IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-01-29

ptlnew device? already?00:00
ptln900 is barely out00:00
cehtehi900 :)00:00
Matthew-facebook's retarded.00:00
anpri don't think they would bother theyselves to upgrade n90000:00
puslingptl: nah. I wouldn't expect it on this side of summer. probably not before christmas00:00
anprfor maemo 600:00
anprwhy should they ?00:00
anprDocScrutinizer any dates mentioned ?00:01
DocScrutinizerI just had a glance to it00:01
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pwnguinptl: i wouldnt be surprised. they've announced maemo6 in 2010, and there's some hardware things to fix like USB OTG00:02
ptlthere's garmin for n900 already, isn't it?00:02
pwnguinptl: that would be news00:02
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DocScrutinizerNokia has announced plans to release a new version of Ovi00:02
DocScrutinizerMaps for its smartphones that includes free walk and drive00:02
DocScrutinizernavigation worldwide.00:02
lbtjebba: correct - I just verified I could login at this point00:03
anprDocScrutinizer they have already released it :)00:03
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lbtI'm kinda busy for a week or so then I should have time to *do* things00:03
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lbtjebba: although I'm around for questions+discussion00:03
jebbaStskeeps: OBS looks pretty rockin' to me. No comparision with scratchbox+sdk00:04
jebba+sbdmock rather00:04
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jebbai'm not sure a OBS install is needed or not.   Stskeeps does opensuse's keep up with the demand? Would mer need its own OBS for any reason?00:05
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ptlSygic turn-by-turn navigation compatible with new Nokia phones:
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Stskeepsjebba: well, we need own obs for media codec stuff, ability to build towards debian testing, etc00:09
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Stskeepswe can't build universe or mp3 linking stuff atm either, no matter how oss00:10
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Imrahilit may sound a bit weird, but do you know a possible way to get maemo running on a motorola milestone/droid?00:12
ptlactually that's an oss coder/decoder that does mp300:13
ml-mobileoh, that's how to get to the "slide to unlock" screen00:13
Imrahiland I sincerely hope this message wasn't posted trice ^^ I got a nickserv error message all the time ;)00:13
ShadowJKStskeeps, can't build anything that dlopen()s a codec at runtime?00:14
QuibusHmm, I have a build dep on stx2any... is that available somewhere?00:14
anprDocScrutinizer have not found maemo mentioned there00:15
GeneralAntillesImrahil, no. If you want Maemo, buy an N900. :)00:16
DocScrutinizer51neither is it explicitly excluded from ovi maps00:16
anprdont you think it would be bloody stupid of them not to make it on maemo ?00:16
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ImrahilGeneralAntilles: that's kind of the problem ^^ I can only buy it from a local reseller (who offers financing) and Nokia fails to deliver...00:17
DocScrutinizerImrahil: check mer00:18
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anprguys is anyone else interested about new maemo maps?00:18
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ShadowJKanpr, I suspect we will see paid-for navigation on Maemo Ovi Maps and never see paid-for navigation on Maemo Ovi Maps. How far away they're from completing navigation in Maemo ovi maps is another question.. and also whether it'll arrive on Maemo 5 :)00:19
SpeedEvilImrahil: in short - no. maemo has lots of  closed source nokia bits. Neglecting the difficulty in proting00:19
SpeedEvilShadowJK: It's almost certainly a payment issue, not a difficulty one.00:20
Imrahilwell thanks for the answer, anyways00:20
jebbaStskeeps: how do you do it now if you can't use OBS?00:20
SpeedEvilShadowJK: it costs lots more to license maps for use with turn-by-turn than just maps00:20
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ShadowJKI'm not convinced they have it working :)00:21
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, Moto is more at fault than Nokia. :)00:21
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, for instance Maemo runs fairly competently on the Beagle Board.00:21
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pwnguinShadowJK: good thing nokia owns a maps company00:21
anprShadowJK i've read maemo forums00:21
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anprand i found opinions that how nokia can forget it's just released device ?00:22
GeneralAntillesanpr, forums are a joke.00:22
pwnguinits the nature of smartphones00:22
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pwnguinhow old is the G1?00:23
pwnguina year?00:23
oscillikmore than a year00:23
oscillikprobably closer to two years00:23
anprSpeedEvil but nokia made it free now00:23
anprfor some devices00:23
lcukGeneralAntilles, where is your favorite place for communication00:23
pwnguinThe HTC Dream was released in the US on 22 October 200800:24
pwnguinso a year and a few months00:24
GeneralAntilleslcuk, smoke signals.00:24
lcukromantic candlelit dinner?00:24
* w00t blinks00:24
anprmaybe i just lost in all that00:26
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pwnguinanpr: does the G1 run android 2.0?00:27
anpri have no idea :)00:27
pwnguinafaict no00:27
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pwnguinso when maemo6 comes out next winter with a new phone00:27
jaw_vvdhow to compile with scratchbox for ARM?00:28
anpri just wonder is nokia doing something with n90000:28
pwnguinit wont be any different00:28
anprbecause i see them making ovi maps free for symbian devices00:28
oscillikpwnguin: not stock Android 2.0, nope. i believe someone is working on modding it to work though00:28
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anpri am not worried about maemo 6 on n90000:28
GeneralAntillespwnguin, well, excepting Mer.00:28
anpri never thought it will happen00:28
pwnguinGeneralAntilles: how does Mer plan to cope with the GSM module?00:29
anpri just wish to know about ovi maps 3.0300:29
GeneralAntillespwnguin, helllooooo, oFono.00:29
QuibusHow do I let a package use debhelper7 during build?00:30
GeneralAntillespwnguin, what's there now should also be workable if a UI is slapped on top of it.00:30
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jebbaQuibus: does it *need* debhelper 7 for sure?  Just downgrade it to debhelper 5 and    echo 5 > debian/compat00:31
pwnguinspeaking of Mer, what's the deal with the Sharing icon00:31
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Quibusjebba: I'll try that00:31
jebbait usually works00:31
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zerojaySweet, replacement N900 here.00:32
Quibusjebba: so far so good, thanks :-)00:33
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: (ovi maps) I *have* turn-by-turn info here on ovi maps for an arbitrary route - just in written text only (or I failed to find the knob to turn up spoken guidance)00:33
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anprDocScrutinizer which device do u have ?00:34
anpryeah, it still has not spoken nav probably00:34
anprn900 does not have the newest version of ovi maps00:34
anprwhich support all those features for free00:34
ShadowJKit's not the same ovi maps00:34
pupnikwolf^: as far as i know, the most advanced screen blitting work (open source) has been done in DrNokSnes - check source00:34
oscillikpeople keep, for some unknown reason, thinking that the version of Ovi Maps on Maemo is an old version. this is not true00:35
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anprShadowJK so explain me the difference then00:35
DocScrutinizeranpr: but I bet that'S not a matter of paying for text2speech00:35
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ShadowJKanpr, they're completely different products, but they have the same name.00:35
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anprso what's the difference btw them?00:36
oscillikanpr: the version of Ovi Maps on Maemo is the first release for Maemo. the Ovi Maps for Symbian has been around for a long time00:36
oscillikthe version on Maemo has been around for a few months00:36
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anproscillik kk00:36
anpri see now00:36
anprbut maemo version is not free, like symbian's now, is it ?00:36
ShadowJKanpr, Maemo Ovi Maps is a new from-scratch thing that isn't finished. S60 Ovi Maps used to be called Nokia Maps, before Ovi existed and Nokia bought Navteq00:36
QuibusIs there a gl package for Maemo/00:36
oscillikanpr: not at the moment, no00:36
ShadowJKanpr, Maemo version is free00:37
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Quibussomething like libgl1-mesa-dev00:37
DocScrutinizerwell I'd guess if Nokia has the same name for the app, they want to offer same service (eventually)00:37
ShadowJKBut it doesn't do anything you'd want to pay for anyway ;-)00:37
anprso who is right ? oscillik or ShadowJK ?00:37
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oscillikanpr: Ovi Maps is free, but Turn By Turn voice notified navigation is not free at the moment00:37
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luke-jrShadowJK: Maemo Ovi Maps is free??00:38
anprand probably they do not want it to make free ?00:38
ShadowJKluke-jr, gratis00:38
ShadowJKnot libre00:38
DocScrutinizeroscillik: not free on maemo ovi maps you mean?00:38
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luke-jrShadowJK: so say gratis -.-00:38
oscillikDocScrutinizer: yes00:38
luke-jrlibre is not an English word btw00:38
ShadowJKoscillik, turn by turn voice notified navigation DOES NOT EXIST. Whether it costs money or not, is an irrelevant question, don't you think?00:39
luke-jror rather, not in that usage :p00:39
lcukShadowJK, you are wrong00:39
luke-jrEnglish 'libre' means 'a cocktail made with rum, lime juice, and cola'00:39
ShadowJKlcuk, oh?00:39
lcuki could pay someone to sit in car and use nokia maps00:39
oscillikShadowJK: could've sworn my E90 does Turn by Turn voice notified navigation00:39
anprso there is not any version on maemo for turn voice nav ?00:39
wolf^pupnik, thanks00:39
ShadowJKYes, S60 Ovi Maps has paid-for turn by turn navigation.00:39
ShadowJKWhich will become free on some specific phone models00:40
anprShadikka which, is free now*00:40
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anpron specific models00:40
ShadowJKoh they already made it free? I'm shocked they moved that fast :-)00:40
anprthey've made it00:40
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: S60 voice notif is free-as-in-beer00:40
anprbut just for 10 devices i think00:40
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ShadowJKThey gave me 2 year's free license with my E75 anyway, still on that :)00:41
pupnikeveryone seems to be getting free beer and i still have to pay for it :/00:41
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: see
Quibusjebba: the package needs python 2.5 to compile but 2.3 is installed by default. I have it depend on 2.5, but what is the best way to let the package build with python 2.5? (It's not in the standard path of course.)00:41
QuibusI have 2.5 installed00:42
anprkk, so you guys think it just a question of time for turn voice navigation on maemo 500:42
ShadowJKE75 isn't listed :)00:42
anprbecause it is still being developed ?00:42
DocScrutinizeranpr: exactly00:42
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: seen the little "more" >> lower right corner?00:43
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luke-jranpr: I think buying anything from Nokia on future expectations, promised or not, is a big mistake.00:44
DocScrutinizerE75 listed00:44
DocScrutinizeras is n900 ;-D00:44
jebbaQuibus: not sure about python packaging.  I just did one that put /scratchbox in the freaking path of the output .deb  gah.00:44
anprluke-jr you know00:45
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, fail :)00:45
anprmore i got involved in it00:45
anprmore i think that you're right00:45
ShadowJKwtf, you need pc suite to upgrade?00:45
ShadowJKwhen S60 these days even have something similar to app manager that does application updates...00:46
w00tgrr, why does conky (600kb) require droid fonts package (4.8mb)00:46
* w00t mutters00:46
lcukw00t, are they optified!00:46
anprDocScrutinizer "Your device has nokia maps preinstalled"00:46
t-tanQuibus: have a look at my sympy port00:46
w00tlcuk: I don't care, I don't want to have to pull that down atm as wifi is flaking out00:46
anprthat's what is said00:46
lcukthats reasonable any time of the day00:47
w00t(but I hope so)00:47
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Quibust-tan: do you have a URL for that?00:47
DocScrutinizeranpr: N900:yes.  E75:>>D00:48
DocScrutinizerownload Maps Updater to your compatible computer.00:48
DocScrutinizerThe Maps Updater software installs Ovi Maps 3.0 to your mobile and also upgrades map data and navigator voice files from earlier versions of Maps.00:48
t-tanQuibus: if you have extras-devel (with deb-src) enabled, just do apt-source sympy00:48
anprbut 3.0 is bloody old00:48
anpr3.03 is the newest, which includes free turn voice nav00:48
Quibust-tan: good point00:48
ShadowJKoh, seems the automatic firmware upgrade check has failed on my E7500:48
Quibust-tan: note that I only need to set an environment variable to let it work, I just found out00:49
anprShadowJK give me 1 sec00:49
anpri'll find article for you00:49
Quibust-tan: PYTHON=python2.5 will do00:49
anprcheck this out00:49
Quibusbut I don't know how to let the debian/* files set that00:49
t-tanQuibus: depends on which build system you use. make sure it only calls 2.5 during the build00:50
pupniki can actually follow a map myself00:50
pupnikmust be old00:50
Quibust-tan: it's a custom build system00:51
Quibust-tan: so, PYTHON=python2.5 make00:51
Quibuswould do00:51
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anprShadowJK and i now know that n97 got free nav as well00:51
anprthey made some kind of update00:51
anprand it should be in the list soon00:51
Quibusah, I could probably just put that before the make command00:51
ShadowJKlol, looks like they have rootfs space issues on N97 :)00:52
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t-tanQuibus: put it in your debian/rules: PYTHON:=2.5   and export PYTHON00:52
anprShadowJK yeah00:52
anprbut as i know they fixed it00:52
anprso that's what i was asking about00:52
anprabout this kind of nav on n90000:52
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Quibust-tan: why export it?00:53
t-tanQuibus: so that you don't have specfiy it before every make call00:54
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Quibust-tan: OK, that seems to do the trick :-)00:55
Quibust-tan: thanks00:56
t-tanQuibus: which app are you porting?00:56
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Quibust-tan: openmsx00:56
anprany other news about maemo 5 or n900 ?00:56
anprbecause somebody said that forums is joke00:56
anprso i bet i need to ask here :)00:57
GeneralAntillesanpr, Nokia hasn't announced anything meaningful.00:57
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oscillikanpr: if your N900 hits 88mph, it creates a flux time dispersal effect and you can theoretically go back or forward in time00:57
oscillikbut only if you have PR1.1 installed00:57
anprbut do you think that n900 is "becoming bigger and bigger" ?00:59
CaesiumI hope not, mine barely fits into my pocket as it is.00:59
oscillikCaesium: your pockets are too small then01:00
anprthat's why i've put it in brackets :D01:00
pupnik   i missed this -- a decent display for both color and low-power b/w viewing01:00
GeneralAntillesCaesium, those are women's pants.01:00
* ShadowJK lols: E75's OTA upgrade removed the OTA upgrade from Control Panel. I assume that's a hint no further upgrades will be coming01:00
Caesium*thats* where I'm going wrong :D01:00
* oscillik anxiously awaits the release of Aliens vs Predator (game) and autechre's new album (music). this is all01:01
GeneralAntillesoscillik, Mass Effect 2 is taking over my life. :(01:01
oscillikGeneralAntilles: heh, i know AvP is gonna cause some issues between my beloved and i when it comes out in a few weeks time01:02
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vldcnstAny idea why on n900/latest ff vers youtube videos won't play video, but I can hear sound ?01:06
anprflash /01:06
anpris too old on n900 ?01:06
GeneralAntillesvldcnst, Fennec or MicroB?01:07
vldcnstGeneralAntilles: fennec.01:08
GeneralAntillesDoes it work in MicroB?01:08
GeneralAntillesvldcnst, Fennec's plugins have always been a bit wonky.01:08
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vldcnstTrue... but it's strange, sound works but no visible applet.01:09
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* zerojay yawns.01:10
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GeneralAntillesYo, Jay.01:10
zerojayyo yo.01:10
* w00t wonders if GeneralAntilles ever sleeps.01:10
pupnik  Nokia beats forecasts, shares rally   (wonder how much N900/maemo plays into that)01:10
zerojayw00t: No. lol01:10
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zerojayI have a 16GB microsd card...01:11
GeneralAntillesw00t, what, it's 6PM.01:11
w00tI have one in my n90001:11
w00tbut it's mine.01:11
w00tall mine.01:11
zerojayIf my kittens haven't eaten it anyways.01:11
* w00t cackles01:11
ScribbleJDoes anyone want to take a stab at telling me why mmap is failing when I'm trying to do some v4l2 style video?  Maybe I should just use gstreamer.01:11
pupnikGeneralAntilles: what was the lamest part of Mass Effect 1 for you?01:11
w00tGeneralAntilles: meaning that when we spoke 12 hours or so ago, it was 6am.01:12
GeneralAntillespupnik, horrible side missions.01:12
ScribbleJThe lamest part of Mass Effect 2: All that buildup about alien sex, and no alien boobies.01:12
w00tGeneralAntilles: and I'm sure I've seen you earlier and later than these times =)01:12
GeneralAntillesw00t, early morning today. ;)01:12
ScribbleJI mean 101:12
zerojayI can't even remotely catch up on videogames anymore.01:12
bennypr0fanehey anyone know an app for unzipping .zip files on n900?01:12
ScribbleJThere better be some alien boobs in 2 or I'm going to feel soooo cheated.01:12
zerojayBeen playing almost nothing but Street Fighter 4 for a year straight, hardcore.01:12
w00tbennypr0fane: 'zip'01:12
GeneralAntillesScribbleJ, you can clearly see EA's influence in Mass Effect 2.01:12
w00t(if you're on the cli..)01:12
ScribbleJGeneralAntilles, that sounds like it's bad.01:13
zerojayEA gets a very bad rap, honestly.01:13
GeneralAntillesScribbleJ, it's not the worst thing, but it's a bit depressing.01:13
ScribbleJEA /earned/ a bad rap, honestly.01:13
GeneralAntilleszerojay, yeah, that.01:13
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ScribbleJI still remember when Electronic Arts was just a dev house.  SKATE OR DIE!01:13
zerojayThere's so so so so so many ways that EA's improved games and used their influence to make that happen which you will never know or hear about.01:13
GeneralAntillesScribbleJ, lots of chest shots during conversations.01:13
w00tI don't really like where EA are (trying very hard) to go with "online gaming" being the one and only field01:14
pupnikGeneralAntilles: for me, fairly bad side missions.  lack of ability to do any cool spaceshippy things.  That atrocious level with the conscious plant that spit out the woman.01:14
w00ti.e. they want perpetual fees, for everything01:14
ScribbleJGeneralAntilles, that is a positive point in my book!01:14
ScribbleJGeneralAntilles, really, it just models where I'm looking in real life conversations.01:14
GeneralAntillespupnik, aw, the Thorian was fun.01:14
w00t(but then, ubisoft are looking like they're going to show them that's probable suicide...)01:14
zerojayw00t: *every* gaming company does.01:14
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zerojayUbi's not doing anything perpetual.01:14
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w00tzerojay: there is a reason I have bought games numbering in a linear curve as the years have gone by01:15
pupnikThe horror-zombie theme felt just as awkwardly tacked-on and pointless as the horror scene in HL2.  Does not fit into sci-fi. Imo.01:15
* oscillik fires up TF201:15
w00t(downwards, that is)01:15
anprguys does anyone have time for 1 question which is basicly about java on maemo ?01:15
zerojayw00t: BitTorrent. :)01:15
oscillikpupnik: wrong. Alien.01:15
bennypr0fanew00t where can i find zip?01:15
ScribbleJoscillik, no zombies in Alien.01:15
pupnikoscillik: people rising up out of the ground is a zombie-theme01:15
GeneralAntillespupnik, Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2 is very much like Assassin's Creed to Assassin's Creed II.01:15
jebbaThey dont even *mention* the N900 (!)01:15
jebba"Nokia Corporation Q4 2009 Earnings Call Transcript "
pupnikon-topic? what?01:15
ScribbleJIs it?  I thought AC2 was actually a big improvement over 1.01:16
ScribbleJI mean, it's still not perfect but now at least there are things to /do/.01:16
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GeneralAntillesScribbleJ, yeah, both had great ideas with strong stories and cool environments in 1 but with relatively weak gameplay.01:16
kynkyzero punctuaion vid of ac2 was funny01:16
oscillikpupnik: ahhh sorry, i thought you were making a generalising statement about horror having no place in sci-fi. my fault for doing IRC and TF2 at the same time01:16
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* zerojay shuts up about AC2. lol01:16
GeneralAntillesGameplay caught up in 2.01:16
jebba"In Q4, our top five smart phones, based on both net sales and gross profit, included four touch screens, the Nokia 5800, N97, N97 Mini, and 5530. Our touch screen portfolio generated very impressive growth as we expanded our portfolio to seven global touch screens in Q4, compared to only three in Q3. We shipped nearly 10 million touch screens in Q4, up more than 60%, compared to approximately 6 million in Q3."01:16
ScribbleJExactly, GA.01:17
GeneralAntillesAC2 was awesome.01:17
GeneralAntillesjebba, did Anssi demo Facebook again? ;)01:17
jebbaIsn't it a bit strange they dont mention maemo nor n900 at all? hmm01:17
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jebbaGeneralAntilles: anssi?01:17
GeneralAntillesjebba, not surprised at all.01:17
ScribbleJHey, I'm still new to my N900 and I'm about to waste a lot of time... can someone tell me: a) What do you use to stream from your cameras?  b) Skype with video... possible/how?01:18
bennypr0fanew00t i'm serious, i don't have a zipping aspp, otherwise i wouldn't be asking....01:18
ScribbleJI don't need details, just a general high-level pointer.01:18
jebbaGeneralAntilles: why not mention ti?01:18
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GeneralAntillesjebba, because the dinosaurs are either A. Scared or B. In denial.01:18
pupnikIn media and games, the Ovi store continued on a steep growth trend and we have now exceeded 1 million downloads a day01:18
henkie-can i make MediaBox use mplayer?01:18
ScribbleJOne million downloads?01:18
jebbaGeneralAntilles: the dinos at nokia?01:18
jebbai was hoping to get some idea of how many n900s they've shipped01:19
henkie-my avi's wont play through upnp/dnla01:19
GeneralAntillesjebba, well, the dinos everywhere don't get opensource, but, yes, at Nokia in this case.01:19
* GeneralAntilles would bet between 1-5 mill.01:19
GeneralAntillesAlthough the supply issues may have dampened that number.01:19
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anprhow bloody comes n900 was not mentioned01:19
mikhasand just perhaps Q4 09 means oct-dec. now when again was the n900 available for sale?01:19
GeneralAntillesanpr, see my comments about dinosaurs.01:19
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ScribbleJhenkie-, I have the same problem.  What are you using for DLNA server?01:20
XisdibikGeneralAntilles: Id say the minimum wouldnt have been dampened much, but the max could have been01:20
henkie-ScribbleJ, MediaTomb01:20
Xisdibiki might wager  750k-3M01:20
jebbaGeneralAntilles: ya, but no press asked either01:20
pupnikinvestors want to hear about profits.  that's why n900 wasn't mentioned ;)01:20
anpryeah, but n900 must have affected sales01:20
ScribbleJAh, that saves me time, henkie- -- I was going to try mediatomb.01:20
jebbaWSJ:  "But demand for Nokia's devices, such as the newly launched N900 high-end smart phone, helped the company increase its handset market share to 39% in the fourth quarter from 37% a year earlier."   not sure how they know that about n900 then....01:20
ScribbleJI use ushare.01:20
henkie-ScribbleJ, mythtv also has troubles, but that could be the encoding01:20
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GeneralAntillespupnik, my bet is that Maemo Devices has been one of the most consistently profitable high-end areas of the company for the last 5 years.01:20
anprpupnik so u think n900 was not profitable /01:20
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ScribbleJIt's weird, I can watch the video if I copy it onto the n900 but same video over the upnp, no picture.01:21
maxaudHey guys, I'm trying to update the flash player on my 770 with os2007he, does anyone know an easy way to do that? Also, I can't find the command line / root access.. how do I get there?01:21
GeneralAntillesScribbleJ, think it's a bug in PR1.1.01:21
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henkie-ScribbleJ, yes, only sounds. more ppl with problems (even without upnp)01:21
povbotBug 6823: media player won't play any video files now (.avi) divx / xvid01:21
* GeneralAntilles could've sworn it worked fine during the beta, but I can't see to get them working now.01:21
ScribbleJGeneralAntilles, that's good to hear.  It's not a critical feature for me, so if I know it has worked and will work again, I'm happy.01:21
* pupnik shush's01:22
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ScribbleJFor now I can just mount the media disk over the net and "stream" the videos that way.01:22
