| RST38h | Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| javispedro | it even has Apple Games. | 00:00 |
| villager | Goliath23: what's the log this time? | 00:00 |
| RST38h | iPad has NO MULTITASKING | 00:00 |
| red | heya, i did a tracker-proceses --hard-reset | 00:00 |
| Goliath23 | villager: same | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: just like real men! | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:00 |
| red | then | 00:00 |
| red | Starting Tracker...Initializing trackerd... | 00:00 |
| red | Writing default configuration to file:'/root/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg' | 00:00 |
| red | Segmentation fault failed! | 00:00 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: what do you expect. only pirates use multitasking!! | 00:00 |
| villager | Goliath23: in the html? | 00:00 |
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| red | anyone know why it errors? | 00:00 |
| Goliath23 | villager: yes | 00:00 |
| woglinde | jo | 00:00 |
| red | was with root access | 00:00 |
| woglinde | mooooooooooooooooooooo | 00:00 |
| Goliath23 | villager: wait, uploading the new one. | 00:00 |
| RST38h | moo woglinde | 00:00 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: who needs multitasking, eh? | 00:01 |
| RST38h | javis: But.... how....? | 00:01 |
| ifreq | ipad is based on itouch/iphone OS.. so no news | 00:01 |
| RST38h | I mean... it is not a phone any more... | 00:01 |
| slonopotamus | moo? it's 1am. | 00:01 |
| ifreq | tho it gets multitaskin on 4.0 version prob.. | 00:01 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: yes. and I am jumping over the moon. | 00:01 |
| Goliath23 | villager: new log is up... | 00:01 |
| RST38h | anyways, gotta go. | 00:02 |
| Goliath23 | villager: config entry reads: type = calendar:text/x-vcalendar! | 00:02 |
| chx | lol, even the iPad has no multitasking? are you sure? | 00:02 |
| shamus | appile is at it again? | 00:02 |
| w00t | chx: yes. | 00:02 |
| chx | wasnt the news that it has some bad ass , probably multicore Cortex A9 based CPU? | 00:02 |
| villager | Goliath23: ok, well, I have no idea what to do about this text/x-s4j-sife thing in the log, then | 00:02 |
| javispedro | chx: instead of that it has some bad ass totally unknown CPU. | 00:03 |
| chx | anyways, back to the original question, can you use an N900 to be the 3G modem for an N810? | 00:03 |
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| chx | javispedro: oh. | 00:03 |
| Goliath23 | villager: okay. search a bit on google and contact the horde guys maybe tomorrow | 00:03 |
| lardman | night all! | 00:03 |
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| javispedro | nite lardman | 00:03 |
| shamus | not sure why not chx | 00:03 |
| RevAaron | I've an N800 I'm trying to ressurect. It doesn't boot, just sticks at the NOKIA splash screen. Died 8 months after I got it. I can't reflash, either. Didn't happen after a flash, just out of the blue. Ideas? | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | RevAaron: did you have chinook or diablo on it? | 00:04 |
| chx | shamus: OH | 00:04 |
| chx | shamus: that would be some awesome. | 00:04 |
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| RevAaron | Stskeeps: I'm not sure, truth be told. I don't believe I did but I'm not totally sure. | 00:04 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | RevAaron: right. are you able to charge the battery in another phone? | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | or device | 00:05 |
| RevAaron | Stskeeps: well, no. but I don't think it's a matter of charging. It will sit in this boot/fail/reboot loop for hours. | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | RevAaron: trust me, this is a battery issue | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:06 |
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| Stskeeps | i had a n800 that did same | 00:06 |
| RevAaron | Stskeeps: ah, ok. but nope, no other device. | 00:06 |
| shamus | i found that to get my n800 to flash oi need to use the usb ports on the back of my computer | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | RevAaron: hmm | 00:06 |
| javispedro | "SHIPPING IN LATE MARCH?" | 00:07 |
| javispedro | no way. I want my iPad now! | 00:07 |
| VDVsx | OMG OMG only in March ???? | 00:07 |
| javispedro | LATE march!! | 00:07 |
| VDVsx | oh no | 00:07 |
| RevAaron | shamus: i've tried that. I've flashed it without issue before, I just can't now. | 00:07 |
| shamus | not sure then | 00:07 |
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| Stskeeps | RevAaron: my way was to charge it with another n800 :P | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | If the battery is crap, a lower power charger can work too. | 00:09 |
| RevAaron | Stskeeps: is it that it isn't charged? if it can sit in a reboot cycle for an hour would that not be the case? I could try that again to make sure I'm not confused. | 00:09 |
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| ShadowJK | bme bugs are curious :) | 00:09 |
| javispedro | some Nokia shops will charge batteries | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | RevAaron: basically chinook had a bug in that regard | 00:09 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: what kind of low power charger? that is, voltage or amperage? i may have a universal charger around to try. | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | amperage | 00:10 |
| cehteh | late march? .. my n900? :) | 00:10 |
| Damion2 | if I edit /etc/event.d/xomap to add +accessx to the dsmetool line, what are the chances I'm going to need to reflash? | 00:10 |
| belsatsar | just buy a universal charger | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | well both really | 00:10 |
| shamus | hum ipad == iphone with same limitations just a biger screen | 00:10 |
| RevAaron | Stskeeps: looking at screenshots, i'm pretty sure I did upgrade to diablo | 00:11 |
| chx | Anyone here tried N900 on Wind Mobile? | 00:11 |
| Damion2 | is there some sort of drop to workable console shell to repare stuff like this? | 00:11 |
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| RevAaron | ShadowJK: but what kind of V/A should I be looking for? | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | bme in diablo still atleast has a "bug" making it unable to charge batteries that have degraded alot n performance. Basically it panics when voltage becomes dangerously high, aborts, at which point device reboots. A lower power charger wont raise the voltage as much | 00:11 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: gotcha. | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | Oh in my case 200-300mA worked | 00:12 |
| RevAaron | Shadikka: ah, ok. | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | where the included 800mA failed | 00:12 |
| * RevAaron nods | 00:12 | |
| Shadikka | tabfail | 00:12 |
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| RevAaron | Shadikka: worer | 00:13 |
| RevAaron | er | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | but of course it might not be the battery at fault anyway | 00:13 |
| RevAaron | BLAH | 00:13 |
| RevAaron | tabdeath entirely | 00:13 |
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| ShadowJK | or power related issues | 00:13 |
| shamus | when in doubt check the batteries / charger | 00:14 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: well, maybe I could harass you or Stskeeps into popping one of your own batteries on it. if i can't get it to work, it isn't worth much to me. which may invite theft, but not sure where else I can go. | 00:14 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess you don't have a voltmeter/digital multimeter type thing? | 00:15 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: yup, i have a multimeter | 00:15 |
| ShadowJK | oh cool, do you know how to use it? | 00:15 |
| red | afound a pretty odd bug in N900 and no idea how to replicate it.. my tracker caches were kaput and my .camera folder under MyDocs had completely disappeared -- and mind you I haven't plugged the phone into my PC for like a week now so I couldn't have cut and pasted it or anything | 00:15 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 00:15 |
| red | couldnt even restart the tracker until i manually created the .camera dir | 00:16 |
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| ShadowJK | red cable in Vma hole, black in com. NOT in "10adc" hole. Dial set to DCV 20V. test leads on the towo outer pins on the battery. | 00:18 |
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| Damion2 | red: my trackerd started to fail and I found corrupt cache .db files in .cache/tracker | 00:18 |
| red | Damion2: alright. mine couldnt run at all, just log full off errors | 00:19 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: i'll take a look when I get home. | 00:19 |
| red | then i destroyed them all by hard-reset | 00:19 |
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| Damion2 | I noticed issues in syslog shortly after dumping a several 100meg tar and then extracting | 00:19 |
| red | but it still wouldnt run, and then it errored about no camera dir | 00:19 |
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| ShadowJK | over 3.7V is good, less than 3.6V is empty. 3.2 is really empty. 2.5 is dangerously empty :) | 00:19 |
| red | mmm, i did receive some big zips | 00:19 |
| Damion2 | I suspected too much %age of disk io on the mmc upset that daemon | 00:19 |
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| red | and actually extracted one of them too | 00:20 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: so, if my N800 is affected by this bug, you'd expect something than 3.6, ja? | 00:20 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: and, should I see this problem when the device is on battery only or just when the power is pluggd in? | 00:20 |
| Damion2 | the tracker might have some sort of timeout and coupled with a massive tree of new files might have done it | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | just when power is plugged in | 00:21 |
| belsatsar | contender for best pic taken with N900: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaaksi/4248569176/ | 00:21 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: so, when the device boots on just battery it should work? | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | if there's sufficient power in the battery, yeah | 00:22 |
| tybollt | so who | 00:22 |
| tybollt | s working on putting / on sd? | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | it's kinda hard to tell the difference and say WHY the device reboots or shuts down, though... | 00:22 |
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| RevAaron | i just mean that it would help rule this problem out or not | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | ultimately the only way is to replace suspected components until flaw is found | 00:23 |
| RevAaron | i'd love to find out it was just this, but i'm doubtful from what i remember the pattern being... that said, i've not looked at it for a while, and I'm hoping I"m remembering incorrectly. | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | well definitely if it boots into desktop on battery, and then reboots when you connect power, I would suspect the battery | 00:24 |
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| ShadowJK | it could just as easily be a software issue that would be fixed with reflashing too | 00:24 |
| lantizia | Hey, any reason why cover.jpg files never ever get read? | 00:24 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: but that's the thing- i don't seem to be able to get to the point of reflashing. | 00:24 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: still engadges in its deathloop | 00:25 |
| lantizia | I can't put the album art in to the media files as the maemo MP doesn't understand them in Ogg files either | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK | ah right | 00:25 |
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| ShadowJK | So you wouldn't happen to have a Lab Powersupply too.. | 00:26 |
| embedded | Hi all | 00:26 |
| Damion2 | info embedded | 00:26 |
| Damion2 | I mean hi embedded | 00:26 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: not one that works. :/ | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | aw :/ | 00:27 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: i do have voltage regulators, a few adjustable ones as well as 3.3V and 5V | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | voltage regs can't be abused for battery charging :( | 00:28 |
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| ShadowJK | voltage regs and liion batteries can be abused to create explosives, however :) | 00:28 |
| RevAaron | boom! | 00:28 |
| RevAaron | :) | 00:28 |
| RevAaron | i'll avoid that for now | 00:29 |
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| embedded | Is there someone who have had the following issue with Esbox installed on Ubuntu 9.10 ? : Mouse clicks seem to don't get any effect on some Esbox buttons (i.e. in the new Maemo Project window) | 00:29 |
| embedded | in such cases I have to use the keys shortcuts to proceed :P | 00:30 |
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| belsatsar | vmware? | 00:31 |
| embedded | no, native installation | 00:31 |
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| tybollt | funny you know... | 00:32 |
| embedded | ? | 00:32 |
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| tybollt | I have a 3.5" N900 that multitasks like a champ | 00:32 |
| tybollt | apple today launched the ipad - a full on latop/netbook:ish thing ... that lacks multitasking :-) | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | and no flash | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | will be interesting to see how that goes | 00:33 |
| shamus | thus is useless | 00:33 |
| tybollt | well | 00:33 |
| embedded | hey guys, no one that experimented this Esbox issue before??? | 00:33 |
| tybollt | it has jobs blessing | 00:33 |
| tybollt | so the iPeople will of course get them :) | 00:34 |
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| derf | Apple has been selling things that don't support multitasking since the 80's. | 00:35 |
| embedded | no solution for that? | 00:35 |
| derf | I mean, I still remember the ability to run more than one program at a time being introduced as a big, new feature in whatever version of MacOS from way back when. | 00:36 |
| tybollt | derf: :D | 00:36 |
| derf | And my Apple IIGS never supported it. | 00:36 |
| tybollt | yes | 00:37 |
| thomaz | what package should i be looking for to convert audio files in maemo 5? | 00:37 |
| tybollt | for a long time, up until mac os x went unix (IIRC) it was merely task switching and not preemptively multitasking | 00:37 |
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| RevAaron | the IIgs supported multitasking, at least in GSOS. that said, DOS never supported multitasking. | 00:38 |
| tybollt | thomaz: ffmpeg of course | 00:38 |
| RevAaron | tybollt: like Windows 9x, yeah | 00:38 |
| thomaz | tybollt, thanks | 00:38 |
| tybollt | RevAaron: cactly | 00:38 |
| belsatsar | i still have an original copy of doubledos on 5.25" disk with packaging | 00:38 |
| belsatsar | dubious collector's item | 00:38 |
| RevAaron | hehe | 00:38 |
| tybollt | thomaz: though why on earth you want to do that on such a low power device is beyond me | 00:38 |
| kynky | mac os x stole bsd with a promise that they broke afaik (promise in relation to opendarwin) | 00:38 |
| RevAaron | I sold a compy of WIndows 1.03 on eBay back in 1999, when i was a freshman in college. sold it for $150, so i was happy. :) | 00:39 |
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| thomaz | tybollt, just want to convert audio recorded on it | 00:39 |
| javispedro | RevAaron: 95 has preemptive multitasking (as long as you don't do 16 bits stuff) | 00:39 |
| tybollt | thomaz: ffmpeg is you friend | 00:39 |
| thomaz | tybollt, awesome... i will actually do it on my laptop, but good to know that i can do it on the phone | 00:39 |
| tybollt | thomaz: I'd use ffmpeg on the laptop too | 00:40 |
| RevAaron | javispedro: or deal with I/O, which unfortunately dampers things a bit | 00:40 |
| thomaz | tybollt, thanks :) | 00:41 |
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| javispedro | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0128-rm-eng.jpg | 00:50 |
| javispedro | heeehee. | 00:50 |
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| ali1234 | $14.99 for 250GB of 3G is ... interesting | 00:51 |
| zash | ali1234: GB? | 00:52 |
| zash | ali1234: isn't it MB | 00:52 |
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| belsatsar | http://www.flickr.com/photos/44396766@N07/4253552287/sizes/o/ ice, and light | 00:52 |
| ali1234 | maybe this is a mistake | 00:52 |
| zash | (if it's the tablet thingy) | 00:52 |
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| ali1234 | but 250MB would be too little | 00:52 |
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| ali1234 | i get 2GB for £5 | 00:53 |
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| RevAaron | it's 250 MB | 00:53 |
| ali1234 | i see | 00:53 |
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| ali1234 | cnn has a mistake then :) | 00:53 |
| RevAaron | big surprise! | 00:54 |
| RevAaron | :) | 00:54 |
| ali1234 | even by ADSL has a 60GB limit | 00:54 |
| ali1234 | *my | 00:54 |
| glass_ | your adsl seriously sucks | 00:54 |
| ali1234 | yeah i know, and it's one of the highest limits in the country too | 00:54 |
| ali1234 | BT recently had a press release news story about their new 40mbit cable, which will have a 20GB monthly cap | 00:55 |
| ali1234 | i mean ADSL, BT don't do cable | 00:55 |
| RevAaron | why bother having 40 mbit cable? | 00:56 |
| RevAaron | if you have a 20 GB cap?! | 00:56 |
| RevAaron | that's only a few solaris dvds! | 00:56 |
| ali1234 | well why bother having 40 mbit anything if you can only use it 1.2 hours per month? | 00:56 |
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| RevAaron | exactly | 00:56 |
| Caesium | the other half of the story of course is there is an unmetered product too. | 00:56 |
| RevAaron | yeah | 00:56 |
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| RevAaron | i like the no contract bit, that's for sure | 00:57 |
| Caesium | http://www.samknows.com/broadband/news/bt-infinity-fibre-battles-virgin-on-price-and-upload-speeds-10364.html | 00:57 |
| glass_ | ali1234: so that your limit gets faster used if you get flooded(point of having 40mbit on capped) | 00:57 |
| Caesium | given the price differences I'm not quite sure why anyone would go for the 20GB limited one | 00:57 |
| ali1234 | that's unlimited**** not unlimited | 00:57 |
| Caesium | yeah :) | 00:57 |
| Caesium | 4 *s lol :D | 00:57 |
| Caesium | so much smallprint these days | 00:58 |
| frals | <3 sweden, 100mbit unlimited for 20€ a month | 00:58 |
| ali1234 | also, most phone lines can;t even support ADSL2+ let alone this new thing | 00:58 |
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| Caesium | what technology does this use, VDSL? | 00:59 |
| RevAaron | main, i should live in scandanavia | 00:59 |
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| ali1234 | if you look at BT wholesale ADSL prices, no UK BT-reseller ISP can offer more than about 1GB per £10 before users start contending for bandwidth | 01:01 |
| belsatsar | "Swedish Government Promises Citizens 100MB Broadband" | 01:01 |
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| tybollt | frals: and today most employers pay for it anyway :) | 01:01 |
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| Arkenoi | droid guys say it is safe to run a8 at 800MHz | 01:05 |
| ali1234 | "safe"? | 01:05 |
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| Arkenoi | not crashing and not damaging for sure too | 01:06 |
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| ali1234 | surely that depends on the heatsink? | 01:06 |
| Arkenoi | yes but i doubt droid has better one given it stock frequency is lower | 01:06 |
| javispedro | "a8" is not a physical thing | 01:07 |
| ali1234 | that too | 01:07 |
| tybollt | so who has the overclocking app? | 01:07 |
| ali1234 | also, there is no "stock frequency", it scales automatically | 01:07 |
| cehteh | how much power will that draw? | 01:07 |
| cehteh | twice as much? | 01:08 |
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| tybollt | shrug | 01:08 |
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| DrHouseMD | Anyone know what I would need to do to route incall audio out over the /dev/radio1 device? | 01:08 |
| tybollt | I'll buy a new phone in half a year anyhow | 01:08 |
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| Arkenoi | i doubt there will be another maemo phone with keyboard in 2010 | 01:10 |
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| Arkenoi | i want clamshell but i doubt i will ever see it | 01:10 |
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| Damion2 | they may never do another keyboard device and completely copy apple from now on | 01:16 |
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| Damion2 | or they might release a maemo with drivers for the n97 and let ppl flash that direction | 01:18 |
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| Arkenoi | quite strange: i cannot select russian keyboard layout while trying to post a comment in google reader. other web forms work ok. what can be the reason? | 01:19 |
| timeless_mbp | google reader is ajax | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | which means that key handling is 'special' | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | most forms are just browser owned textareas | 01:20 |
| woglinde | hm seems ipad uses the same ti chip family for gsm/gps | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | try: | 01:20 |
| woglinde | as n900 | 01:20 |
| ScribbleJ | Is it something I did wrong that's getting me 'size mistmatch' for various packages in extras-devel, or is that par for the course? | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | data:text/html,<iframe contenteditable=1> | 01:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | ScribbleJ: par | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | our repos corrupt themselves periodically | 01:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | it adds to the excitement | 01:21 |
| ScribbleJ | How long does it usually go before fixing? | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | something like 10mins iirc | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | but it could corrupt itself then | 01:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's fun :) | 01:21 |
| ph1l | For your information: Auditing Support (CONFIG_AUDIT) doesn't seem to work on arm... | 01:21 |
| ScribbleJ | OK, this is different, it's been going on for about 24 hours now for me. | 01:21 |
| ScribbleJ | Are you /sure/ it's not my fault? | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | ScribbleJ: so | 01:22 |
| ScribbleJ | Here's an example: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/f/ffmpeg/libpostproc51_0.5+svn20090706-5_armel.deb Size mismatch | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | debian repositories work like this | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a Packages file | 01:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | which has meta data including package name, package path, package size | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | then there's the actual file, which obviously has a path and size | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | (and internally a name) | 01:23 |
| PaulAnagrama | hi. where, in what directory are the desktop webshortcuts kept? | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | if the size in Packages doesn't match the size in the file system of the repository, then there's obviously a problem | 01:23 |
| lantizia | Can I uninstall the media player on the N900 due to it being a piece of *hit and put something else on | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulAnagrama: /var/lib/gconf/something | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulAnagrama: "Use Tweakr" | 01:23 |
| lantizia | I've spent -YET ANOTHER- full evening digging through forums trying to out why album art isn't showing up | 01:24 |
| ScribbleJ | Right... but I moved the /var/lib/apt/lists to /home/apt/lists and symlinked it because the devel-extras packages file is 15MB | 01:24 |
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| wiretapped | timeless_mbp: where are web passwords stored? | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | lantizia: uninstalling nokia core software will make upgrading to another version painful | 01:24 |
| ScribbleJ | But I suppose this is not the error I would get if that was a problem. | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | wiretapped: in a database, just install the microb extension that lets you view them | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | it's in extras iirc | 01:24 |
| wiretapped | can you point me to where the db is? | 01:24 |
| wiretapped | sqlite hopefully? | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | wiretapped: they're standard gecko | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | what are you trying to do? | 01:25 |
| wiretapped | just change a saved password | 01:25 |
| wiretapped | also see which i've saved | 01:25 |
| lantizia | timeless, it's daft how everything is just under the "maemo" package when you first yet it | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | wiretapped: install the addon instead | 01:25 |
| ali1234 | lantizia: that's how it stays too | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | lantizia: not true! | 01:25 |
| wiretapped | could use the extension, but if it is just a sqlite db... | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the tutorial is *not* under it :) | 01:25 |
| ali1234 | yeah, the crappy adware is not under it either thankfully | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | wiretapped: microb-engine-common-ext | 01:26 |
| wiretapped | thanks | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | wiretapped: please share the joy w/ your friends | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | ali1234: indeed | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | they did something almost right :) | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, apt mostly sucks for this | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | IPS is much better | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | package:entire | 01:27 |
| Damion2 | if I turn on sticky keys it makes ctrl sticky but turns off shift :( | 01:27 |
| ScribbleJ | IPS? | 01:27 |
| belsatsar | Angry Ticks fly out of my nipples. | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | OpenSolaris's solution to packaging | 01:28 |
| ScribbleJ | Ah | 01:28 |
| ali1234 | well, i never had ubuntu refuse to install updates because i installed custom packages | 01:28 |
| ScribbleJ | Is there a commandline repo browser like aptitude for the N900? | 01:28 |
| ali1234 | not even on dist-upgrade, which seems to basically be the only kind of upgrade nokia does | 01:28 |
| timeless_mbp | ali1234: you've never installed interesting packages :) | 01:28 |
| ali1234 | on the contrary, i install "interesting" packages all the time | 01:28 |
| timeless_mbp | ali1234: i've had fun doing upgrades e.g. Corel Linux => Debian | 01:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | ali1234: well, you obviously haven't had things which pin "not greater than" | 01:29 |
| belsatsar | use the grep luke | 01:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure i've had apps which had such | 01:29 |
| ali1234 | i haven't had to deal with stuff like that since i quit using gentoo :) | 01:29 |
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| ali1234 | but the main reason i don't have this problem is because ubuntu has a sensible package manager that will install what upgrades it can, and then tell you *why* it couldn't install the others | 01:30 |
| belsatsar | yeah some work has gone into sensible feedback in ubuntu | 01:31 |
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| PaulAnagrama | timeless_mbp, thanks for telling me about Tweakr. I see that with Tweakr I can edit the title of the shortcuts, what I need is to edit the address. I need to add the shortcut to: "http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=getnew" | 01:31 |
| belsatsar | "So Pandora is going to be a retro-console in more than one sense." hehehe | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulAnagrama: well | 01:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd suggest you just delete it and add a new one from browser | 01:33 |
| timeless_mbp | but the right answer is that it lives in gconf | 01:33 |
| timeless_mbp | which is only "sorta" in the file system | 01:33 |
| timeless_mbp | you shouldn't officially poke the file system directly | 01:33 |
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| PaulAnagrama | doesnt work, if I go to that address in browser, the browser will open: "http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=6352602" not "http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=getnew" | 01:34 |
| javispedro | er.. | 01:34 |
| javispedro | does the searchid change every time? | 01:34 |
| belsatsar | ahahaha "The problem lies in at the rate at which the Chinese drive. It takes them forever to just get to the factory. They should just live there like slaves" | 01:34 |
| PaulAnagrama | yes | 01:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | PaulAnagrama: open browser bookmarks | 01:34 |
| timeless_mbp | create / edit a bookmark until it's how you like it | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | then go to the desktop | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | tap the title area | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | tap the title area until you get a menu | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | tap add bookmark | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | grab the thing from there | 01:35 |
| PaulAnagrama | timeless_mbp: ahh, yeah, I understand what you mean, good one | 01:35 |
| PaulAnagrama | thanks | 01:35 |
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| PaulAnagrama | timeless_mbp: yeap, that worked! thanks again. | 01:38 |
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| wiretapped | timeless_mbp: is there a way to make microb use a saved password without prompting? | 01:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | wiretapped: so... | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | that's a security risk | 01:40 |
| wiretapped | yeah | 01:41 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly "we shouldn't let you, because it'll let web sites steal your credentials when they're hacked" | 01:41 |
| wiretapped | but for just this one url, i really want it to :/ | 01:41 |
| timeless_mbp | so, i hope you'll accept that answer | 01:41 |
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| apoi | Hi! Is there a terminal emulator for n900/Maemo5 which supports different encodings (ISO-8859-1)? | 02:04 |
| belsatsar | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20918 maybe | 02:07 |
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| apoi | belsatsar: Looks like it's for OS2008. | 02:11 |
| Kegetys | I think there's a gconf entry for the encoding of the default xterm but I'm not sure | 02:11 |
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| apoi | Kegetys: Thank you, I'll look into that. | 02:13 |
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| mece | I really feel for the apple fanboys today. Poor thing is getting ridiculed on twitter. | 02:19 |
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| apoi | Kegetys: It worked! Thanks a lot! | 02:23 |
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| mtnbkr | YES!! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635#c91 | 02:27 |
| povbot | Bug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth | 02:27 |
| ScribbleJ | Am I going to bork anything if I set a password on user? | 02:27 |
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| belsatsar | no | 02:27 |
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| ScribbleJ | Am I going to bork anything if I unset the passwd on root? | 02:28 |
| mtnbkr | ScribbleJ: security? | 02:28 |
| mtnbkr | :) | 02:28 |
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| ScribbleJ | Well, yes and no. | 02:28 |
| ScribbleJ | You're right that I just don't feel comfortable with it security wise, but another motivation is to see if I can get something like x2x or other X11 over ssh stuff to work. | 02:28 |
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| uhsf | UPS tried to bring me my N900 today but I wasn't home. Their "next attempt" is only next tuesday so I have to wait another week. My perpetual bad luck charm is still going strong. | 02:29 |
| javispedro | actually, your bad luck only starts when you receive the n900. | 02:30 |
| ml-mobile | a whole week to wait for UPS to try again? | 02:30 |
