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| antii | stupid music player n900 got | 00:17 |
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| openstandards | hi all can anyone tell about the telepathy bug that affects the n900when dealing woth aol | 00:20 |
| antii | im playing a song in my current playlist, adding a new one but its not getting there | 00:20 |
| antii | >_< | 00:20 |
| ptl | file a bug in bugzilla | 00:23 |
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| Wizzup | Does the n900 ever run at the said 600 Mhz? | 00:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:01 |
| GuySoft | gpe-todo is giving me "database locked" errors when trying to add a new item. where is its databse? | 01:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | look at /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state | 01:02 |
| cehteh | Wizzup: way too often :P | 01:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~10% of the time for me this session | 01:02 |
| cehteh | yes same here | 01:03 |
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| Wizzup | SpeedEvil: I can't make full sense out of the numbers yet | 01:03 |
| cehteh | well 10% of active time | 01:03 |
| Wizzup | hm | 01:03 |
| Wizzup | I see. | 01:03 |
| cehteh | that doesnt count sleep state | 01:03 |
| V13 | I believe it counts jiffies ? | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Wizzup: each of those numbers is 1/100th of a second IIRC | 01:04 |
| Wizzup | Yeah, I just saw that after I asked. /me asks too quickly | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | so 600 100000 | 01:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | means it's spent 1000 seconds at 600MHz | 01:04 |
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| V13 | it seems that when it is connected to usb it only goes to 500MHz | 01:06 |
| V13 | not lower | 01:07 |
| V13 | this shows that it is 1/100: watch -n 1 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state | 01:07 |
| cehteh | yeah gouverneur found some problems with usb yesterday ... it sucks power like no more then | 01:07 |
| cehteh | gouverneur: details? bugreport? | 01:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | With my device - it's in 250 95% of the time, and 500 5% | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | it's on the floor on charge | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | with the display off | 01:10 |
| V13 | usb or or other ? | 01:10 |
| V13 | I meant when connected to pc | 01:10 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:11 |
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| ShadowJK | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpuidle has info on the various sleep states too (time_in_state is only about when CPU has been active) | 01:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | it'd be lovely to teach htop or whatever about this. | 01:15 |
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| ShadowJK | powertop knows about the sleep states | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | (the nokia one) | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 01:15 |
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| djkrikke | Hi, I'm wondering if it is possible to send and receive sms's on a computer by using the n900. I know this is possible with symbian devices and pc suite | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: on that topic - I wonder what the hell is doing DMA several hundred times a second | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - maybe the charger monitoring | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | I'd think that's i2c | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 01:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | I question if it's really needed to poll the battery at 500hz though | 01:17 |
| djkrikke | Somebody knows how to achieve this sms thing? | 01:18 |
| cehteh | charging on wall charger has not this problems | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - 84/s - is slightly more reasonable. | 01:19 |
| cehteh | djkrikke: possible yes, but i dont know if a app exists for that | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, when connected to computer, I wonder if it's controlling the charge in software to keep below 500mA :) | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | not completley implausible | 01:20 |
| cehteh | lol | 01:20 |
| ShadowJK | DMA could be sgx too | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | and I think there are a couple of DMA engines you can use for copying stuff around | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | ARM SoCs tend to have useful things like that | 01:21 |
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| ibz | hi, anyone feel like testing packages for mutt, newsbeuter? | 01:23 |
| alterego | Must say, I quite like Qt Creator | 01:24 |
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| pta0007 | i like qt creator as well | 01:24 |
| Jaffa | alterego: I've had a brief play and it was promising. qemu/MADDE/Maemo environment integration will be good | 01:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: actually - on unplugging - it's not so bad at all. ~34. With most of that being xchat | 01:25 |
| alterego | Slightly different to what I'm used to, but I can see myself getting quite accustomed to it. | 01:25 |
| alterego | Yeah, can't wait for the VM, MADDE and remote debugging integration :) | 01:26 |
| alterego | I think it looks very promising, certainly going to kick the butts of iPhone and Android SDK's IMO | 01:27 |
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| V13 | android's sdk is pretty decent i believe | 01:32 |
| V13 | when using eclipse | 01:32 |
| V13 | it uses qemu and you can decide where to output the app. It also has support for faking events like calls. | 01:33 |
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| V13 | I haven't programmed with it but I've seen it in action. | 01:33 |
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| alterego | eclipse is sluggish and slow. Qt Creator is really snappy, it fits realy nicely on my desktops resolution too, 1920x1600 | 01:36 |
| alterego | Anyhow, bed time for me I think. | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | night | 01:37 |
| ptl | already? | 01:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | to alterego. | 01:38 |
| ptl | eclipse is sluggish but it doesn't matter that much - the programs is builds are the ones that should be fast | 01:38 |
| * SpeedEvil is not quite going to bed yet. | 01:38 | |
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| asj | I want to like Qt Creator, but the syntax parsing/highlighting and ability to traverse code quickly by f3 is just so much better in eclipse | 01:40 |
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| ptl | You find differences in syntax highlighting? To me they're pretty much the same. | 01:42 |
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| V13 | 1920x1600 ? | 01:43 |
| V13 | you mean 1920x1200 ? | 01:43 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders where the phantom awk in powertop comes from | 01:44 | |
| * SpeedEvil stabs widescreen. | 01:44 | |
| ShadowJK | probably part of parsing powertop output | 01:44 |
| ShadowJK | I'd imagine | 01:44 |
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| V13 | speedevil: desktop command execution widget ? | 01:45 |
| asj | ptl: oh god know, ecplise is much more than just basic syntax highlighting | 01:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | V13: ps|grep awk shows null | 01:46 |
| V13 | yes... i'm looking for that too | 01:47 |
| asj | ptl: for example I know if there's syntax faults way before I ever start the compiler. Say you're passing an incompatible parameter into a function that get's highlighted, or when I ask for completions it gives me only variables that have compatible parameters | 01:47 |
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| lcuk | asj eww | 01:47 |
| lcuk | im a big boy now | 01:47 |
| lcuk | i know when my code is wrong ;) | 01:48 |
| lcuk | visual studio is similar in the way it tries to molly coder dev | 01:48 |
| lcuk | molly codel | 01:48 |
| asj | lcuk: I'm big enough to admit I don't and would rather know silly mistakes now rather than later | 01:48 |
| lcuk | reasonable enough, but for every keypress you make in the broken area its doing all that work, dont ou cuss at each slow delay | 01:49 |
| asj | plus eclipses refactoring is just light years ahead of qt creators | 01:50 |
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| asj | lcuk: 1st: with proper programming there's 0 reason for any of that. 2nd: you think I can type faster than any computer made in the last 15 years? | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | yes, exclipse manages to suck in all the available cpu power from nearby machines | 01:52 |
| moudmen | hello, i have a quick question, i have an n900 running maemo, i am about to flash it and i was thinking that it's much faster for me to download all the packages i need manually from the repo and then throw them in a directory on the mobile and then use dpkg to install them, the question is does dpkg support * ? like dpkg -i *.deb | 01:52 |
| V13 | awk doesn't show anywhere | 01:53 |
| nid0 | how's that faster? | 01:53 |
| ShadowJK | moudmen, not a good idea. | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | V13: maybe a treboot might fix it | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | moudmen, no wlan? | 01:54 |
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| moudmen | app manager refreshes each and every time i install a package, and that takes time | 01:54 |
| lcuk | moudmen, why is downloading manually faster than just backup/restore cycle? | 01:54 |
| moudmen | and i can't select many packages to be installed | 01:54 |
| lcuk | restore opens file manager and downloads the debs | 01:54 |
| moudmen | lcuk because i want a fresh installation of everything | 01:54 |
| lcuk | backup/restore gives a list of all installed things | 01:54 |
| V13 | SpeedEvil: I've writted a small script that does constant ps and diffs it with the previous one to catch the awk... but I can't see it | 01:54 |
| lcuk | you can ticky select those you want to restores | 01:54 |
| nid0 | moudmen thats the whole point of flashing | 01:54 |
| lcuk | run backup before you reflash | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | V13: me neither | 01:54 |
| lcuk | then restore | 01:55 |
| nid0 | taking a backup simply generates a list of apps | 01:55 |
| nid0 | then flash | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | V13: look in /proc/timer_stats | 01:55 |
| nid0 | then restore, and the apps get reinstalled from repos | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | V13: it's in there - in that it's not making it up | 01:55 |
| lcuk | the app manager will recover the list of repos | 01:55 |
| moudmen | oh, they get redownloaded on their own ? | 01:55 |
| nid0 | yes | 01:55 |
| lcuk | and also can give lovely list of apps | 01:55 |
| lcuk | yes | 01:55 |
| moudmen | i never tried it, i thought it would only backup the app settings | 01:55 |
| lcuk | its very good at that | 01:55 |
| lcuk | you can even attempt to re-re-re download those files at some even later date if you do not get all at once | 01:56 |
| lcuk | ie because a rpeo was offline or something | 01:56 |
| lcuk | same ticky list | 01:56 |
| lcuk | showing whats left to get | 01:56 |
| moudmen | hmm yea that seems much better, thanks for the hint | 01:56 |
| moudmen | yup got it | 01:56 |
| moudmen | but just out of curiosity, dpkg does or does not support the * ? | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | V13: still there after reboot | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | for x in * | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | do | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | whatever $x | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | done | 01:57 |
| moudmen | simple sh script u mean ? | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:57 |
| lcuk | moudmen yes it supports it | 01:57 |
| V13 | moudmen yes | 01:57 |
| lcuk | i did dpkg -i liq*.deb the other night | 01:57 |
| moudmen | okay then, thanks a lot for all the info | 01:58 |
| lcuk | after i vaped everything | 01:58 |
| lcuk | thats more of a problem for you tho | 01:58 |
| lcuk | if you just do *.deb | 01:58 |
| lcuk | cos dependencies | 01:58 |
| moudmen | dpkg also fetches from repo ? | 01:58 |
| lcuk | wont be downloaded | 01:58 |
| lcuk | use backup/restore | 01:58 |
| moudmen | oh okay | 01:58 |
| moudmen | i was thinking about that | 01:58 |
| moudmen | and then i thought i'd just reinstall everything that failed along with its dependencies | 01:59 |
| V13 | who do this ? | 01:59 |
| lcuk | yeah app manager has seen you coming already ;) | 01:59 |
| V13 | perhaps just do it via apt ? | 01:59 |
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| moudmen | i'm all new to debian, my 4th day now | 01:59 |
| V13 | thn don't do it | 01:59 |
| V13 | trust us :) | 02:00 |
| lcuk | no dont | 02:00 |
| lcuk | never trust us :P | 02:00 |
| moudmen | dont 'trust us' ? | 02:00 |
| moudmen | hehe | 02:00 |
| lcuk | read | 02:00 |
| lcuk | and learn | 02:00 |
| lcuk | especially about backup/restore :P | 02:00 |
| moudmen | oh i've been reading, a lot, but i don't think google will show me results about * | 02:00 |
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| luke-jr | trust me, you don't want to trust me. | 02:01 |
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| moudmen | you sound a lot like my x gf | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | it's a joke | 02:01 |
| moudmen | still sounds like her | 02:01 |
| lcuk | moudmen, http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?dpkg and wildcard * expansion in linux shell is expanded *before* the command is called | 02:02 |
| lcuk | so you saying "dpkg -i *.deb" is passed the command line "dpkg -i a.deb b.deb c.deb" | 02:02 |
| lcuk | the expansion is part of the shell itself | 02:02 |
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| V13 | perhaps she was right :) | 02:03 |
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| nid0 | big thumbs up to the author of sensitive motion tbh, really nifty game | 02:04 |
| moudmen | does dpkg obtain packages from repos as well or only apt-get does that ? | 02:04 |
| V13 | what /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-cpufreq does ? | 02:04 |
| luke-jr | moudmen: dpkg doesn't know anything about repos | 02:04 |
| moudmen | okay | 02:04 |
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| ptl | using alcohol on the N900's screen does damage to it? | 02:06 |
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| ptl | I want to know the beast way to clean it | 02:06 |
| V13 | tried it.. not | 02:06 |
| ShadowJK | I would not use alcohol on it | 02:06 |
| pupnik | hmm. 3g gets way more fun after midnight | 02:06 |
| V13 | i spoiled different things on screen.. no damage | 02:06 |
| moudmen | what's wrong with water ? | 02:06 |
| V13 | suggest water | 02:06 |
| ptl | water doesn't clean fat-based stuff | 02:06 |
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| moudmen | it's glass, it does clean fat-based stuff | 02:07 |
| ShadowJK | I just use the same thing I use to clean TFT screens with | 02:07 |
| pupnik | 240KiB/s podcast download. during the day it was dying. | 02:07 |
| ShadowJK | moudmen, the screen is not glass | 02:07 |
| pupnik | i use anything soft | 02:07 |
| moudmen | well, whatever it is, it's glassy, nothing that absorbs | 02:07 |
| ShadowJK | plastic | 02:07 |
| moudmen | plastic ? really ? | 02:08 |
| cehteh | yes | 02:08 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 02:08 |
| cehteh | resistive touchscree | 02:08 |
| cehteh | n | 02:08 |
| moudmen | i never knew resistive are made of plastic | 02:08 |
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| moudmen | oh | 02:08 |
| moudmen | right | 02:08 |
| ShadowJK | There IS a glass surface, but it's further down | 02:08 |
| moudmen | now it makes sense | 02:08 |
| moudmen | yea | 02:08 |
| ShadowJK | Even on "regular" nokia phones, the outer surface is a plastic window protecting the real glass surface beneath | 02:09 |
| moudmen | any hopes about a meboo-capacitive screen phone in the future btw ? | 02:09 |
| moudmen | anyone heard ? | 02:09 |
| moudmen | meebo* | 02:09 |
| cehteh | meego? | 02:10 |
| moudmen | sorry, too sleepy to think straight | 02:10 |
| * cehteh still hopes for resistive there too, but well .. i have a n900 and will not buy the next one | 02:10 | |
| moudmen | meego yes | 02:10 |
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| nid0 | hopefully give it a year and all phones will be capacitive made from gorilla glass | 02:11 |
| ptl | capacitive doesn't allow for styluses | 02:11 |
| cehteh | not even fingernails | 02:11 |
| moudmen | i'm just a big fan of multi touch, and i don't think that's gonna be real accurate on resistive | 02:11 |
| cehteh | and have horrible resolution | 02:11 |
| luke-jr | moudmen: LOL? | 02:11 |
| moudmen | ha ? | 02:12 |
| luke-jr | moudmen: the one big difference between capacitive and resistive is that resistive is far MORE accurate | 02:12 |
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| * ShadowJK wishes for resistive | 02:12 | |
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| moudmen | okay but, add multi touch to resistive, and it won't be as accurate | 02:12 |
| cehteh | and by 'far more' he means 100 times more | 02:12 |
| jacquesdupontd | hi guys | 02:12 |
| moudmen | pressure points will collide at some point | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | moudmen, interesting assertion | 02:13 |
| cehteh | btw any trick to emulate a right button click on the n900? | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, don't we all. | 02:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Really stupid of Nokia to abandon most of their existing customer base like this. | 02:13 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, in what app? | 02:13 |
| cehteh | xchat | 02:13 |
| ShadowJK | long tap | 02:13 |
| * luke-jr wishes for >4" resistive | 02:13 | |
| ShadowJK | (hold it) | 02:14 |
| cehteh | doesnt seem to work | 02:14 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: be careful not to move :P | 02:14 |
| ptl | You know | 02:14 |
| ptl | my previous mobile phone/phoney thingy was an HTC Athena | 02:14 |
| cehteh | channel switcher as tree | 02:14 |
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| LinuxCode | cehteh, die before touching | 02:14 |
| ptl | with Windows Mobile 6.1 | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 02:14 |
| ptl | had a 5" screen | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 02:14 |
| luke-jr | ptl: fit in your pocket? | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | yeah I get no context menu in the tree channel switcher | 02:14 |
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| ptl | luke-jr: only when I started buying pants with very big pockets | 02:15 |
| cehteh | on my laptop there is one | 02:15 |
| ptl | luke-jr: it also had a magnetic keyboard | 02:15 |
| cehteh | both xchats are almost identically configured | 02:15 |
| ptl | luke-jr: it looked like a micro-laptop | 02:15 |
| luke-jr | magnetic?? | 02:15 |
| ptl | luke-jr: I feel much better now with the N900. The screen is much smaller, but the resolution is much better and it is much faster - and I happen to use my mobiles mainly for reading ebooks. | 02:16 |
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| ptl | luke-jr: yeah, magnetc... it would attach magnetically to the base of the phone | 02:16 |
| gouverneur | moudmen: polyesther it is | 02:16 |
| luke-jr | oh | 02:16 |
| gouverneur | cehteh: no bugreport yet | 02:16 |
| ptl | it was a separate piece | 02:16 |
| luke-jr | I see. | 02:16 |
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| moudmen | i just read that, true | 02:17 |
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| moudmen | alrite then, gnite, thanks for the help | 02:17 |
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| w00t_ | if anyone has been following my python tutorials, new one is up at http://blog.rburchell.com/2010/02/pyside-tutorial-model-view-programming_22.html | 02:18 |
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| V13 | gn8 | 02:19 |
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| pupnik | one problem with the N900 doing SO MANY things, is im not interested in most of the discussions on tmo | 02:19 |
| ptl | python tutorials? cool | 02:20 |
| ptl | just what I needed | 02:20 |
| ptl | I was very interested in programming for the N900 | 02:21 |
| w00t_ | ptl: if there's anything you'd like to see covered, drop a comment on there and I'd be glad to look into it at some point | 02:21 |
| ptl | but my master graduate course was at the end... | 02:21 |
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| ptl | w00t_: thanks | 02:21 |
| ptl | and I just graduated, this friday | 02:21 |
| w00t_ | grats | 02:21 |
| bjv | anyone know what to read in /proc for % battery charge and est. active time? | 02:21 |
| w00t_ | bjv: lshal | grep batt | 02:21 |
| antii | hm, can I sync my google calander with the one in n900? | 02:24 |
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| asj | antii: yyes | 02:24 |
| bjv | woah, gross. | 02:24 |
| bjv | i wonder if advanced-power-monitor isnt just doing battery.voltage.current / battery.voltage.design | 02:25 |
| bjv | to get the % battery figure it presents. | 02:25 |
| cehteh | bjv: lshal |grep batt | 02:25 |
| bjv | yeah, battery.charge_level.percentage says 100 | 02:25 |
| cehteh | hm lag :0 | 02:25 |
| gouverneur | bjv: or hal-devices bme|grep batt | 02:25 |
| gouverneur | same thing | 02:26 |
| gouverneur | bjv: had't have 100% yet | 02:26 |
| antii | asj: cool | 02:27 |
| * luke-jr bets there is no way to see battery level in /proc cuz it's bypassing Linux entirely | 02:27 | |
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| gouverneur | luke-jr: 2nd that | 02:28 |
| gouverneur | its bme only | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 02:28 |
| luke-jr | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 02:29 |
| luke-jr | ---------------- | 02:29 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 02:29 |
| luke-jr | how did SpeedEvil do that one? | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | dropped keyboard | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | then picked it up | 02:29 |
| luke-jr | but | 02:29 |
| luke-jr | it was longer than FreeNode's line limit | 02:29 |
| lcuk | how the hell did you type on luke-jr's keyboard too? | 02:29 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 02:29 |
| pupnik | :) | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm just that awesome. There are no line limits for me. | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: he's over at my house | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | nothing special about that one | 02:30 |
| bjv | advanced-power-monitor however displays a percentage | 02:30 |
| bjv | which is very close to battery.voltage.current / battery.voltage.design | 02:30 |
| bjv | oh wait there are mAh coming out of hal | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I got a 'unrecognised command -----------' from server box at the same time | 02:30 |
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| bjv | i bet advanced-power-monitor is using current mAh/spec | 02:30 |
| bjv | not voltage | 02:30 |
| bjv | that would be more reliable | 02:31 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, xchat? | 02:31 |
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| pupnik | wow the nurse here is using a modem that i can hear across the hall | 02:31 |
| ShadowJK | there's also a percentage coming out of bme | 02:32 |
| pronto | pupnik: where are you? :| | 02:32 |
| pronto | i havent seen a modem in use in years | 02:32 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: ?? | 02:32 |
| pupnik | neurosurgery clinic | 02:32 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, xchat splits long messages | 02:32 |
| luke-jr | pupnik's getting Linux installed in his brain | 02:32 |
| pronto | haha epic | 02:33 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: so does every modern IRC client | 02:33 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, I am guessing SpeedEvil's client doesn't, and thus just ran into the limit | 02:33 |
| pronto | dont you usally have to set up log splitting? | 02:33 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: too scared to CTCP VERSION me? | 02:34 |
| ShadowJK | it didn't occur to me :) | 02:34 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: SpeedEvil isn't using a proper client :D | 02:34 |
| asj | ShadowJK: the IRC rfc has a line limit of around 430 chars | 02:35 |
| luke-jr | asj: FreeNode's is advertised in its MOTD-type data | 02:35 |
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| asj | motd data isn't in the rfc ;) | 02:36 |
| ShadowJK | Well it's something like 512-src-dst etc | 02:36 |
| ShadowJK | there was an IETF draft for the 005 isupport stuff | 02:36 |
| * ptl-nokia testing IRC on the N900... | 02:36 | |
| asj | (not like the rfc is relevant much these days, especially since utf8 is pretty normal now, and well it's too damn old) | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | asj: FreeNode doesn't comply with the RFC | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | which is fine since there are unofficial extension standards that it does seem to comply with | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | I just wish they would adopt the modern specs in addition to old IRC | 02:37 |
| gouverneur | asj: utf-8 pretty normal? tell microsoft that it is pretty normal... | 02:37 |
| ptl | color test | 02:37 |
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| asj | gouverneur: we're talking about irc, I don't think there's an official MS client | 02:38 |
| gouverneur | colors are awesome... | 02:38 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, rfc1459 + 005 is probably the sanest. that 2xxx something rfc was a one-sided rfc written by one network (IRCNet) to describe their own strange setup, and they aren't even following it themselves anymore.. | 02:38 |
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| ShadowJK | asj, ms comic chat | 02:38 |
| ShadowJK | :D | 02:38 |
| ptl | does this channel strip colors? | 02:38 |
| asj | ShadowJK: and that's been dead since 99? | 02:39 |
| luke-jr | asj: Microsoft actually has *two* IRC clients at least | 02:39 |
| gouverneur | ptl: is this text yellow for you? | 02:39 |
| * asj #looks at# ShadowJK or wtf the syntax was | 02:39 | |
| ShadowJK | http://www.irc.org/tech_docs/draft-brocklesby-irc-isupport-03.txt <- this is what freenode sends in the "motd type data" | 02:39 |
| ptl-nokia | gouverneur: no. | 02:39 |
| nid0 | +c channel mode removes colours | 02:40 |
| nid0 | this chan's +cnt | 02:40 |
| asj | man if only for vowels | 02:40 |
| luke-jr | FreeNode should implement XEP 0045 :D | 02:41 |
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| ptl | and what's that? | 02:42 |
| luke-jr | "Multi-User Chat" | 02:42 |
| luke-jr | Standards Track, Draft, last updated 2010-01-21 | 02:42 |
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| asj | irc for xmpp | 02:43 |
| gouverneur | asj: I dont know how many times I now read this msg about wrong charsets used between clients within hildon-conversation | 02:43 |
| luke-jr | MUC for XMPP ;) | 02:43 |
| luke-jr | IRC is the old standard for MUC | 02:43 |
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| ShadowJK | let's just wait for IRC3 | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | it's only been in the protocol-draft stage for 15 years | 02:44 |
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| luke-jr | XMPP MUC deprecates IRC | 02:44 |
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| ShadowJK | does it have something better than spanning tree hierarchy? | 02:45 |
| luke-jr | neither IRC MUC nor XMPP MUC defines server-to-server communications | 02:46 |
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| ShadowJK | well that sucks then ;) | 02:46 |
| luke-jr | actually, I think IRC does, but nobody uses it | 02:47 |
| ShadowJK | the basics are the same | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | sure | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | why does it suck? | 02:47 |
| ShadowJK | for all current implementations | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | not defined > defined in a sucky way | 02:47 |
| ShadowJK | Well I mean in general IRC is fine as it is, except for netsplits :D | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | the effects of netsplits could be reduce significantly if the servers weren't essentially connected in a spanning tree configuration | 02:49 |
| ShadowJK | if they could have redundant links or loops and could handle that | 02:49 |
| antii | gah, tried setting up a sync with google calender but it gave me an error :[ | 02:49 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I propose every server connect to every other server? :P | 02:51 |
| antii | ugh, how can I connect to a hidden ssid (wlan) with the n900? | 02:53 |
| nid0 | when it asks to scan | 02:53 |
| nid0 | say no | 02:53 |
| nid0 | type in the ssid | 02:54 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, yeah, but that's a "goal" rather than a method ;) Say you have 3 servers, one on Cogent, one on Level3, one on AT&T. Cogent and Level3 get upset at eachother and kill connections to eachother (again, sigh! :P) .. With current IRC, if the C (Cogent) server was connected to A (AT&T) which is connected to L(Level3), nothing happens. If A and C were connected to L, the network splits into 3 pieces, until someone reconfigures (or it automatically reco | 02:54 |
| nid0 | leave the "network is hidden" default checkbox checked | 02:54 |
| ShadowJK | nfigures itself) it to use L or A as "hub" instead.. seen as massive joins/parts in the channels... | 02:54 |
| nid0 | carry on setting up as normal | 02:54 |
| antii | nid0: ok thx | 02:54 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, in the case of all servers connected to all servers, you have to define a clever method for how to make one server relay to another that might not be directly reachable, without causing alot of redundant traffic, and without causing messages to go around in loops | 02:54 |
| nid0 | when everyone knows the easier answer is not accept cogent-connected servers onto your network \o/ | 02:55 |
| ShadowJK | there's that :) | 02:55 |
| ShadowJK | But fibres break all the time and routers choke... | 02:55 |
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| antii | any good terminal font to recommend? | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Terminus, Monaco | 03:12 |
| Proteous | I like Droid Sans Mono myself | 03:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Droid luver | 03:13 |
| antii | Proteous: i installed em but do i have to reboot? | 03:13 |
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| Proteous | antii: if they aren't showing up then I would def try a reboot | 03:13 |
| antii | ok | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or you can update the font cache | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | But reboot is easier | 03:13 |
| antii | what command for updating cache? | 03:14 |
| openstandards | hi whats the difference between, msn-butterfly....pecan and haze? | 03:14 |
| Proteous | no idea | 03:15 |
| Proteous | antii, what's wrong with rebooting? | 03:15 |
| Proteous | people always want to go the hard route | 03:15 |
| Proteous | think it makes them l337 or something | 03:16 |
| Proteous | "but my uptime!!!1!!" | 03:16 |
| nid0 | phone uptime's where it's at clearly | 03:16 |
| Proteous | yeah... | 03:16 |
| Proteous | chicks dig uptime | 03:16 |
| Proteous | everyone knows this | 03:16 |
| ptl | lol | 03:17 |
| ptl | it's not your mobile 'uptime' that they dig tho | 03:17 |
| antii | Proteous: did reboot and now its working yay | 03:18 |
| nid0 | no girls for you. | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Proteous: obviously you're too young to understand that uptime thing :-) That's a old hacker/sysop manerism | 03:22 |
| Proteous | I know what it is about :) | 03:23 |
| Proteous | just makin fun | 03:23 |
| antii | awsum to irc from phone | 03:23 |
| Proteous | yes | 03:23 |
| antii | :)) | 03:23 |
| Proteous | welcome to the awesome club antii | 03:23 |
| antii | thx | 03:23 |
| Proteous | heh | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 03:24 |
| antii | <3 openssh | 03:24 |
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| LinuxCode | Maemo should get a inbuilt guru meditation error, like the Amiga used to have | 03:36 |
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| LinuxCode | if random() { crash } | 03:36 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 03:36 |
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| asj | LinuxCode: this the same LC that used to be on linpeople years ago? | 03:37 |
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| LinuxCode | no | 03:37 |
| b-man17 | woops | 03:37 |
| asj | toobad | 03:37 |
| LinuxCode | asj ;-] | 03:37 |
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| Andy80 | what is the apposite channel where I can get help about UI desing? | 03:56 |
| Andy80 | someone told me, but I forgot :\ | 03:57 |
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| lcuk | Andy80, #maemo-ui | 03:58 |
| lcuk | but ppl arent at work till tomorrow | 03:58 |
| Andy80 | lcuk: isn't a community suported channel? is it driven by nokians? | 03:59 |
| lcuk | Andy80, bit o both, speaking of which, bedtime for me | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lot of the Maemo UI team is in there. | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Offline now, probably, though. | 04:00 |
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| Andy80 | I'll come back tomorrow then :) | 04:00 |
| antii | ugh | 04:01 |
| antii | trying to follow this guide: http://nokiaaddict.com/2010/01/11/n900-how-to-get-last-fm-in-vagalume/ but I dont understand where I can find my MY api key on lastfm? | 04:01 |
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| Andy80 | antii: first you need to subscribe to last.fm, then you have to request for your own developer api | 04:03 |
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| antii | ah | 04:03 |
| Andy80 | antii: just request your key here http://www.lastfm.it/api/account | 04:05 |
| antii | found it | 04:05 |
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| LinuxCode | can one download maps for ovi on the N900 ? | 04:16 |
| * LinuxCode has a mate who would like to do that | 04:16 | |
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| ali1234 | there was a way, yes | 04:18 |
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| ali1234 | can't find the link now though | 04:23 |
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| LinuxCode | ali1234, nvm | 04:24 |
| LinuxCode | got it | 04:24 |
| LinuxCode | ta | 04:24 |
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| pupnik | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/21/acta-internet-enforc.html New US Goverment proposal for secret copyright treaty leaked. | 04:44 |
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| pupnik | "This also includes takedown procedures for trademark infringement, as well as the existing procedures against copyright infringement...." | 04:49 |