henkie-ScribbleJ, how? i dont seems to have nfs support01:22
ScribbleJhenkie-, well, I haven't tried yet, but I'd probably try nfs, samba, and sshfs in that order, then punt.01:23
ScribbleJI think I'm becoming less afraid to force my own kernel onto this thing despite the fact that I can't find all the proper tools.01:24
henkie-i do hope they will release regular updates01:24
henkie-already wasted too much time waiting for the freerunner/openmoko to become usable01:24
GeneralAntillesPR1.1.1 and PR1.2 have both been announced.01:24
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GeneralAntillesI'd say March/April for PR1.2 (conjecture)01:25
jebbareally? i'd think it would just be a drop in the bucket pre-N900.01:25
henkie-too bad there still isnt an easy way to sync my PIM stuff01:25
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GeneralAntillesjebba, sorry, wording was weird. That division was always consistently profitable, not that it was a large portion of company profits.01:26
bennypr0fanecould i please get some help? i'm trying to unzip a file on my n900 but i can't find an application that does it01:26
GeneralAntillesjebba, i.e., they were always in the black.01:26
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henkie-playing movies is nice ofcourse, but being able to share my calendar/contacts and all would kickass01:26
ScribbleJbennypr0fane, apt-get instlal unzip01:26
GeneralAntillesApparently there are plans for at least 1 (likely more) major updates after PR1.2 (larger in size).01:26
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XisdibikGeneralAntilles: like one to successfully completely fix MfE?01:27
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henkie-I was amazed i could just import my data from my old nokia though bluetooth, worked like a breeze01:27
jebbaGeneralAntilles: any clue on how many n900s shipped?01:27
GeneralAntillesXisdibik, as I couldn't give two shits about Exchange support, I have no idea. ;)01:27
henkie-even transferred contact images01:27
GeneralAntillesjebba, haven't seen any numbers anywhere.01:28
timeless_mbpsp3000: so, i got my diff impl to do something remotely useful01:28
XisdibikGeneralAntilles: well i want it to sync successfully with Google ;)01:28
timeless_mbpand it's nice and short01:28
timeless_mbpnow i just need to feed it a corpus01:28
timeless_mbpand then teach it to score its stuff01:28
jebbathey did 6million touchscreens in Q3, 10 million touchscreens in Q4, fwiw.01:28
timeless_mbpit also autofuzzes for additions01:28
GeneralAntillesjebba, last set of semi-reliable numbers I saw for Maemo was in 2007.01:28
GeneralAntilles50k 770, 300k N80001:28
jebbahow can they sell 240 million fones in *one quarter*. That boggles the mind.01:28
ScribbleJtimeless, what is this?01:28
bennypr0faneScribbleJ sorry i'm not sure i understand that.01:29
GeneralAntillesAnd that was just before the N800 price drop01:29
GeneralAntillesSo extrapolate from that what you will.01:29
timeless_mbpScribbleJ: a magic tool i'm writing01:29
jebbawow, 300k N800 in 2007?01:29
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timeless_mbpit isn't really interesting to the real world01:29
GeneralAntillesjebba, and before the price drop.01:29
timeless_mbpalthough hopefully its output will be01:29
bennypr0fanewhat does apt-get instlal mean?01:29
ScribbleJbennypr0fane, I'm not sure about a graphical applet, but you can open a commandline and install unzip from apt-get, which is a linuxy thing to do.01:29
jebbaso like million n900s or somesuch?01:29
timeless_mbpbennypr0fane: 'you can't spell'01:29
ScribbleJtimeless, it was my typo. :)01:29
cehtehif nokia could only produce this millions in time :P01:29
ScribbleJHe's just copying.01:29
anprbut i still think apple got nokia with its 3gs, talking in sales01:29
* cehteh still waiting01:29
cehtehall cheaper shops have "out of stock" in germany01:30
GeneralAntillesjebba, seems like a safe bet.01:30
GeneralAntillesanpr, Apple cheats.01:30
anprthey always do01:30
cehtehdidnt nokia wantted to make a press release today about shortening their portofolio?01:30
GeneralAntillesCarrier subsidies.01:30
anprthat's i kind of do not like/hate em01:31
XisdibikGeneralAntilles: as i wasnt able to send mail with attachments, and some mail got bugged and showed nothing, and never showed in mail box,  had to full resync to get it01:31
bennypr0fanescribblej sorry, i have zero knowledge of linux. can you tell the commands i need to enter or is it too complicated?01:31
ScribbleJtimeless, I don't mind a bit of ivory-tower thinking.... what's this magic tool do?  Feeding it a corpus sounds delightfully language-processingish.01:31
cehtehala scrapping maemo? .. or symbian? .. *eg*01:31
jebbaanpr: nokia sells far more smartfones than apple.01:31
timeless_mbpScribbleJ: yep01:31
GeneralAntillescehteh, scrapping S4001:31
timeless_mbpScribbleJ: so, i have a side project which translates from Fingrish to English01:31
ScribbleJbennypr0fane, well, I could gt you as far as installing it but I'd lose patience right around helping you use it from the commandline.  You would lose patience far before that.  There must be a better way.01:31
timeless_mbpthe problem is that every release someone adds more Fingrish01:31
ScribbleJtimeless, Fingrish?01:32
cehtehGeneralAntilles: do you have a link to the todays press release?01:32
timeless_mbpScribbleJ: en-FI01:32
anprjebba but apple probably is still more profitable company isn't ?01:32
GeneralAntillescehteh, not handy.01:32
ScribbleJHah, OK01:32
ScribbleJSo you are building an automatic translator.01:32
henkie-I was wondering, how does development in C/C++ for the n900 work, I assume sources not compiled on the n900 itself?01:32
ScribbleJKind of?01:32
timeless_mbpi manually translated the project01:32
henkie-is there a VM or something available?01:32
timeless_mbpbut i want it to learn what i translated01:32
ScribbleJhenkie-, there is a good guide to this on the site, click development.01:32
jebbaanpr: not sure who is more profitable, but nokia made $2 billion dollars profit last quarter01:33
bennypr0faneScribbleJ sure there's no graphical app? seems hard to believe....01:33
timeless_mbpso when new sentences are added, it can automatically 'fix' those01:33
ScribbleJhenkie-, the short answer is no, they are compiled on a PC running scratchbox.01:33
timeless_mbpuntil i release better fixes01:33
anprjebba and the thing is that many nokia customers are bloody dissapointed01:33
ScribbleJbennypr0fane, I'm really new to N900.  I find that hard to believe, too.  I don't know whether it is true.01:33
anpri've read like thousands threats with words " it was my last nokia product"01:33
jebbaanpr: apple had profit of 1.6 billion Q4, so nokia won there.01:33
ScribbleJtimeless, that's very interesting... so what do you feed it then, just your past translations?01:33
jebbaanpr: they are disappointed? all 240 million of them?01:34
bennypr0fanethanks however...01:34
timeless_mbpthe en-Fi and my en-US01:34
timeless_mbpthen my en-US and my en-GB01:34
VDVsxScribbleJ, henkie- there's a image that you can run under a VM01:34
uhsfok now my homework due tomorow is done, time to open that mysterious newegg box I received today :-)01:34
timeless_mbpactually, for fun i'll probably start feeding it my en-US and my en-Gb01:34
jebbawell,. more like billion of them.  anpr they sold 240 million devices in one fkn quarter. They can't be that disappointed.01:34
ScribbleJtimeless, I'm always interested in projects like that.  What kind of system do you use for an engine to drive it?01:34
timeless_mbpbecause those are simpler to analyze01:34
anprthat's not a good fact01:34
jebbaanpr: what's not a good fact?01:34
maxaudHow do I access the command line on my Nokia 770 using os2007HE?01:34
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GeneralAntillesanpr, Apple has those too, they just delete them off their forums.01:35
jebbayou can find people complaining about every device ever made if you want to find a complaint.01:35
Matthew-any russians here?01:35
anprthat some of them are, like ofcause not all of them01:36
henkie-ScribbleJ, VDVsx   tnx01:36
anpri think that just everyday users are happy with that01:36
henkie-i'll stick with py/qt and copying to the device for the moment  :)01:37
jebbaya, people leaving in droves drove their marketshare *UP* to 39% of the entire market. And they went up in smartfone too.  anpr01:37
uhsfwell, well, well, Nokia N900, how interesting01:37
anprjebba i have one question01:37
henkie-too bad my old j2me app doesnt work anymore  :)01:38
VDVsxhenkie-, which OS are you using ?01:38
anprnokia's market share is 38%01:38
henkie-VDVsx, on my desktop? linux/gentoo01:38
VDVsxanpr, raised to 40% according to today's news01:38
anprwhat the figure of the whole market ?01:38
anpri just want to understand how much are those 38%01:38
* jebba bores of discussion with anpr01:38
henkie-pyqt kind of works, only the sizes of the elements dont really match01:39
VDVsxhenkie-, you can use MADDE I think, and probably scratchbox, but I don't know how to install it in no .deb systems01:39
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VDVsxhenkie-, MADDE is just like a chroot, only the cross-compiler and is mostly targeted to Qt01:40
VDVsx ^01:40
anprGeneralAntilles bloody apple01:40
henkie-VDVsx, tnx, i'll look into that01:40
anprMatthew- not really russian01:41
anprbut i can speak01:41
Arkenoiwhy angry birds opponents are green pigs?01:41
hardaker2Madde is a great solution for non-.deb systems.  I have it on fedora and it works great.01:41
Matthew-anpr: how's sleep well idiomaticaly ?01:41
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VDVsxanpr, ah and don't forget that apple profits include the all range of MACs + Ipods01:41
VDVsxArkenoi, well, better ask Rovio :D01:42
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anprVDVsx so nokia beat them obviosly01:43
henkie-would be nice to have app that enables wifi only during specific times (at night it is kind of useless)01:43
anprif nokia beat them just with phones01:43
anprit's a really good fact01:43
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henkie-or a cron-gps-daemon   :)01:44
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shamuswhy is my battery life on the n800 so bad? i have it in off line mode the screen blacks fast and the only app runing is the defult clock01:52
shamusim lucky if the patery last a full day01:52
henkie-shamus, n800 or n900?01:52
shamusyah i know there geting old01:53
shamuswhat is it over 3 years old and still kicking01:53
henkie-maybe that's why the battery life is short?01:54
shamusruning os2008 dilblo01:54
shamusthe batery is brand new01:54
henkie-ah, then I wouldn't know01:54
shamusor is saposably01:54
shamusgot to love oem ugh01:54
shamusbut yah i wind up throwing it on the charger daily01:55
shamuswith it just idaling most of the time01:55
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henkie-that sounds kind of fast indeed01:56
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henkie-n900 doesnt last much longer tho01:56
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shamuswifi on full time dose use power but still01:57
shamusit should last more then 8 to 24 hours01:57
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shamuseep net split01:57
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WizzupJust wondering, has anyone tried to run wine with qemu on the n900?01:58
henkie-I did try to install vista on it01:59
jebbaWizzup: why with qemu?01:59
ml-mobilethat'd be painfully slow01:59
Wizzupjebba: What else would you suggest, bochs?01:59
jebbasomeone did install windoz 95 with dosbox thoguh ;)01:59
shamusim beging to think i should have gone with the n900 as the n800 and n810 are defidenlty getign old01:59
ml-mobilethat was impressive01:59
jebbaWizzup: actually not sure. /me withdraws.  I know near zilch abotu wine/win02:00
WizzupWell, if you want to run x86 bins, you'd need a x86 wine, and qemu can do user mode emulation02:00
WizzupI just don't know how slow it would be ;)02:00
Stskeepsjebba: we don't02:00
Wizzupprobably equal to a 50Mhz x86 processor or something02:00
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jebbaok, i pushed the Maemo extras mirrors onto Amazon's S3 cloud, which should be damn fast.  You can grab .install files here (see FOG section):
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ScribbleJOK, I remember reading some doc about using an osso tool to link against libraries but I cannot find it because I was dropped on my head as a child.  Anyone?02:18
ScribbleJNevermind.  And my head still hurts.02:20
Caesiumafter editing mce.ini do I just need to HUP mce, or kill it entirely?02:21
Caesiumdoes it autorestart or do I have to/02:21
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Caesiummce.ini hurts my head, trying to get the SMS indicator to blink a bit more regularly so I only have ot glance at it to see if I have an SMS, anyone any good at this?02:27
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nomisCaesium: I recently glanced at that stuff, what makes your head hurt?02:42
nomisat least it is extensively commented.02:42
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DocScrutinizer51Caesium: killing it will reboot anyway02:43
* Caesium worked it out, I was having trouble with a pause02:43
Caesiumhave to use a non-zero value in the second half of a pause for it to have any effect, didn't realise that from the in-file comments02:43
nomisI actually wished it was possible to define temporary patterns.02:43
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nomise.g. with a dbus command.02:43
CaesiumDocScrutinizer51: hm, didn't reboot for me02:44
nomis... or to have some generic single-blip-patterns.02:44
Caesiuminitctl stop mce ; initctl start mce .. worked fine02:44
Caesiumit turned the screen on but nothing else :)02:44
DocScrutinizer51Caesium: pause is up to 400andfsome ms only (for led_patterns)02:44
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CaesiumI was trying 7100 at first but since the step was 00 it didn't have any effect ;)02:45
DocScrutinizer51you have to se steps=0 for pause02:45
DocScrutinizer51otherwise it's a ramp02:46
CaesiumI ended up with (for sms): 9d80400002ff03ff7103000002:46
CaesiumI didn't like how it blinked twice then stayed off for ages, it meant I had to look at the N900 for too long to see if I had missed an SMS02:46
DocScrutinizer51which may create nice pause if you try to step across a limit (down below 0, up over 255)02:46
Caesiumthis one blinks more regularly02:46
Caesiumshould I put a 7203 after the 7103?02:47
Caesiumor doesn't it matter02:47
DocScrutinizer51Caesium: moment please02:47
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DocScrutinizer51quite pink ;-)02:49
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dymaxionhelp! disaster... I woke up this morning (with my N900 on charge via mains socket)  and it was boiling hot... crashed in some way... I couldn't power off so had to pull the battery out.  (has been happening lots more recently when charging)02:54
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dymaxionNow when I start up the /media/mmc1/ appears to be damaged or unmounted.... it contains a single folder "info" and nothing else... all my files, photos, music etc all gone02:54
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dymaxionI note that there's no entry in /etc/fstab for /media/mmc1   is this normal?  Could the N900 have damaged my 16gb SD card?02:55
ColdFyreCaesium:  ping02:55
DocScrutinizer51thoe umts outages going unnoticed are real PITA for irc02:56
pupniktry /etc/mtab02:56
ColdFyreor /proc/mounts02:56
CaesiumColdFyre: lo?02:57
DocScrutinizer51or mount02:57
ColdFyreCaesium:  you might not remember, but a few weeks ago i inquired to the chan about a program that would take action for missed events, and that struck your attention02:57
dymaxionhi pupnik, I'll have  look02:58
CaesiumColdFyre: ah yeah, I've installed the SDK and done some messing about in it but no real time to make serious progress on anything yet02:58
ColdFyreah, nice :)02:58
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jebbadymaxion: you probably need to fsck (filesystem check) your mmc. You can do it outside of the N900 as well.03:00
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DocScrutinizer51wh? is there error thrown on trying to mount?03:01
DocScrutinizer51automount works for VFAT only btw03:02
DocScrutinizer51and only for one (first) partition03:02
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jebbaseems to mount corrupted stuff fine. But unmounting it and fscking it would probably help.03:07
ifreq  :-)03:08
dymaxionok,  last time i ran fsck I trashed a hard drive!  any ideas what flags I need to run it with.. i'm not that confident running that one!03:08
dymaxioni was tryign to recover the superblocks and killed it !03:08
acidjazzNokia climbs to 40% smartphone market share 65% Profit increase in Q403:09
acidjazzmp3blaster eh03:09
acidjazzwhat is tha tusin gncurses?03:09
ifreqacidjazz: yeah. just learned how to port my 1st app :)03:09
ifreqso pickedup mp3blaster03:10
ifreqbeats default player!! no indexing03:10
acidjazzifreq: do me a huge favor :)03:10
acidjazzport a compilation of php w/ sqlite and gtk :)03:10
ifreq:P you better ask from some skilled ones. im just learning still :)03:10
dymaxionit is ok to fsck my mmc from within maemo, given that it's already unmounted...    ?   I don't have a uSD to SD adapter with me.. will have to buy one otherwise.03:11
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acidjazzi guess ill learn python03:12
ifreqacidjazz: thats still way over my skill lvl. i just wanted to learn howto port simple apps first.03:12
ifreqalso need to figure out packagin etc :P03:12
ifreqnot familiar as im not even a coder03:12
acidjazzjust look at the src of a sample app03:13
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acidjazzifreq: you need to clean your screen ;)03:15
jebbadymaxion: you need to umount it, then run as root fsck.vfat03:17
jebbadymaxion: fsck.vfat -vvv /dev/mmcblk1p103:17
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DocScrutinizer51damn, I just uped a video to ovi share. But I'm to blockheaded to feature out how to share the URL to access it03:20
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pupniki keep missing pms03:21
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pupnikDocScrutinizer51: i wisxh the client would provide that03:25
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acidjazzany1 in here successfully writing apps in python?03:27
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zerojayN900 is apparently charging...03:35
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cehtehput it in the microwave?03:36
zerojayLast I saw, it was downloading 51.1.03:37
zerojayNo idea if it finished.03:37
zerojayJust was unresponsive with charging led coming on and off.03:37
zerojayUnplugged... kept flashing charging.03:37
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KlownerI think I need one of those spiffy usb charger battey pack thingers03:38
AleMaxxwhat about mini wormhole with usb-plug?03:39
Klownerthey probably won't let me on an airplane with that03:39
AleMaxxmaybe, these are hard times03:40
Klownermight end up crash landing and dealing with smoke monsters03:40
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vldcnstHelp! Media Player doesn't recognize old mp3 files anymore!03:41
acidjazzzerojay: lolll03:42
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zerojayand now to try to find a 16GB microsd card... somewhere in my house.03:43
zerojayAnd... that was quick, thankfully.03:43
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acidjazzany1 in here codin python03:46
nomisbut I am heading for bed now. Unfortunately you did not ask your question directly, otherwise I might have typed an answer instead of ranting about people not asking their questions directly...03:49
acidjazznomis: wait :)03:50
Klownerno sleep for you!03:50
tank-manyou get more help just asking the question instead of surveying if anyone is in a similar sitiuation as you :)03:51
uhsffirst impressions about my new Nokia N900, the build quality of this device is amazing03:51
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DocScrutinizer51freaking bullshit!!!! taskswitcher had a lag of 5 minutes(!!!) while just xterm, xchat, and microb with ovi share video was open. took me 30 minutes of patience to recover by closing microb03:53
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uhsfsecond impression the software is so not ready for mainstream. the first boot leads to some kind of perpetual reboot loop. is this a joke? even the freerunner gets more points for out of the box functionality03:53
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Klowneruhsf: that's not normal03:54
DocScrutinizer51heh FR gets negative points for OOTB performanc03:55
uhsfKlowner: it says internal error: phone application closed, application camera closed and then reboots03:55
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ColdFyrethe FR really sucks03:55
DocScrutinizer51I should know03:55
ColdFyreas much as i like it03:55
* Klowner didn't experience anything like that03:55
ColdFyreFR has the buzz issues, deep sleep issues, gsm firmware issues03:56
DocScrutinizer51but never seen bootloop ootb on N90003:56
ColdFyremy n900 worked fine ootb03:56
DocScrutinizer51seen freeze though as mentioned above03:56
cehtehuhsf: if it reboots, give it back for exchange03:56
DocScrutinizer51ColdFyre: no gsm FR issues on FR anymore ! .use my uSD image to upgrade03:57
Klownermy first N900 had a bad microphone, second one has been good though03:58
ColdFyrei thought there were still some sim card issues with the newer versions even03:58
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ColdFyreas in it won't "see" some fireball sim cards03:58
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* ColdFyre had that problem03:58
* cehteh has the no n900 problem still :P03:58
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ColdFyrethat is a big problem indeed03:59
Klownercehteh: I had that problem between my first and second N900, Nokia "customer support" was awful03:59
ColdFyreyou need to remedy that03:59
cehtehKlowner: yes i had the first one03:59
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Klownerthey wouldn't send a replacement until they "processed" my return, which could take "up to a month"03:59
cehtehgave it back for cash (no option for exchange, amazon warehouse deals)03:59
SargunSince the N900 has both a FM receiver, and transmitter, can we use the receiver to find open channels?03:59
cehtehSargun: in theory yes03:59
lupine_85Is maemo 5 + n900 going to support IPv6 OOTB any time soonish?04:00
cehtehiirc there is no such app yet04:00
* lupine_85 just finished setting up native IPv6 at home :)04:00
Proteouswhat does it mean when the process omap2_mcspi is using a lot of cpu and making my n900 battery drain very quickly04:01
uhsfseriously now why is the damn phone rebooting?04:03
dymaxionjebba, any ideas why there's an info directory in /media/mmc  never noticed that before... does that exist on your N900's ?04:03
SpeedEvilSargun: no point04:06
* Caesium does not have /media/mmc1/info04:06
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SargunSpeedEvil, what do you mean?04:06
SpeedEvilSargun: the tx has a dedicated power reciever that's optimised for this04:06
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dymaxionincidentally I ran fsck on /dev/mmcblk1p1  and it found no problems with the filesystem,.... but it appears there's a bug in maemo 5 perhaps?  it's copmletely wiped my mmc !04:06
SargunSpeedEvil, ah...04:06
dymaxionand written a /media/mmc1/info directory in there isntead04:06
uhsfanyone? did i receive a defective N900? wouldn't be surprising as i'm the unluckiest person in the world04:07
dymaxionlooks like the info contains a load of   .list and .md4sums  files  ( the .list files appear to be direcotry listings)04:07
SpeedEviluhsf: some people seem to have defective hardware04:07
Klowneruhsf: sounds possible04:07
Klowneruhsf: like I said, mine was defective but not in that way04:07
dymaxionany idea why I've lost all my MMC data :-(  I didn't have a backup as I'd only been using it a couple weeks :-(  all data gone :-(04:08
dymaxionmaemo must have corrupted my file allocation tables...  :-(04:08
SpeedEvildymaxion: there are mmc recovery tools04:08
SpeedEvildymaxion: that read - ignoring FAT04:09
SpeedEvilis this the internal mmc?04:09
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dymaxionno, external mmc 16gb :-(  had about 100mb  of stuff I'd downloaded over the past weeks :-(04:09
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SpeedEvildymaxion: did you try unplugging and replugging - then try it in something else/04:10
dymaxionyup... first thing i did was remove and reinsert...04:10
dymaxioni need to buy an adapter as I don't have a micro MMC adapter at eh mo04:11
SpeedEvildoes the device show up as 16G free?04:11
dymaxionbtw, N900, anyone also noticed with wifi, i connect to a local   ad-hoc network (served from my fedora PC about 0.5m away, and by about half day my battery is almost drained. ...  seems very power hungry with wifi04:11
SpeedEvilad-hoc does not do power save.04:11
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dymaxiondf -h doesn't show my mount, not the partition for the mmc04:12
SpeedEvilI don't think it can - in principle04:12
dymaxionaah i see. that's why adhoc causing probs...   is it possiblel for my PC to create an actual access point?  or can it only create an adhoc connection?04:12
SpeedEvilDoes sfdisk -l list it?04:12
SpeedEvildon't know04:12
dymaxionah yes... info here... it shows that the start: end blocks have issues04:13
dymaxioncylinder, head, sectors don't match start and end04:14
SpeedEvilthat is not a fundamental issue04:14
dymaxionexpected (1, 188, 13) found (0,130,3)04:14
SpeedEvilor may not be04:14
dymaxionend:  expected (1023,220,20) found (968,220,20)04:14
SpeedEvilthat is odd04:14
