| * Arkenoi noticed that n900 drops frames quite visible way on 624 x 352 24fps XviD | 00:00 | |
| Arkenoi | the video playback is almost smooth, but not completely smooth | 00:00 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: depends | 00:04 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: I had a few movies where you could see frames being dropped (moving trains, cars etc) | 00:04 |
| * wazd ponders about E63 | 00:04 | |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Then someone familiar with video editing said that the movies were encoded at 15fps :) | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | hey rst | 00:05 |
| javispedro | hi lcuk | 00:05 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Aside from that, the only time I have seen N900 drop frames is if Modest decides to check for email in the background and the device has been on for several days | 00:06 |
| RST38h | lcuk: moo | 00:06 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: The sluggishness problem after several days still requires research though | 00:06 |
| lcuk | strangely enough rst i dont notice this | 00:06 |
| lcuk | its rare i reboot or poweroff | 00:06 |
| lcuk | and not because of suckage like ive seen you describe | 00:07 |
| * RST38h had to reboot his n900 tonight, after it started acting up (gsm stuff crashed, no top button menu, etc) | 00:07 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: 42.11? | 00:07 |
| lcuk | at the time, yeah | 00:07 |
| RST38h | weird | 00:08 |
| lcuk | different usage cases | 00:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Could you do this experiment | 00:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: No I do not think usage cases are relevant here | 00:08 |
| lcuk | ok gfi | 00:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Keep your device up for 4-7 days without reboot | 00:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Then try starting some apps (Xterm, video player, browser) and shooting photos | 00:08 |
| lcuk | i cannot promise that | 00:09 |
| lcuk | i can try | 00:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Check if these operations feel sluggish | 00:09 |
| lcuk | as ive said, ive not noticed that happening for me | 00:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Do not go out of your way to test this of course | 00:09 |
| lcuk | ive got 2 devices | 00:09 |
| lcuk | at least one of them routinely lasts longer than the other | 00:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But many people I talked to confirmed what I am seeing, so the problem is apparently there | 00:09 |
| go1dfish | lcuk: have you tried swapping the batteries? | 00:09 |
| lcuk | indeed | 00:09 |
| lcuk | and may again be linked to usage patterns | 00:10 |
| lcuk | go1dfish, swapping the batteries tends to upset uptime, but yeah | 00:10 |
| RST38h | ok, <sleep> | 00:10 |
| lcuk | speak to you in 4-7 days RST38h | 00:10 |
| RST38h | ah, I am sure we will converse before that :) | 00:11 |
| javispedro | gnite RST38h | 00:11 |
| RST38h | g'nite | 00:11 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:11 |
| lcuk | nite | 00:11 |
| * lcuk will prolly be offline for a minimum of 24h from tomorrow | 00:11 | |
| lcuk | maybe longer | 00:12 |
| go1dfish | cehteh: what's the range on the ir transmitter | 00:12 |
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| go1dfish | I havent managed to get irreco working on anything yet | 00:12 |
| cehteh | go1dfish: no idea, told to be poor | 00:12 |
| go1dfish | and is it correct that there is no ir receiver? | 00:12 |
| cehteh | i didnt tried yet | 00:12 |
| lcuk | go1dfish, X-Fade tried the ir, he said 2-3metres i believe | 00:13 |
| lcuk | not overly powerful but also not useless either | 00:13 |
| go1dfish | thats not horrible, better than the IR port on my Prism and Zaurii | 00:13 |
| tbf | RST38h: lcuk: those ops will feel slugish as PR1.0 has some serious memory leaks still | 00:14 |
| wazd | any e63 users in here? :) | 00:14 |
| tbf | hopefully all serious leaks are gone with PR1.1 :-/ | 00:14 |
| lcuk | tbf, which ops are these - do you know what the leak is from? | 00:14 |
| lcuk | is it agtk leak or an x11 leak or an app in general leak? | 00:14 |
| lcuk | cos that might explain why i dont see them and others do | 00:14 |
| go1dfish | yeah I reboot mine at least once every couple of das | 00:15 |
| tbf | lcuk: some of the home applets for instance | 00:15 |
| lcuk | ahh i have minimum | 00:15 |
| Robot101 | tbf: hildon desktop itself also | 00:15 |
| matan | go1dfish: No IR receiver. | 00:15 |
| tbf | lcuk: i know of the contact applet and the google search applet loosing lots of memory | 00:15 |
| lcuk | infact, i have 1 applet | 00:15 |
| lcuk | media player | 00:15 |
| lcuk | oooh 2 | 00:16 |
| lcuk | ip address | 00:16 |
| lcuk | the rest are buttons and links | 00:16 |
| go1dfish | tbf: you're refferring to the google specific one, not touchsearch correct? | 00:16 |
| go1dfish | touchsearch is one of the few applets I have enabled | 00:16 |
| tbf | Robot101: well, most hildon desktop leaks are applet leaks in fact because of the in-process insanity | 00:16 |
| lcuk | in process plugins arent "memory leaks" by default | 00:16 |
| lcuk | thats not the problem, its actually difficult to get out of process widgets | 00:17 |
| tbf | go1dfish: yup. the google specific | 00:17 |
| Robot101 | really not that hard with a compositor | 00:17 |
| go1dfish | cool, any read on how well behaved the ap news widget is? | 00:17 |
| tbf | lcuk: X11 makes it trivial, but some moron thought they would cause too much overhead | 00:17 |
| tbf | lcuk: seems that moron didn't hear about COW and such | 00:17 |
| go1dfish | thats the only halfway active widget I have, besides personal IP, and the media player applet | 00:17 |
| Robot101 | make a window with alpha, hint it, and the compositor can swallow it and throw it wherever it wants on the desktop | 00:17 |
| * lcuk wonders if these things are simple, wheres the concept for them so we can build something better from | 00:18 | |
| go1dfish | tbf: out of process widgets are supported in Maemo5? or is that coming in 6? | 00:18 |
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| tbf | go1dfish: they are | 00:18 |
| tbf | go1dfish: the contacts applet is one of them. the only one? | 00:18 |
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| Robot101 | is planned for 6 for sure, as are UI / engine separated widgets so you can have >1 instance without nonsense going on :) | 00:18 |
| lcuk | i thought inprocess was the normal way to do plugins in pretty much any system | 00:19 |
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| lcuk | par for the scourse so to speak | 00:19 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: yes, thats what plugin means. but widgets don't have to be plugins. | 00:19 |
| lcuk | -s | 00:19 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: panel applets in GNOME are able to be separate processes for example | 00:19 |
| Robot101 | thats just X embedding, no compositing fanciness | 00:19 |
| lcuk | do many make use of it? | 00:19 |
| go1dfish | tbf: cool, just wondering I dont use the contacts applet currently | 00:19 |
| Robot101 | bonobo rather than d-bus, but even so | 00:19 |
| go1dfish | but knowing it's out of process might make me more likely to try it | 00:20 |
| lcuk | x11 really is supremely clever isnt it | 00:20 |
| go1dfish | lcuk: I don't know if clever is the word I'd use | 00:20 |
| go1dfish | extremely flexible | 00:20 |
| go1dfish | people come up with all kinds of clever things to do with it | 00:20 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: I see 6 separate process applets on this desktop | 00:20 |
| lcuk | cool | 00:21 |
| tbf | lcuk: just doesn't help if those days programmers come with windows background and believe windows specific crap like "processes are much heavier than threads" and such | 00:21 |
| lcuk | Robot101, so does the host still maintain an inprocess stub with the main bulk coming via reparenting | 00:22 |
| lcuk | or is it all just x11 mangling | 00:22 |
| tbf | fork() costs you exactly one page at minimum. incredibly heavy, isn't it? | 00:22 |
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| GAN900 | GoddamnitL | 00:23 |
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| Robot101 | lcuk: its just x11 mangling if you do something with x embedding or compositing, no stub | 00:28 |
| lcuk | cool | 00:29 |
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| tbf | blah. | 00:31 |
| tbf | No symbol "context_value" in current context. | 00:31 |
| tbf | I hate you, gdb | 00:31 |
| tbf | and gcc and whoever. | 00:31 |
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| ml-N900 | -O0 ftw | 00:32 |
| wolf^ | tbf, have they fixed the template support in gdb already? :> | 00:32 |
| lcuk | wolf^, template support? | 00:33 |
| lcuk | theres gdb7.0 test version which works with qt, after the holidays the finalversion of that should be updated to the sdk somewhere | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | tbf, what you debugging? | 00:34 |
| wolf^ | lcuk, template<class T> class a{ a( T b ) { ... } }; | 00:34 |
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| lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6298 | 00:34 |
| povbot | Bug 6298: gdb 6.8 very unstable, please upgrade to >=7.0 | 00:34 |
| wolf^ | lcuk, gdb did not work with such a thing | 00:34 |
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| lcuk | then its not been fixed | 00:35 |
| tbf | lcuk: wolf^: libdbus-glib. plain C | 00:35 |
| wolf^ | i prefer to use printf instead of gdb | 00:35 |
| wolf^ | it's that bad | 00:36 |
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| tbf | ml-N900: -O0 disables useful warnings | 00:36 |
| wolf^ | tbf, had the same problem with missing variables which obviously were used | 00:36 |
| wolf^ | no solution though | 00:36 |
| tbf | wolf^: well, "-O0" like ml-N900 suggested | 00:36 |
| tbf | but that's also just a really bad work around | 00:37 |
| wolf^ | tbf, except it does not help | 00:37 |
| tbf | hmm. still should try harry's gdb7 package | 00:38 |
| lcuk | yes and let me know if that works, its almost identical to the 70 standard, but the servers closed down for xmas before i could update it | 00:39 |
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| tbf | wow. in this special case gdb7 is worse: it just skips to end of function for dbus-glib's invoke_object_method | 00:41 |
| tbf | on this statement: | 00:41 |
| tbf | if (strcmp (string_table_lookup (get_method_data (object_info, method), 2), "A") == 0) | 00:41 |
| tbf | call_only = TRUE; | 00:41 |
| tbf | else | 00:41 |
| tbf | call_only = FALSE; | 00:41 |
| tbf | well, seems i shall install a -O0 version of libdbus-glib :-/ | 00:42 |
| tbf | bah. | 00:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: asleep? | 00:42 |
| lcuk | are you on actual hardware | 00:42 |
| lcuk | or in armel on scratchbox or x86? | 00:42 |
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| tbf | lcuk: scatchbox, x86 target, 64bit host | 00:43 |
| lcuk | mm | 00:44 |
| jello69_ | ty tbf | 00:47 |
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| tbf | http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-50196-6.html ← 400 km/h with this primitive windows and those large gaps between the wagons... | 00:51 |
| tbf | seems any jet is silent compared to this train | 00:52 |
| wazd | Hochgeschwindigkeitsstrecke | 00:52 |
| wazd | is this a word? :D | 00:52 |
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| wazd | or someone fell asleep on the keyboard? :D | 00:53 |
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| tbf | wazd: yes it is. | 00:53 |
| LuciusMare | hi | 00:53 |
| tbf | wazd: compound noun. high speed track | 00:53 |
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| LuciusMare | when i try to make an ad-hoc wifi network,i get to the key selecting,i choose all keys the same (abcdefgh) but it always tells me "incorrect characters". | 00:53 |
| LuciusMare | any ideas? | 00:53 |
| wazd | tbf: seriously, that's a damn long word :) | 00:54 |
| woglinde | LuciusMare make an not encrypting ad-hoc network | 00:54 |
| wazd | oh, I see trecke | 00:54 |
| wazd | that means "tracks" I guess | 00:54 |
| LuciusMare | woglinde: but i want an encrypted network | 00:54 |
| wazd | Hoch is "high" | 00:54 |
| tbf | wazd: yup, geschwindigkeit is the monster | 00:55 |
| wazd | and the 3rd part is speed I guess :D | 00:55 |
| woglinde | lol | 00:55 |
| tbf | wazd: "geschwind" - old verb for "doing something quickly" | 00:56 |
| tbf | wazd: +"ig" → adverb | 00:56 |
| wazd | well, in russia we also have long worls like ïåðåðàñïðåäåëåíèå :) | 00:56 |
| tbf | wazd: +"keit" → noun | 00:56 |
| wazd | tbf: I never knew german :) Only english and bits of french :) | 00:57 |
| LuciusMare | wazd: heh,all i see is iaoaoanioaaaaaaeiaaaa | 00:57 |
| wazd | LuciusMare: yeah, that means "dog" | 00:57 |
| LuciusMare | huh | 00:58 |
| wazd | :D | 00:58 |
| tbf | wazd: well, seems the word "geschwindigkeit" was establish by some Swabian guy. actually benz and daimler came from that region... | 00:58 |
| wazd | just kidding :) | 00:58 |
| LuciusMare | i thought so | 00:58 |
| LuciusMare | in my language,we also have long words | 00:58 |
| LuciusMare | such as | 00:58 |
| tbf | well... and how do the Swabians promote them self those days? | 00:58 |
| LuciusMare | nejneobhospodarovavatelnejsi | 00:58 |
| LuciusMare | which means | 00:58 |
| tbf | "Wie könna älles, aussa Hochdeutsch" | 00:58 |
| Macer | anybody here know how to disable color in screenrc? | 00:58 |
| Macer | i don't want screen using any type of color | 00:59 |
| tbf | hm. "Mer könna ällesz aussa Hochdeutsch" | 00:59 |
| tbf | (we can everything but proper german) | 00:59 |
| LuciusMare | The most not farmable | 00:59 |
| wazd | LuciusMare: now that's a dog, i know :D | 00:59 |
| LuciusMare | heh | 00:59 |
| LuciusMare | nope,dog in my language is simply "pes" | 00:59 |
| wazd | heh, like in russian :0 | 00:59 |
| LuciusMare | :) | 00:59 |
| LuciusMare | My language is czech. | 01:00 |
| LuciusMare | I bet you know it | 01:00 |
| wazd | oh, now I see :) | 01:00 |
| wazd | seriously, no E63/E71 users in here? :( | 01:01 |
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| MaceG1 | omg these frigging colors | 01:01 |
| MaceG1 | driving me nuts | 01:01 |
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| LuciusMare | wazd: i am an E17 user | 01:02 |
| wazd | LuciusMare: oh, and how's it? :) | 01:02 |
| wazd | LuciusMare: E63 is pretty the same, only cheaper and plastic | 01:02 |
| wazd | LuciusMare: I wanted E71 but it's hella expensive | 01:02 |
| LuciusMare | no e71 | 01:04 |
| LuciusMare | www.enlightenment.org | 01:05 |
| LuciusMare | ;) | 01:05 |
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| wazd | LuciusMare: ah | 01:05 |
| wazd | LuciusMare: I thought it was a typo :) | 01:05 |
| mikhas | lol | 01:05 |
| LuciusMare | nope :) | 01:05 |
| LuciusMare | And while we are in #maemo, i heard something about e17 ported to maemo | 01:05 |
| wazd | to Mer | 01:06 |
| lcuk | canola is built on the e17 libraries aint it | 01:06 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 01:06 |
| LuciusMare | er | 01:06 |
| LuciusMare | what is the difference between maemo and mer? | 01:06 |
| lcuk | spelling | 01:06 |
| LuciusMare | lol | 01:06 |
| lcuk | mer is a ground up reconstruction | 01:07 |
| LuciusMare | wait,maemo is opensource,right? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | using sane parts and trying to be open | 01:07 |
| LuciusMare | maemo... is not opensource? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | to a degree, theres many OSS components used but somethings are closed | 01:07 |
| LuciusMare | such as? | 01:08 |
| * lcuk does some handwaving, others are better at explaining it | 01:08 | |
| * LuciusMare catches his hand | 01:08 | |
| LuciusMare | drivers? | 01:08 |
| javispedro | most user visible applications | 01:08 |
| LuciusMare | :o | 01:08 |
| javispedro | including the calculator | 01:08 |
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| LuciusMare | GUI? | 01:08 |
| LuciusMare | lol | 01:08 |
| LuciusMare | calculator is closed source? *giggle* | 01:09 |
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| javispedro | the notes app, the sketch app, the rss viewer, the calendar (iirc), the browser interface, ... | 01:09 |
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| jello69_ | the apps that brand a user expierence are controlled | 01:09 |
| tbf | LuciusMare: historic reasons. historic reasons. | 01:09 |
| LuciusMare | holey carp | 01:09 |
| LuciusMare | why didnt they just open it? | 01:10 |
| jello69_ | because .. look at the screwups who write community software | 01:10 |
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| tbf | LuciusMare: before nokia understood this maemo thing, they had the policy of keeping all UI stuff closed | 01:10 |
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| LuciusMare | tbf: i guess they *can* releaes the codes now,when they fully understood these linuxes? | 01:10 |
| tbf | LuciusMare: and now project leaders have to do a lot of paper work and deal with many nokia lawyers to undo such crap | 01:10 |
| woglinde_ | so where is the gdb-7.0 package? | 01:10 |
| lcuk | woglinde, in that bug report i posted earlier | 01:11 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6298 | 01:11 |
| povbot | Bug 6298: gdb 6.8 very unstable, please upgrade to >=7.0 | 01:11 |
| woglinde_ | thanks luck | 01:11 |
| tbf | LuciusMare: so unless there is a lot of motivation behind opening some stuff, it just won't happen | 01:11 |
| woglinde_ | I have to debug navit | 01:11 |
| lcuk | ive got the 7.0 here, ill find some server space if yo uwant it | 01:11 |
| LuciusMare | i think that especially the browser interface should be open | 01:11 |
| lcuk | the 7.0 mentioned in the comments is a side by side install | 01:11 |
| LuciusMare | (the whole browser* | 01:11 |
| LuciusMare | ) | 01:11 |
| tbf | LuciusMare: say thank you to the lawyers. as usual. | 01:11 |
| woglinde_ | ah harald from trolltech | 01:11 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:12 |
| jello69_ | try tear browser | 01:12 |
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| tbf | LuciusMare: for instance we have an open source ticking running for the contacts application... | 01:12 |
| * LuciusMare gathers an OSS flag, printed GNU/GPL,cd's with debian and approaches nokia rapidly | 01:12 | |
| tbf | ...but those lawyers are slow... incredibly slow | 01:12 |
| jello69_ | LuciusMare: you may be interested in working on #mer | 01:13 |
| tbf | guess we'll have Maemo7, before they even came to a conclusion. | 01:13 |
| LuciusMare | tbf: i dont understand you,what is "open source ticking" ? | 01:13 |
| tbf | LuciusMare: ticket | 01:13 |
| LuciusMare | >.> | 01:13 |
| woglinde_ | wtf the fuck | 01:13 |
| LuciusMare | for instance,we have what? | 01:13 |
| woglinde_ | I cannt type the ~ into the browser url window | 01:14 |
| jello69_ | redundant woglinde_ | 01:14 |
| jello69_ | heh | 01:14 |
| LuciusMare | nevermind | 01:14 |
| tbf | LuciusMare: quim and my project leader did all necessary paper work for opening contacts about two (or three?) months ago. | 01:14 |
| tbf | still no progress. | 01:14 |
| jello69_ | ty for that tbf | 01:14 |
| woglinde_ | lol | 01:15 |
| woglinde_ | { works | 01:15 |
| woglinde_ | but ~ which genuis thought about that | 01:15 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 01:15 |
| LuciusMare | aw | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | How do you open the symbols page? | 01:16 |
| woglinde_ | -> sym | 01:16 |
| LuciusMare | is there a chance that one day,maemo will be released as free? | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I usually bang on ctrl/blue a bit and it sometimes pops up | 01:16 |
| woglinde_ | speedevil right | 01:16 |
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| woglinde_ | and when I type on the ~ its got marked | 01:16 |
| woglinde_ | nothing more | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | woglinde: what is the proper keystroke? | 01:16 |
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| woglinde_ | if I type the { it got inserted | 01:17 |
| tbf | LuciusMare: parts of it will always be closed | 01:17 |
| LuciusMare | tbf: such as? | 01:17 |
| tbf | LuciusMare: for instance parts of the GSM stack cannot be opened for license and regulation rules | 01:18 |
| red | woglinde_: i've noticed that aswell | 01:18 |
| red | had to copypaste it so far | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | tbf: that's completely seperate. That's - at the moment at least - running on a seperate core. | 01:18 |
| tbf | LuciusMare: or for instance battery management won't be opened, cause nokia don't want to pay compensations for victims of exploding batteries | 01:18 |
| woglinde_ | red thanks | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | tbf: as is bluetooth, wifi. | 01:18 |
| woglinde_ | red is cut and paste working for that? | 01:18 |
| LuciusMare | hah | 01:18 |
| red | for me atleast | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | tbf: and the battery managment is usually in actual hardware. - at least for the 'not blow up' functions. | 01:19 |
| woglinde_ | args | 01:19 |
| woglinde_ | dont works on shell either | 01:19 |
| woglinde_ | okay evil trick | 01:19 |
| red | it doesnt work anywhere :p | 01:19 |
| red | ~ | 01:19 |
| woglinde_ | paste per ssh | 01:19 |
| red | here you go | 01:19 |
| red | :D | 01:19 |
| woglinde_ | and cat the the file | 01:19 |
| woglinde_ | I chatting from my desktop | 01:19 |
| ifreq | anyone familiar with http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php ? | 01:20 |
| red | i made a alias to connect to irc since i have a ~ in the line | 01:20 |
| red | was driving me crazy at first | 01:20 |
| jello69_ | quicksynergy runs on tablet | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. Overlaid transparent symbol keyboard for the term would be nice | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | configurable | 01:20 |
| jello69_ | ypu can add symbols to xterm border | 01:21 |
| red | SpeedEvil: would be cool to pick up what symbols are shown in x ter | 01:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | jello69_: yeah - I want to nuke that though. | 01:21 |
| red | like the pgup pgdn etc | 01:21 |
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| jello69_ | i have ~ | > | 01:21 |
| woglinde_ | hms what was the cut paste sequenez? | 01:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | jello69_: Actual fullscreen | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | woglinde: ctrl-c/v? | 01:21 |
| jello69_ | ah | 01:21 |
| red | mm, where do I fiddle around in order to add symbols there jello69_? | 01:21 |
| woglinde | wow worked | 01:22 |
| jello69_ | someone posted gconf strings to irc | 01:22 |
| jello69_ | ruskie | 01:22 |
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| LuciusMare | is there a guide how to boot off a sd card on rover? | 01:25 |
| lcuk | hey johnx | 01:25 |
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| red | elo | 01:25 |
| MaceG1 | awesome | 01:25 |
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| tbf | jello69_: if open source contacts is important for you, please vote on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 | 01:25 |
| povbot | Bug 5549: libosso-abook should be open source | 01:25 |
| MaceG1 | well... this is a little better | 01:25 |
| jello69_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926&page=3 red | 01:25 |
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| LuciusMare | no? :( | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it possible to reflash from SD card? | 01:28 |
| * SpeedEvil has lost his USB lead. | 01:28 | |
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| SpeedEvil | aha. | 01:28 |
| * SpeedEvil has found his USB lead. | 01:28 | |
| wolf^ | lead? | 01:29 |
| wolf^ | cable? | 01:29 |
| red | jello69_: doh | 01:29 |
| red | shoulda checked irc | 01:29 |
