IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-02-23

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Shapeshifter	#pyside is silent, so I'm asking here as well:	00:03
Shapeshifter	I'm trying to hack something small for my n900 using pyside. Can anyone give me a hint how to get two of those up/down scrollable areas that contain days and months respectively? I want to to be able to pick a day of the year using those two areas. For example the maemo5 calendar thing uses these. I tried out QDateEdit and while that does what I need, it doesn't look like I want it to look. Do I need to make these myself using menus ...	00:03
Shapeshifter	... or are they readily made somewhere?	00:03
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SpeedEvil	I'll just randomly note that I hate the existing date scroller for its inability to let you pick 'next tuesday' in a sane manner.	00:05
pta0007	i have asked the same question at http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=707013#post707013, whoever has the idea about my problem, please reply¬	00:06
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w00t	Shapeshifter: it's a custom maemo picker widget I think.. hold on	00:14
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w00t	Shapeshifter: http://qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-maemo-4.6/qmaemo5timepickselector.html <-- I think	00:16
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pupnik	do we have a simple ftp "sharing" (uploading) plugin for photos yet?	00:18
zash	port(ed) gnome-user-share?	00:19
Vanadis	sup	00:19
Vanadis	anybody knows, how to change the keyboard layout in dosbox?	00:19
Vanadis	keyb sf (for switzerland) didn't work	00:20
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corecode	great.	00:23
corecode	i botched the screen protector	00:24
corecode	got some fibers on it	00:24
SpeedEvil	Take it off. Wash carefully with soapy clean water.	00:24
SpeedEvil	Dry with a lint free cloth.	00:24
SpeedEvil	Replace.	00:24
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corecode	yea	00:24
corecode	well	00:24
corecode	said cloth	00:25
SpeedEvil	Swear that it's now worse than when you began.	00:25
corecode	yea	00:25
corecode	there is nothing like a lint free cloth	00:25
javispedro	RST38h: ah, get ready for the new vultures to be torpedoed.	00:25
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SpeedEvil	corecode: there actually are	00:25
_andy	is it a zagg?	00:25
corecode	vikuiti	00:25
Arif_	hmmm	00:26
pupnik	seen any audio demo code running on dsp javispedro ?	00:26
_andy	hmm.. zagg's invisishield has a warranty.	00:26
Arif_	am I the only one with no screen protector :P	00:26
javispedro	pupnik: nope, why?	00:26
javispedro	well, I remember dspvorbis, but that was for the n8x0	00:26
pupnik	yea	00:26
corecode	Arif_: no	00:26
Arif_	good	00:26
corecode	Arif_: i don't have any either (yet)	00:27
Arif_	I was beginning to feel lonely	00:27
Arif_	:(	00:27
SpeedEvil	Arif_: I have one as even with the slight issues - I'd rather have it on than have a big scratch on my screen.	00:27
Milo-	hey anyone know if there are any Maemo-specific preprocessor macros when using madde?	00:27
_andy	Arif_: i had my N900 for a month before getting one.. but then I decided i would be devastated if anything happened to it.	00:27
SpeedEvil	Arif_: especially as I can't really afford to replace the device or pay for repairs	00:27
pupnik	javispedro: there is not much in dosbox that is "independent" enough to easily strip out onto another cpu	00:27
Arif_	I have my phone dangling around randomly :D	00:27
Milo-	actually	00:28
Milo-	I think I can check that	00:28
pupnik	maybe something sick like memory controller on gpu ...	00:28
_andy	Arif_: the biggest threat is keys and other stuff in your pocket with the phone. if you have a belt clip or something i wouldn't say a screen protector is neccessary.	00:28
Arif_	I don't have my keys where my phone is	00:29
Arif_	it's somewhere serperate :(	00:29
Arif_	:)	00:29
_andy	:)	00:29
SpeedEvil	I've pondered making my phone my keys.	00:29
SpeedEvil	with a bluetooth unlock thing.	00:30
antii	wth?	00:30
_andy	SpeedEvil: and when your battery dies?	00:30
b-man\|laptop	lol	00:30
SpeedEvil	Solenoid -> small processor -> serial interface -> bluetooth	00:30
Arif_	I wonder if someone will find a way to amplify the speakers somewhat...	00:30
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SpeedEvil	Andy80: backup keypad	00:30
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_andy	SpeedEvil: why bother with the phone at all then..?	00:30
SpeedEvil	_andy: so I don't need to open the door for when carrying stuff.	00:31
antii	_andy: he saved battery on the keypad	00:31
antii	:D	00:31
_andy	hmm.	00:31
Arif_	haha	00:31
_andy	SpeedEvil: wouldn't have bluetooth on all the time drain your battery though..?	00:32
_andy	s/have/having/	00:32
infobot	_andy meant: SpeedEvil: wouldn't having bluetooth on all the time drain your battery though..?	00:32
_andy	thanks infobot.	00:32
infobot	_andy: sure thing	00:32
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SpeedEvil	_andy: predicated on getting 'wake up gps at intervals to maintain lock' and skizzle sorted.	00:33
_andy	hmm.. good idea!	00:34
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* lbt considers the PC of writing "I apologise if you're not actually an idiot :)"		00:34
sivang	what's the deal with all the port scanning and DCC's coming from this channel?	00:34
sivang	and who is Trice ? :)	00:35
Arif_	everyone's a leet haxx0r here?	00:35
sivang	(who initiated all those DoS requests)	00:35
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pupnik	/ignore them	00:35
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_andy	lbt: i don't see anything wrong with it.. although if you're saying something condescending beforehand, THAT might be worth changing :P	00:36
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lbt	_andy: the guy on meego-dev who screenshots to a pixmap to get the screen dimensions...	00:36
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sivang	http://paste.ubuntu.com/381877/	00:37
sivang	^^^^^^	00:37
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sivang	pupnik: I normally do, but my paranoia sometimes creeps in and make me feart the life of my server :)	00:37
sivang	so, what is this channel going to be used for given we have #meego ?	00:37
_andy	lbt: lol i never would have thought of that.	00:37
sivang	heh	00:38
lbt	phew	00:38
SpeedEvil	sivang: organising the orgies.	00:38
lbt	he clearly used to develop for windows.... or gtk	00:38
* b-man\|laptop needs to set a proper title in #meego-dev		00:38
sivang	right	00:38
uhsf	at first i bought protector screen but i couldn't stand the air bubble that formed beneath it so i'm going with raw screen	00:38
sivang	only at windows development you have orgies with marketing girls	00:39
_andy	lol pz out	00:39
SpeedEvil	uhsf: most ofthe bubbles go away after a couple of days	00:39
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sivang	uhsf: ah, life! it happens when you don't expect it :-p	00:39
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SpeedEvil	uhsf: it's only the bubbles with something in - if any - that don't	00:39
sivang	What could be trapped in them? polluted air?	00:40
b-man\|laptop	hmm, i seem to no longer have OP permissions on #meego-dev after i CREATED the channel :P	00:40
SpeedEvil	sivang: dust	00:40
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sivang	ah	00:40
uhsf	dust, but it's microscopic dust that can't be removed by any cloth in existence	00:40
sivang	b-man\|laptop: hmm, do some internal investigations? ;)	00:41
SpeedEvil	uhsf: it can.	00:41
SpeedEvil	uhsf: I've done it before. Just not this time	00:41
sivang	b-man\|laptop: you're the meego admin eh?	00:41
b-man\|laptop	oh, wait, forgot to recognize myself in freenode xD slaps himself with a troute	00:41
sivang	b-man\|laptop: use IRSSI, like real men do.	00:41
sivang	b-man\|laptop: does all that automatically without failure	00:42
sivang	e.g. it's a brute force client :-)	00:42
b-man\|laptop	lol	00:42
sivang	;)	00:42
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sivang	It kills my data plan when I'm running on the N900	00:42
b-man\|laptop	wifi ftw ;)	00:43
SpeedEvil	How complex are a2dp phones to get working?	00:43
uhsf	my theory is the only way to successfully install one of these screen protectors is to be in a white room, wear latex glove and apply the protector at the exact second the original black sticker is removed from the n900 screen fresh from it's box	00:43
sivang	b-man\|laptop: is there an N901 btw?	00:43
sivang	b-man\|laptop: someone on pymaemo mentioned it, and from googling it appears to be a netbook	00:43
SpeedEvil	sivang: no details yet	00:43
SpeedEvil	sivang: that is - to the generic 'will there be an upgrade to n900	00:43
sivang	SpeedEvil: ah, so there is such a device..	00:43
sivang	SpeedEvil: right.	00:43
b-man\|laptop	sivang: not too sure	00:44
corecode	warm soap water	00:44
SpeedEvil	sivang: well - presumably nokia will produce a new n series phone	00:44
corecode	and then just put it on wet	00:44
SpeedEvil	sivang: if it will be running meego is a question	00:44
* sivang wonders if N900 owners will be eligible for the upgrade. the Camera button could use some love from the M97 Mini camera button.		00:44
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sivang	SpeedEvil: I actually thinkg it'd be healthy to have few more Maemo releases before moving completely to MeeGO	00:44
SpeedEvil	sivang: and exact details of construction, launch date, price, ...	00:44
sivang	SpeedEvil: oka	00:45
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SpeedEvil	We don't know.	00:45
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SpeedEvil	The n900 got leaked what - a couple of months in advance?	00:45
sivang	No idea, I only entered the scene with it.	00:45
SpeedEvil	So it's probably safe to say that the next model is at least that down the pipe.	00:45
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sivang	after my dear collegue noted me to the revolution Nokia lead.	00:45
* SpeedEvil has no inside knowledge and doesn't have a n920 sitting on top of his laptop.		00:45
sivang	hehe	00:46
sivang	N920	00:46
sivang	T1000	00:46
sivang	"Lquid Meta'"	00:46
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range	SpeedEvil: So how do you know it's called N920?	00:46
range	>:D	00:46
pupnik	bla bla bla	00:46
lcuk	its not 920	00:46
lcuk	its 1045	00:46
sivang	he was just giving an arbitrary number	00:46
lcuk	pm	00:46
SpeedEvil	range: I also don't have a n99 on top of my laptop.	00:47
sivang	I think it'd use Liquid MEtal	00:47
frals	lcuk: 1145, doh!	00:47
lcuk	wow	00:47
lcuk	you have an evn newer model!	00:47
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sivang	an Uber-Model	00:47
sivang	!	00:47
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sivang	so back to serious stuff, I want to propose to have at least one more release after Maemo6 before moving completely to MeeGo, in my opinion that'll allow development efforts to close ends and be more ready to the merge.	00:48
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ponyofdeath	hey guys what is the diff between openconnect and vpnc?	00:49
sivang	while letting MeeGo do the same.	00:49
SpeedEvil	maemo 6 - the next release - or whateverr it's called - is planned to be qt.	00:49
SpeedEvil	And will carry on for the immediate future, as I understand things.	00:49
SpeedEvil	In parallel with meego.	00:49
SpeedEvil	meego apps will be relatively easily ported to this architecture.	00:50
SpeedEvil	Or even to 5, running Qt	00:50
jebba900	how do you disable things for use on airplanes? Is that what "Offline mode" does?	00:50
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lcuk	yes jebba900	00:50
bennypr0fane	Hello, my N900 just started downloading a huge file (debian image) and i wanted to stop it but didn't know how to. Can somone tell me how to control all the connections it makes, regardless of the application?	00:50
lcuk	but some air stewardesses dont care about status of a flag	00:50
sivang	jebba900: I have "tablet mode"	00:51
lcuk	bennypr0fane, press powerbutton	00:51
lcuk	offline mode ;)	00:51
sivang	lcuk: right, but I like to use wifi on BA/Lufthansa	00:51
SpeedEvil	bennypr0fane: you mean from the browser?	00:51
sivang	so tablet mode is pretty cool for that.	00:51
sivang	bennypr0fane: you can have it ask you everytime it wants to initate a data connection	00:51
sivang	bennypr0fane: so you could selectively approve or disapprove apps	00:52
Vanadis	haha, got a copyright warning after starting tomb raider through dosbox	00:52
lcuk	how did you get floppy disk to stay in?	00:52
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Vanadis	not a floppy	00:52
Vanadis	copied all files to mass memory	00:53
lcuk	that might explain the copyright warning ;)	00:53
corecode	the nokia phone sync didn't sync my text messages	00:53
corecode	:/	00:53
corecode	anybody know if that works via the pc suite?	00:53
Vanadis	lcuk, yep gonna try mounting an iso of the game	00:53
sivang	corecode: make sure the other device support the Phone move	00:53
corecode	or, better, with some linux program?	00:53
lcuk	lol Vanadis	00:53
Vanadis	give me another hour and it will work	00:53
corecode	sivang: e51	00:53
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sivang	corecode: I don't know by heart, you'd have to google and findout.	00:53
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lcuk	im pulling your chain, i dunno how that should be handled	00:54
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bennypr0fane	sivang actually, i did press the power button, but i was hoping there was a more elegeant method	00:54
corecode	hmm	00:54
sivang	bennypr0fane: you can configure another button to call in the menu or create a shortcut on the desktop for that to fire the right dbus event to enable tablet mode.	00:54
corecode	what about ovi maps? i heard they support offline storage	00:54
sivang	bennypr0fane: but that would require some research to find out which object with what message to send to which app	00:55
sivang	corecode: it works for me, unfortunately, for Israel the maps are very poor.	00:55
sivang	corecode: so I use a local program called waze.	00:55
sivang	corecode: http://world.waze.com/	00:55
sivang	corecode: and I'm working on porting this to maemo as we speak.	00:55
Shapeshifter	w00t: thanks. that one worked.	00:56
bennypr0fane	sivang i started the debian image installer and after asking me where to put the image file, it started downloading it right away. i didn't want that because i already had the file, so i wanted to stop the download. couldn't it be killed from x-terminal with a simple command?	00:56
sivang	corecode: N97 mini and N900 sync pretty good with the built in syc program	00:56
jebba900	thx lcuk	00:56
sivang	bennypr0fane: it could	00:56
Shapeshifter	Any clues what libalarm does when provided with a monthly recurring event that happens on a 31st or so? what happens next month? will it execute on a 30th or not at all or what?	00:57
bennypr0fane	do you happen to know the command?	00:57
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lcuk	jebba900, how much of the repo have you built?	00:57
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lcuk	is everything there now?	00:57
sivang	bennypr0fane: ps ax \| grep "${downlaod process name}" \| cut -d " " -f 1 \| xargs \| kill -9 ?	00:57
sivang	bennypr0fane: -f1, that is	00:58
corecode	did anybody manage to download the ovi maps without pc suite?	00:58
bennypr0fane	sivang yowsa, that's a long one	00:58
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sivang	bennypr0fane: -f2, actually (there's a space at the start)	00:58
lcuk	Shapeshifter, i dunno	00:58
lcuk	test it?	00:59
lcuk	b-man17,	00:59
lcuk	hi	00:59
sivang	bennypr0fane: can you find out what sort of process is used for the download? is it the app manager?	00:59
b-man17	hey lcuk :)	00:59
Vanadis	okay	00:59
Vanadis	got the Tomb Raider Demo Running	00:59
sivang	bennypr0fane: you might need to 'sudo gainroot' before though	00:59
sivang	bennypr0fane: if it is the browser then you want to grep for "microb"	01:00
jebba900	lcuk which repo? I rebuilt all of debian etch that had all the dependencies.	01:00
sivang	anyway, back to waze porting.	01:00
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Vanadis	has about 2 FPS	01:00
lcuk	nice	01:01
Vanadis	gonna optimize the dosbox settings a little bit	01:01
Vanadis	biggest problem is the keyboard layout	01:01
lcuk	jebba900, how long did it take you to do extras? how much space does it occupy?	01:01
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sivang	bennypr0fane: let me know how you manage	01:02
lcuk	(the bits that worked)	01:02
bennypr0fane	sivang hmm, not sure. what i wanted to do is install easy debian. first i downloaded the image file on my desktop and copied it to the n900, but wrong location. then i started debian image installer, which was supposed to recognize the image file, but didn't, because it wasn't under MyDocs. So it did like the file wasn't there and just started downloading it, I don't know by which process exactly though	01:02
sivang	bennypr0fane: probably what ever easy deiban uses for the download, could it be wget?	01:03
* sivang checks		01:03
bennypr0fane	yes, i guess wget	01:03
jebba900	lcuk i didnt rebuild extras. IIRC extras takes about 3.2G	01:03
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bennypr0fane	there was a wget logfile	01:03
lcuk	AHHH I TOHUGHT I SAW SOMEWHERE YOU DID, NM	01:04
jebba900	the etch repo is like 9G (again iirc)	01:04
lcuk	INFACT I GOT A PING FROM GOOGLE SAYING ONE OF MY PACKAGES APPEARED ON YOUR REPO :P	01:04
lcuk	arghhh	01:04
lcuk	-caps	01:04
jebba900	lcuk i just mirror extras*	01:04
sivang	so , easy debian is a maemo specific tool to have debian in the tablets?	01:05
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javispedro	LCUK ANGRY! LCUK SMASH! LCUK GET REVENGE ON WORLD! ;)	01:05
lcuk	lol	01:05
lcuk	lcuk got laptop keyboard on knee and looks at screen when typing	01:05
bennypr0fane	sivang yes it is	01:05
lcuk	shame it was wrong bit	01:05
sivang	bennypr0fane: I think I recall that was a general tool, not tied to Maemo	01:06
lcuk	javispedro, can i use that quote tho	01:06
bennypr0fane	http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian	01:06
sivang	bennypr0fane: to install non debbed stuff onto debian boxes, hmm, too many communities :)	01:06
lcuk	i actually heard it in cartoon voice	01:06
javispedro	lcuk: I loved that part :)	01:06
sivang	bennypr0fane: let me check that for you, but if it is really wget, then just grep "wget" in the respective place will do the job	01:07
javispedro	s/part/entire episode	01:07
* sivang fires scratchbox		01:07
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sivang	hehe	01:08
pupnik	awesome xckd! http://xkcd.com/702	01:08
sivang	crap, I erased scratchbox as it ate my disk space.	01:08
lcuk	todays is uber classeh	01:08
* sivang fetches the source packages of easy-deb-whatever		01:08
bennypr0fane	sivang i guess switching off the power killed this download for good, i just wanted to know whether there was another way of keeping my tablet's actions in check....	01:08
lcuk	bennypr0fane,	01:09
sivang	bennypr0fane: easy debia would not obey to any desktop policy anyways	01:09
lcuk	are you using 3g data	01:09
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bennypr0fane	lcuk me?	01:09
lcuk	yes	01:09
bennypr0fane	wifi	01:09
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* lcuk never checked		01:10
* sivang is going to setup a new scratchbox/QT/MeeGo/Maemo devel machien with 320GB space.		01:10
lcuk	do the download counters work for all interfaces	01:10
sivang	lcuk: works only for 3G	01:10
sivang	lcuk: for me , that is.	01:10
sivang	lcuk: I only care when I'm draining my 3G subsc. so that's cool	01:10
Vanadis	with 48mb of ram and max cpu cycles, tomb raider still has just 2 FPS	01:11
aep	hm. battery starts to fail already after 3 weeks. it lasted 1 day when it was new. now only 1-2 hours	01:11
sivang	what'll happen if I set a password for user?	01:11
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lcuk	Vanadis, how fast does it play on iphone?	01:11
sivang	aep: N900 ?	01:11
aep	yeah	01:11
sivang	aep: 3-3.5 hours here.	01:11
sivang	aep: almost full day when was new, yes.	01:11
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javispedro	Vanadis: Tomb Raider is a 3D GAME?	01:12
lcuk	aep, most likely not the battery, but the apps	01:12
aep	right, thanks for confirming	01:12
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Vanadis	lcuk, dunno	01:12
sivang	aep: and in full load (e.g. using it as a desktop through a 1.5 hours train trip) I end up with no battery when I drop off the train.	01:12
aep	lcuk: nope. i have less on it then i had when it was new	01:12
Vanadis	javispedro, yes...and?	01:12
sivang	aep: check facebook widget, weather etc	01:12
javispedro	Vanadis: you're crazy. this is at most 286/386 performance.	01:12
aep	all i have is contaxts widgets	01:13
lcuk	aep, pastebin ps list	01:13
aep	yo	01:13
lcuk	or powertop	01:13
SpeedEvil	But bounce works! :)	01:13
lcuk	or something	01:13
aep	powertop, right	01:13
sivang	aep: they eat cycles for checking presearnce and msgs	01:13
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aep	sivang: yes but they did from day one	01:13
sivang	aep: hmm	01:13
* lcuk should get a little bit of coding done today		01:13
Vanadis	javispedro, yes...and?	01:14
sivang	lcuk: I also thought that, but seems it is not going to happen ;)	01:14
aep	battery started to fail this week, and i didnt change anything in that time	01:14
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sivang	aep: so it might have sustained some physical damage or electrical shock?	01:14
lcuk	sivang, whats not gonna happen?	01:14
sivang	lcuk: coding :-)	01:14
javispedro	Vanadis: nothing, nothing at all.	01:14
lcuk	:)	01:14
sivang	lcuk: morning started with administrative of the company in the making.	01:14
aep	sivang: i had it in my flat all the time.. didnt move. the only thing i ever done with it was calling	01:14
sivang	aep: GSM or else?	01:14
sivang	lcuk: after which I fought with ISP and adsl providers	01:15
sivang	lcuk: then talking to the lawyer for 2 hours	01:15
aep	sivang: no clue. it says 2.5G there	01:15
lcuk	sivang, i know	01:15
sivang	lcuk: :)	01:15
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lcuk	i got an email a couple of hours ao that delayed me	01:15
bennypr0fane	sivang "easy debian would not obey to any desktop policy anyways" I'm not sure what this means. Why desktop policy? Shouldn't it be possible to be in control without any specific kind of policy that says so? Sorry for my ignorance, i'm just a regular user...	01:15
aep	aah. i know what i changed. from WEP to WPA	01:15
lcuk	aep :)	01:16
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sivang	bennypr0fane: you have a good claim, but I don't know enough the low levels to answer	01:16
sivang	anybody else?	01:16
sivang	is there a low level network monitor to alert before network traffic is xfered ?	01:16
sivang	that is app and ui agnositc?	01:17
Vanadis	cu	01:17
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sivang	aep: oooo	01:17
sivang	aep: that even kills my HP Mini 311c	01:17
aep	hmm. the cpu doesnt go lower then C2 anymore	01:17
sivang	aep: and it's a full blown netbook!	01:17
aep	sivang: seriously?	01:17
sivang	aep: as hell :/	01:18
aep	i didnt know wpa is that power hungry	01:18
aep	C1 \| 98.5% \| 103.3ms \| 550 MHz \| 0.0% \|	01:18
aep	C2 \| 0.0% \| 0.1ms \| 500 MHz \| 100.0% \|	01:18
aep	huh?	01:18
sivang	aep: so I now use MAC address filtering no encryption	01:18
sivang	aep: dude, that's not it, something is eating one of your cores.	01:18
aep	yeah	01:18
aep	but what	01:18
sivang	top ?	01:18
trem	nite all, sweet dreams	01:18
aep	nothing there. other then top	01:18
sivang	nite trem	01:18
aep	cpu is idle, but doesnt go down to C2...	01:19
* sivang sshs to his tablet to compare		01:19
* Arif_ made köfte today :D		01:19
sivang	Arif_: that's an achivement, I barely had time to cook.	01:20
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Arif_	aw	01:20
jacekowski	aep: where these power states came from?	01:20
aep	powertop	01:20
Arif_	what were you so busy with	01:20
sivang	Arif_: administrativa :/	01:20
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Arif_	sounds exciting!	01:20
sivang	Arif_: infrasturcure, paperwork, lawyer	01:20
sivang	Arif_: :)	01:21
Arif_	hehe	01:21
jacekowski	on PC i would say that ACPI is messed up	01:21
* Arif_ is still a student :P		01:21
aep	jacekowski: yeah, my thought	01:21
sivang	Arif_: cherish the time :)	01:21
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aep	but i didnt upgrade or anything. just restart once	01:21
lcuk	aep pastebin entire powertop	01:21
aep	maybe i'll just reboot again	01:21
jacekowski	but afaik there is no acpi on maemo	01:21
SpeedEvil	acpi is a PCism	01:21
Arif_	I see the channel is talking in a weird language again	01:22
Arif_	=)	01:22
aep	lcuk: http://codepad.org/pxvvc3q4	01:22
lcuk	thx	01:22
jacekowski	mhm	01:22
jacekowski	lot of interrupts	01:23
aep	where? :D	01:23
aep	ah	01:23
jacekowski	56 \| 2816 \| INTC \| i2c_omap	01:23
jacekowski	3k over 30s	01:23
Arif_	has anyone hacked the sound output so you can actually hear movies ? :P	01:23
aep	whatever the heck that is	01:23
SpeedEvil	Arif_: is it carging/	01:24
jacekowski	Arif_: it works on mine	01:24
SpeedEvil	charging	01:24
Arif_	no	01:24
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pupnik	its' lazer	01:24
jacekowski	and that remind me of thing i've noticed	01:24
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bennypr0fane	good night everyone, thanks for sharing	01:24
Arif_	it's just too quiet to watch movies	01:24
Arif_	={	01:24
jacekowski	FM transmission quality is much worse while phone is connected to in car charger	01:24
SpeedEvil	Arif_: headphones	01:24
sivang	Arif_: headphones?	01:24
jacekowski	Arif_: i've noticed that problem	01:25
jacekowski	Arif_: using that bar in tray make volume little bit lower	01:25
Arif_	headphones aren't very shareable!~	01:25
jacekowski	Arif_: and then go back	01:25
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sivang	hmm, I have roughly the same amount of i2c_omap and mine is connected to USB and charging.	01:25
lcuk	aep, i gather you have rebooted often in the past	01:25
Arif_	jacekowski, hmm	01:25
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aep	lcuk: yes	01:25
lcuk	ie this isnt a one off	01:25
aep	i am just trying again	01:26
sivang	is it wrong to reboot alot ?	01:26
Shapeshifter	Does someone know if it's possible to have the currently selected element of a QComboBox displayed below the button, just like with date and time pickers?	01:26
sivang	I've done it as well, since the ported program still causes lots of hangups	01:26
lcuk	aep how many contacts have you got and how often do yo uwork with them	01:26
aep	lcuk: umm.. like.. alo.	01:26
aep	*alot	01:26
aep	dunno. 300 maybe	01:26
* Arif_ considers placing the N95 speakers in the N900 :D		01:26
aep	and quite frequently. phone, im, etc	01:27
sivang	same here.	01:27
aep	i mean.. thats what the thing is for :D	01:27
lcuk	ofc	01:27
