| SonicSpinner | aah´ ok | 00:00 |
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| mece | SonicSpinner, yeah, it means that the folder is hidden. For this purpose though I think it's better to have a visible folder that tracker is not allowed in. | 00:00 |
| SonicSpinner | whats is the difference in watch tracker and index tracker | 00:00 |
| mece | err.. | 00:00 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, tracker is the thing that pokes about in your phone, looking for videos to list in the media player. | 00:00 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, dunno what the differance is between watch and index | 00:01 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, yes I do | 00:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I think watch by some means keeps a track of the directoris - and will index them if they change. index will index them only when it is asked to | 00:01 |
| SonicSpinner | hm okey | 00:01 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, right, the ones it watches, it constantly checks. the other ones it pokes about in every now and then. | 00:01 |
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| SonicSpinner | so u can just use watch. should be enough | 00:01 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, if you use watch, they will appear in the media player more quickly after they are uploaded. | 00:02 |
| SonicSpinner | okey | 00:02 |
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| mece | SonicSpinner, I might be mistaken. If you don't want tracker to index, put it in the disallow list, or whatever it's called. | 00:02 |
| SonicSpinner | so i should unwatch the tvshow folder. then use the file manager to launch em from there | 00:03 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, you should not just unwatch, you should forbid. | 00:03 |
| SonicSpinner | i wonder if it can do sub-folders aswell | 00:03 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, it does. | 00:03 |
| SonicSpinner | ah yea disallows ok | 00:03 |
| SonicSpinner | cool | 00:03 |
| SonicSpinner | looks like a big mess in my media player atm. hehe | 00:03 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, renaming it to . file works too, but then they won't show up in filemanager by default, afaik. | 00:04 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, you need to delete the database too. | 00:04 |
| jebba | why does the dialpad have "*+" instead of just "*". I dont see how to get it to do an "+" anyway. | 00:04 |
| SonicSpinner | yea ure right. i tried .friends . and i can oinly see with total commander app | 00:04 |
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| SonicSpinner | jebba: press twice * | 00:04 |
| SonicSpinner | it will change it to plus | 00:05 |
| jebba | ah | 00:05 |
| w00t | jebba: multiple taps | 00:05 |
| w00t | .. beaten | 00:05 |
| SonicSpinner | hehe | 00:05 |
| RevdKathy | ahh the ginger wine is gone. Time I went to bed then | 00:05 |
| RevdKathy | Good night all! | 00:05 |
| w00t | night kathy | 00:05 |
| SonicSpinner | ive had my n900 for 1 month now,. and i have been playing with different apps nite after nitr | 00:06 |
| SonicSpinner | hehe | 00:06 |
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| SonicSpinner | mece> thanx for ur inputs, ill try em either later or tomorrow | 00:06 |
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| mece | SonicSpinner, no prob. There's a thread somewhere on where you find the db's and whatnot. | 00:07 |
| SonicSpinner | so hows everyones experience with the different IM protocolsd | 00:07 |
| SonicSpinner | past 2 nites ive been playing with msn, haze, pecan etc | 00:08 |
| SonicSpinner | im still trying to understand whats what | 00:08 |
| SonicSpinner | and i cant make " msn " plugin to work. only haze, pecan | 00:08 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, haze is everything. | 00:08 |
| n1c0 | howto play postal babes ? | 00:08 |
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| SonicSpinner | okey. so the different protocls is called telepathy and somethign else right? | 00:09 |
| SonicSpinner | i wanted to test the one with webcam working. but seems 0.8 screwed it up | 00:09 |
| n1c0 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIynCz4-sbE , does it run on maemo ? | 00:10 |
| tybollt | muahaha | 00:10 |
| tybollt | nice bug I just encountered | 00:10 |
| tybollt | phone got "stuck" in portrait mode, wtf? :) | 00:10 |
| tybollt | something you cna do to "unfuck" it other than reboot? | 00:11 |
| SonicSpinner | shake it?:D | 00:11 |
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| frals | tybollt: id try opening browser, closing keyboard, rotating it, open keyboard | 00:12 |
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| mece | SonicSpinner, I've only heard about gtalk webcam. Is there another that has working video? | 00:13 |
| SonicSpinner | yes | 00:13 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, which one? | 00:13 |
| SonicSpinner | the msn protocol 0.7 | 00:13 |
| SonicSpinner | but only when ur contact asks for it | 00:13 |
| dnaumov | meh, firefox 1.0 mobile feels nice, but the limited zoom options (max in, max out) and the zoom keyboard shortcuts being broken and doing nothing is really a dealbreaker for me | 00:13 |
| SonicSpinner | also Amsn should work. but its aheavy program. | 00:13 |
| tybollt | frals: ah, tried that w/ phone app, no workie | 00:14 |
| tybollt | will try browser | 00:14 |
| tybollt | here goes nothing... | 00:14 |
| SonicSpinner | needs 32mb device mb lol | 00:14 |
| tybollt | frals++ | 00:15 |
| frals | :) | 00:15 |
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| tybollt | took a little wiggling but it worked =) | 00:15 |
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| tybollt | dnaumov: how about the speed of it? | 00:15 |
| tybollt | dnaumov: feels slow? | 00:16 |
| dnaumov | tybollt: page load and rendering speed feels roughly the same, the UI feels unique and cool, app start time is 2-3 seconds slower than N900 stock browser | 00:17 |
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| mece | dnaumov, that sounds pretty good. too bad about the zooming. | 00:18 |
| dnaumov | yeah | 00:18 |
| mece | MicroB zooming is excellent. | 00:18 |
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| dnaumov | it was my only serious gripe | 00:18 |
| dnaumov | but a complete dealkiller still | 00:18 |
| mece | yep | 00:18 |
| tybollt | mece: ack, I have to say I am way way impressed by microb zoom | 00:19 |
| tybollt | granted I really never user zoom | 00:19 |
| dnaumov | wonder when is someone going to port utorrent to maemo | 00:19 |
| tybollt | torrent? for n900? uhm... uh... ok .. | 00:19 |
| mece | I have a question about packaging py. Anyone here who could help with that? | 00:19 |
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| mece | dnaumov, transmission not good enough? | 00:20 |
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| dnaumov | mece: is there a gui version? | 00:20 |
| TomaszD | transmission is a gui client | 00:21 |
| mece | right, that's what I thought. | 00:21 |
| mece | I haven't used it. | 00:21 |
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| tybollt | frals: did you consider porting that web-sms-app to some .se operator? | 00:23 |
| frals | uh, that web-sms-app isnt mine :p | 00:23 |
| tybollt | nono | 00:23 |
| tybollt | but uhm it's gp I guess, one could have a stab at it =) | 00:23 |
| * tybollt roughly considering to :) | 00:23 | |
| tybollt | gpl* | 00:24 |
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| SonicSpinner | mece: im trying out the tracker config trick now + db cache erasing. rebooting now | 00:25 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, good luck with that. | 00:25 |
| SonicSpinner | oh crap lol | 00:26 |
| SonicSpinner | ah wait something is happening now | 00:26 |
| SonicSpinner | BAM | 00:27 |
| SonicSpinner | working :d | 00:27 |
| SonicSpinner | weheoo good stuff | 00:27 |
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| dnaumov | oh WOW, gjelewed is a great port | 00:27 |
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| SonicSpinner | so | 00:38 |
| SonicSpinner | now that i have fixed the tracker , i need somethign else to play around with :D | 00:38 |
| SonicSpinner | i wish i could test the msn with webcam. but have to wait for a newer version i think | 00:38 |
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| nedko | zeenix: it looks i got sucked into upnp too :) i got my collection exported and playable on my n900 :) | 00:47 |
| nedko | zeenix: i saw you made a dbus mediaserver spec | 00:47 |
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| SonicSpinner | nedko: are u expert in media playing with n900? | 00:49 |
| nedko | SonicSpinner: not at all. i was asking stupid questions less than an hour ago :) | 00:49 |
| SonicSpinner | oh lo. ok. no question is stupid :D | 00:50 |
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| Hardknox | hi | 00:51 |
| SonicSpinner | has anyone have on screen keyboard working? | 00:52 |
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| SonicSpinner | hi Hardknox | 00:52 |
| Hardknox | mean virtual keyboard? | 00:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hardknox: you have to enable it in settings -> input | 00:53 |
| Hardknox | yes | 00:53 |
| Hardknox | Im using vk all time | 00:53 |
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| SonicSpinner | yeah just found out that i had to slide off the keyboard first of course hehe | 00:54 |
| SonicSpinner | pretty stupid of me :P | 00:54 |
| Hardknox | :) | 00:54 |
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| Hardknox | SpeedEvil Im watching repos and Can wait for that app but owner disapeared | 01:00 |
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| wazd | ok, new Marina version is in Extras, please test http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-theme-marina/hildon-theme-marina_0.99_all.deb | 01:00 |
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| mece | wazd, what's marina? | 01:00 |
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| lcuk | wazd, extras-devel! | 01:00 |
| wazd | lcuk: yeah yeah :) | 01:01 |
| Hardknox | marina theme :) | 01:01 |
| wazd | mece: maemo 5 theme | 01:01 |
| lcuk | pleased its coming though | 01:01 |
| Hardknox | botnet or split hmmm | 01:02 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, it was a really hard experience to make a theme without actual device | 01:02 |
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| mece | wazd, ok cool :) | 01:03 |
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| mece | ooooo.. /opt is an actual directory in scratchbox... | 01:05 |
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| mece | good to know. | 01:05 |
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| Hardknox | it's anybody know how to make term window with transparency on desktop? like term widget? | 01:06 |
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| mece | Hardknox, That could be done in a way, but not properly, at least not trivially. I think it would only display output. commands would have to go through options menu or something. | 01:09 |
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| wazd | If you'll have some time to make fresh screenshots of Marina - I'd be happy :P | 01:10 |
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| Hardknox | how to join app channel? | 01:13 |
| lcuk | whats the name of the chan | 01:13 |
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| Hardknox | yepp | 01:13 |
| Hardknox | Icuk u know that name? | 01:14 |
| tank-man | what is the app channel? | 01:14 |
| Hardknox | yes | 01:14 |
| tank-man | who is on first? | 01:14 |
| tank-man | Hardknox, welcome to the app channel | 01:15 |
| Hardknox | really? | 01:15 |
| joppu | http://imgkk.com/i/zqYx56.jpg 4th panel, is that really a NIT I see there!? | 01:15 |
| lcuk | Hardknox, you are failing english. you say "app channel", we ask what channel name you want to join, you normally give a name of a channel or application | 01:15 |
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| Hardknox | oh my mistake | 01:16 |
| mece | Hardknox, #maemo #maemo-bugs #maemo-devel #maemo-meeting #maemo-ui | 01:16 |
| lcuk | joppu, n810 unmistakably | 01:16 |
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| Hardknox | I mean application channel | 01:16 |
| MikeJB | What language(s) does Maemo support for its apps? | 01:16 |
| SonicSpinner | what is @ maemo meeting? | 01:16 |
| SonicSpinner | just chat? | 01:16 |
| Hardknox | thnx | 01:16 |
| joppu | yep, it even has the USB port in the correct place :) | 01:17 |
| timeless_ | MikeJB: err | 01:17 |
| lcuk | joppu, undeed it does | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | in | 01:18 |
| timeless_ | Maemo is Linux | 01:18 |
| timeless_ | you can use C, C++, Python, Perl, Ruby,... | 01:18 |
| lcuk | timeless, i tihnk he meant to ask which have strong translation support | 01:18 |
| MikeJB | Actually, timeless_ was wright | 01:18 |
| lcuk | actually now i dunno lol | 01:18 |
| MikeJB | *right | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | lol | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | SonicSpinner, no, it's the conference room. | 01:19 |
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| timeless_ | MikeJB: so... Java is mostly unsupported | 01:19 |
| timeless_ | you'd need to find someone w/ a jvm (e.g. jalimo) | 01:19 |
| timeless_ | but otherwise... | 01:19 |
| tank-man | so much for universal | 01:19 |
| mece | lol, well put tank-man | 01:19 |
| MikeJB | So much for cross-platform in the smartphone world... | 01:19 |
| SonicSpinner | ok cheers | 01:20 |
| MikeJB | timeless_: How's the python support? | 01:20 |
| timeless_ | dunno | 01:20 |
| timeless_ | i'm a happy perler | 01:20 |
| timeless_ | but people seem to be able to write apps w/ it | 01:20 |
| mece | MikeJB, python support is excellent. | 01:20 |
| MikeJB | Good. | 01:20 |
| lcuk | from what i can gather python is pretty well integrated | 01:20 |
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| MikeJB | Python 2 or 3? | 01:20 |
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| mece | 2. | 01:20 |
| MikeJB | Good. | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i think 3 is mostly vapormess | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | someday 3.1 or 3.2 might be a future | 01:21 |
| shinkamui | nipples | 01:21 |
| MikeJB | Fedora doesn't support Python 3 yet so I really wouldn't be able to develop for Python 3 anyway | 01:21 |
| shinkamui | I looked at some python books at Barnes and Nobles yesterday | 01:21 |
| MikeJB | (The last thing I want to do is risk breaking yum and other key things by manually installing Python 3) | 01:21 |
| shinkamui | certainly not worht 60$ | 01:21 |
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| shinkamui | bought a nice book on 64bit asm :D | 01:22 |
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| MikeJB | How about planned future phones? Just saw the review on engadget.com and the platform impresses me, but not really the phone. | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | MikeJB: the future is a secret | 01:24 |
| MikeJB | Kind of seems like the N910 or whatever follows it would be more polished... | 01:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | but i'd recommend against holding your breath | 01:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | you'd likely die of asphyxiation | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | and we'd lose a customer | 01:25 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, lol. generally thats how things work. | 01:25 |
| shinkamui | but its your call, the next release of a nokia maemo device could be months away or years away | 01:26 |
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| MikeJB | I just don't know if I can justify paying $569 for it when it seems like a work-in-progress. | 01:26 |
| shinkamui | yea, if youre having that conversation with yourself, then its probably not the right device for you | 01:26 |
| jebba | the fone doesn't impress you? The hardware is the best out there AFAICT. | 01:26 |
| jebba | but the software is definitely a work in progress | 01:27 |
| shinkamui | but its seems like your the target for the devce as well | 01:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MikeJB, work-in-progress is the whole point of Maemo. | 01:27 |
| shinkamui | so isn't that a peculiar situation | 01:27 |
| MikeJB | Well, it's a bit pricey for what it is. | 01:27 |
| lcuk | im looking towards spending $1000+ on a self assembly robot that cant even stand up on its own without my help | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: fun | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | MikeJB, Dell had it for about $430 | 01:27 |
| MikeJB | Maybe it's what all phones look like without subsidies or something. | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | MikeJB, look harder for deals. | 01:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | it is fwiw | 01:28 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, yep, thats about right | 01:28 |
| timeless_mbp | or at least high end phones | 01:28 |
| shinkamui | buy a crappy iBone out of contract | 01:28 |
| shinkamui | 600$ | 01:28 |
| timeless_mbp | a low end unsubsidized phone might be cheaper | 01:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | but it's going to be just a phone | 01:28 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: i now have a script that lets me compare a locale against a second locale :) | 01:29 |
| jebba | ooh cool | 01:29 |
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| jebba | you mean you can feed it a string and a couple languages and get it? that would be handy :) | 01:29 |
| MikeJB | It looks a little out of my price range... The N900 is the only Maemo device? | 01:29 |
| shinkamui | currently, although aigo is releasing the N500 | 01:30 |
| shinkamui | maemo device with a bigger 4.3" screen | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, er. | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, that isn't Maemo. :) | 01:30 |
| shinkamui | GeneralAntilles, I only read the release from pocketables | 01:30 |
| MikeJB | GeneralAntilles: dell.com sells Nokia phones? | 01:30 |
| shinkamui | they said maemo, so I went with it | 01:31 |
| shinkamui | :) | 01:31 |
| MikeJB | I can't seem to find anything lower than about $520 on Google Shopping | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/700445 | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | for sample output | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, that's the Chinese repurposing the open source components from Maemo 4, adding their own shit on top and abusing Nokia's trademarks. | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | MikeJB, yes. | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, the Chinese also sell N900s. | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, doesn't mean they're actually N900s. | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: how does their shit compare with nokias shit though. | 01:31 |
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| shinkamui | GeneralAntilles, http://www.pocketables.net/2010/01/aigo-launches-feature-packed-n500-maemo-mid.html | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, what do you think? | 01:32 |
| MikeJB | Hmm, Dell.com has it for $540 according to me. | 01:32 |
| shinkamui | just an fyi, thats all I read | 01:32 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: can you give me the script and i'll add it to freemoe-foo-* scripts if you want (like i want ;) | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, bloggers. | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:32 |
| shinkamui | so its LIES! | 01:32 |
| shinkamui | :) | 01:32 |
| shinkamui | thought it looked crazy | 01:32 |
| shinkamui | anyway, thanks for straightening me out | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, point me to a Chinese knock-off that manages to surpass whatever it's knocking off. :) | 01:33 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: n900 clone with dual sim! :P | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - 2 SIM phones actually are better for some users | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | i would love a second number - even if it's GSM/GPRS only | 01:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | well - in principle. | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | If I ever actually used the first. | 01:34 |
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| MikeJB | Does the N900 only support T-Mobile in the US? | 01:36 |
| N900evil | if you want 3g | 01:36 |
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| shinkamui | soryr, I gotta spam this, its hilarious if you haven't seen it already : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4 | 01:37 |
| MikeJB | Does the N900 work as a wifi device or is it a phone at heart? | 01:37 |
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| shiznebit | MikeJB: its both | 01:38 |
| lcuk | MikeJB, both | 01:38 |
| shinkamui | in fact | 01:38 |
| shinkamui | the phone is more of an afterthough imo | 01:39 |
| MikeJB | I'm just wondering if it would be worth it if I use something else as a phone and use that over wifi. | 01:39 |
| shinkamui | clearly its a "tablet' first | 01:39 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, seems pointless to carry 2 devices | 01:39 |
| shiznebit | clearly i will wait for a9 | 01:39 |
| shinkamui | especially when one of them works | 01:39 |
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| shiznebit | it does seemless transition between skype and phone | 01:40 |
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| user_ | python3.1 on n900... any thoughts ...? | 01:40 |
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| MikeJB | Right, I heard about that seemless transition. But would it be phone enough with just skype? | 01:40 |
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| MikeJB | Does anyone use it just with skype? | 01:42 |
| shinkamui | I do | 01:42 |
| shinkamui | sucks if you're american though | 01:42 |
| shinkamui | :-D | 01:42 |
| shinkamui | numbers are expected to be in international format | 01:43 |
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| woglinde | ~seen jebba | 01:43 |
| infobot | jebba is currently on #maemo (37m 48s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 11m 17s, last said: 'timeless_mbp: can you give me the script and i'll add it to freemoe-foo-* scripts if you want (like i want ;)'. | 01:43 |
| shinkamui | I took 2 hours and went through my entire phonebook adding the useless extra codes | 01:43 |
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| woglinde | jebba -> http://blog.exys.org/entries/2010/maemo_toolchain_without_scratchbox.html | 01:43 |
| timeless_mbp | shinkamui: heh | 01:44 |
| jebba | hey woglinde | 01:44 |
| shinkamui | luckily the exchange support on the N900 is decent (minus google) so it was at least doable for me on a computer | 01:44 |
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| jebba | woglinde: is that your blog? | 01:45 |
| woglinde | no | 01:45 |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: sorry | 01:45 |
| woglinde | aep on qt posted it | 01:45 |
| timeless_mbp | how is that better than scratchbox? | 01:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | is the win basically from distcc? | 01:46 |
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| woglinde | seems so | 01:46 |
| lcuk | hi javispedro | 01:46 |
| woglinde | jo lcuk | 01:46 |
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| lcuk | hey woglinde | 01:46 |
| javispedro | moo lcuk woglinde | 01:46 |
| jebba | woglinde: i dont see too much upside there though. They are basically just re-doing a scratchbox chroot AFAICT (?) | 01:47 |
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| jebba | ah ya, distcc. | 01:47 |
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| jebba | but rebuilding many .debs, very little of the overall time is actually spent in gcc. All the setup, shell scripts, etc. take up lots of the compile time. | 01:47 |
| jebba | though it seems distcc could be kludged into the scratchbox just as easily. | 01:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | yep | 01:48 |
| timeless_mbp | might as well save yourself pain and use sb2 | 01:49 |
