| AakashPatel | adalal: i say that the new update for telepathy-extras broked something | 00:00 |
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| adalal | AakashPatel: i think so too... report it? | 00:01 |
| adalal | need to have a look a the bugs list | 00:01 |
| AakashPatel | me too | 00:01 |
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| phreck | so whats up | 00:17 |
| MaemohammadAG | hi | 00:19 |
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| RST38h | In the wake of public outcry against the Transportation Security Administration for serving civil subpoenas on two bloggers, the government agency has canceled the legal action and apologized for the strong-arm tactics agents used | 00:21 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: had a look? | 00:21 |
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| MaemohammadAG | running low on root space. how can i check which apps are installed to root | 00:24 |
| AakashPatel | adalal: nah i was setting up my phoen again, ill do it right now | 00:24 |
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| AakashPatel | adalal: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25850 | 00:32 |
| povbot` | Bug 25850: was not found. | 00:32 |
| adalal | it is found | 00:33 |
| adalal | lol | 00:33 |
| rlinfati | Hi, using liblocation with mode = CWP, what is the default accuracy? 640000 ? | 00:37 |
| rlinfati | or someone with location-test-gui + n900 + sim can checkit ? ( i'm not sure if this value is per country o global ) | 00:38 |
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| AakashPatel | adalal: fixed in .6 | 00:57 |
| AakashPatel | he just uploaded it | 00:57 |
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| KamuiN900 | hi | 01:06 |
| pupnik_ | /lastlog fixed | 01:07 |
| KamuiN900 | round of golf | 01:07 |
| KamuiN900 | very refreshing | 01:07 |
| KamuiN900 | so xchat is really quite nice now | 01:07 |
| KamuiN900 | just a little hildonizing... | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | so is talking to yourself, apparently | 01:07 |
| KamuiN900 | is that your way of telling me to shut up | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | quite | 01:08 |
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| KamuiN900 | *sniff* | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | ~pett kamui | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | damn | 01:09 |
| crashanddie | ~pet KamuiN900 | 01:09 |
| * infobot reaches over and pets KamuiN900 on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" | 01:09 | |
| KamuiN900 | lol | 01:09 |
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| crashanddie | anyone have a megavideo link for doctor who? (the one that aired tonight?) | 01:12 |
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| tps_ | Is nokia planning to drop support for gtk on maemo because most of the news coming from nokia about maemo are mainly Qt related. Anybody knows? | 01:28 |
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| jX | well, Nokia bought TrollTech, and are opening Qt, and moving to it in the next Maemo, hence the spate of Qt related news, as for dropping it, not sure. | 01:29 |
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| jX | I'd say right now they're not entirely sure, but I'd wager there'll be a period of dual support. | 01:29 |
| joppu | tps_: M6 will have legacy support for GTK+ | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | And mer is gonna be a _lot_ more functional in the nearish term. | 01:30 |
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| ifreq | can anyone dl firefox beta from their site | 01:31 |
| ifreq | cant dowload it with n900 atleast | 01:31 |
| ifreq | it opens up to app manager and i get msg: operation not permitted | 01:31 |
| wazd_e63 | reheya | 01:31 |
| jX | wfm | 01:31 |
| ifreq | www.firefox.com/m | 01:31 |
| joppu | don't worry; it sucked anyway | 01:32 |
| ifreq | okay :) | 01:32 |
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| angasule | is there any reason cloning guides all want the internal mmc to be partitioned into 2 or more partitions? | 01:34 |
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| jX | I'd say yes, there is a reason. | 01:36 |
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| adalal | AakashPatel: cool, sorry was out | 01:38 |
| AakashPatel | np | 01:39 |
| angasule | jX: thanks, what is the reason? | 01:39 |
| jX | I haven't a clue. | 01:39 |
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| GAN900 | angasule, so swap has a place to go and USB will mount something. | 01:40 |
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| angasule | GAN900: I'm not quite sure I want swap, and ext2 doesn't seem to be a problem with USB, I tried it already | 01:42 |
| GAN900 | You want swap | 01:42 |
| angasule | I do :? | 01:42 |
| GAN900 | But you don't need FAT for it if you enable it manually. | 01:42 |
| GAN900 | Yes. | 01:42 |
| GAN900 | And you want ext3. | 01:42 |
| dmj7261 | do you want to only have 256 mb for ram? | 01:42 |
| angasule | how do I get ext3? | 01:43 |
| GAN900 | 128MB on the N810 | 01:43 |
| GAN900 | angasule, follow the guide? | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ext3 is a problem with usb if you want to plug it into random appliances. for example mp3 players and have it suck the music out. | 01:43 |
| GAN900 | mkfs.ext3 | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | If I simply copy all the files off the existing mmc partition remake it as 4G, and put the files back - that should work OK? | 01:44 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, we already determined that that wasn't a necessary feature. | 01:44 |
| jX | "I've been bitten by the deadly MP3back snake! You must open the woiund and suck the music out or I'll die from RIAAitis!" | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | want a large ext3 part | 01:44 |
| angasule | ok, so I should convert to ext3 and then proceed with a single partition | 01:45 |
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| dmj7261 | ext_ should be default when windows support is only a niche feature. | 01:46 |
| jX | niche feature? | 01:46 |
| jX | from what planet do you hail? I'd liek to go there. | 01:46 |
| dmj7261 | I'm dreaming here. | 01:46 |
| jX | indeed. | 01:46 |
| dmj7261 | Or when M$ decides not to saddle the whole world with filesystems that are nearly as bad as the kind undergrad students make. | 01:47 |
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| adalal | AakashPatel: what's the difference b/t MSN and MSN (Haze)? | 01:49 |
| AakashPatel | No clue | 01:49 |
| ali1234 | msn(haze) = libpurple, msn = butterfly | 01:49 |
| adalal | thanks! | 01:50 |
| ifreq | i wonder how long until ovi store will open it doors :P | 01:50 |
| ali1234 | butterfly being a native telepathy plugin. haze is just a wrapper | 01:50 |
| adalal | ah.. so ur suggesting using MSN as the option over MSN (Haze)? | 01:51 |
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| cehteh | anyone knows where one can read the brightness sensor (and proximity sensor perhaps?) dbus or /sys? | 01:53 |
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| pupnik_ | searching this channel will give you the prox sensor at least\ | 01:57 |
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| ali1234 | adalal: not really, no. i find haze to be more stable. but neither of them is "ready" yet, that's why they're not in extras yet. unless they are and i missed it. | 01:58 |
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| adalal | ali1234: they aren't i suppose... | 02:06 |
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| KamuiN900 | has anyone come up with a definitive answer on which consumes less power with light/moderate use, pidgin or conversations with various plugins? | 02:14 |
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| GAN900 | The people in the firmware thread are so inane. | 02:16 |
| jebba1 | what thread? | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | KamuiN900: somewhat irrelevant if you have 3g on | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Kamui; start top, look at CPU use after an hour | 02:17 |
| jebba1 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=449032#post449032 ah probably that thread... | 02:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | jebba1: I read the first page, and I can feel neurons dying. | 02:19 |
| KamuiN900 | i had thought it had to do with network use | 02:19 |
| KamuiN900 | well now i know | 02:19 |
| nikosapi | any of you n810 owners have a problem with their battery swelling? | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | xchat lasts >>12h logged in | 02:20 |
| pupnik_ | confirmed around 10-12 | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | KamuiN900: 3g is horribly power using for any \ | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | IRC client | 02:21 |
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| pupnik | [ADVERTISEMENT] Are you daunted by the scratchbox setup wiki! Does crosscompiling make your eyes blur? Don't get mad, get MADDE! Maemo Application Development and Debugging Environment http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE | 02:27 |
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| pupnik | anybody good with x86 debuggers. i want to find the function that turns left/right/forward/back in ultima underworld 1 (1992, DOS) and bind those to keyboard arrows | 02:42 |
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| cehteh | mhm will maemo.org ever be fast? | 02:43 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:44 |
| lcuk | pupnik, its a dos debugger you need then? | 02:45 |
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| pupnik | lcuk: i think it would be not-so-easy | 02:45 |
| pupnik | just planting seeds | 02:46 |
| lcuk | indeed,gdb is better for debugging | 02:46 |
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| lcuk | but not sure of mileage | 02:47 |
| lcuk | in emulated dos apps | 02:47 |
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| pupnik | it's still a bit slow in dosbox | 02:47 |
| pupnik | it is listed in top games of all time lists. and it was really good, once you got past the pixelation | 02:47 |
| Caesium | how much life is everyone getting out of their N900 with wifi on permanently? I'm at about 50% battery after 24 hours of sitting htere mostly idle with wifi on.. wondering how that fared | 02:48 |
| pupnik | but all steering was done by clicking on the mouse... RSI hell | 02:48 |
| pupnik | strange hobby Caesium | 02:48 |
| Caesium | hey, I'm geeky, what can I say :) | 02:48 |
| cehteh | Caesium: well it very much depends on what the device does | 02:48 |
| pupnik | i got a spare battery and external charger | 02:48 |
| pupnik | solved, next issue | 02:49 |
| cehteh | if its idle and doesnt do much connections it will last quite long | 02:49 |
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| cehteh | but i drained the battery in about 6hours or so with a lot of email, skype and rss updates running | 02:49 |
| Caesium | ouch :) | 02:49 |
| Caesium | external charger, hmm, will have to scout for one of those, not a big fan of the N900s "intelligent" charging | 02:50 |
| cehteh | just wlan on doesnt consume power, transmitting data does | 02:50 |
| Caesium | if it has power it should chuffin' well charge the battery. | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Caesium: over 30h or so | 02:50 |
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| ShadowJK | (unless the AP is crap) | 02:50 |
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| GAN900 | Caesium, saves battery cycles. | 02:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Caesium: I gave up at ~30h of testing. | 02:50 |
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| ifreq | hmm hermes saved some time to fillup contact details :) | 02:50 |
| ifreq | gotta love it | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Caesium: wiht it simply reporting battery stats over ssh every 20s. And about an hour of normal use too | 02:51 |
| ifreq | now just give good/simple sw to rate up apps | 02:51 |
| cehteh | listening webradio lasts prolly 5-7 hours for me, cant exactly say because i usually do other things then too with the device | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: and yes, wlan on consumes power | 02:51 |
| Caesium | oh, where did you get the battery stats? I had a look for /proc/acpi but it's not there | 02:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: the reciever - even though it's on for a short time only - uses a fair bit of power | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Caesium: lshal|grep batter | 02:51 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: yes but "just on" is quite less than transfering data | 02:51 |
| Caesium | ah, ta :) | 02:52 |
| cehteh | i usually have it all times on | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: not really that much | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: transmitting data generally isn't much more expensive than preparing that data to transmit | 02:52 |
| cehteh | that hardly makes a big drain, other things are more expensive, like i saied .. add the rss widget, update email automatically, have skype running | 02:52 |
| cehteh | well power issues are somewhat black magic .. with my device reflashed some days ago and have a dozen charge cylces now it lasts much longer than in the beginning | 02:53 |
| Caesium | that's another reason I'm letting it run down | 02:54 |
| cehteh | first days i was really unsatisfied, always less than 8 hours sometimes even only 4 hours | 02:54 |
| lcuk | anyone considered its because you were running around installing loads of stuff all day at first | 02:54 |
| jX | speaking of RSS, the RSS widget doesn't autoscroll anymore? | 02:54 |
| cehteh | you dont/should not run down a li-ion battery too often, thats not good for them | 02:54 |
| cehteh | lcuk: yeah prolly that too | 02:55 |
| Caesium | agreed, but once or twice to get it calibrated won't hurt it I think | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | i wish it was possible to set maximum charge voltage | 02:55 |
| lcuk | my batteries go up and down like a hookers ass | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | charging only to 980 | 02:55 |
| lcuk | sometimes they are full, sometimes not | 02:55 |
| Caesium | SpeedEvil: hm, why? :) | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | 90% does wonders for battery longevity | 02:55 |
| lcuk | sometimes they drain ocmpletely, othertimes they are drip fed | 02:55 |
| cehteh | well i now keep it on the charger while sitting and working, then its full when i disconnect | 02:55 |
| cehteh | and new batteries are not that expensive compared to a laptop battery so this is not a that big issue | 02:56 |
| cehteh | just having it last far less than a workday in the beginning was disappoiinting | 02:56 |
| cehteh | but looks ok now | 02:57 |
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| cehteh | there are some bugs still .. turn wifi off and it sucks battery like no more | 02:57 |
| cehteh | sometimes xinput-sound gets stuck at 100% cpu | 02:58 |
| cehteh | watch out when the device gets warm .. prolly a good idea to look at it then, or reboot | 02:58 |
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| Caesium | load-applet is handy for that :) | 02:58 |
| cehteh | well load applet wakes the cpu by itself | 02:59 |
| * cehteh just scratches the design for an automatic profile switcher, based on a voting system, anyone here interested on such a project | 03:01 | |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: voting system? | 03:03 |
| cehteh | http://pastebin.org/70410 config alike | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist/Profiles - some thoughts | 03:05 |
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| cehteh | that is there are 'engines' which query a certain thing, if the device is facing down, or about the time | 03:05 |
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| cehteh | then this is looked up in the associated table, which in turn votes for some feature | 03:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm planning on resizing partitions on the mmc. Shrinking p1 - the vfat - to 4G - and putting P4 - an ext2 - in the free space. | 03:07 |
| cehteh | like celluar = on, availability = offline and so on, after gone through all engines the votes are counted and wining things are set | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone aware of any issues with this? | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm copying off the stuff in the vfat first | 03:07 |
| cehteh | i first thought about logic rules, but that becomes too complex to configure | 03:07 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 03:08 |
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| cehteh | btw, how/where can i control the speaker and microphone volume when doing calls? i yesterday tried to call someone from a party and the phone was way to silent | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | the hardware volume buttons | 03:11 |
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| cehteh | mhm ok trying that next time, i had the impression they had no much effect | 03:11 |
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| cehteh | waah .. who designed this? | 03:14 |
| cehteh | the volume buttons change direction in portrait mode | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:15 |
| dmj7261 | It's retarded | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | it's 'intuitively obviuous' | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | or retarded. | 03:15 |
| cehteh | i vote for retarded | 03:15 |
| dmj7261 | They are the right direction in portrait, and not the wrong direction in landscape, | 03:15 |
| dmj7261 | but the switching directions is weird | 03:15 |
| cehteh | yes | 03:15 |
| cehteh | and i would like if phone volume is independent of music volume | 03:16 |
| dmj7261 | this wouldn't be an issue if the buttons were on the bottom (landscape) of the device | 03:16 |
| dmj7261 | and alarm volume | 03:16 |
| cehteh | alarm volume is already independent | 03:16 |
| dmj7261 | I wanted the alarm to be top volume without watching video at ear blasting loudness. | 03:17 |
| dmj7261 | really? | 03:17 |
| cehteh | iirc its set in ringtones | 03:17 |
| dmj7261 | I must be missing something | 03:17 |
| dmj7261 | but if I turn the main volume down, does it get quieter? | 03:17 |
| cehteh | profiles | 03:18 |
| cehteh | mhm no | 03:18 |
| dmj7261 | Actually, the color for the volume bar is inverted from what it should be. | 03:18 |
| cehteh | or its always max volume? | 03:18 |
| cehteh | well thats a minor issue | 03:18 |
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| dmj7261 | I generally associate black with background more than yellow. | 03:19 |
| * cehteh tries alarm | 03:19 | |
| dmj7261 | It's minor, but it confused me the first time. | 03:19 |
| cehteh | there are a lot little things which can be done better | 03:20 |
| cehteh | yeah looks like alarm always goes up to max volume | 03:20 |
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| cehteh | uhm welcome to the reboot :/ | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | what recreates fstab? | 03:56 |
| jX | a pissed off fgirlfriend with a fknife | 03:56 |
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| pupnik | cehteh: there are application profiles in pulseaudio config, it might be possible to do | 04:02 |
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| cehteh | uhm wtf .. ssh asks me for password, was setup for key only | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | you flashed? | 04:05 |
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| cehteh | no .. but solved :) | 04:06 |
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| cehteh | shared connection setup i have to initiate a connection as user, from my laptop first before i start root<>root rsync | 04:06 |
| cehteh | root has no ssh key on my lapto | 04:07 |
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| cehteh | pupnik: well i am thinking about something which integrates it all in one thing | 04:08 |
| pupnik | An app volume setter gui? | 04:08 |
| cehteh | ah .. i thought you talked about the profile thing i talked earlier | 04:09 |
| * pupnik is listening to the Dan Ellsberg interview from yesterday again | 04:09 | |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: why not just do ssh root@phone ? | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | with the key added to your user accounts keys it just works | 04:12 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: i exactly did that, but as root | 04:12 |
| cehteh | the root on my laptop has no key | 04:12 |
| cehteh | but i am using the ssh connection shareing feature of ssh .. so i can start ssh root@phone as user first after that i can do that from a sudo-root terminal too | 04:13 |
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| cehteh | using pam-ssh sso | 04:14 |
| cehteh | never enter passphrases | 04:14 |
| cehteh | (almost, except for initial login) | 04:14 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:15 |
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| * SpeedEvil is rsyncing his laptop to back it up onto the phone. | 04:15 | |
| SpeedEvil | hard disk is doing odd things. | 04:15 |
| AakashN900 | is there tab complete in xchat maemo? | 04:15 |
| el_zilcho | anyone know where to find a man package? | 04:15 |
| jX | down on the docks | 04:16 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 04:16 |
| * SpeedEvil was wondering about that the other night. | 04:17 | |
| SpeedEvil | about what options stupid busybox tar supported | 04:17 |
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| * SpeedEvil wants a nukebusybox package | 04:17 | |
| SpeedEvil | bash/findutils/... | 04:17 |
| el_zilcho | oh well, it was worth a shot | 04:18 |
| el_zilcho | a friend and i have found that upon installing certain packages, we have no clue what the associated commands are... no one specific package though | 04:19 |
| pupnik | something broken on package 'heimdal' | 04:21 |
| pupnik | Warning: Unknown: Failed to write session data (memcache). Please verify that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (tcp://maemovm4.dmz:11211) in Unknown on line 0 | 04:21 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/packages/view/heimdal/ | 04:21 |
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| cehteh | so rsync backup, with important files under git .. should be fine now :) | 04:23 |