sivang	You'd reckon there'd be a way to count the number of contacts.	01:27
lcuk	do you have gps enabled	01:27
sivang	My contacts apps started to coredump, but I couldn't reproduce.	01:27
sivang	aep: have you upgraded to latest maemo?	01:27
sivang	aep: I am still stuck with the "no enough room on target device"	01:28
sivang	aep: and didn't have time to fix that yet to fetch latest update.	01:28
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aep	humm. i might not. let me double check	01:28
lcuk	sivang, theres documentation about clearing space around	01:28
lcuk	i havent got it to hand tho	01:28
aep	i am always a little afraid of firmware updates	01:28
sivang	lcuk: yes, but according to docs, it is not space	01:28
aep	nokia phones have a tendency to get worse each update	01:29
sivang	lcuk: but is ireported as lack opf space	01:29
sivang	aep: Nokia is dogfooding us, that's all :)	01:29
lcuk	:)	01:29
sivang	aep: which I welcome for my QA work	01:29
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sivang	and I welcomed when doing stuff for canonical and launchpad and ubuntu	01:29
sivang	eating dog food make you rough, or wuf :)	01:30
sivang	makes	01:30
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lcuk	microsoft get i ntrouble for not eating their own	01:30
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sivang	is there a pc suite for linux btw?	01:33
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sivang	I didn't get any CD for windows, so didn't thnk there's a suite	01:33
sivang	but when I use plug it, it asks if to run in suite mode.	01:34
Arif_	PC suite is useless anyway	01:34
Arif_	why would you want it	01:34
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sivang	Arif_: don't know, what does it do?	01:34
Arif_	manage your phone data on the PC	01:34
Arif_	basically	01:34
sivang	Arif_: besodes for software/firmware updates that happens through ethernet ?	01:34
sivang	in N900, that is	01:34
Arif_	PC suite doesn't do software updates	01:35
sivang	(for SYmbianish boxes you do need it right?)	01:35
sivang	^^^^^	01:35
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Arif_	I only have it installed to install programs on my N95 the lazy way	01:35
Arif_	:D	01:35
Arif_	oh and it's used to tether nokia phones	01:35
Arif_	that's pretty useful too	01:35
sivang	Arif_: tether ?	01:35
Arif_	use phone as a PC modem	01:36
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sivang	Arif_: ah right, ive' tried this with 900 but failed, using bluetooth it said there's no network sharing service on the phone	01:36
Arif_	you can try joikuspot	01:36
sivang	Arif_: Does it work in linux ?	01:36
Arif_	no	01:36
aep	err .... "To update your device to this version ... you must use the Nokia software update application on your PC"	01:36
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sivang	Arif_: ^^^^^^	01:37
sivang	Arif_: see aep	01:37
Arif_	PC suite is a different app from software updater :P	01:37
aep	and i bet its windows only	01:37
Arif_	it is!	01:37
sivang	in docs of symbianish machine	01:37
sivang	it si the same	01:37
sivang	e.g. part of the suite	01:37
aep	awesome. so no update for me	01:37
sivang	at least so the docs say	01:37
Arif_	nah	01:37
ptl	wow	01:37
Arif_	you can install software updater standalone	01:37
ptl	just used xdpyinfo on my N900	01:37
Arif_	no need for pc suite	01:37
sivang	ptl: ?	01:38
ptl	it says my screen is 211x127 mm	01:38
sivang	Arif_: in windows yes?	01:38
ptl	what a lie!	01:38
Arif_	yes	01:38
Arif_	only windows versions are available	01:38
ptl	screen #0: dimensions: 800x480 pixels (211x127 millimeters) resolution: 96x96 dots per inch	01:38
sivang	ptl: right, so there was a lot of issues with it when creating the ubuntu auto x/screen configurator	01:38
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* Arif_ thinks PC suite is useless anyway...no one's missing out :D		01:38
sivang	so we just need to have a software updater program for N<900 on linux	01:39
cehteh	xchat still works for everyone? :)	01:39
sivang	I wonder how hard that would be to make.	01:39
* sivang uses IRSSI		01:39
ptl	I'll have to get something in place of PC suite when I start synchronizing contacts to my Ubuntu	01:39
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ptl	I didn't take the time yet	01:39
Arif_	why would you want it	01:39
Arif_	n900 updates over the air anyway	01:39
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ptl	I dunno. Because everybody uses it, I think	01:39
sivang	Arif_: N<900	01:39
Arif_	oh	01:40
Arif_	right	01:40
aep	so there do i get this update application thing from?	01:40
Arif_	recent symbian phones have OTA updates too	01:40
sivang	I don't want to install windows just to update Symbian	01:40
shamus	hum i think i confused the aplcation manager on os2008 asz i was trying to install evince and the backlight off kicked in and the bar stoped moving	01:40
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sivang	aep: app manger will offer it	01:40
Arif_	get a new phone ! ;P	01:40
sivang	aep: what version of the maemo task are you at?	01:40
sivang	guys, it is a task right?	01:41
aep	whats a task?	01:41
sivang	(in tasksel terms)	01:41
sivang	or dselect	01:41
sivang	or is it a meta-pkg ?	01:41
aep	i'm using this crappy gui	01:41
sivang	wait a sec	01:41
shamus	is it a bad idea to force quit the aplication installer if it hangs?	01:42
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sivang	aep: what's your version?	01:42
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sivang	shamus: not that I'd think of	01:42
aep	no clue. how do i find out?	01:42
sivang	aep: settings	01:42
aep	ah	01:42
sivang	aep: about product	01:43
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sivang	I am at 2.2009.51-1	01:43
sivang	since my update filed	01:43
aep	2.2009.51-1.002	01:43
sivang	failed	01:43
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ptl	do you guys also have this responsiveness issue with PR 1.1.1? I don't	01:43
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* Arif_ 's on 20100208		01:44
pupnik	which resp issue	01:44
sivang	btw, is there a way to get rtcomm-call-ui source code for some bug fixing?	01:44
sivang	turning control is so scrambled	01:44
sivang	makes a living hell to use calls and contacts	01:44
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ptl	pupnik: some people are saying on some maemo list that after PR 1.1.1 maemo swaps too much or something like that	01:45
aep	sivang: true	01:45
Arif_	there's no portrait mode anyway	01:45
Arif_	:P	01:45
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sivang	come to think and talk about it, how do I join intense QA efforts with maemo/MeeGo?	01:45
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juke_	how can i get statut of a connection with conic ?	01:46
sivang	I feel QA needs some leadership and community stimulation	01:46
aep	umm what. disk full?	01:46
pupnik	by not flooding this chan with fluff	01:46
sivang	aep: right	01:46
jebba900	sivang check the bug squad	01:46
sivang	aep: fetching you the link, just a sec	01:46
aep	oh come on, who invented THAT	01:46
jebba900	#maemo-bugs sivang	01:47
sivang	jebba900: bug squad does testing?	01:47
shamus	eep rescuing software update	01:47
sivang	jebba900: they do triage instead, after the bugs are reported	01:47
sivang	jebba900: we need more bugs reported	01:47
jebba900	yes	01:47
sivang	and make them more quality	01:47
sivang	so get "user stories" in agile terminology	01:47
sivang	and convert to bugs	01:47
sivang	for that we have to have an online place to file those stories and someone to extract bug data from	01:47
jebba900	well, you could just then report more bugs, or even better fix them	01:48
Arif_	I'm waiting for my reported bug to get fixed	01:48
Arif_	;p	01:48
sivang	jebba900: but rtcomm-call-gui is closed no?	01:48
jebba900	no sure offhand. i think it is closed tho	01:48
jebba900	you could petition for it to be opened	01:48
shamus	yay the tablit lives	01:49
sivang	jebba900: for example, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8747	01:49
povbot	Bug 8747: Ringing tone selector crashes Settings application	01:49
sivang	but more will come :)	01:49
sivang	once I get with stupid administrative	01:49
sivang	get done, that is	01:50
sivang	jebba900: it's been internal for a while now	01:50
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jebba900	you could strace the app, which may give hints	01:52
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sivang	jebba900: tried that and go ENOMEM ;)	01:53
sivang	jebba900: I shold free some space I guess	01:53
aep	well 200mb on / ... nice. can i fix that, or is it some phsysical limitation?	01:53
sivang	jebba900: for swap, that is	01:53
ptl	zephyr HxM device costs US$ 120 + US$ 40 for shipping and handling. Does anyone have it?	01:53
ptl	(for ecoach)	01:53
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sivang	aep: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9089	01:54
povbot	Bug 9089: Upgrading Maemo itself (nokia official recommended upgrade) failed with "no enough space" on target device.	01:54
aep	thanks	01:54
Arif_	that's a bug now?	01:54
jebba900	new xchat out it looks	01:54
ptl	jebba900: yes, I upgraded!	01:54
jebba900	ciao	01:54
jebba900	gotta turn off fone...... later	01:54
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ptl	l8r	01:55
sivang	Arif_: I re-opened	01:55
sivang	Arif_: ;)	01:55
Arif_	were you closed? :P	01:55
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sivang	Arif_: I was, but see my comments	01:55
sivang	Arif_: they haven't closed it just yet.	01:56
aep	sivang: well there is no solution posted	01:56
sivang	Arif_: being comitted to QA, I have no choice but to be a party crasher.	01:56
Arif_	hmm	01:57
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sivang	Arif_: even if it means nagging on usability issues.	01:57
sivang	which to the developer oriented seems nitpicking	01:57
sivang	or "might seem" :)	01:57
Arif_	why can't they just download the fw to 2GB?	01:57
Arif_	:p	01:57
sivang	interesting question	01:57
sivang	care to comment that on the bug report?	01:58
Arif_	no	01:58
Arif_	as I dont' know what I'm talking about	01:58
Arif_	=)	01:58
sivang	me neither, but - that gets us answers	01:58
sivang	;)	01:58
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sivang	Arif_: my hunch that the firmware upgrade needs to expanded on the /usr to be copied onto the DOC	01:59
lcuk	nahh sivang best way to get answers is to ask intelligent questions :)	01:59
sivang	lcuk: true true :) I was kidding	01:59
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sivang	Arif_: to the boot area of the doc, that is	01:59
Arif_	mh	01:59
Arif_	I had no problems with the update with deafult ish settings	01:59
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Arif_	so stop playing around with the phone too much!	01:59
Arif_	:P	01:59
sivang	I can't. I am possesed :)	01:59
sivang	I wil not rest until we've suprassed iPhone.	02:00
aep	yeah, windows style. dont use it and it wont break	02:00
lcuk	:)	02:00
sivang	*surprassed	02:00
sivang	or whatever that's spelled	02:00
Arif_	you'll never get 10 000 fart apps	02:00
Arif_	stop trying	02:00
Arif_	=D	02:00
sivang	and my hunch is that this situation is handled gracefully	02:00
sivang	in iPhone, but my iPhone hasn;t arrived yet so I couldn't check.	02:01
Arif_	why would you want an iPhone	02:01
sivang	for tearing down , testing and specification extraction to N900	02:01
aep	i guess i'll just wait then. maybe some dev gets annoyed enough to fix it	02:01
sivang	or N9XX / MeeGo	02:01
Arif_	I was going for android	02:01
lcuk	fix what?	02:01
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Arif_	but I couldn't stream live tv	02:02
Arif_	:P	02:02
aep	or hm.. i wonder if i could just roll my own fixed kernel. you need to flash the kernel dont you? not as easy as on pc	02:02
sivang	Arif_: I used to work for ChipPC, and the owner and Director of R&D taught me some nice lessons.	02:02
lcuk	aep, fixes what	02:02
lcuk	your power problem	02:02
lcuk	or the download	02:02
aep	i have lots of problems. the phone is basicly unusable	02:02
Arif_	sivang, what lessons? :O	02:02
aep	power is one problem that could be fixed easily manually, yes	02:02
Arif_	"don't buy rotten apples"?	02:03
jacekowski	don't buy apple	02:03
ptl	x11-utils was not available through application manager, I had to install it via apt-get	02:03
sivang	Arif_: when you want to beat competition, learn as much as you can from them.	02:03
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Arif_	buy me one too	02:03
sivang	Arif_: http://www.chippc.com/company/index.asp?p=3934805141 , I was on the userland for Thinx OS	02:03
Arif_	I'll help you research	02:03
Arif_	xD	02:03
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sivang	Arif_: hehe ;)	02:03
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sivang	Arif_: It is very hard to explain the stores that I don't want a line and data plan and whatnot.	02:04
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sivang	as I already have enough sims to put in	02:04
N900evil	ok - this is silly. anyone heard anymore about uk firmware	02:04
Arif_	iPhone is an overpriced toy =)	02:04
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sivang	Arif_: and has a microkernel!	02:04
ptl	do you guys use any case for the N900?	02:05
aep	it can make calls apparantly :P	02:05
Arif_	a whatnow	02:05
aep	unlike the n900	02:05
ptl	or rubber ones	02:05
sivang	aep: only that :)	02:05
ptl	hard cases	02:05
Arif_	aep, they sold you an N800 for €600	02:05
Arif_	:P	02:05
aep	nah. just a broken n900 i guess.	02:05
Arif_	mine makes phonecalls over skype sip and gsm	02:06
Arif_	it'd be nice if MSN could do that too	02:06
aep	yeah sip works. gsm fails	02:06
sivang	ptl: it is actually quite a resistive box, although the scratches are getting high in numbers :)	02:06
Arif_	why don't you get a replacement	02:06
aep	at least sip works. first nokia that can do sip relyable :D	02:06
ptl	sivang: so you don't use...	02:06
lcuk	eap what g network does it find	02:06
lcuk	and signal strength etc	02:06
sivang	ptl: nahh, scratches add charachter to it	02:06
aep	Arif_: because i got it from the US, and nokia germany doesnt take it back	02:06
sivang	ptl: I don't	02:06
ptl	lol	02:06
Arif_	stop buying outside your country !	02:07
sivang	ptl: I will get something only I havve to do it from ebay or so	02:07
aep	Arif_: it finds the network. GPRS works just fine. phone app crashes	02:07
sivang	ptl: since N900 nor N97 MIni are official here.	02:07
sivang	ptl: (Israel)	02:07
lcuk	ptl damn so thats why - its using all the power connecting to cells in the us!	02:07
ptl	aep: in my country, there are laws that force Nokia Brasil to take responsibility for any device I bought from Nokia around the world	02:07
aep	ptl: really? maybe in mine too	02:07
lcuk	errr aep sorrt	02:07
Arif_	have you tried reflashing it?	02:08
aep	lcuk: sorry?	02:08
aep	Arif_: with what? the tools are windows only	02:08
Arif_	no they're not	02:08
Arif_	not for N900	02:08
* sivang lughs when trying to explain the 19 year old female rep why he doesn't need the 32GB iPhone		02:08
lcuk	your phone is connecting to us cell towers!	02:08
aep	really? cool	02:08
sivang	*laughs	02:08
ptl	In 1999 I broke the screen of my Palm Pilot... And as Palm Brasil didn't have technical assistance for it, I just got a new device	02:08
lcuk	and linux flasher is easily available	02:08
* aep googles		02:08
lcuk	~flashing	02:08
infobot	methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	02:08
Arif_	N900 has loonix flasher	02:08
aep	thanks	02:08
sivang	hehe, "methinks"	02:09
aep	can i flash old firmwares?	02:09
Arif_	...	02:09
Arif_	no idea	02:09
aep	or is it locked for drm or something	02:09
Arif_	why would you	02:09
sivang	infobot was on the cast of Little Britian ?	02:09
lcuk	aep, you can try	02:09
Arif_	just go with 2010 02 08	02:09
aep	because i want to try the new firmware, but if it is worse, i want to go back	02:09
lcuk	dont expect compatability with your data tho	02:09
lcuk	flash with == to now	02:09
Arif_	sell the N900 on eBay :P	02:09
lcuk	then >= now	02:09
aep	Arif_: and back to symbian? no thanks :D	02:10
Arif_	no	02:10
Arif_	buy one in Germanland	02:10
aep	they have a broken keyboard layout	02:10
Arif_	you should be more proud of your country's language!	02:10
* Arif_ wants a Turkish keyboard layout		02:11
sivang	symbian could be a breeze after some maemo bug reporting :)	02:11
sivang	I happen to like it alot.	02:11
sivang	and I've known it since I was a teenager ;)	02:11
Arif_	symbian is cool	02:11
Arif_	it's so easy to use	02:11
sivang	it is, seriously	02:11
aep	can i some sort of backup my data? without the windows tools?	02:12
Arif_	yes	02:12
aep	maybe to flash card	02:12
Lumpio-	Don't get me started on Symbian	02:12
Arif_	you can make a backup on the phone	02:12
aep	hm cool	02:12
* Arif_ hands Lumpio- a symbian phone		02:12
Lumpio-	I already have one.	02:12
lcuk	aep the phone memory is in 2 halves, when you reflash normally, the ~30gb is not touched	02:12
arachnist	http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/ <\| lol	02:13
lcuk	that is only rewritten when you flash the eMMC	02:13
sivang	lcuk: so there's a rollback there?	02:13
aep	lcuk: ah. you said data is lost	02:13
lcuk	/home/user vanishes	02:13
lcuk	/home/user/MyDocs is on a different partition	02:13
aep	ah that i can backup ov3er ssh	02:13
lcuk	this is where the data from "backup" is stored	02:13
* Arif_ still isn't used to loonix :D		02:13
aep	i was worried about my contacts	02:14
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sivang	man, facebook's captchs are getting harder and harder to read.	02:15
sivang	aep: contacts are saved in the backup, IIRC	02:16
* Arif_ is too lonely to have facebook :'(		02:16
openstandards	how long are getting on your battery life mine seems to be dying within hours	02:16
Arif_	I get 2 days	02:16
Arif_	on average	02:16
sivang	openstandards: as said before, same here.	02:16
dassu	I get 1 day	02:16
ptl	orkut is much better than facebook	02:16
aep	openstandards: since recently, or since you got it?	02:16
pupnik	always within 5 to 25 hours	02:17
ptl	openstandards: I use my cellphone all the time, so it doesn't last a day	02:17
sivang	ptl: true, but the only israeli brazilian girl I Know there doesn't repond to my msgs	02:17
openstandards	aep, both but seems worst these days	02:17
Arif_	sivang, she's playing hard to get!	02:17
lcuk	i last took my devices off charge last night	02:17
sivang	Arif_: nahh, she's just ignoring.	02:17
Arif_	aww	02:17
Arif_	find her and hit her!	02:17
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ptl	sivang: try using testimonials, brazilian people use that for private messages :P	02:18
openstandards	went into to work at 5:30 with it charged by 11 it was dead	02:18
Arif_	wow	02:18
Arif_	what are you doing with it	02:18
openstandards	might be cos i had some windows open but nothing major	02:18
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lcuk	my batteries are still nearly full	02:19
openstandards	2 windows and connected via 3g	02:19
Arif_	wifi/3g is the biggest battery drain	02:19
Arif_	:D	02:19
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sp3000	those darned intarwebs	02:19
openstandards	i do keep mine constantly connected to the net :)	02:19
Arif_	I really hope they'll add disconnect on no data usage soon	02:20
cehteh	opengl (games) are the biggiest battery drain	02:20
ptl	does 3G drain more than the GPS?	02:20
Arif_	I have to manually disconnect everytiem I'm done	02:20
Arif_	XD	02:20
cehteh	well better all at once	02:20
openstandards	i hope they sort out the codec bug sometime soon	02:20
openstandards	thats highly annoying	02:20
Arif_	yeah	02:20
cehteh	run quake arena online over 3g	02:20
Arif_	they should add TS support	02:20
Arif_	cehteh, and share your location wtih GPS?	02:21
openstandards	you play a file with a missing codec.... go back and play another with the right codec however it refuses to work	02:21
Arif_	hmm	02:21
Arif_	I should try that	02:21
Arif_	wait	02:21
Arif_	I did	02:21
Arif_	and I coudln't reproduce it	02:21
sivang	and the box heats like a small microwave when it 3g's/wifi's	02:21
Arif_	but maybe that's becasue it was a stream	02:21
cehteh	Arif_: use gps to control quake :P	02:22
openstandards	Arif_, music or video	02:22
Arif_	video	02:22
sivang	openstandards: ogg/oga codecs not indexed in media player?	02:22
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Arif_	a TS muxed stream with H264 video and MPEG4 audio	02:22
Arif_	it didn't play ={	02:22
Arif_	KMPlayer plays it after 5 hours of buffering :P	02:22
sivang	kmplayer is oodd	02:23
openstandards	sivang, i think its h264, not sure it was a downloaded file so not sure what it was encoded with	02:23
sivang	odd	02:23
felipec	sivang: not unless you have the ogg package	02:23
sivang	felipec: I Have them	02:23
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sivang	felipec: still no media shows inthe player	02:23
Arif_	try tracker-processes -r in the terminal	02:23
Arif_	and then star the media player?	02:23
sivang	felipec: and mime association is broken as well, as in I have to "open-with" and choose "Media Player (extended codecs)	02:23
sivang	"	02:23
sivang	felipec: instead of "Media Player"	02:23
sivang	felipec: drives me crazy since all my english deperation songs are in ogg/oga	02:24
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Arif_	stop using weird audio formats!	02:24
sivang	like, open ones?? ;)	02:24
sivang	I am using ogg since its day one	02:24
Arif_	yes	02:24
Arif_	use MP3!	02:24
Arif_	or eAAC+!	02:25
* ptl also likes ogg and ogm		02:25
sivang	oh dear	02:25
ptl	use encrypted wmv's!!! :P	02:25
sivang	hehe	02:25
Arif_	real adio ftw!	02:25
openstandards	yuck wmv.....wma :)	02:25
* sivang gives ptl a glass of water		02:25
openstandards	what do you think of the news that google are looking to buy a video codec company	02:26
Arif_	real networks?	02:26
sivang	openstandards: they have too much money on their hands?	02:26
Arif_	I can take their money	02:26
Arif_	=P	02:26
* sivang thinks he should tell google to "buy" ogg, as in invest money in its advancement and develop,ent		02:26
openstandards	sivang, its suppose to be a better file format than h264	02:27
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sivang	Arif_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/381933/	02:27
Arif_	now start the media player	02:28
openstandards	http://www.breakitdownblog.com/google-finalizes-on2-video-codec-company-acquisition/ sivang :)	02:28
sivang	openstandards: hmm, interesting	02:29
sivang	openstandards: hahah!	02:29
sivang	this is the first time I see it.	02:29
sivang	okay, so google aren't that evil I guess :)	02:29
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openstandards	i only saw it on digg the other day when reading about html 5	02:30
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sivang	I was thinking that they would opt to buy some other prop. codec company	02:30
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sivang	but I see they've done the right decision	02:30
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openstandards	yay for net splits :)	02:30
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sivang	yeah :/	02:30
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arachnist	thank you for flying freenode	02:30
ShadowJK	Well it's one of the codecs flash uses	02:30
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openstandards	first time i've seen a net split on freenode	02:31
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ShadowJK	and theora is based on on2.com's vp3. Maybe they wanted the theora patents ;-)	02:31
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sivang	openstandards: I've seen almost hunderds of them by now	02:31
openstandards	how much do you know about on2.com codec?	02:32
sivang	openstandards: who me?	02:32
* ShadowJK shrugs		02:32
openstandards	ShadowJK, :)	02:32
ShadowJK	vp3, vp6 and theora decoder implementations in ffmpeg anyway	02:32
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openstandards	i hope this is the case because we do need html 5 to be as powerful as it can be	02:34
ShadowJK	eh	02:35
ShadowJK	nobody in their right mind would put vp6/vp3 in html5	02:35
openstandards	why not?	02:36
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ShadowJK	because there's h264?	02:36
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openstandards	but h264 won't be accepted by firefox	02:37
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openstandards	h264 has more patents than mp3 and thats bad enough as it stands for a royality free platform	02:38
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ShadowJK	firefox doesn't have to, it's enough to support something like gstreamer or vfw/dshow... then it becomes the system/os's responsibility to supply video codecs, or for the user to download/buy codecs	02:40
openstandards	ShadowJK, but that then doesn't get away from the fact that the user might not have that codec or permission to install a new codec ie: schools	02:41
ShadowJK	the same is true for flash and java too :)	02:41
ShadowJK	or heck, firefox itself.	02:42
* ShadowJK fondly remembers the Sun Sparcstations at school, with openwin and Netscape 4.7 :D		02:43
openstandards	ShadowJK, exactly.... i remember going to school and having no permissions to install flash.....	02:44
aep	in school our computers could boot from floppy :P	02:44
openstandards	the benefit of streaming html5 will be lower bandwidth costs	02:44
openstandards	aep, in school we booted into dos and started playing games :D	02:44
ShadowJK	I don't think there's that much difference in bandwidth	02:45
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openstandards	they get cached to the computer rather than the flash cache	02:45
aep	hm anyone got the powertop binary for me? i reflashed, so mine is gone	02:45
openstandards	from what i believe	02:45
ShadowJK	those sites generally prevent caching anyway..	02:46
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ShadowJK	I think the thing that will make h264 "win" html5 is inertia	02:51
ShadowJK	sorenson h263 and vp6 were bad enough that people upgraded to h264 for flash	02:52
ShadowJK	and now they can just put the same h264 in html5 without needing 50,000 new servers if they'43 69757+3	02:52
ShadowJK	uh	02:52
ShadowJK	if they're youtube :P	02:52
ShadowJK	Theora isn't a rdical improvement on h264, most consider it lower quality	02:53
sivang	so , I wanted to support Stskeeps but the login just killed my last bit of power bfore going to sleep.	02:53
sivang	Tomorrow is another day!	02:53
sivang	Good NIght all! don;t sleep with our tablets next to your head like I do!	02:54
ShadowJK	i always do that	02:54
sivang	(I wake up sweating for new emails arriving throughout the night)	02:54
sivang	ShadowJK: ;->	02:54
sivang	ShadowJK: feels you're connected isn't it?	02:54
ShadowJK	I dont have email checking on ;)	02:55
sivang	ShadowJK: I have ti all, again in sack of testing.	02:55
sivang	ShadowJK: emails, IMs, facebook, weather	02:55
sivang	sake	02:55
sivang	^^ hmm getting tired	02:55
ShadowJK	Yeah, weather. it says -28C	02:55
ShadowJK	it makes me not want to leave my warm bed	02:56
sivang	badnwidth meters, ip reporter, processes	02:56
