| ebtschi_work | wtf is libsexy? | 00:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | vibrator driver library? | 00:00 |
| ebtschi_work | luke-jr, routerstation has no usb and no audio. otherwise nice | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | ebtschi_work: USB audio exists too | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: someone should really write an app for organising the menu | 00:01 |
| ebtschi_work | it doesn't seem to have usb... | 00:01 |
| jebba | oh noes, now the wiki is down | 00:01 |
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| Stskeeps | ebtschi_work: sheevaplug is possibly a good target | 00:01 |
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| jebba | ah, its back tg | 00:02 |
| ebtschi_work | Stskeeps, looks good. nice cpu especially. | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | ebtschi_work: it isn't that good with a boatload of floating point but hmm | 00:03 |
| pupnik | javispedro: the mapper 'save' button is really weird - does nothing in maemo | 00:03 |
| ebtschi_work | power use is rather high | 00:03 |
| pupnik | and the source calls this overloaded cpp function | 00:03 |
| javispedro | hm | 00:03 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: So I think I'll just say that we are looking to serve SSU packages only in our new 'community' repo. | 00:03 |
| jeremiah_ | How does that sound to you? | 00:04 |
| pupnik | static void MAPPER_SaveBinds(void) | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: well, no use limiting ourselves for future possibilities | 00:04 |
| pupnik | in -startmapper i can bind alt_gr to mod3 | 00:04 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: but the first usage is for SSU packages | 00:04 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah, but I kind of don't want people to suddenly think that this repo is better than extras | 00:04 |
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| pupnik | and sdl has an event name for it too | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: yeah, true | 00:04 |
| javispedro | pupnik: works here, creates mapper.txt | 00:04 |
| pupnik | heh ty javispedro | 00:05 |
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| pupnik | that means i broke smth - ty | 00:05 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: We are not limited of course, but I thought we might want to be focused. | 00:05 |
| ebtschi_work | price is lower than beagle | 00:05 |
| ebtschi_work | but less features | 00:05 |
| javispedro | and on next boot it uses it (i just removed the mapping for key c and worked) | 00:05 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: that said, it does feel rather silly to have repository.maemo.org/community when maemo.org is supposed to be community :> | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | but i guess that's legacy | 00:05 |
| jeremiah_ | heh | 00:05 |
| jeremiah_ | true dat | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | either way | 00:05 |
| jeremiah_ | Should we change the name to legacy? | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | not many people will see the actual URL | 00:06 |
| jeremiah_ | No, that is true | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | we've had really messed up repo URLs in Mer for a while now and noone seems to care | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:06 |
| jeremiah_ | I mean, it's just an URL | 00:06 |
| jeremiah_ | well, it's set up, but not public | 00:06 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: visually impaired users need their own OS | 00:07 |
| ebtschi_work | luke-jr, just an extra app on top | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: they say they bricked their device with the menu | 00:08 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: so, I would not be too hasty right now | 00:08 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: On the other hand, I am well on the way toward a stable XChat with sane config | 00:09 |
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| ebtschi_work | the OpenRD thingie is also really powerful - but too large! | 00:11 |
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| pupnik | nice work RST38h - not a simple package afaict | 00:15 |
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| jebba | jeremiah_: thx for Reprepro page :) | 00:16 |
| pupnik | javispedro tells me i can't map the alt gr, and he's right it is not working, but i don't know why. seems i should be able to map it to MOD3, then define "1" as mod3+q | 00:16 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: it works the opposite | 00:17 |
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| javispedro | hm.. | 00:17 |
| javispedro | er.. nothing. | 00:17 |
| javispedro | actually, you should be able to map 1. | 00:17 |
| jeremiah_ | jebba: Sure. :) | 00:17 |
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| Macer | haha | 00:18 |
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| pupnik | mod_2 "key 308" | 00:18 |
| pupnik | mod_3 "key 307" | 00:18 |
| jeremiah_ | jebba: Thanks for diffmo | 00:18 |
| javispedro | pupnik: that doesn't look right. | 00:19 |
| pupnik | i don't think '307' is correct for alt_gr and possibly dosbox doesn't have a mapped number for it | 00:19 |
| javispedro | pupnik: that might be the case. | 00:19 |
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| pupnik | i'm not seeing my printfs when i hit 'save' though but sorry for the interruption and thanks! | 00:20 |
| javispedro | pupnik: read my patch where I map it to the backtick and map it to some other key and see if it improves | 00:20 |
| javispedro | (with the backtick it seems to work OK here though) | 00:21 |
| pupnik | yeah i saw that. | 00:21 |
| pupnik | you get a displayed backtick at C:> prompt? | 00:21 |
| javispedro | yep | 00:21 |
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| javispedro | (without my keyb layout, of course) | 00:21 |
| javispedro | hi and welcome, RST38bis | 00:22 |
| ebtschi_work | luke-jr, the EFIKA thingie is too large, unfortunately :( | 00:22 |
| RST38bis | gooood | 00:22 |
| pupnik | right without keyb layout (which doesn't work here) :P | 00:22 |
| ebtschi_work | thanks for the ideas anyway :-) | 00:22 |
| javispedro | pupnik: it assumes the fn -> backtick mapping | 00:22 |
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| luke-jr | ebtschi_work: nah, a GUI is not a VUI | 00:27 |
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| ebtschi_work | VUI? | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | Voice User Interface | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | my paid job deals a lot with VUI :P | 00:29 |
| dnaumov | wait a sec, N900 file manager doesnt have a rename function and Notes doesnt have a Save As? | 00:29 |
| dnaumov | thats a fair bit unconvinient... | 00:29 |
| luke-jr | lol | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: you are a phone sex operator? | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: fail | 00:30 |
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| javispedro | dnaumov: fortunately, the file manager does have a rename function: long tap on a file. | 00:31 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: you remap 0x64 for ifdef MAEMO 5 '' when i press on the blue 'fn | 00:32 |
| pupnik | 'key i get 0x6c | 00:32 |
| pupnik | this stuff is not ... clean... stuff | 00:33 |
| pupnik | :0 | 00:33 |
| javispedro | ok, that's weird then. | 00:33 |
| javispedro | do you have german layout? | 00:33 |
| javispedro | wait wait | 00:33 |
| dnaumov | javispedro: thx a lot, I was a bout to start ripping out my pointy hair | 00:34 |
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| javispedro | 0x64 + 8 = 0x6C | 00:34 |
| javispedro | so everything's ok | 00:34 |
| javispedro | ^^ pupnik | 00:34 |
| pupnik | i have uk layout | 00:35 |
| javispedro | (yes, dosbox subtracts 8 from each scancode) | 00:35 |
| pupnik | aahhhrrrrrgg | 00:35 |
| pupnik | ty | 00:35 |
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| pupnik | tyying to generate a mapper.txt using ` as the MOD3 | 00:36 |
| javispedro | you'll be able to map 1..9 | 00:36 |
| javispedro | but not the rest of symbols | 00:36 |
| Roaziel | Hi guys. I have 2 questions: 1) is it possible to have Network Media sharing in otherplayers except the default one? like I have M/KMPlayer, is there I way to get network media sharing with that?... and 2) What is the impromal video settings for N900? Like if I wanna get the best possible video/audio quality on the N900 what codes, containers, settings, etc should I use? | 00:37 |
| ebtschi_work | luke-jr, what's your job? :-) | 00:37 |
| Roaziel | *optimal | 00:37 |
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| tabMonkey | Hi all | 00:39 |
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| tabMonkey | anyone know if there's a good way of restarted mce on the n900 without causing a reboot? | 00:40 |
| tabMonkey | s/restarted/restarting/ | 00:40 |
| infobot | tabMonkey meant: anyone know if there's a good way of restarting mce on the n900 without causing a reboot? | 00:40 |
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| * javispedro envisions tmoers installing debian packages "in a crowded bus with no seats, while having nothing to hold on to". | 00:42 | |
| RST38bis | scary | 00:42 |
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| ebtschi_work | javispedro, on a bus with no roof, while it's raining | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: app manager should work in portrait, obviously | 00:43 |
| RST38bis | ok the only remaining problem is the input | 00:43 |
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| javispedro | something is wrong in a discussion when I couldn't do anything but laugh at someone's completely serious argument. | 00:44 |
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| luke-jr | ebtschi_work: my big project right now is writing a VoiceXML interpreter | 00:44 |
| luke-jr | ebtschi_work: most VoiceXML applications are VUIs | 00:44 |
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| ebtschi_work | luke-jr, why don't people use just screenreaders? | 00:46 |
| luke-jr | ebtschi_work: because that would be a complete pain to use? | 00:46 |
| luke-jr | especially for someone who's never had a concept of a 2D display | 00:47 |
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| luke-jr | (other than what can be explained verbally) | 00:47 |
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| ebtschi_work | i know lots of blind people | 00:48 |
| ebtschi_work | all of them use screenreaders | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | on a touchscreen it doesn't work that well though | 00:48 |
| ebtschi_work | not a single one of them uses a VUI with voice xml | 00:48 |
| ebtschi_work | Stskeeps, ~10% use the iphone | 00:48 |
| luke-jr | ebtschi_work: I find it hard to believe that. Even sighted people use VUIs. | 00:48 |
| ebtschi_work | the rest uses symbian with a screenreader ;-) | 00:49 |
| luke-jr | since most people's phones only support audio, not visuals | 00:49 |
| ebtschi_work | luke-jr, well, can you recommend a VUI that can be used to browse the web :-) | 00:49 |
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| luke-jr | ebtschi_work: would you like to be given a screenreader interface when you call your credit card's 24/7 phone app? | 00:50 |
| luke-jr | ebtschi_work: the HTML/CSS web? not offhand | 00:50 |
| ebtschi_work | well | 00:50 |
| luke-jr | most HTML is too broken to work with a VUI anyway | 00:50 |
| ebtschi_work | it works quite well with WindowEyes ;-) | 00:50 |
| ebtschi_work | (which connects to firefox) | 00:51 |
| luke-jr | I *highly* doubt that's standards compliant | 00:51 |
| luke-jr | http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/aural.html | 00:53 |
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| luke-jr | I don't think Firefox supports any of those | 00:53 |
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| dnaumov | is it possible to sort/re-organize bookmarks in the n900 browser? | 00:58 |
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| pupnik | hahaha i can test for scancode 43 ('h') but not 118 | 01:02 |
| pupnik | psycho violins | 01:02 |
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| MohammadAG | hi | 01:05 |
| TomaszD | good day #maemo | 01:06 |
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| MohammadAG | having a problem with my N900 | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | it's downloading php files | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | so any website based on php gets downloaded and saved to the device | 01:08 |
| wiretapped | i bet not :) | 01:09 |
| b-man17 | thats _really_ strange o_O | 01:09 |
| pupnik | what url causes this behavior MohammadAG | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | facebook, so it's not a problem with the site | 01:10 |
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| wiretapped | prolly just servers sending wrong mimetypes, no? | 01:10 |
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| wiretapped | bad proxy maybe? | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml <-- fail | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | same with my laptop, facebook's failing | 01:12 |
| wiretapped | lol | 01:12 |
| b-man17 | it's most likely a server issue then xD | 01:12 |
| wiretapped | MohammadAG: n900 and laptop on the same connection? | 01:15 |
| * wiretapped suspects a transparent proxy | 01:15 | |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 01:15 |
| wiretapped | got cellular data you could try? | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | asked someone on another server | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> did it download the site? | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | <Bash> yea | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> as in save it? | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | <Bash> no | 01:16 |
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| MohammadAG | cellular connection does the same | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you in a country that may be firewalling or proxying the internet to mine connections for info? | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | it worked on my sister's laptop | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | she's on windows, I'm on linux | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | what are we talking about? | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | same connection | 01:20 |
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| MohammadAG | found the problem, I switched to diablo's UA on my laptop | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | but the N900's UA is as it is | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | Damn Hide User agent app | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | it changed the UA without asking me :/ | 01:23 |
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| bizzle1 | has anyone been able to boot an updated kernel on the n900? | 01:24 |
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| VDVsx | hey TomaszD | 01:28 |
| TomaszD | hello VDVsx | 01:28 |
| VDVsx | andre was looking for you to confirm a bug | 01:28 |
| VDVsx | well, you, or another Polish speaker :P | 01:28 |
| TomaszD | oh | 01:29 |
| VDVsx | TomaszD, that one: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7321 | 01:29 |
| povbot | Bug 7321: Wrong translations of "portrait" and "landscape" in camera application | 01:29 |
| jeremiah_ | He was bugging you to polish polish bugs | 01:29 |
| jeremiah_ | Or rather, polish Polish bugs | 01:29 |
| VDVsx | lol | 01:29 |
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| TomaszD | well, the translation is correct, although I've no idea what do these modes actually do | 01:31 |
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| wolf^ | that's my bug | 01:32 |
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| jebba | anyone know of more non-maemo repositories for maemo? timeless has one but i don't know it offhand. http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Repositories | 01:32 |
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| TomaszD | wolf^, the translation does make sense, you can make a portrait picture of someone horizontally or a picture of a landscape vertically | 01:33 |
| TomaszD | the accelerometer detects how you hold the camera | 01:33 |
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| VDVsx | jebba, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Reducing_number_of_external_repositories | 01:34 |
| wolf^ | TomaszD, priv? | 01:34 |
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| TomaszD | don't ask to ask, just ask | 01:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | I very much like the fact that the maemo forum accepts asian characters as usernames. how cool is that | 01:46 |
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| jebba | VDVsx: where should we put dodgy things like custom kernels? ;) | 01:52 |
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| MohammadAG | sorry about the spam, N900 took the same IP as the one set to windows | 01:53 |
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| javispedro | jebba: kernels in a repo? sounds like a horror movie. | 01:58 |
| woglinde | javis why not? | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | does the N900 come with the mini 2mm charger to microUSB adapter? | 01:59 |
| go1dfish | MohammadAG: mine did | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | err, mine didn't o.O | 01:59 |
| go1dfish | but I got mine under odd circumstances | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | which were? | 02:00 |
| javispedro | woglinde: well, tbh, true. | 02:00 |
| go1dfish | won in a rafle at a maemo developer event in san jose | 02:00 |
| javispedro | though take care of flashing | 02:00 |
| go1dfish | retail box though | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | .. it doesn't | 02:00 |
| go1dfish | I got a european microusb wall wart | 02:01 |
| jebba | javispedro: kernels in a repo? You mean like fedora, debian, suse, etcetcetc do? | 02:01 |
| go1dfish | and a US adapter they were kind enough to purchase and include with it heh | 02:02 |
| go1dfish | did the US versions come with a US wall wart? | 02:02 |
| crashanddie | go1dfish: like they did for nearly every single freebie n900 | 02:02 |
| red | mine did come with small/large to microUSB adapter | 02:02 |
| go1dfish | now that I think about it in this light, I may have a UK device/firmware? | 02:02 |
| go1dfish | I've never reflashed it | 02:02 |
| javispedro | jebba: this is not any of those :) you need to flash it afterwards and there's no default bootmenu. | 02:03 |
| red | but every old charger I tried them on, it started charging and after 1-2 seconds it said unable to charge | 02:03 |
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| red | so I guess its either defect or the chargers are too old :) | 02:03 |
| ifreq | too old | 02:03 |
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| jebba | http://gitorious.org/modest/modest https://git.maemo.org/projects/modest/?p=modest;a=summary /me so confused. | 02:03 |
| go1dfish | red: Im using mine with my e51 charger (small) | 02:03 |
| red | they are atleast 6-7 year old chargers | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | red mine didn't have the adapter at all | 02:03 |
| red | tried two small headed and one large headed | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | and it was sealed | 02:03 |
| jebba | javispedro: well, there's kernel-flasher :) just needs to be done in the correct order. | 02:03 |
| red | MohammadAG: u sure u didnt lose it while unpacking? :D | 02:04 |
| go1dfish | is there a way to check what firmware localization is installed on the device? | 02:04 |
| go1dfish | i.e. UK vs USA | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | lol red, pretty sure | 02:04 |
| red | go1dfish: newest charger i have must be N70 :> | 02:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | go1dfish: it's in about product in settings isn't it? | 02:04 |
| pupnik | maybe if maemo SDL used SDL_keysym.h:SDLK_RALT= 307 and set KMOD_RALT when FN is pressed | 02:04 |
| red | have gotten phones free after that (few weeks or older) | 02:05 |
| pupnik | that is the proper binding for altgr anyway | 02:05 |
| red | until now that I chose to get N900 since it was <3 | 02:05 |
| pupnik | hmm no, i think it is confused also with 313 - SDLK_MODE | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | red, when did you get your N900? | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | 1st/2nd batch? | 02:07 |
| red | MohammadAG: 7.12.2009, guessing it was the first batch since I was told they started shipping on 4th day (friday) and the phones came to the store on monday | 02:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | where were the first retail ones? | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I got mine (uk) 30 nov. | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | ordered mine on the 3rd of Dec, and it shipped on the 20th | 02:08 |
| red | but dunno if there were any before that for service providers or abroad | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | 18th actually | 02:08 |
| go1dfish | SpeedEvil: no indication of local there | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | arrived on the 28th | 02:09 |
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| red | SpeedEvil: you got ur N900 before december? | 02:09 |
| red | from a store? | 02:09 |
| red | order from some website? or via some connections? | 02:09 |
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| MohammadAG | what's with the USBcontrol package on the repos? | 02:09 |
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| MohammadAG | oh well I'll just use the N86 one | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | will make sure if amazon's new shipment had the adapter | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | if so I want a full refund :p | 02:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | red: nokia.co.uk | 02:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | fbreader++ | 02:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone have 1.1 firmware and can comment on the state of the front camera? | 02:24 |
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| bizzle1 | anyone with 1.1 can comment on the kernel version? | 02:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone with 1.1 who can comment on being able to comment on stuff? | 02:30 |
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| TomaszD | I can... not comment. | 02:32 |
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| red | SpeedEvil: alright. Makes sense though, the phones aren't actually manufactured here in Finland :) | 02:32 |
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| VDVsx | mine says, made in Finland :D | 02:34 |
| VDVsx | but also says porperty of Nokia :( | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | VDVsx: yes. | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | Made in Korea here | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | VDVsx: and tehy made that sticker in finland. | 02:34 |
| Wolfie | mine says only "designed in finland" | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 02:34 |
| VDVsx | SpeedEvil, proto here | 02:34 |
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| go1dfish | all the production devices were made in korea afaik | 02:35 |
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| Wolfie | i might be biting more than I can chew, here. I have absolutely no idea where to start, since all tech used for N900 development is new to me :/ | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | korea here too | 02:36 |
| go1dfish | many (all?) the pre-productions were made in finland | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | and n900 does not stay up if you pull the battery with charger lead in. | 02:36 |
| go1dfish | better korea than china imo | 02:36 |
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| go1dfish | dont know about their electronics, but ive been quite happy with my korean built guitar heh | 02:37 |
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| MohammadAG | found a bug on my N900 | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | not sure if it has been reported/if it's on all devices | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | when the battery is low, before it says it's low, the browser doesn't open up, and the App manager starts throwing operation failed notices | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | the app manager part, I understand, it might be to prevent unfinished installs cause of low battery | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG | but why the browser? | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | works for me. | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ran it flat with no issues, | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | full rootfs or ram? | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | happened to me when I it was fresh from the box | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | so I doubt it | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | happened to me again an hour ago, and I had to restart | 02:41 |
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| MohammadAG | 13MBs on rootfs (oh shit0 | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | )* | 02:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | try rebooting | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | also uninstall bounce | 02:43 |
| luke-jr | http://elinux.org/N800#Status <-- rightmost column is Linux support for N8x0 | 02:43 |
| luke-jr | pretty pathetic, huh? :( | 02:43 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, why bounce? | 02:49 |
| Neostrider | /j #mer | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: it's one of the larger apps on there. | 02:49 |
| Neostrider | oops | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | oh it's not optified? | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | uif you reinstall it back from extras - I think - then it will be optified | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: no | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | at least I don't think so. | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | installed it from the Nokia Apps repo | 02:50 |
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| VDVsx | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7316 | 02:52 |
| povbot | Bug 7316: Bounce is not available anymore in any repository | 02:52 |
| VDVsx | :( | 02:52 |
| dmj7261 | bounce isn't available? | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | it was when I reflashed yesterday | 02:53 |
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| MohammadAG | downloaded it today | 02:53 |
| K` | yea, I just saw it | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I hope they have pulled it for a version with 55344 levels. | 02:53 |
| K` | like 30 minutes ago | 02:53 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, lol | 02:53 |
| VDVsx | ah, is related to my firmware only, sorry for the alarm :( | 02:53 |
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| VDVsx | seems that agry birds will be also free, sweet :) | 02:54 |
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| TomaszD | jeremiah_, is there a reason to keep deprecated packages that have been superseded, in the repository? maemo-periodic is now Copernicium, Maemo WordPy is now MaStory, no point in confusing users by keeping the old ones | 02:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | TomaszD: i had two CPU meter applets in my taskbar earlier due to that | 02:58 |
| TomaszD | they are designed to be working independently | 02:58 |
| TomaszD | I know which two you're talking about | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | two identical versions of the app | 02:58 |
| TomaszD | one is a cutdown version of the other | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I see | 02:58 |
| VDVsx | TomaszD, I already ask x-fade to fix that at the package interface level, will be fixed soon it seems | 02:59 |
| TomaszD | VDVsx, ok | 02:59 |
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| TomaszD | :) | 02:59 |
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| TomaszD | it looks like the opensource theme hospital clone compiles cleanly | 03:02 |
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| Kamui | hi | 03:03 |
| Kamui | xchat on the n900 works pretty well | 03:03 |
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| Kamui | and epic crash | 03:08 |
| Kamui | as soon as i tried to move the chan selector | 03:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | itIt is a bit crashy | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | well | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | it crashes when you try to save prefs | 03:10 |
| Kamui | maybe thats what it was | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | So edit them manually - or copy over another configuration | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Or fix it and submit a patch. | 03:11 |
| Kamui | had assumed it was the chanbar location | 03:11 |
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| jeremiah_ | TomaszD: There is only a manual way to remove them | 03:12 |
| jeremiah_ | TomaszD: The repositories use apt-ftparchive which does not remove pacakges. | 03:12 |
| jeremiah_ | It has to be done by hand. | 03:12 |
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| TomaszD | :( | 03:12 |
| jeremiah_ | The new repos will have the ability to programatically remove packages. | 03:12 |
| TomaszD | ok. | 03:12 |
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| Hoxzer | Btw, what type of note taking programs does maemo have? I'm looking forward seeing somethign that has option to zoom in and zoom out. And implements grab and move | 03:16 |
| Robot101 | Hoxzer: Xournal? | 03:16 |
| crashanddie | lol http://imagebin.org/77350 | 03:16 |
| Hoxzer | prefetably something with huge zoom | 03:16 |
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| crashanddie | Hoxzer: tell lcuk to implement zoom in liqbase | 03:16 |
| Hoxzer | Robot101: seems to have fuly UI | 03:16 |
| Robot101 | crashanddie: seen it, but still... :) | 03:16 |
| Hoxzer | *fugly | 03:16 |
| Hoxzer | Well. I dunno if you guys see my vision on this | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | nope | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | it's your vision | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | and please, don't piss on applications so early on | 03:17 |
| VRe | jeremiah_: do u know what the new extras-testing is going to be? | 03:17 |
| Hoxzer | but someting very similar to the pen and paper. With a "huge" paper but however! huge is a relevant term. That's why somebody should be able to do large scale planning on with large drawings thne do the smaller text when zoomed into things | 03:18 |
| jeremiah_ | VRe: Yeah, a repo. | 03:18 |
| Hoxzer | liek as in mind map | 03:18 |
| VRe | jeremiah_: or actually how the process/web is going to be? | 03:18 |
| GAN900 | I don't know why people bitch about the N900's thickness compared to the iPhone then double the thickness of their iPhones with giant cases. | 03:18 |
| Hoxzer | you can have huge squeres but as you zoom closer and clsoer you're be able to see deteails on each squeare | 03:18 |
| crashanddie | Hoxzer: yeah, liqbase should be able to do that | 03:18 |
| Hoxzer | crashanddie: okies... O_o | 03:18 |
| jeremiah_ | VRe: Can you be more specific? What are you looking for? | 03:19 |