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| cehteh | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# du -a / | sort -rn | head -80 | 04:24 |
| cehteh | ... lets see if the device survives that :P | 04:24 |
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| cehteh | wow .. was even fast | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | The device is sruprisingly capable. | 04:27 |
| cehteh | unless the watchdog disagrees | 04:28 |
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| jebba | ya, i rsync the entire device and it rips thru it pretty quick | 04:46 |
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| cehteh | arrg reboot again | 04:56 |
| cehteh | just listening music and doing nothing else on the device | 04:56 |
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| cehteh | uhm sw_rst .. wtf ... | 04:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | never been an issue for me | 05:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | only unexpected reboots have been due to user error | 05:01 |
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| cehteh | maybe i send this device back, i have another one ordered | 05:04 |
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| cehteh | i wanted to cancel the other order, but well the newer one will likely be a better hardware revision | 05:05 |
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| Mika_i | joo vaan matkaan. palataan huomenna ellet ole keissä | 05:31 |
| Mika_i | ups sorry | 05:31 |
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| dmj7261 | cehteh: I hope you end up with a non-borked device. | 05:46 |
| cehteh | dmj7261: well yes i maybe just send it back | 05:46 |
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| cehteh | its from this amazon warehouse deals .. but they have still a 30 day return warranty | 05:47 |
| dmj7261 | I'm happy that mine isn't having such troubles. | 05:47 |
| cehteh | i thought it stopped after reflashing, but seems to return | 05:47 |
| dmj7261 | I think a lot of these troubles have some hardware aspect to them. | 05:48 |
| cehteh | well i can send it back and wait a little more for a new device, first i only wanted one for review and to take a mold for my case project | 05:48 |
| dmj7261 | Just my guess though. | 05:48 |
| cehteh | yeah i have some doubts that a software fix will be very good | 05:48 |
| dmj7261 | Yeah, I really like mine despite all the complaining I do about aspects that I dislike. | 05:49 |
| cehteh | i expect there will be something alike "if hardware revision < xxx then disable feature bar" | 05:49 |
| cehteh | like currently there is a workaround proposed by some people to disable some power management | 05:49 |
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| cehteh | if nokia slips that silently in for first batch devices to make them stable that would be sad | 05:50 |
| dmj7261 | Strangely enough, my mom liked mine so much she got herself one. | 05:50 |
| cehteh | hehe | 05:50 |
| cehteh | you seen my case? | 05:50 |
| dmj7261 | No | 05:50 |
| dmj7261 | Link? | 05:50 |
| cehteh | http://lumiera.org/n900_case1.jpg | 05:50 |
| cehteh | and until case4.jpg | 05:51 |
| cehteh | that was just a try, next days i build a better one from the things i learned from the first attempt | 05:51 |
| dmj7261 | That does look nice | 05:51 |
| dmj7261 | I'm currently thinking of making a case. | 05:51 |
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| cehteh | i have the molds for vacuforming the shells now :) | 05:52 |
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| dmj7261 | I take it you don't use the hardware keyboard much? | 05:52 |
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| cehteh | oh well i have no idea how to build a shell which is rugged and provides access to the keyboard .. but i just take it out when i need the keyboard | 05:53 |
| cehteh | i wanted access to the sockets and loudspeakers .. so you cant get all | 05:53 |
| dmj7261 | I have seen some on ebay that do. | 05:53 |
| cehteh | well i doubt their ruggedness | 05:54 |
| dmj7261 | That's true. I haven't used them personally. | 05:54 |
| cehteh | i have no doubts that mine will now endure even bad crashes | 05:54 |
| dmj7261 | While I'm looking around at cases, I've just been storing it in a garmin gps case and removing it when I want to use it. | 05:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a crappy clear case from ebay | 05:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | which mostly works after some sandpapering | 05:55 |
| SpeedEvil | two parts which clip onto the phone | 05:56 |
| cehteh | i want to make another watertight clear case around the current one.. with bikemount | 05:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Pity you can't boost the brightnes of the LEDs | 05:57 |
| SpeedEvil | to make it easily sunlight readable that is | 05:58 |
| cehteh | which ones? display? flash? | 05:58 |
| cehteh | ah | 05:58 |
| cehteh | for sunlight readable i rather want a black on white theme | 05:58 |
| SpeedEvil | flash LEDs as bike light - lol. | 05:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Doesn't work so well. | 05:58 |
| dmj7261 | you tried it? | 05:59 |
| cehteh | well its a transreflexible display .. but you need a lot bright/white dots to let light in | 05:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Ot's not useless - but when you're not hand-holding it, it is somewhat debatable. | 05:59 |
| Arkenoi | yep, b/w theme would be nice, i had one on s60 | 05:59 |
| dmj7261 | You need a mounting bracket for attaching n900s to bikes | 06:00 |
| cehteh | open a (white) xterm and turn brightness down, cover the brightness sensor and shine with a bright lamp on it | 06:00 |
| cehteh | thats reasonable readable then (not great, but better than the black theme) | 06:00 |
| SpeedEvil | no need | 06:01 |
| SpeedEvil | look for the *brightness node in /sys and eco 0 to it to turn off | 06:01 |
| cehteh | or that | 06:01 |
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| cehteh | well having it completely turned off and readable would be noce | 06:02 |
| dmj7261 | What would be a great idea is a back comer that allows you to mount regular camera lenses. | 06:04 |
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| cehteh | cat /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/cabc_available_modes | 06:05 |
| cehteh | off ui still-image moving-image | 06:05 |
| cehteh | mhm | 06:05 |
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| cehteh | dmj7261: lol | 06:05 |
| user_ | nice find | 06:06 |
| go1dfish | interesting | 06:07 |
| go1dfish | wonder if that is what the 'power saving mode' option on the display is? | 06:07 |
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| AakashPatel | Are there any existing projects going on to port android ot the n900? | 06:08 |
| svanheulen | good evening | 06:09 |
| greenfly | AakashPatel: why would you want to do that? android seems inferior other than the head start in apps | 06:10 |
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| greenfly | (half of which are just to make up for a limited web browsing experience) | 06:10 |
| AakashPatel | greenfly: idk, just seem like it would be cool | 06:10 |
| AakashPatel | (and yea the apps thing also) | 06:10 |
| svanheulen | anyone know how to get the good old normal terminal ftp utily on the n900? all i see in the repositories are gui ftp clients | 06:12 |
| svanheulen | never tried android... limited web browsing? does it not use chrome?! | 06:14 |
| go1dfish | I think by limited web browsing he means not blessed by adobe to support their unholy POS of a web plugin | 06:15 |
| svanheulen | so i'm not the only one that thinks flash should burn in hell... nice :) | 06:16 |
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| cehteh | http://www.natisbad.org/N900/n900-commented-hardware-specs.html .. nice page | 06:18 |
| svanheulen | bah, no one's responding on maemo-devel. is there a package to get gcc on the n900? | 06:18 |
| user_ | svanheulen i compiled lftp and put it on tmo | 06:18 |
| cehteh | svanheulen: apt-get install gcc ... extras-devel repositroy | 06:19 |
| cehteh | oh not, only on scratchbox? | 06:19 |
| svanheulen | lol wut... i tried that, said gcc didn't exsist | 06:19 |
| AakashPatel | it doesnt use chrome | 06:20 |
| cehteh | well compile gcc then and make a package :P | 06:20 |
| AakashPatel | its WebKit based | 06:20 |
| AakashPatel | (android browser0 | 06:20 |
| Arkenoi | cehteh, scratchbox only, sou you should probably optify it before installing | 06:20 |
| cehteh | but why do you want that? .. fry your cpu? | 06:20 |
| cehteh | yeah | 06:20 |
| AakashPatel | what do you guys mean when you say "optify" | 06:20 |
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| svanheulen | well i don't plan on compiling gnome on n900 or anything, haha | 06:21 |
| user_ | AakashPatel: saving space on root partition | 06:21 |
| svanheulen | just for my own code | 06:21 |
| AakashPatel | Oh, sticking stuff in /opt? | 06:21 |
| svanheulen | also, chrome is webkit based too | 06:22 |
| AakashPatel | i thought it was V8 | 06:24 |
| AakashPatel | or whatever | 06:24 |
| * Arkenoi is thinking on removing unused i18n packages from the device, there are many | 06:24 | |
| svanheulen | v8 is the javascript engine i think | 06:24 |
| AakashPatel | oh yeah | 06:25 |
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| go1dfish | yes v8 is the javascript engine | 06:34 |
| go1dfish | uses webkit for rendering | 06:34 |
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| Arkenoi | according to http://www.natisbad.org/N900/n900-commented-hardware-specs.html there is IR _receiver_ as well? | 06:41 |
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| kamui2 | jesus | 06:42 |
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| user_ | thanks arkenoi | 06:44 |
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| AakashPatel | Okay, is there a way to import all the contact at once, that i exported using the "export" button? | 06:47 |
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| dmj7261 | arkenoi: that site has an error | 06:51 |
| dmj7261 | it does come with a usb to microusb cable | 06:51 |
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| gandhii | still trying to get my head wrapped around this optify thing.. why not just enlarge the root partition? | 06:53 |
| dmj7261 | because it's as big as it can be | 06:53 |
| dmj7261 | It's on a physical 256 MB drive | 06:53 |
| dmj7261 | not the 32GB one | 06:54 |
| user_ | http://maemo.org/packages/view/toppler/ should have info on package status and voting | 06:56 |
| gandhii | thought that might be the case. where exactly can I find documentation on the specifics of what is where? | 06:56 |
| gandhii | and is it only /opt that is put on another partition? how about /usr and /etc? | 06:58 |
| user_ | also the sort order for testing packages is a mystery. i really hope the server upgrades go well | 06:58 |
| dmj7261 | Your home folder is on the 32 gb as well | 06:58 |
| user_ | and we need to thank yhe webguys for all the work | 06:58 |
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| * cehteh rarely installs linux on a root partition bigger than 256mb (well less than 1GB for sure) | 07:05 | |
| cehteh | even for desktops and servers | 07:05 |
| kamui2 | has anyone announced working on porting blender to the N900 | 07:05 |
| cehteh | lol# | 07:05 |
| dmj7261 | I wouldn't mind a port of 2.5, but I don't know if anyone is. | 07:06 |
| dmj7261 | kamui2: you interested? | 07:06 |
| kamui2 | yea | 07:06 |
| gandhii | where do I'll second the blender port thing | 07:06 |
| kamui2 | I was asking before duplicating someones effort | 07:06 |
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| kamui2 | didn't see anything really on the maemo.org site either | 07:06 |
| dmj7261 | Please port 2.5 series not 2.4x | 07:06 |
| kamui2 | well, here goes, Ill start tonight | 07:07 |
| dmj7261 | hooray! | 07:07 |
| dmj7261 | You know there was someone who did this for winmo | 07:07 |
| kamui2 | yea | 07:07 |
| kamui2 | blenderce | 07:07 |
| kamui2 | I used to use it all the tie on my EXec | 07:08 |
| kamui2 | concept work, and dicking around during class | 07:08 |
| gandhii | I'm going to guess that it would be alot easier to port to maemo than winmo ;] | 07:08 |
| cehteh | it really doesnt matter how much power a mobile device has .. you always find people who will satuate it | 07:08 |
| kamui2 | it was a real hassle to use, and the resolution was ridiculously low if you didn't have a vga device | 07:08 |
| kamui2 | I tried using it later on the tilt | 07:08 |
| dmj7261 | I found that 2.5 looked usable (with stylus) at 800x480 on my desktop. | 07:08 |
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| AakashPatel | screenshots is Ctrl+P right? | 07:08 |
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| kamui2 | well, of course 2.5 is only available in svn :) | 07:09 |
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| kamui2 | anyway, im on it, lets see what I can pull off | 07:09 |
| AakashPatel | on ctrl sht p | 07:09 |
| dmj7261 | http://imagebin.org/77910 | 07:10 |
| AakashPatel | shft* | 07:10 |
| gandhii | awesome.. I'll be keeping an eye on it | 07:10 |
| dmj7261 | that's blender 2.5 at wvga | 07:10 |
| cehteh | well .. still looks cramped | 07:11 |
| cehteh | dunno for what you want to use it :P | 07:11 |
| kamui2 | is that 2.5? | 07:12 |
| gandhii | yea.. but looks pretty usable compared to the winmo version.. and any of those panels are easy to full screen | 07:12 |
| dmj7261 | I'm viewing the pic now on my n900, and it looks like it would be usable with stylus | 07:12 |
| kamui2 | much better than 2.4 | 07:12 |
| kamui2 | chanbge of the default interface layout? | 07:12 |
| dmj7261 | far better than the winmo screenshots seemed | 07:12 |
| kamui2 | haven't even used 2.5 yet, justgrabbed it | 07:12 |
| dmj7261 | That's default 2.5 | 07:12 |
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| dmj7261 | It's a lot nicer than 2.4 when it comes to the ui | 07:12 |
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| gandhii | just now dl'ed and running it for the first time too. Looks like it will require some relearning.. but looks good so far | 07:18 |
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| user_ | nice. winxp reinstall nuked bigbox part table | 07:24 |
| user_ | always good to refresh the rescue skills | 07:24 |
| user_ | thanks bill | 07:24 |
| kamui2 | confirmation | 07:24 |
| kamui2 | GL/glu.h is provided by mesa right | 07:24 |
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| user_ | mesa provides glu.h | 07:25 |
| user_ | not the other way around | 07:25 |
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| kamui2 | ok, so what did I say that was different | 07:25 |
| user_ | glu.h could come from another sourxe | 07:26 |
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| kamui2 | great, anyway thats a big help, I was 99% sure but I wanted to verify before wasting time trying to build mesa | 07:27 |
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| user_ | no dont | 07:27 |
| user_ | google a bit | 07:27 |
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| svanheulen | i don't see any way of recording video on the n900 out of the box, or any way of using the front camera. am i missing something? | 07:28 |
| kamui2 | the only app that uses the front camera that I've seen is mirror | 07:29 |
| kamui2 | to record video using the normal cam, just run the camera app | 07:29 |
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| kamui2 | and change the mode from auto image to auto video | 07:29 |
| kamui2 | if you haven't tweaked the camera app at all, it will be the box with the A in it | 07:29 |
| svanheulen | cool, thanks | 07:29 |
| svanheulen | also, is there any way to do video calls with skype? | 07:30 |
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| kamui2 | naah | 07:30 |
| kamui2 | not yet | 07:30 |
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| kamui2 | afaik | 07:30 |
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| svanheulen | dang | 07:30 |
| kamui2 | on a positive side note, skype calls are relatively low latency even over edge :) | 07:30 |
| user_ | what would you pay for skype video capability? | 07:31 |
| svanheulen | yeah, i've tried it a few times and it sounded better then a normal call, haha | 07:31 |
| svanheulen | wait, you have to pay to get video with skype? i did not know that... just created an account last week | 07:31 |
| svanheulen | or you mean i pay you to make it happen? | 07:32 |
| svanheulen | haha | 07:32 |
| user_ | no just wondering | 07:32 |
| svanheulen | meh, i don't think i'd use it much. i was just curious if it was possible | 07:33 |
| user_ | if i were skype i would try to sell it as an addon | 07:33 |
| user_ | through ovi maybe | 07:33 |
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| cehteh | nokia tells 'skype coming soon' still .. that prolly means a client with video capability | 07:34 |
| cehteh | first they have to fix the frontcam anyways | 07:34 |
| svanheulen | cool | 07:34 |
| kamui2 | this is gonna take a while | 07:34 |
| kamui2 | my scratchbox has a shitload of updates | 07:34 |
| RST38h | centeh: You are overlooking one more possibility | 07:35 |
| RST38h | centeh: That Nokia's left hand does not know what Nokia's right hand is doing | 07:35 |
| RST38h | I.e. Maemo Select marketing people simply do not know that Skype is already bundled with the device | 07:35 |
| cehteh | i dont care, i dont need video capability | 07:35 |
| cehteh | RST38h: looks like they dont even know that the device is in production already :) | 07:36 |
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| user_ | how about a free service that lets two n900s initiate private p2p video | 07:36 |
| cehteh | sip? | 07:37 |
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| cehteh | i was thinking about installing a sip server/proxy on my server machine | 07:37 |
| user_ | no idea. i just see the std video streaming witn mencoder /gstreamer | 07:37 |
| cehteh | there is SIP :P | 07:37 |
| cehteh | the n900 supports sip .. its an open standard | 07:38 |
| go1dfish | unlike skype | 07:38 |
| cehteh | yeah, i'd like to use sip more, but really skype has some services you cant do with just a open project | 07:38 |
| cehteh | calling landlines, doing stuff only carriers can do | 07:39 |
| kamui2 | why can't skype do that | 07:39 |
| user_ | i was hoping for a non evil alternative for the near future | 07:39 |
| cehteh | i saied sip | 07:39 |
| kamui2 | oh | 07:39 |
| kamui2 | pardon | 07:39 |
| go1dfish | cehteh: sure you can | 07:39 |
| go1dfish | you can do all that with sip | 07:39 |
| cehteh | well it will cost someones money | 07:39 |
| go1dfish | you cant do it completely for free as in beer | 07:40 |
| cehteh | yes but then again you need some service provider like skype | 07:40 |
| go1dfish | but you can certainly do it with open protocols | 07:40 |
| user_ | why | 07:40 |
| cehteh | well you cant do it (at least not easily) in a community effort | 07:40 |
| go1dfish | like gizmo (now owned by google) | 07:40 |
| user_ | i kust need an ip and a connection thru a firewall to my friend | 07:40 |
| go1dfish | used to be called sipphone | 07:40 |
| cehteh | sip is capable of a lot and more things | 07:40 |
| go1dfish | all sip/jabber based | 07:41 |
| cehteh | but the thing is that you need the infrastructure to interfaces the technologies | 07:41 |
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| cehteh | that needs money | 07:41 |
| user_ | i want no service provider and no central point of control or spying | 07:41 |
| kamui2 | thats the only really must have missing feature of conversations | 07:41 |
| kamui2 | and the IM plugins | 07:41 |
| kamui2 | no way to transfer images/files | 07:41 |
| cehteh | user_: if you only want to talk over the internet then use sip | 07:41 |
| kamui2 | cehteh over skype? | 07:42 |
| kamui2 | seems cheaper to use skype for that | 07:42 |
| kamui2 | and its less problematic than sip | 07:42 |
| cehteh | eh? | 07:42 |
| go1dfish | user_: then you cant use traditional phone networks/numbers at all | 07:42 |
| RST38h | (mental note: change default nick in XChat from user/user_/user__ to iamstupid/really_stupid/idiots) | 07:42 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 07:42 | |
| user_ | this nick rules btw | 07:42 |
| cehteh | RST38h: well i like that :) last time i was user_ from my bathtub :P | 07:42 |
| kamui2 | N900 in the tub!?! | 07:43 |
| kamui2 | nice | 07:43 |
| kamui2 | I didn't get a lanyard, and im oto chicken to risk it | 07:43 |
| go1dfish | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_protocol#Obfuscation_Layer | 07:43 |
| cehteh | mhm where does one announce mameo projects and gather devs? talk.mamemo.org looks more like a users place | 07:44 |
| go1dfish | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_protocol#Legal_Issues | 07:44 |
| cehteh | ml? i am not subscribed | 07:44 |
| cehteh | kamui: put it in a zip bag .. listening music, well and chatted a bit | 07:44 |
| go1dfish | no thanks, your stuck with whatever client they feel inclined to bless your platform with | 07:44 |
| go1dfish | dont like it? tough shit | 07:45 |
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| Arkenoi | shit. the media player hiccups every 20 minutes or so, seems that *something* wakes up in the phone. shoudn't it be reniced by default to higher priority? | 07:50 |
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| user_ | how do you know the hiccup is in userspace | 07:52 |
| cehteh | http://git.pipapo.org/?p=profiled;a=blob;f=profiled.lua;h=44cd2ec293e4b056a2d058052f2012403772a5c8;hb=3ea0c1fe9bde819c9a1f125442ebcaf39331cea0 | 08:00 |
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| cehteh | .. anyone want to help with such a project? | 08:00 |
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| kamui2 | had to build a dependency, libdrm | 08:03 |
| kamui2 | however, pkg-config will only point to the old version | 08:03 |
| Arkenoi | user: just a guess. i am not sure :-( | 08:04 |
| kamui2 | I relinked the library, and updated the ld.so.conf as needed | 08:04 |
| kamui2 | ldconfig and tryed to reconfigure | 08:04 |
| kamui2 | what am I screwing up here | 08:04 |
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| hrw|gone | my SDK image has hildon-desktop without 'More...' button now | 08:10 |
| hrw|gone | thx nokia | 08:10 |
| cehteh | well 'less' isnt installable either .. grr :P | 08:12 |
