IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-01-28

javispedroit even has Apple Games.00:00
villagerGoliath23: what's the log this time?00:00
redheya, i did a tracker-proceses --hard-reset00:00
Goliath23villager: same00:00
StskeepsRST38h: just like real men!00:00
redStarting Tracker...Initializing trackerd...00:00
redWriting default configuration to file:'/root/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg'00:00
redSegmentation fault failed!00:00
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javispedroRST38h: what do you expect. only pirates use multitasking!!00:00
villagerGoliath23: in the html?00:00
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redanyone know why it errors?00:00
Goliath23villager: yes00:00
redwas with root access00:00
Goliath23villager: wait, uploading the new one.00:00
RST38hmoo woglinde00:00
w00tStskeeps: who needs multitasking, eh?00:01
RST38hjavis: But.... how....?00:01
ifreqipad is based on itouch/iphone OS.. so no news00:01
RST38hI mean... it is not a phone any more...00:01
slonopotamusmoo? it's 1am.00:01
ifreqtho it gets multitaskin on 4.0 version prob..00:01
RST38hslonopotamus: yes. and I am jumping over the moon.00:01
Goliath23villager:  new log is up...00:01
RST38hanyways, gotta go.00:02
Goliath23villager: config entry reads: type = calendar:text/x-vcalendar!00:02
chxlol, even the iPad has no multitasking? are you sure?00:02
shamusappile is at it again?00:02
w00tchx: yes.00:02
chxwasnt the news that it has some bad ass , probably multicore Cortex A9 based CPU?00:02
villagerGoliath23: ok, well, I have no idea what to do about this text/x-s4j-sife thing in the log, then00:02
javispedrochx: instead of that it has some bad ass totally unknown CPU.00:03
chxanyways, back to the original question, can you use an N900 to be the 3G modem for an N810?00:03
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chxjavispedro: oh.00:03
Goliath23villager: okay.  search a bit on google and contact the horde guys maybe tomorrow00:03
lardmannight all!00:03
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javispedronite lardman00:03
shamusnot sure why not chx00:03
RevAaronI've an N800 I'm trying to ressurect. It doesn't boot, just sticks at the NOKIA splash screen. Died 8 months after I got it. I can't reflash, either. Didn't happen after a flash, just out of the blue. Ideas?00:03
StskeepsRevAaron: did you have chinook or diablo on it?00:04
chxshamus: OH00:04
chxshamus: that would be some awesome.00:04
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RevAaronStskeeps: I'm not sure, truth be told. I don't believe I did but I'm not totally sure.00:04
StskeepsRevAaron: right. are you able to charge the battery in another phone?00:05
Stskeepsor device00:05
RevAaronStskeeps: well, no. but I don't think it's a matter of charging. It will sit in this boot/fail/reboot loop for hours.00:05
StskeepsRevAaron: trust me, this is a battery issue00:06
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Stskeepsi had a n800 that did same00:06
RevAaronStskeeps: ah, ok. but nope, no other device.00:06
shamusi found that to get my n800 to flash oi need to use the usb ports on the back of my computer00:06
StskeepsRevAaron: hmm00:06
javispedro"SHIPPING IN LATE MARCH?"00:07
javispedrono way. I want my iPad now!00:07
VDVsxOMG OMG only in March ????00:07
javispedroLATE march!!00:07
VDVsxoh no00:07
RevAaronshamus: i've tried that. I've flashed it without issue before, I just can't now.00:07
shamusnot sure then00:07
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StskeepsRevAaron: my way was to charge it with another n800 :P00:08
ShadowJKIf the battery is crap, a lower power charger can work too.00:09
RevAaronStskeeps: is it that it isn't charged? if it can sit in a reboot cycle for an hour would that not be the case? I could try that again to make sure I'm not confused.00:09
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ShadowJKbme bugs are curious :)00:09
javispedrosome Nokia shops will charge batteries00:09
StskeepsRevAaron: basically chinook had a bug in that regard00:09
RevAaronShadowJK: what kind of low power charger? that is, voltage or amperage? i may have a universal charger around to try.00:09
cehtehlate march? .. my n900? :)00:10
Damion2if I edit /etc/event.d/xomap to add +accessx to the dsmetool line, what are the chances I'm going to need to reflash?00:10
belsatsarjust buy a universal charger00:10
ShadowJKwell both really00:10
shamushum ipad == iphone with same limitations just a biger screen00:10
RevAaronStskeeps: looking at screenshots, i'm pretty sure I did upgrade to diablo00:11
chxAnyone here tried N900 on Wind Mobile?00:11
Damion2is there some sort of drop to workable console shell to repare stuff like this?00:11
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RevAaronShadowJK: but what kind of V/A should I be looking for?00:11
ShadowJKbme in diablo still atleast has a "bug" making it unable to charge batteries that have degraded alot n performance. Basically it panics when voltage becomes dangerously high, aborts, at which point device reboots. A lower power charger wont raise the voltage as much00:11
RevAaronShadowJK: gotcha.00:12
ShadowJKOh in my case 200-300mA worked00:12
RevAaronShadikka: ah, ok.00:12
ShadowJKwhere the included 800mA failed00:12
* RevAaron nods00:12
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RevAaronShadikka: worer00:13
ShadowJKbut of course it might not be the battery at fault anyway00:13
RevAarontabdeath entirely00:13
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ShadowJKor power related issues00:13
shamuswhen in doubt check the batteries / charger00:14
RevAaronShadowJK: well, maybe I could harass you or Stskeeps into popping one of your own batteries on it. if i can't get it to work, it isn't worth much to me. which may invite theft, but not sure where else I can go.00:14
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ShadowJKI guess you don't have a voltmeter/digital multimeter type thing?00:15
RevAaronShadowJK: yup, i have a multimeter00:15
ShadowJKoh cool, do you know how to use it?00:15
redafound a pretty odd bug in N900 and no idea how to replicate it.. my tracker caches were kaput and my .camera folder under MyDocs had completely disappeared -- and mind you I haven't plugged the phone into my PC for like a week now so I couldn't have cut and pasted it or anything00:15
redcouldnt even restart the tracker until i manually created the .camera dir00:16
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ShadowJKred cable in Vma hole, black in com. NOT in "10adc" hole. Dial set to DCV 20V. test leads on the towo outer pins on the battery.00:18
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Damion2red: my trackerd started to fail and I found corrupt cache .db files in .cache/tracker00:18
redDamion2: alright. mine couldnt run at all, just log full off errors00:19
RevAaronShadowJK: i'll take a look when I get home.00:19
redthen i destroyed them all by hard-reset00:19
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Damion2I noticed issues in syslog shortly after dumping a several 100meg tar and then extracting00:19
redbut it still wouldnt run, and then it errored about no camera dir00:19
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ShadowJKover 3.7V is good, less than 3.6V is empty. 3.2 is really empty. 2.5 is dangerously empty :)00:19
redmmm, i did receive some big zips00:19
Damion2I suspected too much %age of disk io on the mmc upset that daemon00:19
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redand actually extracted one of them too00:20
RevAaronShadowJK: so, if my N800 is affected by this bug, you'd expect something than 3.6, ja?00:20
RevAaronShadowJK: and, should I see this problem when the device is on battery only or just when the power is pluggd in?00:20
Damion2the tracker might have some sort of timeout and coupled with a massive tree of new files might have done it00:20
ShadowJKjust when power is plugged in00:21
belsatsarcontender for best pic taken with N900:
RevAaronShadowJK: so, when the device boots on just battery it should work?00:21
ShadowJKif there's sufficient power in the battery, yeah00:22
tybolltso who00:22
tybollts working on putting / on sd?00:22
ShadowJKit's kinda hard to tell the difference and say WHY the device reboots or shuts down, though...00:22
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RevAaroni just mean that it would help rule this problem out or not00:23
ShadowJKultimately the only way is to replace suspected components until flaw is found00:23
RevAaroni'd love to find out it was just this, but i'm doubtful from what i remember the pattern being... that said, i've not looked at it for a while, and I'm hoping I"m remembering incorrectly.00:23
ShadowJKwell definitely if it boots into desktop on battery, and then reboots when you connect power, I would suspect the battery00:24
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ShadowJKit could just as easily be a software issue that would be fixed with reflashing too00:24
lantiziaHey, any reason why cover.jpg files never ever get read?00:24
RevAaronShadowJK: but that's the thing- i don't seem to be able to get to the point of reflashing.00:24
RevAaronShadowJK: still engadges in its deathloop00:25
lantiziaI can't put the album art in to the media files as the maemo MP doesn't understand them in Ogg files either00:25
ShadowJKah right00:25
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ShadowJKSo you wouldn't happen to have a Lab Powersupply too..00:26
embeddedHi all00:26
Damion2info embedded00:26
Damion2I mean hi embedded00:26
RevAaronShadowJK: not one that works. :/00:27
ShadowJKaw :/00:27
RevAaronShadowJK: i do have voltage regulators, a few adjustable ones as well as 3.3V and 5V00:27
ShadowJKvoltage regs can't be abused for  battery charging :(00:28
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ShadowJKvoltage regs and liion batteries can be abused to create explosives, however :)00:28
RevAaroni'll avoid that for now00:29
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embeddedIs there someone who have had the following issue with Esbox installed on Ubuntu 9.10 ? : Mouse clicks seem to don't get any effect on some Esbox buttons (i.e. in the new Maemo Project window)00:29
embeddedin such cases I have to use the keys shortcuts to proceed :P00:30
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embeddedno, native installation00:31
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tybolltfunny you know...00:32
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tybolltI have a 3.5" N900 that multitasks like a champ00:32
tybolltapple today launched the ipad - a full on latop/netbook:ish thing ... that lacks multitasking :-)00:33
ShadowJKand no flash00:33
ShadowJKwill be interesting to see how that goes00:33
shamusthus is useless00:33
embeddedhey guys, no one that experimented this Esbox issue before???00:33
tybolltit has jobs blessing00:33
tybolltso the iPeople will of course get them :)00:34
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derfApple has been selling things that don't support multitasking since the 80's.00:35
embeddedno solution for that?00:35
derfI mean, I still remember the ability to run more than one program at a time being introduced as a big, new feature in whatever version of MacOS from way back when.00:36
tybolltderf: :D00:36
derfAnd my Apple IIGS never supported it.00:36
thomazwhat package should i be looking for to convert audio files in maemo 5?00:37
tybolltfor a long time, up until mac os x went unix (IIRC) it was merely task switching and not preemptively multitasking00:37
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RevAaronthe IIgs supported multitasking, at least in GSOS. that said, DOS never supported multitasking.00:38
tybolltthomaz: ffmpeg of course00:38
RevAarontybollt: like Windows 9x, yeah00:38
thomaztybollt, thanks00:38
tybolltRevAaron: cactly00:38
belsatsari still have an original copy of doubledos on 5.25" disk with packaging00:38
belsatsardubious collector's item00:38
tybolltthomaz: though why on earth you want to do that on such a low power device is beyond me00:38
kynkymac os x stole bsd with a promise that they broke afaik (promise in relation to opendarwin)00:38
RevAaronI sold a compy of WIndows 1.03 on eBay back in 1999, when i was a freshman in college. sold it for $150, so i was happy. :)00:39
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thomaztybollt, just want to convert audio recorded on it00:39
javispedroRevAaron: 95 has preemptive multitasking (as long as you don't do 16 bits stuff)00:39
tybolltthomaz: ffmpeg is you friend00:39
thomaztybollt, awesome... i will actually do it on my laptop, but good to know that i can do it on the phone00:39
tybolltthomaz: I'd use ffmpeg on the laptop too00:40
RevAaronjavispedro: or deal with I/O, which unfortunately dampers things a bit00:40
thomaztybollt, thanks :)00:41
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ali1234$14.99 for 250GB of 3G is ... interesting00:51
zashali1234: GB?00:52
zashali1234: isn't it MB00:52
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belsatsar  ice, and light00:52
ali1234maybe this is a mistake00:52
zash(if it's the tablet thingy)00:52
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ali1234but 250MB would be too little00:52
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ali1234i get 2GB for £500:53
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RevAaronit's 250 MB00:53
ali1234i see00:53
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ali1234cnn has a mistake then :)00:53
RevAaronbig surprise!00:54
ali1234even by ADSL has a 60GB limit00:54
glass_your adsl seriously sucks00:54
ali1234yeah i know, and it's one of the highest limits in the country too00:54
ali1234BT recently had a press release news story about their new 40mbit cable, which will have a 20GB monthly cap00:55
ali1234i mean ADSL, BT don't do cable00:55
RevAaronwhy bother having 40 mbit cable?00:56
RevAaronif you have a 20 GB cap?!00:56
RevAaronthat's only a few solaris dvds!00:56
ali1234well why bother having 40 mbit anything if you can only use it 1.2 hours per month?00:56
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Caesiumthe other half of the story of course is there is an unmetered product too.00:56
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RevAaroni like the no contract bit, that's for sure00:57
glass_ali1234: so that your limit gets faster used if you get flooded(point of having 40mbit on capped)00:57
Caesiumgiven the price differences I'm not quite sure why anyone would go for the 20GB limited one00:57
ali1234that's unlimited**** not unlimited00:57
Caesiumyeah :)00:57
Caesium4 *s lol :D00:57
Caesiumso much smallprint these days00:58
frals<3 sweden, 100mbit unlimited for 20€ a month00:58
ali1234also, most phone lines can;t even support ADSL2+ let alone this new thing00:58
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Caesiumwhat technology does this use, VDSL?00:59
RevAaronmain, i should live in scandanavia00:59
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ali1234if you look at BT wholesale ADSL prices, no UK BT-reseller ISP can offer more than about 1GB per £10 before users start contending for bandwidth01:01
belsatsar"Swedish Government Promises Citizens 100MB Broadband"01:01
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tybolltfrals: and today most employers pay for it anyway :)01:01
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Arkenoidroid guys say it is safe to run a8 at 800MHz01:05
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Arkenoinot crashing and not damaging for sure too01:06
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ali1234surely that depends on the heatsink?01:06
Arkenoiyes but i doubt droid has better one given it stock frequency is lower01:06
javispedro"a8" is not a physical thing01:07
ali1234that too01:07
tybolltso who has the overclocking app?01:07
ali1234also, there is no "stock frequency", it scales automatically01:07
cehtehhow much power will that draw?01:07
cehtehtwice as much?01:08
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DrHouseMDAnyone know what I would need to do to route incall audio out over the /dev/radio1 device?01:08
tybolltI'll buy a new phone in half a year anyhow01:08
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Arkenoii doubt there will be another maemo phone with keyboard in 201001:10
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Arkenoii want clamshell but i doubt i will ever see it01:10
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Damion2they may never do another keyboard device and completely copy apple from now on01:16
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Damion2or they might release a maemo with drivers for the n97 and let ppl flash that direction01:18
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Arkenoiquite strange: i cannot select russian keyboard layout while trying to post a comment in google reader. other web forms work ok. what can be the reason?01:19
timeless_mbpgoogle reader is ajax01:20
timeless_mbpwhich means that key handling is 'special'01:20
timeless_mbpmost forms are just browser owned textareas01:20
woglindehm seems ipad uses the same ti chip family for gsm/gps01:20
woglindeas n90001:20
ScribbleJIs it something I did wrong that's getting me 'size mistmatch' for various packages in extras-devel, or is that par for the course?01:20
timeless_mbpdata:text/html,<iframe contenteditable=1>01:20
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timeless_mbpScribbleJ: par01:21
timeless_mbpour repos corrupt themselves periodically01:21
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timeless_mbpit adds to the excitement01:21
ScribbleJHow long does it usually go before fixing?01:21
timeless_mbpsomething like 10mins iirc01:21
timeless_mbpbut it could corrupt itself then01:21
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timeless_mbpit's fun :)01:21
ph1lFor your information: Auditing Support (CONFIG_AUDIT) doesn't seem to work on arm...01:21
ScribbleJOK, this is different, it's been going on for about 24 hours now for me.01:21
ScribbleJAre you /sure/ it's not my fault?01:22
timeless_mbpScribbleJ: so01:22
ScribbleJHere's an example: Failed to fetch  Size mismatch01:22
timeless_mbpdebian repositories work like this01:22
timeless_mbpthere's a Packages file01:22
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timeless_mbpwhich has meta data including package name, package path, package size01:22
timeless_mbpthen there's the actual file, which obviously has a path and size01:23
timeless_mbp(and internally a name)01:23
PaulAnagramahi. where, in what directory are the desktop webshortcuts kept?01:23
timeless_mbpif the size in Packages doesn't match the size in the file system of the repository, then there's obviously a problem01:23
lantiziaCan I uninstall the media player on the N900 due to it being a piece of *hit and put something else on01:23
timeless_mbpPaulAnagrama: /var/lib/gconf/something01:23
timeless_mbpPaulAnagrama: "Use Tweakr"01:23
lantiziaI've spent -YET ANOTHER- full evening digging through forums trying to out why album art isn't showing up01:24
ScribbleJRight... but I moved the /var/lib/apt/lists to /home/apt/lists and symlinked it because the devel-extras packages file is 15MB01:24
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wiretappedtimeless_mbp: where are web passwords stored?01:24
timeless_mbplantizia: uninstalling nokia core software will make upgrading to another version painful01:24
ScribbleJBut I suppose this is not the error I would get if that was a problem.01:24
timeless_mbpwiretapped: in a database, just install the microb extension that lets you view them01:24
timeless_mbpit's in extras iirc01:24
wiretappedcan you point me to where the db is?01:24
wiretappedsqlite hopefully?01:24
timeless_mbpwiretapped: they're standard gecko01:25
timeless_mbpwhat are you trying to do?01:25
wiretappedjust change a saved password01:25
wiretappedalso see which i've saved01:25
lantiziatimeless, it's daft how everything is just under the "maemo" package when you first yet it01:25
timeless_mbpwiretapped: install the addon instead01:25
ali1234lantizia: that's how it stays too01:25
timeless_mbplantizia: not true!01:25
wiretappedcould use the extension, but if it is just a sqlite db...01:25
timeless_mbpthe tutorial is *not* under it :)01:25
ali1234yeah, the crappy adware is not under it either thankfully01:26
timeless_mbpwiretapped: microb-engine-common-ext01:26
timeless_mbpwiretapped: please share the joy w/ your friends01:26
timeless_mbpali1234: indeed01:27
timeless_mbpthey did something almost right :)01:27
timeless_mbpfwiw, apt mostly sucks for this01:27
timeless_mbpIPS is much better01:27
Damion2if I turn on sticky keys it makes ctrl sticky but turns off shift :(01:27
belsatsarAngry Ticks fly out of my nipples.01:27
timeless_mbpOpenSolaris's solution to packaging01:28
ali1234well, i never had ubuntu refuse to install updates because i installed custom packages01:28
ScribbleJIs there a commandline repo browser like aptitude for the N900?01:28
ali1234not even on dist-upgrade, which seems to basically be the only kind of upgrade nokia does01:28
timeless_mbpali1234: you've never installed interesting packages :)01:28
ali1234on the contrary, i install "interesting" packages all the time01:28
timeless_mbpali1234: i've had fun doing upgrades e.g. Corel Linux => Debian01:28
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timeless_mbpali1234: well, you obviously haven't had things which pin "not greater than"01:29
belsatsaruse the grep luke01:29
timeless_mbpi'm pretty sure i've had apps which had such01:29
ali1234i haven't had to deal with stuff like that since i quit using gentoo :)01:29
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ali1234but the main reason i don't have this problem is because ubuntu has a sensible package manager that will install what upgrades it can, and then tell you *why* it couldn't install the others01:30
belsatsaryeah some work has gone into sensible feedback in ubuntu01:31
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PaulAnagramatimeless_mbp, thanks for telling me about Tweakr. I see that with Tweakr I can edit the title of the shortcuts, what I need is to edit the address. I need to add the shortcut to: ""01:31
belsatsar"So Pandora is going to be a retro-console in more than one sense."  hehehe01:32
timeless_mbpPaulAnagrama: well01:33
timeless_mbpi'd suggest you just delete it and add a new one from browser01:33
timeless_mbpbut the right answer is that it lives in gconf01:33
timeless_mbpwhich is only "sorta" in the file system01:33
timeless_mbpyou shouldn't officially poke the file system directly01:33
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PaulAnagramadoesnt work, if I go to that address in browser, the browser will open: "" not ""01:34
javispedrodoes the searchid change every time?01:34
belsatsarahahaha "The problem lies in at the rate at which the Chinese drive. It takes them forever to just get to the factory. They should just live there like slaves"01:34
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timeless_mbpPaulAnagrama: open browser bookmarks01:34
timeless_mbpcreate / edit a bookmark until it's how you like it01:35
timeless_mbpthen go to the desktop01:35
timeless_mbptap the title area01:35
timeless_mbptap the title area until you get a menu01:35
timeless_mbptap add bookmark01:35
timeless_mbpgrab the thing from there01:35
PaulAnagramatimeless_mbp: ahh, yeah, I understand what you mean, good one01:35
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PaulAnagramatimeless_mbp: yeap, that worked! thanks again.01:38
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wiretappedtimeless_mbp: is there a way to make microb use a saved password without prompting?01:39
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timeless_mbpwiretapped: so...01:40
timeless_mbpthat's a security risk01:40
timeless_mbproughly "we shouldn't let you, because it'll let web sites steal your credentials when they're hacked"01:41
wiretappedbut for just this one url, i really want it to :/01:41
timeless_mbpso, i hope you'll accept that answer01:41
* timeless_mbp goes back to filing bugs01:41
* timeless_mbp slaps safari01:41
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apoiHi!  Is there a terminal emulator for n900/Maemo5 which supports different encodings (ISO-8859-1)?02:04
belsatsar  maybe02:07
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apoibelsatsar: Looks like it's for OS2008.02:11
KegetysI think there's a gconf entry for the encoding of the default xterm but I'm not sure02:11
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apoiKegetys: Thank you, I'll look into that.02:13
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meceI really feel for the apple fanboys today. Poor thing is getting ridiculed on twitter.02:19
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apoiKegetys: It worked!  Thanks a lot!02:23
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povbotBug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth02:27
ScribbleJAm I going to bork anything if I set a password on user?02:27
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ScribbleJAm I going to bork anything if I unset the passwd on root?02:28
mtnbkrScribbleJ: security?02:28
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ScribbleJWell, yes and no.02:28
ScribbleJYou're right that I just don't feel comfortable with it security wise, but another motivation is to see if I can get something like x2x or other X11 over ssh stuff to work.02:28
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uhsfUPS tried to bring me my N900 today but I wasn't home. Their "next attempt" is only next tuesday so I have to wait another week. My perpetual bad luck charm is still going strong.02:29
javispedroactually, your bad luck only starts when you receive the n900.02:30
ml-mobilea whole week to wait for UPS to try again?02:30
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KMFDMUPS's service is horrible02:31
uhsfyes they're very bad02:31
KMFDMtheir international service is even worse02:32
KMFDMand if you call support02:32
ml-mobilecan't you go by and pick it up?02:32
KMFDMyou get sent to india02:32
uhsfI was out only one full day this week and it was today and they had to come today.02:32
uhsfI don't have car and it's more convenient to just wait anyway.02:33
ml-mobilebut still, I've always had UPS try again the next day.02:33
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belsatsarpeople take beautiful pictures.   there is no need for 'artists' any more02:39
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JaffaYay, first issue of Maemo Weekly News is receiving submissions:
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JaffaContributors who regularly keep an eye on particular places (Bugzilla, Talk, IRC) still welcome:
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Crash2108Can I take any Ubuntu source and compile it on Maemo?02:54
timeless_mbpnot if it requires something that doesn't exist in maemo02:55
Crash2108.join #reddit02:55
timeless_mbplike a Pentium CPU02:55
belsatsaruseful links Jaffa02:55
Crash2108Don't you hate when that happens?  It's like getting caught masturbating.02:56
Crash2108How would I know?02:56
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Crash2108I'm trying to decide between a Droid and an n900.02:56
Crash2108I already have a netbook.02:57
lcukwell the n900 wont push you down stairs in the middle o the night02:57
Crash2108And Droid seems more well-polished in general.02:57
hardakernearly everything that compiles for ubuntu will compile for n900.  But, you'd have to get any pre-reqs compiled as well if they didn't exist.  And, obviously, some linux apps assume a much bigger screen size than 800x480.02:57
timeless_mbpCrash2108: roughly02:58
timeless_mbpin general an ubuntu package which isn't incredibly non portable can be ported to maemo02:58
timeless_mbpand might requrie very little effort02:58
infobottimeless_mbp meant: and might require very little effort02:58
timeless_mbpbut there will be a couple of packages which won't be portable02:58
Crash2108Viking GPS say.02:58
Crash2108Does the GPS data come in like a serial stream like on any other computer?02:59
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cehtehdbus iirc02:59
hardakerI've found one sound library that doesn't work when i recompiled it for the n900...  but that's likely an issue with alsa/pulseaudio issues.02:59
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timeless_mbpCrash2108: the problem with serial streams02:59
timeless_mbpis that you can't share them02:59
timeless_mbpso the short answer is "yes"02:59
belsatsar   <<< the iPad (sfw)02:59
timeless_mbpthe longer answer is "there's an api wrapping it so that apps can share"03:00
ShadowJKand so that the gps doesn't run needlessly03:00
timeless_mbpand i think there's a repeater api which lets clients that want the serial api to survive03:00
ShadowJKgpsd? :)03:00
jebbadang on a new n900 i have the usb port is a bit foo so no charging :(03:01
uhsfif you buy droid you fail, you might as well buy windows while you're at it03:01
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uhsfgoogle is more and more fail lately03:01
Crash2108Are there any decent games for maemo?03:02
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Crash2108Application support in general?03:02
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ali1234do you like snes games?03:03
jebbaburgerspace! best ;)03:03
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hardakerCrash2108: doom, open transport tycoon, quake arena, burger space, angry birds (rocks!)03:03
hardakerthe android will have more though.03:03
ali1234someone ported duke nukem too but fps games don't work very well on this form factor03:04
hardakerno, they give me hand cramps.03:04
ali1234oh yeah and if you install q3a you get a broken egl library that prevents you from installing nokia updates without wiping and reflashing03:05
ali1234or so i'm told03:05
SpeedEviltimeless: gpsd has beenaround for some time for sharing nmea - but...03:05
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: shrug03:05
SpeedEvilCrash2108: the device is not a serial GPS - it's connectedto the phone module - but you probably don't care about that03:06
Crash2108Serial line with AT commands?03:06
belsatsar  a new game possible with computers and cameras - flag to ali1234, lardman|gone03:06
SpeedEvilnot for the GPS - no03:06
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cehtehCrash2108: there is an API how you query the gps anything beyond that is opaque03:07
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Crash2108Can one compile anything to Android just the same?03:08
ml-mobileandroid has its own GUI layer only open to Dalvik apps03:09
cehtehandroid is a platform on its own .. with its very special java runtime and apis03:09
ali1234all of which are completely open btw03:11
ali1234belsatsar: that cube game is a neat hack, but it doesn't look like a particularly fun game...03:12
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Crash2108But there's more applications available for Android by default than Maemo, right?03:13
belsatsarsuch things are important marketing bling imo... AR...   this guy should get free chocolate for life03:14
Crash2108I'm trying to weigh the possiblity of compiling anything with default support.03:14
SpeedEvilCrash2108: with maemo 5 - you can - pretty much port 'easily' GTK applications that have a sane UI for fingers.03:15
Crash2108Those augmented reality symbols kind of suck.  Not good tracking at all.03:15
SpeedEvilmamem 5 is - basically - a 2000 desktop linux system in your pocket.03:15
ali1234they're much much better than the compass + gps method03:15
SpeedEvilFor augmented GPS - there is no compass.03:15
ali1234even if there *was* a compass i mean03:16
belsatsari find the keyboard truly usable for texting and light shell stuff03:16
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cpscottiSpeedEvil: about the description.. that's exactly what I think.. and what I love.. But I think we could move it up to 2005..03:17
SpeedEvilbelsatsar: I've spent perhaps 3-4 hours with it. I was very surprised when I tried typing a few lines blid.03:17
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cpscottiif you think in ways of compatibility03:17
cpscottiand all..03:17
SpeedEvilcpscotti: I mean CPU class.03:17
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SpeedEviland speed of general stuff.03:17
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cpscottiI see..03:17
belsatsarSpeedEvil: you only spent a few hours with n900?03:18
SpeedEvilcompatibility - yes - it's got dbus and stuff and inmany ways isn't very 2000ish03:18
SpeedEvilbelsatsar: using the keyboard, yes.03:18
ali1234i was still using a computer from 2000 last year03:18
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SpeedEvilbelsatsar: I tend to do my logged in-to-the n900 on a proper keyboard over wifi+ssh03:18
cpscottianyway.. it really is like a dream for anyone that loves linux03:18
javispedroI was still using a computer from 1998 yesterday (and I plan to keep using it tomorrow) and its faster than the n900.03:18
belsatsarbtw synergy is quite nice but there must be some way to activate X pointer on n90003:19
javispedrothough to be fair it has more RAM and doesn't do fancy graphics.03:19
SpeedEvilI was comparing my _OLD_ laptop to the Ipad thing.03:19
SpeedEvilIf I was buying new now - I'd buy on the features of the old laptop.03:19
cehtehbelsatsar: x2x is nicer03:19
ali1234the only thing 2000ish about the n900 is the awkward package management03:20
belsatsarwow i got a cursor in browser....automatically03:20
SpeedEvil~A4 footprint - 1.1Kg, 8h battery life, nice metal case, 100G storage.03:20
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SpeedEvilali1234: It's there to make slackware users at home03:20
ali1234it's like 10 years of apt development never happened03:20
SpeedEvilNice keyboard, trackpoint, ...03:20
ali1234SpeedEvil: funny cos i was using slackware in 2000 :)03:20
javispedroali1234: h-a-m is open source.03:20
SpeedEvilali1234: s/2000/2010/03:21
ali1234javispedro: do you think nokia would accept my patches?03:21
javispedroali1234: yes.03:21
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SpeedEvilFor some aspects.03:21
SpeedEvilI'd love to see a 'rate this app' - which went to the app-rating page for example03:22
javispedroif you make it a synaptic clone they're just going to forward them to /dev/null03:22
SpeedEvilIn a moderately flexible way - and let the user send comments03:22
javispedrobut anything else -- its been actually requested some times.03:22
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SpeedEvilI suspect that sort of feature might be doable.03:23
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SpeedEvilAs in - might get in.03:23
javispedroThat's what I think too.03:23
SpeedEvilBut something that encourages dumb users to mess with stuff - wouldn't.03:23
ali1234unfortunately the problems with package management mostly aren't down to HAM, they're mostly down to the nokia spec for packaging03:23
ali1234like the way you have to set an explicit dependency to upgrade libraries03:24
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javispedrothat's ham.03:24
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ali1234or like the way they roll all updates up into a huge metapackage that surprisingly enough, ends up conflicting with the all the poitnless dependencies03:24
SpeedEvilI suspect all of these things have 'good reasons' that someone has decreed.03:24
javispedrolike ubuntu does.03:24
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SpeedEvilAnd you've got to convince/kill that person first before it'll happen.03:24
javispedroubuntu has the big, all-depending ubuntu-desktop package and I don't see anyone complaining about it.03:25
javispedro(though ubuntu-desktop is more like the -unlocked version)03:25
ali1234javispedro: it doesn't depend on *specific* versions unless they really are necessary03:25
SpeedEvilbelsatsar: on GPS games - - lots of gernams really enjoy this!03:26
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ali1234also it is perfectly possible to remove ubuntu-desktop and still have a fully working system03:26
javispedrooh, I see that fremantle doesn't have the -unlocked version.03:26
javispedroali1234: I removed the package the second day I got my N90003:26
ali1234so you removed the maemo5 package?03:26
javispedropr-fremantle-blabla, yes.03:26
ali1234and you still get updates?03:27
javispedronot through ham.03:27
ali1234well then.03:27
javispedrowell you didn't use ham to upgrade didn't you? you used apt-get too.03:27
ali1234i tried and failed :)03:27
javispedrosave for the pointless stupid idea where they have multiple repos per version.03:27
javispedrowhich makes the entire approach a bit longer than it should be.03:28
ali1234had to reflash in the end, because it crashed half way through updating and then went into the endless reboot loop03:28
javispedros/multiple repos per version/a repo per version03:28
ali1234but anyway, if oyu remove the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, it wont affect the operation of the machine at all. you will still get all exactly the same upgrades in the same way03:28
javispedronot really.03:29
ali1234yes, really03:29
javispedroyou don't get any new packages, you can't upgrade from ubuntu 4 to ubuntu 5, etc.03:29
ali1234this is not true at all03:29
ali1234i have done it several time03:29
ali1234you won't get totally new packages03:29
ali1234but they don't add totally new packages after a release anyway03:29
ali1234and upgrades still work fine03:30
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javispedrothat contradicts official ubuntu docs03:30
ali1234you *might* find the -desktop package has been reinstalled after you have upgraded03:30
ali1234in one case i had a ubuntu turn into a xubuntu after upgrade :)03:30
javispedroso it tries to install during upgrade (which would bail out if you had been playing with package versions)03:31
ali1234no, it wouldn't03:31
ali1234because it removes incompatible packages during a distribution upgrade03:31
ali1234so it wouldn't bomb out03:32
javispedroyes, what a nice idea.03:32
javispedrototally developer friendly.03:32
javispedroremoving "unwanted" packages.03:32
ali1234yes, actually it is03:32
javispedroah well.03:32
ali1234it is more friendly than refusing to upgrade because you are a developer03:32
ali1234and then not telling you why03:32
ali1234and just saying "you better format and reinstall"03:32
SpeedEvilDoes anyone recall whoever was thinking about preparing a package of gnu itils to replace busybox?03:33
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ali1234and of course, it tells you what it is going to do *before* it does it03:33
ali1234so it's not like you have to go ahead03:33
javispedrowell, that could probably be implemented in ham.03:33
ali1234if you have compiled your own packages, you should recompile them against the new toolchain anyway03:33
ali1234so in fact, removing them is totally the correct thing to do03:33
javispedrothat actually sounds user-friendly, so is something that h-a-m could do.03:34
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DocScrutinizerI have a lockedup N900 here. Signal LED switches to charging on usb charger hookup, and back to normal lifelight on unplug. Screen black, unlock sliderswitch unresponsive. SSH over WLAN works, top shows a process [sgx_misr] eating 98% sys cpu03:35
DocScrutinizerany suggestions how to further investigate? or how to recover other than reboot?03:36
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ali1234on the flip side, ubuntu only makes you uninstall all your dev packages every 2 years, or every 5 years if you're on LTS03:36
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DocScrutinizeranybody a clue at least what's sgx_misr?03:38
ali1234isr is probably interrupt service routine. sgx is something to do with the graphics accelerator isn't it?03:39
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DocScrutinizerouch. this would explain my black screen at least :->03:39
javispedroit is the graphics accelerator03:39
ali1234debugging interrupt problems is not fun03:40
javispedro... specially on the PVR code which looks like a pidgin between win32 and linux03:41
DocScrutinizerso, dmesg doesn't show anything fishy. Any ideas how to make a bugreport with helpful detail added out of this, before I reboot?03:41
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javispedromisr is a kernel workqueue03:42
javispedroif you could get where is it sleeping, that would hel03:42
DocScrutinizeryo, thus PPID 2 and the "["03:42
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DocScrutinizerit's not sleeping, it eats cpu to make a nice handwarmer out of N900 (which isn't that bad at temperature outside here ;-)03:43
ali1234maybe something with /proc/sysreq (do we even have it?)03:43
ali1234yes, we do03:44
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ali1234dunno how you would capture the dump though, probably need a serial rig03:44
DocScrutinizerhmm console over WLAN won't probably work03:44
ali1234i very much doubt it03:45
* ShadowJK wonders if kmsg size can be increased runtime03:45
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DocScrutinizeranyway syslog as a buzzword doesn't help me out right now03:46
ali1234any ideas on how to reproduce?03:47
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DocScrutinizer var/log/ looks rather unpopulted03:47
ali1234or just random?03:47
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javispedrotry to be lucky, hit sysrq t, and see if kmsg buffer was big enough? :)03:47
DocScrutinizerjust random, though the WLAN had a connectivity glitch to internet same time03:47
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: aaah I see. where's sysreq key on N900?03:48
javispedro"in" /proc/sysrq-something03:48
ali1234echo t > /proc/sysrq-trigger03:48
DocScrutinizerhmm may do this, no problem03:49
SpeedEvilthere was a mtdlog or something oops logger IIRC03:49
ali1234you can change the dmesg size too...03:49
ali1234doesn;t seem to work unfortunately... 16kb limit03:51
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DocScrutinizersorry another internet brownout03:59
DocScrutinizer[2010-01-28 02:49:02] <ali1234>
DocScrutinizer[2010-01-28 02:49:09] <DocScrutinizer> hmm may do this, no problem04:00
DocScrutinizer[2010-01-28 02:49:47] <DocScrutinizer> so you think this will pan out?04:00
DocScrutinizer[2010-01-28 02:51:25] <DocScrutinizer> well I thought about gdb or kill sigstop the runaway process... if you think sysreq is the way to go, I'll fire it now04:00
ali1234but you;ve only got 16kb of dmesg04:00
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ali1234and lots of the sysreq commands will effectively crash the kernel of course so you wont see any output04:00
ali1234doing a dump of the interrupt control registers would probably be useful04:02
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ali1234if you can find the address04:02
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DocScrutinizerif you can walk me thru that :-)04:03
ali1234hmm.... first get the kernel source04:03
ali1234grep it for sgx_misr04:03
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ali1234find the tasklet, then find the interrupt it triggers on04:04
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ali1234then look up the physical address of that #define04:04
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ali1234then read the TRM and find all the control registers associated with that interrupt04:04
ali1234findally use /dev/mem to dump the values in all the related addresses you found04:05
ali1234by the time you;ve done all that you'll probably have found the bug too04:05
cpscottiDocScrutinizer: something like two days ago my n900 was laggy as hell.. really unresponsive.. after some time I managed to run top and I saw exactly the same thing.. then I rebooted but "in the right way" bz the top menu was "working".04:05
cpscottisgx_misr and all..04:05
cpscottiafter the reboot everything went back to normal04:05
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DocScrutinizerprobably could do all this. ETA weekend :-P04:05
cpscottino clue what it was.. also04:05
cpscotti(I know I'm not helping on actually getting the dump or solving the problem.. but I feel that sometimes it's good to tell people that they are not alone)04:05
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ali1234maybe you coudl compare notes and figure out how to reproduce? that's the most important thing...04:06
cpscottiali1234: LOL04:06
cpscottiali1234: mine was totally on boot.. like.. first thing.. but if I encounter it again I'll look better..04:06
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DocScrutinizer(<ali1234> findally use /dev/mem to dump ) I got 256M of ram and a 16G uSD... Start to wonder...04:07
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ali1234it isn't RAM, it's a memory mapped device04:07
KamuiN900howdy doodie04:08
ali1234not part of the 256mb ram04:08
ali1234the address space is 32bit for 4GB04:08
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Arkenoi Moses presents first iPad04:08
ali1234however, all the interrupt regs will be in the same place (probably)04:08
KamuiN900well what a joke04:08
ali1234but you'll have to look in the TRM and/or source code to know where04:08
pupnik/usr/share/icons/default/cursors $ * -> transp   hmmm04:09
KamuiN900ipad would need to be 200 dollars cheaper in each itteration to be a cost effective purchase:)04:09
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DocScrutinizerI'll forget about that then04:09
DocScrutinizerjust give sysreq a shot04:09
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DocScrutinizeror kill [sgx_misr]04:11
ali1234this can only be caused by two things really... either there is a bug in the DSP code, which would be almost impossible for you to do anything about, or there a bug in the kernel not handling interrupts properly04:11
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ali1234clearly some interrupt is firing out of control04:11
DocScrutinizeryup - lol04:11
DocScrutinizerI had no plans to fix it myself04:11
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ali1234i mean, if it's a DSP problem, you can't even really dump anything useful04:11
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DocScrutinizerjust trying to gather helpful additional info04:12
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DocScrutinizerso nevermind04:12
DocScrutinizerkill -904:12
ali1234would be useful to know which interrupt it is04:12
ali1234i doubt you'll be able to kill a kernel task like that :)04:12
acidjazzconversations needs mark as read functionality04:13
DocScrutinizerduh, I'm root ;-S04:13
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DocScrutinizerand still you're right04:14
ali1234it's not a normal process... it's part of the kernel04:14
DocScrutinizeryo, though PID 81204:14
pupnikreplacing transp with a different cursor doesn't work04:15
DocScrutinizerso I'd guess I'd be able to kick it off the process table - but noooo04:15
acidjazzman we so need a php package for maemo since it supports gtk :)04:15
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ali1234DocScrutinizer: it ain't gonna fix your video anyway04:16
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DocScrutinizeryup, that's what I expected as well04:16
DocScrutinizerso for sysreq now04:17
pupnikprops to the browser devs for enabling cursor somehow04:17
DocScrutinizerwhich doesn't do anything either04:18
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ali1234DocScrutinizer: look on dmesg04:18
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ali1234yeah, unfortunately all the interesting stuff scrolled off the top...04:20
ali1234maybe if you install syslog04:20
DocScrutinizeryep, I see :-(04:21
ali1234ah maybe this...04:22
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DocScrutinizer-s doesn't help04:23
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ali1234there's a klogd package, just trying it04:28
ali1234and now i have /var/log/syslog04:28
ali1234bet that will grow04:28
DocScrutinizerapt-get install klogd ?04:32
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ali1234yeah, but it doesn't seem to work04:35
ali1234the kernel buffer just isn't big enough04:35
ali1234also it looks like it will fill up / with useless logs04:35
acidjazzwhats hte sql engine db called we use again04:35
acidjazzfor n90004:35
acidjazzfor like text messages and all that other stuff04:35
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pupnikhah wow, we have sqlite, mysql and postgres04:36
acidjazzmysql for the n900 really?04:36
acidjazzthat cant be efficient on a phone04:37
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pupnikit's a CAMERA04:37
acidjazzsqlite comes on the phone though rite04:37
acidjazzi just broke hte app manager04:38
ali1234ah dmesg -s doesn;t set the size, it just tells dmesg the size is not default04:38
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DocScrutinizerali1234: line 187 ff -
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acidjazzsomeone make a php package for maemo w/ sqlite and gtk suppor t:-D04:39
acidjazzsupport* :-D04:39
DocScrutinizerooh sheesh missed your comment04:39
ali1234yeah, that is still cut off04:39
ali1234cos the sysreq overflows the ring buffer before syslog even gets to see it04:40
* DocScrutinizer wishes he had installed the patched kernel with larger buffer04:40
DocScrutinizergrrr I'll simply boot it now04:41
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DocScrutinizerand mumble a few swearwords about kernel maintainers deciding to safe a few KB on such a elementary thing04:42
DocScrutinizersave even04:42
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ali1234yeah, cannot be changed at runtme04:43
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DocScrutinizerseems even to thin for a ticket04:47
Matthew-Hey, anyone here?04:47
Matthew-Anyone can write GUI interface using visual basic to track IP addressess ?04:47
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: because saving 16K on kernelbugger is of course lots easier than saving 16K on 'worldclock'04:52
adalali got an write error, for a repository... Write Error - write (28 No space left on device)04:53
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* DocScrutinizer mumbles even nastier swearwords. mumbling gets louder04:54
adalalany help?04:54
pupnikadalal: open terminal, type 'du'04:54
pupniker "df"04:55
DocScrutinizererr df -h04:55
pupnikyeah for people who can't read numbers04:55
adalali typed in df04:55
DocScrutinizeror don't know offhand what's the meaning (k, blocks, bytes?)04:56
pupnikwhat does 'rootfs' show04:56
adalaluse% = 85%04:56
adalalhow would i clear that :S?04:56
pupnikthat doesn't look full.  did you just add -devel repository?04:56
adalali added it ages ago04:56
pupnikkB DocScrutinizer04:57
adalalthe devel repository reports taht error04:57
pupnikdevel repo is quite large04:57
adalalyeah, but it's only a list isn't it? on the device04:57
pupniksee if your /var/cache/apt/archives is full of debs.  you can clear or move those04:58
jebbabigger repo coming up  ;)04:59
adalalbigger repo?04:59
jebbatest repo04:59
pupnikjebba: any idea how to display cursor on n900?04:59
adalalpupnik: that folder only has lock and partial/05:00
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jebbai see my cursor05:00
DocScrutinizeror maybe you "optified" /var/log/apt recently05:00
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jebbagconftool-2 -R / |grep cursor05:00
DocScrutinizerand now incidentally the symlink got stale05:00
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pupnikzarro results here jebba05:01
jebbanot sure about that. There is/was a blink_cursor entry in gnome-terminal05:02
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adalalright.. i tried apt-get clean before, didn't help, and i just did apt-get autoremove, and it works fine now i suppose05:05
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pupniknice adalal ++05:08
adalalpupnik: my rootfs is 92% full all ofa  sudden :S05:08
adalalim not an expert, but something seems wrong :S05:08
pupnikmine is 92% also05:09
adalaloh :S... ok05:09
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_andymy N900 has more running processes than my gentoo desktop.05:27
prontonice lol05:28
prontonow many on earch?05:28
_andy151 on desktop, 168 on N90005:28
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DocScrutinizertsss, 230 here, on laptop05:29
uhsfi have troll on archlinux channel who is convinced he can do more with android than with maemo05:30
SpeedEvilsame here05:30
SpeedEvilhe can.05:30
SpeedEvilIn some aspects.05:30
DocScrutinizerwhere??? o.O no troll around except me :-P05:31
_andyoh DocScrutinizer ! i fixed my mail problems..05:31
SpeedEvilYou can install a hell of a lot more apps ruignt now wiht no work05:31
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_andyall I had to do was patch and recompile libtinymail-camel to make it use an SSLv3 handshake instead of an SSLv2 compatable handshake...05:31
_andy<3 open source phone.05:32
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povbotBug 8386: SSLv2 compatible handshake with IMAP4S and SPOP05:33