| woglinde | hm | 01:49 |
| woglinde | sb2 cannt handle optify stuff right | 01:49 |
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| woglinde | at least here | 01:49 |
| timeless_mbp | how so? | 01:49 |
| MikeJB | If I wrote something for Linux, how easy would it be to port it to Maemo? | 01:49 |
| jebba | i'm trying to figure out the *really* best way to do this. OBS seems to be great, but i haven't gotten it going yet (perhaps will work on it now). BUt what i've spent the last day learning is amazon's ec2 cloud services. Putting OBS there would be the greatest. | 01:49 |
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| jebba | woglinde: with sb2 you could just run maemo-optify-deb afterwards. I dont think sb2 would have optify drawbacks. | 01:50 |
| `0660 | MikeJB, depends on the libraries that your application uses | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | MikeJB: totally amorphous question | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | if your wrote it for linux-parisc | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | using parisc assembly | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | then it wouldn't be very portable | 01:50 |
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| woglinde | timeless_mbp in develop stage under /opt/maemo the tools are mounted | 01:50 |
| jebba | MikeJB: but likely 100% easy, if your interfface can work on something small. | 01:50 |
| woglinde | no lib bin stuff | 01:50 |
| MikeJB | Yes, but writing in Assembly makes the most efficient apps. | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 01:51 |
| jebba | not efficent porting tho | 01:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it makes the biggest headaches | 01:51 |
| jebba | woglinde: what tools? i'm a bit lost ther.e | 01:51 |
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| woglinde | hm | 01:52 |
| woglinde | whats that | 01:52 |
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| woglinde | now its handled right | 01:52 |
| shinkamui | anyone dick around with mame | 01:53 |
| shinkamui | I love mame | 01:53 |
| shinkamui | but a lot of my roms dont work :( | 01:53 |
| shinkamui | probably because they're for version .35 | 01:53 |
| shiznebit | shinkamui: what useless codes did you add | 01:54 |
| shinkamui | lol | 01:54 |
| shinkamui | +11 | 01:54 |
| shinkamui | to every number | 01:54 |
| shinkamui | they're all US numbers, so it was useless | 01:54 |
| shinkamui | I only have 2 international numbers in my phone book, both Ghanaian | 01:55 |
| shiznebit | hmm couldn't just add a + | 01:55 |
| shinkamui | didn't work | 01:55 |
| shinkamui | skype would give me the can't complete call | 01:55 |
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| shiznebit | that sucks | 01:55 |
| shinkamui | plus I only keep the number in my phone book in this format (123)-456-789 | 01:55 |
| shinkamui | 1 | 01:55 |
| shinkamui | no big deal | 01:55 |
| shinkamui | just a hassle having to edit 300 phone entries in order to make use of skype | 01:56 |
| shiznebit | no way to use console and edit the file ? | 01:57 |
| shinkamui | it wasn't pure hell, I did it in evolution | 01:57 |
| shinkamui | and the changes synced back to the phone | 01:57 |
| shinkamui | I didn't even think to try and directly edit the phonebook file | 01:58 |
| shinkamui | didn't know there was one | 01:58 |
| shiznebit | i don't know if there is one | 01:58 |
| shinkamui | well, rephrase, I assumed it would have been stored in a sql db | 01:58 |
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| Caesium | this came up earlier funnily enough | 01:58 |
| Caesium | the addressbook is a berkelydb file | 01:59 |
| Caesium | python can open and manipulate it pretty easily | 01:59 |
| shinkamui | ridiculous | 01:59 |
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| shinkamui | I really need to learn python | 01:59 |
| shinkamui | the N900 loves python above all else | 01:59 |
| MikeJB | Python's pretty easy. | 02:00 |
| shinkamui | I hear that | 02:00 |
| MikeJB | print "Hello World." | 02:00 |
| shinkamui | its super high level | 02:00 |
| MikeJB | Like that easy. | 02:00 |
| lpotter | my n900 hates python | 02:00 |
| woglinde | mine not | 02:00 |
| shinkamui | ill take tomorrow and learn the core | 02:01 |
| ifreq | my n900 hates humans | 02:01 |
| shinkamui | mine too ifreq | 02:01 |
| shinkamui | whenever I leave it idle, the load is way down, but as soon as I pick it up, its up in the hi 80s | 02:01 |
| shiznebit | something tells me you guys aren't humans | 02:01 |
| shinkamui | almost like its saying Im too busy for you | 02:01 |
| MikeJB | Hmm... | 02:01 |
| MikeJB | When did the N900 come to the US? | 02:02 |
| shinkamui | or, stop installing usless shit on me | 02:02 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, never | 02:02 |
| shinkamui | :) | 02:02 |
| shinkamui | I had mine shipped from finland | 02:02 |
| shiznebit | lmao | 02:02 |
| shinkamui | I think the tmobile US deal fell through anyway | 02:02 |
| shinkamui | so I doubt there will ever be subsidized version here | 02:02 |
| shiznebit | to bad | 02:02 |
| shinkamui | AND im using it on at&t | 02:02 |
| shinkamui | so its like a triple slap | 02:02 |
| shiznebit | would have been awesome | 02:02 |
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| shinkamui | and a grazing testicle shot | 02:03 |
| shinkamui | btw, how do you name the phone | 02:03 |
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| shinkamui | just edit the hostname file | 02:03 |
| shinkamui | or is there a proper way to do it | 02:03 |
| shinkamui | Im tired of seeing that ridiculously long string show up on my computers when they find the device | 02:04 |
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| shiznebit | is tethering simple to do on the N900 ? | 02:04 |
| shinkamui | yes | 02:04 |
| shinkamui | theres an app for that :) | 02:05 |
| MikeJB | Bah. This is really bothering me. It looks like a fun toy, but it also looks pricey for a toy if I can't really find it lower than the mid-$500s... | 02:05 |
| shiznebit | thats why I will wait | 02:06 |
| MikeJB | I mean, it's basically Linux... in a pocket-sized device. I'd love to mess around with it and see what it can do... | 02:06 |
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| MikeJB | But ideally, I'd pay $400 tops for this. | 02:06 |
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| shiznebit | MikeJB: almost exactly the same thing a beagleboard can | 02:06 |
| MikeJB | Just based on comparative pricing of electronic devices. | 02:06 |
| shiznebit | the size is substantially smaller | 02:07 |
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| MikeJB | Yeah, true, this is smaller than most things I'm comparing it to in my head, which probably makes it more expensive. | 02:07 |
| MikeJB | and 32 GB is a good amount of storage. Maybe too good. | 02:07 |
| shiznebit | just wait till A9 comes out and Maemo 6 | 02:08 |
| MikeJB | A9 is the successor device? | 02:08 |
| woglinde | processor | 02:08 |
| woglinde | or better core | 02:08 |
| shiznebit | A9 is the successor processor | 02:09 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, sucks, but thats the deal | 02:09 |
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| shinkamui | its barely 2 months old | 02:09 |
| woglinde | or A4 | 02:09 |
| woglinde | lol | 02:09 |
| shinkamui | you'll have to wait at least a year to see a better price | 02:09 |
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| shiznebit | wtf is A4 ? | 02:09 |
| shinkamui | iTampons processor is derived from it | 02:09 |
| MikeJB | shinkamui: I guess it's probably because most phones here in the US are heavily subsidized to about 1/3 of the price. | 02:10 |
| shinkamui | yup | 02:10 |
| MikeJB | Nasty trick since it leads to a higher total cost of ownership, but it makes us Americans hesitant at paying more than $500 for a phone. | 02:10 |
| shinkamui | you should normally expect to pay around 500-600 for a solid device out of contract | 02:10 |
| woglinde | shiznebit A4 is the custom arm core soc apple developed for the ipad | 02:10 |
| MikeJB | Does the N900 have any paid apps or is it a mostly free (price) ecosystem? | 02:11 |
| shinkamui | has some paid apps | 02:11 |
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| shiznebit | woglinde: any clue what the specs are ? | 02:11 |
| shinkamui | they've dissapeared already :) | 02:11 |
| shinkamui | angry birds ftw! | 02:11 |
| shinkamui | shiznebit, 1ghz iirc | 02:11 |
| woglinde | shinzebot google should help you | 02:11 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, but for the most part, everything is free and community produced/supported | 02:12 |
| MikeJB | So at least there isn't too many hidden fees there... | 02:12 |
| shinkamui | if/when nokia brings the ngage platform to the N900, a ton of pay games will emerge | 02:12 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, but the bottom line is, if you want it, its usually pretty trivial to port it | 02:12 |
| shinkamui | unless its something obscure or heavy heavy weight | 02:13 |
| MikeJB | shinkamui: Is there already a Wesnoth port? | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | yes | 02:13 |
| MikeJB | Cool. | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | I haven't tried it, but there's a wesnoth port to the N800 | 02:13 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here w/ an n900 and 10mins? | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | and I believe it runs unmodified ont eh N900 | 02:13 |
| MikeJB | That's pretty much the only non-trivial game I play on my Linux computer. | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | timeless, ys | 02:13 |
| woglinde | timless aye! | 02:13 |
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| shinkamui | MikeJB, lol, I play the crap out of warzone 2100, and Jagged Alliance 2 | 02:14 |
| shinkamui | both on my debian box and my n900 | 02:14 |
| lpotter | timeless_mbp: depends on which 10 miutes | 02:14 |
| MikeJB | My computer has problems with *some* 3D games. | 02:14 |
| MikeJB | Warzone 2100 is one that crashes before loading. | 02:14 |
| shinkamui | also warcraft2 powered by stratagus | 02:14 |
| MikeJB | I got a laptop with an Intel graphics card because I thought they were supposed to have *better* Linux support | 02:14 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, lol | 02:14 |
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| shinkamui | intel GMA 965+ has great aiglx support | 02:15 |
| MikeJB | I like the community size though. | 02:15 |
| shinkamui | but are generally poor performers in the long haul | 02:15 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, yea its pretty nice | 02:15 |
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| MikeJB | Almost 500 for an IRC channel, and out of what I presume to be European peak hours, too... | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | do i want to know why NavIt is a utility instead of a location thing? | 02:15 |
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| shinkamui | MikeJB, seriously, the N900 has chosen you, you need to get one | 02:16 |
| woglinde | timeless ???? | 02:16 |
| shinkamui | its the device I've been looking for for years | 02:16 |
| woglinde | I set the section right | 02:17 |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: i'm using catorize | 02:17 |
| woglinde | where did you got the package? | 02:17 |
| shinkamui | I started with the HTC Exec dual booting linux poorly | 02:17 |
| timeless_mbp | and it shows up in the utilities category | 02:17 |
| shinkamui | then the SL-C3000 zaurus from sharp | 02:17 |
| woglinde | how can activate catorize? | 02:17 |
| woglinde | +I | 02:17 |
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| shinkamui | and now finally the N900 fits the exact category I was lokoing for, a full fledged linux phone | 02:17 |
| timeless_mbp | it's in extras-something | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | just install it | 02:18 |
| shinkamui | woglinde, its automatic | 02:18 |
| shinkamui | and I hated it | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | it'll reorganize your menu system | 02:18 |
| shinkamui | :) | 02:18 |
| woglinde | hm | 02:18 |
| woglinde | lets see | 02:18 |
| woglinde | maybee the desktop file is wrong | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | it might be special casing you | 02:18 |
| shinkamui | naah, its actually not bad, but you'll have to go into each.desktop file and twaek the groups if you dont like them | 02:18 |
| MikeJB | shinkamui: Idk, I think I might have to wait for Maemo 6 (Wikipedia has it down for 2010-2011) or a $100 price cut in the N900... It looks like fun, and it looks like a good complement to a Linux PC, it just doesn't seem worth the unsubsidized price us Americans are stuck with. Again, in the US we're used to paying 1/3 of the real price. | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | the package seems right | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | but given that navit seems to be a debugging tool | 02:19 |
| timeless_mbp | (no real ui) | 02:19 |
| timeless_mbp | they might have special cased it | 02:19 |
| woglinde | args | 02:19 |
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| woglinde | no programms | 02:19 |
| woglinde | fine | 02:19 |
| woglinde | timeless ah | 02:19 |
| MikeJB | Whenever I make up my mind though I can get it in 2 days with no shipping fee from Amazon Prime. :) | 02:19 |
| shinkamui | Mike, Im from and live in the US :) I know what you're saying, but I never buy subsidized devices. Until recently, we've always had a shitty selection of carrier locked devices | 02:19 |
| woglinde | thats the -dbg package | 02:19 |
| * Arkenoi wonders if there will be pr1.2 in february and what will be the build date | 02:19 | |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: ask the author during a business day? :) | 02:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: 30 days has september, april, june and november | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | all the rest have 31, except february ... | 02:20 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, not that this will be the last phone you ever buy, but at least until a maemo 6 device is released, this is easily hands down the most powerful deviec on the market | 02:20 |
| MikeJB | shinkamui: I understand that it has a higher total cost of ownership and all, and I'm currently suffering a feature phone that has nag screens for 3rd party apps (Opera) and lacks any real offerings in the carrier's store... at&t basically makes you choose "iPhone, Blackberry, or poor phone" | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | since 2010 isn't a happy multiple of 4 | 02:20 |
| woglinde | timeless of caterize? | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | that means it has fewer business day chances for an update :) | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: yeah | 02:21 |
| shinkamui | and I dont mean raw power, Im including its flexibility as well | 02:21 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa iirc | 02:21 |
| MikeJB | shinkamui: High end phones are starting to be 1GHz | 02:21 |
| MikeJB | If it was at the high end of raw power, I'd be sold right there. | 02:21 |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: fwiw | 02:21 |
| timeless_mbp | navit seems to commit suicide here | 02:21 |
| woglinde | jupp | 02:21 |
| woglinde | I know | 02:21 |
| * timeless_mbp just saw it do that | 02:21 | |
| woglinde | I am working on a new package | 02:21 |
| timeless_mbp | very disturbing | 02:21 |
| bfree | MikeJB: if you just want a phone then fine. if you compare it to netbooks, handhelds, tablets then I think the pricing is very good. personally I prefer a device not crippled by some "operator" who just wants to make revenue from you | 02:21 |
| Arkenoi | http://www.slashgear.com/notion-ink-adam-hands-on-0969281/ interesting technology, much more promising than stupid ipad | 02:22 |
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| shinkamui | MikeJB, quite true, however, the 1ghz snapdragon vs the cortex A8, performance wise I believe the snapdragon loses, when you consider the other features on the A8 | 02:22 |
| woglinde | autobuilder segafaulted at image-converting a lot | 02:22 |
| woglinde | but I finished now the code so I dont need it anymore | 02:22 |
| woglinde | and read the svg only | 02:22 |
| MikeJB | bfree: I agree 100% that it's the freest major phone I've seen. I'm a Fedora user for many years, so I'm not too far ideologically from the Debian users who probably populate this chan. | 02:22 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, fedora sucks | 02:23 |
| shinkamui | you suck | 02:23 |
| shinkamui | by association | 02:23 |
| woglinde | timeless_mbp and you have to setup your map yourself | 02:23 |
| shinkamui | :-D | 02:23 |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: definitely a utility :) | 02:23 |
| MikeJB | I'm amazed how in just a few years (true) Linux has gone from the extremely-niche Freerunner to something that a well-known phone maker puts its name on. | 02:23 |
| woglinde | timeless_mbp is there a way to tell user something when package is installed? | 02:23 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 02:23 |
| woglinde | hm pointer? | 02:24 |
| bfree | MikeJB: to me it's not a phone, it's an even smaller replacement for my eee 701+usb dongle+basic phone | 02:24 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a way to ask users to accept a nag screen | 02:24 |
| woglinde | yes | 02:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i think crash-reporter does it | 02:24 |
| woglinde | but besides it | 02:24 |
| lcuk | woglinde, remember the original liqbase you built | 02:24 |
| woglinde | lcuk hm? | 02:24 |
| woglinde | that was n810 | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | MikeJB: that's somewhat of a false image. | 02:24 |
| woglinde | and diablo | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | MikeJB: linux has been on phones way before FR | 02:24 |
| bfree | MikeJB: linux has been on phones for many many years, just most of them never left Japan | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | MikeJB: in a very polished way | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | a1200 forex | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Just not open | 02:25 |
| lcuk | woglinde, the nag screen might still work tho | 02:25 |
| woglinde | ~lart sb2 for over mount /opt/maemo | 02:25 |
| * infobot puts sb2 into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of sb2's hair of for over mount /opt/maemo | 02:25 | |
| MikeJB | SpeedEvil: I put "true" in front for a reason. | 02:25 |
| lcuk | cant remember, i know one was gotten rid of | 02:25 |
| woglinde | or even not | 02:25 |
| bfree | and most have been crippled and locked like every other phone any carrier wants to subsidise | 02:25 |
| shiznebit | the n900 isn't completely open either | 02:25 |
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| shiznebit | stupid imagination tech | 02:25 |
| shinkamui | dude, I almost bought the moto A1200 2 years ago | 02:26 |
| MikeJB | shinkamui: Linux Torvalds would probably disagree with you on that whole "Fedora sucks, you suck by association" reasoning | 02:26 |
| shinkamui | or maybe 3 years, I dont' remember | 02:26 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, I was only kidding bro :) | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | shinkamui: IIRC possibly more like 5 | 02:26 |
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| shinkamui | SpeedEvil, Im saying I almost bought it a few years ago, it had been long out, but it was during my quest to find a hand held linux device that was truely pocketable | 02:27 |
| MikeJB | By the way, Finland has the highest percent of Linux useage according to one stats website. | 02:27 |
| MikeJB | at around 4-5% | 02:27 |
| MikeJB | Therefore, Scandinavia would be a nice place to visit | 02:27 |
| SonicSpinner | dont waste ur time and money @ scandinavia lol | 02:28 |
| MikeJB | Found a hole in my logic? :P | 02:28 |
| mece | MikeJB, well, linux originated here, so I guess there's a reason there. Doesn't make it a nice place to visit. (Although it might be, all the same) | 02:28 |
| shinkamui | MikeJB, yea, but 4-5% of 50 people is still only like 2 people :-D | 02:28 |
| SonicSpinner | ull find out that the weather is same as the people | 02:28 |
| SonicSpinner | cold and gray :D | 02:28 |
| timeless_mbp | MikeJB: visiting is fine | 02:28 |
| timeless_mbp | living here is a different story | 02:28 |
| mece | aahaha exactly | 02:28 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, cinaest seems to be bugy here | 02:30 |
| mece | can dpkg not put files in MyDocs? | 02:31 |
| woglinde | mece sure it can | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: it shoudln't | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | MyDocs might not be available | 02:31 |
| woglinde | but thats breaking some policies | 02:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:33 |
| mece | woglinde, ok then. I guess I'll have to chown the files or something then. I had a couple of files, wanted them in opt, but they belonged to root, so user couldn't write to them, so I moved them to MyDocs to work around the problem | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | that's cheating | 02:35 |
| mece | figures. | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | MyDocs /happens/ to be VFAT | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | but please don't assume it will always be VFAT | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | if it isn't mounted, it'd actually land there owned by root | 02:35 |
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| mece | timeless_mbp, right, that would be a problem. So chown then... is that done in a post install script or something? I'm completely clueless about this. Just used py2deb to make the deb. | 02:36 |
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| javispedro | mece: just do it in debian/rules, install rule. | 02:37 |
| wazd | pleeease, can anybody shot some pics of Marina theme? :) | 02:37 |
| wazd | I know I'm annoying :) | 02:37 |
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| mece | javispedro, ok then. got a link to some documentation on that? | 02:39 |
| MikeJB | So Nokia is basically Finland's economy, right? | 02:39 |
| mece | MikeJB, pretty much | 02:40 |
| mece | went up yesterday. yay! | 02:40 |
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| javispedro | mece: it depends on how are you building the package. most often, you'll have to put there something like chmod perms $(CURDIR)/debian/package_name/usr/share/file.etc | 02:40 |
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| shiznebit | MikeJB: they have a ton of car racers | 02:41 |
| mece | shiznebit, but they don't pay taxes in finland... | 02:41 |
| mece | javispedro, ok, I'll examine the rules file generated by py2deb. | 02:42 |
| shiznebit | mece: didn't know that | 02:42 |
| mece | shiznebit, the bastards move to monaco as soon as they get a good deal. | 02:42 |
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| mece | shiznebit, at least the F1 drivers. The rally drivers might be a little more patriotic :) | 02:42 |
| ifreq | installing theme now wazd | 02:43 |
| wazd | ifreq: 0.99? | 02:43 |
| wazd | ifreq: great :) | 02:43 |
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| MikeJB | Wikipedia says that Nokia has 1/3 of the Helsinki stock exchange | 02:44 |
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| jebba | 2 billion profits Q4 2009 (!) | 02:45 |
| mece | pretty amazing that one... | 02:45 |
| mece | compared to the last one. | 02:45 |
| ifreq | wazd: do you need some scrshots? | 02:45 |
| ifreq | and from what exactly | 02:45 |
| wazd | ifreq: sure! | 02:45 |
| MikeJB | What's it like living in a company-country? | 02:45 |
| mece | You see a lot of nokia phones. | 02:45 |
| jebba | hahah | 02:46 |
| wazd | ifreq: input fields, notification, status area opened, anything you like | 02:46 |
| ifreq | ok sec | 02:46 |
| mece | MikeJB, Where do you live that's not a company country? | 02:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | single company country | 02:46 |
| MikeJB | mece: Okay, let me rephrase. A country where one company has a big plurality | 02:46 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, righty | 02:46 |