| red | was browsing thru ruskies posts :D | 01:29 |
| LuciusMare | ay,i hate my dog | 01:30 |
| LuciusMare | he has got a hump-toy | 01:30 |
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| LuciusMare | its a big plushy mouse he humps,but...er i dont want to have him doing himself on the couch,so i always throw it behind a corner,in his house,but he keeps pulling it back | 01:30 |
| red | :D | 01:31 |
| red | ty for info | 01:31 |
| LuciusMare | kinda tmi,eh? | 01:32 |
| jello69_ | luciusmare know any python? | 01:32 |
| LuciusMare | jello69_: like, /usr/bin/python ? | 01:32 |
| jello69_ | i want some ui tweaks to gpodder and my changes dont work yet | 01:32 |
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| WM-Sef | hello :) | 01:33 |
| * n900evil leaves to flash. | 01:33 | |
| jello69_ | like downloads window to retain most recent files fetched and let me launch them | 01:33 |
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| WM-Sef | I've a problem guys | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | WM-Sef: Can nobody else solve it? | 01:33 |
| jello69_ | going to 10 different feeds to play updates is bad UI | 01:34 |
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| Disease | hello | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | If so, maybe you can call the A-team? | 01:34 |
| WM-Sef | I have a Nokia N900 image, and I want to extract it | 01:34 |
| WM-Sef | I can extract the bin | 01:34 |
| WM-Sef | but now it stuck on the rootfs.jffs2 | 01:34 |
| Disease | I have a question, MaStory is good for Dotclear or only wordpress ? | 01:34 |
| WM-Sef | error reading superblock while mounting :/ | 01:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: A 6" nail would solve that problem. | 01:36 |
| LuciusMare | SpeedEvil: i am afraid to understand it | 01:36 |
| WM-Sef | any helps on this one? | 01:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: nail the mouse to the floor | 01:37 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 01:37 |
| javispedro | do you think it would be... um... "right" to post software in extras that allows one to override the "no-headphones" restriction in the fmtx? | 01:37 |
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| LuciusMare | i thought you mean a fingernail | 01:38 |
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| red | jello69_: what are pgup and pgdown called there | 01:38 |
| red | im adding mostly same buttons than listed there | 01:39 |
| red | but i wanna keep those and perhaps control aswell | 01:39 |
| jello69_ | i renamed yo Up and Dn | 01:39 |
| red | ye but whats the "key" name? | 01:40 |
| red | pageup and pagedn ? | 01:40 |
| WM-Sef | how to extract rootfs.jffs2 guys? | 01:40 |
| lbt | WM-Sef: yeah, they're all drunk. Sorry I sent you here :) Someone will help though. IIRC you need the flasher3 tool | 01:40 |
| lbt | try ~flashing | 01:40 |
| lbt | ~flashing | 01:40 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 01:40 |
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| WM-Sef | I have it | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | WM-Sef: why/ | 01:41 |
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| lcuk | wazd, your menu - how does the transition between h/v work? can you do one of your flash mockups (like parallax/fade/context ones) ? | 01:41 |
| pwnguin | anyone know a way to bump up the quality of jpg the camera makes? | 01:41 |
| WM-Sef | cuz I want to look in the image | 01:41 |
| red | Anyone know what Page Up and Page Down are called on the device? the actual key names | 01:42 |
| pwnguin | right now it seems set to 85, which is kinda not good =( | 01:42 |
| red | for use with customizing the x term bar | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: more light? | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: More attractive friends? | 01:42 |
| pwnguin | clever, but not really helping | 01:42 |
| lcuk | you have as always presented those mods very nicely :) i do like the bar of quicklaunch items | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: you mean the jpeg quality? | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: there is an option in the camera I think - and 85 is usually quite OK | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: consider also that the camera really isn't that good. You are not losing the sharpness due to 85 quality | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: I would look to see where in the camera I found it - but I'm currently flashing | 01:43 |
| pwnguin | yea, but i'd like to know how much of it is camera and how much is compression loss | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | take a blank white frame, with a small bit of detail in teh middle | 01:44 |
| WM-Sef | does the Maemo sdk have a rootfs too? | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - finished | 01:44 |
| red | jello69_: i suck at googling, can you recall the correct syntax for page up and down keys? | 01:44 |
| pwnguin | red: in what api? | 01:45 |
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| wazd | lcuk: don't have much time now for flash - too much work | 01:45 |
| pwnguin | KEY_PGDWN? | 01:45 |
| pwnguin | err | 01:45 |
| red | x terminal, pwnguin | 01:45 |
| pwnguin | KEY_PGDN | 01:45 |
| red | reconfiguring the bar with esc ctrl pgup pgdn | 01:46 |
| red | but wasnt sure and couldnt find | 01:46 |
| red | ill try those | 01:46 |
| red | pwnguin: u sure it requires the key_ prefix? | 01:47 |
| red | as dead_grave, bar etc dont | 01:47 |
| lcuk | wazd, fair enough, if you do get creative with it though, add it to the article it would help to see how it wouldreact | 01:47 |
| pwnguin | red: no, which is why im asking what api | 01:48 |
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| red | k, i think i found the file with the aliases | 01:48 |
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| LuciusMare | *gulp | 01:49 |
| LuciusMare | * | 01:49 |
| LuciusMare | i installed ssh2 server | 01:49 |
| LuciusMare | it wants a new ROOT password | 01:49 |
| LuciusMare | ! | 01:49 |
| pwnguin | red: just a guess, but maybe you're looking for this? http://ascii-table.com/ansi-escape-sequences-vt-100.php | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: so supply one | 01:49 |
| lcuk | \o/ holy returning features coming back from history batman! | 01:49 |
| Ceron | http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/12619521077.jpg | 01:49 |
| pwnguin | LuciusMare: new? try first | 01:49 |
| GAN900 | LuciusMare, that's because the default is really easy to guess. | 01:50 |
| GAN900 | pwnguin, default is rootme. | 01:50 |
| pwnguin | orly? | 01:50 |
| pwnguin | i figured it came without one | 01:50 |
| GAN900 | pwnguin, there's just no easy way to use it. | 01:50 |
| GAN900 | No user password | 01:50 |
| tbf | Robot101: YES. may crazy facebook hack works | 01:51 |
| type_t | # <WM-sef> lets see where did you get the one you have now?.. . full root_fs_ext2 you can open.. | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | tbf: You haven't created an account so sidestepped all the drama? | 01:51 |
| tbf | Robot101: working around the TOS by injecting a component into microb :-D | 01:51 |
| red | pwnguin: You know the little toolbar in bottom of x term app. The one with "Esc Ctrl PgUp PgDn" | 01:52 |
| pwnguin | red: and tab | 01:52 |
| pwnguin | handy handy tab | 01:52 |
| red | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926&page=3 | 01:52 |
| tbf | Robot101: facebook chat via telepathy is coming. | 01:52 |
| * pwnguin demands bash-autocomplete! | 01:52 | |
| red | doing something like that :) | 01:52 |
| WM-Sef | via a friend of mine | 01:52 |
| WM-Sef | he owns a N900 | 01:52 |
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| pwnguin | red: why not go look at the source code for it? | 01:53 |
| red | im a newb :) | 01:54 |
| LuciusMare | http://pastebin.com/d4e336070 ? | 01:55 |
| red | atleast with anything that is linux based | 01:55 |
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| type_t | # no way to do a $ sudo mount -t jffs2 /thefs/root_fs.jffs2 /mount -o loop right..? | 01:55 |
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| red | just wonder why my gconftool says unknown option -2 | 01:56 |
| WM-Sef | no | 01:57 |
| WM-Sef | mtd block device method: | 01:58 |
| WM-Sef | error reading superblock | 01:58 |
| red | ahh, iit was gconftool-2 | 01:58 |
| red | not -2, hah | 01:58 |
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| zash | red: /usr/bin/gconftool: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/gconftool' | 02:00 |
| zash | /etc/alternatives/gconftool: symbolic link to `/usr/bin/gconftool-2' | 02:00 |
| red | k | 02:00 |
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| red | how does one doa prntscreen dump to a jpg or similar? | 02:15 |
| zash | red: i saw some shortcut cheeetsheet | 02:16 |
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| zash | red: ctrl-(maybe other modifier)+p | 02:16 |
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| lbt | night all | 02:17 |
| red | whoops, wrong button :) | 02:17 |
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| red | someone replied, but didnt read it yet | 02:17 |
| red | paste please :) | 02:17 |
| zash | red: something + p | 02:17 |
| red | :D | 02:17 |
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| red | Meh, can't get a screenshot off the terminal window | 02:20 |
| Disease | please, who can help me for MaStory ? | 02:20 |
| red | any ideas? | 02:20 |
| zash | red: ctrl + shift + p | 02:20 |
| zash | http://nokiaexperts.com/tips-shortcuts-handy-tidbits-nokia-n900-user-guide/ | 02:20 |
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| zash | red: and imagemagic has import, like import -root screenshot.png | 02:21 |
| red | thanks for that link aswell | 02:22 |
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| zash | ah, it's `import -window root filename.png ` | 02:23 |
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| red | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2188345/%20N900-xterm.png | 02:33 |
| red | here we go =) | 02:33 |
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| redeeman | in the filemanager, in the upper most root, it says my N900 phones name, what else entries can be there? can it list other computers? if so, what protocols? | 02:53 |
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| fragment | redeeman: memory card is there too | 02:54 |
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| red | redeeman: i saw my friends shared folders when i was on his wifi | 02:54 |
| redeeman | shared via smb? | 02:55 |
| ShadowJK | that dlna media sharing thing | 02:55 |
| ShadowJK | no smb.. | 02:55 |
| redeeman | wtf dlna | 02:55 |
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| ShadowJK | n810's file manager did smb...but then upstream gvfs removed it | 02:56 |
| red | redeeman: didnt ask him what he used to share the folders | 02:56 |
| red | windows 7 machine and he uses his xbox to view movies and series that are located din those shared folders | 02:57 |
| red | might have just been shared folders via the windows gui | 02:57 |
| ShadowJK | if you share it in wmp n900 sees it | 02:58 |
| Macer | too bad s. darko sucks | 02:59 |
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| Macer | then again though... so did donnie darko (kind of) | 02:59 |
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| red | i likeed gyllenhaals acting in it | 03:00 |
| red | but story could have been lot better | 03:00 |
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| pupnik | 20 seconds to join | 03:01 |
| Macer | it was ok | 03:01 |
| pupnik | 01:02 -!- Irssi: Join to #maemo was synced in 41 secs | 03:01 |
| Macer | it could have been better :) a lot better | 03:01 |
| pupnik | javispedro: awake? | 03:01 |
| javispedro | pupnik: yep | 03:02 |
| Macer | 9 is interesting | 03:02 |
| pupnik | http:/pupnik.de/dosbox_pup26.tgz | 03:02 |
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| pupnik | pretty fast in wing cmdr. i broke mouse. have you looked at making it act like touchpad? | 03:02 |
| Macer | kind of weird but still interesting | 03:02 |
| Macer | looks like a tim burton film heh | 03:03 |
| pupnik | mouse.cpp does some things i do not understand | 03:03 |
| pupnik | so i try just removing and adding xrel, yrel now | 03:03 |
| pupnik | apparently profile generate works | 03:03 |
| pupnik | check size of exe also | 03:03 |
| javispedro | pupnik: nope, not done anything yet. url gives me 404. | 03:03 |
| tbf | .oO(amazing how much chinese people overestimate importance of their country) | 03:04 |
| pupnik | my error? | 03:04 |
| javispedro | http://pupnik.de/dosbox_pup26.tgz <-- | 03:04 |
| pupnik | retry 30sec | 03:05 |
| VDVsx | ~seen qwerty12 | 03:05 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 24d 6h 41m 56s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. | 03:05 |
| pupnik | i think touchpad mouse and accel joystick | 03:06 |
| tbf | .oO(factory workers cannot even effort a flat, but of course they have 600 EUR for a smart phone. lol) | 03:06 |
| pupnik | for starters no... | 03:06 |
| pupnik | but which button would you want to trap for mouse | 03:06 |
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| pupnik | certainly the device is not mass market cost point yet | 03:06 |
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| pupnik | lets work to make it so | 03:06 |
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| GAN900 | VDVsx, did the bastard go on vacation. . .. | 03:23 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, abandoned us :´) | 03:24 |
| javispedro | sometimes, you REALLY need a vacation after reading a few tmo posts ;) | 03:24 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, "You was able to find me on the FreeNode IRC network, in the #maemo channel, under the nickname of qwerty12. But not anymore. " | 03:24 |
| pupnik | ok i do need to detect mousedown and only call mousemotion on mouseup | 03:24 |
| VDVsx | only tmo it seems, need to kick him :P | 03:24 |
| javispedro | I guess IRC is a known time sink. | 03:25 |
| wazd | looks like E63 is a pretty nice device | 03:25 |
| wazd | never used symbian but whatever :) | 03:25 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, I've the same opinion about tmo :P and some others even worst | 03:26 |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, his parents figured out he's an uberh4x0r | 03:26 |
| VDVsx | lol | 03:26 |
| GAN900 | Maybe bad grades. ;) | 03:26 |
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| wazd | bad timing for bad grades :D | 03:27 |
| pupnik | javispedro: dosbox tells me "dynamic" is not a valid cpu core - do we not have m-ht dynamic recompilation enabled? | 03:27 |
| javispedro | depends | 03:27 |
| javispedro | pupnik: this is on my build? | 03:27 |
| pupnik | i have 198803 Sep 24 04:56 dosbox_0.73-7maemo4.diff | 03:28 |
| javispedro | though if you played with configure it may have broken itself | 03:28 |
| pupnik | does your build accept 'dynamic' from dosbox config? | 03:29 |
| javispedro | Possible values: auto, dynamic, normal, simple. <-- yep. | 03:30 |
| pupnik | did you try it | 03:30 |
| woglinde | hms | 03:30 |
| javispedro | yep | 03:30 |
| pupnik | ok thanks | 03:31 |
| javispedro | just did it now | 03:31 |
| woglinde | segfault in freetype | 03:31 |
| luke-jr | hum | 03:31 |
| woglinde | but now to sleep | 03:31 |
| luke-jr | latest qemu's N810 support is totally broken | 03:31 |
| woglinde | hrw should fix it? | 03:31 |
| t7g_ | Is there any preferred standard dbus debugger used on Maemo? I can't seem to apt-get d-feet. | 03:31 |
| woglinde | dbus-monitor? | 03:32 |
| woglinde | but good-bye now | 03:32 |
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| t7g_ | Well that doesn't help much since he left me with no answer as to if the style or interface was the same as d-feet. | 03:33 |
| mza | V: Giving up, because failed to: echo -e 'Yes\n' | maemo-tools --mirror | 03:33 |
| mza | this thing is broken | 03:33 |
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| b-man17 | ~seen xnt14 | 03:35 |
| infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt14@pool-71-251-0-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 27d 1h 18m 59s ago, saying: 'ok lol'. | 03:35 |
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| pupnik | oh please who made browserd necessary for device operation | 03:38 |
| mza | i will try with debian | 03:39 |
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| mza | wonderful | 03:39 |
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| pupnik | what | 03:42 |
| pupnik | is there a way to boot device into console + ssh | 03:43 |
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| SplasPood | hrm, these ruby 1.9.1 packages seem to cause qemu to hang under the scratchbox env | 03:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Am I confused, or does the browser actually not save pages when you ask it to? | 04:00 |
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| pupnik | well i think it is flash with wonky usb time | 04:05 |
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| Robot101 | pupnik: in soviet #maemo, quantum probability bends you | 04:10 |
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| ceda | looking for a guide on how to get usb-net working (just like the OpenMoko guys did) | 04:11 |
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| pupnik | flash successful | 04:12 |
| * pupnik wobbles the room | 04:12 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:12 |
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| K` | pupnik | 04:26 |
| K` | do you have an N900 | 04:26 |
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| pupnik | K`: yah | 04:38 |
| pupnik | np Hayseed Dixie - Enter Sandman (so awesome) | 04:38 |
| K` | good | 04:39 |
| K` | I was checking out your page yesterday | 04:39 |
| K` | a lot of good looking projects | 04:39 |
| K` | my N900 should be here by 9am tomorrow, and I wanted to start with some of those sweet looking ports | 04:40 |
| pupnik | there's lots free | 04:40 |
| K` | GemRB is going to be my first shot | 04:40 |
| K` | I also started on my first project last night in the scratchbox | 04:41 |
| K` | youmail.com maemo interface | 04:41 |
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| crashanddie | wtf http://www.amazon.com/Million-Random-Digits-Normal-Deviates/dp/0833030477/ref=tag_stp_st_edpp_url | 04:44 |
| luke-jr | I just semi-bricked my N810! | 04:45 |
| pupnik | gemrb needs some real playtesting and script testing | 04:48 |
| pupnik | but it's fun to watch run | 04:48 |
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| K` | pupnik: do you use the scratchbox and Xephyr when building or just direct to device | 04:51 |
| K` | Im trying to figure out if the speed is normal | 04:51 |
| K` | because my scratchbox seems to run extremely slow | 04:52 |
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| pupnik | just on device | 04:57 |
| mza | install lenny-2009-1 | 04:58 |
| mza | /bin/sh: maemo-tools: command not found | 04:58 |
| mza | echo: write error: Broken pipe | 04:58 |
| mza | V: Set fatal to: Installing tools environment lenny-2009-1 (takes about 15 minutes) | 04:58 |
| mza | V: Giving up, because failed to: echo -e 'Yes\n' | maemo-tools --mirror | 04:58 |
| mza | this thing is fucked up | 04:58 |
| cehteh | grr device bricked for no reason | 05:04 |
| pupnik | it may just have timed out mza | 05:05 |
| mza | nah, maemo-tools doesnt exist on my system | 05:05 |
| mza | what package is that installed with? | 05:05 |
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| cehteh | what can i do when the bootloader hangs at oOooo .. seems i cant even turn it off | 05:06 |
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| mza | there are so many instructions for installing this sdk | 05:08 |
| mza | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5-0_installation/#32bitinstall | 05:08 |
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| wazd | damn, there is black E63 but (you guess) not for Russia | 05:30 |
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| MaceG1 | ah well | 05:46 |
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| pupnik | anybody want to emulate touchpad for dosbox | 06:05 |
| cehteh | anyone of you have openvpn running with seamless switching between home wlan and mobile? | 06:07 |
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| pwnguin | http://git.gnome.org/browse/banshee/tree/src/Dap/Banshee.Dap.MassStorage/Banshee.Dap.MassStorage.addin.xml | 07:27 |
| pwnguin | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/hal-info/tree/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-usb-music-players.fdi | 07:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: (sluggish after uptime 7d) I had a almost freeze when browserd ate all my cpu and storage. Probably flash, js, or similar active content. Also there is the frequrntly reported problem of / getting filled by unknown reasons which is cured by boot. Plus sth seems to memleak as I have quite some dozen MB swap used now even with almost all apps closed. now will kill / close the remaing apps and reboot | 07:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this might enable videostreaming with buffer in /var/temp once again | 07:35 |
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| * Arkenoi wonders why almost all pico projectors on the market are 4:3 | 07:48 | |
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| wazd | Arkenoi: oh, btw, what can you say bout e63? :) | 07:52 |
| mza | ok, got the sdk running | 07:52 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: and mornin' :) | 07:53 |
| mza | there are no applications though? just the app manager and like 2 settings? | 07:53 |
| Arkenoi | wazd: is has plastic back cover unlike e71 iirc? | 07:53 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: yep | 07:53 |
| mza | when i try and load up the app manager i have no packages and the logs say i have no internet connectivity | 07:53 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: and it's rur 5k cheaper :) | 07:53 |
| wazd | even 6 | 07:54 |
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| Arkenoi | ward: orly? i've seen e71's sell-out in local m-video store for 8,300rur | 07:54 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: nowai | 07:54 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: it's 15k everywhere now :( | 07:54 |
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| Arkenoi | wazd, quite strange, once it was out there for that price i doubt anyone will buy it for any higher price | 07:55 |
| Arkenoi | well, i may check if there still are some. i haven't notice it caused much interest, it was on the corner stand and people mostly ignored it | 07:56 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: http://www.mvideo.ru/products/30005193.html | 07:56 |
| Arkenoi | there were hs-12w for $10 and stuff' | 07:56 |
| Arkenoi | but i already have hs-12w and it sounds awfuly | 07:57 |
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| Arkenoi | wazd: it could be local discount not available via internet or in other m-video stores | 07:58 |
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| wazd | Arkenoi: well, anyway, any good thoughts bout E-series symbian? :) Is it worth trying? Reviews says that e63 is pretty zippy device | 08:00 |
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| Arkenoi | wazd: you may buy secondhand one, it will likely cost no more than $200, and the replacement case will be no more than $70 (complete with keyboard, back and front covers) | 08:01 |
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| Arkenoi | wazd: i owned e90. well, it has excellent power management so it really lasts 2 days of moderate use being always online with SIP and push email. You cannot get that with Maemo. Everything other is just terrible. | 08:02 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: meh :) | 08:03 |
