| Arif_ | Why must you Brits do everything different and have your own firmware ! :P | 00:00 |
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| ponyofdeath | hi, how can I access the ALT key to change channels in irssi on the nokia n900 the blue alt key doesnt seem to work | 00:00 |
| N900evil | Arif_, not bothered me that much. More important stuff to do. | 00:00 |
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| N900evil | ponyofdeath, use shift-numbers | 00:00 |
| Arif_ | but now you're missing out on the 4 bugs that were fixed ;( | 00:01 |
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| ponyofdeath | N900evil: that just gives me cap W | 00:02 |
| N900evil | Http://www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf | 00:02 |
| N900evil | drop in .xchat2 | 00:02 |
| ponyofdeath | im using irssi | 00:02 |
| N900evil | oh | 00:02 |
| ponyofdeath | which is ALT + 1,2,3,4 to change between channels | 00:03 |
| TomaszD | frals, looking through it but nothing stands out, any highlights? | 00:03 |
| N900evil | dunno. misread, sorrt. | 00:03 |
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| ponyofdeath | N900evil: no prob thanks anyway | 00:03 |
| frals | TomaszD: i have no idea, just throwing it out there :) | 00:03 |
| N900evil | F7 and F8 are the zoom buttons | 00:03 |
| N900evil | oh | 00:03 |
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| N900evil | xterm eats those. | 00:04 |
| mgedmin | ponyofdeath, alt+something in xterm is the same as esc followed by something | 00:04 |
| mgedmin | (where something is a letter or a number) | 00:04 |
| mgedmin | so press esc, then 1/2/3/4 | 00:04 |
| mgedmin | I believe xterm has esc on the toolbar | 00:04 |
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| ponyofdeath | mgedmin: thanks | 00:05 |
| ponyofdeath | mgedmin: cool will try | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N900evil: a veritable ALT key would be great anyway | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N900evil: e.g. for ALT-. | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ALT-S for mc | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | on N810 I tried to add ALT to the toolbar, but epic fail | 00:07 |
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| ShadowJK | it doesn't work with esc? | 00:08 |
| frals | talking about osso-xterm? | 00:08 |
| frals | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=386724&postcount=8 | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: with mc some functions may | 00:08 |
| jebba | heh. My karma is going down ;) | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: e.g ESC-<number> instead of Fn-key | 00:09 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: bugzilla one seemed to give less credit now | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | (which is odd) | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | then again i didn't follow the discussions | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ESC-. on cmdline (for <last argument>) doesn't work though. Maybe that's crappybox's fault | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ...or a mere missing keymapping | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, a real ALT key was fine to have | 00:12 |
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| Arif_ | ask for an enhancement in bugzilla! | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a generic way to specify qualifier keys on toolbar of xterm | 00:13 |
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| Flyser | does anyone know what the n900 wants to tell me, when the LED is constantly on (yellowish/white), while its turned off and plugged into my computer? | 00:13 |
| Flyser | its not possible to turn it on ... | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | charging? | 00:13 |
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| V13 | Any idea on what "'Live background' enabler based on Jarmo Nikula's first prototype" in hildon-desktop's ChangeLog is ? | 00:14 |
| frals | ive heard its pretty damn cool | 00:14 |
| Flyser | DocScrutinizer: I thought a blinking led would be charging? | 00:14 |
| V13 | frals: is it really "live backgrounds" for desktop ? | 00:15 |
| Flyser | nvm. it just turned itself on | 00:15 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 00:15 |
| frals | sounds like it | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Flyser: yep, right | 00:15 |
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| Arif_ | I found the LED pattern settings | 00:15 |
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| Arif_ | but it looks like gibberish :D | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: nah, that's *real* hacking :-P | 00:16 |
| Arif_ | I see a lot of zeros | 00:16 |
| Arif_ | and some letters ;( | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns#Low_Level | 00:17 |
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| * Arif_ goes to decyfer that | 00:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | not a comprehensive doc about how to manage the LP5523 | 00:17 |
| Arif_ | I just want the missed event LED to be more frequent | 00:18 |
| Arif_ | :P | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | but sufficient to understand mce.ini | 00:18 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: ya, i've gone up 11 points since december ;) anyway, it doesn't really matter to me, just funny that it's going down and all that i've done isn't giving me karma ;) | 00:19 |
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| Stskeeps | they changed the method of karma calculation so | 00:19 |
| Corsac | btw aren't apps upload providing karma? | 00:19 |
| Corsac | or maybe not to -devel? | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: change the last 7108 sequence to something shorter like 7102 | 00:20 |
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| hume | hi....I just upgraded from N800 to N900, can I ask a somewhat stuipd question here? what is the password for the user? I'm trying to ssh in to it | 00:21 |
| * Arif_ is playing around with the file hoping he won't break it =} | 00:21 | |
| ShadowJK | no password | 00:21 |
| midas | Arif_: backups boy. backups ;) | 00:21 |
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| Arif_ | if I break it backups won't save me :P | 00:22 |
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| Arif_ | I can't reflash it either on Win7 x64 :( | 00:22 |
| V13 | arif: you're aware of that : http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns right? | 00:22 |
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| Arif_ | yea I'm reading that | 00:22 |
| hume | ShadowJK, but when I try to ssh to it, and do not give a password, it is not accepted....? | 00:23 |
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| Mece | hume, root, passwd user | 00:23 |
| Arif_ | you need to install SSH server/client | 00:23 |
| Arif_ | then you can set a password :O | 00:24 |
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| hume | Mece, right, thx | 00:24 |
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| wolf^ | hume, it can either have no password, but ssh is configured to require password, or the password login be entirely disabled for the account | 00:24 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:24 |
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| Justus | hi | 00:25 |
| V13 | you can also set-up public-key authentication | 00:25 |
| hume | now it works...great..:) | 00:25 |
| V13 | which is secure and easy | 00:25 |
| autoguy | Are you specifying the user name to ssh, otherwise you'll login using whatever user you are on the host | 00:25 |
| autoguy | ok good | 00:25 |
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| wolf^ | yeah, go for key auth | 00:25 |
| autoguy | definately key auth | 00:25 |
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| autoguy | ssh-agent on the host, script that adds the key if not there already = type pwd once | 00:26 |
| jebba | Corsac: i think just when your package hits extras, but not extras-devel. More for a post to talk.m.o than packaging something... ;) | 00:26 |
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| Justus | has anyone here tried to stream videos from a computer via VLC to a N900? I can't try it out just yet, but I'd need to rely on it in a few days | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | autoguy: huh? ouch | 00:28 |
| Justus | what is the quality and are there traps to avoid? | 00:28 |
| autoguy | explain | 00:28 |
| Corsac | jebba: ok :) | 00:28 |
| autoguy | Justus: I'd be interested in that. | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | autoguy: I use scp to copy ~pc/.ssh/rsa-key.pub -> user@n900/.ssh/authorized_keys | 00:29 |
| cehteh | autoguy: there is pam_ssh .. but i dont know if you can hook ssh somewhere into the device | 00:29 |
| autoguy | DocScrutinizer: yes that is done | 00:29 |
| autoguy | but then on the host I have one script to run, it starts up ssh-agent (if not running) adds the key (if not there) which will prompt for the passphrase, that's all I'm saying | 00:30 |
| autoguy | host = your computer, that you log into n900 from | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh-agent? never heard of it | 00:31 |
| autoguy | nothing advanced really, maybe I explained it strangely | 00:31 |
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| autoguy | It holds your key in memory basically so you don't have to load it (although the default key location is automatically loaded) but with ssh-agent you write the passphrase once | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uh, I don't need passphrases for my private keys. Hey they're private ;-P | 00:32 |
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| autoguy | well then you're OK :) | 00:33 |
| satmd | ssh-copy-id @ DocScrutinizer ... does exactly what your scp does... but better (append, no overwrite) | 00:33 |
| autoguy | I like scripting stuff :-) | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | satmd: lol & smile | 00:33 |
| satmd | ;) | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | satmd: of course I know how to handle append | 00:34 |
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| satmd | DocScrutinizer: still ... wanted to save you some time :P | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks :-D | 00:34 |
| autoguy | I've got another script that starts up the VNC server on the N900 and then the vnc client on the host. one-click remote screen is nice | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | vnc, wow | 00:35 |
| * SpeedEvil bound an unused laptop key to do ssh phone bing | 00:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | So I have one-key page. | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | For when I lose it. | 00:36 |
| * Arif_ throws rightclick at the vnc viewer creator | 00:36 | |
| autoguy | the phone can be lying on the bedstand charging or whatever, no touching the phone needed | 00:36 |
| autoguy | ssh opens it all up | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I *did not* lose ssh connection to N900 even while I was out for dinner. came back and ssh-login still alive and happy ;-D | 00:36 |
| autoguy | Then your timeout is too long :) | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeout *always* too short | 00:37 |
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| autoguy | Just kidding I haven't had it time out on me either | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | autoguy: though the really amazing thing was I took the N900with me, so it left WLAN area for hours. Just in case I missed to make clear | 00:39 |
| midas | okay! | 00:39 |
| midas | its charging | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh :-)) | 00:39 |
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| midas | just asked some electronic wizzkids | 00:41 |
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| midas | they told me it was okay to charge liion. but dont charge lipo's like that | 00:41 |
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| Proteous | DON"T CHARGE THE LION! | 00:42 |
| satmd | :D | 00:42 |
| midas | imma charging mah liion! | 00:42 |
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| mavhc | unless you're a rh-ino | 00:42 |
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| midas | hey! | 00:43 |
| midas | you | 00:43 |
| midas | mavhc: go back to efnet. | 00:43 |
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| AntiXpucT | did anyone use zsh on maemo5? (and, by the way, which irc client you can recommend?) | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | midas: so I gather you weren't able to stop the N900 cuycling boot to make it charge your bat? | 00:44 |
| midas | DocScrutinizer: correct | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-(( | 00:44 |
| midas | so now im charging it in a e71 :P | 00:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels like deja-vu nightmare of GTA02-A5 times | 00:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | though this time it's not me to take the blame :-P | 00:45 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 00:45 |
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| Proteous | irssi vi ssh and screen | 00:50 |
| Proteous | FTW and all that | 00:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if bat is charged despite boot cycling, or whether 50-reboot-fuckup will hit quite rapidly | 00:50 | |
| midas | DocScrutinizer: i checked the charge on the battery, it was flat | 00:50 |
| midas | half bar according to my e71 | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, that seems to indicate it sees not much charging during borked boot then | 00:51 |
| Proteous | anyone want to buy my external n900 battery charger? | 00:51 |
| Proteous | it doubles as a nokia n97 | 00:51 |
| midas | haha :P | 00:51 |
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| jacekowski | what does orange LED means? | 00:52 |
| autoguy | That reminds me I was going online to buy an extra batt and a table charger | 00:52 |
| autoguy | How expensive is that "n97" charger you speak about? :) | 00:52 |
| * SpeedEvil has tables that don't need charging. | 00:52 | |
| autoguy | Well this is a 2x2m multitouch table, so there | 00:53 |
| lcuk | my table doesnt need charging either | 00:53 |
| autoguy | battery powered of course | 00:53 |
| lcuk | gets wiped occasionally | 00:53 |
| autoguy | Uses a BL-5J battery | 00:53 |
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| jacekowski | autoguy: it's same charger as for n900 | 00:54 |
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| midas | jacekowski: constand on or pulsing? | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | autoguy: iphone charger costs £20 so nokia charger probably half of it | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | midas: pulsing | 00:54 |
| midas | charging | 00:54 |
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| autoguy | I've found a good place already, just need to place the order. | 00:54 |
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| Proteous | I can't compete price wise with other standalone chargers, sorry :P | 00:56 |
| autoguy | Does the n97 really use a BL-5J? Thought it was only the 5800 | 00:56 |
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| Proteous | BP-4L | 00:56 |
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| Proteous | 1500mAh | 00:57 |
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| autoguy | so it's a charger for the wrong battery type | 00:57 |
| autoguy | :) | 00:57 |
| midas | Proteous / autoguy it can charge it | 00:57 |
| Proteous | details details | 00:57 |
| midas | as it is doing for me ;) | 00:57 |
| midas | but dont do it the other way around | 00:57 |
| midas | e71 has the same battery | 00:57 |
| midas | bp-4l | 00:57 |
| Proteous | it would probably work just fine | 00:57 |
| midas | well, the bp4l is a li-polymer battery | 00:58 |
| midas | whereas the bl-5j is a li-ion | 00:58 |
| midas | li-poly tend to explode in a fireball | 00:58 |
| midas | li-ion doesnt | 00:58 |
| midas | so it's a bit saver to charge a liion ;) | 00:58 |
| midas | and autoguy for your info, the 5230, 5800, x6 and n900 share the same battery | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Proteous: midas : this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers and this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#Alien_Charging_of_Battery and this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Can.27t_boot_with_discharged_or_missing_battery_.28FIXED.29 is for free :-) | 00:59 |
| Justus | wow | 00:59 |
| Justus | I just wonder if the developers of VLC made that streaming interface that crappy on purpose or by accident | 01:00 |
| Justus | either way it's damn well impressive how they could screw it up quite that hard X_x | 01:00 |
| midas | DocScrutinizer: but you can charge nokia batteries in nokia phones, even if they dont match ;) | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | midas: depends | 01:01 |
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| cehteh | you can get some initial charge with some wires on dumb batteries, the problem is rather finding the end for the charge which can destroy the battery if you do that wrong | 01:04 |
| cehteh | (smart batteries protect against such attempts) | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | I wouldn't do wires on lithium batteries | 01:04 |
| midas | cehteh: no you cant ;) | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | (and the nokia batteries are pretty dumb) | 01:04 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: if you really want to so that is another question | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | Li-Ion just explodes in slightly less violent fireballs :D | 01:05 |
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| cehteh | you need current and voltage regulation of course .. and stay close and watch it | 01:05 |
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| Proteous | http://www.flickr.com/photos/63684846@N00/4169413651/in/photostream/ | 01:05 |
| cehteh | just for ressurecting a dead battery it might help you do not want to do that regulary | 01:05 |
| jaska | (behind a suitably thick plexiglass) | 01:05 |
| cehteh | haha | 01:05 |
| midas | cehteh: do it, with a lipo battery :P | 01:06 |
| midas | they explode nicely | 01:06 |
| cehteh | batteries dont explode out of nothing, they get at least warm before | 01:06 |
| midas | cehteh: a lipo doenst need to get hot | 01:06 |
| jaska | iirc, it was the other way around, li-ion being the more boomgenetic? | 01:06 |
| Proteous | http://www.fandanta.org/mike/battery.jpg | 01:07 |
| cehteh | well i dont do that anyeays | 01:07 |
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| midas | the polymer reacts with the litium, wich has a nice effect | 01:07 |
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| cehteh | Proteous: your new n900 battery? :) | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps | the people afraid of ARM saboteurism really scares me | 01:07 |
| Proteous | the battery tray out of a APC SmartUPS1000 | 01:07 |
| Proteous | had to cut the case apart a bit to extract them since they were so swollen | 01:08 |
| cehteh | well that a lead/acid batteries | 01:08 |
| Proteous | yes | 01:08 |
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| Proteous | just thought it was slightly relevant to the conversation :P | 01:08 |
| Stskeeps | (as in thinking MeeGo is a plot to take down ARM) | 01:08 |
| midas | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ0SNESIkWk | 01:08 |
| cehteh | midas: i saied voltage and current contol and for the initial kick out of death, not even close to full charge it :P | 01:09 |
| midas | hehe :P | 01:09 |
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| midas | haha! | 01:11 |
| midas | it worked! | 01:11 |
| midas | its flashing it now | 01:11 |
| Proteous | what worked | 01:11 |
| midas | the charge | 01:12 |
| Proteous | charging it while it was in a reboot loop to get enough charge to reflash it? | 01:12 |
| midas | no | 01:12 |
| midas | charging the battery in a different phone | 01:12 |
| Proteous | ah | 01:12 |
| cehteh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0jDFTldGHY | 01:13 |
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| Proteous | that was a gas moter :P | 01:14 |
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| Proteous | still nice though | 01:14 |
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| toggles_w | some funnly related links on there too | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the dangers of rude charging LiIon/LiPo are largerly overestimated. *ALL* batteries have a thermistor-based fuse nad overtemp protection. So on an _empty_ battery it's reaonably safe to use an old 3mm barreljack Nokia charger that says something like 600mA@4.8V and simply connect + to plus and - to minus on the battery | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | **for max 15minutes, under close surveillance** | 01:19 |
| cehteh | .. just dont do that for 12 hours and leave the house | 01:19 |
| cehteh | :) | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, exactly | 01:19 |
| cehteh | thats exactly what i wanted to say with '2 wires' | 01:19 |
| cehteh | well i wonder what happens when you reverse polarity :P | 01:20 |
| satmd | then you short the line and your charger shortcuts | 01:20 |
| * satmd guesses | 01:20 | |
| cehteh | maybe batteries have protection diodes | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhaha | 01:21 |
| cehteh | really dont know | 01:21 |
| cehteh | well it would cost 3 cent ... forget it :) | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: it's impossible | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: protect the battery from discharging? o.O | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure you *can* do this :-P | 01:23 |
| cehteh | uhm .. parallel to the battery in reverse direction, blowing the fuse .. but yes wont work either | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | There are protection circuits that go on the top of 18500 cells that protect against overdischarge too :) | 01:23 |
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| cehteh | or .. might work *thinking* | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | smart bats always have such protective circuit | 01:24 |
| cehteh | smart batts have a triac or mosfet and only turn power on when properly handshaked | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah but the guy who came up with the idea of taking a 18500 cell and putting that circuit on top and shrinkwrapping it was a genius :D | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | they have mosfet, but it's not enebled by handshake usually | 01:25 |
