IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-01-09

pupnikmwhaha winXP cant install itself on a blank 1.5tb drive00:00
jon1012there is some kind of pc connectivity manager00:00
jon1012that adds an entry in the settings panel00:00
pupnikor a usb drive00:00
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jebbaStskeeps: climbed a mountain, went to an asado (BBQ), and then horseback riding. ;)   so got some vacation in.   Was trying to find the fotos i took!00:01
Sargunjon1012, hmm00:01
jebbaShadowJK: i was looking for such a setting. lemme doublecheck00:01
Stskeepsjebba: hehe, cool00:01
jebbai gave my 5 year old a stick to hit the horse so he would go faster, and he wound up being the fastest one(!). some lady fell off her horse. Super intense here in the mountains. Very nice.00:02
DocScrutinizer51jebba: lol00:03
jebbaah duh, its in the camera settings, not the image viewer00:04
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DocScrutinizer51jebba: yes00:06
DocScrutinizer51sorry I wasn't alert to tell you00:06
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jebbaStskeeps: though i think you're right re: irc. We came back and both of us jumped on the computer hhah.  He's hacking Lincity. Me: "You making a lake for the city?" "No, i'm flooding it"   heh.00:08
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DocScrutinizer51new venice hack ;-P00:09
ml-N900:( reboot00:09
jebbaor army corps engineers    /me ducks00:10
jon1012someone knows how to fix the webcam quality ?00:10
jon1012without waiting 3 months for the new maemo release ?00:10
jon1012right now it's very very ugly00:11
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Flandrythe webcam has VGA resolution00:12
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jon1012(event if I love maemo and the ecosystem around it... I sometime ask myself if they even have qc and testing at nokia)00:12
Flandry<0.5 MPixel00:12
Flandryit's not going to get "fixed" lol00:12
jebbajon1012: rumour has it, it is fixed in the next release. In the git tree of the camera kernel branch has had a bunch of activity00:12
jon1012Flandry: ok about that... but a big bar in the middle ? big points all around the picture ?00:12
DocScrutinizer51jon1012: buy 3pcs 1000W floodlights00:12
jebbaFlandry: ya, it's broken. It's banding bad on the right, the gain is way to high, and controls on it can't be set.00:12
Flandrywell that maybe ;)00:12
jebbait's a kernel driver issue.00:13
Flandryusually is :P00:13
Flandrydo you know if there's any technical reason cups hasn't been ported?00:13
jon1012how can they release a product without testing those stuff ? :-/ I find myself like a beta tester even if I bought a 650 euros device00:13
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jebbaI *think* this is the tree they do the camera development on: git://
DocScrutinizer51Flandry: basically the chip control is borked00:14
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Flandrychip control?00:14
Flandryreferring to what?00:15
DocScrutinizer51Flandry: things like setting sensitivity, exposure time, etc pp00:15
Flandryok regarding the cam00:15
jebbacontrast, brightness etc00:16
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jebbavideo4linux controls00:16
DocScrutinizer51etc etc ;-)00:16
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pupnikhahaha winxp trashed the drive so that cfdisk cant repartition it00:17
jebbaFlandry: i also *think* it's in the origin/rx51 branch of that git tree. It's last update is Dec 3100:17
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* lcuk can smell something00:18
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lcukkonttori, no its in my todo for monday morning00:19
lcukive put them online00:19
lcukand a few people have been testing00:19
lcukthe package seems stable00:19
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pupniklcuk is a windows programmer00:20
lcukindeed i am pupnik00:21
pupnikdd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=819200:22
jebbacount=? ;)00:23
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* Analias thinks pupnik enjoys being evil00:23
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ml-N900runs until EOF :)00:23
jebbaah, that'll fix it00:23
* ml-N900 zones out on the technical details of PCIe 3.000:24
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* GeneralAntilles facepalms.00:24
* frals notices how coding time decreases when watching tmo-thread00:25
* lcuk notices how time vanisheswhn trying to warm up after goin shop00:25
* frals facepalms along with GeneralAntilles00:25
fralslcuk: i went earlier, tried to keep up with irc while walking, display lag was too bad in ~-15 :(00:26
lcuki had lag on my pipe and slippers00:26
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GeneralAntillesfrals, Talk is so inane these days.00:28
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Flandryas opposed to last month00:30
* GeneralAntilles misses the pre-N900 days.00:31
Flandrywhy does maemo use antique debian tools00:31
Flandryis there a good reason00:31
MohammadAGFlash Player 10.1 Firmware upgrade? LOL00:31
ShadowJKThey upgraded them. The previous ones were half a decade old, these are newer!00:31
FlandryThese are less than half a decade?00:32
MohammadAGflash player is firmware now? :p00:32
ShadowJKiirc codesourcery 2007 or something for the compiler..00:32
Flandrywhatcha talking about MohammadAG00:32
MohammadAGthread on tmo flandry00:32
Flandryoh, nevermind then :P00:32
Flandryversion is up to 7, maemo uses 4, right?00:33
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Anidelso Firefox Mobile went to 1.0.0 :)00:37
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MohammadAGwow no offense intended but is a bit sad00:37
jon1012I just installed firefox mobile 1.000:38
MohammadAGthe n900 was definatel a step back for the forums00:38
jon1012(however I had to deactivate all the extensions beside weave to get decent performance :))00:38
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AakashPatelSomeoen bid on my n900 on ebay :P00:40
AakashPatelI needa at least get one bid before i get a new phone haha00:40
ifreqAakashPatel: why selling?00:40
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AakashPatelDon't use it too much, so decided to sell it00:40
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, it brought all of the inane idiots screaming out of the woodwork.00:40
Flandrydebhelper compatibilty is at 7 with eg ubuntu, but 4 for maemo00:41
MohammadAGindeed GeneralAntilles, same with a ps3 forum i'm on. when there was a price cut the forums was filled with stupid questions00:41
MohammadAGironically, all the answers are in the manual00:42
* MohammadAG needs to remap his keyboard to allow tab in xchat00:42
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fralsMohammadAG: shift + space in latest xchat from repos00:44
fralsor was it ctrl space.. :P00:44
ShadowJK(and it's configurable in xchat settings)00:45
MohammadAGwhen was it released?00:47
ml-N900couple days ago00:48
MohammadAGcause i did an apt-get update an hour ago and there weren't any upgrades fox xchat00:48
MohammadAGshift space just gives me a space00:48
ml-N900hit help->about00:48
MohammadAGand ctrl space says input language change00:48
MohammadAGCompiled: Jan  3 201000:48
ml-N900mine has a date of January 3rd00:49
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: open settings advanced key-shortcuts00:49
DocScrutinizer51set up nick completion to whatever you like00:49
Flandryomg cups has a lot of dependencies00:50
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, thanks00:50
DocScrutinizer51you don't need a fany update to setup preferences of an app, do you?00:50
MohammadAGset it as ctrl right00:50
DocScrutinizer51heh me too00:51
MohammadAGme? no. i just never noticed that in xchat00:51
DocScrutinizer51nah shift right here00:51
MohammadAGbeen using it for a year though00:51
MohammadAGdon't like the feel of using shift all the time00:51
MohammadAGupper row is a bit more comfortable for me to use00:51
MohammadAGpersonal preference :)00:52
DocScrutinizer51Vme likes the word skip of ctrl+cursor00:52
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MohammadAGidk, i just don't feel like pressing shift right00:54
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MohammadAGgonna turn off auto complete/predictive text, never used it except in nick completion00:55
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MohammadAG"this is killing my root DIR :P" not a laughing or :P-ing matter imo01:00
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MaemohammadAGswitched off the device by mistake :/01:03
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* ccooke is pleased to see the backup utility still restores applications :-)01:08
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Chikuthere are alot people on this chan01:11
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Chikumost are afk I think :)01:11
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AnidelMozilla Weave is very cool :)
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sshinobiHi, I"m trying to get into RD mode on my Nokia N800 using flasher-3.0. I've booted my n800 into USB mode, and ran the software, and the error I get is "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy."01:13
sshinobiany way I can fix that? perhaps if this isn't the right channel, could you direct me to the correct channel?01:13
Anidelsshinobi, I think it's best if you reboot your Linux desktop and try again..01:14
AnidelI get the same error sometimes and only fix I found is reboot :(01:14
sshinobialright, I'll try that. Thanks!01:15
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KamuiN900anyone elses camera slide feel a little loose?01:24
ifreqno sire01:24
KamuiN900maybe ive been working it too much01:25
xorAxAxKamuiN900: cehteh has the problem01:25
KamuiN900i think i need a new back anyway01:25
KamuiN900no magnet on mine01:25
cehtehthats a common problem, i repaired mine, but i send this device back next week anyways01:25
cehtehthe camera slide has a spring, which sometimes comes off01:26
KamuiN900for the microsd01:26
KamuiN900i thinkmine was just missing01:26
KamuiN900the cover detector or whatever01:26
lcukccooke, am always impressed by how smoothly the backup/restore is most of the time01:27
cehtehthe cover detector is a infrared reflex sensor01:27
KamuiN900dude i love xchat01:28
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Anidelcool Firefox for Mobile is gecko 1.9.2 and based on FF 3.601:29
Anidelcan't wait for them to optimize it more01:30
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woglindejo lcuk01:30
Anidelit's called Firefox now, but yes01:30
cehtehhehe .. optimize more :)01:30
Anidelhey lcuk01:30
lcukhiya woglinde and hey Anidel \o01:31
cehtehi'd say thats a dman requirement for making it useable :P01:31
lcukAnidel, how are you coping in snow, i hear Jaffa is stuck in london01:31
cehtehi have no 2Ghz cpu in my phone and no 2GB ram01:31
Anidelwell I live in London, so it's ok for me to be stuck here :p01:31
AnidelI'm coping with it quite well unfortunately.. the main road from home to work is clear of snow :(01:32
KamuiN900yup cehteh i have the SAME issue on my slide01:32
KamuiN900damn it01:32
woglindewhen was the last time so much snow hits GB?01:32
Chikuany link listing all enable repositories for n900?01:32
KamuiN900ill email nokia, but they still havent even responded about my missing back magnet01:32
Anidelwoglinde, seems something like 30 years01:32
lcuklol Anidel so no sledging for you01:33
Anidelyeah saw it cehteh :)01:33
cehtehAnidel: prolly the only free road :)01:33
Anidellcuk, indeed :p01:33
Anidelcehteh, ehehe it's right out of my window :p01:33
* lcuk blames anidel for using all the grit01:33
cehteheven here ists snowing01:33
* Anidel blames the Major of London for using all the grit on my road only :p01:33
lcukwhere is here?01:33
cehtehkarlsruhe, germany01:34
lcukAnidel, he personally did the gritting himself01:34
cehtehgermanys warmest town, upper rhine valley01:34
lcuk"if anidel can get to work, the rest of the country will be ok"01:34
Anidelwasn't for here sorry.. already sent that01:34
* Anidel nods01:34
lcukhep Anidel i made a prototype dock for my n900!01:35
Anidelit's cool how I open tabs on the Dell and find them listed on the N900.. I like that01:35
lcukthat is uber cool01:35
lcukwas it easy to configure01:35
lcukand does it need a central server01:35
Anidelthey have the central server01:36
lcukso you can see the tabs your girlfriend opens wilst you are out at work o_O :D01:36
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* thomaz just bought a n900, will get it tomorrow :)01:36
Anideland yes it's easy to configure. just install it on all of your FF ... it landed to 1.0RC few days ago (Mozilla Weave)01:36
lcuknice one thomaz hope you enjoy it01:36
* Anidel likes lcuk idea.. mmm01:36
lcukAnidel, remember though it works both ways lol01:37
thomazwhat linux distro do you (all) use?01:37
Anidelahah right :P01:37
GAN900Too bad FF sucks on OS X.01:37
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thomazi mean on laptop/desktop computers01:37
lcukAnidel, tho im sure samantha (am i right?) will want to read the articles on lol01:38
woglindedebian unstable01:38
lcuki use ubuntu on my laptop (curse it every day) and winxp on my desktop01:38
* Anidel nods to lcuk 01:38
thomazi run gentoo here, hope i'll have luck integrating it with maemo01:38
lcukthomaz, in the past people have built gentoo on the n8x0 devices01:39
Anidellcuk, you mean compiled straight on the device ? :D01:39
thomazinitially i just want to get used to it and make sure the sdk works01:40
lcuk believe they did most of it there after initial bootstrapping, but i might be wrong01:40
GeneralAntillesDarius is back!01:40
lcukawww GeneralAntilles you have been waiting patiently01:40
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GeneralAntillesDarius for Council 2010!01:40
lcuklook at how much you missed him by the number of exclamation points01:40
lcukdarius was never a forumfag tho was he?01:41
GeneralAntillesHe was.01:41
Anidelahhh that darius :)01:41
GeneralAntillesBoth mailing lists and the forums.01:41
lcuki thought his skills were limited to the mailing lists01:41
woglindelcuk do you still compile native on the devices?01:41
* Anidel too01:41
lcukwoglinde, at the moment, surprisingly no01:41
ssvbthomaz: looks like scratchbox is available in portage now01:42
thomazssvb, awesome01:42
lcuki am not doing much compiling anywhere :S01:42
lcuki spent a bit of time over christmas cleaning stuff up01:42
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, he's in the forum for a while now01:42
lcukbut im so wiped out after work01:42
* GeneralAntilles facepalms at Matan.01:42
Anidellcuk, how is it going with the job?01:43
lcukits hard work Anidel, lots to take in01:43
Anidellcuk, cool, you like it then01:43
lcukyeah very muchly so01:43
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* lcuk is going to warmer climates very soon too01:44
ssvbthomaz: basically there was this bug with ebuilds for a very long time (and I used them myself successfully):
lcukescaping the cold!01:45
lcukssvb, you are a gentooer then too?01:45
thomazssvb, do you run gentoo now?01:45
* Anidel liked gentoo a lot.. 01:45
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mikhas... until udev ruined your box? =p01:46
Anideledhehe no until I simply left it.. dunno why actually01:47
ssvbthomaz: yes, but right now I'm running it on ppc64 hardware, no scratchbox and maemo sdk here yet :)01:47
Anidelbut I started from the 16mb iso image and re-compiled everything from scratch01:47
Anidelwith the right settings.. it took me a week or more to install it.. I liked it :)01:47
jhforddoes the new flasher understand ubifs images, or do i still need to make jffs2 images?01:48
mikhaswell, compared to how difficult it is to get custom package versions onto an ubuntu box ... yeah, I miss overlays01:48
mikhasbut actually the best part for me was the vanilla kernel experience. never had a more stable laptop linux01:48
lcukAnidel, about the dock thing:
lcuksuper silly but it wfm01:49
lcuk(dont be distracted by the color dialog ;))01:49
Anidelthe dock thing?01:50
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lcukstandin dock :D01:50
lcuki needed to have pokability01:50
AnidelI think I am missing something...01:50
lcukand when i make a proper on i want to see if i can have power to it01:50
jhfordAnidel, i cant resist:
lcukyes i mentioned up there ^01:51
lcukjust once01:51
mikhasjhford, of course - it's true!01:51
Anidellcuk, ... mmm01:51
Anidelehheh jhford01:51
simula_say what you want about gentoo, but their handbooks are so sweet01:52
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jebbasimula_: agreed++01:52
jon1012is there a telepathy plugin for facebook chat ?01:52
* Anidel nods and agrees01:53
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mikhaswell, it was good for learning.01:54
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mikhasonly that I forgot most if not everything by now01:54
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ssvbto make it more fun, I'm also running gentoo on this thing (with real keyboard, LCD monitor and hard drive): :)01:55
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woglindejo jebba01:56
Chikuhow come conky display 250mhz for n900 ?01:56
woglindessvb with gles and dsp stuff?01:57
woglindechiku because the conky code is wrong?01:57
Chikupowersaving cpu state?01:57
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woglindeChiku jupp01:58
ssvbwoglinde: have not tried SGX and DSP on it yet, just normal linux desktop01:58
Chikuoh I make n900 busy and I see 600mhz because back 250mhz01:58
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jebbahey woglinde02:01
lcukChiku, the cpu will always prefer to be in a lower speed state02:01
lcuklower speed == longer battery life02:02
GAN900lcuk, sometimes.02:02
GAN900lcuk, race-to-idle and such.02:02
GAN900Chiku, the N900's powersaving is quite capable of handling itself. ;)02:02
ShadowJKIf it has nothing to do than service trivial timers, 250MHz wins :P02:03
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woglindethe sucecssor of sheevaplug will run with 2 ghz02:03
fralsim loving my sheevaplug02:03
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simula_sheevaplug does look pretty cool :)02:04
simula_what are you doing with it?02:04
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fralswebserver, eggdrops, irssi02:06
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simula_webserver sounds pretty ideal02:07
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woglindewebserver and fileserver02:08
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woglindewith usb<->video you can plug a monitor in02:08
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* frals ponders how to get users to actually read and follow instructions before reporting errors02:09
woglindefrals forget it02:10
woglindenever works02:10
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fralsfigured as much :<02:12
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Sarguncan I kill the GUI on my n900?02:13
cehtehfor what?02:15
cehtehif it gets killed some watchdog will trigger and reboot02:16
cehtehbut you can prolly shut it down safely, just a bit hard to access the device then unless you have a ssh session open02:16
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luke-jrsimula_: SheevaPlug is only ARMv4 tho02:18
luke-jrcontrast with N900 being ARMv702:19
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simula_i totally agree luke-jr, just thinking it's more convenient for some plugged-in type applications and it's pretty cheap :)02:20
luke-jrI suppose02:20
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ssvbluke-jr: isn't sheevaplug armv5te + iwmmxt?02:21
woglindesheeva is not armv402:21
AakashPatellowered my auction for n900 to 3 days02:21
AakashPatelends sunday02:21
AakashPatelGo get some02:22
luke-jrssvb: I thought v4?02:22
fralsCPU architecture: 5TE02:22
luke-jrARMADA 500/600 are v702:23
fralson mine at least :)02:23
luke-jrwhy don't they use that? :/02:23
ssvbluke-jr: AFAIK those ARMADA chips don't have neon, so it's kind of fake v7 :)02:25