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SpeedEvilhowever - absolute first thing - do not write anything to the card - take an image of it04:15
dymaxioncan I rip an image from there onto my internal 32gb card?  using dd ?04:16
SpeedEvildymaxion: was this fat or ext2fs?04:16
villageruhsf: I think I hear that about 10% of n900s have been found to have such defects, so you're not alone04:16
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dymaxioni thought external MMC had to be fat?   (fat was dfault formatted)04:16
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cehtehyeah readonly make a image, make a copy of that image, try to salvage that copy04:16
SpeedEvilSargun: - updated with details of expected performance04:16
SpeedEvildymaxion: nope. It may not mount it if not - but...04:17
cehtehSpeedEvil: i had some impression that it is very slow to tune a frequency in .. is that just a gui issue of the fm radio app?04:17
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povbotBug 6334: random but frequent HW watchdog reboots (/proc/bootreason contains "32wd_to") when returning from off_mode04:20
dymaxionSpeedEvil, i'm worried I've lost all my data :-(    gonna run "dd" with this command... does that look right?     dd if=/dev/mmcblk1p1 | bzip2 > /user/MyDocs/mmcBackup.img.bz204:21
cehtehadd a bs=4M for better performance04:22
cehtehand better backup the whole card not only the partition04:22
cehteh dd if=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=4M ...04:23
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cehtehthere is also gnu-ddrescue, just in case you experience hardware errors04:23
SpeedEvildd if=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=512 conv=sync,noerror |04:24
cehtehand there are very good tools to recover specific kinds of data .. jpegs and so on from damaged filesystems04:24
cehtehyou dont need sync for the pipe04:24
SpeedEvilyou don't care about performance pretty much - and you want to continue in the face of errors, and not ignore unreadable pages, but zero pad them04:24
SpeedEvilhence the other options04:25
cehtehwell i recommend gnu-ddrescue, can do this much better04:25
SpeedEvilwell - yes - but it's not there. And the above works well.04:25
DocScrutinizer51ColdFyre: no issues with MOKO11 calypso firmware so far.04:25
DocScrutinizer51except #1024 which is a hw bug04:26
cehteh(was that the internal mmc?04:26
DocScrutinizer51dieter and me actually made it work finally04:27
DocScrutinizer51ColdFyre: for buzz issue there's my buzzfix SOP04:28
DocScrutinizer51and A7 version is buzzfixed by fab04:28
DocScrutinizer51still I like the N900 better04:29
zerojaywtf... does extras just not work anymore or what...?04:29
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: wazzup?04:29
dymaxionnot sure what to do with that image once I've got it to recover data, but I assume there must be tools to do this? can u suggest the best?  thanks for your help in desperate times... !04:29
dymaxionbtw, maemo's dd command doesn't support conv option... so I guess I'll have to miss this out04:30
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: just the mismanagment of OM04:30
DocScrutinizer51duh, I'm EE. Not mgmt04:30
SpeedEvildymaxion: I posted a link earlier to one - recovery tools04:30
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I know04:30
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uhsfso villager, seems my N900 is DOA what a fucking deception04:30
DocScrutinizer51I *WAS* EE04:31
dymaxionsorry cehteh missed your post :-)  gnu-ddrescue i'll hav ea look04:31
SpeedEviluhsf: A few peoples seem to be.04:31
DocScrutinizer51sorry no other way to acvoid caps04:31
SpeedEviluhsf: :/04:31
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uhsfnow is there a reset switch on that useless piece of garbage or something?04:31
cehtehdymaxion: on the device or on a PC?04:31
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dymaxionon the N90004:31
SpeedEviluhsf: you might try reflashing04:31
uhsfand then void the waranty?04:32
SpeedEvildymaxion: If you cannot use conv= options - ensure that teh image is the right size04:32
SpeedEviluhsf: flashing does not void warranty04:32
uhsfif there is any since i'm in canada04:32
cehtehinternal mmc .. well then use dd ... i dont think ddrescue is available for the n90004:32
dymaxioncehteh, i mean external mmc, but runnign it while mounted in my N900 and not from PC04:32
dymaxionI'll scp it across to my laptop and run ddrescue on it...04:32
cehtehdymaxion: when you can put it in a cardreader then ddrescue on a pc will do04:32
DocScrutinizerColdFyre: U should /join #openmoko-cdevel04:33
cehtehcaveat there is a gnu and a suse ddrescue .. the gnu is far more powerful04:33
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dymaxioncehteh, (forgot to bring my uMmc to SD adapter with me.. .need to buy one.. sigh04:33
cehtehusually named gddrescue but depends on distribution04:33
uhsflike i have so much time to waste on this, i can't believe my freerunner i was hoping to replace still owns this 700$ N900 junk04:33
DocScrutinizerColdFyre: ...instead of spreading FUD ;-D04:33
cehtehuhsf: exchange it, faulty hardware is not worth the efforts04:34
cehtehmine rebooted infrequently too and had some other issues, no i still have to wait for a new one04:34
cehtehbut there are a lot people telling about flawless devices so, its possible04:34
villageruhsf: if you flash it with newest firmware, it might start working04:35
Matthew-nice tatoo04:35
villageruhsf: nokia doesn't make flashing hard, they make it easy, and it won't void your warranty04:36
zerojayIs extras down?04:36
Matthew-zerojay: off for the weekend :D04:37
Matthew-anyone knows any place with good wallpapers?04:38
zerojayAwesome timing. :/04:38
Matthew-i mean rollable walpapers? or what the name is?04:38
Matthew-No >04:40
DocScrutinizerpanorama wallpaper?04:41
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DocScrutinizerI actually hate it04:42
* DocScrutinizer wants decently distinguishable wallpapers for different desktops04:43
ali1234i haven't found a use for more than one desktop yet04:43
SpeedEvilseamless doesn't mean non-distinguishable04:43
DocScrutinizertoo mucs?h widget04:43
ali1234and that has no icons on it04:43
DocScrutinizerooops touchpad - another objec of hatred04:44
SpeedEvilI want multiple proper desktops that I can flip between04:44
DocScrutinizerseamless is most useless eyecandy I ever seen04:45
zerojayUh... why?04:45
zerojayThere's nothing stopping you from having completely different images for each desktop. It'll just look like ass, but you can do it.04:46
cehtehDocScrutinizer: i was thinking about a rainbow gradient04:46
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SpeedEvilPersonally - my desktops are obvious from widtgets04:48
DocScrutinizerthat's what I use on my desktop04:48
SpeedEvilwe have the map desktop - with location-applet, osm2go, gpx, location-applet-gui, ...04:48
DocScrutinizersaves 3k of pict memory :-P04:49
SpeedEvilinfo desktop, with weather, bytes tx/rx, ...04:49
Matthew-ali1234: lol ;-)04:50
Matthew-i dont have any widgets04:50
Matthew-thou ive got phone/conv/email desktop04:50
DocScrutinizeryour fault04:50
Matthew-then bookmarks/blogs bla bla bla04:51
Matthew-then work04:51
ali1234i can't see the point in any widgets, they are all just the same as the ones on main menu04:51
Matthew-then calendar/pics etc..04:51
Matthew-ali1234: calendar widget04:51
ali1234why have two icons to start phone?04:51
ali1234i don't use the calendar04:51
zerojaySo that you can do so quicker.04:51
ali1234i don't use *any* calendar04:51
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Matthew-well I do.04:51
DocScrutinizerali1234: widget != bookmark04:51
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ali1234point being, i have yet to find a widget that is actually useful04:52
DocScrutinizerwidget has dynamic info content04:52
zerojayIf you haven't found a widget useful, you aren't trying.04:52
ali1234i installed a bunch of them04:52
SpeedEvilali1234: weather?04:53
SpeedEvilali1234: tx/rx numbers?04:53
zerojayPersonally, I love not needing to click through a bunch of menus to see stuff... it's right there on my desktop.04:53
ali1234yeah the weather one was the closest to being useful, unfortunately it fails more often than it works04:53
Matthew-SpeedEvil: doesnt the weather drain the batt?04:54
DocScrutinizerali1234: works like charm here04:54
ali1234yeah it seems to depend on the info source04:54
ali1234oh, not foreca, the other one04:54
CaesiumOMWeather, I have that on my main desktop and it seems ok.04:54
DocScrutinizerno - the weather drowns the bat (when heavy rain)04:55
ali1234i found foreca to be terribly ugly and hard to read, too much small writing and misaligned icons04:55
ali1234lets see if theres any new widgets since last time i looked04:56
ali1234wow a battery level widget... how is that useful?04:56
CaesiumDesktop Command Execution widget is one I need to have a look at, looks great04:56
ali1234... and another one04:56
DocScrutinizeron heavy weather bats don't fly04:56
zerojayali1234: How is that NOT useful?04:56
Matthew-I want some NYC wallpaper! :D04:56
ali1234zerojay: battery level is right there is the system menu all the time04:57
zerojayali1234: And with the widget you can see it without bothering with the system menu.04:57
ali1234there's no way that you can display the desktop without seeing the battery level04:57
zerojaySure there is.04:57
ali1234any time the desktop widget is visible, the system menu will also be visible04:57
zerojayEh... what?04:58
DocScrutinizerali1234: ack04:58
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zerojayI'm starting to wonder if his N900's busted.04:58
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Matthew-that's nice04:58
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ali1234notice that the battery level is visible05:00
ali1234wait.. plasma widgets on n900??05:00
acidjazzdinner tyme05:00
zerojayali1234: That's not the system menu.05:01
ali1234oh. what is it then?05:01
DocScrutinizerali1234: LOL05:01
zerojaysystem tray.05:01
ali1234my point still stands. any time the desktop is visible, that thing is visible too05:01
ali1234therefore, putting a battery widget on desktop is pointless05:01
zerojaywell, that makes at least more sense.05:01
zerojayunless that widget is giving more data... but then again, some people don't want battery in their tray.05:02
zerojaySo that's probably the reason why that one was made.05:02
ali1234*those two05:03
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SpeedEvil - :) (not worksafe site - though the page is worksafe)05:04
ali1234gps-data-logger ... now this looks interesting05:06
Matthew-Aircrack-ng lol05:07
Matthew-n900 will be next IRC hacking tool05:08
Matthew-or a GUI in Visual Basic to track IPs05:08
ali1234oh, it isn't a widget05:13
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corecodei'm wondering how my IRC infrastructure will evolve with the n90005:14
corecodemoving to xmpp and irc gateway didn't seem to work out05:14
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* wiretapped has been meaning to try bitlbee with the irc telepathy connection mgr05:25
wiretappedanybody here do that?05:25
wiretappedusing irssi in screen works for now05:25
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corecodei was hoping for better usability when running everything through jabber05:28
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cehtehconsidering that jabber is a bloated XML based protocol i dont really expect it to improve anything05:33
uhsfXMPP rules the IM world!05:34
Proteousirc+bitlbee == win05:36
ProteousI just irssi in a screen session though05:37
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cehtehxchat works fine on n900, with some config to make it look nicer05:39
uhsfnokia lost big points today for sending me my first defective device ever05:42
uhsfat this price point it's kinda hard to swallow05:42
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cehtehsend it back and good05:43
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ScribbleJProteous, IRC+bitlbee+znc == the win ...05:59
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Matthew-a good FTP client?06:08
Matthew-is that testing or devel?06:08
Matthew-ok, pupnik_ is it for n900?06:09
Matthew-lets look06:10
Matthew-pupnik_: how much free space uve got on rootfs btw?06:10
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Matthew-no lftp06:11
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pupnik_ty for reminder06:12
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|Ranyone knows if using SIP through Fring goes through their servers?06:41
|Ror is it just a normal VoIP client in that case...?06:42
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Matthew-can you upload pics to picassa06:44
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aspiditesin vgba how do I switch to fullscreen? ctrl+enter seems to have no effect08:02
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pupnik_aspidites: i dont think you can08:10
RST38hpupnik: he can't?08:11
RST38hwell, actually, he cannot, right...08:11
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pupnik_pasuspender -- vgba -ds 3 -sync 20 -sound 48000 -shm -skip 66 Sword_of_Mana.gba08:17
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pupnik_i dont get why ali1234 sees xrun with pulse.08:23
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ali1234i see xrun because the emulator does not run at 100% speed08:24
ali1234therefore it does not fill the buffer faster than it empties08:24
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pupnik_you know i was getting sound without dropouts with psx4all08:30
pupnik_unless i hallucimember that08:30
shamuswow droped a full bar on the batrery meater in less then 4 or 5 hours just idaling08:30
shamusoh wifi is still on guss thats might explane it08:31
pupnik_dropped  battery  meter  idling08:33
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MistaED :)08:36
pupnik_probably the closest to win i ever got was fixing fceu stutter08:38
pupnik_that was bad design clossed ovr with an expensive lowpass filter08:39
redsometimes it pays to be a student hehe :)08:39
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pupnik_if i go to schools selling free crack they try to lock me up08:41
RST38hselling or giving away?08:42
ifreqacidjazz: yeah, took photo with macro was devastated :)08:43
redRST38h: I guess it's the little finger method08:43
redgive something for free, and hook you up08:43
redbut when it comes to IT students and M$ products I kinda think bad idea08:44
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pupnik_well they would copy it anyway08:44
pupnik_the problem is teaching OS concepts with it08:44
RST38hYou cannot teach OS concepts with Windows08:45
RST38hYou can run MS Office with it though and that is what everyone uses it for08:45
redI think our school has participated in that just for our CCNP students08:46
redso they can legally run their own copy of Windows whatever virtually when testing stuff08:46
redat school that is08:46
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* RST38h does not understand what the problem is though. If MS wants to give away Windows, it has full rights to do so.08:47
redNo problem ^^08:47
RST38hIt will not make Windows any more suitable for tasks outside wordprocessing though.08:47
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redJust saying it won't increase their cashflow, which I imagine is the concept of "give for free so people get used to stuff"08:48
red..and then want to use it after schools over or something. Problem is, every IT guy already knows their products and uses them or not, and is not likely to change behaviour based on this :)08:48
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redI could have gone hardcore and picked XNA license for some xbox programming hehe :)08:49
ptmanI would not have windows if it weren't for msdn-aa08:51
ptmanI was without windows for years08:51
redptman: but would you buy one, even now? :)08:53
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ptmanone could say I bought it08:53
ptmanI paid ~20EUR for acm membership to get win708:54
ptmanwin7 is quite good08:54
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redI like it aswell09:00
redanyone know a program which would let me to use an ssh server with user and pass to tunnel a connection to another ssh server, for SFTP usage09:00
ptmanumm, ssh?09:01
doc|homered: look up "ssh tunneling" :)09:02
ptmanssh -L 8022:secondserver:22 user@firstserver09:02
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ptmansftp -p 8022 localhost09:02
reddoc|home: got winscp portable to function the way I wanted =)09:07
reduse the normal version home but never realized the advanced check in the corner for more options heh09:07
redwe need to connect to our school ssh and then open an ssh outside, cant do directly09:07
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luke-jrmorning slonopotamus!09:22
mecemornin everyone09:23
slonopotamusit's quiet. too quiet. :)09:24
meceDangerous when it's quiet...09:24
luke-jrslonopotamus: everyone is afraid to say the truth09:24
meceIt's out there.09:24
luke-jrit's in here!09:24
slonopotamusso. do we have n8x0 3d drivers yet? :)09:24
luke-jrslonopotamus: the truth is: you want to mail me your N90009:25
meceok so how the frak do I get a label background in an eventbox to be transparent in a cairo context?09:25
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Xisdibikis it really not possible to delete one event of a reoccuring event on the calender??09:27
slonopotamusXisdibik, afaik, no.09:28
Xisdibikno its not possible or no im wrong it is possible? :p09:28
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slonopotamusXisdibik, impossible09:31
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mecehas anyone spotted some sales figures for the N900 ?09:36
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mecepupnik_, where?09:39
mecepupnik_, and what did they say?09:40
pupnik_i didn't sai that I did09:40
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pupnik_enabled x pointer helps target small links in browser10:13
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Macerhave to change up my raid10:28
Macerfinally got the damn thing empty :)10:28
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Xisdibikis anyone here using MfE instead of imap?10:47
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crashanddiedneary: I need your strength11:40
dnearycrashanddie, It's yours11:40
* dneary bestows superhuman strength on crashanddie11:41
Myrttioh god I hate bugs.maemo.org11:41
crashanddiedneary: donne moi la force de ne pas tuer la plupart des utilisateurs de tmo11:41
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dnearycrashanddie, Je crois qu'il y a des francophones sur tmo aussi11:41
JimiDiniMyrtti: server or content? ;)11:41
MyrttiJimiDini: searching for content11:42
crashanddiec'est pas ca le probleme, mais serieusement les conneries qu'ils sortent a la minute est absolument incroyable11:42
JimiDiniMyrtti: ah… good-ol' bugzilla ui ;)11:42
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Damion2oh wow a real soliloquy11:49
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alteregoHrm, using gstreamer and rendering to a GtkDrawingArea looks crap when you use the task switcher :(12:03
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wazdhello maemo12:12
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dnearycrashanddie, Quels conneries en particulier?12:17
dnearyhi wazd12:17
crashanddiedneary: bah juste le fait qu'ils critiquent les modos d'avoir balance quelques threads dans off-topic12:18
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dnearycrashanddie, Lesquels?12:20
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dneary(faut que tu sache que je vais à Talk qd qqn m'indique un thread intéressant seulement)12:21
crashanddiedneary: pas vraiment interessant mais bon:
crashanddietu mattes le match entre federer et tsonga?12:21
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dnearynan au boulot12:22
dnearyc koi le score?12:22
crashanddiefirst set for federer, 6-212:22
crashanddiesecond set, federer in lead, 2-1 (15-30)12:22
inzDo you need a scores app for maemo?12:23
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inzThe score could move from left side to right side constantly for authenticity12:24
jon1012tiens des francais12:24
inz"It's just like you were there"12:24
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crashanddiedepends, if it only works for tennis, not much interest12:24
crashanddiehowever if you get something that would be able to work for most sports...12:24
crashanddiethen you might have a magical app12:24
inzWell, I've ever only parsed the scores for finnish SM-Liiga and those of NHL12:25
inzHmm, I'm broken :(12:25
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crashanddiejon1012: ni dneary ni moi sommes francais, il habite labas et moi j'ai vecu 10 ans en france -- maintenant j'habite a brisbane12:25
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jon1012oki :)12:26
dnearyjon1012, I'm a Paddy12:26
jon1012paddy ?12:26
dnearycrashanddie, Looking like it's heading to a 3 set defeat, or is it close?12:26
dnearyjon1012, Irishman12:27
crashanddienot really, federer is just jogging around the court and not having too much trouble12:27
crashanddiebut hey, tsonga surprised me more than once12:28
crashanddieeven though he played a 5 setter last night until very late, and federer went to bed around 9PM12:28
jon1012dneary: oh ok12:30
crashanddiejon1012: which means he has a funny accent whether he speaks english or french!12:31
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dnearyjon1012, Unlike our Belgian friend Anddie12:35
crashanddieoy, except for the irish accent, I've mastered nearly every accent there is :P12:36
jon1012belgians have strange accents too :P12:36
crashanddiejon1012: i'm not your average belgian ;)12:37
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crashanddiedneary: 2 first sets for federer, 6-2, 6-312:41
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dnearycrashanddie, Looks like Tsonga's soon going to be Tsongone12:44
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zaheermyou guys are behind12:45
zaheermhe lost a while ago12:45
* RST38h moos12:45
dnearyzaheerm, final score?12:45
zaheerm3 sets to love12:45
zaheermfederer at home asleep already12:46
zaheerm6-3 final set i believe12:46
zaheerm6-2 even12:46
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zaheermi was watching it since 8:3012:46
* GeneralAntilles yawns.12:46
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RST38hhelo hrw12:49
* alterego wonders if Nokia has done deals to stick N900 ads on any page with 'apple' or 'ipad' or 'iphone' etc.12:49
RST38his it?12:50
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dnearyhi hrw12:53
dnearyGoing to FOSDEM?12:53
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hrwdneary: you too?12:59
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alteregoWell, work might be buying me an N900...13:00
alteregoI demo'd an application I wrote in my lunch break yesterday, and they seem, well, very impressed.13:00
alteregoThey want me to finish it. But I had to give the N900 back to my brother. ^.^13:00
* alterego crosseds fingers.13:01
bfreeyippee, my first thing compiled for and run on the N900.   just a simple single C file cli program (gcc -l crypto) but I used rather then messing with that massive non-free sdk with a eula ;-)13:01
hrwalterego: what your app does?13:02
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dnearyhrw, Yup13:02
dnearyhrw, I'm involved in the embedded devroom13:02
hrwdneary: cool, have to meet then13:02
hrwdneary: where embedded room is this year?13:02
alteregohrw: it'll be sold, and to gov't bodies. So it will never be public.13:03
dnearyhrw, Erm... one of the classrooms?13:03
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Damion2I tried to play a video last night and it worked at first but then decided to lock my device up, screen went black and flashed slightly lit grey fullscreen and back to black about every second13:03
dnearyThe schedule's only just finalised. No OpenEmbedded presentatioons (no-one submitted one)13:03
dnearyThere are 2 or 3 Maemo presentations13:03
Damion2nothing I did got any response, not Ctrl-BS not holding power for 30ish seconds, I had to use the battery13:03
alteregoI work for a company who develop CCTV systems, it's basically a camera control client for the N900/maemo/mobile phones.13:03
hrwdneary: looks like same as last year13:04
hrwdneary: I mean room13:04
alteregoIt displays video sent over packet data and gives you full movement telemetry control.13:05
dnearyhrw, Is it a good one?13:05
sejoif you come to FOSDEM join the beerevent!13:06
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hrwdneary: harder to reach but quite big13:06
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crashanddiedneary: 2 match points for federer13:07
amigadavedneary: will you have some free time at FOSDEM to talk about (developer) documentation?13:07
crashanddietsonga just did a beautiful play13:07
sejolameere is a good room13:07
sejo500 seats13:07
dnearyamigadave, Yes13:08
dnearyamigadave, Good to see you here - can we have a chat after lunch?13:08
crashanddiefederer wins, 3 sets to 0, 6-2, 6-3, 6-213:08
amigadavedneary: sure, i'll be around13:08
TriztFromWorksilly question, any good way to do so that big file transfers and unarchive tar files won't make the n900 unresponsive? (the cpu load is 100% all the time and you can't do anything until it's finished with the file)13:08
dnearycrashanddie, Get with the news - zeenix told us that 15 mins ago :)13:08
dnearyamigadave, Great!13:08
crashanddieI'm looking at it live right now13:08
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zaheerms/zeenix/zaheerm :P13:09
sejozaheerm weren't you a gentoo dev at a certain time?13:09
zaheermcrashanddie, it finished a long time ago13:09
