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| Arif | I just added the file to the bugreport instead | 00:00 |
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| Arif | lets see what happens ;P | 00:00 |
| IZY | heay all | 00:00 |
| Arif | ohai | 00:00 |
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| IZY | help: looking for channel dedicated to rtcomm | 00:03 |
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| IZY | help: looking for channel dedicated to rtcomm | 00:05 |
| IZY | pliz | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | IZY, most of the relevant people hang out here. | 00:06 |
| Arif | /join rtcomm | 00:06 |
| Arif | :p | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | IZY, but usually on weekdays and during European working and evening hours. | 00:06 |
| IZY | ok | 00:06 |
| IZY | thx a lot | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Robot101 is a good target. | 00:06 |
| IZY | no such channel | 00:07 |
| IZY | I got in response | 00:07 |
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| Toba | hm. | 00:25 |
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| * Shapeshifter discovered today how to render the n900 unusable real quick: unpack a 7z file. | 00:28 | |
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| pupnik_ | eh | 00:29 |
| pupnik_ | what prog does 7z | 00:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | pupnik_: don't remember the name. I just did apt-cache search 7z and installed something that did it | 00:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | had to unpack SNES roms ;) | 00:30 |
| Proteous | proclipusa.com finaly has a n900 in car cradle | 00:30 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wishes for some chocolate. | 00:33 | |
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| * Arif has some chocolate | 00:34 | |
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| Arif | ...why does everyone selling their N900 have to start a topic on the forum | 00:35 |
| Arif | :p | 00:35 |
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| Proteous | lol | 00:36 |
| Arif | there should be a subforum for that | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | /dev/null | 00:37 |
| Proteous | hah | 00:37 |
| mtnbkr | or at least a merge function for moderators | 00:37 |
| Arif | we'd get a 400 page thread | 00:38 |
| Arif | like the N900 mod thread | 00:38 |
| ShadowJK | there IS a subforum for selling stuff.. | 00:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's attention whoring. | 00:39 |
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| Arif | it's the only newish device that can stream my TV card so I didn't have much choice ;( | 00:39 |
| simoneb_ | anyone here is a slashdot reader and knows how to make slashdot's pages more readable? | 00:40 |
| ShadowJK | simoneb_, i think you need nuclear warheads for that | 00:40 |
| ShadowJK | Or maybe you could just peel safety stickers off of everything and the idiots die out by themselves | 00:41 |
| simoneb_ | will they come with PR1.2? | 00:41 |
| simoneb_ | ShadowJK: i'm afraid i didn't get the last one | 00:41 |
| bef0rd | simoneb_, RSS? | 00:42 |
| ShadowJK | The best way to make slashdot comments readable is to kill the idiots that write them ;-) | 00:42 |
| simoneb_ | bef0rd: yes, i use it all the time to read the articles, but the comments page is not very well designed | 00:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | simoneb_: Start a thread demanding the ponies theme was brought back? | 00:43 |
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| Proteous | simoneb_: if you have an account you can disable the new D2 comment system and use the old one | 00:44 |
| Proteous | there is a toggle for "enable dynamic discussions" | 00:45 |
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| ioeee | hola | 00:52 |
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| * SpeedEvil fails basic shell. How do I get the first filename matching into a variable. *png - say. | 00:53 | |
| simoneb_ | SpeedEvil: | head ? | 00:54 |
| simoneb_ | SpeedEvil: ls *png | head -n 1 | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | That seems so broken, that's obbious - but tehre should be an easy way to do this | 00:55 |
| simoneb_ | looks working to me | 00:55 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: "first" how? | 00:56 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: if you need a sorted list, you need to sort it | 00:56 |
| simoneb_ | well just add | sort ... | 00:56 |
| luke-jr | simoneb_: if he wants alphabetically... but easier to use --sort=foo | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | firstpng="$(ls *.png --sort=time | head -n 1)" | 00:57 |
| simoneb_ | uh, i just memorized sort -k <column> | 00:57 |
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| simoneb_ | anyway --sort would do better | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't care. | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I just want any one file in the list that * generates. | 00:57 |
| LuciusMare | no enca or cstocs for maemo? | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't care about the order. | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for f in *.png; do foo.... ? | 00:58 |
| simoneb_ | SpeedEvil: doesn't head do what you need? | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | echo *png | read | 00:59 |
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| MikeJB | Can the N900 be used without the SIM/phone part of it? | 00:59 |
| lcuk | yes | 00:59 |
| lcuk | but not for normal calls | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - however I assumed shell must have some way to break it apart. | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | MikeJB: yes. | 01:00 |
| MikeJB | and the phone interface can be used to skype over wifi? | 01:00 |
| Arif | yes | 01:00 |
| MikeJB | hmm... | 01:00 |
| pupnik_ | the skype client doesnt support file transfer | 01:01 |
| lcuk | and you can happily watch movies and play games and use console and have your computer in your pocket wherever you are | 01:01 |
| MikeJB | and how much does it cost to have a skype phone number? | 01:01 |
| lcuk | but the phone interface just helps immensely with talking to normal ppl | 01:01 |
| Arif | it's pretty useless without a SIM if you don't have wifi though | 01:01 |
| Arif | x) | 01:01 |
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| simoneb_ | MikeJB: you can check it on skype's website, however, should cost as a outgoing skype call, iirc | 01:01 |
| thresh | you can still launch angry birds! | 01:02 |
| Arif | no you can't! it's not installed ! | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: you'll probably find some fancy shellvar substitution like ${fn:(*png# )} | 01:02 |
| Arif | I'm starting to get annoyed that the N900 doesn't auto disconnect from the internet... | 01:02 |
| lcuk | MikeJB, just get a cheap sim card which offers you a dataplan and SMS stuff and it really expands the scope easily | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Arif, turn it on? | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in settings | 01:03 |
| lcuk | install it! | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, it's supposed to be an always-on device. | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: ueah - I'll just use awk. :) | 01:03 |
| Arif | it connects on demand, but when I'm done using it it stays connected to whatever :) | 01:03 |
| Arif | I don't get through a full day apparently when it is ;o | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Turn on the idle timeout in settings. | 01:04 |
| simoneb_ | Arif: put automatic wifi disconnection in crontab | 01:05 |
| simoneb_ | GeneralAntilles: i don't seem to have any "idle timeout"... where do you see it? | 01:05 |
| Arif | yeah I can't find it either | 01:05 |
| Arif | I have it set to always ask | 01:05 |
| MikeJB | lcuk: In the US, "sim cards" and "cheap" are antonyms | 01:05 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: your examples would fail on a filename containing spaces | 01:05 |
| Arif | and that's the only option :P | 01:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, did they take it out of Maemo 5? | 01:06 |
| Arif | there's an uato connect and a search interval option | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guess so. | 01:06 |
| lcuk | MikeJB, whatever, its just amazing to have it there as a backup | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nevermind, then. | 01:06 |
| lcuk | skype wont work if you arent on wifi | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | mwkn needs more sub-editors | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Time for one of you useless dolts to volunteer. | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: yep. but then again they'll fail in general as it was mostly noise to show a direction | 01:07 |
| simoneb_ | when i start a dbus connection with osso_get_dbus_connection() .... do i need to stop/dealloc it? (how?) | 01:07 |
| pupnik_ | maemo needs more news | 01:07 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, thats a really good way to enlist help | 01:07 |
| Arif | maemo needs more Nokia love | 01:08 |
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| pupnik_ | get revdkathy on it | 01:08 |
| lcuk | Arif, like what | 01:08 |
| Arif | paid ovi store | 01:08 |
| Arif | I want that angry birds pack :D | 01:08 |
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| Arif | +level | 01:08 |
| lcuk | ahhhh | 01:08 |
| Arif | I don't care about the rest | 01:08 |
| Arif | they already fix bugs anyway | 01:09 |
| lcuk | :) but angry birds would not exist without the rest | 01:09 |
| Arif | I mean the rest of the things people keep complaining about | 01:10 |
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| lcuk | maemo works because of the work each and every person has put in over the years | 01:10 |
| lcuk | well tyr to find ways to stop them complaining :p | 01:10 |
| Arif | give them a crapple | 01:10 |
| Arif | =P | 01:10 |
| * SpeedEvil wants more levels for angrybirds. | 01:11 | |
| pupnik_ | i am a little miffed engadget review called it half baked. are other phones really better? | 01:11 |
| lcuk | doesnt work, we tried that, GeneralAntilles hasnt stopped smiling since lol | 01:11 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, we all do | 01:11 |
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| lcuk | i get asked daily by tracy | 01:11 |
| lcuk | she flutters eyelashes at me and asks ever so nicely | 01:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, not really. | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, but they do tend to offer more . . . complete experiences. | 01:12 |
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| pupnik_ | what have you tried GeneralAntilles ? | 01:12 |
| Arif | whatever you call complete | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: ***'d everything. Some are deeply annoying.. | 01:12 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, nicely done | 01:13 |
| lcuk | i thought you were swearing at me for a moment till i realised | 01:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, lots in passing, little else intensely. | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia has a tendency to sort of toss features out there whether or not they're actually working | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is great fun for us, but tends to irritate normal users. | 01:14 |
| Arif | I found out today that the FM transmitter sends the artist/album/title | 01:15 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, examples | 01:15 |
| Arif | :D | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, GSM. | 01:15 |
| lcuk | mm? | 01:16 |
| lcuk | 5357? | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Phone functionality. | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lack of USSD, per-user ringtones, that sort of stuff. | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I don't think the term is entirely inaccurate | 01:16 |
| Arif | I'd be very annoyed by the lack of USSD if I was in Turkey... | 01:17 |
| lcuk | per user ringtones would indeed be cool | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, but it's disingenuous to the real intent. | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | "In progress" is much more reasonable than "half baked" | 01:17 |
| lcuk | they would have to be stored on the contact card i assume | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since the point is to involve the community in development. | 01:17 |
| woglinde | arif should be fixed with next release | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would you apply the term "half baked" to somebody following release early, release often. | 01:17 |
| Arif | I can wait :) | 01:17 |
| lcuk | hey woglinde | 01:17 |
| Arif | and there's the USSD applet anyway | 01:18 |
| Arif | that's why I love this device :P | 01:18 |
| lcuk | arif how long have you had device | 01:18 |
| Arif | hmm | 01:18 |
| Arif | since this Tuesday | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Arif, that's the point. | 01:18 |
| Arif | if I didn't have such a dislike for programming I'd probably be writing stuff too | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The community can contribute to the platform. | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're not at the mercy of the vendor. | 01:19 |
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| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: we are, to a degree | 01:20 |
| Arif | not as bad as iphone users though | 01:20 |
| luke-jr | N900 significantly less though | 01:20 |
| Arif | which the n900 is compared to a lot | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: see backscroll! search for X-RINGTONE | 01:20 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, boil it into a wiki page, give as much info from the discussion as possible | 01:21 |
| lcuk | and talk more about it | 01:21 |
| sandsmark | this key thingy doesn't work: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php | 01:21 |
| sandsmark | (I've been trying all day :-) | 01:21 |
| lcuk | sandman, try left clicking | 01:21 |
| sandman | haha | 01:22 |
| sandman | try again lcuk ;) | 01:22 |
| lcuk | server down o_O | 01:22 |
| sandman | look my nic | 01:22 |
| lcuk | me kicks xchat | 01:22 |
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| lcuk | sandsmark, | 01:23 |
| lcuk | ^ | 01:23 |
| sandman | :) | 01:23 |
| * lcuk is tired | 01:23 | |
| sandsmark | lcuk: :-P | 01:23 |
| woglinde | lcuk me too | 01:23 |
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| sandsmark | but meh, I need that key :( | 01:24 |
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| sandsmark | silly nokia | 01:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 just finished breakfast. Optimized as in today's and tomorrow's breakfast at once | 01:25 | |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, nice idea, you could try that with breakfast and dinner in the same bowl :p | 01:26 |
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| simoneb_ | i always have breakfast and lunch all at once | 01:27 |
| simoneb_ | that is, when i wake up past 1pm | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | that's called brunch | 01:28 |
| pupnik_ | im just amazed at n900 | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I invented brinner | 01:29 |
| pupnik_ | do you guys think it should have slid open one more row for a 4 row keyboard? | 01:29 |
| pupnik_ | i think the kbd is really good tbh | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: it'd be even better with that 4th row | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, but then your thumbs are farther from the touchscreen. | 01:31 |
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| Arif | my finger covers 3 keys at once | 01:32 |
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| Arif | so it's hard to use it.... | 01:32 |
| geneven_ | Hey, I'm having a small problem with xchat. | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Arif: There is a device on the market to help. | 01:33 |
| simoneb_ | having a "&" key would be a nice starter | 01:33 |
| Arif | bluetooth keyboard? ;P | 01:33 |
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| simoneb_ | really... why doesn't it have a & key? | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNE8RV-7mNA | 01:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles has one. | 01:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | geneven_: ? | 01:33 |
| Arif | I use the stylus and the on screen keyboard | 01:33 |
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| Arif | it's easier | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thumbs are faster than stylus on the onscreen. | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Try the corners of your thumbs | 01:34 |
| Arif | not if you press 3 keys at once | 01:34 |
| Arif | :D | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Arif, then you're doing it wrong. | 01:34 |
| simoneb_ | Arif: just a matter of practice, imho | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Indeed | 01:34 |
| Arif | but I only have it for a few days | 01:34 |
| geneven_ | hey speedevil, getting rid of .mozilla solved my other prob, thanks. | 01:34 |
| Arif | maybe I'll get used to it | 01:34 |
| simoneb_ | i have big hands too | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It took me a week or two to adjust | 01:34 |
| Arif | also I have no way to enter þ, ý, ð, ü, ö, and ç on the physical keyboard :P | 01:35 |
| geneven_ | now nickserv is automatically logging me on as geneven and when I go on with xchat it won't let me really on because it thinks I am already there | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: there are things like ' vs , I still miss frequently | 01:35 |
| simoneb_ | Arif: wow, i can't see one of that characters :P | 01:35 |
| Arif | lol | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | geneven_: that's a rather fuzzy description of your problem, and an inaccurate one as well | 01:37 |
| geneven_ | doc, it's not totally inaccurate, it reflects my fuzzy understanding. We live in a fuzzy world, ya know. | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | geneven_: nickserv *never* authenticates you automatically | 01:39 |
| geneven_ | doc, I beg your pardon, a program on my n900 authomatically uses nickserv to authenticate geneven automatically | 01:39 |
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| Arif | perform/ | 01:40 |
| Arif | ? | 01:40 |
| Arif | x) | 01:40 |
| geneven_ | At least, I get a message from nickserve saying I am authenticated, is it lying? | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if you reconnect and your former nick is 'occupied' then you need to free it via /msg nickserv ghost "former-nick" "yourpassword" | 01:40 |
| pupnik_ | geneven_: your irssi client can be automated to do that | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then you can use that nick | 01:40 |
| geneven_ | I'm not using an irssi client, pupnick | 01:41 |
| geneven_ | thanks, doc | 01:41 |
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| geneven_ | I already got a message saying geneven was ghosted, how do I get back on as me? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: I automated my xchat client to do all that :-P | 01:42 |
| pupnik_ | i want a maemo terminal without that scrollbar on the right hand side | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | change your nick to ghosted one. authenticate with nickserv (if you4e not yet) | 01:43 |
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| geneven_ | I am trying slash NICK geneven password and it doesn't seem to be working. | 01:46 |
| geneven_ | but geneven_ is greyed out now so that's progress :) | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | geneven_: /ns id "password" | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | assuming your present nick is grouped | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | otherwise: | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | geneven_: /ns id "newNick" "password" | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | changing nick via /NICK doesn't take a password | 01:49 |
| geneven_ | ok, now I am identified for geneven | 01:49 |
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| geneven_ | but I still see myself as geneven_ | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | geneven_: /nick geneven | 01:50 |
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| geneven_ | doesn't change how I am displayed in xchat | 01:51 |
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| DigitalPioneer | here it works | 01:52 |
| ShadowJK | There's already a "geneven" | 01:52 |
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| ShadowJK | who is also logged in to "geneven" | 01:52 |
| geneven_ | but I'm almost 100% sure that's me | 01:52 |
| Jophish_n900 | No no no. "Activate FULL version for 1.99$". | 01:53 |
| geneven_ | from my N900; I'm on a laptop now | 01:53 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | geneven_: you need t GHOST that geneven prior to claiming that name! | 01:53 |
