| fnordianslip | hmm. i've been getting a crash out of Media Player. It happens only when I choose to display Playlists, not All albums, Artists or Genres. This didn't happen before I synced my 20GB iTunes library with Nokia Multimedia Sync - it was previously synced with Sailing Media Sync. Media Player seems to crash when it tries to work out the total time for the "Never Played" automatic playlist. | 00:00 |
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| angasule_ | is amsn available on a repo somewhere? | 00:01 |
| woglinde | whats amsn? | 00:01 |
| woglinde | msn client? | 00:01 |
| angasule_ | yes | 00:01 |
| angasule_ | with webcam (and voice? :? support) | 00:01 |
| angasule_ | hmm, it might not have voice, now that I think about it, so it's no good | 00:01 |
| angasule_ | I know skype video won't work, so I'm trying to figure out how to have a videoconference with my sister | 00:02 |
| woglinde | there is no videochat client yet | 00:02 |
| angasule_ | bummer, will have to use the laptop | 00:02 |
| charkins | farsight is in the repos, i wonder if pidgin could be built with voice/video support | 00:03 |
| Tester | charkins: why woul dyou want that? you should use the built-in app | 00:04 |
| charkins | maybe i'll give it a try after i get basic 2-way multi google calendar sync working | 00:04 |
| Tester | it uses farsight too | 00:04 |
| Tester | charkins: and it has a bunch of optimisations that are specific to the n900 hardware | 00:04 |
| woglinde | tester hm | 00:05 |
| angasule_ | I have an N810 | 00:05 |
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| charkins | Tester: i just mentioned it because pidgin already has some support for voice/video, so it should be a matter of building, rather than developing the features for the stock im client | 00:05 |
| Tester | woglinde: video is coming in an upcoming update | 00:06 |
| charkins | nice, i'd much rather see it in the native client | 00:06 |
| charkins | err, native is a bad word, but you know what i mean | 00:06 |
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| woglinde | charkins hm the n900 camera stream is not normal one | 00:06 |
| woglinde | as on n810 | 00:06 |
| Tester | its there in the stock client, its just that the button is hidden because there were some issues with the lower layers when th eorigin firmware shipped | 00:06 |
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| charkins | ahh, that's good news | 00:06 |
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| woglinde | re doc | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hi woglinde | 00:07 |
| angasule_ | so, no videoconference for N810? :? | 00:07 |
| woglinde | I think so | 00:07 |
| Tester | n810 does video confs out of the box | 00:07 |
| woglinde | tester with skype? | 00:08 |
| Tester | woglinde: not skype | 00:08 |
| Tester | there is no mobile device on the market that does skype video calls | 00:08 |
| woglinde | hm okay | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | strange. repeated reconnects due to roaming killed my xchat | 00:08 |
| Tester | the mobile version of the skype client doesnt support video (for now) | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no wonder. they need to wait for the makers of iLBC to create a customized lib for the particular mobile device | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | been xten and now they renamed to xxxpath | 00:12 |
| angasule_ | Tester: on top of which protocols? SIP? MSN? | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | skype bought their complete 'engine' | 00:13 |
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| Tester | angasule_: xmpp, sip | 00:13 |
| Tester | angasule_: on the n900, there is community supported butterfly that has av for msn too (but its not enabled righ tnow because its too buggy) | 00:13 |
| shinkamui | has a gimp port been attempted? | 00:13 |
| angasule_ | hmm, I can't find out how to get anki decks, meh | 00:14 |
| shinkamui | I can't find anything but speculation in the forums | 00:14 |
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| angasule_ | thanks for the info | 00:15 |
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| jebba | gimp wh | 00:18 |
| jebba | gimp would be very hard to use on n900... | 00:18 |
| DangerMaus | heh | 00:19 |
| DangerMaus | plug er into a bit screen | 00:19 |
| DangerMaus | big | 00:19 |
| DangerMaus | lol | 00:19 |
| Caesium | and add bt mouse and keyboard :) | 00:19 |
| DangerMaus | gots the latter 2 | 00:21 |
| shinkamui | I dissagree | 00:21 |
| DangerMaus | just need new glasses now to see the screen | 00:21 |
| shinkamui | it would completely depend on HOW you use the gimp | 00:21 |
| shinkamui | but it would definately need an inteface change | 00:22 |
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| lcuk | gimp is very hard to use on any screen | 00:24 |
| lcuk | but im not here lol | 00:24 |
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| shinkamui | lcuk: I cry | 00:35 |
| shinkamui | well, Im thinking about trying to use mtpaint | 00:35 |
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| shinkamui | I just am not a fan of needing to run shit in a chrooted environment | 00:35 |
| shinkamui | unless its for testing or development | 00:35 |
| shinkamui | and Im not even close to that point yet on the N900 | 00:35 |
| shinkamui | someone pat me on the back btw | 00:35 |
| shinkamui | My first mostly useless port was completed this morning | 00:36 |
| shinkamui | 0verkill! :) | 00:36 |
| shinkamui | required absolutely no effort, but I know have a pretty good understanding of the scratchbox | 00:36 |
| shinkamui | now | 00:36 |
| jebba | shinkamui: there is a paintish type program it comes with, btw | 00:36 |
| shinkamui | sketches I Think | 00:37 |
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| shinkamui | its somewhat terrible | 00:37 |
| shinkamui | very limited max resolution, no layers | 00:37 |
| shinkamui | more than anything else, I need layers and a larger image size | 00:38 |
| pupnik | xpPhone.. <BARF> | 00:40 |
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| shinkamui | pupnik sup | 00:45 |
| pupnik | hey shinkamui | 00:45 |
| pupnik | see the engadget bphone? that is a pretty little clamshell design | 00:46 |
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| N900evil | Is there a way to get flash to see the camera? | 00:49 |
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| pupnik | i hope not | 00:50 |
| pupnik | ever see the movie 'The Thing'? | 00:50 |
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| pupnik | that's probably where adobe got their ideas | 00:51 |
| pupnik | thing is, typing on that bphone keyboard would be slower than n900 | 00:51 |
| pupnik | too small to touch type, and longer distances to travel for thumbs | 00:53 |
| caotic | does anyone knows how to check what firmware is the n900 running ? and how to check what is the latests one ? | 00:53 |
| Pavlov | settings/about | 00:54 |
| woglinde_ | caotic in settings info | 00:54 |
| caotic | woglinde_: settings > info ? Pavlov: Settings > about worked to find out running FW. thanks | 00:55 |
| woglinde_ | caotic where wlan and bt mac is | 00:56 |
| woglinde_ | I only have german version | 00:57 |
| woglinde_ | so I translate menu entries as well as I can | 00:57 |
| caotic | woglinde_: Ah , that explains it | 00:57 |
| caotic | woglinde_: thats ok man, thanks | 00:57 |
| woglinde_ | cacotic when you find the filed where it show the wlan mac | 00:58 |
| woglinde_ | than it shows the firmaware info too | 00:58 |
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| caotic | woglinde_: yeah I got it | 00:59 |
| caotic | Any one else is upset about the charger input location. Typing while the device is plugged in is unconfortable (n900) | 01:00 |
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| woglinde_ | so happy new year | 01:02 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, from .pl too | 01:06 |
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| flux | caotic, well, what would be a better location? | 01:11 |
| flux | perhaps a better example would be its location when you're talking into it.. | 01:11 |
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| flux | there should be two microphones, so you could use it either way ;) | 01:11 |
| bib | bonne année !! | 01:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | caotic: not quite | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | caotic: typing while the device is plugged in is uncomfortable without a right-angle USB connector. | 01:15 |
| rlinfati | Hi, i can use gps from DBus? | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | caotic: which aren't available unfortunately. | 01:16 |
| caotic | SpeedEvil: probably, but will I buy a $20+usd charger, just because its bended ... IDk, have made some poor investments before | 01:17 |
| caotic | I wasnt aware that youtube lounched 3D video. I cant wait to get one of those cheap *ss glasses to watch 3d in my n900 | 01:19 |
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| shinkamui | my experience with microB and flash video is less than desireable | 01:23 |
| shinkamui | its someone choppy for me | 01:23 |
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| shinkamui | something I need to adjust/install/change? | 01:23 |
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| shinkamui | nice, an update to xchat | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | The N900 camera is somewhat nice.. it captured the fireworks me and my cousin shot :) | 01:24 |
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| shinkamui | yea, Im not displeased with th camera | 01:25 |
| shinkamui | a lot of reviewers talked a lot of shit about it | 01:25 |
| shinkamui | but hands down it takes better pics than the iphone | 01:25 |
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| shinkamui | I wouldn't compare it to a dedicated 5mp digital camera | 01:25 |
| shinkamui | i mean clearly, there's a huge difference between the 1/2" lense on the N900 and the 2.5" lense on my Nikkon | 01:26 |
| flux | I imagine the size of the sensor is also a fraction of what real cameras, even ultracompact, have | 01:26 |
| Proteous | 1/2"? you mean .001mm :P | 01:26 |
| shinkamui | I was referring to the outer lense | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | shinkamui, well I don't know anyone with an iphone | 01:26 |
| shinkamui | ShadowJK you do now :) | 01:27 |
| ShadowJK | but for taking still pictures, my Nokia E75's 3.5Mpixel camer is better | 01:27 |
| shinkamui | I retired my 3gs for the N900 | 01:27 |
| shinkamui | I find the capure process a little slow | 01:27 |
| shinkamui | but its still useable | 01:27 |
| ShadowJK | and the E75 has video light... though my flashlight kinda worked as video light too | 01:27 |
| shinkamui | I liked how the N95 had burst mode | 01:27 |
| flux | shooting a sequence of images in rapid succession would be nice | 01:27 |
| shinkamui | yea | 01:28 |
| flux | yes, or call it "rapid", much shorter :) | 01:28 |
| shinkamui | thats my favorite feature of any camera | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | yeh, E75 has burst mode too, and a "take picture every X seconds until memory card is full" | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | n900 flashlight is pretty useless for video mode | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | regrettably | 01:28 |
| shinkamui | lol | 01:28 |
| flux | shadowjk, I wouldn't call that very rapid | 01:28 |
| shinkamui | haven't even tried a night video | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | No I mean I had a flashlight with me too | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - taking pictures of a face. | 01:28 |
| Proteous | my n97 has a multi picture function | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | I took picture of fireworks | 01:28 |
| Proteous | it has the same 5mp camera as the n900 | 01:28 |
| ifreq | I love turtles. | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | if the persons face fills more than half of the screen, it will be in focus. | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 01:28 |
| Proteous | w00t, turtles | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | reasonably lit | 01:28 |
| shinkamui | Proteous quality difference? | 01:29 |
| shinkamui | I figured the N900s camera issues are soley software | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | otherwise, it rapidly dissapears. | 01:29 |
| Proteous | shinkamui: quality diffence with what | 01:29 |
| shinkamui | I mean, if you can take video, should be easy to take a burst of photos | 01:29 |
| shinkamui | N900 and N97 camera images | 01:29 |
| Proteous | ah | 01:29 |
| ShadowJK | shinkamui, there are some hardware issues too, like the silver frame in the back cover | 01:29 |
| Proteous | I don't think so | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Proteous: how do you know it has the same camera? | 01:29 |
| Proteous | it doesn't? | 01:29 |
| Proteous | nokia sourced two different 5mp phone camera units?.... | 01:30 |
| Proteous | not sure why they would do that | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Proteous: perhaps. | 01:30 |
| Proteous | for phones that were being developed at the same time | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Proteous: simply as hardware purchasing is not as simple as you might think from the outside. | 01:30 |
| flux | shadowjk, well, taking a 0.3Mpix (?) video is still a bit different from taking 5Mpix stills | 01:30 |
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| ShadowJK | flux, N900 takes 800x480 videos. E75 takes 640x480 videos | 01:31 |
| blizzow | The camera units are slightly different. The N97 is 2.8/5.4 and the N900 is 2.8/5.2 | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | both encode to h264 in mp4 container | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose chasing down the part numbers for the phone, and seeing if they are the same | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, the lens and assembly make alot of difference too | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Proteous: have you found a L1/L2 service manual for the n97 - is the camera removable? | 01:31 |
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| shinkamui | nice | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: the lens and the camera come in one unit | 01:31 |
| flux | shadowjk, well, one could easily think that the bandwidth from the image capturing chip is limited | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | My E75 has a flash which does not blind itself ;) | 01:32 |
| shinkamui | Xchat save preferences issue has been fixed | 01:32 |
| shinkamui | w00hoo! | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: nokia simply plug the whole camera and lens assembly into the motherboard. | 01:32 |
| Proteous | the size diffences is probably just a software thing to make use of the different screen l/w ratios | 01:32 |
| flux | shadowjk, and if the same chip does h264 and jpeg, the jpegs are still going to be a lot larger per second | 01:32 |
| ShadowJK | flux, it's raw from the capture chip, the compression is done on the SOC | 01:32 |
| ShadowJK | by the dsp, probably | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | The SoC has a JPEG compressor | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | it's apparantly not the DSP | 01:32 |
| ShadowJK | I hope it isn't used | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | or it is seperately mentioned. | 01:33 |
| flux | shadowjk, in that case I suppose it'd be easy to grab a few raw images and compress them later? | 01:33 |
| ShadowJK | The SOC has all that IVA stuff... but it's only accessible through DSP, I think, and not documented.. | 01:33 |
| * SpeedEvil _really_ wants a proper datasheet. | 01:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | flux: much of the stuff is not documented at all. | 01:33 |
| flux | speedevil, easy as in there are are no fundamental problems to be resolved, ie. a nokia engineer could do it easily?-) | 01:34 |
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| radic__ | #df @ irc.euirc.net rult | 01:35 |
| flux | but, I shall be off to sleep. happy new year etc. | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not sure those hw jpeg compressors and decompressors are worth it | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: they _vastly_ reduce the amount of data that needs to be thrown around. | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: especially in video | 01:36 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, as long as you can zero-copy it.. | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: and stuff that could be done by nokia doesn't mean... | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: it's not that simple. | 01:36 |
| ShadowJK | of course | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Busses in mobile devices often are not uncontended. | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: So transferring an image from the camera directly into memory will eat a fair amount of bandwidth. | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | But even if you had the camera connected straight to the SOC's camera interface, it still takes effort to make an efficient driver to take advantage of the jpeg compressor | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | On some mobiles, yes it supports DMA, but the memory controller does not support interleaved access so you block. | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: the way it generally works is that hte JPEG compressor module simply spits out a short frame with the image data in. | 01:38 |
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| ShadowJK | It'd be cool if it could stream mjpeg-style | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | maybe that's how they use it in digital cameras, actually... | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | My N900's uptime was reset from 28 days today :-( | 01:40 |
| simula_ | heh | 01:40 |
| shinkamui | lol | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | I switched it off to give my SIM card to my cousin who wanted to browse the intarwebs on his netbook | 01:40 |
| * ShadowJK didn't immediately find iptables in the repos to setup NAT and adhoc wifi share, so.. | 01:41 | |
| simula_ | his netbook takes a sim card? | 01:41 |
| woglinde | simula sure | 01:41 |
| simula_ | what model? | 01:41 |
| woglinde | my eeepc has gsm modem too | 01:41 |
| simula_ | hmmm, interesting | 01:41 |
| woglinde | eeepc 901 go | 01:41 |
| woglinde | thats why I bought it | 01:42 |
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| timeless | sp | 01:43 |
| timeless | about the google search item | 01:43 |
| KamuiN900 | yay | 01:43 |
| timeless | it's controlled by keyword.URL in about:config | 01:44 |
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| shinkamui | anyone able to get weave or xmarks working in MicroB | 01:47 |
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| Pavlov | weave might be a bit tough | 01:47 |
| shinkamui | I really dont know anything about browser plugin arch | 01:47 |
| shinkamui | so im not even sure where to start looking | 01:48 |
| shinkamui | and its not critical, just read a comment in the forums about someone getting weave AND xmarks working | 01:48 |
| shinkamui | but nothing else was written on it | 01:48 |
| Pavlov | i guess if you gutted most of the frontend it would mostly work | 01:49 |
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| shinkamui | yea, thats mostly what the forum said | 01:50 |
| shinkamui | use a config file from a working desktop | 01:50 |
| shinkamui | BUT, I can't get either plugin to install... | 01:50 |
| shinkamui | message about not made for this version | 01:51 |
| shinkamui | crap | 01:51 |
| shinkamui | where ARE the microB bookmarks stored | 01:54 |
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| pH5 | shinkamui: ~/.bookmarks ? | 01:57 |
| * shinkamui slaps himself | 01:57 | |
| shinkamui | once again, I am a fool, thanks :) | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Happy new year everyone! | 02:00 |
| * SpeedEvil has a resolution to get host mode working. | 02:01 | |
| woglinde_ | speedevil hm how? | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | http://techblog.gr/mobile/nokia-n900-teardown-08635/ | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | woglinde: by applying my coding hammer. | 02:03 |
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| pupnik | ok that board looks cool | 02:05 |
| woglinde_ | crazy grreks | 02:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | It is _EMPTY_ | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | compared to phones of only a couple of years ago | 02:06 |
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| Pavlov | maybe they should've made the phone smaller;p | 02:10 |
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| simula_ | i'm happy with the size :) | 02:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd like it ~10% larger in every dimension I think. | 02:15 |
| Pavlov | ew | 02:16 |
| Pavlov | i'd like it like half as thick | 02:16 |
| Pavlov | and screw the bevel around the screen | 02:16 |
| Pavlov | either put a bigger screen there or get rid of it | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a d-pad or two :) | 02:17 |
| simula_ | i agree with the screen size pavlov | 02:17 |
| Pavlov | my hd2 has a screen the size of the whole front of the n900 | 02:17 |
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| Dantonic | hey, anyone been able to use "the one ring" the telepathy google voice plugin? | 02:18 |
| Dantonic | does it work? | 02:18 |
| shinkamui | naah | 02:18 |
| shinkamui | doesn't appear to work | 02:18 |
| shinkamui | at the moment | 02:18 |
| Dantonic | ok | 02:18 |
| pupnik | Mer 0.17testing4 on N900 HOWTO http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38937 | 02:19 |
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| N900evil | pup, neat! | 02:26 |
| N900evil | pupnik, test | 02:27 |
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| wazd_e63 | HNY!!!! | 02:27 |
| N900evil | :) | 02:27 |
| wazd_e63 | Wooooooooo!!!!! | 02:28 |
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| pupnik | hi N900evil | 02:31 |
| pupnik | I hope Pleasant Goat is cheap | 02:31 |
| shinkamui | dudes | 02:32 |
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| shinkamui | will pc suite even sync bookmarks? | 02:32 |
| timeless | iirc it doesn't | 02:32 |
| shinkamui | ouch | 02:32 |
| timeless | we told them we weren't interested | 02:32 |
| shinkamui | that REALLY sucks then | 02:32 |
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| timeless | because the feature sets aren't remotely compatible | 02:33 |
| shinkamui | Ill have to convert my most wanted into xml | 02:33 |
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| timeless | bookmarks for nokia phones don't support folders | 02:33 |
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| timeless | whereas microb most certainly does | 02:33 |
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| shinkamui | timeless: so, at this point, my best bet to use a huge list of bookmarks I have would be to keep them online? | 02:35 |
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| timeless | i would | 02:36 |
| joppu | Are any of the synching plugins (weave, foxmarks) working on the MicroB? | 02:36 |
| shinkamui | misc reports of mild success | 02:36 |
| shinkamui | I can't get any of them to actually install | 02:36 |
| joppu | Or are you talking about moving them over from a s60 phone? | 02:36 |
| shinkamui | but its said you could use the config from a working desktop | 02:36 |
| shinkamui | talking about pc bookmarks to the N900 for use in microB | 02:36 |
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| joppu | Fennec should support Weave synch out of the box, but the browser itself is painfully slow | 02:39 |
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| timeless | joppu: did you see my comment about google search | 02:44 |
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| joppu | where? | 02:48 |
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| wazd_e63 | Wooooooooo!!!!! | 02:49 |
| timeless | about the google search item | 02:50 |
| timeless | it's controlled by keyword.URL in about:config | 02:50 |
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| shinkamui | fennec | 02:51 |
| shinkamui | to me | 02:51 |
| shinkamui | is like a massive shit | 02:52 |
| shinkamui | you might want to show it off at first | 02:52 |
| shinkamui | but its actual value becomes apparent shortly after | 02:52 |
| shinkamui | brb gonna run to the store and get some booze and cigars | 02:52 |
| shinkamui | :-D | 02:52 |
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| joppu | shinkamui: hey, open FF, bookmarks->organize... , Import&backup->export HTML, save the file on the device, open MicroB, open menu->import bookmarks, select the file | 02:56 |
| shinkamui | oh cool, didn't even realize there was an import option | 02:57 |
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| joppu | timeless: what's that related to? | 02:59 |
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| joppu | Also by the way I reported a bug related to the browser: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7498 | 03:05 |
| povbot` | Bug 7498: Tapping a half selected bookmark causes the list to jump | 03:05 |
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| angasule_ | ah, server is down :( | 03:08 |
| angasule_ | admin probably spilt vodka on it | 03:14 |
| cehteh | happy new year | 03:18 |
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| angasule_ | happy new year :) | 03:20 |
| N900evil | A Happy 2010 to all! | 03:25 |
| GAN900 | Early! | 03:25 |
| N900evil | not here. | 03:26 |
| N900evil | 1:25 here - uk | 03:26 |
| timeless | joppu: people complained about not being able to change what happened when they click the google search entry in the url completion popup | 03:27 |
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| shinkamui | penis butter | 03:37 |
| shinkamui | Maemo built in apps are restricted by where they can browse!?!? | 03:37 |
| shinkamui | reminds me of the iPhone | 03:37 |
| shinkamui | grrrrr | 03:37 |
| villager | what kind of restriction? | 03:38 |
| pupnik | he wants to be able to delete system files from the gui | 03:40 |
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| pupnik | a winner is you! | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting. | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/nokia-n900-teardown-reveals-smartphone-semantics/ | 03:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'when we were reassembling the n900, one of the screwheads broke' | 03:41 |
| type_t | $sudo rm /tmp/.X0-lock $ sudo nautilus | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | So there is a reason not to reuse screws I guess | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | they did note that the screen screws were very tight. | 03:41 |
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| pupnik | "For the slightly above average user, the N900 is great. For Linux users, the N900 will replace your fleshlight. " - livefreeordie, from t.m.o ;) | 03:46 |