| crashanddie | Hoxzer: however don't know if it's implemented yet -- definitely something you should pitch to lcuk | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: I have a giant case on my n900. | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: Well, not giant, but it must add 5mm. | 03:19 |
| ifreq | GAN900: yeh i mostly wonder how thick iphone would be with physical keyb.. seems ppl tend to forget that point too. | 03:19 |
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| VRe | jeremiah_: is something going to happen with the extras-testing interface (like remove from testing)? and is this written somewhere? | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | A nice 'rate your installed apps' would be good. | 03:21 |
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| K` | well | 03:21 |
| K` | the iPhone is longer than the N900 | 03:21 |
| K` | I think the N900 is the perfect size | 03:21 |
| K` | for what it is | 03:21 |
| K` | I'd actually rather a 4 or 4.5" screen | 03:22 |
| Macer | 9" touchscreen phone | 03:22 |
| K` | also give extra room for a bigger keyboard | 03:22 |
| ifreq | SpeedEvil: yeah like one to five star ratings +send button :P nothing more is needed truly | 03:22 |
| K` | finally add an esc and tab key | 03:22 |
| Macer | with a hand clamp on the back of it | 03:22 |
| Macer | :) | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I think multiply all dimensions by 1.2 or so, and it'd be good. | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe 1.1 | 03:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | ifreq: With a link to a per-program forum | 03:22 |
| K` | shit macer, I was used to my HTC Exec for years | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ifreq: of some form | 03:23 |
| jeremiah_ | VRe: Have you seen this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing | 03:23 |
| Macer | heh | 03:23 |
| K` | never found a phone I was truely happy with until this N900 | 03:23 |
| ifreq | SpeedEvil: yeah mayb. | 03:23 |
| Macer | how big is the screen on the n900 again? | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | m3310 | 03:23 |
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| Macer | 3.5? | 03:23 |
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| Macer | i was going to buy one this week. probably tomorrow or thursday | 03:24 |
| go1dfish | Macer: yeah 3.5" diagonal | 03:24 |
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| Macer | and the n810? | 03:24 |
| go1dfish | 800x480 | 03:24 |
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| Macer | n810 was what? 4.2? | 03:24 |
| Macer | or 4.3 or something like that? :) | 03:24 |
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| Macer | same res | 03:24 |
| go1dfish | 4.13 according to wikipedia | 03:25 |
| go1dfish | and yeah same res | 03:25 |
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| go1dfish | the n900 screen is quite nice | 03:25 |
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| Macer | so you lose about a half an inch :) | 03:25 |
| go1dfish | the only screen I've seen that looked better so far is surprisingly the samsung rogue my cousin got for christmas | 03:25 |
| Macer | but keep the same res | 03:25 |
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| Macer | how bad is that? does everything look tiny? | 03:25 |
| Macer | heh | 03:25 |
| go1dfish | it's 800x600, slightly smaller, and OLED | 03:25 |
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| go1dfish | err 800x640 | 03:25 |
| go1dfish | I think the n900 does better in sunlight though | 03:26 |
| Macer | 800x640 on a phone is pretty good for such a small screen | 03:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | go1dfish: if you hold it right, you can turn the backlight off and see still | 03:26 |
| simula_ | better than vga :) | 03:26 |
| Macer | that's a pretty damn high res :) wtf. nanotech or something? | 03:26 |
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| go1dfish | SpeedEvil: the n900? | 03:26 |
| Macer | n900 buckball screen heh | 03:26 |
| Macer | buckyball | 03:27 |
| simula_ | it's a netbook more than a phone for me :) | 03:27 |
| Macer | simula_: you using vpn on it? | 03:27 |
| VRe | jeremiah_: yeah, and those 'NOT FINAL FIXME' tells its story. So I suppose nothing is cooking, or it is not documented. | 03:27 |
| go1dfish | does locking the device with the slider just turn the backlight off? | 03:27 |
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| simula_ | macer, nah, just trying to get all my regular linux stuff running in it... dev stuff mostly | 03:27 |
| Macer | ah i see | 03:27 |
| Macer | i wanted to see if pptp worked on it | 03:27 |
| Macer | that would be awesome | 03:27 |
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| Macer | believe it or not i want it just for the jabber client | 03:28 |
| go1dfish | im reminded of my old 5500 zaurus, had a front lit screen and was quite usable without the frontlight on in well lit rooms | 03:28 |
| Macer | android has failed when it comes to android clients :) | 03:28 |
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| jeremiah_ | VRe: There are lots of things cooking. | 03:28 |
| Macer | i've been using ssh and irssi to do it because ALL the android apps are pretty much garbage | 03:28 |
| jeremiah_ | That I can assure | 03:28 |
| Macer | except connectbot :) | 03:28 |
| go1dfish | anyone tried running android in a chroot on the n900 yet? | 03:28 |
| simula_ | when i can get qt-creator running on it i'll be happy :) | 03:29 |
| Macer | go1dfish: they shouldn't! | 03:29 |
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| go1dfish | I recall someone getting android running in a chroot on the clamshell zaurus's that way before there were any official android devices | 03:29 |
| Macer | leave android where it is and don't let that filth spread to good phones :) | 03:29 |
| go1dfish | heh | 03:29 |
| crashanddie | did anyone get those two links I sent earlier? | 03:29 |
| Macer | bbl | 03:29 |
| go1dfish | agreed, but always fun to go, hey look: I have your entire OS in a window if I want it | 03:29 |
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| VRe | jeremiah_: that's nice, so is this then documented somewhere - like hows the interface for e-testing going to be? | 03:30 |
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| Macer | i'm still watching 21 jump street :) | 03:31 |
| Macer | classic 80s | 03:31 |
| jeremiah_ | VRe: Exactly how it says on that page on the wiki | 03:32 |
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| jeremiah_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#How_it_works_in_practice | 03:33 |
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| VRe | jeremiah_: so, if the process is so - i wonder what the current system then does. how much is missing.. | 03:34 |
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| jeremiah_ | VRe: There will be changes, but the system is largely going to be identical | 03:35 |
| jeremiah_ | RIght now we are having issues with the infrastructure, not enough servers | 03:35 |
| jeremiah_ | The server load is through the roof | 03:35 |
| jeremiah_ | We are adding machines and we'll have newer software so things will be much better. | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | get Nokia to donate some N900s for the farm | 03:36 |
| jeremiah_ | In fact - I have already installed reprepro so soon we'll be testing that. | 03:36 |
| jeremiah_ | luke-jr: We're still using on 770 | 03:36 |
| jeremiah_ | For garage. | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | jeremiah_: that's why I said get them to donate N900s | 03:36 |
| jeremiah_ | We've asked, but they want us to buy them. | 03:37 |
| jeremiah_ | :( | 03:37 |
| VRe | jeremiah_: ok, so I was bit ahead myself - like going for qa process improvement.. but reading all i could find I didn't have any idea what is happening now | 03:37 |
| jeremiah_ | VRe: Well, on garage we have the | 03:38 |
| jeremiah_ | repos for extras-testing | 03:39 |
| jeremiah_ | You enable it, you download and test an app | 03:39 |
| jeremiah_ | and then you provide feedback | 03:39 |
| jeremiah_ | That is the scoop | 03:39 |
| VRe | yeah.. that i know | 03:39 |
| jeremiah_ | That is the present, and it will be the future | 03:39 |
| jeremiah_ | more than that I cannot say | 03:39 |
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| VRe | the problem in that is, thumb up - accept - but has anyone actually checked the copyright, content etc.. | 03:40 |
| jeremiah_ | VRe: Of course. | 03:40 |
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| jeremiah_ | VRe: Firstly, there are automated tests in the background doing that kind of thing | 03:41 |
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| jeremiah_ | Secondly, it is the packager's responsibility to carefully check the copyright and license | 03:41 |
| VRe | jeremiah_: those I have head about, but what is going to be tested.. :) | 03:41 |
| jeremiah_ | So by the time the package makes it to testing, it should be thouroughly checked | 03:41 |
| jeremiah_ | We'll test any package that wants to be promoted to 'extras' | 03:42 |
| jeremiah_ | So anything that a developer wants tested. | 03:42 |
| jeremiah_ | Did you read the wiki? | 03:42 |
| jeremiah_ | All of this is explained there. | 03:42 |
| VRe | /teated/automatically tested/ | 03:42 |
| jeremiah_ | VRe: There is a tool called Maemian which is based on debian's lintian | 03:43 |
| arachnist | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWR0_0YaEzI <| lol | 03:43 |
| jeremiah_ | It will try to incorporate as many lintian checks as is possible | 03:43 |
| jeremiah_ | But maemo is not debian and there are lots of differences in policy | 03:43 |
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| jeremiah_ | So a direct port of lintian is not feasible | 03:43 |
| pupnik | #import "SDL_uikitview.h" | 03:44 |
| jeremiah_ | Currently maemian runs as a script and does a small subset of lintian checks | 03:44 |
| VRe | jeremiah_: that would good to have on wiki :) optimally humans would test just the functionality | 03:44 |
| pupnik | thanks for the info jeremiah_ | 03:44 |
| jeremiah_ | Sure thing! | 03:45 |
| jeremiah_ | VRe: it is on the wiki, I'll have to find it. | 03:45 |
| pupnik | i see something maybe useful for 770, N800 etc #if SDL_IPHONE_KEYBOARD | 03:45 |
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| jeremiah_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Extras-testing&diff=19817&oldid=19225 | 03:46 |
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| jeremiah_ | ^^ It _was_ there | 03:46 |
| jeremiah_ | Looks like some of that stuff got removed. | 03:46 |
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| jeremiah_ | Looks like Quim removed that stuff about Maemian | 03:49 |
| VRe | jeremiah_: didn't check history ;) .. that is good info - "to be automatically tested" | 03:51 |
| ceda | jeremiah_: gothenburg is sleeping now, so should you I guess :) | 03:51 |
| ceda | (Fredrik Wendt) | 03:51 |
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| jeremiah_ | ceda: Hi! | 03:52 |
| jeremiah_ | Good to see you here! | 03:52 |
| jeremiah_ | Or read you. :) | 03:52 |
| ceda | yeah (I hear you) | 03:52 |
| jeremiah_ | VRe: Yeah, hopefully I can get more info about those processes to the wiki | 03:52 |
| jeremiah_ | VRe: I have been kinda busy with the repos, but I want people who are interested to participate in the automated testing | 03:53 |
| jeremiah_ | VRe: So if you are interested . . . | 03:53 |
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| VRe | jeremiah_: I have been kind of interested in the qa thingy, and observed how it is and wondering what it should be.. | 03:54 |
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| VRe | jeremiah_: so I could say I'm interested | 03:55 |
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| ceda | I got a demonstration of pyUseCase, which uses texttest for testing pyGTK-based applications. It almost ran without issues under scratchbox (issues with network). Haven't tried it out on my real hardware yet, but I'll hopefully be able to use it to drive tests for my vasttrafik-application. It's a pretty neat tool | 03:56 |
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| jeremiah_ | VRe: Excellent. :) | 03:56 |
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| ceda | http://meetup.com/GothPy/ | 03:56 |
| jeremiah_ | Gothic Pythonistas! | 03:57 |
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| ceda | hehe | 03:57 |
| ceda | Goth[enburg]Py is really 60 % geekish and 40 % serious | 03:59 |
| villager | argh, I left my N900 so its battery ran flat, and now it won't charge | 04:01 |
| luke-jr | lol | 04:04 |
| villager | hmm, hope there's a way to ever power it up again... hope google has an answer then | 04:06 |
| K` | god | 04:07 |
| K` | that reminds me of the blundered manufacture of the OQO model 02's batteries. | 04:08 |
| K` | you literraly had to jumpstart them if they ran too low | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | villager: charge battery in something else | 04:08 |
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| K` | finally got all the repos installed properly | 04:15 |
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| Vratha | hi | 04:15 |
| K` | man, this thing went from Grade A to grade A++ | 04:15 |
| pupnik | javispedro: your maemo-key substitution in sdl_mapper.cpp only is active if "usescancodes" is active. (it is in the usescancodes IF-block) -- not sure if that is intended. | 04:15 |
| Vratha | anyone else experience a problem sending gmail messages through Nokia Messaging today? | 04:15 |
| javispedro | pupnik: oh, probably. (that is default iirc). feel free to experiment :) | 04:15 |
| Vratha | because with my iphone, i could send gmail messages directly through gmail. but through Nokia Messaging on my n900, they just werne't going through | 04:15 |
| villager | okay, found a procedure on the web... have to remove the battery for a minute and then put it back in, then charge it up a bit, repeat a couple of times... oh well | 04:16 |
| Vratha | not sure if it was me or what | 04:16 |
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| K` | my damn SD card isn't reading | 04:16 |
| K` | in the N900 | 04:16 |
| K` | do I HAVE to format it in a pc first | 04:16 |
| javispedro | oh, ukki is going to kill me. | 04:16 |
| K` | was hoping to make it EXT3 | 04:16 |
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| johnx | Vratha, you're not just using gmail's smtp server directly? | 04:20 |
| pupnik | he is asleep javispedro - it is safe | 04:22 |
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| pupnik | how is the sgx/blitting going? | 04:23 |
| javispedro | mbx | 04:23 |
| javispedro | ? | 04:23 |
| pupnik | thought you were doing blitting for drnok | 04:24 |
| javispedro | a | 04:24 |
| javispedro | that other task :) | 04:24 |
| pupnik | well i'm always curious about the adventures... | 04:24 |
| javispedro | I have it working on n900 but with constant flickering | 04:24 |
| pupnik | something nobody has ever done before, eh | 04:25 |
| Vratha | johnx: whatever the n900 setup when i chose "Nokia Messaging" | 04:25 |
| javispedro | the framerate is somewhere between composited with software scaling and uncomposited with software scaling | 04:25 |
| javispedro | which was to be expected | 04:25 |
| javispedro | the benefit is that i'm no longer limited to 2x | 04:25 |
| pupnik | ah that is nice | 04:25 |
| javispedro | and can do weird aspect ratios and antialiasing "for free" (theoretically, since at least current version of h-d doesn't seem to do antialiasing on textures... :P ) | 04:26 |
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| pupnik | esp for the occasional hi-res mode | 04:26 |
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| javispedro | but as you can see it seems true that bypassing the sgx as most as possible is still fastest, even when doing 2x barebones scaling | 04:27 |
| pupnik | yes i learned why that is slow | 04:28 |
| javispedro | the texture swizzling? | 04:28 |
| pupnik | yes | 04:28 |
| javispedro | it shouldn't do it, theoretically. | 04:28 |
| javispedro | at least with the nokia pixmap->texture extension | 04:28 |
| pupnik | oh nice | 04:28 |
| javispedro | (though, who knows!!) | 04:28 |
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| pupnik | it is still early on | 04:29 |
| javispedro | yeah | 04:29 |
| pupnik | maybe someday this can be implemented in libsdl (HWSURFACE?) | 04:29 |
| javispedro | currently, I have this without patching libsdl | 04:29 |
| javispedro | you can selectively enable-disable it | 04:29 |
| pupnik | btw the default maemo5 dosbox is building with omap2420 cflags | 04:31 |
| javispedro | if it's implemented anywhere, it will have to be in libsdl1.3, since I doubt nokia will allow something of this caliber in repos | 04:31 |
| javispedro | s/repos/official repo | 04:31 |
| pupnik | oh maybe, maybe not | 04:31 |
| pupnik | -Wall -g -DMAEMO -DMAEMO_VERSION=5 -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp | 04:31 |
| javispedro | oh | 04:31 |
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| javispedro | check your DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS | 04:31 |
| pupnik | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=maemo-launcher,thumb,vfp | 04:32 |
| javispedro | i think that if you put vfp in there it will pass those cflags even in m5 (bug of mine) | 04:32 |
| pupnik | never saw that before! | 04:32 |
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| javispedro | just "unset DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS" before invoking dpkg-buildpackage | 04:33 |
| javispedro | that'll do the trick until I fix that | 04:33 |
| javispedro | though the autobuilder doesn't set vfp in fremantle, so package in repos is OK | 04:34 |
| javispedro | btw, try with -O2 and -O3, maybe the fremantle compiler does a better job at that | 04:34 |
| javispedro | and good night :) | 04:35 |
| pupnik | if i get some kind of work... ok | 04:35 |
| pupnik | laters! | 04:35 |
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| GAN900 | K`, try root's path. :) | 05:16 |
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| K` | GAN900 I finally just went out ot the car and grabbed my umpc | 05:17 |
| K` | formatted it fat32 | 05:17 |
| K` | and it still isn't showing up | 05:17 |
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| K` | im installing some crap first, but I guess Ill check the syslogs and see if it even detected it | 05:18 |
| K` | this N900 is only 5 hours old, I didn't expect to run into a memory card issue | 05:18 |
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| ceda | hmm, can't get my ssh key to be accepted when trying to login as "user" | 05:19 |
| ceda | root works just fine, and authorized_keys has the exact same content (cp /root/.ssh/authorized_keys /home/user/.ssh/) | 05:20 |
| pupnik | does root have a pw and user not? | 05:20 |
| ceda | I just asked myself that question :) | 05:20 |
| ceda | probably | 05:20 |
| K` | can I set a password on the user account without adverse affects? | 05:21 |
| pupnik | first thing that came to mind. seems to be safe to set a passwd | 05:21 |
| pupnik | well i did | 05:21 |
| ceda | tada | 05:21 |
| pupnik | i actually said something useful? | 05:21 |
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| ceda | yes | 05:22 |
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| K` | how well does the onering work | 05:22 |
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| K` | pupnik is maemo-cplusplus-device-env including onboard build tools | 05:24 |
| K` | or is it just the clibs + debugger | 05:24 |
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| pupnik | K`: can you rephrase your question please? | 05:31 |
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| jaem | morning | 05:31 |
| pupnik | mornin jaem | 05:31 |
| jaem | CSR is evil :/ | 05:31 |
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| jaem | accessing anything on their website past their product overviews implies an NDA | 05:32 |
| jaem | sigh | 05:32 |
| * jaem is still fiddling with the Bluetooth Bracelet | 05:32 | |
| pupnik | can you capture the data? | 05:34 |
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| jaem | pupnik, probably, but that's not the issue | 05:34 |
| jaem | the bracelet as-is is too limited for my purposes | 05:34 |
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| jaem | it's designed to show a single, numerical string once per call | 05:34 |
| pupnik | no alpha? boo | 05:35 |
| jaem | I have it displaying text, and scrolling, but the way I'm doing it is a complete hack | 05:35 |
| jaem | which, among other things, means that it's likely hard on the bracelet's battery, the vibra is unpredictable, and I would have to maintain patches to code I don't want to deal with to make it work without losing other functionality on the N900 | 05:36 |
| jaem | so... | 05:36 |
| jaem | I'm poking around at the bracelet itself, although not with much hope | 05:36 |
| jaem | CSR is about as closed as you can get | 05:36 |
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| jaem | you can't even get a datasheet (that I've seen) without accepting an NDA, and probably not even then unless you're paying them | 05:37 |
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| jaem | also, the display controller looks like it may be a custom job | 05:37 |
| jaem | wee | 05:37 |
| jaem | whee* | 05:38 |
| jaem | the NDA does say that if you already know the information before they tell you (and can prove it), then the NDA is not binding | 05:39 |
| jaem | ...which is something, I suppose | 05:39 |
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| luke-jr | jaem: even if your original source was illegit? :P | 05:40 |
| jaem | luke-jr, IANAL, but it sounds like it to me | 05:40 |
| luke-jr | interesting loophole | 05:40 |
| jaem | granted, that might bring other issues into play, but as far as confidentiality goes, I think so | 05:40 |
| jaem | luke-jr, if I, say, got an employee to leak it, I obviously wouldn't get away with it, but if it's just floating around on the web, I might | 05:41 |
| jaem | lol | 05:41 |
| jaem | in any case, it's annoying | 05:41 |
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| jaem | there are some useful-looking test pads on the board which I'm investigating, though | 05:42 |
| jaem | the labs are closed for the break, though, so I don't have access to the fancy gear :P | 05:42 |
| pupnik | wow | 05:43 |
| jaem | pupnik, ? | 05:43 |
| pupnik | i just find that kind of hacking impressive | 05:43 |
| jaem | pupnik, I haven't *done* anything yet XP | 05:43 |
| jaem | I'll let you know if and when you should be impressed | 05:43 |
| pupnik | i'm trying to generate a ":" when user presses shift + "." for the past two hours | 05:43 |
| pupnik | ok | 05:43 |
| pupnik | same | 05:43 |
| jaem | what I have so far was essentially a good hunch, and a bit of fiddling | 05:44 |
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| jaem | pupnik, what's this for? Just keyboard mapping? | 05:44 |
| pupnik | hmm maybe the function was passing by value after all | 05:44 |
| pupnik | within dosbox | 05:45 |
| jaem | ah, nice | 05:45 |
| jaem | I'm trying to find some way to get a hold of those nice, hackable ZipIt devices | 05:45 |
| jaem | I got money for Christmas for it, but getting one in Canada is difficult | 05:45 |
| jaem | e.g. you can't | 05:45 |
| pupnik | sort of nice. i wanted to parse the /usr/share/keyboards on rx51 but i can't even swap SDL keys yet | 05:45 |
| pupnik | zipit? | 05:45 |
| jaem | pupnik, yeah, it's a gimmicky clamshell IM device marketed at teens | 05:46 |
| pupnik | here they use phones and sms | 05:46 |
| jaem | $50 for a 300MHz XScale with 32MB RAM, 802.11b/g, a keyboard/d-pad, QVGA color screen, and an SD slot | 05:46 |
| jaem | not bad | 05:46 |
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| pupnik | nice | 05:47 |
| jaem | woo... Freenode's having fun tonight | 05:47 |
| arachnist | jaem: imagine how easy and expensive it must be to get stuff from usa when you're in poland | 05:47 |
| jaem | of course, in its intended use, it's a bit of a scam - $10/month ostensibly for SMS gateway service, but it apparently makes you pay just to use MSN/Yahoo/AIM | 05:47 |
| * jaem imagines | 05:47 | |
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| jaem | *splort* | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | so I managed to get 2.6.33-rc1 boot*ing* on my N810... | 05:48 |
| jaem | arachnist, that was my brain | 05:48 |
| jaem | luke-jr, ooh, nice | 05:48 |
| arachnist | luke-jr: nice | 05:48 |
| jaem | emphasis intentional? :P | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | yes | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | I think retu's watchdog is rebooting it :/ | 05:48 |
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| jaem | I got my N810 charging... yay | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | http://elinux.org/N800#Status | 05:48 |
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| luke-jr | the yellow "board implemented" parts are my patches tonight :p | 05:49 |
| jaem | the charging jack on the N810 is horribly constructed | 05:49 |
| jaem | and I was one day over my warranty :/ | 05:49 |
| moek | hi everyone | 05:49 |
| jaem | good thing I have an N900 through uni | 05:49 |
| jaem | luke-jr, I'll take a look | 05:49 |
| moek | i just picked up a n810we | 05:49 |
| jaem | moek, hi | 05:49 |
| moek | trying to get it to connect to clearwire.. | 05:49 |
| moek | any tips? | 05:49 |
| jaem | moek, no experience with WiMax myself, but first of all, what's wrong with it? | 05:50 |
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| moek | well on day 1 | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | moek: LOL? | 05:50 |
| moek | i tried calling clear wire | 05:50 |
| moek | no help | 05:50 |
| moek | today hacking around | 05:50 |
| moek | i discovered it uses "iwtool" | 05:50 |
| jaem | moek, what doesn't work? No signal? Can't connect? ?? | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | moek: there's a reason Nokia discontinued the WiMax edition before the N810 itself | 05:50 |
| moek | it is kind of like iwconfig i guess | 05:50 |
| jaem | luke-jr, lol | 05:50 |
| moek | ya no signal etc.. | 05:50 |
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| moek | so i saw a bunch of frequencies | 05:51 |
| jaem | luke-jr, wait, I thought the N810WE didn't exist... or at least, Samsung doesn't seem to think so XD | 05:51 |
| moek | for various "north_america" plans | 05:51 |
| moek | in a file called wimax.conf | 05:51 |
| moek | however only one of these was in iwtools.ini | 05:51 |
| moek | iwtool.ini | 05:51 |
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| moek | so i copied the rest of them over | 05:51 |
| moek | now when i do iwtool scan | 05:51 |
| phreck | oi. | 05:51 |
| moek | it seems to find something | 05:51 |
| moek | but but i cant connect to it | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | moek: IIRC, N810WE is strict to WiMax standards, and most WiMax ISPs don't comply with them, so they won't work together | 05:52 |
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| phreck | meh | 05:53 |
| moek | i think it may be an authentication issue | 05:53 |
| moek | oic | 05:53 |
| moek | ya | 05:53 |
| moek | that may the prob | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | don't quote me on that, I don't have a clue where I heard it | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | and I know there are exceptions | 05:53 |
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| jaem | pupnik, rofl... some press release has the nerve to call CSR's products "Open Architecture" | 05:53 |
| arachnist | looks like someone's tripping over the cables | 05:53 |
| jaem | arachnist, or... tubes...? | 05:54 |
| arachnist | tubes? they might get clogged... | 05:54 |
| jaem | arachnist, ah, yes | 05:54 |
| jaem | they do that | 05:54 |
| arachnist | anyway, it's 5AM... | 05:55 |
| arachnist | good night | 05:55 |
| jaem | 'night | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | haha | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | my config had watchdog support disabled | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | N810 booting 2.6.33-rc1 now | 05:56 |
| jaem | luke-jr, mwaha | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | very slow | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | I suspect DSME is spinning on kevents | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | Maemo4 desktop looks sane! | 05:56 |
| jaem | the Campus IT Department is testing a new server, on which I have a shell account | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | crap | 05:56 |
| jaem | but they didn't bother posting the SSH fingerprint | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | I didn't copy the wifi modules to it, and it's built for mere pty on USB | 05:57 |
| jaem | ...or responding to my e-mail query about it... for about 3 weeks | 05:57 |
| pupnik | physical visits are harder to delete | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | (and flickering every few seconds) | 05:58 |
| moek | btw | 05:58 |
| moek | regarding ssh | 05:58 |
| moek | i have to setup ping from inside n810 | 05:58 |
| jaem | I also bugged them about getting a list of AP MACs to try out some WiFi positioning ideas, and they told me it was confidential, and I could only get it for one building, and only if a prof signed off on it | 05:58 |
| moek | b4 connecting | 05:58 |
| jaem | moek, sorry? | 05:58 |
| moek | from a laptop... | 05:58 |
| moek | else it is really slow.. | 05:58 |
| moek | i hear this is b/c of pwr management? | 05:58 |
| moek | ie ping from n810 xterm to some ip | 05:58 |
| moek | if that is running.. | 05:58 |
| jaem | ...this despite the fact that I could figure it all out myself if I had time to do the legwork | 05:58 |
| moek | i can ssh to the n810.. | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | moek: yeah, that's PSM | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | moek: you can disable it on the N810 too | 05:59 |
| moek | any other solution for this? | 05:59 |
| moek | how to do this | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | I forget. | 05:59 |
| jaem | moek, PSM config is under "Connections", or whatever it's called | 05:59 |
| moek | ok i will look for it | 06:00 |
| jaem | moek, if you're stuck, I'll go boot my N810 | 06:00 |
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| moek | some1 said it is in control panel | 06:00 |
| moek | but i didnt see it | 06:00 |
| jaem | moek, give me a sec and I'll look it up | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | it's buried | 06:00 |
| moek | ok thanks | 06:01 |
| * luke-jr needs to build his kernel with ethernet USB | 06:01 | |
| luke-jr | oh crap | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | nm | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | I didn't port the USB drivers yet | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | XD | 06:01 |
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| jaem | btw, does anyone here have access to documents on SpringerLink through their University? I just need to check if this document is relevant, but apparently my uni doesn't subscribe | 06:02 |
| jaem | there was a snippet that looked interesting, but no context to tell | 06:02 |
| jaem | oh good grief | 06:04 |
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| jaem | pupnik, this line of chips from CSR runs everything virtualized on-chip | 06:05 |
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| jaem | they sure go out of their way to make things difficult | 06:05 |
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| kamui | okkk | 06:37 |
| kamui | Im at my wits ennnnnnd | 06:37 |
| kamui | sorry, kvm i s acting uppppppp | 06:37 |
| kamui | memorry card just wont show up | 06:38 |
| kamui | what is the device in the fileeeeesystem | 06:38 |