| Arkenoi | (terrible if you look at at the communicator way. as smartphone it is simply the best) | 08:03 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: what cpu e90 has? | 08:03 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: e63 has pretty beefy ARM11 369Mhz | 08:04 |
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| Arkenoi | 300MHz i think and there is second cpu as well don't know how it is used though | 08:04 |
| ifreq | i wouldnt compare e90 vs n900 battery usage as e90 cant even do half of the stuff n900 can do. | 08:04 |
| Arkenoi | i doubt there is much difference 369 vs 300 | 08:05 |
| Arkenoi | ifreq: actually it can more than half. it is just not that handy, you can do similar things but you probably won't ;-) | 08:05 |
| ifreq | it doesnt even have vpn included (e90).. and ppl call it business communicator | 08:06 |
| ifreq | :P | 08:06 |
| Arkenoi | ifreq, keyword "included". you can do vpn, it is just tricky to set up. | 08:06 |
| ifreq | yes very tricky | 08:06 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: the only thing that really pisses me off is fucking russia discrimination - no black e63 herer | 08:06 |
| Arkenoi | and it is the symbian way for almost everything | 08:06 |
| Arkenoi | you can, but.. | 08:07 |
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| wazd | Arkenoi: I can buy enchanced e71 with TV and 2 sim slots for just 6k! :D | 08:09 |
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| * RST38h moos | 08:30 | |
| RST38h | wazd: what is enhanced with TV anyway? | 08:30 |
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| Vratha | hi guys | 08:35 |
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| Vratha | is there any way to use the n900 to record a call made to another party, including the other party's voice? | 08:36 |
| Vratha | maybe some package out there for maemo? | 08:36 |
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| Laiska | Have not tested but maybe just put the conversation to speaker and use Recorder? | 08:41 |
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| Vratha | yeah, i was just trying out the recorder, but i was talking on it like a regular phone. other person's voice was very faint, leading me to the suspicion that it's picking up the speaker | 08:49 |
| Vratha | speakerphone is not going to work for me | 08:49 |
| Vratha | i guess i should try again tomrorow with hand's free, as my girlfriend is getting annoyed with the testing | 08:50 |
| Vratha | if anyone else knows of a phone conversation recording app for the n900, i'm all ears :) | 08:50 |
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| wazd_n800 | i'm in nokla flagship now) | 09:14 |
| thresh | leaving the earth to a better place? | 09:14 |
| wazd_n800 | yeah, preparing for symbian seduction :D | 09:15 |
| ifreq | :) | 09:15 |
| wazd_n800 | e63 is kinda cool | 09:16 |
| wazd_n800 | I can type with one hand | 09:16 |
| thresh | wazd_n800: duh. on Tverskaya? :) | 09:17 |
| wazd_n800 | yep | 09:17 |
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| thresh | the place i bought my n900 :) | 09:17 |
| wazd_n800 | they have only n900 here disabled | 09:17 |
| wazd_n800 | and dry | 09:18 |
| thresh | if you want to buy one, they surely will give a new one to you :) | 09:18 |
| wazd_n800 | I wish I had spare 1k bucks :D | 09:18 |
| thresh | i didnt | 09:19 |
| thresh | been saving on school food and stuff | 09:19 |
| ifreq | thresh: fast runner? | 09:19 |
| thresh | mm? | 09:20 |
| ifreq | nvm. | 09:20 |
| thresh | wazd_n800: you need to find a way to monetize your blog | 09:21 |
| thresh | ifreq: ah, no. i've paid my hard-earned money. | 09:21 |
| wazd_n800 | wtf is braek app)) | 09:22 |
| Laiska | not-one-of-my-most-favorite-apps | 09:22 |
| Laiska | Just makes a "broken glass" effect on your screen | 09:23 |
| wazd_n800 | yeah, I see :) | 09:23 |
| ifreq | thresh: yeh was just kidding. | 09:25 |
| wazd_n800 | yeah, n900 s awesome | 09:26 |
| Laiska | BTW, just noticed this morning, the headset that comes with the phone is quite crappy | 09:26 |
| * thresh never unpacked it | 09:27 | |
| Laiska | At first I thought they were actually quite good, but just happened to try another set today and.. wow. | 09:27 |
| * ifreq uses pioneers bassboosted headphones :P | 09:27 | |
| wazd_n800 | can anybody tell me if there's a euroset around? | 09:27 |
| wazd_n800 | or svyaznoy | 09:27 |
| Laiska | An Equalizer app would be cool though.. and preferrably integrated to the media player | 09:27 |
| thresh | wazd_n800: there's ion if you move down to Red Square | 09:28 |
| thresh | i'll look up on google maps now | 09:29 |
| wazd_n800 | nah, I need one of these | 09:29 |
| wazd_n800 | they have e63 for 8.5k, nstore has it for 10k | 09:29 |
| thresh | i've found euroset | 09:29 |
| thresh | move up from Pushkin Square, it's on the other side of the street one block away | 09:30 |
| thresh | in front of Mariott Hotel | 09:31 |
| thresh | Tverskaya 25, i think | 09:32 |
| wazd_n800 | thx | 09:33 |
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| wazd_n800 | found it) | 09:34 |
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| wazd_n800 | fuck | 09:37 |
| wazd_n800 | they have it here for 10k to | 09:38 |
| wazd_n800 | greedy stards | 09:38 |
| pwnguin | 10k sounds like a lot of something | 09:38 |
| thresh | ~235 euros | 09:38 |
| thresh | svyaznoi really says it's 8.5k | 09:39 |
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| wazd_n800 | ok, any euroset around?) | 09:42 |
| pwnguin | is there really any need for tracker? | 09:42 |
| wazd_n800 | oh, I have an idea | 09:43 |
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| Vratha | hmm, does anyone know if the n900 uses a micro-A or micro-B usb cable? how do you tell the difference? | 09:45 |
| pwnguin | uh | 09:45 |
| Vratha | reason i'm wondering: i'm buying a car charger and a wall charger | 09:45 |
| Vratha | for the office and on the go | 09:45 |
| pwnguin | do they make microA? | 09:46 |
| Vratha | oh, i don't know. | 09:46 |
| thresh | micro-B i think | 09:46 |
| Vratha | i thought they did if they made microb | 09:46 |
| thresh | at least i recon it says B on the cable | 09:46 |
| pwnguin | it's micro B | 09:46 |
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| Vratha | thanks; that's what i thought it had as well | 09:47 |
| pwnguin | however, official nokia stuff i hear will provide more power than usb proper | 09:47 |
| Vratha | i'm not interested in the high power output | 09:48 |
| Vratha | that's just used to charge faster. at the office or on the road i'm okay with slow charges | 09:48 |
| pwnguin | do you not have a computer at the office? | 09:49 |
| Vratha | i do | 09:49 |
| pwnguin | then a simple a-to-microB cable suffices | 09:50 |
| Vratha | no | 09:50 |
| Vratha | i work at a bank | 09:50 |
| Vratha | hooking things to the computer would be grounds for firing | 09:51 |
| Vratha | otherwise i'd do something like that | 09:51 |
| pwnguin | normally they lock those features out | 09:51 |
| ifreq | Vratha: n900 has wall charger inc | 09:52 |
| Vratha | ifreq: but not two wall chargers... | 09:52 |
| ifreq | you need another at home or? | 09:52 |
| ifreq | at home you can charge with usb cable from computah | 09:52 |
| Laiska | Maybe use the adapter that came in the package and use an older Nokia charger? | 09:52 |
| ifreq | atleast i do. wall charger is at work atm :P | 09:52 |
| Vratha | no, i cannot, because i don't have the computer in my room | 09:52 |
| ifreq | aha ok | 09:52 |
| Vratha | and i use this as an alarm clock :) | 09:53 |
| pwnguin | Laiska: what adapter? | 09:53 |
| Vratha | i'm way too cheap ass to buy a real alarm clock | 09:53 |
| ifreq | well most ppl these days use i guess :) | 09:53 |
| Vratha | yeah :) | 09:53 |
| pwnguin | it seems the american model didn't come with this magical nokia adapter | 09:53 |
| Vratha | pwnguin: i have an american n900, and it came with a wall charger and USB cable | 09:54 |
| Laiska | pwnguin: http://www.bestncheap.net/product/flasherbox/ipmart/CA-146c-2.jpg | 09:54 |
| Laiska | one of those | 09:54 |
| ifreq | im planning to get this for backup power: http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php | 09:55 |
| pwnguin | yea, dont remember seeing one of those | 09:55 |
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| Laiska | Package contents probably depends on the region somewhat | 09:56 |
| * Laiska shrugs | 09:56 | |
| Vratha | ifreq: wow, that's pretty neat. if i had anything more than a phone and regularly needed extra power, i'd think about that | 09:56 |
| ifreq | Vratha: yeh i have phone and cycle gps .. need for longer trips :) | 09:56 |
| Vratha | i'm getting a 3-way socket splitter for the cigarette lighter so i can plug in my GPS and n900 simultaneously, leaving one extra port for some unknown future device | 09:57 |
| ifreq | yeah | 09:57 |
| ifreq | ige got no such options with my bicycle *g* | 09:57 |
| Vratha | oh, yeah, very true | 09:57 |
| Vratha | my GPS device can supposedly last 8 hours on its battery | 09:57 |
| ifreq | and for biking/camping 1-2 weeks i need to charge my devices few times atleast | 09:58 |
| Vratha | don't know if it does though. it's pretty pimptastic though. i thank my girlfriend greatly for it | 09:58 |
| ifreq | yeh mine has also some 8-10h capasity | 09:58 |
| ifreq | heh | 09:58 |
| Vratha | ah, yeah, if you're out that much, i guess you'd need that | 09:58 |
| ifreq | yeah, one of my rare non-computer hobbies | 09:59 |
| wazd_n800 | ~ping | 09:59 |
| infobot | ~pong | 09:59 |
| wazd_n800 | well | 09:59 |
| wazd_n800 | they have it for 8490 in e-store. Just ordered | 09:59 |
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| dmj7261 | I saw the n900 in Fry's Electronics the other day. | 10:04 |
| dmj7261 | It made me think that closing the Flagship stores in the US is a bad idea. | 10:04 |
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| dmj7261 | Electronics stores never have the real devices, and nobody is going to buy an n900 based on a cheap plastic mockup. | 10:05 |
| * thresh bought one without even looking at the device | 10:06 | |
| dmj7261 | I might have without seeing the actual device. Though using it at the flagship did help with the decision. | 10:07 |
| dmj7261 | Of course I had already used the software on the PC for a month by then, so I just had a few other things to check out. | 10:07 |
| dmj7261 | Most people won't try out the Maemo SDK. | 10:08 |
| pwnguin | not without a Win A Billion Dollars in Google Stock contest | 10:09 |
| dmj7261 | At any rate, Nokia will do what Nokia will do, and they may have a plan to get actual devices on display somewhere. | 10:09 |
| pwnguin | im not sure nokia wants to do another round of n900 | 10:10 |
| dmj7261 | Most people like to at least play with the device they're going to buy before they put down $500 dollars. | 10:10 |
| pwnguin | theyve got another device planned | 10:10 |
| dmj7261 | why n900? | 10:11 |
| pwnguin | how much effort are you going to spend making a device a 'hit' and then throw it away to promote an n910 or whatever maemo6 is | 10:11 |
| dmj7261 | I'm refering to Nokia devices in general here, not just the n900 | 10:11 |
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| pwnguin | oh, well then you're being dense | 10:12 |
| pwnguin | when iphone brags about having lots of market share | 10:12 |
| pwnguin | its smartphone marketshare not general cellphone | 10:12 |
| Arkenoi | the next device will not fit for n900 users well, as if rumors are correct there will be capacitive touchscreen and no qwerty | 10:12 |
| Vratha | hmm, at that point i may just get a smartbook and el'cheapo phone | 10:13 |
| simula | i lubs my n900, just waiting for madde integration with qt-creator :) | 10:13 |
| pwnguin | its a simple fact, they sell more cheap phones than expensive ones | 10:13 |
| dmj7261 | I know several people who have an iphone (or an itouch which is equivalent for the "play for a few minutes" test). I don't know anyone else I could ask to try out their n900 | 10:13 |
| Vratha | the n900 is okay. hardware is excellent, but the software needs a lot of fixing | 10:13 |
| pwnguin | and you dont need a store front to sell expensive phones | 10:13 |
| pwnguin | err | 10:13 |
| pwnguin | cheap phones | 10:13 |
| * Arkenoi btw thinks that nokia plans are surprisingly smart. | 10:13 | |
| pwnguin | dmj7261: your subject to selection bias | 10:14 |
| Arkenoi | first, make a tablet, so it is niche PDA market and does not compete with smartphones, a thing so special so no one will blame it for being inferior to other products | 10:14 |
| dmj7261 | I know about selection bias | 10:14 |
| pwnguin | i know of one guy with an iphone | 10:14 |
| Arkenoi | then wait several years until there will be software already developed and make a phone | 10:14 |
| pwnguin | and i work at a college IT dept | 10:14 |
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| dmj7261 | how about an itouch? | 10:15 |
| pwnguin | who cares? | 10:15 |
| Vratha | Arkenoi: don't believe the marketing hype. the n900 is competing squarely against smartphones and doesn't do as good a job at it as, say, the Droid or iPhone | 10:15 |
| Arkenoi | but most of the software is not finger friendly at all, so wait another year or so until it will get adapted to capacitive screen | 10:15 |
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| Arkenoi | Vratha, why? what's wrong with it? | 10:15 |
| Vratha | Arkenoi: a lot of software bugs and lack of features | 10:16 |
| dmj7261 | I actually really enjoy the resistive screen | 10:16 |
| Vratha | don't really want to rant about it again rigth now | 10:16 |
| simula | i love being able to use the stylus with my n900... gives me precise control over an 800x480 screen | 10:16 |
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| Arkenoi | Vratha: *shurgs* not that many bugs. about lack of features - well, iphone users were tortured with lack of features for 2 years and did not complain | 10:17 |
| * pwnguin finds it annoying that iphone has a wesnoth port but not n900 | 10:17 | |
| Vratha | yeah, except now it has all those features | 10:17 |
| dmj7261 | Heck, I just enjoy being able to use my finger nail without surgery. | 10:17 |
| Vratha | and since it's considered the gold standard, you kind of have to live up to at least that | 10:17 |
| Arkenoi | now the device is just a few months on the market and there is lack of features to complain? | 10:17 |
| wazd_n801 | then do it | 10:17 |
| Vratha | and there are lots of bugs in the n900 software | 10:17 |
| simula | i have an open development platform that is a debian box, just what i was looking for :) | 10:18 |
| wazd_n801 | buy an iphone, n900 sucks | 10:18 |
| Vratha | i do have an iphone | 10:18 |
| pwnguin | here's a phone bug | 10:18 |
| wazd_n801 | then goodbye | 10:18 |
| pwnguin | I can't do tmobile carrier messages | 10:18 |
| Vratha | wazd_n801: lol | 10:18 |
| dmj7261 | when will the iphone get 3rd party repositories and a wvga screen? | 10:18 |
| pwnguin | to check prepaid minutes etc | 10:18 |
| Arkenoi | iphone being gold standard? you must be kidding | 10:18 |
| Vratha | dmj7261: don't think it'll get extra repos soon without jailbreaking, but i would guess a wvga screen is in the next iteration | 10:19 |
| dmj7261 | to a lot of people the iphone is the standard to compete against | 10:19 |
| thresh | a lot of people are stupid | 10:19 |
| dmj7261 | Would certainly hope iphone gets wvga...it has a really blurry screen. | 10:19 |
| wazd_n801 | a lot of people think that cow is a saint animal | 10:20 |
| Arkenoi | dmj7261, "for some people a horse is a suitable bride" (russian proverb ;-) | 10:20 |
| pwnguin | wazd_n801: it's also delicious! | 10:20 |
| Vratha | dmj7261: yeah, it could be better. for me i don't notice it much, because i stick mainly to text-based games and apps | 10:20 |
| dmj7261 | I'm not saying I agree with those people. | 10:20 |
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| dmj7261 | You notice the difference whenever there's video, pictures, or webpages on the screen. | 10:21 |
| pwnguin | its odd to me to see so many russians | 10:21 |
| pwnguin | in this channel | 10:21 |
| Vratha | dmj7261: yeah, the video and pictures do suck next to a higher res device | 10:21 |
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| Arkenoi | text looks like shit on the iphone | 10:22 |
| wazd_n801 | pwnguin, soon we'll be at your door :D | 10:22 |
| Arkenoi | low dpi+aa -> blur | 10:22 |
| Vratha | eh, if that's the only bad thing going against the iphone until they release a new iteration, i'd say that's not so bad | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | morning wazd_n801 | 10:22 |
| Vratha | i personally want multitasking on the iphone | 10:22 |
| dmj7261 | n900 has a very crisp picture, though I can still see the individual pixels if I look for them. | 10:22 |
| Vratha | that annoys the hell out of me, and the jailbreaking solution kind of sucks | 10:22 |
| wazd_n801 | Stskeeps, noon) | 10:23 |
| * Arkenoi wonders why there are so many people who claim that iphone screen is "awesome", "excellent", etc. | 10:23 | |
| dmj7261 | Multitasking and app store alternatives that don't require jailbreaking. | 10:23 |
| ifreq | what about physical keyb? | 10:23 |
| Arkenoi | for me physical keyboard is a must | 10:23 |
| Vratha | i would love a physical keyboard, but only for ssh'ing to other places. i guess that's not a big priority for most people | 10:23 |
| dmj7261 | physical keyboard is really nice. I don't think it's any faster for typing, but the ability to see your whole screen while typing is great. | 10:24 |
| Arkenoi | i do note taking and email much | 10:24 |
| wazd_n801 | what about shitty back | 10:24 |
| Arkenoi | dmj7261, try typing several Kb's with on-screen keyboard and you will figure out it is just not a way to do things | 10:24 |
| wazd_n801 | what about stupid screen that I need to poke every time | 10:24 |
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| Vratha | i actually type quite a bit faster on the iphone's keyboard than the n900's | 10:25 |
| Arkenoi | though n900 keyboard is not good | 10:25 |
| Vratha | yeah | 10:25 |
| Arkenoi | but it is not really bad either | 10:25 |
| Vratha | i would agree with that | 10:25 |
| Vratha | s/would// | 10:25 |
| infobot | Vratha meant: i agree with that | 10:25 |
| wazd_n801 | e63 kb is awesome | 10:25 |
| dmj7261 | the big difference is that the on screen keyboard covers up the window. | 10:25 |
| Arkenoi | Vratha, how much do you type? If you constantly take lecture notes and write documents it makes a difference. | 10:26 |
| thresh | wazd_n801: n900's is even better. True story. | 10:26 |
| Vratha | dmj7261: yeah, i have only found that to be a hassle when i ssh somewhere | 10:26 |
| wazd_n801 | I got used to it in 0.5 secs | 10:26 |
| Arkenoi | thumb boards suck | 10:26 |
| Vratha | Arkenoi: i use facebook and twitter apps on the iphone. if i had to do note taking, i'd use a computer | 10:26 |
| Arkenoi | i need 4-6 fingers to type with comfort, not 2 | 10:26 |
| Arkenoi | Vratha, i do not want to carry a computer with me | 10:26 |
| wazd_n801 | Arkenoi, you suck! :D | 10:26 |
| wazd_n801 | Arkenoi, Shahidzhanyan detected :D | 10:27 |
| Vratha | Arkenoi: don't know what to tell you then. i don't think any phone keyboard is really going to let you type all that fast | 10:27 |
| pwnguin | sadly, the n900 doesn't do hostAB, so external kbds have to be BT | 10:27 |
| Vratha | there is one feature on the n900 that i personally consider to be a "killer feature": full skype integration | 10:27 |
| Vratha | freaking love it | 10:28 |
| Arkenoi | Vratha, 9210 keyboard was amost nice. e90 was not so good, but quite acceptable | 10:28 |
| Arkenoi | thor keyboard could be perfect, but thor was cancelled | 10:28 |
| Vratha | Arkenoi: oh, i wouldn't know. i'm not familiar with many nokia devices | 10:28 |
| Arkenoi | thor looked like that: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/images/thor.jpg , circa 2000 | 10:29 |
| dmj7261 | looks like it could have been a really good phone keyboard | 10:30 |
| Vratha | hmm, that's pretty nice for a portable device. | 10:30 |
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| Vratha | but for any real, long-term note taking i'd still stick to a computer | 10:30 |
| Vratha | or at least an external keyboard | 10:30 |
| RST38h | Moo all | 10:30 |
| pwnguin | i donno | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | moin | 10:31 |
| pwnguin | that doesnt look much smaller than a netbook | 10:31 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, heya | 10:31 |
| dmj7261 | The main reason I still use my netbook at all is: tabbed browsing and the keyboard | 10:31 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 10:31 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, I'm trying to buy e63) | 10:32 |
| Vratha | i'm waiting for the asus smartbook to arrive next year. they say it'll cost less than $200 and run on an ARM cpu. i guess i'll have to see it first. probably won't buy it though, seeing as i have an n900 now | 10:32 |
| Arkenoi | vratha: i am using communicators since 1998, and i used pocket computers before that. i do not carry a bag nor i dirve a car, i prefer to go empty-handed | 10:32 |
| Vratha | but if i iddn't have an n900, i'd probably be all over it | 10:32 |
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| Arkenoi | what is the "safe" dac volume "percentage" so i won't damage builtin speakers? | 10:35 |
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| sayjava_ | hello peeps, is it possible to flash the n900 with android? | 11:02 |
| dmj7261 | technically, it would be | 11:03 |
| dmj7261 | nobody has though | 11:03 |
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| sayjava_ | dmj7261:it would be an interesting thing to see | 11:06 |
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| luke-jr | sayjava_: would it? | 11:12 |
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| luke-jr | does anyone actually *like* Android? XD | 11:12 |
| RST38h | it's all relative | 11:12 |
| sayjava_ | luke-jr: not much about liking but just thinking about the possibility tech-wise | 11:13 |
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| sayjava_ | luke-jr:http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/27/vmware-mvp-weds-windows-ce-and-android-in-unholy-matrimony-on-du/ | 11:18 |
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| luke-jr | sayjava_: definitely an april fools day joke | 11:20 |
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| dmj7261 | don't think so | 11:22 |
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| sayjava_ | its a real product shipping soon from vmware | 11:23 |
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| sayjava_ | and its inevitable giving the power these phones now have | 11:23 |
| furunk3l | morning everyone | 11:24 |
| RST38h | Not sure what the goal of such a product is though | 11:25 |
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| bigbrovar_ | applications I look forward to seeing a maemo5 port. gthumb,abiword,rhythmbox, choqok | 11:59 |
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| luke-jr | bigbrovar_: you're porting all those? nice | 12:02 |
| bigbrovar_ | luke-jr: which I knew how to program | 12:02 |
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| luke-jr | bigbrovar_: easy to learn; in the meantime, wd on packaging those apps... not programming, but still pretty good ;) | 12:05 |
| bigbrovar_ | luke-jr: there was a gthumb,abiword, and rhythmbox port for maem4 | 12:05 |
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| bigbrovar_ | luke-jr: I can do the packaging part.. its the UI design part that I cant do :( | 12:06 |
| bigbrovar_ | luke-jr: cus its not just about packaging | 12:06 |
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| luke-jr | bigbrovar_: no need for UI changes, I'm sure | 12:07 |
| luke-jr | might not work as nice as one might expect, but it should still be usable | 12:08 |