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| ShadowJK | Jophish_n900, what's that? | 01:53 |
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| geneven_ | I did ghost it and got a message saying it was ghosted, but maybe the n900 put it back! | 01:54 |
| geneven_ | I'll try again | 01:54 |
| geneven_ | ghost geneven zugzwang | 01:54 |
| geneven_ | ok | 01:54 |
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| ShadowJK | and change your password... | 01:54 |
| geneven | ok, it worked, thanks | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | geneven_: it's generally a bad idea to use same nick on concurrently active clients. won't work | 01:55 |
| Gary | geneven: best change your password asap btw | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | naah | 01:55 |
| geneven | I didn't deliberately tell the n900 to do that | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | nobody reads this. | 01:55 |
| geneven | indeed, good thing I have trash passwords I use | 01:56 |
| Arif | first one to steal the account | 01:56 |
| Arif | :p | 01:56 |
| johnsu01 | I don't understand the way this conversations/im widget is supposed to work | 01:56 |
| Arif | it shows new messages? | 01:56 |
| johnsu01 | it's not showing the new messages and it appears to want me to click through all 300+ messages that I've already seen in the conversations app | 01:56 |
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| johnsu01 | is there another way to mark them "read"? | 01:56 |
| geneven | I think it's the conversations thing is also the thing that logs me in automatically | 01:57 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders simply command-line widget with tail xchats logs | 01:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | omg | 01:57 |
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| geneven | bye, thanks again | 01:58 |
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| Arif | I wonder if the password is still the same.. | 01:59 |
| Jophish_n900 | ShadowJK, the app on http://maemo.org | 01:59 |
| Jophish_n900 | apologies if I have sent this more than once, bit of connection troubles. | 02:00 |
| lopz | hey, how write [,] and | in the n900? | 02:00 |
| Jophish_n900 | lopz, the blue arrow then press ctrl. | 02:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | blue arrown, tehn control, then release control and release blue | 02:02 |
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| ShadowJK | what app? | 02:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, they're sticky. | 02:02 |
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| lopz | Jophish_n900, ShadowJK thanks ;) | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: not for me | 02:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, weird | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | hang on - getting n900 from outside | 02:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | forgot about it... | 02:03 |
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| Arif | huh | 02:03 |
| Jophish_n900 | ShadowJK, hoopsfrenzy | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: yup - just mashed both buttons at the same time ten times - sym does not popup | 02:04 |
| Jophish_n900 | I'm hoping that that doesn't become commonplace, and the majority of apps for maemo can remain free (speech) | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, very odd. | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: Same with sym press - roll onto ctro - release sym - release control | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | HoopsFrenzy is open source, no? | 02:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: or with the other way round. Only way it works is press and hold blue - press fn - release fn - release blue | 02:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | uk keyb | 02:07 |
| Arif | use the onscreen keyboard! | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Arif, they broke it in PR1.1. | 02:07 |
| Arif | they did? | 02:07 |
| Arif | what exactly :? | 02:07 |
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| Arif | I didn't have the chance to use 42.11 | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gestures don't work anymore | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has the stupid iPhone keyboard behavior. | 02:08 |
| * SpeedEvil never knew about gestures. | 02:09 | |
| Arif | hmm | 02:09 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs stupid documentation. | 02:09 | |
| * SpeedEvil stabs it again. | 02:09 | |
| SpeedEvil | That's the sort of shit you put in a 'getting started' video | 02:09 |
| Jophish_n900 | GeneralAntilles, I stand corrected. I may as well just compile it myself. | 02:09 |
| * Arif hands SpeedEvil an N900 manual | 02:09 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | gestures??? o.O | 02:12 |
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| * MohammadAG_ points SpeedEvil to /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/User\ Guides/ | 02:12 | |
| GAN900 | Swipe up/down/left/right after tapping a letter for shift, backspace. | 02:12 |
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| MohammadAG_ | GAN900, those were removed afaik | 02:13 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, yes, in PR1.1 | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for onscreen kbd?? | 02:13 |
| GAN900 | Which is my complaint. | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer51, yeah | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | right was space. left was backspace, up was shift, down was enter | 02:14 |
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| Arif | that sounds useful | 02:14 |
| Arif | why did they screw it up | 02:14 |
| Arif | :D | 02:14 |
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| MohammadAG_ | cause they're nokia | 02:15 |
| GAN900 | Because stupid Nokia UI people <3 iPhone. | 02:15 |
| Arif | nobody loves the iphone | 02:15 |
| Arif | stop lying ! :( | 02:15 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Arif, apparently a lot of people do | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | though it's mostly a fad | 02:15 |
| Arif | I'd love it too if it did what I wanted... | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart iphone loving nokians | 02:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, portrait mode is actually vaguely usable w/ google's olympic landing page | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | call it fanboyism but i'd never hold an iPhone in public even if it was given to me for free | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | all doom arises from those idiots | 02:17 |
| timeless_mbp | too bad my mac isn't usable | 02:17 |
| Arif | Free? gimme! | 02:18 |
| Arif | I'm a bit jealous of all those games they have ;( | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 'does it blend?' | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | convinced someone not to buy an iphone and buy an n900 cause it has flash 9.4 | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: eero worked hard to get it into the n800 help | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | too bad the n900 dropped help | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | he needs flash 9.4 (for obvious reasons :P) | 02:18 |
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| Arif | youtube? :P | 02:19 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, help was awful, it's good that it's gone | 02:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | umm.. yeah yeah Youtube haha | 02:19 |
| Arif | pr0ntube? :P | 02:19 |
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| Arif | I wonder if that really exists... | 02:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | the maemo5ui team made youtube video tutorials for various things | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly most people didn't watch them | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | they're not bad ... probably much better than the user guides | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | zootube does, as proven by SpeedEvil :P | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I was meanng the app zoutube | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I misremembered the name | 02:20 |
| Arif | allaboutmaemo has those kinds of videos too... | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | (though for real, don't google it) | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: 1.2's soft keyboard will be slightly better | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Please don't google it. | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | I know SpeedEvil :) | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, i was upset that gestures broke in 1.1 | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | not quite sure why they broke them eithe | 02:21 |
| timeless_mbp | r | 02:21 |
| blizzow | What filesystem types can I format my microsd card with and have my N900 read it? | 02:21 |
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| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, when you said that last time I immediately googled it | 02:21 |
| Arif | fat! | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | blizzow: ext3, vfat | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | only to find... well nvm | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | ext3? | 02:21 |
| Arif | ext3 is evil loonix stuff | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | that showed up an error | 02:21 |
| Arif | :o | 02:21 |
| blizzow | Do I have to do ext3 through my computer, or is there an mkfs binary on my n900? | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol I know | 02:21 |
| blizzow | I couldn't find one at first glance. | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | and vfat is evil ms stuff | 02:22 |
| Arif | that works! | 02:22 |
| blizzow | fsck vfat. | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | Arif, and gets corrupt when pulled out of a PS3 | 02:22 |
| Arif | really? :p | 02:22 |
| * Arif has no PS3 | 02:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | mke2fs | 02:23 |
| timeless_mbp | blizzow: why would you want to do such a thing? | 02:23 |
| * Arif blames Sorny | 02:23 | |
| MohammadAG_ | Arif corrupted my filesystem on the second day | 02:23 |
| blizzow | timeless_mbp: I don't want ms vfat if I can help it. | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | LOL blame MS for not allowing companies to use NTFS | 02:23 |
| timeless_mbp | blizzow: why? | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | mkfs.ext3 too | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | and 4 | 02:24 |
| sandman | how big is the chance of having ext4 in Maemo6? | 02:24 |
| * Arif blames MS for not allowing companies to use NTFS... | 02:24 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | or ignoring the fact that ext3 exists | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's the whole nnunch of mkfs.* | 02:24 |
| luke-jr | sandman: what does it matter? | 02:24 |
| * Arif is sleepy :( | 02:24 | |
| sandman | lotta faster | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | i'm playing with video calls over jabber | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | ext4 is there | 02:24 |
| * MohammadAG_ blames MS for not updating their systems with ext3 support | 02:24 | |
| jacekowski | and i've got setup like that | 02:24 |
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| luke-jr | blizzow: use ext2 | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | sandman: and faster - well - flash has speed demands of its own on ordering | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | gtalk in gmail -> my jabber server on jacekowski.org -> N900 | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | and video from n900 to gmail looks nice | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | you're a religious zealot who insists on speaking an arcane form of ancient serbogreek instead of the lingua franca? | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | but video from gmail to n900 sucks a lot | 02:25 |
| luke-jr | sandman: can ext4 be made to work sanely on SD? | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the reason people use fat is that it works *everywhere* | 02:25 |
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| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: except where microsoft enforces their patent? :p | 02:25 |
| sandman | luke-jr: I am really a noob on this. But when i swapped to Ext4 on my Ubuntu machine... it rocked! | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | which means that you can plug your n900 using usb into _anything_ and get to your data | 02:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 thought it works never and nowhere | 02:26 | |
| jacekowski | ext4 is like delayed /dev/null | 02:26 |
| luke-jr | sandman: that's on a magnetic hard drive | 02:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: nah, those places just cost more because they have to pay :) | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | timeless_mbp, the kitchen sink doesn't recognize it :p | 02:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | your kitchen sink includes a usb port? | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 02:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | gimme. i'll add ancient fat support :) | 02:26 |
| redeeman | sandman: and ofcourse with that switch to ext4 you also lost ALL chance of a filesystem with proper integrity | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | yeah, I charge my N900 in it | 02:26 |
| sandman | redeeman: really i have not found anything bad with it.. stable as hell | 02:27 |
| satmd | does your kitchensink run a propietary os? | 02:27 |
| redeeman | sandman: stable... unless you do any of the things that makes it break, which have been plenty in every single kernel release since ext4 was marked stable | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | as i said | 02:28 |
| jacekowski | ext4 is like delayed /dev/null | 02:28 |
| luke-jr | sandman: even ext3 is not sane to use on SD cards | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | satmd, no it runs chinook :p | 02:28 |
| redeeman | ext3 is not sane to use on anything | 02:28 |
| sandman | redeman: might be so. As i said i am a really noob about this. I have so far not done anything to make it crash | 02:28 |
| luke-jr | redeeman: ext3 works fine on my desktop | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~nuke usb mass storage | 02:29 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at usb mass storage ... B☢☢M! | 02:29 | |
| andres | redeeman: whats fine then? | 02:29 |
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| luke-jr | redeeman: for half a decade now, at least | 02:29 |
| redeeman | well xfs is just tolerable | 02:29 |
| sandman | well.. lets hope for btrfs ;) | 02:29 |
| luke-jr | or nilfs2 | 02:29 |
| redeeman | luke-jr: our concepts of "fine" are not the same | 02:29 |
| luke-jr | redeeman: no data loss | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | What's really needed is sdfs | 02:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | But the problem with that is that the SD algorithms all vary | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: what's really needed is a SD API to disable the block emulation :D | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - that too | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | expose a mtd char device | 02:30 |
| redeeman | ofcourse that's never gonna come | 02:30 |
| sandman | hmm.. there you have it. A filesystem for really small systems | 02:30 |
| redeeman | winblows doesn't support it | 02:30 |
| mavhc | the problem is the translation layer on flash devices | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | sandman: eh, that's jffs2 for sure | 02:30 |
| redeeman | luke-jr: jffs2 is only for seriously embedded use, the newer ones are much better | 02:31 |
| andres | redeeman: Its not like xfs did not have its own share of rather scary issues. And its own memory allocation layer (which got thinner though) is kinda scary as well. | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | sandman: roughly, the people at nokia looked around and made a decision which is hopefully best for the vast majority of potential customers | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | There is little - sane - alternatives. | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | if you aren't an expert, perhaps you should accept that nokia might not have made an incredibly stupid decision and just accept their choice | 02:31 |
| redeeman | andres: it has the basic features one needs though, unlike ext3, and it is not extremely indevelopment-unstable-datalossy as ext4 | 02:32 |
| sandman | yeah, you guys are probably better knowingly than me on this stuff | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | The only other sort-of-sane choice would be to have an underlying FS - with an indexer daemon. | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: which requires dropping USB Mass Storage | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | At plugin time - the FS gets mounted RO - and a daemon creates a virtual FAT drive. | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | or at least creating a virtual hard disk image and translating | 02:32 |
| luke-jr | redeeman: ext3 has more features than the average person needs, so definitely "basic" | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | which is incredibly expensive | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: I don't think it actually is. | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: Incredibly annoying to write - sure. | 02:33 |
| andres | redeeman: with the tradeoff that there were bugs not fixed for a release because christoph hellwig was not around... | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: afaik fat doesn't require writes happen w/in any given time interval | 02:33 |
| redeeman | or just ignore vfat and do the sane thing, expose a REAL fs | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | although it's probably a good idea to do them "relatively quickly" | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: I just doubt nokia's notion on the definition of 'potential customer' | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: you completely emulate a FAT filesystem. Hmm. | 02:33 |
| luke-jr | or just do USB networking and provide samba, n00b :) | 02:34 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: and i think it's vaguely legal to start grabbing clusters and building chains w/o linking them into a file right away | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: I suppose writing to the filesystem from the other end would be nasty | 02:34 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: which doesn't work because windows doesn't give you usb networking out of the box | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: practically, you'd have to do icky things on that side. - like the indexer daemon in reverse - sortof. | 02:34 |
| redeeman | SpeedEvil, timeless_mbp: qemu has virtual vfat code | 02:34 |
| redeeman | and its really nasty | 02:34 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: really? | 02:35 |
| redeeman | it does kinda sorta work though | 02:35 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, usual bullshit response. | 02:35 |
| redeeman | timeless_mbp: so fuck winblows and provide proper stuff | 02:35 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, Nokia knows best. | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | redoh, i'm not saying it's impossible | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm just saying that you might be surprised at the interesting ways in which it will break | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't say fuck winblows in a mass-market device. | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | and there's a difference between an emulator trying to work for hobbyist systems | 02:35 |
| sandman | Hail to Nokia! ;) | 02:35 |
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| redeeman | lol nokia sure isn't aiming for mainstream or anything close with the N900 | 02:36 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, I've long since given up trying to fight them on that, so I don't use virtual input on that. | 02:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and a consumer off the self product which gets introduced into all sorts of strange real world (hostile) environments | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | maybe Nokia should try to make us a device we can use free software on, then ship only the device and let programmers compete in reselling it configured for end users | 02:36 |
| GAN900 | s/on that/anymore/ | 02:36 |
| infobot | GAN900 meant: timeless_mbp, I've long since given up trying to fight them anymore, so I don't use virtual input on that. | 02:36 |
| * GAN900 hadn't realized he dropped into another waste-of-time FAT discussion. | 02:37 | |