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| autoguy | Justus: Any progress on the video streaming? | 01:31 |
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| * lcuk ponders peeling back the layers of gtk just for the hell of it | 01:34 | |
| * Arif_ wants an update to worldtv99 | 01:34 | |
| Justus | besides that I'm so royally pi**ed off right now I'm seriously considering eating my own keyboard, no | 01:35 |
| Arif_ | doesn't sound very tasteful | 01:36 |
| autoguy | Definately distasteful to eat your keyboard | 01:37 |
| Arif_ | you wouldn't be able to type anymore either! | 01:37 |
| Justus | there is so much crap lying around it's hard to distinguish the useful page hits from the total crap | 01:37 |
| lcuk | his mummy told him to eat all his p's | 01:37 |
| lcuk | Justus, whats up | 01:38 |
| Justus | there are about 50k results for broadcasting to N900, and not one of them seems to actually be about broadcasting TO the N900 | 01:38 |
| Justus | all are about broadcasting FROM to N900 to QiK | 01:38 |
| Arif_ | have you tried installing Orb :p | 01:38 |
| Arif_ | or any UPnP server for that matter | 01:39 |
| Justus | if you heard the noise | 01:39 |
| Justus | that was my head | 01:39 |
| Justus | banging against the table | 01:39 |
| Justus | repeatedly | 01:39 |
| Arif_ | lol | 01:39 |
| lcuk | just do it again, i had my music on | 01:39 |
| Arif_ | hell even Windows Craptastic Player does it | 01:39 |
| lcuk | ill tell you if i can hear it | 01:39 |
| Arif_ | oh DVBViewer does it too if you bought that....:P | 01:40 |
| Arif_ | mobile TV wherever you are \o/ | 01:40 |
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| Justus | you know, the really bad thing about this is, that I actually had this all preplanned | 01:42 |
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| Justus | and then list the urls... | 01:42 |
| Arif_ | lol | 01:42 |
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| Justus | lost I mean | 01:43 |
| Arif_ | so...you're installing orb? | 01:43 |
| Justus | right now | 01:43 |
| Justus | iirc the n900 media player should work with it, right? | 01:44 |
| Arif_ | yes | 01:44 |
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| Arif_ | your pc name will appear at the bottom left | 01:44 |
| Arif_ | when connected to WLAN | 01:44 |
| Justus | does it work with adhoc wlan connections? | 01:44 |
| Arif_ | no ýdea | 01:45 |
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| Arif_ | mine's infra :p | 01:45 |
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| Justus | lol | 01:47 |
| Justus | "your computer performance might decrease streaming performance" | 01:47 |
| Arif_ | z0mg | 01:48 |
| Arif_ | RLY? | 01:48 |
| Justus | no really? I thought a netbook could decode 1080p videos on the fly ^^ | 01:48 |
| Arif_ | meh | 01:48 |
| Arif_ | my PC uses %50 CPU when streaming my tv card | 01:48 |
| Arif_ | :p | 01:48 |
| * LuciusMare_n900 adds his to the local "Did yaa know dat?" | 01:48 | |
| Arif_ | x) | 01:48 |
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| Arif_ | I'm really loving this mini playlist when tapping the album art :P | 01:49 |
| Justus | I found the idea of streaming via VLC/rtsp to the N900 slightly more appealing, but after all upnp is designed for exactly this | 01:49 |
| shamus | has not tuched upnp | 01:49 |
| Arif_ | I use VLC for live TV streaming ... | 01:50 |
| Arif_ | because I have no choice :P | 01:50 |
| tybollt | me? I use pr0n for live streaming | 01:50 |
| Justus | hm | 01:50 |
| LuciusMare | And, i forgot my n900 to component cable at home - is there a chance that i can make one with common household objects? | 01:50 |
| tybollt | oh wait | 01:50 |
| Justus | I couldn't get a vlc stream up | 01:50 |
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| Justus | that actually made up for 75% of my annoyance | 01:50 |
| Arif_ | apart from the VERY long buffer time in KMPlayer it plays fine | 01:51 |
| tybollt | Justus: how could you not? Hell it's as easy as it gets | 01:51 |
| tybollt | setting up vlc streams is a matter of GUI + click click click | 01:51 |
| Arif_ | and the speakers being craptastic | 01:51 |
| Justus | I find ways to complicate everything ;) | 01:51 |
| * Arif_ gives Justus the task of porting Meego to the N900 :P | 01:51 | |
| shamus | what gets complicated is networking | 01:51 |
| midas | oh i really missed my n900 | 01:52 |
| Arif_ | you did? | 01:52 |
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| midas | yes | 01:52 |
| midas | i fixed her :p | 01:53 |
| LinuxCode | her ? | 01:53 |
| Arif_ | that sounds more interesting than the N900... | 01:53 |
| LinuxCode | ...it! | 01:53 |
| Arif_ | or midas has weird fantasies o.O | 01:53 |
| Justus | tybollt: well I want a on demand stream, and couldn't get it running, after that I'd have settled for ANY stream, but I honestly don't know what to put into the adress field ;) | 01:53 |
| midas | hahha :P | 01:53 |
| autoguy | my precious... | 01:53 |
| autoguy | Justus: so no luck so far? | 01:54 |
| * Arif_ demands the next Nxxx phone has usable speakers... | 01:54 | |
| autoguy | To be honest I've tried it between *computers* and given up in frustration | 01:54 |
| autoguy | VLC is advanced but hard | 01:55 |
| Justus | atm I'm setting up ORB | 01:55 |
| Arif_ | I have a frontend for VLC that does everything :D | 01:55 |
| autoguy | Arif_: frontend running on a pc? | 01:55 |
| Arif_ | yes | 01:56 |
| autoguy | linux? | 01:56 |
| Arif_ | web ui for DVBViewer :P | 01:56 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 01:56 |
| Arif_ | I remembered | 01:56 |
| Arif_ | you can also use Winamp Remote :O | 01:56 |
| autoguy | And that's the encoding/sending side, not the receiving? Just trying to understand your setup | 01:56 |
| Justus | YAY | 01:56 |
| Justus | it works | 01:56 |
| Arif_ | Yes | 01:56 |
| Justus | Arif_: you're my savior | 01:57 |
| Arif_ | you select a channel+codec+stream method | 01:57 |
| Arif_ | and then start it in KMPlayer :P | 01:57 |
| Arif_ | Justus, yay :P | 01:57 |
| Arif_ | now you can watch pr0n in the whole house! | 01:57 |
| cehteh | Arif_: a subwoover pluginable into the headphone jack would already suffice | 01:58 |
| Justus | well SG:A in the whole house | 01:59 |
| Justus | but the general direction was right ;) | 01:59 |
| Arif_ | ew | 01:59 |
| Arif_ | stargate | 01:59 |
| Justus | for some folks out there SG:A and pr0n don't have that much of a difference ^^ | 01:59 |
| autoguy | Hold on I'm not following. (maybe cause I'm trying to follow #meego too). What's the setup now Justus? Orb on a PC, then what player in the N900? | 01:59 |
| Justus | standard player | 01:59 |
| autoguy | And you open a local net address, URL and it just works | 02:00 |
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| Justus | I just open the media player | 02:00 |
| Justus | in a normal wlan/lan there will be a small symbol on the bottom left | 02:00 |
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| autoguy | Aha, that's DLNA / upnp causing a server to be noticed automatically? | 02:01 |
| Justus | yup | 02:01 |
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| Justus | and atm I'm trying to get it working with adhoc wlan | 02:01 |
| autoguy | thanks I understand now. Any specific encoding settings on the server Orb side | 02:02 |
| Justus | nope | 02:02 |
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| Justus | by all means it's just press install, wait, use | 02:02 |
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| tgalal | does anybody know where the default contacts avatar can be found? I want to use it in my app | 02:03 |
| Arif_ | you can't set any encoding settings in Orb as far as I know... | 02:03 |
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| orangey | hello all! | 02:05 |
| Arif_ | ohai | 02:05 |
| orangey | I'm having a persistent problem on my n900 that I basically can never send documents via bluetooth | 02:05 |
| orangey | with computers, I don't see them. With other phones, it just says "connection failed" after I pair with them | 02:06 |
| orangey | aha! finally found a relevant thread on tmo | 02:06 |
| orangey | nope. unhelpful. | 02:07 |
| Justus | is it possible ORB needs an active internetconnection? | 02:07 |
| Justus | needs as in "won't work without one" | 02:07 |
| orangey | what's ORB? | 02:07 |
| Justus | sry that was about another problem earlier on ;) | 02:07 |
| Justus | the server doesn't show up in the location | 02:08 |
| Arif_ | orangey, Petrovich doesn't send? :o | 02:08 |
| Justus | hum, I think I'll solve that by just taking my freaking wlan access point with me, I'm done with experiments ^^ | 02:08 |
| Arif_ | Justus, I guess it only needs to be connected to lan ? :P | 02:08 |
| Justus | well, as I said, there is an active adhoc WLan | 02:09 |
| orangey | Arif_: if I don't pair, it doesn't see. if I do pair, it says connection failed | 02:09 |
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| orangey | as for to computers, it just doesn't see them regardless | 02:09 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 02:09 |
| Arif_ | can't help you there ={ | 02:09 |
| Arif_ | remove all pairs and try again? =o | 02:10 |
| orangey | Arif_: done : ) | 02:11 |
| Justus | well I wish you all a good night | 02:11 |
| orangey | hmm. irritating problem. | 02:11 |
| * Arif_ is getting sleepy too | 02:11 | |
| Justus | bye, and thanks for your help | 02:11 |
| Justus | at least I can watch my favourite show on the normal TV ;) | 02:11 |
| Arif_ | heh | 02:11 |
| Arif_ | stargate and normal... | 02:12 |
| Justus | well the TV is normal anyways ;) | 02:12 |
| Justus | n8 | 02:12 |
| Arif_ | bb | 02:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: explosions? burglars? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | olympic games ?? | 02:30 |
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| pupnik | ? | 02:31 |
| pupnik | nah am recovering from head wound | 02:32 |
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| midas | the new update is pritty big for maemo | 02:32 |
| midas | or atleast its taking its time | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, what did you do now? | 02:33 |
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| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: had a bad fall. lost ability to read/talk | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, snow? | 02:35 |
| pupnik | i appreciate being able to see #maemo again :) | 02:35 |
| pupnik | yes | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ouch | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, you go to the hospital? | 02:36 |
| jacekowski | pupnik: what have you done? | 02:36 |
| pupnik | yeah in neuroclinic | 02:37 |
| pupnik | got the scan in the cool machine | 02:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Head injuries aint no joke. | 02:37 |
| pupnik | scared me good | 02:37 |
| pupnik | losing speech | 02:37 |
| pupnik | still hard to focus | 02:38 |
| tybollt | awww | 02:38 |
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| * tybollt gives pupnik a pink pony | 02:38 | |
| jacekowski | pupnik: so, what and how you did it? | 02:38 |
| pupnik | come on over tybollt | 02:40 |
| pupnik | i'm bored | 02:40 |
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| monoceros | Hi all! I opened an italian site entirely dedicated to Meego ... meegoit.com :D It arises from a rib of maemoIT.org :D | 02:50 |
| autoguy | buona fortuna with that | 02:50 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: what are some of your more preferred news aggregators for when t.m.o. is too much? | 02:51 |
| monoceros | autoguy: thank you ! | 02:51 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, maemo weekly news | 02:56 |
| lcuk | url is somewhere | 02:56 |
| lcuk | its none obvious cos theres an extra letter in it | 02:56 |
| lcuk | (like non lol) | 02:56 |
| autoguy | http://mwkn.net/ | 02:57 |
| lcuk | mwkn.com | 02:57 |
| lcuk | stupid k | 02:57 |
| lcuk | lol net too | 02:57 |
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| lcuk | mcnees walla & nurick llc | 02:57 |
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| pupnik | looks like qt plus madde is worthy of a workshop | 02:58 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 02:59 |
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| lcuk | theres also a qt dev competition as well | 02:59 |
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| pupnik | "I’m completely stunned by how easy and obvious things are after sitting down with a bunch of great designers." yeah so true | 03:02 |
| cjard | hey | 03:04 |
| cjard | I have perhaps a bit of a dumb Q about maemo, but here goes.. | 03:05 |
| cjard | Shortly after buying my N900 I was a little disappointed that it didnt really have portrait mode texting | 03:06 |
| cjard | in particular I was expecting it to have a 3x4 button pad and predictive text (T9 style) | 03:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | funny idea | 03:07 |
| cjard | I'm wondering how such a thing would be added? Are some parts of this device Nokia only | 03:07 |
| cjard | i.e. the on screen keyboard - is it part of maemo that we can see the source of/implement our own | 03:07 |
| cjard | or are there some parts that are not available? | 03:08 |
| cjard | does a 3x4 text entry device not exist simply because anyone who would buy a N900 with the intention of developing for it have no use of such a panel? | 03:08 |
| cjard | (i.e. they weren't expecting it to behave as a phone) | 03:09 |
| cjard | or can it not be developed because it's in the "too hard bin" for the community and nokia would have to be the ones to provide it? | 03:09 |
| pta0007 | hi, guys, I am writing a camera program on n900, using example_camera.c from maemo examples, which employs gtk+. The problem is I can compile the program correctly, but when I tried to run it on device, it just showed "Failed to initialize pipeline" | 03:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cjard: dialer has 3*4 keypad and portrait | 03:10 |
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| lcuk | cjard, thats a reasonable question put well, im not sure if anything is happening, but it might be an idea to search tmo and see what has been said already | 03:10 |
| pta0007 | i am using vl4l2src for VIDEO_SRC and xvimagesink for VIDEO_SINK | 03:10 |
| autoguy | cjard: There's a brainstorm on maemo.org about improving the phone experience. Think it covers some of this stuff | 03:11 |
| pta0007 | who can figure out what the problem then? | 03:11 |
| lcuk | yeah autoguy sounds familiar | 03:11 |
| lcuk | pta0007, just a min | 03:11 |
| autoguy | weren't you going to sleep? :) | 03:11 |
| lcuk | i said gnite to the channel :) | 03:12 |
| lcuk | i was going doing code | 03:12 |
| cjard | I also wondered about the MMS issue; yes fMMS is solving it but it's still a way to go; some very slick plugins for Conversations bring us MSN, AOL, Skype etc.. MMS could be integrated there perhaps? Is it another part that is "hard" to hook into? | 03:12 |
| autoguy | aha well that's better | 03:12 |
| cjard | I'll check for that brainstorm.. | 03:12 |
| lcuk | as i do at the end of every birthday ;) | 03:12 |
| lcuk | a full day off wandering around thinking :) | 03:12 |
| autoguy | of course | 03:12 |
| cjard | because I feel that quite a few people will buy this N900 as I did, expecting it to be a powerful phone, and finding the features they most use of a phone somewhat.. missing | 03:12 |
| autoguy | Here's a birthday present for you. I'm actually using liqcalender quite extensively, and enjoying it! | 03:13 |
| lcuk | cjard, | 03:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: congrats | 03:13 |
| lcuk | texting on the n900 is unlike ive ever done on a mobile | 03:13 |
| lcuk | i actually write loads now | 03:13 |
| lcuk | i used to hate phone interfaces | 03:13 |
| lcuk | cos i couldnt see conversation | 03:13 |
| lcuk | now, its like irc | 03:14 |
| lcuk | :) | 03:14 |
| cjard | (and of course, sticking a warning sticker on it saying "This is a mobile computer, that makes calls.. Don't be thinking it does the phoney [hah.. there's a pun in there] stuff that Symbian phones do" wouldnt help it sell to the phone crowd... | 03:14 |
| lcuk | unlimited texts help too | 03:14 |
| cjard | Well, sybmian devices had a conversation style thing... | 03:14 |
| cjard | ;) | 03:14 |
| cjard | i only get 1400 a month | 03:14 |
| lcuk | ive not used those tho | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, Planet and mwkn.net? | 03:14 |
| cjard | I could change that but I tend to use MMS and write a lot of text | 03:14 |
| cjard | like, an email even... | 03:14 |
| cjard | because 1 mms costs me 4 texts | 03:15 |
| ptl | do you guys have a few sources (rss or atom 2.0, preferrably) of maemo/n900 related news and software? | 03:15 |
| pupnik | i guess those are best, ty GeneralAntilles | 03:15 |
| lcuk | cjard, sure | 03:15 |
| cjard | but lcuk, did you find the QWERTY onscreen or h/w keyboard not a little cumbersome? | 03:15 |
| cjard | I can definitely type faster and spell better on a predictive T9 3x4 dialpad | 03:15 |
| lcuk | ive never had it on | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | cjard, there's a h-i-m plugin up on Bugzilla somewhere. | 03:15 |
| lcuk | i use physical qwerty | 03:15 |
| lcuk | i started with an n810 | 03:16 |
| lcuk | ive never used osk | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | cjard, I believe it'll do T9. | 03:16 |
| cjard | my thumbs are pretty big.. | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | qwerty onscreen??? | 03:16 |
| ptl | I found the hardware keyboard surprisingly good, and my previous phone/PDA was a giant HTC Athena with a hardware keyboard with 5 rows | 03:16 |
| ptl | I thought I wouldn't get used, but it took only a few seconds, not even minutes | 03:16 |
| cjard | GA: Yep, T9 in the sense that it predicts the word youre typing, but not in the sense of "I want to write ROPE, so i dial 7673 and then press * until the underlined word becomes ROPE" | 03:17 |
| cjard | I'm still finding I type a lot of Ms instead of spaces ;) | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd prefer 4 rows to the actual 3 | 03:17 |
| lcuk | have you people never heard of shift keys and caps | 03:17 |
| lcuk | and delete keys | 03:17 |
| lcuk | :D | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but onscreen kbd??? o.O | 03:17 |
| cjard | Thats another thing I find weird with the onscreen vs physical.. | 03:17 |
| cjard | the key maps are different | 03:17 |
| lcuk | t9 is the reason why i never used mobile sms! | 03:17 |
| lcuk | i couldnt bloody decipher it | 03:18 |
| lcuk | thanks for reminding me | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | even T9 3*4??? hualp erksss | 03:18 |
| cjard | sometimes its just way easier to use the onscreen because the symbols wanted are more accessible | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I can type faster on the N800's finger keyboard than I've ever been able to on the N900. | 03:18 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you had lots of practice | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, admittedly I have about 3 more years of practice on it, but still. | 03:18 |
| lcuk | it always surprised me | 03:18 |
| cjard | DS: the problem I have with the phys and onscr keyboards in qwerty form is that they are huge! | 03:18 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, pupnik has an n80 and hes worn out the keys | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I don't think I'll ever be as fast on the N900. | 03:18 |
| lcuk | its impressive to see | 03:18 |
| cjard | as in, very wide.. lot of travelling needed to type on them | 03:18 |
| lcuk | i bet your screen was similar | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, screen protector | 03:19 |
| cjard | a 3x4 dialpad is smaller so less stylus travel | 03:19 |
| lcuk | still | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: I prefer the N810 kbd to the N900 | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pristine | 03:19 |
| lcuk | cool | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, now that one I definitely can't use. | 03:19 |
| lcuk | he must have toxic fingertips | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | an I guess it's a lot of 'I'mm used to itM | 03:19 |
| lcuk | ;) | 03:19 |
| cjard | and also the buttons are larger, helping someone like me whose thumbs are... | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Boxwave knows how to make a good protector. | 03:19 |
| lcuk | hold on, i got pix | 03:19 |
| lcuk | pupnik, | 03:19 |
| lcuk | can i share pic of your n810 | 03:19 |
| * cjard is measuring his thumbs | 03:19 | |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer51: I'd prefer 4 rows than the actual 3 too, but only to play duke3d better. | 03:19 |
| ptl | well | 03:20 |
| cjard | heh | 03:20 |
| cjard | i cant find a ruler | 03:20 |
| ptl | I think I understand the compromise | 03:20 |
| cjard | but my thumb can cover QWER on the N900 physical keyboard | 03:20 |
| cjard | i use the onscreen because it's bigger and the "keys" are easier to press | 03:20 |
| ptl | 4 rows would definitely help us type faster, but it would make the device more bulky | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok, I always mess the ' with M and , | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as you've seen in prev posts | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but actually I dont see how to irc in a pub with OSK | 03:21 |
| cjard | lcuk; you maybe never used sms with a T9 because you looked at the screen while writing the word | 03:21 |
| cjard | :) | 03:21 |
| cjard | i had to get my bro to put his thumb on the screen | 03:21 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, why not? | 03:21 |
| cjard | so he couldnt see what he was writing til he got to the end of the word | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cjard: stop chewing nails | 03:22 |
| cjard | otherwise he'd get halfway thru it and say "it's guessing it wrong!" | 03:22 |
| cjard | ;) | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: no conversatio left when OSK actove | 03:22 |
| cjard | lol, doc if I type with my nails I'll scratch off the paint like on my N95 | 03:22 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, meh, I managed. | 03:22 |
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| pupnik | heh lcuk why? | 03:23 |
| lcuk | just because! | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | literki (OM freerunner) style transparent kbd? | 03:23 |
| lcuk | ive found it, hold on ill pm it you first | 03:23 |
| pupnik | hehe use to make kids clean hands | 03:23 |
| lcuk | if you are ok ill post it | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway when I read T9 on N900 I feel nausea | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | btw (T9): anybody has the slightest idea how to edit/dump/save/foobarize the T9 dict of a Nokia 6210? | 03:28 |