| pupnik | pretty much sums it up | 03:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | fleshlight? | 03:47 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik, lol! awesome :) | 03:48 |
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| ShadowJK | CutMeOwnThroat, fleshlight = synthetic vagina | 03:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh dear... what if you didn't have one to replace, though | 03:49 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, guess this suggests every linux user has one | 03:49 |
| ShadowJK | It's one step below replacing a girlfriend | 03:51 |
| pupnik | CutMeOwnThroat: that is part of why it is so funny | 03:51 |
| pupnik | particularly as i chose to catch up on some maemo reading instead of going out tonight :D | 03:52 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I chose to catch a cold instead of going out tonight :( | 03:52 |
| pupnik | keep warm, drink hot liquids with vitamin c | 03:53 |
| joppu | timeless: well, I wasn't | 03:53 |
| shinkamui | or pupnik | 03:55 |
| shinkamui | or | 03:55 |
| shinkamui | drink | 03:55 |
| shinkamui | lots of whiskey | 03:55 |
| shinkamui | especially jack or chivas regal | 03:56 |
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| shinkamui | do I need thet load applet to take screenies? | 03:59 |
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| Caesium | it's the easiest way I found to do it | 04:01 |
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| GAN900 | CutMeOwnThroat, I did my cold for Christmas. | 04:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | right | 04:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | GAN900, guess I'll watch the fireworks inside me :) | 04:07 |
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| pupnik | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=447644&postcount=5 Palm user Hakapes shares favorite palmOS apps, interesting ideas for maemo / n900 projects galore... | 04:20 |
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| shinkamui | nice | 04:26 |
| shinkamui | fworks inside me | 04:26 |
| shinkamui | :) | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Ideas are not the problem. | 04:27 |
| shinkamui | here's something silly to mention | 04:29 |
| shinkamui | the skype plugin | 04:29 |
| shinkamui | doesn't allow you to autoprefix numbers for dialing contacts | 04:29 |
| shinkamui | so its useless for calling contacts with skypeout unless you do it manually, or edit the contact number to be in international format | 04:29 |
| shinkamui | or am I missing something | 04:29 |
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| cosmo_ | anyone from san francisco awake? | 04:31 |
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| shinkamui | fook | 04:32 |
| shinkamui | is there no way to keep some images from showing up in the picture viewer? | 04:32 |
| DaSilva | can someone help me with qstardict? | 04:33 |
| shinkamui | 1, I have a ton of remote control button skins showing up that I dont wnat | 04:33 |
| shinkamui | and then I have a bunch of dirty porn I dont want visible to just anyone | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It should really support groups. | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | So you could add selected users to the dirtyporn group. | 04:33 |
| shinkamui | :-D | 04:34 |
| DaSilva | where do i have to extract the dictionaries? | 04:34 |
| shinkamui | but seriously, at least let me set the default folder | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | This is another reason why vfat is bad. You can't etup groups. | 04:34 |
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| n900user | Hi chatting with pidgin on n900. Could be easier - miss irssi | 04:36 |
| shinkamui | im still not sure how I feel about pidgin on the N900 | 04:36 |
| N900evil | try xchat | 04:36 |
| shinkamui | seems to kill the battery in comparison to the various plugins | 04:36 |
| shinkamui | xchat rocks | 04:37 |
| N900evil | or apt-get install irssi | 04:37 |
| shinkamui | today a new version came out with preferences fixed | 04:37 |
| shinkamui | how useful is irssi without an alt key | 04:37 |
| shinkamui | :) | 04:37 |
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| N900evil | I don't think it's the plugins. | 04:37 |
| pupnik | i use mostly ctrl and esc combos in irssi | 04:37 |
| n900user | Irssi isn't available. | 04:37 |
| pupnik | ctrl-n for next window... | 04:37 |
| N900evil | it's 3g is you use it | 04:37 |
| N900evil | sure it is. | 04:38 |
| N900evil | enable extras-devel | 04:38 |
| pupnik | the main advantage of irssi is to leave it running on my server in a 'screen' session, then connect to that as i wish from the n900 | 04:38 |
| DaSilva | where do i have to extract the dictionaries for qstardict?? | 04:38 |
| pupnik | returning to a channel, i can /lastlog various patterns to see what/whom i missed | 04:38 |
| n900user | I find the number of program available somewhat lacking. I have non-free selected (it's the default) | 04:39 |
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| n900user | There is no unzip package | 04:41 |
| SplasPood | there is in devel, I believe | 04:41 |
| N900evil | unzip and unrar | 04:41 |
| N900evil | and yes. stuff is lacking. | 04:42 |
| n900user | I'd rather wait as i need a stable phone | 04:42 |
| N900evil | but it's getting better. | 04:42 |
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| n900user | Also would like a remote control program | 04:42 |
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| N900evil | I installed a super-fast and lightweight browser today from extras devel. | 04:43 |
| n900user | This phone has a lot of potential though | 04:43 |
| N900evil | renders pages lots faster than microb | 04:43 |
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| pupnik | for comparison, we have a lot more apps and libraries available than 2 months after the N800 release. | 04:44 |
| pupnik | at least that's my peeling | 04:44 |
| timeless_mbp | n900user: you're afraid that zip/unzip from devel will be unstable? | 04:44 |
| n900user | Does anyone know if i can teather? I want to go from tmobile's 3g to the n900 over wifi to a linux box. | 04:45 |
| SplasPood | n900user yes you can | 04:45 |
| timeless_mbp | n900user: you can, but there's no ui -package that i know of | 04:45 |
| SplasPood | I'm not 100% about wifi | 04:45 |
| n900user | I'm afraid to add devel then to update. | 04:45 |
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| SplasPood | but I'm pretty sure. | 04:45 |
| N900evil | I don't think via wifi is setup | 04:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | n900user: don't update | 04:45 |
| SplasPood | I think I saw one | 04:46 |
| timeless_mbp | check for updates, add devel, install zip/unzip, disable devel | 04:46 |
| N900evil | it brings down the wifi interface when the phone comes up. | 04:46 |
| n900user | Over usb would be good to just dont have the cord now | 04:46 |
| N900evil | usbg works | 04:46 |
| SplasPood | there's bluetooth DUN | 04:46 |
| N900evil | as does bt | 04:46 |
| SplasPood | you could also open a terminal I suppose and use iptables... | 04:47 |
| n900user | The soapwidth game is difficult to play. Fire is the space bar. Hard to hold the phone and shoot. | 04:48 |
| N900evil | spla, nope. | 04:49 |
| N900evil | it brings down the wifi interface when the phone comes up. | 04:49 |
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| SplasPood | and you cannot manually bring it back up via the command line? | 04:50 |
| N900evil | and viceversa | 04:50 |
| N900evil | no | 04:50 |
| N900evil | at least not easily | 04:50 |
| n900user | Also google maps is hard to use- no dragging. Cant street view | 04:50 |
| N900evil | the tools are not there | 04:50 |
| N900evil | drag from left edge into browser window | 04:50 |
| N900evil | tap pointer | 04:51 |
| N900evil | drag | 04:51 |
| n900user | Don't mean to complain just looking to improve it. I'll make a list later | 04:51 |
| n900user | Ah i'll try it. | 04:51 |
| shinkamui | granted, I love the fact that the browser is so powerful | 04:52 |
| shinkamui | but I HATE doing stuff in the browser | 04:52 |
| shinkamui | maybe the iBone changed my way of thinking, but I actually prefer dedicated apps for some things, like google maps and facebook | 04:53 |
| n900user | Yes | 04:53 |
| timeless_mbp | n900user: did you try it? | 04:53 |
| n900user | Dedicated apps needed | 04:53 |
| n900user | Couldn't drag still. Tap the resize icon first? | 04:54 |
| pupnik | is zip/unzip not ready for promotion timeless_mbp ? | 04:54 |
| n900user | Or the top left of browser? | 04:55 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: dunno | 04:55 |
| pupnik | k i'll check em | 04:55 |
| timeless_mbp | n900user: try following directions | 04:55 |
| timeless_mbp | drag from the left _screen_ edge _right_ into the browser window | 04:55 |
| timeless_mbp | tap the cursor icon you see at the bottom left corner of the browser content area | 04:56 |
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| n900user | Yes that did it.. | 04:57 |
| n900user | Thanks! | 04:57 |
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| auenf | anyone tried pairing a n900 to a euro focus/mondeo stereo? | 04:58 |
| n900user | This phone just became a lot cooler | 04:58 |
| auenf | i have to have more luck than the irish to get the n810 to pait | 04:59 |
| auenf | pair | 04:59 |
| n900user | What would be involved in getting a app say irssi into the repository? | 04:59 |
| auenf | is it in extras-testing? | 05:00 |
| jebba | n900user: it's already in extras-testing or -devel | 05:00 |
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| n900user | Oh sweet | 05:01 |
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| n900user | Must say i like this phone better than anything. | 05:02 |
| n900user | I saw an app on a new htc. It would show you the stars you would see if you were not looking at the screen of a phone | 05:03 |
| user54555553 | how do i get flv to play? | 05:03 |
| n900user | Very much like the attitude program if it had a background image | 05:04 |
| pupnik | cool | 05:04 |
| n900user | I'd like to have attitude have a dynamic background image that would work with google street view | 05:05 |
| pupnik | my idea was to let kids spray virtual graffitti with their n900s | 05:06 |
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| pupnik | also sharing only with certain users | 05:06 |
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| pupnik | but getting that kind of accuracy wouldn't be so easy imo | 05:07 |
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| n900user | That would be cool how to view it? | 05:07 |
| pupnik | or hold up phone, point to a store, and see sales, offers | 05:07 |
| N900evil | there is no compass | 05:08 |
| pupnik | device would have to recognize the surface using advanced algorithms | 05:08 |
| pupnik | yep | 05:08 |
| N900evil | so you can't easily | 05:08 |
| n900user | I think the gps issues are too great for that now | 05:08 |
| pupnik | hey, i can dream with the rest of them | 05:08 |
| N900evil | gps does not give orientation | 05:09 |
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| pupnik | actually doing stuff is hard, and results are much more modest | 05:09 |
| n900user | I've never gotten the gps to work | 05:09 |
| N900evil | reall? | 05:09 |
| pupnik | yeah really | 05:09 |
| N900evil | even turning on network assist? | 05:09 |
| N900evil | outside? | 05:09 |
| n900user | Yeah with net. Assist | 05:09 |
| N900evil | wfm | 05:09 |
| n900user | I'll give it a shot in an open field next time | 05:10 |
| SplasPood | n900user: what server are you using | 05:10 |
| angasule | meh, too many fireworks, I don't like it :/ | 05:10 |
| angasule | I think something hit the roof | 05:10 |
| n900user | It was the default, want me to check? | 05:10 |
| auenf | fireworks was so last night | 05:10 |
| SplasPood | n900user: are you on tmobile? | 05:10 |
| angasule | isn't the N900's GPS better? | 05:11 |
| n900user | Yes tmobile's | 05:11 |
| Tester | angasule: yea, network positioning really helps | 05:12 |
| angasule | ah, hmm, strange, I have an N810 and it works well here, but I have to try it out in downtown Buenos Aires | 05:13 |
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| n900user | I tried it in san diego and san francisco both not working. I only let it sit for 1 minute | 05:14 |
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| pupnik | i have a spell that helps gps, but it involves a chicken and midnight rituals | 05:25 |
| N900evil | and ginger, lemon, and a frying pan? | 05:26 |
| pupnik | i was thinking of the scene from 'The Serpent and the Rainbow' | 05:26 |
| n900user | Perhaps i could help test some devel programs to speed up the process? | 05:26 |
| pupnik | yeah i'm running through some right now .. http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ | 05:27 |
| pupnik | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#Packages_waiting_to_be_evaluated but read first | 05:28 |
| n900user | How does the decision get made? | 05:28 |
| pupnik | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist and read second | 05:28 |
| n900user | Sorry posted late | 05:29 |
| pupnik | the checklist is the key | 05:29 |
| pupnik | if we vote-up dodgy packages, people will install them and say 'N900 sux!' and we really don't want that | 05:30 |
| Proteous | +1 for use of the word "dodgy" | 05:30 |
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| AakashPatel | hmm is only 30380 KB free on rootfs with only a few apps installed normal? | 05:44 |
| jebba | firefox mobile (fennec) rc1 is out http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/ | 05:49 |
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| AakashPatel | jebba: cool. | 05:52 |
| AakashPatel | Oh, that reminds me, on FF, how do i get a pointer? | 05:52 |
| AakashPatel | like on Maemo's browser you just drag from the left | 05:52 |
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| AakashPatel | oh, an also..how do i zoom o.o | 05:56 |
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| n900user | I'm having trouble with a password field in a webpage. Their authentication thinks no password was entered and a javascript based error is returned | 06:02 |
| go1dfish | n900user: onchange is not correctly implemented in the browser | 06:04 |
| go1dfish | afaik, you're screwed until PR1.1 | 06:04 |
| go1dfish | or use an alternative browser | 06:04 |
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| pupnik | openstreetmap is freakin awesome. somebody entered a ton of stuff for my town. | 06:12 |
| pupnik | including the 2000-year-old roman limes wall | 06:12 |
| pupnik | the paths through the woods... the creek in front of my house, with bends and ponds | 06:13 |
| AakashPatel | someone `df` their phone | 06:13 |
| AakashPatel | whats the amount you have free on rootfs | 06:13 |
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| pupnik | http://paste.debian.net/55338/ | 06:14 |
| pupnik | pymaemo... [no comment] | 06:14 |
| AakashPatel | ah hmm does hte amount in rootfs determine the amout of apps we can instlall? | 06:15 |
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| AakashPatel | or are apps in a diff partition | 06:15 |
| pupnik | ~ $ dpkg -l | grep ^ii |wc -l | 06:16 |
| pupnik | 1767 | 06:16 |
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| pupnik | 1767 packages installed... | 06:16 |
| pupnik | the apps are split between components in rootfs and /opt | 06:16 |
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| pupnik | wb luck and a good new year to you | 06:17 |
| pupnik | lcukn900: | 06:17 |
| AakashPatel | hmm how do you make the carrot? | 06:17 |
| pupnik | i am ssh'd into the n900 | 06:17 |
| AakashPatel | oh | 06:17 |
| AakashPatel | cuz i dont htink you can on the n900 | 06:17 |
| AakashPatel | :/ | 06:17 |
| pupnik | but you can add any characters you want to the terminal bar | 06:17 |
| AakashPatel | orly? | 06:17 |
| * AakashPatel looks | 06:17 | |
| pupnik | yarly. it's done with gconf. russkie posted it | 06:18 |
| pupnik | iirc | 06:18 |
| lcukn900 | happy new year pupnik. hope yours is smoother than the last one | 06:18 |
| AakashPatel | k brb | 06:18 |
| pupnik | will do lcuk. will do. | 06:18 |
| AakashPatel | back | 06:20 |
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| pupnik | I am noticing a lot of 'build failed'. Looks like submitting is quite a learning process.. | 06:23 |
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| lcukn900 | build fails because someone uploaded debconf to -devel | 06:24 |
| type_t | pupnik you want real cool maps of your town.. in a high tech format.. for you desktop ofcourse. not handheld.. | 06:24 |
| lcukn900 | it happened yesterday afternoon, been looking for x-fade or es since to clear it | 06:24 |
| lcukn900 | ed | 06:25 |
| AakashPatel | erm i think i accidently pinged you lol | 06:27 |
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| pupnik | /usr/bin/intellisyncd 1740 kB | 06:28 |
| pupnik | /usr/bin/unzip 328 kB | 06:29 |
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| pupnik | na du berliner | 06:29 |
| pupnik | prost | 06:30 |
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| n900user | How can i browse programs available in devel? | 06:34 |
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| lcukn900 | n900user by adding the wildly unstable -devel repository. | 06:37 |
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| b-man[away] | heh | 06:39 |
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| GAN900 | Happy New Year from EST, everybody. :) | 07:00 |
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| type_t | NEW YORK NEW YORK! | 07:00 |
| b-man17 | YESSS!!!!!!! | 07:00 |
| b-man17 | it's now 2010 :D | 07:00 |
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| doc|home | b-man17: please tell me it's better than 2009 :( | 07:01 |
| b-man17 | i hope ;) | 07:01 |
| type_t | \o/ New YORK \o/ \o/ \o/ NEW York! | 07:01 |
| b-man17 | xDDDDDDD | 07:02 |
| doc|home | er, ok | 07:02 |
| b-man17 | (>^_^)><(^_^)><(^_^<)(>^_^)><(^_^)><(^_^<) w00t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xD | 07:03 |
| b-man17 | a new decade :) | 07:03 |
| go1dfish | doc|home: wouldn't take much | 07:04 |
| b-man17 | c ya | 07:05 |
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| pupnik | if your scratchbox maemo vmware sdk is interfering with your keyboard operation, start the vmware appliance in a vnc or nx session | 07:11 |
| pupnik | worked for me, at least | 07:12 |
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| Proteous | god, now I'm going to have to remember to write a different date on everything | 07:28 |
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| luke-jr | Proteous: you have to do that every day | 07:32 |
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| jza | does anyone know if a screen protector for the N97 will workin on the N900? | 07:36 |
| luke-jr | jza: what does the N97 have to do with the N900? | 07:36 |
| luke-jr | *nothing*! | 07:37 |
| jza | they are both phones | 07:37 |
| jza | they both have a screen | 07:37 |
| jza | and they both can scratch | 07:37 |
| jza | luke-jr: so both could have a need for a screen protector | 07:38 |
| luke-jr | N900 is not a phone | 07:39 |
| luke-jr | but I thought you said *projector*, so my bad | 07:39 |
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| lucent | jza: Zagg makes a screen protector for the N900 | 07:53 |
| lucent | jza: I'm using the Zagg full body shield on my N900, it's a very good protection for the device, and it was nigh impossible to apply | 07:54 |
| lucent | doesn't show any sign of peeling or a chance in hell of coming off if I wanted it to though | 07:54 |
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| pupnik | get a list of installed packages installed on your N900, sorted by size! dpkg-query --show --showformat='${Package;-50}\t${Installed-Size}\n' | sort -k2 -n | 08:12 |
| lucent | ha - the negatory response to connecting with BlueMaemo app is "Damn." | 08:24 |
| lucent | pupnik: still looking for a trick to figure out which installed packages take up the most rootfs space | 08:25 |
| lucent | vs say /opt | 08:25 |
| pupnik | ls -1s /usr/bin |sort -n ? | 08:26 |
| pupnik | a few put significant libraries in /usr/lib | 08:27 |
| lucent | hrm, does BlueMaemo work for you and Ubuntu? | 08:30 |
| lucent | I mean using BlueMaemo on an N900 to act as mouse for Ubuntu target | 08:30 |
| pupnik | hey that's cool | 08:31 |
| pupnik | will it do keyboard also? | 08:31 |
| lucent | yeah | 08:31 |
| pupnik | hello HTPC! :D | 08:31 |
| lucent | I can't get it to hold a connection to my Ubuntu machine though when I choose a mode (like keyboard) | 08:32 |
| pupnik | if it's really a problem, we could probably get synergy+wlan working using device to steer | 08:32 |
| pupnik | but maybe bluemaemo allows for more automation | 08:33 |
| lucent | nevemind, I got if to work | 08:37 |
| pupnik | if there's something ppl need to know please add comments | 08:37 |
| lucent | the accuracy is not teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 08:37 |
| lucent | ah sorry about that | 08:38 |
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| lucent | I'm not really sure what to say - it worked for about 1 minute | 08:38 |
| lucent | I had to wait-for-connection from within Blue Maemo and then connect to it from the Ubuntu Bluetooth connection preferences dialog | 08:39 |
| lucent | going the other way around wouldn't work at all | 08:39 |
| pupnik | setting up bluetooth on my linux PC was 'fun' like configuring a soundblaster in 1995 | 08:40 |
| lucent | it is simple in Ubuntu | 08:41 |
| pupnik | that's what ubuntu does best | 08:42 |
| * cehteh rather wants the other way around, use the laptops keyboard and mouse for the n900 | 08:42 | |
| cehteh | have to play with x2x for that, but hildon is really bad with mouse | 08:43 |
| pupnik | on 770 and N810 i used synergy all the time to control device with keybd/mouse | 08:43 |
| cehteh | can connect my bluetooth mouse, but without a cursor its no much fun :P .. scroll wheel works at last | 08:43 |
| pupnik | runs on n900 too | 08:43 |
| cehteh | x2x is way more nice when you only want to connect x servers | 08:43 |
| pupnik | thanks i'll look into it | 08:44 |
| cehteh | less resources, less latency, easier to configure | 08:44 |
| cehteh | x2x -wait -north -to starbase.pipapo.org:0 | 08:44 |
| cehteh | rather no config at all just a few commandline opts :) | 08:45 |
| pupnik | gimme | 08:45 |
| cehteh | but the n900 xserver doesnt listen on tcp and i rather dont want to change that :) so ssh tunnel ftw | 08:46 |
| pupnik | where did you get x2x binary? | 08:47 |
| cehteh | you only need that on one side (where you use the keybaord and mouse) | 08:47 |
| cehteh | its packaged for most distis | 08:48 |
| pupnik | that sounds awesome | 08:48 |
| cehteh | other server needs the xtest extension, i didnt looked in that is enabled on the n900 .. but enabling it is quite common | 08:48 |
| lucent | today I mailed my rebate application for the US N900 Ovi Store sign up | 08:49 |
| cehteh | uses some x protocoll magic rather than client/server like synergy | 08:49 |
| lucent | despite there being no Ovi Store to sign up for | 08:49 |
| lucent | I hope to hell it gets honored anyways | 08:49 |
| cehteh | what app is that? | 08:50 |
| lucent | cehteh: hm? | 08:52 |
| cehteh | my case is finished, 1st try looks bit prototypish :) | 08:52 |
| pupnik | 'battery low' sounds like a sad R2D2 :) | 08:54 |
| lucent | ha yeah it does | 08:54 |
| pupnik | case for what cehteh | 08:54 |
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| cehteh | n900 | 08:55 |
| cehteh | (what else) | 08:55 |
| lucent | oh um, sewing? hard case? | 08:55 |
| cehteh | both :) vacuum molded shells and then neoprene laminated/sewed | 08:56 |
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| pupnik | oops, i got two instances of cpu-load applet running | 08:59 |
| * cehteh will make some photos and put them on the server | 09:00 | |
| cehteh | well i already have few | 09:01 |
| pupnik | i've seen a book on homemade vacuum-moulding. seems like a lot of work. how did you manage it? | 09:02 |
| cehteh | yeah with a lot of work :) .. well i once learned that as job | 09:03 |
| cehteh | while this is really homemade stuff now :) | 09:03 |
| pupnik | very. cool. | 09:03 |
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| pupnik | this is a protective case or something with added function? | 09:04 |
| pupnik | konttori's game-controller shell project could use your skills | 09:05 |
| pupnik | i was going to dremel something out of wood | 09:05 |
| cehteh | http://lumiera.org/n900_case1.jpg | 09:05 |
| cehteh | well except no keyboard its useable while protecting it | 09:06 |
| pupnik | cool surface! | 09:07 |
| pupnik | btw i tried the index.theme trick from n800 to show x pointer and it doesn't seem to work | 09:07 |
| pupnik | even copied x-xcursor.xml over | 09:07 |
| cehteh | i made the photo with the n900 itself so no photo while its in the case yet :) | 09:08 |
| pupnik | it would reduce protection but you could cut 4mm off the top edge to allow sliding screen up | 09:09 |
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| cehteh | http://lumiera.org/n900_case2.jpg | 09:11 |
| cehteh | other side | 09:11 |
| cehteh | nah the bottom is really a tight fitting shell there is no easy room for sliding and even if you could slide it out, it will become bit instable | 09:12 |
| cehteh | the sides are open, for speakers and jacks | 09:13 |
| cehteh | hehe and i cursed earlier because its so tight that i had to try to get the device out for 10 minutes... until i found the right way out :) | 09:14 |
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| pupnik | http://www.flickr.com/photos/32856926@N06/4027160411/sizes/l/in/set-72157622622073500/ cool summit pics | 09:15 |
| cehteh | so made some pics with device inside .. moment | 09:20 |
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| cehteh | http://lumiera.org/n900_case3.jpg | 09:26 |
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| cehteh | http://lumiera.org/n900_case4.jpg .. and finally | 09:29 |
| cehteh | better pix next time .. maybe i make a better one, this one was just a first tr | 09:29 |
| cehteh | y | 09:29 |
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| pwnguin | its too bad n900 is single touch | 09:45 |
| pwnguin | makes the touch screen game controller a bit worthless | 09:45 |
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| lucent | cehteh: thanks for sharing pictures, that is a very slick prototype | 09:59 |
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| lucent | I am not overly impressed by the Nokia CP-321 case for the N900 | 10:00 |
| lucent | better than nothing, but not by a lot | 10:00 |
| shinkamui | lol | 10:00 |
| shinkamui | haven't even looked into a case | 10:00 |
| lucent | it would have been at least critically important to allow the device to charge while in the case IMO | 10:00 |
| shinkamui | having connection problems tonight | 10:00 |
| lucent | ah | 10:01 |
| lucent | well I see no reason that the only access the CP-321 allows is to get the stylus | 10:01 |
| cehteh | yeah, i made it by myself because no one fits my requirements: good impact potection & useable at the same time | 10:01 |