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| bigbrovar_ | luke-jr: well I rather it is properly Hiddonized .. nothing i hate more than an app that doesnt follow the UI guidelines of maemo5.. you also have to consider optification .. (although that could be taking care of during compile) | 12:09 |
| luke-jr | better than nothing | 12:09 |
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| guardian_ | hi | 12:18 |
| luke-jr | hi | 12:19 |
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| guardian | i just discovered the MADDE project, is it going to replace scratchbox? | 12:20 |
| Hukka | err... all my stausbar applets have disappeared | 12:20 |
| RST38h | probably not | 12:20 |
| Hukka | what could cause that? | 12:20 |
| Hukka | (maemo 5) | 12:21 |
| andre__ | guardian, I think Nokia themselves don't know the future yet, but currently it's not planned to replace Scratchbox (but instead move to SB2) | 12:21 |
| andre__ | Hukka, a crash of hildon-statusbar-menu for example | 12:21 |
| Hukka | hmm. the standard buttons are still there. crash wouldn't affetc those? | 12:22 |
| Hukka | ps shows two hildon-staus-menus running | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | guardian: no, it's just a cross-compiler that doesn't replace a debian build environment | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | it is a subset of a debian build environment for a certain purpose | 12:23 |
| guardian | ok | 12:26 |
| luke-jr | it wants to make me pizza | 12:27 |
| luke-jr | guardian: I like pizza. | 12:27 |
| guardian | it's just that the wiki page states Linux also | 12:27 |
| guardian | that's why I wondered whether it would replace sb | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | guardian: it is mostly suitable for building qt applications and tiny libs without autoconf | 12:28 |
| guardian | ok | 12:28 |
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| jpe | luke-jr:about you're android remarks: one big advantage, the calendar app syncs with google calendar out of the box... | 12:31 |
| luke-jr | jpe: who uses that? :P | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | vendor tiein++ | 12:32 |
| guardian | thx for the answers | 12:33 |
| jpe | luke-jr: euh,,, give me an alternative ... | 12:35 |
| luke-jr | jpe: sorry, I use my own homegrown scripts | 12:35 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | The sunlight glaring through my window would seem to indicate that. | 12:44 |
| lardman | :) | 12:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Woo - apt-get install lynx works. | 12:49 |
| Corsac | all xkcd fans, please vote for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7377 :) | 12:50 |
| povbot | Bug 7377: image tooltips are truncated | 12:50 |
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| andre__ | Corsac, that report misses information | 12:54 |
| andre__ | Corsac, that's why it says "(Explain in detail what you do (e.g. tap on OK) and what you see)" | 12:55 |
| Corsac | are you kidding? | 12:55 |
| andre__ | no. | 12:55 |
| andre__ | e.g. you don't mention cursor mode. | 12:56 |
| andre__ | be exact. | 12:56 |
| Wolfie | suure he does | 12:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there any way to select the URL of an image. | 12:56 |
| Wolfie | 1. run browser | 12:56 |
| Wolfie | 2. to to xkcd.com | 12:56 |
| Wolfie | 3. display tooltip with cursor | 12:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm sure I did it once, and can't find again | 12:56 |
| andre__ | wolfie, yeah. and the last one is vague and does not explain *HOW* to do that. | 12:56 |
| fcrozat | Corsac: hehe, I saw this bug too.. /me votes | 12:56 |
| Corsac | I can explain how to use cursor mode but I have to admit I'm expecting the browser devs to know it | 12:56 |
| Wolfie | andre__: i really hope you're just a troll, and not in the dev team | 12:57 |
| andre__ | Corsac, that's true. but there's also triagers trying to reproduce issues. | 12:57 |
| andre__ | Wolfie, you completely miss the point. congrats. | 12:57 |
| Wolfie | andre__: i think you need to be more precise with your information. Please explain which point I have missed, and by how much | 12:58 |
| andre__ | Corsac, in this specific case there's only one way to activate cursor mode. However for a lot of functionality there's two or three ways. hence I ask for being exact so it's easier to reproduce issues... | 12:58 |
| andre__ | Wolfie, point 3 does not explain how to activate cursor mode. clear enough? | 12:58 |
| Arkenoi | everyone knows how to activate cursor mode | 12:59 |
| furunk3l | what is cursor mode? | 12:59 |
| Arkenoi | there is no need to describe it further | 12:59 |
| andre__ | Arkenoi, no. | 12:59 |
| furunk3l | just kidding :) | 12:59 |
| Wolfie | andre__: i think i should introduce you to one of our company's dev teams. they appreciate such nit picking, and being completely unable to be grateful that someone has taken their time to report an issue, albeit "vaguely" | 12:59 |
| fcrozat | Arkenoi: well, you need to watch the various videos first :) | 12:59 |
| * Stskeeps passes andre__ a christmas beer | 12:59 | |
| fcrozat | I know I didn't and missed some gestures for some time :) | 12:59 |
| andre__ | Wolfie: no problem. continue filing vague reports and simply don't wonder why they end up closed as WORKSFORME then | 12:59 |
| andre__ | instead of getting FIXED. that's life. | 13:00 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, cheers :) | 13:00 |
| Corsac | thought there is a difference between nitpicking and bad faith | 13:01 |
| andre__ | Corsac, :) also true | 13:01 |
| Wolfie | andre__: i wish you all the best on growing a successful community. | 13:01 |
| andre__ | don't get me wrong. I do understand your report. But for testers and developers it's really helpful to provide a braindead how-to as some people *are* very lazy. | 13:02 |
| andre__ | Wolfie, thanks a lot. You're welcome to help with that :) | 13:02 |
| fcrozat | andre__: just wondering : is it possible to select text in modest with finger ? | 13:02 |
| fcrozat | I tried but failed | 13:02 |
| fcrozat | and since there is no "cursor mode" in modest... | 13:02 |
| lardman | Wolfie: I'm afraid I've got to agree with andre__ there, which tooltip are you talking about? | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | copying text from emails is copyright infrigement, fcrozat ;) | 13:03 |
| lardman | the one on the main image presumable? | 13:03 |
| lardman | s/e/y | 13:03 |
| fcrozat | Stskeeps: I wanted to remove quoted text :) | 13:03 |
| Wolfie | lardman: sorry, it's not my ticket in question. You'll need to ask Corsac | 13:03 |
| lardman | ok, np | 13:03 |
| * andre__ wonders whether we talk about alt or title here | 13:04 | |
| Wolfie | lardman: but, i'd imagine it's the tooltip over the XKCD comic strip. Any developer not knowing the XKCD tooltip really needs to do a re-check on their nerd'o'meter | 13:04 |
| andre__ | fcrozat, editor? viewer? | 13:04 |
| fcrozat | andre__: editor.. If you want to remove the "bottom" quoted text when you reply to a mail :) | 13:05 |
| andre__ | fcrozat, keyboard only I think | 13:05 |
| lardman | Wolfie: lol, but still, just adding that extra bit of info makes it completely clear | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | Wolfie: well, andre__ isn't a developer, he's a bugmaster and probably has the most rough job of all people at maemo.org employers :P | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | er, employees | 13:05 |
| fcrozat | andre__: I guess I should fill a enhancement request :) | 13:05 |
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| z5xsx]2HN | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 | 13:05 |
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| Wolfie | lardman: no arguing there | 13:05 |
| z5xsx]2HN | DCC SEND "поÉпоɦʞɔпɟ¦ÊžÐ¿Ð¾É¦ÊžÉ”пɟɔпɟ" 0 0 0 | 13:05 |
| z5xsx]2HN | DCC CHAT CALM_INTERNET_CHATTING_NOTHING_ELSE; | 13:05 |
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| andre__ | z5xsx]2HN, got problem? | 13:06 |
| andre__ | ah. | 13:06 |
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| Stskeeps | startkeylogger exploit | 13:06 |
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| Stskeeps | for people stupid enough to run norton internetsecurity | 13:06 |
| andre__ | shweet. | 13:06 |
| lardman | hmm, no pluto on the current comic | 13:06 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: nice | 13:06 |
| aquatix | 0 bytes :/ | 13:06 |
| Wolfie | lardman: stabbing in the dark here, but pluto isn't a planet anymore | 13:06 |
| aquatix | it's a planetoid | 13:06 |
| lardman | yeah I know, had hoped the geeks would refuse to conform though! | 13:07 |
| aquatix | ghehehehe | 13:07 |
| lardman | Titan, Europa, etc aren't either of course | 13:07 |
| aquatix | true, but those are famous moons | 13:07 |
| Wolfie | or perhaps he just ran out of canvas? :) | 13:07 |
| lardman | Wolfie: true | 13:07 |
| aquatix | if (running_out_of_canvas()) { enlarge_canvas(); } | 13:08 |
| lardman | I'd be tempted to bet that more people have heard of Pluto though | 13:08 |
| lardman | OOM error, Pluto is too far away! | 13:08 |
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| Hexagoon | how far is too far away? | 13:08 |
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| aquatix | lardman: what's this Planet X you're speaking about? | 13:09 |
| aquatix | :) | 13:09 |
| lardman | depends on your dpi | 13:09 |
| Hexagoon | dots per inch? | 13:09 |
| aquatix | (star)dust per infraredspectrometer | 13:10 |
| Hexagoon | aaah, i see | 13:10 |
| infected69 | hey all my n900 just got bricked when i tried to rename a file... it freezes in the startup with the 5 bubbles like in this moive -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnDdzo5kYVY do someone have a guide to get it working again.. ? | 13:11 |
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| lardman | 2.87007874e14 inches to Pluto, so lots of dots | 13:11 |
| lardman | give or take an inch or two | 13:11 |
| Wolfie | andre__: just out of curiosity, have you looked at/considered using uservoice.com? | 13:11 |
| Hexagoon | infected69: what file did you rename ? :) | 13:12 |
| infected69 | a movie file in .videoes... did it i x terminal rm n900.mp4 n900.avi and the it rebooted | 13:13 |
| andre__ | Wolfie: didn't know that one, thanks. Some time ago some folks decided to have Brainstorm for maemo.org, see http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/ | 13:13 |
| andre__ | infected69, I don't think that "rm" actually renamed those files :-P | 13:14 |
| Wolfie | andre__: no problem. Sites like stackoverflow.com used that with great success, and our company has just started getting used to it. It's great with a good community with people not bothering with nitty-gritty techical feature-request tickets | 13:14 |
| Wolfie | i'll take a look at brainstorm, haven't heard of it. | 13:14 |
| Hexagoon | infected69: you probably have to reflash it, there's a guide at the maemo.org wiki | 13:14 |
| Corsac | lardman: the first step is “go to xkcd.com” | 13:14 |
| Corsac | the second, sorry | 13:14 |
| Hexagoon | infected69: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:15 |
| Hexagoon | it think you could do it with NSU too though, a little simpler | 13:16 |
| Wolfie | weird. maemo.org isn't loding for me | 13:16 |
| Wolfie | correction, http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/ isn't loading | 13:16 |
| Hexagoon | +1 | 13:17 |
| Wolfie | neither is the [..]/community/ uri | 13:17 |
| Hexagoon | +2 | 13:17 |
| Wolfie | ok, community loaded, just takes a very long time | 13:18 |
| infected69 | thx i will try | 13:19 |
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| infected69 | hexagoon -> do i need to download "Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900" if i live in denmark? (RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin) | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | infected69: should work fine | 13:23 |
| jeremiah_ | infected69: You don't _have_ to, but you might want to. | 13:23 |
| * Stskeeps undrer sig hvor infected69 kommer fra | 13:23 | |
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| Stskeeps | morning jeremiah_ | 13:23 |
| jeremiah_ | Hey keepsie! | 13:23 |
| jeremiah_ | How are you? | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good, survived polish christmas | 13:23 |
| jeremiah_ | Excellent. :) | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | +barely | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:23 |
| jeremiah_ | Probably a few kilos heavier? | 13:24 |
| jeremiah_ | :) | 13:24 |
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| jeremiah_ | I know I am | 13:24 |
| infected69 | stskeeps -> kbh | 13:24 |
| jeremiah_ | But I did some skiing so I feel like I skied off some calories. | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: christmas eve in poland is without meat. i think i might have gotten thinner. | 13:25 |
| jeremiah_ | O_o | 13:25 |
| jeremiah_ | Really? | 13:25 |
| Myrtti | I still have some Christmas pigsie to eat :-) and carrot casserole | 13:25 |
| jeremiah_ | Wow | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | infected69: ah, was in aarhus and herning when i lived there | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: i wanted to start crying when i realized it :P | 13:25 |
| jeremiah_ | heh | 13:25 |
| jeremiah_ | The Swedish Christmas is nearly _only_ meat | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | same with denmark | 13:25 |
| Wolfie | andre__: should the brainstorm site be publicly visible? since it takes an awful lot of time to load | 13:25 |
| Myrtti | jeremiah_: surely you had lutefisk too? ;-) | 13:26 |
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| jeremiah_ | I don't do lutefisk. :) | 13:26 |
| jeremiah_ | I'm not a big fish eater. | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | they had fish in gele here | 13:26 |
| jeremiah_ | That sounds fancy | 13:27 |
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| wazd | wee, e63 is mine :) | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | well, yeah, but not a big gele fan | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: woo | 13:27 |
| andre__ | Wolfie: yeah, it's public, but the maemo.org servers suck. currently new hardware gets installed | 13:27 |
| wazd | that's a damn great phone | 13:28 |
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| wazd | not as good as n900, but still can warm my heart this new year :) | 13:29 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 13:30 |
| red | Yay I got a verdict on my iCrap complaint towards TeliaSonera. | 13:30 |
| harriv | they need beowulf cluster of n900's | 13:30 |
| red | Made a 24 month deal on iPHone and 4 devices broke inside two months :) | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | red: hardware or software? | 13:30 |
| jeremiah_ | red: wow | 13:30 |
| red | so switched to N900 and they refunded what I had paid them, it took damn 3 weeks but thank god | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | red: good choice | 13:31 |
| red | SpeedEvil: first two had wifi trouble. First device it just died, 2nd had the overheating chip | 13:31 |
| jeremiah_ | red: You're in Sweden (I assume) - so where'd you buy your N900? | 13:31 |
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| red | 3rd one had a broken microphone out of package | 13:31 |
| red | jeremiah_: Finland actually. and I reserved the phone after third device broke like month ago :) | 13:31 |
| jeremiah_ | Ah | 13:31 |
| Wolfie | andre__: ok | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | red: No, you installed fm radio on the 3rd one ;) | 13:31 |
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| jeremiah_ | TeliaSoner is in Sweden too. | 13:32 |
| red | so got it 7.12 already | 13:32 |
| red | X-Fade: talking about iPhones here actually :D | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | Ah ;) | 13:32 |
| Myrtti | *yawn* | 13:32 |
| red | Apple knows people do not want FM transmitters! | 13:32 |
| red | All in all, I do miss some of the apps, but otherwise N900 rocks 3GS hard :) | 13:33 |
| red | + the screen I miss | 13:33 |
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| red | the n900 sensitivity is ok, but would have preferred glass surface so dont need a screenguard | 13:33 |
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| Wolfie | oh, just noticed the Madde blog post. So, it's just for compilation, and doesn't play together with Esbox or Xephyr? | 13:35 |
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| Stskeeps | Wolfie: it is a thing for building qt apps and small libraries without autoconf, basically | 13:35 |
| Wolfie | red: I'm not sure whether glass works well with resistive tech :). I can imagine that the nokia hw guys remembered that capacitance doesn't work well with gloves, so the home country of finland would have very chilly hands when handling the phone | 13:35 |
| Wolfie | ...during winters, that is | 13:35 |
| Wolfie | Stskeeps: ah, ok. thanks. | 13:36 |
| red | when its -20 outside i use gloves, and i wouldnt really use my phone then :P | 13:36 |
| red | and its that cold only couple of months | 13:37 |
| red | some hybrid tech would been neat, but more expensive I guess | 13:37 |
| ifreq | i want my glass to be diamond plated | 13:37 |
| ifreq | :P | 13:37 |
| ifreq | actually im quite happy with the current resistive *g*. should get a screen protector tho. | 13:38 |
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| wazd | woo, opera mobile 10 is really nice | 13:38 |
| red | ifreq: yeh I like the screen otherwise, but just not the part of having to add a protector | 13:39 |
| ifreq | protector is a must? | 13:40 |
| red | I suck at applying them, always get some damn small dust particle or something there sticking there | 13:40 |
| ifreq | i usually dont keep it with my keys and coins :P | 13:40 |
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| red | well I don't want the screen to scratch, and from experience this type of plastic does show wear quite easily | 13:40 |
| red | glass would have been harder, so less wear :) | 13:40 |
| red | it breaks easier though, but I haven't dropped a phone in years | 13:41 |
| ifreq | yeh now you say :) | 13:41 |
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| red | read somewhere that most of iPhones taken into service are due cracked glass from dropping :) | 13:41 |
| ifreq | i once dropped iphone to concrete.. tho it was 1st gen (aluminium) so it survived quite nicely | 13:41 |
| red | gimme airplane windshield grade surface! :D | 13:42 |
| jeremiah_ | Anyone here tried Madde yet? | 13:42 |
| ifreq | red: what protector you got? i was looking for some zagg | 13:43 |
| flux | red, I don't really see understand that idea, not using phone when it's cold outside, when one regularly would use it if it were warm?-) | 13:43 |
| red | ifreq: haven't picked one yet :) | 13:44 |
| red | next week after I get some more $$ I wil | 13:44 |
| jeremiah_ | wazd: How do you zoom in on Opera 10? | 13:44 |
| wazd | jeremiah_: eh, center button :) | 13:44 |
| red | flux: cause I avoid going out and staying there if it was that cold. I do fiddle around alot with my phone outside during warmer days since for some reason I spend alot more time there too apart from just traveling from A to B asap | 13:45 |
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| flux | let's say I'm waiting for bus.. | 13:45 |
| red | I have a car :> | 13:46 |
| red | only use busses when I'm drinking | 13:46 |
| flux | yeah, they've forbidden to drive cars when drunk here as well ;( | 13:46 |
| jeremiah_ | Bastards | 13:46 |
| red | ye, fuck! | 13:46 |
| jeremiah_ | What kind of world do we live in when you can't drive dri=unk? | 13:47 |
| red | you can, just don't wanna get caught | 13:47 |
| red | har har | 13:47 |
| jeremiah_ | Or die in the process. | 13:47 |
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| wazd | http://nokiamobileblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/maemo5-preview.jpg | 13:48 |
| red | Aye but seriously. I understand the "glove" point, but I have noticed I really don't tend to pull my phone out when it's cold enough, just try to get from A to B asap, and I use buss maybe twice a month, and tend to time it so that I never have to wait more than 1-2 minutes, and I tend to smoke a cigarette before going in | 13:48 |
| wazd | oh, snap :D | 13:48 |
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| jeremiah_ | wazd: What are those? | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I've found the right gloves work ok | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | even for keyb | 13:49 |
| infected69 | wee itworking again.... 2 bad my backup is 2 weeks old :/ | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | admittedly, they aren't my warmest gloves. | 13:49 |
| jeremiah_ | Oh - just themese, meh | 13:49 |
| red | and my gloves are the sort where the fingertips are cut open :) | 13:49 |
| wazd | jeremiah_: E and N series themes in maemo style | 13:50 |
| jeremiah_ | Sexy. | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | but I often use it with stylus - which I've lost again. | 13:50 |
| red | since I like to drive with them and would be too slippery otherwise | 13:50 |
| jeremiah_ | wazd: Cool | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | with gloves | 13:50 |
| red | SpeedEvil: my stylus has been on an adventure for a week now | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | 7 euro! Madness. | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | The lack of 3 styluses in the pack is a dealbreaker. | 13:50 |
| red | cost of a new stylus? :P | 13:50 |
| wazd | e63 stock themes are godawful | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 13:50 |
| red | hehe | 13:51 |
| red | you could mold and build ur own for that price | 13:51 |
| red | given you had the access to the gear somewhere | 13:51 |
| red | i mean alot of em :D | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually. | 13:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | shapeways.com | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | it'd be a lot less than 7e | 13:51 |
| red | hehe | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | and you could make the end a little penguin. | 13:52 |
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| red | so u send a 3D model there and they do it for u? | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 13:52 |
| red | damn :) | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.shapeways.com/model/67037/scarab_2.html | 13:52 |
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| red | gotta bookmark | 13:52 |
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| Miihkail | good carrying case is all you need to keep screen healty imho...else depends on user | 13:55 |
| * RST38h moos again | 13:56 | |
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| lbt | hey, andre__ is osso-wlan 3.0.14+0m5 source available? | 13:57 |
| woglinde | lbt dont think so | 13:57 |
| andre__ | lbt, context? :-) | 13:57 |
| woglinde | like icd2 | 13:57 |
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| lbt | bug 6416 | 13:57 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416 Wifi won't connect until rebooted... | 13:57 |
| andre__ | lbt, if it's not in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/ - no. | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/o/osso-wlan/ has 3.0.6 | 13:58 |
| woglinde | hm | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | what's it on PR1.0? | 13:58 |
| woglinde | okay | 13:58 |
| woglinde | let me see | 13:58 |
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| woglinde | osso-wlan 3.0.6+0m5 | 13:58 |
| lbt | presumably the source should be available though... /me checks gitorious | 13:59 |
| woglinde | hm should I open a whishbug for applet which can invidual enable or disable wlan/gsm/gps/bt ? | 13:59 |
| WM-Sef | how do I extract a rootfs.jffs2? | 13:59 |
| woglinde | wm-sef search google | 14:00 |
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| WM-Sef | done that ;) | 14:00 |
| WM-Sef | but all the methods I found | 14:00 |