| ptl | and btw too, no one has a few good RSS/Atom/RDF for maemo-related news/blogs/software? :) | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's 8 years of effort and 'love' in this user dict :-S | 03:30 |
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| cjard | DS | 03:30 |
| cjard | you don't text much then | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ptl: thought tmo was the place to go | 03:31 |
| cjard | :) | 03:31 |
| cjard | if your 6210 can store 8 years of cto ords | 03:31 |
| cjard | cto = custom | 03:31 |
| ptl | tmo? | 03:31 |
| ptl | what's tmo? | 03:31 |
| cjard | it either has the biggest dict I've seen | 03:31 |
| cjard | t mobile? (in uk at least) | 03:31 |
| ptl | t mobile were that guys that made youtube videos teaching how to zoom in and out in the browser - without using gestures? | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah' average amerivan individual has ~10000 worts at max active vocabulary | 03:32 |
| ptl | I can't say that this testifies to knowing the N900 | 03:32 |
| cjard | DS; and I found my suymbian devices, with their 4kb user dictionary limit, would learn around 300 words | 03:33 |
| cjard | then start overwriting the oldest with the newest | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 3ven when assuming all is unique: 10000 * 8 = 80k. 3asy even for 6210 | 03:34 |
| cjard | clearly LRU concept hadn't entered nokia heads at the time | 03:34 |
| cjard | the user dict on a symbian phone was 4kb | 03:34 |
| cjard | later 8kb, but unicode | 03:34 |
| cjard | so still the same effective word count | 03:34 |
| ptl | why so small? | 03:35 |
| cjard | plus they made some really nasty bugs with their text input engines early on | 03:35 |
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| cjard | such as if you wrote "Hello World" and then put the cursor at the start of world: Hello |World | 03:35 |
| cjard | and then wrote more words into the sentence: Hello there nice big world | 03:36 |
| cjard | your dict ended up with "thereworld, niceworld, bigworld | 03:36 |
| cjard | as custom entries | 03:36 |
| cjard | which really quickly fills it up with junk, and overwrote.. | 03:36 |
| cjard | ptl; no idea why it was so small | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf!?! | 03:36 |
| maher | does anything bad happen if i reformat the MyDocs partition as ext3? | 03:36 |
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| ali1234 | maher: camera borks | 03:36 |
| cjard | maybe if they made it bigger they had performance issues | 03:37 |
| maher | ali1234: bah | 03:37 |
| cjard | DS; for real | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maher: yep | 03:37 |
| cjard | I even submitted a bugtraq type thing for it on the N80 | 03:37 |
| maher | ali1234: could i shrink it and have two partitions one vfat one ext3? | 03:37 |
| cjard | or some later phone | 03:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 mumbles 'why? OMG why??' | 03:37 | |
| ali1234 | maher: what you can do is swap the partitions around and reformat so that you have 2GB MyDocs and 30GB home | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~spank cam app devels | 03:38 |
| * infobot bends cam app devels over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on cam app devels's pasty white buttocks. | 03:38 | |
| cjard | the guys who thought "lets make it auto learn a users words.. oh and not give them a way to clear them out" - I'd like to have had a chat with them | 03:38 |
| cjard | showed them a sony ericsson | 03:38 |
| cjard | etc.. but I digress | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maher: you already got 2 partitions, one of them ext3 | 03:39 |
| maher | cjard: heh - i once borrowed my brother's phone - it was amising to see his favourite words... | 03:39 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: i want to copy all of my music over, but the filenames don't play nice with vfat | 03:39 |
| maher | cjard: amising/amusing | 03:39 |
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| pta0007 | alright, any one can help me with my problem? | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cjard: (chat) yep' here too | 03:40 |
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| pta0007 | just repeat my question: I am writing a camera program on n900, using example_camera.c from maemo examples, which employs gtk+. The problem is I can compile the program correctly, but when I tried to run it on device, it just showed "Failed to initialize pipeline" | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maher: consider the suggested resizing | 03:41 |
| pta0007 | i am using vl4l2src for VIDEO_SRC and xvimagesink for VIDEO_SINK | 03:41 |
| lcuk | pta0007, sorry sidetracked | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pta0007: I was even unaware of camera.c | 03:42 |
| cjard | maher: my N900 was second hand.. Reading the user dictionary it became obvious that the prev owner had some.. "interesting" passtimes | 03:42 |
| javispedro | pta0007: iirc v4lsrc is no longer used in n900 | 03:43 |
| lcuk | v4l2camsrc | 03:43 |
| javispedro | they have some brand new "camerasink" | 03:43 |
| javispedro | or that :) | 03:43 |
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| pta0007 | yes, i tried it as well | 03:43 |
| pta0007 | v4l2camsrc doesnt work | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cjard: it's also obvious the first owner wasn't up to par with that OS / platform | 03:44 |
| javispedro | wiki says it's "camera_src" | 03:44 |
| maher | cjard: that goes away afaik if you reset to factory defaults | 03:44 |
| javispedro | erno, sorry | 03:45 |
| pta0007 | do you mean i should replace video_src to camera_src? | 03:45 |
| maher | DocScrutinizer: thanks - I didn't realise there were two different partitions on the same device already | 03:45 |
| javispedro | pta0007: no, forget that | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pta0007: ping SpeedEvil about gstreamer invocation | 03:45 |
| pta0007 | DocScrutinizer51, dont understand it exactly | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pta0007: SpeedEvil knows a few 'magic incantations' of gstreamer for taking still photos and videos | 03:48 |
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| pta0007 | DocScrutinizer51, how to use it then? in my program? | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | depends. Either do a simple system(), or just learn a few details | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I dunno Ur app | 03:53 |
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| cjard | maher: or deleting the files also works, without resetting the phone :) | 03:54 |
| pta0007 | ok, i shall take a look at the speedevil first, hope i can find some solution for that | 03:54 |
| cjard | maher: rm the contents of /home/user/.osso/dictionaries/ | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: ping :-D | 03:56 |
| maher | what's this obsession with putting non config files in dirs starting with a . | 03:57 |
| cjard | i thought it was to do with a special representation in the gui | 03:58 |
| cjard | guys, how do I add an idea into an existing brainstorm? | 03:59 |
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| cjard | i want to add to the "Improving the phone experience" one | 03:59 |
| cjard | i mean *add a solution* into a brainstorm | 04:00 |
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| pta0007 | SpeedEvil:ping | 04:33 |
| pta0007 | SpeedEvil ping | 04:34 |
| pta0007 | SpeedEvil: ping | 04:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, recommend some music. I need to acquire more for my library. | 04:50 |
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| crashanddie | pta0007: stop pinging | 04:56 |
| crashanddie | boo GeneralAntilles | 04:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles runs screaming. | 04:56 | |
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| Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles: do you have Stratovarius? | 04:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, nope. | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will investigate. | 05:00 |
| Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUawCrHH2cw | 05:01 |
| cehteh | grr why is pairing bluetooth from debian such a pain...console | 05:02 |
| javispedro | finally, the net result of a day of coding! | 05:03 |
| javispedro | http://javispedro.com/maemo/captures/dosboxhwr.png | 05:03 |
| javispedro | I guess this will end up and the "I don't know how to write /" complaisn. | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 05:04 |
| Xisdibik | lol javispedro | 05:04 |
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| javispedro | ohhh the fn sticky key works | 05:06 |
| javispedro | this must be the 3rd most complex way of implementing sticky keys support. | 05:07 |
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| * javispedro looks at the time oh dammit | 05:08 | |
| javispedro | gnite | 05:08 |
| Xisdibik | night javispedro | 05:09 |
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| crashanddie | Xisdibik: I hope you're talking about the band, and not the instrument | 05:25 |
| crashanddie | If I hear just one more native-english-speaker say or write "Stratovarious" when really they mean Stradivarius, I will kick them in the bollocks | 05:27 |
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| crashanddie | Mhuwhahahahah http://content.yieldmanager.edgesuite.net/atoms/f3/70/a2/67/f370a26700856a1fc82f09093ff18729.gif | 05:29 |
| crashanddie | And did the new tattoos get done within 4 weeks as well? | 05:29 |
| Xisdibik | crashanddie: hmm? Stratovarius is a instrument? | 05:31 |
| crashanddie | Stradivarius | 05:32 |
| crashanddie | it's a type of violin | 05:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, clearly. | 05:32 |
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| Xisdibik | crashanddie: hmm | 05:34 |
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| crashanddie | Xisdibik: They're violins made by a specific family (The Stradivari, from northern Italy), and less than 200 are accounted for today... | 05:36 |
| Xisdibik | but thats Stradi.. not Strato :p | 05:36 |
| crashanddie | Which means that they generally fetch prices of multiple millions | 05:36 |
| crashanddie | Andre Rieu was quite famous for breaking a stradi during rehearsal... | 05:37 |
| crashanddie | God I know way too much useless shit | 05:37 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I hate Stratovarius | 05:39 |
| crashanddie | Sounds like Abba meets Led Zeppelin for comic relief | 05:40 |
| crashanddie | on ice | 05:40 |
| crashanddie | in 3d | 05:40 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x6faW3Jqjw | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, if you didn't know enough shit we'd have to kill you. | 05:42 |
| crashanddie | kill me? | 05:43 |
| crashanddie | You can't kill an ignorant | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, cool, looks like fun. | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, vaguely reminiscent of Climb Dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edLnXzAwHVc | 05:48 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: very vaguely then, and long time since I saw that video | 05:50 |
| crashanddie | seriously fast car | 05:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Rally aint no joke | 05:51 |
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| crashanddie | well, that wasn't rally, it was setup | 05:51 |
| crashanddie | the car was built for the occasion, modified specifically for that track, the suspension was hand built, the gears were custom pressed for the specific elevations of the mountains | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rallying | 05:52 |
| crashanddie | It's probably the most unique car in the world: not even built for a person, built for a single track and a single driver | 05:52 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: guess you've seen this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVX2e6W_kR0 | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, don't believe I have. | 05:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, crazy. | 06:03 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: and for once the comments on youtube are correct! | 06:03 |
| UtPaTtYanG | hello guys | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, end of the world | 06:04 |
| crashanddie | certainly | 06:04 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, time for me to go get some food | 06:04 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 06:04 |
| UtPaTtYanG | !top20 lines | 06:04 |
| UtPaTtYanG | hehee | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later | 06:04 |
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| genewitch | is there a trick to loading gpsjinni's logs into google earth? | 06:33 |
| genewitch | when I loaded it it zoomed in on the atlantic ocean... | 06:33 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: ping | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, pong | 07:12 |
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| pupnik | beautiful RST38h, ty | 09:54 |
| RST38h | moo to you too | 09:55 |
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| Proteous | every time I see nokia releasing another symbian s60v3 device I die a little inside | 10:04 |
| Myrtti | Proteous: I wish they'd release more s40 phones with smartphone capabilities | 10:05 |
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| Proteous | s60 is a dog of an OS, love my older nokia dumbphones/semismart phones though | 10:06 |
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| Ken-Young | Yes, Nokia needs to decide: Symbian or Linux. Not both. | 10:08 |
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| Myrtti | I wouldn't go that far | 10:08 |
| KamuiN900 | haha i loggef in at the perfect tiem | 10:08 |
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| Proteous | heh | 10:10 |
| KamuiN900 | agree. that comment is premature at bes | 10:10 |
| KamuiN900 | t | 10:10 |
| pupnik | back to Epoc? | 10:11 |
| KamuiN900 | lo hi pupnik | 10:11 |
| Myrtti | back to NokiaOS | 10:11 |
| ab3339 | no i say 2 operating systems make nokia a powerful company, better than others | 10:11 |
| * Myrtti gets popcorn | 10:11 | |
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| pupnik | two sounds good to me too ab3339 | 10:12 |
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| Ken-Young | Yes, two operating systems for a company that is losing market share on the high-end, high profit sector of the market. That's definately the way to go. After all, there are *way* too many apps in the Ovi stor already. | 10:13 |
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| arachnist | i wish nokia would phase-out symbian on high-end phones | 10:14 |
| Ken-Young | App developers *love* developing for multiple platforms. Keep's 'um busy! | 10:14 |
| pupnik | symbian is newer than linux ;) | 10:14 |
| KamuiN900 | nokia needs to port all sybian first party apps to both platforms not drop a platform | 10:14 |
| Ken-Young | VMS is newer than Unix. | 10:15 |
| KamuiN900 | vaxorz | 10:15 |
| pupnik | the maddee with qt looks worth learning | 10:15 |
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| pupnik | what is the magic bridge between nokia, apple and android though ? | 10:16 |
| Ken-Young | pupnik, What do you mean by that?" | 10:17 |
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| pupnik | nothing | 10:17 |
| Ken-Young | Does anyone think Apple would be doing better if half the iPhones ran a different OS? | 10:18 |
| pupnik | sdl :) | 10:18 |
| ab3339 | listen, just bcuz it loosing oney right now doesnt mean whatever its doing right now is wrong. there is a huge market shift going on, devices r going through dramatic changes, nokia has not been loosing money since forever | 10:18 |
| ab3339 | apple does not need a new os, it needs freedom | 10:19 |
| pupnik | well see when apple decides to make a break with their legacy iphone os Ken-Young | 10:19 |
| Ken-Young | ab3339, Apple's doing pretty well without freedom, unfortunately. | 10:19 |
| Trizt | people need to understand that they need freedom, most thinks it's ok to be forced to use things for a company thinks so | 10:20 |
| ab3339 | maemo and symbian puts nokia is a much powerful position, and makes the future predictable | 10:20 |
| Ken-Young | ab3339, Did you predict Meego? I sure didn't. | 10:20 |
| pupnik | people understand aneroexic women with lipstick. | 10:20 |
| ab3339 | no i didn't either | 10:21 |
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| ab3339 | chat in the office is not a good idea ! | 10:21 |
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| LuciusMare | Hi, how playable is openarena? Is it slow? And how much space does it take on rootfs? | 10:23 |
| crashanddie | LuciusMare: how about you try to install it? | 10:24 |
| LuciusMare | 250 MB? | 10:25 |
| MiXu- | I heard you can't exit it =) | 10:25 |
| LuciusMare | lol | 10:26 |
| MiXu- | Unless you ssh to N900 and kill it from there | 10:26 |
| MiXu- | I wouldn't recommend installing stuff like that :D | 10:26 |
| LuciusMare | On the other side, who would want to exit from openarena? :D | 10:26 |
| Ken-Young | I respect software that refuses to go quietly into that good night. | 10:26 |
| MiXu- | good point | 10:27 |
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| crashanddie | Ken-Young: that's a shit behaviour. Software should obey you, not have its own meaning | 10:28 |
| Ken-Young | crashanddie, I agree. I was joking. | 10:29 |
| LuciusMare | crashanddie: except evil AI robots | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | Kinda reminds me of the time I moved to London, and noticed for the first time that even though I lived in "South-East London", what it actually meant was "The other side of the fucking planet" | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | I took a cab, and I told him "To Grove Park please, near Lewisham" | 10:30 |
| ab3339 | software is obeying us, it just wants us to issue the commands from ssh thats all :) | 10:30 |
| crashanddie | the guy replied "Nha, I don't go that way mate" | 10:30 |
| crashanddie | Incredulous, I told him "well, where do you want to go?" "Whatdyamean?" "Well, just drive, <sarcasm>I'm paying!</sarcasm>" | 10:31 |
| LuciusMare | ab3339: actually, software is obeying us any way, in fact, it obeys you even if it is "disobeying you" because it obeys your command to disobey :)) | 10:31 |
| crashanddie | Then he said "Nha mate, it doesn't work that way", "That's what I thought, to Lewisham please!" | 10:31 |
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| LuciusMare | crashanddie: i don't ride with cabs, there are way too expensive | 10:32 |
| LuciusMare | :P | 10:32 |
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| crashanddie | there? | 10:32 |
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| pupnik | they | 10:32 |
| pupnik | bbl | 10:33 |
| LuciusMare | ah | 10:33 |
| ab3339 | they r expensive everywhere unless the company pays for them | 10:34 |
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| crashanddie | ab3339: really depends what kind of money you make | 10:35 |
| LuciusMare | the paper one | 10:36 |
| MiXu- | Really? My money is mostly electronic kind. | 10:36 |
| LuciusMare | but...well, you got me | 10:37 |
| MiXu- | Yeah. Just being a smartass ;) | 10:37 |
| arachnist | MiXu-: you can exit it | 10:37 |
| ab3339 | yea, my money has to goto the meamo devices so i kinda save it :p | 10:37 |
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| arachnist | openarena is playable, though the controls are a little wacky | 10:38 |
| LuciusMare | why is that? | 10:38 |
| arachnist | i'm too used to mouse+keyboard, probably | 10:38 |
| arachnist | accelerometer doesn't feel right for an FPS (imo) | 10:38 |
| MiXu- | Sure you can take the money out. But these days I use maybe something like 5% of my salary as physical money. | 10:38 |
| ab3339 | ahhh the mouse and the keyboard and the pc games! | 10:38 |
| LuciusMare | accelerometers? | 10:39 |
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| arachnist | well, you turn by turning the device left/right | 10:40 |
| arachnist | (for example) | 10:40 |
| LuciusMare | I can imagine myself trying to turn quickly and throwing my n900 across the whole room | 10:40 |
| ab3339 | luciusmare: havnt u seen the quake3 demo vids for n900 on the neta. | 10:41 |
| ab3339 | net* | 10:41 |
| ab3339 | hehehehe | 10:41 |
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| simula | i'm working my way through packaging on linux. do you guys know of a good channel oriented towards that? | 10:50 |
| LuciusMare | ##linux | 10:50 |
| RST38h | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=538759#post538759 | 10:50 |
| simula | luciusmare, do you know of a friendlier channel ;) | 10:51 |
| RST38h | Personal request: If you see ANYONE bitching about lack of one or another application on t.m.o, SEND him to this post. | 10:51 |
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| Sachin | anyone here? | 10:52 |
| simula | yulp | 10:52 |
| Ken-Young | yup | 10:52 |
| Sachin | so wats up? | 10:52 |
| LuciusMare | simula: ##linux-friendly | 10:52 |
| LuciusMare | :P | 10:52 |
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| simula | heh, i'm the only one there luciusmare :) | 10:53 |
| lbt | simula: what kind of packaging? | 10:53 |
| simula | lbt, i was hitting .deb, but i'm re-starting by working out all the files i want and where lsb wants them | 10:53 |
| lbt | typically packaging is a distro-based thing rather than generic | 10:54 |
| lbt | after all, the point it to ensure the sw is installed in line with distro policy :) | 10:54 |
| lbt | so for debian try #debian-mentors | 10:55 |
| lbt | but they're not on freenode | 10:55 |
| simula | i'm on that channel :) | 10:55 |
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| lbt | it can be quiet | 10:55 |
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| RST38h | "...But the sock piles! The hills of socks of every color and style known to mankind, they go on for miles. ... Despite the rather rank odor we have decided to explore further. My secretary is taking notes on the apparent depth and height of the piles." | 10:58 |
| ab3339 | what was that | 10:59 |
| Sachin | so will the next device from nokia have a larger screen? | 10:59 |
| RST38h | Sachin: Whom are you asking? | 10:59 |
| Sachin | anyone | 11:00 |
| Sachin | just curios what u guys think? | 11:00 |
| RST38h | We do not. | 11:00 |
| Sachin | ? | 11:00 |
| Ken-Young | My 52-year-old eyes would be very happy if the next device had a larger screen. | 11:01 |