| cehteh | a simple neoprene bag gives no much protection | 10:01 |
| lucent | yeah "chuck it in a backpack" test | 10:01 |
| cehteh | lather case neither | 10:02 |
| cehteh | and with most ones you have to pull it out to handle it | 10:02 |
| cehteh | well now i can play n900fly :) | 10:02 |
| * lucent grins | 10:02 | |
| lucent | I wish there was a ski app | 10:02 |
| lucent | I want a graph of my snowboarding runs | 10:03 |
| RST38h | there is one | 10:03 |
| RST38h | it is called Braek | 10:03 |
| lucent | har | 10:03 |
| lucent | N900 sits in a pouch in my backpack | 10:03 |
| lucent | I've superman'ed and endo'ed without ill effect | 10:04 |
| * cehteh thinks about making another biggier case where i can put the neoprene shell in .. watertight for biking | 10:06 | |
| cehteh | made from plexiglas or so, the device will become inaccessible then but really well sealed | 10:06 |
| pupnik | maybe i'll grease this one up and set it in a dish of silicone caulk | 10:06 |
| cehteh | hehe | 10:07 |
| pupnik | always wanted to try that. perhaps not with a n900 though. | 10:07 |
| cehteh | silicone is prone to cutting good against impacts, but sharp edges are to be prevented | 10:08 |
| cehteh | i was thinking about polyurethane resin .. | 10:09 |
| jX | I think about polyurethane resin a lot. | 10:09 |
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| lucent | cehteh: "otter box" is a very well recommended case for the Apple devices | 10:16 |
| lucent | I think without a slider the iPhone can be better protected | 10:17 |
| cehteh | a friend of me has a otter box for his n810 | 10:17 |
| * RST38h looks at centeh and jX with concern | 10:17 | |
| cehteh | looks a bit like a sandwitch box :P | 10:17 |
| * jX casts RST38h a polyurethane resin and makes a mold for duplicates. | 10:17 | |
| lucent | otter box for the n810? does it retain slider and keyboard access? | 10:17 |
| RST38h | urgh | 10:17 |
| cehteh | http://www.christeck.de/wp/2009/02/28/nokia-n810-in-a-home-grown-bike-mount/ | 10:18 |
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| pupnik | the durability of n900 is stunning to me. and i don't want to describe in detail why. | 10:21 |
| pupnik | cehteh: that dude does a lot of cool stuff | 10:21 |
| cehteh | yep | 10:21 |
| pupnik | oh you know him? | 10:22 |
| pupnik | lol i just discovered his site a few hours ago and sent him a nice-gram | 10:22 |
| cehteh | yes a friend if me :) | 10:22 |
| cehteh | he does a lot for osm | 10:23 |
| jX | so, on the n900, can I send a file (specifically a pic) via bluetooth to another device like my PC? I'm not seeing anything jump out at me. | 10:23 |
| pupnik | i just started my first osm edit - 95 km^2. I am missing street names though. | 10:23 |
| pupnik | Is that because i chose a large area (woods) or because osm2go doesn't do street labels? | 10:24 |
| cehteh | i dont do osm .. well here in karlsruhe is not much left to map anyways :P | 10:24 |
| pupnik | ah k | 10:24 |
| cehteh | we have a strong community here :) | 10:24 |
| * RST38h suddenly gets a perfect idea for a screen widget | 10:24 | |
| RST38h | A little square button that directly starts the "More.." app menu | 10:25 |
| * FIQ lost | 10:25 | |
| pupnik | my town of 25k seems to have 12 osm contributors. they mapped a ton of stuff. | 10:25 |
| pupnik | nice RST38h. I moved my favorites to first menu though, which now has about 20 entries | 10:26 |
| cehteh | mhm is maemo mapper so much broken on n900 still? | 10:26 |
| pupnik | It shows me where i am driving... | 10:27 |
| RST38h | pupnik: have you used that config files hack? | 10:28 |
| cehteh | i try to configure repositories and cachingg / downloading maps in advance | 10:28 |
| RST38h | yea, downloading does not work very well in the current maemo mapper build | 10:28 |
| cehteh | maybe anyone could try to port viking to maemo | 10:30 |
| cehteh | vikin.sf.net | 10:30 |
| cehteh | viking.sf.net | 10:30 |
| pupnik | i would also appreciate less "ET Phooone Hoome" from N900 map application | 10:34 |
| cehteh | yeah i dont like it, mamemo mapper is the way to go | 10:35 |
| cehteh | just some way ahead | 10:35 |
| pupnik | viking looks ok! but i'd prefer an osm2go client that defaults to act like a map viewer/follower | 10:37 |
| * cehteh considers for another app which changes online precence state and profile depending on some rules | 10:37 | |
| cehteh | osm2go looks bit resource intensive .. managing raw osm data | 10:37 |
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| pupnik | i was hoping for something that acted like a lightweight gps map, then let me switch to osm2go edit mode | 10:38 |
| cehteh | btw the default/demo map of osm2go is karlsruhe, the city where i live :P | 10:38 |
| RST38h | maep | 10:38 |
| pupnik | do you think this would be a good addon to the osm2go client? | 10:38 |
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| pupnik | maep will work offline? | 10:39 |
| cehteh | didnt tried maep yet | 10:39 |
| lucent | jX: the way I do this is (from Ubuntu) select the connected N900 device via bluetooth settings applet on Ubuntu, and Browse Files of N900 device | 10:40 |
| cehteh | i dont want a too simple app, but it doesnt need to rendermaps on the device, i need my battery | 10:40 |
| lucent | jX: it's not exactly a send-to but more like a get-from, does this make sense? | 10:40 |
| jX | yeah | 10:40 |
| jX | little irritating. | 10:40 |
| jX | but slightly easier than finding theusb cable | 10:41 |
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| KamuiN900 | hehehe | 10:44 |
| lucent | jX: I had no alternative on the other phone I've owned, so I'm very much used to this | 10:44 |
| lucent | jX: the photos are in Data/DCIM/... | 10:45 |
| jX | my former phone was a Nokia 6650, with symbian. | 10:45 |
| KamuiN900 | edge is actually useable on this thing | 10:45 |
| jX | yeah, I found them | 10:45 |
| KamuiN900 | im in lust | 10:45 |
| KamuiN900 | time to jackerbate | 10:45 |
| lucent | KamuiN900: ha | 10:45 |
| lucent | I am stuck with EDGE | 10:45 |
| jX | on my 6650 I could find a file, select the menu, and pick "Sent Via" | 10:45 |
| lucent | no 3G anywhere around here | 10:45 |
| jX | me to, AT&T fail | 10:45 |
| lucent | Tmobile here, just no 3G service | 10:45 |
| go1dfish | I got you all beat, I have no edge even where im at for the holidays :P | 10:46 |
| go1dfish | no signal whatsoever, might as well pull out my sim card | 10:47 |
| lucent | black rock city, nv? | 10:47 |
| go1dfish | 3.5g on tmobile back at home though :) | 10:47 |
| lucent | no wait, even they have a cell tower now | 10:47 |
| go1dfish | nah, the outskirts of nowhere, north carolina | 10:47 |
| lucent | ah okay | 10:47 |
| lucent | tmobile has a convoluted web interface for billing and payments | 10:47 |
| lucent | I liked how slick and clean AT&T's billing interface was | 10:48 |
| go1dfish | never been on at&t | 10:48 |
| lucent | too bad AT&T wanted $50/month for basic service no text no internet | 10:48 |
| dmj7261 | My mom just got an n900. | 10:48 |
| lucent | paying $45.06/month now for tmobile 500 minutes, no text, unlimited internet | 10:49 |
| lucent | dmj7261: wow, your mom is pretty clued in? | 10:49 |
| dmj7261 | She liked what she saw from mine. | 10:49 |
| go1dfish | cool, im paying 60 a month for 500 min, unlimited text/internet no contract | 10:49 |
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| jX | yeah, she liked what she ssaw of mine, too. | 10:49 |
| go1dfish | just about anyone in my family would end up throwing the n900 out a window | 10:50 |
| go1dfish | there are some people who just shouldn't use computers | 10:50 |
| go1dfish | i.e. people who don't want to think at all, about anything | 10:50 |
| dmj7261 | We managed to save $15 a month going from verizon to tmobile while adding unlimited text for everybody and 2 data plans. | 10:50 |
| lucent | tmobile is definitely the value if they have service where you are | 10:51 |
| dmj7261 | My mom needs some help from me setting it up, but seems happy with it so far. | 10:51 |
| lucent | dmj7261: oh, two N900's in the family? | 10:51 |
| dmj7261 | It seems to be anywhere between half bars on 2g and full 3.5 depending on if I'm in a large metal framed building. | 10:52 |
| dmj7261 | Yep. | 10:52 |
| dmj7261 | That's new as of this morning. | 10:52 |
| go1dfish | dmj7261: you tried sticking it in 3g only mode? | 10:52 |
| dmj7261 | no I haven't. I didn't knwo you could. | 10:52 |
| go1dfish | my house has good 3.5 g coverage, but relatively crappy 2g oddly enough, and in dual mode the n900 will still sometimes switch back and forth | 10:52 |
| dmj7261 | hmm | 10:53 |
| go1dfish | I get better battery life going 3g only (at home) | 10:53 |
| lucent | I guess you'd need a 3g signal to do that htrick? | 10:53 |
| go1dfish | yeah | 10:53 |
| go1dfish | the similar concept applies though | 10:53 |
| go1dfish | if you only have 2g coverage | 10:53 |
| go1dfish | you save the power of periodically powering both radios to see whats available | 10:53 |
| go1dfish | i.e. go into 2g only mode | 10:54 |
| lucent | oh no way, what's the trick? documented anywhere? | 10:54 |
| cehteh | there was some discussion on the forum, switching 2G/3G frequently is the worst | 10:54 |
| dmj7261 | how do you do that? | 10:54 |
| FIQ | are you stuck with qwerty when using N900? | 10:54 |
| cehteh | settings -> telephone | 10:54 |
| cehteh | i also only enabled 2g, dont need more in most cases and conserves power the best | 10:55 |
| cehteh | some switcher from the status menu would be nice | 10:55 |
| go1dfish | FIQ: instead of? | 10:55 |
| lucent | oh here "Network mode > Dual" is not selectable | 10:55 |
| cehteh | well most of the time i have celluar turned off :) | 10:55 |
| dmj7261 | strangely, my mom was impressed with all the apps available | 10:55 |
| FIQ | insteaf of dvorak/svorak/etc | 10:56 |
| go1dfish | there is an optional onscreen keyboard (also qwerty) if thats what you mean | 10:56 |
| cehteh | lucent: you have to stop the data connection to switch | 10:56 |
| go1dfish | ah, im sure you can switch the keymaps, not sure how easy it would be though | 10:56 |
| cehteh | just in case you have it on | 10:56 |
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| FIQ | ah | 10:56 |
| dmj7261 | And the web browser is hard to beat. | 10:56 |
| cehteh | well and with 2g you can either talk or internet but not both at the same time for many operators | 10:56 |
| go1dfish | if a data connection is active you cant change the 2g/3g/dual mode option | 10:56 |
| FIQ | will check it when i got one then. | 10:57 |
| lucent | cehteh: thanks! does the trick like a pimp | 10:57 |
| go1dfish | yeah, that's the biggest drawback of 2g IMO cehteh | 10:57 |
| dmj7261 | On CDMA you can't do both even on 3g | 10:57 |
| go1dfish | if you're on att it's a moot point though cause your SOL for 3g | 10:57 |
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| go1dfish | dmj7261: wow seriously? I didn't realize that | 10:58 |
| dmj7261 | I find it's really useful to be able to stay on the line with somebody while checking something on the internet | 10:58 |
| go1dfish | heh I used that as a 'feature' on my treo650 | 10:58 |
| dmj7261 | I tested that on the DROID. | 10:58 |
| go1dfish | didn't want to take calls, load up ssh and irssi on an active channel | 10:58 |
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| * cehteh should try if he can take calls when data is active pon 2g | 10:59 | |
| cehteh | well i take a nap .. | 10:59 |
| dmj7261 | DROID failed that test miserably, n900 usually passes. | 10:59 |
| lucent | folks, any ways to disable the "tap close -> power off device" when N900 is secured? | 10:59 |
| go1dfish | dmj7261: it will work on the DROID with a wifi connection of course right? | 10:59 |
| dmj7261 | I would think so. | 11:00 |
| go1dfish | I haven't done much simultaneous data/voice on 3g | 11:00 |
| lucent | button to power off device prompt would be fine, I'm finding myself waste moments all the time on that prompt when I tap the screen and it's secured | 11:00 |
| cehteh | lucent: /etc/systemui/systemui.conf would be my bet | 11:00 |
| lucent | great! thanks | 11:00 |
| go1dfish | but I was talking to my mom on my phone will downloading my debian chroot over wifi | 11:00 |
| cehteh | not sure .. just a guess | 11:00 |
| dmj7261 | The only wifi at the verizon store was a Tmobile hotspot, so I couldn't check. | 11:00 |
| go1dfish | while* | 11:00 |
| shinkamui | someone | 11:00 |
| shinkamui | PLEASE tell me that you can have more than one widget instance at a time | 11:01 |
| dmj7261 | I find that rather ironic | 11:01 |
| shinkamui | I mean, come on | 11:01 |
| go1dfish | shinkamui: you can | 11:01 |
| shinkamui | I want to have a couple of pictures on page 4 | 11:01 |
| go1dfish | it's a configuration option of the widget | 11:01 |
| akshay | Hello, I am developing an application in Qt for maemo5, in which I want to render a PDF. What library can I use for this? | 11:01 |
| shinkamui | but it wont let me add another one | 11:01 |
| go1dfish | i.e. will depend on the choice of the widget developer | 11:01 |
| shinkamui | i c | 11:01 |
| dmj7261 | libpoplar? | 11:01 |
| go1dfish | I don't remember specifics, but I think it's in the .desktop file | 11:01 |
| lucent | what is the hole in the N900 on the keyboard lower left corner | 11:01 |
| lucent | mic? | 11:02 |
| dmj7261 | no | 11:02 |
| lucent | lanyard attachment? | 11:02 |
| go1dfish | lucent: mic is lower right | 11:02 |
| go1dfish | yes | 11:02 |
| dmj7261 | loophole for strapping it to something | 11:02 |
| go1dfish | lanyard attachment | 11:02 |
| lucent | how does that work if it's just one hole | 11:02 |
| dmj7261 | you need to open the back to use it. | 11:02 |
| akshay | dmj7261: libpoppler binding for Qt is not available for maemo :( | 11:02 |
| dmj7261 | ...to install the lanyard that is. | 11:02 |
| dmj7261 | oh | 11:02 |
| lucent | oh gosh that was embarassingly obvious | 11:02 |
| lucent | d'oh | 11:02 |
| dmj7261 | porting time? | 11:03 |
| bigbrovar | happy new year dudes. In an unrelated news How can i change the colour of the notification icon (or whatever its called) from yellow to say something cool like blue | 11:03 |
| cehteh | uhm yes cant be called when on 2g/data | 11:03 |
| bigbrovar | N900 | 11:03 |
| cehteh | but i get at least a notification | 11:03 |
| go1dfish | hmm, how does the back still go back on then? | 11:03 |
| akshay | I tried.... but I m finding it difficult... can i use some other lib? | 11:03 |
| go1dfish | oh I see | 11:03 |
| go1dfish | it has a little plastic clip for the loop | 11:04 |
| * cehteh changed the notification light in a lot ways .. but dunno about the icon | 11:04 | |
| lucent | don't think a lanyard was included with my N900 | 11:04 |
| lucent | was it included with anyone elses? | 11:05 |
| cehteh | neither here | 11:05 |
| go1dfish | lucent: they aren't included in the box | 11:05 |
| lucent | 'k | 11:05 |
| go1dfish | optional accessory thing | 11:05 |
| cehteh | they are sold for $20 by nokia :P | 11:05 |
| lucent | holy fruitcake | 11:05 |
| cehteh | j/k | 11:05 |
| cehteh | .. cu | 11:08 |
| pupnik | k cu | 11:09 |
| shinkamui | fook nokia | 11:09 |
| shinkamui | I wanted my lanyard | 11:09 |
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| shinkamui | I needed it tonight | 11:09 |
| pupnik | viking has some maemo code it seems | 11:09 |
| shinkamui | and what hapened to the adapter that was supposed to ship | 11:09 |
| shinkamui | to ocnvert the old charger and interface to the new microusb | 11:10 |
| pupnik | there is one in my box | 11:10 |
| shinkamui | GAY! | 11:10 |
| pupnik | but it was a summit proto | 11:10 |
| shinkamui | I dind't get one | 11:10 |
| ifreq | moin | 11:10 |
| pupnik | servus | 11:10 |
| lucent | Guess I'll make a lanyard out of 550 cord strands | 11:11 |
| lucent | ...like everything else around here, duct tape and 550 cord holds it together | 11:12 |
| pupnik | hmm, a loop of wire would do it too | 11:12 |
| lucent | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Felago-Mobile-microSDHC-Memory-Reader%2Fdp%2FB002HGFKR8&rct=j&q=elago+micro+ii&ei=kLw9S4i9ONH3nAfT99iACQ&usg=AFQjCNH59V-hUw6_rKoSGegWGzekj5zKkw | 11:12 |
| * lucent apologizes for the link fail | 11:13 | |
| lucent | should instead be http://www.amazon.com/elago-Mobile-microSDHC-Memory-Reader/dp/B002HGFKR8 | 11:13 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows what to do about this: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/xchat_2.8.6-maemo13/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt ??? | 11:14 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: beat up whoever uploaded debconf to repository | 11:16 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: crap. | 11:16 |
| * RST38h prays to the Tentacled One to find and punish the bastard | 11:16 | |
| * lucent serves up a side of noodley appendage | 11:18 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i think it'll probably be fixed during today | 11:18 |
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| lucent | not my imagination is it... the nokia headphones are not labelled left nor right? | 11:22 |
| lucent | nevermind I found the "R" | 11:23 |
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| lucent | headphones volume buttons don't activate the volume function, is that the same for others? | 11:27 |
| villager | for n900? the bundled headphones don't have volume buttons | 11:33 |
| lucent | yeah they do | 11:34 |
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| lucent | they're Nokia WH-205's | 11:34 |
| villager | not for me | 11:34 |
| lucent | I guess my question is for anyone who also has WH-205's, does the volume control work in the standard media player? | 11:35 |
| lucent | wonder if I broke mine trying to figure out that they're flat rocker buttons, and I was here trying to pry off the button face to get to a secret compartment that isn't there | 11:35 |
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| villager | google search for WH-205 also says that it has a single answer/hangup button | 11:37 |
| villager | there's no volume control | 11:37 |
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| lucent | my mistake then | 11:37 |
| lucent | I thought those buttons would logically be volume control? oh well | 11:38 |
| lucent | oh single button | 11:38 |
| lucent | it really is not obvious | 11:38 |
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| shinkamui | damn | 11:39 |
| shinkamui | thats really frustrating | 11:39 |
| shinkamui | image viewer just shows a ton of random images that are on my device | 11:39 |
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| shinkamui | not just camera pics | 11:39 |
| lucent | shinkamui: I noticed this too | 11:39 |
| shinkamui | dudes, this has to be configurable some how | 11:39 |
| shinkamui | ill check the bug reports | 11:40 |
| lucent | it's not the most idiot friendly idea | 11:40 |
| lucent | I would like it to be more idiot friendly, that is what I mean, for my own use because I'm not interested in thinking very much | 11:40 |
| lucent | flicking through a lot of background wallpapers is not always fun | 11:41 |
| shinkamui | i find it really annoying, as I have a huge archive of old pics I migrated, and those AND the freeking remotes from irreco AND all the images from jagged alliance 2 show up by default | 11:41 |
| shinkamui | yea | 11:41 |
| shinkamui | that too | 11:41 |
| shinkamui | and I have a ton of wallpapers | 11:41 |
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| shinkamui | and they seem to be in date order, so shit I copied is more recent then some of the older pictures the camera took | 11:41 |
| shinkamui | *sigh* | 11:41 |
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| shinkamui | this is definately typical nokia behavior though | 11:42 |
| shinkamui | my N95 did the same crap | 11:42 |
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| lucent | guess I prefer rockbox to the N900's media player | 11:43 |
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| pupnik | the requirements of bundled apps generally make them unsuitable for dinosaurs, hackers or domain-specialists, as a rule. | 11:47 |
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| Trizt | shinkamui; worked fine for me to copy with the file manager in maemo, my n900 preserved the dates from the original files. If you copy remote files, then maybe scp could be the way to do it | 11:50 |
| go1dfish | pupnik: who are they suitable for then? | 11:51 |
| lucent | QA robots | 11:51 |
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| lucent | is there a sane way to add FLAC support to the N900 bundled media player? | 11:52 |
| lucent | I saw mention "in the ether blogosphere internets" that it doesn't like FLAC media tags | 11:52 |
| ruskie | tried installing ogg-support ? | 11:53 |
| ruskie | that iirc adds it | 11:53 |
| lucent | will try that now | 11:53 |
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| kulve | ruskie: lucent: 1.0.5 doesn't support flac tags. There's 1.0.6rc1 in extras-devel that do support them, but I'm going to include some other fixes as well, before pushing 1.0.6 to extras | 11:57 |
| ruskie | thanks... I actually removed mediaplayer and am running xmms2 for audio ;) | 11:57 |
| kulve | xmms2 doesn't use GStreamer and ogg-support is all about adding missing gst plugins | 11:58 |
| ruskie | well it also installs libogg doesn't it? | 11:59 |
| lucent | thanks kulve | 11:59 |
| ruskie | and related bits and pieces ;) | 11:59 |
| ifreq | anyone tuning the xmms2 gui? | 11:59 |
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| kulve | yes, ogg-support drags e.g. libogg in, but I don't know how xmms2 implements its ogg/flac support | 12:00 |
| ruskie | through libogg/libflac and it's own plugins | 12:00 |
| kulve | ok | 12:00 |
| ruskie | ifreq, someone would need to write up an xmms2 client for a friendly n900 GUI ;) | 12:00 |
| ruskie | ifreq, else it has no gui out of the box | 12:00 |
| lucent | I wonder is the cellular call routed through gstreamer? | 12:00 |
| ifreq | yeah, quite complete rewrite :P | 12:00 |
| ruskie | no | 12:01 |
| lucent | i.e. could I record a phone conversation? | 12:01 |
| ruskie | just command line utils | 12:01 |
| ruskie | ifreq, xmms2 is client-server so you basically have the server running and clients controling it | 12:01 |
| ifreq | hmm okay | 12:01 |
| ifreq | newer thought that way | 12:01 |
| ifreq | ruskie: what about mpd then? | 12:02 |
| ifreq | instead of xmms2 | 12:02 |
| ruskie | don't like it don't want it etc... | 12:02 |
| ifreq | aha | 12:02 |
| villager | lucent: not sure, but it goes through pulseaudio at least, you should be able to record them from pulse | 12:02 |
| lucent | villager: the capability to record and playback portions of calls would be a chaotic pleasure when dealing with Tmobile support | 12:04 |
| ruskie | ifreq, I've got mod, wavpack, mpc, mpg123, ogg, flac, faad, and a pile of other formats supported with xmms2 as well ;) | 12:04 |
| lucent | "Here mate, let me play back exactly what I was told by a Tmobile representative yesterday" | 12:04 |
| * RST38h wonders who needs these where mp3 suffices | 12:04 | |
| ruskie | I'd love to have call recording as well | 12:05 |
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| lucent | mp3? I can't listen to mp3 when there is an option to listen to uncompressed cd quality | 12:05 |
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| * ifreq is happy with mp3 + mp3 works on most of the hw-players | 12:06 | |
| lucent | even CD quality is not all that perfect for me, its advantages are obscured by the loudness war | 12:06 |
| RST38h | ok, add flaxc | 12:06 |
| RST38h | flac | 12:06 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:07 |
| RST38h | lucent <-- an audiophile! | 12:07 |
| pupnik | i'm listening to oggs of recordings from 1920. I'll challenge you to hear a difference twixt ogg and cd. | 12:07 |
| lucent | not really, I just like music a lot | 12:07 |
| * RST38h sells lucent some speaker cables made of argentinian oxygene-free silver | 12:07 | |
| lucent | to sell it I'd have to buy it | 12:08 |
| pupnik | One can learn to hear differences, it's true. | 12:08 |
| lucent | I'm on a budget, good audio takes a tight budget and some determination | 12:08 |
| pupnik | and that god-awful xing codec used in radio stations is a crime against music :/ | 12:08 |
| pupnik | yeah | 12:08 |
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| pupnik | speakers come first | 12:09 |
| pupnik | speakers and room | 12:09 |
| lucent | heh, wood panelled studio apartment here makes that rather difficult to do in a room situation | 12:09 |
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| lucent | sorry to have prodded this off-topic for the chan | 12:10 |
| kulve | storage space is cheap and decoding flac takes less battery than decoding mp3 or ogg, so why not? :) | 12:10 |
| RST38h | kulve: you should take into account the battery used when you do more reading from flash | 12:11 |
| lucent | yeah FLAC is a win and since I've gotten comfortable with the SanDisk Sansa Fuze player (which takes microSDHC cards), no need to complain about the lack of hardware player | 12:11 |
| RST38h | you mean, you have got a tablet AND an mp3 player? | 12:12 |
| kulve | RST38h: I did | 12:12 |
| lucent | several Fuze players actually, depending on my listening habits | 12:12 |
| shinkamui | lesson learned | 12:12 |
| lucent | they were less than $30 to buy each | 12:12 |
| shinkamui | don't start 7 usb transfers simultaneously on the N900 from the PC | 12:12 |
| shinkamui | time to completetion increases logarithmicly | 12:12 |
| RST38h | hmm | 12:12 |
| dmj7261 | really? | 12:13 |
| lucent | heh, yeah, which platform - win mac or lin? | 12:13 |
| shinkamui | win | 12:13 |
| RST38h | We have a winner! | 12:13 |
| lucent | win is particularly awful | 12:13 |
| * RST38h hides | 12:13 | |
| shinkamui | well, lessons learned | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Linux actualyl behaves worse for me | 12:13 |
| lucent | whichever window you have focused gets more priority | 12:13 |
| shinkamui | lol | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Slower USB transfer rates | 12:13 |
| shinkamui | that would have been this one | 12:13 |
| shinkamui | :) | 12:13 |
| shinkamui | well dudes, Im off to bed, happy new year to all of you | 12:14 |
| shinkamui | see you in the AM | 12:14 |
| pupnik | cheers shinkamui | 12:14 |
| lucent | repent shinkamui | 12:14 |
| shinkamui | lol | 12:14 |
| lucent | oh, I meant cheers | 12:14 |
| * shinkamui bows | 12:14 | |
| kulve | RST38h: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/ | 12:14 |
| lucent | oggvorbis development is kind of dead though which is a turnoff | 12:15 |
| ruskie | what more do you expect from it? | 12:15 |
| lucent | A *lot* more optimization and features like bitrate peeling | 12:15 |
| pupnik | that* is how to do testing... | 12:15 |
| kulve | lucent: ffmpeg's vorbis decoder seems to get optimizations quite nicely | 12:16 |
| ruskie | kulve, wanna give that a try with mpg123 as well? | 12:16 |
| lucent | fixes for the corner cases I run into - rather frequently - which result in bad sounding encoding | 12:16 |
| kulve | ruskie: not really. It takes ages to run those :) | 12:16 |
| ruskie | to bad... would've been interesting singe mpg123 has some arm optimisations | 12:16 |