| MikeJB | Here in America it's a Fortune 500 country ;) | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | like india for example. | 02:46 |
| mece | hehe yep. | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | With the east india company | 02:46 |
| MikeJB | So do the conservative Finns basically remind people it's their patrotic duty to buy from Nokia? Or is that kinda nationalism unique to America these days? | 02:47 |
| wazd | MikeJB: Nokia is making good phones | 02:47 |
| MikeJB | I realize that. Basically 50% of the smart phone pie chart is Symbian, which kind of surprises me in an iPhone-is-the-hype world. | 02:48 |
| * ShadowJK suspects the left side finns are more into the "buy finnish" thing | 02:48 | |
| mece | MikeJB, mostly more left wingers buy domestic.. right ShadowJK | 02:49 |
| MikeJB | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone <- 50.3% right there. | 02:49 |
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| mece | MikeJB, yep, turns out north america is not the whole world after all :D | 02:50 |
| MikeJB | And yeah, that's really odd to an American. Here, I think it's mostly right wingers who try to hype the "buy domestic" thing. | 02:50 |
| ShadowJK | My previous Nokia E75 is still a good phone, the only problem is the apps (it's symbian so my favourite linux apps aren't there), and the small screen resolution :) | 02:50 |
| mece | MikeJB, our right wingers are your left wingers... | 02:50 |
| ShadowJK | If it had bigger screen res and ability to talk sensible protocols (ssh, rsync, openvpn), I'd get it.. oh wait, I did, it's called n900 :D | 02:50 |
| MikeJB | mece: And your left wingers are? | 02:50 |
| MikeJB | Full socialists? | 02:51 |
| mece | MikeJB, people who were thrown in prison in america in the 50ies. | 02:51 |
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| mece | MikeJB, no, but more socialist than left wing americans. | 02:51 |
| ShadowJK | MikeJB, they have "social" in their name. Except for the real communist party who calls themselves "Leftist party" now | 02:51 |
| mece | ShadowJK, who is that? | 02:52 |
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| ShadowJK | vasemmistopuolue? | 02:52 |
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| mece | ShadowJK, I wouldn't call them communists. | 02:52 |
| MikeJB | So, Finland fought the Russians (and thus was on the German side?) in both World Wars? This is facinating since here in the US, history clearly shows the Germans as bad guys, but from the little of Finnish history I've read, the Russians were clearly the instigators against Finland. | 02:52 |
| ShadowJK | mece, they used to have "communist" in their name I think? | 02:52 |
| ShadowJK | MikeJB, finland was at some point or another, at war with both "sides" ;-) | 02:53 |
| ShadowJK | including germany | 02:53 |
| MikeJB | That's really interesting, actually. Finland was kind of caught in the middle of Europe, I guess. | 02:53 |
| mece | ShadowJK, that might be yes, in the 70ies when communism was a thing. There actually was a real communist party recently. it died out. | 02:53 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 02:54 |
| MikeJB | Because the Soviets basically failed to conquer Finland? | 02:54 |
| ShadowJK | Now there's only the "True Finns" lunatics left :) (sorry if someone votes for htem) | 02:54 |
| MikeJB | But wanted to conquer Finland? | 02:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | The house unamerican activitied committee in the US was wacky. I much preferred the blackadder unamerican activities one. | 02:55 |
| mece | ShadowJK, arent those guys extreme right wing? | 02:55 |
| MikeJB | I find Finnish history interesting because it's usually really unique when compared to the rest of Europe's history. | 02:55 |
| ShadowJK | mece, I think they're extreme trolls? | 02:55 |
| mece | ShadowJK, pretty much. | 02:55 |
| ifreq | wazd: any use: http://deviate.fi/n900/screenshots/ ? :P | 02:57 |
| ShadowJK | I read somewhere that the majority of election campaign funding in the 60s and 70s came either from the CIA or from the KGB :) | 02:57 |
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| MikeJB | So is there any big deal about Karelia that was basically stolen from Finland? | 02:59 |
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| mece | MikeJB, not anymore | 02:59 |
| ifreq | no big deals | 02:59 |
| ifreq | wazd: poke | 02:59 |
| ShadowJK | not really | 02:59 |
| MikeJB | That's why Europe has a very odd-mindset to Americans. I'd bet Americans would *still* be complaining about it. :P | 03:00 |
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| ShadowJK | There are one or two trolls bringing it up now and then | 03:00 |
| apol | is it possible to upload maps from linux hosts? | 03:00 |
| apol | to the device i mean | 03:00 |
| wazd | ifreq: awesome! | 03:01 |
| wazd | ifreq: if only you could shot the browser - that would be perfect | 03:01 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast here where I live (west coast finland), there's an organisation that makes yearly trips to Karelia with what you'd call "relief" supplies, to help out poor schools and poor neighbourhoods there | 03:01 |
| ifreq | wazd: yeah sure | 03:01 |
| ifreq | sec | 03:01 |
| ifreq | just browser window? humm | 03:01 |
| MikeJB | How was Finland in the Cold War? | 03:01 |
| wazd | ifreq: yep | 03:01 |
| MikeJB | it doesn't fit neatly into any categorizations I learned in European history. | 03:01 |
| glass | MikeJB: as a gateway to ussr | 03:02 |
| * wazd wants to lick his screen :P | 03:02 | |
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| ShadowJK | MikeJB, "politically correct". | 03:03 |
| glass | MikeJB: just read about kekkonen, thats post ww2 finnish politics pre-crash-of-ussr | 03:03 |
| MikeJB | I don't understand Finland's role in the 20th century. It doesn't fit into the black-and-white American mindset. | 03:03 |
| wazd | ifreq: ohoh, and 2 notifications, email (appears in the app swithcer view) and ordinary (volume and stuff) | 03:03 |
| glass | MikeJB: basically finland avoided warsaw pact(being occupied) but a lot of politics was dictated by ussr and/or what people thought ussr wants | 03:04 |
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| ShadowJK | MikeJB, If .fi bought 64 fighter jets, 32 were from Soviet and 32 from West :-) | 03:05 |
| MikeJB | So which side of the "iron curtain" was it on? | 03:05 |
| MikeJB | This goes against everything Americans teach in history textbooks! | 03:05 |
| MikeJB | :P | 03:05 |
| ShadowJK | on the western side if any | 03:05 |
| Corsac | hmhm, app manager isn't supposed to upgrade everything? | 03:05 |
| glass | MikeJB: west, but with lot of trade to ussr | 03:05 |
| Corsac | (running apt-get upgrade shows upgrades are available) | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | You could even visit soviet as a tourist | 03:06 |
| MikeJB | ... | 03:06 |
| MikeJB | You have just killed the entire black-and-white way they teach history here. | 03:06 |
| glass | it was pretty popular too. my grandparents went | 03:06 |
| MikeJB | The entire 20th century is basically definied as A vs. B throughout all of European history. | 03:07 |
| ShadowJK | The militia stormed the tourist buss, collected everyone's passports and wallets, counted everybody's money, and then gave them back. They did the same thing when the tourist buss was about to return to .fi. Except they wanted receipts to account for all the missing money. | 03:07 |
| glass | some of the youth viewed ussr as a paradise, but well, propaganda does wonders and rebelling without a cause | 03:07 |
| MikeJB | and Finland is basically C | 03:07 |
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| ShadowJK | Apparently "I spent it all on vodka and all I got was a hangover" was the only valid excuse for not being able to account for the money spent | 03:07 |
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| MikeJB | lol | 03:08 |
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| MikeJB | So Finland was basically *above* the iron curtain? It just didn't extend that high? :P | 03:08 |
| ifreq | wazd: added 3 more pics on http://deviate.fi/n900/screenshots/ | 03:08 |
| glass | MikeJB: finland did some quite careful manouvering to stay unoccupied, or thats the general feeling for the reason for the things that were done | 03:09 |
| MikeJB | Finland = that space between the end of a curtain and the ceiling? | 03:09 |
| glass | MikeJB: and besides, st petersburg has to get it's supplies somewhere | 03:09 |
| mece | javispedro, still there? | 03:09 |
| glass | at least the rich | 03:09 |
| javispedro | mece: yep | 03:09 |
| wazd | ifreq: gorgeous :) | 03:10 |
| wazd | ifreq: what's your opinion btw? | 03:10 |
| ShadowJK | MikeJB, half of .fi's nuclear powerplants were built by a soviet company, to .fi safety standards.. It's said there'd been many more chernobyls hadn't the soviets taken home the safety thinking :) | 03:10 |
| ifreq | wazd: i like it :) going to continue using | 03:10 |
| ifreq | like when someone put effort to make full theme | 03:10 |
| glass | ShadowJK: actually there was a very intresting forum post about that | 03:10 |
| ShadowJK | glass, oh do you remember a link? | 03:10 |
| wazd | ifreq: yeah, that was really tough :) | 03:11 |
| glass | ShadowJK: nope but it was in finnish | 03:11 |
| ShadowJK | that's okay | 03:11 |
| mece | javispedro, i got a lot of mkdir and cp lines in the rules file, so should I just do the chown pointed at the same file as the cp before did? | 03:11 |
| wazd | ifreq: especially without the device :D | 03:11 |
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| MikeJB | ShadowJK: So what was Finland's economics like? | 03:11 |
| glass | ShadowJK: written by some di that was doing it.. basically they didn't get all the manuals and such and a lot of the parts and automation design was done in finland | 03:11 |
| MikeJB | The part that isn't Nokia ;) | 03:11 |
| ifreq | wazd: haha wheres your device man :) | 03:11 |
| javispedro | mece: if the target file is in ../debian/something/... then yes | 03:11 |
| glass | but it was purely political that it was ussr tech at all | 03:12 |
| mece | javispedro, cool thanks. I'll try that. | 03:12 |
| javispedro | mece: also take care of dh_fixperms, you may have to put your instructions after it. | 03:12 |
| wazd | ifreq: well, I just don't have one :) | 03:12 |
| ifreq | wazd: hope you get one soon :P | 03:12 |
| glass | MikeJB: metal, paper, chems | 03:12 |
| ShadowJK | MikeJB, some funny stuff too, when Nokia wanted to export a digital telephone central to Moscow, CIA got a sniff about it and was very upset about such high technology being exported to soviet. Eventually it was allowed with the condition that nokia lets CIA know the exact location of the exchanges they installed ;P | 03:12 |
| wazd | ifreq: don't think so :) | 03:12 |
| wazd | ifreq: it's too expensive in here | 03:12 |
| wazd | ifreq: around $1k | 03:12 |
| glass | MikeJB: finlands industry got kickstarted by paying ussr a lot of train locomotives etc as war repraials(war-repayments??) | 03:12 |
| ifreq | wazd: yeh understoodable :P | 03:12 |
| MikeJB | glass: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations <- that? | 03:13 |
| glass | MikeJB: yeh | 03:13 |
| MikeJB | Just a quick wikipedia search | 03:13 |
| ShadowJK | Oh I heard a funny story about the war compensations. So they had to build alot of ships for the soviet navy, and they wanted Saunas in them. The soviets demanded the seats be made out of copper (probably the most expensive crazy thing they came up with)... Well just imagine sitting down on metal in 80C room... they quickly went back to wood | 03:13 |
| wazd | ifreq: if you'll notice anything wrong - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32761&page=8 | 03:14 |
| glass | MikeJB: but it's like this, st petersburg which is a stones throw away has as many people as all of finland | 03:14 |
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| MikeJB | ShadowJK: lol | 03:14 |
| glass | ShadowJK: haha ouch | 03:14 |
| ifreq | wazd: yeh will do, can i remove the pics now? | 03:14 |
| wazd | wait a bit, I'll save em | 03:15 |
| ifreq | goodie | 03:15 |
| MikeJB | I really want to visit Finland sometime now. Europe has so much history America just doesn't have. | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, it does. | 03:15 |
| MikeJB | A little ocean kinda kept us away from everything for a very long time. | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just most of it wasn't written down | 03:15 |
| ifreq | MikeJB: seen any fi movies ? | 03:15 |
| ifreq | ie war movies | 03:15 |
| ifreq | like winter war | 03:15 |
| ShadowJK | they mostly suck | 03:16 |
| wazd | ifreq: clear | 03:16 |
| ifreq | ok done. | 03:16 |
| MikeJB | So is like 90% of Finland concentrated in a certain geographic region? | 03:17 |
| wazd | oh those Americans... :P | 03:17 |
| lcuk | MikeJB, yeah, mostly within the finnish border :D lol | 03:18 |
| mece | javispedro, hmm well it didn't give any errors, but when i dpkg -i'd the deb file the files that were supposed to be chowned, were still owned by root, so apparently that's not the way to do it. | 03:18 |
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| javispedro | mece: pastebin your debian/rules files | 03:19 |
| javispedro | *file. | 03:19 |
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| mece | javispedro, http://pastebin.com/d77c5400a | 03:20 |
| pupnik_ | hi t-online germany is blocking DNS for /www.komachose.com/ | 03:20 |
| pupnik_ | german internet censorship blocking / redirecting dns lookups for /www.komachose.com/ | 03:21 |
| pupnik_ | o/ | 03:21 |
| javispedro | mece: move the chowns after the dh_fixperms line | 03:21 |
| javispedro | mece: also, you may want to consider putting that files in $HOME. | 03:22 |
| javispedro | (or copying them to $HOME when the user first launches the application) | 03:22 |
| pupnik_ | some good music there, oh well | 03:23 |
| mece | javispedro, ok, so we should have the csv files in home? | 03:23 |
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| MikeJB | What happened to Nokia's stock? It seems to have peaked around 2007... | 03:24 |
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| javispedro | mece: i don't know what you're using them for | 03:25 |
| inz | MikeJB, 770 was superceded by N800 in 2007... | 03:26 |
| inz | ;) | 03:26 |
| mece | javispedro, just storing information about comic strips. urls filenames and such. they are modified every now and then from the program. | 03:26 |
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| javispedro | mece: so they're user settings? | 03:26 |
| mece | javispedro, no, totally automagical | 03:26 |
| javispedro | so they're some kind of cache files. | 03:27 |
| mece | javispedro, yes. very much so. | 03:27 |
| MikeJB | I guess 2008 was the year the global economy took a hit. | 03:27 |
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| javispedro | mece: then don't ship them, and create them when the user first runs the apps under home. | 03:27 |
| javispedro | mece: that would be "the ideal thing". | 03:27 |
| mece | javispedro, yes, but it makes the program work better if you have them. | 03:27 |
| xorAxAx | pupnik_: i cannot resolv that name | 03:28 |
| xorAxAx | pupnik_: with my own recursive dns server | 03:28 |
| javispedro | mece: so you could make it copy the files from /usr/share/your_ap/file.csv to $HOME/.file.csv if the latter doesn't exist, then write all "cache updates" to the latter file. | 03:28 |
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| mece | javispedro, yes, that sounds like a pretty good idea. | 03:29 |
| mece | javispedro, no need for chowns then, if I let the app create the files. | 03:30 |
| mece | and I don't even need to modify the rules file :) | 03:31 |
| javispedro | and one change less you'll have to make if for any reason you want to ever run the application under desktop linux | 03:31 |
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| MikeJB | Ooooh, here's a line you nokia people might like from the CIA World Factbook on Finland (isn't the CIA a lovely organization, compiling all this information on the web on all countries for free in order to better humanity?) | 03:34 |
| MikeJB | "Finland excels in high-tech exports such as mobile phones." | 03:34 |
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| MikeJB | Putting internet users over population, 83.5% of people in Finland use the Internet, which is higher than the 75% here in the US (although we have more people using the Internet) | 03:40 |
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| inz | MikeJB, you have more people using the Internet than we have poeple. | 03:42 |
| MikeJB | inz: My state (provinces in every other country in the world), which is 19th in population, has about as many people as Finland with 5.7 million | 03:43 |
| MikeJB | I bet your crime rate is lower though | 03:44 |
| derf | There's other countries that call them "states". | 03:46 |
| TomTom_ | australia for one | 03:46 |
| MikeJB | Probably copying the US, like other countries who have the "dollar" | 03:46 |
| MikeJB | australia for one | 03:46 |
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| derf | Yeah, you go tell them that. | 03:47 |
| derf | They'll go complain about our money that's all the same size and color and our inability to hold federal elections with a uniform procedure. | 03:49 |
| inz | MikeJB, province and state are somewhat different things | 03:49 |
| TomTom_ | I just added the devel repo to install drnoksnes as there were dependancys. I'm just wondering what other apps people would recommend from this repo that are stable and good | 03:50 |
| TomTom_ | I am afraid of borking my phone | 03:50 |
| TomTom_ | for fremantle | 03:51 |
| inz | MikeJB, and indeed Australia has states, as has, for example, Germany | 03:51 |
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| inz | MikeJB, Finland has provinces though =) | 03:51 |
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| TomTom_ | as does Ireland | 03:52 |
| shinkamui | tomtom: everything! | 03:53 |
| TomTom_ | and counties | 03:53 |
| shinkamui | just keep in mind a lot of stuff in devel isn't optified | 03:53 |
| shinkamui | so be sure not to reboot before verifying the root isn't full | 03:53 |
| derf | What do I know. I live in a commonwealth. | 03:53 |
| MikeJB | inz: I know, province *implies* central government while state implies a more federal system. | 03:53 |
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| TomTom_ | aye, thats the other thing also. with stuff being non optified, alot of ports probably fall under this title? | 03:54 |
| shinkamui | lol | 03:54 |
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| shinkamui | pretty much | 03:54 |
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| shinkamui | take it one install at a time | 03:54 |
| MikeJB | America is such a monolinguistic country. | 03:54 |
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| TomTom_ | ahh hell, where to start | 03:55 |
| shinkamui | I suggest you start with mypaint | 03:55 |
| shinkamui | easily the greatest paint application ever made | 03:55 |
| shinkamui | second only to the gimp | 03:55 |
| TomTom_ | any remote control apps in there? | 03:56 |
| shinkamui | qtirreco | 03:56 |
| shinkamui | not a fan though, none of my stuff is in there :) | 03:56 |
| shinkamui | also the remote control server lirc can kill your battery if you dont make sure to kill it when you're done | 03:57 |
| shinkamui | that could be fixed in the latest version though | 03:57 |
| TomTom_ | ta very much | 03:57 |
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| inz | MikeJB, you have relatively more spanish speakers (12%), than we have swedish speakers (6%), yet we're concidered bilingual ;) | 03:57 |
| inz | Or linguistic, whatever | 03:58 |
| TomTom_ | <-- looking at all the apps.... lost | 03:58 |
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| MikeJB | inz: Imagine if our largest company did all of our documentation and internal communication in another language. | 03:58 |
| shinkamui | I think hte joke is that most americans only speak 1 language | 03:58 |
| MikeJB | I don't understand one thing about Finland: why is it the leftists who encourage people to buy domestic? I thought the left was internationalist? | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | MikeJB: 'left' and 'right' are utmost bullshit labels. | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | They mean very different things in different countries. | 03:59 |
| TomTom_ | damn, was about to say that | 03:59 |
| TomTom_ | hate this right and left thing | 03:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | And even in countries whrere they mostly mean the same - there may be glaring differences in the smaller policies. | 04:00 |
| shiznebit | once 50/50 comes out, im sure every scener and avid pirater is gonna be using it | 04:01 |
| inz | MikeJB, our largest company uses quite a bit of it's completely own language in internal communication: Nokianglish | 04:01 |
| TomTom_ | 50/50? | 04:02 |
| MikeJB | inz: Nokianglish? Wikipedia doesn't say that. ;P | 04:02 |
| shiznebit | TomTom_: sorry wrong channel | 04:02 |
| TomTom_ | ok | 04:02 |
| glass | it's better than nokfinnish | 04:02 |
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| MikeJB | I really love this channel's community. I can't believe I've killed so many hours. | 04:03 |
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| TomTom_ | this devel list is long | 04:10 |
| shinkamui | tomtom do you see quake 1 in devel | 04:10 |
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| TomTom_ | one sec | 04:11 |
| TomTom_ | nope | 04:12 |
| shinkamui | damn, its supposed to be there now | 04:12 |
| TomTom_ | I found quake 3 and open arena | 04:13 |
| shinkamui | yep, those I think are just in extras | 04:13 |
| shinkamui | there's also a LOT of debs on the tmo that aren't in any repo | 04:14 |
| shinkamui | like stratagus, freeRA, and Warzone 2100 | 04:14 |
| shinkamui | surprisingly red alert actually runs pretty well too | 04:15 |
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| TomTom_ | ohhh red alert | 04:17 |
| TomTom_ | now there is a blast from the past | 04:17 |
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| anpr | hi there guys | 04:21 |
| anpr | hi there guys | 04:22 |
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| TomTom_ | hi | 04:25 |
| anpr | sup ? :) | 04:26 |
| TomTom_ | not much | 04:28 |
| TomTom_ | in work, bored | 04:28 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: just seen geneven and his useful contributions.... I understand why you like the guy so much! | 04:57 |
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| ShadowJK | heh, didn't notice it before... | 05:03 |
| ShadowJK | free turn by turn navigation under development, target milestone harmattan | 05:03 |
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| TomTom_ | is maemo 5 going to be largely ignored by nokia? | 05:05 |
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| ShadowJK | there's a team bugfixing maemo5 and a team creating maemo6 | 05:07 |
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| TomTom_ | I mean as regards apps, like the navigation | 05:10 |
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| shinkamui | is using kmplayer for flash content slower than using the browser | 05:15 |
| shinkamui | ? | 05:15 |
| shinkamui | I tried to play stair fall in km player and it was slow as ballsweat | 05:15 |
| ShadowJK | I guess you have an answer then | 05:16 |
| shinkamui | nope, I dont. I haven't tried it in the browser, im anti browser in genral | 05:16 |
| shinkamui | general | 05:16 |
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| ShadowJK | I'd actually expect kmplayer to be faster at it | 05:18 |
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| shinkamui | thats what i read, and I wanted to use kmplayer so I could make a couple of flash games standalone and put them in my menu | 05:18 |
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| shinkamui | oh well, my dream has been shattered | 05:19 |
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| shinkamui | wow, its definately worse in the browser, dropped from 4-6 fps down to 1 fps | 05:21 |
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| ShadowJK | games don't wokrk in kmplayer | 05:23 |
| crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=503314#post503314 | 05:23 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=503314#post503314 | 05:23 |
