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| cehteh | http://bip.t1r.net/ ++ ... irc bouncer which allows one to share a connection on multiple clients | 00:03 |
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| red | damn | 00:09 |
| red | javispedro needs to add turbokey support to dr noksnes | 00:09 |
| red | or a way to slow the actual game, not just fpa | 00:09 |
| red | fps | 00:09 |
| red | impossible to beat soda guzzling in chrono trigger cause n900 cant register keytaps fast enough heh | 00:10 |
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| red | piss easy on snes but cant get more than 3 on n900 x) | 00:10 |
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| cehteh | hmpf ... with listening webradio you can kill the battery in 4 hours | 00:11 |
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| lcuk | cehteh, mm? | 00:11 |
| cehteh | (and doing some other stuff) | 00:11 |
| lcuk | listening via what method? | 00:11 |
| lcuk | browser+flash? | 00:11 |
| cehteh | mediaplayer aac 64k stream | 00:11 |
| lcuk | or normal | 00:11 |
| lcuk | mm screen alive? | 00:12 |
| cehteh | not all time, well i was working on setting up new bouncer and xchat | 00:12 |
| lcuk | it sounds more like powersaving features on wifi actually | 00:12 |
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| cehteh | having wifi powersaving on average not max because thats unreliabe | 00:13 |
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| lcuk | cehteh, is this the first time you have tried it | 00:13 |
| cehteh | but when not listening webradio, just leaving wlan/irc/skype connected it would last quite long | 00:13 |
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| cehteh | usually i leave it plugged in the charger when i can | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | you are like me | 00:14 |
| lcuk | ive gotten lazy recently | 00:15 |
| cehteh | heh | 00:15 |
| cehteh | i just want to test it this time | 00:15 |
| lcuk | i just top em up when i notice | 00:15 |
| lcuk | and neither have died | 00:15 |
| cehteh | its now at 20% | 00:15 |
| ShadowJK | how is that lazy? | 00:16 |
| cehteh | is there some way to query the dsp load? | 00:16 |
| lcuk | i was playin music all day on mine actually | 00:16 |
| lcuk | i only realised it wasnt plugged in when i went out | 00:16 |
| ShadowJK | n900 doesn't use dsp for audio | 00:16 |
| cehteh | i would like to know which codec is most power friendly | 00:16 |
| cehteh | ah | 00:16 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, i used to just sit down and plug in | 00:16 |
| cehteh | i thought it does with the mediaplayer | 00:16 |
| lcuk | but dropping 2 phones down i cant be arsed | 00:17 |
| lcuk | the wires are messy | 00:17 |
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| ShadowJK | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/ | 00:17 |
| cehteh | yes i know that | 00:17 |
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| cehteh | mp3 has dropouts ... | 00:21 |
| cehteh | intresting how all codecs sound differently :P | 00:21 |
| cehteh | (at low bandwidth) | 00:22 |
| cehteh | each had differnt kinds of artifacts | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 00:22 |
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| * SpeedEvil stabs mp2. | 00:22 | |
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| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting | 00:24 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:25 |
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| cehteh | 128k aac sounds really good at least .. | 00:25 |
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| cehteh | the downside when you listen with a good headphone is that you notice crappy encoding | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - mp2 tho :/ | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a lovely DAB radio - it suffers from the transmission somewhat | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | As in 13h battery life on _LOUD_ - water and dustproof, droppable. | 00:27 |
| cehteh | well 128k aac is now at 35-45% cpu @250mhz | 00:27 |
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| cehteh | if its 64k or 128k makes no much difference on cpu load | 00:30 |
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| simula_ | does anyone know if the cpp-dev package has been optified? | 00:42 |
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| jebba | gah, i need the pr1.1 zImage.... | 00:43 |
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| cehteh | does the n900 beep, blink or something like that when battery goes low? here i never seen that | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | cehteh, does for me | 00:47 |
| Unksi | cehteh havent notice any behaviour like that | 00:47 |
| cehteh | lcuk: when? at the first warning/red bar on the battery or later? | 00:48 |
| simula_ | ahhh, i see that the cpp dev tools are designed for the sdk environment and won't be optified :P | 00:48 |
| lcuk | then its about to die | 00:48 |
| lcuk | and every few minutes | 00:48 |
| lcuk | until it actually makes one final last gasp attempt | 00:48 |
| lcuk | and tells you to recharge IMMEDIATELY | 00:48 |
| lcuk | and then dies | 00:48 |
| cehteh | maybe because i disabled system sounds | 00:48 |
| lcuk | that seems likely | 00:48 |
| Unksi | could be, i have them disabled as well | 00:49 |
| lcuk | but it has banners | 00:49 |
| lcuk | its a strange noise tho | 00:49 |
| lcuk | like a wounded animal | 00:49 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders how many people have a 'ping' command that they use when they lose the phone, but it responds to pings | 00:49 | |
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| Corsac | SpeedEvil: which replies with gps coordinates | 00:49 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, commonly i just ring it | 00:49 |
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| cehteh | arrg system sounds are annoying | 00:50 |
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| cehteh | there should be a difference between warnings and noisce | 00:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah. warnings should all have monster noises from DOOM II. | 00:51 |
| cehteh | or just good old 'beep' | 00:52 |
| cehteh | but not woosh, zzzip, fuuuppf, brrmg | 00:52 |
| lcuk | whaaa haaa is my phone in here, i just heard it? | 00:53 |
| AntiXpucT | hmmm... anybody knows, if maemo will work fine with Debian testing repo? ;) | 00:54 |
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| villager | AntiXpucT: well, considering it doesn't even work with stable... | 00:55 |
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| AntiXpucT | :( | 00:56 |
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| cehteh | best way to drain the battery is angry birds at least | 01:00 |
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| * Wizzup wishes firefox mobile had a flashblock extension | 01:02 | |
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| cehteh | is it usable meanwhile? | 01:02 |
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| Wizzup | what,firefox? | 01:03 |
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| cehteh | yes | 01:04 |
| cehteh | i mean as in compareable performance to microb | 01:04 |
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| Wizzup | I use it often. It is a bit less responsive but I like it more | 01:04 |
| Wizzup | Once it is started, it's pretty good | 01:05 |
| gouverneur | cehteh: plugging in usb to charge helps to drain aswell... | 01:05 |
| Wizzup | The awesome bar is a bit slow, but it has always has been | 01:05 |
| cehteh | gouverneur: huh? | 01:05 |
| gouverneur | the charging bug is still unverified... | 01:05 |
| Lunixed | noob question ? whats maemo? where is the faq page for the ultimate beginners ? | 01:05 |
| cehteh | gouverneur: i had no problems with that | 01:05 |
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| cehteh | my first device actually had a broken charger and i had to charge via usb | 01:06 |
| Wizzup | cehteh: It's a lot faster when it's actually started | 01:07 |
| gouverneur | cehteh: it doesnt charge enough with usb, what it did a while ago, maybe I just reflash and start all over again... device discharges when full and plugged to wall-charger | 01:07 |
| Lunixed | is it like a VM ? like we can emulate phone softs and can make phone softs using maemo ? | 01:07 |
| cehteh | gouverneur: you have to ensure that the charing led blinking and it tells that its charging | 01:08 |
| cehteh | sometimes it fails to recognize the usb cable | 01:08 |
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| cehteh | then just replug | 01:08 |
| gouverneur | Lunixed: maemo is an OS based on Debian 3 and is a full blown linux running on mobile devices by nokia | 01:08 |
| Lunixed | which all devicec it suports ? | 01:09 |
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| gouverneur | cehteh: had it as charging only, and ran out of battery within minutes | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Lunixed: only the ones it comes on normally | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Lunixed: n770, n800,n810,n900 | 01:09 |
| cehteh | strange never happend to me | 01:09 |
| gouverneur | Lunixed: Nxxx | 01:09 |
| Lunixed | ok ... | 01:09 |
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| Lunixed | is there an SDK of it, so we cna develope softwares for it ? | 01:10 |
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| Lunixed | in our native computer ? | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Lunixed: yes | 01:10 |
| gouverneur | cehteh: just happend a few minutes ago... wifi and gsm on nothing running in background | 01:10 |
| cehteh | mhm | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | gouverneur: GSM data transferring? | 01:10 |
| cehteh | its known that the device can draw more power than usb can provide | 01:11 |
| gouverneur | SpeedEvil: you are kidding? wifi on + gprs/edge/umts? | 01:11 |
| cehteh | but only in burst situations .. while booting, 3g, whatever | 01:11 |
| gouverneur | what for | 01:11 |
| SpeedEvil | gouverneur: hmm - true - the defauklt software doesn't do that. | 01:12 |
| cehteh | and the device has to acknowledge usb with the host to be able to get enough current | 01:12 |
| cehteh | if that fails then its barely not charging (100ma) | 01:12 |
| cehteh | if even | 01:12 |
| Lunixed | so now what developement is going on in maemo community ? the core code of the sdk, platform or something new based on the SDK ? | 01:12 |
| gouverneur | cehteh: shown current is 500mA | 01:12 |
| cehteh | where shown? | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | gouverneur: I could see it just about outrunning the charger if it's - say - bridging wifi to 3g - actively - with display on | 01:12 |
| gouverneur | Lunixed: would you mind to read maemo.org? | 01:13 |
| cehteh | mhm i am now at 0mah and still no warning ... | 01:13 |
| cehteh | prolly a good time to let it reset the counter | 01:13 |
| Lunixed | Well , sorry but what I understood was , everyone creating new cool aaps using the SDK | 01:14 |
| * cehteh playing angry birds to get the battery down | 01:14 | |
| gouverneur | SpeedEvil: I just tried with empty batt again and even turned off active connections like IM | 01:14 |
| gouverneur | Lunixed: true | 01:14 |
| gouverneur | cehteh: lshal | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | gouverneur: :/ | 01:14 |
| Lunixed | nice gouverneur , thanks for help, I am looking forward to it :) | 01:14 |
| cehteh | gouverneur: i know | 01:14 |
| cehteh | ah now i got a bing | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | For that web 2.0 mobile-web experience! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Domain-Name-sporadic-web-com_W0QQitemZ190374009771QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Services?hash=item2c532cdbab | 01:15 |
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| gouverneur | cehteh: transfering files to 1st and 2nd flash-device helped me *bing* the batt | 01:16 |
| cehteh | flash needs power :) | 01:16 |
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| gouverneur | well it does but it should be able to charge with running flash, and it does if the device is turned off | 01:17 |
| cehteh | works for me | 01:17 |
| cehteh | was that transient or always for you? | 01:17 |
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| gouverneur | cehteh: maybe I should reflash, and try again | 01:18 |
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| cehteh | how should reflash help there? did you tweaked a lot? | 01:18 |
| gouverneur | when I got the device it was charging from usb, then I recognized that it discharged while on wall-charger and after that it didnt charge enough from usb... | 01:19 |
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| cehteh | battery.charge_level.percentage = 0 (0x0) (int) | 01:20 |
| * GeneralAntilles bangs head on wall at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457307 | 01:20 | |
| povbot | Bug 457307: was not found. | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | RESOLVED FIXED (for certain values of FIXED) | 01:20 |
| cehteh | rofl | 01:21 |
| gouverneur | cehteh: no tweaks yet, I installed some software, some from testing, one from devel... what I did... was I plugged the 2nd flash | 01:21 |
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| gouverneur | maybe its the flash card.... | 01:21 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, extras-devel IS for nightlies | 01:22 |
| gouverneur | but that does not explain why it is discharging the batt while on wall-charger | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, please not the timestamp on the comment, thanks. | 01:22 |
| lcuk | its for anytime a project would like to share binaries with developers | 01:22 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:23 |
| lcuk | i was more shocked at the high bug number | 01:23 |
| lcuk | you normally post maemo ones ;) | 01:23 |
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| cehteh | gouverneur: the device essentially runs from battery, always even if plugged into charger | 01:23 |
| cehteh | you cant run it without battery | 01:24 |
| gouverneur | but it shouldnt discharge, should it? | 01:24 |
| cehteh | yes it does | 01:24 |
| cehteh | liion doesnt like trickle charge | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the comment is from 2008, there was no -testing open then and Extras-devel wouldn't have been appropriate for nightlies. | 01:24 |
| cehteh | so it runs on battery until it drops below 90% and then recharges again | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Reducing_number_of_external_repositories | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | But apparently Mozilla just doesn't care. | 01:25 |
| * lcuk nods | 01:25 | |
| lcuk | i know | 01:25 |
| gouverneur | but not down to 84% and once it was stuck at 94% and a reboot set it down to some 6x | 01:25 |
| cehteh | ok .. systems sounds disabled turn off the battery bing | 01:25 |
| cehteh | gouverneur: looks strange .. maybe your usb port comes loose? | 01:25 |
| cehteh | data connections still connected but vcc gone out for lunch? | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | gouverneur, realize that voltage (and thus battery percentage) can vary quite a bit depending on a large number of external factors. | 01:27 |
| gouverneur | cehteh: thats with wall-charger and usb-cradle but its charging from off to full and transfering xxGB of data | 01:27 |
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| gouverneur | GeneralAntilles: 10% isnt my case... 20% is the case and thats way from normal | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | gouverneur, according to whom? | 01:27 |
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| cehteh | hah the battery almost empty warning stops the media player | 01:28 |
| gouverneur | testing | 01:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, playback may be keeping the DSP alive which would reduce battery life noticeably. | 01:29 |
| * cehteh starts recharging | 01:29 | |
| cehteh | sure .. just surprised me | 01:29 |
| cehteh | well someone told earlier that audio doesnt use the dsp .. what now? .. | 01:29 |
| cehteh | well uses CPU at least | 01:30 |
| javispedro | yep | 01:30 |
| gouverneur | GeneralAntilles: according to what all kinds of batteries do 10% I expect 20% make me think | 01:30 |
| javispedro | since it seems that using the dsp would reduce battery life | 01:30 |
| javispedro | but on the other side now the CPU is more busy :( | 01:30 |
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| gouverneur | I need to rest, will check back 2mo, n8 | 01:31 |
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| javispedro | I'd prefer a order-of-magnitude more complex one where the CPU is used only when it's idle (namely, a modern multi processor system :P ) | 01:31 |
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| cehteh | heh .. a spider just came down from the ceiling in front of me ... | 01:32 |
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| cehteh | where does battery-eye store its database? | 01:34 |
| * GeneralAntilles bangs head on desk @ wiki.meego.com again. | 01:35 | |
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| * cehteh doesnt follow that | 01:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't edit because it claims I need to confirm my email address. | 01:37 |
| javispedro | I though the arm port thing would be done by now | 01:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which I've already done | 01:37 |
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| cehteh | btw whats with Mer after the meego merger? will mer catch up or part and go its own way? | 01:38 |
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| cehteh | $ DISPLAY=10.20.40.101:0 python /opt/battery-eye/beye.py | 01:41 |
| cehteh | ... | 01:41 |
| cehteh | Segmentation Fault | 01:41 |
| cehteh | \o/ python | 01:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gotta love that SIO2 thread. | 01:52 |
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| cehteh | mhm .. we need a volunteer to hildonize xchat, just the scrollers | 02:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: also chanlist would be good | 02:05 |
| cehteh | yes chanlist, chat window and while at it, user-list | 02:05 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, Stskeeps has been encouraging | 02:06 |
| ShadowJK | Mer people to join Meego :) | 02:06 |
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| cehteh | ah | 02:06 |
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| ptl | where do I find swfdec for the N900? | 02:09 |
| villager | hmm, can't seem to figure out how to adjust the camera's white balance without using nokia's binary blob for the camera | 02:09 |
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| ShadowJK | strace it to see what it does? | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | or maybe it's done in software | 02:12 |
| cehteh | get a big bat, visit TI and ask kindly | 02:12 |
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| cehteh | ShadowJK: doing that in software would be quite lossy | 02:13 |
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| villager | ShadowJK: my testing seems to indicate it's not software, since using the builtin camera-ui can change how my v4l2 app looks | 02:13 |
| cehteh | yes that should be done on the camera or dsp | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | strace | 02:14 |
| villager | where to get strace? extras-devel? | 02:14 |
| cehteh | strace the camera controler? dsp? :) | 02:14 |
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| cehteh | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Packages | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | well the command must go down through some user space app :D | 02:15 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: yeah but that will be likely just a write or poke into some register with some magic values | 02:16 |
| villager | I thought you weren't supposed to enable the tools repo on the device itself... well, can try | 02:16 |
| cehteh | possible to reverse engineer .. but pita that we have to do this .. hence the big bat | 02:16 |
| andre__ | villager, you can, e.g. for getting some debug tools | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | nah tools repo has useful things | 02:16 |
| cehteh | villager: just careful with installing | 02:16 |
| andre__ | and for testing | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | like crash-reporter | 02:16 |
| cehteh | yes tools has a lot useful things, not optified but most are small anyways | 02:17 |
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| ds3 | fresh from teh factory, how much free space is available on the N900? | 02:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~30G or so | 02:20 |
| ds3 | ooh... plenty of room to provide a N800 binary/chroot | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know if that'd work. | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | but if it would - sure. | 02:21 |
| ds3 | why? | 02:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | different processor? | 02:22 |
| cehteh | there is no debootstrap .. but manual chroot would be worth a try | 02:22 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: isnt the n800 processor a subset of the n900 one? | 02:22 |
| * cehteh was thinking about chrooting the sdk on the micro sd ... | 02:23 | |
| ShadowJK | except for the dsp, yeah | 02:23 |
| cehteh | (n900 sdk .. that would be safe) | 02:23 |
| cehteh | having gcc and stuff on the device without risking the system | 02:23 |
| * cehteh wonders if someone may package such | 02:24 | |
| cehteh | well n900 really lacks developers :/ | 02:24 |
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| cehteh | (the ones who do useful stuff, not games and toys) | 02:24 |
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| ShadowJK | I have next week off :D | 02:25 |
| * ShadowJK hopes hell have time for code | 02:25 | |
| cehteh | maybe i have to write it by myself grr .. have other things to do | 02:25 |
| cehteh | at least the xchat thing is done now :> | 02:26 |
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| AntiXpucT | hmmm i've a strange bug: when i was reboot few hours ago after installing lot of soft an using device for some time - i was wandered, that "ctrl+space" don't switch keyboard layout now. it switsh between opened windows. | 02:45 |
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| AntiXpucT | but if i try to using "on screen" Ctrl button in X terminal - kb layout switchin normally... | 02:45 |
| AntiXpucT | btw, Fn key don't "stick" now :(( | 02:47 |
| villager | friggin' yay... strace won't help much, it's a private ioctl which is just used to encapsulates a command passed to a binary driver blob | 02:47 |
| cehteh | villager: somehow i expected that :P | 02:48 |
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| cehteh | well you can dump the ioctl | 02:48 |
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| cehteh | -- or get a big bat | 02:49 |
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| villager | not easily I suspect... the ioctl points to a structure which contains an embedded pointer to the real request | 02:49 |
| cehteh | yeah thats pita | 02:50 |
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| villager | maybe I'll just have to give in and use the gstreamer plugin that interfaces with the proprietary module | 02:52 |
| cehteh | for what? | 02:53 |
| villager | to adjust the white balance and stuff? | 02:53 |
| cehteh | i mean for what app | 02:53 |
| villager | well, it's for my hobby project... CyborgEye | 02:53 |
| cehteh | prolly a good idea to use gstreamer for that, every firmware update may change the ioctl | 02:54 |
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| villager | the regular v4l2src gstreamer plugin on the pc didn't offer nearly as much control over the camera as direct v4l2 did | 02:55 |
| villager | I suppose it might be different with nokia extensions | 02:55 |
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| Arif_ | moo | 02:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | At, classic. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=537596#post537596 | 03:05 |
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| pwnguin | GeneralAntilles: an opportunity to pimp Mer? | 03:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, why bother with trolls? ;) | 03:11 |
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| N900evil | GeneralAntilles, I do agree a more public roadmap would be good. | 03:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | N900evil, I agree. | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900evil, but do you really think the business people will notice? | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | They'd rather not even have a public bugzilla. | 03:14 |
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| N900evil | prolly not | 03:14 |
| N900evil | and not have these annoying unwashed people coding stuff. | 03:15 |
| javispedro | Considering every announcement gets hordes of idiots at the hq doors, if I were a I-don't-understand-what-the-benefits-are business manager I wouldn't want to have a public anything. | 03:15 |
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| N900evil | phones that can be coded in powerpoint. | 03:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, death to the dinosaurs. | 03:19 |