| kamui | on the Nnnn900 | 06:38 |
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| shinkamui | ok, thats better | 06:44 |
| shinkamui | so, can anyone help me out with the SD card | 06:44 |
| shinkamui | I noticed in my syslogs something about needing to update the SD driver | 06:45 |
| shinkamui | this system is stock, so Im a little ocncerned | 06:45 |
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| shinkamui | [ 58.811920] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type_methods | 06:47 |
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| jello69_ | do you want to patch the kernel yourself or wait for an update from nokia? | 06:49 |
| shinkamui | for the moment, I'd just like to know that this is either a known issue, and not user error on my part | 06:50 |
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| luke-jr | shinkamui: known != will be fixed | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | argh | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | I have an almost-clean patch for N8x0 LCD against mainline, except for one stupid need of Tahvo :( | 06:52 |
| shinkamui | you guys love talking cryptically | 06:52 |
| shinkamui | does the N900 read sdhc cards and I fucked up somehow | 06:52 |
| luke-jr | shinkamui: from my point of view, Nokia is nortorious for just leaving bugs alone and never fixing them | 06:52 |
| shinkamui | forums are filled with people cliaming they work fine | 06:52 |
| shinkamui | even nokias official accessory line for the N900 includes 16 and 8 gig sdhc cards | 06:53 |
| shinkamui | so Im really kicking myself here, I have another card I could try formatting | 06:53 |
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| shinkamui | but I'd rather not go through the trouble of moving that shit for nothing | 06:53 |
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| luke-jr | shinkamui: what format is it btw? | 06:54 |
| shinkamui | I just formatted it to fat32 | 06:54 |
| shinkamui | default block size | 06:54 |
| jello69_ | shinkamui: i dont see that error in syslog | 07:00 |
| jello69_ | i do see something funny | 07:00 |
| jello69_ | Dec 28 17:27:04 Nokia-N900-42-11 cellmo-watch[]: Link DOWN | 07:00 |
| jello69_ | Dec 28 17:28:09 Nokia-N900-42-11 cellmo-watch[756]: Link UP: MCU-SW Ver: V ICPR82_09w34.3, 16-10-09, RX-51, (c) Nokia | 07:00 |
| shinkamui | I just dmesg | 07:00 |
| shinkamui | and it came up for me | 07:00 |
| shinkamui | is it not hotswappable in the N900? | 07:00 |
| shinkamui | \I may have to reboot again | 07:00 |
| shinkamui | Im trying the second card | 07:00 |
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| jello69_ | dunno bout hotswap | 07:01 |
| shinkamui | well, Im doing another format in a micro to SD adapter | 07:01 |
| luke-jr | N900 has a full size SD slot? | 07:02 |
| shinkamui | no | 07:03 |
| shinkamui | micro | 07:03 |
| shinkamui | but it wont format | 07:03 |
| shinkamui | doesn't even detect it | 07:03 |
| shinkamui | so Im doing a full format in my pc | 07:03 |
| shinkamui | fat 32, 4096 byte blocks | 07:03 |
| shinkamui | no volume lable | 07:03 |
| shinkamui | label even | 07:03 |
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| jN900 | timeless: hey. a couple of errors in Brit translation. will mail. | 07:05 |
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| Guest65018 | hi | 07:19 |
| Guest65018 | can anyone see this? | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | no | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | sorry | 07:19 |
| Guest65018 | I'm using an unfamiliar client | 07:20 |
| jello69_ | usr/sbin/csd -m -p call -p gprs -p info -p net -p sa | 07:20 |
| Guest65018 | Does anyone know how to send a text message to multiple contacts? | 07:20 |
| Guest65018 | I'm using the n900 and having trouble sending text messages to multiple contacts | 07:21 |
| Guest65018 | I also cannot seem to use the onscreen keyboard (a word is suggested, I cannot select the suggested word, no matter what I hit the suggested word is replaced by blank) | 07:21 |
| Guest65018 | brb | 07:22 |
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| jello69_ | # rmmod ssi_mcsaab_imp | 07:24 |
| jello69_ | # cat /var/log/syslog | 07:24 |
| jello69_ | Dec 29 05:24:35 Nokia-N900-42-11 cellmo-watch[3108]: Link DOWN | 07:24 |
| jello69_ | die, bitch | 07:24 |
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| liveuser002 | hi, I have the n900. I can't seem to send a text message to multiple contacts. Does anyone know if this is possible? | 07:27 |
| sulx | conversation->new sms | 07:28 |
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| liveuser002 | sulx: geez thanks! | 07:29 |
| liveuser002 | sulx: I've been hunting for that for a while | 07:29 |
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| liveuser002 | the other problem I'm having is using the on screen keyboard. If I type "trans" the word "transportation" will appear with "portation" highlighted. What key do I hit to return the word? (pressing the hardware keyboard Right arrow works) | 07:31 |
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| jello69_ | right arrow | 07:34 |
| jello69_ | where are you typing the word - in what field of what program? any program? | 07:35 |
| liveuser002 | jello69_: yes any field the on screen software keyboard | 07:36 |
| liveuser002 | jello69_: I would have guessed clicking the textbox (not the original textbox, but the on screen word to be appened textbox) would have done it. | 07:37 |
| liveuser002 | I also tried Enter, the down arrow (it's sort of an upside down carrot), and of course tapping the textbox | 07:38 |
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| jaem | liveuser002, I'll take a look to see if I can help you | 07:41 |
| jaem | also, just FYI, the symbol you're talking about is "caret", not "carrot" :P No offense | 07:42 |
| liveuser002 | jaem: thanks It's a stupid question I know | 07:42 |
| liveuser002 | duh I knew that | 07:42 |
| jaem | liveuser002, not really - if it's not apparent or easily discoverable, then it's probably a usability issue rather than your fault | 07:42 |
| jaem | Maemo 5 is good, but it's still pretty "raw" | 07:42 |
| jaem | liveuser002, just so I'm on the same page here, can you tell me which options you have selected under Settings->Text Input? | 07:43 |
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| liveuser002 | jaem: everything is checked except for a second dictionary or language | 07:44 |
| liveuser002 | jaem: use virtual keyboard and word completion are selected | 07:45 |
| jaem | liveuser002, okay, I'll check it now. Can you give me an example of your exact process, so I can reproduce the problem? | 07:45 |
| jaem | liveuser002, I've opened the stock text editor | 07:45 |
| jaem | oh, I see... nvm | 07:46 |
| jaem | ah - got it | 07:47 |
| jaem | notice that it underlines the highlighted autocompleted part of the word? | 07:47 |
| jaem | just tap the underlined part | 07:47 |
| liveuser002 | ah perfect | 07:47 |
| jaem | they could have made it a bit more obvious, I suppose. Did it not mention that in the manual? | 07:48 |
| jaem | I never use the OSK, and I have a prerelease (non-retail) box, so I don't know if mine would be the same | 07:48 |
| liveuser002 | I had trouble with ip address too, I found the thing is to type ... then Blue Arrow, Blue Arrow, then ### Right ### Right | 07:48 |
| liveuser002 | jaem: I'll look at the manual, I didn't read it that closely | 07:49 |
| liveuser002 | actually it seems there are no directions for the software at all | 07:49 |
| jaem | liveuser002, it might be a good idea. The on-device help system is also quite comprehensive | 07:50 |
| jaem | ah | 07:50 |
| liveuser002 | the marbles game has a similar problem - I have no idea how to play it | 07:50 |
| jaem | (see previous statement) | 07:50 |
| jello69_ | marbles is an excellent puzzle game | 07:50 |
| liveuser002 | thanks, I'll be sure to check that before posting here next time | 07:50 |
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| jaem | the marbles game is tricky. Click on a marble, then click where you want it to go. It rolls as far as it can in that direction. Try to make them line up (somewhere) as in the picture | 07:51 |
| jaem | that's about it | 07:51 |
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| liveuser002 | thanks | 07:51 |
| jello69_ | even easier trainer levels perhaps | 07:51 |
| jaem | liveuser002, I don't blame you. I don't know that any other phone has a PC-like Help Browser, so it's not somewhere I'd expect people to look | 07:51 |
| jaem | but it is a great intro guide | 07:51 |
| jaem | liveuser002, did you just get your N900 recently? | 07:51 |
| liveuser002 | jaem: I've had it for about 2 weeks | 07:52 |
| liveuser002 | it's more of a computer than a phone, which is great for me | 07:52 |
| liveuser002 | I haven't gotten ssh to work yet (due to my own stupidity with networking). Once I've got that figured out this phone will be the best thing ever | 07:53 |
| jaem | liveuser002, ssh in which direction? | 07:53 |
| liveuser002 | I'd want the phone to be the client | 07:53 |
| jaem | liveuser002, ah... what's the issue? | 07:53 |
| liveuser002 | I was able to ping my ip address but not ssh to it, I think a router is blocking in the middle somewhere | 07:54 |
| liveuser002 | I'm a little more used to redhat than debian, I'm starting to see the differences | 07:54 |
| liveuser002 | little things, over all this is the best phone/umpc I have ever seen | 07:55 |
| jaem | liveuser002, I fully agree | 07:55 |
| jello69_ | same here. still in love. | 07:55 |
| jaem | it has a fair number of issues, but nothing I've seen would I call a "flaw"... just stupid things that need to be fixed | 07:55 |
| jaem | liveuser002, do you use NX at all? | 07:56 |
| liveuser002 | I'm a big linux fan, because of sharing and a little paranoia | 07:56 |
| jaem | liveuser002, a little paranoia can be healthy :) | 07:56 |
| liveuser002 | one thing I'd like is the terminal to have an extra onscreen button - an Enter key | 07:57 |
| jaem | liveuser002, I ask because one of the community members is finishing up a port of QTNX, and getting an X login to your desktop on your phone is nothing short of epic | 07:57 |
| liveuser002 | I like the tab and esc,, if the control key would automatically turn off after I click a single button that would also be nice | 07:57 |
| jello69_ | you can add buttons to terminal with gconf - see russkies thread on t.m.o can add pipe tilde greaterthan too | 07:58 |
| liveuser002 | I'm not familiar with QTNX,, let me google it.. | 07:59 |
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| jello69_ | ctrl i dont use because it is on keyboard | 07:59 |
| jaem | liveuser002, nomachine.com | 07:59 |
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| shinkamui | ooh is there a port of NX yet? | 07:59 |
| shinkamui | that would rock | 07:59 |
| jaem | it's like VNC, only less bandwidth-intensive, and has SSH built in | 07:59 |
| liveuser002 | yeah pipe and tidle would be great | 07:59 |
| jaem | in fact, it's not really like VNC at all, except in terms of general concept | 07:59 |
| jello69_ | jaem i get nxserver up but i never get a session. i think i need to create a session for X to start | 07:59 |
| jaem | shinkamui, it's in beta - should be in -testing, I think | 07:59 |
| jaem | jello69_, sorry? | 08:00 |
| jello69_ | login is fine | 08:00 |
| jello69_ | just some bad server gonfig | 08:00 |
| jaem | are you saying that the N900 will authenticate, but won't load the session? | 08:00 |
| frals | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=386724#post386724 for adding more keys to xterm | 08:00 |
| jello69_ | yes | 08:00 |
| jaem | frals, thanks | 08:00 |
| frals | np | 08:00 |
| jello69_ | ty frals | 08:00 |
| jaem | jello69_, I've had that too, and the odd time with the desktop Linux client | 08:00 |
| liveuser002 | I thought it could do that already though vpn (not that I tried obviously) | 08:00 |
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| jaem | jello69_, check the log on the menu, maybe? | 08:01 |
| MaceG1 | Hm | 08:01 |
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| jaem | liveuser002, I'm talking about a full graphical desktop login | 08:01 |
| jaem | oh, I see what you mean, sorry | 08:01 |
| liveuser002 | that would be very cool | 08:01 |
| jaem | yes, you can, but NX is pretty nice | 08:01 |
| jaem | they claim you can maintain a session over dialup | 08:01 |
| jello69_ | yeah you need to select cde, or kde, and your server needs to have a thingy set up for the one you choose. deluxxe distros probly have it | 08:01 |
| jaem | "maintain" is definitely the operative word, but it *does* work pretty well over any reasonable connection | 08:02 |
| shinkamui | shares more in comoon with TS/RDP | 08:02 |
| shinkamui | speed wise | 08:02 |
| jaem | shinkamui, I'm hoping to buy a nice little Linux clamshell device to run NX on, as a wireless thin client | 08:02 |
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| jello69_ | our new gcc is much nicer than old one | 08:03 |
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| jello69_ | jaem did you see my device activated cell radio with no sim present? | 08:04 |
| jaem | jello69_, one sec | 08:05 |
| jello69_ | according to syslog at least | 08:05 |
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| jaem | jello69_, eenteresting... *drums fingers* | 08:06 |
| shinkamui | anyone have any advise on how i would/could map ctrl backspace to esc | 08:07 |
| shinkamui | ? | 08:07 |
| jello69_ | i dont know anything, just poking around | 08:07 |
| shinkamui | or funct backspace | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | eh, NX doesn't work at all unless your system fits within their tiny scope of an OS | 08:07 |
| jaem | shinkamui, this might help: http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2009/12/17/remapping-the-n900-arrow-keys/ | 08:07 |
| jello69_ | it is possible but i dont know the right way | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | full of hacky code that breaks if you change the slightest thing | 08:08 |
| jaem | shinkamui, I've never done it myself | 08:08 |
| jello69_ | nice | 08:08 |
| jaem | luke-jr, have you tried Google's server? | 08:08 |
| jello69_ | ty luke-jr | 08:08 |
| jello69_ | what | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | jaem: hm? | 08:08 |
| jaem | I haven't, but they claim that they wrote it in response to those issues | 08:08 |
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| jaem | Google wrote an Open Source NX server | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | o | 08:08 |
| jaem | there wasn't much fanfare - I didn't find out until recently | 08:08 |
| jaem | apparently they got fed up with what you were describing, and tried to make something less unwieldy | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | hehe | 08:09 |
| jello69_ | i saw it. thought you meant a running nx server for usertests | 08:09 |
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| jaem | luke-jr, jello69_, do you know of any lightweight Open Source frontends for NX? | 08:09 |
| jaem | the target I'm hoping to use has 32MB of RAM | 08:10 |
| jaem | so a Qt GUI is probably not desirable | 08:10 |
| jaem | although I suppose it might fine | 08:10 |
| jello69_ | i wouldnt try it | 08:11 |
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| shinkamui | I dont know, even wtih egde only and wifi with no bluetooth, I dont seriously expect more than 6 hours of battery life | 08:12 |
| luke-jr | jaem: afaik, NX requires a toolkit, and Qt is pretty much the best you'll get there | 08:12 |
| luke-jr | hmm, that *is* an interesting idea | 08:13 |
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| luke-jr | in fact, such a concept could give reasonable life to my N810 in theory | 08:13 |
| jaem | luke-jr, I'm all for Qt, but I was referring to the frontend that saves you mucking around in the terminal to login and control sessions | 08:13 |
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| jaem | I can't see why that would need anything fancy | 08:13 |
| jaem | heck, I'd be happy with a user-friendly CLI frontend | 08:13 |
| luke-jr | jaem: AFAIK, NX uses client-side widgets | 08:13 |
| luke-jr | but I don't know | 08:13 |
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| jaem | luke-jr, I'm not sure what you're talking about, but this (AFAIK) has nothing to do with the actual remoting; I'm strictly talking about the part of the client that sets up the connection using NoMachine's tools | 08:14 |
| jaem | huh | 08:14 |
| jaem | odd | 08:14 |
| jaem | -shrug- | 08:15 |
| jaem | I was trying to access an academic paper that they wanted me to pay for, and it didn't list my uni in the login form | 08:15 |
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| jaem | so I tunnelled the connection through the campus network, which usually authenticates me automatically | 08:16 |
| jaem | and I could swear it still didn't work | 08:16 |
| jaem | but I just downloaded it | 08:16 |
| jaem | oh well... not complaining | 08:16 |
| jaem | luke-jr, I wonder how NX is on battery life | 08:16 |
| jaem | any idea? | 08:16 |
| jaem | the client, that is | 08:17 |
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| jaem | does anyone know off-hand of any popular Firefox extensions for clipping notes out of webpages? I remember seeing something fairly prominent, but it wasn't by Google, and it wasn't Zotero | 08:22 |
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| jello69_ | hilight and copy works here.. sometimes | 08:24 |
| jello69_ | you probably referring to a journal page that prevents that | 08:25 |
| jaem | jello69_, sorry, I meant a browser plugin | 08:26 |
| jaem | and as to PDF "DRM"... | 08:26 |
| jaem | my reader has a nice little *checkbox* in the options to turn that off ^^ | 08:26 |
| jaem | it made me laugh when I saw that | 08:26 |
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| jello69_ | hmm | 08:28 |
| jaem | jello69_, don't worry about it - I just couldn't think of the name, and thought I'd ask | 08:28 |
| jaem | I can search for it | 08:29 |
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| shinkamui | damn | 08:32 |
| shinkamui | fennec is DEFINATELY not ready for prime time | 08:32 |
| shinkamui | its slow as balls | 08:32 |
| jaem | shinkamui, yeah, I've noticed :/ | 08:32 |
| jaem | which version are they at now? | 08:32 |
| shinkamui | 1.0b6 | 08:32 |
| jaem | hrm | 08:32 |
| jaem | on the N900? | 08:32 |
| shinkamui | ea | 08:32 |
| shinkamui | y | 08:32 |
| shinkamui | N900 nightly build repo | 08:32 |
| jaem | huh | 08:32 |
| jaem | too bad | 08:32 |
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| jaem | well, at least microB is usable in Maemo5 | 08:32 |
| jaem | Fennec's features and mission sound good, but if it's still slow... I don't know | 08:33 |
| shinkamui | and I can't even set up weave | 08:34 |
| shinkamui | fuck it | 08:34 |
| jello69_ | i play with links2 browser ;) | 08:42 |
| jello69_ | and tear | 08:42 |
| jello69_ | with better fonts i could enjoy links2 even | 08:43 |
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| phreck | is there a way to bump from 2G to 3.5G while using the browser without going through settings? | 08:45 |
| Luria | j #hardware | 08:45 |
| phreck | trying to maximize battery life still lol | 08:45 |
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| phreck | uhhh | 08:45 |
| Luria | oops :-) | 08:45 |
| Luria | goddamn new keyboard | 08:45 |
| phreck | lolsauce | 08:45 |
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| jello69_ | ood question phreck - almost surely yes | 08:47 |
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| phreck | wondering if i can script it... | 08:48 |
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| phreck | or if ts doable | 08:48 |
| jello69_ | a userspace appliction makes the switch... | 08:48 |
| phreck | i mean, i dont need 3g for mirc or any texting, just downloading apps and web browsing... | 08:49 |
| phreck | hmmmm | 08:49 |
| phreck | well, we should get an app up for testing. | 08:49 |
| phreck | or at least a 3G widget. | 08:49 |
| phreck | meh. ill get thesdk on my nix box tomorrow. | 08:50 |
| jello69_ | do you have the source for the connection mgr? | 08:51 |
| jello69_ | i dont think there is much documentation | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | UI is closed | 08:52 |
| phreck | yep... | 08:53 |
| phreck | reversing might be possible. | 08:54 |
| phreck | blahhh | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | take a good read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages with emphasis on http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages#Requesting_the_opening_of_closed_components | 08:54 |
| jello69_ | stskeeps, this is the daemon who monitors which net connections can be used? 2756 root 3352 S /usr/sbin/csd -m -p call -p gprs -p info -p net -p sa | 08:54 |
| phreck | also was the wifi bug ever confirmed? | 08:54 |
| jello69_ | ty | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | jello69_: that's cellphone interface daemon afaik | 08:55 |
| jello69_ | mm maybe that guy woke it up | 08:55 |
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| wazd | hello everyone | 09:27 |
| thresh | OHAI | 09:27 |
| wazd | thresh: I've found Euroset e-store base nearby yesterday :D | 09:28 |
| thresh | cool | 09:28 |
| wazd | now I'm a symbian coolhacker :D | 09:28 |
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| wazd | RST38h: around? | 09:29 |
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| * Arkenoi still tries to find a good protective case for n900. there are several belt-mounted models that fit, but i am looking for one to carry in a pocket | 09:57 | |
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| wazd | Arkenoi: screen protector would be enough | 10:00 |
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| wazd | Arkenoi: unless you want to test fly app :D | 10:00 |
| thresh | Arkenoi: if you will find and/or order one, please let me know or order two? :) | 10:00 |
| Arkenoi | wazd: i do not want one, as it doesn't look good and reduces both sensitivity and visibility. so i'd like just a good leather case | 10:01 |
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| RST38bis | EHLO ALL | 10:02 |
| thresh | OHAI | 10:02 |
| * Arkenoi btw tried pitek's belt-mounted model that fits good and seen the infamous magnet bug with my own eyes ;-) | 10:02 | |
| RST38bis | what is pitek and the magnet bug? | 10:03 |
| RST38bis | btw, I have got xchat to usable state | 10:04 |
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| wazd | RST38bis: hey | 10:04 |
| wazd | RST38bis: Roman is not responding again :( | 10:04 |
| RST38bis | heya wazd, how are things? is s60 treating you fairly?;) | 10:05 |
| RST38bis | wazd: ny | 10:05 |
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| wazd | RST38bis: got personal sertificate ;) | 10:06 |
| RST38bis | ahh... full certificate? | 10:07 |
| wazd | RST38bis: yep | 10:07 |
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| wazd | RST38bis: screen is lowres, system is damn fast overall :) | 10:07 |
| wazd | RST38bis: Picodrive is awesome) | 10:08 |
| Arkenoi | RST38bis, ah, they are petek actually | 10:09 |
| Arkenoi | http://www.petek-shop.ru/ | 10:09 |
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| Arkenoi | the magnet bug: put a small magnet close to the center of the screen and n900 will wake up and never go asleep until you remove the magnet | 10:10 |
| RST38bis | anyone knows if I can expect mheigb font on every tablet? | 10:10 |
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| RST38bis | Arkenoi: ah I know why it happens | 10:12 |
| RST38bis | has nothing to do with screens | 10:12 |
| RST38bis | wazd: install more apps and it will slow down thoug | 10:13 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38bis, btw what did you do with your old e70? | 10:14 |
| Anidel | morning guys... if you lock the screen of the N900, then press the power button to bring up the locked screen (where you have got to slide to unlock it), then keep your finger pressed on it.. it will never turn off the screen until you remove your finger | 10:14 |
| Anidel | I will file a bug on this.. as it can discharge the phone when locked in your pocket and for some Murphy law, it will happen | 10:15 |
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| wazd | RST38bis: well, I don't need much | 10:16 |
| wazd | RST38bis: Jabber, IRC< CorePlayer, that's kinda all :) | 10:16 |
| wazd | RST38bis: and it has 128 RAM btw :) | 10:17 |
| RST38bis | arkenoi: and yes, wearing stuff on your belt in moscow is like wearing a sign "please, rob me" | 10:17 |
| PaulFertser | RST38bis: are you sure that's up-to-date info? | 10:17 |
| RST38bis | arkenoi: nothing, it has been retired to the desk drawer for now | 10:18 |
| RST38bis | Paul: what info? | 10:18 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38bis, hmm, maybe you are walking wrong parts of Moscow, as i never had problems like that ;-) | 10:19 |
| Anidel | Hello RST38bis, pleased to meet you | 10:19 |
| PaulFertser | RST38bis: robbery in moscow | 10:19 |
| RST38bis | Arkenoi: only if subway is the wrong part... | 10:20 |
| RST38bis | Paul: pretty fresh, 3 days old I would say :) | 10:20 |
| RST38bis | Anidel: mooo! | 10:20 |
| Arkenoi | RST38bis, what happened? | 10:20 |
| RST38bis | Arkenoi: an acquaintance lost her keyring on the subway, pickpocketed during rush hour | 10:21 |
| RST38bis | Arkenoi: No real value lost but replacing 10+ keys will be trouble | 10:22 |
| Anidel | rst38bis was just dutifully replying to your EHLO, I am kinda slow :p packing and leaving for a quite long train trip this morning | 10:22 |
| PaulFertser | Not exactly robbery i'd say | 10:22 |
| Arkenoi | who the hell needs someone else's keyring without any knowledge what those keys are for? | 10:22 |
| Arkenoi | poul: yep | 10:23 |
| PaulFertser | Probably she lost it herself | 10:23 |
| RST38bis | Anidel: do you by any chance know if mhegb font is guaranteed to be on the device? | 10:23 |
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| RST38bis | Paul: when you lose you gadget this way and come here to complain, I will respond the same | 10:23 |
| Anidel | RST38bis: nope, no idea about that. I can check on 51-1 if you tell me the font name, are them in /usr/X11/fonts or similar? | 10:23 |
| RST38bis | probably lost it yourself :) | 10:24 |
| Anidel | maybe it lost it itself | 10:24 |
| RST38bis | Anidel: will be in xterm settings but never mind, I will catch and torture konttori :) | 10:24 |
| Anidel | that's more fun :) | 10:25 |
| * Arkenoi heared much about pickpocketing in public transport but was a "victim" just once when very drunk (and reasonably well-dressed, not looking like an alcoholic and homeless) woman tried to find something in my pocket where was nothing anyways ;-) She tried to use a small bag to hide her actions ;-)) | 10:25 | |
| RST38bis | Arkenoi: well, it is not widespread | 10:25 |
| Anidel | Arkenoi, she was looking for your phone number | 10:25 |
| Arkenoi | she wasn't my type at all ;-) | 10:25 |
| RST38bis | Arkenoi: but there is absolutely no need to invite it to happen | 10:26 |
| wazd | Pickpocketing was my ticket into maemo :D | 10:26 |
| Arkenoi | but that was funny | 10:26 |
| Anidel | eheh | 10:26 |
| wazd | cause my Loox 720 was stolen that way :) | 10:26 |
| RST38bis | wazd: your pocketpc was stolen? :) | 10:26 |
| RST38bis | ahhahaha | 10:26 |
| Anidel | I am not sure Naples would be any safer than Moscow in this pickpocketing battle | 10:27 |
| Arkenoi | well, actually belt mounted case is not easy prey as you are likely to notice if there is something suspicious going on | 10:27 |
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| wazd | russian pickpocketers are so tough that they can pick things from your underwear :D | 10:27 |
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| wazd_e63 | Yeah, I agree | 10:28 |
| Anidel | they say that if you drive with your arm (and wistwatch) outside the car window (as it'd be very warm during the summer) then the Neapolitans would be able to pickpocket it the same | 10:28 |
| PaulFertser | RST38bis: (respond the same way) sorry. It's just a bit too weird to hear about pick-pocketers taking useless keys. | 10:28 |
| RST38bis | wazd: which makes them on par with TSA | 10:29 |
| RST38bis | Paul: well they took what they found | 10:29 |
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| RST38bis | Anidel: it is actually not that bad here but there are too many people, too tightlu packed, so statistics go into play | 10:30 |
| PaulFertser | (TSA) lol. I've heard that the USA hackers can no longer use laptop during the flights :D | 10:30 |
| Arkenoi | thieves rarely steal from pockets and belt bags, they prefer stealing stuff from women bags, wallets and mobile phones are likely to be there and it is much harder to pay attention to. | 10:31 |
| Anidel | rst38bis: indeed.. same in every big ciry I'd suspect | 10:31 |
| Anidel | s/ciry/city | 10:31 |
| Anidel | breakfast, brb | 10:31 |
| RST38bis | yea, pockets are actually difficult | 10:32 |
| RST38bis | but belt bag sounds mighty easy to steal from | 10:32 |
| Arkenoi | RST38bis, it is on your front and in direct sight | 10:33 |
| * ifreq puts tinfoil hat on so no one can hear me scream inside of my mind :-P | 10:33 | |
| RST38bis | Arkenoi: not on the subway, in the crowd | 10:34 |
| RST38bis | quick question: xchat channel chooser, top or the bottom of the screen?? | 10:34 |
| RST38bis | (votes accepted) | 10:35 |
| wazd | left :) | 10:36 |
| Arkenoi | RST38bis, i used belt mounted case in the summer, no problems so far. It is safer that outer pockets at least | 10:36 |
| wazd | or top as tabs | 10:36 |
| RST38bis | left is out of the question on n900 | 10:36 |
| fnordianslip | RST38bis: I vote for the tabs on the bottom | 10:36 |
| RST38bis | ok, 1 top, 1 bottom | 10:37 |
| RST38bis | more votes? | 10:37 |
| Arkenoi | bottom | 10:37 |
| RST38bis | 1:2 | 10:37 |
| wazd | bootom should be toolbar | 10:37 |
| wazd | that's the law | 10:38 |
| wazd | 2:2 :) | 10:38 |
| RST38bis | no toolbar in xchat, bt there is input line on the bottom | 10:38 |
| fnordianslip | wazd: laws have flaws, and rules are for fools :) | 10:38 |
| wazd | RST38bis: input then | 10:38 |
| * RST38bis also thinks about the top | 10:39 | |
| RST38bis | so that these tabs do not interfere with input | 10:39 |
| Arkenoi | well, actually i said "bottom" as it is there in my desktop setup | 10:39 |
| RST38bis | yea | 10:39 |
| lucent | xchat? srsly? | 10:39 |
| Arkenoi | maybe top is actually better for finger tapping | 10:39 |
| RST38bis | they are more for nail tapping though :) | 10:40 |
| lucent | xchat was my introduction to avoid running X as root | 10:41 |
| lucent | IRC is just weird like this I don't see how it fits into a maemo device | 10:42 |
| RST38bis | bottom actually feels better when I try it... hmmm | 10:42 |
| RST38bis | finger selection does work | 10:42 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:43 |
| lucent | oh I gotta keep poking about this one, are any of you N900 users? | 10:43 |
| ifreq | lucent: what do you think? | 10:43 |
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| lucent | I seek news about the Ovi Store, it's a little off-topic but I was hoping for some more clued individuals to clue me in :) | 10:43 |
| ifreq | no news yet | 10:43 |
| ifreq | been waiting for its opening also. | 10:43 |
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| ifreq | not for the apps but syncing and shit :P | 10:44 |
| lucent | yeah, are you going to take a chance on the rebate and hope it gets honored, or wait to send it in? | 10:44 |
| fcrozat | lucent: well, nokia is always secret about "launching" products and so on.. | 10:44 |
| lucent | ohhh | 10:44 |
| fcrozat | can't really expect any date | 10:44 |
| lucent | not USA | 10:44 |