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ShadowJKmy sheevaplug is armv5te, no fpu :)02:25
ShadowJKand no iwmmxt02:25
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sshinobiI'm trying to locate files within my Nokia N800. I'm not able to find where my documents are in Xterm.02:26
luke-jrsshinobi: look for hidden dirs under MyDocs02:26
jebbaSargun: you can start a getty on tty3  and `chvt 3` to it, but X will still be running.02:26
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luke-jrsshinobi: to see hidden dirs, use ls -A02:26
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Jef91hey all02:26
ssvbShadowJK: really? can you post /proc/cpuinfo from it somewhere?02:26
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luke-jrjebba: does that actually work? IIRC, the whole display-turn-off thing depends on X input yet turns off even console...02:27
jebbaluke-jr: yes, i've done it.  periodically X refreshes the screen *over* the console, but you can `clear` it. You stay in the console, it doesnt flip you over.02:28
Jef91is there a way, I can still get a txt msg beep when I am listening to music on my n90002:28
jebbaof course, the keymap is crap--only alpha basically.02:28
ssvbShadowJK: ok, thanks. I also googled a bit in the mean time. Lack of even iwmmxt makes it quite bad for multimedia02:29
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ShadowJKthat and iwmmxt doesn't enjoy the kind of "free ride" as neon does :)02:30
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MaemohammadAGnn peeps02:31
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woglindeShadowJK with out dsp there is no fun02:32
ShadowJKI think DSP is the least fun of them all.02:34
ssvbShadowJK: there is too much fun with DSP :)02:39
sshinobiwhen looking for debian packages to download, like libssl0.9.7, can I download it from the debian package repository, or should I look for it on Maemo?02:39
Caesiumcoo, I just noticed that the calendar widget *does* show birthdays, but only on the day, not in advance02:40
Caesiumnot much good if I forget to get a present :)02:40
Caesiumsshinobi: technically they should work from debian arm repo but you'll  have hell with dependencies02:41
sshinobiI'm trying to get Nmap to work on it, and it says this is the only dependency it needs to work.02:42
Caesiumworth a shot then :)02:42
sshinobibut which version should I download? Theres x86, Alpha, AMD64...02:43
sshinobican I assume that for all future downloads from the Deb. Package Repository should be from arm?02:43
Caesiumyes, arm is the type of cpu in the n90002:44
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luke-jrARM is the architecture. TI OMAP 2 is the type02:45
luke-jrassuming 'type' is similar to Athlon64 vs Pentium vs Core202:45
ShadowJKomap3 in n90002:46
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sshinobihow do I find my n800's IP address if its connected to the network?02:52
ShadowJKthere's a homeip applet... and also /sbin/ifconfig in terminal02:53
ShadowJKunder wlan0.... inet addr:02:53
sshinobialright cool02:53
sshinobiconnection refused02:54
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ssvbluke-jr: that's not a good comparison, more like ARM9/ARM11/Cortex-A8 are similar to Athlon64/Pentium/Core2, these all are microarchitectures:
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sshinobiI've found that the Maemo website has Zenmap, but I don't have sax.saxutils.03:04
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VDVsxups, selling phones is not easy as it seems :p :
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jebbaovernight shipping took 3 days!03:25
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fralsyey my blogpost made it to frontpage.. at the bottom, but still frontpage! ;-)03:27
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jebbaah cool frals, nice one. Check that one off the list  ;)03:30
fralsyepp, two major milestones.. * dont go insane reading wsp/mms docs * frontpage03:30
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Jef91hey all03:37
Jef91anyone else here use the gameboy emulator on their N900?03:37
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luke-jrssvb: I agree your ARM subdivisions are better03:52
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sshinobi I am lost. Can anyone help?04:21
AakashPatelGet a map04:22
matthew-ovi maps cant help tbh04:22
sshinobiI can't even get my maps to work :/04:22
matthew-sshinobi: Why?04:22
matthew-sshinobi: Best way is to describe your problem04:23
matthew-and if someone knows - they will help.04:23
sshinobialright, here goes04:23
ColdFyreare there plans/talks for maemo 6 for the n900?04:24
sshinobiI'm trying to get Nmap to work on my Nokia N800. Most of the repositories online support OS2007, and I've got OS2008. Theres a lot of talk of just being able to copy the .deb over to your N800 and it should work, but I've had no success getting any of my pentesting tools to work.04:24
* SpeedEvil just scribbles on some paper to pen test.04:25
SpeedEvilgood luck.04:25
* SpeedEvil goes back to sleep.04:25
sshinobiTL;DR - I push button, it not work.04:26
matthew-sshinobi: console, apt-get install nmap04:26
matthew-(as a root)04:27
sshinobiwait, maemo comes with apt-get?04:27
matthew-its debian based?04:27
sshinobiI don't have much experience with debian, sorry :)04:27
matthew-how would you think packets are managed. Geez. I've got nothing to do with IT and I know it.04:27
luke-jrMaemo uses apt-get yes04:27
sshinobislackware and bt3/4 yeah04:27
luke-jr(of course, modern Debian and Debian-based distros use aptitude instead)04:27
matthew-luke-jr: Do they? :)04:28
luke-jrColdFyre: no.04:28
* sshinobi writes this down04:28
* matthew- << Solaris fannboi04:28
sshinobiI'm a psych student myself04:28
luke-jrmatthew-: yes.04:28
luke-jrmatthew-: apt-* <command> becomes aptitude <command>04:28
matthew-sshinobi: I work for a finance fund04:28
matthew-luke-jr: ah04:28
matthew-03:28 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from matthew-: irssi v0.8.12 - running on SunOS sun4u04:28
luke-jrno more memorizing which apt-BLAH it is04:28
luke-jrand aptitude even tracks dependencies on removal04:29
luke-jrso removing stuff doesn't leave cruft behind04:29
matthew-So they moved to pkg_** like in bsd's04:29
matthew-same thing, tracks dependencies etc.04:30
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matthew-03:31 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from user_: irssi v0.8.14 - running on Linux armv7l04:31
matthew-that's maemo response ;d04:31
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matthew-if anyone is interested:04:32
matthew-got still loads of wave invites etc..04:32
juharmatthew-, tell why i should be intrested?04:33
matthew-juhar: Dunno, i just discovered twitter!04:33
matthew-i want to do my own blog too!04:34
matthew-a lot about politics i have to say04:34
matthew-but cant ;D04:34
juharwhy not?04:34
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matthew-Well, looking at my current job I can't openly say my views ;d04:35
matthew-without loosing hmm, clients to say the least04:35
matthew-u know, i work in finance, withjews.04:36
matthew-with jews* even04:36
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jXSome people don't like Jews. I rather do. Mel Gibson said, "Jews start all the wars and control all the money." Well, if that's true, why would you ever want to piss them off?04:37
matthew-jX: Oh, i'm a jew.04:37
jXplease don't turn my house into a battlefield and take all my money!04:37
juharjX, do you know what Tom Cruise said?04:37
matthew-funny thing about shalom04:37
jXjuhar: I heard he said "You don't KNOW the history of psychology!"04:37
matthew-everyone takes as it means 'peace'04:38
matthew-which is like a veeery small part of the meaning04:38
matthew-the TRUE meaning is:04:38
juharjX, and he built some bunker because ufo's are coming04:38
matthew-'i hope ill turn your house into a battlefirld and then i take all your gold and money'04:38
jXjuhar: Xenu is coming, Xenu is coming!04:38
jXmatthew-: Damnit! I knew it!04:38
jXFWIW I was made an honorary Jew by the family of a girl I dated.04:39
juharjX, yeah that was it04:39
jXthey were all Jewish.04:39
matthew-well, if they mother is jewish its ok04:39
jXoh no, they were ALL jewish.04:39
matthew-jX: but ur not04:39
jXethnic AND religious.04:39
jXno, I'm ethnically from teh UK and was born a Catholic.04:39
matthew-so if you would marry the girl its ok cause by the beliefs the kids would be jewish04:39
matthew-got it ?04:40
matthew-mother jewish = kids jewish04:40
matthew-so girl can date whoever04:40
jXyeah, I'm aware of the inheritance of Jewocity04:40
jXit's the same with the Irish04:40
matthew-Jewocity lol04:40
matthew-Judaism maybe?:D04:40
matthew-mother irish = kid gypo ?04:40
matthew-I like the irish :D04:41
luke-jrjX: nobody is born Catholic04:41
matthew-they're fun04:41
jXluke-jr: Oh yes they are.04:41
matthew-luke-jr: everyone is born Muslim actually ;d04:41
luke-jrmatthew-: nope04:41
matthew-jX: comedy central04:41
jXYou're a Catholic the moment Dad came.04:41
matthew-south park on WoW04:41
matthew-luke-jr: only religion from the book w/o any kind of baptism04:41
matthew-so if you're monoteistic, you're born muslim :D04:42
luke-jrmatthew-: irrelevant04:42
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luke-jryou can only consent to adhere to the Muslim heresies once you reach the age of reason04:42
jXI have a very semetic sense of humor sometimes, I've been asked if I'm a Jew occasionally, and I say, "No, I'm not a Jew, I'm just a little Jew-ish!"04:42
luke-jrsame w/ all false religions actually04:42
jXluke-jr: Or if you can scream "ALLAH AKBAR!" while blowing up a bomb-vest.04:42
matthew-bla bla bla04:42
matthew-WHO CARES04:43
jXFalse religions? You mean like the Jedi?04:43
luke-jryeah, like the Jedi04:43
matthew-juhar: !04:43
matthew-thanks for biing a follower!04:43
luke-jrwho is juhar04:44
jXJuhar is the One True god04:44
matthew-he's following me on twitter so leave him alone04:44
jXalso, luke-jr you might find this quite enlightening:
juharluke-jr, i'm Juha, 23 years old from Finland04:44
matthew-LEAVE JUHAR ALONE!!!04:44
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juharluke-jr, what you want to know about me?04:45
luke-jrjuhar: rather, I was asking what matthew-'s reference to you was about :P04:45
* jX is currently spinning: Monty Python - Every Sperm Is Sacred04:45
matthew-LEAVEHIM ALONE04:45
luke-jrjX: unlikely? what is it?04:45
jXwatch and see04:46
juharmatthew-, hope you have good tweets to share :)04:46
luke-jrno thanks, I don't use Flash04:46
matthew-that's the original04:46
matthew-luke-jr: Use your n900 !04:46
luke-jrmatthew-: buy me one04:46
matthew-juhar: wanna wave invite ?:D04:46
matthew-luke-jr: :<04:46
jXUse the flash, Luke!04:46
matthew-juhar: where in finland?04:46
AakashPatelluke-jr: EBAY04:47
luke-jrAakashPatel: you want too much04:47
AakashPatelNo way04:47
* corecode_ spreads fairy dust04:47
juharmatthew-, between of russia and sweden04:47
matthew-luke-jr: Do you look like this:04:47
luke-jrmatthew-: no.04:47
matthew-juhar: Im in finland very often04:47
matthew-luke-jr: then no.04:47
juharmatthew-, don't need wave invite, i'm in already..04:48
matthew-wave sucks.04:48
matthew-it was fun straight after I/O04:48
juharmatthew-, what? you're in finland often but you don't know where it is?04:48
matthew-then it went downhill.04:48
jXluke-jr: Do you look like this?
matthew-juhar: im asking where IN finland04:48
juharoh yeah :D04:48
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luke-jrjX: no.04:48
juharjust figured it out :P sorry :P04:48
juharmatthew-, oulu04:48
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matthew-juhar: toooo far ;d04:49
sshinobiis there a way I can like see whats available foe me to download on apt-get?04:49
matthew-im in helsinki / espoo like every month04:49
matthew-sshinobi: wow ;D04:49
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matthew-sshinobi: yes04:49
juharmatthew-, at nokia?04:49
sshinobiYes. I'm that noobish XD04:49
matthew-juhar: yah04:49
juharhave you been in oulu?04:50
sshinobiI don't mean to be, and I apologize if I'm a burden04:50
* jX is currently spinning: Monty Python - Never Be Rude To An Arab04:50
matthew-juhar: nope04:50
matthew-sshinobi: Would you like to google for the list yourself ?04:50
sshinobiI am.04:50
matthew-sshinobi: A hint: they are called Packages04:50
sshinobiso I downloaded nmap through apt-get, do I execute it in CLI?04:51
* jX has a package, heh heh04:51
matthew-sshinobi: Do you know how to use nmap ?04:51
matthew-just type in nmap in console.04:51
matthew-voila ;-)04:51
sshinobiloosely, yeah.04:52
matthew-i thought slackware was a bit more _demanding_ from its users/admins.04:52
sshinobiI'm not an admin, I'm just a light user04:52
matthew-there, im not in a moood to be sadistic.04:52
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matthew-and use BROWSE04:52
matthew-juhar: I sign off investment approvals for most of the OEM/EMS companies ;d04:54
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juharmatthew-, ok, i didn't understand that all :P04:54
jXoh, matthew-, happen to determine teh cell xceiver chips in the n900 yet? Or were you too busy counting your gold from deep within your bunker?04:55
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matthew-jX: I've been 'snowed' in, didnt go to my office the whole week. Sorry04:56
jXahh, what part of the world are you in?04:56
matthew-UK :(04:56
jXoh, Netherlands.04:56
jXoh, uk?04:56
matthew-worst winter of the century04:57
matthew-im in midlands, and offices are in London04:57
jXoh yeah, you guys didn't pay your Gulf Stream bill so we diverted it.04:57
jXPAY UP.04:57
luke-jrjX: cell xceiver would not be connected to OMAP04:57
matthew-jX: I mean EMS/OEM company comes to us for cash for their semicons/rnd04:58
jXluke-jr: Very perceptive.04:58
matthew-im the guy they pitch :)04:58
juharmatthew-, so you can't go to work because of snow?04:58
matthew-i cant commute 100miles04:58
matthew-well, I dont want to go to work, and snow is a good enough excuse :)04:58
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juharhow much snow there is?04:59
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matthew-oh, like 20cm04:59
matthew-but its britain04:59
matthew-they dont have winter tires man04:59
matthew--2oC and the trains stop working04:59
sshinobihehe, I just don't have that much experience with linux yet04:59
jXjuhar: Normally the UK is bathed in warm waters from the Gulf of Mexico via the Gulf Stream, they don't normally get much snow at all. Right now the Gulf Stream took a left turn at New Foundland and diverted away from the UK, leaving them unusually cold.05:00
matthew-sshinobi: Dont worry. everyone stars somewhere.05:00
sshinobiI mean, I know how to pudge around and move about in cli, and I know how to run some tools05:00
sshinobiI appreciate any help!05:01
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matthew-i'm a noob myself.05:02
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sshinobiwhat about specifying other repositories? I'd like to play around with dnsiff and Tcpdump. has them all, but I'm running into dependency problems.05:04
matthew-sshinobi: you've got all of that on maemo.org05:07
matthew-and you can do apt-get with all dependencies05:07
matthew-ive got a house viewing in a few hours05:09
sshinobiso you can install the dependencies that go with whatever you download?05:09
matthew-sshinobi: yes05:09
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matthew-you can make apt-get install all the dependencies that are needed05:10
sshinobidoes apt-get do it automatically? or do you have to tell it to?05:10
matthew-for specific packet you want to install.05:10
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matthew-helpful too05:12
matthew-you dont have to read about the sources05:12
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pupnikwhat causes my app to not be 'on top'?  clicking upper left acts to bring up clutter desktop :)05:14
* pupnik bets this is right on wiki05:14
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sshinobiso, I don't know if this was answered, but can I tell apt-get to use another repository besides
* sshinobi is still reading05:15
pupnikin addition to05:15
sshinobiso I can specify and apt-get.org05:16
matthew-AWECOME song05:16
matthew-sshinobi: yes05:16
matthew-sshinobi: you can05:16
matthew-you can defint them in the app manager even05:17
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pupnikthe repository you add should contain n900 software though05:17
matthew-and the lead singer is hot too.05:17
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matthew-all her songs are quite awesome05:18
pupnikthanks that is actually good05:18
pupniktry jamaendo client05:18
matthew-that's good too.05:18
matthew-pupnik: what is? the song?05:19
matthew-yeah, she is05:19
matthew-i heard her in a pub05:19
matthew-waay back ago05:19
pupniki dont like where she goes with it but the beginning was sweet05:19
matthew-pupnik: you know Fairytale Of New York ?05:19
matthew-Paloma faith is quite cool too05:20
matthew-thou her i've met and came to adore.05:20
matthew-pupnik: find more of Florence and the machines or Paloma Faith05:21
matthew-she's also uber cute. When she smiles you cant see her eyes, like little chinese person.05:21
matthew-damn, Fairytale Of New York. Being a bit reminescent i remember crying one christmas to that song like a baby05:23
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matthew-Couldnt go back home from NY cause of the fucking weather05:23
pupnik  try this05:23
matthew-spent christmas all alone, drunk like a pig.05:23
pupnikgetting chills all over again...05:24
pupniki do that on new years a lot05:24
pupniknever christmas05:24
matthew-pupnik: Ive got that tune in my car05:24
pupnik:) :)05:25
pupnikimpressive live production05:25
matthew-i've had the pleasure of meeting Watkiss himself in London05:25
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matthew-I dont like his rock interpretations05:25
corecode_anybody have ideas on n900 + spotify?05:26
matthew-thou jazz/DnB are awesome.05:26
matthew-corecode_: Doesnt work05:26
pupniknor me  - with open eyes is his best05:26
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pupnikfrom victory's happy songbook05:26
corecode_matthew-: you mean they don't have binaries for maemo?05:26
pupnikwoo reserved 3 nights in brussels for fosdem05:26
matthew-pupnik: gz.05:26
matthew-corecode_: That too.05:27
SplasPoodpupnik: I went last year, had a great time05:27
matthew-Try compiling it.05:27
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corecode_matthew-: they have sources?05:27
pupnikgonna storm the bastille with the sidux guys05:27
matthew-corecode_: I think someone de-assembled it05:27
matthew-pupnik: Thou, as it may be a surprise, my favorite artist right now is ...05:28
matthew-Alicia Keys05:28
SplasPoodHrm, is there some trick to getting shortcuts to line up on the desktop or is it really just very careful dragging with the stylus?05:28
pupnikactually that watkiss video also runs out of ideas fast05:29
matthew-SplasPood: If you'll find a way, please message me :-)05:29
SplasPoodmatthew-: lol, will do :)05:30
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matthew-pupnik: I love that A Keys ft Jay Z song. Thou i've got A LOT of memories connected with NYC so that may be why.05:30
matthew-And well, A Keys's got hottest face ever. :-)05:31
sshinobiIf I update my package source in the App Manager, does it reflect in apt-get?05:31
matthew-sshinobi: yes05:31
matthew-sshinobi: it's same thing, thou App Manager is graphical05:31
sshinobioh cool05:32
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pupnikim so happy maemo5 xterm opens urls with tap05:32
matthew-does it ?05:32
SplasPoodI don't really like that song05:33
matthew-SplasPood: well, then to be honest... You suck sir ;)05:33
jXdoes anyone remember sometime last year Nokia saying that the N900 would be the only Maemo device in 2010?05:33
pupniki like the piano and the nostalgia in it05:33
SplasPoodbut halcyon on and on by orbital always makes me think of NYC05:33
matthew-pupnik: well, as said I probly like it only cause i have a lot of memories with NYX05:33
