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| wazd | Cooold | 00:03 |
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| thresh | would be better in 12 hours | 00:03 |
| wazd | In heaven?) | 00:04 |
| thresh | if you all moscow a heaven, yes :P | 00:04 |
| thresh | i don't know what i meant by the last phrase | 00:05 |
| thresh | probably 'call' | 00:05 |
| wazd | Im at the country now, so I'll soon be seing jesus I guess) | 00:06 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: do you remember the URL for that slide with the HW platform intended for M6? | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | or a picture or something | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, Flickr, maybe? Dunno. | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check the Summit tags on Flickr, probably. | 00:09 |
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| wazd | Will there be any videos from the summit?) | 00:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I think they're up. | 00:11 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: I saw only music one and t-shirt giveaway | 00:11 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: btw, saw how application downloader looks now - it needs some more work to look perfect) But I hope it works as expected) | 00:16 |
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| RevAaron | ShadowJK: ahoy! what were those battery readings again? I've got 3.7V on the battery in my N800. you may not be here, but I thought I'd try. :) | 00:19 |
| wazd | K, sleeping now, cya all | 00:20 |
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| mece | I'm considering trying to get my comic widget to extras-devel. | 00:23 |
| mece | All that packaging this and that seems like hard work though. | 00:24 |
| RevAaron | amen | 00:24 |
| RevAaron | like getting out of bed- not worth it! | 00:24 |
| mece | aaahaha :D | 00:24 |
| mece | indeed. | 00:24 |
| RevAaron | :D | 00:24 |
| RevAaron | sorry, couldn't help it | 00:25 |
| mece | I guess it's not that hard if you know how to do it. | 00:25 |
| RevAaron | and there are guides enough to smooth it along | 00:25 |
| mece | RevAaron, yep, but I still feel confused. Perhaps I should read through them again. | 00:26 |
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| RevAaron | or, perhaps someone would give you a hand! | 00:26 |
| RevAaron | i'd guess that the bigger issue is knowing it works for sure when installed somewhere, that the deps, libraries, and paths are all packaged properly | 00:26 |
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| mece | RevAaron, yes, well I have my own device to test it on. And a few friends :) | 00:27 |
| RevAaron | yeah, devices other than your own | 00:27 |
| mece | Yay! just got dilbert workin! | 00:27 |
| RevAaron | woot! | 00:27 |
| * RevAaron is crossing his fingers- i actually got the USB loader to come up on my N800 | 00:28 | |
| RevAaron | i was just in here a day or two ago asking for ideas on how to ressurect this lil guy. previously, i wasn't able to boot it or even get to the USB bootloader | 00:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:29 |
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| Matthew- | w/ii greyer | 00:29 |
| Matthew- | oops ;D | 00:29 |
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| odin_ | jebba, I am wanting a test area, to test out the submissions process of the maemo autobuilder... of course I can build what I have in scratchbox, but I wish to download what the autobuilder created and test it BEFORE it becomes publicly available (in fact I just want to arbitrarily throw something at it and it store it against my user account for manual web download) | 00:31 |
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| RevAaron | wtf, suddenly my n800 works again | 00:33 |
| RevAaron | WOOT | 00:33 |
| odin_ | are there any issue with maemo5 packages tracking etch packages ? I am trying to keep the maintenance work down, i.e. where there should not be any problem track official debian releases so fixing and updates become a breeze | 00:33 |
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| mece | RevAaron, :D | 00:33 |
| jebba | odin_: i'm rebuilding etch for maemo 5 right now. | 00:34 |
| odin_ | thats not exactly that useful, you mean you are porting it ? just building it is not that useful | 00:35 |
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| RevAaron | mece: for real! I've had a problem with it for a year and a half, where it stops being able to boot, even when it seems to have a good charge; just fails and turns off or reboots. haven't been able to reflash ir or anything. | 00:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | how old is the battery? | 00:35 |
| jebba | well, its over 10,000 packages. But i figure just having some of them there will help people get up and rolling quickly and not have to build missing deps and such. Plus there's a metric ton of cool debian command line apps in there as well. | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | .[ | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ->rev | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=501743&postcount=355 | 00:36 |
| RevAaron | SpeedEvil: well, now it's a year and a half of so. but the problem started happening 6 months after I got it. I got it early in their release, part of a developer program. | 00:36 |
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| odin_ | jebba what would really be more useful, is lenny for scratchbox :) | 00:41 |
| odin_ | then at least lenny stuff can be built out-of-the-box | 00:42 |
| mece | hmm.. was there a way to prevent tracker from indexing a directory? | 00:43 |
| odin_ | check ~/.trackerd.conf or something | 00:43 |
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| odin_ | ok its /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 00:44 |
| jebba | odin_: usually for lenny just debhelper to 5 and debian compat to 5. | 00:44 |
| jebba | and it seems to build ;) | 00:44 |
| mece | odin_, thanks | 00:45 |
| odin_ | nah missing packages in the BuildDepends | 00:45 |
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| mece | is it just my photos application that doesn't understand gifs? | 00:47 |
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| odin_ | mece, what is your photo app called? and why do you say it doesn't understand GIFs ? | 00:49 |
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| ScribbleJ | GIFs have a lot of issues, they keep to themselves. It can really take a lot of warming them up before they will talk. I suggest trying to really /listen/. | 00:50 |
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| ShadowJK | RevAaron, it doesn't sound too bad.. | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | pointing to earlier issues! | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | does it boot just on battery? | 00:51 |
| jebba | odin_: there's lots of missing build depends (in both), because hundreds (thousands) of base libraries haven't been built (or at least aren't in extras-devel yet). | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | oh you said it works already :) | 00:52 |
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| odin_ | jebba, can the community release packages for building on the SDK ? | 00:52 |
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| odin_ | jebba, sorry to be clear.... the target is the SDK (no armel for the handset, NOR x86 for the scratchbox devel enviroment), I mean the sdk/tools | 00:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | jebba: you're pushing everything in edge into extras-devel? | 00:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | s/dg/tc/ | 00:54 |
| infobot | SpeedEvil meant: jebba: you're pushing everything in etce into extras-devel? | 00:54 |
| jebba | SpeedEvil: i haven't pushed anything yet, but i could (etch). Of the packages which are known to compile for maemo5 | 00:54 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: nope, this time it worked- i'm not sure why. i attempted to boot by itself, didn't work, took the batt out, tested at 3.7V, got out a usb cable and just tried it again. this time i got the usb logo in the corner- i wasn't able to get to that last tiem i tried it, a month ago. and not for low battery- it just hung on that initial screen, never got the usb thing and it took a long time before powering off. :D | 00:54 |
| ShadowJK | hm, did you try taking out the battery before? | 00:54 |
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| RevAaron | ShadowJK: yes, many times | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | weird :) | 00:55 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: when this problem started happening that'd what i'd have to do to get it to boot. see, it was just suddenly turn off. and when i'd boot it again, it wouldn't actually boot up. | 00:55 |
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| RevAaron | ShadowJK: at first, i thought it was something based on movement- that snapping closed the kickstand was wiggling something free. but i think that just happened to be the coincidental timing on the first time it happened. | 00:56 |
| ShadowJK | :/ | 00:56 |
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| RevAaron | ShadowJK: anyway, i'm not crossing my fingers that it'll keep working, but it does something for now. if it was a software thing, at least i was able to get the most recent version on. the flasher downloaded a DIABLO release- should I still be worried about the power supply amperage/voltage? | 00:56 |
| bennypr0fane | Hello, is it possible to use IM services on the N900 other than the ones preinstalled? like Yahoo IM, Windows Live, ICQ? If yes, which would be the app that does that? | 00:57 |
| voltagex | hi, on the N900, is there a conf file storing the Internet radio stations for mediaplayer? | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | When/if the battery degrades sufficiently, the stronger chargers become unable to charge | 00:57 |
| voltagex | bennypr0fane: pidgin works | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | But not every battery degrades to that point | 00:57 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: but that's just it- it wasn't a charging thing. it would suddenly shut off, and i could get it back up after trying to reboot and popping the battery out a few times. and then it would work for 2 more hours. | 00:58 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: same problem when on AC | 00:58 |
| * RevAaron shrugs | 00:58 | |
| ShadowJK | Sounds unrelated to power then :) | 00:58 |
| RevAaron | yeah | 00:59 |
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| wiretapped | bennypr0fane: you can use pidgin, or install telepathy-haze to make the built-in client use pidgin's protocol implementations | 01:00 |
| wiretapped | if you want otr, use pidgin (pidgin-otr is in extras-devel) | 01:00 |
| wiretapped | if you don't want otr, i'd recommend sticking with the built-in client and just adding more protocol plugins | 01:01 |
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| * wiretapped wants otr in the built-in client :( | 01:01 | |
| vinsci2 | I'm trying to install pc-connectivity on a Debian Sid box, using the sources.list line: "deb http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/repository/ intrepid main" as described in the installation guide. Not found. Ideas? | 01:01 |
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| vinsci2 | these are the instructions, btw: http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/node3.html#SECTION00032000000000000000 | 01:03 |
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| sp3000 | whaddayaknow, that helped ;) | 01:09 |
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| odin_ | ah damn dh_installexamples does not support the concept of a --prefix | 01:15 |
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| vinsci2 | hmm, pc-connectivity not listed as a product on bugs.maemo.org | 01:22 |
| bennypr0fane | I'm afraidf i don't even know what otr is. you mean IM encryption? | 01:23 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a johnx | 01:24 |
| odin_ | no wonder people are still installing files into rootfs, as dh_installexamples dh_installman dh_installinfo dh_installdocs none support --prefix concept to move them | 01:24 |
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| vinsci2 | bennypr0fane, introduction here http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/node2.html | 01:24 |
| odin_ | maybe maemo-optify can bodge around that (but better to get debhelper support for --prefix, or just modify the SDK one) | 01:24 |
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| bennypr0fane | wiretapped do the plugins for the built-in IM client have other names or are they just called "plugins for IM"? | 01:25 |
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| t-tan | odin_: feel free to add --prefix patches to debhelper7 | 01:27 |
| pupnik | ty odin_ | 01:27 |
| bennypr0fane | vinsci2 introduction to maemo pc connectivity? is that related to IM? | 01:27 |
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| wiretapped | bennypr0fane: http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-haze/ | 01:27 |
| wiretapped | so, it looks like you need to get haze from extras-testing... i think there is some disclaimer I'm supposed to give you along with this information | 01:28 |
| wiretapped | in a nutshell: extras-testing is a testbed for extras, use at your own risk. | 01:28 |
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| pupnik | alias pupnikconfuser='dh_' | 01:28 |
| bennypr0fane | wiretapped got it, thanks | 01:28 |
| wiretapped | there are some telepathy-something packages in extras also which do individual protocols, but haze will do lots | 01:29 |
| vinsci2 | bennypr0fane, oops - I see your earlier question now. Thought you were replying to mine... | 01:30 |
| odin_ | pupnik, what was the thank you for ? (scratching me head over how I helped you) | 01:31 |
| bennypr0fane | vinsci2: sorry, not a clue.... | 01:31 |
| odin_ | t-tan, the SDK uses debhelper 5.0.42-0osso1 (so patches for 7 are not that useful to community now) | 01:31 |
| t-tan | odin_: if you need lenny tools, try SDK+ (but It's not on autobuilder) | 01:31 |
| t-tan | odin_: no, look at by backport called debhelper7 - you can use it within SDK+autobuilder | 01:32 |
| bennypr0fane | wiretapped: thanks for the help, that's awesome! | 01:32 |
| pupnik | t-tan: can it do -prefixing for configure and opt? | 01:32 |
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| odin_ | apt-cache showpkg debhelper7 : W: Unable to locate package debhelper7 | 01:33 |
| odin_ | what is with this backporting, thats a serious waste of community time and effort | 01:33 |
| t-tan | odin_: it's in extras-devel, it's a straight version 7 port - no maemo specifiy extras yet | 01:34 |
| odin_ | SDK should be upto lenny level (with etch compatibility) | 01:34 |
| pupnik | lololol | 01:34 |
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| pupnik | maie it! | 01:34 |
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| t-tan | odin_: yes, there are lots of design flaws in the N900 and SDK/autobuilder... | 01:35 |
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| t-tan | odin_: but Nokia wants us to buy the N910 with harmattan, so they tried their best not to make the N900 to good :) | 01:36 |
| odin_ | maybe that is a project for a few months time.. looking at how to build the SDK and working out how Nokia can release etch/lenny and sarge based versions, lag in the SDK means lag in maintenance and lots of bug fix and effort duplication | 01:36 |
| vinsci2 | ah, that touches on my next question, odin_ | 01:37 |
| bennypr0fane | guys, i have another question: is it possible to perform a global search on n900? I mean searching for a given string of characters in files, file names, e-mails, text msgs etc. across the whole device, like e.g. google desktop does | 01:37 |
| t-tan | scratchbox 1.x is a dead project - do not waste time with it | 01:37 |
| vinsci2 | how to install the SDK on Debian Sid? :-) | 01:37 |
| odin_ | we will have to see how the next model looks but I'm all for getting multiple phone formats out there at once, its unlikely an iPhone equivalent would appeal to me (i.e. no keyboard, no usb host) | 01:38 |
| t-tan | odin_: agreed USB host is a must | 01:38 |
| ptl_ | does anyone have the solution for sound on Maemo 5 SDK scratchbox and ubuntu Karmic Koala? | 01:39 |
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| t-tan | BTW, there is #maemo-devel for SDK related chats... | 01:40 |
| ptl | ok | 01:40 |
| odin_ | yes understood on scratchbox 1.x being dead | 01:40 |
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| odin_ | I think 2 USB ports one mini and one micro, (i.e. keep the N900 as-is, charger port and usb2go) with another port for hostmode | 01:40 |
| vinsci2 | thanks, t-tan | 01:41 |
| odin_ | I did not know that, I shall monitor #maemo-devel too | 01:41 |
| t-tan | odin_: I'm also porting lots of lenny/lucid packages ATM. I've already ported most of the relevant builddeps | 01:44 |
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| kynky | micro can handle more insertions, and with usb just get a usb hub, spec can handle upto 128 devices | 01:45 |
| odin_ | how do you use your debhelper7 in the SDK, if its inside the extras-devel ? isn't that for on device and in scratchbox (device emulation) only repo ? | 01:46 |
| odin_ | need debhelper7 in fremantle/tools repo | 01:46 |
| pupnik | need? | 01:46 |
| odin_ | need debhelper7 in fremantle/sdk repo | 01:46 |
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| odin_ | yes otherwise anything I create and submit to autobuilder can use/see it | 01:46 |
| pupnik | ah | 01:47 |
| t-tan | odin_: I've put some links to the bottom of http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application | 01:47 |
| pupnik | ty t-tan | 01:47 |
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| t-tan | odin_: you only need it for building - not on device, so extras-devel is fine | 01:47 |
| odin_ | but extras-devel is on device and in emulator repo (its not an SDK repo) | 01:48 |
| t-tan | odin_: ? you can add it to your sources.list | 01:48 |
| odin_ | I'm not trying to build packages just for me here | 01:49 |
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| odin_ | what you are proposing is that in my devian/rule I edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file of the SDK autobuilder and have it unstall random stuff ? so I can use it to build with later on in the rules file | 01:49 |
| odin_ | i.e. this is not a solution | 01:49 |
| t-tan | odin_: you add debhelper7 to builddeps, it's build on autobuilder, and the packages can then be promoted to extras | 01:49 |
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| odin_ | so there is an SDK version (or debhelper7) ? | 01:50 |
| t-tan | odin_: I've already successfully uploaded packages using debhelper7 | 01:50 |
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| odin_ | i.e. where do I download the autobuilders copy using host-gcc (within the SDK) so I can use it in my SDK | 01:50 |
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| odin_ | an x86 copy build with cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 will not work to build an armel target | 01:51 |
| t-tan | odin_: ? in the SDK you apt-get install debhelper7 and use it. very simple | 01:51 |
| t-tan | odin_: debhelper is perl - not binary | 01:52 |
| odin_ | armel target uses SDK with compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7, x86 target uses SDK with compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486, SDK target uses SDK with compiler: host-gcc (these are 3 different compilers and targets and the reason extra-devel is seperate from fremantle/sdk) | 01:52 |
| odin_ | apt-cache showpkg debhelper7 : W: Unable to locate package debhelper7 | 01:53 |
| bennypr0fane | Ok, let me rephrase that question: does google desktop work on the n900? | 01:53 |
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| odin_ | anyone configuring up extras-devel for their SDK is making a mistake | 01:53 |
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| t-tan | odin_: *confused* what? why? | 01:54 |
| odin_ | understood that debhelper7 is a noarch package, but it seems like a trick to use extras-devel inside the SDK, when fremantle/sdk is the repo for that | 01:54 |
| bennypr0fane | it seems to need glibc 2.3.2+ and gtk+ 2.2.0+ does Maemo have that? | 01:54 |
| odin_ | because non of the binaries run in the SDK | 01:54 |
| t-tan | odin_: I think you're mixing up several things. fremantle/sdk is the official Nokia SDK repository with the outdated stuff | 01:55 |
| odin_ | take an x86 binary from fremantle/sdk (and it will work always inside the SDK, no matter what target you are working with, for example it even works for FREMANTLE_ARMEL target) | 01:55 |
| t-tan | odin_: extras-devel is where all development is happening | 01:56 |
| odin_ | take an x86 binary from extra-devel (and it will not work if your target it set to FREMANTLE_ARMEL, but it will work if you setup your target for FREMANTLE_X86) | 01:56 |
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| t-tan | odin_: the arch packages in extras-devel are compiled for both targets. what you mean are the scratchbox tools, which override the sdk tools | 01:57 |
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| odin_ | all development for the device (the maemo platform, i.e. stuff that will run in the N900) | 01:57 |
| odin_ | there are 3 targets here | 01:57 |
| t-tan | odin_: e.g. /usr/bin/perl is replaced by /scratchbox/...longpath.../bin/perl | 01:57 |
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| odin_ | there are 2 for developers and 1 for the SDK itself | 01:57 |
| * vinsci2 tries downloading the *-connectivity packages from the pool instead (as apt-get on Debian Sid won't find them), http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/repository/pool/intrepid/main/ | 01:58 | |
| odin_ | no I'm actually talking about ldd/ld-linux compatibility at runtime, there are 3 targets in total | 01:58 |
| odin_ | ldd /usr/bin/perl, ldd ./test-program-armel, ldd ./test-program-x86 (check out the libc paths) | 01:59 |
| vinsci2 | all of 7KB/s downloading from pc-pconnectivity.maemo.org... not impressed | 01:59 |
| t-tan | odin_: so why is your SDK target relevant for development? if you develop for Maemo you test on x86, and maybe compile armel for ondevice tests | 02:00 |
| vinsci2 | er, pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org | 02:00 |
| odin_ | but my issue is with the build process | 02:00 |
| odin_ | the SDK | 02:00 |
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| t-tan | odin_: I didn't follow the previous discussion - so maybe is missed something. | 02:01 |
| lopz | hi ;-] | 02:01 |
| pupnik | i got confused by odin also | 02:01 |
| odin_ | as in I fully understand the tools available to me as an application developer to test and finally release an application intended to run on the N900 (maemo platform) | 02:01 |
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| t-tan | odin_: can you give a specific example? | 02:01 |
| odin_ | but my entry point to this discussion as over needing to fix the SDK, due to limitations | 02:01 |
| odin_ | yes the example that a number of the /usr/bin/dh_* tools do not support --prefix | 02:02 |
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| t-tan | odin_: we cannot fix the scratchbox+standard SDK, we can only override parts it - see my debhelper7 trick | 02:02 |
| odin_ | to make that fix the SDK needs a patch (the solution can not be achieve by releasing something into extras-devel) | 02:02 |
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| pupnik | perhaps you have interest in joining sdk community | 02:03 |
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| t-tan | odin_: if want to fix it for all packages automatically w/o modification - no that's not possible | 02:03 |
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| pupnik | the builddeps we have now are light years ahead of 2007 :) | 02:04 |
| t-tan | odin_: it's another design flaw that scratchbox tools have debhelper - it's should only have gcc/dpkg | 02:04 |
| odin_ | lol no... of course not.. but its not possible for anyone until an updated debhelper for the SDK comes out (with a change people can use) | 02:04 |
| pupnik | t-tan: how build packages w/o dh? | 02:05 |
| odin_ | pupnik, what is the "sdk community" you mean scratchbox ? or the "maemo sdk community" ? | 02:05 |
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| t-tan | pupnik: the idea is that you would install debhelper within the rootstrap, and it would be not overriden by the tools | 02:05 |
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| odin_ | you mean a more spartan and basic scratchbox (with everything else on top configurable) | 02:06 |
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| t-tan | odin_: correct | 02:06 |
| t-tan | odin_: that's what I tried initially. move all conflicting outdated binaries in the devkits away | 02:07 |
| pupnik | ah ty t-tan | 02:07 |
| pupnik | odin_: i imagine much can be done to help upcoming release of maemo sdk | 02:08 |
| t-tan | so as a temporary fix - to use the installed debs instead of the devkits you need to make heavy use of SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE | 02:08 |
| t-tan | pupnik: I doubt that Nokia would introduce large changes - that's all reserved for harmattan | 02:09 |
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| odin_ | sure but getting an/multiple SDK enviroments that are effectively etch/lenny and sarge that just all work | 02:09 |
| t-tan | they are extremely conservative - they even sticked to 2006 build tools... | 02:09 |
| odin_ | would allow maintainers to do less work | 02:09 |
| pupnik | k ty for the info | 02:10 |
| t-tan | odin_: they could simply officially support the SDK+ (which already has lenny) | 02:10 |
| t-tan | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ | 02:11 |
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| voltagex | If I wanted an unsupported phone, I would have bought an OpenMoko... | 02:11 |
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| javispedro | damn tmo | 02:13 |
| odin_ | the extras-devel auto-builder is only using the support SDK so SDK+ is of no benifit to anyone but an application developer ? | 02:13 |
| t-tan | odin_: correct. AFAIK Mer has a much more sophisticated autobuilder | 02:14 |
| odin_ | well it doesn't need to be sophisticated, the battle being fought is over wanting recent versions of software to be built but because its based on etch is doesn't just work out-the-box | 02:15 |
| odin_ | you have to port them (backport them!) what a waste of community time | 02:15 |
| odin_ | so the question is, what could be done to stop that scenario happening | 02:15 |
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| t-tan | odin_: what specific build dependencies are you missing? | 02:17 |
| odin_ | answer I can come up with is, simply have 3 versions of SDK that people want to use, etch, lenny and sarge (what I mean by this is that built in tools, base debian system as based off those distributions) so when I run "dpkg -l foobar" I get a newer version I can build with | 02:17 |
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| odin_ | but the Nokia N900 libraries remain the same across all versions (the compile/link time stuff) | 02:17 |
| odin_ | ok let me see... | 02:17 |
| odin_ | texlive-latex-base (take that one) | 02:18 |
| t-tan | odin_: my TeXlive2009 port is in extras-devel | 02:18 |
| odin_ | built with host-gcc ? i.e. for SDK ? | 02:19 |
| cehteh | yes i am TeX user .. but i wonder for what one needs that on the n900 | 02:19 |
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| cehteh | anyone ported a printing system yet? | 02:19 |
| odin_ | stop throwing any FREMANTLE_X86 or FREMANTLE_ARMEL target stuff at me, as if it is SDK stuff, it is not | 02:19 |
| t-tan | yes, can be promoted to extras as soon as some problems are resolved | 02:19 |
| odin_ | that is the point... I don't need it on the N900, I just need it inside the SDK | 02:19 |