_andy:D i still can't get imap over pops to work tho05:33
DocScrutinizerstrange - should work ;-P05:34
DocScrutinizerhmmm N900 is cooled down to normal - maybe I should write a handwarmer app ;-P05:37
prontowoah, many errors on O_O05:38
pronto  scroll down a bit to see the arrays failing to flip :D05:39
_andyhmm.. only happens when I'm logged in.05:40
prontoreally?, i'm not logged in ant it happens05:40
_andyhmm. im on chrome05:40
prontoa php error isnt going to change on browser O_o05:40
_andymaybe.. looks caching related.05:41
prontoheh its gone now05:41
_andywhat would be a good resolution to convert videos to for the n900?05:42
prontothe handbrake preset for iphone works05:43
prontoi've donw that with a few movies, worked great05:43
_andythank you sir.05:43
prontoi'm sure if you wanted to you could tweak it more for the n900, but that preset worked great05:44
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Loopliiihi is anyone know how to nlock password locked 770?05:48
Loopliiimy little bro play with it and left it locked :(05:48
SpeedEvilI think if you kill the person that locked it, it unlocks.05:52
Loopliii:) it is my little bro ....05:53
Loopliiiit wont do sir05:54
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KamuiN900he took it seriously05:55
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Loopliiianyone have shrp netwalk...05:57
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prontoso i'm trying to find something that'll sync notes with my home server and n90006:10
Loopliiiis n900 worth to buy compared to iph... or androids?06:12
_andyare you looking for bias advice?06:12
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SpeedEvilLoopliii: Personally - absolutely. However - much more so if you value having what is essentially a linux desktop class system in your pocket.06:12
Loopliiimaturity of app... and os stability06:12
prontoi put it this way, if you're linux geek and like messing with things get n900, if you just want something that works but dont like apples lock down get andriod, if you like being rammed in the butt 24/7 get iphone06:12
SpeedEvil(admittedly slower than most desktops)06:12
prontobut thats just what i think06:13
Klowneranyone have any of those lil' charger backup battery thingers? ie. a rechargeable battery to recharge your.. battery?06:15
Loopliiii like n800 but not 770 as it very not mature developed06:15
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shamusthe n800 is nice06:22
shamusfiy the defult pin is 1234506:23
shamusunless you changed it06:23
shamusthen you kill the persion that changed it06:23
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tank-manInteresting product (MID) $229CND BenQ S6 4.8IN WVGA Touch Screen Mid Tablet PC Intel Atom 8GB SSD XP WLAN Bluetooth W/ MicroSD Slot
luke-jrSpeedEvil: Maemo is far from desktop-class, unfortunately.06:53
tank-man4.8? WVGA 800 x 480 TFT touch panel06:54
luke-jrtank-man: x86 ftl06:54
luke-jrtank-man: look up LG Apollo :)06:54
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tank-manwin mo ftl ? :)06:55
luke-jrtank-man: Qualcomm also has a sweet new SoC06:55
luke-jrtank-man: who cares what it's shipped with? :)06:55
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pupnikas of now, we can't really use n900 for presentations with synergy or bluetooth mouse07:09
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pupniki like pronto's summary07:10
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pupnikwe should really find some way to enable cursor display on n90007:12
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pupnikX pointer rather07:12
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tank-manisnt there? thought I saw that feature in a video07:13
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prontofor the web browser there is07:13
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pronto  anyone get this to install?07:17
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prontowhen i try to install it, it says i dont have: libalarm, libhildondesktop, libhildonwm07:18
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pupniknice try07:26
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crashanddieyo pbds!07:32
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GeneralAntillesI love it when bloggers come back with rebuttals that are STILL WRONG.07:33
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: example?07:37
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pupnikdude, i just got X pointer after running a flash page07:41
* pupnik falls over laffing07:41
prontoyeah theres a pointer for the webbrowser, you didnt know that?07:41
pupnikno the pointer is now persistent, and it's the one i copied over the transp pointer07:41
pupnik    it appears after running this page (windows 98 emulator)07:42
* GeneralAntilles sighs.07:42
GeneralAntillesToo many people insist on stating their opinions as hard facts.07:43
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pupnikweird things happen man.07:44
Loopliiianyone know how to unlock pasword locked 770? maybe GeneralAntiles07:45
GeneralAntillesAnd Mr. Sarcastic Conspiracy Man geneven strikes again.07:45
* pupnik wonders to what mr Antilles refers07:47
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GeneralAntillespupnik, idiots on Talk.07:48
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pupniklovin synergy07:49
`0660ga, i think that guy gets paid to not get it right :)07:49
GeneralAntilles`0660, yeah, he's a blogger. Don't be redundant. :P07:50
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: oy, I'm a blogger you puss07:54
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luke-jrcrashanddie: exactly his point? :)07:55
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GeneralAntillesDamn straight.07:55
crashanddieluke-jr: other than trolling, I haven't seen a lot of positive contributions coming from you ;)07:55
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: don't be a devil, sweety07:56
luke-jrcrashanddie: you don't read code much? :P07:56
crashanddieI said "positive" contributions07:56
GeneralAntillesIt got cold here again at some point.07:56
* luke-jr peers at GeneralAntilles's link07:56
luke-jriPhone doesn't support Flash? really?07:57
crashanddieiPad neither07:57
GeneralAntillesNor does the fraeking iPad07:57
luke-jrsurprised they sell07:57
crashanddiethey've got an app for youtube07:57
pupniki am torn... wanting to praise...07:57
crashanddiewhich is 40% of all flash on the internet07:57
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luke-jrcrashanddie: that's the right way to do it!07:57
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GeneralAntillespupnik, the motiviations aren't good. ;)07:58
pupnikbtw mytube works nicely on desktop PC without flash07:58
luke-jrwould be sweet if Konq integrated mplayer for YouTube and such07:58
pupnikjust grab the maemo .deb and extract on pc, and install some deps.  voila07:58
Proteousplea to freenode: stop disconnecting me and making me rejoin with a different nick then not letting me change my nick because I am in a channel that is +R so that I have to leave the channel, change my nick, reregister then rejoin plz kthnxsbye07:59
luke-jrpupnik: uh, no?07:59
luke-jrpupnik: unless you mean an ARM desktop?07:59
RST38hmoo all07:59
pupnikit's python07:59
Proteousquack RST38h07:59
luke-jrpupnik: ah07:59
pupnikand the neato part is it works with regular pygtk and not just hildon08:00
pupnikfirst tiem i ran a maemo app on pee cee :)08:00
luke-jrProteous: you don't *have* to reconnect on netsplit08:00
ProteousI don't think it's a netsplit that does it08:01
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luke-jrProteous: that's the only quits I've seen from you recently08:01
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Proteouswonder if there is an irssi setting I can change to fix the behavior08:01
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Proteousfrom my logs it looks like I am getting disconnected from the server08:02
Proteouswhen I reconnect my old nick is still in use by my zombie08:03
Proteoushmm, or maybe not08:05
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Proteousanyway, complaining about something gives me the energy and stamina to try to fix it08:09
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Proteouslongest wootoff ever08:10
pupnikProteous: autojoin some other unlocked channel, then /msg nickserv ghost $password08:11
pupnikif you're in #maemo, you'll not be able to change08:11
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Proteouseasy solution found, register the other nick with nickserv too08:14
GeneralAntillesProteous, did you group them?08:15
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pupnikok to get persistent cursor, i need to browse to a flash page :D08:18
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pupniksbemail is still going!08:26
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pupnikthe definitive flash test08:27
redProteous: easier solution, /nick and /msg identify blabla before joins in autoperform :)08:28
redatleast in irssi you can set a delay for operations08:29
pupnikty red - right on08:30
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Proteousred, that works as long as your nick isn't still being used by your own zombie08:36
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Proteousyou can register with nickserv regardless of nick if you put :nick password into the server connection string though08:37
Proteousnot sure if you can kick your own registered zombie off of your own nick though08:37
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redwell if you really want to have a backup for being on wrong nick on a reg channel08:39
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redyou can always group more nicks to your account08:39
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red /msg nickserv help is a useful command :P08:40
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pronto  nice this works in virutalbox :D08:42
Proteousred, I just did that a short while ago08:43
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Proteousred, that was my "solution" to the problem08:43
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slonopotamusis it only me or gmail in fremantle microb doesn't properly work?08:52
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RST38hSeems to work here08:54
RST38hYou may be having some problems with MicroB portrait mode, it sometimes behaves08:55
slonopotamusRST38h, open mail, archive it, close browser. you'll get 'request is being processed msg'08:56
slonopotamusand actually it never finishes08:56
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slonopotamusand mail never gets archived08:56
slonopotamuspossibly need to open/archive several emails08:57
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slonopotamusRST38h, just reproduced it with only one email.08:58
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RST38hSome javascript does not get to run...08:59
Xisdibikhow successful have people been with scim vs mscim etc08:59
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pupniktablets make great little side-monitors with synergy :)09:00
pupnikput irssi in fullscreen xterm on 770 for e.g.09:00
slonopotamusRST38h, so, you confirm?09:01
RST38hslono: Desktop GMail version?09:02
slonopotamusRST38h, yep. latest one, with colored labels.09:03
RST38ham I supposed to archive a message and close MicroB?09:03
slonopotamusopen message, archive it (you'll be returned to list), wait as long as you want, try closing microb.09:04
slonopotamusaand? no 'request is being processed' alert?09:05
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RST38hyou probably just have to wait09:06
RST38husing GPRS?09:06
Milo-navit is useless09:06
Milo-crash crash crash crash09:06
slonopotamusRST38h, using anything.09:06
RST38htell us something new, will you?09:06
Milo-and it won't even show me the map09:06
Milo-good for watching your speed, though09:06
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crashanddiewow, ps3 cracked apparently09:32
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iPeter-Hi. How does amsn work on N90010:00
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iPeter-is there any msn program/plugin what can keep live msn on too - many users logged in same aaccount10:02
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TriztN900don't msn just allow one user at the time?10:02
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pupniki remember NetBEUI10:18
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ProteousI remember IPX10:18
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pupnikthat was actually somewhat functional10:21
ProteousI remember blindly fumbling around with it to get doom networking working so I could play with my brother10:21
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pupniki marvel that AIM and MSN don't have the stigma of leprosy and ebola10:24
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tybolltI remember bnc 10bnase2 networks :)10:24
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pupnikwhich frequently ran...10:24
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pupnikappletalk. ipx/spc netbiod/netbeui10:25
Proteoustolken ring FTW10:25
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Proteoushobbits on the brain10:25
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jaskasauron wants to steal the master token back10:26
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Proteoushe can'ts have it, it's my precious10:26
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PaulFertserStskeeps: have you read this: -- it's about business and open source communities relationship.10:33
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threshhow do i tell n900 to automagically launch some script on choosing "PC Suite Mode" when connection to computer? It would be smth like ifup usb0 && echo "nameserver foo" >> /var/run/ && killall -HUP dnsmasq && route add10:52
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StskeepsPaulFertser: you have no idea how much stirr that article caused on maemo-developers..10:57
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PaulFertserStskeeps: the mailing list? i'd appreciate if you tell the subject so i can find it in the archives.11:02
jophishHowdy all.11:02
cpscottijophish: Howdy!11:03
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cpscottiHey.. anyone knows if there is a way to control the position of the service icons (X for close and the little tool for settings) for desktop widgets?11:04
jophishIt's my understanding that on the n900, the small internal flash is much faster than the 32gb internal card. However it is a compressed filesystem. How much difference would it make to mount / on the 32gb internal card. And leave the internal flash for something like Mer or another OS?11:04
PaulFertserStskeeps: thanks :)11:05
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crashanddieso what's people's opinion about the ipad?11:06
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Corsaccrashanddie: none11:07
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Stskeepscrashanddie: unimpressed11:08
jophishcrashanddie, Personally, I can't see a use for it, seems very flawed, however Apple has proved me wrong on almost every other product I have decided was poor.11:08
jophishI think that it's unlikely to appeal to anyone in here.11:09
crashanddieto everyone who thinks the name is dubious:
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crashanddie(not suitable for work)11:09
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cpscotticrashanddie: HAHA lol!11:15
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jophishgoodmorning hrw11:32
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X-FadeRST38h: Yeah, basically an ARM SOC.11:36
RST38hYes but notice CortexA9 rather than A811:36
X-FadeRST38h: Woudn't mind a Coretex-A9 though.11:36
X-Fadehehe, yeah11:36
RST38hIs the rumored Maemo6 device still using OMAP3 with A8 inside?11:36
RST38hAnother hehe: A Chinese Ministry of Industry and Information Technology spokesperson has today delivered a statement affirming China's willingness to allow Android devices to operate within the country without restriction so long as they adhere to the nation's laws.11:37
X-FadeSummit said omap3.11:37
RST38hmooo wazd11:37
RST38hX-Fade: The most interesting consequence of the iPad is that every Chinese company-in-a-shed is gonna release a ripoff of iPad in 6 months11:37
X-FadeRST38h: Off-the-shelf components.11:38
alteregoThe A9's are awesome, I've heard a lot about them, they've had multi-core designs and all sorts going on at arm with that chip.11:38
RST38hX-Fade: And somebody at Maemo Devices will be seriously reconsidering bigger form factor in the next month or so ;))11:38
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X-FadeRST38h: For me this thing is too big. And way to low res.11:39
RST38halterego: Well, AFAIK they are a refinement of A8. A8 was the first step in uncharted territory for arm11:39
X-FadeRST38h: Rather use a netbook if I am to carry this large thing around.11:39
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RST38hX-Fade: Nah, I would not use the iPad myself11:39
jophishI hear that they cost an ARM (and a leg)11:39
RST38hX-Fade: But I *would* use something in HD2 form factor. 4.3" screen, still pocketable11:39
X-FadeArm netbooks seem to be coming in numbers this year.11:39
hrwthe bad side of omap3 is 256MB ram chip. but 512MB samples exists11:40
RST38hjophish: depends on what you compare them with11:40
RST38hhrw: it is external though11:40
Corsacyeah, new touchbook motherboards have 512M ram11:40
hrwCorsac: nice11:40
RST38hThe reason why ARM-based netbooks are coming is exactly that - Tegra, Snapdragon etc are all based on A9 now, and A9 specs seem to be enough for a netbook11:41
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hrwbut let they release 10-12" ones...11:41
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hrwhi florian11:43
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crashanddiewarning everyone: do *not* breathe through your nose when eating wasabi coated peas11:45
X-FadeStskeeps: Marcell thinks that switching to update2 should be safe.11:45
PaulFertserStskeeps: it's interesting how easily the maemo community gets pissed about criticism. Unhealthy i'd say.11:45
X-FadeStskeeps: So I'll probably check that out this evening.11:46
StskeepsX-Fade: fantastic11:46
PaulFertserBTW, it's the same Igor Stoppa who ignored my usb host info request is talking about nokia not being silent :|11:46
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X-FadePaulFertser: Just send him an email?11:47
PaulFertserX-Fade: that's exactly what i did, CCing maemo-devel11:47
PaulFertserX-Fade: a big e-mail with tons of technical details and precise questions.11:48
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crashanddiePaulFer``: any community is like that really11:49
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X-FadePaulFertser: Hmm I don't know then. He's usually willing to talk about everything.11:49
PaulFertsercrashanddie: well, my experience is different. A healthy community can't be irritated _that_ easily, especially when the criticism is valid.11:49
StskeepsPaulFertser: i think the reached the conclusion that reversing is very bloody difficult11:49
X-FadePaulFertser: He discussed bad design etc at the summit too ;)11:49
X-Fade*hardware design.11:49
PaulFertserStskeeps: nope, i follow the thread.11:50
StskeepsPaulFertser: even on the physical level?11:50
crashanddiePaulFer``: and just to help you prove your point, considering you're trolling so obviously: OMFG !!!11eleven how cn u even compare maemo wif iphone????11:50
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PaulFertserStskeeps: the physical level is most probably ok, though i lack datasheet to tell for sure. Similar devices have no requirement whatsoever to have11:50
PaulFertserid routed to get hostmode.11:50
PaulFertsercrashanddie: hm, you seem  to have already forgotten me. _I_ would never say iphone is of any good.11:51
crashanddiei was supposed to remember you?11:51
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PaulFertsercrashanddie: nope11:52
PaulFertsercrashanddie: but you say about me trolling11:52
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PaulFertserStskeeps: it'd be nice if you finally asked the relevant guys... I lack the datasheets. And it seems nokia kernel dev didn't answer about that "test" register that allows to switch musb to hostmode.11:55
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meceThe horror, the horror! I'm forced to manually enter a timetable into a database from paper!11:57
meceand I know what you're thinking; Well, could they not train a tall chimpanzee to do that? Or, a small chimpanzee with a bigger gizmo?11:57
meceand you'd be right, but they haven't. :/11:57
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Corsacjust code an ocr to do that11:58
Caesiummece: perhaps you are the chimpanzee? ;)11:59
RST38hmece: why not keep it on paper then?11:59
meceCaesium, yep. That's why they haven't trained another one :/12:00
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meceRST38h, dunno. I think it's all some scheme to make me want to quit or something.12:00
RST38hStskeeps: Just think of it: you tell PaulFertser about that register, he fries his N900 next time he tries charging it, we finally stop having to listen to his complaints about the lack of host usb mode =)12:01
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RST38hmece: Next stop: RESTROOMS! =)12:01
alteregoI think there's no video call support yet because the H264 encoder is a bit shitty.12:01
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RST38halterego: Haven't people reported using video calls over google chat?12:01
alteregoI can't even get the OMAX decoder to work :(12:01
zaheermyah gst-dsp is not being used for h264 encode, still openmax which adds a performance penalty12:02
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PaulFertserRST38h: i do not have n900, it's unreasonably expensive here and not open enough (probably yet) to my liking anyway.12:02
alteregoI've been using the dsph264enc and it works, it's just stuttery most of the time.12:02
alteregoMassive delay too.12:02
RST38hPaulFertser: then why insist on getting the docs?12:02
PaulFertserRST38h: also charging and usb host mode are not mutually exclusive, there's low possibility one can fry anything that way.12:02
alteregoBut it works, and ~I was quite happy with the quality.12:02
RST38hPaulFertser: Well, there was explicit comment from some Nokian about the two being electrically incompatible in the N900 design12:03
PaulFertserRST38h: n900 is still one of the most attractive devices with chances to be opened enough to become usable.12:03
alteregoThe poor output of the front-facing camera doesn't seem so bad when it's encoded and streamed over RTP to my laptop ^.^12:03
alteregoIt's really dark though.12:03
RST38hFeels usable to me as it is :)12:03
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PaulFertserRST38h: there was no decent comment from any Nokian about that whatsoever. Ask Stskeeps if unsure.12:04
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hrwnokia... please learn how to write win32 apps12:04
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alteregoYeah, the N900 as it is to me, right now is pretty damn good. Just need a few performance tweaks for media processing and I'll be well happy.12:05
alteregoWell, I'm already well happy.12:05
alteregoIt's just be a lot cooler if it could do the video/audio stuff without skipping or stuttering every now-and-again.12:05
philnin the SDK is it normal i only see the clock menu in the home screen? i would like the "availability" button too12:06
PaulFertserhrw: hm, why?12:06
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alteregoI'm porting a proprietary codec to linux, and, gstreamer. I want to use it on the N900. Hopefully it'll work fine without a dsp, but I'm thinking about porting it to run on the DSP.12:06
RST38hhrw: Aren't they writing those in Java instead?12:06
hrwPaulFertser: each time when I look at nokia pc sutei or nokia ovi suite or other nokia app I want to vomit at its UI12:06
* RST38h seems to remember the last PCSuite being written in Java and sucking royally12:07
alteregoWhat's wrong with their Qt based windows apps? :P12:07
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RST38hWell, their puny attempts at "original" UI design are a whole different subject...12:07
hrwPaulFertser: windowgadgets in vista style on XP classic desktop, no minimalize on many windows, extra cpu use just to catch mouse events in case user wants to move window12:07
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PaulFertserhrw: to me it seems like a non-issue, useless apps for useless OS, who cares...12:07
felipecX-Fade: I solved my problem with the 1.1 SDK by removing ${shlibs:Depends} and manually setting the dependencies12:08
hrwPaulFertser: I used pc suite to migrate sms messages from e66 -> n90012:08
X-Fadefelipec: Yes, we're working on fixes like that too.12:08
felipecX-Fade: but did you read my comment about your proposed solution?12:09
JaffaMorning, all12:09
PaulFertserhrw: aren't they accessible over AT commands?12:09
Jaffamgedmin: ping12:09
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X-Fadefelipec: Basically some packages need to properly specify it.12:09
hrwPaulFertser: do I look like someone who has a time for it?12:09
X-Fadefelipec: updating devkit is a bit of a pain it seems.12:10
hrwPaulFertser: and AT commands are good only to get sms from sim card not from phone memory12:10
hrwX-Fade: updating devkit? from etch to etch?12:10
X-Fadehrw: no, newer apt libs inside the devkit.12:11
timeless_mbpPaulFertser: having actually fried an openmoko device while using it for usb charging....12:11
PaulFertserhrw: hm, i thought some phones support getting messages/contacts from the main memory with at commands as well. At least some old motorola did. I've no idea about your time, probably you have convenient access to some windows box...12:11
PaulFertsertimeless_mbp: do you mean you used a freerunner to charge N900 and fried the freerunner?12:12
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hrwPaulFertser: I have 3 windows licenses at home12:12
PaulFertserpoor fella12:12
hrwPaulFertser: you too.12:12
timeless_mbpalterego: for the record, nokia can't write decent windows apps <period>12:12
hrwPaulFertser: next time do not judge so fast12:13
PaulFertserhrw: i do not argue that one12:13