zaheermsejo, yes13:09
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crashanddiezaheerm: so what am I looking at?13:09
zaheermcrashanddie, a delayed transmission13:10
* crashanddie is confused13:10
zaheermi watched it live13:10
Damion2has anyone else had the flashing screen lockup ?13:10
sejoDamion2: sorry no13:10
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zaheermit finished about an hour ago13:11
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zaheermsejo, i am still in #gentoo-desktop and #gentoo-media13:11
sejozaheerm: cool13:11
Damion2Sargun: re: "Since the N900 has both a FM receiver, and transmitter, can we use the receiver to find open channels?"13:11
Damion2Sargun: that's genious13:11
Damion2sadly the receiver insists on a pair of headphones for an aerial13:12
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GeneralAntillesAutoscanning is going to be slow and hit-n-miss anyway.13:16
Damion2well it's a non starter due to needing headphones in my case, but I like not having to search myself13:17
Damion2still the 108 hack might help, not been in the car for ages though, I have to pay to drive as I live within the congestion zone13:17
* zerojay resumes posting to Maemo Eats!13:19
alteregoI was thinking you should select a frequency, and it makes sure it's not got anything on it before it selects it.13:20
alteregoNo need to scan.13:20
GeneralAntilleszerojay, I've missed a lot of good ones lately.13:22
zerojaySame here, but I'm going to make up for it.13:23
zerojayNow that my replacement is here.13:23
Damion2has anyone used the receiving SMS messages in RDS app ?13:23
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Damion2people say not to accept updates when you enable the more test/dev repositories.  But I can't remember if the apps needing updating are only available from those repositories, perhaps I should be letting them update?13:27
Damion2I'll check details incase it's also pulling in loads of newer libs which will break stuff13:27
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: you ought to be sleeping mate13:27
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, just got up.13:27
crashanddieat 6?13:27
crashanddiewhat time is it?13:27
GeneralAntilles6:30 AM13:27
crashanddieit's saturday mate13:27
GeneralAntillesFriday. . . .13:27
alteregoDamion2: I'd try and be safe and use the commandline for updating if you're using extras-devel, testing isn't so bad.13:28
ifreq1:30 PM friday13:28
crashanddiezerojay: hello mate13:28
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crashanddieifreq: 9:30PM friday... it'll be saturday very soon for me ;)13:28
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GeneralAntillesDamion2, disable them before you do your updates.13:29
Damion2if I disable them then the update request goes away13:30
Damion2well for some.  I need a way to remember/know which were from extras-devel in the 1st place13:30
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: those "omfg off-topic hate abuse" users are getting the better part of me13:30
zerojaycrashanddie: Yo.13:30
alteregoAnyone have issues with Conversations and MSN?> It seems to be dropping a lot of incoming messages :(13:31
crashanddiezerojay: sup dog?13:31
crashanddiezerojay: long time no see13:31
zerojaycrashanddie: Long time, no working N900. :)13:31
crashanddieso, since when do you need an n900 to get online?13:32
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, a small taste of what it feels like to be on the council. ;)13:32
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zerojaylol... I don't... been busy with other projects in the meantime such as my PS3 emulator setup which got released.13:32
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, geneven's been dogging my every word on Talk for the past 2 years.13:32
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: No exageration there.13:33
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crashanddieCommunity (17 viewing) ... Last post: "Please keep off" by CrashandDie13:33
zerojayI'm totally serious. This dude has a hard-on for Gen.13:34
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, the little troll that associates anybody providing leadership on with communist dictatorships.13:34
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crashanddieyou have those everywhere13:34
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GeneralAntillesHe's particularly tireless, though.13:34
jebbahey, you guys want all debian etch apps that compile uploaded to the builder?13:34
crashanddieI still believe that one suggestion that was made when OrangeBox was being particularly difficult was excellent13:35
crashanddiemodify the forum so that a "banned" user can still browse, access and use the forum as normal13:35
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crashanddiehe sees each and every post as anyone else13:35
crashanddiehowever, anyone else sees all but his posts13:35
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, that's just cruel.13:35
zerojayblackholing him? Awesome.13:36
crashanddieeffective though13:36
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zerojayIt would take a while for him to realize too.13:36
crashanddieI'm guessing mods should be allowed to see his posts though13:36
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crashanddieif he turns good due to the lack of responses, he should be unbanned13:36
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, all the more incentive not to be a mod. ;)13:37
crashanddieI'm tempted to post a thread in General announcing that we've done it13:37
crashanddieand that all the following users have been added to the beta test: nobody will see their posts for the next month13:38
crashanddie{insert big list of vocal users}13:38
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* GeneralAntilles notes that qgil's post about Maemo 6 said exactly nothing of value.13:38
hrwGeneralAntilles: where?13:38
RST38hGeneral: It is his job to say things without saying anything of value.13:39
RST38hGeneral: Well, to me this sounds like "let us wait until Maemo6 SDK alpha and complain then"13:40
RST38hWhich is fine with me personally.13:41
hrwGeneralAntilles: thx13:41
GeneralAntillesRST38h, I just can't believe that they're going to take their first push into the mainstream market (which has been huge) then PUNISH all of those users for it.13:41
GeneralAntillesRST38h, it's just so, idiotic. . . .13:41
RST38hGeneral: happened before.13:41
crashanddienot mainstream13:42
RST38hGeneral: And even before the infamous Diablo/Fremantle shift: check Nokia's history of releasing S60e1, S60e2, S60e3, S60e3fp1, etc13:42
crashanddiethere's a huge difference between punishing 28k n800 users13:42
alteregoI reckon, m6 will be available for N90013:42
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, the N900 is a much more sizable release than any previous Maemo device.13:42
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crashanddieand punishing 243k n900 users13:42
GeneralAntillesYet they're screwing all of those users in less than a year.13:42
alteregoUnfortunately, it'll probably feel like a downgrade to a lot of people;13:42
RST38hcrash: Nokia has no problem punishing mainstream users, check history of S60 releases13:42
zerojaywhat's the package providing multiuser chat again?13:42
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, your numbers suck.13:42
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, 770 sold 50k units13:42
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RST38hThe policy is "You want newer software => buy a new handset and make us some money"13:43
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GeneralAntillesN800 sold 300k units by /August 2007/13:43
GeneralAntillesWhich was right as the price drop was hitting.13:43
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: don't care about the real numbers, just trying to draw a picture13:43
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, your picture sucks.13:43
crashanddienever been a good drawer13:43
zerojayGeneralAntilles: That's pretty damn impressive any way you slice it.13:43
GeneralAntilleszerojay, indeed.13:43
hrwRST38h: they still have 2-3 versions of s60 in new cellphones13:44
alteregoGeneralAntilles: it stings more for normal users (like my brother) who took out a 18 month (worse for 24 month) contract)13:44
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GeneralAntilleszerojay, when you factor in the N800 and N810 price drops that's a lot of units.13:44
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: I just halved the numbers...13:44
hrwRST38h: v3fp1, v3fp2, v513:44
GeneralAntilleshrw, S60 is a joke.13:44
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GeneralAntilleshrw, Nokia isn't justified in translating S60's business practices to Maemo.13:44
RST38hhrw: Exactly13:44
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RST38hhrw: And these are not quite compatible13:44
hrwGeneralAntilles: so far it has more usefull apps then maemo5 has13:44
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GeneralAntillesThey should be appropriately crucified for attempting to do so.13:44
GeneralAntilleshrw, it's also been around for a million goddamn years.13:44
RST38hGeneral: They are being themselves, not translating anything13:44
GeneralAntilleshrw, and been marketed, and produce in volume, etc.13:45
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hrwGeneralAntilles: sure13:45
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crashanddielol... "This news update is brought to you by the Australian Open Ballkids." Newsreader: "A pedophile has been arrested earlier last week at the Australian Open games, police has announced"13:45
RST38hAnyway, I doubt it is Quim's decision to keep or break Maemo6 compatibility with N900, so taking shots at the messenger is not gonna help13:45
hrwRST38h: there has to be someone who can be shot by community13:46
crashanddiehrw: thanks for volunteering13:46
GeneralAntilleshrw, they're hiding in the cathedral.13:46
RST38hhrw: If you shoot 'em all, who is gonna deliver the next Maemo?13:46
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GeneralAntilleshrw, although I'm in favor of taking shots at Anssi on principle.13:47
zaheermit's worse for symbian device purchasers13:47
* RST38h agrees with General here13:47
Damion2what does 2H2010 mean ?13:47
Damion2oh 2nd half13:47
Damion2that's bollocks13:47
zaheermthey never got upgrades between s60v3 and v3fp1 or v3fp1 -> v3fp213:47
GeneralAntillesDamion2, Christmas.13:47
zerojayRST38h: Good work on the xchat update, btw.13:47
Damion2well aer nokia famous for not slipping?13:47
zaheermxmas announcement, shlves spring 2011?13:47
Damion2zaheerm: yeah that sounds more likely13:48
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hrwGeneralAntilles: agreed13:48
GeneralAntillesRST38h, I really want to know who's behind it.13:48
GeneralAntillesRST38h, my suspicion is that it's higher up than Ari.13:48
Damion2which means we have about another year of n900 and I dont think nokia will no no work at all, I also don't see porting non multi touch apps between two builds is hard, if anything it's quite a trivial build rule, so supporting n900 for the next few years is likely13:48
GeneralAntillesRST38h, but if it IS Ari. . . .13:48
GeneralAntillesDamion2, don't be naive. ;)13:49
Damion2seriously though we'll almost certainly be able to compile M6 at least for a chroot within M5 and loads of apps should work13:49
alteregoRST38h: taking shots at the messenger? HE didn't really deliver any kind of messaage though :P13:49
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hrwDamion2: maemo5 will get 1-2 updates and will get end of support in 2010 due to maemo6 device release13:50
hrwthats my opinion13:50
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ali1234best hope is that M6 supports ofono, which means Mer will finally be able to make phone calls13:50
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alteregohrw: well, that's the pessimistic view. The poiint is,no one knows anything I doubt even they know yet. Hence the talk about the SDK's.13:51
GeneralAntillesDamion2, I expect Mer could provide effective support.13:51
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: it's not Ari13:51
GeneralAntillesDamion2, however, that doesn't help normal people.13:51
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hrw770 was EOL after n800 release, n800 had support durin n810 life due to being same hw basically. and n8x0 got killed before n900 release even13:51
alteregoBecause nothing is concrete as far as functionality is concerned to them. They can't say if there's not going to be something fundamentally different.13:51
Damion2normal people on contracts get upgraded every 12 months anyway13:51
ali1234the thing about normal people is that they are totally OK with buying a new phone every year13:51
alteregoThey can't say anything about "well, we want to be able to release m6 for N900" because they just don't know yet.13:51
hrwDamion2: my phone contract is 2 years not year13:52
Damion2most of the people I know don't pay for phones beyond the monthly fee and get a new phone roughly that frequently13:52
Damion2hrw: where do you live?13:52
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: but it's not coming from above him either13:52
alteregoDamion2: UK contracts seem to all be 18-24 months now ..13:52
Damion2alterego: when did they start doing that?13:52
hrwDamion2: Poland13:52
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GeneralAntilleshrw, funny thing is, N900 is going to be in the same situation with whatever's next.13:52
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GeneralAntillesSame damn hardware13:52
alteregoDamion2: money? smartphones are a lot more expensive now realy.13:52
Damion2hrw: they have phones in poland?  We're all shown shows on telly where it's all black and white and you queue for potatoes13:52
GeneralAntillesExcept, oh wait, we're putting multitouch into SO MUCH of our UI that we can't support the N900.13:53
GeneralAntillesPlease, get the fuck out of here.13:53
Damion2alterego: well the 9210 was 900quid, the e90 was 750quid and the n97 and n900 were 500quid13:53
Damion2spot a pattern ?13:53
crashanddieDamion2: please don't assume your ignorance has spread to the rest of the crowd13:53
Damion2hrw: I'm kidding.  I work with many polish people here :)13:53
alteregoErm .. economy?13:53
GeneralAntillesalterego, the thing that keeps me from being more resigned about this is capacitive.13:54
hrwDamion2: but we drive proper side of road and know how to use 1 tap to get warm water ;D13:54
* RST38h does not see too much usage for multitouch in ui13:54
GeneralAntillesEven if I say "OK, N900 is going to be dropped like a ton of bricks, whatever, I'll just use the next thing."13:54
hrwRST38h: especially on small screen13:54
GeneralAntillesIt's capacitive, and I hate capacitive.13:54
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Damion2hrw: some of us have single taps!  but yeah my american friends wonder wtf we're doing with that13:54
alteregoGeneralAntilles: sure, but what can they do with it?13:54
RST38hhrw: well I cant even think of scenarios13:55
alteregoGeneralAntilles: sure, me too, a good reason to not get the next iteration ^.^13:55
Jaffahrw: Indeed. Even the much lauded pinch gesture is clumsy and fairly gimmicky on a 3.5" screen, IMHO13:55
hrwDamion2: thats because you visited normal countries to see how useful it is ;D13:55
Damion2I'm not buying some shitty no keyboard non resistive iphone attempt13:55
alteregoAnd from my exposure to the N900 over the past couple of weeks, well, I think it's a device that could last me a couple of years easily :)13:55
GeneralAntillesalterego, I expect their marketing people have decided that every operation will require two fingers on the screen.13:55
viszalterego, until you drop it on the floor13:55
alteregovisz: price would have bottomed by that point ;)13:56
RST38hOh wait13:56
GeneralAntillesJaffa, worse than that. It's IS gimmicky.13:56
bfreein Ireland N900 contract is 18 months (and not available at all on the cheaper contracts only "special" data contracts) ... and I think the trend really started with the iPhone13:56
hrwGeneralAntilles: btw - do you know what eats ram on n900 that browser 'is unable to do anything due to low memory'?13:56
RST38hGeneral: brilliant!13:56
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GeneralAntilleshrw, dunno, haven't experienced it.13:56
RST38hONE finger for SELECTION, TWO fingers for SCROLLING!!!13:56
GeneralAntillesRST38h, add one finger to each.13:56
SpeedEvilthree fingers to enter text!13:56
hrwSpeedEvil: no, 21!13:56
* RST38h has seen the light now. Expecting Nokia ninjas with axes any time now13:56
SpeedEvilI have used 513:57
alteregoI always thought multi-touch was just a bit of an enhancement for somethings, it's not a whole new unique way of interacting with the OS. Though, they might be thinking of doing something similar to MS surface type system interfacing.13:57
SpeedEvilthe Agenda13:57
RST38hhrw: Can capacitive touchscreen really recognize the appendice you are touching it with?13:57
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GeneralAntillesalterego, according to Nokia, you're wrong.13:57
alteregoGeneralAntilles: according to Quim, they don't know ^.^13:58
hrwRST38h: no idea13:58
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zashRST38h: can it be calculated from size/shape?13:58
zaheermthey don't want you to know != they don't know13:58
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alteregoRST38h: no, but with a front facing camera aswell ... :D13:58
GeneralAntillesRST38h, by the way, did mgedmin bug you about FBReader's inability to sleep properly?13:59
SpeedEvilWe need to figure out who is the key descisionmakers in nokia who might promote maemo 5 on n900 - and get them into an ultimate fighting program.13:59
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Jaffaalterego: Yeah, but they'll put in a front-facing camera and then turn it off in s/w because it's shit.13:59
mgedminno, I forgot13:59
RST38hThis leads us directly to the highly academic question of capacitance of your fingers compared to capacitance of your penis...13:59
SpeedEvilRST38h: I also forgot to bug you13:59
SpeedEvil(about that)13:59
GeneralAntilleszaheerm, indeed, it's the fact, they just don't want to come right out and say it.13:59
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Damion2Jaffa: it looks fine in gtalk13:59
RST38hGeneral: It does not sleep? Really?14:00
GeneralAntillesRST38h, !14:00
SpeedEvilRST38h: I really want a touch device that can work out which finger you touch it with.14:00
SpeedEvilRST38h: it wakes every second14:00
* RST38h keeps FBReader running for days, seems to work ok14:00
SpeedEvilRST38h: or is it half second14:00
JaffaDamion2: That's the official reason it's not properly enablable from within a VoIP call14:00
GeneralAntillesRST38h, what SpeedEvil said.14:00
RST38hSpeedEvil: May be the clock. Ok, iwill check14:00
alteregoJaffa: actually, I don't thinikm the front facing camera is as bad as I thought it was.14:00
alteregoAfter streaming it to my laptop earlier this week. The quality looked quite resepctiable at QCIF14:00
GeneralAntillesRST38h, ah, good thinking.14:00
zaheermGeneralAntilles, that is to be expected though, don't see google or apple letting people know so much14:00
alteregoJaffa: I thought that was because the h264 DSP codec isn't finished.14:01
SpeedEvilalterego: were you in good light?14:01
alteregoWell, that was my estimation ...14:01
SpeedEvilalterego: in sunlight - it's actually quite OK.14:01
GeneralAntillesRST38h, yeah, that appears to be it.14:01
alteregoSpeedEvil: no, I'll admit it is a bit dark, but then the main camera seems a bit dark to me too ...14:01
SpeedEvilalterego: teh main camera however can get recognisable pictures in stupidly low light14:02
alteregoYeah, well, it seemed to cope "okay" going through a brightnessfilter.14:02
GeneralAntillesSo the clock shouldn't update when the screen's off or it's in the background.14:02
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SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: or more trivially - every 30s14:03
SpeedEvilbut the previous would be good too14:03
zerojayhuh. Google's working perfectly over mail for exchange.. email too.14:04
SpeedEvilAnother minor issue has been it's hard to pop out the 'menu' button from fullscreen without turning page.14:04
RST38hGeneral: You turn off the clock and it stops?14:05
SpeedEvilAnd the fullscreen button is annoying with portrait text upside down and touch-screen-paging - as it obscures the top-left of the text14:05
crashanddieLMAO, They're playing "The Core"14:06
alteregoHeh, I bet the next tablet is an iPad like deevice.14:06
alteregoLarger, and unable to make phone calls.14:06
crashanddieAs long as they don't screw up the name so bad14:06
alteregoFirefox devs have already disabled flash :P14:06
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GAN900RST38h, as far as I can tell by monitoring top for a minute or so.14:07
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Damion2Jaffa: well before 1.1 the driver or something was awful.  The mirror app makes it look dreadful, same with mplayer14:10
Damion2however if you switch /dev/video1 and 0 around and run mirror the better camera also looks blotchy and awful14:10
threshit was a bug in the driver, true14:10
Damion2I suspect a lot is the various v4l2 ioctls against the device node14:10
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Damion2the mirror isn't doing anything and whatever gtalk video is using makes it seem pretty okay14:11
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SpeedEvilmplayer on the main camera looks good IMO14:11
SpeedEvilvery good14:11
SpeedEvilmplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video014:12
hrwSpeedEvil: because camera is good14:12
SpeedEvilI mean WRT 'blocky'14:12
SpeedEvilthe same with video1 looks bad.14:12
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SpeedEvilunless you're in the brightest light14:12
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SpeedEvilmplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0:width=320:height=240 -vf eq=77:100,eq=10:100,eq=50:100,scale=160:120,denoise3d=8:6:22,eq=0:9914:14
SpeedEvil - comedy night vision mode for the main cam14:14
SpeedEvilin low-light - you may need to press 3 or 4 to tune brightness14:14
Damion2SpeedEvil: try comparing camera app and mplayer14:14
plastunhello! Is there any 'Web Uploader' to Extras as 'Uploader to extras-devel'?14:14
SpeedEvilDamion2: you mean mirror/14:14
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SpeedEvilhaven't installed14:14
Damion2SpeedEvil: mplayer, I've just compared and there is a difference14:15
* SpeedEvil is not properly awake14:15
Damion2let me try your 2nd line14:15
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SpeedEvilDamion2: that only works in very dark environments14:15
dvoiddoes ovi store use deb packages?  or does it use some home grown stuff installed in a chroot environment or something?14:15
SpeedEvilor you might try knocking off a couple of the eq, lines at the start14:15
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Damion2SpeedEvil: also the main camera has fewer artifacts in the 1st place too14:16
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Damion2so less to go bad.  Point is I'm not 100% convinced the camera is that awful, did Nokia intentionally pick a cheap crap?  It seems more likely to be the same as in the n97 or somesuch14:17
Damion2mirror makes both look awful, mplayer on the main cam is not as good as camera app so some software brightnest/contract effort has gone in to the code14:17
SpeedEvilVGA cameras are typically under a dollar14:17
SpeedEvilin volume14:17
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Damion2so why use shit?  is this just still more kernel driver issues?14:18
SpeedEvilThe spec is not as bad as the performance seems to be.14:18
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hrwDamion2: because nokia likes to use shitty chips14:18
SpeedEvilAt least what is available as the spec14:18
hrwDamion2: my suspection is that they got few thousands of free samples as bonus when ordered other chips14:18
SpeedEvilDamion2: because if you can save half a dollar and 30mm^3 in size on each unit...14:18
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RST38hWhy everyone thinks that the camera is awful?14:19
RST38hIt is as good as cell phone cameras come14:20
SpeedEvilRST38h: the main cam?14:20
alteregoRST38h: agreed.14:20
RST38hNo it is not a replacement for your dedicated digital camera14:20
SpeedEvilRST38h: I don't think it's bad14:20
SpeedEvilRST38h: I think it's regrettably oversold on pixel count lies - but there is no escaping that.14:20
RST38hUses tiny sensor and the optics are close to those of pinhole camera :)14:20
SpeedEvilthe front cam I think is bad14:20
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wazddamn, I really want to shake hand of the maemo 5 theme architect14:20
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crashanddiefirst time I called godwin's law on tmo14:20
RST38hwazd: Maemo5 comes with two themes14:20
SpeedEviland you can get better VGA cameras for around a couple of dollars.14:21
RST38hcrash: So, who was the fascist this time?14:21
wazdRST38h: I mean the whole theming algorythm14:21
RST38hwazd: Ah14:21
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alteregoI'd quite like to look into maemo5 theming at some point/.14:21
jaw_vvdanyone know status on vsync/tearing issues on the N900?14:22
alteregoBack on to the m6 support, tbh I'm more worried about them "locking down" the future devices.14:22
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wazdRST38h: actually his left foot cause he really did this magnificent job with it14:22
alteregoI think the N900 will be the last great hacker dream device. And the next ones will be pushed into operator branding hell.14:22
alteregoBut seriously .. What a device :)14:24
