IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-01-08

MohammadAGisn't it against the law?00:00
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andre__MohammadAG, what does it do?00:01
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MohammadAGfake the country to enable the FM transmitter00:01
andre__so, against which exact country law? :-P00:02
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MohammadAGDuring install, the FM Transmitter Daemon will be patched to query the fmtx-faker daemon on the "allowed state". It will be unpatched on removal. It can be (un)patched on request by invoking fmtx-faker-tool in an X Terminal.00:02
ml-N900andre__: ok00:02
MohammadAGwhere the fmtx is not allowed obviously :)00:02
lardmanagainst the law in Greece so I heard00:02
andre__"The author accepts no responsibility or liabilty for any consequences arising from installing and/or using FMTX Faker."00:02
lardmanbut not in the UK so I don't care00:02
andre__qwerty needs to check his spelling here though :-P00:02
rlinfatilardman, ok...00:02
ShadowJKSupposedly other nokia phones come with fm transmitter enabled in greece anyway00:03
andre__I don't think he will be arrested at the airport when trying to enter Greece.00:03
lardmanandre__:? liability?00:03
andre__lardman, yeah00:03
lardmanhe's only a school boy ;)00:04
lardmanwhere is he these days anyway?00:04
andre__also wondering00:04
woglindelardman that are the worst00:04
lardmanwoglinde: exactly, I was giving him an excuse00:04
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woglindehi jebba00:05
jebbajust here briefly00:05
DocScrutinizer51FMTX isn't any worse than Nokia selling the physical TX or digikey selling components to build a phaser gun00:06
lardmanrlinfati: I was just thinking about getting zooming to work correctly00:06
DocScrutinizer51it's always you who gets his ass in trouble00:06
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andre__any Swedish folks around using a Comviq SIM card that can comment on ?00:07
povbot`Bug 7744: Swedish Comviq SIM card variably recognised by n90000:07
lardmanandre__: shove a bit of paper underneath to get the contacts to touch? ;)00:08
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yuizyhas anyone compiled the despotify qt client and uploaded it somewhere?00:10
Anidelanyone successful in using MfE with Google ? on N900 of course00:10
fralsyuizy: i think its in -devel00:10
mickeandre_ enable extras-devel and try qtify :)00:11
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mickesorry i meam yuizy00:12
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yuizyah, qtify00:12
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mickeit is not the same as qtspotify, its a new app00:13
mickeqtspotify depends on versions of qt thats not in the repos00:14
mickeso hexagoon wrote a new client00:14
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pwnguindo maemo packagers bother with a changelog?00:17
mickepwnguin I do :)00:18
pwnguinwhere's it end up?00:18
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pwnguini figured it gets stripped during build00:18
pwnguinand there's nothing like that i know of00:19
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mickeNah I would think that you could do apt-get source00:19
mickeand find it in debian/changelog but i could be wrong...00:19
pwnguinor changelogs.ubuntu.com00:19
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mickeI dont now if its avalible online like that00:20
mickeits in the source package00:21
mickein the folde debian00:21
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Jef91howdy all00:21
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pwnguinits a bit annoying to see updates with no clue what actually changed00:21
pekujaI've been having trouble with 3G connectivity. anybody got tips for debugging it?00:21
pekujalike if I could see some more verbose status info00:22
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pekujaon N900, obviously00:22
Jef91grr why can nothing ever just compile correctly the first time00:22
dmj726_n900Ruler jinni needs calibrating00:23
HexagoonJef91: I think it's something with murphys law that causes it00:23
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Jef91Hexagoon: sounds about right00:24
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Jef91I hate debugging other people's source code, for once i just want to be able to collect the depens and hit compile00:25
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mkargari wnat update app,but,i recieved error:application list partially refreshed.some catalogs unavailable.check catagory details.00:31
mkargarwhats my problem?00:32
Jef91repos are being bitchy00:33
Jef91do you have rootsh installed on your device?00:33
dmj726_n900Is tim teulings online?00:36
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mkargarjef91:i want install rotsh and recieved this error!00:37
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Jef91mkargar: ahh that sucks. try it from a different internet connection if you can, for instance on my work wifi kit always times out but over my 3g it reads fine00:38
Hexagoonmkargar, just press on a blurry spot on the screen to close that window, i think it'll install anyway00:38
Hexagoonnever mind00:38
Hexagoonthat wont work00:38
Hexagoonit works with another message00:38
mkargarjef91:i using wifi!not have 3g!only wifi:(00:40
mkargarHexagoon:i tested it!but..package doesn't installed!00:40
Hexagooni see, just try again later00:40
Hexagoonthe repositories isn't feeling to well right now00:41
Jef91Or the last week really.00:41
Jef91(see my angry thread on t.m.o)00:41
pekujacan anyone tell me why the internet connection settings dialog only allows me to add wifi access points? my 3G settings are wrong, but I can't fix them because of this00:41
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mkargarjef91:what's this problem?it is from repo's?it fix in future?00:42
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Hexagoonpekuja: maybe this can help?
povbot`Bug 5791: Unable to set alternate APN00:44
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mkargarjef91:what's this problem?it is from repo's?it fix in future?00:45
pekujaHexagoon: thanks :-)00:45
pablo2Hello guys, Is it possible change Ip in scratchbox??? i tryed....SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied00:45
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Jef91mkargar def an issues on the repos end - poor servers00:46
pekujaHexagoon: do you know if "GPRS" is the right type for 3G connectsions also?00:47
mkargarjef91:ok!it fixed in future?00:47
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ifreqpekuja: gprs is used if 3G connection is not available00:47
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pekujaifreq: I just mean if the connection type of "GPRS" is right for 3G00:47
pekujaifreq: in the settings00:47
matthew-Hey, is it possible to make MyStory working00:47
matthew-with wordpress when that is on a separate server? not on ?00:48
pekujamatthew-: yeah. you just need to enable xml-rpc00:48
matthew-pekuja: in wordpress you mean. ?00:48
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Jef91mkargar: not sure, hopefully :-/00:49
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pekujamatthew-: yeah00:49
pekujamatthew-: it's in writing settings00:50
pekujaunder "remote publishing"00:50
matthew-pekuja: but then how to add the account to mastory ?00:50
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mkargaranybody using customkernel by jebba?00:51
pekujamatthew-: just enter your blog's URL in "Blog URL" in MaStory00:51
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matthew-lemme try00:53
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pekujamatthew-: MaStory should automatically add /xml-rpc.php to it, but I guess if it doesn't, locate the interface on your blog and enter it manually.00:54
pekujamatthew-: worked just fine for me after just entering the root of my blog00:54
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matthew-pekuja: and what's the 'account' name ?00:57
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pekujamatthew-: your username on your blog00:57
pekujamatthew-: default is "admin"00:57
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matthew-pekuja: and if i've got it on .wordpress.com01:01
matthew-would the account name be same as my username?01:01
matthew-ah writing setting, wat01:02
matthew-pekuja: I dont seem to have 'remote publishing' ;d01:03
Sarguncan I talk directly to the modem in the n900?01:05
Sargunusing AT messages01:05
xorAxAxthe modem talks isi01:06
pekujamatthew-: oh. maybe there's a plugin or something for it. which version of Wordpress are you running?01:06
xorAxAxwhich is an undocumented protocol01:06
matthew-pekuja: newest one01:06
xorAxAxyou can submit hayescommands through pnatd, Sargun01:06
pekujamatthew-: I can find in my admin interface, "Settings" and "Writing" on the left bar01:06
xorAxAxbut interestingly, this doesnt work over the console01:06
pekujamatthew-: click on "Writing", you get to a config page, which should have "Remote Publishing" somewhere on it01:06
Jef91I think my compiler is on an infinite loop somehow...01:06
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Jef91compiling a .deb, c I believe01:07
SargunxorAxAx, how?01:07
xorAxAxSargun: by starting pnatd01:07
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matthew-pekuja: nope ;)01:07
SargunxorAxAx, is there any way I can talk to a socket/character file?01:08
xorAxAxSargun: no01:08
pekujamatthew-: well, I don't know what to say then, I guess :-/01:08
pekujamatthew-: works for me01:09
pekujamatthew-: you could try browsing through the other settings pages and look for XML-RPC01:09
matthew-yeah i am01:09
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SargunxorAxAx, what about setting up socat to talk to pnatd and then putting socat on the other side of the character file?01:09
pekujamatthew-: also, are you sure you're running the latest WordPress? the latest seems to be 2.9.101:09
xorAxAxSargun: might work01:09
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SargunxorAxAx, how exactly do the pnatd's talk to each other?01:11
xorAxAxSargun: to each other? they all talk to the isi interface01:11
xorAxAxwhich is implemented by some phonet daemon01:11
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zerojayxorAxAx: Actually, it's not phonet daemon.01:13
zerojayxorAxAx: It's Matt Damon.01:13
xorAxAxi thought it was tom cruise01:13
zerojaySee, that just doesn't make any sense at all. :/01:14
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KenYoungI have a new Maemo 5 application, which seems to launch correctly.   Everything seems to work, except the launcher won't use my icon.   Are there restrictions on what sort of .png file can be used as an icon?   If there documentation on the icon system somewhere?01:16
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SpeedEvilfile *png01:20
SpeedEvilPackageRate.png: PNG image data, 64 x 64, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced01:20
SpeedEvilWeightJinni.png: PNG image data, 64 x 64, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced01:20
woglindekenyoung read ->
SpeedEvilor that is probably better01:21
KenYoungThanks, SpeedEvil and woglinde !01:21
SpeedEvilThanks for coding.01:21
SpeedEvilWithout apps, the platform is gonna die.01:22
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Jef91Fact. Nokia needs to roll out its "app store" asap if it is ever going to get any rela market for the device01:23
SpeedEvilThe one app I want from nokia is bounce with more levels.01:23
SpeedEviliother than that, I don't care about the store :)01:24
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kamui__SpeedEvil, totally agree01:27
kamui__bounce needs a map pack01:27
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kamui__thats about it01:27
kamui__ovi store is going to get 0 use from me most likely01:28
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kamui__I mean, who needs it.  Unless they release something amazing, like a standalone maps app for minimal $$01:28
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kamui__and I mean that maps app better be insanely good01:28
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philoso anybody buying from dell ?01:29
Jef91I bought my n900 from dell01:30
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Jef91Yea, got it for 530 with takes and shipping01:30
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Kamuiwhat is this takes01:30
Jef91Best deal I could find01:30
philothey have a nice sale right now01:30
Kamuiwas that 530 with rebate01:31
philofor 479 +tax i think01:31
Jef91without rebate01:31
KamuiI got mine for 539.99 + 50$ visa card from nokia01:31
Jef91it had a 50 mail in, but the damn thing back ordered so it was expired by the time I got it01:31
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Kamuimail order expires tomorrow01:31
Kamuimust be postmarked by the 8th and received by the 1501:32
Kamuifor phones purchased from 11/29-12-2901:32
Jef91Really now? *checks his stuff*01:32
Kamuirebate was good for N97, N900, and the xpressmusic01:32
KamuiI think htere might have been one other phone on the list01:32
Jef91got a link to the rebate forum by chance?01:33
Kamuithe pdf was emailed to me with the reciept at purchase01:34
KamuiI don't have it anymore01:34
philoJef91:  ?01:34
Kamuibut im sure you can find it online01:34
Kamuigoogle N900 50$ visa card rebat01:34
philoJef91:  or buy it from dell01:34
Kamuihe already bought one01:35
Kamuithis rebate doesn't matter where you bought it01:35
philoho ok appying for the rebate01:35
Kamuijust have to sign up for the ovi store01:35
Kamuiand send your n900 upc in01:35
Kamuiovistore username and email address goes on the rebate form01:35
SpeedEvil assume us only? :)01:36
KamuiI dont know if it said01:36
Kamuibut the rebate I mailed was to texas01:36
fralsgotta love this bug ive managed to introduce.. somehow it doesnt go away when reverting all changes back to my original build which i *know* works01:36
Kamuiso probably?01:36
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Jef91frals reflash the eMMC01:42
Jef91it should revert any changes01:42
fralsuh, its a bug in my application, nothing else :)01:43
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dmj726_n900Kamui: how is blender?01:49
KamuiIm working on the wrapper01:50
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Kamuihaven't had a successfull build so far with the ppc blender wrapper01:50
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Kamuibut its going01:50
dmj726_n900Check out the post on the durian blog01:50
Kamuiim hoping tomorrow night Ill be done removing all the wince specifics01:50
dmj726_n900New features01:50
Jef91Anyone else get their N900 from dell and have the rebate pdf laying around? I can't find it on their site01:50
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svanheulenI have my update interval setting in the mail program set to 30 mins on my n900 but my account says "last updated 17:10" and it's 17:57 now01:57
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svanheulenanyone else have that problem or just me?01:58
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Jaffasvanheulen: I think it ends up doing it at xx:00 and xx:3001:59
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Jaffasvanheulen: And if there's a sufficiently long enough period without connectivity, it'll do it again at the next scheduled time02:00
svanheulenJaffa: that makes sense, thanks02:01
svanheulenjust turned 18:00 and yup, it updated02:01
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Kamuidmj726_n900, yea, I took blenderpocket source to rip the opengl->gleswrapper from it02:10
Kamuibut theres a lot of winmo specific code attached, that I have to clean up02:10
dmj726_n900I see02:10
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KamuiI emailed the author a couple of times and he explained that the speed achieved in the software rendering was throught the wrapper, the floating point math in the ogl library is a huge huge bottleneck for the ARM arch02:12
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dmj726_n900So you'll be approximating the float math with int math?02:13
KamuiIf I recall our conversation properly02:13
ml-N900music is great for telling when the hardware is sitting bricks02:13
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Kamuihis wrapper precision to 3 dec02:14
dmj726_n900Should be good enough in most cases02:14
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KamuiI think so, it works very very well with blenderpocket02:15
dmj726_n900You have a wince device?02:15
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dmj726_n900N900 is much faster than most wince devices02:17
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pupnikgreat /lastlog http again02:17
Kamuidmj726_n900, yea, I still have my Htc Exec02:17
KamuiI might still have an ipaq 2215 lying around too02:18
Kamuibut I sold all the others I've had since02:18
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ml-N900blender pocket ran ok on my Axim X302:18
ml-N900useless, but it worked02:18
KamuiI keep the exec because I originally paid almost 900 for it, and its not worth a fraction of that today, plus spec wise its still completely relevant :)02:18
dmj726_n900Last time i tried wince, it was torturing me with scrollbars02:18
Kamui624mhz xscale with 3.5" vga display convertible form factor02:19
KamuiI loved that thing when I carried it02:19
Kamuisounds like most non hildonized gtk apps ;)02:19
Kamuiforcing me to pull out the stylus02:19
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dmj726_n900It wasn't a touchscreen02:20
svanheulenI loved my HTC Touch Pro. Then I got this N900 and relized win mobile blows so hard.02:20
pupnikice to hear02:20
dmj726_n900I had to use the scrollbar on a ball thingy.02:21
Jef91svanheulen: haha fact. Win-mobile is one of the only things worse than normal windows02:22
svanheulenthe thing that makes no sense to me at all is that they've had 4 version of win mobile (2003, 5, 6, 6.5) and they still don't have a built in screen lock while your in call02:22
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svanheuleni loved accidently texting people while i was on the phone02:23
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svanheulenmost of the htc ones have a program pre-installed that locks it now but i still don't see why that's not part of the os02:24
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dmj726_n900Winmo has done nothing for 2 years, according to steve ballmer02:25
Kamuimost winmo phones didn't have a proxy sensor02:25
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Kamuihowever, it was built into wm5 for the screen to turn off during the call02:26
SpeedEvilthat doesn't stop a lock when you're actually using it as a pohone02:26
Kamuiyea, while the screen is off the touchscreen is not responsive02:26
Kamuiunless you press a physical button02:26
Kamuiat least that was the case on the exec's wm5 rom, and the tilts roms02:26
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svanheulenyeah my touch pro would turn the screen off in call *sometimes*02:28
svanheulennot sure what made it happen or not02:29
svanheulenmy dad had one from alltel though that didn't do it ever02:29
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GeneralAntillestigert, when's somebody going to make a laser penguins pano?02:37
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pupnikahh that is loopback02:50
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Gadgetoid_mbp   (quality fail, still processing)02:53
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TomaszDpeople seem to have this "mbp" tag next to their nicknamesoh it's so everybody else knows which computers they are using?02:54
Gadgetoid_mbpIt's so I know which me is which02:54 can't tell?02:54
Gadgetoid_mbpBut hey, I like you to know that I use a Mac... and _hasABigPenis just doesn't fit02:54
TomaszDoh, right.02:54
Gadgetoid_mbpNope, and I don't use BNC02:54
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TomaszDgood show02:55
SpeedEvilI decommissioned my last BNC network segment a couple of years back at home.02:55
SpeedEvilmainly due to it being a bastard to replace.02:56
SpeedEvilI have a 1m thick internal wall.02:56
SpeedEvilwifi doesn't work well02:56
corecode_had too many bricks?02:56
SpeedEvilNo - it's a ~1700s linen weavers cottage02:57
Gadgetoid_mbpToo much concrete I'd wager, in his underground, bomb-proof bunker02:57
Gadgetoid_mbpSpeedEvil: and I thought victorian/edwardian era houses were bad enough02:57
SpeedEvilthe wall was a double fireplace.02:57
SpeedEvilIt's 60cm of stone - 5cm of air - and plasterboard.02:57
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SpeedEvilIt's fucking cold.02:58
SpeedEvilHence I'm trying to insulate it - slowly.02:58
Gadgetoid_mbpIn my experience, those kind of walls do pretty well without insulation02:59
Gadgetoid_mbpBut I'm guessing the chimney is still there in some way?02:59
SpeedEvilumm - yes - if you heat it lots.02:59
SpeedEvilBut the insulation equivalence is - IIRC - 4mm of polystyrene insulation.02:59
SpeedEvilYes it has lots of thermal mass.03:00
* VDVsx wonders what should be the name tag for a Sony vaio :p03:00
SpeedEvilbut that doesn't help at all if you've got 4 weeks at -6C.03:00
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SpeedEvilCurrently it takes ~15KW to maintain temp at 20C. (though I'm at the moment not heating due to financial issues)03:01
SpeedEvilInsulating floor and walls properly will take that to around 1.03:01
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fralsVDVsx: my friend had a vaio, it was always refered to as "sexylaptop"03:02
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fralsotoh that was because the ad for it said "the first sexy laptop" or something silly :D03:03
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* VDVsx has a broken vaio -> no battery, the wifi button only works sometimes (needs a lot of pressure), left mouse is also broken and the drive works only sometimes :D03:04
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* SpeedEvil has a broken thinkpad that he needs to call IBM about in the morning03:04
VDVsxI've a new one that I won in a programming contest, but I prefer this broken one :p03:04
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* frals ponders if its worth trying to aggregate his blog for a single post about fMMS on planet-maemo03:05
svanheulenanyone know if there's a way to sort the bookmarks on the n900 by name instead of last use?03:06
VDVsxfrals, of course, as long you don't spam the planet later :p03:06
Jef91lol, it always surprises me some when my N900 gets a phone call...03:07
Jef91its like "oh yea, it does that too"03:07
lcukVDVsx, when did you find time to win a programming contest03:07
Gadgetoid_mbpHmm, perchance I should sleep now03:07
VDVsxlcuk, I always have time for that kind of things :p03:08
VDVsxlcuk, I missed the contest this year, because of BCN03:08
lcukmmmm bacon03:09
GeneralAntillesand they totally fixed the raffle at BCN03:09
lcukwho won?03:09
* lcuk was flying03:09
GeneralAntilles"When's the raffle?"03:09
GeneralAntilles"Oh, we already had it. We won."03:09
GeneralAntilleslcuk, raffle was on Saturday.03:09
lcukthen, yeah i agree lol03:10
* VDVsx steals lcuk's bacon and feeds lcuk's dog03:10
* lcuk looks around for a dog03:10
lcukcats try to eat mah bacon03:10
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, was a ghost raffle03:10
lcukjacob decided to leave the fridge open one night03:11
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lcukand they helped themselves to a whole pack03:11
VDVsxcats like bacon weird03:11
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pupniklol Flandry i remember when the uqm devs implemented vcontrol, and i hated it03:11
fralscats eat anything03:11
fralsexcept for kebab ive noticed..03:11
lcukits the source03:11
SpeedEvilMy cat was fed exclusively dogfood chub from Lidl.03:11
SpeedEvilIt was cheap.03:12
lcukmy cats turn nose up at mild source03:12
lcukbut if its hot they eat it03:12
pupniknote "was"03:12
SpeedEvilTill they died.03:12
* VDVsx remembers south park specials, where,south park writers feed a pig with bacon03:12
SpeedEvilthen I no longer bought it.03:12
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VDVsxSpeedEvil, Lidl03:12
lcukVDVsx, plenty of animals are cannibalistic03:12
VDVsxa few days ago Spanish police discovered 100kg of cocaine in a box of bananas at Lidl :P03:13
pupnikThat is a failure of some Lidl employee03:14
lcukyou can bet all the asbo owning people will now buy more bananas than ever before03:14
ifreqis it possible to run openvpn with only one interface03:14
SpeedEvilVDVsx: that's a pretty good special offer.03:15
ifreqand is it better todo with routing or bridge?03:15
ifreqerr openvpnd03:15
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GeneralAntillesVDVsx, Bakin' Bacon with Macon? ;)03:15
GeneralAntillesWas on the DVDs03:15
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, yes ;)03:15
VDVsxbefore each episode03:16
lcukMavis Beacon teaching bacon weaving03:16
GeneralAntillesScrew you, Mavis!03:16
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, lcuk
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* VDVsx goes read TMO03:21
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* frals tries to figure out how to add avatar to account03:22
lcuk[shift] + [ctrl] + p == screenshot isnt it03:22
GeneralAntilles love it03:23
lcukfrals, why do you want to add a movie to your account?03:23
fralslcuk: yeah03:23
fralslcuk: ;P03:23
SpeedEvillcuk: I pondered doing that joke.03:24
SpeedEvillcuk: I decided it was a bit weak.03:24
lcuki didnt know it was a joke03:25
lcukGeneralAntilles, omg03:25
lcukthey can get a screenshot at least03:25
lcukgod forbid the guys ever pm each other03:25
lcukor +s the chan or whatever ;)03:25
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VDVsxGeneralAntilles, but we have logs :p03:27
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pupnikBugtracker lets me select any operating system but maemo03:28
pupnikI choose windows server 200303:29
pupnikversion is shown as v1.0 v1.1 although project is ver 0.2.103:30
pupniki choose 1.003:30
pupnikHardware hmm.  Well i always wish i had a SGI03:30
pupnikComponent?  Wow didn't know jamaendo had 'cogs'03:31
pupnikcool, 'software a'03:31
SpeedEvilI thinkI asked this before.03:32
SpeedEvilHow do I get a simple alphebetical list of all projects with released software on garage03:33
krigpupnik: haven't figured out how to control that thing yet :D03:33
pupnikpackage maintainer has to configure all that stuff?03:35
krigseems so..03:35 knows all that already03:37
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pupnikbased on where the package was uploaded03:37
pupnikno wonder searches fail constantly03:37
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pupnikobviously we are looking at something made to be very general and flexible03:38
lcukpupnik, NO, IT DOESNT KNOW ANYTHING03:38
pupnikthen it's stupid03:39
lcukpackage maintainer must configure versions and components and stuff03:39
lcuknot really03:39
* krig <- lazy03:39
krigwill fix03:40
pupniki'm looking at a process that wastes human lifetime03:40
lcukshut irc then03:41
dnaumovI wonder if any further improvements are planned for drnoknes03:41
SpeedEvilsoftware upgrades - throgugh the package manager - need changelogs03:41
dnaumovwould be really great if you could bind keys to act like "right-up" or "down-left"03:42
dnaumovkinda hard to press 2 buttons at once on the n900 :)03:42
pupnikdnaumov, if you look at the keyboard and ignore the symbols, you will see two 8-way dpads03:42