timeless_mbpPaulFertser: there's a public bug recording the event12:13
felipecX-Fade: specify the maemo5 version? why? wouldn't it be better to specify the actual package they require?12:13
timeless_mbpif you can't find it, you shouldn't bother us12:13
PaulFertsertimeless_mbp: the freerunner in question wasn't fried, just heated up.12:13
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PaulFertsertimeless_mbp: if you talking about the other event please provide more details.12:13
mgedminJaffa, kinda busy right now, is it urgent?12:13
PaulFertsertimeless_mbp: also it has no relation whatsoever to the question of N900 support for usb host.12:13
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timeless_mbpPaulFertser: it started to smoke12:14
X-Fadefelipec: if the sdk package specifies this, you don't have to do anything.12:14
hrwPaulFertser: so basically idea is: connect usb cable hardcoded to be ID=host to n900, switch n900 musb to host from client?12:15
timeless_mbpok so maybe no permanent damage12:15
timeless_mbpbut still12:15
felipecX-Fade: sorry, what do you mean by sdk package?12:15
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X-Fadefelipec: If gstreamer of libosso specifies this correcly, your package will get the correct depends.12:16
PaulFertserhrw: the idea is to switch n900 musb to host using some UI but there's no enough details available how to do that, also probably external power should be provided for the bus.12:16
X-Fadefelipec: So you don't have to hack out shlibs.12:16
felipecX-Fade: specifies what? you know which version of gstreamer is in PR 1.0, and which one is in PR 1.112:16
xtcan anyone confirm that currently N900 can't do USB networking with windows ?12:16
X-Fadefelipec: Yes, but you should not have to worry about that.12:16
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hrwPaulFertser: I need time to solder such cable12:17
X-Fadefelipec: SDK should handle these kind of things, if there are no big api/abi breaks.12:17
timeless_mbpxt: so12:17
timeless_mbpwindows doesn't ship w/ a usb networking driver12:17
timeless_mbpif you add one, it could work12:17
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dprohas anyone built a PAM package for the n900 ?12:17
felipecX-Fade: yeah, that's my point... but I don't think you need to change the SDK either12:17
PaulFertserhrw: sure. The problem is that folks do not know how to switch musb to host mode (there's info in OMAP DS but it's probably incomplete and musb DS is not available) and also PHY-level IC has no datasheet.12:18
X-Fadefelipec: SDK should just provide proper packages ;)12:18
X-Fadefelipec: And prevent breakage when it is not absolutely needed.12:18
hrwPaulFertser: the trick is soldering ID pin properly in cable12:18
hrwPaulFertser: I did that with beagleboard12:18
PaulFertserhrw: the id pin is NC in n900 they say12:19
PaulFertserhrw: so it doesn't matter12:19
dprooh and would any of you know what settings for CONFIG_HZ are valid on arm ?12:19
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hrwPaulFertser: thx for info12:20
vldcnstDoes anyone know what GSP chip n900 has?12:20
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felipecvldcnst: search for OMAP343012:21
PaulFertserhrw: this thread is where the guys got so far. But lack of input from Nokia really makes it unfun:
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hrwPaulFertser: thx again12:23
vldcnstdpro: thanks12:23
felipecanyone willing to try telepathy-msn-pecan and vote to graduate it?12:24
zaheermfelipec, did you put a new package of it in?12:25
felipeczaheerm: yes12:25
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MohammadAGfelipec, does it support usernames instead of emails as the usernames?12:26
zaheermfelipec,  0.1.0~rc2-0maemo6 kept on connecting to msn and disconnecting in a loop, but version before was fine12:26
felipecMohammadAG: you mean nicknames for your contact list?12:27
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MohammadAGfelipec, nicknames for myself12:27
Jaffamgedmin: Not urgent12:27
fralsany msn plugin support mpop yet?12:28
mgedminJaffa, you've piqued my curiosity now.  What is it?12:28
MohammadAGit always uses *@live/hotmail.com12:28
felipeczaheerm: I don't recall any change that might have triggered that =/12:28
zaheermfelipec, you want some debug output?12:29
felipecMohammadAG: yeah, it supports that12:29
felipeczaheerm: yeah, you know how to get it?12:29
MohammadAGfelipec, will try it in a bit12:29
zaheermfelipec, no clue :)12:29
felipeczaheerm: disable the account(s), run on the console HAZE_PERSIST=1 HAZE_DEBUG=all /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-pecan, enable the account12:31
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ifreqfelipec: :)12:31
redfelipec: are you abandonin the integrated version of pecan and going with a app version instead?12:32
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* w00t waves12:33
zaheermfelipec, it ends with a segfault!12:33
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redzaheerm: as a user?12:33
felipecred: sorry? the integrated version is just updated12:33
zaheermyes as user12:34
redfelipec: I was just wondering why telepathy :)12:34
acidjazzDownload Dir: 2.62 GB - Complete Dir: 2.62 GB - Download speed: 9089.38 KB/s - Queued: 910.69/1384.86 MB12:34
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felipecred: because it rocks :) and it's the one needed if you want the stuff to be integrated into the system's conversation stuff12:35
MohammadAGfelipec, erm nope, it uses my email as the screen name12:36
ifreqacidjazz: nntp?12:36
felipecred: but you mean you want Pidgin's support on the N900 too?12:36
redoh, I thought it was for some application that uses msn too. So I need to uninstall the msn-pecan and install telepathy-msn-pecan?12:36
MohammadAGfelipec, even if i change it, it goes back to normal12:36
acidjazzifreq: webpass internet in san francisco for $35/mo12:36
acidjazzfear _that_12:36
redfor the update12:36
ifreqacidjazz: i wasnt interested bout the speed.. asked what you download.. was it via nntp12:37
ifreqacidjazz: ive got 110/5 cheap @home eurodocsis :P12:37
ifreqacidjazz: yes.. i use the same.. thats why i asked12:37
ifreqseemd so familiar12:37
acidjazzthe best right? :)12:37
felipecMohammadAG: right... I wonder why it's reset... I thought mission-control was supposed to keep it12:37
acidjazzi use giganews12:37
ifreqacidjazz: yeah same ;P12:37
ifreqacidjazz: what for searcheng?12:38
ifreqnewzbin here..12:38
acidjazzwhats ur dl service12:39
Jaffamgedmin: It was about me trying to create a bookmarklet or something which'd take you to "about 5 seconds ago" on the #maemo IRC log12:39
ifreqacidjazz: its nice to bookmark shit @ work and shit gets dl @ home12:39
ifreqacidjazz: search eng/dl is newzbin12:39
Jaffamgedmin: So a sort of ongoing anchor in the log for "a bit ago"12:39
acidjazzso that doesnt interest you i hit 100mb/s ? :)12:39
ifreqacidjazz: nope :D12:39
acidjazzare you using greasemonkey12:39
acidjazzno? u get faster?12:39
ifreqacidjazz: no no the same.. sabnzbd on osx12:39
ifreqi get prob the same with 110M dl line12:39
acidjazzat home?12:40
acidjazzwhat isp and how much12:40
felipecred: msn-pecan is supported on the N900 through telepathy-msn-pecan12:40
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ifreq110/5 crappy upload but no need to12:40
acidjazzwhat isp12:40
ifreqacidjazz: its in finland.. . docsis 3.0.. and price is 54 eur/month12:40
tybollt54 EUR?12:40
ifreqit should go faster in future.. ppl are testing 200M as we speak12:41
* tybollt pitty the fool12:41
ifreqtybollt: well its not bad for working one ;)12:41
ifreqtybollt: ive got 4 diff WAN @home12:41
ifreq2 pays company 2 i pay myself12:41
ifreqi wont run out of internet accesss12:41
acidjazzso htats $75 us12:41
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acidjazzifreq: so i pay 22 eur/month12:41
tybolltifreq: You're serious about your intarwebz connections >:)12:41
ifreqtybollt: yeah, well 2 are for free so :P12:42
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ifreqone is 3G and 110/5 is cable12:42
ifreqone wireless 450MHz and one is adsl12:42
acidjazzalso docsis 3.0 ifreq 50M/s12:42
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tybolltifreq: I have two as well, one company and then a 3g dongle for missus to use while out'n about12:42
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tybolltmy home connection is 10/100mbit12:42
ifreqacidjazz: i love the nntp stuff.. used half year now :)12:43
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napoHi all!12:43
acidjazzifreq: are you using greasemonkey w/ the sabtab plugin?12:43
acidjazzoh dood12:43
acidjazzyou _have_ to get that12:43
napoSomebody know if is possible use the Ovi data maps with navit on N900?12:43
ifreqonly sab12:43
ifreqwhy acidjazz ?12:43
acidjazzyou go to newzbin12:43
ifreqacidjazz: i dont need such..12:43
acidjazzits a new tab12:43
acidjazzyes you do12:43
acidjazzyou click it in newzbin12:44
acidjazzboom done12:44
ifreqsab can poll newzbin for bookmarks12:44
ifreqi tick bookmarks on newzbin12:44
ifreqand voila12:44
ifreqcoulndt be simpler12:44
acidjazzyou psat hte bookmark into sab12:44
ifreqso i can do it @work12:44
ifreqnope. not paste.. click it12:44
ifreqnad sab polls it remotely from newzbin12:44
acidjazzread that url i gave you12:44
ifreqread allready12:45
tybolltwhy did N00ki never make a desktop stand/charger/usb-multiplexer for their phones? I find that odd12:45
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ifreqacidjazz: mostly statistics, i cant see them anyways.. as i  mostly tag bookmarks while @work. :)12:45
ifreqused such addon before i discovered i can bookmark shit12:45
acidjazzyou can like select 50 thing and just hit the tab  button all get sent12:47
acidjazzand its built into ff12:47
acidjazzyou just give it the sab server info and login12:47
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TheNewAndyI have a program which uses g_module (a wrapper around dlopen) to load some functionality at runtime.12:47
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TheNewAndyit works fine on my (x86) desktop, but when I run it on the n900, the12:47
TheNewAndyplugins can't be loaded, because they can't find the symbols in the12:48
acidjazzifreq: greasemonkey is supported by n90012:48
TheNewAndymain part of the program.12:48
acidjazzifreq: so i can send nzb's to my sabnzbd media server via my phone12:48
TheNewAndyDoes anyone know if I need to annotate functions to get their symbols12:49
TheNewAndyto be found? (and why this is different on arm?)12:49
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CorsacTheNewAndy: maybe you didn't pass the correct prefix or something?12:50
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TheNewAndyCorsac, what do you mean by prefix? (I know it is definitely finding the .so files I want it to find though)12:50
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Corsachmhm is the so is found, then I don't know12:52
dproTheNewAndy: but what you describe sounds more like the plugin not finding it's dependencies ...12:52
TheNewAndyso to be clear, I wrote the plugin, and the main application12:52
TheNewAndythe plugin is not finding dependencies, but they live in the main application12:53
* dpro is just stabbing in the dark here12:53
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* TheNewAndy appreciates it (I'm assuming it will just be me being dumb :))12:53
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dvoid_anyone know where i can get an n900 in sweden? ...without having to wait for a month or two :S12:55
ifreqacidjazz: well im not in such hurry man :D12:55
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redAnyone know any software to manage a SQL database remotely? (via SSH for example)12:56
TheNewAndyso, running objdump -T on the executable, I can confirm that those symbols are missing12:56
redI could always go commandline/emacs but looking for a easy solution with GUI for creating tables fast etc12:56
TriztN900timeless_mbp: sorry for messing up things on bug 8330, got a bit confused as what happen when I deleted songs with big5 encoding and I dont have support for that char setup so easy to confuse files when you really don't know the name12:59
povbotBug Delete track from Media Player12:59
TheNewAndy... and I think the problem is that I'm not passing --export-dynamic... which I think means it is solved enough for now :)13:00
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acidjazzifreq: its just _cool_13:00
acidjazzu konw whats lol13:00
acidjazzthat hte ipad still doesnt multitask13:01
acidjazzu cant run more than 1 app at a time13:01
* VDVsx -> heheh -
acidjazzVDVsx: fake right13:01
acidjazzlol over 900013:01
acidjazzi love how its still 800x48013:01
VDVsxyes of course13:02
ifreqipad cant multitask its based  on itouch/iphone os13:02
ifreqbut on 4.0 it prob can13:02
acidjazzoh 4.0 eh13:02
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TriztN900I wonder if the A4 is pin compatible with 7447A13:04
dvoid_Brumle, omg , kikade senast igår, då hadde dom inga :P13:04
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ShadowJKwhat the hell is A4 anyway13:04
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hrwShadowJK: yet another cortex-a9 based arm soc13:05
TriztN900the new powerpc cpu from apple13:05
ShadowJKhuh, arm or ppc?13:05
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GeneralAntillesTriztN900, it's an ARM SoC.13:06
GeneralAntillesNo, it is not pin-compatible with a PPC CPU.13:06
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TriztN900is it? thought it would be the ppc tha PA Semi almost released befor apple13:06
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GeneralAntillesCortex A913:07
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* TriztN900 ain't much for apple13:07
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GeneralAntillesI'm interested to see how that Mali performs.13:08
VDVsxapple bought a 'processors/chip' company a while ago13:08
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Ask JamieBennett? :)13:09
TriztN900VDVsx: PA Semi13:09
GeneralAntillesI'm really surprised that anybody is going to market with an A9 this early, honestly.13:09
VDVsxTriztN900, , that one :)13:09
CorsacGeneralAntilles: aren't there any A9 already available?13:10
hrwGeneralAntilles: isn't snapdragon also a9?13:10
CorsacI think so13:10
Corsacand nexus one too?13:10
GeneralAntillesWould be a new development.13:10
Corsacerf, nexus one has snapdragon indeed13:11
GeneralAntillesCorsac, Nexus One is A8.13:11
GeneralAntilleshrw, I think the A9 Snapdragons are sampling, but don't think anybody is shipping them yet.13:12
ShadowJKAnd now people on #maemo-users are calling it a snapdragon...13:12
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VDVsxiSh** is also a sanpdragon, it seems13:12
* ShadowJK thought snapdragon was "A8-like" and not actual cortex a813:12
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GeneralAntillesShadowJK, #maemo-users or -users?13:12
ShadowJKthe mailing list13:12
VDVsxthere's a maemo-users channel ?13:12
ShadowJKI didn't know there was a irc channel like that13:12
GeneralAntillesAh, the mailing list is a cess pool.13:12
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, there isn't.13:12
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GeneralAntillesAt least, not so far as I'm aware.13:13
MistaEDyay now i can type again, if it hasn't been said yet, the snapdragon doesn't use powervr tech it's AMD-based afaik13:13
ShadowJKMy guess what they mean with "A8-like" is that it's armv7 compliant, but that doesn't say anything about its performance :/13:13
GeneralAntillesI'd really like to see TI shift to ARM for GPU cores in the future.13:13
hrwGeneralAntilles: tx13:14
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, yeah, I recall the same. Not sure what it means, exactly.13:14
ShadowJKARM has GPU cores?13:14
MistaEDapple might not be able to use snapdragon, all those iphone/touch titles would be designed for powervr *shrugs*13:14
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GeneralAntillesShadowJK, Mali.13:14
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, PA Semi's A4 is using it.13:14
plastunhello! Does N900 supports screen keyboard in portrait mode?13:14
GeneralAntillesARM demoed it at the end of Summer last year.13:14
zaheermMistaED, they're designed for gl es 1.113:14
GeneralAntillesplastun, short answer, no, long answer, yes.13:14
plastunwhy no and why yes?13:15
zaheermlong answer 1 letter longer than short one13:15
ShadowJKI think in practice they're designed for PowerVR as none of the se Opengl es things seem compatible with eachother... or rather, lack bug to bug compatibility :)13:15
Stskeepsplastun: there's a fkb package source for that purpose13:15
GeneralAntillesplastun, it's not built-in, but HIM is open source and I believe there are a couple of portrait input plugins floating around.13:15
GeneralAntillesplastun, so you could hack something together.13:15
zaheermShadowJK, well theyre pad uses a mali gpu13:15
plastunok, i'll see13:15
MistaEDzaheerm: yes but there are extensions only used on PVR like their texture format, some games might need to be ported over13:16
infobotzaheerm meant: ShadowJK, well their pad uses a mali gpu13:16
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* GeneralAntilles can't decide what to cook for breakfast.13:16
w00tGeneralAntilles: children13:16
MistaEDzaheerm: mali what brand is that?13:16
Stskeepssoylent green13:16
w00tStskeeps: wtf.13:16
GeneralAntillesw00t, plum out.13:16
w00tGeneralAntilles: aw. I'll ship you a few13:17
ShadowJKEven with normal GL something that runs beautifully on an nvidia card might not work at all on ATI and intel, for example.. and those are huge huge volume compared to OpenGL ES things..13:17
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zaheermMistaED, it is licensed by arm13:18
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KhertanHi guys13:19
GeneralAntillesThe OpenGL ES stuff really needs a new demo.13:19
GeneralAntillesThat stupid robot samurai is old and lame.13:19
Khertandoes there is a simple way to use opengl es from python ?13:19
crashanddieit's a graphics demo13:20
crashanddieit's old and lame ten minutes after it came out13:20
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, yeah, but that was, like, 3 years ago.13:20
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crashanddiemy point exactly13:20
VDVsxoh, seems that Nokia increased market share in 2009 0_013:20
crashanddieVDVsx: no they didn't13:21
crashanddieVDVsx: they lost 15%13:21
crashanddieor something13:21
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VDVsxcrashanddie, market share, not profit13:21
MistaEDKhertan i'm trying to port panda3d right now to fremantle but the EGL context window won't work :(13:21
crashanddieVDVsx: yes, that's what I said13:22
MistaEDpanda3d has python bindings :)13:22
crashanddieoh wow, I has a raise13:22
MistaEDsoftware rendering works though if you want 2fps on a single triangle13:22
asj_you're confusing smart phone market share vs all13:22
crashanddiefor a company that clearly shows they want to go into services, selling more low-end phones is of no use13:23
VDVsxcrashanddie, "Based on our preliminary market estimate, Nokia's mobile device market share for the fourth quarter 2009 was 39%, compared with 37% in the fourth quarter 2008 and 38% in the third quarter 2009."13:23
asj_crashanddie: sure, it pays the bills13:23
VDVsxof course, that's due to low end devices13:24
crashanddieVDVsx: that's hardly growth, I'm pretty sure they lost a lot in ENA13:24
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asj_aka, there's no reasn to stop milking the cow before she's dry13:24
crashanddieactually, there is13:24
asj_crashanddie: no, it just leads to mastitis ;)13:25
crashanddieyou're better off starting trading butter using your neighbour's cows when you know your cows are nearly dead, cuz the day they're dead, and you stop providing milk from your own cow, your neighbour will be selling milk and butter from his own cows, leaving you screwed13:25
tybolltthanks for the anal(ogy)13:26
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asj_tybollt: you're milking the wrong part of the cow13:26
crashanddieyes, "nokia" is the synonym for "mobile phone" in india/pakistan, no, nokia will not survive if they bet solely on having a few flagship devices in the highend, and a lot of low-end devices in emerging markets13:27
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asj_mmm, right apple has shown you just need one on the high end ;)13:28
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tybolltcrashanddie: nokia needs to release mobile phones that work, not that "half work" well months into its product cycle13:28
tybolltcrashanddie: like, would apple sell an iphone NOT compatible to app store? No13:28
crashanddieoh fuck off if you're going to use any discussion to moan about the n90013:28
tybolltcrashanddie: does nokia sell their N900 NOT compatible to their appstore? Yes.13:28
tybolltheh :)13:29
timeless_mbptybollt: app store13:29
timeless_mbpyou act like it's a serious project13:29
timeless_mbpit's an ovi store13:29
timeless_mbpit sells doors13:29
timeless_mbpmade of rotten wood :)13:29
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crashanddieseriously, sell it off, if you want I'll set up a fund so that moaners can get their change back13:29
tybollttimeless_mbp: just whining really :)13:29
crashanddiebut just get the fuck out13:29
crashanddieeither be productive or leave13:29
timeless_mbpcan someone please help me?13:29
timeless_mbpsvn is complaining that i have a stuck lock13:30
crashanddieno, I don't sell jewish girls13:30
asj_the way the n900 launched I'm not sure the ovi store is relevant (it's not like the app manager doesn't have a ton of apps)13:30
* GeneralAntilles still wants to know how they plan on protecting paid content.13:30
crashanddietimeless: time for some wd-40?13:30
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: easy13:31
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: generate unique key per device, and as people pay, add said key to the ~/.htaccess!13:31
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I don't care how YOU plan to do it. :P13:31
GeneralAntillesI want to know how NOKIA plans to do it.13:31
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asj_GeneralAntilles: chmod 000 after you install it ;)13:32
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X-FadeThere is the Ovi SSO plugin.13:32
X-FadeSo maybe that can be leveraged?13:32
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: actually, my plans might just be the best thing that ever happened to this platform :P13:32
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: I'll allow for open content, using the same debian-based repository infrastructure, yet make sure that applications which require licensing can leverage it ;)13:32
crashanddiebow before my awesomeness13:33
crashanddieX-Fade: can you /cs access #maemo add crashanddie13:34
crashanddieor add "op", whatever the command is13:34
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X-Fadecrashanddie: Yes, try your powers...13:35
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X-Fadecrashanddie: So you are our far south east mod now ;)13:36
crashanddiethanks :)13:36
crashanddieI am indeed13:36
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X-FadeHelps to have different timezones represented.13:36
crashanddiewas the only reason I accepted13:36
X-FadeOh, I'm sure :)13:36
crashanddiethat and GeneralAntilles is such a good lover13:36
dvoid_\o/  i just ordered an n90013:37
dvoid_everyone do the n900 dance13:37
crashanddieX-Fade: I don't need op powers to feel my epeen grow, I have enough of an ego to barely fit in this 14 storey hotel ;)13:37
dvoid_\o/   \\o   \o/   o//13:37
crashanddiedvoid_: grats13:37
glass_man, you're fat13:38
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X-Fadecrashanddie: lol13:38
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fralshmm, what package do i need for gst-launch?13:41
crashanddiejust rang a buddy on skype, after 30 seconds of ringtone he answers: "Hey sebastian, I'm kinda sleeping right now" "What? What time is it now at your place" "Well, next time you might want to check, new zealand isn't exactly in the same timezone as you, it's twenty to one"13:41
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asj_crashanddie: yes it is almost 1am13:44
crashanddiewell I didn't know13:44
crashanddieI'm thinking: "Meh, queensland, tasmania, new zealand, all in the same area"13:45
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asj_crashanddie: kinda like europe is all somewhere you can drive around in a day or two13:45
crashanddiehey give me a break, I just arrived two weeks ago13:46
asj_arrived where?13:46
crashanddieand he should've updated his skype timezone properly after moving from london13:46
asj_crashanddie: you have red hair?13:46
crashanddieluckily, no13:47
asj_huh ok13:47
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, aww.13:47
crashanddieyeah, the ginge isn't too well appreciated in oz, is it?13:47
asj_crashanddie: btw, perth or some 3 hours behind too13:47
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crashanddieasj_: yeah, I knew about perth, also know that canberra/sydney are one hour behind as well13:48
crashanddiebecause queensland doesn't have daytime savings13:48
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crashanddieoh, and for the record: this is where I live now:
asj_crashanddie: which one is 30 minutes behind13:50
redDoes files work like dropbox?13:51
redlike autosyncing between pc and server13:51
GeneralAntillesGotta love Australia13:53
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GeneralAntillesIt's all the worst parts of US and British legal systems and politics combined into one place.13:53
tybolltGeneralAntilles: that bad? :)13:54
lardmanI'm not sure US and British legal systems should be mentioned in the same sentance thank you very much13:55
El_Angelocan i get root without installing anything from the repo's ?13:55
crashanddienot sure anyone should try to be sarcastic when spelling "sentance"13:55
lardmanneed a spellchecker13:56
Khertan --->
Khertanstill needs some optimisation frame per second drop when too many object is display on the screen13:57
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* w00t shakes fist at GeneralAntilles13:58
GeneralAntillesKhertan, sweet.13:58
crashanddie"Seriously, can anyone really compare the creaky, rigid-looking iPhone OS 3.2 to the flexibility and functionality of a full-blown Maemo device? Can you say "multitasking"? How about compatibility with industry-standard technologies? Flash? Connectivity? The realistic capability to replace your desktop/laptop/netbook?"13:58