| lucent | when oggvorbis encoding works, it sounds a lot less accurate than the original but it sounds more pleasing | 12:16 |
| lucent | when it fails, it fails hard. | 12:17 |
| kulve | ruskie: more arm optimisations than the nokia's own decoder for n900? | 12:17 |
| ruskie | no clue | 12:17 |
| RST38h | kulve: ! | 12:17 |
| lucent | sorry for the "passion bucket" passing judgement on the encoder based on my opinions | 12:17 |
| RST38h | kulve: 93.6 hours on idle??? | 12:18 |
| RST38h | that's almost 4 days | 12:18 |
| lucent | cymbals and floor kicks never sound right with mp3 even at high bit rates... well that is all I think about mp3 and oggvorbis | 12:19 |
| ruskie | lucent, considering both ogg and mp3 are lossy... maybe try mpc or wavpack or flac ;) | 12:19 |
| RST38h | Ok, Ogg is a pig, nothing new there | 12:19 |
| lucent | yeah this is stuff you will never really notice on earbuds | 12:19 |
| ruskie | I generally consider ogg better at reproducing than mp3 | 12:19 |
| lucent | on a PA system at a deejay gig, the difference is clear if you're paying attention | 12:20 |
| lucent | yup | 12:20 |
| RST38h | although ffvorbis seems to starve it well | 12:20 |
| pupnik | mp3 applies a lowpass filter that i used to hear distinctly (lame allowed disabling). ogg didn't. | 12:20 |
| lucent | it's not bad or good, I just think mp3 is awful sounding on real equipment | 12:20 |
| lucent | with enough booze going around and a talent at the tables, the dancefloor knows not the difference | 12:21 |
| lucent | =) | 12:21 |
| ruskie | :) | 12:21 |
| pupnik | a fun thing to try is raising the absolute-threshold-of-hearing in lame encoding to a very high level. The music rises out of pure blackness. | 12:21 |
| RST38h | Well, that is also predictable | 12:21 |
| lucent | yeah that constantly annoyed me is how most mp3 music tends to be encoded, all the quiet passages and details are "deleted" from the music. I go back to the CD to listen and it's like a completely different work of art | 12:22 |
| pupnik | it is an effect one couldn't get before the perceptual encoding revolution | 12:22 |
| RST38h | MP3 is a lossy compression format, and it loses upper frequencies first, based on the assumption that humans do not hear them well enough anyway | 12:22 |
| ruskie | really depends on the human involved | 12:22 |
| lucent | it's funny about that RST38h | 12:22 |
| RST38h | This of course affects the percussive instruments first, as their waveforms are noisy and this contain a lot of upper frequencies | 12:22 |
| lucent | the teenagers who CAN hear those frequencies are the widest adopters of mp3 to listen to the music | 12:23 |
| RST38h | ruskie: well, older people hear even less of upper fqs than youngsters | 12:23 |
| ruskie | RST38h, well again depends on the human involved | 12:23 |
| pupnik | some low bitrate encoders just generated hf amplitude-shaped noise, iirc | 12:24 |
| lucent | now those frequencies are not in the music anymore! | 12:24 |
| RST38h | But the point is that even if you do not hear those frequencies, you still feel that something is different | 12:24 |
| lucent | hm, that is less than scientific, I would agree though | 12:25 |
| lucent | one album I enjoy listening to gives me a headache if I fall asleep when it's playing, and the format was encoded mp3 | 12:26 |
| lucent | FLAC (lossless) always left me in a deep sleep | 12:26 |
| RST38h | lucent: Once you get scientific about human ears, the picture becomes waaaay more complicated | 12:26 |
| RST38h | Hint: the exact shape of your ear, incuding ridges, matters | 12:27 |
| lucent | yeah I'm gonna stab in the dark and say that, how do you know if something is above or below you by listening to it? | 12:27 |
| lucent | it's not some immediately middle-of-the-nyquist frequency only | 12:27 |
| lucent | and if you throw out stuff that isn't exactly melodic, then sure I get the idea of what a song is about still | 12:28 |
| lucent | won't be the same experience for me though | 12:28 |
| lucent | the best though for me is to get back that full experience without spending a thousand dollars on crazy equipment | 12:29 |
| pupnik | HRTF | 12:30 |
| lucent | I won't go on about it being better or worse if it's $35 and a uSD card :) | 12:30 |
| lucent | that's about what I got my Sansa Fuze player for | 12:30 |
| lucent | original firmware plays FLAC with an update from the manufacturer | 12:31 |
| lucent | alternately it has a working port of Rockbox firmware | 12:31 |
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| pupnik | It's kind of cool how #maemo folks are savvy on tech in general. | 12:31 |
| * lucent :) | 12:33 | |
| flux | my rockbox-compatible iriver died some time ago. I once wondered if the SDL-port of Rockbox would be usable in N900.. | 12:33 |
| lucent | I'm only knowing what I have spent money and time on, to be fair | 12:33 |
| lucent | flux: hmm, wonder if it's worth the time and effort tradeoff to get working though | 12:34 |
| lucent | battery life would suffer greatly | 12:34 |
| lucent | flux: I strongly suggest getting a Sansa Fuze to run rockbox on if you are an N900 owner | 12:34 |
| lucent | the microSD interchangability is pretty keen | 12:34 |
| flux | lucent, I'm pretty sure it _works_, because there are other SDL-based programs for N900 and rockbox has SDL-support (for development purposes), but I'm wondering its usability | 12:35 |
| lucent | can only guess, and at that not informed, no further comment sorry | 12:35 |
| flux | lucent, I'd rather not have an another device in my pockets, but had you given me that hint a year ago I would've definitely gone that way :) | 12:35 |
| lucent | ha! well the Fuze is great battery life and takes microSD cards, I mean it's a must have in my inventory of gadgets | 12:36 |
| lucent | I use it in place of a CD player, not as a media player | 12:36 |
| flux | (I also got a sony bt headset for my headphones, so as long as I have n900 somewhere near, it works decently) | 12:36 |
| lucent | it does not play video worth a damn | 12:36 |
| pupnik | you read much head-fi forums lucent ? | 12:37 |
| lucent | hm, not in tune with the hi-fi stuff sorry | 12:37 |
| lucent | my background with audio is hobby home studio stuff | 12:37 |
| pupnik | they get deep into players, dacs and headphones | 12:37 |
| pupnik | sansa fuze $120+ here.. tch. | 12:38 |
| lucent | yuck, I got mine from a liquidation website | 12:39 |
| lucent | well I bought 3 of the 2gb models | 12:39 |
| lucent | internal storage isn't the point so I go with the cheapest refurb I could find | 12:39 |
| lucent | some woot.com retinkers :) | 12:39 |
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| lucent | in so far as improving the N900 goes, I'd be looking to get turntable (Serato Scratch) type control for audio playback and a lot of laptop only features | 12:42 |
| lucent | not done here | 12:42 |
| lucent | lack of multi-point touch screen is also a killer for the great niche "synthesizer" breath controller app I've seen on Apple products | 12:43 |
| lucent | use the microphone as a pressure sensor | 12:43 |
| lucent | multi touch capacitive screen allowing for finger positions like on a winded instrument | 12:44 |
| lucent | instant expressive synth controller. | 12:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | In principle you can swap out the screen digitiser panel. | 12:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course in practice that's very unlikely to happen. | 12:58 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 12:58 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Welcome to 2010, where the fuck is Buck Rogers? | 13:02 |
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| radic | http://eris.zapto.org/Jahreswechsel_09_10/ | 13:21 |
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| * LuciusMare wishes #maemo happy new years and less segfaults | 13:29 | |
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| * pupnik wishes for a basement of c++ developers to finish #uwadv // project on hold for 6 years, 9 months. | 13:29 | |
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| pupnik | 5 | 13:29 |
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| pupnik | Last release http://log.usecode.org/uwadvlog.php?log=11Mar2004 | 13:30 |
| LuciusMare | what's uwadv? | 13:30 |
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| pupnik | remake of Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss. Largely carried by one person. | 13:33 |
| LuciusMare | wow | 13:33 |
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| pupnik | I fixed the gcc 4 compile time errors but no chance at learning the codebase. | 13:34 |
| pupnik | let's try it on armel, shall we? | 13:35 |
| pupnik | :F | 13:35 |
| LuciusMare | wow | 13:37 |
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| LuciusMare | anybody tried n900 crash tests? | 13:38 |
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| pupnik | LuciusMare: it is astonishingly durable. | 13:43 |
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| aquatix | a very good 2010 to you all! | 13:44 |
| LuciusMare | pupnik: nice to hear, i just almost dropped it from stairs | 13:45 |
| LuciusMare | god i was fraked | 13:45 |
| LuciusMare | *scared | 13:45 |
| pupnik | same to you aquatix | 13:45 |
| aquatix | thans | 13:46 |
| aquatix | *thanks | 13:46 |
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| vpv | LuciusMare: http://www.youtube.com/user/tehkseven has N900 stress test videos | 13:49 |
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| LuciusMare | thanks | 13:51 |
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| hrw|n900 | hi | 14:08 |
| hrw|n900 | thx for xchat update | 14:08 |
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| Bluewind | first impression of fennec is way better than microb | 14:12 |
| RST38h | and it is wrong | 14:12 |
| RST38h | hrw: you are welcome | 14:13 |
| RST38h | hrw: should I remove the channel title btw? | 14:13 |
| flux | is any of the browsers more multithreaded than microb? it's bloody annoying when the browser gets stuck when opening a bunch of new windows.. | 14:13 |
| RST38h | multithreadidness has nothing to do with getting stuck | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: I installed a nice fast browser from extras-devel yesterday. | 14:14 |
| flux | well, it does if you have a loop that needs to do a low of work | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: renders hundreds of times faster than microb | 14:14 |
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| flux | of course, you can explicitly reduce the length of those loops, if you know which they are | 14:14 |
| Bluewind | if anyone wants to try fennec go to mozilla.com/m | 14:14 |
| flux | or alternatively reduce overall performance by putting such hack everywhere | 14:14 |
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| flux | speedevil, that's extremely nice | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | lynx :) | 14:14 |
| RST38h | Bluewind: it is available from the repo. | 14:14 |
| flux | speedevil, gaah | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes, it's silly, but I find it occasionally handy. | 14:15 |
| RST38h | Bluewind: I installed it a while ago and continue updating it from the repo. It is still shit. | 14:15 |
| flux | besides, elinks renders nicer! | 14:15 |
| Bluewind | oh k | 14:15 |
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| TomaszD | good day | 14:16 |
| Bluewind | strange I haven't seen it some days ago | 14:16 |
| RST38h | EHLO TomaszD | 14:16 |
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| RST38h | Bluewind: Only because you do not have the right repo added | 14:16 |
| LuciusMare | hello,i have problems with ssh - i made a key by sshkeygen on box1,copied the .pub to authorized_keys on n900, but when i try to connect to n900,it said Permission denied (publickey) | 14:16 |
| Bluewind | LuciusMare: you try to connect to user or root? | 14:17 |
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| RST38h | Bluewind: And too lazy to google / read Maemo News feeds | 14:17 |
| LuciusMare | user | 14:17 |
| Bluewind | LuciusMare: passwd user before | 14:17 |
| LuciusMare | of course, copied to home user/.ssh | 14:17 |
| LuciusMare | Bluewind: i cant,it doesnt let me | 14:17 |
| Bluewind | the acc is locked without a password | 14:17 |
| LuciusMare | >_> | 14:18 |
| Bluewind | go in as root and run passd user | 14:18 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 14:18 |
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| Jaffa | LuciusMare: Bluewind is right; as user has no passwd, SSH refuses to let you connect with jut a key. | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | LuciusMare: So, as root, you need to `passwd user' and set any random password you like. | 14:21 |
| * LuciusMare facepalms | 14:22 | |
| LuciusMare | that is kinda stupid | 14:22 |
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| Bluewind | you can search for the reason but I think they know what they are doing | 14:23 |
| Bluewind | I also didn't understand why they wouldn't let you chroot any user into his home but into /home | 14:24 |
| Bluewind | turned out you could exploit that | 14:24 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | woo | 14:24 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | it worx | 14:24 |
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| Hukka | Hmh | 14:37 |
| Hukka | Now I manage to give the xwindow id to gst, but doesn't seem to affect anything :/ | 14:37 |
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| RST38h | Google Reader is really weird about its recommendations... | 14:45 |
| RST38h | "News of social, protest, and trade unionist movements" | 14:46 |
| RST38h | While, Google Reader, WHY? | 14:46 |
| RST38h | s/While/Why | 14:46 |
| RST38h | "Anti-religion Community" <-- eh? | 14:48 |
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| PBeck | hi | 14:49 |
| LuciusMare | RST38h: while,google reader,WHILE? | 14:49 |
| PBeck | is it normaly that my pictures on my n900 are so grainy with alot of noise? | 14:50 |
| LuciusMare | PBeck: what's the time? | 14:51 |
| RST38h | PBeck: Yes. N900 is not a real digital camera. | 14:51 |
| LuciusMare | but it takes good pictures,but fails sadly in dark | 14:51 |
| PBeck | in the forum i have read about a second problem with the chrome around of the camera | 14:51 |
| RST38h | Lucius: As far as I am concerned, even in sunlight it is not very good | 14:52 |
| LuciusMare | omg | 14:52 |
| PBeck | LuciusMare: in any time. But i have not the best weather here. Perhaps it's better with sunshine (or certainly) | 14:52 |
| LuciusMare | i just read "pub lick ey" | 14:52 |
| RST38h | All the pictures made in cloudy weather have violet tint | 14:53 |
| LuciusMare | RST38h: i have good pictures in nice lighting | 14:53 |
| PBeck | RST38h: it's a pity :( | 14:53 |
| PBeck | RST38h: but i think (hope) that we can get a better quality with a better driver | 14:53 |
| RST38h | Lucius: "nice lighting" defined as "sunlight, no clouds" | 14:53 |
| RST38h | PBeck: talk to ab | 14:53 |
| PBeck | RST38h: the front camera needs that defintivly | 14:53 |
| LuciusMare | RST38h: well | 14:54 |
| PBeck | ab? | 14:54 |
| LuciusMare | anyway,what is that front camera for,if n900 cant video-call? | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: it can. | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: it's just nobody has implemented it yet | 14:54 |
| LuciusMare | >_> | 14:54 |
| LuciusMare | huh | 14:54 |
| zaheer_ | or noone has done the ui yet | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I've had it streaming video over 3g from mplayer | 14:54 |
| PBeck | SpeedEvil: you cant do that with that quality - your talking partner thinks that you are a monster | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | from the front cam | 14:55 |
| LuciusMare | wow | 14:55 |
| LuciusMare | PBeck: haha | 14:55 |
| PBeck | LuciusMare: not a joke :/ | 14:55 |
| LuciusMare | oh,and what i wanted to ask | 14:55 |
| RST38h | PBeck: "ab" as in "/nick ab" | 14:55 |
| LuciusMare | how come that n900 can connect to skype? | 14:55 |
| LuciusMare | isnt skype closed-source? | 14:55 |
| PBeck | RST38h: whois ab? A nokia developer? | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | pay money to skype people, get client | 14:56 |
| * LuciusMare facepalms | 14:56 | |
| * RST38h facepalms | 14:56 | |
| LuciusMare | that's just... | 14:56 |
| * LuciusMare goes over to find a dictionary | 14:57 | |
| LuciusMare | ay | 14:57 |
| LuciusMare | ssh fails again | 14:57 |
| PBeck | because of me => facepalm? | 14:57 |
| LuciusMare | heh | 14:58 |
| LuciusMare | :o | 14:58 |
| LuciusMare | connecting to ssh and doing commands works | 14:58 |
| LuciusMare | while making a ssh tunnel says "access denied" | 14:58 |
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| LuciusMare | does it make sense? | 15:01 |
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| ifreq | well youre doing something wrong thats 4 sure | 15:04 |
| DangerMaus | yep | 15:05 |
| Hukka | Does the local bot know how to send notes to people when they come online? | 15:07 |
| pupnik | speedevil, mencoder has denoise 3d filters. at that low camera resolution cpu should be fast enough to stomp the camera noise | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | umm. no. | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | Happy New Year all | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Lipstick on a pig comes to mind. | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | At the end it's still a vice presidential candidate. | 15:11 |
| *** crashanddie changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Happy New Year on behalf of the Maemo Community" | 15:11 | |
| Hukka | Happy new year and happy hacking | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking | 15:12 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: some idiot uploaded 'debconf' to the repos | 15:15 |
| RST38h | KILL KILL DESTROY | 15:18 |
| * RST38h goes into Dalek mode | 15:18 | |
| pupnik | 'exfoliate' | 15:19 |
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| RST38h | ah, what a term | 15:19 |
| * RST38h adds it to 'defenestrate' and "decimate' | 15:19 | |
| Macer | hm | 15:23 |
| Macer | spam got through the gmail filters. wtf? :) | 15:23 |
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| RST38h | You have not been clicking "Mark as spam" button vigorously enough? | 15:25 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: The reference is to a BBC Radio 'Dead Ringers' comedy parody of Dr Who wherein a gay dalek advocates use of the Body Shoppe Apricot Facial Scrub. | 15:27 |
| * RST38h facepalms somewhere between "gay dalek" and "advocates" | 15:27 | |
| pupnik | pupnik.de/pfp.jpg facepalm | 15:28 |
| pupnik | :) | 15:28 |
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| RST38h | pupnk: http://unknowntheartist.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/manul-kitties.jpg | 15:29 |
| joppu | Stskeeps: how's that idiotic? | 15:29 |
| pupnik | cool | 15:29 |
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| RST38h | actually, that Picard picture better corresponds to this one: http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2153683170015358433nbxhzl | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | joppu: it breaks the builders if there's additional unsatisfiable dependancies | 15:30 |
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| Stskeeps | there was a check but it failed | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I still blame the autobuilder though | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: It. Should. Never. Fail. | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | oh, agreed | 15:32 |
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| RST38h | yet, it fails every weekend, for various reasons... | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | it's obviously alcoholic | 15:33 |
| pupnik | I haven't yet found the policy page for which vintage upstream applications we are supposed to be sourcing | 15:33 |
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| pupnik | It seems the place to start is with a current debian sid package, then work back to whatever version matches the dependencies/libs already built | 15:38 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Ah, great. | 15:42 |
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| PBeck | it's not possible to send datacalls to the network => *100# ? | 15:56 |
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| Macer | https://www.50dollarbuffalo.com/?mid=663752 | 15:57 |
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| Macer | wtf | 15:57 |
| Macer | how can you sell a $50 coin for 19.95? | 15:57 |
| Macer | :) | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | because it's not legal tender to $50 | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | and it's gold plated with bugger all gold | 15:58 |
| pupnik | 31 milligrams | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Each 2010 $50 Gold Buffalo Tribute Proof comes complete with an individually numbered Certificate of Authenticity, verifying that each piece is clad in 31 mgs. of Pure 24 KT Gold, | 15:59 |
| Macer | ah | 15:59 |
| Macer | "clad" | 15:59 |
| Macer | is that another word for plated? :) | 15:59 |
| Macer | why do they call it a $50 coin then? | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Or about 1 dollar worth of gold | 16:00 |
| pupnik | i was just calculating that | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | because it's based on a gold coin that when struck was worth $50 | 16:00 |
| Macer | oh | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | had a face value of $50 rather | 16:00 |
| Macer | where can you get real gold coins? | 16:00 |
| Macer | :) | 16:00 |
| Macer | so it is a fake replica coin? | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | many places | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 16:01 |
| RST38h | "you can reserve your own copy of the 2010 $50 Buffalo Gold Clad Tribute Proof in 31 mg of pure gold." | 16:01 |
| Macer | how is that legal? | 16:01 |
| RST38h | Keyword is COPY | 16:01 |
| Macer | i thought copying coins was illegal or something :) | 16:01 |
| Macer | how are they selling fake coins? :) | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/buffalo24k/?action=amBuffBull | 16:01 |
| RST38h | Recreates the first .9999 fine 24-karat gold coin struck by the U.S. Government and the purest gold coin ever minted! <== RECREATES | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | for example | 16:01 |
| RST38h | Macer: As long as it is clearly labelled as a copy, it is legal | 16:02 |
| Macer | RST38h: hahaha | 16:02 |
| Macer | RST38h: in the ad it is | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | However the above will be around $1000 | 16:02 |
| Macer | is "copy" on the coin itself? :) | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | not $50 | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Macer: basically yes | 16:02 |
| Macer | really? | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | It does not have to have copy on it if it is not current coinage. | 16:02 |
| pupnik | STRICT LIMIT OF ONLY 5 PER CUSTOMER! | 16:03 |
| Macer | pupnik: yeah like they don't have a trillion of the damn things :) | 16:03 |
| Hukka | Any people knowledgeable about (py)gst around? I'm still getting "dsp_thread: failed waiting for events" errors when trying to run pygst examples | 16:03 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: but the actual coins are at the very least worth face value | 16:03 |
| Macer | $2 bills are legal tender which i believe aren't made anymore | 16:04 |
| pupnik | price can only be guaranteed for 7 days! | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: More like 20* with current gold prices | 16:04 |
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| Macer | so if i start printing $2 bills and say in an ad "no real" i can sell them for $19.95? :) | 16:04 |
| pupnik | Would you pay for $50 dollars of gas with a coin worth $1000? | 16:04 |
| Macer | pupnik: depends on how desperate i am for gas :) | 16:05 |
| Hukka | zaheerm: I can get the test image to work, but no actual video. Have you managed that on pygst? | 16:05 |
| Macer | i just dont understand how they are creating replicas of coins | 16:05 |
| Macer | it is counterfit | 16:05 |
| pupnik | #economics is a fun place to talk about such things. | 16:06 |
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| RST38h | Macer: You should watch less TV advertising. | 16:08 |
| RST38h | Macer: And trash all spam mail as soon as you see it. | 16:09 |
| RST38h | Really good for mental health. | 16:09 |
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| Macer | RST38h: hahaha i recorded ncis and was watching it and noticed the commercial. was doing something else and it was ambient | 16:11 |
| Macer | but i was just curious as to how they could sell counterfit coins :) | 16:12 |
| Macer | http://www.gainesvillecoins.com/category/25/Bullion.aspx?gclid=CI6-mNeug58CFRTxDAodikHpCw | 16:12 |
| Macer | but i found a site with teh real stuff | 16:12 |
| Macer | it made me curious as to how i could invest into precious metals | 16:12 |
| Macer | real gold coins would be awesome | 16:12 |
| Macer | 10oz platinum bars for $15K :) | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: you buy them and jam them under your bed. | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Not really complex :) | 16:15 |
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| LuciusMare | is there a dropbox port for maemo? | 16:17 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: haha. well. i'd probably have a thick safe set in 20ft of concrete with a 2ft steel door | 16:17 |
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| Macer | but that's just me ;) | 16:17 |
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| Macer | i'm looking at them now seeing what would be good to buy. i'd prefer to buy uniform sized bars | 16:17 |
| Macer | aus had a 20 kilo year of the tiger gold coin | 16:18 |
| Macer | 20 kilo?! thats a coin? | 16:18 |
| Macer | that has to be the size of a small plate | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | gold coins and bars are essentially sold by weight | 16:19 |
| tigert | hm | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | there is very little difference in price | 16:19 |
| tigert | this twitter messaging plugin is pretty interesting | 16:19 |
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| Macer | SpeedEvil: i know. i am looking at shape ;) i don't want coins | 16:20 |
| Caesium | 100g gold bars are reasonable overhead | 16:20 |
| Macer | bars are better.. just want to make sure there is some sort of standard size | 16:20 |
| Caesium | anything lower and the premiums shoot up | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: get a n900 shaped bar. | 16:20 |
| Macer | 100g is about the size of a cigarette box? | 16:21 |
| Caesium | heh no | 16:21 |
| Caesium | about the size of a CF card :) | 16:21 |
| Macer | credit card? | 16:21 |
| Macer | ah ok | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | gold has a density of 15g/cc or so | 16:21 |
| Macer | that's a good size. let me see if i can find some | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | so 8ccish | 16:21 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: the 10kilo "coin" was funny | 16:21 |