| pupnik | welcome to hell | 04:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | <3 Obama | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's all about Change, man! | 04:53 |
| pupnik | it has nothing to do with that man really | 04:53 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | are you saying you don't respect intellectual property?! | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | just watched a TV report of '96, about CIA fighting and killing black panther and indigene initiatives. Wondered what's Obana's statement to this, and to the people still in jail for nothing | 04:55 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it's the country of unlimited possibilities, no? | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | CutMeOwnThroat: hehe, exactly my voiceless comment when I seen that | 05:00 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ops, guess that was a germanism - english term would be "land of opportunities", I guess | 05:01 |
| pupnik | these are just some crokked assholes hiding in a resort drafting pieces of paper. they are not all powerful | 05:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the GVMNT? | 05:02 |
| pupnik | a few people | 05:02 |
| pupnik | get it? | 05:02 |
| pupnik | people stop that kind of foolishness all the time | 05:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, too subtle for me. No native speaker here | 05:05 |
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| pupnik | ))) The next meeting of ACTA negotiators will take place in New Zealand in April. ((( | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | am I supposed to know ACTA? Or is this a US-only topic with less relevance to anybody outside US? | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, you should. | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, spotted ACTA in the URL | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, because it's set to fuck over everybody. | 05:16 |
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| * DocScrutinizer (c) hates to even deal with info about that shit | 05:17 | |
| pupnik | we can stop that crap. do you think isps want to become policemen? | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | how? | 05:19 |
| cehteh | where does omweather store its config? | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | europe isp are obliged to spend mio. for playing policemen right now | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | as are telcos | 05:20 |
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| pupnik | draw the consequences for peopkle | 05:21 |
| pupnik | what happens if you take holiday snaps and someones logo is in your pic? | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | what, a website caling me an asshole? Despite that's maybe correct, I'm not going to kick the author down the main boulevard. No, I sue ISPs for giving people access to that website - that's INSANE | 05:23 |
| pupnik | http://wd.sharethis.com/share3x/lightbox.3aeb20f924d90e0b4e6668c1edee0e30.html#init/publisher=5d686cfa-78b6-4416-aa6d-f513f23740a2/type=website/hash_flag=false/sessionID=1266808166395.76051/fpc=6f69f6a-126f3a697fc-10f31a96-1/pUrl=http%253A%252F%252Fcomputerworld.co.nz%252Fnews.nsf%252Fnews%252Fleaked-acta-draft-treaty-reveals-plans-for-internet-clampdown | 05:24 |
| pupnik | sorry | 05:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | forgot where you've been 2009-08-17 20:33 ? Ask your GSM carrier, he'll know. Though probably only "discloses" via a special crypted interface for law enforment which is obaque even to the carrier's sysop | 05:28 |
| antii | screenshot app for maemo? | 05:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | antii, ctlr-shift-p | 05:30 |
| antii | shit, good command :) | 05:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | load applet (cpu & mem usage, screenshots, record screencasts) | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAM -> search -> "screenshot"; 'name and description' | 05:35 |
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| Proteous | http://www.fandanta.org/mike/junk.jpg | 06:03 |
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| antii | :): | 06:04 |
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| antii | no n900 on it ;) | 06:04 |
| Proteous | had to use it to take the picture :P | 06:04 |
| antii | :D | 06:04 |
| Proteous | tried to take one with a diff phone camera but it's camera sucks hardcore | 06:04 |
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| antii | heh | 06:05 |
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| leandroal | is maemo provide any api for read/write data in the sim card with the option to only allow my application to do that? or, is it possible to use the SD card to do this, since it means Secure Digital? | 06:11 |
| ShadowJK | no | 06:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no AT+CSIM ? | 06:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I seem to miss the point of leandroal's question | 06:22 |
| ShadowJK | he basically wants some evil drm | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeek, the nausea strikes again | 06:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we got cryptofs, IMEI, device ser#. Dunno what more you'd need to make your whet dreams come true, except if you Pinky or Brain | 06:27 |
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| leandroal | DocScrutinizer, how the cryptofs works? | 06:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | leandroal: basically you have a "drive" which needs a password to mount. Otherwise you can't access | 06:41 |
| leandroal | DocScrutinizer, hum... the problem is that where to store this password, knowing that I want only my application to have access to the filesystem | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's impossible. You need to keep the password outside of the system (in your brain, e.g.) | 06:43 |
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| leandroal | DocScrutinizer, this is the point, what I want is something that only my application can read/write, even the user can read or write there, what means, (s)he must also don't know the password. | 06:44 |
| leandroal | ... in this case, the password should be stored in the application space, what is secure hard to implement | 06:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | leandroal: go away! I won't support such crap (and N900 luckily also doesn't support) | 06:45 |
| leandroal | but thank you for the tip anyway, I will consider a combination of them... | 06:45 |
| microlith | leandroal: why are you trying to do that? | 06:46 |
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| leandroal | DocScrutinizer, I don't know the reason to react like you did, better to find a doctor, it seems you're depressive... | 06:48 |
| leandroal | microlith, it is for a particular project and I can't talk about. | 06:48 |
| microlith | leandroal: because your idea sounds like DRM, where your application is trying to keep data secret from the user, while storing the password on the device | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, I'm upset about DRM wankers trying to "unroot" user on their own devices | 06:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I'm absolutely sure this is a healty notion and doesn't require any medical traetment | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | leandroal: in other words, you want to lock the owner of the device out from their own property | 06:52 |
| luke-jr | leandroal: DocScrutinizer's reaction was quite justified | 06:52 |
| luke-jr | it's HIS computer, it had better do what he tells it to | 06:52 |
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| microlith | doh | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | that said, it's possible to do it, but I won't help you either and I hope you never figure it out | 06:53 |
| microlith | you do realize he probably never got any of your messages | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | heh | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It may be a commercial deployment | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | In which case locking the user out is acceptable. | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke DRM | 06:54 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DRM ... B☢☢M! | 06:54 | |
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| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: then they just take the user out of sudo :p | 06:54 |
| arachnist | nothing like copying photos from my old phone, over usb... 1GB of data at 320KB/s | 06:55 |
| antii | :) | 06:55 |
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| arachnist | note: i own and use N900 ever since it got released | 06:56 |
| antii | i got a n900 yesterda | 06:56 |
| antii | y | 06:56 |
| antii | only thing i find bad about it is the apps, to small sortiment :/ | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oooh, BootScreen | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ??? | 06:56 |
| arachnist | i don't miss anything, except from maybe some games | 06:56 |
| antii | had a android before | 06:57 |
| antii | much more apps | 06:57 |
| arachnist | but for those, i can use GB/GBA emulators | 06:57 |
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| * DocScrutinizer thinks antii is missing a few repositories | 06:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even -extras ? | 06:58 |
| antii | ? | 06:58 |
| antii | how do i check | 06:58 |
| asj | antii: turn on the repo extras, extra-testing and extras-devel for some pant wetting times | 06:58 |
| asj | antii: App Manager->menu->repo | 06:59 |
| arachnist | extras-devel might not be such a great idea | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | app manager -> catalogues -> maemo-extras -> uncheck_disable | 06:59 |
| asj | arachnist: that's what I mean, when you find out the deb is messed and up and cant't be removed | 06:59 |
| antii | i got | 06:59 |
| antii | extras and testing | 06:59 |
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| antii | should I add devel? | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | antii, no. | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 07:01 |
| antii | k | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, Extras ships enabled from PR1.1 onward. | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | antii, also see the Ovi Store | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | antii, which is only accessible through the browser. | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, pay better attention. :P | 07:02 |
| antii | ok | 07:02 |
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| arachnist | btw, is it just me, or is omweather updated every other day? | 07:02 |
| antii | any good apps tips? | 07:02 |
| arachnist | it almoast seems like it comes pre-packaged with forecasts ;) | 07:02 |
| jaem | antii, what sort of apps? | 07:02 |
| jaem | are you a new user? | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | lol | 07:03 |
| antii | jaem: all sort of good ones :P | 07:03 |
| antii | jaem: jup | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: lol | 07:03 |
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| antii | are there a twitter app? | 07:03 |
| arachnist | antii: omweather is a nice weather forecast widget | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: yeah, some apps seen updates twice a day lately | 07:03 |
| antii | arachnist: i got that one | 07:03 |
| arachnist | and as for twitter, i've seen quite a few | 07:03 |
| jaem | antii, Catorise (better app menu), ATI85 (TI graphing calc emulator)... | 07:04 |
| jaem | Jamaendo is nice for streaming creative-commons music, but I'm not sure if it's stable yet | 07:04 |
| antii | kk | 07:05 |
| antii | will check it out | 07:05 |
| antii | what about last.fm scrobbler? | 07:05 |
| jaem | antii, I think there is one, but I can't remember | 07:05 |
| antii | ok | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | antii: keep track of 'df -h /' free space in root. You may bork your system by filling up too much. 10MB minimum | 07:06 |
| antii | DocScrutinizer: ok | 07:06 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer is referring to a terminal command, FYI | 07:06 |
| antii | wtf? :P | 07:06 |
| antii | how much space does / have? 1GB? | 07:06 |
| jaem | as in, go to the terminal app, and type that without quotes | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | 240MB | 07:07 |
| jaem | it's complicated - check the wiki | 07:07 |
| jaem | but yes | 07:07 |
| antii | kk | 07:07 |
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| antii | jaem: catorise was nice. | 07:08 |
| antii | DocScrutinizer: I got 160MB used | 07:09 |
| antii | DocScrutinizer: whats filling that one? | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | /libs, /var, /usr | 07:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | du -x|sort -n | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | du -x / |sort -n | 07:12 |
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| asj | 160megs in / is nothing | 07:15 |
| antii | ok | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoh, I'd be happy | 07:15 |
| antii | why u got more? | 07:15 |
| antii | :P | 07:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | installed apps | 07:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even cmdline pkgs | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | bash | 07:16 |
| antii | :-) | 07:16 |
| arachnist | http://xkcd.com/705/ <| lol | 07:17 |
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| antii | DocScrutinizer: like ssh from phone <3 | 07:17 |
| arachnist | from? | 07:18 |
| arachnist | ssh *to* the phone | 07:18 |
| antii | ssh from phone | 07:18 |
| arachnist | now that's awesome | 07:18 |
| antii | that too :-) | 07:18 |
| jaem | arachnist, yes indeed :) | 07:18 |
| jaem | as I've pointed out here before, it would be fun to log in to a lost phone and yell at people with espeak | 07:18 |
| antii | haha | 07:19 |
| sheepbat | or a stolen phone | 07:19 |
| antii | does that work? | 07:19 |
| jaem | sheepbat, that too. A guy at my uni is working on a system like that for his bike | 07:19 |
| arachnist | jaem: i often just log-in onto my n900 and play some music using mplayer when i can't find it | 07:19 |
| jaem | except with speakers that are a lot more powerful | 07:19 |
| jaem | arachnist, yes, and it's a good thing they include alsamixer | 07:19 |
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| sheepbat | how do you keep track of the phone's IP? | 07:20 |
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| arachnist | sheepbat: i added it to my dhcpd's config and gave it a static ip | 07:20 |
| jaem | sheepbat, you'd either need a static IP (apparently a few carriers allow that), or a dynamic-DNS client | 07:20 |
| sheepbat | ahhh.. yes | 07:21 |
| sheepbat | you know a good DDNS client? | 07:21 |
| jaem | arachnist, http://xkcd.com/530/ ? :D | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a cronjob pinging your home box every 5 min | 07:21 |
| arachnist | jaem: kinda ;> | 07:21 |
| jaem | sheepbat, I use no-ip, and they have a basic script that does it - I believe it's linked to from their website | 07:21 |
| jaem | let me see if I can find it | 07:21 |
| jaem | I'm not sure if it would work with the N900 without modification, though | 07:22 |
| jaem | here's the package from Debian: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=noip2&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | most GPRS providers use a NAT though. No access from outside to services on the phone | 07:23 |
| sheepbat | I was thinking that... | 07:23 |
| arachnist | you can always set-up openvpn | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 07:23 |
| arachnist | though that one drains battery quite a lot | 07:23 |
| jaem | hmm | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the problem. better way is to send a magic-word SMS to make the phone associate to your server | 07:25 |
| jaem | how complicated is it to submit and maintain packages through the autobuilder? (I can look up how - I'm just wondering about the complexity) | 07:25 |
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| jaem | one of the guys on my research team is close to a stable version of this (http://sourceforge.net/projects/vnsupport/ ). It's fairly obscure, so I'm not sure it warrants being in the repos for the near future, though | 07:26 |
| ShadowJK | You can set the ping interval in openvpn's config, so that it doesn't wake up radio and cpu too often. | 07:26 |
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| jaem | ...seeing as we aren't publicly releasing anything else any time soon | 07:27 |
| jaem | it's a communication library for this: http://www.vectornav.com/ | 07:27 |
| jaem | quite a cool little product | 07:27 |
| sheepbat | <looks> | 07:28 |
| sheepbat | a really high quality accelerometer? | 07:28 |
| jaem | sheepbat, 3-axis accelerometer, gyro, and magnetometer | 07:28 |
| jaem | with an on-board controller for all sorts of fun | 07:28 |
| sheepbat | ahhh.. okay | 07:28 |
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| jaem | we're using it over Bluetooth with an N900 | 07:28 |
| sheepbat | that's one way to get a compass in an N900 | 07:29 |
| jaem | sheepbat, for $500, yes :D | 07:29 |
| jaem | it's complete overkill for most applications of an in-phone compass, though | 07:29 |
| sheepbat | I bet | 07:29 |
| jaem | we need something good for what we're doing, though, and the compass is just one part of it | 07:30 |
| sheepbat | Mm | 07:30 |
| jaem | *sigh*... I forgot that I did a factory-reset on the dev board, though, and the config UI only works on Windows | 07:30 |
| antii | gah, how does vagalume work? :( cant get it to scrobble | 07:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~logs | 07:35 |
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| infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. | 07:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: we got livelog too? | 07:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, topic. Updated every 5 minutes. | 07:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 07:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, nonlol | 07:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer blind | 07:37 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, no timestamps :-S | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's been special treatment to tell "it can be done, but I hope you'll not figure how' X-P | 07:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | !logs | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, timestamped here. . . . | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/ | 07:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gah, missed the far scroll | 07:43 |
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| antii | whats meego | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird format | 07:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moblin-maemo-merger | 07:44 |
| jaem | antii, try going to MeeGo.com | 07:44 |
| jaem | also, #meego | 07:45 |
| antii | hm | 07:45 |
| antii | new stuff | 07:45 |
| antii | ? | 07:45 |
| sheepbat | it was just announced a week ago | 07:45 |
| jaem | it's recent, yes. | 07:45 |
| antii | oh | 07:45 |
| antii | new firmware? | 07:45 |
| sheepbat | not even there yet | 07:45 |
| antii | aha | 07:45 |
| sheepbat | we literally knew nothing about it until last monday | 07:45 |
| jaem | the idea is essentially to merge the two into a new distribution, which can target a wider selection of devices | 07:45 |
| jaem | it's also a lot more open, at least in terms of the base system | 07:46 |
| antii | jaem: alright | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's to proove yet | 07:46 |
| jaem | I have no doubt some vendors will put lousy proprietary UI layers on top | 07:46 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, well, from what I've seen | 07:46 |
| sheepbat | it was a bit of a gut punch initially to this community | 07:46 |
| sheepbat | and the real effects of this are yet to be seen | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, well, the working space is now out in the open. | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which improves the openness by default. | 07:47 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, and when I talked to Imad (top Intel guy on the project) on IRC, he seemed to confirm what I thought | 07:47 |
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| jaem | GeneralAntilles, yes, and I hear they've managed to (currently, at least) have all-free drivers (at the kernel level, anyhow)? | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, on N900 that's the case, too. | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I'm still not convinced mce will be open or replaced by something better | 07:48 |
| jaem | GeneralAntilles, Oh? I thought there was still one or two | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | for instance | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I'm sure it wont be. | 07:48 |
| jaem | guess I was wrong | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, however ICD will. | 07:48 |
| jaem | GeneralAntilles, well, that's a relief | 07:48 |
| jaem | is it being opened, or replaced? | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Replaced by conman | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which hopefully wont suck | 07:48 |
| jaem | ah, right | 07:48 |
| jaem | I've never tried it | 07:49 |
| jaem | that's what Moblin used, right? | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: pry to god, may be it helps | 07:49 |
| ptl | what's conman and icd? | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer? | 07:50 |
| jaem | ptl, network connection daemons | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | ptl, connection managers. | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: the DRM guy | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but I don't get what you were saying... | 07:50 |
| ptl | ok... | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: obviously without fritzchip aka TPM his plans are not feasible | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: so it's cute to tell him "it *can* be done..." | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: obviously (or not so obviously?) anything can be put in a SD card :x | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, dunno, I'm always optimistic about this stuff and often punished for me | 07:51 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, what's this about? | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | However the trend has been positive the last 5 years | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully it continues. | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: not to mention devices such as the N900 are designed to be online 24/7... | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yep | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | online licence manager | 07:52 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: theoretically, one could put a CPU inside a SD card, and run the app over remote-X | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: well the very recent version seems to suck less, agree | 07:53 |
| sheepbat | or inside the sim chip, luke-jr | 07:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | grr, I *really* feel nausea each time I talk bout DRM | 07:54 |
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| asj | sadly at this time in the market I'm not sure how many carriers would pick up a truely open phone | 07:55 |
| sheepbat | that is a very healthy attitude, DocScrutinizer | 07:55 |
| luke-jr | sheepbat: if they can control the SIM chip | 07:56 |
| sheepbat | they're working on sticking a whole android machine inside the sim chip | 07:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: SAT, AT+CSIM | 07:57 |
| sheepbat | http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sk-telecom-shoves-android-onto-a-sim-we-check-it-out/ | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: bwut?? | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | waaaah, | 07:58 |
| jaem | O_o Woahz | 07:58 |
| asj | heh, I was going to say a SIM is very big...uSIM isn't so bad ;) | 07:58 |
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| jaem | that's kind of neat in terms of tech, but I can see plenty of nastiness coming from that sort of thing | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: Sim Application Toolkit | 07:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asj: (pick up truely open) at this time N900 is as open as it gets, and still I heard some carriers sell it | 08:02 |
| sheepbat | really? | 08:03 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: oddly enough though tmo in the US isn't selling it, makes me wonder eh? | 08:03 |
| sheepbat | wait... yeah, I think I've seen a couple european carriers have it | 08:03 |
| lucent | TMO's 3G network in US is pathetic | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | N900 is as open as it gets *while still working* :p | 08:03 |
| ds3 | lucent: specifically, hhow so? | 08:03 |
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| luke-jr | there's still OpenMoko! | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ack :-P | 08:03 |
| sheepbat | it's *really* small, ds3 | 08:03 |
| lucent | ds3: coverage is very sparse | 08:03 |
| sheepbat | at least compared to the others | 08:04 |
| asj | I'm picking on TMO simply because the N900 has TMO frequency support which is only used 1 place in tyhe world | 08:04 |
| lucent | it's slow | 08:04 |
| sheepbat | only some major cities | 08:04 |
| asj | lucent: is right, truely aweful | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: jet for the carrier ther's zero diff tween N900 and FR | 08:04 |
| sheepbat | it's going to be used in canada as well though | 08:04 |
| ds3 | what is the 3G footprintcomparedto the 2.5G/EDGE footprint? | 08:04 |
| lucent | Tmobile's US coverage is 2 years timeline behind all other carriers | 08:04 |
| asj | sheepbat: "major" aka > 5 million people | 08:04 |
| jaem | luke-jr, that's true. If it came to it, I might a mostly-open phone with good support and hardware over a completely open one that flopped | 08:04 |
| ds3 | openmoko...HE HE HE HE | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yet | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I suppose. | 08:04 |
| lucent | I use Tmobile because it's cheaper and I have some coverage where I usually work and play | 08:04 |
| jaem | but I hope Nokia can keep on in the direction they're going | 08:04 |
| ds3 | TMO's coverage is better then ATT's fromwhat I am seeing | 08:04 |
| sheepbat | http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx?WT.z_unav=mst_global_cvg | 08:04 |
| sheepbat | have a look | 08:04 |
| ds3 | not what is claimed... I am interested in what is observed | 08:05 |
| ptl | how do I know which devices the ecoach heart rate monitor supports? | 08:05 |
| asj | ds3: not even close if you look at 3g, the 2g coverage varies by location in the country | 08:05 |
| lucent | ds3: naw, you have to pick 3G and you will see only the heart of major US cities have any coverage with Tmobile | 08:05 |
| ptl | I am trying to google for it but couldn't find it | 08:05 |
| jaem | ptl, not many, but it should be listed on the project page | 08:05 |
| ds3 | asj: what are you calling 2G? | 08:05 |
| jaem | or possibly on the Downloads page for eCoach | 08:05 |
| sheepbat | EDGE | 08:05 |
| asj | ds3: GSM | 08:05 |
| lucent | "EDGE" | 08:05 |
| jaem | I know I've found it, but I've never used the app | 08:05 |
| sheepbat | vs UMTS/HSDPA | 08:05 |
| ds3 | we seem to have some confusion here | 08:05 |
| lucent | Tmobile's agreements mean that you get data coverage even when Tmobile doesn't cover the area, but it's only EDGE roaming | 08:06 |
| ds3 | some folks are calling GSM 2G and others are calling EGPRS/EDGE 2.5G | 08:06 |
| lucent | oh | 08:06 |
| sheepbat | only the phone does that | 08:06 |
| sheepbat | we're all pretty much agreed that EDGE is best described as 2G | 08:06 |
| ptl | jaem: jaem do you know the project page? I can't find it either | 08:06 |
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| ptl | oh | 08:06 |
| asj | ds3: I don't think any of us are confused :) | 08:06 |
| jaem | ptl, give me a sec, but I'm kind of busy | 08:06 |
| ptl | found it | 08:06 |
| jaem | :) | 08:06 |
| lucent | ds3: truthfully I don't know the difference, I have EDGE "2.5G" at my apartment, and when I'm roaming out and about it's much much slower (GSM?) | 08:06 |
| ds3 | 2.5G avoids the confusion | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: in a few months that will change though. When I release a uSD GSM FW update image to make calypso use FOSS baseband | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: say what? | 08:07 |
| ds3 | lucent: interseting... I found EDGE to be a verynoticeable difference compared to GPRS | 08:07 |
| asj | lucent: heh, come over here and try true GSM/GPRS if you want slow. Edge is a nice step up at about 4 times the speed | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | you intentionally using terminology I don't know?? :p | 08:07 |
| jX | sheepbat: I disagree. I feel EDGE is best described as 2.17984G | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: http://lists.osmocom.org/pipermail/osmocom-announce/2010-February/000000.html | 08:07 |
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| luke-jr | oh, you're w/ OpenMoko | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | I think I knew that <.< | 08:08 |
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| asj | lucent: but 3G/UMTS/HPSPA recduces lantency under 300ms and the increased BW doesn't hurt | 08:08 |
| ds3 | judging from people's view that EDGE is not that fast means I should be pretty happy with the 3G situation then | 08:08 |
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| sheepbat | ? | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: what about FCC regulations? | 08:09 |
| asj | the biggest advantage to 3g for me is the ability to make sip calls | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I guess *then* carriers will definitely see diffs between N900 and FR ;-) | 08:10 |
| sheepbat | and no annoying GSM noise | 08:10 |
| asj | sheepbat: zit zit zit zit, what? | 08:10 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: any idea when/if FR prices will be updated to the current market prices? :P | 08:10 |
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| luke-jr | as in, "a N year old phone shouldn't cost as much as it did N years ago" | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: using this FOSS fw for baseband clearly is a crime :-P | 08:10 |
| luke-jr | crime?? | 08:11 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, I'd imagine some would claim so, but I'm all for it | 08:11 |
| jaem | is this something the OM people have written? | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: nota bene OM doesn't sell or support osmocom and the products they may publish | 08:11 |
| luke-jr | that post says Motorola phones... not FR? O.o | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | future plans | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | believe me, first platform they'll tackle is FR | 08:12 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: could this project be used w/ one of the Moto phones to turn it into a dumb bridge over BT to N8x0? :p | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 08:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's all about BP, not AP | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | BT is AP domain | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | if those Moto phones have any Application Processor at all | 08:14 |
| luke-jr | I'm guessing they don't | 08:15 |
| luke-jr | :p | 08:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, then all you need is a BT driver implemented into that RTOS, and a few gluescripts or something similar | 08:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: (market prices) seems those few FR out there are earning collector's item status. Nevertheless on ebay every now and then you can find a cheaper one | 08:28 |
| luke-jr | heh | 08:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | If eventually I make up my mind to clean my shelf, I'll drop you a notice :-D | 08:29 |
| goodwill | does anyone remember what is the actual meta package name for "Maemo 5" package | 08:30 |
| goodwill | fr somthing I think | 08:30 |
| jaem | goodwill, I was actually wondering that - poke me if you figure out, please *goes back to work* | 08:32 |
| goodwill | its been figured out by ruskie I think | 08:32 |
| goodwill | I just can not recall what it is | 08:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | appmanager says "Maemo 5, Version: 3.2010.02-8" | 08:33 |
| goodwill | ruskie: ping ... do you know the actual name of the "Maemo 5" meta package | 08:33 |
| ruskie | fremantle-generic-mp or something | 08:33 |
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| goodwill | right | 08:33 |
| ruskie | generic mp and fremantle are sure | 08:33 |
| ruskie | :) | 08:33 |
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| ruskie | I think it's one more and possibly not in the same order | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 08:33 |
| ruskie | yup | 08:33 |
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| goodwill | mp-fremantle-002-pr | 08:38 |
| goodwill | thats it | 08:38 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 08:39 | |
| goodwill | is mp-fremantle-002-pr installed on anyones n900 | 08:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | most people don't have 002 | 08:41 |
| goodwill | mine is not and its say it has unmet dependencies | 08:41 |
| goodwill | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 08:41 |
| goodwill | mp-fremantle-002-pr: Depends: hildon-initscripts (= 1.26-1+0m5) but 1.26-1+dp1 is to be installed | 08:41 |
| goodwill | interesting | 08:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and really, you don't want anything that isn't mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 08:42 |
| timeless_mbp | the alternative is that you get to wait longer for the same updates | 08:42 |
| goodwill | I do not have mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 08:42 |
| timeless_mbp | you should create a backup, download the latest generic flashable imagine | 08:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and reflash w/ it | 08:42 |
| timeless_mbp | then restore your backup | 08:43 |
| goodwill | odd | 08:43 |
| goodwill | I always just followed standard installed procedures | 08:43 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, the device you bought came "special" | 08:43 |
| goodwill | odd | 08:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | it works, just not as fast | 08:43 |
| goodwill | what is 002? | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Akamai determines update availability. | 08:43 |
| timeless_mbp | goodwill: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6878#c2 | 08:44 |
| povbot | Bug 6878: UK Country variant of firmware not available for download | 08:44 |
| timeless_mbp | 002 is apparently USA | 08:44 |
| goodwill | *blinks* | 08:44 |
| goodwill | I am in USA | 08:44 |
| timeless_mbp | 002/003 are probably released at roughly the same time as generic | 08:45 |
| timeless_mbp | 203 for whatever reason seems to be released about a month later | 08:45 |