| odin_ | I shall never install it on N900 | 02:19 |
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| javispedro | so you want a latex devkit. | 02:20 |
| javispedro | why? is any latex stuff that much CPU consuming? | 02:21 |
| odin_ | I'm not a latex man, so I don't know what I need, I just want a "Build Dependancy" resolved correctly, not bodged around | 02:21 |
| javispedro | a Build-Dependency on latex? | 02:21 |
| t-tan | cehteh: the are many applications: matplotlib text formatting, revising papers on the device ... | 02:21 |
| t-tan | odin_: you can install it on both the N900 (its optified) and the SDK | 02:21 |
| odin_ | all I can do is all out the missing build dependencies stopping lenny applications from being built on the SDK out-the-box | 02:21 |
| odin_ | s/is all out/is call out/ | 02:21 |
| infobot | odin_ meant: all I can do is call out the missing build dependencies stopping lenny applications from being built on the SDK out-the-box | 02:22 |
| javispedro | with that logic in mind, why not put gtk1.2 too. | 02:22 |
| javispedro | it's also stopping all lenny packages from building in sbox. | 02:22 |
| t-tan | the build dep on latex is often only for the docs, which can be omitted | 02:22 |
| odin_ | yes this is the same problem, just a different build dependency | 02:22 |
| javispedro | SO what one usually does is | 02:23 |
| t-tan | javispedro: latex works perfectly on embedded devices | 02:23 |
| javispedro | either remove the dependency (which is what I suggest here) | 02:23 |
| javispedro | or package the dependency (which has been done already) | 02:23 |
| javispedro | or (in case it is a CPU consuming build dependency) create a new sbox devkit (which is clearly not the case here) | 02:23 |
| odin_ | its been packaged for the device, great.. but I want it for the SDK | 02:23 |
| t-tan | odin_: there is NO conflict - everything for the device can be installed on the SDK as well | 02:24 |
| javispedro | (the only reason I could think for that weird "desire":) the SDK qemu doesn't run latex? | 02:24 |
| odin_ | I want it linked against /scratchbox/host_shared/* | 02:24 |
| t-tan | odin_: why? if it's only a build dependency? | 02:24 |
| javispedro | odin_: that is a very stupid thing to do unless you plan a devkit. and I don't recommend a devkit for this. | 02:25 |
| AOK | Sooo | 02:25 |
| odin_ | if its a build time dependency its the SDK version that should be used | 02:25 |
| AOK | I need some help | 02:25 |
| AOK | :) | 02:25 |
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| odin_ | otherwise I have to install 2 versions every time and it uses the DEVICES copy of libraries to run | 02:25 |
| t-tan | odin_: I don't understand why you insist on that? | 02:25 |
| javispedro | odin_: that's the proper way. | 02:25 |
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| odin_ | the device's runtime libs have nothing to do with the build time libs | 02:26 |
| odin_ | the device has a different lifecycle to the SDK | 02:26 |
| odin_ | the SDK can continue forever to use newer stuff, while the runtime libs for N900 stay based around what Nokia release when they release it | 02:27 |
| t-tan | if you want max control you should as much as possible from device | 02:27 |
| AOK | Soo ON my Nokia N900 I used the DEVICE LOCK feature. And put a code | 02:27 |
| javispedro | odin_: that's not true. the SDK so far has received an update with each new device pr. | 02:27 |
| AOK | Which I was asked for in order to enable the feature.... It turned out that I have mistyped the code and don't know it at all | 02:28 |
| javispedro | (and much like the older SDKs) will stop receiving updates with the last OS upgrade. | 02:28 |
| AOK | how can I RESET that | 02:28 |
| odin_ | javispedro, sure.. and there is nothing wrong with that, but there is no reason the SDK can not be based on lenny/sarge/beleeding-edge stuff, but still work perfectly to link again current N900 runtime libs | 02:28 |
| javispedro | odin_: IN FACT the SDK uses sarge packaging tools but more recent "libs". | 02:28 |
| javispedro | and those libs match the device's. | 02:28 |
| vinsci2 | aok, you mistyped the code the same way twice when setting it? | 02:29 |
| AOK | no | 02:29 |
| AOK | when trying to enable it | 02:29 |
| AOK | but otherwise don't know... it seems | 02:29 |
| AOK | yes | 02:29 |
| odin_ | well observe /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/libc-2.3.2.so and /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/lib/libc-2.5.so versions | 02:29 |
| AOK | I am very absent minded vinsci2 | 02:29 |
| t-tan | odin_: how would make sure that stuff build with newer libs also works on the device? | 02:29 |
| odin_ | there is no reason why SDK should not be using libc-2.11.1.so | 02:29 |
| javispedro | odin_: there's no reason why SDK "tools"/"devkits" to be using any libc version, too. | 02:30 |
| vinsci2 | AOK, I'd guess that one of the digits wasn't enterered. Perhaps try leaving each one out, i turn? | 02:30 |
| javispedro | in fact my vdso patches patch that libc. | 02:30 |
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| javispedro | s/too/true. | 02:30 |
| AOK | vinsci2: trust me... I tried a lot of combinations | 02:30 |
| odin_ | what I am explaining, does not affect the object code or linkage created for either FREMANTLE_ARMEL or FREMANTLE_X86 (your question indicates you're not understanding the 3 targets that exist) | 02:31 |
| javispedro | odin_: that's why they're called TOOLS. | 02:31 |
| odin_ | the 3 targets are /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/libc-2.3.2.so /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/lib/libc-2.5.so and /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/i486-pc-linux-gnu/libc/lib/libc-2.5.so | 02:31 |
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| vinsci2 | aok, google comes up with this: http://nfader.z-host.ru/ | 02:32 |
| odin_ | I am looking at it like this, in order to reduce wasted community time on this "backporting" concept, you simply needs scratchbox tooling to be as per the official i686 version of debian lenny/sarge (i.e. for host-gcc) | 02:33 |
| t-tan | odin_: yes, I understand. but I don't understand why you even want to touch that dead beast | 02:33 |
| javispedro | odin_: true. | 02:33 |
| javispedro | (though that's a _hard_ thing) | 02:33 |
| odin_ | maybe thats what I don't understand, the reasons why it is hard! | 02:33 |
| javispedro | odin_: you have to understand that "tools"/"devkits" are THE EXCEPTION, not the rule. | 02:33 |
| t-tan | odin_: yes, we all agree. but that's much more work than backport a few packages | 02:33 |
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| javispedro | odin_: ideally every package would be native, but, for performance/qemu breackage/black magic reasons, there are devkits . | 02:34 |
| odin_ | I'm thinking that doing a download and grep of all *.dsc files and looking for packages in Build-Depends and building them natively ? | 02:35 |
| javispedro | so, like in this case where you have a perfectly functional native latex package, use it. | 02:35 |
| javispedro | odin_: if you want hildon with a more recent base system, have a look at mer. | 02:35 |
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| t-tan | odin_: yes, or first try replacing them with the existing version and check whether it works | 02:36 |
| odin_ | native is host-gcc, I don't look at FREMANTLE_X86 i native (sure its CPU native, but it uses potentially bastardized Nokia libc) | 02:36 |
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| odin_ | s/X86 i native/X86 as native/ | 02:36 |
| infobot | odin_ meant: native is host-gcc, I don't look at FREMANTLE_X86 as native (sure its CPU native, but it uses potentially bastardized Nokia libc) | 02:36 |
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| javispedro | by "native" I mean x86 on _X86, armel on _ARMEL | 02:36 |
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| odin_ | only host-gcc qualified a native here | 02:36 |
| javispedro | "native to the target", if you wish. | 02:37 |
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| odin_ | as N900 evolved host runtime libs will become bastardized away from debian's tree (my thinking keeps this disconnection and independant requirements/lifecycles apart) | 02:38 |
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| vinsci2 | AOK, any luck? | 02:38 |
| javispedro | n900 doesn't evolve. | 02:38 |
| odin_ | lol | 02:38 |
| javispedro | and fremantle won't either. | 02:39 |
| odin_ | but I'm sure Nokia's bank balance will ! | 02:39 |
| t-tan | odin_: our problem is that libc and mostly gtk/hildon are severly out of sync. Qt (the future) is not | 02:39 |
| javispedro | if there's a breaking libc change any day, be assured the resulting thing won't be named fremantle. | 02:39 |
| AOK | vinsci2: | 02:40 |
| AOK | vinsci2: Will NOT work on any of BB5 generation (all newest phones), like: | 02:40 |
| AOK | 3250, 5300, 5310, 5400, 5500, 6125, 6131, 6233, 6234, 6280, 6282, 6630, 6680, 6681, 6682, 7370, 7373, 7390, all E-series, all N-series. | 02:40 |
| AOK | Including my N900 already tried | 02:40 |
| AOK | it ;-) | 02:40 |
| AOK | but thanks anyways | 02:40 |
| vinsci2 | oh | 02:40 |
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| AOK | I thought of some file on LINUX | 02:40 |
| vinsci2 | aok, got any user data on it you care for? | 02:40 |
| odin_ | I look at our problem in that the SDK needs to be as uptodate and independatly updatable as possible, do that and all the maintenance headache between taking official debian stuff and making it work will disappear | 02:40 |
| vinsci2 | AOK, the FAQ on that site lists a code to enter which apparently resets the phone to factory defaults (and erases your user data) | 02:41 |
| AOK | well I don't want that | 02:41 |
| vinsci2 | AOK, I have no idea if that works on the N900, but I tried a few of the others and they worked | 02:41 |
| ShadowJK | like that would work.. | 02:41 |
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| javispedro | odin_: do you know you can make a debian chroot and just run your stuff there and even build it on the device? | 02:42 |
| AOK | Cool vinsci2 as I said will have it in mind for other NOKIAs since I am a fan, but for this particular one | 02:42 |
| AOK | I believe that the solution is to be found in TERMINAL mode ;-) | 02:42 |
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| AOK | Still anyone else? | 02:42 |
| AOK | vinsci2: any other ideas? | 02:42 |
| t-tan | cehteh: CUPS could be ported. for now you can use the one from easydeb | 02:43 |
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| pupnik | maemo is not debian for a good reason. it's running on tiny handheld devices | 02:43 |
| cehteh | i dont really need it :) | 02:43 |
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| odin_ | javispedro, if a binutils/gcc toolchain exists for armel (as I'm sure it will be around somewhere) but the issue/problem here is over mass porting of lenny/sarge packages (which is best done on something with space/hosepower/etc... i.e. not the device) | 02:43 |
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| javispedro | pupnik++ (in fact I was writing that and you made me erase it =) ) | 02:44 |
| hellu | hellu | 02:44 |
| odin_ | javispedro, what is the chroot method ? (I understand what chroot is, just what do you mean by, "you can even....") | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | add a binary distrobution of some sort to SD | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | run from there | 02:44 |
| hellu | looking to write a camera app to enable the led flash while recording | 02:44 |
| pupnik | hehe | 02:44 |
| javispedro | odin_: debootstrap --foreing | 02:44 |
| hellu | where to start | 02:44 |
| javispedro | mind the typo. | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | chroot /media/card/ bin/bash | 02:45 |
| t-tan | odin_: I'm currently working on a native gcc4.4 toolchain - because I need gfortran | 02:45 |
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| pupnik | i agree with odin_ that it is frustrating to build things sometimes | 02:45 |
| pupnik | but i know in my case it is mostly due to pebcak | 02:45 |
| javispedro | and because debian doesn't test packages for clean cross-building | 02:46 |
| vinsci2 | t-tan, may I ask what you need gfortran for? (I'm using it for a project myself ATM, after having successfully avoided fortran for decades... ;-) | 02:46 |
| odin_ | t-tan, I have built binutils/gcc for other embeded targets before for use, how far have you got with a native toolchain ? and you are aware that you can't do much about ABI versions (if they changed/improved something) | 02:47 |
| t-tan | vinsci2: builddep for scipy, r-base and other scientific stuff | 02:47 |
| vinsci2 | ah, more power to you | 02:47 |
| zerojay | Looks like all the IM account packages just got updated to v0.8 | 02:47 |
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| javispedro | t-tan: native as in "native to the target", or a devkit? | 02:48 |
| t-tan | vinsci2: for now I use fort77, but it doesnt support F90/95 | 02:48 |
| javispedro | s/devkit/sbox toolchain | 02:48 |
| t-tan | javispedro: native to target | 02:48 |
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| javispedro | that should be doable | 02:48 |
| t-tan | javispedro: you could even install it on the device, but I need is a builddep | 02:49 |
| javispedro | ... if qemu cooperates, of course. | 02:49 |
| vinsci2 | t-tan, about to help these guys out a bit: http://www.voacap.com/ It's a radio wave propagation prediction tool, originally developed for Voice of America | 02:49 |
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| t-tan | javispedro: yes, that the the big question... | 02:49 |
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| javispedro | t-tan: I'd suggest building it for armv4 | 02:49 |
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| vinsci2 | t-tan, would be fun to run that natively on the phone, too | 02:50 |
| javispedro | t-tan: the default fremantle toolchain has -march=cortex-a8 and tbh I rather doubt qemu's ability to handle it gracefully, though who knows. | 02:50 |
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| javispedro | s/has/uses | 02:51 |
| t-tan | javispedro: we'll see. I'm first need to get the testsuites working and then we can see how far I can go | 02:51 |
| vinsci2 | I think qemu has had arm support for years | 02:52 |
| t-tan | vinsci2: yes, might be useful for JIT | 02:52 |
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| javispedro | vinsci2: yes it's had support for years, but bugs are not uncommon. | 02:52 |
| javispedro | see the cmake story. | 02:53 |
| javispedro | (or the reason the GUI doesn't boot in _ARMEL, AFAIU) | 02:53 |
| t-tan | vinsci2: so voacop needs F90+? | 02:53 |
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| hellu | goodbye | 02:54 |
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| t-tan | javispedro: there's a more uptodate version for sb2. maybe that could be replaced on autobuilder? | 02:54 |
| javispedro | t-tan: there's a thread on devel about updating autobuilder, though I'm sure you've read it :) | 02:54 |
| javispedro | (at least, about updating some of the devkits...) | 02:54 |
| t-tan | javispedro: yes, it should have added: "sometime in the future" :) | 02:55 |
| javispedro | :) | 02:55 |
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| javispedro | I personally want to ditch the sarge devkit and get support for 3.0-quilt source packages | 02:56 |
| vinsci2 | t-tan, well, the linux version is compiled using gfortran on Debian. All I know so far. | 02:56 |
| javispedro | "sometime in the future" I will try to enter that devkit hell.. | 02:56 |
| t-tan | vinsci2: IIRC there was the idea to integrate native (armel) autobuilder boxes | 02:57 |
| vinsci2 | t-tan, building a cross-compiler tool-chain from gcc isn't too complicated though. You don't have to make it a native compiler. | 02:57 |
| vinsci2 | t-tan, I used to do things like that back in the Amiga days | 02:57 |
| t-tan | vinsci2: if I want to upload packages to extras, there's no alternative... | 02:57 |
| odin_ | what is the reason that scratchbox exists again ? (sure this is the way Nokia do thinks... but remind/recap us on what problems is solves/addresses for packaging/shipping/autobuilders.... I'm happy with my understanding of how easy a developer can work with the platform to do stuff) | 02:58 |
| vinsci2 | t-tan, ah. I only received my N900 last week and never looked at maemo before, so I have a lot of catching up to do | 02:58 |
| vinsci2 | t-tan, I'm pretty experienced with Debian though and have built packages for them so it shouldn't be too hard | 02:59 |
| t-tan | vinsci2: if you want to port voacap, maybe try fort77 first. it already works for some fortran packages | 02:59 |
| pupnik | i have a long list of things for you vinsci2 :) | 02:59 |
| odin_ | I'm thinking that you take a base install of etch/lenny or sarge and install the cross-compilers and away you go ? | 02:59 |
| vinsci2 | pupnik, list of things to do? :) | 03:00 |
| pupnik | yaha | 03:00 |
| javispedro | odin_: making for the fact that most debian packages just don't build with a cross-compiler. | 03:00 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/software.html has some - kobo deluxe would be nice. exult also | 03:00 |
| vinsci2 | first on my own list is to get anki running. It appears to be missing dependencies in the .deb | 03:00 |
| pupnik | hehe ook | 03:00 |
| vinsci2 | pupnik, I'd add MAME to that list. | 03:01 |
| odin_ | all things using autoconf SHOULD do ? infact I have done so on the N900 SDK | 03:01 |
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| javispedro | odin_: not even all things using autoconf do, and then there's the rest of build systems. | 03:02 |
| t-tan | javispedro: you mean you want an uptodate quilt? or does it also require more recent dpkg? | 03:02 |
| javispedro | t-tan: it requires lenny's dpkg version. | 03:02 |
| vinsci2 | pupnik, Atari released the source code to several of the classic arcade games last year, things like Asteroids and Centipede among many others. | 03:02 |
| vinsci2 | pupnik, and they all run on MAME | 03:02 |
| pupnik | Whaaa! awesome | 03:02 |
| pupnik | someone else maintains sdlmame | 03:02 |
| javispedro | there's both sdlmame and xmame | 03:03 |
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| t-tan | javispedro: only as builddep, correct? | 03:03 |
| vinsci2 | mame for the N900? | 03:03 |
| javispedro | t-tan: afaik, yes. | 03:03 |
| vinsci2 | emulating the 6502 isn't hard... | 03:03 |
| t-tan | javispedro: should be possible as a backport with a different package name, the same for autoconf | 03:04 |
| javispedro | t-tan: no, it requires a few changes to autobuilder | 03:04 |
| t-tan | javispedro: for unpacking the source? | 03:04 |
| javispedro | since autobuilder will extract sources using older dpkg version, | 03:04 |
| pupnik | vinsci2: any pointers for me to where those can be found?\ | 03:04 |
| javispedro | yep | 03:04 |
| javispedro | and also for allowing one to upload it :) | 03:04 |
| vinsci2 | pupnik, hold on | 03:04 |
| t-tan | javispedro: what's the advantage of the new source package format? | 03:05 |
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| javispedro | t-tan: ditches .diff.gz and many potential errors that come from it (for example inadvertently modifying a file) | 03:05 |
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| javispedro | t-tan: every changed file from the tarball belongs to a "named" patch. | 03:05 |
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| javispedro | (or more than one, of course) | 03:05 |
| t-tan | javispedro: hopefully also removes the limitation text-only patches in diff.gz | 03:06 |
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| t-tan | javispedro: but that already works with std quilt? | 03:06 |
| javispedro | t-tan: it removes that limitation, since the debian folder comes in a .tar.gz now | 03:06 |
| t-tan | javispedro: e.g. if you want to include a binary icon in the diff | 03:07 |
| t-tan | javispedro: I see. would be really nice to have that on autobuilder | 03:07 |
| javispedro | you can see documentation for the format on dpkg-source(1) on any recent debian distro | 03:08 |
| javispedro | s/on/in | 03:08 |
| pupnik | i make a generic stub for autobuilder and put exe in /share :) | 03:08 |
| pupnik | jk jk | 03:08 |
| vinsci2 | pupnik, here: http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/consoles/7800/games/ | 03:09 |
| t-tan | javispedro: how difficult would it be to backport from a new tgz to a diff.gz format? | 03:09 |
| javispedro | t-tan: consider a debian.tar.gz containing binary files: I guess, hard. | 03:09 |
| javispedro | well, your autoconverter could uuencode them all :) | 03:10 |
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| t-tan | javispedro: so far that's pretty uncommon and could be worked around | 03:10 |
| javispedro | most of my packages have some kind of binary file there (icons..) | 03:11 |
| pupnik | this could be gold vinsci2 ... will look into legality | 03:11 |
| javispedro | but yes, can be worked around. | 03:11 |
| vinsci2 | pupnik, afaik they are released by Atari themselves | 03:12 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: I have "wla" packaged for debian, in case you're interested. (wla is a suite of assemblers/linkers for 6502 and derivates which I used to build some public domain snes roms) | 03:12 |
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| pupnik | cool | 03:13 |
| zerojay | Facebook Chat is now working in Maemo 5. :) | 03:13 |
| pupnik | been playing with my own robotron remake | 03:14 |
| vinsci2 | pupnik, hmm, or maybe not. This is were I read about it originally, the site has added a "PS 2" explaining that it was atarimuseum releasing the code http://www.programmerfish.com/source-code-of-several-7800-games-released/ | 03:14 |
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| pupnik | i'll have to see how faithful the 7800 remakes are | 03:15 |
| t-tan | I need some sleep. good night! | 03:16 |
| pupnik | night t-tan | 03:16 |
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| greenfly | zerojay: what app for facebook chat? | 03:18 |
| vinsci2 | pupnik, so here I got the link 1st... http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/03/1838250/Source-Code-of-Several-Atari-7800-Games-Released | 03:18 |
| zerojay | greenfly: Just add it as another IM account in the default internal IM client... Conversations. | 03:20 |
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| greenfly | awesome. thanks | 03:20 |
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| sp3000 | oh, nice, countdown timer has more or less the ui I was looking for in such a thing | 03:25 |
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| sp3000 | of course it's "Countdown Tim" in the launcher which is a bit suboptimal | 03:26 |
| zerojay | One less byte to write to memory... sounds optimal to me. ;) | 03:26 |
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| voltagex | Can I load the map data for ovi maps manually? Map Loader 3.0.28.0 refuses to recognise the N900 | 03:29 |
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| javispedro | launch ovi maps on the n900 first, download some online, then connect it via usb and drive mode | 03:32 |
| javispedro | err.. mass storage mode. | 03:33 |
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| javispedro | that version of map loader recognizes n900 as mass storage here. | 03:33 |
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| anpr | heya guys, how r u ? | 03:56 |
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| ml-mobile | :o kimitake is in here | 04:06 |
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| anpr | guys | 04:13 |
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| anpr | i have one bloody silly question | 04:13 |
| anpr | is anyone alive? | 04:13 |
| anpr | oh ;/ | 04:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 04:20 |
| anpr | no to which question ? | 04:20 |
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| ElMarioN900 | Somebody had tried to install Maemo 5 in a mobile with Windows CE? | 04:44 |
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| p0fk | hola a todos | 04:58 |
| p0fk | alguien habla español | 04:58 |
| p0fk | :S | 04:58 |
| pupnik | nada. anglais por favore | 05:01 |
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| ElMarioN900 | Yo, yo hablo español | 05:12 |
| spectre- | n900 keeps crash rebooting | 05:16 |
| jebba | yo tambien | 05:16 |
| spectre- | only thing i've done prior to this repeat issue is install firefox rc3? | 05:16 |
| spectre- | wish n900 kept a syslog | 05:16 |
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| spectre- | anyone else have this issue? | 05:17 |
| ml-mobile | spectre-: try catting out /proc/bootreason | 05:18 |
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| crashanddie | ElMarioN900: parla catala? | 05:18 |
| pupnik | spectre you have new pr1.1 ? | 05:19 |
| crashanddie | o castillano? | 05:19 |
| crashanddie | ElMarioN900: este canal es en Ingles solamente | 05:20 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I should've asked for monk | 05:20 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: rather than contributor | 05:20 |
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| crashanddie | Oh look at that, Youtube being funky: Current language: Australia | 05:25 |
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| spectre- | i've got the latest ota update | 05:33 |
| spectre- | if that's what you mean | 05:33 |
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| ElMarioN900 | sorry | 05:33 |
| spectre- | ./proc/bootreason says | 05:33 |
| spectre- | 32wd to | 05:34 |
| spectre- | wtf? | 05:34 |
| ml-mobile | hmm | 05:34 |
| ml-mobile | yeah | 05:34 |
| pupnik | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Firefox_XPS_IRC_Attack the pest advertises his annoying of freenode / firefox and freenode slow to respond | 05:34 |
| spectre- | is that a code or just garbage? | 05:34 |
| ml-mobile | try grabbing the full firmware image and reflash, and erase the eMMC | 05:34 |
| ml-mobile | it's a code | 05:34 |
| ElMarioN900 | what if i want to install maemo in other kind of phone? | 05:34 |
| spectre- | whats eMMC? | 05:35 |
| ml-mobile | the new update resolved most of those | 05:35 |
| ml-mobile | the 32GB of storage | 05:35 |
| spectre- | ah gotccha | 05:35 |
| spectre- | backup/restoring my home will be fine, though, right? | 05:35 |
| ml-mobile | but sometimes the OTA method doesn't immediately resolve it | 05:35 |
| ml-mobile | yes | 05:35 |
| spectre- | got a link to where i can grab the firmware? | 05:36 |
| spectre- | appreciate the help | 05:36 |
| * ml-mobile had lots of 32wd_to reboots before the update | 05:36 | |
| javispedro | e | 05:36 |
| spectre- | no more now? | 05:36 |
| ml-mobile | none | 05:36 |
| pupnik | i haven't seen any since update either | 05:36 |
| ml-mobile | but right now I am in my car in the parking lot at work and want to head out | 05:37 |
| spectre- | ok then, so where do i get the firmware? | 05:37 |
| spectre- | does nokia have a dev site? | 05:37 |
| pupnik | a few seconds of google should help that | 05:37 |
| spectre- | aight, i'll google it | 05:37 |
| ml-mobile | and while the N900's keyboard is awesome, I can't quite type fast enough to keep up | 05:37 |
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| ml-mobile | something like tabletdev.nokia.com | 05:38 |
| spectre- | well, thanks | 05:38 |
| spectre- | i'll give it a shot | 05:38 |
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| pupnik | i forgot exact url | 05:38 |
| ml-mobile | good luck | 05:38 |
| spectre- | thanks! | 05:38 |
| javispedro | elmarion900: basically, you can't. best alternative is Mer. | 05:39 |
| ElMarioN900 | Mer? | 05:40 |
| ElMarioN900 | oh | 05:40 |
| spectre- | someone should make a cooliris type app/browser plugin for thie n900 | 05:41 |
| javispedro | and btw, I didn't know Nokla was shipping Windows CE N900 clones now... | 05:41 |
| ElMarioN900 | yes | 05:41 |
| ElMarioN900 | I have one | 05:41 |