sivang	ShadowJK: you need to get to work?	02:56
ShadowJK	no luckily i have the week off	02:56
sivang	13c here	02:56
sivang	winter is leaving us before it started :-(	02:56
sivang	we're in mid-feb	02:56
sivang	and already had 2 very hot weeks	02:57
ShadowJK	when it gets light outside I'll have to go fetch more firewood, start a fire, and go back mto sleep	02:57
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ptl	don't complain about warmth	02:57
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ptl	it's too hot here	02:58
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sivang	feels to me that global warming is real :/	02:59
sivang	and the intervals between exterem weather events are shortening in an alarming rate.	02:59
sivang	to the point where they'd be the avg. of the graphc not the corner case points.	02:59
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sivang	at anyway	03:02
sivang	good night.	03:02
sivang	see you all tomorrow CET.	03:02
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pupnik	frighteningly quiet	03:33
cehteh	shall i throw a needle or fart?	03:33
pupnik	needle is easier to dodge	03:34
pupnik	oh look at the time	03:34
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cehteh	maybe all have installed the new xchat and now dont need to stare at their screens watching for action :P	03:34
cehteh	do you know the openvpn maintainer for maemo?	03:35
pupnik	i do not	03:35
* cehteh goes figuring out		03:35
cehteh	this update-resolv-conf script gives me pita .. why not use dnsmasq ...	03:35
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pupnik	what are you hacking on cehteh	03:39
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cehteh	currently -- getting openvpn properly working for me	03:41
cehteh	(involves some network reorganization here)	03:42
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pupnik	headache too strong - ttyl	03:50
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crashanddie_	lol...	04:10
crashanddie_	the whole of freenode is blocked by proxy	04:11
timeless_mbp	?	04:11
crashanddie_	however https to the IP and it works fine xD	04:11
timeless_mbp	heh	04:11
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timeless_mbp	'the web is more important than everything else'	04:11
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wazd	http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/22/moblic-e7-stuffs-wimax-qwerty-a-gamepad-and-all-our-dreams-an/ <- Pandora, beware :)	04:34
microlith	only if the processor is decent	04:35
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uhsf	anyone making two mini dPad like these to snap onto n900 keyboard and through it's usb port or bluetooth and the n900 is 1000000x better than this thing	04:49
microlith	uhsf: why, when you can use existing bluetooth controllers :)	04:50
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uhsf	because the only decent one i found yet is the sony sixaxis and it's ~4times the size of my n900	04:52
uhsf	not very practical to borrow with me	04:53
uhsf	i don't use my n900 much at home i use it when i'm out	04:54
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wiretapped	omg the mediaplayer sucks	05:11
wiretapped	i just made an m3u to put an album in the right order	05:11
pupnik_	and	05:12
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wiretapped	it loads 1 2 3 4 ... n as 1 n ... 4 3 2	05:12
wiretapped	!!!	05:13
wiretapped	so, backwards, but with track 1 first	05:13
wiretapped	the fact that i can open a shell and make an m3u file with find and edit it with vi, out of the box...	05:14
wiretapped	is awesome	05:14
wiretapped	that i need to to hear an album in order... not awesome	05:14
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kamui	anyone know whats new in the latest version of xchat released today?	06:56
kamui	nothing stated in the details	06:56
GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/xchat/2.8.6-maemo15/	06:57
kamui	lame	06:58
kamui	thanks GA	06:58
kamui	I was hoping the interface was made more touch friendly	06:58
GeneralAntilles	lol	06:58
kamui	at least started	06:58
GeneralAntilles	kamui, that's, er, not a simple undertaking.	06:58
kamui	looks like its just a new icon and notification system	06:59
kamui	I know its not GeneralAntilles	06:59
kamui	thats why I was hoping it was started	06:59
GeneralAntilles	kamui, the original maintainer has been gone for a while	06:59
kamui	you know, in the changelog, like began laying framework for touch friendly interface	06:59
kamui	oic	06:59
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12 and RST38h have been doing a lot of spare-time patches and improvements.	06:59
kamui	thats very nice of them	06:59
kamui	because xchat is easily the best irc app ever	06:59
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kamui	next to irssi	06:59
kamui	:-D	06:59
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, and neither of them have an overwhelming amount of time to reimplement the UI. ;)	06:59
kamui	I was thinking about writing a new client	07:00
kamui	calling it KamuiRC	07:00
kamui	:-D	07:00
GeneralAntilles	Do it	07:00
GeneralAntilles	Probably easier than getting XChat to have a nice UI. ;)	07:00
kamui	no point really, xchat is leaps and bounds more mature than anything written from scratch	07:01
kamui	plus its totally useable. I'd really just like to see at least bigger scrolling window widgets	07:01
kamui	I could probably live with everything else otherwise, its still moderately touch and slide friendly	07:01
kamui	fingerwise	07:01
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GeneralAntilles	I'd love to find somebody to con into doing it.	07:06
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GeneralAntilles	Goddamn, Jaffa, mwkn is good for karma whoring.	07:06
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DocScrutinizer	(not a simple undertaking) repeating my suggestion to very simply increase size of hot area for scrollbuttons	07:08
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kamui	wowsers!	07:41
kamui	made crazy progress with blender	07:41
kamui	still not hardware accelerated	07:41
kamui	but I have the lag down to under a second	07:41
fredrin_cel	blender?	07:41
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pupnik_	nice kamui	07:53
kamui	hey pupnik	07:54
kamui	tried the screencast applet	07:54
kamui	works ok with blender, but audio and video are horribly desynced	07:54
kamui	Ill make another video with my camera and upload it tomorrow	07:55
pupnik_	sleeping .. cu	07:56
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GeneralAntilles	lcuk, clearly your new hardware target. http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/lenovo-thinkpad-bumps-bring-x201-x201s-x201t-w701-and-w701ds/	07:57
crashanddie_	interesting...	07:58
crashanddie_	My laptop in the hotel room just "went to sleep"	07:58
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crashanddie_	And I'm most definitely not in my hotel room	07:59
crashanddie_	GeneralAntilles: you do realise it's a bit early, even for lcuk	07:59
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie_, yes, I realize.	08:01
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie_, but now I don't have to remember to send the link in the morning.	08:01
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie_, housekeeping is saving energy.	08:01
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crashanddie_	GeneralAntilles: you treehugger	08:02
GeneralAntilles	Green is cool, yo.	08:03
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie_, you see that Audi commercial from the Superbowl?	08:03
crashanddie_	nope	08:03
GeneralAntilles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq58zS4_jvM	08:03
GeneralAntilles	Deeply disturbing	08:03
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pupnik_	why dont these cursed media players let me delete files. panucci	08:04
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pupnik_	im going to upload one-off fixes of this crap soon	08:05
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crashanddie_	GeneralAntilles: no youtube at work	08:06
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GeneralAntilles	crashanddie_, lame.	08:16
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Proteous	yeah, that audi comercial was not right	08:20
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GeneralAntilles	Well, I'm never going to buy anything from Audi/VW. ;)	08:21
Proteous	I guess it was suppose to be funny but it was not funny at all	08:21
Proteous	in addition to making you want to smack the smug Audi driver	08:22
GeneralAntilles	Yeah	08:22
GeneralAntilles	Aside from being utterly offensive, it hits a little close to home to be funny.	08:22
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Proteous	how much tax money do you have to spend to fund a police force that goes through everyones garbage	08:23
Proteous	and how corrupt must a system be to pass laws with harsh penalties for not recycling a plastic bottle	08:23
Proteous	yeah	08:23
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Proteous	fuck, the damn expressions of fear on the peoples faces when they saw that the recycling police were after them	08:25
Proteous	anyway	08:25
Proteous	gah	08:25
Proteous	I'll be in the other room pouring myself a stiff drink	08:25
GeneralAntilles	Sounds like a plan.	08:26
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jo-erlend	i just bought myself an n900 yesterday. must say i'm impressed,though it'll t*ke some getting used to the keyboard..	08:28
GeneralAntilles	About 2-3 weeks.	08:29
jo-erlend	i'm already writing faster on this than some people write on fullsize keyboards :)	08:30
DocScrutinizer	except if you got a crippled german wertzu kbd	08:30
jo-erlend	wertzu?	08:30
DocScrutinizer	that's what the german layout is called in Germany	08:31
jo-erlend	i didn't know they had a different layout there.	08:31
pupnik_	l8r	08:31
pupnik_	how kind of you DocScrutinizer	08:31
DocScrutinizer	the nasty part though are the missing up/down direct keys	08:32
pupnik_	jo-erlend: and other countries have different ones also	08:32
jo-erlend	i know.	08:32
jo-erlend	weird	08:32
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DocScrutinizer	pupnik_: ??	08:33
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DocScrutinizer	moo	08:40
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Proteous	to teach myself to touch type on a normal keyboard I popped off all the keys and rearranged them	08:46
Proteous	this is much harder to do on the n900	08:46
jo-erlend	why is there a tombstone for maemo in the topic?	08:49
Proteous	meeeeeeegooooooo	08:49
Proteous	of doooooommmmmmm	08:49
jo-erlend	hmm?	08:50
Proteous	meego	08:50
jo-erlend	....	08:50
Proteous	and parternership of nokia and intel to combine maemo and moogle	08:50
Proteous	or whatever the intel OS is	08:50
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Proteous	http://meego.com/	08:51
DocScrutinizer	gremlin	08:51
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jo-erlend	bad time for beginning with maemo then?	08:51
Proteous	who knows	08:51
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Proteous	depends on what you want out of it	08:52
Proteous	if you want an OS that is going to be around in 10 years then you are screwed with anything you pick	08:52
Proteous	if you want a phone OS that will be around in 2 years then it's pretty much the same thing	08:52
Proteous	IMHO	08:52
Proteous	they will have to pull my n900 from my cold dead hands, or offer me something with dual snapdragon 1ghz CPUs	08:53
Proteous	and a mostly open OS	08:53
Proteous	and good controls for gaming	08:54
Proteous	god I want a phone with a decent D-pad	08:54
DocScrutinizer	dpad, yeah	08:54
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GeneralAntilles	Proteous, Snapdragon sucks.	08:55
Proteous	yeah?	08:55
GeneralAntilles	OMAP4440, baby!	08:56
Proteous	heh	08:56
GeneralAntilles	Sucks is strong, but it's no OMAP.	08:56
GeneralAntilles	No DSP, no graphics	08:56
GeneralAntilles	Limited cache.	08:56
Proteous	boo	08:56
GeneralAntilles	So that 1GHz isn't quite OMAP3 1GHz.	08:56
GeneralAntilles	Besides, Qualcomm is just fucking evil. :P	08:56
Proteous	maybe intel will pull a sweet SOAC out of somewhere dank and smelly	08:57
GeneralAntilles	Atom is gross for low power	08:57
Proteous	I'm sure they would really like to get farther into that market	08:57
GeneralAntilles	I'm all about the TI, honestly.	08:57
GeneralAntilles	Open source friendly, good hardware.	08:57
Proteous	yeah	08:57
jo-erlend	ti rocks.	08:58
Proteous	but will we get a TI chip from nokia not that they are in bed with intel?	08:58
RST38h	SnapDragon has no graphics?	08:58
Proteous	er, now	08:58
RST38h	Really?	08:58
GeneralAntilles	I can't imagine they'd drop TI.	08:58
RST38h	ÿ	08:58
GeneralAntilles	MeeGo is the only thing that's really suite for x86	08:58
RST38h	happened before	08:58
GeneralAntilles	and they've got the whole rest of their product line.	08:59
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, as far as I'm aware	08:59
jo-erlend	they won't drop TI.	08:59
GeneralAntilles	Graphics is on another chip	08:59
GeneralAntilles	I wont be buying an Atom SoC-based phones, that's for damn sure.	08:59
RST38h	mhm, weird	08:59
Proteous	RST38h: it does video decoding but doesn't have any GPU functionality	08:59
RST38h	Ah, just wait and see...	08:59
Proteous	acording to wikipedia	08:59
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jo-erlend	i'm looking forward to cortex-a9. dual core arm will make it a bit more suitable for real desktops.	09:01
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Stork91	hello	09:10
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Stork91	I am very new to my n810 and I am looking for help in changin my boot splash. I dont wan tto change the Nokia. I actually like that. I do want to change the hands though.	09:11
Stork91	I know that I have to chage out a file in the root directory,	09:11
Stork91	and I can even view that file in GPE	09:11
Stork91	but I cannot move, change, rename, or alter that file from GPE	09:11
Stork91	can anyone tell me the easiest way to handle this task?	09:11
timeless_mbp	Stork91: this is what i did for the n900: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/maemo-splash-0.1/	09:11
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Stork91	several problems with that. For starters I am still on a n810, which uses a image file. Two to be precise.	09:13
Stork91	second, I do not have acess to a LInux pc, so I will have to do all of this from a windows operating system.	09:13
Stork91	I know how to do it, in that I know which files to alter, and the specs for those files.	09:15
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Stork91	I need to know how to actually change the files.	09:15
Stork91	Since you cannot do it from GPE and they are not readily visible from explorer i windows.	09:15
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timeless_mbp	well so um	09:18
Stskeeps	morning timeless_mbp	09:18
timeless_mbp	hi	09:18
Stork91	stskeeps	09:18
timeless_mbp	the directory shown there is the source for a .deb	09:18
timeless_mbp	the .deb is responsible for munging files that you normally can't touch	09:19
Stork91	do you know to edit the root for the n810 from windows?	09:19
* timeless_mbp doesn't see how that part of things is remotely interesting		09:19
timeless_mbp	"you don't"	09:19
timeless_mbp	next.	09:19
Stork91	ok...	09:19
Stskeeps	Stork91: 'ssh'?	09:19
Stskeeps	:P	09:19
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timeless_mbp	Stork91: how about looking at what the package i pointed to you does?	09:19
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timeless_mbp	instead of just grumbling about windows and totally different n900	09:20
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Stskeeps	but isn't an animation	09:20
Stork91	the package you pointed me to is for the n900\\\\\\\\\\\\	09:20
Stork91	bbl	09:20
Stork91	have to go give a test	09:20
timeless_mbp	not a test, a read	09:20
timeless_mbp	look at what it does and how	09:21
timeless_mbp	learn from it	09:21
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Sandman	someone seen this? http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sv&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fopensource.idg.se%2F2.1014%2F1.296909%2Fse-nokias-oppna-multi-touch---pa-windows-7	09:21
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timeless_mbp	Sandman: translation sucks	09:21
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timeless_mbp	Stork91: http://www.rcramer.com/gadgets/n800/boot.shtml	09:23
Sandman	i know.. but the funny part is that Nokia blame Linux. Multi-touch are working if you run GTK+ for what i know.	09:24
timeless_mbp	Stork91: 'sudo gainroot' is your friend	09:24
timeless_mbp	Sandman: so um	09:24
timeless_mbp	do you speak the language the article was actually written in/	09:24
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timeless_mbp	because the translation is so bad that it could have said anything in the original	09:25
Sandman	yeah.. (swedish)	09:25
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jo-erlend	crap... i set a root password, but i don't remember what i used...	09:26
timeless_mbp	jo-erlend: sudo gainroot	09:26
timeless_mbp	(or install a package that removes the password)	09:27
timeless_mbp	Stork91: personally, i'd make a package, just as i did for the n900	09:28
timeless_mbp	the advantage is that if you ever reflash, you can reinstall the package to reapply the customization	09:28
timeless_mbp	instead of manually doing the work again	09:28
timeless_mbp	packages essentially document the changes you've done to system files	09:28
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timeless_mbp	my n800 turned on fairly quickly and connected to my wifi network w/o issue	09:28
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Stskeeps	i'm really destroying a lot of my SB1 rootstraps with this maemo-on-omap script to make images	09:31
Stskeeps	by running it in the wrong target	09:31
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ds3	anyone know if dell takes coupons for the N900?	09:33
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Shapeshifter	how's vpnc working for you lot? it works here but the connection breaks off after a couple of minutes, or becomes unrecoverable if the wlan disconnects. if it breaks down once, I cant connect agian, even if I killed all vpnc instances.	09:35
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Stskeeps	hey ClaesBas	09:45
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lardman\|home	morning	10:02
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RST38h	mourning lardman	10:03
RST38h	how are things?	10:03
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lardman\|home	hi RST38h, not bad, you?	10:05
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Stskeeps	moo dmb	10:05
RST38h	lardman: 4th day of the long weekend	10:05
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dmb	Stskeeps: how you been?	10:06
Stskeeps	good	10:07
lardman\|home	RST38h: long weekend?	10:07
RST38h	lardman: 23th if the local version of the father's day	10:07
dmb	i want me a device that that can run Maemo :P	10:07
Stskeeps	dmb: get n900 :P	10:07
RST38h	lardman: next saturday has been moved to 22th, 4 weekends	10:07
dmb	any chance of any cdma versions coming out?	10:08
lardman\|home	RST38h: ah ok, sounds nice :)	10:08
Stskeeps	dmb: i know you from .. inspircd wasn't it?	10:08
Stskeeps	dmb: doubt it	10:08
dmb	Stskeeps: yup	10:08
dmb	and that other evil ircd :P	10:08
Stskeeps	ah, did w00t turn another one?	10:08
Stskeeps	:P	10:08
dmb	turn another one?	10:09
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Stskeeps	we have this ongoing joke that he makes n900 customers out of people	10:09
Stskeeps	:P	10:09
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RST38h	are tentacles involved?	10:11
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tigert	morning	10:12
Stskeeps	morning tigert	10:12
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X-Fade	morning	10:14
lardman\|home	morning X-Fade	10:14
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lardman\|home	Stskeeps: how's work coming along on the PVR stuff out of interest?	10:15
Stskeeps	lardman\|home: released by TI but it's now up to community to make something sane out of things	10:15
Stskeeps	:P	10:15
Stskeeps	i think we can use it to accelerate cairo and Qgraphicsview in qt4.6	10:15
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lardman\|home	Stskeeps: oh, I didn't realise it had been released with a proper licence	10:15
Stskeeps	well, proper is a matter of definition\	10:15
Stskeeps	but at least it ships with debug symbols	10:15
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lardman\|home	this is not the same code we were looking at before then? It's gone back to Ti to be signed off for release?	10:16
Stskeeps	it is roughly the same but with SDK on top	10:16
lardman\|home	ok	10:17
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timeless_mbp	sp3000: "let's not well [sic] on that at the moment"	10:54
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:57
mece	jaffa, mornin'	10:58
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: Got to make up for the broken and revamped karma system somehow ;-)	10:58
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Stork91	timeless_mbp: I know everything in that link you gave me already.	11:02
Stork91	im looking for a way to modify the files.	11:03
Stork91	I want to know how to get to the root directory in my n810 from inside of windows, or inside of maemo	11:03
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Stork91	and then change it.	11:04
Stork91	modify it.	11:04
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Stork91	there is already an install for a way to change your splash screen to a thing from ATHF as well as a maemo display...	11:09
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Stork91	is there not an ap that automatically takes a spcified image and makes it the load screen?	11:10
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* fcrozat wonders if gmail notifier has been ported to maemo5		11:11
timeless_mbp	Stork91: err	11:11
timeless_mbp	1. copy the file from windows to your n900	11:12
timeless_mbp	s/900/810/	11:12
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: 1. copy the file from windows to your n810	11:12
timeless_mbp	2. eject your n810	11:12
timeless_mbp	3. open xterminal	11:12
timeless_mbp	4. use sudo gainroot (if it doesn't work, install rootsh)	11:12
timeless_mbp	5. follow the instructions	11:12
fcrozat	since my 3G operator bills IMAP4 (not included in internet access) and since Nokia Messaging beta trial is now over :(	11:12
timeless_mbp	6. if you can't follow these instructions, then don't bother, you're going to break your device	11:12
timeless_mbp	(go read a book about linux?)	11:12
jacekowski	fcrozat: not included?	11:13
jacekowski	fcrozat: i would make a complin	11:13
jacekowski	complain*	11:13
fcrozat	jacekowski: I have something like 200MB for "everything but mail" and 10MB for imap4/pop3	11:13
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hrw	morning	11:13
jacekowski	fcrozat: 200M?	11:13
fcrozat	you can't complain, it is part of the contract	11:13
jacekowski	fcrozat: that's like a nothing	11:13
fcrozat	jacekowski: for 3G/EDGE, it is everything I need ;)	11:14
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fcrozat	I use DSL at home and at work	11:14
jacekowski	i've got unlimited	11:14
fcrozat	well, France doesn't have good competitions between 3G operators.	11:14
hrw	jacekowski: with which operator?	11:14
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jacekowski	t-mobile	11:14
jacekowski	and o2	11:15
fcrozat	it "should" change, but not before 18months (4th 3G operator coming, a "real" ISP becoming operator, not a telco becoming ISP)	11:15
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tybollt	1.2? anyone?	11:16
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hrw	jacekowski: lucky you	11:17
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hrw	yesterday one of Polish operators called me with offer which had trilions of free minutes, free calls to other galaxies but internet at 10000000USD per 1KB	11:18
Stork91	enable rd mode to gain root priviledges	11:18
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tybollt	hrw: and you shouted "Spierdalaj" at them?	11:18
fcrozat	currently, orange france is billing internet as "0.5€ / session (20min time)" when you don't pay a "limited unlimited 3G internet" access	11:19
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hrw	tybollt: I was more polite	11:19
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tybollt	hrw: no reason to be polite w/ telephone salesmen	11:19
* fcrozat is fortunate to have an old contract for 200MB 3G access for 9€ per month, used in deduction from my prepaid card		11:19
Stork91	anyone know what rd mode is?	11:22
hrw	Stork91: research&development	11:22
tybollt	Stork91: install rootsh	11:22
tybollt	Stork91: that will let you be root	11:22
hrw	Stork91: if you have to ask then do not enable it	11:22
tybollt	he wants root	11:23
tybollt	so he should go to HAM and install rootsh	11:23
Stork91	... seriously, all I want to do is change a boot screen. I know this was something popular to do, and something many people have done / want to do. Why is there not a simpler way to do this?	11:23
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tybollt	huh I think I saw an app for changing boot logo	11:24
tybollt	wait bud	11:24
Stork91	like step one: create a folder in .documents	11:24
Stork91	step two: put a 800x480 image in there and name it (the long name here)	11:24
Stork91	step three: run this app	11:25
Stork91	bootscreen changed.	11:25
Stork91	not pretty. But it works.	11:25
tybollt	what is the appname	11:25
tybollt	ye	11:26
tybollt	there you go	11:26
tybollt	I have it	11:26
timeless_mbp	Stork91: step 1. use the guidelines from my deb as a guide to build your own deb	11:26
Stork91	is it for the n810?	11:26
timeless_mbp	step 2. build your deb	11:26
timeless_mbp	step 3. install the deb	11:26
Stork91	...	11:26
timeless_mbp	nice, simple, easy to follow, doesn't require root	11:26
timeless_mbp	and i gave you that outline hours ago	11:27
timeless_mbp	the deb is an outline	11:27
tybollt	there is a package for this	11:27
Stork91	I am in South korea on a work computer and the n810 is the only access i have atm until i save enouhg money to build a new rig ehre.	11:27
Stork91	I am teaching english.	11:27
tybollt	Bootscreen	11:27
Stork91	I have no way to dual boot my work computer.	11:27
Stork91	Thanks.	11:27
tybollt	use the "bootscreen" package ok?	11:27
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Stork91	tybollt where is this package?	11:28
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Stork91	http://maemo.org/packages/view/bootscreen/	11:34
tybollt	Stork91: in the maemo repostirories	11:34
Stork91	looking for something working on the n810	11:34
tybollt	ehr, spellink not so gut from ze me of today	11:34
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Stork91	...	11:37