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| ponyofdeath | hi, guys having issues with my new sms tones seems that even if I have it set to an diff wave that i have uploaded it defaults back to alert 1 anyone have any ideas? | 03:23 |
| javispedro | bah, damn X11 with lousy utf8 support. | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: you mean Maemo? | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | X11 works fine with Unicode | 03:24 |
| javispedro | I mean the stupid Xutf8* functions | 03:25 |
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| javispedro | uh | 03:31 |
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| javispedro | can anyone with an international keyboard on n900 try to see if the autocompleter dictionary cares about dead keys in qt apps? | 03:31 |
| javispedro | qPrintable is evil | 03:31 |
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| AntiXpucT | is there any russians with "white" n900? | 03:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | N900 only comes in black | 03:50 |
| AntiXpucT | it is no color ;) | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, prolly "white" is a special russian thing | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right then | 03:50 |
| AntiXpucT | "white" means "official", "gray" - "unofficial" | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aha | 03:51 |
| AntiXpucT | i need /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx51 file from originally firmware of russian official n900 | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | in southern korea you'll go to jail for using a "gray" cellphone - i.e. one not approved by the carrier | 03:52 |
| AntiXpucT | due to in other versions - it is bad keymap | 03:52 |
| AntiXpucT | (i've lost original while update maemo from 1.x (default) to 3.x (in maemo.org/extras repo) | 03:53 |
| AntiXpucT | s/maemo/Maemo5/ | 03:54 |
| infobot | AntiXpucT meant: (i've lost original while update Maemo5 from 1.x (default) to 3.x (in maemo.org/extras repo) | 03:54 |
| AntiXpucT | infobot, good bot ;) | 03:55 |
| infobot | thanks, AntiXpucT | 03:55 |
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| cehteh | s/good/bad/ | 03:58 |
| cehteh | s/bad/dumb/ | 03:59 |
| cehteh | :P | 03:59 |
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| jaem_n900 | evening, all | 04:11 |
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| jaem_n900 | can someone refresh my memory on how to pull a WPA key out of the gconf db? I'm at a friend's place, and forget that my laptop doesn't have it saved (but my N900 does) | 04:12 |
| jaem_n900 | I've only ever used the GConf Editor app for Diablo | 04:12 |
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| cehteh | doesnt gconf store normal xml files on disk? | 04:13 |
| jaem_n900 | cehteh, oh - yes... I'd forgotten that (KDE user) | 04:13 |
| jaem_n900 | ha | 04:13 |
| cehteh | well dont ask me where | 04:14 |
| jaem_n900 | I just found it, now that you pointed out that bit :) | 04:14 |
| jaem_n900 | thanks! | 04:14 |
| cehteh | where is that? | 04:14 |
| jaem_n900 | give me a sec... | 04:15 |
| jaem_n900 | last post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=22235 | 04:15 |
| cehteh | thanks | 04:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to go beat up one of the business people from Nokia. | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | They really need to issue a statement one way or the other. | 04:23 |
| Hydroxide | GeneralAntilles: ECONTEXT - is this about post-Fremantle N900 support or something else? | 04:24 |
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| cehteh | GeneralAntilles: revolution -- let us all intentionally code only for maemo5 (instead stopping the bug filing) | 04:26 |
| cehteh | :) | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hydroxide, yeah, that. | 04:26 |
| Hydroxide | GeneralAntilles: agreed. they're not very much in the habit of giving clear signals to the community. to say the least. | 04:26 |
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| LinuxCode | will maemo merge with moblin or what will happen ? | 04:26 |
| LinuxCode | I guess that is what you guys are talking about | 04:27 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: you mean put in checks to prevent it running on future versions? diabolical :) | 04:27 |
| cehteh | they dont really understand what community and maintaining it means | 04:27 |
| Hydroxide | LinuxCode: they have announced that much, yes | 04:27 |
| LinuxCode | also, Intel "apparently" switched to rpm | 04:27 |
| LinuxCode | a few months before that announcement | 04:27 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 04:27 |
| LinuxCode | all a tad....weird | 04:27 |
| cehteh | Hydroxide: not checks, rather hardcode the things which where meant to be dynamically upgradeable | 04:27 |
| LinuxCode | I bet some accountants came up with the idea | 04:28 |
| LinuxCode | "lets safe money" | 04:28 |
| Hydroxide | LinuxCode: right - intel was using deb before, and they switched to rpm to get a feature that deb also supports even if debian isn't currently using it the way they want | 04:28 |
| LinuxCode | well, Im not complaining | 04:28 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 04:28 |
| cehteh | i think this merger isnt bad ... but how nokia treats the community is, even dedicated community managers dont get proper response and care | 04:29 |
| LinuxCode | but would be nice to know what will happen, before I spend £500 for a brick | 04:29 |
| LinuxCode | or rather potential brick | 04:29 |
| Hydroxide | well, I'm not complaining about the RPM decision primarily because it would serve no useful purpose to do so, and it really is a minor detail assuming they were already going to stop using debian as upstream. | 04:29 |
| cehteh | well i spend the money because the device is open enough not to end as a brick | 04:29 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: yes, agreed | 04:29 |
| cehteh | but still left with a bad taste | 04:29 |
| LinuxCode | cehteh, N900... open ? | 04:30 |
| LinuxCode | gps chips, phone stuff... | 04:30 |
| LinuxCode | is that accessible from mer ? | 04:30 |
| cehteh | open enough ... i didnt say its completely open | 04:30 |
| LinuxCode | k | 04:30 |
| jaem_n900 | cehteh, agreed - and many phones are worse for support, no? | 04:30 |
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| LinuxCode | see, thats what bugs me | 04:30 |
| Hydroxide | LinuxCode: vastly more so than any other full-featured (i.e. not neo frerunner) mobile phone out there | 04:30 |
| cehteh | the kernel is not tainted for example | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, yes. | 04:30 |
| LinuxCode | they all should make one device, people choose their distro | 04:30 |
| luke-jr | LinuxCode: N900 is about 40% open IIRC | 04:30 |
| luke-jr | LinuxCode: I agree completely :p | 04:31 |
| cehteh | and i will not buy the next device when n900 doesnt get megoo, nokia rather looses a free developer | 04:31 |
| LinuxCode | and I guarantee, people would buy such devices... | 04:31 |
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| cehteh | and i think thats the only way the community can act with this | 04:31 |
| luke-jr | LinuxCode: some of us, yes; but mass-market, probably not | 04:31 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: I decided that with N810, more or less | 04:31 |
| LinuxCode | luke-jr, well, if mainstream linux dev get interested enough | 04:32 |
| cehteh | the n810 was less open than the n900 is | 04:32 |
| cehteh | (or still is) | 04:32 |
| LinuxCode | more devs, better OS | 04:32 |
| LinuxCode | awesome compatibility to sync with desktops | 04:32 |
| cehteh | yes, nokia must learn that they depend on the community for the success of the device | 04:32 |
| LinuxCode | etc.. | 04:32 |
| LinuxCode | cehteh, less open ? really ? | 04:33 |
| luke-jr | LinuxCode: IMO, they should make devices, provide BSD-licensed reference drivers or specs, then market it to software developers who add software and sell the final product to end users | 04:33 |
| LinuxCode | luke-jr, interesting concept | 04:33 |
| cehteh | the n810 kernel was tainted iirc (i dont own one) | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, yes, the N810 and Diablo are significantly less open than the N900 and Fremantle. | 04:33 |
| LinuxCode | but.... then we end up with Vodafone OS | 04:33 |
| luke-jr | LinuxCode: N810 was probably 25-30% open | 04:33 |
| LinuxCode | etc.. | 04:33 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, well thats good news at least | 04:34 |
| luke-jr | well, depends I suppose | 04:34 |
| luke-jr | N900 is probably more closed overall, but the closed stuff no longer runs on the main system CPU | 04:34 |
| LinuxCode | if it stays a trend | 04:34 |
| LinuxCode | maybe thats the whole idea ? | 04:34 |
| LinuxCode | Intel could make chips, with foss drivers | 04:34 |
| LinuxCode | like they do with their graphics chipsets | 04:34 |
| luke-jr | Intel? please no | 04:34 |
| luke-jr | :p | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, yeah, no. | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, your definitions of "open" aren't generally widely accepted. | 04:35 |
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| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: afaik, we know nothing about the phone software | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fremantle is about 80/20 open closed | 04:35 |
| LinuxCode | luke-jr, that makes sense though | 04:35 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: not when you weigh software by importance | 04:35 |
| acidjazz | so is it true nokia is abandoning maemo | 04:35 |
| LinuxCode | bad enough GSM is easy to crack as is | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weighted percentages . . . yeah | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | acidjazz, yes, they're dropping the brand. | 04:35 |
| acidjazz | waht do you mena by the brand | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | acidjazz, whether or not that means N900 with have Harmattan support is unknown. | 04:36 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 04:36 | |
| jaem_n900 | luke-jr, GA's definition is the only objectively quantitative metric I can think of | 04:36 |
| acidjazz | harmattan ? | 04:36 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, N900 (and all smartphones) have two CPUs; Nokia moved a good portion of the closed software from the main one to the phone one | 04:36 |
| jaem_n900 | luke-jr, although I'm not saying I completely disagree | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | What used to be Maemo 6. | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, er . . . yeah | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, and they're working on open stuff with oFono. | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, it just wasn't ready in time for Fremantle. | 04:37 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: even an open ofono wouldn't open the code on the phone CPU | 04:37 |
| luke-jr | nor do I expect them to | 04:37 |
| luke-jr | FCC doesn't allow that | 04:37 |
| LinuxCode | ofono, interesting | 04:37 |
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| luke-jr | at least, not in a useful way | 04:37 |
| LinuxCode | luke-jr, but maybe they could just provide a driver to access closed parts | 04:38 |
| LinuxCode | Id be happy with that, as long as that driver is foss and ends up in the main kernel | 04:38 |
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| luke-jr | LinuxCode: yeah | 04:38 |
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| LinuxCode | well, you know.... | 04:39 |
| luke-jr | LinuxCode: Nokia has done a lot of improvement for the system CPU with N900 | 04:39 |
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| LinuxCode | as happy as one can be, considering closed-ness | 04:39 |
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| luke-jr | it might actually get mainline support someday | 04:39 |
| luke-jr | N810 was pretty much a lost cause there :(\ | 04:39 |
| LinuxCode | luke-jr, I still like my n810 | 04:39 |
| LinuxCode | but forking out £500 is big hurt, if it ends up being useless or exploitable in 2 years or less | 04:40 |
| LinuxCode | hurt ?!?! | 04:40 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 04:40 |
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| cehteh | the device will be work at least as goos as it works now in 2 years | 04:41 |
| LinuxCode | G, thanks for the ofono link | 04:41 |
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| cehteh | good | 04:41 |
| luke-jr | LinuxCode: I'd pay a good $800 for an open device of the current generation tech | 04:41 |
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| LinuxCode | thank you lcuk | 04:41 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 04:41 |
| ml-mobile | sadly you're in a distinct minority | 04:41 |
| LinuxCode | ml-mobile, you would not want an open device ? | 04:42 |
| cehteh | my newton became a brick .. apple discontinued it, i switched to linux with no good support and tools for it | 04:42 |
| LinuxCode | or the 800 usd price tag ? | 04:42 |
| cehteh | it now sits in a drawer unused | 04:42 |
| ml-mobile | the $800 tag | 04:42 |
| cehteh | but this wont happen with the n900 | 04:42 |
| lcuk | cehteh, ive never played on one, where are you? | 04:42 |
| cehteh | germany/karlsruhe | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, well, thankfully Apple didn't release any new software | 04:43 |
| lcuk | bit far for a drive lol | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, so people kept developing for it. | 04:43 |
| cehteh | lcuk: where are you? | 04:43 |
| lcuk | england manchester | 04:43 |
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| cehteh | will you be at Linux Audio Conference? | 04:43 |
| lcuk | HAHA! no i hadnt heard of it till you said it | 04:43 |
| lcuk | but right now im tinkering with alsa code | 04:44 |
| LinuxCode | cehteh, had you said ..graphics conference.... | 04:44 |
| LinuxCode | I bet he would be there in a flash | 04:44 |
| cehteh | GeneralAntilles: yes but most things where some payware, shareware, crippleware, nagware | 04:44 |
| cehteh | no gnu | 04:44 |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, i need some audio | 04:44 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, for liqbase ? | 04:44 |
| lcuk | so i can do echo location of multiple devices on a desktop | 04:44 |
| lcuk | yeah | 04:44 |
| lcuk | liqflow | 04:44 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, true | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, I wouldn't say most. | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, but yeah. | 04:45 |
| cehteh | there is the libre graphics meeting in brussles sometime next .. but i am likely not there | 04:45 |
| lcuk | cehteh.. | 04:45 |
| cehteh | we meet with a lot video software developers at LAC | 04:45 |
| lcuk | 2730may | 04:45 |
| LinuxCode | cehteh, on a bright note... | 04:45 |
| LinuxCode | I had linux on my Jornada 720 | 04:46 |
| LinuxCode | that was a pain | 04:46 |
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| LinuxCode | so.... even having an old flash image...is better than using my Jornada 720 | 04:46 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 04:46 |
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| * cehteh doesnt want pain .. i dont want a hacked Xbox with linux, nor do i want openmoko on a iphone (which still would be a cool slap right into apples face) | 04:46 | |
| LinuxCode | Ive got this side job lined up, so I probably get a N900 anyway | 04:46 |
| LinuxCode | even if it lasts 2 years | 04:47 |
| cehteh | but i support hardware where i am supposed to use free software on it | 04:47 |
| LinuxCode | cehteh, ;-} | 04:47 |
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| cehteh | eh .. what entity controls the screen brightness on the n900? | 04:48 |
| cehteh | its not mce .. | 04:48 |
| cehteh | (at least there is nothing to configure there) | 04:48 |
| cehteh | you can turn the screen on and off through mce | 04:49 |
| cehteh | but i found no brightness control yet | 04:49 |
| lcuk | qwerty released brightness applet | 04:50 |
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| lcuk | simple-brightness-applet | 04:50 |
| lcuk | that will show you | 04:50 |
| cehteh | i mean the backend stuff not the 5 levels in front | 04:51 |
| cehteh | i constantly switch between level 1 and 2 grr | 04:51 |
| cehteh | (using that applet) | 04:51 |
| lcuk | does the auto fade thing bug you | 04:51 |
| lcuk | its not as noticable on 900 as it was on 810 | 04:52 |
| lcuk | for me | 04:52 |
| cehteh | no .. i want some more control how the (5) brightness levels relate to actual brightness | 04:53 |
| cehteh | in dark it can go darker than currently .. in brighter environment it needs to be little brighter | 04:53 |
| cehteh | and in really bright sunlight it should switch the backlight completely off since it cant compete with it anyways | 04:54 |
| lcuk | meh, he mightv documented methods inside his code | 04:54 |
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| cehteh | (and it has a transreflexive display) | 04:54 |
| cehteh | yes looking at the code | 04:54 |
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| luke-jr | cehteh: I don't count Nokia's products in the "supposed to use free software on it" category yet | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | the first requirement is that I'm actually able to use it with a free software OS | 04:59 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: so far its the best match .. rms would prolly disagree but there is no smartphone with an open os which has more free parts based on actual technology (sorry openmoko :P) | 04:59 |
| cehteh | you can .. well maybe with some limited functionality | 05:00 |
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| luke-jr | cehteh: not even w/ limited functionality | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | being able to charge the battery is essential, especially when the battery is needed even when on AC power | 05:01 |
| cehteh | /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/dsm/display/%gconf.xml | 05:03 |
| cehteh | .. pff | 05:03 |
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| javispedro | and tomorrow we learn about unicode normalization, fun fun fun. | 05:38 |
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| infobot | ~pong | 06:37 |
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| erikOH | ping | 06:41 |
| crashanddie | you're good :)_ | 06:41 |
| erikOH | thanks guys ! :) | 06:41 |
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| crashanddie | sorry about that | 06:42 |
| crashanddie | last night we had a few trolls join the channel | 06:42 |
| crashanddie | well, they were going all over freenode, so I just disabled unregistered users | 06:43 |
| erikOH | I am not sure, here is the right place. I am currently writing a GTK application in C that should run on both debian and maemo-which-one-is-one-the-n810-again | 06:43 |
| crashanddie | diablo | 06:43 |
| crashanddie | if it happens in the future, you might want to create an account with freenode, it's fast, easy and free, and most channels are implementing the ban on unregistered users | 06:43 |
| erikOH | crashanddie: that's fine I understand | 06:43 |
| erikOH | I will if i need to come again | 06:44 |
| crashanddie | sure | 06:44 |
| pwnguin | solution: never leave! | 06:44 |
| erikOH | I am trying to draw something gnuplot-like in a window | 06:44 |
| erikOH | I am currently using a GtkImage with GdkImage as a backend | 06:45 |
| erikOH | But I am unable to draw text to this Image. | 06:45 |
| erikOH | In fact, I am unable to get a valid GdkDrawable from the GdkImage | 06:45 |
| erikOH | does someone have an idea of what I might be doing wrong ? | 06:46 |
| crashanddie | erikOH: I don't it's possible tbh | 06:46 |
| crashanddie | erikOH: you might want to ask in #gtk as they know the subsystem more precisely (I would recommend getting your app to work on debian first, and then modify it to work with maemo) | 06:47 |
| crashanddie | or, you could attempt using liqbase. It's a very high-speed low-level library. It doesn't provide nice windows like Gtk, but it has some fun features if you want to go bare-metal | 06:48 |
| erikOH | I am trying to make it work on debian first but chechking periodically everything is fine on diablo because I don't want to have to redo everything :) | 06:48 |
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| erikOH | I'll go ask on #gtk, they will probably have a better insight | 06:49 |
| erikOH | thank you | 06:49 |
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| erikOH | mmm, only 9 user on #gtk, I am not sure I'll get an answer | 06:54 |
| erikOH | So I'll try my luck one more time here :) | 06:54 |
| erikOH | I also tried to use Cairo to have more drawing functionnalities. | 06:54 |
| erikOH | All exemple code I saw online use cairo to directly draw to the (main) GtkWindow and not in a given widget | 06:55 |
| erikOH | Again, it seems that cairo need to have a valid GdkDrawable which 'standard widgets' seem not to have | 06:57 |
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| erikOH | Do you know how to use cairo to draw in something smaller than a whole window ? | 06:58 |
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| erikOH | are the users of this chan mainly EU-based ? | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mainly | 07:05 |
| * SpeedEvil is Scottish. | 07:07 | |
| * SpeedEvil holds up a deep-fried pizza. | 07:08 | |
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| erikOH | SpeedEvil: You don't afraid with your pizza, I saw (and unfortunately ate) a honey-bread sandwich with vinegar based sauce. After that, I can see all kind of food :) | 07:12 |
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| ds3 | does it have haggis as a topping? | 07:16 |
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| * SpeedEvil is sort-of-pining after a truly massive unhealthy pizza. | 07:17 | |
| SpeedEvil | Currently dieting. | 07:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Made a bargain with myself that I'd get the n900 if I committed to diet :) | 07:18 |
| ds3 | for how long? til the n910 comes out? :D | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | lol | 07:27 |
| erikOH | ds3: until duke nukem forever comes out :) | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, sounds like until right about now. ;) | 07:29 |
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| erikOH | Ah! I kind of got the problem | 07:45 |
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| erikOH | It seems that to get a valid GDKDRAWABLE, you need the window to be onscreen. It seems there is no offscreen rendering possible | 07:46 |
| erikOH | (or perhaps it is needed to write on a special offscreen buffer) | 07:46 |
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| crashanddie | omg, christaexport is back! | 08:04 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 08:04 |
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| * shamus hates his very bad battery life on his n800. with the radios off and screen blackign fast and only the stock clock home applet the batery dies with in a day | 08:05 | |
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| RST38h | moo all | 08:08 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: is he being smart, and witty, and analytical again? | 08:08 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h: we must not be talking about the same person. I was thinking about the religious bum | 08:09 |
| ds3 | p | 08:10 |
| RST38h | oh, religious too? | 08:11 |
| * RST38h shocked and awed | 08:11 | |
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| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5476040/motorola-doesnt-love-android-that-much-after-all | 08:15 |
| RST38h | hehe | 08:15 |
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| zerojay | erikOH: I think Speed is pretty cool guy. eh files buggies and doesnt afraid of anything. | 08:20 |
| crashanddie | god am I happy I moved that "where are you from" thread to off-topic | 08:20 |
| * crashanddie waves zerojay | 08:20 | |
| crashanddie | waves at goddamnit | 08:21 |
| * zerojay waves. | 08:21 | |
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| RST38h | crash: yea, I remember now. he has found our Lord. And it is not the Tentacled One. | 08:29 |
| RST38h | heya, zerojay | 08:29 |
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| zerojay | RST38h: Hiya. | 08:31 |
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| RST38h | wazd: moorning. | 08:31 |
| wazd | Morning all | 08:31 |
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| wazd | Rst38h: moo | 08:31 |
| wazd | Rst38h: I've been stuck at the country for like 2 hours yesterday) | 08:32 |
| wazd | Rst38h: car refused to drive thru all that freaking snow | 08:33 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I have been seriously considering subway but, strangely, the bus kinda worked out | 08:45 |
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| crashanddie | hmm, I was trying to parse that as options for food | 08:46 |
| crashanddie | but it would appear you are discussing transport | 08:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: "almost" no traffic from Rublevka to Sokol | 08:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: btw http://gizmodo.com/5476086/the-opposite-of-photoshop (taxidermy) | 08:52 |