| ElMarioN900 | and I do not like Windows | 05:42 |
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| ElMarioN900 | BUT!, Nokia is not shipping Windows CE, chinese phones (clones) have that OS | 05:45 |
| javispedro | who are known around here as " nokla " (l instead of i ) | 05:46 |
| javispedro | though last time those were using their own homegrown os | 05:46 |
| microlith | javispedro: nothing quite like a mystery OS, not compatible with anything | 05:48 |
| ElMarioN900 | mmm, i have a phone and it says "Nokia" very clear ... and it is not Nokia | 05:48 |
| microlith | shanzai phones are not known for being subtle when jacking other companies trademarks | 05:49 |
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| javispedro | tbh it is rather amusing. i've seen ebay ads not unlike "100% original Nokia _logo_". | 05:52 |
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| javispedro | and finally the n900 xchat port is usable. rst did a great job. | 05:54 |
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| ScribbleJ | I think it's great. | 06:12 |
| ScribbleJ | I've been using it all week. | 06:12 |
| ScribbleJ | Best IRC client on a phone evar. | 06:13 |
| microlith | it is | 06:13 |
| ScribbleJ | I do wish there were a setting to make it defualt to scrilling when I drag in the window, though. | 06:13 |
| ScribbleJ | scrolling | 06:13 |
| ScribbleJ | Instead of selecting as it does. | 06:13 |
| ScribbleJ | scrolling is used way more often. | 06:13 |
| microlith | or both, as it were | 06:13 |
| pupnik | must try it then. hard to fight the power of irssi tho | 06:13 |
| * microlith finds himself selectscrolling occasionally | 06:14 | |
| pupnik | fn+uparrow pages up here | 06:14 |
| ScribbleJ | If you addicted to irssi because you use it with screen | 06:14 |
| ScribbleJ | Then you are doin' it wrong, get a bouncer like znc or dircproxy. | 06:14 |
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| pupnik | why | 06:15 |
| ScribbleJ | Works with anything, freedom to choose, not bound to the command line, can change clients on the fly and miss nothing, or and it's a tool purpose-built for the job. | 06:16 |
| ScribbleJ | That's jus toff the top of my head, I'm sure there are other good reasons. | 06:16 |
| pupnik | ok thanks | 06:16 |
| ScribbleJ | I used to use dircproxy but just recently switched to znc, which has a lot more features and nicer authentication. | 06:17 |
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| pupnik | i will one up that and claim vnc is better cause you get gfx and any prog | 06:17 |
| ScribbleJ | Uhm | 06:18 |
| ScribbleJ | Well, that's a whole different thing. | 06:18 |
| pupnik | yeah | 06:18 |
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| pupnik | one would hope this firefox irc idiocy could be solved soon | 06:22 |
| pupnik | or i will make it a point to take out a loltard myself | 06:23 |
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| crashanddie | fuck me | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: it's Firefox; what do you expect? | 06:39 |
| crashanddie | just had to pay off 6000 quid worth of credit card... | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: no | 06:39 |
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| derf | So how the gekk is one supposed to actually install PR1.1? | 06:41 |
| derf | Because it sure doesn't work in appman, nor does apt-get dist-upgrade work. | 06:41 |
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| crashanddie | derf: the reasons why PR1.1 would fail over the air are pretty unknown, but I'm guessing specific software dependencies make it impossible | 06:44 |
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| crashanddie | derf: reflash and you're good to go | 06:45 |
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| derf | crashanddie: Fuck no. | 06:47 |
| derf | If you'll excuse my French. | 06:47 |
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| derf | The errors I get from apt are: http://pastebin.com/mb9eefa8 | 06:50 |
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| crashanddie | derf: non, je ne te pardonne pas | 06:57 |
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| pupnik_ | dist upgrading to help fix package problems? | 07:12 |
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| pupnik_ | that would be more useful in a few hours when europe is at work | 07:14 |
| derf | Europe works on Saturdays? | 07:14 |
| `0660 | :) | 07:15 |
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| Proteous | with 2 months of vaction time | 07:27 |
| Proteous | maybe that was only france... | 07:27 |
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| Klowner | anyone know if there's a way to snap widget positions? | 08:04 |
| Klowner | PR1.1 changelog mentions it | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Klowner: tweakr app. "grid snap" or somesuch | 08:05 |
| Klowner | ah thank you | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | never tested it | 08:05 |
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| RST38h | OMG what are we all gonna do??? "Confirmed: iPhone OS 3.2 has support for video calling, file downloads, and SMS" | 08:51 |
| ml-mobile | OMG I dunno, not care? | 08:53 |
| ml-mobile | heh | 08:53 |
| RST38h | It may even do pseudo-multitasking! Can you believe it? | 08:55 |
| jX | sms? uhh, iphones already do that | 08:55 |
| jX | and mms too | 08:55 |
| jX | but video calling, they have no front facing camera | 08:56 |
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| pupnik_ | new xchat has lots of fans RST38h | 09:04 |
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| cehteh | one point where iphone is ahead of n900: it is not out of stock | 09:14 |
| RST38h | Hehe, Obama cancels Moon/Mars NASA programs | 09:14 |
| RST38h | cehteh: you forgot "shiny". | 09:15 |
| cehteh | well the chrome fringe around the flash on the n900 is also shiny | 09:15 |
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| LuciusMare | rite | 09:16 |
| * cehteh just placed another order .. lets see if its deliverable | 09:16 | |
| cehteh | basically everywhere sold out in germany except for the expensive shops | 09:16 |
| cehteh | even the ones which had one | 09:16 |
| LuciusMare | "ps aux|grep browser|awk '{ print $1 }'|xargs kill" is not a correct way how to end all browser instances | 09:16 |
| cehteh | not to mention the many shops which never seen them yet | 09:17 |
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| crashanddie | http://hemoblaster.com/ipad.jpg | 09:18 |
| cehteh | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/01/30/0022239/Video-Review-of-Hivisions-100-ARM-Based-Android-Laptop how about maemo/mer on that | 09:19 |
| cehteh | well no touchscreen | 09:19 |
| cehteh | hey we want a mouse optimized maemo! ;P | 09:20 |
| RST38h | it sucks. | 09:20 |
| RST38h | the "laptop" I mean | 09:20 |
| cehteh | sure | 09:20 |
| cehteh | but for $100 .. | 09:21 |
| crashanddie | I don't get the whole cheap computer stuff | 09:22 |
| crashanddie | I'd rather pay 10 times that price and have a valid laptop that can churn through numbers with decent speed | 09:22 |
| cehteh | yes i did that too .. | 09:23 |
| crashanddie | but then again, I'm ranting a lot lately, so I'll just shut the fuck up | 09:23 |
| RST38h | cehteh: It will be $100 lost | 09:23 |
| cehteh | but having some ultra-cheap netbook which wont hurt you when it gets stolen or destroyed for unfriendly terrain can be an option | 09:23 |
| RST38h | it is no netbook, just an ultra cheap n800 knockoff that looks like a laptop | 09:24 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: it's not the hardware that bothers me, but the data it contains | 09:24 |
| cehteh | yeah it needs connectivity .. | 09:24 |
| cehteh | you dont want to have valuable data on a volatile device | 09:25 |
| Myrtti | five minutes... | 09:25 |
| ScribbleJ | How do you mean "Volatile?" | 09:25 |
| ScribbleJ | I carry valuable data on my laptop all day long and use an encrypted fs to help minimize the risks. | 09:25 |
| cehteh | heh | 09:26 |
| cehteh | me too | 09:26 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: ...and...? | 09:26 |
| Myrtti | exciting! | 09:26 |
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| crashanddie | "five minutes... and ... exciting!" Myrtti, stop smoking crack | 09:27 |
| cehteh | and i carry my more expensive laptop almost always with me | 09:27 |
| ScribbleJ | Well, three minutes left. | 09:27 |
| ScribbleJ | Hope ya'll are ready for /exciting/. | 09:27 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 09:27 |
| crashanddie | ready for what? | 09:27 |
| ScribbleJ | Exciting! | 09:27 |
| cehteh | but i dont want to go backpacking though africa with it | 09:27 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: go the hardware encryption route | 09:27 |
| ScribbleJ | crashanddie, ? | 09:28 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: specific hard drives support hardware encryption | 09:28 |
| crashanddie | you don't get the performance hit of software encryption | 09:28 |
| cehteh | crashanddie: yeah ... do you trust that? many are defeated :P | 09:28 |
| ScribbleJ | Oh, I'm sure that's awesome, but my laptop is an old 32-bit single-core 512mb RAM POS and it does just fine with software encryption. | 09:28 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: no they not, shut the fuck up you noob | 09:28 |
| cehteh | and software encryption isnt really a big problem | 09:28 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: usually there's a 30% performance hit on most laptops | 09:29 |
| ScribbleJ | Where'd you get that number? | 09:29 |
| crashanddie | work | 09:29 |
| cehteh | 30% for sustained I/O | 09:29 |
| crashanddie | I'm a security expert, consultant for banks and governments | 09:29 |
| cehteh | but a laptop doesnt do i/o continously | 09:29 |
| ScribbleJ | What, like a PCI-DSS auditor? | 09:30 |
| ScribbleJ | Anecdotally, software encryption causes me no problems. | 09:30 |
| cehteh | i agree | 09:30 |
| crashanddie | no, professional services consultant, I help organisations implement security solutions, mainly based around smartcards and the like | 09:30 |
| cehteh | its barely noticeable | 09:30 |
| cehteh | given that this laptop has a ultra slow 1.8" hdd anyways :P | 09:30 |
| crashanddie | heh | 09:30 |
| ScribbleJ | Ah... well, I'm on the PCI-DSS council, and also do security in the banking industry. | 09:31 |
| cehteh | well looking forward for a fast ssd someday .. | 09:31 |
| crashanddie | I've seen an intel prototype SSD drive with hardware encryption... can't remember the numbers but pretty damn fast | 09:31 |
| ScribbleJ | Have any of you tried the ZAGG screen protector kit on your N900? | 09:31 |
| cehteh | crashanddie: i believe the 30% for a server .. but for a laptop where the disk is mostly idle anyways its really not the case | 09:32 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: my company sells authentication servers and credential management solutions | 09:32 |
| ScribbleJ | crashanddie, that kind of hardware is really fun stuff but it's way overkill for the kind of work I do. | 09:32 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: the disk is mostly idle during startup? | 09:32 |
| cehteh | i dont startup that often | 09:32 |
| ScribbleJ | crashanddie, haaa... I wonder if you're one of the companies that keeps sending me demo equipment. | 09:32 |
| cehteh | i speak about performance while working not corner cases | 09:33 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: doubt it | 09:33 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: again, depends on the use-cases | 09:33 |
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| ScribbleJ | I've been menaing to try encrypted fs on the N900. | 09:33 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: I'm recommending it if you have a use for it, I could definitely see a difference | 09:33 |
| ScribbleJ | It'll be interesting to see what the performance hit looks like there. | 09:33 |
| ScribbleJ | IT's probably not practical. | 09:34 |
| cehteh | having a distcc here in the back make -j10 and distribute over 10Ghz in the back .. thats the case where my hdd really struggles to deliver data | 09:34 |
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| ScribbleJ | On my notebook, though? Whatever performance it robs me of I don't miss. | 09:34 |
| cehteh | ScribbleJ: yes slow cpu and not much ram for cache will hit you there | 09:34 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: I'm currently working on providing a hardware module to the N900 which would allow to offload the processing from the CPU with regards to encryption/decryption | 09:34 |
| ScribbleJ | Sounds like hardware encryption is your thing. | 09:35 |
| crashanddie | also, secure credential storage in a hardware module | 09:35 |
| crashanddie | well, hardware will always be more secure than software | 09:35 |
| crashanddie | and faster | 09:35 |
| crashanddie | it has obvious benefits | 09:35 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm not sure how you would support that assertion. | 09:36 |
| crashanddie | FIPS | 09:36 |
| ScribbleJ | I mean, that it will always be more secure. | 09:36 |
| crashanddie | oh | 09:36 |
| crashanddie | generally speaking I geuss | 09:36 |
| ScribbleJ | You guys think there is any chance that the N900 will /ever/ be able to act as a USB host? | 09:37 |
| ScribbleJ | I really think Magtek's prices on Bluetooth swipers are insane. | 09:37 |
| crashanddie | the simple fact that dedicated hardware isolates keys, processing and bugs... Having the same memory used for storing pretty pictures in your browser, and store your private encryption key and have everyone access the whole of the memory is a scary thought | 09:38 |
| crashanddie | it also means than any compromised terminal would be able to rob everything you have... | 09:38 |
| ScribbleJ | Well, hang on there. | 09:38 |
| crashanddie | Whereas in a hardware module (smartcard, usb dongle), the hardware does the computation, and the key never leaves the hardware | 09:38 |
| ScribbleJ | If the terminal is comprmised but does not have root then there is little to worry about in a good setup - and if the terminal is compromised and the attacker does have root, he'll be able to access your mounted hardware encrypted drive just as easily as a software one. | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: why not "killall browserd" ? much shorter to type | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: not talking about encrypted hard drive here | 09:39 |
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| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: smart card for example, will never export the data it contains | 09:40 |
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| ScribbleJ | He'll be able to read the unencrypted bits from memory then, on their way to the card. | 09:40 |
| ScribbleJ | It doesn't matter if you're doing hardware of software; if you let someone compromise your system all bets are off. | 09:40 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: if you have the PIN, you can ask it to do some computation for you, but you can't get the keys... Which means that the person who does the attack has a very limited time frame... Only when the user has his smartcard in said device (compromised) can the attack go through | 09:40 |
| ScribbleJ | s/of/or/ | 09:40 |
| infobot | ScribbleJ meant: It doesn't matter if you're doing hardware or software; if you let someone compromise your system all bets are off. | 09:40 |
| ScribbleJ | Oh, that's clever. | 09:41 |
| ScribbleJ | I will have to be careful with my regexes. | 09:41 |
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| ScribbleJ | crashanddie, so it's equivalent to doing software encryption on a removable disk, then. | 09:42 |
| ScribbleJ | From a security perspective, I mean. | 09:42 |
| crashanddie | not at all | 09:42 |
| ScribbleJ | How so? The attack vectors are identical. | 09:43 |
| crashanddie | hard drive encryption is only one of the things, obviously | 09:43 |
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| crashanddie | ok, going to try to give you a pretty good use case | 09:44 |
| * cehteh does double keying .. with a key on a usb-flash and regenerating that on every login | 09:44 | |
| cehteh | invalidates copies one may do from the flash stick | 09:45 |
| crashanddie | hard drive is encrypted with key K, this is generated randomly at some point, let's admit it's a good long and strong key, symmetric obviously, not easily crackable | 09:45 |
| crashanddie | this key is encrypted with an asymmetric key, key AK, say a 2048 or 4096 RSA key, generated on a smartcard. This key can be escrowed but let's not waste time on that | 09:46 |
| ScribbleJ | So to attack it, I'm going to need to either - 1) gain root while drive is mounted; 2) gain root while card is inserted, sniff pin and make my own request to card. | 09:47 |
| crashanddie | My certificate for key AK is signed by a CA, which is owned by my company etc. The software that decrypts the harddrive is loaded before the OS loads, just after the BIOS | 09:47 |
| ScribbleJ | OK, so 1) is a great scenario, since I can count on the drive to always be decrypted, right from boot. | 09:48 |
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| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: not necessarily, but for the sake of simplicity, let's go for that | 09:48 |
| ScribbleJ | But 1 and 2 are the same as for software, except 2 becomes sniff passphrase for key AK. | 09:48 |
| pwnguin | quick poll: is the camera software stack fast enough to take a picture of lightning? | 09:48 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: no | 09:49 |
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| ScribbleJ | Yes and No; the camera source code seems to take a photo by pulling a frame from video, essentially. | 09:49 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: I don't think you'll find any camera phone that does it | 09:49 |
| ScribbleJ | No reason you couldn't use that technique to photo lightning. | 09:49 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: not even P&S cameras will be able to do that | 09:49 |
| pwnguin | crashanddie: you seem fairly confident | 09:50 |
| crashanddie | yes, comes with the ego | 09:50 |
| pwnguin | how long does it take to 'take' a picture? | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ages | 09:50 |
| crashanddie | a second? 1.4s? | 09:50 |
| pwnguin | in microseconds | 09:50 |
| ScribbleJ | I've got a buddy with some great lightning photos he took on his iPhone. | 09:50 |
| crashanddie | 1400000? | 09:50 |
| pwnguin | crashanddie: are you including jpegenc in that? | 09:51 |
| crashanddie | if you hadn't guessed, I'm just giving random numbers | 09:51 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: pre-emptive shooting probably | 09:51 |
| ScribbleJ | Yeah, he might have got lucky. | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | only way | 09:52 |
| pwnguin | crashanddie: i figured if i pressed you for enough figures and facts you'd wind up citing nothing :P | 09:52 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: still telling you, there's no P&S or lower (and yes, camera phones are lower) that can do proper lightning pictures through causality shots | 09:53 |
| crashanddie | only pre-emptive shots are possible | 09:53 |
| pwnguin | im not sure why | 09:53 |
| pwnguin | lightning lasts for 400ms | 09:54 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: how fast are human reactions? | 09:54 |
| pwnguin | fuck that | 09:54 |
| pwnguin | im building a trigger | 09:54 |
| RST38h | t.m.o users appear to be using N900 in India, without screen protector, and already lost their stylus this morning | 09:54 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: so you're holding a camera, as soon as you see the flash you click... | 09:54 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: oh, in that case, I don't know | 09:54 |
| ifreq | anyone interested to try motion detector spycam on n900? | 09:55 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: you'd have to take care of focusing and exposure before though | 09:55 |
| pwnguin | yes | 09:55 |
| ifreq | tho i got only binaries and conf atm | 09:55 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: if you can get those completely out of the picture maybe... | 09:55 |
| ifreq | it seems to work nicely :P | 09:55 |
| ScribbleJ | ifreq, streaming, or just storing? | 09:55 |
| ifreq | storing, but i guess it has the inc webserver.. havent tested that yet | 09:55 |
| ScribbleJ | it it just a port of motion? | 09:55 |
| ifreq | just tested for motion detectiong/pic saving | 09:55 |
| ifreq | ScribbleJ: yeah | 09:55 |
| ifreq | compiled it yesterday and did the confs | 09:56 |
| ScribbleJ | I'll pass then, nice job though. | 09:56 |
| ifreq | y :) | 09:56 |
| ScribbleJ | I'd recommend just calling it motion. | 09:56 |
| pwnguin | my question is mainly, if i construct a gstreamer pipeline and send it a play signal at on detection, if the underlying software is low latency enough | 09:56 |
| ScribbleJ | Don't get fancy. :P | 09:56 |
| ifreq | need to figure out next howto make proper debs and shit | 09:56 |
| ifreq | ScribbleJ: naah nvm :) not my style. | 09:56 |
| ifreq | ScribbleJ: ill save the shots under DCIM so i can import them automatically ie. atleast on iphoto :) | 09:57 |
| ifreq | remote webstream would be nice too. bbl. | 09:57 |
| ScribbleJ | Sounds like fun... I've been trying to port some kind of streaming software I can use onto the N900. | 09:57 |
| ifreq | well motion has inc webserver | 09:57 |
| ifreq | but you want stream to next hop i guess? | 09:58 |
| ScribbleJ | streaming straight from gstreamer is an incredible hassle and it's only got some support for rtp. | 09:58 |
| ifreq | ScribbleJ: what about vlc? | 09:58 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: might want to do automated shootnig mode -- just bursting the whole time | 09:58 |
| ScribbleJ | vlc is a good choice but it taxes the N900 a bit. | 09:58 |
| pwnguin | crashanddie: so basically video at 1fps or whatever the highest resolution operates at | 09:58 |
| ScribbleJ | I tried porting over mjpeg_streamer but right now am having a mmap() problem. It can't mmap() to /dev/video* | 09:59 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: pretty much | 09:59 |
| ifreq | ScribbleJ: would be nice to get frontcam enabled on motion too.. i could run it as a deamon and if it gets stolen it takes pics from the guy continuoysly and emails them :P | 09:59 |
| pwnguin | crashanddie: i'd probably want to turn off jpegenc | 09:59 |
| ifreq | not useful really. but funny thought | 09:59 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: my camera supports burst mode around 4FPS | 09:59 |
| ScribbleJ | Not much to do to enable frontacam; rear is /dev/video0 and front is /dev/video1 | 09:59 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: and that's with raw and jpg encoding | 09:59 |
| ScribbleJ | Frontcam quality is pretty awful though. | 09:59 |
| ifreq | ScribbleJ: yeah but it doesnt work well with motion atleast.. or i need to open it first | 10:00 |
| crashanddie | so roughly 20M dumped to SD card per picture | 10:00 |
| ifreq | i think you need to initiate it 1st before you can use it? | 10:00 |
| pwnguin | crashanddie: there's also a cooldown period thats's basically a lightning strike wide that i can see | 10:00 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: obviously, you could speed up the process by basically taking picture and just keeping it in RAM | 10:00 |
| pwnguin | DocScrutinizer: happen to have a datasheet on the camera? | 10:00 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin: and do a burst of X pictures based on that... Once ram is full dump to disc | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | not of that specific one | 10:01 |
| pwnguin | DocScrutinizer: so you know which specific one it is? | 10:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not even that | 10:01 |
| pwnguin | i really need to start a quality teardown website | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I know how long a lightning flash takes | 10:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and that's much shorter than even the time you need to move the trigger button from released to engaged posuition | 10:03 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: read up | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | mechanically | 10:03 |
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| crashanddie | we're past that already :) | 10:03 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: I was more thinking along the lines of a burst of pictures around a specific time | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | your only chance is you catch a lightning by incident during exposure time | 10:04 |
| pwnguin | ive seen people use IR triggers with serious cameras | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 10:04 |
| crashanddie | yes, it works | 10:05 |
| pwnguin | http://www.glacialwanderer.com/hobbyrobotics/?p=16 | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | it works as usually you get lightning bursts | 10:05 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: the thing is need you need a massive aperture, usually f1.4 or even lower, and 1/6000th shutter speed | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | a cam capapble of 1/6000 might actually be fast enough to trigger on the lightning, using a IR sensor | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's a electronic cam, no mechanical parts to move | 10:08 |
| crashanddie | lmao | 10:09 |
| ifreq | hmm.. motions webserver comes up but cant connect to it on LAN. | 10:10 |
| * RST38h wonders why put an Arduino controller into something that is clearly analogue | 10:11 | |
| ScribbleJ | He said he's a hardware moron. | 10:11 |
| pwnguin | RST38h: i think he wanted something that can adapt quickly to lighting conditions | 10:11 |
| ScribbleJ | Why use an arduino where $5 of parts from Radio Shack would do? | 10:12 |
| RST38h | pwnguin: he gives a program there, and it does not adapt to anything | 10:12 |
| pwnguin | so you change the threshhold without redoing the circuit | 10:12 |
| ScribbleJ | pwnguin, all you need is a potentiometer | 10:12 |
| pwnguin | RST38h: you could concievably do something like a pot and an opamp | 10:12 |
| RST38h | US astronomer Frank Drake has told scientists at a special SETI meeting in London that earthlings are making it less likely that we will be heard in space. In the past, we used huge ground stations to broadcast radio and television signals which could be picked up relatively easily according to astronomers' calculations anyway. Now we use satellites that transmit at 75 watts and point toward Earth instead of into space. | 10:13 |
| ScribbleJ | Anyhow, he gets points for getting it done, in my book. | 10:13 |
| ScribbleJ | You use the tools you have. | 10:13 |
| RST38h | Must be a good thing though. | 10:13 |
| pwnguin | but it doesnt matter because afaik n900 doesn't have an IR trigger | 10:14 |
| crashanddie | lol, of course not | 10:14 |
| RST38h | Given this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaFZTAOb7IE | 10:14 |
| pwnguin | which is my other worry at this stage | 10:14 |
| ScribbleJ | pwnguin, how do you plan to interface the trigger to the n900? | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | pwnguin: lol. it actually has | 10:15 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: yeah, looking at how humanity has always gone to war as soon as they discovered a new continent or people, I was actually wondering why people were looking forward to be picked up in space | 10:15 |
| pwnguin | DocScrutinizer: i thought it was just an IR led? | 10:15 |
| ScribbleJ | pwnguin, no, it does in and out. | 10:15 |
| pwnguin | oh thats handy | 10:16 |
| pupnik_ | the Ur-Quan will be in this sector soon, anyway | 10:16 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm not clear on whether it would be useful for this though; can it read analog levels? | 10:16 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: And very few are even considering a case where we get discovered by something so totally unhuman, that we look like vermin to it | 10:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ambient light sensor has IR-only and a separate allband sensor | 10:16 |
