IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-01-07

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SpeedEvil	yes	00:00
pwnguin	good to know	00:01
cehteh	waargs ... calling abort() from a thread deadlocks in the sdk (didnt tried on device yet)	00:02
fdv	I've managed to clear out the contents of my /etc/apt/sources.list on maemo 5 / n900. can anybody pastebin the default contents for me?	00:02
cehteh	fdv: its all in sources.d sources.list is empty iirc	00:02
Kamui	dang out of root space yet again	00:02
fdv	cehteh: explains a bit :)	00:02
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Kamui	all i did was upgrades too	00:04
Kamui	aarg	00:04
fdv	cehteh: does this look like the defaults? http://pastebin.com/d16bd48ed	00:04
Kamui	running the optify script is sooo slow too	00:05
fdv	I think the ./ parts look kind of suspicious	00:05
cehteh	testing is certainly not defaults :)	00:06
fdv	ah, awright :)	00:06
cehteh	fdv: as i saied its an empty file by default	00:06
fdv	something odd happened after I tried adding a source repo	00:06
fdv	cehteh: yep, this is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list	00:07
cehteh	the repos are all in sources.list.d/	00:07
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cehteh	duh	00:07
fdv	:)	00:07
cehteh	please send me a cristal ball next time before you ask something	00:07
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cehteh	well looks ok	00:08
Jef91	IS there a place I can manually adjust my apt-get sources in Maemo?	00:08
cehteh	sources.list?	00:08
Jef91	is blank	00:09
fdv	cehteh: sorry, should have mantioned it explicitly, but it said in the paste :)	00:09
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frals	Jef91: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list seems like a good bet	00:10
cehteh	yes but i am busy didnt looked carefully	00:10
fdv	sure thing	00:10
fdv	my bad	00:10
Jef91	frals: Thanks	00:10
Jef91	frals: Any idea why that is?	00:10
frals	no clue	00:10
cehteh	is there a bugtracker for the SDK?	00:11
xorAxAx	cehteh: yes	00:11
frals	cehteh: bugs.maemo.org	00:11
xorAxAx	bugs.maemo.org	00:11
fdv	Jef91: I'm not sure whether that might interfere with the gui app manager, but any file under sources.list.d should do (not sure if it needs a .list suffix)	00:11
xorAxAx	"Maemo Official Platform" and then "Development platform"	00:11
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cehteh	abort() in a thread deadlocks in the sdk, but not on the device .. i can confirm that now	00:12
cehteh	duh!	00:12
fdv	Jef91: I've got fremantle sdk in a separate file, which works fine, and it's visible in the gui app manager, but it can't be edited there	00:13
slonopotamus	cehteh, beware of emulators	00:13
cehteh	slonopotamus: sure thing .. but thats still a bug	00:13
Jef91	fdv: Good to know, thanks	00:13
slonopotamus	cehteh, emulator will never behave as real device.	00:14
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cehteh	hey _exit() hangs too	00:15
cehteh	slonopotamus: still a bug	00:15
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cehteh	maybe a 'wontfix' but should be documented somewhere	00:16
Jef91	Is there a Game Boy, GBA, or DS Emulator in the repos yet?	00:16
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cehteh	guess what, exit() hangs too	00:18
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cehteh	why did no one stomped on that yet?	00:18
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GeneralAntilles	Jef91, VGB and VGBA exist.	00:18
slonopotamus	because noone develops in scratchbox :)	00:18
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jX	so, I jsut called Nokia support, I lost the stylus to my N900	00:19
GeneralAntilles	Jef91, although due to legal action from Nintendo they're not in Extras anymore.	00:19
Jef91	Oh, lame.	00:19
GeneralAntilles	Jef91, DS may be a bit ambitious.	00:19
jX	they told me to go to Radio Shack	00:19
Jef91	Got a download link for VGB?	00:19
jX	they said they "don't have any extras"	00:19
go1dfish	GeneralAntilles: there was a post on t.m.o. saying they will be coming back to extras soon	00:19
GeneralAntilles	Supposedly they should be coming back at some point.	00:19
Jef91	Damn, I was hoping to play some poke'mon this afternoon hahaha	00:20
GeneralAntilles	I dunno where the Nintendo stuff is currently available.	00:20
Dantonic	hey how bad is it to disconnect the N900 in mass storage mode without ejecting it first? I haven't found a way to eject it before disconnecting from my car's USB port	00:21
jX	Dantonic: As long as no data is beinng writte TO it at the time, it's harmless	00:21
jX	completely	00:21
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Dantonic	what if it is reading for example playing music?	00:22
jX	doesnt' matter	00:22
Dantonic	ok	00:22
jX	as long as data is not being WRITTEN TO the device, that's all that counts	00:22
Dantonic	thanks jX	00:22
jX	if data is being written to the device when you disconnect, whatever data it was writing will be corrupt and unfinished.	00:22
jX	worst case if it's being read is that the copy will fail or the music wiill stop.	00:23
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Kamui	wankster sauce	00:23
Dantonic	I also wish there was a way to stop it from charging and still be attached.... it would be handy for long trips where I don't want it to keep charging the N900 whne it's already full...	00:24
Dantonic	but I still want to play my music	00:24
jX	it stops charging when it's full automatically	00:24
jX	the light turns green from yellow	00:24
Kamui	i have plugins that constantly dissapear for what appears to be no reason	00:24
Kamui	by plugin i mean widget	00:24
Dantonic	but it'll keep topping it off won't it?	00:24
VDVsx	GeneralAntilles, Jef91 , the emulators will be back as soon as the devs upload them again	00:24
jX	Dantonic: possibly, but when it's full it stops drawing extra charge power.	00:25
jX	speaking of emulators, has anyone gotten ines to install on the 900?	00:25
VDVsx	yes, works very well	00:25
slonopotamus	VDVsx, shouldn't the one, who removed them, put them back?	00:25
jX	is it in the repos?	00:25
jX	I tried getting it from the ines website, failed.	00:26
VDVsx	slonopotamus, everything was removed, so only the devs have the packages	00:26
slonopotamus	you don't do backups? :)	00:26
VDVsx	no :p	00:27
Jef91	VDVsx Any idea when they are suppose to be back?	00:27
Macer	hm. the kenshin movie is awkward	00:27
Macer	it's nothing like the show	00:27
frals	i think the point was to remove everything so nokia wasnt liable for having it on their servers	00:27
VDVsx	Jef91, for ines ask RST38h	00:27
VDVsx	frals, more or less	00:27
frals	also, we dont happen to have anyone in here expert on MMS decoding/SMIL/wsp headers?	00:28
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xorAxAx	cehteh: when do you continue your work on profiled? :)	00:28
cehteh	depends on my mood and if anyone else will help	00:28
xorAxAx	i will help when i have my device	00:29
cehteh	somewhere between later today to never :)	00:29
zerojay	VDVsx: Don't expect my wallpapers to go back up there.	00:29
VDVsx	zerojay, I know	00:29
VDVsx	:(	00:29
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cehteh	assert() deadlocks too .. .. lemme try raise() ... last effort	00:30
GeneralAntilles	zerojay, doesn't really matter for PR1.1.	00:30
zerojay	I don't enjoy the implication that my wallpapers are in some legal grey area when they're perfectly protected by fair use clauses. I'm not going to bother anymore.	00:30
GeneralAntilles	zerojay, since it'll handle ultrawide wallpapers without the need for .desktop files	00:30
GeneralAntilles	So somebody can stick them on n900wallpapers.com	00:31
zerojay	Cool, I guess.	00:31
jX	GeneralAntilles: Wait, so I can put a 3200x480 image there and it'll work as a 4wide desktop?	00:31
GeneralAntilles	jX, yes.	00:31
jX	omg,a wesome	00:31
jX	will it be centered on teh main screen, or left justified like it should be?	00:31
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GeneralAntilles	zerojay, something makes me think there's a conspiracy to keep you from being involved in Maemo. :P	00:31
go1dfish	zerojay: I don't think thats the implication	00:32
xorAxAx	i want my n900!	00:32
* VDVsx receives the 1st spam in the council ML		00:32
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zerojay	go1dfish: You didn't see the e-mails I did.	00:32
go1dfish	I think the lawyers just got overly jumpy/defensive	00:32
go1dfish	like lawyers do	00:32
go1dfish	good point	00:32
go1dfish	fair use is dead anyway	00:32
go1dfish	at least in the US	00:32
zerojay	GeneralAntilles: Yeah, no kidding. Glad I could help pave the way for everyone else to play with PR1.1. Heh.	00:32
zerojay	go1dfish: Tell that to James Cameron.	00:32
VDVsx	zerojay, fair use doesn't work in most of the countries	00:33
jX	gold: It's not dead, it's jsut under attack, you have to defend it	00:33
jX	like any right	00:33
go1dfish	let me correct that...	00:33
go1dfish	fair use is dead unless you have the money to pay lawyers to fight that argument	00:33
jX	bah	00:34
Jef91	gparted needs a maemo port xD	00:34
go1dfish	the mere threat of legal action is enough to shut most people down without a fight	00:34
jX	you'd be surprised how easy it is to excercise fair use for free.	00:34
* VDVsx suspects that pocahontas is a fair use script :p		00:34
jX	yes, without a fight, blame them, not the hyperactive lawyers.	00:34
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jX	VDVsx: See: http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/ill-see-your-pocahontas-and-raise-you-speaker-for-the-dead/	00:34
jX	:)	00:34
VDVsx	jX, my assumption was based on that ;)	00:35
jX	my friend wrote that up yesterday, I found it funny. :)	00:35
Jef91	huh Anyone have any ideas why my N900 would complain about my sd card even if it is formatted to fat3?	00:35
Jef91	fat32*	00:36
go1dfish	btw highly recommended reading for anyone interested in fair use/copyright in the US at all: http://www.free-culture.cc/freecontent/	00:36
VDVsx	jX, there's a similar one for pocahontas	00:36
Kamui	anyone know if the microb-engine can be optifiedmsafely	00:37
cehteh	xorAxAx: do you have a 32 or 64 bit system with the sdk?	00:37
Kamui	err via relinking?	00:37
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zerojay	VDVsx: And Dances With Wolves and about 50 other movies.	00:37
VDVsx	lol	00:38
Jef91	is there an xchat port for maemo?	00:38
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VDVsx	Jef91, yes	00:38
Kamui	yep	00:38
Kamui	im using it now	00:38
Jef91	is it in testings or devel?	00:38
Jaffa	Evening, all	00:39
frals	ello	00:39
Kamui	hi jaffa	00:39
xorAxAx	cehteh: 32	00:39
frals	Jef91: testing, or maybe even just extas	00:39
cehteh	xorAxAx: maybe you can try my testcode there ... moment i type the bug report	00:40
Jaffa	VDVsx: kontorri's comment on the bug 7315 isn't entirely clear - since we're testing PR1.1 ;-)	00:41
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7315 X Terminal application icon looks ugly compared with previous versions	00:41
zerojay	"ugly"?	00:41
VDVsx	Jaffa, true, lol, I miss read	00:41
pupnik	ignore	00:41
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VDVsx	since there's already some bugs with "fixed in pr1.2"	00:42
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, maybe 51-2+, I suppose.	00:42
Jaffa	VDVsx: Oooh, they've confirmed there's going to be a PR1.2 release?	00:42
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: Indeed	00:42
cehteh	xorAxAx: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7728	00:43
povbot`	Bug 7728: assert(), abort(), _exit(), exit() called from a thread deadlocks in the SDK	00:43
VDVsx	Jaffa, is there's already a Qt branch with that tag	00:43
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Jaffa	zerojay: Look at the first attachment. The test image's X Terminal icon features bright green.	00:43
Jaffa	VDVsx: Yeah, last I heard the wasn't certainty it'd actually be released.	00:43
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Jaffa	Power straight through to PR2.0/Harmattan ;-)	00:43
VDVsx	Jaffa, they promised Qt 4.6 in maemo5	00:43
VDVsx	and WRT, I guess	00:44
* GeneralAntilles bemoans capacitive insanity.		00:44
cehteh	yeah	00:44
GeneralAntilles	The Harmattan device is going to suck.	00:44
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Jaffa	VDVsx: Both could be "normal" packages	00:44
cehteh	well they can put a bigger battery in, no stylus :P	00:44
xorAxAx	cehteh: WFM	00:44
VDVsx	GeneralAntilles, why ?	00:44
GeneralAntilles	VDVsx, capacitive.	00:45
VDVsx	capacitive ? :D	00:45
VDVsx	damn	00:45
cehteh	xorAxAx: maybe 64 bit issue then	00:45
GeneralAntilles	There are reasons I hate the iPhone that have nothing at all to do with software.	00:45
xorAxAx	cehteh: armel or x86?	00:45
cehteh	armel	00:45
xorAxAx	ah	00:45
pupnik	bug 6456: paint stylusbbright yellow	00:45
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6456 Register audio/ogg mimetype to support *.oga Vorbis audio files	00:45
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cehteh	works in x86	00:45
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Wolfie	GeneralAntilles: how do you know about that capacitance?	00:46
cehteh	xorAxAx: 1.prepare short test program in the FREMANTLE_ARMEL scratchbox	00:46
cehteh	you can read? :)	00:46
GeneralAntilles	Wolfie, it was announced at the Summit as OMAP3/capacitive	00:46
xorAxAx	cehteh: non, fails for me as well :)	00:47
GeneralAntilles	Wolfie, and Jose Luiz Martinez quoted it as a reason Harmattan wouldn't be shipped to the N900 at BCN.	00:47
cehteh	quite sure thats a emulator issue	00:47
Wolfie	GeneralAntilles: aww. But, isn't that just a hw-decision? I can't see why capacitance and resistance would require different drivers, or anything	00:47
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SpeedEvil	Wolfie: multitouch	00:47
cehteh	but still would be nice if one can run at least some unit tests on the development scratchbox before sending the app to the device	00:47
Wolfie	was just thinking about that. Multitouch doesn't work on resistive?	00:47
SpeedEvil	Wolfie: also capacitive can may mean no stylus	00:48
go1dfish	GeneralAntilles: is that to say nokia has confirmed that maemo6 will not be appearing on the n900?	00:48
SpeedEvil	Wolfie: not generally	00:48
SpeedEvil	Wolfie: there are some hacks that make it sorta-work	00:48
simula_	omap3 goes up to 1Ghz, but what is the max ram supported?	00:48
Wolfie	SpeedEvil: doesn't capacitive have their own type of stylus?	00:48
GeneralAntilles	go1dfish, inasmuch as a seemingly offhand remark at a maemo.org event can be counted as "confirmed"	00:48
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SpeedEvil	Wolfie: or rather - no passive stylus	00:48
go1dfish	yeah I think I had heard that before and it was presented more as a reason why it might not be feasible to port	00:49
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: Did they? How foolish. There's so little that requires capacitive; so the only reason could be decreased accuracy => less need for high res screen => <800x480 => won't work well on N900	00:49
GeneralAntilles	simeoni, limited by PoP sizes for the foreseeable future.	00:49
go1dfish	rather than a definite no, just wanted to be sure you were referring to the same statement	00:49
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, ah, right, 800x480 was the 3rd thing announced at the Summit.	00:49
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, seems like a marketing decision mostly. :\	00:49
simula_	darn, it looks like OMAP3 tops out at 256MB of ram :P	00:49
* Jaffa wonders if the N900's initial success would change those plans.		00:49
* GeneralAntilles wishes fervently for Stantum.		00:49
go1dfish	who is so freaking weak that the resistive screen on the n900 is too much pressure for their fingers?	00:49
Kamui	lol	00:50
GeneralAntilles	simula_, I heard something about a 512MB/512MB PoP at one point.	00:50
Kamui	hahaha	00:50
GeneralAntilles	simula_, but don't think it's anywhere near production volumes yet.	00:50
cehteh	as i saied, they should combine both technologies	00:50
GeneralAntilles	go1dfish, idiots that iPhone finger everything with a touchscreen.	00:50
Wolfie	go1dfish: can't agree. I have an invisible shield on top of that, and it still doesn't feel too pressur-y	00:51
GeneralAntilles	cehteh, expensive, power and space costly.	00:51
GeneralAntilles	cehteh, Stantum is a nicer compromise.	00:51
simula_	512 would give a lot more breathing room, just knowing that it may happen inside the next year is nice... thanks generalantilles	00:51
cehteh	well yes there are some other technologies than resistive/capacitative	00:51
VDVsx	GeneralAntilles, the keynote also referred something like a community maemo6 for the n900	00:51
cehteh	and i dont really like qt .. but well	00:52
GeneralAntilles	VDVsx, hopefully Mer will be to that point by then.	00:52
GeneralAntilles	VDVsx, still, so unjustifiably stupid.	00:52
GeneralAntilles	Capacitive at WVGA is just inane.	00:52
VDVsx	agreed	00:52
GeneralAntilles	I'm in favor of killing off most of the people involved in Maemo Device's management and marketing. . . .	00:52
SpeedEvil	I want SAW	00:52
SpeedEvil	SAW on a diamond-coated window device.	00:53
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cehteh	btw does numptyphysics work for anyone of you?	00:54
pupnik	works great on n810 here	00:55
cehteh	yes but not on n900	00:55
xorAxAx	is it possible to do something like ${VAR_${VAR}} in sh?	00:55
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cehteh	${!var_$var} iirc	00:56
cehteh	well maybe not in sh .. but in bash >2.05 :)	00:56
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xorAxAx	cehteh: doesnt work	00:57
cehteh	eval?	00:57
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cehteh	maybe you need to do it in 2 steps	00:57
cehteh	varname="foo_$var" echo ${!varname}	00:58
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xorAxAx	cehteh: works	00:59
pupnik	nice cehteh	01:01
cehteh	what?	01:01
pupnik	knowing the answer	01:02
cehteh	heh	01:02
cehteh	you didnt seen hardcore shell programming yet? :)	01:02
pupnik	i used to hang out in #bash, so no	01:03
xorAxAx	cehteh: how do i check whether the variable is defined?	01:03
cehteh	i prolly seen you there, but i only join when i have a question	01:03
cehteh	xorAxAx: doesnt it suffice if its non-empty?	01:04
xorAxAx	cehteh: yes, how?	01:04
cehteh	test -n (or -z) ...	01:04
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Sargun	does the n900 do ofono?	01:05
xorAxAx	gah, i switch to python	01:05
GeneralAntilles	Who is responsible for the godawful naming of the telepathy extras packages? <_<	01:06
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papo	hello	01:07
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papo	The NoRêve pouch was recommended several times in the forum. I'm wondering whether anyone has that thing and can tell me how the device is fixed	01:07
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cehteh	xorAxAx: for what?	01:08
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* cehteh has his 2nd puch finished :P		01:09
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Jef91	My N900 has developed a strange new issue	01:11
xorAxAx	cehteh: a one-way syncer for gpe_calendar	01:11
SpeedEvil	Jef91: Does pea soup come out of the a/v connector, and the camera spin round and round?	01:11
Jef91	When I open my file manager my "music" "pictures" and "documents" are all displayed twice	01:12
Jef91	SpeedEvil: I'd call that a useful feature, not a strange issue :P	01:12
Arkenoi	useful?	01:13
fnordianslip	Jef91, known bug	01:13
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* Arkenoi remembers old urban legend about two-panel file manager and ignorant user		01:14
javispedro	VDVsx: btw, thanks for pushing the issue	01:14
Jef91	fnordianslip Any fixes for the time being/a known cause of it?	01:14
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VDVsx	javispedro, np :)	01:15
fnordianslip	Jef91, there's a bugzilla entry for it. caused by a buggy and bizarre solution to have translated directory names	01:16
fnordianslip	apparently	01:16
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pupnik	ty fnordianslip	01:18
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fnordianslip	pupnik, huh?	01:19
VDVsx	a desktop widget made in python ?	01:20
VDVsx	need to test something, can't remember any	01:20
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fnordianslip	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5838	01:23
povbot`	Bug 5838: Certain directory entries are duplicated	01:23
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xorAxAx	cehteh: why are you testing your program in the armel target?	01:23
cehteh	just run the unit test suite	01:23
red	VDVsx: all desktop widgets made in python i tried did not work	01:23
red	afaik there was some problem why they did not yet work, barring a nokia fix	01:24
red	then again could be that i was dreaming	01:24
wazd	wooo	01:24
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VDVsx	red, recall the name of one of them ?	01:24
cehteh	i have on bash >2.05 on the device, but the testsuite needs that	01:24
wazd	huge screen! Fast connection!	01:24
cehteh	its my debugging lib, not a complete program anyways	01:24
VDVsx	wazd, what you got know ? :p	01:24
VDVsx	*now	01:25
wazd	VDVsx: I got home :D	01:25
VDVsx	lolol	01:25
VDVsx	25'' screen	01:25
VDVsx	:D	01:25
red	VDVsx: dont have my phone at me now and no	01:25
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VDVsx	oki	01:26
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red	mm	01:26
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red	not sure if the digg widget was python or not	01:26
red	atleast it didnt work	01:26
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Noma	has anyone here played with the bt-mouse possibility of n900?	01:27
cehteh	yes	01:27
Noma	any success?	01:27
cehteh	scroll wheel works nice .. but without a visible pointer its no fun	01:27
Noma	but there is a pointer possibility in the browser?	01:28
cehteh	yeah	01:28
cehteh	there are some hacks to make the pointer visible too	01:28
Noma	i managed to get my ms bt 5000 to move the pointer, but it was unusable because of the sensitivity	01:28
cehteh	i just didnt tried	01:28
cehteh	man xset	01:28
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Noma	does anyone know if there is any way to alter the settings of the mouse? for me any of the buttons or the wheel didn't do anything	01:29
cehteh	man xset	01:29
Noma	there is no xset command on n900	01:30
cehteh	prolly you have to install or build it	01:30
cehteh	is it a xorg server iirc yes	01:30
Noma	but there must be some kind of settings already there, because the pointer functionality is already there and working in the browser	01:31
cehteh	you can also configure sensitivity in xorg.conf .. but thats quite more pita	01:31
cehteh	nah it prolly just uses unconfigured defaults	01:31
cehteh	which rather apply to low dpi historic mouses	01:31
Noma	yes, but there must be a way to make one's own configs	01:32
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cehteh	yes, with xset or xorg.conf	01:32
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Noma	well, let's try	01:32
Jeff91	where do i go to report issues with a package in extra-testing?	01:32
cehteh	author?	01:32
xorAxAx	Jeff91: in the bugtracker linked from the package page	01:33
Noma	where the xorg.conf is located?	01:33
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xorAxAx	Jeff91: if there is none, use the comment field on the package page	01:33
Jeff91	kk, its the "moodlight" package	01:33
xorAxAx	Jeff91: see maemo.org/packages	01:33
Jeff91	it killed my camera :-/	01:33
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cehteh	huh?	01:33
cehteh	killed?	01:33
Pudding-n900	good to know	01:33
Jeff91	moodlight includes a flashlight button	01:34
Pudding-n900	restart didnt help?	01:34
Jeff91	and after toggling the flashlight on/off my camera now fails to load	01:34
cehteh	that should just turn the screen white	01:34
Jeff91	let me try that brb	01:34
cehteh	not?	01:34
xorAxAx	cehteh: no, it modifies the LEDstate	01:34
Jeff91	if u hit the flashlight twice it turns on the camera flash	01:34
cehteh	the flashlight app can kill the camera	01:35
cehteh	ok	01:35
GeneralAntilles	Jeff91, restart.	01:35
Jeff91	brb rebooting	01:35
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GeneralAntilles	and the flashlight applet is better.	01:35
Pudding-n900	yop	01:35
cehteh	imo its more a problem with the camera app which maybe thinking it owns the leds	01:35
Pudding-n900	works fine on my device	01:35
cehteh	i looked at the flashlight code and it looks like itself does care for any circumstance	01:35
GeneralAntilles	I wish you could intercept the dbus signal to the camera app so it wouldn't open with the lens cover	01:36