| Macer | "call for pricing" | 16:21 |
| Macer | what do you do with something like that? hang it on the wall and put clock hands on it? | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | It's probably not a significant premium over bars | 16:22 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: btw i purchased 4x2 uncut sheet of $2 bank notes | 16:24 |
| Arkenoi | made fun of people around sitting with it in a cafe comparing numbers | 16:25 |
| Macer | 100g is ~3600 | 16:25 |
| Caesium | Macer: http://bsd.dsl.shagged.org/x/20100101_001.jpg :) | 16:25 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: i just thought the size was large | 16:25 |
| Caesium | (n900 camera, resized to 50% of original) | 16:26 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: evil | 16:26 |
| Macer | Caesium: that is your gold bar? | 16:26 |
| Caesium | aye | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Caesium: I will take the one at the left | 16:27 |
| Macer | awesome.. thanks :) | 16:27 |
| Macer | let me see if i can find something similar | 16:27 |
| Caesium | you in the UK? can recommend a couple of merchants if so | 16:27 |
| Macer | no | 16:29 |
| Macer | Chicago | 16:29 |
| Macer | i'm looking for places in the city now. some measure in oz and some in g | 16:30 |
| Macer | you would think there would be a standard for this | 16:30 |
| Caesium | usually coins are oz, bars in g | 16:30 |
| Caesium | but either is acceptable | 16:30 |
| Macer | yeah. they are measuing bars in oz | 16:30 |
| Caesium | http://www.goldline.co.uk/investmentBarsPage.page?&goldBarIdx=5 is where I buy mine | 16:31 |
| Caesium | has both; 100g is 3.215oz | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | troy ouches | 16:32 |
| LuciusMare | is it possible to get bluemaemo to use hardware keyboard? | 16:33 |
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| Mysterious | hello everybody | 16:36 |
| Caesium | happy new year :) | 16:36 |
| Mysterious | oh^^ thanks. I wish you a happy new year, too :) | 16:37 |
| Mysterious | I would like to install the libssl-dev ackage on my n900 device. May I use the debian source package or do I need to use some kind of ported libssl-dev | 16:38 |
| Macer | These prices are based upon the spot gold price of: $0.00 | 16:40 |
| Macer | haha. web site fail | 16:40 |
| Macer | i should order a 30bars at $0.00 | 16:40 |
| Macer | blah. online shopping for this sucks. i'll just find a place in chicago | 16:40 |
| Caesium | cheap at twice the price :D | 16:40 |
| Caesium | depending on the size bars you're getting you should be able to get about 4% premium over spot | 16:41 |
| Caesium | anything more than that and find somewhere else :) | 16:41 |
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| Macer | found a good place | 16:47 |
| Macer | Harlan J. Berk Ltd | 16:47 |
| Macer | :) i will probably go there soon to see what they have | 16:47 |
| Mysterious | Is it possible to install whole debian arm packages on the n900 without porting? | 16:48 |
| jeremiah | Mysterious: Most likely | 16:48 |
| jeremiah | But you may run into dependency issues | 16:48 |
| jeremiah | Do you know what it depends on? | 16:48 |
| Mysterious | the package i want to install? | 16:49 |
| jeremiah | Mysterious: Yes. | 16:49 |
| Mysterious | one moment please | 16:49 |
| jeremiah | I realize it is just a lib, but often it will have some dependencies - like libc at the very least | 16:49 |
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| jeremiah | Mysterious: The best way to move forward is to open up the SDK | 16:49 |
| jeremiah | And test. | 16:50 |
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| jeremiah | BTW, what are you using libssl for? | 16:50 |
| Mysterious | I would like to set up the aircrack-ng suite but i am not sure whether it will work or not | 16:50 |
| jeremiah | Hmmm. I seemed to remember aircrack going into the repos. | 16:51 |
| jeremiah | Or something similar | 16:51 |
| jeremiah | libssl0.9.8 is already on the device | 16:51 |
| jeremiah | So you won't need to port it. | 16:52 |
| Mysterious | hm | 16:52 |
| jeremiah | I see aircrack-ng already in the repos | 16:52 |
| Mysterious | but i need the -dev version | 16:52 |
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| Mysterious | O.O | 16:52 |
| Mysterious | really? | 16:52 |
| jeremiah | 1. apt-cache search is your friend | 16:52 |
| jeremiah | 2. Did you enable extras? | 16:52 |
| jeremiah | 3. Did you enable extras-devel? | 16:52 |
| Mysterious | is it in that | 16:53 |
| Mysterious | sry^^ | 16:53 |
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| jeremiah | Look on maemo.org | 16:54 |
| jeremiah | http://maemo.org/packages/search/ | 16:54 |
| Mysterious | ok thanks | 16:54 |
| jeremiah | Is that you pushing the version of 1.0-3 to the builder? | 16:55 |
| jeremiah | Because 1.0-3 is not building | 16:55 |
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| Mysterious | >.< argh my stupid english I can't express | 16:57 |
| jeremiah | :) | 16:57 |
| jeremiah | No problem. | 16:57 |
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| Dassu | hmm, no finnish maemo irc-channel :o | 16:58 |
| jeremiah | I don't think there are any language specific maemo channels | 16:58 |
| Mysterious | voi ei | 16:58 |
| jeremiah | I think in fact there are only two channels: #maemo and #maemo-devel | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | and #maemo-ui | 16:59 |
| frals | and -bugs | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | or ux, can't recall | 16:59 |
| jeremiah | Parlez francais? | 16:59 |
| jeremiah | Fala portugues? | 16:59 |
| jeremiah | Talar svenska? | 16:59 |
| jeremiah | frals: Oh? Bugs too? | 16:59 |
| jeremiah | Didn't know that. # obvious | 17:00 |
| frals | Talar du svenska* | 17:00 |
| jeremiah | Jajamen! | 17:00 |
| frals | ;) | 17:00 |
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| jeremiah | .oO( must learn how to say w00t in swedish. ) | 17:00 |
| Mysterious | lol | 17:00 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Did you see that Ed fixed the builder? | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: no, but that's good | 17:01 |
| jeremiah | indeed | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | debconf package removed? | 17:01 |
| jeremiah | Dunno. | 17:01 |
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| jeremiah | I doubt it. | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | well isn't it going to keep on failing then? :P | 17:03 |
| frals | waiting for the bus for 20minutes in a closed mall sucks :( | 17:03 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Most likely. :) | 17:03 |
| jeremiah | Though Ed said it was something else. | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | still, it's a package that doesn't belong in extras :P | 17:03 |
| jeremiah | Building debian based live CDs is not hard. | 17:03 |
| jeremiah | We should try one for Mer | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, we have a x86 bootable image though | 17:04 |
| jeremiah | ah, okay | 17:05 |
| jeremiah | So a bit redundant. | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | sortof | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | a live cd runs in ram only | 17:06 |
| jeremiah | So what are the implications of that? | 17:07 |
| jeremiah | That it will run slowly on the device? | 17:07 |
| jeremiah | I thought people would want to try it out on their computers | 17:07 |
| jeremiah | It will run slowish there too. | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: seems like borealid is still at it | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | trying to upload e2fsprogs | 17:08 |
| jeremiah | oh no. | 17:08 |
| jeremiah | I wonder what he/she is trying to do? | 17:10 |
| jeremiah | Is all this on purpose? | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | or just ignorance | 17:10 |
| ShadowJK | is it optified? ;-) | 17:10 |
| jeremiah | lol | 17:11 |
| jeremiah | Just sent Bryan and email, cc'd to maemo-devel | 17:16 |
| jeremiah | s/and/sn | 17:17 |
| jeremiah | arg | 17:17 |
| jeremiah | Sent _an_ email. | 17:17 |
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| Dassu | sometims I think we should consider sending few of us to the USA and buying n900's from there for us europens as n900's are 150e cheaper in the states. | 17:23 |
| ShrikeOnN900 | Hi all! Just wanted to drop by, using my Nokia that runs Linux to chat with IRC for a moment of intense Finnishness | 17:23 |
| jeremiah | Well, we're all finished here. | 17:24 |
| jeremiah | reply from Bryan Jacobs! | 17:24 |
| Corsac | Dassu: remember prices are without taxes | 17:24 |
| Corsac | (though with the dollar price...) | 17:24 |
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| red | Yeah and that you would have to put up with actually being the states :P | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Dassu: you will need to pay import duty and VAT | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Dassu: and the cavity searches. | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Though that may be a plus for some. | 17:30 |
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| Dassu | SpeedEvil: well, I got pretty good deal here in europe | 17:32 |
| Dassu | SpeedEvil: My current montly phone bill is something like 19euros and after the deal. My phone bill will be ~30euros for 24 months | 17:32 |
| Dassu | SpeedEvil: so the phone will be less than a 250euros in total | 17:33 |
| Dassu | only limitation is that you I have to maintain same provider for two years. However it is the same I have atm | 17:33 |
| Dassu | so awsome deal imho | 17:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | My current 'deal' is pay up front ~300 euro for discounted n900, then 30 euro for internet and calls for the next 6 mo | 17:38 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | hm | 17:39 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | killing all instances of browser,or browserd apparently reseted my phone | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | it's got a watchdog | 17:40 |
| jeremiah | woof | 17:40 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | and browser keeps crashing :( | 17:42 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | even after the restart | 17:42 |
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| ifreq | LuciusMare_n900: and what are you doing if it keeps crashing? | 17:42 |
| ifreq | surfing porn? | 17:42 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ifreq: no,clicking "web" icon | 17:42 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | it does not even turn on | 17:43 |
| flux | luciusmare_n900, maybe its cache or configuration is somehow corrupted? | 17:44 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | flux: maybe | 17:44 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | it froze | 17:44 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | and couldnt turn on agaun,no response from clicking an icon or a bookmark | 17:44 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | so i killed all the instances of browser or browserd | 17:45 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | now it does not work at all | 17:45 |
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| ifreq | LuciusMare_n900: well reboot.. | 17:45 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ifreq: after i killed it,it rebooted...er,crashed by itself | 17:46 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | but ok | 17:46 |
| FIQ | Lucius said: even after the restart | 17:46 |
| FIQ | @ifreq | 17:46 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | yes | 17:48 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | let's restart again | 17:48 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | yup,even after a triggered reboot,fail | 17:51 |
| t7g_ | make sure you power it down every once in a while so you don't get the reboot brick | 17:52 |
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| lcuk | LuciusMare_n900, which irc client are you using | 17:52 |
| LuciusMare | t7g_: why? | 17:52 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: irssi | 17:52 |
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| lcuk | can you open links with it? for instance http://google.com | 17:53 |
| LuciusMare | ... | 17:53 |
| LuciusMare | no. | 17:53 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 17:53 |
| lcuk | ie try not clicking your browser icon directly | 17:53 |
| LuciusMare | yes | 17:53 |
| LuciusMare | doesnt work | 17:53 |
| LuciusMare | hm,when clicking,xterm freezes | 17:54 |
| ifreq | what did you do 1st time when browser froze? | 17:55 |
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| lcuk | "zomg my prawns are gone" | 17:55 |
| ifreq | just killed all browser* processs? | 17:55 |
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| BluesLee | did anyone had success with anki on n900? | 17:56 |
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| * RST38h moos at whoever he has not mmooed today | 17:57 | |
| * Corsac moos back | 17:57 | |
| LuciusMare | ifreq: well,the maemo took care about it,the integrated "app x y froze,kill?" | 17:57 |
| jeremiah | You haven't mooed me. | 17:57 |
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| * javispedro waves | 17:57 | |
| LuciusMare | infobot: moo | 17:57 |
| jeremiah | moo RST38h | 17:57 |
| lcuk | LuciusMare, open new console and try: | 17:57 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 17:57 | |
| * FIQ moos at R3st8h | 17:57 | |
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| lcuk | browser --url www.google.com | 17:57 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 17:57 |
| lcuk | hy javispedro HNY | 17:57 |
| lcuk | and mooooooooooooooooo RST38h | 17:57 |
| RST38h | Heya jeremiah, lcuk, FIQ, javispedro | 17:58 |
| * lcuk waves @ jeremiah | 17:58 | |
| jeremiah | Hey lucky lcuk! | 17:58 |
| RST38h | Make sure you test the new XChat build and comment | 17:58 |
| javispedro | and happy new year. | 17:58 |
| jebba | RST38h: does the new xchat have optification? | 17:58 |
| ifreq | ah new xchat | 17:58 |
| ifreq | goodie | 17:58 |
| RST38h | jebba: No. Does it matter? | 17:58 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: doesnt output anything,just blocks the input | 17:58 |
| ifreq | is it a new package or separate? | 17:58 |
| * lcuk charms | 17:58 | |
| * RST38h needs to know a few things | 17:58 | |
| LuciusMare | oh | 17:58 |
| RST38h | 1) Do you want to keep or remove the channel title? | 17:58 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: hangs for a while,then quits | 17:59 |
| jeremiah | Keep! | 17:59 |
| jebba | RST38h: does it matter? yes. Saves space on NAND. | 17:59 |
| jebba | in fact, i just deleted it last night to save space. | 17:59 |
| RST38h | 2) Do you want folks to join #maemo at freenode by default? Or maybe #n900bies as the default channel? | 17:59 |
| lcuk | LuciusMare, you sound like you have borkened your browser | 17:59 |
| jebba | RST38h: i want optification ;) it's easy enough to add. | 17:59 |
| ifreq | 1) yes 2) dont care | 17:59 |
| lcuk | does maps start | 17:59 |
| RST38h | jebba: Well, it is a pretty small package, so I would not be obsessing with it | 17:59 |
| frals | joining people to channel default is evil | 17:59 |
| jeremiah | jebba: Good stuff on maemo-devel you sent, thanks | 17:59 |
| lcuk | (am i correct in remembering it usses the same engine) | 17:59 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: ow | 17:59 |
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| LuciusMare | lcuk: reflash? | 17:59 |
| ifreq | yeh or either autojoin to any server | 17:59 |
| RST38h | frals: the alternative is making them work through XChat's servers list | 18:00 |
| jebba | jeremiah: np. G also suggested using "puppet" to manage configs mixed with "git" to track changes. | 18:00 |
| lcuk | LuciusMare, if you like, its probably gonna be easier, but if you have knowledge to try diagnose | 18:00 |
| lcuk | it might help people in future | 18:00 |
| jebba | RST38h: ya, but all those small packages add up. What is size of /usr/bin/xchat* ? Total install size on NAND? | 18:00 |
| RST38h | jebba Depends. For FBReader I am somewhat afraid to optify, given how it works | 18:00 |
| ifreq | RST38h: yeah or type /server plaplaaa** | 18:00 |
| RST38h | jebba: don't obsess yourself too much | 18:01 |
| * lcuk will be optifying the entire liqbase folder in one go *gulp* | 18:01 | |
| javispedro | just put auto in debian/optify and let testers handle that | 18:01 |
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| jeremiah | jebba: Well, that is another great idea. But the institutional inertia is tough to overcome. | 18:01 |
| jeremiah | I'll suggest it though. | 18:01 |
| jebba | RST38h: what do you mean don't obsess yourself to much? that makes no sense. I hit 100% all the time. | 18:01 |
| RST38h | jebba: You really want to clean up your /? Figure out the way to cull localizations cache | 18:01 |
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| BluesLee | okay, does someone run ankimaemi on an nxxx device here? | 18:01 |
| RobertH[AU] | hey everyone, greetings from Aus | 18:01 |
| jebba | RST38h: that would entail rebuilding packages that I dont have the source to. | 18:01 |
| RST38h | jebba: Probably means that you 1) have some stuff there taht you are not using or 2) there is a couple of huge packages there | 18:02 |
| RST38h | jebba: No. | 18:02 |
| jebba | RST38h: I'm not using them!??! | 18:02 |
| lcuk | oh rst | 18:02 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: though if it's > 500 KiB it will just never enter extras due to negative/blocker votes from people not here. | 18:02 |
| * RST38h has tons of crap installed and is still at 80% | 18:02 | |
| lcuk | people put what they like on | 18:02 |
| RST38h | even 75% really | 18:02 |
| Andy80 | hello | 18:02 |
| RST38h | javispedro: depends | 18:02 |
| RobertH[AU] | can someone tell me if the source for the control panel is available? or where to look to find this out | 18:02 |
| lcuk | even i know that | 18:02 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: it is 240kB or so right now though | 18:03 |
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| javispedro | wow. | 18:03 |
| jebba | RST38h: for instance rtcom-call-ui Depends on a billion l10n files. I can't remove those files due to deps. I can't rebuild rtcom-call-ui because I don't have source. For example. | 18:03 |
| RST38h | javispedro Surprisingly, XCHat is not a very large package | 18:03 |
| RST38h | jebba: Yes, you can | 18:03 |
| jebba | RST38h: it is soooooooo easy to optify. Like 2 lines. | 18:03 |
| RST38h | jebba: rm -f | 18:03 |
| jebba | RST38h: ... | 18:03 |
| lcuk | the .tar.gz for xchat is 4.1mb | 18:04 |
| jebba | RST38h: why not just optify your package though? it's such a well known problem with such an easy solution... | 18:04 |
| lcuk | i know thats not code | 18:04 |
| javispedro | jebba: if it's really less than 500 KiB then I see no need to optify, really. The guidelines say so. | 18:04 |
| javispedro | (or used to say so :P ) | 18:04 |
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| RST38h | jebba: Because a lot of times, optify breaks package | 18:05 |
| lcuk | what happens if i optify a folder that some of its contents have already been optified | 18:05 |
| ShadowJK | isn't it simpler to just compile with with --prefix in /opt somewhere... | 18:06 |
| ifreq | why packages cant be installed by default into /opt/maemo/bin instead of symlinking? | 18:06 |
| jebba | RST38h: in the case of something simple like xchat it's not going to break. Easy enough to test too. | 18:06 |
| ifreq | +adding it to PATH | 18:06 |
| RST38h | jebba: So, if you are having problems with / space, I would start with du -r / |sort -rn |more | 18:06 |
| javispedro | ifreq: because they break even harder. | 18:06 |
| ifreq | javispedro: okay, just hate symlinking | 18:06 |
| ifreq | I* | 18:06 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK Possible for some packages | 18:07 |
| jebba | echo auto > debian/optify Build-Depends: maemo-optify *DONE* | 18:07 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: not sure about xchat though | 18:07 |
| jebba | so easy | 18:07 |
| * RST38h will look at optifying xchat and fbreader, when he has time | 18:07 | |
| ShadowJK | xchat even runs from the source directory in your ~ after you compile it | 18:07 |
| RST38h | that is all I can offer you, jebba. sorry. | 18:08 |
| lcuk | "du -r" not available in busybox | 18:08 |
| jebba | I'll send you a patch then RST38h ;) | 18:08 |
| ShadowJK | xchat would need that settings-crashfix patch too :) | 18:08 |
| lcuk | +100 | 18:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: just do du | 18:08 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: -r not necessary it looks | 18:08 |
| jebba | ShadowJK: that got fixed in last build it hink | 18:08 |
| lcuk | k :) | 18:08 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: I just fixed that | 18:08 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Get the newest build from extras-devel | 18:09 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 18:09 |
| wolf^ | javispedro, how does changing --prefix breaks packages? | 18:09 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK In fact, that is why jebba is complaining to me and not to qwerty | 18:09 |
| jebba | xchat uses 692.0kxcha | 18:09 |
| jebba | xchat uses 692.0k on NAND | 18:09 |
| jebba | so can't go in extras | 18:09 |
| RST38h | jebba: xchat uses ~240kB on NAND. / is compressed. | 18:09 |
| lcuk | du lists the total size of all folders? | 18:09 |
| RST38h | jebba: And you do not need to use it if you do not want to, ok? | 18:10 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yes | 18:10 |
| jebba | RST38h: that's not how the "500k limit" is calculated | 18:10 |
| lcuk | cool | 18:10 |
| ShadowJK | all those tiny things add up though :-( | 18:10 |
| RST38h | lcuk: sort -rn will sort it in decreasing order | 18:10 |
| jebba | RST38h: ok, if you don't want to help your end users i'll just rebuiild it. Lame. | 18:10 |
| lcuk | yeah i got that bit lol | 18:10 |
| lcuk | just never used du | 18:10 |
| ifreq | wolf^: yeah makes me wonder too :P | 18:10 |
| lcuk | some packages dont have autotools | 18:10 |
| RST38h | jebba: I tend to ignore obsessed people. | 18:10 |
| ShadowJK | I'm at like 30 megs free with gpodder (with optified python), less, xchat, optified mplayer, openssh, gpsjinni, location-test | 18:11 |
| wolf^ | ifreq, the one thing I can think of is the need to manually move desktop and icon files | 18:11 |
| jebba | RST38h: obsessed? wtf. | 18:11 |
| lcuk | having a working phone is important | 18:11 |
| RST38h | lcuk: There is 20+MB locale cache file that I would be very interested to cull, but not tools to do that and no documentation on it | 18:11 |
| lcuk | very important | 18:11 |
| jebba | i didnt invent the opt thing. i dont like it either, but packages should be optfied in this situation, its that simple. | 18:11 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Something is wrong | 18:11 |
| jebba | RST38h: havent you seen so many brick reports on talk.m.o? | 18:11 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: I have at least 42MB free on / with a lot more stuff installed | 18:12 |
| jebba | good for you | 18:12 |
| jebba | what about others? | 18:12 |
| jebba | did you document how you did that? | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | So like, if one were to make optified versions of stuff in sdk-tools, would the autobuilder barf? :-) | 18:12 |
| lcuk | i love 3how in modern times we are stressing about <50mb of space | 18:12 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: do du | sort thing - you may be surprised by a few things | 18:12 |
| frals | luck: aye :D | 18:12 |
| wolf^ | RST38h, which locale cache file? | 18:13 |
| RST38h | wolf: Do not remember the name, gimme a moment | 18:13 |
| ShadowJK | maybe for maemo6 there'll be outright ban on installing anything on rootfs :) | 18:13 |
| lcuk | RST38h, would you accept a tested patch? | 18:13 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Patch for what? | 18:13 |
| lcuk | optification | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | ie you dont have to work | 18:14 |
| RST38h | lcuk: the echo auto > debian/optify thing? | 18:14 |
| lcuk | i dont know which patch | 18:14 |
| lcuk | jebba mentioned sending you one | 18:14 |
| lcuk | someone file a bug report | 18:14 |
| RST38h | lcuk: well, as far as I know, it is not a patch, he was sarcastic | 18:15 |
| lcuk | then it can be handled with a patch | 18:15 |
| IffeN900 | uh xchat now looks a bit :( rather remove userlist instead of showing it like this rst38h | 18:15 |
| jebba | well, easy enough to do the patch. | 18:15 |
| lcuk | RST38h, sarcastic or not, would you accept it | 18:15 |
| RST38h | lcuk: He suggested to run it through maemo-optify. There is no way to say if it is gonna work, although I can try it | 18:15 |
| * lcuk has a bugreport for liqbase optification that will be integrated before the next release | 18:15 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Also, the results of maemo-optify are usually pretty ugly | 18:15 |
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| lcuk | i agree | 18:16 |
| jeremiah | Try it at least. | 18:16 |
| lcuk | but it works | 18:16 |
| RST38h | Iffe: userlist is currently hidden | 18:16 |
| * ShadowJK doesn't use userlist at all | 18:16 | |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Well I will see what can be done | 18:16 |
| IffeN900 | okay wonder what i dl then from the repos | 18:16 |
| red | http://digg.com/d31E0ZA | 18:16 |
| red | :) | 18:16 |
| RST38h | Iffe: I do not know. | 18:16 |
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| IffeN900 | isnt it named xchat? | 18:16 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, i did not like direct optification either, but i am going to make sure everything in liqbase is sent to /opt first (the library only is going to be touched) | 18:17 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: As I said, I will see what can be done. | 18:17 |
| * lcuk nods | 18:17 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: If optification does not work, I will not optify. | 18:17 |
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| * lcuk gets you a beer | 18:17 | |
| ifreq | RST38h: its on repos aye? | 18:17 |
| RST38h | If it works, then all is well | 18:17 |
| lcuk | RST38h, mark it under a bug then | 18:18 |
| wolf^ | RST38h, /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive? | 18:18 |
| lcuk | then others can try | 18:18 |
| RST38h | wolf: Yep, that one | 18:18 |
| wolf^ | RST38h, have a look at http://cvs.pld-linux.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/packages/glibc/glibc.spec?rev=HEAD | 18:18 |
| wolf^ | grep for localedb | 18:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: XChat config crashed for 4 months now. Has anyone looked at it? | 18:18 |
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| lcuk | i thought you were | 18:18 |
| wolf^ | there are scripts generating that file only for selected languages | 18:18 |
| lcuk | since you have xchat mods | 18:18 |
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| RST38h | wolf: I know that it is localedb. I want a tool that lets me cull it. | 18:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Exactly. | 18:19 |