| timeless_mbp | goodwill: anyway, most testing is done on generic | 08:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and afaik there is absolutely no benefit in using something other than generic | 08:46 |
| * goodwill wonders why by default my n900 has 002 | 08:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | it certainly isn't illegal to use generic and fly to these other countries | 08:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | goodwill: presumably your box came w/ a US charger | 08:47 |
| goodwill | yes | 08:47 |
| timeless_mbp | similarly the box for the UK came w/ a UK charger | 08:47 |
| timeless_mbp | thus at the factory they flashed w/ the US / UK variants respectively | 08:47 |
| timeless_mbp | from the factory side, it makes perfect sense | 08:47 |
| timeless_mbp | from a support(ed) side, the story isn't as good :) | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | What is the difference anyway? | 08:48 |
| goodwill | why even have anything but generic | 08:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | goodwill: anyway | 08:48 |
| goodwill | what is the difference? | 08:48 |
| timeless_mbp | no clue | 08:48 |
| timeless_mbp | it sounds like you have a repository you shouldn't have enabled, enabled | 08:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd suggest you disable everything except the product repository | 08:49 |
| goodwill | has nothing but the maemo.org enabled and firefox repo | 08:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, Firefox | 08:49 |
| goodwill | ther stable maemo.org | 08:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ovi Store is such a cop-out. | 08:49 |
| timeless_mbp | dp1 is available from the tools repository | 08:50 |
| timeless_mbp | it does not appear to be in the product repository | 08:50 |
| goodwill | ah yeas | 08:50 |
| RST38h | <YAWN> | 08:50 |
| goodwill | thats it | 08:50 |
| * timeless_mbp loves it when people lie | 08:50 | |
| RST38h | Heya, General | 08:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Morning, RST38h. | 08:51 |
| RST38h | How are things in the mae^H^H^H^Hmeegoland? | 08:51 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks for playing, next time, please don't lie to your doctor :) | 08:51 |
| * goodwill did not lie ... just did not scroll far enough | 08:51 | |
| goodwill | forgot about the tools one | 08:51 |
| goodwill | and did not see it on the list immediately | 08:51 |
| timeless_mbp | goodwill: fwiw "apt-cache policy ..." is how you check | 08:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I think the infection has reached my brain. http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4374755051/ | 08:51 |
| RST38h | OMG no way | 08:52 |
| tekojo | GeneralAntilles too much time? | 08:52 |
| RST38h | It is missing the Intel logo though. | 08:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, just over an hour. | 08:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, by the rear brake duct. | 08:53 |
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| RST38h | Oh, yes, so tiny... | 08:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | About 20 minutes for the Linux Foundation Logo, 20 for the MeeGo logo, the Intel, Nokia and Porsche logos I had lying around | 08:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Putting everything together was about 30 minutes. | 08:54 |
| * RST38h checks for qt version of xchat, just in case | 08:54 | |
| * GeneralAntilles needs to do some of those creepy MeeGo-ians for the hood. | 08:55 | |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://meego.com/community | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | As soon as X-Fade gets web access we need to have him add a caption to that picture. | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | "We surrender!" | 08:56 |
| RST38h | The last one in line is TexRat | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks more like Qole | 08:56 |
| * tekojo is thinking that the week starts like a Friday afternoon | 08:57 | |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 08:57 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 08:58 | |
| timeless_mbp | the skin they use sucks | 08:58 |
| RST38h | http://meego.com/developers <-- There is Kate | 08:58 |
| tekojo | Morning Stskeeps! | 08:58 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: the one w/ the lump on her head? | 08:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Is it Wednesday yet? | 08:58 |
| timeless_mbp | (and the pink purse) | 08:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, that's a hat and a netbook, clearly. | 08:58 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 08:58 |
| timeless_mbp | forgive me | 08:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 08:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I like the propaganda on that guy's laptop. | 08:59 |
| timeless_mbp | the laptop is bigger than the orange headed guy | 08:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | You think the green headed guy stabbed his eye out after installing scratchbox? | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | no, using | 09:00 |
| timeless_mbp | nah, just after walking into a nokia store | 09:00 |
| RST38h | General: Ovi experience. No doubts about it. | 09:00 |
| goodwill | ok ... downgraded hildon-scripts | 09:00 |
| RST38h | Am I the only one suspecting that they let Symbian web artist do the artwork? | 09:01 |
| timeless_mbp | the blue guy stopped using phones after a long talk to nokia care, he froze over and converted into a penguin | 09:01 |
| goodwill | that allowed mp-fremantle-002-pr to the system | 09:01 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: nah | 09:01 |
| timeless_mbp | the artistic styles are different | 09:01 |
| RST38h | Same mushrooms though... | 09:01 |
| timeless_mbp | this is probably moblin art (tm) | 09:01 |
| timeless_mbp | symbian uses lots of scribbles | 09:01 |
| goodwill | I wonder why tools repo has a different hildon-scripts | 09:01 |
| timeless_mbp | thinner lines | 09:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | goodwill: to be different! | 09:01 |
| goodwill | *blinks* | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, looks it | 09:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | the style here is very abstract | 09:02 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas the style there is very childish | 09:02 |
| timeless_mbp | this is 'paint by curved drawing tool' | 09:03 |
| timeless_mbp | that's 'paint with pencil' | 09:03 |
| * timeless_mbp has spent hours staring at developer.sybmian.org | 09:03 | |
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| villemv | nice inkscape training material I guess | 09:03 |
| villemv | "make you own meego guy" | 09:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I like how the artwork mostly serves to help enforce the Fischer Price image. | 09:04 |
| goodwill | so I was at socal moblin/meego talk yesterday ... no good answer from the guys doing the presnetation on whehter forexample hildon is making it into meego | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | goodwill: what talk? | 09:05 |
| goodwill | SCaLE | 09:05 |
| villemv | goodwill: I don't see it likely | 09:05 |
| villemv | hildon won't even make it to harmattan... | 09:05 |
| goodwill | Southern California Linux Expo | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | goodwill: was it official guys? | 09:05 |
| goodwill | yup | 09:05 |
| goodwill | official intel guys | 09:06 |
| RST38h | hildon is already in moblin afaik | 09:06 |
| goodwill | they got really grilled on maemo | 09:06 |
| RST38h | just not entirely | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | that said, maemo gtk is a clusterfuck | 09:06 |
| RST38h | sadly | 09:06 |
| RST38h | but wait until you see maemo qt... | 09:06 |
| goodwill | they said QT is officially supported gtk and clutter is supported | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | goodwill: got names? | 09:06 |
| goodwill | and so is WRT | 09:06 |
| goodwill | I have a card .... hold on | 09:06 |
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| goodwill | Stskeeps: Pete Kronowitt | 09:08 |
| goodwill | her said to email him about Hildon | 09:08 |
| goodwill | he | 09:08 |
| goodwill | I;ll do that tomorrow | 09:08 |
| goodwill | they did not go in on detail on the finger interface for Meego | 09:09 |
| goodwill | even though people pushed | 09:09 |
| villemv | goodwill: what's your specific interest in hildon about? something you could sort out by talking to the guys maintining it in gitorious? | 09:09 |
| goodwill | villemv: no specific interest ... but the Intel guy was not addressing Meego finger interface ... so I wondered | 09:10 |
| villemv | yeah, the gtk + clutter they were talking about probably wasn't the one in n900 | 09:11 |
| timeless_mbp | mutter | 09:11 |
| villemv | the story of harmattan hasn't changed AFAIK | 09:11 |
| timeless_mbp | mutter | 09:11 |
| timeless_mbp | villemv: there's a story? | 09:11 |
| villemv | timeless_mbp: the one talked publically. Gtk == community support | 09:11 |
| goodwill | yeah thats the feeling I got ... cause he did not say officially supported | 09:12 |
| goodwill | they did say Meego will have 6 month release period | 09:12 |
| goodwill | but that binary blobs in the kernel are all but unavoidable | 09:12 |
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| goodwill | though they intend to keep up with the latest | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: binary blobs in the kernel are illegal | 09:13 |
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| villemv | legality is debatable | 09:13 |
| goodwill | I mainly mean ... non-opensource drivers | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: illegal on Linux | 09:14 |
| goodwill | for 3g and what not | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | unless userland | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | goodwill: non open kernel drivers are avoidable | 09:14 |
| villemv | so who's going to sue? Linux Foundation? ;-) | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | firmware and userland less so | 09:14 |
| goodwill | though they said intel driver should be open source except for one issue they are trying to resolve | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | villemv: that's a different problem :( | 09:14 |
| goodwill | I also got a sense they are not really sure what nokia is doing | 09:15 |
| timeless_mbp | goodwill: surprise! | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | who is ever? ;) | 09:15 |
| * timeless_mbp doubts they're the only ones unsure about that | 09:15 | |
| goodwill | so I suspect nokia is just dumping maemo, moving to moblin/meego and intends to be a contributor | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: timeless_mbp and Stskeeps are on Nokia payroll and don't seem to have a clue what Nokia's doing <.< | 09:15 |
| goodwill | hehehe | 09:16 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr++ | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i am on community budget, not payroll :P | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: same diff? | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | very big diff | 09:16 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: arguably a distinction w/o a difference | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | goodwill: and bringing the only good pieces they have | 09:17 |
| timeless_mbp | in reality it means he doesn't get to come to some meetings where they discuss platitudes w/o understanding what a platitude is | 09:17 |
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| goodwill | soon enough what its called won't matter | 09:18 |
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| goodwill | gnu/linux is moving into mobile distros full speed | 09:18 |
| villemv | Stskeeps: so now you are technically paid by "MeeGo community"? | 09:18 |
| goodwill | as long as patches keep flowing the distros will be fine | 09:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | villemv: changing contracts is incredibly slow | 09:19 |
| timeless_mbp | so it's highly unlikely | 09:19 |
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| villemv | I can imagine | 09:19 |
| timeless_mbp | besides the community doesn't exist enough to do that | 09:19 |
| timeless_mbp | and if it was, i'd expect it'd be vaguely public knowledge | 09:19 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, i don't think meego exists in the same sense that maemo existed | 09:19 |
| timeless_mbp | i think in theory it'd be 'paid by LF to work on MeeGo' | 09:20 |
| villemv | as in, "actually"? :-P | 09:20 |
| timeless_mbp | neither of them really exist, but the hand wavers are different | 09:20 |
| MiXu- | I think maemo will not 'stop existing' as long as the community is alive. | 09:20 |
| goodwill | from the talk one thing was clear the whole MeeGo thing is going full steam on netbooks and atom ... no clue about ARM | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | villemv: no, maemo.org | 09:21 |
| RST38h | Mhm...Ok, small poll: Should I spend time on moving Vulture's Eye savefiles into ~user/.vultures or should the complainers just stuff it? | 09:21 |
| villemv | where are those savefiles now? | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | villemv: my role in meego is still unclear as with everyones | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | MiXu-: that would be correct if Maemo was ever open source. but it wasn't, and probably never will be if MeeGo replaces it. | 09:21 |
| RST38h | villemv: in the usual place for Nethack | 09:21 |
| villemv | Stskeeps: yeah, I would actually have been surprised if they got to the phase already where they have distinct budget | 09:22 |
| RST38h | usr/lib/vultures | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | villemv: hence need to clarify :) | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: at least 97 percent is better than 43 | 09:22 |
| villemv | yuck RST38h | 09:22 |
| RST38h | Don't blame me, I have not written Nethack | 09:22 |
| villemv | you can still fix it ;-) | 09:23 |
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| villemv | does XDG have canonical place for savegames? | 09:23 |
| RST38h | goodwill: There is no business reason why Intel would market it on ARM | 09:23 |
| MiXu- | luke-jr: Even if there will be no new products for the platform it doesn't mean it's dead. | 09:23 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I'd give Maemo 40% | 09:23 |
| RST38h | goodwill: Given that Moblin is basically a vehicle to sell more Atom CPUs | 09:24 |
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| RST38h | MiXu-: Actually, it does. | 09:24 |
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| RST38h | But you can believe that it is not dead for another 1...3...5...10 years if you are an Amiga user... | 09:24 |
| MiXu- | exactly! | 09:25 |
| RST38h | That is mental though, has no relation to reality | 09:25 |
| MiXu- | But there will be new software for maemo for quite a while | 09:25 |
| ptl | how many apps there are for the n900?" | 09:25 |
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| RST38h | MiXu-: Prolly not. As soon as Meego-based dev protos are available everyone will jump to Meego | 09:26 |
| RST38h | That is what has happened with Maemo4->Maemo5 shift after all | 09:26 |
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| ptl | you know... I am really stressed about N900. It is a product of awesome quality. However, it has not been recognized as such by the media. I can't see such a wonderful technological achivement fail just because of marketing. I want to keep my faith on mankind. | 09:28 |
| RST38h | Why? | 09:28 |
| ptl | few friends of mine are buying N900. | 09:28 |
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| villemv | actully, N900 won't be screwed in the sense n810 was screwed | 09:28 |
| ptl | it doesn't seem to be booming on the market | 09:28 |
| villemv | because the hw is ok | 09:28 |
| flux | ptl, well, it does have its downsides if you're actually want a phone.. | 09:28 |
| ptl | it does | 09:28 |
| RST38h | No, why do you want to keep your faith in mankind? | 09:29 |
| villemv | and qt allows somewhat tolerable porting | 09:29 |
| ptl | I didn't say it's perfect | 09:29 |
| RST38h | villemv: Not from gtk | 09:29 |
| ptl | RST38h: lol, why wouldn't I? it my species after all :) | 09:29 |
| MiXu- | Who'd be insane enough to develop anything for N900 with GTK at this point? | 09:29 |
| luke-jr | villemv: the N8x0 problem wasn't hardware | 09:29 |
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| RST38h | Well, last time I checked, Qt was kinda clumsy on N900 | 09:30 |
| ptl | does bounce evolution use QT or GTK? | 09:30 |
| RST38h | Slow to start, plenty of visual warts | 09:30 |
| MiXu- | Even if you're developing for meego, N900 is a pretty good platform to test your stuff on, until real meego hardware (and software) is available | 09:30 |
| villemv | RST38h: you checked 4.5? | 09:30 |
| RST38h | yes | 09:30 |
| ptl | Ovi Maps... QT or GTK+? | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | faith in mankind is an illness, curable though | 09:30 |
| villemv | RST38h: ok, don't lose your hope yet ;-) | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | but *dangerous* | 09:30 |
| goodwill | on thing the meego guy said is that a number of proprioetary video formats will be supported | 09:30 |
| goodwill | includign h264 | 09:31 |
| RST38h | villemv: None of my own apps rely on any toolkits | 09:31 |
| Speedy2 | www.search2.net | 09:31 |
| goodwill | I have no idea what it meant | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: just how proprietary is h264? | 09:31 |
| RST38h | villemw: So I am fine | 09:31 |
| villemv | RST38h: you use just xlib? | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | referring to patents? | 09:31 |
| villemv | or opengl? | 09:31 |
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| goodwill | luke-jr: licensing | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: patent licensing? | 09:31 |
| RST38h | villemw: I use a memory buffer and a blit | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: I know there's free software h264 decoders | 09:32 |
| * ptl gets losts | 09:32 | |
| villemv | RST38h: what apps are you doing if I may ask? | 09:32 |
| timeless_mbp | oh right | 09:32 |
| goodwill | luke-jr: I do not know ... I did not get the details | 09:32 |
| RST38h | villemw: http://fms.komkon.org/fMSX/snaps/Menu.gif | 09:32 |
| timeless_mbp | WTF does OMWeather demand i reboot my n900? | 09:32 |
| villemv | ah, msx! :-) | 09:32 |
| RST38h | (the menu shown is really the last-resort menu, present even on platforms where nothing else is available) | 09:32 |
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| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: it embeds the forecast in your kernel | 09:32 |
| goodwill | luke-jr: but like I said the he dais the proprietary formats will be supported ... whatever that means | 09:32 |
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| goodwill | dais=said | 09:33 |
| villemv | Konami should abandonware their old roms | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: you moved your mouse. please reboot for the change to take effect | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | villemv: "abandonware" basically means "copyright infringement" | 09:33 |
| villemv | yeah :-( | 09:34 |
| jaem | luke-jr, well, it means "copyright infringement that the company doesn't care about", at least in theory | 09:34 |
| RST38h | So, should Konami infringe copyright on its own games? | 09:34 |
| jaem | which is marginally better | 09:34 |
| * RST38h cackles | 09:34 | |
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| ptl | "abandonware" means "copyright laws are flawed and keep these 'rights' for too long" | 09:34 |
| jaem | ptl, that too | 09:34 |
| RST38h | Not sure how the jump from toolkit support to copyright laws has been made... | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | copyright should only be granted when source code is included with binaries :D | 09:35 |
| ptl | Good thing I bought my Duke3D in 1996 (and later atomic edition) and kept the files | 09:35 |
| ptl | it's still one of the most fun games to play | 09:35 |
| ptl | I am playing it right from the beginning again on my N900 | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | ptl: you can still buy Commander Keen :p | 09:35 |
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| goodwill | ptl: you just wait till your DukeNukem Forever copyright expires :) | 09:36 |
| ptl | at that time I was on IRC talking with George Broussard and the guys from 3D Realsm | 09:36 |
| ptl | it was too bad they went bankrupt | 09:36 |
| ptl | and Duke Nukem Forever took... Forever | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | games actually prove the superiority of free software in many ways | 09:36 |
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| luke-jr | how many games' source code has been LOST entirely because it was kept proprietary? | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | I know of at least 2 popular games :P | 09:37 |
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| ptl | UFO: X-COM | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | ZZT | 09:37 |
| lucent | luke-jr: DNF | 09:37 |
| ptl | hey, that'd be nice to have on the N900 | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | Commander Keen | 09:37 |
| ptl | I had it on my old HTC Athena | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | ptl: ZZT? | 09:37 |
| ptl | I dunno ZZT | 09:37 |
| ptl | what's that? | 09:37 |
| * luke-jr blinks | 09:38 | |
| luke-jr | you don't know ZZT?! | 09:38 |
| ptl | what does it mean? | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | it's Epic Games's first game | 09:38 |
| ptl | no, I don't know it.. :( | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | or first hit game, I forget which | 09:38 |
| goodwill | Commander Keep rocked | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZZT | 09:39 |
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| luke-jr | released in 1991 and still has a player base | 09:39 |
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| adeus | Keen works ok with the N900 | 09:39 |
| adeus | on dosbox | 09:39 |
| ptl | I am looking at it | 09:39 |
| ptl | yes | 09:39 |
| ptl | seems nice | 09:39 |
| villemv | how about ultima's+ | 09:40 |
| ptl | looks kinda like nethack/rogue | 09:40 |
| adeus | have to remap a bit to get alt though | 09:40 |
| * RST38h moos at wazd | 09:40 | |
| ptl | ultima 7 | 09:40 |
| ptl | and ultima underworld | 09:40 |
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| ptl | for N900... it'd be nice | 09:40 |
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| ptl | just kidding | 09:40 |
| ptl | HEY! no droids here :P | 09:40 |
| villemv | u7 might be okay w/ stylus | 09:40 |
| adeus | port exult? | 09:40 |
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| RST38h | In the changelog file, what does +hh:mm mean? | 09:41 |
| villemv | lord british could really cash in w/ ovi store | 09:41 |
| RST38h | it it difference from gmt? | 09:41 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: imo yes | 09:41 |
| RST38h | A'ok | 09:41 |
| RST38h | +3:00 then | 09:41 |
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| villemv | dch should autofill the proper timezone, right? | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | please keep in mind you won't use a stylus on next device with c-ts :-( | 09:43 |
| * RST38h will sharpen a finger | 09:43 | |
| ptl | wow, 50 Mbytes of usage and I have my n900 work a week and a half only | 09:43 |
| villemv | well, we'll have the sausages anyway | 09:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer hopes Nokia will rethink this decission | 09:43 | |
| ptl | my data plan is only about 200 MiB/month | 09:43 |
| ptl | I'll have to upgrade | 09:43 |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer: me too | 09:44 |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer: maybe we'll have different devices. | 09:44 |
| ptl | I know multitouch is nice and such. But I really like being able to use a stylus. | 09:44 |
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| ptl | For me it's common to have greasy or sweaty fingers | 09:44 |
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| ptl | in Brazil it's very warm... And I find my hands sweating a lot. I don't like to use my fingers everytime. | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | waiting for the notorious "but there's stylii for c-ts" comment | 09:45 |
| ptl | sausages don't count | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 09:46 |
| ptl | HTC has patented them | 09:46 |
| ptl | the stylii for the capacitive screens | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems nobody has patented mt for r-ts yet, though | 09:47 |
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| ptl | maybe that's because it's not entirely viable | 09:47 |
| ptl | http://aiw1.uspto.gov/.aiw?Docid=20090167727&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft1.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-bool.html%2526r%3D10%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526co1%3DAND%2526d%3DPG01%2526s1%3Dhtc.AS.%2526OS%3DAN%2Fhtc%2526RS%3DAN%2Fhtc&PageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=EC524E79E011 --> htc patent | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: it is | 09:47 |
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| Proteous | tinyurl.com is your friend | 09:48 |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer: I don't know the technology enough, if you say... | 09:48 |
| ptl | Proteous: sorry, should have though of that | 09:49 |
| Proteous | use a hotdog like everyone else | 09:49 |
| jaem | ptl, another stupid patent :/ Also, this is one heck of an ugly URL :P | 09:49 |
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| jaem | I'm an idiot | 09:49 |
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| Proteous | http://tinyurl.com/yjtkdfk | 09:49 |
| ptl | http://bit.ly/11JtiT | 09:50 |
| jaem | I've been fighting with someone else's code on and off for days, and it turned out to be a really simple build issue that took me about 30s to fix | 09:50 |
| Proteous | doh | 09:50 |
| Proteous | hate that | 09:50 |
| Proteous | worse when it's your code though | 09:50 |
| jaem | Proteous, yeah, he was changing the architecture of a library we were using (the one I linked to earlier), and I thought that was the issue | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: google for so-called 4-wire r-ts, compared to the usual 2-wire | 09:50 |
| jaem | and since I didn't fully understand the code that I was building against it (I didn't write it, and hadn't read most of it), I just assumed | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: you can drive a 2wire r-ts 4wire as well | 09:51 |
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| Proteous | ah | 09:51 |
| jaem | it turns out that he just changed the name of a few identifiers, and I somehow missed that :/ | 09:51 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, 2-wire r-ts? How does that work? | 09:51 |
| jaem | don't you need four to sense in two dimensions? | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: 2 wires / plane/axis | 09:52 |
| jaem | ah, okay | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: 4wire is to have driver outputs separated from A/D-inputs. So when you place a R in between there you can sense the reduction of plane resistance caused by 2-touch | 09:53 |
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| jaem | that sounds reasonable, but I'd have to see a schematic for it to make sense at this time of night | 09:55 |
| jaem | thanks | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: I might be able to find a pointer for you | 09:55 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, I'd appreciate it | 09:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jaem: ...as I'm not the only person on this planet who invented this | 09:55 |
| jaem | hehe | 09:56 |
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| ptl | ok | 10:00 |
| ptl | let's say multitouch is introduced to maemo/meego | 10:00 |
| ptl | how would one change the apps to react to this? | 10:00 |
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| RST38h | "...by the time Prohibition ended in 1933, the federal poisoning program, by some estimates, had killed at least 10,000 people." | 10:02 |
| ptl | ??? | 10:02 |
| timeless_mbp | ptl: that would depend on how it's introduced | 10:02 |
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| RST38h | Is it safe to apt-get upgrade sb2? | 10:04 |
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| ptl | timeless_mbp: I mean, you do something in gtk+ or qt. How can you know if two buttons are pressed at the same time in your app or something? Wouldn't it break your design? | 10:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | ptl: hypothetically Qt may have multi touch apis | 10:05 |
| timeless_mbp | which allow you to recognize e.g. a gesture | 10:06 |
| timeless_mbp | or perhaps multiple distinct event sources | 10:06 |
| RST38h | ptl: ButtonDown/ButtonUp messages for all UI elements will solve this | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a new thing for x11 to deal w/ this stuff | 10:07 |
| RST38h | ptl: Same as they solve this problem for keyboards | 10:07 |
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| ptl | hmm | 10:07 |
| villemv | http://www.slashgear.com/qt-4-6-with-multitouch-released-plus-second-maemo-5-tech-preview-video-0164775/ | 10:07 |
| ptl | will solve or it is solved already? | 10:07 |
| ptl | will check | 10:08 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 10:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | running firefox+microb+camera = bad idea | 10:08 |
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| RST38h | ptl: Check if Qt has separate events for button-click, button-up, and button-down | 10:08 |
| RST38h | ptl: exact names may differ of course | 10:09 |
| villemv | http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.6/gestures-overview.html | 10:09 |
| villemv | grabGesture(Qt::PinchGesture); | 10:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | villemv: the ImageWidget::gestureEvent example code seems bogus | 10:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | if (foo) | 10:10 |
| timeless_mbp | do_foo(); | 10:10 |
| timeless_mbp | else if (bar) | 10:10 |
| timeless_mbp | do_bar(); | 10:10 |
| timeless_mbp | if (baz) | 10:10 |
| timeless_mbp | do_baz(); | 10:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | so it will do_foo and do_baz or do_bar and do_baz | 10:10 |
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| villemv | you are looking at http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.6/gestures-imagegestures.html ? | 10:11 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 10:11 |
| timeless_mbp | just the link you pasted before | 10:11 |
| timeless_mbp | although the same code exists in the new link | 10:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | c+p bugs | 10:12 |
| timeless_mbp | yum | 10:12 |
| villemv | complain on #qt :-) | 10:12 |
| timeless_mbp | eWhyShouldI | 10:13 |
| timeless_mbp | they shouldn't write buggy documentation :) | 10:13 |
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| RST38h | Oh shit NOT AGAIN | 10:16 |
| RST38h | Permission denied (publickey). | 10:16 |
| RST38h | lost connection | 10:16 |
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| RST38h | Will this shit ever stop? Is X-Fade around? | 10:17 |
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| RST38h | Ah cool Nokia finally broke and announced MeeGo support for N900s | 10:21 |
| RST38h | Which kinda makes sense, once you consider what every developer has... | 10:22 |
| Ken-Young | RST38h, Were'd you see that? | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: look at source | 10:22 |
| Ken-Young | s/were/where/ | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | obvious hoax | 10:22 |
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| RST38h | Ah no, another bullshitter | 10:22 |
| RST38h | Not that it stops making sens of course. | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | the marketing dept should employ the guy for talking same language as them though | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, argument is good, source not | 10:23 |
| ptl | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnuRbzp784A --> LOLROFLMAO | 10:23 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Well, given that most of the development will probably happen on N900s anyway (in-house I mean) and that they want to seed early, I do not see why not | 10:23 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: With N8x0/N900 shift, it was the hardware. There is no hardware incompatibility now. | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | the one with 'flashing voids warranty' is more disturbing though | 10:24 |
| RST38h | Where? | 10:24 |
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| villemv | do you have a link? (for the bullshitter) | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | tmo | 10:24 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Could you please find someone responsibel for extras-devel and properly crucify him? | 10:25 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Not accepting packages to autobuilder again | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: jeremiah, x-fade and we should all use OBS | 10:26 |
| ptl | what's the hierarchy of stability again? ovi store << maemo repository << extras-devel << extras-testing ? is that it? | 10:26 |
| lucent | ptl: this does not mention maemo? I don't understand | 10:26 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: What OBS? I am honestly trying to submit a few packages to the autobuilder, for inclusion into Extras | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | villemv: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45402 | 10:27 |
| RST38h | You mean, none of is is supported any longer? | 10:27 |
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| villemv | yeah, I'm on there. quite obvious bs | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yes, of course, i am just stating a personal opinion | 10:27 |
| ptl | lucent: the youtube video? it's just something funny about mobiles I found by the same guy who performed endurance tests of all kinds on the N900. | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: complain on mailing list | 10:27 |
| RST38h | <sigh> | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: its obviously a problem | 10:27 |
| lucent | ptl: "For Science!" that one? I found it very useful | 10:28 |
| * RST38h would like to understand what the current problem is | 10:28 | |
| RST38h | Is it simply a temporary outage, or has autobuilder support been dropped now? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | not dropped | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | temp | 10:28 |
| RST38h | hmm | 10:28 |
| RST38h | then not worth complaining | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | how are they expected to fix if you dont notify? | 10:29 |
| aphrek | Has anyone stated what the roadmap is for maemo/meego and how it fits in with the n900. I was 2 mins away from ordering an n900 but heard about this change | 10:30 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Already msged X-fade, no response though | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | aphrek: lemme find a post i wrote | 10:30 |