| RST38h | There is no information on the next device. None. The only information present is that there is a dev board. | 11:01 |
| Sachin | how big? | 11:01 |
| Sachin | oh ok... | 11:01 |
| RST38h | So, why do you expect an answer? | 11:01 |
| Sachin | is it wrong to ask a question? | 11:02 |
| RST38h | No. It is probably wrong to expect an answer to this particular question though. | 11:02 |
| ab3339 | its fine dont worry :) | 11:02 |
| ab3339 | ok i bet u, its a bigger screen | 11:03 |
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| frals | whats the policy on voting on your own packages in -testing? | 11:06 |
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| Ken-Young | frals, I confess - I voted for mine, and nobody complained. However, the message sayin I could promote to Extras didn't come until I had 11 votes, so mine may not have counted. | 11:08 |
| frals | im just curious because i see a lot of people do it :) | 11:08 |
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| ab3339 | who wants a vote, just lemme know :) | 11:12 |
| LuciusMare | How do i compile code for n900 ON my n900? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | there's a chroot for this | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | with a rootstrap inside | 11:12 |
| ab3339 | c++ or python? | 11:12 |
| th0br0 | you don't compile python, ab3339 | 11:13 |
| th0br0 | ;) | 11:13 |
| LuciusMare | you can | 11:13 |
| thresh | you actually do | 11:14 |
| th0br0 | well, but that's only to bytecode ... | 11:14 |
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| ab3339 | there is a thread on t.m.o related to compiling c++ code on n | 11:15 |
| ab3339 | th0br0: umm yea :) | 11:16 |
| ab3339 | th0br0: your nick is difficult to write on n900 :) | 11:17 |
| th0br0 | call it toebro then ;) i won't be highlighted but yah ^^ | 11:18 |
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| Brendan[BP] | Hoi | 11:20 |
| ab3339 | hoi | 11:20 |
| Brendan[BP] | vassup | 11:20 |
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| ab3339 | meego is up | 11:22 |
| ab3339 | it seems | 11:22 |
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| frals | wtf have to wait 60seconds between reporting posts | 11:25 |
| frals | ~curse tmo | 11:25 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tmo ! | 11:25 |
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| ab3339 | tmo is nice | 11:26 |
| pupnik | a thriving community | 11:28 |
| Brendan[BP] | where is the Meego site? | 11:28 |
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| LuciusMare | is there some upnp av server for maemo? | 11:29 |
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| Brendan[BP] | ?? | 11:30 |
| thresh | LuciusMare: to launch it on a device? | 11:30 |
| thresh | i've tried rygel, but it didnt work for me :( | 11:31 |
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| ab3339 | brendan: meego.com | 11:32 |
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| RST38h | frals: Yes, you can vote on your own package. Means you trust in it | 11:32 |
| Brendan[BP] | ab3339 cheers mate | 11:32 |
| RST38h | frals: Only one vote though, so you need 9 more. | 11:32 |
| frals | RST38h: ok, I figured promoting it to -testing meant that :) | 11:32 |
| RST38h | moo thresh | 11:32 |
| LuciusMare | :( | 11:32 |
| RST38h | frals: Well, it may require repetition :) | 11:33 |
| RST38h | Especially with the current fucked up approval procedure. | 11:33 |
| * thresh waves | 11:33 | |
| Ken-Young | RST38h, What do you believe is fucked up about the approval procedure? | 11:34 |
| RST38h | Ken: Every update to the package (however minor) requires 10 votes. Users generally do not vote. | 11:34 |
| RST38h | Ken: Instead, they enable extras-testing/extras-devel on their devices and open "Applications that work" threads on t.m.o | 11:35 |
| Ken-Young | RST38h, OK, I agree with that. Bug fixes, for example, should not be delayed. | 11:35 |
| ab3339 | mee too | 11:35 |
| RST38h | Ken: Web based voting/promotion UI is generally misleading, unresponsive, and there is no link to it from the maemo.org top page | 11:35 |
| RST38h | Ken: The testing instructions are rather excessive and either turn people away from testing or attract wikipedians who will vote your app down for minor deviations form the testing instructions | 11:36 |
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| * RST38h is kinda tired repeating the same thing over and over for months though. It is incredible that NOBODY tried fixing it so far. | 11:37 | |
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| Brendan[BP] | i feel that portrait is extremely important though! | 11:37 |
| RST38h | ehlo, konttori. Do we have a bug about media player applet stopping working after a day or two uptime? | 11:38 |
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| RST38h | (the only way to reestablish its functions is to remove applet from desktop, then readd) | 11:38 |
| konttori | no, agaik, we don't | 11:38 |
| RST38h | ok, making a bug | 11:38 |
| RST38h | has been around for a while too | 11:39 |
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| konttori | by the way, the pr1.2 media player is finally getting there on the usability front. Especially the live search support has been a great addition to it. | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | finally ;) | 11:40 |
| Brendan[BP] | YES!!! live search! | 11:40 |
| Brendan[BP] | man that annoys me trying to find songs | 11:40 |
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| pupnik | we should all be able to make our own media players | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | we are | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:42 |
| Brendan[BP] | how do you mean make our own | 11:42 |
| pupnik | many people are yeah | 11:42 |
| pupnik | Stskeeps: did you ever try time stretch with mplayer? quite fun | 11:43 |
| thresh | whats live search? | 11:43 |
| RST38h | konttori: I have to be frank here: live search is very low on my list | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | live search in HAM is higher on mine ;) | 11:43 |
| RST38h | Ok, behold bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9192 | 11:43 |
| povbot | Bug 9192: Media Player applet stops working after a while | 11:43 |
| RST38h | konttori: Way below working media player applet, decent support for playlists, working avrcp | 11:44 |
| konttori | Stskeeps: HAM has full live search support as well | 11:44 |
| RST38h | Search in HAM would be *very* nice though =) | 11:44 |
| konttori | well, playlist support is going to be bad | 11:44 |
| RST38h | konttori: Btw, there is a good chance #9192 is somehow related to avrcp | 11:44 |
| konttori | applet -> dunno what's the status, I never use it (for the purpose it provides, I use BT headset previous and next buttons). | 11:45 |
| konttori | RST38h: what's your problem with avrcp? | 11:45 |
| konttori | for me, bt headset is working really well. | 11:45 |
| ab3339 | whats HAM? | 11:46 |
| konttori | I think we only support 1.0 of avrcp, but do you want more support? Or what's missing in avrcp? | 11:46 |
| konttori | ab3339 application manager | 11:47 |
| RST38h | konttori: does not work unless full media player is running (applet is not enoguh) | 11:47 |
| konttori | ab3339: hildon application manager (HAM) | 11:47 |
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| RST38h | konttori: also, sometimes gets stuck if headphones go out of the range and then back in | 11:47 |
| konttori | RST38h: yeah, well, that sucks. I agree. And as it stands, it won't be fixed. | 11:47 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 11:47 | |
| konttori | it's just done architecturally in an insane manner | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | konttori: the way strings are handled in maeom5 suck :( | 11:47 |
| RST38h | konttori: yea, that is what I mean :( | 11:47 |
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| konttori | (that UI is responsible for handling the BT commands) | 11:48 |
| konttori | RST38h: OTOH, considering that AMFW is opensource, perhaps community could help in fixing it | 11:48 |
| konttori | timeless_mbp: the way region settings are used (they are not), is also insane | 11:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, that's a battle we lost a long time ago | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | you just discovered how useless they are? | 11:49 |
| * timeless_mbp should have mentioned that | 11:49 | |
| konttori | no, I've known it for a long time | 11:49 |
| RST38h | konttori: I am afraid AVRCP can't be done by the community, but the applet problem may be fixable. Is the media player applet source available? | 11:49 |
| konttori | applet is closed source | 11:49 |
| Brendan[BP] | wht is ACRCP? | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: replace it | 11:50 |
| konttori | of course, at the same time, applet is also trivial to do. | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | I love how England is democratic about absolute everything. Even the things that aren't really up for debate. For example, the Daily Mail has been running polls to find out if people think that Charles ought to be King. | 11:50 |
| konttori | Brendan[BP]: remote control profile of bluetoot a2dp profile | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | It's a fucking monarchy, the people don't get to choose! | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: heh | 11:51 |
| Brendan[BP] | konttori AHHHH thanks mate! | 11:51 |
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| Brendan[BP] | i still REALLY want the ability to have a secondary sub exchange account :( | 11:51 |
| Ken-Young | Charles seems to be unusually stupid, even for royalty. | 11:51 |
| RST38h | directing public attention to trivial matters of low significance is an ages old practice | 11:51 |
| RST38h | human cloning, gay marriage, kingship choice... | 11:52 |
| Brendan[BP] | kingship choice + cloning go hand in hand | 11:52 |
| RST38h | abortion rights, for Tentacled's sake... | 11:52 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 11:53 | |
| timeless_mbp | there's a BBC special on Romanian Gypsy thieves | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | and they just had an 95 ringing | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | s/95/n95/ | 11:53 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: and they just had an n95 ringing | 11:53 |
| * RST38h bets nobody asks British public opinion on taxes, health care, or war in .AF | 11:53 | |
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| nid0 | plenty of people ask, but daily fail poll != government | 11:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | nid0: lol | 11:54 |
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| crashanddie | The British Royal family has been German since the late 17th century, they're massively inbred and must be incredibly stupid | 12:15 |
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| crashanddie | THat's why they never go outside... Should they meet people they'd be completely bewildered. "A plumber? What on Earth is that?" | 12:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: don't be nasty. You're talking about my future wife, unifying the kingships of sweeden and the UK. | 12:19 |
| crashanddie | sweeden? | 12:20 |
| SpeedEvil | (barring 190 unexpected deaths and a case of insanity) | 12:20 |
| crashanddie | Is that a new Country? | 12:20 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: I'm sorry, they are German | 12:20 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 12:20 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: coincidentally,the names Windsor and Mountbatten were originally Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and Shelssweig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg. | 12:21 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: if you look down the list of succession, to the UK throne, you find people who are in the lines of succession to other thrones - including sweden. | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | (no, I have to admit I didn't know that off the top of my head) | 12:21 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: I was born under a monarchy, I know how they work ;) | 12:23 |
| pupnik | where crashanddie ? | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: I'll be helpful: somewhere in Europe | 12:24 |
| RST38h | crashanddie,SpeedEvil: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&ved=0CBMQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.neilgaiman.com%2Fmediafiles%2Fexclusive%2Fshortstories%2Femerald.pdf&ei=sAmBS5-rKaLsmwOAweXyBg&usg=AFQjCNHI2_JMTVaNOsPDX17LhMQ41L2H-A&sig2=loPxo9bTJ6DrPn9LESgUbg | 12:24 |
| RST38h | (sorry for the long link) | 12:24 |
| nid0 | somewhere in europe = uk | 12:25 |
| crashanddie | works too: http://www.neilgaiman.com/mediafiles/exclusive/shortstories/emerald.pdf | 12:25 |
| crashanddie | nid0: wrong | 12:25 |
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| nid0 | linkedin failed me :( | 12:26 |
| crashanddie | it did indeed | 12:26 |
| crashanddie | nid0: however you probably found the correct linkedin page | 12:26 |
| crashanddie | nid0: link? | 12:26 |
| nid0 | you're in aus right now? | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | aye | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: what the hell is that? | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | moaning Jaffa | 12:28 |
| nid0 | anyone had much use of evopedia by any chance? | 12:28 |
| frals | morning Jaffa | 12:28 |
| * Jaffa sniffs at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3822#c8 | 12:31 | |
| povbot | Bug 3822: Application menu should have enough top-level folders to match package sections | 12:31 |
| Jaffa | Although thanks to konttori for the heads up | 12:31 |
| konttori | np | 12:32 |
| konttori | issue is that when you go to edit mode, it shows the flat list even if you are inside a category | 12:32 |
| konttori | anyway, feel free to help marcoil in fixing it for pr1.3. (or should pr1.2.1 come --- you never know) | 12:33 |
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| arachnist | mmm | 12:33 |
| arachnist | ug} | 12:33 |
| arachnist | Homepage: http://duiframework.wordpress.com | 12:33 |
| Jaffa | konttori: So it's an issue with the editor mode for the menu? | 12:33 |
| konttori | eh, so in hildon desktop code, in the launcher code | 12:33 |
| arachnist | ups | 12:33 |
| arachnist | git://gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework/duicompositor.git | 12:33 |
| konttori | yeah. issue is there | 12:33 |
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| konttori | the categorization stil works, | 12:33 |
| Jaffa | konttori: OK, cool. Thanks. | 12:33 |
| konttori | user is not able to meaningfully edit the order inside the categories | 12:33 |
| frals | victory, got my sharing plugin to work (i think) \o/ | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | \o/ | 12:34 |
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| RST38h | Anyone can tell me the specific #defines set when building under Maemo? | 12:35 |
| * RST38h needs something to put into ifeq() in the makefile | 12:35 | |
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| RST38h | Anyone can tell me the default variables set by make? | 12:43 |
| RST38h | Please? | 12:43 |
| moudmen | good morning, i'm trying to install mksh on my n900, it gives me an error in the postinstall script, abt add-shell not being found, i know that add-shell and remove-shell are provided by passwd, and i do have the latest passwd pkg installed. is there a way to fix this ? | 12:43 |
| moudmen | i'm still new to debian so i dont know my way around | 12:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | moudmen: passwd is probably not passwd as normally packaged | 12:47 |
| moudmen | hmm | 12:47 |
| moudmen | then how to get my add-shell and remove-shell ? | 12:47 |
| Corsac | RST38h: http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/make/Implicit-Variables.html but I guess you already know that? | 12:48 |
| Corsac | RST38h: but maybe you missed the make -p? | 12:48 |
| SpeedEvil | moudmen: there is no /etc/shells | 12:48 |
| SpeedEvil | moudmen: I have doubts that stuff actually will read it | 12:49 |
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| * RST38h sighs | 12:49 | |
| RST38h | MAEMO_VERSION | 12:50 |
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| RST38h | screw automake. | 12:50 |
| moudmen | but it looks as if something went wrong on my box, since mksh is in the maemo repository for fremantle. | 12:50 |
| moudmen | there must be a way to fix this without flashing the device | 12:50 |
| moudmen | how to find the dependencies of a package with apt-get ? | 12:51 |
| Corsac | apt-cache show will give you direct dependencies | 12:51 |
| Corsac | apt-rdepends will give you recursive dependencies, but it's a separate package | 12:52 |
| moudmen | thanks, got it | 12:52 |
| moudmen | yup, i understood both commands, rdepends and depends | 12:52 |
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| Corsac | apt-cache rdepends is not apt-rdepends | 12:52 |
| Corsac | (not confusing at all :) | 12:52 |
| moudmen | oh | 12:52 |
| Corsac | apt-cache rdepends will give you *reverse* dependencies | 12:53 |
| moudmen | rdepends command is reverse | 12:53 |
| moudmen | yea | 12:53 |
| Corsac | while apt-rdepends will give you recursive forward dependencies | 12:53 |
| moudmen | but maemo doesn't have apt-rdepends | 12:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | moudmen: so install it | 12:53 |
| Corsac | you might be able to install it from debian etch or lenny, it requires perl and libapt-pkg-perl | 12:53 |
| moudmen | couldn't find package ... | 12:53 |
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| moudmen | oh okay, i'll look there | 12:54 |
| Corsac | (or maybe they're in the sdk) | 12:54 |
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| moudmen | sorry but this is a whole new world for me, i worked with centos and freebsd and redhat, never with deb | 12:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | moudmen: why start now? | 12:55 |
| moudmen | got an n900 | 12:55 |
| moudmen | i mounted my easy-debian image and now i have my add-shell and remove-shell :\ | 12:56 |
| tealbird | moudman: why not wait for meego? | 13:01 |
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| Brendan[BP] | i hope the phone they release with meego is as good looking as the n900 | 13:01 |
| tealbird | moudman: sorry nm | 13:01 |
| nid0 | here's hoping for a meego-based e-series communicator | 13:02 |
| Brendan[BP] | NOOOOOOOOOO not e-series | 13:02 |
| Brendan[BP] | :( | 13:02 |
| moudmen | any previews for meego so far ? | 13:02 |
| tealbird | it's just been out for a week | 13:03 |
| tealbird | So I don't think so | 13:03 |
| nid0 | communicator e-series are fantastic phones :( | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | moudmen: meego is roughly vaporware for this quarter | 13:03 |
| pupnik | moudman any interest in a freebsd chroot for fun? | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | probably for most of next quarter | 13:03 |
| moudmen | nah, i hate bsd | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: seems like it's -really- a tabula rasa also on the technical side :P | 13:04 |
| tealbird | pupnik: that's slightly obscene ;) Do you have it working? | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | nid0: um, how many eseries communicators were there? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | which is positive and negative | 13:04 |
| moudmen | but i was thinking i'll dual boot this thing with maemo and some mini linux image | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | the e6x and e7x were not communicators | 13:04 |
| pupnik | i do not | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | the 9x00's were not eseries | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | the e90 is not really a communicator | 13:04 |
| moudmen | hehe true true | 13:04 |
| nid0 | sure it is | 13:04 |
| moudmen | nah it's not | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | nid0: communicator ran s80 | 13:04 |
| tealbird | moudmen: I don't know of anything other than android maybe working, you could try for something OE based I guess | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | e90 runs 'something else' | 13:05 |
| nid0 | dropping back to s60 for e90 kinda sucked sure, but I dont really see how you'd qualify that as "not a communicator" | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | nid0: a friend i met in England explained | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | communicators could do a number of things which the e90 can't do | 13:05 |
| moudmen | well tealbird i've already seen n900 run mac and maemo as dual boot | 13:06 |
| timeless_mbp | it really was basically 's60 tuned to vaguely emulate communicators' | 13:06 |
| moudmen | havn't heard of any tries to run linux on it yet | 13:06 |
| nid0 | the only significant functionality missing from the e90 out of the box that previous communicators had, is fax support | 13:06 |
| tealbird | maemo is linux | 13:06 |
| nid0 | and that just requires installing content beamer to get back | 13:06 |
| moudmen | debian | 13:06 |
| moudmen | by linux i mean rhel | 13:06 |
| tealbird | lol | 13:06 |
| moudmen | redhat, centos, fedora | 13:06 |
| moudmen | ... | 13:06 |
| moudmen | the linux i know :p | 13:06 |
| tealbird | yeah check out meego then | 13:06 |
| tealbird | it's rpm | 13:06 |
| tealbird | when it comes out | 13:07 |
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| moudmen | i'll get that phone in a blink of an eye when it's released | 13:07 |
| tealbird | big flame war over that :P | 13:07 |
| tealbird | I bet you could back port it | 13:07 |
| moudmen | yea, it shudnt be hard, true | 13:07 |
| tealbird | They're trying to stay mostly standard, so hopefully no weird patches like android | 13:08 |
| tealbird | And cross device so it would be surprising if n900 couldn't support | 13:08 |
| range | Guys, stop that. My head hurts. Meego isn't "rpm", nobody saw Mac (whatever that is) *dualboot* on an N900 and linux is just kernel. | 13:08 |
| range | *a kernel. | 13:08 |
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| tealbird | Linux is technically the kernel but most people associate a particular user space with it. | 13:09 |
| RST38h | range: exhale slowly. | 13:09 |
| moudmen | mac runs via pearpc, | 13:09 |
| moudmen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjl3Ob3VpU | 13:09 |
| RST38h | range: avoid using drugs in the future. | 13:09 |
| range | moudmen: Yes. where is that dual booting? | 13:09 |
| moudmen | sry, my bad, not dual boot, that was smthg else | 13:09 |
| range | RST38h: I thought I needed some :) | 13:09 |
| moudmen | let me re read the stories | 13:09 |