| RST38h | (or food. or funny sex toys.) | 10:16 |
| pupnik_ | Douglas Adams thought of it | 10:16 |
| ScribbleJ | Oh, I did no tknow that, that's even cooler. | 10:16 |
| pupnik_ | well more like eminent domain | 10:16 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Also, Peter Watts ("Blindsight") | 10:16 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: slavery taught me you don't need to look unlike someone to be despised... | 10:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | pwnguin: alas it's way too slow for your purpose | 10:17 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Actually, slaery is a different thing | 10:17 |
| pupnik_ | maybe we shouldn't be broadcasting into space | 10:17 |
| ScribbleJ | RST, have you read "MAde of MEat? | 10:17 |
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| pwnguin | the other options are USB, bluetooth and the headphone jack. and i guess the mic | 10:17 |
| ScribbleJ | http://baetzler.de/humor/meat_beings.html Will take you five minutes to read, very funny. | 10:17 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Slavery started because it was economically desireable, and all the dehumanising stuff came later to make slaveholders feel better | 10:17 |
| pupnik_ | hey at least we communicate with electrons and not flappy food orifices | 10:17 |
| RST38h | Scribble: Of course I read the original short story =) | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | headphone jack might be feasible | 10:18 |
| ScribbleJ | pwnguin, how do you list USB as an option? | 10:18 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: In fact, first slaves were white, and initially there was not much tension between them and the black slaves | 10:18 |
| pwnguin | ScribbleJ: ive got an arduino mega that does usb B =( | 10:18 |
| RST38h | (unless of course our American History class instructior lied :)) | 10:19 |
| pupnik_ | RST38h: i recall very early versions of MAME had much faster vector game rendering. do you know if any other major slowdowns have occurred for MAME globally in the past 12 years? | 10:19 |
| ScribbleJ | Interesting! | 10:19 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Well, I do not know much about MAME but it definitely became slower over past 12 years as emulation precision improved | 10:20 |
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| pupnik_ | let's just say this N900 version is a rather academic exercise | 10:20 |
| ScribbleJ | Shoudln't an N900 be perfectly capable of running most mame games, int heory? | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | so use holdbutton on headset | 10:21 |
| RST38h | try mame4all, should be better | 10:21 |
| ScribbleJ | I dont' see why it should be academic. | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | most simple approach, and has potential for low latency | 10:21 |
| pupnik_ | because many console games are too powerful to emulate | 10:22 |
| pwnguin | emulation overhead can be brutal | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 10:22 |
| pwnguin | esp on older stuff thats got analog parts | 10:22 |
| ScribbleJ | But we're talking about mame; it's got a catalog of excellent games that aren't even as taxing as the gameboy. | 10:22 |
| RST38h | pwnguin: you almost never get to deal with hw that old, even in emulation | 10:22 |
| pwnguin | RST38h: true; im mostly thinking of atari | 10:23 |
| ifreq | where i can request for new software? | 10:23 |
| pupnik_ | yeah analog console games. those were the days ... cough | 10:23 |
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| ifreq | i can compile the sw myself.. but cant debug whats wrong so i need some expert to check it | 10:23 |
| RST38h | Fairchild stuff has been ages ago. And it ended up as a digital chip anyway. | 10:24 |
| pupnik_ | it was called "pinball" | 10:24 |
| pupnik_ | :P | 10:24 |
| ifreq | http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/ <-- compiles ok for armel but when running it eats a piece from x-terminal and does nothing :P | 10:24 |
| jkimball4 | You lot seen the new firefox for maemo? | 10:24 |
| ifreq | im sure many ppl agree its important piece of sw! | 10:24 |
| ifreq | :) | 10:24 |
| jkimball4 | firefox.com/m | 10:25 |
| ScribbleJ | Hahahah, that's funny, ifreq | 10:25 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: whether or not your history teacher was wrong or not | 10:25 |
| ifreq | ScribbleJ: yeh, wish i got it running tho.. it works on X86 scratchbox OK | 10:25 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: the important bit isn't so much what happened exactly (let's allow history to write itself, right?) | 10:25 |
| ifreq | but on armel it does something i really cant figure out | 10:25 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: but rather that a people is able to animalise another people just in the name of greed | 10:25 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: and also, slavery wasn't only something that happened in america... | 10:26 |
| pwnguin | the jews were slaves way back in the pharoh's day | 10:26 |
| pupnik_ | i was a slave for about 45 percent of my workday | 10:26 |
| pwnguin | if you take the bible's word for it | 10:26 |
| Proteous | I'm a slave to coffee | 10:26 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Yea, but this is not what I meant | 10:27 |
| Proteous | such a tasty, tasty master | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | my slave went to the shops to get me food | 10:27 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: In all these cases you are talking about, people come up with all kinds of theories "proving" that the people they opress are kinda inferior so it is ok | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | (no seriously, I was like "Hey, can you go grab me some food?", and she just went "OK", and left) | 10:27 |
| Proteous | :P | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | ok, time for a fag | 10:28 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Imagine something that comes from space and does not even VIEW you as sentient life, or "life" at all in its own definition | 10:28 |
| crashanddie | later | 10:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: even without sudo? | 10:28 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: You are a germ, and the guy with Lizol comes and sainitizes the toilet bowl | 10:28 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: such as the Star Trek TOS episode where they find the silicon-based life form? | 10:28 |
| crashanddie | rather than carbon? | 10:29 |
| Proteous | ugly bags of mostly water | 10:29 |
| Proteous | that's us | 10:29 |
| * RST38h isn't aquainted with every single ST episode, fortunately =) | 10:29 | |
| RST38h | acquainted | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | or the Doctor Who episode where they realise the sun is a life form? | 10:29 |
| RST38h | this one neither | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | djeezus | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | hand in your geek credentials | 10:29 |
| Proteous | lol | 10:29 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: But that little "They are meat!" story is a good candidate | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | ok, will have a look | 10:30 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Or the Blindsight novel by Watts | 10:30 |
| pwnguin | crashanddie: well, communists had little reason to develop sci fi allegories for communist infiltration | 10:30 |
| crashanddie | peter? | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | prepare for dooooom :-D | 10:30 |
| RST38h | Or maybe The Roadside Picnic by Strugatsky brothers | 10:30 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: I am not a geek. Nerd is the most you can squeeze out of me. | 10:31 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: you're on IRC, not only that but on FreeNode, not only that but in #maemo, and you're arguing a point about aliens invading earth | 10:31 |
| crashanddie | you're about as much of a geek as they get mate | 10:31 |
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| Proteous | lol | 10:32 |
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| RST38h | TEST | 10:42 |
| RST38h | http://maemos.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/home_screen_201001271.jpg | 10:42 |
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| RST38h | Hehe | 10:42 |
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| pwnguin | an ipad running maemo | 10:43 |
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| crashanddie | pwnguin: how quaint of you, so that's what the picture was displaying | 10:44 |
| crashanddie | thanks for illuminating us, Captain Obvious | 10:44 |
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| pwnguin | its late | 10:45 |
| pwnguin | im going to bed | 10:45 |
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| doc|home | some things will never change ^ | 11:01 |
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| Proteous | infobot being on the server that gets lost in the netsplit? | 11:06 |
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| crashanddie | ~ping | 11:06 |
| infobot | ~pong | 11:06 |
| crashanddie | nope | 11:06 |
| Proteous | 01:00 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Gilly, HouseAway, kurtan, Shapeshifter, infobot, tybollt | 11:06 |
| Proteous | 01:02 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kurtan, Shapeshifter, infobot, Gilly, HouseAway, tybollt | 11:06 |
| Proteous | anyway, wasn't asking | 11:07 |
| Proteous | I was questioning doc|home's comment | 11:07 |
| crashanddie | oh my bad, didn't see it | 11:07 |
| Proteous | :) | 11:07 |
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| pupnik | well that wasn't so painful, now was it | 11:08 |
| Proteous | my eyes are still red from all the crying when you all left me | 11:08 |
| doc|home | Proteous: no, just the netsplit itself | 11:08 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: I can make it painful for you | 11:08 |
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| crashanddie | bloody hell | 11:11 |
| crashanddie | fucking line umpires can't just change a match like that! | 11:12 |
| Proteous | this is #maemo | 11:12 |
| Proteous | you know, a channel about the maemo OS? | 11:12 |
| Proteous | not facebook | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | #bacon | 11:12 |
| Proteous | must join #bacon | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | I don't think I interrupted any important discussion? | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | Proteous: and if you're unhappy, that's all the same | 11:13 |
| Proteous | all the same as what? | 11:13 |
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| pwnguin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2967497897/ | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | as in: I don't care? | 11:14 |
| Proteous | same as in interrupted discussion? | 11:14 |
| pwnguin | can anyone identify that keyboard? | 11:14 |
| Proteous | I don't get it | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | Proteous: I don't care about your opinion | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | clear enough for you | 11:14 |
| Proteous | really? | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | ? | 11:14 |
| Proteous | I'm suprised | 11:14 |
| Proteous | but just a little | 11:14 |
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| Proteous | if that is possible | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | for crying out loud, I'm just commenting on a tennis match, do you really need to troll on everything? | 11:15 |
| Proteous | wow, for soemone who doesn't care about my opinion you sure do talk to me a lot | 11:15 |
| RST38h | Fight! Fight! | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | In the Arena of Death! | 11:16 |
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| jkimball4 | is there a command to reload icons? | 11:29 |
| jkimball4 | i got a couple blue squares here.. | 11:29 |
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| Proteous | a reboot usualy helps | 11:29 |
| jkimball4 | if i were on windows then yeah | 11:29 |
| Proteous | :P | 11:29 |
| Proteous | even helps on a n900 | 11:29 |
| Proteous | did you try it an it didn't solve the problem? | 11:29 |
| jkimball4 | usually in *nix land we don't need to reboot | 11:30 |
| jkimball4 | i'm not going to reboot for an icon hehe | 11:30 |
| Proteous | to easy for ya huh | 11:30 |
| jkimball4 | i just remembered hearing about a proggie to do it | 11:30 |
| jkimball4 | ah..looks like someone said there's no more icon chace | 11:33 |
| jkimball4 | cache | 11:33 |
| Proteous | you could try removing the shortcut then readding it I guess | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | for other people interested in what a distmaster -actually- does, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=502204#post502204 | 11:42 |
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| acidjazz | . | 12:09 |
| acidjazz | sweet | 12:09 |
| acidjazz | that was odd i didnt get the notification to register | 12:09 |
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| crashanddie | anyone watching the game (henin vs williams)? | 12:11 |
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| wazd | Heya all | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | how are you doing? | 12:19 |
| wazd | Freezing, waiting for the bus) | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:19 |
| acidjazz | man this hoarding show is totally freaky | 12:19 |
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| flux | hmph, is there a way to open links in tabs with the firefox mobile, without keyboard? | 12:21 |
| acidjazz | well | 12:21 |
| acidjazz | in ff ctrl+click does a passive tab open to a link | 12:21 |
| acidjazz | shift+click is a new window | 12:21 |
| acidjazz | try those or im ugessing no | 12:21 |
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| flux | however, ctrl and shift are both on the keyboard :) | 12:22 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: i think i'm gonna release marina 1.0 today | 12:24 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: screw that black inputs | 12:24 |
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| w00t | wazd: having problems with them still? | 12:26 |
| w00t | (updated, btw, the active window brown text is .. much more readable! :P) | 12:26 |
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| wazd | W00t: yeah, its simply impossible to make em black | 12:27 |
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| wazd | Without ruining everything else | 12:27 |
| w00t | :( | 12:27 |
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| aquatix | moin | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | moin | 12:33 |
| crashanddie | evening | 12:35 |
| chaoyi | hello, any one could help me about my n900 keyboard? | 12:35 |
| crashanddie | it works a lot better when you actually ask a question... | 12:35 |
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| chaoyi | when i press shift + blue arrow + J, it is as if k is pressed too | 12:36 |
| crashanddie | what is shift + blue arrow + J supposed to yield? | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: when are you back on a desktop btw? | 12:37 |
| chaoyi | ")" symbol, i think | 12:38 |
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| crashanddie | chaoyi: isn't that simply blue arrow + j? | 12:38 |
| chaoyi | but it displays ")&", same think for shift arrow + k | 12:38 |
| crashanddie | chaoyi: don't use shift | 12:38 |
| chaoyi | crashanddie: yes, but i am trying to remap level 3 | 12:38 |
| crashanddie | well obviously the multiplexing is causing issues | 12:39 |
| chaoyi | crashanddie: seems like other keys do not have this problem except j k | 12:39 |
| crashanddie | chaoyi: j and k work fine on their own? | 12:39 |
| chaoyi | yes | 12:39 |
| crashanddie | i dunno | 12:40 |
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| chaoyi | crashanddie: thank you all the same; i am not sure it's only the problem of my keyboard | 12:41 |
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| chaoyi | crashanddie: would any one has a n900 type "shift + blue arrow + j" in the terminal and see if there are two symbols ")&" pops up? | 12:43 |
| crashanddie | chaoyi: sure, hang on | 12:43 |
| chaoyi | crashanddie: thank you crashanddie | 12:43 |
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| crashanddie | chaoyi: confirmed, same behaviour here | 12:44 |
| chaoyi | crashanddie: thank you, guess i should skip these two for remapping on level 3 | 12:44 |
| fragment | I get ); instead | 12:44 |
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| crashanddie | fragment: you probably have a specific key layout? | 12:45 |
| fragment | crashanddie: finnish/swedish keymap | 12:45 |
| wazd | Derp | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | chaoyi: interesting bug though, could you check bmo to see if there's a bug for it | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | ? | 12:45 |
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| fragment | crashanddie: same with the key "k" | 12:46 |
| crashanddie | fragment: yes, j and k do the same | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: It should be safe now to set chanmode to -q $~a | 12:47 |
| fragment | z and x produce euro sign and $ | 12:47 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: there's a q? | 12:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the new -/+R | 12:47 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 12:47 |
| crashanddie | hang on | 12:48 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: we only have R when there's bots | 12:48 |
| crashanddie_ | !op | 12:49 |
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| chaoyi | crashanddie: couldn't find related info in bmo, i use keyword "keyboard" "rx-51" | 12:50 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: do you have a website documenting the new registered mask? | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | #freenode | 12:51 |
| crashanddie | meh, was hoping for a blogpost or something | 12:51 |
| crashanddie | damn... Henin lost :( | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-01-30 10:17:25] <mquin> DocScrutinizer: it will have been translated to '+q $~a' | 12:53 |
| crashanddie | "Traditionally, full moon was associated with strange behaviour among humans and animals. It was believed that full moon leads to temporal insomnia, insanity, and magical phenomenon like lycanthropy. But psychologists state that the connection is nonexistent." | 12:53 |
| crashanddie | my favourite sentence of the month: who writes this shit? | 12:54 |
| crashanddie | "psychologists" debunked werewolfs? | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml is as good as it gets for now I think | 12:55 |
| crashanddie | yeah, aware of that, I'm guessing the new q filter is due to the new hyperion version | 12:57 |
| range | Yeah. +q $~a doesn't tell the user to go and register anymore, though. +R's behaviour was better. | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: anyway -q $~a is confirmed to remove ""+R"" for #openmoko* | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | no hyperion version. ircd | 12:57 |
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| `0660 | crashanddie, in that quote it is only said that psychologists say there is no connection between werewolfes and full moon | 12:58 |
| `0660 | they say nothing about werewolfes being not real :) | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | well they say there is no connection between lycanthropy and full moon... and what's a werewolf without a full moon? just a big wolf | 13:00 |
| jaska | howling in frustration | 13:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, having worked retail quite extensively. I can tell you that those "psychologists" are full of shit. :D | 13:05 |
| crashanddie | hahaha | 13:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, also: leaving both bathroom doors open (they face eathother across the room) and allowing their mirrors to reflect one another creates a vortex. | 13:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, transparency my ass! I smell karma whoring. :P | 13:07 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I'm removing my thanks from that post Stskeeps ! | 13:07 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: check out his signature, Sherlock :D | 13:08 |
| thresh | moroning | 13:08 |
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| wazd | Thresh: moaning | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | God that's depressing. the N900 is losing out to the freaking Blackberry. | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: heh | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: at least i can point people to this when they ask what i -actually- do around here | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, yeah. | 13:10 |
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| wazd | E63 is the best blackberry | 13:12 |
| wazd | N900 can't stand a chance | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | as a blackberry, yeah | 13:12 |
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| wazd | I wonder if anyone will be sued for "blueberry" trademark :D | 13:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: crashanddie: http://blog.freenode.net/ | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | not much on +R recommendation getting obsolete. But it's obviously self evident | 13:15 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders a burberry n900 case. | 13:15 | |
| wazd | Barbery Bold :D | 13:16 |
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| wazd | ~seen qwerty12 | 13:18 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 57d 16h 54m 20s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. | 13:18 |
| wazd | Heh | 13:18 |
| wazd | That's the spirit | 13:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We seriously need to fix the default Bugzilla search. | 13:24 |
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| lbt | hmm does maemo sponsor freenode at all? | 13:25 |
| LuciusMare | hello | 13:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, not that I'm aware of. | 13:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of the 3651 bugs filed in the past 4 months, 555 have been marked DUPLICATE. | 13:25 |
| lbt | seems like the council should throw something their way? | 13:25 |
| LuciusMare | i tried "mplayer v4l2:///dev/video0" but it does not work - what is the right command? | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | 3651! slacker! | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0 | 13:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, of their personal funds? | 13:26 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | also - remember to open the pod-bay-doors. | 13:26 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: no :) | 13:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, well, there's no discretionary fund as of yet. ;) | 13:26 |
| LuciusMare | SpeedEvil: so, no video 4 linux? Okay,then | 13:26 |
| lbt | it just seems that #maemo and the rest are really valuable to the community | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, sponsoring freenode gives me lilo vibes | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: it's a v4l2 source - I haven'/t seen that form of invocation for mplayer | 13:27 |
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| * lbt prefers grub | 13:27 | |
| * SpeedEvil still uses lilo. | 13:27 | |
| SpeedEvil | Does what it says on the tin. | 13:27 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 13:28 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: have you used Novell's bugzill | 13:28 |
| lbt | a | 13:28 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 13:28 |
| slonopotamus | ~ping | 13:28 |
| infobot | ~pong | 13:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, not recently. | 13:28 |
| lbt | seriously worth a quick look | 13:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I think I poked around it a while ago for the same reason you're telling me now. | 13:28 |
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| lbt | Step 1 of 3 - has your bug already been reported? | 13:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, guided submission form. | 13:28 |
| lbt | practically forces a search | 13:28 |
| lbt | yes | 13:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, blocking on 3.4 | 13:28 |
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| lbt | nah, it allows a straight submit | 13:29 |
| lbt | *waaaay* down the page :) | 13:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, no, we're blocking on that with the 3.4 upgrade. :) | 13:29 |
| lbt | oh | 13:29 |
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| lbt | Is it part of std bugzilla now? | 13:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's part of bugzilla in 2.2. | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | But there have been some improvements with 3.4 | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | and we want to do a number of our own, too. | 13:30 |
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| lbt | *nod* - granny + eggs eh? <grin> | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, if somebody could con tekojo into giving Karsten some more hours to work on it. . . . ;) | 13:31 |
| lbt | he's not doing bzilla is he? | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's working on the 3.4 upgrade. | 13:32 |
| lbt | he should blog about this stuff | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remember, he was the technical part of the Bugmaster position until Nokia poached him. . . . | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | He has been, I think. | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://blogs.gnome.org/kbrae/ | 13:32 |
| lbt | is that syndicated? | 13:33 |
| lbt | to planet? | 13:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | 30BAAAKIN: that's such an illegal nickname | 13:33 |
| Quibus | Hahahaha! :D | 13:34 |
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| * RST38h moos at all the present | 13:36 | |
| jophish | in which repository is portmap? | 13:37 |
| * Corsac moos RST38h | 13:37 | |
| * SpeedEvil turns Corsacbox upside down again | 13:38 | |
| * lbt loww back | 13:38 | |
| * Corsac moos again | 13:38 | |
| lbt | s/loww/lows/ | 13:38 |
| Corsac | well technically a Corsac is a fox so “moo” might not be exactly accurate | 13:39 |
| * wazd moos back with his lowest voice | 13:39 | |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: Only for animals that conform to their stereotypes. | 13:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: how is suffering today? =) | 13:40 |
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| crashanddie | test | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | s/blue/green/ | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | blue | 13:42 |
| crashanddie | s/blue/green/ | 13:42 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: green | 13:42 |
| * crashanddie test | 13:42 | |
| crashanddie | s/test/action/ | 13:42 |
| crashanddie | interesting | 13:42 |
| jophish | would somebody be able to post their /etc/apt/sources.list? | 13:43 |
| jophish | when trying to install nfs-common, it is no in any of my repos, however it is referenced by other packages. portmap is not available at all | 13:44 |
| wazd | Rst38h: my knee hurts, I'm freezing, well, really good :) | 13:44 |
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| RST38h | wazd: at least the lights are on | 13:44 |
| RST38h | =) | 13:45 |
| wazd | Rst38h: heh) | 13:45 |
| wazd | It's cold even in subway | 13:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: And, thanks to Steve Jobs, we can all be looking forward to a Maemo tablet =) | 13:46 |