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| KMFDM | UPS's service is horrible | 02:31 |
| uhsf | yes they're very bad | 02:31 |
| KMFDM | their international service is even worse | 02:32 |
| KMFDM | and if you call support | 02:32 |
| ml-mobile | can't you go by and pick it up? | 02:32 |
| KMFDM | you get sent to india | 02:32 |
| KMFDM | lol | 02:32 |
| uhsf | I was out only one full day this week and it was today and they had to come today. | 02:32 |
| uhsf | I don't have car and it's more convenient to just wait anyway. | 02:33 |
| ml-mobile | huh | 02:33 |
| ml-mobile | but still, I've always had UPS try again the next day. | 02:33 |
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| belsatsar | people take beautiful pictures. there is no need for 'artists' any more | 02:39 |
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| Jaffa | Yay, first issue of Maemo Weekly News is receiving submissions: http://twitter.com/mwkn | 02:43 |
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| Jaffa | Contributors who regularly keep an eye on particular places (Bugzilla, Talk, IRC) still welcome: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News | 02:44 |
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| Crash2108 | Can I take any Ubuntu source and compile it on Maemo? | 02:54 |
| timeless_mbp | not if it requires something that doesn't exist in maemo | 02:55 |
| Crash2108 | .join #reddit | 02:55 |
| timeless_mbp | like a Pentium CPU | 02:55 |
| belsatsar | useful links Jaffa | 02:55 |
| Crash2108 | Don't you hate when that happens? It's like getting caught masturbating. | 02:56 |
| Crash2108 | How would I know? | 02:56 |
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| Crash2108 | I'm trying to decide between a Droid and an n900. | 02:56 |
| Crash2108 | I already have a netbook. | 02:57 |
| lcuk | well the n900 wont push you down stairs in the middle o the night | 02:57 |
| Crash2108 | And Droid seems more well-polished in general. | 02:57 |
| hardaker | nearly everything that compiles for ubuntu will compile for n900. But, you'd have to get any pre-reqs compiled as well if they didn't exist. And, obviously, some linux apps assume a much bigger screen size than 800x480. | 02:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Crash2108: roughly | 02:58 |
| timeless_mbp | in general an ubuntu package which isn't incredibly non portable can be ported to maemo | 02:58 |
| timeless_mbp | and might requrie very little effort | 02:58 |
| timeless_mbp | s/ri/ir/ | 02:58 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: and might require very little effort | 02:58 |
| timeless_mbp | but there will be a couple of packages which won't be portable | 02:58 |
| Crash2108 | Viking GPS say. | 02:58 |
| Crash2108 | Does the GPS data come in like a serial stream like on any other computer? | 02:59 |
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| cehteh | dbus iirc | 02:59 |
| hardaker | I've found one sound library that doesn't work when i recompiled it for the n900... but that's likely an issue with alsa/pulseaudio issues. | 02:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | Crash2108: the problem with serial streams | 02:59 |
| timeless_mbp | is that you can't share them | 02:59 |
| timeless_mbp | so the short answer is "yes" | 02:59 |
| belsatsar | http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5916/1264629108172.jpg <<< the iPad (sfw) | 02:59 |
| timeless_mbp | the longer answer is "there's an api wrapping it so that apps can share" | 03:00 |
| ShadowJK | and so that the gps doesn't run needlessly | 03:00 |
| timeless_mbp | and i think there's a repeater api which lets clients that want the serial api to survive | 03:00 |
| timeless_mbp | api/app | 03:00 |
| ShadowJK | gpsd? :) | 03:00 |
| jebba | dang on a new n900 i have the usb port is a bit foo so no charging :( | 03:01 |
| uhsf | if you buy droid you fail, you might as well buy windows while you're at it | 03:01 |
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| uhsf | google is more and more fail lately | 03:01 |
| Crash2108 | Are there any decent games for maemo? | 03:02 |
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| Crash2108 | Application support in general? | 03:02 |
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| ali1234 | do you like snes games? | 03:03 |
| jebba | burgerspace! best ;) | 03:03 |
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| hardaker | Crash2108: doom, open transport tycoon, quake arena, burger space, angry birds (rocks!) | 03:03 |
| hardaker | the android will have more though. | 03:03 |
| ali1234 | someone ported duke nukem too but fps games don't work very well on this form factor | 03:04 |
| hardaker | no, they give me hand cramps. | 03:04 |
| ali1234 | oh yeah and if you install q3a you get a broken egl library that prevents you from installing nokia updates without wiping and reflashing | 03:05 |
| ali1234 | or so i'm told | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: gpsd has beenaround for some time for sharing nmea - but... | 03:05 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: shrug | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Crash2108: the device is not a serial GPS - it's connectedto the phone module - but you probably don't care about that | 03:06 |
| Crash2108 | Serial line with AT commands? | 03:06 |
| belsatsar | http://selectparks.net/~julian/levelhead/ a new game possible with computers and cameras - flag to ali1234, lardman|gone | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | not for the GPS - no | 03:06 |
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| cehteh | Crash2108: there is an API how you query the gps anything beyond that is opaque | 03:07 |
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| Crash2108 | Can one compile anything to Android just the same? | 03:08 |
| cehteh | no | 03:09 |
| ml-mobile | android has its own GUI layer only open to Dalvik apps | 03:09 |
| cehteh | android is a platform on its own .. with its very special java runtime and apis | 03:09 |
| ali1234 | all of which are completely open btw | 03:11 |
| ali1234 | belsatsar: that cube game is a neat hack, but it doesn't look like a particularly fun game... | 03:12 |
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| belsatsar | right | 03:13 |
| Crash2108 | But there's more applications available for Android by default than Maemo, right? | 03:13 |
| belsatsar | such things are important marketing bling imo... AR... http://www.rojtberg.net/353/in-case-you-wondered/ this guy should get free chocolate for life | 03:14 |
| Crash2108 | I'm trying to weigh the possiblity of compiling anything with default support. | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Crash2108: with maemo 5 - you can - pretty much port 'easily' GTK applications that have a sane UI for fingers. | 03:15 |
| Crash2108 | Those augmented reality symbols kind of suck. Not good tracking at all. | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | mamem 5 is - basically - a 2000 desktop linux system in your pocket. | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | they're much much better than the compass + gps method | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | For augmented GPS - there is no compass. | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | even if there *was* a compass i mean | 03:16 |
| belsatsar | i find the keyboard truly usable for texting and light shell stuff | 03:16 |
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| cpscotti | SpeedEvil: about the description.. that's exactly what I think.. and what I love.. But I think we could move it up to 2005.. | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | belsatsar: I've spent perhaps 3-4 hours with it. I was very surprised when I tried typing a few lines blid. | 03:17 |
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| cpscotti | if you think in ways of compatibility | 03:17 |
| cpscotti | and all.. | 03:17 |
| cpscotti | =] | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | cpscotti: I mean CPU class. | 03:17 |
| Crash2108 | MMS | 03:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | and speed of general stuff. | 03:17 |
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| cpscotti | I see.. | 03:17 |
| belsatsar | SpeedEvil: you only spent a few hours with n900? | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | compatibility - yes - it's got dbus and stuff and inmany ways isn't very 2000ish | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | belsatsar: using the keyboard, yes. | 03:18 |
| ali1234 | i was still using a computer from 2000 last year | 03:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | belsatsar: I tend to do my logged in-to-the n900 on a proper keyboard over wifi+ssh | 03:18 |
| cpscotti | anyway.. it really is like a dream for anyone that loves linux | 03:18 |
| javispedro | I was still using a computer from 1998 yesterday (and I plan to keep using it tomorrow) and its faster than the n900. | 03:18 |
| javispedro | s/computer/laptop | 03:18 |
| Crash2108 | What? | 03:19 |
| belsatsar | btw synergy is quite nice but there must be some way to activate X pointer on n900 | 03:19 |
| javispedro | though to be fair it has more RAM and doesn't do fancy graphics. | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I was comparing my _OLD_ laptop to the Ipad thing. | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | If I was buying new now - I'd buy on the features of the old laptop. | 03:19 |
| cehteh | belsatsar: x2x is nicer | 03:19 |
| ali1234 | the only thing 2000ish about the n900 is the awkward package management | 03:20 |
| belsatsar | wow i got a cursor in browser....automatically | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ~A4 footprint - 1.1Kg, 8h battery life, nice metal case, 100G storage. | 03:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | ali1234: It's there to make slackware users at home | 03:20 |
| ali1234 | it's like 10 years of apt development never happened | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Nice keyboard, trackpoint, ... | 03:20 |
| ali1234 | SpeedEvil: funny cos i was using slackware in 2000 :) | 03:20 |
| javispedro | ali1234: h-a-m is open source. | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ali1234: s/2000/2010/ | 03:21 |
| ali1234 | javispedro: do you think nokia would accept my patches? | 03:21 |
| javispedro | ali1234: yes. | 03:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | For some aspects. | 03:21 |
| javispedro | true | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd love to see a 'rate this app' - which went to the app-rating page for example | 03:22 |
| javispedro | if you make it a synaptic clone they're just going to forward them to /dev/null | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | In a moderately flexible way - and let the user send comments | 03:22 |
| javispedro | but anything else -- its been actually requested some times. | 03:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | I suspect that sort of feature might be doable. | 03:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | As in - might get in. | 03:23 |
| javispedro | That's what I think too. | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | But something that encourages dumb users to mess with stuff - wouldn't. | 03:23 |
| ali1234 | unfortunately the problems with package management mostly aren't down to HAM, they're mostly down to the nokia spec for packaging | 03:23 |
| javispedro | like? | 03:23 |
| ali1234 | like the way you have to set an explicit dependency to upgrade libraries | 03:24 |
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| javispedro | that's ham. | 03:24 |
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| ali1234 | or like the way they roll all updates up into a huge metapackage that surprisingly enough, ends up conflicting with the all the poitnless dependencies | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect all of these things have 'good reasons' that someone has decreed. | 03:24 |
| javispedro | like ubuntu does. | 03:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | And you've got to convince/kill that person first before it'll happen. | 03:24 |
| javispedro | ubuntu has the big, all-depending ubuntu-desktop package and I don't see anyone complaining about it. | 03:25 |
| javispedro | (though ubuntu-desktop is more like the -unlocked version) | 03:25 |
| ali1234 | javispedro: it doesn't depend on *specific* versions unless they really are necessary | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | belsatsar: on GPS games - openstreetmap.org - lots of gernams really enjoy this! | 03:26 |
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| ali1234 | also it is perfectly possible to remove ubuntu-desktop and still have a fully working system | 03:26 |
| javispedro | oh, I see that fremantle doesn't have the -unlocked version. | 03:26 |
| javispedro | ali1234: I removed the package the second day I got my N900 | 03:26 |
| ali1234 | so you removed the maemo5 package? | 03:26 |
| javispedro | pr-fremantle-blabla, yes. | 03:26 |
| ali1234 | and you still get updates? | 03:27 |
| javispedro | not through ham. | 03:27 |
| ali1234 | well then. | 03:27 |
| javispedro | well you didn't use ham to upgrade didn't you? you used apt-get too. | 03:27 |
| ali1234 | i tried and failed :) | 03:27 |
| javispedro | save for the pointless stupid idea where they have multiple repos per version. | 03:27 |
| javispedro | which makes the entire approach a bit longer than it should be. | 03:28 |
| ali1234 | had to reflash in the end, because it crashed half way through updating and then went into the endless reboot loop | 03:28 |
| javispedro | s/multiple repos per version/a repo per version | 03:28 |
| ali1234 | but anyway, if oyu remove the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, it wont affect the operation of the machine at all. you will still get all exactly the same upgrades in the same way | 03:28 |
| javispedro | not really. | 03:29 |
| ali1234 | yes, really | 03:29 |
| javispedro | you don't get any new packages, you can't upgrade from ubuntu 4 to ubuntu 5, etc. | 03:29 |
| ali1234 | this is not true at all | 03:29 |
| ali1234 | i have done it several time | 03:29 |
| ali1234 | you won't get totally new packages | 03:29 |
| ali1234 | but they don't add totally new packages after a release anyway | 03:29 |
| ali1234 | and upgrades still work fine | 03:30 |
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| javispedro | that contradicts official ubuntu docs | 03:30 |
| ali1234 | you *might* find the -desktop package has been reinstalled after you have upgraded | 03:30 |
| ali1234 | in one case i had a ubuntu turn into a xubuntu after upgrade :) | 03:30 |
| javispedro | so it tries to install during upgrade (which would bail out if you had been playing with package versions) | 03:31 |
| ali1234 | no, it wouldn't | 03:31 |
| ali1234 | because it removes incompatible packages during a distribution upgrade | 03:31 |
| ali1234 | so it wouldn't bomb out | 03:32 |
| javispedro | yes, what a nice idea. | 03:32 |
| javispedro | totally developer friendly. | 03:32 |
| javispedro | removing "unwanted" packages. | 03:32 |
| ali1234 | yes, actually it is | 03:32 |
| javispedro | ah well. | 03:32 |
| ali1234 | it is more friendly than refusing to upgrade because you are a developer | 03:32 |
| ali1234 | and then not telling you why | 03:32 |
| ali1234 | and just saying "you better format and reinstall" | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Does anyone recall whoever was thinking about preparing a package of gnu itils to replace busybox? | 03:33 |
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| ali1234 | and of course, it tells you what it is going to do *before* it does it | 03:33 |
| ali1234 | so it's not like you have to go ahead | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | utils | 03:33 |
| javispedro | well, that could probably be implemented in ham. | 03:33 |
| ali1234 | if you have compiled your own packages, you should recompile them against the new toolchain anyway | 03:33 |
| ali1234 | so in fact, removing them is totally the correct thing to do | 03:33 |
| javispedro | that actually sounds user-friendly, so is something that h-a-m could do. | 03:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I have a lockedup N900 here. Signal LED switches to charging on usb charger hookup, and back to normal lifelight on unplug. Screen black, unlock sliderswitch unresponsive. SSH over WLAN works, top shows a process [sgx_misr] eating 98% sys cpu | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | any suggestions how to further investigate? or how to recover other than reboot? | 03:36 |
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| ali1234 | on the flip side, ubuntu only makes you uninstall all your dev packages every 2 years, or every 5 years if you're on LTS | 03:36 |
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| * javispedro waits patiently for the "maemo changes gtk versions too frequently instead point" | 03:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody a clue at least what's sgx_misr? | 03:38 |
| ali1234 | isr is probably interrupt service routine. sgx is something to do with the graphics accelerator isn't it? | 03:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ouch. this would explain my black screen at least :-> | 03:39 |
| javispedro | it is the graphics accelerator | 03:39 |
| javispedro | s/is/_is_ | 03:39 |
| ali1234 | debugging interrupt problems is not fun | 03:40 |
| javispedro | ... specially on the PVR code which looks like a pidgin between win32 and linux | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, dmesg doesn't show anything fishy. Any ideas how to make a bugreport with helpful detail added out of this, before I reboot? | 03:41 |
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| javispedro | misr is a kernel workqueue | 03:42 |
| javispedro | if you could get where is it sleeping, that would hel | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yo, thus PPID 2 and the "[" | 03:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's not sleeping, it eats cpu to make a nice handwarmer out of N900 (which isn't that bad at temperature outside here ;-) | 03:43 |
| ali1234 | maybe something with /proc/sysreq (do we even have it?) | 03:43 |
| ali1234 | yes, we do | 03:44 |
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| ali1234 | dunno how you would capture the dump though, probably need a serial rig | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm console over WLAN won't probably work | 03:44 |
| ali1234 | i very much doubt it | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | syslog? | 03:45 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if kmsg size can be increased runtime | 03:45 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway syslog as a buzzword doesn't help me out right now | 03:46 |
| ali1234 | any ideas on how to reproduce? | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | var/log/ looks rather unpopulted | 03:47 |
| ali1234 | or just random? | 03:47 |
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| javispedro | try to be lucky, hit sysrq t, and see if kmsg buffer was big enough? :) | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | just random, though the WLAN had a connectivity glitch to internet same time | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: aaah I see. where's sysreq key on N900? | 03:48 |
| javispedro | "in" /proc/sysrq-something | 03:48 |
| ali1234 | echo t > /proc/sysrq-trigger | 03:48 |
| ali1234 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm may do this, no problem | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | there was a mtdlog or something oops logger IIRC | 03:49 |
| ali1234 | you can change the dmesg size too... | 03:49 |
| ali1234 | doesn;t seem to work unfortunately... 16kb limit | 03:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry another internet brownout | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-01-28 02:49:02] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-01-28 02:49:09] <DocScrutinizer> hmm may do this, no problem | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-01-28 02:49:47] <DocScrutinizer> so you think this will pan out? | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-01-28 02:51:25] <DocScrutinizer> well I thought about gdb or kill sigstop the runaway process... if you think sysreq is the way to go, I'll fire it now | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 04:00 |
| infobot | ~pong | 04:00 |
| ali1234 | perhaps | 04:00 |
| ali1234 | but you;ve only got 16kb of dmesg | 04:00 |
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| ali1234 | and lots of the sysreq commands will effectively crash the kernel of course so you wont see any output | 04:00 |
| ali1234 | doing a dump of the interrupt control registers would probably be useful | 04:02 |
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| ali1234 | if you can find the address | 04:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you can walk me thru that :-) | 04:03 |
| ali1234 | hmm.... first get the kernel source | 04:03 |
| ali1234 | grep it for sgx_misr | 04:03 |
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| ali1234 | find the tasklet, then find the interrupt it triggers on | 04:04 |
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| ali1234 | then look up the physical address of that #define | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yay | 04:04 |
| ali1234 | then read the TRM and find all the control registers associated with that interrupt | 04:04 |
| ali1234 | findally use /dev/mem to dump the values in all the related addresses you found | 04:05 |
| ali1234 | by the time you;ve done all that you'll probably have found the bug too | 04:05 |
| cpscotti | DocScrutinizer: something like two days ago my n900 was laggy as hell.. really unresponsive.. after some time I managed to run top and I saw exactly the same thing.. then I rebooted but "in the right way" bz the top menu was "working". | 04:05 |
| cpscotti | sgx_misr and all.. | 04:05 |
| cpscotti | after the reboot everything went back to normal | 04:05 |
| cpscotti | =/ | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably could do all this. ETA weekend :-P | 04:05 |
| cpscotti | no clue what it was.. also | 04:05 |
| cpscotti | (I know I'm not helping on actually getting the dump or solving the problem.. but I feel that sometimes it's good to tell people that they are not alone) | 04:05 |
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| ali1234 | maybe you coudl compare notes and figure out how to reproduce? that's the most important thing... | 04:06 |
| cpscotti | ali1234: LOL | 04:06 |
| cpscotti | ali1234: mine was totally on boot.. like.. first thing.. but if I encounter it again I'll look better.. | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<ali1234> findally use /dev/mem to dump ) I got 256M of ram and a 16G uSD... Start to wonder... | 04:07 |
| ali1234 | nah | 04:07 |
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| ali1234 | it isn't RAM, it's a memory mapped device | 04:07 |
| KamuiN900 | howdy doodie | 04:08 |
| ali1234 | not part of the 256mb ram | 04:08 |
| ali1234 | the address space is 32bit for 4GB | 04:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aaaargh | 04:08 |
| Arkenoi | http://newcreationperson.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/moses1.jpg Moses presents first iPad | 04:08 |
| ali1234 | however, all the interrupt regs will be in the same place (probably) | 04:08 |
| KamuiN900 | well what a joke | 04:08 |
| ali1234 | but you'll have to look in the TRM and/or source code to know where | 04:08 |
| pupnik | /usr/share/icons/default/cursors $ * -> transp hmmm | 04:09 |
| KamuiN900 | ipad would need to be 200 dollars cheaper in each itteration to be a cost effective purchase:) | 04:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'll forget about that then | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | just give sysreq a shot | 04:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or kill [sgx_misr] | 04:11 |
| ali1234 | this can only be caused by two things really... either there is a bug in the DSP code, which would be almost impossible for you to do anything about, or there a bug in the kernel not handling interrupts properly | 04:11 |
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| ali1234 | clearly some interrupt is firing out of control | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup - lol | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had no plans to fix it myself | 04:11 |
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| ali1234 | i mean, if it's a DSP problem, you can't even really dump anything useful | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just trying to gather helpful additional info | 04:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so nevermind | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill -9 | 04:12 |
| ali1234 | would be useful to know which interrupt it is | 04:12 |
| ali1234 | i doubt you'll be able to kill a kernel task like that :) | 04:12 |
| acidjazz | conversations needs mark as read functionality | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, I'm root ;-S | 04:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and still you're right | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 04:14 |
| ali1234 | it's not a normal process... it's part of the kernel | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yo, though PID 812 | 04:14 |
| pupnik | replacing transp with a different cursor doesn't work | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I'd guess I'd be able to kick it off the process table - but noooo | 04:15 |
| acidjazz | man we so need a php package for maemo since it supports gtk :) | 04:15 |
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| ali1234 | DocScrutinizer: it ain't gonna fix your video anyway | 04:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup, that's what I expected as well | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so for sysreq now | 04:17 |
| pupnik | props to the browser devs for enabling cursor somehow | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | which doesn't do anything either | 04:18 |
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| ali1234 | DocScrutinizer: look on dmesg | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | woooh | 04:18 |
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| cpscotti | suspense...? | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://pastebin.com/f5b291943 | 04:19 |
| ali1234 | yeah, unfortunately all the interesting stuff scrolled off the top... | 04:20 |
| ali1234 | maybe if you install syslog | 04:20 |
| ali1234 | hmm... | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, I see :-( | 04:21 |
| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Obra-etch.jpg | 04:22 |
| ali1234 | ah maybe this... | 04:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -s doesn't help | 04:23 |
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| ali1234 | there's a klogd package, just trying it | 04:28 |
| ali1234 | and now i have /var/log/syslog | 04:28 |
| ali1234 | bet that will grow | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install klogd ? | 04:32 |
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| ali1234 | yeah, but it doesn't seem to work | 04:35 |
| ali1234 | the kernel buffer just isn't big enough | 04:35 |
| ali1234 | also it looks like it will fill up / with useless logs | 04:35 |
| acidjazz | whats hte sql engine db called we use again | 04:35 |
| acidjazz | sqlite | 04:35 |
| acidjazz | for n900 | 04:35 |
| acidjazz | for like text messages and all that other stuff | 04:35 |
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| pupnik | hah wow, we have sqlite, mysql and postgres | 04:36 |
| acidjazz | mysql for the n900 really? | 04:36 |
| acidjazz | that cant be efficient on a phone | 04:37 |
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| pupnik | it's a CAMERA | 04:37 |
| acidjazz | sqlite comes on the phone though rite | 04:37 |
| acidjazz | i just broke hte app manager | 04:38 |
| ali1234 | ah dmesg -s doesn;t set the size, it just tells dmesg the size is not default | 04:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ali1234: line 187 ff - http://pastebin.com/f7f92f4d | 04:39 |
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| acidjazz | someone make a php package for maemo w/ sqlite and gtk suppor t:-D | 04:39 |
| acidjazz | support* :-D | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh sheesh missed your comment | 04:39 |
| ali1234 | yeah, that is still cut off | 04:39 |
| ali1234 | cos the sysreq overflows the ring buffer before syslog even gets to see it | 04:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer wishes he had installed the patched kernel with larger buffer | 04:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | grrr I'll simply boot it now | 04:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and mumble a few swearwords about kernel maintainers deciding to safe a few KB on such a elementary thing | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | save even | 04:42 |
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| ali1234 | yeah, cannot be changed at runtme | 04:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | done | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems even to thin for a ticket | 04:47 |
| Matthew- | Hey, anyone here? | 04:47 |
| Matthew- | Anyone can write GUI interface using visual basic to track IP addressess ? | 04:47 |
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| Matthew- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU&feature=related | 04:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: because saving 16K on kernelbugger is of course lots easier than saving 16K on 'worldclock' | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhahahaha | 04:53 |
| adalal | i got an write error, for a repository... Write Error - write (28 No space left on device) | 04:53 |
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| adalal | any help? | 04:54 |
| pupnik | adalal: open terminal, type 'du' | 04:54 |
| pupnik | er "df" | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | err df -h | 04:55 |
| pupnik | yeah for people who can't read numbers | 04:55 |
| adalal | lol | 04:55 |
| adalal | i typed in df | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | or don't know offhand what's the meaning (k, blocks, bytes?) | 04:56 |
| pupnik | what does 'rootfs' show | 04:56 |
| adalal | use% = 85% | 04:56 |
| pupnik | hmm! | 04:56 |
| adalal | how would i clear that :S? | 04:56 |
| pupnik | that doesn't look full. did you just add -devel repository? | 04:56 |
| adalal | i added it ages ago | 04:56 |
| pupnik | kB DocScrutinizer | 04:57 |
| adalal | the devel repository reports taht error | 04:57 |
| pupnik | devel repo is quite large | 04:57 |
| adalal | yeah, but it's only a list isn't it? on the device | 04:57 |
| pupnik | see if your /var/cache/apt/archives is full of debs. you can clear or move those | 04:58 |
| jebba | bigger repo coming up ;) | 04:59 |
| adalal | bigger repo? | 04:59 |
| jebba | test repo | 04:59 |
| pupnik | jebba: any idea how to display cursor on n900? | 04:59 |
| jebba | http://obra.freemoe.org/freemoe-etch/ | 05:00 |
| adalal | pupnik: that folder only has lock and partial/ | 05:00 |
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| jebba | i see my cursor | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe you "optified" /var/log/apt recently | 05:00 |
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| jebba | gconftool-2 -R / |grep cursor | 05:00 |
| pupnik | https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and now incidentally the symlink got stale | 05:00 |
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| pupnik | zarro results here jebba | 05:01 |
| jebba | not sure about that. There is/was a blink_cursor entry in gnome-terminal | 05:02 |
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| adalal | right.. i tried apt-get clean before, didn't help, and i just did apt-get autoremove, and it works fine now i suppose | 05:05 |
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| pupnik | nice adalal ++ | 05:08 |
| adalal | pupnik: my rootfs is 92% full all ofa sudden :S | 05:08 |
| adalal | im not an expert, but something seems wrong :S | 05:08 |
| pupnik | mine is 92% also | 05:09 |
| adalal | oh :S... ok | 05:09 |
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| _andy | my N900 has more running processes than my gentoo desktop. | 05:27 |
| _andy | lol | 05:27 |
| pronto | nice lol | 05:28 |
| pronto | now many on earch? | 05:28 |
| _andy | 151 on desktop, 168 on N900 | 05:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tsss, 230 here, on laptop | 05:29 |
| uhsf | i have troll on archlinux channel who is convinced he can do more with android than with maemo | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | same here | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | he can. | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | In some aspects. | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | where??? o.O no troll around except me :-P | 05:31 |