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| luke-jr | eg, Nokia can produce skeleton generic devices and let software developers handle the final products | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | split hardware from software development | 02:37 |
| timeless_mbp | e :o | 02:37 |
| sandman | redeeman: Though i saw on the forums on a poll that it was about 50/50 linux and windows users | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | e? | 02:37 |
| redeeman | luke-jr: i doubt that'd be successful | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | redeeman: oh well | 02:37 |
| sandsmark | luke-jr: that could give the hardware a bad reputation, though | 02:37 |
| ShadowJK | That was the way it was before inside nokia, wasn't it.. | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | sandsmark: why? | 02:38 |
| sandsmark | luke-jr: if there's a lot of half-assed software for it | 02:38 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks mbp | 02:38 | |
| sandsmark | luke-jr: just look at how much better Apple's image is than Microsoft :-) | 02:38 |
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| luke-jr | sandsmark: Nokia sells it with no software; software developers add that and sell their own brands ;p | 02:38 |
| sandsmark | providing both hardware and software gives you greater control, and allows you to polish it much more | 02:38 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: my fn-c stroke turns into PIPE instead of EUR. i was pleassantly surprised | 02:38 |
| luke-jr | sandsmark: perhaps in theory, but in practice, it sucks | 02:38 |
| sandsmark | luke-jr: not imho | 02:39 |
| andres | sandsmark: thats why microsofts mice is their most reputated product ;-) | 02:39 |
| sandsmark | luke-jr: again, look at apple :-P | 02:39 |
| luke-jr | sandsmark: just look at Maemo! :P | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | lumost people aren't supposed to encourage their employers to try to go bankrupt | 02:39 |
| doubleukay | € | 02:39 |
| sandsmark | andres: hehe | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | palm btw has showed what happens when you spin off your os from your phone company | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | it worked nicely | 02:39 |
| sandsmark | luke-jr: I blame GTK for that :-P | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sandman: yeah like maemo5 | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | grr | 02:39 |
| luke-jr | sandsmark: GTK isn't at fault for all the Maemo code insanity | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sandsmark: ^ | 02:39 |
| sandsmark | luke-jr: oh yes, it spreads | 02:39 |
| sandsmark | :-P | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | as a "at not to do" | 02:40 |
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| doubleukay | timeless_mbp, how did you configure it like that | 02:40 |
| sandsmark | brainrot from gtk is not all that unusal, I tihnk | 02:40 |
| luke-jr | sandsmark: pretty sure GTK doesn't hardcode usernames | 02:40 |
| fredrin | meh | 02:40 |
| fredrin | how does aircrack-ng work on the n900 | 02:40 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, even the sybian disaster demos that | 02:40 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia had to *buy* symbian to fix it | 02:40 |
| fredrin | ? | 02:40 |
| sandsmark | hehe | 02:40 |
| sandsmark | timeless_mbp: Symbian sells just the software, though | 02:40 |
| sandsmark | now that nokia sells both software and hardware, it is better | 02:41 |
| sandsmark | which proves my point :-P | 02:41 |
| redeeman | timeless_mbp: rofl, are you saying symbian is fixed? what are you smoking? | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | doubleukay: afaik, i didn't do anything | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i haven't had time to investigate to see if there's some strange package or new feature involved | 02:41 |
| frals | anyone else having problems with maemo.org/packages/? | 02:41 |
| frals | timing out every other page here | 02:41 |
| sandsmark | maybe it is realated to this breaking: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php | 02:41 |
| ShadowJK | <standard response> It's the time of week when everyone wants to use it, of course it's broken </standard response> | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, repos down here too | 02:42 |
| timeless_mbp | redjust the organizational problem | 02:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not saying their stack is fixed | 02:42 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK++ | 02:43 |
| ShadowJK | Hopefully nokia fixes silly stuff that was rumoured | 02:43 |
| ShadowJK | Like the symbian signed people having this webform that printed out a sheet of paper in one room, and then a perosn fetching it and typing it in on another compute in order to process someone's signing request | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: err, isn't that how you're supposed to do it? | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't want signing keys exposed to hackable computers | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: that's how german electronic tax ELSTER works :-D | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd be incredibly scared if their signing keys were on connected computers | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | or computers which accepted usb input | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | usb is a good carrier for virii | 02:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | I want the signing machine to only take punched cards. | 02:47 |
| ShadowJK | It makes for a frustrating experience when you just want to test your new build and hve to wait for some monkeys to type in stuff :-) | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Which are burned before reading. | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: done correctly that'll increase the optical contrast XP | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: how's your skyshot project? | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: seemingly inconclusive. | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I need to try again to see if it was properly focussed on infinity | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | some indications are it wasn't | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-S | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no manual focus (?) | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure how the focus is set | 02:56 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | (other than at the lowest level) | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lowest level means sys? | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | no - i2c | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oooh | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | very secret knowledge | 02:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | well- it's one of hte published datasheets for a current output DAC | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | I think there are v4l ioctls? | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I don'tr of course know what drives this | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | probably | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | gst-streamer possibly isn't doing them | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tbh I even doubt this shitty autofocus has any notion of 'infinity' as a predefined setting | 03:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | exactly | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | read out the focus setting on a nice daylight mountain shot, then echo $infinity >/sy/cam/focus ? | 03:11 |
| jacekowski | so, does anybody know why video quality that comes out of gmail is so bad? | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cause it's gmail? | 03:12 |
| god206 | +1 | 03:12 |
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| lcuk | jacekowski, cos gmail is for mail | 03:12 |
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| esaym153 | hmm, I just tried to run apt-get update for the first time in several months on my n810 and it seems like half of the repos are down? | 03:13 |
| esaym153 | is maemo dieing or just overloaded? | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | #2 | 03:13 |
| esaym153 | dead: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ | 03:13 |
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| lcuk | esaym153, theres word that maemo repos are somewhat done in atm, if you have older n810 specific repos those might be down totally tho now. | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-02-14 01:41:58] <ShadowJK> <standard response> It's the time of week when everyone wants to use it, of course it's broken </standard response> | 03:14 |
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| esaym153 | what the heck | 03:14 |
| jacekowski | mhm | 03:14 |
| jacekowski | how to initiate jabber video call from n900? | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | who gives a fsck? | 03:15 |
| esaym153 | I do | 03:16 |
| Toba | giving a fuck status: presently not giving one | 03:16 |
| frals | hrr, playing hockey for 2½hrs after not doing any kind of exercise for the last year... i have a feeling the coming day or two is gonna be painful :P | 03:17 |
| lcuk | lol frals | 03:17 |
| frals | not like im gonna do any physical activity the coming days anyway... DOH, valentines day :P | 03:18 |
| esaym153 | lcuk: where to get info on the repos at? | 03:18 |
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| esaym153 | I need to install some software | 03:18 |
| lcuk | indeed you do, ive only heard from here tho, is the stuff you want from the maemo repositories? if so, just keep trying | 03:19 |
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| pillar | sending to the autobuilder seems to not work as well | 03:20 |
| esaym153 | yes, every repo on maemo.org or nokia.com sees to just give a 504, Ever tried going there on my desktop machine, same thing | 03:21 |
| esaym153 | >:( | 03:21 |
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| pillar | I think Nokia should have considered other isp's than geocities as well :) | 03:22 |
| hajmola | anyone know if one can skype through edge on the n900? I'm looking to purchase one but don't live in a complete 3g area | 03:22 |
| lcuk | odd, the cover page loads (repository.maemo.org but the content doesnt | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | edge seems a lil thin for VoIP | 03:23 |
| hajmola | yeah, it does but I was wondering if anyone had first hand experience... | 03:23 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: depends on codec | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:23 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: GSM codec can run more than fine over edge | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it does, but on skype you have no clue what codec is used | 03:24 |
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| ShadowJK | the latency is probably worse | 03:24 |
| sandman | does Nokia just have one repo server? that is bad. They should have at least two or three for backup. | 03:24 |
| jacekowski | it's only jutter and delays that are real problem | 03:24 |
| hajmola | hm, so noe one has tried it? | 03:24 |
| ShadowJK | sandman, it has akamai | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:24 |
| jacekowski | sandman: have you heard about clusters | 03:24 |
| sandman | jacekowski: yeah | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hajmola: tbh I kicked skype off all my machines years ago | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's *BAD* | 03:25 |
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| hajmola | DocScrutinizer, well, I'm talking specifically about the n900 | 03:26 |
| jacekowski | hajmola: i've tried it | 03:26 |
| jacekowski | hajmola: and well, it's working | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | all machines includes N900. Thought that's obvious | 03:26 |
| hajmola | jacekowski, thanks, call quality? | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ESPECIALLY N900. Skype prolly sucks bat as if there's no next call | 03:27 |
| jacekowski | same shit as ussual | 03:27 |
| hajmola | ok | 03:27 |
| jacekowski | i know people that use skype over mobile broadband | 03:28 |
| jacekowski | and they are barely covered by 2g | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | hajmola: GPRS has latencies of up to 2s though | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | hajmola: so you might not be happy - even if it works from a bw POV | 03:28 |
| jacekowski | and it works reasonably well | 03:29 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's not much worse than normall call | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | For GPRS - the delay is ~1s-2s here. | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | dud, that's definitely impossible | 03:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | I haven't tried edge | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | 3g is lots better | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | (not much worse) | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, alsost as low latency as HSCSD | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | which in turn has almost same latency as GSM voice | 03:32 |
| wazd | looks like my PC was a part of a botnet :) | 03:37 |
| ShadowJK | gprs is fun, I've seen icmp ping replies of 70 seconds :) | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yoh | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen IRC pings stored up for 90sec on 3G as well though | 03:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just 2h ago | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | in a pub with poor coverage | 03:43 |
| ShadowJK | oh in my case it was more like "If I send UDP packets at slightly faster than it can handle I should get the full speed on the other end, right, lol" | 03:44 |
| ShadowJK | it worked very well for a little while, at some point I think the network is like "too many bytes queued, gtfo" and disconnects :( | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrhrhrr | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you never know what carrier does to "overall ensure quality of service" | 03:51 |
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| Pavel | Hildon App Manager only upgrades libraries when applications are upgraded, right? | 04:06 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 04:12 |
| ShadowJK | oh wow, nilfs2 seems to work now in 2.6.32 | 04:16 |
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| ShadowJK | I thought it was broken, but it turned out I had booted my sheevaplug with a 3.6.31.2 kernel accidentally | 04:17 |
| lcuk | + | 04:18 |
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| sandman | ShadowJK: nilfs2 looks good in a developing state of use but how good is it in other uses? | 04:34 |
| ShadowJK | nilfs2 looks nice on sd | 04:34 |
| sandman | how fast will it fill up the disc? | 04:35 |
| ShadowJK | dunno, old stuff gets removed unless you ask to keep it | 04:35 |
| sandman | sorry for my noobish questions.. never heard of it before | 04:35 |
| sandman | ok | 04:36 |
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| ShadowJK | by default it keeps stuff around for an hour, it seems | 04:38 |
| sandman | cool! It would be a good filesystem for early testing | 04:39 |
| ShadowJK | I'm mostly interested in it because it writes stuff into a giant log... almost totally sequentially all the time | 04:40 |
| sandman | yeah, that could be useful | 04:41 |
| ShadowJK | (SD-type storage is extremely slow at random writes) | 04:41 |
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| ShadowJK | For example when I copy a 3 gigabyte directory tree with mostly 1 - 500kbyte files onto a USB memory stick, I get about 500kbytes/sec with ext3, and 5000kbytes/sec with nilfs2 | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It can get much slower than that | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | (than 10:1 slowdown) | 04:42 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 04:42 |
| ShadowJK | this device has a sequential write speed of about 20 megabytes/sec | 04:42 |
| sandman | hmm.. so what is the fastest filesystem for SD. Not thinking of stability. | 04:44 |
| ShadowJK | perhaps LogFS | 04:44 |
| ShadowJK | btrfs was a bit unpredictable when I tested it (both stability and speed) | 04:44 |
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| sandman | hmm.. this could be something (LogFS) | 04:45 |
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| sandman | Just need my device to come :) | 04:46 |
| sandman | thanks for the input shadow | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | just be careful when googling nilfs | 04:47 |
| sandman | ohh? | 04:47 |
| sandman | ahh | 04:47 |
| sandman | hahaha | 04:47 |
| sandman | i bet someone got a supprise looking that up ;) | 04:48 |
| Toba | hrm | 04:50 |
| Toba | on the n900, the virtual keyboard works fine for maemo apps with text fields.. but how do I get it to show up for the x terminal? | 04:50 |
| Toba | I can't type things like pipe symbol | 04:50 |
| Toba | nevermind. | 04:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer thinks google and SpeedEvil are special friends | 04:57 | |
| crashanddie | anyone very good with mod_rewrite and .htaccess files here? | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 05:03 |
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| acidjazz | me | 05:05 |
| user_ | inmap | 05:05 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: me? | 05:21 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: k | 05:22 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: I have a rewrite rule which makes my index.php disappear | 05:22 |
| crashanddie | so I can call directly domain.tld/whatever/foo/123 | 05:22 |
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| crashanddie | and my PHP scripts will receive whatever/foo/123 as parameters | 05:22 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 05:22 |
| crashanddie | I want to make it so that when I call domain.tld/2010/06/front it actually goes to domain.tld/edition/index/2010/06/front | 05:23 |
| crashanddie | RewriteRule ^(\d+)/(\d+)$ index.php?/edition/index/$1/$2 [L] | 05:24 |
| crashanddie | (in this case it's domain.tld/2010/06) | 05:24 |
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| Pio | ;;;jh | 05:25 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: RewriteRule ^/?(\d+/.*)$ /edition/index/$1 [R=301] | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: put before other rules | 05:35 |
| crashanddie | thanks | 05:35 |
| VoltageX | hi, is there a way to use the python hildon-banner from the command line? | 05:35 |
| VoltageX | I *do NOT* need a full hildon app, only notifications!! | 05:35 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: no go, sadly | 05:40 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: I can dump the rewrite.log and my full .htaccess if that made things easier | 05:46 |
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| ml-something | can anyone go at tmo with a pickaxe? | 05:51 |
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| crashanddie | microlith: to do what? | 05:51 |
| microlith | distill those complaint threads down to something at least somewhat useful | 05:51 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I've stopped caring about that | 05:51 |
| crashanddie | everytime a mod tries to make things better by centralising the complaints or delete useless and trolling threads, we get told that we're Nokia's buffoons tryign to silence their complaints | 05:52 |
| crashanddie | when we ask them to keep it down, and to try to be constructive, we get told we're elitists from the old garde | 05:53 |
| SpeedEvil | TMO can only be insane. | 05:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Its very structure is meant to drive that tendancy in posters. | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, ah, don't you love it? :P | 05:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hooker! | 05:54 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: No, I don't like it | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn elitist bastard | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trying to keep the working stiff down | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | You and your cabals | 05:54 |
| crashanddie | working stiff? | 05:54 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no global overview, a tendancy to - because of the 10 threads/page limit - to simply read and respond to the last page, ... | 05:54 |
| crashanddie | is that a oephemism for male hooker? | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: got a link I can examine? | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, hey, at least they're consistent. ;) | 05:55 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: not public, I'll send the .htaccess and log to a pastebin, that alright? | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | eh, I guess; but I figure things out by trial and error | 05:57 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: yeah... I know | 05:57 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: well, if you have an FTP I don't mind putting things on it | 05:57 |