| wazd | Maybe I'm sick ( | 13:46 |
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| wazd | rst38h: in 2 years) | 13:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, trips to the Moon are cancelled for at least 10 years, so maemotablet looks like a really nice goal at 2 years =) | 13:47 |
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| wazd | Maemo team needs it's own Steve Jobs :) | 13:48 |
| * wazd whistles | 13:48 | |
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| RST38h | Then they would be doing something completely different | 13:49 |
| RST38h | as to not to copy the original Steve =) | 13:49 |
| wazd | Sure) | 13:49 |
| wazd | That's the plan) | 13:49 |
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| wazd | Pixel Qi screen + stantum touchscreen + modified wacom pen | 13:51 |
| zaheerm | nPad | 13:51 |
| wazd | No | 13:51 |
| wazd | N 985236 | 13:51 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Wholething made by Wacom and sold for $5999.99 | 13:53 |
| wazd | Stantum for positioning, pen with some wireless channel,small battery and pressure reader | 13:53 |
| wazd | RsT38h: yeah | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | how about a phone with a triple screen? | 13:53 |
| RST38h | BTW, as someone already mentioned, iPad seems to make a hell of a table game platform | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | when it's closed, two of the screens are protected, and you have 1 screen facing outwards | 13:54 |
| zaheerm | and given free to all with positive karma on maemo.org? | 13:54 |
| RST38h | Like Microsoft Surface only handheld and affordable | 13:54 |
| wazd | Rst38h: and it's 30" screen) | 13:54 |
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| zaheerm | RST38h, i prefer my pool table :) | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | so that you can use it without unfolding it | 13:54 |
| RST38h | zaheerm: does it show pretty images too? =) | 13:54 |
| wazd | RsT38h: 9"? Don't think so | 13:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: It is sufficient, really | 13:54 |
| zaheerm | RST38h, depends how good your shots are :) | 13:55 |
| wazd | Rst38h: nah) | 13:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: consider the size of a typical table game foldout | 13:55 |
| wazd | Rst38h: 15" | 13:55 |
| zaheerm | table games are 6 feet long | 13:55 |
| wazd | Rst38h: or even more | 13:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: diagonally? yea, sounds right | 13:55 |
| zaheerm | or even 9 feet | 13:55 |
| wazd | RsT38h: have you seen em lately?) | 13:55 |
| zaheerm | we need an iPad maxi | 13:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: But can 9" do at the cost of making pieces smaller? | 13:56 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Yea, lots of D&D people around | 13:56 |
| zaheerm | you talking about chess/draughts ? | 13:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Even publishing their own magazine with their own game knockoffs and making their own pieces | 13:56 |
| wazd | RsT38h: then you can use n900 for that :) | 13:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Some plastic factory in Gelendzhik (yea, I know ;)) makes and sells them | 13:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: I would be willing to try implementing something like that on n900 | 13:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: Provided somebody does the artwork | 13:57 |
| wazd | RsT38h: things like warhammer anf suff have its worth in handpainted figures, not field | 13:57 |
| wazd | RsT38h: and you can play monopoly via snes emu :P | 13:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yea, but have you ever played Japanese strategy stuff? Like the Final Fantasy Tactics? | 13:58 |
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| wazd | RsT38h: on PS | 13:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well I played the GBA version | 13:59 |
| RST38h | wazd: Imagine something like that on a larger board with networking | 13:59 |
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| plastun | hello, how to remove package from extras-devel? is it possible? | 14:06 |
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| RST38h | Ask X-Fade, he will do it for you | 14:07 |
| RST38h | jeremiah can also help | 14:07 |
| Arkenoi | how do i restart contacts widget without reboot? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8691 <- this bug is damn annoying | 14:07 |
| povbot | Bug 8691: Contacts widget crashing when trying to place SIP call | 14:07 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: if cycling it does not help, ps -ax | grep telepathy and kill by pid | 14:08 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, nope, killing telepathy does restart communication services but does not affect desktop widgets | 14:11 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Hmm then | 14:14 |
| * RST38h is not exactly sure WHAT crashes for Arkenoi | 14:14 | |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: contacts desktop widget. it dies taking all contacts off desktop | 14:15 |
| Arkenoi | until reboot | 14:15 |
| Arkenoi | as i know now way to restart it | 14:15 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: go to edit-desktop, disable it, enable it again? | 14:16 |
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| Arkenoi | rst38h: disable what? | 14:17 |
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| RST38h | Aerkenoi: oh shit, there IS nothing to disable =( | 14:18 |
| * RST38h understands the problem now | 14:18 | |
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| Arkenoi | rst38h: seems that placing sip call in "bad state" may crash almost anything whatever app it initiated it. quite strange architecture.. | 14:22 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: When you see konttori here, please, bring this bug to his attention | 14:24 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: It is stability related, so theoretically should get top priority | 14:24 |
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| achipa | is there something cuckoo with the builders ? | 14:25 |
| achipa | I just managed to somehow build the same package twice (at least it got built two times in a row...) | 14:25 |
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| RST38h | armel and i386 maybe? | 14:32 |
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| LuciusMare | hi, i dont know if this can be caused also by the maemo, but - i have ssh server running on my tablet, i connected to it, with -X and ran an app that needs X, but it ran on the tablet | 14:33 |
| inz | yeah, some scripts override the DISPLAY env var | 14:34 |
| inz | i notived that too | 14:34 |
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| LuciusMare | so, how did you solve it? | 14:38 |
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| LuciusMare | hm - "echo $DISPLAY → :0 | 14:41 |
| LuciusMare | argh | 14:41 |
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| LuciusMare | s/:0/:0.0/ | 14:42 |
| LuciusMare | so this might be the problem? | 14:42 |
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| inz | lucius, yep, with ssh the display is usually :10, but that didnt help for me | 14:44 |
| inz | seems that the x11 forwarding is broken | 14:44 |
| inz | missing xhost or sth | 14:45 |
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| LuciusMare | aw | 14:46 |
| LuciusMare | that sucks | 14:46 |
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| LuciusMare | *ack* | 14:53 |
| LuciusMare | there is a sshd instance on my tablet | 14:53 |
| LuciusMare | no matter how many times i kill it, it always appears again | 14:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Uninstall it . . . ? | 14:55 |
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| LuciusMare | i want it to run only at specified times, no need to have it always running | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | How are you "killing" it? | 14:56 |
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| LuciusMare | "ps aux|grep sshd|awk '{ print $1 }'|xargs kill" ;) | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | How about "stop sshd"? :) | 14:56 |
| LuciusMare | well | 14:56 |
| LuciusMare | that didnt appear in my mind | 14:57 |
| LuciusMare | but what else does it do, than killing it? | 14:57 |
| LuciusMare | also, it also always runs with -D | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're going through upstart that way. | 14:57 |
| Quibus | What's the typical time before someone responds to a request for an extras account on garage? | 14:58 |
| LuciusMare | "while [1]; do; ps aux|grep sshd|awk '{ print $1 }'|xargs kill; sleep 2 ;done" | 14:58 |
| LuciusMare | ;) | 14:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | awk '/sshd/{print $1}' | 14:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | or even awk '/sshd/{system("kill "$1}' | 15:00 |
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| LuciusMare | heh, the only command i know for awk is print $numberofcollumn | 15:00 |
| LuciusMare | ^^ | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quibus, 48 hours. | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | or more sanely, kill `pidof sshd` | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quibus, weekdays. | 15:00 |
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| LuciusMare | pidof sshd|xargs kill | 15:01 |
| LuciusMare | anyway,what does it do? the /sshd/system... ? | 15:02 |
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| flux | luciusmare, how about 'stop sshd' | 15:03 |
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| LuciusMare | hah | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | /foo/ is a pattern. {action} is an action - it is run every time the pattern matches. | 15:03 |
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| LuciusMare | oh | 15:03 |
| LuciusMare | nice,thanks | 15:04 |
| flux | luciusmare, and you can start it again with 'start' | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | So '/foo/{print "I saw foo"}/bar/{print "I saw bar"} | 15:04 |
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| spectre- | hola! | 15:04 |
| acidjazz | HAI | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Patterns can also be expressions - such as awk '!a[$4]++' | 15:04 |
| acidjazz | who here is writing python apps | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | This if the 4th column has not been seen before - prints it. | 15:05 |
| acidjazz | is this regex talk | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | awk | 15:05 |
| acidjazz | <3 awk | 15:05 |
| spectre- | ditto | 15:05 |
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| LuciusMare | sed! | 15:05 |
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| LuciusMare | :D | 15:05 |
| acidjazz | u know what also rules | 15:06 |
| acidjazz | ack | 15:06 |
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| * SpeedEvil has used awk for realtime DSP. | 15:06 | |
| SpeedEvil | (GPS + awk + soundcard hooked to car injector = realtime miles per gallon reading | 15:06 |
| LuciusMare | http://www.pmptoday.com/2009/12/09/nokia-n900-to-get-firefox-mobile/ ? | 15:06 |
| acidjazz | lol | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | it's already available. | 15:07 |
| Quibus | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Look at firefox.com/m/ | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 15:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | but it uses a bit too much RAM at the moment | 15:07 |
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| LuciusMare | hm | 15:08 |
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| * Alterego thinks xchat needs a few tweaks. | 15:08 | |
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| acidjazz | doesnt the n900 run ff? | 15:08 |
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| acidjazz | wtf u doin usin xchat | 15:09 |
| acidjazz | all about irssi | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | acidjazz: yes. | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | xchat is nice. | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | and yes | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | scrolly xchat would be nice | 15:09 |
| acidjazz | irssi | 15:09 |
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| acidjazz | pageup | 15:09 |
| acidjazz | pagedown | 15:09 |
| acidjazz | implement swipe up and down in x terminal to pageup pagedown booya | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | go do it! | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | implement it in screen | 15:10 |
| Corsac | hmhm, can someone try to edit a contact address and change the country? | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | so you can bind gestures to a keystroke. | 15:10 |
| acidjazz | DONE | 15:10 |
| acidjazz | u don tneed to do it in screen | 15:10 |
| Corsac | I only have a text field which but I can't save anything | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | based on the xterm already existing mouse support | 15:10 |
| acidjazz | yea SpeedEvil | 15:11 |
| acidjazz | well | 15:11 |
| acidjazz | no | 15:11 |
| acidjazz | id do it at the term level itself | 15:11 |
| acidjazz | the client | 15:11 |
| * lcuk wants mind control interface for my flying car | 15:11 | |
| SpeedEvil | doing it in screen means you can use any terminal on any platform though | 15:11 |
| acidjazz | LOOK ITS 2010 OK | 15:11 |
| acidjazz | THE FUCK ARE THE FLYING CARS ALRD | 15:11 |
| lcuk | yeah, so wheres my damned duke nukem forever | 15:11 |
| acidjazz | android terminal does it | 15:11 |
| LuciusMare | also | 15:12 |
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| LuciusMare | its fucking 2010 | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | acidjazz: I have plans for a hoverboard. | 15:12 |
| LuciusMare | and majority of us are still using mainly cli apps | 15:12 |
| acidjazz | lol when i was a boy | 15:12 |
| acidjazz | and back to the future came out | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | acidjazz: ~80cm*80cm*20cm ~60Kg. 4Km altitude in 5 mins | 15:12 |
| lcuk | they are coming, quadrocopters make for a decent platform | 15:12 |
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| acidjazz | i remember a rumor at school they sold hoverboards at uhm | 15:12 |
| acidjazz | universal studios | 15:12 |
| LuciusMare | haha | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | acidjazz: $60000 or so in small quantities. | 15:12 |
| acidjazz | i begged for my LIFE to get one to my parents | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | acidjazz: though alas quite illegal to ride. | 15:12 |
| LuciusMare | WAIT A MINUTE | 15:13 |
| LuciusMare | you begged for your llife? | 15:13 |
| acidjazz | in trade of my life | 15:13 |
| acidjazz | i would hold my breath | 15:13 |
| acidjazz | until i was blue | 15:13 |
| LuciusMare | :) | 15:13 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 15:13 |
| LuciusMare | pretty normal | 15:13 |
| Corsac | in fact the country seems hardcoded to *my* country | 15:14 |
| LuciusMare | i thought of "i would kill myself if you would give me the hoverboard!" | 15:14 |
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| acidjazz | yea i worded it wrong | 15:14 |
| acidjazz | which country Corsac | 15:14 |
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| acidjazz | wtf would you need countrys in contacts | 15:14 |
| LuciusMare | +1 | 15:14 |
| acidjazz | you konw that many ppl? | 15:14 |
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| LuciusMare | I personally see no use for the "gender" collumn anyway | 15:15 |
| lcuk | acidjazz, please dont insult users who do things differently to you | 15:15 |
| lcuk | :P | 15:15 |
| acidjazz | lol | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | acidjazz: consider - you're in belgium - and you're given a local number for someone in the UK by a german. | 15:15 |
| acidjazz | i dont mean to insult w/ logical reason | 15:15 |
| lcuk | and cant hermes like install all 7000000000 of your facebook contacts | 15:16 |
| acidjazz | fuck hermes | 15:16 |
| LuciusMare | hermes? | 15:16 |
| acidjazz | that shit messes it up bad | 15:16 |
| acidjazz | dont try it | 15:16 |
| Corsac | acidjazz: hen you enter an address | 15:16 |
| Corsac | acidjazz: in my case, when I add an address to a contact, the country is hardcoded to France | 15:17 |
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| acidjazz | thats odd | 15:17 |
| acidjazz | i never noticed a country | 15:18 |
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| acidjazz | yea dood no country | 15:18 |
| acidjazz | are you talkin about maemo? | 15:18 |
| LuciusMare | Holy crap why did i just read your nick as "acidjizz?" | 15:19 |
| acidjazz | origina | 15:19 |
| acidjazz | l | 15:19 |
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| ieatlint | acidjazz, are you on meth? or perhaps a tad manic? | 15:19 |
| acidjazz | just not really paying attention i guess | 15:19 |
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| jophish | when trying to install nfs-common, it is no in any of my repos, however it is referenced by other packages. portmap is not available at all | 15:20 |
| Corsac | acidjazz: try to add an address to a contact | 15:21 |
| Corsac | I submitted #8693 in case you want the steps | 15:22 |
| acidjazz | mines defaulted to usa | 15:22 |
| lcuk | bug #8693 | 15:22 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8693 contact country address hardcoded to the owner's country | 15:22 |
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| acidjazz | sorry i was looking @ fields not addresses | 15:22 |
| acidjazz | whats the bug? | 15:22 |
| Corsac | that I can't change the country | 15:23 |
| Corsac | can you? | 15:23 |
| acidjazz | yup | 15:23 |
| acidjazz | made a contact from tunisia | 15:23 |
| andre__ | known bug | 15:23 |
| ieatlint | i can too | 15:23 |
| acidjazz | works fine | 15:23 |
| acidjazz | sry | 15:23 |
| Corsac | andre__: damn, I didn't find it | 15:24 |
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| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7515 | 15:24 |
| povbot | Bug 7515: List of countries not shown on tapping the country picker button | 15:24 |
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| ieatlint | perhaps a localisation issue | 15:25 |
| ieatlint | works fine here in us english | 15:25 |
| Corsac | or acidjazz uses 2009.52 :) | 15:25 |
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| Corsac | I use uk english here | 15:26 |
| Corsac | and regional settings are set to France | 15:26 |
| ieatlint | 2.2009.51-1.002 here | 15:26 |
| acidjazz | how do i find my version | 15:26 |
| acidjazz | or build | 15:26 |
| ieatlint | go to settings and select "about product" | 15:27 |
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| ieatlint | it should also be listed in your installed packages in the app manager... the package being "Maemo" | 15:30 |
| acidjazz | lol ive downloaded 3 versions of this movie and i cannot find a damn english subbed version | 15:31 |
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| Stskeeps | wb wazd | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: shut up, your karma whore :P | 16:03 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: reheya, home at last | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | no karma for irc | 16:04 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: ++ | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: could i interest you in helping me with some css? | 16:04 |
| wazd | :P | 16:04 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: sure | 16:04 |
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| RST38h | "How to redesign the internal combustion engine to run on human blood, using only pre-existing parts." | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | excellent for the battlefield | 16:06 |
| RST38h | ...and not only.. | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Dry the blood, supply it as a powder, and use a modified deisel engine. | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: lubrication will be a problem - as the ash will be abrasive. | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Modified - as you'll need to swap the injector for a system similar to a carbureter - but designed to dispense powder. | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - large / slow engines will work best - the combustion velocity will be slow. | 16:08 |
| RST38h | Practical, ain't we? =) | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | NoX levels may be a problem if you want to use it in some legislations. | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | dried blood burns? | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | what's the calorie level? | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | dried organic anything burns - pretty much | 16:09 |
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| crashanddie | I can see how vegetable oil can be used instead of diesel, I have a hard time comprehending how powder would work the same way | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: look up grain elevator explosions. | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | There were efforts to get engines running on coal dust. | 16:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | It works - but abrasion is a horrible problem. | 16:10 |
| wazd | You won't have many bodies to use in current conflicts | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | diesel - old engines - simply put a fine spray of oil droplets into the air. | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | If you replace that with a fine powder it still works | 16:11 |
| inz | You mean blood would combust without ignition? | 16:11 |
| acidjazz | would it combust at alL? | 16:12 |
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| RST38h | wazd: one word: haiti | 16:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | inz: yes. - dried. | 16:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | inz: any powder in an atmosphere that is heated to several thousand C - as it is in a diesel type engine - combusts vigourously. | 16:13 |
| RST38h | Canadians deliver: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/time-to-end-pelvic-exams-done-without-consent/article1447337/# | 16:13 |
| wazd | Rst38h: and seriously, I thought it's unethic enough :) | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: so same idea as cornstarch? | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: yes | 16:13 |
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| crashanddie | k | 16:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: well, if the locals make barricades of them, why not burn them as fuel? | 16:14 |
| inz | Speed, who heats it up? | 16:14 |
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| wazd | Rst38h: cause you're more human than them?) | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | inz: the compression. | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | inz: if you compress a gas - it heats up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_compression | 16:16 |
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| acidjazz | lol RST38h | 16:17 |
| acidjazz | the haiti comment | 16:17 |
| acidjazz | too soon? | 16:17 |
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| inz | Speed, oh yeah, of course it does =) | 16:18 |
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| inz | Speed, silly me | 16:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: I have not said I am going to burn them as fuel personally =) | 16:20 |
| wazd | Acidjazz: well, shit happens | 16:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: but, of course, not because I am somehow more human, mostly because I am squeamish | 16:21 |
| wazd | Acidjazz: if you think that life in Haiti was like in paradise before the quake - think again | 16:22 |
| wazd | Rst38h: heh) | 16:22 |
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| adalal | hello all... any reason why my msn plugin for the contacts keeps timing out (Network Error), and I have to restart the phone for it to get back online... re | 16:34 |
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| YeTr2 | lololol | 16:51 |
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| n1c0 | lo | 17:01 |
| LeoD | hi | 17:02 |
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| Andy80 | anyone of you has tried to install latest Firefox 1.0 for N900? | 17:09 |
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| Andy80 | clicking on install link it asks me to add a repository and in the distro name it has "chinook" O_o | 17:09 |
| flux | indeed | 17:10 |
| flux | worked just fine anyway :) | 17:10 |
| kimitake | me, too | 17:10 |
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| acidjazz | are contacts in maemo stored in sqlite? | 17:10 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: can you (or someone else) set -q $~a in #maemo-devel please? (it's the equivilant of +R, set from when freenode switched server.. shouldn't be needed anymore, as a result of that switch..) | 17:12 |
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| Stskeeps | why not just switch to +C? | 17:13 |
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| dotblank | well I just flased my n900... didn't run into anyproblems.. I thought the backup app works really well | 17:18 |
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| wazd | ~ping | 17:20 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:21 |
| wazd | meh | 17:21 |
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| dotblank | I used to yell ping in the hallways at school and sometimes a random person would yell pong | 17:21 |
| ieatlint | you should've yelled syn | 17:22 |
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| dotblank | Ack! no way | 17:22 |
| ieatlint | :P | 17:22 |
| RST38h | ~lawyers | 17:23 |
| dotblank | Who says the n900 doesnt have many apps... I have to download 570mb worth of them | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 17:26 |
| RST38h | why? | 17:26 |
| Matthew- | dotblank: I dont think you will be able to | 17:26 |
| thresh | for mirroring purposes? | 17:26 |
| Matthew- | ah | 17:27 |
| Matthew- | ! | 17:27 |
| Matthew- | i thought on his device ;D | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | w00t: seems chanops are reluctant. | 17:27 |
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| * DocScrutinizer suggested same some 5h ago :-P | 17:28 | |
| LuciusMare | why does my n900 always resets his hostname after reboot? | 17:28 |
| crashanddie | w00t: we don't have +R, we only set it during obvious bot attacks | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: you *have* | 17:28 |
| crashanddie | LuciusMare: because he wants to | 17:28 |
| acidjazz | lol wazd so because life was hard there its less of a deal 150k of em died? | 17:28 |
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| dotblank | Matthew-, I just did | 17:28 |
| LuciusMare | and how do i make it stop? I want to set my own hostname | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: just it's called +q $~a now | 17:29 |
| acidjazz | dotblank: mb != count | 17:29 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: beg your pardon? | 17:29 |
| dotblank | acidjazz, I know :) | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: DocScrutinizer51 can't pst to #maemo | 17:29 |
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| LuciusMare | crashanddie? | 17:30 |
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| crashanddie_ | == Channel modes on #maemo are: +cn | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: /mode -q | 17:30 |
| crashanddie_ | I don't see an R | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: just it's called +q $~a now | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | /mode #maemo -q $~a | 17:30 |
| crashanddie_ | but it's not set! | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | yes it is | 17:31 |
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| Stskeeps | /mode #maemo q | 17:31 |
| crashanddie_ | wtf | 17:31 |