| ShadowJK | or if they do, they'd be using the flash plugin and have same performance as in browser.. | 05:24 |
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| eean | .flv is just another video file format, supporting flash video says nothing about supporting interactive flash content :) | 05:26 |
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| crashanddie | ~ping | 05:42 |
| infobot | ~pong | 05:42 |
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| crashanddie | good bot | 05:43 |
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| crashanddie | ~cookie | 05:45 |
| infobot | Hey crashanddie, port 3080 is stm_pproc - stm_pproc | 05:45 |
| crashanddie | ~botsnack | 05:45 |
| infobot | aw, gee, crashanddie | 05:45 |
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| crashanddie | DJEEZUS PEOPLE TALK | 06:04 |
| TomTom_ | no | 06:04 |
| crashanddie | yes | 06:05 |
| crashanddie | finally got one! | 06:05 |
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| zerojay | balls. | 06:19 |
| crashanddie | zerojay: kids? | 06:19 |
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| zerojay | Got one, sure. | 06:19 |
| crashanddie | zerojay: we needz yous | 06:20 |
| crashanddie | zerojay: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42581 | 06:20 |
| zerojay | What do you want me to say? | 06:23 |
| crashanddie | your mind | 06:23 |
| crashanddie | speak freely my friend | 06:23 |
| crashanddie | unleash the power of one | 06:23 |
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| zerojay | Not sure if I feel like diving into a 6 page thread right now. | 06:27 |
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| crashanddie | we miss youuuuuuuu :( | 06:28 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles without zerojay is like Bonnie without Clyde | 06:28 |
| crashanddie | (note that I'm not specifying who's the woman) | 06:29 |
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| zerojay | crashanddie: lol, you bastard. | 06:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Could have been worse. Thelma and Louise. | 06:57 |
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| crashanddie | i luv you too zerojay | 07:01 |
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| crashanddie | what the fuck is it people leaving and joining all the time? | 08:07 |
| derf | It's IRC? | 08:07 |
| crashanddie | ~burn derf | 08:07 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over derf, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 08:07 | |
| shamus | it's called a netsplit | 08:08 |
| shamus | and the stuck | 08:08 |
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| crashanddie | shamus: no, a netsplit is when two servers lose connection to each other | 08:09 |
| crashanddie | it's just that since they switched to ircd-seven, it seems like everyone has the most unstable connections ever | 08:09 |
| shamus | ahhh | 08:09 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 08:10 | |
| * timeless_mbp looks for someone w/ an n900 | 08:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | (and probably 10 mins of time) | 08:10 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: what'd'ya need, bitch | 08:10 |
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| Khertan | good morning | 08:13 |
| Khertan | Does there is a way with specifics information of the n900 ovi store | 08:14 |
| Khertan | s/a way/a link, document | 08:14 |
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| crashanddie | s/Does/Is/ | 08:16 |
| Khertan | yep too :) | 08:17 |
| Khertan | i m tired :) | 08:17 |
| Khertan | there is nothing about n900 on http://publish.ovi.com/info | 08:18 |
| Khertan | is it a specific ovi store ? | 08:18 |
| ieatlint | i have to wonder if there would ever be a hope of actual income from the ovi store... the number of people running maemo5 devices i imagine is pretty few | 08:20 |
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| crashanddie | ieatlint: can you do me a favour? | 08:21 |
| ieatlint | potentially | 08:21 |
| crashanddie | shut the fuck up | 08:21 |
| ieatlint | you're so nice :) | 08:22 |
| crashanddie | you have no idea how many people bought an n900 | 08:22 |
| crashanddie | so please don't give negative prognostics based on anything else but your ignorance | 08:22 |
| ieatlint | that would indeed be my wondering | 08:22 |
| crashanddie | considering the n810 sold over 300k | 08:22 |
| crashanddie | i think we can fairly assume the n900 will sell around over a couple million worldwide | 08:23 |
| crashanddie | within the next year or two | 08:23 |
| Khertan | considering currently there is few app ... there is more chance to made sell than on iPhone | 08:23 |
| ieatlint | well, i'll certainly agree to not pursue this topic now or again | 08:23 |
| jebba | my etch rebuilds have hit m* | 08:23 |
| ieatlint | i'm also admittedly not planning on selling anything on the ovi store | 08:24 |
| crashanddie | ieatlint: actually, the whole principle around which those software shops are based is quite different from the usual | 08:25 |
| crashanddie | usually, software sold for around $60, now it's more between $1 and $10 | 08:25 |
| crashanddie | I asked a few friends to collect their stats around how much they spent on their iPhone (granted, we're a pretty wealthy group) | 08:26 |
| ieatlint | true, but the development involved in the $60 software has classically been far greater, and the distrubtion costs of makings boxes, shipping them and selling them at retail also added quite abit | 08:26 |
| crashanddie | ieatlint: indeed, but distribution costs have been killed with the likes of Steam, yet prices are still around $80 for a brand new game! | 08:26 |
| crashanddie | on average, they would spend $30 - $50 per month on apps on their iPhone | 08:26 |
| ieatlint | but with often just one developer taking the money, and the distribution costs being a loss to the dev, it's reasonable to assume that it will bring in a larger percentage yield | 08:27 |
| crashanddie | however, when I "pranked them", exclaiming that Apple was going to offer a "monthly subscription fee, giving access to an app per day for $30", they immediately said they wouldn't want it | 08:27 |
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| crashanddie | apparently, it's a lot easier to spend 15 times $2 than it is to spend once $30, for exactly the same product | 08:28 |
| ieatlint | yeah, starbucks figured that one out | 08:28 |
| microlith | crashanddie: depends, usually with a subscription when it expires you lose access to what you had | 08:28 |
| microlith | maybe they assumed as such | 08:29 |
| crashanddie | I actually saw the same thing when I was in school | 08:29 |
| ieatlint | anyway, it wasn't meant to be negative... | 08:29 |
| crashanddie | I would buy cigarettes in Spain and sell them in France | 08:29 |
| ieatlint | you're talking to someone who seems to go for the niche though... i was an openmoko dev who even was even helping run their linuxworld booth, heh | 08:29 |
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| crashanddie | I would buy them for 20 euros per carton, and have different pricing schemes: 20c for a single cigarette, 4euros per pack, or 30 euros per carton | 08:30 |
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| crashanddie | I never had a single student buy a whole carton | 08:31 |
| crashanddie | however, I'd have tons of people buying 10 or 20 cigarettes in singles | 08:31 |
| ieatlint | classy :P | 08:31 |
| ieatlint | they actually banned the sale of individual cigarettes here | 08:32 |
| crashanddie | ieatlint: yeah, reselling illegally imported cigarettes isn't exactly allowed either | 08:32 |
| Khertan | lol crashanddie | 08:32 |
| crashanddie | reselling cigarettes paid for my own cigarettes and transport for my whole highschool | 08:32 |
| ieatlint | quite the dealer | 08:32 |
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| * Pavel isn't really worried about the viability of app store and such. It would be sad if the Nokia didn't release system upgrades for N900 beyond Maemo 5, which, I guess, would leave Maemo 5 essentially a one-device transitional OS, limiting the number of apps available for the N900, but who can resist a cell phone with APT? | 08:33 | |
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| Khertan | you mean like palm whuch do one os one device without major upgrade :) | 08:34 |
| ieatlint | eh, i'm using it as a platform where i can write apps in c without learning extremely proprietary apis... and it's awesome | 08:34 |
| Khertan | from the beginning t was clear that maemo 6 will not run on n900 | 08:34 |
| ieatlint | maemo6 is switching to qt right? | 08:36 |
| Pavel | Khertan: Sure, but every version was binary-compatible with _all_ previous versions. | 08:36 |
| ieatlint | should be a sketchy backwards compatibility... the maemo 5 apps will look off even with the gtk/hildon libs present in a qt environment | 08:36 |
| Khertan | Pavel : haha you never dev for Palm to said that | 08:36 |
| crashanddie | ieatlint: Qt will be the default yes, however i'd bet my lunch money that gtk will still be available for retro-compat | 08:37 |
| Khertan | there api break also on minor version on the last garnet release | 08:37 |
| crashanddie | as much as Qt is available now | 08:37 |
| ieatlint | crashanddie, i'm sure, but i am wondering how well it will visually integrate | 08:37 |
| * crashanddie thinks of undusting the php-gtk bindings :D | 08:37 | |
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| ieatlint | lol | 08:38 |
| ieatlint | php-gtk sounds awesome | 08:38 |
| crashanddie | most efficient language ever | 08:38 |
| crashanddie | NOT | 08:38 |
| Pavel | Khertan: Fair enough, but I've gone through, I think, 5 PalmOS devices, starting from one of the original Hansdpsring Visors and ending in a Z22, and have never had an app stop working after an upgrade. | 08:38 |
| ieatlint | perl gtk or php gtk ... which is better? :P | 08:38 |
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| ieatlint | or how about with openmoko... bring out out the enlightenment libs | 08:39 |
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| Khertan | test | 08:46 |
| Khertan | ~ping | 08:46 |
| infobot | ~pong | 08:46 |
| Pavel | WB. | 08:48 |
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| * Khertan still hesitate to made a free game with donation (potentially none) or put it to ovi at 50 cents | 08:50 | |
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| RST38h | Khertan: You figured out how to put stuff on ovi? | 09:09 |
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| johnsu01 | hm, can't get networking inside scratchbox to work anymore | 09:57 |
| johnsu01 | resolv.conf is correct | 09:57 |
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| mgedmin | johnsu01, there are two independent resolv confs: target's /etc/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 10:20 |
| johnsu01 | hmmm that might be it | 10:21 |
| johnsu01 | mgedmin: yes, thanks, forgot abotu that one | 10:22 |
| johnsu01 | (the one in /scratchbox) | 10:22 |
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| * Khertan still hesitate to made a free game with donation (potentially none) or put it to ovi at 50 cents | 10:35 | |
| Khertan | as there is 50$ entry right | 10:36 |
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| Khertan | ~ping | 10:42 |
| kuriiri | ~pong | 10:43 |
| infobot | ~pong | 10:43 |
| infobot | ~ping | 10:43 |
| Khertan | thx i don t if people read me due to the registration needed | 10:43 |
| Khertan | s/don t /dont know | 10:43 |
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| kirma | hum. small flock of dust particles has wandered middle of my n900 screen and settled there during the night... any suggestions what to do, or better just not do anything? | 10:48 |
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| RST38h | [6~ | 10:57 |
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| crashanddie | anyone watching the game? | 11:07 |
| crashanddie | (federer vs murray) | 11:07 |
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| embedded | hi all | 11:12 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 11:31 | |
| timeless_mbp | the cell modem menu thing changed stuff | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | now i have to figure out what the heck to do w/ my translations | 11:31 |
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| sgbirch | what is the best way to use IRC on the N900? Currently using xchat. | 11:36 |
| mtrlt | i prefer putting irssi on a server and then connecting to it using ssh | 11:37 |
| mtrlt | that way you never miss conversations as irssi is running all the time | 11:37 |
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| * timeless_mbp does the same | 11:38 | |
| sgbirch | ok | 11:38 |
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| mtrlt | and i bought my N810 primarily because that way i could IRC everywhere :-) | 11:39 |
| sgbirch | I have learning curve issue. maybe it is time for me to learn that | 11:39 |
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| sgbirch | I would love text to speech IRC so I can listen while driving | 11:40 |
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| wazd | heya everyone | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 12:17 |
| frals | morning | 12:18 |
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| wazd | can anybody confirm this? http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6688&stc=1&d=1264932640 | 12:22 |
| wazd | transparent contacts | 12:22 |
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| Corsac | which theme? | 12:26 |
| wazd | Corsac: Marina | 12:26 |
| Corsac | let me try | 12:26 |
| wazd | Corsac: It's in Testing now | 12:26 |
| Corsac | I have devel activated anyway | 12:27 |
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| Corsac | now, they seem displayed correctly here | 12:27 |
| Corsac | funny, I don't have the same battery icon as you | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | aarrgghh | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | just when it's the bloody final internet keeps dropping out... and TV as well! | 12:29 |
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| Corsac | wazd: but right clic / long tap is broken in Marina here | 12:30 |
| Corsac | just a black box is displayed | 12:30 |
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| vasily_pupkin | is tear for diablo dead? | 12:31 |
| mjec | hey guys, I made a booboo messing with extras-devel, need a bit of help | 12:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, N800 sold over 300k. | 12:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, and, yes, I love geneven. | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, hey, could be worse. Could be Harold and Maude. ;) | 12:32 |
| mjec | I tried to install smbfs and got an error trying to do post-install config, now I'm stuck with a half-install package | 12:32 |
| mjec | have tried (to no avail): apt-get -f install, reinstall, remove, clean and dpkg --reconfigure --pending | 12:33 |
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| mjec | offending package is samba-common. Anyone have either a functioning .deb or suggestions on how to manually kill it? | 12:33 |
| Hoxzer | what is the command for xterm ? | 12:33 |
| Hoxzer | on maemo5 | 12:33 |
| mjec | Hoxzer: I believe it's /usr/bin/osso-xterm | 12:34 |
| Hoxzer | mjec: thank you | 12:34 |
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| wazd | Corsac: huh? | 12:40 |
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| wazd | Corsac: I don't have any battery icon btw :) | 12:41 |
| Corsac | wazd: your battery display in the home status area | 12:41 |
| wazd | Corsac: that's not my shot, I've no device | 12:42 |
| Corsac | oh ok | 12:42 |
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| wazd | Corsac: can you shot the rightclick menu please? | 12:42 |
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| * RST38h moos at wazd | 12:43 | |
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| * wazd oinks at RST38h :) | 12:44 | |
| sp3000 | moo > oom | 12:44 |
| Corsac | what's the shortcut again? | 12:44 |
| moo-_- | 3000ps | 12:44 |
| wazd | Corsac: ctrl+shift+p I guess | 12:44 |
| * sp3000 blinks | 12:44 | |
| * RST38h wonders why http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41623 is offtopic? | 12:45 | |
| wazd | RST38h: can you test Marina a bit? :) | 12:46 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I already did =) | 12:47 |
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| wazd | RST38h: oh, 1.0? | 12:47 |
| RST38h | Dunno, you want me to try one from the repo? | 12:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: it's in Extras-Testing now | 12:47 |
| RST38h | Ok, a moment | 12:47 |
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| Corsac | wazd: seems I can't do a screenshot when right clicking | 12:48 |
| Corsac | at least the shortcut doesn't work | 12:48 |
| Corsac | wazd: can I triger that from ssh? | 12:48 |
| wazd | Corsac: I'm not sure | 12:50 |
| wazd | anyone? :) | 12:50 |
| RST38h | installed, etting | 12:50 |
| RST38h | setting | 12:50 |
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| crashanddie | god I really want murray to win | 12:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ok, you want comments here? | 12:51 |
| RST38h | crash: who is murray? | 12:51 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: tennis player, australian open final | 12:51 |
| RST38h | oh | 12:51 |
| crashanddie | federer (swiss) vs murray (uk) | 12:52 |
| RST38h | ah just give each his own ball and leave them alone... | 12:52 |
| crashanddie | 3rd set, 6-3, 6-4 for federer till now, 40-15 | 12:52 |
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| pillar_ | crashanddie: not looking likely though | 12:53 |
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| crashanddie | pillar_: I can't watch it.... digital video in the hotel just gave up | 12:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: The blue used to emphasize selections, volume bars, and buttons is too dark and discolored, looks almost gray | 12:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: where have you been all this time :D | 12:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: The checkboxes do not have actuall checkmarks, they just go blue when checked | 12:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, as I previously noted, I do not like the theme =( | 12:54 |
| pillar_ | crashanddie: I'n just following teletext since it's not shown here | 12:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: The glossy buttons look like they are made of two halves, and the bottom half disappears on dark backgrounds | 12:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: what checkboxes? | 12:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: there are many | 12:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: The phone buttons (Call, End, etc) are also almost gray, difficult to distinguish from the rest | 12:55 |
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| RST38h | wazd: plenty of checkboxes in Settings :) | 12:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: can you take a shot? | 12:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm sure it's a bug | 12:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: try to reboot or something | 12:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: The task switcher icon (left upper corner) looks like the bottom squares are smaller than top squares probably due to the gloss | 12:56 |
| * Corsac restarts hildon-desktop | 12:56 | |
| RST38h | wazd: the background is too bright at the left-top corner where status area is, that and the vista-like gloss make status area less visible | 12:57 |
| crashanddie | pillar_: go on australianopen.com you can view the scores directly and listen to the commentary | 12:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: you want screenshot of checkbuttons? | 12:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I think that's the first time geneven's ever admitted I wasn't just being a Nazi. ;) | 12:58 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep | 12:58 |
| RST38h | coming up, a moment | 12:58 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: where? | 12:58 |
| wazd | RST38h: thanks | 12:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, in that Red Pill thread of his. | 12:59 |
| pillar_ | crashanddie: thanks | 12:59 |
| * RST38h isn't sure why threads like this one are moved to offtopic | 12:59 | |
| RST38h | No matter how weird geneven is, the thread is still pretty much ontopic | 12:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha! http://engadget.com/exclude/apple/ | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it's just so I can't karma whore by laying down the awesome points. :P | 13:00 |
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| RST38h | Ah | 13:01 |
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| RST38h | wazd: sent | 13:01 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I really tried being nice in that post | 13:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: oh one more problem | 13:01 |
| wazd | RST38h: heh, that's actually a checkmark :D | 13:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: the little gear that is shown on the "edit desktop" button has background that is lighter than the button backgeround | 13:02 |
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| RST38h | wazd: so it shows up in kinda light strip | 13:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: yeahyeah, that's a "wontfix" issue :P | 13:02 |
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| RST38h | wazd: oh | 13:02 |
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| wazd | RST38h: theme limitations | 13:03 |
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| RST38h | weird... | 13:03 |
| RST38h | although, given previous findings, not surprising :) | 13:03 |
| crashanddie | pillar_: if you click on "Live scores", you can see the points directly and have the radio in the same page | 13:04 |
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| leoryk | hi i need your help. i have N900 and i woul like play my movie in mplayer or kmplayer without border. for example mplayer tropical-thunder.avi -noborder, but still i see in left top coner icons with batery and window pleas how can i hide this? | 13:05 |
| leoryk | in full screan mode i movie has bordes and i need play without borders | 13:06 |
| thp | any t.m.o admins around who can rename threads? | 13:07 |
| im2 | hi all. can anyone please tell me what is the function of getting current time in maemo sdk5. | 13:07 |
| crashanddie | thp: depends which forum | 13:07 |
| thp | crashanddie: Software -> Multimedia | 13:07 |
| crashanddie | im2: date? | 13:07 |
| pusling | can't I somehow get rid of apps I don't need, like skype, without removing everything on the n900 ? | 13:07 |
| im2 | only time | 13:08 |
| crashanddie | thp: sorry, can't help there. Just report your post and in the commentary ask for it | 13:08 |
| inz | eroyk, by borders you mean those black strips when the movie has different aspect ration than the display? | 13:08 |
| thp | crashanddie: oh, thanks. will do. | 13:08 |
| norayr | :) | 13:08 |
| crashanddie | im2: specific programming language? | 13:09 |
| im2 | crashanddie: c | 13:09 |
| norayr | anyone tried to crosscompile gentoo system in QEMU by using sd card as a qemu hard drive? | 13:09 |
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| norayr | then get out out the card and insert it into nokia | 13:09 |
| norayr | :) | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | norayr: there are insane people like that around here, yes | 13:10 |
| inz | im2, see time, localtime, strftime | 13:10 |
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| norayr | nice :) | 13:10 |
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| norayr | then i'll try :) | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | im2: google | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which reminds me, bug #8714 | 13:11 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8714 Thread owners should be able to rename their threads | 13:11 |
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| pillar_ | crashanddie: quite the thriller set right now :) | 13:14 |