Noma	n900's xorg.conf doesn't have much that seems to have something to do with the mouse functionality	01:36
cehteh	GeneralAntilles: you can .. /etc/systemui/systemui.conf	01:36
cehteh	Noma: you have to add it	01:36
Noma	just trying to google what i have to add there	01:37
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Jeff91	good suggestion rebooting fixed	01:37
Pudding-n900	good to hear	01:37
Pudding-n900	:)	01:37
Jeff91	should I still report the issue or is it known?	01:37
Pudding-n900	yep	01:37
Pudding-n900	the bug isnt fixed	01:38
Jeff91	kk will do	01:38
Jeff91	on a side note this phone takes also long as my netbook to boot almost lol	01:38
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Pudding-n900	:P	01:38
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vpol	hi all.	01:39
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Pudding-n900	hey	01:39
Jeff91	oh also - the gameboy emulators appear to be back in extra-testing	01:39
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Pudding-n900	gameboy emulator?	01:40
Pudding-n900	how's it called?	01:40
vpol	i've got a strange problem with icq connection. it doesn't work :) is there ability to check telepathy connection logs?	01:40
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MohammadAG	the Nexus one has wireless N?	01:40
Jeff91	vgb and vgba i believe	01:40
Pudding-n900	kk	01:40
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luke-jr	MohammadAG: but no keyboard? :((	01:41
Pudding-n900	@vpol with the icq plugin or the pidgin	01:41
Pudding-n900	you have problems?	01:41
vpol	Pudding-n900, icq plugin.	01:41
vpol	pidgin works perfect	01:41
MohammadAG	luke-jr, well yeah I'm not switching to it, but does it really have N?	01:41
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Pudding-n900	hm	01:41
MohammadAG	Pidgin takes about 2 MBs from / afair	01:41
Pudding-n900	try to deactivate the icq connection in pidgin	01:41
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pierlux	how do I fix that build issue? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libchamplain_0.4.3-0/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt	01:42
Pudding-n900	maybe this is blocking the plugin connection	01:42
vpol	Pudding-n900, i've already removed it, even removed .pidgin	01:42
Pudding-n900	hm	01:42
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timeless_mbp	pierlux: do you have build-dep: gtk-doc (>= 1.9) ?	01:42
timeless_mbp	(or build-depends, however it's spelled)	01:43
luke-jr	MohammadAG: I would assume so.	01:43
luke-jr	MohammadAG: N isn't exactly unusual these days	01:43
MohammadAG	+1 for HTC	01:43
lardman	night all	01:43
Pudding-n900	i cant think of an other issue that might cause this problem right now...	01:43
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MohammadAG	-10 for the rest of the stuff that's in Nokia phones	01:43
luke-jr	http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/nexus-one-teardown-reveals-possible-802-11n-radio-and-fm-transmi/	01:44
luke-jr	MohammadAG: N900 doesn't have N?	01:44
GeneralAntilles	Who cares about N in a mobile these days?	01:44
MohammadAG	afaik no luke-jr	01:44
luke-jr	weird	01:44
MohammadAG	well it's faster GeneralAntilles	01:44
MohammadAG	and sucks the battery faster	01:44
MohammadAG	and that's the last thing I need lol	01:44
GeneralAntilles	Faster doesn't matter	01:44
GeneralAntilles	Most of these things can't even saturate G.	01:44
timeless_mbp	MohammadAG: losing battery faster is a good thing?	01:44
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MohammadAG	<MohammadAG> and that's the last thing I need lol timeless_mbp	01:45
MohammadAG	i.e I don't need it	01:45
MohammadAG	in fact I may get a DC-11	01:45
MohammadAG	just wondering if it'd work well	01:45
luke-jr	MohammadAG: N support != N use	01:45
timeless_mbp	dc-10's are airplanes, right?	01:45
MohammadAG	LOL	01:45
luke-jr	I was just at WalMart	01:45
luke-jr	played with the keyboards on their display phones	01:45
MohammadAG	luke-jr, I have an N router, so it'd help when downloading stuff locally	01:45
luke-jr	trying to remember the name of the one that had the best KB	01:45
pupnik	n810 speakers are soo good	01:46
pupnik	i need another one	01:46
MohammadAG	but idc about it, I just want Maemo	01:46
MohammadAG	never owned an N810 :(	01:46
red	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=456490#post456490	01:46
MohammadAG	wasn't into linux at the time, I was only 13 after all	01:46
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luke-jr	MohammadAG: just wondering, but what do you "just want Maemo" O.o?	01:47
Mousey	n810 is the best nseries there evre was	01:47
red	maemo.org > Talk > Software > Multimedia > Lack of audio quality on the N900 and useless overhead	01:47
luke-jr	Mousey: haha, nice one	01:47
MohammadAG	luke-jr, I want a device that has maemo on it	01:47
luke-jr	MohammadAG: why though?	01:47
MohammadAG	not android, nor symbian	01:47
Pudding-n900	wasnt the n810 a skimple internet tablet?	01:47
MohammadAG	linux	01:47
luke-jr	why not real Linux?	01:47
luke-jr	:)	01:47
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MohammadAG	luke-jr, ctcp version me	01:47
Mousey	Pudding-n900: it was the BEST handheld computer i ever used	01:47
Mousey	bee eee ess tee	01:48
pupnik	n900 sound is fine for 97% of uses	01:48
derf	I still use my N810 more than my N900.	01:48
pierlux	timeless_mbp, this error is on the maemo build server	01:48
MohammadAG	I've been using linux for about two years I think	01:48
derf	Mostly because maemo-mapper on the N900 still has too many bugs.	01:48
pierlux	I can fix such errors on my computer fine :)	01:48
MohammadAG	never went back to windows	01:48
timeless_mbp	pierlux: sure, but does your package specify that in its debian/control file ?	01:48
luke-jr	MohammadAG: ok? so why Maemo over, say, Debian or Gentoo?	01:48
pierlux	timeless_mbp, possibly not	01:48
pupnik	MohammadAG is cool	01:48
timeless_mbp	pierlux: try adding it ...	01:48
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MohammadAG	luke-jr, maemo is debian	01:49
luke-jr	or Mer for that matter	01:49
MohammadAG	with a diff GUI	01:49
luke-jr	MohammadAG: Maemo is NOT Debian	01:49
GeneralAntilles	derf, you tried the more recent alphas?	01:49
MohammadAG	luke-jr, core is	01:49
luke-jr	MohammadAG: no it isn't	01:49
derf	GeneralAntilles: Not in the past two weeks.	01:49
luke-jr	Maemo is no more Debian than Ubuntu or Xandros	01:49
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nomis	is there a python module for the tracker functionality?	01:49
MohammadAG	it's based on Debian, ok	01:49
Sargun	How do I decode SMS PDUs?	01:49
MohammadAG	Debian is a distro	01:49
MohammadAG	ubuntu is based on it	01:49
luke-jr	sure, but still a far cry from Debian	01:49
MohammadAG	same as Maemo	01:49
MohammadAG	hmm, I still wonder why I never tried Debian	01:50
* luke-jr runs Debian on most of his physical servers.		01:50
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luke-jr	MohammadAG: but why do you prefer a closed OS based on Debian over Debian itself?	01:51
luke-jr	or even Mer for that matter	01:51
luke-jr	at least Mer is open, AND has the same DE as Maemo for the most part	01:51
pierlux	timeless_mbp, should I use the debian package name (gtk-doc-tools) or gtk-doc?	01:51
MohammadAG	luke-jr, how is it closed?	01:51
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timeless_mbp	pierlux: you want the debian package name...	01:52
timeless_mbp	don't expect me to know what that is :)	01:52
pierlux	ok thaks	01:52
luke-jr	MohammadAG: most of the apps, IIRC	01:52
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luke-jr	MohammadAG: I don't know the full details for Maemo5	01:52
MohammadAG	it can install all apps based on armel	01:52
MohammadAG	if they're GTK based	01:52
luke-jr	MohammadAG: the included ones	01:52
luke-jr	anyhow, an open OS would in theory be hardware-independent	01:53
MohammadAG	installed a couple from the debian repos lucent	01:53
luke-jr	so you aren't tied to one company's phones	01:53
MohammadAG	luke-jr, * sorry about that lucent	01:53
red	luke-jr: many of the nokia things are closed to prevent other vendors copying I guess	01:53
luke-jr	MohammadAG: eg, Nexus Two w/ Mer	01:53
MohammadAG	luke-jr, no, I was very close to leaving Nokia	01:53
red	luke-jr: but some get opened by enough whining about etc, there was a comprehensive list about those some time ago	01:53
MohammadAG	but the N900 pulled me back	01:53
luke-jr	red: I'm pretty aware of the Maemo4/N8x0 situations	01:53
corecode_	what's mer	01:53
red	i know nothing of those though	01:54
luke-jr	corecode_: Mameo minus closed bits (as much as possible)	01:54
MohammadAG	Mer, a variant of the open-source Maemo operating system for internet tablets.	01:54
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corecode_	luke-jr: have an url?	01:54
luke-jr	corecode_: Google is your friend?	01:54
MohammadAG	or lmgtfy :p	01:54
luke-jr	second result for "Mer"	01:54
* MohammadAG wishes he was born before 1993		01:55
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MohammadAG	ah well, can't change that	01:55
corecode_	does it run on n900?	01:55
corecode_	MohammadAG: eh?	01:56
corecode_	1993?	01:56
* corecode_ calculates		01:56
MohammadAG	16	01:56
luke-jr	corecode_: not yet, AFAIK	01:56
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luke-jr	corecode_: next release should	01:56
* MohammadAG saves corecode_ the time for the calculation		01:56
luke-jr	there's some problems with getting it working on N8x0 tho	01:56
corecode_	MohammadAG: cute	01:56
MohammadAG	lol	01:56
corecode_	:)	01:56
* luke-jr is porting Mer to the i.MX51 line		01:56
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Kamui	fook	01:58
luke-jr	GeneralAntilles: N might be useful on a mobile for the wider ranger, not the speed	01:58
Kamui	i relocated almost all my big packages to opt and still only freed 5megs on root	01:58
Kamui	time to reflash i guess	01:58
Kamui	my first reflash	01:58
pierlux	timeless_mbp, same result https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libchamplain_0.4.3-0/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt	01:58
MohammadAG	Kamui, I reflashed about 3 times in a week	01:59
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pierlux	I added gtk-doc-tools (>=1.9) as a dep in control	01:59
MohammadAG	make that 4 cause I pressed CTRL C by mistake	01:59
MohammadAG	(yes I killed the flasher)	01:59
Kamui	crap mohammadag, are the fw image files available now at least?	02:00
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MohammadAG	Kamui, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php	02:00
timeless_mbp	pierlux: hrm	02:00
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timeless_mbp	https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libchamplain_0.4.3-0/armel.root.log.OK.txt	02:01
timeless_mbp	doesn't list it	02:01
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timeless_mbp	i'm pretty sure that means it isn't building what you think it's building	02:02
pierlux	timeless_mbp, oh I see this system builds an environment just for that!	02:02
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luke-jr	:o	02:03
luke-jr	is the Samsung Impression not a smartphone?	02:03
timeless_mbp	either the package you want is not gtk-doc-tools and that's already installed	02:03
timeless_mbp	or it didn't build the thing you asked the second time around	02:03
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pierlux	timeless_mbp, I'll check if it built the right thing	02:05
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jX	luke-jr: No, it's not	02:05
jX	generally the bar for smartphones is it needs to run linux, winmo, iphone OS, symbian, or RIM's blackberry os.	02:06
ShadowJK	why does my n810 want to upgrade vncviewer to a -fremantle version ...	02:06
Kamui	mo: thanks man	02:06
Kamui	mo, thanks man	02:06
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Kamui	damn	02:06
luke-jr	jX: weird. anyhow, it's keyboard seems to feedback nice	02:06
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jX	the reasoning is support for third party apps	02:06
Kamui	mohammadag, thanks, no tab completion on the n900 :)	02:06
jX	other than java or brew	02:07
* MohammadAG suffers from the same problem		02:07
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MohammadAG	@ Kamui	02:07
MohammadAG	and np	02:07
mtnbkr	GeneralAntilles: anyone else experience N900 removng all or most widgets/contacts/shortcuts etc from the desktop(s)? I have seen this on a few occasions and was hoping that I was not alone and that htere might be a bug for it already.	02:08
Kamui	me too mtnbkr	02:08
Kamui	mountainbiker!	02:08
MohammadAG	never happened here mtnbkr	02:09
MohammadAG	(yet)	02:09
Kamui	happens when root is full	02:09
mtnbkr	Kamui: I just d/l'ed some desktops from the n900wallpaper.com and while trying to choose a new one, my desktops all went to empty. :(	02:09
Kamui	and sometimes when the mmcs are mounted	02:09
timeless_mbp	mtnbkr: open cterm	02:09
timeless_mbp	s/c/x/	02:09
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: mtnbkr: open xterm	02:09
timeless_mbp	df -h	02:09
timeless_mbp	pastebin the output	02:09
MohammadAG	cterm	02:10
MohammadAG	doesn't autocorrect I guess	02:10
Flandry	pupnik: ping	02:10
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timeless_mbp	? infobot applied my regexp	02:10
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MohammadAG	open xterm	02:10
MohammadAG	open cterm	02:11
mtnbkr	Kamui: rottfs is 84% and /home shows 1.7GB free	02:11
mtnbkr	trying a paste now.	02:11
Shadikka	Now that's a funky feature in a bot.	02:11
Shadikka	s/\./!/	02:11
Shadikka	aww.	02:11
timeless_mbp	s/?/=/	02:11
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: = infobot applied my regexp	02:11
* mtnbkr almost forgot his PHONE is a high tech computer with web browsing support lol		02:12
timeless_mbp	it doesn't deal w/ escape characters	02:12
Shadikka	s/./!/	02:12
infobot	Shadikka meant: aww!	02:12
timeless_mbp	it's more like "replace this fixed string" with "that fixed string"	02:12
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Shadikka	So it seems.	02:12
* Shadikka steals the idea for his own bot		02:12
timeless_mbp	infobots are a standard creature	02:12
timeless_mbp	they've been around for well over a decade...	02:12
Flandry	Is there a way to query the current keyboard localization?	02:13
Kamui	mtnbkr hmm, those are the two conditions that cause me to lose half of my widgets	02:13
Shadikka	Haven't had the pleasure of dealing with one before, it seems.	02:13
Kamui	it happens so often im no longer readding them	02:13
pierlux	timeless_mbp, strange, I do save the file with gtk-doc-tools in it and the .dsc file does not contain it :/	02:13
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pupnik	flandry yes?	02:13
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mtnbkr	MohammadAG: http://pastebin.ca/1740849	02:14
Flandry	was wondering if you want me to fiddle with the package setup for that port	02:14
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pupnik	only if it would be enjoyable	02:14
Flandry	lol	02:14
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pupnik	i will find a way	02:15
MohammadAG	mtnbkr, that should've been @ timeless_mbp	02:15
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* MohammadAG thinks		02:15
pupnik	but maybe not this month	02:15
Flandry	well i'd like to see it in the repo, so if it doesn't prove too hairy i'd figure it out	02:16
Flandry	but if you'll get around to it eventually i'll go fix the keyboard bug or something	02:16
Flandry	impossible :P	02:16
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pupnik	to detect current layout? ndidnt ukki do that ?	02:17
Flandry	ah i knew someone had	02:18
Flandry	thanks for the memory jog	02:18
mtnbkr	MohammadAG: lol and my command was supports to go to Kamui I think	02:18
MohammadAG	haha	02:19
corecode_	so what is this mer?	02:19
SpeedEvil	mer is maemo without the closed-source bits or functionality.	02:19
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corecode_	:)	02:19
SpeedEvil	It boots on n900 - but not much more IIRC.	02:19
SpeedEvil	join #mer	02:19
corecode_	well that's pointless	02:19
corecode_	:D	02:19
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SpeedEvil	corecode_: it's pointless at the moment.	02:20
SpeedEvil	corecode_: in a year - hopefully less so.	02:20
pupnik	not pointless to work-on	02:20
corecode_	seems that mer is mostly concerned with the OS part	02:21
corecode_	what about the UI components?	02:21
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corecode_	replacements (enhancements?) for the nokia proprietary software?	02:21
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SpeedEvil	yes	02:22
SpeedEvil	First it needs to be basically working - with all the hardware working if from the command line.	02:23
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SpeedEvil	then it needs UI	02:23
corecode_	indeed, although UI can be implemented in parallel	02:23
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corecode_	running on maemo	02:23
SpeedEvil	to a degree.	02:24
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SpeedEvil	Some hardware will of course be contended.	02:24
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corecode_	what do you mean?	02:24
SpeedEvil	can't have two apps recieving phone calls. (probably)	02:24
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corecode_	yes, but can disable the nokia one	02:25
corecode_	(i hope)	02:25
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Kamui	well you cant take pics while in a phone call	02:25
SpeedEvil	Another thing I hope is that some of the nokia stuff gets replaced 1:1	02:26
luke-jr	SpeedEvil: telepathy?	02:26
Kamui	so i figure two apps cant use the audio server at once	02:26
Kamui	err hardware	02:26
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corecode_	pictures and audio?	02:26
Kamui	i know	02:26
Kamui	get on a call and try to take a picture	02:26
corecode_	waiting for my phone	02:26
Kamui	the camera app refuses s	02:26
SpeedEvil	luke-jr: I was meaning more like the camera-UI.	02:27
SpeedEvil	luke-jr: Is there a good reason why it takes 9M of my 256?	02:27
SpeedEvil	luke-jr: err - 13	02:27
corecode_	that's why i'd like to see alternative open source implementations	02:27
Kamui	camstream	02:27
SpeedEvil	Or BME taking 3 meg?	02:27
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GeneralAntilles	~ping	02:28
infobot	~pong	02:28
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luke-jr	SpeedEvil: ...	02:29
SpeedEvil	Or alarmd taking 1.6 when cron takes .6 on my desktop	02:29
luke-jr	[18:24:39] <SpeedEvil> can't have two apps recieving phone calls. (probably)	02:29
luke-jr	that's all I was commenting on	02:29
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SpeedEvil	Ah - fair enough - your comment was unrelated to my ongoing rant.	02:29
corecode_	i see a lot of interesting hacking coming up	02:30
matthew-	ok still	02:30
matthew-	can pay someone	02:30
matthew-	for sorting it out for me :D	02:30
luke-jr	corecode_: BME is pretty much a lost cause without more demand	02:30
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corecode_	who is bme	02:30
luke-jr	or maybe that's better directed to SpeedEvil	02:30
corecode_	sorry, no phone yet	02:30
luke-jr	BME is the proprietary battery charger driver	02:30
corecode_	ah i see	02:30
matthew-	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37540&highlight=bloomberg	02:30
matthew-	:)	02:30
luke-jr	and GLES is pretty much a lost cause without someone buying whatever company owns the IP :p	02:31
SpeedEvil	And while it may be complex (though I'm not seeing how) it's no way in hell 3 meg of complex.	02:31
corecode_	magical operator new?	02:32
luke-jr	SpeedEvil: if things were only as complex as they needed to be, we could get by with 32 MB RAM	02:32
corecode_	hey my 80286 worked quite well with 1MB of RAM	02:32
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luke-jr	SpeedEvil: btw, BME on my N810 only uses 250 KB RAM	02:34
SpeedEvil	luke-jr: not looked at it other than cursorily.	02:36
SpeedEvil	luke-jr: Fixing my car brakes ATM - which was annoying.	02:36
SpeedEvil	Rust is evil.	02:37
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luke-jr	SpeedEvil: I don't know any way to get actual memory use under Maemo	02:37
luke-jr	under a normal GNU system, it's 'ps -eo size,pid,args \| sort -n'	02:37
luke-jr	but BusyBox's ps doesn't support that	02:37
pupnik	the new podcast 'economic thought before adam smith' is amazing	02:38
pupnik	oop	02:38
SpeedEvil	luke-jr: htop I was looking at rss	02:39
SpeedEvil	luke-jr: which as I understand is mostly accurate - minus shared	02:39
timeless_mbp	luke-jr: top/htop?	02:41
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Kamui	anyone whos already flashed got some advice or a guide they can link me too	02:41
Kamui	all ive found are sob stories about bricking :)	02:41
luke-jr	timeless_mbp: top doesn't show a useful measure	02:41
luke-jr	no clue on htop	02:41
luke-jr	'rss' is not useful if you have swap enabled	02:42
luke-jr	at least	02:42
timeless_mbp	/proc/pid/something :)	02:42
GeneralAntilles	Kamui,	02:42
GeneralAntilles	~flashing	02:42
infobot	methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	02:42
MohammadAG	~help	02:42
Kamui	thanks, im jumping the gun now :)	02:43
pupnik	/msg infobot help	02:43
MohammadAG	pupnik, ~help worked too	02:44
MohammadAG	but seriously, why is wtf a topic in that bot lol	02:44
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MohammadAG	srsly no unrar on the N900?	02:49
MohammadAG	nvm, doesn't show up in app mgr	02:50
SpeedEvil	apt-get install unrar	02:50
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MohammadAG	done that	02:51
luke-jr	MohammadAG: RAR is non-free, so shouldn't be used :P	02:51
MohammadAG	as I said it doesn't show up in app mgr	02:51
timeless_mbp	MohammadAG: app mgr shows user facing apps	02:51
timeless_mbp	rar hardly qualifies	02:51
MohammadAG	facing?	02:51
timeless_mbp	an app that has a gui is user facing	02:51
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GeneralAntilles	MohammadAG, i.e., they have GUIs.	02:51
timeless_mbp	an app that requires a command prompt or works as a service is not	02:52
GeneralAntilles	For the most part, anyway.	02:52
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MohammadAG	timeless_mbp, oh	02:53
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SpeedEvil	Hmm.	02:54
SpeedEvil	Tesso's website lists as a n900 spare part a combo 128M flash/RAM part	02:54
SpeedEvil	are there normally two of these?	02:54
SpeedEvil	And I wonder why they'd be a spare.	02:55
GeneralAntilles	lol	02:55
GeneralAntilles	It's a PoP	02:55
GeneralAntilles	Assembled at the factor	02:55
timeless_mbp	pop?	02:55
GeneralAntilles	So unless you can solder/desolder BGAs	02:55
GeneralAntilles	Package-on-Packago	02:55
SpeedEvil	yes, I know.	02:55
matthew-	Package on package	02:55
SpeedEvil	BGA soldering it's difficult.	02:55
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SpeedEvil	I just don't understand why it's a spare.	02:56
SpeedEvil	isn't difficult	02:56
GeneralAntilles	For anyone in the room who doesn't know what we're talking about: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/ASIC_%2B_Memory_PoP_Schematic.JPG	02:56
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GeneralAntilles	SpeedEvil, well, it's sold separately. . . .	02:56
SpeedEvil	GeneralAntilles: ?	02:57
GeneralAntilles	SpeedEvil, the part is bought separately from the SoC.	02:57
GeneralAntilles	So I guess that could make it "spare" in a vague sort of way.	02:57
timeless_mbp	soc?	02:58
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GeneralAntilles	System on a Chip	02:58
timeless_mbp	summer of code?	02:58
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, c'mon, these are super common TLAs in mobile stuff. :P	02:58
SpeedEvil	http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=397442&eventPage=1	02:58
luke-jr	he even capitalized it :P	02:58
timeless_mbp	Google SoC	02:58
timeless_mbp	it's the proper case.	02:58
luke-jr	-.-	02:58
SpeedEvil	yes - however - to list it in a spares list - along with keyboards and such seems odd.	02:59
luke-jr	System-on-Chip is the common TLA	02:59
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, context. :P	02:59
GeneralAntilles	SpeedEvil, indeed.	02:59
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nickangelo	hi, what version of arm is n900?	03:03
nickangelo	ok got it from /proc/cpuinfo	03:04
GeneralAntilles	Cortex A8	03:04
luke-jr	ARMv7	03:05
nickangelo	yeah i know but i need version to install gentoo :P	03:05
nickangelo	anyway thanks for help	03:05
luke-jr	nickangelo: #Gentoo-Embedded	03:05
luke-jr	don't expect "ARMv7 generic" will just work on N900 :p	03:06
luke-jr	but there are some guys there who have the specifics	03:06