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| lucent | so hi people, I'm trying to use qtirreco and I have some trouble identifying whether it is sending IR codes or not | 08:58 |
| lucent | additionally, the device I want to send IR codes to is not in the LIRC DB | 08:59 |
| lucent | I've purchased an USB-UIRT and used irrecord on a laptop system to record the commands | 08:59 |
| lucent | I guess these are "raw" commands. Is there some discussion avenue for me to ask questions about the IR hardware and LIRC on N900? | 09:00 |
| * Stskeeps headdesks at tmo | 09:03 | |
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| lucent | Stskeeps: sounds like an extreme version of faceplam. | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | it is people going absolutely balistic over not having info about maemo6 or meego on n900 | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | while not understanding that they are still going to get the apps from this | 09:05 |
| lucent | that meego announcement was a load of FAIL. | 09:06 |
| lucent | in my opinion | 09:06 |
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| Stskeeps | in what regard? yes, some things could be done bette | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | r | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | but the premise is quite good | 09:07 |
| lucent | I am referring to the announcement. | 09:08 |
| lucent | not the concept | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | otoh, do you have a better idea how it could be done without leaking? :P | 09:08 |
| lucent | just do like Apple does | 09:08 |
| lucent | let the thing leak to NY Times or whatever | 09:08 |
| lucent | then deny it | 09:08 |
| lucent | people are interested and demand answers, make a big announcement at a press conference. | 09:09 |
| lucent | BETTER AND BETTER | 09:09 |
| * lucent :) | 09:09 | |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: I tend to agree with hrw here | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | in what regard? | 09:19 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: About "all that has been released is a mailing list and an empty web site" | 09:19 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: So, let us wait and see | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's positive and negative | 09:20 |
| RST38h | Once the code base is made available to developers, it will become clear what this thing is | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | probably moblin and "can you help us make it run qt4.6 maemo apps" | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 09:21 |
| RST38h | no, no | 09:21 |
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| RST38h | I do not think qt will be a problem. But ARM probably will. | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | judging by the ARM expertises on OBS side, that part won't be a bad problem | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | we have lbt and ScriptRipper, so that helps | 09:22 |
| RST38h | Also, I asked at #meego who will supply the baseline end-user apps and got ignored by the Intel guy, twice | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | i think that's 'typical' differentitation | 09:23 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: It is not the OBS but the Moblin itself being basically an Atom-specific distro. | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | right | 09:23 |
| lucent | wow | 09:23 |
| RST38h | With Intel having zero interest in porting it to something else, I guess | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i was happy to see nokia is bringing core and middleware developers. | 09:24 |
| lucent | I just grabbed my N900 by it's Nokia CP-321 case, and managed to move the case in such a way as to fling the N900 out of the case flying across my room | 09:24 |
| * lucent :x | 09:24 | |
| Stskeeps | so i think i have a hint about where it'll come from. | 09:24 |
| RST38h | lucent: coool! so how far did it fly? | 09:24 |
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| lucent | RST38h: wasn't running n900fly at the time | 09:24 |
| lucent | approximately 4 meters | 09:24 |
| lucent | it survived. | 09:25 |
| lucent | I think? | 09:25 |
| RST38h | probably a record too | 09:25 |
| lucent | I'm swearing up a storm here at my clumsy actions | 09:25 |
| lucent | you know what I'm really confused about the state of IR on N900 | 09:25 |
| RST38h | What is there to be confused about? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | lucent: i think people need to write something saner than irreco | 09:26 |
| lucent | uh, yeah | 09:26 |
| RST38h | The old gtk irreco does not work any more. | 09:26 |
| lucent | not at all? | 09:26 |
| RST38h | The new qt irreco kinda works but is so buggy that you do not wanna use it | 09:26 |
| ptl | does anyone know how do I use N900's console? | 09:26 |
| RST38h | lirc works | 09:26 |
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| lucent | I just used irrecord on USB-UIRT from a laptop to record a remote, and generate a config file | 09:26 |
| lucent | I used that config file on my N900 with qtirreco | 09:26 |
| RST38h | So, the easiest solution would be to write a python app that talks to Lirc | 09:26 |
| ptl | I mean n900 serial connection | 09:26 |
| lucent | no response from the intended device | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | ptl: you need a special connection to the pads below the battery | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | which ones, i don't know | 09:27 |
| lucent | ptl: serial connection? I don't know of any wired breakout, you'd want like a bluesmirf or other bluetooth | 09:27 |
| lucent | unless you really, really, really need a serial console as Stskeeps describes | 09:27 |
| lucent | Stskeeps: also I can't find a solid answer about whether the N900 IR is transmit-only in hardware | 09:28 |
| ptl | it is as Stskeeps describes, I want to know what kind of special connection is that | 09:28 |
| jacekowski | lucent: it can't be | 09:28 |
| ptl | why it can't be? | 09:28 |
| ptl | in the forums everybody said it is | 09:28 |
| jacekowski | that's what most IR protocols require as far as i know | 09:28 |
| lucent | and so I'm still looking for concrete answer about this ;) | 09:29 |
| jacekowski | when you send something over IR it can detect that something is recieving it | 09:29 |
| jacekowski | or that it's just transmiting into the air | 09:29 |
| ptl | it's if IRDA | 09:29 |
| ptl | but it's not IRDA-compatible | 09:29 |
| RST38h | really how | 09:29 |
| ptl | it's consumer IR, CIR | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | lucent: i think it's only transmit only, afaik | 09:29 |
| lucent | well, it's speculation | 09:30 |
| lucent | I value your opinion of course | 09:30 |
| lucent | okay so I'm pointing my N900 with qtirreco loaded, pointed this at a web cam | 09:30 |
| lucent | I don't see any action in the webcam output | 09:30 |
| lucent | no blinky thing | 09:30 |
| lucent | either webcam has a fancy IR filter or it's just not happening | 09:31 |
| RST38h | fancy filter. | 09:32 |
| jacekowski | silicon is transparent to IR | 09:32 |
| lucent | huh? | 09:32 |
| jacekowski | and there as special addons to it to make it even detect it | 09:32 |
| jacekowski | but pure silicon as such is ideally transparent for IR light | 09:32 |
| lucent | not the N900's webcam mind you I'm using Logitech 9000 Pro on a laptop | 09:33 |
| jacekowski | that's why nobody is doing thermal cams with silicn based sensor | 09:33 |
| jacekowski | lucent: it's same silicon | 09:33 |
| jacekowski | lucent: try it on known working remote | 09:34 |
| lucent | jacekowski: unfortunately I don't own a remote control, heh | 09:34 |
| lucent | I will try with my camera phone which I know shows infrared on its cam | 09:34 |
| lucent | ya it's dark | 09:34 |
| lucent | no blinky light | 09:34 |
| lucent | need to debug this somehow | 09:35 |
| flux | jacekowski, hm, are you saying n900's webcam cannot see IR? because it can. | 09:35 |
| flux | s/web// | 09:35 |
| infobot | flux meant: jacekowski, hm, are you saying n900's cam cannot see IR? because it can. | 09:35 |
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| jacekowski | i meant that in general cameras are less sensitive to IR than to any other colours | 09:36 |
| flux | that may be correct, but usually you don't point a camera towards lights | 09:37 |
| jacekowski | that's because silicon is transparent to ir | 09:37 |
| flux | rather towards surfaces that reflect light. but in this case he's pointing the camera directly at an IR light source. | 09:37 |
| lucent | fact is that most webcam / camera sensors are sensitive to IR, and there is an IR-block filter because of this | 09:37 |
| jacekowski | lucent: only to near ir | 09:37 |
| lucent | you got me there | 09:37 |
| lucent | near-IR like in remote controls | 09:38 |
| lucent | not IR like in thermal imaging cameras | 09:38 |
| jacekowski | yes | 09:38 |
| lucent | for my purposes I'm in error to call this IR | 09:38 |
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| jacekowski | i've read article about a bloke claiming that he can see ir | 09:38 |
| lucent | *facepalm* | 09:38 |
| flux | what is the area of light between IR and visible light called? | 09:39 |
| jacekowski | but there was no source | 09:39 |
| lucent | flux: usually referenced "near-Infrared" | 09:39 |
| lucent | NIR or just "IR" if you're some dumb skunk like myself? | 09:39 |
| lucent | anyhow I don't see output from my N900 which would explain why the television isn't doing anything when I point 'n shoot | 09:40 |
| jacekowski | it's broken | 09:40 |
| flux | mine works (irreco) | 09:41 |
| flux | so it's not an pr-related problem :) | 09:41 |
| lucent | flux: I'd like to quiz you some more on that ;) | 09:41 |
| lucent | flux: are you using irreco? qtirreco? which release of Maemo? | 09:42 |
| lucent | it's N900 right? | 09:42 |
| flux | irreco, pr1.1.1, n900 | 09:42 |
| flux | lucent, do you have lircd running? | 09:42 |
| lucent | mine says Nokia N900 / Maemo 5 / Version 3.2010.02-8.002 | 09:42 |
| lucent | flux: lircd runs when qtirreco is active | 09:43 |
| lucent | otherwise it is not running | 09:43 |
| flux | mine is running always | 09:43 |
| flux | actually, scratch that | 09:43 |
| flux | it's not :-) | 09:43 |
| flux | I just remember that I had started it manually when debugging it when setting it up | 09:44 |
| flux | hm, mine actually says '1.2009.44-1' still. it may be related to the fact that I've done all upgrades with apt.. | 09:45 |
| lucent | debugging huh, what commands can you use to send output? | 09:45 |
| flux | iirc irsend | 09:45 |
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| flux | I don't remember how to use it, though. | 09:45 |
| lucent | okay | 09:45 |
| lucent | that's okay I can manpage once I know where to look :) | 09:46 |
| flux | my real problem when setting that up was that I had a broken remote configuration file there | 09:46 |
| flux | lirc wouldn't even start. but apparently yours does, so that's not it. | 09:46 |
| lucent | "irsend -a localhost 8765 -d /dev/lirc0" .... | 09:48 |
| flux | pretty sure those are optional.. | 09:48 |
| flux | or atleast alternative | 09:48 |
| flux | (why would it need both?) | 09:49 |
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| lucent | oh yeah interesting | 09:51 |
| lucent | so I'm looking more into how qtirreco starts lircd because I need to know what the name of the remote config is to use irsend with it | 09:51 |
| lucent | also I am drinking another glass of Havens Velvet wine | 09:51 |
| * lucent anticipates success | 09:52 | |
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| lucent | flux: qtirreco is just failing hard I think, (irsend -a localhost:8765 LIST "" "") has no output | 09:55 |
| lucent | flux: do you have your N900 handy? if you would be so kind to run that command as appropriate with your configuration | 09:55 |
| lucent | does it output a list of remote info when you do: irsend LIST "" "" | 09:55 |
| flux | it does | 09:57 |
| lucent | okay thanks a heap mate | 09:58 |
| flux | apparently for each command | 09:58 |
| lucent | mine outputs nothing meaning that qtirreco is failing hard | 09:58 |
| flux | hm | 09:58 |
| * lucent :) | 09:58 | |
| flux | shouldn't irsend work regardless of how qtirreco is failing or not? | 09:58 |
| flux | irsend being part of lircd | 09:59 |
| flux | in other words, you need to have irsend working before qtirreco can work | 09:59 |
| lucent | flux: qtirreco is responsible for starting lircd in my observation here | 10:00 |
| lucent | so if qtirreco is not starting lircd with the right configurations, it won't have the remotes defined, nothing can be referenced when you go to send a command | 10:00 |
| lucent | just the working hypothesis | 10:00 |
| flux | lucent, what happens when you /etc/init.d/lirc start as root? | 10:00 |
| lucent | flux: do I dare try it? | 10:00 |
| * lucent looks squeamish | 10:01 | |
| lucent | don't give me any of your "SURE WHAT COULD GO WRONG AS ROOT?" nonsense! | 10:01 |
| flux | suuure, nothing bad will happen! I promise! (disclaimer: promises as disclosed here do not holding) | 10:01 |
| flux | ngh, too much editing error | 10:02 |
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| lucent | right up there with "how is babby formed?' | 10:02 |
| * lucent =) | 10:02 | |
| * RST38h has a solution for lucent's troubles | 10:02 | |
| RST38h | Find Khertan here. Get him interested in writing a UI for lirc in Python. | 10:03 |
| lucent | RST38h: is that so? | 10:03 |
| RST38h | no. =) | 10:03 |
| lucent | "WARNING: config file contains no valid remote control definition" | 10:03 |
| RST38h | But try. | 10:03 |
| lucent | blarg | 10:03 |
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| fureddo | I have a QDialog that have many components. I would like the QDialog to be "pannable" or "panningable"... How can I enable that? | 10:16 |
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| johnsu01 | Is there a way to get a shortcut on the desktop for sending a new mail message? | 10:22 |
| RST38h | probably. | 10:22 |
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| * RST38h genocydes the /usr/lib/locale | 10:27 | |
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| RST38h | But the sneaky locales hid in locale-cache | 10:30 |
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| frals | lovely, -14C and windy as hell... looking forward to trying to get home in this weather >_< | 10:42 |
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| lucent | flux: would you dare try qtirreco ? | 10:45 |
| lucent | :) | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | Maemo 6 and/or MeeGo on N900: Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 | 10:47 |
| RST38h | frals: -10oC, no wind, lights out | 10:48 |
| RST38h | light snow, perfect | 10:48 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: lemme guess, Prozac? =) | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: alcoholism | 10:49 |
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| lucent | Stskeeps: I will read your post in its entirety :) | 10:50 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Yea, that works as well. | 10:50 |
| mashiara | light snow ? yesterday/last night we got again plenty of snow, you couldn't guess that a huge tractor cleared the driveway yesterday afternoon... | 10:52 |
| mashiara | "driveway" in this case is slightly longer than 10m too.. | 10:54 |
| mashiara | "driveway" in this case is slightly longer than 10m too.. http://tinyurl.com/ybe97kn | 10:55 |
| RST38h | mashiara: Well, main bulk of snow fell yesterday night, traffic collapse and all. | 10:55 |
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| mashiara | yep... I need to go out to the -20C and wind to clear the road soon... | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | i am astonished by the fact people spend day in day out complaining in forums about maemo6 on n900 and meego, yet they can't concentrate for a moment to read one long post. | 10:58 |
| * mashiara is not | 10:58 | |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Most recent internets users are write-only | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | with a severe care of ADD | 10:59 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: they do not read. but you can try posting a picture. | 10:59 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: if there is enough pink at the picture, some may pay attention | 10:59 |
| aziwoqpd | you need a short catchy slogan | 10:59 |
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| ptl | human skin is more beige than pink | 11:00 |
| mashiara | pink ponies! | 11:00 |
| ptl | ok, non-dark-ethnic-groups at least | 11:00 |
| * RST38h proposes COVER IT WITH ASPHALT! | 11:00 | |
| ptl | wow | 11:01 |
| lucent | o_O | 11:01 |
| * RST38h blames remote controls, what a devilish invention | 11:01 | |
| * mashiara wonders if there is omgizer in the internets | 11:01 | |
| * thresh waves | 11:02 | |
| RST38h | mashiara: Yes. It is called The Tub Girl | 11:02 |
| mashiara | I was thinking of something else | 11:02 |
| ptl | does it have enough pink? | 11:02 |
| ptl | or beige | 11:02 |
| RST38h | oh it does | 11:02 |
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| mashiara | back in the day when consumer internet was new some joker made this service where you could enter url of a webpage (in finnish) and it converted it to a form of "youth speak" | 11:03 |
| mashiara | so that the hoi polloi could better understand it | 11:03 |
| RST38h | was that before or after AOL gave access to USENET? | 11:04 |
| * mashiara does not follow AOL history | 11:04 | |
| RST38h | See? Recent convert. | 11:04 |
| lucent | \o/ I see blinky from my N900 | 11:05 |
| lucent | qtirreco is retarded. | 11:05 |
| lucent | argh! | 11:05 |
| mashiara | finnish... I abused my fathers access to the university modem bank back when windows 3.0 was new | 11:05 |
| mashiara | no consumer internet at all then... | 11:05 |
| * RST38h remembers a long discussion on whether it is ethical to experiment on frogs, predictably switching toward experimentation on the French, predictably ending up with everyone agreeing that AOL users are ok to experiment on | 11:05 | |
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| mashiara | but back to the point, there probably exists this kind of service that stskeeps could use to translate his well written and thought out post to something the hoi polloi might better relate to | 11:06 |
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| RST38h | mashiara: Nope. You have not got my original point. | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: it would translate into "STFU" | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:07 |
| RST38h | mashiara: It is not that they do not understand. It is that they DO NOT READ | 11:07 |
| Myrtti | ♥ | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | which would not get the message through | 11:07 |
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| lucent | RST38h: tl;dr "too long, didn't read" | 11:08 |
| lucent | it's quite common. | 11:09 |
| RST38h | lucent: Where "too long" is anything >3 sentences | 11:09 |
| lucent | more like 6 words if you | 11:09 |
| RST38h | These are people who actually *use* Twitter | 11:09 |
| lucent | tl;dr. | 11:09 |
| RST38h | Oh well, someone has to do dishes, deliver pizza, and write HTML | 11:10 |
| lucent | yarrrr so hey how do I contribute to qtirreco anyways? | 11:10 |
| lucent | I see a lot of resources for irreco but qtirreco doesn't list many | 11:10 |
| RST38h | you do not | 11:10 |
| RST38h | lucent: you write your own UI because qtirreco sucks a lot | 11:11 |
| lucent | if qtirreco is "actively maintained" and irreco is not.... according to rumor | 11:11 |
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| lucent | is irreco somehow delinquint? | 11:11 |
| RST38h | it is just a bunch of buttons sending lirc commands | 11:11 |
| lucent | oh hmmm | 11:11 |
| RST38h | lucent: irreco maintainers all quit | 11:11 |
| lucent | well if that's a fact I'm glad to hear it | 11:11 |
| lucent | all I gather from forums and searches via Google is that nobody knows what the hell is going on | 11:12 |
| * RST38h has seen a tmo post "We have all quit, please turn the light out" | 11:12 | |
| RST38h | About the original gtk+ irreco | 11:12 |
| lucent | ah | 11:13 |
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| lucent | it's too bad I just popped $60 fo this USB-UIRT to read the remote codes | 11:13 |
| lucent | that part is done, now how to send them back out... bash script time? | 11:13 |
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| RST38h | lucent: Once again: | 11:14 |
| * lucent :P "poke someone who knows python" | 11:14 | |
| lucent | yar yar | 11:14 |
| RST38h | lucent: There is Python. Python has bindings to Hildon/Gtk+ | 11:14 |
| RST38h | lucent: So, just put something together in Python. Alternatively, you can do it in C/C++ but it will take longer | 11:14 |
| lucent | really my skill level is that of an administrator | 11:15 |
| lucent | I don't have the enjoyment to dig into deep coding exercises | 11:15 |
| lucent | I'll buy a USB-UIRT for anyone willing to mantain something Qt4.6ish | 11:16 |
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| mashiara | lucent: as admin you knwo scripting, python is a very nice language you will pick it up fast if you just try | 11:19 |
| lucent | mashiara: I appreciate your words of encouragement | 11:19 |
| lucent | I hold a deep resentment for "meaningful whitespace" | 11:19 |
| mashiara | don't, it's a good idea IMO | 11:20 |
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| lucent | well that's just the thing I don't agree and it's not a technical discussion, I don't enjoy meaningful whitespace and Python requires it | 11:20 |
| mashiara | since it forces the code to be at least somewhat readable | 11:20 |
| mashiara | we agree to disagree | 11:22 |
| lucent | yeah | 11:22 |
| mashiara | my main problem with python is since I work a lot on PHP switching between the two tends to mess my flow | 11:23 |
| crashanddie | mashiara: yeah, switching between languages can be disturbing | 11:23 |
| RST38h | why? | 11:24 |
| lucent | I'm trying hard here to contact Niko Rehnback (qtirreco maintainer) and nothing | 11:24 |
| crashanddie | mashiara: I switch a lot between Java, PHP and C and often get confused between function names and argument lists | 11:24 |
| lucent | no contact info | 11:24 |
| lucent | you folks are right | 11:24 |
| lucent | dead end need to do something else | 11:24 |
| RST38h | lucent: well, one problem with qtirreco is Qt that does not quite work (try pressing buttons) | 11:24 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: just because the way each language behaves a bit different? | 11:24 |
| RST38h | lucnet: I doubt Niko can help with this one :( | 11:25 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: never been a problem | 11:25 |
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| lucent | I need to find out why QtIrreco does not properly init lirc | 11:25 |
| mashiara | mostly after working on python for a day I forget semicolons in PHP, we use quite strict code formatting standards in our PHP projects so the ,eaningfull whitespace is not a problem and out of habit I use if (statement): in python too | 11:26 |
| RST38h | It does for me | 11:26 |
| lucent | and even if I manually go in with lirc config files to make it reference the remote configs that I want, how to make QtIrreco trigger those | 11:26 |
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| RST38h | You probably have to 1) remove qtirreco, 2) remove irreco 3) cleanup | 11:26 |
| RST38h | 4) purge 5) reinstall qtirreco | 11:26 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: you're awesome dude, you're the best we've ever had | 11:26 |
| RST38h | That should make it kinda work, except that pressing buttons will cause an instant visual clusterfuck | 11:27 |
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| lucent | I can do "irsend -a localhost:8765 SEND_ONCE Zenith_H1953W KEY_POWER" and it does right | 11:27 |
| lucent | how to trigger that from QtIrreco? | 11:27 |
| lucent | RST38h: I tried apt-get remove --purge qtirreco ; apt-get install qtirreco | 11:27 |
| RST38h | lucent: You also have to remove irreco (old one) and lirc | 11:28 |
| lucent | it's kind of hung and doesn't actually feed my configs into lirc | 11:28 |
| lucent | oh irreco is not installed | 11:28 |
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| lucent | lirc got config purged with qtirreco | 11:28 |
| mashiara | I guess I have procrastinated enough, time to go fire up the Husqvarna and clear the road... | 11:28 |
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| RST38h | Actually, mashiara is right | 11:29 |
| * RST38h out | 11:29 | |
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| jreznik | is there an easy way how to install telepathy qt4 in madde? | 11:33 |
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| lucent | jreznik: don't know, not in my interests to try it | 11:53 |
| lucent | i'm whacking away at irreco problem | 11:53 |
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| jreznik | ok, going to try it in scratchbox... but I like madde as it is really easy to work with it | 11:57 |
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| lucent | flux: I don' | 12:03 |
| lucent | flux: I don't figure you're awake and at the console, anyhow I'm wondering what the contents of your lirc config are? | 12:03 |