| crashanddie | pillar_: indeed... I have TV back | 13:14 |
| crashanddie | pillar_: ouch | 13:15 |
| crashanddie | championship point | 13:15 |
| inz | are you watchin necktwister again? | 13:15 |
| crashanddie | yup | 13:16 |
| crashanddie | wow, very close ball... only 3cm or something | 13:16 |
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| crashanddie | set point for murray :D go scotty, go | 13:17 |
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| crashanddie | im2: from memory, it's probably going to be something like: time_t seconds = time(NULL); struct tm * now = localtime(&seconds); printf("%d:%d:%d\n", now->tm_hour, now->tm_min, now->tm_sec); | 13:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: call buttons are really that grayish? | 13:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://i065.radikal.ru/0910/cf/cc07a96009f2.png - looks fine for me | 13:19 |
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| crashanddie | pillar_: who you supporting? | 13:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: to me, the Call button at this screenshot looks black | 13:20 |
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| pillar_ | crashanddie: probably murray more, but would like the match to go the fifth set and be epic :) | 13:20 |
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| crashanddie | pillar_: federer is going: "Hang on, let me take yet another ace out of my backpack" | 13:22 |
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| pillar_ | crashanddie: :) | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | finished | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | federer wins | 13:22 |
| mjec | hard work for him but he got there | 13:22 |
| im2 | crashanddie: what you gave is working, but it is giving system time. i want time in my maemo sdk. | 13:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: also the "Cellular" word is almost black-on-black to me | 13:23 |
| crashanddie | im2: wtf? | 13:23 |
| crashanddie | im2: how are those two different? | 13:23 |
| wazd | RST38h: it's brighter now, old shot | 13:24 |
| RST38h | wazd: just not my theme, I am afraid :) :( | 13:25 |
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| wazd | RST38h: screw you :D | 13:26 |
| RST38h | In addition to all of the above, brings that horrid Vista pseudo-MacOSX UI in mind all the time | 13:26 |
| wazd | RST38h: :P | 13:26 |
| * RST38h screws himself | 13:26 | |
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| wazd | RST38h: but yeah, looks like n900's screen is way darker than mine | 13:28 |
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| RST38h | wazd: + it changes brightness depending on the outside light | 13:30 |
| im2 | crashanddie: sorry, timezone in my sdk was different. | 13:30 |
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| wazd | damn, I seriously need this rightclick shot | 13:40 |
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| Corsac | if anyone knows how can I call for a snapshot from command line... | 13:41 |
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| wazd | Corsac: anyway, does the rightclick menu looks fine or black on black? :) | 13:42 |
| Corsac | wazd: black on transparent/blurred background | 13:42 |
| Corsac | but now always, more like 9 on 10 times | 13:42 |
| wazd | and it's readable? | 13:43 |
| Corsac | no, the right click menu itself is a complete black box | 13:43 |
| wazd | meh | 13:44 |
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| johnq | I made some mistake in the version string of a package. Is it possible to delete it from extras-devel? | 13:46 |
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| Corsac | just update it? | 13:46 |
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| sp3000 | Corsac: there's a "screenshot-tool" somewhere | 13:47 |
| sp3000 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation | 13:47 |
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| johnq | Instead of "0.3" I wrote "3.0" in the version string, so it will be much "newer" than other packages. | 13:48 |
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| Corsac | johnq: use an epoch then | 13:49 |
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| sp3000 | pfft, what's wrong with 3 :) | 13:50 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, new marina available | 13:51 |
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| johnq | Corsac: the complete version string is "0.2.99+3.0rc2" and should be "0.2.99+0.3rc2". So the problem will be gone once "0.3.0" is released, so it's not too bad. I just thought deleting the package could be easy. | 13:52 |
| RST38h | "However, they can be put out by people whose birthday falls on that day (termed "birthdayers" for convenience), upon which the subject will have their age changed to the equivalent of the number of candles on SCP-559." | 13:52 |
| Corsac | wazd: did you change anything on 1.0 update? | 13:54 |
| Corsac | wazd: I just updated and it seems it works fine now | 13:54 |
| wazd | Corsac: heh :) | 13:54 |
| wazd | Corsac: what exactly? rightclick? Contacts? | 13:55 |
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| Corsac | wazd: right click seems fixed | 13:57 |
| Corsac | (and contact were working correctly before) | 14:01 |
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| MistaED | http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7436/pandan900.jpg | 14:03 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:09 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: heya | 14:29 |
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| TomaszD | Jaffa, around? | 14:32 |
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| Jaffa | TomaszD: Yup | 14:35 |
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| TomaszD | Jaffa, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8721 | 14:35 |
| povbot | Bug 8721: Most Ovi Store apps not visible in the Ovi category, only in All | 14:35 |
| TomaszD | I just wanted to dcc the files to you, but I got impatient ;) | 14:36 |
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| Jaffa | TomaszD: Can you do `ls -l /usr/share/applications/hildon/angrybirds.desktop' and `dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/hildon/angrybird.desktop' | 14:37 |
| Jaffa | TomaszD: Finally, as root, can you do '/opt/catorise/catorise configure' and see if that fixes things | 14:38 |
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| trem | hi all | 14:40 |
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| trem | I've got a little guestion about TV, how I can watch TV with a N900, I need to download an application ? | 14:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, TV from where? | 14:41 |
| trem | GeneralAntilles: france | 14:41 |
| ifreq | trem: does not make sence | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, but what's the source? | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you have a USB tuner that you want to connect? | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or do you want to stream from another machine? | 14:41 |
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| trem | GeneralAntilles: none, I think that my "provideur" give me TV access | 14:42 |
| TomaszD | Jaffa, I ran the configure thing, now I have 13 icons on my desktop, previously I only had 10 | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | trem, I'm sorry, I can't help you. | 14:42 |
| TomaszD | Jaffa, I think something got stuck during initial installation | 14:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | trem: then you need to work out what protocol and ports and ... to connect to pretty much. | 14:43 |
| TomaszD | Jaffa, everything looks fine now | 14:43 |
| TomaszD | Jaffa, and earlier commands check out fine, no anomalies | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | trem: which regrettably is probably not something your provider will usually document, as they are likely to just sell preconfigured pjhones where it 'just works'. | 14:43 |
| Quibus | Question: do packages need to be signed to be accepted in extras/extras-devel? | 14:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | trem: googling can sometimes pick this up - or user groups for your phone network. | 14:44 |
| trem | SpeedEvil: I'm afraid of | 14:44 |
| ioeee | hi all | 14:44 |
| ifreq | or ISP page | 14:44 |
| ifreq | s/ISP/"provider" | 14:44 |
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| alterego | Glad to see this might5 actually work .. Maybe. | 14:45 |
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| alterego | I have a suspicion that Nokia headsets with media remotes send pulses down the microphone input. Just did a visualisation and I think it looks promising ... | 14:46 |
| alterego | The buttons "appear" to generate very tight wave forms. I'm not sure whether it's just a clicking but I'm hoping it's a code. | 14:47 |
| maromader | Hi everybody, got my N900 yesterday, already reflashed it 4 times and repartitioned :) | 14:47 |
| maromader | anybody else cannot resend sms messages (or do other things by "entering" the received sms) in newest update? | 14:48 |
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| alterego | I think the wired media remotes are the only thing I miss from my older nseries. | 14:48 |
| Hoxzer | still no way to install make n900 to act as a AP without custom kernel? | 14:48 |
| trem | SpeedEvil: I'm looking on my provider website | 14:48 |
| Hoxzer | s/install/ | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | trem: I hope you have better luck than the UK. Documentation of anything sucks here. | 14:49 |
| trem | SpeedEvil: document sucks here too :( | 14:50 |
| trem | I don't find the answer | 14:50 |
| pusling | after apt-get dist-upgrading my maemo, there is a lot space used by dpkg and apt (in dpkg/info and apt/lists), any advice on what to do with that ? | 14:50 |
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| maromader | pusling, You can't do much, if you remove these files your sytem will lose track of what's installed | 14:55 |
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| solpete2 | it sounds as if there is something loose inside the phone when keeping it close to the air and shaking it.. i thought it was the kickstand or magnet but its not.. what can it be? Sounds like a small metallic clicking ... | 14:57 |
| pusling | maromader: I know that. but my rootfs only have 1m free. any advice on what to do ? | 14:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | solpete: perhaps the vibrator counterweight | 15:01 |
| maromader | pusling, deactivete repositories (short term solution) | 15:01 |
| tuxer | pusling: have you tried localepurge (can be found somewhere on the forums) | 15:01 |
| maromader | I repartitioned the disk using guide from http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie | 15:01 |
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| maromader | works like a charm, but I would change the partition sizes slightly | 15:02 |
| maromader | maybe next time my system breaks :) | 15:02 |
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| pusling | argf. it seems to reboot now every time I try to launch a app from the desktop or launch the 'menu' | 15:06 |
| maromader | pusling, you can always reflash... | 15:07 |
| pusling | maromader: isn't that kind of admitting defeat ? | 15:07 |
| pusling | can I somehow get serial console (thru usb?) on it ? | 15:07 |
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| maromader | pusling, don't know about serial console | 15:08 |
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| maromader | pusling, what defeat? reflash, fill it again and try to get back control :) | 15:08 |
| maromader | there's always another try :) | 15:09 |
| pusling | is reflashing killing my user data ? | 15:09 |
| maromader | no, I don't think so | 15:09 |
| maromader | btw, after updating to newest firmware flash stopped working on youtube, anybody else with that problem? | 15:10 |
| pusling | so. where is the flashing howto ? | 15:10 |
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| maromader | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:11 |
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| Chiku | hello | 15:12 |
| maromader | hi | 15:12 |
| solpete2 | is there a swipe pattern to unlock application? | 15:13 |
| Chiku | does extra devel is more buggy than extra testing? | 15:13 |
| solpete2 | Chiku yes | 15:13 |
| Chiku | I read on a blog, there are free and non-free for extra devel but thre is no non-free for extra testing | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | maromader: works for m | 15:14 |
| Chiku | or there are no non-free for both | 15:14 |
| Chiku | non-free is only for stable one | 15:15 |
| maromader | SpeedEvil, you mean sms resending? | 15:15 |
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| maromader | is there any way reset n900 to factory defaults, ie. what originally come "in the box", with user data, etc.? ir is /home/user/ empty by default and it's populated on the first boot? | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | maromader: youtube | 15:17 |
| Chiku | maromader, yes I did it | 15:17 |
| maromader | Chiku, how? | 15:17 |
| Chiku | vanillia version | 15:17 |
| maromader | ok, maybe I'll try with that some time | 15:17 |
| alterego | Heh, just thought of a funny idea for PUSH, shame it's gone really. | 15:18 |
| Chiku | maromader, flash with this one RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 15:18 |
| maromader | Chiku, it also flashes the user data, I presume? | 15:18 |
| Chiku | yes | 15:18 |
| maromader | ok | 15:18 |
| Chiku | then you need to flsh with RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM to be update | 15:19 |
| maromader | yeah, maybe that will do the trick | 15:19 |
| maromader | Chiku, have you repartitioned your disk to make more room for apps? | 15:19 |
| Chiku | nope | 15:20 |
| Chiku | just flashed it | 15:20 |
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| maromader | ok | 15:20 |
| Jaffa | TomaszD: Hmm, OK, cool. | 15:22 |
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| TomaszD | Jaffa, weird stuff, I can't get used to this menu anyway :) | 15:23 |
| Chiku | which weather app you guys prefer? | 15:23 |
| TomaszD | I'm afraid to say, and I hope Vlad isn't listening, but foreca weather is better for me | 15:24 |
| pusling | hmm... there is like a gazillion different types of images to flash. which one do I want? my keyboard have localized scandinavian chars. | 15:24 |
| TomaszD | mostly because the widget doesn't take so much space | 15:24 |
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| Chiku | TomaszD, why it is better? more accurate? | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Chiku: I would like http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/meteogram.png - on my desktop | 15:25 |
| TomaszD | Chiku, accuracy has nothing to do with it, OMWeather uses commercial-grade information too. | 15:26 |
| TomaszD | Foreca Weather's UI makes more sense to me | 15:26 |
| TomaszD | and it looks better | 15:26 |
| Chiku | I tried OMWeather is not accuracy for France country | 15:27 |
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| RST38h | Ahhahah! Qwerty finally woke up =) | 15:28 |
| TomaszD | OMWeather uses weather.com API and gismeteo.ru I believe, so I'm not sure you can blame OMWeather | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | ? | 15:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Chiku: have you looked at yr.no ? | 15:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | Chiku: it's good for me - at least - in scotland. | 15:28 |
| Chiku | SpeedEvil, yes, but it's not for n99 right? | 15:29 |
| * TomaszD goes back to Novell translation work... | 15:29 | |
| SpeedEvil | Chiku: ? | 15:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Chiku: it also has an xml output | 15:30 |
| Chiku | I mean how to get yr.no for n900 | 15:30 |
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| Chiku | any widget | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Chiku: no widget | 15:31 |
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| Corsac | hey Jaffa | 15:35 |
| Corsac | hey Jaffa | 15:36 |
| Corsac | grmbl | 15:36 |
| Corsac | ssh fail. | 15:36 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h: where? | 15:40 |
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| Jaffa | Corsac: Hey | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: how's it going? | 15:43 |
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| crashanddie | TomaszD: working on Sundays? | 15:47 |
| TomaszD | crashanddie, I'm an atheist, Sunday means nothing to me :) But on a more serious note, I need to finish this quickly | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: religion has nothing to do with it, don't let your employer exploit you | 15:49 |
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| crashanddie | TomaszD: and as I know Novell, I also know you're not being paid millions | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: unless you're a contractor, but considering your doing translations and working sundays, that's kinda impossible | 15:49 |
| TomaszD | they pay well for translations, although lately the projects are getting smaller. | 15:49 |
| TomaszD | and I'm working on my own schedule | 15:50 |
| TomaszD | deadline is set and nothing else | 15:50 |
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| TomaszD | hmm, I must qualify my statement, paying well compared to other opportunities here in Poland | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Going well | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I know we're far apart, but that's a big ping time :P | 15:51 |
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| TomaszD | alright, it's been 10 days, time flies, Extra Decoders Support 0.3.4-1 promoted to Extras | 15:53 |
| TomaszD | wreaking havoc in trackerd since.... since the beginning. | 15:53 |
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| TomaszD | but I have a plan that fixes this, to some extent | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it involve pitchforks and burning torches, and a horde of unwashed community developers storming the castle? | 15:54 |
| TomaszD | ...how did you know? | 15:54 |
| wazd | erm, I'm not sure if it's right, but I've promoted new Marina version 1.01 to Testing | 15:54 |
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| RST38h | wazd: did it say package promoted? | 15:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep | 15:57 |
| RST38h | then should be ok | 15:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/hildon-theme-marina/1.01/ | 15:57 |
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| wazd | RST38h: have some more time to spend om MArina? :P | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | Genuine Windows(R) 7 Professional 64 bit (English) [Included in Price] Dell Recommended | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | Genuine Windows(R) 7 Professional 64 bit (English) [add $183.70 or $2/week-1] | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | OK! | 16:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, clearly the more expensive one is better. | 16:02 |
| crashanddie | indeed | 16:03 |
| * SpeedEvil picks 'no OS' -183 or -$2/week' | 16:04 | |
| trem | back, sorry to bother you again, but I've got a little problem with my wifi on N900 | 16:04 |
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| crashanddie | I need to buy a new laptop for work | 16:04 |
| trem | When I connect with wifi, I can't use some service | 16:05 |
| trem | for example mail | 16:05 |
| trem | update | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | It's mainly going to be used for running a VM (4GB RAM), and mail | 16:05 |
| trem | and if I open a terminal, I have nameserver 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf | 16:05 |
| trem | So I think that dns are wrong | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | trem: that's normal | 16:06 |
| pillar_ | kysy siltä | 16:06 |
| pillar_ | sorry | 16:06 |
| trem | crashanddie: so I can't read my mail with a wifi connection ? | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | trem: does web work over wifi for example? | 16:06 |
| trem | SpeedEvil: yes | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | pillar_: kysy asianajaja! | 16:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | trem: dnsmasq does dns masquerading | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | trem: everything is pointed at it - and it relays - AIUI | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: indeed | 16:08 |
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| crashanddie | there's a small caching system, but most request still go out to the wild | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | s/est/ests/ | 16:09 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: there's a small caching system, but most requests still go out to the wild | 16:09 |
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| trem | SpeedEvil: so any idea why I can't send a mail with wifi ? | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | trem: because a/ your email provider is down, b/ it's badly configured | 16:09 |
| trem | (it works without wifi) | 16:09 |
| trem | crashanddie: it works if I use my provider | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | trem: it works with 3g? | 16:10 |
| trem | crashanddie: ues | 16:10 |
| trem | yes* | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | trem: are you with Free? | 16:10 |
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| trem | crashanddie: no | 16:10 |
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| crashanddie | trem: I remember Free implementing limiting what email servers you could connect to (more specifically, smtp) | 16:11 |
| trem | crashanddie: and on a terminal, I simple ping yahoo.Fr don't work | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | maybe Wanadoo or whoever you're with does the same? | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | oh | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | ok | 16:11 |
| trem | crashanddie: I can use this email account with my laptop (with wifi) | 16:11 |
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| crashanddie | trem: can you do an nslookup yahoo.fr? | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | trem: I've had it a few times that poor wifi levels would cause dns lookups to fail | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | trem: that and routers that don't play nicely with the power-save levels | 16:13 |
| trem | crashanddie: I try | 16:14 |
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| trem | crashanddie: it works but it's very very long | 16:16 |
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| trem | I've tried on my computer, it's very fast, on N900, it's very very slow | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | trem: try this: change the configuration of your wifi network and set the power-saving to "none" | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | (on your n900) | 16:17 |
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| trem | crashanddie: how I can do it ? | 16:19 |
| crashanddie | trem: go to settings, internet connections, connections, select the network and click edit, next, next, next, advanced, other, power saving (select off) | 16:20 |
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| TomaszD | crashanddie, you know the way by heart? | 16:21 |
| melmoth | is it me or is skype down ? | 16:21 |
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| crashanddie | it's you | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: visual memory | 16:23 |
| TomaszD | cool | 16:24 |
| melmoth | crap. skype works on n810 but not on n900? | 16:28 |
| melmoth | even if i delete and recreate the account | 16:28 |
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| trem | crashanddie: still very long | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | trem: wanadoo or 9? | 16:30 |
| trem | crashanddie: wanadoo | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | trem: normalement la livebox fournit son propre service dns, essaye de changer le resolv.conf pour pointer vers la box, regarde si c'est plus rapide | 16:31 |
| trem | crashanddie: oky, je tente | 16:31 |
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| trem | crashanddie: je l'ai fais, mais je comprend pas, mon /etc/resolv.conf reste à 127.0.0.1 et mon nslookup yahoo.fr toujours tres long | 16:38 |