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Kamui	smexy	03:06
Kamui	maemo 5 is mostly awesome	03:06
nickangelo	luke-jr: i want to chroot only	03:06
luke-jr	nickangelo: i c	03:06
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Kamui	i got the debian chroot working quite nicely	03:07
Kamui	most of those apps are a bit slow though...	03:07
luke-jr	I would want to run Gentoo w/ Maemo chroot <.<	03:07
luke-jr	if I had one	03:07
adalal1	what about it?	03:08
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adalal1	um, anyone know about a calling card application?	03:08
adalal1	for maemo	03:08
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pupnik	what does such an app do?	03:09
adalal1	well, create dialplans perhaps, or even a simple application that inserts numbers automatically b4 when the call is placed	03:09
pupnik	it is like another language to me	03:11
pupnik	to dial, i type numbers	03:11
adalal1	yeah	03:11
pupnik	or click contact	03:11
adalal1	but to call international, you'd perhaps want the phone to automatically dial a calling card number, which reduces the cost of call	03:12
pupnik	ahh	03:12
pupnik	cool idea	03:12
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adalal1	pupnik: it's not a new one...	03:13
adalal1	they've had such apps for symbian	03:13
pupnik	i dont think there is a free/community phone app yet	03:13
adalal1	i could use asterisk, but that's gonna drain my phone battery	03:14
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pupnik	this would be a good feature request imo	03:14
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luke-jr	adalal1: use asterisk at home	03:15
luke-jr	mod the phone app to send it the # you want to dial, then when it gets your incoming call (via cell phone), routes you there	03:15
adalal1	yeah, but it's a mobile, i'd want to be able to create dialplans on the move	03:15
adalal1	otherwise i'd just use my asterisk and voip accounts whilst at home	03:16
luke-jr	...	03:16
luke-jr	you're missing the point	03:16
luke-jr	it can do the simple stuff and remote control the home server	03:16
adalal1	use my 3g connection to connect to the asterisk at home?	03:16
luke-jr	and only use voice calls when you're ready for voice	03:16
luke-jr	and do the voice call to your home DID	03:17
adalal1	ahh	03:17
luke-jr	and have that route to the international #	03:17
adalal1	smart	03:17
adalal1	well	03:17
adalal1	i'd want a dialplan on the phone for that... lol, cuz all the contacts are on my phone anyawys	03:17
luke-jr	I said mod the phone app for a reason :P	03:17
adalal1	hmm	03:17
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luke-jr	you'd need to mod Asterisk too probably	03:18
adalal1	i probably will	03:18
adalal1	i'll look into it after my exams	03:18
luke-jr	that's the one reason I can't just get a phone and Bluetooth it :P	03:18
adalal1	lol	03:19
adalal1	im off to play quake for a bit brb	03:19
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MohammadAG	who knows some stuff about makefiles?	03:37
MohammadAG	as in making makefiles	03:37
MohammadAG	need some help	03:37
corecode_	here	03:37
* luke-jr <--		03:37
luke-jr	probably everyone here, actually	03:37
luke-jr	except Macer	03:37
MohammadAG	and me	03:37
corecode_	okay, luke is in a better tz	03:37
luke-jr	lol?	03:38
corecode_	so i'll go to bed	03:38
corecode_	are you not?	03:38
luke-jr	Central US	03:38
corecode_	there you go	03:38
luke-jr	:p	03:38
corecode_	central europe	03:38
luke-jr	MohammadAG: ask your question before corecode_ leaves	03:38
luke-jr	just in case	03:38
corecode_	tic	03:38
corecode_	tac	03:38
luke-jr	toe	03:38
corecode_	tic tac	03:38
MohammadAG	I'm trying to package the binaries into a debg	03:38
MohammadAG	-g	03:38
corecode_	(clock sound)	03:39
corecode_	deb != make	03:39
luke-jr	MohammadAG: that has nothing to do with make	03:39
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MohammadAG	and it's not copying the binary itself into the deb file	03:39
MohammadAG	it does	03:39
corecode_	deb is calling make install	03:39
MohammadAG	dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot	03:39
corecode_	but binary not appearing in staging area?	03:39
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corecode_	zzz	03:40
MohammadAG	install part in makefile	03:40
MohammadAG	install:	03:40
MohammadAG	cp braek /usr/bin	03:40
MohammadAG	cp braek-nographics.desktop /usr/share/hildon	03:40
luke-jr	MohammadAG: make install DESTDIR="$PWD/ii"	03:40
corecode_	ouch cp	03:40
luke-jr	MohammadAG: does that work?	03:40
luke-jr	LOL	03:40
MohammadAG	nomis, that's the problem, prolly asked the wrong person to help last night :/	03:40
MohammadAG	-mis	03:40
luke-jr	MohammadAG: that's a broken Makefile	03:40
MohammadAG	that's what I said :)	03:40
luke-jr	:)	03:40
corecode_	dunno about deb, but i guess DESTDIR safe, possibly also PREFIX would be good	03:41
MohammadAG	I just need to copy the modified braek binary to /usr/bin	03:41
corecode_	install -m 555 -o root -g root braek ${DESTDIR}${PREFIX}/bin	03:41
MohammadAG	and the makefile in the source doesn't have an install part	03:41
corecode_	and before have	03:41
corecode_	PREFIX=/usr	03:41
luke-jr	corecode_: that should be $(), no?	03:41
corecode_	luke-jr: both work	03:41
luke-jr	and PREFIX := /usr	03:41
luke-jr	one works better :P	03:42
corecode_	:=?	03:42
luke-jr	:= can be overridden by make cmdline	03:42
corecode_	= should as well	03:42
luke-jr	PREFIX=/usr forces it IIRC	03:42
corecode_	:= just evaluates the macros	03:42
MohammadAG	http://pastebin.com/d11765f3d	03:42
corecode_	FOO=1	03:42
corecode_	FOO=${FOO} 2	03:42
corecode_	-> error	03:42
corecode_	FOO:= ${FOO} 2	03:42
corecode_	1 2	03:42
corecode_	works	03:42
corecode_	etc.	03:42
corecode_	zzz	03:43
MohammadAG	luke-jr, so is the makefile good now?	03:43
MohammadAG	pastebin link above	03:43
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luke-jr	I guess	03:44
MohammadAG	well, testing	03:44
pupnik	in makefiles i always see brackets and not parens	03:44
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MohammadAG	still not copying it	03:45
MohammadAG	how do i list files in dpkg again?	03:45
MohammadAG	dpkg -what *.deb?	03:45
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luke-jr	pupnik: I've never seen brackets for variable expansion	03:48
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pupnik	-l ?	03:50
pupnik	where do you see brackets?	03:51
angasule	note to self: lock the touch screen before cleaning it	03:51
pupnik	times of london is SOOOO BUSTED!	03:53
pupnik	hahahahaha	03:53
pupnik	what a piece of shit	03:53
SpeedEvil	?	03:53
MohammadAG	note to self: http://www.youfail.org/	03:54
luke-jr	pupnik: comparisons	03:54
pupnik	speedevil - publishing fabricated documents	03:54
pupnik	they just got busted	03:54
MohammadAG	luke-jr, install: cannot create regular file `/home/mohammad/braek-1.1/braek-1.1/debian/braek/usr/bin': No such file or directory	03:54
SpeedEvil	pupnik: what docs?	03:55
luke-jr	meh	03:55
pupnik	http://kaosradioaustin.org/audio/download/24039/Anti-War_Radio_%281pm_on_Jan_6th%2C_2010%29.mp3	03:56
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pupnik	all the scoop	03:56
luke-jr	MohammadAG: install -d $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX){,/bin}	03:56
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pupnik	oops n900 fell to floor from cable stumble	03:57
SpeedEvil	ah	03:57
MohammadAG	same problem	03:57
MohammadAG	pupnik, any carpet on the floor?	03:58
MohammadAG	luke-jr, http://pastebin.com/d478c48d2	03:58
pupnik	stone	03:59
luke-jr	pizza	03:59
pupnik	battery flew out. no scrateches, all works fine	03:59
MohammadAG	pupnik, anything happened to it?	03:59
MohammadAG	I dropped my N97 to concrete a week before I sold it	04:00
luke-jr	...	04:00
MohammadAG	battery cover got a dent or two	04:00
MohammadAG	nothing else got broken	04:01
MohammadAG	when double clicking the deb file I can only see /usr/bin Selection is a directory luke-jr	04:01
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MohammadAG	so luke-jr any idea?	04:08
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Jef91	howdy all	05:03
pupnik	wb Jef91	05:03
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pupnik	hows the maemo hackingoing	05:03
Jef91	anyone know if there is a reason why the default terminal doesn't remember the last commands I entered?	05:03
pupnik	arrow up should work	05:03
pupnik	history is not	05:04
Jef91	it displays commands	05:04
Jef91	but not last one I entered...	05:04
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Jef91	talking about when i close terminal and reopen it later	05:04
pupnik	hmm dunno how that works exactly	05:05
Jef91	as for the maemo hacking, I have optifyed my first two packages using scratchbox :)	05:05
pupnik	nice	05:05
pupnik	doesnt work here	05:06
pupnik	what did u do	05:06
pupnik	add the optify command to rules?	05:06
pupnik	i am pressing reesume on a download	05:07
Jef91	http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO	05:08
ali1234	shell history badness is a common problem with busybox	05:08
Jef91	sorry about the delay, my AT&T 2.5g net is slow on my N900	05:08
ali1234	i wish i knew how to fix it, i'm sure there is a way	05:09
Jef91	ali1234 is there a different default terminal I can use on maemo?	05:09
ali1234	dunno. it isn't a problem of the terminal, but the shell	05:09
ali1234	i think someone installed bash	05:09
ali1234	that ought to fix it	05:10
ali1234	don't know exactly how to install it though	05:10
Jef91	huh	05:10
Jef91	anyone else have issues with the enter button/arrow keys in gmail?	05:10
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Jef91	wow gmail does not play nice with the maemo browser!	05:16
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GeneralAntilles	Jef91, try one of the mobile or HTML versions.	05:17
GeneralAntilles	Or just use Modest.	05:17
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dick-richardson	anyone know of a port of (or repository for) gnumeric for fremantle?	05:17
Jef91	yea yea... doing that now	05:18
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Jef91	not yet dick, its on my todo list thehehe	05:18
dick-richardson	any offline spreadsheet, really	05:18
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dick-richardson	Jef91: sweet!	05:18
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Jef91	I plan to do it as well as Abiword after I get wxMaxima optifyed	05:19
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Jef91	baring someone doesn't beat me to it	05:19
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kamui__	jeez, I was gonna start working on porting abiword next	05:58
kamui__	but it has like 20 deps	05:58
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GeneralAntilles	kamui__, there's also already a port. ;)	06:04
kamui__	for maemo 5?	06:04
kamui__	I think I saw something about running it only in debian on the N900	06:05
GeneralAntilles	For Maemo 4.	06:05
GeneralAntilles	But it's a better starting point than scratch. ;)	06:05
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kamui__	definately	06:06
kamui__	cd abils	06:07
kamui__	oops	06:07
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Flandry	porting for maemo is like quicksand	06:15
Flandry	it seems no big deal at first, then it sucks you in :P	06:16
go1dfish	runs quite well from debian, even in the maemo WM	06:18
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kamui__	sorry, I got distracted :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUq1Kb5OTI&feature=related	06:19
kamui__	go1dfish, you talkin about abiword?	06:19
kamui__	do the apps run natively in the chroot, or only through xephyr	06:19
kamui__	I never tried, and I have no idea why not :)	06:20
pupnik	question is wrong	06:21
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timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: so, i'm in the middle of writing a really stupid series of scripts	06:24
timeless_mbp	but hopefully once they're done, i'll be in a closer to publishing state :)	06:24
timeless_mbp	(this is an alternate path to a meeting scheduled for a few hours from now)	06:24
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davetha	Hello, I have an N900, and was wondering if by default its supposed to have the py* bind mounts, or is this due to a package dependency that I installed?	06:26
timeless_mbp	?	06:27
timeless_mbp	maemo5 doesn't include python	06:27
timeless_mbp	so if you have anything relating to python, someone added it	06:27
* timeless_mbp thinks that's right		06:28
pupnik	the py bind mounts are currently needed for python to work	06:29
davetha	Its /opt/pymaemo I'll see what package installed, it thanks... I thought I was being careful avoiding python related applications since there were so many deps for them.	06:29
timeless_mbp	for me, that's things like 'maemo-periodic', and 'gpodder'	06:29
pupnik	yeah i tried also	06:29
timeless_mbp	'solarwolf' ...	06:29
timeless_mbp	apt-cache rdepends pythong	06:30
timeless_mbp	sg//	06:30
timeless_mbp	gah	06:30
pupnik	hahaha	06:30
timeless_mbp	apt-cache rdepends python	06:30
pupnik	awesome	06:30
davetha	Yeah, I've been usually just compiling similar applications that don't use Python	06:30
pupnik	pythong.. cause it crawls up your crack	06:30
timeless_mbp	also 'mirror'	06:30
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davetha	pupnik, lol	06:30
davetha	I just noticed this IRC community, this is awesome.	06:31
davetha	When I joined I was hoping for... oh maybe 10 people?... 400+ is pretty nice.	06:31
pupnik	most wisely silent	06:32
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pupnik	davetha, it is also a searchable resource. often i find solutions in the logs	06:33
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celesteh	i just got the n900 today! it is so cool!	06:34
timeless_mbp	yeah, ++ to people who search the logs	06:34
timeless_mbp	but it's 6:30am in some parts of the world	06:34
timeless_mbp	so most people should be sleeping	06:34
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davetha	pupnik, Yeah I'll find it in a sec, I was just wondering because I was trying not to bloat it up with Python	06:35
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* timeless_mbp is trying to figure out how to generate a useful 'diff'		06:35
pupnik	davetha, or just dont worry about it	06:35
pupnik	can free up space if needed. locales..	06:36
davetha	pupnik, I'd rather not have crap laying around. Getting rid of some locales is a good idea :P	06:36
pupnik	you can get by without pythong, but some of the handiest apps use it	06:39
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davetha	There are usually open source applications that are similar that are written in other languages.	06:40
Jef91	Howdy All	06:40
pupnik	youtube, gpodder	06:41
pupnik	zoutube	06:41
pupnik	damn qwertz	06:41
Jef91	lol	06:41
Jef91	Anyone know if there is a CLI command I can use to upload a file to a server?	06:42
pupnik	i built lftp	06:42
pupnik	curl can do it too	06:42
Jef91	hrm.	06:44
Jef91	Anyone have like 20megs of server space somewhere I could upload a few debs to?	06:44
Jef91	I optifyed a few packages but I currently have no way to get them off my sandbox server lol	06:44
pupnik	t.m.o lets you attach small debs	06:45
Jef91	tmo?	06:45
pupnik	talk.maemo.org	06:45
davetha	Jef91, Just need FTP & Apache?	06:45
Jef91	davetha just somewhere I can upload a couple files to from a cli	06:45
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davetha	Jef91, is this for development or just to test?	06:46
Jef91	davetha testing the first couple of debian packages I've optifyed, want to see if they work on my N900	06:48
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davetha	ah ok	06:48
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davetha	Jef91, check PM	06:50
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pupnik	Jef91: to test, i scp package to MyDocs,then as root install with dpkg -i	06:53
pupnik	no needto dl from internet	06:54
Jef91	pupnik I know this - but a friend gave me access to their sandbox server online, but left me no way of getting the files off of it	06:55
Jef91	Thus why I need a place to upload where I can download them to my phone	06:55
pupnik	ahh	06:56
pupnik	'phone' is kind of a misnomer. why not 'camera' or 'radio'...	06:57
pupnik	we prefer 'device'	06:57
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Jef91	Computer, whatever	07:00
Jef91	Man I can't find a solid example of using sftp anywhere xD	07:01
Jef91	I always forget how many message boards I have accounts on until my birthday rolls around	07:02
Jef91	Sooo many emails	07:02
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davetha	Ah, found why those mounts were there... pymaemo-optify didn't remove correctly	07:05
go1dfish	pupnik: maybe just 'mobile' is a better term	07:08
go1dfish	device is way too generic	07:08
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pupnik	not bad	07:09
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Jef91	thanks davetha	07:18
davetha	No problem sir	07:18
Jef91	Got my files uploaded, downloading to my n900 now :)	07:18
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Jef91	Anyone know if I can edit the required version of a dependency for a package?	07:43
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davetha	hex? :P	07:53
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davetha	Jef91, where is the package?	07:56
Jef91	davetha on your ftp haha	07:57
davetha	which package name?	07:57
Jef91	the maxima package	07:57
davetha	and what is it complaining about?	07:57
davetha	which dep	07:57
Jef91	libc6 and libgcc1	07:58
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deadpooln900	hello there?!?	07:59
deadpooln900	anyone about who could possibly help me?!	07:59
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davetha	Jef91, do you need it to not depend on libc6 and libgcc?	08:01
davetha	Currently it depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.3), libgmp3c2, libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libreadline5 (>= 5.2), libsm6, libx11-6, libxaw7, libxext6, libxmu6, libxt6, gnuplot-nox	08:02
Jef91	daetha just earlier version of it	08:02
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Jef91	davetha the versions that maemo has	08:02
davetha	No idea what it has	08:03
davetha	lol	08:03
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ali1234	i would just like to point out that this is another reason why using depends to force library upgrades is a terrible idea if the packages don't actually need the latest library version	08:04
deadpooln900	im quite newto all this had my n900 a couple of weeks and trying to install pidgin for facebook but i need to save a file to /usr/lib/purple-2/ but it wont let me choose locations outside of N900 folder	08:04
Jef91	let me see	08:04
Jef91	libc 2.5.1	08:05
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Jef91	and libgcc1 1:4.2.1	08:05
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Jef91	how do you edit that?...	08:06
ali1234	deadpooln900: you'll have to use the x-term, and you'll probably need root access too	08:06
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davetha	ar vx debpackagehere	08:06
davetha	it will then give you 2 tarballs	08:06
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Jef91	doesn't work on my n900 >.<	08:07
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deadpooln900	ali1234: i can manage to gain root access but i dont know how to move files with commands.	08:08
Jef91	mv /path/to/file /place/to/put/file	08:08
davetha	maxima-new_5.13.0-3.1_armel.deb	08:08
davetha	check out that, see if it works	08:08
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Jef91	kk trying now	08:10
davetha	It may not work, but give it a try	08:10
Jef91	lol just a moment, my internet is horridly slow	08:11
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Jef91	davetha: No dice	08:13
Jef91	same versions required listed	08:13
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deadpooln900	that worked!! thank you!	08:16
davetha	Can you force install it?	08:18
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Jef91	heading off peace all	08:21
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celesteh	hey, i have a question: is maemo mapper out for the new phone?	08:29
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celesteh	it is my favourite app, but i'm not finding it searching maemo.org	08:31
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arachnist	celesteh: yes, there is a version of it available	08:31
arachnist	celesteh: but i think it's still in extras-devel	08:31
celesteh	so it's early beta?	08:33
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red	one could assume so :p	08:36
cehteh	considering all its bugs it will stay there for some time :P	08:38
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celesteh	the version i was running on the n800 wasn't very buggy. is it just not porting well t the new OS?	08:40
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celesteh	heh, it's partly why i got the n900 instead of another smart phone. maybe i should have done more research	08:40
tenfar	what's the best for Nokia N770?	08:40
luke-jr	trash bin	08:45
luke-jr	:)	08:45
arachnist	well, it has usb host	08:46
arachnist	one might use it as a wifi-enabled NAS	08:46
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tenfar	hi	08:48
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tenfar	what is a cost of get a Nokia N900	08:49
luke-jr	about $600	08:50
luke-jr	in the US	08:50
luke-jr	I hear it's $1000 in Russia	08:50
flux	I wonder what happened to that guy who was wondering about getting one off the web for $330, from some slightly suspicious vendor..	08:50
luke-jr	flux: that'd be me :)	08:50
tenfar	so.i cant offer one	08:50
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arachnist	about 2500pln ($880) in poland	08:50
flux	luke-jr, so did you do it?-)	08:50
luke-jr	flux: nope, not yet anyhow	08:51
luke-jr	tenfar: huh?	08:51
tenfar	about 7000 yuan in China?	08:51
flux	I paid $820 for mine in Finland, I suppose it can be bought for around $800 though	08:51
tenfar	i dont have that much money to buy a N900 so i still using N770	08:52
luke-jr	hmm	08:52
luke-jr	Google claims Nexus One is "open source"	08:52
flux	tenfar, I think you mean "afford" instead of "offer" then?	08:52
luke-jr	is it really, I wonder?	08:52
tenfar	yes .you are right flux	08:52
tenfar	in China these device are very expensive.but a used N700 is just $60USD	08:54
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tenfar	how can i build a bin format firmware for OS2007 Hacker Edition	08:56
tenfar	is there any tools	08:56
tenfar	i have make a custom rootfs.jffs2	08:56
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ShadowJK	"	09:00
Slasheri	hmm.. "no more PTYs".. those 4 ptys aren't enough for me, running multiple screen windows in debian chroot background..	09:02
Slasheri	maybe time to compile a custom kernel	09:02
arachnist	no	09:03
cehteh	you can configure that in /etc/init.d/rcS	09:03
arachnist	there's a sysctl you can set	09:03
Slasheri	oh! that's great!	09:03
cehteh	eyactly	09:03
ShadowJK	echo 64 >/proc/sys/kernel/pty/max	09:05
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ShadowJK	I forget if it's kern or kernel	09:05
Slasheri	ShadowJK: thanks, that works great :)	09:05
tenfar	how to pack kernel initfs rootfs secondloder to one bin file?	09:06
Slasheri	maybe it's best to put that in sysctl.conf	09:06
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RST38h	Nyko Wand+... hmmm...	09:15
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cehteh	uhm .. charging over usb sux :P	09:17
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ShadowJK	heh. outgoing calls don't work, internet over cellular doesn't work. got "General Error" or something like that, I don't remember, when I tried calling... let's see how to get it working	09:19
RST38h	moo, cehteh, ShadowJK	09:19
* ShadowJK tries switching network mode from dual to 3g		09:19
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cehteh	a statusbar switcher for that would be nice	09:20
ShadowJK	hm, that didn't work	09:21
* ShadowJK switches back to dual		09:21
* ShadowJK tries gsm		09:22
DocScrutinizer51	ShadowJK: contact your carrier's hotline ;-)	09:23
ShadowJK	yeah the other phone with same number works fine	09:24
ShadowJK	now how do you get some fucking diagnostics out of this thing...	09:24
RST38h	"actuaries have beaten software engineers - just - to scoop the title of best job to have in 2010"	09:25
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ShadowJK	docscrutinizer: they'll just tell me something silly like "have you tried turning it off and on again?"	09:25
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ShadowJK	this is an always-on(line) device, damnit! :)	09:25
* ShadowJK tries offline mode		09:26