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| lucent | flux: my '/etc/init.d/lirc start' complains "WARNING: config file contains no valid remote control definition" | 12:03 |
| lucent | also to anyone who might be lurking and has IR transmit working on N900 I would like to quiz you about this same issue :) | 12:04 |
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| mgedmin | I don't know whether my IR transmitter is working or not | 12:08 |
| mgedmin | actually, the receiver light on my TV was blinking when I was trying to control it from my N900 with irreco | 12:08 |
| lucent | =) that's encouraging | 12:08 |
| mgedmin | so I suppose some IR was being transmitted | 12:08 |
| lucent | I'm interested in the contents of /etc/lircd.conf /etc/lirc/hardware.conf /etc/lirc/lircd.conf | 12:08 |
| mgedmin | the online database didn't have my remote in it, so that blinking was all I ever got | 12:08 |
| lucent | were you using irreco, or qtirreco? | 12:09 |
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| mgedmin | dunno, whichever was in extras-devel at the time | 12:09 |
| mgedmin | probably irreco-for-n900 | 12:09 |
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| mgedmin | it was in my loaned n900, which is sitting in a drawer discharged | 12:10 |
| lucent | :( | 12:10 |
| mgedmin | I don't have irreco installed in my personal n900 | 12:10 |
| lucent | why discharged? USB is fubar? | 12:10 |
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| mgedmin | no, all is fine | 12:11 |
| mgedmin | I just don't use it now that I've bought my own n900 | 12:11 |
| mgedmin | I keep meaning to flash it with latest OS and never find the time | 12:11 |
| mgedmin | or, when I find the time, the battery is dry, so I put it to charge and then forget | 12:11 |
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| mgedmin | lucent, http://pastie.org/834018 | 12:15 |
| mgedmin | those N2QAYB00... were remotes I tried to download | 12:15 |
| mgedmin | neither matched the one I have here | 12:15 |
| lucent | mgedmin: thanks for your time and effort on this, I appreciate it | 12:17 |
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| lucent | mgedmin: you didn't add those lircd.conf entries by hand? | 12:18 |
| lucent | I wonder what added them | 12:18 |
| mgedmin | not by editing a config file | 12:18 |
| mgedmin | I did select those remotes from the menu in the app | 12:18 |
| mgedmin | and I created a "device" called TV | 12:18 |
| lucent | ah okay | 12:18 |
| mgedmin | irreco's user interface was horribly difficult to figure out :/ | 12:18 |
| lucent | yeah it activates when it shouldn't, also | 12:20 |
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| lucent | mgedmin: got it configured, with your help! thanks | 12:29 |
| * Stskeeps ponders on someone reaching the conclusion cos of his post "this phone will never be finished" | 12:31 | |
| Stskeeps | and isn't that glorious it won't as it won't be obsolete then? :P | 12:31 |
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| flux | lucent, my /etc/lircd.conf has a bunch of lines like: include "/home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/3628" | 12:39 |
| flux | lucent, and the included files are the ones with 'begin remote' section | 12:40 |
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| lucent | flux: thanks! | 12:41 |
| lucent | flux: I've concluded that qtirreco does not add these lines to /etc/lircd.conf as it should | 12:41 |
| lucent | my solution to get -something- working is to purge qtirreco and install irreco-for-n900 | 12:42 |
| flux | lucent, have also looked which arguments it gives to lircd when it runs it? | 12:42 |
| flux | perhaps it doesn't use that config file | 12:42 |
| lucent | flux: yah, the arguments don't reveal much. Both irreco and qtirreco start lircd with the same arguments | 12:42 |
| lucent | no mention of a config file (although I think they should have) | 12:43 |
| lucent | the lirc docs I read don't mention a way to add a remote config at runtime via the socket interface | 12:43 |
| lucent | shame about that! | 12:43 |
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| flux | you have the source.. ;) | 12:47 |
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| Stskeeps | morn wazd | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you jumped from 40 karma distance from me to 200 at the recalculation | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:48 |
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| arachnist | .karma Stskeeps | 12:53 |
| arachnist | :( | 12:53 |
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| Stskeeps | for N800, N810(W) users: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=538242&postcount=101 | 12:55 |
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| rzr | Stskeeps: +1 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=538242#post538242 | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | rzr: if people want a upgrade, they'll get it the hard way | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:03 |
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| rzr | is dualboot that complicated ? | 13:04 |
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| rzr | btw bootmenu stopped to work some day | 13:05 |
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| rzr | i donno why | 13:05 |
| rzr | it booted once of 10 tries | 13:05 |
| rzr | so i reflashed maemo | 13:05 |
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| rzr | thought it was an hw issue | 13:05 |
| rzr | but my n810 works as charm for months now | 13:06 |
| rzr | i still miss mer | 13:06 |
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| rzr | any gnustep hackers arround ? | 13:07 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, very nice dr. strangelove post @ t.m.o - very similar to what I was thinking during this last week | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: at least it seems to have quietened things a little bit, but let's see if it lasts. | 13:12 |
| mikhas | one could add that the situation for n900 owners might have improved even, because megoo is more exposed it seems | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | it is greatly improved. | 13:12 |
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| crashanddie | rzr: don't use return for punctuation, thanks | 13:19 |
| rzr | that's because of the irc client running on my watch :) | 13:20 |
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| crashanddie | News alert: buying fake batteries on eBay may cause you problems, and the companies are very hard to deal with. News at 11 | 13:36 |
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| crashanddie | arachnist: ~karma | 13:36 |
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| crashanddie | ~karma arachnist | 13:36 |
| infobot | arachnist has neutral karma | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | ~karma crashanddie | 13:36 |
| infobot | crashanddie has neutral karma | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | w00t | 13:37 |
| arachnist | http://dpaste.com/162034/ | 13:37 |
| arachnist | nothing like running sshd and webserver on your phone just to synchronize some photos ;> | 13:37 |
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| crashanddie | damn, q and w are very close to each other | 13:40 |
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| bva | depends where you live ;) | 13:41 |
| bva | although with azerty they still are | 13:42 |
| crashanddie | bva: and with qwerty they're on the same row | 13:44 |
| crashanddie | bva: not good when you're used to command + w for closing windows and knowing that command + q close the app | 13:44 |
| bva | crashanddie: hehe, guess you have to start all over egain if you dont get a warning dialog | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | indeed | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | happened twice in the past 10 minutes | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | my fingers don't want to watch a specific show I guess | 13:46 |
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| bva | save every few minutes? | 13:46 |
| bva | ah its not work related | 13:46 |
| bva | and teach your fingers some manners, show them who's boss! | 13:46 |
| crashanddie | bva: my usual techniques for "showing who's the boss" involves thus hurting myself | 13:47 |
| crashanddie | bva: as deranged as I may be, I still don't enjoy auto-flagelation | 13:48 |
| bva | crashanddie maybe you can help me, I just started some Qt tutorials (im new to all this) and I get a error which I cant fix | 13:48 |
| bva | crashanddie: have you ever tried it? :D | 13:48 |
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| crashanddie | sorry, repeat that? | 13:49 |
| bva | C:/Users/Bart/Documents/Qt/textfinder/textfinder.h:24: error: field 'ui' has incomplete type | 13:49 |
| mgedmin | arachnist, why a webserver instead of just sshd? | 13:50 |
| mgedmin | why not use scp/sftp to download the photos? | 13:50 |
| mgedmin | speed? | 13:50 |
| mgedmin | also, why not rsync? | 13:50 |
| arachnist | mgedmin: because scp uses more cpu | 13:50 |
| arachnist | mgedmin: so does rsync | 13:50 |
| mgedmin | ok | 13:51 |
| arachnist | and i couldn't find sshd with hpn patches for n900 | 13:51 |
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| arachnist | and i don't feel like compiling that one myself | 13:51 |
| crashanddie | hpn? | 13:52 |
| * crashanddie facepalms | 13:52 | |
| crashanddie | high performance on a 600mhz cpu... | 13:52 |
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| arachnist | crashanddie: i'm more after "null-cipher for data (not login)" | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | arachnist: if you're uploading more than 200 megs to your NIT, use the usb cable | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | bva: sorry, haven't used Qt | 13:54 |
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| arachnist | crashanddie: like i would care for looking for the usb cable and connecting my n900 to it | 13:54 |
| bva | damn, okay thought u did | 13:54 |
| arachnist | crashanddie: not to mention, that script's running on a box that's literally hidden in the closet | 13:55 |
| mgedmin | also, I have the feeling that eMMC write speed is the bottleneck when transferring data to the NIT | 13:56 |
| mgedmin | either that, or the CPU once hildon-thumbnailer kicks in | 13:56 |
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| mgedmin | I wonder if it does the obvious brain-damaged thing and starts thumbnailing files before they're completely transferred | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin: not really. When you use SSH the CPU really gets a kickin due to the encryption/decryption | 13:56 |
| mgedmin | I know nautilus does that on the desktop | 13:56 |
| arachnist | crashanddie: with HPN patches, you can disable encryption after login | 13:57 |
| arachnist | (provided the other side also supports it) | 13:57 |
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| ab3339 | hi all | 14:03 |
| arachnist | hi | 14:04 |
| ab3339 | crowded | 14:04 |
| wazd | wowcrap! Carma recalculated! :D | 14:07 |
| wazd | reheya all :) | 14:07 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: 200 ahead of me | 14:08 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: heh :) | 14:09 |
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| * ioeee saluda o/ | 14:12 | |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 14:21 |
| lcuk | hey Jaffa \o | 14:22 |
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| midas | hi | 14:37 |
| pupnik | hello | 14:38 |
| midas | it seems my n900 sort of died on me after a update.. | 14:38 |
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| pupnik | maybe try doing something | 14:39 |
| midas | i tried cpr | 14:39 |
| midas | didnt work | 14:39 |
| midas | the major problem is that the damn thing doesnt charge anymore and keeps restarting when on a charger or usb cable | 14:40 |
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| pupnik | so it starts up "d you see the white dots? | 14:41 |
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| midas | no, only nokia without a backlite | 14:41 |
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| pupnik | i think you might need to reflash then | 14:42 |
| midas | and when booting without a cable it shows nokia with a backlite | 14:42 |
| midas | yeah pupnik, i agree, but it keeps rebooting when the cable is attached | 14:42 |
| midas | so i dont know if it's even charged :p | 14:43 |
| midas | or charging | 14:43 |
| AntiXpucT | is it planning to add groupchat functionality to default IM-client? | 14:43 |
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| tealbird | midas: when the battery is really dead I can only charge from a nokia charger | 14:44 |
| pupnik | midas: you dont get rebooting when reflashing | 14:44 |
| tealbird | I see that happen with off brand chargers | 14:44 |
| pupnik | unless you broke your cable | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | it should charge from any charger with adequate amps with D+ and D- connected | 14:45 |
| midas | tealbird: i use the ca-101 usb cable and the provided charger | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | that is - a charger made in the last few years | 14:45 |
| tealbird | I bought it in the last year, new | 14:45 |
| midas | what happens is, i connect the cable | 14:46 |
| midas | the charging led goes to yellow | 14:46 |
| midas | than, after a minute or so the phone tries to boot | 14:46 |
| midas | restarts, goes to charging for 10 seconds and boots again | 14:46 |
| midas | it doenst show up as a usb device, dont know if i can flash it then | 14:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | midas: don't you have the charger with the USB cable? | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | midas: the one built in I mean | 14:47 |
| midas | SpeedEvil: i have both | 14:47 |
| midas | and both have the same problem/effect | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | have you tried that one? | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume you don't own a lab PSU? | 14:48 |
| midas | lab psu? explain? :) | 14:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | laboratory power supply. It's a way to charge a the battery. | 14:49 |
| tealbird | midas: just a normal update via "New updates?" | 14:49 |
| midas | ah, nope :p | 14:49 |
| midas | tealbird: via nsu yeah | 14:50 |
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| midas | had to reflash it that way first according to nokia as my text messages didnt show up properly | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | midas: what happens if you hold U while it's doing this - anything? | 14:51 |
| midas | nothing | 14:51 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i find it easier to hook a lightening conductor rod to the clock tower and drive towards it in my car | 14:51 |
| lcuk | it doesnt work unless i hit it at 88mph for some reason | 14:51 |
| midas | lcuk: haha | 14:51 |
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| * SpeedEvil steals lcuk's e. | 14:52 | |
| lcuk | thanks | 14:52 |
| midas | 1.22gigawatts! i need it to power my n900 | 14:52 |
| * lcuk can blame old age on spelling problems | 14:52 | |
| lcuk | in my day we used to waste letters on words, you younguns just forget em | 14:53 |
| tealbird | I thought you needed to hold down U just as it was powering on | 14:53 |
| tealbird | Not in a reboot loop | 14:53 |
| * lcuk should start a save the vowel campaign | 14:53 | |
| lcuk | i have always done reflashing as follows: | 14:53 |
| midas | hm, have to go, working time. | 14:54 |
| lcuk | turn off and unplug battery from n900 | 14:54 |
| midas | lcuk: yes | 14:54 |
| lcuk | plug in usb | 14:54 |
| lcuk | start flasher | 14:54 |
| lcuk | when it says waiting for device | 14:54 |
| lcuk | put battery in | 14:54 |
| lcuk | profit | 14:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Where do the underpants come in? | 14:55 |
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| lcuk | where else do you think they are? | 14:55 |
| lcuk | they dont move from on my head the entire time | 14:55 |
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| wazd | http://www.imaemo.com/?p=187 :D | 14:56 |
| wazd | VDVsx: ^ | 14:57 |
| RST38h | OMG, VDVsx has got Chinese fans | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | s\Chinese\\ | 14:58 |
| Hukka | What perverse system uses \ and not / :? | 14:59 |
| VDVsx | sorry to not refer everybody :), was the names that I remember at that time, after writing a lot :p | 14:59 |
| * Arif_ blinks | 14:59 | |
| lcuk | Hukka, i said before im old | 15:00 |
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| mgedmin | lcuk, do you mean to imply \ came before /? | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | because Unix came before DOS | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | and used / | 15:00 |
| lcuk | not at all mgedmin im just senile | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: You mean, any of us can steal candy right from your old feeble hands? =) | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I do wonder why \ is on the keyboard of the n900 | 15:03 |
| RST38h | escaping characters | 15:03 |
| lcuk | there is no escape | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - I know. It's handy for shell - but... | 15:04 |
| lcuk | bbl bowling | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | wave. | 15:04 |
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| frals | happy bday lcuk :) | 15:07 |
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| vanadismobile | i found a bug in headphone daemon... | 15:16 |
| Arif_ | report it ! | 15:16 |
| vanadismobile | where should i report it? | 15:16 |
| Arif_ | the bugtracker of the app? | 15:17 |
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| vanadismobile | okay | 15:17 |
| Milhouse | vanadismobile: interesting, what the bug? i mean to look into some odd behaviour this weekend | 15:17 |
| Milhouse | s/what/whats/ | 15:18 |
| infobot | Milhouse meant: vanadismobile: interesting, whats the bug? i mean to look into some odd behaviour this weekend | 15:18 |
| Arif_ | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/headphoned/ | 15:18 |
| vanadismobile | when i plug my headphones out it stops | 15:18 |
| Arif_ | ""Report a bug against....." | 15:18 |
| Milhouse | crashes? | 15:18 |
| vanadismobile | but when i receive a call | 15:18 |
| vanadismobile | the music starts again | 15:19 |
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| Milhouse | i think there is a thread on t.m.o discussing issues when a call is received | 15:19 |
| ShadowJK | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?group_id=1092 | 15:19 |
| wazd | hello starcraft II beta, goodbye work :( | 15:20 |
| Milhouse | or at least when the call is endeded, the music restarts - not sure this is a headphoned issue | 15:20 |
| vanadismobile | kk | 15:20 |
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| ShadowJK | it does pause/resume during call without headphoned too | 15:20 |
| Milhouse | i seems to lose sms/email tones since installing headphoned, but need to confirm if headphoned is the culprit | 15:20 |
| RST38h | probably not | 15:20 |
| Milhouse | only thing i installed prior to losing them | 15:21 |
| Milhouse | agree it shouldn't be responsible, but in the crazy audio world that is maemo5 it's anybodies guess | 15:21 |
| RST38h | nah | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | atleast for bluetooth where sms/call alert sounds go depends on firmware version | 15:24 |
| ShadowJK | first it went to bluetooth, then someone filed bugreport asking for it to go to speaker anyway | 15:25 |
| ShadowJK | I should get a bluetooth headset so I could file bug asking for all sounds through headset ;) | 15:25 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders filing a bug against the UK. | 15:33 | |
| autoguy | Anyone noticed that the bluetooth headset sounds like it is "on line" all the time? | 15:33 |
| autoguy | I get some faint white noise that sounds like it's activated when there is no call activated | 15:33 |
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| PBeck | hi | 15:37 |
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| lopz | hi ;p | 15:38 |
| PBeck | i develop a application in python and i search for a solution how i can display a image besides a text in the hildontouchselector widget | 15:38 |
| PBeck | when i add a new column its not connected to the text column | 15:39 |
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| oly | hi, can anyone tell me where i can get quake 3 ? my searches keep bringing back videos but no actual location to download it from | 15:44 |
| brik | I don't suppose anyone here use 3 with an n900? I'm having problems SMSing abroad, but unsure if it's 3's fault or the n900 | 15:44 |
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| cehteh | brik: i thought the pr1.1 firmware had fixes for 3? | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | brik: any errors? | 15:48 |
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| autoguy | oly: It is is in extras-devel repository | 15:48 |
| autoguy | oly: Check maemo.org how to enable additional repositories. Be aware of the warnings about installing unstable/devel software. I have OpenArena installed and need to pull the battery to restart (for example) | 15:50 |
| brik | Stskeeps: first time I tried I got a red triangle with a ! on the text itself, but no error, after readding contact and restarting phone it appared to go through fine, but they didn't receive my text (tried two different numbers), and can't receive texts either | 15:50 |
| brik | (all from norway) | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | brik: maybe 3's SMSC is acting up | 15:50 |
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| oly | okay cheers devel repo is only one i have not enabled yet | 15:50 |
| oly | been debating as theres a lot of neat apps in there | 15:51 |
| autoguy | oly: yep but it's on your own risk... good luck. | 15:51 |
| oly | hehe, is there anywhere you can check status of the apps | 15:51 |
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| oly | ie if there going to be moving to testing any time soon | 15:52 |
| fzfq3m | hi there guys | 15:52 |
| brik | Stskeeps: guess I'll have to call and whine to them then ^^ | 15:52 |
| autoguy | oly: Not that I know of... But if a program is more for show-off and doesn't have a proper shutdown it probably never will or should. | 15:53 |
| * RST38h suggests having an open debate at Brainstorm and tmo on whether oly should enable extras-devel | 15:53 | |
| autoguy | lol | 15:53 |
| oly | brainstorm / tmo ? | 15:54 |
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| autoguy | RST38h: Don't blame me I'm just trying to be helpful | 15:54 |
| cehteh | extras-devel does not void your warranty .. | 15:54 |
| cehteh | but might be pita :) | 15:54 |
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| autoguy | oly: read brainstorms on maemo.org | 15:54 |
| oly | i will not, was thinking about it any way :) | 15:54 |
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| fzfq3m | I'm a bit confused!! does Maemo automatically update its time zones definitions?? I just got my N900 last night and at first I was unable to set my time zone to "Caracas -4:30" because the time zone wasn´t there | 15:55 |
| oly | i want to port some python code and i will probably need some libraries | 15:55 |
| oly | need to find out whats located where thou | 15:55 |
| fzfq3m | so I left the N900 powered on all night and now it's configured to the right time zone!1 ow's that? | 15:56 |
| oly | is there an enviroment to emulate the n900 for testing ? | 15:56 |
| oly | like using qemu for developing stuff | 15:56 |
| oly | be useful to know | 15:56 |
| fzfq3m | Oly: I was looking for same too... and as far know Maemo SDK does have and Emulator... but I haven´t tried myself | 15:57 |
| nid0 | am I just insanely slow to notice this or is it new in pr1.1.1 that the camera album auto rotates images all 4 directions whenever the phone's turned? | 15:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | 1.1 did that | 15:58 |
| autoguy | oly: M-A-E-M-O . O-R-G ! Read my lips... ;-) | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | fzfq3m: gps | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 15:58 |
| oly | hehe okay, already there downloading an install script | 15:58 |
| fzfq3m | SpeedEvil: may be... I was testing Ovi maps thhis morning | 15:59 |
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| jwittema | Anybody here knows anything about uploading to Extras-devel? | 16:00 |
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| autoguy | nid0: It always did that | 16:01 |
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| fzfq3m | But initially my regional settiings was set to "Spanish (Latin America)" but there was only -5, -6, -7 time zones | 16:01 |
| fzfq3m | not -4:30 | 16:02 |
| fzfq3m | Anyway my N900 is alive :-P and it rocks | 16:02 |
| brik | :D | 16:03 |
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| wizkoder | oly: why not install the maemo sdk? comes with an emulator based on qemu. | 16:04 |
| fzfq3m | does anybody knows is there is already someone working on a native facebook or windows Live Messenger for Maemo 5?? | 16:04 |
| wizkoder | fzfq3m: facebbok works perfect with the jabber protocol | 16:05 |
| satmd | native? | 16:05 |
| satmd | live messenger iirc uses the msn protocol | 16:06 |
| fzfq3m | wizkoder:I just need to add a jabber account to my n900, right? | 16:06 |
| wizkoder | right | 16:06 |