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Stork91	I am looking for a way to easily chanve the bootscreen on a Nokia n810.	11:38
Stork91	Not a n900.	11:38
Stork91	Package does not work.	11:38
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Stork91	or does it?	11:38
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Stork91	says maemo 5	11:39
Stork91	so im assuming it DOESNT	11:39
Stork91	so I need something that does.	11:39
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Stork91	The n810 uses a image. Not a video.	11:41
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Stork91	http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/bootscreen/0.1/	11:45
Stork91	could anyone tell me how to use this on a n810?	11:46
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Stork91	I am looking for a way to change the bootscreen on an n810.	11:59
Stork91	I know which files to change.	11:59
Stork91	I know what the files i change them to have to be, and the resolution.	11:59
Stork91	I can see them in gpe.	11:59
Stork91	I just want an easy way to change them.	11:59
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Stork91	cannot install the bootscreen package. In compatible package.	12:02
Stork91	so im gussing it is for maemo 5 and not 4	12:02
Stork91	yay	12:02
Stskeeps	the fremantle part should have given it aaway	12:02
Stork91	Im new	12:03
Stork91	I also barely know anything at all about maemo	12:04
Stork91	hell i barely am familiar with anything linux	12:04
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Stork91	and ignoring me until I say it didnt work and then throwing it in my face that something should have given it away is not condusive to expanding a community or solving a problem.	12:05
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Corsac	I'm not sure either is the point anyway	12:06
Stskeeps	.. wtf :P	12:06
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Stskeeps	Stork91: go read talk.maemo.org	12:06
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Stskeeps	and search for boot screen or splash screen	12:06
Stork91	stskeeps: have been. And so far what i can get from it is that everything and its mother is geared toward maemo 5 and later	12:07
Stork91	so im screwed if i run maemo 4	12:07
Stork91	and if I have a n810 I cannot run anything higher	12:07
Stork91	the n810 is not longer being developed, discussed, and has, for the most part, been dropped like a whore who got too loose and old.	12:08
Stskeeps	okay, let me start out by saying that you come across as a bit rude	12:08
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Stork91	I am a Texan. The good news is that this is the rudest I get.	12:09
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Stork91	but if i have offended, I do not mean to.	12:09
Stskeeps	searching for splash screen diablo got me a hint in the bottom of the posts list	12:09
tybollt	texan?	12:09
tybollt	so now we're not helping you, you'll pull a shotgun on us? :)	12:10
dev	is anyone using httptunnel or something similar to get around stupid data-plan restrictions? t-mobile Germany forbids email client access, jabber,...	12:10
Stskeeps	http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2007/09/custom-splash-on-it.html may still apply	12:11
Lumpio-	"But I'm from $place" is a lame excuse for being rude tbh	12:11
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Stork91	I come in here, after searching for hours, only to hav eyou guys use one or two words different from the words I do while trying to link me to something that is an attempt to help.	12:12
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Stskeeps	Stork91: first off, this isn't a support channel	12:12
Stskeeps	you're expected to do a bunch of research yourself	12:12
Stork91	The link is usually for Meamo 5, which doesnt help me at all since those are videos and not images, and are in a different directory. So the packages do not helpme.	12:12
nid0	the link is clearly not for maemo 5.	12:13
Stork91	but the one or two words that were different send me on another search for 2-3 hours	12:13
Stskeeps	the url i just pasted helps.	12:13
Stork91	I then come back in here.	12:13
Stork91	But as ive told you im on windows.	12:13
Stork91	which means it doesnt.	12:13
Stork91	at all.	12:13
Stork91	and ive read that page 5 times.	12:13
nid0	why not?	12:13
Stskeeps	..	12:13
Stskeeps	winscp, dude	12:13
Stork91	"Another way to cutomise your Internet Tablet, splash screens for your n770 or n800. No more nasty Nokia logo and those weird hands. This is just like custom icons on your IT. Again, this is meant for Ubuntu and Debian users. (Windows users can actually do these steps by using Putty. Which I have no experience with :( ) These are the splashes I use on my 770, but if have some you'd like to share, drop me a link in a comment and I'll try and put them up for the	12:14
Stork91	im not on my personal computer	12:14
Stork91	but on one at work	12:14
nid0	you're just having to use putty (or winscp or any other application that scp's from windows) instead of gftp	12:14
Stork91	hell, im not even on an English OS	12:14
nid0	the article even suggests that	12:14
Stork91	putty might as well be written in a different language for me.	12:14
nid0	so in fact the link you have does perfectly help you, you just dont know how to use the tools it tells you to use	12:15
Stskeeps	Stork91: if you can't handle advanced changes, why are you trying to change your boot screen? it's not a supported feature	12:15
Stork91	and taht sends me down another path of searching, finding, and ultimately going to both a different group of guys that will treat me same.	12:15
nid0	and so would get much further by just asking how to use putty, than dismissing the guide as "useless" because you dont know how to follow it.	12:15
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Stork91	Ok, any idea how to use putty?	12:15
Stskeeps	use winscp	12:15
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nid0	sure, i use it on a daily basis, winscp is easier though	12:16
Stskeeps	it is like windows explorer and you have to be an idiot not to understand to use it	12:16
Stskeeps	:P	12:16
nid0	it looks and acts exactly like any ftp client except it uses scp	12:16
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Stork91	ok	12:21
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Stork91	installed	12:21
Stork91	so how do i get this to see the root of the device?	12:21
Stskeeps	install the openssh-server package from extras	12:22
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Stork91	unable to install openssh	12:25
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Stork91	application is incompatible with currentsoftware	12:26
nid0	got dropbear installed?	12:26
Stork91	no.	12:26
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Stskeeps	flash diablo	12:26
Stskeeps	:P	12:26
Stskeeps	and don't add fremantle extras repositories	12:27
Stork91	I havent added any	12:27
Stork91	http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dropbear/	12:28
Stork91	this what I need?	12:28
Stskeeps	no, openssh-server	12:29
Stskeeps	and flash diablo, what version are you on?	12:29
Stork91	doesnt flashing diablo reset everything?	12:30
oly	why should you not add freemantel extras ?	12:30
Stskeeps	oly: on diablo?	12:31
Stskeeps	Stork91: yes, but you're obviously on an ancient version	12:31
oly	no idea what diablo is	12:32
oly	is that a version before freemantle then ?	12:32
Stskeeps	diablo is maemo4.1.2	12:32
oly	okay, all makes sense now :)	12:32
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Arif_	moo?	12:57
nomis	apt-get	12:58
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pta0007	hi, is there any way to check whether my n900 is running the latest software?	13:00
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frals	he, loving this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7576, went from "cant reproduce" to "fixed in xx" to "wontfix" >_<	13:01
povbot	Bug 7576: Capitalization on smileys lost	13:01
asj_	pta0007: yes	13:03
Corsac	graphical smileys must die	13:03
hrw	+1	13:03
nomis	+2	13:03
pillar_	hey does someone know an api to find a contact name for a number in python?	13:03
pta0007	asj_:how then?	13:04
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asj_	pta0007: run the app manager	13:04
asj_	and click "Update"	13:04
Corsac	pillar_: low level you should be able to directly ask the database, but maybe there's an rtcomm python binding?	13:05
frals	no rtcomm python bindings	13:05
frals	and python-evolution is lacking the querystuff from what ive seen	13:05
frals	but if you find a way, please let me know pillar	13:05
pillar_	Corsac: yeah I'm hoping something higher level, I don't have any python experience but had a nice idea to modify a script that I found	13:05
pillar_	frals: will do	13:06
lizardo	pillar_: are you the same guy who asked how to do this using ctypes on the talk.maemo.org? :)	13:06
pta0007	asj_:thx :)	13:06
frals	i tried doing it with ctypes but got stuck when i had to pass a gboolean to the libosso-abook method and never got it working :p	13:07
pillar_	lizardo: nope, pillar there as well	13:07
Corsac	pillar_: I had the same problem when wanted to import sms from an xml files	13:07
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Corsac	I didn't want to parse xml files in C at first, so I wanted to use python, but then would have had problems doing the searches and import	13:08
lizardo	pillar_: so there is interest by more than one person on this... see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44929&highlight=ctypes	13:08
Corsac	I ended up doing it in C, based on the smsimport.c I found on tmo	13:08
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Vanadis_Work	fuck yeah	13:09
Vanadis_Work	Tomb Raider runs now with about 10-15 FPS	13:09
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lizardo	pillar_: I'll cook up something later, but in the meanwhile, if you are interested, you can try using ctypes+libabook to get the information, based on this tutorial : http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings	13:09
pillar_	lizardo: let me know if your cooking starts to smell good :)	13:10
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pillar_	I might need to wait for someone else do the groundwork, python is a new experience for me	13:10
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Arif_	Tomb Raider? :O	13:11
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Arif_	someone should work on an N64 emu first	13:11
Arif_	PSX isos are so big >.>	13:11
frals	cant wait for lizardos cookbook on how to do it properly, will speed up fMMS quite a bit i think :P	13:11
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lupu	Any recommendations on how to get the usbserial driver for the N900/Fremantle?	13:11
Stskeeps	you mean g_serial, cos usb host doesn't work	13:12
pillar_	frals: how are you know doing the contact integration in fmms?	13:12
frals	ugly as hell, sec	13:12
frals	http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/trees/master	13:12
lupu	Does usbserial really necessitate USB host mode?	13:12
pillar_	lizardo: see, you already have many fans :)	13:12
SpeedEvil	yes	13:12
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frals	contacts.py is what you want to look at, with some dialogstuff in fmms_sender_ui.py	13:13
lupu	SpeedEvil: Interesting. Then what is the client side driver?	13:13
frals	basically i load a bunch of numbers and the name in to a dict.. which, needless to say, is slow :P	13:13
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SpeedEvil	lupu: you mean to connect a USB serial device?	13:14
SpeedEvil	lup: or to connect as if the n900 is a usb serial device	13:14
lupu	SpeedEvil: The other side is an AVR controller that I can run either in USB host or client mode. I just need to send/receive serial data with it and the N900.	13:15
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SpeedEvil	you need to run it in USB host mode then.	13:15
SpeedEvil	Are you sure it can do host - many onlt do device.	13:15
SpeedEvil	then use the serial USB gadget driver - so the n900 acts like a serial device	13:16
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SpeedEvil	http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/	13:17
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lupu	SpeedEvil: That seems to be what I need.	13:18
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SpeedEvil	BT may also be an alternative	13:19
lupu	SpeedEvil: That would be a rather unpleasant alternative.	13:20
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pillar_	frals: are there some documentation for evolution?	13:21
lupu	I'll look into the USB gadget driver, thanks.	13:22
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frals	not really no	13:22
frals	http://commandline.org.uk/python/three-useful-python-bindings/	13:22
frals	thats what i based it on iirc	13:22
matthew-	hey frals ;-)	13:23
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frals	o/	13:23
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pillar_	frals would this maybe work for a phonenumber as well or only names? r = addresses.search('Zeth')	13:26
* Arif_ blinks		13:28
matthew-	Still no upgrade for the UK1 way. ;-)	13:28
frals	pillar: only numbers from my experience	13:29
pillar_	frals: you mean names?	13:31
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tybollt	Stskeeps: no, I will not stop worrying, NEVARH!11	13:32
Stskeeps	tybollt: here, have this pill..	13:32
Stskeeps	:P	13:32
tybollt	;D	13:32
tybollt	Stskeeps: nice piece on tmo though...	13:32
lupu	13:15 < SpeedEvil> Are you sure it can do host - many onlt do device.	13:33
Stskeeps	meh, it's my job, even though i wrote it in my 'free time'	13:33
Stskeeps	:P	13:33
lupu	SpeedEvil: Oh my... you're right. The controller I ordered only does OTG, not full host mode.	13:33
Corsac	well, OTG is a superset of host mode, isn't it?	13:34
Corsac	it's the ability to switch from guest to host mode, afair?	13:34
Corsac	so if OTG works, pure host mode should work too	13:34
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lupu	Corsac: That was going to be my next question. I know host mode requires rather intensive power feeds, which the controller wouldn't handle, but other than that I can't imagine a reason for not handling it.	13:35
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lupu	...but my lack of imagination itself is no proof that there wouldn't be a technical limitation ;)	13:37
SpeedEvil	lupu: can you supply 100mA charging current?	13:38
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SpeedEvil	lupu: and you know that dealing with usb serial will be several orders of magnitude harder than serial?	13:39
asj_	the AVR should have a set of libraries to deal with USB and provide more of the USB functions for you	13:41
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SpeedEvil	Well - no.	13:46
SpeedEvil	Many embedded processors don't.	13:46
SpeedEvil	They may come with some example code to do one particular thing.	13:47
SpeedEvil	But they generally do not come with a full suite of libraries abstracting all the hardware in them.	13:47
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SpeedEvil	You're supposed to do it yourself - and in the case of micros with 1 or 2K of ROM - that can be the only way some apps will fit.	13:48
cos^	has anyone built qtify for maemo?	13:49
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Scelt_	frals: wassup. I'm using your fMMS. nice job, man!	13:52
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SpeedEvil	frals: indeed - if I ever had the urge to send or recieve a mms, I would thank you deeply!	13:52
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lupu	SpeedEvil: Indeed, using UART would be another option if the other side(N900) would support it.	14:02
lupu	All USB/UART adapters I've seen assume USB Device role, which wouldn't help much in this case.	14:03
SpeedEvil	the easiest solution is a bt->serial adaptor.	14:03
SpeedEvil	Not cheap though	14:03
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lupu	Well, the whole purpose of the project is to learn new things, so I'm not immediately drawn away by a "level of difficulty", to put it. On the other hand, I also intend to finish the project, which leaves me not wanting to do everything by hand from ground up.	14:05
Stork91	im running 5.2008.43-7	14:08
Stork91	that is the version number on my os	14:09
Stork91	sorry for the delay in response, I was giving another test / playing go fish with kids.	14:09
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Stork91	it listerally says OS5.2008.43-7	14:10
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ab3339	hello room	14:10
Stork91	OS version: 5.2008.43-7	14:10
lupu	Maybe CDC would be an option on the N900? Hmm...	14:12
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cos^	oh well.. qtify won't even compile against current libspotify	14:14
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cos^	i don't understand why it's so difficult to make a decent spotify client	14:15
cos^	there are tons of lastfm ones already for maemo	14:15
Stork91	Stskeeps: I have the latest version already on here.	14:15
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nid0	man, wifi switcher makes a massive difference to battery life	14:17
ab3339	how?	14:18
MohammadAG	so, does anyone know why this happened to my device http://i48.tinypic.com/a9fzr.png	14:18
nid0	its doubling my battery life keeping wifi disabled when its not being actively used	14:18
ab3339	you r talking about the "connection swictcher" applet?	14:18
nid0	no, wifi switcher in testing, to disable wlan entirely	14:19
MohammadAG	ab3339, wifi-switcher, it's in -testing afair(emember)	14:19
MohammadAG	^	14:19
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ab3339	muhammadag: u mean the "unknown" strings?	14:20
nid0	seems odd that the n900's handling of wifi is so hideously inefficient that even when it's just on standby but available it halves the device's battery life :\	14:20
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Stork91	trying to talk to the people at maemo about anything is like pulling your own teeth out with two steak knives by pinching them together tightly and hopingfor the best.	14:20
SpeedEvil	do you have powersaving disabled nid0?	14:20
Stork91	your going to bleed, youre going to go insane, and if anything comes of it, it will be because you said f#$% it, possibly break something, and managed to get one thing done at the cost of everything else.	14:20
nid0	no, powersaving enabled and tx set to 10mw	14:20
Stork91	<3	14:20
SpeedEvil	nid0: what battery life do you get?	14:21
nid0	with it set like that i get about 24 hours of battery life with light usage and the phone in range of wifi constantly, but not running im, not auto checking mail, and just updating weather every 4 hours	14:21
ab3339	stork91: really?	14:21
ab3339	:)	14:21
Stork91	Im going to figure out hwo to change my bootscreen on my n810 if it takes me forever.	14:21
nid0	with wifi switcher being used and disabling wlan when im not actively using it, im up to just under 48 hours now so far, with battery at 18%	14:21
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Stork91	I have no idea how to get to my root. I am Using windows xp on a work computer. I am using an n810, and I do not know how to access the root.	14:22
SpeedEvil	nid0: Do you care though?	14:22
SpeedEvil	nid0: what's wrong with charging it while you're asleep?	14:22
Stork91	all I want to do is change 2 images in a folder.	14:22
nid0	nothing, but legs are nice and it's just odd that purely having wifi available halves the battery life	14:22
ab3339	my battery life ends in just about 2 hours when i am constantly on the internet chatting and surfing	14:23
corecode	so...	14:23
corecode	is there a way to display nicknames in conversations?	14:23
nid0	which is quite astonishing, having come to my n900 from an e90 which could happily last the best part of a week with wifi available 24/7	14:23
lupu	nid0: Are you sure your AP supports power save polling?	14:23
ali1234	Stork91: "the root"?	14:23
nid0	it does	14:23
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Stork91	I want to change my bootscreen from the hands to an image.	14:24
ali1234	Stork91: yeah i got that part	14:24
Stork91	I am on a n810, and I have to do this from windows.	14:24
ali1234	Stork91: you are going to need to do it on the device	14:24
oly	if you have root enabled and ssh you can use putty in windows	14:24
MohammadAG	ab3339, yes, I get <unknown> in about product and in the output of set \| grep OSSO	14:24
ab3339	3g drains battery quicker,	14:24
Stork91	I do not know how to use putty.	14:25
Stork91	Ali1234: how?	14:25
oly	or filezilla if its just ti move files	14:25
nid0	ah yes, and those figures are with 3g disabled.	14:25
lupu	I haven't experienced any noticeable changes in battery time if I have WLAN idling vs off.	14:25
Stork91	ali1234: how do i do that on the device itself?	14:25
lupu	...although I haven't specifically tried to find a difference there, but if it were to half the battery time, I would have noticed it.	14:25
ali1234	Stork91: install the package that gives you root access and then do it in the terminal	14:25
Stork91	ali1234: how do i do it in terminal?	14:25
ali1234	Stork91: don't know off hand	14:26
corecode	install rootsh	14:26
corecode	via application manager	14:26
corecode	you need to enable the maemo.org repo	14:26
corecode	then in xterm, use sudo gainroot	14:26
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ali1234	Stork91: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=120352&postcount=20	14:27
ali1234	Stork91: i dunno if that is the right and tested way, it's what i found on google	14:27
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ali1234	Stork91: if you have trouble on a specific step i can try to help you	14:27
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nid0	lupu I cant say I was specifically trying either, and the 24 hour battery life i've been getting seems roughly what id expect with relatively light/moderate usage and 3g disabled going by other people's reports, with the device in range of configured wifi ap's essentially the whole time	14:27
nid0	i'm just suprised that i've now managed double that with wifi disabled when not using it	14:28
tybollt	MohammadAG: -> reflash ?	14:29
MohammadAG	tybollt, reflashed yesterday	14:29
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MohammadAG	same problem, before and after the reflash (well directly after the reflash it worked, after restoring settings, it didn't)	14:30
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tybollt	mmm	14:30
tybollt	wyrd	14:30
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MohammadAG	tybollt, would you mind pasting a copy of your /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh	14:31
MohammadAG	file	14:32
tybollt	sure	14:32
tybollt	you want my credit card numbers to go with that?	14:32
nid0	that'd be pretty handy, thanks	14:32
MohammadAG	lol	14:33
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w00t	goddammit it's cold today.	14:33
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tybollt	ugh it's 31 lines dude	14:35
tybollt	I'd have to ssh into the fscker to paste that	14:35
tybollt	:S	14:35
MohammadAG	use microb and pastebin?	14:35
MohammadAG	well, can you check something for me?	14:36
MohammadAG	here's my file, it should expire in 10 minutes http://pastebin.com/aKmUeCM7	14:36
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MohammadAG	it has /scratchbox in it, which is kind of weird	14:36
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tybollt	looks about right dun it?	14:37
tybollt	but oh well let me login and find out for ya	14:37
tybollt	blasted =)	14:37
MohammadAG	thanks :)	14:37
MohammadAG	line 106 btw	14:37
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MohammadAG	just cat /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh \| grep /scratchbox	14:38
nid0	fwiw, mine references scratchbox	14:38
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MohammadAG	afk for a bit	14:41
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lbt_	can we run openswan on the n900 ?	14:43
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Stork91	ali1234: remove 'qgn_indi_startup_nokia_logo.png' ? y	14:44
SpeedEvil	Can anyone point me at the script in early boot that execs a script if the keyboard is slid out?	14:44
Stork91	ali1234: cannot remove 'qgn_indi_startup_nokia_logo.png' : permission denied	14:44
Stork91	what am I missing that gives me the permission to edit the root?	14:45
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fiferboy	danielwilms: ping?	14:47
Stork91	I repeat a question I asked at the start of this inquery to this channel, how do I enable rd?	14:47
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Veggen	Stork: easiest to get root is to install gainroot (in repositories already?)	14:48
Veggen	and then: sudo gainroot to become root.	14:48
Stork91	I can do sudo gainroot	14:49
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Stork91	ive already spent 8 hours reading hwo to try to do this, mind just linking me?	14:49
lbt_	SpeedEvil: /sbin/preinit	14:49
Veggen	ah, but the root...hmm, it's in flash, yes.	14:49
lbt_	SpeedEvil: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/small-but-important-update-in-pr11.html	14:49
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marmoute	Is Thomas Tanner here ?	14:50
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lbt_	marmoute: he's t-tan fyi	14:51
Veggen	Stork91: then you can't easily do it.	14:51
Stork91	...	14:51
Stork91	no shit.	14:51
marmoute	lbt_: thx	14:52
danielwilms	fiferboy pong	14:52
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SpeedEvil	thnaks	14:54
SpeedEvil	;b	14:54
SpeedEvil	l	14:54
Veggen	Stork91: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 is a start.	14:56
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Veggen	you probably need to customize an image and flash it.	14:56
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danielwilms	fiferboy sorry, have to go to a meeting...will be back in an hour!	14:57
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Khertan	Hello every body !	14:58
Veggen	can't remember where you find the current image.	14:58
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Stork91	...	15:00
Stork91	maemo 4	15:00
Veggen	uh, might be wrong here.	15:00
Stork91	maemo 4	15:00
Veggen	oh, maemo 4.	15:00
Stork91	second tie youve pointed me to maemo 5 today though.	15:00
Stork91	I appreciate the attempt at help though atleast	15:00
ali1234	Stork91: you were root when you tried to delete the images?	15:01
Stork91	would you happen to know how to enable rd mode	15:01
ali1234	no	15:01
Stork91	I was in the directory where the files were	15:01
Stork91	All i need to know now is how to enable that.	15:01
Stork91	...	15:01
Stork91	i think	15:01
Stork91	hope	15:01
Stork91	pray	15:01
ali1234	no, rd mode will not help you	15:02
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ali1234	it will just make your battery wear out faster	15:02
tybollt	Khertan: Hello Dr Nick!	15:02