| tealbird | pearpc? Like vmware ? | 13:10 |
| moudmen | ah android right | 13:10 |
| tealbird | ah oops | 13:10 |
| moudmen | emulator, yea | 13:10 |
| moudmen | just like DosBox | 13:10 |
| tealbird | AFAIK android runs directly, not in an emulator | 13:10 |
| RST38h | Ok, javis' Vulture's Eye does not build =( | 13:10 |
| * RST38h hates when it happens | 13:11 | |
| tealbird | The n800 , vmware was running both wince and android | 13:12 |
| tealbird | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Mobile-device-runs-Windows-and-Android-simultaneously/ | 13:12 |
| RST38h | And? | 13:12 |
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| tealbird | We were discussing alternate OSs | 13:13 |
| tealbird | I thought | 13:13 |
| RST38h | Android is not an "os" in the sense that it runs on top of Maemo as well | 13:13 |
| RST38h | WinCE is not an OS any sane living being would consider using | 13:13 |
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| tealbird | No, android does not run on top of maemo. Android adds some stuff to the kernel / userspace and then runs in a vm which writes directly to the frame buffer, it does not use X. | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | tealbird: vmware already demod their platform on Maemo4 / n800 | 13:15 |
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| RST38h | tealbird: so, you run it from Maemo, eh? | 13:16 |
| RST38h | When Maemo is fully booted? | 13:16 |
| tealbird | No | 13:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, yeah, it's in that link | 13:16 |
| RST38h | How is it a no? | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | it's dual-boot | 13:17 |
| Corsac | the android patches could be added to the kernel so the android userland could run on maemo kernel | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | you can cross a pig with a crow, but why would you? | 13:18 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: doesn't Android run from chroot? | 13:18 |
| roadi | Corsac: but they don't doit; thats why the kerneldeveoper kicked out the patchset | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: initially, now it's dual-boot | 13:18 |
| timeless_mbp | roadi: you're thinking about upstream | 13:18 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: is talking about 'in general outside upstream' | 13:19 |
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| tealbird | Android is being removed because nobody is maintaining it, not because it's not explicitly wanted | 13:19 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Well if it runs from chroot, you can't really call it an OS :) | 13:19 |
| roadi | timeless_mbp: no. it was only a comment. | 13:19 |
| RST38h | tealbird: If someone wanted it they would maintain it | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: 'OE' | 13:19 |
| * Arif_ yawns | 13:20 | |
| Corsac | tealbird: not maintained *mainline* | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, ok, android UI under chroot. android OS dualboot. | 13:20 |
| Corsac | tealbird: it's behind maintained at google, they just don't care about pushing the patches mainline | 13:20 |
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| Arif_ | hmm | 13:20 |
| Arif_ | I woke up early today :D | 13:20 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: But..hmm...is there any "os" beside UI? | 13:20 |
| Corsac | what exactly do you mean by “os”? | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | RSyes, afaik :P | 13:21 |
| tealbird | I agree corsac, and that's different from being explicitly kicked out | 13:21 |
| Corsac | kernel, kernel+basic userland, kernel+userland+X+DE? | 13:21 |
| Corsac | tealbird: not so much | 13:21 |
| Corsac | tealbird: it was explicitely kicked out | 13:21 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I have got an impressin that below Dalvik there is hardly any OS at all | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: not much, agreed | 13:21 |
| tealbird | corsac: by who? | 13:21 |
| Corsac | but kicked out from staging/ is not the same thing as being kicked out | 13:21 |
| Corsac | tealbird: Linus? | 13:22 |
| Corsac | not sure who did the commit though | 13:22 |
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| Corsac | RST38h: well, there is a kernel which does memory management, scheduling, etc. and some userland, which is not really available for any user :) | 13:22 |
| Corsac | so yeah, by itself it's not much of an os | 13:23 |
| tealbird | Heh http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0a0ccfad85b3657fe999805df65f5cfe634ab8a | 13:23 |
| roadi | thats what i told you. | 13:24 |
| RST38h | Corsac: memory management and scheduling is about 2000 lines of code at most | 13:24 |
| Corsac | RST38h: well, kernel manage devices too | 13:25 |
| tealbird | roadi: semantics | 13:25 |
| Corsac | (2000 lines only?) | 13:25 |
| * tealbird shrugs | 13:25 | |
| RST38h | Corsac: well you want to write a malloc() and a simple scheduler | 13:25 |
| roadi | tealbird: i ment few minutes ago. | 13:25 |
| RST38h | Corsac: if you cannot fit 'em into 2000 lines, you are doing something wrong | 13:26 |
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| Corsac | RST38h: yeah but I meant the Linux ones | 13:26 |
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| RST38h | Corsac: Yes, if you are lazy you can use linux ones and a thousand penguin worshippers will trumpet you as "a linux distro" | 13:26 |
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| tealbird | roadi: yes, semantics differences :) You said kicked out, committer said in essence "sadly removed" which is what I vaguely remembered | 13:29 |
| RST38h | tealbird: It is a polite way to say "kicked out' | 13:29 |
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| Arif_ | sadly removed = kicked out | 13:29 |
| RST38h | When you kick someone in the nuts with the sad face, it makes you feel morally superior to the victim | 13:29 |
| tealbird | Thank you for that picture | 13:30 |
| Arif_ | xD | 13:30 |
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| tealbird | I'll have to try that sometime | 13:30 |
| Arif_ | I'm not sure that'll be appreciated very well o.o | 13:30 |
| fnordianslip | hmm. my unresponsive N900 showed a load of 17 over ssh before i rebooted it. wonder if that is a record? | 13:31 |
| tealbird | You never know | 13:31 |
| RST38h | fnordian: No | 13:31 |
| fnordianslip | oh. what is the record? | 13:31 |
| RST38h | fnordian: UMD EE department microVAXen showed up to 45. | 13:31 |
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| RST38h | (yes, "ls" took a while) | 13:32 |
| Arif_ | stop ls'ing in the pr0n folder :P | 13:32 |
| RST38h | Arif: What pr0n? It was *before* Netscape | 13:32 |
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| fnordianslip | RST38h: i mean for an n900. i remember hearing of a old server being decommissioned, and they found a low priority print job that had been waiting over 20 years to run :) | 13:32 |
| Arif_ | there was no porn before netscape? :o | 13:33 |
| Arif_ | good times =} | 13:33 |
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| SWFu64 | still no update for uk users wtf is going on? | 13:33 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 13:33 |
| Arif_ | I just noticed | 13:33 |
| Zoup | badblocks /dev/mmcblk0p2 shows lots of errors, is this hardware issue? | 13:33 |
| N900evil | me | 13:33 |
| zerojay | Did the Karma calculations just massively change or something? I just lost over half my karma. | 13:33 |
| Arif_ | my old N95 8GB charger is still plugged in the wall socket | 13:33 |
| Arif_ | :P | 13:33 |
| Zoup | <---- N900 | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: before netscape you had erotic stories which was enough | 13:34 |
| Arif_ | erotic text adventures! | 13:34 |
| RST38h | crash: Actually, yes | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: yes, like it was discussed for lengthy periods of time? | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | (i lost bugzilla karma myself) | 13:34 |
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| RST38h | Ah the horror! The suffering | 13:35 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: Yeah, I lost mainly bugzilla karma from what I saw. | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40329 was the thread | 13:35 |
| * N900evil wonders if renaming bugs accont will link it. | 13:36 | |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: What is the story on Bugzilla karma anyway? | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=489664#post489664 for consensus | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i'm not sure | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | unbalanced with the new changes | 13:36 |
| zerojay | Blog posts seem to be weighted SO much more.. wtf. | 13:37 |
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| RST38h | Bloggers, sir | 13:38 |
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| zerojay | Which is great if you're accepted into the blogroll... | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | which is pretty simple to get | 13:39 |
| zerojay | I've been refused twice. | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, odd | 13:39 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Complete omittance of bug reporting karma is still weird | 13:39 |
| zerojay | I really don't understand how bug reporting can be far less important than posting about the same thing everyone else is. | 13:40 |
| tealbird | bug reporting > posts | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i think it was just not included in the change proposal | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | and hence it wasn't discussed | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | go read the discussion, i know nothing | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:40 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Weird | 13:40 |
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| Stskeeps | and submit a discussion for getting bug karma changed cos it does seem a bit unbalanced atm | 13:41 |
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| RST38h | "Well, that's a bug among others it seems, we didn't proposed any alteration to bugzilla karma, nor for favs that is also very low." | 13:42 |
| RST38h | zerojay: I guess it will get fixed in a while | 13:42 |
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| RST38h | chown -R user:root /home/fms/vultures-2.2.100/debian/vultures/media/mmc2/share | 13:43 |
| RST38h | opt/maemo/dists/lenny-2009-1/bin/chown: invalid user: `user:root' | 13:43 |
| RST38h | ??? | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | busyboxism? | 13:43 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: No idea, it seems to build for javispedro | 13:45 |
| RST38h | But not for me | 13:45 |
| Jaffa | Scaling on http://maemo.org/profile/view/thenokiablog/ seems crazy. | 13:46 |
| RST38h | That scaling has been crazy for months now | 13:46 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: there's a username 'thenokiablog'?? | 13:47 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, that scaling is wonky | 13:47 |
| Jaffa | I'd suggest that if the order of http://maemo.org/profile/list/ makes people go "eh?" rather than "fair enough" the experiment with the new multipliers isn't quite right yet | 13:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: i'm not on page 1? | 13:47 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: It's completely fucked. | 13:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: ok, what page am i on? | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | ah, page 4 | 13:48 |
| zerojay | Bug reporting is apparently useless now. | 13:48 |
| zerojay | lol | 13:48 |
| Shapeshifter | so I still dont get this. in both the maps app as well as the location widget, I get a very acurate lock but the map never moves around the middle. the dot never follows my position. | 13:48 |
| Shapeshifter | what do i need to do to have this kind of tracking? | 13:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | zerojay: why? | 13:49 |
| timeless_mbp | konttori is now in charge of getting things fixed | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | he's doing a relatively good job | 13:50 |
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| zerojay | timeless_mbp: I'm just saying that's the impression you get when you look at the way karma is calculated now. You get more karma for posting the same shit everyone else is than you ever would from bug reporting. That's the impression that the less connected of us is going to get for the moment anyways. | 13:51 |
| zerojay | Who do I gotta poke to get my package added to the maemo bug tracker? | 13:51 |
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| ZogG | hey, i got forum account and garage account on maemo.org but can't login in brainstorm section =( | 13:52 |
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| RST38h | zerojay: What really sends your karma through the roof is a regular sacrifice to the Tentacled One. Most bloggers who get aggregated through maemo.org practice it. | 13:53 |
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| Zoup | is this normal to have badblocks on mmc disk? | 13:53 |
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| tealbird | zoup: I had issues and I'm blithingly ignoring it until I feel like I can do without my cell phone for a while | 13:54 |
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| Zoup | i have face major fs corruption :( | 13:54 |
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| tealbird | But I haven't upgraded to latest release and I think there may have been some bug fixes | 13:54 |
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| Zoup | tealbird: which is not repairable with fsck | 13:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | zerojay: there's a wiki page explaining the process to add to bugs.maemo | 13:55 |
| Zoup | is this hardware fault? can this get fixed with reflashing? | 13:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | Zoup: mmc's will have bad blocks | 13:55 |
| timeless_mbp | they come w/ spares | 13:55 |
| timeless_mbp | it's actually fairly rare to *not* have bad blocks | 13:55 |
| Zoup | timeless_mbp: how can i deal with this issue then? | 13:55 |
| tealbird | The card shouldn't report it unless it's a real issue | 13:55 |
| tealbird | At least AFAIK | 13:56 |
| Zoup | i have lots of file issues, and errors in dmesg | 13:56 |
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| tealbird | I would say thats a real problem | 13:56 |
| tealbird | Check talk but I think that some people said reflashing emmc might help | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, X-Fade denies aggregation requests? | 13:56 |
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| tealbird | I haven't done it myself | 13:56 |
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| Zoup | none of you received anything in dmesg? | 13:57 |
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| tealbird | Yes, I received something in dmesg about errors | 13:57 |
| RST38h | Zoup: was there supposed to be a message from you? :) | 13:57 |
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| tealbird | But not huge | 13:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | Zoup: a bad block's a bad block | 13:57 |
| timeless_mbp | trying to paint over a pothole doesn't make the pothole go away | 13:57 |
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| Zoup | timeless_mbp: maybe i can use -k to preserve badblocks? | 13:58 |
| ZogG | anyhelp here? | 13:58 |
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| tealbird | zoup: what are the dmesg errors | 13:59 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I don't remember who it was... maybe Quim himself, but yes. | 14:00 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Though to be fair this was pre-N900 and all that. | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | mmc corruption means that the mmc has run out of bad blocks in one zone. | 14:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, didn't even know you had a blog. | 14:01 |
| Zoup | tealbird,timeless_mbp : http://www.pastebin.com/m1c3e38b6 | 14:02 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I had started one up specifically for the NITs back in the day but was pretty much told it wasn't going to be agregated so don't bother. lol | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Typically mmc wear leveling is done with - say - 1024 blocks - which present to the user as 1000 blocks. The 24 blocks are spares. Every write means an erase of one block, a copy to one of the spare blocks, and reallocation of the block numbers. | 14:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, weird. | 14:02 |
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| tealbird | SpeedEvil: but should that be happening already? | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | tealbird: yes - this happens below the interface level. | 14:04 |
| SpeedEvil | tealbird: if the mmc is reporting bad blocks, this mechanism has failed. | 14:04 |
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| Zoup | SpeedEvil: how can i fix this? | 14:04 |
| tealbird | I mean, severe enough for it to have failed | 14:04 |
| tealbird | I have never seen it on normal SD cards | 14:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Zoup: I would try first filling the entire device with zeros - to ensure it's had one write cycle. | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Zoup: and then retry flashing. And then run badblocks | 14:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 14:05 |
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| Zoup | SpeedEvil: as in Flashing the eMMC in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware or normal flashing? | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | flashing the mmc | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | what are the errors - can you pastebin? | 14:06 |
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| Zoup | SpeedEvil: http://www.pastebin.com/m1c3e38b6 | 14:06 |
| tealbird | Was already done | 14:06 |
| tealbird | heh | 14:06 |
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| Andy80 | hey guys | 14:06 |
| Zoup | SpeedEvil: + unrecoverable fs corruption | 14:06 |
| Andy80 | what happened to all karma in maemo.org? | 14:06 |
| Andy80 | http://maemo.org/profile/list/ | 14:06 |
| Andy80 | I lost more than 1000+ karma points O_o | 14:06 |
| Zoup | SpeedEvil: fsck even fails with seg faults! | 14:06 |
| zerojay | Andy80: Scroll up. | 14:06 |
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| Andy80 | zerojay: up where? | 14:07 |
| RST38h | Ohhoho | 14:07 |
| RST38h | That was karmic apocalypse | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Zoup: does it ever come back from this state - might it be the mmc stopping responding? | 14:07 |
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| Zoup | SpeedEvil: yeah, normally is kind of ok | 14:08 |
| Zoup | SpeedEvil: this happend when i have tried to install lots of applications | 14:08 |
| Zoup | SpeedEvil: disk usage i guess, before that it was very much ok, no errors at all | 14:08 |
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| Zoup | SpeedEvil: and even now if i enable mounting of p2, its kind of working but some files are not accessible | 14:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Zoup: simply installing apps should not kill the mmc in this way | 14:09 |
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| Zoup | SpeedEvil: i guess its because installing means using more disk space, reaching more bad blocks? | 14:09 |
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| tealbird | zoup: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5767 | 14:10 |
| povbot | Bug 5767: Corrupted /home/user/MyDocs VFAT filesystem out of the box | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I approve wholeheartedly of the new karma system. | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It's entirely coincidental that my karma just quadrupled. | 14:10 |
| Corsac | :)) | 14:10 |
| RST38h | Blogger. | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think you can ever get this sort of stuff right. | 14:10 |
| Corsac | mine went from 140 to 109 :( | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: naah - not blogged once. | 14:10 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: So, what was it? A cat? A whole pony maybe? | 14:10 |
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| Andy80 | SpeedEvil: how/when did the karma change? | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Andy80: dunno. Between today and a couple of weeks ago. | 14:11 |
| Zoup | tealbird: note that mine is ext3 parition issue mainly, maybe vfat one is dead as well, its not very much used | 14:12 |
| sejo | is python-qt4 supported on the maemo5-sdk | 14:12 |
| villemv | solarion: pyqt is in extras | 14:12 |
| Andy80 | I'll ask more details on mailing list,.... | 14:12 |
| Andy80 | got to go now | 14:12 |
| villemv | sejo: I mean | 14:12 |
| tealbird | zoup: your home directory? | 14:12 |
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| Zoup | tealbird: yep, p2 | 14:13 |
| sejo | villemv: going to look for the intel extras then | 14:13 |
| villemv | intel? | 14:13 |
| sejo | yeah in the sdk | 14:13 |
| Zoup | SpeedEvil: so, i will try to fill mmc with zero's, mmc reflash and badblocks again? | 14:13 |
| sejo | I have a scratchbox running and whish to test the app there before copying it to my n900 | 14:14 |
| villemv | ah, you, just add the normal extras line. it has both i386 and armel | 14:14 |
| sejo | k | 14:14 |
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| tealbird | zoup: good luck , would be good to know if that works. Might be worth adding this to the bug report mentioning it was on the ext3 partition | 14:15 |
| Zoup | tealbird: i will :) | 14:15 |
| tealbird | excellent | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Zoup: that would be what I'd do if it was my tablet. | 14:15 |
| Zoup | tealbird: lets hope its not hardware fault ... :(( | 14:16 |
| tealbird | zoup: for me too since I possibly have the same issue | 14:16 |
| tealbird | not as bad though | 14:16 |
| Zoup | SpeedEvil: can this be hardware issue? unrecoverable? | 14:16 |
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| crashanddie | ~ping | 14:17 |
| infobot | ~pong | 14:17 |
| tealbird | zoup: you'll find out | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Zoup: I don't see a way it can't be an unrecoverable hardware issue. | 14:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | but... | 14:18 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 14:18 |
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| wazd_ | Rst38h: moo | 14:18 |