| wolf^ | RST38h, and you can find them there | 18:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, even if you file a bug for optifying XChat, who is gonna look at it? | 18:19 |
| RST38h | wolf: checking | 18:19 |
| lcuk | RST38h, its something you can happily deflect people with | 18:19 |
| lcuk | they can look at what you have tried | 18:19 |
| lcuk | and what worked or not | 18:20 |
| RST38h | wolf: Well it is some data file, I kinda expected a script or a tarball to compile from :) | 18:20 |
| lcuk | without having to turn blue in the face | 18:20 |
| wolf^ | RST38h, it's spec file for rpm generation | 18:20 |
| RST38h | Ah, people can look at things, not turning anyone | 18:20 |
| wolf^ | RST38h, kind of like debian/rules | 18:20 |
| RST38h | Usually, none of them do, though | 18:21 |
| ifreq | is the modified xchat on repos (devel) and with what name? | 18:21 |
| ifreq | would love to test it | 18:21 |
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| RST38h | ifreq: xchat in -devel non-free | 18:21 |
| RST38h | ifreq: coming to -free as soon as maemo.org fixes their autobuilder (again) | 18:21 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 18:21 |
| ifreq | ok | 18:21 |
| javispedro | ouch | 18:22 |
| javispedro | seems HildonRemoteTexture doesn't support depth | 18:22 |
| wazd_e63 | Heya everyone! | 18:22 |
| wazd_e63 | Happy new year again) | 18:22 |
| javispedro | hi wazd | 18:23 |
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| ifreq | RST38h: okay got that repo.. but xchat i got from there was with userlist | 18:23 |
| ifreq | brb | 18:23 |
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| jebba | jeremiah: G: jebba: btw, just checked, 17 people as it stands have the ability if needed to fix our buildsystem | 18:24 |
| jeremiah | Which buildsystem is that? | 18:24 |
| jeremiah | jebba: Fedora's? | 18:24 |
| fnordianslippers | RST38h, using your new build here ok. any way for autocompletion of nicks? | 18:24 |
| jebba | jeremiah: ya | 18:24 |
| jeremiah | That is the way it should be. | 18:24 |
| jebba | si | 18:25 |
| jeremiah | Unfortunately maemo's is behind a corporate firewall. | 18:25 |
| jeremiah | And NDA | 18:25 |
| jeremiah | And who knows what else | 18:25 |
| RST38h | ifreq: what package version? | 18:25 |
| jeremiah | So much for open source. | 18:25 |
| RST38h | fnordian: there is a key for that, I think TAB | 18:26 |
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| RST38h | fnordian: really have to bind it to something else though | 18:26 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: well, it is not really open source, but we both know that already | 18:26 |
| ifreq | RST38h: 2.8.6-maemo13 | 18:26 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: It is Nokia building their idea of open source community | 18:27 |
| ifreq | maybe im not refreshed | 18:27 |
| RST38h | hmmm | 18:27 |
| RST38h | Should be maemo12 | 18:27 |
| RST38h | maemo13 is the source package that has not build | 18:27 |
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| fnordianslippers | RST38h, Tab on the osk doesn't work. How about assigning Ctrl+i as that works in terminal? | 18:28 |
| RST38h | fnordian: I have not looked at it yet. Will have to look into it. | 18:28 |
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| fnordianslippers | ok. cheers | 18:29 |
| pH5 | fnordianslippers: Ctrl+i is already bound to detaching/attaching windows | 18:29 |
| RST38h | 3-4 minutes of loading the page just to see the status of a package =( | 18:29 |
| fnordianslippers | oh | 18:29 |
| ifreq | RST38h: if i try to install it now it offers 13 | 18:29 |
| ifreq | so dunno | 18:29 |
| pH5 | although I like using Ctrl+i as tab, too. | 18:29 |
| RST38h | ifreq: It fucked up. :( | 18:29 |
| RST38h | ifreq: It is picking up mgedmin's package | 18:30 |
| ifreq | bah :( got deb somewhere so ill install it manually? | 18:30 |
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| RST38h | ifreq: Get maemo12 deb here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/xchat/ | 18:30 |
| ifreq | thänks | 18:31 |
| RST38h | I will build maemo14 and upload it as binary =( | 18:31 |
| RST38h | Oh wait, it built Maemo13 I uploaded! | 18:32 |
| ShadowJK | the ley assignments can be changed from settings btw | 18:32 |
| RST38h | So it is the right package. | 18:32 |
| RST38h | I know why it may show userlist still | 18:32 |
| ShadowJK | settings - advanced - keyboard shortcuts | 18:32 |
| RST38h | You have to remove ~/.xchat2 before starting it so that it has a chance to create new settings | 18:32 |
| ifreq | RST38h: hmm ok :P userlist would be nice to disable by def | 18:32 |
| ifreq | ah okay | 18:32 |
| ifreq | thanks | 18:32 |
| ifreq | will do it asap | 18:33 |
| ifreq | thats sme thing which would be nice to see on package details | 18:33 |
| ifreq | or notes whatso ever | 18:33 |
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| iffeN900 | thanks rst38h looks better now :) | 18:37 |
| LuciusMare | how do i backup my personal data before reflash? | 18:37 |
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| tigert | use the backup tool? | 18:38 |
| LuciusMare | er... | 18:38 |
| tigert | and copy memory card contents | 18:38 |
| LuciusMare | >_> | 18:38 |
| LuciusMare | thanks. | 18:38 |
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| RST38h | ifreq: It is in the changelog | 18:38 |
| tigert | of course put the backup somewhere safe if you only have an internal card | 18:39 |
| tigert | and want to reflash eMMC too... :) | 18:39 |
| ifreq | RST38h: okay thanks, anyways i like it now how it looks (keep topic on default) | 18:39 |
| RST38h | it helps to have an external card plugged in all the time | 18:39 |
| * RST38h feels xchat will look better without the topic | 18:40 | |
| ifreq | is the 16Gb limit on n900 or on microsd cards usually? | 18:40 |
| RST38h | ifreq: 16GB is the biggest one that they sell right now | 18:40 |
| RST38h | no limit though, not that I know of | 18:40 |
| ifreq | yeh as i thought | 18:40 |
| ifreq | its nice | 18:40 |
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| Arkenoi | rst38h: there are 32Gb already, but they are damn rare and expensive ($300 or so) | 18:41 |
| red | http://digg.com/d31E9G1 | 18:42 |
| red | how smart | 18:42 |
| FIQ | lol, that's almost a n900 | 18:42 |
| FIQ | more than half the price | 18:42 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: 32GB microSD??? | 18:43 |
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| LuciusMare | and will the backup tool backup my /home ? | 18:46 |
| RST38h | Autobuilder seemingly fixed | 18:46 |
| lcuk | red, when i saw that a couple of days ago i couldnt work out | 18:46 |
| lcuk | was he meant to torpedo into the water or land on the ice | 18:46 |
| lcuk | he failed anyway | 18:46 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, yup | 18:47 |
| lcuk | hi wazd_e63 | 18:47 |
| RST38h | Hehehehe: http://gizmodo.com/5438096/microsofts-lost-decade-in-mobile | 18:48 |
| LuciusMare | YESH. | 18:48 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, yep | 18:48 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: URL? | 18:48 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, murtazin had one for test half an year ago. now they are commercially available for two months or so. will try to find out who sells it.. | 18:49 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Most awesome cannonball ever... only ... aren't you supposed to tuck your legs in? | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: It does not exist unless there is a prooflink. | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Froogle does not find it. | 18:49 |
| * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to finally fix the UQM package in Extras: looks like nobody else is going to do it. | 18:50 | |
| SpeedEvil | uqm? | 18:50 |
| RST38h | Ah cool Fennec RC1 no longer flashing N900 screen madly | 18:51 |
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| RST38h | still 5sec delay between touching a bookmark and starting to load it though | 18:52 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | hey guys | 18:52 |
| Sir_Lancelot | have an AWESOME 2010 YEAR!!!!! | 18:52 |
| Dassu | ............ | 18:53 |
| javispedro | why oh, why can't I set a depth in a remote texture!! | 18:53 |
| Arkenoi | http://androidforums.com/support-troubleshooting/18240-any-32gb-micro-sd-card.html#post175073 | 18:53 |
| Arkenoi | http://androidforums.com/support-troubleshooting/18240-any-32gb-micro-sd-card.html#post220982 | 18:55 |
| ShadowJK | I heard a rumour the microb delays were fixed in future firmwares | 18:56 |
| LuciusMare | what does actually R&D mean? | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: No URL. Forum posts from random users do not count. | 18:57 |
| red | lcuk: from his expressions, looked like he had no freaking idea that water beneath ice would actually be cold | 18:57 |
| ShadowJK | research and development | 18:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - massive contentless threads -- | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I've been reading the actual docs on the USB chip. | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It seems - along with minimal reading of the kernel that the problem may at least partially be unimplemented device drivers for switching to host mode. | 18:58 |
| RobertH[AU] | Can anyone tell me how the settings are saved when you select whether the n900 should use GSM 3G or DUAL mode for phone and net? Thank you in advance | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I have found no way so far to configure the USB chip to make USB host - of some form - not work. | 18:59 |
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| LuciusMare | huh,uh | 19:04 |
| LuciusMare | i am from czech republic | 19:04 |
| LuciusMare | thats right next to germany | 19:04 |
| LuciusMare | i guess i should download global release image? | 19:04 |
| type_t | you know why we still have troops in germany? | 19:04 |
| fnordianslippers | who's we? | 19:05 |
| type_t | the UN EU US ALLIES.. | 19:05 |
| type_t | # to keep the Slavs in czech | 19:06 |
| LuciusMare | ... | 19:06 |
| LuciusMare | so what release? | 19:06 |
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| rlinfati | LuciusMare, betther ask.... what is the diferent?.... i think is only the language avariable.... | 19:08 |
| LuciusMare | rlinfati: i heard that devices bought in USA does not support europian 3g frequences | 19:08 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, 32wd_to reboot :/ | 19:09 |
| ShadowJK | first ever | 19:09 |
| rlinfati | is not the same device ? i not found how extract a ubifs... ( and i not want flash 3 time for see that is the diference... ) | 19:09 |
| rlinfati | ( usa, uk, global ) | 19:10 |
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| lcuk | red, he looked more like omfg i nearly drowned to me | 19:10 |
| lcuk | hi xnt14 hny | 19:10 |
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| RST38h | LuciusMare: no they do | 19:12 |
| GAN900 | LuciusMare, the device radio is the same everywhere. | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | The only difference is localisation - software. | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Which can be altered easily. | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | And PSU plug | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | which can't quite as easily - but is easily worked around | 19:16 |
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| * RST38h abandons any hope for a working Fennec | 19:17 | |
| LuciusMare | this is the end of all hope... | 19:17 |
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| RST38h | Well, I did not expect something written in JavaScript to work in the first place... | 19:18 |
| rlinfati | how i can change the (physical) keyboard? i can buy a new keyboard? (ex, i'm in italy.... but i speak spanish and need a "ñ" key..... ) | 19:18 |
| RST38bis | you cannot and there is a bug for it | 19:19 |
| RST38bis | but nokia ux people say that you are not supposed to | 19:19 |
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| Corsac | though you can change the layout | 19:19 |
| rlinfati | Corsac, but... if a change the layout... change a lot the blue keys... ( €()/(<> ", etc ) | 19:20 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: happy newyear mate! | 19:20 |
| crashanddie | rlinfati: use n | 19:20 |
| Corsac | rlinfati: well, if you change the physical keyboard, the layout will be changed too :/ | 19:21 |
| lcuk | hey crashanddie happy new year indeed :) | 19:21 |
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| * rlinfati thinking in paint a new layout on my n900 keyboard | 19:22 | |
| crashanddie | rlinfati: millions just use less accentuation -- remember the good ol' days of ascii? | 19:22 |
| lcuk | the n900 keyboard feels really strange to touch | 19:22 |
| lcuk | almost electric | 19:22 |
| lcuk | tiny none flatness | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: it's all a lie | 19:23 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: don't believe people who tell you they understand electricity, nobody understands it, it just happens | 19:23 |
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| javispedro | crashanddie: (using less accentuation and ntildes;)that works OK for IMs, but sucks for academia email. | 19:23 |
| javispedro | though I'm slowly getting used to the symbol palette | 19:24 |
| rlinfati | crashanddie, javispedro and work email... | 19:24 |
| Corsac | it sucks for IM too, imho | 19:24 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: if you write academia email and are bothered to go to the symbol screen, you're a lazy idiot, which disproves the first part of this sentence | 19:24 |
| lcuk | do fullsize usb keyboards work in n900 | 19:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: no | 19:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: no usb host | 19:24 |
| javispedro | crashanddie: i'm not bothered, but the symbol palette slows one down. greatly. | 19:24 |
| lcuk | apple bt ftw then | 19:25 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | lcuk: and fullsized bluetooth ones don't work either :) | 19:25 |
| crashanddie | apple bt doesn't work either, IIRC | 19:25 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Unless you ONLY want letter keys and nothing else | 19:25 |
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| lcuk | awww ffs | 19:25 |
| lcuk | :( | 19:25 |
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| lcuk | why not? | 19:25 |
| javispedro | wasn't there a bug about the weird dead key behavior in the symbol palette? | 19:25 |
| crashanddie | weird extended keyboard mapping | 19:25 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | It kinda almost works, but it uses the same layout as the built-in keyboard | 19:25 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | So you can't type number keys, punctuation, or anything that would make it even slightly more useful than the built-in keyboard | 19:26 |
| javispedro | great | 19:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Haven't tested one of my Apple BT keyboards yet, they might "work" but will be afflicted with the same stupid problem | 19:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Way to step back from the N8x0 | 19:26 |
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| crashanddie | ~Gadgetoid_mbp++ | 19:27 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Actually the N900 steps back in a lot of ways from the N8x0... inclusion of a phone, smaller size, shitty kickstand, combi USB+charging port (WHYY!!!!) | 19:28 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Although the latter doesn't matter, because the USB port is useless | 19:28 |
| * rlinfati looking the "keyboard" on my n800.... | 19:28 | |
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| crashanddie | ~Gadgetoid_mbp-- | 19:28 |
| * Gadgetoid_mbp is back where he started | 19:29 | |
| javispedro | ~karma Gadgetoid_mbp | 19:29 |
| infobot | gadgetoid_mbp has neutral karma | 19:29 |
| RST38h | Apple BT keyboard does not work with N900 | 19:29 |
| javispedro | true. | 19:29 |
| RST38h | At least I have never seen it to work. | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: confirmed | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: been reading the datashets today - I can't see a way to configure the chips to break USB-host | 19:29 |
| FIQ | ~karma FIQ | 19:29 |
| infobot | fiq has neutral karma | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: need lots more research and reading though | 19:29 |
| RST38h | ~karma javispedro | 19:29 |
| infobot | javispedro has karma of 1 | 19:29 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: I'd be happy with functional bluetooth HID | 19:29 |
| RST38h | ~karma infobot | 19:30 |
| infobot | infobot has karma of 4 | 19:30 |
| crashanddie | ~karma * | 19:30 |
| infobot | * has karma of 3 | 19:30 |
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| RST38h | ~karma rst38h | 19:30 |
| infobot | rst38h has karma of 1 | 19:30 |
| FIQ | ~karma gan900 | 19:30 |
| infobot | gan900 has neutral karma | 19:30 |
| rlinfati | ~karma random? | 19:30 |
| infobot | random? has neutral karma | 19:30 |
| RST38h | Hmmmm | 19:30 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I never really used USB host on the N810, apart from to hook up a mahoosive external hard disk and run it as a music server... which is kinda cool | 19:30 |
| rlinfati | ~karma rlinfati | 19:30 |
| infobot | rlinfati has neutral karma | 19:30 |
| crashanddie | ~karma generalantilles | 19:30 |
| infobot | generalantilles has neutral karma | 19:30 |
| crashanddie | ~karma crashanddie | 19:30 |
| infobot | crashanddie has karma of -2 | 19:30 |
| crashanddie | lol | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: displaylink | 19:30 |
| RST38h | ~lawyers crashanddie | 19:30 |
| crashanddie | :( | 19:30 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | ~Gadgetoid_iMac++ | 19:30 |
| RST38h | hmm, does not work | 19:30 |
| javispedro | displaylink! | 19:31 |
| crashanddie | ~sue RST38h | 19:31 |
| * infobot acting on orders from an unspecified client, drags RST38h into court suing for $200 million | 19:31 | |
| RST38h | yesss | 19:31 |
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| PBeck | a question to gainroot - why we have there the option --use-su? | 19:31 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Idling is awesome, lets me know my house hasn't been robbed | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: simply as connecting up a huge display and mouse and keyboard and disk would be lolworthy. | 19:31 |
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| * javispedro ponders if a muiltprocess hildonwindowstack will work | 19:31 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: true, or you could just buy a Pandora "D | 19:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro: what are you porting? =) | 19:31 |
| RST38h | you can buy a pandora? really? | 19:32 |
| PBeck | when we only use /bin/sh a .bashrc will not be viewed - so the prompt and other options will not be configured | 19:32 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: just never open it | 19:32 |
| andre__ | dear internet. I have some stupid questions: what's the name of the widget displaying all the downloadable apps in app manager in a list, one item per row? And what's the name of the widget listing all the photos in Image Viewer, with 5 photos in a row? thanks in advance... | 19:32 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: or you'll doom humanity~ | 19:32 |
| javispedro | not porting anything, but still trying to make greater use of the hildon wm features from sdl apps | 19:32 |
| crashanddie | and don't give it to your wife either | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: I lack one vital thing to buy a pandora. | 19:32 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Casharoonie? | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | n900 has blown my toys budget for pretty much the next year. | 19:33 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | *weeps* | 19:33 |
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| PBeck | ah great - instead of sudo gainroot - i can use only 'root' | 19:34 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Aww, I bought the Pandora so long ago it's become irrelevant | 19:35 |
| crashanddie | welcome to the magic of aliases | 19:35 |
| PBeck | so it will read .profiles and the .bashrc ;) | 19:35 |
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| javispedro | Gadgetoid_mbp: I though they were shipping now? | 19:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | javispedro: Allllmoooosssstt | 19:36 |
| javispedro | so "no". | 19:36 |
| javispedro | because it's been "almost" for years.. | 19:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | The first mass production fully assembled units have shipped to a select few l33t people | 19:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | With not-so-final cases | 19:36 |
| javispedro | ... a few months ago | 19:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And CraigIX has about 6 of them | 19:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | This is the most substantial "almost" yet | 19:37 |
| javispedro | Really Real Real Soon Now | 19:37 |
| javispedro | (tm) | 19:37 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Two Months (tm) | 19:38 |
| FIQ | well, at least, the "check status" shows some progress | 19:38 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Garrgleee! the only thing I can connect to in my network is the damned slingbox | 19:38 |
| |R | uhm alright mod-support scrapped the media player list and removing it and/or reinstalling it doesn't change that | 19:39 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Me should remember to set up port forwarding when I get home | 19:39 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Useless iMac is useless | 19:39 |
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| lcuk | ~crashanddie++ | 19:39 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | ~karma Gadgetoid_iMac | 19:40 |
| infobot | gadgetoid_imac has karma of 1 | 19:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Har har!! | 19:40 |
| FIQ | ~lcuk++ | 19:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | ~Gadgetoid_mbp++ | 19:40 |
| lcuk | :D | 19:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | ~karma Gadgetoid_mbp | 19:40 |
| infobot | gadgetoid_mbp has neutral karma | 19:40 |
| * Gadgetoid_mbp boos | 19:40 | |
| lcuk | ~karma crashanddie | 19:40 |
| infobot | crashanddie has karma of -1 | 19:40 |
| lcuk | ~crashanddie++ | 19:41 |
| lcuk | ~karma crashanddie | 19:41 |
| infobot | crashanddie has neutral karma | 19:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | ~crashanddie++ | 19:41 |
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| lcuk | :) | 19:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Lickety split quick :D | 19:41 |
| lcuk | everyone should start a new year on even terms | 19:41 |
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| RST38h | ~karma lcuk+12 | 19:41 |
| infobot | lcuk+12 has neutral karma | 19:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | My father in law has a completely unused slim PS3 sitting upstairs in its box | 19:41 |
| RST38h | ~lcuk+12 | 19:42 |
| lcuk | :) thanks rst | 19:42 |
| RST38h | ~karma lcuk | 19:42 |
| infobot | lcuk has karma of 1 | 19:42 |
| RST38h | does not work | 19:42 |
| lcuk | no | 19:42 |
| javispedro | ~lcuk+=12 | 19:43 |
| javispedro | ~karma lcuk | 19:43 |
| infobot | lcuk has karma of 1 | 19:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Ooo, part 2! | 19:43 |
| javispedro | ~lcuk++++++ | 19:43 |
| javispedro | ~karma lcuk | 19:43 |
| infobot | lcuk has karma of 1 | 19:43 |
| javispedro | well, we tried. | 19:44 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm... BBC HD doesn't look so good through an SD SlingBox :D | 19:44 |
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| javispedro | i have to say the n900 is a pretty good skype phone | 19:45 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Haven't tried it on skype yet | 19:47 |
| lcuk | javispedro, i have to say the n900 is a pretty good * | 19:47 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | ~lcuk++ | 19:47 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Is Karma officially a bad meme? | 19:47 |
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| lcuk | i want karma to be like wow gold | 19:47 |
| javispedro | yeah, after nearly a month of using it, I think that putting diablo on it is much less of a priority :) | 19:47 |
| lcuk | farming in the bug lists | 19:47 |
| lcuk | churning through the lower raid | 19:48 |
| lcuk | s | 19:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Farmed by chinese people? | 19:48 |
| lcuk | if required | 19:48 |
| javispedro | no, farmed by tmoers | 19:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I dread the release of the new WoW expansion | 19:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | How the hell are they going to time that vs Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 | 19:48 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt know | 19:48 |
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| javispedro | oh my, a theme hospital clone!! | 19:49 |
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| lcuk | ^^ i always have to double read that mick | 19:49 |
| lcuk | javispedro, i read it as yours initially | 19:49 |
| lcuk | every time | 19:49 |
| javispedro | aaaaaaaaaaaaah I waaaaaaaaaant ittttt | 19:49 |
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| javispedro | no free game data files. | 19:51 |
| javispedro | probably no extras then :( | 19:51 |
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| javispedro | ooooooooooooooooooo I want it. | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | waaah xchat 11->13. Even saves 60k | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | let's see what changed :-)) | 19:55 |
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| andre__ | DocScrutinizer, still crashing when changing anything in the prefs? :) | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | moment please :) | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | oh F*****CK. Black background now. Who THE HECK...??? | 19:57 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | javispedro: theme hospital clone!? | 19:58 |
| javispedro | yep | 19:58 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'd sooner see BG1 and BG2, but that sounds leedicious | 19:58 |
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| javispedro | though the clone is not much completed. | 19:59 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm filling my N900 up with a dangerous amount of shit | 20:00 |
| javispedro | but still, cool factor is priceless. | 20:00 |
| woglinde | re | 20:00 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Another Xchat update... | 20:01 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | din dins wheee | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | andre: no more segfaults (up til now) but nuked all my settings it seems :-(((( | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | andre__: nah. not all at least | 20:08 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 20:20 |