| acidjazz | lol | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: /etc/init.d/rS? | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | rcS | 17:31 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 17:31 |
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| crashanddie_ | oh ffs | 17:32 |
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| petey2 | hey | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping | 17:32 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | :-) | 17:33 |
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| crashanddie_ | better now? | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yup | 17:33 |
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| crashanddie_ | how about freenode uses a system which shows up in the old queries | 17:33 |
| petey2 | I am having problems loging in to the facebook-widget. I am writing the correct email and password but get "wrong email / password" message... I have swedish keyboard layout... | 17:33 |
| Orange1 | ~ping | 17:33 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:33 |
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| Orange1 | xaxa | 17:34 |
| wazd | acidjazz: no, because you only care when lot's of people die | 17:34 |
| wazd | lots* | 17:34 |
| Orange1 | ~ping | 17:34 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:34 |
| crashanddie_ | don't tell me that's a bot | 17:34 |
| crashanddie_ | or I'm shooting myself | 17:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: well, they also have to die spectacularly | 17:34 |
| frals | lol | 17:34 |
| crashanddie_ | Orange1: identify yourself | 17:34 |
| acidjazz | does it have a sandbox python interpreter we can use in the channel | 17:35 |
| acidjazz | as well | 17:35 |
| acidjazz | maybe itll shorturl links | 17:35 |
| acidjazz | aka flood w/ meaningless scroll | 17:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: i.e. carpet bombings, tsunamis, earthquakes, nuclear explosions count, hunger and most diseases do not | 17:35 |
| crashanddie_ | acidjazz: povbot is the only bot allowed in the channel | 17:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: Most NATO military actions do not count, unless NATO fucks up real bad | 17:35 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie_: im being sarcastic and agreeing w/ u | 17:35 |
| crashanddie_ | oh my bad, misread that | 17:36 |
| crashanddie_ | Orange1: ? | 17:36 |
| Orange1 | crashanddie ah? | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Orange1: turingtest ;-) | 17:37 |
| Orange1 | i'm the organe pest | 17:37 |
| crashanddie | Orange1: say something human | 17:37 |
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| Orange1 | MUAHAHAHA | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 17:37 |
| crashanddie | yeah, you're not convincing me mate | 17:37 |
| thresh | i'm actually amazed on the quality of n900's photos when there's a sun light | 17:37 |
| Orange1 | that's ok? | 17:37 |
| thresh | now, someone needs to make fotki.yandex share service support:) | 17:37 |
| crashanddie | not really | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:38 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: opinion? | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | passed | 17:38 |
| crashanddie | he did? | 17:38 |
| eean | thresh: dosn't stop me from bringing my camera when I really want to take some photos. I just wish it was trivial to transfer files between my camera and the phone. | 17:38 |
| Orange1 | crashanddie we, the bots, we are very sofistificat'd day by day | 17:38 |
| Orange1 | (?) | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 17:38 |
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| thresh | eean: of course. | 17:38 |
| RST38h | picasa first | 17:39 |
| thresh | it's good enough for ocassional photoing. | 17:39 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie_: lol u realize infobot is hte bot and not Orange1 right | 17:39 |
| thresh | screw picasa, yandex has unlimited storage ;) | 17:39 |
| adalal | hello, how do you get the hciconfig to install on maemo 5? | 17:39 |
| eean | the next 'mobile computer' needs a host usb port or we take away nokia's cookies | 17:39 |
| crashanddie | Orange1: you'd be amazed at how sophisticated they get... and considering you haven't been making a lot of sense for more than the contents of one sentence, I remain on the skeptic side of the fence | 17:39 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: considering I'm the one who voiced povbot... | 17:40 |
| Orange1 | crashanddie the bots wa can get some sex and satisfaktion | 17:40 |
| Orange1 | oh i forgot to say, drinks 2! | 17:40 |
| Orange1 | *we | 17:40 |
| Orange1 | not *wa | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | go sleep it off mate | 17:41 |
| crashanddie | you're making no sense at all... so you must be drunk | 17:41 |
| RST38h | thresh: actually, retromap.ru in something like maemo mapper would be mighty cool | 17:41 |
| ieatlint | alcohol is good | 17:41 |
| adalal | and how do i get my phone's bluetooth to be realised as a phone, and not others :P | 17:41 |
| Orange1 | crashanddie for you dear | 17:41 |
| adalal | |? | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually better than ELIZA | 17:41 |
| Orange1 | ieatlint yeah sur! | 17:41 |
| crashanddie | ~burn Orange1 | 17:42 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over Orange1, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 17:42 | |
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| Orange1 | ~burn crashanddie | 17:43 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over crashanddie, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 17:43 | |
| dotblank | Has anyone fixed the call with skype invalid number bug? | 17:43 |
| Orange1 | xoxooxo | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | eean: it's not 100% clear that USB host mode can't be enabled. However - it's very much a work in progress. There have been a number of statements from nokia employees, and when chased up all the detailed ones seeme to have flawed reasoning. Plus - the hardware - from what docs are available - does not seem to be configurable in a way to stop host mode working. | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay. may I rethink my vote? | 17:43 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: you can | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | eean: well - there is save to uSD, and plug it in of course | 17:44 |
| crashanddie | Orange1: what president of the USA was shot in 1963? | 17:44 |
| Mek | from what I heard, there is some hard-to-reach pin on some chip to whcich you'd need to solder something to get host mde... | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Orange1: last chance - or you'll go for the first human too soaked to pass turng | 17:44 |
| Orange1 | crashanddie USA..?? is a new UFO version? | 17:45 |
| RST38h | what is gtkparasite? | 17:45 |
| Orange1 | Kennedy go to sleep to Mars with crashanddie... | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | k that's probably weird enough | 17:46 |
| Orange1 | DocScrutinizer da ya...? | 17:46 |
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| Orange1 | maybe you wanna hear somethin' of Alice Cooper (?) | 17:46 |
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| Orange1 | oh shit!! | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lollercatz | 17:47 |
| crashanddie | he seriously made me doubt | 17:48 |
| aquatix | heh, yeah | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | me too | 17:48 |
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| aquatix | .es though | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | well then | 17:48 |
| aquatix | ah no, that's just the ircap | 17:48 |
| RST38h | crashanddit: you forgot +b | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | no, I didn't | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | those weird andalusians | 17:48 |
| RST38h | gooooooooooood | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | "Robots evolve to learn cooperation, hunting" | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | what could go wrong? | 17:49 |
| aquatix | :) | 17:49 |
| eean | SpeedEvil: it shouldn't be a hack, there should be an actual USB plug :) | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | eean: yup, and world hunger shouldn't exist | 17:49 |
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| eean | a phone with host usb is hardly as hard to solve as world hungre... | 17:50 |
| crashanddie | says you | 17:50 |
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| ieatlint | i agree... eating food is far simpler than making a phone with usb host mode | 17:51 |
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| crashanddie | ieatlint: yeah, I don't understand what all the fuss is about... can't they all just go to maccers and have a sandwich every once in a while? I mean come on! | 17:55 |
| ieatlint | well, not even knowing what maccers is myself... apparently not | 17:56 |
| crashanddie | slang for McDonalds | 17:56 |
| ieatlint | heh, that's not food :P | 17:56 |
| crashanddie | it's a bloody 3 star restaurant to starvers :P | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: still we (OM) managed to get decent hostmode on FR, and I'm sitting here starving ;-P | 17:59 |
| ieatlint | bah, only poor neighbourhoods here even have mcdonalds | 17:59 |
| ieatlint | hah, i thought i recognised your nick ;) | 17:59 |
| ieatlint | true indeed, the fr got hostmode working fine... not much else though :P | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser_: around? | 18:00 |
| ieatlint | first real gtk app i wrote was laughably slow on it... contained maybe 10 widgets and it took a minute to render... | 18:00 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: yep | 18:01 |
| Quibus | OK, I ported a few Debian packages to Maemo... but I don't have a real N900... Is someone willing to test them on a real device? | 18:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | eean: hack as in software - it's an external powered hub, and it 'just works' | 18:05 |
| frals | nice, got my gprs connection up without the phone knowing it, fetching mms while the rest of the phone thinks im on wlan \o/ | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:08 |
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| wazd | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1928558 | 18:15 |
| wazd | :D | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | fetching mms? o.O | 18:16 |
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| kuriiri | frals: nice? :) | 18:17 |
| kuriiri | eer -? :D | 18:17 |
| dotblank | anyone know where the phone's contacts are stored? | 18:17 |
| eean | SpeedEvil: you shouldn't need an external powered hub... my use case is plugging in my camera :) | 18:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes, I know. | 18:18 |
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| Caesium | dotblank: from a quick grep, /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db ? | 18:21 |
| dotblank | is there a way to modify the contact list from command line.. | 18:22 |
| dotblank | I would like to add a + before all contacts' numbers | 18:22 |
| dotblank | So I would want to write a script to handle that | 18:22 |
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| kuriiri | frals: so it can also send mms without manually connecting to mms apn? | 18:23 |
| frals | its what im trying to do atm ;) | 18:24 |
| frals | or well, i succeeded just not, but it needs a lot of work :p | 18:24 |
| frals | s/not/now | 18:24 |
| kuriiri | great... so new version is in the repo in 35mins :) | 18:25 |
| andres | frals: whether that is wholly nice achievement is another question... | 18:25 |
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| frals | kuriiri: hehe, I wish :P | 18:25 |
| ieatlint | dotblank, a quick look shows it's a berkdb database... | 18:25 |
| Caesium | dotblank: need to work out what sort of db it is first, maybe perl can open it with NDBM_File or so. | 18:25 |
| frals | andres: uh? | 18:26 |
| ieatlint | there is wide support for berkdb.. it also appears to primarily be in ascii with a binary header... it *may* be possible to modify it with sed | 18:26 |
| andres | fragment: Opening a gprs connection without really being noticed... | 18:26 |
| andres | err, frals: ^ | 18:26 |
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| frals | andres: If you have another way of having two connections active at once, I'm all ears ;) | 18:27 |
| andres | Unfortunately not ;-) | 18:27 |
| andres | I do see your reasoning... | 18:27 |
| pillar | is there some documentation about system dbus signals and slots? | 18:27 |
| andres | ieatlint: afair, that wont work | 18:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | frals: does the kernel contain support for multiplexing so that multiple APNs can be connected to? | 18:29 |
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| frals | no idea, not tested that yet | 18:30 |
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| ieatlint | andres, sadly you appear to be correct... in scratchbox it does not work | 18:30 |
| andres | ieatlint: there are heaps of problems for such a approach: stored lengths, pointers, page borders, page headers... | 18:32 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, was worth a shot though, as it initially appeared that the only thing separating fields was \r\n | 18:33 |
| Caesium | there's a bunch of binary between each record | 18:33 |
| Caesium | probably each record is just one text blob though | 18:33 |
| petey2 | what is the name of the application manager that tells you user scores/popularity etc.. ? | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | appwatch? | 18:35 |
| petey2 | cheers! | 18:35 |
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| villager | frals: oo, you working on two-connections-at-once? what method are you using? someone once mentioned SO_BINDTODEVICE as a possibility for making a socket talk through a particular interface, like a particular apn | 18:40 |
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| GIUN | ÇiÂO A TuTtI | 18:41 |
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| RST38h | Mhm, users definitely hate Fennec | 18:45 |
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| Alterego | Really want fullscreen on xchat | 18:47 |
| derf | RST38h: This is surprising? | 18:47 |
| tank-man | you can move the divider bars | 18:47 |
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| RST38h | Ctrl+Enter? | 18:47 |
| RST38h | derf: Not at all =( | 18:48 |
| TheBigHead | hello room | 18:48 |
| RST38h | sucks moose balls, hangs the whole system including the lock switch | 18:48 |
| Alterego | oh nice:) | 18:48 |
| derf | Nice. | 18:48 |
| RST38h | most likely by constant swapping | 18:48 |
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| Alterego | is there a short cut to task switcher? | 18:48 |
| derf | Yeah, that would certainly do it. | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | ctlr-backspace | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Alter: Ctrl+BS? | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alterego, install shortcutd too. | 18:49 |
| derf | But the device has 1GB of RAM! | 18:49 |
| derf | Uh, I mean, not RAM, "memory", that's the ticket. | 18:49 |
| Alterego | m'kay | 18:49 |
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| RST38h | derf: the device has it through an 8bit data path to an SD card driven by an 8bit embedded controller or something | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alterego, makes camera key move to dashboard. | 18:49 |
| derf | RST38h: I'm well aware. | 18:50 |
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| derf | It was pretty easy to kill an N8x0 by swapping, too. | 18:50 |
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| derf | Even with a small page file. | 18:50 |
| Alterego | cool. | 18:50 |
| derf | I have no idea why anyone thought 768MB of swap would be at all useful. | 18:50 |
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| RST38h | 512MB would probably be enough | 18:51 |
| RST38h | Just not on a device that slow | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | derf: it's not useless | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | derf: if the swap was properly setup - it'd work well | 18:51 |
| RST38h | General: BTW, do you know if anyone tried moving either swap or /opt to an external memory card? | 18:52 |
| ssvb | derf: to be able to keep a number of *idle* applications loaded in the background? | 18:52 |
| derf | 64MB would have been enough. | 18:52 |
| RST38h | The speed of external/internal card should be pretty much the same but hopefully they have different data pipes | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, not that I know of. | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | ssvb, ++ | 18:52 |
| derf | ssvb: Unless you spent several days swapping out those idle applications... | 18:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://tree.celinuxforum.org/pipermail/celinux-dev/2009-December/001857.html | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | speed of datapipe is close to irrelevant | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | unless you do contiguous writes - which the current swap algo doesn't. | 18:54 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Well we are getting much lower throughput than those cards are made for | 18:55 |
| RST38h | Both read and write | 18:55 |
| Caesium | ieatlint: btw, python anydbm seems to open the addressbook ok, I can't get perl to though | 18:55 |
| RST38h | So, yes, at least in the case of Maemo devices, it matters | 18:56 |
| Alterego | just read that overclocking thread on tmo ... what a nob. | 18:56 |
| ssvb | SpeedEvil: are you absolutely sure that the current swap algo doesn't do it? | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ssvb: as I understand it no. | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ssvb: Many of the optimisations for flash are somewhat different to disk | 18:57 |
| sp3000 | hmm, are there some useful crash reporter docs | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | for flash - random read is cheap - and random write is horribly expensive | 18:57 |
| ssvb | SpeedEvil: have you compared swap code of N900 kernel with the code from the upstream kernel? | 18:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | A 20M/s device can drop to a few tens of K/s if you ask it to write random 512 blocks | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ssvb: no | 18:58 |
| ssvb | ok, I see | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ssvb: Does it differ? | 18:58 |
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| ssvb | afaik, yes | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | if true, that'd be useful for many devices that want to do swap to SD | 19:00 |
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| Alterego | Anyone tested disk bandwidth. | 19:02 |
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| zerojay | ugh... wtf. | 19:04 |
| zerojay | Charging overnight... only 50% battery.. and now suddenly, I can't boot up anymore. | 19:04 |
| Alterego | O_O | 19:05 |
| Alterego | uh, oh ... | 19:05 |
| zerojay | Brand new N900. | 19:05 |
| Caesium | charging from usb or wall socket? | 19:05 |
| zerojay | Had over 50% charge showing... but yet, can't boot. | 19:06 |
| zerojay | Wall. | 19:06 |
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| Caesium | I find that my laptop can't charge it via usb despite it saying it is, had a lucky escape with that, woke up one morning to it at 20% despite being in all night | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, it's your unclean aura. :P | 19:06 |
| Alterego | my laptop can charge it. | 19:06 |
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| Caesium | yeah my desktop PC manages fine. maybe it's just low powered usb, it's only a little sony vaio | 19:07 |
| zerojay | If I try to turn it on... it dies almost as soon as the first set of orbs shows up. | 19:07 |
| Alterego | but when it's really busy. tends to just keep it at a constant level :) | 19:07 |
| zerojay | And now, it says it's charging, but I just see a dull Nokia logo on the screen... can't power up. | 19:07 |
| Alterego | I'm happy though, tethering was much nicer with just one cable. | 19:07 |
| sp3000 | bug 8679 -- does the currently available stuff not display the calendar view that was last shown when closed? | 19:08 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8679 Make calendar default view configurable via calendar settings menu | 19:08 |
| zerojay | Freezing with the second orb highlighted... I gotta reflash now? Seriously? Uggggghhhhh | 19:08 |
| Caesium | hm, does the n900 charge in usb flashing mode? | 19:09 |
| Caesium | you could leave it sat in usb flash mode for a bit maybe if it does. | 19:09 |
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| ShadowJK | it doesn't charge in usb flashing mode I think | 19:09 |
| bigbrovar | hi guys | 19:09 |
| zerojay | Also, charging shouldn't be an issue anyways since I had half a battery still. | 19:09 |
| ShadowJK | Caesium, was your VAIO switched on or off? | 19:10 |
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| Caesium | ShadowJK: on of course :) | 19:10 |
| Caesium | the N900 claimed to be charging | 19:10 |
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| bigbrovar | I hear all the time about people getting like 24 hours batt life out of their n900 with *normal* usage. well the most I ever got out of mine under normal usage is 11 hours | 19:11 |
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| Alterego | i might cap the cpu to 250 to save power :P | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | bigbrovar, clearly something's sucking down power or your definition of "normal" is off. | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alterego, doesn't work like that. | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Race-to-idle, etc. | 19:13 |
| bigbrovar | GeneralAntilles: well am connected to wifi (70% of the time) 3g is turned off and am using gsm mode. listen to music.. | 19:13 |
| bigbrovar | GeneralAntilles: occassional checking the web.. but nothing intensive.. most times the device is in my pocket and am listening to music via the headphone | 19:14 |
| moo-_- | people should just install CPU applet and use top command | 19:15 |
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| moo-_- | if there is an app which has really gone haywire | 19:15 |
| moo-_- | it does not reveal all problems, but at least you see the obvious ones | 19:15 |
| * sp3000 rather prefers htop | 19:16 | |
| * moo-_- apt-get install htop - didn't know it was available | 19:17 | |
| moo-_- | powertop is for more advanced problems and more advanced users | 19:17 |
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| moo-_- | there is nothing powertop cannot resolve | 19:18 |
| moo-_- | so | 19:18 |
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| moo-_- | somebody should just write a tutorial how to use CPU applet + htop + powertop | 19:18 |
| moo-_- | problem solved | 19:18 |
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| woglinde | jo | 19:19 |
| ssvb | moo-_-, even an application which has ~0% cpu load can prevent cpu from sleeping properly, top/htop is not particularly helpful for finding these | 19:19 |
| moo-_- | ssvb: powertop | 19:20 |
| bigbrovar | what is the longest batt life anyone as ever gotten from the N900 when on wireless | 19:20 |
| ssvb | moo-_-, right | 19:20 |
| moo-_- | as long as energy goes to main CPU it should be able to detect it | 19:21 |
| moo-_- | I am not sure whether baseband can suck power indepdendently | 19:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wonders where his powertop went to. or where to get it | 19:21 | |
| bigbrovar | moo-_-: I have heard some people having issues with batt life on the N900 i dont know if its hardware or software related. but mine can only seem to last 11 hours tops | 19:22 |
| woglinde | bigbrovar uh | 19:22 |
| bigbrovar | moo-_-: and i hear people claiming to get 24 hours from their device for me that has never happened.. even if am only listening to music... the best i get is 12 hours | 19:23 |
| woglinde | bigbrovar in offline mode too= | 19:23 |
| woglinde | ? | 19:23 |
| moo-_- | bigbrovar: idle device can go two days easily | 19:23 |
| bigbrovar | woglinde: I havent tried the phone offline. But I could always do that | 19:23 |
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| moo-_- | bigbrovar: listening to music doesn't have battery life beyond 6-8 hours on any device I know | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | listening music is kinda power hog | 19:24 |
| bigbrovar | woglinde: moo-_-: I have 3g turned off and am on gsm mode.. | 19:24 |
| villager | listening to music is always a big battery hog | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cpu active all the time to decode and stream (well basically) | 19:25 |
| moo-_- | bigbrovar: try here http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/53516 | 19:25 |
| bigbrovar | moo-_-: ok am charging it now, once its full. i would switch to offline mode and just put the music player on via the headphone and see how long it lasts | 19:25 |
| zerojay | mmkay... my N900 was charging all night... and still charged, died... even though there was nearly no CPU use and no programs hogging up anything. Awesome. | 19:25 |
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| moo-_- | bigbrovar: in any case it is not N900 problem | 19:25 |
| moo-_- | get ipod | 19:25 |
| moo-_- | try play music | 19:26 |
| moo-_- | see how many hours you get | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bigbrovar: why not use it online without music? | 19:26 |
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| bigbrovar | moo-_-: its worse if i use it online.. 3g and i get just 8 hours.. wireless is 11 hours even without music | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | zerojay: did it *signal* charging? | 19:26 |
| zerojay | DocScrutinizer51: I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer. | 19:27 |
| moo-_- | bigbrovar: 11 hours surfing? | 19:27 |
| bigbrovar | I have an e72 and the N900 so i can easily compare.. the e72 can go for 24 hours under the same usage as the N900. | 19:27 |
| moo-_- | N900 has bigger screen | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | zerojay: you're welcome, dude | 19:27 |
| moo-_- | if you use it actively it cannot last as long | 19:27 |
| bigbrovar | moo-_-: not surfing but just connected to wifi, sometimes chating, and checking emails | 19:28 |
| moo-_- | that's the law of the physics | 19:28 |
| moo-_- | bigbrovar: just leave it on the table, don't touch it, and you get 2 days | 19:28 |
| zerojay | DocScrutinizer51: It's kind of a stupid question to ask, that's all. | 19:28 |
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| moo-_- | bigbrovar: I think your usage patters just consume the battery | 19:28 |
| bigbrovar | moo-_-: I know am just saying that people say they get 24 hours on the N900 and i have never been close to that on mine | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aha | 19:28 |
| moo-_- | bigbrovar: people are subjective | 19:28 |
| moo-_- | people are also ignorant | 19:28 |
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| moo-_- | and in many case simply not very bright minded | 19:29 |
| ShadowJK | I get about 16 hours, but that's with xchat and about 30 irc channels | 19:29 |
| moo-_- | if you want have something then have real data | 19:29 |
| moo-_- | use powertop | 19:29 |
| moo-_- | record power usage | 19:29 |
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| bigbrovar | moo-_-: ok .. I will leave it connected to wifi and switch to the e72.. would live it in offline mode and no listen to music.. | 19:29 |
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| ShadowJK | My operator doesn't firewall gprs/3g, and sometimes I get the IP of someone who used edonkey.. then random people from all over the world send random UDP packets to my IP, keeping the modem awake.. :( | 19:30 |
| woglinde | hm firefox mobile is out | 19:30 |