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Stork91	enabling it for a shor ttime to allow me to change the file isnt possible?	15:02
ali1234	no	15:02
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Stork91	cause that is all that blocks me from changing this.	15:03
Stork91	..	15:03
Stork91	gay.	15:03
ali1234	it won't give you any greater permission than you had before	15:03
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Khertan	tybollt: Dr Nick ?	15:03
Stork91	ive saved the intructions on how to do this tonight...	15:04
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Stork91	what do i have to do in order to midify the root?	15:04
Stork91	All i need to do is change out two files.	15:04
Stork91	THATS ALL	15:05
corecode	what's the problem?	15:05
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Stork91	I want to change the hands bootscreen image.	15:05
tybollt	Khertan: you don't watch simpson much - do you?	15:05
corecode	Stork91: in maemo 4	15:05
Stork91	yes.	15:05
tybollt	simpsons	15:05
ali1234	Stork91: all you need to do is be root when you copy over the new files	15:05
Stork91	thats all Ive wanted to do for 8 hours now.	15:05
Stork91	I was in root.	15:06
corecode	and?	15:06
Stork91	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=120352&postcount=20	15:06
Khertan	tybollt: ah ... it s not the same name in france :)	15:06
tybollt	Khertan: :P	15:06
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Khertan	h"h"	15:06
Khertan	héhé	15:06
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tybollt	I can't imagine simpsons dubbed in grenoullie :P	15:07
Stork91	when i type in "sude gainroot" I get a message taht says "enable rd mode to gain root privilages"	15:07
Corsac	tybollt: grenouille :)	15:07
Stork91	i still typed cd /usr/sahre/icons/hicolor/scalablehildon/	15:07
Corsac	Stork91: try ssh root@localhost, maybe	15:07
Stork91	it went there.	15:07
MohammadAG	Stork91, rootsh	15:07
Corsac	Stork91: you're obviously not root, though	15:08
Stork91	then I typed rm *startup_nokia_logo.png	15:08
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Stork91	I got the confirmation and typed yes	15:08
MohammadAG	but you weren't root, so nothing happened	15:08
Stork91	rm: cannot remove '(file name here).png' : permision denied.	15:08
MohammadAG	:/	15:09
MohammadAG	<Corsac> Stork91: you're obviously not root, though	15:09
Stork91	ok so how do i try ssh root@localhost ?	15:09
ali1234	no no no	15:09
ali1234	if you seen that rd mode message when trying to sudo gainroot it means you did not install the package that gives you root	15:10
Stork91	so which package do i need to become root?	15:10
ali1234	rootsh	15:10
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Stork91	is there a way to install this without using the .install?	15:12
ali1234	yes, use the application manager	15:12
Stork91	I dont ahve a wifi handy	15:12
Khertan	tybollt: as homer said here : Espèce de sale pitit !	15:12
ali1234	oh, then no, not really	15:12
Stork91	use the application manager on what?	15:12
ali1234	on the n810	15:12
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Stork91	lol.	15:12
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Stork91	ok, so this will have to wiat till tomorrow then after i install rootsh then.	15:12
Stork91	;-p	15:12
ali1234	if you already had rootsh installed, you could get the deb file and install manually with dpkg	15:13
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ali1234	but since you don't, you can't	15:13
Stork91	nice	15:13
Stork91	lol	15:13
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areay	hi all... anyone know why there's still no 3.2010.02-8 fw update for the n900 in the uk? everywhere else got it on the 16th...	15:13
ali1234	no, nobody knows why...	15:13
lbt_	yeah, I got it on a pre-production but my wife hasn't	15:14
Stork91	well, thats my dead end for tonight.	15:14
ali1234	you get it if you have the global firmware installed	15:14
areay	is it worth flashing and using global? or should i wait	15:14
mgedmin	areay, fwiw I never saw the pr1.0.1 and pr1.1 updates in my HAM	15:14
Stork91	goodnight guys, and stay class san fran	15:14
ali1234	maybe the bugs it fixes are not present in the UK firmware?	15:14
Stork91	I may be on from home where i can bum a wifi.	15:14
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Khertan	you could install deb withtout wifi	15:14
Stork91	ttyl	15:14
mgedmin	areay, then I discovered that HAM doesn't show firmware updates if it thinks it cannot install them, e.g. you replaced some OS package with an alternative	15:14
Khertan	with the app manager in red pill on maemo 4	15:15
Stork91	... red pill	15:15
nid0	areay - definitely flash to global, imo	15:15
Stork91	ill get that tonight as well	15:15
Stork91	lol	15:15
RST38h	mgedmin: This, actually, is only partially true	15:15
MohammadAG	doesn't the N810 have red pill mode?	15:15
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Khertan	the n810 have a HAM red pill mode	15:15
MohammadAG	(afaik only the N900 (51-1 and above) had it removed)	15:16
Stork91	so I can do this from here?	15:16
MohammadAG	then Stork91 can download the deb and install it	15:16
Stork91	can anyone point me to the .deb ?	15:16
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RST38h	mgedmin: Sometimes it shows the update but refuses to install it without stating the reason why	15:16
areay	nid0, is there any uk-specific stuff i'm gonna lose?	15:16
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MohammadAG	http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.1/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb	15:16
nid0	no - as far as anyone (including me) can tell, theres zero difference between the uk and global firmwares	15:17
MohammadAG	assuming I got the OS right	15:17
mgedmin	RST38h, well, for me it didn't show any updates, although I could try apt-get dist-upgrade -n in xterm and see new kernel and lots of other things	15:17
mgedmin	I reflashed	15:17
areay	sweet i'll give it a go	15:17
nid0	other than the fact that nokia suck and wont release updates for the uk firmware.	15:17
tybollt	Khertan: tres bien	15:17
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areay	haha	15:17
mgedmin	nid0, AFAIU the rootfs image has no country-specific things; the MMC image has them	15:17
tybollt	olrite, everyone voting to change the name of MER to MEH... join me now ;)	15:18
MohammadAG	mgedmin, there's only one vanilla eMMC image	15:18
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mgedmin	yep	15:18
RST38h	mgedmin: You probably do not wanna do dist-upgrade =)	15:18
mgedmin	RST38h, that's that I thought too, so I reflashed	15:18
RST38h	mgedmin: For me, removing libqt packages worked	15:18
MohammadAG	RST38h, found that out the hard way lol	15:18
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areay	what's wrong with dist-upgrade?	15:18
RST38h	mgedmin: then I updated with apt-get install	15:18
mgedmin	areay, things could break	15:18
MohammadAG	it rendered my device unbootable	15:18
areay	mgedmin, ah... there's me apt'ing like crazy	15:19
nid0	as a uk user you still wont get the upgrade from it anyway	15:19
Khertan	http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill-stable.html	15:19
Khertan	an old link	15:19
mgedmin	well, the fix is reflashing, so "reflashing to avoid apt-get dist-upgrade breakage" is kind of silly	15:19
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mgedmin	then again if it turns out you'll need to reflash, you'd save time by avoiding the dist-upgrade	15:19
* RST38h hates reflashing		15:19
mgedmin	areay, apt-get install should be safe, unless you replace/remove core system packages	15:20
* MohammadAG hates restoring apps		15:20
nid0	tbh, reflashing the n900 is about as painless as any phone ever has been	15:20
* mgedmin never reflashed any phone		15:20
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mgedmin	it's maybe less painful than, e.g. reinstalling windows	15:20
areay	not less painful than using windows tho	15:20
mgedmin	backups generally just work (except gPodder forgets its subscriptions -- has that been fixed yet?)	15:21
MohammadAG	I hate windows	15:21
MohammadAG	it's a shame I have to use it for compatibilty on one PC	15:21
areay	i won't allow it in my office ;)	15:21
areay	i've confiscated people's windows laptops before	15:21
MohammadAG	lol	15:21
nid0	the only wierd thing I find with restoring backups is that the device is somehow able to bypass requiring a pin for the sim card in the process	15:21
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gouverneur	areay: its a security risk, isnt it... ;)	15:22
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areay	gouverneur, yup... exactly; flawed by design :)	15:24
areay	anyone got a link for the maemo-flasher and the new fw? i had it yesterday but lost it... and don't wanna go digging thru my history	15:26
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Stork91	ok	15:27
Stork91	I installed it	15:27
Stork91	and i think ideleted it in the root	15:27
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Stork91	but now it wont change the directory of the new file to the root...	15:27
Stork91	which basically means it wont boot now after i restart afaik	15:27
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MohammadAG	areay, tablets-dev.nokia.com ?	15:31
areay	MohammadAG, that's the one, thanks ;)	15:32
MohammadAG	np :)	15:33
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Stork91	Just fucking worked	15:40
Stork91	ali1234: I love you.	15:40
Stork91	No realy.	15:40
ali1234	heh, thanks :)	15:40
Stork91	If ali is your name, and youre a chick... well... I would find a way through medical science to carry your kids.	15:40
Stork91	if youre a guy, offers off the table cause thats gay.	15:41
Stork91	;-p	15:41
Stork91	<3	15:41
zaheer__	areay, i got my update to 2010-02-8 in the UK	15:41
Myrtti	Stork91: http://beeroverip.org/about/	15:42
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Stork91	something abotu that scream nsfw	15:43
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zaheerm	areay, my isp when i got it was bethere but i have one of the maemo summit loaner units	15:43
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Stork91	I will check it from home on my n810	15:43
Stork91	Peace out!	15:43
Stork91	Seriously, thanks a ton man.	15:44
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areay	zaheerm, ah yeah the summit ones update i think... mine's with vodafone and it wouldn't surprise me if it's still in QC at vodafone	15:45
Khertan	Does there is maemo package expert here ?	15:45
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zaheerm	areay, a reason not to get phones from carriers	15:46
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jebba	Khertan: expert may be a bit bold, but if you ask your question, you may get an answer.	15:46
Khertan	:)	15:46
Khertan	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9218 <---	15:46
povbot	Bug 9218: Bugtracker link invalid when link is an email	15:46
Khertan	question in last comment	15:46
Khertan	thx for help :)	15:46
SpeedEvil	zaheerm: not here.	15:47
jebba	Khertan: take a look at this now: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.4-1/ The bugtracker link looks fixed.	15:48
Khertan	but .... when i read comment #3 ... it s claimed that it s not the right field used	15:49
areay	zaheerm, one of many :P	15:49
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jebba	Khertan: i dont really ge the comment either, as it all looks like it's good to me.	15:50
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Khertan	hum ... this problem will make me crazy !	15:50
Khertan	i'm trying to push my game to extras since 2 weeks !	15:51
Khertan	one day more, and it ll take more time to do the packaging than the developpment !	15:51
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Arif_	hmmm	15:52
Arif_	I seem to have the battery problem too	15:52
ukki	anyone know how i can build-depend on a specific version of something? using (= version) doesn't work in builder	15:52
Arif_	:D	15:52
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* Khertan think that it s more simple to make it s own repository than trying to push things to extras		15:53
RST38h	Khertan: Welcome to reality :)	15:54
Khertan	gniagniagnia !	15:54
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* Khertan is angry !		15:54
pillar_	Khertan: you shoul pålay with symbian signed for a little bit :)	15:54
mgedmin	Khertan, true, but for your users it's easier to get things from extras	15:55
Khertan	i ve play with it .... result on : "avoid that plateform"	15:55
pillar_	extras might feel better afterwards	15:55
mgedmin	the extras-devel -> extras hurdle might be too difficult, though	15:55
pillar_	Khertan: :)	15:55
tybollt	Khertan: merde! Sacre bleu! Putain!	15:55
ShadowJK	I hate random one-person's repositories that always conflict with everything else	15:55
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Khertan	yep ... but a well made repository with python apps doesn't conflict with anythings	15:56
Khertan	or maybe i should just do a simple installer apps push to extras	15:56
frals	or just upload to -devel push to testing, get it tested and then promote?	15:58
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ShadowJK	Well, a well made app has no problem being in extras ;-)	15:59
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mgedmin	Khertan, personal repo for personal testing == goodness	16:01
mgedmin	extras-devel for everyone else	16:01
mgedmin	let the community push it to extras if they like it a lot	16:01
Khertan	mgedmin: personnal repo test == OK	16:01
mgedmin	am I a bad person for suggesting this?	16:01
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mgedmin	my couple attempts of "let's look for good apps in extras-testing and help them along to get into extras" failed	16:02
mgedmin	I stared at the list and couldn't decide what I should do next	16:02
ShadowJK	lol	16:02
ShadowJK	I voted a for a few... openpvn, rsync, 3g/2g/dual mode switcher..	16:02
mgedmin	e.g. xchat -- is it extras-worthy? no kinetic scrolling, crashes if you try to open preferences	16:02
ShadowJK	I think the crash is fixed	16:02
mgedmin	but I use it anyway and find it better than not to have an irc client at all	16:02
mgedmin	yeah, I last looked at the extras process a while ago	16:02
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RST38h	mgedmin: it crashes? really?	16:03
* mgedmin sighs		16:03
jebba	crash is long since fixed in xchat afaict	16:03
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mgedmin	RST38h, used to	16:03
Khertan	web ui ... QA TEsting on extras-testing FAIL	16:03
frals	uh, ui/ux stuff shouldnt block an app from getting to extras afaik	16:03
Khertan	it s a real pain	16:03
RST38h	mgedmin: Have you actually TRIED the last version?	16:03
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* RST38h sighs		16:03
Khertan	and of course migrate to rpm will be worse	16:03
mgedmin	RST38h, I'm telling you about my dillemmas several months ago and why I gave up on extras-testing	16:03
mgedmin	I didn't feel qualified to make decisions	16:03
RST38h	mgedmin: You have given up too early	16:04
mgedmin	right	16:04
* villemv spent a while messing with CDBS today... and is welcoming the rpm overlords		16:04
mgedmin	I have a tendency to do that :(	16:04
jebba	well at least the site is probably fast to do it now. Last i tried it was like a 30 minute process to hit "thumbs up" if you were lucky enough for it to go thru	16:04
Khertan	someone can give me an answer on what field should be in the control file ?	16:04
Khertan	XSBC-Bugtracker ?	16:04
Khertan	or Butracker	16:04
Khertan	or Bugtracker	16:05
jebba	Khertan: afaict you have it correct. Just ignore comment #3 for now.	16:05
X-Fade	Khertan: The first.	16:05
Khertan	Maemo-Display-Name	16:05
Khertan	or XB-Maemo-Display-Name	16:05
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X-Fade	Khertan: X variant in control.	16:05
Khertan	so comment #3 here are wrong ? -> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9218	16:05
povbot	Bug 9218: Bugtracker link invalid when link is an email	16:05
X-Fade	Khertan: Read the package guide.	16:06
Khertan	X-Fade: it wasn't in it last time i see it :)	16:06
jebba	Khertan: it is rendering correctly on the package listing page now too	16:06
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X-Fade	Khertan:	16:07
X-Fade	Khertan: X tells that it's a user defined field	16:07
X-Fade	S tells that field will be copied to source package control file	16:07
X-Fade	B tells that field will be copied to binary package control file	16:07
X-Fade	C tells that field will be copied upload control file	16:07
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Khertan	so it should be always for both XSBC	16:08
X-Fade	So, it makes sense to have XSBC for bugtracker.	16:08
X-Fade	But pretty name is only for B.	16:08
X-Fade	So XB	16:08
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Khertan	hum ... yes as pretty name not display on source of course :)	16:09
Khertan	but the resulting name field in the .deb package is the exactly the same (XSBC-Bugtracker:) or it doesn't contain XSBC option (Bugtracker:)	16:10
Khertan	?	16:10
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X-Fade	Khertan: In Packages it will then end up as Bugtracker:	16:10
Khertan	so comment #3 ok ...	16:11
Khertan	thanks for explaining me that X-Fade	16:11
X-Fade	Khertan: But in your source package it needs to be XSBC-Bugtracker yes.	16:11
Khertan	i ll also fix pypackager to avoid all this wrong package :)	16:11
Khertan	so yep control file for source and binary as to be different	16:12
Khertan	thx a lot ...	16:12
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Khertan	http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing <-- does this isn't the right document ? no talk of Bugtracker :)	16:14
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* Shapeshifter needs to get him self a scrren protector multipack		16:15
ShadowJK	the durasec cleartec ones come in fives.. but they're garbage	16:15
frals	Khertan: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging	16:15
Shapeshifter	these things scratch easily. especially as my stylus seems to have caugh a grain of sand or something	16:15
thresh	i've already cracked the screen a bit	16:16
Shapeshifter	I have a clearteq. or a highteq. or the third one, dont know	16:16
Khertan	frals: thx	16:16
ShadowJK	the cleartec one scratches like mad, and it doesn't stick to the screen very well	16:16
* thresh needs a rugged case		16:16
thresh	so i can easily play n900 fly or whatever the name is	16:17
Shapeshifter	ShadowJK: ay, mine doesnt really stick. but i like the feel of it	16:17
* ShadowJK nods		16:17
Khertan	X-Fade: so #9218 isn't really a bug	16:18
X-Fade	No, that is WORKSFORME :)	16:18
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Khertan	X-Fade: yep ... better than invalid ... true ... :)	16:23
tybollt	everytime I get a "worksforme" back to $question_about_fail I murder a kitteh! >:)	16:23
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gouverneur	bug 9218	16:26
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9218 Bugtracker link invalid when link is an email	16:26
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shinkamui	ha ha!	16:40
shinkamui	I love myself	16:40
shinkamui	:)	16:40
Stskeeps	good :P	16:40
Corsac	please cleanup after that	16:41
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shinkamui	no need, always love myself into a sock	16:41
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sp3000	have we gotten confused with #meamo again	16:43
pupnik_	how many months before the outstanding bugs and annoyances are made irrelevant by the next device	16:47
Sargun	Do we have MMS yet?	16:47
Corsac	fMMS	16:48
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crashanddie	which stands for fuck MMS	16:48
Sargun	so, is MMS even on the roadmap?	16:48
crashanddie	Sargun: fMMS	16:49
pupnik_	sargun WHY...	16:49
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Sargun	pupnik, because more people use MMS on their phones than email	16:51
jebba	....citation needed....	16:52
ShadowJK	lol	16:52
Sargun	rather, more of my friends use MMS on their phones.	16:52
nid0	thats your statistical group?	16:53
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tybollt	crashanddie: no it's fapMMS, duuh... since he already elaborated on the "f" part by making that other app "fapn" :P	16:53
zaheerm	Sargun is probably correct	16:53
Khertan	re	16:53
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pupnik_	well that is valid	16:53
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zaheerm	but it isn't true surely on higher end users or users of high end phones	16:54
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Corsac	zaheerm: the point is, your correspondant might not be a user of high end phone	16:54
Corsac	which is the point when you need to send stuff	16:55
zaheerm	yes	16:55
nid0	plenty of low end older phones dont support mms either, what if the recipient owns one of those?	16:55
nid0	emailing's still easier.	16:55
zaheerm	nid0, plenty of low end phone users don't have an email account	16:55
Sargun	Often I flirt with chicks who do not have email capabilities on their phones.	16:55
Sargun	I want to send them sexy pictures of myself, and want to be able to receive their sexy picture.	16:56
Sargun	This is a bug.	16:56
nid0	so install fmms	16:56
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zaheerm	hence nokia pushing their nokiamessaging in s40 and in developing markets	16:56
nid0	it isnt a bug.	16:56
pupnik_	sargun with the KO	16:56
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glass	mms receiving support would at least be something to have, otherwise your granny will think your phone sucks since you can't receive pics of her muffins	16:56
Kegetys	buy them a decent phone as a present	16:56
Sargun	Bah.	16:56
nid0	except, practically everywhere in the world you can receive her pics	16:56
jebba	Sargun did you miss the part about MMS being available?	16:56
Sargun	jebba, via fMMS?	16:56
nid0	certainly every network I know of, if your phone cant receive mms youll get either a push sms or an email	16:57
jebba	isn't it	16:57
jebba	?	16:57
nid0	containing the original mms's image	16:57
ShadowJK	nid0, it varies alot	16:57
ShadowJK	nid0, for example, all networks I know of let you enter an email address instead of a phone number when you send an mms ;-)	16:57
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Khertan	http://www.ambrosiasw.com/games/sketchfighter/ <--- nice arcade shoot em up	16:57
Khertan	i like the style	16:57
nid0	exactly, both work	16:57
Sargun	jebba, Eh, I'll probably enable extras-devel and install it	16:57
Khertan	after the vector style maybe i should try one like this one	16:57
nid0	I cant name a network that wont deliver you the message as either a push sms or an email, if you receive an mms and your phone doesnt support it	16:58
ShadowJK	nid0, Elisa/Saunalahti for one	16:58
ShadowJK	:D	16:58
X-Fade	nid0: sms with url to web viewer for me.	16:58
ShadowJK	Although their rival DNA does it	16:58
nid0	exactly	16:58
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Khertan	nid0: Orange ... send you an sms saying that the mms has been reject as your phone don't support it	16:59
Khertan	:)	16:59
Corsac	nid0: though if your phone as access to mail or web, the point is moot, a direct mail is easier	16:59
nid0	you might have a setting to change then, I have friends on orange who just get an email with the mms attached, same as o2 do	16:59
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Corsac	nid0: but I guess there are more phones/contracts with MMS and no mail/web than the opposite	17:00
nid0	Corsac, the point was brought up about a granny sending you an mms on your shiny n900 that you cant receive, thats what im answering.	17:00
Corsac	one exception being the stock n900 :)	17:00
Corsac	nid0: oh :)	17:00
Corsac	soorry	17:00
nid0	if your n900 cant access email, ur doin it rong	17:00
Khertan	nid0: not in france	17:00
Khertan	:)	17:00
nid0	bummer	17:00
nid0	france for you, i guess :(	17:00
Corsac	Khertan: my n900 can access mail :)	17:01
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nid0	he means Orange in france receiving mms's	17:01
nid0	and just rejecting them	17:01
fiferboy	danielwilms: back?	17:01
Corsac	oh	17:01
Khertan	yes your n900 can access mail ... but orange didn't relay mms to email	17:01
Corsac	ok	17:01
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Corsac	(I'm not sure anyone tried to send me mms)	17:01
Corsac	(now if someone did, i just didnt receive them at all so...)	17:01
Khertan	(no one use it in france too high priced)	17:01
Corsac	I'm not so sure about that	17:02
Khertan	yeah except pokemon of course	17:02
nid0	mms's are basically free on contracts in the uk, they just come out of your sms contract allowance	17:02
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crashanddie	I'm off to bed people	17:02
Khertan	most contract include sms free now ... but mms aren't	17:02
crashanddie	have a good one	17:02
andrewfblack	Stskeeps: Just doing my daily Bugging	17:03
Stskeeps	andrewfblack: right, so, is the idea to have a shared set of icons amongst many themes?	17:03
Stskeeps	or one set per theme	17:03
andrewfblack	one set per theme or in some cases multiple themes might share one custom set	17:04
Stskeeps	mmk	17:04
andrewfblack	so one set per theme but I might make say variations of one theme in color but want to use the same icon set. I guess in that case each theme could still have its own set but would save space if you used same set not to have copies of it	17:06
Stskeeps	mm	17:06
Stskeeps	remember if LCARS provided icons in their themes?	17:06
andrewfblack	they did	17:07
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Khertan	and if i want one icon from one set	17:07
Stskeeps	and different per themes?	17:07
Khertan	and the rest from other ?	17:07
Khertan	made one package by icon !	17:07
Khertan	:)	17:07
andrewfblack	I even provided icons in some of my but that when I used to use TM to build deb then I tore it apart and rebuild it with icons added	17:08
andrewfblack	basiclly you have to install the icon folder and set the icon folder in the theme file	17:08
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, still not less whorish. :P	17:09
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GeneralAntilles	Khertan, too bad ASW hasn't made a fun game since Redline. :\	17:09
Khertan	GeneralAntilles: really ?	17:10
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GeneralAntilles	Khertan, sadly.	17:10
Khertan	i stop playing there game with EV Nova :)	17:10
andrewfblack	really icons could be a seporate package just point theme to icon folder if its not their the theme will use hicolor. Then you could have a packge for icons if users wanted them	17:11
GeneralAntilles	Khertan, AmbrosiaSW shaped my youth with stuff like Avara, Ares, Escape Velocity, Harry the Handsome Executive, Chiral, Barrack and several others	17:11
Khertan	i'm remembering the old day when i was young playing Escape Velocity on my macIIsi	17:11
GeneralAntilles	But they've been pretty much shit since 2007.	17:11
Khertan	oh yes Harry the HE !	17:11
GeneralAntilles	I miss the days when they were a real publisher instead of just a porting house.	17:12