| LuciusMare | i followed the dirrections to reflash my device | 20:20 |
| LuciusMare | after connecting to USB,it turned on,mounted and started charging >_> | 20:20 |
| LuciusMare | is that expected? | 20:21 |
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| andre__ | LuciusMare, which Operating System? | 20:21 |
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| LuciusMare | andre__: linux | 20:21 |
| idra | hello I built an example package with Esbox (using the maemo 5 virt img as build environment) | 20:22 |
| LuciusMare | or if you ask,fremantle | 20:22 |
| idra | it installs fine using dpkg -i in the N900 but fails in red pill mode for the application manager | 20:22 |
| idra | it gives back the error: Incompatible application package | 20:22 |
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| idra | is there a way to know what's the problem ? | 20:23 |
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| LuciusMare | hello,i am flashing over there... | 20:23 |
| * LuciusMare needs help | 20:23 | |
| GAN900 | LuciusMare, hold down u | 20:23 |
| LuciusMare | u? | 20:23 |
| GAN900 | On the keyboard of the N900 | 20:24 |
| LuciusMare | u! | 20:24 |
| * LuciusMare holds down the u | 20:24 | |
| LuciusMare | u-h oh | 20:24 |
| jebba | LuciusMare: unplug and power off. Hold down U and then plug in USB | 20:24 |
| LuciusMare | ah | 20:24 |
| LuciusMare | :/ | 20:25 |
| LuciusMare | that is not there | 20:25 |
| idra | any taker ? | 20:25 |
| LuciusMare | 1. Now turn off your device (make sure you unplug the charger or else the device wont power down completely, you can plug the device back into power once it starts flashing) and plug in the USB cable to a port on the computer and the port on your device. | 20:26 |
| LuciusMare | :/ | 20:26 |
| jebba | LuciusMare: where you reading? | 20:26 |
| LuciusMare | jebba: maem wiki | 20:27 |
| jebba | specifically? | 20:27 |
| LuciusMare | *maemo | 20:27 |
| LuciusMare | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 20:27 |
| GAN900 | LuciusMare, you don't actually need to hold down u | 20:27 |
| jebba | LuciusMare: "N900: Remove USB and plug it back. Hold U to get to boot screen with usb logo in top right, letgo." from that page | 20:27 |
| LuciusMare | jebba: third step | 20:28 |
| LuciusMare | i follow the steps in order | 20:28 |
| jebba | GAN900 if you don't hold down U it just boots up when plugged in to USB | 20:28 |
| GAN900 | LuciusMare, but it makes it a bit more forgiving with the timing, so since you're having trouble . . . | 20:28 |
| GAN900 | jebba, there's a 2 second window where it waits for the flasher. :) | 20:28 |
| jebba | ah well.... | 20:28 |
| GAN900 | jebba, so if you've started the flasher it'll flash. | 20:29 |
| LuciusMare | okay | 20:29 |
| * GAN900 has been flashing tablets since 2005. ;) | 20:29 | |
| LuciusMare | so i held U | 20:29 |
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| LuciusMare | there is a very dark screen with nokia and usb logo in corner,right? | 20:29 |
| GAN900 | Right, now start the flasher. | 20:29 |
| LuciusMare | okay,it is doing something | 20:31 |
| LuciusMare | erasing CMT | 20:31 |
| LuciusMare | :o | 20:32 |
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| LuciusMare | programming CMT | 20:32 |
| LuciusMare | :> | 20:32 |
| Jaffa | Right. Time for Doctor Who (ish) | 20:32 |
| LuciusMare | wee | 20:33 |
| LuciusMare | ^^ | 20:33 |
| LuciusMare | i just hope i didnt save the backups on rootfs | 20:33 |
| LuciusMare | :o | 20:33 |
| LuciusMare | oh,it's like the first time...wait a minute. | 20:33 |
| jebba | it saves backups in MyDocs | 20:34 |
| jebba | or at least in /home/user (not NAND for sure) | 20:34 |
| LuciusMare | okay... | 20:34 |
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| jebba | ahhahaha! I just booted up Fedora 12 on my N900 :)) | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh. My laptop hd is looking dodgy, so I am backing up / to the phone... | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Insane! | 20:39 |
| LuciusMare | and if you care,the reflashing pretty much fixed my problem with web browser | 20:39 |
| lcuk | LuciusMare, dont doubt it | 20:40 |
| lcuk | so you didnt follow investigation | 20:40 |
| * LuciusMare smiles dumbily | 20:40 | |
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| LuciusMare | no | 20:40 |
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| LuciusMare | i know its dirty | 20:42 |
| lcuk | fair enough | 20:42 |
| lcuk | are you reinstalling apps after backup | 20:42 |
| lcuk | and once you have ,check you dont still have browser problem | 20:42 |
| lcuk | incase it was something you installed before | 20:42 |
| heinx | hi, where to get the changelog for just updated irc and msn plugins? | 20:44 |
| LuciusMare | yes | 20:47 |
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| GAN900 | Woo, clueless people on Talk. | 20:48 |
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| frals | wow pygtk was really easy to use | 20:49 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | GAN900: That's news... | 20:53 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Oh wait | 20:53 |
| heinx | hmm.. the irc plugin: account-plugin-idle seems to be now missing from the im accounts list, after the update | 20:53 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I hold God in the same regard as people who know what they're talking about on internet forums... both could conceivably exist, but I doubt it. | 20:54 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | heinx: There seems to be a dodgy new one that conflicts with every sodding account plugin I've already got installed for some reason | 20:54 |
| lcuk | god exists on tmo, and he doesnt know what hes talking about | 20:55 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Actually, the conflicts seem to have disappeared | 20:55 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | lcuk: Wow, that would cause a few Christians to take stock of their lives | 20:55 |
| heinx | anyway, it would be cool if highlighted irc rows and querys would be redirected to the phone.. | 20:56 |
| heinx | possible after being idle for some time | 20:56 |
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| lcuk | Gadgetoid_iMac, he got banned for 2 weeks as well | 20:56 |
| heinx | I guess an irssi perl script would do the trick | 20:57 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I haven't been banned from any internet forums lately... I'm clearly not trying hard enough | 20:57 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | White supremacist internet forums are still the best in the world | 20:58 |
| lcuk | heinx, just have an n900 client in the chan | 20:58 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | The one place you can be assured that, no matter how dumb you may be, you'll feel like a freaking genius | 20:58 |
| lcukn900 | then you can access eveything | 20:58 |
| heinx | lcuk, too much maintenance | 20:59 |
| heinx | i would actually only require some kind of alert when somebody is saying something to me | 20:59 |
| lcuk | i agree tho a generic clipboard transfer would work | 20:59 |
| heinx | then I can open up ssh/irssi | 20:59 |
| lcuk | just use clipboard itself | 21:00 |
| lcuk | then it works for browser urls and everything | 21:00 |
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| shiny_ | Good evening #maemo - I wondered if this would be the right place to ask about a problem with my N900? Or is there somewhere else anyone could recommend? | 21:02 |
| lcuk | just ask | 21:02 |
| lcuk | if its wrong you will be left cold | 21:02 |
| lcuk | happy new year | 21:02 |
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| shiny_ | Sounds reasonable :) | 21:03 |
| heinx | lcuk, i tried also the irssiproxy irssi plugin and a native irssi client on n900, but that won't work because it doesn't show the channel history when you connect | 21:03 |
| heinx | this irssi dilemma is killing me :) I didn't even have one before the n900 :) | 21:03 |
| lcuk | heinx, dunno, always hated seeing history of chans, im always tempted to answer a question from the last session | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hey who's the man to get this cake waiting for him, for fixing xchat? Great! Many thanks | 21:04 |
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| heinx | always on ssh is pretty good but that also disconnects when going from wlan to 3g | 21:05 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, RST38h | 21:05 |
| heinx | and it seems to get stuck so that it seems ok, but it's disconnected until you notice it | 21:05 |
| shiny_ | Well, I've been doing some work with Pluthon and the maemo-pc-connectivity kit, and all of a sudden, my N900 doesn't seem to want to output any audio. I'm not sure whether this is actual cause-and-effect. Audio not working for whatever reason seems to be causing odd behaviour elsewhere, such as phonecalls being speaker by default, and the browser consuming 100% cpu (though not sure if this is related.) | 21:05 |
| shiny_ | (I realise the answer might be "reflash" which is fine, but wondered if anyone had experienced anything similar.) | 21:06 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I wondered why the town in the flight scene at the end of Willy Wonka looked decidedly european | 21:06 |
| lcuk | shiny_, sounds like you borkened something, have you checked with bugs.maemo.org yet to see if theres similar posted there | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | o_O tea ready bbl | 21:07 |
| * lucent Yawn of the dead's | 21:07 | |
| shinkamui | good morning / afternoon partygoers | 21:08 |
| lucent | good afternoon/night/evening and/or morning to all | 21:08 |
| shinkamui | I woke up to a delightful number of updates | 21:08 |
| shinkamui | :) | 21:08 |
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| lucent | really? maybe Ovi Store... need to check | 21:09 |
| Mysterious | hi again | 21:09 |
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| rEv9 | I have been search for a while after (python) qt maemo documentation, but I cannot find anything usefull.. where can I find the api reference? I want to use the native maemo qt style | 21:10 |
| lucent | ha just kidding, no Ovi Store | 21:10 |
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| shinkamui | god what a shitty thought | 21:11 |
| shinkamui | almost installed tuxpaint | 21:11 |
| shinkamui | because I need a photoeditor | 21:11 |
| shinkamui | but tuxpaint =~ kidpix | 21:11 |
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| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Fedora foto (crappy) of Fedora 12 on N900 | 21:12 |
| Arkenoi | some pen test oriented distribution would be more useful | 21:13 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | hi | 21:14 |
| jebba | pen test? wtf for | 21:15 |
| lucent | shinkamui: I'm not here to censor you, but your choice of words is recorded in publicly searchable logs | 21:15 |
| jebba | LuciusMare_n900: cool, you're running :) | 21:15 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Dual boot? | 21:15 |
| jebba | Gadgetoid_mbp: triple boot actually. fremantle, mer, fedora | 21:15 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Dear public. Fuck you! | 21:15 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | jebba: Nice! | 21:15 |
| shinkamui | lucent lol, then I hope no one is reading what I write on efnet ;) | 21:15 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Ewww.. you're the creepy cybersex whisperer!? | 21:16 |
| shinkamui | I shall refrain, however from using such langauge in this channel | 21:16 |
| lucent | probably not, but here it's possible to show up in a wordpress blog post or something easily | 21:16 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm not even anonymous and I don't give a rats left arse cheek... or the right one for that matter | 21:16 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Of course I could be mistaken for a malicious impersonator | 21:17 |
| red | jebba: why fedora | 21:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Because fedora is a fetching hat | 21:17 |
| lucent | Gadgetoid_mbp: no, I'm the robot whisperer (ala horse whisperer) | 21:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | jebba: How's Mer on the N900? | 21:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | lucent: How's alcatel? | 21:18 |
| lucent | arise my droids! - err.r... wait | 21:18 |
| lucent | hah | 21:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Sorry, worst joke ever | 21:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | lucent: sccreeeeeeee aaaaaawwww squeeeeaaak squeeeeeeel screeeeee | 21:18 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Sorry, you'll have to demodulate that to understand it | 21:18 |
| lucent | demodulate a quote from Deliverance ? | 21:19 |
| lucent | no... thank you. | 21:19 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hahahaha | 21:19 |
| jebba | red: why not? ;) | 21:19 |
| red | ah its like that :p | 21:19 |
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| lucent | ...that's the way it is. | 21:19 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Mer is about as useful on the N810 as BeOS | 21:19 |
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| jebba | Gadgetoid_mbp: re: Mer, see: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Mer | 21:20 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But it's fair to say that it has come a long way, and shows promise | 21:20 |
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| lucent | I find no clear one-liner of what Mer is. | 21:21 |
| lucent | Mer is the ... ? | 21:22 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Mer is a replacement OS for a variety of handheld (mostly tablet) devices | 21:22 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | In its extreme infancy | 21:22 |
| lucent | good description, thank you | 21:22 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Although it booted and had working wifi + Tear web browser on my N810 | 21:22 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But was otherwise useless and buggy | 21:22 |
| lucent | linux based or not? | 21:23 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Indeed | 21:23 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | It's worth a try for geeky curiosity, but not yet on the n900 | 21:23 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I'm in the middle of a mind battle here | 21:27 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | I have until the 8th of month to return my n900 | 21:27 |
| Sir_Lancelot | ou keep it for ever | 21:27 |
| Caesium | easy decision :p | 21:28 |
| Sir_Lancelot | until now, I haven't seen much of n900 that would | 21:28 |
| lucent | Sir_Lancelot: what's not to like? | 21:28 |
| Sir_Lancelot | make my decision easy | 21:28 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I see there's a lot of potencial | 21:28 |
| Sir_Lancelot | but nothing big comming out of it | 21:28 |
| Sir_Lancelot | is there any hope | 21:28 |
| Sir_Lancelot | ? | 21:28 |
| Caesium | well what do you want out of it? | 21:29 |
| Caesium | some of us here are already perfectly happy with it (me) :) | 21:29 |
| lucent | there are hardware considerations, the USB host mode is not possible to implement, battery life will not improve much more than it is right now | 21:29 |
| Caesium | xterm + ssh is the best I've ever used on any mobile device | 21:29 |
| SplasPood | hrm, I thought USB host mode was a possibility... | 21:29 |
| lucent | no possibility for multi-touch input (not that I know about) | 21:29 |
| SplasPood | swear I saw something in one of the repos | 21:29 |
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| lucent | SplasPood: it was certainly for N810 | 21:29 |
| GAN900 | Sir_Lancelot, return it, don't burden us with you indecision. | 21:30 |
| SplasPood | lucent: :( oh | 21:30 |
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| GAN900 | lucent, not possible is too strong. | 21:30 |
| lucent | it is not possible. | 21:30 |
| GAN900 | lucent, it may be difficult, but absolute terms aren't useful at this point. :) | 21:30 |
| Sir_Lancelot | GAN900, please die. Don't burden us with your existance | 21:30 |
| GAN900 | lucent, where do you get your info? | 21:31 |
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| wolf^ | Sir_Lancelot, go to fortune teller for such kind of info | 21:31 |
| lucent | pins are not wired, so if you wanted host usb that would be warranty voiding stuff | 21:31 |
| GAN900 | Sir_Lancelot, if you're not happy with it, clearly it's not the device for you. | 21:31 |
| Sir_Lancelot | what kind of answer is that? I was just asking for opinions. Isn't that the reason of existance of this chanel? So that people can talk?? | 21:31 |
| GAN900 | Thus, return it. | 21:31 |
| GAN900 | Seems easy to me. | 21:31 |
| Sir_Lancelot | ok thanks | 21:31 |
| Sir_Lancelot | bye | 21:31 |
| SplasPood | GAN900: I think youre being a bit lame | 21:32 |
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| GAN900 | Sir_Lancelot, if, on the other hand, you're digging around trying to get us to justify you keeping it. . . . | 21:32 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Sir_Lancelot: Return it, to me :D | 21:32 |
| SplasPood | But oh well, too late now. | 21:32 |
| GAN900 | SplasPood, meh, after enough years listening to lines like that it wears thin. | 21:32 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'll swap it for an iPhone 3G, har | 21:32 |
| lucent | I wanted a device to use a full web browser on that fits in my pocket, and has a cellular modem | 21:32 |
| GAN900 | SplasPood, what should I do? Convince him there's hope and he should keep it? | 21:32 |
| SplasPood | GAN900: He has valid points... Obviously the future may bring solutions to his concerns/problems, but it also may not. | 21:33 |
| lucent | N900 is worth the $500 investment to me | 21:33 |
| SplasPood | GAN900: thats what he was lookin for ya | 21:33 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I wanted the best smartphone on the market, so the N900 is worth the £350 investment to me | 21:33 |
| SplasPood | I'm a bit more of a dedicated tinkerer | 21:33 |
| SplasPood | but I have similar concerns | 21:33 |
| Caesium | £350? you import it? | 21:33 |
| * Caesium couldn't be bothered and got it from expansys at full whack | 21:33 | |
| SplasPood | the device shows lots of promise, but will that promise come to fruition? I wonder that myself. | 21:33 |
| GAN900 | SplasPood, the result is more likely to be that his expectations get built up, they don't get met and he's pissed when the return deadline passes. | 21:33 |
| lucent | Gadgetoid_mbp: "the best" ? I consider the Neo Freerunner to be the best because of its open design through and through | 21:33 |
| GAN900 | SplasPood, so, no, totally not worth it. | 21:33 |
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| Caesium | he can always buy another one later. | 21:33 |
| SplasPood | GAN900: Thats his problem when he makes his personal decision | 21:34 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Caesium: Nokia UK store with their stupid broken discount voucher system | 21:34 |
| GAN900 | SplasPood, either you believe in the platform or you don't. | 21:34 |
| lucent | N900 is a compromise for me | 21:34 |
| Caesium | Gadgetoid_mbp: bleh, missed that one :) | 21:34 |
| SpeedEvil | LULUCENluclucen what are you basing that on. The couple of hours of reading datasheets I've done today says theere are no seperate USB host pins. | 21:34 |
| SpeedEvil | And combining that with the limited reading f the driver finding no appropriate support for switching into host mode seems to lead to it not being implemented in software as one possible conclusion. | 21:35 |
| GAN900 | lucent, warranty voiding does not equal "not possible". :) | 21:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | lucent: Pffft, what would you know! you're only a modem :D | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil | liuluce: freerunner has _MAJOR_ hardware suckage in several ways. | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil | luce: for example - the graphics card is connected over a 7 megabyute/second bus, that is shared with the SD, and locks up the CPU when you access it. | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | So youSo push 3 meg a second to the graphics card, and you've lost 40% of CPU | 21:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: Did they design it by putting all the chips into a washing machine full of epoxy resin? | 21:36 |
| lucent | that's to my point though, an open design (in any state of development) is "best" to me | 21:36 |
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| SplasPood | lucent: agreed | 21:37 |
| bobbyd | hi | 21:37 |
| wolf^ | SpeedEvil, but it's free, as in rms free, so it's obviously superior to any other design :> | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | gadge: unfortunately, mobile phone design is a bitch. | 21:37 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | lucent: Pandora-dora-dora we adore her-dora-dora if she's only come to market then we'd whore her | 21:37 |
| angasule | I'm reformatting /dev/mmcblk0, should I keep it as fat or switch to ext2? | 21:37 |
| lucent | Gadgetoid_mbp: that was -almost- shuttleworth-ian | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_ many mobile phone parts are onblu avilable in silly quantitieds, and docs are almost unobtainable. | 21:38 |
| bobbyd | I'm definitely in the "loving the n900" camp :) | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | gadge: the GPU was picked on the baseis - as I can guess - of a 2 page spec-sheet. Which lied a lot. | 21:38 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | The N900 should have come ext2/3 formatted with a label on it saying "use a fsking fat formatted memory card n00b!" | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: It turned out that performance with the GPU was at best a wash with the earlier revision with a clock half as fast. And adding the GPU cost a year of delays. | 21:39 |
| angasule | I have an N810 | 21:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: These "open" projects seem awash with fail | 21:40 |
| angasule | and I'm talking about the internal memory, btw | 21:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Likewise | 21:40 |
| SplasPood | I have a N770 sitting in the closet all lonely and feelin useless ;) | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: It wasn't paradoxically the open part of openmoko which failed IMO. | 21:40 |
| SplasPood | I used to use it with fbreader to read books | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: it was the paid part, which failed utterly to communicate to the community what it was not doing. | 21:40 |
| angasule | Gadgetoid_mbp: that didn't quite answer my question, though, any disadvantages to using ext2? | 21:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | The internal memory on all should just have been ext formatted, considering you can still access a fat memory card over USB | 21:40 |
| GAN900 | SplasPood, "N770" isn't a thing. | 21:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | angasule: lack of USB access in Winblows, not sure about OSX/Linux though | 21:41 |
| SplasPood | GAN900: eh? | 21:41 |
| angasule | Gadgetoid_mbp: that's all? thanks, I don't use windows, I'll check with linux | 21:41 |
| GAN900 | angasule, swap resides on fat. | 21:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Not that I've tried it myself, despite dumping some of my root files onto the internal memory and symlinking them | 21:41 |
| GAN900 | angasule, swap resides on fat. | 21:42 |
| GAN900 | angasule, if you switch the whole thing to ext (use ext3) then you'll have to enable swap manually. | 21:42 |
| angasule | GAN900: I'm pretty sure swap is not activated by default? :? | 21:42 |
| bobbyd | has anyone tried all the browsers available for the n900 atm? I'm looking for something more lightweight and faster than microb / fennec. | 21:42 |
| angasule | I don't want ext3, ext2 is fine | 21:42 |
| GAN900 | angasule, meaning you can't turn it on in the GUI. | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | angasule: yes it is | 21:42 |
| GAN900 | angasule, you want ext3. | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | bobbyd: lynx | 21:42 |
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| angasule | GAN900: why? | 21:42 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | GAN900: that's hardly a loss if he's competent enough to format it to ext in the first place... I would hope... | 21:43 |
| angasule | SpeedEvil: hmm, ok, in the control thingie? I thought it was disabled, I'll check | 21:43 |
| GAN900 | angasule, ext2 is likely to lead to more flash wear with the amount of wd resets diablo tends to get. | 21:43 |
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| GAN900 | Gadgetoid_mbp, just so he's aware. :) | 21:43 |
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| angasule | GAN900: isn't ext3 worse in that respect? | 21:43 |
| bobbyd | SpeedEvil: hmm, does that one have a graphical view? I remember one of the text-based browsers does. | 21:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | GAN900: true, dat | 21:43 |
| GAN900 | SplasPood, it's a 770. | 21:43 |
| SplasPood | GAN900: What do you mean? | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | bobbyd: no. It's fast though. | 21:43 |
| bobbyd | ok | 21:44 |
| SplasPood | GAN900: oh was it? | 21:44 |
| GAN900 | angasule, not if it has to be fscked on every reset. | 21:44 |
| SplasPood | GAN900: excuse me then :) | 21:44 |
| GAN900 | SplasPood, 770 wasn't part of Nseries. | 21:44 |
| SplasPood | yea, you're correct | 21:44 |
| GAN900 | N800 was the first Maemo device to be (which was probably a mistake) | 21:44 |
| AakashPatel | Does Nokia Messaging have "push" functionality? | 21:44 |
| GAN900 | AakashPatel, should. | 21:45 |
| angasule | parted says it doesn't support ext3, meh | 21:45 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: from the looks of it, not yet... | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh. | 21:45 |
| AakashPatel | :( | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | fat can't do files >2G can it. | 21:45 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs that killing his backup | 21:45 | |
| angasule | the internal memory is 2G anyway :) | 21:45 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: i'm trying to figure that bit out :P | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | angasule: I mean on the external | 21:46 |
| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Fedora Ok, the HOWTO is there now | 21:46 |
| angasule | the internal is used for apps and such, right? | 21:46 |
| adalal | SpeedEvil: fat can't do 4gb | 21:46 |
| adalal | SpeedEvil: Max file size on fat is 4GB minus 1 byte | 21:46 |
| adalal | or 4GB minus 1 block size | 21:47 |
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| angasule | meh, so I have to choose between ext2 and fat, I guess, unless there is an easy way to format it to ext3? | 21:47 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | jebba: an interesting curiosity, but can you DO anything with Fedora yet? | 21:48 |