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| crashanddie | we'll get massive database errors, but the hell with it | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: meh, log is easier than messing with that | 05:58 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: log: http://slexy.org/raw/s21fLc0Kil htaccess: http://slexy.org/view/s2mgUDlYtq | 06:04 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: looks like it worked to me | 06:06 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: split uri=index.php?/http://mwkn.net/edition/index/2010/06/front/06/front -> uri=index.php, args=/http://mwkn.net/edition/index/2010/06/front/06/front | 06:07 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: got it | 06:10 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: changed R301 to L | 06:10 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: yup, working fine now, thanks heaps mate | 06:17 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: np. remember this next time you think I am a mere troll :P | 06:19 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: will do | 06:19 |
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| sandman | Damn.. the more i see about this N900 the more i love it. :) Nokia know their stuff | 07:11 |
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| VoltageXYZ | sandman: you won't love the dev documentation or the community | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 07:13 |
| VoltageXYZ | the dev documentation is incomplete and the community is only interested in the next SNES/PS1 emulator release | 07:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VoltageXYZ, clearly. :rolleyes: | 07:13 |
| * man_in_irssi waves | 07:13 | |
| sandman | haha | 07:13 |
| man_in_irssi | been a while since i've been here | 07:14 |
| VoltageXYZ | GeneralAntilles: seriously, try finding a DBUS reference | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | VoltageXYZ, I find your take on the community more hilarious. | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, trolling isn't particularly appreciated. | 07:14 |
| VoltageXYZ | GeneralAntilles: Maemo's DBUS methods are quite different, yet they're not documented anywhere | 07:14 |
| sandman | well.. except crashanddies wellcomming words in the beginning.. i just love the community | 07:14 |
| VoltageXYZ | how am I trolling? | 07:15 |
| man_in_irssi | anyone know a way to get roxterm on diablo to treat the fullscreen button correctly? :) | 07:15 |
| VoltageXYZ | I've just spent the afternoon failing to create a little yellow notification at the top of my N900 | 07:15 |
| * man_in_irssi trolls GeneralAntilles | 07:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | VoltageXYZ, libnotify is what you're after. | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | VoltageXYZ, realize, though, that it's actually not intended for 3rd party use. | 07:16 |
| VoltageXYZ | using libnotify results in a tiny little white box popping up in the corner then fading out nicely. | 07:16 |
| VoltageXYZ | and the hildon-banner example creates an ENTIRE GTK APPLICATION just to display a notification that should be one line of code. | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | VoltageXYZ, I find unjustified slights against this community hard to stomach. | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just because you've had a hard afternoon doesn't mean you need to vent your spleen on us. :) | 07:17 |
| VoltageXYZ | sorry. | 07:17 |
| VoltageXYZ | I'm looking for a) a way to use hildon-banner without a whole GTK app, and b) a complete reference of Maemo's DBUS variation. | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk to qwerty12 if you need assistance with notifications. | 07:17 |
| VoltageXYZ | what timezone is qwerty12 in? | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | UK | 07:18 |
| VoltageXYZ | bleh. | 07:18 |
| VoltageXYZ | Australia here. | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | PM or email are most effective since he hasn't been on IRC in forever. | 07:18 |
| VoltageXYZ | eh I think I'll give up for the moment | 07:19 |
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| sandman | VoltageXYZ: sometimes a good night sleep is all that it takes | 07:19 |
| VoltageXYZ | the annoying thing is I got a modal notification going | 07:19 |
| VoltageXYZ | sandman: sleep won't help if I can't see the DBUS namespace at all. | 07:20 |
| VoltageXYZ | :D | 07:20 |
| sandman | hehe.. true :) | 07:20 |
| VoltageXYZ | trying to find a dbus-browser for Maemo currently | 07:20 |
| sandman | sorry, can't help you there.. <-- noob on N900 | 07:21 |
| VoltageXYZ | sigh, Maemo mailing list says the notification interface is undocumented | 07:23 |
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| sandman | hmm.. you probably already know this.. but Ubuntu use the hildon too. Maybe you could some referens there.. | 07:29 |
| sandman | find* | 07:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (notification) still a lot of OSS apps use it. E.g. fm-receiver | 07:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer points to incredible mdbus introspection feature | 07:33 | |
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| VoltageXYZ | yeah tomorrow maybe I'll script up some introspection - d-feet crashes badly on N900 | 07:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | python ;-) | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | no crash on maemo5 | 07:39 |
| VoltageXYZ | d-feet is also python :P but more dependencies | 07:39 |
| VoltageXYZ | DocScrutinizer: THANKS! | 07:39 |
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| b1ackdeath | hello | 07:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yello | 07:50 |
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| maemouser | hi | 09:05 |
| maemouser | cn i get some support on the n900 | 09:06 |
| maemouser | such as how do i add missed calls to the desktop menu | 09:06 |
| maemouser | instead of going all the way to the phone | 09:06 |
| man_in_irssi | humm, no pgup | 09:06 |
| maemouser | man_in_irssi: talking to someone else? | 09:07 |
| man_in_irssi | yah | 09:07 |
| man_in_irssi | m | 09:07 |
| maemouser | whats pgup? | 09:07 |
| man_in_irssi | *me | 09:07 |
| man_in_irssi | can't view my backlog | 09:08 |
| ShadowJK | man_in_irssi, statusbar? | 09:10 |
| ShadowJK | in xterm | 09:10 |
| ShadowJK | ctrl, tab, exc, pgup, pgdn, fullscreen | 09:10 |
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| man_in_irssi | roxterm | 09:12 |
| man_in_irssi | good idea though | 09:12 |
| maemouser | cn i get some support on the n900? | 09:13 |
| maemouser | such as how do i add missed calls to the desktop menu | 09:13 |
| maemouser | is it possible to add it like a wdiget | 09:13 |
| maemouser | basically if i get a missed call i'd like to see it liosted on the desktop | 09:14 |
| * ShadowJK doesn't know, sorry | 09:14 | |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: my framework is ready to host the website -- all dynamic, not static HTML pages anymore | 09:19 |
| crashanddie | maemouser: please don't repeat your questions so often | 09:20 |
| crashanddie | maemouser: if someone can help, they will | 09:20 |
| maemouser | crashanddie yeah | 09:20 |
| maemouser | so any idea about my question? | 09:20 |
| crashanddie | it's not possible as far as I'm aware, at least not out-of-the-box | 09:20 |
| maemouser | oh | 09:20 |
| crashanddie | Maybe someone could hack small widget that would call the phone API, but honestly I don't know if it's available | 09:20 |
| maemouser | is it going to be able? | 09:21 |
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| maemouser | is it going to be avilable? | 09:21 |
| crashanddie | as I said, I don't know if it's technically possible with the current state of the API, I haven't looked at it | 09:21 |
| maemouser | ok | 09:21 |
| maemouser | so when can we upgrade to the new maemo | 09:21 |
| maemouser | or the next verson | 09:21 |
| crashanddie | what new maemo? | 09:22 |
| maemouser | maemo 6 of course | 09:22 |
| crashanddie | maemouser: The N900 will most likely not be supported by Maemo 6 | 09:22 |
| maemouser | then? | 09:22 |
| maemouser | and why not | 09:23 |
| maemouser | this phone is still new | 09:23 |
| maemouser | and gees expensive | 09:23 |
| maemouser | and only the very next version cant be supported on this phone?! | 09:23 |
| crashanddie | maemouser: I have work to do, not time to listen to moaners, sorry. The forums have tons of information, and so does Google. | 09:23 |
| maemouser | oh sweet | 09:23 |
| maemouser | yeah im moaning | 09:23 |
| maemouser | new phone | 09:23 |
| maemouser | fuckload of money | 09:24 |
| maemouser | and the newxt version has no support for n900 | 09:24 |
| maemouser | sweet fucking ripof | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemouser, dude, Maemo 6 MIGHT be out Q1 next year. | 09:24 |
| maemouser | happy maemoing | 09:24 |
| maemouser | fuck thgat shit | 09:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | maemouser, nobody knows whether Maemo 6 will support the N900. | 09:24 |
| maemouser | this shit works cock | 09:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Better | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | You forgot a snarky reason, though. :P | 09:24 |
| crashanddie | if he comes back, I'll kick him with reason "GeneralAntilles"... Snarky enough for you? | 09:25 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: "attempted trolling the Prince of Darkness" | 09:32 |
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| Ken-Young | I was kinda hoping to see if maemouser would explode. | 09:34 |
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| RST38h | He will, eventually. | 09:35 |
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| RST38h | Heh, jaem publicly exploded right on tmo =) | 09:35 |
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| VoltageXYZ | it's a preview phone, it always was a preview phone and it still is a preview phone. I just wish it came at a preview price. | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | :rolleyes: | 09:41 |
| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: correction: there are people who know the support status, but they're under NDA | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wolfie, actually, they may not even be sure at this point. :) | 09:42 |
| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: my inside-guy has said to know the answer, but not at the liberty to tell | 09:42 |
| Wolfie | so i | 09:42 |
| VoltageXYZ | it's not even useful to say that kind of thing, just stirs up the masses | 09:43 |
| Wolfie | i'm pretty certain that the status is already known and solid | 09:43 |
| Wolfie | VoltageXYZ: you don't say | 09:43 |
| VoltageXYZ | all that it means for me is my next nokia purchase is 3+ years away instead of 1 year away. | 09:43 |
| VoltageXYZ | and my peer group has all moved away from Nokia etc etc. | 09:44 |
| VoltageXYZ | end result is Nokia loses customers. | 09:44 |
| Wolfie | well, i wouldn't buy a new cell phone a year after my previous anyways | 09:44 |
| VoltageXYZ | Although, you can sum it all up by saying "Maemo is open, Nokia is not" | 09:44 |
| Wolfie | no matter what hype. Although, I might've skipped the n900 if i'd known that in a year, there's a newer and better phone/os combination, which isn't backwards compatible | 09:45 |
| SpeedEvil | The n900 could have shipped with considerably more binary modules than it has. | 09:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | for example | 09:45 |
| Wolfie | and that isn't saying that i know that maemo6 would be backwards incompatible | 09:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Not to mention the plausibility of mer being a real alternative in a year | 09:46 |
| VoltageXYZ | yeah, I should have skipped the N900 as well. It's better than OpenMoko, but still not there. | 09:46 |
| VoltageXYZ | what's Mer? | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wolfie, not accurate. | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wolfie, both will ship Qt 4.6. | 09:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ~mer | 09:46 |
| infobot | well, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 09:46 |
| RST38h | VoltageXYZ: I am using my preview phone daily | 09:46 |
| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: well, there's the aspect of multitouch | 09:46 |
| RST38h | VoltageXYZ: I tried giving up on my preview phone and going to the real phone and it did not work. | 09:47 |
| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: but, as said, i have no info about the compatibility status | 09:47 |
| RST38h | How weird is that? | 09:47 |
| VoltageXYZ | so am I. But I won't be able to use it when I'm travelling due to Ovi Maps being broken. | 09:47 |
| villager | the osso-icons-default artwork is non-free, right? | 09:47 |
| RST38h | There are Maep, Maemo Maps, eCoach, and a few other alternatives | 09:47 |
| VoltageXYZ | RST38h: all of which download map tiles on the fly, which will send me broke when travelling internationally. | 09:48 |
| RST38h | VoltageXYZ: They all cache. | 09:48 |
| RST38h | So, you can precache | 09:48 |
| VoltageXYZ | yes, but with a working Ovi maps I can download the 1GB europe pack at home on DSL. | 09:49 |
| Ken-Young | VoltageXYZ, Are you an Openmoko refugee too? | 09:50 |
| VoltageXYZ | Ken-Young: yep, once the SD reader in my OpenMoko died | 09:51 |
| RST38h | As there is no working Ovi Maps, I do not see why this is relevant | 09:51 |
| VoltageXYZ | RST38h: to avoid going bankrupt, I need to "precache" maps for Germany and France | 09:51 |
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| RST38h | Then precache maps for Germany and France. | 09:53 |
| VoltageX | so there is a way to wget from Google Maps or OSM? | 09:54 |
| RST38h | Any map application will do it automatically | 09:54 |
| RST38h | all you need is give it a few scrolls through the map at different resolutions | 09:54 |
| VoltageX | I'm not quite understanding you | 09:54 |
| VoltageX | ...I need to *manually scroll* through *two countries* | 09:54 |
| RST38h | and yes, you can wget from Google Maps or OSM | 09:54 |
| RST38h | although nobody has written a proper script yet (except for Maemo Maps, where it is currently not operational AFAIK) | 09:55 |
| VoltageX | hopefully before I go overseas someone will have got it working | 09:55 |
| VoltageX | or Nokia will fix Ovi Maps. | 09:56 |
| VoltageX | or I'll just go back to my N95 :/ | 09:56 |
| * RST38h would not go back to N95 for maps | 09:59 | |
| RST38h | 320x240. Ridiculous, with or without offline map downloads | 09:59 |
| VoltageX | worked fine for me for 2 years :P but I understand | 10:02 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Do you realise how _huge_ raster maps are? | 10:03 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Yep | 10:03 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: You're looking at easily hundreds of times the size of vector maps | 10:03 |
| VoltageX | I'm guessing RST38h is on a much cheaper/faster internet connection than you or I | 10:04 |
| SpeedEvil | There is also the problem that a popular app that downloads maps from OSM will kill the OSM tileservers | 10:04 |
| SpeedEvil | they are currently peaking at 80M of 100M ethernet IIRC | 10:04 |
| VoltageX | so give me a torrent... | 10:05 |
| SpeedEvil | torrents handle updating poorlyunfortunately. | 10:06 |
| SpeedEvil | The right solution is a nice vector map program - but none is quite there yet | 10:06 |
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| villager | grr, can't seem to download sources from repository.maemo.org | 10:18 |
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| slonopotamus | ~ping | 10:35 |
| infobot | ~pong | 10:35 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:58 |
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| Ken-Young | Good morning, Jaffa | 11:00 |
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| crashanddie | morning Jaffa | 11:41 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: the portal is ready to host a new edition if you want. I'm still using an importer from the text file to database though | 11:45 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: working on the subeditors/editors portal at the moment | 11:45 |
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| Arnoud | hi does anybody have any problem with root use? for the root user everthing now is read-only | 11:58 |
| valdyn | Arnoud: thats not possible unless it is mounted read-only | 11:58 |
| Arnoud | but i'm talking about /home/user/Mydocs | 11:59 |
| Arnoud | let me see where it is mounted | 11:59 |
| valdyn | Arnoud: "mount | grep MyDocs" | 12:00 |
| Arnoud | it says in mount rw and fmask=0133 | 12:00 |
| Arnoud | thanks for answering the call btw :D | 12:01 |
| dnaumov | Arnoud: I've had a similar issue where the filesystem became ro, despite being mounted as rw according to mount | 12:01 |
| dnaumov | Arnoud: see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8926 | 12:01 |
| povbot` | Bug 8926: rootfs stuck in readonly mode (UBIFS error (pid 398): ubifs_scan: LEB 402 scanning failed) | 12:01 |
| Arnoud | since it's Mydocs ill do a reboot see if that works, though i hate reboots in linux :) | 12:02 |
| valdyn | Arnoud: guess you need to reboot | 12:02 |
| valdyn | Arnoud: kernel bug or the fs is actually broken | 12:02 |
| Arnoud | ahh i see it indeed, incase of error it reboots to ro | 12:02 |
| Arnoud | though it still says rw | 12:02 |
| Arnoud | mmm | 12:03 |
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| Arnoud | thought at first my sshd was borked | 12:03 |
| dnaumov | the fun part is that if you try to edit fstab to disable the "mount as ro in case of error", you cant SAVE your change, because fstab is on the ro filesystem :) | 12:03 |
| Arnoud | LOL | 12:04 |
| Arnoud | since when does the telephone reboot itself when you press the (I) key long ? | 12:04 |
| tank-man | maybe a fsck can fix it | 12:04 |
| dnaumov | no such thing as fsck for ubifs | 12:05 |
| tank-man | oh | 12:05 |
| dnaumov | I remember reading dev notes saying "due to the nature of how ubifs, no fsck tool is needed", yeah right, famous last words | 12:06 |
| andres | mount -o remount,rw might work if you dare to try... | 12:06 |
| dnaumov | how ubifs+works | 12:06 |
| valdyn | where does ubifs matter here where MyDocs is vfat ? | 12:06 |
| Arnoud | i rebooted already gonna check now if it works | 12:07 |
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| Arnoud | indeed | 12:08 |
| Arnoud | i should have looked first hand at bugs thanks dnaumov | 12:08 |
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| plastun | hello! can anybody help me with hildon FileChooserDialog? | 12:15 |
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| plastun | oh, I solve my problem ;) | 12:19 |
| Arnoud | :) | 12:19 |
| pupnik | moo | 12:19 |
| pupnik | some c code is very unportable | 12:20 |
| pupnik | panucci player has constant dropouts | 12:21 |
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| pillar | servers still down? the isp really doesn't have any weekend support? | 12:26 |
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| pupnik | what error you get | 12:30 |
| pupnik | !mirror | 12:30 |
| pupnik | ~mirror | 12:30 |
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| ifreq | and is the error related to apt-get/app manager on device, or within maemo sdk | 12:30 |
| RST38h | mirror mirror on the wall... | 12:31 |
| pupnik | i think the nogravity guys may release for n900 RST38h | 12:32 |
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| pupnik | they fixed their stuff for iphone | 12:32 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: =8) | 12:34 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: It is just a shooter though, no Elite-like trading stuff? | 12:35 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: BTW, Windoze version does not download for some reason =( | 12:38 |
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| pupnik | no trading | 12:41 |
| pupnik | in the open source version | 12:41 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: cool, not going to have online time until this afternoon | 12:42 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: ok | 12:43 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: but assuming a) site is scalable and b) db username/pass isn't hardcoded in source code, we can try putting it online later (leave me instructions if you're in bed) | 12:44 |
| * Arif yawns | 12:44 | |
| pupnik | maybe x3 guiys will release for maemo | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: just a config file in which to put username/password and db host. I have a sql schema as well | 12:45 |
| pupnik | whatwever terrible ubngoogleable name those idiot germans chose | 12:45 |