| woglinde | you have to emulate mtdblock on desktop pc | 14:00 |
| WM-Sef | yeah | 14:00 |
| WM-Sef | with script of maemo wiki | 14:00 |
| WM-Sef | it gives | 14:00 |
| WM-Sef | error reading superblock :-s | 14:00 |
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| lbt | oh, andre__ sorry I missed your request for a syslog in that bug :( | 14:02 |
| andre__ | hehe :-) | 14:03 |
| andre__ | np | 14:03 |
| lbt | I'll add a request for the source to the bug... | 14:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Has anyone successfully paired a bt keyboard? | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I get the pairing dialog - enter the passcode - and it says failed | 14:05 |
| squidd | phail | 14:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya | 14:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: time to steal your emulators :D mooohahaha! :D | 14:06 |
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| konttori | Hey, I have been using pygtkeditor now for a day for editing qml files on the device -> totally rocks! Now, if only the execute button would open qml files with qmlviewer by default, that would be even better. | 14:08 |
| wazd | wow! Pidgin for symbian! | 14:10 |
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| red | pidgin sawks | 14:16 |
| wazd | that's fake I guess :( | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kewl. Epic fail on watching videostreams from 26C3. From 'file not found' to 'codec not supported' to mere frigging segv of all browser windows (plus mediaplayer I assume) | 14:21 |
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| joppu | * | 14:33 |
| joppu | And this is why you should always use mplayer for video playback instead of any fancy "multimedia frameworks": | 14:34 |
| joppu | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7327 | 14:34 |
| povbot | Bug 7327: Xvid encoded videos unwatchable | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have an issue with xvid though | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | only some | 14:35 |
| ShadowJK | It's either qpel or gmc | 14:35 |
| ShadowJK | I bet the decoder can't handle gmc | 14:35 |
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| ruskie | djmount+xmms2+mplayer :) | 14:37 |
| ruskie | and I have all I really need for my media needs :) | 14:37 |
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| infected69 | what is the best picture resolution for pictures used in the phonebook? | 14:38 |
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| ShadowJK | oh ok, that screenshot doesn't look like gmc/qpel fail | 14:39 |
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| joppu | It's probably some "obscure" encoding option they decided not to support | 14:42 |
| ShadowJK | Hm. I wonder if I have xvid installed | 14:43 |
| javispedro | a big green square doesn't look like a missing "obscure" stream feature? | 14:43 |
| joppu | I'd be still kinda nice to have DSP accel for xvid | 14:43 |
| joppu | javispedro: I mean that the video is encoded in "nonstandard" way | 14:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: can you advise some IRC good symbian IRC client? | 14:46 |
| joppu | PyTTY | 14:46 |
| javispedro | hmm.. | 14:46 |
| javispedro | xvid encoded with ffmpeg/libxvid works for me | 14:46 |
| joppu | *PuTTY | 14:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: Putty | 14:47 |
| wazd | derp | 14:48 |
| wazd | something more user friendly maybe? :D | 14:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: I do suggest saving a bit more money for n900 though: e63 only has 320x240 screen | 14:48 |
| Wolfie | wazd: mIRGGI was my favorite | 14:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: too late :) | 14:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: it has 320x240 but (shame on you Nokia) 18 bit :P | 14:49 |
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| Wolfie | but i mostly used putty to access my primary irc/shell acount | 14:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: yes, well known =) | 14:49 |
| joppu | Putty with irssi is actually pretty user friendly when you get used to it. Most inportant of all, it's powerful | 14:50 |
| Wolfie | joppu: otoh, word is also pretty user friendly, once you get used to it. | 14:51 |
| Wolfie | so is gentoo | 14:51 |
| RST38h | moooooar pooooooooooooooooar | 14:51 |
| Wolfie | joppu: i'm afraid "once you get used to it" is incompatible with "user friendly". Software that never become user friendly in that sense is just user hostile, and failures in their own right ;) | 14:52 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, well it could be, if it just gave up at first point where it couldn't decode | 14:52 |
| ShadowJK | packed B frames in avi vs nonpacked is another issue I guess | 14:52 |
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| Macer | awesome | 14:54 |
| Macer | startkeylogger? wtf? :) is that an actual app? | 14:55 |
| javispedro | jaja | 14:55 |
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| javispedro | hi wazd_e63 :) | 14:55 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | hi,how to set subtitles in kmplayer? | 14:55 |
| wazd_e63 | ooops | 14:55 |
| wazd_e63 | Too small font) | 14:55 |
| Macer | how to update kde2 in fbsd? | 14:56 |
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| wazd_e63 | ah, that's better) | 14:56 |
| wazd_e63 | It can multitask) | 14:58 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | hah | 14:58 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | so,the subs? | 14:59 |
| joppu | LuciusMare_n900: try naming the str/sub/ass/ssa file with the same filename as the vidya file | 14:59 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ok | 14:59 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | htanks | 15:00 |
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| Wolfie | wow... using the mirror app, i noticed that the camera produces a black band about one fifth of the screen all the way to the right | 15:01 |
| javispedro | Wolfie: same as mine | 15:01 |
| thresh | same here too | 15:01 |
| javispedro | *sound of collective relief* | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | it's just not kernel calibrated right | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:02 |
| Wolfie | so, is that a type fault, or something the app should profile for? | 15:02 |
| Wolfie | right... | 15:02 |
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| Wolfie | is the camera really that poor quality, or does the app just pixelate it like that? | 15:02 |
| Wolfie | both ISO and resolution wise | 15:02 |
| ifreq | best pics ive had are outside on sunshine | 15:03 |
| Wolfie | ifreq: yeah, they usually are | 15:04 |
| Wolfie | applies to any digital camera | 15:04 |
| kamui | speaking of the front cam | 15:05 |
| kamui | are there any video support for any of the IP calling apps? | 15:05 |
| kamui | you can see how that sentence kind of morphed from one line of questioning into another | 15:06 |
| kamui | my 900 is on the truck for delivery :) | 15:06 |
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| ifreq | kamui not yet imo | 15:08 |
| ifreq | would assume skype atleast support it in distant .future | 15:08 |
| kamui | didn't skype support video on the N800? | 15:09 |
| ifreq | no idea | 15:09 |
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| kamui | not that its a dealbreaker or anything, but I havne't ever been able to use my front cam on any of my nokia phones for anything since there is no video call support in the US yet | 15:10 |
| kamui | I wonder why no one takes advantage of that | 15:10 |
| thresh | nokia folks this line is fixed in driver in PR1.1 | 15:10 |
| thresh | nokia folk says i mean | 15:10 |
| kamui | in their mobile apps that have video support in the desktop | 15:10 |
| javispedro | PR1.1 is the one that comes with "videocalling"? | 15:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | I did some streaming from the front cam over wifi. | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Worked. | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | mencoder + netcat | 15:16 |
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| ShadowJK | OK, it doesn't really liked packed b frames. Low framerate, but watchable | 15:21 |
| ShadowJK | With qpel enabled, I get distortion in moving areas. It doesn't handle qpel | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | no wait, that was qpel+gmc-nopacked | 15:23 |
| ShadowJK | yeah just qpel is fine | 15:23 |
| ShadowJK | gmc however isn't.. but I don't get the green distortion | 15:23 |
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| ShadowJK | only newbies use gmc though, it's hardly ever any gain and has poor decoder compatibility :-) | 15:25 |
| wazd | RST38h: lets test VGBA :) | 15:25 |
| pupnik | svn checkout https://open2x.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/open2x/trunk/libs/SDL-1.2.9 | 15:27 |
| ShadowJK | (and packed bframes are a nonstandard hack to work around broken windows dshow system) | 15:27 |
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| wazd | errr | 15:35 |
| wazd | where can I locate received via BT file? | 15:35 |
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| andre__ | anybody running 1.2009.42-11 who can tell me whether in the User Guide the section "User Guide > Basic Use > Text input > Switch keyboard layout" mentions Control+Space? | 15:39 |
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| ShadowJK | andre__, timeless posed a better challenge a few weeks ago. Can you find the user guide? :-) | 15:40 |
| andre__ | ShadowJK, harhar... File Manager > N900 > Documents > User Guides | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | i think there were 2 people who had found them ;) | 15:42 |
| andre__ | still, if anybody could answer my question it would be cool :) | 15:43 |
| ShadowJK | yeah it does | 15:43 |
| ShadowJK | "Switch between input languages\nPress the ctrl and spce keys simultaneously. This also switches the language for the virtual keyboard." | 15:43 |
| Shadikka | umm, lolwtf | 15:44 |
| ShadowJK | ? | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wazd: as this is part of the big bluepill conspiration, I sugest you try ``find / -name "<*part-of-yur-filename>*" '' | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | Shadikka: idiot who assumes #maemo people run norton internet security | 15:45 |
| Shadikka | ah, I see. | 15:45 |
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| andre__ | ShadowJK, thanks a lot | 15:46 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer: nah, I'm about Symbian v3 | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: Symbian definately needs updated artwork, i mean.. look at their LSD-induced stuff | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh. LSD is mega-OUT | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 15:47 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yeah, their default "business styled" themes are "oh my" | 15:48 |
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| jeremiah_ | andre__: Yeah, it seems that ctl-space doesn't work | 15:48 |
| jeremiah_ | Even though it says "input language switched." | 15:48 |
| jeremiah_ | nothing changes | 15:48 |
| jeremiah_ | weird. | 15:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: wifi receiption is weaker than n800's btw | 15:49 |
| ShadowJK | i suspect you need to have two languages setup | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: seen eli skipp? 26c3 talk? | 15:49 |
| andre__ | jeremiah_, another bug, already filed | 15:49 |
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| jeremiah_ | andre__: Ah, okay. :) | 15:49 |
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| kamui | crazy question | 15:51 |
| wazd | and the most ridiculous thing is ofcourse no dataable in box | 15:51 |
| wazd | cable* | 15:51 |
| kamui | can the N900's transmitter be used in call | 15:51 |
| kamui | ? | 15:51 |
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| kamui | I read somewhere that the transmitter is turned off when the phone is charging too, which makes no sense, so I started wondering if it shuts off in a phone call | 15:52 |
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| ShadowJK | wazd, eh? | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | there was datacable in my box.. | 15:55 |
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| wazd | ShadowJK: no cable for e63 | 15:56 |
| ShadowJK | oh :) | 15:56 |
| wazd | ShadowJK: "budget" stuff | 15:56 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah e63 is the retarded cousin of e71, iirc :) | 15:56 |
| wazd | well, keybard is better, tactile feelings are better :) | 15:57 |
| wazd | not so retarded as it tended to be :) | 15:57 |
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| ShadowJK | I thought it was the same as e71 except made entirely out of plastic, and cheaper radios :) | 15:57 |
| bigbrovar_ | ShadowJK: and e72 > e72 < N900 | 15:57 |
| ShadowJK | two e72? | 15:58 |
| wazd | ShadowJK: no, they are a bit different | 15:58 |
| bigbrovar_ | ShadowJK: sorry e71 > e72 < N900 | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | how come e71 > e72? | 15:58 |
| bigbrovar_ | ShadowJK: ooh heck e72 > e71 < N900 | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 15:59 |
| wazd | ShadowJK: e71 is too expensive for what it does | 15:59 |
| bigbrovar_ | ShadowJK: I really should stop drinking :p | 15:59 |
| ShadowJK | My E75 is currently sitting as modem.. | 15:59 |
| kamui | so | 15:59 |
| kamui | are you saying the E72 and N900 are on equal ground? | 15:59 |
| kamui | or uncompareable | 15:59 |
| ShadowJK | come on, it's symbian, it loses by default | 16:00 |
| bigbrovar_ | am saying N900 is greater .. I have all 3 | 16:00 |
| wazd | E72 is a bit overkill :) | 16:00 |
| kamui | soo, N900 > E72 > E71 | 16:00 |
| ShadowJK | unless you need mfe and those things | 16:00 |
| kamui | I had an E90 for about a week | 16:00 |
| kamui | might have kept it too if at the time there was something it could run | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | E90 is very weird, in the sense that it actually got bugfixes for more than 6 months after sale ;p | 16:02 |
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| kamui | heh, after the N95 and the N80 burned me | 16:02 |
| kamui | I refused to buy another symbian phone | 16:02 |
| Macer | man if zimbra would fix 2 damn things then it would be awesome | 16:03 |
| Macer | well. 1 really. the second one i am being selfish :) | 16:03 |
| flux | shadowjk, yeah. I wonder how things will be with n900 ;-). | 16:03 |
| kamui | I know they're in teh business of selling hardware, but its shite that they never offer OS upgrades to faithfulls who like their devices | 16:03 |
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| ShadowJK | qwerty, putty, irc client and opera mini was adequate for me while waiting for n900 | 16:03 |
| kamui | I have a scary feeling that the N900 will not see the light of Maemo 6 | 16:03 |
| Macer | like the n810 will not see the light of maemo5? :) | 16:04 |
| kamui | but its such a great device for me, Im keeping it | 16:04 |
| Macer | mer will fix that heh | 16:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: you did see the recent 3d driver movement on n8x0? :P | 16:04 |
| Macer | you got it working? | 16:04 |
| kamui | I looked a little at Mer, looks pretty cool | 16:04 |
| bigbrovar_ | Macer: well there is always the mer project to help out | 16:04 |
| flux | I have a feeling that n900 already has a significantly larger developer base than n[78]xx ever had, though | 16:04 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: where? i'd love to see a video if you have one. actual 3d accel stuff? | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | compared to a year ago with Mer, we're much better in shape to take on supporting n900 when nokia gives up though :P | 16:05 |
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| Macer | might have to dust the old n810 off and use it if you got the gles stuff going | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: still work in progress but we have stuff rendering.. | 16:05 |
| Macer | woah. sounds good :) awesome | 16:05 |
| Macer | what kind of timeline are you looking at to actually do stuff with it? | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | Nokia N800/N810/N810 OpenGL ES 1.1 driver teaser screenshots: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=443213&postcount=369 | 16:06 |
| Macer | like integrate it into the ui? :) | 16:06 |
| kamui | what graphics chipset is in the N810? | 16:06 |
| kamui | I didn't know it had 3D acceleration capabilities | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: working on it | 16:06 |
| Macer | you are using the maemo5 ui now right? | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | kamui: PowerVR UI | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | err | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | MBX | 16:06 |
| bigbrovar_ | kamui: Macer: Stskeeps: I tot I heard that the hardware acceleration drivers for the N810 would soon be opensources | 16:07 |
| siriusnova | man the battery life sucks on the n900 | 16:07 |
| siriusnova | i need a extended battery like about now | 16:07 |
| siriusnova | :| | 16:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: is there any way to remap keys in Symb VGBA? :) | 16:07 |
| Macer | damn that's awesome Stskeeps | 16:07 |
| bigbrovar_ | siriusnova: u can say that again | 16:07 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: nice work! | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | bigbrovar_: open source kernel drivers, closed source libs. | 16:07 |
| bigbrovar_ | siriusnova: am always charging the thing | 16:07 |
| Macer | seems like you're still running the older maemo4 hildon stuff :) | 16:07 |
| siriusnova | bigbrovar_ same | 16:07 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: that's from someone using it on maemo4 | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | not mer | 16:07 |
| Macer | as far as the desktop goes on the n810? | 16:07 |
| Macer | ah i see | 16:07 |
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| Macer | you're making me anticipate the day mer will be off to the races ;) | 16:08 |
| kamui | siriusnova how many hours are you getting with heavy use | 16:08 |
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| siriusnova | kamui - like 4 | 16:08 |
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| siriusnova | lol | 16:08 |
| kamui | 3g? | 16:08 |
| Macer | since maemo5 seems rather nokia only devices | 16:08 |
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| siriusnova | the moment i pop on 3G i see the battery level go down a notch | 16:08 |
| siriusnova | lol | 16:08 |
| Macer | tmzt was talking about getting mer going on a G1 heh | 16:08 |
| siriusnova | yes 3G | 16:08 |
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| Macer | that would be pretty awesome too. said he was working on phone functionality | 16:09 |
| kamui | good thing | 16:09 |
| kamui | Im in the US on At&t | 16:09 |
| kamui | I'm counting on good battery life with edge and wifi only | 16:09 |
| kamui | :) | 16:09 |
| Macer | kamui: you poor bastard :) | 16:09 |
| Macer | hahha | 16:09 |
| siriusnova | 3G rapes the battery on the N900 | 16:09 |
| siriusnova | its amazing | 16:09 |
| kamui | Ill live, I never use 3g | 16:09 |
| Macer | 3G rapes the battery on anything :) | 16:09 |
| kamui | im always in wifi coverage | 16:09 |
| Termana | Macer - that would be a Good Thing. No one wants to have to live with Android on their phone. | 16:09 |
| siriusnova | Macer - not on my HTC Hero Android :P | 16:09 |
| kamui | but on a good note, I was looking at some of the mugen batteries | 16:09 |
| kamui | I heard the N97's battery fits the N900 | 16:10 |
| Macer | Termana: yeah. android kind of sucks | 16:10 |
| siriusnova | they make mugen batteries for the N900? | 16:10 |
| Termana | Thats like cruel and unusual punishment | 16:10 |
| siriusnova | link | 16:10 |
| kamui | not yet | 16:10 |
| Macer | the way they made it just drives me up the wall | 16:10 |
| siriusnova | link | 16:10 |
| siriusnova | oh | 16:10 |
| bigbrovar_ | siriusnova: Macer: not on my Nokia E72 | 16:10 |
| Macer | like the self closing apps to save mem | 16:10 |
| Macer | and the lack of any type of command line environment | 16:10 |
| kamui | I just read a blog article from Jkk yesterday that said mugen sent him the two N97 1800mah and 4000mah batteries | 16:10 |
| Macer | no gnu apps :) and the only way to get them is some chroot debian image that kind of sucks | 16:10 |
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| kamui | so Im interested in finding out if they work | 16:11 |
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| siriusnova | I have to be honest | 16:11 |
| Termana | Macer - The whole thing is rather lack luster, I mean, it was a silly idea to make developers write programs in Java only | 16:11 |
| siriusnova | Nokia Symbian phones are pretty rock solid | 16:11 |
| kamui | the 1800 doesn't have a different form factor, but the 4000 needs one | 16:11 |
| Macer | Termana: not java | 16:11 |
| Macer | dalvik :) | 16:11 |
| kamui | new battery cover | 16:11 |
| Macer | fake java haha | 16:11 |
| kamui | siriusnova Im totally in agreement | 16:11 |
| Macer | whoever brainstormed that one should be shot | 16:11 |
| kamui | minus their quick aging | 16:11 |
| kamui | they're pretty nice | 16:12 |
| siriusnova | kamui - i have a Nokia 5800 XpressMusic | 16:12 |
| siriusnova | with S60 V5 | 16:12 |
| Termana | Macer - lol :P | 16:12 |
| kamui | great multitasking capabilities | 16:12 |
| kamui | Im still S60v3 | 16:12 |
| siriusnova | and its amazing how rock solid and good of a "phone" it really is | 16:12 |
| kamui | kept my N95 | 16:12 |
| Macer | Termana: not to mention the complete and utter lack of any market qc it seems | 16:12 |
| siriusnova | i was using it as a GPS all day long and it was amazing with ovi maps 3.0 | 16:12 |
| siriusnova | even in the middle of a desert :P | 16:12 |
| Macer | i don't think i've ran into an app yet that hasn't crashed | 16:12 |
| siriusnova | where I am | 16:12 |
| Macer | after a year of dev.. other than like... connectbot :) | 16:12 |
| Macer | which i have to admit is awesome | 16:12 |
| kamui | lols macer | 16:13 |
| Macer | i have been waiting for like a year for a damn jabber client that actually works in android | 16:13 |
| Macer | they either crash.. or disconnect all the time... or some other thing that makes them suck | 16:13 |
| Macer | like 90% of all android apps :) | 16:13 |
| Termana | Macer - Not just Market control, it seems the phones they have it running on are lacking QA as well. The Droid anyone? Did everyone see that stupid arse Verizon bandaid | 16:13 |
| kamui | does jabber support video | 16:13 |
| Macer | kamui: xmpp does | 16:14 |
| Macer | so that would be a yes kind of :) | 16:14 |
| kamui | :) | 16:14 |
| Macer | i was just happy my zimbra server could connect to gmail contacts | 16:14 |
| Macer | i thought yahoo and aim were supposed to swap over but i suppose it's just a matter of waiting | 16:15 |
| kamui | doesn't google support msn now | 16:15 |
| Macer | haven't checked in a while though and plus people who use aim and yahoo messenger should also be shot | 16:15 |
| Macer | :) | 16:15 |
| kamui | seconded | 16:15 |
| Termana | Good night #maemo :) | 16:16 |
| Macer | heh.. Termana me too ;) | 16:16 |
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| Macer | i have to buy an n900 this week | 16:16 |
| Macer | i'm scared right after i buy it that an n910 will be out | 16:16 |
| Macer | wimax edition :P | 16:16 |
| kamui | lol | 16:16 |
| Macer | i'm kind of sad i didn't decide to buy a wimax n810 when i had the chance | 16:16 |
| Macer | now that they have coverage in chicago | 16:16 |
| kamui | shit, the N900 has only been retail for about a month and a half iirc | 16:16 |
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| Macer | kamui: heh. well. it's always about the next best thing ;) | 16:17 |