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w00tthe reputation of my country of birth shall not suffer any tarnishing from you while i'm on duty!13:58
* tybollt know little about aussie legal system outside of what "Prisoner" taught me >:)13:59
KhertanGeneralAntilles: thx13:59
rangecrashanddie: That's why fenenc drops flash now, I guess :)13:59
crashanddiefennec stinks13:59
GeneralAntillesw00t, hit me with your best shot.13:59
Khertancrashanddie: haha ... remember me ... what is the cpu ?13:59
lardmancrashanddie: it lacks an i- prefix ;)13:59
w00tGeneralAntilles: hehe13:59
lardmanGeneralAntilles: I'll wade in too, being half Australian and all13:59
w00tlardman: you are? cool :P14:00
lardmaneven if I can't spell these days ;)14:00
lardmanyeah, Mum's Aussie14:00
* w00t nods14:00
crashanddieThere was an n800 on eBay, on the back the guy had carved "iHate"14:00
* GeneralAntilles just had an egg salad sandwich for breakfast.14:00
w00tGeneralAntilles: tasty?14:00
GeneralAntillesw00t, that it was.14:00
tybolltGeneralAntilles: was it good?14:00
tybolltGeneralAntilles: what did you drink?14:00
GeneralAntillestybollt, nothing yet.14:01
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: you do realise that challenging an aussie to a "shot" is the same as asking a small canadian village for a drinking contest14:01
tybollt.oO(are we attending generaA's interactive blog? ;)14:01
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w00tcrashanddie: <grin>14:01
GeneralAntillestybollt, I don't blog, I just monologue on IRC.14:01
crashanddietybollt: it's "GeneralAntilles"14:01
crashanddiew00t: where you from?14:01
tybolltGeneralAntilles: fair enough =)14:02
w00tcrashanddie: that's a tricky question14:02
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crashanddiew00t: heh, I know the answer to that14:02
w00tcrashanddie: if you mean where I was born, Australia14:02
crashanddiew00t: where were you born?14:02
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w00teast coast, a few hours south of sydney14:02
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crashanddiew00t: did you celebrate australia day?14:05
tybollthmm a 900 review up on the Inq14:05
crashanddieJaffa: code progressing slowly14:05
crashanddieJaffa: but cracked wifi network now, so have connectivity in hotel room14:05
w00tcrashanddie: I marked the occasion, I didn't really celebrate.. bit hard to do that on my own14:05
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crashanddieso I'm starting to think that most big companies have been missing the target quite a bit on most "big anticipated launches"14:06
crashanddiereception to the n900 was moot14:06
crashanddiegoogle wave is a fag14:07
asj_crashanddie: you mean invasion day? ;)14:07
anidelhi Seb14:07
infobotcrashanddie meant: google wave is a fad14:07
crashanddiehey Aniello14:07
crashanddieiPad is ridiculous14:07
tybolltthat it truely is14:07
crashanddievista 2 seems pretty moot as well14:07
anidelI love how the iPad arrived in ALL our houses with almost 0$ spent in ADs14:07
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reddoes anyone know if \ works as a escape character in SQL?14:08
redentering some tracknames into tables that have 's in the middle14:08
crashanddieasj_: I asked 8 different people what Australia Day represented14:08
anidela friend of mine just told me "it's amazing, it's like a Star Trek device".. and I told him "Lenovo, MSI and others already announced ipad-like devices" and he replied "oh.. really?"14:08
redlike Don\'t14:08
anidelMarketing.. amazing stuff14:08
rednotepad++ fucks up the syntax hilighitng but pastebin suggests it works14:08
GeneralAntillesanidel, don't fight the RDF.14:09
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crashanddiered: escape character for what?14:09
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crashanddiered: and which database are we talking about?14:09
redcrashanddie: SQL :)14:09
anidelGeneralAntilles, RDF?14:09
redheres an example14:09
crashanddiered: that is not a database14:09
crashanddiethat's a language14:09
redMySQL :p14:09
GeneralAntillesanidel, Reality Distortion Field14:09
crashanddieto access a database, each database has its own understanding of it14:09
anidelGeneralAntilles, eheh I won't14:09
redcrashanddie: INSERT INTO songs ( id, name, time, album_id ) VALUES ( '202203', 'Don\'t Ask Me No Questions', '3:26', '22' );14:10
crashanddieyou're an idiot14:10
fluxred, use '' for quoting '. 'hello''world'14:10
crashanddiethat's not SQL14:10
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Wolfieflux: isn't that really database specific?14:10
crashanddieWolfie: it is14:10
fluxwolfie, could be. worth a shot, however, and postgresql is somewhat standards compliant :)14:11
crashanddiered: that's string escaping, has nothing to do with the database14:11
redcrashanddie: sorry for being an idiot then, guess I've understood the terms wrong.14:11
dymaxionhi, does anyone know on the N900 anywya to pair with anotoher phone and browse their filesystem as you woudl on a desktop OS ?14:11
redflux: so instead of \' use double ''14:11
anidelneed to get some lunch.. later14:11
Wolfieflux: everything is "somewhat" standards compliant. The problem is that they all comply to the standards in the different bits14:11
crashanddiered: no, where is this going to be executed?14:11
fluxbut apparently \-quoting should work in mysql14:11
crashanddiered: in a programming language, or directly in a sql client connected to the db?14:11
fluxhowever, mysql supports ''-quoting as well14:11
Wolfieflux: you should anyways use either prepared statements, or let the db's native API escape it14:12
flux - documentation, what a amazing concept! :-P14:12
asj_I think dismissing the iPad (which sure is a lame name) is a mistake, it's not just the the form factor which sucks when everyone else does it, but it's making the OS and hardware work well together.  Xp/vista/etc is horrible on a tablet14:12
crashanddiered: next time, google it14:12
redcrashanddie: using emacs to build up some SELECT clauses14:12
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redWell I did, but having my terms mixed up the results were.. not what I was looking for :)14:12
redI'll just bugger off, sorry for ot14:13
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kirmathe market which ipad can truly cause trouble are portable multimedia players14:14
Wolfieasj_: i think the best thing to say about the iPad is that if it didn't make you all warm and giddy inside, it's not designed for you.14:14
crashanddiered: mysql has a very good manual, it's probably one of the only very good things about it14:14
Wolfiebecause it's designed for all those who get this warm and giddy feeling inside, and nobody else14:14
kirmasimilar to ipod/iphone on portable audio players14:14
Wolfieand that has worked for Apple since... well, since the first macs came14:15
w00tWolfie: I would have more simply said it's designed for people with more money than sense, but I suppose that works14:15
crashanddieWolfie: oh bugger off14:15
kirmabut that's it, unless apple opens up the possibilities on next major upgrade (software or hardware)14:15
asj_Wolfie: I donnu, but this 50c degree on my lap at the moment is making parts of my warm...14:15
crashanddieWolfie: the iPod was made *everyone*, or nearly14:15
asj_this 50c degree laptop14:15
SpeedEvil50 degree laptop?14:15
SpeedEvilWon't that fall off?14:15
crashanddiesay goodbye to your kids14:15
Wolfiecrashanddie: nope, it wasn't. It was _liked_ by nearly everyone, and that's a big difference14:16
Wolfiecrashanddie: if it was made for "everyone", nobody would've liked it14:16
SpeedEvilI do hope it has a proper phone mode.14:16
w00tasj_: then get a better laptop14:16
Wolfiejust see all those one-size-fits-all clothes14:16
SpeedEvilI would love a million Dom Jollys to be walking around.14:16
Wolfiew00t: i sense some trolling present14:16
w00tWolfie: no, you sense common sense14:17
w00tWolfie: if your laptop is reaching 50C, then there is something wrong with it14:17
* GeneralAntilles misses the magic Apple once possessed.14:17
RST38hWell, rumors of Nokia's demise were somewhat premature:
asj_Wolfie: me?14:17
GeneralAntillesThat's an unpleasant disillusionment.14:17
kirmain apple fanboys' opinion, it's persons' own fault if iphone doesn't fit to his needs...14:17
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RST38hGeneral" It is not Apple, it is you no longer willing to be fooled14:17
kirmabut it doesn't really matter to apple that their users are idiots as long as they pay too much for stuff.14:17
crashanddiekirma: that sentence is so wrong on so many levels14:17
Wolfiew00t: so, if you, the w00t knew that it's against common sense what iPad does, why do you think Apple never sensed that, but still launched the gear?14:17
crashanddiecan we please stop the Apple bashing?14:18
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, the company has changed a lot in the last 5 years.14:18
Wolfieasj_: no, w00t.14:18
w00tWolfie: ..because they are human.14:18
Wolfiew00t: happy trolling14:18
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kirmacrashanddie: potentially.14:18
w00tWolfie: .. right, say hello to my ignore list14:18
RST38hHas always been about the same if you ask me14:19
crashanddiew00t & Wolfie: enough14:19
RST38hWell, pre-Jobs was obviously different a bit14:19
crashanddiew00t & Wolfie: both of you14:19
w00tcrashanddie: I'm already done. That's what the ignore list is for.14:19
crashanddieRST38h: before or after he made shitloads of money at pixar? ;)14:19
w00tcrashanddie: I don't tend to bother with people who accuse me of trolling without even understanding what I'm saying :)14:19
Khertan pre jobs ? you post jobs :)14:19
Khertan pre jobs ? you mean post jobs :)14:19
GeneralAntillesRST38h, not really. The whole Apple Computer -> Apple, Inc summarizes my issues with the company's new direction rather nicely.14:19
Khertanof pre  newjobs :)14:20
w00tGeneralAntilles: that's a strategy move, though14:20
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w00tGeneralAntilles: 'computing' (really the wrong term, but anyway) is a lot more pervasive than it was, obviously14:20
GeneralAntillesw00t, one that, unfortunately, doesn't line up with what I liked about them before the move.14:20
GeneralAntillesw00t, their whole mobile business, the media stuff.14:20
w00tGeneralAntilles: I'm confused14:21
GeneralAntillesIf they had managed to take Newton tech and combine it with a more OS X-like experience for the iPhone or the iPad I would've been all over that.14:21
w00tGeneralAntilles: you're saying that they took a new direction, away from general computing, which you liked, but don't like?14:21
Jaffacrashanddie: Seen the hacky bookmarklets for IRC & mailing lists on
GeneralAntillesApple's mobile platforms and ecosystems are much more locked down than their desktop stuff.14:21
WolfieGeneralAntilles: but macs haven't changed since their renaming of the company, haven't they? I mean, sure, disagree with their overall business plan, but Macs are still Macs, afaik14:21
GeneralAntillesw00t, I don't like their mobile and media pursuits.14:22
crashanddieJaffa: hang on, wiki is dying a small death14:22
* asj_ goes to bed14:23
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, can you set +R on -devel?14:23
vldcnst"I don't have to change myself to fit the product, it fits me" << LAME14:23
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SpeedEvilBeing able to pick something up and use it immediately is awesome.14:24
GeneralAntillesIt's no fun14:24
GeneralAntillesand the romance ends after the first week or so.14:25
pekujause it immediately? my iPod Touch wouldn't do anything before I installed iTunes and plugged the device in via USB14:25
pekuja(I know that's not what you meant)14:26
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VDVsxGeneralAntilles, probably, what do you need ? :)14:28
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, it's getting botspam.14:29
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RST38hcrash: After, of coure14:33
RST38hGeneral: To me, as a non-expert, even Apple's desktop platforms are pretty locked down14:34
RST38hStarting with the old MacOS and its peculiar memory management issues14:34
crashanddiethey are?14:34
* RST38h is not an expert in Macs, so it may just be an impression14:34
crashanddieslauwers_mbp:Downloads slauwers$ uptime14:34
crashanddie22:34  up 17 days, 18:52, 2 users, load averages: 0.50 0.27 0.2814:34
crashanddieand still 800 megs free on a 2gb mbp14:35
crashanddieI bring it to work, have it run full day (it goes to sleep when not used), and I don't need to charge it (it runs off battery power whole day)14:35
hrwJaffa: suggestion for catorise I have14:36
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hrwJaffa: let it ignore self-created desktop files... "Unknown desktop file: /usr/share/applications/hildon/calendar.catorise.desktop" is annoying14:37
crashanddieJaffa: the wiki focuses a lot on twitter14:37
crashanddieJaffa: I haven't been thinking at all in those terms14:37
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crashanddieJaffa: I need a cig, think this over14:40
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crashanddieJaffa: I won't be able to do the "immediate responder" in PHP14:40
crashanddieso I'd recommend an indexer in whatever language we have handy that can run on the server14:41
crashanddieor a cron job to the php page14:41
crashanddieevery 5 minutes or something14:41
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crashanddietaking mobile with me, give me a call if you want to talk it over (if you can, guessing you;re at work)14:42
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mgedminI miss the old maemo 4 half-screen virtual keyboard ...14:43
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w00tI must admit, the virtual keyboard annoys the hell out of me14:44
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redif you are using it without a keyboard, you prolly have stylus in hand14:47
redand the screen is precise :p14:47
w00tI don't use the stylus (really)14:47
redbut Maemo 5 virtual keyboard is butterfingers mode =)14:47
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w00tthe main reason I get annoyed, to be honest, is that it's occasionally a bit weird - sometimes it won't appear when I want it, other times, it's too sensitive at triggering.. and when it does appear, the animation makes it seem a bit slow14:48
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w00tbut it's not like I'm going to go insane about it or anything, it's just an annoyance14:48
redhope when they implement the portrait mode virtual keyboard, it's gonna be at tops half a screen, preferrably 1/314:48
w00tdo you really think that will happen, though?14:48
redheres for hoping :)14:49
mgedminfwiw I used to use the old vkb without a stylus14:49
GeneralAntillesRST38h, Mac OS X isn't really locked down at all.14:49
w00tportrait (as has been said repeatedly) isn't exactly a designed for use case14:49
mgedminmy fingernails are small enough14:49
w00tmgedmin: *nod*14:49
mgedminbiggest annoyance with current vkb (other than the inconvenience of e.g. typing ,) is that there's no way to open it in xterm14:49
mgedminwithout clicking somewhere on screen14:49
mgedminwhich, e.g. moves my cursor position in vim14:50
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, biggest annoyance is that they fscking broke it in PR1.1.14:50
mgedminanother annoyance is that if you type 'foo' and press enter, the 'enter' is stripped off14:50
mgedminbroke it how, GeneralAntilles?14:50
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, gestures don't work anymore.14:50
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mgedminooh, true14:51
mgedminI didn't notice14:51
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mgedminI wouldn't say "broke", I'd say "changed"14:51
* w00t looks curious14:51
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, gestures are now non-existent.14:51
mgedminwhich translates to "broke" only for those people who were used to the old idiosyncratic gestures feature14:51
mgedminI liked that feature too, btw14:51
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w00t*what* feature?14:51
GeneralAntillesw00t, ever since OS2005, you could swipe up, down or back/forth to shift, newline or delete.14:52
mgedminbut I'm cursed by the ability to see the other guy's point of view14:52
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, it's broken.14:52
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, the new system isn't an improvement.14:52
GeneralAntillesIt slowed down my typing dramatically.14:52
mgedminI can see use cases where it is14:52
w00tGeneralAntilles: is there a bug?14:52
mgedmin"oops my big fat finger missed the right key, but I see which one I hit and I can drag without releasing to fix it to be the right key"14:52
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mgedminafaiu it now works the same way as iPhone's vkb14:53
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GeneralAntillesWhich isn't an improvement.14:53
mgedminwhich is probably setting the industry standards due to its popularity14:53
povbotBug 7391: Keyboard gestures no longer work14:53
w00tI'd argue it's more *obvious* at least14:53
javispedroon which it may make sense since buttons are small and touchscreen is imprecise.14:53
GeneralAntillesAt least making it configurable wouldn't making virtual input COMPLETELY USELESS for me.14:53
w00tit is a shame that a feature vanished totally, though, without a replacement14:53
GeneralAntillesBut Nokia always removes or breaks things in virtual input with each update14:54
hrwbug #739114:54
povbotBug Keyboard gestures no longer work14:54
GeneralAntillesSo I'm totally not surprised.14:54
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javispedropoor povbot14:54
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javispedropovbot: ping14:54
hrwbug #739114:54
jabisGeneralAntilles: ya talking 'bout n900 perhaps? ^^14:54
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mgedminthere's a timeout so povbot won't keep repeating the same link if the same bug is mentioned several times in 10 minutes or so14:55
mgedminbug 123414:55
povbotBug close-buttons on home menu are too small14:55
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, can you get him to spit out URLs in #maemo-bugs?14:55
w00tI wonder if swipe working in the text display only would be a workable compromise14:55
hrwbug #739114:55
* mgedmin kinda HATES supybot14:56
mgedminGeneralAntilles, any other channels too?14:56
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, don't think so.14:57
mgedminwhy not?14:57
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xtsupybot is lovely14:57
mgedminconfig file edited, now how do I tell supybot to reload it?14:58
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, is the question whether there are any other channels he's not working in or that we want him in?14:58
mgedminpovbot logs a few channels that are not maemo-related14:59
povbotmgedmin: Error: "logs" is not a valid command.14:59
mgedminspewing maemo bug links there would not be appreciated, I think14:59
jabismgedmin: just tell it to "reload" :)15:00
mgedminany chances of getting nokia to donate a bit of space on a server for irc logs?15:00
tekojomgedmin how much and where?15:00
mgedminreload reloads a plugin, not its config15:00
X-Fademgedmin: I should be able to setup a sync.15:00
mgedmintekojo, currently the irc logs are under 300 megs, I believe15:00
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mgedminmy uplink is painfully slow (ADSL, maybe 512 Kbit/s)15:01
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tekojoX-Fade or someone else can handle that after a weeks vacation15:01
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X-Fademgedmin: If you can stay the origin, I can set a mirror up on
alteregoGeneralAntilles: any DDP news? :)15:01
mgedminX-Fade, let's talk about that later; I'm supposed to work now15:01
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X-Fademgedmin: Sure, you know where to find me ;)15:02
GeneralAntillesalterego, device queue, you mean?15:02
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jabismgedmin, without any additional params, it should reload the user & channel db's and whatnot15:03
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, did you see bug #8450?15:03
povbotBug Add remaining IRC cloaks15:03
mgedminmaybe I have an old version, jabis?15:03
* GeneralAntilles was tempted to add an IRC component.15:03
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Yes, but you are not at 20 yet ;)15:03
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ah, I see how it is. ;)15:04
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I'll request those tomorrow, ok?15:04
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, cool.15:04
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GeneralAntillesOtherwise I'll just pad it out to 20 with some of my cronies. ;)15:04
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vldcnstWhat do you guys use for transferring data from n900 to pc?15:09
vldcnstOver wireless, ofc.15:09
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zaheermscp / rsync15:09
alteregognome has great sftp incorporation :)15:10
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Shrik3rsync over ssh15:13
Shrik3but actually it's just faster to blindly copy shit over scp15:13
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Shrik3because the hashing and checksumming required by rsync is pretty cpu intensive15:13
Wolfiebluetooth :)15:13
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Jaffahrw: it does, but the .catorise.desktop files are a hangover from a broken version in -devel. It now uses catorise-foo.desktop rather than foo.catorise.desktop (and ignores the former)15:17
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Jaffacrashanddie: I've got a hacky Perl script (btw, garage project is approved so'll have svn at which checks the MWKN twitter feeds for input and posts it back out. I'm focussing on Twitter at the moment as it's an easy way of doing ad-hoc data collection (since I have echofon in my browser toolbar)15:18
Jaffacrashanddie: Last night, whilst catching up on tmo, it was easy to see something which should be in the issue, click a button, type a few keywords and it's then stored in the mwkn twitter account for it to be picked up later.15:18
Jaffacrashanddie: ...whilst also acting as a continual drip/firehose feed for people who want to know what'll be in the issue before it is.15:19
crashanddiehu hu15:19
crashanddieI'm fine with that15:19
crashanddieIt's just that I don't mind having the PHP script forcibly reload the twitter feed when someone clicks on "Refresh", however I'm not planning on doing it on every page load15:20
Jaffacrashanddie: So, everything very hacky at the moment to try and iron out any problems in the process/motivate people/work out real (rather than guessed) requirements15:20
crashanddieand we can't guarantee that the page will be loaded every x seconds to guarantee responses to people15:20
Jaffacrashanddie: I imagine that "Create issue" will happen, say, Sunday afternoon (GMT) and that'll then take a copy of everything in the Twitter feed so then it can be reviewed (and meta-data fleshed out, or marked as excluded) so that there's a fixed palette of content available to the sub-editors.15:21
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Jaffacrashanddie: Special casing then for any late breaking news; but anything coming in after an issue starts being properly compiled is left over to the next one15:21
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redofftopic: - weird SELECT output problem (SQL)15:24
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StskeepsX-Fade: excellent!15:33
X-FadeStskeeps: Installing it now. Let's see ;)15:33
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alteregoHrm, I get jittering with StackableWindow ...16:00
AndrewFBlackAnyone know if Extras has been fixed yet?16:00
alteregoOnly with the transition when it's created :(16:00
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AleMaxxhello,can somebody provide me with a "pvr.ko"? I want to have a look.16:07
Khertan <<< is lacking a real pygame expert to improve fps ...16:07
lcukKhertan, release i wanna see it16:08
lcuki rt: you this morning with that16:08
Khertanha didn't see it yet16:09
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Khertanlcuk ... it s too slow to be release yet16:10
Khertanlcuk:  and lack some features ... at least add a bonus or more ennemy type16:11
alteregoLooks really good.16:11
alteregoFrom scratch?16:11
lcukKhertan, people can have a go at improving it if they can tweak at home16:11
lcukit looks amazing16:11
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* w00t clicks16:12
alteregoYeah, really good use of the accelerometer.16:12
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GeneralAntillesKhertan, release early, release often!16:12
alteregoTeehee, AND ACCEPT PATCHES!! ^.^16:12
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RST38hThen users will think you only release shit16:12
alteregoNo, the "users" shouldn't be using extras-devel ;)16:12
lcukok, "put to -devel for testers to hack at"16:12
w00tKhertan: hmm, how are you doing those explosion effects?16:12
w00t(well done, btw)16:13
RST38hAlso, as applied to maemo, pushing a release into Extras is such a pain that it takes all the fun out of releasing often16:13
Khertanit s a stealled idea :)16:13
Khertanstollen code16:13
* RST38h suspects there is a huge chasm between how policy makers THINK users should use the repos and how users ACTUALLY use the repos16:13
Tonzas - Has anyone found a solution for this yet? :o16:14
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RST38hHeheh, TheIndependent attributed Googles China spat to Sergey Brin's soviet origins.16:15
VDVsxOMG sites like gizmodo are bashing the iSh**, the world is coming to a end :p16:16
RST38hSome journos are weird.16:16
VDVsxRST38h, those bastards hacked my gmail account, and I'm not a activist!!16:16
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RST38hVDVsx: They are trying to get to the Secret Maemo Sourcecode!16:17
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VDVsxRST38h, ehehe, if so they've to choose better targets16:18
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hrwJaffa: thx16:20
hrwJaffa: add printf "\n" and end of progressbar ;D16:21
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lbtfunny iPad spoof....