| * lucent /whois'ez | 10:44 | |
| ifreq | nope, no rebates here | 10:45 |
| lucent | the USA rebate is like $50 visa prepaid if I sign up for Ovi Store, but I'm not clear what constitutes signing up for the store | 10:45 |
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| lucent | fcrozat: I guess that's new news for me | 10:47 |
| lucent | is N900 totally useless? | 10:47 |
| lucent | whoops I forgot to type what I was going to ask in that question | 10:47 |
| lucent | is N900's *GPS* totally useless? | 10:48 |
| Laiska_ | No. | 10:48 |
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| lucent | it seemed to work for 10 seconds after the first time I used , now it never looks like it has a signal | 10:48 |
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| lucent | what tricks are needed to help it work, or is my case unusual? | 10:49 |
| ifreq | and youre testing it outside right? | 10:49 |
| ifreq | not in a car /house whatsoever | 10:49 |
| lucent | yeah outside while snowboarding | 10:49 |
| ifreq | oki then it should work just nicely | 10:50 |
| ifreq | need to test gps functionality more then if its really problemati | 10:51 |
| Markus23 | gps works quite fine | 10:51 |
| ifreq | c | 10:51 |
| Laiska | And with what application are you using it? | 10:51 |
| Markus23 | for geo tagging and the map | 10:51 |
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| Laiska | I miss maemo mapper :/ | 10:51 |
| lucent | well since it doesn't work, I did not try an application | 10:51 |
| ifreq | i want google maps :P | 10:52 |
| lucent | the "satellite" icon always said there was no fix or something like that | 10:52 |
| Markus23 | ifreq: it works? you mean google maps with gps? | 10:52 |
| Laiska | "coarse accuracy?" | 10:52 |
| lucent | yep that's it | 10:52 |
| lucent | only I had no cellular service so it was something like no location | 10:52 |
| ifreq | Markus23: heh now im not sure :) | 10:52 |
| Markus23 | lucent: are you connected to internet? | 10:53 |
| Markus23 | lucent: GPS-A needs connection to internet to download the position of satellits | 10:53 |
| lucent | oh | 10:53 |
| ifreq | Markus23: seems it does acc to googlemaps site | 10:53 |
| Markus23 | I did not use it without | 10:53 |
| PaulFertser | BTW, i think today's night i had a dream where someone told me that n900 gps problems were solved. | 10:53 |
| wazd_e63 | the only thing that I found strange in symbian v3 UI is statusbar | 10:53 |
| Markus23 | do not know how well it works then... | 10:53 |
| lucent | Markus23: I can't be connected to Internet access on the mountain side | 10:53 |
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| lucent | so that might be .... helpful to explain why it's not working quite right | 10:54 |
| Markus23 | lucent: yeah, but you could be connected before | 10:54 |
| Anidel | gotta go.. see ya guys | 10:54 |
| lucent | well when I have Internet access, I am on a bus heading towards the mountain | 10:54 |
| Markus23 | once you have your gps connection you may not lose it | 10:54 |
| lucent | EDGE access fades out just before I arrive | 10:54 |
| Markus23 | loose | 10:54 |
| wazd_e63 | it doesn't show wifi status, elements are jumping | 10:54 |
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| ifreq | doesnt ovi maps need internet connection for updating maps? | 10:55 |
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| ifreq | even it has proper gps signal aye? | 10:55 |
| Markus23 | Is it possible to have a mail filter for imap in maemo5? | 10:55 |
| Markus23 | or how do you guys handle your spam on n900? | 10:55 |
| luke-jr | Markus23: that logically makes no sense :P | 10:56 |
| lucent | I haven't tackled built-in mail on N900 | 10:56 |
| luke-jr | mail filters for IMAP are server-side | 10:56 |
| ifreq | Markus23: using prespam filters :P | 10:56 |
| Markus23 | lucent: the mails are already tagged | 10:56 |
| Markus23 | but I dont want to get notification for it | 10:56 |
| ifreq | Markus23: what kind of server platform? | 10:57 |
| Markus23 | postfix, courier, maildrop | 10:57 |
| ifreq | you dont happen to have shell access into it? | 10:57 |
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| ifreq | ah ok | 10:57 |
| ifreq | then you could do local .procmail rules to move spam tagged to another dir than inbox | 10:58 |
| Markus23 | ifreq: any idea how to tag the mails readed? | 10:58 |
| Markus23 | ifreq: they are already in separated spam folder | 10:58 |
| Markus23 | but I still get notifications.. | 10:58 |
| ifreq | ah okay, but youre still getting notifications | 10:58 |
| Markus23 | yes ;( | 10:58 |
| ifreq | you could unsubscribe that folder | 10:58 |
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| ifreq | tho then you cant see whats inside of it ;P | 10:58 |
| Markus23 | how to do it? | 10:59 |
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| Markus23 | folder details has nothing then how many mails are there and the size | 10:59 |
| Markus23 | I don't see anything I could change on the device | 10:59 |
| ifreq | nope you prob need some proper email client to change such settings | 11:00 |
| Markus23 | so the default e-mail client is not proper? | 11:00 |
| ifreq | https://spaces.umbc.edu/display/hd2/Subscribe+to+Folders+in+Mozilla+Thunderbird | 11:00 |
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| ifreq | Markus23: well its not ADVANCED atleast | 11:00 |
| Markus23 | mmh, getting spam is not really advanced :-) | 11:01 |
| ifreq | you can do the unsubscribing with <insert email client here> and it affects all the clients you use afterwards with IMAP | 11:01 |
| ifreq | yeah well thats something you should discuss with your ISP/admin | 11:02 |
| ifreq | not us :P | 11:02 |
| Markus23 | ok, I could do that | 11:02 |
| ifreq | yeah, its one solution.. tho then you miss stuff inside the SPAM folder | 11:02 |
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| Markus23 | ifreq: no, that does not work.. I unsubscribed it here with kmail (and it does not show up there), but it still shows up on n900 | 11:05 |
| Markus23 | even got a new mail there... so it seems it is still subscribed | 11:07 |
| ifreq | okay mayb its then client based. ive newer kept the spam folder visible so dunno | 11:07 |
| ifreq | atleast the sites say it should not shown with other clients either | 11:08 |
| ifreq | im sure you turned your email client off etc so :P | 11:08 |
| ifreq | changed you do for subscibed folders are effected globally via your IMAP box says all the sites ive been now | 11:09 |
| Markus23 | ifreq: maybe other clients unsubscribe it automatically, *if* they have the feature | 11:09 |
| ifreq | yeah | 11:10 |
| ifreq | we dunno how the email client on n900 handles the box after 1st sync | 11:10 |
| ifreq | is is still seen as imap box or local box+folders | 11:10 |
| Markus23 | ifreq: you are using thunderbird on n900? | 11:10 |
| ifreq | nope, im using the default | 11:11 |
| Markus23 | ifreq: yes, I see the folder "spam" on n900, but not for kmail | 11:11 |
| Markus23 | so you mean when I do the imap setup again it might be away? | 11:11 |
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| ifreq | yeah well thats a solution | 11:12 |
| ifreq | just remember by unsubscribing you have change to miss some real emails if they are tagged for some reason :P | 11:12 |
| ifreq | but guess you rather keep it that way instead of watching the spam flow | 11:12 |
| ifreq | :) | 11:12 |
| Markus23 | yes, that is much better :-) | 11:13 |
| Markus23 | get spam every minute | 11:13 |
| villager | Markus23: you don't need internet connection to use the gps... A-GPS allows you to lock on faster, but you can lock on without | 11:13 |
| Markus23 | it makes notification useless | 11:13 |
| Markus23 | (and disturbing) | 11:13 |
| Markus23 | villager: yeah, but as I stated I have not tried gps without internet connection | 11:14 |
| Markus23 | villager: do you have experience how well it works? | 11:14 |
| villager | yeah I've used the gps in ovi maps... works fine | 11:14 |
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| villager | though I did have gsm coverage | 11:15 |
| Markus23 | villager: how long does it take until you have your position? | 11:15 |
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| villager | with a-gps? dunno, 5-10 seconds? | 11:15 |
| Markus23 | mmh, so maybe you got the file over EDGE or something | 11:15 |
| Markus23 | yeah, I know a-gps is very fast | 11:15 |
| villager | what file? the ovi map? | 11:15 |
| Markus23 | no the file with the satellite positions | 11:15 |
| Markus23 | the difference between normal gps and a-gps | 11:16 |
| Markus23 | the assistent information | 11:16 |
| Markus23 | whatever it is called | 11:16 |
| villager | there's a file with satellite position? | 11:16 |
| Markus23 | maybe you received it over gsm? | 11:16 |
| Markus23 | 5-10 sec is too fast for normal gps | 11:16 |
| villager | why do you think there's a file? | 11:16 |
| Markus23 | villager: maybe not a file on the device, maybe just in ram, don't know | 11:17 |
| Markus23 | n900 is really great btw., it does much more then I expected from it | 11:17 |
| villager | I don't think there's a file anywhere | 11:17 |
| Markus23 | yeah, that could be easily true | 11:18 |
| Markus23 | you don't have much of it, after rebooting you are most likely somewhere else | 11:18 |
| villager | with a-gps, the internal gps sends whatever information it has to the a-gps server, and then the a-gps server calculates some stuff and sends the result back, as I understand it | 11:18 |
| ifreq | just gief google maps and im happy with it :P | 11:18 |
| timeless_mbp | 'gief'? | 11:19 |
| Arkenoi | http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1931256/GSM-Decryption-Published lol. what a silly idiots. "and that operators, by simply modifying the existing algorithm, could thwart any unintended surveillance" - and that's just a lie. | 11:19 |
| ifreq | timeless_mbp: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gief | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | ifreq: would it hurt you so much to leave WoW outside? | 11:21 |
| villager | the result from the a-gps server is used to accelerate the internal gps lock | 11:21 |
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| Markus23 | villager: no, you get some error correction information and so on, which you normally need to receive over gps | 11:21 |
| Markus23 | villager: so its not a "calculation helper" | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | villager: you're probably thinking about (reverse) geocoding | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | in gps, since you're positioning, the trick is to figure out "which satellites are likely overhead, and approximately how should they be positioned" | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | an almanac helps with that | 11:22 |
| villager | Markus23: guess you have to go correct wikipedia then | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | as does having a good idea of where you physically are | 11:22 |
| Markus23 | villager: mmh, german wikipedia says it like I understood it | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | villager: please indicate the precise article/section | 11:23 |
| Markus23 | maybe I just explained it bad english and we misunderstand | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | german wikipedia has >1 million articles | 11:23 |
| villager | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS | 11:24 |
| * kirma wonders if GSM/3GPP has any newer encryption profiles that could be enforced on handsets that support them | 11:24 | |
| timeless_mbp | so getting someone to find the right errant article isn't necessarily simple | 11:24 |
| villager | The assistance server has a good satellite signal, and plentiful computation power, so it can compare fragmentary signals relayed to it by cell phones, with the satellite signal it receives directly, and then inform the cell phone or emergency services of the cell phone's position. | 11:24 |
| kirma | if I remember right, they have no-encryption and very weak encryption variants in addition to the "normal" level from the start | 11:24 |
| ifreq | timeless_mbp: well left it half year ago. cmon dont start to whine about one word ;) | 11:25 |
| kirma | problems with GSM encryption have been practically public knowledge for a decade at least | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | villager: my description of what agps can do seems roughly in line with what the first bulleted section lists | 11:26 |
| Arkenoi | kirma: just fuck them. SIP+SRTP is our future :-) | 11:26 |
| wazd | e63 has default sip integration btw, nice | 11:26 |
| kirma | maybe so, but unlikely to become truly widespread in five years | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | > A typical A-GPS-enabled cell phone will use a data connection (Internet or other) to contact the assistance server for A-GPS information. If it also has functioning autonomous or standalone GPS, it may use standard GPS, which is sometimes slower on Time To First Fix, but does not depend on the network, and therefore can work beyond network range and need not pay fees for data traffic.[3] Some A-GPS devices do not have the option of fal | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | back to standalone or autonomous GPS. | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | the article also clearly indicates that it does use a data connection | 11:27 |
| bleader | anybody knows if it would be doable to get sound from mic directly to headphone ? I have isolating earphones and would like to use the n900 to avoid removing them when someone talks to me at work :) | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | and please note that the n900 message about using a-gps is fairly clear (if you could call Nokia Finglish clear) about this | 11:27 |
| villager | nobody has denied the data connection | 11:27 |
| Arkenoi | kirma: at least you do not rely on the operator to provide you communications security (fuck "lawful" interception as well, too many abuses) | 11:28 |
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| kirma | assisted GPS isn't very precisely defined technology... and basic A-GPS wouldn't necessarily require bidirectional or non-broadcast communication | 11:28 |
| timeless_mbp | [9:13am] <villager> Markus23: you don't need internet connection to use the gps... A-GPS allows you to lock on faster, but you can lock on without | 11:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | villager: sorry, that sentence was ambiguous or at least misleading | 11:29 |
| villager | timeless_mbp: yes? | 11:29 |
| villager | timeless_mbp: nobody has denied that A-GPS needs internet connection | 11:29 |
| kirma | the almanac/coarse location data could be broadcast with easier-to-intercept signals than GPS/GSM, but it has turned out to be most practical solution at least for now | 11:29 |
| timeless_mbp | one reading says that A-GPS can be used without a net connection | 11:29 |
| timeless_mbp | the other says taht GPS can be used w/o a net connection | 11:29 |
| villager | timeless_mbp: I say you can use GPS without net connection | 11:29 |
| timeless_mbp | villager: i'm saying that your use of English is ambiguous and misleading | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | trust me. | 11:30 |
| villager | timeless_mbp: that's the first part of what I said... I don't see the ambiguity | 11:30 |
| Proteous | bleader: if you have the mic transfering everything going on around you out to the headphones doens't that make the noise canceling aspect of them useless? | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | villager: the second part doesn't specifically indicate that A-GPS is only w/ the data connection | 11:30 |
| Markus23 | back to lucent it seems like no one has tested gps completely without gsm | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a reading which doesn't connect it that way | 11:30 |
| Markus23 | would be interesting if it really works :-) | 11:30 |
| bleader | Proteous: the purpose is to avoid removing the headphones when someone talks to me, kind of the "push to hear" device sold by shure | 11:30 |
| Markus23 | ok lucent has tested it and claims it does not work | 11:30 |
| villager | timeless_mbp: I thought he knew that A-GPS requires internet connection, since he was talking about it | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | villager: i'm going to assert that you're Norwegian and not a native speaker | 11:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway | 11:31 |
| bleader | Proteous: so it's just temporary, not all the time :) | 11:31 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to hunt strings | 11:31 | |
| kirma | if 3GPP really wanted it, they could standardize cell broadcast of almanac/region data that would be basic infrastructure service | 11:31 |
| Proteous | bleader: I see | 11:31 |
| Proteous | bleader: "could you talk into the mic please! I don't want to take my headphones off!" | 11:31 |
| bleader | :D | 11:32 |
| Markus23 | whats the best way to make a *full* backup of n900? | 11:32 |
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| Markus23 | I thought about rsync | 11:32 |
| ifreq | thats a good thought | 11:33 |
| ifreq | dd over LAN via netcat | 11:33 |
| ifreq | *g* | 11:33 |
| Proteous | unsolder the flash chips from the board and attached it to a reader then plug that into your computer | 11:33 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah... right on it | 11:33 |
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| Markus23 | ifreq: is it possible to restore it? even the parts in the small bootup-flash | 11:33 |
| kirma | dd is fine, but restoring that backup might turn tricky | 11:33 |
| ifreq | Markus23: yeah, tho it may need some fsck | 11:34 |
| ifreq | ah yeah that too *kirma noted* | 11:34 |
| ifreq | as you usually restore it via livesystem (ie livecd) | 11:34 |
| ifreq | forgot that part :P | 11:34 |
| kirma | well, of course with file systems without snapshots, file system images may turn out to be inconsistent | 11:34 |
| kirma | and quite often they do | 11:34 |
| Markus23 | you can bootup n900 via a live-system? | 11:34 |
| ifreq | it will turn :) | 11:34 |
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| villager | timeless_mbp: if you're going to insult my english skills, then I'm going to assert that you're a nitpicker who seems to actually like writing sentences double as long as needed just to clarify information already understood by both parties of the conversation, deal? | 11:35 |
| ifreq | Markus23: heh nope . my comment was partly a joke and 100% true but not maemo related | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | deal | 11:35 |
| kirma | usb-booting of n900 is technically possible, but I don't know if it's documented :) | 11:35 |
| Markus23 | ok, so the restore will involve reflashing | 11:35 |
| Markus23 | is it possible to get a flash image of the current state, so that I can use nokias flashing tool to write it on the device again? | 11:36 |
| Markus23 | (maybe just with dd and some compressing?) | 11:36 |
| ifreq | no i doubt it. | 11:36 |
| Italodance | who's DaveP1 here? | 11:37 |
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| ifreq | id rather sync my apps and settings/contacts via network and restore from there.. but no good solution yet.. and ovi doesnt look rdy | 11:37 |
| kirma | I got the idea that nokia development devices included ethernet that is used quite a lot in internal development, and there hasn't been much of a need to support fancy stuff over other interfaces, except nokia-supplied usb firmware reflashes of course | 11:39 |
| Markus23 | ifreq: ok, I will try to do that | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | Markus23: roughly speaking... | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | with hardware which is not provided by nokia | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | it is possible to get an image of the device as is | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | however, as that hardware is not provided by nokia (or anyone else) | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it is generally considered impossible for normal end users :) | 11:40 |
| ifreq | so its not worth to mention :) | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | don't go off bricking your device | 11:40 |
| villager | apps? fortunately I only need to sync calendar and contacts over the network, and I've got that working fine | 11:40 |
| Markus23 | ok, special hardware would be overkill for my purposes anyway | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | and certainly don't use it without making proper backups | 11:40 |
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| djook | hye everybody | 11:41 |
| Markus23 | any tipps on installing rsync | 11:41 |
| kirma | initiating boot process through USB to get device in sort-of "diskless" mode would be interesting, and it's directly supported by stock OMAP3 SoC, but if that works directly with N900... oh, couldn't know. | 11:41 |
| djook | I am trying to build fennec burt always face e problem with _xpidlgen/nsIPhoneSupport.h | 11:41 |
| Markus23 | I don't want to break my device before i have done the first backup :-) | 11:41 |
| djook | any ideas ? | 11:41 |
| kirma | that way one could maybe get the device in state where one could read/reflash flashes in consistent state | 11:41 |
| Markus23 | djook: give us the compiler message | 11:41 |
| djook | its french localized | 11:42 |
| djook | make[7]: *** Pas de règle pour fabriquer la cible « _xpidlgen/nsIPhoneSupport.h », nécessaire pour « export ». Arrêt. | 11:42 |
| djook | no rules to build target ... | 11:42 |
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| djook | this file seems to not exist anywhere | 11:42 |
| djook | that's weird | 11:42 |
| Markus23 | djook: please put it on pastebin and run it with LC_ALL=C | 11:43 |
| Markus23 | or at least try to translate the french text :-) | 11:43 |
| djook | I did | 11:44 |
| djook | no rules to build target for export | 11:44 |
| ShadowJK | kirma, there seems to be code in the initscripts for booting from usb, but as n900 then didn't end up having host mode it's kinda useless.. :) | 11:45 |
| Markus23 | djook: sorry, this does not help, have no idea, maybe the real error was before | 11:46 |
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| djook | i'll try again anyway | 11:46 |
| djook | thanks | 11:46 |
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| Hexagon | is pr1.1 released yet ? :) | 11:46 |
| timeless_mbp | Hexagon: over christmas vacation | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | can you imagine a worse time to try? | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | it would have been a nice christmas present, sure | 11:47 |
| kirma | shadowjk: what I'm referring is the USB-boot support the OMAP3 manual documents - functionality directly on the SoC. I suspect the ROM part for that is overridden by Nokia though... | 11:47 |
| Hexagon | hehe sure | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | and in fact it was given out to testers in time for christmas | 11:47 |
| kirma | it's even usefully documented | 11:47 |
| Hexagon | yeah, saw that | 11:47 |
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| Hexagon | hope it's coming soon though | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | but having missed the christmas target, it's unreasonable to expect the elfs to finish it over christmas | 11:47 |
| wazd | Rain Man died :( | 11:48 |
| Hexagon | WTF | 11:48 |
| Hexagon | when? | 11:48 |
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| wazd | on 19th | 11:48 |
| Markus23 | what is the "Mac OS" folder for? | 11:48 |
| Markus23 | can I delete it? | 11:48 |
| kirma | I thought it wouldn't require host mode to work, but be rather a protocol between OMAP3 acting as device and USB host being somebody else communicating with specified protocol | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | Markus23: that's a FAQ | 11:49 |
| Markus23 | ok | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | Markus23: roughly, OS X is a Unix | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | Unixes have a tradition of hiding files/folders that start with a '.' | 11:49 |
| Hexagon | wazd: sad to hear, he was the man =) | 11:49 |
| Arkenoi | maemo5.shmuma.ru is down.. | 11:49 |
| wazd | Hexagon: I think he wasn't a man, he was beyond :) | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | For reasons which are incredibly depressing (and which you can find me explaining repeatedly in the irc logs of this channel), the main folders used by Maemo are named with dots | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | as a result, if you plug your n900 into a mac, what you would see otherwise is an empty device | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | which get info would say is wasting a lot of space | 11:50 |
| Hexagon | wazd: sure thing =) | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | the natural response to this is to 'reformat' | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | to get the missing space back | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | having done that, once you eject your n900, you'd look and see that your n900 has lost all its data | 11:51 |
| timeless_mbp | well, that'd surely suck | 11:51 |
| timeless_mbp | Markus23: make sense so far? | 11:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | OS X has a special file type called an 'alias', which enables one to manage a shortcut (e.g. to those hidden folders) even if the file system is FAT (which it is) | 11:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | the folder (misnamed, it should be Mac OS X) merely has aliases to each of the hidden folders so that a mac user can get to the data that is unfortunately hidden on the volume | 11:52 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah_: ping | 11:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you delete the folder, then the next time you insert your n900 into your friend's mac (you do have friends, right?) | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | .. you won't be able to see your data | 11:53 |
| Markus23 | mmh, but there are other unixes (not Mac OS X) too, don't they have the same problem? | 11:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | Markus23: they also have no user base | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | and their users might be more technically savy | 11:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | but yes, they're screwed too | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | tough :) | 11:54 |
| Markus23 | timeless_mbp: ok, you should add that to http://wiki.maemo.org/User_FAQ :-) | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | again, you can read an explanation of the rest of this from the irc logs | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Markus23: if it's editable, you're free to copy this version and my previous versions :) | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't play well with wikis | 11:55 |
| Markus23 | so unless no mac user plug it in, it is not needed | 11:55 |
| Markus23 | timeless_mbp: not sure if I got it 100% correct | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Markus23: roughly speaking, the folder costs a few k, maybe say 16k | 11:55 |
| Markus23 | timeless_mbp: don't care about formatting, someone else can correct it | 11:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | the penalty for deleting it is considerably higher than the value in deleting the folder | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | so everyone should leave it alone | 11:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | and yes, as noted previously, the folder should have included a friendly explanation of "why you should not delete this folder" | 11:57 |
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| kirma | wonder if anybody has tried out this stuff with N900: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/2b9e99886bb7a747 ... and http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery#USB_recovery | 11:57 |
| Markus23 | how ovten can you use flash until the battery is empty? | 11:57 |
| kirma | of course, slightly more challenging to test since one would need to continue communication over USB in practice | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | Markus23: afaik no one has measured that | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | there are variables, e.g. autofocus | 11:58 |
| dnaumov | anyone has any idea when rdesktop-gui is going to be fixed to work with servers that are run on nonstandard port? | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | geocoding enabled | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | screen brightness | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | cellular enabled | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | cellular band | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | dnaumov: did you or someone else file a bug? :) | 11:59 |
| Markus23 | timeless_mbp: I think flash needs most of battery, other variables may not be very important | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Markus23: from memory that's inaccurate :) | 11:59 |
| dnaumov | timeless_mbp: where do I check | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | dnaumov: some packages have a bug reporting header which tells you where to file bugs... | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | if it's a well maintained extras item it probably has its own bugs.maemo.org product in the Extras classification | 12:01 |
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| jkimball4 | stupid connection | 12:01 |
| dnaumov | its also a quite obvious bug, because connecting to standard port rdp server works using rdesktop-gui and rdesktop-cli can connect to both standard AND nonstandard ports | 12:01 |
| jkimball4 | Anyway does music on maemo have to go in .sounds or can it go anywhere on the fs i see when i plug it in to my computer? | 12:01 |
| dnaumov | almost as if rdesktop-gui tries to resolve hostname:port completely as a hostname | 12:01 |
| ShadowJK | it's not going to get fixed unless bugreports are filed | 12:02 |
| flux | jkimball4, you can put it anywhere, atleast anywhere under MyDocs | 12:02 |
| jkimball4 | ok | 12:03 |
| jkimball4 | thanks flux | 12:03 |
| flux | jkimball4, actually, hang on a minute, I might need to revise that :) | 12:03 |
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| flux | yeah, I've put stuff to ~user/MyDocs/Video 2 and it has worked | 12:03 |
| flux | curiously tracker.cfg says, though: WatchDirectoryRoots=$HOME/MyDocs/.sounds/;$HOME/MyDocs/.documents/;$HOME/MyDocs/.videos/;$HOME/MyDocs/.images/;$HOME/MyDocs/.camera/ | 12:04 |
| flux | so maybe those directories are better if you want it to reach immediately. maybe. | 12:04 |
| dnaumov | timeless_mbp: there is no rdesktop category on bugs.maemo.org :) | 12:04 |
| dnaumov | I guess its because its not in official extras as of now, only in extras-devel | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | dnaumov: well, then you'll have to use the meta data and contact the maintainer | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK++ | 12:05 |
| ShadowJK | I thought bug reporting contact was requirement for extras? | 12:06 |
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| dnaumov | I dug up the maintainer's address | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: dunno | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | dnaumov: check the extras builder output | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | if there's a bug reporting field, you should use it instead of directly nagging | 12:09 |
| * timeless_mbp has now missed 2-3 sessions and breakfast | 12:09 | |