| kamui | nokia is bound to release an N900i though | 16:17 |
| Macer | maybe the n910 will have a compass | 16:17 |
| kamui | nice | 16:17 |
| Macer | n900gs? :) | 16:17 |
| Macer | with compass included? | 16:17 |
| kamui | a compass, and better camera | 16:17 |
| Macer | heh | 16:17 |
| Macer | apple made me bust out laughing with that one | 16:17 |
| Macer | "now with video" | 16:17 |
| Macer | uhm | 16:17 |
| bigbrovar_ | kamui: there would release a N900 mini or a N900 wimax edition LOL | 16:18 |
| Macer | welcome to 2001 | 16:18 |
| kamui | lol | 16:18 |
| flux | bah, second time my wlan started acting funny on n900, need to reboot it | 16:18 |
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| kamui | N900 wlan supports monitor mode and packet injection? | 16:19 |
| kamui | man, Im all over the place | 16:19 |
| kamui | with excitement :) | 16:19 |
| kamui | max of 5 hours until I have mine | 16:19 |
| kamui | damn you fedex | 16:19 |
| kamui | and your standard overnight delivery by 3pm | 16:20 |
| kamui | luckily those jerks never show up later than 1 | 16:20 |
| Macer | wow. avatar is up to $280million? | 16:21 |
| Macer | anything past $275 million is profit :) | 16:21 |
| Macer | haha | 16:21 |
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| SaBer | If I wan't to develop an application and test it on a device, is there some faster way to deploy than using dpkg-buildpackage and install the package? | 16:22 |
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| flux | saber, ..just copy the package to /tmp? | 16:24 |
| flux | uh, I mean the binary | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: sometimes i wonder if bugs i filed in the past will come swinging right back and getting assigned to myself :) | 16:25 |
| flux | like: make && rsync binary n900:/tmp && ssh n900 env DISPLAY=:0.0 run-standalone.sh /tmp/foo.bin | 16:25 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, might happen ;-) | 16:26 |
| SaBer | flux: yeah, I guess copying via some script is feasible (I'll have more than one file to copy) | 16:28 |
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| wazd | e63 screen is really good, nice angles, nice colors | 16:29 |
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| kamui | anyone develop using the scratchbox | 16:30 |
| ShadowJK | low res though :/ | 16:30 |
| ShadowJK | can't fit 80 columns on it D: | 16:30 |
| kamui | trying to figure out if its a waste of time for anything short of a widget, its extremely laggy on my system | 16:31 |
| ShadowJK | testing on scratchbox is probably pain | 16:31 |
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| kamui | well, I finally got the dev environment set up | 16:32 |
| kamui | trying to start my first project without the actual phone | 16:32 |
| kamui | and this thing is slow as balls | 16:33 |
| kamui | but my cpu isn't even spiking | 16:33 |
| kamui | granted its a 3ghz p4 | 16:33 |
| kamui | but I figured that would be faster than running a virtual on my quad core system | 16:33 |
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| ShadowJK | it's doing the 3D stuff in software | 16:37 |
| kamui | ahh, thats true | 16:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kamui: aiui no packet injection. /me not sure about monitor and even AP | 16:47 |
| kamui | I read that monitor mode does work on the N900 in the talk forums | 16:48 |
| kamui | however, there was no "proof" | 16:48 |
| kamui | no video, no screens | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: what's the funny behaviour with your WLAN? | 16:48 |
| kamui | anyhow, not a dealbreaker or anything | 16:48 |
| kamui | just trying to figure out the scratchbox | 16:48 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, the sound cuts off at times, no idea why (might not be related to wlan) | 16:49 |
| flux | although I guess it's possible that wlan and bt don't work perfectly at the same time | 16:50 |
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| flux | same band, possibly same antenna or even same chip.. | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: I managed once to completely mess DNS resolv. Possibly by messing around with BT (and PC connectivity?) | 16:51 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, agh, I misunderstood uyour question | 16:51 |
| ebtschi_work | hi | 16:52 |
| flux | so, the WLAN-issue was that there was no connectivity | 16:52 |
| ebtschi_work | some questions: | 16:52 |
| ebtschi_work | 1) has anyone here used the beagle board with maemo? | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: I had to reboot. Then BT was enabled after boot though it's been off before | 16:52 |
| ebtschi_work | 2) has anyone here used python on maemo? | 16:52 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, at a second location there were many messages about wlan support restarting itself in dmesg | 16:53 |
| ebtschi_work | 3) how fast is the typical boot time? | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51, PaulFertser: you don't know of some tool that takes a lib, takes it's exported symbols, makes stubs of them and writes out a new lib? | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | err. what's the use of that exercise? | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I wondered that back in 1992 ish | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: building against GLES1.1 libs without having them | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | and mesa doesn't have it yet as far as i can tell | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | WRT nuking all not-used funcs in libs | 16:54 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: oh, sorry, out of my knowledge area :( | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well anyway wrong address here. Paul might know | 16:54 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: and btw, Hi, nice to see you again :) | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: hi :-)) | 16:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone paired a bt keyb successfully on the default firmware? | 16:56 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: while we're at it, any news wrt usb host? Any hope at least? ;) | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not wanting to know when I do it - refusing to pair | 16:57 |
| ShadowJK | Uh, isn't it widely known that they aren't supported? | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: wish I had BT kbd | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: didn't hear anything, i've been buried in GLES1.1 for N8x0 | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: ah - I was assuming that it would do something other than simply refuse to pair. | 16:57 |
| ShadowJK | I'd try pair with N8x0 or something that supports them first, just to get an idea of the pairing procedure | 16:58 |
| ShadowJK | atleast mine is pretty fragile in the exact sequence required | 16:58 |
| PaulFertser | ShadowJK: if you need manual instructions for using bluez4, om wiki has some examples. | 16:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I've mislaid my keyb manual alas. | 16:58 |
| PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: that was for you apparently :) | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: ah | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: PaulFertser: ShadowJK: is there any need for (hid) support in BT chip itself? | 17:01 |
| ShadowJK | no | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | otherwise me would think it's jsut a matter of compiling the needed hid driver | 17:01 |
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| ShadowJK | I think the hid driver is there, probably, but the GUI doesn't know how to connect it up | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | duh | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so see paul's comment about wiki..openmoko.org a few lines above | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | Check that page for enabling hid support. | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: hey hello :-) | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: thanks for pointer | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Comes up quite often ;) | 17:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | X-Fade: OMG! THANKS! YOU HAVE SAVED MY LIFE! | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Or meh - thanks. | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Take your pick. | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | capslock? ;-P | 17:06 |
| VDVsx | DocScrutinizer, don't expect too much from the BT kb support, a lot of things doesn't work since the pc105 layout is not there by default | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well I hope that's pretty standard X domain | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmmm on a second thought... | 17:08 |
| VDVsx | in my case, after adding the complete xkb package and setting the layout, it still doesn't work, I've to investigate better, but there's someone that claims that with the pc105 it works for him | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe *some* stuff breaks | 17:12 |
| PaulFertser | X-Fade: any idea why tf the plugins were disabled? | 17:12 |
| VDVsx | DocScrutinizer51, more info here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38372&highlight=pc105 | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | VDVsx: thanks | 17:12 |
| VDVsx | X server is a new area for me, so perhaps :D | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | PaulFertser: No gui, not in spec for fremantle? | 17:13 |
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| dnaumov | yay, just unpacked my N900 and applied a zagg invisibleshield :) | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | My suspicions are we face same situation with hostmode | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Nah, this doesn't require hardware nor kernel changes. | 17:15 |
| tstaerk | Hi, I want to compile on my N810 | 17:15 |
| tstaerk | Nokia-N810-43-7:/media/mmc1# gcc-3.4 main.c | 17:15 |
| tstaerk | gcc-3.4: Internal error: Illegal instruction (program as) | 17:15 |
| tstaerk | Please submit a full bug report. | 17:15 |
| tstaerk | Send email to arm-gnu@codesourcery.com for instructions. | 17:15 |
| Veggen | I've been walking past my local cell phone dealer that's supposed to carry the N900...for the 4th time. | 17:15 |
| tstaerk | what can I do? | 17:15 |
| tstaerk | how can I find out what maemo version I have? | 17:16 |
| Veggen | It got one batch in the beginning, of a few n900s, but since then it hasn't gotten any in...supposedly sold out all over Scandinavia. | 17:16 |
| VDVsx | DocScrutinizer51, just for the record, the bluez HID stuff works pretty well, everything is received and rerouted, the problem is somewhere else (X, I suspect) | 17:17 |
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| tstaerk | I am looking at http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ to download software, but I do not know what maemo version I have or if I have os2008. | 17:18 |
| tstaerk | And I do not know what the difference is. | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | os2008 = N800, N810 | 17:18 |
| tstaerk | cool, thanks | 17:18 |
| PaulFertser | X-Fade: hm, i can't see how it justifies disabling bluez plugins but well... | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: I'm aware the BT hid is a simpler case. Still we *might* have allthe chips in place for usb hostmode and still the drivers are missing due to fremantle | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | PaulFertser: It is just a config file, don't make more out of it then it is ;) | 17:19 |
| pupnik | is anybody able to do more than BS about host-mode? | 17:19 |
| PaulFertser | X-Fade: it's just mad surprising to have bluez crippled on purpose. It would trick me and probably demand ours to understand it's just disabled. | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Then enable it in your own kernel? That is what opensource is all about, checking things out yourself. | 17:20 |
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| X-Fade | PaulFertser: The guy coding bluez works for nokia. And he created this wiki page. | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | PaulFertser: Don't search anything more behind this then, we don't need it: disable it. | 17:20 |
| PaulFertser | X-Fade: ok | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | PaulFertser: He gave a talk at the summit btw. | 17:21 |
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| VDVsx | PaulFertser, having it enabled will cause a lot of bug reports and noise :), since it's broken/not supported | 17:23 |
| PaulFertser | X-Fade: Marcel? Ok, i hope everybody enjoyed. | 17:23 |
| ShadowJK | tstaerk, where did you get your gcc from? | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | PaulFertser: About enabling these parts and playing with it. | 17:23 |
| Robot101 | X-Fade: marcel works for redhat | 17:23 |
| Robot101 | wait, intel | 17:23 |
| Robot101 | he moved this year :) | 17:23 |
| VDVsx | intel | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | Robot101: Ehm, well got paid by... | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: PaulFertser is scrutinizing the kernel about hostmode. I'm stuck with 'test custom kernel' on my todo list | 17:23 |
| * Robot101 thought one thing and typed another... :D | 17:24 | |
| kamui | if I want to get the SDL dev libraries to work with in the scratchbox, would I just do a fakeroot apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev ? | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | Robot101: hehe | 17:24 |
| VDVsx | the nokian is Johan, not marcel | 17:24 |
| kamui | or is there more to the story than that | 17:24 |
| woglinde | kamui yes | 17:24 |
| woglinde | only apt-get install | 17:25 |
| kamui | so I dont even need the fakeroot | 17:25 |
| kamui | ok sweet | 17:25 |
| kamui | or was fakeroot only for use with the arm build | 17:25 |
| woglinde | only for dpkg-buildpackage | 17:25 |
| PaulFertser | VDVsx: how is it broken then? No gui doesn't mean things are broken. Hell, many people blame bluez for the lack of any UI whatsoever, especially a decent console ui. | 17:26 |
| kamui | that is fantastic news | 17:26 |
| kamui | thanks woglinde | 17:26 |
| woglinde | any only because buildpackage is so old | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: why enable a feature by standard there's no UI for? that's not very embedded thinking :) | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: was that talk about usb hm as well? would you incidentally drop in a booth of some hw guy to ask if there is any power source for USB-VBUS at all? | 17:26 |
| woglinde | on latest debian buildpackage does fakeroot autmagicly | 17:26 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: the UI is called dbus-send and is present on any modern embedded device. | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: I'm a few K km away from there, so no. | 17:27 |
| VDVsx | PaulFertser, the pc105 layout is missing among other problems related to the X server, see my links above | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: anyway. do you enable every single switch on your linux configuration? | 17:27 |
| PaulFertser | VDVsx: not a decent excuse to disable a plugin, imho. | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | it's better to enable them when there's a feature that can enable it by itself and show UI | 17:27 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: come on bluetooth HID is something everybody expects to be enabled on a device like that. | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | Doesn't enabling the plugin advertise the capabilities too? | 17:27 |
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| PaulFertser | Anyway, gtg, thanks folks. | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: in bizzarro maemo world, maybe | 17:28 |
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| VDVsx | PaulFertser, why you want to enable it, if it doesn't fully works ? | 17:28 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, yes, people will be able to connect keyboards, and then will complain about it :) | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: it's just a sane best practice to disable drivers and free the bytes' for functions you definitely don't need (whoever is the one to decide on this 'definitely' ;) | 17:29 |
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| Miniscalope | someone know if there is a Dbus calls documentation for maemo where i can find all signals and all method calls i can send or catch?? | 17:30 |
| tstaerk | ShadowJK: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/g/gcc-3.4/ | 17:30 |
| ShadowJK | tstaerk, if you have an N810 you most likely have Maemo 4.0 or 4.1 (OS2008) (Diablo). You don't want to use packages from maemo5.0, they're compiled for newer arm processor and that's why you get illegal instruction | 17:31 |
| tstaerk | ShadowJK: great, that makes sense. | 17:31 |
| tstaerk | ShadowJK: how can I find out what maemo I have? | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Miniscalope: th5's one of the most wanted documents :-D | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | tstaerk, Settings -> Control Panel -> About Product | 17:32 |
| tstaerk | cool, I feel like a noob again | 17:33 |
| tstaerk | ShadowJK: thanks | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | what did it say? | 17:33 |
| tstaerk | ShadowJK: maemo Linux based OS2008 Version:5.2008.43-7 | 17:34 |
| ShadowJK | ok that's latest | 17:34 |
| tstaerk | what maemo do I have now? | 17:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 humms "like viihihirrrrgin...' ;P | 17:34 | |
| ShadowJK | Maemo 4.1 Diablo OS2000 ;-) | 17:34 |
| tstaerk | but it says Version 5 | 17:34 |
| ShadowJK | it lies | 17:34 |
| tstaerk | ok, ok... | 17:34 |
| ShadowJK | I'm sure | 17:34 |
| Miniscalope | DocScrutinizer51: do you know how can i know what application is on top ? | 17:34 |
| tstaerk | so do I have maemo or Os2008? | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | Same thing | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | Maemo 4 = OS2008 | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Good question. Honestly I'm a real noob on maemo based development | 17:36 |
| Miniscalope | :-S | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | tstaerk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Version_history :) | 17:36 |
| * tstaerk recovers from his "the world is evil" spirit thanks to ShadowJK | 17:36 | |
| tstaerk | so I have diablo which is a OS 2008 which is a maemo | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maemo OS2008 V5.2008.43-7 | 17:38 |
| tstaerk | what does osso3 and osso8 mean? | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | hey zerojay | 17:38 |
| zerojay | Hey | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aka diablo | 17:38 |
| kamui | jesus | 17:39 |
| kamui | setting up openssh-server in the scratchbox is taking a fucking year | 17:39 |
| kamui | freeking, pardon my language there | 17:39 |
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| ShadowJK | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames also | 17:39 |
| woglinde | kamui entropy | 17:39 |
| woglinde | but why you need sshserver inside sratchbox? | 17:39 |
| tstaerk | kamui: but it pays :) | 17:39 |
| tstaerk | woglinde: to use a real keyboard | 17:40 |
| tstaerk | sorry, was stupid | 17:40 |
| woglinde | lol | 17:40 |
| toggles_w | ptc | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | woglinde: lol. for generating the key seed? | 17:40 |
| kamui | it just forced the upgrade | 17:40 |
| kamui | I surely dont need it in teh scratchbox | 17:40 |
| kamui | but it appears to be too late to stop it | 17:40 |
| siriusnova | Needs more N900 update | 17:41 |
| siriusnova | :( | 17:41 |
| siriusnova | isnt there an N900 firmware floating around somewhere | 17:41 |
| kamui | no lie, its been setting up openssh server for about 5 minutes | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | siriusnova: in your device's NAND! | 17:42 |
| siriusnova | :| | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | siriusnova, weren't you asking yesterday too?+ | 17:43 |
| siriusnova | apart from my NAND | 17:43 |
| siriusnova | i heard there was a firmware released to testers | 17:43 |
| siriusnova | I wants it!!! | 17:43 |
| siriusnova | nope | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kamui: well if it generates a 8096bit keypair :-P | 17:43 |
| kamui | damn it | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | siriusnova: prereleases aren't released to those who want!!! it XD | 17:45 |
| wazd | wow! Picodrive is awesome! | 17:45 |
| kamui | I need to kill this | 17:45 |
| siriusnova | :? | 17:45 |
| kamui | killed the openssh-server setting up | 17:46 |
| kamui | and removed both packages | 17:46 |
| VDVsx | wazd, port it to maemo ;) | 17:46 |
| kamui | really no point, not sure why it started | 17:46 |
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| kamui | anyway, looks like I got what i wanted, sdl and sdl-image | 17:46 |
| wazd | VDVsx: yeah, I'm on it :D | 17:46 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: I can pase sega screenshot into maemo UI, that counts? :D | 17:46 |
| VDVsx | wazd, eehhe, you're the master ;) | 17:46 |
| VDVsx | wazd, for a fake, sounds good :D | 17:47 |
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| GAN900 | I wish Boxwave would release a screenprotector already. | 17:48 |
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| wazd | btw jezuschrist! Road Rash! | 17:48 |
| * fcrozat received his brando n900 protection.. need to install it | 17:50 | |
| philo | do you guys thinks it is possible to have a resistive screen with the gorilla-glass thing ? | 17:53 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: generating private key pairs on anything but the target server isn't a very good idea | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: well here the definition of 'target' was at least a lttle fuzzy :-P | 17:57 |
| jebba | hey, a friend of mine just got a new n900 and the camera application crashes on launch *every* time. Some posts in talk.m.o suggest that it is a corrupt vfat FS. But this is a non-tech user, so doing fsck from another machine is out-of-the-question (plus a lame fix). Any suggestions as to what this could be? | 17:58 |
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| X-Fade | jebba: Does he use the torch app? | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: run a fsck on N900 natively then? | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | still a lame solution. But hey iirc it's an active ticket | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm sure I saw format card under settings -> memory | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: not so for eMMC I guess | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | it seems gto have gone away | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe I imagined it | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: nah. for sure there is for unformated uSD | 18:03 |
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| Neostrider | hello there | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | neo? | 18:04 |
| Neostrider | call my strider, please ;-) | 18:04 |
| Neostrider | what up, DocScrutinizer51 | 18:05 |
| Neostrider | ? | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | call you OM? | 18:05 |
| Neostrider | OM? | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Openmoko Neo Freerunner / Neo1973 | 18:06 |
| jebba | X-Fade: no torch app (fresh install noobie, nothing weird) | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | obviously I was wrong | 18:07 |
| jebba | DocScrutinizer51: not sure abotu running fsck on teh n900, except hoping a reboot does it (which was tried). | 18:08 |