lbtmay have been posted already16:23
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RST38hApple intends to follow up its anticipated iPad success with a miniature, pocket-sized version boasting added voice technology.16:27
RST38hOMG they will invent the cell phone!16:27
* RST38h cackles16:27
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crashanddieJaffa: wasn't talking about that, rather about the fact that in the wiki proposal, there's a point that says that the bot would automagically reply to people submitting something to an invalid category16:30
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crashanddiered: still having SQL issues?16:32
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crashanddieJaffa: I have a caching engine that ensures files are only read/written within acceptable time limits (no configuration updates every 5ms for example)16:33
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crashanddieJaffa: The caching engine supports HTTP links, files on disk, etc, understands HTTP expiry flags and so on and so forth16:34
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crashanddieJaffa: A simple run with full debug requires roughly 100k of disk space worth of logs (and I'm not even polling twitter yet), when the caching engine is enabled there's a performance increase of roughly 940% (going from 160ms to 17ms)16:38
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roadiwhy are numbers like *100# no valid numbers? this is the number for getting the deposit value of my prepaied card.16:42
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crashanddieroadi: this issue has been reported quite a few times, there's a bug open for it16:42
roadiand a idea how to resolv it? so i would take some time for solving it.16:43
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crashanddieit's not something you can solve16:44
crashanddieNokia will most probably need to release an update to the phone software16:44
vldcnstroadi: ussd-widget16:45
vldcnstKinda buggy tho.16:45
povbotBug 5357: Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *#16:45
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SpeedEvilanother update16:46
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crashanddieI can't believe #5357 has had 22 duplicates xD16:50
crashanddieI mean seriously... GTFO16:50
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matanThat's what you get when you close a bug that is still there.16:51
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w00tsimple pyqt/pyside tutorial, if anyone is interested:
SpeedEvilas the defaulty search won't find closed bugs16:53
crashanddiematan: it's not closed16:55
crashanddiematan: it's resolved16:55
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GeneralAntillesmatan, please troll elsewhere.17:01
OptXHi. My Xephyr screen is kina mirrored. Why that ?17:01
JimiDinicrashanddie: I guess bug is just too critical for a lot of people. and, again, for a lot of people bugtracker is not a trivial concept. they are told to use it, but they don't know how to do it properly17:01
Jaffacrashanddie: There's no reason the Perl Twitter bot I've got running on a cronjob couldn't continue and integrate into your resource provider API17:01
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, there's a guide.17:02
crashanddieJaffa: how does it collate the data?17:02
crashanddieJaffa: does it add it to the db?17:02
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, problem (everywhere) is that people are too lazy/uncaring/stupid to educate themselves.17:02
JimiDiniGeneralAntilles: "usual users" do not read guides. they don't have time for that17:02
matanGeneralAntilles: What?17:02
crashanddieJimiDini: I'm tired, this is tongue in cheek: "Of course there's a solution for usual users"17:03
crashanddie"They can fuck off"17:03
SpeedEvilJimiDini: and how does a user _find_ this guide17:03
OptXis Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb & not right to start it ?17:03
JimiDinithey have a device, they have a problem, they just want to reach "support". they don't care about logistics17:03
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: same with device manual17:03
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, there are links to the bug reporting guidelines on several pages on the sight.17:03
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, I'd link you to them if the damn thing would load.17:04
crashanddieJimiDini: seriously, we don't need to go over this _again_17:04
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: shouldn't you be sleeping? Or are you awake already?17:04
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, 1-800-NOKIA-CARE17:04
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, it's 10 AM17:04
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, Bugzilla is not a user support system.17:04
GeneralAntillesSee the links on the top of that page.17:05
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JimiDiniGeneralAntilles: true. still, people often think that it is…17:05
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, but, yes, early mornings this week.17:05
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, that's a problem of lazy/uncaring/stupid.17:05
pupnikcheck greenwald's latest17:06
* GeneralAntilles is really bored with the attitude of entitlement so pervasive these days.17:06
crashanddieJimiDini: people also believe that at some point people believed the earth was flat, that doesn't make it so though17:06
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Jaffacrashanddie: At the moment, it keeps track of the last ID processed, asks Twitter for anything new and processes them back into Twitter. Making it push into a DB would be *trivial*.17:06
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JimiDiniother option is, that, probably, bugzilla should be "hidden" behind links to Nokia's support17:07
SpeedEvilJimiDini: and more automated stuff17:07
SpeedEvil'report a bug'17:07
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, links never did get integrated into maemo.org17:07
SpeedEvilwhich filled in most of the fields.17:07
crashanddieJaffa: Well, we need to define how we want to have this bot running17:08
SpeedEvilIt should run through a post-apocalyptic landscape, firing lasers at the fleeing humans.17:08
crashanddieJaffa: if the only purpose of the bot is to reply to people when they've selected a wrong category, then it makes sense for the PHP part to go to twitter and process outstanding posts into the db and subsequently to the user interface17:09
crashanddieJaffa: if, however, the PHP side of things is not going to talk to twitter for a long time (or at all) and rely on the twitter data to be injected into the DB automatically, I have no issue with that17:10
crashanddieonly thing is, option a/ offers the subs and eds the possibility to forcefully refresh the twitter/database cache, whereas option 2/ requires a wait until the next run of the perl script17:10
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SpeedEvilHow/what handles the GSM side in software? Is it a serial port with AT commands talking to a process - or is it more complex?17:12
BLUG_Fredhi! i'm in China and apparently the content is "per country" , so I can't download Bounce Evolution ... anyone has an idea if there is a mirror or another to get it?17:12
* w00t raises an eyebrow at maemo-developers17:13
tybolltw00t: ?17:13
BLUG_Fredi mean the ovi store content... sorry17:13
GeneralAntillesw00t, open/free?17:13
tybolltSpeedEvil: if you find out, would you please /msg me, I'd really like to know myself :)17:13
w00ttybollt: that whole mauku thread seems rather poisonous17:13
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w00tGeneralAntilles: yeah17:13
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GeneralAntillesw00t, hehe.17:13
tybolltw00t: care to link me?17:14
w00ttybollt: sec17:14
tybolltdank mal17:14
BLUG_Fredi get "Sorry, this item is not available for your country."17:14
w00tta, GeneralAntilles17:14
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w00tBLUG_Fred: I don't know of any, sorry17:14
* tybollt bows to the General17:14
BLUG_Fredw00t: well thanks..17:15
w00tBLUG_Fred: might be an idea to contact the developer and ask them why that is the case17:16
tybolltand in the case of .cn, also the state censorship17:16
w00tnow now, let's not get anybody arrested17:16
BLUG_Fredw00t: actually all their games are "not available" even what I assume to be 'paid' ones17:16
w00tBLUG_Fred: I don't think ovi store has any paid content, yet17:16
BLUG_Fredtybollt: nothing to do with .cn17:16
w00tBLUG_Fred: last I heard, they had problems with it of some kind17:16
BLUG_Fredw00t: ah..17:17
tybolltBLUG_Fred: Or maybe I was joking...17:17
BLUG_Fredtybollt: ah...17:17
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Jaffacrashanddie: I quite like the architecture of having collectors inject into the DB and then the UI concentrate on manipulating the data in there (perhaps also with a manual add facility)17:17
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tybollttry googlers vs china :)17:17
mgedminBLUG_Fred, what about the Application Manager?  can you try to install it from there?17:17
BLUG_Fredtybollt: well it doesn't make me laugh.. my site has been down for over a month because of the recent change of policies... so17:18
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tybolltJaffa: Sounds like a sane concept to me17:18
crashanddietybollt: yes, because a bouncing ball would inspire the people to revolution so drastically...17:18
BLUG_Fredmgedmin: well it's not there. the Bounce evolution is only on the ovi store17:18
crashanddieJaffa: yeah, manual add already exists17:18
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BLUG_Fredtybollt: but.. well.. life17:18
mgedmindid they remove it from the repo?17:19
* mgedmin checks17:19
BLUG_Fredmgedmin: yes .. it's not there. not sure if it was before.. just got my n90017:19
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mgedminI installed it with app manager back before Ovi store got opened17:19
BLUG_Fredmgedmin: ok let me try this then.. thanks17:20
crashanddieJaffa: the wiki conceptualises the whole principle as "showing the twitter post", I don't think that's a good idea. I'd rather capture the keywords, link and author, then have a secondary page load based on that link, which would attempt and dig things out such as author of the post, post contents, date and etc17:20
mgedminI dunno if maybe they do some sort of IP filtering on the repo side17:20
mgedminmaybe it's just the web interface that blocks all games?17:20
BLUG_Fredmgedmin: yes I get.. browse similar content which shows me some shitty Chinese games while the N900 will not be sold in China...17:20
crashanddieJaffa: this "pure" data would be displayed to the editor, as to not distract or oblige the loading of an external website with its load of ads and such17:21
tybolltBLUG_Fred: tried raw apt-get?17:21
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BLUG_Fredtybollt: nope17:21
dvoid_its been like 3h wheres my n900 ;)17:21
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crashanddieJaffa: obviously, for URLs which can't be parsed, I was thinking about a "show me original" link which would lead the editor to the original post, either in a frame that pops up in the UI, or new tab/window17:22
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Jaffacrashanddie: Indeed17:22
GeneralAntillesdvoid_, can you ssh into it? ;)17:22
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vldcnstHow the heck do you set a startup security code?17:23
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mgedminvldcnst, somewhere in the control panel, no?17:23
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: you haven't expressed your thoughts about mwkn17:23
* mgedmin is more afraid of forgetting the security code than of his n900 getting stolen17:23
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tybolltBLUG_Fred: open a terminal17:23
SpeedEvilYou need to know that the almst undocumented initial code is 1234517:23
tybolltBLUG_Fred: sudo gainroot17:23
BLUG_Fredtybollt: yes yes.. i know how to do, thanks17:23
dvoid_GeneralAntilles, no, i think is still in a box waiting for shipment ... ;)17:23
tybolltapt-get install bounce is sufficient here17:24
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BLUG_Fredtybollt: oh... thanks I was wondering the package name...17:24
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I think it's a great idea.17:24
crashanddieJaffa: I'm writing as much as I can without losing sanity (I know, how selfish of me). I don't know if I'll hit the deadline of next week, but I'm trying ;)17:24
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, it's basically my community highlights minus the attempted commentary and with less overhead.17:25
BLUG_Fredtybollt: yeah! working.. excellent (apt-get method)17:25
* BLUG_Fred sends flowers (or beer) to tybollt 17:26
GAN900FBReader fails at idling in the background.17:26
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SpeedEvilwakeup a second or so17:28
SpeedEvilI meant to poke rst over it17:28
SpeedEvilbut forgot17:28
BLUG_Fredtybollt: oops.. got an error17:29
mgedminthat explains my suboptimal battery life!17:29
mgedminI always have fbreader idling17:29
BLUG_Fredtybollt: resolving host timed out17:29
BLUG_Fredwill retry17:29
crashanddieJaffa & GAN900: I'm off to bed, 1:30 here17:30
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, night.17:31
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crashanddieI really like Randall's initiatives sometimes17:32
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, me too.17:32
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crashanddiebut goddamn, sometimes he can be an arrogant twat. I didn't give him those comma suggestions because they were suggestions, I was just correcting the grammar.17:32
crashanddieanyway, laters17:32
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BLUG_Fredtybollt: so direct access to the file from a web browser is "forbidden"?17:36
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w00tandre__: ping17:38
andre__w00t, pong17:38
w00tandre__: I have a bit of a problem. I need to report a bug, but I've no idea what to report it against :)17:39
BLUG_Fredwow thanks  guys. it's late here.. need to sleep17:39
w00tandre__: problems with charging/etc LED after PR1.1 update, is the very simple summary17:39
BLUG_Fredi'll try again tomorrow.. who knows, the Internet wind will have turned and everything wil work17:39
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andre__w00t, system software/general :)17:40
Milo-hmm maemo-browser doesn't seem to show rss-feed links17:40
andre__Milo-, click [+] next to the address bar?17:41
Milo-could someone give me rss-feed link to testing?17:41
Milo-andre__ that is a bookmark17:41
mgedminw00t, I'm curious, what problems?17:42
w00tandre__: component?17:42
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w00tmgedmin: I'll have it filed soon, and I'll link you17:42
w00tsave me repeating myself17:42
mgedminthere's already a bug reported about "LED doesn't indicate charging if the screen is not blanked"17:42
mgedminalthough its initial description contained two issues and so it got marked as a duplicate of a different, unrelated bug (about N900 not charging when you plug it in)17:43
w00tthis is rather different17:44
mtnbkrmgedmin: ya know, I kind of think that if you are looking at the screen and using the device, a bright LED is a bad thing... there is the charging battery indicator on the desktop... When I first saw this behaviour I thought it was a bug but then I kind of thought it was a good idea.17:48
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wazdhello all17:50
tybollthow "officiall" is this forum?17:52
ifreqacidjazz: Download Dir: 773.18 GB - Complete Dir: 773.18 GB - Download speed: 12647.31 KB/s - Queued: 126.37/412.27 MB17:52
w00tlo wazd17:52
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mgedmintybollt, define "official"17:59
mgedminyou won't find Nokia VPs answering questions here17:59
tybolltlike our chinese friend here17:59
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wazdjust checked iPad's UI18:00
wazdwell, 3.5/518:01
ifreqwazd: its from iphone/itouch so nothing to check :P18:01
wazdmaybe even 4/518:01
tybolltif we were to get into a (potential) discussion about circumventing whatever marketing ploy at Nokia that is preventing his downloading bounce via apt/HAM and offer him the deb straight up on a privately hosted site would we have nokians swarming w/ cops on there tail? :)18:01
wazdifreq: not really18:01
ifreqwazd: it is . they didnt make a new OS for tablet18:01
wazdifreq: they've made a new UI18:02
ifreqwazd: yeh but OS is the same.18:02
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ifreqok you talked bout UI18:02
wazdifreq: can you hear me? :P18:02
ifreqas i said.18:02
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wazdit's really smooth, dunno what unicorn dust apple has but it works :)18:06
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crashanddiewazd: NO YOU'RE WRONG THE IPAD SUCKS18:07
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wazdcrashanddie: don't think it suck, but it's really useless for me :)18:08
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povbotBug 8620: PR1.1 upgrade rendered status LED useless18:09
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lcukhaha i just realised that as jobs grabbed it it detected his click18:10
lcuki bet he wasnt expecting that one18:10
mgedmininteresting bug18:10
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w00tlcuk: you had me thinking something much more unsanitary there fyi.18:10
lcuknot entirely unexpected18:10
w00tmgedmin: tell me about it. I'm mostly confused why it only happened to one of two from the same batch.18:10
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mgedminfwiw on my n900 when fully charged I see a steady always-on green LED rather than occasional flashes you mentioned in "expected outcome"18:10
w00tcould be that it's always on, actually, I sleep when mine charges usually18:11
w00tso I was relying on the description from t'missus18:11
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GeneralAntillesandre__, MCE. . . .18:12
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andre__GeneralAntilles, dsme you mean? :-P18:12
wazdthe main mistake in UI is that all elements have accented gloss from the light that is top-forward, but their shadows are rendered like if the light source is right above them18:12
GeneralAntillesandre__, pretty sure it's MCE.18:12
lcukobviously the shadows should use ambient lightdetection18:13
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lcukand be dynamically rerendered taking account of the RDF18:13
wazdand their contact book is really stupid :)18:14
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lcuknot looked just saw the unveiling and noticed that glitch18:14
lcukits the same as has existed on many touchscreens tho im surprised jobs let that one go18:14
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lcukaccidentally clicking "buy now" on something whilst carrying it to the kitchen isnt gonna be wanted18:16
SpeedEvilwazd: that is clearly why you need a camera.18:17
SpeedEvilwazd: to detect the direction of the ambient light, and render shadows and highlights correctly.18:17
wazdSpeedEvil: that is cleary why you need to not make UI's in last 2 days :D18:17
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Kegetysmaybe thats what the n900 front camera is for as well, just not implemented yet18:18
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wazdhaha, you can't watch apple website on the iPad in portrait mode without zooming :)18:20
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tybollthaha, the ipad is supposed to replace my netbook but it can only run one concurrent process.... oh wait... :S18:21
alteregotybollt: install maemo on it! :)18:22
tybolltI was joking18:22
tybolltI will never get an iAnything18:22
alteregoWhen I heard they were announcing an "iPad" I thought it was something to do with home automation, and thought, wow, that actually sounds cool.18:23
tybolltI have an iMac at the last job but it mostly collected dust18:23
luke-jralterego: fail18:23
GeneralAntillesalterego, "there's an app for that" surely. ;)18:23
wazddamn, Steve, add wacom pen to it and world will explode18:23
luke-jrtybollt: it's hilarious how the iPad demo started off bashing netbooks18:23
luke-jrbut it's even LESS capable than a netbook18:24
alteregoGeneralAntilles: there's an app for making my alarm sysatem fart :)18:24
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tybolltluke-jr: exactly18:24
tybolltback to what windows was ten years ago18:24
wazdsurely you can't do it with capacitive screen though18:24
tybolltbut this time it ain't billy goats but steven boobs that decides we can't run >1 concurrent proc18:25
wazdor maybe some doublelayered touch surface18:25
luke-jrtybollt: Windows has improved in the last 10 years?18:25
tybolltwell thank ya Steven - fuck you too!18:25
SpeedEviltybollt: err - 20 years18:25
SpeedEvilwindows has had concurrent processes - at least >ipad since windows 286 IIRC18:25
SpeedEvilOr rahter - concurrent user applications18:26
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alteregoAnyone managed to do adhoc networking between an N900 and a linux system?18:26
wazdiPhone OS can multitask, but jobs hates it18:27
redmanaged with windows pc atleast18:27
lopzhi ;-}18:27
alteregoNotices anything weird about it?18:27
redtakes long time to start getting anything in downstream18:28
redwhen it started, worked as fine as could imagine18:28
rednot that stable connection tho, but could be due my WiFi card on PC18:28
alteregoHrm, I was getting really bad stalling.18:29
mgedminalterego, bug 570118:29
povbotBug Bluemaemo Stylus Input for Handwriting and Drawing18:29
mgedminno, wrong bug18:29
alteregoYTeah, that must be it ;)18:29
mgedminbug 571218:29
povbotBug Ad-hoc wifi leaks kernel memory, puts N900 into unusable swap hell18:29
alteregoOoo, nice ^.^18:29
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wazdjust in time :)18:34
bilboed-pitegra powered !18:34
alteregoGood resolution18:34
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luke-jrwhat's the Tegra hype anyhow?18:34
luke-jrit's not like nVidia's ever produced anything good; why would Tegra be?18:35
KhertanHi again ...18:37
luke-jrthe new Snapdragon looks better anyhow18:37
Khertanif i want to sell something on the ovi store is it possible still require 50$ entry right ?18:38
alteregoI need to find out whether it's going to be possible to use a standard nokia media remote with the N900 somehow. It's the only thing I'm going to miss from my symbian.18:38
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alteregoI don't care if I have to write the kernel driver myself :)18:38
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luke-jralterego: if you have specs and know how to write drivers, why not?18:39
alteregoNo specs :P18:39
alteregoI do have 5 nokia media remotes though :)18:39
alteregoWait, I meant 3 :P18:39
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DrIDKHello! I would be happy if somebody success to port openAL on maemo5... Currently , only the iphone support it....  I cannot do myself, and I m not sure if it's possible. has someone any news about it ?18:41
alteregoI have a suspicion that the single button on the ddefault headset is probably just triggering a GPIO, and I presume tha the  AD remotes use pulse signals. So I'm not sure if GPIO requency would be able to handle it, but then, it must be possible as they do it in symbian devices. Or maybe it's a resistance thing? I don't know I'd have to get out some instruments and test the AD remote myself :/18:42
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luke-jralterego: eh, that remote thing is wired?18:43
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luke-jrto me, remote implies wireless :)18:43
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jophishIts my understanding that the small NAND flash in the n900 is much faster than the internal 32gb card, however it is a compressed filesystem. Would it be possible to mount / on the internal card (one ext4 partition). And use the internal flash for a different OS, probably Mer.18:44
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SpeedEvilin principle, sure.18:45
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jophishso fremantle would have no problem with that?18:46
slonopotamusDrIDK, what's exactly problematic?18:46
jophishit seems like a sensible way of doing things.18:46
luke-jrjophish: NAND is not a block device18:46
luke-jrjophish: ext3/4 would destroy it relatively quick18:47
SpeedEvilNAND has builtin errors18:47
SpeedEvilIt's sold that way18:47
DrIDKslonopotamus: I didn't find any documentation about openAL porting... And I m not sure if it's compatible with pulse18:47
SpeedEvilit's specified as 'Total error-free capacity at 100000 writes per block will exceed 256M'18:47
jophishI thought that the 32gb card had a longer lifetime than the 256mb card?18:47
SpeedEvilor something like that18:47
slonopotamusDrIDK, you can directly output sound to alsa, afaik18:48
jophishor is that because by default it's mainly fat18:48
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luke-jrjophish: it's because the 32 GB emulates a block device18:48
luke-jralso because it's FAT18:48
KhertanIs there any documentation information somewhere for wanting to make apps for ovi store ?18:48
SpeedEvilit isn't really true IMO.18:48
Khertanit s a real pain !18:49
jophishluke-jr, what you are saying is that the 32gb card isn't really appropriate for the root filesystem18:49
luke-jrjophish: sure it is18:49
luke-jrwhat I'm saying is that ext3/4 are not appropriate for flash, NAND or SD18:49
slonopotamusDrIDK, and it does work with pulseaudio.18:49
luke-jrjffs2 is good for NAND up to a certain size; ext2 is good enough for SD18:50
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DrIDKslonopotamus: ok! And nobody try to compile it on arm ?18:50
YeTr2journaling will kill ssd with millions of writes.18:50
jophishI see. thanks18:50
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luke-jrYeTr2: the main issue for SD is that it doesn't guarantee writing things back in the same order18:51
slonopotamusDrIDK, it's marked stable on arm in gentoo, which means it works on arm in general.18:51
setantaalterego, I saw that some time ago you had problems running scratchbox on kvm and Xephyr outside it.18:51
setantaalterego, did you managed to get it working?18:51
pupnikDrIDK: i've compiled openAL apps, so has bundyo and ukki18:52
slonopotamusDrIDK, though, in maemo, you're going to have a long fun repackaging it from debian/ubuntu (as with any other package)18:52
pupnikyeah, what slonopotamus said18:52
* AndrewFBlack would kill for an way way to sync stuff to my tablet18:52
pupnikat least i think we did18:53
DrIDKpupnik: why you didn't package it ?18:53
alteregosetanta: I used ssh awith X forwarding and it worked.18:53
slonopotamusbecause it's pain? :)18:54
setantaalterego, I'll try it. thanks.18:54
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pupnik  hmm18:55
pupniklooks doable DrIDK18:55
alteregoHow do I read GPIO contacts on the device without writing any C code? ^.^18:55
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luke-jralterego: it's under /sys somewhere18:56
pupniklol i did build it!