| ShadowJK | http://maemo.org/packages/view/rdesktop/ | 12:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | so no bug db | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | dnaumov: while you're talking to the maintainer, ask him to add a bugdb | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | tell him that if he wants a bugs.maemo.org product, maemo.org will gladly provide it | 12:18 |
| thopiekar | how should it be written when I wan to write in a debian/control file that the package foo depends on foo-pkg1 or foo-pkg2? | 12:19 |
| thopiekar | shouldn't it be Depends: navit-opengl || navit-sdl ? | 12:19 |
| * timeless_mbp thought it was 1 pipe | 12:19 | |
| thopiekar | I mean Depends: foo-pkg1 || foo-pkg2 | 12:20 |
| thopiekar | :P | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | Depends: foo-pkg1 | foo-pkg2 | 12:20 |
| thopiekar | thanks timeless_mbp :) | 12:20 |
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| Markus23 | What is the safest way to install rsync? | 12:30 |
| Markus23 | dont want to break my device before I have done the first backup | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | Markus23: Enable extras-testing, apt-get install rsync, disable extras-testing. | 12:31 |
| Veggen | it's difficult to break a device just by installing packages like that. | 12:31 |
| Veggen | especially tbose that don't run any services on the device, etc. | 12:32 |
| Veggen | (daemons) | 12:32 |
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| X-Fade | And fwiw, I've used that one without problems. | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | rsynced away all my holiday pictures while on the road ;) | 12:32 |
| Markus23 | X-Fade: thank you! | 12:32 |
| Markus23 | but i need the gainroot too? | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | Markus23: enable extras and install rootsh | 12:33 |
| Veggen | depends what you want to rsync. | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: apt-get needs root. | 12:33 |
| Veggen | X-Fade: oh, yah. but you can add the repository and install it the normal way. | 12:35 |
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| Veggen | (the normal maemo way, that is, I often prefer apt-get myself :) | 12:35 |
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| Corsac | timeless: I'm ok not to display a 1 million char tooltips, but shouldn't the limit be raised at least? | 12:39 |
| flux | any suggestions on games two people could play over ad-hoc wlan with an n810 and an n900? | 12:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | flux: err... installing games on the n810 is like trying to cram elephants into a phone booth | 12:43 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Don't know if Wormux or any of the 2d titles have network functionality though... I've never tried | 12:44 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | but ultimately all those games are turn based to the extent that it makes using multiple handhelds redundant | 12:45 |
| ifreq | just play chess on one machine :P | 12:46 |
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| Markus23 | ok, thats really easy | 12:59 |
| Markus23 | and now there are much more apps to install :-) | 12:59 |
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| Markus23 | What is about those .install files? | 13:00 |
| Markus23 | is it possible to copy them to maemo and click on them? | 13:00 |
| ifreq | why on earth you want todo so? | 13:00 |
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| ifreq | whats wrong with appmanager and apt-get? | 13:00 |
| Markus23 | ifreq: nothing, its perfect | 13:01 |
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| Markus23 | ifreq: but to install software not in a repository which is currently added I thought there is this ".install" solution | 13:01 |
| Markus23 | is this information not correct? | 13:01 |
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| Markus23 | as I understood it, it will add a new repository and install the software | 13:02 |
| ifreq | dunno, ive added the few extra repos by hand | 13:03 |
| Markus23 | ifreq: /etc/apt/sources.list or using something graphical? | 13:03 |
| ifreq | appmanager | 13:03 |
| Markus23 | ok, yeah thats perfect then | 13:04 |
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| Markus23 | I even think that .install might be a security risk, adding repositories by hand is better | 13:05 |
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| Jaffa | Someone should publish a new version of Modest (package name 'Hubris') containing bug 3941, bug 3700 and bug 2563 patches (since the last two'll probably never make it into a proper release) | 13:09 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3941 Signature separator misses trailing space (RFC 3676 violation) | 13:09 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3700 Put signatures not on top in replies (thereby not forcing top-post) | 13:09 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 Please provide an attribution line for replying | 13:09 |
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| Markus23 | wow, installing software goes really fast | 13:10 |
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| jpe_ | can i have an nfs client on my n900? | 13:25 |
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| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, n810 does have games, it doesn't have to be fast-paced :) | 13:38 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | flux: It has games if you can fit them on it, har! | 13:39 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | What about SIMON2 :D | 13:39 |
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| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, you mean it doesn't have capacity for games? it has plenty of capacity, if you don't stick everything to /, you can put memory cards innit you know ;) | 13:40 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | flux: Too much effort :D unless you're talking ROMs | 13:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm just going to shove Mer on mine, and giggle | 13:41 |
| thopiekar | hi.. I've got the following problem w/ that debian/rules file ( http://pastebin.com/d62abc08 ) : I want to create two different versions of navit.. but at the end the folder debian/navit-opengl is empty.. what's wrong? | 13:42 |
| flux | I, personally, already have a memroy card stuck in, so not extra effort for me.. although, the apps should support it too. | 13:42 |
| flux | in any case, yoy can put an excellent game in nly one megabyte | 13:42 |
| melmoth | thopiekar: cool, you got navit running on n900 ? | 13:44 |
| thopiekar | nah.. just working on packaging it for my launchpad-repo ( http://launchpad.net ) for ubuntu.. | 13:45 |
| melmoth | thopiekar: just in case, did you try uncommenting out the dh_install thing in the binary part, orr adding one ? | 13:45 |
| thopiekar | but I will try to get it work on internet tablets and the n900, too | 13:46 |
| melmoth | i spend the other day trying to figure out how to use the binary map they use for open street map, and failed. | 13:46 |
| thopiekar | on n900's if my scratchbox target would work.. but I can't get it working somehow.. | 13:46 |
| melmoth | but it just rox how lots of open street map data can fit in such small size | 13:46 |
| melmoth | i failed at compiling it on the sdk, as well as on ubuntu | 13:47 |
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| melmoth | the only plateform it compiled was fedora12 | 13:47 |
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| thopiekar | melmoth: I thought that navit is crap like tangogps or other "useless" ( for some people it usefull, dunno why :P ) software.. | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | tangogps isn't useless | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | it supports caching | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:48 |
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| thopiekar | but this page made me thinking of packaging it -> http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ | 13:49 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: yes and that's what I really don't need :D | 13:49 |
| melmoth | well, it s obvioulsy unfinished, but still, it s really impressive | 13:49 |
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| thopiekar | ok maybe usefull for adding data to osm :) | 13:50 |
| melmoth | i once played with openstreetmap for a n810 gps application (sayhoo, in extras). | 13:50 |
| melmoth | the way i handled things made me eat 100Mb of ram to store the graph of "points" for all paris. | 13:50 |
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| melmoth | the navit guy using the same sources (open street map), make all france fit in 300Mb | 13:50 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: do you know where the problem in my debian/rules is? | 13:51 |
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| melmoth | thopiekar: did you try adding dh_install ? | 13:52 |
| thopiekar | melmoth: If I get my problem fixed I'm going to add these layouts: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD_Layouts | 13:52 |
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| thopiekar | melmoth: it seems that I commented it out.. what is it for? | 13:53 |
| thopiekar | ah ok I will check google first :D | 13:53 |
| melmoth | i m not sure, but i once had a similar issue (deb packaeg were empty) that was solved by using this dh_install thingy | 13:53 |
| melmoth | i m not that used to deb packaging, it s a bit voodoo to me, so when it works, i continue to use a trick, without understanding all of it | 13:54 |
| thopiekar | I think it happens when it comes to build the other version.. here sdl.. | 13:55 |
| thopiekar | while building the opengl version the files are there but after the sdl build they have been removed.. | 13:56 |
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| thopiekar | fixing that by creating an archive before building the sdl-version and unpacking it after the sdl version wouldn't be the way I like.. | 13:57 |
| thopiekar | :P | 13:57 |
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| RST38h | remoo. | 14:08 |
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| jkimball4 | where does media player keep its cache ? | 14:09 |
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| thopiekar | ha! one of the debhelper commands are causing my problem! | 14:10 |
| thopiekar | have done the two build manually and no file gets lost! | 14:11 |
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| coolrave_143 | is there any maemo-bangalore folks here ? | 14:17 |
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| coolrave_143 | is maemo providing some summer internship ? | 14:17 |
| harriv | http://www.nokia.com/careers/students | 14:19 |
| thopiekar | melmoth: I've fixed that.. dh_prep or dh_installdirs is the problem in install.sdl.. just testing now which one it is.. | 14:23 |
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| dnaumov | tbh, I really think that the media player needs a better looking desktop widget | 14:25 |
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| dnaumov | the current one looks rather clunky, odd and out of place compared to other widgets and icons | 14:26 |
| RST38h | dnaumov: I kinda fixed that :) | 14:29 |
| RST38h | Just need to finish the package and push it into extras | 14:29 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://forum.allnokia.ru/viewtopic.php?t=27106 they are stealing your apps! :D | 14:38 |
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| RST38h | really? | 14:39 |
| RST38h | hm | 14:39 |
| wazd | oh, that's not your | 14:40 |
| wazd | that's vba | 14:40 |
| dnaumov | RST38h: please do :) | 14:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: Speaking of that applet, if you feel like making 4 nice 48x48 icons, 3 for now-playing animation, one for paused, I would appreciate it =) | 14:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: Right now using Gnome stock icons for volume | 14:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh, ok | 14:43 |
| RST38h | there will be empty space around 48x48, so the actual icon size should be 64x64 (sorry for not mentioning it) | 14:44 |
| wazd | yesterday my blog had more visitors per day than per whole june :D | 14:44 |
| RST38h | pretty pictures! | 14:44 |
| RST38h | if you feed 'em weekly, they will just keep coming though | 14:45 |
| wazd | RST38h: yeah :) | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Then you can start selling 'em stuff! | 14:45 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 14:45 | |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: poing | 14:46 |
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| thopiekar | jeremiah_: The problem has done himself. Thanks anyway. | 14:47 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: Sure. :) | 14:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: do you have an agreement with all-nokia to not share pirated emus there? like 4pda does | 14:47 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah_: yes, think so :P | 14:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: No. I generally do not make "agreements" with pirates | 14:48 |
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| wazd | :D | 14:48 |
| wazd | http://s04.radikal.ru/i177/0912/14/3e771620cc80.png - stats | 14:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: I have traceable binaries though, so whoever leaks it loses the following updates | 14:48 |
| thopiekar | wazd: a stat of a domain or what? | 14:49 |
| wazd | thopiekar: well, that's "visitors per month" wordpress stats | 14:49 |
| thopiekar | :) | 14:50 |
| Macer | hm | 14:50 |
| Macer | i should wait until n900s get down to $500 | 14:50 |
| Macer | :) | 14:50 |
| Macer | they are already down to 570 | 14:50 |
| FIQ | uh | 14:50 |
| * FIQ can't wait that long, just until sellers got new N900s | 14:51 | |
| Macer | haha | 14:51 |
| Macer | i think amazon has a pretty big supply ;) | 14:51 |
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| Macer | newest of the new is always hype inflated.. soon enough it will drop | 14:51 |
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| jello69_ | anybody here running n900 without a sim card? | 15:01 |
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| andre__ | jello69_, not yet. but what's your question? | 15:01 |
| WM-Sef | I have a question too | 15:01 |
| thopiekar | wow :D | 15:02 |
| jello69_ | i want to ask about syslog activity | 15:02 |
| WM-Sef | look | 15:02 |
| andre__ | jello69_, then ask, please. | 15:02 |
| WM-Sef | I've download a N900 image, extracted the bin | 15:02 |
| WM-Sef | now I have rootfs.jffs2 | 15:02 |
| WM-Sef | but mounting it is like a pain | 15:02 |
| WM-Sef | read the Maemo wiki | 15:03 |
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| WM-Sef | but the automated shell script errors out: | 15:03 |
| WM-Sef | unable to read superblock | 15:03 |
| jello69_ | ok andre__ what triggers radio wake up with no sim? Dec 29 05:24:35 Nokia-N900-42-11 cellmo-watch[3108]: Link UP | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | jello69_: 112/911? | 15:04 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps: 0,122941822 , but you should really use the calculator tool next time :-P | 15:05 |
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| FIQ | it's phone numbers... | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: i like to use human computers, more kosher | 15:05 |
| Macer | in the dune universe computers were outlawed | 15:06 |
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| jello69_ | this is a fresh 42-11 install. perhaps my old acounts are still preserved | 15:07 |
| jello69_ | anyway awesome device where i can control this | 15:08 |
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| jello69_ | my smart friends will find out enough | 15:09 |
| andre__ | jello69_, "old accounts" of what exactly? | 15:09 |
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| jello69_ | skype, 3g provider were once set up | 15:13 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 15:14 |
| LuciusMare | what is the password for user? | 15:14 |
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| jello69_ | you can set it with passwd command | 15:15 |
| LuciusMare | jello69_: you can't. | 15:15 |
| LuciusMare | ~ $ passwd | 15:16 |
| LuciusMare | The password for user cannot be changed. | 15:16 |
| jello69_ | i wonder why | 15:16 |
| jello69_ | it works as root "passwd user" | 15:16 |
| jello69_ | maybe that does break something but i dont know what | 15:17 |
| andre__ | LuciusMare, what do you need the password for user for? | 15:17 |
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| ifreq | mayb its better not to treat it as full blown linux machine as that it really is not. | 15:18 |
| ifreq | lucius is adventurer :) | 15:18 |
| jello69_ | andre why would i run a device with unknown passwords | 15:18 |
| jello69_ | so you can ssh to it? | 15:18 |
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| ifreq | can you? not mine atleast | 15:19 |
| jello69_ | i can ssh to user | 15:19 |
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| Termana | SPLIT | 15:20 |
| FIQ | netsplit | 15:20 |
| jello69_ | now what is browserd doing so that n900 rebotloops without it | 15:20 |
| thresh | waits for browserd to return 0? | 15:21 |
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| RST38h | ab: moo. | 15:23 |
| mkargar | hello | 15:23 |
| ab | RST38h, beeeeh | 15:23 |
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| jayford | hello, anyone got any clue whether Maemo 5 UI is translatable? | 15:24 |
| mkargar | eaht time released maemo 6? | 15:24 |
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| mkargar | i have n900 with maemo 5!i want maemo 6 by QT4! | 15:24 |
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| LuciusMare | meh | 15:25 |
| FIQ | Netjoin | 15:25 |
| LuciusMare | spambots? | 15:25 |
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| bilboed-tp | anybody knows what would make host resolution fail within scratchbox ? | 15:26 |
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| andre__ | jayford, what do you mean by that? basically: yes. it uses po files that become mo files when compiling. | 15:27 |
| mkargar | what time released maemo 6? | 15:27 |
| andre__ | mkargar, unknown. | 15:27 |
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| mikhas | a wrong resolv.conf, most likely | 15:27 |
| bilboed-tp | mikhas, changed it to 192.168.1.1 (same as local) in vain | 15:27 |
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| jayford | andre, I'm hoping to translate Maemo 5's main UI to Hebrew. Can it be done? or are some files closed source? | 15:27 |
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| mikhas | all of them? | 15:27 |
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| bilboed-tp | mikhas, all of them ? | 15:28 |
| mikhas | there are at least 3 afaik | 15:28 |
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| mikhas | resolv.confs | 15:28 |
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| bilboed-tp | err... I only have one (/etc/resolv.conf) | 15:28 |
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| mikhas | check the whole /scratchbox folder =) | 15:28 |
| jello69_ | browserd seems to survive SIGSTOP SIGCONT gracefully! nice job again nokia! ty KISS | 15:28 |
| andre__ | jayford, uhm... I'm not sure if all translation files are available, e.g. by splitting them for closed source components into separate, open packages | 15:28 |
| mikhas | from outside sbox | 15:28 |
| andre__ | jayford, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27997 could be an interesting starting point | 15:29 |
| mikhas | logout from sbox, change resolv.confs, login to sbox | 15:29 |
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| FIQ | Uh | 15:29 |
| jayford | andre, I read that thread, all I see are plans for a project, I didn't see any actual info, and one thing that confused me was "nokia needs to provide translatable strings of all closed applications." | 15:30 |
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| jayford | I assumed Maemo was completly open sourced | 15:30 |
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| andre__ | jayford, no, never been | 15:31 |
| andre__ | see http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages | 15:31 |
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| bilboed-tp | mikhas, works, thx | 15:32 |
| LuciusMare | so,the default password for user | 15:32 |
| LuciusMare | ? | 15:32 |
| mikhas | bilboed-tp, great. | 15:33 |
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| jayford | I see andre, thanks. I still want to translate what's not closed, without waiting for translation teams to emerge. In the community thread there are only talks of translation teams. Is there a source for info on actually translating? | 15:34 |
| andre__ | LuciusMare: tried the numbers from 1 to 5? | 15:34 |
| LuciusMare | andre__: not yet | 15:34 |
| LuciusMare | doesnt work | 15:34 |
| andre__ | jayford, I have not followed that thread closely. best to ask there... | 15:35 |
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| jayford | I've asked there only that I'm not getting any replies, You say "it uses po files that become mo files when compiling." can you please elaborate? the community thread has no info. | 15:36 |
| andre__ | jayford, basically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_gettext | 15:37 |
| bilboed-tp | po files are the user readable (and therefore translatable) files. mo files are the binary files which get loaded at runtime | 15:37 |
| mikhas | let's rename the file suffixes from po to poo and mo to moo =) | 15:38 |
| bilboed-tp | gl with that | 15:38 |
| jayford | okay, thanks again, and the maemo OS has these files? Can I find them on my device? | 15:38 |
| bilboed-tp | does this ring a bell to anybody ? http://pastebin.ca/1730639 | 15:38 |
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| bilboed-tp | I'm guessing I'm missing a repo... but no idea which one | 15:39 |
| reagent | hello | 15:39 |
| mikhas | bilboed-tp, missing tools repo? | 15:39 |
| reagent | when downloading the firmware, I can choose between vanilla version, a global version and UK/US/Africa | 15:40 |
| reagent | what's the difference and how can I figure out which one is installed on my device? | 15:40 |
| jello69_ | lol, uk/us/africa - the free regions | 15:40 |
| bilboed-tp | mikhas, guess so.. no idea where they're located though | 15:40 |
| bilboed-tp | where the list of repos are located | 15:40 |
| mikhas | bilboed-tp, my sources.list: http://pastebin.ca/1730641 | 15:40 |
| reagent | jello69_: actually it's one firmware for each but you probably know that | 15:41 |
| mikhas | $TARGET: ~] > /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:41 |
| bilboed-tp | mikhas, ah right, was missing the tools | 15:41 |
| bilboed-tp | hmm.. no | 15:41 |
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| mikhas | hm, let me try | 15:41 |
| jello69_ | nice old style mikhas | 15:41 |
| mikhas | cant install neither | 15:42 |
| bilboed-tp | quality | 15:42 |
| mikhas | same message, odd. I vaguely remember sth about issues installing gst | 15:43 |
| mikhas | but not enough atm | 15:43 |
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| bilboed-tp | that's only for building the docs | 15:43 |
| bilboed-tp | which I seriously don't care about | 15:43 |
| mikhas | yeah | 15:43 |
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| TomaszD | can a community tester confirm this https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7446 | 15:47 |
| povbot` | Bug 7446: Unlocking SIM card from control panel fails | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: i saw something about that in gitorious.. | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | hang on | 15:48 |
| wazd | X-Fade: around? | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-control-panel/commits/unlock-option-visibility | 15:49 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps, good to know it's fixed | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Only for simple things, hard at work on the new server infra. | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: checking if it's that one | 15:50 |
| wazd | X-Fade: are you sure that maemo.org rating counter works well? :) | 15:50 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, if you have later software, and you probably do, please test :) | 15:51 |
| wazd | X-Fade: cause OMWeather has only 4 and 5 rates and somehow got 3.75 in total :D | 15:51 |
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| Stskeeps | TomaszD: i'll probably be hit for this but no, i don't have the new one installed yet | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: NB 143863 (look at bottom) seems like internal one of MB 7446 ? | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | wazd: yes, but there was the issue with the search bots voting because maemo select made a bad implementation. | 15:52 |
| TomaszD | yeah, noticed that | 15:52 |
| TomaszD | needs to be either fixed or the button needs to be removed from the UI altogether if it's not yet ready for prime time | 15:52 |
| wazd | X-Fade: ah, ok then :) | 15:52 |
| wazd | X-Fade: cause it looks really weirs :) | 15:53 |
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| wazd | weird* | 15:53 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, yeah. thanks | 15:55 |
| dnaumov | argh | 15:57 |
| dnaumov | "the rdesktop file releases contain documentation on the program." <= the available ommandline switches shown by simply running "rdesktop-cli" don't exactly count for "documentation" | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | --help | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:57 |
| debian-san | Anyone knows how to translate: "rate of success" or "rate of right answers" in Spanish? | 15:57 |
| dnaumov | its a bit baffling since there doesnt seem to be an obvious way to double-click on things or to right-lick or to alt-tab | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | new interaction method: right-licking | 15:59 |
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| jello69_ | good thing we dont work much in here | 16:03 |
| siriusnova | nope | 16:03 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38670 | 16:13 |
| toggles_w | what the hell is up with this??? http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/128 | 16:14 |
| toggles_w | so at 01:36:50 + he starts telling everyone maemo is dead | 16:15 |
| woglinde | lol | 16:15 |
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| m | can anyone help me? my n900 won't flash | 16:17 |
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| wazd | toggles_w: OrangeBox = Dan | 16:18 |
| guardian | can someone please remind me the name of the project that aims to get maemo 5 on a n800 | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | guardian: Mer | 16:18 |
| toggles_w | wazd: OrangeBox? | 16:18 |
| guardian | thank | 16:18 |
| guardian | s | 16:18 |
| toggles_w | as in portal and tf2 ? | 16:18 |
| wazd | toggles_w: ah, nm :D | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | toggles_w: if you aren't reading tmo you wouldn't get who that guy was | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:18 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: was? :) | 16:18 |
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| juliank | Just a N900 question: Are there already 2nd symbols on the arrow keys (like @ on the space key), or can I map them to something else? | 16:19 |
| toggles_w | Stskeeps: nah, tmo is hosted on an n770 too sloooow | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: well, is, and in my trunk, .. or something ;) | 16:19 |
| jello69_ | juliank: not on my keybd | 16:19 |
| guardian | Stskeeps: would you have a pointer on how to get flash a n800 with mer by chance? | 16:19 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: :D | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | guardian: if you rephrase that sentence a bit i might be able to asnwer | 16:19 |
| jello69_ | s/get// | 16:20 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: how tyo install Mer on n800 obviously :) | 16:20 |
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| toggles_w | wazd: site:maemo.org+orangebox "OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong Off Topic." | 16:20 |
| toggles_w | lol | 16:20 |
| guardian | Stskeeps: a pointer to a tutorial or document that lists what to download to get maemo5/mer running on a n800 and instructions (if that exists) | 16:20 |
| woglinde | jo lcuk | 16:20 |
| toggles_w | still, it's pretty crappy they send him a hacker box and this is how he repays them | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | guardian: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer but we're not ready for daily usage yet | 16:21 |
| lcuk | hiya woglinde | 16:21 |
| wazd | toggles_w: yeah, nokia know very well how to send things to wrong people :D | 16:21 |
| guardian | Stskeeps: oh ok | 16:21 |
| toggles_w | wazd: lol, so i should keep developing for it then.. | 16:21 |
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| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Do you have anything for the community repo? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: not yet | 16:22 |
| jeremiah_ | Some pacakge I might put in to test things? | 16:22 |
| jeremiah_ | okay | 16:22 |
| lcuk | a community repo? | 16:23 |
| jeremiah_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38712 | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: SSU | 16:23 |
| lcuk | i thought we had 3 of those | 16:23 |
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| wazd | okay, House.M.D. normal avi on E63 testing, act 1 | 16:23 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: The community repo is really for end-of-life SSU | 16:23 |
| * lcuk frowns @ end of life | 16:23 | |
| jeremiah_ | Do you prefer the term "dead"? | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: -ENOTIME | 16:24 |
| woglinde | lol | 16:24 |
| lcuk | lol jeremiah_ nope, "classic" is better ;) | 16:24 |
| jeremiah_ | You're a classic. | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I'll work on that stuff once we have made the server switch. | 16:24 |
| RST38h | The mummification SSU | 16:25 |
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| woglinde | jo javis | 16:25 |
| javispedro | hi wog | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | lo javispedro | 16:25 |
| juliank | jello69_: Do you have the EU QWERTY model, and did you try it or did you look at the keyboard only. I am considerung buying the QWERTY one and remapping the arrow keys + modifier to umlaute. | 16:25 |
| javispedro | morning | 16:25 |
| lcuk | hey javis | 16:25 |
| RST38h | heya javispedro | 16:25 |
| lcuk | RST38h, thats a great name for the ssu | 16:25 |
| woglinde | moo rst | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | heya woglinde | 16:26 |
| lcuk | would that make jeremiah_ mumra? | 16:26 |
| wazd | javispedro: heya | 16:26 |
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| bilboed-tp | any idea what would cause the following screwups on armel scratchbox ? http://pastebin.com/m6de44dc5 | 16:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: and name them with the names of pharaohs | 16:26 |
| jello69_ | juliank: i havent added umlauts yet. i have the UK model and keyboard with 4 arrows. i reccommend it. | 16:27 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: What is your UI stuff licensed under? | 16:27 |
| jeremiah_ | GPL v2? | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: my what now? | 16:27 |
| Guest22082 | hi! i work on a small python app for n900. how can i add a symbol to the executable to my desktop? | 16:27 |
| woglinde | bilboed -> /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user | 16:27 |