DocScrutinizer51	ShadowJK: if same sim works in other phone - then yes that's all you get for advice	09:26
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ShadowJK	well I haven't tried swap sim cards around	09:28
ShadowJK	after switching back to online mode, wlan no longer workd either	09:28
* ShadowJK types this on n810 now :-/		09:29
ShadowJK	(and gsm/3g still doesn't work)	09:29
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ShadowJK	Somehow I have a feeling that even with syslog installed this thing wouldn't give any useful diagnostics :/	09:32
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ShadowJK	oh, hm, wifi came back, kinda	09:35
ShadowJK	it's only finding the far-away AP...	09:36
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ShadowJK	bleh	09:41
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* ShadowJK gives up and reboots it		09:44
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ShadowJK	and it immediately boots with phone signal... sigh.	09:45
villager	I had to reboot it yesterday to make it connect to wlans again	09:45
villager	the software still has bunch of "reboot to fix this" bugs...	09:46
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ShadowJK	I wonder how to even begin collecting any info on those things...	09:49
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ShadowJK	Ok so fine you can put a bunch of "device loses cellular and wifi and needs reboot" into bugs.maemo.org, but that's probably not going to go anywhere	09:50
RST38h	But at least you will get personal satisfaction from filing these :)	09:50
mece	interestingly, I've never rebooted my device	09:51
mece	works fine.	09:52
RST38h	for how long?	09:52
mece	Battery has died on me a couple of times though.	09:52
ShadowJK	for personal satisfaction I'd rather fill stuff like '"General Error' does not describe the error nor help the user resolve the error' type things	09:52
mece	3 days 15 hours says uptime	09:52
cehteh	ShadowJK: i have the problem here that it cant acquire an ip address from my AP, dunno what causes it	09:52
DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: not really. futile effort	09:52
cehteh	prolly my crappy AP .. now i gave it a static ip, that works	09:53
DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: my last uptime was 14d	09:53
mece	RST38h I've had the device since december 4th. It has never rebooted itself and it has never needed a reboot.	09:53
ShadowJK	Oh I have it set to static IP address and it was still giving me errors about not finding ip address...lol	09:54
mece	DocScrutinizer51, pretty cool	09:54
cehteh	uhm remind me to send my device back	09:54
RST38h	mece: And it is not slow?	09:54
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DocScrutinizer51	then I forced reboot as microb got greedy	09:54
RST38h	mece: When you try making a photo, it does not lag?	09:54
RST38h	ShadowJK: yuk!	09:55
ShadowJK	I had about 30 days uptime, but then I switched it off to lend the sim card to my cousin's laptop, I wasn't carrying any spare cards, and the boot after that became prettty short :/	09:55
mece	RST38h, no, not really. But then again only 3 days uptime right now..	09:55
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DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: (lag) no	09:55
cehteh	DocScrutinizer51: vaccuming firefox (and possibly microb's) sqlite database massively improves performance at least on desktop systems but prolly for any sqlite database also on the n900	09:55
mece	RST38h, sometimes it does. I just took a photo. About 1 second of "processing image" was the most lag I got.	09:55
mece	cehteh, how does one go about vacuuming it?	09:56
ShadowJK	just disable swap and browserd goes aieee can't live without swap, and proceeds to suicide	09:57
cehteh	mece: close all apps accessing that db, mand then commandline echo "VACUUM;" \| sqlite3 the_db.sqlite	09:58
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* cehteh waits for ramz becoming available for the n900		09:58
DocScrutinizer51	killall browserd usually helps a lot here whenever things come to a grinding halt	09:58
cehteh	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=363118#post363118	09:59
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cehteh	lemme try the test package	10:00
ShadowJK	is that formmaemo4 or maemo5	10:02
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cehteh	looks like for mamemo4 but he claims he has some test builds for maemo5	10:06
DocScrutinizer51	seems keeping pages with JS or flash(!) open for hours and days makes browserd act greedy	10:07
cehteh	what do you expect?	10:08
cehteh	its a firefox browser :P	10:08
ShadowJK	I know pages that consume all ram in <1hour :)	10:09
DocScrutinizer51	funny thing last time I run into that was: everything fine until inbound call. inbound call GUI was a little sluggish but worked in the end. Just when I finished call, almost everything even to X borked	10:10
ShadowJK	wwttff aallll kkeeyyss aarree rreepepeaatteedd ttwwiiccee nnooww oonn nn990000	10:11
DocScrutinizer51	hahaha	10:11
Muhvi	nice effect	10:11
DocScrutinizer51	parkinson?	10:11
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ShadowJK	maybe osk still works	10:11
ShadowJK	oh it does	10:12
DocScrutinizer51	no kidding?	10:12
DocScrutinizer51	then that's really funny	10:12
ShadowJK	ok, either activating the osk or closing the slide fixed it	10:12
slonopotamus	ShadowJK, lol. i had same bug	10:12
ShadowJK	I'm not making this up	10:12
* cehteh always runs firefox in a kill/restart loop		10:13
slonopotamus	ShadowJK, can't repeat it, though.	10:13
DocScrutinizer51	a pretty nice one	10:13
DocScrutinizer51	kbd driver loaded twice - or sth	10:13
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ShadowJK	I was typing in a ip at the time it happened, doing double Fn alot	10:15
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DocScrutinizer51	never had that. if it's triggered by double Fn it's a bug in kbd driver itself	10:18
cehteh	ShadowJK: typing ip's really sux with the input method i usually lock Fn and then type ne numbers only 127001 then unlock and adding the dots	10:18
DocScrutinizer51	yeah	10:19
ShadowJK	heh, why didn't I think of that..	10:20
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mece	cehteh, me too. It would be nice with . working with fnlock... that would make it soo much faster.	10:20
DocScrutinizer51	maybe because it,s just as painfull	10:20
ShadowJK	ok. wtf. now I'm getting 5mbit on 3g/hspa	10:21
cehteh	mece: or a special widget for entering ip's	10:21
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cehteh	[].[].[].[]	10:21
mece	umm?	10:21
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DocScrutinizer51	won't help much on terminal	10:21
ShadowJK	but that's as much åain copy/pasting it into xterm...	10:21
cehteh	yeah	10:21
ShadowJK	pain*	10:21
mece	cehteh, I didn't follow the discussion really. I usually only type ip's in xterm.	10:22
cehteh	well i just ssh to the device when i need serious keyboarding	10:22
ShadowJK	600kbytes/sec download on hspa... I'm only paying for 2mbit :)	10:22
DocScrutinizer51	tweak xmodmap (or whatever)	10:22
cehteh	i did	10:22
* slonopotamus curses fremantle symbols kb		10:22
mece	ShadowJK, perhaps they forgot to limit it.	10:22
cehteh	well last flashing prolly destroyed it grr	10:22
cehteh	shift-space=tab shift-return=escape	10:23
ShadowJK	mece: maybe, and this is 7.2M down to 5M due to distance	10:23
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mece	ShadowJK, I have 384Mbit limit, but it's over 1Mb on the upload :D	10:23
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ShadowJK	kbit you mean? ;p	10:23
mece	ShadowJK, haha lol yes. the slowest possible. I'm poor, and have wlan mostly.	10:24
ShadowJK	the 2mbit was a special offer at 9.90€ :)	10:25
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RST38h	slonopotamus: BTW, I have found a way to switch kbd layouts on the fly	10:26
RST38h	Physical layouts that is	10:26
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cehteh	Physical layouts as in moving keycaps? :)	10:30
cehteh	setxkbmap	10:30
cehteh	for changing the mapping	10:30
cehteh	RST38h: btw there i a funny bug in xchat	10:31
cehteh	tap on the channel text or select something, here it inserts a space (or some random character) before the selection	10:32
cehteh	prolly some off-by-one error re-rendering text	10:32
RST38h	cehteh: Mhhhm	10:33
cehteh	seen it?	10:33
RST38h	cehteh: I will check. Could you email me about this, so that it stays in the mailbox	10:33
RST38h	no have not seen it	10:33
cehteh	your mail is?	10:33
RST38h	see msg	10:33
cehteh	ok	10:34
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cehteh	test	10:37
ceh900	reconf	10:38
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ShadowJK	sent 68 bytes received 535045682 bytes 749888.93 bytes/sec	10:45
ShadowJK	hspa :o	10:45
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niqt	hi	10:47
niqt	i tried add my application in extradevel, but build fails beacuse i use Qt 4.6 but autobuild use /usr/bin/qmake; can be used with the autobuild qmake correct?	10:48
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RST38h	cehteh: You applied ZAGG's invisible shield, right?	10:59
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RST38h	Anyone here ever applied Invisible Shield?	11:11
slonopotamus_	nope, only Boots of Speed	11:12
slonopotamus_	:P	11:12
ifreq	lol	11:12
* RST38h strongly suspects he will end up claiming money back from ZAGG =(		11:15
RST38h	But let us wait for 24 hours	11:15
furunk3l	hehe	11:15
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Arkenoi	what's wrong with it?	11:16
ccooke	Morning, all	11:16
furunk3l	morning	11:16
Arkenoi	and why did you order it if you have that fabric case already?	11:16
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RST38h	Arkenoi: bubbles	11:17
RST38h	Arkenoi: want to protect the display against my own fingers	11:17
cehteh	RST38h: nope i have a DuraSec HighTec	11:18
cehteh	not really satisfied, thick rubbery thing	11:18
cehteh	but works and certainly protects excellent	11:18
konttori_nokia	does anybody know if the opengl python bindings are coming any time soon (or does pygame already have them)	11:19
cehteh	RST38h: wait a few days, bubbles usually gas out and vanish	11:19
RST38h	cehteh: these are 2-3mm in diameter	11:19
cehteh	my protectot first looked really ugly. a lot tinly bubbles/milky look	11:20
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cehteh	uh then you applied it wrong	11:20
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* RST38h applied it right		11:20
cehteh	heh	11:20
RST38h	exactly as directed	11:20
cehteh	then wait a few days	11:20
cehteh	my protector is now like a 2nd skin	11:20
RST38h	ok, I will...	11:20
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cehteh	times befor i used self cut ahesive laminating foil and applied it with destilled water/isopropanole	11:21
cehteh	that was without bubbles too	11:21
cehteh	but it always takes a few days to settle finally	11:21
cehteh	how is the zagg in feel?	11:21
cehteh	when i exchange my device i search for a better replacement	11:22
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cehteh	this durasec thing is a bit odd .. feel differs depending on how much finger grease is on the display, if you clean it its sticky and rubbery, you cant easily swipe	11:23
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cehteh	when its dirty with grease its very slippery	11:23
cehteh	neither is good :/	11:23
Gadgetoid_mbp	High resolution capacitive touch screen- that sounds like an oxymoron!	11:25
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cehteh	dunno .. i think technology can advance	11:26
cehteh	even capacitative	11:26
cehteh	but to be seen	11:26
Gadgetoid_mbp	Fingers can't advance	11:26
cehteh	well software can, i think you can do a lot magic in firmware to get better precision out	11:26
konttori_nokia	you can have bigger screen ;)	11:27
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konttori_nokia	then you can increase the resolution !	11:27
hrw	morning	11:27
edheldil	and little children have tiny fingers	11:27
cehteh	its not like raw data are the exact point where the screen is pressed anyways	11:27
cehteh	firmware has to translate that	11:27
Gadgetoid_mbp	konttori_nokia: that works better for me!	11:27
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Gadgetoid_mbp	The iPhone seems to have it about right, but stepping up to the Droid just makes web browsing horrible	11:28
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ifreq	cehteh: zagg feels sticky	11:28
ifreq	removed it after 30min usage	11:28
cehteh	ok then thats no alternative	11:28
Gadgetoid_mbp	iPhone 3Gs was stupidly easy to jailbreak, if it had a slide-out keyboard I'd use one	11:29
Gadgetoid_mbp	Hoorah for the UK, first result for "nokia n900 vs motorola milestone"	11:29
cehteh	ifreq: prolly the same 3M material, forgotten its name, but its certainly the majority and only cut and rebranded by certain companies	11:29
cehteh	ifreq: but well .. i have the impression my durasec improve a little bit after some use	11:30
cehteh	its ok now just not perfect	11:30
ifreq	i usually keep my phone in separate pocket away from keys and shit	11:31
ifreq	so think ill survive	11:31
cehteh	i do the exact opposite, i want to mount it on my bike, take it when hiking and such :)	11:31
ifreq	heh right	11:32
ifreq	ive got garmin 706 for bike :)	11:32
ifreq	or was it 705.. anyways	11:32
ShadowJK	which durasec?	11:32
cehteh	so this fat protectr foil is prolly right	11:32
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cehteh	ShadowJK: hightec	11:32
dnaumov	ifreq: zagg sticky? I hope you read the installation manual which clearly says to let it dry for 12+ hours after application	11:33
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ifreq	dnaumov: yes but the other side(the side you touch) feels sticky	11:33
cehteh	yeah .. it has to settle, it will improve a lot by that	11:33
ifreq	it doesnt get wet on the touching side	11:33
ifreq	:)	11:33
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dnaumov	ifreq: yes it does... as per the installation manual	11:34
ifreq	nope it doesnt	11:34
cehteh	ifreq: as i saied after using it its covered with finger grease then its not sticky anymore	11:34
cehteh	rather slippy then :P	11:34
ifreq	installation manual says you wet it from the contact side	11:34
ifreq	dnaumov: how that will affect the side youre touching.	11:34
ifreq	cehteh: yeh, just didnt like the feel of it	11:34
dnaumov	ifreq: and after fitting the screen, you also wet the front side before you start using the card to squeeze bubbles	11:35
cehteh	last time i cleaned it it was sticky again ... so now i only wipe it slightly but be careful not to clean all grease away	11:35
ifreq	dnaumov: ah that one okay	11:35
cehteh	ifreq: yes arguable its not that nice. but it will improve after a few days	11:35
cehteh	so pulling it off after 30 minutes can only give you an wrong impression	11:36
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ifreq	true	11:36
ifreq	im happy without tho :)	11:36
cehteh	its not that i like it (my durasec, prolly the same or similar material)	11:36
cehteh	but it got a lot better in the first days	11:36
ifreq	y	11:37
dnaumov	it was pretty bad about 6 hours after application	11:37
dnaumov	24 hours after application, I couldnt notice any difference	11:37
ShadowJK	cehteh, is the hitec sticky?	11:38
cehteh	did you read backlog? :)	11:38
pupnik	3M was an impressively innovative company, for a while at least	11:38
* cehteh likely applies laminating foil on the next device as i ever did, that has the right feel, is scratch resistant and costs me only a few cent		11:40
cehteh	the n900 was the first device for what i bought a protector	11:40
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cehteh	with postage it cost me more than 10 euros ...	11:40
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cehteh	duh ... maybe it protects well, but ...	11:41
RST38h	dnaumov: So, are 2-3mm bubbles ok right after installation?	11:41
cehteh	RST38h: when these remain after 2-3 days you can peel it carefully off and reapply	11:41
RST38h	hmmm	11:41
cehteh	you can do that now .. but i'd rather recommend some patience	11:42
flux	well, my zagg is sticky after a few weeks	11:42
flux	but it's tolerable	11:42
cehteh	why does the camera stop the media player btw?	11:45
RST38h	using the same video overlay?	11:45
cehteh	uhm .. just playing music	11:45
pupnik	maybe camera needs all of dsp	11:46
Gadgetoid_mbp	consistently playing music in the background seems to be the N900s weak point	11:46
cehteh	yeah	11:46
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pupnik	sometimes playing stuff with mplayer, volume goes silent. i have to stop mplayer, start media player, pick a file (click click click click ) to get to the volume bar, which is at zero	11:48
pupnik	any better solutions?	11:48
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jaek_	how can you tell what dns server dnsmasq is using?	11:50
cehteh	send SIGUSR1 (or was is SIGUSR2) to it	11:51
Gadgetoid_mbp	pupnik: buy an iPod :D	11:51
cehteh	or just inspect /tmp/resolv.conf*	11:51
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jaek_	ah it is grabbing the domain too...	11:52
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dnaumov	RST38h: generally, yes	11:56
dnaumov	RST38h: after I installed mine, there were a fair share of small bubbles I couldnt get rid of	11:57
dnaumov	but they dissapeared with time, completely	11:57
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cehteh	same here	11:57
Stskeeps	morning andre__	11:58
* ShadowJK is using durasec cleartec.. it's not sticky... to the point that it doesn't stick properly to the screen :-)		11:59
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ShadowJK	I guess that's why they sell 5 at a time	11:59
dnaumov	lol	11:59
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andre__	heja Stskeeps	12:00
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RST38h	dnaumov: coool! waiting then!	12:03
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cehteh	ShadowJK: lol .. i read about that and rather tought 'oh noe better hightec'	12:05
mece	Anyone know if the request icon bug in libpurple has ben adressed?	12:05
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corecode_	isn't that zagg protector a bit wrinkly?	12:05
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corecode_	or at least doesn't look completely flat?	12:06
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wazd	heya maemo	12:06
cehteh	corecode_: durasec hightec is	12:06
cehteh	but just very litte, barely noticeable	12:06
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cehteh	doesnt look like a polished surface	12:07
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corecode_	i wonder whether a protector is really necessary	12:07
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RST38h	it is	12:08
cehteh	for me i am sure it is :)	12:08
cehteh	but depend how you use your device	12:08
wazd	HP Slate, hmmm	12:08
cehteh	and sidenote .. if you peel it off you have a perfect display .. just in case you want to sell your device	12:09
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RST38h	Ahhahaha, Microsoft decided to announce theirs BEFORE Apple's	12:10
corecode_	what?	12:10
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zaheerm	tablets	12:11
* corecode_ eyes engadget		12:11
RST38h	The usual stuff - Atom, Windows, IE	12:11
Gadgetoid_mbp	Yeah.. because we haven't had tablet PCs for the last 10 years...	12:11
RST38h	So do not hold your breath, they are just repackaging UMPC/MID	12:12
Gadgetoid_mbp	~RST38h++	12:12
cehteh	will this charging ever end?	12:14
cehteh	was half full, charging since 4hrs .. on usb, my charger is broken	12:14
flux	charging over computer usb might take quite a while	12:16
flux	especially if you're consuming power at the same time	12:16
corecode_	usb can only charge 500mA, or?	12:18
dnaumov	RST38h: is t here some liveblog of things going on at CES?	12:18
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Muhvi	i won't use protector on N900, if i scratch it too much, i'll just buy new screen	12:20
corecode_	Muhvi: how much is a new screen?	12:21
flux	also, how much of a trouble is it to install one?	12:21
cehteh	corecode_: yes	12:21
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wazd	Ok,	12:22
wazd	Click to read 1558 more words	12:22
wazd	:D	12:22
* Arkenoi tries to figure out how does the thing look, having just 2 photo fragments on the site is plain silly: http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=4883&t_mode=des		12:22
cehteh	new screen is likely one of the more expensive parts	12:22
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RST38h	dnaumov: engadget suffices for me	12:23
wazd	Arkenoi: looks like it's just a simple leather pocket	12:24
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Arkenoi	you do not need new screen if yours become scratched	12:25
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Arkenoi	it is just cheap plastic cover	12:25
cehteh	Arkenoi: http://lumiera.org/n900_case3.jpg http://lumiera.org/n900_case4.jpg	12:25
DocScrutinizer51	(charging) also last 3% need another 60minutes	12:26
RST38h	urgh	12:26
cehteh	DocScrutinizer51: i just pulled it out now	12:27
DocScrutinizer51	that's caused by CC/CV charging mode mandatory for LiIon	12:27
flux	docscrutinizer51, a time estimate for charging would be great ;)	12:27
DocScrutinizer51	2h	12:27
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DocScrutinizer51	flux: always a good guess.	12:28
* Stskeeps is playing with getting a USB serial console for n900		12:28
corecode_	haha is that a sock?	12:28
flux	..a real time one on the phone, that is	12:28
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Muhvi	corecode_, dunno, prolly ~100 euros	12:30
ceh900	neoprene over vacuformed shell	12:30
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RST38h	SPAMMERS: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/01/500x_057-500x323.jpg	12:32
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frals	lol	12:32
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Muhvi	yeah well i meant the cover not the touchscreen	12:33
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DocScrutinizer51	Muhvi: touch window assembly 55.- http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900	12:37
DocScrutinizer51	LCD is 89.-	12:38
RST38h	<frals> lol	12:38
frals	RST38h: teh wat	12:39
frals	it was funny!	12:39
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RST38h	nothing, cut&paste failed again	12:39
frals	:D	12:39
corecode_	Muhvi: $14 seems	12:40
ceh900	7eur for stylus woot dont loose it	12:40
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Muhvi	cheapo	12:41
Muhvi	can you change it by yourself	12:41
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DocScrutinizer51	Muhvi: http://www.tehkseven.net/news/nokia-news/nokia-n900-disassembly/	12:42
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Arkenoi	any chance moscow nokia flagship store will get cp321s? i want white one as well	12:43
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Muhvi	thanks dockane_	12:43
Muhvi	oops	12:43
Muhvi	DocScrutinizer51 i mean :)	12:43
DocScrutinizer51	yw	12:43
Jaffa	Oooh, just realised. I should reinstall the emulators :-)	12:45
RST38h	Jaffa: You should reinstall and VOTE.	12:45
wazd	Arkenoi: NFS doesn't have black e63, what do you want :)	12:46
RST38h	Jaffa: Because none of the gimme-gimme characters in those emulator threads ever vote	12:46
Jaffa	RST38h: Indeed, was going to do my QA duty :)	12:46
RST38h	Jaffa: If you have time, do test the latest Speccy in -Testing too	12:47
RST38h	Jaffa: Looks like it only needs 1-2 votes for promotion	12:47
Jaffa	RST38h: Cool, was never that much into Speccy's (more of a BBC man), but will give it a go.	12:49
Jaffa	Ah, Elite - that's what I've used Speccy emulators for in the past ;-)	12:49
* RST38h quickly votes for both Gweleds, htop, and video decoders, while maemo.org is working		12:49
RST38h	Jaffa: There is a NES version too, BTW, but it does some weird tricks to the PPU	12:49
_berto_	Jaffa: were there many games for the BBC ?	12:50
frals	RST38h: VGBA is missing its icon in the app menu (just saying)	12:50
guido_g	fennec & large download on n900 -> reboot :/ sigh	12:51
Jaffa	RST38h: BTW, not optified?	12:51
RST38h	Jaffa: Speccy is	12:51
Wolfie	so, when is ines et al coming back to the maemo repos?	12:51
RST38h	Jaffa: VGBA is not, it is too small. And yes, it is not missing any icons	12:51
Wolfie	there was no schedule in the news article	12:51
RST38h	Jaffa: if you see a blue square, it is Hildon bug	12:52
* Arkenoi reads http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=457040#post457040 and wonders if anyone actually used landline SMS in Moscow		12:52