alteregoNot all of them :/18:56
DrIDKpupnik: We are making a 2d game engine ( graphics,sound , input) multiplateform.. And we need it for maemo518:56
pupnikwell my build was for n800 but it should be binary compatible18:57
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slonopotamusit's 1.11 alr18:57
pupniki believe I have sufficiently demonstrated that it can be built18:57
DrIDKpupnik: slonopotamus! Thanks!18:58
slonopotamusDrIDK, yw18:58
* lardman wonders if the iPod Wolfram app is actually anything more than a wrapper around the website18:58
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* Arkenoi wonders if mindmeister apple app is anything more than a wrapper around the website and if yes, why the fsck do they not provide just a link.19:01
lardmanso they can charge I assume19:01
Arkenoii miss mind mapping software much19:01
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Arkenoiwell, i am willing to pay for it if they want19:01
slonopotamuslardman, they could charge for link installer :)19:02
lardmanborrow someone's apple and to some packet sniffing19:02
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jophishluke-jr, It seems that Nokia used ext3 for a partition on the 32gb card, perhaps they decided that journaling was worth the degraded lifetime19:02
JimiDinilardman: I bet they use ssl :-p19:03
lardmancan see the web url at least19:03
lardmanthat's what I did to work out the Latitude webpage initially19:03
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lardmanhmm, Wolfram is actually quite useful for some stuff19:05
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lardmanmaths, equations with units, etc19:05
wazd weee19:06
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lardmanI really wish Windows would bugger off and stop telling me to reboot19:06
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mtnbkrlardman: good luck with that. ;)19:08
lardmanyeah :)19:08
alteregoThink it's going to take a long time to monitor all the gpio's, I wonder if I can enable debugging or something to show when one changes ..19:08
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* lardman decides to do as it wishes, cu all later19:09
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alteregoThere's 210 GPIO's on the N90019:10
alteregoAt least "confgigured" gpios in the kernel.19:10
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alteregoAnyhow, I'll play with that later.19:11
alteregohome time.19:11
luke-jrjophish: journalling won't degrade lifetime of the 32 GB SD card; it will just be higher risk of data loss19:11
luke-jror rather, it might, but not as significantly19:12
ShadowJKthe write leveling operates over a pretty limited area :/19:12
ShadowJKI had a machine running 24/7 with rootfs on sd. logs and such written all the time to sd, ext3... the machine itself died before the sd card...19:13
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ShadowJKso in practice i don't think you'll find much wear-related deaths19:14
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luke-jrShadowJK: direct NAND would be different I bet19:15
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ali1234direct nand aka mtd does not support ext319:17
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w00twazd: ping19:18
wazdw00t: oink19:18
luke-jrali1234: /dev/mtdblockN19:18
Kegetys vice seems to work surprisingly well without any modifications on the N90019:19
w00twazd: just installed marina theme now.. great job - but i have one small nitpick, if you want it :P19:19
Kegetysjust would need a fullscreen mode and some gui fixes here and there19:19
wazdw00t: sure19:19
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w00tactually, two.. but first things first19:19
w00ton the home screen(s), the time is printed in blue text19:20
w00tthe alarm icon/2.5/3g icon is white, which is much more readable on the blue background19:20
w00t(need a screenshot?)19:20
wazdw00t: hmm19:20
wazdw00t: 0.97?19:21
w00tshould be latest, but let me check19:21
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wazdw00t: nowai it can be 0.97 :P19:21
w00tyou're right19:22
w00tapt-cache reports 0.919:22
w00thow the heck did that happen19:22
* w00t scratches head19:22
wazddelete and re-install19:22
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wazdthat should help19:22
w00tI only just installed it19:22
w00tlike, 3 minutes before I said anything19:22
* w00t pokes apt19:22
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w00tapparantly my n900 decided to not actually update the repos for quite some time19:24
w00tso, my fault19:24
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ali1234luke-jr: mtdblock is not "direct NAND" it is a software emulation of the hardware in SD cards etc. and a very poor one at that, which is why it should only be used for read only filesystems19:24
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luke-jrali1234: oh? I thought it was a direct block-to-block mapping19:27
ali1234more or less it is, but it still has to handle erasing pages19:28
ali1234and it erases the whole page any time you change 1 bit inside it19:28
ali1234which means it totally sucks for any kind of rw filesystem19:28
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Damion2is the ext3 mount using some clever moving journel or is this really a concern we should look out for ?19:31
SpeedEvilali1234: that's a hardware requirement19:31
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SpeedEvilali1234: you've got to - well - for '0->1'19:31
Damion2commit=1 datawriteback=1 ?19:31
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ali1234Damion2: the ext3 mount is on a internal SD card so it has it's own FTL/wear levelling that's much much smarter than the mtdblock one19:32
Damion2ali1234: ah19:32
ali1234SD cards actually use a form of journalling to minimise the number of erases19:32
Damion2oh I was about to ext2 format my external sd19:32
w00t  python2.5-qt4: Depends: python2.5-qt4-opengl (= 4.7-maemo0) but it is not going to be installed19:32
w00tE: Broken packages19:32
w00tthis looks ..fun19:32
SpeedEvilali1234: I'm not aware of any SDs that give out specs actually19:33
ali1234sure, but you can read between the lines...19:33
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* w00t wonders how it got so royally broken19:33
ShadowJKluke-jr: yes you'd be deranged to run ext3 on mtdblock or nand19:35
w00twazd: new version seems to have fixed that, but i have one other problem. an 'active' window (like IM or whatever) in switcher looks a bit weird19:35
w00twazd: screenshot incoming19:35
fluxon n810 you can somehow get a freakin' big virtual keyboard when using xterm. what are the rules? apparently pressing somewhere near the top of the screen is one way..19:35
w00tflux: assuming it's along the n900 rules, keyboard closed, press anywhere on the terminal itself19:36
ShadowJKif it thinks you used thumn to press screen you get huge keyboard19:36
w00t(at least, that's why I observe..)19:36
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fluxw00t, well, it has two kinds of virtual keyboards19:36
fluxw00t, the little one is easy to trig19:36
ShadowJKif it thinks you used stylus, you get the small stylus keyboard19:36
fluxshadowjk, hmm..19:36
w00tflux: k, out of my area :)19:36
Damion2flux: you want better xterm ?19:37
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viszfinally the inevitable maxi pad joke:
w00twazd: see /msg19:37
fluxdamion2, better for n810 you mean?19:37
Damion2ahh you've not got an n900 ?19:37
fluxI have both19:38
fluxshadowjk, seems to work that way, thanks :)19:38
Damion2I am trying to gather support for efforts to making the osso-xterm good19:38
ShadowJKflux: heh, it only worked the first week or so for me :)19:38
ShadowJKnow it's pretty random whether it registers thumb as thumn, or at all19:39
flux(or actually I gave the n810 to my gf, her nokia 9200 died)19:39
Arkenoi9200? wow19:39
Arkenoiit had no gprs iirc?19:40
fluxhmm, am I mistaking it for something else.. it had gprs, but no edge19:40
luke-jrand N810 has no GSM :p19:40
fluxit had colors as well :)19:40
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fluxluke-jr, well, she also has a 'regular' e71 to go with it.19:40
Arkenoihmm, gprs but no edge.. 9500 had both, 9210/9250 had neither19:40
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fluxbut, big screen is nice19:41
Damion29210, worst phone EVAR!19:41
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fluxmaybe it was 9500. was 9500 the predecessor of 9300i?19:41
fluxif so, it was 950019:41
ArkenoiDamion2, i spent 3 years with it ;-)19:41
Myrttia log19:41
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Myrttihandy to use for killing fish19:41
Damion2I regretted ever leaving the 911019:41
Arkenoinot actually a "predecessor", but a kind of19:41
Damion2although ssh was nice once putty was ported, until then utter shit19:41
Damion2oh and bounce 2d was good19:42
Damion2but that's it19:42
Damion29500 was AMAZING in coimnparison19:42
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Arkenoi9500 had bigger screen and keyboard19:42
ArkenoiDamion2, sore19:42
fluxmy 9300i died before the summer :(. actually that's when I bought my n810.19:42
Arkenoithere was a rumor an inofficial linux port for 9300/9500 existed19:42
fluxsort of like to test if the future n900 would have any promise in it.19:43
Arkenoi9210 had the *best* keyboard among all communicator series, though19:43
fluxwell, you can understand how disappointed I was for the 810 keyboard19:44
luke-jrArkenoi: better than Zaurus clamshells?19:44
luke-jrflux: same here19:44
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ShadowJKit takes weeks to get used to N810 keyboard, assuming you use it daily19:44
zaheermi miss the original snake game19:44
bennypr0faneHi, will complete newbie questions be answered her?19:45
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bennypr0fanei have a problem using maemo browser on n90019:45
bennypr0fanei don't get the cursor19:45
ShadowJKbut unasked questions are never aswered19:45
ShadowJKswipe from left, from outside the display, towards right19:46
ShadowJKtap the icon with pointer so there is red diagonal lin over it19:46
bennypr0faneexactly what i did. nothing happens19:46
bennypr0faneno pointer appears19:46
SpeedEvilbennypr0fane: press the screen19:47
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bennypr0fanespeedevil while sliding from the left?19:47
SpeedEvilI mean after19:47
SpeedEvilto put the pointer on the screen19:47
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mtnbkrsweet! Working with a dev to get maemo email IMAP client to work properly with my Zimbra server. :)19:49
ShadowJKdoesnt work in bookmarks19:49
bennypr0fanenow way. nothing happening. only the content of the page moves a little to the left and then flips back in position as i keep sliding to the right19:49
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bennypr0fanewas that function available with the first version of Maemo shipped on new devices?19:51
bennypr0faneor only after fw-update?19:51
ShadowJKyes, first19:51
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ShadowJKyou need to start from as far left as the front camera19:52
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bennypr0fanenow it appeared for a sec19:53
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bennypr0faneand disappeared again19:53
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bennypr0fanehm, i think i figured it out19:55
bennypr0fanedo i have to start from the LOWER left side?19:55
bennypr0faneor is it supposed to work starting from the WHOLE of the left margin?19:55
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ShadowJKi think it works better lower left19:56
ShadowJKbeside, if you start upper or mid left you're swiping over the camera or over the loudspeaker19:57
SpeedEvilIt would be nice if the whole of the left and rightside of the front were seperate touchpanels to the screen19:58
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bennypr0faneindeed it would19:58
bennypr0fanethis is not working properly19:59
SpeedEvilworks fine for me19:59
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bennypr0fanei get the pointer 2-3 out of 10 swipes19:59
SpeedEvilI get it 10/1019:59
* SpeedEvil retries19:59
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bennypr0faneok, i think i figured it out20:00
bennypr0faneonly lower proti20:00
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bennypr0faneno way of getting it from swiping in form the upper part20:02
bennypr0fanethat should be mentioned in the instructions20:02
bennypr0fanethanks for help anyway20:02
bennypr0faneor does work for differently for anyone?20:03
mgedmin900nope, I only get the cursor in the bottom part too20:04
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bennypr0fanealso, the cursor comes only in full screen mode and not when zoomed into the page20:08
bennypr0faneno, not true. zoomed in works too20:09
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bennypr0faneok, it also works when controls are visible. the trick is to hit exactly the right portion of the screen margin20:12
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pupnikflux: if n810 keyboard had a better pressure point and raised letters it would have been great, imo.20:12
bennypr0fanenimmst auch fladenbrot?20:13
fluxpupnik, if :-)20:13
bennypr0faneoops, sory20:13
fluxpupnik, even less pressure would've had been great20:13
bennypr0fanesorry for bugging you guys, bye120:13
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pupniki didn't mind n810 keyboard, until i tried n900 keyboard :(20:14
SpeedEviln900 keyboard is awesome.20:14
toggles_wpupnik: lol, yeah me too, had to use the n810 last night, yuk20:15
mgedmin900me too20:15
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lcuki like the 810 kb, tho nowadays it feels more like a laptop than a tablet :D20:16
pupnikwonder if you could solder n810 speakers into n900 case20:16
mgedmin900soldering the n810 vkb ought to be easier20:16
mgedmin900only the damn thing was closed source20:17
pupnikhow about n810 crammed into a psion 5mx case :)20:17
puslingcan't you solder the usb port on the n900 to be a OTG port ?20:17
SpeedEvilpusling: that's apparantly a red herring.20:18
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SpeedEvilpusling: It does seem not to need soldering - but more research is needed.20:18
SpeedEvilOr rahter - USB host may work - OTG cannot.20:18
SpeedEvilUSB host with external power.20:18
SpeedEvilI need to finish reading datasheets, and get to reading kernel.20:18
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puslingSpeedEvil: oh. I tried asking a friend of mine who was working at nokias n900 driver department, and he said that the connections wasn't there at all ?20:19
Corsachmhm, the main use for usb host for me would be camera20:19
Corsacthough that would require some libgphoto interface too20:19
bennypr0fanehow do i figure out if i have the latest firmware installed on n900?20:19
Corsacbennypr0fane: settings / about20:19
SpeedEvilpusling: that seems to be incorrect.20:20
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SpeedEvilpusling: At least based on very similar device datasheets - the OTG 'enable' pin is simply an input.20:20
bennypr0fanecorsac 2.2009.51-1 is that the latest one?20:20
SpeedEvilpusling: that is - it needs connected to an external socket so that the CPU can be informed of the state of the OTG pin in the socket.20:20
uhsfI just received my Nokia N900 :-)20:21
bennypr0fanecorsac thanks20:21
puslingSpeedEvil: okay. I would be happy if I could use it in hostmode somehow. wether or not I have to flip a switch in proc (or similar place) is fully accepted, as long as I easy can get it back again20:21
SpeedEvilpusling: With the current hardware - this of course can't happen. But the USB PHY chip does not actually directly act on the state of the OTG pin. It merely informs the CPU, that then turns the port round.20:21
bennypr0faneuhsf congrats, it's awesome20:21
uhsfShould I open the box or do my homework that is due tomorrow first?20:21
SpeedEvilpusling: no hardware mods20:22
bennypr0faneuhsf do your homework20:22
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bennypr0faneonce you open the box....20:22
SpeedEviluhsf: Congratulations! Now just configure itunes before you can use it.20:22
ShadowJKi get cursor when swiping over camera too20:22
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pusling(and it would have been nice if they had added a usb host+client socket (the |  | one) instead of the client-only socket ( /  \ one)20:22
uhsfSpeedEvil: you are kidding me right?20:22
puslingSpeedEvil: I'm looking forward to the result of your research, though.20:23
SpeedEvilpusling: microb is pretty much mandated for USB charging.20:23
SpeedEvilpusling: this means it would have needed to be an additional socket20:23
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puslingSpeedEvil: the micro a+b should do charging just as well, shouldn't it ?20:23
SpeedEvilpusling: the microb socket is mandatory on phones in china - for charging.20:24
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uhsfone thing i learned yesterday and i was disapointed is that we can't have two phones with the same number with gsm20:24
SpeedEvilAnd encouraged through agreement in the EU20:24
SpeedEviluhsf: that's not actually true.20:24
puslingSpeedEvil: but microb cables fits into the micro a+b socket as well. (usb socket on n900)20:24
SpeedEviluhsf: It is in principle possible - just practically20:24
uhsfso i will have to swap my sim card if i want to use my freerunner again20:24
SpeedEviluhsf: where are yuou?20:25
uhsfit would be better to have two sim cards with the same phone number20:25
uhsfin canada20:25
pusling(eh. usb socket on n810 is micro a+b)20:25
bennypr0faneright, i just managed several times swiping over the camera too20:25
uhsfi really think that's a fail point for gsm20:25
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SpeedEvilIt's not.20:26
SpeedEvilIt's the carriers won't allow it.20:26
uhsfi guess i'll just leave my freerunner pluged into my router and try to find a new use for it20:27
SpeedEvilThe protocol - and some carriers - let you do it.20:27
bennypr0fanebut only "secret lower portion" always reveals the cursor...20:27
SpeedEviluhsf: I'm using my neo1973 for a microwave oven controller when I get round to it20:27
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wazd <- MADDE icon concept20:33
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uhsfkinda evokes sony ericson xperia design20:38
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* Arkenoi has 3 sims with the same phone number20:41
Arkenoibecause i had not ask operator for permission ;-)20:41
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Arkenoiactually, 3 sims with two numbers in it20:41
uhsfArkenoi: what if i just buy a second sim card how to activate it with a specific phone number? are you in canada?20:44
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ShadowJKuhsf: I have 5 cards with same number. They also have their own "technical" number. Requires network support, obviously. It's a pretty new feature from Nokia-Siemens afaik20:48
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uhsfi don't want network it's too expensive here, just phone20:49
ShadowJKwell phone numbers are in the network's domain..20:50
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SpeedEvilI vaguely recall something about app-launcher scrolling20:51
SpeedEvilis it possible to ditch the --more-- ?20:51
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penguinbaitye haw20:56
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b0unc3someone could let me know the best way to check "if connected" from a statusbar plugin ?21:03
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: rather have several 'more', rather called 'games' / 'office' / 'system'... ?21:06
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* RST38h moos thoughtfully21:09
pupnikwhen do ... lol21:09
pupnikwhen do we get an iPon with maemo / mer?21:09
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LuciusMarehello, is there any implementation of facebook chat? I mainly use the chat only, and on gprs it does not often even load21:11
pupnikarm cpu, large screen, bighonkinstompin battery, 2 usb ports, 2 SD slots, what else...21:11
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LuciusMarepupnik: sounds good, what are you talking about?21:11
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* RST38h does not understand obsession with 2 SD slots21:12
pupnika coffeetable tablet running a decent os...21:12
luke-jrRST38h: one for the OS, one for the removable media21:12
DocScrutinizerpusling: it occurs to me like N810 == N900 == micro-B receptacle, not AB21:12
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: wtf? when did N810 == N900?21:12
RST38hwhy would anyone need to remove the os?21:12
luke-jrI have a N900 then?21:13
Scummerugh... only one exchange account supported with modest...21:13
puslingDocScrutinizer: no. n810 != n900.21:13
puslingDocScrutinizer: regarding the usb receptacle21:13
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Scummerthere is no workaround to get more than one exchange account onto the n900, is there ?21:13
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luke-jrRST38h: upgrade21:13
DocScrutinizerI'm looking at both right this moment, doesn't look like much of a diff21:13
RST38hremove old, install new21:13
RST38hhi mgedmin21:13
luke-jrRST38h: Maemo/Mer can get by with 256 MB SD card for OS; Gentoo needs at minimum 421:14
luke-jrcould be sweet to have 4 MicroSD spots instead ;)21:14
SpeedEvilRST38h: removable SD for / means you can upgrade it to 128G21:15
SpeedEvilin a couple of years21:15
luke-jr3 in parallel for combined speeds (striping), plus an extra for storage21:15
slonopotamusluke-jr, gentoo could work on much less, it just wasn't anyone goal.21:16
tybolltno compass in the 900 right?21:16
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bilboedtybollt, nope21:16
SpeedEvilNot by default.21:17
DocScrutinizernope, but magnet in N900 ;-P21:17
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SpeedEvilIt would be a very simple mod to add one - but would invove opening the case21:17
SpeedEviland voiding warrany of course21:17
fluxspeedevil, nonsense! some glue should be sufficient.21:17
SpeedEvilI mean a proper digital compass21:18
SpeedEvilThat wires across the accellerometer and adds a compass21:18
DocScrutinizerglue? just click it to the magnet XP21:18
RST38hluke: Who needs gentoo?21:19
slonopotamusglue? use tape.21:19
tybolltSpeedEvil: 'default'? :)21:19
slonopotamusRST38h, ... who needs maemo? if it wasn't preinstalled, nobody would use because it's crap.21:20
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SpeedEviltybollt: as it comes from the factory21:20
LuciusMareslonopotamus: not sure about that21:20
SpeedEviltybollt: It can have stuff added. Compass - USB host power supply - flamethrower.21:21
slonopotamusLuciusMare, as a distro, it's just broken.21:21
tybolltjaja :P21:21
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SpeedEvilFlamethrower is actually just a drawing pin21:21
slonopotamusLuciusMare, as a set of software... you can happily use it on any other distro.21:21
keesjmaemo is pretty damm good , I just can't believe it ware written using GTK :P21:21
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LuciusMareflamethrower in n900?21:22
SpeedEvil - flamethrower21:22
LuciusMarethat would be freaking awesome!21:22
DocScrutinizerblah flamethrower :-/ nowadays U use 405nm 500mW laser for that21:22
LuciusMarei would use it as an alarm clock21:22
LuciusMare"Its seven am now. Let me woke you up, sir." *BLAM*21:23
SpeedEvilAdding the flamethrower would also void the warranty.21:23
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LuciusMarethen, lets add a n900 to a flamethrower!21:23
slonopotamusLuciusMare, that would void flamethrower warranty?21:24
slonopotamusadd them both to tape21:24
LuciusMareor, use arduino to control the flamethrower over ssh - which would be awesome as it is21:25
slonopotamus/etc/init.d/flamed start ?21:26
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* ShadowJK isn't sure striping on sd adds speed for OS use21:29
ShadowJKmaybe with btrfs..21:29
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SpeedEvilIt will.21:31
SpeedEvilWith the proper FS21:31
SplasPoodHrm, anyone have a one liner that'll find me packages that are non-optified?  Out of space again :(21:32
SpeedEvilwhat we really need is SD supporting I_DON'T_WANT_THIS_BLOCK_ANYMORE21:32
SpeedEvilOr whatever it's called21:32
SpeedEvilrm -rf / will find them all!21:32
SplasPoodSpeedEvil: ;)21:32
SplasPoodSpeedEvil: Re-flashing is a consideration21:32
SpeedEvildu -x |sort -nk121:33
SpeedEvilI would say find / -mount -size +1000k -ls - but ...21:33
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Caesiumis there no way to ask dpkg which package a file came from?21:34
wazdok, some more phantom theme colors21:35
luke-jrShadowJK: why wouldn't it?21:35
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SpeedEvilluke-jr: with ext* or another similar FS - the erase block size increases with the number of cards.21:36
SpeedEvilPerformance on random small block write on SD can be as low as a few tens of K a second or lower21:37
SplasPoodCaesium: there is21:37
SplasPood  -S|--search <pattern> ...        Find package(s) owning file(s).21:37
SplasPoodhrm.. the apt pkg lists are stored in21:38
SplasPood /21:38
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CaesiumSplasPood: then a simple perl script might be possible to get package names, I'll knock something up, dunno how quick it'll be though :)21:38
SplasPoodCaesium: Yea, I can hack somethin up too, was just wonderin if anyone had somethin already21:39