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| crashanddie | trem: t'as change quoi? | 16:39 |
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| trem | crashanddie: j'ai mis ma box en dns | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | oui mais ou? | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | dans resolv? | 16:40 |
| trem | crashanddie: dans la config du wifi (et j'ai décoché recupérer les dns automatiquement) | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | laisse tomber ca, edite /etc/resolv.conf directement | 16:41 |
| trem | je peux pas, je suis pas root | 16:41 |
| trem | pas trouvé comment passer root | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | installe un programme nomme "gainroot" | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | ou un truc du genre | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | cherche "root" dans l'app manager | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | apres tu pourras passer root dans la console en tappant: sudo gainroot | 16:42 |
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| ecksun | Where does modest store its passwords? | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | in its sleevies? | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | oops - wrong joke. | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | on the other side of the moon | 16:55 |
| ecksun | ^^ | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | IYA | 16:56 |
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| ecksun | I need to send my n900 back for repair and would like to wipe as much data as possible | 16:57 |
| ecksun | private data* | 16:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | flash, and dd if=/dev/zero to the mmc | 16:58 |
| ecksun | but that would potentially leave data on the root partition | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Point - I suppose actually flashing doesn't always overwrite all blocks | 16:59 |
| ecksun | no, exacly | 16:59 |
| ecksun | and i dont really dare to write zeros/random to the whole cards, feels a bit like bricking it :) | 16:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean the individual partitions | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | followed by mkfs.ext2 and mkfs.vfat | 17:00 |
| ecksun | yeah, but wouldnt that be more or less like bricking it? | 17:00 |
| ecksun | i dont know how the flasihg works, but i assume it needs some kind of bootloader atleast | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | the mmc is not the onenand | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | the mmc is the 32G device | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | the onenand is the 256M / | 17:01 |
| ecksun | are there really two memories in the phone? | 17:01 |
| ecksun | i assumed they were just partitioned | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 17:02 |
| ecksun | cool | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | three if you've got a mmc installed | 17:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | not counting perhaps the dozen programmabe devices in it | 17:02 |
| ecksun | but even so, if i wipe everything on the 32gb device i would still leave data on the / | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/mmc/microSD/ | 17:02 |
| ecksun | got that :) | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | ecksun, the rootfs, bootloader, and kernel reside on the 256MB OneNAND in the PoP | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I would think flashing - then writing /dev/urandom to a file in / - as root - should kill most of it | 17:03 |
| ecksun | GeneralAntilles, PoP ? | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Package on Package | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | home, opt, etc all reside on the 32GB eMMC. | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: The spares list seems to imply that there are two onenand chips | 17:03 |
| ecksun | okay | 17:03 |
| ecksun | SpeedEvil, thats a good idea actually, fill it up to 100% and then just delete it | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, second one containing what? | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: 2*128m | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the PoP is a single unit, so. . . . | 17:04 |
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| melmoth | skype issue i have on the n900 is actually known...crap | 17:05 |
| ecksun | if I wipe the entire 32gb device and then flash it, would the flashing restore partisions and so on? | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=397442&eventPage=1 | 17:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | that | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | It could of course be presenting bad info | 17:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, that'd be the part for an N810 or N800. | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: says n900 - but possibly. | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900 is 256/256 | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810/N800 is 128/256 | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | wierd indeed - I can't imagine why you'd need to replace the flash | 17:08 |
| trem | crashanddie: ok, j'ai installé gainroot, j'ai changé le fichier /etc/resolv.conf et pareil nslookup est super long | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe if you're Chinese and building you own |\|900? | 17:08 |
| ShadowJK | replacing it would be pretty damn hard? | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: quite hard, yes. | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: but quite doable with the equipment. | 17:09 |
| ShadowJK | considering some authorized nokia repair shops don't seem to even replace mixrousb port... | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - the GPS chip seems to have dissapeared from that list. | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Wish they'd sell to randoms. I'd like to sell pointers on ebay for $9/3. | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | forex | 17:11 |
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| crashanddie | trem: sorry, that's as far as my diagnostic skills go | 17:11 |
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| trem | crashanddie: merci quand meme, je vais tenter de voir ce qui peut clocher | 17:12 |
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| LuciusMare | Anybody's got an idea why has the image from 'mirror' against mplayer so bad quality? | 17:14 |
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| Hoxzer | what are my options if I want to use n900 as a wlan router? | 17:20 |
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| MrGoose1 | why doesnt the media player pick up audio files from my sd card? | 17:20 |
| inz | Hmm, weird, someone stole my application catalogues! | 17:20 |
| Hoxzer | Ad-hoc mode is supported. I guess if I created a ssh tunnel to and route my traffic through it O_o | 17:21 |
| Hoxzer | might just work | 17:21 |
| Hoxzer | only for certain ports though | 17:21 |
| inz | Hoxzer, JoikuSpot | 17:22 |
| inz | Hmm, is it released yet? | 17:23 |
| Wizzup | Silly question - where do I ``activate'' the onscreen keyboard on the n900 | 17:23 |
| Corsac | in settings | 17:23 |
| inz | Settings / Text input, slide the keyboard closed and tap in a input box | 17:24 |
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| Wizzup | thanks. works like a charm | 17:25 |
| ShadowJK | Lucius | 17:25 |
| ShadowJK | is mirror and mplayer view of front camera different? | 17:25 |
| Wizzup | another question - has anyone tried out firefox yet? | 17:25 |
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| * |thunder wonders if n900 works with sprint,.. | 17:26 | |
| lcuk | Hoxzer, i use adhoc frequently, but i''ve not tried using it as a router | 17:26 |
| Hoxzer | inz: it is out already??? O_o | 17:26 |
| lcuk | document your progress | 17:26 |
| Hoxzer | lcuk: humm | 17:26 |
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| inz | Hoxzer, exactly what I was wondering, just remembered the name =) | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | there's a thrad on tmo, n900 as wlan router | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | they're struggling with kernel oops | 17:27 |
| Hoxzer | lcuk: dont you think that one could create a ssh tunnel, configure firefox to use it as socket proxy -> Surf web | 17:27 |
| |thunder | i know n95 is a wLan router | 17:27 |
| Hoxzer | wait a sec | 17:27 |
| Hoxzer | gotta try it | 17:27 |
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| lcuk | Hoxzer, the simplest way to tether using laptop is to actually tether, plugging my n900 into my ubuntu laptop shows it as a net connect | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | and works directly without any config using 3g | 17:29 |
| trem | crashanddie: mon N900 ne me trouve aucune mise à jour, ca te parait logique (sachant que je l'ai depuis hier) | 17:29 |
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| Hoxzer | lcuk: you using linux laptop? O_o | 17:30 |
| MrGoose1 | I've even tried making ~/MyDocs/.sounds a symbolic link to the audio folder on the sd card but that doesnt work either | 17:30 |
| lcuk | yes is that so strange? | 17:30 |
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| backtrackMaemo5 | hi people | 17:30 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | i have a problem with maemo 5 | 17:30 |
| lcuk | :( thats never a good thing | 17:30 |
| Hoxzer | lcuk: nope, but "[36357.600664] cdc_acm 2-2:1.6: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is no modem. | 17:30 |
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| Hoxzer | that's what I get but | 17:31 |
| Hoxzer | hmm | 17:31 |
| * Hoxzer restarts hal | 17:31 | |
| MrGoose1 | okay I assume no one cares about people who're still using n8x0s | 17:31 |
| MrGoose1 | :( | 17:31 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | there's a link ok maemo 5 desktop application manager, transition control (isnt installed) it doesnt remove it!!! help | 17:31 |
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| backtrackMaemo5 | i tried with dpkg --purge but it doesnt find it | 17:32 |
| lcuk | MrGoose1 :) i do | 17:32 |
| lcuk | backtrackMaemo5, so you have something stuck in "hildon-application-manager" saying its installed? i dont quite know where you are meaning | 17:33 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | it's not installed but there is a link... i opened the hildon folder from MC (midnight commander) there's nt a link like transition*.desktop | 17:33 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | it's not installed | 17:33 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | this is the problem. when i try with dpkg -l it's not on the list... there is just a link in the desktop link manager | 17:34 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | but the application it's not installed | 17:35 |
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| range | act | 17:36 |
| range | Grr. | 17:36 |
| MrGoose1 | lcuk: thats really nice of you. :) | 17:36 |
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| MrGoose1 | I just cant understand why media-crawler doesnt crawl sd cards anymore. I think it used to do so | 17:37 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | please help me what i 've gotta do? | 17:37 |
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| backtrackMaemo5 | help :( | 17:38 |
| lcuk | MrGoose1, the crawler might be getting stuck inside symlinks, try checking your logs to see if anything is highlighted | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | pkgname "google lattitude updater", description "google lattitude updater". WTF!? I suggest to aotodelete packages from repos. WHERE (pkg.name == pkg.description) | 17:39 |
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| * lcuk takes his n810 with him | 17:39 | |
| backtrackMaemo5 | there's a link ok maemo 5 desktop application manager, transition control (isnt installed) dpkg -r -l and --purge doesnt find it, and that empty link is still there :( help me i have n900 and maemo 5 | 17:40 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizerL I agree | 17:42 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | there's a link on maemo 5 desktop application manager i mean in the Settings of the link desktop manager, transition control (isnt installed) dpkg -r -l and --purge doesnt find it, and that empty link is still there :( help me i have n900 and maemo 5 | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | also where desc says "port of X game" | 17:42 |
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| crashanddie | I love it when two users think they're the majority | 17:43 |
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| crashanddie | I also love it when even they don't understand when their initial point has been made and people have accepted it | 17:44 |
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| crashanddie | so they keep on bashing and bashing and bashing, and the ridicule becomes even worse | 17:44 |
| crashanddie | fucking knobheads | 17:45 |
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| lcuk | backtrackMaemo5, chill, "desktop application manager" your terminology requires refinement and its not exactly disasterous either way | 17:45 |
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| lcuk | screenshots will help you, its most likely an errant .desktop file thats been left for whatever reason | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | heh is that an option or a strange bug "Fahrplan (0.0.5)" closes after 15seconds without any user interaction triggering that (no keypress, no tsclick)? | 17:45 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, depends on who those 2 users are | 17:46 |
| crashanddie | benny and fms | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok, this time in a shell | 17:46 |
| lcuk | backtrackMaemo5, once we find out what extra file it is, if it is as i suspect a .desktop file it can be easily removed | 17:47 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: basically, everyone is agreeing on pretty much the same thing, the mods got the message, we need to chill and be less restrictive, I think that's fine by all of us... But they keep digging up shit, and they're blaming us for threads that are started in off-topic... | 17:47 |
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| lcuk | which thread is the world ending in? | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42581 | 17:48 |
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| backtrackMaemo5 | lcuk do u want to see a screeshot about it? | 17:49 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | i can't remove that link... the link doesn't exist... the application isn't installed. do u know something to edit like *.menu or *.desktop file to edit? to delete that impossible link? | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | backtrackMaemo5: what are you on about? | 17:50 |
| lcuk | i dont know where you are seeing this errant object of your distain, so take screenshots and show us. "shift ctrl p" i think | 17:50 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | ok | 17:51 |
| lcuk | frankly i dont know why you are worrying so much, it could just be that you need to reboot to release something but dunno yet | 17:52 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, so the whole point of the thread is that offtopic isnt really offtopic? | 17:53 |
| crashanddie | well, apparently we're too restrictive | 17:54 |
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| crashanddie | and there's been too many useful posts that have been moved to off-topic | 17:54 |
| lcuk | well the fragmentation of the forums is a bit ott | 17:54 |
| lcuk | from any standpoint | 17:54 |
| lcuk | i watch vaispy so dont see sections | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | I'm just eyeballing most of it, don't have the time to run statistics on each thread to see where it belongs most (n900, maemo 5, applications)... | 17:55 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs on the stupid forums interface. | 17:55 | |
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| crashanddie | but when I see one interesting question at the OP, and the rest where people just go "omg lol yeah me 2", well... I can't be arsed to keep that going in general | 17:56 |
| lcuk | its not stupid, its forumized | 17:56 |
| crashanddie | so i just kick it to the curb | 17:56 |
| crashanddie | kerb, sorry | 17:56 |
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| crashanddie | _Lucretia_: you a dude? | 17:56 |
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| crashanddie | omg, VDVsx is here, it's a bot attack! | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes. tin - for example - would give me a nice threaded list of all messages and authors that I can page down at 1/second or more if I find nothing interesting. | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | a page of 10 forum posts takes forever to load. | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | and there is no sane threading | 17:57 |
| crashanddie | actually, there is, but Reggie's disabled it | 17:57 |
| _Lucretia_ | crashanddie: you wanna fuck? find a pro, this aint no place to pick up guys :D | 17:57 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, http://talk.maemo.org/vaispy.php | 17:57 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, I'm not a bot ;) | 17:58 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: too complex for users? :/ | 17:58 |
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| backtrackMaemo5 | lcuk the link is http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7963/screenshot001ubj.jpg | 17:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: hmm | 17:58 |
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| TomaszD | what the hell? | 17:59 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | lcuk can you help me? | 18:00 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | i want to remove that link from the desktop manager | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | uninstall transition control? | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Or have you done that | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | backtrackMaemo5: e veramente che altro fastidio? | 18:01 |
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| backtrackMaemo5 | isnt installed!!! | 18:02 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | there's just the link!!! but the link doesnt exist in *.desktop file!!! | 18:02 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | crash? what do u mean? | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | nevermind | 18:03 |
| crashanddie | 2 in the morning, not the best of times to start speaking italian I guess | 18:03 |
| crashanddie | I'm out, take care guys, talk later | 18:03 |
| lcuk | gnite seb | 18:04 |
| lcuk | backtrackMaemo5, ls /usr/share/applications/hildon/transitioncontrol.desktop | 18:04 |
| lcuk | see if its actually there | 18:04 |
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| backtrackMaemo5 | sorry i get disconnect | 18:07 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | some help about it ? http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7963/screenshot001ubj.jpg | 18:08 |
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| backtrackMaemo5 | ok people... i think to flash my n900 :( there's not otion to remove that application.... thank you to helping me | 18:09 |
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| pupnik | ok | 18:10 |
| lcuk | backtrackMaemo5, ls /usr/share/applications/hildon/transitioncontrol.desktop | 18:10 |
| lcuk | see if its actually there | 18:10 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | ok | 18:10 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | :D | 18:10 |
| lcuk | but you are right, for such a serious issue you might never be able to use your device and will need to reflash | 18:11 |
| lcuk | im pleased that this is the most serious issue encountered :) | 18:11 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | no such file | 18:12 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | :( | 18:12 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | :'( | 18:12 |
| lcuk | have you rebooted it | 18:12 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | i did | 18:12 |
| lcuk | and have you had it installed in the past | 18:12 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | never | 18:12 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | i installed one time to remove tjhat link | 18:12 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | but it create 2 links... orrible... so i removed one,,, but the final one that i deserve doesnt work | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | talk to dev of transitioncontrol then :) | 18:14 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | so... i purged it with dpkg... nothing results like ZERO | 18:14 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | :( | 18:14 |
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| lcuk | well that purges the package catalog not hte files on the system doesnt it? | 18:14 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | exact | 18:14 |
| lcuk | meh file a bug | 18:15 |
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| lcuk | or stop screwing with interals lol | 18:15 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | i think its linked in some one folder like root hide folder | 18:15 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | or like this.... | 18:15 |
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| * lcuk goes and cooks bacon | 18:16 | |
| Corsac | mpf, voice jabber calls work, but video doesn't | 18:16 |
| backtrackMaemo5 | i think to downgrade and upgrade.... just to flash the old firmware and the new one after this.... to rewrite all data folder with thenew file system | 18:16 |
| Corsac | codec issue I guess | 18:16 |
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| backtrackMaemo5 | see you later people i've to reflash my little maemo :( i'm going to loose all packages :( firefox... timidity... my gooddddddd my gooooooddddd | 18:18 |
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| javispedro | gdbm is nearly always such a hell of a package to cross build. | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | my n900 vibration motor works again :D | 18:20 |
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| MohammadAG | kinda weird, it's been broken for a month | 18:21 |
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| thevibe | python3.1 on N900, any updates? | 18:28 |
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| t-tan | thevibe: why do you need 3.1? | 18:48 |
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| MohammadAG | does the n900 vibrate when using the lock switch? | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean when you toggle the lock switch? | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | mine doesn't | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | like the 5800XM and N97 | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | oh ok, just checking since my motor worked for the first time today | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | apart from the first day, but I didn't check everything back then | 18:57 |
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| ecksun | where does gconf store its config files? Im looking for modest config files in particular | 18:59 |
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| MohammadAG | /home/user/.modest maybe? | 19:01 |
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| ecksun | cant find what Im looking for in there | 19:02 |
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| ecksun | gcongconftool-2 -R /apps/modest/server_accounts | 19:02 |
| ecksun | i would like to wipe that info :) | 19:02 |
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| MohammadAG | /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest/server_accounts | 19:03 |
| ecksun | thanks! | 19:03 |
| ecksun | how did you find that? | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | find lol | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | in xterm | 19:04 |