pupniksolution is to allow user to map keys to diagonals in-game03:43
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pupnikno, in irc i submitted my bugreport to author with no time wasted03:45
lcukit doesnt scale though03:45
lcukif the author had 50 people submitting bug reports03:45
lcukthey would quickly get muddled up and lost03:46
pupnik"file a bug report" is maemo-talk for "get lost"03:47
lcuka filed bug report has a #, a # can be used to indicate tangible work.   "chatting on irc" is more difficult to calculate03:48
lcukand besides pupnik it very likely does mean get lost, the author might be working on something someone else asked first :p03:49
GeneralAntillespupnik, GForge is the suck.03:50
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pupnikall needed context for a bug report is known to when a package is uploaded03:53
pupnikanything else is autistic timewaste03:53
lcukno way, i can have 2 different packages onroute03:53
GeneralAntillespupnik, my personal goal is to shut down the Garage tracker anyway.03:54
lcuki do agree about versions03:54
GeneralAntillesIt's useless and ungainly.03:54
GeneralAntillesNo point at all in putting any effort towards it.03:54
pupnikit could be good for a project with 3+ contributors03:54
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pupnikbut there are few, if ANY, such projects03:54
pupnikso yes03:55
krigi am probably going to move dev and bugtracker to github instead. had issues with the repo at garage too03:56
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jebbakrig: lots of maemo projects on gitorious.org03:57
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krigi already have 17 projects on github so that'd be why03:58
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TonzasDoes anyone know that whether it is possible at n900 to transfer pictures to own site by using ftp? Maybe I could do it by using command line but isn't there any program that could do it? :o04:02
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Caesiumis there some logic behind the ordering of the news items on :)04:06
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Tonzaspupnik: ah ok, ty04:11
microliththe gcc packages for the N900 aren't optified04:11
microlithor am I reading the output of -c wrong04:12
SpeedEvilgcc packages?04:13
pupniksdk stuff isn't optified yes04:13
microlithSpeedEvil: yeah, packages for gcc, gdb, etc. built for ARM04:14
SpeedEvilSDK repo doesn't work for me.04:14
SpeedEvilI should really work out why that is.04:14
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Kamui |04:19
Kamui  | Click to read 1558 more words04:19
Kamuidamn, my bad, that was supposed to be 1 line04:20
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vpolis there ability to auto-align desktop icons?04:23
SpeedEvilthat would be nice04:24
Jef91its like "oh yea, it does that too"04:24
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Jef91the fact that they dont auto line up kills my mild ocd04:24
Tonzas set this to your background and use it to align icons :D04:27
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SpeedEvilthat reminds me of something04:28
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vpolwhat twitter client do you use?04:34
KenYoungSpeedEvil and woglinde: It turns out what was preventing my icon from working was not a problem with the icon itself, but rather the existence of an icon cache.   Clearing the cache fixed the problem.04:35
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inzI needs faster intternets, sbox+SDK take too long to dl04:37
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Proteouswho doesn't need faster internets04:49
auenfmy phone has faster internet than my computer, does that count?04:50
Proteousthat's sad04:50
ProteousJust thought I'd let all of you know, nokia will be putting out a new much cooler phone/tablet in 3 weeks because I am purchasing a n900 today04:51
auenfi've gotta work out if the n900 will pair to my car before i order one04:52
pupnikinz, going the scratchbox route now?  what are your current projects/areas-of-interest?04:52
inzpupnik, I want sgt-puzzles on my N900 =)04:55
pupniksimon tantham's puzzle collection was in -devel afaik, but none tested here04:56
pupniknice way to icon-bomb your launcher04:56
inzoh, it is; damn04:57
inzwell, am doing a launcher anyway04:57
inzthe launcher part is already done; now just need to port it to maemo.04:57
inzUpdated with fremantle stuffs.04:58
inzSeem to work.04:58
inzmgdemin said pretty please, it only took me 3 months =)04:59
pupniknice, i was just pondering going that route on new box04:59
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pupnikhow about removing those puzzles that suck on tablets without more work04:59
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pupnikthat would be a service04:59
inzI could concider that.04:59
inzBut I'll start by getting it to woik05:00
inzThe latest version has some new games even05:00
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pupnikinz mention ia32-only on blog  404  Not Found05:17
inzpupnik, rather should mention
* microlith activates pgup/pgdn/home/end on his arrow keys, and del on his backspace key05:20
pupnikalso keypad enter on return would be nice05:21
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microlithediting the keymap05:25
microlithin /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-5105:26
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Jef91hey all06:14
Jef91Does the n900 record video?06:15
Proteousonly if you ask it nice though06:16
Proteousotherwise it just kicks you in the shins06:16
ProteousI don't know if you've ever been kicked in the shins by an internet tablet before... it hurts06:16
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Jef91lol, how do I toggle the camera between picture and video?06:17
Lubomirdid someone install any other os then maemo on the n900?06:17
LinuxCodeLubomir, yes06:17
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LinuxCodesomebody even put Fedora Arm on their N90006:17
LinuxCodelacks a lot of features mind06:18
Lubomiri cant find much informations06:18
LinuxCodecheck that06:18
Lubomirah, thanks06:18
Lubomirit is booting up as a own kernel. i know from android that you can run a second os on the running one06:19
Lubomircan i use also maemo-5 git/svn?06:19
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Lubomirlike compiling it from source and putting it on06:19
Lubomirand is it possible to get usb-host working?06:22
Lubomirto get possible to use an usb-stick on the road with smal self build 5v power06:22
Lubomiris it possible to get the wireless card into monitor mode (iwconfig <iface> mode monitor)?06:23
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Lubomirah, and is it possible to get ad-hoc + dhcp running (or maybe also full ap-mode?) to get the n900 as wlan-router?06:27
Jef91Lubomir there is a thread on the boards trying to get the n900 working as a wireless router06:28
inz \o/ finally06:35
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inzGuess I should sleep a bit; 'tis almost 7am06:42
inzI had forgotten how fun it is to code for Maemo; better forget quickly again, I have not the time.06:42
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Jef91Whats exciting in Maemo land this evening?06:54
pupnikinz's blog on how to build for maemo without a sbox chroot?  or the sgt puzzles07:00
pupnik   also exciting07:00
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AakashPatelanyone wanna buy a used n900? :P07:20
AakashPatelmint condition07:20
Jef91AakashPatel: Asking price, and why selling?07:21
AakashPateland i dont use it07:21
AakashPatelso i dont really wanna keep it07:21
pupnik06:22 [freenode] -!-  channels : #android-dev @#android-offtopic #xceleo #android-root #mer #maemo  #android07:22
AakashPatelpupnik: im everywehre :)07:22
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pupnikUnlocked, locked?07:23
Jef91pupnik aren't the n900s only unlocked?07:23
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svanheulenAnyone else having problems with all their contacts getting deleted every so often when syncing mail for exchange?07:27
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Jef91is there an app for the n900 that will pull down my gmail?07:31
AakashPatelJef91: Juse use the email app with IMAP?07:32
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svanheulenonly problem with the email app and imap is that it wont delete things from the server if you delete them on the device07:38
AakashPatelit does for me lol07:39
svanheulenthat's been fixed for the new firmware though when it comes out07:39
Jef91anyone know if I run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc" if I can pass an argument into the ./configure it runs?07:39
rohanpmJef91: I think only if debian/rules is explicitly coded to allow it07:41
Jef91hrm kk07:41
Jef91I might just side step it and use checkinstall to make the .deb then07:41
pupnikcan you log what works and what doesn't Jef91 ?07:42
Jef91What do you mean pupnik?07:42
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Jef91This is really odd07:45
Jef91after dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc errors out07:45
Jef91if I run it a second time07:45
Jef91it enters a loop07:45
Jef91of checking configure07:45
Jef91but it never makes it to compiling again07:45
jzaI change my UID and I start getting a lot of permission and ownership issues07:46
jzaon my home folder07:46
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Jef91Yea that will happen07:47
jzais there a way I can fix this, I got most of my permissions on my user and group, but the UID is looking for is different from the one I have now07:47
Jef91run a "chown user -R /home/user"07:47
Jef91run that as root07:47
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jzaJef91: I did that, but still doesnt work07:47
Jef91As root?07:47
Jef91That should do it...07:48
Jef91and di you have the -R?07:48
jzaJef91: yes, and it does show up as the user... but the error is that still looks to the previous UID from the user07:48
jzawhat I did is that I change the UID07:48
jzathe files always belong to the user, but I change the UID of the user to 500 and problems started even if it always belonged to user07:49
Jef91Why did you change it may I ask?07:50
jzabecause my external harddrive had 50007:50
jzanow I can write on my external harddrive but I cant on my home... I didnt imagine something like this will happened07:51
jzabecause it was the same user nevertheless07:51
Jef91the name is meaning less07:54
Jef91why not just chown the harddrive?...07:54
Jef91Also may I inquire what kind of cable to use to hook an external HDD into your N900?07:54
jzaJef91: I am not sure that will help me right now07:54
Jef91jza - just change ur UID back to what it was before?07:54
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jzacant I reset the UID of my home to 500?07:55
jzashould I chown as 500 instead of user?07:55
Jef91oh hrm, yes thats an idea07:55
Jef91I've never used anything other than a user name before07:56
pupnikjef91 i'd appreciate if other people who are new to maemo/extras uploading can journal / blog their experience07:56
jzapupnik: I can blog about that, however I wonder if extras is the only repo, I found youtube videos showing a lot of software that I dont see avialable on my repo of extras.07:57
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pupnikjza, some people upload stuff to their homepage instead07:57
Jef91pupnik Could do that, my tech blog has been a bit bare of late anyways07:57
jzapupnik: for exame QuakeArena07:58
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pupnik< inz>   for simon tantham puzzle collection07:58
Jef91pupnik - is that stable?07:58
pupnikjust built a few hours ago07:58
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pupniki wouldn't install things like this if I needed the n900 for work07:59
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pupnikdifferent use cases.  gooood morning ali12341 :D07:59
* Jef91 crosses his fingers that Abiword actually compiles this time around08:00
ali12341i'm beginning to think all the people who says pulse audio is rubbish are right08:00
Jef91ali12341: I kinda like pulse.08:01
pupnikif you/we can make something better....08:01
pupnikbut i doubt it08:01
Jef91I just wish Wine would add support for it08:01
Jef91by default08:01
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ali12341pulse is good but it's ALSA "emulation" is rubbish08:02
ali12341that's why so many people say to go back to ALSA08:02
Jef91skype runs on the n900 right?08:05
jzaanyone with experience on upgrading the firmware08:05
jzaI find a part that confuse me on step 4 and 508:05
* Jef91 waves08:05
Jef91What OS are you using on the PC?08:05
jzaMandriva Linux08:05
jzaI use the .tar.gz08:06
Jef91very good.08:06
Jef91Fully power off the phone08:06
jzaI put the flasher command and get the USB not found08:06
Jef91fully power off the phone and then attach it via USB08:06
Jef91run the flasher08:06
Jef91then it will give you a "looking for device" un plug and replug the phone at that point08:06
jzawell then the flasher exit08:07
jzaon me08:07
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jzaand when I run the command again, I cant reach the N900 anymore08:07
jzasomething like serialized USB08:07
trustill no news on the 1.1 update?08:07
pupniki hear i still cant use n900 with operator requiring * and # characters in 1.108:08
arachnistyou mean USSD?08:08
Jef91huh not sure jza08:09
pupniki just know i have to dial those symbols08:09
Jef91I used the .deb installer and it just worked for me. Maybe its an issues with the tar.gz package?08:09
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jzaJef91: can you paste me the command line here I need to put?08:11
jzaI just need to check something08:11
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Jef91sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F RX*.bin -f -R08:13
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jzathis is what I get rror claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy08:15
jzafunny enought without the 'u' it seems to work08:15
GeneralAntillesjza, sudo?08:15
pupnikdevice must be off when connecting08:15
GeneralAntillesVMWare not claiming USB interfaces?08:15
jzaGeneralAntilles: is not about sudo is about USB interface08:16
pupnikit seems jza has the device mounted08:16
GeneralAntillesjza, did you turn the device off before you plugged in USB?08:16
jzano is not mounted the device is off08:16
Jef91Anyone with exp compiling from source I'm taking suggestions on this issue -
pupnikthe compiler can not find where those things are defined08:19
jzaok here is how it is... when I have the device on off, the PC detects it when I have the device with the 'u' key holding the PC doesnt.08:20
Jef91pupnik how do I point it in the right direction?08:20
jzawhen I run the flasher on the Off device I get the message "USB device found found at bus 002, device address 023.08:20
jzaError claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy08:20
pupniki think the "hold u key" advice is wrong08:20
pupniki flashed without doing that08:21
pupnikGeneralAntilles: ?08:21
GeneralAntillespupnik, same as Home key on 770/N8x008:21
jzapupnik: when I tried to plug it back with the U key I get this: Unable to enumerate USB devices!08:21
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jzaok there most be something wrong here08:23
Jef91God I wish Maemo had libc6 2.7.108:23
pupniktseems like weirdness with your pc but i dunno08:23
jzahere is the steps again: 1. turn off device 2. plug device 3. execute flasher get the  message "Suitable  USB device not found. waiting"08:24
jza4 unplugg N900 hold 'u' key. 5. plug back in... then get "USB device found found at bus 002, device address 023.08:25
jzaError claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy "08:25
pupnikyou run flasher as root?  some other process must be interfering08:25
pupnikJef91: seen this?
Jef91does that run on Maemo 5?08:27
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Jef91pupnik ^08:28
jzawhen was this firmware released?08:30
pupnikbut check the dependencies - not an easy set of things to build.  contact08:31
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pupnikthomas schmidt maybe08:32
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Jef91Ahh off to sleep. Hopefully I will have 8 quiet hours at my deskjob to tomorrow to work on building packages08:42
Jef91Peace all.08:42
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rkcHi.. is there anybody who can clarify my doubts on licensing?09:07
luke-jrI can, but I'm unpopular for doing so.09:08
luke-jrif you mean licensing your own stuff tho, hire a lawyer :)09:08
luke-jrso what needs clarifying exactly?09:10
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rkcjust tell me.. can I develop a software for maemo platform using the available sdk's and tools here and sell it?09:10
luke-jrrkc: yes*09:11
rkcbut what si the benefit for nokia for providing sdk's and tools?09:12
pekujarkc: huh?09:12
luke-jrrkc: they think it improves their platform09:12
pekujarkc: what's the benefit for Microsoft for providing SDK's and tools for Windows?09:12
luke-jrmore apps = more customer demand09:12
luke-jrpekuja: Microsoft sells it09:12
luke-jrrkc: note that the free software community strongly believes in a right to sell software09:13
pekujaluke-jr: yeah they also sell tools, but most of the SDK's can be used with 3rd party tools09:13
luke-jrpekuja: not WinCE AFAIK09:13
pekujaluke-jr: do they? I thought they believed in a right to sell services09:13
luke-jrpekuja: nobody is stopping services either :)09:14
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pekujaluke-jr: well ok then. anyways I was just making the point that Microsoft provides developers with some free SDK's so that they would make Microsoft's platform better09:14
pekujaluke-jr: well I mean, you can't really sell free software09:14
luke-jrpekuja: the LGPL and GPL specifically prevent any terms forbidding sale09:14
pekujaluke-jr: I thought FSF's stance was that you don't sell the software itself09:14
luke-jrpekuja: wrong09:14
luke-jryou can sell free software09:15
luke-jrFSF recommends selling it at the highest reasonable price09:15
luke-jr"Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can."09:15
pekujaah, right, yes09:15
rkcif u develop a software using some modules which has GPL license, can u still sell them??09:15
luke-jrrkc: yes, but the whole software must be GPL licensed09:16
pekujayou can sell software, but I would really call it a service, and not actually selling the software09:16
luke-jrrkc: eg, you must include the code and give your purchasers the same rights09:16
pekujabecause your software will be available from other sources if it's free09:16
luke-jrrkc: and make them aware of their rights09:16
luke-jrpekuja: not necessarily09:16
pekujawell you can't really prevent it09:16
rkcso.. types of license just says what are the things or rights to be included.. selling is completely different from licenses.. is that right__09:16
pekujarkc: yeah, basically09:17
luke-jrrkc: right.09:17
rkcthat means.. u can almost sell all your work with proper licensing terms..09:17
luke-jrrkc: just be aware that the rights your customers inherit include the right to resell copies of their own09:17
pekujarkc: but basically when you sell the software to someone, you need to give them the right to take that software and sell it themselves, or put it on a website somewhere09:17
rkcand ofcourse follwoing teh terms09:17
luke-jror post it gratis, that too09:17
luke-jrrkc: right.09:18
rkcgreat guys..09:18
luke-jrrkc: if you want to forbid verbatim copying, you can even include trademarked artwork09:18
luke-jrthen a copy must provide its own replacement09:18
rkcthat looks little highlevel.. rightnow i am clarified with some basic stuff..09:18
pekujathat sort of thing can actually work09:18
rkcthanks to both of u09:18
pekujalike selling a computer game without any content09:19
rkcg2g of a work..09:19
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rkcsigning off09:19
luke-jrGPL also permits (or rather, doesn't forbid) putting in code to require a serial number or such. then someone would need to actually edit the code and recompile it :)09:19
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luke-jrrkc: k, ttyl09:19
pekujaI mean, umm... selling it with content, with the code being free, but the content being paid-for09:19
luke-jrpekuja: both would be paid for :p09:19
luke-jrbut the content would be non-free09:20
pekujawell yeah, but you could get the code for free09:20
pekujaI mean, ok09:20
luke-jrthat is different from trademarked logos09:20
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tank-manquake1 is like that, the engine is free but the levels/textures aren't09:20
tank-manduke3d also09:20
pekujait wasn't like that when it was actually popular though09:20
pekujabut id's pretty nice about that09:20
luke-jrwho said quake1 isn't popular?09:20
pekujaonce they're done with the engine, they give it away09:21
pekujaluke-jr: I think I just did.09:21
luke-jrI play Quake1!09:21
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pekujaluke-jr: I think "popular" necessitates more people than one :-P09:21
pekujait's not as popular as some of the bigger games these days09:21
pekujaQuake is fun though09:21
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* [Tycho] plays Quake1 too, so it's more people than one :)09:35
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bigsquidHi, I plugged my device into PC Suite for the first time, and noticed there were no folders there (like the ones in MyDocs). Because this was the first time, I thought this was normal. I copied over 2 .avi divx files, and after a while, i browsed the memory program and noticed it was using up the "space for installable applications". I couldnt see the 27gb partition. So I copied the movie files succesfully. But then I could not f09:42
Stskeepsyou got cut off09:42
bigsquidNow, my "space for installable applications" only shows 500mb09:42
Stskeepssplit into sentences <  512 chars09:42
bigsquidthe files just disappeared, i cant find them using "find" command09:43
bigsquidbut its using up like 1.3gb of memory in /home09:43
bigsquidi reflashed my device twice using nokia software updater09:43
bigsquidstill shows 500mb free for "installable applications" drive09:44
rkchi guys.. i am using windows vista as host and maemo virtual image (ubuntu) as a guest09:44
rkci want to share some folders from windows to guest os09:44
rkcbut when i try this using vm->settings->share folders, the shared folders is disabled09:44
rkccan anyone help on this?09:44
Corsacrkc: I think you need to enable them in vmware general settings09:45
bigsquidmy guess is that these NTFS .avi files were saved onto /home and now i cant see them in ext3 and erase them09:45
[Tycho]I don't think that this is possible :)09:46
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RST38hFull Body Scanners Violate Child Porn Laws09:48
RST38hOne group of bureaucrats violated another group of bureaucrats. Fun!09:49
tybolltRST38h: it is rather amusing09:50
tybolltalso this constant iterating of "we are at war w/ $GROUP_OF_PEOPLE" :)09:50
[Tycho]With children and passengers ?09:51
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RST38hJust "people"09:51
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lucentany ideas why my N900 loses the EDGE connection after a day of being up and then it won't reconnect?09:52
lucentafter a power down, power up cycle it will connect without inccident09:52
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lucentI've noticed this as a trend over a weeks' use09:52
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bigsquidwould it mess my device to rm /home10:01
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bigsquidis there a way to run fsck10:02
tybolltyes ... you run ... fsck10:03
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ShadowJKoh wow, someone on a .fi forum saying nokia refused to fix his broken microusb port10:04
tybollthmm yeah10:04
pupnik_did he break it?10:05
lucentis microUSB durability a widespread issue?10:05
oniondamn I got scared just.. a quite big blue static discharge when I plugged in the USB cable.. everything seems to be ok still10:05
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lucentI've heard that the developers who received pre-production N900 units experienced microUSB ports breaking loose of the solder joints10:06
Wolfieonion: it's probably just the dry air. All my electric devices spark when I plug them in10:06
lucentso the device wouldn't charge and no development could be done10:06
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Wolfie(well, not my N900 yet, but all wall-pluggable thingies)10:06
tybolltAccording to my experience it is really a lottery... if the guys at the service centre have a bad day (fight w/ the missus, sand up their vag - whatever) you may just get the finger even if it is really nokia's fault HOWEVER - catch them on a good day when missus porked them that morning etc - they'll happily go out of their way to fix even things that aren't their concern.10:06
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pupnik_i suspect most of these sob stories are from people who broke theirs10:07
lucentpupnik_: my question is whether the pre-production units differ from the production units in respect to the microUSB port and durability issue10:07
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lucentcool to hear that opinion, tybollt10:08
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pupnik_i stumbled over cable walking fast and sent the thing flying.  (sorry!) and now the charging contact is somewhat fiddly10:09
pupnik_really nasty forces on the connector10:09
pupnik_and it still works10:09
* lucent ...10:09
lucentmicroUSB is designed for more insertions than miniUSB, increasing durability10:10
tybolltlucent: ie, in my experience these guys are "human" and so they will fail just as much as the average ;()10:10
tybolltlucent: that is funny10:11
lucentthis has ill to no effect if the microUSB is not attached with sufficient design considerations10:11
tybolltI find mini a lot less agravating to poke in there10:11
tybolltthe micro... damn that is fiddly shit10:11
pupnik_it would be nicest if the connector had a flat cable connecting to board10:12
lucentjust saying it like it is10:12
tybolltwhat's w/ the little teeth on the micro connector?10:12
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tybolltthe nokia original micro cable has these two prongs or teeth on them effectively securing the cable to the device however the micro cable I got at the local HW Shop does not have those two prongs/teeth10:13
lucentrandom USB to microUSB cable I found cleaning up a movie theater where I work has the teeth10:14
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tybollthmm yeah10:14
lucentmy guess is the cable you got at the shop is a cheap knockoff cable10:14
tybolltbugger then I got a cheap POS cable then10:14
lucentnot intending to insult your purchasing decisions there btw10:14
tybolltlucent: no shit :D10:14
tybolltcheap knockoff it is10:14
tybolltand really10:14
tybolltit works olrite anyway10:15
lucentthe microUSB end of things is near impossible to bend by stepping on with a boot10:15
lucentregular USB and miniUSB both got fucked beyond recognition in my own tests with a steel shank bot and much jumping up and down10:16
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lucentif only I had a steel shank robot, that would be blissful.10:16