| _andy | oh DocScrutinizer ! i fixed my mail problems.. | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | You can install a hell of a lot more apps ruignt now wiht no work | 05:31 |
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| _andy | all I had to do was patch and recompile libtinymail-camel to make it use an SSLv3 handshake instead of an SSLv2 compatable handshake... | 05:31 |
| _andy | <3 open source phone. | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 05:32 |
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| _andy | * kimitake is now known as kimitake_idle | 05:33 |
| _andy | sry | 05:33 |
| _andy | mispaste. | 05:33 |
| _andy | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8386 | 05:33 |
| povbot | Bug 8386: SSLv2 compatible handshake with IMAP4S and SPOP | 05:33 |
| _andy | :D i still can't get imap over pops to work tho | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange - should work ;-P | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm N900 is cooled down to normal - maybe I should write a handwarmer app ;-P | 05:37 |
| pronto | woah, many errors on maemo.org O_O | 05:38 |
| pronto | http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/office/ scroll down a bit to see the arrays failing to flip :D | 05:39 |
| _andy | hmm.. only happens when I'm logged in. | 05:40 |
| pronto | really?, i'm not logged in ant it happens | 05:40 |
| _andy | browser? | 05:40 |
| pronto | firefox | 05:40 |
| _andy | hmm. im on chrome | 05:40 |
| pronto | a php error isnt going to change on browser O_o | 05:40 |
| _andy | maybe.. looks caching related. | 05:41 |
| pronto | heh its gone now | 05:41 |
| _andy | what would be a good resolution to convert videos to for the n900? | 05:42 |
| pronto | the handbrake preset for iphone works | 05:43 |
| _andy | wassat? | 05:43 |
| pronto | http://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/BuiltInPresets#iphone | 05:43 |
| pronto | i've donw that with a few movies, worked great | 05:43 |
| _andy | thank you sir. | 05:43 |
| pronto | i'm sure if you wanted to you could tweak it more for the n900, but that preset worked great | 05:44 |
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| Loopliii | hi is anyone know how to nlock password locked 770? | 05:48 |
| Loopliii | my little bro play with it and left it locked :( | 05:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I think if you kill the person that locked it, it unlocks. | 05:52 |
| Loopliii | :) it is my little bro .... | 05:53 |
| SpeedEvil | flashing? | 05:53 |
| Loopliii | it wont do sir | 05:54 |
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| KamuiN900 | lol | 05:55 |
| KamuiN900 | he took it seriously | 05:55 |
| KamuiN900 | nice | 05:55 |
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| Loopliii | anyone have shrp netwalk... | 05:57 |
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| KamuiN900 | testing. | 06:04 |
| Xisdibik | success? | 06:06 |
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| pronto | so i'm trying to find something that'll sync notes with my home server and n900 | 06:10 |
| Loopliii | is n900 worth to buy compared to iph... or androids? | 06:12 |
| _andy | are you looking for bias advice? | 06:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | Loopliii: Personally - absolutely. However - much more so if you value having what is essentially a linux desktop class system in your pocket. | 06:12 |
| Loopliii | maturity of app... and os stability | 06:12 |
| pronto | i put it this way, if you're linux geek and like messing with things get n900, if you just want something that works but dont like apples lock down get andriod, if you like being rammed in the butt 24/7 get iphone | 06:12 |
| SpeedEvil | (admittedly slower than most desktops) | 06:12 |
| pronto | but thats just what i think | 06:13 |
| Klowner | anyone have any of those lil' charger backup battery thingers? ie. a rechargeable battery to recharge your.. battery? | 06:15 |
| Loopliii | i like n800 but not 770 as it very not mature developed | 06:15 |
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| shamus | the n800 is nice | 06:22 |
| shamus | fiy the defult pin is 12345 | 06:23 |
| shamus | unless you changed it | 06:23 |
| shamus | then you kill the persion that changed it | 06:23 |
| shamus | lol | 06:23 |
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| tank-man | Interesting product (MID) $229CND BenQ S6 4.8IN WVGA Touch Screen Mid Tablet PC Intel Atom 8GB SSD XP WLAN Bluetooth W/ MicroSD Slot http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=49457&vpn=S6&manufacture=BenQ&promoid=1210 | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: Maemo is far from desktop-class, unfortunately. | 06:53 |
| tank-man | 4.8? WVGA 800 x 480 TFT touch panel | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | tank-man: x86 ftl | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | tank-man: look up LG Apollo :) | 06:54 |
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| tank-man | win mo ftl ? :) | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | tank-man: Qualcomm also has a sweet new SoC | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | tank-man: who cares what it's shipped with? :) | 06:55 |
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| pupnik | as of now, we can't really use n900 for presentations with synergy or bluetooth mouse | 07:09 |
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| pupnik | i like pronto's summary | 07:10 |
| pronto | :D | 07:10 |
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| pupnik | we should really find some way to enable cursor display on n900 | 07:12 |
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| pupnik | X pointer rather | 07:12 |
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| tank-man | isnt there? thought I saw that feature in a video | 07:13 |
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| pronto | for the web browser there is | 07:13 |
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| pronto | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/seqretary/ anyone get this to install? | 07:17 |
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| pronto | when i try to install it, it says i dont have: libalarm, libhildondesktop, libhildonwm | 07:18 |
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| pupnik | nice try | 07:26 |
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| crashanddie | yo pbds! | 07:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I love it when bloggers come back with rebuttals that are STILL WRONG. | 07:33 |
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| pronto | a | 07:35 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: example? | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mobile.venturebeat.com/2010/01/26/flash-iphone-skyfire/ | 07:37 |
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| pupnik | dude, i just got X pointer after running a flash page | 07:41 |
| * pupnik falls over laffing | 07:41 | |
| pronto | yeah theres a pointer for the webbrowser, you didnt know that? | 07:41 |
| pupnik | no the pointer is now persistent, and it's the one i copied over the transp pointer | 07:41 |
| pupnik | ^_^ | 07:42 |
| pronto | O_o | 07:42 |
| pupnik | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/27887 it appears after running this page (windows 98 emulator) | 07:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 07:42 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Too many people insist on stating their opinions as hard facts. | 07:43 |
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| pupnik | weird things happen man. | 07:44 |
| Loopliii | anyone know how to unlock pasword locked 770? maybe GeneralAntiles | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | And Mr. Sarcastic Conspiracy Man geneven strikes again. | 07:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, idiots on Talk. | 07:48 |
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| pupnik | lovin synergy | 07:49 |
| `0660 | ga, i think that guy gets paid to not get it right :) | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | `0660, yeah, he's a blogger. Don't be redundant. :P | 07:50 |
| `0660 | :) | 07:50 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: oy, I'm a blogger you puss | 07:54 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: exactly his point? :) | 07:55 |
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| luke-jr | <.< | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn straight. | 07:55 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: other than trolling, I haven't seen a lot of positive contributions coming from you ;) | 07:55 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: don't be a devil, sweety | 07:56 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: you don't read code much? :P | 07:56 |
| crashanddie | I said "positive" contributions | 07:56 |
| crashanddie | :D | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It got cold here again at some point. | 07:56 |
| * luke-jr peers at GeneralAntilles's link | 07:56 | |
| luke-jr | iPhone doesn't support Flash? really? | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | iPad neither | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nor does the fraeking iPad | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | interesting | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | surprised they sell | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | they've got an app for youtube | 07:57 |
| pupnik | i am torn... wanting to praise... | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | which is 40% of all flash on the internet | 07:57 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: that's the right way to do it! | 07:57 |
| pupnik | sbemail! | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | :D | 07:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, the motiviations aren't good. ;) | 07:58 |
| Proteous | hrm | 07:58 |
| pupnik | btw mytube works nicely on desktop PC without flash | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | would be sweet if Konq integrated mplayer for YouTube and such | 07:58 |
| pupnik | just grab the maemo .deb and extract on pc, and install some deps. voila | 07:58 |
| Proteous | plea to freenode: stop disconnecting me and making me rejoin with a different nick then not letting me change my nick because I am in a channel that is +R so that I have to leave the channel, change my nick, reregister then rejoin plz kthnxsbye | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: uh, no? | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: unless you mean an ARM desktop? | 07:59 |
| RST38h | moo all | 07:59 |
| pupnik | it's python | 07:59 |
| Proteous | quack RST38h | 07:59 |
| pupnik | braap | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: ah | 07:59 |
| pupnik | and the neato part is it works with regular pygtk and not just hildon | 08:00 |
| pupnik | first tiem i ran a maemo app on pee cee :) | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | Proteous: you don't *have* to reconnect on netsplit | 08:00 |
| Proteous | I don't think it's a netsplit that does it | 08:01 |
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| luke-jr | Proteous: that's the only quits I've seen from you recently | 08:01 |
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| Proteous | wonder if there is an irssi setting I can change to fix the behavior | 08:01 |
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| Proteous | from my logs it looks like I am getting disconnected from the server | 08:02 |
| Proteous | when I reconnect my old nick is still in use by my zombie | 08:03 |
| Proteous | hmm, or maybe not | 08:05 |
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| Proteous | anyway, complaining about something gives me the energy and stamina to try to fix it | 08:09 |
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| Proteous | longest wootoff ever | 08:10 |
| pupnik | Proteous: autojoin some other unlocked channel, then /msg nickserv ghost $password | 08:11 |
| pupnik | if you're in #maemo, you'll not be able to change | 08:11 |
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| Proteous | easy solution found, register the other nick with nickserv too | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Proteous, did you group them? | 08:15 |
| Proteous | yeah | 08:15 |
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| pupnik | ok to get persistent cursor, i need to browse to a flash page :D | 08:18 |
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| pupnik | sbemail is still going! | 08:26 |
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| pupnik | the definitive flash test | 08:27 |
| red | Proteous: easier solution, /nick and /msg identify blabla before joins in autoperform :) | 08:28 |
| red | atleast in irssi you can set a delay for operations | 08:29 |
| pupnik | ty red - right on | 08:30 |
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| Proteous | red, that works as long as your nick isn't still being used by your own zombie | 08:36 |
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| Proteous | you can register with nickserv regardless of nick if you put :nick password into the server connection string though | 08:37 |
| Proteous | not sure if you can kick your own registered zombie off of your own nick though | 08:37 |
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| red | well if you really want to have a backup for being on wrong nick on a reg channel | 08:39 |
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| red | you can always group more nicks to your account | 08:39 |
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| red | /msg nickserv help is a useful command :P | 08:40 |
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| pronto | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/download.html nice this works in virutalbox :D | 08:42 |
| Proteous | red, I just did that a short while ago | 08:43 |
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| Proteous | red, that was my "solution" to the problem | 08:43 |
| red | :) | 08:43 |
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| slonopotamus | is it only me or gmail in fremantle microb doesn't properly work? | 08:52 |
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| RST38h | Seems to work here | 08:54 |
| RST38h | You may be having some problems with MicroB portrait mode, it sometimes behaves | 08:55 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, open mail, archive it, close browser. you'll get 'request is being processed msg' | 08:56 |
| slonopotamus | and actually it never finishes | 08:56 |
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| slonopotamus | and mail never gets archived | 08:56 |
| slonopotamus | possibly need to open/archive several emails | 08:57 |
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| slonopotamus | RST38h, just reproduced it with only one email. | 08:58 |
| RST38h | ah | 08:58 |
| slonopotamus | yep | 08:59 |
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| RST38h | Some javascript does not get to run... | 08:59 |
| Xisdibik | how successful have people been with scim vs mscim etc | 08:59 |
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| pupnik | tablets make great little side-monitors with synergy :) | 09:00 |
| pupnik | put irssi in fullscreen xterm on 770 for e.g. | 09:00 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, so, you confirm? | 09:01 |
| RST38h | testing. | 09:01 |
| RST38h | slono: Desktop GMail version? | 09:02 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, yep. latest one, with colored labels. | 09:03 |
| RST38h | am I supposed to archive a message and close MicroB? | 09:03 |
| slonopotamus | open message, archive it (you'll be returned to list), wait as long as you want, try closing microb. | 09:04 |
| RST38h | done | 09:05 |
| slonopotamus | aand? no 'request is being processed' alert? | 09:05 |
| RST38h | nope | 09:05 |
| slonopotamus | :( | 09:05 |
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| RST38h | you probably just have to wait | 09:06 |
| RST38h | using GPRS? | 09:06 |
| Milo- | navit is useless | 09:06 |
| Milo- | crash crash crash crash | 09:06 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, using anything. | 09:06 |
| RST38h | tell us something new, will you? | 09:06 |
| Milo- | and it won't even show me the map | 09:06 |
| Milo- | good for watching your speed, though | 09:06 |
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| crashanddie | wow, ps3 cracked apparently | 09:32 |
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| iPeter- | Hi. How does amsn work on N900 | 10:00 |
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| iPeter- | is there any msn program/plugin what can keep live msn on too - many users logged in same aaccount | 10:02 |
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| TriztN900 | don't msn just allow one user at the time? | 10:02 |
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| pupnik | i remember NetBEUI | 10:18 |
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| Proteous | I remember IPX | 10:18 |
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| pupnik | that was actually somewhat functional | 10:21 |
| Proteous | heh | 10:21 |
| Proteous | I remember blindly fumbling around with it to get doom networking working so I could play with my brother | 10:21 |
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| tybollt | I remember bnc 10bnase2 networks :) | 10:24 |
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| pupnik | appletalk. ipx/spc netbiod/netbeui | 10:25 |
| Proteous | tolken ring FTW | 10:25 |
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| Proteous | token | 10:25 |
| Proteous | lol | 10:25 |
| Proteous | hobbits on the brain | 10:25 |
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| jaska | sauron wants to steal the master token back | 10:26 |
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| Proteous | heh | 10:26 |
| Proteous | he can'ts have it, it's my precious | 10:26 |
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| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: have you read this: http://lwn.net/Articles/369880/ -- it's about business and open source communities relationship. | 10:33 |
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| thresh | ohai | 10:51 |
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| thresh | how do i tell n900 to automagically launch some script on choosing "PC Suite Mode" when connection to computer? It would be smth like ifup usb0 && echo "nameserver foo" >> /var/run/resolv.conf.bar && killall -HUP dnsmasq && route add | 10:52 |
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| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: you have no idea how much stirr that article caused on maemo-developers.. | 10:57 |
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| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: the mailing list? i'd appreciate if you tell the subject so i can find it in the archives. | 11:02 |
| jophish | Howdy all. | 11:02 |
| cpscotti | jophish: Howdy! | 11:03 |
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| cpscotti | Hey.. anyone knows if there is a way to control the position of the service icons (X for close and the little tool for settings) for desktop widgets? | 11:04 |
| jophish | It's my understanding that on the n900, the small internal flash is much faster than the 32gb internal card. However it is a compressed filesystem. How much difference would it make to mount / on the 32gb internal card. And leave the internal flash for something like Mer or another OS? | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-January/023786.html | 11:04 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 11:05 |
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| crashanddie | so what's people's opinion about the ipad? | 11:06 |
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| Corsac | crashanddie: none | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | crashanddie: unimpressed | 11:08 |
| jophish | crashanddie, Personally, I can't see a use for it, seems very flawed, however Apple has proved me wrong on almost every other product I have decided was poor. | 11:08 |
| jophish | I think that it's unlikely to appeal to anyone in here. | 11:09 |
| Proteous | heh | 11:09 |
| crashanddie | to everyone who thinks the name is dubious: http://tv.gawker.com/5458345/madtv-predicted-the-ipad-back-in-2006 | 11:09 |
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| cpscotti | crashanddie: HAHA lol! | 11:15 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:27 |
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| jophish | goodmorning hrw | 11:32 |
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| RST38h | http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/1/27/apple-a4-soc-unveiled---its-an-arm-cpu-and-the-gpu!.aspx | 11:32 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, basically an ARM SOC. | 11:36 |
| RST38h | Yes but notice CortexA9 rather than A8 | 11:36 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Woudn't mind a Coretex-A9 though. | 11:36 |
| X-Fade | hehe, yeah | 11:36 |
| RST38h | Is the rumored Maemo6 device still using OMAP3 with A8 inside? | 11:36 |
| RST38h | Another hehe: A Chinese Ministry of Industry and Information Technology spokesperson has today delivered a statement affirming China's willingness to allow Android devices to operate within the country without restriction so long as they adhere to the nation's laws. | 11:37 |
| X-Fade | Summit said omap3. | 11:37 |
| RST38h | mooo wazd | 11:37 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: The most interesting consequence of the iPad is that every Chinese company-in-a-shed is gonna release a ripoff of iPad in 6 months | 11:37 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Off-the-shelf components. | 11:38 |
| alterego | The A9's are awesome, I've heard a lot about them, they've had multi-core designs and all sorts going on at arm with that chip. | 11:38 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: And somebody at Maemo Devices will be seriously reconsidering bigger form factor in the next month or so ;)) | 11:38 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: For me this thing is too big. And way to low res. | 11:39 |
| RST38h | alterego: Well, AFAIK they are a refinement of A8. A8 was the first step in uncharted territory for arm | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Rather use a netbook if I am to carry this large thing around. | 11:39 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Nah, I would not use the iPad myself | 11:39 |
| jophish | I hear that they cost an ARM (and a leg) | 11:39 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: But I *would* use something in HD2 form factor. 4.3" screen, still pocketable | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | Arm netbooks seem to be coming in numbers this year. | 11:39 |
| hrw | the bad side of omap3 is 256MB ram chip. but 512MB samples exists | 11:40 |
| RST38h | jophish: depends on what you compare them with | 11:40 |
| RST38h | hrw: it is external though | 11:40 |
| Corsac | yeah, new touchbook motherboards have 512M ram | 11:40 |
| hrw | Corsac: nice | 11:40 |
| RST38h | The reason why ARM-based netbooks are coming is exactly that - Tegra, Snapdragon etc are all based on A9 now, and A9 specs seem to be enough for a netbook | 11:41 |
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| hrw | but let they release 10-12" ones... | 11:41 |
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| hrw | hi florian | 11:43 |
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| crashanddie | warning everyone: do *not* breathe through your nose when eating wasabi coated peas | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Marcell thinks that switching to update2 should be safe. | 11:45 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: it's interesting how easily the maemo community gets pissed about criticism. Unhealthy i'd say. | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: So I'll probably check that out this evening. | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: fantastic | 11:46 |
| PaulFertser | BTW, it's the same Igor Stoppa who ignored my usb host info request is talking about nokia not being silent :| | 11:46 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 11:47 |
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| X-Fade | PaulFertser: Just send him an email? | 11:47 |
| PaulFertser | X-Fade: that's exactly what i did, CCing maemo-devel | 11:47 |
| PaulFertser | X-Fade: a big e-mail with tons of technical details and precise questions. | 11:48 |
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| crashanddie | PaulFer``: any community is like that really | 11:49 |
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| X-Fade | PaulFertser: Hmm I don't know then. He's usually willing to talk about everything. | 11:49 |
| PaulFertser | crashanddie: well, my experience is different. A healthy community can't be irritated _that_ easily, especially when the criticism is valid. | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: i think the talk.maemo.org reached the conclusion that reversing is very bloody difficult | 11:49 |
| X-Fade | PaulFertser: He discussed bad design etc at the summit too ;) | 11:49 |
| X-Fade | *hardware design. | 11:49 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: nope, i follow the thread. | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: even on the physical level? | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | PaulFer``: and just to help you prove your point, considering you're trolling so obviously: OMFG !!!11eleven how cn u even compare maemo wif iphone???? | 11:50 |
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| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: the physical level is most probably ok, though i lack datasheet to tell for sure. Similar devices have no requirement whatsoever to have | 11:50 |
| PaulFertser | id routed to get hostmode. | 11:50 |
| PaulFertser | crashanddie: hm, you seem to have already forgotten me. _I_ would never say iphone is of any good. | 11:51 |
| crashanddie | i was supposed to remember you? | 11:51 |
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| PaulFertser | crashanddie: nope | 11:52 |
| PaulFertser | crashanddie: but you say about me trolling | 11:52 |
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| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: it'd be nice if you finally asked the relevant guys... I lack the datasheets. And it seems nokia kernel dev didn't answer about that "test" register that allows to switch musb to hostmode. | 11:55 |
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| mece | The horror, the horror! I'm forced to manually enter a timetable into a database from paper! | 11:57 |
| mece | and I know what you're thinking; Well, could they not train a tall chimpanzee to do that? Or, a small chimpanzee with a bigger gizmo? | 11:57 |
| mece | and you'd be right, but they haven't. :/ | 11:57 |
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| Corsac | just code an ocr to do that | 11:58 |
| Caesium | mece: perhaps you are the chimpanzee? ;) | 11:59 |
| RST38h | mece: why not keep it on paper then? | 11:59 |
| mece | Caesium, yep. That's why they haven't trained another one :/ | 12:00 |
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| mece | RST38h, dunno. I think it's all some scheme to make me want to quit or something. | 12:00 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Just think of it: you tell PaulFertser about that register, he fries his N900 next time he tries charging it, we finally stop having to listen to his complaints about the lack of host usb mode =) | 12:01 |
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| RST38h | mece: Next stop: RESTROOMS! =) | 12:01 |
| alterego | I think there's no video call support yet because the H264 encoder is a bit shitty. | 12:01 |
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| RST38h | alterego: Haven't people reported using video calls over google chat? | 12:01 |
| alterego | I can't even get the OMAX decoder to work :( | 12:01 |
| zaheerm | yah gst-dsp is not being used for h264 encode, still openmax which adds a performance penalty | 12:02 |
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| PaulFertser | RST38h: i do not have n900, it's unreasonably expensive here and not open enough (probably yet) to my liking anyway. | 12:02 |
| alterego | I've been using the dsph264enc and it works, it's just stuttery most of the time. | 12:02 |
| alterego | Massive delay too. | 12:02 |
| RST38h | PaulFertser: then why insist on getting the docs? | 12:02 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: also charging and usb host mode are not mutually exclusive, there's low possibility one can fry anything that way. | 12:02 |
| alterego | But it works, and ~I was quite happy with the quality. | 12:02 |
| RST38h | PaulFertser: Well, there was explicit comment from some Nokian about the two being electrically incompatible in the N900 design | 12:03 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: n900 is still one of the most attractive devices with chances to be opened enough to become usable. | 12:03 |
| alterego | The poor output of the front-facing camera doesn't seem so bad when it's encoded and streamed over RTP to my laptop ^.^ | 12:03 |
| alterego | It's really dark though. | 12:03 |
| RST38h | Feels usable to me as it is :) | 12:03 |
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| PaulFertser | RST38h: there was no decent comment from any Nokian about that whatsoever. Ask Stskeeps if unsure. | 12:04 |
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| hrw | nokia... please learn how to write win32 apps | 12:04 |
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| philn | hi | 12:05 |
| alterego | Yeah, the N900 as it is to me, right now is pretty damn good. Just need a few performance tweaks for media processing and I'll be well happy. | 12:05 |
| alterego | Well, I'm already well happy. | 12:05 |
| alterego | It's just be a lot cooler if it could do the video/audio stuff without skipping or stuttering every now-and-again. | 12:05 |
| philn | in the SDK is it normal i only see the clock menu in the home screen? i would like the "availability" button too | 12:06 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: hm, why? | 12:06 |
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| alterego | I'm porting a proprietary codec to linux, and, gstreamer. I want to use it on the N900. Hopefully it'll work fine without a dsp, but I'm thinking about porting it to run on the DSP. | 12:06 |
| RST38h | hrw: Aren't they writing those in Java instead? | 12:06 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: each time when I look at nokia pc sutei or nokia ovi suite or other nokia app I want to vomit at its UI | 12:06 |
| * RST38h seems to remember the last PCSuite being written in Java and sucking royally | 12:07 | |
| alterego | What's wrong with their Qt based windows apps? :P | 12:07 |
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| RST38h | Well, their puny attempts at "original" UI design are a whole different subject... | 12:07 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: windowgadgets in vista style on XP classic desktop, no minimalize on many windows, extra cpu use just to catch mouse events in case user wants to move window | 12:07 |
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| PaulFertser | hrw: to me it seems like a non-issue, useless apps for useless OS, who cares... | 12:07 |
| felipec | X-Fade: I solved my problem with the 1.1 SDK by removing ${shlibs:Depends} and manually setting the dependencies | 12:08 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: I used pc suite to migrate sms messages from e66 -> n900 | 12:08 |
| X-Fade | felipec: Yes, we're working on fixes like that too. | 12:08 |
| felipec | X-Fade: but did you read my comment about your proposed solution? | 12:09 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:09 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: aren't they accessible over AT commands? | 12:09 |
| X-Fade | felipec: http://maemo.gitorious.org/~mvo/fremantle-hildon-desktop/mvos-libosso/commit/7922fd09390fa5e9ae96c94305c2362e77aa0df7 | 12:09 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: ping | 12:09 |
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| X-Fade | felipec: Basically some packages need to properly specify it. | 12:09 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: do I look like someone who has a time for it? | 12:09 |
| X-Fade | felipec: updating devkit is a bit of a pain it seems. | 12:10 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: and AT commands are good only to get sms from sim card not from phone memory | 12:10 |