| jeremiah_ | Anyone can use those awesome graphics for Mer right? | 16:27 |
| lcuk | RST38h, theres enough of them and you can always dig up more | 16:27 |
| woglinde | bilboed try to add user messagebus with grou messagebus in scratchbox | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: usual is CC SA 3.0 i think | 16:28 |
| bilboed-tp | woglinde, the fact that it's not there is a bad sign imho :( | 16:28 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps, Thanks | 16:28 |
| juliank | jello69_: Did you order from expansys? | 16:28 |
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| wazd | well, it works on par with n800 I guess | 16:28 |
| wazd | pretty nice for a calculator) | 16:28 |
| jello69_ | juliank: i am using one of nokias devices. will buy one as soon as i save enough | 16:29 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: OK, is it a known issue? | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: and the first byte in each image is licensed "send wazd 100 bucks" | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 16:29 |
| jeremiah_ | heh | 16:29 |
| jeremiah_ | He deserves it. | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Changelog isn't used yet. | 16:29 |
| jello69_ | wazd made the mer graphics? good work. | 16:30 |
| RST38h | jeremiah; They are mockups | 16:30 |
| jeremiah_ | Don't mock me. | 16:30 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: have to do some coding before you can use them =) | 16:30 |
| jeremiah_ | SMOP | 16:30 |
| juliank | jello69_: OK. I just wanted to know whether the AC-10 charger is always an Europlug (those with 2 pins), or whether this number is used for the UK plugs (those with 3 pins) as well. | 16:31 |
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| jello69_ | i got a europlug in box | 16:32 |
| xorAxAx | is there a way to talk to the gsm chip with hayes commands? | 16:32 |
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| juliank | Anyone who bought his/her N900 at expansys and can confirm that it ships with a charger with Europlug? I believe it does, but I would like to know for sure. | 16:33 |
| Jaffa | juliank: Which Expansys site? | 16:35 |
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| juliank | Jaffa: Expansys.de in this case, although I think they all ship the same ones. | 16:35 |
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| Jaffa | juliank: Well, I suspect expansys.co.uk ships UK chargers; expansys.com ships US chargers and expansys.de ships European chargers ;-) | 16:36 |
| pingpong | Hi is somebody here who can sync his n900 with Opensync to evolution? | 16:36 |
| Corsac | for n810 I ordered a qwerty one from expansys.fr and got the UK one, with an adapter | 16:37 |
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| Corsac | by the way, is there python binding ofr eventlogger lib? | 16:38 |
| juliank | Jaffa: Yes, it seems that expansys.com (the UK site, expansys-usa.com is US) has a different N900 listed. So I guess the EU QWERTY version ships with an Europlug. | 16:38 |
| pingpong | I have opensync v0.39 running on a gentoo system - the sync just works if the contact book evolution is empty or didn'T change since the last sync | 16:38 |
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| guardian | Stskeeps: so it's done when it's done and in the meantime the best way to code for maemo 5 is scratchbox+qemu (since I can't invest in a N900 right now) ? | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Well that was bloody annoying. | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Out in freezing cold, changing brake caliper on car, wanted to take pics. | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Camera would not actually take pics until I realised it was having a hissy fit about geotagging. | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | no notice, no nothing, just no action on the shutter. | 16:46 |
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| * wazd already got everything he deserves : | 16:47 | |
| SpeedEvil | s/changing/removing/ | 16:47 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, not yet :D | 16:50 |
| * VDVsx hits wazd with a stick | 16:50 | |
| VDVsx | :D | 16:50 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: ah. now all :D | 16:50 |
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| wazd | the funny thing that tiny e63 sports huge 1500Mah battery and n900 not :) | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | The mAh is a lie! | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | In that it's as meaningful as measuring CPU speed in MHz | 16:52 |
| dnaumov | the n900 battery issues are blown out of proportion | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | dnaumov: unless you hit a pathalogical use-case | 16:53 |
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| dnaumov | for most people it is solved by letting it go down to 0 and shutdown, the charge to full and then do that once more | 16:53 |
| lcuk | im glad its only the issues that are blown out of proportion | 16:53 |
| lcuk | exploding real batteries tends to be messy | 16:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | for example xchat over 3g | 16:53 |
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| * w00t explodes lcuk out of proportion | 16:54 | |
| javispedro | xchat over 3g | 16:54 |
| bilboed-tp | does one need to specify a compiler for building within armel scratchbox ? | 16:54 |
| * lcuk disintigrates | 16:54 | |
| javispedro | deakbreajer! | 16:54 |
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| bilboed-tp | it's trying to use the i686 one here | 16:54 |
| dnaumov | people wanting to use xchat are a serious issue, I concur ;) | 16:54 |
| clmntch_ | hello | 16:54 |
| javispedro | well, it seems that either the 770 finally expired, or I have been finally banned for life from m.o :) | 16:55 |
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| lcuk | bilboed-tp, ouch | 16:56 |
| lcuk | i meant the pastebin from a minute ago, your scratchbox sounds as bad as mine | 16:56 |
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| bilboed-tp | lcuk, it's a plot to make us all switch to Android :( | 16:57 |
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| javispedro | well, try to enter sbox setup and switch toolchains | 16:57 |
| bilboed-tp | ? it doesn't have one toolchain per env ? | 16:58 |
| pupnik | can 'screen' or 'ssh' be configured to bundle packets for 3G? | 16:58 |
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| javispedro | bilboed-tp: yes, but you can change it. you could potentially edit the armel target to use the i686 compiler | 16:58 |
| lcuk | bilboed-tp, ewwww nahh its just a play to simplify everything | 16:58 |
| javispedro | so maybe your target setup has fscked itself somehow | 16:58 |
| aquatix | pupnik: ssh's compression maybe? | 16:58 |
| lcuk | as for your sb, did you upgrade your target partially | 16:58 |
| lcuk | it has diff toolchain per target | 16:58 |
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| bilboed-tp | if I type cc ... it does use the sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-cc | 17:00 |
| javispedro | type cc -v | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: where xchat is of course irc really | 17:01 |
| bilboed-tp | aaah, no | 17:01 |
| bilboed-tp | http://pastebin.com/m774bbab3 | 17:01 |
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| bilboed-tp | why would it need libgcc ?? | 17:02 |
| javispedro | bilboed-tp: but does your compiler work? or it's just that configure script failing? | 17:03 |
| bilboed-tp | (and why isn't installed for that matter) :( | 17:03 |
| lcuk | screwed up target! | 17:03 |
| * lcuk did same with a distupgrade on scratchbox :S | 17:03 | |
| bilboed-tp | lcuk, how did you fix it ? | 17:03 |
| lcuk | nuked it from orbit and started again | 17:03 |
| bilboed-tp | GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH | 17:04 |
| lcuk | you can rebuild target | 17:04 |
| lcuk | i think | 17:04 |
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| lcuk | but i cant remember hte list of items | 17:04 |
| * javispedro ponders upgrading to squeeze | 17:04 | |
| lcuk | and im not at home so cant dig them out | 17:04 |
| bilboed-tp | this is bs | 17:04 |
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| lcuk | is your sb in a VM? | 17:04 |
| bilboed-tp | no | 17:04 |
| lcuk | mine neither, but i can see point in using one | 17:04 |
| bilboed-tp | yah, it's so full of shit you need an extra layer of crap to make it work | 17:05 |
| lcuk | and then if it screws up just restore quickly | 17:05 |
| bilboed-tp | $#@*( | 17:05 |
| * lcuk nods heartily | 17:05 | |
| lcuk | its ^&*%^&$%$% indeed | 17:05 |
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| cityLights | hi all, where can I get avahi for maemo 5? | 17:06 |
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| pupnik | hi, i didn't google yet | 17:09 |
| pupnik | in the repositories, cityLights | 17:10 |
| cityLights | apt-cache search doesnt find any avahi | 17:10 |
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| pupnik | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=where+can+I+get+avahi+for+maemo+5 | 17:12 |
| pupnik | pool/fremantle/free/a/avahi/ | 17:12 |
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| pupnik | cityLights: i also sometimes have to use google to find packages | 17:14 |
| cityLights | I did and didnt find it sorry | 17:14 |
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| pupnik | np | 17:14 |
| pupnik | fremantle is a good keyword to add | 17:14 |
| cityLights | what should i do with "pool/fremantle/free/a/avahi/" | 17:17 |
| cityLights | ? | 17:17 |
| cityLights | sorry | 17:17 |
| cityLights | add it to /etc/apt/sources ? | 17:17 |
| Corsac | does someone has an example csv PC-Suite file? | 17:18 |
| Corsac | for sms | 17:18 |
| ali1234 | pupnik: about SDL audio, did you try SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa AUDIODEV=plughw: | 17:19 |
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| pupnik | those are needed for sdl-alsa to talk to hw | 17:22 |
| pupnik | AUDIODEV='hw:0' | 17:22 |
| pupnik | except i used that | 17:22 |
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| ali1234 | ah, so AUDIODEV did make pasuspender work? | 17:22 |
| ali1234 | (with SDL imean) | 17:22 |
| javispedro | does the maemo libsdl have alsa support in the first place? | 17:22 |
| pupnik | yes | 17:22 |
| cityLights | pupnik: where should I add this line? | 17:23 |
| pupnik | 'work' sort of. it starts with buffer underrun and continues with XRUN until another process starts pasuspender | 17:23 |
| pupnik | then it runs about 8-12 seconds without underrun | 17:23 |
| pupnik | so somehow it is possible to get it into a 'good state' | 17:23 |
| pupnik | mplayer and aplay work without problems direct to alsa hw | 17:24 |
| cityLights | also , can xrandr make the display sow a mirror image | 17:24 |
| ali1234 | pasuspender works well with e-uae | 17:24 |
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| cityLights | this is in order to watch the pda while driving | 17:24 |
| ali1234 | except that the hardware sound is at 0 volume | 17:24 |
| ali1234 | i have to turn it up with alsamixer | 17:24 |
| pupnik | see /usr/include/SDL/SDL_config.h for maemo #defines | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | cityLights: you want to look at it in the mirror? | 17:25 |
| cityLights | in reflaction from the windshield | 17:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hmm. I have doubts that'll be functional | 17:25 |
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| cityLights | like a cockpit display | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | unless at night | 17:25 |
| cityLights | gps | 17:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean not functional as in not visible | 17:26 |
| javispedro | pupnik: --disable-video-x11-vm --disable-nasm --disable-oss --enable-alsa --disable-arts --disable-nas --disable-diskaudio --disable-mintaudio --disable-esd --disable-video-fbcon --enable-pulseaudio | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Is tere a way to get garage to give me a simple list of all projects in a textual format over one page? | 17:26 |
| cityLights | do I need to add "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/a/avahi/ fremantle free" ? | 17:27 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, there probably is, whether or not it requires a large donation to X-Fade to find the url or not is another matter lol | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm trying to make some stubs for n900 hardware pages, and linking to apps using. | 17:29 |
| pupnik | that looks close to what configure gets in dosbox by default | 17:29 |
| javispedro | those are libsdl confflags used | 17:29 |
| javispedro | (answering myself hehe) | 17:30 |
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| jpe_ | phone app, recent calls, i select a recent call, but i want to send a SMS, how do i do that ? | 17:31 |
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| pupnik_ | javispedro: i can pass those to ./configure but do you know where to set those in debian/? | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | jpe_: click and hold on the number? | 17:32 |
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| pupnik_ | looking at debian/rules and i don't see the configure options | 17:32 |
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| javispedro | pupnik_: on sdl look for confopts | 17:32 |
| jpe_ | SpeedEvil: doesn't work for me | 17:32 |
| javispedro | but which ones you want to change? | 17:32 |
| pupnik_ | oh i see it in rules >_< | 17:33 |
| pupnik_ | i never tried disabling those video options | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | jpe_: just a gues | 17:33 |
| pupnik_ | it builds with alsa support by default, btw | 17:33 |
| javispedro | yeah yeah, I was wrong, sorry. | 17:34 |
| cityLights | SpeedEvil: does xrandr offer such an option? | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 17:34 |
| pupnik_ | but i like that stuff. i added it to debian/rules | 17:34 |
| jpe_ | speedevil: you're right, you have to hold it, gives a popup (open contact or delete contact), if yoy choose open, then yoy can send an SMS, should be easierin my opinion | 17:35 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's suported in the drivers is a seperate question. | 17:35 |
| pupnik_ | with a $CONFOPTS variable | 17:35 |
| SpeedEvil | jpe_: yeah | 17:35 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: it's already there on libsdl! I was just checking them. | 17:35 |
| pupnik_ | oh thanks | 17:35 |
| cityLights | SpeedEvil: where to find this option? | 17:35 |
| cityLights | I searched google | 17:35 |
| javispedro | i think i'm going to start patching it to see if it helps with my flickering | 17:35 |
| pupnik_ | i thought you were showing new flags for dbox | 17:35 |
| cityLights | with mirror and xrandr , didnt find it | 17:35 |
| SpeedEvil | cityLights: man xrandr | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | or xrandr --help | 17:36 |
| cityLights | this option would be very helpfull while driving in night with gps | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Have you actually tried to see if it's actually visible and not hopelessly blurred? | 17:36 |
| ali1234 | cityLights: option is called reflect, not mirror | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | You get reflections from both sides of the screen | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | the windscreen | 17:37 |
| cityLights | thanks ali1234 | 17:37 |
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| cityLights | apt-cache search randr and there is no xrandr | 17:41 |
| cityLights | how can I run the randr command to do reflection? | 17:41 |
| ali1234 | you can't | 17:42 |
| ali1234 | xorg omapfb probably doesn't support it anyway | 17:42 |
| cityLights | too bad | 17:42 |
| cityLights | it is usefull | 17:43 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: this is curious... http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/libs/libsdl1.3/ | 17:43 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: not curious | 17:43 |
| pupnik_ | what source should i get to see the libsdl we use? | 17:43 |
| javispedro | a port was started a few months ago | 17:43 |
| javispedro | apt-get source libsdl1.2 | 17:44 |
| bigbrovar | is anyone using the radio application on the N900. I cant get it to play sound for a long period, after like 5 mins the sound ceases, and I would have to restart it to get sound back.. surely something is not right, or is it just me? | 17:44 |
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| pupnik_ | i cannot apt-get source. i need to dl packages | 17:44 |
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| javispedro | nokia protected repo | 17:44 |
| pupnik_ | ah ty | 17:44 |
| javispedro | or so I think | 17:44 |
| pupnik_ | makes sense | 17:45 |
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| javispedro | pupnik_: discard that :), found it | 17:45 |
| javispedro | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/libs/libsdl1.2/ | 17:45 |
| javispedro | I think I should request a garage page for the sdl 1.3 | 17:46 |
| pupnik_ | you're a bit faster than me thanks | 17:46 |
| javispedro | though I don't like the fact that to enable gl es support you have to enable "pandora" driver ;) | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: I think you should make a case for an upgrade of the lib. | 17:46 |
| javispedro | and it also assumes gl es 1.1 | 17:46 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: did you manage to build it ok? or are there caveats? | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Aim to have it upgraded in some release. | 17:47 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: I believe Nokia will never use any sdl again. | 17:47 |
| javispedro | (though this is just a belief) | 17:47 |
| woglinde | there is no need for sdl | 17:47 |
| javispedro | In any case, I prefer to have a "community" sdl where fixes come faster | 17:47 |
| pupnik_ | this is part of the mission of maemo tablets, some degree of backwards linux headache support | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: That can be, I don't know. | 17:47 |
| javispedro | and we can try more experimental features without fear breacking the builtin games. | 17:48 |
| javispedro | where's my spell checker? | 17:48 |
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| javispedro | aha, here it is :) | 17:48 |
| pupnik_ | or just statically link your tweaks | 17:48 |
| pupnik_ | 'just' - i haven't tried yet | 17:49 |
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| javispedro | pupnik_: to build it you need to edit debian/control and remove build-dep on libgl-dev | 17:49 |
| javispedro | just building it now... | 17:49 |
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| javispedro | also, 1.2 and 1.3 are different enough they can coexist | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: stupid question, when you run xegltest, are you root or user? | 17:52 |
| javispedro | root | 17:52 |
| * wazd wonders where to buy invisible shield kit in Moscow | 17:52 | |
| VDVsx | ahhh..sigh, the writter was angry, forgot to give spaces ;) : http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1368607 | 17:52 |
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| javispedro | hehe | 17:53 |
| * ifreq just got hdmi switcher..cables ready to hook up my wd hd tv live | 17:54 | |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: also removing libaudiofile-dev from control... | 17:55 |
| javispedro | I think the libaudiofile-dev dep is needed. | 17:55 |
| javispedro | better install it | 17:55 |
| javispedro | (I might be wrong, of course) | 17:55 |
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| pupnik_ | i assumed it was a diskwriter plugin. maybe you're right | 17:56 |
| BluesLee | Hello | 17:56 |
| BluesLee | Pidgin works well | 17:57 |
| javispedro | dunno! | 17:57 |
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| pupnik_ | my quilt is totally broken | 18:00 |
| pupnik_ | second build always breaks | 18:00 |
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| javispedro | weird | 18:00 |
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| pupnik_ | this is all breaking stuff because maemo vmware sdk can not access internet | 18:01 |
| javispedro | I'd get a real debian vm | 18:01 |
| * javispedro is lucky. the only problem he had with scratchbox was vdso and that's because he didn't want to use the official fix :) | 18:02 | |
| pupnik_ | ah yes the vdso bug | 18:02 |
| wazd | wazd@ovi is busy | 18:02 |
| wazd | wtf | 18:02 |
| pupnik_ | woglinde: but there is no stopping, because http://pupnik.de/zwecklos.jpg | 18:02 |
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| ali1234 | hmm pasuspender only works one time | 18:07 |
| javispedro | I think | 18:07 |
| javispedro | you'd need to concretate your efforts on getting the autosuspender module working | 18:07 |
| javispedro | s/concretate/concentrate | 18:08 |
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| pupnik_ | there is also pactl | 18:11 |
| pupnik_ | with many interesting features | 18:11 |
| javispedro | and you can also get to the pa cmd line | 18:11 |
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| moek | hi all | 18:11 |
| javispedro | ... though not by using the unix socket. | 18:11 |
| pupnik_ | trying a wild guess to fix SDL_alsa_audio.c | 18:11 |
| moek | anyone here play with the wimax on n810 we | 18:12 |
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| moek | or with the network stack in general... | 18:15 |
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| pupnik_ | javispedro: did you have a language= set in dosbox.conf to get that keyb rover.sys working? | 18:16 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: default config | 18:16 |
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| javispedro | it's not working for you ? :P | 18:17 |
| pupnik_ | not for me or another tester | 18:17 |
| javispedro | hm. | 18:17 |
| javispedro | any error message? how are you loading it? | 18:17 |
| pupnik_ | searching for my post | 18:18 |
| javispedro | ah, sorry | 18:18 |
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| javispedro | pupnik_: you have to use "keyb rover.sys us" | 18:19 |
| javispedro | support for auto layout is incomplete :) So you have to specify "us" manually. | 18:20 |
| pupnik_ | that works! | 18:20 |
| javispedro | you can also use "keyb rover.sys us auto 858" to get the euro symbol | 18:20 |
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| javispedro | the syntax of "my" keyb is | 18:20 |
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| javispedro | keyb <layout file> <layout identifier> <codepage file> <codepage> | 18:21 |
| javispedro | where any field can be replaced by auto or none | 18:21 |
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| fiferboy | joppu: I'm sending the new package now :) | 18:21 |
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| pupnik_ | ah that gives me the perfectly normal broken dosbox keyboard. the spanish ones must be even worse | 18:21 |
| javispedro | uh? | 18:22 |
| pupnik_ | shift + "." = > | 18:22 |
| pupnik_ | and not : | 18:22 |
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| pupnik_ | but i understand why it is not easy to fix, javispedro | 18:23 |
| pupnik_ | dosbox wants to emulate a real keyboard | 18:23 |
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| pupnik_ | so it thinks only in PC-keys pressed. And those have internal mappings. | 18:24 |
| pupnik_ | but the keyb command could be the solution perhaps | 18:24 |
| pupnik_ | did you generate rover.sys? perhaps there is a mapper program for DOS | 18:25 |
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| pupnik_ | all i need to do is type " | 18:26 |
| pupnik_ | pasuspender ls (or any other command) | 18:27 |
| pupnik_ | and sound gets fixed | 18:27 |
| pupnik_ | my sdl patch didn't work btw | 18:27 |
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| pupnik_ | you can totally hear differences in frequency of misaligned writes if you renice 20 or -20 the dosbox process btw | 18:28 |
| pupnik_ | maybe it is another process periotically tapping pulseaudio | 18:29 |
| wazd | damn, ovi suite can't update maps via bt | 18:29 |
| wazd | stoopid app | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | comments on newspaper articles are causing me to lose faith in humanity | 18:30 |
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| pupnik_ | pactl list shows all the sinks suspended by pasuspender | 18:31 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: dude, you have to thank god that you can't read comments from one of russian's social networks | 18:32 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: that's where humanity ends :) | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you should see the danish ones.. i really feel embarassed | 18:32 |
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| javispedro | any other broken key? tbh I've not tested the layout extensively :D | 18:33 |
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| javispedro | I seem to be triggering another bug somewhere with the ; key, so you'll have to wait. | 18:33 |
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| javispedro | ah, freenode. | 18:33 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: the missing ; and : are from a bug in my keyb code, but rest of keys should work. | 18:33 |
| pupnik_ | oh javispedro no hurry. if we can really remap whatever we want, then keyb is the answer | 18:34 |
| pupnik_ | nice nice nice | 18:34 |
| javispedro | feel free to report any other nonworking key :) | 18:34 |
| pupnik_ | numbers | 18:34 |
| fiferboy | joppu: ping? | 18:34 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: remove your mapper.txt :) | 18:34 |
| joppu | fiferboy: pong | 18:34 |
| javispedro | well, have to go now. see you! | 18:35 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: you think it's a worldwide problem? | 18:35 |
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| fiferboy | joppu: Don't use the package I sent you - the selection problem is back | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i think we should worry more about global increase of stupidity than global warming, sometimes. | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:35 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: :D | 18:35 |
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| fiferboy | joppu: It looks like you have to give the theme name a capital letter in theme maker to get around the selection letter :| | 18:37 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: "There are two problems in Russia - fools and roads. And though one problem can easily be solved with asphalt and spade, the road problem is much harder to solve" | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hah | 18:37 |
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| pupnik_ | (i wasn't loading mapper.txt) | 18:40 |
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| LuciusMare | ohai | 18:50 |
| LuciusMare | can the wifi-card on n900 be set to the whore-mode? | 18:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes, it supports facebook. | 18:51 |
| LuciusMare | heh | 18:51 |
| LuciusMare | i dont know how its called | 18:51 |
| LuciusMare | monitor mode,or something | 18:51 |
| LuciusMare | it just catches all the packets | 18:51 |
| LuciusMare | there is something connected on my router and i want to know what | 18:52 |
| LuciusMare | (no,the router does not have any monitoring setting) | 18:52 |
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| Trizt | Is there any working alpha installer of rdesktop for maemo? | 18:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | turn on wpa2 with a long password | 18:53 |
| LuciusMare | i can't | 18:53 |
| LuciusMare | i have a very obsolete client over there,which can do only not-encrypted networks, so i am solving it through ssh tunnel | 18:54 |
| Trizt | found the dl link. | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know if tcpdump will work | 18:55 |
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| LuciusMare | SpeedEvil: i guess it will,if i will set the card to the monitor/whore mode | 18:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | tcpdump is in one of hte repos | 18:58 |
| LuciusMare | yes | 19:00 |
| LuciusMare | it is | 19:00 |
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| LuciusMare | but it wont work,until the card will catch even the packets that are not the card | 19:02 |
| LuciusMare | *that are not for the card | 19:02 |
| LuciusMare | which is called monitor,commonly whore mode. | 19:02 |
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| moek | promiscous mode? | 19:03 |
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| LuciusMare | maybe | 19:03 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 19:03 |
| LuciusMare | "tcpdump wlan0" does not work | 19:03 |
| LuciusMare | though it listens at wmaster,which works | 19:04 |
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| LuciusMare | but i cant see anything but the things i send | 19:04 |
| LuciusMare | :( | 19:04 |
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| Guest34938 | hi everybody | 19:23 |
| Guest34938 | how i can backup my n810 | 19:23 |
| pupnik_ | you can not backup a physical object | 19:24 |
| wazd | Guest34938: it has built in tool | 19:24 |
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| pupnik_ | that will back up certain user preferences and folders | 19:24 |
| Guest34938 | yes but if i want to create a image from my nokia | 19:25 |
| Guest34938 | for example i install some app and have my own alias | 19:25 |
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| Guest34938 | and when i create a backup with the tool | 19:25 |
| wazd | Guest34938: you can mirror os to your SD card | 19:25 |
| Guest34938 | how i can do that | 19:26 |
| wazd | Guest34938: : http://tablethacker.com/wp/?p=12 | 19:27 |
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| pupnik_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=442596&postcount=6 i found an interesting difference between mplayer and SDL alsa output! | 19:28 |
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| Guest34938 | so if i follow this steps i can use a sd as my main disk to install and expand the storage and enjoy all the aplication without worried full the main memory | 19:30 |
| GAN900 | Ah, gotta love the irrational, jealous revisionist idiots. | 19:30 |
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| GAN900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=444237#post444237 | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh. | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | http://web.mit.edu/tbaran/www/autotalent.html | 19:33 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders how that can be stuck in the outbound voice path. | 19:33 | |
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| wazd | SpeedEvil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBb4cjjj1gI | 19:36 |
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| pupnik_ | That is a real winner GAN900 | 19:38 |
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| mikhas | lol, what a flawed perception | 19:40 |
| mikhas | "Most of them did not report any problem with the device until it was time for them to return it" | 19:40 |
| pupnik_ | SpeedEvil: any nice candidates for simple trackers / softsynths for tablets? | 19:41 |
| mikhas | 1. they did not report enough bugs!!!, 2. they did report too many bugs, causing the delay!!! | 19:41 |
| mikhas | nice one | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: alas no | 19:41 |
| pupnik_ | that was my conclusion also :) | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: came across a reference to that in another channel. Not very into audio processing in that sense. | 19:42 |