| ptl | lucent: I don't know, he submitted the N900 to several tests: water, scratching, falling and a couple others | 10:30 |
| ptl | lucent: on test for each youtube video | 10:31 |
| lucent | aphrek: what do you want from a phone? I own a N900 and am a casual user of phones, pretty hardcore sysadmin sort of guy | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: sorry, the ebook.pdf seems to have vanished fom public net. So no pointer for now. Ping me now+12h if you like to talk details about mt on r-ts | 10:31 |
| timeless_mbp | aphrek: the n900 will still work a year from now | 10:31 |
| timeless_mbp | come rain or shine | 10:31 |
| aphrek | Stskeeps: Thanks | 10:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | unless you try to kill it | 10:31 |
| aziwoqpd | unless your usb port falls off | 10:31 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, okay, I will if I'm around | 10:31 |
| ptl | I bought the N900 and found it the bestest phone ever. | 10:31 |
| jaem | thanks! | 10:31 |
| timeless_mbp | aziwoqpd: oh, it'll still work then | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | aphrek: i would still buy a n900, excellent device. but for the rest, read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 | 10:31 |
| timeless_mbp | it'll just be harder to chage :) | 10:31 |
| timeless_mbp | s/chage/charge/ | 10:31 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: it'll just be harder to charge :) | 10:31 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, or unless the rain rains on your N900 too hard | 10:31 |
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| aphrek | Thanks for that | 10:32 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem: i've only had snow kill one 770 | 10:32 |
| lucent | aphrek: how much are you planning to pay for N900? | 10:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and i resurrected that :) | 10:32 |
| aphrek | Well, I'm in the uk and it'll be on contract - so it's free | 10:32 |
| jacekowski | aphrek: don't go for vodafone | 10:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | aphrek: beware | 10:32 |
| jaem | aphrek, it has some rough bits, but it is a sweet phone | 10:33 |
| lucent | beware of contract phone | 10:33 |
| aphrek | jacekowski: Really? | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | aphrek: yeah, 500M of internet | 10:33 |
| aphrek | Why is that? | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | the vodafone version means you initially will get updates later than everyone else | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | aphrek: and after that you pay a lot | 10:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | nokia doesn't like that and we'll try to force them not to dally/delay | 10:33 |
| aphrek | Oh yeah - that's not enough | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | but ... there's overhead | 10:33 |
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| lucent | as a reference, I paid $530 USD and that is before consideration of the $50 USD mail-in rebate offer | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | aphrek: t-mobile has worst support ever for instance | 10:33 |
| aphrek | Is it on any other provider? | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | aphrek: t-mobile | 10:34 |
| aphrek | What would you recommend ? | 10:34 |
| jacekowski | aphrek: you have to buy it in carphone warehouse | 10:34 |
| aphrek | Right | 10:34 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm on £25/mo with t-mobile | 10:34 |
| jacekowski | bought in carphone warehouse | 10:34 |
| aphrek | T mobile might be the best? | 10:34 |
| jacekowski | if you don't need roaming for first 3 months | 10:35 |
| jacekowski | or you are prepared to pay £250 deposit | 10:35 |
| aphrek | £25 is not bad | 10:35 |
| aphrek | Nope - don't need roaming | 10:35 |
| aphrek | Was the phone free? | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | aphrek: personally, i run up a fairly large data bill | 10:35 |
| jacekowski | ( and if they say deposit is only 150 that's a lie - that's 150 for international phone calls and 100 for roaming - and you need both ) | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | so i'd want a plan that gave me lots of data (preferably uncapped) | 10:35 |
| aphrek | Same here | 10:35 |
| jacekowski | aphrek: £49 | 10:36 |
| lucent | anyhow if you do buy an N900, I *highly* recommend the full-body screen protector "InvisiShield" that costs $25 USD | 10:36 |
| jacekowski | for a phone | 10:36 |
| aphrek | Nice | 10:36 |
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| lucent | you'll want at least a slip case (Nokia CP-321) *and* high quality screen and case protector film | 10:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: *wow*, 286 thanks? | 10:37 |
| aphrek | any drawbacks on the n900 I should be aware of? | 10:37 |
| lucent | yeah | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | aphrek: it doesn't support java | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | (out of the box anyway) | 10:37 |
| sheepbat | lucent, do you mean the one made by zagg? | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: people were -very- confused | 10:37 |
| lucent | sheepbat: yep Zagg | 10:37 |
| aphrek | Oh really - that's a shame | 10:37 |
| `0660 | i've been perfectly happy without any protectors | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and it doesn't have great out of the box support for osx | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | however you can in theory get java support from jalimo | 10:37 |
| sheepbat | have you ever actually used one of those for an extended period of time? | 10:37 |
| mece | aphrek, it doesn't support som microsoft crap called "MfE as a provisional device" | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and there's a project to add osx sync support | 10:38 |
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| aphrek | But it does work with os x | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | sheepbat: it's been my primary phone since september | 10:38 |
| sheepbat | I meant the shield | 10:38 |
| lucent | sheepbat: was that directed at myself? oh | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | i've travelled to hrm, ~10 countries on 2 continents | 10:38 |
| aphrek | Does it compare well with the iPhone? | 10:38 |
| lucent | sheepbat: I have Zagg InvisiShield installed and used daily since the N900 came to USA market | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | aphrek: if you want an iPhone, buy an iPhone | 10:38 |
| mece | aphrek, it's the opposite of the iphone. | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | the iPhone gives you a shiny media player and a shiny app store | 10:39 |
| sheepbat | I used an invisishield on an ATT Tilt since.. <thinks> | 10:39 |
| aphrek | I have ab iPhone but I'd like something more hackable | 10:39 |
| sheepbat | june 2008 | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | you will not find either of those here | 10:39 |
| Claviceps | NEED PEOPLE FOR A (WHITEHAT) SEO DEVELOPMENT TEAM!! WWW.BINGSEOFORUM.COM + WWW.BARELYLEGAL.COM | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | aphrek: it is a different breed. think of it as a computer that happens to have a phone part | 10:39 |
| sheepbat | and it's not something I'd recommend personally | 10:39 |
| lucent | sheepbat: it's difficult as sin to install on the phone, but once on there it stays on and works amazingly | 10:39 |
| aphrek | I see | 10:39 |
| Claviceps | #xbox720 on EFNET | 10:39 |
| jacekowski | aphrek: doesn't send/recieve mms messages | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | a phone w/ a good sip stack! | 10:39 |
| aphrek | Sound more my cup of tea | 10:39 |
| Claviceps | #xbox720 on EFNET | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | jacekowski: not out of box | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | oh yeah, out of the box it doesn't do mms | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a project for that | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | jacekowski: but with frals stuff, it does | 10:39 |
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| lucent | sheepbat: oh, too bad. What don't you like about it? | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | which i think at this point works nicely, although i haven't tired | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | s/tired/tried/ | 10:40 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: which i think at this point works nicely, although i haven't tried | 10:40 |
| * timeless_mbp is tired? | 10:40 | |
| sheepbat | it actually kept peeling off | 10:40 |
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| aphrek | Ok thanks all- if I can get a decent contrAct I think I'll go for it | 10:40 |
| sheepbat | and I actually did manage to scratch the screen protector | 10:40 |
| * lucent ORLY | 10:40 | |
| jacekowski | aphrek: well, the best contract at the moment is that £25 from t-mobile | 10:40 |
| sheepbat | granted, I was being a little stupid with it | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick claviceps | 10:40 |
| sheepbat | but.. it should be able to take that | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | aphrek: anyway, wrt contracts and ownership, price out the free deal and figure out if it's really worth it | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | if it isn't, get another deal | 10:40 |
| jacekowski | aphrek: but you could try speaking to o2 | 10:40 |
| lucent | sheepbat: have you applied for a free warrantied replacement? | 10:41 |
| jacekowski | aphrek: and they might offer you decent contract | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | also, be warned, nokia's phones seem to be under warranty in a single country | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | not globally | 10:41 |
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| aphrek | jacekowski: Will o2 do the n900? | 10:41 |
| sheepbat | I actually didn't bother | 10:41 |
| jacekowski | aphrek: they do | 10:41 |
| sheepbat | I figured i'd get the exact same material | 10:41 |
| sheepbat | and besides that.. | 10:41 |
| sheepbat | I don't like the texture | 10:41 |
| aphrek | Oh cool - that would be easier | 10:41 |
| jacekowski | aphrek: however they contracts are not as good as others | 10:41 |
| sheepbat | it'd be okay for the body | 10:41 |
| aphrek | Right | 10:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | so while it might be a good deal to buy in the usa, if you expect to need the warranty (and you might), you'll be unhappy unless you have friends crossing the pond regularly | 10:42 |
| sheepbat | but it is *way* too sticky for the screen | 10:42 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: here in UK you can get mobile phone insurance with your bank accoutn | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | aphrek: spend time researching, watch demos on youtube, etc - i love my n900 and i hope you will too | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: yum | 10:42 |
| lucent | sheepbat: I thought that too on the N900, it seemed kind of gooey for the screen. Easy to get used to though | 10:42 |
| sheepbat | considering all the swiping I'd need to do for gestures, I want something smooth | 10:42 |
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| sheepbat | plus, I want a matte screen | 10:43 |
| aphrek | Great - thanks all | 10:43 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: so if something happens to your phone - just throw it into a river | 10:43 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: make a claim and pay £30 excess | 10:43 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: and get your phone back | 10:43 |
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| sheepbat | I went for one of these instead: http://www.clarivue.com/nokia-n900-screen-protector.html | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | someone was complaining about insurance being overused | 10:43 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders where | 10:43 | |
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| sheepbat | it was a minor pain in the neck to apply, and there is a small amount of dust under the protector | 10:44 |
| lucent | aphrek: yep. So hey the drawbacks are.... IR is send only (driver issue? unconfirmed), USB is device only (no HOST mode), GPS chipset is a little flimsy (not very accurate in terrain) | 10:44 |
| sheepbat | but I'm far more happy with this | 10:44 |
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| lucent | swing-and-a-miss. | 10:44 |
| lucent | sheepbat: I dislike dust under screen protector | 10:44 |
| lucent | that's so dang annoying | 10:44 |
| sheepbat | yeah | 10:44 |
| timeless_mbp | lucent: afaiu the IR is only designed for use as a remote control, not for irda | 10:44 |
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| sheepbat | I have a technique for removing it | 10:44 |
| lucent | try to clean the surfaces but it only deposits a static charge | 10:44 |
| alterego | I dislike dust _on_ anything :P | 10:45 |
| sheepbat | but it's not perfect | 10:45 |
| timeless_mbp | although the information i get is generally bad | 10:45 |
| lucent | timeless_mbp: is there confirmation of this fact though? | 10:45 |
| sheepbat | I can use tape applied to the underside to try to remove it | 10:45 |
| timeless_mbp | lucent: nope :) | 10:45 |
| sheepbat | with work, I can get it out | 10:45 |
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| sheepbat | so even if you get it *really* wrong the first time, you can keep trying until it's perfect | 10:45 |
| ptl | Stskeeps: good post but I'd really like to hear something from Nokia. They're just too quiet about this whole matter | 10:46 |
| alterego | Is there any information on Qt Creator, MADDE & N900 environment setting up at all? | 10:46 |
| lucent | sheepbat: the liquid+squegee technique from Zagg InvisiShield should have left no dust but I had bubbles | 10:46 |
| lucent | got the bubbles out only to find dust again | 10:46 |
| sheepbat | plus, that particular order comes with two protectors | 10:46 |
| sheepbat | blah | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | lucent: N900 gps is apparently more accurate than tomtom satnav gps chip | 10:46 |
| sheepbat | I actually got it nearly perfect on my tilt | 10:46 |
| lucent | jacekowski: ha | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | lucent: and that's the best sat nav i've ever seen | 10:46 |
| lucent | we didn't tell that person about the kickstand defficiency! | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | lucent: it's just tomtom software that does the magic | 10:46 |
| sheepbat | one or two small bubbles on the back, and none on the screen | 10:47 |
| lucent | shame on us all. :P | 10:47 |
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| sheepbat | I wonder if you could apply the clarivue protector on top of the zagg protector... | 10:47 |
| mece | lucent, what's the kickstande deficiency? Just that it's not very good? | 10:47 |
| lucent | mece: that's it, yes | 10:47 |
| sheepbat | it's off to the side | 10:47 |
| sheepbat | yes | 10:47 |
| Claviceps | WWW.WINDOWS.COM | 10:47 |
| lucent | with keyboard out, the kickstand'ed N900 falls over | 10:48 |
| Claviceps | dude I got an HP | 10:48 |
| mece | lucent, well, it's still better than any other phone's kickstand ;) | 10:48 |
| Claviceps | dude I got a HewellPackard | 10:48 |
| mece | lucent, mine doesn't | 10:48 |
| Claviceps | www.bing.com | 10:48 |
| Claviceps | www.bing.com | 10:48 |
| sheepbat | mine is right on the edge | 10:48 |
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| lucent | mece: I saw mention on t.m.o forums that there was a simple design produced by an enthusiast and for sale, laser cutout stands | 10:48 |
| lucent | I want just the design | 10:48 |
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| lucent | will make it from my own materials | 10:48 |
| Claviceps | www.bing.com | 10:48 |
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| pupnik | crashanddie: | 10:49 |
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| mece | pupnik, Are yuo talking to me? | 10:49 |
| mece | :P | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | yes? | 10:49 |
| mece | hahah | 10:49 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o crashanddie | 10:49 | |
| pupnik | sorry problem solved | 10:49 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o crashanddie | 10:49 | |
| crashanddie | I nearly kicked you for waking me | 10:50 |
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| pupnik | lol | 10:50 |
| * alterego wonders if MeeGo will include the lates OMAP GLES drivers as FOSS. | 10:50 | |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 10:51 |
| alterego | Ello X-Fade | 10:51 |
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| alterego | I suppose with the Qt stack they're raving about, it'd be hard for them not to include H/W acceleration? ... | 10:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: not EHLO? | 10:52 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: :) | 10:53 |
| alterego | New MeeGo mail protocol :P | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: but this is Maemo | 10:53 |
| * timeless_mbp points to the sign | 10:53 | |
| alterego | MaeMeeGo | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: fat chance | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:53 |
| * timeless_mbp points to the next door | 10:53 | |
| alterego | :) | 10:53 |
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| alterego | Anyone got MADDE remote with QEmu working? | 10:57 |
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| * timeless_mbp kicks something from maemo | 11:00 | |
| timeless_mbp | telling me you can't connect to one or more accounts when there's no network... | 11:00 |
| ptl | anyone got a good twitter/identi.ca client for the n900? | 11:00 |
| timeless_mbp | ... classy | 11:00 |
| alterego | I suppose I'll have to do development using device remoting then :/ | 11:00 |
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| ptl | classy? couldn't find it on the application manager. | 11:03 |
| timeless_mbp | ptl: sorry, that was for my problem | 11:03 |
| timeless_mbp | telepathy / presence is being stupid | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't do twitter et al | 11:04 |
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| tybollt | la | 11:04 |
| ptl | ok | 11:04 |
| ptl | not a very important requirement, since the browser behaves so well in N900. But it'd be nice to have a twitter app anyways. | 11:04 |
| tigert | ptl: there is mauku | 11:05 |
| tigert | doesnt it do twitter? | 11:05 |
| ptl | mauku? I don't know, I couldn't find such a name when I searched for 'twitter' on the application manager | 11:05 |
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| ptl | let me try and find it | 11:05 |
| tigert | it does | 11:05 |
| tigert | http://mauku.henrikhedberg.com/ | 11:05 |
| tigert | its in extras | 11:06 |
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| ptl | thanks!! I'll try it. | 11:06 |
| tigert | its pretty neat app | 11:06 |
| mavhc | I use it on maemo4, it's quite good | 11:06 |
| tigert | though I dont really use it muself | 11:06 |
| tigert | s/us/ys/ | 11:06 |
| infobot | tigert meant: though I dont really yse it muself | 11:06 |
| tigert | aaargh :D | 11:06 |
| ptl | weird | 11:06 |
| mavhc | gesture based ui triggers a bit too often | 11:06 |
| ptl | I have extras, extras-devel and extras-testing active | 11:06 |
| ptl | but they do no show mauku | 11:07 |
| frals | mauku is pretty lacking feature wise | 11:07 |
| frals | or well, really lacking | 11:07 |
| frals | try witter instead | 11:07 |
| Myrtti | there's witter | 11:07 |
| Myrtti | (slow fail) | 11:07 |
| tigert | frals: isnt twitter more or less just a textfield you can splurt your random thought of the moment? :) | 11:07 |
| RST38h | Maybe you should all start by asking yourself a more general question: What the hell do you need microblogging for? | 11:07 |
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| inz | tigert, isn't it annyoing when computers do exactly what you tell them to do | 11:07 |
| ptl | yeah | 11:08 |
| ptl | found mauku when looking at 'all' applications, alphabetically | 11:08 |
| ptl | weird. Jus tweird | 11:08 |
| tigert | inz: yeah ;( | 11:08 |
| tigert | :) even | 11:08 |
| ptl | RST38h: microblogging is useful, it's like a public instant messaging | 11:08 |
| Khertan | Hello Everyone ! | 11:09 |
| tigert | hey Khertan | 11:09 |
| inz | ptl, then you can imagine that someone cares! | 11:09 |
| frals | tigert: yeah but in mauku you can pretty much only see what people you are following wrote, cant search or anything ;) | 11:09 |
| tigert | frals: yeah | 11:09 |
| RST38h | ptl: And what is there that you would so like to instantly report to the public | 11:09 |
| tigert | frals: I guess it works if you just look at it every 2 minutes :) | 11:09 |
| tigert | twitter is boring anyway | 11:10 |
| Khertan | i need an audio expert ... when i leave pygame while playing music with maemo 5 player ... pygame.mixer.quit() is freezing ... and seems waiting something ... any idea ? | 11:10 |
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| tigert | its fun every 2 months for me | 11:10 |
| frals | yeah guess so :) | 11:10 |
| tigert | then I forget about it | 11:10 |
| mavhc | twitter is interactive rss | 11:10 |
| RST38h | Well, most people are boring, their opinions are mostly cliches, and no, I am not interested to see the color of their excrement | 11:10 |
| tigert | jaiku was nicer | 11:10 |
| tigert | qaiku is now something similar | 11:10 |
| * mgedmin misread RST38h's sentence as ending in "excitement" | 11:11 | |
| RST38h | So, the whole microblogging stuff looks somewhat pointless | 11:11 |
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| mavhc | RST38h: then don't follow them | 11:11 |
| tybollt | frals: ugh working from home today? I'm pretty much snowed in and the public transportation has caved in | 11:11 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Like any of my sentences EVER end with "excitement"... | 11:11 |
| tigert | but google buzz is what became of jaiku, and it looks like Google Wave had some love with jaiku and out came buzz | 11:11 |
| frals | work? im in uni... but yeah, no way im trying to go anywhere today ;) | 11:11 |
| RST38h | mavhc: I am not. Just commenting on the weird attraction people have to twitter et al | 11:11 |
| mavhc | buzz got my parents into social networking | 11:11 |
| mavhc | RST38h: "oh no, if you follow boring people then you read boring stuff", great argument | 11:12 |
| ptl | inz, RST38h: just look at IRC. IRC is also about public instant messaging. Twitter is very much alike. No one has to care about what you write on a channel, but some people do.l | 11:13 |
| pupnik | RST38h: being an old fart means that all the "new" stuff people get excited over is seen to be a lame rehash. like most popular music | 11:13 |
| RST38h | ptl: IRC is different. You communicate here. | 11:13 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Indeed. | 11:14 |
| mavhc | pitty twitter doesn't have @replies or something | 11:14 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Although every now and then you can find a gem or two. Found one yesterday. | 11:14 |
| pupnik | music? | 11:14 |
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| ptl | RST38h: you also communicate in twitter! People reply to your tweets and such. And even if you don't, many people benefit from the announcements of some read-only tweets | 11:14 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:15 |
| mavhc | everything before you were 5 is standard, 5-15 cool, 15-25 ok, 25-35 slightly odd, 35-death that stupid stuff all the kids are doing | 11:15 |
| RST38h | ptl: But Twitter is not really made for that. It is made for posting stupid update messages like "Took a shit!". In a way, it is a glorified IRC /away message | 11:16 |
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| mavhc | who cares what it's made for, it's what its used for | 11:16 |
| mavhc | the web is not really made for that, it's for discussing scientific ideas. the internet is not really made for that, it's for the military | 11:17 |
| nid0 | you misspelt porn | 11:17 |
| ptl | RST38h: it is made for whatever you want to use it | 11:17 |
| mavhc | people do that a lot in your world | 11:17 |
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| ptl | RST38h: there are many useful ways to use it... don't try and limit its scope | 11:18 |
| Corsac | rule 34 still applies | 11:18 |
| frals | only problem i have with twitter is people using hashtags as a damn irc channel instead of just using irc... :P | 11:18 |
| RST38h | ptl: It is already limited by the fact that it is a dumb web page where you post little messages | 11:18 |
| ptl | RST38h: anyway, just notice that there are some people who DO useit for useful stuff - useful in the sense that they get something out of it. | 11:18 |
| RST38h | ptl: Maybe they do, no idea | 11:18 |
| mavhc | yet you're an expert on why it sucks | 11:19 |
| RST38h | I have not seen anything useful on twitter except for Stskeeps' Mer builder status maybe | 11:19 |
| ptl | tigert: mauku is GREAT!!! Thanks for the advice! | 11:19 |
| nid0 | it can be vaguely useful to follow shared feeds at events/conferences | 11:19 |
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| ptl | RST38h: I like to express opinions on a number of things and my friends like reading my opinions - and vice versa. Why do you get angry when we use it like that? Do you really need to make us feel down because we like it? | 11:20 |
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| ptl | you're right if you say too many people waste their time with it | 11:21 |
| ptl | I myself had to stop using twitter and identi.ca because I was too pressed by my work and my graduate course. | 11:22 |
| ptl | but now that I graduated, I will start using it again | 11:22 |
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| jaem | ptl, RST38h, Twitter is like most Social Networking webapps - they have uses, but are usually horribly abused for inanity by the majority of people | 11:23 |
| ptl | even though I just noticed buzz seems to do the same stuff but it is not as limited. | 11:23 |
| jaem | hence, plenty of people just look down on users of them in general | 11:23 |
| jaem | even if that's not justified | 11:23 |
| ptl | jaem: lol, good way to put it | 11:23 |
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| ptl | anyway, mauku is great, too bad I can't decrease the font size | 11:23 |
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| ptl | and it supports twitter and identi.ca! | 11:24 |
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| tigert | ptl: cool | 11:29 |
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| tigert | you can probably hack some theme files to tweak the fonts | 11:29 |
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| ptl | I'll check | 11:30 |
| ptl | is mauku free software? | 11:30 |
| ptl | can't find its license | 11:30 |
| jaem | ptl, AFAIK | 11:30 |
| frals | no its not | 11:30 |
| jaem | oh? | 11:30 |
| jaem | darn | 11:30 |
| jaem | frals, what is it, then? | 11:31 |
| jaem | some custom proprietary license? | 11:31 |
| frals | dunno, its closed at least, after that i didnt bother looking in to it anymore | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | along those lines | 11:31 |
| wazd | heya all | 11:31 |
| jaem | hi wazd | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 11:31 |
| jaem | frals, do you know who the author of Mauku is? | 11:32 |
| frals | http://maemo.org/packages/view/mauku/ | 11:32 |
| jaem | frals, >_< sorry | 11:33 |
| frals | np ;) | 11:33 |
| ptl | it's on extras-devel fremantle free | 11:33 |
| jaem | my thinker isn't thinking properly right now | 11:33 |
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| jaem | my brain uses schedule-based throttling | 11:33 |
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| Myrtti | it's apache licenced atleast according to garage | 11:33 |
| jaem | right now it's only at 605MegaThinks/second | 11:33 |
| frals | oh, used to be non-free im almost certain :p | 11:34 |
| jaem | and yes, I had to pull out a calculator to divide 1.21G by 2 >_< | 11:34 |
| * jaem is tired | 11:34 | |
| frals | because i saw some discussion about it on -dev ML | 11:34 |
| adeus | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7505 | 11:34 |
| povbot | Bug 7505: Claims to be free, but ships no license and says 'You are NOT allowed to modify or redistribute the source code.' | 11:34 |
| ptl | Mauku 2.0 | 11:35 |
| ptl | Copyright (C) 2009 Henrik Hedberg <henrik.hedberg@innologies.fi> | 11:35 |
| ptl | Mauku 2.0 is NOT open source software. You are NOT allowed to | 11:35 |
| ptl | modify or redistribute the source code. | 11:35 |
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| inz | jaem, why didn't you just shift right ;) | 11:35 |
| Myrtti | that's for mauku2 forr fremantle then | 11:35 |
| ptl | /usr/share/doc/mauku/copyright | 11:35 |
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| jaem | inz, nggaaaaaaghhhh *brainsplort* | 11:35 |
| jaem | sorry, I've been coding for too long without food | 11:35 |
| inz | All code and no food makes jaem a dull boy? | 11:36 |
| RST38h | Your application XChat Extra Locales 2.8.6-maemo14 didn't meet the QA criteria for promotion in Fremantle Extras-testing free armel. | 11:36 |
| RST38h | Eh? | 11:36 |
| jaem | inz, yes, although sharper than I've been the rest of the week, surprisingly | 11:36 |
| Corsac | RST38h: no karma for you! | 11:36 |
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| jaem | of course, there was the time a couple of weeks ago where I coded straight for 8 hours to get an assignment done... and then blanked on my password for the submission server with two minutes to go | 11:37 |
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| jaem | ...I remembered it within ten minutes of getting up the next morning, but that wasn't good enough | 11:37 |
| jaem | :( | 11:37 |
| RST38h | Corsac: Oh, it is not an "app" tha I would care to promote anyway | 11:37 |
| RST38h | But demoting it is certainly not right | 11:37 |
| jaem | luckily, the prof took pity and docked me 20% instead of 100% | 11:37 |
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| Alfafa | Hi. Anyone using an N900 for SIP ? I have a little problem that I don't get Call Progress Tones when calling. I am using it with Asterisk | 11:39 |
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| ptl | How do I know where application manager will insert some app after installing it? The positioning on the application menu is anything but intuitive. | 11:40 |
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| jaem | ptl, which menu are you using? | 11:42 |
| jaem | the stock one? | 11:42 |
| ptl | yes | 11:42 |
| jaem | ah, there's your problem | 11:42 |
| jaem | it's lame | 11:42 |
| jaem | install Catorise | 11:42 |
| ptl | it's not alphabetical | 11:42 |
| jaem | or another menu | 11:42 |
| ptl | catorise does not allow for me to make my own categories, isn't it? | 11:42 |
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| jaem | I'd recommend Catorise, but there is another one that allows you to manually organize it | 11:42 |
| jaem | no | 11:42 |
| ptl | which one can I use besides Catorise? | 11:42 |
| Khertan | grrrrrrrrr i have a stupid problem with my game .... when i leave pygame while playing music with maemo 5 player ... pygame.mixer.quit() is freezing ... and seems waiting something ... any idea ? | 11:42 |
| ptl | what is the name of the another one? | 11:42 |
| jaem | I think the other one is called MyMenu, or some usch | 11:42 |
| jaem | something fairly obviously-named, but I'm not sure exactly what | 11:43 |
| ptl | Ok | 11:43 |
| jaem | I haven't tried it | 11:43 |
| ptl | I'll first test it under scratchbox | 11:43 |
| jaem | sure | 11:43 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Welcome to PA bug | 11:44 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Or maybe I should say The Infamous PA Bug | 11:44 |
| Khertan | PA Bug ? | 11:45 |
| RST38h | Bug #5524 enjoy | 11:45 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5524 PulseAudio clients are muted and hang on exit when media player is playing music | 11:45 |
| ptl | can't find mymenu | 11:45 |
| Khertan | oh ... thanks ... so it s not from my poor code : | 11:45 |
| Khertan | :) | 11:45 |
| Khertan | thx for pointing it me | 11:45 |
| jaem | ptl, it might be in -testing - I've never used it, but I heard about it on t.m.o. | 11:46 |
| jaem | usual caveats apply :) | 11:46 |
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| ptl | will check a bit more | 11:47 |
| ptl | I have testing activated... | 11:47 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:47 |
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| jaem | ptl, maybe search t.m.o. firts | 11:48 |
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| ptl | just read a discussion about MyMenu vs. Catorise | 11:51 |
| ptl | MyMenu seems to wreak havoc on some users' phones | 11:51 |
| Khertan | RST38h: clearly it s a won't fix .... grrrr | 11:51 |
| ptl | I'll try catorise then | 11:51 |
| Khertan | fucking policy ! | 11:51 |
| sar3th | ptl: so far, catorise is running fine for me! =) | 11:53 |
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| jaem | ptl, good to know | 11:54 |
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| mece | is it just me or is maxximuscool on tmo a bit annoying? | 11:54 |
| jaem | sar3th, for me also, although it's a bit glitchy if you activate it while a postinstall is updating it's structure in the background | 11:55 |
| RST38h | Khertan: It cannot be a wontfix, it is a bug | 11:55 |
| jaem | nothing major, but if you happen to do that, it could be a bit confusing for newbies | 11:55 |
| RST38h | Khertan: If this one is a wontfix then I do not know what isn't | 11:55 |
| ptl | Did you guys get camorama? that nifty app that does panoramic images | 11:55 |
| sar3th | jaem: yeah, then i get "no apps" iirc | 11:55 |
| jaem | mece, a bit, but I haven't seen anything too bad | 11:55 |
| sar3th | ptl: not yet :O in which repo is it? | 11:56 |
| jaem | sar3th, yeah, that could stand to be improved, although it doesn't impair operation - just usability | 11:56 |
| ptl | sar3th: ovi store | 11:56 |
| jaem | ptl, I've heard of it, I think - it's available for other platforms too, isn't it? | 11:56 |
| ptl | sar3th: it's very nice. I tried to buy it but it seems they are not selling it yet. The 'trial' version only does VGA panoramas which is more than enough for making backgrounds for your N900. | 11:56 |
| ptl | jaem: I dunno | 11:56 |
| ptl | it's not camorama | 11:58 |
| ptl | I confused names | 11:58 |
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| Jaffa | FWIW, today's MWKN is a "MeeGo special" - http://www.mwkn.net/ | 11:58 |
| hrw | morning | 11:58 |
| ptl | it's quickpanorama | 11:58 |
| ptl | sorry | 11:58 |
| RST38h | Mhm...drop.maemo.org requires signatures again | 11:58 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Why didn't you wait for any source code being released? :) | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: No. | 11:59 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Well it does from me | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Either sign with your key that is known, or don't sign. | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: But don't sign with an unkown key. | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: There's been some source code released | 11:59 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Oh I know what it is: the default repo I have for drop.* is non-free :) | 12:00 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: http://repo.meego.com/trunk/repo/ia32/os/ for example | 12:00 |