| wazd_ | Hello all | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | moo wazd | 14:19 |
| N900evil | I have been wrong before. Twice. oh, actually I was wrong in January too - so three times. | 14:19 |
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| Zoup | SpeedEvil: last question, how to zero entire mmc disk ? does flasher support such act or simply dd if=/dev/zero ? | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | reflash the emmc | 14:22 |
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| Zoup | Stskeeps: do you had similar experience? was that fixed? | 14:23 |
| Wizzup | When flashing the phone, does the battery really have to be fully charged? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | Wizzup: yes, it's a very good idea | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | no, i did not - but if you have I/O errors on internal MMC something's not good | 14:24 |
| Wizzup | So 2/3 is not good enough... meh | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | and you could consider a RMA | 14:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, Ars. | 14:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, or, alternatively, main story to MeeGo, and another story for Ryan's article. | 14:24 |
| Wizzup | Stskeeps: I just want to upgrade my phone's firmware | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | Wizzup: the issue is that if anything goes wrong, you are left with a hosed device otherwise | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | so charge it fully and never let battery go completely dry | 14:25 |
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| Wizzup | I won't | 14:25 |
| Wizzup | I mean, I will* | 14:25 |
| Wizzup | eh | 14:26 |
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| fnordianslip | hmm. i can't answer SIP calls with my bluetooth headset on my N900. but i can answer cellular calls. is that normal? | 14:27 |
| fnordianslip | once i answer the SIP call, the headset works ok, but I can't disconnect it either. | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: reflashing won't zero it will it? | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: no, but it will overwrite and your subsequent writes to untouched will come before your reads, effectively zeroing.. | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | untouched areas | 14:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | you want to zero it all - or write to it all though. ideally. | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | badblocks nondestructive test may work | 14:30 |
| RST38h | is there a binary for this test? | 14:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I have no idea where it came from - I have a binary on my device | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | busybox,afaik | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | doesn't look like | 14:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | helptext is identical to the badblocks on my laptop | 14:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | It has a date of nov 25 - which is 5 days before I got it IIRC | 14:37 |
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| RST38h | A'ok, new version of Vultures coming up... | 14:38 |
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| RST38h | As soon as I figure out how to keep savefiles in the home dir | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | shared bones plz! :) | 14:39 |
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| alterego | How do we theme Qt applications in Qt Creator to look as they would do under maemo? | 14:59 |
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| sejo | someone a good tutorial for Qt4 on maemo? | 15:02 |
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| alterego | sejo: yeah, that's what I'm looking for too :) | 15:02 |
| sejo | alterego: heh :p | 15:03 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: run them on Maemo and you should get the theming | 15:08 |
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| alterego | Jaffa, yeah, but how do we know what the interface is going to look like? | 15:10 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: x11vnc? ;) | 15:11 |
| alterego | in the video last week, I saw them using QtCreator and they were switching between portrait and landscape modes. I suppose I could look at their source. | 15:12 |
| alterego | insgtall the hildon theme on my host. | 15:12 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: agreed. There'll be a few MeeGo articles scattered throughout, I think | 15:12 |
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| Zoup | SpeedEvil: dd is going on very well | 15:13 |
| Zoup | SpeedEvil: its a good sign i believe, no Input/Output error yet | 15:14 |
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| jwal_maemo | Hi, just started wifi roaming with my new n900 :) Has anyone got a neat way of dealing with hotspots which require you to fill in an HTML form on connection? | 15:18 |
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| jwal_maemo | I'm looking for something to fill in that form for me when I join certain networks. At the moment when I come in range of one of these networks, my jabber etc disconnects. | 15:21 |
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| alterego | jwal_maemo: sounds like a good idea, unfortunately I don't think there is currently a solution for what you described. | 15:23 |
| RST38h | Vulture's done. XChat now. | 15:23 |
| RST38h | cehteh: There? | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | There was a Maemo 4 app for it, IIRC | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | Would be very handy for an app to listen to connections to certain APs over DBus and to do the appropriate HTTP jiggery to let you straight through. | 15:25 |
| jwal_maemo | I could probably write a daemon for this myself, if nobody else has. The ony thing I could find like this is "fastconnect" for thecloud.net which has a win32 and s60 version but not for GNU/Linux. | 15:25 |
| jwal_maemo | Jaffa: Cool, do you know what it is called? | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | jwittema: May have been http://mobile.boingo.com/download/ Not sure there was any OSS app | 15:27 |
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| jwal_maemo | That's exactly what I am talking about. I knew somebody would have thought of it before. | 15:29 |
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| cehteh | rst: yep | 15:33 |
| flipouk | anyone knows how to emulate the ALT key on the N900 terminal? thx | 15:35 |
| thresh | esc | 15:35 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Where in the xchat config do I enable your plugin? | 15:35 |
| RST38h | cehteh: need to include that line into the package | 15:35 |
| flipouk | thresh: nope doesn't worl :-( | 15:36 |
| flipouk | work | 15:36 |
| flipouk | I | 15:36 |
| thresh | it does in irssi at least | 15:37 |
| cehteh | uhm ..iirc plugins are loaded automatically when in plugin dir | 15:37 |
| flipouk | thresh: I run irssi on a remote computer I ssh into | 15:37 |
| thresh | me too | 15:37 |
| thresh | esc + number works fine | 15:37 |
| flipouk | and I'd like to switch channels | 15:38 |
| thresh | yes, Esc + that blue arrow + number | 15:38 |
| flipouk | thresh: it's working now. many thx | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: http://www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf has some additional keys defined. | 15:39 |
| RST38h | cehteh: and is there a system-wide one? | 15:40 |
| RST38h | oh ok usr/lib/xchat | 15:40 |
| cehteh | yes, i think /usr/lib/xchat2 but have to figure out | 15:41 |
| cehteh | :) | 15:41 |
| RST38h | Actually /usr/lib/xchat, it looks | 15:44 |
| cehteh | hum how does tab completio work in xchat? | 15:44 |
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| cehteh | can be, meanwhile i tested the config loading too, works | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: A) ctrl-i. B) Turn on autocompletion char - enter : (or whatever it is) and it completes. C) Define an autocompletion char. I use shift-right | 15:45 |
| RST38h | What a mess this optification is... | 15:47 |
| ZogG | okay, anyone can help me here? i messed up with layout and after wrong setting i can't boot uop | 15:47 |
| RST38h | cehteh: I think I have an autocomplete char defined. A moment. | 15:47 |
| ZogG | is there way to mount root of n900 to computer? | 15:47 |
| derf | I think I've given up on packaging things altogether. | 15:48 |
| cehteh | rst: should be $libexecdir | 15:48 |
| derf | It's just not worth it. | 15:48 |
| cehteh | zog: sshfs | 15:48 |
| ZogG | cehteh i can't boot it | 15:49 |
| ZogG | it's bootingf with black screen | 15:49 |
| cehteh | uhm then not easily | 15:49 |
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| ZogG | i can mount only the user folder | 15:50 |
| ZogG | but not root one | 15:50 |
| ZogG | i need root one to fix it | 15:50 |
| ZogG | is it aviable? | 15:50 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Shift+Space will autocomplete by default | 15:51 |
| ZogG | anyone? | 15:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | ZogG: have you setup ssh? | 15:53 |
| cehteh | RSt: damnit, i remapped shift space to tab for emax and this beeaks in xchat | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: you can't easily mount / - the mount functionality is completely seperate | 15:53 |
| ZogG | nope | 15:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | ZogG: flashing is the only easy solution | 15:53 |
| ZogG | SpeedEvil, i just need to cp one file from backup to fix it | 15:53 |
| ZogG | SpeedEvil so there is no way to mount / ? | 15:54 |
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| midas | morning | 15:55 |
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| cehteh | RST38h: ah ctrl space reconfigured | 15:57 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: Ctrl-Space is the language switch. Cannot use it, sorry | 15:58 |
| cehteh | ZogG: to be able to mount u have to have the device booted | 15:58 |
| RST38h | cehteh: That is why it is Shift-Space | 15:58 |
| cehteh | heh | 15:58 |
| cehteh | damit | 15:58 |
| Jaffa | Oooh, is that changelog parsing in Packages? http://maemo.org/packages/view/autodisconnect/ | 15:59 |
| ZogG | cehteh it's booting but with black screen =) | 15:59 |
| * Arif_ blinks | 16:00 | |
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| cehteh | zog u can ssh to it? | 16:00 |
| midas | ZogG: black screen with nokia in it? | 16:01 |
| ZogG | i didn't set it | 16:01 |
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| ZogG | midas, nope blackscreen after full boot sometimes wih one icon in coner | 16:01 |
| midas | k | 16:01 |
| ZogG | not really okay =) | 16:02 |
| ZogG | i'll flash it | 16:02 |
| midas | hehe nope :p | 16:02 |
| midas | yeah | 16:02 |
| ZogG | but have no backups | 16:02 |
| ZogG | damn it | 16:02 |
| midas | thats the fastest way | 16:02 |
| ZogG | it's only one file to correct | 16:02 |
| ZogG | and i have back up | 16:02 |
| ZogG | but can't get there =) | 16:02 |
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| ZogG | hmmm | 16:05 |
| ZogG | now the question is how to flash in gentoo | 16:05 |
| cehteh | test | 16:05 |
| ZogG | oh i have to download flasher | 16:06 |
| ZogG | stupid me | 16:06 |
| ZogG | i thought it's built-in program | 16:06 |
| ZogG | but in deb-based distros =( | 16:06 |
| cehteh | you can unpack the deb and try | 16:07 |
| cehteh | gentoo cries fo pain :p | 16:08 |
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| alterego | is mmcblk0 rootfs? | 16:12 |
| alterego | p1 .. | 16:12 |
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| techrascal | hi technified | 16:17 |
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| jacekowski | does n900 support mkv containers? | 16:18 |
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| Arif_ | not the mkvs you warezd :( | 16:19 |
| cehteh | alterego: no the rootfs is on NAND ubifs | 16:19 |
| alterego | gstreamer does, but the media player doesn't seem to. | 16:19 |
| technified | hi | 16:20 |
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| alterego | cehteh: so do I dd ubifs then? to make a root image? | 16:20 |
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| ShadowJK | extra-decoders allegedly adds mkv support | 16:21 |
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| cehteh | i just rsync the whole device | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | is it normal that i can't charge N900 from usb | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | i mean it's charging | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | but it never reaches 100% | 16:22 |
| alterego | jacekowski: not unusual. depends on the power output from the host device. | 16:23 |
| alterego | also, if you're using it aswell. | 16:23 |
| jacekowski | 500mA | 16:23 |
| jacekowski | which is maximum for usb | 16:23 |
| jacekowski | left overnight | 16:23 |
| javispedro | not even with the wall charger it should reach 100% | 16:24 |
| midas | jacekowski: usb only delievers 500mA, where as the charger delivers 1200mA | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | it might cause charging to take longer | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | but it should charge it | 16:24 |
| javispedro | does it show the charge completed notification? | 16:25 |
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| jacekowski | no | 16:25 |
| midas | did you had any connectivity? gps, gprs/hsdpa, fm, BT? | 16:25 |
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| jacekowski | with wall charger it finishes charging | 16:26 |
| jacekowski | with usb - no | 16:26 |
| javispedro | then i'd say the host isn't providing enough power. | 16:26 |
| jacekowski | it says 500mA | 16:26 |
| javispedro | test with a selfpowered hub | 16:26 |
| ZogG | jacekowski mplayer can play them | 16:26 |
| javispedro | who says 500mA? software, or amperimeter? | 16:26 |
| jacekowski | software | 16:27 |
| jacekowski | i'll try it with meter tomorrow | 16:27 |
| javispedro | or another hub. | 16:27 |
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| jacekowski | same thing happens on other laptop as well | 16:27 |
| javispedro | ah, laptops | 16:28 |
| nid0 | I often find the usb charger from a pc will "never finish charging" in that the charge light will be flashing orange forever | 16:28 |
| jacekowski | nid0: same here | 16:28 |
| nid0 | but the battery's sitting at 96% charged, and unplugging+replugging usb will bring up the green light | 16:28 |
| nid0 | just how it is | 16:28 |
| javispedro | I've never seen that | 16:28 |
| alterego | mine completes. irionically my laptop seems to be better with USB powered devices than my old deskotp. | 16:29 |
| nid0 | mine isnt always one way or the other, usually it does charge and go green as it should but its not uncommon for me to find it sitting at 96% battery and still blinking orange forever | 16:29 |
| * javispedro has been using a selfpowered hub since getting tired of this in the first days of USB, and i'd even say things were _better_ then | 16:30 | |
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| javispedro | they now even sell stupid underpowered selfpowered hubs.. | 16:30 |
| jacekowski | and i had a case when screen didn't returned to original position after a call | 16:31 |
| jacekowski | it was still rotated by 90 degrees | 16:31 |
| javispedro | that's known | 16:31 |
| javispedro | it didn't happen to me either :) but there are long stories about that on the www | 16:31 |
| ZogG | me is better than your laptop =P | 16:33 |
| ZogG | damn now installing on packages from beggining | 16:34 |
| ZogG | is there discussion on brainstorm to be able to select several programs for instalation? | 16:34 |
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| jacekowski | oh fff | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | ffs | 16:35 |
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| jacekowski | i've been trying to login to ovi for like 5 minutes now | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | with my e-mail instead of username | 16:35 |
| nid0 | ovi share needs work :( | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | why store can't remember that i've got n900 | 16:36 |
| jacekowski | it always shows me N97 stuff | 16:36 |
| nid0 | does the same for me too | 16:36 |
| nid0 | I think n900 inclusion in ovi is spotty at best atm, it isnt even listed as a device in the contacts/share sections | 16:37 |
| nid0 | I still have to keep them set to my old e90 | 16:37 |
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| arachnist | has anyone tried n900's media player with mediatomb upnp server? when i try to play music over it, it just says "Media format not supported" | 16:44 |
| arachnist | regardless of the file type | 16:44 |
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| nid0 | there seem to be various bugs with upnp streaming at the moment, iv not had any problems with audio but video streaming is basically fubar | 16:46 |
| alterego | cehteh: what's your rsync commancd line to do full root backup then? | 16:46 |
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| jacekowski | what i would really like is nice OTA sync | 16:48 |
| jacekowski | of everything | 16:48 |
| jacekowski | so i just click on something -> send to my n900 and it's there in couple seconds/minutes | 16:49 |
| jacekowski | depending if it's over wifi or gsm | 16:49 |
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| jacekowski | if phone isn't connected to internet at all it will be sent as soon as it is | 16:49 |
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| Jaffa | jacekowski: Like a 24-style "send it to my PDA" | 16:50 |
| alterego | Yeah, I've got something like that in the pipeline :) | 16:50 |
| cehteh | alterego: i show you later, not at the laptop right now | 16:50 |
| javispedro | ah, HotSync... | 16:50 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, ill gladly let chloe send stuff to any of my devices :D | 16:51 |
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| * cehteh ever wanted a nice distributed fs for that | 16:51 | |
| w00t_ | lcuk: worst. innuendo. ever. | 16:51 |
| w00t_ | :P | 16:51 |
| lcuk | wasnt innuendo | 16:51 |
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| cehteh | disconnected operation. store n copies for redundancy, move data where its needed | 16:52 |
| cehteh | bbl | 16:53 |
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| RST38h | remoo | 16:55 |
| RST38h | javis, your maemo_version computation thingie does not work in sb2 | 16:55 |
| javispedro | RST38h: argh. does the file exist? | 16:56 |
| RST38h | yes | 16:56 |
| RST38h | but sb2 has got some issues invoking cut | 16:56 |
| javispedro | and isn't that very, very, very weird. | 16:57 |
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| javispedro | well, if you're not interested in building for diablo just force that to 5 | 16:58 |
| RST38h | I did but it is hardly universal :) | 16:58 |
| javispedro | I cannot what the cut issue is about... | 16:59 |
| javispedro | *cannot imagine | 16:59 |
| javispedro | iiirc it's something very very stupid like cut -c1 < /etc/maemo_release | 17:00 |
| RST38h | well, sb2 -e lets me invoke it | 17:00 |
| alterego | If I flash the rootfs, will it leave all my settings intact? | 17:00 |
| alterego | Like contacts? | 17:00 |
| RST38h | but anything started with just sb2 does not | 17:01 |
| * javispedro looks at gnu make builtin functions... | 17:01 | |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: does OpenVG require it being rendered straight to screen or is it just 2d accel? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | like, draw into buffer | 17:01 |
| frals | Jaffa: when you built python-evolution, did you include the patches at https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/packages/evolution-python/trunk/debian/patches/?root=pymaemo ? | 17:01 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: it can render into an egl pbuffer much like gles | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: we might be able to use the 3d drivers for something sane then.. Qt4.6 has OpenVG support | 17:02 |
| javispedro | this reminds me to file the "fremantle openvg missing" bug... | 17:02 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | hey | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | what's the url for "how do i get 1.1.1 to update"? | 17:03 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: maybe you could use full path to cut? aka /usr/bin/cut | 17:06 |
| RST38h | yea | 17:06 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes javispedro | 17:07 | |
| jacekowski | oh | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | green light | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | over USB | 17:07 |
| * javispedro feels poken | 17:07 | |
| * RST38h kinda hoped SB/SB2 had default macros to determine maemo version | 17:07 | |
| jacekowski | after 18h of charging | 17:07 |
| RST38h | must be really bad karma | 17:07 |
| RST38h | charges in 4 hours or so, over USB | 17:07 |
| javispedro | RST38h: it has quite a lot of methods though, but all of them use cut somewhere along the computation =) | 17:08 |
| jacekowski | it charges to almost full pretty quickly | 17:08 |
| jacekowski | but last 1% takes forever | 17:08 |
| RST38h | calibrate | 17:08 |
| javispedro | pkg-config maemo-release-dev, version from the maemo-release pkg, the maemo_release file... | 17:08 |
| RST38h | No _WINDOWS in Maemo? :) | 17:08 |
| javispedro | there's a HILDON_VERSION define iirc | 17:09 |
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| RST38h | That should do the job | 17:11 |
| javispedro | not for the packaging... | 17:11 |
| RST38h | mhm | 17:12 |
| javispedro | and also, including hildon files in SDL apps is... fun :) | 17:12 |
| RST38h | no such macro in sb2 | 17:12 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-Versioning-Macros.html | 17:12 |
| * RST38h ready to release xchat with cehteh's plugin | 17:12 | |
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| pupnik | what service do you guys use for quick photo sharing? flickr insisted in merging my yahoo email with my flickr id | 17:14 |
| alterego | facebook here | 17:14 |
| range | pupnik: pi.pe via twitter or FB :) | 17:15 |
| range | If you mean "on the n900" | 17:15 |
| RST38h | picasa | 17:15 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: just create another yahoo account | 17:15 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: flickr never needs you to have it afterwards | 17:16 |
| pupnik | hmm k | 17:16 |
| javispedro | pupnik: hi | 17:16 |
| javispedro | pupnik: did you see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=539235&postcount=639 ? | 17:16 |
| pupnik | hiya | 17:16 |