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Khertan	i'm thinking of making an other shoot em up with a pencil style :)	17:12
GeneralAntilles	Do it.	17:12
GeneralAntilles	I'll pay, even.	17:12
Khertan	just hope that pygame will be able to render it well ... as scrolling is a bit slow	17:13
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Khertan	maybe loading level in a big image	17:13
Khertan	and scrolling then	17:13
Khertan	i ll try that this evening in the train :)	17:16
Khertan	GeneralAntilles: did you have try vectormine ?	17:16
GeneralAntilles	Khertan, haven't gotten around to it yet.	17:16
Khertan	ah yep :)	17:16
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GeneralAntilles	Currently sending snarky responses to Quim on MeeGo-community about Ovi.	17:16
Khertan	still not in extras due to problem to package it :)	17:16
Khertan	MeeGo-community ?	17:17
GeneralAntilles	Anybody else think [Meego-community] just takes up too much damn space on the subject line?	17:17
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Khertan	Ovi ?	17:17
Khertan	what that	17:17
Khertan	:)	17:17
Khertan	as i cannot sell a game on ovi i ve created my own paiement system (paypal afaik)	17:17
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RST38h	Khertan: you can use a credit card processor like eSellerate	17:18
RST38h	General: MeeGommunity	17:18
RST38h	here, save 3 chars	17:19
Khertan	RST38h: yep ... you can also paid by credit card with a paypal business account	17:19
nid0	RST38h paypal's generally cheaper for low-volume though, and can accept cards	17:19
Khertan	NoGoCommunity save an other char	17:19
Khertan	:)	17:19
RST38h	nid0: they are creepy motherfuckers	17:19
Khertan	nid0: and cheaper for low priced.	17:19
Khertan	RST38h: ?	17:19
nid0	yes, paypal are a bunch of creepy fuckers but its convenient and effective and mostly works	17:19
Khertan	RST38h: i never got any problem with paypal	17:19
RST38h	Khertan: May hold your money refusing to give it back to you. Require weird authentication.	17:20
Khertan	RST38h: ah ... :)	17:20
RST38h	Khertan: I tried to implement paypal payment option but it was so much trouble that I dropped it	17:20
Khertan	RST38h: it s easy to implement	17:20
RST38h	Khertan: If it happens that someone wants to pay with paypal, I process payment manually	17:20
nid0	easy to implement and easy to use, just make sure to withdraw from paypal to bank often	17:20
Khertan	i can give you my php script to handle paiement notification	17:21
RST38h	nid0: eSellerate is a bunch of less creepy fucker that also works	17:21
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Khertan	so it s send automatically registration code for sharewares :)	17:21
RST38h	Khertan: Definitely not doing this with custom php scripts.	17:21
RST38h	Besides, I watermark binaries and need Symbian toolchain for signing the .sis files	17:22
Khertan	currently it s my own script ... so i know what they do	17:22
Khertan	watermark isn't too difficult to do in php (i was doing it for an old palm application=	17:22
Khertan	)	17:22
Khertan	but signing is an other pain :)	17:22
* Khertan is listening Today we are all demons - Combichrist		17:23
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Khertan	There are two cases where this technique just won't work. The first is where the whole window or screen really is being updated every frame - think of a smooth-scrolling engine like an overhead real-time strategy game or a side-scroller. So what do you do in this case? Well, the short answer is - don't write this kind of game in pygame	17:26
Khertan	oopps	17:26
RST38h	This sounds suspiciously like MIDP =)	17:27
* mgedmin writes this kind of games in pygame and then runs them on really powerful computers		17:27
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* RST38h runs this kind of games in MSX emulator =)		17:27
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* Khertan want to make it running on n900 :)		17:29
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Khertan	But most of the time ... some trivial tricks optimize really the things	17:29
Khertan	like using cos and sin ...	17:29
Khertan	in a game one degree precise is enought	17:30
Khertan	so using a simple array is enough	17:30
* mgedmin recommends profiling		17:30
mgedmin	I taught a python class one day and demoed profiling to find out where the time is spent in a simple pygame toy -- turned out 90% of the time was spent in pygame.display.update()	17:31
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mgedmin	full-screen updates every frame are painful	17:31
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mgedmin	pyspacewar on a n810 was just a slide show	17:32
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Corsac	and your battery loves it	17:32
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* RST38h recommends using a compiled language		17:32
tybollt	too fast, needs to be slow as interpreted RST38h	17:33
marienz	well, if you're spending 90% of your time in pygame.display.update() won't make things go any faster, that's the point :)	17:33
marienz	err, a compiled language won't...	17:33
* RST38h isnt sure what display.update() is then		17:34
* RST38h thought it was the screen redraw		17:34
marienz	it is, but that just calls into libsdl, which is already written in a compiled language, if I'm not completely confused.	17:35
* marienz checks		17:35
* GeneralAntilles can't believe bergie decided bugs were less useful than Thanks!		17:35
RST38h	You cannot draw your actual graphics by just calling libsdl	17:35
RST38h	General: More importantly, why has he changed the formula without consulting with everyone?	17:36
* GeneralAntilles notes bugzilla comments are also considered half as useful as maemo.org comments.		17:36
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, no idea.	17:36
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Corsac	is the current formula available somewhere?	17:36
RST38h	He is entitled to have his own opinions, but doesn't this require public discussion before the changes are made?	17:37
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Probably just missing a modifier value.	17:37
marienz	RST38h: yes, but if you're spending the majority of your time in pygame.display.update that seems to mean you're actually mostly stuck in SDL_UpdateRects. So micro-optimizing your python code or translating it to a compiled language won't really help if you end up making roughly the same calls into sdl.	17:37
tybollt	GeneralAntilles: URL? what is this?	17:37
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Anyway, easyfix.	17:37
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, indeed, but still http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=541878&postcount=158	17:37
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: As long as there is concensus.	17:37
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, that's the problem. ;)	17:38
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: yeah.	17:38
GeneralAntilles	There WASN'T consensus on a number of changes.	17:38
derf	He's just following the formula: http://lwn.net/Articles/370157/	17:38
RST38h	then the formula got somehow screwed up	17:39
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: The sqrt is probably fine. But needs a bigger modifier.	17:39
derf	No, it's under item #4.	17:39
RST38h	derf: ah this one =)	17:39
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RST38h	marienz: if it is in fact display update, then it can have any number of reasons, from python code taking too much time to draw, to python code updating too large rectnagles, to some problem with libsdl	17:40
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RST38h	marienz: either way, I get fastest results by redrawing the whole screen directly into /dev/fb0, in C, no Python or SDL required	17:41
marienz	RST38h: "python code taking too much time to draw" would normally show up in the profile mentioned above. "python code updating too large rectangles" is definitely possible, but translating to a different language doesn't help. My point is that you either need to make different calls into libSDL (for which the language used doesn't matter much) or stop using libSDL (for which yes, you might need a different language too)	17:42
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: I'll stop publishing it then ;-p	17:42
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RST38h	marienz: this again depends on your game model, as Khertan justly noted	17:42
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* marienz must admit that oversimplified claims about performance of python code work a bit like the proverbial red rag works on a bull on him		17:43
RST38h	marienz: So far, it sounds similar to MIDP: Java is a slow, often interpreted language. MIDP gets around this by using native-code moving objects engine	17:43
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ali1234	i get the best speed out of my car by ripping out the back seats and spare tyre. doesn't mean everyone should do it :)	17:44
RST38h	marienz: while your game can operate with those objects, or sprites, if you wish, MIDP is relatively fine to use	17:44
marienz	sure	17:44
RST38h	marienz: but as soon as you get into scrolling or full screen effects of some kind, ou are fucked	17:44
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RST38h	marienz: (notice that the ancient videogame hardware used exactly the same principles to get around low CPU performance)	17:45
marienz	RST38h: but if you're spending 90% of your time in pygame.display.update you are still in the state where you can relatively sensibly use pygame, if you know what I mean :)	17:45
RST38h	Only they implemented their scrolling, sprites, and tiles in hardware	17:45
RST38h	marienz: Not entirely :)	17:45
marienz	if you're actually updating individual pixels in a pygame surface you wouldn't spend 90% of your time in that function.	17:45
marienz	(many individual pixels, I mean)	17:45
ali1234	right, update() is how you signal dirty rects to the native SDL code	17:46
RST38h	marienz: actually, just read diescription of display.update()	17:46
marienz	(I haven't used pygame on an n900, but I have used pygame, and like to think I have some rough idea of how it performs)	17:46
corecode	i'm searching for a getting things done application	17:47
RST38h	marienz: If pygame is really clever, you may well be DRAWING in display.update() without knowning of it	17:47
corecode	any ideas?	17:47
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RST38h	marienz: Imagine situation where pygame actually accumulates your drawing requests (like line/circle/blit/etc) but does not execute them until you do the display.update()	17:47
marienz	RST38h: I don't know of a way to end up back in python code from pygame.display.update.	17:47
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RST38h	marienz: At this point, it will only execute requests for the rectangle you are updating	17:48
RST38h	marienz: You will not end up in the python code. You will end up in the graphics library code instead.	17:48
marienz	RST38h: I'm still commenting on your "rewrite it in a compiled language".	17:48
RST38h	marienz: Yea, but I guess we agreed on this already: if it does a lot of drawing then do rewrite it	17:48
ali1234	and the grphics library is SDL, written in C. and it still sucks	17:49
marienz	RST38h: I'm operating on the assumption that you'd still use libSDL in that language (that is: we're comparing libSDL driven from python to libSDL driven from a language like C)	17:49
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RST38h	marienz: LibSDL does not do anything special. It opens you a window or a screen and lets you copy images there	17:49
marienz	RST38h: I get the feeling you switched to comparing python + pygame to some other language + direct framebuffer access to some point, and I missed that.	17:49
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marienz	s/to/at/	17:49
infobot	marienz meant: RST38h: I get the feeling you switched at comparing python + pygame to some other language + direct framebuffer access to some point, and I missed that.	17:49
marienz	no I didn't!	17:50
marienz	bleh, you get the idea :)	17:50
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RST38h	marienz: No, I just read the display.update() documentation and got a suspicion of how pygame would do all the drawing in display.update() without you knowing it	17:50
RST38h	marienz: It is actually a very common approach. I think even X11 implements it.	17:51
lcuk	a game usually has quite sophisticated rules engine and state, manipulating this using a compiled language is the principle place you gain speed over python. for an entirely library driven/no progressing macro calling a c library, it shouldnt really matter what you use	17:51
marienz	RST38h: for certain values of "drawing", yes, I think you're right. But if we're comparing python + pygame to c + libsdl that is irrelevant.	17:51
marienz	RST38h: so are we comparing python + pygame to c + libsdl? :)	17:51
ali1234	pygame is written in C anyway	17:51
ali1234	the only part that is python is the part where you call update()	17:51
ali1234	or w/e	17:51
RST38h	marienz: naah, not touching c+libsdl at the moment	17:51
* marienz boggles		17:51
ali1234	what lcuk said ^	17:51
* marienz resets		17:52
Khertan	re	17:52
RST38h	warm reset or cold reset? =)	17:52
Khertan	sometime updating the whole screen can be faster ... for example on vectormine it s ...	17:52
marienz	RST38h: I started this because I thought you were claiming rewriting the python parts in c, while still using libSDL, would help for a python app spending most of its time in pygame.display.update. I don't think that makes sense. I get the feeling we're not arguing about the same thing now :)	17:53
Khertan	as it doesn't have to save old position ... new one	17:53
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RST38h	"Apple is advertising for an Engineering Manager to take the iPhone OS onto new platforms and new hardware, extending the OS"	17:53
ali1234	i got better performance with one huge texture over a tile engine	17:53
RST38h	marienz: naah, it does not make sense	17:53
marienz	yay!	17:53
marienz	I keep doing that, arguing with someone I actually agree with	17:53
tybollt	\o/	17:53
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Khertan	and rewrite to c instead of python is a stupid loss of time	17:54
Khertan	most of the time it s due to an misunderstanding of how python works	17:55
Khertan	and optimize things a bit is better	17:55
marienz	oh, I've rewritten bits of python to c as a python extension module	17:55
marienz	it sometimes does make sense, this just wasn't one of those cases :)	17:56
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Khertan	Local variables are faster than globals	17:57
Khertan	Avoid calling functions written in Python in your inner loop. This includes lambdas. In-lining the inner loop can save a lot of time.	17:57
* RST38h wonders how marienz would do dynamic YUV movie rendering in Python		17:57
Khertan	Use intrinsic operations. An implied loop in map() is faster than an explicit for loop; a while loop with an explicit loop counter is even slower.	17:58
Scelt_	last http 10	17:58
marienz	RST38h: not.	17:58
Khertan	RST38h: use gstreamer	17:58
Khertan	it s done for that :)	17:58
marienz	something like that, probably, yes.	17:58
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dracflamloc	anyone here know of a QR code scanning program for the n900?	18:05
Corsac	mbarcode?	18:05
dracflamloc	cool thanks	18:06
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slonopotamus	why html markup doesn't render in gtk widgets in maemo?	18:11
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slonopotamus	correction: do they not render at all or only for me?	18:13
slonopotamus	s/do they/does it/	18:13
infobot	slonopotamus meant: correction: does it not render at all or only for me?	18:13
RST38h	Khertan: What if the YUV image does not come from a video file?	18:14
RST38h	Still gstreamer? :)	18:14
* luke-jr ponders		18:14
luke-jr	s/d/o/	18:14
luke-jr	meh	18:14
luke-jr	why didn't infobot do that one? O.o	18:15
Corsac	s/ders/ies	18:15
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luke-jr	s/info/stupid/	18:15
infobot	luke-jr meant: why didn't stupidbot do that one? O.o	18:15
luke-jr	s/do/change/	18:15
Corsac	luke-jr: it doesn't do /me	18:15
infobot	luke-jr meant: why didn't infobot change that one? O.o	18:15
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GeneralAntilles	luke-jr, doesn't handle ACTION	18:15
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luke-jr	fine	18:15
Corsac	ha, nokia brazil is down	18:16
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luke-jr	must be a conspiracy. blame Stskeeps	18:16
luke-jr	<.<	18:16
Stskeeps	i'm behind it all!	18:16
Stskeeps	:P	18:16
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Khertan	RST38h: yes ... still gstreamer :)	18:17
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Khertan	it can encode image too :)	18:17
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* ShadowJK wishes there was a way to write fixed-width text on tmp		18:18
ShadowJK	for tables..	18:18
Stskeeps	or cowsay	18:19
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Khertan	icon size in /usr/share/pixmaps/ aren't anymore in 48x48 ,	18:21
Khertan	seems that my vectormine icon isn't display in maemo-launcher	18:22
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RST38h	Khertan: Madman! =)	18:26
Khertan	HA aha !	18:27
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Khertan	oups mspaint died on my 10144x6128px image	18:27
Khertan	huhu	18:27
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Khertan	bit enought memory	18:27
Khertan	:)	18:27
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RST38h	nokia's corporate web site died.	18:30
SpeedEvil	oh noes.	18:30
SpeedEvil	.co.uk too	18:31
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RST38h	the whole thing died	18:32
RST38h	Europe-wide is dead, .ru is dead too	18:32
DocScrutinizer	nokia now called neeemo :-P	18:33
DocScrutinizer	nokia.intel.com	18:34
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luke-jr	rumour of the day: Intel has acquired Nokia	18:36
tybollt	luke-jr: booo	18:36
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SpeedEvil	nokia/intel/disney	18:36
tybollt	yeah	18:36
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hrw	DocScrutinizer: ;D	18:37
DocScrutinizer	nokia/intel/disney/nestle	18:37
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RST38h	"Satan buys Google, Microsoft, Intel, Apple"	18:38
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DocScrutinizer	LOL	18:38
luke-jr	conspiracy theory. masonic. Satanic. Bush. also, Fed.	18:38
RST38h	"Nintendo and Nokia disappointed."	18:38
Stskeeps	"nokia gets bought out by nintendo after maemo.org fiasco"	18:38
DocScrutinizer	thought it satan's very own foundings	18:38
Stskeeps	:P	18:38
cehteh	"Microsoft buys Linux" :)	18:38
RST38h	"Microsoft goes Linux"	18:39
cehteh	they do already	18:39
DocScrutinizer	WAAAAH	18:39
wao	WAAAH	18:39
Khertan	http://www.nokia.fr/	18:39
Khertan	error 404 :)	18:39
RST38h	Ok. "Linus includes win32 support into Linux kernel"	18:39
Khertan	but the 404 error page is working : http://www.nokia.fr/NOKIA_COM_1/Sorry/	18:39
luke-jr	RST38h: that's called LUK	18:39
Khertan	hihi ...	18:39
cehteh	Akamai?	18:39
RST38h	Khertan: the whole thin is fucked up	18:39
luke-jr	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LUK	18:40
Khertan	akaima seems ok	18:40
Khertan	:)	18:40
Khertan	apple too (use akaima)	18:40
RST38h	luke: omg it exists	18:40
cehteh	hey .. .first time in history, that maemo.org is more reliable than nokia.com :P	18:41
Corsac	that's because now nokia.com runs on meego	18:41
visz	no free ovi maps yet for n900?	18:41
Khertan	Corsac: hum ... i don't think they upgrade recently from a 770 server to a n810 server ...	18:41
cehteh	no nokia at all	18:41
Corsac	isn't ovi maps already in n900?	18:41
cehteh	but ovi is free, just not a version you would like	18:42
Khertan	so i don't think they have switched yet on a meego custom build on an n900 server	18:42
cehteh	use osm!	18:42
Khertan	good evening	18:42
visz	Corsac, there a map application but it doesn't give driving instructions	18:42
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visz	just course on map	18:42
Corsac	oh	18:43
Scelt_	anybody else having problems with telepathy-extras? My facebook chat is causing troubles when msn working fine	18:44
RST38h	yes	18:44
RST38h	ICQ does not work with 2.6.4 package	18:44
RST38h	Works with 2.6.3, god knows why	18:44
Scelt_	damn	18:44
Scelt_	facebook doesn't merge properly and alias cannot be changed	18:45
Scelt_	always the whole email. taking almost the whole screen width. not very practical	18:45
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VDVsx	funny rumors, haah	18:46
ShadowJK	Interesting benchmark. At RC5-72 key cracking, the Sheevaplug's 1.2 GHz CPU is 1.3 times faster than N900's 600MHz. Imagine that. :-)	18:47
DocScrutinizer	nokia webmin boozeday	18:47
VDVsx	here mine: Unnamed TMO troll wons the lottery and buys Nokia :D	18:47
ShadowJK	Twice the clockspeed, 1.3 times the speed	18:47
Scelt_	is johnny lamb in irc?	18:47
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RST38h	VDVsx: naaaah	18:47
Scelt_	jonny	18:48
RST38h	ShadowJK: memory bandwidth bottleneck.	18:48
GeneralAntilles	ShadowJK, ARM9.	18:48
ShadowJK	GeneralAntilles, yep	18:48
ShadowJK	RST38h, well I think memory bandwidth is even more of a bottleneck on OGR, where the sheevaplug isn't as crap	18:49
RST38h	Who knows then...	18:49
ShadowJK	it's almost 1.4 times faster than n900 there ;-)	18:49
GeneralAntilles	Wow, I think somebody replaced geneven with an evil (good?) clone. http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=540779#post540779	18:49
ShadowJK	I'm going with GeneralAntilles, A8 vs Arm9	18:49
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ShadowJK	well, sheeva isn't really arm9.. i	18:50
ShadowJK	it's xscale and shit.. or something..	18:50
RST38h	ShadowJK: The thing is named as if it were some kinky S&M implement	18:50
RST38h	XScale is not exactly ARM9, true	18:50
luke-jr	VDVsx: that would be an interesting thing to see	18:50
luke-jr	does the lottery prize actually cover the cost of buying a large company?	18:50
ShadowJK	luke-jr, not really	18:51
VDVsx	luke-jr, don't think so	18:51
VDVsx	at least the biggest thing here, if really far from that	18:51
ShadowJK	luke-jr, you need about 50 - 60 billion to buy nokia	18:51
VDVsx	*is really	18:51
ShadowJK	maybe more	18:51
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luke-jr	hmm	18:51
luke-jr	maybe buy the Maemo "division" from Nokia? :p	18:52
ShadowJK	luke-jr, maybe setup your own company	18:52
luke-jr	hehe	18:52
luke-jr	probably a better idea, yeah	18:52
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luke-jr	but it wouldn't be as humourous	18:52
RST38h	VDVsx: Nintendo buys Nokia, turn the company business to printing playing cards	18:52
VDVsx	lol	18:53
zaheerm	back to its roots	18:53
ShadowJK	Sony buys nokia, makes all phones beam DRM rootkits through bluetooth, wlan and wifi	18:53
RST38h	VDVsx: What was that polish nutcase's name?	18:53
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Stskeeps	darius?	18:53
RST38h	yesss	18:53
DocScrutinizer	I don't see any errors beyond probably Nokia's CMS down	18:53
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DocScrutinizer	so quite possibly Akamai	18:54
RST38h	"Darius wins the lottery, starts his own company, competes with Nokia smartphone business"	18:54
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* ShadowJK posted distributed.net benchmark on Sheevaplug, smartq7, N800, N900 at: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=542944&postcount=19		18:55
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ShadowJK	Hopefully the formatting looks sane on other computesr than my own	18:55
jebba	DocScrutinizer but the site is serving up, just not the right doc.	18:55
jebba	ShadowJK: looks ok here with ff on f12	18:55
DocScrutinizer	yep, that's what I think	18:55
RST38h	ShadowJK: Would also be interesting to see a few Atom-based systems there	18:55
DocScrutinizer	jebba: I guess the "Sorry" page is the only one in basic server domain	18:56
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ShadowJK	RST38h, oh I have a Atom 330... but I have to leave right now, remind me later ;-)	18:57
jebba	DocScrutinizer but if you follow the link on the sorry page, it does have a link to a working global page (which was another redirect in my case). Something in argentina is actually working and the rest of the world is broken. That's a first.	18:57
RST38h	ack	18:57
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DocScrutinizer	o.O	18:57
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DocScrutinizer	which link?	18:58
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jebba	Under "oops lost": "Nokia Global home page": http://www.nokia.com/A41460102	19:00
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dmj726_n900	VDvsx: hi I saw your gsoc post	19:00
millenomi	lol	19:00
DocScrutinizer	jebba: redirects me to http://www.nokia.de/NOKIA_COM_1/Sorry/	19:01
inz	DocS, that was the point	19:01
jebba	DocScrutinizer, ya i get that page. And look under oops, it has a link like mentioned above	19:01
* Birdack va'		19:01
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inz	DocS, but usin http://www.nokia.com/ as the uri would make the problem more apparent	19:01
DocScrutinizer	jebba: and clicking that one I get redirected to above mentioned	19:02
jebba	ah, i get a global site where you can pick your country. Whatever, they're foobar for sure. Geez.	19:02
DocScrutinizer	jebba: for .de it's borked, for .com it works	19:03
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DocScrutinizer	well, THANK GOD ovi is alive :-P	19:07
Arif_	anyone know how to set a custom DNS on the N900?	19:07
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DocScrutinizer	settings -> internet -> bla... -> extended settings, tab "IP addresses"	19:11
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Arif_	cool	19:11
Arif_	thanks	19:11
DocScrutinizer	yw	19:11
* Arif_ prefers opendns		19:11
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dmj726_n900	VDVsx: has maemo been accepted as an org for gsoc?	19:19
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lcukn900	its bloody cold today	19:21
* Trizt nods		19:21
Arif_	hm	19:22
Arif_	I noticed	19:22
Arif_	if I change the volume with the buttons	19:22
Arif_	the volume slider at the bottom of the media player doesn't move	19:22
Arif_	xD	19:22
RST38h	yes	19:22
RST38h	it is a bug	19:22
RST38h	it is a wontfix bug	19:22
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Quark_	hi	19:22
RST38h	lcuk: "cold" as... ?	19:22
Quark_	how are u all ^^?	19:23
Arif_	hmm	19:23
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Arif_	guess I'm not the first one to notice then	19:23
GeneralAntilles	lcukn900, we're warming up today. :P	19:23
RST38h	lcuk: BTW, I have finally got to the spot where daleks scream EXTERMINATE! in German. Took 'em 30 years...	19:23