| hrw|gone | where I can fine sources of gtk+ 2:2.14.7-1maemo15 (or newer)? | 08:15 |
| user_ | i google fremantle pool src (pkgname) | 08:17 |
| user_ | iirc | 08:17 |
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| hrw|gone | only maemo12 is in repository | 08:20 |
| user_ | what depends on it hrw? | 08:20 |
| hrw|gone | newer hildon-desktop | 08:21 |
| kamui2 | finally | 08:21 |
| kamui2 | mesa is building in the scratchbox | 08:21 |
| user_ | hre the hildon-desktop should have a maintainer email for the person who knows the answer | 08:22 |
| Arkenoi | tmo down? | 08:23 |
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| aspidites | has anyone come across any decent (hildonized) Qt examples | 08:25 |
| aspidites | i'm technically using python bindings but at this point I'll settle for Qt examples. The examples in the source seem to be lacking (no stackable windows, etc) | 08:26 |
| Arkenoi | looks like Qt applications usually take about 2 seconds to start (while there are gtk ones that start in a blink of eye), or did i just pick wrong ones? | 08:28 |
| hrw|gone | aspidites: http://gitorious.org/qt-module-player/qt-module-player | 08:28 |
| hrw|gone | bye | 08:28 |
| user_ | ebay.de lists N810 as a smartphone | 08:28 |
| aspidites | thanks hrw|gone i'll check that out | 08:30 |
| hrw|gone | aspidites: thats my tool - you can catch me on monday if have questions | 08:31 |
| aspidites | hrw|gone: i noticed the name :-P | 08:32 |
| aspidites | any special set up you used with designer? | 08:33 |
| hrw|gone | none | 08:33 |
| * hrw|gone -> off | 08:33 | |
| aspidites | k, i'll try to stop by on mon. if i have questions | 08:34 |
| kamui2 | who's familiar with mesa | 08:37 |
| kamui2 | im only building the swrast driver | 08:38 |
| kamui2 | thats software rendering only? | 08:38 |
| villager | sounds like it | 08:40 |
| kamui2 | yea, I vaguely remember a recent change to mesa | 08:40 |
| kamui2 | where the old software render was replaced by a new one, I believe swrast was the new | 08:40 |
| aspidites | exit | 08:43 |
| aspidites | er... | 08:43 |
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| kamui2 | shit | 09:32 |
| kamui2 | I probaby should have not build the blender game engine | 09:32 |
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| pwnguin | on the phone? | 09:33 |
| kamui2 | im building it in the sandbox at the moment | 09:33 |
| DangerMaus | hohum | 09:35 |
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| kamui2 | I have an app im trying to build that requires Phython.h | 10:14 |
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| kamui2 | which I was sure was already in maemo | 10:14 |
| kamui2 | so I grabbed the maemo python source and rebuilt it | 10:15 |
| kamui2 | the Make still cna't find the .h file | 10:15 |
| kamui2 | but its sitting in /scratchbox/include/python2.5 | 10:15 |
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| dmj7261 | phython.h? | 10:26 |
| tps_ | Hello, is there a big drawback in using python(PyQt, PySide) for maemo compared to using C++/Qt? | 10:27 |
| kamui2 | yea | 10:27 |
| kamui2 | im really close to finishing the blender port | 10:27 |
| kamui2 | im on the apps core now | 10:28 |
| dmj7261 | p*h*thon? | 10:28 |
| kamui2 | apparently my sandbox is a bit hosed | 10:28 |
| kamui2 | I need to install Python-dev | 10:28 |
| kamui2 | but it wont let me | 10:28 |
| kamui2 | my libs are too new, and those headers are too old | 10:28 |
| kamui2 | im gonna try the testing and devel repos | 10:28 |
| tps_ | what is the major drawback? Speed? If yes, how bad is it? | 10:28 |
| dmj7261 | where is the header you're looking for? I don't see a /scratchbox/include | 10:30 |
| kamui2 | on my system after downloading the source for python its in /scratchbox/include/Python2.5/Python.h | 10:31 |
| dmj7261 | oh, I didn't download the python source on my scratchbox, just the python 2.5 packages | 10:32 |
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| lucent | SpeedEvil: "kerryboard" is like an Ouiji board, but instead for communicating with John Kerry's presidential election campaign | 10:35 |
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| dmj7261 | so how did you get python there again? | 10:38 |
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| kamui2 | its not working | 10:39 |
| kamui2 | but apt-get source Phython2.5 | 10:39 |
| kamui2 | then I build it | 10:39 |
| kamui2 | built | 10:40 |
| kamui2 | make, then make install | 10:40 |
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| kamui2 | anyway, Im going to bed, I almost had blender working in only a few hours | 10:40 |
| kamui2 | but Im tired. see you guys tomorrow | 10:40 |
| dmj7261 | why do you havd an h in there? | 10:40 |
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| lucent | lisp? | 10:41 |
| lucent | ba-dum-dum rimshot | 10:41 |
| lucent | language jokes. | 10:41 |
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| pupnik | is there some easy way to add a diablo armel target to the new sdk? | 10:57 |
| cehteh | i guess adding a new bootstrap ... | 10:59 |
| lucent | what is "diablo", I've heard it several times and did not find a succinct description on tmo | 11:00 |
| pupnik | codename for older maemo release | 11:00 |
| lucent | thanks | 11:00 |
| pupnik | n800, n8q0 | 11:00 |
| pupnik | 810 | 11:00 |
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| pupnik | or do real devs just use autobuilder to create those packages | 11:01 |
| pupnik | ... expiring minds waht to know | 11:02 |
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| tigert | heh | 11:02 |
| tigert | easy to spot tablet users by typos ;) | 11:03 |
| cehteh | hehe | 11:03 |
| tigert | good morning from the dentist waiting room btw ;) | 11:04 |
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| lucent | tigert: too much teeth grinding, waiting for Ovi Store to open for N900? | 11:07 |
| tstaerk | damn... ARMEL means ARM, endian, little, right? | 11:07 |
| lucent | just a guess.... | 11:07 |
| lucent | nah | 11:07 |
| lucent | ARMEL is ARM + EABI | 11:07 |
| tstaerk | ok, what is EABI? | 11:07 |
| lucent | well it might mean ARM,endian,little but I don't think so | 11:07 |
| tigert | lucent: hehe | 11:08 |
| lucent | EABI is the binary interface between code | 11:08 |
| lucent | I don't know a lot about it | 11:08 |
| lucent | there was an older non-EABI Application Binary Interface and it was considered annoying | 11:08 |
| lucent | the EABI only is possible with new versions of GCC since a few eyears ago | 11:08 |
| * lucent grins at the etypo | 11:09 | |
| lucent | elol | 11:09 |
| tstaerk | ok, thanks | 11:09 |
| tigert | lucent: /me spotted an ad for a drink today at the tram stop | 11:10 |
| tigert | it was called "LOL" | 11:10 |
| * lucent facepalms | 11:10 | |
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| tigert | a teen shot thingy | 11:10 |
| lucent | shoot the teens, great idea. | 11:11 |
| lucent | not what you said, it's what you said. | 11:11 |
| * lucent :) | 11:11 | |
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| tigert | http://www.lolshots.com/ < and tghey likely expect people to paste the link just like this :P | 11:12 |
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| * RST38h only understood "Jatka" | 11:13 | |
| tigert | its a .fi site | 11:13 |
| lucent | tigert: how do I use their product? Am I supposed to vomit *before* or *after* drinking it? | 11:13 |
| RST38h | The rest completely missed this target | 11:13 |
| tigert | lucent: after you piss but before you vomit? | 11:13 |
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| tigert | oh well | 11:14 |
| lucent | I think this is an Idea that I will really hate if it is a success | 11:14 |
| mza | anyone know of something similar to knots2? | 11:15 |
| mza | the web front end portion | 11:15 |
| * RST38h wants an applet for switching xkb layouts | 11:15 | |
| lucent | like zippered hip pouches tourists wear and colored "show your support" rubber bracelets | 11:15 |
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| tigert | someone should hack a ovi store applet | 11:18 |
| tigert | "is it there yet?" "no." | 11:18 |
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| tigert | "yes!" | 11:18 |
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| RST38h | Someone should come up with a real use for Ovi Store first. | 11:19 |
| lucent | yeah I wish Nokia would say officially "Chill bitches, we're workin' our pimp game. Don't hate the player, hate the game." | 11:19 |
| RST38h | Preferably before it follows Nokia Download, NGage, etc | 11:19 |
| tigert | :) | 11:19 |
| frals | RST38h: awesome new version of xchat! | 11:22 |
| tigert | hmm | 11:23 |
| tigert | qtify | 11:23 |
| tigert | has someone tried, does it work ok? | 11:23 |
| tigert | i dont have spotify premium | 11:23 |
| tigert | so i cannot test | 11:24 |
| KamuiN900 | new xchat is great | 11:25 |
| KamuiN900 | saves prefs now no crash | 11:25 |
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| KamuiN900 | pidgin is also great | 11:26 |
| KamuiN900 | pidgin > conversations plus plugins | 11:26 |
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| pupnik | thanks to marat KamuiN900 | 11:34 |
| cehteh | KamuiN900: oh ... nice | 11:36 |
| pupnik | can apt-get update spit-out a list of NEW packages? | 11:37 |
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| user_ | \o/ default nicks rule | 11:39 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:42 |
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| tigert | hm | 11:43 |
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| tigert | vagalume has libre.fm stuff on config | 11:43 |
| tigert | but i get last.fm error messages | 11:43 |
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| Stskeeps | tigert: i recall something about needing to set a config as last.fm API isn't happy about streaming to cellphones | 11:47 |
| tigert | hmm | 11:47 |
| tigert | this isnt last.fm | 11:47 |
| tigert | libre.fm | 11:47 |
| tigert | it works now | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:47 |
| tigert | but maybe the whole app is not fixed yet :) | 11:48 |
| tigert | but | 11:48 |
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| tigert | now I have this other issue | 11:48 |
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| tigert | that seems to haunt all community music appsä | 11:48 |
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| tigert | they dont play with profile on silent | 11:48 |
| tigert | mediaplayer plays ok though | 11:48 |
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| * tigert wonderd why | 11:48 | |
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| tigert | s/rd/rs/ | 11:49 |
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| pupnik | pulseaudio has application profiles and some way to register which you want | 11:49 |
| tigert | yeh | 11:49 |
| tigert | this is sucky | 11:50 |
| pupnik | more /etc/pulse/xpolicy.conf | 11:50 |
| pupnik | and other files | 11:50 |
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| pupnik | no it s great. just need to learn how to use it | 11:51 |
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| tigert | yeah | 11:52 |
| ceh900 | so hopefully th lasrt restart | 11:52 |
| tigert | no no i mean | 11:52 |
| tigert | the fact that tmost apps dont set this sucks | 11:53 |
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| * cehteh still searches for help implementing his automatic profile switcher .. bit unrelated to pulseaudio, but still | 11:55 | |
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| tigert | ceh900: based on the location framework? | 11:58 |
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| cehteh | tigert: using all kinds of sources for input and all kinds of actions to change things | 12:03 |
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| tigertX | hmm | 12:04 |
| tigertX | yeah, this is way nicer | 12:04 |
| tigertX | though the default color palette is horrid :) | 12:04 |
| cehteh | http://git.pipapo.org/?p=profiled;a=blob;f=profiled.lua; | 12:05 |
| cehteh | hacked some ideas/brainstorming together in lua | 12:05 |
| cehteh | hehe | 12:05 |
| * cehteh just had a reconnect | 12:06 | |
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| cehteh | tigert: i just want some intuitive way to configure certain (many) aspects of the device .. | 12:07 |
| tigert | yep | 12:08 |
| cehteh | for example if it lays face down at night then it can shutdowen celluar | 12:08 |
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| Stskeeps | happy newyears, wazd_e63 | 12:08 |
| cehteh | or if not at home it should prefer to secure the device earlier | 12:09 |
| tigert | i wish libre.fm could filter out the sucky indie music :) | 12:09 |
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| * tigert didnt especially enjoy the artist "Jimmy the Hideous Penguin" more than a few beats | 12:09 | |
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| cehteh | :) | 12:10 |
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| tigert | i have a synth too! gee, it makes funky effects! | 12:11 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 12:11 |
| RST38h | tigert: it plays Jimmy to all the open source people! | 12:11 |
| tigert | yea! | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Seriously though, I want last.fm back. Libre.fm is just some useless Last.fm wannabe site. | 12:12 |
| * cehteh listens radio paradise .. but well i need something new :P | 12:12 | |
| tigert | somafm works nicer for me so far | 12:12 |
| cehteh | hehe try this russian 16bit station :) | 12:13 |
| cehteh | (from the default playlist) | 12:13 |
| tigert | all these free music sites are a nice idea | 12:13 |
| tigert | but if the music sucks its no fun :) | 12:13 |
| cehteh | there is always a off button | 12:13 |
| tigert | cehteh: where? | 12:13 |
| cehteh | top of the device in the middle, just press it long enough | 12:14 |
| tigert | trying vagalume, just tag radio seems to work | 12:14 |
| frals | anyone heard anything about python-abook bindings? there are tutorials up on pymaemo garage site but i seem to be unable to find the actual bindings :P | 12:15 |
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| BluesLee | is there a navit port on the n900 available? | 12:17 |
| BluesLee | ovi takes too long to fire up | 12:17 |
| cehteh | jep ovi is the worst of all mapping apps | 12:17 |
| BluesLee | maemo mapper confuses me when downloading maps, sqlite db doesnt seem too work | 12:17 |
| cehteh | do you need maps or routing? | 12:18 |
| cehteh | yeah i hope that will be fixed soon | 12:18 |
| BluesLee | i need maps cehteh | 12:18 |
| cehteh | otherwise maemo mapper looks great | 12:18 |
| BluesLee | a script to download maps on the pc for osm would be enough | 12:18 |
| cehteh | there are a lot more mapping apps | 12:18 |
| cehteh | mostly in testing or elsewhere | 12:19 |
| cehteh | osm2go, maep, ... | 12:19 |
| BluesLee | osm2go is an editor | 12:19 |
| * cehteh would like to see someone porting viking to maemo | 12:19 | |
| cehteh | maybe i should try just to compile it | 12:19 |
| BluesLee | there is qlandkarte | 12:20 |
| BluesLee | but i dislike that they use all different formats for handling the maps | 12:20 |
| * RST38h will listen to music the old way: dc++/torrent, download a few albums, listen to them in mp3 | 12:20 | |
| BluesLee | i just want to download all of them into a loopable image and mount it to the correct path | 12:20 |
| RST38h | to hell with internet radio | 12:21 |
| cehteh | from all i seen, mameo mapper looks most promising so far | 12:21 |
| RST38h | maep | 12:21 |
| cehteh | RST38h: streamripper :) | 12:21 |
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| RST38h | centeh: too complicated | 12:22 |
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| BluesLee | there was a guy here who was porting navit at least he tried | 12:22 |
| BluesLee | overall, i am happy with the n900 | 12:23 |
| cehteh | configure: error: libgps is needed for Realtime GPS Tracking feature, but not found. The feature can be disable with --disable-realtime-gps-tracking | 12:23 |
| BluesLee | i miss only a few things yet | 12:23 |
| cehteh | damnit | 12:23 |
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| cehteh | ah maep looks nice too, bit simple, but i guess thats a feature | 12:26 |
| BluesLee | cehteh: did you tried fennec on the n900? | 12:26 |
| BluesLee | cehteh: but i need a method to autodownload a lot of maps | 12:26 |
| cehteh | fennec is unuseable imo | 12:27 |
| BluesLee | cehteh: for my freerunner i used tangogps, there was a 386 version with which i downloaded all the maps and then i copied it to the mobile devoce | 12:27 |
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| BluesLee | cehteh: yeah, fennec is much too slow, i was suprised why they released it | 12:28 |
| cehteh | its not really released, still beta | 12:29 |
| cehteh | i hope that there are a lot assertions and other slowdowns enabled and a release will be much faster, else this will be a fail | 12:29 |
| cehteh | i am happy with microb .. and tear looks also nice | 12:30 |
| BluesLee | tear? | 12:30 |
| melmoth | A possible workaround for donwling maemomapp on a pc is ...to use the sdk | 12:30 |
| melmoth | just compile maemomapper there, and ask ti to download a huge area, go to sleep. The day after, you got your repository | 12:30 |
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| tigert | fennec lacks the networking hildon api | 12:31 |
| tigert | so it doesnt ask you to connect to network | 12:31 |
| BluesLee | melmoth: is there no script to do that? | 12:31 |
| tigert | which is annoying too | 12:31 |
| melmoth | not that i am aware of. | 12:31 |
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| BluesLee | tear is the default browser on mer, right? | 12:31 |
| lardman | morning all | 12:31 |
| tigert | there was some map downloading tool | 12:32 |
| BluesLee | hi lardman | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | BluesLee: yeah, might switch to midori but we'll se | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | e | 12:32 |
| RST38h | tigert: which is probably the least annoying thing about fennec | 12:32 |
| tigert | i just dont remember more, but i remember seeing something like that | 12:32 |
| tigert | RST38h: its become slightly better, | 12:32 |
| tigert | but missing interactions are worst | 12:32 |
| RST38h | just a little bit...no longer flashes the screen on startup | 12:32 |
| BluesLee | Stskeeps: i was really suprised taht maemo's midori is much better than on my freerunner | 12:32 |
| RST38h | but it tends to hang for seconds with no indication of activity | 12:33 |
| tigert | yeah | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | BluesLee: well i guess freerunner is old. Tear worked -really well- on freerunner | 12:33 |
| RST38h | and this absolutely drives me nuts | 12:33 |
| tigert | and the kinetic panning drags too much | 12:33 |
| tigert | microb got that pretty good with the touchscreen we have | 12:33 |
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| RST38h | panning in Fennec is ok, very subjective anyway | 12:35 |
| BluesLee | i am also happy with microb, its ore than sufficient for me | 12:36 |
| RST38h | I guess it is all that javascript/xul that is dragging it down though | 12:36 |
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| BluesLee | does someone know something about anki/mnemosynce on n900? | 12:38 |
| BluesLee | i tried yesterday ankiqt, but it misses too many python deps | 12:38 |
| BluesLee | ankimaemi fires up but no interaction is possible for instance opening a file | 12:39 |
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| BluesLee | mnemosyne seems to work out of the box from the repo http://evince.garage.maemo.org/ | 12:59 |
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| ColdFyre | maemo doesn't support more than one application playing sounds at once?(like esd) | 13:04 |
| PaulFertser | ColdFyre: ever heard about pulseaudio or simple alsa dmix? ;) | 13:05 |
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| ColdFyre | yes, but i thought it would be OOTB | 13:08 |
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| frals | omg | 13:13 |
| frals | i just sent an mms from my n900 | 13:13 |
| frals | IM AWESOME | 13:13 |
| frals | \o/ | 13:13 |
| pupnik | maybe browser could mail warning to admin@site "took 25 seconds to load (URL) please fix." | 13:13 |
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| pupnik | legitimate problems arent spam | 13:15 |
| ColdFyre | frals: how? | 13:16 |
| frals | worlds ugliest python hack | 13:16 |
| pupnik | otoh maybe sites will start catering more to mobiles | 13:16 |
| pupnik | pretty cool frals | 13:16 |
| pupnik | proof it is possible at least | 13:16 |
| ColdFyre | haha, did you write the script? | 13:17 |
| frals | ya | 13:17 |
| pupnik | no he did not. his fingers did | 13:17 |
| frals | so now im both receiving and sending MMS on my n900 :] | 13:17 |
| ColdFyre | pastebin it! | 13:17 |
| ColdFyre | is it CLI for sending ? ;) | 13:17 |
| frals | depends on a lot of ugly code | 13:17 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: bug 6416 ... can you ask for the source in your official capacity :) | 13:18 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416 Wifi won't connect until rebooted... | 13:18 |
| arachnist | frals: you are? how? | 13:18 |
| ColdFyre | i jsut moved from android to maemo..lots of different stuff | 13:18 |
| ColdFyre | no ringtnos for each person :( | 13:18 |
| lbt | especially given Alan's comment that it's not in the w51-1 build | 13:18 |
| frals | encoding the mms message binary and then just posting it to my mmsc, was really easy :P | 13:19 |
| lbt | frals: cool... :D -- are you going to do fax next? ;) | 13:20 |
| frals | color fax! ;) | 13:21 |
| ColdFyre | also, maybe i'm tripping, but there are no working themes for download? | 13:23 |
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| joppu | Is it just be, or does telepathy-butterfly cause a significant power drain? So haze is just a wrapper for Pidgin? Is pecan any good? Jabber requires setting up a own server, right? What is the level of battery drain between the last 3 options? | 13:33 |
| arachnist | joppu: you don't need to set up your own jabber server. there are dozens of free ones | 13:37 |
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| arachnist | joppu: even google talk is jabber | 13:37 |
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| joppu | I was talking about MSN | 13:38 |