| wizkoder | username@chat.facebook.com | 16:06 |
| wizkoder | change nothing else thehn the username and it works | 16:06 |
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| fzfq3m | satmd: I mean an App like what can be installed on Blackberry.. | 16:07 |
| satmd | oh | 16:08 |
| oly | wizkoder, attempting that now | 16:08 |
| fzfq3m | satmd: N900 is an internet Tablet.. | 16:08 |
| satmd | i have one :p | 16:08 |
| Jaffa | fzfq3m: http://mwkn.net/2010/07/apps.html#apps-3 | 16:08 |
| satmd | but I had concerns about integration with rtcom | 16:08 |
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| wizkoder | msn looses importance for me every day as all my friends are switching to facebook :-) Live in south america though. where microsoft still has too much impact in my opinion ;-) | 16:09 |
| fzfq3m | satm: Thanks | 16:11 |
| fzfq3m | wizkoder: Yeah I hate MSN | 16:12 |
| oly | does scrathbox2 work with the maemo sdk | 16:12 |
| oly | or do i need to get an older version | 16:12 |
| cehteh | the sdk comes with a scratchbox | 16:12 |
| oly | well i download the sdk install script | 16:13 |
| fzfq3m | wizkoder: That's why I'm looking forward Nokia´s Chat... but I think I will give a try to Jabber | 16:13 |
| oly | and when run it says it can not find scratchbox | 16:13 |
| cehteh | that installed a scratchbox for me | 16:13 |
| cehteh | mhm | 16:13 |
| fzfq3m | Thanks to all | 16:13 |
| oly | so i installed scrathbox2 from a repo and still can not find it | 16:13 |
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| oly | but a google revealed there are two versions and that scratchbox2 is quite new | 16:14 |
| cehteh | maybe you go back and rtfm | 16:14 |
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| cehteh | (about adk installation on the wiki) | 16:14 |
| cehteh | sdk | 16:14 |
| oly | okay, but there is no mention of a wiki guide on the download page although there is a seperate scratchbox install script | 16:16 |
| cehteh | yes use that | 16:16 |
| * cehteh just followed the instructions and got a working sdk | 16:17 | |
| oly | was just checking cuz i already have scratchbox | 16:17 |
| oly | but i shall try that | 16:17 |
| cehteh | well .. i am now looking forward to install the sdk on the device in a chroot someday | 16:17 |
| cehteh | manual apt setup without debootstrap might be a bit pita | 16:18 |
| cehteh | mhm prolly i just rsync the armel target over there | 16:18 |
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| * satmd avoids facebook | 16:24 | |
| satmd | actually I avoid everything web2.0 | 16:24 |
| satmd | but... jabber... I like that one | 16:24 |
| satmd | can be used to glue other services like icq/msn, too | 16:24 |
| satmd | and since you can run one yourself, you can use it to deliver nagios status updates | 16:25 |
| * satmd is managing a research facility's it | 16:26 | |
| satmd | saves me a lot of digging around | 16:26 |
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| w00t_ | satmd: fb can be used via jabber now | 16:26 |
| satmd | true, but I have no incentive to join fb? | 16:27 |
| w00t_ | sure, just noting | 16:27 |
| satmd | ;) | 16:27 |
| GAN900 | le sigh | 16:27 |
| * satmd notices how his n900 gets warm when gpodder is downloading podcasts | 16:27 | |
| GAN900 | gotta love it when breakers break | 16:28 |
| * w00t_ is personally happy he can use identi.ca/twitter via jabber now | 16:28 | |
| satmd | also... why doesn't it allow me to chose where to store the downloads... had to symlink the mmc in place | 16:28 |
| * satmd avoids twitter, too | 16:28 | |
| w00t_ | :) | 16:29 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: is geneven's method just ad hominem attacks? :P | 16:31 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, dunno, gots no power. :/ | 16:31 |
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| cehteh | PatternDeviceOn=254;0;0;gb;9d804001620863087f007f007f007f007f007f007f007f007f007f007f000000;9d800000 | 16:32 |
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| cehteh | :) .. better now | 16:32 |
| cehteh | someone should write an app to graphically design blinking patterns | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Go for it! | 16:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Fingerpaint a squiggly line. | 16:33 |
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| cehteh | yeah | 16:36 |
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| user_ | hi all | 16:47 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, ah, classy comment | 16:50 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, yeah, he's pretty much a negative-energy contributor. | 16:50 |
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| sp3000 | mmm electrons | 16:51 |
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| Justus | hiis there | 17:00 |
| Justus | lol XD | 17:00 |
| Justus | Hi | 17:00 |
| Justus | is there a way to activate/use the cam on the front of the N900 yet? | 17:00 |
| Justus | some software or the like? | 17:00 |
| wolf^ | mirror | 17:01 |
| cehteh | there is mirror | 17:01 |
| Justus | can it take captions? | 17:01 |
| cehteh | but the cam is utterly crap and the firmware doesnt drive it correctly making it even more crap | 17:01 |
| cehteh | its a v4l device | 17:01 |
| cehteh | you can code with it, but saying that image quality is bad would be a gross overstatement | 17:01 |
| brik | the mirror isn't too bad in daylight :> | 17:02 |
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| Justus | k, thanks for the info :) | 17:02 |
| cehteh | you have other daylight than me then | 17:02 |
| Justus | mother of... | 17:03 |
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| Justus | ok | 17:03 |
| Justus | now I KNOW what you meant, cehteh XD | 17:03 |
| cehteh | my frontcam seems to have a lot of dead pixels too | 17:03 |
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| adalal | anyone know if the video chat works on IM with the 1.1.1? | 17:05 |
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| mece | adalal, still no way of initiating it at least. | 17:05 |
| adalal | mece: so if the other party initiates it, it works? | 17:06 |
| brik | cehteh: by not too bad, I mean it's not half black like it is in bad lighting :p | 17:06 |
| mece | adalal, dunno, haven't tested it. But I hear it works to some extent on gtalk. There was a thread about it on TMO after PR1.1 came out. | 17:08 |
| mece | adalal, PR1.1.1 doesn't affect either way. | 17:09 |
| adalal | ah okay | 17:09 |
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| crashanddie | "Check your email!" "Sorry, I marked you as spam" "Who's Pam?" | 17:15 |
| mece | LOL | 17:15 |
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| gouverneur | could some guys pastebin their powertop output with idle device (no data connection and nothing running but xterm), please | 17:22 |
| gouverneur | I need to verify a usbcharging problem | 17:23 |
| gouverneur | with usb "only charging" | 17:23 |
| ShadowJK | how would powertop help? | 17:23 |
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| gouverneur | I see significant C-state differences and other stuff, I want to have a look at other outputs from people who at least think their device is charging ok with usb | 17:24 |
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| ab3339 | i am not satisfied with the way my device charges with usb | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 17:26 |
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| ab3339 | sometimes even after 2 hours of usb charging there is no difference in battery power | 17:27 |
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| gouverneur | ab3339: | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK | It doesn't tell you how much power it's able to get from the usb host | 17:29 |
| cehteh | with 1.0 it worked | 17:29 |
| ab3339 | and sometimes i plug it to a computer and get "not charging, insufficient power" | 17:29 |
| gouverneur | compare http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1803747 at usb "charging only" with wlan and xchat on with http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1803748 without usb-cradle | 17:29 |
| gouverneur | ShadowJK: hal-device bme tells and it should be 500mA | 17:30 |
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| * ShadowJK doesn't consider that as telling | 17:30 | |
| ShadowJK | it's just a mode I thought | 17:30 |
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| gouverneur | well there is no telling but from bme... | 17:31 |
| cehteh | well there seems to be some bug which produces excess interrupts | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | lsusb on the host side | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | C4 at 0% during charging is a good sign | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, i dont think that's reliable either | 17:31 |
| cehteh | http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1803747 line 11 | 17:31 |
| cehteh | bbl | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, you only see how much power the device requested, now how much it actually uses | 17:31 |
| gouverneur | cehteh: thats about the same with wall charger | 17:31 |
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| ShadowJK | the extra interrupts are awesome, it shows the OS is talking to the power management chips | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: no, it's not, I meant that'd show you how much it's negotiated gor | 17:32 |
| gouverneur | I am using a powered usb-hub (powers usb-hdds with one cable where std ports need 2...) | 17:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | gouverneur: that won't power at >500mA - the supplied charger ideally will | 17:36 |
| gouverneur | main difference to wall charger are powerdomains per core neon and mpu, they are at 85-95% OFF with wall-charger and 98- 100% ON with usb-charging | 17:36 |
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| RST38h | so it kills neon to make the device charge from usb port? :) | 17:38 |
| gouverneur | SpeedEvil: hdds would not spin up with <800mA | 17:38 |
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| gouverneur | RST38h: "it kills"? | 17:38 |
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| pupnik_ | what is new and fun that i missed? | 17:42 |
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| GAN900 | Time for a new UPS battery, methinks. | 17:46 |
| gouverneur | pupnik_: usb-charging sucks | 17:48 |
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| pupnik_ | it seems to work well here | 17:50 |
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| pupnik_ | i have about 400 pics in media viewer in some directory and it doesnt show me which directory contains all the unwanted images | 18:02 |
| pupnik_ | it is a terrible trend to hide locations | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 18:03 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders how to launch xv when image viewer starts. | 18:03 | |
| pupnik_ | thankfuly "find" works | 18:03 |
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| RST38h | moo javispedro | 18:04 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: modulo busybox find being shitty. | 18:04 |
| javispedro | morning | 18:04 |
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| pupnik_ | moo | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | unobtainium.... thadellbehandium... iwishwecouldvemoreium | 18:05 |
| pupnik_ | well i had an interesting event. fell down on the ice and knocked myself out. now two days i could barely speak. got a brain scan. neurosurgeon says i will recover | 18:06 |
| RST38h | urgh | 18:07 |
| crashanddie | Russel Howard: "Avatar? Best cinema experience? No it isn't. I was watching 6th Sense, and the little kid goes "I see dead people", and someone right off the back goes "That's nothing mate, I shag 'em" | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_:/ | 18:07 |
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| pupnik_ | it is scary to not bem able to read or speak | 18:08 |
| sh0gun_ | hi, anyone with ghost armor screen protector? :) | 18:08 |
| pupnik_ | still takes focus | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Only once been unable to read. Due to bad migrane. Scary. | 18:08 |
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| pupnik_ | ow. | 18:09 |
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| gouverneur | mmh looks like bme is doing nothing while 'only-charging' but with pc-suit mode... http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1803779 | 18:10 |
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| Arkenoi | Every time i see "flashlight" update i hope it will block camera app launch someday ;-) | 18:13 |
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| GAN900 | Stupid EDGE | 18:13 |
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| pupnik | switching from 3g to GSM isnt seamless now... | 18:16 |
| javispedro | pupnik: oh, scary. that happened to me too | 18:17 |
| javispedro | pupnik: I recovered in a few hours | 18:17 |
| pupnik | really? | 18:17 |
| javispedro | well I could read but not speak | 18:17 |
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| * RST38h only got paralized after taking too much antihistamines once. | 18:17 | |
| pupnik | hit your head? | 18:17 |
| javispedro | yea | 18:17 |
| RST38h | Head was ok, but everything below shut down. Not very pleasant | 18:18 |
| javispedro | pupnik: felt down on concrete, backwards | 18:18 |
| javispedro | *fell | 18:18 |
| pupnik | well some angel brought me home through two miles of dark and snow | 18:18 |
| pupnik | do you remember it javispedro ? | 18:19 |
| javispedro | yeah, I was 17 iirc | 18:19 |
| ShadowJK | I've had it charge in PC Suite mode, atleast, when I connect N900 to my Debian 4.0 box and use the N900 as modem, it lasts much longer than it should on battery alone | 18:20 |
| pupnik | i dont remember a thing. n900 survived fine :) | 18:20 |
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| javispedro | I didn't black out | 18:21 |
| javispedro | it seems you did -- that's way more serious | 18:21 |
| javispedro | (a common hollywood misunderstanding btw) | 18:21 |
| javispedro | so hope you're ok :) | 18:22 |
| javispedro | *i hope | 18:22 |
| pupnik | i was trying to irc yesterday. total fail! | 18:22 |
| * RST38h thought for irc you do not need to read, just write ? | 18:22 | |
| gouverneur | pupnik: n900 survived 5 days of snowboarding | 18:22 |
| pupnik | any snow/wet? | 18:23 |
| gouverneur | no | 18:23 |
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| gouverneur | well snow yes and some drops on the display from the snowglasses | 18:23 |
| gouverneur | but it didnt fell in teh snow if you meant that | 18:24 |
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| pupnik | people with problems complain more often than people with no problems report no problems | 18:25 |
| gouverneur | damn | 18:25 |
| javispedro | that's common on the internet :) | 18:25 |
| gouverneur | ;) | 18:26 |
| javispedro | I have problems! My N900's left speaker broke | 18:26 |
| pupnik | that does suck | 18:26 |
| javispedro | for unknown reasons. One morning it just stopped working. | 18:26 |
| gouverneur | do you guys ever use charging only with usb? | 18:26 |
| javispedro | yeah, it's fine if you know the PC is going to be turned on for at least 5-6 hours | 18:26 |
| pupnik | i always use charger or external | 18:27 |
| gouverneur | mmh | 18:27 |
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| PBeck | hi | 18:28 |
| PBeck | is it possible to add a searchwidget on the hildondesktop? | 18:28 |
| PBeck | i have tried it on python with gtk.entry, but i get no focus on the field? | 18:28 |
| ssvb | pupnik: I remember my karate instructor once told us that training falling techniques properly is very important and they even should teach this stuff in normal schools, especially considering how many people get injuries, break limbs, etc. when it is slippery | 18:29 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, proto? :P | 18:29 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, demand a replacement! | 18:29 |
| ZogG | javispedro are you saying it's bad not to use full charge? | 18:29 |
| javispedro | no, not proto | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | PBeck, I'm sure I saw widgets like that in extras or extras-devel | 18:30 |
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| ZogG | why do facebook adds faceebok icon and when i open it it sends me to app manager, where it says that i already have it) | 18:30 |
| ZogG | kinda loop | 18:30 |
| gouverneur | ssvb: my brother was trained falling technics 10 years ago, he remembers them but still fell on his wrists and broke both... cause he just didnt do what he was told to... | 18:31 |
| PBeck | mgedmin: know you a name of that widgets? | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | PBeck, no | 18:31 |
| PBeck | mgedmin: ok i will have a look | 18:31 |
| pupnik | very useful ssvb. you can survive car accidents etc. | 18:31 |
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| javispedro | ZogG: why do you ask that? No, i'm saying that both usb and wall cable charging are fine. | 18:32 |
| GAN900 | gouverneur, gotta be in your muscle memory. | 18:32 |
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| javispedro | in fact, usb might be better sfor battery life since it charges at a slower rate. | 18:32 |
| gouverneur | GAN900: yes ;) | 18:33 |
| ZogG | javispedro oh - i just saw <javispedro> yeah, it's fine if you know the PC is going to be turned on for at least 5-6 hours | 18:33 |
| javispedro | ZogG: because a full usb charge takes around 5-6 hours on my desktop | 18:34 |
| pupnik | im buying better boots this week | 18:34 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, uninstall facebook installer | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | facebook-installer if you're using terminal :) | 18:38 |
| ZogG | oh | 18:38 |
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| ZogG | thanks | 18:38 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, i preffer app manager if it can handle things and if it doesn't i use terminal | 18:38 |
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| MohammadAG | HAM's slower than using apt-get | 18:39 |
| javispedro | heh | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | or maybe I just prefer commands | 18:39 |
| ZogG | i'm not debian/ubuntu guy - so unfamiliar with all commands and stuff | 18:39 |
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| javispedro | google is sending like 30 android phones to my uni | 18:39 |
| * ZogG will never exchange his gentoo on anything =) | 18:39 | |
| javispedro | seems they want to start promoting app development | 18:40 |
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| ZogG | uni? | 18:40 |
| ZogG | what is uni? (sorry for my english) | 18:40 |
| cehteh | university | 18:41 |
| javispedro | university | 18:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hooray for electricity | 18:42 |
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| ali1234 | javispedro: you might get a load of the early prototypes | 18:43 |
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| javispedro | this is part of some master plan to force us to create a learning android course | 18:44 |
| ali1234 | they sent a load of sooners to some other unis | 18:45 |
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| ali1234 | they are omap850 so no support for new android but wing-linux project is trying to provide unofficial support | 18:45 |
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| ali1234 | these ones: http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/userimages/2008/03/google-android-phones-fall-08.jpg | 18:47 |
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| javispedro | heh | 18:47 |
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| ali1234 | i don't know why any university woul dmake a course based around a specific toolkit, but oh well | 18:49 |
| javispedro | actually, we have a mandatory qt+opengl one. | 18:49 |
| ali1234 | when i was at uni we had a comp graphics course using opengl but it was about theory primarily | 18:50 |
| ali1234 | as were all the courses | 18:50 |
| javispedro | of course... | 18:51 |
| ali1234 | the closest we had was the DB course which was basically just SQL | 18:51 |
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| ali1234 | oh and there was a mandatory course on using MS office but that was for all students not just comp sci, and only 2 weeks long | 18:52 |
| * mgedmin had some VRML at the uni, but no OpenGL, sadly | 18:52 | |
| inz | ive had opengl at the uni | 18:52 |
| inz | had already forgotten, but was browsing old files and saw the excercise | 18:53 |
| javispedro | I don't personally like "user's-guide reading courses" either (which is how I call those) | 18:53 |
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| inz | also had a gui programming course using Qt and WinForms | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | on the good side, we didn't have any of those at our uni | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | on the not so good side, we didn't have many interesting other topics either (e.g. unit testing) | 18:54 |
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| rabidpoobear | mikkov: you here or just idling? | 18:57 |
| javispedro | of course, if they want to have a non-mandatory android course, letem | 18:57 |
| * javispedro ponders creating a symbian/maemo/meego/moblin 2 or 3 credit course... | 18:59 | |
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| unixSnob | ali1234: i'm quite disgusted to hear that MS office is a required class - especially if cs majors are part of that absurd requirement | 19:11 |
| unixSnob | ali1234: what university is this? | 19:12 |
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| ali1234 | a good one | 19:12 |
| unixSnob | MS university? | 19:12 |
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| ali1234 | it's not like there were alternatives when i was in uni | 19:12 |
| unixSnob | no "good" university would promote anything lesser than LaTeX | 19:12 |
| unixSnob | latex predates Office | 19:12 |
| ali1234 | latex is not a reasonable alternative for english majors | 19:13 |
| unixSnob | Word is a tool for dummies | 19:13 |
| ali1234 | ^ | 19:13 |
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| unixSnob | well for CS majors, it's a pure demonstration of incompetence on the part of the staff | 19:14 |
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| RST38h | More importantly, Word does not let you work on anything bigger than a resignation letter | 19:14 |
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| * unixSnob high fives RST38h | 19:14 | |
| mgedmin | Word97 wasn't all _that_ bad | 19:15 |
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| mgedmin | I was forced to use it to collaborate on a group project back in 2000 | 19:15 |
| RST38h | Every single Word I have seen could not handle more than 30 pages of text | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | if you don't let anybody else touch the file and apply styles religiously, it's not horrible | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | I think I didn't reach 30 pages, though | 19:15 |
| unixSnob | i've heard of some profs requiring a thesis to be prepared in Word -- which is absolutely pure incompetence.. | 19:15 |
| RST38h | They all start crashing randomly, or just behaving weirdly | 19:15 |
| javispedro | s/apply styles/apply fonts and shit instead of styles | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | I gave it bonus points for fitting in my 640x480 laptop screen | 19:15 |
| RST38h | A few pages is ok. But try writing a PhD thesis in word (in English Literature if you wish) and you are fucked. | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: IIRC word 2 was quite OK | 19:16 |
| ali1234 | how would they even know what software you made it in after you print it out? | 19:16 |
| mgedmin | fwiw the "apply styles" was part of "you do that" rather than "don't let anybody" | 19:16 |
| mgedmin | poor grammar there | 19:16 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: ah, poor understanding on my part too. yes, i see what you meant. | 19:16 |
| RST38h | ali1234: Well, if you do get to printing it out withot losing it to a crash, I can instantly tell you what software created it | 19:16 |
| * mgedmin used LaTeX for his algebra homework -- that ruled | 19:16 | |
| unixSnob | There is no "okay" version of word when it comes to academic papers -- WYSIWYG is the wrong tool for the job | 19:16 |
| wazd | Reheya all | 19:16 |
| RST38h | ali1234: Word is really bad at typesetting | 19:16 |
| * mgedmin also used LaTeX for his thesis -- that was, occasionally, painful | 19:17 | |
| javispedro | tex vs wysiwyg flame war! | 19:17 |
| RST38h | Although, again, it works for short letters or memos | 19:17 |
| unixSnob | mgedmin: but it was a good pain, no? | 19:17 |
| mgedmin | you need a thick LaTeX book and a bit of cargo-culting to get it to work | 19:17 |
| RST38h | there are wysiwyg TeX shells | 19:17 |
| mgedmin | the thesis didn't have math in it, so in the end I was unsure it was worth the pain | 19:17 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: actually you need a thin latex book | 19:17 |
| mgedmin | well, all I had was a thick one | 19:17 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: part of your pain may have been caused hby the thick latex book | 19:18 |
| wazd | Quark ftw :p | 19:18 |
| mgedmin | actually, no | 19:18 |