| hrw | X-Fade: updating devkit? from etch to etch? | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | hrw: no, newer apt libs inside the devkit. | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: having actually fried an openmoko device while using it for usb charging.... | 12:11 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: hm, i thought some phones support getting messages/contacts from the main memory with at commands as well. At least some old motorola did. I've no idea about your time, probably you have convenient access to some windows box... | 12:11 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: do you mean you used a freerunner to charge N900 and fried the freerunner? | 12:12 |
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| hrw | PaulFertser: I have 3 windows licenses at home | 12:12 |
| PaulFertser | poor fella | 12:12 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: you too. | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: for the record, nokia can't write decent windows apps <period> | 12:12 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: next time do not judge so fast | 12:13 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: i do not argue that one | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: there's a public bug recording the event | 12:13 |
| felipec | X-Fade: specify the maemo5 version? why? wouldn't it be better to specify the actual package they require? | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | if you can't find it, you shouldn't bother us | 12:13 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: the freerunner in question wasn't fried, just heated up. | 12:13 |
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| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: if you talking about the other event please provide more details. | 12:13 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa, kinda busy right now, is it urgent? | 12:13 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: also it has no relation whatsoever to the question of N900 support for usb host. | 12:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: it started to smoke | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | felipec: if the sdk package specifies this, you don't have to do anything. | 12:14 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: so basically idea is: connect usb cable hardcoded to be ID=host to n900, switch n900 musb to host from client? | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | ok so maybe no permanent damage | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | but still | 12:15 |
| dpro | hi | 12:15 |
| felipec | X-Fade: sorry, what do you mean by sdk package? | 12:15 |
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| X-Fade | felipec: If gstreamer of libosso specifies this correcly, your package will get the correct depends. | 12:16 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: the idea is to switch n900 musb to host using some UI but there's no enough details available how to do that, also probably external power should be provided for the bus. | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | felipec: So you don't have to hack out shlibs. | 12:16 |
| felipec | X-Fade: specifies what? you know which version of gstreamer is in PR 1.0, and which one is in PR 1.1 | 12:16 |
| xt | can anyone confirm that currently N900 can't do USB networking with windows ? | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | felipec: Yes, but you should not have to worry about that. | 12:16 |
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| hrw | PaulFertser: I need time to solder such cable | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | felipec: SDK should handle these kind of things, if there are no big api/abi breaks. | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | xt: so | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | windows doesn't ship w/ a usb networking driver | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | if you add one, it could work | 12:17 |
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| dpro | has anyone built a PAM package for the n900 ? | 12:17 |
| felipec | X-Fade: yeah, that's my point... but I don't think you need to change the SDK either | 12:17 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: sure. The problem is that folks do not know how to switch musb to host mode (there's info in OMAP DS but it's probably incomplete and musb DS is not available) and also PHY-level IC has no datasheet. | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | felipec: SDK should just provide proper packages ;) | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | felipec: And prevent breakage when it is not absolutely needed. | 12:18 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: the trick is soldering ID pin properly in cable | 12:18 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: I did that with beagleboard | 12:18 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: the id pin is NC in n900 they say | 12:19 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: so it doesn't matter | 12:19 |
| dpro | oh and would any of you know what settings for CONFIG_HZ are valid on arm ? | 12:19 |
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| hrw | PaulFertser: thx for info | 12:20 |
| vldcnst | Does anyone know what GSP chip n900 has? | 12:20 |
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| felipec | vldcnst: search for OMAP3430 | 12:21 |
| dpro | vldcnst: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS | 12:22 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: this thread is where the guys got so far. But lack of input from Nokia really makes it unfun: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31921&page=56 | 12:22 |
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| hrw | PaulFertser: thx again | 12:23 |
| vldcnst | dpro: thanks | 12:23 |
| felipec | anyone willing to try telepathy-msn-pecan and vote to graduate it? | 12:24 |
| zaheerm | felipec, did you put a new package of it in? | 12:25 |
| felipec | zaheerm: yes | 12:25 |
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| MohammadAG | felipec, does it support usernames instead of emails as the usernames? | 12:26 |
| zaheerm | felipec, 0.1.0~rc2-0maemo6 kept on connecting to msn and disconnecting in a loop, but version before was fine | 12:26 |
| felipec | MohammadAG: you mean nicknames for your contact list? | 12:27 |
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| MohammadAG | felipec, nicknames for myself | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Not urgent | 12:27 |
| frals | any msn plugin support mpop yet? | 12:28 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa, you've piqued my curiosity now. What is it? | 12:28 |
| MohammadAG | it always uses *@live/hotmail.com | 12:28 |
| felipec | zaheerm: I don't recall any change that might have triggered that =/ | 12:28 |
| zaheerm | felipec, you want some debug output? | 12:29 |
| felipec | MohammadAG: yeah, it supports that | 12:29 |
| felipec | zaheerm: yeah, you know how to get it? | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | felipec, will try it in a bit | 12:29 |
| zaheerm | felipec, no clue :) | 12:29 |
| felipec | zaheerm: disable the account(s), run on the console HAZE_PERSIST=1 HAZE_DEBUG=all /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-pecan, enable the account | 12:31 |
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| ifreq | felipec: :) | 12:31 |
| red | felipec: are you abandonin the integrated version of pecan and going with a app version instead? | 12:32 |
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| * w00t waves | 12:33 | |
| zaheerm | felipec, it ends with a segfault! | 12:33 |
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| red | zaheerm: as a user? | 12:33 |
| felipec | red: sorry? the integrated version is just updated | 12:33 |
| zaheerm | yes as user | 12:34 |
| red | felipec: I was just wondering why telepathy :) | 12:34 |
| acidjazz | Download Dir: 2.62 GB - Complete Dir: 2.62 GB - Download speed: 9089.38 KB/s - Queued: 910.69/1384.86 MB | 12:34 |
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| felipec | red: because it rocks :) and it's the one needed if you want the stuff to be integrated into the system's conversation stuff | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG | felipec, erm nope, it uses my email as the screen name | 12:36 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: nntp? | 12:36 |
| felipec | red: but you mean you want Pidgin's support on the N900 too? | 12:36 |
| red | oh, I thought it was for some application that uses msn too. So I need to uninstall the msn-pecan and install telepathy-msn-pecan? | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG | felipec, even if i change it, it goes back to normal | 12:36 |
| acidjazz | ifreq: webpass internet in san francisco for $35/mo | 12:36 |
| acidjazz | ifreq: www.notchill.com/st.jpg | 12:36 |
| acidjazz | fear _that_ | 12:36 |
| red | for the update | 12:36 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: i wasnt interested bout the speed.. asked what you download.. was it via nntp | 12:37 |
| acidjazz | sabnzbd | 12:37 |
| acidjazz | newsgroups | 12:37 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: ive got 110/5 cheap @home eurodocsis :P | 12:37 |
| acidjazz | yes | 12:37 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: yes.. i use the same.. thats why i asked | 12:37 |
| ifreq | seemd so familiar | 12:37 |
| ifreq | :) | 12:37 |
| acidjazz | the best right? :) | 12:37 |
| felipec | MohammadAG: right... I wonder why it's reset... I thought mission-control was supposed to keep it | 12:37 |
| acidjazz | i use giganews | 12:37 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: yeah same ;P | 12:37 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: what for searcheng? | 12:38 |
| ifreq | newzbin here.. | 12:38 |
| acidjazz | whats ur dl service | 12:39 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: It was about me trying to create a bookmarklet or something which'd take you to "about 5 seconds ago" on the #maemo IRC log | 12:39 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: its nice to bookmark shit @ work and shit gets dl @ home | 12:39 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: search eng/dl is newzbin | 12:39 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: So a sort of ongoing anchor in the log for "a bit ago" | 12:39 |
| acidjazz | so that doesnt interest you i hit 100mb/s ? :) | 12:39 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: nope :D | 12:39 |
| acidjazz | are you using greasemonkey | 12:39 |
| acidjazz | no? u get faster? | 12:39 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: no no the same.. sabnzbd on osx | 12:39 |
| ifreq | i get prob the same with 110M dl line | 12:39 |
| acidjazz | at home? | 12:40 |
| ifreq | yes | 12:40 |
| acidjazz | what isp and how much | 12:40 |
| felipec | red: msn-pecan is supported on the N900 through telepathy-msn-pecan | 12:40 |
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| ifreq | 110/5 crappy upload but no need to | 12:40 |
| acidjazz | what isp | 12:40 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: its in finland.. . docsis 3.0.. and price is 54 eur/month | 12:40 |
| tybollt | 54 EUR? | 12:40 |
| tybollt | ouch | 12:40 |
| ifreq | it should go faster in future.. ppl are testing 200M as we speak | 12:41 |
| * tybollt pitty the fool | 12:41 | |
| tybollt | ;) | 12:41 |
| ifreq | tybollt: well its not bad for working one ;) | 12:41 |
| ifreq | tybollt: ive got 4 diff WAN @home | 12:41 |
| ifreq | :) | 12:41 |
| ifreq | 2 pays company 2 i pay myself | 12:41 |
| ifreq | i wont run out of internet accesss | 12:41 |
| ifreq | !! | 12:41 |
| acidjazz | so htats $75 us | 12:41 |
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| acidjazz | ifreq: so i pay 22 eur/month | 12:41 |
| tybollt | ifreq: You're serious about your intarwebz connections >:) | 12:41 |
| ifreq | tybollt: yeah, well 2 are for free so :P | 12:42 |
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| ifreq | one is 3G and 110/5 is cable | 12:42 |
| ifreq | one wireless 450MHz and one is adsl | 12:42 |
| ifreq | :) | 12:42 |
| acidjazz | also docsis 3.0 ifreq 50M/s | 12:42 |
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| tybollt | ifreq: I have two as well, one company and then a 3g dongle for missus to use while out'n about | 12:42 |
| ifreq | y | 12:42 |
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| acidjazz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Speed_Tables | 12:42 |
| tybollt | my home connection is 10/100mbit | 12:42 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: i love the nntp stuff.. used half year now :) | 12:43 |
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| napo | Hi all! | 12:43 |
| acidjazz | ifreq: are you using greasemonkey w/ the sabtab plugin? | 12:43 |
| ifreq | nope | 12:43 |
| acidjazz | oh dood | 12:43 |
| acidjazz | you _have_ to get that | 12:43 |
| napo | Somebody know if is possible use the Ovi data maps with navit on N900? | 12:43 |
| ifreq | only sab | 12:43 |
| ifreq | why acidjazz ? | 12:43 |
| tybollt | saab? | 12:43 |
| acidjazz | ifreq: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/6094 | 12:43 |
| acidjazz | you go to newzbin | 12:43 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: i dont need such.. | 12:43 |
| acidjazz | its a new tab | 12:43 |
| acidjazz | yes you do | 12:43 |
| acidjazz | you click it in newzbin | 12:44 |
| acidjazz | boom done | 12:44 |
| ifreq | nope | 12:44 |
| ifreq | sab can poll newzbin for bookmarks | 12:44 |
| ifreq | i tick bookmarks on newzbin | 12:44 |
| ifreq | and voila | 12:44 |
| ifreq | :P | 12:44 |
| ifreq | coulndt be simpler | 12:44 |
| acidjazz | you psat hte bookmark into sab | 12:44 |
| acidjazz | right | 12:44 |
| ifreq | so i can do it @work | 12:44 |
| acidjazz | paste* | 12:44 |
| ifreq | nope. not paste.. click it | 12:44 |
| tybollt | btw | 12:44 |
| ifreq | nad sab polls it remotely from newzbin | 12:44 |
| ifreq | :) | 12:44 |
| acidjazz | read that url i gave you | 12:44 |
| ifreq | read allready | 12:45 |
| tybollt | why did N00ki never make a desktop stand/charger/usb-multiplexer for their phones? I find that odd | 12:45 |
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| ifreq | acidjazz: mostly statistics, i cant see them anyways.. as i mostly tag bookmarks while @work. :) | 12:45 |
| ifreq | used such addon before i discovered i can bookmark shit | 12:45 |
| acidjazz | you can like select 50 thing and just hit the tab button all get sent | 12:47 |
| acidjazz | and its built into ff | 12:47 |
| acidjazz | you just give it the sab server info and login | 12:47 |
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| TheNewAndy | I have a program which uses g_module (a wrapper around dlopen) to load some functionality at runtime. | 12:47 |
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| TheNewAndy | it works fine on my (x86) desktop, but when I run it on the n900, the | 12:47 |
| TheNewAndy | plugins can't be loaded, because they can't find the symbols in the | 12:48 |
| acidjazz | ifreq: greasemonkey is supported by n900 | 12:48 |
| TheNewAndy | main part of the program. | 12:48 |
| acidjazz | ifreq: so i can send nzb's to my sabnzbd media server via my phone | 12:48 |
| TheNewAndy | Does anyone know if I need to annotate functions to get their symbols | 12:49 |
| TheNewAndy | to be found? (and why this is different on arm?) | 12:49 |
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| Corsac | TheNewAndy: maybe you didn't pass the correct prefix or something? | 12:50 |
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| TheNewAndy | Corsac, what do you mean by prefix? (I know it is definitely finding the .so files I want it to find though) | 12:50 |
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| Corsac | hmhm is the so is found, then I don't know | 12:52 |
| dpro | TheNewAndy: but what you describe sounds more like the plugin not finding it's dependencies ... | 12:52 |
| TheNewAndy | so to be clear, I wrote the plugin, and the main application | 12:52 |
| TheNewAndy | the plugin is not finding dependencies, but they live in the main application | 12:53 |
| * dpro is just stabbing in the dark here | 12:53 | |
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| * TheNewAndy appreciates it (I'm assuming it will just be me being dumb :)) | 12:53 | |
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| dvoid_ | anyone know where i can get an n900 in sweden? ...without having to wait for a month or two :S | 12:55 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: well im not in such hurry man :D | 12:55 |
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| red | Anyone know any software to manage a SQL database remotely? (via SSH for example) | 12:56 |
| TheNewAndy | so, running objdump -T on the executable, I can confirm that those symbols are missing | 12:56 |
| red | I could always go commandline/emacs but looking for a easy solution with GUI for creating tables fast etc | 12:56 |
| TriztN900 | timeless_mbp: sorry for messing up things on bug 8330, got a bit confused as what happen when I deleted songs with big5 encoding and I dont have support for that char setup so easy to confuse files when you really don't know the name | 12:59 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8330 Delete track from Media Player | 12:59 |
| TheNewAndy | ... and I think the problem is that I'm not passing --export-dynamic... which I think means it is solved enough for now :) | 13:00 |
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| acidjazz | ifreq: its just _cool_ | 13:00 |
| acidjazz | u konw whats lol | 13:00 |
| acidjazz | that hte ipad still doesnt multitask | 13:01 |
| acidjazz | u cant run more than 1 app at a time | 13:01 |
| * VDVsx -> heheh -http://mynokiablog.com/2010/01/28/presenting-the-new-nokia-n90000-and-n900-xl-p/ | 13:01 | |
| acidjazz | VDVsx: fake right | 13:01 |
| acidjazz | lol over 9000 | 13:01 |
| acidjazz | i love how its still 800x480 | 13:01 |
| VDVsx | yes of course | 13:02 |
| ifreq | ipad cant multitask its based on itouch/iphone os | 13:02 |
| ifreq | but on 4.0 it prob can | 13:02 |
| acidjazz | oh 4.0 eh | 13:02 |
| Brumle | dvoid_: http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=494917 | 13:03 |
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| TriztN900 | I wonder if the A4 is pin compatible with 7447A | 13:04 |
| dvoid_ | Brumle, omg , kikade senast igår, då hadde dom inga :P | 13:04 |
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| ShadowJK | what the hell is A4 anyway | 13:04 |
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| hrw | ShadowJK: yet another cortex-a9 based arm soc | 13:05 |
| TriztN900 | the new powerpc cpu from apple | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | huh, arm or ppc? | 13:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ARM. | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | TriztN900, it's an ARM SoC. | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it is not pin-compatible with a PPC CPU. | 13:06 |
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| TriztN900 | is it? thought it would be the ppc tha PA Semi almost released befor apple | 13:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Cortex A9 | 13:07 |
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| * TriztN900 ain't much for apple | 13:07 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm interested to see how that Mali performs. | 13:08 |
| VDVsx | apple bought a 'processors/chip' company a while ago | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ask JamieBennett? :) | 13:09 |
| TriztN900 | VDVsx: PA Semi | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm really surprised that anybody is going to market with an A9 this early, honestly. | 13:09 |
| VDVsx | TriztN900, , that one :) | 13:09 |
| Corsac | GeneralAntilles: aren't there any A9 already available? | 13:10 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: isn't snapdragon also a9? | 13:10 |
| Corsac | I think so | 13:10 |
| Corsac | and nexus one too? | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would be a new development. | 13:10 |
| Corsac | erf, nexus one has snapdragon indeed | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, Nexus One is A8. | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, I think the A9 Snapdragons are sampling, but don't think anybody is shipping them yet. | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK | And now people on #maemo-users are calling it a snapdragon... | 13:12 |
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| VDVsx | iSh** is also a sanpdragon, it seems | 13:12 |
| * ShadowJK thought snapdragon was "A8-like" and not actual cortex a8 | 13:12 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, #maemo-users or -users? | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK | the mailing list | 13:12 |
| VDVsx | there's a maemo-users channel ? | 13:12 |
| VDVsx | ah | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't know there was a irc channel like that | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, the mailing list is a cess pool. | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, there isn't. | 13:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | At least, not so far as I'm aware. | 13:13 |
| MistaED | yay now i can type again, if it hasn't been said yet, the snapdragon doesn't use powervr tech it's AMD-based afaik | 13:13 |
| ShadowJK | My guess what they mean with "A8-like" is that it's armv7 compliant, but that doesn't say anything about its performance :/ | 13:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd really like to see TI shift to ARM for GPU cores in the future. | 13:13 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: tx | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, yeah, I recall the same. Not sure what it means, exactly. | 13:14 |
| ShadowJK | ARM has GPU cores? | 13:14 |
| MistaED | apple might not be able to use snapdragon, all those iphone/touch titles would be designed for powervr *shrugs* | 13:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, Mali. | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, PA Semi's A4 is using it. | 13:14 |
| plastun | hello! Does N900 supports screen keyboard in portrait mode? | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | ARM demoed it at the end of Summer last year. | 13:14 |
| zaheerm | MistaED, they're designed for gl es 1.1 | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | plastun, short answer, no, long answer, yes. | 13:14 |
| plastun | why no and why yes? | 13:15 |
| zaheerm | long answer 1 letter longer than short one | 13:15 |
| ShadowJK | I think in practice they're designed for PowerVR as none of the se Opengl es things seem compatible with eachother... or rather, lack bug to bug compatibility :) | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | plastun: there's a fkb package source for that purpose | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | plastun, it's not built-in, but HIM is open source and I believe there are a couple of portrait input plugins floating around. | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | plastun, so you could hack something together. | 13:15 |
| zaheerm | ShadowJK, well theyre pad uses a mali gpu | 13:15 |
| plastun | ok, i'll see | 13:15 |
| MistaED | zaheerm: yes but there are extensions only used on PVR like their texture format, some games might need to be ported over | 13:16 |
| zaheerm | s/theyre/their/ | 13:16 |
| infobot | zaheerm meant: ShadowJK, well their pad uses a mali gpu | 13:16 |
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| * GeneralAntilles can't decide what to cook for breakfast. | 13:16 | |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: children | 13:16 |
| range | Porridge | 13:16 |
| MistaED | zaheerm: mali what brand is that? | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | soylent green | 13:16 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: wtf. | 13:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, plum out. | 13:16 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: aw. I'll ship you a few | 13:17 |
| ShadowJK | Even with normal GL something that runs beautifully on an nvidia card might not work at all on ATI and intel, for example.. and those are huge huge volume compared to OpenGL ES things.. | 13:17 |
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| zaheerm | MistaED, it is licensed by arm | 13:18 |
| zaheerm | http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/graphics/mali_hardware.html | 13:18 |
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| Khertan | Hi guys | 13:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OpenGL ES stuff really needs a new demo. | 13:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | That stupid robot samurai is old and lame. | 13:19 |
| Khertan | does there is a simple way to use opengl es from python ? | 13:19 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | it's a graphics demo | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | it's old and lame ten minutes after it came out | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, yeah, but that was, like, 3 years ago. | 13:20 |
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| crashanddie | my point exactly | 13:20 |
| VDVsx | oh, seems that Nokia increased market share in 2009 0_0 | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | VDVsx: no they didn't | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | VDVsx: they lost 15% | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | or something | 13:21 |
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| VDVsx | crashanddie, market share, not profit | 13:21 |
| MistaED | Khertan i'm trying to port panda3d right now to fremantle but the EGL context window won't work :( | 13:21 |
| Khertan | :( | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | VDVsx: yes, that's what I said | 13:22 |
| MistaED | panda3d has python bindings :) | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | oh wow, I has a raise | 13:22 |
| MistaED | software rendering works though if you want 2fps on a single triangle | 13:22 |
| asj_ | you're confusing smart phone market share vs all | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | for a company that clearly shows they want to go into services, selling more low-end phones is of no use | 13:23 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, "Based on our preliminary market estimate, Nokia's mobile device market share for the fourth quarter 2009 was 39%, compared with 37% in the fourth quarter 2008 and 38% in the third quarter 2009." | 13:23 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: sure, it pays the bills | 13:23 |
| VDVsx | of course, that's due to low end devices | 13:24 |
| crashanddie | VDVsx: that's hardly growth, I'm pretty sure they lost a lot in ENA | 13:24 |
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| asj_ | aka, there's no reasn to stop milking the cow before she's dry | 13:24 |
| crashanddie | actually, there is | 13:24 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: no, it just leads to mastitis ;) | 13:25 |
| crashanddie | you're better off starting trading butter using your neighbour's cows when you know your cows are nearly dead, cuz the day they're dead, and you stop providing milk from your own cow, your neighbour will be selling milk and butter from his own cows, leaving you screwed | 13:25 |
| tybollt | thanks for the anal(ogy) | 13:26 |
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| asj_ | tybollt: you're milking the wrong part of the cow | 13:26 |
| tybollt | :-D | 13:26 |
| crashanddie | yes, "nokia" is the synonym for "mobile phone" in india/pakistan, no, nokia will not survive if they bet solely on having a few flagship devices in the highend, and a lot of low-end devices in emerging markets | 13:27 |
| tybollt | well | 13:27 |
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| asj_ | mmm, right apple has shown you just need one on the high end ;) | 13:28 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: nokia needs to release mobile phones that work, not that "half work" well months into its product cycle | 13:28 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: like, would apple sell an iphone NOT compatible to app store? No | 13:28 |
| crashanddie | oh fuck off if you're going to use any discussion to moan about the n900 | 13:28 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: does nokia sell their N900 NOT compatible to their appstore? Yes. | 13:28 |
| tybollt | heh :) | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: app store | 13:29 |
| tybollt | jaja | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | you act like it's a serious project | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | it's an ovi store | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | it sells doors | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | made of rotten wood :) | 13:29 |
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| crashanddie | seriously, sell it off, if you want I'll set up a fund so that moaners can get their change back | 13:29 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: just whining really :) | 13:29 |
| crashanddie | but just get the fuck out | 13:29 |
| crashanddie | either be productive or leave | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | can someone please help me? | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | svn is complaining that i have a stuck lock | 13:30 |
| crashanddie | how? | 13:30 |
| crashanddie | no, I don't sell jewish girls | 13:30 |
| asj_ | the way the n900 launched I'm not sure the ovi store is relevant (it's not like the app manager doesn't have a ton of apps) | 13:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles still wants to know how they plan on protecting paid content. | 13:30 | |
| crashanddie | timeless: time for some wd-40? | 13:30 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: easy | 13:31 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: generate unique key per device, and as people pay, add said key to the ~/.htaccess! | 13:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I don't care how YOU plan to do it. :P | 13:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to know how NOKIA plans to do it. | 13:31 |
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| crashanddie | :D | 13:31 |
| asj_ | GeneralAntilles: chmod 000 after you install it ;) | 13:32 |
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| X-Fade | There is the Ovi SSO plugin. | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | So maybe that can be leveraged? | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: actually, my plans might just be the best thing that ever happened to this platform :P | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I'll allow for open content, using the same debian-based repository infrastructure, yet make sure that applications which require licensing can leverage it ;) | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | bow before my awesomeness | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: can you /cs access #maemo add crashanddie | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | or add "op", whatever the command is | 13:34 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Yes, try your powers... | 13:35 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: So you are our far south east mod now ;) | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | thanks :) | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | I am indeed | 13:36 |
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| X-Fade | Helps to have different timezones represented. | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | was the only reason I accepted | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | Oh, I'm sure :) | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | that and GeneralAntilles is such a good lover | 13:36 |
| VDVsx | lol | 13:37 |
| dvoid_ | \o/ i just ordered an n900 | 13:37 |
| dvoid_ | everyone do the n900 dance | 13:37 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: I don't need op powers to feel my epeen grow, I have enough of an ego to barely fit in this 14 storey hotel ;) | 13:37 |
| dvoid_ | \o/ \\o \o/ o// | 13:37 |
| crashanddie | dvoid_: grats | 13:37 |
| glass_ | man, you're fat | 13:38 |
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| Shadikka | o\ | 13:38 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: lol | 13:38 |
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| crashanddie | woops | 13:40 |
| frals | hmm, what package do i need for gst-launch? | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | just rang a buddy on skype, after 30 seconds of ringtone he answers: "Hey sebastian, I'm kinda sleeping right now" "What? What time is it now at your place" "Well, next time you might want to check, new zealand isn't exactly in the same timezone as you, it's twenty to one" | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | woops | 13:41 |
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| asj_ | crashanddie: yes it is almost 1am | 13:44 |
| crashanddie | well I didn't know | 13:44 |
| crashanddie | I'm thinking: "Meh, queensland, tasmania, new zealand, all in the same area" | 13:45 |
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| asj_ | crashanddie: kinda like europe is all somewhere you can drive around in a day or two | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | hey give me a break, I just arrived two weeks ago | 13:46 |