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| arachnist | joppu: you did ask about jabber. | 13:39 |
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| joppu | I forgot to mention it, I was talking about the MSN transfer on Jabber | 13:39 |
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| joppu | But yeah, does anyone have any battery life experience between butterfly, haze and pecan? | 13:43 |
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| Ceron | is pecan new? | 13:46 |
| Ceron | havent heard of it | 13:46 |
| Ceron | http://felipec.wordpress.com/2009/12/24/msn-pecan-0-1-0-rc2-ready-for-testing-now-with-n900-support/ | 13:49 |
| pupnik | bbl | 13:54 |
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| ifreq | anyone had strange probs after updating msn plugin(under conversations) | 13:58 |
| ifreq | cant find it anymore on accounts.but i can change my availability | 13:58 |
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| ifreq | so cant disable msn acc anymore and see all my contacts offline | 14:01 |
| ifreq | suckage | 14:01 |
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| ifreq | also it seems to add my offline msn friends into contact book | 14:02 |
| ifreq | lots changed, makes me wonder how easily ppl can upload unfinished stuff.into repos | 14:03 |
| joppu | ifreq: I have the same | 14:03 |
| joppu | But I just removed the whole butterfly due to it's huge battery drain | 14:04 |
| joppu | Currently testing the other choices | 14:04 |
| ifreq | yeh going to either fring or pidgin then | 14:06 |
| ifreq | too bad as i liked the conversation integration | 14:06 |
| ifreq | want to buy simple voting app | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | call diebold? | 14:08 |
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| ifreq | hrr | 14:09 |
| ifreq | cant remove msn now from availability list | 14:10 |
| ifreq | :) grr | 14:10 |
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| Ceron | lol samsung bada = just another maemo? | 14:10 |
| Ceron | right | 14:10 |
| joppu | ifreq: why not give haze a try? pecan was nonfunctional for me. | 14:12 |
| joppu | I hate using a seperate application for IM | 14:14 |
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| ifreq | joppu,yeah testing it atm | 14:17 |
| ifreq | also read on many postings buttfly was quite disapointment | 14:17 |
| arachnist | msn is quite a disapointment | 14:24 |
| ifreq | yeah true. not all use irc tho..like parents etc | 14:29 |
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| xorAxAx | cehteh: do you want to start a project for n900? | 14:30 |
| Remosi | Hrm, I read some discussion about MMS requiring two independant internet connections, since a carrier may have two APN's with the same gateway address. There was discussion using iptables and multiple networking stacks, why not use setsockopt(.... SO_BINDTODEVICE ... ) to force the MMS send/receive out a particular APN? | 14:32 |
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| Arkenoi | more detailed power management howto http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39038 <- anyone? | 14:33 |
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| flux | arkenoi, wouldn't those numbers depend also on the quality of network service in your region? | 14:35 |
| flux | arkenoi, but hey, you could measure them and provide a great service :) | 14:35 |
| Arkenoi | flux: really hard to do so ;-) if i only had second n900, it could be easy, but incoming calls and other evreryday needs disrupt my measurement attempts ;-) | 14:39 |
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| DerSaidin | ifreq: bitlbee | 14:40 |
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| joppu | bitlbee requires you to set up a server | 14:44 |
| FIQ | uh | 14:44 |
| FIQ | no, it requires you to connect to it and create an account | 14:45 |
| FIQ | very hard i know | 14:45 |
| FIQ | the hardest part would be inserting it in your autoconnect list | 14:45 |
| joppu | FIQ: if you want to use a public server that is. | 14:46 |
| joppu | Strangely enought, I'd let Microsoft or Google to handle my IM accounts but not some obscure person somewhere hosting the server. | 14:47 |
| Macer | masters of science fiction would be great if they didn't have stephen hawkings throwing quotes into it | 14:47 |
| Macer | it totally ruins the show :) no offense to people with whatever he has that makes it so he has to use the digital voice | 14:48 |
| Macer | but he totally sucks | 14:48 |
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| hrw|n900 | hi | 14:53 |
| joppu | hrw|n900: hello there | 14:53 |
| joppu | damn it the repos aren't updating :/ | 14:53 |
| hrw|n900 | joppu: why they have to? | 14:54 |
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| hrw|n900 | btw... does someone know which version of hildon-desktop is in fw1.1? | 14:57 |
| hrw|n900 | git head does not split applications into two screens - would be nice to have it in | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | two scrreens? | 14:59 |
| RST38h | Macer: Well, he kinda has no choice on this | 15:00 |
| Macer | RST38h: yeah but they had a choice on who they would use for it | 15:01 |
| Macer | and he was not the right choice :) | 15:01 |
| joppu | Can someone try refreshing their appmrg? | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: I'm planning on hooking it up to my scope today to see if I can better measure current. | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: measure consumption of - ideally - every seperate element of the phone. | 15:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | If I can get out of bed. | 15:11 |
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| moo-_- | is microb qt or gtk based? | 15:14 |
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| redeeman | gtk no doubt | 15:15 |
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| Macer | wow | 15:22 |
| Macer | that episode of masters of science fiction was like something straight off the christian channel | 15:22 |
| Macer | haha | 15:22 |
| Hukka | What would be the best encoding for videos on N900? | 15:22 |
| Hukka | On 770 it was necessary to transcode every video, but it seems that quite often the playback is choppy on just some random video file | 15:23 |
| Hukka | +even on N900 | 15:23 |
| Macer | probably because it only has a hw h264 | 15:24 |
| Macer | decoder | 15:24 |
| Hukka | Ah, so h264 then | 15:25 |
| Hukka | Thanks | 15:25 |
| Macer | yeah. best ot just use ffmpeg or something and make it h264+aac | 15:25 |
| Macer | ot/to | 15:25 |
| lcuk | Hukka, if you are already in a transcoding mindset, the lower the rate you can put up with. | 15:27 |
| Hukka | Any recommendations on what is the optimal resolution for the tv out? I mean what is the point that increasing the resolution won't give any better picture on analog tvs | 15:27 |
| lcuk | it will also give better bettery life | 15:27 |
| Hukka | Well, battery is not an issue. I mainly watch movies when stationary | 15:28 |
| frals | worst part about doing quikc and ugly hacks is trying to make them look good and removing all hardcoded values... >_< | 15:28 |
| Hukka | In buses and so on I read | 15:28 |
| lcuk | mmm Hukka dunno, but you are right, i dont use tvout for videos most of the time tho | 15:28 |
| lcuk | frals :) not a problem at all | 15:28 |
| lcuk | your proof of concept is good | 15:28 |
| lcuk | well done! | 15:28 |
| Hukka | It's actually nice, since at my place I use my big TFT-screen for movies directly from desktop, but N900 is the only device I have that can output to my gf's tv :) | 15:29 |
| frals | cheers :) | 15:29 |
| * lcuk will get you a pint at the next summit | 15:29 | |
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| lcuk | what res is this at? | 15:30 |
| lcuk | frals ^ | 15:30 |
| frals | appearently my decode_mms function is too smart, it manages to get everything from the mms i send.. which didnt show up as nicely on a symbian phone :P | 15:30 |
| lcuk | hehe cool | 15:30 |
| lcuk | frals, does that mean that at the moment, the n900 could be said to support "mms+" ... | 15:31 |
| lcuk | :D | 15:31 |
| frals | haha :D | 15:31 |
| Macer | why does stephen hawkings still use dr sbaitso for his voice? | 15:31 |
| lcuk | or rather have a rather rickity bunch of scripts held together with hair clips and chewing gum | 15:31 |
| frals | only handles .jpg and .txt atm thou ;) | 15:31 |
| * lcuk calls u mcguyver | 15:32 | |
| pH5_ | what is the official way for checking whether the keyboard slide is open? | 15:32 |
| RST38h | Anyone can help me finding the place in xkb config where Ctrl+Space is defined? | 15:32 |
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| pH5_ | via hal (/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_slide) or is there something on a higher-level? | 15:32 |
| frals | probably a similiar signal in dbus i *think* | 15:33 |
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| pH5_ | RST38h: rx-51 xkb symbol config says Ctrl+Space is hardcoded in hildon | 15:56 |
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| xorAxAx | is there a way to talk to the gsm "modem"? | 16:03 |
| xorAxAx | in at commands | 16:03 |
| pH5_ | xorAxAx: pnatd | 16:04 |
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| xorAxAx | pH5_: no, i want to talk to the gsm chip | 16:05 |
| xorAxAx | i want to circumvent phonet because it doesnt give me full access | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | where's is the council chair when you need him? | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | s/ is// | 16:07 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: where's the council chair when you need him? | 16:07 |
| lcuk | last i heard he was going to a new years party | 16:08 |
| xorAxAx | hmm, sed test | 16:08 |
| lcuk | hes prolly still strung up somewhere | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 16:08 |
| xorAxAx | s/sed/& / | 16:08 |
| infobot | xorAxAx meant: hmm, & test | 16:08 |
| xorAxAx | argh, damn infobot, wrong | 16:08 |
| lcuk | is it urgent? | 16:08 |
| lcuk | ive got a batphone | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: tmo is one of the main tiers of the community, however it is not managed by the community | 16:08 |
| arachnist | hmm, sed test | 16:08 |
| xorAxAx | pH5_: do you have an idea? | 16:08 |
| arachnist | s/sed/\& / | 16:08 |
| infobot | arachnist meant: hmm, \& test | 16:08 |
| arachnist | s/sed/\0 / | 16:09 |
| infobot | arachnist meant: hmm, \0 test | 16:09 |
| arachnist | hmm | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: there is no reaction when people offer help, and there is even less action when help is required. People like orangebox are ruining perfectly good forums and we need to take action | 16:09 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, orangebox is one troll, hasnt hebeen banned by mods already? | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | no | 16:09 |
| lcuk | i tohught his threads all calmed down | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | because "he's only troubling in off-topic", nobody takes action | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | calmed down? His thread is one of the most active at the moment | 16:10 |
| lcuk | "thread" when people were complaining he had about 20 | 16:10 |
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| crashanddie | doesn't matter, ban the bastard ffs | 16:10 |
| villager | Macer: it's hawking, not hawkings... and his synthetic voice technology and his interface to it was donated to him many years ago, and it's probably never been important to anyone to upgrade it, he probably likes it by now | 16:11 |
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| crashanddie | villager: well, if he says he doesn't like it, they'll take it away -- no more moaning then | 16:11 |
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| villager | that too | 16:12 |
| villager | Hukka: just use the maximum resolution of whatever tv format you're using, I suppose... the tvout is not limited to the device's resolution | 16:14 |
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| Hukka | villager: Do tv formats have a max resolution? They are analog, after all | 16:15 |
| lcuk | yes | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | Hukka: they still have a resolution | 16:15 |
| * Hukka checks wikipedia | 16:16 | |
| villager | Hukka: there's definitely a max vertical resolution... horizontal may depend on the particular tv, remember even old color tv sets used raster mask things | 16:16 |
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| villager | Hukka: but there's typical horizontal resolutions as well | 16:17 |
| Hukka | Hm, so would it be the vertical lines or the active lines? | 16:17 |
| Hukka | The article mentions both | 16:17 |
| Hukka | (at least for PAL) | 16:18 |
| villager | 576 | 16:18 |
| pH5_ | xorAxAx: unfortunately not. | 16:18 |
| villager | the remaining non-visible lines are used for encoding stuff like teletext | 16:19 |
| Hukka | Ok, got it | 16:19 |
| villager | this probably still includes the overscan though | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | Hukka: 768x576 is the average in Europe (PAL) | 16:20 |
| Hukka | Thanks | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | NTSC is 720x480 | 16:21 |
| Hukka | Who cares :) | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | NTSC sucked because you had saturation issues... (Never The Same Colour) | 16:22 |
| Hukka | Btw, are the new hd discs the same everywhere (apart from region codes, of course)? | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | blu-ray has nearly no region codes tbh | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | IIRC, only 10-20% of all blu-rays have a region code | 16:23 |
| Hukka | Great, with DVDs it was quite annoying, that you couldn't really order from the states and PAL versions were months late, always | 16:23 |
| Hukka | Not that I know when I actually will buy a bluray drive. Probably not soon. | 16:24 |
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| crashanddie | just get a PS3 | 16:24 |
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| crashanddie | it's a very decent blu-ray player -- not as good as a standalone one, but it just does a whole lot more | 16:24 |
| Hukka | I've always used my desktop as a media player, so no. | 16:25 |
| Hukka | But yeah, if I did use a more traditional home theater setup, PS3 would be the best choice. Even moreso with the first revisions of it | 16:26 |
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| mkargar | heelo | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | Hukka: get an iMac and use it to display your PS3 :P | 16:27 |
| Hukka | My PS3 :? | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | well, provided you buy one :P | 16:28 |
| Hukka | Can't afford one after iMac, it's one or other :) | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | where do you live? | 16:28 |
| Hukka | Finland, Espoo | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 16:28 |
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| crashanddie | get a credit :P | 16:28 |
| Hukka | Well, seriously, macs aren't that expensive, considering it all and not just CPU power | 16:29 |
| mkargar | i want help for share internet connection between laptop & n900!?i tested this help,but,it doesn't work:(:http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sharing_ppp_connection_with_wlan_interface | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | mkargar: ouch | 16:29 |
| FIQ | pal-version of things always being around 1year later or smth like that, than ntsc/jp is annoying | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | mkargar: ad-hoc doesn't work on the N900 IIRC | 16:29 |
| mkargar | crashanddie:ad-hoc doesn't work on n900??! | 16:32 |
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| villager | the hardware should support ad-hoc, since pc-connectivity can enable it | 16:33 |
| villager | and it seems I can add ad-hoc networks in settings... though I guess I've never had to | 16:34 |
| villager | crashanddie: so are you saying it's broken? | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | I dunno, I thought I heard something like that | 16:35 |
| mkargar | villager:do yo test it?it work?i tested it,but it doesn't work!:( | 16:36 |
| villager | mkargar: can't test, I don't have an adhoc net | 16:36 |
| crashanddie | mkargar: even if it works, you do realise that ad-hoc wifi will not allow you to use power-save mode on the N900 -- your battery will drain pretty quickly | 16:37 |
| crashanddie | mkargar: may I suggest going out to the shop and getting one of these: a wifi card that supports AP features, or an access point | 16:37 |
| villager | I have a wifi card that supports AP features, but it doesn't support powersaving... argh | 16:38 |
| lcuk | villager, yeah i use adhoc | 16:38 |
| mkargar | crashanddie:ok!wifi card for my laptop? | 16:39 |
| lcuk | when my router dies i just switch back to it | 16:39 |
| crashanddie | mkargar: just get a cheap AP, costs $20 or less if you get it second hand | 16:39 |
| crashanddie | where do you live? | 16:39 |
| * lcuk uses adhoc in many situations | 16:39 | |
| mkargar | crashanddie:in iran! | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | ouch | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | how are the fights going? | 16:40 |
| villager | hoping that some future revision of the linux ralink driver will make my wifi card support powersave properly in ap mode | 16:40 |
| Ceron | 16:27:09 crashanddie: Hukka: get an iMac and use it to display your PS3 :P | 16:41 |
| mkargar | crashanddie:hehe:) | 16:41 |
| Ceron | MAC != not in here plz | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | so mac = in here please? | 16:41 |
| Ceron | lol typo ;( | 16:41 |
| Ceron | remove not | 16:41 |
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| mkargar | lcuk:are yo use ad-hoc fro connetct to internet in n900? | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | Ceron: ctcp version me | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | Ceron: don't put your hate in here, as far as I'm aware, we're allowed to discuss nearly anything in this channel | 16:42 |
| Hukka | Ceron: What, and Sony is ok then :? | 16:43 |
| lcuk | mkargar, i use adhoc in different situations, my desktop has wired internet, if its on the network, then yeah i can access internet (gateway address set there) normally though its just between laptop and n900 (think, on a train) and no internet that way | 16:43 |
| Ceron | no :P | 16:43 |
| lcuk | but when im adhocing i dont normally need internet | 16:43 |
| FIQ | s//d/ | 16:45 |
| FIQ | s/a// | 16:45 |
| infobot | FIQ meant: pl-version of things always being around 1year later or smth like that, than ntsc/jp is annoying | 16:45 |
| FIQ | ehm, ok | 16:45 |
| FIQ | s/m/\nprivmsg #maemo :test/ | 16:45 |
| infobot | FIQ meant: eh\nprivmsg #maemo :test, ok | 16:45 |
| FIQ | ._. | 16:46 |
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| FIQ | s/._.// | 16:46 |
| infobot | FIQ meant: | 16:46 |
| mkargar | lcuk:dow you want guide me how to set configs for share internet from laptop to n900?(i using ADSL connection on eth0)! | 16:47 |
| * RST38h wonders if anyone here knows anything about Maemo5 hardware keyboard configuration | 16:47 | |
| lcuk | no | 16:47 |
| lcuk | i used windows, it has a nice internet connection wizard | 16:48 |
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| mkargar | lcuk:i want share it by wlan0(wifi!)! | 16:48 |
| RST38h | OpenVMS startup begun! | 16:48 |
| * RST38h slaughters another hamster on the sacrificial altar | 16:48 | |
| lcuk | mkargar, i dont know via linux, and thats not n900 specific anyway | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: it's a qwerty keyboard, and uses a function key to access special characters | 16:48 |
| lcuk | RST38h, the lights in my house dimmed | 16:48 |
| Hukka | Wasn't the problem with wlan connection sharing, that there's no iptables, and thus nat, on N900 | 16:48 |
| lcuk | the n900 doesnt need it does it? | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | Hukka: NAT and iptables isn't running on the N900 isde | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | s/isd/sid/ | 16:49 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: Hukka: NAT and iptables isn't running on the N900 side | 16:49 |
| lcuk | n900 sets up network, giving ip,dns,gateway | 16:49 |
| lcuk | set gateway to ip address of machine with bridge installed | 16:49 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: thank you. anything more detaild? | 16:49 |
| lcuk | badda bing | 16:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: OpenVMS needs power. Lots of power. | 16:50 |
| lcuk | yeah RST38h you said before, i didnt think it would actually cause a brownout across europe tho! | 16:50 |
| * frals curses different character encodings | 16:50 | |
| RST38h | SHUTDOWN -- Perform an Orderly System Shutdown on node XXXVAX | 16:50 |
| Caesium | grumble, I think I've only just noticed that my laptop usb ports don't give enough power to charge the N900 up | 16:50 |
| Caesium | found it at 2% battery this morning | 16:50 |
| Caesium | (after being plugged in all night) | 16:50 |
| * RST38h wonders what disorderly shutdown looks like | 16:51 | |
| lcuk | Caesium, screen off, wifi off, shutoff apps | 16:51 |
| lcuk | for maximum warp charing | 16:51 |
| Caesium | lcuk: check, check, check :/ | 16:51 |
| lcuk | charging | 16:51 |
| lcuk | :( | 16:51 |
| lcuk | that just sucks balls | 16:51 |
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| Caesium | the N900 said it was charging, but lshal values say differently | 16:51 |
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| Hukka | crashanddie: No? Maybe I misunderstood what he wanted | 16:51 |
| lcuk | Caesium, was your monitoring knocking it over the edge | 16:52 |
| * RST38h would love to find the magic setting that makes HIM think that it running with RU keyboard | 16:52 | |
| Caesium | nah, I mean, I just ran lshal this morning to see what the voltage etc were, and they were still very low | 16:52 |
| RST38h | It is not hardcoded, is it??? | 16:52 |
| Caesium | it wasn't actually doing anything overnight | 16:52 |
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| lcuk | my battery died last night, i fell asleep playing some game or other | 16:53 |
| Caesium | battery.reporting.current = 27 (0x1b) (int) | 16:53 |
| Caesium | battery.reporting.design = 1262 (0x4ee) (int) | 16:53 |
| Caesium | not entirely sure what they mean | 16:53 |
| lcuk | and it happily played till the morning | 16:53 |