| unixSnob | mgedmin: it can be painful to learn, but if you learn it early enough, the payback is massive | 19:18 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: The thin latex book costs $60-$80 BTW ;) | 19:18 |
| derf | I've never used any LaTeX documentation that wasn't a Google search away. | 19:18 |
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| mgedmin | the procedure was "I want to achieve this" -> open table of contents/index, find examples, look at them, copy | 19:18 |
| unixSnob | the Citations and indexing is priceless in latex | 19:18 |
| javispedro | learning by example :) | 19:18 |
| mgedmin | I found a Russian translation of the LaTeX 2epsilon companion (I think), which was much cheaper | 19:18 |
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| unixSnob | javispedro: who's winning? | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | winning what? | 19:19 |
| unixSnob | mgedmin: flame war | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | the mobile OS sector? | 19:19 |
| javispedro | unixSnob: AppleWorks, of course. | 19:19 |
| wazd | Javispedro: pfff | 19:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | AppleWorks | 19:20 |
| roadi | hildon-home uses 100% of my cpu; rebooting the n900 was not the solution; any ideas? btw after few seconds the n900 asks me to kill this process but its for the home-screen so it will be restartet and the problem starts again. :( | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man, what a throwback. | 19:20 |
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| wazd | Javispedro: appleworks is fine for nursery editting lessons :) | 19:20 |
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| javispedro | heh | 19:20 |
| javispedro | poor nurses | 19:20 |
| unixSnob | i'm really interested in finding out what "good" university ali1234 is talking about | 19:21 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: You want this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201529831 | 19:21 |
| wazd | word 2k7 ftw :) | 19:21 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Or its cheaper translated incarnation | 19:21 |
| RST38h | That is the "thin" book :) | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | roadi, disable your plugins one by one until you find the one responsible | 19:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: BTW could you relay a few things to Vlad from me? | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, actually it may be that I had a translation of that one instead of the companion... I'm not sure | 19:22 |
| javispedro | unixSnob: actually I would like to find any university that doesn't teach msword or mspowerpoint for _any_ major | 19:22 |
| ali1234 | unixSnob: university of manchester, freshman year 1998 | 19:22 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Lamport's book is actually useful, we bought several copies for the lab back at the university | 19:22 |
| unixSnob | javispedro: that would be impressive.. but it's also a good idea to blacklist the ones that both offer and require ms word | 19:23 |
| RST38h | Not that it makes LaTeX a breeze, but at hundreds of pages it is the only game in town | 19:23 |
| wazd | RsT38h: sure | 19:23 |
| unixSnob | I learnt LaTeX in college -- and really regretted not learning it in middle school | 19:23 |
| wazd | Rst38h: money, goods?) | 19:23 |
| javispedro | you're always going to find the usual professor that only handles .doc files. Which shouldn't matter, really. | 19:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: OMWeather refuses to do an explicit update (button click) when connected via GPRS | 19:23 |
| roadi | mgedmin: i havn't added; i configured the synchronisation with tine but i deleted it ... and nothing changed. the calendars hangs too. | 19:24 |
| RST38h | wazd: Says "No wifi, gprs updates disabled" | 19:24 |
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| RST38h | wazd: which is kinda stupid given that I explicitely asked it to update (once) | 19:24 |
| RST38h | wazd: secondly, when it tries an update and cannot connect, it clears up the weather data and shows up empty | 19:25 |
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| RST38h | wazd: It probably makes sense keeping the previous data if it can't obtain the current one | 19:25 |
| wazd | Hmm | 19:25 |
| RST38h | wazd: and, thirdly, can it play its animation every time desktop shows up (like after going to the task switcher or an app)? :) | 19:25 |
| unixSnob | Closed source products are not conducive the education -- they take an anti-education stance by existing as something that prohibits being studied | 19:26 |
| RST38h | wazd: I mean, it does not HAVE TO, but it just looks cool, so showing it more often is cute :) | 19:26 |
| wazd | Rst38h: ok, I'll tell him | 19:26 |
| RST38h | wazd: thanks =) | 19:26 |
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| unixSnob | not to mention the cost of closed source products | 19:26 |
| RST38h | wazd: Looks like shmuma finally got commit rights to maemo mapper, so no more forks | 19:26 |
| wazd | Rst38h: yep, heard of it | 19:27 |
| unixSnob | it's entirely reckless for a prof to require a Word doc submission. The only reason we have openoffice.org is due to guesswork on the .doc spec | 19:27 |
| disco_stu | hi | 19:27 |
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| unixSnob | look what you guys did.. got my blood pressure worked up | 19:28 |
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| wazd | Rst38h: expect yandex rebranding n stuff) | 19:29 |
| RST38h | unixSnob: A quick blood letting should fix that =) | 19:29 |
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| unixSnob | if I were a prof, I would require LaTeX submissions. I know it would piss people off, but it would be worth it | 19:30 |
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| unixSnob | some students would hate it, but then thank a latex-forcing prof later | 19:32 |
| derf | unixSnob: Genious. | 19:32 |
| aquatix | :) | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | the first part is actually true | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | I'm afraid the second part is wishful thinking | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | well, maybe one or two students might | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | our calculus prof made a bet with one student that LaTeX can produce prettier math output than MS word | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | all of our class were judges | 19:34 |
| unixSnob | any students that have to write more papers would thank me | 19:34 |
| roadi | is this a latex make sense channel?! | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | the prof won | 19:34 |
| unixSnob | the students in their last year may be thankless | 19:34 |
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| mgedmin | speaking of which, has LaTeX been ported to maemo? | 19:34 |
| derf | mgedmin: Those one or two students would be the only ones who were worth it. | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, because that makes so much different from the professors who require .doc. | 19:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: He can brand it with Satan's hoof, if he likes, as long as he adds support for retromaps.ru =) | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | if not, why? people might want to write their thesis while on a plane or something | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | also, latex-beamer + TV-output = portable slide deck! | 19:35 |
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| Hukka | Ugh, slides... overused and overrated, if you ask me | 19:36 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: It's teaching a useful technical skill. | 19:36 |
| Hukka | And it already has pdf reader, no need to generate the files on the device | 19:36 |
| derf | The difference being that it's both free and actually looks good. | 19:36 |
| unixSnob | mgregsond: you can write in latex on a maemo.. just need a text editor | 19:36 |
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| roadi | could you talk in another channel?! | 19:37 |
| unixSnob | mgregsond: and it would actually make some sense, because you would want to reduce typing, so you would write macros to keep it short | 19:37 |
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| javispedro | unixSnob: check your nick tab completion settings. | 19:37 |
| unixSnob | ah | 19:38 |
| unixSnob | thanks | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, for which people can take a class. | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, how is learning LaTeX relevant to an English course? | 19:38 |
| unixSnob | GeneralAntilles: latex supports citations, unlike word | 19:38 |
| unixSnob | GeneralAntilles: latex saved me copious time in english classes | 19:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, good, then as an English professor you can recommend that it might be a useful tool for your students. | 19:39 |
| unixSnob | the idea is that you focus on the subject matter, not the appearance, and you still end up with something that appears better | 19:39 |
| unixSnob | GeneralAntilles: teachers can recommend all they want - students are lazy | 19:40 |
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| pupnik | teachers can fail students | 19:40 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: Typing is a skill that is not related to English, and yet everyone still requires assignments to be typed. | 19:40 |
| unixSnob | GeneralAntilles: you can recommend that students write a daily essay to improve their writing skills. None of them will take that advice | 19:40 |
| RST38h | grade the essays daily | 19:41 |
| RST38h | kick out students who miss 3 essays in a row | 19:41 |
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| unixSnob | pupnik: that's a copout for lazy profs | 19:41 |
| pupnik | it would be waste if only one prof used latex | 19:42 |
| javispedro | force your students to type in LaTeX when they know Word for no other reason other than "I want it" and you'll end up with a LaTeX-haters generation. | 19:42 |
| javispedro | let the two or three interested people who may like it discover it for themselves | 19:42 |
| pupnik | we should have been taught latext in first semeester | 19:43 |
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| unixSnob | javispedro: the students who hate latex will be the ones who didn't really learn it | 19:43 |
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| javispedro | .. who will represent more than half of the alumni. | 19:44 |
| unixSnob | javispedro: it's pretty indisputable that someone who knows latex pretty well will save copious time, and produce better papers | 19:44 |
| javispedro | asked the XeTeX people about that? | 19:44 |
| unixSnob | javispedro: well let's not drag down the top of the class to make life easy on the lower class | 19:45 |
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| derf | unixSnob: That's the basic tenet of the entire US education system. | 19:45 |
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| javispedro | s/US/developed countries | 19:45 |
| derf | Well, I haven't been through everyone's education system, so I wasn't going to make accusations. | 19:45 |
| javispedro | you haven't been through every school on the US either :) | 19:46 |
| javispedro | but you know the general direction and interpolate | 19:46 |
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| villager | it's not the basic tenet of the Norwegian education system, are you calling us not developed? | 19:46 |
| RST38h | Oh well | 19:46 |
| RST38h | Once again: Someone has got to work at MacD and write HTML and drive buses | 19:47 |
| villager | our education system isn't among the best, ok, but I think we're developed | 19:47 |
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| RST38h | And, by all means, keep students' self esteem up: it makes them more gullible in the future =) | 19:47 |
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| pupnik | hehe | 19:48 |
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| * Arif_ throws students at RST38h | 19:50 | |
| * RST38h eats incoming students with ketchup | 19:50 | |
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| derf | javispedro: I at least know what the US-wide policies are, like "No Child Left Behind". | 19:50 |
| Markus23 | any plans that n900 supports sending and receiving files (over e.g. skype, jabber)? | 19:50 |
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| derf | Otherwise known as "Every Child Kept Back". | 19:50 |
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| * RST38h once drew "Planned Suicide Rates by Class" at a board in the TA room on April 1st | 19:51 | |
| Markus23 | the coolest feature would be to open a browser in the background! | 19:51 |
| Markus23 | and customizable search engines, e.g. wikipedia | 19:51 |
| RST38h | derf: It actually does depend on the school, but not a lot of schools are good enough | 19:52 |
| Arif_ | a virtual keyboard with usable sized keys would be nice too | 19:52 |
| Arif_ | ;p | 19:52 |
| RST38h | Markus: Incredible, your wish may come true pretty soon in Maemo5 | 19:52 |
| RST38h | Not that I know why you would need a browser on the background | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | arif: you mean half the current size so you can see what you're typing? | 19:53 |
| Arif_ | no | 19:53 |
| Arif_ | I press 3 buttons at once now | 19:53 |
| Arif_ | they're pretty small ;( | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | heh, ShadowJK, I want that -- I want the old small vkb back | 19:54 |
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| Arif_ | ....do I have big fingers? :P | 19:54 |
| RST38h | Arif: answer: nails. | 19:54 |
| * mgedmin nods | 19:54 | |
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| villager | Arif_: didn't they bundle that handy stylus with your device? | 19:55 |
| Arif_ | yeah I use that | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | actually, with the feedback you get from the current vkb, even thick fingers ought to work fine -- if you don't see the letter you wanted, wiggle the finger around until you do | 19:55 |
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| mgedmin | hitting links in the browser is harder | 19:55 |
| Markus23 | RST38h: if i am on a site and there are 3,4 interesting links but I would like to go on reading on that side (and later on the interesting links) | 19:55 |
| Markus23 | that happens more often that I directly go to any link | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | Markus23, tap-and-hold, wait for the popup menu, click on "open in new window", wait 1 second | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | click on task navigator, switch back to old browser window | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | would be nice if new window opened in the background, but meh | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | would be even nicer if back button was instantaneous | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | the caches get purged too quickly | 19:57 |
| Markus23 | mgedmin: unfortunately it does not open immediately, depending on load it takes 2,3 seconds, and then the reading flow is interrupted | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | click-somewhere-by-accident, press back, wait for the page to be reloaded and rerendered => annoyance increases | 19:57 |
| Markus23 | who needs the back button when the interesting pages stay open? | 19:57 |
| Arif_ | heh | 19:58 |
| Arif_ | MicroB can't render DVBViewer's recording service web ui :D | 19:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | ? | 20:01 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: accidental clicks are killing me on N900 | 20:02 |
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| RST38h | In fact, Maemo5 requires way too many clicks =( | 20:02 |
| pupnik | where RST38h | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | yeah, Nokia doesn't employ a tap-counter like Palm did | 20:02 |
| midas | atleast you can click :p | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | nice animations and flicker-free UI placate me somewhat | 20:03 |
| pupnik | ctrl-backspace is annoying? | 20:03 |
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| javispedro | it's what you get these days.. | 20:03 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: shmuma is now official maemo-mapper contributor. and he says yandex traffin info is available now. I updated, but there is no "sync" button he wrote about and no maps besides OSM :-/ | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | except for the landscape-to-portrait extremely too-long and silly double-whiz-bang rotation thing | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | I hate *that* | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | All About Maemo is now trying to assert that because some people don't bother to inform themselves something is a "secret". | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | url? | 20:04 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: yet another Oct2009 fansite I guess | 20:04 |
| Markus23 | will meego (and so also maemo) really use rpm? | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | maemo.org still slow | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, only sort of. | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.allaboutmaemo.com/features/item/How_to_unlock_the_FM_radio_on_the_Nokia_N900.php | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Click whoring language. | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | Markus23, afaik Maemo 6 will use deb | 20:04 |
| w00t_ | GeneralAntilles: and you're helping validate that model! ;) | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | nobody knows about Maemo 7 (or if there will be a Maemo 7) | 20:04 |
| Arif_ | "unlock" eh | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | Maemo 6 will be marketed as "MeeGo" | 20:05 |
| Arkenoi | btw | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | I've no idea how to make that compatible with "MeeGo uses RPM" | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | maybe you'll be able to install rpms on a Nokia N1000 | 20:05 |
| range | Hmmm. I only needed to install an application, didn't need to unlock anything ... | 20:05 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: Nokia doesn't care. | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | via alien or something like that | 20:05 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, my precious secrets! | 20:05 |
| w00t_ | mgedmin: marketing-wise, it's meego, platform-wise, it's not | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | Debian is lsb-compliant, in theory, isn't it? | 20:05 |
| Arkenoi | if you press on yellow messaging notification while in protrait mode, you see messaging protrait mode for a brief preriod of time, then it gets rotated ;-) | 20:05 |
| Markus23 | ok, so Maemo 6 will be called "MeeGo" compatible but having deb | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | LSB mandates RPM | 20:05 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: they want you to code for qt but be able to package for symbian and deb and rpm | 20:05 |
| w00t_ | (at least, not fully) | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | not for OS packages, but 3rd-party RPMs must be installable | 20:05 |
| Markus23 | isnt there also a plan to have Maemo 5 MeeGo compatible? | 20:06 |
| w00t_ | Markus23: 'compatible' is a funny word | 20:06 |
| GAN900 | mgedmin, for app devs and users it shouldn't matter | 20:06 |
| w00t_ | Markus23: 'compatible' in what respect? | 20:06 |
| javispedro | Maemo 5 is as compatible with MeeGo as MeeGo 1.0 will be compatible with the real MeeGo ;) | 20:06 |
| GAN900 | mgedmin, and those two are the most likely groups to become confused. | 20:06 |
| Markus23 | mgedmin: of course, with the lsb-* packages it is lsb compatible, except of the package manager of course :-) | 20:06 |
| Markus23 | w00t_: I suppose it means that the apps will run without problems on the plattform? | 20:07 |
| w00t_ | Markus23: in which case, if they're qt, and don't rely on maemo5-specific bits, they'll work | 20:07 |
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| w00t_ | Markus23: if they're not, it pretty much depends on what they use - regular gtk stuff will work, I've no idea as to whether hildon will be staying around | 20:07 |
| gouverneur | where is the 64bit flasher? | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | does 0xFFFF work on 64-bit? | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | also, does it work with N900?: | 20:09 |
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| Afterthought | Hello, I want to install a programme called 'Workrave' (http://linuxappfinder.com/package/workrave) on Nokia N900. Is this possible? | 20:16 |
| gouverneur | mmh usb-charging does not work and something is wrong with hal and bme... | 20:17 |
| gouverneur | 2h on usb gives -10%charge... thats about without charging and normal (my normal) use | 20:18 |
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| RST38h | OMG Ctrl+Space finally fixed!!! | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: huh? | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, ctrl | 20:22 |
| midas | stupid phone wont even flash :/ | 20:23 |
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| midas | it's stuck in a reboot cycle without usb | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | midas: shouldn't be possible | 20:24 |
| midas | DocScrutinizer: but it is | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | midas: for flashing only the bootloader is needed. Bootloader shouldn't ever cycle | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | midas: what's the meaning od "without usb" ? | 20:25 |
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| pupnik | what is ctrl space for? | 20:25 |
| midas | i get the nokia background without backlite, flasher is waiting for a usb device but never finds the n900 | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | switch input lang | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | midas: you hold the "U" key? | 20:26 |
| midas | yep | 20:26 |
| midas | just keeps rebooting | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | midas: you had the device powered down, and hold "u" while plugging in the usb cable? | 20:27 |
| gouverneur | Afterthought: try and tell us! | 20:27 |
| midas | can try that one DocScrutinizer | 20:27 |
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| midas | still keeps rebooting | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | midas: it works. just a little tricky to get the right sequence. But you *can* recover from infinte reboot - I did | 20:29 |
| midas | does the simcard have to be in the phone? | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | midas: except when your USB is broken | 20:29 |
| Afterthought | gouverneur, I will :) Or if you know of a similar app that I can download/install easily through the app manager please let me know. | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | midas: simcard doesn't matter | 20:29 |
| midas | it does say its charging | 20:30 |
| midas | yellow led | 20:30 |
| * ShadowJK wouldn't trust that | 20:31 | |
| midas | lol | 20:31 |
| midas | cant even trust the leds! | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | although the charging circuit does have direct control to make yellow | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | midas: iirc the correct sequence is: start flasher on host PC, hold 'u' on powered down device, plug in USB | 20:31 |
| cehteh | lshal | grep batt should be the most authorative answer you can get | 20:32 |
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| midas | cehteh: nice, i cant boot the phone tho. | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: ShadowJK: it's about flashing here, not charging | 20:32 |
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| cehteh | ok | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, afaik attempting to flash results on reboot loop if the battery is too low :) | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ack | 20:33 |
| midas | true | 20:33 |
| midas | but without a charger for the battery.. | 20:33 |
| midas | or a xmusic phone or something with the same battery :P | 20:33 |
| cehteh | you are somehow fucked :P | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 20:34 |
| midas | do explain :p | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | charging is managed by a minimal core system which boots during plugin of charger. This minimal system must not bootcycle obviously, but if the LED shows it's charging, it probably actually does | 20:35 |
| midas | cehteh: the best part is, it keeps rebooting so it cant charge :P | 20:35 |
| cehteh | put it into charger for a while? | 20:35 |
| midas | it charges for 1 minute or so, then cycles forever | 20:35 |
| midas | how long does it normally needs to charge for 50 or so %? | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | midas: without you starting the device by pressing powerbutton? | 20:36 |
| cehteh | 30 min? dunno but the first 50% are the fastest | 20:36 |
| midas | DocScrutinizer: yep | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's nasty | 20:36 |
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| cehteh | maybe you have to ask someone else to charge your battery | 20:37 |
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| midas | cehteh: nobody here has or a n900(you cant get them :P) or a xpress music | 20:37 |