RST38h	Oh, wait, that was to frals	12:52
Jaffa	RST38h: iNES not; and Speccy's main binary isn't in /opt.	12:52
RST38h	Jaffa: That is fine, as far as I care	12:52
frals	RST38h: Roger, it's a blue square	12:52
Jaffa	RST38h: But they aren't enormous	12:52
RST38h	Jaffa: how enormous?	12:52
RST38h	400kB at most?	12:52
Jaffa	frals: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931	12:52
povbot`	Bug 6931: After installation of software last icon in "More..." view has default icon instead of own one	12:52
Jaffa	RST38h: Yeah, something like that	12:53
RST38h	200kB on the average?	12:53
RST38h	That is not enormous enough	12:53
Jaffa	Indeed, what I said ;-)	12:53
frals	Jaffa: cheers	12:53
RST38h	Surely won't make me start keeping two separate package trees for Maemo4 and Maemo5 :)	12:53
TomaszD	I'll be on and off today, but if anyone can tell me how can I check the state of trackerd from a postinst file and start it if it's dead, I'd gladly appreciate any hints (the problem is that running tracker-status as root segfaults, but it's not the only one)	12:53
RST38h	All the data I optified though, this will work well on both Maemo4 and Maemo5	12:54
pupnik	linux on the kindle DX would be nice - device has nice screen/thincase	12:54
Jaffa	RST38h: Complete optification shouldn't hurt Maemo 4, FWIW.	12:54
RST38h	Tomaszd: pidof?	12:54
RST38h	Jaffa: But it will, if someone moves /opt to FAT	12:54
DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: is xchat still nuking my old personal settings on upgrade?	12:55
RST38h	pupnik: Refresh time is pita though	12:55
RST38h	DocScrutinuzer: It has never done that	12:55
TomaszD	RST38h, maybe it doesn't look like it, but when it comes to the nitty gritty I'm still bit of a newb, I'll look into it	12:55
RST38h	DocScrutinuzer: In fact, I explicitly tell you to do that BY HAND if you want to try new defaults and lower power drain	12:56
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DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: sure it did. Suddenly I had fsckg black bg	12:56
RST38h	TomaszD: No, "pidof" is a program you should run =)	12:56
RST38h	DocScrutinizer: Ah, you probably did not have color settings saved so it applied new defaults	12:57
TomaszD	RST38h, I know, I just probably don't know how to use it yet	12:57
Jaffa	RST38h: True, but they get what they deserve then. BTW, like the new menu in iNES; but full screen no longer stretches?	12:57
TomaszD	:)	12:57
RST38h	Jaffa: It should not	12:57
RST38h	Jaffa: Should always keep the original ratio, and it does	12:57
DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: ok. I,ll dare to give 14 a try then. And vote :-)	12:58
* Jaffa wonders if the PulseAudio hang bug has been fixed in PR1.1 (or have you worked around it RST38h)		12:58
RST38h	DocScrut: Actually, I consider the black background a feature :)	12:58
RST38h	Jaffa: AFAIK it has not been	12:58
DocScrutinizer51	not me though	12:58
RST38h	Jaffa: But I worked around it a little bit, you will no longer have to reboot, just have to quit media player	12:59
* cehteh wants a black on white screen for work in bright sunlight		12:59
pupnik	heh the kindle drm appears to have been hacked Dec 23	12:59
cehteh	s/screen/theme	12:59
cehteh	doesnt need to be pretty, but functional	12:59
pupnik	the terminal is black on white	13:00
cehteh	yes	13:00
corecode_	oh no compass? :/	13:00
cehteh	my xchat too	13:00
cehteh	corecode_: blitzmerker :P	13:00
corecode_	sniff	13:00
cehteh	yeah	13:00
cehteh	and lots of magnets in the device	13:01
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DocScrutinizer51	cehteh: you bet (b on w). Also much easier to read	13:01
cehteh	DocScrutinizer51: exactly .. most importantly in bright sunlight	13:02
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cehteh	transreflexive display works only well if there is some area where it can collect light	13:02
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cehteh	white on black is more stylish, sure .. but wont work well in really bright light	13:03
DocScrutinizer51	on OM Freerunner a black screen even pulls some additional 30mA from battery :-P	13:03
cehteh	prolly the opposite on the n900	13:03
cehteh	this screen is default blacj	13:03
cehteh	k	13:03
wazd_n800	omg...	13:04
DocScrutinizer51	and another 30 to 60 for higher backlight setting to read the shitty w on b	13:04
cehteh	with a dedicated black on white theme you can prolly turn the backlight off when its really bright	13:05
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cehteh	the transreflexive display works somewhat good	13:06
DocScrutinizer51	cehteh: not yet determined. Might be video data lines which draw some current for each black pixel	13:06
wazd_n800	maybe I'll tell yp	13:06
wazd_n800	you something sacred	13:07
wazd_n800	but impall screens are	13:07
wazd_n800	fuck	13:07
wazd_n800	but immo all screens are white when disabled	13:08
DocScrutinizer51	nope	13:08
wazd_n800	"transparent"	13:08
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Macer	wow. seriously have to add hinet.net to some sort of blocking thing	13:08
DocScrutinizer51	that depends on LCD and polarizer setup	13:08
Macer	they're starting to piss me off	13:08
Macer	keep trying to send relays through my mail server	13:08
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wazd_n800	toucj	13:09
wazd_n800	fuuuck!	13:09
RST38h	Macer: you too?	13:09
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wazd_n800	touchscreen of my n800 keeps droping :(	13:09
cehteh	wazd_n800: when you turn the n900 off and pull the battery out the screen is black	13:10
RST38h	hinet is a chinese cesspool	13:10
RST38h	more or less like geocities in the US or narod.ru in Russia	13:10
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flux	cehteh, ..obviously, because the backlight isn't on..	13:10
cehteh	nope because the polarizer is made that way that it defaults to black	13:11
DocScrutinizer51	flux: not obviously	13:11
wazd_n800	cehteh, are you sure it's not transparent?)	13:11
DocScrutinizer51	cehteh: exactly	13:11
cehteh	absolutely	13:11
Macer	Taipei, Taiwan 100	13:11
Macer	go figure	13:11
cehteh	isnt that the same with the iphone?	13:11
flux	docscrutinizer51, well, I suppose if you take the 'is black' literally instead of understanding it as 'appears black'	13:11
cehteh	(me rarely sees iphones and never in poweroff state)	13:11
Macer	RST38h: yeah. i have to deny them. or filter all of hinet	13:11
Macer	:)	13:11
flux	docscrutinizer51, what kind of LCD display would not look black without a light source?	13:11
flux	(without power)	13:12
wazd_n800	and black screen with no backlight shows the same color?)	13:12
Macer	it's starting to piss me off	13:12
cehteh	flux: desktop calculators for example :)	13:12
flux	cehteh, they have a light source ;)	13:12
cehteh	and you can make a white screen and turn backlight off on the n900 (with some /sys stuff)	13:12
cehteh	then you see the difference	13:12
DocScrutinizer51	flux: it's not about 'looking black' - it's about transparent versus black	13:13
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wazd_n800	as I can see on pictures of all LCD's - they are 'grayish'	13:13
cehteh	the n900 has a transrefletive display, its quite greyish depending on enviroment lighting	13:13
flux	hm, did transreflective displays really get non-black without power?	13:13
Macer	i'mw atching a national geographic thing about volcanoes	13:13
Macer	and this crazy bastard is going intoa molten volcano crater	13:13
cehteh	if you hold it in bright light it doesnt need backlight	13:13
Macer	wtf	13:13
wazd_n800	it is the color of backlight layer I guess	13:14
* Arkenoi wonders if the screen really takes that much power we cannot have familliar "always on" screensaver with weather and clock like s60 does		13:14
flux	and it gets 'blacker' if it's on?	13:14
cehteh	flux: the non power state only depoends on the polarizer setup	13:14
flux	I suppose yes	13:14
cehteh	the n900 doesnt get 'blacker' when you turn it on	13:15
DocScrutinizer51	c'mon all of you seen the non-bl "NOKIA" sign on bootup	13:15
cehteh	yeah thats a good example too	13:15
cehteh	but you dont see it on every bootup	13:15
DocScrutinizer51	you see it on 'real' bootup	13:16
Macer	we're standing in the crater of an active volcano right next to a pool of molten lava	13:16
DocScrutinizer51	not when switching mode from charger to full powered	13:16
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Macer	what a nut.. and he is happy about this	13:16
cehteh	well open a root terminal	13:16
cehteh	echo 0 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness	13:16
Macer	said he wanted to wait until night time because that is when it is its most spectacular haha	13:16
cehteh	then you see	13:16
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cehteh	RST38h: want screenshots?	13:19
DocScrutinizer51	honestly it's completely irrelevant if a LCD is default-black or default-transparent	13:19
cehteh	RST38h: maybe beacause i disabled indentation and divider	13:19
cehteh	yeah	13:20
siriusnova	So	13:20
cehteh	i started saying that i want a black on white theme for bright sunlight, thats not very much related to the default lcd state	13:20
siriusnova	whats new in Maemo Land?	13:20
siriusnova	:)	13:20
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siriusnova	should i add extras-devel and extras-testing	13:21
siriusnova	just to see if I can brick my phone?	13:21
siriusnova	:D	13:21
Jaffa	siriusnova: Don't add -devel, add -testing if you're willing to test s/w against the QA criteria	13:21
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Jaffa	(and then VOTE)	13:21
siriusnova	why no -devel ?	13:21
Jaffa	siriusnova: Because it's pretty much for developers to check and test that their software installs and works from a repo. If it does, they promote it to -testing.	13:21
siriusnova	oh ok	13:22
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cehteh	bbl	13:24
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siriusnova	lets rock and roll	13:26
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siriusnova	anyone have any good tips on avoiding the / free space issue	13:31
siriusnova	i believe i asked this before	13:31
siriusnova	is there a way to relink /usr	13:31
Arkenoi	what is quite annoying is that opening camera opens launches camera application even if there already is an application that uses camera running (say, bar code reader)	13:31
SpeedEvil	I've not really hit it sinceI flashed my device	13:31
SpeedEvil	then reinstalled stuff	13:31
siriusnova	herm	13:31
SpeedEvil	It seems a lot of things in extras-devel have been optified that werent'	13:31
siriusnova	good	13:32
RST38h	Arkenoi: Try the Flashlight applet	13:32
RST38h	Arkenoi: Creates absolute mess	13:33
SpeedEvil	I've been installing lots of crap, and I have 23M remaining	13:33
RST38h	cehteh: My default settings also disable identation and divider	13:33
RST38h	cehteh: But copy&paste seems to work for me just fine, no extra chars	13:33
RST38h	cehteh: Rename .xchat2 and see if it still happens to you with the default settings	13:34
Arkenoi	RST38h, i already do ;-)	13:34
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RST38h	Optified Python install is...mhm...meh	13:39
* ShadowJK has almost 80 megs free after a reboot		13:39
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ShadowJK	with optified python :D	13:48
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RST38h	Ok, Python is gone	13:48
mkargar	hello	13:48
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MohammadAG	does the dc-8 work with the n900	13:52
siriusnova	ShadowJK where did you get this optified python?	13:53
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mkargar	i wany install rootsh from maemo.org!but,since of click on the ''install'' button,i recieve error:unable to download 'rootsh' \| application package not found	13:54
mkargar	what's my problem?	13:54
slonopotamus	mkargar, just install it from application manager	13:55
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mkargar	i recieve another error:application list partially refreshed.aome catalogs unavailable.check catalog details.	13:56
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Arkenoi	gpodder/python conflict still unresolved :-(	13:57
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mkargar	slonopotamus:i recieve error!	13:58
lizardo	Arkenoi: and which error is that ?	13:58
* VDVsx yawns		13:58
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user_	hi from n900	14:00
siriusnova	hi	14:01
mkargar	please help me!	14:01
mkargar	hello user!	14:01
RST38h	mkargar: $25.	14:01
frals	anyone decent with killing installed packages that choke on postrm please take a look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=456446#post456446 and help him if possible	14:01
SpeedEvil	I thought it had gone up to $28 yesterday	14:02
mkargar	RST38h:adaptor!?	14:02
RST38h	mkargar: Another $5.	14:02
ShadowJK	siriusnova, I uninstalled everything that depended on python, and made sure with dpkg -l and apt-get that python was gone. Then I enabled extras-devel and installed gpodder from there. It pulled optified python along with it	14:02
Arkenoi	lizardo, "Conflict with application packages - python-glade2 (2.12.1.6-maemo9)"	14:02
ShadowJK	I wasn't sure if upgrade would work, so that's why I did remove/reinstall instead	14:03
mkargar	RST38h:adaptor!?	14:03
RST38h	mkargar: $5 more.	14:03
ShadowJK	Normal disclaimers about extras-devel apply, of course :)	14:03
lizardo	Arkenoi: do you have which repositories enabled?	14:04
lizardo	Arkenoi: I didn't get any errors installing gpodder here	14:04
mkargar	RST38h:ok!i want take a tp-link wireless modem!50$	14:05
user_	how to permanent change the nick in xchat on n900?	14:05
Arkenoi	lizardo, all of them ;-)	14:05
siriusnova	how well does dosbox work on the N900?	14:05
user_	could not find anything in preferences	14:06
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mkargar	RST38h:5$ ana 15# is only for europe and us!i living in	14:06
Arkenoi	i have pymaemo-optify installed, may that matter?	14:06
mkargar	*i iran!	14:06
slonopotamus	user_, xchat -> network list -> user information	14:07
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user_	thx!	14:07
slonopotamus	user_, + 'use global user information' checkbox in channel settings	14:08
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RST38h	Heh, another UK<->FR train stuck in the tunnel	14:09
zaheerm	RST38h, :) and there i am on eurostar's website checking prices for fosdem travel	14:10
lizardo	Arkenoi: looks like you enabled extras-devel, installed some packages, and then disabled it again... can you confirm ?	14:10
RST38h	zaheerm: fly.	14:10
range	So UK is unreachable during times of snow (seeing how many planes were delayed in the last few days).	14:10
zaheerm	RST38h, trains are better	14:10
range	zaheerm: Just pray for good weather.	14:10
RST38h	range: can't you sail there? =)	14:11
lizardo	Arkenoi: pymaemo-optify installed is not a problem, actually you need it so you get the optified python	14:11
Arkenoi	lizardo: nope, it is still enabled	14:11
zaheerm	range, yah should be better in a mopnth, we don't usually get much snow in london	14:11
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range	Everybody was warning me on tuesday that I probably won't get out of London if it starts snowing again :)	14:12
Jaffa	andre__: ping	14:13
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andre__	Jaffa, pong	14:15
Jaffa	andre__: The Qt components which are part of the firmware - where to raise a 2.2009.51-1 bug against them?	14:16
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Jaffa	andre__: Anything depending on libqt4-phonon won't install in 2.2009.51-1 :-(	14:16
andre__	Jaffa, I'd guess for https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Qt , not sure though	14:16
Jaffa	andre__: Ta, couldn't find that at step 1 :)	14:17
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lizardo	Arkenoi: I see that gpodder 2.1-1 depends on "python-gtk2 (>= 2.12.1-6maemo10)" , but you have python-glade2 2.12.1-6maemo9 installed, which depends on python-gtk2 = .12.1-6maemo9	14:19
lizardo	Arkenoi: ideally, the Application manager should have been upgraded python-glade2 for you	14:19
lizardo	Arkenoi: but for some reason it is not resolving the conflict automatically, maybe because some other package is force a older python-glade2 version	14:20
* xorAxAx is debugging some gpe-calendar ics import bug ...		14:20
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Arkenoi	lizardo: how do i find which one?	14:23
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lizardo	Arkenoi: not sure, I will try to reproduce it on a N900 by installing some things manually	14:29
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xorAxAx	puh, damn libmimedir	14:52
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vpol	still can't get icq working? can anybody help?	15:03
* RST38h moos at ab, just in case		15:05
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wazd	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqz5dbs5zmo <- cool guys don't look at explosions :)	15:09
ab	RST38h, do not moo too much, I will not take your milk	15:10
Jaffa	wazd: :)	15:12
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wazd	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU5Dn-WaElI <- DIY "Smack my bitch up" with Albetron.	15:30
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sampop	Hi... is here anyone?	15:41
sampop	Stupid question. I need little bit of help with my Nokia n900	15:42
zash	sampop: protip: just ask the question/describe the problem :)	15:42
adeus	metaquestions don't help :)	15:42
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wazd	can I ask the question? :)	15:43
sampop	how can i unzip file with my nokia ?	15:43
sampop	I'm not familiar of linux...	15:43
sampop	is there any kind of program, or should I do it on comandline = x-terminal	15:44
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Jaffa	sampop: I believe there's a File manager plugin for it in Extras or -testing; or you can use the commandline	15:44
sampop	I have used dos in 90's	15:44
sampop	but how in this Nokia x-terminal can i do for example c:	15:45
sampop	or dir/p ?	15:45
sampop	or dir	15:45
sampop	Jaffa are you fin ?	15:45
VDVsx	sampop, here is a simple list of commands: phoenix.goucher.edu/~kelliher/f2006/cs245/linux1.pdf	15:46
Markus23	sampop: cd to change directory, ls to list directory	15:46
Jaffa	sampop: Nope	15:46
ifreq	god speed	15:46
sampop	Thank's... stupid me :)	15:47
VDVsx	sampop, some doesn't work in maemo, but the generic ones work	15:47
Markus23	VDVsx: mmh, maybe a n900 specific one would help	15:47
VDVsx	Markus23, feel free to make one :)	15:48
Markus23	are there image viewer commands and so on at the console at all?	15:48
sampop	Well, what do you think about Nokia N900? If I can ask?	15:48
ShadowJK	lol	15:48
VDVsx	a card like the one that I link above would be very neat :)	15:48
Markus23	yes, maybe also with some basic dbus commands	15:49
sampop	just cheking out basic comands this is really good!	15:49
choppa	hey folks	15:49
choppa	i hate maemo	15:49
sampop	nice :)	15:50
Stskeeps	choppa: good for you, install mer or ubuntu or whatever hell you want	15:50
Stskeeps	:P	15:50
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Stskeeps	fedora's even there	15:50
sampop	In x-terminal or command line, is there like basic user and main user accounts?	15:51
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x29a	Stskeeps: sorry, i hijacked his computer	15:51
x29a	and it does in no way even represent my opinion	15:51
Stskeeps	kiddos	15:51
Stskeeps	:P	15:51
x29a	hehe	15:51
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zash	sampop: yes of course, what do you think were used before X?	15:51
x29a	but without my N810, im outta here, take care	15:52
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Jaffa	sampop: There is a 'user' account, and a 'root' account. The 'root' account can do anything (including breaking the device), whilst 'user' can only do things which you could theoretically do through the UI	15:52
VDVsx	Markus23, dbus is a bit much IMO, just command line stuff for people not familiar with linux	15:52
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sampop	thank's... I curious, what is command to get this "root" account on and how I came back to "user" account, what is the command for that?	15:53
Tonzas	sampop: you need to install rootsh and after that you can use commands 'sudo gainroot' on x-terminal	15:53
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sampop	thank's	15:54
ShadowJK	"exit" or "logout" to exit root mode	15:54
ShadowJK	"whoami" if you forget if you're as root or user	15:54
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matthew-	ShadowJK: you can see # if root and $ if user	15:59
matthew-	how can you forget	15:59
matthew-	;d	15:59
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choppa_	damn, got disconnected. sorry bout that, anything new?	16:02
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Stskeeps	morn orb	16:08
III	morn	16:08
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DocScrutinizer51	ShadowJK: s/whoami/id/	16:21
Markus23	Are there any technical presentations about n900 or maemo 5?	16:22
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DocScrutinizer51	exit / logout is easily shortcut by ^D at line start	16:22
Markus23	What is a must-be-said?	16:22
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DocScrutinizer51	sudo gainroot seems has been replaced by a mere "root" recently?	16:24
Stskeeps	no, it's a script for it	16:24
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Stskeeps	for those of you interested, http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/enabling-rtc-clock-battery-charging-and.html	16:39
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fabrice	i'm looking for gstreamer pipeline sample to stream sound and/or video from my N900. Any hints ?	16:40
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timeless_mbp	Stskeeps: i'm really impressed	16:45
timeless_mbp	someone filed a bug against the browser yesterday	16:45
timeless_mbp	and within 24 hours, it managed to be triaged to the Qt team who fixed it	16:45
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Markus23_	xchat works great	16:45
SpeedEvil	timeless: :)	16:46
Markus23_	very colourful	16:46
Stskeeps	timeless_mbp: sending the money along as fast as possible	16:46
Stskeeps	:P	16:46
* timeless_mbp sends a smile along to #qt-maemo		16:46
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flux	fabrice, I remember seeing an example (possibly oneliner) for using n900 (or possibly n810?) as a "webcam" for a linux machine, so it exists ;)	16:48
flux	fabrice, maybe those keywords can help in your quest	16:48
fabrice	flux, thanks, I'll try	16:49
flux	fabrice, found the link: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=26288	16:49
fabrice	flux, thanks !	16:49
flux	fabrice, you're welcome :). what are you going to try with that?	16:50
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fabrice	flux - no precise idea yet. Just experimenting with my new toy ;)	16:51
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DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps: (rtcbat) wowowoooow	17:24
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ShadowJK	wait, browser, qt? uh oh :)	17:28
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DocScrutinizer51	huh??	17:32
DocScrutinizer51	6?	17:33
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DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: how about a "menu" key shortcut for 900-xchat? so you actually could use thinks like "menu"-V-U like it was on N810?	17:36
DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: ctrl-M comes o mind	17:37
DocScrutinizer51	ooh no, already resets marker line	17:38
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KamuiWrk	see	17:40
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KamuiWrk	im thinking a software tab would be more useful :)	17:40
KamuiWrk	do you think the N900 has the horsepower to run hydrogen in any meaningful capacity?	17:40
RST38h	Doc: ?	17:41
KamuiWrk	and I think while pulseaudio is bugged, it might be pointless	17:41
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GeneralAntilles	Somebody want to look at bug #7752 and see whether that's a Packages bug?	17:42
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7752 error in bug tracker link	17:42
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* mgedmin wants a single key/key combination for switching between the last two apps ...		17:43
DocScrutinizer51	mgedmin: +1	17:43
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mgedmin	GeneralAntilles, yes, the debian/control file seems to be b0rked	17:44
HtheB	hi all :)	17:44