| Caesium | I thought it'd be current usage, but 27mAh? I don't think so :) | 16:53 |
| joppu | If anyone has some time: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/reflect/0.74-1/ | 16:53 |
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| joppu | It's currently voted 9/10 :) | 16:54 |
| arachnist | joppu: what's that supposed to do? | 16:54 |
| mkargar | please help me for share internet from laptop to n900!i extreme need to internet on n900:( | 16:54 |
| joppu | arachnist: It's a theme | 16:54 |
| arachnist | oh | 16:54 |
| Caesium | ooh themes, I want new themes, I'll check it out :) | 16:54 |
| * arachnist wants a LCARS theme for the N900 | 16:55 | |
| Hukka | Ah, _from_ laptop to the phone | 16:55 |
| lcuk | mkargar, look up linux internet connection sharing google results | 16:55 |
| RST38h | n900 is too small to qualify for lcars =) | 16:55 |
| Hukka | Didn't see that one coming :) | 16:55 |
| Caesium | joppu: errors when apt-get installing, I'll put them in www space, hang on.. | 16:55 |
| lcuk | the instructions should be parallel to your requirements | 16:55 |
| joppu | Caesium: don't worry, it's normal :) | 16:56 |
| lcuk | RST38h, didnt stafleet enlist midgets | 16:56 |
| Caesium | ah ok :) | 16:56 |
| lcuk | starfleet | 16:56 |
| Hukka | mkargar: Your system should have a connection sharing in an easy control panel or something. If not, switch to an easier system! | 16:56 |
| RST38h | lcuk: A midget will not be able to lift n900 | 16:56 |
| RST38h | lcuk: And a normal guy will find the screen tiny =) | 16:56 |
| Hukka | At least Ubuntu and OSX work just like that | 16:56 |
| lcuk | midgets in space could get round geoffries tubes tho | 16:56 |
| lcuk | so it has its benefits either way | 16:57 |
| * RST38h idly wonders why no new StarTrek soap in a while | 16:57 | |
| lcuk | they said they were resting | 16:57 |
| RST38h | Some in peace, already... | 16:57 |
| lcuk | brennan n braga killed it with wussy stuff | 16:57 |
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| * lcuk still shakes head @ theme "song" in enterprise | 16:58 | |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: resting? william shatner sounded like he's been running after his breath for the past 3 decades | 16:58 |
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| crashanddie | ouch, looks like that one didn't go to well eh :P No comeback? | 16:59 |
| lcuk | sorry, stuck on planet with no comms | 17:00 |
| * RST38h wants StarTrek crew go the full way and finally show that StarTrek and Starship Troopers universes are in fact the same | 17:00 | |
| crashanddie | Cap'n, we're being overrun by bugs! --Fire all phasers leftenant smith (hang on, that's star wars) | 17:01 |
| * RST38h has seen glimpses in some StarTrek episodes: military with phasers at each corner of the homeworld, rationing, etc. But it really requires a revelation. | 17:01 | |
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| * Arkenoi finds it quite disturbing that even my old symbian phone could act as AP with NAT while n900 cannot | 17:05 | |
| crashanddie | oh ffs | 17:06 |
| RST38h | N900 probably can just requires some coercing | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | could people please shut up about *my old phone did this, but the n900 doesn't, fail* already? | 17:06 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Could you do something for me? | 17:06 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, what? | 17:06 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: tar -cvzf ru-xkb.tgz /usr/share/X11/xkb ? | 17:06 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: and mail it to me? | 17:06 |
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| crashanddie | I mean seriously, you're comparing a brand new operating system, that is months old, with things that have been developed by corporations over years? | 17:07 |
| Arkenoi | ok, wait | 17:07 |
| thopiekar | hi | 17:07 |
| RST38h | Actually, tgz the whole /usr/share/X11 | 17:07 |
| thopiekar | is "Till Harbaum" here? | 17:07 |
| RST38h | He is comparing Linux with Symbian. Symbian winning is not a good sign. | 17:07 |
| thopiekar | Maintainer of the maep package? | 17:07 |
| thopiekar | found a problem in his debian/rules.. | 17:07 |
| crashanddie | thopiekar: the email line in the debian file is there for a reason | 17:08 |
| crashanddie | thopiekar: also, firstname@lastname.org | 17:08 |
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| thopiekar | crashanddie: hmm I could say him very fast what the problem is, when he would be online here.. | 17:09 |
| thopiekar | but ok crashanddie | 17:09 |
| villager | RST38h: I don't think it has anything to do with the OS... linux can act as an AP with NAT if the wifi chip and the driver supports it... same would probably be required for whatever symbian runs on | 17:09 |
| villager | RST38h: but the n900's wifi chip don't support ap mode, I hear | 17:10 |
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| Ceron | http://aussenlager.namespace.at/pix/0727b1c2f97b5fd3656495c75bb66a1efcd3e50b.jpg | 17:11 |
| jebba | Uh, can someone help me out? I have wrecked my apt-transport-https .deb... I can't install it again via apt-get, because, well, it is missing. Can anyone apt-get --download only it for me and make it available or repack it or something so I can get it running again? :) | 17:12 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, got it? | 17:12 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: yep | 17:14 |
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| villager | my Symbian phone (N95) can't do AP mode either, by the way | 17:16 |
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| villager | I can run NAT software on it, but then it can only do adhoc, not ap | 17:17 |
| villager | and the n900 can definitely do that too | 17:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | n900 can do, n900 can do with a bit of shell, and n900 can do out of the box with the stock firmware and no addons and an averagely skilled user are very different things. | 17:18 |
| luke-jr | if I find the N900 online for $320, is it a scam? | 17:19 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Shit. It is exactly the same =( | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: no, of course not. | 17:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Verify that your credit card will stand behind the purchase if the vendor does not deliver. | 17:20 |
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| Caesium | jebba: er, apt won't let me download a package I have installed, and I have no package-building clue, but I can give you the file that looks like it'll make apt do https? | 17:22 |
| Caesium | jebba: http://bsd.dsl.shagged.org/~chris/tmp/https drop that into /usr/lib/apt/methods/https and try recovering the package :) | 17:23 |
| Caesium | (rest of the package is just docs anyway) | 17:23 |
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| jebba | Caesium: checking thx! | 17:25 |
| Caesium | looks like it's just a binary https fetcher that apt calls to do it's work | 17:26 |
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| jebba | Caesium: seems to work, but i don't think i can reinstall the package. What does "dpkg -S /usr/lib/apt/methods/https" give you? | 17:29 |
| Caesium | Nokia-N900-42-11:/var/lib/apt/lists# dpkg -S /usr/lib/apt/methods/https | 17:29 |
| Caesium | apt-transport-https: /usr/lib/apt/methods/https | 17:29 |
| Caesium | I found that with dpkg -L apt-transport-https | 17:29 |
| Caesium | can you not now apt-get -d install apt-transport-https | 17:29 |
| Caesium | then maybe move that https out of the way | 17:30 |
| jebba | E: Package apt-transport-https has no installation candidate | 17:30 |
| Caesium | and apt-get install apt-transport-https which will use the local copy? | 17:30 |
| jebba | when i tried to install it. | 17:30 |
| jebba | anyway, it is using the https binary i think, but i just can't get the actual package. | 17:30 |
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| jebba | ya, working, but no apt-transport-https deb available (?!) | 17:31 |
| Caesium | your sources.list didn't get nuked did it? :) | 17:31 |
| jebba | no | 17:31 |
| thopiekar | omg! properly the craziest ./configure file ever! it's modifing the debian/* file ! | 17:31 |
| jebba | i'm grabbing this right now, for instance (for qstardict): | 17:31 |
| jebba | Get:3 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free libqt4-xml 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo4+0m5 [114kB] | 17:31 |
| Caesium | I can't find a way to force apt to download a deb it already has installed or I'd just give you the deb | 17:31 |
| thopiekar | I really hope that the Maintainer of maep will fix that! | 17:32 |
| lcuk | jebba, you need the scratchbox apt https module/thingy | 17:32 |
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| * thopiekar just wrote the email.. | 17:32 | |
| jebba | oh ya, i did build that already ahhaha | 17:32 |
| jebba | i'm getting old | 17:32 |
| kamui2 | morning | 17:32 |
| jebba | http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/scratchbox/apt/freemoe/ | 17:32 |
| kamui2 | i need a little help building something that requires Python in the scratchbox | 17:34 |
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| kamui2 | I can't install python-dev, so I downloaded the source of the python package I haave | 17:35 |
| kamui2 | and build it | 17:35 |
| kamui2 | but I still can't build off of it | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Ahahaha | 17:36 |
| RST38h | WiFi password is stored as open text in gconf :) | 17:37 |
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| RST38h | ext_kb_model = nokiasu8w | 17:42 |
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| derf | RST38h: It alays has been. | 17:44 |
| derf | *always | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: If you are still around, could you please do ' gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/inputmethod' for me? | 17:44 |
| RST38h | heya derf | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: I am trying to make Fremantle think it has got cyrillic keyboard | 17:45 |
| derf | Moo. | 17:45 |
| GAN900 | Hooray for rhetoric fail on Talk | 17:45 |
| RST38h | Because mighty UX designers for Nokia seem to think that we are not supposed to switch languages on English keyboards | 17:45 |
| |R | Is blueMaemo optified? :) | 17:46 |
| RST38h | Oh shit email passwords are stored as open text too! | 17:47 |
| javispedro | what would you expect? | 17:47 |
| wolf^ | security by obscurity probably | 17:47 |
| RST38h | MODEST. | 17:47 |
| RST38h | The name is MODEST. | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | If the user can install and run tcpdump, what's the point of encryption | 17:48 |
| javispedro | btw, I still ponder wheter to tell those tmoers how to use the fmtx with headphones. is it safe? why doesn't nokia allow it? | 17:48 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, FCC | 17:48 |
| jaska | well, the imap login could use something other than plaintext?:) | 17:48 |
| Caesium | pop3 and imap can both use ssl too? | 17:49 |
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| javispedro | GAN900: ah, thanks. | 17:49 |
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| * javispedro thinks the fmtx is basically useless without headphones | 17:49 | |
| * GAN900 wishes somebody would 'splain the insanity in the firmware thread. | 17:49 | |
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| javispedro | on the other side, I have to remember to tell fmradio's author that I want to be able to use it _without_ headphones ;) | 17:50 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, and get a signal how? | 17:50 |
| RST38h | javis: not possible, it uses the wire as antenna | 17:50 |
| javispedro | external antenna | 17:50 |
| kamui | python2.5-dev: Depends: python2.5 (= 2.5.2-11.1maemo3+0m5) but 2.5.4-1maemo5 is to be installed | 17:51 |
| RST38h | that is what headphones are | 17:51 |
| kamui | littttttttttle help | 17:51 |
| javispedro | wireless external antenna ;) | 17:51 |
| RST38h | fail. | 17:51 |
| javispedro | a big metal column at ~2 meters | 17:51 |
| javispedro | does wonders | 17:51 |
| RST38h | especially if someone uses it for grounding =) | 17:51 |
| javispedro | :) | 17:51 |
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| Arkenoi | Where, exactly, is that Nokia newfound-focus on apps? While Apple's iPhone offers thousands and many are found for the Android phones, Nokia's offering its new N900 cell phone/internet tablet and Maemo 5.0 with current offerings of about 100 apps. | 17:51 |
| Arkenoi | Is he idiot, or what? | 17:52 |
| javispedro | also, in some places I can get good enough reception without headphones | 17:52 |
| wackl | does the fm transmitter also use the headphone line as antenna? hope so | 17:52 |
| javispedro | e.g. on the wild | 17:52 |
| Arkenoi | But looks like it is quite widespread kind of idiocy | 17:52 |
| javispedro | wackl: it does, though the fcc doesn't allow the default sw to use it | 17:52 |
| GAN900 | wackl, no, that would violate FCC regulations. | 17:52 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, put it more accurately. | 17:53 |
| lcuk | Arkenoi, | 17:53 |
| lcuk | nm | 17:53 |
| lcuk | why cant i charge my device whilst fmtxing | 17:53 |
| * b-man17 had a device that used the headphone line as an antenna xD | 17:53 | |
| javispedro | GAN900: I think it depends on wheter you feel like toying or you mean "the device out of the box" :) | 17:53 |
| lcuk | is my problem atm | 17:53 |
| lcuk | i had a nearly flat n900 and power from laptop available, but i couldnt tx whilst charging | 17:54 |
| wackl | GAN900: so the hardware could use it but it's disabled because the transmit power must be < EIRP (think 10uW here in germany)? | 17:54 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, because the fm signal might leak out your charger and kill your neighbors. | 17:54 |
| lcuk | im in a car | 17:54 |
| wolf^ | lcuk, wasn't that on bugzilla somewhere? already fixed iirc | 17:54 |
| lcuk | the only thing near is lions | 17:54 |
| javispedro | you could kill the lions! | 17:54 |
| lcuk | AND THEY SHOULD BE DEAD | 17:54 |
| lcuk | i dunno wolf^ | 17:54 |
| GAN900 | wackl, software lock on it, yes. | 17:54 |
| * lcuk must check | 17:54 | |
| javispedro | well, the usb cable also acts a bit as antenna | 17:55 |
| * lcuk puts n900 into wok | 17:55 | |
| javispedro | in fact even wrapping the thing with a copper wire acts as antenna, to both fmrx and fmtx... | 17:55 |
| lcuk | anyway gan, i dont have any neighbors here in the uk | 17:55 |
| lcuk | we have neighbours, but they are different | 17:56 |
| wackl | need to do a little experimenting with that. didn't get the transmitter to work with 3 different cars | 17:56 |
| javispedro | (therefore, using fmtx and charger may violate fcc regulations too) | 17:56 |
| lcuk | i have a shaky video of me in car with n900 fmtx testing | 17:56 |
| lcuk | is fcc a US thing? | 17:56 |
| javispedro | yep | 17:56 |
| wackl | yes | 17:56 |
| * lcuk checks if he lives in the us | 17:56 | |
| javispedro | though I'm pretty sure there are more stupid restrictions here | 17:57 |
| lcuk | nope, quite certain i dont | 17:57 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Ah forget the apps, better do gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/inputmethod | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: a teaser for you: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/Problems#5422152768188999538 | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: OFCOM | 17:57 |
| * Arkenoi wonders why so many assholes out there 1) keep whining about MMS, though they just shut the fuck up 3 years ago when iphone had no MMS and 2) keep whining about ovi store, though there is application manager with download menu | 17:57 | |
| lcuk | ofwat? | 17:57 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: lemme guess: touchbook with mbx? | 17:58 |
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| * moo-_- wonders why Arkenoi refers people as assholes | 17:58 | |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Office of the COMunications regulator. | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: well, SGX, but there's our "white problem | 17:58 |
| lcuk | Arkenoi, mms is rumbling its way through :) from early discussions to now i see great progress | 17:58 |
| wolf^ | lcuk, bug 6792 | 17:58 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6792 FM radio transmitter does not play while USB cord is connected | 17:58 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: ah | 17:58 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: did you see my latest patch to the bugreport? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: nop, URL? | 17:58 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: the logic of it seems wrong if you look at it twice :P, but seems to work | 17:58 |
| * javispedro thinks we need infobot / povbot to search for bugzilla ;) | 17:59 | |
| javispedro | s/for/ | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | bug 4870 | 17:59 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 Red & blue color channels swapped sometimes in SDK | 17:59 |
| javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1890&action=view | 17:59 |
| javispedro | ah, thanks. | 17:59 |
| Arkenoi | moo-_-, because of their inconsistent behavior: when Apple does it, "MMS is not needed", when Nokia does the same, they call it "Nokia just fucked things up with lack of MMS support" | 18:00 |
| * lcuk will use charger only next time,not try to use it in laptop mode | 18:00 | |
| lcuk | thx wolf^ | 18:00 |
| jeremiah | http://shadowfax.dlinkddns.com/nokia.html | 18:00 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: with that you don't need any of the other "workarounds" | 18:00 |
| jeremiah | ^^ view with N900 | 18:00 |
| jeremiah | Or similar | 18:00 |
| jeremiah | I would like some feedback on that link please. | 18:01 |
| javispedro | nice | 18:01 |
| javispedro | (without n900, sorry) | 18:01 |
| jeremiah | :) | 18:01 |
| Arkenoi | and whining "there are just 100 applications" because you are too stupid to add extras and devel fits to being asshole as well | 18:01 |
| jeremiah | No biggie, I just want some feedback on usability, and how it looks on the device. | 18:01 |
| RST38h | moo-: Because everyone has one, no? | 18:02 |
| jeremiah | Arkenoi: I agree - total Apple fanboiism out there | 18:02 |
| moo-_- | Arkenoi: I'd rather call them "not educated" than assholes... maybe Application manager could make it easier to enable those repos? | 18:02 |
| kamui2 | naah | 18:03 |
| joppu | Damn, I can't promote my package due to "Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on line 451" | 18:03 |
| joppu | :( | 18:03 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: looks cool, a bit plain | 18:03 |
| kamui2 | they are clearly not ready for the apple sheep | 18:03 |
| jeremiah | The thing is, there are more apps for the Nokia N900 than for anything else out there because you can fairly easily port everything from debian | 18:03 |
| RST38h | jeremiah; Does not resize to the browser width | 18:03 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: Thanks - it is meant to be plain for the moment. | 18:03 |
| kamui2 | still too many things to worry about like incompatible packages, or running out of space on root :) | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | jeremiah: Umm - no. | 18:03 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: But it should resize to the browser width | 18:03 |
| jeremiah | I'll get maemo styling latter. | 18:03 |
| jeremiah | or later. | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | jeremiah: once those apps are ported, it's fair enough to say that, but... | 18:03 |
| moo-_- | people will be ignorant to the end of the world... if they cannot find some information then maybe the information should be more well presented | 18:04 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: <TABLE WIDTH="100%"> etc | 18:04 |
| jeremiah | okay | 18:04 |
| jeremiah | But there is no table. | 18:04 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: I still need to do more research on that, but that should work on LE platforms for now. Still don't know what causes the white, though. | 18:04 |
| RST38h | moo-: Well, you could have found that "more well" is broken English, but you did not | 18:04 |
| kamui2 | SpeedEvil just the guy I wanted to see | 18:04 |
| jeremiah | And it resizes for me if I just click on it. | 18:04 |
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| RST38h | moo-: Was that information presented to you insufficiently well at some point? | 18:05 |
| kamui2 | are you familiar with developing with Python.h | 18:05 |
| Arkenoi | jeremiah, actually when iPhone was just out new, i blogged an entry describing its misfeatures and stating HTC or Nokia could get lynched for releasing such a castrate to the public, and the *only* reason people swallowed it is that it was Apple | 18:05 |
| RST38h | jeremiah; Make it a table | 18:05 |
| moo-_- | RST38h: no, but on the other hand I have 15 years of developer experience | 18:05 |
| moo-_- | RST38h: if people complain it maybe then there is a reason for the complaint? | 18:05 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: No interest in going back to web standards from 1996 | 18:05 |
| RST38h | moo-: A lot of people complain for the sake of complaining | 18:05 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: TABLE works. Everywhere. | 18:05 |
| jeremiah | I repeat. | 18:05 |
| moo-_- | RST38h: well in this case... Does the application manager tell anyhow there could be more applications available? | 18:06 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: So, I do not see why be snobbish about it | 18:06 |
| joppu | jeremiah: how bout <div>s? | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: but it's not javascript or css, or ... | 18:06 |
| Arkenoi | well, though i think having extras and devel configured, just disabled by default could be reasonable | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | kamui2: no. | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | kamui2: sorry. | 18:06 |
| * frals bashes his head against utf8 and iso-8859-1 | 18:06 | |
| * RST38h publicly sticks css where sun does not shine | 18:06 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, is it rendering ok with no glitches? | 18:06 |
| moo-_- | RST38h: also I assume your english parser is more fault tolerant than strict XML | 18:06 |