| hrw | RST38h: moblin sources are available | 12:00 |
| tybollt | RST38h: meh | 12:00 |
| RST38h | hrw: you bet :) | 12:00 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Aha, so it has started | 12:00 |
| hrw | RST38h: I think that wwe need to wait for harmattan release to get first nokia code drop | 12:01 |
| RST38h | hrw: More like first alpha sdk release | 12:01 |
| mece | jaem, well I didn't mean he was a douche. He seems to mean well, but damn he just says all the wrong things. | 12:01 |
| hrw | and pray that it will be complete set of deps | 12:01 |
| ptl | what will we have in the place of scratchbox? | 12:02 |
| ptl | how will we test/emulate the environment? | 12:02 |
| RST38h | ptl: OBS apparently | 12:02 |
| RST38h | Although I am still unclear on how OBS works locally: all the talk is mostly about remote building | 12:03 |
| jaem | mece, true. I've talked with him a bit. | 12:03 |
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| sar3th | has anyone managed to compile a more current version of qemu for and using scratchbox? | 12:03 |
| jaem | RST38h, my question exactly | 12:03 |
| ptl | RST38h: OBS has something like the N900 environment running on my ubuntu? | 12:03 |
| RST38h | ptl: I asked about Ubuntu, apparently yes, it is possible | 12:03 |
| RST38h | ptl: Not sure how easy though | 12:03 |
| jaem | ptl, any idea about Arch? | 12:04 |
| jaem | I like Ubuntu, overall, but ideally I don't want to have to run it *just* for building, on the machine that I build on | 12:04 |
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| jaem | and sbox on Arch, well, isn't really possible without a chroot | 12:04 |
| jaem | at least, as far I as I could tell without losing my sanity | 12:05 |
| ptl | jaem: I dunno, I don't have any answers for this. I mentioned Ubuntu because that's what they support with Maemo 5 and that's what I use. | 12:05 |
| jaem | ptl, yeah, I asked just in case | 12:05 |
| jaem | realistically, I may end up setting up distcc on my roommate's dual-Xeon desktop, rather than building directly on his server | 12:06 |
| jaem | ...it's rather faster :) | 12:06 |
| ptl | I can't say it was the best possible strategy to confine your programming environment into a single Linux distribution, but my linuxgeek side was very pleased with that | 12:06 |
| jaem | and in that case, Ubuntu is not more trouble | 12:06 |
| ptl | but if they want popularity I think they should make it work in e.g. mac OS X or Windows, or at least provide a downloadable VMWare/virtualbox image with the environment completely set up. | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | meego in a vm should be entirely possible | 12:07 |
| jaem | they do have a complete VM available already | 12:07 |
| lcuk | mornin maemo \o | 12:07 |
| jaem | they have for ages | 12:07 |
| jaem | lcuk, hi | 12:07 |
| tybollt | wasn't 1.2 due this week? | 12:07 |
| * jaem waves | 12:07 | |
| ptl | do they? | 12:07 |
| sar3th | yes | 12:07 |
| jaem | ptl, yeah, since at least Diablo | 12:07 |
| sar3th | but just a vmware image =( | 12:07 |
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| ptl | Didn't notice it when I was following the guide to install scratchbox and the SDK | 12:07 |
| ptl | must have missed it. | 12:08 |
| Khertan | RST38h: but clearly the fix they do, doesn't fix the problem | 12:08 |
| jaem | sar3th, well, you can convert the images, I believe, although it's probably a bit slow to do | 12:08 |
| jaem | ptl, just Google "Maemo VMWare" or some such | 12:08 |
| Khertan | RST38h: and there are happy with their fix | 12:08 |
| jaem | it should be easy to find | 12:08 |
| Khertan | RST38h: but yes i agree ... it s clearly a bug | 12:08 |
| jaem | lcuk, what's your take on the fake multitouch thread from yesterday? | 12:08 |
| jaem | it was you who did the video demo, wasn't it? | 12:08 |
| Khertan | jaem: but not easy to download .... as large file, poor server ... connection always reset in the middle of the downlaod | 12:09 |
| jaem | Khertan, hmm... I didn't have that issue here. I would have liked to mirror it somewhere faster for my research team, but... licensing :/ | 12:09 |
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| jaem | I have a fast server, but not enough data as-is to make it public even if mirroring was allowed | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Khertan: No, they have not understood the problem and have not TRIED to understand | 12:10 |
| Khertan | RST38h: focused on meego i suppose | 12:11 |
| jaem | ...and then our ISP in Residence borked some of the network config, and traffic to the university campus was painfully slow for months... I had to sneakernet the VM over there | 12:11 |
| Khertan | jaem: i ve try from work or home ... same result | 12:11 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Just unwilling to do the hard work, I guess :( | 12:11 |
| jaem | Khertan, where are you at? | 12:12 |
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| Khertan | jaem: France | 12:12 |
| lcuk | jaem, its integrated in liqbase already but its not as 100% full use as desired because of corner cases, great other people are investigating what i did last year | 12:12 |
| Khertan | but anyway i didn't need it ... | 12:12 |
| jaem | ah, I'm in Vancouver-ish, Canada, and it wasn't that bad here | 12:12 |
| jaem | although definitely not good | 12:12 |
| lcuk | link to it, i spotted it and was gonna comment but sleep was more important | 12:12 |
| Khertan | i made my own vm | 12:12 |
| Brendan[BP] | any assumptions on PR1.2 release? | 12:13 |
| MiXu- | ISP hassle reminded me... Google now has it's own DNS servers. I started using them and youtube now works great for me (which wasn't the case before). :) | 12:13 |
| jaem | lcuk, yeah, it's a neat idea. How practical is it in terms of usability for newbies, though? | 12:13 |
| jaem | I haven't actually tried | 12:13 |
| jaem | lcuk, are you asking me to link to it, or stating that you intend to? | 12:13 |
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| lcuk | no i need the link | 12:13 |
| jaem | oh, sure | 12:13 |
| jaem | give me a sec | 12:13 |
| lcuk | i spotted it in vaispy | 12:13 |
| lcuk | but slept since | 12:14 |
| jaem | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=540343 | 12:14 |
| jaem | what's vaispy? | 12:14 |
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| lcuk | jaem, live updating most recent comments across all boards and threads - nice to use http://talk.maemo.org/vaispy.php | 12:15 |
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| jaem | oh, nice | 12:15 |
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| Stskeeps | god, fsck on a encrypted hd takes ages | 12:16 |
| RST38h | moo, lcuk | 12:16 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Why encrypt hds? | 12:16 |
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| Stskeeps | cos i do have data that i don't want to have fallen in the wrong hands? | 12:17 |
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| RST38h | You can encrypt just that data | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | quite a big fs to compress :) | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, i need it cos it is professionally sane. | 12:19 |
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| * w00t_ encrypts Stskeeps | 12:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: why would it take longer than on a non-encrypted? | 12:20 |
| jaem | Stskeeps, http://xkcd.com/538/ | 12:20 |
| inz | ~rot13 Stskeeps | 12:20 |
| infobot | Fgfxrrcf | 12:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: most of the time is in seeks anyway | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: dunno, it does take a while atm | 12:20 |
| jaem | ~rot13 Fgfxrrcf | 12:20 |
| infobot | Stskeeps | 12:20 |
| Khertan | Under careful and long consideration we have decided to bring the MeeGo platform to the n900 device <<< huhu | 12:20 |
| jaem | :) | 12:20 |
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| jaem | Khertan, what's this? | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: troll | 12:21 |
| Khertan | it s seems | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: misinformation by someone | 12:21 |
| Khertan | yep i know ... | 12:21 |
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| inz | ~rot520 foo | 12:22 |
| infobot | foo | 12:22 |
| ptl | bar? | 12:22 |
| Khertan | but it make me laught that some people try to make rumors like this one | 12:22 |
| jaem | Khertan, for some value of laugh | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | trying to get a job at nokia marketing | 12:22 |
| Khertan | tmo is full of misinformation and stupid statement | 12:22 |
| jaem | yup | 12:22 |
| jaem | which is sad | 12:22 |
| RST38h | not sad, human | 12:23 |
| tybollt | Khertan: rumour - haeh? What rumour? | 12:23 |
| tybollt | oh I see it now | 12:23 |
| Khertan | but i still didn't understand what the moblin/maemo merge will be for us maemo lover | 12:23 |
| tybollt | khertan was there a thread to that? | 12:23 |
| RST38h | But I already suggested a merit-based or invitation-based forum before and nobody bit | 12:23 |
| tybollt | url? | 12:23 |
| Khertan | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=540670#post540670 | 12:24 |
| RST38h | Khertan: It is classified. :) | 12:24 |
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| Khertan | RST38h: classified as ... top secret ... or classified as already put in box in the closed and abandonned project room | 12:25 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:25 |
| RST38h | BOTH. | 12:25 |
| tybollt | Khertan: thanks | 12:25 |
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| Stskeeps | 9 thanks from 300 thanks on one post.. | 12:26 |
| RST38h | Kim Jong Il is building himself a space ship: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46579888@N02/4323389888/ | 12:28 |
| jaem | bwahaha | 12:28 |
| RST38h | Must be his escape vehicle | 12:29 |
| jaem | is FSB funding it? | 12:29 |
| jaem | :) | 12:29 |
| RST38h | No idea, but it is being built by Egyptians | 12:29 |
| RST38h | So, might as well be his tomb | 12:29 |
| jaem | I was going to say... | 12:29 |
| tybollt | Khertan: it may teach a fair few people to not just take everything they read on forums for damn granted. | 12:30 |
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| Khertan | tybollt: hihi | 12:30 |
| Khertan | of course | 12:30 |
| Khertan | i believe only in myself ... but not all the time :) | 12:30 |
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| tybollt | all those facebook groups | 12:31 |
| _berto_ | wow, I didn't know they resumed the work on that hotel | 12:31 |
| Khertan | facebook ? haha ... the things where i create an account ... didn't see any interests ... leave | 12:31 |
| lcuk | how did you leave facebook Khertan ? | 12:32 |
| tybollt | Khertan: there was an outrage because someone made a group "SAVE THE CHILDREN, I DONATE 1 DOLLAR FOR EACH MEMBER" and then when 951589023903 | 12:32 |
| RST38h | KILL. | 12:32 |
| Khertan | lcuk: sending a insulting email :) | 12:32 |
| tybollt | joined he changed the name of the group to "We who want to make childprn legal" | 12:32 |
| jaem | tybollt, O_o | 12:33 |
| Khertan | lcuk: you can't do it yourself ... just insult the facebook team ... they will delete your account | 12:33 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:33 |
| jaem | Khertan, well, you can now... ostensibly | 12:33 |
| jaem | the Canadian government got mad at them | 12:33 |
| Khertan | jaem: ah ... maybe it s new | 12:34 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:34 |
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| RST38h | 1 | 12:34 |
| jaem | although I can't actually vouch for it, as I haven't checked; they say it can take up to 14 days, and if you log in in that time, it's automatically reactivated :/ | 12:34 |
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| jaem | so you can't even check if they've killed it for two weeks, yourself | 12:34 |
| jaem | and I've forgotten to since then | 12:34 |
| jaem | FB is kind of evil | 12:34 |
| Khertan | no no ... | 12:35 |
| Khertan | not a kind ... it s evil | 12:35 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:35 |
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| jaem | true | 12:35 |
| ptl | wow, the RPM vs. DEB discussion on the meego-dev mailing list is reaching a very nice tone... | 12:37 |
| ptl | and very high level | 12:37 |
| ptl | I like it! | 12:37 |
| tybollt | oh? | 12:37 |
| jaem | ptl, is that sarcasm? | 12:37 |
| ptl | no | 12:38 |
| jaem | oh | 12:38 |
| jaem | wow | 12:38 |
| jaem | good | 12:38 |
| tybollt | it's right at the "zOMG U SUX, I R0X!1111" levelor? | 12:38 |
| tybollt | level or* | 12:38 |
| ptl | no, I was not being ironic | 12:38 |
| ptl | the intel guys *are* responding | 12:38 |
| jaem | tybollt, also, your '1' to '!' ratio is a bit high, even for that level | 12:38 |
| jaem | :) | 12:38 |
| ptl | and people are being able to tell them that these closed doors decision is not healthy. | 12:38 |
| jaem | awesome | 12:38 |
| Khertan | meego ... smelt like ... go in the wall ! | 12:39 |
| ptl | on the N900 it would be 'l' to '!' ratio | 12:39 |
| Corsac | here it'd be h to ! | 12:41 |
| jaem | hmm | 12:41 |
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| jaem | does anyone else here have a habit of single-quoting chars and double-quoting strings in their normal everyday writing? | 12:42 |
| Khertan | <troll>meego result will do that only atom phone will be constructed ... with a back bag for the battery ... just to be able to have 1 hour of autonomy </troll> | 12:42 |
| jaem | I realized that I do that automatically a few months back XD | 12:42 |
| jaem | Khertan, oh my | 12:42 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:42 |
| jaem | they explicitly *said* that it wouldn't be x86 only | 12:42 |
| jaem | idiots | 12:42 |
| Khertan | hihi i know | 12:43 |
| Khertan | meego isn't just a trolling community ? | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | it is, it is! | 12:43 |
| jaem | what's almost worse are the people who aren't blatantly trolling, and still can't read the FAQs before making sensationalist posts | 12:43 |
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| Corsac | jaem: I don't usually quote chars in my everyday writing | 12:43 |
| jacekowski | what's a format of these virtual machines with n900 sdk? | 12:43 |
| ptl | reminds me of Lord of the Rings... s-meego-l | 12:43 |
| ptl | not really a troll, more like a deranged hobbit. | 12:44 |
| Khertan | when i see all mail exchanged .... it s make me feeling that the merge of the community will be a failure if all this troll doesn't stop | 12:44 |
| jaem | Corsac, well, when you do, though? | 12:44 |
| jaem | Khertan, yeah... hmm... it was bad enough when the first wave of noobs/trolls hit us after the N900 launch | 12:45 |
| Khertan | jaem: yep | 12:45 |
| jaem | and that hadn't completely died down to "normal" levels by the time MeeGo was announced | 12:45 |
| Corsac | jaem: I guess I would single quote them, but I really never do that :) | 12:45 |
| jaem | hehe | 12:45 |
| Khertan | i like how the community was before the launch of the n900 | 12:45 |
| jaem | yeah | 12:45 |
| jaem | even with the crazy speculation a while before, it was at least sane | 12:46 |
| jaem | and you could generally count on at least post_max-1 of the posts on the Recent list being something that wasn't inane | 12:46 |
| Khertan | for example ... i didn't read anymore talk ... or when i did it ... it s just for laughting | 12:46 |
| jaem | I still do, but it's a once-a-week thing now :( | 12:46 |
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| Khertan | jaem: example : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=399344#post399344 | 12:48 |
| Khertan | : | 12:48 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:48 |
| jaem | do I *want* to know :S | 12:48 |
| * Khertan is waiting maemo package promoter .... :) | 12:49 | |
| Khertan | so VectorMine 1.0.4 will be available in few minutes in extras testing :) | 12:50 |
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| lcuk | Khertan, highlight the keyboard controls somehow - i didnt know i could move away from centre until i tried ctrl-backspacing out and saw it move a fraction | 12:51 |
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| Khertan | lcuk: it s write in help | 12:52 |
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| Khertan | :) | 12:52 |
| * lcuk didnt see help i was happy blowing things up from the centre :p | 12:52 | |
| Khertan | ctrl is enough for trusting | 12:52 |
| Khertan | héhé | 12:52 |
| jaem | Khertan, yikes... I didn't know that thread had gotten so out of hand | 12:53 |
| jaem | although I could have guessed | 12:53 |
| jaem | I purposely avoided it | 12:53 |
| jaem | Khertan, what is vectormine? | 12:53 |
| Khertan | so i should add a short message when starting a party to say what control is availavle | 12:53 |
| Khertan | lcuk: you have teleport on key m too :) | 12:53 |
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| Khertan | http://khertan.net/softwares_en.html <<-- vectormine | 12:54 |
| Khertan | a shareware game from me | 12:54 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:54 |
| * lcuk looks forward to testing this new capability later | 12:54 | |
| Khertan | but be carreful ... teleport can teleport on ennemy too :) | 12:54 |
| jaem | *gasp* shareware! Oh noez ;) | 12:54 |
| jaem | just kidding, I may try it out | 12:54 |
| jaem | I like some of your other stuff | 12:54 |
| Khertan | there isn't any ftl calculation to avoid landing on a cylon star :) | 12:54 |
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| Khertan | jaem: i m trying if shareware game can be a success on maemo | 12:55 |
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| Khertan | if not ... i ll return to my developpers tools :) | 12:55 |
| jaem | Khertan, what sort of shareware? | 12:55 |
| jaem | limited time? demo? | 12:55 |
| Khertan | limited time | 12:55 |
| jaem | personally, I have no issue in principle with paying for software | 12:55 |
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| jaem | and I'd gladly pay you a Euro or two if I liked the game | 12:56 |
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| Khertan | jaem: but it s an old school game ... | 12:56 |
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| Khertan | a clone of MineStorm for Vectrex :) | 12:56 |
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| Khertan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VYHi5pxjas | 12:57 |
| jaem | for me, the issue is twofold - without a credit card, even PayPal is rather inconvenient, and also, I don't like the commercial atmosphere (e.g. paying $10-20 for every little Windows utility you may not even end up using) | 12:57 |
| N900evil | oldskool does not mean unplayable. | 12:57 |
| jaem | this doesn't fall under the latter | 12:57 |
| Khertan | a poor video with a poor phone :) | 12:57 |
| Khertan | jaem: i ll like to put it on ovi ... but not possible today ... so i use paypal | 12:58 |
| jaem | but Free Software is nice for convenience and simplicity, even apart from the Freedom aspect | 12:58 |
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| jaem | yeah, well, PayPal is the only method I can use, anyway | 12:58 |
| jaem | if I had a credit card, I would probably donate to various projects periodically | 12:58 |
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| jaem | but it's just too much of a bother to use most of the time | 12:58 |
| jaem | and I'm a starving student :) | 12:58 |
| N900evil | why not get prepaid? | 12:58 |
| Khertan | prepaid ? | 12:58 |
| jaem | N900evil, because prepaid credit cards tend to have all manner of nasty fine print, from what I've seen | 12:59 |
| N900evil | sometimes. | 12:59 |
| N900evil | mine only has somewhat nasty fees. | 12:59 |
| jaem | I looked into one, but not only did you have to maintain a balance, but they had about three pages of miscellaneous fees attached to it, too | 12:59 |
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| jaem | given that I'm a student, it's more practical to wait ~6-8 business days for PayPal to process a transaction than to worry about fees and balances | 13:00 |
| * Arif_ yawns | 13:00 | |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/view/vectormine/ <-- hum ... icon doesn't show up | 13:00 |
| Khertan | :( | 13:00 |
| jaem | the only financial contribution I have made was buying the Arch Linux necklace | 13:00 |
| jaem | which is shiny :) | 13:00 |
| jaem | but I'd like to donate to more FOSS projects | 13:01 |
| Arif_ | I should stop waking up so early | 13:01 |
| Arif_ | o.O | 13:01 |
| lcuk | given that you are a student, you should be able to offer alternatives to payment, ie supplying media and artwork to projects or dev help triaging or fixing bugs, or even just hosting the odd game of beerpong | 13:01 |
| lcuk | jaem ^ | 13:01 |
| frals | Khertan: i got the same problems for all my packages there | 13:01 |
| Khertan | ah | 13:01 |
| frals | i saw someone else mention it as well yesterday | 13:02 |
| Khertan | frals: it s working for http://maemo.org/packages/view/pygtkeditor/ | 13:02 |
| jaem | lcuk, agreed. And I do try to do the basics like bugs and such. However, I'm only recently getting to the point where I can lookat sending patches and such, and I'm not really any good with media/art/design | 13:02 |
| Khertan | but package is older | 13:02 |
| tigert | whats up with unzip package? | 13:02 |
| frals | X-Fade: icons not showing up at http://maemo.org/packages/view/vectormine/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/, any clue whats wrong? | 13:02 |
| tigert | seems its missing from repo? | 13:02 |
| tigert | oops | 13:02 |
| jaem | the first patch I submitted was a 1-char diff ;) | 13:02 |
| jaem | it was rather amusing | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | frals: I'll look into it. | 13:02 |
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| frals | lol tigert | 13:03 |
| frals | X-Fade: cheers | 13:03 |
| jaem | tigert, that generally helps | 13:03 |
| tigert | it does :) | 13:03 |
| Khertan | X-Fade: in the same time did you have take a look at link problem for bug tracker ? : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.4-1/khertan@khertan.net | 13:03 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:03 |
| jaem | unless your distro works by magic instead of technology | 13:03 |
| jaem | which reminds me... I should finish the chapter on the Aether in that wireless comms textbook I have | 13:04 |
| jaem | :) Yay for 1920's books from book-sales | 13:04 |
| jaem | "The Aether exists! Honestly! You may have heard of the recent theory of relativity, but Einstein's crazy"... (paraphrased) | 13:05 |
| jaem | and rather out of context | 13:05 |
| jaem | but that's more or less how silly it was | 13:05 |
| ptl | Couldn't resist voicing my opinion to the Intel guy on 'community' | 13:05 |
| jaem | ptl, on the mailing list previously mentioned, you mean? | 13:06 |
| lcuk | jaem, im pulling your leg | 13:06 |
| ptl | jaem: yes | 13:06 |
| lcuk | participation here and discussion is just as important | 13:06 |
| ptl | meego-dev | 13:06 |
| jaem | lcuk, yes, but that doesn't make what you said untrue | 13:06 |
| lcuk | *nod* | 13:06 |
| jaem | I just have too many things on the go usually, and not enough time | 13:06 |
| jaem | although the time issue is largely my fault | 13:07 |
| jaem | between time working, and time *ostensibly* working, I have very little free time... if you catch my drift ;) | 13:07 |
| jaem | it's easier to allow oneself to be distracted a lot than to purposely and blatantly procrastinate | 13:08 |
| jaem | which leads to much time being /wasted/ rather than productively "misused" | 13:08 |
| jaem | ...I've always liked to make that distinction, but when I was a little kid, it wasn't appreciated ;) | 13:08 |
| jaem | haha | 13:08 |
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| * jaem declares a thumb-war | 13:09 | |
| * jaem pins nid0's thumb | 13:09 | |
| jaem | \o/ | 13:09 |
| * nid0 cries | 13:09 | |
| * jaem offers a rematch | 13:09 | |
| * nid0 prefers knuckles | 13:10 | |
| * jaem cries just to get it out of the way | 13:10 | |
| jaem | okay... so... I was using my laptop in bed this morning... | 13:10 |
| * ptl curls all his fingers and toes to protect them | 13:10 | |
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| jaem | and when I got up to go shower, I somehow managed to tangle both of my big toes in a loop of the headphone cord, and nearly fell flat on my face into a pile of circuit boards, getting out of bed | 13:11 |
| jaem | fail :( | 13:11 |
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| jaem | it actually would have been pretty funny to watch, I think, but I kind of wrenched my back | 13:11 |
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| ptl | If you died from that, it would be a very nerdy death | 13:11 |
| jaem | ptl, I suppose | 13:12 |
| ptl | you could even attend the darwin awards | 13:12 |
| jaem | but that's hardly comforting | 13:12 |
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| jaem | ptl, in a coffin? | 13:12 |
| ptl | not comforting at all. :P | 13:12 |
| jaem | no, but it was amusing, nonetheless | 13:12 |
| jaem | I'm not a klutz across the board, but my moments are dumb enough that my friends tend to mock me | 13:13 |
| ptl | jaem: the darwin awards is for people who die of... well... not so well thought actions. So being in a coffin qualifies you to participate | 13:13 |
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| jaem | ptl, yeah, I know | 13:13 |
| jaem | I'm glad I didn't injure myself | 13:13 |
| jaem | I have a couple of times, doing stupid things, and it's always the same first aid guy from Campus Security who comes out | 13:13 |
| jaem | and he always makes fun of me | 13:14 |
| jaem | :P | 13:14 |
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| ptl | I do stupid things all the time. Yesterday I just turned my back when I was at the side of a barbed wire. | 13:14 |
| jaem | ouch | 13:14 |
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| jaem | well, I had an incident with a traffic light and a dull-but-serrated knife in my kitchen last year | 13:15 |
| jaem | that was fun, let me tell you | 13:15 |
| jaem | the splash zone was wide enough to cover roughly half of the dorm floor kitchen | 13:15 |
| ptl | from the description it seems a weird kind of 'fun'... | 13:15 |
| jaem | ^^ | 13:15 |
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| jaem | ptl, </sarcasm> | 13:16 |
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| jaem | the funny part was sliding onto the couch spurting blood, with a bloody knife on the ground and blood all over the place, and watching someone come in and freak out | 13:16 |
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| jaem | I had enough presence of mind to ask someone to grab my camera out of my cargo pocket and take a picture :P | 13:17 |
| jaem | for a small finger wound, it really did make a lot of mess | 13:17 |
| jaem | ...that's about all I'll say on that subject, though :) | 13:18 |
| lardman | where does the traffic light come into it? | 13:18 |
| lardman | or is that the type of cocktail you'd been drinking? | 13:18 |
| jaem | lardman, it was in the kitchen | 13:18 |
| jaem | the green light, to be specific | 13:18 |
| mece | jaem, wtf? | 13:18 |
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| ptl | do you have a green traffic light in the kitchen? | 13:18 |
| lardman | +1 | 13:18 |
| jaem | mece, I'm an engineer! | 13:18 |
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| jaem | ptl, well, I brought it into the kitchen | 13:18 |
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| lardman | so you could better aim for a vein? | 13:19 |
| jaem | it had been "decommissioned" by a neighbouring city, and come into the possession of a high school electronics teacher I knew | 13:19 |
| jaem | he had a whole box | 13:19 |
| lardman | oh I see | 13:19 |
| jaem | lardman, no, the stabbing part was accidental | 13:19 |
| lardman | but what does that have to do with your self-stabbing? | 13:19 |
| jaem | lardman, um... | 13:20 |
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| * lardman needs more caffeine for this conversation ;) | 13:20 | |
| jaem | it attacked me? | 13:20 |
| mece | jaem, did you get into a knife fight with the trafficlight? | 13:20 |
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| jaem | it's a good thing it wasn't a *red* traffic light | 13:20 |
| jaem | those are vicious *shudders* | 13:20 |
| ptl | If the light wasn't green, I would think he could have trespassed the red light. | 13:20 |
| jaem | mece, yes | 13:20 |
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| lardman | or you might have just continued cooking not realising the blood was there? | 13:20 |
| mece | jaem, I hate when that happens. | 13:20 |
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| jaem | mece, me too | 13:20 |
| jaem | lardman, well, the blood was pretty obvious | 13:21 |
| jaem | as I said, large splash zone | 13:21 |
| lardman | only kidding | 13:21 |
| jaem | but no one was using that half of the kitchen | 13:21 |
| jaem | so no food was spoilt :) | 13:21 |
| mece | what is this world coming to when you can't even trust grean lights with knives? | 13:21 |
| mece | green too | 13:21 |
| jaem | sigh... I don't know | 13:21 |
| jaem | Halloween was shortly after this, and I gave the traffic light a black mask, and armed it with the knife | 13:22 |
| * lardman looks out the window and sees real-time flow visualisation | 13:22 | |
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| Khertan | grrrr paypal have change some img link | 13:22 |
| jaem | ...it was some time after this that I remembered to clean the dried blood off of the light bezel >_< | 13:22 |
| Khertan | grrrrr | 13:22 |
| lardman | ~20mph wind + snow | 13:22 |
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| ptl | snow? | 13:22 |
| jaem | lardman, what resolution is your window running liqflow at? | 13:22 |
| ptl | the sun is killing me already | 13:22 |
| ptl | and it's 8 in the morning | 13:23 |
| jaem | ptl, bah - we don't have sun here | 13:23 |
| lardman | jaem: eye res and my viewport is 4x4m | 13:23 |
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| ptl | today will be very difficult. I'd rather lock myself in my bedroom and turn on the air conditioning at maximum power. | 13:23 |
| jaem | my university has three seasons: 2 weeks of winter, 1 month of summer, and the rest of the year is... sort of... gray, and miserable | 13:23 |
| lardman | s/university/UK | 13:23 |
| ptl | The sun here is miserable | 13:23 |
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| ptl | I can't even use the N900's touchscreen with sweaty fingers | 13:24 |
| jaem | ptl, if you pay my airfare, I can come lock you in, so you can claim it wasn't your fault | 13:24 |
| lardman | tho' a month is pushing it there | 13:24 |
| jaem | lardman, this is Burnaby, BC, Canada | 13:24 |
| jaem | next to Vancouver | 13:24 |
| jaem | and up on a hill/mountain | 13:24 |
| ptl | I am already sweating and I'm shirtless at 30 cm from the fan | 13:25 |
| lardman | jaem: ah ok, just sounds like here too :) | 13:25 |
| jaem | lardman, fun fog last year: http://gallery.dalefloer.com/main.php?g2_itemId=2925 | 13:25 |
| jaem | that's all we could see for a day or two | 13:25 |
| jaem | and that wasn't the worst of it | 13:25 |
| jaem | everything below the campus was just... gone | 13:25 |
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| lardman | cool :) | 13:26 |
| ptl | these cold environments might be depressive and such | 13:26 |
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| ptl | but having too much sun and warmth is not good either | 13:26 |
| ptl | you can't even think properly | 13:26 |
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| ptl | yeah, girls come out half-naked | 13:26 |
| lardman | lol | 13:26 |
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| ptl | but you can't get to them anyway because you'd be sweating like a pig | 13:27 |
| Veggen | ptl: I can handle cold weather better than heat. | 13:27 |
| tybollt | ptl: where the hell are you? :) | 13:27 |
| ptl | Veggen: me too | 13:27 |
| ptl | tybollt: Brazil... and not in a specially warm area of brazil, I am in the southeast | 13:27 |
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| lardman | I'd prefer to be in Oz right now rather than here in the UK | 13:27 |
| Veggen | Tho I must admit that after two months with snow-covered ground, fresh snow today, and no end in sight, Im getting a bit tired of it ;) | 13:27 |
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| tybollt | and you people talk about cold weather... it's -20 degC over here... could you handle that? :) | 13:27 |
| lardman | though the swirling snow looks quite cool from behind glass | 13:27 |
| RST38h | lardman: 50% chance of skin cancer | 13:28 |
| ptl | tybollt: my ex-fiancée was from Natal, 3000km north of here, much closer to the equator | 13:28 |
| RST38h | lardman: Sure you want it? | 13:28 |
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| Veggen | tybollt: ok, has only been down to around -15 here, this winter. | 13:28 |
| lardman | tybollt: it's not the cold per-se, more the grey and dull days and the damp | 13:28 |
| lardman | RST38h: yeah, my Mum's Australian, I tend to go there a fair bit | 13:28 |
| RST38h | Ah | 13:28 |
| Veggen | tybollt: though, with not much air humidity, -20 degC isn't that cold. Lowest I've been camping in (with tent) is around -25. | 13:29 |
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| tybollt | ptl: londrina? sau paulo? brazilia? bello horizonte? | 13:29 |
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| jaem | hmm... speaking of my campus reminds me | 13:30 |
| tybollt | I want to go to sau paulo to visit the favela | 13:30 |
| tybollt | hard core :D | 13:30 |
| jaem | does anyone recognize this building: http://gallery.dalefloer.com/main.php?g2_itemId=3037 ? | 13:30 |
| jaem | :) | 13:30 |
| jaem | it's not the best picture | 13:30 |
| jaem | but picture it with a large particle cannon on the roof | 13:30 |
| jaem | or possibly this one: http://gallery.dalefloer.com/main.php?g2_itemId=3034 | 13:30 |
| jaem | on a certain colony planet :) | 13:31 |
| ptl | tybollt: Campinas, 92km from Sao Paulo | 13:31 |
| Jaffa | jaem: Nope, don't recognise it | 13:31 |
| jaem | Jaffa, http://gallery.dalefloer.com/main.php?g2_itemId=1340 | 13:31 |
| jaem | does that help? | 13:31 |
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| Jaffa | jaem: Ah, yes. BSG location for Caprica scenes | 13:32 |
| jaem | yep | 13:32 |
| jaem | and the first one (our library) was used in some other Sci-Fi | 13:32 |
| jaem | Stargate, I think, for one | 13:32 |
| jaem | but I haven't actually seen it | 13:32 |
| tybollt | ptl: ah... | 13:32 |
| Khertan | Ask for licences to be resent <<< does grammar is ok ? | 13:32 |
| tybollt | ptl: plenty bonita for you (lucky basterd ;) | 13:32 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, yes. May have been where an advanced race of humans had their court. Not the Ashen, the something else. | 13:32 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: re-sent. | 13:32 |
| Khertan | thx | 13:32 |
| jaem | Khertan, I resent your license! | 13:33 |
| Khertan | ? | 13:33 |
| ptl | tybollt: where are you from anyway? | 13:33 |
| jaem | Khertan, it's not Free enough :P | 13:33 |