lcukn900	rst i am feeling freezing in own home	19:23
lcukn900	its probably warmer outside	19:24
Trizt	lcuk; light a fire	19:24
dmj726_n900	anybody else looking at participating in gsoc?	19:24
RST38h	lcuk: fire!	19:24
andre__	RST38h, why is that wontfix? any bug ID?	19:24
lcukn900	goodidea	19:24
RST38h	lcuk: -5 here, 1.5m of snow, sunny =)	19:24
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RST38h	andre: a moment	19:24
RST38h	andre: explanation was pretty weird too	19:24
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RST38h	bug #8114 enjoy	19:25
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8114 Video player volume control desynced from master control	19:25
lcukn900	i need to update my list of irc trigger words	19:25
andre__	RST38h, ah, thanks a lot	19:25
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lcukn900	what does xchat do if i update it while its running	19:27
Arif_	close?	19:27
RST38h	no idea, try	19:27
RST38h	won't close but probably won't reread it either	19:27
GeneralAntilles	lcukn900, nothing until you restart it.	19:27
RST38h	andre: this (and the famous pa lockup) are actually bugs, so I have no idea why nokia insists on wontfixing them	19:27
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Arif_	cuz they're nubletz	19:28
pillar	is it not possible to have sound over ringtone when someone is calling?	19:28
Arif_	?	19:28
lcukn900	brb	19:28
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andre__	RST38h, either changes too complex ("too much work for not enough effort"), or maybe parts of some teams already moving on, or sometimes just some weird error managers' personal opinions. just my guesses though, probably other reasons exist too...	19:29
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andre__	pillar, what is "sound over ringtone"?	19:29
* Trizt hates that when he forgets to disconnect wifi at home when leaving for work, then he won't be able to connect to wifi at work		19:29
pillar	andre__: what I mean is that my own app uses sound at the same time	19:30
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andre__	pillar, ringtone has highest priority.	19:30
andre__	I think I'll lart any app that blocks the sound so I miss a call.	19:30
lcukn900	rst is the channel closing X meant to be in bottom left	19:30
lcukn900	to accidentally close chan	19:30
lcukn900	i thought it would close chanlist	19:31
lcukn900	and was it there before update	19:31
cehteh	hehe happend to me too once	19:31
pillar	andre__: any way around it? I'm not trying to block the ringtone completely, but make a quick sound at the same time	19:31
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RST38h	lcuk: it was always there	19:31
andre__	pillar, hopefully there's no way around that...	19:31
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RST38h	lcuk: AFAIK you can get rid of it with an option	19:31
pillar	andre__: would like to make it so that it announces the caller's name	19:32
andre__	pillar: audio policy... don't know if it's possible to work around	19:32
cehteh	also the context menu when channels shown as tree are missing	19:32
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RST38h	cehteh: do not show channels as a tree =)	19:33
lcukn900	technically as root theres a way round most everythin	19:33
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cehteh	list takes more space toomuch scrolling	19:34
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DocScrutinizer	lcukn900: xchat saves prefs on close. So updating while it's running seems to be a bad idea	19:35
lcukn900	its ok doc	19:36
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cehteh	prefs are local not touched by updating	19:36
lcukn900	cos if i close then update	19:36
lcukn900	vs running whilst update	19:36
RST38h	andre: There is another solution for 8114	19:36
lcukn900	the next time i use my prefs they would have been written by version x-1	19:36
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cehteh	i updated often while its running	19:36
RST38h	andre: make volume control in media player directly change the volume control in the applet	19:37
cehteh	the only probm	19:37
cehteh	wrong key	19:37
lcukn900	whats wrong key	19:37
pillar	andre__: do you know anyone that would be good to contact about that?	19:37
cehteh	the only problem is when replacing a .so plugin	19:38
lcukn900	only if the .so was dyna loaded after updating	19:38
cehteh	crashed on me once	19:39
andre__	pillar, no, sorry...	19:39
lcukn900	i update .so files all day long	19:39
lcukn900	well night	19:39
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lcukn900	when im not so tired anyway	19:40
pillar	andre__: ok thanks anyways	19:40
DocScrutinizer	right, prog text and .so are open handles simply	19:40
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DocScrutinizer	so your major problem will be anonymous file kept by open handle allocating space on storage	19:41
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cehteh	dependso on the update procedure .. if it overwrites or replaces the file	19:42
lcukn900	same thing	19:43
lcukn900	if a file is locked for writing by a process	19:43
DocScrutinizer	never seen an update opening a file and rewrite it's content	19:43
lcukn900	it becomes anonymous	19:43
cehteh	yes	19:43
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cehteh	DocScrutinizer: apt not .. but a normal cp does iirc .. and gcc linking does too .. so this strikes non careful developers :)	19:45
cehteh	well .. bbl	19:45
DocScrutinizer	cp doen't	19:45
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VDVsx	hey dmj726_n900, was watching football :)	19:46
DocScrutinizer	I don't know if maybe redirect > does	19:47
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dmj726_n900	hey VDVsx	19:48
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dmj726_n900	is maemo still applying or has it been accepted?	19:54
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BluesLee	VDVsx: valerio?	19:56
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VDVsx	BluesLee, yes :)	19:58
VDVsx	dmj726_n900, applying like any other org	19:58
VDVsx	the submission process isn't open yet	19:59
BluesLee	VDVsx: you are the guy who wrote this bt remote app on the freerunner, right? good work!	19:59
VDVsx	BluesLee, yup	19:59
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BluesLee	VDVsx: using accelerometers, do you think its possible to write a good juggling app?	20:01
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VDVsx	BluesLee, lol, probably	20:02
BluesLee	VDVsx: i mean, is it possible to handle throws from left and right hand separatly?	20:02
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MohammadAG	found out what caused the <unknown> stuff in about product	20:03
MohammadAG	fmtx-faker	20:03
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VDVsx	BluesLee, would be tricky for sure, but probably can be done with some learning algorithm	20:04
VDVsx	gtg, bbl	20:04
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BluesLee	the idea would be to juggle a certain pattern, lets say simple 3 ball cascade and to give a certain tolerance for the user to move up from left side (left hand throw) and move up from right hand side (right hand throw)	20:05
BluesLee	within a certain time otherwise the corresponding ball is dropped	20:06
Lumpio-	You don't need an app to juggle	20:06
Lumpio-	Just 3 or more N900s	20:06
Lumpio-	And a good insurance policy	20:06
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BluesLee	Lumpio-: no problem with 3 smartphones	20:07
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DocScrutinizer	BluesLee: how would you detect moves of left and right hand separately (or even move hands independantly at all for tha behalf) while the device is just one object?	20:09
DocScrutinizer	sounds as realistic as 5000m race on Wii	20:10
DocScrutinizer	r 100m dolphin ;-P	20:11
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: i really dont know	20:11
DocScrutinizer	BluesLee: you can create a game of some kind, and title it "juggler". Just like there's pinball for PC as well	20:12
BluesLee	but if the pattern is fixed and the order is given left, right, left, right and so on its getting simple	20:12
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DocScrutinizer	yeah, but in the end it's all just hitting buttons arcade madness	20:14
pta0007	hi, I have a question abut how to use GTK+ in scratchbox.	20:14
pta0007	i wrote a qt application which employs gtk+	20:15
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pta0007	but when "make", the head file such as gtk/gtk.h cant be found	20:15
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Corsac	a qt application using gtk+ ?	20:16
* Corsac cries		20:16
pta0007	yes	20:16
Corsac	(install libgtk2.0-dev)	20:16
luke-jr	pta0007: don't do that.	20:16
DocScrutinizer	o.O	20:16
Corsac	please, think of the kittens	20:16
DocScrutinizer	LOL	20:16
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DocScrutinizer	I'm going to bake a plumcake, with salami	20:17
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nid0	then feed it to a vegitarian	20:17
luke-jr	do vegetarians eat synthetic meat?	20:17
pta0007	cause on Windows environment with MADDE, I could compile the qt application with GTK+ corretly	20:17
luke-jr	pta0007: compile != run	20:17
Corsac	he's not trying to run but to build	20:18
DocScrutinizer	cos in my oven, this salami plumcake bakes fine	20:18
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: i have some python code for a juggling app, how i would proceed from this to port it in a good way to maemo 5	20:19
pta0007	luck-jr: I just wonder whether I could do the same thing on linux, with the native programming environment	20:19
luke-jr	pta0007: no. you can't mix Qt and GTK+ <.<	20:19
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luke-jr	even if it compiles, it won't run*	20:19
pta0007	luck-jr: ic	20:20
DocScrutinizer	BluesLee: no idea. I dunno the original app	20:20
DocScrutinizer	BluesLee: I guess you should find out about how to interface accels via py though	20:21
DocScrutinizer	err, the one accel	20:21
pta0007	so, anybody could give me some links to learn building the app with gtk+ for maemo?	20:21
DocScrutinizer	BluesLee: or just use ts-tap events	20:21
luke-jr	pta0007: meh, don't use GTK+ either please :p	20:22
BluesLee	hehe ... i thought about that, there is an iphone app which does that	20:22
pta0007	luck-jr: dont understand what you mean. Gtk+ is out of date?	20:22
pta0007	because I would like to use the example_camera.c from maemo	20:23
pta0007	which app uses gtk+	20:23
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luke-jr	pta0007: GTK+ is just crap; always has been	20:24
luke-jr	pta0007: and as far as Maemo goes, everything is moving to Qt	20:24
Trizt	and Nokia owns qt, so it's more Nokia :P	20:24
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luke-jr	what does example_camera.c do?	20:24
pta0007	luke-jr:do the camera function	20:25
luke-jr	do what with it?	20:25
pta0007	show a viewfinder on the screen ,using the camera of the device	20:25
luke-jr	http://kapture.berlios.de/	20:25
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luke-jr	there's camera code	20:25
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pta0007	luke-jr:i'll take a look	20:26
b0unc3	hey guys, there is any way to reload a statusbar plugin ? (from code)	20:26
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* RST38h suspects people will start porting kde apps right after pr1.2 release		20:26
DocScrutinizer	talking topic camera: does anybody know if the camera executable is preloded or it's started the moment you open the slider (etc, button)	20:26
RST38h	b0unc3: yes	20:26
RST38h	b0unc3: restart hildon-statusbar-whatever, a moment	20:27
RST38h	bounc3: ps -ax \|grep hildon-status-menu and then kill the one which has bigger pid	20:27
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tybollt	RST38h: why?	20:28
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: except when process counter wraps ;-)	20:28
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RST38h	DocS: Ah, do not be a wikipedian :)	20:29
DocScrutinizer	sorry :-)	20:29
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boolean	afternoon	20:29
DocScrutinizer	moo	20:29
boolean	question: what does the usb status of "a_wait_bcon" mean ( n800 with maemo 5 )	20:30
luke-jr	boolean: there is no such thing as N800 with Maemo 5 -.-	20:30
b0unc3	RST38h, this 'reset' the statusbar to default (eg. eliminating all the others plugin)	20:30
Stskeeps	boolean: no maemo5 on n800	20:30
RST38h	ah, ok	20:31
RST38h	uninstall all status bar plugins from HAM	20:31
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, camera-ui is always in the process list here	20:31
boolean	ok n800 with diablo ... better ? :)	20:31
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: what I expected. Thanks. [ :-( ]	20:32
boolean	anyhoot, I am trying to get my n800 into isb host mode but all it keeps coming back with is a_wait_bcon	20:32
DocScrutinizer	USB hostmode on N800??	20:32
boolean	s/isb/usb	20:32
boolean	yup	20:32
DocScrutinizer	N810 has. N800 dunno, not sure	20:33
Stskeeps	n800 has	20:33
DocScrutinizer	k	20:33
boolean	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=22187	20:33
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b0unc3	RST38h, maybe you didn't understand, I want to reload a specific statusbar plugin	20:33
RST38h	then do what I told you	20:33
MohammadAG	b0unc3, killall hildon-status-menu	20:34
RST38h	hildon-status-thing will restart once you kill it	20:34
RST38h	and reload all statusbar plugins	20:34
RST38h	No, no killall, you do not want to kill the first instance	20:34
pta0007	luke-jr:sorry for my stupid, but dont even know how to download it	20:34
luke-jr	...	20:34
MohammadAG	RST38h, it restarts it for me :)	20:34
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b0unc3	with killall works ok	20:34
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luke-jr	pta0007: sez right there: http://kapture.berlios.de/#download	20:34
RST38h	ok then	20:35
MohammadAG	RST38h, afaik all hildon-* stuff gets restarted if killed	20:35
MohammadAG	(and systemui)	20:35
MohammadAG	I uninstalled hildon-desktop once, just to see what would happen if it didn't find it	20:35
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: reboot will do as well?	20:35
DocScrutinizer	:-P	20:35
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, true, but rebooting impacts the battery	20:36
DocScrutinizer	aaah ok	20:36
MohammadAG	though I've noticed something weird this, if I pop out my battery and pop it back in, the N900 gains two bars	20:36
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: that's quite strange, as I'd expect the modem goes down completely when you remove bat	20:37
MohammadAG	two bars in battery life	20:37
DocScrutinizer	aah	20:37
nid0	how long does it keep them for	20:38
MohammadAG	(might have used the long term to explain that :) )	20:38
DocScrutinizer	that's no surprise. Batmeter is guessmeter botch	20:38
MohammadAG	nid0, as much as it would normally keep them	20:38
nid0	then you have a magic neverending battery, go you	20:38
MohammadAG	so it's not like the bug on my (old & sold) N97 battery, where it went from 7-6-5-4-7-1	20:38
nid0	battery life is just a guesstimate at best though	20:39
MohammadAG	- battery* (the whole N97 was sold)	20:39
MohammadAG	nid0, my laptop thinks the battery lasts 5 minutes	20:39
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nid0	http://xkcd.com/612/ < applies to batteries as much as windows	20:39
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MohammadAG	lol nid0	20:40
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Khertan	Hum someone know if pyopengl is available on Maemo 5 (n900)	20:41
luke-jr	Khertan: I would guess not, seeing as it only has GLES, not full GL	20:42
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Arif_	bah	20:52
Arif_	can anyone help me through setting up qtirrecco :(	20:52
Arif_	I downloaded a remote but I get a blank screen after adding it :(	20:53
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MohammadAG	Arif_, bad upload maybe?	20:57
MohammadAG	try a different one	20:57
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TomaszD	thp, update gpodder's screenshot on maemo downloads :)	20:57
andrewfblack	Stskeeps: Bug Bug Bug lol	20:57
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Stskeeps	andrewfblack: i think dealing with icon templates would have been more pleasant today yes :P	20:57
* Stskeeps nuked his n900 filesystem by accident		20:58
Arif_	hmm	20:58
andrewfblack	Stskeeps: not good see should have been working on icon template	20:58
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Myrtti	Stskeeps: you n900 by accident? I herd it is dangerous.	20:58
luke-jr	Stskeeps: http://xkcd.com/705/	20:58
DocScrutinizer	http://xkcd.com/424/ ubuntu muhahaha	20:59
inz	xkcd uri wars!	20:59
Myrtti	322	21:00
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Myrtti	♥	21:00
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pronto	♥	21:01
pronto	♥ ♥	21:01
pronto	>.>	21:01
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* Myrtti sprays some of her White Musk perfume on pronto		21:01
pronto	eep!	21:02
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pronto	now i smell oh so pretty ^_^ -.-	21:02
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pronto	:s	21:03
satmd	xkcd://!	21:03
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sobczyk	is it possible to load ovi maps and not use connection?	21:05
DocScrutinizer	you ever realized:	21:05
DocScrutinizer	~ignore DocScrutinizer	21:05
* infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, DocScrutinizer!"		21:05
DocScrutinizer	infobot's a girl :-D	21:05
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Myrtti	DocScrutinizer: so is #ubuntu main bot too	21:05
satmd	sobczyk: the wiki somewhere - and the talk page too - had long discussions about that	21:05
satmd	short: yes	21:06
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satmd	long: needs some work to get that up on 64 bit	21:06
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: most bots are	21:06
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DocScrutinizer	guess why :-P	21:06
Myrtti	because we can multitask	21:06
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* satmd eyes these 189.2.* users		21:06
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Myrtti	(women)	21:06
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: her owner fails to come up with a human girl	21:06
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w00t	satmd: lots of people working in the same office	21:07
satmd	oh~	21:07
* luke-jr has 2-3 human girls, so his bot is male.		21:07
* satmd has one male bot and several female bots		21:07
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DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: I tend to adopt your thoughts, though I like Myrtti's idea much better	21:07
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luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: I can multitask.	21:07
satmd	these are my personal !cookie supply	21:07
satmd	:>	21:07
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boolean	hmm ... has anyone used the linux nokia flasher to place their n8*0's usb into host mode?	21:12
boolean	if so, was the procedure identical to that of the os flashing?	21:12
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cehteh	identical certainly not	21:14
DocScrutinizer	never noticed you could use the host based nokia flashed to switch the gadget to host mode. Sounds idiotic anyway	21:15
boolean	tis part of the application, go figure	21:16
GeneralAntilles	boolean, just set it on the device	21:16
GeneralAntilles	or build yourself an OTG adaptor.	21:16
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DocScrutinizer	pc connectivity manager, or somesuch	21:17
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, bootloader is always client.	21:17
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, the flag is relevant to when you're actually booting the kernel.	21:17
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DocScrutinizer	yes, but then who cares bout bootloader?	21:17
satmd	him who wants to flash	21:18
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DocScrutinizer	duh, it's a flag - persistent	21:18
GeneralAntilles	flasher talks to NOLO	21:18
DocScrutinizer	as I got it	21:19
boolean	GeneralAntilles: the problem I have bene having is when setting to host, the only status is keeps is a_wait_bcon	21:19
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DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: so ifr I got it right it's like setting a kernel cmdline option in BL	21:21
DocScrutinizer	?	21:21
satmd	'like'	21:21
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, believe so.	21:21
satmd	starts in client mode, the kernel will restore it during boot	21:22
DocScrutinizer	thanks for clarifying	21:22
satmd	it=modus operandi	21:22
boolean	does anyone know what that usb status is? ( a_wait_bcon )	21:22
boolean	all i get is some reference that it is required for shutdown	21:22
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konttori	boolean: waiting for connection	21:26
konttori	means that you are in host or in OTG mode afaik	21:26
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boolean	konttori: thanks.. that would explain things	21:28
Khertan	while trying to run pyside opengl 2dpainting example i got a pyopengl must be installed .. oh god ... it s not available !	21:28
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Cascade_	New programming forum! http://www.hackersrus.info JOIN!	21:30
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sobczyk	are there some other maps with gps for the n900? ovi maps has a very pooor s korea coverage, openstreetmaps is perfect though I don't know if i can download the maps	21:32
jebba	sobczyk: try using the program "maep" with openstreetmaps (it's default i believe)	21:32
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TomaszD	god damn, over 88k downloads	21:33
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sobczyk_	jebba: can I store maps on the device	21:33
jebba	yes	21:34
sobczyk_	great :)	21:34
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jebba	it does google maps, openstreetmaps, and one or two others. Very nice lean app.	21:34
TomaszD	zaheer__, I'm deferring any changes in Extra Decoders Support until PR1.2 is released	21:34
TomaszD	just so you know	21:35
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TomaszD	hopefully the good people at nokia will let me play with a pre-release so I can prepare a compatible package, if required	21:35
GeneralAntilles	TomaszD, yeah, that's on Maemo 5.	21:36
GeneralAntilles	TomaszD, back in my day. . . . :P	21:36
TomaszD	GeneralAntilles, I'm slow today, what do you mean	21:36
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GeneralAntilles	TomaszD, smaller userbase back in the day.	21:37
TomaszD	ah, heh	21:37
TomaszD	well, I never expected to get over 88k downloads of my humble package	21:37
TomaszD	it's the third most popular	21:37
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Cascade_	New programming forum http://www.hackersrus.info/index.php JOIN!	21:37
TomaszD	I got 7 EUR in donations!	21:37
jebba	TomaszD: what's the link to your package page?	21:38
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TomaszD	that's why I'm a bit concerned if they decide to mess with GStreamer any further and potentially break over 88k devices	21:38
dev	how is expand/collapse supposed to be handled in hildon/gtk.Treeview?	21:38
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TomaszD	jebba, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/decoders-support/	21:39
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jebba	wow. Even my silly little burgerspace has 8000 hits now. I guess they are updating the download totals more often or something now.	21:40
Stskeeps	x-fade made them more accurate yeah	21:43
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lcuk	more accurate?	21:45
Stskeeps	think it uses repo downloads	21:45
lcuk	it did before	21:45
ShadowJK	what is burgerspace?	21:45
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penguinbait	I remember burgertime	21:47
VDVsx	well, the stats got stuck for more than a month :) seems that they are working now	21:47
koupsa	hello all. little question wich size needs virtual hard disk to install maemo on pc (netbook) ?	21:47
TomaszD	Heh, one thing that's cool is that Extra Decoders Support depends on Ogg Support, pulling it into the top 10 :D	21:47
TomaszD	there's a small discrepancy in numbers of downloads, as it didn't depend on it since the very beginning	21:48
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alterego	What's that program that routes 3G connectivity through an adhoc wireless connection? Got banned from iphone app store.	21:50
lcuk	well we need to make the map thing more accurate too then	21:50
jebba	ShadowJK, penguinbait, ya, like burgertime: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/burgerspace/	21:50
lcuk	VDVsx, how do we get everyone sticking pins into the map	21:51
penguinbait	lcuk !!!!!	21:51
lcuk	without putting a picture of Stskeeps there	21:51
lcuk	pin the mouse on the admin	21:51
lcuk	hiya pb	21:51
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penguinbait	Finally got a n900 (two week loaner arrived yesterday)	21:52
w00t	lcuk: make it look like nipples	21:53
w00t	then everyone will want to poke it	21:53
lcuk	nahhh whenever that happens i end up licking the screen	21:53
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w00t	lol	21:53
lcuk	never get milk tho	21:53
* w00t notes to self: never touch lcuk's touchscreens		21:54
lcuk	penguinbait, w00t then	21:54
penguinbait	http://penguinbait.com/n900.jpg	21:54
lcuk	my touchscreens are never licked	21:54
penguinbait	w00t w00t	21:54
w00t	lcuk: but but.. tactile feedback!	21:54
w00t	penguinbait: indeed.	21:54
w00t	02/23@20:54:19 <#maemo/w00t> lcuk: but but.. tactile feedback!	21:54
lcuk	w00t do you get frustrated when random passers by touch your normal untouchscreen monitor?	21:54
w00t	is it a disturbing thing that I now want to lick my n900 to try this?	21:54
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SpeedEvil	penguinbait: is that native/	21:54
penguinbait	SpeedEvil yes of course	21:55
jacekowski	how to make media player play mkv files	21:55
thresh	nice indeed	21:55
TomaszD	jacekowski, do you have Extra Decoders Support package installed?	21:55
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jebba	penguinbait: uh, you have kde4 on there?? Is that floating aroudn in the repos or something? Or illusion?	21:55
penguinbait	lcuk, I thought you were making an app to teach men how to eat women, you practice by licking your n900	21:55
_andy	penguinbait: so much win. (http://penguinbait.com/n900.jpg)	21:56
penguinbait	it is KDE 3.5.8	21:56
lcuk	liqwomen is in progress	21:56
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penguinbait	I thought so	21:56
jacekowski	TomaszD: do you think i would ask if i didn't?	21:56
Myrtti	li what?	21:56
w00t	lcuk: lickwomen!	21:56