| RST38h | lcuk: yea | 18:06 |
| jeremiah | joppu: Maybe I should add one. | 18:06 |
| jeremiah | But I don't really see the need | 18:07 |
| jeremiah | I mean, all I want is a form and CSS | 18:07 |
| jeremiah | So it loads fast | 18:07 |
| * lcuk orders a team of nubile masseures to frals house | 18:07 | |
| jeremiah | RST38h: Now it is you who is being snobbish | 18:07 |
| javispedro | it should be XForms! it should use a Java Applet for client-side validation! | 18:07 |
| * jeremiah smacks javispedro with a moldy IE | 18:08 | |
| lcuk | server side blink FTW | 18:08 |
| javispedro | it works well enough, only I have to agree that the fields need to be resizable | 18:08 |
| Arkenoi | nowdays an average web page is several hundred kb long and it looks exactly the same one could do with 10kb page 10 years ago | 18:08 |
| javispedro | they're too small now. | 18:08 |
| javispedro | (testing on n900 now) | 18:08 |
| javispedro | the entire form only fits when in fullscreen | 18:08 |
| javispedro | and Description should be a textbox, depending on what kind of description you have in mind :) | 18:09 |
| Arkenoi | and there are damn too many scripts - and nothing breaks if i just disable it with noscript | 18:09 |
| jeremiah | javispedro: Yeah, you're right about text box | 18:09 |
| jeremiah | javispedro: Good feedback. | 18:09 |
| Arkenoi | (and if it does, it is just poorly implemented page, not some vital features requiring js) | 18:09 |
| lcuk | text size bigger | 18:10 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: Bigger! | 18:10 |
| jeremiah | It is huge | 18:10 |
| lcuk | whats huge? | 18:10 |
| jeremiah | Oh well, I'll make it bigger | 18:10 |
| jeremiah | 22pt | 18:10 |
| lcuk | the label says PUT STUFF HERE | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: And it makes compression impossible. | 18:11 |
| lcuk | and the text itself is like magnifying glassish | 18:11 |
| jeremiah | eh? | 18:11 |
| lcuk | the captions for the items is big | 18:11 |
| lcuk | but the text in the textbox is tiny | 18:11 |
| lcuk | and uneditable | 18:11 |
| * lcuk can barely read it :$ | 18:11 | |
| javispedro | yep | 18:12 |
| jeremiah | ah! | 18:12 |
| jeremiah | I have to change that | 18:12 |
| jeremiah | thanks | 18:12 |
| jeremiah | You guys rock. | 18:12 |
| jeremiah | Every single one of you. | 18:12 |
| javispedro | I was just thinking about the ITP the other day :) | 18:13 |
| Sir_Lancelot | hi guys | 18:13 |
| javispedro | good job | 18:13 |
| Sir_Lancelot | does anyone know about a facebook app on the way for n900? | 18:13 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :S | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually - ebay has gotten slightly better in terms of page sizre than it last was. | 18:13 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: No, just being a careful old fart | 18:13 |
| jeremiah | s/careful/persnickety/ | 18:14 |
| jeremiah | :P | 18:14 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: You are making me google for it =) | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - my mistake, it's gotten worse on most pages | 18:14 |
| jeremiah | w00t | 18:14 |
| ifreq | extras devel changed? do i need to change it manually? | 18:14 |
| frals | so i got this lgpl library here ive modified slightly.. i can just append myself to authors and redistribute it right? | 18:15 |
| joppu | jeremiah: http://tinypic.com/m/6xw7bq/2 | 18:15 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Wrong word choice. | 18:15 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: 'Cause it is no small detail | 18:15 |
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| jeremiah | joppu: Thanks. | 18:15 |
| RST38h | int_kb_layout = ru | 18:16 |
| jeremiah | heh, from your link I can buy a skateboard with that image | 18:16 |
| joppu | damn, copied the indirect link, sorry | 18:16 |
| jeremiah | Just what I want. | 18:16 |
| RST38h | that may do it | 18:16 |
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| jeremiah | http://bit.ly/6tJPuN | 18:18 |
| RST38h | slide-layout = Russian/Latin | 18:18 |
| RST38h | Let us try THAT | 18:18 |
| jeremiah | ^^ Thanks joppu - I am going to now buy this hat | 18:18 |
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| joppu | :P | 18:21 |
| RST38h | HURRAH! I GOT SECOND LAYOUT WORKING | 18:23 |
| kamui2 | this is fucked | 18:23 |
| kamui2 | forked | 18:23 |
| kamui2 | why is getting the python dev headers so freeking hard | 18:24 |
| RST38h | Ok, I lost arrows in the process but so fucking what | 18:24 |
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| joppu | First theme for Fremantle! Rejoice! | 18:29 |
| joppu | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/reflect/ | 18:29 |
| joppu | Also 203 karma, does this make a real developer? :P | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | well i guess | 18:29 |
| RST38h | joppu: More screenshots? | 18:30 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Is there a way to take global control of Ctrl+Space? | 18:30 |
| joppu | RST38h: soon | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | joppu: Taking requests? =) | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | joppu: license of theme btw? | 18:34 |
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| xorAxAx | timeless: do you know how to talk to the gsm chip directly on the n900? | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: take a look at cellmo-icpr82-headers | 18:36 |
| * RST38h feels like Dr Evil finally getting his doomsday weapon finished | 18:36 | |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: whats that? a package? | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: yes | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: it's in nokia-binaries | 18:37 |
| PaulFertser | xorAxAx: n900 gsm chip uses ISI protocol, there's some support in ofono already. | 18:37 |
| xorAxAx | PaulFertser: is there a kind of shell? | 18:37 |
| RST38h | gconftool-2 --set --type=string /apps/osso/inputmethod/intkb_layout ru | 18:38 |
| RST38h | This will immediately turn the cyrillic layout on. No need to do any extra switching. | 18:38 |
| RST38h | Now, if I figure out a way to take over Ctrl+Space, I am all done: cyrillics will start working on Euro-1 N900s | 18:38 |
| xorAxAx | hah, //In case of problems concerning content of this file contact Markku Loukusa, Sauli Laukka or Markus M<F6>rsky | 18:39 |
| PaulFertser | xorAxAx: pnatd ? | 18:39 |
| xorAxAx | PaulFertser: i wonder if it gives me netmon functionality | 18:40 |
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| xorAxAx | PaulFertser: is ISI documented somewhere? | 18:41 |
| PaulFertser | xorAxAx: not publicly. ofono was going to provide a free software implementation though. | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: those headers are ISI headers | 18:42 |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: i saw | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | ofono may give clues how to use it though | 18:42 |
| papo | hum can anyone suggest an email client which is nicely integrated with the maemo 5 UI? | 18:42 |
| joppu | Is there some person responsible for the web package management? I'm running into some nasty error pages :( | 18:42 |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: what is ofono? | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: google is your friend | 18:43 |
| Markus23 | when I format /dev/mmcblk0p1 as ext3, can it then still be accessed as mass storage (under linux) | 18:43 |
| RST38h | papo: Claws | 18:43 |
| RST38h | papo: May not be as nicely integrated as Modest but at least it works. | 18:44 |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: does the n900 use ofono? | 18:44 |
| Markus23 | how does the mass storage mechanism work? Is it described somewhere? | 18:44 |
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| RST38h | joppu: web package management is fucked up. | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: no | 18:44 |
| RST38h | joppu: probably will not be fixed unless someone new works on it. | 18:44 |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: how is the gsm chip called that is being used in the n900? | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: nokia's own | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | (afaik) | 18:45 |
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| joppu | RST38h: Will this be fixed when the servers have been moved? I'm currently unable to anything in extras-devel. | 18:46 |
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| Stskeeps | volunteer for helping out? | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:46 |
| kamui | im about to murder something | 18:46 |
| RST38h | joppu: My guess is no | 18:47 |
| kamui | why is Python so difficult to work wwwith | 18:47 |
| RST38h | kamui: go for someone! need any candidates? | 18:47 |
| kamui | yea | 18:47 |
| kamui | whoever packaged pyhthon-dev | 18:47 |
| xorAxAx | PaulFertser: do you know how the gsm chip is called? | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | 'cellmo' would be a good guess | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:48 |
| PaulFertser | xorAxAx: no idea, sorry. | 18:48 |
| xorAxAx | maybe its in lspci or lsusb | 18:48 |
| xorAxAx | or dmesg | 18:48 |
| xorAxAx | can somebody check? | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | it uses Phonet maybe | 18:48 |
| joppu | RST38h: So is there anything I am able to do? Try to upload the package again? | 18:49 |
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| RST38h | joppu: Depends on they way in which it is fucked up. Could you give me the URL and tell me what you are trying to do? | 18:50 |
| jebba | "Stskeeps: volunteer for helping out?" with the servers? | 18:50 |
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| joppu | RST38h: I'm tryin to promote this to testing but all I get is the PHP timeout error: | 18:52 |
| joppu | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/reflect/0.75-1 | 18:52 |
| RST38h | ok | 18:52 |
| joppu | It's working, but if I log in it just gives the error | 18:52 |
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| RST38h | yea, it is pretty dead | 18:53 |
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| jebba | joppu: this is where outages are reported: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5818 | 18:54 |
| povbot` | Bug 5818: We need servers | 18:54 |
| javispedro | joppu: happens to me on some packages... try at different hours | 18:54 |
| jebba | i just gave up | 18:54 |
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| RST38h | joppu: promoting to -testing? | 18:55 |
| papo | RST38h: Trying, thank you | 18:56 |
| jebba | RST38h: ya, it times out all the time. Similar to when you try to vote karma for a package. | 18:56 |
| RST38h | naah, nothing I can do, none of the tricks work | 18:57 |
| RST38h | joppu: Catch X-Fade. Whine. Whine. Whine some more. | 18:57 |
| joppu | What happened on "November/December 2007" :P | 18:58 |
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| RST38h | Some long past clusterfuck? | 18:58 |
| javispedro | the world ended. | 18:59 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I need a hint guys: inside fremantle repo | 19:01 |
| Sir_Lancelot | there are a lot of apps | 19:01 |
| Sir_Lancelot | which name starts by "Hildon" | 19:01 |
| Sir_Lancelot | what does it mean? | 19:01 |
| javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon | 19:02 |
| lcuk | joppu, maemo 4 came out | 19:03 |
| lcuk | n810 | 19:03 |
| Sir_Lancelot | thanks Javispedro | 19:03 |
| Sir_Lancelot | should I install this on n900 | 19:03 |
| javispedro | what? | 19:04 |
| javispedro | hildon is already installed. | 19:04 |
| Sir_Lancelot | or will it mess around and force me into a format | 19:04 |
| Sir_Lancelot | if it's installed why does it show up isnide app manager? | 19:04 |
| Sir_Lancelot | now I'm confused... | 19:04 |
| javispedro | what's the exact name of what's showing up inside the app manager? | 19:04 |
| Sir_Lancelot | 1 min | 19:04 |
| Sir_Lancelot | hildon-application-manager-|10n-zhhk | 19:05 |
| Sir_Lancelot | hildon-common-strings-|10n-zhhk | 19:05 |
| lcuk | the l10n packages are translations to different languages | 19:05 |
| Sir_Lancelot | so, ALL Hildon |10n packs are translations? | 19:06 |
| andre__ | L. it's an L. | 19:07 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I got it....it's written bellow the app "language files..."... | 19:07 |
| andre__ | L10N = localization. | 19:07 |
| Sir_Lancelot | my bad | 19:07 |
| andre__ | :) | 19:07 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | obrigado andre | 19:07 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | another silly question | 19:08 |
| Sir_Lancelot | when I install an app | 19:08 |
| Sir_Lancelot | will it install all necessary libraries | 19:08 |
| * lcuk releases a wholesome and rewarding burp upon the unsuspecting world | 19:08 | |
| RST38h | yes | 19:08 |
| Sir_Lancelot | or do I have to install each dependency by hand? | 19:08 |
| RST38h | no | 19:08 |
| * javispedro is starting to seriously hate cmake | 19:09 | |
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| GAN900 | Sir_Lancelot, turn off Red Pill mode. . . . | 19:12 |
| Sir_Lancelot | Red Pill ?? | 19:13 |
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| RST38h | ehehehe | 19:13 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | what's the meaning of Red Pill? | 19:14 |
| jebba | anyone know if board-rx51-camera.c is the front camera or the back camera or both? | 19:14 |
| Caesium | Sir_Lancelot: The Matrix reference | 19:15 |
| joppu | http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode | 19:15 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | Matrix reference?.. you guys all in code... ehehehe | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: no, the website :p | 19:16 |
| Sir_Lancelot | thanks joppu. I understood now | 19:16 |
| Sir_Lancelot | ;) | 19:16 |
| KamuiN900 | wow. even if i do get blender to build, im a little concerned now about the lack of an fpu on the n900 | 19:18 |
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| javispedro | "lack"? | 19:18 |
| KamuiN900 | where is pupnik when you need him | 19:18 |
| joppu | Once I was IRCing, terminal colors naturally set to green-black. Some random dude came over to comment "Pretty cool Matrix screensaver you got there" :D | 19:19 |
| javispedro | there are two theoretically, the vfp3 lite and the neon one. | 19:19 |
| FIQ | ~seen pupnik | 19:19 |
| infobot | pupnik <n=user@p54B2E28C.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 24m 47s ago, saying: 'bbl'. | 19:19 |
| FIQ | meh | 19:19 |
| joppu | It was just irssi :( | 19:19 |
| GAN900 | Sir_Lancelot, you shouldn't be seeing hildon packages unless you're doing something screwy. | 19:19 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I haven't changed nothing... | 19:19 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :S | 19:19 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I just added catalogs | 19:20 |
| Sir_Lancelot | and that's it | 19:20 |
| joppu | GAN900: Someone has spammed devel with some translation files | 19:20 |
| GAN900 | joppu, in user/*? | 19:20 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I don't wanna see stuff which n900 doesn't support | 19:20 |
| villager | KamuiN900: it can run 3d games and you think it lacks fpu features? | 19:20 |
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| GAN900 | Sir_Lancelot, then remove Extras-devel from your catalog. | 19:21 |
| joppu | GAN900: yeah, how smart is that | 19:21 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I thought that extras-devel would show up only fremantle apps | 19:21 |
| Caesium | yes, but ones that will eat your n900 :p | 19:21 |
| GAN900 | joppu, ah, I see. | 19:22 |
| GAN900 | Sir_Lancelot, Extras-devel isn't anywhere anybody who's not either extremely adventurous or a developer should be playing. | 19:22 |
| joppu | GAN900: http://i50.tinypic.com/2eygl4y.jpg Like 1/8 of the "All" category is these :| | 19:23 |
| FIQ | oh | 19:24 |
| FIQ | that suits me perfectly | 19:24 |
| jeremiah | How does one take screenshots? | 19:24 |
| Caesium | load-applet lets you do it | 19:25 |
| FIQ | Ctrl+shift+p | 19:25 |
| jeremiah | (Sorry, to lazy to look it up.) | 19:25 |
| jeremiah | Thanks! | 19:25 |
| lcuk | shift ctrl p | 19:25 |
| Sir_Lancelot | ctrl+shift+p | 19:25 |
| SpeedEvil | 'eat your n900' is somewhat unlikely for a non malicious app. | 19:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Eat all your contacts isn't. | 19:25 |
| jeremiah | FIQ beat you lcuk | 19:25 |
| FIQ | ..and i don't even own a device yet. :3 | 19:25 |
| lcuk | indeed | 19:25 |
| Sir_Lancelot | heeehe | 19:25 |
| jeremiah | ~FIQ++ | 19:25 |
| jeremiah | FIQ++ | 19:25 |
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| Caesium | cool, didn't know about that keycombo | 19:26 |
| lcuk | fiq just bein smug :p | 19:26 |
| jeremiah | karma ~FIQ | 19:26 |
| joppu | Caesium: So bloated with all the unusable buttons :( | 19:26 |
| jeremiah | infobot karma ~FIQ | 19:26 |
| infobot | ~fiq has neutral karma | 19:26 |
| FIQ | ~karma FIQ | 19:26 |
| Caesium | no hardware ctrl though, so you can't do it without onscreen keyboard? | 19:26 |
| jeremiah | pff | 19:26 |
| infobot | fiq has karma of 1 | 19:26 |
| jeremiah | :) | 19:26 |
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| javispedro | how does the hildon app mgr react to conflicts in conffiles? | 19:26 |
| joppu | ~karma joppu | 19:26 |
| infobot | joppu has neutral karma | 19:26 |
| joppu | :) | 19:26 |
| RST38h | badly? | 19:26 |
| jeremiah | joppu++ | 19:26 |
| jeremiah | (for help done previousl) | 19:27 |
| pH5_ | jebba: I think both. the smia-sensor driver is for the second cam (vs6555). | 19:27 |
| GAN900 | Caesium, control is the upper left key on the keyboard. . . . | 19:27 |
| Caesium | d'oh | 19:27 |
| Caesium | I'm blind :) | 19:27 |
| Caesium | caesium-- | 19:27 |
| jeremiah | Caesium++ | 19:28 |
| jeremiah | for saying d'oh | 19:28 |
| Caesium | can't believe I didn't see that, I've been using theonscreen ctrl in xterm all the time | 19:28 |
| RST38h | jaremiah++++ | 19:28 |
| RST38h | jeremiah++++ | 19:28 |
| jeremiah | him too | 19:28 |
| RST38h | does not let do +n or ++++ | 19:28 |
| jeremiah | RST38h++ | 19:28 |
| javispedro | ~karma joppu | 19:28 |
| infobot | joppu has neutral karma | 19:28 |
| jeremiah | For being so . . . RST38hish | 19:28 |
| javispedro | ~[nick name]++ | 19:28 |
| javispedro | without the ~ infobot's not listening | 19:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro: so what if I /nick sue ? | 19:29 |
| javispedro | ~cookie | 19:29 |
| * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds x+gpm... see gpm+x | 19:29 | |
| jeremiah | ~RST38h++ | 19:29 |
| joppu | NEWSFLASH: Esc in terminal is actually Alt! | 19:29 |
| RST38h | or /nick cookie for that matter | 19:29 |
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| jeremiah | ~Caesium++ | 19:29 |
| javispedro | ~karma RST38h | 19:29 |
| infobot | rst38h has karma of 2 | 19:29 |
| inz | joppu, you mean oldsflash? | 19:29 |
| RST38h | joppy: Yeah? | 19:29 |
| javispedro | ~karma joppu | 19:29 |
| infobot | joppu has neutral karma | 19:29 |
| jeremiah | ~joppu++ | 19:29 |
| javispedro | ~karma joppu | 19:29 |
| infobot | joppu has karma of 1 | 19:29 |
| jeremiah | w00t | 19:30 |
| joppu | inz: for me it was :/ | 19:30 |
| inz | ~inz-- | 19:30 |
| FIQ | Interesting | 19:30 |
| inz | :( | 19:30 |
| javispedro | ~karma inz | 19:30 |
| infobot | inz has neutral karma | 19:30 |
| javispedro | ~sue-- | 19:30 |
| FIQ | ~FIQ-- | 19:30 |
| FIQ | ~karma FIQ | 19:30 |
| FIQ | ~FIQ++ | 19:30 |
| FIQ | ~karma FIQ | 19:30 |
| infobot | fiq has karma of 1 | 19:30 |
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| javispedro | ~cookie++ | 19:31 |
| javispedro | RST38h: there's your answer. | 19:31 |
| jebba | pH5_: cool thx. Looks like they've done a bit of work on it, hopefully front camera will be working soon... | 19:31 |
| lcuk | ~*++ | 19:31 |
| * javispedro ponders.. | 19:32 | |
| javispedro | in the usual packageX and packageX-data split, is the conffile inside the packageX, or inside packageX-data | 19:32 |
| javispedro | theoretically it is a "arch: all" file, but is also the conffile for the binary, not for the data... | 19:32 |
| javispedro | data. | 19:33 |
| KamuiN900 | damn | 19:34 |
| KamuiN900 | how do you write a tilde on the n900 | 19:34 |
| RST38h | javis: ah! | 19:34 |
| javispedro | KamuiN900: btw, Blender won't work unless you magically remove the OpenGL dependency | 19:34 |
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| kamui | javispedro, | 19:35 |
| kamui | or | 19:35 |
| kamui | or | 19:35 |
| kamui | how about a software renderer | 19:35 |
| kamui | I've already built Mesa successfully. | 19:35 |
| kamui | so I don't think any magic is needed. | 19:36 |
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| javispedro | no, that's not magic indeed. just slow :) | 19:36 |
| kamui | actually, it runs fine on muchh slower pocketpcs | 19:37 |
| kamui | so I think l be ok if I can get past the python dep | 19:37 |
| kamui | we'll | 19:37 |
| kamui | not l | 19:37 |
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| kamui | so if you have any insite on that portion, it would greatly help push the port forward | 19:38 |
| javispedro | blender on a 240x320 pocketpc? | 19:38 |
| kamui | yea | 19:38 |
| kamui | works fine, a bit cramped, I used to use it on my vga htc exec | 19:38 |
| kamui | and it was very useful | 19:38 |
| kamui | was't as nice on my tilt though | 19:38 |
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| kamui | but we have plenty realestate, and theeee 2.5 alpha intttterface is much better | 19:39 |
| kamui | kvm is acting up again | 19:39 |
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| papo | hm. I have a very large IMAP account and modest always reports 0 messages. Is this a known bug? I've seen it several times on t.m.o but can't find a bug report for it | 20:00 |
| villager | it might report more if you enter the folder and wait sufficiently many eternities | 20:01 |
| papo | ok let's try that | 20:03 |
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| villager | I've determined that 15 minutes often suffice for me... I switched to Claws mail, works better | 20:03 |
| jeremiah | Whoa. http://www.maemory.com/N900/ | 20:03 |
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| villager | no reason to wait for modest when claws can update in a fraction of the time | 20:05 |