Milo-cool, the turn by turn navigation works in maemo ovi maps, but it should have voice guiding14:24
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, gotta love Benny. :rolleyes:14:24
alteregoGeneralAntilles: I don't know if you replied yesterday. And I feel really bad for bugging you .. But .. device queue news? Is there somewhere I should be looking to stay up to date. You always seem to have your finger on the pulse ;)14:25
GeneralAntillesalterego, Quim hasn't added anything new since he said he was getting devices.14:25
wazdRST38h: cause after all these bugs I have more annoyance than pleasure of making themes for maemo 514:25
bfreealterego: I'm more worried about what they have "locked down" on the N900.   if it was fully Free who would care about when nokia ends their "support"14:25
RST38hwazd: I am sure the right foot has been working on Modest then14:25
* SpeedEvil wants docs on cams.14:25
crashanddieI want qgil to spend more time in IRC14:26
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crashanddieI don't feel he's a community manager anymore14:26
alteregobfree: there's nothing that's locked down on the N900, ass long as we continue to use their kernel. We have full access to all the system.14:26
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, he's prioritized on other stuff.14:26
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, the council picked up a lot of his duties.14:26
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I'd like to have a more dedicated community manager position at Nokia.14:26
crashanddiehe's barely involved in most topics, spends most time in developer or chess threads, and that's right about it14:26
SpeedEvilalterego: not really. there are undocumented constants and stuff in some areas.14:27
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I'm a bit worried that some of those idiots on Talk were the source of that.14:27
SpeedEvilalterego: or at least I haven't found docs. For example - the camera specs14:27
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alteregoSpeedEvil: sure, but that's the fun of investigation. development would be so boring if we didn't have to figure stuff out ourselves and hack it :)14:27
* Jaffa is kinda glad the council don't seem to be running with his suggestions - gives me a platform to run with (qgil's duties -> council -> ???)14:27
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, maybe the whole "Nokia should keep its hands off the community"14:27
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: well, the community is slowly losing some of the most influential people it had14:28
wazdSeriously, is there still a vacancy for UI designer at Maemo Team?14:28
crashanddiewazd: unless you're prepared to move to Finland, don't bother applying14:28
wazdcrashanddie: well, why not? :)14:29
crashanddiewazd: who at nokia do you know?14:29
wazdcrashanddie: mm, Ed Bartosh, Timofey Turenko14:30
wazdEero :D14:30
crashanddiewazd: call them, get the name of the manager of the UI team, make a nice cover letter explaining you're a highly motivated individual, and ask your contacts to organise a lunch with the guy14:30
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alteregocrashanddie: that's genius :)14:31
wazdcrashanddie: sounds like a plan :D14:31
crashanddieif you already know said manager, fly over and have lunch with him, and discuss the position, be open about the fact you're willing to relocate, and be open about the fact you know the position is open and whatnot14:31
crashanddieyou'd be amazed how much can be achieved by a simple phone call or a lunch14:31
threshbut hey it's Finland14:31
threshbooooring country14:31
Milo-thresh doe14:32
crashanddiewell, wazd is in Russia, so more like an upgrade than a downgrade14:32
alteregowazd: where's your home now?14:32
threshat least it's not boring here14:32
alteregoAh, hah14:32
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TomaszDGeneralAntilles, hi, how's that cloak coming along? :)14:32
wazdI'm pretty bored here :D14:32
threshwazd: finished the uni?14:32
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Milo-nothing boring about finland14:32
threshexcept living there14:33
Milo-it is very exciting to travel using public transportation14:33
TomaszDwazd, make a beautiful icon for Extra Decoders Support then, 48x48px transparent, black background compatible14:33
crashanddiewazd: I told my manager I was bored in my current job, and that I didn't get along so well with the new tech lead, 2 months later and now I'm in Australia, relocation paid by the company, and a brand new job14:33
ShadikkaHow is Finland boring? :P14:33
Milo-you can never know if you will arrive late, or if you get stabbed while sitting14:33
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threshit is ultimately boring14:33
PaulFertsercrashanddie: why do you think moving to FI from RU is an upgrade?14:34
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crashanddiefor someone who wants to be a designer and is interested in mobile?14:34
threshi work in a mobile company14:34
threshand we do need designers too from time to time ;P14:34
Milo-cool, the auto brightness works 8D14:35
wazdthresh: not quite, but I don't think engineer grade will make much sense in design field :P14:35
threshwazd: it will.14:35
crashanddiethere's no major mobile company in russia, the whole technological hub is in europe (compared to russia), it's a much better idea to get closer to europe than remain in russia14:35
Milo-though, inversed14:35
crashanddiePaulFertser: ^14:35
wazdthresh: but again, I haven't got enough money to pay the bribe for exam so I quit14:36
wazdthresh: it's russia, you know :)14:36
PaulFertsercrashanddie: to work for mobile companies? Hm... Well, for someone who wants to be a designer of silly end-user interfaces...14:36
crashanddiecareer wise it's still a better plan14:36
wazdPaulFertser: me? :P14:36
threshso either that's eletrotechnics, or i dunno14:37
crashanddieyou're better off being able to meet people rather than emailing them14:37
PaulFertserwazd: but really, i doubt nokia will allow you to do something you really want. Usually managers like stupid interfaces because they assume their users are stupid :|14:38
threshthat's true14:38
threshthey are14:38
PaulFertserReality sucks14:39
PaulFertserLiving here it's easier to ignore this fact ;)14:39
wazdPaulFertser: what's the point of hiring a man to design UI's and not allowing to do it the same time? :)14:39
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wazdPaulFertser: Most users are stupid - that's true14:40
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wazdPaulFertser: but there is a difference between "stupid" UI and "simple" UI14:40
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PaulFertserwazd: i do not remember seeing a simple UI that allowed me to be fast and precise. I guess it's mutually exclusive. Either it gives you power or it's simple.14:41
wazdPaulFertser: I don't think so14:42
PaulFertserwazd: got a counter-example?14:43
wazdPaulFertser: Look at the office Ribbon concept - it's really flexible and functional, but nice looking same time14:43
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lcukPaulFertser, you are mixing up configurability  - its entirely possible to use a simple stylus stroke to fly a virtual plane14:43
PaulFertserWhat's ribbon? The new UI in MSO? I do not see how to use MSO productively for almost any kind of task. I've written my papers with LaTeX, you know.14:43
PaulFertserlcuk: if you want to fly it cool, you need _many_ controls.14:44
lcukPaulFertser, use old style joysticks with only a few buttons and things.  your assumed complexity (gimp/blender etc) isnt needed14:45
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wazdor better this:
crashanddiePaulFertser: blender14:46
bfreealterego: to me using their kernel is not a long term option, for one thing security vulnerabilities do happen in the kernel.  and what about the phone and power management code.   as long as you are beholden to Nokia for updates to components required to sanely use the device I think complaints are valid about them dropping support.14:47
PaulFertserlcuk: you need manual control for the thrust, for the flaps, for airbrakes, steering, rudder, trimmers for everything etc etc14:48
PaulFertserlcuk: for efficient operation14:48
wazdPaulFertser: Planes have as good UI as it's possible14:50
PaulFertserwazd: ribbon ui is questionable. I can't see a usecase for that. For the actions i need to perform often i use shortcuts. For others rare actions i do not want to waste screen estate.14:51
wazdPaulFertser: you can close any block14:51
PaulFertserwazd: planes do have many controls, they're not supposed to be operable by morons. While nokia assumes their customers do not want to learn shortcuts even for the most important actions.14:52
wazdPaulFertser: and we're talking about newbie users, that don't use shortcuts14:52
PaulFertserwazd: after closing unneeded blocks the interface effectively becomes classic menu+small toolbar.14:52
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wazdPaulFertser: you're starting to troll btw :)14:52
PaulFertserwazd: newbie should learn shortcuts for the actions they do anyway?14:53
PaulFertserwazd: i'm never trolling.14:53
PaulFertserIf i ever do something simiral, that's unintentional.14:53
PaulFertserIt's just the way i think and talk.14:53
wazdPaulFertser: cause we're talking bout casual users and you say that "I use shortcuts"14:53
PaulFertserwazd: any non-moron uses shortcuts.14:54
wazdPaulFertser: troll again :D14:54
PaulFertserIt's not. I know that.14:54
wazdPaulFertser: I don't know any possible shortcut for Photoshop14:54
PaulFertserBecause you do not use it often.14:54
wazdPaulFertser: Cause there are hundreds14:54
tank-manctrl+s save :)14:54
wazdPaulFertser: so I guess I'm a moron14:55
Damion2ctrl-s is stop tty output14:55
glass_once you learn more than 15+ shortcuts you can't say that it's casual14:55
glass_it's like dating a woman for 30 years casually14:55
wazdglass_: I'm not a casual user indeed14:55
crashanddieglass_: that's called win14:55
crashanddiehaving a fuckbuddy for over 30 years?14:55
glass_not necessarely win14:55
glass_read a book or two14:55
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PaulFertserwazd: are you happy using photoshop's UI? It's more flexible and sane than the latest MSO's.14:56
glass_for start. the fuckbuddy would at least be 30 years older and still just a fuckbuddy14:56
crashanddieyou're not married are you?14:56
crashanddieit shows :D14:57
glass_but i envision myself havin sex with young girls when i'm old if i'm not married when i'm old14:57
crashanddieyou keep working on that ;)14:58
wazdPaulFertser: It's old14:58
PaulFertserwazd: have you used AutoCAD btw? It has very fast and efficient command line, many cool shortcuts and a lisp dialect. That's what i call a professional tool.14:58
wazdPaulFertser: and it's old cause it's for pro's14:58
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glass_but people i've known who've been very hyped up on having a fuckbuddy have done, hmm, not so well afterwards mostly14:58
ali1234what's MSO stand for?14:59
PaulFertserali1234: msoffice14:59
wazdPaulFertser: and MSO UI is really flexible and intuitive btw14:59
PaulFertserali1234: wazd is excited about its UI somehow...14:59
Damion2glass_: you'll have easier access to young girls if you're married with kids at school14:59
wazdPaulFertser: You've never used it, how can you judge14:59
wazdPaulFertser: troll again14:59
PaulFertserwazd: i did use it a little.14:59
wazdI quit14:59
PaulFertserwazd: but it's of no use for my purposes, honestly14:59
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glass_Damion2: then it wouldn't be gentleman-like anymore15:00
PaulFertserwazd: it can't number figures and tables and formulas...15:00
ali1234having a "flexible and intuitive" user interface is usually an indication that the program has no really unique functionality15:00
ali1234all the actually good programs out there have terrible UIs15:00
wazdali1234: pfff15:01
PaulFertserali1234: is emacs's UI terrible? I thought it's kind of logical and efficient...15:01
Damion2glass_: obviously they have to be over the legal age!  12 in loads of europe, 9 in yeman, 18 in the united states, land of the "free" ;)15:01
wazdali1234: I wouldn't even say how wrong you are15:01
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ali1234hahaha, yes, emacs UI is appalingly bad, the only worse text editors are vi and ed15:01
lcukwazd, he does have a point.15:01
ali1234UI wise that is, not to say they are bad software15:01
wazdlcuk: absolutely not15:01
ali1234but the UI is the exact opposite of intuitive15:01
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adeusI use emacs on my device15:02
lcukwazd, the most interesting program *for you* at the moment in the theme designer, its not simple to use15:02
lcukand you need high levels of skill to make themes15:02
lcuk(yes, im rubbing your halo)15:02
ali1234if you have any idea what you are actually trying to achieve, "inuitive" UIs nearly always just get in the way15:03
wazdlcuk: I don't use theme designer, I use PS15:03
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lcukps can output themes now?15:04
ali1234i bet it can, with imageready15:04
wazdlcuk: It can output .png file :)15:04
ali1234it probably isn't intuitive at all though15:04
ali1234i don't know how themes work though, is it lots of small files, or one big one?15:04
crashanddieit's just creating an image, then slicing it up15:04
wazdlcuk: then I use MADDE15:04
wazdcrashanddie: sure15:05
ali1234crashanddie: yeah, imageready does the "slicing up" part15:05
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lcukok, here is theme source code,  there is no intuitive ui to handle that correctly
crashanddieso PS is as good as any tool to create the theme15:05
wazdali1234: MADDE does it, along with packaging15:05
PaulFertserali1234: in my experience intuitive UI is almost always ineffective once you try to start being a "power user" of it.15:05
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ali1234i don't disagree at all15:06
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wazdlcuk: that's not the whole theme15:06
wazdlcuk: far from it15:06
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ali1234the photoshop killer feature is not the UI (dispite what the gimp haters say) - it is the fact it is integrated with all the other adobe suite15:06
wazdlcuk: it's like showing a car's body and say "that's a car"15:06
ali1234in fact even photoshop developers admit the UI is not up to scratch, with too many different "new and more intuitive than ever before" widgets cluttering it up15:07
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crashanddiewazd & lcuk: THAT'S A CAR:
wazdcrashanddie: that's an image of the car :P15:09
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wazdof a car with funny face btw :)15:10
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crashanddiewazd: most beautiful car in the world ;) (in my mind)15:14
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Damion2looks a lot like what Jaguar produce15:15
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_berto_gitorious is down15:16
_berto_the error message is "Guru meditation"15:16
adeusI just cloned my stuff from there15:16
juhovhthat's the old Amiga joke15:16
adeusmaybe it was too much15:17
lcukwazd - what would be the ideal ui to make the theme designer15:17
_berto_I'm sure amigadave knows what that is15:17
lcukso you dont have to use other outside tools15:17
* lcuk waves @ jonnylamb 15:17
jonnylambSo, is there any reason the extras fremantle builder isn't offering PR1.1 packages?15:18
jonnylambFor example, (PR1.1 has tp-glib 0.8.1).15:18
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wazdlcuk: Carbide.UI15:18
jonnylambIt *used* to, like
crashanddiewazd: it's just splendid design15:19
lcukX-Fade, is jonnylamb's problem explained anywhere?15:19
hrwjonnylamb: it was decided that maemo5 sdk will be Pr1.0 one for whole eternity15:19
fralsthink its on -devel ML, they downgraded builder15:19
wazdcrashanddie: yeah, looks cool15:20
wazdcrashanddie: face reminds me BMW 6 somehow15:20
wazdcrashanddie: don't know why exactly15:20
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timeless_mbpmy script can now digest stuff15:21
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tybolltmy n900 is likely busted. fricken sound issues again :-/15:21
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crashanddietimeless_mbp: it's called a stomach15:23
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lcukgitorious is down!15:29
* lcuk runs round in circles pulling hair out15:29
tybolltyou're missing the arm flapping and the random yelling... :)15:30
* lcuk flaps arms, pressed fire alarm button and jumps out of window15:31
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timeless_mbp<sp3000> wow, starting to sound like a Nokia affiliated service15:34
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wazdyou shoud pull the table on the side, take cover behind it and scream "GITORIOUS DOWN!, NEED BACKUP!"15:35
Damion2gitorious sounds worryingly close to cli....s15:36
Damion2I suspect that's deliberate15:36
* lcuk climbs back up the building, in the window, heaves a table onto its side and feebly mutters "gitorious down, nee......15:36
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, Maserati?!15:38
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, congratulations, any present and future opinions you have about cars are now voided. :P15:38
lcuktimeless, whats the url for your repo .install script - ill put the packages onto my other test machine15:38
zashwasn't git supposed to be distributed?15:39
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: they're good cars, very reliable, look good, and are reasonably priced15:39
GeneralAntillesMaserati is the ultimate combination of luxury and sports car compromise fail.15:39
threshexcept that you cant drive it on most of roads15:39
crashanddiewhat the hell kind of statement is that?15:39
crashanddiethresh: that is probably true15:40
crashanddiethresh: if you live in papua new guinea15:40
threshi actually almost do15:40
tybolltmissus says when the volvo kicks the buckit she'll opt for a maserati :)15:40
* thresh shares the country with wazd 15:40
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, it's a bad compromise between the two. Too much a sports car to match Mercedes for luxury, too much a luxury car to match BMW or Porsche for sport.15:41
fralslcuk: gitorious is up here ;o15:41
GeneralAntillesTomaszD, hush. Some people on the list have been waiting since early December. :P15:41
GeneralAntillesTomaszD, supposedly X-Fade is going to poke Freenode today. ;)15:41
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: mercedes provides the same kind of luxury as you get in a dentist's office. BMW only provides sport if you're a banker or wear sunglasses on a rainy day, and porsche has made some of the greatest cars over the years15:43
TomaszDGeneralAntilles, when I got this unaffiliated cloak a few years ago, I only had to wait a few minutes :P15:43
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: I didn't say it was the best car in the world, I said it was my favourite car in the world, huge difference15:43
adeusgitorious is alive again15:43
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, my two most favorite cars:
Damion2what about the dacier sandero ?15:43
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: same as people marrying a specific chic. I might think she's but-ugly, and someone else will love her ;)15:43
GeneralAntillesTomaszD, currently you're waiting on X-Fade to finish putting out fires. :)15:43
GeneralAntillesTomaszD, besides, I waited 18 months for my freaking cloak.15:43
crashanddieDamion2: if you're going to quote top gear, at least make sure you know the actual make of the car, it's dacia15:44
GeneralAntillesSince that's how long it took Freenode to process the group contact form.15:44
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TomaszDGeneralAntilles, next thing you tell me is to get off your lawn ;)15:44
GeneralAntillesTomaszD, I spent a year on the council and they managed to process it a month after I left.15:44
GeneralAntillesTomaszD, get off my lawn!15:44
* TomaszD gets off GeneralAntilles' lawn...15:44
amigadave_berto_: guru meditation, ah the memories :)15:44
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, oh, and quite possibly
GeneralAntillesAlthough it's AWD . . .15:45
GeneralAntillesOP WARS!15:45
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crashanddieah crap, cs pms you xD15:46
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GeneralAntilleswazd, what theme is that orange one?15:46
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Damion2crashanddie: paedant, I was just doing it phonetically as I cba to look it up15:47
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wazdGeneralAntilles: I guess15:50
GeneralAntilleswazd, is it your work, though?15:50
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wazdGeneralAntilles: no, AndrewFBlack's15:51
wazdGeneralAntilles: and nokia's15:51
GeneralAntilleswazd, ah, newer than the one in Extras? looks different.15:51
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AndrewFBlackI hear my naem15:51
wazdGeneralAntilles: seriously, I don't know15:51
GeneralAntilleswazd, lol, OK then.15:51
* GeneralAntilles likes it.15:52
Damion2I was also going to spell phonetically incorrectly, probably phonetically.  Nothing gets by you :)15:52
* crashanddie looks at the "Are there Maemo viruses" and shoots himself15:52
AndrewFBlackGeneralAntilles, what orange theme?15:53
wazdAndrewFBlack: if you know maemo 5 theme architect btw - thank him for me please15:53
GeneralAntilleswazd, think it was (at least partially) tigert.15:53
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I like the new Tegra thread.15:54
GeneralAntillesHooray NVIDIA fanboys.15:54
anprsup guys ?15:54
AndrewFBlackwazd, joking or for real lol?15:54
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AndrewFBlackWhat theme is GeneralAntilles talking about?15:55
wazdAndrewFBlack: for real ofcourse15:55
wazdAndrewFBlack: <- do you know how to fix this?15:56
AndrewFBlackyou mean the dark color?15:56
wazdAndrewFBlack: yep15:56
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AndrewFBlackwazd, just going to have to change the color on template if you want I can take a minute and find which on that is on template15:57
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wazdAndrewFBlack: I don't think that you'll find it15:58
wazdAndrewFBlack: I think it's hardcoded15:58
AndrewFBlackwazd, its not yours looks red to me and mine is black15:58
wazdit's kinda  brown15:59
AndrewFBlackwazd, I really wish there was more color settings15:59
AndrewFBlackbtw you still using theme maker?16:00
wazdAndrewFBlack: nope16:00
AndrewFBlackwazd, k me either16:00
AndrewFBlackI´ve goten several PMs on t.m.o in the last few weeks that basiclly say my old themes looked like crap but my new ones look really good... I guess I take that as a good thing lol16:01
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wazdAndrewFBlack: when a theme architect is choosing same color for both text on dark background and text on bright background - I have only one PM in my head16:02
wazdand a shadow btw16:02
dnearyamigadave, About?16:03
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amigadavedneary: yep16:14
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amigadavedneary: what should we do about the Extras consolidation, more information for developers like the suggestion on the mailing list?16:16
AndrewFBlackbtw is extras building themes right again yet?16:16
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dnearyI think there's a need for two distinct pages - one for users who want to add repositories and get extra apps, and one for users who want to distribute applicatiobns16:17
GeneralAntillesAndrewFBlack, Marina got built yesterday.16:17
dnearyAnd probably one more for "something's wrong, how can I figure out what, and get it fixed?" which will need Niels to be a little less busy so that we can quiz him16:18
amigadavesounds good, so we should split the pages and add a developers and users category to each?16:19
amigadavemaybe even move the developer information to packaging16:19
odin_I have setup a scratchbox host-gcc target, but it hasn't installed any packages (not even libc)16:22
odin_but when I did the same on freemoe it did install basic dpkgs16:22
dnearyamigadave, What do you think about separating "building & packaging" from "uploading and distributing"?16:23
dnearyI think I'm going to have to port an application to Maemo & try to go through the Extras process to see the problems people are having16:23
amigadavedneary: good idea, Debian packaging is a topic in and of itself16:23
dnearyI see so many fremantle extras builder issues, there's obviously some problems there16:24
amigadaveuploading is simple, the promotion process is currently a bit poorly-documented16:24
dnearyamigadave, The Packaging page is pretty good now16:24
dnearyAnd links to all the right sources16:24
amigadaveyeah, it's coming along :)16:24
dnearyIt's a merge of two pages16:24
amigadavei saw your edits, thanks16:24
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dneary I was going to work on renaming all the pages under PyMaemo not to use CamelCase and update the FOSDEM page with the latest info this afternoon, but I saw all the edits you've been doing the last couple of days, and wanted to let you know about a kind of TODO list for the wiki at "Maemowiki Action Group"16:26
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dnearyAlso - I've been thinking since the chat I had with Titta this week that it would be a good idea for me/us to start using Bugzilla for wiki & documentation bugs more than we have been16:27
amigadavedneary: yep, i have seen it, and i have fixed a few minor issues and generally adding links16:27