| * ShadowJK 'd use the wall charger | 20:37 | |
| midas | ShadowJK: i was just about to switch | 20:37 |
| cehteh | you are in .nl ... hey i will be in utrecht on 1. may .. want to wait? :) | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, actually that sounds consistent with the description in the service manual, sort of | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | midas: can you switch off the cycling system by long powerbutton press (while charger hooked up), maybe pressing button before it even starts to cycle? | 20:38 |
| midas | cehteh: nah :P | 20:38 |
| midas | DocScrutinizer: gonna try | 20:38 |
| cehteh | just keep the button pressed ... | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, iirc it says that the hw can charge a too low battery, and will automatically power on the N900 when sufficient charge is reached for booting... but of course, if the OS is hosed then it just cycles :D | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and *use wallcharger* NOT host PC for charging! | 20:39 |
| cehteh | yes something like that | 20:39 |
| cehteh | so wallcharger and as soon it cycles plug in usb cable with a armed flasher | 20:39 |
| midas | oh its armed | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | arrrgh. I'd not recommend such fastswap, won't help | 20:40 |
| cehteh | first charge with wallcharger | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 20:40 |
| cehteh | well may get a grip on the 2nd cycle ... | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | charge with wallcharger for 30min, if you can stop it from cycling | 20:41 |
| midas | trying :P | 20:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | is there a better gui file manager for the n900? more specifically Im looking for thunar like rightclick/longtap custom actions (launching a script with the filepath as the parameter) | 20:42 |
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| Afterthought | I've asked another friend and he says this "if having a sound play every 15 minutes is enough, you could try asking someone who has done maemo packages before (I haven't) to make you a fast package to install a cron job for that." How do I go about requesting such a package and to whom? | 20:42 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: is there any doc that explains what LED means | 20:43 |
| Afterthought | Or do you know how to get a bell sound as such to play every 15 mins on N900? | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ultimate source is /etc/mce.ini | 20:44 |
| midas | and this: http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns#N900 | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: hard to read though :-P | 20:44 |
| Shapeshifter | Afterthought: while true; do mplayer bell.mp3; sleep 900; done ? | 20:45 |
| Shapeshifter | given mplayer is installed. but why exactly do you need this? | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/mplayer/play-sound/ | 20:46 |
| * Shapeshifter is new to the n900. what does play-sound use? gst? | 20:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | probably | 20:47 |
| javispedro | play sound uses canberra | 20:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | canberra? | 20:47 |
| javispedro | which uses pa directly iirc (depends on configure args) | 20:47 |
| javispedro | play-sound is the one coming with libhildon? | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err libhildon dunno | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's installed by default anyway | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns#N900 | 20:48 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: canberra is a "system sound effects" library | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | 2: only show pattern when the display is off, including acting dead | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | inluding acting dead? | 20:48 |
| jacekowski | what that means? | 20:48 |
| Shapeshifter | mhhh | 20:49 |
| javispedro | acting dead is "charging..." screen on n810 | 20:49 |
| * RST38h acts dead | 20:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nobody knows :-P | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | what javispedro said | 20:49 |
| jacekowski | PatternDeviceOn | 20:52 |
| jacekowski | PatternPowerOn | 20:52 |
| jacekowski | ? | 20:52 |
| Afterthought | Thanks, have fun everyone! | 20:52 |
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| javispedro | jacekowski: DeviceOn is an awful blinking white pattern that happens _always_ no matter what | 20:52 |
| jacekowski | whats a difference between these to? | 20:52 |
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| javispedro | while I guess the latter is when the charger is plugged in... | 20:52 |
| cehteh | jacekowski: i have a lot fun defining my own blinking patterns | 20:52 |
| javispedro | or powering in/off | 20:53 |
| jacekowski | PowerOff and DeviceOff | 20:53 |
| jacekowski | DeviceSoftOff | 20:53 |
| cehteh | http://lumiera.pastebin.ca/1803929 | 20:53 |
| cehteh | SoftOff is not used on the stock device | 20:54 |
| javispedro | and there can't be a "DeviceOff" pattern | 20:54 |
| javispedro | for obvious reasons.. | 20:54 |
| jacekowski | PatternPowerOff=10;3;0;rgb;9d80400001ff43ff7f007f00c000;9d800000 | 20:54 |
| cehteh | whats SoftOff exactly ? kindof suspend? | 20:54 |
| javispedro | PowerOff is "while powering down". | 20:54 |
| cehteh | yes | 20:54 |
| cehteh | see my patterns | 20:55 |
| javispedro | DeviceOff would mean "while the device is off", which makes no sense. | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible obfuscated mess | 20:55 |
| cehteh | green when turning on, red when turning off | 20:55 |
| jacekowski | green means charged | 20:55 |
| Shapeshifter | the n900 file manager is close source right? | 20:55 |
| Shapeshifter | *closed | 20:56 |
| javispedro | softoff is some random mce thing which invoked offline mode and some other things, but didn't suspend iirc | 20:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: yes. It's so awesome that it's closed-source to stop others nicking it. | 20:56 |
| cehteh | on deviceon, charging and battery full i let the led glow a bit .. helps to locate the device in the night :P | 20:56 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: the file manager is closed, but it's a shim on top of the hildon-fm library, which is open | 20:56 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: LOL | 20:56 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: riight | 20:56 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: you are kidding right? | 20:57 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i prefer to type commands in console rather than use that file maneger | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: :-P | 20:57 |
| jacekowski | manager* | 20:57 |
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| jacekowski | s/console/X console/ | 20:57 |
| * luke-jr prefers to use a console rather than any GUI file manager, usually | 20:57 | |
| jacekowski | s/console/X\ console/ | 20:57 |
| cehteh | it manages file in the way managers think files should be managed, thats awesome | 20:57 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, can someone try to install python-scapy from extra-devel and tell me if it succeeds? | 20:58 |
| javispedro | the best way to manage files is pc suite style. a music folder with 15 GiB free and a documents folder with 15 GiB free means a device with 30 GiB free :) | 20:59 |
| cehteh | lol | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | ... | 20:59 |
| jacekowski | norton/midnight commander style | 20:59 |
| jacekowski | or total commander for younger people | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: use mc | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: it even comes with desktop icon to invoke :-P | 21:01 |
| Shapeshifter | i'm not a huge fan of the n900 keyboard. I use the cli on the desktop almost all the time but here its a bit annyoing. | 21:01 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 21:01 |
| jacekowski | N97 seems to have better keyboard | 21:01 |
| Shapeshifter | with all the missing home keys and the buttons are quite hard to press | 21:01 |
| Shapeshifter | i meant, home and end keys. | 21:01 |
| jacekowski | btw. | 21:01 |
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| jacekowski | in openarena | 21:02 |
| jacekowski | how to close it? | 21:02 |
| jacekowski | if i'm in middle of match | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | heh | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't get me started! I got a crippled wertzu kbd | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | open the console (I forgot how) and type /quit | 21:02 |
| jacekowski | mgedmin: i thought about that | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | maybe it's fn+sym to open the openarena console? | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | no up/down direct keys :-(( | 21:02 |
| jacekowski | but how to type / | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | fn+whatever letter has the / | 21:02 |
| jacekowski | it doesn't work in game | 21:02 |
| Shapeshifter | jacekowski: I tried pressing most of the keys and one of them opened the menu | 21:03 |
| RST38h | openarena is quit by rebooting | 21:03 |
| RST38h | hehe | 21:03 |
| Shapeshifter | :P | 21:03 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: that's how i do it | 21:03 |
| mgedmin | reminds me of good old IBM PC times | 21:03 |
| Shapeshifter | jacekowski: ctrl-v ore some ctrl- combination opens the menu | 21:03 |
| mgedmin | rebooting was the only way I knew to quit many early DOS games | 21:03 |
| * jacekowski had amiga | 21:03 | |
| mgedmin | then there was actually one game that intercepted ctrl+alt+del as the "quit" command | 21:04 |
| * Shapeshifter had atari | 21:04 | |
| jacekowski | it used to be so much better than ibm pc | 21:04 |
| * luke-jr had Amiga AND Atari; so win | 21:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: close an app? simple! press ctrl-backspace and hit the app's closebutton on taskswitcher | 21:04 |
| * mgedmin didn't have a PC, /me used to go to his father's work place and play with some Soviet "Iskra" IBM PC clones with 4-color monochrome displays | 21:04 | |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: doesn't work in openarena | 21:04 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: doesnt work | 21:04 |
| mgedmin | the keyboard had a small orange reset button | 21:04 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: you play on in the thumbnail view | 21:05 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it intercepts everything | 21:05 |
| luke-jr | Ctrl-Amiga-Amiga! | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin shit | 21:05 |
| javispedro | power button & kill app? | 21:05 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: nope | 21:05 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: doesn't work | 21:05 |
| javispedro | I'm going to say that's a platform bug.. | 21:06 |
| Shapeshifter | jacekowski: as i said, some key combo opens the menu | 21:06 |
| Shapeshifter | just try everyone | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | echo openarena >>/etc/banlist | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | it behaves in pretty much same way as libassuan apps | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahh, and | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | you can have it hidden under other apps | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart openarena devel | 21:07 |
| * infobot flings poo at openarena devel | 21:07 | |
| jacekowski | and it will still intercept it | 21:07 |
| * javispedro ponders if he will need to do Garage project takeover soon | 21:08 | |
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| jacekowski | have anybody thought about iphone emulation? | 21:08 |
| javispedro | it wouldn't be emulation. | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | add crontab entry "ps ax|grep openarena && rm -rf /" | 21:09 |
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| jacekowski | iphone api implementation based on linux kernel api | 21:09 |
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| jacekowski | s/kernel// | 21:09 |
| infobot | jacekowski meant: iphone api implementation based on linux api | 21:09 |
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| javispedro | it's called GNUstep | 21:10 |
| jacekowski | does it work? | 21:10 |
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| javispedro | of course. but to run unmodified iphone apps it's going to require wine amounts of work. | 21:10 |
| javispedro | s/wine/wine-like | 21:11 |
| jacekowski | less | 21:11 |
| maher | has anyone got hermes to work? it doesn't seem to do anything for me | 21:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer coughs | 21:11 | |
| Shapeshifter | just buy an iphone? | 21:11 |
| jacekowski | it's still compatible with SUS | 21:11 |
| jacekowski | and posix | 21:11 |
| jacekowski | Shapeshifter: i had it | 21:12 |
| javispedro | like if any iphone app required posix / sus compatibility | 21:12 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: it would help | 21:12 |
| Shapeshifter | jacekowski: my condolescense | 21:12 |
| Trizt | MOL converted to arm? | 21:12 |
| Shapeshifter | 'es. or something. | 21:12 |
| * Shapeshifter sucks at engrish | 21:12 | |
| javispedro | jacekowski: it wouldn't help. the only code there requiring posix is the platform libraries themselves, which are... closed. | 21:12 |
| jacekowski | only thing that iphone had working better was exchange sync | 21:12 |
| jacekowski | well, it's almost same libc | 21:13 |
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| javispedro | unless you plan to run the iphone platform libraries themselves, again, it doesn't matter. | 21:14 |
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| jacekowski | that probably would be illegal | 21:15 |
| javispedro | it would surely be illegal. | 21:15 |
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| jacekowski | probably running iphone apps on anything else would be illegal | 21:16 |
| jacekowski | because of iphone sdk eula | 21:16 |
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| MohammadAG | tmo down? | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | it collapsed under the weight of all the self-loathing N900 users | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:18 |
| pupnik | heh | 21:19 |
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| pupnik | speaking of | 21:19 |
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| pupnik | anybody improving mypaint? | 21:19 |
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| rons | hello, | 21:20 |
| rons | i need to remotely pause/play media on the n900 | 21:21 |
| rons | any suggestions on how to do such a thing ? | 21:21 |
| rons | vnc seems very slow and the screen goes black after a few secs | 21:21 |
| midas | install mpd, ssh to the device? | 21:21 |
| midas | or use remote mpd :) | 21:21 |
| ifreq | yes mpd with remote | 21:21 |
| ifreq | all you need | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | bluemaemo? | 21:22 |
| rons | yes i have sshd installed. | 21:22 |
| * rons goes to check what the other things are! | 21:22 | |
| rons | brb | 21:22 |
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| rons | no ShadowJK bluemaemo doesnt seem to be what i want. | 21:30 |
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| rons | i want to pause/play media that on the n900 remotely not the other way round. | 21:30 |
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| midas | you need mpd :) | 21:30 |
| rons | as in , the n900 is connect to the TV and i want to pause/play stuff on it. | 21:30 |
| rons | seems like it. | 21:31 |
| jwittema | X-Fade, could you help me? I'm not listed as the maintainer of a package I uploaded to extras-dev, see http://maemo.org/packages/view/batterygraph | 21:31 |
| ali1234 | rons: what you need is a upnp compliant media renderer for N900 | 21:31 |
| rons | midas: found "CuteMPC - MPD client" , i need the server correect? | 21:31 |
| midas | yep | 21:31 |
| ali1234 | afaik the media player can only use upnp media servers, but does not implement renderer | 21:31 |
| ifreq | jwittema: maintainer on that page is Jeroen Witteman | 21:31 |
| ifreq | jwittema: isnt that right? | 21:32 |
| jwittema | it is still pending | 21:32 |
| ifreq | ah okay | 21:32 |
| ifreq | whats the hurry btw? | 21:32 |
| jwittema | no one was listed after upload, so I clicked "request to be maintainer" | 21:32 |
| rons | midas : cant sem to find the server , what is it called? | 21:33 |
| midas | mpd | 21:33 |
| ifreq | jwittema: yeah but now is weekend, give ppl some peace :) | 21:33 |
| dev | ali1234: we have in Mirabeau an UPnP MediaRenderer http://base-art.net/Articles/115/ | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | cool, so that's what you want rons ^ | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | then you need a media controller for the device you want to control it from | 21:34 |
| rons | i'll check it. thanks a lot. | 21:34 |
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| ali1234 | another alternative is vlc which can be controlled over a web interface (built in web server) it's a little hard to use though | 21:34 |
| midas | stop rebooting you damned phone! | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | having said that, full upnp isn't the easiest thing to get going either, with all the different and slightly incompatible implementations | 21:35 |
| jwittema | sure ppl can have some peace, but if anyone knows how to fix this, I would appreciate it | 21:35 |
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| midas | jwittema: did you tag the package correctly when creating it? | 21:36 |
| jacekowski | weekend is the best time to hack | 21:36 |
| jacekowski | ifreq: ^ | 21:36 |
| dev | ali1234: right, but we have invested quite some time to solve that | 21:36 |
| midas | because it seems you didnt | 21:36 |
| dev | ali1234: and implementations are getting better, meaning in three, four years we won't have these problems anymore ;-) | 21:37 |
| jwittema | depends on what you mean by "tag", I listed my mailadress in the mainter field of "debian\control". However this was a different address than I used for my garage acount | 21:37 |
| ali1234 | dev: people been saying that since upnp came out :) | 21:37 |
| ali1234 | still my n900 doesn't work with gmediaserver | 21:37 |
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| ali1234 | i can see the files but they are all 0 bytes long and don't play | 21:38 |
| midas | i dont have a working linuxbox or n900 to check, so cant confirm it tho jwittema :p | 21:38 |
| midas | well, exept the system im on right now | 21:38 |
| jwittema | added the mailadress of the package as additional address on http://maemo.org/profile/edit/ but that didn't help so far | 21:38 |
| dev | ali1234: gmediaserver isn't worked on anymore iirc | 21:38 |
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| ali1234 | perhaps... but it works with other things | 21:39 |
| dev | ali1234: now there are much more consumer electronic devices out there, and people _expect_ interoperability - so the pressure on the vendors is much higher | 21:40 |
| dev | but I agree, it is a cumbersome process and not progressing fast | 21:41 |
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| ZogG | i noticed that i have several nokia reps | 21:46 |
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| ZogG | i would like ot delete all i don't need of them | 21:47 |
| ZogG | anyone can say what repos he does have? | 21:47 |
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| KamuiN900 | yawn sauce | 21:51 |
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| timeless | anyone here know the eCoach author? | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | samppa? | 22:07 |
| timeless | he needs to make it respect "imperial" as a unit | 22:08 |
| timeless | it's asking me for my height in cm | 22:08 |
| autoguy | uh, he needs to? | 22:08 |
| RST38h | And that is how it should be | 22:08 |
| timeless | autoguy: first rule of widgetry: | 22:09 |
| timeless | don't make a widget that doesn't behave as advertized | 22:09 |
| autoguy | OK. but how about http://www.google.se/#hl=sv&q=5.8+feet+in+cm&meta=&aq=f&oq=5.8+feet+in+cm&fp=de2a1d2d37ac0291 | 22:09 |
| Corsac | those are not the units you're looking for | 22:09 |
| autoguy | is that so hard? | 22:09 |
| RST38h | you mean, centimeters are not a legal measure of height? | 22:10 |
| midas | hah | 22:10 |
| midas | nice | 22:10 |
| timeless | rst: not after specifying units=Imperial, no | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | 5.8 feet may not be what's expected | 22:10 |
| RST38h | or maybe eCoach is carrying British Imperial regalia? | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: french imperial | 22:10 |
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| timeless | it didn't ask me for my weight in stone | 22:10 |
| timeless | so it isn't british | 22:11 |
| RST38h | cm,kg,oC,220v | 22:11 |
| * RST38h considers suggesting SECAM and SCART but decides that it would be too sadistic | 22:11 | |
| cehteh | 220v? | 22:11 |
| ali1234 | SCART is the best | 22:12 |
| ShadowJK | 230 +-10% :D | 22:12 |
| timeless | MPEG! | 22:12 |
| ShadowJK | I have a 10 metre SCART cable. It's a tad bit heavy | 22:12 |
| timeless | but really, displayport | 22:12 |
| timeless | scart needs to die | 22:12 |
| ali1234 | nope, SCART needs to live and everything else needs to die | 22:13 |
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| timeless | its primary purpose seems to be electrocuting things | 22:13 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: The upcoming harmattan device should have scart | 22:13 |
| ali1234 | especially digital/HDMI | 22:13 |
| midas | ali1234: hdmi > scart | 22:13 |
| timeless | ali: ever the sadist | 22:13 |
| RST38h | midas: not physically | 22:13 |
| ali1234 | HDMI cannot connect to any of my equipment | 22:13 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: In fact, it should connect to cradle via scart | 22:13 |
| ShadowJK | physically scart is a bit unreliable | 22:14 |
| midas | ali1234: it's time for upgrades! | 22:14 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: just pump up the voltage and it will arch wherever there is a bad connection | 22:14 |
| Kegetys | I heard they scratched micro-usb as the standard cellphone charge port and go for scart instead | 22:14 |
| Shapeshifter | what can i use instead of imagemagick to do cli image manipulation on the n900? | 22:14 |
| RST38h | Kegetys: which would be an advancement really | 22:14 |
| javispedro | :) | 22:14 |
| * RST38h still cannot believe they standardized on micro USB for charging | 22:15 | |
| ShadowJK | nokia 2mm was better :D | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Crazy, crazy corporate motherfuckers | 22:15 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: 3mm from E70 | 22:15 |
| midas | you wanted the eurojack? :P | 22:15 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: 2mm actually broke a lot, but 3mm was ok | 22:15 |
| midas | 240V, EAT IT! | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, nah I like 2mm better, it has a spec | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 22:16 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: but remember how many people bent and broke theirs ? | 22:16 |
| midas | http://www.tehnoveikals.bit2u.biz/cache/product_images/big/20090421/euro_8_jack_1_5m_40816.jpg | 22:16 |
| ShadowJK | I only remember sts :D | 22:16 |
| RST38h | (since n800/n810 time) | 22:16 |
| midas | now that's a plug. | 22:16 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Also AStorm and some others, in tmo alone | 22:16 |
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| * timeless bent a charger cord in an e61i | 22:17 | |
| timeless | same cord | 22:17 |
| RST38h | midas: Actually, brits have done a better job at ugly wall plugs | 22:17 |
| ShadowJK | I have one bent but it works :( | 22:17 |
| maher | can i put a microsdhc card in the n900 - will it work? | 22:17 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, ok so how about E70-ish 3mm but with 2mm electrical spec | 22:17 |
| ShadowJK | maher, yes | 22:17 |
| timeless | maher: don't expect a 1tb card to work | 22:18 |
| shamus | 3mm was better far mor rigid | 22:18 |
| maher | timeless: what about a 2tb? | 22:18 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: yea | 22:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | more specifically I need image manipulation functionality corresponding to imagemagicks 'convert'. scaling and jpeg encoding. | 22:19 |
| javispedro | well, if you hate micro usb, vote will your wallet... oops. | 22:19 |
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| timeless | javis: nah, write you r euro-leg | 22:19 |
| timeless | can't figure out who that is? too bad | 22:19 |
| RST38h | javis: can't, can we? | 22:19 |
| javispedro | hehe | 22:20 |
| sheepbat | <looks up> | 22:21 |
| sheepbat | why don't you like microusb? | 22:21 |
| midas | it's flimpsy | 22:21 |
| * javispedro looks up photos of broken n900 usb connector | 22:21 | |
| RST38h | ATTENTION: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/x10-nokia-slider-rumor-1.jpg | 22:21 |
| sheepbat | does any other phone with this connector have this problem? | 22:21 |
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| ShadowJK | MicroUSB is hard to plug in without looking.. like, getting the rotation and angle right | 22:21 |