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| papo | villager: Hm. If I wait a couple of minutes in the folder view, the correct number of unread emails appear | 20:07 |
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| papo | villager: however, if I open that folder, the circle-thing at the top spins for a while, then stops and instead of the emails, I get "(No Messages)" | 20:08 |
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| villager | then you have to wait a few minutes more while it's downloading something | 20:09 |
| villager | I think | 20:09 |
| villager | wait, it stopped spinning? | 20:09 |
| papo | yes exactly | 20:09 |
| Sir_Lancelot | what is that maemory stuff?? | 20:10 |
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| papo | villager: and while spinning, I did du -s /home/user several times but the number never changed | 20:10 |
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| villager | I doubt it actually ever caches anything in the folders to disk | 20:12 |
| villager | too slow for that to be the case | 20:12 |
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| papo | hum ok | 20:13 |
| villager | well, I've never had it say no messages after it stopped spinning without the folder actually being empty, so don't know | 20:13 |
| papo | too bad the exchange sync thing fails as well... :( | 20:13 |
| RST38h | Anyone can tell me what dh_maemolauncher is and whether it is necessary? | 20:14 |
| villager | so yeah, I recommend using Claws until modest gets better | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a way to ge teh phonje desktop exported over X? | 20:14 |
| papo | villager: Hm ok | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | The whole desktop. | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Ideally not using VNC | 20:15 |
| papo | villager: Just ran modest in debug mode and before it stops spinning, I get | 20:15 |
| papo | CamelException.setv(0x40a23d98, 308, 'Unexpected response from IMAP server: UID 2271)') | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | tcpdump it | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | see what it's choking on | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | or strace | 20:15 |
| papo | SpeedEvil: actually I think the whole IMAP traffic is outputted to the console, so no need for sniffing | 20:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | papo: ah - fair enough | 20:17 |
| papo | SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.com/m4def9cc0 FYI | 20:18 |
| angasule | :'( I cloned the jffs to the internal mmc, also installed the boot loader, but the booloader failed to load it | 20:19 |
| angasule | I'm using fanoush' init thingie, I'm not sure it can boot from ext3, hmm | 20:20 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: Maemo GTK apps do some magic to X so it's dead slow (too many roundtrips) | 20:30 |
| javispedro | VNC is better even for single apps | 20:31 |
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| RST38h | javis: Looks like your Vultures package has been marinating in -Devel for a while | 20:31 |
| corecode | hey | 20:31 |
| RST38h | Promoted to extras | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | oh well. | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | thanks | 20:31 |
| corecode | so it seems the n900 is shipping now? | 20:31 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: the alternative is NX, I played with it on N810 but building it is a mess | 20:31 |
| javispedro | (btw my guess is that the cause of the slowness is sapwood) | 20:32 |
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| gandhii | is there an easier way to scroll in gftp? some sort of shortcut for page up/down? | 20:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~shortcuts | 20:35 |
| infobot | somebody said shortcuts was http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | aha | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe? | 20:35 |
| angasule | is there any way to figure out why the bootloader is failing to boot from the internal mmc? | 20:35 |
| jeremiah | heh, cool http://code.google.com/p/storageusage/ | 20:37 |
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| dolfun | finally got trackpoing working on this ibm spacesaver keyboard and it is *so* worth it | 20:42 |
| RST38h | slashdot.org: MicroB -- 15 seconds, Fennec rc1 -- 40 seconds | 20:42 |
| RST38h | engadget.com: MicroB -- 18 seconds, Fennec rc1 -- 120+ seconds | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: is it running out of RAM and swapping? | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: or is it just CPU hog | 20:43 |
| RST38h | Who knows? Who cares... | 20:43 |
| RST38h | It is a memory hog indeed | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | where'd you get it? | 20:44 |
| RST38h | official repo | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 20:44 |
| RST38h | actually, the numbers come from a different source, but I can confirm them | 20:44 |
| dolfun | official repo | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install fenec does nothing | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | dolfun: I want one of those. | 20:45 |
| RST38h | official FENNEC repo | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Currently keyboard is under hte covers and toasty warm. | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | For hte mouse I need to move out intot he cold. | 20:46 |
| * SpeedEvil is in bed. | 20:46 | |
| dolfun | there's a guy in florida with non-clickey ones for about 40 bux SpeedEvil | 20:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | dolfun: yeah - well - that's a problem - international shipping. L:/ | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Plus lack of cash currently. | 20:47 |
| dolfun | yes, shipping, customs | 20:47 |
| dolfun | doubles cost | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Hence indirectly the need for it - 5C or so in here. | 20:47 |
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| * javispedro decides to leave the autobuilder alone | 20:49 | |
| dolfun | hello javispedro and happy new year | 20:49 |
| dolfun | takes a lot of time? | 20:49 |
| javispedro | HNY, dolfun | 20:49 |
| angasule | hmm, the end of the line in the bootloader says "N/A" | 20:50 |
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| angasule | so, partition doesn't exist, cool | 20:51 |
| javispedro | no, I'm just debugging a issue that manifests only in the diablo autobuilder | 20:51 |
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| javispedro | but every package has 50% of chances to break in the build-dep stage, so. | 20:52 |
| RST38h | hm | 20:52 |
| javispedro | cmake is failing to copy a file, and I dunno why. | 20:53 |
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| javispedro | (I even considered ENAMETOOLONG) | 20:53 |
| javispedro | the stupid buildsystem could printf the errno, dang it. | 20:54 |
| javispedro | but nooooo. | 20:54 |
| kamN900 | damn | 20:54 |
| kamN900 | crosscompiling innnnntroduces all types oproblems | 20:54 |
| javispedro | No, build systems introduce problems. | 20:55 |
| dolfun | http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/ wow. opengl from vnc server or other apps without direct xorg access | 20:55 |
| kamN900 | while mesa built fine in fremantle x86 scratchbox, Im having to struggle through the arm build | 20:55 |
| angasule | computers should just display source code and humans should interpret it | 20:55 |
| angasule | kamN900: well, no wonder, I'm guessing x86 has been debugged to Hel and back :) | 20:56 |
| dolfun | kamN900 i don't understand what you are doing with mesa | 20:56 |
| dolfun | besides learning how to build packages | 20:56 |
| javispedro | dolfun: http://depot.javispedro.com/vmgl/ for debian lenny | 20:56 |
| kamN900 | dolfun need to build a software rendering build of mesa for blender | 20:56 |
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| dolfun | ah. i hope it doesn't actually try to use it | 20:57 |
| GAN900 | Christ, second cold in two weeks. | 20:58 |
| angasule | this is driving me nuts :-( | 21:02 |
| angasule | I can't figure out what's wrong | 21:02 |
| dolfun | i think people complaining about mplayer not playing 820x520 videos are funny | 21:03 |
| dolfun | someone even complained mencoded did not encode 800x480 stream from camera | 21:03 |
| dolfun | mencoder | 21:03 |
| dolfun | i should build folding@home for them | 21:04 |
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| corecode | what's the advice where to buy a n900? | 21:05 |
| arachnist | i bought mine from nokia's online shop | 21:07 |
| * corecode blinks | 21:07 | |
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| angasule | hmm | 21:07 |
| corecode | arachnist: you're everywhere | 21:07 |
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| arachnist | corecode: i actually thought this was #dragonflybsd when i saw your nick ;> | 21:08 |
| corecode | heh | 21:08 |
| corecode | different network | 21:08 |
| arachnist | yes. i realized it's "not here" when your nick missed an @ ;> | 21:09 |
| corecode | so you got yours yet? | 21:09 |
| arachnist | yes, almoast 6 weeks ago | 21:09 |
| corecode | o i c | 21:10 |
| corecode | price? | 21:10 |
| arachnist | 2500pln | 21:10 |
| corecode | oh wow | 21:10 |
| corecode | that's expensive | 21:10 |
| arachnist | at current currency rates, it's about 612 euros | 21:10 |
| arachnist | well, i needed a new phone anyway | 21:12 |
| corecode | i need a data rate plan then | 21:13 |
| arachnist | and i didn't feel like getting a winmo/symbian based device or an iphone | 21:13 |
| corecode | webos? | 21:13 |
| arachnist | i didn't like the feel of palm pre | 21:14 |
| arachnist | (a friend has one) | 21:14 |
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| arachnist | and there are no good phones with android (with high-res screen, hardware keyboard and a battery that doesn't drain to 30% after half an hour of some game) | 21:15 |
| arachnist | (the last one ruled out motorola milestone) | 21:15 |
| rantom | arachnist: How about Motorola Droid/Milestone? | 21:15 |
| arachnist | rantom: see above | 21:16 |
| dolfun | landscape format makes more sense for a pocket device with keyboard, imo | 21:16 |
| rantom | Granted though that what I tested from it today I didn't like it's keyboard | 21:16 |
| javispedro | well, the n900 is much better: the battery only drains to that after 3 hours of some game ;) | 21:16 |
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| rantom | :) | 21:16 |
| arachnist | not to mention that the keyboard on the droid/milestone doesn't feel good | 21:16 |
| dolfun | i reccommend external charger and spare battery for full day use | 21:16 |
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| hrw | hi | 21:17 |
| arachnist | oh, and getting openvpn/vpnc running on android phones is quite a hassle | 21:17 |
| rantom | arachnist: That's the main reason why I got N900. HTC had one good phone which was similar to N900 but it had Windows Mobile on it. No thanks | 21:17 |
| arachnist | (yes, i do need it sometimes) | 21:17 |
| hrw | btw... does someone know which version of hildon-desktop is in fw1.1? | 21:17 |
| javispedro | hrw: there's a branch in gitorious | 21:18 |
| hrw | thx | 21:18 |
| hrw | 2.2.120 will be | 21:19 |
| javispedro | dunno the exact number | 21:19 |
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| hrw | just checked | 21:19 |
| hrw | will have to hand build h-d after fw1.1 then | 21:19 |
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| hrw | http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/e731282a59924e3bbb84ea6647736ed6c0fc0245 removes second level from lancher | 21:20 |
| hrw | I have it in SDK and looks nice | 21:20 |
| javispedro | nice | 21:21 |
| javispedro | it was being time | 21:21 |
| javispedro | :) | 21:21 |
| arachnist | so, after an update, there will be no "More..." button? | 21:21 |
| hrw | arachnist: no, 1.1 will have it | 21:21 |
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| rantom | Anyone else having a problem to reply directly via email to the sender? | 21:21 |
| tigert | so its all one level with scroll? | 21:21 |
| arachnist | hrw: as i said, after an update | 21:21 |
| rantom | I tried it today and it left the recepient field empty | 21:21 |
| dolfun | you can put whatever you want on the front page of icons | 21:21 |
| hrw | tigert: it is | 21:21 |
| GAN900 | I love the broken sorting in recent versions. | 21:22 |
| tigert | hrw: ok | 21:22 |
| tigert | I guess there is a way to hack sort | 21:22 |
| tigert | the sort is stored somewhere anyway | 21:22 |
| arachnist | hrw: do you know if it'll be possible to reorganize icons in there? | 21:22 |
| dolfun | doesnt it go by timestamps? | 21:22 |
| dolfun | old to new (2nd page) | 21:22 |
| dolfun | the sort for first page is defined in some textfile | 21:22 |
| arachnist | if it would go by timestamps a simple "touch" on files would do the trick | 21:23 |
| javispedro | it does | 21:23 |
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| javispedro | on the 2nd page. | 21:23 |
| GAN900 | Manual sort for default stuff then alphabetical for installed stuff in new versions. | 21:23 |
| javispedro | alphabetical?? | 21:23 |
| javispedro | ah well | 21:23 |
| javispedro | at least they'll stay put and not move around randomly after an apt-get upgrade | 21:23 |
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| hrw | "Enable to activate status menu in portrait mode." - also after 1.1 stuff | 21:24 |
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| angasule | insmod: cannot insert `/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory <-- umh? | 21:24 |
| javispedro | see dmesg | 21:25 |
| angasule | aah, jbd | 21:25 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: It's worse than that, actually | 21:26 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, what's the bug number? | 21:26 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: Since I made them all sorted, I realised that they're sorted by .desktop filename, not localised label | 21:27 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Erm, let me check | 21:27 |
| GAN900 | Ah, nice. | 21:27 |
| Jaffa | Obviously sub-optimal with osso-... | 21:28 |
| * javispedro envisions commercial app X shipping "0X.desktop" file | 21:28 | |
| hrw | angasule: do not use insmod - use modprobe | 21:28 |
| javispedro | by the kernel version, I guess that's diablo, and there modprobe requires some previous work | 21:28 |
| hrw | btw - can someone create wiki page which will list scm locations of maemo components? | 21:29 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: #7350 | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: i'll have a report of that coming out in january | 21:29 |
| dolfun | anyone can, hrw | 21:29 |
| javispedro | bug #7350 | 21:29 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7350 MADDE 0.5's dpkg replacement does not work with --search reliably | 21:29 |
| Jaffa | bug #7450, sorry | 21:29 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7450 Application sorting ignores first 12 items | 21:29 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: cool | 21:29 |
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| hrw | dolfun: sure, but not everyone knows them | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: listing licensing status of everything, if it depends on closed stuff, if it only exists on device etc | 21:30 |
| hrw | Jaffa: first 12 are in /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu? | 21:30 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: something like packages.debian.org would be great to have | 21:30 |
| dolfun | oh we have the webmaster here | 21:30 |
| dolfun | It would be great to get the licenses from Loki Games. | 21:32 |
| angasule | YAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYyyyy, it's booting from the internal mmc :) let's see if it all works | 21:32 |
| hrw | dolfun: I would rather prefer to get (L)GPL sources of calendar | 21:33 |
| dolfun | yes | 21:33 |
| hrw | this app suxx so badly that it is not relaeased to show how ugly source is | 21:33 |
| angasule | hmm | 21:34 |
| dolfun | I think it looks pretty | 21:34 |
| Jaffa | hrw: No, that's first screen, More... is /etc/xdg/menus/hildon/applications.menu | 21:34 |
| hrw | Jaffa: right | 21:34 |
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| angasule | in the control panel, memory, Storage has device and internal memory card, both with the same size, but no external card, hmm | 21:34 |
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| Jaffa | hrw: What does packages.debian.org have that's useful that maemo.org/packages/ doesn't | 21:34 |
| dolfun | hrw to see your events, go to "week view". | 21:35 |
| hrw | dolfun: please..... do not get me started to list maemo5 calendar bugs | 21:35 |
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| angasule | Jaffa: search description (and more search options in general)? | 21:37 |
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| dolfun | it does everything i would expect in a bundled app, really. it is interesting how perceptions differ. | 21:37 |
| hrw | Jaffa: what maemo.org/packages lacks: links to source (diff, dsc, tarball), bugtracker... | 21:38 |
| angasule | Jaffa: links to related packages (if you go to openssh's page, debian allows you to go to -server and -client) | 21:38 |
| hrw | dolfun: really??? it does not allow to set alarm time in usable way (1:15 for example), does not allow to set alarms for 1st monday of month, does not allow to set repeat each 3rd friday | 21:39 |
| hrw | dolfun: does not allow to remove ONE occurance of repeatable event | 21:39 |
| gandhii | dolf: true. different people use calendar apps differently i guess. | 21:39 |
| hrw | dolfun: lists all calendars as 'local' but lacks support for non-local ones | 21:39 |
| hrw | dolfun: does not allow to define own colors for calendars | 21:40 |
| hrw | dolfun: require lot of clicks just to do something | 21:40 |
| hrw | dolfun: lacks text previews in month view - look at nokia eseries calendar or handycalendar/s60 | 21:40 |
| Jaffa | hrw: It links to bug tracker if package declares one, FWIW | 21:40 |
| RST38h | The new law makes blasphemy a crime punishable by a fine of up to Á¬25,000... The government says it is needed because the republic's 1937 constitution only gives Christians legal protection of their beliefs. | 21:41 |
| RST38h | (next time you go to Ireland, keep this in mind) | 21:41 |
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| hrw | dolfun: so it does a lot less then simple calendars from other platforms | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I note the law specifies a number of people have to be upset by it - without giving consequences. | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I do wonder what happens if they recieve ten thousand signatures protesting against an insult to the FSM. | 21:42 |
| hrw | dolfun: maemo5 calendar reminds OpenedHand Dates which now is ~3 years old | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Speed: The define blasphemy as anything offending christians | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: that's been changed. | 21:42 |
| RST38h | the rest can be blasphemed against as much as needed | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Speed: really? | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | see the line you pasted | 21:43 |
| RST38h | oh, shit, lawsuit galore | 21:43 |
| hrw | Jaffa: but not gives sources ;( | 21:43 |
| dolfun | Calendar is a fresh 1.0 bundled app on a new OS using a new UI metaphor. | 21:44 |
| RST38h | In related news, .CZ legalizes drugs | 21:44 |
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| angasule | hmm, funny, I have /dev/mmcblk1p1 on / , also rootfs on / and /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 (which shows the same data as 1p1 on / ) | 21:45 |
| angasule | RST38h: legalises or decriminalises? | 21:45 |
| angasule | ah, yes, decriminalises, same as in Buenos Aires | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Well, as you are even allowed to grow it, I guess it is legalisation | 21:46 |
| nomis | is it possible to disable vibration on the clock alarm? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | yes | 21:46 |
| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/tmp/pic20.jpg is what hildon-desktop HEAD shows as first screen | 21:46 |
| nomis | RST38h: where? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | nomis: profiles I think | 21:47 |
| RST38h | hrw: you mean, the first screen with More is gone? | 21:47 |
| nomis | RST38h: it should vibrate on SMS and Ringing. | 21:47 |
| dolfun | hrw, please compare apples to apples. | 21:47 |
| hrw | RST38h: right | 21:47 |
| angasule | RST38h: no, they are different things, here in Argentina it's also legal to grow it and consume it | 21:47 |
| nomis | it is just that the vibration totally kills the silently-sneaking-in-effect of the wakeup sound. | 21:48 |
| hrw | dolfun: so I should compare it to /usr/bin/cal then | 21:48 |
| angasule | I want the external SD card to show up, but I'm afraid of touching anything since both 0p1 and 1p1 seem to be the internal memory... | 21:48 |
| RST38h | hrw: You do know that it is configurable and you can even create folders there> | 21:49 |
| hrw | RST38h: cool | 21:49 |
| RST38h | angasule: When does it become legalisation then? | 21:49 |
| RST38h | hrw: http://maemos.ru/2009/12/28/making-folders-icons-n900/ | 21:50 |
| * hrw -> movies | 21:50 | |
| hrw | bye | 21:50 |
| hrw | thx RST38h | 21:50 |
| angasule | http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Fall06/Panzer/legal.html | 21:50 |
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| angasule | it says Reefer Review on the title, so you know it's right :P | 21:50 |
| RST38h | ok, so legalisation is when people start driving trucks full of this stuff? | 21:51 |
| dolfun | Right, like Broccoli | 21:52 |
| dolfun | a bunch of loudmouths sitting in a room have no moral right to define which objects you may own | 21:53 |
| * SpeedEvil did some broccoli today. | 21:53 | |
| SpeedEvil | Smoking that shit will fuck you up. | 21:53 |
| dolfun | afk food | 21:53 |
| angasule | RST38h: apparently | 21:53 |
| angasule | SpeedEvil: broccoli is evil | 21:53 |
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| angasule | also, tomatoes, I hate tomatoes | 21:54 |
| SpeedEvil | angasule: And it can be TALLER THAN YOU! | 21:54 |