tybolltand I have to say I really like the entire idea of usb charging seeing as I already had like five or so wallsocket-to-usb chargers and a metric fsckload of usb extender cables... so ... free chargers galore, no more rushing to the store to get extra chargers10:16
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lucenttybollt: in case you were not already aware though, the reason for microUSB is that miniUSB specification does NOT allow for the current needed to fast charge a Lithium Polymer (LiPo) battery pack10:17
tybolltso that is it then?10:18
lucentthat is it.10:18
tybolltlucent: thanks for explaining10:18
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lucentyou can plug (with an adapter) to USB-A or miniUSB, but it will charge more slowly10:18
tybolltI did raise an eyebrow over it seeing as (IIRC) a bunch of otehr nookias had the mini10:19
ali1234pupnik_: i know why pulseaudio and emulators run so bad now10:19
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pupnik_tell tell10:19
pupnik_digital eq?10:19
ali1234pulseaudio maintains an audio sink for each app10:19
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ali1234including alsa apps10:19
ali1234if you underrun the buffer on the alsa sink10:19
pupnik_sounds ok so far?10:20
ali1234pulse deletes its info about the sink10:20
* lucent listens up10:20
tybolltlucent: though I'd really like to test that10:20
lucentali1234: for real?10:20
ali1234when you recover the alsa stream (clear XRUN condition) pulse creates a NEW sink10:20
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ali1234the massive amounts of context switching this involves destroys system performance10:20
tybolltlucent: I have these wallsocket -> USB A chargers10:20
ali1234so if you are running an emulator that can't quite keep up with sound10:20
tybolltlucent:  I then hook a two-three meter extender A male to A female on it10:21
ali1234 then pulse will make sure to steal 50% CPU time from you creating and destroying sinks10:21
pupnik_ali1234: +++++10:21
lucentali1234: thanks for the reconnisance10:21
ali1234so, to make emulators run good, make sure you NEVER underrun the buffer, even if it means writting zeros into it if you can't keep up10:21
tybolltlucent: and on that I hook a A male to micro10:21
tybolltthat works really well for me though10:22
lucenttybollt: well there's some resistors and stuff involved to get the charger and (I think more importantly) the load a.k.a. N900 to draw applicable currents10:22
ali1234and i discovered this because emulators on ubuntu on my new quad core phenom II system do exactly the same damn thing10:22
tybolltthough I haven't measured that amp10:22
ali1234(see my youtube channel for the video)10:22
lucentali1234: very nice informations thank you10:22
lucentI'm not a developer for this platform but I really value your input10:23
lucentali1234: any thought as to a solution?10:23
ali1234lucent: yeah, just make sure the buffer is always filled10:24
lucentthat sounds like a hack though kind of10:24
ali1234it is10:24
ali1234you'll have to implement interpolated sound10:24
ali1234or just write zeros which is effectively what happens if you let it underrun, anyway10:25
pupnik_you dance good ali1234
lucentali1234: know of an upstream bug for this?10:25
ali1234lucent: i don't think it is a bug10:26
ali1234it's probably considered a feature10:26
lucentreally all that context switching and stuff should be a performance bug10:26
ali1234i dunno, i'm still investigating10:26
ali1234i will report it upstream if it hasn't been, and see what they say10:27
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lucentpupnik_: that's funny, I have my doubts it's the same10:31
konttori_nokiaHow do I propose a devel package to testing? (in extras)10:32
lucentkonttori_nokia: I don't know, and I have not seen too many developers here awake who might know the answer10:33
konttori_nokiaok, found it:
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tybolltdo we have an MFE expert around?10:34
tybolltcan you coerce MFE to not check other mail folders than inbox?10:35
NMZkonttori_nokia: it's in the wiki:
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konttori_nokiaNMZ, thanks10:35
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pupnik_maybe someone has written a foss whiz-bang mfe client10:36
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tybolltpupnik_: do tell10:40
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pupnik_my skills are more geared to eliminating the microsoft footprint in corporations10:42
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tybollt'sif one had a choice? :)10:43
mstanybody got a recommendation for a stowaway keyboard to use with the n900?10:43
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Gadgetoid_mbpmst: since the N900 works about as well with a keyboard as a toaster does with gasoline soaked rags... no10:58
mstGadgetoid_mbp: I only care if xterm works10:58
Gadgetoid_mbpmst: it's not even functional enough for that, imo10:59
mster, link to read up on this?10:59
Gadgetoid_mbpUnless your terminal uses involves, and only involves, the letter a through z, in lowercase only10:59
mstI thought the bluez stack would handle this part10:59
mstwith a little beating of the kernel with a shovel11:00
Gadgetoid_mbpNobody has yet fixed it, to my knowledge, but it must be fixable11:00
Gadgetoid_mbpIt treats an external keyboard like the built-in one, to catastrophic effect... also it doesn't get properly captured by games- boo!11:01
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mstbut the built in one can produce other keys11:02
mstoh gods11:02
mstyou mean the modifiers are interpreted in software?11:02
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Gadgetoid_mbpthe built-in keyboard seems to be some sort of bizarre, alien, non standard device that resembles a keyboard only in physical appearance11:02
Gadgetoid_mbpThe point is, without some smart-ass software fixes, Bluetooth keyboards suck11:03
Gadgetoid_mbpUnless you hate punctuation, capital letters, symbols, and life11:03
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tybollthow depressing11:03
Gadgetoid_mbpSomeone will fix it, sooner or later11:04
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mstbluez can handle keyboards, no?11:04
mstso it's something between the keyboard info turning up and everything else11:05
Gadgetoid_mbpYou can pair a keyboard, and type the letters a through z11:05
msti.e. there's something not mapping the key names11:05
mstor whatever11:05
mstdoes that sound like a reasonable guess at which bit the problem's in?11:05
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Macerso i can just make a refit bootable cd and boot that on the mb and install linux from it? that's interesting11:08
Macerlet me see if that works. if i don't get rid of osx on the damn thing i am going to lose it11:08
mstGadgetoid_mbp: sorry. trying to work out if this is something I stand a chance of dealing with11:09
Gadgetoid_mbpLord knows, mst, someone out there will know more than me!11:09
* mst shrugs11:09
msta keyboard's about 50 quid. after spending 500 on the n900 I can live with it11:09
mstI'll find some way to make it work11:09
Gadgetoid_mbpMacer: what, WHAT!?11:09
mstbribe somebody at UKUUG to fix it with beer or something :)11:09
Gadgetoid_mbpmst: and the Apple BT keyboard doesn't work, apparently, although i haven't tried mine yet11:10
Gadgetoid_mbpMacer: You want to replace OSX with linux on a MacBook? wowser...11:10
MacerGadgetoid_mbp: going to install ubuntu .. well.. kubuntu on my mb11:11
Gadgetoid_mbpI'd take OSX any day, and run linux in Parallels11:11
Maceri did it before11:11
Maceronly reason i went back was because i needed adhoc network to work on the wifi11:11
Macerbut i don't really need that anymore11:11
Gadgetoid_mbpBut yeah, just burn a regular boot CD and shove it in11:11
Macerosx does stuff that just totally makes me hate it :)11:11
Gadgetoid_mbpLike? work?11:11
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Macerhaha.. well. needing a 3rd party app like insomniaX (which kernel panics it now that i've updated to latest leopard) to keep it on while closed it kind of crazy11:12
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Macerhfs+ is the worst fs in existance11:12
Macerwith its  need to fork metadata on anything that is not hfs+11:12
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Macereven network shares11:12
Macerthe need for 3rd party apps to do the simplest of things in order to change the appearance of the ui11:13
konttori_nokiatekojo, is this expected?
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Macerno cut/paste to use in 1 finder window so there is always a need to use 2 windows when doing anything related to movign files around even simple things which requires going through the process of getting there twice11:14
Macerfinder has a bunch of crappy ways and no split windowing for it in order to have 2 destinations showing at once with the exception of usin ga 2nd window11:14
Macerthe list goes on and on :)11:14
Maceri'd rather deal with kubuntu's shortcomings than apple's haha11:14
tekojokonttori_nokia not expected, looks like something is crashing somewhere11:15
Gadgetoid_mbpFinder would be the only point out of those that actually irks me11:15
Macerand bootcamp can't move osx files in order for me to install linux another way11:15
Gadgetoid_mbpBut being able to drop to a terminal and just use cp helps11:15
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konttori_nokiatekojo, will you guys be able to handle it? Do I need to file a bug?11:16
MacerGadgetoid_mbp: i suppose. but that requires a ton of typing sometimes. even with tabs it isn't efficient11:16
mstGadgetoid_mbp: mentions specifically letters, space, "," and "."11:16
mstGadgetoid_mbp: those are precisely the things you can reach on the built-in keyboard without a modifier key11:16
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mstthat really really smells like "keymap" to me11:16
tekojoping X-Fade, and konttori-nokia please no bug for this it's part og bug 581811:16
Gadgetoid_mbpI'm amazed they got shift out of it11:16
X-Fadetekojo: there is already a bug for that.11:17
Gadgetoid_mbpWill have to give mine another shot11:17
mstso ... hmm11:17
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X-FadeWill be fixed in new infra.11:17
mstthis shit is X right?11:17
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Gadgetoid_mbpBut it drove me insane last time11:17
mstso I can use xev to watch the vent stream11:17
mstdamn, this might be easier than I thought ;)11:17
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rkccan I able to build the project outside /scratchbox directory??11:19
rkcit looks like the scratchbox session doesnot recognize the folders outside /scratchbox.... means.. the are not visible11:20
Gadgetoid_mbprkc: that's kind-of the point of a sandbox...11:20
rkccould you please elaborate on that..11:21
rkci am new to this dev environment11:21
mstit is a sandbox11:22
mstit is a container11:22
mstto keep stuff inside11:22
Gadgetoid_mbpA sandbox is a pretty generic term...11:22
mstso of course it cannot see outside11:22
mstthey should not be visible11:22
mstthis is correct11:22
mstthis is what it is for11:22
mstrejoice, be happy, eat kittens for breakfast11:22
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Corsacand ponies11:22
mstmany objects are shiny11:22
mstlet us take a moment to be reminded that some are also dense.11:23
konttori_nokiaX-Fade, Apparently some issue in   - related to bug 581811:23
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X-Fadekonttori_nokia: Yes, server move is next week. Should solve it.11:24
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tybolltare the included "shet/document to go" real versions or trials?11:25
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mstGadgetoid_mbp: right. I'll be back once the keyboard arrives to treat you to a long stream of profanity as I figure out how to make it go. cheers for the thoughts. hasta11:26
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Gadgetoid_mbpHurrah, sounds like someone's on the case at least11:27
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celestehi have some questions about the builtin camera app that starts up when you open the lense cover. specifically, i'm wondering about what ti does with GPS data11:28
celestehWhen i try to take a photo, it starts naging me for a data connection, which is exceptionally annoying11:28
Gadgetoid_mbpcelesteh: tags the photos with GPS co-ordinates11:29
celestehif it can find a network connection only or always?11:29
Laiskacelesteh: check if you have geotagging enabled in camera settings?11:29
Gadgetoid_mbpAlways, I would think... doesn't need a network for GPS11:29
celestehwhen i upload the photos to flickr (which is awesomely easy) they don't get map stuff automagically11:29
Gadgetoid_mbpJesus, it's nailing it down with snow on top of the existing frozen snow11:29
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celestehthis is kind of a dumb question, but where do i even find camera settings?11:30
pupnikone of the icons on the right of camera display11:31
pupnikthe wrench / imbuss schluessel11:31
Gadgetoid_mbpUnfortunately "don't bug me with requests for GPS data" is not one of the options11:31
LaiskaStart the camera, then from the topbar click the text "Camera"11:31
celestehah, i have to open the lense, ok.11:32
Gadgetoid_mbpLaiska: it starts full screen when you open the lens11:32
Gadgetoid_mbpcelesteh: tap the center of the screen to get out of full screen mode11:32
LaiskaGadgetoid_mbp: True, true11:32
Gadgetoid_mbp"Geotagging" is a section in the top menu, as Laiska points out11:33
celestehi clicked on the satelite dish icon and it asks me if i want to enable geotgging11:33
tybolltwrench oder schlüssel? also, ruhig!  :)11:33
pupnikaah different settings11:33
celestehit says it needs an internet connection :(11:33
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pupnikindeed, :( :(11:33
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Gadgetoid_mbpDon't you want to disable it?11:33
pupnikbasically the gps needs assist = internet connection to work11:34
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tybolltcelesteh:  the gps can work without an internet connection however in order for it to quick fix w/ the satellites it needs to download some data11:34
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celestehso it can't just log the lat/lon and stick that in the photo's metadata?11:34
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tybolltpupnik: I should think it will work w/out. However will take lots long to get a fix?11:34
Macerheh. ok. some parts of ncis la are funny11:35
Gadgetoid_mbpRight, time to brave the insane snow and get food11:35
Macerlike when LL Cool J starts quoting spock11:35
MacerGadgetoid_mbp: yeah. it's bad here too11:35
Macerwe got almost a foot in chicago11:35
tybolltMacer: really? I watched half of the first episode and couldn't stand it11:35
tybolltMacer: I've never seen such bland characters.11:35
Macertybollt: it is OK. not nearly as good as the original ;)11:35
celestehit is WAY faster than my old nokia gps dongle at getting a fix, when i'm online.  but i'll settle for slow fixes in order to ration paying for data11:36
tybolltMacer: I think it is a farce. I will not have any of it11:36
Macerit's good ambient video ;)11:37
Macerwhere you can not pay attention to it for 20 minutes and still know what's going in haha11:37
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Maceri'm still trying to get this refit/kubuntu crap going on my mb11:38
pupnikcelesteh: i find that when i need gps, i don't have 5-50 minutes to hold it in a clear field pointing south.11:38
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Maceri THINK i got refit on the hd :) so that's a +11:38
pupnikso agps is the only practical option.  it would be nice if the map application did not download its map crap from 3g though!11:38
Corsacyeah but if you have no way to have data access it's still nice to not wait too long :)11:38
Macerjust a matter of wiping osx and installing kubuntu now11:39
Corsacpupnik: you can do a fix without ovi maps11:39
Corsacthe location test gui can do it and not download anything else11:39
Macerpupnik: google maps does that in android11:39
Corsacor maemo mapper, and maybe the ovi maps widget won't download too much stuff11:39
pupnikty for info11:39
Maceri was in the boonies in ohio with no internet access on my phone so i was driving blind for a while11:39
pupniki think / hope my device has my area cached now11:40
Macerhoping that when i reached civilization and some sort of cell data access that i wasn't 100 miles off11:40
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celestehnow i'm wondering if i should hold on to my dongle in case i get lost someplace with no connectivity11:41
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Proteousnot sure holding your dongle is going to help if you get lost11:42
Proteousmight make you feel better for a short while11:43
Macerwell. looks like i am going to get this going on the mb :)11:44
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Macertoo bad i have to leave like 4 hours earlier to get anywhere today11:44
celestehwhen i was using my n800, i would pre-download maps of the area i expected to be in, which did greatly reduce the amount of time i've spent lost.11:46
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pupnikbasically the only maps i need use .jpg or .png technology11:47
pupnikthe rest is gravy11:47
tybolltwow, the wonders of reliable sms delivery11:47
tybolltmum sent me a text at new years eve11:48
lcukpupnik, :) digital paper maps11:48
tybolltwondered later why I didn't reply11:48
tybolltnow, this minute - I get the text. >:)11:48
lcukcelesteh, for ovi maps you can download maps for country11:48
tybollt7-8 days give or take for a text delivery, anyone?11:48
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lcuktybollt, that sounds wrong, but if the phone is off its possible11:49
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lcukand its even possible if the provider holds the message (new years is common)11:50
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lcukcelesteh, with my n900 i take photos of maps in new places11:50
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lcukget off train, oh look handy map of town - snap11:51
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JaffaMorning, all12:10
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lcukmornin Jaffa12:11
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lcukjaffa would a new plugin for hermes require explicit coding by yourself, or is it laid out in such a way that people can offer you patches with new providers12:14
lcuk(not talking full massive extensive plugin support, just to be able to say "new file,"12:14
Jaffalcuk: It's currently undergoing a refactor to enable that: no auto-detection but a more expandible system:
* frals yawns12:15
fralsmorning everyone o/12:15
Stskeepsmorning frals12:15
lcukjaffa cool stuff!12:15
lcukhey frals Stskeeps12:16
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bilboed-piJaffa, REALLY NICE :)12:28
adeusis the maemo-devel mailing list working or is it just a reaally slow news day12:30
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fralsadeus: i just got todays digest so i think its working :)12:31
X-Fadeadeus: no, it was not available. Should be back ow.12:31
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lcukmornin X-Fade \o12:32
X-Fadeadeus: Check your inbox again ;)12:32
adeusmaemo (9)12:33
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adeusseems to work12:34
_berto_the list is back12:37
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RST38hreMoo all12:46
wazdheya all12:47
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RST38hNokia has announced (but not made available yet) Ovi Maps Racing, another homegrown title, integrating the real world streets around your position (or another destination of your choice) with a virtual racetrack - so, effectively, you can race around your own local roads.12:48
ShadowJKdoes work for anyone else?12:48
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StskeepsShadowJK: bugzilla is moving12:48
leon-RST38h, omg!12:48
lcukRST38h, i saw that, its a gta engine using the vectors from maps12:49
ShadowJKfunny that, it was never slow(er than any other bugzilla out there) for me :)12:49
lcukub3r cool12:49
StskeepsRST38h: if it acts like Ovi maps, we'll be seeing a lot of deaths on the racetrack12:49
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RST38hlcuk: coooooooooool12:49
tybolltRST38h: in other news nokia is still have not released Ovi 3.012:49
tybollt(on the n900)12:49
RST38hlcuk: Maemo version? When?12:49
lcukRST38h, i dunno12:49
lcuki just saw the same advert you did12:49
lcuki wanted gta on this device anyway lol12:50
RST38hStskeeps: Hey, isn't driving over people the whole point of these games?12:50
ShadowJKtybollt, Ovi Maps for Maemo and Ovi Maps for Symbian are different things... comparing version numbers doesn't make sense :)12:50
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tybolltShadowJK: lack of voice turn-by-turn (there, I said it :P )12:51
ShadowJKthey just have to redo it..12:51
tybolltRST38h: I can imagine no greater pleasure than driving over the next door missus or rather her 100lbs pitbull... (oh yeah, that's in a computer game ;)12:54
Jaffabilboed-pi: lcuk: glad you approve :)12:59
nealwhat widget is used to popup a menu from the bottom of the screen?  For instance, when choosing "share" in the photo application, a menu with three buttons pops up from the button?13:00
Jaffaneal: It's just a dialogue box13:00
nealoh, ok.13:00
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ccookeGood Morning.13:05
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RST38hehehe, Eldar Murtazin vs "geeks" again13:10
pupnik_where do i enter my APN in the 3g network settings13:11
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tybolltRST38h: where where :)13:13
* tybollt was - up until about a month ago - not really aware of the various pro and con eldar campaigns out there :)13:13
RST38htybollt: lj13:13
tybolltquite entertaining though ;)13:13
* RST38h wasn't aware either. What campaigns?13:14
tybolltyou can google it and you will find several forum threads all over the place13:14
tybolltpeople spreading "facts" about him such as him stealing supposed "review units" etc. :)13:15
RST38hAnd are these campaigns?13:15
tybolltI found one nic on two various forums (IIRC) -> campaing to me ;)13:16
RST38hWell, he did apparently get unauthorized access to internal Nokia stuff, but AFAIK that was not the main issue13:16
tybolltwhat was indeed the main issue?13:16
RST38hHim talking out of his ass, antagonizing lots of people, then claiming that they are all "geeks" and he is some kind of uber technology god13:17
meceEldarl he pissed off the maemo community by thrashing th N900. He had a phone with the reboot issue, so I understand why he didn't like it. It was all very unfortunate for everyone.13:17
tybolltI knew that13:18
tybolltand well... he's who he is *shrug* :)13:18
meceYeah he came of as a total dick, but then again he was pretty harshly attacked before that, so I can't really blame him.13:18
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meceAnd what he said about his particular phone was true. However the fact that he said it was like that with all phone was obviously not true.13:19
meceall N900's13:19
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meceStill I was rather emarassed on behalf of the community for those threads.13:20
RST38hanyway, the guy apparently managed to piss off Nokia13:20
mecehe did?13:20
meceI mean how do you know?13:20
RST38hAbout a year before that, he pissed off Sony Ericsson13:20
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* robink wants an N900, but that would require a carrier change.13:21
RST38hAnd *after* the N900 incident, he seems to have pissed off one of the Koreans (either Samsung or LG) by stealing some internal presentation during a trip to Korea13:21
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meceRST38h, really?13:21
RST38hSo, right now he is courting Motorola, apparently13:22
meceoh heh13:22
tybolltRST38h: Really? So the guy just blatantly picks up phones and walk away?13:22
RST38htybollt: I have no idea13:22
RST38hAll I know is that whatever manufacturer works with him, usually gets pissed at him13:22
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tybolltI mean if he did how the hell could he not get hunt up and down the court room?13:23
tybolltoh wait - he's in russia - that's why13:23
RST38hIt is not United States.13:23
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rkc_can anybody tell a good document to create a package file?13:23
RST38hHe still can be dragged into the court room of course, but what is the point in that?13:23
meceI only care about one thing actually.13:23
meceregarding eldar.13:23
mecehe leaked the N900. That was nice. I'm sure not everyone thinks so, but I was very happy about that.13:24
RST38hYou really care? :)13:24
rkc_I am following
RST38habout one thing? :)13:24
mecewell not care.. what's the word13:24
tybolltand jacek the second?13:24
tybolltso my-sym,bian guy used to pull similar tricks?13:24
mecewtf is jacek the second?13:24
tybolltI did not know actually?13:25
tybolltmece: 12:21 < glass_> jacek-the-second?13:25
tybolltmece: so... you tell me!13:25
RST38hglass: So , who is the Jacek guy?13:25
meceno idea what that meant :)13:25
mecemy wife hates my N90013:26
meceNokia N900 - Grounds for divorce13:26
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rkc_anybody can help me out in packaging?13:27
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glass_RST38h: a guy who ran(runs?) a ms mobiles blog13:29
glass_RST38h: who pissed off a lot of people, got fired from nokia etc13:29
pupnik_anybody here know how to set up a 3g connection on n900?13:29
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RST38hglass: interesting13:29
tybolltglass_: you are not talking about Jacek over at
tybolltthat is michal13:30
glass_tybollt: hmm i'm pretty sure it's a different one13:30
tybolltnevermind :)13:30
pupnik_it gives me 'access point name = internet' from the sim card i guess13:30
RST38hJacek Rutkowski13:30
glass_RST38h: yeh13:30
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mecepupnik_, it was automagical for me. the provider.. provides it :)13:31
pupnik_right, well off to the store i guess13:32
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RST38hglass: yea, I have found the meat already13:33
RST38hglass: got his own groupies, hasn't he?13:33
tybolltRST38h: oh heh they are ddosing :)13:34
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* RST38h spontaneously combusts:
RST38hOh yeeaaaah13:36
pupnik_got it working, thank ghod.  Tschibo (o2) in germany needs APN="webmobil1" and not "internet" as read from the sim13:36
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glass_RST38h: juliette by de sade is about as ranty and hard readable text13:37
RST38h"If you are a Finn brainwashed by the Finnish education system..."13:37'd use paragraphs. probably13:37
RST38hHe is gooooood13:38
* RST38h hasn't read stuff this wonderful since that article by some Polish russophobe about his trip to Irkutsk13:39
Gadgetoid_mbppupnik_: how'd penguin command go?13:39
Gadgetoid_mbpRST38h: I couldn't get past the second line of the second paragraph, my brain gave up13:40
tybolltit is amusing indeed13:41
Gadgetoid_mbpBut Finns are proud of being blonde?13:41
shdGadgetoid_mbp: for hair color? not much to be proud of..13:42
Gadgetoid_mbp"choice of none nokia cell phones in finland is ridiculously small"13:42
Gadgetoid_mbpnon-nokia, even13:42