penguinbait	_andy what?	21:56
jebba	penguinbait: how?	21:57
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lcuk	w00t, its right, i made an ircbot	21:57
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penguinbait	I compiled KDE 3.5.8 for Diablo, and it still works, needs some tweaking though, probably a complete recompile is called for	21:57
jacekowski	TomaszD: Mantainer: Tomasz Dominikowski	21:57
penguinbait	but it runs better than on the 810	21:57
lcuk	penguinbait, no shit	21:58
jacekowski	TomaszD: it's working in mplayer	21:58
penguinbait	no shit	21:58
_andy	penguinbait: your picture is awesome.	21:58
TomaszD	jacekowski, I would demand my money back if it doesn't work, especially without reading the troubleshooting guide	21:58
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jacekowski	TomaszD: i want my money back	21:58
TomaszD	:)	21:59
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lcuk	jebba did a birdy tell me right you were quite well into qt 3.x at some point in history	21:59
alterego	Ah joiku	21:59
jacekowski	TomaszD: where is that troubleshooting guide?	21:59
TomaszD	jacekowski, are you trying to play a Matroska container with HD video and/or H.264 Main/High profile, you're out of luck	22:00
TomaszD	jacekowski, http://code.google.com/p/extra-decoders-support-for-n900/wiki/Troubleshooting	22:00
konttori	nice shot penguinbait !	22:00
jacekowski	ffh264	22:00
jacekowski	that's what mplayer says	22:01
jebba	lcuk: a birdy mighta, but i'm not well into qt3 afaik	22:01
drizztbsd	it doesn't works to me with a dlna server	22:01
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TomaszD	then it's most likely not a profile the N900 is able to play back, it only support H.264 Baseline 3.0	22:01
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TomaszD	jacekowski, is the mkv file listed in the media player?	22:02
jacekowski	well, mplayer on n900 plays it	22:02
jacekowski	yes it is	22:02
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TomaszD	jacekowski, mplayer is ffmpeg, media player is gstreamer, but you know that, so what else do you want	22:02
jacekowski	UI	22:03
TomaszD	try SiB	22:03
drizztbsd	TomaszD: if I use gst-ffmpeg?	22:03
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TomaszD	drizztbsd, it's already installed if you use Extra Decoders, doesn't work for advanced profiles	22:03
drizztbsd	because of an hardware limitation?	22:04
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TomaszD	there is no hardware support for the advanced profiles	22:04
drizztbsd	ok	22:04
sobczyk_	mkv is only a container	22:04
drizztbsd	thanks :)	22:04
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TomaszD	sobczyk_, I think we all know that...	22:04
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jacekowski	i'm not sure if i have problem with container or with it's content	22:05
sobczyk_	so why the default player does not show mkv files/	22:05
drizztbsd	so does mplayer use only software decoding?	22:05
TomaszD	sobczyk_, it does	22:05
TomaszD	drizztbsd, it does have some NEON optimizations for ARM	22:05
TomaszD	but other than that, software	22:05
TomaszD	jacekowski, try installing SiB, it's an mplayer Qt GUI	22:06
TomaszD	it's in devel I think	22:06
jebba	fwiw, peripherally related, i built the ffmpeg in extras-devel (or wherever it is) with neon fooness too.	22:06
jacekowski	i've tried kmplayer and it failed	22:06
TomaszD	file a bug then	22:07
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TomaszD	I would imagine that all the profiles of H.264 could be made to work, but I don't think it's possible to do this without removing hardware acceleration for the baseline profile, ie. by ripping out the default decoder	22:08
TomaszD	and you don't want that kind of battery drain	22:08
TomaszD	also, it's not permitted to replace any system files, it can be done, but I'd get banned from Extras :)	22:09
TomaszD	so live with what you have	22:09
jacekowski	but you can change codec preference	22:09
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TomaszD	I don't think so, but would love to be proven otherwise, the code for extra decoders is open and public, patches welcome	22:10
TomaszD	the media player is closed source and will not be opened	22:10
jacekowski	it can always be reversed	22:10
andre__	for reference, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1235	22:11
povbot	Bug 1235: Please consider open-sourcing the media player	22:11
drizztbsd	will meego work on n900?	22:11
drizztbsd	:)	22:11
TomaszD	go ahead jacekowski ...	22:11
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jacekowski	i'm just wondering how long it would take for nokia to send cease and desist letter	22:12
TomaszD	it would still be a pointless exercise	22:12
drizztbsd	and not legal	22:12
TomaszD	main and high profiles aren't really designed for mobile devices	22:12
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jacekowski	i've downloaded scratchbox VM finally	22:14
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jacekowski	so i'll play with it	22:14
TomaszD	alright	22:14
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drizztbsd	uhm maybe I can use 2 video stream in the mkv file	22:15
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drizztbsd	the hd stream and the mobile stream	22:15
randomthings	whats a cease and desist letter?	22:15
TomaszD	drizztbsd, you could, but make sure the first one (default one) is the mobile one	22:15
TomaszD	I'd be interesting to see if it works	22:15
SpeedEvil	randomthings: a letter from a lawyer telling you to stop it.	22:16
jacekowski	TomaszD: lower bitrate one is always mobile one	22:16
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randomthings	aha, so r they going to send this letter to?	22:16
randomthings	aha, so who r they going to send this letter to?	22:16
TomaszD	jacekowski, that's not the point. The point is that the media player doesn't have the ability to switch between streams and is likely to play the first stream	22:16
jacekowski	randomthings: we don't know yet	22:16
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konttori	TomaszD: well, perhaps the media player should not be used then for videos.	22:17
TomaszD	randomthings, no-one is sending anything to anyone	22:17
jacekowski	TomaszD: you could do some ugly hacks in demuxer	22:17
randomthings	aha but its in the news that why u guys were talking about it?	22:17
konttori	btw, I have pretty decent GTk based video player almost in beta state.	22:17
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randomthings	aha	22:18
randomthings	ok	22:18
konttori	in case you would be interested in adding the mkv stream selection to it	22:18
konttori	at the moment, it just uses playbin2 to play whatever it would play as default.	22:18
konttori	but it's easy to extend that behavior.	22:18
TomaszD	which is what the media player does I think	22:18
konttori	I think so too	22:18
drizztbsd	maybe there is some qt player with phonon gstreamer backend	22:18
drizztbsd	i thinks it's supported	22:19
konttori	probably not.	22:19
konttori	but perhaps someone could make one.	22:19
TomaszD	no, I just use big words, I'm not a coder, I just package things up konttori	22:19
TomaszD	can't help you with the code	22:19
jacekowski	TomaszD: are you polish?	22:19
konttori	humm.. well, perhaps I can add the code. But don't have the time just now to do it.	22:20
konttori	gstreamer is not rocket science.	22:20
TomaszD	jacekowski, indeed	22:20
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konttori	(using it atleast - never coded anything in it)	22:20
randomthings	can anyone tell me that in the webbrowser how to change the default search from mobile version of google to the desktop version of it	22:20
TomaszD	it's probably in about:config somewhere	22:21
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TomaszD	be careful though	22:21
jebba	unfortunately, i think it will revert to the stock google on restart	22:21
randomthings	so in url place i should write about:config	22:21
TomaszD	yes	22:21
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TomaszD	type search	22:23
TomaszD	the third result is the string you want to change	22:23
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randomthings	nothing coming up just the lil orange bar moving left n right	22:24
randomthings	i typed about:config in the url text box	22:24
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TomaszD	well it should work, it works here	22:24
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TomaszD	although I don't know how to edit the fields	22:25
randomthings	hmm	22:25
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randomthings	aha	22:25
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randomthings	there should simply be a text file which we could open in a text editor and change	22:25
corecode	what's the deal with downloading firefox	22:26
myforke	hey guys, I have one question, can I control the mediaplayer on the command line. Or have somebody more information to the mediaplayer or audio control?	22:26
corecode	isn't "web" already firefox?	22:26
SpeedEvil	no	22:26
GeneralAntilles	corecode, no.	22:26
GeneralAntilles	It's Gecko	22:26
SpeedEvil	corecode: microb is based on gecko	22:26
GeneralAntilles	Gecko is not FireFox.	22:26
myforke	because I	22:26
drizztbsd	it's better to use tablet-encode or handbrake?	22:27
SpeedEvil	corecode: firefox is also based on gecko	22:27
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SpeedEvil	corecode: but they differ fairly widely	22:27
jebba	myforke: this may give some pointers: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-media-play	22:27
myforke	thanks jebba, I will check this ..	22:28
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myforke	because I	22:28
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ShadowJK	It would be cool if gst could fall back to another decoder for h264 main...	22:30
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konttori	ShadowJK: indeed	22:30
TomaszD	it would be	22:31
konttori	hmm... perhaps I can discuss about it tomorrow.	22:31
konttori	support won't make it for pr1.2, but perhaps to a later release, if it's doable.	22:31
TomaszD	that would be great	22:31
corecode	ah	22:31
konttori	would be even better to have the main profile decoded by dsp.	22:31
corecode	so why would i use firefox and not microb	22:32
TomaszD	konttori, of course	22:32
TomaszD	:)	22:32
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SpeedEvil	ff has tabs	22:33
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GeneralAntilles	corecode, and better plugin compatibility.	22:33
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GeneralAntilles	corecode, plus an open source UI	22:33
ShadowJK	btw, MPlayer on smartq knows how to fall back from the hw h264 decoder to software decoder ;-)	22:33
GeneralAntilles	Downsides are it's bigger and slower.	22:34
jebba	midori is decent on n900 too, but the screen updates are slower.	22:34
ShadowJK	(with terrible performance on 667MHz arm9)	22:34
florian	re	22:34
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ShadowJK	Take the NEON optimizations from ffmpeg, put them in CoreAVC and you've got a performance winner	22:36
TomaszD	coreavc is amazing on its own	22:36
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* andrewfblack needs more hours in the day		22:38
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Duffer	Hi	22:38
Duffer	?	22:40
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Duffer	lo	22:40
fragment	hello	22:41
Duffer	u have N900?	22:41
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hardaker	anyone have a n900 case they like? I think I need to give in and get one (after dropping mine in the snow because it's too slippery)	22:42
ShadowJK	it'd be pretty interesting to see coreavc vs ffmpeg on Cortex A8 actually... supposedly CoreAVC suffers on CPUs with small caches	22:42
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brik	hardaker: I've got this one and it's pretty good http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLACK-LEATHER-WALLET-CASE-COVER-SKIN-FOR-NOKIA-N900-UK_W0QQitemZ160381021922QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item2557742ee2	22:43
cehteh	hardaker: http://git.pipapo.org/n900case/n900_shell.html	22:44
hardaker	does it sit in the case when you use it, or do you take it out?	22:44
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brik	sits in there, it has a plastic thing that goes into the keyboard	22:44
hardaker	cehteh: Sweet!	22:44
Owen	i use the cp-321 case	22:45
hardaker	brik: ah. I'm not sure I could live with the fold-over though.	22:45
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hardaker	Owen: that's just a hip case though right? I want a protective always-on case	22:46
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Owen	it stays on in my pocket	22:46
hardaker	http://nokiaexperts.com/review-noreve-traditional-leather-case-metal-belt-clip-nokia-n900/	22:46
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hardaker	that looked good, but expensive	22:46
* cehteh plans to make an outer shell which will be waterproof with bike mount		22:47
Owen	corners are exposed though so drop may still damage	22:47
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cehteh	(acryl plate)	22:47
hardaker	yep... that's the problem with a sliding screen...	22:47
brik	also using this one (mine's very much protected :P) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLUE-HYBRID-HARD-COVER-RUBBER-CASE-FOR-NOKIA-N900_W0QQitemZ150393503361QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item230426be81#ht_2508wt_1165	22:48
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hardaker	brik: and you like it I take it?	22:49
Owen	looks interesting	22:49
brik	ya	22:50
randomthings	good night to all who have night time in their zones right now zzzzzzzz	22:51
SpeedEvil	I want a waterproof case with a capacitive screen on top	22:51
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brik	someone on maemo talk said one of those scraped paint of their phone tho, but mine's fine after 2-3 months of using that one	22:51
cehteh	brik: how are the things attached? glued? especially the top frame	22:51
brik	it has clips that goes on the side of it	22:52
cehteh	ah ok	22:52
hardaker	there is also this one, but I haven't seen reviews of it anywhere http://www.amazon.com/Amzer-Simple-Casewith-Protector-Rubberized/dp/B002XZM0V2	22:52
Owen	plastic clips?	22:52
cehteh	abs with rubber sounds good	22:52
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brik	ya plastic	22:53
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cehteh	well i have mine, hard shell, and neoprene gives a good grip, plus good corner protection	22:54
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cehteh	just cant slide it out while its inside	22:54
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Owen	got fMMS working earlier, tis good	22:55
Scelt_	fMMS rocks	22:55
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Scelt_	I'm used to use MMS so without fMMS I would be in sorrow	22:55
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Owen	what's maximum width setting? 300?	22:56
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Scelt_	I have 300	22:57
Scelt_	it depends on your operator	22:57
Scelt_	you can find the settings from fmms page	22:58
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Owen	cool	22:59
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Owen	got a replacement stylus	23:00
Owen	not that impressed	23:00
Owen	it is moulded in two parts, straight down the middle	23:01
Owen	and there is a mould seam right on tip	23:01
Owen	could scratch screen	23:02
hardaker	I want a stylus with a pen in it.... Had one for my treo and LOVED it	23:02
nid0	well, my stupid sip-only bluetooth keyboard pairs and connects now, just gotta figure out how to actually map the damn thing to use it :<	23:02
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SpeedEvil	Owen: take some unpolished wood. Rub it on it till it's smooth. Polish on jeans.	23:03
* konttori was surprised to see that ign.com videos played without framedrop in the pr1.2 browser (using the flashblock to make sure it's the only flash on page wasting cpu).		23:03
Owen	yeah lucky i examined it really carefully before touching screen!	23:04
Owen	might polish up though :-)	23:04
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myforke	@jedda, on more question, can I check when the track end and start a new track? Because I'm very foul and I don't want go to my phone to search a new track... :)	23:05
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myforke	ok, I think all files are store with the path in the sqllite database, ok I can creat with a script a playlist ;) uii a good activity for the train trip tomorrow	23:07
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Owen	anyone else have BH-905s ?	23:10
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frals	konttori: flash performance improvements in 1.2? ;)	23:12
frals	maybe svtplay.se will be usable then... dreams	23:12
Scelt_	I've tried to use some flash sites too but they're unusable atm	23:13
Owen	i cant get 1.2 ota	23:13
Owen	in uk mmm	23:13
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Scelt_	Owen: konttori is a master of the maemo. he's betatesting it in his own little mansion	23:13
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nid0	its not released yet, and even when it is if you're on the uk firmware you most likely wont get it until between either a few hours or forever after everyone else	23:13
Owen	yeah may have to swap to global f/w	23:14
Scelt_	using now autoconnect with fMMS. but it's undocumented so I don't know how it should work :P maybe connect when there's no connection active	23:14
ShadowJK	test with current version and flashblock to see if it's an improvement...	23:15
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Scelt_	ShadowJK: what's flashblock?	23:17
Owen	i was watching olympics using iPlayer on the train, hot girl next to me	23:17
Owen	was impressed lol	23:17
Owen	in my mind she was anyway ;-)	23:18
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* ShadowJK vaguely remembers his operator used to stream national tv stations over 3g		23:19
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ShadowJK	like proper rtsp instead of flash	23:19
ShadowJK	but then when they actually started to have more than one or two 3g basestations they stopped with the "mobile tv" thing	23:19
Owen	where r u shadow	23:20
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ShadowJK	.fi	23:21
Owen	quite a progressive country like that	23:22
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Scelt	ShadowJK: remember to watch the nordic combined, starting in half an hour	23:22
ShadowJK	Amusingly I can't test with n900 if they brought back the streaming, it required wap browser through the wap apn rather than the internet apn :)	23:22
ShadowJK	there already was some of that earlier.. skijump tho..	23:23
Scelt	ye, skiing left	23:23
Owen	lol downgrade user agent	23:23
ShadowJK	and why does n900 write i j as ij in what looks like one char	23:23
Scelt	it's awesome to use n900 from pc as root	23:23
ShadowJK	hm, only does it in xchat	23:25
Scelt	ugh. flashblock is of course that "adflashblock-css". missed it when trying to find it from the list by the leading F. should have used search	23:25
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Owen	i have just heard the low battery noise for the first time	23:25
Owen	bit feeble	23:25
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Owen	sad sounding	23:26
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ShadowJK	not as much a downgrade as going through the wap gateway proxy which adds phonenumber and such to http/wap headers..	23:26
Owen	aahh	23:26
ShadowJK	owen: it's saying "feed me :("	23:26
ShadowJK	"I'm hungwy :("	23:27
Owen	lol i'm pretty anal about keeping it charged	23:29
Scelt	anal? :D	23:29
Owen	i have heard bad things can happen if it runs flat	23:29
Owen	anally retentive lol	23:30
Proteous	lithium ion batteries don't like to be run flat	23:30
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Proteous	you can permanantly lower the capacity of the bttery	23:31
nid0	its more that the device wont be able to switch itself on to get into charging state if it's totally flat	23:31
N900evil	you can'tg frun it that flat	23:31
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Owen	i have heard the n900 can't charge a dead batt	23:31
tg	cat'tg? :)	23:31
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Proteous	although there is internal circuitry that prevents that from happening	23:31
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N900evil	nid0, not true according to l3/l4 manual	23:31
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nid0	well, true according to plenty of people's experiences	23:32
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Owen	yeah the fail to boot thing	23:32
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ShadowJK	I think the problem is if you hose the operating system on the N900	23:33
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ShadowJK	The hardware switches on the N900 when it thinks there's enough power in the battery to boot, it seems, and if the OS is hosed, then the OS never resumes charging	23:33
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Owen	ooo bad!	23:33
nid0	cant say it's happened to me but plenty of people on tmo have reported flattening the battery then finding the device wont charge, but then charging the battery in an external charger for a few mins, putting it back in the phone, and itll then charge fine	23:34
Owen	yeah think I'll get 5800 charger	23:35
nid0	tbh, looking forward to powermat releasing their embedded batteries	23:35
nid0	definitely getting myself one of those if they actually follow through with it	23:35
ShadowJK	Oh and charging from a computer or a generic USB charger will probably fail with dead batt	23:36
Owen	sounds great	23:36
ShadowJK	I always forget people try to do silly things like that	23:36
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Owen	i have found the included converter to be a bit feeble	23:37
* javispedro received a tmo private message a few days ago "please make drnoksnes pause when the device goes idle!"		23:37
* javispedro implemented it		23:37
ShadowJK	Or through the converter...	23:37
* javispedro then received a tmo private message "please Don't make drnoksnes pause when the device goes idle!!"		23:37
Owen	takes a lot longer to charge	23:37
ShadowJK	Yes	23:38
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ShadowJK	From how hot it gets, it's eating a good deal of the power itself	23:38
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nid0	my converter + e90 charger ended up being my girlfriend's spare for her hd2	23:39
nid0	:<	23:39
Owen	oh well i'm off thanks/goodnight	23:39
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Arif_	:o	23:48
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Arif_	someone broke the internets	23:48
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N900evil	Is there an xhost package?	23:48
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yigal	why do so many people like Android. I can understand Android devices, there are a number out and almost out that are fantastic hardware but the OS lacks	23:48
yigal	?	23:48
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Arif_	it has 10 000 burp apps?	23:49
yigal	yes, that makes sense	23:49
nid0	it has "appz", and its the "cool trendy oss lienucks" thing to have	23:49
Arif_	it's java crap	23:49
Arif_	:P	23:50
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Arif_	well	23:50
yigal	it's open source for idiots	23:50
Arif_	maybe you can send MP3s in the media player	23:50
Arif_	that's a nice feature to have :P	23:50
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gouverneur	yigal: I dont know... the n900 handled like user is a charm but looking at it like I do with netbook/pc/server....	23:50
yigal	gouverneur: yes, but underneath if you want something done n900 has it	23:51
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gouverneur	sure its like my second netbook but smaller and longer battery life	23:51
Arif_	maybe average joe doesn't care about XTerminal ?	23:51
dmj7261	my n900 is like a netbook with crappy keyboard.	23:51
dmj7261	my netbook is like a desktop from several years ago that "fits in my pocket"	23:52
yigal	Arif_: yes, that's right, they don't but you still can't install OpenOffice on an Android phone	23:52
nid0	need maemo device in a communicator format with a proper keyboard tbh	23:52
dmj7261	that's odd	23:52
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dmj7261	nid0: that's called a netbook with ubuntu	23:53
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nid0	or it'd be called nokia building a phone with a decent keyboard :( i'm yet to find a netbook as pocketable as my e90.	23:53
yigal	dmj7261: right, the keyboard is a limitation on smaller devices	23:53
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dmj7261	My primary reason for my netbook is the keyboard	23:54
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nid0	e90 keyboard is an absolute dream to use	23:54
yigal	also media format support on Android just a joke	23:54
dmj7261	the ipad fails for me because I compare it to a netbook.	23:54
mtnbkr	dmj7261: I have found the N900 k/b is much better than the Droid's though. all keys are flat so you have no 'feel' as to what key you might be on	23:54
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dmj7261	yeah, I tried out a droid in the VZ store	23:54
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dmj7261	...It can't even browse the internet while talking on the phone.	23:55
sivang	dmj7261: and ?	23:55
yigal	Notion Ink SmartPad oh man what a device though too bad it will have Android	23:55
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dmj7261	yigal: can Ubuntu be installed?	23:55
mtnbkr	my buddy (I call him "Google boy" cause he uses google everything) has a driod... pretty cool otherwise, but N900/Maemo better IMHO	23:55
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yigal	dmj7261: not sure, I hope so	23:56
yigal	dmj7261: if it can I will buy one	23:56
Arif_	mhh	23:56
yigal	dmj7261: it's a bit too large really imo, but 160 hours of battery	23:56
dmj7261	What I really want is an ubuntu netbook with detachable tablet screen.	23:56
Arif_	I want a better N900	23:57
Arif_	:P	23:57
Arif_	the N950!	23:57
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* dmj7261 will accept comparable distro to Ubuntu		23:57
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* Arif_ wants an N900 with no keyboard, better speakers, and a better placement of ports		23:58
yigal	160hours of battery life that would be awesome	23:59
nid0	dmj7261 - looked at the always innovating touchbook?	23:59
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Arif_	the cord thingy is at the wrong side of the N900	23:59
dmj7261	Actually, an n900 with two screens wouldn't be bad if one could be the keyboard.	23:59
Arif_	the microphone is facing to the bottom if you have it around your neck	23:59

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