| mtnbkr | anyone know if htere an an app or addin/plugin to the default media player to scrobble to last.fm or other? | 19:30 |
| * mtnbkr can't believe he just said "scrobble" sigh | 19:30 | |
| villager | bigbrovar: you're not connecting it to skype or anything? | 19:30 |
| moo-_- | bigbrovar: when you can come back with something like "I surfed with screen max brightness using WLAN 4.12 hours on N900 but 5.68 hours on E72" we can simply say that "N900 has bigger screen and about the same size of battery, what did you expect?" | 19:31 |
| bigbrovar | villager: well skype is always connected | 19:31 |
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| moo-_- | but doing guesswork is just poinstless | 19:31 |
| mtnbkr | bigbrovar: I can get no where near 24 hours on my n900... not even close... :( | 19:31 |
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| villager | bigbrovar: well, then that could be another battery drain | 19:32 |
| woglinde | lol | 19:32 |
| woglinde | always to skype | 19:32 |
| woglinde | no wonder wlan cannt go to sleep | 19:32 |
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| bigbrovar | moo-_-: if you have been following me, I was trying to compare normal usage. people asked me to define normal usage and that is hard to define.. but I then said i have same usage on my e72 and get 24 hours + batt.. but the n900 only goes 11 hours tops.. | 19:33 |
| villager | is your e72 connected to skype? | 19:33 |
| bigbrovar | moo-_-: am aware its like comparing apples to oranges but I wanted to draw a base line.. I was talking to a friend yesterday and he said he gets over 24 hours, connected to 3g, listening to music, checking mails and occassional surfing the web | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | E72 doesn't have skype | 19:34 |
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| bigbrovar | moo-_-: mine would die in 11 hours | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | Skype on N900 does the full p2p thing, so that should consume huge amounts on 3g :) | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | skype - uerrrks | 19:35 |
| bigbrovar | ShadowJK: nope it doesnt but i always have like 9 apps running in the back ground at a any one time, nokia mail, gravity, mobbler,musicplayer,tasmmanager,and skypelight | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | Those don't use the network as much as skype | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | in terms of wakeups | 19:36 |
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| ShadowJK | nokia mail is probably set to only check every 5-15 minutes or something, skype light doesn't have the fancy stuff | 19:37 |
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| * RST38h installed Firefox Mobile final | 19:38 | |
| * RST38h does not understand how Firefox developers can claim that it works for them =( | 19:38 | |
| ShadowJK | it would probably last a bit longer on edge, which doesn't hate wakeups as much as 3g does | 19:38 |
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| derf | Maybe they didn't try using it to visit web pages. | 19:39 |
| bigbrovar | ok I was using the N900 and thinking 11 hours batt life was normal till i read this revew.. and this part caught my attention | 19:39 |
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| bigbrovar | I don’t use the device heavily for phone calls but I am always using 3G data for email and other things, playing music and even using the FM transmitter. Despite all this I get well over 24 hours out of one charge. 36 hours is not uncommon. | 19:39 |
| bigbrovar | source http://danlynch.org/blog/2010/01/n900-review/ | 19:39 |
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| zerojay | ShadowJK: Skype on N900 does NOT do the full p2p thing. | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | I think a call will use about as much power as leaving "ping google.com" running in a terminal :) | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | zerojay, oh? | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | man, someone needs to come up with a nettop that can count wakeups and attribute them to specific processes :) | 19:40 |
| bigbrovar | I mean I have owned this device now for close to 3 months now and I have NEVER gotten close to 24 hrs using the device less that what the reviewer does with his device.. the most I have gotten is 11 hours | 19:40 |
| derf | But seriously, RST38h I haven't actually tried it. What's so awful about it? | 19:41 |
| RST38h | derf: stalls all the time | 19:41 |
| bigbrovar | anyway i would put the device of offline mode and see how long it lasts | 19:41 |
| ShadowJK | does it use some sqlite database? | 19:41 |
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| RST38h | stalls when starting, stalls when closing down, stalls when loading page, stalls when scrolling through the page, stalls when typing , stalls when you try to switch away from it | 19:42 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 19:42 |
| ShadowJK | this sounds exactly like fennec a year ago? | 19:42 |
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| derf | RST38h: If you go to about:config, what's browser.cache.disk.enable set to? | 19:42 |
| RST38h | well, it is a little bit faster, but just a little bit, sometimes | 19:42 |
| RST38h | derf: a moment | 19:43 |
| Alterego | shame there's no keyboard control in the dash board. | 19:43 |
| * ShadowJK has it enabled in microb | 19:43 | |
| dnaumov | bigbrovar: simple tip, recalibrate the battery | 19:44 |
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| RST38h | derf: false | 19:44 |
| dnaumov | bigbrovar: ie. let it run down to 0, as in shut itself off (not until it just starts beeping), then charge to full | 19:44 |
| bigbrovar | dnaumov: thanks but how do i do that :) | 19:44 |
| villager | I used to be able to get something like 24h out of the n900, but after setting up stuff like skype and sip, it doesn't look like I can anymore... but since there's power where I spend most of my days, it doesn't bother me much | 19:44 |
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| bigbrovar | dnaumov: ok thanks would try that. :) | 19:45 |
| derf | ShadowJK: It may be enabled in microb, but if browser.cache.disk.parent_directory points to a non-existent directory (which it does by default), it's still effectively disabled. | 19:45 |
| dnaumov | I took my N900 out of the charger in the morning and been using it all day, including 3 hours of data usage on a TRAIN (which is hell for mobile devices with constant cell switching), it's at 60% now | 19:46 |
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| dnaumov | and now is 19.46 | 19:46 |
| Alterego | heh, recalibrate your battery.. | 19:46 |
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| Alterego | lion's don't like being discharged fully. | 19:46 |
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| derf | RST38h: Well, no idea then. That fully exhausts my knowledge of Fennec. | 19:48 |
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| ShadowJK | Alterego, it shuts off before 3.2V anywy | 19:48 |
| bigbrovar | dnaumov: seriously mine doesnt even get that close. | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Alterego: that's why the system shuts down before bat is really empty | 19:49 |
| bigbrovar | dnaumov: i had to disable 3g all together to get a better batt life | 19:49 |
| timeless_mbp | can someone help me? | 19:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm trying to find a web site :) | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Alterego: actually storing LiIon without charge (or keep on full charge) is much worse than discharging it | 19:50 |
| RST38h | And if you strike it with a nail, that would be much much much worse | 19:51 |
| * ShadowJK probably wouldn't run n900 until it shuts off by itself anyway | 19:51 | |
| kpel | timeless: sure, which site? | 19:51 |
| RST38h | (and way more impressive than just storing it uncharged) | 19:51 |
| villager | timeless_mbp: I have a site: www.youtube.com | 19:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | villager: i need to find a specific site | 19:51 |
| * timeless_mbp takes kpel up on his offer | 19:52 | |
| villager | timeless_mbp: well why don't you say it | 19:52 |
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| villager | maybe I've seen it, or someone else here has | 19:53 |
| timeless_mbp | villager: yeah, if kpel can't find it, i'll ask for someone else to help | 19:54 |
| villager | so it's kind of a secret site? allright | 19:54 |
| kpel | you need to know the secret handshake | 19:56 |
| timeless_mbp | nah, just too embarrassing | 19:56 |
| timeless_mbp | sometimes it's much better for only one person to see me make a mistake :) | 19:57 |
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| lcuk | timeless, life. | 19:57 |
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| * RST38h moos at lcuk slightly | 20:00 | |
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| * lcuk wonders if RST38h is ill | 20:01 | |
| lcuk | you have never mood so quietly | 20:01 |
| viggi | Is it possible to connect to the internet via USB so that I could use the app manager, browser etc? | 20:01 |
| viggi | on the n900* | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | dummy connection and usbnet | 20:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: not ill pacified | 20:02 |
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| slonopotamus | firefox mobile == fennec? | 20:03 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, bah im just completely worn out | 20:03 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, yes afaik | 20:03 |
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| RST38h | slono: yes | 20:03 |
| viggi | I guess i'll google around a bit then | 20:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: same here | 20:04 |
| lcuk | RST38h, what have you been workin on? | 20:05 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: money. | 20:06 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: haven't done a thing on my own projects (maemo-related or otherwise) in weeks | 20:07 |
| lcuk | i know the feeling, ive been too tired to do anything substantial | 20:08 |
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| Aquarina | hi, does maemo have support for ext3? | 20:13 |
| luke-jr | yes | 20:13 |
| luke-jr | but it's not a good idea | 20:14 |
| luke-jr | ext3 is designed for magnetic disks, which I don't think can be connected to NITs :) | 20:14 |
| Aquarina | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /media/mer failed | 20:14 |
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| luke-jr | Aquarina: you probably need to insmod stuff | 20:15 |
| luke-jr | or modprobe if M5 actually supports that | 20:15 |
| Aquarina | I installed mer on a second partition on internal... | 20:15 |
| Aquarina | ah ok | 20:15 |
| Aquarina | insmod ext2? | 20:15 |
| luke-jr | insmod requires a full path | 20:16 |
| luke-jr | but seriously, yeah, use ext2 :) | 20:16 |
| luke-jr | ext2 is better than ext3 on a SD card | 20:16 |
| Aquarina | hum... | 20:16 |
| Aquarina | where are the modles? | 20:16 |
| Aquarina | /lib/modules? | 20:17 |
| luke-jr | I think | 20:17 |
| sp3000 | mooodules. | 20:17 |
| luke-jr | before my initfs got screwed up, I had Gentoo make the files needed for modprobe <.< | 20:18 |
| Aquarina | /lib/dsp/modules? | 20:18 |
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| luke-jr | Aquarina: /lib/modules | 20:20 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 20:20 |
| Aquarina | no | 20:20 |
| Aquarina | they're not there | 20:20 |
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| luke-jr | should be | 20:20 |
| ShadowJK | on N8x0 /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ | 20:21 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: even on N8x0, /lib/modules has symlinks | 20:21 |
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| Aquarina | hum... ok | 20:22 |
| ShadowJK | oh it's there too | 20:22 |
| Aquarina | insmod: cannot insert 'ext2.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory | 20:23 |
| Aquarina | :-( | 20:23 |
| luke-jr | Aquarina: insmod also doesn't resolve dependencies :) | 20:23 |
| luke-jr | I think ext2's sole dep is 'mbcache' | 20:23 |
| Aquarina | ah ok | 20:23 |
| Aquarina | ! | 20:23 |
| Aquarina | try that... | 20:23 |
| Aquarina | modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep X-( | 20:24 |
| luke-jr | insmod | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | use insmod then | 20:24 |
| luke-jr | or if you by some miracle have it, depmod -a :) | 20:24 |
| Aquarina | :-) | 20:25 |
| Aquarina | mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 mer/ -t ext2 | 20:25 |
| Aquarina | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on mer/ failed | 20:25 |
| Aquarina | :-( | 20:25 |
| Aquarina | ;-P | 20:25 |
| Aquarina | ah! | 20:26 |
| Aquarina | w8 | 20:26 |
| Aquarina | p3 | 20:26 |
| Aquarina | :-) | 20:26 |
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| Aquarina | ok, mounted mer | 20:27 |
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| luke-jr | :) | 20:27 |
| Aquarina | now... how do I disable automatic login on maemo? It must be the same in mer... | 20:27 |
| Aquarina | luke-jr, tks | 20:27 |
| luke-jr | Maemo supports multi-user? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 20:28 |
| petey2 | erm ... Does the facebook widget mobile upload not work? It says processing but nothing appears on facebook. Neither videos or pics... | 20:28 |
| Aquarina | I tryed to usermod user | 20:29 |
| Aquarina | change it's name | 20:30 |
| Aquarina | and maemo wouldn't start | 20:30 |
| Aquarina | reboot loop | 20:30 |
| Aquarina | :-( | 20:30 |
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| Aquarina | I'd like to try to save my maemo install | 20:31 |
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| Aquarina | I ruined it by installing gdm | 20:32 |
| Aquarina | :-( | 20:32 |
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| Aquarina | can I chrout inside maemo?... let's try... | 20:33 |
| luke-jr | yes | 20:33 |
| petey2 | is it possible to save what apps one has so that things are reinstalled after a flash? | 20:33 |
| lcuk | petey2, use the backup tool | 20:33 |
| lcuk | it backs up repositories and list of installed apps | 20:33 |
| lcuk | as well as data from those apps | 20:34 |
| lcuk | much more sensible | 20:34 |
| petey2 | lcuk nice 1 ! is it preinstalled? | 20:34 |
| Aquarina | :-) | 20:34 |
| lcuk | of course | 20:34 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: unless the repository has removed the apps <.< | 20:34 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, maemo.org extras respoitory is stable and the contents will outlast you | 20:35 |
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| lcuk | and of course, if you are installing apps from unstable temporary repository thats your tough shit | 20:35 |
| petey2 | This phone is pure awesomeness. Its like eating a pizza when you've been starving for 2 days. Its fantastic. I love it. | 20:35 |
| Aquarina | hehe | 20:36 |
| Aquarina | I think I managed to uninstall gdm | 20:36 |
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| Aquarina | now... what do I need to install on maemo to have the boot menu back? | 20:36 |
| petey2 | where is the backup stored and does the backup remain on the device after a flash? | 20:36 |
| Aquarina | to be able to boot mer | 20:36 |
| Aquarina | ? | 20:36 |
| lcuk | petey2, the backup is stored on the MyDocs EMMC partition which persists a normal reflash | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | if you manually download and reflash the eMMC it will be vaped | 20:37 |
| lcuk | but thats not the normal routine | 20:37 |
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| Aquarina | Stskeeps, why do you say it's not a multiuer capable system? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | maemo isn't, it's designed as a single user one | 20:38 |
| Aquarina | ok, but... | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | Aquarina: for example, the name 'user' is hardcoded in various places | 20:39 |
| Aquarina | that's what i discovered when I changed it to my normal username | 20:39 |
| Aquarina | :-( | 20:39 |
| Aquarina | hehe | 20:39 |
| Aquarina | what about mer? | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | it is designed to be one but we might revert for compatibility's sake | 20:39 |
| Aquarina | will I be able to user mer with multiple users? | 20:39 |
| Aquarina | I'd realy would like it to be more multiuser | 20:40 |
| Aquarina | :-) | 20:40 |
| * Wizzup wonders if firefox is in the repos now | 20:40 | |
| Aquarina | well... back from dreams 4 a moment... | 20:41 |
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| Aquarina | how do I clone maemo to an sd card so I can play with it? | 20:41 |
| Aquarina | I'd like to be able to install mer from that second maemo install | 20:42 |
| Aquarina | so the first one could be as default and simple as possible | 20:42 |
| lcuk | Aquarina, the mer installation instructions get it onto your device | 20:42 |
| lcuk | not sure how to clone maemo itself yet | 20:43 |
| lcuk | if no1 has yet, it would be an interesting thing to dig into and document | 20:43 |
| Aquarina | lcuk, I know... but I would have to install a bunch of other stuff on maemo just to put mer on the divice | 20:43 |
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| Aquarina | I'd rather do it from another test environment | 20:43 |
| lcuk | i thought the footprint required to do dualboot was eextremely minimal and non invasive | 20:45 |
| lcuk | theres even a low level entry point on normal maemo bootup | 20:45 |
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| Aquarina | hum... | 20:46 |
| Aquarina | ok | 20:46 |
| Aquarina | another thing: how do I get xhost on the device? | 20:46 |
| Aquarina | what .deb is it in? | 20:46 |
| Aquarina | I can't seem to find it!!! | 20:47 |
| lcuk | whats xhost | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | and what package is it included in for other platforms | 20:47 |
| Aquarina | to allow me to X forward | 20:47 |
| Aquarina | it's on xauth, I think!.. | 20:47 |
| Aquarina | lemme check | 20:47 |
| lcuk | xforwarding? i thought that was normal | 20:48 |
| lcuk | and built in? | 20:48 |
| lcuk | im sure ive seen that done | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | or am i mixing my metaphors | 20:48 |
| Aquarina | x11-xserver-utils: /usr/bin/xhost | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | how would I possibly view the call history during a call? | 20:49 |
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| Aquarina | brb | 20:53 |
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| TomaszD | evening | 21:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | ._. | 21:20 |
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| plastun | 'Mnemosyne for Maemo' is available from Diablo-extras repository! | 21:20 |
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| chx | hi. do we have rumours of what to expect at Mobile World Congress 2010 ? Nothing ? Small upgrade to N900? Announcement of the "next step", the mainstream phone? | 21:37 |
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| chx | also do we know how joikuspot works on the N900 given https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6097 ? | 21:37 |
| povbot | Bug 6097: add support for master mode | 21:37 |
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| ioeee | hi | 21:54 |
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| petur | good evening... my brand new n900 is driving me up the walls with a sound notification twice every hour (:25 and :55), the sound being that of an empty battery (3 descending tones). Battery is full and it even does this while on the charger. No alarms programmed. Any ideas? | 21:58 |
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| eean | petur: no other notifications/ | 21:59 |
| eean | eg email | 21:59 |
| petur | no | 21:59 |
| petur | and it is very regular, every :25 and :55 | 21:59 |
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| Zoup | guess its top question of FAQ, but any idea how can i upgrade my flash player on n900 to version 10? | 22:01 |
| slonopotamus | Zoup, no wai | 22:01 |
| Zoup | slonopotamus: and it will never be possible in future? | 22:01 |
| slonopotamus | Zoup, i'd bet no. | 22:02 |
| Zoup | slonopotamus: thanks pal, flash performance sucks on my n900, its like 1 frame per second :)) | 22:02 |
| slonopotamus | Zoup, it plays youtube. why else you need flash? | 22:03 |
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| Zoup | slonopotamus: other website, sport websites for example, they do have 3-4 flash file per page and it seems that flash block is not working as well :( | 22:04 |
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| Nitial | adobe has already demoed flash 10.1 on n900 | 22:04 |
| Nitial | some months ago | 22:04 |
| Zoup | Nitial: hum, so there wil be a chance for that? | 22:05 |
| Nitial | I would say so | 22:05 |
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| Zoup | anyone get flashblock working on n900? | 22:05 |
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| * petur reboots his n900 to see if that stops the damn notifications | 22:07 | |
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| slonopotamus | macromedia/adobe has totally uncomprehencible policy of keeping flash closed, leading to bad coverage of devices. | 22:08 |
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| [Tycho] | Go, Silverlight :) | 22:09 |
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| slonopotamus | [Tycho], ... | 22:09 |
| slonopotamus | [Tycho], ms policy is the same. | 22:10 |
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| doc|home | haha | 22:12 |
| doc|home | slonopotamus: not entirely incomprehensible. They make money selling a flash creation tool. | 22:12 |
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| slonopotamus | doc|home, so why they don't want player to be on as many platforms as possible? | 22:13 |
| doc|home | slonopotamus: because if they explained how the format worked fully it would be easier to create a creation tool | 22:13 |
| Alterego | I'm reading the tmo thread about no m6 support for N900 and lack of enhancements & fixes for fremantle. Pretty funny. | 22:14 |
| Alterego | I should just ask them to donate their devices to me .... | 22:14 |
| Ken-Young | Alterego, What's m6 ? | 22:14 |
| Ken-Young | Maemo 6? | 22:14 |
| Alterego | yeah | 22:15 |
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| Ken-Young | It is difficult to understand Nokia's strategy. | 22:15 |
| Alterego | Strategy? | 22:16 |
| doc|home | they have one? | 22:16 |
| w00t | <groan> | 22:16 |
| Alterego | I'm positive all major bugs and a few enhancements will all be available to N900 users. I can't understand why people think they should get more than that... | 22:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alterego, because that's where the competition is now. | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alterego, g1 iPhones are still supported by the latest iPhone OS release. | 22:20 |
| Alterego | Anyway, I keep getting this inkling that part of the development plan is to put m6 alpha images on developers N900's | 22:20 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: did you read Stskeeps' replies on there? | 22:20 |
| slonopotamus | so | 22:20 |
| Alterego | Erm, G1 isn't | 22:20 |
| slonopotamus | my skype can't connect for a day now. is it normal? | 22:21 |
| Alterego | iPhone is somewhat limited really. | 22:21 |
| Zoup | hey guys, how can i restart browser?! do i have to restart device? | 22:21 |
| slonopotamus | on n900 | 22:21 |
| Alterego | Heh | 22:21 |
| mtnbkr | Alterego: and full of DRM badness and iTunes/Apple lock-in | 22:21 |
| w00t | Zoup: erm.. I don't understand | 22:21 |
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| Zoup | w00t: i have installed some addone on microb, it asking for restart, ill click on restart and nothing happens | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, yes. | 22:22 |
| w00t | I think microb is bad with addons, frankly. but I haven't had time to research that.. | 22:22 |
| Ken-Young | Just think of how much more successful the iPhone would be if each model's owners were separated into their onw little OS ghetto. | 22:22 |
| w00t | I've had all sorts of funky problems trying to get them to work.. | 22:22 |
| mtnbkr | I can not for the life of me understand wy Apple won't just plot the ogg-vorbis libraries on their ipds and iPhones | 22:22 |
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| mtnbkr | s/plot/plop | 22:23 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: really: I don't think it's worth worrying more about until an official position is made public | 22:23 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: worries have been made very vocal and clear, I think :P | 22:23 |
| Ken-Young | s/onw/own/ | 22:23 |
| infobot | Ken-Young meant: Just think of how much more successful the iPhone would be if each model's owners were separated into their own little OS ghetto. | 22:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | w00t, the official position _I_ heard was that it wasn't coming due to capacitive BS. | 22:24 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: I've heard _rumours_ of that, too, but I've never seen it on paper in front of me, and really, until I see that, I'll continue to disbelieve it | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, I was sitting in the room. :) | 22:25 |
| w00t | because it doesn't make sense, frankly | 22:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | w00t, I agree, which I why I regret boing the jerk off the stage. | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | _not_ | 22:26 |
| w00t | so either it was a mistake, or they were pitching BS as a ploy to see what the reaction would be towards not having m6 compatibility | 22:26 |
| w00t | but if that is really the case, then well, there's going to be upset people, yeah - and I think they realise that now | 22:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles did do some quiet snorting. | 22:27 | |
| w00t | I'd have been rather more vocal than that, yeah :P | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, well, the talk was in Spanish, hard to object in English 5 seconds after it was said. ;) | 22:28 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: nah, just throw things at them and scream "you iPhone loving bastard" | 22:28 |
| w00t | I'm sure he'll get the point | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, hehe. | 22:28 |
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| w00t | when was the m6 device (tentatively) announced for anyway? 2010? | 22:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 2h2010 | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, Christmas. | 22:29 |
| w00t | joy, I get another christmas of financial disaster to look forward to | 22:29 |
| w00t | *g* | 22:29 |
| Alterego | heh | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, bump your karma and whore for a proto or a discount. | 22:29 |
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| w00t | I don't whore. I do need to be rather more active than I am, though | 22:29 |
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| w00t | I have plans on that front that I am working towards, thankfully | 22:30 |
| w00t | today was going to be some more work towards that, but alas, I'm so hungover from yesterday that I am frankly nonfunctional for anything except idle chatter | 22:30 |
| * w00t swears to never ever drink again | 22:31 | |
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| mece | W00t, never say never :) | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehehe | 22:31 |
| RevdKathy | You need to add a 'till tomorrow' to that statement, w00t | 22:31 |
| w00t | RevdKathy: yeah, I know it'll happen | 22:31 |
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| w00t | this is just what I say after every bad episode | 22:31 |
| w00t | and bad it has been | 22:31 |