pupnikhalcyon and driving through the black forest in 1993 made me weep with joy05:34
pupniksun through fog and trees05:34
SplasPoodpupnik: :)05:34
SplasPoodmatthew-: I think the chorus grates on me after a few cycles05:34
SplasPoodmatthew-: not that I don't like her solo work05:35
matthew-yeah got it05:35
pupnikget "the positiva ambient collection" - a whole cd of stuff that fit that mood05:35
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matthew-I forgot about this song05:35
SplasPoodmatthew-: which song?05:35
matthew-I had it on my CD with Porn back in the day05:36
pupniksome turkish girl lent out my copy and never got it back to me05:36
SplasPoodmatthew-: cover tune if I'm not mistaken05:36
matthew-SplasPood: yeah05:36
matthew-irish song05:36
matthew-well irish folk song ;d05:36
SplasPoodIt's too bad, this marks roughly the time when they completely went to shit05:36
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matthew-:-) yeah05:37
matthew-around y2k05:37
SplasPoodFirst concert I ever went to was a metallica show05:37
matthew-damn, im also quite often in Cork05:37
matthew-for work05:37
matthew-and the song is from there05:37
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matthew-go to any pub, get irish man drunk05:37
matthew-you'll hear it 100%05:37
matthew-Also, irish people like singing American folk music.05:38
matthew-From Texas ;-)05:38
matthew-Thou tradition to be kept, every time i hear this song im insanely drunk.05:39
matthew-I hooked up with that girl once, she was born in i think 199005:39
SplasPoodWhich girl....05:39
matthew-and when i thought then when she was 4/5 i was old enough to go to gigs and throw up cause of cheap wine05:40
matthew-made me put her in bed and me sleep on the couch ;d05:40
matthew-corecode_: thats qt05:40
matthew-not spotify05:40
matthew-and i know about it05:41
corecode_what do you mean, not spotify05:41
matthew- that song irish love too05:41
jXmatthew-: Isn't that a trip? People who were born when we were almost out of school are old enough to, well, do what we did at the age we were when they were born. ;)05:41
matthew-and I ave to say im fond of it myself.05:41
matthew-jX: That's scary05:41
lcukjx, par for the course05:41
jXit is! it's even scarrier when you wake up with one of them next to you in bed the next morning.05:42
matthew-You have to know when to hold them, know when to fold them .. :D05:42
matthew-jX: yeah.05:42
jXthen you remember you did the same thing, and it's all ok.05:42
matthew-like, scary thing for me was the thing when everyone around me was drunk and i was still sober05:42
matthew-cause i didnt go out to get hammered ;d05:42
jXafter all, we're all hellbound, let's enjoy the trip!05:42
lcuk:S not the way i was remembering05:42
matthew-We're all on the same wagon, some of us just can enjoy the ride more? (tm)05:43
jXoh me too, I've never tried to get drunk. For some reason I don't see the appeal in drinking so much that I bash my head on the toilet as I puke up my spleen, then pass out on the floor.05:43
matthew-oh, c'mon when i was 16 i could down a bottle af cheap wine05:43
matthew-srom the bottle, on fresh air05:43
matthew-just to get 'teh buzz'05:43
matthew-i passed out about 30 meters from my house05:44
matthew-when i passed my uni exams and got into MiT05:44
jXI can down almost a half liter of rum now, but I that doesn't mean I'm going to go get smashed for the hell of it.05:44
matthew-I saw the gates of my mouse05:44
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matthew-but couldnt phisically get there ;D05:44
matthew-jX: yeah05:45
matthew-yeah, thou we had weed05:45
matthew-and hash05:45
matthew-and VERY wide collars :)05:45
jXI get stumbly after about 10 shots in <15 minutes.05:45
matthew-And IP's (Irc Parties)05:45
matthew-in the early 90s ;D05:45
jXlucky I don't get stupid or mush mouthed, so I can talk a good game even though I can't SEE straight.05:45
jXI can convince you I'm stone sober as long as I don't have to walk.05:45
matthew-jX: yeah, same.05:46
matthew-that's an awesome song too ;d05:46
matthew-jX: where were you from ?05:46
jXPittsbugh PA, in the US.05:46
jXPittsburgh, that is.05:46
matthew-yeah, pittsburgh PA is enough05:46
matthew-i studied in US05:46
jXoh, right, MIT05:47
matthew-beer brb05:47
jXI was accepted to MIT and CMU, but those rat bastards at Stanford turned me down.05:47
jXoh man, so, a couple months ago I'm out with a pair of girls, and we were going to retire to my hotel about 3 blocks from the tavern. I was going walk while they went for their car. Well, I get a call, teh valet won't give S her car. I walk over and somehow talk teh guy into giver us teh keys, which for some dumb reason I gave to S. C would have been a better choice, but S was having none of it.05:48
jXRather than walk, I decided I should ride with them to make sure they made it ok05:48
jXWHY my presence would ensure this I do not know05:48
jXI'm in the backseat as S drove like a madwoman, sobriety slowly seeping into my brain, "Oh, this was a bad choice."05:48
pupnikmaybe little brain was doin the deciding05:48
matthew-Fuuny thing about my education05:49
matthew-on my CV05:49
jXWell, possibly, but I'm saying that I was trying to be smart, and really I was just being really dumb.05:49
matthew-(ive got a masters from MIT in EE and Yale in FnE)05:49
jXbut you cou'dn't tell from outside. I could talk very logically and learly.05:49
jXYalie, eh? I'll overlook that.05:50
matthew-ive got MiT - Masters in Ruling the World05:50
matthew-and Yale - Master of the Universe05:50
matthew-on my CV05:50
matthew-and NO ONE ever asked any question about it05:50
matthew-and ive got it like this for the past 2 jobs05:50
matthew-i got05:50
jXyeah, resumes aren't poured over too well.05:50
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matthew-AND i got directors job at one of the biggest banks05:51
pupnikwasnt bush a yalie?05:51
jXseveral of the companies I've worked for don't EXIST anymore, not even in Google, no one asks.05:51
matthew-funny as fuck05:51
matthew-pupnik: yeah05:51
matthew-thou 30 years my senior05:51
matthew-i think05:51
jX how old are you, Sir Matthew?05:51
matthew-jX: OLD.05:51
matthew-pupnik: yeah, i work in a bank :)05:52
jXyes yes, HOW old.05:52
jXI'll be 32 in March05:52
matthew-jX: TOO old.05:52
matthew-yeah, older ;)05:52
jXwe're all too old05:52
jXwhat, 36?05:52
matthew-a bit more05:52
jXthat was next.05:52
jXthat's not too bad.05:52
pupnikare banks eally running linux on z-series or was that more of a sideshow tech demo?05:53
matthew-MiT class '9805:53
jXyou're teh age group I hung out with in school. I always looked older than my peers, so I could hang with the older kids and not be suspected of being a youngin :)05:53
matthew-pupnik: Oh ive got no idea, I dont do anything with IT.05:53
matthew-jX: i look 12.05:53
jXI looked 12 at 9.05:53
jXI looked 18 at 14.05:53
matthew-nah, i look like hmm05:53
pupniki would be pissed at the big banks if i were a normal one05:53
matthew-32 maybe05:54
matthew-pupnik: Why?05:54
jXbefore I shaved my ehad I was looking yoru age, now somehow I look 26 again.05:54
jXwhich is good.05:54
matthew-that's how i look ;d05:54
matthew-pupnik: w/e we took the money just cause they were giving it for free.05:54
pupniki would too05:54
matthew-with make up on05:55
matthew-i dont look my age05:55
pupniklets just say i read a lot of Rothbard05:55
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pupnikok i think* i have a de-eviled winXP now for playing some games06:00
matthew-what games?06:00
matthew-get psp go06:00
pupniki was told to try mass effect06:00
matthew-try Prototype06:01
matthew-and assassins creed06:01
pupnikwant to show friends gaming with 1080p and ps3 controller on projector06:01
pupnikwhen they get cheap ok06:01
pupnikdarn 120hz projectors still dont support nvidia shutterglasses06:02
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pupniki want a 3d wall06:02
pupnikor 'cave' - curved projection surface with wide angle lens06:03
SpeedEvilIt's called a door.06:03
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pupniki meditate on the porch a lot06:07
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sshinobiCan chinook repositories work with Diablo?06:10
matthew-pupnik: 80in LCD FTW06:10
matthew-sshinobi: no06:11
matthew-SpeedEvil: go to sleep06:11
jXman that's a good idea.06:12
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matthew-jX: nighty night06:12
jXlater tater06:12
matthew-its 4:12 am here06:12
pupniki hate lcds in principle.  laser tvs much more efficient06:12
pupnikbut somehow banned in europe apparently06:13
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lcukyou cant get the shark to change channels06:13
matthew-laset TVs ?06:13
pupnikyeah. r g b lasers aimed at a fast dlp stule mirror06:14
pupnikcheap too06:14
matthew-arent those normal rear projections displays?06:14
pupnikRP zes, but not 'normal'06:15
pupnikgod damn qwertz06:15
sshinobiI've found a lot of packages that aren't a part of repositories... how do I install them?06:16
pupnikdpkg -i packagename06:16
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sshinobithat installs those packages, right?06:18
pupnikdpkg -P packagename to remove06:19
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pupnikit will not install dependencies for you tho06:19
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sshinobiE: Sub-process /usr/bin/spkg returned an error code (1)06:24
sshinobithats when I ran "apt-get install nmap"06:25
sshinobiit works though06:25
pupnikdpkg -i to install a local file,  apt-get install to download and install with dependencies06:30
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pupnikwow winxp install took 4.52 gb on a 10GB fat32 partition06:33
pwnguinpupnik: probably 3 of that is just downloaded patches06:44
pupnikahh 2gb was pagefile.sys06:45
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kevloralhi all06:47
pupniknot to boot linux, cat /dev/zero to a file on the partition, selete it, then dd |gzip an imag06:48
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Jef91Are there any decent media players for N900 that will for instance let me sort my music easily by aritist?07:07
pwnguinwhat do you dislike about the default one?07:08
pupnikyeah cp, mkdir, mv07:08
Jef91pwnguin Can it sort my music and play say only a certain artist or two?07:09
Jef91All my music is lumped into one folder... xD07:09
pwnguinprovided your music is actually tagged07:09
Jef91it is07:09
pupnik'folder' :)07:09
Jef91oh nvm I see07:09
pwnguinartists, genres, playlists, albums07:10
pwnguinpretty damn simple07:10
ml-mobilethe default player is broken07:10
pwnguinargubly, finding the now playing playlist is harder07:10
pupnikso palm pre has games by electronic arts - need for speed07:11
ml-mobileIt fails to read UTF-8 tags properly, so many of my albums end up strewn all over the place07:11
pupnikon that crappy portrait screen07:11
pwnguinml-mobile: do you use canola then?07:11
ml-mobilehaven't gotten around to installing it07:12
pwnguinah. wondering if it supports podcasts better. im not a fan of gpodder07:12
ml-mobileI need to confirm if Canola is optified07:13
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pupniksomeone made a surface to air missile emulator07:19
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pwnguinwho handles kmplayer?07:25
pwnguinthe application manager appears to have figured out a way to show changes; im guessing someon coopted the short desc07:26
GeneralAntillespwnguin, erm, no?07:28
GeneralAntillesThere's always been an update-description field.07:28
pwnguinjust never used?07:28
pwnguin'desktop widget which allows you to search the web' doesn't seem like a good change description07:28
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pupnikso happy we got 4 big manufacturers with *nix based phones07:41
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pupnikbut only nokia takes the truepath :)07:41
pupniki hope the drm works.07:42
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shinkamuidamn it08:00
shinkamuinokiausa support just shitten on me08:00
shinkamuirequested a replacement back08:00
shinkamuithey said, kindly contact your point of sale for an RMA replacement08:00
shinkamuimother fuckers08:00
shinkamuipardon my language there08:01
shinkamuididn't mean to go that far08:01
shinkamuibut man am I mad08:01
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Klownermaemo mapper is 666kb, not sure if it's safe to download..08:19
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luke-jrKlowner: is it really?08:20
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Klownerheheh, that's what app manager said08:20
luke-jrmeh, MM will grow fast enough08:20
luke-jrI wouldn't worry about it XD08:20
luke-jrthose maps sure ain't small08:20
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Klownerit seems way less freeze-uppy-terrible than the Maps app08:21
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pupnikopen street map is your chance to change your surroundings08:23
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lucentMark Klowner?08:25
luke-jrKlowner: is that a joke?08:25
pupnikwhat is the coming racing gaame for N900 called that uses your local streetmaps for the track08:26
luke-jron the other hand, the Maps app never even started for me08:26
Klownerlucent: yep08:26
luke-jrpupnik: lol?08:26
lucentKlowner: Ohhhh papermate.....08:26
Klownerluke-jr: nno?08:26
RST38htmo dead now?08:26
Klownerlucent: lol08:26
luke-jrRST38h: Facebook was a few minutes ago08:26
* lucent JNC08:26
RST38hfacebook I do not care about08:26
lucentfancy you getting an N900 is it?08:26
Klownerlucent: oh hey! ya08:27
RST38hpupnik: not n900, symbian08:27
pupnikoh that sucks08:27
Klownerseems ovi maps is running decent at the moment though, hrm08:27
luke-jrwait, N900?08:28
pupniki need about 1 million bucks and a business genius friend from usa and two russian coders08:28
Klownerah nope, there it goes, unresponsive08:28
luke-jrdoes Maemo Mapper even work on N900 yet?08:28
lucentOvi Maps frustrates me on N900 because it doesn't have a mode to keep the red dot appearing08:28
lucentthe red dot disappears randomly08:28
Klownerluke-jr: yes and yes08:28
Klowneror at least to some degree08:28
pupniksometimes it doesnt follow me08:30
lucentthere's the [o>] prompt if I go too far away from my position08:31
lucentif I hit that, it centers on my position but the red dot has disappeared08:31
lucentmaking it visually impossible to follow along08:31
pupnikif it tracks you, you are in the middle08:31
pupnikhence possible08:32
lucentit doesn't track me08:32
lucenthow would I make it track me?08:32
pupniki had it working once08:32
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RST38hlucent: You have to select a route08:51
RST38hthen it tracks you08:51
RST38halso, that goddamn block of text with the current address disappears08:51
RST38hOvi Maps on Maemo is a freaking disaster, even Nokia employees seem to accept that much08:51
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pupnikwell make it better08:54
pupnikwouldnt take much08:55
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pupnikit does most things nicely08:55
pupnikfor navi make it cost some money08:56
`0660i wish i could save locations in it08:57
`0660it has done the job this far at least08:57
pupnikwe can make openstreetmap do anything08:58
pupnikso lets use that08:58
guido_gmaep looks nice08:58
pupnikapt get install maep08:58
guido_gbut hte text is to small08:59
pupniktoday i am just gaming08:59
pupnikbut lets make maep versions for every taste08:59
* guido_g is going through the "find a decent plan" hell atm09:00
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pupnikhow about openstreetroutes09:01
pupnikalgorithm suggests best path, user corrects it09:01
pupnikneeds smart people though to implement09:02
pupnikso you can store each route in subsegments09:02
pupniki studied a bit of pathing.  there are free libs09:02
guido_gmemory-constrained a* algos are not easy, i'd say09:03
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pupnikah yes09:04
pupnikthat is why user input a la openstreetmap would be so helpful09:04
pupnikaccumulate human knowledge :)09:05
guido_gwhat about a hybrid solution? part of it on the device and part of it as service?09:05
pupnikdevice crunches solutions for segments it doesnt know09:06
guido_gso we could "externalise" the calculations (and part of the storage)09:06
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guido_gand the users (community) could contribute to the raw power by running the sw09:06
pupniki saw 17 openstreetmapper people in my neighborhood09:07
pupnikthat is so cool09:07
guido_gright, that's the mapping part09:07
pupnikthey drew a tiny creek through my backyard too09:07
guido_gright, the maps are quite fine09:08
guido_gbut what should we do w/ the data? :)09:08
pupniki should just advertise stuff since i cant code my way out of a rice window09:08
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pupnikthe data is alreaty tagged with metainfo like road, way etc09:09
LuciusMareany progress with flashlight,or a way to install the last working version?09:09
guido_gLuciusMare: is just saw an update of it in my device09:10
LuciusMareguido_g: then dont update09:10
LuciusMareit borks it09:10
pupnikso user tries a new route, it crunches, user corrects, app asks "sure this is a good route?" then uploads to osm server in segments09:10
guido_gtoo late...09:10
LuciusMarewhat version do you have?09:10
guido_gLuciusMare: just a second09:10
guido_gpupnik: or report traffic jams etc.09:10
pupnikis flashlight brighter than screen?09:11
LuciusMareyes,of course09:11
pupniki doubt enough users exist to make realtime traffic doable today09:11
LuciusMareLED's are brighter than the screen,if you ask for this09:11
pupnikit doesnt burn out the leds?09:11
LuciusMarenot sure09:11
LuciusMarealways worked for me,and no burnout yet09:11
pupnikk continue testing pls :)09:12
LuciusMarejust dont keep it on for hours :)09:12
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LuciusMarei'd like to,but the new version is borken >:(09:12
pupnikhow do you make a new version of "turn on leds" z.)09:12
LuciusMareanyone reported it yet?09:13
guido_git works for me09:13
LuciusMarepupnik: for example, turning off if camera app is on so it does not collide,or so09:13
LuciusMarethat's it,only the first time.09:13
guido_gappmgr. reports version 0.3-009:14
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LuciusMarethat's the new version?09:14
guido_gjust updated it09:14
guido_g<30 minutes ago09:14
LuciusMareok,trying 0.2-009:15
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guido_gpupnik: there *must* be a service for this kind of data! like traffic data via good old fm radio09:16
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LuciusMaregreat scott,this one does mot even appear in the status area >:(09:16
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LuciusMareok,so it worx09:22
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LuciusMaresudo gainroot; apt-get purge flashlight-applet;apt-get install flashlight-applet=0.2-0;reboot09:23
LuciusMareDocScrutinizer51: it workx!09:26
LuciusMare!seen DocScrutinizer5109:26
LuciusMare@seen DocScrutinizer5109:26
LuciusMarethere is no bot?09:26
infobot:), DocScrutinizer5109:26
LuciusMareDocScrutinizer51: the flashlight,it worked09:27
LuciusMareoh :)09:27
LuciusMareapt-get install flashlight-applet=0.2-009:27
DocScrutinizer51cool thanks09:29
LuciusMarebut you've got to reboot09:30
DocScrutinizer51:-) booting sucks09:31
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DocScrutinizer51infobot: joerg09:33
infobotmethinks joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer09:33
LuciusMarethe list of search engines in touchsearch is hardcoded into the source?09:33
* DocScrutinizer51 pets infobot 09:33
LuciusMareinfobot: LuciusMare09:33
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LuciusMareand, DocScrutinizer51, what OS do you use at your desktop?09:34
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DocScrutinizer51humm.  opensuse09:35
DocScrutinizer51for historical reasons09:35
LuciusMarebut no windows,right?09:36
LuciusMareit would be kinda ironical :)09:36
DocScrutinizer51infobot: LuciusMare is a kind fella09:36
infobotDocScrutinizer51: okay09:36