amigadavedneary: agreed, much easier to track stuff in bugzilla16:27
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SpeedEvil'moved to brainstorm' - it solves everything!16:28
thopiekardoes anyone of you whether its possible to intregrate pictures for example for pyqt4 ui's into the code?16:28
amigadavei see categorisation of pages as a priority, as it helps a lot with searching for related information16:28
dnearyamigadave, Yeah - I should keep that better updated :)16:31
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dnearyAlso better portal pages16:31
lizardodneary: sounds like a very good idea16:31
dnearyLooking at orphaned pages and trying to figure out where they should be linked helps16:31
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RST38hDeveloper documentation pages are still a mess btw16:31
dnearylizardo, Which one? All my ideas are very good ;)16:32
RST38hehlo Arkenoi16:32
amigadaveyeah, there are lots of pages that are orphans or only linked from one page16:32
lizardodneary: BTW, is there some page documenting the "writing conventions" you have been fixing on the wiki?16:32
amigadaveRST38h: any specifics, or just a general comment? :)16:32
lizardodneary: because I'd like to write well formatted wiki pages from start :)16:32
dnearylizardo, Specifically? The Maemowiki Action Group page has some guidelines, as does the "Contributing to the wiki" page linked at the top of every edit page16:33
lizardodneary: sorry, I was talking specifically about the snippet where you mentioned "PyMaemo" (which hilighted my xchat) :)16:33
dnearylizardo, Ah16:33
lizardodneary: I mean, things like "do not use camel case" or how to reference internal pages16:33
lizardodneary: thanks, that was what I need :)16:34
dneary(the Style section)16:34
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dnearyIn short, only proper nouns get a capital in a wiki page name16:35
dnearyamigadave, Do you know if there's a special page to identify all redirect errors?16:35
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GeneralAntillesdneary, "errors"?16:35
amigadavedneary: only the double redirect page, although running some tools over the wiki database would probably give more information16:35
dnearyGeneralAntilles, A redirect which points to a redirect page gives an error16:36
amigadavethere are tools that can give useful maps of orphaned or nearly-orphaned content16:36
dnearyIt can happen if (say) a page gets renamed for a naming convention, and then the renamed page gets merged with another page16:36
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dnearyYou should update the first redirect to point to the merged page16:36
dnearyamigadave, Yes - I've seen that16:37
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amigadavedneary: might be useful to make sure that pages don't go stale, but that should also improve naturally. i have been finding lots of gems of information and merging them where they belong16:37
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amigadavefor example, the Qt pages :)16:38
dnearylizardo, In short for pointing to any internal wiki pages, [[Page name]] is better than [] - the latter can leave Page name considered as an orphan page16:38
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dnearyamigadave, The Qt pages are particularly horrible for this reason:
povbotBug 3363: search does not find anything with short search terms16:39
lizardodneary: I also didn't know about the "/Page_name"  trick for subpages, we were always using "Pymaemo/Page_name"  ... I suppose you will be changing this while working on the PyMaemo pages ?16:39
dnearyamigadave, The best way to search for Qt content in the wiki is
crashanddienot just blind: NO EYES AT ALL16:40
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dnearylizardo, PyMaemo/Page_name is fine - /Page name is just shorter :)16:40
dnearyIt's the links that we need to "fix"16:40
amigadavedneary: agreed, but the main problem was the huge mess of duplicated information, now mostly in the right place16:40
amigadaveand some missing categories :)16:41
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dnearyamigadave, The duplicate info was happening because people were searching for existing pages & not finding them16:41
dnearyIn part16:41
amigadavedneary: and also a lot of the information was copied from the garage page wthiout checking16:42
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amigadavebut that's ok, it has now improved other documentation16:42
lizardodneary: in another topic: has it been decided what to do with pre-fremantle information ? will it be consolidated on some global wiki section , or should each project organize pre-fremantle pages on their own?16:42
dnearylizardo, That is a $64,000 question16:43
amigadaveand what do we do when harmattan documentation appears? :)16:43
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dnearyWhich is better, maintaining Fremantle/USB networking, Diablo/USB networking and Bora/USB networking, or having one USB networking page with 80% of the content referring to older platforms?16:44
dnearyamigadave, Titta was saying that usually you just archive away everything, and start anew for the new version with the old stuff, and update anything that needs updating16:44
dnearySo you would have different versions of the wiki for Harmattan, Diablo, Fremantle, ...16:45
SpeedEvilI would say - practically - 90% of people are going to be hitting it for hte n90016:45
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amigadaveyeah, the latest platform is the most-used, probably16:45
SpeedEvilIt would probably have made sense way back in september or so to fork it.16:45
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SpeedEvilAnd move * to old_*16:45
dnearySpeedEvil, That percentage changed16:45
infobotSpeedEvil meant: And copy * to old_*16:45
SpeedEvilyes, of course.16:46
lizardodneary: I would prefer putting old documentation out of way, but still easy to read16:46
murraycFind some way to get the old stuff out the way, I'd say.16:46
SpeedEvilAnd having the old documentation ont he main page means that it will get edited to match n90016:46
dnearySpeedEvil, If you look at web browser version migration, 6 months after the release of a new browser, 40% of users are still using the old one16:46
lizardosomething like :   PyMaemo/Howto  ->   Diablo/PyMaemo/Howto16:46
SpeedEvilby people not thinking about earlier devices16:46
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SpeedEvildneary: Sure - but - that's not the case by a release of a new mass-market device16:46
lizardoso everything related to diablo would be under
dnearyGiven that you need to buy new hardware to have Fremantle in your hands, it seems reasonable to me that a big chunk of the Maemo community are still on N800 and N81016:47
dnearylizardo, Sure, that makes sense16:47
dnearylizardo, But then, let's say there's a FAQ which affects both Diablo & Fremantle16:47
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amigadaveyeah, there is a lot of shared information16:47
dnearyDo we expect someone to add it to FAQ and Diablo/FAQ?16:48
hrwdneary: so maybe just use namespaces for all and none for shared?16:48
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hrwwiki/Install but wiki/Diablo/Repositories wiki/Fremantle/Repositories16:48
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lizardodneary: in that case it would exist only "FAQ"  until that content really needs moving somewhere ... the point is to have the "general content" applicable to the latest product, and anything which becomes obsoleted or product specific be moved to Product/Page_name pages... IMHO16:50
dnearyhrw, It still gets tricky when you have pages like (say) USB networking where it was really complicated with a 770, and is pretty straightforward with an N90016:50
threshit is going to be even easier in a short period of time16:51
murraycIf it's a tiny note then it seems OK. If it at all disrupts the latest explanation, I'd move it elsewhere.16:51
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hrwdneary: so make it wiki/770/usbnetworking (770^Wos2005/2006 only) and wiki/usbnetworking which will describe n8x0/n900 and have link to 770 one?16:51
threshlike you would be able to define 'USB access points' and choose between them after pluggin the usb16:51
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lizardodneary: my feeling is that don't matter how it is arranged there will be always at least some content duplication ... I see we all agree that having everything-in-one-page does not work well :)16:51
amigadavewe could hide the old content as sub-pages, e.g. Packaging moves to Packaging/Fremantle when Harmattan appears, and then have a tiny template at the bottom linking to the older information16:51
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dnearyI think it needs to be case-by-case, we should definitely start some substructures for out-of-date information, but try to keep as much as possible in the main namespace16:52
dnearyamigadave, I prefer Fremantle/Packaging to Packaging/Fremantle16:52
dnearyIt could even be Fremantle:Packaging16:53
amigadavedneary: either way is fine with me16:53
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lizardodneary: does moving to namespaces complicate the page search? IMHO there is already too much namespaces listed on the search page... :/16:54
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dnearylizardo, Maybe16:54
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dnearyIt allows you to search for OS2008 specific content, for example16:54
* Damion2 almost couldn't breath just then as somebody came back to me after sending rather iffy link with "oh, that's what NSFW means"16:54
lizardodneary: for instance, for each namespace there is a "Talk" namespace listed in
dnearyCreating namespaces required sysadmin access to config files for mediawiki though16:55
dnearylizardo, That's configurable16:55
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lizardodneary: and what is that " wiki"  namespace ?16:57
redDamion2: share iffy link16:57
lizardodneary: my point is , if there are too manu namespaces, it becomes difficult to select the mark boxes on the search page... most users end up just leaving the default selection , which is the main namespace16:57
dnearylizardo, I agree16:58
lizardodneary: and we end up with duplicate pages on different namespaces :)16:58
dnearyAnd the wiki namespace is a mystery to me16:58
lizardodneary: maybe there should have a default to search on all namespaces... if we indeed want to have namespaces for each product16:58
Damion2red, we were discussing SRS over lunch, and I sent: to show how good the results can be16:59
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Damion2that link is NSFW16:59
Damion2well you can peek, click on the thumbnails to zoom16:59
Damion2do it on your phone so it's small16:59
TriztFromWorksilly question, any good way to do so that big file transfers and unarchive tar files won't make the n900 unresponsive? (the cpu load is 100% all the time and you can't do anything until it's finished with the file)17:00
pupnik_new catorise broke the menus17:00
Damion2TriztFromWork: could try storing the tar on another devices so it's much less condended17:00
ShadowJKI'd try echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness before big unarchive17:00
ShadowJKand 100 afterwards17:01
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TriztFromWork100? ain't that quite high?17:02
Damion2it's the default17:02
dnearylizardo, Ah - that namespace contains 2 pages, About and Legal17:02
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TriztFromWorkain't default 60, at least on other linuxes17:03
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Damion2TriztFromWork: interesting, not something I've ever tweaked before17:03
Damion2in fact I just had to check I actually had any swap on my desktop17:03
Damion2I'm even using some!17:03
Damion24GB is the new 256MB of the early 2000s17:03
TriztFromWorkI use the old recommended 2.517:04
Damion2I'm sure my voodoo2 3000 3d on p3 500 with 256MB ram ran like the clappers.  That;s now a spec slightly lower than the n900 in my pocket17:04
TriztFromWorkhard drive space is so cheap so it don't matter17:04
Damion2TriztFromWork: on a laptop with potential suspend issues, I would17:04
SpeedEvilDamion2: In some ways - P3/500 is lots faster in some ways17:04
Damion2this is a work desktop so I didn't set it up17:05
Damion2SpeedEvil: way back in the day, I remember being told that ARM wasn't great for context switching, so UNIX on it was doable, but not useful compared to RiscOS17:05
Damion2this was from RiscOS users17:05
Damion2modern x86 otoh much better, but nothing ike as good as sparc and PPC17:06
* TriztFromWork likes his PPc and Sparc17:06
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Damion2of course now you have a cheap 8 core multi GHz x86 you're unlikely to bother with sparc unless you really want a reliable sun server with great remote console abilities17:06
ShadowJK100 is default on n900. 60 default in mainline linux kernel17:07
Damion2Niagra could have changed the playing field17:07
CaesiumDamion2: which come on their x86 offerings anyway :)17:07
TriztFromWorkDamion2; big endian... mmm....17:07
Damion2Caesium: they did i386 years ago with OpenBootProm17:07
SpeedEvilAnyway. The PIII/500 is twice as fast as the n900. See
Damion2Caesium: then shat all over themselves with a stupid bios for new h/ware17:07
ali1234lol bogomips17:08
Damion2SpeedEvil: you're kidding with the BogoMips thing yes?17:08
SpeedEvilDamion2: mostly, yes.17:08
Damion2seeing as a 300Mhz AMD in the 90s vs a 300Mhz Intel used to be double the difference for the same speed17:08
Damion2oh I was too late to ^U that17:08
SpeedEvilDamion2: however, I would like to see benchmarks of the same software.17:09
ali1234is there geekbench for arm?17:09
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Damion2SpeedEvil: Q3A was /just/ about playable on the p3 50017:10
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Damion2it seems comfortable on the n90017:10
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: if the posts I've been seeing lately are a glimpse of what the council has to endure, I sincerely apologise for having asked you to come back17:11
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, ;)17:12
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Milo-Anyone here have a suggestion on good unit testing framework for C++?17:12
crashanddieI'm this close |<----->| to ask to be removed from the moderation staff17:13
Milo-getting tired of writing gazillion source lines of code just for the test cases, it is so simple with JUnit and rspec :(17:13
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, just ignore it.17:13
fluxhmph, hildon-home takes at times 60% cpu and everything's stuck for no apparent reason17:13
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crashanddieMilo-: boost?17:13
Milo-any experiences?17:14
crashanddieMilo-: and cppunit17:14
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Milo-cppunit seems outdated17:14
SpeedEvilDamion2: yes - that's probably a rather later version17:14
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Milo-been looking into boost and cppunit today, but I want to hear user experiences :)17:14
SpeedEvilDamion2: I mean comparable code and compilers and leaving out hte gpu17:14
crashanddieMilo-: I'm a java dev by trade, and for c++ I cat | g++ directly17:15
Milo-crashanddie I see17:15
crashanddieJaffa: sweet17:15
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crashanddieJaffa: I want quotes around the quotes17:16
GeneralAntillesJaffa, can't you exchange the Twitter logo for something less inane? :P17:17
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: tim designed it17:18
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Which Twitter logo? The one in the paper? Speak to timsamoff17:18
GeneralAntillesAh, I see.17:18
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: post on the ML17:18
Jaffacrashanddie: Indeed.17:18
Jaffacrashanddie: s/ML/MWKN ML/17:18
GeneralAntillesJaffa, ah, crap something else I have to subscribe to?17:18
JaffaGeneralAntilles: It's for me to talk to the contributors; you're not a contributor :-p17:19
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Although I'd love you to be :)17:19
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SpeedEvilDamion2: as a slightly less-than-perfect benchmark - a similar mplayer -ao:pcm -bench file.mp3 - takes 1.8s on my c2d - not using both cores - and 35s on the n900. The clock is 2.7 times slower on the n900 - compared to the times which is 20 times longer17:20
GeneralAntillesJaffa, I'll have to do some more reading on the requirements, I guess.17:20
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: do you tweet?17:20
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, no.17:20
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Basically, post to Twitter if you come across an interesting URL. Unless you want to be a sub-editor, in which case you can do that *and* flesh them out17:20
ShadowJKSpeedEvil: can you do that with -afm ffmpeg and -afm mp3lib ?17:21
ShadowJKnot sure if it was exactly mp3lib, check -afm help17:21
ShadowJKthe different mp3 decoders behave quite differently on different cpus17:21
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SpeedEvilwhuich is why it's not great17:22
SpeedEvilffmpeg - 3317:22
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SpeedEvilmp3lib - 3517:23
ShadowJKah not that big then17:24
ShadowJKit was pretty significant with aac libfaad vs ffmpeg17:24
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SpeedEvilis interesting17:24
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SpeedEvilfixed point optimised decoder17:24
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alteregoHrm ... hildon stock icons ..17:28
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: on the laptop - ffmpeg is half the speed17:28
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SpeedEvilThis benchmark is of course flawed for any number of reasons. The n900 might not like Pink Floyd forex.17:29
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alteregoSo .. I'm trying to create a stock ToolbarButton, but it's giving me default gtk themed icons ..17:29
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Aquarinahow do I install xhost on maemo?17:30
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: I'm out, take care17:30
crashanddieJaffa: nice work on mwkn17:30
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, later.17:31
tybollthrrm, isn't NSU supposed to blank the entire n900?17:31
Matthew-Hey hey17:32
GeneralAntillestybollt, no.17:32
GeneralAntillesJust the OneNAND17:32
SpeedEviltybollt: no17:32
tybolltGeneralAntilles: gotcha17:32
Matthew-facebook users, is there any app that would notify me when I get a message17:32
Matthew-or comment or smth?17:32
SpeedEvilnot ~ or mydocs17:32
Aquarinais xhost on some other package?17:32
tybolltGeneralAntilles: There a way to tell it to blank it _all_ :)17:32
GeneralAntillestybollt, grab the eMMC image from tablets-dev and flash it.17:32
tybolltcheck, will do17:33
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kevloralhi all.17:35
Aquarinawhere can I find xhost for maemo?17:35
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SpeedEvilxauth/host would be nice17:37
mgedminI had xauth on fremantle I think17:37
mgedmindidn't work as well as I expected...17:37
* mgedmin wanted remote clipboard sharing by doing things like echo $url|ssh -X mg-n810 xsel17:37
mgedminno, that makes no sense actually17:38
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, turn off the clock in FBReader to make it sleep.17:38
mgedminI think I have it turned off17:38
* mgedmin checks17:38
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SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: that's not an ideal solution though. sleep 30 instead of sleep 1 would be good17:38
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, sure it isn't, but it's workable until RST38h fixes it. ;)17:39
SpeedEvilprolly as easy just to shut it17:39
SpeedEvilit starts up back in same pos17:39
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, I like having it open and available.17:40
GeneralAntillesSaves taps and time.17:40
SpeedEvilthough desktop -> one tap17:40
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SpeedEvilI want the top bar on the task selector though.17:40
Aquarinamgedmin, I need it to forward X from n810 to desktop17:40
SpeedEvilThat annoys me.17:40
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, plus having to fullscreen it again17:41
GeneralAntillesand wait to load.17:41
Damion2mgedmi: you also need xsel17:41
SpeedEvilAquarina: xhost phone on desktop. ssh -X desktop - on phone.17:41
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SpeedEvilnow whatever17:41
ShadowJKiirc mp3lib is floating point, ffmpeg fixed point17:42
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ShadowJKlibfaad has both, the fixed point doesn't really wotk though17:42
Damion2mgedmin: in fact if you want to trivially send a url to the phone you don't need xauth you actually want DISPLAY to be :017:42
SpeedEvilShadowJK: the link I posted was to fixed17:42
AquarinaSpeedEvil, didn't understand you tip17:43
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AquarinaWhat i need is to see n810 applications on my desktop17:43
Damion2I was trying wmctrl to make a fullscreen terminal and it didn't work, no matter what I tried the 80x24 kept ending up 79x23 with an obvious one character wide/high line around the edge17:43
Aquarinanot the other way around17:43
Aquarinawell... heve to go17:43
SpeedEvilAquarina: ssh phone - from desktop. set xhost - on desktop to allow phone. ssh -x desktop - from phone17:43
Damion2Aquarina: ssh fwding I find slow, use direct X with tcp permitted and xauth usbnet/btnet/wifi-IP +ed17:44
SpeedEvilthough that too17:44
Matthew-Is that a _no_ then?17:45
Aquarinawhat is dropbear command to ssh?17:45
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Aquarinassh doesn't seem to be on the path!...17:45
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Damion2Matthew-: the homescreen widget or signin to facebook via the IM client on the phone?  I dunno, but I think what you want can/is done17:45
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Damion2Aquarina: openssh is there in the main repositories17:45
ShadowJKis mp3dec same as mpg123 derived mp3lib?17:45
SpeedEvilmeh. Angrybirds doesn't work.17:45
Damion2Aquarina: dbclient is dbclient rather than ssh17:46
Damion2SpeedEvil: too local GL-y ?17:46
Matthew-Damion2: Nope, the homescreen widget only shows statuses.17:46
ShadowJKglex on n900, gl on other machine?17:46
Damion2Matthew-: I saw updates and text when I took a look17:46
SpeedEvilDamion2: eglGetDisplay() Failed17:47
Damion2ShadowJK: I'm unsure of now X-able GL stuff is at all17:47
Matthew-Damion2: but i mean, something that would notify me that ive got a message in my inbox17:47
Matthew-or a comment,17:47
Matthew-not really interested in the IM17:47
Damion2Matthew-: I'm 90% certain I saw that17:47
Damion2Matthew-: a pull down with something like (4) messages17:47
Aquarinawell... I just couldn't do it17:47
Damion2off the large mainscreen widget17:47
ifreqidont think x over tcp/ip is gl supported too17:47
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Aquarinatry again later17:47
Aquarinasorry, have to go17:48
Matthew-Damion2: that's the statuses.17:48
Damion2hmm, well if it's not obvious on the widget then I guess it doesn't.  I don't use FB it's arse17:48
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Damion2I have a login cos my wife set it up17:48
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Damion2not that she uses it much either17:49
Damion2we're on the same mud17:49
ShadowJKDamion2: Oh I can  run flgightgear on my atom330 box and siaplay it remotely on my nvidia equipped quadcore box, and it's faster than fg locally on atom33017:49
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Damion2ShadowJK: yeah?17:49
Damion2hmm well I guess the odd GL command could fit down a network and get the local card to do fancy 3D rendering17:49
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Damion2that was how I always imagined it would work, but the few times I've ever tried it it's never worked at all17:49
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Damion2GL is even more local specific for speed than something just using SDL, XV or even old MIT SHM17:50
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Damion2all of which can't xmit well over plain tcp17:50
pupniktimeless_mbp: should i file a bug if long-click on a .pdf link in microb does not yield a "Copy link" menu item?17:50
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ShadowJKsdl and xv just push pixels17:51
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Damion2the XVIDEO extension ?17:52
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Damion2SDL falls back to raw X11 but uses DRI when local doesn't it?  I think I mean DRI rather than sdl, seeing as you're right it will X17:52
Damion2sdl being the lib which does the work of working out the fastest thing for yuo17:52
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SplasPoodHrm... I miss being able to send SMS via bluetooth from my desktop17:56
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Damion2SplasPood: DUN support provides an AT command over BT (or usb) are you certain you can't do the right AT stuff for sms ?17:57
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SplasPoodDamion2: Hrm...  ya know, I haven't really tried...   What do people use for that under Linux these days, I used to do this on the mac17:58
Damion2rfcomm and minicom17:59
Damion2and bing for finding the right AT commands17:59
Damion2or cuil or Google it's your choice17:59
Damion2gnokii or something like that used to do the AT stuff for you, oh probably the rfcomm set up too17:59