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| Hukka | Oh for... This is off topic, but seems like Uiemo is from Tieto | 12:46 |
| Hukka | Or they have some kind of private access to it | 12:46 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: /me nods | 12:49 |
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| woglinde | hi | 12:51 |
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| RST38h | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/02/500x_office-mac.jpg | 12:53 |
| thresh | nice | 12:54 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: seen http://www.mwkn.net/2010/06/download.html and the corresponding resources/download.php in svn? Not sure quite yet where to put the link, possibly in the ToC | 12:59 |
| RST38h | "Under Obama, targeted killings take precedence" (C)WashPost | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: didn't see that | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: btw, site works dynamically as mwkn.net/2010/06/front | 13:00 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: if absolutely required, I can add .html at the end, but I think it's superfluous | 13:01 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: sections (front page, community) is dynamically generated as well, specify their order, etc | 13:01 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: let me finish the user implementation and I'll work on the download page, should be easy | 13:02 |
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| Arnoud | with what application can i see window shares on the nn900 because in mediaplayer i can see them but they seem to be empty. | 13:18 |
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| dnaumov | Arnoud: most likely because the background media indexer is not indexing your shares | 13:19 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: cool, we should also make sure we send appropriate cache control headers (e.g. expires at 6am on next Monday) | 13:19 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: there is no caching, is there? | 13:20 |
| Arnoud | dnaumov: how can i make it so? just wait a long time? | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: different folder structure | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: one minute mwkn.net points to /2010/06/front, the next one it points to /2010/07/front | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: and /2010/06/front doesn't expire | 13:21 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: yeah, hence the Expires of "next Monday" | 13:21 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: It does, becausde it has a list of issues | 13:21 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: good point | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: it'll be good if it's on the server, I could use a critical eye | 13:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | Does someone know a simple tagger program for the n900? | 13:25 |
| Shapeshifter | I need to tag a few mp3s | 13:25 |
| Shapeshifter | CLI is okay. | 13:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | also, how can I search apt-cache in a less "general" way. everytime I do a search it lists hundrets of packages | 13:26 |
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| Jaffa | Shapeshifter: Mussorgsky is a GUI app | 13:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | Jaffa: thanks | 13:36 |
| matthew- | Damn | 13:36 |
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| matthew- | Something happened to my n900.... | 13:36 |
| matthew- | Something horrible | 13:36 |
| matthew- | ;-) | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | it's hungover? | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:36 |
| matthew- | well, a) to slowed down | 13:37 |
| matthew- | hell knows why, and the repos | 13:37 |
| matthew- | i cant 'disable' catalogues | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | a) is probably tracker thumbnailing going crazy | 13:37 |
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| matthew- | Can I just disable the repos i dont want and then apt-get upgrade ? | 13:39 |
| matthew- | or update? | 13:39 |
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| matthew- | 'checking for updates' in the app manager is actually apt-get update, right? | 13:44 |
| plastun | yes | 13:45 |
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| matthew- | plastun: are the repos working correctly? | 13:45 |
| plastun | matthew-, not sure, I can't we the Fremantle repository in my browser | 13:46 |
| plastun | Service Unavailable | 13:47 |
| plastun | The server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later. | 13:47 |
| wazd | heya all | 13:47 |
| plastun | hi! | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | morn wazd | 13:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: installed W7 finally | 13:48 |
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| matthew- | Dunno why, but my phone seems 'slow' | 13:49 |
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| plastun | w7must die :) | 13:50 |
| wazd | plastun: yeayea :) | 13:50 |
| plastun | yea :) | 13:50 |
| plastun | wazd, I almost finished working on beta10! | 13:51 |
| LB1938 | we really need to get tsocks patched so it doesnt leak dns | 13:51 |
| plastun | tags binding will be available | 13:51 |
| LB1938 | or to get torsocks working, | 13:51 |
| LB1938 | was anyone able to get it working ? | 13:52 |
| wazd | plastun: awesome | 13:52 |
| plastun | yea | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | what are the odds, md5 generated: abcabcabc9b1d6e0f620060eb3541 | 13:55 |
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| andres | crashanddie: about the same odds as for any other md5 ;-) | 13:57 |
| crashanddie | andres: fair point | 13:58 |
| andres | (which is not exactly true because of some structural weaknesses, but ...) | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | I just absolutely hate it when you choose a library because some guy was actually pretty smart when he thought of it | 13:59 |
| crashanddie | sadly, his implementation is less than ideal... | 13:59 |
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| crashanddie | Let me demonstrate | 13:59 |
| crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s2gYMcluCK <- original library | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s218TA81yo <- my "version" | 14:03 |
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| crashanddie | he wants to save on a 3 queries per user registration ;? | 14:05 |
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| Arif | morning :o | 14:06 |
| Jophish_n900 | goodmorning Arif | 14:08 |
| Arif | what's up *yawn* | 14:08 |
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| strohi | hey | 14:23 |
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| cehteh | hey my n900 has magic self-charging | 14:53 |
| cehteh | battery eye shows an increase in charge while it laied on the table, not connected to charger | 14:54 |
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| villager | finally, wireless charging | 14:55 |
| ifreq | cool | 14:56 |
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| cehteh | now i resist to plug it into the charger .. who knows what dimension that will open and what will creep out of it | 14:58 |
| RST38h | cehteh: I bet you missed SCP-324 yesterday | 14:58 |
| cehteh | SCP-what? | 14:58 |
| RST38h | oh, wait, wrong one. a moment | 14:59 |
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| thresh | cehteh: remember to have your towel nearby | 14:59 |
| cehteh | yep | 15:00 |
| cehteh | well looks like its decreasing now :/ | 15:00 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-229 | 15:01 |
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| PBeck | hi | 15:04 |
| PBeck | i have a question to pymaemo. I use the touchselector for a list, how can i remove all items in one column? | 15:04 |
| PBeck | when i use remove_column, how can i add a new column? | 15:05 |
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| PBeck | ah i have found a solution | 15:12 |
| PBeck | i create a new empty gtk.treeview | 15:12 |
| RST38h | Ahhha! Picasa sharing plugin is finally in extras! | 15:12 |
| * RST38h cackles | 15:13 | |
| PBeck | and set it as new model => set_model(0, emptytreeview) | 15:13 |
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| * RST38h will now be able to send his shitty cellphone photos straight to picasa | 15:13 | |
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| Vanadis | is the maemo.org repository down? | 15:24 |
| hcarrega | yape | 15:25 |
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| hcarrega | nobody works in weekend | 15:25 |
| hcarrega | ;) | 15:25 |
| Vanadis | great | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | Vanadis: it jumps up and down | 15:27 |
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| Vanadis | kthx | 15:28 |
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| hcarrega | since yesterday i want to update ovi new update | 15:28 |
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| hcarrega | and nothing | 15:28 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: download page finished | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw the maemo news thing is nice | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: we're putting it on steroids | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll get around to buzzing it once i resolve some my buzz credentials | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: at the moment the compilation of an edition is pretty much manual | 15:42 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: I've just finished the backend engine for the display, working on the subeditors and editors portal | 15:42 |
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| Milo- | any clues on when the next nokia update will arrive? | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | your guess is just as good as ours | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | Milo-: I overheard a russian spy thinking it may have been on Valentine's to show us some love, but well, that was just a hoax, as it turns out | 15:48 |
| Milo- | :P | 15:48 |
| ifreq | i heard next patch will be doing silently so no one notices even | 15:49 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: cool; I've linked it in as "Download issue" under the list of sections and included it at the end of the email announcement and in the "In this issue" for the tmo announcement | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: will you be available tomorrow to talk/test things? | 15:49 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Yup | 15:50 |
| RST38h | Ok, irreco goes into the trashbin. | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: ok, good. I'll be online from 6PM my time, so roughly 8AM your time | 15:50 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Cool, I'll be at work from about 08:45 | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: any chance I get credentials on the webserver or those are confidential? | 15:51 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Depends what you want to do ;-) | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I don't mind paying for them, seeing you're renting bits of the server out :P | 15:51 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Account is fine | 15:51 |
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| wazd | http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/theming-for-dummies/ what the fuck is that I wonder | 16:02 |
| aquatix | lol | 16:03 |
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| MohammadAG | developer/loser LOL | 16:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: the fuck. | 16:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: what fuck exactly? :D | 16:05 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Another resourceful character who recently discovered copypasting | 16:06 |
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| Tronx | hello! | 16:06 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Namely, some Simon Challis from Laindon, UK | 16:07 |
| lcuk | wow wazd, you became an author! | 16:07 |
| Tronx | how can force a terminal to open in a script ? | 16:07 |
| RST38h | wazd: Unfortunately, the database does not reveal his mommy's phone, so you will not be able to call her | 16:07 |
| RST38h | Tronx: -e | 16:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: damn :( | 16:07 |
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| RST38h | wazd: But you can call the sucker himself, it is (089) 850-5050 (UK number) | 16:08 |
| Tronx | RST38h : what does that mean? -e ? | 16:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: Or, if you like paper trails, damatrix@2ya.co.uk | 16:08 |
| RST38h | Tronx: If you have to ask, you do not need to know. | 16:08 |
| Tronx | part of what tool/command is that? | 16:08 |
| Tronx | RST38h : you are expecting me to go "-e" ? | 16:10 |
| Tronx | google* | 16:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: the guy appears to be some kind of a spammer advertising poket sites | 16:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: http://www.damatrix.co.uk/ | 16:11 |
| wazd | RST38h: you've quit Intel and now working in CIA? :D | 16:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: My guess is that he generates fake "news sites" to generate hits to the above site | 16:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: google for definitions of "intel" =) | 16:11 |
| wazd | yeayea ;) | 16:12 |
| ifreq | the sites mentioned just copy stuff from original sites (sometimes on the fly) and try to attract ppl to visith them to get more hits | 16:12 |
| ifreq | more hits = more money | 16:12 |
| ifreq | its pain, like spamming and seems to continuoysly growing too | 16:13 |
| ifreq | i call them empty vessel sites | 16:13 |
| ifreq | :-P | 16:13 |
| RST38h | You can probably sent slimy little Simon's provider a DMCA request | 16:13 |
| RST38h | That would be cool | 16:13 |
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| ifreq | you can try yeah. | 16:13 |
| * RST38h will got stock up on food, before he has to resort to eating the parrot. | 16:13 | |
| RST38h | s/got/go/ | 16:14 |
| Tronx | RST38h :gnome-terminal -e ? hows that going to work on maemo ? | 16:15 |
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| lcuk | wazd, how did you find you had written a book? | 16:21 |
| wazd | lcuk: received $20k with a note :D | 16:22 |
| lcuk | thats nice then! lol | 16:22 |
| Tronx | guys, how do i start a new terminal from a script on this n900 ? | 16:24 |
| Tronx | the -e crap of RST38h doesnt seem to work :P | 16:24 |
| lcuk | "sh -e" appears to start a new session, but not sure beyond that, RST38h usually has incredible knowledge.. | 16:25 |
| Tronx | damn you RST38h , couldnt you have just said sh -e ? | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | rootfs 232868 172656 55928 76% / :D | 16:26 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, cool | 16:27 |
| lcuk | are you brave enough to try a prototype optification thing to save moar space? | 16:28 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, I'm brave enough to do anything on linux :p | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | carefully optified some files/folders in /usr and in /usr/share | 16:29 |
| simoneb_ | is there a standard way to optify packages? | 16:29 |
| ifreq | braveness and stupidity are best friends ive heard | 16:29 |
| frals | reflashing doesnt blow out your /opt right? | 16:29 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, cool, then have a read of this and see if it suits http://gitorious.org/+maemo-af-developers/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | ifreq, you've heard wrong :p | 16:30 |
| lcuk | frals, no it doesnt but im guessing at some point that will change | 16:30 |
| * lcuk asks ifreq to hold his beer | 16:30 | |
| lcuk | watch this! | 16:31 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:31 |
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| * ifreq drinks lcuks beer happily.. was it .. hold or drink this he wonders. | 16:31 | |
| * MohammadAG makes a backup, just in case :) | 16:32 | |
| lcuk | heh | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: nice comment in chip+pin /. article | 16:32 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, it takes the list of folders here: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-boottime.conf | 16:32 |
| lcuk | and optifies them wholesale | 16:32 |
| lcuk | it doesnt actually run on boot yet, its a test, ive run it on my machine and gotten very good results | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: lol, which comment? I've put 2 or 3 in those | 16:33 |
| lcuk | but it needs full confirmation | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | um, cost to upgrade the us market | 16:33 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, I already have those optified | 16:35 |
| lcuk | most people dont | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | true | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | i'll run the script though | 16:36 |
| Shapeshifter | This is really awesome... streaming internet radio, right to the car stereo using the fm transmitter, and everything actually works | 16:36 |
| pupnik | yep | 16:37 |
| cehteh | damn .. i played with polipo yesterday, uninstalled/purged it now and after a reboot networking is still broken | 16:38 |
| pupnik | except the signal to noise from the 50nw signal | 16:38 |
| cehteh | rss and maep doesnt seem to get connection to the net | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, if you can expand the list (theres many more, but scipt would need adjusting) then it would be cool | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, how did you optify them yourself, just manually? | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | mv & ln -s | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | so yeah, manually | 16:39 |
| lcuk | cool, this script checks if the specified folder is already a link elsewhere | 16:40 |
| lcuk | it tries not to make the recursive thing | 16:40 |
| Shapeshifter | So there are quite a few alternative boot screens for the n900, but how about text boot? Can't find a guide how to disable a splash. | 16:40 |
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| ifreq | just comment the video # ? | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: ah, yes | 16:41 |
| ifreq | hmm ah text boot | 16:41 |
| lcuk | i keep wanting to put entire star wars trilogy as bootvideo | 16:41 |
| lcuk | really up the epic stakes lol | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: you can delete the video entry | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | but the thing is that there's no text console in the kernel | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | so you can't out of the box do what you're thinking of | 16:42 |
| Shapeshifter | ah | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | you need a replacement kernel | 16:42 |
| Shapeshifter | meh. | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | there's one of those for this purpose too | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but imo it's generally a waste of time | 16:42 |
| Shapeshifter | yep | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm quite happy w/ my maemo.org splash package | 16:42 |
| lcuk | if you didnt use a replacement kernel, could you use the very early entrypoint Stskeeps put in ,ad ndo an insmod for the text stuff | 16:42 |
| lcuk | ? | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | you're welcome to install it | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: dunno | 16:43 |
| * lcuk thinks that tiny boottime patch is extremely cool | 16:43 | |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, fatal: index-pack failed | 16:44 |
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| lcuk | you broke git? | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | lol just installed it | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | git: 'index-pack' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'. | 16:45 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, http://pastebin.com/d7e58cbca | 16:46 |
| Tronx | lcuk : any idea how to start a new terminal in a new window ? | 16:49 |
| Tronx | nothing seems to work today :( | 16:49 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, http://pastebin.com/m4b32f648 | 16:49 |
| Tronx | lcuk : im starting the script using some command execute widget sh -e doesnt open a new terminal | 16:50 |
| lcuk | Tronx, im not sure, but i think at some point, pygtkeditor used to do it when you clicked run | 16:50 |
| lcuk | Tronx, but opening console windows isnt something that happens often | 16:50 |
| * lcuk just runs things direct | 16:51 | |
| Tronx | like opening terminal every time you want to run a script ? | 16:51 |
| Tronx | that just takes too much time | 16:52 |