DocScrutinizer51	mgedmin: double ctrl-bs	17:44
GeneralAntilles	mgedmin, so it's a package bug?	17:44
mgedmin	apt-cache show nsscheduler	17:44
mgedmin	Bugtracker: XSBC-Bugtracker: http://bugs.maemo.org	17:44
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* mgedmin runs apt-get update && apt-get source		17:45
HtheB	is it possible to install a .deb file?@(yes i know the matrix trick) but how good could this be?	17:45
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mgedmin	HtheB, it's possible, but strongly discouraged	17:45
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t_s_o	dpkg -i as root, no?	17:45
HtheB	hmm, i know a game called dstroy, there is a linux version already	17:45
HtheB	but it is a .rpm :(	17:45
HtheB	though, the source is available on the site too.	17:46
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mgedmin	apt-get update (in scratchbox) gets stuck "Waiting for headers" ...	17:46
GeneralAntilles	HtheB, installing .rpms isn't going to work period. Installing .debs from other distributions isn't likely to work easily.	17:46
mgedmin	GeneralAntilles, give me a web-browse'able source tree, or I stop investigating the nsscheduler issue	17:46
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hrw	mgedmin: normal - *.maemo.org modem overheated again	17:47
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HtheB	generalantilles, yes i know .rpms wont work :) but if u have the source, it could be compiled for the N900	17:48
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HtheB	ofcourse with a bit of customizing	17:49
DocScrutinizer51	a basictruth ;-P	17:49
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HtheB	http://narroin.free.fr/dstroy	17:50
HtheB	check this out .)	17:50
HtheB	:)	17:50
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DocScrutinizer51	is that the new release of the "click here to get virus" site?	17:51
HtheB	=_= no, its a game	17:51
HtheB	called Dstroy	17:51
hrw	HtheB: iirc there is bomberman for maemo5 already. and on open license	17:52
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VDVsx	following previous discussion, here is a call for a maemo branded reference card: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=457458#post457458	17:52
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HtheB	its not as funny as dstroy	17:53
DocScrutinizer51	heh, my default xdm user is called "dman" and has user id 0 and rm -rf / as login shell	17:53
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HtheB	u should try it out on dosbox :)	17:53
Caesium	is there anywhere I can see package changelogs? wondering what's caused 2 OMWeather updates in 2 days :)	17:54
HtheB	or, well.. the remake on windows	17:54
mgedmin	Caesium++	17:54
Caesium	(normally I'd click around until I found it, but a maemo.org click takes 5 minutes right now)	17:54
mgedmin	are there changelogs on maemo.org?	17:54
DocScrutinizer51	ohh so faaaast today?	17:54
tybollt	Caesium: "right now"? been that way ... well atleast the month I've been a user >:)	17:55
mgedmin	maemo.org is moving to new beefy servers next week, afaik	17:55
DocScrutinizer51	they pumped up the 770 farm by another 3 devices	17:55
Caesium	mgedmin: can't come soon enough :)	17:55
GeneralAntilles	mgedmin, slowly browsing my way to the source on r.m.o.	17:55
Caesium	I feel a lot of newcomers will be turned off the entire platform by the speed of the site at the moment	17:56
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Jaffa	Caesium: No, they aren't published nicely. There's an "Upgrade-Description" field which can be put in debian/control, but has downsides. X-Fade has mentioned it as a possible feature for maemo.org/packages in future.	17:56
Jaffa	Caesium: which is why it's being fixed.	17:56
Caesium	ok, thanks :)	17:56
FredrIQ	Np, i usually browse another page with an even worse speed	17:56
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DocScrutinizer51	alas those 3 N770 were repair sendins with report "throttles cpu due to overheating" ;-P	17:57
mgedmin	Caesium, isn't there a mailing list where all the .changes files of the autobuilder get posted? each .changes contains the changelog bit for its version	17:57
RST38h	VDVsx: kinda useless imho	17:58
Caesium	mgedmin: never heard of this	17:58
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mgedmin	maybe I'm thinking about Debian	17:58
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GeneralAntilles	mgedmin, "Bugtracker: XSBC-Bugtracker: http://bugs.maemo.org" I'm assuming that in the control file makes it a package bug. ;)	17:58
RST38h	VDVsx: People who can google, won't need this card. People who will need this card, cannot read	17:58
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VDVsx	RST38h, for you & me and others, yes	17:58
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RST38h	VDVsx: a lot of people can't really read or understand instructions	17:59
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RST38h	VDVsx: i.e. they won't be able to do anything with this info	17:59
VDVsx	RST38h, that's true, even really descriptive instructions :p	17:59
DocScrutinizer51	lol	18:00
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DocScrutinizer51	which card?? (just to check if I cant read or dont need to read ;-P )	18:01
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VDVsx	DocScrutinizer51, you don't need it, trust me ;)	18:01
DocScrutinizer51	loool	18:01
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DocScrutinizer51	ok	18:01
VDVsx	DocScrutinizer51, it's a card with simple terminal commands	18:01
VDVsx	cd, ls, ...	18:02
DocScrutinizer51	ouch	18:02
DocScrutinizer51	ok I refuse to know what 'read' even means	18:02
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RST38h	"About 8 percent of human genetic material comes from a virus and not from our ancestors"	18:02
mgedmin	DocScrutinizer51, the Bourne shell builtin?	18:02
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DocScrutinizer51	same is true for average windows installation :-P	18:03
DocScrutinizer51	VDVsx: this card is exceptionally short for maemo. just one cmd: busybox ;-P hhrhrhrrr I HATE BUSYBOX	18:07
VDVsx	:)	18:07
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mgedmin	yep, nsschedule debian/control file says	18:12
mgedmin	XSBC-Bugtracker: XSBC-Bugtracker: http://bugs.maemo.org	18:12
FredrIQ	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34526 - isn't PS2 way to powerful for N900 to emulate?	18:12
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mgedmin	did anybody email the author?	18:13
mgedmin	s/author/maintainer/	18:13
infobot	mgedmin meant: did anybody email the maintainer?	18:13
GeneralAntilles	FredrIQ, only about a 250MHz MIPS.	18:13
DocScrutinizer51	'foo' : see 'busybox foo'; 'bar' : see 'busybox bar'; 'busybox ' : see 'busybox'; 'busybox' : surrogate for with 90% of the more usefull functions missing	18:13
GeneralAntilles	So not hugely powerful.	18:13
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luke-jr	fredix: x86 may have difficulty emulating things, but ARM should be able to handle it somewhat sanely	18:14
luke-jr	the question is the emulator design	18:14
* luke-jr ponders if qemu could be extended to support PS2		18:14
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andre__	mgedmin, I've added a comment to http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/nsschedule/0.1.3-1/	18:15
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DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: kill it, killllllll!	18:16
FredrIQ	ok, another question: PS2 is possible to emulate, but not PSP?	18:16
FredrIQ	seems strange to me	18:17
luke-jr	PSP is slightly more powerful, but I wouldn't say impossible	18:17
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DocScrutinizer51	'e feeds the last guinea pig with busybox crippled cmdline options until it dies	18:17
luke-jr	"The PSP uses two 333 MHz MIPS32 R4000-based CPUs, a GPU with 2 MB onboard VRAM running at 166 MHz, and includes 32 MB main RAM and 4 MB embedded DRAM in total.[7] The hardware was originally forced to run more slowly than it was capable of and most games ran at 222 MHz.[125] However, with firmware update 3.50 on May 31, 2007, Sony removed this limit and allowed new games to run at a full 333 MHz"	18:17
RST38h	Ah here you are, Doc51 =)	18:17
luke-jr	oh, two CPUs, nevermind	18:17
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luke-jr	so PSP is about 2x the power of PS2	18:18
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FredrIQ	ah	18:18
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luke-jr	and it's dual-core, which is possibly harder to emulate depending on the design	18:18
Mek	so what is the right thing to do when building some package on the autobiuilder fails because it gets a timeout trying to install dependencies? just submit again hoping it will work this time?	18:18
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* RST38h suggests buying a real PSP		18:19
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luke-jr	RST38h: what's the point of that?	18:23
RST38h	I have no idea	18:23
* RST38h never had a PSP		18:23
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* luke-jr had a GameBoy Color...		18:24
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joppu	Mek: I don't know, but the whole maemo.org seems to be falling apart in general	18:34
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fatboysmale	hiya	18:36
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DocScrutinizer51	Mek: increase tcp timeout fr server responses by factor 20 might help to accomplish task in less than a week	18:37
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fatboysmale	has anyone flashed the n900 back to factory defaults?	18:38
GeneralAntilles	joppu, serve move still in progress.	18:38
GeneralAntilles	fatboysmale, many people.	18:38
Mek	DocScrutinizer51: well, since it is the autobuilder that times out when installing build dependencies, I can't really do anything about that	18:38
GeneralAntilles	~flashing	18:38
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infobot	somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	18:38
matthew-	fatboysmale: plenty of people	18:39
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fatboysmale	and has there been any bad flashes using the firmware?	18:39
Stskeeps	it's rare.	18:39
Stskeeps	keep your battery fully charged before doing it though	18:40
joppu	GeneralAntilles: Imn very well aware of that	18:40
GeneralAntilles	fatboysmale, 1 in 1000 sort of rare.	18:40
fatboysmale	it's not bad odds then, i might reset mine later, knowing my luck, i am the 1 LOL	18:40
GeneralAntilles	fatboysmale, I've never actually been able to confirm a flashing-related bricking in almost 5 years, so. . . .	18:41
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fatboysmale	i did not know the n900 was 5 years old???	18:41
nikosapi	is it possible to install the maemo 5 sdk alongside the maemo 4 sdk?	18:41
GeneralAntilles	770 was released in 2005.	18:41
fatboysmale	i know it's the same software base, but it's not the same phone	18:41
GeneralAntilles	Same bootloader.	18:42
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Muhvi	if 770 would have had phone in it, i would've bought it	18:42
GeneralAntilles	Practically speaking, the flashing process hasn't changed much since 2005.	18:42
Muhvi	same goes to 810	18:42
fatboysmale	right, i was just curious	18:42
Oli``	Anybody know when the Ovi Store finally opens? I realise that's probably asked five times a day but "Coming soon" is getting equally dull.	18:42
RST38h	Any reason you need Ovi Store?	18:43
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fatboysmale	i want to know when someone is going to make a front-end to encapsulates the MMS features, so i can text my mates holding a beer, while they are stuck in the snow	18:43
DocScrutinizer51	if 810 had a modem I'd probably not have bought a N900 ;-)	18:44
RST38h	fatboysmale: I would be willing to part with this information for $25US	18:44
RST38h	Deal? =)	18:45
fatboysmale	i can see the forum talks, how to send it, but it's all terminal based, i am just lazy!	18:45
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RST38h	VDVsx: See above with respect to that reference card.	18:45
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DocScrutinizer51	yay	18:46
frals	fatboysmale: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=453107&postcount=117 is not just CLI	18:46
dnaumov	LOL, we sell a specific combination of a phone model + service to offer voip for some business users and "stock", it works on all older shipments of that phone. Except if the customer updates the phone firmware for any reason (like they automatically do at repair service), the new firmware disables half the VOIP stack.	18:46
dnaumov	thx Nokia	18:46
DocScrutinizer51	with same cmd in barcode on right side. So you don,t need to type it in	18:46
VDVsx	RST38h, lol	18:48
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mgedmin	nikosapi, yes	18:49
RST38h	Mhm...this ZAGG thing surely looks like a request for rebate	18:49
mgedmin	nikosapi, I did something like described here: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/	18:49
fatboysmale	what ZAGG ???	18:49
KamuiWrk	if im porting a QT3 app, do I have to rebuild libqt3-dev, or will the qt4-qt3 support libraries work for builds	18:50
KamuiWrk	or is that only gonna work for runtime support	18:50
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nikosapi	mgedmin: thanks	18:53
jza	hi I am trying to update my N900 firmware	18:54
jza	but I am a bit confused, can someone help me out here?	18:54
nikosapi	jza!	18:54
jza	I am on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php	18:54
luke-jr	KamuiWrk: Qt3 is deprecated. You will need to port to Qt4 first.	18:54
jza	hey nikosapi	18:54
nikosapi	how are ya?	18:54
jza	so I am trying to download the flasher but all I see is Diablo which sounds like the old N770 diablo	18:54
jza	nikosapi: I am trying to upgrade my N900 :)	18:54
jza	with the Firefox RC and the alternative IMs	18:55
nikosapi	grrr, everyone seems to have an n900 :(	18:55
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fatboysmale	not you nokisapi ?	18:56
nikosapi	nope	18:56
fatboysmale	sorry nikosapi	18:56
tybollt	jza: which firmware are you going for?	18:56
fatboysmale	wanna buy one?	18:56
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nikosapi	fatboysmale: either I get an n900 or a new timing belt+water pump for my car :P	18:56
jza	tybollt: well the latest, I am not sure which one is it, I think is the FIASCO flasher-3.5	18:56
mgedmin	jza, Diablo is for N8x0, Fremantle is for N900	18:57
fatboysmale	get the n900 and buy a push bike :)	18:57
jza	mgedmin: ok the comment is a bit missleading "Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for other than Debian based Linuxes (x86, 32-bit) "	18:57
jza	:)	18:57
nikosapi	what did you guys pay for yours?	18:57
jza	but I guess I choose it on the CLI	18:57
nikosapi	all I can find is: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=48567	18:57
fatboysmale	i paid £499 but i could have got it on contract for £540 for the year	18:58
tybollt	lb?	18:58
fatboysmale	including airtime, and free internet	18:58
nikosapi	damn, that's still a lot	18:58
fatboysmale	pounds	18:58
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fatboysmale	i guess so, but i don't smoke or drink, i need some pleasure in life, so for me it's technology	18:59
jza	nikosapi: I am already running Panuchi on the N900 I do wonder if you will have to convert it to Qt for Maemo 6 or not really.	18:59
nikosapi	hmm, so I should start smoking then?	18:59
mgedmin	technology can lead to drinking	18:59
tybollt	:-( so now I have to take up smoking, eh?	18:59
fatboysmale	not with my wife, she clears the beers more than i ever could! LOL	18:59
nikosapi	jza: it's running, but it's a bit of a mess	18:59
fatboysmale	i would if they will release maemo 6 for the 900???	19:00
fatboysmale	tired after all that snow digging today	19:00
fatboysmale	i wonder if they will release maemo 6 for the n900?	19:01
fatboysmale	or if it's gonna be another piece of hardware with it on	19:01
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tybollt	it will be interesting to see	19:01
jza	nikosapi: yeah my brother was complaining it doesnt have the FM transmitter	19:01
tybollt	like the Winmo people who run just about any winmo version on their devices, flash and upgrade/downgrade every day	19:02
fatboysmale	what doesn't have the FM TX ?	19:02
DocScrutinizer51	drinking can stop reasonable usage of technology	19:02
nikosapi	fatboysmale: panucci	19:02
fatboysmale	what's panucci?	19:02
fatboysmale	mamemo 6?	19:02
nikosapi	a media player	19:02
fatboysmale	maemo 6 rather?	19:02
fatboysmale	oh right	19:02
DocScrutinizer51	too much beer, fatboysmale	19:03
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fatboysmale	there are minor niggles with the 900, but i am sure in time they will get improved	19:04
* DocScrutinizer51 goes getting him a decent Lager		19:04
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fatboysmale	would seem the car fumes have had there effect on me! LOL	19:04
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DocScrutinizer51	ouch. I recommend to prefer glue solvent. Better kick for the injury	19:05
fatboysmale	LOL	19:05
RST38h	Ehehe, Apple has not made an announcement yet, but iTablet has already been cloned by the Chinese	19:06
fatboysmale	i normally work with VARN or isopropol, so car fumes are a little more bitter on the throat, and don't make the world spin so much!	19:06
RST38h	http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/icd-vega-01-07-2010.jpg	19:06
fatboysmale	is it on ebay yet ???	19:06
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DocScrutinizer51	heh they clone :most everything. :-)	19:07
DocScrutinizer51	almost	19:07
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fatboysmale	and it would seem they never get took to court for it!	19:07
DocScrutinizer51	see hiPhone	19:08
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DocScrutinizer51	which court? chinese court? LOL	19:08
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anidel	hi	19:08
* RST38h moos at anidel		19:09
* anidel moos bacvk		19:09
fatboysmale	depends if anyone in the US buys it through a distrubutor, and whether they would get done for importing it?	19:09
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anidel	s/bacvk/back	19:09
ShadowJK	I wouldn't call them clones, the only thing in common is touchscreen and having an "i" and a "o" in the name, most of the time	19:09
anidel	anyone with PR1.1 beta here?	19:09
fatboysmale	i have seen the site, and how they compare side by side, and to be honest, apple is ALOT more polished as a final product	19:10
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ShadowJK	I mean, those things have real names besides "iFone" too... what if you ordered one and asked them to write the real name on the receipt? :)	19:11
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fatboysmale	well anyway, this is getting away from the maemo software, discussing other phones	19:11
go1dfish	all innovation builds on existing ideas	19:11
Bolle_mobile	hi all	19:12
go1dfish	what's lame is that current IP laws don't recognize that fact, or the accelerated pace of innovation in the tech sector	19:12
t_s_o	the base problem, go1dfish, is that they apply the same rules and timeframes on diverging kinds of "products"	19:13
ShadowJK	google starts with the private label phone ;)	19:14
DocScrutinizer51	yo	19:14
DocScrutinizer51	nexus	19:15
DocScrutinizer51	yawn	19:15
ShadowJK	that's probably going to make everyone go "wtf", and the big players will be slow to know what to do	19:15
RST38h	ShadowJK: Whch has "HTC" incribed on it	19:15
fatboysmale	thought that was a car make?	19:15
ShadowJK	RST38h, oh really? I thought they'd wipe that off and write google there with crayons instead :)	19:15
t_s_o	meh, i'll wait until they ship the nexus six...	19:15
RST38h	ShadowJK: They wrote both	19:15
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RST38h	ShadowJK: Frankly, I do not see what the big deal is, given that there is already Moto Droid	19:16
ShadowJK	Oh I agree, the devices themselves aren't that special	19:16
zash	RST38h: faster cpu apparently, not much else	19:16
RST38h	ShadowJK: Neither is software	19:16
simula_	the one good thing about nexus is that it uses a 1ghz cpu w/ 512MB of ram, so hopefully the next nokia phone will have similar specs... that's a full desktop in yer pocket	19:16
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RST38h	zash: Faster CPU does not help much in embedded devices	19:17
DocScrutinizer51	nothing except google gives you an opportunity to go into even closer dependency deliberately	19:17
RST38h	The bottlenecks are 1) RAM and 2) flash disk	19:17
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RST38h	So, no, N900 CPU is not "too slow" really	19:17
simula_	it doubles the ram RST38h :)	19:17
ShadowJK	I still haven't seen any snapdragon vs a8 benchmarks.. not even dmips	19:17
RST38h	simula: Not size, SPEED.	19:17
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RST38h	ShadowJK: Again, this would be nice but not sufficient	19:18
ShadowJK	well ram size matters more for browsers... but then they eat all you have anyway, it's impossible to win :/	19:18
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DocScrutinizer51	damn I run a full fledged KDE3 on 300MHz P-II with 196MB	19:18
DocScrutinizer51	was a little slow sometimes' on things like openoffice :-P	19:19
RST38h	ShadowJK: What I am interested to see is the time to copy N random 256-byte blocks from one 16MB area of RAM into another	19:19
t_s_o	ShadowJK: thats mostly thanks to having to deal with sites thats grown alongside desktop computers for a decade...	19:19
RST38h	ShadowJK: This will measure actual RAM performance.	19:19
drdaeman	Sorry, but I've a small question... I'm trying to implement custom contact manager ui app (to implement contact groups for myself). Is there any docs or source code on using rtcom-call-ui and related stuff? I.e. I've an EContact object (from EDS' libebook), did `contact.get_properties('phone', 'mobile-phone', ...)` and want to perform a call, but have no clue how to do it. Any pointers, please?	19:19
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ShadowJK	how much cache do the two have?	19:19
RST38h	ShadowJK: <<16MB :)	19:20
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ShadowJK	hm, does omap3 have sdma type things for doing copies..	19:21
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fatboysmale	can you see the next maemo release being on new hardware ?	19:22
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ShadowJK	still omap3	19:22
DocScrutinizer51	drdaeman: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-call	19:22
drdaeman	DocScrutinizer51, thank you	19:22
DocScrutinizer51	yw	19:22
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DocScrutinizer51	drdaeman: ping me whenever you got first results please ;-)	19:23
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drdaeman	okay	19:23
drdaeman	Still a long way to go, though (I've only managed to access addressbook and dump data to stdout yet). Still just trying to learn how everything works.	19:25
Jaffa	drdaeman: what're you doing, OOI?	19:26
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RST38h	maemo.org pages now take minutes to load. literally.	19:27
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drdaeman	Jaffa, learning how to use Python to ease some everyday tasks. While learning, I've decided to write small app to add grouping to contacts (like "work", "family" etc.) as there's no such thing in N900 yet. I know that's a kludge, though.	19:28
drdaeman	Just a custom UI which will present me with several buttons, then display contacts only in selected group.	19:29
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anidel	are there any interesting books about Qt?	19:30
anidel	Qt devel of course	19:30
RST38h	Ahhahaha	19:31
anidel	laughing at my query? :)	19:31
anidel	how you dare?	19:31
anidel	:p	19:31
RST38h	Philip Dick family is suing Google for using the name Nexus One	19:31
* RST38h rotlfs		19:31
anidel	insmod rotlfs.ko	19:32
* anidel rotlfs		19:32
RST38h	Not only the guy himself was a dick, but it runs in the family!	19:32
luke-jr	anidel: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/index.html	19:32
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DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: LOL	19:32
leon-	ffs, who sues for shit like that :)	19:32
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anidel	luke-jr, I know that.. wondering if there's a PDF or a book to buy#	19:33
DocScrutinizer51	~wtf rotlfs	19:33
infobot	Gee... I don't know what rotlfs means...	19:33