| ShadowJK | 2mm and 3mm just slid in :/ | 22:22 |
| sheepbat | hmm | 22:22 |
| RST38h | Video here: http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/20/nokia-x10-symbian-s-3-qwerty-slider-revealed-in-leaked-documenta/ | 22:22 |
| midas | 2 and 3mm are more male - female, microusb is just getting the wrong hole and having your wife scream at you | 22:22 |
| sheepbat | I personally like the idea of a universal, standardized plug | 22:22 |
| timeless | charging my phone in the dark has always been my top priority | 22:22 |
| cehteh | grind the springs down and its easy | 22:22 |
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| timeless | that's why i bought a phone w/ a hand crank | 22:23 |
| javispedro | timeless: and mine! | 22:23 |
| javispedro | specially when you consider that I usually plug it right before going to bed... | 22:23 |
| timeless | oh wait, i didn't... | 22:23 |
| RST38h | BTW, PR1.1.1 has got a regression in this sense | 22:24 |
| RST38h | Now, after you plug it in, you have to lock it again | 22:24 |
| javispedro | ah well, I considered that a regression from n810 | 22:24 |
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| RST38h | Somebody has been messily fixing the "device sometimes fails to start charging when plugged into USB" bug | 22:24 |
| arachnist | RST38h: symbian :/ | 22:24 |
| ShadowJK | I used to have an external battery in my pocket and when I put the phone in pocket I could pretty much connect the 2mm/3mm plug instantly in the same move as putting phone in pocket | 22:24 |
| timeless | javis: my n8x0s all tried to kep me awake while charging | 22:25 |
| * ShadowJK can't even get the car charger connected without turning on light though :D | 22:25 | |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: I kinda figured out to plug N900 in the dark, but it takes a minute or so | 22:25 |
| ShadowJK | Luckily N900 is an improvement in battery life compared to my previous S60 phones so I don't need the external battery :D | 22:25 |
| javispedro | timeless: yes, damn led :) | 22:25 |
| RST38h | E70 was instant of course | 22:25 |
| sheepbat | I just did it blind without a problem | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | btw, the speech bubbles sticker with 'm' inside. is it Maemo or Midgard? | 22:26 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: it is Moo. | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah, midgard | 22:26 |
| lcuk | RST38h, did you see khertans new game vectormine? | 22:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yep | 22:26 |
| lcuk | lookin good for his first game | 22:26 |
| Shapeshifter | so. no clues about a cli image manipulation app for the n900? | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | imagemagick is in extras | 22:27 |
| lcuk | hi sts jav | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | -devel | 22:27 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: oh. | 22:27 |
| Shapeshifter | thanks | 22:27 |
| javispedro | hi lcuk | 22:27 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Khertan has got lot of experience. I just doubt he will make any profit from it. | 22:27 |
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| TomaszD | interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3AJxszteK8&feature=player_embedded | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | maemo interesting or just symbian? | 22:31 |
| TomaszD | no, it's going to be an interesting phone | 22:31 |
| TomaszD | with a mature system :P | 22:31 |
| javispedro | capacitive phone | 22:31 |
| javispedro | save for that similar hardware to n900... | 22:32 |
| javispedro | ah, and amoled. | 22:32 |
| TomaszD | and weirdly no mention of bluetooth | 22:32 |
| Shapeshifter | oh dear | 22:33 |
| javispedro | hm.. nokia morph in related videos. | 22:33 |
| javispedro | wake me up when that one gets to run maemo^Wmeego | 22:33 |
| Shapeshifter | imagemagick in extras-devel doesnt seem to be optified -.- | 22:34 |
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| Shapeshifter | so its practically worthless. why did whoever put it there even bother... | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: for build purposes | 22:35 |
| javispedro | probably used | 22:35 |
| javispedro | er.. that :) | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | it makes all the themes you see | 22:35 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter | 22:35 |
| Shapeshifter | mh | 22:35 |
| lcuk | contact the dev and offer a patch to insert maemo-optify (after you tested it yourself) | 22:36 |
| Shapeshifter | i need to look into maemo-optify. | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | uploader was me :P | 22:36 |
| javispedro | just auto to debian/optify | 22:36 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: well done :P | 22:36 |
| javispedro | which the autobuilder should be doing by now, dammit | 22:36 |
| RST38h | Ok. It is Doctor time. | 22:37 |
| javispedro | you sick? | 22:37 |
| RST38h | javis: DrWho. | 22:37 |
| lcuk | javispedro, theres more than one way to optify a fish | 22:37 |
| javispedro | :) | 22:37 |
| * RST38h is almost out of episodes though, not good | 22:37 | |
| javispedro | lcuk: but by now I think it's time to start looking at the exceptions, instead of punishing the rule | 22:37 |
| red | javispedro: any chance that noksnes would get a turbo key bind? | 22:38 |
| red | certain games have mini-games inside them that need button mashing, and for some reason n900 doesn't see the keypresses fast enough | 22:38 |
| javispedro | ah | 22:39 |
| Shapeshifter | so, do I need to clear out leftover files from apt? after installing and uninstalling imagemagick I ended up with 12mb less space | 22:39 |
| red | if I mash it fast, it's as if I never push the key at all :) | 22:39 |
| lcuk | javispedro, its being investigated | 22:39 |
| lcuk | as well as other things | 22:39 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/trees/master | 22:39 |
| javispedro | red: actually it only polls keys 6 o 7 times per second iirc | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, feedback and discussion on this additional method and optification itself are welcome | 22:40 |
| javispedro | red: later If I find you here i'll send you a build with that disabled (thus polling X on every frame) | 22:40 |
| javispedro | lcuk: but you're optifying system stuff there | 22:40 |
| javispedro | I want apps | 22:41 |
| javispedro | actually I'm considering editing my dh_make script to echo auto > debian/optify | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, the original config file included a lot more areas | 22:42 |
| lcuk | it even had liqbase | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | what if this app could be updated everynow and then | 22:42 |
| javispedro | aha | 22:42 |
| lcuk | with a list of "worst offender" folders | 22:42 |
| lcuk | that could just be automagically optified | 22:42 |
| lcuk | without waiting for the package maintainer | 22:42 |
| red | javispedro: cannot accept DCC connections | 22:43 |
| youam | the maps tool on my n900 says it's "Ovi Maps 1.01", but the nokia websites say it should be 3.03. what's wrong there? | 22:43 |
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| red | but fair enough | 22:43 |
| javispedro | red: me neither, I was planning to upload it | 22:43 |
| red | would be nice to finish a couple of extra things in chrono trigger :) | 22:43 |
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| maher | this hermes app seems kinda beta | 22:43 |
| javispedro | bbl | 22:43 |
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| maher | youam: afaik nokia decided 1.01 was good enough for n900 | 22:44 |
| youam | maher: gah. | 22:44 |
| brik | worked fine here the one time I used it | 22:45 |
| youam | maher: to add insult to injury, when trying to download it, it says "it's already preinstalled on your device", when trying to open the FAQ on how to find the current version on the website, you get an 404... | 22:45 |
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| tybollt | brik: where's the turn by turn then? | 22:46 |
| lcuk | youam, which app | 22:46 |
| brik | turn by turn? | 22:46 |
| lcuk | ahh maps | 22:46 |
| midas | lcuk: your idea didnt work | 22:46 |
| lcuk | which | 22:46 |
| midas | (usb cable, no batt etc) | 22:46 |
| brik | I was talking about hermes | 22:46 |
| lcuk | damn | 22:46 |
| midas | damned thing keeps rebooting | 22:47 |
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| midas | tried the charger instead of the usb cable to charge the battery | 22:47 |
| midas | keeps rebooting :P | 22:47 |
| midas | wont even charge enough i think | 22:47 |
| lcuk | does it if you take battery out and put it in | 22:47 |
| lcuk | does it boot on its own | 22:47 |
| lcuk | afaik it shouldnt | 22:47 |
| midas | yep | 22:47 |
| maher | youam: it would be nice if i was wrong about that | 22:47 |
| midas | if i have the power connected it does | 22:48 |
| midas | and the nokia care center thing was closed :p | 22:48 |
| maher | youam: certain websites claim it will be rolled out for n900 at some point but don't say when | 22:48 |
| youam | maher: i'll tell you if i find something... | 22:48 |
| midas | if ever. | 22:49 |
| * LaydgirL Sex Can I click Login http://www.seslibitanem.com Sex Can I click Login http://www.chatvebiz.tr.gg | 22:50 | |
| * LaydgirL .1 Sex Can I click Login http://www.seslibitanem.com Sex Can I click Login http://www.chatvebiz.tr.gg | 22:50 | |
| midas | yay! | 22:50 |
| midas | it's porn | 22:50 |
| * LaydgirL Sex Can I click Login http://www.seslibitanem.com Sex Can I click Login http://www.chatvebiz.tr.gg | 22:50 | |
| vanadismobile | awesome | 22:50 |
| midas | quick, click it, they need moar win! | 22:50 |
| vanadismobile | porn on n900 is better than on n95 | 22:51 |
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| MikeJB | What the hell is .tr.gg? Transylvania? | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | glapagos/ | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 22:51 |
| vanadismobile | dunno lol | 22:51 |
| MikeJB | Oh, it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernsey | 22:52 |
| MikeJB | thank you, Wikipedia | 22:52 |
| lcuk | .gg is channel islands | 22:52 |
| vanadismobile | hmm | 22:52 |
| MikeJB | A population of 65,573 | 22:52 |
| lcuk | (guernsey) | 22:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 22:52 |
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| MikeJB | Actually, a .gg address would be awesome for a gaming website, since gg means 'good game' | 22:55 |
| midas | or in church, good god! | 22:56 |
| midas | church always breaks irc. | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | ... | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | [14:48:56] <maher> youam: certain websites claim it will be rolled out for n900 at some point but don't say when | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | iirc, they said rolled out for *Maemo*, not necessarily N900 | 23:00 |
| youam | okay, so the way to go would be to just never look at it again and push openstreetmap... | 23:00 |
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| midas | okay, quick question for the electronics in here | 23:03 |
| midas | i have a n71 and a n900, the n900 isnt charging because it f*cked. the n900 battery sortof fits the e71 | 23:03 |
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| midas | the e71 batt is a li-polymer battery, the n900 a li-ion | 23:04 |
| midas | will it explode and burn my house down if i charge it with my e71? :P | 23:04 |
| youam | probably, yes | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | midas, I would say it's safe if you don't make it a habbit | 23:05 |
| midas | wiki says they are the same | 23:05 |
| midas | ShadowJK: i only need it half full so i can flash the n900 | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah that's fine | 23:05 |
| youam | li-ion batteries need a complex and intelligent controller which your li-polymer dev won't have | 23:05 |
| lcuk | midas, i'd be pretty concerned about explosions, but the bigger problem, how do you get hold of the battery without it turning to gold? | 23:05 |
| timeless_mbp | maher: yeah, don't expect 2tb to work either :) | 23:05 |
| midas | lcuk: i have special gloves for that | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | youam, Li-Polymer is no safer than Li-Ion | 23:06 |
| lcuk | dont the gloves turn to gold? | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | probably the opposite is true. | 23:06 |
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| midas | they are golden on the inside already | 23:06 |
| lcuk | clever | 23:06 |
| midas | it was getting a problem, couldnt eat | 23:07 |
| lcuk | no, about your battery | 23:07 |
| lcuk | dont | 23:07 |
| midas | dont? | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | dont screw around shoving it into wrong device | 23:07 |
| tybollt | 1.2´? | 23:07 |
| lcuk | there are very sensible reasons not to | 23:07 |
| ali1234 | do it | 23:07 |
| ali1234 | they wouldn't make it the right size for E71 if it was going to explode | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | ...... | 23:08 |
| midas | ali1234: it isnt :P | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | wait, "sort of" ? | 23:08 |
| midas | sort of yes. | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | lol. DONT DO IT | 23:08 |
| midas | it slides over the pins :p | 23:08 |
| midas | hahahha | 23:08 |
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| lcuk | if it was another phone that accepted same model of battery i would be happy you found a solution | 23:09 |
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| midas | lcuk: the 5800 does | 23:09 |
| midas | but i dont have one here | 23:09 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:09 |
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| ali1234 | btw, lithium batteries usually have the charging protection circuit inside the battery | 23:10 |
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| tybollt | Because of the denser packaging without intercell spacing between cylindrical cells and the lack of metal casing, the energy density of Li-poly batteries is over 20% higher than that of a classic Li-ion battery. | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Ihttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/19/symbian_compile/ ? | 23:10 |
| ali1234 | that's why they have about 6 contacts instead of the two they actually need | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | ali1234: hmm? N8x0 at least had 3 contacts ;) | 23:10 |
| midas | the 3 on any nokia battery? :P | 23:10 |
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| ShadowJK | The middle is BSI Battery Size Indicator.. | 23:10 |
| lcuk | midas, so if the device is off completely | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | or something liek that | 23:10 |
| midas | lcuk: yep | 23:11 |
| midas | and i checked the battery | 23:11 |
| lcuk | (pop battery and put it in, nothing else plugged in) | 23:11 |
| midas | it isnt full | 23:11 |
| lcuk | and you put it to charge | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | btw I remember someone used their N810 to charge their N900 battery... | 23:11 |
| lcuk | does it boot cycle still | 23:11 |
| midas | lcuk: yep | 23:11 |
| midas | thats why it doenst charge | 23:11 |
| lcuk | yes | 23:11 |
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| midas | well, i could buy a 5800 | 23:14 |
| midas | and then sell it again | 23:14 |
| Arif_ | ~moo | 23:17 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 23:17 | |
| midas | haha | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | twice? | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | That's a small calf. | 23:17 |
| maher | SpeedEvil: speak for youself skinny | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - much of the methane is breathed out. | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | :) http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif - getting there. | 23:18 |
| midas | hehe | 23:18 |
| * Arif_ hands midas an external charger | 23:19 | |
| midas | in the netherlands on a sunday? :P | 23:19 |
| Arif_ | it's Saturday! | 23:20 |
| midas | true true | 23:20 |
| Arif_ | I'm in .nl too :P | 23:20 |
| midas | do you have one? | 23:20 |
| midas | or a n900 wich can charge my battery? :P | 23:20 |
| Arif_ | not yet... | 23:20 |
| Arif_ | that I do | 23:21 |
| midas | where in .nl? | 23:21 |
| Arif_ | zaandam | 23:21 |
| midas | dat valt mee, bussum hier | 23:21 |
| midas | woops, english | 23:21 |
| Arif_ | only 40km! | 23:22 |
| Arif_ | oh | 23:22 |
| Arif_ | 30 | 23:22 |
| Arif_ | that's far :P | 23:22 |
| midas | i have wheels :P | 23:23 |
| Arif_ | you'd be better off ordering an external charger off the internuts | 23:23 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 23:23 |
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| pupnik | my charger goes with n900 | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK | I'd trust E71 more as a charger than random external charger from the intarwebs | 23:26 |
| midas | ShadowJK: i agree | 23:26 |
| midas | and for a 10 minute charge.. what could go wrong :') | 23:27 |
| lcuk | midas, you arent like out in the freezing cold right now are you, its warm where you are sitting | 23:27 |
| midas | lcuk: yep | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | just make sure the polarity isn't reversed | 23:27 |
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| ShadowJK | that would probably make things go boom | 23:27 |
| midas | ShadowJK: yeah | 23:28 |
| midas | but it cant ;) | 23:28 |
| lcuk | you cant insert it in the wrong way | 23:28 |
| lcuk | well, not without brute force | 23:28 |
| midas | i already started the n900 and the e71 with the wrong battery | 23:28 |
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| midas | the e71 battery is a tad too big tho | 23:28 |
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| pupnik | seems there is a lot of empty air below battery | 23:29 |
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| * lcuk has more beer | 23:30 | |
| * Arif_ has more Turkish tea..... | 23:31 | |
| Arif_ | hmm | 23:32 |
| Arif_ | this bug is starting to annoy me | 23:32 |
| Arif_ | :P | 23:32 |
| * Shapeshifter raises his glass | 23:32 | |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: cheers | 23:33 |
| lcuk | :) \o | 23:34 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 23:38 | |
| timeless_mbp | so.. | 23:38 |
| timeless_mbp | this *sucks* | 23:38 |
| Arif_ | who does? | 23:38 |
| timeless_mbp | there are some huge string api breaks between 1.1.1 and 1.2 | 23:38 |
| TomaszD | what happened timeless_mbp | 23:38 |
| TomaszD | oh | 23:38 |
| midas | monkey breaks | 23:38 |
| timeless_mbp | well, a whole bunch of strings changed from "foo" to "foo %s" | 23:38 |
| TomaszD | is this bad? | 23:39 |
| timeless_mbp | which is not something one can safely use for the old code which calls sprintf(dest, "foo %s") | 23:39 |
| midas | if you devved on the old api TomaszD, yes :P | 23:39 |
| thresh | OHAI | 23:39 |
| timeless_mbp | think about it for a minute? | 23:39 |
| TomaszD | :) | 23:39 |
| timeless_mbp | there are also some strings which changed from being used for an entire case, to being used for half of a case | 23:39 |
| midas | it's like changing the language this channel speaks to chinese and youre the only one that doesnt | 23:39 |
| TomaszD | oh, I get it now | 23:40 |
| TomaszD | yeah, that will suck | 23:40 |
| midas | okay, screw the desktop charger, i just bought a nokia something | 23:40 |
| Arif_ | a nokia what? | 23:41 |
| midas | nokia 5230 | 23:41 |
| midas | it should have the same battery | 23:41 |
| Arif_ | you | 23:41 |
| Arif_ | have a lot of money! | 23:41 |
| Arif_ | care to share? :D | 23:41 |
| midas | haha :p | 23:41 |
| pupnik | what does lock progress bar do to panucci? | 23:41 |
| midas | i just hate waiting for stuff | 23:41 |
| pupnik | seems top h/e no effect | 23:41 |
| Arif_ | you could've just bought a new battery too! | 23:42 |
| midas | it isnt charged Arif_ ! | 23:42 |
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| Arif_ | don't new ones come with charge? :p | 23:42 |
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| pupnik | need to lie down | 23:42 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 23:43 | |
| ShadowJK | midas, Li-Ion (and Li-Poly) are shipped with about 60-75% charge | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | it's the amount of charge at which they degreade the least | 23:43 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, supposing it IS the battery charge level, a new battery wont help. | 23:44 |
| * Arif_ hands timeless_mbp some fake firmware | 23:44 | |
| lcuk | midas, keep us updated about this | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | at least, it wont help the existing battery | 23:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Arif_: what should i do w/ it/ | 23:44 |
| midas | indeed indeed | 23:44 |
| Arif_ | flash it? =) | 23:45 |
| lcuk | o_O whats fake firmware | 23:45 |
| lcuk | and can i have some | 23:45 |
| Arif_ | lol | 23:46 |
| Arif_ | I'm just bored...={ | 23:46 |
| lcuk | go for a walk! | 23:46 |
| Arif_ | at 22:47? | 23:46 |
| lcuk | a good brisk 30-40km walk will do you world of good | 23:47 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:47 |
| midas | yeah, walk to bussum | 23:47 |
| lcuk | im sure midas will put the kettle on | 23:47 |
| midas | kettle, beer, coffee | 23:47 |
| Arif_ | meh | 23:47 |
| Arif_ | 40km is twice the size of .nl | 23:47 |
| Arif_ | ! | 23:47 |
| midas | ill put everything on, exept the n900 | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | lol | 23:47 |
| Arif_ | mine's still on! | 23:48 |
| midas | lies and slander | 23:48 |
| midas | where did you buy yours? | 23:48 |
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| Arif_ | tweakers.net :P | 23:48 |
| midas | haha okay :p | 23:48 |
| Arif_ | I'm really disappointed with the speakers though :P | 23:49 |
| midas | 1 word, MINIJACK | 23:49 |
| Arif_ | loudspeaker! | 23:49 |
| midas | yes, connected to a big amp \\o o// | 23:49 |
| lcuk | ive only not liked the sound once from 900 | 23:49 |
| Arif_ | yea | 23:49 |
| Arif_ | I'll drag a big amp around outside :p | 23:50 |
| lcuk | sat on a train trying to watch tv | 23:50 |
| lcuk | without headphones | 23:50 |
| Arif_ | good luck with that | 23:50 |
| lcuk | i made a pair of batears | 23:50 |
| lcuk | to deflect the sound back | 23:50 |
| lcuk | and it was fine | 23:50 |
| midas | haha :p | 23:50 |
| Arif_ | a pair of what? | 23:50 |
| midas | bat ears? | 23:50 |
| midas | you dont know what they are? :P | 23:51 |
| Arif_ | no | 23:51 |
| midas | cup your ears | 23:51 |
| midas | tadaah, batears | 23:51 |
| Arif_ | ...right | 23:51 |
| Arif_ | weird Dutch :P | 23:51 |
| midas | or eh, presto! | 23:51 |
| lcuk | Arif_, the sound comes out sideways | 23:51 |
| * lcuk changes tact | 23:51 | |
| Arif_ | =} | 23:52 |
| lcuk | i used deflector dishes | 23:52 |
| lcuk | and raised shields etc | 23:52 |
| midas | i havent used the provided earbuds yet | 23:52 |
| midas | how are they? | 23:52 |
| N900evil | I have. | 23:52 |
| lcuk | i like them | 23:52 |
| lcuk | they shut off the noise from the world | 23:52 |
| N900evil | not terrible. | 23:52 |
| midas | (then again, i only used the phone for 2 days before it died :P) | 23:52 |
| lcuk | and i need only keep n900 volume on low | 23:52 |
| midas | hm, nice | 23:53 |
| Arif_ | they're not bad | 23:53 |
| * lcuk cusses not being able to play portal | 23:53 | |
| TomaszD | phone got stuck in portrait, heh | 23:53 |
| midas | dont worry. the cake is a lie | 23:54 |
| TomaszD | the infamous glitch, finally recreated | 23:54 |
| Arif_ | yay, half working feature bugs! | 23:54 |
| TomaszD | well for one thing, the clock menu works | 23:54 |
| Arif_ | lol | 23:55 |
| Arif_ | what about the media player | 23:55 |
| TomaszD | truncated | 23:55 |
| Arif_ | aw | 23:55 |
| midas | ah fuck it, im gonna charge it | 23:55 |
| Arif_ | lol | 23:56 |
| Arif_ | the N900 isn't THAT interesting! | 23:56 |
| Myrtti | PIE PIE PIE | 23:56 |
| Arif_ | WHERE! | 23:56 |
| TomaszD | I'm so anxious to see PR1.2, any predictions? | 23:57 |
| Arif_ | meh | 23:57 |
| Arif_ | what CAN it add | 23:57 |
| TomaszD | official video support for gtalk for example | 23:57 |
| midas | e71 is assured anyway | 23:57 |
| * N900evil wants the recent update. | 23:57 | |
| * lcuk stands back | 23:58 | |
| * N900evil is in the uk. | 23:58 | |
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| TomaszD | there's also a new feature for organising the menu | 23:58 |
| Arif_ | I want my bug fixed | 23:58 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 23:58 |
| frals | TomaszD: read through maemo.gitorious.org commit comments and you might figure out a thing or two, id think | 23:58 |
| TomaszD | which breaks catorize :) | 23:58 |
| V13 | N900evil: take a trip to another country for a while :) | 23:58 |
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| Arif_ | and a "Share" option like in the Photos app in the media player | 23:58 |
| * N900evil ponders moving to the USA via ssh. | 23:58 | |
| Arif_ | and has anyone noticed if you tap the album art you get a mini playlist on the right? :D | 23:59 |
| midas | N900evil: can you do with european ip's? :P | 23:59 |
| Arif_ | N900evil, why don't you just use the flasher and flash to the generic fw | 23:59 |
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