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| lcuk | Tronx, what are you trying to do, make icons to run your common scripts, or from somewhere within your app, when you click an action it opens a new console to perform action? | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, did you run it on the device? | 16:55 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, i did git from my scratchbox, hold on | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | it might behave different from the sdk | 16:55 |
| Tronx | lcuk : from within a script i want to open another terminal and run a command because the command execute widget cant handle the long output of the command | 16:57 |
| Tronx | lcuk : and is it possible to make icons to run my scripts ? | 16:57 |
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| Tronx | im guessing then it would be possible to create shortcuts for them on the desktop | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | .desktop files | 16:58 |
| * MohammadAG wants to break his creaking qwerty assy into pieces | 16:58 | |
| Jaffa | For an example of a script which opens a terminal and runs something, have a look at /usr/bin/vim.launch in the vim package | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: you don't happen to know anything about legality of http://code.google.com/p/n900-extra-translations/source/browse/#svn/trunk/po/en_US/LC_MESSAGES%3Fstate%3Dclosed ? i'm kinda wondering where they got the original nokia strings from :P | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | (not your en_US strings) | 16:59 |
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| Arif | I found near optimal settings for streaming my TV card to the N900 \o/ | 16:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so we got approval to open the strings last week or so | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | at least that's when i got notice | 17:00 |
| Tronx | MohammadAG : what are those ? where are those? | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: oh, cool | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | however that team got an internal leak | 17:00 |
| Tronx | its not allowing me to add icons to the desktop after a restart | 17:00 |
| Tronx | and what the application that handles the desktop menu ? | 17:00 |
| Arif | it's kinda sad that the N95 8GB plays it better than the N900 though :( | 17:00 |
| Tronx | and everything on the desktop disappered | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | but those don't look like they're the originals | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | they don't seem to have the comments | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: ah, so i wouldn't touch them before there's a released thing | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | they look like msgunfmt | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | those are msgunfmt outputs | 17:01 |
| Arif | anyone know if MPlayer could support hardware acceleration in the future? | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | Tronx, all menu icons are .desktop files, they're in /usr/share/applications/hildon/noor.desktop | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: you can recognize our versions, they have spelling errors and other things in # lines | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 17:01 |
| lcuk | Arif, mplayer will support playing movies from the dishwasher soon | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/share/applications/hildon/* | 17:01 |
| Tronx | MohammadAG : the process that handles those -- what is it called ? | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | sorry, used noor.desktop as an example cause i copied it there | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | hildon-desktop afaik | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: The n900 isn't waterproof. Put it in a baggie before playing movies in the dishwasher. | 17:02 |
| Tronx | its not letting me add icons even after a reboot | 17:02 |
| Tronx | :( | 17:02 |
| Tronx | ok | 17:02 |
| Arif | lcuk, the dishwasher doesn't have loonix! | 17:02 |
| * Tronx goes to kill it | 17:02 | |
| MohammadAG | Tronx, killall | 17:02 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i meant the dishwaher itself would become a coprocessor | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:02 |
| Tronx | lol | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: what they did is what any translator would do | 17:02 |
| Arif | heh | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | Tronx, though it should update them automatically when a file is copied in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | what i've been told is that it wouldn't fly in .eu | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: You mean you don't have a sudswoofer hooked up to your system? | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | because .eu has incredibly stupid laws | 17:03 |
| lcuk | arif, plenty of people have made mplayer do amazing things | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: reverse engineer? :P | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | your legistlators are much worse than the .us equivalents | 17:03 |
| Arif | lcuk, too bad I don't know how :p | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: yeah | 17:03 |
| lcuk | so the answer to your question is, most likely | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i'm told there's something called a 'database law' | 17:03 |
| Arif | good! | 17:03 |
| Arif | I'll just wait then | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: ah, yes, that one | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | and it sounds like it roughly speaking protects everything forever | 17:03 |
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| Arif | or someone should make the media player support streaming TS muxed streams | 17:04 |
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| Arif | <3 | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: database right. It is basically 'copyright for databases'. | 17:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: that's not a useful description | 17:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it's basically 'we own everything forever' | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | how do | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: either way, if there's indications to relicense strings, that'll be good :) | 17:04 |
| timeless_mbp | 'as long as we change one cell in it every 20 years' | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | in a .sh file, how do i check if a process is running or not? | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: yes, that is a problem. | 17:05 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: just a tiny problem? | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: it will probably alone bring maemo's OSS percentage up 10 or so :P | 17:05 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: pidof? | 17:05 |
| * SpeedEvil is in the middle of writing a 10 page submission to government on the problem. | 17:05 | |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/corporate/ordnancesurveyconsultation | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Give us our maps! - plz. | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | (anyone in the UK - please submit) | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | The current situation is a nonsense - you can't legally publish plans of your house for example - as the house plots are derived from Ordnance survey data. | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a map of rights of way | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a list of public toilets. | 17:07 |
| lcuk | heh, there was a bbc reporter stood outside toilets a couple of weeks ago | 17:08 |
| lcuk | he looked rly shifty on his report | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Looking for a bit of George Michael? | 17:08 |
| Tronx | MohammadAG : so if i just create one of those .desktop file -- an icon should show up on the desktop ? | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | well no, you have to add it using the gears icon | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | it should show up in the menu though | 17:09 |
| Arnoud | is there any application available that does get you to your desktop with one keypress? i find it cumbersome that i have to press 2 times to get to the desktop like in shortcutd or camkeyd. | 17:09 |
| Tronx | great | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | Arnoud, hold the dashboard button | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | though it's not a fast way and I find 2 clicks faster | 17:11 |
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| Arnoud | me too but i woul like to have a physical button because, i'm not sure if ppl here have the same thing, but when i want an application fast i still go to the menu even though i have it on my desktop | 17:13 |
| Arif | hmm | 17:13 |
| Arif | I found a radio stream that barely plays on the N900 | 17:15 |
| Arif | :D | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Arnoud: what you really want is for the button to popup the app launcher? | 17:15 |
| Arif | I guess it doesn't like WMA streams... | 17:15 |
| Arnoud | SpeedEvil: no just the desktop | 17:15 |
| Arnoud | just like a WINKEY-D in windows or if you have set it in kde | 17:16 |
| Tronx | MohammadAG : how about the icons :D ? | 17:16 |
| Tronx | im seeing stuff like icon=xchat | 17:17 |
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| Tronx | can i set it to some png file located somewhere? | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 17:17 |
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| sandman | SpeedEvil: That sound like UK law. Have never heard of it <-- Swede | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/share/pixmaps | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | sandman: database right? not uk - eu | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | Tronx, the icons are located there | 17:19 |
| Tronx | yes thx | 17:19 |
| Tronx | one last thing! | 17:19 |
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| Tronx | how the hell do i copy/paste in terminal | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Tronx: select | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Tronx: then from the top menu - copy | 17:19 |
| sandman | SPeedEvil: Need to look it up.. never heard of it. lol | 17:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | is there some way to make ash save its history when closed by clicking the X instead of typing exit? | 17:22 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. well I guess I could set it to always save the history after every command execution | 17:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there an ash manual anywhere? | 17:23 |
| Shapeshifter | man ash? | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | And anyone suggesting UTSL will be hit over the head with a large plank of fossilised wood. | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean the busybox shell | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | which isn't strictly ash | 17:24 |
| Shapeshifter | (its on the net). But I was guessing that the X of the hildon interface somewhat "kills" the term instead of sending sigterm | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if trap may be of use | 17:25 |
| AstralStorm | busybox shell is msh with options disabled | 17:25 |
| AstralStorm | at least, it was in maemo 4 | 17:25 |
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| MohammadAG | err | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | sh: ./script.sh: Permission denied | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | already chmod'd the file | 17:27 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: the partition is mounted noexec ? | 17:27 |
| AstralStorm | ;> | 17:28 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: you can run it with "sh script.sh" | 17:28 |
| AstralStorm | yeah, that mount system in maemo is horrid | 17:28 |
| sandman | SpeedEvil: Ahh.. now i know what you mean. Here it's calld FRA. Yeah, that is true. But i did not know it was like that. And everyone are braking it anyway. Using VPN's and stuff. | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | mydocs, figures | 17:28 |
| AstralStorm | noexec is a pointless option anyway due to above | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | thanks valdyn | 17:28 |
| AstralStorm | and even normal executables (non-static) can be started | 17:28 |
| AstralStorm | with /lib/ld-linux.so or equivalent | 17:28 |
| valdyn | AstralStorm: as root | 17:29 |
| AstralStorm | no, as user too | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | paroneayea: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html btw | 17:29 |
| AstralStorm | oh btw | 17:29 |
| AstralStorm | I've a question: does anyone here have a build of lilyterm for maemo4 and/or mer? | 17:30 |
| AstralStorm | (one of the best small terminals, better than that osso-xterm crud, with exception of the buttons for touchscreen use) | 17:30 |
| * lcuk waves @ AstralStorm | 17:31 | |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | can you possibly highlight that the TPO crud is third party crud | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | at least the -installer ones | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | what's the dbus for the yellow bar that pops down then disappears | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | couldn't find it in the wiki | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | like the Bluetooth set on one | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i just use raw material but the idea is that it is what a PR1.1 image is made up of :P | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: and also, you need to do something about framework/mmf-libraries there's a 10% w/ a white background | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | that row should have some gradient for the green to highlight it isn't pure | 17:36 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"testing notification" | 17:36 |
| lcuk | try that | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | right, - i'll fix some of the ugly CSS in next version | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: and for 51-1 you should dock everyone for using unpublished l10n files :) | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, thanks! | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | just so .next looks better | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: look at Localisation/l10n | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, already closed :) | 17:37 |
| norayr | people, why gcc presents in repository at | 17:37 |
| norayr | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/g/gcc-3.4/ | 17:37 |
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| norayr | but it is not installable with apt? | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: either way, there's a large list of packages that are :P | 17:38 |
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| norayr | during apt-get update | 17:38 |
| norayr | this repository is ignored: | 17:38 |
| norayr | Ign http://repository.maemo.org maemo4.1.2 Release.gpg | 17:39 |
| norayr | Ign http://repository.maemo.org maemo4.1.2/free Translation-en_US | 17:39 |
| norayr | Ign http://repository.maemo.org maemo4.1.2/non-free Translation-en_US | 17:39 |
| norayr | of course, i can install gcc by downloading packages manually | 17:39 |
| valdyn | norayr: none of these 3 lines is indicating that the repo is being ignored | 17:39 |
| norayr | and resolving deps myself | 17:39 |
| crashanddie | norayr: please don't flood the channel | 17:39 |
| norayr | sorry | 17:39 |
| norayr | These lines is a fragment of output of apt-get update | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | valdyn: Ign? | 17:40 |
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| norayr | And i guess "Ign" stands for ignored | 17:40 |
| norayr | because it could also be "Hit" | 17:41 |
| crashanddie | norayr: you guess correctly | 17:41 |
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| crashanddie | ign usually means that the contents/repository have been superseded | 17:41 |
| valdyn | norayr: the Packages file is all that matters | 17:41 |
| crashanddie | so apt-get doesn't bother with checking the contents | 17:41 |
| AstralStorm | actually, maemo 4 seems to be dead | 17:41 |
| norayr | it may be because actual maemo4.1.2 repo is diablo | 17:41 |
| norayr | or diablo is a symlink which points to maemo4.1.2 | 17:41 |
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| norayr | I can see necessary files by browsing repository folders via http | 17:42 |
| norayr | i am able to download them | 17:42 |
| norayr | and install with dpkg -i | 17:42 |
| norayr | what i wonder is why i cannot get it work with apt-get? | 17:43 |
| valdyn | norayr: use apt-cache policy, show us the whole output, your fragments just make it unnecessarily hard | 17:43 |
| norayr | ok, i'll do it right now, thanks | 17:44 |
| norayr | may be this link will be helpful: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/g/gcc-3.4/ | 17:44 |
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| AstralStorm | oh, that's repository.maemo.org repo diablo/free | 17:44 |
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| valdyn | norayr: thats just the pool. Not really useful unless you have apt-get failing to find a file | 17:45 |
| norayr | http://pastebin.org/91594 | 17:47 |
| norayr | this is the output of apt-cache policy | 17:47 |
| norayr | and i have added repository maemo4.1.2 to the sources.list | 17:47 |
| norayr | it gets scanned during apt-get update (and successfully ignored) | 17:48 |
| norayr | :) | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | OK, I'm out for the night, almost 2Am | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | take care people | 17:48 |
| norayr | good night | 17:48 |
| norayr | :) | 17:48 |
| norayr | valdyn: yes, i have added the entire repository to the sources.list | 17:49 |
| norayr | buuut, gcc toolchain is still not installable | 17:49 |
| norayr | i meant to show that it exists in the pool | 17:49 |
| valdyn | norayr: what "entire repository" ? | 17:49 |
| valdyn | norayr: somehow its not a repository at all? | 17:49 |
| norayr | which contains the pool you mentioned | 17:49 |
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| norayr | it is a repository. | 17:50 |
| valdyn | norayr: the pool is only .deb files, its not the repository | 17:50 |
| norayr | there is a package index | 17:50 |
| norayr | just it gets ignored | 17:50 |
| norayr | i guess because i already have another line | 17:50 |
| valdyn | norayr: but this is not useful anyway, i already asked what info i need | 17:50 |
| norayr | with "diablo" instead of "maemo4.1.2" in sources.list | 17:50 |
| norayr | this is what you have asked for | 17:51 |
| norayr | http://pastebin.org/91594 | 17:51 |
| norayr | i already pasted it before :) | 17:51 |
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| valdyn | norayr: i dont see your repo there | 17:52 |
| valdyn | norayr: "apt-get update" | 17:52 |
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| valdyn | norayr: paste paste output of that command, paste sources.list | 17:52 |
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| norayr | minute | 17:53 |
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| norayr | this is it | 17:54 |
| norayr | http://pastebin.org/91600 | 17:54 |
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| norayr | last line in sources.list is added by me manually | 17:55 |
| valdyn | norayr: Err http://repository.maemo.org maemo4.1.2/free Packages | 17:55 |
| norayr | yes | 17:55 |
| valdyn | norayr: theres no Packages file | 17:55 |
| norayr | so, repo is not generated with dpkg-scanpackages | 17:55 |
| norayr | i guess | 17:55 |
| valdyn | norayr: so this is not a proper repo. | 17:55 |
| valdyn | norayr: its not a repo. | 17:56 |
| norayr | and i have two choices: | 17:56 |
| norayr | 1) download whole pool and create a local repo by running dpkg-scanpackages myself, or | 17:56 |
| norayr | 2) just download files manually | 17:56 |
| norayr | thank you | 17:56 |
| valdyn | norayr: there could be a proper repo, i wouldnt know | 17:57 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway, i'm off. take care bru | 17:57 |
| norayr | ok, then ... | 17:57 |
| crashanddie_ | shite, wrong channel | 17:58 |
| norayr | i guess, this http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gcc-3.4/ is a part of proper repo | 17:58 |
| norayr | which is added in my sources.list by hildon application manager | 17:58 |
| norayr | and i guess i was installing some packages from there | 17:58 |
| valdyn | norayr: a "repo" is a Packages file at a certain place, youre talking about deb files, thats not to be idientified whith what apt-get considers a repository | 17:59 |
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| norayr | i know... | 17:59 |
| norayr | i will test whether it is a repo or not right now | 18:00 |
| norayr | by commenting out all other lines in sources.list | 18:00 |