| asj_ | arrived where? | 13:46 |
| crashanddie | and he should've updated his skype timezone properly after moving from london | 13:46 |
| crashanddie | brisbane | 13:46 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: you have red hair? | 13:46 |
| crashanddie | luckily, no | 13:47 |
| asj_ | huh ok | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, aww. | 13:47 |
| crashanddie | yeah, the ginge isn't too well appreciated in oz, is it? | 13:47 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: btw, perth or some 3 hours behind too | 13:47 |
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| crashanddie | asj_: yeah, I knew about perth, also know that canberra/sydney are one hour behind as well | 13:48 |
| crashanddie | because queensland doesn't have daytime savings | 13:48 |
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| crashanddie | oh, and for the record: this is where I live now: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/28/0112246/Man-in-Court-Over-Simpsons-Porn?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher | 13:50 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: which one is 30 minutes behind | 13:50 |
| red | Does files ovi.com work like dropbox? | 13:51 |
| red | like autosyncing between pc and server | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta love Australia | 13:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's all the worst parts of US and British legal systems and politics combined into one place. | 13:53 |
| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: that bad? :) | 13:54 |
| lardman | I'm not sure US and British legal systems should be mentioned in the same sentance thank you very much | 13:55 |
| El_Angelo | can i get root without installing anything from the repo's ? | 13:55 |
| crashanddie | not sure anyone should try to be sarcastic when spelling "sentance" | 13:55 |
| lardman | true | 13:56 |
| lardman | need a spellchecker | 13:56 |
| Khertan | ---> http://khertan.net/vectorstrike.mp4 | 13:56 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:56 |
| Khertan | still needs some optimisation frame per second drop when too many object is display on the screen | 13:57 |
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| * w00t shakes fist at GeneralAntilles | 13:58 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, sweet. | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | "Seriously, can anyone really compare the creaky, rigid-looking iPhone OS 3.2 to the flexibility and functionality of a full-blown Maemo device? Can you say "multitasking"? How about compatibility with industry-standard technologies? Flash? Connectivity? The realistic capability to replace your desktop/laptop/netbook?" | 13:58 |
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| w00t | the reputation of my country of birth shall not suffer any tarnishing from you while i'm on duty! | 13:58 |
| * tybollt know little about aussie legal system outside of what "Prisoner" taught me >:) | 13:59 | |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: thx | 13:59 |
| range | crashanddie: That's why fenenc drops flash now, I guess :) | 13:59 |
| range | *fennec | 13:59 |
| crashanddie | fennec stinks | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, hit me with your best shot. | 13:59 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: haha ... remember me ... what is the cpu ? | 13:59 |
| lardman | crashanddie: it lacks an i- prefix ;) | 13:59 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: hehe | 13:59 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I'll wade in too, being half Australian and all | 13:59 |
| w00t | lardman: you are? cool :P | 14:00 |
| lardman | even if I can't spell these days ;) | 14:00 |
| lardman | yeah, Mum's Aussie | 14:00 |
| * w00t nods | 14:00 | |
| crashanddie | There was an n800 on eBay, on the back the guy had carved "iHate" | 14:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles just had an egg salad sandwich for breakfast. | 14:00 | |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: tasty? | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, that it was. | 14:00 |
| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: was it good? | 14:00 |
| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: what did you drink? | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybollt, nothing yet. | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: you do realise that challenging an aussie to a "shot" is the same as asking a small canadian village for a drinking contest | 14:01 |
| tybollt | .oO(are we attending generaA's interactive blog? ;) | 14:01 |
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| tybollt | generalA | 14:01 |
| w00t | crashanddie: <grin> | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybollt, I don't blog, I just monologue on IRC. | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: it's "GeneralAntilles" | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | w00t: where you from? | 14:01 |
| tybollt | jajaja | 14:02 |
| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: fair enough =) | 14:02 |
| w00t | crashanddie: that's a tricky question | 14:02 |
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| crashanddie | w00t: heh, I know the answer to that | 14:02 |
| w00t | crashanddie: if you mean where I was born, Australia | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | w00t: where were you born? | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | city | 14:02 |
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| w00t | east coast, a few hours south of sydney | 14:02 |
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| crashanddie | w00t: did you celebrate australia day? | 14:05 |
| tybollt | hmm a 900 review up on the Inq | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: code progressing slowly | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: but cracked wifi network now, so have connectivity in hotel room | 14:05 |
| w00t | crashanddie: I marked the occasion, I didn't really celebrate.. bit hard to do that on my own | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | k | 14:06 |
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| anidel | hi | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | so I'm starting to think that most big companies have been missing the target quite a bit on most "big anticipated launches" | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | reception to the n900 was moot | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | google wave is a fag | 14:07 |
| asj_ | crashanddie: you mean invasion day? ;) | 14:07 |
| anidel | hi Seb | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | s/fag/fad/ | 14:07 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: google wave is a fad | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | hey Aniello | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | iPad is ridiculous | 14:07 |
| tybollt | that it truely is | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | vista 2 seems pretty moot as well | 14:07 |
| anidel | I love how the iPad arrived in ALL our houses with almost 0$ spent in ADs | 14:07 |
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| red | does anyone know if \ works as a escape character in SQL? | 14:08 |
| red | entering some tracknames into tables that have 's in the middle | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | asj_: I asked 8 different people what Australia Day represented | 14:08 |
| anidel | a friend of mine just told me "it's amazing, it's like a Star Trek device".. and I told him "Lenovo, MSI and others already announced ipad-like devices" and he replied "oh.. really?" | 14:08 |
| red | like Don\'t | 14:08 |
| anidel | Marketing.. amazing stuff | 14:08 |
| red | notepad++ fucks up the syntax hilighitng but pastebin suggests it works | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, don't fight the RDF. | 14:09 |
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| crashanddie | red: escape character for what? | 14:09 |
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| crashanddie | red: and which database are we talking about? | 14:09 |
| red | crashanddie: SQL :) | 14:09 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles, RDF? | 14:09 |
| red | heres an example | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | red: that is not a database | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | that's a language | 14:09 |
| red | MySQL :p | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, Reality Distortion Field | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | to access a database, each database has its own understanding of it | 14:09 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles, eheh I won't | 14:09 |
| red | crashanddie: INSERT INTO songs ( id, name, time, album_id ) VALUES ( '202203', 'Don\'t Ask Me No Questions', '3:26', '22' ); | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | you're an idiot | 14:10 |
| flux | red, use '' for quoting '. 'hello''world' | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | that's not SQL | 14:10 |
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| Wolfie | flux: isn't that really database specific? | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | Wolfie: it is | 14:10 |
| flux | wolfie, could be. worth a shot, however, and postgresql is somewhat standards compliant :) | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | red: that's string escaping, has nothing to do with the database | 14:11 |
| red | crashanddie: sorry for being an idiot then, guess I've understood the terms wrong. | 14:11 |
| dymaxion | hi, does anyone know on the N900 anywya to pair with anotoher phone and browse their filesystem as you woudl on a desktop OS ? | 14:11 |
| red | flux: so instead of \' use double '' | 14:11 |
| anidel | need to get some lunch.. later | 14:11 |
| Wolfie | flux: everything is "somewhat" standards compliant. The problem is that they all comply to the standards in the different bits | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | red: no, where is this going to be executed? | 14:11 |
| flux | but apparently \-quoting should work in mysql | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | red: in a programming language, or directly in a sql client connected to the db? | 14:11 |
| flux | however, mysql supports ''-quoting as well | 14:11 |
| Wolfie | flux: you should anyways use either prepared statements, or let the db's native API escape it | 14:12 |
| flux | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/string-syntax.html - documentation, what a amazing concept! :-P | 14:12 |
| asj_ | I think dismissing the iPad (which sure is a lame name) is a mistake, it's not just the the form factor which sucks when everyone else does it, but it's making the OS and hardware work well together. Xp/vista/etc is horrible on a tablet | 14:12 |
| crashanddie | red: next time, google it | 14:12 |
| red | crashanddie: using emacs to build up some SELECT clauses | 14:12 |
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| red | Well I did, but having my terms mixed up the results were.. not what I was looking for :) | 14:12 |
| red | I'll just bugger off, sorry for ot | 14:13 |
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| crashanddie | red: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/string-syntax.html | 14:14 |
| kirma | the market which ipad can truly cause trouble are portable multimedia players | 14:14 |
| Wolfie | asj_: i think the best thing to say about the iPad is that if it didn't make you all warm and giddy inside, it's not designed for you. | 14:14 |
| crashanddie | red: mysql has a very good manual, it's probably one of the only very good things about it | 14:14 |
| Wolfie | because it's designed for all those who get this warm and giddy feeling inside, and nobody else | 14:14 |
| kirma | similar to ipod/iphone on portable audio players | 14:14 |
| Wolfie | and that has worked for Apple since... well, since the first macs came | 14:15 |
| w00t | Wolfie: I would have more simply said it's designed for people with more money than sense, but I suppose that works | 14:15 |
| crashanddie | Wolfie: oh bugger off | 14:15 |
| kirma | but that's it, unless apple opens up the possibilities on next major upgrade (software or hardware) | 14:15 |
| asj_ | Wolfie: I donnu, but this 50c degree on my lap at the moment is making parts of my warm... | 14:15 |
| crashanddie | Wolfie: the iPod was made *everyone*, or nearly | 14:15 |
| asj_ | this 50c degree laptop | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | 50 degree laptop? | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Won't that fall off? | 14:15 |
| crashanddie | say goodbye to your kids | 14:15 |
| Wolfie | crashanddie: nope, it wasn't. It was _liked_ by nearly everyone, and that's a big difference | 14:16 |
| Wolfie | crashanddie: if it was made for "everyone", nobody would've liked it | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I do hope it has a proper phone mode. | 14:16 |
| w00t | asj_: then get a better laptop | 14:16 |
| Wolfie | just see all those one-size-fits-all clothes | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I would love a million Dom Jollys to be walking around. | 14:16 |
| Wolfie | w00t: i sense some trolling present | 14:16 |
| w00t | Wolfie: no, you sense common sense | 14:17 |
| w00t | Wolfie: if your laptop is reaching 50C, then there is something wrong with it | 14:17 |
| * GeneralAntilles misses the magic Apple once possessed. | 14:17 | |
| RST38h | Well, rumors of Nokia's demise were somewhat premature: http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/nokia-grows-profits-and-smartphone-share-in-q4/ | 14:17 |
| asj_ | Wolfie: me? | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's an unpleasant disillusionment. | 14:17 |
| kirma | in apple fanboys' opinion, it's persons' own fault if iphone doesn't fit to his needs... | 14:17 |
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| RST38h | General" It is not Apple, it is you no longer willing to be fooled | 14:17 |
| kirma | but it doesn't really matter to apple that their users are idiots as long as they pay too much for stuff. | 14:17 |
| crashanddie | kirma: that sentence is so wrong on so many levels | 14:17 |
| Wolfie | w00t: so, if you, the w00t knew that it's against common sense what iPad does, why do you think Apple never sensed that, but still launched the gear? | 14:17 |
| crashanddie | can we please stop the Apple bashing? | 14:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the company has changed a lot in the last 5 years. | 14:18 |
| Wolfie | asj_: no, w00t. | 14:18 |
| w00t | Wolfie: ..because they are human. | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-I_MJFlZbs | 14:18 |
| Wolfie | w00t: happy trolling | 14:18 |
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| kirma | crashanddie: potentially. | 14:18 |
| w00t | Wolfie: .. right, say hello to my ignore list | 14:18 |
| RST38h | Has always been about the same if you ask me | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | w00t & Wolfie: enough | 14:19 |
| RST38h | Well, pre-Jobs was obviously different a bit | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | w00t & Wolfie: both of you | 14:19 |
| w00t | crashanddie: I'm already done. That's what the ignore list is for. | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: before or after he made shitloads of money at pixar? ;) | 14:19 |
| w00t | crashanddie: I don't tend to bother with people who accuse me of trolling without even understanding what I'm saying :) | 14:19 |
| Khertan | pre jobs ? you post jobs :) | 14:19 |
| Khertan | pre jobs ? you mean post jobs :) | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, not really. The whole Apple Computer -> Apple, Inc summarizes my issues with the company's new direction rather nicely. | 14:19 |
| Khertan | of pre newjobs :) | 14:20 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: that's a strategy move, though | 14:20 |
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| w00t | GeneralAntilles: 'computing' (really the wrong term, but anyway) is a lot more pervasive than it was, obviously | 14:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, one that, unfortunately, doesn't line up with what I liked about them before the move. | 14:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, their whole mobile business, the media stuff. | 14:20 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: I'm confused | 14:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | If they had managed to take Newton tech and combine it with a more OS X-like experience for the iPhone or the iPad I would've been all over that. | 14:21 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: you're saying that they took a new direction, away from general computing, which you liked, but don't like? | 14:21 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Seen the hacky bookmarklets for IRC & mailing lists on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News | 14:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple's mobile platforms and ecosystems are much more locked down than their desktop stuff. | 14:21 |
| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: but macs haven't changed since their renaming of the company, haven't they? I mean, sure, disagree with their overall business plan, but Macs are still Macs, afaik | 14:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, I don't like their mobile and media pursuits. | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: hang on, wiki is dying a small death | 14:22 |
| * asj_ goes to bed | 14:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, can you set +R on -devel? | 14:23 |
| vldcnst | "I don't have to change myself to fit the product, it fits me" << LAME | 14:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Being able to pick something up and use it immediately is awesome. | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | But... | 14:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's no fun | 14:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the romance ends after the first week or so. | 14:25 |
| pekuja | use it immediately? my iPod Touch wouldn't do anything before I installed iTunes and plugged the device in via USB | 14:25 |
| pekuja | (I know that's not what you meant) | 14:26 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, probably, what do you need ? :) | 14:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, it's getting botspam. | 14:29 |
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| RST38h | crash: After, of coure | 14:33 |
| RST38h | course | 14:33 |
| RST38h | General: To me, as a non-expert, even Apple's desktop platforms are pretty locked down | 14:34 |
| RST38h | Starting with the old MacOS and its peculiar memory management issues | 14:34 |
| crashanddie | they are? | 14:34 |
| * RST38h is not an expert in Macs, so it may just be an impression | 14:34 | |
| crashanddie | slauwers_mbp:Downloads slauwers$ uptime | 14:34 |
| crashanddie | 22:34 up 17 days, 18:52, 2 users, load averages: 0.50 0.27 0.28 | 14:34 |
| crashanddie | and still 800 megs free on a 2gb mbp | 14:35 |
| crashanddie | I bring it to work, have it run full day (it goes to sleep when not used), and I don't need to charge it (it runs off battery power whole day) | 14:35 |
| hrw | Jaffa: suggestion for catorise I have | 14:36 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: let it ignore self-created desktop files... "Unknown desktop file: /usr/share/applications/hildon/calendar.catorise.desktop" is annoying | 14:37 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: the wiki focuses a lot on twitter | 14:37 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I haven't been thinking at all in those terms | 14:37 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: I need a cig, think this over | 14:40 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: I won't be able to do the "immediate responder" in PHP | 14:40 |
| crashanddie | so I'd recommend an indexer in whatever language we have handy that can run on the server | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | or a cron job to the php page | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | every 5 minutes or something | 14:41 |
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| crashanddie | bbl | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | taking mobile with me, give me a call if you want to talk it over (if you can, guessing you;re at work) | 14:42 |
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| mgedmin | I miss the old maemo 4 half-screen virtual keyboard ... | 14:43 |
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| w00t | I must admit, the virtual keyboard annoys the hell out of me | 14:44 |
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| red | yeah | 14:46 |
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| red | if you are using it without a keyboard, you prolly have stylus in hand | 14:47 |
| w00t | no | 14:47 |
| red | and the screen is precise :p | 14:47 |
| w00t | I don't use the stylus (really) | 14:47 |
| red | but Maemo 5 virtual keyboard is butterfingers mode =) | 14:47 |
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| w00t | the main reason I get annoyed, to be honest, is that it's occasionally a bit weird - sometimes it won't appear when I want it, other times, it's too sensitive at triggering.. and when it does appear, the animation makes it seem a bit slow | 14:48 |
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| w00t | but it's not like I'm going to go insane about it or anything, it's just an annoyance | 14:48 |
| red | hope when they implement the portrait mode virtual keyboard, it's gonna be at tops half a screen, preferrably 1/3 | 14:48 |
| w00t | mmm | 14:48 |
| w00t | do you really think that will happen, though? | 14:48 |
| red | heres for hoping :) | 14:49 |
| mgedmin | fwiw I used to use the old vkb without a stylus | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, Mac OS X isn't really locked down at all. | 14:49 |
| w00t | portrait (as has been said repeatedly) isn't exactly a designed for use case | 14:49 |
| mgedmin | my fingernails are small enough | 14:49 |
| w00t | mgedmin: *nod* | 14:49 |
| mgedmin | biggest annoyance with current vkb (other than the inconvenience of e.g. typing ,) is that there's no way to open it in xterm | 14:49 |
| mgedmin | without clicking somewhere on screen | 14:49 |
| mgedmin | which, e.g. moves my cursor position in vim | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, biggest annoyance is that they fscking broke it in PR1.1. | 14:50 |
| mgedmin | another annoyance is that if you type 'foo' and press enter, the 'enter' is stripped off | 14:50 |
| mgedmin | broke it how, GeneralAntilles? | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, gestures don't work anymore. | 14:50 |
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| mgedmin | ooh, true | 14:51 |
| mgedmin | I didn't notice | 14:51 |
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| mgedmin | I wouldn't say "broke", I'd say "changed" | 14:51 |
| w00t | gestures? | 14:51 |
| * w00t looks curious | 14:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, gestures are now non-existent. | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Broke. | 14:51 |
| mgedmin | which translates to "broke" only for those people who were used to the old idiosyncratic gestures feature | 14:51 |
| mgedmin | I liked that feature too, btw | 14:51 |
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| tybollt | gestures? | 14:51 |
| w00t | *what* feature? | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, ever since OS2005, you could swipe up, down or back/forth to shift, newline or delete. | 14:52 |
| w00t | hmm. | 14:52 |
| mgedmin | but I'm cursed by the ability to see the other guy's point of view | 14:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, it's broken. | 14:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, the new system isn't an improvement. | 14:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It slowed down my typing dramatically. | 14:52 |
| mgedmin | I can see use cases where it is | 14:52 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: is there a bug? | 14:52 |
| mgedmin | "oops my big fat finger missed the right key, but I see which one I hit and I can drag without releasing to fix it to be the right key" | 14:52 |
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| mgedmin | afaiu it now works the same way as iPhone's vkb | 14:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which isn't an improvement. | 14:53 |
| w00t | mmm | 14:53 |
| mgedmin | which is probably setting the industry standards due to its popularity | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7391 | 14:53 |
| povbot | Bug 7391: Keyboard gestures no longer work | 14:53 |
| w00t | I'd argue it's more *obvious* at least | 14:53 |
| javispedro | on which it may make sense since buttons are small and touchscreen is imprecise. | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least making it configurable wouldn't making virtual input COMPLETELY USELESS for me. | 14:53 |
| w00t | it is a shame that a feature vanished totally, though, without a replacement | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | But Nokia always removes or breaks things in virtual input with each update | 14:54 |
| hrw | bug #7391 | 14:54 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7391 Keyboard gestures no longer work | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I'm totally not surprised. | 14:54 |
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| javispedro | poor povbot | 14:54 |
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| javispedro | povbot: ping | 14:54 |
| povbot | pong | 14:54 |
| hrw | bug #7391 | 14:54 |
| jabis | GeneralAntilles: ya talking 'bout n900 perhaps? ^^ | 14:54 |
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| mgedmin | there's a timeout so povbot won't keep repeating the same link if the same bug is mentioned several times in 10 minutes or so | 14:55 |
| mgedmin | bug 1234 | 14:55 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 close-buttons on home menu are too small | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, can you get him to spit out URLs in #maemo-bugs? | 14:55 |
| w00t | I wonder if swipe working in the text display only would be a workable compromise | 14:55 |
| hrw | thx | 14:55 |
| hrw | bug #7391 | 14:55 |
| * mgedmin kinda HATES supybot | 14:56 | |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles, any other channels too? | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, don't think so. | 14:57 |
| mgedmin | why not? | 14:57 |
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| xt | supybot is lovely | 14:57 |
| mgedmin | config file edited, now how do I tell supybot to reload it? | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, is the question whether there are any other channels he's not working in or that we want him in? | 14:58 |
| mgedmin | povbot logs a few channels that are not maemo-related | 14:59 |
| povbot | mgedmin: Error: "logs" is not a valid command. | 14:59 |
| mgedmin | spewing maemo bug links there would not be appreciated, I think | 14:59 |
| jabis | mgedmin: just tell it to "reload" :) | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | any chances of getting nokia to donate a bit of space on a server for irc logs? | 15:00 |
| tekojo | mgedmin how much and where? | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | reload reloads a plugin, not its config | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: I should be able to setup a sync. | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | tekojo, currently the irc logs are under 300 megs, I believe | 15:00 |
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| mgedmin | my uplink is painfully slow (ADSL, maybe 512 Kbit/s) | 15:01 |
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| tekojo | X-Fade or someone else can handle that after a weeks vacation | 15:01 |
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| X-Fade | mgedmin: If you can stay the origin, I can set a mirror up on maemo.org. | 15:01 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles: any DDP news? :) | 15:01 |
| mgedmin | X-Fade, let's talk about that later; I'm supposed to work now | 15:01 |
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| X-Fade | mgedmin: Sure, you know where to find me ;) | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, device queue, you mean? | 15:02 |
| alterego | yeah | 15:02 |
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| jabis | mgedmin, without any additional params, it should reload the user & channel db's and whatnot | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, did you see bug #8450? | 15:03 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8450 Add remaining IRC cloaks | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | maybe I have an old version, jabis? | 15:03 |
| * GeneralAntilles was tempted to add an IRC component. | 15:03 | |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes, but you are not at 20 yet ;) | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ah, I see how it is. ;) | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I'll request those tomorrow, ok? | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, cool. | 15:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Otherwise I'll just pad it out to 20 with some of my cronies. ;) | 15:04 |
| anidel | back | 15:04 |
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| vldcnst | What do you guys use for transferring data from n900 to pc? | 15:09 |
| vldcnst | Over wireless, ofc. | 15:09 |
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| alterego | sftp | 15:09 |
| zaheerm | scp / rsync | 15:09 |
| alterego | gnome has great sftp incorporation :) | 15:10 |
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| Shrik3 | rsync over ssh | 15:13 |
| Shrik3 | but actually it's just faster to blindly copy shit over scp | 15:13 |
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| Shrik3 | because the hashing and checksumming required by rsync is pretty cpu intensive | 15:13 |
| ifreq | sshfs | 15:13 |
| Wolfie | bluetooth :) | 15:13 |
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| Jaffa | hrw: it does, but the .catorise.desktop files are a hangover from a broken version in -devel. It now uses catorise-foo.desktop rather than foo.catorise.desktop (and ignores the former) | 15:17 |
| Milhouse | ------------------------------------- | 15:17 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: I've got a hacky Perl script (btw, garage project is approved so'll have svn at mwkn.garage.maemo.org) which checks the MWKN twitter feeds for input and posts it back out. I'm focussing on Twitter at the moment as it's an easy way of doing ad-hoc data collection (since I have echofon in my browser toolbar) | 15:18 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Last night, whilst catching up on tmo, it was easy to see something which should be in the issue, click a button, type a few keywords and it's then stored in the mwkn twitter account for it to be picked up later. | 15:18 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: ...whilst also acting as a continual drip/firehose feed for people who want to know what'll be in the issue before it is. | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | hu hu | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | I'm fine with that | 15:19 |
| Jaffa | hrw: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=498513&postcount=122 | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | It's just that I don't mind having the PHP script forcibly reload the twitter feed when someone clicks on "Refresh", however I'm not planning on doing it on every page load | 15:20 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: So, everything very hacky at the moment to try and iron out any problems in the process/motivate people/work out real (rather than guessed) requirements | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | and we can't guarantee that the page will be loaded every x seconds to guarantee responses to people | 15:20 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: I imagine that "Create issue" will happen, say, Sunday afternoon (GMT) and that'll then take a copy of everything in the Twitter feed so then it can be reviewed (and meta-data fleshed out, or marked as excluded) so that there's a fixed palette of content available to the sub-editors. | 15:21 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Special casing then for any late breaking news; but anything coming in after an issue starts being properly compiled is left over to the next one | 15:21 |
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| red | offtopic: http://etherpad.com/MYLkkXFa6r - weird SELECT output problem (SQL) | 15:24 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-January/016021.html | 15:26 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: excellent! | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Installing it now. Let's see ;) | 15:33 |