| pupnik_ | i've found that you are a good person for such random questions though :) | 19:42 |
| Trizt | anyone can tell where to bug report things that are part of the n900 maemo? | 19:42 |
| pupnik_ | http://bugs.maemo.org need to create an account | 19:43 |
| pupnik_ | some of the coolest sounds i've heard from an open-source app have been from taosynth - a physical modeling synthesizer | 19:44 |
| Trizt | I wish there could been one universal nokia/maemo login | 19:44 |
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| pupnik_ | Think of it as an entrance examination to attain status of 'bug reporter' | 19:45 |
| Trizt | I got quite mad with OVI, you need to have quite many logins, feels all to many logins to "keep" track of, by the way is it the same login to bugs as to the maemo dev account? think I had a such | 19:47 |
| Trizt | apparently not | 19:48 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik_, indeed | 19:54 |
| VDVsx | Trizt, make sure your search for the bug before report it, in order to avoid duplicates | 19:54 |
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| kevloral | hi all | 19:56 |
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| Trizt | VDVsx; it's not my first time to report something and I doubt that people have thought about the signature marker | 19:59 |
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| Jaffa | Trizt: There are a few bugs about Modest's sig sep handling | 20:07 |
| Jaffa | Trizt: If that's what you're referring to, one or more of bug 3941, bug 3700 and bug 2563 may be relevant (OTTOMH) | 20:10 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3941 Signature separator misses trailing space (RFC 3676 violation) | 20:10 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3700 Put signatures not on top in replies (thereby not forcing top-post) | 20:10 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 Please provide an attribution line for replying | 20:10 |
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| caotic | I just ordered my n900. Life is good | 20:15 |
| ifreq | we salute you | 20:15 |
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| caotic | when it arrives, life will be great. What delicious shallowness | 20:15 |
| ifreq | yes, just keep it cool now man. youve got long PATH ahead | 20:16 |
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| caotic | ifreq: export $PATH ? | 20:19 |
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| ifreq | mayb mayb.. | 20:20 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | China wins, we're all DOOMED | 20:21 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 20:24 |
| ifreq | hey LuciusMare | 20:25 |
| LuciusMare | what is the name of the web browser in fremantle? | 20:25 |
| ifreq | please share us with your infinite amount of questions :) | 20:25 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | MicroB | 20:25 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | LuciusMare: | 20:25 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 20:26 |
| LuciusMare | :/ | 20:26 |
| pupnik_ | microb | 20:26 |
| LuciusMare | ~sh: microb: not found | 20:26 |
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| pupnik_ | that's not how you invoke it | 20:27 |
| pupnik_ | you asked for the name | 20:28 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | .... | 20:28 |
| * Gadgetoid_mbp facepalms | 20:28 | |
| LuciusMare | hey | 20:28 |
| pupnik_ | i don't know how to start browser from command-line. perhaps a ps a shows | 20:29 |
| LuciusMare | not my fault,every sane developer names the binary file same as the app itself | 20:29 |
| pupnik_ | oh look, many processes | 20:29 |
| LuciusMare | huh | 20:29 |
| LuciusMare | "browser" | 20:29 |
| LuciusMare | >_< | 20:29 |
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| LuciusMare | hm,it doesn't seem to run | 20:30 |
| LuciusMare | though i found "browserd" running and command browser exists | 20:30 |
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| pupnik_ | LuciusMare: this might help maybe... http://maemo.org/packages/view/browser-switchboard/ | 20:33 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Dare I even ask why you're trying to start the browser from the command line? | 20:33 |
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| kevloral | LuciusMare: have a look at this thread: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=38273 | 20:44 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | wtf is aggravated burglary!? | 20:46 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Browser switchboard would be kinda shiny if Tear wasn't still rough around the edges | 20:48 |
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| LuciusMare | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process | 20:52 |
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| LuciusMare | how to get what process is using it? | 20:52 |
| pupnik_ | probably the application manager | 20:53 |
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| bleader | lsof | 20:53 |
| pupnik_ | hannes__: from sidux? | 20:54 |
| LuciusMare | huh | 20:54 |
| LuciusMare | # ls /var/lock/ | 20:55 |
| LuciusMare | as-daemon.pid maesync_ui.lock | 20:55 |
| LuciusMare | browser_extensions.stamp | 20:55 |
| LuciusMare | it does not seem to be locked | 20:55 |
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| pupnik_ | ps -a |grep application-manager | 20:56 |
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| LuciusMare | no appmanager running | 20:57 |
| LuciusMare | if it didnt hang,ofc | 20:57 |
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| LuciusMare | nope,no apmanager | 21:02 |
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| konttori | Gadgetoid_mbp: also, it would make a lot of sense to move tear to use qt 4.6. | 21:03 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Tear is going to have to do a lot more than that to make me bothered enough to move from MicroB | 21:04 |
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| LuciusMare | okay,so i have it installed. | 21:06 |
| LuciusMare | if it didnt hang,ofc | 21:06 |
| LuciusMare | omg | 21:06 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Flash support is my main want- getting things like ZeroPunctuation episodes running smoothly | 21:06 |
| LuciusMare | i mistyped . - i pressed uparrow | 21:07 |
| LuciusMare | it didnt appear in the menu,where can i set it? | 21:07 |
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| user_ | hah put n900 in zipbag, chat from bathtub | 21:13 |
| mece | heh.. good idea. | 21:14 |
| LuciusMare | lol | 21:14 |
| LuciusMare | check it out,i am chattng from ba...bzzzt | 21:15 |
| angasule | I've heard of people doing the same with ebook readers | 21:15 |
| jaem | LuciusMare, I'd really like to see a device that can type "bzzzt" when it has a major fault from water damage :P | 21:15 |
| angasule | doesn't work so well with the dead tree version | 21:15 |
| jaem | interesting from an engineering perspective :) | 21:16 |
| angasule | jaem: maybe the device was dictating | 21:16 |
| LuciusMare | jaem: heh,that was not supposed to be irc chat log | 21:16 |
| LuciusMare | it was supposed to be a irl convo | 21:16 |
| user_ | jaem hairdryer | 21:16 |
| jaem | angasule, I'd like to see a transcription program that does onomatopoeia | 21:16 |
| angasule | jaem: aw, come on, monty python! | 21:17 |
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| jaem | LuciusMare, tip - meatspace doesn't come with a keyboard | 21:17 |
| LuciusMare | monty.py ? | 21:17 |
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| jaem | LuciusMare, yes! | 21:17 |
| LuciusMare | lol | 21:17 |
| jaem | well, for most people | 21:17 |
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| LuciusMare | ~ $: python monty.py | 21:18 |
| LuciusMare | "Nobody ever expects spanish!" | 21:18 |
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| user_ | anyone of you got the emacs 23 working with the maximize fix | 21:19 |
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| angasule | jaem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEcvSq4SDkc&feature=PlayList&p=B3224F11B24EC2E9&index=16 -- enlighten thyself :D | 21:20 |
| jaem | angasule, I'll bookmark it... my sound is shot | 21:21 |
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| jaem | I'm using my spare box while my mobo's in for service, and I hadn't realized the sound didn't work | 21:21 |
| jaem | also, as my friend found out, using (someone else's) CD drive on a bed is not a good idea | 21:21 |
| jaem | the CD is now somewhere it should not be | 21:22 |
| jaem | >_< | 21:22 |
| angasule | jaem: bummer | 21:22 |
| angasule | jaem: watch it on your Nxx0? :D | 21:22 |
| jaem | angasule, I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but I might later | 21:23 |
| jaem | is it part of the Quest for the Holy Grail? | 21:23 |
| angasule | yes :) | 21:23 |
| jaem | ah, yes then | 21:23 |
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| jaem | I'm a bit frustrated... I was trying to fiddle with my bluetooth bracelet, to see if I could modify it to make the phone side of things less of a kludge | 21:24 |
| jaem | but the company is evil | 21:24 |
| jaem | even after signing an NDA, I can't get the datasheet, reference manual, or anything | 21:24 |
| jaem | the software is $3000 with no student discount | 21:24 |
| angasule | bluetooth bracelet? | 21:24 |
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| jaem | yeah, one sec | 21:25 |
| angasule | so, you signed the NDA and you got a T-shirt saying "I signed an NDA and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"? :) | 21:25 |
| jaem | and their site wouldn't even tell me which model I had, because my uni e-mail address wasn't on their whitelist | 21:25 |
| jaem | seriously | 21:25 |
| jaem | not even that | 21:25 |
| jaem | angasule, LOL - yes, pretty much | 21:25 |
| jaem | also, the code runs virtualized anyway, so what I could do would be limited | 21:26 |
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| jaem | oh, and the ToS disallows modifying their firmware with anything other than their $3000 software | 21:26 |
| angasule | what ToS? | 21:26 |
| jaem | angasule, link: http://hackaday.com/2009/12/18/bluetooth-bracelet-hacked/ | 21:27 |
| jaem | the company is called CSR | 21:27 |
| angasule | devices can't have ToS... | 21:27 |
| jaem | they make the Bluetooth chipset | 21:27 |
| jaem | and it's the ToS for their website | 21:27 |
| jaem | if I could get a dump, I'd be fine | 21:27 |
| Xisdibik | bluetooth bracelet? | 21:27 |
| jaem | but anything I got from their website (which I can't, because it's "privileged" information, apparently), has that restriction | 21:27 |
| jaem | Xisdibik, see link | 21:27 |
| angasule | well, if you don't use their website (which seems to be useless), you can toss the ToS :P | 21:28 |
| jaem | essentially, the company has a policy of "if you don't pay us lots of money, then you can just suffer" | 21:28 |
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| jaem | angasule, sounds good, but to reverse engineer it would take far too much time to be practical, even if I knew how to use the equipment necessary | 21:29 |
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| Xisdibik | jaem, looks more like Bluetooth Handcuffs, | 21:29 |
| jaem | I don't have the (custom) programming language docs, the IC specs, or even the pinout | 21:29 |
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| jaem | reversing it could probably be done, but at that point you might as well just buy a better device or build your own | 21:30 |
| jaem | Xisdibik, yes, but shiny handcuffs :) | 21:30 |
| jaem | also, the strap is rubbery | 21:30 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: do you in fact know it's the flash version? | 21:30 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, yes, that much is apparent | 21:31 |
| jaem | I found the part number in an academic paper (otherwise I wouldn't have know :/) | 21:31 |
| jaem | also, it has an 8Mb flash onboard | 21:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | jaem: I have noticed that some miscreant have put the software on various p2p networks... | 21:31 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, it even breaks out the SPI bus | 21:31 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, :O Oh, what a terrible person! | 21:31 |
| jaem | ;) | 21:32 |
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| jaem | SpeedEvil, unfortunately, they have enough information on me to find me easily, and probably enough to know that I haven't purchased their software | 21:34 |
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| RST38h | Nokia has upped the ante in its patent-infringement battle against Apple by extending its accusations to cover "virtually all of [Apple's] mobile phones, portable music players, and computers," | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | csr have some very cool stuff. | 21:36 |
| dmj7261 | the joy of patent flinging | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I utterly don't understand why I can buy CSR chips easily, but not how to program them. | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Broken. | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Where CSR can be replaced by about 14 vendors from freescale to TI to ... | 21:37 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, it's like they don't like people using their products, or something... | 21:38 |
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| jaem | many companies accommodate students with a cheaper software license, or maybe even samples or dev board discounts, but they could at *least* give you the pinouts, and other basic info like that | 21:39 |
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| jaem | that just blows my mind | 21:39 |
| jeremiah | They want to protect their partner's business model | 21:39 |
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| jaem | I quite literally cannot even look up my chip's model number past the series without being a big customer | 21:40 |
| jeremiah | If you knew how to program FPGAs, you'd write awesome software and give it away or sell it | 21:40 |
| jaem | jeremiah, their parters being who? | 21:40 |
| jeremiah | And their partners will scream bloody murder. | 21:40 |
| jeremiah | ISVs | 21:40 |
| jaem | jeremiah, ah, but this is a BT chip | 21:40 |
| jaem | all you can run on it is a custom ASM-like language, sandboxed | 21:40 |
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| * jaem just wants a wrist-mounted display, but this isn't really meant for what he wants | 21:42 | |
| jaem | I can display text, but it's clumsy | 21:42 |
| jaem | and non-standards-compliant | 21:42 |
| jaem | and hard on battery | 21:42 |
| jaem | sigh | 21:42 |
| jaem | if I had the cash, I'd just build my own | 21:43 |
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| jaem | anyhow, I should go get up, so I'll be back shortly | 21:43 |
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| shinkamui | well, I can only find reference to my problem in 1 forum entry | 21:45 |
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| shinkamui | and there is no response | 21:45 |
| shinkamui | everyone else with an N900 has their micro SDHC cards working fine? | 21:46 |
| user_ | grr xchat isnt stabe | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | shinkamui: have you tried another brand? | 21:46 |
| jaem | shinkamui, which brand are you using? | 21:46 |
| pupnik_ | shinkamui: mine works fine | 21:46 |
| shinkamui | no, I only have 2 sandisk cards | 21:46 |
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| shinkamui | pupnik: what is the device it uses | 21:46 |
| shinkamui | pupnik; /dev/? | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | mmcblkNpN | 21:47 |
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| shinkamui | yea, I only have mmcblk0 | 21:48 |
| shinkamui | and variants | 21:48 |
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| shinkamui | no mmcblk1 | 21:48 |
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| shinkamui | which I assumed woudl be the SD card port | 21:48 |
| pupnik_ | /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir) | 21:48 |
| pupnik_ | needs a partituon number? | 21:49 |
| shinkamui | fook, im fooked man | 21:49 |
| shinkamui | wouldn't that mean the kernel isn't seeing the drive itself? | 21:49 |
| shinkamui | or would it hotplug and load the driver automatically | 21:49 |
| shinkamui | if the card were detected | 21:49 |
| shinkamui | irony, i found that I have a 3rd micro card | 21:50 |
| shinkamui | 2gig but its also sandisk | 21:50 |
| shinkamui | here goes nothing... | 21:50 |
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| aboudreault | Hi | 21:52 |
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| b-man17 | hello, aboudreault | 21:53 |
| aboudreault | I thought maemo was made with QT, but I see a lot of examples using gtk.. | 21:53 |
| Sir_Lancelot | You gotta give time to time | 21:53 |
| b-man17 | mm, maemo 6 willl use qt though | 21:53 |
| Sir_Lancelot | Ehhehehe | 21:53 |
| Sir_Lancelot | When will maemo6 come out? | 21:53 |
| shinkamui | no go | 21:54 |
| shinkamui | god damn, this is frustrating | 21:54 |
| b-man17 | my guess is sometime next year or 2011 | 21:54 |
| shinkamui | and I dont want to buy ANOTHER microsdhc card of another brand only to discover its not the cards | 21:54 |
| jaem | shinkamui, I've had good luck with Kingston/Patriot | 21:55 |
| jaem | although if you can afford them, I'd recommend OCZ | 21:55 |
| shinkamui | damn it | 21:55 |
| jaem | their microSD cards are a bit pricey for me, but their flash drives are second to none | 21:55 |
| jaem | shinkamui, :( | 21:55 |
| jaem | borrow one from a friend? | 21:55 |
| aboudreault | I guess we can code any application in QT anyway ? I do not want to code in gtk :P | 21:55 |
| shinkamui | im just bummed, I have 3 stupid cards | 21:55 |
| shinkamui | and none work | 21:56 |
| Sir_Lancelot | Any news about a good facebook app for n900? | 21:56 |
| shinkamui | I guess it can't hurt to buy another one | 21:56 |
| jaem | shinkamui, or just make some excuse to return one you bought at Futureshop or similar? | 21:56 |
| jaem | it's not like they actually know what they're doing | 21:56 |
| jaem | heh | 21:56 |
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| b-man17 | aboudreault, yup | 21:56 |
| jaem | shinkamui, also, have you made sure that the cards work in other devices? | 21:56 |
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| * konttori just posted a blog about baby steps with qml - http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/12/qml-hello-world-or-calculate-world.html | 22:00 | |
| konttori | includes video! | 22:00 |
| RST38h | OMG Qt invents JavaScript! =) | 22:01 |
| shinkamui | jaem: yes | 22:04 |
| shinkamui | I formatted them in my pc | 22:05 |
| shinkamui | and the 2gig I just found came out of a digital photo frame | 22:05 |
| shinkamui | they are all fat32 | 22:05 |
| shinkamui | 4k blocks | 22:05 |
| jaem | shinkamui, huh... odd | 22:05 |
| jaem | very odd | 22:05 |
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| jaem | you said it doesn't even show the device node? | 22:05 |
| jaem | from my blog: "It's like CSR doesn't want people to use their products or something. Since that seems to be the case, I'll be sure to oblige them whenever possible once I graduate from Engineering." | 22:06 |
| shinkamui | yea | 22:06 |
| shinkamui | its not | 22:06 |
| jaem | shinkamui, :/ | 22:06 |
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| shinkamui | ls /dev | grep mmc only shows the 4 mmc0 nodes | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | need some help :/ | 22:07 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, shoot | 22:07 |
| konttori | RST38h: stop being cynical. The declarative part is where the beauty is. Javascript if just additional niceness | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | My filesystem went corrupt, I fixed it using fsck but now the device doesn't vibrate :/ | 22:07 |
| jaem | shinkamui, and you tried rebooting? (Not that you should have to) | 22:07 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, which filesystem? root? | 22:07 |
| shinkamui | yes, a number of times jaem | 22:07 |
| jaem | or a card | 22:07 |
| jaem | shinkamui, very strange | 22:08 |
| jaem | hrm | 22:08 |
| shinkamui | I can try buying a non sandisk card | 22:08 |
| jaem | not sure what to say | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | nah /home/MyDocs | 22:08 |
| jaem | yeah, maybe, but you shouldn't have to | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | err /home/user/MyDocs* | 22:08 |
| shinkamui | but this is looney tunes | 22:08 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, there shouldn't be anything in ~/MyDocs that can affect that | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | I know, I didn't change anything with the device too | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | should I be worried? | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | (which I am actually) | 22:09 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, naw, just go write a troll post on tmo yelling about how fsck bricked your device ;) | 22:09 |
| jaem | oh | 22:09 |
| jaem | sorry | 22:09 |
| jaem | I should take this seriously | 22:09 |
| jaem | hrm | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:09 |
| jaem | just to humor me, do you mind checking your vibra settings? | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | the vibrator makes a sound | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | but it's not strong | 22:09 |
| jaem | hrmmmm | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | and calling the device makes a sound | 22:10 |
| jaem | is it constant and weak, or does it feel different as well? | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | motor problem? :/ | 22:10 |
| shinkamui | jaem: not that I think they will help, but I sent nokia US an email | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | it makes a mosquito (the ringtone one) sound | 22:10 |
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| jaem | MohammadAG, could be... although usually vibra motors are mounted pretty well even in the cheap devices I've used, so a connection problem seems a bit unlikely on the N900 | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | jaem, it worked yesterday | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | and it worked just before I fixed it | 22:11 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, maybe call support? From my experience, they have people who actually know the hardware on-hand | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, especially when you live in jerusalem and it's imported :/ | 22:12 |
| jaem | they might be able to help you, but just make it clear that you know what you're talking about, so they don't give you the Joe User spiel | 22:12 |
| jaem | ahh, yeah, that'd be an issue | 22:12 |
| jaem | hrm | 22:12 |
| jaem | shinkamui, wouldn't bugs.maemo.org be more appropriate? | 22:12 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, I'd say to leave it for a day or two, and maybe try shaking or lightly bumping the device to see if that changes anything | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | done the latter :p | 22:13 |
| jaem | and no change? | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | not really | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | reinstalling firmware | 22:13 |
| * jaem nods | 22:13 | |
| MohammadAG | it might be something I installed from extras-devel and the | 22:14 |
| jaem | if that fails, maybe get a friend in NA or somewhere to call in for you | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | and I thought it was because of the fix | 22:14 |
| jaem | they were uncommonly informative about a previous problem after I mentioned I was an engineering student :P | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | I installed make, would that be a problem? | 22:14 |
| jaem | that's the first company who answered a "I know this isn't covered, but..." question | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:15 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, yes, it is. You just destroyed your --- no, just kidding | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:15 |
| jaem | some stuff in the sdk repo might cause software issues | 22:15 |
| jaem | hmm... let me check something | 22:15 |
| * MohammadAG types in dpkg -r make :p | 22:16 | |
| MohammadAG | oh one more thing, extras-devel wasn't working for me today | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | Hash entry not in the release file | 22:17 |
| jaem | what does mce mean when it says "acting dead"? | 22:17 |
| jaem | oops | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | it's undead? :) | 22:17 |
| * jaem grabs a shotgun | 22:17 | |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:17 |
| jaem | -9 shotgun of process killing | 22:18 |
| jaem | -snerk- | 22:18 |
| jaem | if you catch my drift | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | killall mce | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | that should do it | 22:18 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, well, it might make it *stop* vibrating | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:19 |
| jaem | I just checked if mce supported PWM or other power control for vibra, and it doesn't seem to | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | mce? | 22:19 |
| jaem | so if it's a software problem, it doesn't look to be something that's exposed to third-party code | 22:19 |
| jaem | Mode Controller Entity | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 22:19 |
| jaem | the thing that makes you phone go ding, buzz, flash | 22:19 |
| jaem | essentially | 22:19 |
| jaem | your* | 22:19 |
| jaem | it does more than that, but if you're interested, you can change the LED and vibra patterns to anything you want in /etc/mce/mce.ini | 22:20 |
| jaem | actually, it's more like buzz and flash | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | I think I need to fix my SD slot :x | 22:20 |
| jaem | ding is handled by something else | 22:20 |
| shinkamui | jaem: Ill post there too, good idea | 22:20 |
| jaem | luke-jr, use a blowtorch and sledgehammer | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | jaem, did/do you have an N97? | 22:21 |
| luke-jr | jaem: -.- | 22:21 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, no... we were going to get them for our project, but I convince my prof to go with N900s instead | 22:21 |
| jaem | he does have one himself, though, so I've briefly played with it | 22:21 |
| jaem | why? | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | good for you then, but the N97 used to make the same sound when the battery was low | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | (the N900's battery isn't low btw) | 22:21 |
| jaem | lol | 22:22 |
| jaem | fail | 22:22 |
| b-man17 | jaem, HAHAHAH FAGGOT >:) | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | and it wasn't just my phone | 22:22 |
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| jaem | b-man17, >_< | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | oh andd the lower the battery, the more fainter it becomes | 22:22 |
| jaem | ahem | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | then it just disappear | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | s | 22:22 |
| jaem | haha | 22:22 |
| jaem | b-man17, poor phrasing | 22:22 |
| b-man17 | woops!!!!!!!! | 22:22 |
| b-man17 | sorrry :( | 22:22 |
| b-man17 | i have a bot script D: | 22:23 |
| jaem | lol | 22:23 |
| * b-man17 turns it off | 22:23 | |
| * jaem slaps b-man17 with a trout | 22:23 | |
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| b-man17 | LOL | 22:23 |
| b-man17 | sorry xD | 22:23 |
| jaem | I really think trout-slapping should be an extension to IRC | 22:23 |
| jaem | with real trout | 22:23 |
| b-man17 | lol | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | jaem, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrewnzQYrPI, 15khz part, that's my N900 now :p | 22:24 |
| jaem | of course, then people with fancy routers could be jerks | 22:24 |
| * b-man17 forgot to remove that bot script from ~/.xchat xD | 22:24 | |
| jaem | MohammadAG, no sound :( | 22:24 |
| jaem | b-man17, I thought you were just interpreting what I said in a context other than what I meant >_< | 22:25 |
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| b-man17 | lol | 22:25 |
| matt__ | please help | 22:25 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, we used to test our hearing range with a lab-bench function generator | 22:25 |
| * jaem helps matt__ | 22:25 | |
| jaem | oh, you meant with something specific? | 22:25 |
| jaem | :P | 22:25 |
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| MohammadAG | actually 12 lol | 22:26 |
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| b-man17 | btw @ everyone: IF I SAY ANYTHING UNUSUAL - IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE I FORGOT TO DISABLE MY IRC BOT xD | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | b-man17: irc bots are for silly kids | 22:26 |
| matt__ | i've just downloaded new fiasco image for linux as my n900 is bricked but when i use terminal to flash it tells me there is no file or directory????? | 22:26 |
| matt__ | where do i put the file | 22:26 |
| jaem | matt__, did you read the wiki? | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | same directory as the flasher | 22:27 |
| matt__ | yes read the lot | 22:27 |
| b-man17 | Stskeeps: i was testing it for a friend xD | 22:27 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, kind of silly... "ultrasonic" ringtones >_< | 22:27 |
| jaem | I doubt most phones' speakers go into the ultrasound range | 22:27 |
| matt__ | wheres the flasher kept | 22:27 |
| jaem | matt__, oh, that's what you meant | 22:27 |
| jaem | you're using the Linux terminal flasher? | 22:27 |
| matt__ | yep | 22:27 |
| matt__ | im a windows user normally | 22:27 |
| jaem | well, then cd to where the flasher binary was downloaded to, and run it from there | 22:27 |
| jaem | ah | 22:27 |
| matt__ | don't like to sound like a dunce but que? | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | jaem, true, and ultrasonic can't be heard by anyone | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | but you get my point don't you? | 22:28 |
| jaem | matt__, use the cd command to go into the directory where you downloaded the flasher program | 22:28 |
| jaem | it works like DOS' cd, more or less | 22:29 |
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| jaem | MohammadAG, yeah | 22:29 |
| jaem | or I would if I had working audio on this junker | 22:29 |
| jaem | matt__, e.g. cd /path/to/folder | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | you can also use tab to autocomplete matt__ | 22:29 |
| jaem | if you downloaded it in Firefox, it will probably be somewhere like /home/username/Downloads | 22:29 |
| jaem | or Desktop | 22:29 |
| jaem | depending on your distro | 22:29 |
| jaem | once you're in the right directory, then run it like this: | 22:30 |
| jaem | ./flasherprogram -switches filename | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | 30MBs left | 22:30 |
| jaem | or whatever the syntax is | 22:30 |
| matt__ | whats the desktops path | 22:30 |
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| jaem | matt__, /home/yourusername/Desktop | 22:30 |
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| jaem | matt__, if the location is not in PATH, then you have to qualify the path to the program when you run it | 22:31 |
| red | how can i connect my N900 onto wlan and be able to manually enter a LAN ip like 192.168.1.4? now when i try to connect it errors on wifi not having dhcp and disconnectas me. | 22:31 |