| w00t | 4 hours of sleep, plus a 2 hour nap at 5pm this afternoon | 22:32 |
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| RevdKathy | oh dear - all night bender? | 22:32 |
| w00t | nah.. I just drank far too much redbull with the vodka | 22:32 |
| w00t | big big big mistake | 22:32 |
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| RevdKathy | ouchies! one to put yo to sleep, and one to keep ou awake. The mix screws up the system | 22:32 |
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| w00t | yeah. | 22:33 |
| w00t | hi btw, how's sheep going ;) | 22:33 |
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| RevdKathy | red bull = breakfast, vodka = supper | 22:33 |
| RevdKathy | Sheep are BRILLIANT! | 22:33 |
| mece | hey, if i create a directory called .bleh/ in MyDocs, will the tracker index that, or will it be "hidden" from it? | 22:33 |
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| RevdKathy | now in extras-devel | 22:33 |
| sheepbat | yes, we are | 22:33 |
| * w00t blinks | 22:33 | |
| w00t | that was unexpected :P | 22:33 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 22:33 |
| sheepbat | baa | 22:33 |
| mece | RevdKathy, cool! | 22:33 |
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| mece | baa indeed. | 22:34 |
| RevdKathy | Baaa back, shhepbat | 22:34 |
| RevdKathy | seriously, it's a really nice game | 22:34 |
| RevdKathy | Hopebeat has done a bang up dob | 22:34 |
| RevdKathy | job | 22:34 |
| RevdKathy | blast - ginger wine has gone straight to my finger tips! | 22:34 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Launch MWKN issue is shaping up for Monday, BTW :-) | 22:35 |
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| RevdKathy | that's good news, Jaffa. I'm looking forward to that | 22:36 |
| RevdKathy | can we get a shout in it for the Sheep project | 22:36 |
| RevdKathy | pretty please | 22:36 |
| Jaffa | RevdKathy: Sure, URL? | 22:36 |
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| RevdKathy | the whole thread is here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36198 | 22:37 |
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| RevdKathy | todays important news about it being in extras-devel is here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36198&page=14 | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | RevdKathy: That doesn't say where to get it, or have a screenshot :-/ | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | RevdKathy: Ah, perfect. | 22:37 |
| RevdKathy | it really is an exemplar of the community at work collaboratively | 22:37 |
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| RevdKathy | about three artists, a dev, a sheep-impressionist, a bunch of ideas, encouragers and a demented teddy bear make a powerful team! | 22:38 |
| Jaffa | RevdKathy: Thank's for the quote :) | 22:39 |
| RevdKathy | LOL! | 22:39 |
| Jaffa | s/'s// | 22:39 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: RevdKathy: Thank for the quote :) | 22:39 |
| woglinde | lol | 22:39 |
| RevdKathy | I gotcha. My fingers are very 'Saturday night' tonight, Jaffa. The ginger wine went right to my typing | 22:39 |
| Hoxzer | is there a way to add more on screen buttons to x terminal? | 22:39 |
| * Jaffa needs to wait for mgedmin's IRC log to update | 22:40 | |
| mgedmin | cron job every 5 minutes | 22:40 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Ta | 22:40 |
| mat0ng | hi everybody, i'm trying to use the function hildon_gtk_hscale_new() in python, but it seems as if it's not available.. http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-Additions-to-GTK+.html#hildon-gtk-hscale-new | 22:40 |
| mgedmin | or strip the '.html' suffix from URL and see the raw log in realtime | 22:40 |
| mat0ng | has anybody used it? | 22:40 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 22:41 |
| Khertan | If i want to sell an app on ovi store | 22:41 |
| RevdKathy | Hi back, Hhertan | 22:41 |
| Jaffa | RevdKathy: Submitted it into the MWKN content (i.e. Twitter) feed - it'll show up at http://twitter.com/mwkn and then that gets fleshed out into the issue tomorrow night. | 22:42 |
| RevdKathy | Khertan | 22:42 |
| Khertan | is there any documentation information somewhere ? | 22:42 |
| RevdKathy | thanks Jaffa. I want the team to get as much credit as possible - they've been brilliant | 22:42 |
| mece | Khertan, start here: https://publish.ovi.com/info/ I suppose | 22:43 |
| Khertan | oh thx | 22:43 |
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| Cabletwitch | Aha, there we go. | 22:44 |
| Cabletwitch | Alright peeps, hows it going? | 22:44 |
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| Khertan | 50$ entry right | 22:45 |
| Khertan | beurk | 22:45 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone know if there's an API for retrieving user access from maemo.org username, apart from screenscraping? | 22:47 |
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| Tonzas | :) | 22:51 |
| Claviceps | sportsdrink of the NFL | 22:51 |
| Claviceps | sportsdrink of the UFC | 22:51 |
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| Claviceps | sportsdrink of the NBA | 22:51 |
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| Claviceps | POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID | 22:52 |
| Claviceps | POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID - POWERAID | 22:52 |
| RevdKathy | We can Haz a spammer | 22:52 |
| thresh | what an ass hole | 22:52 |
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| andre__ | heh. | 22:52 |
| Ken-Young | But, but, but - I came here to hear about Sportsdrinks! | 22:52 |
| Cabletwitch | Why do people even try doing that anymore? | 22:53 |
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| mece | Khertan, have you got a minute extra? I have some questions regarding packaging py, and I understand you have some skills :) | 22:57 |
| TomaszD | Cabletwitch, I've no idea but I suddenly got the urge to drink a poweraid, whatever that is | 22:57 |
| mece | LOL | 22:57 |
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| Cabletwitch | Heh, theres always one who falls for it, I guess. | 22:58 |
| TomaszD | these ads get more and more sophisticated man, that one was almost like NLP | 22:59 |
| Cabletwitch | So yes, I thought I'd come and see what the IRC channel was about. New user here, N900. Never used any linux based system to date. | 23:00 |
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| TomaszD | Cabletwitch, so, how do you like it so far? | 23:03 |
| Cabletwitch | Well, it all works with considerably less buggering about than I expected. | 23:03 |
| doc|home | that's not even how you spell powerade | 23:04 |
| TomaszD | ahh, I knew I heard the name somewhere! | 23:04 |
| Cabletwitch | My experience of linux in the past has been largely watching others screwing about in command lines, and the brown mess that is ubuntu. | 23:04 |
| sp3000 | well it is the misspelled beverages channel | 23:05 |
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| doc|home | Cabletwitch: that's why people value real experience | 23:05 |
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| Cabletwitch | I'm still not the kind of person to run linux as a main system, as I'm primarily a gamer. I got the N900 because its A) Not an iPhone and B) The reviews were very good. | 23:07 |
| mat0ng | my personal favorite comment of people watching you work in a shell: "why are you still working in that crappy DOS system?" :P | 23:07 |
| TomaszD | Cabletwitch, I encourage you not to go to the terminal unless you really know what you're doing. Other than that, have fun. And that brown mess, while considered not cool by the nerds, is actually quite good. | 23:07 |
| Cabletwitch | But, I'm here to learn things, and possibly throw a few ideas about too. | 23:08 |
| Cabletwitch | I dont doubt it. I like the silver-blue mess that is XP though. | 23:08 |
| * Cabletwitch has had the preachers try to 'convert' him a few too m"y times... XD | 23:09 | |
| * RevdKathy promises never to try to conver anyone to anything other than maemo | 23:09 | |
| wolf^ | mat0ng, for extra points do "export PS1='C:\> ' | 23:09 |
| mat0ng | hehe | 23:09 |
| mtnbkr | wolf^: lol | 23:10 |
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| Cabletwitch | Still, I'm here to get to grips with maemo. | 23:11 |
| * mtnbkr has a client who STILL uses DOS workstations connected to a novell server (server is virtual in VMWare ESX of course) but seriously... DOS in 2010... | 23:11 | |
| mat0ng | the accelerometer can measure the angle the device is in right? | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | mat0ng: sort-of. | 23:12 |
| n1c0 | anyone know how to install skype on n900 ? | 23:12 |
| Pavel | n1c0: It comes with Skype. | 23:13 |
| mtnbkr | n1c0: it's BUILT-IN ;) | 23:13 |
| Cabletwitch | Ok, simple question. Is there any way to get the date displayed in the clock area? | 23:13 |
| RevdKathy | skype is preinstalled, just confiugre it n1co | 23:13 |
| n1c0 | i ve not it | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | mat0ng: for a stationary device, neglecting gain and bias issues,they can measure the orientation. For a moving n900 - measuring the orientation more than approximately is hard | 23:13 |
| n1c0 | i buy it with phone abonement | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Cabletwitch: don't think so. | 23:13 |
| inz | PS1="C:\$(pwd|tr '/' '\\\\\')> " | 23:13 |
| Cabletwitch | Its driving me mad, yet I cant find any option to do this. | 23:13 |
| mat0ng | the n900 has a stand you can flip out so you can watch movies etc. what if... you would monitor if it is in the angle you get when you put in on the stand and then after a few seconds to start the media player | 23:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Cabletwitch: there are I think widgets to put it on the desktop | 23:13 |
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| mtnbkr | inz: heh yeah, almost forgot dumb-dows back-slashes. | 23:13 |
| TomaszD | Cabletwitch, no, there is no option for this. There might be a widget, not sure. | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | mat0ng: hmm. | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | mat0ng: not an insane idea. | 23:14 |
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| n1c0 | cool nice integration | 23:14 |
| mat0ng | maybe too much of a battery hog if you write a service for it though | 23:14 |
| n1c0 | im a bit scary a fuccking isp has remove it | 23:15 |
| n1c0 | but no pb :! | 23:15 |
| gomiam | erm... quick oldie question: is it possible to use N800 as a bluetooth audio device for a mobile? | 23:15 |
| Toba | is the GPS on the n900 better than the n810 GPS? | 23:15 |
| gomiam | I'm asking St. Google but I get nowhere :) | 23:16 |
| Toba | I don't want to buy another tablet with "gps" that doesn't work well | 23:16 |
| Cabletwitch | SpeedEvil: Ahh. Ok. its just a pain to have to call the menu associated with that bar to see the date. | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Toba: there are open bugs witht he GPS. | 23:16 |
| Toba | balls | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Toba: but - IME - it works very well. | 23:16 |
| Toba | where do you live | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Toba: and the bugs all are being worked on. | 23:16 |
| Toba | and what's the cold acquire time like? | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Toba: apparantly, in the middle of the atlantic. | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:16 |
| Toba | how does "IME it works very well" jive with that | 23:16 |
| Toba | then | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Toba: It depends - with or without network assist. | 23:17 |
| Cabletwitch | Its A-GPS, isnt it? | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Cabletwitch: yes | 23:17 |
| Toba | the n810 supposedly has agps too | 23:17 |
| Toba | and it works horribly for me | 23:17 |
| Toba | almost never acquires anything | 23:17 |
| Toba | worse than no gps | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Toba: ok - checking - I last used the GPS a couple of days ago. Going to door | 23:17 |
| Toba | thanks for checking :D | 23:17 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 23:17 |
| Toba | hi | 23:18 |
| gomiam | SpeedEvil: at least you don't live mid-South Pacific (R'lyeh anyone? ;) | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Till I get a GPS fix - 8s | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | till it gets within 50m - 10s | 23:19 |
| SpeedEvil | that's about typical. | 23:19 |
| Cabletwitch | The one thing I dont like with the N900 is the battery life when using GSM connections. | 23:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you haven't been using GPS in a while - a day? And you have no internet or GSM connection - it can take a lot longer. | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | That's in process of being fixed. | 23:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 | 23:20 |
| povbot | Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view | 23:20 |
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| Cabletwitch | I do like the wifi in this, it seems so much better at maintaining wifi links than my old E70 | 23:21 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: you mean there's a bugreport | 23:22 |
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| luke-jr | N8x0's GPS problems had bugs, but never got fixed | 23:22 |
| janszoon | So with the option "Share with service" there is a compression going on for photos and videos. Why can't this also be applied to emails? I know I can do it manually but....seems the function is already there for services...? | 23:22 |
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| Cabletwitch | All in all, its a rather lovely OS. | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: well - yes. | 23:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I mean - internal alias - someone not unimportant to the problem seeming to be interested - ... | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: at least some internal links - see location-test-gui | 23:23 |
| Cabletwitch | I wonder... could the screen on the 900 support multi-touch? | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | nope. | 23:24 |
| Cabletwitch | Not that I can think of a use for it, tbh | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - in principle you can swap the screen for one that does. | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | But... | 23:24 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 23:24 | |
| * timeless_mbp needs to rewrite history | 23:24 | |
| range | Careful with that. | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | the screen neitehr supports or does not support multitouch - the digitiser does that - and can be swapped. (at authorised repair centres) | 23:25 |
| Cabletwitch | Nah, I'm happy with this screen. | 23:25 |
| range | timeless_mbp: http://www.abyssandapex.com/200710-wikihistory.html | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | But - there is no replacement part. | 23:25 |
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| hcarrega_ | anyone using pidgin plugin for facebook chat? | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hum, UMTS really sucks battcharge so there's definitely no tomorrow - at least with SIP and IRC (8 chan) | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | locking it on GSM can help | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 23:31 |
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| Cabletwitch | Nokia need to hurry up and make a hi-cap battery :O) | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: eventually will try that. Got the nice GSM/UMTS/DUAL systray selector applet | 23:32 |
| gomiam | hcarrega: I think I have Facebook set up | 23:32 |
| hcarrega | i put the login | 23:33 |
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| hcarrega | passwd | 23:33 |
| hcarrega | and try to sign | 23:33 |
| hcarrega | but nothing | 23:33 |
| gomiam | oh, let me try and start it | 23:33 |
| hcarrega | ok | 23:33 |
| hcarrega | thanks | 23:33 |
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| Cabletwitch | I'd love it if xchat used the auto-capitals present in the OS. | 23:34 |
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| gomiam | ouch, I don't have the Facebook extension installed at this n800 | 23:35 |
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| gomiam | hold on... | 23:35 |
| hcarrega | k | 23:35 |
| b-man|N900 | v/me is mnot soo keen of auto-capitals xD | 23:35 |
| b-man|N900 | ***not | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be nice as an option. | 23:35 |
| * b-man|N900 is still getting use to the kb xD | 23:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | What would be lots cooler would be a corrector | 23:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer still refuses to get used to the crippled German kbd | 23:36 | |
| SpeedEvil | for example - if you see ecsmple - correct it to example. | 23:36 |
| Cabletwitch | Auto-caps at the start of a sentence is nice to have. | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: rasters predictive kbd ;-P | 23:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | that sort of thing | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: though had to learn to cope with leftots and douublettes | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 23:38 |
| Cabletwitch | ecsmple looks like a cli command... | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Cabletwitch: it is :-P | 23:38 |
| Pavel | Hello. I am trying to figure out GnuPG on Maemo 5 (on the N900), could someone who doesn't use gpg please tell me whether their phone has a directory /home/user/.gnupg owned by root? (I am trying to figure out whether it comes like that, or whether I created it by accident.) | 23:39 |
| Cabletwitch | There we go then. | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | prints "sh: ecsmple: not found" | 23:39 |
| * b-man|N900 is gonna have an intresting experience trying to get ubuntu-nxx0 running on the N900 | 23:39 | |
| Caesium | Pavel: yes, mine does, and never used gpg | 23:40 |
| gomiam | hcarrega: I'll be back in a bit ;) | 23:40 |
| Pavel | Caesium: And it's owned by root? | 23:40 |
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| hcarrega | ok | 23:40 |
| Caesium | yes, one file in it, trustdb.gpg | 23:40 |
| Pavel | OK, so it's not something I screwed up. | 23:40 |
| hcarrega | i going out to cinema | 23:40 |
| hcarrega | msg me | 23:40 |
| hcarrega | :) | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | b-man|N900: you're going to learn it the hard way this time | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | b-man|N900: :P | 23:40 |
| hcarrega | thanks | 23:40 |
| Pavel | Caesium: Thank you very much. | 23:40 |
| b-man|N900 | LOL | 23:40 |
| Caesium | no probs | 23:40 |
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| b-man|N900 | Stskeeps: i take that as a challenge :) | 23:41 |
| Pavel | Does anyone know whether there is a reference to the N900 filesystem layout? | 23:41 |
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| * b-man|N900 likes pushing the limit xD | 23:42 | |
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| * Pavel is trying to figure out what it's there for, and why it's not in /root . | 23:42 | |
| * Pavel should probably ask in -devel. | 23:43 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man|N900: also, you don't get to use mer's solution for things until you figure it out yourself ;) | 23:43 |
| * Cabletwitch ponders whether a tv remote app would be worthwhile... | 23:43 | |
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| dnaumov | anyone tried the new firefox mobile 1.0 yet? how does it compare to stock n900 browser? | 23:43 |
| Caesium | Cabletwitch: is the IR strong enough? | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Cabletwitch: irreco | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | dnaumov: it crashes too much. | 23:43 |
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| johnsq | SpeedEvil: no ir | 23:43 |
| Cabletwitch | No idea. | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | dnaumov: and uses too much RAM as yet | 23:44 |
| Cabletwitch | The N900 does have IR, I belive? | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | johns: irreco is the app in the repo to do IR control | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | If I remember the name right | 23:44 |
| johnsq | SpeedEvil: the last time i checked did't send ir with the n810 | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: correct | 23:45 |
| johnsq | I have build a IR adapter for the Headphones. | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | max distance is somewhat... limited though | 23:46 |
| gomiam | hcarrega: Ok, Facebook plugin installed, setting it up | 23:46 |
| hcarrega | k | 23:46 |
| hcarrega | im here | 23:46 |
| hcarrega | :P | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | johnsq: N810 has no IR though | 23:46 |
| Cabletwitch | I forget, does the 900 have that A2whateveritis for bluetooth audio? | 23:46 |
| TomaszD | A2DP | 23:46 |
| johnsq | DocScrutinizer: yes, but i have build a IR adapter for the headphone jack | 23:47 |
| TomaszD | it's just a bluetooth profile, yes, it does have it. | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 23:47 |
| johnsq | DocScrutinizer: the application with nice gui was missing. | 23:47 |
| Cabletwitch | I thought it had to have hardware support, no? | 23:47 |
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| cehteh | is there a tv-b-gone app for the n900 available finally? | 23:47 |
| mtnbkr | http://gizmodo.com/5460348/firefox-mobile-10-burrows-onto-nokia-n900s | 23:47 |
| hcarrega | gomiam: im checking the talk.maemo to | 23:48 |
| RST38h | mtnbkr: have you tried using it? | 23:48 |
| TomaszD | Cabletwitch, not really, you just need Bluetooth 1.2+ compliant hardware (radio) | 23:48 |
| nedko | can i access music on my file server (smb) without UPnP? | 23:48 |
| cehteh | fennec on n810 .. i wonder how that performs | 23:48 |
| mtnbkr | RST38h: no, but I think I saw your complaints about it a little while ago. | 23:48 |
| gomiam | hcarrega: ok :) | 23:48 |
| RST38h | mtnbkr: Ah, then by all means do :) | 23:48 |
| Cabletwitch | TomaszD: ahh, righto. | 23:48 |
| mtnbkr | A buddy (who is JEALOUS of my N900) just sent me that link :) | 23:48 |
| nedko | can i access music on my file server (smb) without UPnP? (i'm on n900) | 23:48 |
| TomaszD | Cabletwitch, and the radio on the n900 is 2.1, so it supports things like SSP | 23:49 |
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| SonicSpinner | evening | 23:49 |
| mtnbkr | RST38h: what's the fastest way? Is it in extras, OVI store? (have not read article yet) | 23:49 |
| SonicSpinner | hows everyone on this fine n900 nite :;D | 23:49 |
| hcarrega | gomiam: can u login? | 23:49 |
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| * mtnbkr is good! | 23:50 | |
| hcarrega | even i cant install now the facebook app in repo | 23:50 |
| johnsq | mmm docmentation of irreco still miss understanding. | 23:50 |
| hcarrega | lol | 23:50 |
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| SonicSpinner | has i ask for some help? | 23:51 |
| SonicSpinner | can* | 23:51 |
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| gomiam | hcarrega: XD I had forgotten my password, setting it up... | 23:51 |
| hcarrega | lol | 23:51 |
| hcarrega | brb | 23:51 |
| hcarrega | leaving | 23:51 |
| mece | nedko, no samba mounting out of the box. Dunno if there's something in extras-devel | 23:52 |
| Cabletwitch | Right, gonna conserve battery, catch you guys later. | 23:52 |
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| mece | SonicSpinner, what's up? | 23:52 |
| jebba | hey, i'm trying to make a SIP call to a landline via my SIP provider. I'm all logged in ok, and I checked "Use for telephone numbers" in the SIP account. All looks ok there. But when i go to actually make a call I dont see where it allows me to chose to dial with my SIP account instead of calling via GSM. | 23:52 |
| jebba | hints? | 23:52 |
| gomiam | hcarrega: could not retrieve buddy list | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: choose account for it, there's a button? | 23:52 |
| SonicSpinner | mece> my question is regarding to the tracker config. i have posted a thread in multimedia about how to separate "movies !" from mixing it up with my recorded videos. any suggestions? | 23:53 |
| nedko | mece: thanks | 23:53 |
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| SonicSpinner | jebba>> there is a top bar in the dial pad where u can click , then change from GSM to SIP | 23:54 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: no button comes up though. I thought I had seen it a month ago or so (but didn't really use it), but now nothing comes up with it. | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: hmm. sec | 23:54 |
| nedko | mece: i dont know UPnP, if I install UPnP stuff on my file server, will i still need smb access? | 23:54 |
| nedko | mece: in order to play the music there | 23:54 |
| jebba | ah ya, in the dial pad. If I select a contact to call, it doesn't off it though. | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: "Call type" | 23:54 |
| mece | SonicSpinner, unfortunately I've only opened the config gile once, so I'm not exactly an expert. How do you mean separate? | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: it doesn't say "Call with SIP"? | 23:54 |
| mece | nedko, haven't tried it, but you don't need samba for upnp. It just shows up in media player. | 23:55 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: if not, submit a bug | 23:55 |
| gomiam | hcarrega: Can't connect because I can't get the buddy list | 23:55 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: when i bring up dial pad, I can select "Call type" and options are "Celluar" my gmail acct and my SIP account. But not there when doing contacts. | 23:55 |
| nedko | mece: do you know what software i have to use on my server? | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: not when clicking a contact? interesting | 23:55 |
| SonicSpinner | mece> well i have copied 1 season of friends, and 1 season of chaplle show to my n900. i have created a tvshow folder. there are 2 folders in it with each tv show names. so in total 40 avi files. when i go to media player and choose video,. all the tv shows and my own recorded vids comes up in big mess. | 23:55 |
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| mece | hmmhmm.. there was a thread about that... lemme see. | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: since there's 'use for telephone numbers', it not showing up can only be a bug | 23:56 |
| jebba | but i thought i *had* seen it in contacts. I just added it, perhaps a reboot (restart fone app) will re-read it in. | 23:56 |
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| jebba | i'll reboot the thing to see if it comes up. Maybe it doesnt get updated dynamically. | 23:56 |
| SonicSpinner | jebba: > remember also u can add " sip detail " to a contact. then u can place sip calls directly from a contact | 23:56 |
| jebba | SonicSpinner: ya, thx. | 23:57 |
| SonicSpinner | cheers | 23:57 |
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| mece | SonicSpinner, For browsing through media player, you're screwed, since there are no categories for videos, however there's a way you could do it though... | 23:58 |
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| SonicSpinner | mece> yea i figured., there is also Sort video after category. there i get " recorded with device " + Films. | 23:58 |
| SonicSpinner | i wonder where u define those category. or maybe its hardcoded' | 23:58 |
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| mece | SonicSpinner, simply disallow tracker to track the directory with the tv series. that way they wont show up in the media player listing, but you can launch them from file manager. | 23:59 |
| SonicSpinner | mece> do u understand what the .foldername mean? with a dot., if i create a .tvshow folder. | 23:59 |
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