| valdyn | norayr: the pool may contain any number of files not being referenced by any Packages file | 18:00 |
| lcuk | gcc is available in the maemo tools and/or the maemo sdk repositories | 18:00 |
| lcuk | easiest if you have space is just add those repos and | 18:00 |
| lcuk | apt get install build-essential | 18:01 |
| * wazd_ 's cooking pancakes | 18:01 | |
| lcuk | mmmm wazd | 18:01 |
| norayr | it works! | 18:01 |
| norayr | it is a repo | 18:01 |
| norayr | let me show: | 18:01 |
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| norayr | http://pastebin.org/91601 | 18:02 |
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| norayr | valdyn: ok | 18:02 |
| norayr | lcuk: thank you | 18:02 |
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| norayr | lcuk: do you have any idea how that sources.list lines look like | 18:03 |
| norayr | i swear i was searching for such a repo whole day | 18:03 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk free non-free | 18:03 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free | 18:03 |
| wazd_ | Some bastard have stolen my blender blades :( | 18:03 |
| valdyn | norayr: you have only activated the extras, i dont see that being your intention earlier, that always worked | 18:04 |
| lcuk | norayr, watch your available space on device tho | 18:04 |
| norayr | valdyn: didn't catche the sense of your words. i have commented other lines in order to prove that repo working. though you suggested an idea that not all the packages in that repo is scanned and available in the package index | 18:05 |
| lcuk | build -essential ages ago used to need this: | 18:05 |
| lcuk | Need to get 24.7MB of archives. | 18:05 |
| lcuk | After this operation, 73.2MB of additional disk space will be used. | 18:05 |
| lcuk | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y | 18:05 |
| norayr | lcuk: yep. does that repos ok for diablo? | 18:05 |
| lcuk | no, afaik you can just alter the fremantle bit to say diablo with same effect | 18:06 |
| lcuk | i used to compile often on the n810 | 18:06 |
| norayr | lcuk: besides, what if i mount /usr from a different disk. like mount -o bind /media/mmc2/usr /usr | 18:06 |
| lcuk | the only things i couldnt get working happily were autotools (for ./configure scripts) and dpkg_buildpackage, but all my ode ran with make files and worked happily | 18:06 |
| norayr | lcuk: no... i meant if i mount it from fstab | 18:07 |
| lcuk | norayr, dontask me about space and binding i havent the foggiest | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | lol http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7008/vpitoy.jpg | 18:07 |
| lcuk | i used to just start from a clean diablo and put the stuff i needed | 18:07 |
| jophish | hurrah! bash and gnu for user and root | 18:08 |
| norayr | ok, i was wondering whether maemo will boot with a /usr on a separate partition | 18:08 |
| norayr | i will try | 18:08 |
| lcuk | norayr, boot from sd | 18:08 |
| lcuk | is the common way people get extra space | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | and it also means they have a normal baseline bootable working maemo if your SD card goes titsup | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | lol MohammadAG | 18:09 |
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| norayr | lcuk: Perfect, i am installing gcc currently | 18:11 |
| norayr | thank you very much | 18:11 |
| lcuk | more than welcome, good luck | 18:11 |
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| norayr | :) | 18:14 |
| norayr | lcuk: booting from SD have to be implemented as described here? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=19639 | 18:19 |
| norayr | oh, not for use on 43-7 or above... | 18:21 |
| lcuk | norayr, http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card outlines the steps a little cleaner i think, but its still something to only undertake if you are comfortable | 18:23 |
| lcuk | i never really managed it cos i was happy in default diabloe and managed to have enough space for what i needed | 18:23 |
| lcuk | tho i did store my code on an ext formatted sd card | 18:24 |
| lcuk | so it had execute bits | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | (-11h, mdbus) I just learnt there's mdbus2 in extras-devel | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | What do you hope it will do for you? | 18:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Does it automatically order the perfect cheeseburger? | 18:25 |
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| norayr | lcuk: thank you | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: me?? | 18:26 |
| * SpeedEvil was wondering what mdbus2 did. | 18:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: use dbus introspection to do even tab completion for pathnames in interactive mode | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting. | 18:28 |
| lbt | you know... having a diskless frontend shutdown halfway through a dist-upgrade is a PITA... especially when it's upgrading portmap at the time... | 18:29 |
| lcuk | wow lbt that sux | 18:29 |
| * lbt looks daggers at mrs lbt... | 18:30 | |
| lcuk | o_O | 18:30 |
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| * lbt looks for a "do not turn this machine off" screensaver | 18:30 | |
| lcuk | me n tracy had a fun time getting to cinema last niht | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: chroot the frontend? | 18:30 |
| lcuk | night | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:30 |
| lcuk | postit note | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | (diskless usually means there's a rootfs somewhere) | 18:31 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: am getting there... but then it starts trying to run portmap on the nfs server.... | 18:31 |
| lbt | eek | 18:31 |
| lbt | chrooted portmap | 18:31 |
| * lbt sobs | 18:31 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ah, use the tricks we use in mer for temporarily disabling invoke-rc.d and such | 18:31 |
| lbt | tbh I'm mostly there now | 18:31 |
| lbt | which is why I'm in irc.... | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:32 |
| lbt | stress relief :D | 18:32 |
| * SpeedEvil relieves lbts stress. | 18:32 | |
| lbt | ah yes, the old debianutils/passwd conflict.... | 18:32 |
| * lbt edges away from SpeedEvil.... | 18:32 | |
| * SpeedEvil puts down the oxy-acetylene torch and waits for lbt to cool from a dull red. | 18:32 | |
| lbt | <pssst> ouch | 18:33 |
| lbt | no, I still burn | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It's OK - annealing is a well-mnown method of stress reduction. | 18:33 |
| lbt | <grin> does that mean I need a cold shower? | 18:33 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 18:41 |
| jophish | Howdy Khertan | 18:42 |
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| Khertan | i ve tryed to play a bit with gstreamer to do a live voice modification | 18:43 |
| Khertan | but the | 18:43 |
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| Khertan | problem is that the mic is too near to the speaker | 18:43 |
| Khertan | so i got a nice high sound | 18:44 |
| Khertan | larsen effect | 18:44 |
| lcuk | because ytou are playing back what you are recording | 18:44 |
| Khertan | is there a way to avoid that ? | 18:44 |
| Khertan | an idea ? | 18:44 |
| Khertan | yep clearly lcuk | 18:44 |
| Khertan | i know that it can be done as there is an application for that on iphone | 18:45 |
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| lcuk | you could see if you could use the mic on the headphones whilst still outputingfrom the speakers? | 18:45 |
| lcuk | how much delay does iphone have | 18:45 |
| lcuk | cos you could buffer until silence then playback the words | 18:45 |
| lcuk | "hello khertan" "HELLO KHERTAN" | 18:46 |
| Khertan | i didnt notice any delay | 18:46 |
| Khertan | ? | 18:46 |
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| Khertan | it s live but the iphone didn t have stereo speaker | 18:46 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:46 |
| lcuk | Khertan, im not sure if the default gstreamer input gives you just the sound from the total soundboard | 18:47 |
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| lcuk | or if it just gives you the mic in | 18:47 |
| Khertan | ah ... maybe that | 18:47 |
| lcuk | your feedback might be coming from another source than the speaker itself and hence why its more noticable | 18:47 |
| Khertan | because yep i use pulsesrc so not only the mic | 18:47 |
| Khertan | seems to be the reason | 18:48 |
| Khertan | thx for the advice | 18:48 |
| lcuk | np, hows everything comin for you | 18:48 |
| Khertan | now i need to see if can i catch mic only | 18:48 |
| lcuk | yeah i know its possible | 18:48 |
| lcuk | ive got a test thing here which does it | 18:49 |
| Khertan | a bit tired ... but everything is ok | 18:49 |
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| lcuk | i saw you on tv a little while ago (well youtube of tv) | 18:49 |
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| Khertan | ouch my god i was so bad on this cast | 18:50 |
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| Khertan | (too much wine) | 18:51 |
| Khertan | shame on me | 18:51 |
| lcuk | :D | 18:51 |
| lcuk | there is no such thing as too much wine | 18:51 |
| Khertan | there is when there is camera | 18:51 |
| * lcuk nods | 18:52 | |
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| Khertan | hum ... can i got mic only with gst ? | 18:55 |
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| Khertan | i didn t found how to specify it in pulsesrc | 18:55 |
| wazd_ | Berp, can somebody shoot me please?) I've eaten too much pancakes :( | 18:57 |
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| matthew- | hmm, any1 using the google buzz ? | 19:04 |
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| pupnik | no | 19:06 |
| pupnik | no-one | 19:06 |
| jophish | matthew-, Just another thing for me to keep track of. Plus I don't have any friends | 19:06 |
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| Khertan | bof a bit useless | 19:07 |
| Khertan | gst-launch pulsesrc device='source.hw0' ! audioecho ! tee ! queue ! pulsesink | 19:07 |
| Khertan | YouHOU ! | 19:07 |
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| fnordian900 | on my n900, thesavin browser seems to be unresponsive, despite being restarted. | 19:08 |
| fnordian900 | oops | 19:08 |
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| fnordian900 | is there a way to restart browserd with upstart or should i just kill it? | 19:09 |
| pupnik | how to i get terminal out of fullscreen? | 19:09 |
| pupnik | i need to paste into terminal | 19:10 |
| fnordian900 | hit the fullscreen button again? | 19:10 |
| pupnik | there is no fullscreen button. i got rid of it | 19:10 |
| fnordian900 | lol | 19:10 |
| pupnik | really just need to paste | 19:10 |
| valdyn | pupnik: ctrl-backspace or somesuch | 19:11 |
| valdyn | pupnik: to minimize the terminal | 19:11 |
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| pupnik | how do i paste then? | 19:11 |
| valdyn | pupnik: ctrl-c copy, ctrl-v paste | 19:11 |
| pupnik | not in term | 19:11 |
| pupnik | :) | 19:12 |
| valdyn | hmm | 19:12 |
| pupnik | is funny | 19:12 |
| valdyn | pupnik: you can go via saving the paste contents in a file | 19:12 |
| jophish | ctrl-shift-c | 19:12 |
| jophish | perhaps | 19:12 |
| fnordian900 | save it in a file and pipe it in | 19:13 |
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| pupnik | yeah i could use /exec cat tmpfile in irssi | 19:16 |
| jacekowski | is anybody using jabber with n900? | 19:17 |
| jacekowski | i have some issues with it | 19:17 |
| Shapeshifter | does someone know if there's a "contacts" widget for the desktop which displays all contacts currently online in an IM app? | 19:17 |
| jacekowski | and i'm not sure if it's server problem or n900 problem | 19:17 |
| jacekowski | basicaly jabber works fine | 19:18 |
| jacekowski | and then it stops working ( i'm still online on n900 ) and i get all messages after some delay | 19:18 |
| jacekowski | but nobody can call me on jabber | 19:18 |
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| matthew- | is there a way of blocking numbers ? | 19:27 |
| matthew- | incoming ? | 19:28 |
| tank-man | isnt that a feature from the phone company side? | 19:29 |
| nid0 | some phones provide the ability to do so as well | 19:29 |
| nid0 | the n900 isnt one of them, no nokias do afaik | 19:29 |
| matthew- | Ah ok nid0 | 19:30 |
| matthew- | tank-man: maybe, ill send them an email. | 19:30 |
| jophish | matthew-, They will probably just block it | 19:31 |
| tank-man | if (incomming call == blacklisted #) ignore, theres the psuedo code :) | 19:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | is openarena optified? | 19:32 |
| valdyn | Shapeshifter: would it be possible to install it otherwise? | 19:32 |
| Shapeshifter | valdyn: ^^ right. | 19:33 |
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| valdyn | jacekowski: try on a different network connection? | 19:34 |
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| jacekowski | valdyn: it works fine for most of time | 19:38 |
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| jacekowski | valdyn: and PSI on same connection works fine | 19:38 |
| jacekowski | so it's something between ejabberd and n900 | 19:39 |
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| valdyn | jacekowski: not necessarily | 19:39 |
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| jacekowski | because i can make a call | 19:41 |
| jacekowski | both ways | 19:41 |
| jacekowski | then i leave n900 for a while | 19:41 |
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| valdyn | jacekowski: you dont know if some router is respecting keepalive timeout as it should | 19:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | ask mr tcpdump | 19:43 |
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| jacekowski | what's strange | 19:43 |
| jacekowski | that when it's in that state | 19:44 |
| valdyn | jacekowski: while the n900 cannot send to many keepalive packets since that would just drain battery significantly for no benefit for most people | 19:44 |
| jacekowski | i can send messages from n900 to world | 19:44 |
| jacekowski | but i can't recieve any | 19:44 |
| valdyn | jacekowski: use a different internet access point of any kind | 19:44 |
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| jacekowski | maybe you are right | 19:55 |
| jacekowski | it looks like my home wifi was a problem | 19:55 |
| jacekowski | it works fine over 3g | 19:55 |
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| valdyn | jacekowski: thats quite typical | 19:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. openarena really hogs the keyboard | 20:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | now I can play OA in the multitasking overview | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 20:08 |
| Shapeshifter | so I've seen this question time and time again, now I am asking it: how do I close open arena? xD | 20:08 |
| Shapeshifter | btw that aimbot is cute | 20:09 |
| Shapeshifter | oh I found away | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | evening zerojayN900 | 20:11 |
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| * ioeee saluda o/ | 20:11 | |
| zerojayN900 | hey there. | 20:12 |
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| zerojayN900 | good work on 3d for Mer, btw. | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | ta - it feels really fast :P | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | now to wonder wtf to use it for.. | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:14 |
| zerojayN900 | lol | 20:15 |
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| zerojayN900 | any py2deb gurus around? | 20:23 |
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| MohammadAG | matchers.cc:4293: warning: 'aptitude::matching::pkg_const_matcher' has a field 'aptitude::matching::pkg_const_matcher::<anonymous>' whose type uses the anonymous namespace | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | any idea what this means? | 20:35 |
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| tybollt | la=? | 20:43 |
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| user_ | apparently xchat is not completely hildonized... | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | hey | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | where's modest's bug tracker? | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | do they use bugs.maemo? | 20:48 |
| user_ | yes | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ doesn't mention it :( | 20:48 |
| user_ | yeah, but maemo bugzilla is the only public place to report bugs so... | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | user_: no, it's not | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | user_: It lacks nice scrolling in the textbox. | 20:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | And does not properly support networks that have login requirements. It should - if it sees 'Type /quote pass...' - pop up a nice scrolly widget to select the number between 0 and 100000 | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure it might take half an hour to login - but it's scrolly! | 20:54 |
| ShadowJK | It doesn't? | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | I thought /server hostname port password | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | worked | 20:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | nvm | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I was meaning stuff like undernet - you get a message saying '/quote pass foo' to login | 20:56 |
| user_ | well, at least shift+arrow scrolls properly | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | what does it do? | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I've been altering the default keymaps - I've got it to do pgup/down | 20:57 |
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| ShadowJK | hildonizing xchat would probably be painful anyway | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK | it doesn't use normal gtk widget for the text | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK | because there are no ready widgets that can do it | 20:58 |
| user_ | yeah, better use another codebase | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I also wish xchat knew about blue as a meta | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK | xchat works fine for me anyway though | 20:59 |
| lcuk | Shadikka, xchat was already started by RST38h | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It shows up if you press it - inthe key binding page - but not as a meta | 20:59 |
| Shadikka | This is almost getting bothersome. ;) | 20:59 |
| Shadikka | (j/k) | 20:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd like to bind blue-left/right to home/end forex | 21:00 |
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| ShadowJK | I discoverd the blue key isn't sticky in ovi maps | 21:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | It isn't sticky for me when attempting to get the symbol page in xchat | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | increase the hot area for the scrollbar's arrows | 21:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | that would work | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas blue-r/l is up/down here :-((( | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | what a shit | 21:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I like the english layout. | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going to try to boot up maemo's base system (sortof) on virtualbox | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder how badly it burns up | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | well - international -= or whatever it is. | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody managed to get a spare keycaps mat? | 21:04 |
| sheepbat | virtualbox does arm? | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | sheepbat: rebuilt stuff for x86 | 21:04 |
| sheepbat | ahh, okay | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the source I initially pointed to - tessco - are authorised dealers only. But they also appeared to have stocking htem at all | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | no use in ordering 500 of those | 21:05 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: there's a finnish shop that sells them | 21:06 |
| Shapeshifter | to normal people | 21:06 |
| Shapeshifter | I'll try to dig up the url | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | they actually do? | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man the Vancouver HD feed looks like crap. | 21:06 |
| Shapeshifter | N900 QWERTY KEYMAT ENGLISH 265740 http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900 | 21:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | I *think* they sell to normal people | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bwhaha.png | 21:08 |