| jaem | . means current directory | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | linux is case sensitive, so it's Desktop not desktop | 22:31 |
| jaem | so ./program means "the program named 'program' in the current directory" | 22:31 |
| jaem | red, are you asking how to set up static IPs, or saying that doing so doesn't work? | 22:31 |
| red | id like some help how its done :) | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | what's the site that sells Nokia parts and is based in finland? | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | I always forget its name | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | fcl.fi or something like that | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | kcl* | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | it starts with a k | 22:32 |
| red | kfc? | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | klc.fi | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:33 |
| red | ah nvm that isnt anything prolly | 22:33 |
| matt__ | its still pissing about | 22:34 |
| matt__ | the flasher it finds but not the firmware | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | matt__, is the fw in the same directory? | 22:34 |
| jaem | matt__, you need to provide a qualified path to that too | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | ^ | 22:34 |
| jaem | so either a full path, or a relative path | 22:34 |
| jaem | as with the program | 22:34 |
| matt__ | ????? why is this not explained on the wiki page | 22:35 |
| shinkamui | damn it | 22:35 |
| shinkamui | ok, I have no choice | 22:35 |
| shinkamui | im gonna go buy a cheap non sandisk micro card | 22:35 |
| jaem | matt__, it's assumed that if you're using Linux, you would know this | 22:35 |
| shinkamui | from target or radio smack | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | matt__, basic linux | 22:35 |
| jaem | admittedly a GUI flasher would be nice | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | jaem, there's NSU for that | 22:35 |
| jaem | but honestly, it is fairly basic Linux knowledge | 22:36 |
| shinkamui | jaem: Im considering reflashing if this doesn'wok | 22:36 |
| matt__ | nsu is what bricked my phone | 22:36 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, for Linux, I meant | 22:36 |
| shinkamui | are stock images available? | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | lol <matt__> nsu is what bricked my phone | 22:36 |
| jaem | matt__, I'm not criticizing you, but just explaining the rationale | 22:36 |
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| RST38h | Transparent Goldfish Developed By Japanese To Reduce Unnecessary Dissections | 22:36 |
| jaem | RST38h, bwahahaha | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | update failed :/ | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | Service layer stopped | 22:37 |
| jaem | red, Settings -> Networks -> Connections | 22:37 |
| jaem | then click edit and go to the advanced settings | 22:37 |
| jaem | I think you can do it on first connect as well | 22:37 |
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| red | doh, didnt think to check there | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | does NSU support flashing mode? | 22:38 |
| red | thought i need to use x term | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | the U key then usb cable one | 22:38 |
| shinkamui | jaem | 22:38 |
| shinkamui | im might be on to something | 22:38 |
| jaem | shinkamui, oh? | 22:38 |
| shinkamui | I just went into the kernel logs | 22:38 |
| shinkamui | mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible | 22:39 |
| jaem | shinkamui, aha! | 22:39 |
| shinkamui | !!! | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | NSU birkced hte device | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 22:39 |
| jaem | did you lock down the card properly? | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | the* | 22:39 |
| shinkamui | i thought so | 22:39 |
| shinkamui | but let me dbl check | 22:39 |
| jaem | shinkamui, the N810 had a magnetic switch for the SD cover - not sure how it's done on the N900 | 22:39 |
| * RST38h sighs | 22:39 | |
| dnaumov | hmm, 26 hours into using my N900, I've just had my first complete crash/lockup (only had the browser and calendar crash on me before, once each) | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | jaem, piece of metal | 22:39 |
| jaem | in any case, I have to run, but PM me if you find anything interesting, or else it will get lost in the scrollback | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | found that about 20 minutes ago | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | I thought the microSDHC slot got fried or something | 22:40 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, yes, but I meant how it detects whether it's been closed properly | 22:40 |
| jaem | bye | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | magnet? | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | kinda like the N97's camera | 22:40 |
| ShadowJK | it probably uses magnet to detect back cover presence | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 22:40 |
| jaem | ShadowJK, I'm pretty sure I've run my device without the back cover | 22:40 |
| jaem | although I'm not certain if I had a card loaded at the time | 22:40 |
| ShadowJK | it will run, but the microsd wont be accessible | 22:41 |
| jaem | ShadowJK, O RLY? | 22:41 |
| jaem | huh | 22:41 |
| jaem | good to know | 22:41 |
| jaem | cheers | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | jaem, it runs | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, said it | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | again I didn't find the microSD in the file manager | 22:41 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: What is that story with a new repo??? | 22:41 |
| ShadowJK | When you remove the back cover, the microsd card will disappear from file manager etc | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | thought it got fried, got another one and it didn't work | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, I learned that the hard way | 22:41 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Community SSU finally becoming a reality? | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | n900 stopped at the 4th bubble at startup | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | ty NSU | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | actually fu* | 22:43 |
| shinkamui | jaem: crap, its definately locked | 22:43 |
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| shinkamui | at least I have something more to go by | 22:43 |
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| matt__ | still buggered, could anyone tell me if i downloaded the flasher and installed it where it would be? | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: just step 1 | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it is all technically possible though | 22:44 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: hopefully... | 22:45 |
| RST38h | <nature calls> | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: and ssu for n8x0, not n900 | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | but the exersise is good anyway :P | 22:45 |
| melmoth | hmmm ? | 22:46 |
| melmoth | Stskeeps: do you mean n900 owner will have to reflash the device when the next update is available ? | 22:46 |
| phreck | no. | 22:46 |
| melmoth | ah, ok. cool :) | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | wtf is wrong with NSU! | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | He means that the *community* SSU is for N8x0, not n900 | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's having a organisation that creates a SSU for diablo, which in due time can be used when nokia gives up on N900 | 22:46 |
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| red | can i connect n900 into wifi without it disconnecting the 3G connection automatically? | 22:47 |
| matt__ | mohammesAG do you know where the flasher is kept (path)???? | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | showing community is structured enough to help out in that regard or help in a ssu like process :P | 22:47 |
| red | would use wifi in lan mode for fast file transfer via scp, while retaining phones connection | 22:48 |
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| matt__ | can anyone tell me the file path of maemo flasher once installed??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | flasher-3.5? | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | and cut down on the ?'s, they cause global warming | 22:50 |
| matt__ | before i hurt myself | 22:50 |
| matt__ | yep | 22:50 |
| matt__ | w? | 22:51 |
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| matt__ | any ideas? | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | "installed", if you're using windows, I thought there was this dog called rover that you can ask to go find files and folders | 22:51 |
| matt__ | linux dude | 22:51 |
| matt__ | ubuntustudio | 22:52 |
| Ceron | http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/184444003 :DDD | 22:52 |
| Ceron | http://news.deviantart.com/article/103685 100 left! | 22:52 |
| ShadowJK | i thought it was just a download of the binary.. :/ | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | matt__: did you download the deb? | 22:53 |
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| jeremiah | RST38h: Yeah, I hope so. :) | 22:53 |
| matt__ | yep deb | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | did you install the deb? | 22:53 |
| matt__ | ok here goes what do i type in the terminal if the fw files are on the desktop | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 22:54 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | states this quite directly | 22:54 |
| red | argh | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | but answer my question first | 22:54 |
| red | my x terms pg up and down are broken | 22:54 |
| matt__ | yes installed the deb | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | doubleclicked it, installed, etc? | 22:54 |
| red | anyone know the correct key name when fiddling around with gconf? | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | then sudo flasher-3.5 should do the trick | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | where do i get the fiasco images from | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | tablets-dev.nokia.com | 22:55 |
| matt__ | infobot i have done exactly whats said on the tin according to the wiki page | 22:55 |
| infobot | You have done exactly whats said on the tin according to the wiki page? | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | anyone volunteering for a #maemo-help or #maemo-newbies? :P | 22:55 |
| woglinde | stskeep nope | 22:56 |
| matt__ | everything to do with linux n that page has been tried to no avail | 22:56 |
| shinkamui | does anyone know where the magnet is supposed to be for detecting if the lid is closed? | 22:56 |
| shinkamui | it would seem im missing mine | 22:56 |
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| Stskeeps | matt__: what does sudo flasher-3.5 say? | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | after typing in your user password if it asks | 22:57 |
| matt__ | can't find the directory??? | 22:57 |
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| backd00r | . | 22:58 |
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| Stskeeps | matt__: 'sudo flasher-3.5' in terminal says what. | 22:58 |
| matt__ | that it can't find the directory | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | write me the exact error message, please | 22:59 |
| matt__ | hold on | 22:59 |
| felipec | does anybody knows how long does it take to get permissions for maemo-extras? | 23:00 |
| woglinde | felipec hm | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | felipec: it's usually a time dependent on when X-Fade processes the queue | 23:00 |
| woglinde | shouldnt last that long | 23:00 |
| woglinde | ~seen x-fade | 23:00 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 18h 38m 23s). Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 5h 13m 8s, last said: 'javispedro: That can be, I don't know.'. | 23:00 |
| matt__ | it says there is no such file or directory even though its on my desktop | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | matt__, did you type it with tab? | 23:01 |
| matt__ | no | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | like RX *press tab* | 23:02 |
| felipec | woglinde: days? | 23:02 |
| red | editing the keys in xterm, where could i find which key is labeled what? like Escape is Escape, a is a,but what are Page Up and Page Down? | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | then do it, it's much easier | 23:02 |
| matt__ | whats RX? | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | matt__: ok, this means that you did not install the deb. | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | the start of the filename matt__ | 23:02 |
| woglinde | felipec hm no | 23:02 |
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| woglinde | seems x-fade is not on the road these days | 23:02 |
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| MohammadAG | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin for me | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | I would type RX- then tab | 23:02 |
| woglinde | felipec what you are trying to upload? | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | if it completes it, the file's there | 23:03 |
| woglinde | felipec maybee I can do it for you | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | if not, the directory is wrongf | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | -f | 23:03 |
| matt__ | the deb is definitely installed | 23:03 |
| phreck | man this battery meter makes me lol. | 23:03 |
| red | guess ill go by trial and error | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK | I think he isn't getting as far as executing the binary | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | matt__: dpkg -S flasher-3.5 | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | if this doesn't show anything, it's definately not installed :P | 23:03 |
| red | incase someone knows throw me a query, cant scroll up atm | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | matt__, it's not the deb file causing the problem right? | 23:04 |
| matt__ | don't think so | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | i.e ./flasher-3.5 works | 23:04 |
| matt__ | yep it works | 23:04 |
| matt__ | i think | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | o.o | 23:04 |
| felipec | woglinde: telepathy-msn-pecan | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | if ./flasher-3.5 works, you didn't download the deb file. | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | type ./flasher-3.5 | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | what do you get | 23:04 |
| felipec | (new package) | 23:05 |
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| matt__ | im using sudo flash cmd | 23:05 |
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| LoGiKZ1 | Hello | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | umm, is there even a sudo flash cmd? | 23:06 |
| woglinde | felipc I think x-fade will do it tomorrow | 23:06 |
| phreck | sup | 23:06 |
| matt__ | Note: If you installed from the .deb package, the command will omit the './' (sudo flasher-3.5 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R). | 23:06 |
| matt__ | thats from the wiki page | 23:07 |
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| shinkamui | does anyone see on the back of their device some sort of metal or magnet | 23:07 |
| shinkamui | I can't find anything on mine, I think this is why it never thinks the back is on | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | So, what's the output of 'dpkg -S flasher-3.5' | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | shinkamui: not actually sure if it uses a magnet, though I'm guessing it would for the camera cover? | 23:08 |
| shinkamui | the camera definately does | 23:08 |
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| shinkamui | I can see the metal lead | 23:08 |
| shinkamui | but Im unable to find anything the N900 would use to detect the back cover missing or not | 23:08 |
| shinkamui | this is why I can't use my mmc | 23:08 |
| shinkamui | err SDHC | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | matt__, where is the file you downloaded located? | 23:09 |
| matt__ | i typed sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_COMBINED_ARM.bin ENTER | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | are you in the file directory? | 23:09 |
| matt__ | mohammed i haven't a clue looked all over the shop | 23:09 |
| shinkamui | anyone mind taking a picture of the inside of their back cover and posting it | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | matt__ | 23:09 |
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| shinkamui | thats gonna be my best bet | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | where did you save the .bin file? | 23:10 |
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| MohammadAG | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_COMBINED_ARM.bin this one matt__ , where did you save it | 23:10 |
| matt__ | the firmware? | 23:10 |
| jebba | so .desktop files live in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ But on "many" systems, you can do a ~/.local/share/applications or similar for user .desktop files. Is there anything similar in maemo? | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | yes, the image to be more precise | 23:10 |
| matt__ | well it was initially in downloads, now tis on the desktop | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | and what's your username in linux? | 23:11 |
| Dantonic | hey are there any advantages to ogg vs mp3? | 23:11 |
| matt__ | matt | 23:11 |
| woglinde | Dantonic for what? | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | case sensitive matt? | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | i.e it's not Matt right? | 23:11 |
| matt__ | just matt | 23:11 |
| Dantonic | I dont know anything about ogg... just wondering | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | k | 23:11 |
| Dantonic | woglinde, | 23:11 |
| Dantonic | for music I guess | 23:12 |
| Dantonic | :P | 23:12 |
| Dantonic | quality | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | sudo flasher-3.5 -F /home/matt/Desktop/RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_COMBINED_ARM.bin -f -R | 23:12 |
| woglinde | ogg is patent free | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | type it like that | 23:12 |
| melmoth | main avantage of ogg vs mp3 is you dont have to bother with legal issue when distributing ogg file | 23:12 |
| woglinde | quality is bit better | 23:12 |
| red | and it packs better vs same bitrate | 23:12 |
| matt__ | mohammed if this works youre a star | 23:12 |
| melmoth | distributing and chaarging for mp3 file may require to pay a fee to whoever own the format (thompson ?) | 23:12 |
| woglinde | btw. ogg is the container format | 23:13 |
| Dantonic | vorbis right? | 23:13 |
| Dantonic | the codec | 23:13 |
| * MohammadAG thinks it's not going to work then :p | 23:13 | |
| woglinde | right | 23:13 |
| red | vorbis is the | 23:13 |
| red | ye | 23:13 |
| woglinde | vorbis is audio | 23:13 |
| woglinde | theorea video | 23:13 |
| woglinde | args | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | matt__, I'm flashing mine in the next 5 minutes | 23:13 |
| woglinde | theora | 23:13 |
| Dantonic | all right, thanks | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | did you see apple patented gloves with holes in the finger end? | 23:14 |
| matt__ | didn't work same error msg 'no such file or directory | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 23:14 |
| dmj7261 | Hobos have prior art. | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | matt__, type cd | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | just cd | 23:14 |
| matt__ | done | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | dmj7261: but they can't afford court | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | move the .bin file to your home directory | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | so they don't count | 23:15 |
| matt__ | done | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | good, now type ls | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | what does it output? | 23:15 |
| dmj7261 | what about the millionaire hobos? | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | MohammedAG: now is it flasher saying file not found, sudo saying file not found, or bash saying sudo isn't found ;) | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | dmj7261: they moved to bahamas | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG | good point lol | 23:16 |
| matt__ | type the same as b4 in terminal | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG | matt__, copy the error from terminal using ctrl shift c | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | exactly as it appears | 23:17 |
| matt__ | No such file or directory | 23:17 |
| tigert | hmm | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | with the line before it | 23:17 |
| tigert | maemo-geolocation stopped working for me | 23:17 |
| * tigert wonders what the problem is | 23:17 | |
| MohammadAG | copy the line before it | 23:17 |
| matt__ | for some reason when pasted in here and then entered it doesn't show? | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | matt__, pastebin.com then | 23:20 |
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| red | matt__: dot before slash | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | oh I see the problem now | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | thanks for pointing it out red | 23:21 |
| matt__ | i didn't | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | he can double slash it too | 23:22 |
| matt__ | it did it 4 me | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | matt__, binary images downloaded here, I'll go into linux now | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | brb | 23:22 |
| matt__ | k | 23:22 |
| red | MohammadAG: im not sure if you were being sarcastic withe me or not :) | 23:23 |
| matt__ | i wasn't | 23:23 |
| matt__ | promise | 23:23 |
| matt__ | i need all the help i can get | 23:23 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | olá Logikz | 23:25 |
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| tigert | google.com/maps/m | 23:26 |
| tigert | ok sleep | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | matt__, | 23:28 |
| matt__ | yo | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | when you type sudo flasher-3.5 | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | what does it say | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | copy the first line | 23:29 |
| matt__ | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | ok, so the deb is installed | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | go to home | 23:29 |
| matt__ | then the cmd options | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | go to /home (in an explorer) | 23:30 |
| matt__ | there | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | copy the file to a new folder | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | name the folder anything without spaces | 23:30 |
| matt__ | done | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | good, now cd to that directory in terminal | 23:31 |
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| matt__ | how again? | 23:31 |
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| matt__ | im not a linux user | 23:31 |
| matt__ | normally | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | cd /home/matt/<dir you created> | 23:31 |
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| matt__ | ok done..... now in terminal matt@ubuntu:~/maemo$ | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | kk type ls | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | that's an L and an S | 23:33 |
| blizzow1 | Is there a "best" ssh client for Maemo 5? I'd prefer something that can create a tunnel where I could use an rdesktop client through the tunnel. | 23:33 |
| matt__ | shows the file in new folder | 23:33 |
| matt__ | the fw file | 23:33 |
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| MohammadAG_ | mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~/maemo$ ls | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | sth like that right? | 23:34 |
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| ali1234 | blizzow1: afaik there's only openssh and dropbear and they can both do that... but i only tried openssh | 23:34 |
| matt__ | command not found how can this be | 23:34 |
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| blizzow1 | well openssh it is. Can/Should I get it via Ovi, or maemo.org? | 23:35 |
| blizzow1 | or some other method/site? | 23:35 |
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| ShadowJK | enable extras in application manager's menu->catalogs | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | matt__, sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | copy it as it is | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | wait | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | copy it modifying the filename | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | I don't know what your file is called | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~/maemo$ sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | SW version in image: RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_002 | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | it worked for me | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | and I did it as you did | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | copied to maemo folder etc.. | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | wow, that went ffast | 23:37 |
| Hexagoon | Announcement: despotify package for fremantle is in extras-devel (latest svn - highly unstable) | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | fast* | 23:37 |
| Hexagoon | no cred to me, another guy at maemosweden fixed it | 23:37 |
| Hexagoon | im releasing qtify gui soon | 23:37 |
| matt__ | mohammed you've cracked it i owe you a pint | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol I don't drink :P | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | now I need help myself | 23:38 |
| matt__ | A thousand thank yous then! | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | a thousand nps back :) | 23:38 |
| matt__ | nps? | 23:39 |
| matt__ | no problems? | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | no problem-s | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | :) | 23:39 |
| matt__ | aye | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | vibration not working :/ | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | flashed it and it's still not working :( | 23:39 |
| blizzow1 | ShadowJK: Thanks. | 23:40 |
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| matt__ | still won't flash | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | what's the problem? | 23:42 |
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| matt__ | held the u down when plugging in yet terminal says Suitable USB device not found, waiting. and the phone keeps beeping | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | turn off the device | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | shit I used ctrl c while flashing | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | flasher killed in the middle of the process lol | 23:43 |
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| matt__ | thats seems to be a prob too | 23:44 |
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| matt__ | can only turn it off proper by taking out battery | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | yes, same here | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | when it's bricked that's how you do it :) | 23:45 |
| matt__ | so you reckon mine's just fucked? | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | no, I had to take out the battery too | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | take the battery out | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | insert it, hold u, keep holding it and insert he USB | 23:46 |
| matt__ | yeah then what | 23:46 |
| matt__ | by the way with the battery out my orange/yellow light came on | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | erm | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | with the battery OUT?! | 23:47 |
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| matt__ | yeah | 23:48 |
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| Xisdibik | What GAN is over 9000! | 23:49 |
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| MohammadAG_ | it shouldn't have power with the battery out matt__ | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG_ | was the USB cable plugged in? | 23:49 |
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| matt__ | i think it was cuz the usb was still in | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | don't do it again | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | it might kill the device for good | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | now pull the battery, and the usb cable b4 it | 23:50 |
| matt__ | but tried again battery out then back in holdin u then connecting usb yet the phone screen doesn't show usb symbol | 23:51 |
| matt__ | but the light comes on | 23:51 |
| matt__ | then off | 23:52 |
| VDVsx | lol,..a news about a American couple that got lost during three days because of a bad GPS system, look at the picture that the newspapers used : http://www.ionline.pt/conteudo/39690-perdidos-culpa-foi-do-gps | 23:52 |
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| matt__ | its actually continually shutting itself down and back on again | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | matt__, is there a microSD in there? | 23:53 |
| matt__ | no | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | matt__, that happened to me a while ago too | 23:53 |
| matt__ | how did you rectify it | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | but then I just pulled the battery, held u, connected the cable then un-held u | 23:53 |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, *facepalm* | 23:54 |
| VDVsx | in English: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581303,00.html?test=latestnews | 23:54 |
| VDVsx | lol | 23:54 |
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| matt__ | how does one go about sending this back for a replacement | 23:55 |
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| MohammadAG_ | matt__, make sure you're doing it right before you send it | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's a 2 minute process if you do it properly | 23:56 |
| matt__ | everything to the word | 23:56 |
| matt__ | but no joy | 23:56 |
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| matt__ | what can they do, its not workin | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | matt you sure you're pressing u before and releasing it after plugging in the USB? | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | you don't have to press the power button | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | also disconnect any power hungry USB devices | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | and don't use hubs | 23:58 |
| matt__ | the u is the same button as '7' | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | yeah | 23:59 |
| matt__ | then im doing it right | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | kk | 23:59 |
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