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DocScrutinizer51	~wtf rotfl	19:34
infobot	ROTFL: rolling on the floor laughing	19:34
anidel	it's the ROTFL file system	19:34
luke-jr	RST38h: what basis do they claim?	19:34
RST38h	luke-jr: Nexus One has been used to call the replicants in Bladerunner	19:34
luke-jr	..	19:35
RST38h	well, in "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep".	19:35
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luke-jr	so?	19:35
luke-jr	that's a book	19:35
luke-jr	this is a phone	19:35
VDVsx	anidel, Qt website has a list	19:35
luke-jr	trademarks only pollute a single namespace	19:35
VDVsx	there's one recommended	19:35
anidel	VDVsx, cool thanks look for that	19:36
DocScrutinizer51	namespace is a fuzy clowd in trademark jurisdiction	19:36
Jaffa	anidel: http://cartan.cas.suffolk.edu/oopdocbook/ is an open source C++/Qt introduction textbook used at a uni. I've been working through it, seems quite good.	19:36
VDVsx	RST38h, who's Philip Dick ? :p	19:37
woglinde	hm bruce wrote a qt book hm	19:37
DocScrutinizer51	intel was sued for triton by a champagne manufacturer	19:37
DocScrutinizer51	(at least I seem to remember such a story)	19:38
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anidel	Jaffa thanks!	19:39
RST38h	VDVsx: An american SF writer	19:39
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woglinde	hm the book costs 43 $ at amazon	19:40
anidel	woglinde, which book is that?	19:40
* Klowner thwaps VDVsx with a foam noodle for not knowing who PKD is		19:40
DocScrutinizer51	VDVsx: you're kidding? Philip K. Dick	19:40
RST38h	VDVsx: Known for schizofrenia	19:40
woglinde	anidel which jaffa pointed too	19:40
woglinde	andiel so I dont know if its legal what they doing	19:41
VDVsx	wow, Blade Runner	19:41
VDVsx	Klowner, DocScrutinizer51 I'm a kid ;)	19:41
anidel	woglinde, ah you named Bruce, so I thought you were talking about a different one	19:41
VDVsx	now I know ;)	19:42
anidel	anyway..one's enough	19:42
RST38h	VDVsx: Also http://www.lem.pl/english/faq#P.K.Dick	19:42
* Stskeeps ponders if he should trust a LCD TV running linux		19:42
jza	hi so I am a bit nervous	19:42
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VDVsx	Stskeeps, yes	19:42
jza	I got the Flasher	19:42
woglinde	Stskeeps ask samsung for the sourcecode	19:42
* VDVsx has a DVD running linux		19:42
jza	then I got the message Suitable USB device not found, waiiting	19:42
VDVsx	*DVD player	19:42
Klowner	Im only 27, don't gimmie that "kid" stuff :)	19:42
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jza	then I remove the USB and plug it back hold U and got the USB logo (step 5)	19:43
Stskeeps	woglinde: in this case it is sony	19:43
VDVsx	Klowner, I'm only a bit younger ;)	19:43
jza	however the flasher command is not being executed	19:43
DocScrutinizer51	never trust any TV!	19:43
jza	anyone here with experience flashing the N900?	19:43
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* simula_ picks up his TV and throws it against the wall		19:43
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: i mostly view my own choice of content, i could consider going for a tuner-less one :P	19:44
Jaffa	woglinde: They're the book authors. Read the preface. Quite a few books are available electronically from the authors and printed from the publisher	19:44
DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps: that's usually called 'monitor' then	19:45
Jaffa	woglinde: Or, rather, "This document is always under development. Distribution of this work or derivative of the work is permitted under the OPL, as long as proper attribution is made."	19:45
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woglinde	jaffa didnt see they run the course	19:45
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Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: yeah	19:45
* VDVsx reads about Philip K. Dick		19:48
jza	anyone help me out?	19:48
VDVsx	oh the guy died before I was born	19:48
hrw	bye all	19:48
DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: xchat creates completely illegible yellow and light green nicks on light background. And clue how to restrict nick coloring to dark colors?	19:48
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RST38h	Doc: The background in the default config is black	19:48
VDVsx	jza, linux or windows ?	19:49
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DocScrutinizer51	yeah I know (and hate) that	19:49
RST38h	Doc: If you change the background color, you should also change other colors to be compatible with that	19:49
ccooke	yay! Third n900 in this house arrives tomorrow. Soon, I will have the entire world's supply	19:49
Khertan	hello everybody	19:49
RST38h	Well, the original IRC had black background, sorry	19:49
jza	VDVsx: linux	19:49
jza	I went smooth till step 4	19:49
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DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: change which colors then?	19:49
jza	and even 5 but there was nothing talking about what I was suppose to see on the shell	19:49
RST38h	Doc: the ones in settings	19:49
VDVsx	jza, is the device turned off ?	19:50
DocScrutinizer51	hmm I didn't find a set of colors to choose for nicks	19:50
VDVsx	jza, I normally run the command, then plug the cable without holding any key	19:50
DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: seems xchat does that automatically	19:50
DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: thus my question: where to change this behaviour to restrict to dark colors for nicks	19:51
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ShadowJK	turn off nick colouring	19:53
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ShadowJK	"colored nicknames"	19:54
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DocScrutinizer51	turning off is cheap :)	19:55
VDVsx	jza, any luck ?	19:55
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DocScrutinizer51	also strange enough I don,t have this problem with N810 xchat	19:58
DocScrutinizer51	maybe set background to clean white might help.... :-S	19:59
anidel	gotta go...ttyl	20:01
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Khertan	~ping	20:02
infobot	~pong	20:02
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tybollt	funkeh... I mounted my mini sd in the desktop to transfer some files - unmount it and put back in n900	20:04
tybollt	fucker won't mount it	20:04
tybollt	so I reboot	20:04
tybollt	still no fricken card mounted	20:04
tybollt	put it back in desktop - works a treat...	20:04
tybollt	hrrm	20:04
ShadowJK	how big was your hammer to make minisd fit in N900...	20:05
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tybollt	jajaja	20:05
tybollt	microsd	20:05
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VDVsx	DocScrutinizer51, take that: "BusyBox - The Swiss Army Knife of Embedded Linux" hihi	20:10
VDVsx	:D	20:10
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tybollt	hmm	20:11
tybollt	so the n900 not reading an sd is unheard of?	20:11
tybollt	guess my unit is b0rked then	20:11
tybollt	feh	20:11
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toggles_w	fmt it in the n900	20:12
Caesium	what does dmesg have to say about it?	20:12
LuciusMare	hi,can be n900 used as a bridge between two wireless networks?	20:12
frals	did you put the cover back on before trying to mount it?	20:12
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DocScrutinizer51	VDVsx: you know I have such a original swiss army knife in my pocket: 3 tools one of which is a blade of 30mm length	20:13
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* DocScrutinizer51 skribbles 'busybox' on that "knife" and then places it on the railway rail		20:14
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VDVsx	:D	20:15
* timeless looks for someone w/ an n900 and a bit of time		20:16
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* LuciusMare looks for someone who looks for someone with n900 and a bit of time because he has both		20:16
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Corsac	timeless: fire	20:17
LuciusMare	but the search seems pointless,don't you think, timeless?	20:17
* Corsac looks for a bit of time too		20:17
LuciusMare	haha	20:17
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tybollt	frals: good point, I didn't in this case	20:19
tybollt	frals: will try	20:19
LuciusMare	timeless: so what do you want to do?	20:19
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timeless	lucius: if you have 51-, lemme ping you	20:20
LuciusMare	51-?	20:20
timeless	otherwise i have someone who ponged	20:20
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LuciusMare	what does that mean?	20:21
VDVsx	LuciusMare, if you don't know you don't have it :p	20:21
LuciusMare	oh.	20:21
VDVsx	51.1 is Pr1.1	20:21
frals	its the software version LuciusMare	20:21
VDVsx	fw in testing	20:21
LuciusMare	ah	20:21
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timeless	technically it's a candidate	20:22
LuciusMare	sorry then,i cant help.	20:22
timeless	we have no idea if, when, or what we're shipping next	20:23
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tybollt	frals 1 - tybollt 0 :)	20:23
timeless	yeah, no problem	20:23
frals	tybollt: hehe :)	20:23
timeless	first volunteer helped sufficiently	20:23
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timeless	depressingly as ever, but them's the ...	20:23
tybollt	frals: guess the cover applies pressure to the card so it is seated firmly against the pins	20:23
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timeless	vdvsx: when the bug appears, feel free to see if it applies to 51-1	20:24
VDVsx	samppa1, hey, congrats and good luck in the new job :)	20:24
samppa1	VDVsx: hey, thanx :)	20:24
VDVsx	timeless, which one?	20:24
* SpeedEvil ponders a fountain app. A realistic fountain appears, amid pink hills, responing accurately to the accellerometer. As you zoom out - tubgirl!		20:25
tybollt	hmm	20:25
SpeedEvil	the camera button sets the strength of flow.	20:25
tybollt	my pudding accelerometer would be great w/ "2girls1cup" actually	20:25
tybollt	thanks for the idea speedy	20:26
tybollt	;)	20:26
RST38h	SpeedEvil" as you zoom IN or OUT?	20:27
RST38h	SpeedEvil: Or BOTH?	20:27
muppis	It's just me or did DN3D installation messed with my N900 keymapping?	20:27
VDVsx	timeless, I've to report back on a microb bug, is fixed in pr1.1, let me see if I can found it	20:27
muppis	I'm now got å, ä and ö replaced by arrowkey, period and comma.	20:28
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* RST38h suddenly gets it		20:30
RST38h	The historical competition between newspapers will end up as compatition between ereader models	20:31
SpeedEvil	don't see it	20:31
RST38h	well, you buy the ereader you are most comfortable with	20:32
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RST38h	it comes with access to newspapers which signed agreements with the ereader manufacturer	20:32
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ShadowJK	muppis, is hardware keyboard layout in setup->text input changed?	20:33
RST38h	So the deciding factors are 1) hardware you like 2) software running on it and 3) available subscriptions	20:33
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muppis	ShadowJK, thanks. :) That one was changed. I though I already checked all settings before coming here, but missed that one. :)	20:34
SpeedEvil	RST38h: horrible idea.	20:34
RST38h	SpeedEvil: Yet, that is what seems to be happening	20:36
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RST38h	maemo.org is dead =(	20:51
VDVsx	....for good	20:51
* VDVsx hides		20:51
GeneralAntilles	"For my last act as chair"? :P	20:52
Stskeeps	next up, VDVsx getting arrested for spending the maemo.org budget on a strip bar in vegas	20:52
Stskeeps	:P	20:52
RST38h	Budget? It has got a budget?	20:52
* VDVsx already has the tickets		20:52
VDVsx	RST38h, yes, I stole it from the maemo.org team	20:52
frals	anyone know of a way to get the phonenumber via dbus/gconf?	20:54
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lizardo	Arkenoi: you were the one having problems to install gpodder due to python-glade2 conflict, right ? I made a bug report after I managed to reproduce the problem: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7759	20:54
povbot`	Bug 7759: Application manager fails to resolve conflicting dependencies during installation	20:54
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lizardo	looks like a Application manager bug, not specific to Python or gpodder	20:55
* RST38h is ready to start hitting his head at the wall		20:56
RST38h	Cannot even get to Maemo.org Downloads	20:56
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* tybollt gently puts RST38h in a room-w/-padded-walls.		20:56
tybollt	;)	20:56
VDVsx	RST38h, works here	20:57
LuciusMare_n900	i hope padded means "metal plated" :P	20:57
RST38h	VDVsx: takes minutes to load any page here	20:57
VDVsx	RST38h, your emu hit the front page	20:57
tybollt	RST38h++, I can't load it either	20:57
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RST38h	VDVsx: And I need to upload the screenshots.	20:57
RST38h	And it literally takes hours of trying	20:58
VDVsx	is slow as usual here	20:58
RST38h	Can we please get it fixed?	20:58
RST38h	YOu are the councilman, could you please talk to tekojo about fixing this INDEPENDENTLY of getting new servers?	20:58
VDVsx	probably some arkamani(or some similar name :D) is striking in your end	20:58
tybollt	arkanoid?	20:58
RST38h	VDVsx: Well, I tried both http and https	20:59
RST38h	https should not be going through akamai	20:59
GeneralAntilles	VDVsx, Akamai? :P	20:59
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VDVsx	that	20:59
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VDVsx	X-Fade, ping	21:00
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AndrewFBlack	Hello	21:02
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RST38h	omg color ebook readers	21:03
TomaszD	I wanted to port poedit, but it needs wxwidgets2.8, but those need opengl headers to build and can't disable opengl...	21:03
RST38h	FAIL	21:04
unixSnob	i've been waiting for the color ebooks	21:04
unixSnob	i'd buy one	21:04
RST38h	extra gadgets bad for karma	21:05
unixSnob	as long as it's not closed proprietary kindle garbage	21:05
RST38h	Should only be one gadget	21:05
frals	hmm, headers marked as "MANDATORY" is probably good to include when sending a message	21:05
* frals bashes head against the desk		21:05
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tank-man	one ring ... to rule them all	21:05
RST38h	+ a medpack with sensors, diagnostics, and a bunch of syringes	21:05
unixSnob	RST38h: a NIT is too small for book reading	21:05
tybollt	? when did linux camp start having problem w/ closed source? :D	21:05
RST38h	unixSnob: Well then the NIT has to be made bigger	21:05
tybollt	long as nvidia send the binaries :D	21:06
RST38h	But I hope Nokia already knows that	21:06
VDVsx	M$ tablet/applet tablet/ dell tablet a bunch of them coming it seems	21:06
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RST38h	VDVsx: I have just seend Dell tablet hands on	21:06
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RST38h	VDVsx: It is UMPC aka MID, now renamed into slate	21:06
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RST38h	Running Windows7	21:07
VDVsx	RST38h, what OS it runs ?	21:07
VDVsx	ouch	21:07
RST38h	So, I see no point	21:07
RST38h	It is no comlog, N900 is	21:07
VDVsx	Win 7 is Sh***	21:07
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luke-jr	tybollt: then use Windows	21:07
Stskeeps	VDVsx: install something else then :P	21:07
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VDVsx	Stskeeps, probably is not open enough for that	21:08
tybollt	luke-jr: You are aware the n900 is ... closed source garbage? :)	21:08
tybollt	(to some extent)	21:08
ml-N900	I guess zealots will not be happy until everyone ignores them	21:09
Stskeeps	VDVsx: if it runs windows 7, i would think it is :P	21:09
unixSnob	tybollt: is it more closed than the n800?	21:09
Hukka	lists.maemo.org has been down for an hour already, any idea what's going on?	21:09
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VDVsx	Stskeeps, lol	21:09
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arachnist	tybollt: i wouldn't call it garbage.	21:10
Stskeeps	Hukka: thought that was migrated already	21:10
* VDVsx sends a dell tablet to Stskeeps for Mer propose		21:10
luke-jr	tybollt: everyone here knows I am pretty aware.	21:10
unixSnob	i'm deterred from the n900 simply because it only supports /one/ sim chip	21:10
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luke-jr	tybollt: though supposedly it is much better than N810	21:10
Stskeeps	VDVsx: i'd send it to someone else as i'm doing nokia stuff mostly :P	21:10
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ml-N900	I'd like to see what you'd consider not garbage	21:10
luke-jr	tybollt: do you know of a current-gen open source handheld?	21:11
tybollt	arachnist: ehr the "garbage" bit was really just quoting someone else... anyway.	21:11
VDVsx	Stskeeps, well if is open stuff, other devices will benefit	21:11
arachnist	tybollt: it's still the most usable phone that has a system quite close to a normal linux distro	21:11
arachnist	(unlike android)	21:11
unixSnob	luke-jr: an n800 not running maemo is open source	21:11
tybollt	arachnist: no argues there, I love my n900 =)	21:11
Stskeeps	VDVsx: tbh i have too many tablets :P q5, n800,n810,n900, Joggler	21:11
Stskeeps	:P	21:11
Stskeeps	and a dead 770	21:12
arachnist	funny	21:12
luke-jr	unixSnob: an N800 not running any Maemo is a brick that won't boot.	21:12
arachnist	most 770's are now dead	21:12
unixSnob	luke-jr: well you can put an open os on it	21:12
luke-jr	unixSnob: no, you can't.	21:12
Stskeeps	arachnist: well, i castrated mine. needed the charging plug.	21:12
unixSnob	luke-jr: sure you can	21:12
* r2d2rogers makes a note to check his 770s at home		21:12
Stskeeps	my n810 had broken, so	21:12
luke-jr	unixSnob: you can, but it will drain the battery and not boot	21:12
VDVsx	Stskeeps, use some to control you house, one in the fridge, one in the bath, ... :P	21:12
unixSnob	luke-jr: so picky!	21:12
Stskeeps	VDVsx: i think i have enough to do that by now	21:12
Stskeeps	:P	21:12
luke-jr	unixSnob: what good is a non-booting device?	21:13
arachnist	Stskeeps: let me gues: an issue with N900?	21:13
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unixSnob	luke-jr: you can say to your friends that you have one of very few open OS handhelds :P	21:13
ml-N900	that's what external power supplies attached to the battery leads are for	21:13
Stskeeps	arachnist: no, charging plug, not usb	21:13
Stskeeps	arachnist: i managed to kill my n810 charging plug by a broken charger plug	21:13
luke-jr	unixSnob: I including "bootable" in my definition of an "open OS handheld"	21:13
unixSnob	doh!	21:14
arachnist	luke-jr: what do you need to boot it for, really? ;)	21:14
luke-jr	arachnist: ...	21:14
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arachnist	luke-jr: note the ";)" at the end	21:14
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tybollt	luke-jr: that is kind of my point. Many new handhelds have the same or very similar TI Omap ARM8 chips. All complete w/ the binary blob PowerVR chip in it :)	21:15
DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps: N810 charging receptacle is a spring contact component. No soldering. Really easy to replace	21:15
* unixSnob wonders why Nokia left out IR		21:16
DocScrutinizer51	where?	21:16
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: yeah, that's what i did	21:16
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: i needed to get the receptacle from somewhere, and my 770 was a willing donor	21:16
Stskeeps	:P	21:16
DocScrutinizer51	aah	21:17
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luke-jr	tybollt: AFAIK, besides the PowerVR, the rest of the OMAP is open; the other stuff is all perhipherals	21:17
tybollt	luke-jr: sure	21:17
ShadowJK	luke-jr, the IVA stuff is also closed	21:17
luke-jr	unixSnob: does anyone use IR anymore?	21:17
luke-jr	ShadowJK: IVA?	21:17
ShadowJK	luke-jr, the video decoding acceleration thing.	21:17
tybollt	luke-jr: same god damn (pardon my french) NDA games for the gfx chip though, and as RST38h noted yesterday - it's unlikely to ever change, sigh...	21:18
GeneralAntilles	DSP on the OMAP3	21:18
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unixSnob	luke-jr: IR enables a Palm (for example) to function as a TV remote	21:18
DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps: http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900	21:18
ShadowJK	Supposedly it's special blocks for video decode that's only accessible from the DSP, but that's not even certain, it's not documented at all	21:18
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unixSnob	luke-jr: so they're still used, just not as much for the original intent	21:18
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luke-jr	tybollt: NDAs are not a problem	21:19
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ShadowJK	N900 can act as TV remote... otherwise I think IR is pretty much gone in 2009 on Nokia devices	21:19
luke-jr	at least not in general	21:19
luke-jr	unixSnob: who uses TV? :)	21:19
DocScrutinizer51	unixSnob: so what? I use my N900 same way	21:19
DocScrutinizer51	irreco is the name of the app	21:19
tybollt	I need to find a very complete database of remotes for mine	21:20
arachnist	IR on the N900 might be useful for causing chaos in shops	21:20
unixSnob	DocScrutinizer51: n900 has IR?	21:20
luke-jr	anyone know if Gitorious has a GitWeb interface? :\|	21:20
DocScrutinizer51	yes	21:20
AndrewFBlack	anyone interested in helping me change Macuco for Diablo to run on Fremantle and make it access t.m.o instead. I want to make a native t.m.o application that turns all the menu links into a native menu	21:20
unixSnob	luke-jr: well i don't, but I like to go into bars and the like and take control... muahaha	21:20
* Caesium tried that in an airport once, didn't work :(		21:21
Caesium	the flight info screens in heathrow (and probably most airports) are just standard LCD TVs, but they must have disabled the IR or locked it down or something	21:22
unixSnob	Caesium: well if it's the screens showing flights, you could really cause trouble. i thought you were talking about the gate area screens showing the news	21:23
unixSnob	could be useful to shut off Faux News whenever encountered :P	21:23
ShadowJK	unixSnob, it has CIR which is good for controlling TVs... it's not irda, no good for data transfer	21:24
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GeneralAntilles	Almost killed myself having to listen to HLN at JFK.	21:24
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DocScrutinizer51	for high end TV sets (like Loewe) you can configure nearly everything via OSD menu in service mode. For sure if IR is enabled or not	21:27
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frals	FUCK YEAH IM AWESOME	21:28
frals	(sorry had to do it)	21:28
frals	my latest fMMS sends MMS from a bunch of carriers now	21:28
frals	GOD this feels good	21:28
Caesium	~frals++	21:28
Caesium	:D	21:28
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GeneralAntilles	frals, watch Nokia's gonna release MMS with the next update. eg	21:28
ShadowJK	oh are they?	21:29
frals	GeneralAntilles: who cares, the community beat them to it! ;-)	21:29
micke	What ever, at least the bazaar beats the cathedral :D	21:29
GeneralAntilles	frals, we often do. It's kind of the point. :P	21:29
_berto_	are the maemo mailing lists still down ?	21:30
DocScrutinizer51	GeneralAntilles: ac	21:30
DocScrutinizer51	ack	21:30
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samppa	frals: are you going to put fMMS to extras-devel or is it there already?	21:31
frals	not in devel yet; deb at http://mms.frals.se atm	21:31
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frals	gonna get it to repos after ive added a few minor cosmetic fixes	21:32
samppa	frals: ok	21:32
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_claesbas	why are the community not informed about updates like MMS support in advance ?	21:34
an0therb0x	please help... my camera no longer works on my N900... i get "operation failed"	21:34
DocScrutinizer51	darn! either minesweeper or flashlight0.3 killed my screen-brightness/snapshot gadget in systray. Guess who,s y main suspect	21:34
tybollt	_claesbas: is there such now	21:34
an0therb0x	this is a terrible ...	21:34
GeneralAntilles	Whoa guys, it was a JOKE. . . .	21:35
ShadowJK	lol	21:35
_claesbas	GeneralAntilles, oh	21:35
_claesbas	hehehe	21:35
GeneralAntilles	Do not construe it as an indication that MMS is actually going to ship. :rolleyes:	21:35
micke	an0therb0x did you do something whit the memory card?	21:35