LuciusMareinfobot: LuciusMare09:37
infobotrumour has it, luciusmare is a kind fella09:37
DocScrutinizer51no redmond crap in use here for decades09:37
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* LuciusMare is a local enlighter09:39
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare: /query infobot09:39
LuciusMarei throw CD's with ubuntu at my neighbouers09:39
LuciusMareor whatever it's spelt like09:39
DocScrutinizer51~forget LuciusMare09:39
infoboti forgot luciusmare, DocScrutinizer5109:39
pupnikjesus.  the game mass effect had to hire eight people for "North America Submissions and Compliance"09:41
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LuciusMareokay, this is ridiculous09:42
LuciusMare~seen porno09:42
infoboti haven't seen 'porno', LuciusMare09:42
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LuciusMarei wonder if any user would dare to name himself and i got this.09:43
DocScrutinizer51actually /who(is/was) also doesn't know porno09:44
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DocScrutinizer51~seen porno09:46
infobotporno <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 54s ago, saying: 'ha!'.09:46
LuciusMarei got something...09:46
LuciusMarei will be forevermore linked with nick porno09:46
DocScrutinizer51i'm sure infobots memory is rather volatile09:47
LinuxCodechange nick 20 times09:47
LuciusMarenot really09:47
LinuxCodeit will say too mnay09:48
LuciusMare~seen me09:48
infobotme <> was last seen on IRC in channel #, 58d 15h 28m 26s ago, saying: 'Hello'.09:48
LuciusMare58 days?09:48
LuciusMare~seen chicken09:48
infobotchicken <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 753d 7h 17m 17s ago, saying: 'CAPSLOCK YAY'.09:48
LuciusMare753 days is volatile?09:48
DocScrutinizer51never seen >70d though09:49
LuciusMareyou just saw >700d09:49
luke-jrcaps lock killed the chicken?09:50
LuciusMarecuriosity to UNLEASH THE FURY09:50
LuciusMarethe list of search engines in touchsearch is hardcoded into the source?09:52
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DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare: flashlight works w/o reboot :-)09:54
LuciusMarenice,i guess?09:55
DocScrutinizer51no issues except an initial flash on opening slider first time09:59
DocScrutinizer512. time it fixed itself ;-)10:00
* LuciusMare screams @ touchsearch10:03
LuciusMareeverything but the wikipedia i want and need to edit can be edited.10:03
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LuciusMarecan be a bookmark manually added/or edited?10:12
LuciusMarei have a page that redirects me to the site with newest data,thus i cant bookmark it10:13
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fluxis 48kHz really the hardware sampling rate of n900?10:22
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare: add arbitrary bookmark. you can edit both title abd URL10:23
LuciusMarewhat is that?10:23
LuciusMarearbitrary bookmark?10:23
DocScrutinizer51flux: yes10:23
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare: any10:24
fluxI'm just wondering, because using parec and 48kHz makes pulseaudio use 20% CPU (running in only 250MHz though), which sounds a lot10:24
fluxand there should be no mixing or resampling involved10:25
DocScrutinizer51pa is a bitch10:25
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LuciusMareoh, i didnt know that a bookmark can be edited -_-10:25
LuciusMarei am reorganizing my desktop,and it looks just about right, but the rss reader covers the nice part of the milky way wallpaper10:27
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pupnikE: Couldn't find package libsdlnet1.210:36
pupnikwe cant upload lib* to extras10:37
pupnikwhat is the solution?10:37
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pupniknokia, hite one person to build libs for community10:41
pupnikhore even10:41
LuciusMareall of them,just to make sure10:42
LuciusMarehite one,hore another one (hore some womam,for best results) and at last,hire someone.10:43
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hrw|n900rst: add fullscreen button to xchat please10:53
MaemohammadAGhrw|n900, you can add it yourself10:54
hrw|n900I am not familiar with gtk10:55
MaemohammadAG<DocScrutinizer51> MohammadAG: open settings advanced key-shortcuts10:56
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MaemohammadAGsorry for the highlight mate, but i don't like taking credit for something you told me :)10:56
DocScrutinizer51aah k. nm10:56
MaemohammadAGhrw|n900, done that?10:57
hrw|n900ah... ctrl-enter10:58
MaemohammadAGand it's already configured here10:58
MaemohammadAGyeah, the usual one10:58
hrw|n9003 lines of text more10:58
DocScrutinizer51for now fullscreen in xchat seems to be assigned to ctrl-enter10:58
pupnikhow do we get libs into extras, seriously10:59
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DocScrutinizer51MaemohammadAG: maybe you also like that one:
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DocScrutinizer51set play cmd in settings to /home/user/.xchat2/notify.sh11:04
DocScrutinizer51and copy above lines to named file11:05
DocScrutinizer51play command is set in prefs/sound11:06
MaemohammadAGvibration test?11:07
MaemohammadAGoh wait11:07
MaemohammadAGvibration notice11:07
MaemohammadAGmy motor seems to be dead11:07
MaemohammadAGdoesn't vibrate11:08
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MaemohammadAGit makes a weird sound though11:08
DocScrutinizer51do the dbus-send looong line in xterm11:08
DocScrutinizer51for test11:08
Stskeepshrw|n900: did you delete #7792 yourself? kinda wondering why it disappeared11:09
DocScrutinizer51or maybe you disabled vibrator in tablet's profile11:09
MaemohammadAGjust the sound11:09
MaemohammadAGnah, already checked11:09
MaemohammadAGit makes a weird sound, like the 12khz mosquito stuff11:10
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MaemohammadAGwhat's the pattern for voice call?11:10
DocScrutinizer51the vib??11:10
MaemohammadAGwant a long vibration11:10
MaemohammadAGmaybe it'd fix it if it was on for some time11:11
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MaemohammadAGgonna video this11:14
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Arkenoithere is no @scene in bmo components catalog?11:17
MaemohammadAGvideo'd. sound shows the vibration sound when a call comes in11:17
MaemohammadAGwill upload in a sec11:17
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DocScrutinizer51if it's 12KHz-ish it most likely is the clock of the PWM that "dims" the motor voltage11:19
MaemohammadAGso it's a hw defect right?11:20
* DocScrutinizer51 wonders why IroN900:/sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator# echo 100 >brightness doesn't work as expected11:20
DocScrutinizer51MaemohammadAG: I'd guess yes11:20
MaemohammadAGcan it be repaired?11:21
MaemohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, how do I make the vid quality bad?11:21
DocScrutinizer51easily. clear the space for vibr excenter mass to rotate. replace whole vibr motor block11:22
MaemohammadAGcause it's bad already but it's taking up 38MBs11:22
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DocScrutinizer51MaemohammadAG: (vid) no idea, sorry11:22
MaemohammadAGand that can be done for a not so large amount of $ right:11:22
MaemohammadAGffmpeg, got it11:22
MaemohammadAGgonna convert it to mp3 only11:22
MaemohammadAGit's sufficient11:22
MaemohammadAGanything like pastebin but for audio :p11:26
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DocScrutinizer51MaemohammadAG: IroN900:/sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator#  echo 64 >brightness11:27
DocScrutinizer51operates vibrator for half a second (no clue which nasty daemon dares to stop it after that period)11:28
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DocScrutinizer51need root to do11:28
cehtehDocScrutinizer51: mce controls it11:28
cehtehin /etc/mce/mce.conf you can configure vibator patterns11:29
MohammadAGnot found ?11:29
cehteh(and turn vibration for incoming emails off)11:29
DocScrutinizer51cehteh: I know. But how may MCE dare to reset the brightness setting after some 500ms? o.O11:29
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cehtehDocScrutinizer51: its a free running microcontroler for vibrator and leds .. which constantly doing some works11:30
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: sudo gainroot; cd /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator11:30
cehtehand is updated every now and then by mce, 500ms is just a coincidence11:30
RevdKathyHooray! I'm back!11:30
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, you missed a space11:31
DocScrutinizer51howdy RevdKathy11:31
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RevdKathyHi! Sorry -been missing a few days cos my 30 days expired.11:32
rkc_hi adeus..11:32
MohammadAGactually not a space, just a \11:32
Stskeepsmorning RevdKathy11:32
RevdKathyJust checking I'm back before I go do Other Stuff11:32
DocScrutinizer51duh  c+p error11:32
cehtehDocScrutinizer51: for me it works endlessly ... or at least far longer than 500ms11:32
RevdKathyWanted to eb sure it was All Working11:32
RevdKathyand it is. :)11:32
RevdKathyI'll shut up now.11:33
rkc_hi guys.. i am trying to create debian package for my qt app..11:33
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rkc_my .pro file is created using qmake -project command11:33
rkc_but i need to add some more fields in that .pro file after creation11:33
rkc_can i automate this??11:33
rkc_i mean.. my qmake -project should do the required additon11:34
rkc_how to do this?11:34
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DocScrutinizer51tzzz. for me it works as long as a keep enter pressed in xterm   WTF?!11:34
DocScrutinizer51aaah I have ts-vibr click. prolly something around that interferes11:35
cehtehmany actions on the device disable it (or rather let mce update its state)11:35
cehtehtapping screen, locking/unlocking11:35
DocScrutinizer51exactly :)11:36
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cehtehsame for leds11:36
cehtehunless mce thinks it needs to update the uC registers you can play with them but any update will push your settings out11:37
DocScrutinizer51actually vibr *is* a "LED" :-P11:37
guido_ganyone tried to have a sdhc card with ext[23] fs?11:37
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cehtehwell actually its a sound chip .. but uhm :)11:37
DocScrutinizer51always gone LOL on that11:38
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DocScrutinizer51guido_g: hmm? You prolly need to mount manually11:39
* cehteh hacked some important things at his mce.conf .. defaults suck somewhat11:39
guido_gDocScrutinizer51: ahh thx11:39
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DocScrutinizer51MaemohammadAG: if you hear the "mosquito sound" but get no vibration, most likely fault is some debris is blocking the excenter and thus stops rotation11:42
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, most probable reason for that is?11:44
MohammadAGcause it happened on day 211:44
DocScrutinizer51MaemohammadAG: or maybe vibr motor block not seated nicely so excenter collides with case somewhere11:44
MohammadAGand I'm not shipping it to the US to get it fixed then pay customs tax again11:44
MohammadAGa fix is much cheaper, even if it's not covered by warranty11:44
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MohammadAGseen that11:46
MohammadAGalso looked at the disassembly guides11:46
MohammadAGservice manuals level 1 & 211:46
MohammadAGcouldn't find this anywhere in israel T6 Screwdriver11:47
MohammadAGneeded it for the N9511:47
Stskeepsit was a bit of a bitch to find a T4/T6, yeah11:47
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DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: MaemohammadAG: TX6? no problem here in Germany. You get with each 12pcs screwdriver set for 8 bucks in the supermarket11:49
DocScrutinizer51well almost11:49
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: i have it now, yeah11:50
Stskeepsafter a good bunch of searching11:50
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, that's Germany, this is israel :p11:51
xorAxAxmaybe dealextreme has some11:51
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: you got the bomb, we not. So you should assume you also can get TX6 over there ;-D11:52
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ccookeI've seen people talk about using the nokia software updater with the n900... but Nokia don't appear to provide it for that11:54
ccooke(as in, there's no link to download when you select the n900 on the software updatrer page)11:54
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, haven't seen any mention of the vibration motor11:55
DocScrutinizer51me either11:55
DocScrutinizer51it's too simple11:55
MohammadAGany chance it's on the mobo itself?11:55
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MohammadAGlike soldered or non user accessable?11:55
DocScrutinizer51usually a small motor in a rubber blockwith two springs to contact mobo11:56
MohammadAGsorry about rapidshare, but youtube seems to be down for me11:56
MohammadAGif u want I'll trafficshare it11:56
MohammadAGactually, nvm, close it and reopen the page11:57
MohammadAGvideo isn't something useful, just a non focused close up of the keyboard to record the sound11:57
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, downloaded?11:59
LuciusMare_n900 # dbus-monitor12:00
LuciusMare_n900Failed to open connection to session message bus: (null)12:00
DocScrutinizer51nah 'not enough space in /var/tmp'12:00
MohammadAGwhy /var/tmp?12:00
DocScrutinizer51fsck!!! sorry now maemo microb refuses to download it. Recommends to store any other place but doesn't allow to do so12:02
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MohammadAGLuciusMare_n900, it's like CHKDSK for linux12:02
MohammadAGonly better12:03
LuciusMare_n900what does fscking have to do with microb?12:03
DocScrutinizer51it's like darn for syops12:03
MohammadAGseems that his MyDocs partition is broken12:03
MohammadAGdamn FAT12:03
LuciusMare_n900SLIM isn't much better12:03
MohammadAGI'd consider formatting it into ext312:04
MohammadAGbut it's the damn camera app that's preventing me from doing it12:04
MohammadAGalthough I could make it save on the microSD card12:05
LuciusMare_n900camera app cant save to ext3?12:05
MohammadAGthe camera app only support FAT, it doesn't support ext312:05
MohammadAGironic, right?12:05
LuciusMare_n900but you could make a partition only for photos... :P12:06
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MohammadAGand if it ran out while I'm out without a laptop and I needed to use the camera :p12:06
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doc|homethen you use your netbook12:06
LuciusMare_n900anyway,i wonder, shouldn't it just call save(filename) instead of using fs specific tools?12:07
doc|homeduh! :)12:07
MohammadAG"A fat partition is needed to be mounted in ~/MyDocs, otherwise Nokia N900's camera will not save pictures."12:07
MohammadAGI can use my microSD card though12:08
MohammadAG16GBs are enough, I think12:08
* LuciusMare_n900 slaps nokia with a large trout12:08
cehtehi feel thats strange12:08
cehtehhow did you find out?12:08
MohammadAGabout the camera thing, it's all over the internet12:09
cehtehand what does the camera app need to know about the filesystem12:09
LuciusMare_n900i am not surprised12:09
LuciusMare_n900cehteh: exactly12:09
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MohammadAGit's on tmo too, that's just a first/second/third result from google12:09
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LuciusMare_n900anybody yet found out how to reset the data gprs counter every month?12:10
DocScrutinizer51I think the fstype doesn't care for camera. It cares for automount of MyDocs though,@as well as for mass storage gadget12:11
MohammadAGflash the device and eMMC :p12:11
MohammadAGLuciusMare_n900, you can do it manually12:11
MohammadAGin settings > phone > data counter > reset12:12
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DocScrutinizer51fsck.vfat to the rescue12:12
LuciusMare_n900MohammadAG: i know,that's exavtly what i dont want to do12:12
MohammadAGlol then it's in settings12:12
LuciusMare_n900if there would be a command to reset it...12:12
MohammadAGnever really read the whole tutorial, did he just move the /home directory somewhere else?12:13
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: no luck with dbus-monitor?12:13
LuciusMare_n900i caught it once,but it doesnt seem to repeat12:13
LuciusMare_n900i try root dbus-monitor,normal user dbusmonitor, systembus... nothing12:14
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LuciusMare_n900and i dont know how to resend it12:14
DocScrutinizer51dbus-send and then guess the parameters from dbus-monitor log12:15
LuciusMare_n900and it does not appear,as i said12:15
LuciusMare_n900in systembus there is so much i dont know what one it really is12:16
LuciusMare_n900and the messages always change12:16
MohammadAGbbl in a bit12:16
MohammadAGor longer :p12:16
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LuciusMare_n900though it sends some messages when opening the monitor, i see there ip adress,interface name (gprs0) and so12:19
LuciusMare_n900but no "meter-reset" or so12:20
LuciusMare_n900hm,it seems to send these containing ip no matter what i do12:21
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PaveHI have text interface nethack installed to my N900, do you think it's possible to install the Qt interface?12:23
LuciusMare_n900and no looking like to have something in common with the meter,are you sure it sends the reset over dbus?12:23
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DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: I just checked myself. Also can't find any related dbus action12:28
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DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: so strace is your best bet for now it seems12:29
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* frals looks around for RevdKathy12:31
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RevdKathyI'm here!12:31
RevdKathyfrals - I'm here and even vaguely awake!12:32
fralssame as me then ;)12:33
fralswould you like to get started? :)12:33
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RevdKathyI'm ready! Just swapping the 'receiving card' into the n9512:33
RevdKathyMy wifi is down so all being done over network,12:33
fralsOkey, might be interesting as you need to switch between different connections, but we can try anyway if you want? ;)12:34
RevdKathyfrals: the guys here will confirm i'm inordinately stupid. You need to explain every step12:35
RevdKathywe'll see what happens!12:35
gileadI installed the IRC plugin for contacts and conversation on my N900. How to I join a room?12:35
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fralsno worries i'll go slow, mind if we switch to a query (private) instead not to bother everyone else?12:35
RevdKathynope that's fine12:35
wazd_heya maemo12:38
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mickeIm trying to promote a package to extras-testing
mickeBut i cant get in12:52
mickeFatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/privilege.php on line 45712:52
xorAxAxmicke: the builder is broken, maybe the promote action does an RPC to the builder and fails12:53
mickeI can get to other packages though, like
mickeI have been trying for over a week, same problem always with libao012:53
xorAxAxmaybe X-Fade knows12:53
xorAxAxhehe, what is, micke?12:54
mickexorAxAx my ISP12:54
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xorAxAxbahnhof means järnvägsstation in german :)12:55
mickeI know :)12:56
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mickeI am now told I dont need to promote libs, taht they are autopromoted when you promote packages that depend on them. Maybe thats the problem?13:00
* wazd_ has rendered 0.5 second of water effect for boot video...13:01
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pupnikgermans are toe cut offers13:09
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_jhphi. i'm now chatting on my n90013:11
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_jhpare their more people where some conversations can't be deleted from the conversations?13:12