| angasule | hmm, I'll make an ext2 and look for a way to turn on journalling later | 21:48 |
| jebba | Gadgetoid_mbp: not that i know of ;) | 21:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | jebba: Well done, you win at geek! | 21:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | ~jebba++ | 21:48 |
| jebba | heh | 21:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Now put Ubuntu on it, with a gnome desktop, har! | 21:49 |
| crashanddie | ext3 doesn't provide anything useful tbh | 21:49 |
| jebba | ya, except that journaling thing | 21:49 |
| crashanddie | which is useless on a user-mounted partition | 21:49 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | journaling, who needs journaling, if I wanted to remember what I'd changed, I'd write it down in a notebook! | 21:49 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 21:50 |
| jebba | crashanddie: why on earth is journaling useless because it's user mounted? why would that make a difference? | 21:50 |
| adalal | journaling helps in read / search speeds | 21:50 |
| angasule | Gadgetoid_mbp: I tried using a notebook to help my memory, but I kept forgetting to write things down, or I'd forget to read it, or I'd forget the notebook | 21:50 |
| jebba | uh, and in crash recovery.... | 21:50 |
| angasule | I think I lost the notebook, actually | 21:50 |
| adalal | and defragmenting | 21:50 |
| angasule | I wish I was kidding :P | 21:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah I always pop up textedit/notepad/gedit to write things down | 21:50 |
| AakashPatel | hmm does linux "defragment"? | 21:50 |
| AakashPatel | like in windoze? | 21:51 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And end up with lots of files called "notes" or "more notes" | 21:51 |
| crashanddie | jebba: well, what's the point of journaling for a storage unit? (I'm assuming we're talking about the 32gb storage partition, and not system) | 21:51 |
| cehteh | AakashPatel: a lot less and for solid state media it doesnt matter | 21:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Defragment is actually a big issue on solid state. | 21:51 |
| jebba | crashanddie: uh, if you crash you can recover quickly. What's the difference where it is? and "storage unit"??? | 21:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | The eraseblock size is a few hundred K. | 21:51 |
| AakashPatel | ah | 21:51 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | hi | 21:52 |
| jebba | i fsck my microSD all the time and i'm glad it's ext3 and not ext2 or it would take forever | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Random write behaviour can actually have pathalogical easily hit worst-cases of a few dozen K a second. | 21:52 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | You dirty fscker | 21:52 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | jebba: is that fscker or censored f word? | 21:52 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | nvm | 21:53 |
| lucent | nerd pun. | 21:53 |
| SplasPood | lol | 21:53 |
| angasule | jebba: how do you accomplish that? excessive hacking? :) | 21:53 |
| dymaxion | hiya. I used to use my shared my mobile 3G connection to my N810 tablet via bluetooth, but can't seem to figure out how to do this with N900 .. any ideas? found a thread on maemo talk but no solution... | 21:53 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i want to install touchsearch but it says i am missing python-gobject - though i have all the extras repos applied | 21:53 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | dymaxion: install the thingy that makes the other thingy work | 21:54 |
| SpeedEvil | dymaxion: you mean how to share, or how to share from | 21:54 |
| lucent | dymaxion: you might need the DUN profile from extras (or is it extras-devel) ? | 21:54 |
| jebba | angasule: yes | 21:54 |
| SpeedEvil | dymaxion: are you wanting the n900 to be the modem | 21:54 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | That's the one | 21:54 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DUN DUN DUN! | 21:54 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Wouldn't 3G be PAN? | 21:54 |
| lucent | have a great new years day everyone, I'll be snowboarding. | 21:54 |
| AakashPatel | is there any time of "push" mail solution for gmail for the n900? | 21:55 |
| angasule | is the internal memory automatically used to store installed programs? | 21:55 |
| AakashPatel | type& | 21:55 |
| * SpeedEvil awaits lucent_snowboarding logging in. | 21:55 | |
| SplasPood | SpeedEvil: what wacky client are you using to IRC? | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | lucent: find some golves with thin fingertips, and the keryboard is actually surprisiongly usable | 21:55 |
| adalal | what program in maemo5 supports msn protocols? | 21:56 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | :/ | 21:56 |
| angasule | adalal: pidgin | 21:56 |
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| angasule | oh, maemo5 | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | SplasPood: I am using my laptop with pidgin ATM. However duer to the disk incipiently breaking, I am getting about a 5 second lag on all typung | 21:56 |
| AakashPatel | adalal: telepathy-haze with the extra protocals package | 21:56 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | or you can install the msn plugin | 21:56 |
| SplasPood | SpeedEvil: your /me actions show up oddly: | 21:56 |
| SplasPood | 14:57 < SpeedEvil> +AACTION awaits lucent_snowboarding logging in.A | 21:56 |
| adalal | angasule: yeah there is pidgin, but i was hoping one with video chatting options | 21:56 |
| * AakashPatel test | 21:56 | |
| SpeedEvil | SplasPood: as ofr some reason tarring up my whole fs and dropping it on the n900 is sucking way more CPU than it should. | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:57 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: and do you know if libfarsight works? | 21:57 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | SplasPood: your clent sucks,i see it right | 21:57 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ;) | 21:57 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: for video? | 21:57 |
| SplasPood | LuciusMare_n900: hrm, it's irssi... | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | SplasPood: that's pidgin. I dunno. | 21:57 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | huh | 21:57 |
| angasule | adalal: oh, there was some talk about it yesterday, I think it's coming, but not quite there | 21:57 |
| AakashPatel | adalal: Nope | 21:57 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i use irssi too | 21:57 |
| AakashPatel | I dunno | 21:57 |
| SplasPood | LuciusMare_n900: maybe it's my proxy? I can't say I've seen this before elsewhere | 21:57 |
| * SplasPood test | 21:57 | |
| dymaxion | SpeedEvil, no I'm looking for the N900 to be the client connecting to my N70 modem | 21:57 |
| * LuciusMare_n900 slaps SplasPood with a large trout. | 21:57 | |
| SplasPood | hrm, yes for some reason | 21:58 |
| AakashPatel | hmm i wonder when facebook chat plugin is gonan be released | 21:58 |
| SplasPood | there is always a + prepended to everyone's messages as I see them | 21:58 |
| AakashPatel | SplasPood: yo' screwd | 21:58 |
| AakashPatel | dawg. | 21:58 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: where's telepathy haze? oh which repository? cuz it's not on the maemo-extras for fremantle | 21:58 |
| SplasPood | for example: | 21:58 |
| SplasPood | 15:00 < AakashPatel> +dawg. | 21:58 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | fail. | 21:58 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | anyway,back to my dependencies problem | 21:58 |
| AakashPatel | adalal: extras-devel | 21:58 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i want to install touchsearch but it says i am missing python-gobject - though i have all the extras repos applied | 21:58 |
| AakashPatel | adalal: just look for the ... | 21:59 |
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| AakashPatel | Pidgin-supported protocals plugin for Maemo 5 | 21:59 |
| AakashPatel | in the devel | 21:59 |
| AakashPatel | it'll install haze as a dep, and give you all the protocals | 21:59 |
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| AakashPatel | s/protocals/protocols/ | 22:00 |
| infobot | AakashPatel meant: it'll install haze as a dep, and give you all the protocols | 22:00 |
| * dymaxion only has 50Mb left in rootfs :-( and have only been installing so far from maemo-extras ... not devel nor test... gosh... | 22:01 | |
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| AakashPatel | dymaxion: yeah i think that doesnt matter too much | 22:01 |
| cehteh | most bigger packages install in /opt .. 50MB on rootfs is still a lot | 22:01 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | All ur root are belong to use | 22:02 |
| AakashPatel | i have like 44MB free | 22:02 |
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| dymaxion | phew! so long as noone puts a duff package in that shoves a load of libraries in root :-) | 22:02 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | my rootfs just seems stuck about 87% | 22:02 |
| AakashPatel | damn maemo.org is slowwww | 22:03 |
| * dymaxion is looking for DUN package in the repos, and hopes that this will enable his N900 to connect to his N70 modem | 22:03 | |
| adalal | AakashPatel: so i should install pidgin? | 22:03 |
| AakashPatel | no | 22:03 |
| AakashPatel | just that package | 22:03 |
| adalal | haze.. | 22:03 |
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| AakashPatel | no | 22:04 |
| AakashPatel | pidgin-supported protocols for maemo 5 | 22:04 |
| AakashPatel | that package has the actual protocols | 22:04 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | dymaxion: Good luck, search for "bluetooth" | 22:04 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | It's in extras-devel, and one of only two results for bluetooth | 22:04 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | full name "Bluetooth Dial-up Networking" | 22:05 |
| dymaxion | i thiink i have already installed that yetserday but couldnt see any component in apps nor connections to create a DUN connection hmm | 22:05 |
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| adalal | AakashPatel: right, found it | 22:06 |
| adalal | dymaxion: restarted ur phone? | 22:06 |
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| dymaxion | adalal, yup | 22:06 |
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| dymaxion | DUN profile exists on my paired device | 22:07 |
| adalal | dymaxion: tried looking up the bluetooth services from your computer? | 22:07 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | hmm xchat update made my input text vanish | 22:07 |
| adalal | dymaxion: well, then? | 22:07 |
| dymaxion | on N810 I used to create a connection that would use #99* or somethign like that... and that woulc initiate a bluetooth connectioni to my phone. i would select the default phone in settings | 22:08 |
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| Gadgetoid | hmmm... also need to restart xchat for settings to take effect | 22:09 |
| adalal | dymaxion: well, with the DUN profile, you can create a connection configuration on your desktop, which will then connect to the phone via bluetooth and make that call | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be so nice if it was possible to make custom keymats. | 22:09 |
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| * SpeedEvil wants pipe. | 22:10 | |
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| AakashPatel | how do i activate getbootstate? | 22:10 |
| dymaxion | adalal, thanks... do you have any webpage explaining how to create a configuration on my N900 ? in case of any confusion, i'm not connecting my PC to my N900, it's the other way around using N900 as a DUN client | 22:10 |
| adalal | dymaxion: oh, im not aware of how to make the n900 a dun client... | 22:11 |
| adalal | dymaxion: im sure it's possible... | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | dymaxion: take sim card from phone | 22:11 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, bind it to an arrow key | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | dymaxion: put it in n900 | 22:12 |
| Gadgetoid | seems a little redundant when the n900 has built in 3g... | 22:12 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | omg | 22:12 |
| angasule | how do I install stuff to the internal memory? the system memory is just too limited, and I want my full vim :D | 22:12 |
| Gadgetoid | maaareeee | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | happy new year GAN900 | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, have a good New Years? | 22:12 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i just deleted three aps,and the rootfs became MORE filled | 22:12 |
| * LuciusMare_n900 facepalms | 22:13 | |
| dymaxion | crashanddie, can't take the sim out... it's my other phone... (three.co.uk) network which isn't yet supported.. until new firmware commes out! :l-( | 22:13 |
| Gadgetoid | I slept through new years morn | 22:13 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: burnt hand, hazy memories, and woke up in not my bed | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | angasule: | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | ~boot-sd | 22:13 |
| infobot | somebody said boot-sd was https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, lol | 22:13 |
| Gadgetoid | Lucius... isn't that a known bug? | 22:13 |
| Gadgetoid | reboot your phone | 22:13 |
| dymaxion | crashanddie, looks like nokia stripped out the bluetooth DUN capability in N900 :-( | 22:13 |
| angasule | GAN900: thanks | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | dymaxion, wrong, they didn't include it. | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | dymaxion: planet.maemo.org | 22:14 |
| crashanddie | dymaxion: my point exactly | 22:14 |
| niekt0 | someone sucessfull with mencoder and n900? I am able to do something like mencoder -nosound tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:device=/dev/video0 -ovc lavc -o test.avi but have cca 2fps;( | 22:15 |
| Gadgetoid | yeah i guess nokia had a hard time contemplating the need for DUN client support in a 3g phone.... | 22:15 |
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| adalal | angasule: symlinks to install stuff on the internal memory | 22:15 |
| dymaxion | Gadgetoid, yeah I guess so... but there is a use case... oh well... read also someone else wantinng to use the data packae of their work phone, but keep the N900 sim as their personal phone | 22:16 |
| niekt0 | with raw format up to 6fps;( | 22:16 |
| Gadgetoid | dymaxion: my data sim outright doesn't work in the n900 | 22:16 |
| dymaxion | Gadgetoid, darn... same... are you on Three.co.uk too ? | 22:17 |
| Gadgetoid | yep | 22:17 |
| Gadgetoid | i use a mifi router for the time being | 22:17 |
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| Gadgetoid | wifi 3g router... no need for crappy bluetooth nonsense | 22:18 |
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| Gadgetoid | but very inconvinient | 22:18 |
| SplasPood | hrm | 22:18 |
| * Splas tests irc clients. | 22:18 | |
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| dymaxion | Gadgetoid, yeah thats a nice bit of kit, wifi router, but can't have the mobile SIM in there unless you don't have the SIM in the phone? or did you clone your SIM ? | 22:20 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: hey, i installed that.. and where do you go after that :S? | 22:21 |
| dymaxion | wifi=mifi oops | 22:21 |
| AakashPatel | adalal: Settings >VoIP/IM | 22:21 |
| AakashPatel | and new | 22:21 |
| AakashPatel | and it should have the extra protocols listed | 22:21 |
| Gadgetoid | dymaxion: my sim is data only.. using orange payg in the phone | 22:21 |
| dymaxion | aah i see.... well lets hope they release the new f/w soon! | 22:22 |
| adalal | Gadgetoid: how much do you pay for it.. and how much data do u get? | 22:22 |
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| Gadgetoid | adalal... 15pm on 1month rolling for 5gb/month | 22:23 |
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| Gadgetoid | £15 | 22:23 |
| dymaxion | I'm loving the N900 though.. can't wait to show my work mates who have been gloating over their superior iphones for the past months... | 22:23 |
| AakashPatel | how can i activate getbootstate? | 22:23 |
| adalal | Gadgetoid: £15... for 1 month rolling, and how much can you rollover?!? | 22:23 |
| Gadgetoid | zilch... i would guess | 22:24 |
| kirma | rather off-topic, but still, intrigued by maep and other map apps... what are licensing/usage conditions of various tile map providers (google, osm, etc)? I recall google needed accounts and had request caps for something, but not for plain map tiles? | 22:24 |
| AakashPatel | heh I pay 15 USD, unlim data(but contract fineprint says 5gb, but they dont give a shit) | 22:24 |
| Gadgetoid | i dont use anywhere near 5gb | 22:24 |
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| angasule | thanks for all the help guys, I'm going to take a shower and enjoy what's left of the day, cheers :-) | 22:24 |
| AakashPatel | jebba: ping | 22:25 |
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| jebba | AakashPatel: pong | 22:25 |
| AakashPatel | yo, on your wiki page, you use getbootstate | 22:25 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: would i require a restart?! cuz i dont see it | 22:25 |
| AakashPatel | how do you activate that | 22:25 |
| AakashPatel | adalal: try it | 22:25 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: i install pidgin protocol plugins for conversations and contacts | 22:26 |
| AakashPatel | uhhh | 22:26 |
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| AakashPatel | adalal: you didnt install Pidgdin-supported protocols plugin for Maemo 5? | 22:26 |
| AakashPatel | (thats the name of it) | 22:26 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: oh ok... din think i saw antyhing.. lemme try again | 22:26 |
| AakashPatel | aight | 22:26 |
| AakashPatel | lemme look for the exact package name | 22:28 |
| AakashPatel | hmm | 22:30 |
| rlinfati | my msn account disappear from my n900... ( i use butterfly ) | 22:30 |
| adalal | rlinfati: where'd u get the program from? | 22:30 |
| AakashPatel | heh this is weirdz | 22:30 |
| rlinfati | extras-devel.. | 22:30 |
| rlinfati | make a apt-get upgrade and disappear... :( | 22:31 |
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| hrw | hi | 22:31 |
| AakashPatel | OH | 22:32 |
| AakashPatel | adalal: they rrenamed it | 22:32 |
| AakashPatel | telepathy-extras was the package | 22:32 |
| AakashPatel | the one you intsalled is correct | 22:32 |
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| AakashPatel | yea, try reboot | 22:33 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: alright | 22:34 |
| rlinfati | what plugins is better for msn? butterfly, pecan or pidgin ? | 22:34 |
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| andre__ | rlinfati, pecan and pidgin are not "plugins", but separate applications | 22:37 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: wait.. telepathy-extras is the package name? | 22:37 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: cuz i dont have that either.. not on the repository :S | 22:38 |
| AakashPatel | o.o | 22:38 |
| AakashPatel | in -devel? | 22:38 |
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| pupnik_ | niekt0: look at how much cpu enoding 800x480 requires | 22:38 |
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| AakashPatel | what the hel lis Pdgin Sametime Support | 22:39 |
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| jebba | AakashPatel: what do you mean by how do i activate getbootstate? | 22:40 |
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| rlinfati | andre__, s/purple/telepathy-haze | 22:40 |
| AakashPatel | jebba: well, how do i use it, is a better question | 22:40 |
| jebba | no clue really. It's closed software. | 22:41 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: lol, sametime is a lotus messenger.. and i think i found the package.. called extra protocal plugins for conversations and contacts | 22:41 |
| AakashPatel | oh hm? i thought you used it in your wiki | 22:41 |
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| jebba | "used" it on the wiki? I mention it i guess. I don't quite understand what you mean. Which page exactly. I mention it in a few palces. What is it you are tyring to do? | 22:41 |
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| AakashPatel | Look at debug output on boot | 22:42 |
| AakashPatel | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Flash | 22:42 |
| AakashPatel | "Gah, bricked again" | 22:42 |
| jebba | I GOT SSH on FEDORA 12 ! /me happy [root@fedora-arm ~]# | 22:43 |
| AakashPatel | "unable to uninstall "pdigin extra protocols(Bonjour and Sametime" | 22:43 |
| AakashPatel | ahhh | 22:43 |
| AakashPatel | haha nice jebba | 22:43 |
| andre__ | rlinfati, except that you did not mention purple at all in your former line :-P | 22:43 |
| AakashPatel | whats the command to search for packages that are installed..and only packages that contain "telepathy" in them? | 22:43 |
| jebba | dpkg -l | grep telepathy | 22:44 |
| AakashPatel | ah | 22:44 |
| AakashPatel | ahh i dun see it | 22:45 |
| AakashPatel | wtf | 22:45 |
| jebba | dpkg -l | grep telep | 22:45 |
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| AakashPatel | oh i see the output yes, but not that damn packge thats not uninstalling | 22:46 |
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| cehteh | eh how do i find out in which repository a package resides? | 22:47 |
| AakashPatel | woah, its in extras-testing | 22:47 |
| AakashPatel | why do i even have it o.o | 22:47 |
| andre__ | cehteh: in the application manager? or in general? | 22:47 |
| cehteh | general/apt | 22:47 |
| Hukka | damn n900, almost failed me! | 22:47 |
| Hukka | was playing a movie through tvout to gf and friend, when it freezes | 22:48 |
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| cehteh | ah apt-cache show | 22:48 |
| Hukka | reboot helped, but oddly not just killing and restarting mediaplayer | 22:48 |
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| cehteh | mhm not exactly | 22:51 |
| AakashPatel | adalal: didd it work? | 22:54 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: nope | 22:55 |
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| AakashPatel | wtf | 22:55 |
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| AakashPatel | i hope it works for me | 22:56 |
| AakashPatel | i just reinsalled like half the crap | 22:56 |
| adalal | hmm | 22:56 |
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| AakashPatel | what the hell | 22:57 |
| AakashPatel | adalal: i dont have any extra protocols either now | 22:57 |
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| AakashPatel | maybe this is a good excuse just to reflash >.> heheh | 22:58 |
| AakashPatel | just for the hell of it | 22:59 |
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| AakashPatel | whats the diff between the US version and the Global version of images/ | 23:07 |
| adalal | AakashPatel: for? | 23:07 |
| AakashPatel | the N900 | 23:07 |
| AakashPatel | the Meamo images | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | US version adds ", dude" at the end of each popup window question | 23:08 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 23:08 |
| crashanddie | "Close the window, dude?" | 23:08 |
| AakashPatel | but seriosly, im downloading the image right now, idk which one i wanna download | 23:08 |
| cehteh | operators config prolly? | 23:08 |
| AakashPatel | hmmm | 23:08 |
| cehteh | keyboard setup | 23:08 |
| AakashPatel | I'll just get the global one | 23:08 |
| adalal | as far as im aware, nokia didn't want any operator softwares on it by default | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | lol crashanddie | 23:10 |
| lcuk | enhancement request to timeless? | 23:10 |
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| LuciusMare | ohai | 23:11 |
| LuciusMare | anyone here from the bluemamemo developing team? | 23:11 |
| cehteh | adalal: there is some list with some operator preconfigs in /etc | 23:11 |
| cehteh | /etc/operator_settings | 23:12 |
| adalal | weird, cuz tht's what i read up on a statement released by nokia :S i'll look it up | 23:12 |
| AakashPatel | Does the Vanilla EMC include the maps and stuff? | 23:12 |
| lcuk | LuciusMare, vdvsx but hes sleeping off a hangover, also wazd has been dabbling | 23:12 |
| GAN900 | AakashPatel, get the one for your locale. | 23:13 |
| AakashPatel | but this looks cooler! | 23:13 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 23:13 |
| LuciusMare | so,if anyone listening, is the feature of self-setting the keys that are sent when buttons are pressed (for example in the media remote) and the support of hw keyboard near? | 23:13 |
| AakashPatel | i'll flash it and just check it out | 23:14 |
| LuciusMare | or,is re-setting the keys hard? | 23:14 |
| LuciusMare | (in the source code) | 23:14 |
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| adalal | cehteh: that's only for the mobile web settings, not really operator preconfigurations... | 23:15 |
| adalal | talking of which, does anyone know how to MANUALLY set mobile gprs/3g settings? | 23:15 |
| cehteh | yeah .. there is a gui somewhere but it can only handle one APN .. thats a pending bug :/ | 23:16 |
| cehteh | (or missing feature) | 23:16 |
| adalal | hmm... | 23:16 |
| cehteh | go settings -> internet connections -> your provider -> advanced | 23:17 |
| cehteh | eh not advanced ... actually the 2nd page of the normal settings | 23:18 |
| AakashPatel | God im a retard | 23:19 |
| AakashPatel | I had my contacts backed up ON the device | 23:19 |
| AakashPatel | gj AakashPatel | 23:19 |
| * LuciusMare claps | 23:20 | |
| cehteh | you flashed the emmc? | 23:21 |
| AakashPatel | yep | 23:21 |
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| cehteh | outch | 23:22 |
| AakashPatel | i *may* have a backup on the sd | 23:22 |
| AakashPatel | idk for sure yet lol | 23:22 |
| * AakashPatel crosses his fingers | 23:22 | |
| cehteh | i mean, i have that too .. currently | 23:22 |
| cehteh | but i dont intend to flash the emmc soon | 23:22 |
| AakashPatel | i just wanted to just to say i have | 23:22 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 23:22 |
| cehteh | and i have a rsync copy of the entire device somewher | 23:22 |
| AakashPatel | what is NOLO? | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | nokia loader, a boot loader | 23:23 |
| LuciusMare | Number One, LOL OMG! | 23:23 |
| LuciusMare | damn, but i was close. | 23:23 |
| lcuk | o_O #maemo-trivia quiz chan might be open | 23:24 |
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| juhar | in finland nolo means embarassing | 23:24 |
| AakashPatel | kay rebooted | 23:24 |
| AakashPatel | lcuk: talking to me? | 23:24 |
| lcuk | anyone | 23:24 |
| AakashPatel | oh :P | 23:24 |
| AakashPatel | i was gonna say, i just asked one q | 23:24 |
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| ifreq | dear god | 23:49 |
| AakashPatel | is there a way to import a contacts back up all at once? | 23:50 |
| AakashPatel | instead of individually | 23:50 |
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