| Neostrider | DocScrutinizer51: I wish I was involved with that, but the closest thing I had with it was running it on my phone (Motorola A1200i) | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Neostrider: what? Openmoko system? on A1200? | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: I don't think boot runs fsck | 18:12 |
| Neostrider | exactly , I've tried the OM system on my phone | 18:12 |
| Neostrider | but It started overheating and I had to pull of the battery | 18:13 |
| tstaerk | I have a problem compiling: | 18:13 |
| tstaerk | Nokia-N810-43-7:/media/mmc1# gcc-3.4 main.c | 18:13 |
| tstaerk | /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ouch | 18:15 |
| ShadowJK | do you have libc-dev? | 18:16 |
| tstaerk | I cannot get it from | 18:18 |
| tstaerk | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/g/gcc-3.4/ | 18:18 |
| tstaerk | Or, differently: how do I get that? | 18:18 |
| pupnik_ | can we safely suspend browserd? | 18:18 |
| pupnik_ | it is sitting there chewing my cpu with no pages open | 18:18 |
| pupnik_ | like a bored dog | 18:19 |
| tstaerk | damn! libc is to be found under g | 18:19 |
| tstaerk | like glibc | 18:19 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 18:20 |
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| pupnik_ | gnu's not unix | 18:20 |
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| wazd | another question for symbian users, is there any app to trace WiFi signal realtime? | 18:26 |
| kamui | im having a problem building a basic sdl app in the scratchbox | 18:26 |
| kamui | keep getting the was not declaared in this scope error | 18:26 |
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| Neostrider | kamui: what is your compiler line command? | 18:27 |
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| kamui | g++ helloworld.cpp -o helloworld $(sdl-config --cflags) -L libSDL.a | 18:28 |
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| kamui | the error appears to only affect line 9, which is screen = SDL-SetVideoMode (800,480,16,SDL_SWSURFACE); | 18:29 |
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| kamui | its complaining about SDL, SDL_SWSURFACE, SetVideoMode | 18:29 |
| Neostrider | the correct is SDL_SetVideoMode | 18:29 |
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| pupnik | why link to libSDL.a | 18:30 |
| pupnik | to have it static? | 18:30 |
| kamui | man, Im a twerp, should have seen that | 18:30 |
| Neostrider | dont worry | 18:30 |
| kamui | well, this is my first shot at building an N900 app, so I was trying to avoid worrying about deps for now | 18:31 |
| Neostrider | sometimes we stare a code for too long and start making simple mistakes | 18:31 |
| Neostrider | SDL is a sure way to get a simple App running in no time | 18:31 |
| pupnik | -L/usr/lib -lSDL is what i link-in | 18:31 |
| Neostrider | pupnik: do you know anything about special g++ command line optimization swtiches for N770 and N8x0? | 18:32 |
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| pupnik | yes, select the correct cpu and arch | 18:32 |
| Neostrider | pupnik: its actually better to trust the SDL script | 18:32 |
| pupnik | k | 18:32 |
| Neostrider | (sbox doesnt do it for you?) | 18:32 |
| pupnik | echo $CFLAGS $CXXFLAGS | 18:32 |
| Neostrider | `sdl-config --cflags --libs` | 18:33 |
| kamui | man | 18:33 |
| kamui | I didn't know about --libs | 18:33 |
| kamui | and that solved everything :-D | 18:33 |
| Neostrider | great =-D | 18:34 |
| pupnik | for n800 try -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp | 18:34 |
| pupnik | maybe -fast-math | 18:34 |
| kamui | sweet | 18:34 |
| kamui | looks like it worked too | 18:34 |
| kamui | screen flashed | 18:34 |
| kamui | and then I got the window manager | 18:34 |
| kamui | well, the multitasking selector | 18:34 |
| Neostrider | I've always used -fast-math | 18:34 |
| Neostrider | kamui: device? | 18:34 |
| kamui | no, scratchbox | 18:35 |
| kamui | device should arrive in about an hour | 18:35 |
| kamui | :) | 18:35 |
| Neostrider | congrats! | 18:35 |
| Neostrider | myself, im going to buy a beagleboard very soon | 18:35 |
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| kamui | for no apparent reason I had convinced myself this was going to be an extra complex dev environment | 18:35 |
| Neostrider | pupnik: and how about the N770? | 18:35 |
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| Neostrider | kamui: it is until you get its grasp | 18:36 |
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| pupnik | http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-1330.html Neostrider | 18:37 |
| Neostrider | thanks | 18:37 |
| lardman | evening chaps | 18:37 |
| pupnik | evening lardman | 18:37 |
| Neostrider | lardman: evening | 18:37 |
| lardman | andre__: you about? | 18:40 |
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| lardman | hmm, anyone happen to remember what # the bug on app manager remembering its position in the list after an install is? | 18:45 |
| lardman | ah, 5135 fwiw | 18:46 |
| kamui | damn, the scratchbox crashes a lot | 18:46 |
| kamui | well Xephyr does anyway | 18:46 |
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| lardman | hmm, something has regressed in the past two flash images for the N900 as I now have real troubles connecting to my router | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | reboot wifi router | 18:52 |
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| lardman | yeah, getting that feeling | 18:53 |
| lardman | bbiam | 18:53 |
| lardman | hmm, /me looks for the reboot button | 18:55 |
| GAN900 | lardman, yes, VERIFIED it yesterday. | 18:55 |
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| lardman | I think it's still broken | 18:55 |
| lardman | in that it now spits you out to the "All" list rather than leaving you in whatever subsection you had chosen | 18:56 |
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| lardman | if I could actually connect to the web I'd test it again and reopen the bug | 18:56 |
| * lardman pulls the wall plug, brb | 18:56 | |
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| GAN900 | I wish it wouldn't count two APs with same SSID and different channels as separate networks. . . . | 18:57 |
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| lardman|home | re | 18:58 |
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| lardman|home | hmm, Stskeeps still troubles here, I stand by my regression commnet | 18:59 |
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| lardman|home | actually was only in the pre-Xmas image now I think about it, had all sorts of troubles trying to re-install the package list as I had to keep rebooting the N900 | 19:00 |
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| kamui | is there a quick command to kill a stopped process? | 19:10 |
| kamui | eg, if I ctrl-z a fg process, I can use bg to background it or fg to return it | 19:11 |
| kamui | how about a quick way like that to kill it | 19:11 |
| kamui | short of a kill -9 with the pid | 19:11 |
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| Neostrider | -mcpu=arm926ej-s -march=armv5 doesnt seem to make much diference for N770 | 19:15 |
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| thresh | adding random flags wouldnt help | 19:16 |
| Neostrider | thresh: what do you suggest? | 19:16 |
| thresh | -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mtune=cortex-a8 -march=armv7-a -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp could help. | 19:16 |
| zash | kamui: ^Z kill %1 | 19:16 |
| Neostrider | thresh: Nokia N770 , not Nokia N900 | 19:16 |
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| thresh | ahh | 19:16 |
| thresh | sorry | 19:16 |
| zash | kamui: %1 would be a shortcut for whatever pid of the first suspended/backgrounded process | 19:17 |
| kamui | genius | 19:17 |
| zash | kamui: if you ^Z a process it says "[1]+ Stopped" | 19:17 |
| kamui | kill -9 %1 | 19:17 |
| zash | the number in [ ] is what you use then | 19:18 |
| kamui | understood | 19:18 |
| zash | you can use them with bg/fg too | 19:18 |
| kamui | in reality, I should just code an exit routine into my misbehaving app :) | 19:18 |
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| lardman|home | bug 7315 | 19:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7315 X Terminal application icon looks ugly compared with previous versions | 19:28 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 19:29 |
| LuciusMare | could you please gently kick me into direction where can i find informations for porting apps to maemo? | 19:29 |
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| pupnik | what kind of apps LuciusMare | 19:29 |
| LuciusMare | i just need to recompile the app | 19:29 |
| pupnik | depends on what it uses | 19:30 |
| LuciusMare | the app "talk" | 19:30 |
| pupnik | is it a windows 95 app? | 19:30 |
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| pupnik | ah ok | 19:30 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/development/ | 19:30 |
| * wiretapped is at http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3507.en.html | 19:30 | |
| pupnik | cool stuff wiretapped | 19:31 |
| pupnik | fastest start is to download the vmware sdk LuciusMare then compile the hello world in it | 19:31 |
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| LuciusMare | pupnik: it's a CLI app | 19:33 |
| pupnik | if you have a working sdk, apt-get source [packagename] | 19:35 |
| pupnik | cd to the source tree root | 19:35 |
| pupnik | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b | 19:35 |
| LuciusMare | ? :o | 19:36 |
| LuciusMare | no "./configure;make;obscure ocmmands;optify;profit" ? | 19:36 |
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| LuciusMare | oh and,has ynbody ported the "netcat" to maemo yet? | 19:41 |
| * SpeedEvil wants to see netcat with finger-friendly GUI. | 19:43 | |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install netcat | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free netcat 1.10-32osso2 [67.8kB] | 19:43 |
| pupnik | there is 'socat' | 19:43 |
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| kamui | more sdl help | 19:44 |
| kamui | what do I need to include events | 19:44 |
| kamui | is there a separate SDL events-dev lib I need | 19:45 |
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| kamui | in fact, that was a stupid question | 19:45 |
| kamui | forget I asked it | 19:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ->lu | 19:45 |
| lardman|home | hmm, could of sworn I'd seen it before but can't find it now. Anyone seen where the autofocus stuff is actually passed out of gstreamer and to the hw? I'd like to try implementing this in Python | 19:47 |
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| kevloral | Hi all | 19:47 |
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| LuciusMare | wait | 19:57 |
| LuciusMare | SpeedEvil: what repository should i add? | 19:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: All of them! | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | extras at least. | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | tools is good. | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | extras-dev-random-untested | 20:01 |
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| LuciusMare | huh | 20:01 |
| LuciusMare | its not in extras | 20:02 |
| SpeedEvil | the tools repository has lots of command line stuff. | 20:02 |
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| LuciusMare | hm | 20:02 |
| LuciusMare | url and components? | 20:02 |
| SpeedEvil | see teh above wiki page | 20:02 |
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| kamui | suite! | 20:16 |
| kamui | my N900 just arrived | 20:16 |
| kamui | damn, touch is pretty sensitive for a resisitive screen | 20:16 |
| kamui | and I like the haptic | 20:16 |
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| kamui | whats the default lock code | 20:25 |
| kamui | tried 0000 1234 123456 0-9 | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | 12345 | 20:26 |
| kamui | wow, thanks | 20:26 |
| kamui | :) | 20:26 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 20:27 |
| mtnbkr | the extr "5" is for extra security :) | 20:27 |
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| kamui | anyone set up google's exchange with M4e? | 20:34 |
| kamui | MfE :) | 20:34 |
| Robot101 | it doesn't work | 20:34 |
| dnaumov | has anyone here succesfully done a sync/backup/restore of data from N95 to N900? my contacts/calender tranfer fine, but my Notes dont | 20:34 |
| Robot101 | kamui: MfE on the N900 doesn't support the right version of the server, that google provides... | 20:35 |
| Jaffa | kamui: Go via www.nuevasync.com | 20:35 |
| Robot101 | kamui: there are threads on talk.maemo.org about it but basically expect poor results, unless/until Nokia fix it up | 20:35 |
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| kamui | I read a ton on it in talk | 20:36 |
| kamui | half the comments say it works, the other half say it doesn't | 20:36 |
| kamui | so I was wondering what you guys were seeing | 20:36 |
| Robot101 | you can plug the settings in but it doesn't work, my brother tried it like 2 days ago | 20:36 |
| Robot101 | it looks like its working but syncs nothing, we found | 20:36 |
| Jaffa | kamui: As Robot101, using Google's ActiveSync service directly is flaky, but nuevasync have been working on compatibility since Sept. when timsamoff and I first tried it. Working well now. | 20:36 |
| kamui | nuevasync | 20:37 |
| kamui | haven't used that in a while | 20:37 |
| kamui | does it finally support multiple calendars | 20:37 |
| kamui | and email? | 20:37 |
| Jaffa | It merges them for the N900, but can support multiple calendars on some devices, apparently. Not tried email, but works well for calendar. | 20:37 |
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| kamui | I really mostly only care about calendar and contacts | 20:38 |
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| kamui | mail can just be simple imap | 20:38 |
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| kamui | yes, I see what you mean | 20:38 |
| kamui | just completed a sync | 20:38 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. I use IMAP for email with Gmail and NuevaSync for calendar. | 20:38 |
| kamui | and no contacts | 20:38 |
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| Arkenoi | does nuevasync copy event descriptions properly? | 20:42 |
| Robot101 | I wish there was some working SyncML | 20:42 |
| Arkenoi | yep | 20:42 |
| Robot101 | I should make a deal with mobical and get some minions to work on it or something | 20:42 |
| kamui | one more thing | 20:43 |
| Arkenoi | syncml is definitely better than activesync | 20:43 |
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| Robot101 | worth sending an e-mail tbh, actually | 20:43 |
| kamui | so im still using MfE | 20:43 |
| kamui | but with the nuevasync server settings | 20:43 |
| kamui | instead of the m.google.com settings | 20:43 |
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| Jaffa | Arkenoi: yup, although Calendar doesn't make URLs clickable. Hmm, must report that. | 20:43 |
| ruskie | well atleast calendar seems to have some idea that there are other than only local or special calendars... would be nice to see ical and syncml support | 20:46 |
| Wolfie | is there a way to sync the n900 calendar with google calendar? | 20:46 |
| luke-jr | do do do do dooooo | 20:47 |
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| toggles_w | Wolfie: mail for exchange | 20:50 |
| Jaffa | Wolfie: scroll up, it's what we've been discussing. Short answer: www.nuevasync.com's free account and Settings > Mail for Exchange | 20:51 |
| Wolfie | sorry for that. thanks | 20:51 |
| Jaffa | Wolfie: np :) | 20:52 |
| clmntch | hello | 20:54 |
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| clmntch | some ass hole tried to send me a keylogger | 20:55 |
| kamui | lol | 20:55 |
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| ruskie | actually no | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | dcc send to entire channel | 20:55 |
| clmntch | ahhh | 20:55 |
| ruskie | they were trying to disconnect people | 20:55 |
| ruskie | there was some bug in norton firewall or whatever a few years ago | 20:55 |
| ruskie | if it spoted keylogger in the string it disconnected | 20:55 |
| clmntch | heh | 20:56 |
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| ruskie | most linux chans didn't have any probs | 20:56 |
| clmntch | all of my boxes are linux, so i don't need to worry, but it still pissed me off that he/she tried | 20:57 |
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| kamui | can't believe the N900 is a linux tablet | 20:57 |
| RST38h | Moo, ShadowJK | 20:57 |
| kamui | yet it has no tab key | 20:58 |
| RST38h | no escape key is more of a problem | 20:58 |
| kamui | probably have to map a shortcut to something like shift space | 20:58 |
| kamui | yea, that too | 20:58 |
| lardman|home | hmm, thankfully Norton has plugged that bug | 20:58 |
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| lardman|home | otherwise someone is currently reading my taps | 20:58 |
| ruskie | well irssi seems to be smart enough to ignore the bad dccs anyway | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | ... | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | not just Norton | 20:58 |
| ruskie | lardman|home, actually it just disconnected you nothing else :) | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | a lot of SOHO routers too | 20:58 |
| ruskie | true | 20:59 |
| lardman|home | ah | 20:59 |
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| luke-jr | go into any major IRC channel and do it, a couple of people will likely be d/c'd | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | and you will likely get K-lined ;) | 20:59 |
| ruskie | :) | 20:59 |
| * ruskie is happy his fw is an openbsd box | 20:59 | |
| luke-jr | Freenode even has a script in #Ubuntu to K-line for it automatically :p | 21:00 |
| ruskie | I would say the better location would be #windows ;) | 21:00 |
| kamui | lol | 21:00 |
| dmz | howdy y'all; any n810 users here? i just reflashed mine and was wondering if there was any easy way to install and have root be on the flash disk; or some way to be able to use the flash for extra space; i don't install that many apps; but it fills up the tiny / partition setup pretty quick (canola alone is 100M+ w/all it's plugins) | 21:00 |
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| ShadowJK | http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 21:07 |
| kamui | I've played with pidgin in the scratchbox | 21:08 |
| kamui | however, is there a better way to get msn integrated | 21:08 |
| kamui | I like the whole systemwide integration | 21:08 |
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| kamui | or should I just be looking at jabber with transports | 21:09 |
| luke-jr | you should just refuse to use MSN | 21:09 |
| luke-jr | :) | 21:09 |
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| adeus | or use bitlbee :) | 21:10 |
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| luke-jr | -.- | 21:10 |
| K` | no way, it took me years to get everyone I know off of aim | 21:10 |
| K` | stale connection I see | 21:10 |
| luke-jr | K`: so you should have got them on to standard services, not MSN | 21:10 |
| K` | give me an example | 21:10 |
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| luke-jr | Jabber, Google Talk, Gizmo | 21:11 |
| K` | jabber wasn't going to happen | 21:11 |
| K` | too complex for some of my family | 21:11 |
| luke-jr | nonsense | 21:11 |
| K` | google talk was an option, but too much resistance | 21:11 |
| luke-jr | there's no complexity for end users any more than any other protocol | 21:12 |
| K` | well, its not really important now | 21:12 |
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| K` | what do you use luke-jr | 21:12 |
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| luke-jr | K`: I run my own private service for my family\. | 21:13 |
| RST38h | Iiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting | 21:13 |
| K` | I was referring to on your N900 | 21:13 |
| RST38h | Check this out: http://maemos.ru/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/screenshot2009122814174.png | 21:13 |
| luke-jr | which of course federates with any other standard compliant service | 21:13 |
| luke-jr | K`: I don't own a N900 | 21:13 |
| RST38h | see anything different? | 21:13 |
| luke-jr | K`: want to buy me one? | 21:13 |
| K` | lol | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, games, apps | 21:14 |
| K` | I could barely buy myself one :) | 21:14 |
| luke-jr | I have a N810 with Gentoo | 21:14 |
| zerojay | luke-jr: You know, you can just say "I run a Jabber server" instead of trying to sound like you're doing something all important-like. :) | 21:15 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Apparently, you CAN create folders in Maemo5 menus | 21:15 |
| luke-jr | zerojay: it's not Jabber. Jabber is a specific XMPP service. | 21:15 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: But it does not work very reliably, the poster reports that he has killed his device doing this | 21:15 |
| K` | man, what did I start | 21:15 |
| zerojay | Whatever. | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, it's funny they motivated it with aligning with symbian, but there you can create folders too? | 21:15 |
| zerojay | I don't care if they call it XMPP now.. it will always be Jabber to me. | 21:15 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Of cause you can | 21:15 |
| luke-jr | lol | 21:16 |
| Robot101 | Web / HTTP ~= Email / SMTP+POP+IMAP ~= Jabber / XMPP | 21:16 |
| Robot101 | the network as a whole is called Jabber too | 21:16 |
| Robot101 | jabber.org is a particular service | 21:16 |
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| zerojay | Gosh.. it's been... a loooooong time. | 21:17 |
| luke-jr | how on earth did you ~= Web/HTTP with Email/SMTP+IMAP? | 21:17 |
| zerojay | luke-jr: HTTP is called the web, just like SMTP/IMAP is called Email just like XMPP is called Jabber. | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | wb javispedro | 21:18 |
| zerojay | At least that's my interpretation of what Robot is saying. | 21:18 |
| luke-jr | zerojay: I see, in that case, I would argue that XMPP is called "instant messaging" :) | 21:18 |
| javispedro | afternoon | 21:19 |
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| Robot101 | luke-jr: not really, if you say "do you have an e-mail address?" and I give you an X.509 address which isn't a valid SMTP endpoint, you're going to think I'm an idiot :P | 21:21 |
| woglinde | *g* | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | X.509 :D | 21:21 |
| Robot101 | the other e-mail protocols are irrelevant now, whereas the same is not true for IM | 21:21 |
| Robot101 | (unfortunately) | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | x.400.. | 21:22 |
| pupnik | export SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE='0' javispedro - that might fix some things | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: you're doing that backward | 21:23 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, on the upswing? | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | and yes, I consider all non-XMPP protocols irrelevant for IM | 21:23 |
| Robot101 | luke-jr: yes, but in the real world, no. | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: in the real world, I haven't used any of the others in years | 21:23 |
| woglinde | irc is somehow im too | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | woglinde: IRC is deprecated MUC :P | 21:24 |
| Robot101 | "what's your IM address" to $random off the street could get you an MSN id, an AOL id, a google id, etc | 21:24 |
| Robot101 | so, in the *real world*, namely *not you and your friends*, this is true | 21:24 |
| javispedro | pupnik: I never had mouse problems actually... then again I don't play games but run apps and the dosbox mouse.com works fine | 21:24 |
| pupnik | javispedro: when I dpkg-buildpackage the maemo5 dosbox, is there anything i need to change to configure or setting defines? | 21:24 |