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| alterego | Hrm, I get jittering with StackableWindow ... | 16:00 |
| AndrewFBlack | Anyone know if Extras has been fixed yet? | 16:00 |
| alterego | Only with the transition when it's created :( | 16:00 |
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| AleMaxx | hello,can somebody provide me with a "pvr.ko"? I want to have a look. | 16:07 |
| Khertan | http://khertan.net/vectorstrike.mp4 <<< is lacking a real pygame expert to improve fps ... | 16:07 |
| lcuk | Khertan, release i wanna see it | 16:08 |
| lcuk | i rt: you this morning with that | 16:08 |
| Khertan | ha didn't see it yet | 16:09 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:09 |
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| Khertan | lcuk ... it s too slow to be release yet | 16:10 |
| Khertan | lcuk: and lack some features ... at least add a bonus or more ennemy type | 16:11 |
| alterego | Looks really good. | 16:11 |
| alterego | From scratch? | 16:11 |
| lcuk | Khertan, people can have a go at improving it if they can tweak at home | 16:11 |
| lcuk | it looks amazing | 16:11 |
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| * w00t clicks | 16:12 | |
| alterego | Yeah, really good use of the accelerometer. | 16:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, release early, release often! | 16:12 |
| lcuk | +1 | 16:12 |
| alterego | Teehee, AND ACCEPT PATCHES!! ^.^ | 16:12 |
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| RST38h | Then users will think you only release shit | 16:12 |
| alterego | No, the "users" shouldn't be using extras-devel ;) | 16:12 |
| lcuk | ok, "put to -devel for testers to hack at" | 16:12 |
| w00t | Khertan: hmm, how are you doing those explosion effects? | 16:12 |
| w00t | (well done, btw) | 16:13 |
| RST38h | Also, as applied to maemo, pushing a release into Extras is such a pain that it takes all the fun out of releasing often | 16:13 |
| Khertan | it s a stealled idea :) | 16:13 |
| Khertan | stollen code | 16:13 |
| * RST38h suspects there is a huge chasm between how maemo.org policy makers THINK users should use the repos and how users ACTUALLY use the repos | 16:13 | |
| Tonzas | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39728 - Has anyone found a solution for this yet? :o | 16:14 |
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| RST38h | Heheh, TheIndependent attributed Googles China spat to Sergey Brin's soviet origins. | 16:15 |
| VDVsx | OMG sites like gizmodo are bashing the iSh**, the world is coming to a end :p | 16:16 |
| RST38h | Some journos are weird. | 16:16 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, those bastards hacked my gmail account, and I'm not a activist!! | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: They are trying to get to the Secret Maemo Sourcecode! | 16:17 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, ehehe, if so they've to choose better targets | 16:18 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: thx | 16:20 |
| hrw | Jaffa: add printf "\n" and end of progressbar ;D | 16:21 |
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| lbt | funny iPad spoof.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs&feature=player_embedded | 16:23 |
| lbt | may have been posted already | 16:23 |
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| RST38h | Apple intends to follow up its anticipated iPad success with a miniature, pocket-sized version boasting added voice technology. | 16:27 |
| RST38h | OMG they will invent the cell phone! | 16:27 |
| * RST38h cackles | 16:27 | |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: wasn't talking about that, rather about the fact that in the wiki proposal, there's a point that says that the bot would automagically reply to people submitting something to an invalid category | 16:30 |
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| crashanddie | red: still having SQL issues? | 16:32 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: I have a caching engine that ensures files are only read/written within acceptable time limits (no configuration updates every 5ms for example) | 16:33 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: The caching engine supports HTTP links, files on disk, etc, understands HTTP expiry flags and so on and so forth | 16:34 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: A simple run with full debug requires roughly 100k of disk space worth of logs (and I'm not even polling twitter yet), when the caching engine is enabled there's a performance increase of roughly 940% (going from 160ms to 17ms) | 16:38 |
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| roadi | why are numbers like *100# no valid numbers? this is the number for getting the deposit value of my prepaied card. | 16:42 |
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| crashanddie | roadi: this issue has been reported quite a few times, there's a bug open for it | 16:42 |
| roadi | and a idea how to resolv it? so i would take some time for solving it. | 16:43 |
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| crashanddie | it's not something you can solve | 16:44 |
| crashanddie | Nokia will most probably need to release an update to the phone software | 16:44 |
| vldcnst | roadi: ussd-widget | 16:45 |
| vldcnst | Kinda buggy tho. | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 | 16:45 |
| povbot | Bug 5357: Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# | 16:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | another update | 16:46 |
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| crashanddie | I can't believe #5357 has had 22 duplicates xD | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | I mean seriously... GTFO | 16:50 |
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| matan | That's what you get when you close a bug that is still there. | 16:51 |
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| w00t | simple pyqt/pyside tutorial, if anyone is interested: http://pastebin.ca/1769390 | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | as the defaulty search won't find closed bugs | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | matan: it's not closed | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | matan: it's resolved | 16:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | matan, please troll elsewhere. | 17:01 |
| OptX | Hi. My Xephyr screen is kina mirrored. Why that ? | 17:01 |
| JimiDini | crashanddie: I guess bug is just too critical for a lot of people. and, again, for a lot of people bugtracker is not a trivial concept. they are told to use it, but they don't know how to do it properly | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: There's no reason the Perl Twitter bot I've got running on a cronjob couldn't continue and integrate into your resource provider API | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, there's a guide. | 17:02 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: how does it collate the data? | 17:02 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: does it add it to the db? | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, problem (everywhere) is that people are too lazy/uncaring/stupid to educate themselves. | 17:02 |
| JimiDini | GeneralAntilles: "usual users" do not read guides. they don't have time for that | 17:02 |
| matan | GeneralAntilles: What? | 17:02 |
| crashanddie | JimiDini: I'm tired, this is tongue in cheek: "Of course there's a solution for usual users" | 17:03 |
| crashanddie | "They can fuck off" | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | JimiDini: and how does a user _find_ this guide | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: | 17:03 |
| OptX | is Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb & not right to start it ? | 17:03 |
| JimiDini | they have a device, they have a problem, they just want to reach "support". they don't care about logistics | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: same with device manual | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, there are links to the bug reporting guidelines on several pages on the sight. | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, I'd link you to them if the damn thing would load. | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | JimiDini: seriously, we don't need to go over this _again_ | 17:04 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: shouldn't you be sleeping? Or are you awake already? | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, 1-800-NOKIA-CARE | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it's 10 AM | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | oh | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, Bugzilla is not a user support system. | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Sharing | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the links on the top of that page. | 17:05 |
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| JimiDini | GeneralAntilles: true. still, people often think that it is… | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, but, yes, early mornings this week. | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, that's a problem of lazy/uncaring/stupid. | 17:05 |
| pupnik | check greenwald's latest | 17:06 |
| * GeneralAntilles is really bored with the attitude of entitlement so pervasive these days. | 17:06 | |
| crashanddie | JimiDini: people also believe that at some point people believed the earth was flat, that doesn't make it so though | 17:06 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: At the moment, it keeps track of the last ID processed, asks Twitter for anything new and processes them back into Twitter. Making it push into a DB would be *trivial*. | 17:06 |
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| JimiDini | other option is, that, probably, bugzilla should be "hidden" behind links to Nokia's support | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | JimiDini: and more automated stuff | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | 'report a bug' | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | JimiDini, maemo.nokia.com links never did get integrated into maemo.org | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | which filled in most of the fields. | 17:07 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: Well, we need to define how we want to have this bot running | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | It should run through a post-apocalyptic landscape, firing lasers at the fleeing humans. | 17:08 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: if the only purpose of the bot is to reply to people when they've selected a wrong category, then it makes sense for the PHP part to go to twitter and process outstanding posts into the db and subsequently to the user interface | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: if, however, the PHP side of things is not going to talk to twitter for a long time (or at all) and rely on the twitter data to be injected into the DB automatically, I have no issue with that | 17:10 |
| crashanddie | only thing is, option a/ offers the subs and eds the possibility to forcefully refresh the twitter/database cache, whereas option 2/ requires a wait until the next run of the perl script | 17:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | How/what handles the GSM side in software? Is it a serial port with AT commands talking to a process - or is it more complex? | 17:12 |
| BLUG_Fred | hi! i'm in China and apparently the content is "per country" , so I can't download Bounce Evolution ... anyone has an idea if there is a mirror or another to get it? | 17:12 |
| * w00t raises an eyebrow at maemo-developers | 17:13 | |
| tybollt | w00t: ? | 17:13 |
| BLUG_Fred | i mean the ovi store content... sorry | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, open/free? | 17:13 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: if you find out, would you please /msg me, I'd really like to know myself :) | 17:13 |
| w00t | tybollt: that whole mauku thread seems rather poisonous | 17:13 |
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| w00t | GeneralAntilles: yeah | 17:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | w00t, hehe. | 17:13 |
| tybollt | w00t: care to link me? | 17:14 |
| w00t | tybollt: sec | 17:14 |
| tybollt | dank mal | 17:14 |
| BLUG_Fred | i get "Sorry, this item is not available for your country." | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/57943 | 17:14 |
| w00t | ta, GeneralAntilles | 17:14 |
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| w00t | BLUG_Fred: I don't know of any, sorry | 17:14 |
| * tybollt bows to the General | 17:14 | |
| BLUG_Fred | w00t: well thanks.. | 17:15 |
| w00t | BLUG_Fred: might be an idea to contact the developer and ask them why that is the case | 17:16 |
| tybollt | and in the case of .cn, also the state censorship | 17:16 |
| w00t | heh | 17:16 |
| w00t | now now, let's not get anybody arrested | 17:16 |
| BLUG_Fred | w00t: actually all their games are "not available" even what I assume to be 'paid' ones | 17:16 |
| w00t | BLUG_Fred: I don't think ovi store has any paid content, yet | 17:16 |
| BLUG_Fred | tybollt: nothing to do with .cn | 17:16 |
| w00t | BLUG_Fred: last I heard, they had problems with it of some kind | 17:16 |
| BLUG_Fred | w00t: ah.. | 17:17 |
| tybollt | BLUG_Fred: Or maybe I was joking... | 17:17 |
| BLUG_Fred | tybollt: ah... | 17:17 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: I quite like the architecture of having collectors inject into the DB and then the UI concentrate on manipulating the data in there (perhaps also with a manual add facility) | 17:17 |
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| tybollt | try googlers vs china :) | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | BLUG_Fred, what about the Application Manager? can you try to install it from there? | 17:17 |
| BLUG_Fred | tybollt: well it doesn't make me laugh.. my site has been down for over a month because of the recent change of policies... so | 17:18 |
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| tybollt | Jaffa: Sounds like a sane concept to me | 17:18 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: yes, because a bouncing ball would inspire the people to revolution so drastically... | 17:18 |
| BLUG_Fred | mgedmin: well it's not there. the Bounce evolution is only on the ovi store | 17:18 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: yeah, manual add already exists | 17:18 |
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| BLUG_Fred | tybollt: but.. well.. life | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | did they remove it from the repo? | 17:19 |
| * mgedmin checks | 17:19 | |
| mgedmin | downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ovi/./Packages | 17:19 |
| BLUG_Fred | mgedmin: yes .. it's not there. not sure if it was before.. just got my n900 | 17:19 |
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| mgedmin | I installed it with app manager back before Ovi store got opened | 17:19 |
| BLUG_Fred | mgedmin: ok let me try this then.. thanks | 17:20 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: the wiki conceptualises the whole principle as "showing the twitter post", I don't think that's a good idea. I'd rather capture the keywords, link and author, then have a secondary page load based on that link, which would attempt and dig things out such as author of the post, post contents, date and etc | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | I dunno if maybe they do some sort of IP filtering on the repo side | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | maybe it's just the web interface that blocks all games? | 17:20 |
| BLUG_Fred | mgedmin: yes I get.. browse similar content which shows me some shitty Chinese games while the N900 will not be sold in China... | 17:20 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: this "pure" data would be displayed to the editor, as to not distract or oblige the loading of an external website with its load of ads and such | 17:21 |
| tybollt | BLUG_Fred: tried raw apt-get? | 17:21 |
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| BLUG_Fred | tybollt: nope | 17:21 |
| dvoid_ | its been like 3h wheres my n900 ;) | 17:21 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: obviously, for URLs which can't be parsed, I was thinking about a "show me original" link which would lead the editor to the original post, either in a frame that pops up in the UI, or new tab/window | 17:22 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Indeed | 17:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | dvoid_, can you ssh into it? ;) | 17:22 |
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| vldcnst | How the heck do you set a startup security code? | 17:23 |
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| mgedmin | vldcnst, somewhere in the control panel, no? | 17:23 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: you haven't expressed your thoughts about mwkn | 17:23 |
| * mgedmin is more afraid of forgetting the security code than of his n900 getting stolen | 17:23 | |
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| tybollt | BLUG_Fred: open a terminal | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | You need to know that the almst undocumented initial code is 12345 | 17:23 |
| tybollt | BLUG_Fred: sudo gainroot | 17:23 |
| BLUG_Fred | tybollt: yes yes.. i know how to do, thanks | 17:23 |
| dvoid_ | GeneralAntilles, no, i think is still in a box waiting for shipment ... ;) | 17:23 |
| tybollt | apt-get install bounce is sufficient here | 17:24 |
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| BLUG_Fred | tybollt: oh... thanks I was wondering the package name... | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I think it's a great idea. | 17:24 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I'm writing as much as I can without losing sanity (I know, how selfish of me). I don't know if I'll hit the deadline of next week, but I'm trying ;) | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it's basically my community highlights minus the attempted commentary and with less overhead. | 17:25 |
| BLUG_Fred | tybollt: yeah! working.. excellent (apt-get method) | 17:25 |
| tybollt | \o/ | 17:26 |
| * BLUG_Fred sends flowers (or beer) to tybollt | 17:26 | |
| GAN900 | FBReader fails at idling in the background. | 17:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | wakeup a second or so | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I meant to poke rst over it | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | but forgot | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | whoa! | 17:29 |
| BLUG_Fred | tybollt: oops.. got an error | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | that explains my suboptimal battery life! | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | I always have fbreader idling | 17:29 |
| BLUG_Fred | tybollt: resolving host timed out | 17:29 |
| BLUG_Fred | will retry | 17:29 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa & GAN900: I'm off to bed, 1:30 here | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, night. | 17:31 |
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| crashanddie | I really like Randall's initiatives sometimes | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, me too. | 17:32 |
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| crashanddie | but goddamn, sometimes he can be an arrogant twat. I didn't give him those comma suggestions because they were suggestions, I was just correcting the grammar. | 17:32 |
| crashanddie | anyway, laters | 17:32 |
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| BLUG_Fred | tybollt: so direct access to the file from a web browser is "forbidden"? | 17:36 |
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| w00t | andre__: ping | 17:38 |
| andre__ | w00t, pong | 17:38 |
| w00t | andre__: I have a bit of a problem. I need to report a bug, but I've no idea what to report it against :) | 17:39 |
| BLUG_Fred | wow thanks guys. it's late here.. need to sleep | 17:39 |
| w00t | andre__: problems with charging/etc LED after PR1.1 update, is the very simple summary | 17:39 |
| BLUG_Fred | i'll try again tomorrow.. who knows, the Internet wind will have turned and everything wil work | 17:39 |
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| andre__ | w00t, system software/general :) | 17:40 |
| Milo- | hmm maemo-browser doesn't seem to show rss-feed links | 17:40 |
| andre__ | Milo-, click [+] next to the address bar? | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | aahh! | 17:41 |
| Milo- | could someone give me rss-feed link to maemo.org/packages/ testing? | 17:41 |
| Milo- | andre__ that is a bookmark | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | w00t, I'm curious, what problems? | 17:42 |
| w00t | andre__: component? | 17:42 |
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| w00t | mgedmin: I'll have it filed soon, and I'll link you | 17:42 |
| w00t | save me repeating myself | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | there's already a bug reported about "LED doesn't indicate charging if the screen is not blanked" | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | although its initial description contained two issues and so it got marked as a duplicate of a different, unrelated bug (about N900 not charging when you plug it in) | 17:43 |
| w00t | this is rather different | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | ok | 17:44 |
| mtnbkr | mgedmin: ya know, I kind of think that if you are looking at the screen and using the device, a bright LED is a bad thing... there is the charging battery indicator on the desktop... When I first saw this behaviour I thought it was a bug but then I kind of thought it was a good idea. | 17:48 |
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| mgedmin | yep | 17:48 |
| wazd | hello all | 17:50 |
| tybollt | how "officiall" is this forum? | 17:52 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: Download Dir: 773.18 GB - Complete Dir: 773.18 GB - Download speed: 12647.31 KB/s - Queued: 126.37/412.27 MB | 17:52 |
| ifreq | :) | 17:52 |
| w00t | lo wazd | 17:52 |
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| mgedmin | tybollt, define "official" | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | you won't find Nokia VPs answering questions here | 17:59 |
| tybollt | meh | 17:59 |
| tybollt | like our chinese friend here | 17:59 |
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| wazd | just checked iPad's UI | 18:00 |
| wazd | well, 3.5/5 | 18:01 |
| ifreq | wazd: its from iphone/itouch so nothing to check :P | 18:01 |
| wazd | maybe even 4/5 | 18:01 |
| tybollt | if we were to get into a (potential) discussion about circumventing whatever marketing ploy at Nokia that is preventing his downloading bounce via apt/HAM and offer him the deb straight up on a privately hosted site would we have nokians swarming w/ cops on there tail? :) | 18:01 |
| wazd | ifreq: not really | 18:01 |
| ifreq | wazd: it is . they didnt make a new OS for tablet | 18:01 |
| wazd | ifreq: they've made a new UI | 18:02 |
| ifreq | wazd: yeh but OS is the same. | 18:02 |
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| ifreq | ok you talked bout UI | 18:02 |
| wazd | ifreq: can you hear me? :P | 18:02 |
| ifreq | as i said. | 18:02 |
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| wazd | it's really smooth, dunno what unicorn dust apple has but it works :) | 18:06 |
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| crashanddie | wazd: NO YOU'RE WRONG THE IPAD SUCKS | 18:07 |
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| wazd | crashanddie: don't think it suck, but it's really useless for me :) | 18:08 |
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| w00t | mgedmin: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8620 | 18:09 |
| povbot | Bug 8620: PR1.1 upgrade rendered status LED useless | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | haha i just realised that as jobs grabbed it it detected his click | 18:10 |
| lcuk | i bet he wasnt expecting that one | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | interesting bug | 18:10 |
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| w00t | lcuk: you had me thinking something much more unsanitary there fyi. | 18:10 |
| lcuk | not entirely unexpected | 18:10 |
| w00t | mgedmin: tell me about it. I'm mostly confused why it only happened to one of two from the same batch. | 18:10 |
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| mgedmin | fwiw on my n900 when fully charged I see a steady always-on green LED rather than occasional flashes you mentioned in "expected outcome" | 18:10 |
| w00t | mm | 18:11 |
| w00t | could be that it's always on, actually, I sleep when mine charges usually | 18:11 |
| w00t | so I was relying on the description from t'missus | 18:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, MCE. . . . | 18:12 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, dsme you mean? :-P | 18:12 |
| wazd | the main mistake in UI is that all elements have accented gloss from the light that is top-forward, but their shadows are rendered like if the light source is right above them | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, pretty sure it's MCE. | 18:12 |
| lcuk | obviously the shadows should use ambient lightdetection | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | and be dynamically rerendered taking account of the RDF | 18:13 |
| wazd | and their contact book is really stupid :) | 18:14 |
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| lcuk | not looked just saw the unveiling and noticed that glitch | 18:14 |
| lcuk | its the same as has existed on many touchscreens tho im surprised jobs let that one go | 18:14 |
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| lcuk | accidentally clicking "buy now" on something whilst carrying it to the kitchen isnt gonna be wanted | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd: that is clearly why you need a camera. | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd: to detect the direction of the ambient light, and render shadows and highlights correctly. | 18:17 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: that is cleary why you need to not make UI's in last 2 days :D | 18:17 |
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| Kegetys | maybe thats what the n900 front camera is for as well, just not implemented yet | 18:18 |
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| wazd | haha, you can't watch apple website on the iPad in portrait mode without zooming :) | 18:20 |
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| tybollt | haha, the ipad is supposed to replace my netbook but it can only run one concurrent process.... oh wait... :S | 18:21 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:22 |
| alterego | tybollt: install maemo on it! :) | 18:22 |
| tybollt | I was joking | 18:22 |
| tybollt | I will never get an iAnything | 18:22 |
| alterego | When I heard they were announcing an "iPad" I thought it was something to do with home automation, and thought, wow, that actually sounds cool. | 18:23 |
| tybollt | I have an iMac at the last job but it mostly collected dust | 18:23 |
| luke-jr | alterego: fail | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, "there's an app for that" surely. ;) | 18:23 |
| wazd | damn, Steve, add wacom pen to it and world will explode | 18:23 |
| luke-jr | tybollt: it's hilarious how the iPad demo started off bashing netbooks | 18:23 |
| luke-jr | but it's even LESS capable than a netbook | 18:24 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles: there's an app for making my alarm sysatem fart :) | 18:24 |
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| tybollt | luke-jr: exactly | 18:24 |
| tybollt | back to what windows was ten years ago | 18:24 |
| wazd | surely you can't do it with capacitive screen though | 18:24 |
| tybollt | but this time it ain't billy goats but steven boobs that decides we can't run >1 concurrent proc | 18:25 |
| wazd | or maybe some doublelayered touch surface | 18:25 |
| luke-jr | tybollt: Windows has improved in the last 10 years? | 18:25 |
| tybollt | well thank ya Steven - fuck you too! | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: err - 20 years | 18:25 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil++ | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | windows has had concurrent processes - at least >ipad since windows 286 IIRC | 18:25 |
| tybollt | :-) | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Or rahter - concurrent user applications | 18:26 |
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| alterego | Anyone managed to do adhoc networking between an N900 and a linux system? | 18:26 |
| wazd | iPhone OS can multitask, but jobs hates it | 18:27 |
| red | managed with windows pc atleast | 18:27 |
| lopz | hi ;-} | 18:27 |
| alterego | Notices anything weird about it? | 18:27 |
| red | takes long time to start getting anything in downstream | 18:28 |
| red | when it started, worked as fine as could imagine | 18:28 |
| red | not that stable connection tho, but could be due my WiFi card on PC | 18:28 |
| alterego | Hrm, I was getting really bad stalling. | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | alterego, bug 5701 | 18:29 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5701 Bluemaemo Stylus Input for Handwriting and Drawing | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | no, wrong bug | 18:29 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:29 |
| alterego | YTeah, that must be it ;) | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | bug 5712 | 18:29 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5712 Ad-hoc wifi leaks kernel memory, puts N900 into unusable swap hell | 18:29 |
| alterego | Ooo, nice ^.^ | 18:29 |
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| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/msis-10-inch-tablet-launching-this-year-at-500-patently-ignor/#comments | 18:34 |
| wazd | just in time :) | 18:34 |
| bilboed-pi | tegra powered ! | 18:34 |
| alterego | Good resolution | 18:34 |
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| luke-jr | what's the Tegra hype anyhow? | 18:34 |
| luke-jr | it's not like nVidia's ever produced anything good; why would Tegra be? | 18:35 |
| Khertan | Hi again ... | 18:37 |
| luke-jr | the new Snapdragon looks better anyhow | 18:37 |
| Khertan | if i want to sell something on the ovi store is it possible still require 50$ entry right ? | 18:38 |
| alterego | I need to find out whether it's going to be possible to use a standard nokia media remote with the N900 somehow. It's the only thing I'm going to miss from my symbian. | 18:38 |
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| alterego | I don't care if I have to write the kernel driver myself :) | 18:38 |
| Khertan | lol | 18:38 |
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| luke-jr | alterego: if you have specs and know how to write drivers, why not? | 18:39 |
| alterego | No specs :P | 18:39 |
| alterego | I do have 5 nokia media remotes though :) | 18:39 |
| alterego | Wait, I meant 3 :P | 18:39 |
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| DrIDK | Hello! I would be happy if somebody success to port openAL on maemo5... Currently , only the iphone support it.... I cannot do myself, and I m not sure if it's possible. has someone any news about it ? | 18:41 |
| alterego | I have a suspicion that the single button on the ddefault headset is probably just triggering a GPIO, and I presume tha the AD remotes use pulse signals. So I'm not sure if GPIO requency would be able to handle it, but then, it must be possible as they do it in symbian devices. Or maybe it's a resistance thing? I don't know I'd have to get out some instruments and test the AD remote myself :/ | 18:42 |
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| luke-jr | alterego: eh, that remote thing is wired? | 18:43 |
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| luke-jr | to me, remote implies wireless :) | 18:43 |
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| jophish | Its my understanding that the small NAND flash in the n900 is much faster than the internal 32gb card, however it is a compressed filesystem. Would it be possible to mount / on the internal card (one ext4 partition). And use the internal flash for a different OS, probably Mer. | 18:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | in principle, sure. | 18:45 |
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| jophish | so fremantle would have no problem with that? | 18:46 |
| slonopotamus | DrIDK, what's exactly problematic? | 18:46 |
| jophish | it seems like a sensible way of doing things. | 18:46 |
| luke-jr | jophish: NAND is not a block device | 18:46 |
| luke-jr | jophish: ext3/4 would destroy it relatively quick | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | NAND has builtin errors | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It's sold that way | 18:47 |