| ecksun | ofc :P | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | find -name 'server_accounts' | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 19:04 |
| ecksun | some day i got to learn the syntax to find | 19:04 |
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| ecksun | i just fall back on locate on my server and laptop | 19:04 |
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| MohammadAG | learned it from here actually :) | 19:05 |
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| GMsoft | hi | 19:07 |
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| ecksun | moo-_-, :) | 19:22 |
| ecksun | MohammadAG, :) | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | We have a qwerty clone! | 19:23 |
| ecksun | sry moo-_- :( wrong-tab | 19:23 |
| ecksun | can i access rootfs from inside debian-chroot? | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | not really sure ecksun | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | lemme check | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | yep, you can | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | [root@easy-debian-m5: ~/MyDocs] | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | switching connection | 19:26 |
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| ecksun | rootfs != MyDocs | 19:27 |
| ecksun | for example /var/lib/gconf :) | 19:27 |
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| alterego | Interesting, so mplayer on the N900 comes with mencoder aswell? Curious ... | 19:29 |
| kynky | mplayer doesnt use dsp , so slower than gstreamer based stuff, afaik | 19:32 |
| alterego | Yes, I know. I was just wondering what the point was of having it on there. | 19:32 |
| alterego | Though I've not had much luck with the OpenMAX h264 stuff >:( | 19:32 |
| kynky | you know where you are with mplayer | 19:33 |
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| iPeter- | Hi | 19:34 |
| iPeter- | Whats wrong with e-mail application on my N900, every second messages title is "invalid" | 19:35 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, really? who? where? | 19:41 |
| lcuk | does he know | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | qw3rty on Talk. | 19:41 |
| lcuk | heh | 19:43 |
| GMsoft | mhh I'm looking at the sharing api but it seems that sharing_http_run() doesn't handle requests over http | 19:44 |
| GMsoft | any alternative ? | 19:44 |
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| GMsoft | err over https | 19:44 |
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| ecksun | where does microb store saved passwords? | 19:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | in a database | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | just install the package that lets you view it | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | microb-engine-common-ext | 19:56 |
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| range | iPeter-: That looks more like a problem of the server side. | 20:00 |
| range | Or a problem with charset? I haven't seen that. | 20:01 |
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| cb22 | hi.. does anyone have an issue where if you let your n900 lock by itself, it requires 2 "switches" of the unlock switch to unlock, but if you lock it manually it works fine? | 20:02 |
| ecksun | timeless_mbp, i want to wipe the file, so viewing it dosent help much, whers the database? :) | 20:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | you realize you're dealing w/ flash | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | which means that if you want to wipe the file | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll need to burn the chips | 20:05 |
| ecksun | burn the chips, how so? | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno, the terminator 2 method should work | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i think they used molten iron or something | 20:06 |
| ecksun | why would i need to burn the chip? | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | steel, sorry | 20:06 |
| ecksun | i thought the problem with residual data was only with magnetic storage | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | so, the problem w/ flash storage | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | is that you get a limited number of writes per bit | 20:07 |
| ecksun | yes, i know | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | the solution to this problem is to not rewrite the same place | 20:07 |
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| pupnik | popup info steals app focus | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | which means that when you 'write' new 'data', the write goes *elsewhere* | 20:07 |
| ecksun | timeless_mbp, i see your point | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | good. | 20:07 |
| ecksun | so i would need to overwrite everything | 20:07 |
| ecksun | and even more if it were an ssd | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | and pray that you didn't end up w/ bad sectors which caused you to miss things | 20:08 |
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| ecksun | yeah, but i got to go | 20:08 |
| ecksun | thx | 20:08 |
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| ieatlint | you're correct in principle, but in practical sense, overwriting a file on flash memory will erase it | 20:09 |
| timeless_mbp | depends what the goal is | 20:09 |
| timeless_mbp | if he's being paranoid | 20:09 |
| timeless_mbp | then he's misguided | 20:09 |
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| ieatlint | with wear leveling, it likely will write it elsewhere, however the mappings will be destroyed to the original data | 20:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | if he just wants to delete stuff, the ui from microb and the ui i gave him would let him clean up the data | 20:10 |
| timeless_mbp | no need to poke something else | 20:10 |
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| user_ | bimbim | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/01/27/upcoming-qtcreator-support-for-qml-or-what-is-bauhaus/ | 20:20 |
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| LeoD | so i've been out of the loop for a while, what happened to the random reboots? did the fw update actually fix them? | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | it fixed many of them, it seems - it was a OMAP3 bug things seem to indicate | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | as it fixed Droid too | 20:23 |
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| LeoD | oh nice :) | 20:23 |
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| caotic | does anyone knows where does the n810 stores the networks wep keys ? | 20:24 |
| pupnik | yes | 20:25 |
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| inz | IIRC gconf | 20:26 |
| caotic | pupnik: can you tell me ? | 20:26 |
| timeless_mbp | caotic: just browser through /var/lib/gconf | 20:27 |
| timeless_mbp | tab completion is your friend | 20:27 |
| timeless_mbp | it's system, IAP, ... | 20:27 |
| timeless_mbp | it's very easy to spot | 20:27 |
| timeless_mbp | s/browser/browse/ | 20:27 |
| caotic | oh thanks | 20:27 |
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| caotic | didnt realice IRC gconf was a message for me | 20:27 |
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| red | how does one get those cloaked hostnames I see so much? | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Sexual favours. | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a donation. | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | (to freenode) | 20:39 |
| inz | or a pretty please | 20:39 |
| Myrtti | red: if you're registered with all the hoops and loops, by requesting. Depending on what kind you want | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | and the maemo cloaks I think by akrma | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | karm | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | a | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | User must meet either 500+ karma or Nokian. | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i figure out if a user is registered? | 20:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | /whois foo | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, /msg nickserv <user> info | 20:40 |
| lcuk | whois shows them | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | or that | 20:40 |
| * lcuk goes mealing ----> | 20:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: doesn't work | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, how so? | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | -NickServ- Invalid command. Use /msg NickServ help for a command listing. | 20:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | you probably meant info user not user info :) | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, yeah, reverse that. | 20:41 |
| w00t | info <user> | 20:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles fails. | 20:41 | |
| w00t | go team. | 20:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles or is just looking for excuses to use Willy Wonka quotes. | 20:41 | |
| timeless_mbp | but i mean, how do i tell if a connection is logged in, not if nickserv is managing it | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, um, it was +e | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno now | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good question for w00t. | 20:42 |
| * w00t eyes | 20:42 | |
| lcuk | ofni sellitnalareneg vreskcin gsm/ | 20:42 |
| w00t | you should see an 'account :' line in /whois, timeless_mbp | 20:42 |
| w00t | 01/31@19:42:17 -!- account : timeless | 20:42 |
| w00t | for instance | 20:42 |
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| Solpete_n900 | hello | 20:45 |
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| Solpete_n900 | is there a way to use function keys? | 20:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | solpete: so, the on screen keyboard is pluggable | 20:50 |
| timeless_mbp | you're welcome to write a module which lets you trigger function keys | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | evening RevdKathy | 20:51 |
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| RevdKathy | Evening Stskeeps, evening all | 20:51 |
| pupnik | yi yi | 20:51 |
| luke-jr | pizza. | 20:52 |
| lopz | hi ;/ | 20:52 |
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| Solpete_n900 | nye | 20:52 |
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| RevdKathy | Hi alll. Just have a lovely dinner of sossiges and onion gravy (I make great onion gravy) and now watching the huskies on countryfile | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Onions are an essential food group. | 20:53 |
| mtnbkr | so is gravy (I think) | 20:53 |
| RevdKathy | I threatened to write a recipe book called "first fry and onion" | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I think given the choice between never being able to eat them and ice cream - it'd be onions that won. | 20:54 |
| RevdKathy | Oucvh! I'd hate a choice like that | 20:54 |
| RevdKathy | I could live entirely on cheese, onions, icecream and choclate | 20:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | low fat cheese, and high cocoa solids chocolate - and it's almost a balance diet | 20:55 |
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| RevdKathy | Onions for veg, choc for iron, cheese for protein, icecream for calcium and sugars... | 20:56 |
| RevdKathy | what more would I need? | 20:56 |
| pupnik | carrots | 20:56 |
| RevdKathy | can I have the carrots in cake form? | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . carrot cake | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which reminds me, I need to buy some rum for rum cake. | 20:57 |
| RevdKathy | sounds wonderful. Digitise some and email it :) | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.niquehappy.com/blog/2006/11/13/chicken-fried-steak-ice-cream/ | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, that sounds awful. | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I am hungry for some country fried steak now. . . . | 20:59 |
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| RevdKathy | after the meal I just ate, I shan't be hungry for anything for a while! | 20:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I hate this Pepsi throwback shit. | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least when they used HFC I had a compelling reason never to drink the stuff. | 21:02 |
| ieatlint | haha | 21:02 |
| ieatlint | i'm just enjoying not spending extra money on coke from mexico to get real sugar.. | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hurray Jarritos! | 21:03 |
| ieatlint | yeah, that's some quality soda there ;) | 21:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I started buying a couple bottles a week at the local Publix a few years ago. | 21:04 |
| ieatlint | no worse than than our own though, i suppose | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Couple months later they'd doubled their stock and added 50% to the price. | 21:04 |
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| ieatlint | jarritos is cheap here at least ... as much as regular coke/pepsi/etc | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | About $0.89 to $1.09 a bottle here. | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now, anyway. | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Used to be cheaper | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I stopped buying after the upped the price. | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Their stock levels haven't gone down, so I guess somebody must be buying them. | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Offer to buy a case or two at teh old price | 21:06 |
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| * SpeedEvil has been buying ~6 months of stuff on offer. | 21:07 | |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, then my roommate will drink nothing but sodas for a week. ;) | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Concentrated laxatives. | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Coat the rims? :P | 21:08 |
| ieatlint | if you have to live with the guy, you probably don't want to deal with him having the runs :P | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd be surprised if he made the connection anyway. | 21:09 |
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| ieatlint | could be crazier, club mate was briefly available here at $4/bottle | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh | 21:10 |
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| ShadowJK | N900 as USB modem "just works", nice! | 21:14 |
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| javispedro | I found that most of the modem AT commands seem to be returning error (including SIM entries, SMS management..) | 21:18 |
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| javispedro | (my guess is that they do not work indeed since PC Suite seems not able to extract sms either) | 21:18 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I have seen something about N900 baseband not really using at command set | 21:19 |
| ShadowJK | there's daemon for translating it, right | 21:19 |
| ShadowJK | guess it only does bare minimal for modem use? | 21:19 |
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| RST38h | is this true for s40 phones as well? | 21:20 |
| javispedro | I have one right here and its working | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | Some of them serve out SMS and stuff over serial ports (whether usb or bluetotoh) | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | s60 ones are worse | 21:21 |
| RST38h | n900 uses s40 baseband, right? | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | i dont think any other device has 10mbit hsdpa, except for the CS-15 modem | 21:22 |
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| satmd | hi :) | 21:22 |
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| Stskeeps | wello satmd | 21:23 |
| RevdKathy | hi satmd | 21:24 |
| * satmd is part of the family now, too | 21:24 | |
| w00t | heya satmd | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | another n900 addict, welcome! | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:24 |
| w00t | run while you still have a chance | 21:24 |
| w00t | you're already WOLing your PCs, though, so there's probably no hope for you | 21:24 |
| Toba | wake on lan? what's this got to do with this? | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | you can WOL stuff from your n900 | 21:24 |
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| w00t | and I happen to know him from elsewhere, so :p | 21:25 |
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| GAN900 | I'd really love for some proper game development to come to the Ovi Store soon. | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | but angry birds is all you need | 21:27 |
| GAN900 | Nokia needs to help their Ovi team figure out how to protect content already. . . . | 21:27 |
| RevdKathy | We'll have sheep soon - best game EVA! | 21:27 |
| * RST38h laughs rather maniacally | 21:27 | |
| RevdKathy | maeSheep, that is | 21:27 |
| aSIMULAtor | i want more angry birds levels | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Ovi...hehe...Store... | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | aSIMULAtor: there's a level editor now | 21:28 |
| w00t | angry birds ftfw | 21:28 |
| javispedro | so, Phonet is the protocol, and pnatd is the program providing the AT interface | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | aSIMULAtor: where? | 21:28 |
| aSIMULAtor | stskeeps: link` | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Corporate insurance hehe | 21:28 |
| RevdKathy | MaeSheep beat angry birds ;) | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | aSIMULAtor: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40591 | 21:28 |
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| aSIMULAtor | woo!! :D | 21:29 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, catch that game developer posting to Talk? | 21:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | (to the tune of 'catch that pigeon') | 21:31 |
| GAN900 | That stuff looked classy. | 21:31 |
| RST38h | GAN: Yes, but it is not on Ovi until it is on Ovi | 21:31 |
| RST38h | Given their acceptance rules, I kinda doubt there will be a lot of app there =( | 21:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, could be even less if they don't figure out how to keep people from pirating stuff right off their servers. | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, an interesting question, is anybody else using apt to distribute paid content (with the authentication system not being in the software itself)? | 21:35 |
| RST38h | General: That part is almost unbelieavable | 21:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I'm really surprised that somebody in Maemo Devices wasn't involved. | 21:35 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Ubuntu may've looked at it, with them moving to a more "app store"-like model | 21:35 |
| RST38h | General: I mean, go to all this length, make a web site, create all these draconian rules | 21:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I mean, any 14-year-old who'd installed Debian or Ubuntu a couple of times could tell you that was bound to fail. | 21:36 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: The rules were in-place already ;-) | 21:36 |
| ShadowJK | the rules are jsut copied from s40, s60 and j2me | 21:36 |
| RST38h | General: And NEVER even consider how they are going to distribute paid content in a proper way | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, really makes me want to meet the Maemo part of the Ovi Team. | 21:37 |
| ShadowJK | They probably can | 21:37 |
| RST38h | General: Right after you off the Maemo part of Ovi Maps Team? =) | 21:37 |
| ShadowJK | t get the webserver people to support the authentication token like the nokia binary repos | 21:37 |
| jaska | defenestrate | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: Well, it is not like you absolutely can't use debian repos to distribute paid content safely | 21:38 |
| RST38h | Shadow: But it requires some thinking to implement, and none of these guys have done any =) | 21:38 |
| ShadowJK | Also ovi serving DRM'd content that N900 can't play is funny | 21:38 |
| ShadowJK | selling it specifically for N900 I mean | 21:38 |
| RST38h | they say ovi store for maemo is "beta" | 21:39 |
| RST38h | So they do have an excuse | 21:39 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 21:39 |
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| Goliath23 | hi | 21:39 |
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| * ShadowJK hopes USB charging can keep up with the powerdrain of streaming video to PC :D | 21:40 | |
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| ShadowJK | ah, it is :D | 21:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: so | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | technically it's possible to run out of power while plugged in :) | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | someone tried to blame it on flash | 21:41 |
| ShadowJK | I'm sure it is possible | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | that didn't fly. | 21:41 |
| * Jaffa thinks designing a secure-as-possible paid content distribution system on top of apt would be really interesting. | 21:42 | |
| RST38h | it is the server-side thing | 21:42 |
| RST38h | apt has nothing to do with it | 21:42 |
| ShadowJK | but voltage as reporting by hal-device bme is slowly climbing, so I think it's keeping up :) | 21:42 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: so | 21:42 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is actually client side | 21:42 |
| timeless_mbp | what prevents a client from taking something that was 'sent' to the client | 21:42 |
| ShadowJK | My N900 has more bandwidth than my regular internet connection :) | 21:43 |
| Jaffa | Perhaps have the device generate a public/private key in first-boot-wizard and have a browser plugin which sends that to ovi.mobi; on top of virtual repo | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | and 'sharing' it to another client which didn't get its own copy from the server | 21:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: i've suggested using pki that way | 21:43 |
| javispedro | are you trying to prevent the actual binary distribution? I'd be more worried about how to prevent running the binary. | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | not sure exactly what the target audience was | 21:43 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Of course, that's a bit of a bugger | 21:43 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Well, first of all, the data sent by the server has to be encoded with a unique key | 21:43 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Let us say your tablet's MAC | 21:43 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Indeed; I've outlined all this before. | 21:44 |
| satmd | the mac is not of much help | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Secondly, all executables should be automatically wrapped into code that checks mac at runtime | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | you really need to do the whole TPM thing | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think the CPU supports it. | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: The dumb data you cannot really protect, so there is no reason to try | 21:44 |
| xorAxAx | so people get a network disruption at program startup? | 21:44 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: it doesn't | 21:45 |
| xorAxAx | because the wrapper changes the address for a few secs | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, just off the whole damn Gate5. | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It sucks on S60, too. | 21:45 |
| RST38h | S60 Maps feel ok to me | 21:45 |
| RST38h | But then, I am not expecting a lot from them, they are running on a phone after all :) | 21:45 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: The N900 CPU can't do TPM? | 21:45 |