| jaem | just kidding | 13:33 |
| Khertan | ah lol | 13:33 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:33 |
| ptl | Veggen: and you? these very low temperatures scare me. | 13:33 |
| tybollt | ptl: .se :) Have friend in sao paulo | 13:33 |
| Jaffa | jaem: The Tollan - http://www.gateworld.net/wiki/images/thumb/e/e5/Tollan.jpg/300px-Tollan.jpg | 13:33 |
| jaem | Jaffa, the building where BSG was shot (the Academic Quadrangle, which is sort of built into the hill a bit, with a bunch of big lecture halls coming off the 4 concourses underneath what you see) is rather iconic | 13:33 |
| tybollt | _had_ friend | 13:34 |
| jaem | Jaffa, that'd be it | 13:34 |
| jaem | Jaffa, the pond you see in the AQ shot has been drained for a while, though, which is sad | 13:34 |
| jaem | we normally throw profs into it around this time of year (after breaking the ice) to raise money | 13:34 |
| jaem | ...for charity | 13:34 |
| Jaffa | :) | 13:34 |
| jaem | all good fun | 13:34 |
| jaem | we being the engineers and compies | 13:35 |
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| jaem | ... I'm not sure where they've put the fish | 13:36 |
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| jaem | watching them wrestle the large ones into buckets was entertaining | 13:36 |
| jaem | anyhow, waaaay off-topic | 13:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: depending on the prof - you might raise more money throwing them into the mud. | 13:39 |
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| jaem | SpeedEvil, harharhar... it's not so much mud as a centimetre or so of dubious filth overtop of concrete, with a good two foot drop | 13:42 |
| jaem | so that would probably end poorly | 13:42 |
| jaem | and the point is to make them suffer in the cold water in Februrary | 13:42 |
| jaem | which the people who do the throwing do an admirable job of :) | 13:42 |
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| Khertan | Youhou ! | 13:51 |
| Khertan | resend keys now works too on my website | 13:51 |
| Khertan | if anyone is interested on making custom paiement method on his website ... i can provide some script which do it | 13:52 |
| Khertan | (with paypal only) | 13:52 |
| Khertan | and deliver registration code automatically for shareware | 13:52 |
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| jaem | does anyone know which git repository this package is pulled from? http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/qt4-maemo5-declarative/4.6.2~git20100212-4maemo1/ | 13:55 |
| jaem | someone in #plasma is trying to locate it | 13:56 |
| Terje1 | jaem, tried qt gitorious? | 13:56 |
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| jaem | Terje1, I haven't, but the person asking said he tried there, under all applicable branches | 13:57 |
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| jaem | Terje1, steveire was the one asking | 13:58 |
| Terje1 | jaem, then the only option left is an internal repository. | 13:58 |
| jaem | hmm... okay | 13:59 |
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| furunk3l | yes hello | 14:17 |
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| jaem | night, all | 14:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | anyone had luck using joikuspot beta? it seems to run and start fine but on my laptop, iwlist wlan0 scan reports no scan results. | 14:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. nevermind. relaunched, and now it shows up. uses a different essid then the one I entered and still cant associate but its there | 14:27 |
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| TomaszD | hmm, first time my n900 rebooted itself just like that, just listening to fm radio | 14:34 |
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| steveire | <Terje1> jaem, then the only option left is an internal repository. What do you mean by that? | 14:38 |
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| steveire | A repo that is not published? | 14:39 |
| steveire | By nokia or someone else? | 14:39 |
| matthew- | Still no update for people in the UK. That sucks. | 14:41 |
| nid0 | thats nokia for you | 14:41 |
| nid0 | flash to the global firmware so you dont carry on getting stitched up from now to eternity, imo | 14:41 |
| ali1234 | yep | 14:41 |
| matthew- | may have to | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | steveire: I think uploads are being done by someone from qt in australia. | 14:42 |
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| crashanddie | steveire: in Brisbane, to be precise, where I am | 14:45 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Visit the park at the uni already? | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: nha | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: btw, I work for QT | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Ah ;) | 14:46 |
| Shapeshifter | but nah, joikuspot doesnt do the job for now. worked for a minute eating 20%cpu and making xorg eat the rest of the cpu and made the device reboot after 3 minutes after crashing once | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Well, was there a few months ago on holiday. | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | well, not the same as the one you're thinking... Queensland Transport :P | 14:46 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Was strictly holiday for me. | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | how'd'you like it? | 14:47 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, new job? | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | went down to Byron Bay, Australia zoo and such? | 14:47 |
| lcuk | or thats your contract | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: contracting | 14:47 |
| lcuk | ahh lol | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: check my LinkedIn page | 14:47 |
| lcuk | didnt think you would be a busdriver | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | lol... | 14:48 |
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| crashanddie | not quite :D | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Of course. Got my own crikey cap ;) | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: haha, I nearly got one, but then thought "Am I really that much of a tourist?" | 14:48 |
| steveire | crashanddie: Any idea what commit has a declarative that works with 4.6.2? | 14:48 |
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| lcuk | steveire, ask in #qt-maemo | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | steveire: as I specified above, I'm contracting for Queensland Transport, not the company previously known as Trolltech | 14:49 |
| Terje1 | steveire, sorry, I was elsewhere. I was just guessing that it must be then some repository in the nokia.com intranet. | 14:49 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: But Brisbane was was quite nice, as far as 'big' cities go. | 14:50 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Drove from Sidney to Cairns. | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: yeah... it has the dynamism of a big city without the chocking feeling of say... London | 14:51 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: 'lu ! | 14:52 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: meego -> megot ... :) | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: plop mon cochon, comment va | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: yep ;_) | 14:52 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: ca va bien et toi | 14:52 |
| Khertan | . | 14:52 |
| Khertan | ? | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | pepere... bientot 23h, j'edite mes photos tranquilou | 14:52 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: j'ai enfin reussi a fixer un putain de bug de pypackager et j'ai release vectormine | 14:52 |
| Khertan | enfin ! | 14:53 |
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| crashanddie | cool | 14:53 |
| Khertan | des photos a 23h ... huhu | 14:53 |
| Khertan | il est presque 14h ici | 14:54 |
| Shapeshifter | seems like the n900 doesnt have iwconfig. and it doesnt show up in ifconfig when its not enabled by some gui means. how can I enable it to do stuff with it? I'm attempting to make a bridge and things | 14:54 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/ | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | there is iwconfig in some repo | 14:54 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: ouch !!! really nice photos !!! | 14:55 |
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| Corsac | crashanddie: I've uploaded iproute to extras-devel and you could use ifconfig -a | 14:55 |
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| crashanddie | Corsac: wrong person | 14:55 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: thanks | 14:56 |
| Corsac | crashanddie: yeah, but I'm sure you're quite interested too! | 14:56 |
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| crashanddie | Corsac: not really | 14:56 |
| Corsac | pff :( | 14:56 |
| alterego | So, how do we get proper button and font sizes when using Qt? | 14:57 |
| alterego | s/we/I/ | 14:57 |
| infobot | alterego meant: So, how do I get proper button and font sizes when using Qt? | 14:57 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Ah, I see you met the wombat too ;) | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: I even saw the guard again last weekend for a drink ;) | 14:58 |
| X-Fade | heh | 14:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, this weeks issue turned out nicely. | 15:01 |
| hrw | alterego: use Qt 4.6? | 15:01 |
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| pillar_ | alterego: put widgets inside layouts? | 15:04 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Next week's could be a problem. I'm in France on Sunday night/Monday | 15:06 |
| alterego | pillar_: nice :) I hadn't actually got around to doing that yet ^.^ | 15:06 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: May need crashanddie's system up and running | 15:06 |
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| w00t | where is the 'audio clips' folder stored? | 15:09 |
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| hrw | mydocs/.sounds/ | 15:10 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia for crappy names | 15:10 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia for crappy names ! | 15:10 |
| * w00t looks | 15:10 | |
| w00t | I have no /home/user# cd MyDocs/.sounds | 15:11 |
| w00t | -bash: cd: MyDocs/.sounds: No such file or directory | 15:11 |
| w00t | *I have none: | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | you have a usb cable in? | 15:11 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: mh I canr find iwconfig anywhere | 15:11 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: yes | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: mass storage.. | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | MyDocs gets exported | 15:12 |
| Khertan | http://www.gomonews.com/nokia-is-dropping-the-price-for-developers-who-make-mobile-apps-for-maemo/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GomoNews+%28GoMo+News%29 | 15:12 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: it doesn't have anything there | 15:12 |
| Khertan | ^^^ no more 50Euro for registration ... | 15:12 |
| w00t | at least, not what I'm after | 15:12 |
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| w00t | found it when I unplugged | 15:13 |
| w00t | intuitive.. | 15:13 |
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| pillar_ | w00t: I like using ssh (scp) instead, that way I can access all directories etc. | 15:15 |
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| Khertan | i use most of the time ssh connection from nautilus ... works really well | 15:16 |
| Khertan | usb mass storage is useless for me :) | 15:16 |
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| alterego | Hrm, my labels aren't aligning with my line edits when in form layout :/ | 15:20 |
| alterego | Well, not properly aligning vcenter .. | 15:20 |
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| Khertan | pffff ovistore is still not open to developpers .... | 15:21 |
| alterego | Khertan: unlikely to be either :./ | 15:21 |
| Khertan | and company without vat still cannot register | 15:21 |
| Khertan | it s a shame | 15:22 |
| alterego | Maybe we should start a maemo-developers (inc) :) | 15:22 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, i heard that we should wait a month or tweo for an announcement to imprrove this re: ovi store and small devs | 15:23 |
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| Khertan | zaheerm: this was already what they said in november 2009 | 15:23 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:23 |
| zaheerm | lol ok | 15:24 |
| Khertan | alterego: i ve done all php script and things to do paypal paiement | 15:24 |
| Khertan | on my website | 15:24 |
| Khertan | it s not trivial, but can be done easily ... | 15:24 |
| alterego | Yeah, I was contemplating doing that myself. | 15:24 |
| alterego | Having my own store, like those boingo guys. | 15:24 |
| Khertan | the problem is that user must trust you ... and your store ... | 15:25 |
| Khertan | and they will probably more trust nokia ovi store than mine | 15:25 |
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| alterego | Plus it's there by default, and it gets all the benifits of being on there, like ratings and rankings that an N900 user can actually see. | 15:26 |
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| Khertan | alterego: indeed | 15:27 |
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| fzfq3m | hi there guys | 15:27 |
| fzfq3m | is there a way to calibrate N900's acelerometer?? | 15:27 |
| alterego | And I have to say, if there's one thing I tend to look for it's star ratings (personall) as I usually find them a pretty good indicator of the quality of a peices of software. | 15:28 |
| Khertan | alterego: yep | 15:28 |
| andre__ | fzfq3m, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37216 ? | 15:28 |
| Khertan | but my shareware can be try before ... | 15:28 |
| Khertan | so ... you know what you bought :) | 15:28 |
| alterego | I noticed an effort to bring that into extras, but that's not really something a normal user is going to actually look for, not with Ovi there. | 15:29 |
| Khertan | yep | 15:29 |
| alterego | Khertan: I was thinking of just targetting different markets with free/non-free versions. The non-free would have extra functionality oriented towards business usage. | 15:29 |
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| alterego | Is labels & line edit orientation being off in a form layout a known issue? Or am I doing something wrong? :( | 15:31 |
| jacquesdupontd | hahaha | 15:32 |
| jacquesdupontd | http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTQ0MDk3MzIw.html | 15:32 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/19/symbian_compile/ <- heh | 15:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: it does have one possibly promising line for early code release. | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Symbian denies the early release of the code - which doesn't compile - before Barcelona was timed to achieve executive's bonuses. Sources put this in the region of six figures per suit. ' | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | "open sourcing things give you bonusses" | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | "when done at the right time" | 15:45 |
| * w00t lols | 15:45 | |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: tell a few people that and I bet we'll see BME within a year! | 15:45 |
| Corsac | :) | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | next headline: open source causes bodily harm | 15:46 |
| fzfq3m | andre_: Sorry for being that annoying, but I could find how to calibrate the accelerometer!!! | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: http://bmezine.com/ | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | (not worksafe) | 15:47 |
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| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: yes, i know that site | 15:47 |
| tools | hi all - not sure if this is the best place to ask but you guys may know. What battery-life do I have to expect on a n900 when doing like 30m WLAN/UMTS, 30m calls and 1h reading on the phone per day? | 15:47 |
| tools | a very rough estimate would do | 15:47 |
| fzfq3m | andre_: my problem is that isn't working,... I'm trying to play Bounce Evolution and thel Red ball always goes to the left and stays there | 15:48 |
| andre__ | fzfq3m, uhm, that's ugly. might be https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6996 | 15:48 |
| povbot | Bug 6996: Accelerometer uncalibrated after reboot | 15:48 |
| fzfq3m | andre_:povbot: Thanks I will search for that bug | 15:48 |
| andre__ | you can just click the URL instead ;-) | 15:49 |
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| fzfq3m | andre_: Thanks, I just noticed that :-P | 15:49 |
| hrw | bug #6996 | 15:49 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6996 Accelerometer uncalibrated after reboot | 15:49 |
| hrw | ah right | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | tools: >1 day | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | tools: that is - worst case - I haven't flattened it in under 2h | 15:51 |
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| tools | SpeedEvil: ^^ you mean 2d instead of 2h - right? | 15:55 |
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| nid0 | he means 2h | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | tools: no - 2h | 15:56 |
| fzfq3m | andre_, povbot:Solved... I just needed to remove the battery...Thanks | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | as in constantly playing games, while downloading stuff from 3g at max display brightness | 15:57 |
| nid0 | i'm averaging about 24 hours with moderate usage and wlan connected, but 3g disabled | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - game. | 15:57 |
| nid0 | so if you're using umts you'll probably get slightly less | 15:57 |
| tools | okay | 15:58 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: you karmawhoring bastard! :D | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i got hurt by the fact you had more karma than me ;p | 16:00 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: you're trying to beat me using "thanks!" that's not fair! :D | 16:00 |
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| arachnist | 142854 | ciaranm | Apetrini: that's like saying that a rapist isn't to blame for raping people, and that it's society's fault | 16:01 |
| arachnist | whoops | 16:01 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I still wonder why some people considered your post as "long" It took like 2 minutes for me to read it :) | 16:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, don't worry, it's not an efficient method. | 16:02 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: ah, I'm not worried actually :D Just never saw that many thanks for a single post :D | 16:03 |
| ptl | what post? Can someone tell me the URL? | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's because Stskeeps is a big fat whore. :P | 16:03 |
| wazd | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=538094#post538094 | 16:03 |
| ptl | I love long rants | 16:03 |
| ptl | thanks | 16:03 |
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| w00t | GeneralAntilles: dare I ask how you know this? | 16:04 |
| ptl | Oh, I've read this post | 16:04 |
| ptl | even did a 'thanks' | 16:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | w00t, just look at his signature. *g* | 16:05 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: haha. | 16:05 |
| wazd | oh, I bought a pack of marmelade called "Trolly" :D | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Symbian^3 UI demo looks so 2007. | 16:07 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: ++ | 16:07 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: I'm making MeeGo demo right now :) | 16:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ain't you afraid to eat it though? | 16:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, and the MeeGo netbook UI is too simplified to be usable for me. | 16:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: it was tasty, actually :P | 16:08 |
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| w00t | GeneralAntilles: wrt symbian, are you honestly surprised? | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i wouldn't mind taking concepts from uiemo and seeing if you can whip something cool up | 16:09 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, I'm making pda version, screw netbooks :) | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, not in the least. | 16:09 |
| wazd | w7 is the best OS for netbooks anyway :P | 16:09 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: eeeevil | 16:09 |
| w00t | on that note | 16:09 |
| * w00t idly contemplates playing with DUI today | 16:09 | |
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| wazd | RST38h: Akado makes me feel so 56k | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: uiemo might actually run really nice on N8x0, heh | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, I hear law enforcement is cracking down on that these days. | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | if we get it accelerated with openvg.. | 16:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: Drop the bastards. Or have they bought out every communal network in the center? | 16:10 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm not in the center right now :( | 16:11 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: dui! :P | 16:11 |
| RST38h | Driving Under Influence of S60 UI designers? | 16:11 |
| w00t | haha | 16:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: Drop 'em wherever you are =) | 16:11 |
| wazd | RST38h: no alternatives | 16:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: unfortunately | 16:12 |
| RST38h | wazd: :( | 16:12 |
| RST38h | wazd: BTW, 3G does rule, where it works | 16:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: but now I love my center ISP so much :) | 16:12 |
| * RST38h found a problem with Autobuilder: no mce package =( | 16:13 | |
| RST38h | wazd: There is one more possible way to get connectivity | 16:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: Beeline/MTS WiFi | 16:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: It is relatively cheap and exists wherever you have got a bar or a restaurant nearby | 16:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: beeline wifi is an ubercrap :) | 16:15 |
| * thresh would love to have a pub nearby | 16:15 | |
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| Khertan | >[15:09] <wazd> w7 is the best OS for netbooks anyway :P <<<< HAhahaahaha take 12 min to boot on my samsung n130 ... 2 min on ubuntu :) | 16:18 |
| wazd | Khertan: 12 minutes? :) | 16:18 |
| wazd | Khertan: why not 12 hours? :) | 16:18 |
| Khertan | because it s win seven | 16:19 |
| Khertan | take really long to boot or wake up | 16:19 |
| wazd | Khertan: I really can't beleive it | 16:19 |
| Khertan | really ? | 16:19 |
| Khertan | the netbook was deliver with win seven starter edition | 16:19 |
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| wazd | Khertan: cause my C7 1.2 Ghz HP 2133 boots in like 2 minutes | 16:20 |
| Khertan | and after 2 days of use ... i scratch it for ubuntu | 16:20 |
| Khertan | uh ? | 16:20 |
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| Khertan | or maybe the crappy samsung malware | 16:20 |
| wazd | Khertan: I think there's something really wrong with your OS | 16:20 |
| Khertan | which cause so long boot | 16:20 |
| wazd | Khertan: 12 minutes, oh my :D | 16:21 |
| Khertan | but when it was connected to power supply it tooks 4 min | 16:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, it kinda works | 16:21 |
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| wazd | RST38h: akado "kinda" works too :D | 16:21 |
| RST38h | Ehhhh | 16:21 |
| Khertan | what s funny is that a deep sleep wake up with ubuntu or a start take the same time | 16:22 |
| wazd | Khertan: seriously, try to install some pirated w7 and you'll see | 16:22 |
| RST38h | pirated already? the callback thing too? | 16:22 |
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| Khertan | wazd: really ... i didn't need :) | 16:23 |
| Khertan | ubuntu works very well | 16:23 |
| Khertan | and i can play d2 with wine ... | 16:24 |
| Khertan | so no need of windows | 16:25 |
| Khertan | (d2 == Diablo 2) | 16:26 |
| mgedmin | Khertan, really? because I think resume from hibernation takes longer than a fresh start | 16:26 |
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| Khertan | mgedmin: same time from ubuntu 9.10 | 16:27 |
| mgedmin | cool | 16:27 |
| Khertan | no differences | 16:27 |
| mgedmin | actually, not cool at all | 16:27 |
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| Khertan | but it s depends also of amount of memory | 16:27 |
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| Andy80 | the scrollable list used, for example, in MicroB browser when you start it, or... for example, in Contacts application ecc... can be done with a QTableView class? | 16:28 |
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| X-Fade | frals: Icon issue resolved. | 16:29 |
| Khertan | thx X-Fade | 16:30 |
| w00t | Andy80: not sure what question exactly you're asking - are you asking how those sort of lists are done with Qt? | 16:30 |
| Andy80 | w00t: yes | 16:30 |
| w00t | Andy80: if it's single column, QListView(Widget, if you don't want to deal with models) will work | 16:31 |
| Andy80 | w00t: it's at least two columns | 16:31 |
| w00t | Andy80: http://blog.rburchell.com/2010/02/pyside-tutorial-model-view-programming_22.html <-- take a look at that, for instance, and try it out on your device, scrolling should work fine | 16:31 |
| w00t | Andy80: then you either want a custom widget doing the rendering of the list items, or a table, yes | 16:32 |
| Andy80 | w00t: oh :\ I did read that tutorial and I really couldn't understand what the hell was a model and how to use it... | 16:32 |
| Andy80 | w00t: the example looks like too complex imho | 16:32 |
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| w00t | Andy80: I'm happy to explain in depth, just ask questions (..this might not be the channel for it) | 16:32 |
| an0therb0x | help please .. has anyone gotten navit working on nokia n900 ? | 16:33 |
| Andy80 | w00t: I didn't think there was the need to create a custom widget in Qt to simply display a scollable list similar to the one used in Gtk by gPodder for example | 16:33 |
| Andy80 | w00t: but... I'll read the tutorial agaiin... | 16:33 |
| w00t | Andy80: see /msg, I'll explain more | 16:34 |
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| frals | X-Fade: ta :) | 16:40 |
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| Khertan | w00t: it s so complicated to do things in QT | 16:51 |
| Khertan | when i read this tutorial | 16:51 |
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| w00t | Khertan: that isn't how you *must* do it, mind | 16:52 |
| w00t | that's one way to do it | 16:52 |
| w00t | Khertan: I'll admit it does take some getting used to modelview.. if you've got any feedback on things you'd like to see better explained, by all means, ask | 16:52 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:52 |
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| w00t | it's one of the tricker parts of Qt, so it could certainly use all the help it can get :P | 16:53 |
| Khertan | i can understand it well ... this is just that it s look like using a nuclear weapon to kill an ashmatic mosquito | 16:53 |
| w00t | *grin* | 16:53 |
| w00t | that's deliberate, though | 16:53 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:53 |
| Khertan | ah ... so | 16:53 |
| w00t | I'm trying to keep it simple, so you can see what's going on | 16:53 |
| w00t | obviously you wouldn't usually use something like this for something so simple | 16:54 |
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| w00t | worth noting too that most of that complexity is probably the comments :P | 16:54 |
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| Khertan | hum ... yep i understand better the code than the comment ... | 16:55 |
| w00t | that's probably my fault :) | 16:55 |
| Khertan | but english isn't my native language | 16:55 |
| Khertan | (nor python too ... but s so simple ) | 16:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, what, you need a copy-editor? :P | 16:55 |
| w00t | I didn't write this all at once like I did the last tutorials, and I was a bit tired when proofreading it | 16:55 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: nah, I should have kept it until today, and polished it this morning before publishing | 16:55 |
| w00t | I *started* writing that tut while mildly drunk late friday night/early saturday morning, wrote a bit more when absolutely knackered on saturday.. and finished it off late sunday night :P | 16:56 |
| w00t | not a good combination | 16:56 |
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| Khertan | anyway ... i ve read your tutorial ... as i'm a real nweebie at using qt/pyside | 16:56 |
| w00t | Khertan: great :) if there's anything you want to see covered, at all, let me know | 16:56 |
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| Khertan | your tutorial is well explained | 16:56 |
| w00t | I think I'll do a small one on custom painting of widgets today, to break up the modelview stuff | 16:57 |
| alterego | w00t: have you covered pyside's uic? | 16:57 |
| w00t | alterego: negative | 16:57 |
| alterego | w00t: would be nice to have a Qt Designer PySide tutorial I think :) | 16:57 |
| w00t | I don't actually use designer a lot, so it hadn't occured to me :) | 16:57 |
| w00t | I'll write myself a reminder | 16:57 |
| Khertan | w00t: for the moment i didn't have any project that use qt ... but when i ll got one ... i ll surely contact you i have any question | 16:57 |
| w00t | Khertan: great! :D | 16:58 |
| alterego | w00t: I've got a problem :P | 16:58 |
| Khertan | w00t: didn't understand how the designer work ... it s so different from glade :) | 16:58 |
| w00t | alterego: go on | 16:58 |
| w00t | Khertan: I guess I'll do one on how to use designer, from the top down then :) | 16:58 |
| alterego | w00t: I've created a dialog, got me buttons and everything the right size using layouts. I've got on the left side of the dialog a frame, which contains form elements, but the labels don't centre align properly with their line edit inputs :/ | 16:59 |
| Khertan | w00t: could be interesting ... even if Designer didn't run on n900 :) | 16:59 |
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| w00t | alterego: can you screenshot for me? | 16:59 |
| alterego | w00t: sure, hang on. | 16:59 |
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| Wild_Doogy | Hey, anyone know if the N900's GPS shows up in /dev ? and if so, whats the name. I cant seem to find it. | 17:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | it doesn't | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not a serial device | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | it's part of the phone | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | you use it via dbus | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | and/or liblocation | 17:01 |
| Wild_Doogy | hmmmm | 17:01 |
| paulk_ | Hello ! I'd like to buy a phone and I'd like to know if Maemo (and the N900) is composed only by Free Software, or not ? | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | no, it's not | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | there are large non-free components. | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | But. | 17:02 |
| paulk_ | What's non-free ? | 17:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | Many of them are getting freer. | 17:02 |
| paulk_ | ok | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | And there isn't a freeer functional phone out there. | 17:02 |
| w00t | paulk_: graphics drivers, for instance | 17:02 |
| w00t | but what SpeedEvil said | 17:03 |
| Wild_Doogy | the neo freerunner is probably opener, buty it is way outdated | 17:03 |
| paulk_ | (I'll buy it in July, maybe I should check at this moment ?) | 17:03 |
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| homeasvs | anyone here have any issues with MyDocs not giving back free space of deleted files ? | 17:03 |
| paulk_ | Wild_Doogy: Yes, I think it's the phone for me but it costs too much ! | 17:03 |
| Wild_Doogy | its probably in .trash | 17:03 |
| homeasvs | I deleted a bunch of ext2 images I had because MyDocs was close to full, but deleting 4 GB of them didn't give me any free space | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | being optimistic - the freerunner software is nowhere close. | 17:04 |
| ali1234 | ADP1 is freer than N900 | 17:04 |
| w00t | homeasvs: I might be completely wrong onr emembering this - but have you tried restarting? | 17:04 |
| Wild_Doogy | paulk_: the N900 has about 6 times the possessor as the neo freerunner, and it can just barely play youtube videos. | 17:05 |
| homeasvs | w00t, yes, I did reboot | 17:05 |
| w00t | homeasvs: ok, then I'm out of ideas | 17:05 |
| homeasvs | Wild_Doogy, about .trash, was that for me? | 17:05 |
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| Wild_Doogy | yes | 17:05 |
| Wild_Doogy | let me look | 17:05 |
| hardaker | homeasvs: Um, maybe actually... I did something like the other day and it didn't free up much. Do make sure that the file system you're actually modifying is in MyDocs. | 17:05 |
| paulk_ | Wild_Doogy: ok, but I don't want to watch videos (and shurley not youtube's videos) with my phone, I've got a digital audio player (with Rockbox) to do that :) | 17:06 |
| paulk_ | s/shurely/surely/ | 17:06 |
| tru | I only know one person that had a freerunner. he threw it away and got a nokia dumbphone instead, because it was unusable as a phone. | 17:07 |
| paulk_ | ok | 17:07 |
| Wild_Doogy | paulk_: Right-ho, just letting you know that prossesor is only like 200MHz compated to the 600MHZ + 400MHZ of the N900 | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | It - the freerunner - is not unusable if you are skilled enough to pick the right image | 17:07 |
| ShadowJK | If one uses a phone to make calls I wouldn't get freerunner and I'd probably not get N900 either | 17:07 |
| paulk_ | (as for me, I just want to call my friends and send SMS) | 17:07 |
| homeasvs | hardaker, it is. I'm truly puzzled. | 17:08 |
| hardaker | huh. | 17:08 |
| Khertan | so a nokia 3210 is enough to call and send sms | 17:08 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:08 |
| paulk_ | Khertan: is it free software ? | 17:08 |
| homeasvs | hardaker, a du shows there's only 22 GB there, while df reports 27.9 | 17:08 |
| Khertan | paulk_: hum ... there is a software on it ? i think it was hardware only :) | 17:09 |
| homeasvs | is there some hidden deleted files dir on vfat file systems that I don't know about ? | 17:09 |
| Wild_Doogy | SpeedEvil: agreed, but I cant see it still being usable in two years, while the N900 will have the hardware to limp along | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wild_Doogy, that's more a statement about Flash than about the N900. :) | 17:09 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 17:09 |
| hardaker | I don't remember how well du output aligns with df (ie, how much it counts directory sizes themselves for cache trees and stuff that have lots of directories) | 17:09 |