| angasule | I have the munchies, cheers | 21:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | angasule: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/3563641682/in/set-72157619014257011/ | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | The brocolli jammed the wood chipper. | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Which was tearing through 5cm thick normal branches | 21:56 |
| * RST38h knew he had a reason to be suspicious of broccoli | 21:56 | |
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| dolfun | http://handheld.softpedia.com/images/software/screens/Handy-Calendar-S60-5th-Edition_6.png /me LOLS | 22:00 |
| lcuk | ~hopbeat++ | 22:00 |
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| angasule | SpeedEvil: I tell you, they are trying to take over the world | 22:09 |
| angasule | so, if I have mmcblk1p1 on / and mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 but both are the internal memory, who do I call? the ghostbusters? :? | 22:10 |
| phreck | heh | 22:11 |
| angasule | I think the 1p1 is an oddity of the bootloader, but still, I'm afraid to touch the real 1p1, and I have no real clue on how to get it to automount | 22:12 |
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| angasule | help? | 22:15 |
| angasule | pretty please? | 22:15 |
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| tekonivelm | I've installed a variety of Contacts plugins, but none of them appear in the accounts list to be configured :( | 22:16 |
| tekonivelm | Only Ovi, Jabber, Skype, Google, Skype and SIP. No msn, irc or any other niceones | 22:17 |
| tekonivelm | dpkg --audit doesn't say anything | 22:18 |
| tekonivelm | I wonder... | 22:18 |
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| RST38h | A study in 1981 estimated that the dose from using a thorium mantle every weekend for a year would be 0.3-0.6 millirems, tiny in comparison to the normal annual dose of a few hundred millirems, although a person ingesting an entire mantle would receive a comparable dose of 200 mrem | 22:21 |
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| xnt14 | Hi, I'm trying to compile the maemo5 sdk, I get these errors: http://pastebin.ca/1735389 any ideas? | 22:21 |
| xnt14 | I'm on a x86-64 system | 22:21 |
| zash | tekonivelm: telepathy-haze & co? | 22:21 |
| RST38h | -64 <-- problem | 22:22 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 22:22 |
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| xnt14 | I followed the instructions to disable vdso32 | 22:22 |
| tekonivelm | Bugger! | 22:22 |
| xnt14 | on the wiki | 22:22 |
| tekonivelm | Yeah i have telepathy-haze et al | 22:23 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 22:23 |
| xnt14 | so the only way to run this is to use a vm? | 22:23 |
| tekonivelm | I have most telepathy-\* packages installed | 22:24 |
| angasule | RST38h: reading slashdot, I see | 22:24 |
| angasule | RST38h: unfortunately, thorium can be used to create nuclear weapons too | 22:24 |
| angasule | (or fortunately, depends on how much of a mad scientist you are) | 22:25 |
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| tekonivelm | I wonder if my telepathy* packages are in fact conflicting | 22:27 |
| angasule | I tried 'sfdisk /dev/mmcblk1p1' and it rebooted itself, hmm | 22:27 |
| ifreq | has there been some probs with repos today? | 22:27 |
| ifreq | appmanager fails atleast to update some repos | 22:27 |
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| xnt14 | nevermind, its working | 22:28 |
| angasule | hmm, I see data=ordered , but I changed osso-mmc-mount.sh to data=writeback :? | 22:28 |
| * luke-jr is back to debating his purchase of a N900 :x | 22:28 | |
| RST38h | angasule: reading wiki | 22:29 |
| RST38h | slightly amused by the idea of consuming a gas mantle | 22:30 |
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| angasule | RST38h: heh yes | 22:32 |
| dolfun | india expects first thorium reactor online this year iirc | 22:32 |
| angasule | luke-jr: you want to buy an N900 *waves hand* | 22:32 |
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| luke-jr | angasule: do I? | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | angasule: if so, only because Nokia failed to deliver with the N810 what was advertised | 22:37 |
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| luke-jr | but when new phones have 512 MB of *real* RAM, I'm not so sure | 22:37 |
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| Wolfie | luke-jr: it really depends on what you want from your new gizmo | 22:38 |
| Wolfie | if you want a phone that has some tech capabilities, n900 isn't perhaps for you. If you want a tablet with some GSM capabilities, N900 is a strong competitor | 22:38 |
| luke-jr | Wolfie: N810 would be fine if Linux supported it and it had a little more RAM, tbh | 22:39 |
| phreck | huh? | 22:39 |
| phreck | wolfie what do you mean by "tech capabilities" | 22:39 |
| luke-jr | phreck: Facebook! :p | 22:40 |
| phreck | fb runs sweet on the n900 lol | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | I'm sure it does. | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | his point is that N900 is not a phone | 22:41 |
| phreck | ok | 22:41 |
| phreck | just didnt sound right, this is a very capable device, in either category. | 22:42 |
| phreck | just needs some software =P | 22:42 |
| dolfun | !topic | 22:42 |
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| gevaerts | Is there a repository somewhere that has curl for maemo 5 (n900)? | 22:43 |
| luke-jr | phreck: that's the problem with N810 | 22:43 |
| phreck | thats always the issue hehe | 22:43 |
| luke-jr | phreck: care to test the internal SD speed for me BTW? :P | 22:43 |
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| phreck | sure | 22:44 |
| Wolfie | phreck: i think it's more a question of luke-jr's meaning of the words | 22:44 |
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| angasule | uh oh | 22:44 |
| phreck | once im done w this fennec install ill test it | 22:45 |
| Wolfie | now, showertime | 22:45 |
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| phreck | ssd or sd luke? | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | phreck: eMMC or whatever | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | don't care about the NAND | 22:45 |
| kamN900 | holy shit | 22:46 |
| kamN900 | it only took 3 hoursssss | 22:46 |
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| phreck | wha? | 22:46 |
| kamN900 | but I built mesa for armel target | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | lol | 22:46 |
| b-man17 | rofl | 22:47 |
| phreck | fack. is there a howto for that luke =P | 22:47 |
| kamN900 | now i just need to that python.h issue resolveed | 22:47 |
| luke-jr | phreck: great, care to do it? | 22:47 |
| kamN900 | and blender is here! | 22:47 |
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| phreck | yea | 22:47 |
| kamN900 | hey luke-jr | 22:47 |
| phreck | ill do it | 22:47 |
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| luke-jr | kamN900: hi | 22:47 |
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| ShadowJK | luke-jr, what speed are you interested in? | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: about 12M/second read, and IIRC 10M write | 22:53 |
| angasule | lightspeed! | 22:54 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: read/write | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, just sequential read/write? | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | sure | 22:57 |
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| luke-jr | for comparison, my HD seems to do 30-40 MB/sec write ;) | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | and extremely strangely, about 15 MB/sec read O.o | 22:59 |
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| phreck | wow. fennec is slowwwwww | 23:01 |
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| dolfun | it is very good that they built it for maemo, so people can appreciate microb | 23:02 |
| dolfun | fennec is 'normal' | 23:02 |
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| phreck | yea.. | 23:02 |
| phreck | i dig the ui and features. its too slow though | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | If you remove the 3.6V battery, put in a 9V one, and overclock to 1800MHz, it's not bad. | 23:05 |
| phreck | hahahaa | 23:05 |
| phreck | for the one minute the dive lasts. | 23:05 |
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| ShadowJK | luke-jr, I get 9.6M write, 19.4M read | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | (per sec) | 23:07 |
| kamN900 | im very close | 23:07 |
| * ShadowJK moved swap to microsd so it wouldn't interfere :) | 23:07 | |
| luke-jr | hmm | 23:08 |
| kamN900 | for configures that require it, ./configure --host=armel | 23:08 |
| kamN900 | ? | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: 9 min 13s for 1gb write | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | kamN900: all configures require it only when cross compiling... | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | on ext2 formatted mmc | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | It's funny how the device names are kinda swapped around like on N810.. | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: is that on the mmc or on the nand? | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | I guess they get renamed at some point, and the old name sticks around for some things | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, mmc | 23:10 |
| tekonivelm | Does anyone know where telepathy config files live? | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | MyDocs | 23:10 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: would you buy a N900 for $320? | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: without hesitation. | 23:11 |
| luke-jr | XD | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | even though you already have one? | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: however at that price I would want to make sure my card company would stand behind it if it died. | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: if I had the spare cash, yes, to flip on ebay. | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | hehe | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | if it died? | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | do N900 die often? | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | Some of them come dead in the box ;) | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | nI have no idea. | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: really? | 23:13 |
| xorAxAx | luke-jr: where can it be bought for that price? | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | xorAxAx: I'll announce it *after* I order mine XD | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | in case it's an error, I want to be the one who gets it... :p | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, seems there are two things that happens, one is where some units seem unable to wake up from sleep, and then there are some people reporting mic problems | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | (and then the silent majority of N900s that work fine) | 23:14 |
| luke-jr | wouldn't Nokia have to replace it if it were dead? | 23:14 |
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| ShadowJK | Yes | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: in some cases. | 23:15 |
| clmntch | hello | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | They have 2 year warranty in europe and 1 year in the US afaik | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: in some cases, the retailer may have that responsibility. | 23:15 |
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| ShadowJK | It's the seller's responsibility in .fi according to law, but Nokia's website seems to indicate that they're willing to deal with it directly too. Dunno how it is elsewhere | 23:16 |
| luke-jr | better to pay w/ CC or PayPal in this area? | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: cc - you're in hte UL? | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | UK | 23:17 |
| luke-jr | USA | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Why did I think you were in the UK. | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: anything where you can claim an transaction was fraudulent | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | odd. | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | ext2 write on mmc - ~2M/s - read - ~20 | 23:17 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: external? | 23:20 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 23:20 |
| * luke-jr should probably use his Citi card; it generates credit card numbers per-transaction | 23:20 | |
| ShadowJK | ext2 will expose some of flash's hate of non-sequential writes :) | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ext3 rather | 23:21 |
| dmj7261 | kamN900: Are you Shinkamui? | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting. | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | rewriting the file is ~9M/s | 23:22 |
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| ShadowJK | ext2/ext3 | 23:23 |
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| ShadowJK | SD/MMC is designed to run on vfat :) | 23:23 |
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| svanheulen | so um i reflashed my n900 and everything seems to be fine but the LED doesn't work any more | 23:33 |
| svanheulen | any ideas on what i can try? | 23:33 |
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| cehteh | huh | 23:36 |
| cehteh | thats odd | 23:37 |
| Proteous | das blinken light is dead | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean the notification LED? | 23:37 |
| cehteh | try a reboot | 23:37 |
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| cehteh | maybe the uC is out for lunch | 23:37 |
| cehteh | you can try to set some colors manually, but the uC will/should eventually overwrite your settings | 23:38 |
| cehteh | unless its stuck then i guess a reboot (possibly with removing battery) will fix that | 23:38 |
| b-man17 | do you guys think it's worth it to enable ext4 support on the N900? | 23:39 |
| svanheulen | i tried a normal reboot, i'll try pulling the battery next | 23:39 |
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| gevaerts | Is it normal that an n900 gets warm while using GSM/GPRS/UMTS? | 23:40 |
| cehteh | b-man17: i want to setup a kernel git for the n900 maintaining community kernels, and possibly some configs, needs some helpers | 23:40 |
| ifreq | anyone got working converstation msn-plugin atm? | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | gevaerts: yes | 23:41 |
| b-man17 | cehteh: sure, i might be able to help :) | 23:41 |
| gevaerts | SpeedEvil: thanks. That means mine probably isn't broken :) | 23:41 |
| cehteh | on my laptop ext4 gives a noticeable performance improvement, i if building a new kernel i would give it a try | 23:41 |
| cehteh | plus iptable, crypto and some more features i need | 23:42 |
| cehteh | but so far i had no time to care for kernel | 23:42 |
| b-man17 | i think it's worth it :) | 23:42 |
| cehteh | gevaerts: open 'top' in a terminal and see if some process sticks at almost 100% cpu .. if not all is ok (or install conky to watch) | 23:43 |
| gevaerts | cehteh: it's not a cpu thing. I checked | 23:43 |
| cehteh | then its likely ok | 23:43 |
| * cehteh doesnt used data connection extensively yet | 23:43 | |
| gevaerts | The battery doesn't last very long with a data connection, but nothing I can't cope with | 23:44 |
| b-man17 | cehteh: just to let you know, i don't have an N900 yet - so i might be a tad limited to what i can do :( | 23:44 |
| svanheulen | i really haven't noticed a difference between ext3 and 4 on my desktop | 23:45 |
| svanheulen | i have heard it ruins sqlite performance though | 23:45 |
| cehteh | can you switch back to gsm only? .. that has some disadvantages but needs a lot less juice | 23:45 |
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| gevaerts | for talking that should work fine | 23:45 |
| cehteh | svanheulen: my laptop has a very slow 1.8" hdd .. you notice any performance thing with that :) | 23:45 |
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| cehteh | gevaerts: for slow data like email notifications, IM and so its also fine, but usually you cant talk and data at once in gsm only | 23:46 |
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| gevaerts | hm, yes. That might be annoying | 23:46 |
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| mkargar_ | hello | 23:47 |
| gevaerts | I'll have to experiment a bit | 23:47 |
| mkargar_ | what is maemo 5 root pass? | 23:47 |
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| cehteh | there is none or at least not known .. install the rootsh package | 23:48 |
| cehteh | then you can sudo gainroot and be root | 23:48 |
| b-man17 | mkargar_: maemo doesnt have a root passwd; just install rootsh | 23:48 |
| corecode | click ordered | 23:49 |
| b-man17 | or it doesn't have one by default ;) | 23:49 |
| cehteh | installing ssh ask for a new password (user i think?) | 23:50 |
| cehteh | well i disabled all passwords and do only key logings | 23:50 |
| tigert | ssh-server you mean | 23:50 |
| cehteh | yep | 23:50 |
| tigert | openssh client doesnt set password | 23:50 |
| cehteh | could be | 23:50 |
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| tigert | the server does (for obvious reasons) | 23:50 |
| cehteh | i just need both | 23:50 |
| tigert | I just install the server if I need to ssh in | 23:51 |
| cehteh | well 'obvious' is questionable .. imo it would be fine to disable logins by default | 23:51 |
| mkargar_ | b-man17:i have not internet on n900!it pissible that download and install manuelly? | 23:51 |
| tigert | dont want to keep the port open in the 3g network all the time | 23:51 |
| tigert | since my gsm provider has public ip pool | 23:51 |
| tigert | which is nice if I want to ssh in | 23:51 |
| tigert | but not fun the rest of the time | 23:51 |
| cehteh | i set up openvpn :) | 23:51 |
| b-man17 | mkargar_: install it from the application manager ;) | 23:51 |
| gevaerts | openvpn is pretty much essential :) | 23:51 |
| cehteh | gives you roaming :) | 23:52 |
| b-man17 | mkargar_: or go to maemo.org and install it from the downloads section | 23:52 |
| mkargar_ | b-man17:it possible without internet mobile? | 23:52 |
| tigert | openvpn does mobile ip stuff? | 23:52 |
| tigert | like so it can handle ip changes etc? | 23:53 |
| tigert | that would be interesting if it does | 23:53 |
| b-man17 | mkargar_: not too sure without root access | 23:53 |
| gevaerts | tigert: I never had a problem with that. You'll have a stalled connection for maybe a minute every now and then, but that's about it | 23:53 |
| tigert | gevaerts: I mean if you switch from wlan to 3g etc | 23:54 |
| gevaerts | "every now and then" == "every time it has to reconnect due to a changed IP" | 23:54 |
| tigert | it handles that? | 23:54 |
| tigert | ok | 23:54 |
| b-man17 | mkargar_: try using the wifi ;P | 23:54 |
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| tigert | but that needs a host in the net that acts as a recipient point of course | 23:54 |
| * tigert needs to look into this more | 23:55 | |
| tigert | would be interesting for sure | 23:55 |
| * cehteh tried to setup openvpn to migrate seamless from normal (home wlan) connection ... with some routing tricks | 23:55 | |
| tigert | now I am just lazy and use 3g also at home | 23:55 |
| tigert | its faster than my dsl anyway ;) | 23:55 |
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| cehteh | works, but not well enough, i possibly put my accesspoint into a dedicated vpn network :/ | 23:55 |
| ifreq | can someone confirm apt-get update is working ok for all repos (inc extras-testing /devel) | 23:56 |
| tigert | and I use the N900 more than the laptop too | 23:56 |
| gevaerts | yes, if you want to migrate between openvpn and no openvpn, it will be a bit tricky | 23:56 |
| tigert | since it does more or less everything | 23:56 |
| phreck | new xchat woks nicely | 23:56 |
| tigert | except graphic design and photo editing | 23:56 |
| tigert | ifreq: extras-devel usually has the "hash" problem | 23:56 |
| cehteh | haha .. gimp on the n900 :P | 23:56 |
| gevaerts | it has a terminal, ssh, and a compiler. What more do you need? | 23:56 |
| tigert | maybe due to a bad mirror or a non-atomic file update | 23:57 |
| cehteh | with 1000'o'windows .. and constant switching :P | 23:57 |
| svanheulen | So I took out the battery and even tried charging while it was off and the LED still does nothing :( | 23:57 |
| tigert | ifreq: it usually works after a while | 23:57 |
| tigert | cehteh: heh yeah | 23:57 |
| tigert | or inkscape | 23:57 |
| gevaerts | (except curl, zip and a non-prehistoric version of make of course) | 23:57 |
| ifreq | tigert: okay, need to wait a bit then | 23:57 |
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| tigert | cehteh: 10 pixels to a millimeter is not really something to use with your thumbs to do design work :) | 23:57 |
| cehteh | tigert: inkscape might actually work well | 23:57 |
| frals | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell lol | 23:57 |
| tigert | cehteh: would if one had a good UI that handled zoom to the actual work area well | 23:57 |
| cehteh | i am a ion user on my laptop and configured inkscape to use only one window | 23:58 |
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| tigert | inkscape works ok with the dock ui | 23:58 |
| tigert | since those are all in one window | 23:58 |
| mkargar_ | b-man17:i testet more time!but,not worked!(i want sharing my dsl connection(lan0) by wlan0!but,doesn't work) | 23:58 |
| gevaerts | cehteh: no ion on the n900 yet? | 23:58 |
| xorAxAx | cehteh: do you plan to develop software for your n900? | 23:58 |
| tigert | the 250 DPI canvas is the problem | 23:58 |
| cehteh | 12" laptop .. zoom on scroll wheel .. panning on middle button, thats awesome working on small display | 23:58 |
| * gevaerts would actually like that | 23:58 | |
| cehteh | xorAxAx: want to help me? i am thinking about a automatic profile switcher | 23:59 |
| xorAxAx | cehteh: maybe, if i have time | 23:59 |
| cehteh | xorAxAx: already hacked a little bit, but rather brainstorming yet | 23:59 |
| xorAxAx | cehteh: python, ok? :) | 23:59 |
| b-man17 | mkargar_: do you have a regular data connection? (gsm, ect..)? | 23:59 |
| cehteh | xorAxAx: lua & C at least i started with lua | 23:59 |
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