Damion2I'm serially on with usb now, let me check...18:00
SplasPoodWell yes, I knew how one would do it manually ;)18:00
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lizardodneary: is there any preference over using references (<ref>...</ref>)  vs. direct links ([ Example]) on Maemo Wiki pages ?18:00
Damion2oh that's a bit annoying this is logged and put online18:02
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Damion2oh wow and I got it working18:03
Damion2AT+CMGS rather than W18:03
Damion2I just sent myself Hello World, so it seems whatever tools people used before should work exactly the same with the n900 as it would on an older phone18:04
Damion2I liek that nokia went to that effort, unlike iPhone/Android18:04
SplasPoodGood to know18:04
SplasPoodDamion2: yea, thats why I just assumed it wouldn't work ;)18:04
Damion2does anyone know who moderates the logs that get uploaded frmo #maemo ?18:04
Damion2SplasPood: reasonable assumption.  Especially with a launch lacking mms and video calling18:04
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Damion2I'm very pleased that they've gone to the efforts of making some normal phone stuff still work despite the OS being linux and they clearly had to imlpement stuff to get there18:05
Damion2even if I hardly use it18:05
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: what cloak am I entitled to? Just had an oper ask me18:05
SplasPoodLast nokia device I had, and loved, was the N95 and I used to do this all the time there, but then it's been some android since then and well.. yea18:06
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: just community/contributor?18:06
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie18:06
GeneralAntillesUnless you want to be Maemo/community/villageidiot/crashanddie18:06
GeneralAntillesI'd be OK with that. ;)18:06
alteregoAnyone know what the stock_icon_id's for the presence icons are? I wanna use online offline icons.18:07
Jaffacrashanddie: Now quotes in the CSS, btw18:07
crashanddieJaffa: awsum18:07
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pupnikcan i really get a villageidiot cloak??18:07
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pupnikunaffiliated is dull18:08
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fralsGeneralAntilles, whos the groupcontact? i got a capital C in community and the oper wont change it ;D18:09
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GeneralAntillesThat'd be my typo from the bug, unfortunately.18:10
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: yes?18:10
fralsX-Fade: could you request a change on my cloak to "Maemo/community/contributor/frals"?18:10
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, lowercase c in community.18:10
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X-Fadefrals: requested.18:12
fralsthanks :)18:12
fralshe, 2 seconds later it changed :-)18:12
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, how hard is it to set a secondary contact?18:13
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X-Fadeandy80 needs to set his email before he gets his cloak.18:13
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I don't know. I think there can only be one founder.18:14
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w00tX-Fade: it is possible18:14
w00trequest type alternate18:15
crashanddieX-Fade: actually, I got my cloak before I had the email set ;)18:15
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GeneralAntillesw00t, so, another 18 months until that's processed.18:16
crashanddieX-Fade: and I already had a cloak before without an email... The oper just asked me to add it afterwards18:16
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GeneralAntillesw00t, I guess we'll have to guess who'll be chair by that time. ;)18:16
alteregoOkay, why would my python script not have maemo themed icons when using gtk.STOCK_*18:16
crashanddiew00t: I've registered a group using that about 4 years ago and am still waiting18:16
alteregoExecuting on device using run-standalone.sh18:16
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w00tGeneralAntilles: I don't have recent first hand knowledge, but when I last looked into such stuff, alternate approvals were given priorities18:16
crashanddiew00t: in the meantime, I've graduated and the group is not used anymore...18:16
w00tcrashanddie: there's a massive queue, well into the thousands18:16
w00t(again, I don't have first hand knowledge: I last knew about this stuff quite some months ago)18:17
crashanddieso don't tell people it's possible18:17
w00tcrashanddie: um. as I said, from how the situation *was*, changes to existing groups are given priority18:17
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alteregoHah, well. I wont mind, just send me the pictures.18:38
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Damion2oh dd if=/dev/zero of=sparse-file bs=1 count=0 seek=500M on MyDocs isn't fast, I guess fat32 doesn't support sparce18:44
infobotDamion2 meant: oh dd if=/dev/zero of=sparse-file bs=1 count=0 seek=500M on MyDocs isn't fast, I guess fat32 doesn't support sparse18:44
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ShadowJKno, no sparse on fat18:45
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Damion2still, loopback mounted large files on MyDocs works fine so I have some chmodable space to grow in to18:49
Damion2and the mount with exec works18:49
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MohammadAGhow do i update menu icons?18:50
lbtX-Fade: ping18:51
X-Fadelbt: pong18:51
lbt"Nokia Mobile has become fashion of the mobile lovers slowly and steadily because,we note the current trends "18:52
lbtcould be a one off thingy but FYI :)18:52
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X-Fadelbt: Our anti spam master GeneralAntilles seems to have missed that ;)18:53
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GeneralAntillesI hardly watch the wiki anymore.18:56
Matthew-see, that's how my Facebook Widget looks18:56
Matthew-and well, kinda useless w/o being notified when i get a new message or wall comment.18:56
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Damion2Matthew-: I had an extra box to the side with something like a (4) for 4 new messages, that I could click on18:59
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Matthew-Damion2: but _how_ :D18:59
Matthew-it's same widget, no settings there.19:00
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Matthew-Damion2: and well, would be nice if the statuses would be rollable19:01
Damion2Matthew-: I might have let it get updated frmo a newer repository19:02
Damion2are you sure you're getting any new messages?  maybe you're much less popular than you reliased? ;)19:02
Damion2or your desktop version is nabbing them first19:02
Matthew-Damion2: got 3 messages19:02
Damion2or (60% chance) I;m just mistaken and I didn't see that at all and I'm just confused19:02
Matthew-Damion2: and ive got all upgraded to testing :D19:03
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pupnikpdf reader doesnt let me hilight and copy text...19:06
alteregoSo, urm, anyone know why I'm not getting maemo icons instead of the default gtk stocks?19:06
ifreqcan anyone answer to this?19:07
pupnikevince i guess19:08
alteregois there a --with-db option?19:08
uhsfi bet many people would have been turn off on open source software forever by receiving the 700$ unusable n900 i received yesterday and they would just exchanged it for an iphone19:08
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Damion2uhsf: didn't you just get in a reboot loop after trying the over the air update?  I think a flash would have fixed19:10
ifreqalterego: yeah seems so19:10
ifreqdunno what kind of berkeleydb scratchbox has19:10
ShadowJK2 year warranty :)19:10
uhsfDamion2: i did absolutely nothing. first boot went into reboot loop19:11
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uhsfi don't have time to look for flashing now it'll have to wait a few days19:12
Damion2I vaguely recall you're mentioning it was doing it's own update.  But I'm probably wrong then if you just got it and rebooted it19:12
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LantiziaHey, I've got the global release of 51-1 on my N900... looking through dpkg -l theres alot of non-english extra packages for various things... is there an easy way of uninstalling them all to perhaps a) save space and b) make my dpkg -l list look tidier?19:14
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ShadowJKthere are not-easy way to uninstall them, and it will result in you not getting updates anymore19:16
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slonopotamuserr... anyone with n900 experiences problems connecting to skype?19:17
uhsfi experience problems booting the n90019:18
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uhsfit pops up a short message saying internal error application camera closed... application phone closed19:19
VDVsxslonopotamus, I've had failed attempts, but trying a second time works (probably network issues)19:19
uhsfand then back to the full white nokia screen19:20
VDVsxuhsf, seems that you mess up your system19:20
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, can you go fill out an alt contact form for Freenode?19:21
VDVsxwhat's that ? lol19:21
lcukwe need generalised closning mechanisms19:21
GeneralAntillesSelect Alternate19:21
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, so we can set you up as a backup contact for X-Fade.19:21
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VDVsxanything in the approved by field?19:22
Damion2uhsf: is this a 2nd device ?19:22
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, X-Fade.19:23
Damion2if so, it's extremely unlikely to be a 2nd DOA, you must be doing something wrong.  Rebooting with the camera slider open ?19:23
LantiziaShadowJK: apt-get remove --purge *-cscz *-dadk *-dede *-enus *-eses *-esmx *-fifi *-frca *-frfr *-itit *-nlnl *-nono *-plpl *-ptpt *-ruru *-svse19:24
LantiziaBad idea :)19:24
Damion2en_US ?19:25
Lantiziayeah well I'm en_GB19:26
Damion2I would recommend more removing that even if you're not from there19:26
* Damion2 is british too, but it'll no doubt be a dependancy on stuff :)19:26
Damion2are these really that large?19:26
Lantiziawell I'll see if apt-get doesn't like it :)19:26
Lantiziadunno - but my dpkg list is a mess with them in lol19:26
Damion2I found about 30MB of libs are Qt stuff, which somebody will likely optify19:26
SpeedEvilDamion2: HP sauce?19:26
SpeedEvilDamion2: Branston Pickle? Marmite?19:27
Damion2the rest of my 50MB of / space is ample for the odd symlink for apps as I install them over the years IMO19:27
Lantiziahmm apt-get doesn't like wildcards19:27
Damion2SpeedEvil: I like twiglets19:27
Damion2Lantizia: use grep -v19:27
CaesiumLantizia: shell is probably expanding them, quote them?19:27
Lantiziadamion2: space isn't an issue for me either as most of usr, var and also opt run from /home partition which is 17gb19:27
Damion2it's busybox dpkg too19:27
slonopotamusVDVsx, it fails to connect for several hours already19:27
Lantiziabut I want a tidier package listy19:27
Damion2Lantizia: oh you've partitioned around ?19:27
LantiziaDamion2, yeah /home is 17gb and MyDocs is 8gb with USB working19:28
Lantiziaor something like that19:28
Damion2Lantizia: yeah looked doable but I dont' even mind 2GB for the moment19:28
Damion2if I run low I'll backup and re partition19:28
LantiziaI can send you my instructions if you like19:28
VDVsxslonopotamus, you only have the skype account enabled or you've others ?19:29
Damion2I've skimmed a few pages, I have like 15 years experience, I doubt I'll break it ;)19:29
Lantiziaoh ok lol :P19:29
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* Damion2 used linux and sunos since 1993ish at uni and not looked back19:29
Lantiziadamion2: tip tho... just use sfdisk since it's already on there - much easier than trying to get any other tool to do the job19:29
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Lantiziaseem some pages where people are crazily compiling fdisk or cfdisk19:30
Caesiumfdisk can't be hard19:30
Damion2yeah I contemplated changing the daemon that exports the partiion, to export the whole disk after remounting ;/home as RO and letting a desktop cfdisk it19:30
Damion2I can't be the only person that thought of that easier option that crosscompiling cfdisk ;)19:31
Damion2I'll man sfdisk if I do it :)19:31
LantiziaI like keeping the two partitions, don't want to edit scripts that might break with updates anyway - 2gb for /home was silly and I didn't need 27gb for the USB part19:31
Caesiumthat easy debian chroot might be an easier way to get cfdisk etc?19:31
Damion2Caesium: it could be hard, I think it prods some INT10 stuff in a bios-y but still in protected mode kinda way (like Xorg) to work some geometry stuff out19:32
LantiziaAnyway! apt-get wildcards!? :D19:32
LantiziaDamion2: why mention grep?19:32
Damion2tidier dpkg -l output :)19:32
CaesiumLantizia: doesn't quoting them to work to escape the attention of the shell?19:32
Damion2as for 27GB usb yeah, and limited to fat's 4GB is a pain, I found I use usbnet and ssh most of the time, I can rsync scp and if I get roudn to it, will sshfs or nfs export the phone for file copying19:33
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Damion2mounting fat is a pain anyway19:33
LantiziaDamion2: yeah I NFS export my microsdhc save me taking it out19:33
uhsfVDVsx: how does it seem i messed up my system? i open the box of a brand new n900, insert the battery, press the power button, perpetual reboot loop.19:34
Damion2surely if debian chroot works, then copying the right libs, some kludgy fun, should permit you to run stuff under the main maemo rather than staying in the chroot, not to mention it indeicates a reasonable chance of easy crosscompile ?19:34
uhsfDamion2: this is my first n90019:34
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Damion2uhsf: oh still that one19:34
ifreqanyone got idea why maemo sdk/armel scratchbox is not resolving anything via DNS?19:34
Damion2uhsf: sim card?  microsd card ?19:34
ifreqit has correct resolv.conf/nsswitch.conf19:34
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Damion2nameserver ?19:35
uhsfDamion2: i have not inserted any of these yet19:35
ifreqDamion2: nope, but local DNS same which VMWARE uses19:35
ShadowJKyou get instant exchange of DOA N900s :)19:35
mgedminifreq, check /scratchbox/resolv.conf too19:35
Damion2uhsf: camera opened when you boot, or not opened?  if you've tried these thignsg you can say it's DOA and get new, or try flashing19:35
VDVsxuhsf, so you should contact the store, it clearly has problems19:35
ifreqmgedmin: its checked :/19:35
mgedminthere are two files: one in the target's /etc, one global /scratchbox/etc19:35
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ifreqmgedmin: you mean /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf?19:36
adeusthe latter is used19:36
Damion2I was annoyed to have to insert a sim to get mine to work down stairs in my house (UK's ch13 wifi)19:36
* mgedmin nods19:36
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uhsfthis is so annoying doa means to wait almost another complete month19:36
mgedminDamion2, there's an open bug for that, I believe19:36
Damion2mgedmin: I recall one closed as won'tfix as it's a way to stay regulatory19:37
Damion2my sim let it know I was in the "country of EU" and it started working19:37
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Damion2I tried to find which daemon / kernel module and faff aroundforcing it to think EU but I couldn't see anything19:37
Caesiumuhsf: try this?
ifreqmgedmin: thanks atleast /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf was empty.. restarting19:38
Damion2android just has a check box, it doesn't even mention country it just asks "how many channels do you want 11 13 or 14"19:38
VDVsxuhsf, no if the device has less than 15 days, they have to give you a new one, right away19:38
Damion2I opened mine on xmas day after almost 13 days of buying it19:38
Damion2I was lucky19:38
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* Caesium got N900 from expansys about 3 days after ordering, didn't see what the big deal was about shortages :)19:39
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Caesiumthough it did come with a USA plug so suspect it's an import19:39
* SpeedEvil got his on Nov 30, after about a month19:39
Damion2somebody invited me to the summit but I have kids to look after, he got a free one the bast***d19:39
Damion2oh yes that's true it's a "loan" ;)19:40
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ShadowJKhow long left on rthat loan?19:40
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Damion2anyone living in central London ?19:41
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aSIMULAtori USED to live in central london :P19:41
Lantiziaapt-get remove --purge .*-cscz .*-dadk .*-dede .*-enus .*-eses .*-esmx .*-fifi .*-frca .*-frfr .*-itit .*-nlnl .*-nono .*-plpl .*-ptpt .*-ruru .*-svse19:41
wazdMeh, at last19:41
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LantiziaThat'll do it!  will I break Maemo tho ShadowJK19:41
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Damion2Lantizia: I think it'll be okay, but I would urge you to leave .*-enus19:42
* wazd curses +R19:42
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* Damion2 heads off to collect the kids from nursery :( £2600 a month is killing me19:42
LantiziaDamion2, £2600 a month to send your kids to a nursery?19:43
SpeedEvilYou could point a webcam at them, and have a IP controlled robot!19:43
wazdTo collect them)19:43
villagerLantizia: the automatic update will no longer work19:43
adeusanyone have any good solutions to that?19:43
Damion2Lantizia: yeah it's one of the cheap ones19:43
Matthew-Damion2: in what country?19:44
Lantiziavillager - how come?19:44
Damion2we're slightly subsidised as elsest is >319:44
villagerLantizia: it means you'll probably have to reflash when the next firmware comes out, rather than being able to update over the air19:44
Damion2and both wife and I have childcare vouchers earning about 2k a year19:44
Damion2Matthew-: central London19:44
Matthew-Damion2: which nuesery19:44
Damion2it's only 60-80% of that cost up-t'north19:44
Damion2not much cheaper19:44
Lantiziavillager - err it sat there for 5 minutes doing nothing, then all of a sudden decided to try and remove EVERY package19:44
Matthew-which nursery ?19:44
Matthew-Damion2: I live in ec119:45
Damion2just a normal chain, Kids Unlimited would be 3.1k19:45
Matthew-and my sister lves in w1 with 2 kids19:45
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adeusmole station nursery19:45
Matthew-and they're both in nursery19:45
Damion2we were in one in WC1 which was only 1100 a month for a 2yo19:45
SpeedEvilDamion2: Kids Unlimited - is that like an All you can eat resturant?19:45
Damion2youngest is <18 months and is about 150019:45
Matthew-if you know the game19:45
Matthew-I call _bullshit_19:45
SpeedEvilDump your 11 kids for the same price?19:46
Matthew-there you go19:46
luke-jrraise your own kids, kthx19:46
Damion2Matthew-: you think they're ripping us off cos we dont know better?19:46
Matthew-The average charge for a nursery place for a young child is currently £197 a week, while in outer London the typical cost is £174 a week.19:46
villagerLantizia: Nokia has made a metapackage that depends on every package, including those language packs - trying to remove the language packs will also kill that metapackage, and since OTA upgrades require that package, it will make upgrades impossible19:46
Matthew-Damion2: I think you're lying sir.19:46
Damion2average 853 a month ?19:46
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Lantiziavillager - it's not the space it takes up that bothers me (have repartitioned so I've got gigs left)... but it's how messy dpkg -l looks with them in19:47
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Damion2elsest is 1100 there is one which is 950 a month near us in Pimlico but it got VERY low often reports19:47
hatseflatsevening everyone19:47
Matthew-Damion2: 2.8k for 2 kids19:47
Matthew-Damion2: plus, when you put second kid in you get discount.19:47
Damion2Matthew-: I'm not making this up, Kids unlimited is more expensive we're in the middle and the cheaper one was crap19:47
Damion2Matthew-: ahh yeah this one didn't do that but we know some that do, but there ages away from the house19:48
Damion2I walk to this on teh way to work19:48
villagerLantizia: then maybe don't look at the dpkg -l output...19:48
Damion2we barely make 9am deadline for beakfast each morning, there is no way I'm taking them to one further19:48
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Damion2Matthew-: a load of nurseries are in the 600-800 range which help your average, but they are attached to schools and shut at 15:30 which is **cking pointless19:49
Matthew-Damion2: does your wife earn much more than 3k a month after tax?19:49
ifreqmgedmin: thansk works.. tho apt-get dont but thats not my biggest issue19:49
mgedminare you using fakeroot?19:49
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ifreqtried to run apt-get insinde armel19:49
Damion2Matthew-: she earns about dead even on the cost per month that we pay, which is 2600 - 300odd for 12.5hrs goverment help on >3yo kid, and the childcare vounchers19:49
villagerLantizia: the way Nokia set it up, you can't remove them without breaking stuff, possibly voiding your warranty in the process... so you may as well leave it19:50
Matthew-Damion2: well, then tell her to quit her job and spend some more time with kids.19:50
Damion2once eldest is in school we're a grand up, then the younger one gets cheaper and cheaper as they get older19:50
pupnikplease get a room for your offtopic chat19:50
* mgedmin doubts pure software hacks can void the warranty ... /me would expect a Nokia Care service center to blindly reflash the OS image if something stops working19:50
Damion2Matthew-: we only have to haemorrage money for another few years19:50
mgedminnow if you write software to do something nasty to the hardware that e.g. burns out the CPU, that could end up badly19:51
Matthew-Damion2: for _only_ a few years?19:51
luke-jrmgedmin: depends on the hack; if it damages hardware, it can19:51
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luke-jrDamion2: while neglecting your children19:51
Damion2Matthew-: she'd break a continuation of employment and might fail to get work after, she loves her job and the kids get to interact with others rather than being like weirdo homeschoolers19:51
Matthew-Damion2: Should've opened a fund for kids when you were younger. Like <------19:51
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mgedminI don't see now apt-get remove languagepack could damage hardware ;19:51
Damion2Matthew-: we came in to it with many thousands assuming we'd be down a tad19:51
villagermgedmin: it will also remove the metapackage, which in turn might remove the kernel19:52
Damion2doesn't stop me moaning about the ridiculousness of the costs in SW119:52
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mgedminvillager, I very much doubt that the kernel depends on the metapackage19:52
Damion2I'm entitled to moan :)19:52
luke-jrDamion2: I disagree.19:52
Matthew-Damion2: well my sister is in W1K, kids go to some nursery where they are dropped by drivers and she pays less than 2.8k a month19:52
Damion2luke-jr: they're not neglected, althoughI should head off now !19:52
villagermgedmin: no, the other way around... the metapackage might remove the kernel... and then later someone goes and autoremoves stuff that nothing depends on, and...19:52
ShadowJKdo things depend on maemo-pr? I forget... apt-cache rdependends maemo-pr19:53
Damion22.8K a month is more than us19:53
villagermgedmin: metapackage depends on the kernel, I mean19:53
luke-jrDamion2: daycare = neglect19:53
Matthew-Damion2: that's what u said you pay19:53
Damion2luke-jr: no it's not!19:53
Damion2Matthew-: we DID look around !19:53
Matthew-yeah, somewhere around the same19:53
wazd2.8K euros? O_o19:53
Matthew-it's not far from Millenium bridge19:54
Damion2I'm not taking them by tube up to W1K19:54
Matthew-Damion2: oh, its near the city19:54
Matthew-not in west end19:54
villagermgedmin: it might not be the kernel specifically, but there's probably something important that could get autoremoved whenever the metapackage that depends on the maemo components goes19:54
Matthew-and the primary school they signed them up for has got 6 years waiting list.19:54
Matthew-next to millenium bridge also.19:54
hatseflatsI've got a n810 caught in a reboot loop, I can't get into the bootloader interface either (holding switch and power). The thing doesn't seem to want to charge either, I'm suck with a bootloop that takes about 4 seconds in total, anyone got some pointer(s)?19:54
Damion2luke-jr: trust me when my wife was on maternity leave looking after them both, they were possibly slightly more neglected as they drove my wife mad jumping around and stuff (well the eldest)19:54
Matthew-wazd: gbp19:54
Damion2Matthew-: we're probably going for free school so I'll be quids in within a few years19:55
luke-jrDamion2: so discipline them properly19:55
wazdLet's get back to maemo channel topic please. Kittens, anyone?)19:55
Damion2wazd: sorry19:55
luke-jrwazd: kittens are the maemo channel topic?19:55
wazdMatthew-: holy crap19:55
wazdLuke-jr: it's not?)19:56
Matthew-Damion2: well I dont have kids19:56
wazdMatthew-: that's kinda insane19:56
Damion2luke-jr: let's agree to differ.  I know some right chavvy lamers looking after their kids, I;m pretty sure we're better parents even if we're not around them 24x719:56
Matthew-Damion2: and I plan to have good 5 figure fund for their education before i do have them.19:57
luke-jrDamion2: at least they try? (wtf does 'right chavvy lamers' mean anyhow?)19:57
Matthew-Damion2: or send them to private nursery19:57
wazdmatthew-: I think you're joking)19:57
Matthew-don't send them that is19:57