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Muhvifins aren't that blonde anyway13:44
meceRST38h, O.O13:44
Muhviits dissappearing here13:44
Muhviswedes are quite blonde13:44
meceMuhvi, I'm blonde13:44
Muhvimece, i know ;D13:44
meceMuhvi, well ash13:44
meceMuhvi, you know?13:44
Muhviwas meant to be a joke :)13:45
mecehaha ok13:45
Muhvibut didn't sink :(13:45
meceI get it now.13:45
meceIt takes a while for blondes.13:45
gouverneurshd: I am blonde and blueeyed13:45
shdgouverneur: semi-blond, green eyes13:45
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gouverneuryeah I am more like a dogdirtbag blonde13:46
meceWhy are people hyping about this nexus phone?13:46
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gouverneurbecause its android13:46
mecegoverneur, but it's exactly like all other android phones from what I can tell13:46
pupnik_Gadgetoid_mbp: haven't looked at your targeting modifications yet.  I'm very happy with the sounds.  I think the levels get too hard too fast at around level 8 (non arcade mode)13:47
gouverneurI guess at least 3/4 of the fanboys are google bots!13:47
Gadgetoid_mbpYou're right pupnik_, I got schooled about that far into the game13:47
Termanamece -- because its android and android is all the buzz in the tech world right now as well as this being the officially GOOGLE's entry in the smartphone market.13:47
Gadgetoid_mbpIt's not a difficulty curve, it's a cliff!13:47
wazdI just got hot :)13:47
tybolltmece: Wring question. Right question: "Why are people hyping about this $ANYTHING_GOOGLERS?13:48
kirmamece: because there's stronger-than-usual association with google, although that might be just hype13:48
gouverneurhas anyone talked to the parrot guys yet? the ARdrone would be nice for maemo13:48
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mecegouverneur, what's ARdrone?13:49
tybolltgouverneur: parrot? As in the car BT system?13:49
Gadgetoid_mbpI'm waiting for one of those now, wazd13:49
RST38h"And nature in Finland is unusable during winter because of extremely low temperatures"13:49
* tybollt meant to fire off a mail to Parrot people13:49
mecekirma, I suppose. I'm sure android is nice though. But I don't see any way it could be less interesting...13:49
RST38hI would say he is trolling, if not for the size of this rant13:49
Gadgetoid_mbpRST38h: wtf!? nature unusuable? *facepalm*13:49
tybolltRST38h: one hell of a sherlock that guy!13:49
gouverneurtybollt: yes they created a 4motor BT-drone and programmed additional AR games for it as the drone has a cam13:50
mgedminbluetooth sucks13:50
* mgedmin is struggling with bluemaemo now13:50
kirmaI don't think there's a single mobile platform that would be in truly healthy condition at the moment13:50
tybolltI just want my Parrot MKI9200 to work >:)13:50
Gadgetoid_mbpCES sucks, so many shiny gadgets but none of the PRs are actually in the office when I try to request samples13:50
Gadgetoid_mbpI should try actually attending, I suppose13:50
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gouverneurGadgetoid_mbp: thats the idea of CES13:52
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gouverneurmece: 4motor BT drone13:52
meceoh I see.13:52
Gadgetoid_mbpARDrone is Wifi13:52
gouverneurGadgetoid_mbp: the old one is BT isnt it?13:53
Gadgetoid_mbpThere's an old one?13:53
mecegouverneur, WANT!13:53
gouverneurah its wifi even the old one13:53
mgedminBlueMaemo rules13:53
Gadgetoid_mbpBT just wouldn't work13:53
mgedminbut bluetooth still sucks13:53
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: worksfine13:54
Gadgetoid_mbpI wonder if it works through an access point, or WAN13:54
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: you can use an antenna with lots of gain onthe bottom13:54
Gadgetoid_mbpSpeedEvil: for control, maybe, but streaming video from the drone?13:54
gouverneurthe previous wasnt by parrot, the guys who won the junior inventor price with it (Germans) had it BTed13:54
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: streaming high quality video - no13:54
SpeedEvilfor my UAV design, I have bt/wifi/433MHz link.13:57
SpeedEvilthough both of the first may drop out at exreme ranges13:58
tybolltnuff to spy at the neighbours - surely13:58
SpeedEvilwith a big - 1.8m - dish on the bottom13:58
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pupnik_BARCELONA, Spain (Feb. 14, 2006) - Offering a breakthrough in how a mobile phone can work for you, Texas Instruments Incorporated (TI) today announced its new OMAPTM 3 architecture for mobile phones at a press conference at 3GSM World Congress.14:01
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anidelhi all14:02
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pupnik_"N900 for just over a week now and really like it, but I also work selling phones, and believe me the N900 is a HARD sell, the typical convo goes as follows."
tybolltnice there on parrot.com14:04
tybollt"Warning: fsockopen() [function.fsockopen]: unable to connect to localhost:25 (Connection refused) in /var/www/parrotcontact/phpmailer/class.smtp.php on line 10514:04
tybolltYour message has been sent. We thank you and we will respond to it as soon as possible."14:04
RST38hpupnik: About 1/3 of the answers he is giving are pretty unprofessional for someone who sells phones14:05
RST38hKinda strange14:05
meceeehehe this Jacek character seems "nice"14:05
anidelanyone experiencing this issue: WiFi not re-connecting unless you reboot the device?14:06
RST38hmece: Just, PLEASE, do not "invite" him to tmo =)14:06
anidelsorry need to ask maemo-bugs :)14:06
RST38hanidel: works like a charm here, although messaging plugins sometimes get stuck14:06
anidelno it's the WiFi14:06
anidelnow  for example I cannot reconnect to my work WiFi14:07
anidelyesterday I couldn't reconnect to the home WiFi14:07
onionanidel: try going offline and back, works for me14:07
anidelif I reboot, they both woirk fine.. the issue usually happens when I leave a WiFi and go to another place ...14:07
anidelonion: tried, doesn't14:07
anideljust tried again.. WiFi flashed.. then it gave up (no errors shown) and connected to 3G14:08
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anideltrying to connect to WiFi manually.. WiFi icon flashing...then "Network connection error. Try again?"14:09
anidelI will file a bug.. but I am not sure if this issue happens on pre-production models like mine only or not... and it doesn't always happen14:09
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anidelfile bug #777714:15
wazdGadgetoid_mbp: well, I have HAbu now but this mouse looks awesome :)14:15
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RST38hAh, wazd!14:16
RST38hwazd: Can I make a humble request? =)14:17
wazdRST38h: sure14:17
RST38hwazd: Can you think of making a Maemo5 theme that looks like NeXT UI? =)14:18
meceRST38h, Scary...14:18
RST38hwazd: Samples (both BW and color versions, clickable for full size) here:
meceRST38h, regarding google14:18
wazdRST38h: I was thinking of a theme that looks like DOS :D14:18
RST38hwazd: Notice how most UI elements where BW14:18
RST38hwazd: THAT would be evil :) But fortunately it is achievable by simply using MSDOS CGA font in XTerm :)14:19
RST38hmece: Probably does not mean a thing. Super or not super, it is another HTC phone, getting more and more regular with every week14:19
tekojoanidel are you in the test group?14:19
anideltekojo: yes14:19
tekojoopen a bug14:19
wazdRST38h: heh14:20
anideltekojo: but I think I encountered this bug also on 42-11... I've already opened a bug (#7777)14:20
RST38hwazd: Also: PHOTOGRAPHIC ICONS! :)14:20
tekojoanidel, nice number :-)14:20
anideltekojo: :) easy to remember :p14:20
wazdRST38h: well, I can see a hand of Jobs here :)14:20
RST38hwazd: Of course. And that was before He invented transparent blue plastic and toilet-derived shapes14:21
anidel(77 in neapolitan Lotto's are described as "Woman's legs") :)14:21
meceRST38h, I printed that and attatched it to the Nexus specs that were printed out and left in our coffee room at work :D14:21
siriusnovathe nexus is nice14:21
siriusnovanice android phone14:21
RST38hanidel: afaik same in Russian14:21
anidelall android phones look the same to me14:22
mecesiriusnova, the nexus is just another android phone. A little uglier IMO14:22
anidelRST38h, ah! :) cool14:22
RST38hwell, Droid certainly got nice specs14:22
siriusnovathe N900 needs a firmware update14:22
siriusnovaand it needs Ovi Maps 3.014:22
RST38hBut commoditization isn't really good for manucaturers, see what it has done to WinMo phones =)14:22
mecesiriusnova, not mine.14:22
anidelRST38h, Hero also had nice specs, regarding camera for example (5mpx).. but the picture quality sucks compared to N900 for example.. specs, as you know for sure, aren't to be trusted :)14:23
Stskeepsanidel: does sound like your #7777?14:23
anideldamn! I even searched for it! twice14:23
tekojoStskeeps yes it does14:23
anidelah! OS: Linux14:23
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anidelI searched for Maemo14:23
tekojodo you guys see normally?14:23
meceandiel, the Hero looks nice too.14:23
RST38hanidel: N900 picture quality sucks either.14:23
anidelbut it's different14:24
anidelmine's always connected to a single WiFI and never disconnects..14:24
Stskeepstekojo: it's the bug that is fixed in a unreleased version of a open package (osso-wlan)14:24
anidelRST38h, won't say so.. and compare Hero pictures to N900 pictures and see the details :)14:24
Stskeeps(> PR1.1)14:24
anidelif u can14:24
meceandiel, RST38h, but if I was forced to pick up an android phone, the milestone is the best one as far as I can tell.14:24
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tekojoStskeeps so it looks14:25
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anidelbut mine's is in Comment #1 for that bug.. I'll mark mine as a duplicate of this14:25
meceWhat's the deal with the mythical firmware update btw? I missed the memo where it was delayed.14:25
siriusnovabut its always rsn14:26
siriusnovafor the past month14:26
siriusnovareal soon now14:26
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siriusnovawhich is a catch all phrase for14:26
siriusnovaNo idea14:26
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meceoh well. My phone works just fine, so I don't really need an update, but still it would be cool to get some new features.14:27
wazdRST38h: also I was thinking bout some white A-class theme14:27
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Arkenoidid i miss something14:30
DassuArkenoi: nou.14:31
ArkenoiRST38h, i wan under the impression that-who-is-not-to-be-named has authorized access to nokia prototypes, at least he stated that quite explicitly14:31
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meceArkenoi, so he claimed. Afaict nobody knows how he gets them.14:34
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tybolltwhen are we getting OOo for n900?14:39
siriusnovai hope never14:40
siriusnovaOOo would run like utter crap14:40
siriusnovaon a 600mhz Arm14:40
redeemanjust install it in a chroot14:40
redeemanpeople have done it14:40
StskeepsOoo didn't run -that- crap on n8x014:41
redeemanyou can install anything debian arm has14:41
tybolltI laughed at the idea of firefuck on the n90014:41
tybolltI am running that now14:41
tybolltso ... :)14:41
cehtehiirc there are some builds already14:41
siriusnovadid you disable disk caching14:41
siriusnovato speed up fennec14:41
redeemanit would be nicer with 1GB ram and a cortex-A9 MP though :D14:41
siriusnovatry that14:41
tybolltsiriusnova: aaaah that why it is so slow?14:41
siriusnovait makes fennec so much more usable14:41
siriusnovaits a bug14:41
siriusnovalemme link the post14:41
tybollt"disable disk caching"?14:41
SpeedEvilredeeman: what do you mean? the adverts said my n900 had 1GB14:41
tybolltis that in the n900?14:42
redeemanSpeedEvil: hah, 1gb virtual memory, 256gb actual ram14:42
siriusnovafennec fox14:42
redeemantheres a big fat 768MB swap14:42
siriusnovawhat pisses me off is this 80MB free on / bullshens14:42
tybolltbecause disabling disk caching in linux == disable UBC and that ... is not doable  :)14:42
siriusnovaseriously Nokia wtf14:42
SpeedEvilredeeman: I've wondered if there are compatible 256/256 parts for the flash/RAM14:42
wazd256gb, holy crap14:43
Shadikka256GB RAM would be tasty.14:43
redeemanSpeedEvil: apparently the omap3 cannot handle more ram14:43
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redeemanso nokia isn't to blame14:43
SpeedEvilredeeman: hmm14:43
redeemanthe huge ram usage maemo does have is somewhat frightening though14:43
cehtehsomeone fix ramz please :P14:44
Stskeepsramzswap works on n8x0 doesn't it14:47
kirmaI thought OMAP3 could handle more, but stacked packaging isn't available in larger capacities yet14:47
alexj_i have been having reboot issues with my n900, turning off enable_off_mode seems to help but battery live is very bad and the phone hangs14:48
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siriusnovaalexj - same problems as u14:48
siriusnovajointhe early adopter club14:48
alexj_any pointers on improving this14:48
siriusnovayell at Nokia for releasing a buggy piece of crap firmware14:49
fralshand it in to nokia care and tell em you what a new device should work as well14:49
* kirma had maybe three spontaneous reboots on first week... and after that, not a single one.14:49
kirmasomewhat interesting how they disappeared14:49
siriusnovahopefully i heard the new firmware coming out should fix a lot of issues14:49
alexj_yelling i guess will not help us14:49
siriusnovawhen it comes out14:50
alexj_i am keeping my fingers crossed14:50
alexj_but in terms of usability it is so awesome14:50
tybolltalexj_: you'd be suprised to know how well yelling works for my boss when he wants stuff done ... by me ;)14:50
alexj_how i wish i didnt get the faulty piece14:50
tybolltsiriusnova: we want ETA, not promises ;)14:51
alexj_tybollt: :)14:51
siriusnovayeah me too14:51
siriusnovaim in the same boat14:51
siriusnovathe only reason im not getting rid of the N900 and getting a Droid is that Nokia tends to have awesome hardware and phone functionality that works well14:51
siriusnovaso im expecting an update14:51
alexj_just looking at the scale of the impacted devices, someone really messed up the process14:52
Milo-when I open application manager14:52
alexj_i will wait for the update, if that doesnt fix, i will go for a replacement14:52
Milo-it always updates the package list, and the stop button won't work14:52
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LynoureToday I ran into an answering system not accepting the "for service, press 5" things from my N900. Weird, because I think I have used Nokia phone conf with those... ended up successfully using a crappy spare phone14:54
ifreqLynoure: using daily such services.. no problems14:54
Lynoureifreq: I did too, with the fw I had from maemo summit... but not after that, I think14:55
LynoureMight be just the device breaking too, or cosmic rays =)14:55
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redeemanLynoure: i too use that15:03
Muhvii hate those cosmic rays ;)15:03
redeemanbut if we didn't have cosmic rays, what else would we blame?15:03
Muhviprobably video games15:03
ifreqposition of the moon and stars15:05
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cehtehmhm ..someone thought about porting stellarium to maemo5?15:05
cehtehthat would be an aweseome eye candy thing15:06
LynoureActually, I could blame HP as well, after all, it was HP support line15:06
rkc_hi guys.. i have tried creating deb package for my test app, which contains test.cpp, makefile, (this is a qt app). aFter creating the deb, it does not contain my executable in the package15:06
rkc_i use dh_make for creating debian structure15:06
adeusyour INSTALLS is broken15:07
rkc_what could have gone wrong?15:07
rkc_this is the first time i create debian package15:07
adeusin .pro, INSTALLS += target15:08
rkc_adeus: what do u mean.. do u mean i need to add this line?15:09
rkc_target should it be replaced by my target file name?15:09
adeusyou should have a row TARGET = appname15:10
adeuswhere appname is the file name15:10
rkc_TARGET = appname, this line should be in .pro file or in Makefile?15:10
adeusyes, where appname is your app name15:11
rkc_ok.. let me try15:12
adeusbut in all likelyhood, the "INSTALLS += target" row will be enough15:13
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rkc_adeus: still the same problem15:17
tybolltdern mfe is ?=½"¤%)="#?15:17
rkc_my test-1.0.0 folder contains test.cpp and Makefile15:17
rkc_i use dh_make with --createorig option15:18
rkc_it creates debian directory15:18
rkc_then i use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot15:18
rkc_if i open the created .deb file in archive manager, it contains data, controll tars and the .binary15:19
rkc_inside data tar, /usr/bin/ contains nothing15:19
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pupnik_RST38h: Keith Ohlfs really did a bang-up job with icons back in the day... I think he was 'ahead of his time'..15:22
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adeusrkc_, debian/<appname> directory contains the data that goes into the deb15:26
rkc_adeus.. i dont have any such directory15:27
rkc_i have only files..15:27
RST38hpupnik: The whole thing was ahead of its time15:27
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rkc_do i need to create that directory??15:28
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rkc_but dh_make doesnot creat taht..15:29
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Andy80hi all15:30
adeusand it shouldn't15:30
rkc_but the process fo dpkg-buildpackage creates the executable..15:30
adeusit's created during make15:30
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adeuswhich runs make15:30
rkc_i guess dpkg-buildpackage runs make.. isnt it?15:30
Andy80a simple question... how can I automatically execute: "export DISPLAY=:2" when I log into scratchbox? I don't remember the file I've to use... .bashrc?15:30
adeusit runs make something like "make INSTALL_ROOT=$(CURDIR)/debian/$(APPNAME) install"15:31
rkc_yes exactly.. i fould this line in rule file15:31
adeusthis depends on your debian/rules15:31
adeusAndy80, yes15:32
rkc_yes.. i got it.. the folder is created..15:32
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adeusand I'm guessing usr/bin/ is empty inside it15:32
rkc_but the /debian/<appname>/usr/bin contains nothing15:32
adeusso your installs is still broken somehow15:33
rkc_what do u mean by installs?? is it a file?15:33
trxis there any pascal compiler that can generate executable's for maemo?15:33
adeusthe variable in the .pro file15:33
Andy80adeus: oh thanks, it was already set :P we should update wiki informations15:34
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rkc_here is my .pro file content15:34
rkc_TEMPLATE = app TARGET = test DEPENDPATH += . INCLUDEPATH += .  # Input SOURCES += test.cpp15:34
lcukAndy80, you got over installation issues?15:34
rkc_it doesnt have any installs15:34
adeusso add it15:34
adeusINSTALLS += test15:34
rkc_at the end?15:34
Andy80lcuk: yes... simply repeating installation :\15:35
lcukgood though :)15:35
lcukglad its runnin15:35
Andy80lcuk: now I "start" playing with the GUI :)15:35
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rkc_after adding that line, when i run "qmake" it gives the follwing waringin15:37
rkc_lWARNING: test.path is not defined: install target not created15:37
adeusadd that as well15:37
rkc_in .pro file?15:38
adeusyes, wait15:38
adeusI have BINDIR = $$PREFIX/bin15:39
adeusand then "target.path =$$BINDIR"15:39
rkc_in pro file .. right?15:39
adeusso add both of those lines15:39
rkc_waht about th e$$PREFIX15:40
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adeus$$ means its a env variable15:40
rkc_so.. i have to export it??15:41
adeusisEmpty(PREFIX) {15:41
adeusPREFIX = /usr/local15:41
adeusyou can do that in the beginning of the pro file15:41
konttori_nokiais it just me or is the repository really slow atm?15:41
Stskeepskonttori_nokia: not just you15:42
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rkc_target.path =$$BINDIR is this should be inside "?15:42
konttori_nokiaapt-get update shows that most of the time is spent just waiting for the servers.15:43
X-FadeShould become bit better soon. I was syncing stuff and the load on the origin got really high.15:43
konttori_nokiaI wonder what is going on.15:43
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rkc_qmake gives the same error still15:46
rkc_test.path is not defined: install target not created15:47
adeuspastebin your .pro file15:48
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rkc_one sec15:49
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adeusthe installs says test15:51
adeusit should say target15:51
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rkc_is nt that right?15:51
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Gadgetoid_mbpmy daughter is a weird tiny walking TV guide who seems able to predict with disturbing accuracy when something she wants to watch is about to start15:57
edheldilvan n900 do a BNEP profile?15:57
edheldili.e. can it serve as an AP?15:57
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frals<3 the repos Fetched 3412kB in 7min4s (8044B/s)16:06
adeusye old modem days16:08
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tybolltso is anyone using (qt)irreco?16:10
X-Fadetybollt: Yes.16:11
X-Fadetybollt: Well, using... I have it working.16:11
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ali1234i'm using irreco, dunno if it is qt version16:13
ali1234i lost my tv remote16:13
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rkc_adeus: now the qmake works fine..16:14
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rkc_but the /debian/<appname> still missing executable16:15
pupnik3gok this is really fun now16:15
rkc_the executable is created in the current directory itself16:15
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tybolltX-Fade: did you manage to find a good big database of remotes?16:16
X-FadeThe included worked for me.16:16
tybolltoh gee, lucky you ;P16:16
X-FadeWell, I created a remote myself, from a lirc file.16:17
* tybollt had one of those EPICFAIL moments w/ that :-/(16:17
tybolltoooh olrite16:17
tybolltI see16:17
X-FadeThere are a lot of remotes in the lirc database.16:17
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* mgedmin couldn't get irreco to work16:20
X-Fademgedmin: /etc/init.d/lircd start ?16:20
mgedminno, my remote was not in the DB16:20
X-Fademgedmin: Ah.16:21
mgedminremotes with similar serial numbers didn't work16:21
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X-FadeWell, I can't use it anyway.16:21
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X-FadeMy couch is more than 2m away from the tv. ;)16:21
mgedminwhat, the IR is so weak?16:21
X-FadeIt is very directed, it seems.16:21
tybolltwhy did they include it at all?16:22
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X-FadeBut either it is weak or the frequency is not entirely correct.16:22
tybolltif it is unidirectional anyway?16:22
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fralswhats the delay between build-succeeded and a package appearing in -devel? :)16:24
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lcukand is the time interval due to change after the server upgrade16:24
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lcukfrals, my experience is its like an episode of 24, "within the hour"16:25
fradejrocha, ping?16:25
fradejrocha, are you using python-hildon? :)16:25
X-Fadefrals: Normally it should be there quite soon, but not at the moment.16:25
fralslcuk: alright16:26
fralsX-Fade: roger16:26
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adeuspastebin your .pro  again16:28
jrochafrade, pong. oh yeah16:28
fradejrocha, it seems that hildon.TouchSelector doesn't have get_selected_rows16:29
frade(the method is in the .defs in pymaemo repository.... but not in my python interpreter in scratchbox)16:29
DocScrutinizer51tybollt: it's a huge gain in featureset for a very small increase in BOM16:29
jrochafrade, hmm, might be. I never used that method with Python16:29
jrochado you need that really, can't you use get_active?16:30
fradejrocha, have you ever used a TouchSelector in multiple-selection mode in python?16:30
fradejrocha, get_active is for single-selection, i think...16:30
jrochafrade, that's the thing, I never used it for multiple choice in python16:30
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: can't irreco adjust the carrier freq?16:30
fradejrocha, i am trying to use it... and i cannot get the results!16:31
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: It uses lirc.16:31
jrochafrade, but once I wanted a method from the HildonAppMenu that wasn't in python-hildon, they fixed it after I entered a bug16:31
DocScrutinizer51so can't lirc?16:31
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lizardofrade: as asked you yesterday to add a bug report on this :)16:31
lizardoas -> I16:31
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: But I haven't looked at a scope to see if it actually is using the right freq.16:31
jrochafrade, try to use the hildon.hildon_touch_selector_get_selected_rows16:31
Stskeepsanyone remember if .install files can take non- user/ categories?16:31
jrochanormally those work-arounds work16:31
fradelizardo, ops, sorry, those messages were lost in the xchat history during night :)16:31
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: It works from quite close, so it can't be that bad.16:32
lizardofrade: I checked and indeed the method is missing (the fact it is in .defs does not mean that codegen, the automatic code generator, generated code for it)16:32
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: what *is* the right freq? ;-P16:32
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: Depends on your tv.16:32
fradelizardo, ah! ok, great16:32
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: that's what I implied in my Q ;)16:32
lizardofrade: so if you could add a bug report on it (  we will take a look on it ASAP :)16:32
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jrochafrade, still try the method I wrote here for the moment16:33
fradelizardo, waiting for the DNS to update...16:33
lizardowhere "ASAP" depends on the other PyMaemo tasks...16:33
fradeno access to bugs.maemo.org16:33
lizardofrade: ah ok, I am lucky to have it already working :)16:33
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DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: I assume the IR LED is driven directly by a GPIO of SoC?16:33
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: No idea.16:34
lizardofrade: I heard you could use:
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lizardofrade: but firefox will complain :)16:34
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: as in 'there's no carrier freq hw implied'16:34
kamuijeez, anyone had MMC corruption in their N900?16:34
kamuiMy 8gig reports 1.7gigs free, but the directory only shows a dcim folder now16:35
kamuinone of my 6gigs of media are there  anymore16:35
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: prolly one of the pwm counters / clocks16:35
DocScrutinizer51or even a dedicated IR function output16:35
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: Can be, Ihave no idea.16:35
DocScrutinizer51anyway adjusting freq should be feasible16:36
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: yeah, lirc should do that. But how do we know if the actual freq is accurate ;)16:36
cehtehcan the n900 receive IR or only transmit?16:36
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DocScrutinizer51use a fotodiode and a scope?16:37
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: Like I said ^^^16:37
DocScrutinizer51cehteh: tx only16:37
fradelizardo, done!