_jhpI can delete all the content. but the conversation is kept.13:13
pupnikbecause they are still a contact13:13
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_jhpso on the long run your conversation window gets cluthered with a conversation for every contact you have?13:15
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_jhpthat is strange because I have also conversations that I could remove while the contact is still their.13:16
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hrw|goneStskeeps: no, it was removed by someone13:30
hrw|goneStskeeps: ugly...13:30
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Stskeepshrw|gone: hmm, that isn't usual practice13:31
Stskeepshrw|gone: might be a fluke due to server move13:31
hrw|goneStskeeps: or someone at nokia wants to hide such requests13:32
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cehtehhmpf .. accelerometer is wrong again13:32
hrw|goneStskeeps: nope - server move used old backup13:33
hrw|gone7780 is from today13:33
hrw|goneso we lost some bugs13:33
Stskeepshrw|gone: hmm, yeah, something looks lost13:34
Stskeepsdoubt it's malice though13:34
hrw|goneStskeeps: bug was assigned to quim13:34
hrw|gone------- Comment #1 from aklapper@openismus.com13:34
hrw|gone2010-01-09 00:25 GMT+3 -------13:34
hrw|goneAdded the Calendar to the list at13:34
hrw|goneAssigning to Quim to get the reasons why this is13:34
hrw|goneclosed source, or why Nokia13:35
hrw|gone*maybe* plans to keep this closed source.13:35
Stskeepsyeah, but it shouldn't disappear for that reason :P13:35
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hrw|goneStskeeps: I think that it is just a mistake - someone forgot to make dump of bugzilla state13:35
PaulFertserNever attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, eh?13:35
cehtehreboot. ..13:35
Stskeeps'default rule to have the UI application layer closed.' would probably be the end reason, but calendar might be a good thing to see community innovation in13:36
Stskeepssince it's fresh, not legacy13:36
hrw|gonecalendar UI is simply broken13:37
hrw|goneI have a bunch of screenshots to report bugs about calendar ui13:38
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hrw|gonemultiple days event suxx in week view, month view do not show what time of day event is13:38
LuciusMarehi,is it safe to carry a n900 around in -5 Celsius?13:38
hrw|goneinstead they show 5 events on day - handy calendar, sbsh calendar on s60 is better13:39
StskeepsLuciusMare: works for me13:39
hrw|goneLuciusMare: I did on -14°C13:39
Stskeepskeyboard is a bit annoying with gloves but so it goes13:39
PaulFertserStskeeps: that "default" rule doesn't sound to be in line with general "maemo is open-source platform for collaboration" mantra :(13:39
hrw|goneLuciusMare: but it was in case under jacket (on a belt)13:39
StskeepsPaulFertser: -platform-13:39
PaulFertserSo it probably shouldn't be spoken openly about.13:39
StskeepsPaulFertser: default rule is expressed in WTCP :/13:40
LuciusMarehrw|gone: case? that leather one?13:40
hrw|gonePaulFertser: maemo is opensource broken-by-design platform13:40
hrw|goneLuciusMare: yes - krussel hector one13:40
LuciusMareI got one from nokia,its just a leather pocket13:40
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PaulFertserStskeeps: well, platform doesn't worth a lot without good apps based on it. And it doesn't even matter much because nokia UI apps that run on maemo are inevitably associated with maemo itself. Hence you get the irritation. Especially when a core app (planner/calendar) is foobared and purposedely closed.13:41
xorAxAxwhat does "UI differentiation." mean?13:41
xorAxAxon the page
cehteh"we do anything different to prooven standards" :)13:42
hrw|gonexorAxAx: it means: we designed it not someone else13:42
PaulFertserhrw|gone: broken by design indeed though somehow many #maemo inhabitants do not agree and argue all the time about it :|13:42
hrw|gonexorAxAx: and also 'we designed it and will not change beyond our design document never mind how much errors we did'13:42
hrw|gonePaulFertser: sure.13:43
cehtehi can live with maemo being a platform on its own .. but that some core apps are so much fuba is pita13:43
hrw|gonePaulFertser: but I am sick of ~/MyDocs/.* folders which are shown as other folders (.documents -> Documents etc), no access to other folders by default...13:43
cehtehnokia selled the device already, whats their motivation to improve it?13:43
hrw|gonecehteh: s/selled/sold13:44
SpeedEvilwazd: water effect - is this related to my comments on accellerometer driven water effects of a couple of days ago?13:44
pekujahrw|gone: how good of a fit is the Krusell Hector for an N900?13:44
hrw|gonepekuja: perfect and headphones are available13:44
cehtehcalendar and mail are close to unuseable .. for anyone who wants to do serious things its pretty much unuseable at the current state13:44
pekujahrw|gone: ah, so there's a bit of extra room for the headphone jack then, or is there a hole for it?13:45
hrw|gonecehteh: calendar suxx but is a bit usable. email is not usable at all13:45
hrw|gonepekuja: space13:45
hrw|gonenot hole13:45
SpeedEvilcehteh: yeah.13:45
pekujahrw|gone: ok. doesn't the phone wobble in the case without headphones then?13:46
cehtehhrw|gone: well shifts between usage patterns for some people mail is barely useable and calendar is completely unuseable13:46
SpeedEvilcehteh: I wanted to set a recurring biweekly apointment with the binmen,.13:46
SpeedEvilcehteh: can't.13:46
hrw|gonepekuja: fits perfectly and do not move in case13:46
hrw|gonecehteh: sure13:46
cehtehhey my newton 15 years ago had global search and a agent which could do fancy context sensitive things13:46
SpeedEvilcehteh: also you can't set an alarm for - say - 3h before an appointment13:46
lcukSpeedEvil, water effect?13:46
cehtehSpeedEvil: and you have to schedule all todo's instead having just a list13:47
hrw|gonecehteh: for me calendar is not usable for most of my events as they have maemo-not-compatible alarm times or repeats13:47
lcuki hope all these limitations have associated bugs filed against them and arent just gripes btw13:47
cehtehi just using emacs org-mode13:47
SpeedEvillcuk: I when very tired the other night was musing about a fountain app, with accellerometer compatibility13:47
hrw|gonelcuk: most have13:47
lcukSpeedEvil, install liqflow13:47
lcukand play13:47
cehtehwell i send my device back next week and lets see about replacement13:47
SpeedEvillcuk: generallky, I can't be arsed.13:47
SpeedEvilI should be better at filing bugs.13:48
lcukok hrw13:48
lcukyes, you should SpeedEvil13:48
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hrw|gonelcuk: anyway I am waiting for pr1.5 to get them fixed13:48
cehtehi guess the n900 is still the best one can get when he wants a free phone, but its a shame that there are so much roadblocks still13:48
SpeedEvilAlso getting wion'tfixed a couple of times annioys.,13:48
pekujahrw|gone: I have to think "perfect fit" and "roomy enough for headphones" can't both be true13:48
PaulFertserlcuk: filing bugs about proprietary software on a public bug-tracker that is not directly related to it is a miserable thing to do :|13:48
lcukthere is no way a dev can do anything about gripes in irc or tmo even if they wanted to13:48
SpeedEvilcehteh: also - there is a good open-source solution. cron.13:48
lcukno PaulFertser i would expect same bugs for open or closed stuff13:48
hrw|gonepekuja: it does not move in case, is hard to get out (hole in bottom helps) and have space for headphones jack. best for you would be to try it at some gsm shop13:49
SpeedEvilcehteh: and alarmd takes lots more ram than cron in my RAM too13:49
pekujahrw|gone: hmm, ok13:49
pekujahrw|gone: thanks13:49
cehtehSpeedEvil: i would like something more integrated, global search, different scheduling policies, add hyperlinks between apps13:49
lcukPaulFertser, the bug reports help to focus the issues and reduce feature/scope creep13:49
lcukand that does not matter about its open/closed status13:50
PaulFertserlcuk: open stuff has open repository, open todo list and the devs who actually use the bugtracker in question. Nokia using internal bugtracking and "we do not talk about features policies" is nothing like that. Nokia just frustrates their users by this kind of policies. And i'm afraid telling people to file bugs sometimes is not beneficial.13:50
hrw|gonepekuja: I used krussel 'M' case with nokia e66 and just checked hector (which is 'L' size) for n90013:50
pekujaI currently have the official case, which is fine, but doesn't allow headphone use and is basically just a pouch anyhow13:50
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PaulFertserlcuk: ask Stskeeps, he knows what i'm talking about.13:50
pekujaalthough obviously a perfect fit13:50
lcukPaulFertser, i know what you are talking about too13:50
hrw|gonepekuja: I have such one for nokia e6613:50
wazdSpeedEvil: sorry, no :)13:51
lcukhiya wazd13:51
wazdlcuk: hey13:51
cehtehSpeedEvil: in newton os there was an assistant where you could handwrite! "call mommy" or "email paul" or "search todo project foobar" and it did the expected action   15 years ago!13:51
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pekujaI also got a Golla Stunt pouch as a gift. It's made out of textile, but is really nice. The only problem is that it's just a tad too small. :-/13:51
hrw|gonePaulFertser: I agree with you that maemo situation when it comes to nokia stuff suxx badly. too bad that nokia did not learnt anything since os2005 was released13:51
lcukcehteh, :D13:51
cehtehthings got more fancy but not more intelligent nowadays13:52
pekujaI can just fit the N900 in the pouch, but it's not comfortable to use13:52
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lcukPaulFertser, if you file a bug about an open source project, are you guaranteed it will be fixed?13:52
SpeedEvilcehteh: I do wonder why apple hasn'r ripped all of the nice stuff out of the newton and polished it.13:52
hrw|gonebtw - is there a way to search on n900 for something?13:52
cehtehpekuja: i have a perfect pouch :)13:52
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cehtehhrw|gone: grep :)13:52
pekujacehteh: what kind?13:52
hrw|gonelike 'search for contacts, music, images, calendar events' in one?13:52
SpeedEvilhrw|gone: grep -R13:52
cehtehself build :)13:52
hrw|gonecehteh: haha13:52
pekujacehteh: oh, nice13:52
pekujacehteh: got pics?13:52
hrw|gonethere is a tracker in system but does not have any use basically13:53
cehteh  .. to case4.jpg13:53
cehtehthats the prototype .. i already made a better one and using it now13:53
lcukcehteh, someone stole a bit of your pouch13:53
cehtehthe cammera hole is a bit off on the first one13:53
hrw|goneprotos... on desk I have a proto of my beagleboard expansion board13:54
arachnistcehteh: what material is that?13:54
PaulFertserlcuk: i'm guaranteed the devs will actually read it. And most sane devs usually respond with justifications even if it's WONTFIX. Here you have "we do not talk about features" policy and that's a kind of thing that can be used a showstopper to almost any sane discussion.13:54
* lcuk has a silly prototype on desk13:54
cehtehvacuformed ABS shells and neoprene13:54
hrw|gonePaulFertser: we do not talk about features and about release cycles13:55
pekujacehteh: cool. what's it made of?13:55
lcukPaulFertser, you arent guaranteed the devs will read it13:55
cehtehsee above13:55
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xorAxAxcehteh: how much is the prototype? :)13:56
PaulFertserlcuk: well, with sane projects it's usually the case13:56
SpeedEvilwould be awesome for this sort of stuff13:56
cehtehi have photos from the making-of want to make a webpage for that13:56
SpeedEvilbut only non-funcrional protos13:56
cehtehxorAxAx: how much would you offer? :)13:56
PaulFertserhrw|gone: one can claim that some unfortunate fuckup is not a bug and is just a "lack of feature" and that they do not discuss features and timeframes.13:56
cehtehi can auction it13:56
hrw|gonePaulFertser: which is polite version of 'bug off sucker'13:57
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xorAxAxcehteh: i dont participate in free market auctions13:57
lcukSpeedEvil, haha ive got a prototype for something else that has full color stuff like that on screen lol
PaulFertserhrw|gone: yes and this process is something lcuk somehow advocates...13:57
lcukthat block of yours looks cool13:57
* xorAxAx uploaded opie to the builder13:57
hrw|gonexorAxAx: but not opie as 'Open Palmtop Integrated Environment'?13:58
wazd1 stone = 6.35029318 kilograms13:58
wazdthanks, Google!13:58
xorAxAxone time passwords in everything, hrw|gone13:58
SpeedEvillcuk: 400+dpi solid colour is just so awesome. It would be completely awesome if it was in a nice strong plastic13:59
* SpeedEvil realises he has lost two stone due to n900.13:59
SpeedEvilThe buy hardware and not be able to afford food diet!13:59
SpeedEvil(well - not quite)13:59
mickexorAxAx can that be used by apps to store passwords, i.e. is that a key ring?14:00
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lcukPaulFertser, i merely said file instead of griping and the people that matter might see them, if you feel thats not a way then i know theres 0 chance that any dev in a place to do anything will ever see your issues14:00
StskeepsPaulFertser: a platform is normally defined as the OS on which apps run, i'd say14:00
StskeepsPaulFertser: are terms i normally use14:01
PaulFertserStskeeps: traditional unix understanding of OS is kernel+middleware+UI. UI is inherently a part of OS if you define it the traditional unix way. BSD Unix included quite some games as part of the core OS.14:01
mickexorAxAx cause I started writing one yesterday in c++...14:01
PaulFertserlcuk: well, the way you said it sounded somehow counter-productive to me, sorry, probably that's my personal misunderstanding.14:02
StskeepsPaulFertser: while i think it's silly to not publish any apps, that's their current rule :P14:02
StskeepsPaulFertser: anyway, this is what we are going to work on, so each side has clear understanding of what can be done and what can't14:03
Stskeepsand hopefully evolve what -can- be done over time14:04
PaulFertserStskeeps: i know14:04
Stskeeps(i wouldn't mind seeing fremantle get more and more open due to the fact most of the apps would be scrapped in the qt based maemo)14:05
v2pxfennec 1.0 is there - but it doesn't work on my n900 :(14:05
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lcukmornin VDVsx, illustrious leader of the maemo grey council.14:20
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VDVsxmorning lcuk14:21
VDVsxalready drinking ? :p14:21
lcukheh, just watching more babylong 514:22
lcukbabylon 514:22
lcukDelenn "I am Grey. I stand between the candle and the star. We are Grey. We stand between the darkness and the light."14:22
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* lcuk still gets shivers from that show14:22
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ifreqis it on bluray yet?14:25
lcukdunno ifreq14:26
ifreq5 seasons aye?14:27
ifreqah seems so14:28
SpeedEvilAs long as you forget the dodgy spin-off.14:28
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lcuki never really liked the 5th series14:29
lcukit felt like the end of the 4th was tying off14:29
SpeedEvilI was meaning crusade14:29
* lcuk throws up on crusade14:30
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* frals throws up on UK carriers and their weird MMS settings14:32
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* lcuk throws up on frals14:33
fralsoi! :(14:33
lcukhaha :D14:33
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lcukfrals i wonder whether theres a database somewhere of all the operators settings14:34
fralswould be nice with a reliable database yeah14:35
fralsas ive found that lots of sites list different settings for the same operator >_<14:35
lcuki think theres similar things with the mobile bb settings14:36
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RST38hMoo all14:38
lcukhey RST38h14:38
RST38hlcuk: hey, how are things?14:38
lcuki tihnk at the moment greetings should include location and temperature14:38
lcukhow cold is it where you are?14:38
lcukthey are goin ok, ive had sleeps14:38
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PaulFertserI've heard Ireland schools are closed due to the "cold" weather, -12C, LOL14:40
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VDVsxmorning lcuk , PT, 6ºc :D14:40
VDVsxlike that ?14:40
lcuk/kick VDVsx14:40
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RST38hlcuk: -9oC14:41
fralsmorning lcuk, SE, -12 C14:41
* lcuk trembles14:41
RST38hlcuk: sunny14:41
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RST38hactually, it is sunset already14:41
ifreqFI, Helsinki, -13 C14:41
till-de, -2 C14:41
Veggenaround -12 here too.14:42
lcukmanchester uk, -214:42
Veggen(NO, Bergen=14:42
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lcukie, bloody cold everywhere \@/14:42
RST38h-9C is pretty nice14:42
RST38hcold comes tomorrow (-20C)14:43
* VDVsx is the only one without negative temp :D14:43
RST38h"Nokia talk to us!" Join Date: Dec 200914:43
RST38h"Nokia needs to change" Join Date: Dec 200914:44
VDVsxTMO ?14:44
RST38hVDVsx: Andy80 bragged about +1 in Andalusia (I think)14:45
RST38hVDVsx: what else?14:45
crashanddieI got stuck in the mountains14:45
crashanddiehad to spend the night in a shelter14:45
crashanddieHelped police and fire brigade digging out cars, getting people to safety14:45
crashanddie30cm fell in about 4 hours14:45
lcukwhere are you crash?14:45
crashanddielcuk: still stuck in Perpignan, was supposed to fly back to the UK on Tuesday14:46
lcukandi bet that was hard work14:46
RST38hwazd: =)14:46
v2pxwazd: screenie pls :)14:46
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crashanddielcuk: worst part was when temperature dipped to -17 during a flash-freeze14:46
crashanddieonly lasted for about 20 minutes, but just enough to freeze everything up14:47
wazdv2px: first post14:47
v2pxaww sweet14:47
lcukcrashanddie, brrr14:48
cehtehso :) my first website14:48
cehteh(not really)14:48
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lcukcehteh, is that on planet?14:52
lcukthats rly rly cool14:52
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* cehteh just made that page14:52
RST38hlcuk: Oh btw14:52
RST38hlcuk: See anything familiar:
nealI just noticed that I had <1MB of space on my / partition available14:53
crashanddiewould someone please ban OrangeBox from tmo already?14:53
nealas I heard this could result in bricking the device, I'm trying to remove stuff14:53
RST38hcrash: He wil reapper under a different nickname14:54
nealapt-cache clean did not help14:54
nealis there a way to identify / hogs?14:54
RST38hcrash: the only way to really get rid of him is to make him see his own posts but not anyone else14:54
mickecrashanddie: he is a great source of amusement though :)14:54
crashanddiereaper? He's the guy with the scythe?14:54
nealdu -x / | sort -n shows me that Nokia did not take optifying their software seriously14:54
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crashanddiemicke: no, he's annoying and damaging the community14:55
RST38hMeanwhile: Google Nexus One Carries $174.15 Materials Cost, iSuppli Teardown Reveals14:55
cehtehlcuk: how does one get something posted to planet?14:55
mickecrashanddie: But he is such an obvious troll, if no one would talk to him hed go away14:56
lcukRST38h,  :D14:56
crashanddiemicke: just make him go away14:56
RST38hmicke: and how do you intend to achieve that?14:56
lcukcehteh, link on the right about aggregate your blog14:56
RST38hlcuk: omg ask'em for royalties!14:56
cehtehthats not really a blog14:57
mickeRST38h: by not biting on his flames?14:57
crashanddiemicke & RST38h: Just close all of his threads14:57
RST38hmicke: Are you going to make every tmo reader stop biting on his flames?14:57
fralslol lcuk14:57
RST38hcrash: No, he will notice and change username14:58
crashanddieso? I can spot his threads within millions14:58
RST38hcrash: The REAL solution is to make his posts seen only to himself14:58
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Termanalcuk - is that keyboard a) real and b) plugged in?15:01
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lcukTermana, yes, no (its bluetooth)15:02