Damion2I lived for 5 years in 150quid a month rent in Sutton, I built up about 150k :)  Ate it all on mortgage and daycare19:57
Matthew-wazd: No, im serious :)19:57
ShadowJKchav is something like white trash19:57
Damion2luke-jr: we could easily look after them I disagree it's better for them.  We spend loads of loving hours withthem outside of the 9-5 of work19:58
Damion2a lamer is somebody who is lame, a chav as ShadowJK puts it19:58
Matthew-Damion2: well I mean 200-400k for 2 kids19:58
Damion2Matthew-: ?! that's insane, that include private school?19:58
wazdMatthew-: nursery? For 2.8k a month?)19:58
Matthew-Damion2: yes19:58
Matthew-wazd: yes19:58
Damion2I found I saved money once they were born as I actually went out for dinner much less :)19:59
luke-jrMatthew-: 200-400k is 6 figures, not 519:59
Damion2Private schools suck IMO19:59
Matthew-Damion2: true, but i get bonus every year.19:59
wazdAre you mad? :D19:59
Matthew-luke-jr: blah, 6 figure than, sorry :)19:59
Damion2smart parents leads to an almost 1:1 mapping to smart kids19:59
Matthew-Damion2: No they dont. Well, i dont plan to bring them up in this fucked up country in the first place.19:59
Matthew-wazd: oh, i dont have kids.19:59
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Damion2smart parents often = money money = send kids to private school20:00
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Damion2so they tend to get better grades, but it's not the schools doing it20:00
wazdYou can spend month on fucking Carribeans for 2.8k :D20:00
Matthew-Damion2: well, maybe not in the UK20:00
Matthew-wazd: u can spend a month on carribean islands for 1k20:00
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wazdIs that stuff worth 2.8k really?20:02
hatseflatshow badly is my n810 busted if I can't get into the bootloader screen?20:02
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hatseflatsor the carge screen for that matter20:02
Matthew-wazd: nope20:02
hatseflatsor anything but a 4 second delay on booting, then black, then booting again20:03
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gonXhey guys, i'm facing a problem with scratchbox while building a new kernel for my n900, simply said i get "mmap: Operation not permitted" while trying to do "make rx51_defconfig"20:03
hatseflatsdeja_vu: hello again20:03
wazdMatthew-: what crazy monthly income should you have to afford this!20:03
hatseflatsso, no one?20:04
deja_vuhas anyone tried using 'debuild' in scratchbox?20:04
Matthew-wazd: well, like 300k + PA20:04
luke-jrhatseflats: sounds easily recoverable20:04
Matthew-which for central london, 2 people professionals is not that much20:04
adeusgonX, " echo 4096 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr"20:04
hatseflatsluke-jr: sounds good, but how or where can I find the info? maemo wiki isn't letting off much20:05
luke-jrhatseflats: just reflash20:05
luke-jrhatseflats: the initfs in particular20:05
luke-jrmaybe kernel first20:05
gonXadeus: that's what i heard too, doesn't fix it. might it have something to do with my own kernel? i use .33-rc420:05
* slonopotamus thinks whether it is smart to accept work offer with relocation to cyprus20:05
wazdMatthew-: there's no fucking way to do this in Russia without criminal stuff20:05
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deja_vudebian/rules clean fails in debuild (tells me i'm not root), even though debuild runs fakeroot20:05
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deja_vu'fakeroot debian/rules clean' works Oo20:06
Matthew-wazd: Are you russian?20:06
wazdMatthew-: yep20:06
* luke-jr peers at deja_vu20:06
Matthew-wazd: My dad worked with russians, and in 90s they paid in suitcases full of dollars20:06
adeusgonX, is that kernel something really really new?20:06
deja_vuhey luke :>20:06
luke-jrdeja_vu: where'd you go?20:06
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gonXadeus: the one i'm compiling, no. the one i'm using, yes20:06
wazdMatthew-: oh those 90s)20:07
deja_vuluke-jr: haven't been playing much tron recently20:07
Matthew-wazd: you know Baltika?20:07
luke-jrdeja_vu: so?20:07
gonXadeus:  it's less than 2 weeks old20:07
Matthew-the beer company20:07
wazdMatthew-: yep20:07
adeusthe one you are using20:07
wazdMatthew-: shitty beer)20:07
Matthew-wazd: we used to print _all_ of their labels20:07
adeusmaybe you should ask the kernel team20:07
deja_vuluke-jr: did you miss me? :P20:08
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gonXadeus: i have a feeling it's qemu doing it though. i have 2.6.32 laying around, so i'll try booting to that to take a look20:08
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luke-jrdeja_vu: yes20:09
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wazdMatthew-: ah20:09
wazdMatthew-: it's really one of the cheapest brands in here20:09
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Matthew-wazd: but they produce _a lot_ of beer20:10
Matthew-= a lot of bottles = a lot of labels20:10
wazdMatthew-: but again, my sister currently builds medical facilities all over the russia20:10
Matthew-yh, good old back in the day.20:10
wazdMatthew-: she hardly makes more than $50k a year20:11
wazdMatthew-: and she does hell of a job20:11
RST38hwazd: adjust for taxes20:11
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RST38hwazd: 13% in .RU, >=35% everywhere else20:12
Matthew-wazd: well i do nothing.20:12
Matthew-and i get hella a lot for what i do20:12
wazdRst38h: anyway20:12
wazdRst38h: 150k and 50k20:12
ifreqheh i just made my n900 as security cam20:12
RST38hwazd: Yea, it does not reach 150k by any measure of course20:13
Matthew-wazd: dont compare russia and central london20:13
Matthew-ifreq: How?20:13
Matthew-ifreq: ur getting rl stream ?:D20:13
wazdMatthew-: like I said, there's no way to make that much money in Russia without crime20:13
Matthew-wazd: ofc there is :D20:14
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wazdMatthew-: with crime - easy)20:14
ifreqMatthew-: nope, one daemon20:14
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RST38hwazd: But it still comes down to relatively healthy 67k with taxes considered20:14
ifreqdoing some crosscompiling on stuff ive interested20:14
gonXadeus: older kernel worked20:14
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wazdRst38h: what taxes?))20:15
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wazdRst38h: from bribes? )20:15
RST38hwazd: No, I meant that pretty lawful 50k20:15
RST38h$150k is problematic to make honestly anywhere in the world, I am afraid20:15
Matthew-wazd: Goldman Sachs in Moscow20:16
wazdmatthew-: advocates?)20:16
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Matthew-RST38h: ok 150k a year in central london is easy20:16
Matthew-wazd: finance20:16
Matthew-wazd: my friend was head of compliants for reuters in moscow20:16
RST38hMatthew: What would be the tax on that?20:16
Matthew-and he was getting over 200k20:17
wazdMatthew-: aaaaw, analysis )20:17
Matthew-RST38h: 50%20:17
Matthew-wazd: no, investments20:17
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RST38hMatthew: Then you are in effect getting only 75k :)20:17
Matthew-RST38h: well im getting more than that :D20:17
RST38hMatthew: ;)20:17
wazdMatthew-: yeah, these guys makes a lot for shit talking )20:17
Matthew-RST38h: average compensation per employee this year was 498k20:17
Matthew-per employee20:17
Matthew-wazd: thats what I said20:17
RST38hMatthew: Finance?20:17
Matthew-RST38h: yep20:18
derfI would argue that GS is not exactly high on the "lawful" list.20:18
RST38hMatthew: Paying in the same product they are making? ;)20:18
GeneralAntillesderf, ehehehe20:19
wazdI prefer to get money for something serious20:19
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wazdNot talking)20:19
RST38hwazd: like... mergers and takeovers? ;)20:19
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hatseflatsluke-jr: the device won't register as attached to my usb bus20:21
hatseflatsthe adapter is disconnected, the battery of the n810 is as empty as it can be (I can't charge it because of the reboot loop)20:22
hatseflatswhat now?20:22
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Matthew-wazd: Hmm, in my 14 peoples team20:23
Matthew-we've got average £1m20:23
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luke-jrhatseflats: AC power20:23
StskeepsRST38h: threads?20:24
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wazdMatthew-: what are you doing?)20:24
hatseflatsluke-jr: like hook up the adapter? or attach wires to the battery connectors and find a AC source?20:24
Matthew-wazd: i manage semiconductors/technology20:24
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Matthew-related investments20:25
RST38hStskeeps: look like proceses to me20:25
wazdMatthew-: cool20:25
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hatseflatsluke-jr: could you please explain more clearly?20:29
Matthew-wazd: it is.20:29
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ShadowJKhatseflats: do you have any equipment for electric work?20:32
hatseflatsShadowJK: some, but It'd rather not start soldering wires to the poles20:33
hatseflatsbasics like voltmeters, gluegun etc20:33
ShadowJKvoltage reading on battery and ac adapter would be interesting20:34
ShadowJKoyuter contacts on battery, the middle one is just some lame signaling20:34
adeusgonX, you should report the issue20:34
hatseflatsreading 2.67 volts20:35
ShadowJKIn general, the n8x0 can't run straight on power through charge port20:35
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hatseflatsno, it can't20:35
hatseflatsthat's my basic problem20:35
hatseflatsor over usb, but that's another rant20:35
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ShadowJKI don't know about Nokia, but if I designed a charger I would feel very uneasy about ctrying to charge a battery from that low20:36
hatseflatssuppose that's my fault for trying to start the n810 that often, further draining the battery20:37
ShadowJKn8x0 has a hardware limit of 2.8V before it boots... and sd/flash probably stops working before that :/20:37
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hatseflatsregardless, I don't have an obvious way of charging the battery, the n810 won't boot off the AC adapter that came with it, and power can't be supplied over USB either20:38
hatseflatsso unless I hook up some similar battery by hacking the connectors on the board or whatnot it's a catch2220:38
hatseflatsor something like that20:38
ShadowJKand the ac adapter's output is not suitable for supplying to N810 battery bay either20:38
ShadowJKyep, it is20:38
hatseflatsso, what you're saying is, I'm fucked and there's nothing I can really do at all20:39
Stskeepshatseflats: charge your battery with another nokia device20:39
hatseflatsStskeeps: don't have any other nokia device that fits this battery20:39
ShadowJKwell... there's the 10 dollar battery lottery on ebay, or 20-ish for something less random :)20:40
Stskeepshatseflats: go to a nokia store and ask if you can get it charged20:40
Stskeepsor buy a fresh one20:40
hatseflatsoh well20:40
mgedminhatseflats, have you tried plugging the charger in and leaving it overnight?20:40
mgedminor does it start the reboot loop when you do that?20:40
hatseflatsmgedmin: starts the loop20:40
hatseflatsI don't get why nokia wouldn't build in a low-level charging routine in ther e anyway20:41
Stskeepshatseflats: there was a bug in th regard, so20:41
mgedminI got the impression there is one20:41
hatseflatsor why in the name of reason they need software to charge20:41
mgedminif the software isn't running, the charging works, but very very slowly and carefully20:41
mgedminsw is needed to enable high-performance charging20:41
mgedminthis is all hearsay20:42
mgedmineither from this channel or from what people said on the mailing list20:42
ShadowJKli-ion degrades quicköy when it sits at 2.6V a day or two at that, and the N810 wouldn't be able to charge it anyway, even if you had initially managed to charge it elsewhere :/20:42
hatseflatsso if I can get it to stop looping and just leave it for a night or something like that, it should be okay?20:42
mgedmingetting somebody from Nokia to reply with advice might be good20:42
mgedminI don't feel qualified to say whether that would be ok or not20:42
mgedminI wouldn't want to leave a reboot loop overnight20:43
mgedminrebooting eats a lot of battery power20:43
hatseflatsno, definitively not20:43
mgedminprobably more than the charger supplies during that time period20:43
ShadowJKnokia care will pop in a new battery and charge you retail price plus, if it works with that..20:43
hatseflatsbut there where points where it stopped looping, I figured itwas because it had drained all it could form the battery20:43
mgedminespecially if the charging sw is not up yet20:43
mgedmina new battery sounds like a good idea20:43
mgedminor talking to nokia care20:43
hatseflatssounds good. Actually, it doesn't, but I ain't got no other choices :)20:44
hatseflatsthanks guys20:44
mgedminthere are standalone nokia battery chargers, aren't there?20:44
hatseflatsyes there are20:44
hatseflatswith the repairtechs20:44
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hatseflatssame as fake batteries that hook up to ac power directly for testing purposes20:44
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ShadowJKthe ac adapter output isnt suitable for connecting direct to n810 battery contacts... and not suitable to connect straight to battery either...20:45
ShadowJKabout to get busy at work, back in 90 minutes or so20:45
hatseflatsShadowJK: a 'fake' battery, that just drains directly from AC and emulates battery behaviour20:46
hatseflatsfor testing purposes, they use it for repair / warrenty techs20:46
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pupniki am multitasking all my stuff on n900.  pc is almodt a dinosaaur now21:10
|Ris anyone able to sync their tabs in weave / fennec ?21:15
|Rbookmarks work, history too, but tabs say "remote tabs are being synced..." and it's been 10 minutes21:15
odin_where is the auto-optifier script ?  (what is it called) ?21:17
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* dottedmag suspects it's a FAQ, but anyway - is it possible to sync N900 with something on Linux desktop without using third-party server?21:31
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dottedmagUgh. Sync addressbook, I meant.21:36
Shapeshifterwhoooooo, finally my n900 sits ready for pickup at the retailer21:36
dottedmagWith all funny 3-way-merges etc.21:36
zashShapeshifter: EEEENVY!21:36
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villagersure, just run syncevolution 1.0 beta (or opensync, if you can make it work) on the desktop21:37
Shapeshifterzash: well, everyone else already has one, no?21:37
zashShapeshifter: not me :( ... yet21:37
Shapeshifterzash: which country?21:37
Shapeshifterzash: mhh, no clue about sweeden. the n900 arrived here in switzerland only 3 days ago, though.21:37
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pajpcan I paste text into an arbitrary text field? I copied my WPA key from the X Terminal, but I'm too stupid to understand how I can paste it into the WPA password field in the WLAN connection wizard21:39
dottedmagvillager: so, n900 just provides a syncml client?21:39
zashdottedmag: try ctrl+v ?21:39
SpeedEvilpajp: ctrl-v?21:39
pajpuh, too obvious. :-)21:39
* pajp tries21:39
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villagerdottedmag: nokia provides a built-in funambol-based syncml thing in the n900 that works over bluetooth/usb but not the internet, syncevolution 1.0 beta on the desktop should be able to connect to it without installing anything on the n900, I think, haven't tried21:40
dottedmagvillager: cool, thanks. will try.21:41
villagerdottedmag: if you want to do syncml over tcp/ip then you've got to also install syncevolution on the n90021:41
pajpSpeedEvil: thanks! (and zash too I assumed was answering me)21:41
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dottedmagI'm still confused about the topology of SyncML stuff. Clients? Servers? p2p synchronization?21:41
AndrewFBlackHow do I put screenshot on downloads.maemo.org21:41
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SpeedEvilrandom: gnuplot plot [0:1] x,10 works, plot 10,[0:1] x doesnot...21:42
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plastunhello! How can I upload packages to diablo-extras?21:47
villagerdottedmag: I do suspect that nokia's syncml can act as both a client and server... a client if the pc tells it to sync, and a server if you go into the n900 menus and tell it to fetch contacts from your old phone21:47
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villagerdottedmag: in syncml, the client is the "dumb" part, the server is the one doing all the merging21:48
dottedmagvillager: well, that makes sense21:48
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dottedmagvillager: and is syncevolution a client or server?21:49
villagerdottedmag: 0.9 is only a client, 1.0 adds server capabilities21:49
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dottedmagWell, pieces of puzzle start falling in place. And SyncML client is not necessarily the component that initiates the connection, right?21:51
dottedmagSo server running on desktop may start sync with client running on phone.21:51
villagerI don't think so, no, but I'm not an expert here21:52
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villagerif you connect to the phone over bluetooth, then the pc can presumably send a command that asks the phone to start syncing with the pc as a client21:53
villagerthe phone is the client, that is21:53
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dottedmagwell, that's exactly what I meant.21:54
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dproI guess some of you have noticed that sb occasionally loses it's network connection anyone figured out why that is (and possibly how to fix it) ??21:57
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Stskeepsevening RevdKathy22:07
odin_jebba, thanks for reply (re optify)22:07
RevdKathyEvening Stskeeps, evening all22:07
RevdKathyTalkative in here tonight!22:09
Stskeepsfriday evening, people's out drinking or on complaining about no harmattan on n900 rumours22:10
StskeepsX-Fade: how is optification heuristics specified?22:10
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mikhasStskeeps, isnt the idea that with the n900, you could do both at the same time?22:11
Stskeepsmikhas: true, true22:11
SpeedEvilgiven enough RAM22:12
SpeedEviltwo widget libs in RAM at once = badness.22:12
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pupnikthe approach of maemo is audacious in all it strives to support22:14
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dmj7261Hi shinkamui22:33
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penguinbaitgot to love firestorms!!22:40
odin_does the auto-build system allow me to send arbitrary stuff to build upto it ?  without creating a project, to test the environment works as expected ?22:45
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AndrewFBlackhow do you put screenshots on
fralsAndrewFBlack: log in, get the midgardmenu stuff and press Page-> edit22:49
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fralson your package download site22:49
jebbaodin_: i think anything you submit to it that builds gets dropped into extras-devel. What exactly are you wanting? Perhaps you could build it on another box.22:49
AndrewFBlackfrals thanks22:49
AndrewFBlackit says locked but I would assume thats because its a new package ?22:50
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b-man17OMG I'M SOOOO HAPPY I JUST GOT MY N900!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!22:52
* b-man17 unboxes it22:52
frals thats the page you want to edit I assume AndrewFBlack22:52
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AndrewFBlackfrals, yeah22:52
AndrewFBlackgrats b-man1722:52
fralsdoes it say locked when you press edit or when you try to submit the screenshot? because i can press edit just fine on it at least22:53
Matthew-hey frals22:53
b-man17wow, it's quite small! xD22:53
Matthew-when fmms is going to testing?:)22:53
fralsMatthew-: uh, its gonna be a while before that ;)22:54
Matthew-frals: would be funny if they implement it with next upgrade22:55
fralsseeing as they have said they have no such plans, i'd find it highly unlikely ;)22:55
Matthew-Oh did they22:55
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Matthew-frals: Oh you little star :*22:57
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dmj7261Anyone notice iphone users getting jealous of the n900?22:58
Matthew-dmj7261: yeah22:58
Matthew-frals: Hmmmm they want to kill you22:58
Matthew-and obduct you22:59
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Matthew-frals: isnt the Maemo HQ in Espoo ? :>22:59
AndrewFBlackfrals when I press edit22:59
fralsI wouldn't know, either way I'm going to Helsinki :P23:00
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Matthew-frals: Oh are you?23:00
fralsAndrewFBlack: weird23:00
AndrewFBlackfrals, This object was locked by Nick Leppänen Larsson. Lock will expire on 01/29/10 23:49:03. is what it says23:00
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fralsoh lol23:00
Matthew-frals: ifreq is from helsinki! :-)23:00
fralsthats me, guess it locked it when i pressed edit :P23:00
dmj7261I've been noticing that iphone users generally get jealous when they see the n900.23:01
AndrewFBlackfrals, lol ok23:01
fralswonder how I release that lock... :P23:01
fralsfunny how I managed to lock your page, I jsut picked the first one I saw on downloads :P23:01
AndrewFBlackI might just have to wait lol23:01
AndrewFBlackso anyone can edit a page?23:02
fralsseems like it23:02
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* frals stays away from them pages from now on lol23:03
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pupnikmy geforce gtx 260 gpu core is at 32 deg celsius.   do we have a temp sensor on n900?23:04
pajpwhy cant I apt-get install from a root shell? it just says "Abort." and exits23:05
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GeneralAntillespupnik, yes.23:06
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felipeczaheerm: ping23:10
AndrewFBlackdo you have to open fmms to download mms?23:11
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fralsAndrewFBlack: unless the correct connection was opened when it arrived, yes23:11
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AOKguys any ideas why My google talk is not working23:14
AOKNokia N900\23:14
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AOKIt goes with error in network23:16
pobegais there any way to get the application manager to respect some sort of preference file? /etc/apt/preferences doesn't seem to work, and I'd like to pin a package.23:16
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tybollthmmm what repo is the gadget that gives you snap to grid in?23:17
AndrewFBlacklooks like I goig to have to redue my numbers in contacts they all have - in them and fmms doesn´t like it23:19
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pupniky'all should use synergy when setting n900 on the desk.  it's real fun.23:22
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AOKany info on the GTALK and OVI error message?23:23
AOKSo far these two didin't helped :-(23:23
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pupniki don't use gtalk23:27
pupnikwhat's cool about it AOK?23:27
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AOKWell just wanted to have all coversations optiond on. Additionally I hope they will embede FB Chat pupnik23:29
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slops17any one have instructions on putting debian on the n900?23:30
SpeedEvilDon't put debian on floppies on the n900 - it might squash it. CDs and DVDs are fine.23:30
zashSpeedEvil: what, can't it handle 7k floppies beeing stacked on it?23:31
pupnikhey we have a free phone app yet?23:32
QuibusIs there someone in the room who knows about packaging? I'm trying to port a Debian package23:33
QuibusIt contains a patch as well. I was wondering if that patch is supposed to be auto-applied by dpkg-buildpkg or if I should do it manually. In the latter case, will it be auto-patched in the autobuilder?23:34
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mtnbkrcool... Just found Vagalume for streaming from  Nice23:39
threshi wish there was a scrobbling plugin for media player23:40
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SpeedEvilthresh: I saw wsome plugins dfor media player I think int eh repos23:42
threshis it me who stoned23:42
* SpeedEvil passes thresh a pile of cookies, and observes the results.23:42
threshom nom nom23:43
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threshanyway, i think those are for canola23:43
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* Stskeeps watches the m6 on n900 thread23:50
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, having fun? :P23:52
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: my head hurts from banging it so much against the wall23:52
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, hehe.23:52
fradehi, is there any document explaining how to optify a python application?23:53
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: did i post in this thread anywhere?23:54
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, no idea.23:54
* Stskeeps looks for his distmaster cap23:54
b-man17Stskeeps: btw, i've gotten my n900 now :)23:54
Stskeepsb-man17: may god have mercy on us all23:54
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, I still want to hack together a plugin that lets Quim put the appropriate cap on his avatar when posting.23:56
b-man17the best part is that i haven't seen any of the issues that people have been complaining about on tmo xD23:56
viszjust tried 'hermes' for n90023:57
viszquite nice23:57
viszupdated contacts with information from facebook23:57
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viszincluding pictures and birthdays23:57
threshit is indeed23:57
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