fradethanks X-Fade16:38
cehtehwell i still wait for a tv-b-gone app, thats all i need :)16:38
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SpeedEvilI'm unsure. I don't see why the proximity or the battery door sensor (if you feel silly) shouldn't be able to recieve IR.16:38
SpeedEvilI need to do a little more digging.16:38
SpeedEvil(WRT IRRX)16:38
cehtehSpeedEvil: hehe hacks :)16:38
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lizardofrade: thanks :)16:38
SpeedEvilThat's barely a hack.16:39
SpeedEvilA hack is soldering on a compass. :)16:39
cehtehand i suggested nokia could leave out the proximity and brightness sensor by using the front cam for that .. but this way :)16:39
kamuiSpeedEvil: know anything about MMC corruption on the N90016:39
kamuiIm formatting the card now, no point in crying over spilled milk16:39
SpeedEvilkamui: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mmcblk016:40
kamuibut I don't want to keep using it if this is common16:40
SpeedEvilshould work.16:40
kamuiwouldn't that just wipe the card with random bits?16:40
kamuiwouldn't I have to format it again right after?16:40
SpeedEvilit will corrupt it.16:40
kamuioh, thanks for that :)16:40
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: howdy16:41
* SpeedEvil needs to go outside in the cold and sort his car.16:41
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SpeedEvilAnd is trying to avoid.16:41
* anidel feels trapped:
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: l3/l4 manual linked on wiki. it's block, not schematic - but...16:41
SpeedEvil(not from me)16:41
SpeedEvilanidel: saw that - awesome16:41
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: bah. I'm in for a real treat now. taking a shower while adjusting water temp via a remote control only ;-P16:42
* odin_ is back16:42
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: I currently have no hot water.16:42
cehtehbah .. i never succeed in uploading something to ovi. trying again now and the photos app crashes16:42
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: heeeh for L3/416:43
SpeedEvilI need also to go into the attic and try to repair/replace my hot water heater.16:43
tybolltDocScrutinizer51: Good on you son, let me know how your n900 dealt w/ being submerged into water.16:43
odin_is there a known issue when your N900 battery is flat, so you plug it into charger, wait 30 seconds, orange light slowly flashes, then I attempt to power it up and that never works16:43
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: the pointer is not documented - it's just a bit of plastic, with no electronics.16:43
Stskeepsodin_: sounds like precharge(?)16:43
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odin_I then unplug charger and wait 30 seconds and then attempt to plugin in charger again and/or power up and no nothing working... i.e. no light comes on, no indication of charging, etc...16:43
tybolltodin_: how long do you hold the pwrbtn for?16:44
cehtehodin_: wait some time16:44
odin_tybollt, maybe 10 seconds, but the white light never comes on now16:44
cehtehit may be so low that you cant boot the device16:44
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odin_ok but I have charger plugged in16:44
SpeedEvilcehteh: it should charge slowly if it's deeply discharged - according to the l3/l4 manual16:45
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tybolltodin_: also - as we did this yesterday - are you charging from an USB-outlet? Don't, if your mobile batt runs out - HAVE to charge from a wall socket to be ona safe side.16:45
cehtehif you drain it more it might even get bricked because it has not enough charge left to control the charging itself16:45
SpeedEvilcehteh: that seems tobe false.16:45
odin_tybollt, yes I am always charging from wall charger16:45
pupnik3gSpeedEvil: evil rumor?16:45
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: pointer to L3/4 (no plastic please!)  ;-)16:46
odin_I hage charger plugging in again now, and the orange light goes not come on (to indicate charging, there is no feint Nokia logo on screen, etc...) no indication of anything.... power button held down for 10 seconds yelid no change in behavor (no light comes on)16:46
SpeedEvilSee p16816:46
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: above page16:46
cehtehodin_: tried remove battery, wait a bit and reinsert it?16:47
odin_its not completely drained, it simply ran out of battery and turned itself off, that was the last normal use of it...16:47
SpeedEvilodin_: remove battery, remove charger, wait 30s, plug in battery and charger, wait 10 mins. now try starting16:47
odin_cehteh yes if I take battery out it fixed it, but thats a bug/problem16:47
odin_it does there EVERY time, its a design fault16:47
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SpeedEvilIt diddn't with me.16:48
SpeedEvilBut I've only run it flat once.16:48
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odin_the charge circuit should at least be able to both power the device and minimally charge the battery (leading the internal battery logic to protect itself)16:49
SpeedEvilIt doesn't.16:50
SpeedEvilThe device - internally - relies on the battery being present to supply power.16:50
SpeedEvilIt can never run off USB alone.16:50
SpeedEvilAs I read the docs.16:50
SpeedEvilIt will take some time for it to wake up enough to boot once deep discharged16:50
odin_the charge system should always work and the power button should always be responsive (if there is enough power in the batter to switch on)16:51
odin_so the default drained battey state is that you leabe it plugged into charger long enough you will have enough power in batt to switch on16:51
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DocScrutinizer51booting a usb powered device with flat bat is a general nightmare16:52
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odin_but it seems possible to have the N900 not charge up, even when flat and plugged into charger, which means its never responsive to power button no matter how long you wait (this is a design fault and not how other nokia phones work)16:52
SpeedEvilAs I read it - that seems to be not how the manual indicates things to happen.16:52
cehtehodin_: i dont have that problem either, mine ran flat a few times16:53
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SpeedEvilIt should immediately on plugin of the charger charge at 500mA16:53
SpeedEviland light the orange LED16:53
cehtehwhen its flat i usually dont try to boot it but plug it in for charging for 5-10 minutes at least16:53
cehtehwell any since my charger is damaged, i can use usb charging only :/16:53
odin_yes I get that, I leave it for 3 mins with orange LED, now I press power on button, the orange LED goes white (but it does not complete the full bright white with vibration), it flashes dim white for a few seconds, from this point on the LED stop working16:54
odin_from that point on it does not appear to charge anymore.... no orange LED anymode.... the LED is always off... the power button is always unresponsive16:54
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SpeedEvilThat is odd.16:55
SpeedEvilDo you happen to own a DMM?16:55
odin_DMM nope... DMM ?16:55
SpeedEvilDigital MultiMeter16:55
SpeedEvilsome measurements of battery voltage would be interesting.16:56
SpeedEvilis this  a prepreelase device?16:56
SpeedEvilyou get OK battery life?16:56
odin_BJ-5J battery, 3 terminals16:56
odin_well define "OK", as in my E72 with WLAN off, Btooth off, can do 5days plus battery life, making/reciving no calls16:57
odin_I'd never seen 36 hours with N900, with same setup16:57
Wolfiethe next firmware update will have better power saving, i've heard16:57
odin_my N900 can be drained from browsers/microB/RSS over WLAN in less than 4 hours16:58
cehtehhaving my device idle (but wlan and gsm on) may last 2-3 days ...16:58
cehtehbut there are some bugs which drain the batt faster16:58
SpeedEvil awesome. (though not n900 related)16:58
cehtehas well its easy with such a powerfull device to drain the battery compared to a simple phone16:58
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cehtehapropos printing .. how about a pict-bridge software for the n900? plug it into printer and directly print photos?17:00
pupnik3gi been chatting a while and batt still says full17:01
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SpeedEvilcehteh: I tried that - with mass-stroage mode, and it diddn't work.17:01
DocScrutinizer51cehteh: get usbhost to work and use cups :-P17:02
cehtehSpeedEvil: iirc that needs some special usb profile, but i dont know the details17:02
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DocScrutinizer51admittedly the first part being the difficult one for now17:03
cehtehDocScrutinizer51: wlan and cups would be easier17:03
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: USB is alas a complex BGA rework. :/17:03
Jef91Anyone else here do the N900 holiday rebate form?17:03
cehtehbut printing by just plug it in is what i want17:03
SpeedEvilcehteh: no - the printer does mass storage - but it diddn't work17:03
cehtehand you dont need host mode for pict-bridge  -- but only software and usb profile17:03
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* DocScrutinizer51 curses rapidshare and the fact there's no schem with L417:04
SpeedEvilceh: you can plug a mass storage device into this printer, and it will print photos.17:04
SpeedEvilcehteh: but it diddn't work with the n900 for some reason17:04
cehtehSpeedEvil: ah ok .. well i was talking about this special 'pict bridge' mode17:05
DocScrutinizer51maybe because N900 exports several mass storage volumes at once?17:05
DocScrutinizer51pict bridge is crap anyway I've been told17:06
cehtehits simple17:07
DocScrutinizer51wow  35% of dl finished17:07
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DocScrutinizer51we want schematics!!! how hard could it be to RE them?17:08
DocScrutinizer51using JTAG17:08
SpeedEvilI don't see a pictbridge printer17:09
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SpeedEvilpictbridge gadget17:09
cehtehmost cameras are17:09
SpeedEviluvc class would be fun tho17:09
cehteh(consumer cameras)17:09
SpeedEvilpictbridge gadget driver in the linux kernel17:09
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cehtehwell dunno if that needs a driver or can be purely solved in userland software .. i have no idea about its specification17:10
SpeedEvilit needs a driver.17:10
cehtehmaybe its just mass storage with some special file which enumerates the photos printed17:10
SpeedEvileverything you want the device to pretend to be - mass storage, ethernet, ... - needs to be written as a seperate gadget driver.17:11
kamuiformatted my card17:11
cehtehi really dont want to care, i am more interested in using it17:11
SpeedEvilit's not a mass storage device17:11
kamuihope this fixes the issue17:11
SpeedEvilSomeone needs to write a pictbridge driver is all.17:11
SpeedEviland then it's 'easy'17:11
SpeedEvil(for all linux devices)17:11
kamuiin fact, how do you format the MMC in the N90017:11
kamuiI dont' see any options under memory or the fileman17:11
kamuido I have to manually do it from the console?17:11
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SpeedEvilI saw it I thought in settings -> memory - but I can't seem to find it again17:12
DocScrutinizer5150%  woohoo17:12
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gouverneurcehteh: happy birthday... (was it yesterday?)17:13
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cehtehkamui: i'd cat /dev/null >some_large_file_on_emmc  until disk full and then reflash the emmc17:13
cehtehoh hi chemist17:13
cehtehyes yesterday :P17:13
Caesiumugh, woke up this morning and N900 had run out of battery :(17:14
gouverneurur realy old now hmm17:14
Caesiumcharged it up to full less than 24 hours ago17:14
cehtehkamui: the emmc firmware should take care to remap bad blocks17:14
cehtehif not then its time to send the device back17:14
DocScrutinizer51eMMC should hide bad blocks via wear leveling builtin controller. As does any usual (u)SD17:15
* Arkenoi noticed that my clanedar widget is out of sync with calendar application, how could that be?17:15
kamuicehteh, I suck, I was referring to my microsdhc card, just keep calling it an mmc since its mounted on /media/mmc117:15
Jef91Arkenoi: Reboot your device17:15
cehtehwell thats not releated to wear leveling .. but still the controller should handle it17:15
kamuimy internal memory is in great shape17:16
cehtehkamui: same there17:16
Arkenoieven more, i deleted some events, they do not appear in either one but i get alarms for it17:16
cehtehrun badblocks17:16
johnqare there applications for maemo that cache map tiles (for example from openstreetmap or google maps) on disk?17:16
ArkenoiJef91, i did, does not help17:16
* wazd is trying to resist launching "Borderlands" :(17:16
cehtehmeans write all blocks and read them .. then the controler will schedule spare blocks for any read error17:16
Jef91wazd: play it - you know you want to17:16
Jef91wazd: Its annoying the added DRM to it after the release, it was running so well under Wine :(17:17
wazdjef91: but also I want to practice After Effects :(17:17
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pupnik3gjohnq you have control with maep if you want17:19
Stskeepspupnik3g: it caches?17:19
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LuciusMarehi,how can i access sensor data? (such as accelerometer,proximity sensor or microphone) ?17:23
cehtehmostly dbus17:24
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: is the RX in proximity IR component a simple bright/dark schmitt trigger' or is it selectively sensing the carrier of same component IR TX?17:24
cehtehor querying /sys directly17:24
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: don't know17:24
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LuciusMareand how does the n900 control the autodimming? is it got a light sensor or does it use the camera?17:25
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cehtehlight sensor17:25
pupnik3gstskeeps  we can make it do anything...17:25
Arkenoi i wish i had a cable not that big and ugly.17:26
SpeedEvilLuciusMare: lightsensor17:26
LuciusMareSpeedEvil: wow, i didn't notice it anywhere,good work nokia17:26
anidelit's right next (left) the front facing camera17:27
cehtehquite near to the rim17:27
LuciusMarei thought it's the proximity sensor...17:27
cehtehright of thev front cam nit left17:28
anidelit's both17:28
cehtehleft is the proximity sensor17:28
cehtehplaced like the notification light exactly in the corner17:28
anidelcehteh, ?17:28
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LuciusMareoh and, i may report a bug, when i try to turn on the flashlight, it quickly flashes,then turns off and displays "unable to turn flashlight on"17:29
anidelcehteh, ah.. you're right17:29
Jef91Anyone else have issues with applications not wanting to access the net over wlan?17:29
cehtehLuciusMare: worksfor me17:29
Jef91My OMWeather and APNews only appear to work via my 2.5g connection17:30
gouverneurhey anidel17:30
corecode_oh the n900 can't do usb host mode?17:30
LuciusMareand i am not sure if it's caused by the lightshock,but it seems brighter to me,than the constant light before...17:31
LuciusMarecorecode_: nope17:31
gouverneurcorecode_: you r one of the fast kind?!17:31
corecode_gouverneur: well how would i know17:31
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LuciusMarei,myself had it discovered not a long time ago17:31
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* Jef91 wonders why the error that stops the code from compiling always seems to show up at the end,..17:33
corecode_gouverneur: i don't see your point17:33
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corecode_gouverneur: i just found out, didn't i?17:33
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gouverneuryou did ;)17:34
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johnqpupnik3g: does maep always save the tiles?17:34
corecode_so what's your link for then?17:34
johnqpupnik3g: it would be great if there was some kind of central tile repository that is used by all mapping applications17:34
cehtehmaep doesnt cache iirc17:34
cehtehjohnq: thats called squid :)17:34
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gouverneurit was one of the first features people recognized missing, even before the first handsets were shipped, what took you so long?17:35
corecode_gouverneur: i don't have mine yet17:35
cehtehat least here at home .. but i consider to put a squid or some other caching proxy on the device17:35
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gouverneurcorecode_: mine is somewhere in .nl I guess17:35
corecode_also i don't read n900 fanposts all day17:35
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gouverneurneither do I17:36
gouverneurwasnt to piss you of sorry17:36
corecode_so, is it really a hardware limitation?17:36
corecode_like, the usb chipset never supporting it?17:36
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johnqcehteh: but that only works if you always get the tiles from the same server17:37
gouverneurthe chipset does support it17:37
corecode_i'm thinking whether it is possible to mod it17:37
cehtehjohnq: you can make some 'prefetch' app17:37
SpeedEvilcorecode_: thechipset supports -butis not connected right17:38
cehtehjohnq: i guess that will be simpler than convincing all other guys to use a shared cache in their apps17:38
SpeedEvilcorecode_: remove one chip, add a teenybit of cooper wire, and it could. in principle.17:38
corecode_SpeedEvil: heh well17:38
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SpeedEvilcorecode_: butit's a _nasty_ rework.17:38
SpeedEvil4*4mm chip with 36 connections17:38
corecode_a bga and one pin needs to be reconnected?17:39
cehtehjohnq: btw osm is much faster than google maps here at home because i did some special hacks to my squid :)17:39
gouverneurcorecode_: they didnt connect the pin to activate hostmode, because the USB limitation says no powerinput at host-mode mounts17:39
johnqcehteh: what did you optimize?17:39
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SpeedEvilcorecode_: tied to gnd IIRC17:39
corecode_i see, i see17:39
cehtehjohnq: google does always a "DIRECT" request from their api .. while osm has a hillarious small ttl on the tiles17:39
corecode_well not so important actually17:40
corecode_food now much more important17:40
SpeedEvilGoogle - you can't legally cache the tiles17:40
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cehtehi forced the squid to ignore the ttl and put in like 5 months or so .. now the osm tiles cache perfectly while googles dont :P17:40
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SpeedEvilOSM in't a problem - unless you overload the server17:40
gouverneurcorecode_: I thought about what it would be for me to put into the usb port and I came up with a single thing, USB-DVB-t17:40
SpeedEvilat which point they ban you.17:41
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SpeedEvilgouverneur: keyboard17:41
cehtehthe osm servers are slow and have a livetime of only a few minutes or so17:41
gouverneurSpeedEvil: what for?17:41
SpeedEvilcehteh: speed varies17:41
SpeedEvilgouverneur: well - at least I want a keyb17:41
gouverneurget a BT one17:41
SpeedEvilgouverneur: or a external hard drive17:41
cehtehyes but they are never as fast as google servers17:41
cehtehbut with the caching now its awesome17:42
SpeedEvilcehteh: they have slightly less money.17:42
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gouverneurexternal harddrives powerd how?17:42
SpeedEvilgouverneur: many external drives have their own psu17:42
cehtehSpeedEvil: i would like to get some people together to setup a squids to make a distributed tilecache17:42
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SpeedEvilcehteh: #osm17:42
gouverneurand where do you plugin at the busstop?17:42
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cehtehSpeedEvil: i am contact with other osm people17:43
SpeedEvilgouverneur: there is a powerpoint under the seat.17:43
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johnqcehteh: google maps' tiles don't change as often as osm's17:43
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: ok. fig.48 doesn't look too promising wrt hostmode17:43
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: no - I've got info from someone who was talking to someone with actual schematics.17:44
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: and no, they can't.17:44
cehtehjohnq: yeah, but for a normal user it doesnt matter when osm tiles are slightly outdated and you can always do a manual reload17:44
cehtehhaving osm extremely fast is really nice17:44
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: hrrrm17:44
DocScrutinizer51what I suspected17:44
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: - mailing list post in there17:45
SpeedEviland a hell of a lot of commits by the same author17:45
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SpeedEvil(not the source of the above info)17:46
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johnqcehteh: you are right, manual reload should be enough17:48
X-Fadefrals: Added your feed to the planet.17:49
fralsX-Fade: thank you :)17:49
Jef91I feel like I'm making progress... It now fails to compile with a different error message >.<17:50
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DocScrutinizer51k now for remote controlled water torture ;-P17:50
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odin_ok I have Digital Multi-Meter now... how do I check battery voltage levels?  i.e. how do the 3 pins of the Nokia BL-5J 3.7v battey work?17:53
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X-Fadeodin_: + and - are printed on the battery?17:54
X-FadeAnway, the 3rd terminal is a resistor.17:55
odin_I see 3.68v and 3.65v between pin nearester corner of battery (which is -ve) and pin1/pin2 and pin1/pin317:55
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cehtehjohnq: if you a bored i would propose following: use lighthttp/mod_proxy/mod_cache to cache maps .. and at same make some lightweight cgi to prefetch the cache17:56
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cehtehlighthttpd is packaged for mamemo517:56
odin_opps nope corner pin1 is +ve17:56
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cehtehand squid is rather a rusty dinosauer, i doubt it will work nice on the device17:57
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xorAxAxodin_: so what do you think, what are the charging pins? the outer ones?17:57
pupnik3gman i love standing in line now!17:58
odin_put battery back in and wall socket charger... Nokia display dimly lit and orange led back after 10 seconds17:58
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cehtehodin_: some smart batteries only deliver power when their controller gets acknowledged with the host17:58
odin_is the BL-5J a "smart battery" ?17:59
cehtehbit pita to measure that .. but i dont know if cell phone batteries are of that kind17:59
odin_it seems like all the logic and smartness is on the N900 (not the battery)17:59
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xorAxAxodin_: what is ground?18:00
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odin_pin1 = +ve, pin2 = -ve(3.68v to pin1), pin3 = -ve(3.65v to pin1)18:00
xorAxAxi found the correct pins18:02
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xorAxAxthe outer two are right18:02
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xorAxAxi am using a charger from dealextreme18:03
odin_well after taking the battery out and retrying the normal process the N900 boots up18:03
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odin_but if I let batter drain/flatter from standby until it auto-powers off (then I think it could have been upto 8 hours before I plug in charger)18:04
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odin_then I plugin charger for 3 minutes (or orange LED flashing slowly), I bet if I try to power up again it will die18:04
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LuciusMarethe integrated IM client cant do away status?18:07
xorAxAxodin_: which charger are you using?18:07
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X-FadeLuciusMare: Are you really away from your phone much?18:09
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xorAxAxdoes it have DND at least?18:10
X-FadeIt has busy, yes.18:10
cehtehyou can define your own states18:10
cehteh"besetzt" in german :)18:10
xorAxAxis busy used when the phone is lying upside down on the table?18:11
cehtehnope .. i plan that for my profile switcher18:11