* lcuk wrote the graffiti wall in liqbase on that :)15:02
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lcuki forgot i had the high res images15:04
lcukcehteh, your mould reminds me of my crate :)15:04
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cehtehlcuk: i posted it on tmo / accessories now15:05
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cehtehxorAxAx: ^^15:06
Stskeepscrashanddie: his posts says 'Banned'15:07
lcukcehteh, does your case allow access to volume/power etc?15:07
lcukand usb/stylus and stuff15:07
lcukdoh usb is easy you show it15:07
cehtehstylus not (i dont want to get it lost)15:07
cehtehand keyboard of course not too15:08
cehtehbut everything else is available15:08
crashanddieStskeeps: heh, appears to be pretty recent, just a few hours ago15:08
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cehtehlcuk: the buttons on the top are bit hard to reach because you have to press through the neoprene, but works even with half-pressing the cam button15:10
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cehtehfirst i tought i had to add some plastic knobs therem but works ok without15:11
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xorAxAxsigh, why dont they overclock the 770 used for maemo.org15:22
fralshey, at least they are setting up a cluster of them and preparing to move it ;)15:23
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fralsso like, i plan to make my application show a info banner you have to click on on the first launch (hoping the user reads it) - is this evil or do you recon its acceptable15:25
fralsits only on the first launch of the app15:25
fralsbecause ppl seems determined not to read the instructions on the talkpage :(15:25
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BabelOhi frals thanksa lot for your nice app fmms :) works well here to send with Orange but look like http headers problem somewhere15:26
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fralscool, where is "here"? UK?15:26
BabelOreceive also works, i just loast the text part :)15:26
BabelOfrals: France15:26
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fralscool :)15:26
BabelOfrals: i ve used from the very first one :)15:27
BabelOnot the one in extras-devel15:27
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xorAxAxfrals: makes sense to show the info window15:27
BabelOfrals: sms push is well handheld15:27
fralsBabelO: cool, thanks a lot for testing it :)15:27
BabelOfrals: but after retrieved the parts i receive a sms that says that my device cannot handle MMS15:27
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BabelOanyway i receive the picture but not the text15:28
fralsxorAxAx: yeah, i figured since its only on first launch it should be "ok" to do it.. i know i hate stuff popping up on each app run :P15:28
fralsBabelO: okey, im looking into that - i know the attachment handling is a bit buggy15:28
BabelOsamei f i send to another device, it receive it well but got a message that its device does not handle it15:28
BabelOfrals: ok, tell me if i can make some dumps for you, the python code is clear enought15:28
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fralsif you use the one from -devel it should arrive decently to most modern phones, so far ive only heard blackberrys have a problem displaying the messages15:29
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fralsthe reason you get the SMS afterwards from your operator is becaues its not currently sending the "hiya i got the message bugger off" message yet15:30
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BabelOfrals: ah ok, and why if i send to other phone like LG KM900, the people receive the strange message too ?15:32
johnqIs someone here willing to test the new version of evopedia (offline wikipedia reader)?15:32
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fralsBabelO: yeah, lets just say the message building is not perfect yet :-)15:33
johnqI'm just uploading an (incomplete and old) dump of the german wikipedia in a format readable by the new 3.0 version that is already in extras-devel.15:34
BabelOfrals: ok, anyway it works, and i can see you works on the priority to get autoconnect when receiving push sms15:34
johnqI'd like to hae some feedback on usability und such.15:34
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lardmanhi chaps15:34
woglindehi lardman15:35
lardmanhey woglinde, how's things?15:35
BabelOjohnq: i already installed it few hours ago15:35
* Stskeeps curses the lack of hildon-theme-devel source15:35
johnqBabelO: cool15:35
BabelOjohnq i just need a english or french wikipedia dump :)15:36
fralsBabelO: yeah, good to hear its working at least (means the basic stuff works ok, which is the important thing :)) thanks for testing it! :)15:37
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johnqBabelO: I only have a german dump for now15:38
johnqBabelO: It's at
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* xorAxAx doesnt install packages from people without fullname :)15:39
crashanddiexorAxAx: he's got a whole movie dedicated to himself15:40
BabelOjohnq: what is the format i need how do you build it ?15:40
lardmanhi crashanddie15:41
crashanddiehey lardman, what's up?15:41
woglindelardman hm I am have a little fight with proxy-libintl and gettext in oe15:41
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lardmanhmm, sounds not so fun15:42
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woglindelardman hm its okay15:42
johnqBabelO: It's not so easy. First you need a html dump of wikipedia (not the xml dumps that are available from the official site) and then you need to run a script over it that compresses the dump. If you really want to do it (I would be glad if you did), we can talk about it by private messages.15:43
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lardmanhmm, that email from Tim is interesting, is there work underway to add mini-icons to each icon in HAM to indicate which section the app comes from?15:43
BabelOfrals: one more question, my provider says i need to setup a proxy for mms, but i did not do it and it works, you think he do a transparent proxy ? or it is the way you are doing it that made it to works, btw now i ve setup the proxy, but no diff15:43
BabelOjohnq: ok15:43
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fralsBabelO: im not sure - it might not count against your data usage when using the proxy but without its counted as data traffic instead of MMS traffic15:45
BabelOfrals: yes maybe that, anyway i ve illimited access15:46
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crashanddieWhy are people bothering with MMS?15:46
crashanddieSurely email is as easy these days, and less costly?15:47
BabelOfrals: it is on separated APN15:47
lardmanI think it's worthwhile15:47
lardmanmy mum doesn't have email on her phone for example, etc15:47
fralscrashanddie: sending to people who dont have email in their phones appreciate the MMS15:47
LynourePhotos are rarely that urgent15:47
crashanddieIf people don't have email on their phone, they probably don't mind a phone call or postcard instead, do they?15:48
fralshard to send a picture with a phone call, and the postcard is way slower ;)15:48
woglindecrashanddie hihi we had this discussion a couples of day before15:48
johnqthere is now also a partial french dump for evopedia at
crashanddieplus, if your phone doesn't support any kind of email, it usually means the screen doesn't really allow to display the picture in any good format, does it?15:48
crashanddieOh wow, that smile really looks terrific in 256 colors!15:48
fralsall these discussions are the same, it fits some people and not others, i use it a lot either way :)15:49
fralscrashanddie: the phone might support it - but a lot of my friends dont use email in their phones anyway15:49
lardmancrashanddie: difference between it being supported and it being used/paid for15:49
lardmanah, snap :)15:49
crashanddieback to Lynoure's point, they are rarely that urgent15:49
lardmanwell if the phone is the only thing they have with them, then there needs to be some way of getting it elsewhere15:50
fralswell urgent or not, its nice to be able to send a picture to a phone imo - each to his own :)15:50
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lardmancrashanddie: it's of more use for receiving them for me, rather than sending them15:51
LynoureSometimes they are (when making e.g. a purchase decision on a onetime offer), but ironically then unually MMS are not sufficient in quality15:51
xorAxAxjohnq: when will you offer full dumps?15:51
lardmanfor the latter I agree that email is probably a better bet15:51
lardmanfrals: did you sort out that postrm script?15:51
xorAxAxjohnq: where does squashfs-module come from?15:52
fralsno idea if he managed to uninstall it, he mustve borked his badly ebcause ive had no other complaints about it15:52
lardmanah well15:52
fralsive added a return 0 at the end of the script anyway, not sure if thats right or not but it seems to work for everyone else15:52
lardmanI don't know what they are supposed to return actually15:52
johnqxorAxAx: full dumps are being made, the german dump is at 80% (and I hope that the product will be correct)15:54
xorAxAxjohnq: good to know15:54
johnqxorAxAx: the new version does not need squashfs-module anymore - is it still in the dependencies?15:54
xorAxAxjohnq: i didnt update my package list, no it isnt15:54
xorAxAxnevertheless i would like to have the package15:54
xorAxAxjohnq: do you know where i can get it?15:55
johnqxorAxAx: it's only in extras-devel15:55
johnq(the new version that is)15:55
xorAxAxi know15:55
xorAxAxi mean, i find evopedia there, but not squashfs-module, johnq15:56
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johnqxorAxAx: does not depend on squashfs-module15:58
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xorAxAxjohnq: i know! as i said!15:58
xorAxAxjohnq: but i want to have that damn module. is that possible?15:58
johnqxorAxAx: ah sorry15:58
johnqxorAxAx: squashfs-module is in extras-devel...15:59
xorAxAxi cant find it15:59
xorAxAxmaybe only in armel?16:00
johnqxorAxAx: yeah, that can be16:00
cehtehcan squashfs run on top of MTD?16:01
johnqxorAxAx: do you really want to install an i386 kernel module from the maemo reositories?16:01
xorAxAxjohnq: what does the exchange arrows icon do?16:04
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johnqxorAxAx: random article16:04
johnqxorAxAx: it's supposed to be a "shuffle playlist" symbol16:04
xorAxAxhmm, shuffle != r16:04
xorAxAxi would use dice16:04
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johnqI think the main problem was that i couldn't find nice dice ;-)16:05
xorAxAxanother bug: all links seem red instead of blue16:05
xorAxAxlet me guess, your self-written server doesnt support HEAD requests?16:06
xorAxAx(i mean, i looked for a link that points to an article with A at the beginning16:06
xorAxAxor is A incomplete as well?16:06
johnqxorAxAx: which browser do you use and what do you mean by "red" and "blue"?16:06
kuriirifrals: any idea why i get reply from mmsc: 200_OK   77876 message denied16:06
johnqxorAxAx: only ab...16:06
kuriiriit there any way to log what happens?16:07
xorAxAxthen its fine16:07
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xorAxAxjohnq: i like it, i think you can promote it16:08
johnqxorAxAx: cool, thanks16:09
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xorAxAxjohnq: you could offer a link that opens in a new window and leads to a wikipage with dumps16:09
xorAxAxin the directory browser page16:09
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Jef91Does anyone know if frozen bubble has been ported yet?16:11
xorAxAxit has16:11
Jef91what repo is it in?16:11
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mickeWhat would be the preffered method for communicating with a keyring daemon? FIFO or socket?16:12
andrunkodoes anyone know how to sync my n900 contacts on my linux box? I want to edit my contacts and I only have linux here16:12
xorAxAxJef91: try
xorAxAxandrunko: opensync16:12
andrunkoI tried Google sync and only get "Exchange server is not responding"16:12
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Jef91xorAxAx Thanks much - I was trying like Debian/Ubuntu use thehehe16:13
andrunkoxorAxAx, tnx I will check16:13
johnqxorAxAx: yes, I have to think about how to organize this website and where to host it16:15
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xorAxAxjohnq: how about the maemo wiki?16:15
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xorAxAxjohnq: it should be a wiki so everybody can add his own dumps16:16
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xorAxAxjohnq: ah, switching to another dump is missing16:16
johnqxorAxAx: no, you can switch at the search page, top left corner16:17
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johnqxorAxAx: I didn't think about others creating (and hosting) dumps as those were not really many in the last six months16:17
xorAxAxjohnq: but i would leave it open for external dumps, so a wikipage is the right solution16:19
johnqxorAxAx: you are right16:19
VDVsxmoblin in the Lg gw990 phone looks nifty o_016:20
xorAxAxVDVsx: "moblin"?16:20
VDVsxxorAxAx, intel OS16:20
VDVsxxorAxAx, some vids:
Jef91If I have this git address:
Jef91How would I use the git from CLI to download everything from that folder?16:22
xorAxAxi spot a black/greyish theme16:22
RST38hMajor fail with FBReader. Looks like Network Search cannot be placed into the menu.16:23
valdynJef91: read the docs?16:23
Jef91but I don't wanna rtfm :P16:24
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valdynJef91: ok, dont expect us to read for you16:24
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Jef91Thanks micke16:30
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Jef91The man entry wasn16:30
Jef91wasn't very clear*16:30
LuciusMarehi, mbarcode has no icon, where are they stored and how can i add it?16:30
rangeOh, it has one.16:30
rangeYou just installed it - and the last installed app shows no icon.16:31
rangeKnown bug.16:31
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mickeJef91, hint: check under "Using git for collaboration"16:31
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LuciusMarehm, but it usually gets loaded after adding a shortcut to desktop,it didnt even load. and i already rebooted16:32
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lardmanLuciusMare: it should do16:32
lardmanLuciusMare: is this on Diablo?16:33
LuciusMarewell, that does not help me - it doesnt.16:33
LuciusMarei already did16:33
fralskuriiri: most likely A) you are trying to send from the wrong connection, B) you got the wrong "From:" number or C) something else :)16:33
lardmanI probably need to add some sort of icon cache refresh call to the postinst script16:33
lardmanhmm, works for me16:33
kuriirifrals: in what format should the From: number be?16:33
fralstry both local format and international, no dashes16:34
kuriiritried :)16:34
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fralsbtw what operator are you on?16:34
kuriiriin finland16:34
fralsis, your account mms enabled etc?16:34
kuriiriofcourse i could try with another phone, if they have done something16:35
fralsif possible please do :)16:35
lardmanLuciusMare: the icons should be stored somewhere under /usr/share/hildon/icons iirc16:35
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lardmanso /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/apps/mbarcode.png16:37
lardmanare these files not included in your installation?16:37
lardmanperhaps it's something optification-related16:37
VDVsx26x26 is not more needed in maemo5, afaik16:37
fralskuriiri: i got another user who is able to send with, so it *should* work for you as well16:37
lardmanVDVsx: I just installed the whole lot16:37
lardmanVDVsx: no instructions anywhere I could see about what was required16:37
LuciusMarethis's not a major problem, what bugs me more is being unable to run bluemaemo -
kuriirifrals: ok sounds good.. i'll report you in a couple of minutes :)16:37
lardmanLuciusMare: well that's nothing to do with me16:38
lardmanLuciusMare: while mbarcode is16:38
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VDVsx48x48 for app menu and 64x64 for desktop shortcut, afaik :D16:38
fralsi got some issues with those icons as well, for some reason my .desktop file doesnt load em16:38
VDVsxLuciusMare, known bug16:39
lardmanshould both be installed too, plus a scalable one16:39
LuciusMareoh,and while we're at it, what barcodes does mbarcode support? qr code,datamatrix,and?16:39
LuciusMareVDVsx: how to fix it,then?16:39
VDVsxLuciusMare, worksforme here:
povbot`Bug 7510: Wrong behavior when pairing a device with a apostrophe (') in the name16:39
VDVsxis only fixed in svsn version16:39
lardmanLuciusMare: see and as these are what does the decoding16:40
lardman(for the list of supported types)16:40
lardmanfrals: with mbarcode?16:40
Jef91Does Maemo use pulse?16:42
kuriirifrals: seems that it's disabled :)16:42
LuciusMareweird, my device doesnt have an apostrophe in the name, and it does not pair,it does not even run16:42
VDVsxLuciusMare, it's not in your device name, is in your PC/mac/ps3 name16:43
VDVsxthis a stupid bug, I know :D16:43
VDVsx*this is16:43
LuciusMarei know,neither of them have apostrophe16:43
fralskuriiri: figures :)16:43
fralslardman: nah, my own app16:43
LuciusMaremy device is called Rover and my pc is called blackrock.16:44
LuciusMareand it does not return to menu,it fails to run16:44
fralsfunny thing is i do the exact same thing in both fMMS and fAPN, and it works in fMMS but not fAPN :P16:44
VDVsxLuciusMare, and don't you've other device paired with a none-ascii char in the name ?16:44
lardmanfrals: ok16:44
kuriirifrals: thanks for the support anyways, and i can't thank you enough :)16:44
VDVsxLuciusMare, ok, the problem is with a non-ascii char as you can see, so wait for a stable version16:45
fralskuriiri: im happy to help :)16:45
lardmanfrals: any way around the needing to only be connected to a single APN?16:45
LuciusMarethen i have a different problem16:45
fralsim working on a ugly hack to setup a parallell connection in the background, but not sure if it will work16:46
VDVsxLuciusMare, nop is the same problem, a non-ascii char is in the list of paired devices :D16:46
LuciusMareit is not, i say.16:46
fralsor well, i got some great ideas from someone and im gonna test them when i get an opportunity16:46
LuciusMaremy only paired device is "blackrock"16:46
VDVsxLuciusMare, so blame python for being crazy :D16:47
LuciusMareoh,and even after removing it,problem resists16:47
VDVsxLuciusMare, did you remove all the pairings in the list ?16:47
LuciusMarei have only one,which i just removed.16:48
VDVsxall devices there16:48
LuciusMareit was the "blackrock"16:48
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LuciusMareyes, i removed all - one.16:48
VDVsxLuciusMare, ok, you have to wait for the next version, unless you can edit the sources16:49
LuciusMaregreat *facepalms*16:49
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TomaszDgood day #maemo16:52
woglindehi TomaszD16:53
lardmanhi TomaszD16:53
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scr4vehey folks :-)17:04
SpeedEvilhey. Maybe.17:04
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scr4vejust a small question: are there currently any efforts of making android apps available on the n900?17:05
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Jef91When I try to configure my package to build it I get this error:17:05
Jef91"checking for XML::Simple... configure: error: XML::Simple perl module is required for icon-naming-utils17:05
Jef91however I have libxml-perl installed17:05
scr4veI just found a small note on the java wiki page concerning dalvik - is anyone trying to do this?17:05
Macerplease dont do it17:06
glass_if you do it, drop a note17:07
StskeepsJef91: redirect perl17:07
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StskeepsJef91: it's insanity in scratchbox form17:07
Jef91Stskeeps - what do you mean by redirect perl?17:08
LuciusMareVDVsx: and, how can i get the newest version? is the .deb made already?17:09
lardmanI imagine17:10
VDVsxLuciusMare, SVN, you've to package everything17:10
Jef91Stskeeps - thanks much17:10
inzwhee, got application menu messed up on n90017:11