| ShadowJK | timeless: so what was it if it wasn't flash? Or was it just charging at 100mAh? | 21:45 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: well, i don't think so | 21:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | at least from discussions it seemed pretty clear it didn't have whatever they felt was needed | 21:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: it was flash | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Either way, there is no such thing as perfect copy protection. So, it makes sense to make things difficult enough for the attacker rather than chase the holy grail | 21:46 |
| Goliath23 | hi | 21:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i believe it was 500mA | 21:46 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Absolutely | 21:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | although it /might/ have been more | 21:47 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: that's presumably the real reason then for no Harmattan on N900... | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | TI advertises OMAP3's security stuff pretty heavily. | 21:47 |
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| mikhas | yeah, whatever the "TrustZone" really is | 21:47 |
| RST38h | General: most of this stuff is too heavy to be usable | 21:47 |
| RST38h | has to be supported at the system level, spreads into many subsystems like a virus, etc | 21:48 |
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| mikhas | or "M-Shield" | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | And almost mandates signed kernels | 21:48 |
| RST38h | Suits like it because the presentations come out just great. But in practice, it is easier to ignore this crap than use it | 21:48 |
| xorAxAx | well, maemo 6 will have a whole drm subsystem | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It works well if you have a locked down system - to add another layer or two of security. | 21:49 |
| xorAxAx | does anyone know about it? | 21:49 |
| timeless_mbp | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=503746 | 21:49 |
| aSIMULAtor | mr timeless | 21:51 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 21:51 |
| timeless_mbp | mrs aSIMULAtor | 21:51 |
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| aSIMULAtor | saying hello | 21:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | hello | 21:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs to find something from Other to install for menu symmetry. | 21:53 | |
| ShadowJK | oh no, voltage is dropping :) | 21:54 |
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| * RST38h moos at asimula | 21:57 | |
| ifreq | heyz | 21:57 |
| ifreq | wazd: what did you fix on last update? | 21:57 |
| * aSIMULAtor meows back at RST38h | 21:57 | |
| ifreq | noticed there was some update on theme today :) | 21:58 |
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| Goliath23 | ovek. you here? | 21:59 |
| iPeter- | Is there any own channel for N900 owners? | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 22:00 |
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| ml-mobile | apparently the Fry's here in Roseville has sold out of N900s | 22:02 |
| Diareal | Look at what Bittwist wrote me! <bittwist> My friend! I think this might interest you! Now that the Obama Nigger Tide is rapidly in retreat, the time for us to act is NOW! Tired of Niggers and their monkeyshines? Can't join the KKK because you are not White? This is Billy Mayes here with an amazing new website! Chimpout Forum! http://www.chimpout.com/forum Chimpout Forum welcomes anybody who hates niggers and isn't a nigger. A | 22:02 |
| Diareal | sian? No Problem! Jewish? We have Jewish mods! Mexican? Bienvenido amigo! No matter what race you are, join us if you hate niggers! | 22:02 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: ping | 22:02 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: idiot to remove | 22:02 |
| ml-mobile | :( | 22:02 |
| RevdKathy | Can we get rid of that please! | 22:03 |
| Goliath23 | yea | 22:03 |
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| RevdKathy | Diarrheaor whatever he's called | 22:03 |
| alterego | Erm .. Nice ... | 22:03 |
| RevdKathy | that's about what he's talking | 22:03 |
| alterego | Been a while since I've seen that. | 22:03 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa, VDVsx? | 22:04 |
| Myrtti | Diareal: so now you joined to this channel to inform us of that, adding to the noise and spreading his message? CLASSY! | 22:04 |
| Diareal | he is in here | 22:05 |
| Diareal | ban him | 22:05 |
| Diareal | bittwist | 22:05 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o GeneralAntilles | 22:05 | |
| *** GeneralAntilles sets mode: +b *!*@*.sd.sd.cox.net | 22:05 | |
| *** Diareal was kicked by GeneralAntilles (Bye) | 22:05 | |
| w00t | thankyou! | 22:05 |
| Goliath23 | ah | 22:05 |
| b-man17 | >:) | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | err, that's a quite wide ban | 22:05 |
| * GeneralAntilles was in the kitchen. | 22:05 | |
| RevdKathy | Thank you! | 22:05 |
| frals | wow, thats a wide banmask | 22:05 |
| Goliath23 | much better | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | and there goes my vibrating motor | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, somebody focus that for me. ;) | 22:05 |
| frals | doh, Stskeeps beat me to it | 22:05 |
| w00t | back to your regular programming, MADDE is nifty technology | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just making sure he's gone. | 22:05 |
| ShadowJK | It's only one US state | 22:06 |
| w00t | I don't think I'll be using pyside anymore | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: *!~*@ip72-207-23-78.sd.sd.cox.net .. let's assume the idiot doesn't have dynamic IP | 22:06 |
| frals | or *!*Diareal@*.sd.sd.cox.net, assuming he got dynamic IP but is too stupid to change ident ;) | 22:07 |
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| * GeneralAntilles sighs at his crappy client. | 22:07 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you fix it, Adium doesn't want to participate. | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which reminds me. . . . | 22:08 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: pong | 22:08 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: nm, GeneralAntilles beat you to it | 22:09 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is still tempted to create an IRC component. | 22:11 | |
| GeneralAntilles | bug #8728 | 22:11 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8728 Add maemo.org team to access list for #maemo | 22:11 |
| javispedro | to any who hate sbox: cross compiling is still a damn _nightmare_ | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: without scratchbox or with | 22:12 |
| javispedro | without | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes | 22:12 |
| Goliath23 | do you think there will be good integration of qtcreator with sbox / maemo sdk / debugging on n900? | 22:14 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: i still like the OBS approach. it just feels sane. | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:15 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: but too much webby IMO. I'd like it be local. | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: it has command line interface :P | 22:15 |
| javispedro | but you still to need an internet connection? | 22:16 |
| javispedro | s/to// | 22:16 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: but you still need an internet connection? | 22:16 |
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| Stskeeps | that is true, i do hate that | 22:16 |
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| Stskeeps | but you can technically work around that | 22:16 |
| RevdKathy | Baaaa sheep! | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | osc build MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04 *.dsc, sets up a nice chroot locally, builds | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:16 |
| sheepbat | baaa | 22:16 |
| javispedro | hm.. does ubuntu offer armv7 packages now? | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | on lucid | 22:17 |
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| javispedro | gentoo has improved a lot lately, but still after the few initial system packages everything breaks, and when you see emerge (1/100) and know that statistically half of them are broke, and the first build failure comes at package #2... demoralizing :) | 22:20 |
| Myrtti | fyi, diareal has now been k-lined with two different ip addresses | 22:20 |
| javispedro | (cross compiling) | 22:20 |
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| wazd | ifreq: minor fix (clock highlight) | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: which explains clearly why something like scratchbox is needed | 22:22 |
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| maromader | hello | 22:24 |
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| mece | oh.. I haven't tried it yet. | 22:25 |
| mece | oops | 22:25 |
| mece | hello | 22:26 |
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| mece | Is it normal to get a "warning, `debian/comic-widget/DEBIAN/control' contains user-defined field `Maemo-Icon-26'" when doing debian/rules binary ? | 22:29 |
| maromader | mece, probably, yeah | 22:29 |
| mece | I mean the icon, should it warn about it or does it mean there's something wrong with the icon? | 22:29 |
| solpete2 | is there an FTP server or client ? | 22:30 |
| maromader | I don't think there's something wrong | 22:30 |
| mece | maromader, ok, thanks. | 22:30 |
| ml-mobile | hmm | 22:30 |
| maromader | it's just that "Maemo-Icon-26" is not a proper field in Debian rules script | 22:30 |
| maromader | or something like that | 22:30 |
| ml-mobile | how do you restore the menu or toolbar in VNC | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | mece: fairly normal | 22:30 |
| maromader | it should build correctly | 22:30 |
| mece | yep, it does, but I haven't tested the icon. | 22:30 |
| maromader | btw, is there any way to enable avahi support in pulseaudio on N900? so that I could redirect audio from my PC over network? | 22:31 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/13-Mac-OS-X-10.3-running-on-the-N900!.html | 22:32 |
| * satmd listens | 22:32 | |
| Stskeeps | insane insane people | 22:32 |
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| mece | whoa!!! | 22:32 |
| mikhas | nice | 22:32 |
| maromader | oh my god | 22:32 |
| javispedro | I don't know about avahi, but you can redirect audio to the n900 PA | 22:32 |
| maromader | javispedro, how? any howtos? | 22:32 |
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| mikhas | so, this is more than you can get on your iphone, no? | 22:32 |
| wazd | it took almost 2 hours to reach the "About my Mac..." | 22:33 |
| b-man17 | Stskeeps: darn! i was gonna do that! xD | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: as i said, insane insane people | 22:33 |
| javispedro | maromader: no howtos, and currently it requires touching the PA cmd line or config file. | 22:33 |
| mikhas | the guy should have cleaned the display | 22:33 |
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| maromader | javispedro, I already reflashed 4 times, since I bought mine yesterday, I think I can manage the commandline ;) | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, somebody fails at applying screen protectors, too. | 22:34 |
| javispedro | maromader: install pulseaudio-module-extra package and then load PA module tcp | 22:34 |
| javispedro | maromader: use diferent port than default and auth_anonymous=1 | 22:34 |
| maromader | javispedro, thanks, I'll check it out | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | next up, iphone OS on n900 | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:34 |
| javispedro | symbian! symbian! | 22:34 |
| maromader | Stskeeps, android is already there, so... | 22:34 |
| ml-mobile | maemo on maemo! | 22:35 |
| maromader | Stskeeps, I think next one should be Linux ;) | 22:35 |
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| Stskeeps | maromader: Mer is ubuntu based, already runs | 22:35 |
| mece | omg, radical thinking ml-mobile. I like it! | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind seeing WebOS running. | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | like, for kicks | 22:35 |
| maromader | AmigaOS? ;-) | 22:35 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: open the microb :) | 22:35 |
| maromader | TOS? | 22:35 |
| * b-man17 is thinking of porting WebOS to see how it runs xD | 22:36 | |
| * javispedro notes than nobody seems to remember the Basilisk port | 22:36 | |
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| javispedro | WebOS is too closed | 22:37 |
| b-man17 | yup | 22:37 |
| b-man17 | sadly | 22:37 |
| wazd | and too dumb :) | 22:38 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: i have a rootfs laying about i was pondering to try and boot. | 22:38 |
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| javispedro | I have the rootfs around too | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | combine with serial console and it might actually work, heh | 22:38 |
| b-man17 | well | 22:39 |
| b-man17 | wouldn't DirectFB have issues? | 22:39 |
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| Stskeeps | not really | 22:39 |
| javispedro | maybe, only I tried was running individual binaries from Maemo. Directly booting it may have better luck or not :) | 22:39 |
| * b-man17 was not able to run DirectFB on his N800 | 22:39 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man17: omapfb in n900 is different | 22:39 |
| b-man17 | ah | 22:40 |
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| b-man17 | maybe it's worth a shot, for kicks | 22:40 |
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| solpete2 | is there a FTP GUI ? | 22:46 |
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| b-man17 | solpete2: gftp? | 22:48 |
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| solpete2 | b-man17 is it in devel ? | 22:50 |
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| Gilly | Can anyone explain how the album art works with ogg (on n900)? Also if someone knows a good program for editing ogg tags on linux that would be appreciated. | 22:56 |
| RevdKathy | darned phone - got to go | 22:56 |
| RevdKathy | g'night all! | 22:56 |
| b-man17 | c ya | 22:56 |
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| konttori | Any idea how to detect gtk.DrawingArea clicks? | 23:00 |
| konttori | (on python) | 23:01 |
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| konttori | hmm... no gtk wizards available ... sigh | 23:03 |
| mikhas | konttori, you probably need a http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkEventBox.html | 23:04 |
| konttori | cool. thanks | 23:04 |
| Pavel | Gilly: I use quodlibet. | 23:04 |
| mece | konttori, did you read that thing I posted in that thread that time? (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=16720&page=5) | 23:04 |
| Gilly | Pavel: thanks. | 23:05 |
| Pavel | Pavel: Or, if you want just the editor, I think Ex Falso is the standalone version. | 23:05 |
| mece | aahaha that reminds me of a quote, pop quiz, from which movie is this possibly, but not certainly accurate quote: "it's where I put that thing that time" | 23:06 |
| mece | ? | 23:06 |
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| konttori | mece: cool. No, I missed your reply. Great that you made it! | 23:07 |
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| wazd | ok | 23:08 |
| wazd | I guess Marina is finished now at last :) | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | woo :) | 23:10 |
| * Stskeeps gets out the champagne | 23:10 | |
| wazd | Stskeeps: hehe | 23:10 |
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| wazd | let's play "apple slogan game" - first 100% genuine theme :D | 23:13 |
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| zash | Pavel: ql is awesome! | 23:17 |
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| hrw|n900 | hi | 23:19 |
| pupnik | hi | 23:19 |
| hrw|n900 | Jaffa: online? | 23:19 |
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| Jaffa | hrw|n900: Yup | 23:20 |
| hrw|n900 | Jaffa: I have suggestion for Hermes. Let it uses IM accounts for fetching missing contacts data | 23:20 |
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| Jaffa | hrw|n900: How so? | 23:20 |
| konttori | mece: mikhas : thanks. I got it working! | 23:20 |
| mece | konttori, nice. What are you making? | 23:21 |
| mikhas | konttori, cool! | 23:21 |
| hrw|n900 | Jaffa: Jabber has 'userinfo' which is vcard. by default new IM contacts are added as JID only to contatcs | 23:21 |
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| konttori | Doing some new video player | 23:21 |
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| Jaffa | hrw|n900: Interesting | 23:21 |
| mece | interesting. | 23:21 |
| mece | :) | 23:21 |
| konttori | I kinda miss some features from the default player and want to have a different take. | 23:22 |
| Jaffa | konttori: Using MAFW? | 23:22 |
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| konttori | nope | 23:22 |
| hrw|n900 | Jaffa: so if you iterate over contacts you can get names, address etc. | 23:22 |
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| mikhas | like, understandable playlist interaction? | 23:22 |
| konttori | well, playlists... not so much yet. | 23:22 |
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| konttori | Now, I was working on the video player widget and setting the window to fullscreen by clicking on the video | 23:22 |
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| hrw|n900 | konttori: subtitles? remembering las played position? | 23:23 |
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| mikhas | I just gave up with that, I delete and copy the new stuff I want to hear in rotation =) | 23:23 |
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| konttori | even default player remembers last position. | 23:23 |
| konttori | yes, subtitles will be included | 23:23 |
| konttori | now, off to bed. | 23:23 |
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| hrw|gone | uf, got my machine back | 23:24 |
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| hrw|gone | Jaffa: so what do you think? | 23:26 |
| Jaffa | hrw|gone: Nice idea | 23:26 |
| hrw|gone | I wonder how hard it would be | 23:27 |
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| hrw|gone | anyway sleep time | 23:30 |
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| * timeless_mbp looks for someone w/ time to talk through a problem | 23:34 | |
| alterego | What kind of problem? :) | 23:35 |
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| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: what did you break now | 23:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | msgstr "Tap again to open the Application menu" | 23:36 |
| wazd | ok | 23:36 |
| timeless_mbp | msgstr "Tap again to show the Applications menu" | 23:36 |
| timeless_mbp | msgstr "Tap again …to show your Applications menu" | 23:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | that last one is what i broke | 23:36 |
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| wazd | can anybody please shoot me some screens with Marina for the blog? | 23:37 |
| Xisdibik | you broke your menu? | 23:37 |
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| wazd | cause SDK shots are really shitty | 23:37 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: what? | 23:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: i'm writing a script which builds automatic search+replaces based on locale packages | 23:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the first string is the original string | 23:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the second string is the target string | 23:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the third is the first + a compose of search and replaces based on all deltas between the first string-set and the second string-set | 23:38 |
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| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: hmm, I dont know if i would be much help with your problem then :/ | 23:38 |
| Xisdibik | the problem i have, is getting scim to work on the n900 :/ | 23:38 |
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| derf | Xisdibik: Good luck with that. | 23:40 |
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| derf | Supposedly microb doesn't support pre-edit properly. | 23:40 |
| timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: i need a programmer to use as a sounding board | 23:40 |
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| Xisdibik | derf: i mainly want it for typing emails/SMS messages in japanese ;) | 23:40 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: there is a fremantle theme in Extras-testing | 23:40 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: called Marina? | 23:41 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: called Marina. I've made it and I want to post the news to my blog :) But I don't have any screenshots without bug marks to post | 23:41 |
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| wazd | Xisdibik: I don't have my own n900 so I have to ask somebody to help every time :) | 23:42 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: i dont see it in the repos :/ | 23:42 |
| Xisdibik | and i have testing enabled | 23:42 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: hmm | 23:43 |
| Xisdibik | is it called something besides just Marina? | 23:43 |
| Xisdibik | like n900-theme-Marina or something? | 23:43 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/hildon-theme-marina/1.02/ | 23:43 |
| Xisdibik | ah hildon-theme-marina ;P | 23:43 |
| Xisdibik | ill check after i refresh the repos just incase it was an old list | 23:43 |
| Xisdibik | i see it | 23:44 |
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| wazd | Xisdibik: thanks | 23:45 |
| Xisdibik | though, i dont know how to take screenshots on the n900 ;) | 23:46 |
| Xisdibik | but its installin it | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-shift-p | 23:47 |
| Xisdibik | wheres the default location of the picture? | 23:47 |
| Xisdibik | Images? | 23:47 |
| wazd | I guess so | 23:48 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: You want a clean screenshot, or a dirty one (with icons on the desktop) | 23:48 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: as dirty as possible :) | 23:48 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: but arranged in some way if it's possible) | 23:48 |
| Xisdibik | i have one page that is | 23:49 |
| Xisdibik | Calender, AP news, email phone contacts, and the data connection upload download amounts | 23:49 |
| Xisdibik | that dirty enough for u ? :p | 23:49 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: desktop, browser, some apps, task switcher, whatever you like | 23:49 |
| wazd | phone would be nice too | 23:49 |
| Xisdibik | kk | 23:49 |
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| Xisdibik | oki doki | 23:51 |
| Xisdibik | now i just need to upload them | 23:51 |
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| Stskeeps | wb andre__ | 23:54 |
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| andre__ | ayayay Stskeeps! | 23:54 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: http://imagebin.org/82751 | 23:55 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: http://imagebin.org/82752 | 23:56 |
| wazd | andre__: heya | 23:57 |
| kimitake | Xisdibik, are you using maemocjk's scim? | 23:57 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: http://imagebin.org/82753 | 23:57 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: awesome | 23:57 |
| Xisdibik | kimitake: i tried a few couldnt get any of them to work, did u get it to work? | 23:57 |
| Xisdibik | i think i have your blog bookmarked kimitake | 23:57 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: ah crap forgot the phone one, ill take it in a sec | 23:57 |
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| Xisdibik | wazd: http://imagebin.org/82754 | 23:58 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: oh, calculator would be nice too :P | 23:58 |
| red | could someone paste my join message | 23:59 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: anything else? :P | 23:59 |
| red | and / or tell if there was a host change message | 23:59 |
| red | or if I joined with my current hostname to begin with? | 23:59 |
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