cehtehcurrently there is no automatic switching18:11
xorAxAxbecause you can reject calls with that gesture, i read18:11
cehtehi never tried if that works18:11
cehtehwould be also nice if that turns the mic off18:12
cehtehlemme try18:12
Andy80where can I find, in the common installed applications, an example of "menu filter" ?18:12
xorAxAxwhat are the best packages only in -devel but not in -testing?18:13
cehtehok silencing the call works18:14
Jef91xorAxAx - I would not install anything from -devel if you need your device to work18:15
xorAxAxJef91: bla bla :)18:15
Jef91Even testing can be hazy.18:15
Jef91That being said - moodlight is fun :D18:15
Jef91Just know that you have to reboot to get your camera back with after using the flash light feature18:16
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Jef91the game boy emulators are also in testing/devel are rock solid18:16
cehtehthere is a lot useful stuff in devel18:16
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cehtehyou just need to be careful with things that run permanently, damemons, widgets and stuff18:16
Jef91use and stable are not always the same thing18:16
aakashdone spam guys: Mozilla QA is holding a testday on mobile firefox rc in #testday on! Come join us on testing this browser before its released!18:16
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cehtehaakashd: performance issues solved?18:17
aakashdits better with RC2 candidate builds that i'm testing18:17
Jef91aakashd link to ffm?18:18
cehtehlast time i tried it was rather "do not want"18:18
cehtehbig and slow18:18
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cehtehno install link?18:20
odin_xorAxAx, the wall socket one that came with N900 AC-10X18:20
Corsaccehteh: has some .install18:21
Corsacbut seems that those are for “chinook” distribution18:22
cehtehdpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fennec:18:22
cehteh fennec depends on xulrunner (>= 1.9.2-20100107133804); however:18:22
cehteh  Package xulrunner is not installed.18:22
Corsac(though the packages are indeed present)18:22
cehtehCorsac: that was slow like molases18:22
Corsacand xulrunner too18:22
xorAxAxJef91: gameboy emu package names?18:23
Jef91umm vgb and vgba I think18:23
Jef91I just used the GUI18:23
Jef91to find them18:23
aakashdthose have the .install files18:24
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LuciusMareX-Fade: yes,i am.18:24
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Hukkaproving his point...18:26
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DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: odin_ : (bat) the middle pin most likely is a NTC aka thermistor to probe the bat temp. Similar to BL-5C18:28
pupnik3gJef91: can you imagine writing emulators?  like 5 of them?18:28
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cehtehok call me again when fennec is useable :/18:29
TriztOT && bit odd question, anyone having a Hi3G subscription in sweden who got it to work on their N900?18:29
xorAxAxJef91: i cannot find a gameboy emu in -devel or -testing18:31
xorAxAxdeb fremantle free non-free18:31
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xorAxAxDocScrutinizer51: hmm, i am charging via the middle contact18:31
Jef91package names are vgb18:31
Jef91and vgba18:31
xorAxAxDocScrutinizer51: are you sure its T?18:31
xorAxAxJef91: nothing found18:31
Jef91apt-cache search gb18:31
Jef91Repos are fucked up again then18:31
Jef91They really have massive bandwidth issues18:32
DocScrutinizer51xorAxAx: no, I'm not sure. Wild guessing18:32
* Jef91 installs firefox mobile browser18:33
Jef91Or not...18:33
* xorAxAx does apt-get update again18:33
ccookeJef91: hmm, I'd be interested to hear how usable that is18:34
Corsacand PR1.1 is not even out yet18:34
Corsachope they have some spare n77018:34
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Jef91xorAxAx :(18:35
mtnbkrany one know how I can add "pauses" in a dialing sequence on my N900?  It seems that the phone # entry only allows numerals  - no spaces, parentheses, dashes or commas (2sec pause) are accepted.18:35
cehtehJef91: 'or not' .. did it work for you? :)18:35
Jef91cehteh - it could not find xlrunner to install18:35
Jef91Running apt-get update now and then apt-get -f install18:36
Jef91to see if that resolves the issue18:36
cehtehsee above .. wake me when its useable18:36
Jef91lol will do18:36
cehtehand whats wrong with microb? .. works quite well for me18:36
Cy8aermtnbkr: on the n95 it was multi * (shows p then), maybe it works on the n900 too18:37
cehtehwao: Failed to fetch  404 Not Found18:37
mgedminwhy don't you use diablo?18:37
cehtehyeah the install file sucked18:37
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xorAxAxcan anybody tell me why something keeps adding broken repos to the hildon-application-manager.list because i might have used .install files with that repo?18:38
mtnbkrCy8aer: multi? is that the blue diagonal arrow?18:39
cehtehi guess the app-manager needs some iterations before its really useable18:39
Cy8aerno, type * twice when dialing (or three times)18:39
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xorAxAxcehteh: it is already in its 4th iteration18:39
cehtehThe following packages will be REMOVED:18:40
cehteh  fennec18:40
mtnbkrCy8aer: OK tried that.. it shows stars (* ) in phone number and when dialing I get the "your call can not be completed as dialed" automated message18:40
xorAxAxno, dont let it die on your device, cehteh!18:40
Jef91god damn apt-get update takes a year and a half18:40
cehtehapt-get install lynx :)18:41
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Cy8aermtnbkr: sorry I thought it works. What about "p"?18:41
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mtnbkrCy8aer: Interesting too though is that contacts that were imported all show (xxx) yyy-zzzz format (including spaces, dashes and commas (whenthere were some)18:41
Cy8aer(I do not have a device here)18:42
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RST38hmoo all18:43
mtnbkrCy8aer: only numerals seem to be accepted. (and the * # and + characters apparently :)   but then the phone appears to "dial" the character casing dialing error.18:43
DocScrutinizer51my god' that IR TX LED really needs a pimpup18:43
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cehtehDocScrutinizer51: i bet there are IR leds with the power and packaging like the flash leds :)18:46
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cehtehtv-b-gone for the whole block :)18:46
Cy8aermtnbkr: - maybe this helps.18:46
siriusnovaim gonna watch Aliens :D18:47
cehteh*brrtzt* :)18:48
Jef91anyone here ever install clisp in scratchbox before?18:48
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Arkenoicehteh: i had an old idea of taking IR laser from cd burner, coupling it with laser pointer optics and attaching to remote control software ;-)18:51
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corecode_i wonder... do sdhc cards do wear levelling?18:51
cehtehcorecode_: yes they do18:51
cehtehnope must do18:51
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corecode_what about the eMMC in the n900?18:51
cehtehwith SLC flash you have no chance18:51
cehteher MLC18:51
Jef91LOL. So I just ran ./configure for a package18:51
Jef91and after it finished it read "Now run make - Good Luck"18:52
corecode_i've read that before18:52
corecode_which package?18:52
cehtehwithout proper error correction and wear leveling you are almost impossible to make reliable devices18:52
corecode_cehteh: i figured18:52
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cehtehso the cheaper the cells the more advanced the software/firmware has to be18:53
Jef91corecode_ libsigsegv-dev18:53
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cehtehwhile i sometimes wonder if it wont be simpler just to use flash without wear leveling and replace blocks as soon they weared out, just needs well enough error correction18:54
corecode_cehteh: yea, boring though.  was thinking of a software that exports a vfat fs transparently from any other given fs18:54
cehtehcorecode_: qemu has some 'virtual fat driver'18:54
Jef91"Now run make check - Hope it Works"18:54
cehtehiirc readonly only .. making that readwrite and a generic project would be dman cool18:55
corecode_cehteh: ah sad, all of this already exists18:55
cehtehcorecode_: dunno if its pulled back or still exist18:55
corecode_i'm behind times18:55
corecode_AND i'm hungry18:55
corecode_bad combination18:55
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pupnik3gRST38h: the us prohibited armed passengers in the 70s iirc19:02
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RST38hpupnik: Which, of course, never gonna stop a really determined nutcase19:04
Shadikkanever gonna...19:04
Trizthow can I get hold of build version 2.2009.47-20 or later?19:04
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pupnik3ggreat article.  check out the interviews with Becky Akers19:04
VDVsxTrizt, break into Nokia's office19:04
TriztVDVsx; Thats not likely, don't live in Tampere19:05
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* Trizt has a subscription he can't use19:06
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VDVsxTrizt, I heard they've offices also in helsinki and oulu19:06
TriztThose as far away for me19:06
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VDVsxTrizt, 3 sim card ?19:06
* Trizt nods19:06
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DocScrutinizer51cehteh: yup. something like that bugger19:08
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mtnbkrCy8aer: funny that if you use the on-screen k/b to enter a phone number, and hit the 'alphabet' button all characters are greyed out except the "P" which allows me to type in a pause.   I'll check into and see if there is a bug for this not working on hardware k/b   thanks for the link!19:08
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Dassuis there a possibility that a kernel install might brick the N900?19:10
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Cy8aermtnbkr: the p pauses for a second I guess?19:11
wazdquick question for ingleesh grammar-nazi19:11
DocScrutinizer51cehteh: I'm pondering whether to use a 10° or a 60° type.Also some more details relating the way N900 is driving that LED were quite nice19:12
Triztare there a flasher for PPC Linux?19:12
RST38hwazd: answer: execute!19:12
wazdRST38h: oh :(19:12
* VDVsx - >
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cehtehDocScrutinizer51: yeah .. the driver is the weakest part of the chain19:13
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cehtehDocScrutinizer51: also important is the exact wavelength, some receivers have quite narrow bands19:13
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cehteh(or at least have filters in front)19:14
DocScrutinizer51cehteh: no big deal to find 3V3 and cram a FET and a 100uF inside next to the LED. Anyway...19:14
wazdis there a word that means the effect of dancing lights on the surface underwater? :)19:15
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wazdlike... refraction or something :)19:15
RST38hwazd: I can only think of "flicker"19:15
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DocScrutinizer51not in German19:15
RST38hwazd: You would be surprised, but Google answered19:16
RST38hwazd: The scientific term is of course diffusion, but you can pick more here:
wazdRST38h: bah19:17
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DocScrutinizer51RST38h: how hard would it be to delete/remove the close button for chan tabs on xchat?19:17
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RST38hDoc: Dunno, probably not hard. But why?19:17
wazdRST38h: well, that's more like "diffusion projection" :)19:18
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RST38hwazd: Depends on whether you are takling about 3D effect or 2D (i.e. light reflecting off the bottom)19:18
cehtehRST38h: where you able to reproduce my bug report?19:18
RST38hcehteh: Nope. Works for me.19:19
DocScrutinizer51diffusion is to the phenomenon we're talking bout like dust is to mountains19:19
cehtehRST38h: fails always for me19:19
wazdRST38h: 2D19:19
cehtehwell not really a fail, but there is something wrong19:19
RST38hDoc: That is what people call it, anyway19:19
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wazdRST38h: see all those light waves on the bottom?) They are dancing :)19:20
cehtehwhat was the shortcut for a screen capture?19:20
RST38hwazd: Ah19:20
RST38hwazd: moire patterns19:20
Corsac“so long and thanks for all the fish”19:20
MaemohammadAG__cehteh ctrl shift p19:20
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smharI have a question about n900. I used to have a 9300i communicator and it had a very nice and important feature that I did not find in any other nokia model. In phone book, when saving a contact with all the mobiles, phones, faxes, emails, home and company addresses, notes and other information, you can search for a particular name by almost anything.19:21
RST38hcehteh: Have you tried deleting .xchat2?19:21
ceh900lemme try19:21
Corsacsmhar: doesn't work19:21
cehtehRST38h: yes19:21
smharI know you can create groups for this but it is much much easier that way19:21
Corsacsmhar: there's an open bug for that19:21
RST38hcehteh: The I have not a slightest idea.19:21
cehtehRST38h: thats certainly some of-by one calculatin somewhere19:21
DocScrutinizer51moiree is quite good19:22
RST38hcehteh: copies and pastes just fine here19:22
cehtehRST38h: note that i turned indent and delimiter line of19:22
cehtehnot copy paste, just display error19:22
smharCorsac, you know the bug number?19:22
cehtehi make a screenshot to show the effect19:22
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cehtehwhere are screenshots saved? :)19:23
SpeedEvilIIRC same dir as photos19:23
RST38hOh, shit, Nokia is going the Motorola's path...19:23
Mouseywonder if nokia will come out with a better tablet to rival the islate19:24
Mouseyi've always said the n810 shoulda been bigger19:24
* Mousey waves fist19:24
Arkenoismhar, dunno why, but s60 missed this feature as well19:24
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RST38hSelling more cheaper phones19:24
cehtehwaah crahed19:24
cehtehcrashed .. reboot19:24
RST38hThat is the Motorola's path that led it pretty much to the brink of oblivion19:24
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SpeedEvilRST38h: they have lots and lots of cheap phones19:25
Shrike900Hi all. I've just ssh'd from my mac to my N900 to run irc. This stuff is so awesome.19:25
RST38hSpeed: Well they do, but what Motorola has done is relying completely on the volume, slashing margins19:25
smharArkenoi, I know. I searched the all. is it this difficult to add?! I this it is an important feature for a business model19:25
RST38hSpeed: Pretty much destroyed itself19:25
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RST38hSpeed: Ended up as a manufacturer of cheap shitty handsets that most people do not want but get for free with the contract19:26
|RRST38h: I don't see nokia going that way voluntarily19:26
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DocScrutinizer51RST38h: last thing I heard was Nokia doesnMt have a decent balance *because* the lots of cheap phones they sell - they're cheap U know ;-). So Nokia plans to go Internet services19:26
SpeedEvilRST38h: what did y9u mean by the above statement.19:26
|Rthey might get forced into that if they screw up though19:26
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Arkenoishmar: it is widely requested so i hope it will be added someday19:27
RST38hDoc: Yea. Right. Internet Services.19:28
RST38hGoing to compete with Apple and Google, right? :)19:28
DocScrutinizer51yup :-S19:28
DocScrutinizer51itMs called OVI ;-D19:29
cehtehehm .. now .. how do i get the screenshots to a server ... why doesnt ovi sharing not work for me? .. fsck19:29
RST38hWon't it be easier to just disband the company right away?19:29
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smharArkenoi, good, at least I know now I am not alone in this :-)19:31
SpeedEvilrst why '(05:23:38 PM) RST38h: Oh, shit, Nokia is going the Motorola's path...' tho?19:31
wazdyaaaarrr! My brain's exploding :(19:31
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Corsacsmhar: b.m.o is down again so no I can't really tell you :/19:34
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cehtehits a quiz: do you see the difference? :)19:36
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xorAxAxa space character, cehteh19:37
cehtehits not a space character but rather some text rendering bug19:37
smharbtw, how do you pronounce maemo19:38
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xorAxAxnot very finnish ...19:38
xorAxAxwhy does ae sound like ö?19:38
smharArkenoi, bmo is working19:39
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cehtehyou better ask some finnish guys for the pronuncation19:41
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samppahehe mömmö :D19:41
adeusae is ä19:41
adeusoe ö19:41
xorAxAxthere is no diarhesis on the e,Corsac19:41
LaiskaMömmö :D19:41
Laiskagotta remember that19:42
xorAxAxhmm, does it mean vagina? :)19:42
Wolfiei pronounce it like "mae-moh"19:42
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LaiskaWolfie: same here..19:42
Wolfiei mean "mae-moe"19:42
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zashWolfie: malmö?19:43
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xorAxAxceh900: hail mömmö19:43
Meizirkkiälämölö is "loud bad noise"19:43
Wolfiezash: nope, that's a city19:43
xorAxAxso, two different versions19:43
xorAxAxwho is working for nokia here?19:43
pupnik_many of us ;)19:44
cehtehbetter ask "who is working for nokia marketing here" ...19:44
adeusno one dares to admit that19:44
pupnik_i love nokia!19:44
* Trizt hates Nokia Shop19:45
cehtehbut on the other hand i think no one working for nokia has the courage to join this channel :)19:45
adeusnokia is a city19:45
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adeusnear tampere19:45
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cehtehfor nokia marketing19:45
cehtehi mean19:45
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Triztadeus; don't forget that it smells badly in Nokia19:45
pupnik_they make devices that run linux.  that is GOOD19:45
cehtehpupnik_: devices running linux is not per-se good19:45
SpeedEvilcehteh: yes it is.19:46
cehtehnot if its a closed propietary ripoff19:46
SpeedEvilcehteh: non-open devices aren't as good - but even they tend to mean at least some kernel support19:46
smharArkenoi, , the bug title/summary doesn't tell that but the comments do19:46
cehtehnah .. i dont want someone not respecting the open source licenses and then force me to hack into the device i payed for even if thats possible19:47
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SpeedEvilthat's a seperate issue, and there are clear paths to follow in that case.19:48
simula_some company creating linux devices invests in salaries of folks savvy in linux... which i would say is good.  doesn't mean i'm going to buy the device :)19:48
* SpeedEvil hands cehteh his pitchfork and burning torch.19:48
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simula_i personally wouldn't buy a tivo, but i'm glad they build their platform on linux19:48
Jef91Ok, now this source code is irking me19:48
Jef91When I compile it just using make19:48
Jef91it compiles with out issue19:48
Jef91but when I try to compile it to deb it fails19:49
adeusrules file fails19:49
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HexagoonJef: What's the output?19:50
Jef91the package he is suggesting I install I already have installed... So it must just function different under Maemo than it does on Ubuntu/Debian19:51
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andre__Jef91: we! want! output! -> pastebin.org19:52
Jef91output is posted at the url I just linked to19:52
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andre__ah. sorry19:53
andre__Jef91, but that's only one line?19:53
andre__urr, screenshot output?! if you past text as text instead of pictures, it can be used by search engines ;-)19:54
Jef91andre__ I was using putty to ssh19:54
Jef91it does not have copy/paste19:54
Jef91thus the one line typed followed by a screen shot19:54
andre__so which libgsf version is installed/19:55
Jef91I'm not a totally nooby ;)19:55
Jef91Umm *checks*19:55
andre__and which one is required by what you want to install ( or .ac)?19:55
pupnik_Jef91: you are on the road to awesomeness19:55
andre__I assume that maemo has a way older version of libgsf-devel that does not offer this gsf-*-gio.h yet19:55
xorAxAxah, vgb is only in armel19:56
Jef91andre__ ahh that makes sense, how do I check the version of a package I have installed?19:56
Jef91pupnik - thats if I ever get anywhere haha. I'm trying to port 3 programs and they are all hitting road blocks at various points xD19:56
andre__Jef91: dpkg -l packagename19:57
andre__or "dpkg -l | grep gsf" might cover it better19:57
adeusor apt-cache policy19:58
Jef91Version 1.14.11-119:58
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Jef91My netbook actually gets longer battery use life than my n900 does >.<20:01
andre__Jef91, of what?20:01
andre__please e exact...20:01
Triztanyone know when next firmware are expected to be released? would know how long it takes before having a phone with which one can call20:01
RST38hJef: What is the weight?20:01
andre__Trizt, bug ID?20:02
andre__Trizt, Nokia does not announce firmware release dates in advance.20:02
Jef91andre__ libgsf-1-dev20:02
andre__Jef91, and you try to compile which tarball from where?20:02
Jef91Abiword 2.8.1 from abisource.com20:03
Triztandre__; #531520:03
greenflymy n900 battery life dramatically improved when I stopped being logged in to aim and skype the whole time20:04
greenflysomething about those plugins must have polled their respective servers a lot20:04
andre__Trizt: uhm, that ugly one. yeah, I can understand :-/20:04
Jef91greenfly: Mine N900 gets around 6 hours of use20:05
Jef91My netbook gets around 820:05
Trizthad been good if the Nokia marketing had been able to tell that20:05
andre__Trizt: so in or, is there a version check for gsf?20:05
matthew-greenfly: same20:05
matthew-switch wifi/3g off20:05
pupnik_as soon as i see or, my blood pressure rises20:05
matthew-Jef91: my laptop gets 6-8h of use20:05
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Triztandre__; I think you ment Jef9120:06
Jef91I saw :)20:06
andre__Trizt, oops, true :)20:06
Jef91Checking now andre__20:06
RST38hOh yesssssss20:06
andre__too many conversations at the same time :)20:06
RST38hOh gooooooooood20:06
greenflyJef91: I get basically a day's minimal->medium use20:06
greenflymoderate use I get the majority of a day, let's say 14-16 hrs20:06
greenflyI used to get maybe 6 hrs20:07
RST38hBut you won't argue you would like that for N900? ;)20:07
greenflyexperimented and tracked it down to those telepathy plugins20:07
andre__greenfly, there's but that one is quite... unhelpful20:07
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pupnik_i just chatted irssi and kept map application open.  got 5 hours on n900.  i thought that was pretty good20:07
andre__greenfly, feel free to comment though by adding your findings20:07
cehtehRST38h: better a bluetooth set20:07
greenflyandre__: ok20:07
RST38hcehteh: I am not sure if this one is bt or not20:07
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cehtehwell i mean independent20:08
Jef91andre__ I don't see one listed there no20:08
cehtehor x2x and xscreen forwarding over wlan like i sometimes do with the laptop20:08
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pupnik_how is it possible for a little device to hold a connection constantly with towers far away...20:08
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Jef91andre__ No - none listed20:09
Jef91pupnik - magix20:09
cehtehpupnik_: simply because connections are not constat20:09
Jef91pupnik - magik*20:09
pupnik_i had irssi open the whole time20:09
cehtehwell 3g if you use data is, but then you see how sloppy it is20:09
pupnik_seemed pretty constant to me20:09
Jef91What 3g speeds do you all see on the N900?20:10
Jef91I have AT&T atm and the 2.5g is sooo slow. I'm wondering if it is worth changing20:10
pupnik_i was surfing like at home20:10
cehtehi have only gsm on anyways20:10
pupnik_standing in line shopping20:10
pupnik_people staring20:10
andre__Jef91, sounds like a bug20:11
Caesiumpupnik_: seriously? nobody seems to give two shits when I get my N900 out in the checkout queue :)20:11
Caesiumare you in a particularly deprived area where nobody has a phone? ;)20:11
Jef91andre__ Same thing happens under the lastest 3 source downloads for me20:12