inzshows both menus simultaneously17:12
LuciusMareinz: also happened to me17:12
LuciusMareVDVsx: so,when is the release date?17:12
VDVsxwhen ready17:13
inzlucius, did you figure any way out (without losing uptime ;)17:13
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LuciusMareoh,actually yes - dont care.17:13
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LuciusMareor hacking uptime17:14
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inzluci, little friendly killall hildon-desktop resolveds it :)17:16
thorbjornI'm trying to enable red pill mode in the Application Manager, like so:
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LuciusMarewhyyyy didnt you tell me before? i lost two weeks of uptime17:17
thorbjornBut when I enter "matrix" and cancel, it doesn't ask for red pill mode.17:18
thorbjornAnyone know of updated instructions?17:18
thorbjornI need the "assume network connection" option.17:18
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Jef91Stskeeps - Maybe I am not understanding this correctly - I ran "export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl"17:19
Jef91And I still get the same perl error17:19
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Andy80lcuk: hi, wasn'r #maemo-ux the irc channel you suggested me?17:28
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VDVsxAndy80, -ui17:32
Andy80sorry :P17:32
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thorbjornI've just managed to compile the latest released version of The Mana World ( in Scratchbox and it runs on my N900 when I copy it over and install the necessary dependencies.17:49
thorbjornNow how would I go about creating a package?17:49
thorbjornThere are already Debian build scripts available that could be adapted.17:49
PaulFertserCan please anyone tell for sure if the USB connector problem was in fact solved on production units or not? Why the hell it's only rumors but no true info whatsover?!17:51
thorbjornWhat problem is that?17:51
RST38hThere is at least one report indicating it has not been solved17:51
StskeepsPaulFertser: the people we normally talk to has nothing to deal with hw :P17:52
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PaulFertserStskeeps: it would be nice if someone did an abnormal talk to actually clarify the confusion among n900 owners...17:53
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PaulFertserStskeeps: because apparently those who do know the answer do not read stupid tmo17:54
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PaulFertserRST38h: one report doesn't mean much when thousands of devices were sold... I think someone from nokia claimed that something was done about the problem after discovering it in pre-mp units. Who was it, can he confirm his words with more details?17:55
LuciusMarehuh, i just downloaded the take-screenshot applet,i half-pressed camera button,where does it save?17:55
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RST38hPaul: What does google say?17:57
MilhouseLucius: probably in the screenshot folder. fire up the photo app, and look at the detail for the image17:58
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PaulFertserRST38h: hm, nothing? Last time i remember hearing about the issue it was someone unidentifiable who claimed that.17:59
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LuciusMareokay,found,how to change the screenshot folder?18:05
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Jef91Need halp with scratchbox if anyone is good with it -
salmanI just came from a LUG meeting were there was a presentation about the N900 and wow.. this this is nice18:06
salmanthe presenter show a couple of very useful python application he created in very little time18:07
salmanis it possible to run an image of maemo virtually in my debian18:07
LuciusMaresalman: yes,but dont expect it as a full emulator18:08
LuciusMarei mean,its for developing and testing only18:08
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Jef91LuciusMare - where can I get a copy of said image?18:11
Jef91I'd like to run it under virtual box if possible18:11
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LuciusMareJef91: google for maemo emulator or "sdk images" or so18:13
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LuciusMarehi, i have problems with screencasting,italways makes only a blank one second video18:28
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salmanwas there any new update to maemo os after the N900 release?18:29
Stskeepsno, but PR1.1 should come any day18:30
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LuciusMareStskeeps: what are the major changes?18:31
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* ifreq likes turtles18:33
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moo-_-LuciusMare: it is not public information18:35
lcukmoos @ moo-_-18:35
lcukRST38h, *blink*18:36
lcukthough, in ikea today there was a toilet in the showhouse thing, it had a big label on the seat saying it was welded shut because it was not a real loo18:37
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RST38hlcuk: Actually, placing some really nasty toothy beanie doll there seems to make sense18:39
* VDVsx hopes nokia release PR1.1 after a few days of releasing PR1.0.1, not another month :(18:41
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krigVDVxs: there's a 1.0.1 coming?18:42
StskeepsLuciusMare: i don't know18:42
StskeepsLuciusMare: we can only hope it's saner with ovi maps though18:43
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VDVsxkrig, I guess so, dunno when :D18:43
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VDVsxaccording to yesterday talk here, is already approved, dunno what that means either :P18:44
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krigaah, sounds promising at least18:46
RST38hVDVsx: I am not getting it18:46
RST38hVDVsx: So, some people are already testing PR1.1, but we will not see it any time soon, will see PR1.0.1 instead?18:47
VDVsxRST38h, you can't SSU from pr1.0 to pr1.1, it seems18:47
Jef91Would an arm deb run properly on an ARM system?18:47
Jef91arm on armel*18:47
RST38hVDVsx: And that is the reason for not releasing it?18:47
SpeedEvilJef91: theer are several important subarchitectures of 'arm'18:48
VDVsxRST38h, is the reason because you need pr1.0.1, I think18:48
VDVsxsearch yesterday logs, everything is there :D18:48
* RST38h optifying FBReader18:48
RST38hWhoever wanted Net Book Search enabled, you are out of luck for now.18:48
Jef91SpeedEvil is that a yes or would bad things ensue?18:48
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SpeedEvilJef91: it's a maybe - at worst it'll generally segfault18:49
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Jef91kk I'm going  to do it then thehehe18:50
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RST38hAnyone knows what the minimal icon size in the toolbar is ?18:52
RST38hHow many can I stick there?18:52
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SpeedEvilRST38h: 800*480?18:54
SpeedEvil(as to an upper limit of how many you could stick in)18:54
VDVsxRST38h, frematle master layout guide :D18:54
RST38hVDVsx: Where? =)18:54
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: don't foret dithering18:55
Jef91Gah. clisp is going tobe the death of me I swear18:55
* SpeedEvil sometimes forgets dithering.18:55
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lcukDocScrutinizer51, dithering?18:58
VDVsxoh, "web design guidelines of the n900", why we need that, we've the full browsing experience :P18:58
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lcukyou need that because whilst you *can* use regular normal fat web from the desktop18:58
lcukits optimal if you use the simplest thinnest lightest page possible18:59
lcukto save your users wasting time bandwidth and money18:59
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: well not exactly dithering. you might place multiple icons on one pixel e.g.18:59
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VDVsxlcuk, do you think anyone will adapt their site for the N900 :p18:59
lcukVDVsx, theres many people already optimizing mobile versions of their sites19:00
woglindehm is there a way to read the sms from the simcard on n900?19:00
RST38hOk, I have found what I need19:00
RST38hThe toolbar is an HBox19:00
RST38hIt's packing settings can probably be changed19:00
VDVsxlcuk, yes, but mobile version suck a bit in the n900, I prefer the full version19:01
DocScrutinizer51RST38h: great :-)19:01
VDVsxRST38h, the doc helped ?19:01
Arkenoibtw people often complain about UI inconsistency. kinetic scroll areas in some programs vs scollbars in others; enabling cursor via gesture; zoom/volume keys.. everything differs from one program to another19:01
lcukVDVsx, mobile version is useful for mobile people, i find it hard (for instance) using full gmail on device.  even using tmo is tricky19:02
inzhmm, fm radio seems to make the device quite slow19:02
lcuk(try vaispy it has trouble sometimes)19:02
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inzis there a better way to get to the app switcher other than flip-slopping the lens cover?-)19:05
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SpeedEvilinz: there is 'camd' or something19:05
kriginz: ctrl-backspace19:05
Stskeepsinz: ctrl-backspace19:05
tigertinz: ctrl-bs19:05
SpeedEvilinz: that pops up the switcher when you press hte cam key19:06
inzwhoa, youre helpful today19:06
krig\o/ i win19:06
SpeedEvilcamd is more useful if kbd is closed tho19:06
RST38hVDVsx: Not really19:06
inzwhy would it be ;)19:06
RST38hVDVsx: Ended up looking through gtk+ reference19:06
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RST38hVDVsx: The style guide is seemingly written by people who have neither written nor used a Maemo app19:07
SpeedEvilRST38h: That would contaminate the purity of their vision!19:07
SpeedEvilRST38h: the best design concepts are from people who do not know what a mobile phone or a computer is.19:08
VDVsxRST38h, humm, I think it was written by the UI team, seems well organized at least, never read it :D19:08
RST38hSpeedEvil: Maybe someone should blind them to reach the pinnacle of design excellence19:10
RST38hVDVsx: You can well-organize just about anything19:10
Jef91Alright, so I am assuming this is just another scratchbox oddity...19:10
Jef91I'm trying to compile clisp from source, and when I run ./configure it complains that "libsigsegv" is not installed19:11
N900evilcamkeyd btw19:11
VDVsxoh, we've a maemo dev crash course, great when people are complaining about the lack of docs and no one advertise that :(19:11
Jef91However that package is installed on my system...19:11
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Jef91Any suggestions?19:12
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woglindeJef91 ist -dev package installed of libsigsegv?19:17
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Flandryanyone here with experience setting XWMHints?19:19
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VDVsxset the InputHint to true19:21
Jef91woglinde - tried booth19:21
Flandryyeah that's the easy part :D19:21
Flandrythe hard part is figuring out what parameters to pass to the function19:21
FlandrySpecifically, i can't figure out what the "Display" is19:22
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Flandrythere are no calls to X_get _display like in the example i saw19:22
henningmsI can't plug in my headphones into the N900 anymore :/ it makes the worst contant screeching sound19:22
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VDVsxFlandry, maybe this patch helps:
Flandryno, that's one of the examples i looked at19:25
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timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: ping19:39
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Jef91Is there a place I can download the source for older maemo pacakges?19:47
Jef91like from maemo4?19:47
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MSameerJef91: should be available from repository.maemo.org19:52
Jef91thanks much19:53
luke-jrJef91: note only certain components are open source, not Maemo as a whole19:54
luke-jrwhat exactly are you looking for?19:54
Jef91for OS 200819:54
Jef91wanna recompile it for Maemo5/N90019:54
luke-jrnever heard of that19:54
Jef91Its a solitair/card game19:55
Jef91Because if my father ever snags my n900 - he is going to want to play that19:55
luke-jrno clue if that's open19:55
Jef91its is FOSS19:55
Jef91its part of the gnome games collection19:55
Flandryyou don't necessarily need to recompile19:55
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Flandrybut check garage19:56
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Jef91I just figured it would be easier to rebuild it from the OS 2008 package19:56
Jef91than the general source19:56
Flandryand check the previous repo19:56
Jef91Flandry - garage?19:56
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slonopotamus'easier', 'build' and 'maemo' can't go in one sentence.19:56
Flandry~garage ?19:57
RST38hslonopotamus: they can, as long as you keep autobuilder out of the sentence19:57
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Jef91slonopotamus - concur19:57
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Flandrya lot of the packages for OS2008 are only available as source from garage19:57
Jef91Been bashing my head into the wall for the last two days working on it19:57
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Jef91Yea I need source for -
Jef91only the debs are there19:58
Jef91What is the garage - link please?19:58
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slonopotamusRST38h, and sb :P19:58
FlandryJust gave it :P19:58
Jef91ahh lol sorry19:58
Jef91I'm half working my deskjob19:58
Flandryno problem19:58
Jef91see it now19:58
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RST38hslonopotamus: I am using sb2, it is easy enough19:59
Flandrywhich is *why* we have the autobuilder now19:59
Flandryso that come Maemo6, everyone doesn't have to start over again because nobody uploaded source packages19:59
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Jef91Flandry - where the hell do I find source packages on that page?20:01
Jef91Searching for the package names yields nothing20:01
Flandryit may not be there20:02
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Flandrythat's just where some of the stuff was hosted20:02
Jef91Sad panda20:02
Flandrymay be the previous maintainer worked out of a back room20:02
Flandryyou googled it?20:03
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Jef91Maemo needs to get more organized like Debian/Ubuntu20:03
Jef91Yes I did20:03
Jef91all I get are links back to live.gnome.org20:03
Jef91which has source for all of gnome games - not just the solitaire package20:03
RST38hFlandry: You are joking, right?20:03
RST38hFlandry: about having source packages?20:04
FlandryI think Jef91 just made the point for me actually20:05
RST38hFlandry: Maemo6 is going to be Qt based and will break all kinds of things20:05
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FlandryJef91: you're in luck20:06
RST38hFlandry: Maemo is no Ubuntu, alas20:06
Jef91Flandry 0.o?20:06
Flandrynor do i think it is20:06
microlithanyone here used the mscim package?20:06
Jef91Flandry - find me some source code?20:06
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Flandrydoesn't change the fact that having source packages for the apps in Fremantle will simplify porting next time20:07
FlandryJef91: no, but the previous maintainer is active
Flandrysend him a message20:07
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Jef91Golden! Good idea, thanks20:07
Flandryyw, been there, done that :D20:08
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VDVsxFlandry, which package ?20:09
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Jef91Thanks again Flandry, jkust shot him a message20:12
FlandryAnd may your app not suffer from the matchbox focus bug of doom20:13
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RST38hArkenoi: and weep20:15
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luke-jrhrm, I actually hold a high bid of $51 on a new sealed N900 O.o20:15
Jef91luke-jr Link? I'll totally come steal it :P20:16
luke-jrJef91: :<20:16
luke-jrJef91: 5 days left, so no doubt someone will20:16
Jef91haha yep20:16
luke-jrI made the mistake of bidding on the one ending latest :/20:16
Jef91will got for at least 400~ish20:16
luke-jrwhich kinda now means my hands are tied for anything ending sooner20:16
luke-jrunless you outbid me?? :P20:16
luke-jrbut $250.01 for me? :P20:17
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Jef91Source code!20:17
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tigertwhat is this dbus scripts app?20:20
zashover N9000?20:20
AakashPatelprobably to do random dbus stuff20:21
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tigertit has a lot of events in pulldowns20:21
* RST38h moos at tigert without any reason20:21
tigertbut i dont know what it does20:21
tigertRST38h: ?20:21
RST38hwell, without any reason.20:22
RST38hVDVsx: Any idea when VioletMaemo is coming? =)20:22
VDVsxRST38h, hello kitty theme ?20:23
* tigert chuckles at the "fapn" name20:23
tigertbut man, dudes20:24
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* tigert is impressed by the small handy utils appearing20:24
tigertgprs/3G switch applet, flashlight, mms20:24
RST38hVDVsx: No, IRda =)20:24
tigertcool stuff20:24
RST38hVDvsx: Blue+Red =)20:24
VDVsxRST38h, oh, have too much things to do :(20:25
RST38hVDVsx: think what happens when you find a job...20:25
VDVsxRST38h, free time :p20:25
VDVsxmost of the thinks sucking my time atm, are temporary, will end soon ;)20:26
Jef91What exactly is contained within the diff.gz for a source package?20:27
* VDVsx adds improve/update his CV in the to do list20:29
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, pong?20:33
povbot`Bug 7194: Browser randomly crashes20:33
timeless_mbpwhat's the last comment you see there?20:33
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slonopotamusbrowser stably crashes on :)20:34
GeneralAntillesComment #12: "You have just helped me a lot, thanks for the hint."20:34
Markus23_is it possible to integrate different search engines in the n900 browser?20:34
timeless_mbpslonopotamus: have you installed crash-reporter?20:34
Markus23_when I type a word it suggests a google search20:35
Markus23_but a wikipedia search would be great too!20:35
Jef91Why can't maemo run libc6 2.7.1?20:35
Jef91It would make my life about 100 times easier20:36
woglindeJef91 in diff.gz is the debian dir mostly20:36
woglindesometimes some patches20:36
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woglindewhy would libc 2.7.1 make your life easier?20:37
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woglindelibc 2.7.1 still needs patches20:37
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Markus23_no idea about different sarch engines?20:37
slonopotamustimeless_mbp, nope, how i had to learn it exists at all?20:38
timeless_mbpcomplain here until you saw it mentioned?20:38
tigertMarkus23_: bookmark keywords would be cool like in ffox20:39
tigertthat would solve it20:39
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Markus23_tigert a box to select wiki search would be enogh for me20:40
RST38hAnyone familiar with debian packaging???20:40
Markus23_so google is hardcoded and that can't be customized?20:41
mickeRST38h what were you wondering?20:41
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microlithhmm, scim website is broke20:45
tigertMarkus23_: in practice typing "wikipedia foobar" takes you where you expect20:45
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tigertMarkus23_: there was a search applet for home20:46
tigertmaybe tha can search other engines?20:46
Jef91I swear to god, everytime I try to compile a package it leads to needing to compile two other packages20:47
Jef91which then in turn need two other packages... Makes you love apt-get20:47
vpvMarkus23_: firefox mobile has support for different search engines20:50
Markus23_tigert: no "wikipedia foobar" gives me a google page, maybe with correct hit on top20:50
Markus23_but it is still disturbing with slow connection20:50