| paulk_ | Khertan: lol :) I want a N900 or a FreeRunner for freedom, nothing more :) | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wild_Doogy, and ARM9 and Cortex aren't really comparable MHz to MHz. ;) | 17:09 |
| Wild_Doogy | yes, I know | 17:09 |
| Khertan | paulk_: so ... take an n900 ... it ll be easier to found than a freerunner | 17:09 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:09 |
| pupnik | it is not easy to say how one's expectations will change | 17:09 |
| Wild_Doogy | just like amd VS intel | 17:09 |
| paulk_ | Khertan: I don't think so ; And I prefer to pay shipping than to have a semi-free phone | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wild_Doogy, more like Pentium 4 vs Core 2 | 17:10 |
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| Khertan | hum ... i mean that today found a freerunner to bought is really difficult | 17:10 |
| homeasvs | hardaker, the only thing that I can think of that might have gone wrong is that these images were loopback-mounted, and though I did unmount them before deleting the image files (and restarted), somehow the space wasn't freed | 17:10 |
| Wild_Doogy | Some one wanted to know about trash: "cd /home/user/MyDocs/.Trash-1000" will show you the stuff in the "recycling bin" | 17:11 |
| Wild_Doogy | Khertan: I have a link | 17:11 |
| paulk_ | Khertan: http://openmoko.com/freerunner.html click "Buy Freerunner" | 17:11 |
| Khertan | paulk_: and the nokia n900 isn't semi free ... it s more 98% free :) | 17:11 |
| Khertan | and for the last 2% ... i'm not sure that they are really close | 17:11 |
| Wild_Doogy | http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner | 17:12 |
| Khertan | oh i think they have stop selling it | 17:12 |
| paulk_ | Khertan: :) Ok I'll see Mameo in July ! | 17:12 |
| homeasvs | Wild_Doogy, huh, I don't have that dot directory on my n900 | 17:12 |
| Wild_Doogy | $200 for a A6 | 17:12 |
| hardaker | (and what the heck is up with putting major content in . directories anyway???) | 17:12 |
| alterego | w00t: sorry about the delay, work and all :) http://alterego.metapath.org/images/maemo-devel/Screenshot-20100222-150057.png | 17:13 |
| homeasvs | Wild_Doogy, any way from the ui to get to trash ? | 17:13 |
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| shinkamui | the last 2% is Angry Birds :) | 17:13 |
| cehteh | oh man .. vfat doesnt have symlinks .. crap | 17:13 |
| w00t | alterego: ah, right, I've actually seen that happen too on a QDialog I did, and I wasn't able to figure it out either.. manually setting alignment didn't fix it | 17:14 |
| w00t | alterego: maybe #qt-maemo might be of some help? | 17:14 |
| cehteh | Khertan: n900 is not *that* free and some closed things are annoying | 17:14 |
| Wild_Doogy | homeasvs: try typing (in a new terminal, doest have to be root) "cd" (tab should get you MyDocs/) "." (tab) and you should see all the . directorys in mydocs | 17:14 |
| Khertan | cehteh: like what ? | 17:15 |
| * homeasvs learns about dosfsck | 17:15 | |
| homeasvs | Wild_Doogy, I checked all . directories, it's not there | 17:15 |
| Wild_Doogy | homeasvs: strange | 17:15 |
| cehteh | camera app, mce, dsme, bme | 17:15 |
| homeasvs | dosfsck tells me the following: | 17:15 |
| homeasvs | Reclaimed 109128 unused clusters (7151812608 bytes). | 17:15 |
| homeasvs | Free cluster summary wrong (5274 vs. really 114402) | 17:15 |
| homeasvs | that seems hopeful | 17:15 |
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| Khertan | cehteh: uh ? i think there are ... | 17:15 |
| cehteh | the camera app for example can only write to FAT filesystems which is really pita when you want to reformat to some better filesystem | 17:16 |
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| Wild_Doogy | Question: anyone know how to get the current time from the GPS? or is it not worth trying. | 17:16 |
| thresh | cehteh: that's bullshit | 17:16 |
| thresh | camera app doesnt care for FS it will write to | 17:16 |
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| cehteh | thresh: so why do so many people complain then? | 17:17 |
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| thresh | srsly? | 17:17 |
| cehteh | yes | 17:17 |
| thresh | teh only reason vfat was chosen is compatibility | 17:17 |
| cehteh | there is a bug in the bugtracker | 17:17 |
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| Khertan | cehteh: ouch this sucks ! | 17:18 |
| cehteh | i didnt investigated this, just trusting this bug, maybe i try to reformat my sd card tomorrow (need the device today, no risk in crapping it) | 17:18 |
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| alterego | w00t: thanks, didn't know there was a qt-maemo channel :) | 17:19 |
| Wild_Doogy | Any one notice how accurate the clock on the N900 is? | 17:19 |
| homeasvs | ok, so the dosfsck left me with three huge files, as big as the images I deleted before, which I can now properly delete | 17:20 |
| homeasvs | Wild_Doogy, not very - I don't know why they don't have an ntp or something running | 17:20 |
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| cehteh | there is a not in some repo | 17:20 |
| Wild_Doogy | so how much does it wander? minutes a week, or seconds a week..... | 17:21 |
| cehteh | you can also enable 'automatically update clock' somewhere in the settings then it gets it from somewhere (ntp, gsm, gps ..) | 17:21 |
| shinkamui | hmm | 17:21 |
| cehteh | for me it stays accurate with that enabled | 17:21 |
| shinkamui | will usb mass storage work if I changed the internal 32gig flash format to EXT3? | 17:21 |
| Wild_Doogy | I tryed that, but I cant get an updae out of it | 17:21 |
| cehteh | i wont install a ntpd because of constant cpu wakeups | 17:22 |
| shinkamui | or will it only be mountable on a system that supports ext3 | 17:22 |
| shinkamui | :) | 17:22 |
| Wild_Doogy | I want to try updating from GPS ^_^ | 17:22 |
| cehteh | the gps is closed behind a big wall .. you can only access it through certain interfaces .. rtfm for that | 17:23 |
| homeasvs | Wild_Doogy, mine's about two minutes off after a month or two it looks like | 17:23 |
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| homeasvs | funnily enough I have openntpd installed but not active, let's check that | 17:23 |
| Wild_Doogy | ok, a minute/ month isnt bad | 17:23 |
| homeasvs | Wild_Doogy, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=433352#post433352 seems helpful | 17:24 |
| Khertan | w00t: did you know if qtopia binding are compatible with pyside ? | 17:26 |
| Wild_Doogy | Thanks | 17:26 |
| w00t | Khertan: you mean qtmobile? or which in particular? | 17:26 |
| w00t | (qtopia as it was is pretty much discontinued afaik, though it is open for anyone to continue it) | 17:26 |
| Khertan | w00t: i mean qtopia for zaurus | 17:27 |
| Khertan | i ve found a old little soft that can be interesting to port to maemo | 17:27 |
| w00t | Khertan: erh.. *no* idea tbh | 17:28 |
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| w00t | I think that qt can still talk to the old qtopia window system, yes, but I don't know if pyside will like that | 17:28 |
| Khertan | w00t: | 17:28 |
| w00t | worth a try | 17:28 |
| w00t | :P | 17:28 |
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| Khertan | qtopia api seels compatible with old pyqt3 binding | 17:29 |
| Khertan | PyMoney is not compatible with Qt/PyQt version 4.0 or upper! | 17:29 |
| Khertan | :( | 17:29 |
| Wild_Doogy | Ok, I found my problem: "Then what does the "update automatically" checkbox do then? It enables clock synchronization with the cellular network, if an activated SIM is in the N900." and i have no SIM card ^_^ | 17:29 |
| w00t | Khertan: port it! :P | 17:29 |
| Khertan | yep ... but a lot s of work so | 17:29 |
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| Khertan | i'ven't the time now | 17:29 |
| Khertan | :( | 17:29 |
| * w00t nods | 17:30 | |
| * w00t looks at it | 17:30 | |
| Khertan | héhé | 17:30 |
| Khertan | there isn't so many apps created with pyqt | 17:31 |
| Khertan | strange | 17:31 |
| w00t | Khertan: it's just not really gotten the exposure it deserves, I think | 17:31 |
| w00t | (part of why I'm making an effort to talk about it :)) | 17:32 |
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| Khertan | it's just not really gotten the exposure it deserves, I think <<< i doubt on that ... but it s personnal preferences.... i prefere pygtk :) | 17:33 |
| Wild_Doogy | Simple fix: sudo gainroot; apt-get install openntpd; ntpd | 17:33 |
| Wild_Doogy | time is updated | 17:34 |
| Wild_Doogy | (Still want nanosecond accuracy fro mm the GPS, just for kicks and giggles ^_^) | 17:34 |
| cehteh | expect your battery drain like no tomorrow with ntpd (just my guess) | 17:35 |
| Wild_Doogy | it runs constantly? | 17:36 |
| Wild_Doogy | that explains why my time seems to be all bonkers right now. keeps jumping ~ 3 minutes | 17:37 |
| Wild_Doogy | in all directions | 17:37 |
| cehteh | not constantly but with a lot wakeups | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | I thought ntp didn't influence uptime | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | isn't that an internal kernel counter, not tied to the system clock? | 17:37 |
| slonopotamus | Wild_Doogy, use ntp-client instead, it syncs time only once. | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | and isn't uptime paused when you put your laptop to sleep? | 17:38 |
| cehteh | Wild_Doogy: could it be that you have the 'automatic time update' enabled in the settings | 17:38 |
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| Wild_Doogy | sweet -runs killall ntpd- | 17:38 |
| cehteh | and our operator has some clocks which are off? | 17:38 |
| * mgedmin suggests apt-get remove | 17:38 | |
| Wild_Doogy | cehteh: yes, but that uses cell time, and I have no SIM card | 17:38 |
| cehteh | gsm desynced with gps? | 17:38 |
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| cehteh | ah ok | 17:38 |
| slonopotamus | Wild_Doogy, ntpd makes sense on constantly-on machines (esp servers) | 17:39 |
| cehteh | well phone is constantly on too | 17:39 |
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| cehteh | and gps should give a stratnum 1 timesource too .. | 17:39 |
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| cehteh | but i dont know if the ntpd on the n900 gets time from the internal gps | 17:40 |
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| cehteh | and that will be bad for the battery for sure | 17:40 |
| Wild_Doogy | well, for a drifty of a minute a month, you should run ntpd-client only once a month...... | 17:40 |
| nid0 | constantly on machines that dont require a battery* | 17:40 |
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| cehteh | on my laptop i have a cronjob @hourly ntpdate ... | 17:40 |
| cehteh | having ntp server here on my office server which i query | 17:41 |
| Wild_Doogy | cronjob...... good idea..... | 17:41 |
| cehteh | well .. n900 has no cron | 17:41 |
| slonopotamus | cehteh, you usually don't want that much accuracy that always running ntpd provides. | 17:41 |
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| Wild_Doogy | (STILL WANT GPS TIME!!!) hahaha | 17:41 |
| slonopotamus | Wild_Doogy, cron itself drains battery too :) | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I used ssh root@phone date set current date | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | on the server | 17:42 |
| cehteh | slonopotamus: thats why i have it only on one server and all other ntpdate | 17:42 |
| zash | slonopotamus: what?! | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | so you set date from the servers date hourly when in range of the server | 17:42 |
| cehteh | Wild_Doogy: read the doc about the gps api | 17:42 |
| cehteh | i am not sure but quite certain you cant get time form it | 17:42 |
| slonopotamus | zash, cron periodically writes to disk. | 17:43 |
| cehteh | writing a small daemon in C which updates the time once a day or every few hours from gps should be feasible and dosnt need that much power then | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Why not ntpd, again? | 17:43 |
| hrw | ~curse extras upload/build process | 17:43 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, extras upload/build process ! | 17:43 |
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| cehteh | but be careful only enable gps when needed, give it enough time to get a fix (10 minutes) and dont forget to disable it | 17:44 |
| flux | slonopotamus, what does it write, if you don't have logging or atime updating enabled? | 17:44 |
| cehteh | RST38h: ntp needs quite some cpu | 17:44 |
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| cehteh | not as in cycles but constant wakeups | 17:44 |
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| cehteh | when it slews the time it wakes up every some milliseconds | 17:45 |
| flux | cehteh, hm? | 17:45 |
| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Hey | 17:45 |
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| flux | but yes, ntp appears to bail out from select with SIGALRM every second or so | 17:46 |
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| cehteh | some bash loop while sleep 3600; do | 17:46 |
| cehteh | some bash loop while sleep 3600; do ntpdate $server; done | 17:46 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Your plugin is causing me some pain btw | 17:46 |
| cehteh | should do to .. put that in background and voila | 17:46 |
| cehteh | RST38h: works like a charm here what are your problems? | 17:47 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Autobuilder has problems building it | 17:47 |
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| cehteh | because of what? | 17:47 |
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| cehteh | missing header? | 17:47 |
| RST38h | Dependance on mce | 17:47 |
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| RST38h | yep | 17:47 |
| cehteh | not the xchat-plugin.h? | 17:47 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: mce. | 17:48 |
| cehteh | well of course it depends on mce | 17:48 |
| RST38h | looks like autobuilder has no mce, or something... trying again. | 17:48 |
| cehteh | ah not .. i hardcoded all i tihnk | 17:48 |
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| cehteh | remove the mce-name.h include | 17:49 |
| cehteh | lemme look | 17:49 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: tried mce-dev? | 17:49 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone here from the UK or using the GLOBAL firmware? | 17:49 |
| Corsac | what's the global firmware? | 17:49 |
| cehteh | actually i should hardcode the strings but use mce defines, but it just happed that way from my initial test code :> | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | Corsac, it's on tablet-dev.nokia.com | 17:50 |
| nid0 | im from the uk *and* using the global firmware | 17:50 |
| Wild_Doogy | BTW guys, I am CATing a USB GPS that I have, and there doesn't seem to be any time information at all. Soooo..... doesnt look like its possible. (STILL WANT GPS TIME ^_^) | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | nid0, cool, I have one small question, what's the step between frequencies on the FM transmitter? | 17:50 |
| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5477215/how-developers-really-feel-about-windows-phone-7 | 17:50 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: trying now | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | (does it allow XX.1, XX.2, XX.3?) | 17:51 |
| cehteh | #include <mce/dbus-names.h> | 17:51 |
| cehteh | ^^ comment that out | 17:51 |
| nid0 | 0.1mhz right through the spectrum, same as on the uk variants | 17:51 |
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| MohammadAG | nid0, thanks, changing the US firmware to global then | 17:51 |
| RST38h | cehteh: will it still compile? | 17:51 |
| nid0 | from 88.1 to 107.9 | 17:51 |
| RST38h | 'cause it did not =) | 17:51 |
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| cehteh | RST38h: i can query you my makefule | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Worked? | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | nid0, on my US device (imported) it goes from 88.1 to 88.3 | 17:52 |
| nid0 | gutted. | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | so the step is 0.2 (odd numbers only) | 17:52 |
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| hrw | ~curse Qt/maemo5 for broken rotation example | 17:52 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Qt/maemo5 for broken rotation example ! | 17:52 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: waiting for response from autyobuilder | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-February/017551.html | 17:53 |
| RST38h | cehteh: please, stop | 17:53 |
| RST38h | sorry | 17:53 |
| cehteh | only a few lines :) | 17:53 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: coooooooolio =) | 17:53 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: making it depend on mce-dev did the job! | 17:54 |
| Wild_Doogy | WAIT! spoke too soon... >_> its in format HHMMSS.SSS | 17:54 |
| cehteh | heh ok | 17:54 |
| RST38h | Ok, next package: FBReader | 17:54 |
| Wild_Doogy | :-D sweet | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Next time use search on package interface to find it ;) | 17:54 |
| cehteh | well its rather a bug on my side not depending on mce and hardcode all this stuff :P | 17:54 |
| nid0 | http://xkcd.com/705/ :D | 17:54 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I did for a bit and ended up asking Stskeeps a few hours ago =) | 17:54 |
| cehteh | RST38h: btw i build it with -Os, no -g and stripping it .. 12k then | 17:54 |
| RST38h | cehteh: -O2 | 17:55 |
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| cehteh | prolly makes no big difference anyways | 17:55 |
| RST38h | cehteh: And yes, it is belo 20kB, no big deal. The new XChat build will load it automagically | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | nid0, thanks again | 17:55 |
| cehteh | fine | 17:55 |
| cehteh | thanks for packaging | 17:55 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Some asshole will still absolutely INSIST on optifying it though | 17:55 |
| cehteh | haha | 17:55 |
| cehteh | is xchat optified? | 17:55 |
| RST38h | Yes | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, why isn't that optified yet? | 17:56 |
| cehteh | btw i was wong yesterday /usr/lib/xchat is not $libexecdir but $pkglibdir .. | 17:56 |
| RST38h | cehteh: See? =) | 17:56 |
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| cehteh | GeneralAntilles: because this path might be somewhat ugly hardcoded or so | 17:56 |
| javispedro | 20KiB! my rootfs will run out | 17:56 |
| cehteh | hey its 12kb here! | 17:57 |
| RST38h | General: Because optifiying it will not be aesthetically pleasing! | 17:57 |
| cehteh | strip it, -Os and no -g | 17:57 |
| RST38h | Here, have it. | 17:57 |
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| cehteh | this whole optifing is utterly crap | 17:57 |
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| RST38h | Well, moving data to /opt is usually ok | 17:57 |
| cehteh | it could be sovled much bether | 17:57 |
| RST38h | but symlinking every single freaking file is kinda too much | 17:58 |
| cehteh | yes but why not just mount /usr somewhere with more spoace | 17:58 |
| cehteh | yeah | 17:58 |
| hrw | developing with Qt for Maemo5 is pain | 17:58 |
| RST38h | cehteh: has to be up when the system boots | 17:59 |
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| cehteh | then its broken | 17:59 |
| toggles_w | hrw: aww man... with that be fixed in pr1.2? | 17:59 |
| hrw | 2 Qt releases at same time, API which change daily, non working examples | 17:59 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Well, it is kinda old argument... | 17:59 |
| hrw | toggles_w: which will be in March/April/2011 | 17:59 |
| RST38h | hrw: Use GTK+ then | 17:59 |
| cehteh | by definition /bin and /sbin are for that | 17:59 |
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| cehteh | anyways i suggested to have a unionfs like eeepcs ... | 18:00 |
| hrw | RST38h: my gtk+ skills are weaker then my win32 ones | 18:00 |
| toggles_w | RST38h: wont that screw you for meego? | 18:00 |
| cehteh | that would solve that too | 18:00 |
| javispedro | Meego has Gtk+ too. | 18:00 |
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| toggles_w | hmm | 18:00 |
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| javispedro | but not the Maemo Gtk+ AFAIU | 18:00 |
| RST38h | toggles: if you stay abstracted from the concrete UI it will not | 18:00 |
| cehteh | hey my evil plan is to write apps for the device i own ... if it works on meego that would be a coincidence :P | 18:00 |
| RST38h | hrw: does not take much | 18:00 |
| hrw | RST38h: yeah... and building UI from C code is also fun | 18:01 |
| hrw | reading style guide just to get values for margins/paddings etc | 18:01 |
| cehteh | if nokia releases meego for the n900 i eventually fix my apps to run there too | 18:01 |
| RST38h | hrw: Yea, it is fucked up, but I am afraid Qt is just as fucked up. | 18:02 |
| cehteh | btw is the openvpn maintainer here on irc? | 18:02 |
| RST38h | hrw: It also provides you with a good incentive of not creating too elaborate UIs | 18:02 |
| hrw | RST38h: my UI is simple | 18:05 |
| RST38h | then you will not suffer too much | 18:05 |
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| RST38h | just a little bit needed to write a few screenfuls of gtk code | 18:05 |
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| hrw | RST38h: with Qt I click in Qt Designer | 18:07 |
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| RST38h | hrw: Which is probably a bad idea anyway | 18:10 |
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| RST38h | hrw: because you have no control of the code it produces | 18:10 |
| RST38h | once you need to insert somethign there, it will be either parting ways with the designer or a roadblock | 18:11 |
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| hrw | RST38h: insert into UI? | 18:11 |
| RST38h | insert or change something in the UI | 18:12 |
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| hrw | RST38h: I create UI once and do not alter it during app run. if I need to change UI I launch Qt Designer and edit in it | 18:12 |
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| RST38h | that is very nice of you | 18:12 |
| * RST38h goes to check what code qt designer generates | 18:12 | |
| hrw | RST38h: XML code | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | flashing was a complete waste of my time :/ | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | FM tx still skips 0.1 | 18:13 |
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| RST38h | Ah, so it comes with an xml parser | 18:13 |
| RST38h | hrw: does this xml code get linked to your program or loaded from a separate file? | 18:13 |
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| hrw | C++ code/header is generated during build process | 18:14 |
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| hrw | RST38h: there is also support for loading UI defintion during app run but I never used it | 18:15 |
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| RST38h | Can I see the C++ coe generated by the designer? | 18:15 |
| hrw | moment | 18:15 |
| * RST38h would like to verify a few suspicions | 18:15 | |
| hrw | RST38h: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/src/ | 18:16 |
| RST38h | thanks =) | 18:16 |
| hrw | np | 18:17 |
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| RST38h | hrw: I expected to see a lot of absolute coordinates, but the only ones I see are for the main window. Which is pretty cool. | 18:21 |
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| RST38h | hrw: What I find strange though is that the cpp files do not seem to have any UI code | 18:22 |
| hrw | RST38h: this is Qt - there are no fixed coords | 18:22 |
| hrw | RST38h: check .h | 18:22 |
| RST38h | hrw: There are may be, depends on how you program it | 18:22 |
| hrw | RST38h: my last app with fixed coords was in 1996 | 18:23 |
| RST38h | hrw: Oh here comes the cluster fuck... | 18:23 |
| RST38h | hrw: I also have not written any for years, but coordinates are still popular among Win32 and Java programmers | 18:23 |
| hrw | and gtk | 18:23 |
| RST38h | hrw: gtk does not encourage this either | 18:24 |
| hrw | but margins/paddings are usually hardcoded in style guide | 18:25 |
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| RST38h | hrw: yea, but this is less of a problem. they hardly affect the layout | 18:25 |
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| RST38h | Ok, so Qt Designer thing puts all the code into header files | 18:26 |
| RST38h | Which is somewhat of a mess but probably isn't as bad as it could have been | 18:27 |
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| hrw | RST38h: it is autogenerated code which you should not change so it is fine for me | 18:28 |
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| * RST38h remembers Motif | 18:29 | |
| hrw | I did not used X11 at that time | 18:30 |
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| openstandards | yuck | 18:30 |
| RST38h | Motif actually had a semidecent UI definition language, did not encourage absolute cooridnates, and read UI definitions from files | 18:31 |
| derf | It also looked like cat puke. | 18:31 |
| RST38h | yea, it has got those create_simple_bulletin_board_widget_w() things | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | derf: that is debatable | 18:31 |
| RST38h | derf: compared to OpenLook... | 18:32 |
| derf | Okay, fair point. | 18:32 |
| RST38h | ï°ÿOr tk... | 18:32 |
| RST38h | or Xt... | 18:32 |
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| derf | I've actually had to maintain Motif code as recently as 4 years ago. | 18:32 |
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| openstandards | yikes openlook looks horrid too | 18:32 |
| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/02/22/qt-under-maemo-is-pain-to-develop-with/ | 18:33 |
| El_Angelo | i disagre | 18:33 |
| openstandards | nextstep has always looked interesting | 18:33 |
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| RST38h | It lives in MacOS X | 18:34 |
| RST38h | So, all you need to do is learn ObjectiveC, buy yourself a Mac, and shave you^H^H^H^H^H | 18:35 |
| derf | I'd rather use Motif. | 18:35 |
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| openstandards | i know RST38h i've watched the advert with steve jobs.... it looked powerful back then | 18:35 |
| * RST38h used NeXT boxes a lot back at the university | 18:36 | |
| * openstandards is jealous | 18:36 | |
| derf | NeXT boxen were awesome. | 18:36 |
| derf | At the time. | 18:36 |
| RST38h | The lab was at the 3rd floor of the UMD CSS building I think | 18:36 |
| derf | That time was the early 90's. | 18:36 |
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| RST38h | Well, UMD mostly had pizza boxes | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, fwiw most of these issues should be resolved with PR1.2 | 18:36 |
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| RST38h | b/w, 68040 based | 18:37 |
| openstandards | everyone seems to have a-lot of praise for the old NeXT boxes | 18:37 |
| nid0 | also screen rotate does seem to work fine now, someone posted a really straightforward script for it on tmo a day or two ago | 18:37 |
| RST38h | Were my favorite workstations before OSF/1-running Alphas arrived | 18:37 |
| javispedro | hrw: you're right, automatic rotation comes with pr1.2 | 18:37 |
| javispedro | hrw: even for gtk apps | 18:37 |
| hrw | derf: were. but why they had to require specific monitors... | 18:37 |
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| derf | hrw: Gotta make a profit somewhere... | 18:38 |
| hrw | ;) | 18:38 |
| hrw | javispedro: shame that it is not described anywhere in docs | 18:38 |
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| javispedro | hrw: it's beta software. | 18:38 |
| javispedro | hrw: you're not actually supposed to use it, but only test. | 18:38 |
| hrw | javispedro: as 90% of maemo5 | 18:38 |
| javispedro | but that doesn't have the beta moniker! | 18:39 |
| derf | But yes, DEC... 500 MHz 64-bit processors when Pentiums were happy to break 200 MHz was nice. | 18:39 |
| RST38h | hehe | 18:39 |
| * SpeedEvil loved his DEC laptop. | 18:39 | |
| SpeedEvil | A netbook when nobody had even heard of the term. | 18:39 |
| RST38h | derf: The number of bits does not really matter, 64bit is usually slower than 32bit | 18:39 |
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| derf | RST38h: Depends on what you're doing. | 18:40 |
| RST38h | derf: But they were 166MHz machines that ran Motif UIs as if they were Amigas | 18:40 |
| RST38h | derf: Pretty much anything but hard math and database access | 18:40 |
| openstandards | gotta love the old amigas :D | 18:40 |
| derf | I do hard math. | 18:40 |
| RST38h | then yes | 18:40 |
| openstandards | its a shame they were so advanced | 18:41 |
| derf | I mean, just having a reasonable number of registers was already a huge win. | 18:41 |
| RST38h | that's true | 18:41 |
| RST38h | but has nothing to do with bit width =( | 18:41 |
| derf | Sure, wasn't saying it did. | 18:41 |
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| RST38h | openstandards: Amigas weren't very advanced, actually more like simplified versions of NeXTs | 18:42 |
| RST38h | openstandards: The guy who wrote the OS lived alone with his pet rabbit though, and that might have made the difference =) | 18:42 |
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| openstandards | damn.... | 18:43 |
| sheepbat | 4 lucky rabbit's feet still attached to the rabbit? | 18:43 |
| derf | But really, the main reason x86-64 performs so much better than x86-32 for the stuff I do is the extra registers. | 18:43 |
| RST38h | derf: Does not perform all that better for me =( | 18:43 |
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| RST38h | Ok, XChat goes into testing | 18:44 |
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| KamuiN900 | 3 bar edge connectivity is unbearably slow | 18:45 |
| RST38h | Vulture's Eye goes into testing | 18:45 |
| KamuiN900 | jeebus | 18:45 |
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| RST38h | Whoever wants the new FBReader will have to wait. | 18:46 |
| javispedro | RST38h: oh, what's the changelog? | 18:46 |
| RST38h | javis: pupnik's graphics imported | 18:46 |
| javispedro | ah | 18:46 |
| javispedro | thanks | 18:46 |
| RST38h | javis: I looked at moving save games into ~ but decided against it | 18:46 |
| RST38h | javis: Nethack has not really been designed to do that | 18:46 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I already removed a lot of that stuff | 18:46 |
| javispedro | since on Diablo saves would go into a FAT filesystem | 18:47 |
| RST38h | well it still saves to /usr/lib/vultures | 18:47 |
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| javispedro | ... which on diablo is /media/mmc2/... | 18:47 |
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| RST38h | If you know of a clean way to save stuff into ~user/.vultures , make an update :) | 18:47 |
| RST38h | you will probably want to place savefiles and records there | 18:47 |
| javispedro | will see (much later though =) ) | 18:48 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: If you wish, we can look at the FBreader click processing together | 18:51 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I have done some research of the source code and found why it never works right. The prblem is I have no idea what to do with it =) | 18:52 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: I'm doing some other stuff ATM | 18:53 |
| javispedro | (and also any day i'm going to grab gtk2 plucker and build it) | 18:53 |
| javispedro | dunno if its UI is any better, but I'm sick of no tables. | 18:54 |
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| openstandards | does anyone know of any issues with msn-pecan logging in | 18:55 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: the mbx kmod source as shipper by TI does not contain your latest patches (fbsize et al) | 19:00 |
| javispedro | s/shipper/shipped | 19:00 |
| hrw | have a nice rest of day | 19:01 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: so I guess the prebuilt modules do not either. | 19:01 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: sorry, disregard that. me being an idiot as usual =) | 19:03 |
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| Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.4-1/ <<<---- is waiting your tests | 19:05 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:05 |
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| RST38h | javis: heh | 19:06 |
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| RST38h | javis: will plucker do fb2, html, and plain txt? | 19:06 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: no, but having a 10 year palmos heritage means I don't have any of those =) | 19:07 |
| RST38h | javispedro: oh. not much use here then. | 19:07 |
| * javispedro would be using GVM's Plucker if GVM was not uselessly crashing with it | 19:08 | |
| frals | mmm bacon | 19:08 |
| RST38h | http://stilinberlin.blogspot.com/2010/02/london-fashion-week-new-men.html | 19:08 |
| * RST38h snickers involuntarily | 19:09 | |
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| frals | wtf... | 19:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the comments aren't trolling, are they? | 19:10 |
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| RST38h | General: I have no idea. They seem to be from girls, so that lowers probability of trolling | 19:11 |
| corecode | i got it | 19:11 |
| corecode | \o/ | 19:11 |
| corecode | n900 finally arrived | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Excellent! | 19:12 |
| corecode | anybody have an idea how to perform jabber/muc best? | 19:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles activates the remote detonation switch. | 19:12 | |
| * javispedro 's n810 explodes | 19:12 | |
| javispedro | you killed it bastard! | 19:12 |
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| javispedro | next time please ensure the ICBM address is OK before hitting the big red button | 19:14 |
| RST38h | javispedro: won't even need a gps, cell id should be fine | 19:14 |
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| zs | what's cell id? | 19:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: need a MIRV if you need to take out a 30km diameter. | 19:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | add coffee | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 19:20 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Afaik 100Mt should e sufficient | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: nope. | 19:22 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Unless of course you fancy shiny glass surfaces | 19:22 |
| * SpeedEvil tries to remember the scaling radius. | 19:22 | |
| RST38h | there was a web app | 19:22 |
| RST38h | at PBS site, no less. was my favorite. | 19:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah. I used to know the scaling formulae for the neutron, overpressure, and flash damage radii. | 19:23 |
| RST38h | Ah found it | 19:23 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: the name of the PBS app is American Experience =) | 19:23 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: the PBS page is still up but no web app =( | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | What is up with the line wrapping on bugzilla.mozilla.org. . . . | 19:24 |