pupnik_germany.  maybe it's the keyboard and rattling off text and browsing.  just not common here.20:12
pupnik_i've never seen anyone do it ever20:13
cehtehi wish the phone could report how much power it consumes in any state20:13
CaesiumI used to use E90 + putty + irssi in the checkout queue, but it was so slow and cumbersome, by the time I got to my irssi I was almost at the front of the queue :P20:13
t_s_obig bird wallpaper preloaded on N900?20:13
Caesiumwith N900 it feels so much easier and slicker20:13
pupnik_anybody can make a new back cover to allow two batteries in device?20:13
SpeedEvilpupnik_: yes20:14
Caesiumor one bigger battery would be nice20:14
Caesiumdon't mind it being a bit thicker :)20:14
Jef91Oh yea - cause the N900 isn't big enough >.<20:14
pupnik_or just carry a spare20:14
CaesiumJef91: nobody would force you to use it :)20:14
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xorAxAxjust take a second battery, pupnik_20:14
pupnik_2 batteries = 10 hours under heavy use20:14
Caesiumswitch off the N900?!  :/20:14
t_s_oi am surprised nokia have not made a phone with hotswap battery ability20:14
Caesiumbut but, my uptime ;p20:14
smharis there an advanced calculator for n90020:14
cehtehexternal battery case to dock to the usb port20:15
Jef91smhar: There is a TI85 emulator20:15
pupnik_nah that is ugly cehteh20:15
SpeedEvilsmhar: ti42 something is on hte repos\20:15
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Jef91smhar I am currently working on porting Maxima, but odds are that is going to be another week or so20:15
t_s_ohell, i am surprised so few "mobile" products do not feature hot swap20:15
cehtehpupnik_: but limitless ... you can hook a car lead accu to it :)20:15
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Jef91Wait - if I plug my N900 in, can I swap the battery without it going off?20:16
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t_s_ough, double negative kicks in, sorry about that...20:16
cehtehJef91: no20:16
SpeedEvilJef91: no20:16
Jef91Thats a damn shame.20:16
arachnistt_s_o: just tried it. no20:16
|Rwell mugen may be making a back cover and this poped up yesterday on the forum20:16
fluxthat has always annoyed me about nokia phones. can't work without battery.20:16
arachnistN900 is not a thinkpad20:16
arachnistthough it is black, like most of them20:16
Jef91arachnist - well it should be20:16
cehtehi would opt for a extension slot, like a usb stick or cf card where one can exchange, vibrator, extra battery, better gps, ...20:17
smharJef91, I am not in a hurry, I got myself N97 before N900 was announced, and it will be at least a couple of months before I get one. I am also waiting for them to release one with an arabic keyboard20:17
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Jef91smhar very good. I should have it up and running by then thehehe. Maxima is very nice, almost as good as Maple IMO20:18
blizzowsmhar: I had the N97 and disliked it a lot. I complained to Nokia enough that they offered me an N900 as a replacement for the N97.  It's the best move I ever made.20:18
flux|r, I really hope they would also have a better stand in the new back cover, but I guess it's not likely20:18
blizzowDo yourself a favor and drop the n97 under the sea.20:18
arachnistJef91: well, getting a N900-alike phone, but with a matte screen and a red nipple right next to the screen would be interesting20:19
Jef91Thehehe, what I would love is something with the Nexus One specs that ran on Maemo20:20
arachnistnexus one is a no-go for me. it lacks a hardware keyboard20:20
Jef91arachnist Ditto.20:20
arachnistand the motorola droid/milestone lacks a decent hardware keyboard20:20
Jef91I just like the half gig of RAM20:20
Jef91and 1ghz processor20:20
Jef91But it lacks a keyboard and internal storage20:21
|Rflux: we'll see how it integrates :/20:21
arachnistJef91: my router has 512MB of ram and 1.2GHz arm cpu20:21
arachnistJef91: and yet, the cpu is slower than the one in N90020:21
Jef91arachnist: My router is a 2wire :P20:21
arachnist(the arm in my router is armv5tejl)20:21
DocScrutinizer51you got N900. What more do you need?20:21
Jef91DocScrutinizer51 - an app store and a firmware update?20:22
DocScrutinizer51app store?? eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek20:22
arachnistapp store is a must-have to make the phone mainstream20:23
pupnikany of us could set up an app store20:23
Jef91DocScrutinizer51 - Even though I would not use it, in order to gain market it needs an App Store20:23
Jef91people expect it20:23
Jef91And once they come for the app store20:23
Jef91they will stay for the free software20:23
Jef91and eventually forget about paying for stupid shit20:23
arachnistthough the app store available on winmo phones is a fail20:23
Jef91arachnist - key word there is win-mobile20:24
DocScrutinizer51so let's hope ovi never finishes appstore. I don't want a mainstream phone ;-P20:24
Jef91arachnist Its one of the worst OSes out there20:24
blizzowI imagine the successor to the N900 will sport a capacitive screen 1GB RAM, similar keyboard, little better camera, >1Ghz cpu, and maybe a better battery.20:24
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arachnistblizzow: capacitive? i actually like the n900 for having a resistive screens20:24
arachnistin winter, temperatures here actually drop well below 0C20:25
Meizirkkii bet N900 successor will have PowerVR SGX20:25
Jef91blizzow Yea, resistive touch screen is my only complaint about the n90020:25
glass_yeah -2620:25
DocScrutinizer51arachnist: +1 for r-ts20:25
glass_and snowing icy crap20:25
glass_resistive took it ok..20:25
arachnistand being able to use your phone in hand gloves is actually an advantage20:25
angasuleWorkhi :-) can anyone recommend a map thingie that uses OSM data, not the rendered tiles?20:26
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DocScrutinizer51using a pinpoint stylus is the killer advantage of r-ts20:26
arachnistthe only use for a stylus for me, is to get the back cover off20:26
blizzowIf I hand my girlfriend my phone, she can't figure it out because she doesn't like to press the screen.  I'm mixed about capacitive.  I like to use less pressure myself, and would like to see multitouch capabilities too.  But I also use it in cold weather and with gloves.20:27
RST38hglass: apparently, local metrosexuals are forced to operate iPhones with their noses in winter =)20:27
arachnistblizzow: don't worry. nokia has a patent on resistive multitouch20:27
glass_RST38h: it wont work if snot gets on it20:27
blizzowThat would be cool to see.20:27
angasuleWorki like the unscratchability of capacitibe, but stylus++20:27
RST38hglass: At those temperatures, the snot is already solid.20:27
DocScrutinizer51mt is no genuine property of c-ts20:28
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DocScrutinizer51can be done on r-ts as well20:28
RST38hglass: Not sure what they do to avoid salivating on theirsss preciousss though20:28
* Jef91 takes a break from trying to compile before he chucks his netbook off the desk at work20:28
arachnistDocScrutinizer51: not in an easy manner20:28
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DocScrutinizer51yes. in an easy manner20:28
blizzowHas a successor to the N900 been announced yet?20:28
RST38hblizzow: Yes20:28
blizzowWhat is it?20:29
RST38hblizzow: it's named T200020:29
angasuleWorkjef91: your work computer is a netbook?20:29
zaheer_successor is nokia 211020:29
Jef91I work at a very boring deskjob, bring my netbook with to do personal work on during down time.20:29
angasuleWorkRST38h: let me guess, liquid metal?20:29
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blizzowRST38h: Will it terminate any Iphones?20:29
RST38hangasule: and lasers20:29
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* DocScrutinizer51 goes search for his 16y old 211020:30
blizzowThe 2110 is a sexy beast.20:30
Myrttifriggin lasers!20:31
RST38hand shaped as hello kitty20:32
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SpeedEvil\i had the quite similar
SpeedEvilphilips c1220:33
Jef91N900 takes awhile to extract a 350meg archive20:33
adeus4 out of 5 from 0 ratings20:34
DocScrutinizer51Jef91: Me too ;-)20:34
blizzowI don't see anything about Nokia announcing new hardware during their keynote.  Looks like they spent most of their time talking about apps/software for 3rd world nations and paying for stuff.20:34
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ArkenoiDocScrutinizer51, actually
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angasuleWorkso... OSM map? any ideas :-D20:36
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DocScrutinizer51wow that one is cuuuute ;-D20:36
Jef91Anyone be able to give me a hand figuring out how to get clisp installed on the maemo sdk? -
DocScrutinizer51kinda resembles those iridium phones of moto roller20:37
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RST38hkonttori: Here?20:40
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arachnisthas the nintendo/emulators issue been resolved?20:41
Jef91arachnist - I think so.20:42
arachnisti see some emulators in the repos20:42
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* Jef91 is playing his Pokemon on the n900 right now20:42
arachnistJef91: which ones? red/green/crystal/whatever?20:43
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Jef91Crystal. I do not recognize that the market continued after said version20:43
pupnikthe nice thing about emulators is they never can handle current systems20:43
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arachnistJef91: there were some versions after that. at least one for the DS20:44
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Jef91arachnist - Yea and they all sucked. Too many strange pokemon20:44
Jef91They stopped making sense after 251, and even some of the last 100 where a stretch20:44
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tank-manre: current systems, not true, I have heard of a wii emulator on the pc20:45
* DocScrutinizer51 considers to give dosbox plus Elite (Braben) a try on N900 20:45
pupnikexception proves the rule20:45
ArkenoiDocScrutinizer51, never owned one, my first communicator was 9000i in 1998, so i missed being an early adopter about 3 years (the 1996 date is probably wrong, first 700lx are circa 1995 and fall 1996 is when 9000 was introduced)20:45
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fralsgroar, why cant people read through a thread if its only 20 posts in it *curses*20:47
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Jef91frals Because anything longer than a page is too much20:47
fralsyeah obviously >_<20:47
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LuciusMaregreat, the new flaslight applet is borken20:48
pobegawhat issue is that?20:48
arachnisti remember some old nokia communicators being based on windows CE20:48
arachnist(or at least, they looked so)20:48
fluxwasn't it something like GEM?20:48
pobegaJef91: I'm playing Gold right now :D I couldn't get a timepatched Crystal.20:50
LuciusMarewhen i try to turn it on, it flashes and turns off, and says unable to turn on flashlight. when i turn on camera app,it also flashes briefly,then,after i close it the flaslight applet works for 2 seconds,then crashes again.20:50
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare: what's broken?20:50
LuciusMareflashlight applet20:51
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare: except the fact it nukes all nonstd systray gadgets and you need to reboot to recover20:51
arachnistinstalling scim-anthy seems to take quite a bit time20:51
LuciusMareuh huh20:51
arachnisthope it won't fail20:51
LuciusMarei dont want to reboot!20:51
Jef91haha very good pobega - what do you mean timepatched?20:52
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arachnisthmm. "mkworddic -f /etc/anthy/dict.args"20:53
arachnistit could come shipped with this dictionary generated20:53
johnq_the icon for my application is only displayed for the shortcut on the desktop but not in the list of applications. what can be the reason for that?20:53
johnq_what are the requirements for these icons?20:53
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* Jef91 is going to kill the N900 repos20:54
n900userhi fennec doesent work on my n900. installed it over the repo,but no luck20:54
DocScrutinizer51johnq_: something similar to corresponding mimetype or sth?20:55
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Jef91n900user also does not work me20:57
Jef91thats so odd20:57
Jef91that certain features of my n900 refuse to get online via my wlan20:57
Jef91but work fine via the 2.5g20:57
AWBENhi all20:58
arachnistJef91: which ones?20:58
johnq_DocScrutinizer51: mimetype correspoding to what?20:58
Jef91apt-get, OMWeather, and AP News20:58
Jef91Pidgin and my browser work fine however20:58
AWBENonly for information. an access with the n900 on a nfs server is possible.... it works20:59
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DocScrutinizer51johnq_: no idea. just wild guessing20:59
ml-N900Jef91 try changing up the wifi power save settings20:59
johnq_ok ;-)20:59
Jef91ml-N900 where is that located?21:00
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ml-N900under the internet connections, in the wifi config for the specific connection21:00
DocScrutinizer51johnq_: on illume (on OM Freerunner) the icons need a proper set of 'cathegory: foo,bar,...'21:00
johnq_ah, got it21:01
johnq_Icon: does not expect a filename (or path) but only the name of some icon without path or extension21:01
pobegaJef91: because VGB doesn't support the GSC clock (from what I can tell)21:01
DocScrutinizer51johnq_: :-)21:02
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pierluxhow much time does it take for a new package uploaded to maemo-extra-devel to be in maemo-extra-devel ?21:06
DocScrutinizer51pierlux: see backscroll for comment of X-Fade21:07
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Jef91Is there a g++ package for the n900?21:09
pierluxDocScrutinizer51, I have to backscroll how long? I am not seeing him in todays scroll21:09
DocScrutinizer51152549 <X-Fade> frals: Normally it should be there quite soon, but not at the moment.21:11
pierluxah because an update to an existing package I did 2 days ago was instant21:12
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simula_Jef91... yes21:19
simula_Jef91, it's in one of the other repos though21:20
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Jef91any idea which one?21:20
* Jef91 was about to recompile it himself21:20
simula_look at this thread Jef91:
Jef91is it optifyed?21:22
simula_not when i last snagged it21:22
Gadgetoid_mbpHas anyone ported linux to the N900 yet?21:22
ShadowJKit would be in the armel sdk repo.. but it's not really designed for use on n900, and it'll eat space on rootfs of course..21:22
simula_i wasn't able to compile the qt sdk with it though :P21:23
DocScrutinizer51are new versions of apps that are freshly optified care about 'optifying the past' means clean rootfs?21:23
angasuleworkgadgetoid_mbp, maemo *is* linux21:23
simula_or at least, i wasn't able to in the time i gave myself :)21:23
Gadgetoid_mbpLies angasulework, linix is all black and white, text and stuff.. maemo has too many graphics21:24
angasuleworkoh, right hehe21:24
DocScrutinizer51s/care/taking care/21:24
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: are new versions of apps that are freshly optified taking care about 'optifying the past' means clean rootfs?21:24
Gadgetoid_mbpI keep trying to turn my N900 on using the lock slider, my poor brain21:24
Gadgetoid_mbpDid the same with my N810... and panicked when it didn't turn on21:25
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DocScrutinizer51Gadgetoid_mbp: I seem to never have shut down my N810 for 2 years now :-P  I feel with you nevertheless21:26
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Gadgetoid_mbpI wonder if there's a patch for owning a PSP and Dingoo21:27
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angasuleworkok, installing freeciv, good thing there seems to be no nethack package21:28
Anidelanyone working on porting Lucidor(.org) to Maemo ?21:29
Jef91When I am viewing a webpage on my n90021:29
Jef91is there a way I can highlight text on the page?21:29
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DocScrutinizer51Jef91: slide from left into scree21:30
DocScrutinizer51hit cursor symbol t cross it out21:30
GeneralAntillesangasulework, Vulture's Eye should be in Extras.21:31
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DocScrutinizer51Swipe finger from the left of the screen (outside of screen), ...21:32
angasuleworkgeneralantilles, is that gui only?21:35
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Jef91thanks Doc*21:39
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Andy80since #pymaemo seems quite dead... is here anyone that can help me with a simple python-gtk problem?21:40
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lizardoAndy80: shoot :) someone will try to help if possible21:41
lizardoAndy80: either #pymaemo or #maemo is ok for Python discussion IMHO21:42
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adeusin any case, start with the question21:42
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adeusnot with a metaquestion21:42
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Flandryhas anyone built poppler with qt support?21:46
luke-jrI probably have. but you mean for Maemo?21:46
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andre__Trizt, Re Bug 5315: Feel free to vote for
Andy80oh... about Qt... is there any problem with the repository for N900?21:48
Andy80I was trying to install an application yesterday (Google Latitude, available in extras-devel)21:48
Andy80but it bothered about missing qt 4.5...21:49
andre__Trizt, see comment 47.21:49
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fralsanyone else noticed how the n900 becomes really sluggish when its somewhat cold?21:51
fralslike, around -15C21:51
sulxit's not unusual21:52
angasuleworkwhy is that?21:52
SpeedEvilI've only used it at ~6C ambient for long perionds.21:52
sulxit's just the screen21:52
arachnist <| lol (might be offensive: middle-finger gesture)21:52
Andy80frals: -15C :P ????21:52
angasuleworkLCDs suck in general21:52
angasuleworkandy: what's so odd?21:53
fralsyeah, almost got a decent winter here in stockholm ;)21:53
arachnistfrals: didn't notice it at around -10C here21:53
Andy80angasulework: it's so cold :D21:53
sulx-15 is nothing21:53
sulxunder -30 here today21:53
angasuleworkhumidity matterss21:53
Andy80we have 10C° here now (Tuscany, Italy)21:53
* RST38h glares at And8021:54
adeus-22C right now21:54
arachnistwe had -20C here few weeks ago21:54
angasuleworkah, ciao :D We had 29 here today21:54
arachnist(warsaw, poland)21:54
angasuleworkI'm in buenos aires21:54
SpeedEvilbeen -22C today in scotland21:54
sulx200km from here it topped o -3721:55
adeusand they're spooked21:55
adeuswe are just mildly annoyed21:55
konttoriIf anybody is interested in how n900 behaves in cold, just put it to freezer for half and hour, take it out and test how it works. Especially keyboard starts to be sluggish from -15 onwards.21:55
SpeedEvilthough -6 only here21:55
sulxadeus: might even need to change shorts to something longer21:55
SpeedEvilkonttori: how ar eyou thinking keyboard?21:55
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angasuleworkkonttori, my freezer has a water leak :-P21:55
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SpeedEvil\i would expect the vibrator and lcd to slow down at that temp21:56
SargunIs there any way to prevent my n900 from connecting to GPRS/EDGE/GSM data?21:56
SpeedEvilso unless you're listening to the keyclick, you will have a false impression21:56
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SpeedEvilSargun: set it to always ask21:56
adeusif the scotts change their kilts to something warmer, won't the sheep then hear them coming? :)21:56
RST38hkonttori: the cpu self heats to about 37C21:56
konttoriWell, I have been texting often while waiting for the tram, or while walking to the office. So, kb usage starts to feel quite different from -15 on21:56
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RST38hkonttori: so it is not that bad21:56
SpeedEvilkonttori: fingers freezing?21:57
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RST38hkonttori: Got a dev question though21:57
adeusI think I'll go to a sauna to warm up21:57
RST38hkonttori: Is hw scaling (i.e. hildon_actor) supposed to work in PR1.0?21:57
angasuleworkhow's stockholm job-wise? I'm thinking of moving northwards21:57
SargunCan the N900 do USB host mode, and if so, how?21:58
angasuleworkI'll probably go to the Netherlands21:58
konttoriwow, I really like this post:
SpeedEvildefinately not unfortunately.21:58
SpeedEvilThe phy chip is not wired correctly for it.21:58
Arkenoiso, koffice seems to be vapourware still? anyone aware about any progress there?21:59
angasuleworkkoffice2 formaemo?21:59
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pupniki think ppl screaming for portrait are really strange22:02
pupniklandscape is just more pratical22:03
GeneralAntillespupnik, indeed.22:03
GeneralAntillespupnik, it's probably a function of what you're used to, though.22:03
DocScrutinizer51Sargun: so stick with FR for that... ;-)22:03
jhfordwhat is an erase block in terms of mtd and flash storage?22:03
GeneralAntillesWe've been using Maemo since forever, so we're used to landscape.22:03
SargunDocScrutinizer51, haha22:03
pupnikbeen using *computers* for forever22:04
SargunDocScrutinizer51, I thought we talked about how mine died22:04
jhfordportrait is a more natural orientation for single handed use22:04
GeneralAntillesThey've been using useless crappy platforms for forever, so they're used to portrait. ;)22:04
jhfordbut maemo feels weird portrait as it is more of a computer than a phone22:04
DocScrutinizer51Sargun: seems I forgot :-(22:04
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angasuleworki think portrait would be nice for arkanoid22:04
SargunDocScrutinizer51, actually, two of mine died.22:05
Sargunthe battery fried.22:05
pupnikyeah why doesnt n900 support fax and teletype22:05
DocScrutinizer51Sargun: ouch22:05
GeneralAntillespupnik, COLOR fax.22:05
* Sargun wonders the best way to connect his n900 to the network22:06
SpeedEviljhford: you have to erase 128k blocks at a time of flash22:06
SpeedEviljhford: typically. this sets the bits to 0xff22:06
angasuleworksargun, wifi?22:06
pupnikif you reallz want portrait maybe palm pre is the thing22:06
jhfordSpeedEvil: ah, that makes sense22:06
DocScrutinizer51Sargun: I wish you'd send me those fried batteries so I could read out bq27k to see what went wrong22:07
SpeedEviljhford: you can then program any bit you like to 0 - with only access time penaklty22:07
SargunDocScrutinizer51, where are you based?22:07
SpeedEviljhford: but if you want to program any bit to 1 again - you have to erase the whole block and rewrite22:07
SargunGermany... Oh, that might cost a penny.22:07
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SargunDocScrutinizer51, do you want to pay for them?22:08
DocScrutinizer51Sargun: nevermind then22:08
SpeedEviloh come on22:08
jhfordso if you have 64k of a 128k block used and want to program a one, you have to erase the whole 128k and rewrite all of it?22:08
jhfordSpeedEvil: ^22:08
SpeedEvilit would go in an envelope22:08
SpeedEvilposting teeny envelopes is almost free22:08
SargunSpeedEvil, And DHS would nuke me for sending that in an envelope.22:08
DocScrutinizer51Sargun: nope. as OM doesnmt pay for me anymore ;-P22:08
SargunDocScrutinizer51, does OM pay anyone?22:08
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SpeedEvilSargun|: wikireader people I guess22:09
SpeedEvilthoiugh I can't imagine that having that much ongoing sales.22:09
Stskeepsheh, they could have had a kickass smartphone if they had continued with s3c6410..22:09
DocScrutinizer51Sargun: dunno. 2 or 5 chinese guys maybe22:09
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SpeedEvilStskeeps: or if they had sold what they had in 2007 to users22:09
SpeedEvil(after 6mo of polishing)22:10
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: **SIIIGHHH**22:10
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Arkenoiarachnist, flux: it was GEOS, not CE22:11
DocScrutinizer51though I feel a lil nasty hijacking this channel22:11
Stskeepsnah, important to learn from history22:11
DocScrutinizer51k. a valid POV22:12
SpeedEvilsome of the parallels are interesting.22:12
SpeedEvilThough not as extreme.22:12
DocScrutinizer51parallels?? which PARALLELS?22:12
SpeedEvilFor example - poor communication between the closed and open parts.22:12
DocScrutinizer51yeah. ack22:13