| Shapeshifter | although that page is utterly horrid | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: thanks. yes it's horrid. That's why I hesitated to give it a try so far | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | (also my poor Finsih skills) | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | About voice dialing, what good open source software is available for something like that? | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | none | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, no wonder Nokia doesn't seem to want to do it. | 21:10 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: something that does xmpp might work. pidgin supports it now | 21:10 |
| Shapeshifter | at least for linux x86 | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | they could port the symbian shit closedsource | 21:10 |
| Shapeshifter | not sure about arm | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, probably easier to rewrite from scratch. | 21:10 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: or do you mean voice dialing over the cellular network? | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've never really been interested in voice control, but I have to admit the iPhone does a very good job of it. | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | N95 is brilliant | 21:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | ahhh, voice *dialing* | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I wish I could get both voice and OCR as good as I had on my PC in 1996 or so. | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | even recognizes my last name though never tought about how it's spoken | 21:11 |
| wazd | RST38h: around? | 21:12 |
| RST38h | yep | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Is there a bugzilla for xchat? | 21:14 |
| RST38h | No | 21:15 |
| RST38h | But you are free to email me a bug report | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: #xchat | 21:15 |
| * SpeedEvil had meant to add something yesterday - but I forgot what it was. | 21:15 | |
| ptl | is there a way to select more than one application to install at the same time in the application manager? | 21:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean the maemo 'port'. | 21:16 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: not that I've seen. Would be handy. | 21:16 |
| SpeedEvil | 'intstall all' | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bada: it's our iPhone OS clone | 21:16 |
| RST38h | (and run the hell away before it blows up) | 21:17 |
| RST38h | General: It is much funnier than that | 21:17 |
| RST38h | General: Bada UI has been lifted from 3-4 different places, both iPhone and Maemo included | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | forget bada | 21:17 |
| RST38h | General: But the programming APIs are modeled after Sybian :) | 21:17 |
| RST38h | Symbian | 21:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yeah, and the whole damn brand was lifted from Mer. :P | 21:18 |
| RST38h | ? | 21:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the whole ocean theme. | 21:18 |
| RST38h | oh | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Korean word for oceon | 21:19 |
| * Stskeeps pats his check from samsung ;p | 21:19 | |
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| RST38h | but that is of course beside the point | 21:19 |
| RST38h | the point is that NOTHING with Symbian-like APIs can be successful | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did Peter have something going at MWC? | 21:20 |
| jacekowski | symbian was successful | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Symbian is riding its inertia from 10 years ago. | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Times have changed now. | 21:20 |
| RST38h | General: Symbian development is just one huge cluster fuck | 21:21 |
| * RST38h has no idea why koreans copied this particular programming model, but suspects they simply have done their research | 21:21 | |
| RST38h | have not (sorry) | 21:21 |
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| derf | People code what they know. | 21:23 |
| derf | After I learned Java, I made Java-like APIs until I got better. | 21:23 |
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| derf | Most people actually writing code are young, so they have shockingly little exposure to other people's code. | 21:24 |
| lcuk | derf, dang | 21:25 |
| RST38h | derf: this is not coding, this is system design | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: (copying) as that's exactly the one thing they are extraordinary - clone things ;-) | 21:26 |
| RST38h | derf: one would expect people designing the system have some experience with multiple different systems and enough common sense to see what they ought and ought not use | 21:26 |
| derf | RST38h: Both you and I know how system design really gets done. | 21:26 |
| zerojay | Are /'s allowed in package Display Names? | 21:27 |
| RST38h | derf: Well, I know that it gets done differently by different people | 21:27 |
| * RST38h has seen both good and bad examples | 21:27 | |
| Jaffa | zerojay: I believe so | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | whoah, my N900 went crazy | 21:27 |
| valdyn | zerojay: why would you use / when it already has its own semantics? | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | the screen is just... going mostly grey | 21:28 |
| zerojay | valdyn: Um... because it's a display name. :) | 21:28 |
| lcuk | zerojay, whenever i see things like that i wonder just why you need them | 21:28 |
| Jaffa | valdyn: Because it's a name? | 21:28 |
| lcuk | cant you cope without | 21:28 |
| derf | RST38h: Assuming there's someone with that kind of experience on the project at all. | 21:28 |
| valdyn | zerojay: package names are also part of the package file | 21:28 |
| zerojay | lcuk: No, people would break down crying in the streets if I didn't. | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, what name? | 21:29 |
| zerojay | valdyn: Congrats, I know that already. | 21:29 |
| Jaffa | valdyn: And / has no semantics in debian/control | 21:29 |
| zerojay | Fucking forget it. | 21:29 |
| mavhc | cheaper to hire 5 groups of cheap people to make 5 clones and wait for one to win out | 21:29 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: It's fine. The 3G/2G/Dual Selection applet uses a couple of /s | 21:29 |
| zerojay | And we saw the bloodbath that apparently caused. | 21:30 |
| zerojay | lol | 21:30 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: filled out, and copied in, a few items | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, looking at it now. | 21:32 |
| RST38h | derf: Well, here we come to the specifics of national design: Koreans do not invent, they copy. | 21:33 |
| RST38h | derf: but, hell, they could have copied more wisely :) | 21:34 |
| jacekowski | is anybody doing anything to run dalvik apps on maemo? | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | jacekowski: there was a guy who got it working on ubuntu but never published it. | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | jacekowski: cos he got ideological scruples, it seems like | 21:38 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Cool, thanks | 21:38 |
| jacekowski | are dalvikvm sources avaliable? | 21:38 |
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| Stskeeps | afaik | 21:39 |
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| * RST38h places a Nexus One on top of N900 and runs dalvik apps | 21:39 | |
| * MohammadAG gives RST38h a blender and asks him: | 21:40 | |
| MohammadAG | Do they blend? | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Of course they do | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: (xchat) a means to change charfont size via shortcut easily, that's be a nice feature I don't see any workaround for right now (like e.g. in xterm) | 21:55 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Articles locked in. | 22:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that would be nice, yes | 22:05 |
| * GeneralAntilles just tried to load dogs.google.com | 22:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-D | 22:06 |
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| paroneayea | Stskeeps: yeah I saw, looks good | 22:51 |
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| paroneayea | might be nice to have a simplified version of free / free with nonfree dependencies / nonfree | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | mm, either way, it's something that can be built on | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | looking forward to seeing if things are moving in the right direction in PR1.2 | 22:53 |
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| paroneayea | yes, indeed | 22:56 |
| paroneayea | and thanks for your work on it :) | 22:56 |
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| MohammadAG | is there a dbus command to start/stop bluetooth | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | ~ping | 23:12 |
| infobot | ~pong | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ding | 23:15 |
| infobot | dong | 23:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~sing | 23:15 |
| infobot | "Night fever, night fever. You know how to do it!" | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~shut up | 23:16 |
| infobot | yes, master docscrutinizer | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | infobot: good bot | 23:16 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer | 23:16 |
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| woglinde_ | ~botsnack | 23:17 |
| infobot | :), woglinde_ | 23:17 |
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| ptl | I am following the howto for irreco but I can only use 'commands' from remote controls that are registered in lircdb. How do I use irreco to 'train' a button, since I have the remote control? | 23:20 |
| ptl | My remote control is not registered in lircdb! | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ptl: no way since N900 has no IR reeiver | 23:24 |
| ptl | oh. :( | 23:24 |
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| kamui | wow | 23:25 |
| kamui | how stupid ws that decision | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ptl: try a remote profile for a similar RC. maybe small variation in name or sth | 23:25 |
| kamui | put only an ir tansmitter on a device | 23:25 |
| kamui | especially on a pda style device | 23:25 |
| kamui | where you would assume a user would possibly use IR to send/recieve data | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's not at all a IrDA | 23:26 |
| kamui | I can't think of a single situation other than a dedicated remote control where unidirection IR makes any sense | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's a mere custom IR TX | 23:26 |
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| kamui | im not usually a whats the point kind of guy | 23:27 |
| kamui | but really | 23:27 |
| kamui | who came up with that decision | 23:27 |
| kamui | and what was its real purpose | 23:27 |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer51: I tried it, it's a small brand of electronics in Brazil named gradiente. It has 3 entries, none of them are a TV | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | don't ask *me* | 23:27 |
| kamui | lol | 23:27 |
| ptl | kamui: it'd be much better if they put in a digital compass | 23:27 |
| ptl | instead of the IR | 23:28 |
| kamui | meh | 23:28 |
| lcuk | digital compass wont help you change tv channel | 23:28 |
| kamui | the compas is a catchy little gimmick these days | 23:28 |
| kamui | seems useless again | 23:28 |
| kamui | I'd rather have had a full IrDA FIR device | 23:28 |
| ptl | and pay more for it? | 23:28 |
| kamui | pay whta | 23:28 |
| ptl | spacewise too | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ptl: if you find out which IR chip the RC is built upon' you'll probably find compatible RC profile | 23:28 |
| kamui | an extra 20 bucks? | 23:29 |
| lcuk | kamui, most people dont seem to mind nowadays | 23:29 |
| kamui | yea, I guess | 23:29 |
| woglinde_ | jo lcuk | 23:29 |
| lcuk | i havent seen much noise about its absense until now | 23:29 |
| lcuk | but people have been using it to control things | 23:29 |
| lcuk | so \o/ | 23:29 |
| kamui | which to me seems real cool | 23:29 |
| lcuk | hiya woglinde_ | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | kamui, it does have a receiver. | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although I'm unsure if anything useful can be gotten out of it. | 23:30 |
| lcuk | woglinde_, whats happenin tonight then | 23:30 |
| ptl | it does have a receiver for that? | 23:30 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, could you also confirm for me please if our amazing n900 also includes a flux capacitor | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | ptl, the proximity sensor is just an IR light and receiver. | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: wtf? the info regarding this detail seems to change weekly?! | 23:31 |
| lcuk | other older devices have it and it would be useful for us | 23:31 |
| woglinde_ | lcuk hm nothing | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, nah, the IR on top of the device is just CIR. | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I WANT THE FSCKNG NDA TO SIGN IT RIGHT NOW! gimme those nasty schematics! | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, do you really? :P | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah! | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: nda causes personality split | 23:33 |
| timeless_mbp | nda's are bad for your sanity | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no issue with just one more of those | 23:33 |
| ptl | when you remove something with application manager, does it remove the dependencies it installed automatically too? | 23:37 |
| Proteous | that would suck if other programs had the same dependencies... | 23:37 |
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| ptl | aptitude does that | 23:38 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, someone posted L3&L4 manuals on tmo | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | if that helps | 23:39 |
| ptl | it sucks more to have stuff that you don't use installed | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: those don't have schematics though | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ptl, I believe it does. | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: thanks for dropping the notice anyway | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | ptl, I'm unclean on the exact setup, though. | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/clean/clear/ | 23:40 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: ptl, I'm unclear on the exact setup, though. | 23:40 |
| ptl | ok | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | seen them some time ago on nokiausers | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, it had circuit diagram of the charging :P | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | they don't have the schematics, as someone said a reply | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh actually? | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | +in* | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | anyways i'm off | 23:41 |
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| ShadowJK | The charging circuit has direct connection to make yellow on the LED :P | 23:41 |
| matthew- | uh | 23:42 |
| matthew- | my n900 survuved a drop from 1.5m | 23:42 |
| Proteous | onto a featherbed? | 23:42 |
| satmd | no moving parts | 23:42 |
| matthew- | screen on a corner of a marble block. | 23:42 |
| Proteous | nice | 23:43 |
| matthew- | when i was picking it up, i was sure it's dead. | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | matthew-: seems almost within specs | 23:43 |
| matthew- | and it was SO loud. | 23:43 |
| matthew- | DocScrutinizer51: Within specs? | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | My dev discount unit survived a 4' drop onto a brick road. It fixed the gap below the keyboard. :P | 23:43 |
| ptl | that's because it regenerated, as does the majority of living beings | 23:43 |
| Proteous | lol | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | matthew-: drop test | 23:43 |
| matthew- | DocScrutinizer51: ah, ok ;-) | 23:43 |
| satmd | well, fun fact most people ignore... the louder an accident, the more energie was diverted TO the sound, the less onto damage | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | part of standard PV | 23:44 |
| satmd | sound is energy, too | 23:44 |
| matthew- | satmd: yeah. | 23:44 |
| sheepbat | well.. loudness given a fixed amount of initial energy | 23:44 |
| matthew- | satmd: and the heat wave.. | 23:44 |
| matthew- | ;] | 23:44 |
| sheepbat | but if the percentage stays constant, louder sound means more energy overall | 23:44 |
| Proteous | sort of true for things with a large surface area I guess | 23:44 |
| Proteous | yeah | 23:44 |
| matthew- | DocScrutinizer51: My e90 survived 2nd floor drop onto a brick road. :> | 23:45 |
| sheepbat | I could see landing flat on a surface being louder than soething else though | 23:45 |
| sheepbat | hence clapping | 23:45 |
| satmd | heat 'wave', yeah :D | 23:45 |
| satmd | but truly, bad accidents usually do NOT make much noise, loud accidents end relatively harmless | 23:46 |
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| matthew- | satmd: it created a month long heat wave in the area, yes :> | 23:46 |
| satmd | lol? | 23:47 |
| matthew- | :> nothing ;-) | 23:47 |
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| ptl | tell me, is it true that you can videoconference via skype with the N900? | 23:49 |
| ptl | Saw a video with that | 23:50 |
| Kegetys | no | 23:50 |
| ptl | how the youtube guy did that then? | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | PR1.2 seems to have rumors to the effect of Skype video | 23:50 |
| Kegetys | the mystical youtube guy can do anything | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | ptl, I think it was skype developers using an unreleased skype version | 23:51 |
| ptl | oh, it's gtalk video | 23:51 |
| ptl | sorry | 23:51 |
| ptl | what about standard 3g video calling? | 23:51 |
| ShadowJK | 3g video calling not supported | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I doubt we'll ever see that. | 23:52 |
| ptl | I'll test it as soon as I change my provider | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | and we don't know what's coming if anything | 23:52 |
| ptl | but you got a secondary camera | 23:52 |
| ptl | how can it not be supported? | 23:52 |
| ptl | are the codecs proprietary or something? | 23:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't know anybody who has ever even used 3G calling. | 23:52 | |
| ShadowJK | Allegedly it works with gtalk if with some extra app.. | 23:53 |
| * lcuk blinks | 23:53 | |
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| ShadowJK | The front camera's video output was unusable until PR1.1 anyway, and it's not that great now either | 23:53 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i have 3g near me most of the time | 23:53 |
| lcuk | and in cambridge i get 3.5g | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, video calling. | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | That reminds me. | 23:55 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to masure the SNR of tfrontcam under an illumination of 100 lux. | 23:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | To see if it's 37dB | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect not even close. | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | (that's the specced sensitivitY) | 23:56 |
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| Kegetys | the front surface material probably eats some of the light | 23:56 |
| Chiku | which developping stage is PR1.2 ? alpha beta RC? | 23:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Chiku, freeze was a few days ago. | 23:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If they decided to do another round of community testing that'll be when it hits RC. | 23:58 |
| Chiku | how long usualy to get next stages? | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Kegetys: it's not going to be >50% | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably 4-8 weeks. | 23:58 |
| Chiku | for RC? | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chiku, realize, though, that information about Nokia's internal release process isn't widely available. | 23:59 |
| jaycuse | Hey, I'm starting to write my first app for maemo and I had a question concerning gstreamer. I kind of have a question about gstreamer. Anyone here willing to help? | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chiku, until release. | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume you can't comment on any aspects of the firmware - say if frontcam has changed since 1.1? | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | jaycuse: shoot. | 23:59 |
| jaycuse | Thanks :) | 23:59 |
| ptl | jaycuse: #maemo-devel is better for you to get an answer | 23:59 |
| Chiku | ok thx | 23:59 |
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