| cehteh | so .. openvpn works so lala ... | 19:25 |
| javispedro | hm.. | 19:25 |
| * javispedro wonders why nfsv3 mount() returns EPROTONOSUPPORT | 19:25 | |
| javispedro | this worked yesterday.. | 19:25 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Nuke.html | 19:26 |
| cehteh | uhm latency over gsm | 19:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | 100MT may do it, then, yes. | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | For all but hardened users. | 19:28 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Well, the classic: http://www.damninteresting.com/the-most-powerful-bomb-ever-constructed | 19:29 |
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| dassu | I guess Maemo browser has a internel media player ( non-flash) ? | 19:34 |
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| Arif_ | maemo does yes | 19:35 |
| dassu | Let's hope it does because I have no idea how to deactivate greasemonkey script on maemo browser :P | 19:35 |
| antii | Any good music player to recommend for N900? | 19:35 |
| Arif_ | the built in player? | 19:36 |
| Arif_ | :p | 19:36 |
| dassu | antii: What's wrong with the default? | 19:36 |
| dassu | I was suprised how good the default was. Really fullfills all my requirements. | 19:36 |
| Arif_ | meh | 19:37 |
| Arif_ | the symbian media player is better | 19:37 |
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| RST38h | Ok, vote for the new XCHat here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xchat/2.8.6-maemo15/?net_nemein_favourites_execute=fav&net_nemein_favourites_execute_for=e8dbdd0a1fd511dfa6cd033843e4f807f807&net_nemein_favourites_url=/json/fav/org_maemo_packages_package_instance/e8dbdd0a1fd511dfa6cd033843e4f807f807/ | 19:38 |
| RST38h | Oh shit | 19:38 |
| Arif_ | lol | 19:38 |
| RST38h | That was a mistake | 19:38 |
| Arif_ | what happens if I click that | 19:38 |
| pronto | thats what she said (sorry i had too) | 19:38 |
| pronto | >.> | 19:38 |
| RST38h | Arif: Should be ok | 19:38 |
| RST38h | Most of the URL can be omitted though | 19:39 |
| lcuk | RST38h, congrats, you should have bit.ly fied that link | 19:39 |
| lcuk | doesnt that submit a vote too ;) | 19:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I shouldn't have given that long a link to begin with | 19:39 |
| lcuk | meh :P | 19:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Only one way to find out! (cackle) | 19:39 |
| lcuk | bit.ly would do it nicer | 19:39 |
| lcuk | ;) | 19:39 |
| javispedro | he is cheating the system! ban him! bring in the torches and pitchforks! MOBilize!! | 19:40 |
| javispedro | s/in/on, ok, ok. | 19:40 |
| RST38h | Does it really autovotes though? I mean, really? | 19:40 |
| lcuk | CHEATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT | 19:40 |
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| lcuk | no actually | 19:40 |
| RST38h | good, would be a gaping hole otherwise | 19:41 |
| Arif_ | no one uses IRC anyway | 19:41 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: changelog? | 19:41 |
| pupnik | we have found a witch! may we burn her? | 19:41 |
| Arif_ | why burn | 19:41 |
| Arif_ | let her do chores! | 19:41 |
| Arif_ | =D | 19:41 |
| RST38h | Speed: XChat has got a bigger icon and the notification plugin from cehteh | 19:41 |
| sheepbat | Ooo | 19:42 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: "Rape first. Then plunder. And only THEN burn." | 19:42 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Did you kill the per-second gettime? | 19:43 |
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| lcuk | Arif_, you do not eat food from a witch | 19:43 |
| RST38h | Speed: Long time ago | 19:43 |
| lcuk | especially not if she knows she was saved only for cooking | 19:43 |
| RST38h | you are probably mistaking xchat for fbreader where it still ticks | 19:43 |
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| pupnik | eh? the proper response is "How do you _know_ she's a witch?" :( | 19:43 |
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| cehteh | xchat is really nice now (speaking about cpu) | 19:43 |
| RST38h | pupnik: That is easy | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: nope. though that too | 19:43 |
| lcuk | i cannot read my own text written in xchat | 19:43 |
| Arif_ | she has a candy house? | 19:44 |
| lcuk | the grey is too close to black | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: maybe it's net-activity | 19:44 |
| RST38h | pupnik: If she is heavier than 45kg, she is not a witch | 19:44 |
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| lcuk | not enough contrast | 19:44 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Because that is how much a broomstick can lift. | 19:44 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: That is what the Malleus Maleficarium saus anyways | 19:45 |
| pupnik | ahh. guess we're on different scripts | 19:45 |
| javispedro | hmm... my nfs.ko suddenly gained the string "%s: NFSv3 not compiled into kernel" | 19:45 |
| javispedro | magic. | 19:45 |
| pupnik | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mobile_Dev_Camp_2010 Helsinki Feb. 27 | 19:45 |
| javispedro | a witch did it. | 19:45 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Der Hexenhammer for you | 19:45 |
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| dassu | Hmm | 19:50 |
| dassu | Can't seem to get youtube without flash scripts to work :/ | 19:50 |
| dassu | THey report that the browser is not video capable | 19:50 |
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| dassu | WELL | 19:52 |
| cehteh | mircrob prolly not .. maybe fennec shines there? | 19:52 |
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| Nithin | Hi, can any tell me how do i change the call times on my N900. Its not taking the default system time. | 19:59 |
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| javispedro | oh no, a xkcd comic made to slashdot | 20:04 |
| gouverneur | who's the guy smoking weed while setting up gconf values? | 20:04 |
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| RST38h | OMH Nexus One uses 16bpp color it is worse then iPhone! | 20:07 |
| RST38h | Run for your lives! | 20:07 |
| cehteh | gouverneur: i wonder who initiall came up with gconf .... prolly Icaza | 20:08 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: Bill Gates himself | 20:09 |
| cehteh | hehe | 20:09 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: As it is basically a copy of Windoze registry | 20:09 |
| cehteh | yes thats called windows registry | 20:09 |
| pronto | anyone know of a method to share a image directly to my own ftp server, and not though a middle man like pixel pipe? | 20:09 |
| cehteh | but i have to admit that gconf is *slightly* better | 20:09 |
| RST38h | But then, Icaza really loves Windows, doesn't he? | 20:09 |
| javispedro | he does | 20:09 |
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| javispedro | I've never thought the registry is a bad idea btw. feel free to flame. | 20:09 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Well, it is not as brain dead, indeed | 20:09 |
| cehteh | hence i thought about icaza | 20:09 |
| RST38h | javis: the way it is implemented, it is another MS ClusterFuck | 20:10 |
| javispedro | RST38h: probably, never used win32 one other than flidding with the gui editor | 20:10 |
| RST38h | javis: Several API (that's when they suddenly figured out they need access controls and reimplemented whole API) | 20:10 |
| javispedro | bah | 20:10 |
| javispedro | enuff said. | 20:10 |
| RST38h | javis: And if the file gets corrupted your windows install is doomed | 20:10 |
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| RST38h | And, have I forgotten to mention that win registery gets fragmented? :) | 20:11 |
| Nithin | Hi, can any tell me how do i change the call times on my N900. Its not taking the default system time. | 20:11 |
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| javispedro | going back to the previous topic, how we know the iphone fb is NOT 16bits? | 20:11 |
| javispedro | s/bit/bpp | 20:11 |
| RST38h | Enjoy: http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_One_ShootOut.htm#Figure1 | 20:11 |
| Trice | DCC SEND irc.tddirc.net#hackerthreads 0 0 0 | 20:11 |
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| RST38h | javis: Mighty Apple claims that much | 20:12 |
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| pronto | Trice: ?? | 20:12 |
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| Trice | DCC SEND irc.tddirc.net#hackerthreads 0 0 0 | 20:12 |
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| pronto | Trice: stop trying to DCC me shit | 20:12 |
| jysky | Trice, why are you trying to send some shit? | 20:12 |
| cehteh | Received a malformed DCC request from Trice. | 20:12 |
| jysky | fucker! | 20:12 |
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| cehteh | drone? | 20:12 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: just wait when those happy AMOLED screen users finally _realize_ the colors quickly degrade over time | 20:13 |
| cehteh | and amoled does *not* work in bright sunlight | 20:13 |
| Shadikka | Drone. | 20:13 |
| lcuk | dont worry, my eyes degrade at about the same rate too | 20:13 |
| lcuk | by this time next week i will be blind | 20:13 |
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| RST38h | javis: smartphones do not live that long | 20:14 |
| cehteh | since amoled is only active lighting and can not benefit from any translucency it has to overshine ambient light | 20:14 |
| RST38h | javis: someone here quoted that an average lifespan of a smartphone ids 6 months | 20:14 |
| javispedro | ... specially 600€ ones. | 20:14 |
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| javispedro | :) | 20:14 |
| lcuk | most people have later ones | 20:14 |
| lcuk | longer ones | 20:14 |
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| javispedro | actually I quoted that too. | 20:15 |
| cehteh | i expect my n900 to laste a few years | 20:15 |
| RST38h | aha! | 20:15 |
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| * RST38h has an almost undamaged E70 that lived for something like 4-5 years | 20:15 | |
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| wazd | who's spamming me with shit? | 20:17 |
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| * javispedro watches his soon 8-year old m130 | 20:17 | |
| wazd | ah, nm | 20:17 |
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| RST38h | mirror mirror on the wall | 20:17 |
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| RST38h | who is spamming most of all | 20:18 |
| arachnist | trice? | 20:18 |
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| javispedro | I think he's spamming in alphabetical order =) | 20:19 |
| gavin | he spammed the entire channel | 20:19 |
| Corsac | yup | 20:19 |
| javispedro | or the entire network | 20:19 |
| Corsac | aren't dcc ctcps?\ | 20:19 |
| javispedro | is he on the channel btw? | 20:19 |
| corecode | okay, how do i do a num lock? | 20:19 |
| javispedro | ~seen Trice | 20:19 |
| corecode | i seem to be too stupid to figure this out | 20:19 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'trice', javispedro | 20:19 |
| nick_fn | I'm trying to post at talk.maemo.org. I have verified my account - "Your account has already been activated so please try logging in.", but each time I try to post to thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=23768&page=3 it says "you do not have permission to access this page. " :-/ It's being frustrating! Does anyone know the correct incantation/hoops? | 20:20 |
| nick_fn | Trying to post for advice about my recently broken N800 - http://i.imgur.com/bGHxr.jpg | 20:20 |
| javispedro | nick_fn: same for me, so contact a mod. | 20:21 |
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| javispedro | nick_fn: ah, it's archived. | 20:21 |
| javispedro | nick_fn: open a new one | 20:21 |
| javispedro | nick_fn: or find a more modern one | 20:21 |
| pupnik | sad nick_fn | 20:22 |
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| nick_fn | javispedro: how do you tell it's archived? It was last updated this mon... oh, feb 2009, not 2010.... | 20:22 |
| javispedro | nick_fn: it's on "Old" subforum | 20:22 |
| nick_fn | and it's in "old", I see... | 20:22 |
| javispedro | probably killed with some subforum reorg | 20:23 |
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| nick_fn | I might try http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=23775 then, although my screen isn't rolling | 20:23 |
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| nick_fn | it's more, shivering :) | 20:23 |
| nick_fn | pupnik: I'm very sad about it :( I think I won't be able to get a new LCD (if that's the problem) either... | 20:24 |
| pupnik | if you did not damage it, send it in for repair | 20:24 |
| javispedro | this reminds me.. | 20:24 |
| nick_fn | do they still repair them? | 20:24 |
| gouverneur | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9216 | 20:25 |
| povbot | Bug 9216: playlist management screwd at the point of removing items | 20:25 |
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| javispedro | what's the equivalent of an IMEI in NITs? the entire Nokia Care infrastructure seems to revolve around those. | 20:25 |
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| nick_fn | javispedro: this warranty checker seems to work of WLAN MAC too | 20:26 |
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| RST38h | javis: MAC | 20:27 |
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| * AntiXpucT brick n900 ;(( | 20:34 | |
| tybollt | hmm | 20:34 |
| RST38h | You mean, there won't be apocalypse now? | 20:34 |
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| tybollt | it seems the build quality of the N900 is at an all time low, surprising - even for nokia. | 20:34 |
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| tybollt | so korea made phones for the lose then | 20:35 |
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| corecode | this "my location" thing, does it use the gps all the time? | 20:35 |
| corecode | or does it infrequently update it? | 20:35 |
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| toggles_w | grr... can't dial #999#.. | 20:36 |
| cehteh | corecode: the widget? | 20:36 |
| corecode | no, the availabilty status in IM | 20:36 |
| cehteh | you can turn it on with the button on it | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | toggles: i think there's a thing in extras-* for that | 20:36 |
| toggles_w | ShadowJK: thanks, just checking google for the bug/fix.. | 20:37 |
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| ShadowJK | it was a bug in the spec ;) | 20:38 |
| sobczyk | why fennec wont install, I can't find it in manager, apt-cache shows it's there, but apt-get fails to install | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | "fails" | 20:38 |
| sobczyk | ShadowJK: "E: handler silently failed" | 20:39 |
| tybollt | argh | 20:39 |
| tybollt | tmo is literally full of people w/ the same nasty hardware fault. | 20:39 |
| tybollt | serious fucking design flaw or just underpaid workers not giving a damn? | 20:40 |
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| * tybollt guess it's pretty much half 'n half | 20:40 | |
| javispedro | tybollt: you talking about the usb plug one? | 20:40 |
| sobczyk | what design flaw? | 20:40 |
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| tybollt | javispedro: no the "sound comes and goes during phone calls" one, that is basically, the mic is somehow poorly connected w/ the base part of the phone | 20:41 |
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| tybollt | javispedro: but yeah, the USB port part adds to the impression there's both design flaw and implementation flaw | 20:42 |
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| tybollt | fuck damnit, this is a costly piece, get it right you finish basterds :) | 20:42 |
| * javispedro notes that I've yet to send my n810 to repair yet I had to do it with my n900 already | 20:42 | |
| tybollt | javispedro: uhuuuh, point in case bud | 20:42 |
| tybollt | javispedro: you had the usb micro problem then? | 20:43 |
| javispedro | I'm pointing that because I was going to say that anecdote+anecdote != data, but being a stakeholder here is pretty ironic =) | 20:43 |
| javispedro | no, broken/disconnected speaker | 20:43 |
| tybollt | anecdote? | 20:43 |
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| tybollt | mate, if you've a forum w/ literally hundreds (well) of people w/ the exact same problem as yourself... | 20:44 |
| sobczyk | does the flaws come out with time or were there from the beggining? | 20:44 |
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| tybollt | sobczyk: most people start experiencing the sound problem after about a month of use... o figure | 20:45 |
| tybollt | _a month of use_ how is that for a cell phone lifetime? | 20:45 |
| sobczyk | crap | 20:45 |
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| sobczyk | I will be for 4 month outside of eu and bought it week ago :( | 20:45 |
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| sobczyk | I just hope I'll be lucky | 20:46 |
| brik | I've had mine for 3 months and haven't had any problems so far, so no need to worry in advance | 20:46 |
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| javispedro | tybollt: the forum is actually full of people _without_ problems. it's just that those of us who have problems complain. | 20:49 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: happy birthday, BTW | 20:51 |
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| zaheerm | VDVsx, happy birthday! | 20:52 |
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| VDVsx | Jaffa, zaheerm thanks :) | 20:53 |
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| cjard | why are the forums full of topics like "how can I change the background colour of my sms" and "how can I change the startup video" I wonder.. I'm sure there are bigger problems to overcome with the N900 than these.. | 20:53 |
| zaheerm | cjard, signs of a mature enough platform for a lot of users | 20:55 |
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| cjard | perhaps.. didn't think of that | 20:55 |
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| b0unc3 | hey guys, there is any way to reload a statusbar plugin ? (from code) | 20:56 |
| cjard | Or the ignorance of the users.. | 20:56 |
| cjard | that their device is capable of some pretty major things | 20:56 |
| cjard | and could be more of a phone than every phone they ever had | 20:56 |
| gouverneur | brik: you didnt test it properly... | 20:57 |
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| gouverneur | its stuff you arent after normaly... but I am and I get to find the realy anoying stuff... | 20:58 |
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| corecode | really? sent mails are kept locally? | 21:08 |
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| corecode | and sent as html | 21:09 |
| corecode | oh god. | 21:09 |
| sobczyk | use IMAP | 21:09 |
| satmd | you can configure sending mails to txt | 21:09 |
| corecode | sobczyk: i AM using imap | 21:09 |
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| corecode | satmd: how? | 21:09 |
| satmd | uhm. somwhere along the settings in modest | 21:10 |
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| satmd | can't look for it right now | 21:10 |
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| satmd | main settings in modest | 21:11 |
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| corecode | ah | 21:11 |
| corecode | thanks | 21:11 |
| satmd | but I agree that sent mails should be stored on imap if available | 21:11 |
| gouverneur | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9217 | 21:11 |
| povbot | Bug 9217: ash is deprecated | 21:11 |
| gouverneur | pcfe: 9217 is for you! ;) | 21:12 |
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| sobczyk | it deletes the mails on server when using imap? | 21:13 |
| corecode | no | 21:14 |
| corecode | it doesn't store sent mails on imap | 21:14 |
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| pcfe | gouverneur: lol | 21:18 |
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| pcfe | but I use bash anyway ;-) | 21:18 |
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| antii | mhm, installed last.fm scrobbler via devel repo, how the h*ll can I start the app? :S | 21:29 |
| adeus | mafw? | 21:29 |
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| antii | adeus: ? | 21:31 |
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| adeus | the name of the app | 21:31 |
| adeus | or is there another | 21:31 |
| antii | thats the one | 21:31 |
| antii | how do I set it up? | 21:31 |
| adeus | settings has the configuration | 21:32 |
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| antii | thx! | 21:32 |
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| adeus | then I have to run mafw-lastm from a terminal, but I'm using some old git version | 21:33 |
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| antii | ah, thought it was on | 21:34 |
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| antii | adeus: wth, getting "BADTIME message failed, trying to send in 5 seconds." when I ran the mafw-lastfm command | 21:36 |
| adeus | no idea what that measn | 21:37 |
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| corecode | so what do i chose to run java applications? | 21:38 |
| luke-jr | you don't? | 21:38 |
| antii | adeus: ill try vagalume app instead | 21:38 |
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| gouverneur | pcfe: yes thats common sense... /bin/sh linked to dash and bash as frontface | 21:39 |
| gouverneur | WHAT the hell are these people doing? themes in system category? | 21:39 |
| RST38h | themes are all over the place nowadays | 21:39 |
| gouverneur | RST38h: yes I know, with a short glimps at the app-manager I go back to apt-cache... how stupid have you need be to put utilities into system cat? | 21:41 |
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| gouverneur | we need a guidline for what type of app is what cat in a yes-no-dia... | 21:42 |
| gouverneur | to tired to think of yet | 21:42 |
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| RST38h | Ahhahahaha: http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hacking/ | 21:51 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: do you have a moment (mbx issue)? | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:53 |
| gouverneur | RST38h: ouch | 21:54 |
| gouverneur | and again US gov strikes | 21:54 |
| RST38h | Itself in the foot, yes | 21:55 |
| gouverneur | I would vote for a global trade embargo for china.... | 21:55 |
| asj_ | RST38h: I wonder if it's true or he's just guessing | 21:55 |
| gouverneur | asj_: I would wonder if it isnt true | 21:56 |
| RST38h | asj: Well it is CNN. They probably wouldn't publish someone's guesswork, especially if it portrays the government in a bad light | 21:57 |
| gouverneur | wondering that CNN as highly censored by gov does publish it anyway | 21:57 |
| asj_ | RST38h: umm, heh oddly enough I would say exactly the opposite "since I'm CNN..." ;) It's not fox news of course... ;) | 21:57 |
| RST38h | asj: Let us put it this way: if you say on CNN that US government fucked up and it is found to be false, then being fired is gonna be your least ptoblem | 21:59 |
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| asj_ | RST38h: they say it all the time, just listen to one of their talking head shows | 22:01 |
| gouverneur | I want a button to bump .debs back to devel... instantly... awesome | 22:02 |
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| pablo2 | hi... I tried install xterm and this packages depends Xbitmaps, Xbitmaps doesn't exits...where i found this pack | 22:09 |
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| pupnik | pablo2: which OS? | 22:11 |
| pablo2 | pupnik, fremantle | 22:11 |
| pupnik | apt-cache policy osso-xterm | 22:12 |
| pupnik | you should have it already | 22:13 |
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| pablo2 | pupnik, thanks | 22:14 |
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| * javispedro 's opinion on the entire "great work done by Debian on ARM packages" is completely biased since nearly 0 of the packages cross build (see emdebian) and the other day I needed gplcver which I dutifully downloaded from Lenny and didn't even pass its own testsuite. | 22:17 | |
| javispedro | </rant> | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | i just dragged in the debian open sound control | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | then updated it from the non debian trunk | 22:20 |
| lcuk | reinsterted debian folder and bob was apparantly my uncle | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | i hope everyone with n900s is pinning themselves to the map | 22:23 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45094&page=9 | 22:23 |
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| andrewfblack | lcuk: I did !! | 22:24 |
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| Luser | looks like some other brities did too :) | 22:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Any thoughts about what config would cause xchat to be polling every second? | 22:25 |
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| * thresh just did too | 22:26 | |
| thresh | teh first one in russia | 22:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | chenca: where do i setup what gets notify events | 22:28 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 22:28 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: | 22:28 |
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| chenca | SpeedEvil: :-) | 22:29 |
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| * N900evil is playing with xchat. | 22:30 | |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: privchat and normal hilights | 22:30 |
| N900evil | And wishing for a working electric blanket. | 22:31 |
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| N900evil | cehteh, where do I setup details? I don't want it to fire on highlighted alters. | 22:32 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Ping | 22:32 |
| corecode | meh | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | pong, and i got nothing new :P | 22:32 |
| cehteh | see my notes on tmo | 22:32 |
| corecode | i'm not sure i get that whole ovi maps business | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | it's incredible how much time it takes packing an apartment into one room so the floors can get polished | 22:32 |
| pupnik | lcuk, the URL is http://pininthemap.com/maemo | 22:33 |
| corecode | i don't get streets in paris | 22:33 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: keep on harassing me about it, please :) | 22:34 |
| corecode | and google maps is horribly slow | 22:34 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Ok I'll leave you alone about it | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: nah, on the contrary :) | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | keep on reminding me so i get off my flat ass to do it | 22:35 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: lol ok | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, the url alone does not allow you to add your own | 22:39 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38927&highlight=xchat&page=4 | 22:39 |
| lcuk | you need the passphrase | 22:39 |
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| pupnik | ahh | 22:39 |
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| Cascade_ | http://www.getmepagerank.com/ - new programming forum - Join! | 22:39 |
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| * Stskeeps watches all his master's thesis notes burn in the furnance | 22:39 | |
| javispedro | :) | 22:40 |
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| Cascade_ | http://www.getmepagerank.com/ - new programming forum - Join! | 22:40 |
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| javispedro | new banlist item! spam! | 22:40 |
| acidjazz | ban | 22:40 |
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| * andrewfblack needs a pet programmer | 22:41 | |
| w00t | andrewfblack: pay peanuts - get monkeys! | 22:42 |
| fiferboy | andrewfblack: Is that a full-time paying job? | 22:42 |
| andrewfblack | fiferboy: part time paying job maybe | 22:42 |
| andrewfblack | well more like pay per application job | 22:42 |
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| andrewfblack | well you know 2 of my ideas, other is I want a simple app that will be like a setting app for my themes. That allows you to decide if you want to use custom icon set or not, allows you to pick if you want frame around icons on desktop or not a few things like that | 22:45 |
| Shapeshifter | My mobile price plan gets billed/reset every 17th of the month. Is there someway of making the data counter autoreset on a specific day of the month? | 22:46 |
| Shapeshifter | instead of having to manually reset it once a month? | 22:46 |
| Shapeshifter | (btw I didn't see crontab on the n900, but a dbus call and some monthly cronjob would do just fine I guess) | 22:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 22:47 |
| ZogG | wow | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | passphrase is shotgin | 22:47 |
| ZogG | is it only me or it's a bug http://i46.tinypic.com/2zpjrsh.jpg ? | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: thanks | 22:47 |
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| N900evil | gun | 22:48 |
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| fiferboy | Shapeshifter: There is a feature request for Personal Dataplan Monitor to do that but I haven't got much time right now | 22:49 |
| ZogG | >? | 22:50 |
| Shapeshifter | fiferboy: mhh, but I guess it's possible through dbus? I can't really find accumulated dbus info for maemo. and dfeet isn't really working. Any clues how to find out dbus paths the quickest way? | 22:50 |
| fiferboy | Shapeshifter: It is actually done through gconf, but you need to set two fields (data field and reset date) | 22:51 |
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| fiferboy | Could be done through a script triggered by chron | 22:51 |
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| Shapeshifter | fiferboy: ahh. okay. I'll look into it. | 22:52 |
| Shapeshifter | fiferboy: chron? or cron? | 22:52 |
| fiferboy | Shapeshifter: Whichever one works :) I think you are right though. cron looks correct (but haven't checked to see if it is available for N900) | 22:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | yeah I think it's somewhat missing. upon googling I see there's supposed to be some "alarmd" on the n900 for stuff like this. looking into it. | 22:53 |
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| ZogG | Shapeshifter, russkie has some sort of cron for n900 | 22:59 |
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| ZogG | fcron_3.0.1-2_armel_opt.deb | 23:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | ZogG: thanks. I'm currently trying "ses", some sort of Qt gui around alarmd. | 23:01 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. looks nice (only does portrait mode >.>) but only works for weekly schedules | 23:02 |
| Shapeshifter | http://knownokia.ca/2010/02/02/automagic-profile-switching-for-the-n900/ | 23:02 |
| Shapeshifter | can do profile switching. | 23:02 |
| Shapeshifter | nah this is only for profile switching actually. I'll try fcron. | 23:04 |
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| jacekowski | i need laptop with proper irda port to create remotes for qtirreco? | 23:05 |
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| ZogG | Shapeshifter do you have his repo? there is in his user page on maemo.org | 23:08 |
| ZogG | and still - anyone can explaine me if this is a bug http://i46.tinypic.com/2zpjrsh.jpg ? | 23:08 |
| Shapeshifter | ZogG: mh, I think I'll actually look into alarmd nevertheless. It's already on the device and apparently that's what should be used. Pretty daft. Except the dbus connection, I don't see any upside in this alarmd thing and why they made it. | 23:09 |
| Shapeshifter | ZogG: well it certainly doesn't look like a feature ;) | 23:10 |
| ZogG | рььь | 23:10 |
| ZogG | hmm | 23:10 |
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| ZogG | today i got portrait mode of desktop after phone talk (known bug) as well | 23:10 |
| Shapeshifter | and everything is written in C and supposed to be written for in C. why so complicated. | 23:11 |
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| pupnik | glur bler | 23:13 |
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| jekoee | Guys im testing my webcam, can you see me? http://tinyurl.com/game2go | 23:17 |
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| t-tan | jekoee: what an ugly spammer face... :) | 23:18 |
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| fnordianslip | does the new xchat build work with alerts? | 23:19 |
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| pta0007 | hello, everyone. I hope you could remember me and my problem. | 23:36 |
| pta0007 | I fixed my first problem | 23:36 |
| pta0007 | But the problem now is everytime I run the app, the window just opened and then disappeared immediately. It seems that in main(), the pipeline could be initialized through "initialize_pipeline(&appdata, &argc, &argv)", since no "Failed to initialize ..." appeared again. However, I think the initialize_pipeline also made the window to shut down, cause I found that if I delete "initialize_pipeline" part in main() function, everything | 23:36 |
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| pta0007 | Of course, the window is black without the camera. | 23:37 |
| pta0007 | So what is the problem now? | 23:37 |
| pta0007 | who can help me? | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | you don't have something else open reading hte camera? | 23:37 |
| pta0007 | i dont think so, cause I run the program from the desk | 23:38 |
| pta0007 | nothing is runing on the device | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 23:39 |
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| juhovh | apparently www.xmms2.org has its own wiki? | 23:40 |
| red | pta0007: camera lid open? ;) | 23:40 |
| pta0007 | yES | 23:40 |
| juhovh | hmh, what channel am I writing to | 23:40 |
| juhovh | ignore that | 23:40 |
| red | juhovh: now I have to check that url, damn you | 23:41 |
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| pta0007 | is there any difference to keep the lid open or not? | 23:41 |
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| pta0007 | the app window just disappeared no matter whether I open or close the cam lid | 23:41 |
| red | if I try to open the camera app lid closed, it won't | 23:41 |
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| red | so just thought to ask | 23:42 |
| juhovh | red: nothing there, that's what I was planning to ask :P | 23:42 |
| red | i got tricked into nothing | 23:42 |
| red | *g* | 23:42 |
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| pta0007 | I got a question now. how to figure out which app is running on the device now? | 23:44 |
| lcuk | ps | 23:44 |
| lcuk | top | 23:44 |
| red | pta0007: ps -A | more | 23:45 |
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| pta0007 | i got /sbin/init, [kthreadd],[ssoftirqd/0],[events/0],[khelper],[]kblocked/0],[cqueue],[twl4030-irqchip],[twl4030-irq],[omap2_mcspi] | 23:50 |
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| pta0007 | is this normal | 23:51 |
| Arif_ | .me blýnks | 23:59 |
| * Arif_ blinks | 23:59 | |
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