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SplasPoodI really wish this problem didn't exist :-/21:39
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SplasPoodhrm yea, moving /var/lib/apt would free 22MB, but everything seems to imply thats kinda a 'bad idea(tm)'21:42
LuciusMare'bad idea' is trademarked?21:43
LuciusMareBy microsoft, i guess?21:43
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SplasPoodLuciusMare: old joke/habit :)21:45
slonopotamusold joke/habit (tm)?21:45
keesjain't it a bit weird to require peope to register before talking to this channel? did we have problems I am not aware off?21:45
pupnikwb keesj21:46
GeneralAntilleskeesj, couple weeks of persistent spambot attacks. :)21:46
LuciusMareWhat actually prevents spambots from registering?21:47
keesjwhat kind of spam bots?21:47
keesjwhat do they do and why don't they like me?21:47
SpeedEvilthey are not spambots21:47
GeneralAntillesLuciusMare, nothing, but it's too much work to register accounts when they get k-lined almost immediately.21:47
SpeedEvilthey are using a web browser to send data to the IRC server dumbly21:47
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SpeedEvilwith no response back21:48
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, it's spawned by spambots.21:48
GeneralAntillesThey spam a link, people who click a link continue the spam.21:48
SpeedEvilhowever - it isn't really spambots - as it relies on people clicking links21:49
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SpeedEvilone click - one spam event21:49
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keesjI have not seen a channel on irc that is open source related and that requires such a thing. it feels more like somebody showing off theire power !21:50
GeneralAntilleskeesj, :\21:50
GeneralAntilleskeesj, half the channels on the network are +R.21:50
RST38hevil maemo cabal!21:50
RST38hthey own you keesj21:51
GeneralAntilleskeesj, if I wanted to show off, I'd just kick you. :)21:51
RST38hkick him thrice with witty comments then ban him!21:51
luke-jrkeesj: it's because of a Firefox exploit that FreeNode doesn't care to workaround21:51
threshevil nokia forbids users to chat here21:51
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keesjGeneralAntilles: no you would treaten me to do so ... :p21:52
* RST38h , like the sad (l)user he is, once again attempts to use fennec21:52
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RST38h"RC3 feels swift and responsive while looking slick." <--- true or false?21:54
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GeneralAntillesI've never been impressed by XUL GUIs.21:54
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RST38hwell, that is given, unfortunately =(21:54
RST38hBut maybe the miracled did happen and the rc3 really *is* responsive enough?21:55
prontofor that photo share, how hard would it be to add another button that will do what you want? , like what i want is a button that will scp the image to my own server21:55
keesjI guess I will keep me from loosing time here an do what I really like (programming)21:55
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SplasPoodpronto: there is a service in the ovistore to add a 'sharing' service for FTP/SCP, if I'm not mistaken21:55
prontooh really?, i'll go check21:56
SplasPoodpronto: yea..  that actually reminds me to give it a try, installed it and promptly forgot21:56
prontobecause something like that would be more in tune with most of the n900 users21:56
prontothat are already linux people21:56
SplasPoodWell what I want is something that'll automatically send my photos to a given service or services21:57
prontoheh, i just want something to dump photos i want to a dir on my web server21:57
SplasPoodsure, I just want it to happen automatically21:58
prontolooks like theres one that uses FTP21:59
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prontoO_o max size 200MB per file, odd22:00
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RST38hOk. Fennec RC3 crashes on startup. Wonderful.22:03
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hcarrega RST38h lol fail22:06
cehtehit just got a incredible speedup :)22:06
fragmentcehteh: the crashing?22:06
X-Fadewazd: did you see I uploaded your theme again?22:06
cehtehthe whole session  from start to crash22:07
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wazdX-Fade: yeah, thanks a lot!22:08
X-Fadewazd: Theme looks good :)22:08
X-Fadewazd: The only thing that is a bit hard to read is the active url in a browser.22:09
wazdX-Fade: well, it still has some annoying bugs22:09
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w00tX-Fade: i just reported that one to him :-D22:10
X-Fadew00t: And selecting that active url too? :)22:11
* RST38h wonders about whether he should answer "where is 3x zoom in MasterGear?!?!?!"22:11
RST38hNone of these guys vote anyway, so who cares...22:11
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meceWhat's a good size for a small button in a widget? 48px?22:12
RST38h48 or 3222:13
RST38hboth work ok22:13
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mece32 is pretty tiny though. I have 32 on my comic widget and that is rather difficult to hit.22:13
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meceI'll try 48 and see if it's more comfy.22:13
* RST38h has no problem hitting 32px, considering that hildon usually adds margins22:14
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meceRST38h, does padding in a hbox register as hittable area?22:16
RST38hit does, at least in toolbar22:17
cehtehi expected there is some even better logic .. if tapped in an area where tapping makes no sense, delegate the tap to the closest widget which can handle it22:17
RST38htoolbar will resize all buttons to be the same size as the biggest icon22:17
cehteh(withing some margins of course)22:17
RST38hcehteh: you suggest trouble.22:17
SplasPoodRST38h: yup, same here re RC322:18
meceRST38h, I'm using a png though, not a button as such. I don't really know how to make a custom button.22:18
cehtehRST38h: nah i just explain this bit simplified, but with some common sense it can be implemented reliably22:18
RST38hMaemo5 is already a minefield, as far as touch/scroll are concerned22:18
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cehtehyes, that needs some more logic than just dumb acticate closest22:19
RST38hthe more complex you make the logic, the less predictable UI becomes22:19
cehtehsome pressure sensitivity (well not that much), timeout and stuff would improve it22:19
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RST38hok, installed fennec rc3 again, from scratch, takes about 40 seconds to startup, hanging most of the time22:20
CaesiumSplasPood: well, here's my effort: :)22:20
RST38hUses Times as default font, it seems :)22:20
RST38hWho was the genius who decided on this one?22:20
cehtehRST38h: it needs to be anticipatory .. of course it must feel predictable and deterministic22:20
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SplasPoodCaesium: nice, I'll take a look22:21
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RST38hThe task switcher icon in Fennec is pretty much useless: it is unresponsive most of the time you want to click it :)22:21
Caesiumtakes about 2 mins to run on my phone, might be able to pass more files at once to dpkg -S to speed it up, I used 100 as a safe number22:22
Caesiumit seems more efficient to look up more files at once :)22:22
RST38hSo is the scrolling22:22
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RST38hcehteh: All humans are different,there is basically no way to make it feel "good" for everyone with some heuristics22:24
RST38hcehteh: Half the users will always be unhappy.22:24
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felipecRST38h: add chocolate, that would make everyone happy :)22:25
cehtehRST38h: well yes .. but a short tap in some area which doesnt accept taps but is close to some widget is almost always meant as click to that widgent22:25
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RST38hcehteh: Your particular suggestion will infuriate people who tend to keep fingers at "empty" screen areas.22:26
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cehtehmaybe add a timer like 'only if the user didnt scolled for the past 500ms', not sure about that ... and if its in the middle of 2 or more widgets you need of course some safe area which doesnt produce taps, they must be unambigous22:26
RST38hcehteh: The first complaint will be about the tablet "doing stuff on its own" and "acting up, maybe touchscreen is broken?"22:27
RST38hcehteh: This will make it "act up" with a half-a-second delay, even sneakier :)22:27
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cehtehfor capacitative display and clicking small urls on a browser this is actually a requirement22:27
RST38hStupid question: how do I zoom in Fennec?22:27
cehtehactually i think at least microb works this way22:27
RST38h(not asking about changing font, I know it is a lost case :()22:27
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konttoridoes anyone know why is it that after I install flv support to gstreamer, media player is still not able to play flv files22:28
RST38hIsn't media player using hardcoded gst path that does not allow inserting extra modules?22:28
* konttori is trying if he has better luck with audiosync for h264 flv running 640xsomething 22:29
konttoriRST38h: what?22:29
wiretappedthat would suck if so22:29
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RST38hkonttori: well, it came up when we discussed adding subtitles to the media player22:30
SpeedEvilRST38h: double-click22:30
RST38hkonttori: apparently, all the needed gst plugins exist, and there is even a package in extras-devel. But you cannot tell media player to use them.22:30
RST38hOk, disabling javascript in Fennec RC3 actually helps a little22:32
RST38hstill three seconds until task switcher comes up22:32
konttoriRST38h: what the *ck.22:32
RST38hkonttori: yes. the *ck.22:33
RST38hkonttori: talk to lardman, he seems to know the bloody details.22:33
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konttoriany idea who came up with that genius idea for media player?22:33
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RST38hkonttori: Tomaszd is the guy behind flv plugin and other decoder plugins22:33
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RST38hkonttori; You should know better :)22:34
konttorialso, extra-bad plugins have disappeared from devel22:34
meceoo aa! I guess I could just make buttons with images instead of using eventboxes with images in them. Makes sense.22:34
konttoriRST38h: media player development is done in oulu. (yeah, I'm trying to figure out an excuse why I had no clue that we had something so silly implemented)22:34
* RST38h wonders if Fennec people ever thought about adding zooming options to Fennec22:35
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RST38hBecause the double tap is nearly useless half the time22:35
RST38hkonttori: ab knows a few details, on your side22:35
shamusthe has to be a way to get better batery life then this out of the old n800 i have to recharge it daily and thats with it just siting on the home screen22:35
meceRST38h, double tap in MicroB is very very usable. Is fennec different?22:36
RST38hmece: yep22:36
meceRST38h, well bummer. So I guess MicroB is still king.22:36
konttoriwho is ab?22:36
RST38hmece: Basically, if the element you are tapping on is still large (like a large pane in LiveJournal), tapping it will make tiniest font just a little bit bigger :)22:37
konttoriI'll talk to stefan kost or rene about this22:37
meceRST38h, D'oh!22:37
cehtehkonttori: is stefan on the maemo team?22:37
RST38hkonttori: ah, btw, BT AVRCP is handled by the media player rather than some lower-level code22:38
mgedmin900heh, for me in microb doubletappping in livejournal zooms out a bit22:38
mgedmin900which is good - no more horizontal scrolling22:38
RST38hkonttori: As result of that, AVRCP does not work unless you hae got the whole media player running (does not work on the applet alone) and cannot be used by other apps22:38
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lcukkonttori, alexander bokovoy, imaging god22:39
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RST38hkonttori: Sometime ago you asked about developer / system bugs, this is one of them22:39
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RST38hIn theory, it would have to run in background and inject correct key events wherever applicable22:40
konttoriRST38h: so, you mean that MAFW is not handling it, as it should?22:41
konttorilcuk: I didn't know ab was god also in that front. He's really a terrific guy.22:41
konttoriRST38h: well, sounds like that's on the level of carelessness that won't get easily fixed. damn.22:42
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RST38hkonttori: afaik it should get injected way below mafw22:43
RST38hkonttori: but yes, mafw probably does not handle it either22:43
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konttoriwow. So, I have mplayer which cannot keep in sync with h264 flv files and gstreamer, which is not showing video at all for those (even after installing flv codec), and media player that could not use the flv codec in any case.22:47
konttoriisn't that nice.22:47
konttoriI suppose I'll just continue working on getting the mplayer sync issue solved then.22:48
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jebbakonttori i built videolan (vlc) if you're interested in checking that out. Not optified tho22:50
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konttorijebba: great. all neon optimizations in place?22:52
konttorijebba: in extras-devel already?22:52
jebbakonttori, no i didn't upload it to extras. I could though. The /opt thing was what held me back.22:52
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jebbait breaks all the plugins, of which is basically everythingin vlc22:52
konttorioptification breaks those? how come?22:53
konttorican't you just symlink the entire folder?22:53
konttoriand opt out from the normal optification22:53
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konttorihmmm... testing now.22:54
jebbakonttori, ya i could do manually optification.  maemo-optify-deb breaks plugins though (known bug)22:54
konttoriyeah, I really recomend doing manual optification always22:54
jebbait was sorta just a "quickei"22:54
konttorithe optifier really isn't doing such a super job22:54
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jebbawell, i think it does ok when it works.22:55
konttorianyway, i'm really eager to see how vlc runs22:55
jebbai can recompile with -neonfoo etc, i dont think it picked that p.22:55
jebbai did that for ffmpeg & others IIRC22:55
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jebbanote, this isn't the vlc that (Claude?) the guy from Nokia is doing.22:56
jebbahis is way more tweaked for n900, AFAICT.22:56
jebbai'm surprised he doesnt build debs for it yet.22:56
jebbaRemi is the person i'm thinking of.22:56
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ptl_is keepassx already on the extras/extras-devel repositories?22:57
RST38hkonttori: There may still be time to make media player pipeline configurable before pr1.222:57
RST38hkonttori: maybe via gconf value, or some /etc/configfile22:58
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* RST38h ==> sleep22:59
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konttoribut shouldn't playbin2 just handle the pipelines automagically?22:59
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konttorijebba: I'm getting no route to host from your server23:00
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jebba ./
konttoritesting now through 3g and works23:01
jebba       to there? from what IP?23:01
konttoriseems to work now23:01
pupnikwow look at all of jebba's modules23:03
konttorijebba: vlc-nox and fribidi cannot be installed23:04
konttoripupnik: what's the best setting for mplayer on n90023:05
konttoriI heard you are using it a lot23:05
pupniki encoded pal to 720x480 with mpeg4 and mplayer is still kind of slow23:05
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pupnikbarely handles it23:05
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ml-mobileI had to push down to iPhone level resolution to get smooth playback23:06
konttoriso, you use the default player then?23:07
pupnikfor video yes, it has more oomph23:07
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konttorixv is the best, vo, pulse the best ao?23:07
pupnikyou can get mplayer to skip pulse :) but i rarely bother23:07
pupnikpasuspender and mplayer -ao with the exact device23:08
pupniklemme look23:08
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ml-mobilenothing I've encoded works in the default player23:11
ShadowJKSD is too primitive to do be able to do anything intelligent in response to a TRIM command..23:12
ShadowJKWhat would be a much biggr boost would be if they could run the same sort of FTL as indilinx and intel do on their SSDs...23:12
SpeedEvilShadowJK: an alternative would be a simple 'get out of my way' mode.23:12
SpeedEvilShadowJK: where it merely exposes the NAND array23:13
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ShadowJKBut considering they need 64Megs of RAM to do it, we probably wont see it in SD23:13
ShadowJKWell that would let you run ubifs...23:13
SpeedEvilShadowJK: it depends - there are all sorts of possible ways to implemnt TRIM23:13
pupnikkonttori: pasuspender -- mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0.023:13
ShadowJKbut trim doesn't really help with write amplifiction23:14
SpeedEvilShadowJK: as part of a properly structured FS it does23:14
jebbakonttori i was able to install vlc-nox. What error youget?   I dont have fribidi installed though23:14
jebbapupnik:  if you do -ao alsa, you still get sent thru pulse.23:14
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ShadowJKWhat would help would be a fake-FTL we could run on top of anything :)23:15
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pupniki check output of 'top' and see no pulseaudio using cpu, which is what matters 2 me23:15
jebbaah, well, if you turn off pulse, then you're good. ;)23:16
jebbasudo stop pulseaudio          <-- turns off pulse as well.23:16
jebbaI just wish i could get jack running in realtime mode  ;)23:16
pupnikwe got a nice update of pulseaudio-utils from someone at nokia on a sunday :D23:16
ShadowJKthe people who could write are too rich to write code that helps cheap hw though :)23:16
DocScrutinizer(stop pa) what about inbound calls then?23:17
pupnik'Too Rich To Code' would be a funny t-shirt23:17
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DocScrutinizerwould there stoll be ringtone?23:18
konttoripupnik: thanks23:18
DocScrutinizerstill even23:18
jebbapupnik: ya, the pasuspender does that. I was lagging and didnt see you had done that.23:18
ShadowJKlogfs can run both on mtd and block :)23:18
konttorijebba: that it's not able to install that (apt-get)23:18
jebbakonttori sometimes it lists the conflicts. But again, i dont have fribidi installed. pastebinning might help. You get hte other vlc bits installed?23:19
konttoriyeah, everything else but those two.23:19
jaw_vvdhi, in order to run OpenGL ES commands, is there some special setup needed in code?23:19
jaw_vvd(maemo 5)23:20
konttorijebba. ah, depends libavcodec-52 but it's not installable23:20
jebbaah, fwiw, i don't have vlc installed, don't have fribidi installed, but i do have vlc.nox isntalled.  konttori then you need maemo-extras enabled too.23:21
konttoriand that depends on libspeex23:21
konttoriwhich is not installable23:21
konttoriit's not available apparently23:21
konttorineed to hit bed now.23:21
pupnikgoodnight konttori - cheers23:22
jebbagnite. libspeex is in extras* somewhere ,)23:22
jebbasleep well23:22
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* pwnguin demands someone build sipe.sf.net23:23
pwnguinand i guess integrate it with telepathy =/23:23
ShadowJKi think speex is in some nokia repo..23:24
ShadowJKor atleast it came installed in the VM image SDK23:24
pwnguini need office communicator specifically =/23:24
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SpeedEvilspeex is23:25
SpeedEvilat least some repository23:25
SpeedEvilI use it for occasional announcements23:25
ShadowJKI only know because I built mplayer and it automatically soaks up eveyr dependency that exists on the build system ;-)23:26
jebbaya, speex is there for sure.23:27
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jebbai think it may not be in extras though, but in the "main" repo.  (?)23:29
jebbalibspeex1 libspeexdsp1   not in extras, but in some repo23:29
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Quibusafter yesterday's problems, I simply reinstalled Scratchbox and all is working again now23:35
QuibusNow I simply want to get some Debian packages uploaded. Is there a guide on what I should change to them, or can I just upload the as they are now?23:35
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Stskeepsspeex is in non free, bsd licensed with a properitary nokia patch, hence closed (there is a bug on it)23:37
Stskeepsit adds neon acceleration to speex23:37
* lcuk lobs some water onto the coals23:38
Stskeepsyou installed your own sauna?23:38
wolf^what's the best way to access "framebuffer" on n900?23:39
wolf^ie. have pointer to video memory associated with full screen window23:39
wolf^assuming I don't wan't to use SDL23:39
wolf^is gtk worth exploring, or should I use raw X11 api?23:40
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wazdcan you hear me now?)23:40
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jXspeaking of hear me now, anyone else had issues with the ear speaker cutting in and out?23:41
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jebbaQuibus: which debian packages?23:42
Quibusjebba: openmsx and deps cbios and pasmo23:43
Stskeepswazd: moo23:44
jebbai'm rebuilding etch right now, but i'm only at g*23:44
ptlmaemo should support LEAP :-/'23:44
wazdStskeeps, heya23:45
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Stskeepsjebba, any luck with obs?23:45
shamusare there any flac players for maemo?23:45
jebbaStskeeps: i got opensuse + obs installed, but haven't taken it any further. I gave lbt an account, but i think he just poked around but didnt set up anything23:46
pwnguinshamus: pretty sure there's a flac codec in extras23:46
DocScrutinizerwazd: ~ping23:46
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wazdanyone knows if maemo team has found UI designer they were looking for recently?23:46
jebbaya, flac is in extras.23:46
DocScrutinizerwazd: is a useful cmd ;-)23:46
shamusis the n800 powerfull emnugth?23:46
pwnguinshamus: so you'd just install that and the media player should handle it fine23:46
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Stskeepsjebba: initial impressions?23:47
wazdDocScrutinizer, not if channel has +R )23:47
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puslinghmm... how should I ask via dbus if there is a connection to the internet ?23:47
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DocScrutinizerwazd: exactly *when* you want to know if anybody (e.g. apt) can hear you23:47
pwnguinptl: maemo should support my employer's cisco captive gateway23:48
DocScrutinizerwazd: on a +R chan23:48
wazdDocScrutinizer, hmmm23:48
wazdStskeeps, I've uploaded new Marina btw23:49
shamuswithjch repository?23:49
Stskeepswazd: yeah saw, cool23:49
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pwnguinoh thats annoying. is there no way to block IMs from people not on your buddy list?23:50
shamusahh have not enabled thatone yet i dont thunk23:50
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ptlpwnguin: does it have anything to do with LEAP?23:50
pwnguinptl: i doubt it. its a webpage that you get redirected to and put AD credentials into23:51
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anprhey, maybe i will ask a pop question but i still can not find bright answer to it23:52
ptland then your network connection goes ok, isn't it? Doesn't it work with maemo?23:52
anpris nokia thinking to update ovi maps to free on maemo 5?23:52
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pwnguinptl: its annoying to type in, espec since you have to authenticate before VOIP / email / IM / apt-get work23:53
DocScrutinizerI wonder when that friggin "usb charger not recognized" annoyance will get fixed23:53
ptlok, but it should be trivial to write a script for that using WWW::Mechanize or something23:53
pwnguinptl: i agree, just havent done it yet. i gather LEAP is much harder23:54
anprguys ? :)23:54
Aquarinawhat's the default pass for root on maemo (n810)? wasn't it rootme?23:54
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DocScrutinizerit just asked me "mass storage or nokiasuite?" on removal(!!!) of charger plug, after another time not noticing the plugin (as it does 90% of the times)23:55
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DocScrutinizeranpr: nokia devels newsletter of 1h ago mentioned new ovimaps with guidance. Seems they want it for maemo as well, afaikt from what they wrote23:57
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anprDocScrutinizer does that word maemo meens n900 ?23:58
DocScrutinizermaemo5(TM) probably means n90023:58
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anpryeah, probably23:59
DocScrutinizerthough they haven't mentioned maemo explicitly iirc23:59
anprany dates mentioned ?23:59
puslingI heard rumors that maemo6 might run on n900, but also rumers that it might not run on n900.23:59
* w00t glazes over23:59
anprpusling probably rubish23:59
anpri would think that maemo 6 come with new device23:59
anprfor market reasons23:59

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