| DrIDK | slonopotamus: I didn't find any documentation about openAL porting... And I m not sure if it's compatible with pulse | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | it's specified as 'Total error-free capacity at 100000 writes per block will exceed 256M' | 18:47 |
| jophish | I thought that the 32gb card had a longer lifetime than the 256mb card? | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | or something like that | 18:47 |
| slonopotamus | DrIDK, you can directly output sound to alsa, afaik | 18:48 |
| jophish | or is that because by default it's mainly fat | 18:48 |
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| luke-jr | jophish: it's because the 32 GB emulates a block device | 18:48 |
| luke-jr | also because it's FAT | 18:48 |
| Khertan | Is there any documentation information somewhere for wanting to make apps for ovi store ? | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | it isn't really true IMO. | 18:48 |
| Khertan | it s a real pain ! | 18:49 |
| jophish | luke-jr, what you are saying is that the 32gb card isn't really appropriate for the root filesystem | 18:49 |
| luke-jr | jophish: sure it is | 18:49 |
| luke-jr | what I'm saying is that ext3/4 are not appropriate for flash, NAND or SD | 18:49 |
| slonopotamus | DrIDK, and it does work with pulseaudio. | 18:49 |
| luke-jr | jffs2 is good for NAND up to a certain size; ext2 is good enough for SD | 18:50 |
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| DrIDK | slonopotamus: ok! And nobody try to compile it on arm ? | 18:50 |
| YeTr2 | journaling will kill ssd with millions of writes. | 18:50 |
| jophish | I see. thanks | 18:50 |
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| luke-jr | YeTr2: the main issue for SD is that it doesn't guarantee writing things back in the same order | 18:51 |
| slonopotamus | DrIDK, it's marked stable on arm in gentoo, which means it works on arm in general. | 18:51 |
| setanta | alterego, I saw that some time ago you had problems running scratchbox on kvm and Xephyr outside it. | 18:51 |
| setanta | alterego, did you managed to get it working? | 18:51 |
| pupnik | DrIDK: i've compiled openAL apps, so has bundyo and ukki | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | DrIDK, though, in maemo, you're going to have a long fun repackaging it from debian/ubuntu (as with any other package) | 18:52 |
| pupnik | yeah, what slonopotamus said | 18:52 |
| * AndrewFBlack would kill for an way way to sync stuff to my tablet | 18:52 | |
| pupnik | at least i think we did | 18:53 |
| DrIDK | pupnik: why you didn't package it ? | 18:53 |
| alterego | setanta: I used ssh awith X forwarding and it worked. | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | because it's pain? :) | 18:54 |
| setanta | alterego, I'll try it. thanks. | 18:54 |
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| pupnik | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal-soft/1:1.10.622-1ubuntu1/+build/1435375/+files/libopenal1_1.10.622-1ubuntu1_armel.deb hmm | 18:55 |
| pupnik | http://www.emdebian.org/grip/pool/main/o/openal-soft/libopenal1_1.10.622-1em1_armel.deb | 18:55 |
| pupnik | looks doable DrIDK | 18:55 |
| alterego | How do I read GPIO contacts on the device without writing any C code? ^.^ | 18:55 |
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| luke-jr | alterego: it's under /sys somewhere | 18:56 |
| pupnik | lol i did build it! http://pupnik.de/libopenal0a_0.0.8-4_armel.deb | 18:56 |
| alterego | Not all of them :/ | 18:56 |
| DrIDK | pupnik: We are making a 2d game engine ( graphics,sound , input) multiplateform.. And we need it for maemo5 | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus | 0.0.8? | 18:56 |
| pupnik | well my build was for n800 but it should be binary compatible | 18:57 |
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| slonopotamus | it's 1.11 alr | 18:57 |
| slonopotamus | already | 18:57 |
| pupnik | i believe I have sufficiently demonstrated that it can be built | 18:57 |
| DrIDK | pupnik: slonopotamus! Thanks! | 18:58 |
| slonopotamus | DrIDK, yw | 18:58 |
| * lardman wonders if the iPod Wolfram app is actually anything more than a wrapper around the website | 18:58 | |
| luke-jr | lol | 18:58 |
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| * Arkenoi wonders if mindmeister apple app is anything more than a wrapper around the website and if yes, why the fsck do they not provide just a link. | 19:01 | |
| lardman | so they can charge I assume | 19:01 |
| Arkenoi | i miss mind mapping software much | 19:01 |
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| Arkenoi | well, i am willing to pay for it if they want | 19:01 |
| slonopotamus | lardman, they could charge for link installer :) | 19:02 |
| lardman | borrow someone's apple and to some packet sniffing | 19:02 |
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| jophish | luke-jr, It seems that Nokia used ext3 for a partition on the 32gb card, perhaps they decided that journaling was worth the degraded lifetime | 19:02 |
| JimiDini | lardman: I bet they use ssl :-p | 19:03 |
| lardman | can see the web url at least | 19:03 |
| lardman | that's what I did to work out the Latitude webpage initially | 19:03 |
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| lardman | hmm, Wolfram is actually quite useful for some stuff | 19:05 |
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| lardman | maths, equations with units, etc | 19:05 |
| wazd | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-theme-marina/hildon-theme-marina_0.97_all.deb weee | 19:06 |
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| lardman | I really wish Windows would bugger off and stop telling me to reboot | 19:06 |
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| mtnbkr | lardman: good luck with that. ;) | 19:08 |
| lardman | yeah :) | 19:08 |
| alterego | Think it's going to take a long time to monitor all the gpio's, I wonder if I can enable debugging or something to show when one changes .. | 19:08 |
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| * lardman decides to do as it wishes, cu all later | 19:09 | |
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| alterego | There's 210 GPIO's on the N900 | 19:10 |
| alterego | At least "confgigured" gpios in the kernel. | 19:10 |
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| alterego | Anyhow, I'll play with that later. | 19:11 |
| alterego | home time. | 19:11 |
| luke-jr | jophish: journalling won't degrade lifetime of the 32 GB SD card; it will just be higher risk of data loss | 19:11 |
| luke-jr | or rather, it might, but not as significantly | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | the write leveling operates over a pretty limited area :/ | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | I had a machine running 24/7 with rootfs on sd. logs and such written all the time to sd, ext3... the machine itself died before the sd card... | 19:13 |
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| ShadowJK | so in practice i don't think you'll find much wear-related deaths | 19:14 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: direct NAND would be different I bet | 19:15 |
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| ali1234 | direct nand aka mtd does not support ext3 | 19:17 |
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| w00t | wazd: ping | 19:18 |
| wazd | w00t: oink | 19:18 |
| luke-jr | ali1234: /dev/mtdblockN | 19:18 |
| Kegetys | http://junk.kegetys.net/vice_n900.png vice seems to work surprisingly well without any modifications on the N900 | 19:19 |
| w00t | wazd: just installed marina theme now.. great job - but i have one small nitpick, if you want it :P | 19:19 |
| Kegetys | just would need a fullscreen mode and some gui fixes here and there | 19:19 |
| wazd | w00t: sure | 19:19 |
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| w00t | actually, two.. but first things first | 19:19 |
| w00t | on the home screen(s), the time is printed in blue text | 19:20 |
| w00t | the alarm icon/2.5/3g icon is white, which is much more readable on the blue background | 19:20 |
| w00t | (need a screenshot?) | 19:20 |
| wazd | w00t: hmm | 19:20 |
| wazd | w00t: 0.97? | 19:21 |
| w00t | should be latest, but let me check | 19:21 |
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| wazd | w00t: nowai it can be 0.97 :P | 19:21 |
| w00t | hm | 19:21 |
| w00t | you're right | 19:22 |
| w00t | apt-cache reports 0.9 | 19:22 |
| w00t | how the heck did that happen | 19:22 |
| * w00t scratches head | 19:22 | |
| wazd | delete and re-install | 19:22 |
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| wazd | that should help | 19:22 |
| w00t | I only just installed it | 19:22 |
| wazd | hmm | 19:22 |
| w00t | like, 3 minutes before I said anything | 19:22 |
| * w00t pokes apt | 19:22 | |
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| w00t | ...k | 19:24 |
| w00t | apparantly my n900 decided to not actually update the repos for quite some time | 19:24 |
| w00t | so, my fault | 19:24 |
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| wazd | :P | 19:24 |
| ali1234 | luke-jr: mtdblock is not "direct NAND" it is a software emulation of the hardware in SD cards etc. and a very poor one at that, which is why it should only be used for read only filesystems | 19:24 |
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| luke-jr | ali1234: oh? I thought it was a direct block-to-block mapping | 19:27 |
| ali1234 | more or less it is, but it still has to handle erasing pages | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | and it erases the whole page any time you change 1 bit inside it | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | which means it totally sucks for any kind of rw filesystem | 19:28 |
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| Damion2 | is the ext3 mount using some clever moving journel or is this really a concern we should look out for ? | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ali1234: that's a hardware requirement | 19:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | ali1234: you've got to - well - for '0->1' | 19:31 |
| Damion2 | commit=1 datawriteback=1 ? | 19:31 |
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| ali1234 | Damion2: the ext3 mount is on a internal SD card so it has it's own FTL/wear levelling that's much much smarter than the mtdblock one | 19:32 |
| Damion2 | ali1234: ah | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | SD cards actually use a form of journalling to minimise the number of erases | 19:32 |
| Damion2 | oh I was about to ext2 format my external sd | 19:32 |
| w00t | python2.5-qt4: Depends: python2.5-qt4-opengl (= 4.7-maemo0) but it is not going to be installed | 19:32 |
| w00t | E: Broken packages | 19:32 |
| w00t | this looks ..fun | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ali1234: I'm not aware of any SDs that give out specs actually | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | sure, but you can read between the lines... | 19:33 |
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| * w00t wonders how it got so royally broken | 19:33 | |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr: yes you'd be deranged to run ext3 on mtdblock or nand | 19:35 |
| w00t | wazd: new version seems to have fixed that, but i have one other problem. an 'active' window (like IM or whatever) in switcher looks a bit weird | 19:35 |
| w00t | wazd: screenshot incoming | 19:35 |
| flux | on n810 you can somehow get a freakin' big virtual keyboard when using xterm. what are the rules? apparently pressing somewhere near the top of the screen is one way.. | 19:35 |
| w00t | flux: assuming it's along the n900 rules, keyboard closed, press anywhere on the terminal itself | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | if it thinks you used thumn to press screen you get huge keyboard | 19:36 |
| w00t | (at least, that's why I observe..) | 19:36 |
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| flux | w00t, well, it has two kinds of virtual keyboards | 19:36 |
| flux | w00t, the little one is easy to trig | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | if it thinks you used stylus, you get the small stylus keyboard | 19:36 |
| flux | shadowjk, hmm.. | 19:36 |
| w00t | flux: k, out of my area :) | 19:36 |
| Damion2 | flux: you want better xterm ? | 19:37 |
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| visz | finally the inevitable maxi pad joke: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/ipad.jpg | 19:37 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1484 | 19:37 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 19:37 |
| w00t | wazd: see /msg | 19:37 |
| flux | damion2, better for n810 you mean? | 19:37 |
| Damion2 | ahh you've not got an n900 ? | 19:37 |
| flux | I have both | 19:38 |
| flux | shadowjk, seems to work that way, thanks :) | 19:38 |
| Damion2 | I am trying to gather support for efforts to making the osso-xterm good | 19:38 |
| Damion2 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42529 | 19:38 |
| ShadowJK | flux: heh, it only worked the first week or so for me :) | 19:38 |
| ShadowJK | now it's pretty random whether it registers thumb as thumn, or at all | 19:39 |
| flux | (or actually I gave the n810 to my gf, her nokia 9200 died) | 19:39 |
| Arkenoi | 9200? wow | 19:39 |
| Arkenoi | it had no gprs iirc? | 19:40 |
| flux | hmm, am I mistaking it for something else.. it had gprs, but no edge | 19:40 |
| luke-jr | and N810 has no GSM :p | 19:40 |
| flux | it had colors as well :) | 19:40 |
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| flux | luke-jr, well, she also has a 'regular' e71 to go with it. | 19:40 |
| Arkenoi | hmm, gprs but no edge.. 9500 had both, 9210/9250 had neither | 19:40 |
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| flux | but, big screen is nice | 19:41 |
| Damion2 | 9210, worst phone EVAR! | 19:41 |
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| flux | maybe it was 9500. was 9500 the predecessor of 9300i? | 19:41 |
| flux | if so, it was 9500 | 19:41 |
| Arkenoi | Damion2, i spent 3 years with it ;-) | 19:41 |
| Myrtti | a log | 19:41 |
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| Myrtti | handy to use for killing fish | 19:41 |
| Damion2 | I regretted ever leaving the 9110 | 19:41 |
| Arkenoi | not actually a "predecessor", but a kind of | 19:41 |
| Damion2 | although ssh was nice once putty was ported, until then utter shit | 19:41 |
| Damion2 | oh and bounce 2d was good | 19:42 |
| Damion2 | but that's it | 19:42 |
| Damion2 | 9500 was AMAZING in coimnparison | 19:42 |
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| Arkenoi | 9500 had bigger screen and keyboard | 19:42 |
| Arkenoi | Damion2, sore | 19:42 |
| Arkenoi | sure | 19:42 |
| flux | my 9300i died before the summer :(. actually that's when I bought my n810. | 19:42 |
| Arkenoi | there was a rumor an inofficial linux port for 9300/9500 existed | 19:42 |
| flux | sort of like to test if the future n900 would have any promise in it. | 19:43 |
| Arkenoi | 9210 had the *best* keyboard among all communicator series, though | 19:43 |
| flux | well, you can understand how disappointed I was for the 810 keyboard | 19:44 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: better than Zaurus clamshells? | 19:44 |
| luke-jr | flux: same here | 19:44 |
| Arkenoi | yes | 19:44 |
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| ShadowJK | it takes weeks to get used to N810 keyboard, assuming you use it daily | 19:44 |
| zaheerm | i miss the original snake game | 19:44 |
| bennypr0fane | Hi, will complete newbie questions be answered her? | 19:45 |
| bennypr0fane | *here? | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | depends | 19:45 |
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| ShadowJK | sometimes | 19:45 |
| bennypr0fane | i have a problem using maemo browser on n900 | 19:45 |
| bennypr0fane | i don't get the cursor | 19:45 |
| ShadowJK | but unasked questions are never aswered | 19:45 |
| ShadowJK | swipe from left, from outside the display, towards right | 19:46 |
| ShadowJK | tap the icon with pointer so there is red diagonal lin over it | 19:46 |
| bennypr0fane | exactly what i did. nothing happens | 19:46 |
| bennypr0fane | no pointer appears | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | bennypr0fane: press the screen | 19:47 |
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| bennypr0fane | speedevil while sliding from the left? | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean after | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | to put the pointer on the screen | 19:47 |
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| mtnbkr | sweet! Working with a dev to get maemo email IMAP client to work properly with my Zimbra server. :) | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | doesnt work in bookmarks | 19:49 |
| bennypr0fane | now way. nothing happening. only the content of the page moves a little to the left and then flips back in position as i keep sliding to the right | 19:49 |
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| bennypr0fane | was that function available with the first version of Maemo shipped on new devices? | 19:51 |
| bennypr0fane | or only after fw-update? | 19:51 |
| ShadowJK | yes, first | 19:51 |
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| ShadowJK | you need to start from as far left as the front camera | 19:52 |
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| bennypr0fane | now it appeared for a sec | 19:53 |
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| bennypr0fane | and disappeared again | 19:53 |
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| bennypr0fane | hm, i think i figured it out | 19:55 |
| bennypr0fane | do i have to start from the LOWER left side? | 19:55 |
| bennypr0fane | or is it supposed to work starting from the WHOLE of the left margin? | 19:55 |
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| ShadowJK | i think it works better lower left | 19:56 |
| ShadowJK | beside, if you start upper or mid left you're swiping over the camera or over the loudspeaker | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be nice if the whole of the left and rightside of the front were seperate touchpanels to the screen | 19:58 |
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| bennypr0fane | indeed it would | 19:58 |
| bennypr0fane | this is not working properly | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | works fine for me | 19:59 |
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| bennypr0fane | i get the pointer 2-3 out of 10 swipes | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I get it 10/10 | 19:59 |
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| bennypr0fane | ok, i think i figured it out | 20:00 |
| bennypr0fane | only lower proti | 20:00 |
| bennypr0fane | *portion | 20:00 |
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| bennypr0fane | no way of getting it from swiping in form the upper part | 20:02 |
| bennypr0fane | that should be mentioned in the instructions | 20:02 |
| bennypr0fane | thanks for help anyway | 20:02 |
| bennypr0fane | or does work for differently for anyone? | 20:03 |
| mgedmin900 | nope, I only get the cursor in the bottom part too | 20:04 |
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| bennypr0fane | also, the cursor comes only in full screen mode and not when zoomed into the page | 20:08 |
| bennypr0fane | no, not true. zoomed in works too | 20:09 |
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| bennypr0fane | ok, it also works when controls are visible. the trick is to hit exactly the right portion of the screen margin | 20:12 |
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| pupnik | flux: if n810 keyboard had a better pressure point and raised letters it would have been great, imo. | 20:12 |
| bennypr0fane | nimmst auch fladenbrot? | 20:13 |
| flux | pupnik, if :-) | 20:13 |
| bennypr0fane | oops, sory | 20:13 |
| flux | pupnik, even less pressure would've had been great | 20:13 |
| bennypr0fane | sorry for bugging you guys, bye1 | 20:13 |
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| pupnik | i didn't mind n810 keyboard, until i tried n900 keyboard :( | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | n900 keyboard is awesome. | 20:14 |
| toggles_w | pupnik: lol, yeah me too, had to use the n810 last night, yuk | 20:15 |
| mgedmin900 | me too | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | i like the 810 kb, tho nowadays it feels more like a laptop than a tablet :D | 20:16 |
| pupnik | wonder if you could solder n810 speakers into n900 case | 20:16 |
| mgedmin900 | soldering the n810 vkb ought to be easier | 20:16 |
| mgedmin900 | only the damn thing was closed source | 20:17 |
| pupnik | how about n810 crammed into a psion 5mx case :) | 20:17 |
| pusling | can't you solder the usb port on the n900 to be a OTG port ? | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | pusling: that's apparantly a red herring. | 20:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | pusling: It does seem not to need soldering - but more research is needed. | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Or rahter - USB host may work - OTG cannot. | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | USB host with external power. | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to finish reading datasheets, and get to reading kernel. | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | more | 20:18 |
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| pusling | SpeedEvil: oh. I tried asking a friend of mine who was working at nokias n900 driver department, and he said that the connections wasn't there at all ? | 20:19 |
| Corsac | hmhm, the main use for usb host for me would be camera | 20:19 |
| Corsac | though that would require some libgphoto interface too | 20:19 |
| bennypr0fane | how do i figure out if i have the latest firmware installed on n900? | 20:19 |
| Corsac | bennypr0fane: settings / about | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | pusling: that seems to be incorrect. | 20:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | pusling: At least based on very similar device datasheets - the OTG 'enable' pin is simply an input. | 20:20 |
| bennypr0fane | corsac 2.2009.51-1 is that the latest one? | 20:20 |
| Corsac | yes | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | pusling: that is - it needs connected to an external socket so that the CPU can be informed of the state of the OTG pin in the socket. | 20:20 |
| uhsf | I just received my Nokia N900 :-) | 20:21 |
| bennypr0fane | corsac thanks | 20:21 |
| pusling | SpeedEvil: okay. I would be happy if I could use it in hostmode somehow. wether or not I have to flip a switch in proc (or similar place) is fully accepted, as long as I easy can get it back again | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | pusling: With the current hardware - this of course can't happen. But the USB PHY chip does not actually directly act on the state of the OTG pin. It merely informs the CPU, that then turns the port round. | 20:21 |
| bennypr0fane | uhsf congrats, it's awesome | 20:21 |
| uhsf | Should I open the box or do my homework that is due tomorrow first? | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | pusling: no hardware mods | 20:22 |
| bennypr0fane | uhsf do your homework | 20:22 |
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| bennypr0fane | once you open the box.... | 20:22 |
| SpeedEvil | uhsf: Congratulations! Now just configure itunes before you can use it. | 20:22 |
| ShadowJK | i get cursor when swiping over camera too | 20:22 |
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| pusling | (and it would have been nice if they had added a usb host+client socket (the | | one) instead of the client-only socket ( / \ one) | 20:22 |
| uhsf | SpeedEvil: you are kidding me right? | 20:22 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 20:23 |
| pusling | SpeedEvil: I'm looking forward to the result of your research, though. | 20:23 |
| SpeedEvil | pusling: microb is pretty much mandated for USB charging. | 20:23 |
| SpeedEvil | pusling: this means it would have needed to be an additional socket | 20:23 |
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| pusling | SpeedEvil: the micro a+b should do charging just as well, shouldn't it ? | 20:23 |
| SpeedEvil | pusling: the microb socket is mandatory on phones in china - for charging. | 20:24 |
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| uhsf | one thing i learned yesterday and i was disapointed is that we can't have two phones with the same number with gsm | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | And encouraged through agreement in the EU | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | uhsf: that's not actually true. | 20:24 |
| pusling | SpeedEvil: but microb cables fits into the micro a+b socket as well. (usb socket on n900) | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | uhsf: It is in principle possible - just practically | 20:24 |
| uhsf | so i will have to swap my sim card if i want to use my freerunner again | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | uhsf: where are yuou? | 20:25 |
| uhsf | it would be better to have two sim cards with the same phone number | 20:25 |
| uhsf | in canada | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 20:25 |
| pusling | (eh. usb socket on n810 is micro a+b) | 20:25 |
| bennypr0fane | right, i just managed several times swiping over the camera too | 20:25 |
| uhsf | i really think that's a fail point for gsm | 20:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not. | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the carriers won't allow it. | 20:26 |
| uhsf | i guess i'll just leave my freerunner pluged into my router and try to find a new use for it | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | The protocol - and some carriers - let you do it. | 20:27 |
| bennypr0fane | but only "secret lower portion" always reveals the cursor... | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | uhsf: I'm using my neo1973 for a microwave oven controller when I get round to it | 20:27 |
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| wazd | http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/1001/c5/5151f9494842.png <- MADDE icon concept | 20:33 |
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| uhsf | kinda evokes sony ericson xperia design | 20:38 |
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| * Arkenoi has 3 sims with the same phone number | 20:41 | |
| Arkenoi | because i had not ask operator for permission ;-) | 20:41 |
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| Arkenoi | actually, 3 sims with two numbers in it | 20:41 |
| uhsf | Arkenoi: what if i just buy a second sim card how to activate it with a specific phone number? are you in canada? | 20:44 |
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| ShadowJK | uhsf: I have 5 cards with same number. They also have their own "technical" number. Requires network support, obviously. It's a pretty new feature from Nokia-Siemens afaik | 20:48 |
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| uhsf | i don't want network it's too expensive here, just phone | 20:49 |
| ShadowJK | well phone numbers are in the network's domain.. | 20:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall something about app-launcher scrolling | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | is it possible to ditch the --more-- ? | 20:51 |
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| pupnik | yes | 20:53 |
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| penguinbait | ye haw | 20:56 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 21:03 |
| b0unc3 | someone could let me know the best way to check "if connected" from a statusbar plugin ? | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: rather have several 'more', rather called 'games' / 'office' / 'system'... ? | 21:06 |
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| * RST38h moos thoughtfully | 21:09 | |
| pupnik | when do ... lol | 21:09 |
| pupnik | when do we get an iPon with maemo / mer? | 21:09 |
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| LuciusMare | hello, is there any implementation of facebook chat? I mainly use the chat only, and on gprs it does not often even load | 21:11 |
| pupnik | arm cpu, large screen, bighonkinstompin battery, 2 usb ports, 2 SD slots, what else... | 21:11 |
| LuciusMare | wow | 21:11 |
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| LuciusMare | pupnik: sounds good, what are you talking about? | 21:11 |
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| * RST38h does not understand obsession with 2 SD slots | 21:12 | |
| pupnik | a coffeetable tablet running a decent os... | 21:12 |
| RST38h | AmigaOS? | 21:12 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: one for the OS, one for the removable media | 21:12 |
| pupnik | :P | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | pusling: it occurs to me like N810 == N900 == micro-B receptacle, not AB | 21:12 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: wtf? when did N810 == N900? | 21:12 |
| RST38h | why would anyone need to remove the os? | 21:12 |
| luke-jr | I have a N900 then? | 21:13 |
| Scummer | ugh... only one exchange account supported with modest... | 21:13 |
| pusling | DocScrutinizer: no. n810 != n900. | 21:13 |
| pusling | DocScrutinizer: regarding the usb receptacle | 21:13 |
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| Scummer | there is no workaround to get more than one exchange account onto the n900, is there ? | 21:13 |
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| luke-jr | RST38h: upgrade | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm looking at both right this moment, doesn't look like much of a diff | 21:13 |
| RST38h | remove old, install new | 21:13 |
| RST38h | hi mgedmin | 21:13 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: Maemo/Mer can get by with 256 MB SD card for OS; Gentoo needs at minimum 4 | 21:14 |
| luke-jr | 4GB* | 21:14 |
| luke-jr | could be sweet to have 4 MicroSD spots instead ;) | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: removable SD for / means you can upgrade it to 128G | 21:15 |
| SpeedEvil | in a couple of years | 21:15 |
| luke-jr | 3 in parallel for combined speeds (striping), plus an extra for storage | 21:15 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, gentoo could work on much less, it just wasn't anyone goal. | 21:16 |
| tybollt | hmm | 21:16 |
| tybollt | no compass in the 900 right? | 21:16 |
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| bilboed | tybollt, nope | 21:16 |
| SpeedEvil | nope. | 21:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Not by default. | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, but magnet in N900 ;-P | 21:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | It would be a very simple mod to add one - but would invove opening the case | 21:17 |
| SpeedEvil | and voiding warrany of course | 21:17 |
| flux | speedevil, nonsense! some glue should be sufficient. | 21:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean a proper digital compass | 21:18 |
| flux | ooooh.. | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=1967220&k=HMC5843 | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | That wires across the accellerometer and adds a compass | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | glue? just click it to the magnet XP | 21:18 |
| RST38h | luke: Who needs gentoo? | 21:19 |
| slonopotamus | glue? use tape. | 21:19 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: 'default'? :) | 21:19 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, ... who needs maemo? if it wasn't preinstalled, nobody would use because it's crap. | 21:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | tybollt: as it comes from the factory | 21:20 |
| LuciusMare | slonopotamus: not sure about that | 21:20 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: It can have stuff added. Compass - USB host power supply - flamethrower. | 21:21 |
| slonopotamus | LuciusMare, as a distro, it's just broken. | 21:21 |
| tybollt | jaja :P | 21:21 |
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| LuciusMare | well | 21:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Flamethrower is actually just a drawing pin | 21:21 |
| slonopotamus | LuciusMare, as a set of software... you can happily use it on any other distro. | 21:21 |
| keesj | maemo is pretty damm good , I just can't believe it ware written using GTK :P | 21:21 |
| LuciusMare | yes | 21:22 |
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| LuciusMare | flamethrower in n900? | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU - flamethrower | 21:22 |
| LuciusMare | that would be freaking awesome! | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | blah flamethrower :-/ nowadays U use 405nm 500mW laser for that | 21:22 |
| LuciusMare | i would use it as an alarm clock | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Hehe: http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/msis-10-inch-tablet-launching-this-year-at-500-patently-ignor/ | 21:22 |
| LuciusMare | "Its seven am now. Let me woke you up, sir." *BLAM* | 21:23 |