SpeedEvilLack of FPGA.22:13
DocScrutinizer51lack of plutonium cell22:13
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: maybe: poor GPS performance due to crappy software (until grown mature)22:15
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: or how about that: releasing schematics way too late / never, for pushing FOSS driver development and public review/QA22:17
SpeedEvilI can see why not releasing before release.22:19
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DocScrutinizer51though every fool knows china cloners have just a evil grin about non-open schematics22:19
SpeedEvilbut given that I can reverse engineer with a dmm - prettymuch...22:19
jhfordis there a way to flash a custom emmc image to the n900?22:20
jhfordusing flasher-3.522:20
SpeedEvilI assume there must be services out there that will reverse a board for you.22:20
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: sure there are22:20
DocScrutinizer51I knew the engineering house thet did iPhone RE22:20
DocScrutinizer51alas I lost the link22:21
SpeedEvilhowever - spare parts can at least be purchased for nokia :)22:21
SpeedEvilWhich is one nice thing.22:22
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DocScrutinizer51NOKIA: (release schem) It can be done. See If Nokia thinks they need help to sort NDA issues out contact joerg@openmoko.org22:25
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DocScrutinizer51fsck rapidshare22:27
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lucentWould a LUKS partition (crypto) on microSD be readable on my N900?22:39
lucentgoogle searches show only a few people asking about it, no real "hey it works" "no it doesn't work"22:40
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lucentI'm used to Ubuntu desktop asking me for a key when I plug in my USB device containing a LUKS partition22:41
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MeizirkkiMaemo 5 won't do that22:41
hrwlucent: IF you will get all required software components installed then should I think22:41
hrwlucent: but prepare for manual compiling22:41
lucentoh okay, no out of the box stuff hrm22:42
lucentI don't think it's importan22:42
lucentI mean, it's important but not worth the time tradeoff here22:42
lucentthanks for the advice hrw :)22:42
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hrwlucent: maemo5 is simple OS for simple tablet. nothing fancy available in repositories and it is too broken to be able to accept packages from Debian (which on it was based).22:43
DocScrutinizer51maemo is linux. Why shouldn't it work?22:43
lucentbasic question about that, do you know, if I have a microSD card formatted with two partitions, will that confuse it too much?22:43
MohammadAGFetched 1564B in 6min58s (4B/s) :/22:43
inzThat's what I call speed22:44
hrwDocScrutinizer51: it can work - but not out-of-box22:44
lucentmy usual pocket storage is some flash memory with one LUKS partition and one FAT32 partition22:44
DocScrutinizer51nevertheless it should *compile* 'ootb'22:44
lucentDocScrutinizer51: what I am looking for is that the device asks me for a crypto key via the UI and prepares the crypto partition for access by all applications22:45
lucentno commandline stuff22:46
DocScrutinizer51lucent: I have a16G with 3 partitons here. It mounts the first which happens to be vfat.22:46
lucentDocScrutinizer51: cool info, thanks very much22:46
DocScrutinizer51it ignores the extE3 and swwap22:46
hrwandre__: can you add ISINEXTRAS state to Now I closed bug #6718 as FIXED but ISINEXTRAS would better inform how it was resolved.22:47
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andre__hrw: hmm. I think FIXED or WORKSFORME cover this case.22:48
andre__i want to keep the number of solutions low22:48
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andre__I see already enough timewasting discussions internally, like "INVALID? No way! If at all, WONTFIX!"22:49
andre__but yeah, we should rethink solutions once we have Bugzilla 3.422:49
andre__because "FIXED" is confusing to many users, as in "Why isn't the fix on my device then?"22:49
andre__e.g. redhat uses "ON_QA" for that as long as it's not *publically* released...22:50
hrwgood state22:50
andre__yeah, a good topic for a long discussion with some glasses of wine :)22:50
hrwFIXED_ONLY_FOR_NOKIA_PEOPLE would be maemo version22:50
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andre__hrw: totally right, but looks ugly :-P22:51
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hrwandre__: FIXED_INTERNALLY22:52
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andre__hrw, yeah, something like that I had in mind too22:52
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lucenthm, newest version of "flashlight" seems to only work once22:52
andre__that misses a "yet" :)22:52
lucentanybody else confirm that on a N900?22:52
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andre__lucent, who is flashlight? an app? :)22:53
hrwandre__: I do not have so big trust in getting releases from nokia like you seems to have22:53
LuciusMare_n900hi,where does the internal media player store its covers? it didnt download all22:53
LaiskaI installed the flashlight, but could not find it in application menu...22:53
lucentandre__: flashlight is an app that lets you use your camera's LED flash as a flashlight22:53
lucentturn on/off22:53
arachnist <| lol, sfw (despite what the name might suggest)22:53
LuciusMare_n900and, what's the problem with new version of flashlight?22:53
DocScrutinizer51lucent: ack. confirmed22:53
hrwLaiska:open camera and check status area plugins22:53
LuciusMare_n900Laiska: read the description of the package22:53
LuciusMare_n900DocScrutinizer51: what confirmed?22:54
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lucentDocScrutinizer51: dur... should we report that problem? :P   flashlight 0.3 only works once per boot, seems to mess up the flash22:54
DocScrutinizer51flashligt borks on second use22:54
LuciusMare_n900lets make a report flood22:55
andre__hrw: after suddenly changing plans and looking like leaving Diablo from one day to the other I can understand that22:55
andre__hrw, and I'm not totally convinced either22:55
LuciusMare_n900it just sucks *reverts to an older version*22:55
lucentoh hey how to pin a version and install it?22:55
Laiskathanks hrw and LuciusMare22:56
lucentjust a one time thing, don't need to go all crazy on apt preferences here22:56
DocScrutinizer51lucent: +1 ??22:56
MohammadAGunable to turn on flashlight o.O22:56
konttoriLuciusMare_n900: in /home/user/.cache/media-art22:56
andre__LuciusMare: report floods are not helpful if you want developers to work fixing an issue instead of closing duplicate reports ;-)22:56
LuciusMare_n900konttori: thanks22:56
hrwandre__: so far there were 2 releases of maemo5 - maemosummit one and 42.11 - note that I do not count 51.1 as release as it is still internal only (plus few persons)22:56
LuciusMare_n900andre__: a developer should test an app before releasing ;)22:56
fralstesters should test, developer develop :p22:57
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konttoriLuciusMare_n900: see:
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konttorithat should explain the naming conventions, and... well, everything pretty well.22:57
LuciusMare_n900frals: heh22:57
hrwandre__: now we have 2nd week of 2010, 42.11 is 3 months old, 51.1 is one month old22:58
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konttoriyou can use e.g. mussorsky to get covers for all your music22:58
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Macerrunning kubuntu on the macbook22:58
LuciusMare_n900and,once again,how to show all packages installed?22:59
Maceri need to find a bunch of mac based themes to add to it so i can tell people it is OS XI22:59
hrwandre__: and there are nice things in hildon-desktop done which are not part of 51.1 even ;(23:00
hrwkonttori: there are google-images plugins in extras for that too.23:00
konttorihrw: is that working again?23:01
hrwkonttori: was it ever worked?23:01
andre__hrw, I think we both agree that Nokia's current system has lots of room for improvements...23:01
konttoriphilip van hoof made that, but I think it got broken at some point when google changed their api23:01
Jaffakonttori: You know that Maemo 5 doesn't follow the spec, right? ;-)23:01
hrwandre__: o yes23:01
konttoriJaffa, the album art spec?23:01
* Jaffa had a rewrite of pvanhoof's google-image-album-art-downloader which used the JSON Google images API (i.e. something actually supported)23:02
konttoriI think it calculates non ascii characters incorrectly.23:02
JaffaBut accidentally deleted it. Didn't take long but not got around to rewriting it.23:02
konttoriah, great!23:02
konttoriwell, that you made it.23:02
Jaffakonttori: No, it ignores artist names; so if you have two "Greatest Hits" albums, you're screwed if you want them to have proper album art.23:02
konttorianyway, we were all the time waiting for legal ok to use nokia music store to provide album art23:02
konttoriin the end, it was not possible, as we didn't have the possibility for end users to buy music -> contact with lables didn't allow us to access the album covers.23:03
konttoriall weird legal spaghetti.23:03
konttorithe google downloader was ever just an example. sad that it was never made to use the json api.23:04
JaffaBug 7263 and bug 6911 (probably same bug) meant I've no interest in getting half-right album art so not motivated enough to finish the version23:04
JaffaAnd I couldn't get the images to appear, probably for exactly that reason.23:05
LuciusMare_n900screw you,non-scrolling terminal!23:05
LuciusMare_n900what wqas the name of the app to download cover art?23:05
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DocScrutinizer51lucent: I've missed the answer how to install an older version of an app?23:08
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MohammadAGanyone tried fm boost?23:09
LuciusMare_n900DocScrutinizer51: apt-get install app=version23:10
LuciusMare_n900or app:version, not sure23:10
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DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: sounds simple enough. Now I only need to find out about last 'working' version of flashlight ;-)23:11
jhfordis there a way with flasher-3.5 to specify a partition to use for the emmc file?23:11
* LuciusMare_n900 struggles with making enough place on his desktop so he can fir one bookmark,few icons,rss,media player and touchsearch23:12
jhfordi.e. i want to create my own emmc image23:12
fralswhen using gtk, anyone know how to say remove a button from a HBox and then force the app to redraw it?23:12
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konttorilcuk: did you get gdb updated?23:13
konttoridid you contact marcell or tero kojo?23:13
konttori(asking in case you are here)23:14
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fralskonttori: the key to get lcuk awake is to say "bacon", not "lcuk" ;D23:16
konttorilol! how come?23:16
tigertjamaendo player looks nice23:16
LuciusMare_n900its not workign23:16
fralshe has a thing for it for some reason, seems he must be really far away atm thou ;D23:16
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DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: any further hints on that darn <version> thing?23:17
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LuciusMare_n900DocScrutinizer51: just updating my repos and trying 0.223:17
LuciusMare_n900i think i had this version23:17
LuciusMare_n900so let's give it a ahot23:17
DocScrutinizer51tell me if it panned out23:17
LuciusMare_n900and,what was the name of cover downloading app+?23:18
LuciusMare_n900DocScrutinizer51: sure23:18
konttoritigert, do you know that is it easy to have DUI widgets in normal qtgraphicsview ?23:18
LuciusMare_n900damn,apt-get update is sluggish slow at gprs :o23:18
konttoribasically that is it easy to have QML laying out the DUI components on a canvas23:18
konttoriOh, by the way, PR1.0.1 release was accepted today.23:19
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: S/gprs/
DocScrutinizer51the N770.server farm23:19
konttoriyeah. whole is slow as hell.23:19
tigertkonttori: no?23:20
konttoriI'm really looking forward to the new servers23:20
LuciusMare_n900n770 servr farm sounds funny to me23:20
hrw - ugly23:20
povbot`Bug 6708: calendar does not support export23:20
konttoritigert, so, is that a firm no , or a guess?23:20
hrwLuciusMare_n900: there was never such thing as n770 ;D23:20
* DocScrutinizer51 envisions X-Fade connecting each TCP link by hand23:20
LuciusMare_n900imagine a pile of tablets hooked up,giving their best to serve pages23:20
LuciusMare_n900hrw: so n-whatever ;)23:20
hrwkonttori: 1.0.1? so we will get 42.11 with 3 bugfixes?23:21
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|Rhow does the whole PR scheme works?23:21
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LuciusMare_n900DocScrutinizer51: E: Version '0.2' for 'flashlight-applet' was not found23:22
konttorihrw: well, it's basically less than 50 bug fixes. It's a really minor thing23:22
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hrw|R: 1.0 was first production release (42.11), next one is now named PR1.1 (will be 51.1 which now is month old), etc23:23
wirelessdreamerwhat solutions have ppl here taken to the pathetically small root partition on the 900, just filled my up =|23:23
tigertkonttori: "do you know?" "no, I dont know"23:23
konttoriBut, it opens some doors (e.g. SSU capability to PR1.1)23:23
LuciusMare_n900wirelessdreamer: dont bloat their tablet23:23
LuciusMare_n900for example23:23
hrwkonttori: I want one simple bugfix - s/closed/GPL/ in calendar23:23
wirelessdreamerits not their tablet, its my phone23:23
fluxwirelessdreamer, restart the device (after releasing some space)23:23
|Rhrw: and it's an apt-get update type of upgrade?23:23
wirelessdreamerand I have basic apps installed23:23
LuciusMare_n900or you can *try* to repartition23:23
fluxwirelessdreamer, there's a bug that causes certain installations consume space that's recovered after restart23:23
VDVsxkonttori, 1.0.1 == 51.1 ?23:23
konttoritigert: then I just hope you are wrong ;)23:23
hrw|R: in Diablo it was. did they managed to do that in maemo5... no idea23:24
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konttoriVDVsx: nope. 44-something23:24
LuciusMare_n900wirelessdreamer: me too, i am at 75 and i have a lot of other apps23:24
tigertno, I didnt say "not possible", rather just "no idea"23:24
hrwVDVsx: obsolete anyway23:24
tigertkonttori: see priv23:24
konttorihrw: what canno you do with calendar?23:24
LuciusMare_n900such as supertux,vim,wgwt,nmap,netcat...23:24
fluxwirelessdreamer, additional solution: stop installing that much stuff from extras-devel, or stuff that is not not optified ;)23:24
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: (repartition) huh? you can try to symlink /usr and /var to /home23:24
wirelessdreamerLucisMare_n900: have any links to docs on repatitioning it?23:24
Anideland how long after pr1.0.1 to pr1.1 ? :)23:24
|Rhrw: ok :) ... hopefully the kernel and all is upgradable without a reflash as it was supposed explained before it came out23:24
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: (0.2) :-((23:25
wirelessdreamerflux: I don't have that many from extras-devel . . . just important stuff ;)23:25
ShadowJKi think the symlink didn't work23:25
hrwkonttori: this tool is CRAP total CRAP... look at simple bugs which were send for it... probably even I would be able to fix some of them without knowlegde of GTK+23:25
Caesiumrelease of 1.0.1 is not encouraging :(23:25
Caesiumthat says to me that we have so long to wait for 1.1 release, they're doing one in between to fix the serious stuff23:25
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: yup. seems like it failed23:25
VDVsxkonttori, 0_o and you guys will release it into public having 51.1 in god shape, strange23:25
wirelessdreamerflux: thanks reboot after delete helped23:25
LuciusMare_n900(0.2) ?23:26
hrwVDVsx: thats nokia... you expected sanity?23:26
pupnikfunny how getting hired by nokia makes you a target for flames ,J23:26
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: though I'm not completely sure it was due to elementary issues rather than a wrong procedure23:26
konttorihrw: what tool?23:26
konttoriVDVsx: you cannot safely SSU from 1.0 to 1.1.23:27
konttoribasically for a random end user, the free space need for safe update would have been over 70 megs of free rootfs.23:27
Anidelkonttori, and you know more or less how much time then before 1.1 ?23:27
Anidelnote: more or less :)23:27
hrwkonttori: calendar23:27
LuciusMare_n900can i set the connection meter (measuers how much data has been downloaded) so it resets every month?23:27
konttoriand the 1.0.1 fixes issues related to that. And a bit more.23:27
Caesiumit makes / bigger? ;)23:28
konttorihrw: ah, you mean, you don't like how it's implemented and would like to fix the UI?23:28
konttoriwell, I can understand that.23:28
VDVsxkonttori, ah right, sorry :p23:28
konttoriand for that, I cannot do probably much. But, I'll check with the developers if it would be possible to opensource the UI23:29
konttori(most likely not)23:29
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: possible path: dbus-monitor; reset; find dbus msg that does the reset; create cronjob for dbus-send23:29
konttoriAnidel: most likely less, but who knows. Just look at the 1.0.1 week number23:29
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hrwbug #779223:30
povbot`Bug Release source code on open licence23:30
Anidelkonttori, eheh noticed :)23:30
pwnguinanyone have a recommendation for bluetooth headsets?23:31
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: if dbus-monitor doesn't help' then try strace the setrings app23:31
LuciusMare_n900dbus-monitor does not help,it fails to run.23:31
DocScrutinizer51works like a charm here23:33
* Stskeeps ponders if he dares reading scrollback23:33
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DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: *giggle* What's up?23:34
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DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: it doesn't 'hang'23:37
LuciusMare_n900then what?23:37
DocScrutinizer51just go on with oher actions and later watch what monitor listed23:37
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DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: actually you should start dbus-monitor immediately before hitting 'reset' button on data counter ;-)23:39
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Andy80can someone suggest me a decent documentation to install or to read for PythonGTK programing under Maemo? It's simply absurd, for example, I cannot find how to insert a simple Image container :\23:40
LuciusMare_n900now, i need to find where does it resets23:40
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DocScrutinizer51probably ssh into the device from a remote PC to have a second screen to watch dbus-monitor output helps a lot23:42
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DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: also don't miss 'dbus-monitor -s'23:43
LuciusMare_n900negative,no wifi or unix device here23:43
DocScrutinizer51maybe the interesting message is on systembus23:43
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DocScrutinizer51not on sessionbus23:43
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Caesiumnothign in dbus-monitor when I press Reset in the Phone settings23:44
LuciusMare_n900method call sender=:1.145 -> dest=org.freedesktop.DBus serial=75 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=RequestName string "" uint32 123:44
LuciusMare_n900now what?23:45
Caesiumhm, how did you get that.23:45
DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare_n900: no clue. I'm a total noob on dbus23:45
CaesiumLuciusMare_n900: was that from dbus-monitor --system?23:46
LuciusMare_n900no,from normal dbus-monitor23:47
Caesiumstrange, I ran that and pressed Reset but nothing popped up in dbus-monitor23:47
DocScrutinizer51Caesium: you didn't gainroot incidentally?23:48
wirelessdreamerI just ran sudo gainroot; df -h | grep rootfs; apt-get remove bounce; df -h and the amount of free space on root didn't change, anyone know what kind of bug thats tied into?23:49
CaesiumI ssh'ed in as root to run dbus-monitor23:49
crashanddieBookmaker Ladbrokes is refusing to pay out more than 7 million pounds ($11 million) to a man who gambled on a white Christmas across the UK, as the bet was accepted by mistake.23:49
DocScrutinizer51root session dbus != user session dbus23:49
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LuciusMare_n900i might have ran it under root,i aml not sure23:51
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LuciusMare_n900wirelessdreamer: bug called optyfiyng, it might not take as big space on root but on /9pt23:52
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wirelessdreamerbut bounce ships with the n900 and says in the package manage it takes up over 20 megs, so if I remove a package that it ships with that says it takes up 20 megs and I remove it, I should have another 20 megs free in /23:54
wirelessdreamerI call that a built in bug23:55
DocScrutinizer51actually for my thinking the reset dbus msg belongs to system dbus as it isn't associated to a particular user23:55
Caesiumhm, bounce not installed on my N900.23:55
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T7gwirelessdreamer, bounce does not install to /23:55
johnq_Is cornelius hald here?23:55
T7gnothing should install to / except libraries and unoptified programs23:56
ShadowJKbounce might actually use the 2gig space marked as "free memory for installing applications" (or something like that)23:56
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T7gShadowJK, It does.23:56
wirelessdreamerhow can I identify programs to remove that are installed to / then?23:56
ShadowJKthat so many apps consume space on / and not on the space reserved  for them, is a bug23:56
T7gHow much space ya got left wirelessdreamer ? df -h? (Also you need to reboot after installing x amount of programs because of a known bug with the gtk icon cache)23:57
CaesiumShadowJK: would that be /home ?23:57
wirelessdreameri've been pulling program after program out with the package manager and my / usage isn't changing23:57
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lardmanany old hands about? GAN900, Jaffa, etc?23:57
T7gSo check a df -h in terminal after powering down and powering back up, if you're around 50mb you're good.23:57
wirelessdreamer9% free23:57
DocScrutinizer51wirelessdreamer: ls -l /bin /sbin /usr23:57
ShadowJK/opt (/home/opt)23:57
* Caesium wonders how early /home gets mounted in the boot process, could I just ln -s /home/usr/share /usr/share for example :)23:57
SargunWhen the Nokia N900 is in PC suite mode, how do I configure the N900's usb0?23:58
T7gwirelessdreamer, most packages except really important ones are not installed to /23:58
ShadowJKthere was a script on tmo somewhere for listing use on / per package23:58
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jebbawhere do camera still shots get put? I though ~/MyDocs/DCIM or ~/MyDocs/.images but nothing from 2010 (this year) is in there23:58
T7gCaesium, you can do that with a bind mount, but you cannot do it with a link, you'll brick your device23:58
T7gand you still have to leave the original /usr there, and just have a copy that you bind mount over it.23:58
DocScrutinizer51Caesium: that's exactly what ShadowJK mentioned a few minutes ago23:58
jon1012Sargun: as root: "ifconfig usb0 netmask up" for example23:58
CaesiumT7g: that's not a bad idea.23:58
jon1012Sargun: I bet there are guis for that, but this is the cli method :)23:59
Sargunjon1012, On the n900? Is there any way I can make it get an automatic IP on boot-up?23:59
jebbai created a 100M partition on the external card to shut up when i boot up, and it's putting the images there :(23:59
Caesiumso core stuff that it needs is still there, but anything put there after the bind mount goes into opt23:59
jon1012Sargun: yeah on the n900... and you can do same on computer23:59
T7gCaesium, It's been done, but the mmc is supposedly a hell of a lot slower than the / partition (on it's own chip)23:59
Caesiummight run into issues if an update is applied while the bind mount is up23:59
ShadowJKjebba: pick use internal card in camera preferences?23:59
jon1012Sargun: oh... dhclient usb0 ? (I don't know if dhclient is shipped with n900)23:59
Stskeepsjebba: did your irc addiction win? :P23:59
Sargunjon1012, how do I setup a default IP, or dhcp on the n900's usb0?23:59

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