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| antii | hello | 17:17 |
| alterego | Does picasa have google maps integration? :) | 17:17 |
| antii | any guide for making a clean install on my n900? | 17:17 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Cannot_install_firmware_update ? | 17:17 |
| pupnik | dope, javispedro | 17:17 |
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| crashanddie | I'm out! Talk later | 17:18 |
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| javispedro | cy c&d :) | 17:19 |
| RST38h | hello, RST38bis | 17:19 |
| javispedro | evil bis twin | 17:19 |
| RST38h | RST38bis: test | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: I can have him removed | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | just say the word | 17:19 |
| pupnik | my picture viewer has 300 empty thumbnails | 17:20 |
| pupnik | bbl | 17:20 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: ok, time's up | 17:20 |
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| RST38h | RST38bis: test | 17:21 |
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| RST38h | ok, plugin does not work | 17:21 |
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| antii | anyone?+ | 17:22 |
| alterego | Fine, I'll just backup my home directory .. | 17:24 |
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| javispedro | what's the plugin about, btw? | 17:25 |
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| RST38h | notifications with vibra and led | 17:26 |
| javispedro | ah, interesting | 17:26 |
| Wizzup | Is it normal that flasher uses 100% cpy? | 17:26 |
| Wizzup | cpu* | 17:26 |
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| batmanmen | http://tiny.cc/pSIOC | 17:26 |
| batmanmen | http://tiny.cc/pSIOC | 17:26 |
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| Wizzup | ah, now it works | 17:27 |
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| pupnik | who remembers how to manually force photo viewer to clear out deleted pictures? | 17:31 |
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| pupnik | i have hundreds deleted | 17:32 |
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| antii | i just bought a n900 and it has it latest firmware but how can i "clear all stuff" from the memory?? | 17:36 |
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| pupnik | stuff is vague | 17:36 |
| Arif_ | format it? | 17:38 |
| antii | Arif_: yes | 17:38 |
| antii | Arif_: how can I do that? | 17:38 |
| Arif_ | you mean the Mydocs folder or all your settings? | 17:39 |
| lcuk | antii, there are 2 flashing stages easily permissable from linux, one is the main reflash route which resets the rootfs | 17:39 |
| antii | all stuff | 17:39 |
| lcuk | and theres another flashing image for the eMMC | 17:39 |
| Arif_ | reflash both images (firmware and eMMC) | 17:39 |
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| antii | Arif_: ok | 17:39 |
| Arif_ | what lcuk said :P | 17:39 |
| antii | cause i have already latest firmware | 17:40 |
| antii | still necessary to flash firmware then? | 17:40 |
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| frals | what are you trying to get rid off exactly? ie did you buy a used one with lots of stuff installed? | 17:40 |
| lcuk | or take lots of compromising photographs | 17:41 |
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| antii | frals: yes, it got some stuff still :P | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | frals: No, it was a direct packaging from upstream. | 17:41 |
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| frals | Jaffa: ok, would you mind applying those patches? | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | frals: can you send me that link via email or something? irssi is being stupid and not properly wrapping URLs | 17:41 |
| frals | sure | 17:41 |
| frals | drop me your email in a pm please :) | 17:42 |
| antii | so do i have to "update" the os to then? | 17:43 |
| frals | easiest is to reflash the firmware as lcuk and Arif_ said | 17:43 |
| antii | frals: have any good guide for that? | 17:43 |
| frals | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | frals: I'll try to push a new version this evening | 17:44 |
| frals | Jaffa: much appreciated, ta :) | 17:44 |
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| antii | RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM this is latest? | 17:45 |
| Arif_ | no | 17:45 |
| Arif_ | 3.2010.02-8 | 17:45 |
| antii | ok, should I get the global release if i live in like sweden? | 17:45 |
| frals | jao | 17:46 |
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| Jaffa | Is the flashable image for PR1.1.1 been released? HAM isn't showing it in the UK/for me | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: you really should ditch the uk variant | 17:48 |
| SplasPood | heh, snap to grid is the greatest thing to happen to my N900 desktop ;) | 17:48 |
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| antii | frals: btw, that one is enough right? nothing more to download? | 17:50 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: I wasn't sure I had it. Device is from Finland and no region code in sources.list | 17:51 |
| frals | ive no idea, never reflashed mine :) if you wanna clear the emmc you need the emmc image as well i guess | 17:51 |
| Jaffa | SplasPood: Where fro? | 17:51 |
| antii | frals: whats the emmc doing? | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: dpkg -l should list your variant iirc? | 17:51 |
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| RST38h | RST38bis: test | 17:51 |
| SplasPood | Jaffa: I believe it's an undoc'd feature.. I installed 'Tweakr' which lets you enable/disable some of em | 17:51 |
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| lcuk | i took my desktop pc apart last night to replug in one of hard drives | 17:52 |
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| lcuk | i used the torch on n900 to light the way | 17:52 |
| lcuk | after i had reassembled the pc i wondered where my n900 was | 17:52 |
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| RST38h | RST38bis: test | 17:53 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: know which package? | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: i think it'd be the meta package | 17:53 |
| lcuk | and also wondered why there was some random light coming out of the grills | 17:53 |
| RST38h | no does not work | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | fremantle whatever | 17:53 |
| RST38h | cehteh: how is it supposed to work anyway? | 17:53 |
| SplasPood | Jaffa: however.... Battery died during the night and I just powered it back on and some of my widgets are MIA and things are acting a bit funky. so... beware | 17:53 |
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| cehteh | lol | 17:54 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: does it only work when device is locked/screen off? | 17:54 |
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| cehteh | yes partly | 17:54 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: That's what I guessed. Totally failing to find it | 17:55 |
| cehteh | dialogs when xchat has no focus | 17:55 |
| RST38bis | ok let us try | 17:55 |
| RST38h | cehteh: duplicates username, does not bring xchat into focus when dialog clicked | 17:55 |
| cehteh | RST38h: | 17:56 |
| RST38h | RST38bis: test | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38bis: cheese | 17:56 |
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| cehteh | i set 'ceh*' as extra hilite | 17:56 |
| RST38h | ok, works | 17:56 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: no way to do it the same way as messanging, by painting window over, until focus gets back in | 17:57 |
| cehteh | RST38h: i be at laptop in 3 minutes | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | could someone w/ 1.1.1 poke me? | 17:58 |
| RST38h | cehteh: only shows the first message | 17:58 |
| RST38h | cehteh: oh actually shows them all and makes you click through | 17:58 |
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| frals | lol lcuk | 17:59 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: This plugin will be a huge problem if someone floods you | 18:00 |
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| cehteh | RST38h: i didnt really expected you to review the code, but i thought you RTFM at least :P it has flood control | 18:02 |
| cehteh | and you can disable the dialogs with /notify_mode -d | 18:02 |
| * RST38h is just a stupid bovine | 18:03 | |
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| cehteh | i just left it enabled with all bells and whistles | 18:03 |
| RST38h | cehteh: how does flood control work, for bovines? | 18:03 |
| cehteh | it has a counter which counts down | 18:03 |
| * RST38h needs to understand wheth it is ok to leave all these whistels enabled in the package, by default | 18:04 | |
| cehteh | and every 'recovery_time' seconds its counts this counter up ... to a max | 18:04 |
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| cehteh | default is 5 messages, and 10 minutes recovers | 18:04 |
| RST38h | But if I send you a message each minute, I can still potentially create a shitload of dialogs? | 18:04 |
| cehteh | so one could flood you overnight with maybe 20 dialogs when he tries hard | 18:05 |
| cehteh | RST38bis is your n900? | 18:05 |
| RST38h | yes | 18:05 |
| cehteh | ok close the device | 18:05 |
| RST38h | done | 18:05 |
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| cehteh | now look | 18:06 |
| cehteh | there should be no more than 5 dialogs | 18:06 |
| RST38h | should I open it? | 18:06 |
| cehteh | yes | 18:06 |
| RST38h | 1 | 18:06 |
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| cehteh | whenever xchat gets focus the dialog throttling is set back | 18:07 |
| RST38h | cehteh: All right, let us release it onto unsuspecting maemo.org members and see what happens =) | 18:07 |
| cehteh | hehe | 18:07 |
| cehteh | i was thinking about disabling all and one has to enable it in .xchat2/maemo_notify.conf | 18:08 |
| cehteh | but that has poor discoverability and mostly i was just to lazy to change the code | 18:08 |
| RST38h | nobody will use it this way | 18:08 |
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| cehteh | if someone complains tell him to put 'maemo_notify -cp' there | 18:09 |
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| cehteh | this was as in the 'current way'? .. hey i use it this way :P | 18:09 |
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| konttori | somebody pinged me, but is not visible in my irc client log anymore | 18:09 |
| cehteh | one may add the other notification things .. like incoming mail with this yellow notes | 18:10 |
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| cehteh | but frankly i dont like that, i like the dialogs more | 18:10 |
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| cehteh | its fully configureable at least and comes with source :P ... | 18:11 |
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| konttori | hey, is there any information available of the n900 serial port? How difficult is it to create IR remote control support to the device? | 18:17 |
| konttori | (that you use an external IR remote control to skip songs and such) | 18:17 |
| cehteh | i thought you are the nokia guy here? :) | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: none public :/ people know what type of port it is but not which is which | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | and risk is frying your n900 :P | 18:18 |
| lcuk | konttori, dual n900 - bluetooth,wifi,adhoc etc | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | it was known on 770,n800,n810 so maybe one day | 18:19 |
| * cehteh wonders why they only put a ir sender into it not a tranceiver | 18:19 | |
| RST38h | konttori: you want to receive ir or send ir? | 18:19 |
| konttori | receive IR | 18:19 |
| jsa_ | I don't think it can receive, only transmit? | 18:19 |
| RST38h | konttori: afaik, has not been done yet | 18:19 |
| konttori | so that I can hook it up to my telly and use the mac remote control to control slideshow | 18:19 |
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| RST38h | konttori: lirc will do send but not receive | 18:20 |
| jsa_ | At least that's what I've heard on talk.. | 18:20 |
| konttori | ah, so no receive support on the chip then? | 18:20 |
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| cehteh | nobody knows | 18:20 |
| RST38h | konttori: that you should know better | 18:20 |
| RST38h | konttori: all we can tell here is that nobody has done it | 18:21 |
| konttori | well, I really haven't had to know anything about the IR port so far | 18:21 |
| konttori | ok, thanks. I'll ask inside next week then. | 18:21 |
| RST38h | konttori: lirc should be the source code you want to look at | 18:21 |
| konttori | if I find out anything, I'll try to add it to a wiki page. | 18:21 |
| RST38h | konttori: something is telling me it is not a serial port on n900 | 18:21 |
| lcuk | konttori, when your littlest grows up a little, you can get a human remote contorl :D | 18:21 |
| lcuk | "sweetie, turn the channel over for daddy" | 18:22 |
| konttori | true. handy! | 18:22 |
| cehteh | nokia is a bit burecratic and huge right? :) | 18:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk <-- exploits minors =) | 18:22 |
| lcuk | haha | 18:22 |
| timeless_mbp | cehteh: a bit?? | 18:22 |
| timeless_mbp | nah | 18:22 |
| cehteh | hehe | 18:23 |
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| lcuk | konttori, setup bluemaemo and use n900->n900 or some such combination | 18:24 |
| cehteh | this wlan powersaving really sux, takes 1-2 minutes until irc messages appear on the n900 when its not otherwise active on the net | 18:24 |
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| flux | cehteh, I'm gussing it's heavily dependant on your wlan AP as well | 18:27 |
| cehteh | yeah crappy old dlink here .. i will never buy dlink again | 18:28 |
| flux | cehteh, while you're at it you can upgrade to b/g/n too :) | 18:28 |
| flux | (too bad n900 doesn't support n, though ;-)) | 18:28 |
| cehteh | its g | 18:28 |
| cehteh | i want a :) | 18:28 |
| cehteh | n900 doesnt support a either :/ | 18:28 |
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| flux | I'm guessing a would have very little provisions for power saving modes.. | 18:31 |
| cehteh | well wlan is a pest here on my neighborhood .. there are more than 10 different nets | 18:31 |
| cehteh | a will give me some independence | 18:32 |
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| KamuiN900 | crap i want eap-fast | 18:36 |
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| Jaffa | hrw|gone: ping | 18:55 |
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| antii | im trying to start the phone with U-key + usbcable, but It doesent seem to work out :s | 19:00 |
| nid0 | in what way? | 19:05 |
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| * cehteh never needed the 'u' key | 19:07 | |
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| cehteh | nice reverse dns :P | 19:08 |
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| sobczyk | hi, I've set up SIP but it is not visible in contacts (like skype for phone calls) is it normal? | 19:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | sobczyk: what do you mean? | 19:15 |
| timeless_mbp | sobczyk: when i create a new contact, i have cell, mail, google talk, google talk, sip, skype | 19:15 |
| antii | nid0: if I wanna flash | 19:16 |
| antii | reflash | 19:16 |
| WZhang | N800 disassembly is not THAT easy lol, finally cleaned it completely :P | 19:16 |
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| sobczyk | timeless_mbp: when I go into contact detail page there is phone skype->phone but no sip | 19:17 |
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| sobczyk | nvm I figured it out | 19:20 |
| antii | nid0: dont work :s | 19:20 |
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| aphrek | Hi all | 19:23 |
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| aphrek | I'm thinking of upgrading my iPhone to the n900 , has anyone done this and do you have any pros/cons to pass on? | 19:24 |
| WZhang | Open OS | 19:25 |
| SpeedEvil | aphrek: never had an iphone. | 19:26 |
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| aphrek | How do you find the touch screen? | 19:27 |
| pupnik | it appears that photo tracker scans ALL media in MyDocs and mmc1 except for cities and a few other opt-out directories? woww | 19:28 |
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| pupnik | i guess that makes sense in the crazy new millennium | 19:29 |
| pupnik | put in cities too! put in everything! show us every x bitmap! show us every wallpaper! who cares | 19:30 |
| sobczyk | aphrek: the touch screen is ok though no multitouch | 19:31 |
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| pupnik | it is more precise | 19:31 |
| SplasPood | pupnik: oh geez | 19:31 |
| SplasPood | pupnik: I just noticed.. | 19:32 |
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| aphrek | sobczyk: Thats ok i can leave with that. I like the idea of thr n900 but im trying yo find a compelling case over the iphone | 19:32 |
| SplasPood | pupnik: I have the warcraft2 port installed, so all the freakin war2 media... | 19:32 |
| sobczyk | for one I love that I can write apps fast with python for the n900 | 19:32 |
| pupnik | you can add directories to ignore | 19:32 |
| SplasPood | pupnik: oh yea? Then I will. | 19:33 |
| sobczyk | but the community is smaller so less dedicated apps | 19:33 |
| aphrek | sobczyk: I've had an n95 in the past - is the n900 a totally different ball game? | 19:34 |
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| cehteh | grr .. one of the main advantages in resource consumption is that the n900 runs native apps .. and people only write python apps | 19:34 |
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| cehteh | well if people write apps .. i still wait for a ssh sharing plugin | 19:35 |
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| aphrek | Is maemo to stay with debian? | 19:35 |
| sobczyk | aphrek: software wise yes n900 -> linux OS, n95 symbian, I'dont know much about the n95 hardware but the n900 is performance wise like the new iphone gs | 19:35 |
| cehteh | you mean meego? | 19:35 |
| aphrek | Wow - so it's pretty nippy? | 19:36 |
| jacekowski | is there any navigation app avaliable for n900 | 19:36 |
| jacekowski | that sygic thing? is there any public beta, torrent, anything? | 19:36 |
| aphrek | And battery life good? | 19:36 |
| sobczyk | jacekowski: nokias ovi maps, though I've never used it | 19:36 |
| jacekowski | nope | 19:36 |
| jacekowski | there is no navigation in n900 ovi maps | 19:37 |
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| sobczyk | aphrek: I only had a simple phone (no smartphones before) but for me if it lasts till nigh it's ok :) | 19:39 |
| frals | cehteh: share via ssh? checked "sharing-plugin-cli"? | 19:39 |
| antii | hm, i did a reflash frals still got contacs and stuff | 19:40 |
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| cehteh | frals: where is that? | 19:41 |
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| frals | cehteh: garage.maemo.org, no package out yet afaik | 19:42 |
| cehteh | ah ok | 19:42 |
| sejo | in python how do you get the popup (so it slides up from the bottom?) | 19:42 |
| frals | but you just need to svn co it and you can build it right away | 19:42 |
| frals | (worked for me in sdk anyway) | 19:42 |
| pupnik | another crash. another session opening photoviewer and hey! lots of pictures i havent seen before, and blank thumbnails | 19:42 |
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| pupnik | "I have a great idea! lets crawl over 30+ gigabytes of flash memory picking up random pieces of media and throw thos at the user, slowly. We'll call it "photo viewer". | 19:44 |
| cehteh | 19:45 | |
| cehteh | No matches found for sharing-plugin-cli | 19:45 |
| cehteh | hmpf | 19:45 |
| Jaffa | Right, MWKN editorial on MeeGo done; time for the rest of t issue. | 19:45 |
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| cehteh | alterego: you wanted my backup script? | 19:46 |
| Jaffa | jacekowski: There's navigation in Ovi Maps, there's just no junction guidance | 19:46 |
| frals | cehteh: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/sharing-cli/ | 19:47 |
| pupnik | i appreciate mwkn jaffa | 19:47 |
| frals | my bad, no plugin in the name :< | 19:47 |
| cehteh | http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1804825 .. crude personal hack .. but you get how it works | 19:47 |
| cehteh | frals: thanks | 19:47 |
| * cehteh is not used to garage | 19:47 | |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: btw, the ui/layout is nice | 19:48 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: timeless_mbp: ta :-) | 19:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | frals: is that an sftp sharing? | 19:49 |
| frals | its for anything commandline based afaik | 19:49 |
| SplasPood | looks like no code released | 19:49 |
| SplasPood | it's just a new project.. | 19:49 |
| frals | there is in the scm repo | 19:49 |
| cehteh | timeless: looks rather like a generic one | 19:49 |
| frals | just git clone and build | 19:49 |
| cehteh | well does it ask for a passphrase? | 19:50 |
| cehteh | i dont want a unlocked ssh key on my phone | 19:50 |
| SplasPood | frals: doin it | 19:50 |
| frals | cehteh: dunno, never tried it, just looked at the source to figure out how to make my sharing-fmms service :P | 19:50 |
| cehteh | maybe i just sshfs my server and doing 'cp' then | 19:50 |
| cehteh | btw is the sshfs community packaged? .. i had to configure udev for making it useable for 'user' | 19:51 |
| cehteh | just a little thing which could be added to that package | 19:51 |
| antii | frals: whooh, succeeded with my flashing :-) | 19:52 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: ? | 19:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://mwkn.net/2010/07/community.html why does {user:vdvsc} not appear usefully? | 19:55 |
| * AntiXpucT want zsh-4.3.10 and Psi+ packages for maemo. >_< | 19:56 | |
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| pupnik | whats psi? | 19:58 |
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| pupnik | i want quivder or gqview now. photos can jump in a lake | 19:58 |
| pupnik | quiver | 19:58 |
| SplasPood | pupnik: XMPP client | 19:59 |
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| sobczyk | I would like more maemo screens had the rotate capability | 20:00 |
| * N900evil ponders simply copying / to /mmc - to elimin all space concerns. | 20:02 | |
| pupnik | hehe my gqview is a catastrophe | 20:03 |
| pupnik | runs tho. nice basic compatibility. | 20:03 |