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laurihappy new year Maemo people :P20:51
homeasvs_how should code programatically detect it's running on maemo ?20:52
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arachnistscreen size?20:52
arachnisthomeasvs_: what are you trying to do?20:52
homeasvs_arachnist, detect if my code is running on maemo20:53
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homeasvs_in which case, I want to select a keyring that doesn't prompt for a password on console20:53
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tigertMarkus23_: darn, indeed20:57
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wndhomeasvs_, check for /etc/osso_software_version?21:00
homeasvs_wnd, hm, that file is not available in my scratchbox21:01
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RST38hmicke: I need to create a symbolic link to a directory inside deb21:06
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lauriThe extras-devel is missing hashes again21:06
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RST38hmicke: When I do it in makefile, I end up with an empty directory rather than symbolic link21:06
laurican anybody comment on this21:06
RST38hwoglinde: moo?21:06
woglinde_rst install into debian/tmp21:06
wndRST38h, no you don't. linking to directories is a bad idea as dpkg doesn't handle it well.21:06
RST38hwoglinde: ?21:06
woglinde_use .install file21:06
RST38hwnd: thank you, captain obvious21:07
wndmy pleasure21:07
RST38hwoglinde: could you be more detaild on this?21:07
woglinde_rst or what is your problem excattly?21:07
woglinde_maybe postinst and postrm is what you are seeking21:07
wndjust don't say I didn't warn you21:07
woglinde_speak quick21:08
woglinde_I need to go shopping now21:08
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RST38hwoglinde: trying to move /usr/share/zlibrayr to /opt/maemo/usr/share/zlibrary21:08
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RST38hyes, I can do it in postinst but would rather not21:09
woglinde_auto optify dont works?21:09
wndiirc dh_link can create links to directories just fine but it doesn't make it a good idea21:09
woglinde_rst are you reading the -dev mailinglist?21:10
woglinde_till has the same problem as you21:10
woglinde_and there are 3 solutions21:10
woglinde_hm maybee 4 with mine21:10
woglinde_but auto optify should work21:11
woglinde_in your case21:11
woglinde_okay till later21:11
woglinde_rst I hope you will solve it on your own21:12
RST38hWhat is the least messy solution?21:12
woglinde_if it works for you21:12
woglinde_one file in debian/21:12
woglinde_so now I am off21:13
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timeless_mbpfwiw, bug 7795 is going to affect anyone who used bugzilla w/in a certain time interval21:15
povbot`Bug bugzilla lost comments and attachments21:15
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DocScrutinizer51woglinde_: where U r hanging around? To go shopping at that time you have to be different TZ than I'd expect21:17
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mickeRST38h: I see woglinde_ has given you the solution put a file named optify in debian with the content auto21:19
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KamuiN900aaah, ive mostly fixed my camera slide21:20
KamuiN900didnt klike ising glue on it, but nokia was being lame21:20
KamuiN900refusing to replace the cover they admit has a defect21:20
mickeRST38h: for the general answer to the question on how to create a synlink id do it in debian/postinst21:20
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fralshmm crap, my exchange server went offline >_<21:23
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RST38hok, auto-optify it is then21:25
RST38hIt will probably fuck up though21:25
Fredrik1994time to register at maemo.org21:27
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timeless_mbphey could someone w/ welho near please try watching channel 4?21:27
timeless_mbpfor me, i'm getting incredibly bad decoding for anny movement21:28
Fredrik1994"only lowercase"21:28
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* Fredrik1994 likes his uppercase-name FIQ21:28
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Fredrik1994can someone explain why there's 2 of them, and why i need to specify it at all?21:30
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El_Angeloanyone knows how to get alt in the terminal?21:30
Fredrik1994oh, it wasn't needed21:31
Fredrik1994nvm then21:31
lardmanEl_Angelo: is it on the on-screen bit at the bottom of the term?21:31
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El_Angeloit s not there while ctrl is21:32
lardmanhmm ok21:32
lardmanwhat do you want to do?21:32
lardmanchange vt?21:32
El_Angelochatting from weechat need alt to switch windows21:33
lardmanI don't know then I'm afraid, other than patching weechat to not need that21:34
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arachnistlardman: you can always use esc+[0-9]21:46
SpeedEvilcouple it to n900fly.21:46
SpeedEvilthrow to 4m, window 421:46
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tigertmy privmsg to konttori would be a bit challenging then21:52
tigert32 meters would be quite challenging :)21:52
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angasule_can anyone recommend me a font that includes IPA? droid font doesn't mention it :?21:53
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pupniksomeone should make an inductive charging (touchstone) kit for N90021:57
konttorishould be doable I think21:58
konttoriWould need the induction coil to be glued to backplate I think.21:58
pupnikmaybe a l21:58
pupnikmaybe pins sticking down to battery21:59
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Jef91Anyon here know how to resolve this error message: "configure: error: Your db library is missing db 1.85 compatibility mode21:59
Jef91I know it has to do with berkly dbs but I can't find what package I am missing to resolve said error21:59
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Arkenoiis it possible to map some key combo to "fullscreen" key known to old maemo software, say, rss reader?22:00
pupniksometimes i delete the configure test to see if it really matters22:00
pupnikiirc it was F6 but check first Arkenoi22:01
pupnikso you could edit the rx51 file to bind something to that maybe22:02
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pupnikanybody here dump sdk onto device and get it running?22:05
pupnikwith a good keyboard it might be fun22:05
Jaffalardman: pong (but that's last night, I suspect)22:06
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Arkenoipupnik: thinking on it, it has to be optified first otherwise it won't fit22:08
pupnikmaybe use chroot22:09
konttoriArkenoi: You should be able to create an application that listens on bg for certain key press, then sets the X window flag of the current top most window to be full screen22:09
konttoriI think that should do it22:09
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pupnikthat would be useful22:10
pupniki want terminal icon to always create a new terminal22:11
pupnikcause i gconfed my terminal to be true fullscreen22:11
pupnikfor the roguelikes22:11
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fralsanyone happen to know if there is a way to set priority on gprs connection? ie which one it should autoconnect to?22:12
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konttoriArkenoi: you could take the camera button to go to switcher -app as the baseline for the work22:13
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konttoriwow, I needed to reinstall xcode to get qt sdk to work on osx. Apparently it doesn't come with make.22:18
Jef91konttori - people do dev work on OSX?22:21
Jef91Learn something new everyday I guess22:21
konttoriI'm too lazy to boot always my vmware image of ubuntu.22:22
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Jef91Your doing it wrong... :P22:28
Jef91Run OSX as the vm22:28
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ifreqosx is as good dev env as any lame ass n00buntu22:29
Jef91Anyone in here know anything about berkeley dbs?22:29
ShadowJK...and extras-devel is broken again22:29
Jef91ShadowJK Along with the rest of the repos22:29
Jef91I swear they are running off someone22:29
Jef91someone's shitty DSL line22:29
ShadowJKextras and testing worked for me22:29
* ShadowJK was looking for this 2g/3g applet22:30
* microlith chuckles at people raging at other distros22:30
type_tso whats new this year...22:30
ShadowJKoh now it worked when I tapped refresh again22:30
type_tbesides that is freezing because of global warming..22:32
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* ifreq thinks its quite normal degrees atleast in finland22:33
ifreqno global warming fx22:33
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ShadowJKglobal warming predicts UK would get colder, amusingly22:35
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cehtehRST38h: urgs .. i didint know that capacitative is *so* much off22:37
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RST38hwell, you should try this test on your n90022:38
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cehtehdid you?22:39
cehtehiirc it gives perfect straight lines22:40
Jef91RST38h: Its a shame they don't have an N900 there22:40
ShadowJKmine doesn't :)22:40
Jef91Although I like that 3 of the 4 run linux thehehe22:40
Jef91even if it is Android *gags*22:40
ShadowJKwith finger I get warbly lines, not jagged... with stylus i get perfect lines22:41
redeemani wish there was a way to batch-download maps for an area with gpxview/maep22:42
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cehtehusing a ruler i guess22:42
cehtehruler & stylus22:42
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* Jef91 just discovered there is a Tim Burton movie ad on his N900?...22:45
Stskeepsone more plus?22:46
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Jef91and it said 09/09/09 at the end22:46
Jef91but I've never heard if the film before22:46
* Jef91 heads to google22:47
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Jef91oh it went straight to DVD22:48
type_tmy two cents.. is that like that visual illusion where a line seems to cuve  .. the curve of  HID functionality is efficient for HID fo work just fine.. your eyes see curvy lines . but the screen is not used for erecting buildings. it jsut needs to work thats all..22:48
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doc|homeJef91: it's very good22:49
doc|homeJef91: was definitely in the cinema here (Canada(22:49
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Jef91never here in the states, at least not that I recall and I movie visit often22:50
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Jef91I wish I could figure out this berkeley db issue. Its holding up all my porting >.<22:52
rangeHmmm. It's only coming out in February here in Germany.22:52
* mtnbkr is a Tim Burton fan and will need to find/rent "9" :)22:52
woglindeJef91 hm why you need a newer libdb?22:53
Jef914.2 doesn't work22:53
Jef91thread detailing the issue:
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woglindejef91 try one of the debian packages22:53
woglinderecompile them on scratchbox22:54
rangemtnbkr: The director is called Shane Acker.22:54
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lardmanJaffa: np, thanks :)22:55
Jef91woglinde I'll try that22:56
wazd_9 is kinda suck22:56
Jef91should I still use 4.2 you think?22:56
wazd_That's because it is not Burtons only film22:56
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wazd_Poor visuals, weird storyline22:57
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Jef91woglinde have you ever installed berkeley from source before?23:05
krigehm, is it just me, or is the maemo package builder pining for the fjords? it's even more dead than usual23:05
Jef91Its super non-standard and not straight forward23:05
woglindejef91 hm only through helpers23:05
woglindelinke in openembedded23:06
woglindeand I didnt looked a the debian db-packages yet23:06
woglindeI am only glad If I can zap one version23:06
Jef91They are ugly23:06
woglindethats why there are now 9 or 10 of them in debian23:06
woglindelet me see23:06
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SpeedEvil Apparantly the N96, N85,N79, N900  share the same camera23:07
Jef91Signing up for their user forums.... hopefully they have active people overthere23:07
woglindehm libdb4.2-libdb4.923:07
woglindein unstable23:07
woglindeand some libdb323:07
woglindeaeh one23:07
FlandryStill fighting with  XSetWMHints23:09
Jef91I hate when places take a day and a half to send activation emails23:09
lardmanJaffa: Out of interest, can you install googlelatitude from extras-devel? I have lib-qt4 issues, am wondering if this is an image version problem....23:09
Jef91woglinde - I can't use the debian debs because they need libc6 2.7.1 or higher23:09
woglindejef91 adjust the deps23:09
woglindeFlandry hm why fighting?23:10
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woglindeJef91 with the editor of your choice23:10
Flandrybecause it couses the program to abort23:10
Jef91How do I open the deb via CLI?23:12
Chikudpkg something23:12
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luke-jrdpkg -i some.deb IIRC23:13
Flandry-i installs it23:13
Jef91because I'm assuming I have to open then to edit them23:13
Jef91and then I'll need to repackage it afterwards?...23:13
woglindeJef91 I didnt say dpkg -i the debian deb23:13
woglindeI said recompile the debian-deb in sratchbox23:13
konttorianybody used fMMS yet?
Jaffalardman: PR1.1 doesn't work with most Qt apps23:14
Flandrydid you go through the debian package maintainer guide Jef91?23:14
Jef91Sorry woglinde, I'm lost as to what you are suggesting I should do23:14
povbot`Bug 7742: Apps depending on libqt4-phonon won't install on 2.2009.51-123:14
FlandryJaffa: nooo23:14
ShadowJK <- what I wonder is if the "fremantles vnc viewer on diablo is crippled wrt hw buttons, etc..23:15
lardmanJaffa: cool, ok, so I'm not going mad23:15
Jef91Flandry: Negative23:15
Jaffalardman: No, but how'd we tell? ;-)23:15
Flandrygood place to start for deb building23:15
woglindeShadowJK I am still working on qtnx23:16
Jef91I know how to build a deb...23:16
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Jef91Have you looked at the libdb source?23:16
lardmanJaffa: so true, but it's not your being able to tell I worry about, it's mine! ;)23:16
fralskonttori: need any help with it? ;-)23:16
woglindeJef91 as I said, nope23:16
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konttorifrals, I was just blasted that it seems to work.23:17
Jef91woglinde It lacks a configure file and the README doesn't point to anything useful23:17
ShadowJKwoglinde: I'm just generally confused when random apps that seem very maemo5 appear in maemo4 h-a-m :)23:17
konttorinow too tired to test more (sorry, kb misbehaving)23:17
woglindejef91 sure you made apt-get source libdb4.8?23:17
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woglindeshadowjk ah okay thats the point23:17
woglindeseems some didnt realized that he uploads to both builder23:18
Jaffalardman: Heh :)23:18
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ShadowJKwoglinde: a few accelerometer apps there too23:18
Jef91woglinde - I don't have the debian repos on my scratchbox...23:19
woglindehe jaffa23:19
woglindehi lardman23:19
Jef91I've been wgeting my sources23:19
woglindejef91 aeh?23:19
woglindejef91 apt-get source is your friend23:19
Jef91woglinde - I don't want to add the debian repos over my sdk ones23:20
Jef91conflicting packages and the such23:20
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Jef91woglinde - just did apt-get source and it is the same non-sense I downloaded from the website23:21
Jef91no clue how to make it install23:21
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woglindejef91 go into the dir23:23
woglindeand run dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us23:23
Jef91woglinde - fancy, now where on earth did you find that?23:24
woglinde*sigh* because I ambuilding debian packages for over 10 years now23:24
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Jef91Well thats about half as long as I've been alive, so thanks ;)23:26
SpeedEvilyou're 5?23:27
* SpeedEvil probably should get some sleep.23:27
Jef91SpeedEvil - 19, 10 is about half of 19 ;)23:28
Jef91haha agreed23:28
woglindeJef91 I suggest you read some mameo developer documentation23:29
Jef91Have a suggested starting point I should dive in at?23:30
woglindego to maemo.org23:30
woglindethere is big entry development23:30
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GeneralAntillesbug #63023:32
povbot`Bug Increased Bugzilla transparency - get the developers involved!23:32
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SpeedEvil'FIXED - Placed bugzilla machine in transparent case'23:35
Chikuwill new firmware release soon? or just at begining develloppement stage?23:37
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Jef91Chiku Your guessis as good as ours23:38
Jef91guess is*23:38
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ShadowJKit's not the development... it's the QA...23:40
GeneralAntillesChiku, my bet would be the next week or two.23:41
Jef91woglinde libdb fails to compile with a checkroot error :-/23:41
Chikuhi GeneralAntilles23:41
Chikudidn't you always on codec or enconding chans?23:42
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woglindejef91 aeh are you using sb2?23:42
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GeneralAntillesNot as far as I know.23:42
SpeedEvil hmm23:42
Jef91oh - scratchbox2? Not sure - how do I check my version #23:43
woglindeare you using sdk or sdk+?23:43
Jef91woglinde I didn23:43
Chikusomeone success to display 1440x720 video ?23:43
Jef91I didn't setup the SDK I'm using - its on a friends server23:43
Jef91Not sure what versions he used.23:44
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woglindeChiku nope23:45
SpeedEvilsomewhat off-topic - how do I as a user on a box say that I want to log in as root by default to ssh on the phone. To avoid typing root@ lots23:45
woglindeChiku only hd720p is supported23:46
ShadowJKwoglinde, uh?23:46
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ShadowJK480p you mean23:46
PaulFertserSpeedEvil: i think with per-host entry in your ssh config.23:46
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woglindeShadowJK the sgx can 720p23:46
ShadowJKRendering 3D at 720p doesn't help you decode video23:47
Chikuwoglinde, do you have max encoding spec on n900 ?23:47
woglinde*g* okay23:47
ShadowJKDSP+IVA2 might be able to do it, I guess.23:47
woglindeShadowJK jupp I always mix the stuff23:47
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ShadowJKdoes openmax stuff use iva btw?23:48
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woglindeShadowJK I fear only the dsp23:49
ShadowJKthen I imagine 480p is the limit :)23:49
woglindebut I am not sure23:50
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thorbjornI lost the link to the web upload form for the fremantle autobuilder.23:53
thorbjornDoes anybody know where to find it?23:53
timeless_mbpgoogle will help you find it :)23:53
thorbjornAlright. :)23:53
thorbjornThanks a bunch.23:54
woglindehi timeless23:54
ShadowJKwoglinde, that's not about video decoding afaict23:54
woglindethere is 720p and 480p mentioned23:54
woglindeso I guess this fits23:54
woglindeits linux23:54
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ShadowJKthis is just about display stuff and using the camera input..23:56
ShadowJKSo yeah, all it means is that if you hook it up to HDMI it can drive it at 720p?23:57
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woglindeShadowJK *g* so better than nothing23:58
SpeedEvilI need to look up the specs of hte composite out port and see what it can be abused to.23:58
pH5afaik there are vendors that have 720p h264 bp codecs running on the dsp (google beagle board h264 720p).23:58
ShadowJKWith the right codec choice I can make MPlayer decode 1080p and scale it to 800x480 for N900 too23:58
SpeedEvilI suspect it'll have an antialiasing filter on the out - which is unfortunate23:58
ShadowJKbut that's pretty pointless23:58

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