| LuciusMare | *wake | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Adding the flamethrower would also void the warranty. | 21:23 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 21:23 |
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| LuciusMare | then, lets add a n900 to a flamethrower! | 21:23 |
| slonopotamus | LuciusMare, that would void flamethrower warranty? | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare | damn | 21:24 |
| slonopotamus | add them both to tape | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare | or, use arduino to control the flamethrower over ssh - which would be awesome as it is | 21:25 |
| slonopotamus | /etc/init.d/flamed start ? | 21:26 |
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| * ShadowJK isn't sure striping on sd adds speed for OS use | 21:29 | |
| ShadowJK | maybe with btrfs.. | 21:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | It will. | 21:31 |
| SpeedEvil | With the proper FS | 21:31 |
| SplasPood | Hrm, anyone have a one liner that'll find me packages that are non-optified? Out of space again :( | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | what we really need is SD supporting I_DON'T_WANT_THIS_BLOCK_ANYMORE | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Or whatever it's called | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | rm -rf / will find them all! | 21:32 |
| SplasPood | SpeedEvil: ;) | 21:32 |
| SplasPood | SpeedEvil: Re-flashing is a consideration | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | du -x |sort -nk1 | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I would say find / -mount -size +1000k -ls - but ... | 21:33 |
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| Caesium | is there no way to ask dpkg which package a file came from? | 21:34 |
| wazd | ok, some more phantom theme colors | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: why wouldn't it? | 21:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: with ext* or another similar FS - the erase block size increases with the number of cards. | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Performance on random small block write on SD can be as low as a few tens of K a second or lower | 21:37 |
| luke-jr | ...so? | 21:37 |
| SplasPood | Caesium: there is | 21:37 |
| SplasPood | -S|--search <pattern> ... Find package(s) owning file(s). | 21:37 |
| SplasPood | hrm.. the apt pkg lists are stored in | 21:38 |
| SplasPood | / | 21:38 |
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| Caesium | SplasPood: then a simple perl script might be possible to get package names, I'll knock something up, dunno how quick it'll be though :) | 21:38 |
| SplasPood | Caesium: Yea, I can hack somethin up too, was just wonderin if anyone had somethin already | 21:39 |
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| SplasPood | I really wish this problem didn't exist :-/ | 21:39 |
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| SplasPood | hrm yea, moving /var/lib/apt would free 22MB, but everything seems to imply thats kinda a 'bad idea(tm)' | 21:42 |
| LuciusMare | 'bad idea' is trademarked? | 21:43 |
| LuciusMare | By microsoft, i guess? | 21:43 |
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| SplasPood | LuciusMare: old joke/habit :) | 21:45 |
| slonopotamus | old joke/habit (tm)? | 21:45 |
| keesj | ain't it a bit weird to require peope to register before talking to this channel? did we have problems I am not aware off? | 21:45 |
| pupnik | clearly | 21:46 |
| LuciusMare | ^^ | 21:46 |
| pupnik | wb keesj | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | keesj, couple weeks of persistent spambot attacks. :) | 21:46 |
| LuciusMare | What actually prevents spambots from registering? | 21:47 |
| keesj | what kind of spam bots? | 21:47 |
| keesj | what do they do and why don't they like me? | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | they are not spambots | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | LuciusMare, nothing, but it's too much work to register accounts when they get k-lined almost immediately. | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | they are using a web browser to send data to the IRC server dumbly | 21:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | with no response back | 21:48 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, it's spawned by spambots. | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | They spam a link, people who click a link continue the spam. | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | however - it isn't really spambots - as it relies on people clicking links | 21:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | one click - one spam event | 21:49 |
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| keesj | I have not seen a channel on irc that is open source related and that requires such a thing. it feels more like somebody showing off theire power ! | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | keesj, :\ | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | keesj, half the channels on the network are +R. | 21:50 |
| RST38h | evil maemo cabal! | 21:50 |
| RST38h | they own you keesj | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | keesj, if I wanted to show off, I'd just kick you. :) | 21:51 |
| RST38h | kick him thrice with witty comments then ban him! | 21:51 |
| luke-jr | keesj: it's because of a Firefox exploit that FreeNode doesn't care to workaround | 21:51 |
| thresh | evil nokia forbids users to chat here | 21:51 |
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| keesj | GeneralAntilles: no you would treaten me to do so ... :p | 21:52 |
| * RST38h , like the sad (l)user he is, once again attempts to use fennec | 21:52 | |
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| RST38h | "RC3 feels swift and responsive while looking slick." <--- true or false? | 21:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I've never been impressed by XUL GUIs. | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | well, that is given, unfortunately =( | 21:54 |
| RST38h | But maybe the miracled did happen and the rc3 really *is* responsive enough? | 21:55 |
| pronto | for that photo share, how hard would it be to add another button that will do what you want? , like what i want is a button that will scp the image to my own server | 21:55 |
| keesj | I guess I will keep me from loosing time here an do what I really like (programming) | 21:55 |
| RST38h | s/miracled/miracle | 21:55 |
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| SplasPood | pronto: there is a service in the ovistore to add a 'sharing' service for FTP/SCP, if I'm not mistaken | 21:55 |
| pronto | oh really?, i'll go check | 21:56 |
| SplasPood | pronto: yea.. that actually reminds me to give it a try, installed it and promptly forgot | 21:56 |
| pronto | because something like that would be more in tune with most of the n900 users | 21:56 |
| pronto | that are already linux people | 21:56 |
| SplasPood | Well what I want is something that'll automatically send my photos to a given service or services | 21:57 |
| pronto | heh, i just want something to dump photos i want to a dir on my web server | 21:57 |
| SplasPood | sure, I just want it to happen automatically | 21:58 |
| pronto | looks like theres one that uses FTP | 21:59 |
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| pronto | O_o max size 200MB per file, odd | 22:00 |
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| RST38h | Ok. Fennec RC3 crashes on startup. Wonderful. | 22:03 |
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| hcarrega | RST38h lol fail | 22:06 |
| cehteh | it just got a incredible speedup :) | 22:06 |
| fragment | cehteh: the crashing? | 22:06 |
| X-Fade | wazd: did you see I uploaded your theme again? | 22:06 |
| cehteh | the whole session from start to crash | 22:07 |
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| wazd | X-Fade: yeah, thanks a lot! | 22:08 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Theme looks good :) | 22:08 |
| X-Fade | wazd: The only thing that is a bit hard to read is the active url in a browser. | 22:09 |
| wazd | X-Fade: well, it still has some annoying bugs | 22:09 |
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| w00t | X-Fade: i just reported that one to him :-D | 22:10 |
| X-Fade | w00t: And selecting that active url too? :) | 22:11 |
| * RST38h wonders about whether he should answer "where is 3x zoom in MasterGear?!?!?!" | 22:11 | |
| RST38h | None of these guys vote anyway, so who cares... | 22:11 |
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| mece | What's a good size for a small button in a widget? 48px? | 22:12 |
| RST38h | 48 or 32 | 22:13 |
| RST38h | both work ok | 22:13 |
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| mece | 32 is pretty tiny though. I have 32 on my comic widget and that is rather difficult to hit. | 22:13 |
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| mece | I'll try 48 and see if it's more comfy. | 22:13 |
| * RST38h has no problem hitting 32px, considering that hildon usually adds margins | 22:14 | |
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| mece | RST38h, does padding in a hbox register as hittable area? | 22:16 |
| RST38h | it does, at least in toolbar | 22:17 |
| mece | ok. | 22:17 |
| cehteh | i expected there is some even better logic .. if tapped in an area where tapping makes no sense, delegate the tap to the closest widget which can handle it | 22:17 |
| RST38h | toolbar will resize all buttons to be the same size as the biggest icon | 22:17 |
| cehteh | (withing some margins of course) | 22:17 |
| RST38h | cehteh: you suggest trouble. | 22:17 |
| SplasPood | RST38h: yup, same here re RC3 | 22:18 |
| mece | RST38h, I'm using a png though, not a button as such. I don't really know how to make a custom button. | 22:18 |
| cehteh | RST38h: nah i just explain this bit simplified, but with some common sense it can be implemented reliably | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Maemo5 is already a minefield, as far as touch/scroll are concerned | 22:18 |
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| cehteh | yes, that needs some more logic than just dumb acticate closest | 22:19 |
| RST38h | the more complex you make the logic, the less predictable UI becomes | 22:19 |
| cehteh | some pressure sensitivity (well not that much), timeout and stuff would improve it | 22:19 |
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| RST38h | ok, installed fennec rc3 again, from scratch, takes about 40 seconds to startup, hanging most of the time | 22:20 |
| pupnik | moomo | 22:20 |
| Caesium | SplasPood: well, here's my effort: http://bsd.dsl.shagged.org/rootfs_space.pl.txt :) | 22:20 |
| RST38h | Uses Times as default font, it seems :) | 22:20 |
| RST38h | Who was the genius who decided on this one? | 22:20 |
| cehteh | RST38h: it needs to be anticipatory .. of course it must feel predictable and deterministic | 22:20 |
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| SplasPood | Caesium: nice, I'll take a look | 22:21 |
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| RST38h | The task switcher icon in Fennec is pretty much useless: it is unresponsive most of the time you want to click it :) | 22:21 |
| Caesium | takes about 2 mins to run on my phone, might be able to pass more files at once to dpkg -S to speed it up, I used 100 as a safe number | 22:22 |
| Caesium | it seems more efficient to look up more files at once :) | 22:22 |
| RST38h | So is the scrolling | 22:22 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: All humans are different,there is basically no way to make it feel "good" for everyone with some heuristics | 22:24 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Half the users will always be unhappy. | 22:24 |
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| felipec | RST38h: add chocolate, that would make everyone happy :) | 22:25 |
| cehteh | RST38h: well yes .. but a short tap in some area which doesnt accept taps but is close to some widget is almost always meant as click to that widgent | 22:25 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: Your particular suggestion will infuriate people who tend to keep fingers at "empty" screen areas. | 22:26 |
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| cehteh | maybe add a timer like 'only if the user didnt scolled for the past 500ms', not sure about that ... and if its in the middle of 2 or more widgets you need of course some safe area which doesnt produce taps, they must be unambigous | 22:26 |
| RST38h | cehteh: The first complaint will be about the tablet "doing stuff on its own" and "acting up, maybe touchscreen is broken?" | 22:27 |
| cehteh | nah | 22:27 |
| RST38h | cehteh: This will make it "act up" with a half-a-second delay, even sneakier :) | 22:27 |
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| cehteh | for capacitative display and clicking small urls on a browser this is actually a requirement | 22:27 |
| RST38h | Stupid question: how do I zoom in Fennec? | 22:27 |
| cehteh | actually i think at least microb works this way | 22:27 |
| RST38h | (not asking about changing font, I know it is a lost case :() | 22:27 |
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| wiretapped | gpad: http://i.imgur.com/PtGZT.jpg | 22:28 |
| konttori | does anyone know why is it that after I install flv support to gstreamer, media player is still not able to play flv files | 22:28 |
| RST38h | Isn't media player using hardcoded gst path that does not allow inserting extra modules? | 22:28 |
| * konttori is trying if he has better luck with audiosync for h264 flv running 640xsomething | 22:29 | |
| konttori | RST38h: what? | 22:29 |
| wiretapped | that would suck if so | 22:29 |
| wiretapped | wtf | 22:29 |
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| RST38h | konttori: well, it came up when we discussed adding subtitles to the media player | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: double-click | 22:30 |
| RST38h | konttori: apparently, all the needed gst plugins exist, and there is even a package in extras-devel. But you cannot tell media player to use them. | 22:30 |
| RST38h | Ok, disabling javascript in Fennec RC3 actually helps a little | 22:32 |
| RST38h | still three seconds until task switcher comes up | 22:32 |
| konttori | RST38h: what the *ck. | 22:32 |
| RST38h | konttori: yes. the *ck. | 22:33 |
| RST38h | konttori: talk to lardman, he seems to know the bloody details. | 22:33 |
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| konttori | any idea who came up with that genius idea for media player? | 22:33 |
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| RST38h | konttori: Tomaszd is the guy behind flv plugin and other decoder plugins | 22:33 |
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| RST38h | konttori; You should know better :) | 22:34 |
| konttori | also, extra-bad plugins have disappeared from devel | 22:34 |
| mece | oo aa! I guess I could just make buttons with images instead of using eventboxes with images in them. Makes sense. | 22:34 |
| konttori | RST38h: media player development is done in oulu. (yeah, I'm trying to figure out an excuse why I had no clue that we had something so silly implemented) | 22:34 |
| * RST38h wonders if Fennec people ever thought about adding zooming options to Fennec | 22:35 | |
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| RST38h | Because the double tap is nearly useless half the time | 22:35 |
| RST38h | konttori: ab knows a few details, on your side | 22:35 |
| shamus | the has to be a way to get better batery life then this out of the old n800 i have to recharge it daily and thats with it just siting on the home screen | 22:35 |
| mece | RST38h, double tap in MicroB is very very usable. Is fennec different? | 22:36 |
| RST38h | mece: yep | 22:36 |
| mece | RST38h, well bummer. So I guess MicroB is still king. | 22:36 |
| konttori | who is ab? | 22:36 |
| RST38h | mece: Basically, if the element you are tapping on is still large (like a large pane in LiveJournal), tapping it will make tiniest font just a little bit bigger :) | 22:37 |
| konttori | I'll talk to stefan kost or rene about this | 22:37 |
| mece | RST38h, D'oh! | 22:37 |
| cehteh | konttori: is stefan on the maemo team? | 22:37 |
| RST38h | konttori: ah, btw, BT AVRCP is handled by the media player rather than some lower-level code | 22:38 |
| mgedmin900 | heh, for me in microb doubletappping in livejournal zooms out a bit | 22:38 |
| mgedmin900 | which is good - no more horizontal scrolling | 22:38 |
| RST38h | konttori: As result of that, AVRCP does not work unless you hae got the whole media player running (does not work on the applet alone) and cannot be used by other apps | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | konttori, alexander bokovoy, imaging god | 22:39 |
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| RST38h | konttori: Sometime ago you asked about developer / system bugs, this is one of them | 22:39 |
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| RST38h | In theory, it would have to run in background and inject correct key events wherever applicable | 22:40 |
| konttori | RST38h: so, you mean that MAFW is not handling it, as it should? | 22:41 |
| konttori | (AVRCP) | 22:41 |
| konttori | lcuk: I didn't know ab was god also in that front. He's really a terrific guy. | 22:41 |
| konttori | RST38h: well, sounds like that's on the level of carelessness that won't get easily fixed. damn. | 22:42 |
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| RST38h | konttori: afaik it should get injected way below mafw | 22:43 |
| RST38h | konttori: but yes, mafw probably does not handle it either | 22:43 |
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| konttori | wow. So, I have mplayer which cannot keep in sync with h264 flv files and gstreamer, which is not showing video at all for those (even after installing flv codec), and media player that could not use the flv codec in any case. | 22:47 |
| konttori | isn't that nice. | 22:47 |
| konttori | I suppose I'll just continue working on getting the mplayer sync issue solved then. | 22:48 |
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| jebba | konttori i built videolan (vlc) if you're interested in checking that out. Not optified tho | 22:50 |
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| konttori | jebba: great. all neon optimizations in place? | 22:52 |
| jebba | http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/README | 22:52 |
| konttori | jebba: in extras-devel already? | 22:52 |
| jebba | konttori, no i didn't upload it to extras. I could though. The /opt thing was what held me back. | 22:52 |
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| jebba | it breaks all the plugins, of which is basically everythingin vlc | 22:52 |
| konttori | optification breaks those? how come? | 22:53 |
| konttori | can't you just symlink the entire folder? | 22:53 |
| konttori | and opt out from the normal optification | 22:53 |
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| konttori | hmmm... testing now. | 22:54 |
| jebba | konttori, ya i could do manually optification. maemo-optify-deb breaks plugins though (known bug) | 22:54 |
| konttori | yeah, I really recomend doing manual optification always | 22:54 |
| jebba | it was sorta just a "quickei" | 22:54 |
| konttori | the optifier really isn't doing such a super job | 22:54 |
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| jebba | well, i think it does ok when it works. | 22:55 |
| konttori | anyway, i'm really eager to see how vlc runs | 22:55 |
| jebba | i can recompile with -neonfoo etc, i dont think it picked that p. | 22:55 |
| jebba | up | 22:55 |
| jebba | i did that for ffmpeg & others IIRC | 22:55 |
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| jebba | note, this isn't the vlc that (Claude?) the guy from Nokia is doing. | 22:56 |
| jebba | his is way more tweaked for n900, AFAICT. | 22:56 |
| jebba | i'm surprised he doesnt build debs for it yet. | 22:56 |
| jebba | Remi is the person i'm thinking of. | 22:56 |
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| ptl_ | is keepassx already on the extras/extras-devel repositories? | 22:57 |
| RST38h | konttori: There may still be time to make media player pipeline configurable before pr1.2 | 22:57 |
| RST38h | konttori: maybe via gconf value, or some /etc/configfile | 22:58 |
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| konttori | but shouldn't playbin2 just handle the pipelines automagically? | 22:59 |
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| konttori | jebba: I'm getting no route to host from your server | 23:00 |
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| jebba | ./repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/keepassx/keepassx_0.4.1_i386.deb | 23:00 |
| jebba | ./repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/keepassx/keepassx_0.4.1_i386.deb | 23:00 |
| konttori | testing now through 3g and works | 23:01 |
| jebba | http://www.freemoe.org/ to there? from what IP? | 23:01 |
| konttori | seems to work now | 23:01 |
| pupnik | wow look at all of jebba's modules | 23:03 |
| konttori | jebba: vlc-nox and fribidi cannot be installed | 23:04 |
| konttori | pupnik: what's the best setting for mplayer on n900 | 23:05 |
| konttori | I heard you are using it a lot | 23:05 |
| pupnik | i encoded pal to 720x480 with mpeg4 and mplayer is still kind of slow | 23:05 |
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| pupnik | barely handles it | 23:05 |
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| ml-mobile | I had to push down to iPhone level resolution to get smooth playback | 23:06 |
| konttori | so, you use the default player then? | 23:07 |
| pupnik | for video yes, it has more oomph | 23:07 |
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| konttori | xv is the best, vo, pulse the best ao? | 23:07 |
| pupnik | you can get mplayer to skip pulse :) but i rarely bother | 23:07 |
| konttori | how? | 23:08 |
| pupnik | pasuspender and mplayer -ao with the exact device | 23:08 |
| pupnik | lemme look | 23:08 |
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| ml-mobile | nothing I've encoded works in the default player | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | SD is too primitive to do be able to do anything intelligent in response to a TRIM command.. | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | What would be a much biggr boost would be if they could run the same sort of FTL as indilinx and intel do on their SSDs... | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: an alternative would be a simple 'get out of my way' mode. | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: where it merely exposes the NAND array | 23:13 |
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| ShadowJK | But considering they need 64Megs of RAM to do it, we probably wont see it in SD | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | Well that would let you run ubifs... | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: it depends - there are all sorts of possible ways to implemnt TRIM | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 23:13 |
| pupnik | konttori: pasuspender -- mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | but trim doesn't really help with write amplifiction | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: as part of a properly structured FS it does | 23:14 |
| jebba | konttori i was able to install vlc-nox. What error youget? I dont have fribidi installed though | 23:14 |
| jebba | pupnik: if you do -ao alsa, you still get sent thru pulse. | 23:14 |
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| ShadowJK | What would help would be a fake-FTL we could run on top of anything :) | 23:15 |
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| pupnik | i check output of 'top' and see no pulseaudio using cpu, which is what matters 2 me | 23:15 |
| jebba | ah, well, if you turn off pulse, then you're good. ;) | 23:16 |
| jebba | sudo stop pulseaudio <-- turns off pulse as well. | 23:16 |
| jebba | I just wish i could get jack running in realtime mode ;) | 23:16 |
| pupnik | we got a nice update of pulseaudio-utils from someone at nokia on a sunday :D | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | the people who could write are too rich to write code that helps cheap hw though :) | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | (stop pa) what about inbound calls then? | 23:17 |
| pupnik | 'Too Rich To Code' would be a funny t-shirt | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | would there stoll be ringtone? | 23:18 |
| konttori | pupnik: thanks | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | still even | 23:18 |
| jebba | pupnik: ya, the pasuspender does that. I was lagging and didnt see you had done that. | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | logfs can run both on mtd and block :) | 23:18 |
| konttori | jebba: that it's not able to install that (apt-get) | 23:18 |
| jebba | konttori sometimes it lists the conflicts. But again, i dont have fribidi installed. pastebinning might help. You get hte other vlc bits installed? | 23:19 |
| konttori | yeah, everything else but those two. | 23:19 |
| jaw_vvd | hi, in order to run OpenGL ES commands, is there some special setup needed in code? | 23:19 |
| jaw_vvd | (maemo 5) | 23:20 |
| konttori | jebba. ah, depends libavcodec-52 but it's not installable | 23:20 |
| jebba | ah, fwiw, i don't have vlc installed, don't have fribidi installed, but i do have vlc.nox isntalled. konttori then you need maemo-extras enabled too. | 23:21 |
| konttori | and that depends on libspeex | 23:21 |
| konttori | which is not installable | 23:21 |
| konttori | it's not available apparently | 23:21 |
| konttori | need to hit bed now. | 23:21 |
| pupnik | goodnight konttori - cheers | 23:22 |
| jebba | gnite. libspeex is in extras* somewhere ,) | 23:22 |
| jebba | sleep well | 23:22 |
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| * pwnguin demands someone build sipe.sf.net | 23:23 | |
| pwnguin | and i guess integrate it with telepathy =/ | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | i think speex is in some nokia repo.. | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | or atleast it came installed in the VM image SDK | 23:24 |
| pwnguin | i need office communicator specifically =/ | 23:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | speex is | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | at least some repository | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I use it for occasional announcements | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | I only know because I built mplayer and it automatically soaks up eveyr dependency that exists on the build system ;-) | 23:26 |
| jebba | ya, speex is there for sure. | 23:27 |
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| jebba | err | 23:28 |
| jebba | hmm | 23:28 |
| jebba | i think it may not be in extras though, but in the "main" repo. (?) | 23:29 |
| jebba | libspeex1 libspeexdsp1 not in extras, but in some repo | 23:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | tools? | 23:31 |
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| Quibus | after yesterday's problems, I simply reinstalled Scratchbox and all is working again now | 23:35 |
| Quibus | Now I simply want to get some Debian packages uploaded. Is there a guide on what I should change to them, or can I just upload the as they are now? | 23:35 |
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| Stskeeps | speex is in non free, bsd licensed with a properitary nokia patch, hence closed (there is a bug on it) | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | it adds neon acceleration to speex | 23:37 |
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| Stskeeps | you installed your own sauna? | 23:38 |
| wolf^ | what's the best way to access "framebuffer" on n900? | 23:39 |
| wolf^ | ie. have pointer to video memory associated with full screen window | 23:39 |
| Aquarina | hi | 23:39 |
| wolf^ | assuming I don't wan't to use SDL | 23:39 |
| wolf^ | is gtk worth exploring, or should I use raw X11 api? | 23:40 |
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| wazd | can you hear me now?) | 23:40 |
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| jX | speaking of hear me now, anyone else had issues with the ear speaker cutting in and out? | 23:41 |
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| jebba | Quibus: which debian packages? | 23:42 |
| Quibus | jebba: openmsx and deps cbios and pasmo | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: moo | 23:44 |
| jebba | i'm rebuilding etch right now, but i'm only at g* | 23:44 |
| ptl | maemo should support LEAP :-/' | 23:44 |
| wazd | Stskeeps, heya | 23:45 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba, any luck with obs? | 23:45 |
| shamus | are there any flac players for maemo? | 23:45 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: i got opensuse + obs installed, but haven't taken it any further. I gave lbt an account, but i think he just poked around but didnt set up anything | 23:46 |
| pwnguin | shamus: pretty sure there's a flac codec in extras | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazd: ~ping | 23:46 |
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| wazd | anyone knows if maemo team has found UI designer they were looking for recently? | 23:46 |
| jebba | ya, flac is in extras. | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazd: is a useful cmd ;-) | 23:46 |
| shamus | is the n800 powerfull emnugth? | 23:46 |
| pwnguin | shamus: so you'd just install that and the media player should handle it fine | 23:46 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: initial impressions? | 23:47 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer, not if channel has +R ) | 23:47 |
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| pusling | hmm... how should I ask via dbus if there is a connection to the internet ? | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wazd: exactly *when* you want to know if anybody (e.g. apt) can hear you | 23:47 |
| pwnguin | ptl: maemo should support my employer's cisco captive gateway | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazd: on a +R chan | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 23:48 |
| infobot | ~pong | 23:48 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer, hmmm | 23:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps, I've uploaded new Marina btw | 23:49 |
| shamus | withjch repository? | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: yeah saw, cool | 23:49 |
| wazd | devel | 23:49 |
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| pwnguin | oh thats annoying. is there no way to block IMs from people not on your buddy list? | 23:50 |
| shamus | ahh have not enabled thatone yet i dont thunk | 23:50 |
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| ptl | pwnguin: does it have anything to do with LEAP? | 23:50 |
| pwnguin | ptl: i doubt it. its a webpage that you get redirected to and put AD credentials into | 23:51 |
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| anpr | hey, maybe i will ask a pop question but i still can not find bright answer to it | 23:52 |
| ptl | and then your network connection goes ok, isn't it? Doesn't it work with maemo? | 23:52 |
| anpr | is nokia thinking to update ovi maps to free on maemo 5? | 23:52 |
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| pwnguin | ptl: its annoying to type in, espec since you have to authenticate before VOIP / email / IM / apt-get work | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder when that friggin "usb charger not recognized" annoyance will get fixed | 23:53 |
| ptl | ok, but it should be trivial to write a script for that using WWW::Mechanize or something | 23:53 |
| pwnguin | ptl: i agree, just havent done it yet. i gather LEAP is much harder | 23:54 |
| anpr | guys ? :) | 23:54 |
| ptl | definitely | 23:54 |
| Aquarina | what's the default pass for root on maemo (n810)? wasn't it rootme? | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it just asked me "mass storage or nokiasuite?" on removal(!!!) of charger plug, after another time not noticing the plugin (as it does 90% of the times) | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anpr: nokia devels newsletter of 1h ago mentioned new ovimaps with guidance. Seems they want it for maemo as well, afaikt from what they wrote | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | afaict | 23:58 |
| anpr | DocScrutinizer does that word maemo meens n900 ? | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo5(TM) probably means n900 | 23:58 |
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| anpr | yeah, probably | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | though they haven't mentioned maemo explicitly iirc | 23:59 |
| anpr | any dates mentioned ? | 23:59 |
| pusling | I heard rumors that maemo6 might run on n900, but also rumers that it might not run on n900. | 23:59 |
| * w00t glazes over | 23:59 | |
| anpr | pusling probably rubish | 23:59 |
| anpr | i would think that maemo 6 come with new device | 23:59 |
| anpr | for market reasons | 23:59 |
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