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an0therb0x	micke: how do you mean ? ... i have an 8GB microSD in there	21:36
_claesbas	well if it ships it would be nice if things like that was notified to the community atleast some time before it is ship.. at least when the Nokia team nails the desision to start working on it	21:36
DocScrutinizer51	flashlight gadget also gone :-((	21:36
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jevin	are there currently problems with the maemo apt repos? apt-get update keeps timing out	21:37
* LuciusMare wonders what would happen if i would 'echo mem>/sys/power/state'		21:37
DocScrutinizer51	~lart flashlight-0.3 update	21:37
* infobot beats flashlight-0.3 update senseless with a 50lb Unix manual		21:37
micke	an0therb0x: I formated my card to ext3 and the camera could no longer use it, and i got that error	21:37
LuciusMare	huh?	21:37
LuciusMare	why is the update bad?	21:38
micke	I had to start storing pics on internal storage	21:38
LuciusMare	DocScrutinizer51: what's wrong with it?	21:38
DocScrutinizer51	see my ast three comments	21:38
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GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer51, open the lens cover?	21:38
LuciusMare	i wasnt there yet.	21:38
DocScrutinizer51	GeneralAntilles: suuuure :))	21:39
frals	times like these i wish i was aggregated at planet-maemo to post a blogpost about MMS support... oh well :)	21:39
DocScrutinizer51	LuciusMare: darn! either minesweeper or flashlight0.3 killed my screen-brightness/snapshot gadget in systray. Guess who,s y main suspect	21:39
LuciusMare	ah	21:39
LuciusMare	snapshot gadget?	21:39
an0therb0x	micke: how do i even change the setting to tell the camera to use internal storage if i can not open up the camera app	21:40
SpeedEvil	Anyone players with weighjinni - I tried to import some weights and it doesn't seem to want to know dates in 2010	21:40
SpeedEvil	weight	21:40
an0therb0x	micke: the camera display opens for a micro sec and fails	21:40
micke	an0therb0x: beats me...	21:40
LuciusMare	SpeedEvil: its the 2kx bug	21:40
LuciusMare	:P	21:40
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SpeedEvil	LuciusMare: looks like it.	21:40
LuciusMare	2KX is the new 2KY!	21:40
SpeedEvil	I'm trying to export my data from a web 0.2 website.	21:41
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LuciusMare	huh	21:41
LuciusMare	i wasnt even connected, i just rebooted	21:41
LuciusMare	>_<	21:42
SpeedEvil	may take up to 10 mins to timeout	21:42
LuciusMare	hm	21:42
SpeedEvil	which is good on occasiona as it means you can just pickup interrupted sessions	21:42
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LuciusMare	oh,and bluemaemo does not work for me,lemme paste the error message	21:42
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LuciusMare	my tablet froze	21:44
LuciusMare	>:(	21:44
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jevin	can somebody else try to get repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/Release.gpg	21:47
LuciusMare	http://pastebin.com/d7654cb79	21:47
jevin	it gives me a 404 (and breaks apt-get, of course)	21:47
jevin	a 404 after a very long timeout (the CDN is flaking out?)	21:47
SpeedEvil	sdk broken for me too	21:47
jevin	SpeedEvil, know of any mirrors?	21:48
LuciusMare	anyone? :(	21:48
SpeedEvil	jevin: there are a couple in my bathroom.	21:49
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DocScrutinizer51	SpeedEvil: the is... ?	21:51
SpeedEvil	plural - there are two mirrors.	21:52
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DocScrutinizer51	bah	21:52
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DocScrutinizer51	how boring	21:52
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DocScrutinizer51	thought your bathroom was occupied by a couple	21:54
frade	hi, does anybody know about how to get the selection from a hildon.TouchSelector in multiple selection mode?	21:54
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xorAxAx	frals: cool	21:56
LuciusMare_n900	please?	21:56
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_berto_	frade: get_selected_rows	21:56
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DocScrutinizer51	wtf??!! actually all my additional systray gadgets are gone since flashlight update a fewhours ago	22:02
GAN900	Restart?	22:02
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DocScrutinizer51	not yet	22:02
frade	_berto_, do you have an example in python?	22:03
frade	maybe there is a problem in the python bindings	22:03
DocScrutinizer51	you think it's worth a reboot?	22:03
xorAxAx	port android and abandon maemo?	22:03
frade	selected_paths = s.get_selected_rows (0)	22:03
frade	AttributeError: 'hildon.TouchSelector' object has no attribute 'get_selected_rows'	22:03
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_berto_	frade: no, not in python	22:03
DocScrutinizer51	or may I just restart the systray task / daemon / whatever?	22:03
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DocScrutinizer51	GAN900: restart? (what exactly?) or reboot?	22:04
GeneralAntilles	Reboot	22:04
DocScrutinizer51	k	22:05
DocScrutinizer51	cya in a minute	22:05
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DocScrutinizer51	GeneralAntilles: k, reboot fixed it (except for flashlight which I haven,t checked yet)	22:08
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DocScrutinizer51	'you moved the position of your mouse cursor. Please reboot windows for the change to take effect' :-S	22:09
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Muhvi	http://koti.tnnet.fi/muhvi/linux_vs_windows_phone.jpg	22:11
frals	hehe	22:11
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Dassu	wat. that right one O_O	22:12
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Dassu	I mean what were they thinking....	22:12
DocScrutinizer51	flashlight a clumsy and functional as before	22:12
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Muhvi	its actually logistics pda	22:12
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GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer51, you take risks when you install stuff that's in testing or devel	22:12
Muhvi	but it has gprs and gps	22:12
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Muhvi	but i thought it would make funny picture, as it is windows os in it :D	22:12
Dassu	how long have you guys been waiting for your n900?	22:12
DocScrutinizer51	GeneralAntilles: ooh? no kidding? ;-)	22:12
Dassu	I ordered mine in 19.12	22:13
Dassu	and still no word on it	22:13
SpeedEvil	Dassu: -38 days	22:13
lizardo	frade: looks like get_selected_rows() is not implemented for hildon.TouchSelector on Python	22:13
Dassu	SpeedEvil: :/ k	22:13
lizardo	frade: can you fill a bug report on it?	22:13
lizardo	frade: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PyMaemo	22:14
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DocScrutinizer51	GeneralAntilles: I lke to think of it like "I'm taking opportunities to spank developers every now and then" ;-P	22:15
yuizy	is there any way to get vgb run faster?	22:17
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woglinde	yuizy whats vgb?	22:20
yuizy	virtual gameboy	22:20
yuizy	:)	22:20
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woglinde	yuizy hm javispedri would know it	22:23
woglinde	ups javispedro	22:23
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* slonopotamus really needs scrollbar in fremantle xchat userlist		22:26
Macer	heh	22:27
Macer	use ssh and irssi ;)	22:27
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timeless_mbp	slonopotamus: just turn off the userlist :)	22:29
timeless_mbp	slonopotamus: what you really need is a filter feature	22:29
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odinm	odinm is back in UK.... N900 did 14000miles	22:31
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lardman	evening	22:32
Stskeeps	evening	22:33
slonopotamus	timeless_mbp, i need scrollbar	22:33
slonopotamus	timeless_mbp, because i don't remember whom i want to talk to but might recall if see him in userlist.	22:33
woglinde	jo lardman	22:33
* lardman curses snow		22:33
lardman	or rather curses his steep drive and the ice now on it stopping me getting car back in garage	22:33
GAN900	lardman, fun.	22:34
odinm	14000miles provides a new perspective on work to be done	22:34
* GAN900 had a bit of frost on his windshield this morning.		22:35
lardman	GAN900: handbrake turns and scandanavian flicks in deserted car park were fun, but getting back no so much	22:35
Muhvi	its been 4 weeks of about -20 here	22:36
* lardman looks at cost of shovel		22:36
lardman	Muhvi: we're not really prepared for it	22:36
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Muhvi	here people are mostly	22:36
lardman	crampons might be useful too for walking to work	22:36
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Muhvi	only thing i'm missing is good scarf, face is freezing when its -20 or below	22:37
lardman	I can believe it	22:37
lardman	was only ~-2C here today but felt quite warm	22:38
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lardman	no wind and low humidity atm	22:38
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Muhvi	hehe, here it has been warm and it's -16 :D	22:38
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lardman	:)	22:38
Jef91	howdy all	22:38
b-man17	it's snowing an inch an hour here O_o	22:38
Jef91	b-man17 you in Chicago?	22:39
lardman	walking uphill in the snow is a killer	22:39
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Muhvi	it should be warm soon though, next five days ---> http://www.fmi.fi/saa/paikalli.html?place=Jyvaskyla	22:39
b-man17	Jef91: just south of Toledo, ohio	22:39
lardman	walked to work yesterday, was hard work, slipped back 3/4 step for every one I took	22:39
lardman	good work out ;)	22:39
b-man17	about 245 miles east of you xD	22:39
Muhvi	i hate slippery roads when walking	22:39
Jef91	ahh kk - I'm in Chicago also snowing like crazy here	22:39
Jef91	anyone know how I would go about installing lisp into a sandbox server?	22:40
b-man17	that means that i'm in for a crazy evening XD	22:40
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inz	Muhvi, you have such cold up there; it's only -15 here, ~110 km SW from there ;)	22:40
b-man17	suppose to snow 4 inches today and another 6 tonight xD	22:41
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lardman	lol, and we've got troubles here with only a few inches	22:41
b-man17	it got soo bad i gout out of school early	22:41
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Muhvi	inz, yeah, i had week of army refresher training in -25 3 weeks ago, that was nice :D	22:41
b-man17	22 F here ;)	22:42
ShadowJK	-29C here	22:42
b-man17	inz: wow	22:42
b-man17	inz: oh wait, nvm C ;P	22:43
inz	b-man, yeah, we're civilized here ;)	22:43
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b-man17	lol	22:43
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inz	or should I say celsified ;)	22:44
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b-man17	inz: sometimes i wonder why the US never changed to metric xD	22:45
Muhvi	reagan stopped it	22:45
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Muhvi	Carter started comission to change american system to SI	22:46
Muhvi	and Reagan stopped it :D	22:46
b-man17	oh damn xD	22:46
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T7g	I kinda like irritating the rest of the world with our measurement system	22:46
nyyppahiki	hello, just wondering what is the "normal" ram usage on n900?	22:46
inz	Muhvi, well SI says temperature is K ;)	22:46
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T7g	and it gives us hilarious results like space probes calculating in meters instead of feet and crashing into stuff	22:46
nyyppahiki	installed the system info widget and it shows over 150mb	22:46
Muhvi	inz, yup, but that's about the only different measurement we use	22:47
* ShadowJK has no idea how info widget measures it		22:47
vpv	nyyppahiki: that's probably fine, btw, you can also install the load applet to see cpu load and mem usage on the panel/whatever it is...	22:47
Muhvi	T7g, yeah, that was funny as hell, i can imagine the big "OOOOOOOOOPS" that someone felt when that happened	22:48
nyyppahiki	vpv: yes thanks i have it installed	22:48
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flux	suggestions for recording audio from the command line?	22:49
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flux	ah, pulseaudio-utils has parec, I'm guessing that'll fit the bill	22:50
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b-man17	LOL, my town is under a level 1 snow emergency xD	22:55
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lcuk	my town is under snow	23:03
woglinde	hi lcuk	23:03
lcuk	hiya woglinde	23:03
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krig	Hey, if anyone has the time, please take a look at my jamendo.com player and vote: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/jamaendo/0.2-1	23:07
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VDVsx	krig, thanks for making this app ;)	23:07
flux	slow repository is slow :(	23:09
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lardman	lcuk: how's the washer fluid this year?	23:09
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Andy80	hi	23:10
krig	VDVsx: my pleasure :)	23:10
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flux	who wrote that program called AccDisplay?	23:10
lcuk	not frozen, but the 4a fuse i put in last year went when it first froze over	23:10
Andy80	guys.... I've to re-install Maemo SDK again on my PC, because it's a new installation... but let me say how much I'm frustrated by the installation!	23:10
Andy80	I've tried the GUI one and it doesn't work at all	23:11
Andy80	it continues asking for the proxy url	23:11
lcuk	flux, clovis scotti	23:11
Andy80	and you can only cancel or put a proxy....	23:11
VDVsx	Andy80, I installed last SDK using the GUI version, worked very well	23:11
lcuk	Andy80, me too, i installed hte gui install on a clean 32b ubuntu	23:11
Andy80	then I switched back to text installer	23:11
Andy80	and there's again the same DNS problem	23:11
Andy80	I mean... where do we want to go with those tools :P ???	23:12
lcuk	so, its a dns problem and not an installer problem	23:12
Andy80	lcuk: no.... it's something fixable manually copying local resolv.conf to some folder	23:12
Andy80	I don't remember which oneù	23:12
lcuk	are you sure thats the problem at that early stage?	23:13
lcuk	i tohught that only came up once you were logged in and change network details since setup	23:13
lcuk	ie, at install afaik it makes resolv.conf from your current settings	23:13
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Andy80	lcuk: try to do an apt-get update inside your scratchbox	23:14
Andy80	if it works, it's not a server problem	23:14
lcuk	flux, theres another accelerometer test app, liqacceltests - its got a few visualizations and a funky rapid updating graph	23:14
lcuk	Andy80, ive done updates and upgrades and distupdates from within my scratchbox	23:15
lcuk	i only ever get resolv.conf style issues if i switch network	23:15
lcuk	whilst session is open afaik	23:15
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Andy80	lcuk: ok but now I'm not changin connection... I'm just at home at my desktop pc, I cannot complete the maemo sdk installation :\	23:16
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lcuk	Andy80, do you wanna pastebin the console log, and which os are you using	23:17
Andy80	lcuk: ok, just a minute...	23:17
lcuk	i know its most likely dns for whatever reason, but is it normal maemo.org urls or the cache ones	23:18
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Andy80	it's retrying...	23:18
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da15y	is the deblet project still mentained? where can i find a deb and installn instructions, thanks	23:20
Stskeeps	no, Mer is it's successor	23:21
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da15y	can i dual boot into mer?	23:21
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Andy80	lcuk: finally http://pastebin.ca/1741880 - under Ubuntu 9.10	23:23
evo	question about bugzilla: I noted that an alias was added to some bugs, something like int-xxxxxx .. what does it mean?	23:25
lcuk	ok Andy80 if you rerun the script, does it delete the targets for armel and x86 and remake them	23:25
VDVsx_	krig, I'm experiencing some crashes when I select a song or change song :(	23:26
Andy80	lcuk: yes, I always choose the "delete the old targets" option....	23:26
Andy80	lcuk: but it keeps giving me the same errors	23:26
lcuk	Andy80, the reason is, if you try to fix resolve.conf it gets copied into target	23:26
lcuk	you can try the fix tho..	23:26
lcuk	#	23:27
lcuk	Fix /etc/resolv.conf to match your network settings	23:27
lcuk	Example: From OUTSIDE of scratchbox $ cp /etc/resolv.conf /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/ARM/etc/resolv.conf	23:27
lcuk	then rerun	23:27
lcuk	since you already know you have clean targets (nothing downloaded into them	23:27
krig	VDVsx_: ouch :( alright, that's a blocker then.. strange. if you run it from a terminal you should get some output, I'd be grateful if you pasted that to me :)	23:27
lcuk	if this fails its back to drawing board tho	23:27
VDVsx_	krig, let me try, note that I'm running pr1.1	23:28
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Andy80	lcuk: I tried this too... but if I re-run, it wipes out the target.... so how can avoid my new resolv.conf to be wiped out?	23:28
krig	VDVsx_: oh, I see.. haven't tested against 1.1. Interesting. :)	23:28
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lcuk	Andy80, you just said you select "delete the old targets" whats the alternative to deleting them?	23:28
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lcuk	krig, dont let 1.1 testing worry you :)	23:29
Andy80	lcuk: ah... the alternative is keeping them, but at that point it does nothing!	23:29
lcuk	ahhh right	23:29
Andy80	lcuk: it assumes the target are installed and exit	23:29
Andy80	:\	23:29
lcuk	so it doesnt try to populate them	23:29
lcuk	bummer	23:29
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krig	lcuk: well, I'm probably doing something wrong for it to crash	23:30
Andy80	my question is: are these instructions updated: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation ?	23:30
lcuk	yeah krig but i doubt its 1.1 related	23:30
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Andy80	lcuk: in particular... I downloaded scripts from Forum Nokia...... is it possible that they have old versions and are totally messed?	23:31
lcuk	no, thats unlikely	23:31
frals	hmm, time for lunch i think...	23:31
MohammadAG	Andy80, I have a tut	23:31
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lcuk	Andy80, i dont think you are doing it wrong	23:32
lcuk	i think you are encountering a bug tho	23:32
MohammadAG	Andy80, http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/31920-howto-get-linux-maemo-sdk-w-emulator-running.html	23:32
lcuk	have you attempted to do a complete clean and removal	23:32
lcuk	using hte instructions	23:32
lcuk	and trying again from scratch so to speak	23:33
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Andy80	lcuk: I was starting with a completly new machine.... I'll try to wipe out all again :\	23:33
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lcuk	ahhhh	23:35
lcuk	no Andy80	23:35
VDVsx_	krig, http://pastebin.ca/1741894	23:35
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lcuk	Andy80, outside csratchbox, does	23:35
lcuk	ie, not a part of a target..	23:35
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Andy80	lcuk: what you mean exactly?	23:36
lcuk	the thing which will probably get copied in to make a new target	23:36
lcuk	cp /etc/resolv.conf /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf	23:36
lcuk	instead of what i said up there about copying it into each target	23:36
VDVsx_	krig, I think you need to use a thread when skipping songs/, in order to avoid that the whole app freeze	23:36
Andy80	lcuk: I tried also: sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf	23:36
Andy80	lcuk: but nothing ..... doesn't work	23:36
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hrw	re	23:36
lcuk	dunno then, the installer kinda does everything right normally :S	23:37
lcuk	hi hrw	23:37
lcuk	ill brb	23:37
hrw	~curse *.maemo.org servers	23:37
infobot	May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, *.maemo.org servers !	23:37
krig	VDVsz_: ah yes, I'm intending to move all the network communications to a background thread.. was kind of putting it off since it worked so well for me without it, heh.	23:37
Andy80	lcuk: I'll try again, from "scratch", deleting all /scratchbox	23:38
VDVsx_	krig, can be due to my connection, someone is sucking a lot of bandwidth atm :D	23:39
VDVsx_	krig, but the thread will help for sure	23:39
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krig	VDVsx_: yeah, I might as well bite the bullet and get that fixed	23:39
krig	VDVsz_: thanks for trying it out	23:40
VDVsx_	krig, np	23:40
lcuk	Andy80, follow the deletion notes rather than just deleting	23:40
Andy80	lcuk: ops...	23:41
Andy80	lcuk: infact it doesn't let me delete some files.-..	23:41
lcuk	:)	23:41
krig	VDVsz_: the danger of developing on a 100MB fiberoptic connection :D	23:42
Andy80	lcuk: some process still in memory... I think I've to reboot :P	23:42
krig	well, Mbit, but..	23:42
Gadgetoid_mbp	Fuzzlepuds	23:42
Gadgetoid_mbp	Fizzlefockpoppets!	23:42
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Gadgetoid_mbp	An update to Flashlight?	23:44
Andy80	brb	23:44
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Gadgetoid_mbp	Needs the option to strobe at half brightness, for sending morse code	23:44
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rlinfati	frals, i can send OK mms :D	23:47
frals	rlinfati: cool :)	23:47
rlinfati	frals, but.... i can not send me a mms :( ( to others phone OK, to email not working )	23:47
rlinfati	if to == from => fail	23:47
frals	rlinfati: email support is not added yet, I figured if you want email someone you are gonna use email ;-)	23:48
DocScrutinizer51	bah, needs an option to rise a menu on camslider open. this menu should have a switch 'flashlight on/off' that remebers last sate or a default config. then a pushbutton 'start stillcam', a pushbutton 'start videocam'. And specially for Gadgetoid_mbp a pushbutton 'morse'	23:48
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ml-N900	hmm	23:48
frals	rlinfati: sounds weird, your MMSC might check that so it doesnt deliver those messages as its a bit silly :-)	23:48
rlinfati	how i can see the output of fmmd.py ? is running....	23:48
ml-N900	the song order in the media player for All Songs is very... random	23:49
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frals	need to kill it and start it in a terminal (ps \| grep fmmsd and then kill <number in first row> and then python /opt/fmms/fmmsd.py in the terminal)	23:50
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DocScrutinizer51	honestly, where is the rationale to place the flashlight switch to systray??	23:50
rlinfati	run as root or user?	23:50
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frals	root	23:51
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ml-N900	ohh I bet I know what's going on	23:52
ml-N900	I bet it's reading the strings as something other than UTF-8	23:52
Gadgetoid_mbp	DocScrutinizer51: Should shove the desktop recording options in there for good measure, they're gumming up my menu	23:54
* ml-N900 notes to file a bug report later today		23:54
rlinfati	frals, SRC: 1025 : 9200 DST: 2948	23:54
rlinfati	frals, and not do nothing more....	23:54
hrw\|gone	any ETA known for maemo servers upgrade?	23:55
hrw\|gone	note that today I do not ask about 50.1 firmware release ;d	23:55
frals	rlinfati: okey, ill have to go through my code and check	23:55
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lardman	rlinfati: hey	23:56
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rlinfati	lardman, ?	23:57
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lardman	rlinfati: was just going to chat to you about the latitude app	23:57
Gadgetoid_mbp	hrw\|gone: they said it would be finished by next week	23:57
rlinfati	ok	23:58
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lardman	and ask if you've looked at hooking into the (presumably) iphone multitouch javascript code	23:58
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frals	rlinfati: check query when you have time please :)	23:58
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hrw\|gone	thx	23:59
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andre__	ml-N900: there are already a few reports around under Data/Tracker and Media Player	23:59
MohammadAG	FMTX faker in -devel	23:59

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