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| cehteh | N900evil: my saying .. the NAND should have a readonly base system which will be shadowed by a unionfs, privoted, overmounted or whatever | 20:04 |
| red | pupnik: gqview? | 20:05 |
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| cehteh | would be almost bullet proof and solve this crappy partitioning scheme | 20:05 |
| pupnik | if it is so easy write up a howto cehteh | 20:07 |
| cehteh | pupnik: thats something nokia should have done | 20:07 |
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| cehteh | (the partitioning, not the howto) | 20:08 |
| pupnik | red - my favorite image viewer. needs some hildon lovin | 20:08 |
| cehteh | look at eeepc's and olpc .. they do that right at least | 20:08 |
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| cehteh | gqview is nice btw | 20:08 |
| N900evil | cehteh, prolly sane | 20:08 |
| N900evil | cet like xandros. | 20:08 |
| pupnik | i am impressed that the stock program is sort of usable. deb on my site | 20:09 |
| N900evil | The aformentioned copying lags badly. | 20:09 |
| cehteh | have a boot option to reset the device to factory default yet alone would solve a lot issues and support which costs nokia | 20:09 |
| cehteh | i hope they get that right with meego at least | 20:10 |
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| N900evil | as an alternative - always boot from sd if formatted rikght. | 20:13 |
| pupnik | there is a dual boot mer now, yes? | 20:13 |
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| cehteh | i want a useable camera .. which can store on SD .. grr | 20:14 |
| cehteh | cool -- you can sshfs mount under /media/ and it will show up in file manager | 20:14 |
| lcuk | pupnik, kot wants good image viewer on maemo too | 20:15 |
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| cehteh | now the question: how to unmount a sshfs as 'user' | 20:16 |
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| cehteh | fusermount -u /media/laptop/ | 20:16 |
| cehteh | mount: can't find /media/laptop in /etc/fstab | 20:16 |
| cehteh | pff | 20:16 |
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| * N900evil installs gcc and shit onto /copy | 20:21 | |
| cehteh | hehe .. i want a sdk in a chroot on the sdcard .. do you know a easy ways to booststrap it without debootstrap? | 20:22 |
| cehteh | (maybe just rsyncing the sdk over there) | 20:22 |
| cehteh | hey with installing a sdk everywhere i can use it with distcc .. *thinking* | 20:23 |
| cehteh | a cluster of n900! :P | 20:23 |
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| Zoup | tealbird,SpeedEvil : its hardware fault, dd exited with Input/Output error, after reflash badblocks do still exist | 20:26 |
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| sobczyk | I wanteg to install fennec but when doing apt-get install fennec I get E: Handler silently failed, any idea what could happened? | 20:29 |
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| lbt | ok, how the hell does the N900 resolv ? | 20:36 |
| lbt | echo nameserver 10.0.0.7 > /etc/resolv.conf | 20:36 |
| lbt | ping 10.0.0.7 is good | 20:36 |
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| lbt | but ping <name> fails to resolv using 10.0.0.7 | 20:37 |
| sobczyk | try to comment the localhost, it worked for me | 20:37 |
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| Zoup | lbt: seems you are alreadt overwriting resolv.conf3 | 20:37 |
| lbt | I setup openvpn | 20:38 |
| lbt | and that's all fine | 20:38 |
| Zoup | lbt: i can't see why its not working, but it should be on network side of story | 20:38 |
| lbt | yeah - it has dnsmasq running too | 20:38 |
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| Zoup | lbt: you tcpdump to see if you are receiving anything on both sides | 20:38 |
| Zoup | lbt: *use | 20:39 |
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| lbt | Zoup: thanks... | 20:43 |
| lbt | I setup my DNS to only reply to my LAN - and the openVPN is on another /net | 20:44 |
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| lbt | tcpdump port 53 : 18:44:31.380488 IP elm.dgreaves.com.domain > 10.20.20.6.22500: 59564 Refused- 0/0/0 (32) | 20:44 |
| lbt | jobs | 20:45 |
| lbt | oops - bad focus :) | 20:45 |
| Zoup | lbt: 'refused' means dns issue, probably disallowed by ip range | 20:48 |
| lbt | yes - I was using ACLs and allow-query | 20:48 |
| Zoup | lbt: is it fixed then? great! | 20:48 |
| lbt | yeah, should be | 20:49 |
| Zoup | lbt: can i have a question now? :)) | 20:49 |
| lbt | sure | 20:49 |
| Zoup | lbt: can you setup openvpn client with random ip address to connect to openvpn server with static ip? | 20:49 |
| lbt | yes | 20:49 |
| lbt | that's what I just did | 20:49 |
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| Zoup | lbt: can you post your config file ( remove sensitive info ) to pastebin for me? | 20:50 |
| lbt | OK - but you may be better following this: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html | 20:50 |
| lbt | since you need to setup certs and the like | 20:51 |
| lbt | is your static box linux? | 20:51 |
| Zoup | lbt: yes :) | 20:51 |
| lbt | OK - so I was nervous about the /build-ca type stuff | 20:51 |
| Zoup | lbt: got the openvpn server running there, have no idea on how to allow dynamic client ip address and possible authentication method | 20:51 |
| lbt | but actually the easy-rsa is simple | 20:52 |
| lbt | so essentially you create a self-CA | 20:52 |
| lbt | you then create a server cert | 20:52 |
| lbt | and a client cert | 20:52 |
| lbt | you sign both using the CA | 20:52 |
| lbt | the server knows the client was signed by the CA | 20:52 |
| lbt | the client knows the server is real and not spoofed | 20:53 |
| Zoup | lbt: i see, nice! thanks pal | 20:53 |
| lbt | np - yell if you get stuck | 20:53 |
| Zoup | lbt: sure | 20:53 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: s/ta/thank you/ (northern England slang). {user:vdvsc} doesn't appear usefully as it's a typo | 21:03 |
| * timeless_mbp recognizes 'ta' | 21:04 | |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: does that mean it's fixed? | 21:06 |
| Shapeshifter | what can I use instead of xev to find out keycodes on the n900 keyboard, and whats the best way of remapping them? | 21:07 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Will fix manually and try and improve the error handling | 21:08 |
| V13 | It seems that there *are* people that don't understand in t.m.o and they are gathered in this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=539923 | 21:09 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Do you understand t.m.o? | 21:10 |
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| hrw|gone | Jaffa: pong | 21:18 |
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| hrw | Shapeshifter: I used xev ;) | 21:20 |
| hrw | Shapeshifter: and then you can use xmodmap or alter system keymap | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | hrw: Was about the update repo | 21:23 |
| hrw | ok | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I sometimes wonder. | 21:23 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: btw - you have mp-fremantle-generic-pr in which version on tablet? | 21:26 |
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| Jaffa | hrw: Hmm, apparently it's been purged. | 21:28 |
| hrw | Jaffa: ha! | 21:30 |
| hrw | Jaffa: install it then | 21:30 |
| fnordianslip | hrw, Jaffa, mine went when i installed the upadte to hildon-initscripts which had been held back | 21:30 |
| hrw | fnordianslip: and you use my 'system-updates' repo? | 21:31 |
| fnordianslip | nope. | 21:31 |
| hrw | k | 21:32 |
| hrw | erikOH: Unable to find a source package for modest-l10n | 21:36 |
| hrw | sorry erikOH | 21:36 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia badly for Error: Unable to find a source package for modest-l10n | 21:36 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia badly for Error: Unable to find a source package for modest-l10n ! | 21:36 |
| hrw | Jaffa: I will not add timeless's patch to modest package | 21:36 |
| hrw | Jaffa: it will look bad in !en_GB systems | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: the strings should be public in 1.2 | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | but that won't help | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | because i didn't translate it for everyone | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | because the strings aren't in the svn repo | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | or git or whatever | 21:37 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: nokia suxx when it comes to software | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | s/software/process/ | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | software is merely a consequence :) | 21:38 |
| hrw | if something can be done wrong they did it twice at least | 21:38 |
| * timeless_mbp goes back to merging l10n strings for 1.2 | 21:38 | |
| * timeless_mbp wonders what the heck this means | 21:38 | |
| hrw | I have to report modest bug... but it will get wontfix or will get ignored (which is equal anyway) | 21:39 |
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| lbt | does anyone play streaming music on device? The player doesn't allow multi-tasking... | 21:40 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 21:40 | |
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| hrw | lbt: last time when I was lsitening to stream it worked fine | 21:40 |
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| lbt | it works | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | is it bad that Ballmer pronounces 'nokia' as 'knock-eeya' | 21:41 |
| lbt | but you can't switch to desktop | 21:41 |
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| range | I can while streaming from an UPNP server. | 21:42 |
| lbt | instead of "no kee-aah" | 21:42 |
| lbt | range: launched from browser? | 21:42 |
| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/shots/Screenshot-20100220-135323.png is list of messages. http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/shots/Screenshot-20100220-135330.png is email. where from did Modest took first two emails in maillist? | 21:42 |
| range | No, from within the media player. | 21:42 |
| antii | hm, want last.fm but cant find it in application manager, what do I have to do? | 21:42 |
| lbt | yeah - that's OK too | 21:42 |
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| hrw | antii: vagalume | 21:43 |
| range | The music lives on my streaming server. And that works (or what do you mean with stream?) | 21:43 |
| antii | hrw: works with music player? | 21:44 |
| hrw | antii: it is separate | 21:44 |
| antii | ok | 21:44 |
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| hrw | timeless_mbp: can you share modest-l10n-plpl package for 1.2 release? | 21:45 |
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| lbt | I'm clicking on an m3u from MythTV | 21:46 |
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| V13 | please tell me that I'm not crazy and that they are just too bored to read the thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=539990#post539990 | 21:47 |
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| midas | 21:52 | |
| range | lbt: Works fine for me too. I just opened an m3u from the web | 21:52 |
| midas | fucking irssi, keeps redrawing | 21:52 |
| hrw | bug #9199 | 21:52 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9199 Message list shows incorrect entries | 21:52 |
| lbt | range: it works... but can you switch to the desktop | 21:52 |
| range | Yes. | 21:52 |
| range | And the music keeps playing. | 21:52 |
| lbt | odd | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=539996 <- how long till that guy loses his newly gained job? | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | (i do admire his passion but..) | 21:53 |
| midas | Stskeeps: communications engineer + that topic. Win | 21:54 |
| range | Stskeeps: As long as he keeps his fingers close to him while under an NDA ... :) | 21:54 |
| range | And doesn't talk about it, that means. | 21:54 |
| antii | Anyone know how I can change the unicode in the terminal? :) | 21:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: his spelling sucks | 21:55 |
| pupnik | nobody tell him to spell it "lose" not "loose hope" | 21:55 |
| pupnik | heh | 21:55 |
| antii | it does only say "en_US" in the terminal if i write locale, shoudlt it say en_US.UTF-8? | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: that doesn't stop people from being employed however, looking at nokia l10n :P | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: I was about to come up with a witty comment on that :) | 21:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: you're assuming we employ l10n people | 21:56 |
| pupnik | enthusiasm is good though | 21:57 |
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| antii | i did the export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" command and it changed but how can I save that? | 21:57 |
| pupnik | one can only say how wonderful these are a certain number of times though | 21:58 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: s/employ/employ, subcontract, hold as slaves/g | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | th0br0: re meeting, http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-February/000408.html | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: but does his arabic spelling suck - forex. | 21:59 |
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| * SpeedEvil updates profile pic with the aid of meegos.com . | 22:00 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/image.php?u=24189&dateline=1266774358&type=profile | 22:00 |
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| hrw | timeless_mbp: I remember discussion with someone @nokia long time ago about Polish translation for Diablo. answer was 'we do not accept l10n from users. we have professionals for l10n' blablalblabla-get-off-sucker-blablabla | 22:00 |
| * timeless_mbp rotfl | 22:00 | |
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| pupnik | do you guys have any real life aquaintences with N900s? | 22:02 |
| pupnik | the tablets have always felt like a parallel world to me | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but it's difficult to not have that in the circles i am in | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | P | 22:02 |
| thresh | uhm, what does that exactly mean pupnik? | 22:04 |
| pupnik | i go to linuxtag or maemo summit and fosdem and see tablets. never in germany normally | 22:04 |
| pupnik | world domination now! | 22:05 |
| pupnik | kind of like with thinkpads | 22:05 |
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| frals | pupnik: ive yet to see any n900 in the "wild" here in .se | 22:06 |
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| timoph | saw a bunch yesterday at our class reunion ) | 22:06 |
| pupnik | i try to dress nice and strike poses with it :) | 22:06 |
| range | pupnik: I've seen one on the train. Well. Guy is a linux nut working for Suse, it turns out :) | 22:07 |
| pupnik | hehe | 22:07 |
| lcuk | whilst i was leeching power from the nokia store yesterday in manchester someone bought one (at least i think they did they were looking at them and talking with salesperson, went to counter with person and walked out with bag) | 22:07 |
| timoph | all the people there were software engineers thought :) | 22:07 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, a message of "no initfs \o/" when booting an N900's not exactly good. | 22:07 |
| lcuk | jaffa, you in rd mode | 22:08 |
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| lbt | nice message though | 22:08 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Yeah, but I never noticed it before (since we do have an initfs) and the boot was taking longer | 22:08 |
| Jaffa | Fortunately, it seems fine now | 22:08 |
| Jaffa | Post-upgrade panic :) | 22:08 |
| lbt | range: same url over wifi vs openvpn/gprs works fine. I think the really slow connection was preventing it from finishing the UI | 22:09 |
| frals | gah, too much good hockeygames tonight, wont have time to sleep :( now rus-cz, then usa-can and tomorrow mornin fin-swe :< | 22:10 |
| pupnik | isnt 40MB more free space than pr1.1.1 really needs? | 22:10 |
| timoph | what time fin-swe begins? | 22:10 |
| midas | frals: if you dont mind downloading them, most hockey games are posted on usenet | 22:10 |
| frals | 0600 in .se | 22:10 |
| frals | midas: gotta watch them live ;-) | 22:11 |
| timoph | so that's 0700 .fi | 22:11 |
| frals | timoph: yeah | 22:11 |
| javispedro | I once saw a n900 owner wishfully trying to upgrade his n900 to pr1.1 ... on public street. | 22:11 |
| flipouk | PyQt or PySide??? | 22:11 |
| midas | javispedro: id do that | 22:11 |
| range | lbt: Okay, I only tested via Wifi. | 22:11 |
| V13 | javispedro: I originally had the thought of upgrading it before going to work :) | 22:12 |
| javispedro | poor souls :) | 22:13 |
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| guerby | hi, is there a way on a N900 to monitor what process is sending out packets to the internet over 2G or 3G? | 22:15 |
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| pupnik | netstat ? | 22:16 |
| pupnik | maybe netstat -ant | 22:17 |
| javispedro | ah, so Deblet is back | 22:17 |
| guerby | pupnik, if a process open, send/receive then close a socket, netstat will miss it right? | 22:18 |
| pupnik | i think so | 22:18 |
| N900evil | tcpdump | 22:19 |
| N900evil | tcpick | 22:19 |
| V13 | Any idea on why t.m.o. doesn't support 800x480 image attachments? | 22:20 |
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| midas | any idea when n900 will support mms? :P | 22:22 |
| hrw | midas: fmms kind of supports it iirc | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | fmms is work in progress, and doing extremely well ! | 22:23 |
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| midas | lcuk: hrw thnx :) will install it | 22:24 |
| lcuk | hrw, feels much better saying something is in progress than a blanket doesnt support it. community collaboration ftw | 22:24 |
| * lcuk smiels @ frals | 22:24 | |
| lcuk | smiles even | 22:25 |
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| midas | is it in extra's? | 22:25 |
| * frals smells lcuk | 22:25 | |
| lcuk | not yet midas | 22:26 |
| frals | extras-devel for now ;-) | 22:26 |
| midas | ah okay | 22:26 |
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| midas | ill wait for it to be in extra then ;) | 22:26 |
| hrw | lcuk: I would like to get opntion to be able to send 1K text message directly from conversations as mms instead of set of sms-es | 22:26 |
| konttori | wohoo! THeme maker now has the new cool pr1.2 input method buttons | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | hrw, one step at a time! | 22:27 |
| hrw | konttori: last time when I looked at thememaker it required to make big image with all images + template how to cut them. Or I did not understood how it works. | 22:27 |
| lcuk | w00t konttori | 22:27 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: ? | 22:27 |
| w00t_ | oh.. | 22:27 |
| * w00t_ grumbles | 22:28 | |
| Jaffa | konttori: What are the "new cool PR1.2 input method buttons"? ;-) | 22:29 |
| hrw | and when pr1.2 for people? :D | 22:31 |
| V13 | Jaff means: where are the screenshots of the new cool PR1.2 input method buttons? | 22:31 |
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| pupnik | i am excited for javispedros sdl hildon input method | 22:34 |
| konttori | hrw: that's how it works. | 22:36 |
| konttori | pupnik: cool. Where? demo? | 22:36 |
| pupnik | javis showed a screeny here in chat | 22:37 |
| pupnik | he are hero :) | 22:37 |
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| konttori | pupnik, any link? | 22:39 |
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| konttori | N900evil: did you get 3 stars in all? | 22:51 |
| N900evil | I was outside doing some tidying. | 22:51 |
| N900evil | and I heard a red bird. | 22:51 |
| N900evil | konttori, yes, all 63 | 22:52 |
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| pta0007 | hi, its me again. I still cant find a solution for the camera promblem | 22:53 |
| konttori | so, you have the level pack as well | 22:53 |
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| pta0007 | now i repeat my question, hoping anyone could help | 22:53 |
| pta0007 | I have a problem when trying to run the example_camera.c on n900. I could compile the program correctly, but when I tried to run it on device, it showed "Failed to initialize pipeline ". The following is part of the code: #ifdef __arm__ #define VIDEO_SRC "v4l2camsrc" #define VIDEO_SINK "xvimagesink" #else #define VIDEO_SRC "videotestsrc" #define VIDEO_SINK "ximagesink" #endif | 22:53 |
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| N900evil | konttori, yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss | 22:55 |
| N900evil | hmm | 22:55 |
| microlith | hmm | 22:55 |
| N900evil | stuck | 22:55 |
| N900evil | konttori, waiting for it to get back to store sp ! can buy | 22:55 |
| konttori | I really hope it gets there soon | 22:56 |
| pupnik | ordering pizza is like one of those little things you can do when holed up in hospital :) | 22:58 |
| N900evil | You're in hospital? | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | he had a heart attack when his N900's USB port broke | 23:02 |
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| midas | is there a remote desktop tool for windows yet? like tsclient? | 23:07 |
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| jacekowski | yeah | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | rdesktop | 23:07 |
| lcuk | konttori, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=539235#post539235 javis's dosbox + input methods | 23:08 |
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| midas | jacekowski: is it in extra-devel? | 23:09 |
| timeless_mbp | hey | 23:10 |
| timeless_mbp | does modest support moving messages from one folder to another? | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Yes | 23:11 |
| timeless_mbp | how? | 23:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | i can't figure out how to do it in MfE or POP | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | midas: don't know | 23:12 |
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| antii | I wanna save my ( export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" ) setting but when I close the terminal it dissapears so I have to re enter it. | 23:34 |
| pupnik | .profile ? | 23:35 |
| antii | I just add it there? | 23:37 |
| pupnik | i dunno - try it | 23:37 |
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| antii | thx it worked pupnik | 23:43 |
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