| zerojay | GAN900: Sorry, what? | 21:24 |
| javispedro | pupnik: for m5, none that I know of. | 21:24 |
| pupnik | ok | 21:24 |
| zash | Robot101: didn't aol play with xmpp? and gtalk is xmpp-ish | 21:24 |
| Robot101 | anyway, this is an utterly failing conversation. the XMPP standards foundation themselves refer to the network as Jabber. | 21:24 |
| javispedro | pupnik: for n810, DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=vfp | 21:25 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: if it's not standards-compliant, I insult them and demand they get something compliant? :D | 21:25 |
| Robot101 | so you're trying to be more catholic than the pope or something, just give it up | 21:25 |
| zerojay | Robot101: Hahaha. | 21:25 |
| pupnik | nice job making the packages work with the deb builder | 21:25 |
| javispedro | pupnik: if you can send me a nice diff I'll try to integrate your changes | 21:25 |
| javispedro | pupnik: but no prob if you don't, diffing them from my tarball should be trivial | 21:25 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: one thing I am interested in is a benchmark where the dynamic core "helps". | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: ping | 21:26 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, are you feeling less sick? :P | 21:26 |
| javispedro | I am yet to see a great speedup from it, but then all my tests are real mode | 21:26 |
| ShadowJK | '"G=Harald;S=Alvestrand;O=Uninett;P=Uninett;A=;C=no" — the unwieldiness of this addressing format is believed by many to be one factor in the lack of success of X.400.' | 21:27 |
| GAN900 | Howdy, javispedro, by the way. Good holiday? | 21:27 |
| javispedro | hiyo GAN900, of course :) | 21:28 |
| javispedro | was quite busy this month, so every holiday is appreciated | 21:29 |
| zerojay | GAN900: Yeah, finally feeling mostly better now. | 21:30 |
| pupnik | javispedro: will try to find one. the mouse click-on-tap is a broken model and will not stand though. | 21:30 |
| javispedro | hope you're all enjoying this Christmas too :) | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK++ | 21:31 |
| javispedro | pupnik: I can understand your wish; there are games where getting a pixel perfect absolute mouse is impossible | 21:31 |
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| woglinde | javispedro sure | 21:32 |
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| pupnik | every game is broken atm | 21:32 |
| javispedro | the trick is try to disable mouse acceleration ingame | 21:33 |
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| javispedro | and play with mouse speed. | 21:33 |
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| pupnik | where do you turn off mouse-acceleration ingame javispedro ? | 21:38 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: depends on game :) | 21:38 |
| javispedro | for that oldie game called "windows 3.1" it's system.ini ;) | 21:39 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 21:39 |
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| pupnik | you looked at accel and dosbox joystick yet? | 21:41 |
| javispedro | nope, doing some other stuff and then want to go back to my emu again (so near h-d scaling) | 21:42 |
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| pupnik | cool :) | 21:43 |
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| dnaumov | is the latest version of rdesktop broken? | 21:48 |
| dnaumov | it complains that it "cannot work properly as there is some problem with the connection network" | 21:49 |
| dnaumov | irrelevantly of what network I use | 21:49 |
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| HiskiBoy | what is maemo 5 "n900" superusetr password | 21:56 |
| HiskiBoy | what is maemo 5 "n900" superuser password | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | none, get rootsh | 21:56 |
| woglinde | sudo gainroot | 21:57 |
| K` | I enabled the extras repo, but I don't see anything | 21:57 |
| Wolfie | woglinde: doesn't work out of the box | 21:57 |
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| K` | specifically looking for xchat | 21:58 |
| dnaumov | bah | 21:58 |
| dnaumov | rdesktop-gui is broken if your server has a nonstandard port | 21:58 |
| woglinde | wolfie hm? | 21:58 |
| dnaumov | rdesktop-cli works | 21:58 |
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| dnaumov | but rdesktop gui tries to resolve hostname:port as a hostname in its entirety | 21:58 |
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| Wolfie | woglinde: you need rootsh first, otherwise you aren't given access | 21:59 |
| Wolfie | or something else... | 22:00 |
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| woglinde | hm | 22:02 |
| cehteh | so .. after a lot of coursing i got openvpn working in a *seamless* way, with some hacks. anyone here interested in improving that, then i can make a wiki page or so | 22:05 |
| zash | cehteh: define seamless | 22:06 |
| red | if seamless is 30fps no hickups then yes | 22:06 |
| red | otherwise its the way most vncs just work :p | 22:06 |
| zash | how does framerates relate to vpns? | 22:07 |
| cehteh | vpn | 22:07 |
| Ceron | http://naurunappula.com/531577 haha :) | 22:07 |
| Ceron | parkin camera systems crash | 22:08 |
| cehteh | i can turn it on and off in my home wlan (which is not a separate network but in the same net as the rest of the home network) | 22:08 |
| red | zash: when you want to use your pc remotely, fluently | 22:08 |
| cehteh | and switch to mobile and back .. and possibly to any other wlan | 22:08 |
| cehteh | without loosing connections | 22:08 |
| Laiska | Ok since Ceron went OT so will I (sorry..) , just something I really want to share.. http://www.cracked.com/article/120_the-5-most-ridiculously-awful-computers-ever-made_p2 | 22:09 |
| zash | red: virtual *private network* | 22:09 |
| Laiska | That PocketMail.. | 22:09 |
| red | zash: think ill glo clear my eyeglasses | 22:09 |
| cehteh | and dont use the maemo-update-resolv stuff but integrated the vpn into the dnsmasq thing | 22:09 |
| red | i read vnc :) | 22:09 |
| zash | red: :D | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | Cryptographers have moved closer to their goal of eavesdropping on cellphone conversations after cracking the secret code used to prevent the interception of radio signals as they travel between handsets and mobile operators' base stations | 22:12 |
| go1dfish | oh dear | 22:12 |
| fredrin | :D | 22:13 |
| red | http://naurunappula.com/492563 | 22:13 |
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| zash | RST38h: Didn't GSM encryption suck? | 22:13 |
| zash | as in 56bit suckage | 22:13 |
| RST38h | zash: well, not enough to be easily breakable | 22:14 |
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| moo-_- | zash: they change key very frequently (matter of seconds) I think | 22:15 |
| fredrin | aaah i want a n900 | 22:15 |
| * fredrin got a HTC Hero for chistmas :( | 22:15 | |
| RST38h | hehe | 22:15 |
| fredrin | what a stupid santa | 22:15 |
| RXrenesis8 | ebay ebay ebay | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | sell it to buy a n900 | 22:16 |
| fredrin | i got it exchanged for a giftcard | 22:16 |
| fredrin | so i'll get a n900 eventualy | 22:16 |
| fredrin | just got to wait for the shop to get more of them | 22:16 |
| fredrin | was sold out :( | 22:16 |
| RST38h | Is it safe to do apt-get upgrade in SB2? | 22:16 |
| fredrin | so much for being late on the trend | 22:17 |
| fredrin | and more expencive | 22:17 |
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| ceda | fredrin: at least it's worth the wait! | 22:20 |
| fredrin | ceda: :D i know | 22:21 |
| HiskiBoy | santa where not stupid because i get n900 | 22:24 |
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| K` | damn | 22:34 |
| K` | no way to make red pill mode permanent? | 22:34 |
| RST38h | Where do I set the list of packages my package depends on when using autoconf? | 22:37 |
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| pupnik | i think debhelper scripts add that | 22:40 |
| * ShadowJK got openvpn working seamlessly in a trivial way, but I'm probably not using it for the same thing or in the same way | 22:41 | |
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| woglinde | ls | 22:43 |
| RST38h | :((( | 22:44 |
| RST38h | I am close to giving up :((( | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: debian/control | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | and autoconf has nothing to deal with that | 22:44 |
| RST38h | I need to make autoconf add Python include/lib directories to cflags | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:44 |
| RST38h | How the hell do I do that? :( | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | PKG_CONFIG stuff maybe | 22:44 |
| RST38h | But WHERE? | 22:44 |
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| woglinde | rst give me a pointer | 22:45 |
| woglinde | to your source | 22:45 |
| RST38h | woglinde: XChat source in Extras | 22:45 |
| RST38h | it appears to build on sb1 but fails on sb2 | 22:45 |
| woglinde | xchat needs python support? | 22:45 |
| woglinde | rst ah | 22:45 |
| RST38h | I do not see where it includes python | 22:45 |
| RST38h | plugins do | 22:45 |
| woglinde | yeah sdk+ is broken | 22:45 |
| woglinde | forget abiout it | 22:46 |
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| RST38h | can I somehow ï²disable python dependency? | 22:48 |
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| woglinde | depends on the autotools stuff | 22:49 |
| woglinde | let me see | 22:49 |
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| * RST38h is trying to fix crashes and finally build a working xchat package for n900 | 22:49 | |
| Stskeeps | we should just pool together and employ qwerty12 for a year | 22:50 |
| woglinde | rst hm I would switch to cdbs | 22:50 |
| RST38h | qwerty is apparently grounded =) | 22:51 |
| RST38h | woglinde: oh, please, not *another* build system | 22:51 |
| * RST38h never writes more than a single makefile for a project | 22:51 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: oh dear, really? :P | 22:51 |
| RST38h | ~seen qwerty12 | 22:51 |
| woglinde | rst it would simply the rules file a lot | 22:51 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 25d 2h 27m 55s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. | 22:51 |
| woglinde | but let see | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i'd think he was focusing on college | 22:52 |
| RST38h | Or that, yes | 22:52 |
| woglinde | --disable-python | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | which is not entirely a bad choice :P | 22:52 |
| woglinde | from configure.in | 22:52 |
| RST38h | woglinde: REALLY? | 22:52 |
| woglinde | that was easy | 22:52 |
| RST38h | Trying | 22:52 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: I build it with sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b | 22:53 |
| thopiekar | hi | 22:53 |
| RST38h | woglinde: Do I supply --disable-python to dpkg-buildpackage? | 22:54 |
| thopiekar | could someone please tell me how to build maemo mapper on ubuntu karmic? | 22:54 |
| woglinde | edit debian/rules | 22:54 |
| RST38h | hmmm ok | 22:54 |
| thopiekar | I've installed libgdbm3.. a package called "libgdbm" isn't available on karmic.. but I get this while ./configure'ing maemo mapper: "configure: error: libgdbm.so not found. Please install libgdbm." | 22:55 |
| RST38h | found it | 22:55 |
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| woglinde | rst let me see maybee you have to touch some more | 22:55 |
| RST38h | there was --enable-python there | 22:56 |
| woglinde | rst I meant packaging and install | 22:56 |
| RST38h | A5/1 kaboom | 22:57 |
| woglinde | but there is only suggest | 22:57 |
| pupnik | the -d will ignore dependencies, meaning it might build with broken control / rules | 22:57 |
| woglinde | and build-dev | 22:57 |
| javispedro | there's still a .install file somewhere expecting /usr/lib/xchat/.../python.so | 22:57 |
| RST38h | woglinde: if it builds with sb2 now, I should be well on my way debugging it | 22:57 |
| woglinde | pupnik yeah but otherwise sb2 is borken | 22:57 |
| RST38h | javispedro: The only install I see does not require it | 22:57 |
| woglinde | javis nope | 22:57 |
| woglinde | I checked it | 22:58 |
| javispedro | RST38h: see debian/xchat.install | 22:58 |
| javispedro | it requires /usr/lib/xchat | 22:58 |
| woglinde | hm okay | 22:58 |
| javispedro | this (may) only get created if there's a plugin, and if you disable the pyton plugin, then there's no plugin | 22:58 |
| woglinde | thanks javis | 22:58 |
| woglinde | wasnt seen that the python stuff goes there | 22:58 |
| javispedro | this was the original failure he was getting | 22:59 |
| RST38h | javispedro: it is a directory though | 22:59 |
| woglinde | ah okay | 22:59 |
| javispedro | RST38h: that is the reason of the "may" | 22:59 |
| woglinde | remove the line in the .install line | 22:59 |
| RST38h | done | 22:59 |
| woglinde | args file | 22:59 |
| Macer | Obamuhhhhh! | 23:00 |
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| woglinde | rst a5/1 it was known | 23:00 |
| Macer | TSA hahaha | 23:01 |
| Macer | what a joke | 23:01 |
| woglinde | but at the congress now it was one of the first speeches | 23:01 |
| Macer | you know what the one thing that is holding back terrorists from inflicting major damage? ignorance | 23:01 |
| Macer | all they have to do is send one guy into one airport a day and kill the unarmed tsa people and that's it. ALL airports are closed | 23:01 |
| woglinde | which terrorists? | 23:01 |
| woglinde | the one from the cia? | 23:01 |
| Macer | i mean i'm sure after about a month of doing that trillions of dollars would be lost | 23:02 |
| Macer | as the airplanes are constantly on the ground | 23:02 |
| Macer | terrorists don't understand that money is more important to the US than actual people :) | 23:02 |
| javispedro | well, look at the bright side, that year's summer would still be even more hot | 23:03 |
| woglinde | macer nope heating the home is important | 23:03 |
| woglinde | or driving car | 23:03 |
| RST38h | BUILT | 23:03 |
| Macer | woglinde: those are just 2 forms of money woglinde ;) | 23:03 |
| woglinde | they should blow up some tankers anf pipelines | 23:03 |
| Macer | woglinde: no. that doesn't affect the right kind of person | 23:04 |
| woglinde | if there is no gasoline no money can buy it | 23:04 |
| woglinde | and that would hit the usa much more | 23:04 |
| Macer | woglinde: plus. believe me. if gas stops flowing the emperor will send the sardukar | 23:04 |
| Macer | the spice must flow | 23:04 |
| Macer | there will be an entire battalion around every pipeline in existance :) | 23:04 |
| Macer | with sats watching it 24/7 | 23:05 |
| n900evil | macer: be flying naked soon enou | 23:05 |
| n900evil | gh | 23:05 |
| Macer | heh | 23:05 |
| Macer | woglinde: money is what is most important to the US. trust me. when 9/11 happened there were 2 things that politicians did | 23:06 |
| Macer | 1. try to score political points | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | eat beacon? | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | bacon | 23:06 |
| Macer | 2. try to find a way to profit on it and watching the market die and tumble | 23:06 |
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| Macer | they were watching the dow more than the stories about the victims | 23:07 |
| Macer | statistically .. most people dont' care if strangers die | 23:07 |
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| Macer | easy fix to making rich white people happy is to start a war and tell them to buy defense stocks :) | 23:08 |
| ebtschi_work | yeah! buy nokia stocks instead! | 23:08 |
| ebtschi_work | ;-) | 23:08 |
| Macer | actually | 23:08 |
| Macer | iridium would have been a better choice :) | 23:09 |
| Pavlov | Macer: way to bring race in to play | 23:09 |
| Pavlov | good job | 23:09 |
| ebtschi_work | huh? | 23:09 |
| Macer | Pavlov: truth is truth :) | 23:09 |
| ebtschi_work | iridium - you'd have lost your money | 23:09 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Hi. | 23:10 |
| jeremiah_ | Sorry, I wasn't around earlier. | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: it's friday evening, it's a sign of health ;) | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | er.. | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | wait, it's monday | 23:10 |
| jeremiah_ | heh | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | damnit | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | Macer: that part isn't truth | 23:10 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: that's surely not a sign of health ;) | 23:12 |
| Macer | http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=LMT&time=all | 23:13 |
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| Macer | luke-jr: ;) | 23:13 |
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| Macer | see where the stock starts to go up ? | 23:13 |
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| Macer | sharp drops when the economic bubble popped near end of 08 and another huge dip when obama started his rantings of getting troops out | 23:14 |
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| * RST38h digs into setup.c | 23:16 | |
| RST38h | Somewhere there should be a crash | 23:16 |
| woglinde_ | reboot | 23:17 |
| woglinde_ | gdb? | 23:17 |
| RST38h | can't make it drop core | 23:17 |
| RST38h | dunno why | 23:17 |
| RST38h | so, printf()s. | 23:17 |
| woglinde_ | but you can run it with gdb | 23:17 |
| woglinde_ | install the gdb7 package | 23:17 |
| RST38h | yea, but I am too lazy to install gdb :) | 23:17 |
| woglinde_ | lol | 23:18 |
| woglinde_ | then go the slow way with printf | 23:18 |
| woglinde_ | reboot now | 23:18 |
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| RST38h | Macer: conspiracy! | 23:18 |
| Macer | RST38h: not really | 23:18 |
| Macer | http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=HUGH&time=all | 23:18 |
| Macer | there's another goodie :) | 23:18 |
| Macer | you can see the same dip when obama announced pulling out of iraq | 23:19 |
| Macer | then it spikes back up when he said "we need to stay" haha | 23:19 |
| RST38h | Well that is Hughes. They are huges warprofiteers | 23:19 |
| Macer | RST38h: of course haha | 23:19 |
| RST38h | A lot of these companies are essentially states within a state | 23:19 |
| Macer | do you think hughes cares about troops or their stock price? ;) | 23:19 |
| Macer | like i said. nobody cares about a stranger dying more than they care about their own money | 23:20 |
| RST38h | And they are soooo friendly with the government, that feel more like Soviet industries than capitalist enterprises | 23:20 |
| Macer | when the last hurricane hit new orleans... did you see how all their cameras were trained on the levies? | 23:20 |
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| Macer | i am willing to bet you all my money. all reporters were HOPING.. the levy broke again | 23:21 |
| Macer | :) | 23:21 |
| RST38h | Macer: Do you remember the story where they drove empty trucks between two Iraqi towns, on schedule? | 23:21 |
| RST38h | Because the US government was paying for regular convoys | 23:21 |
| Macer | RST38h: haha yeah | 23:21 |
| RST38h | The drivers called it the road of death | 23:21 |
| Macer | why bring actual supplies when you can just waste a little gas | 23:21 |
| Macer | and make a killing hehe | 23:21 |
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| javispedro | ah, Palm to bring new product on jan 7th | 23:22 |
| Macer | people still use palm? :) | 23:22 |
| Macer | i thought they went bankrupt | 23:22 |
| RST38h | no doubt, it will be rrrrevolutionary | 23:22 |
| Macer | they were so ahead of their time back in the day | 23:22 |
| Macer | and then became complacent | 23:22 |
| Macer | i was a big fan of the newton based things.... too bad that never worked out | 23:23 |
| javispedro | "Newton based things"? | 23:23 |
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| javispedro | what a weird way to name a PDA. | 23:23 |
| Macer | er | 23:24 |
| Macer | newton was an OS | 23:24 |
| Macer | i don't think apple actually released their own | 23:24 |
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| javispedro | touché | 23:25 |
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| sheepbat | and there was the eMate | 23:26 |
| sheepbat | based on the Newton OS, but not an Apple Newton | 23:26 |
| Macer | heh | 23:26 |
| Macer | there were a few. i'm sure apple had their own but | 23:26 |
| Macer | i think sharp made one | 23:27 |
| Macer | those things were ahead of their time too | 23:27 |
| Macer | newton OS wasn't bad at all | 23:27 |
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| Macer | wonder how long it will take lifetime to make the made for tv movie about the guy who had to go to south american court to get his son back from his ex wife's family after she died during child birth | 23:28 |
| Macer | haha | 23:28 |
| Macer | how the hell would the family ever expect a judge to say "no. the boy doesn't go back to his father who he was kidnapped from.. he should stay with uncle phillipe instead" | 23:29 |
| n900evil | depends. | 23:30 |
| n900evil | was the father successfully portrayed in court as a danger ... | 23:30 |
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| lolow | hey | 23:31 |
| lolow | do you have a list of phones on which maemo works as expected? | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | n900? | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:32 |
| n900evil | n900 | 23:32 |
| dmj7261 | It only works on one phone | 23:32 |
| lolow | could i install maemo to other phones? | 23:32 |
| n900evil | It's a short list. | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | lolow: | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | ~mer | 23:32 |
| infobot | from memory, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 23:32 |
| luke-jr | lolow: no | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | is probably what you are looking for | 23:32 |
| dmj7261 | If you ported it to the other phones, yes. | 23:33 |
| lolow | ok i'll check it out | 23:33 |
| dmj7261 | It would be a lot of effort though | 23:33 |
| n900evil | dmj: err no. | 23:33 |
| luke-jr | lolow: Maemo is closed source (overall); Mer is the open-source "version" | 23:33 |
| dmj7261 | I mean mer | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, Mer did run on freerunner ;) | 23:33 |
| lolow | luke-jr: thanx for that, i thought maemo is open source too | 23:33 |
| n900evil | dmj: and used all of the closed source bits illegally. | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:34 |
| luke-jr | lolow: Maemo is the corp umbrella which Nokia contributes to Mer | 23:34 |
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| lolow | oh okay | 23:34 |
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| luke-jr | but Maemo-the-OS is not open itself | 23:35 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: for once i agree with you :P | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand, things could be a lot worse | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:36 |
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| charkins | Howdy folks. Anyone know how to get SSL working with MicroB in the SDK? There doesn't appear to be any default certificate authorities and I'm not sure how to configure any. I am ultimately trying to get libgdata (which is using libsoup) to work with https. | 23:36 |
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| n900evil | I can - with approval - install gcc on device, compile apps, and sell them. | 23:37 |
| n900evil | works for me. | 23:37 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: BTW, apparently, Maemo5 app menu suppots folders | 23:37 |
| luke-jr | n900evil: why approval? you don't need approval | 23:37 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: some crazy russian folks enabled them | 23:37 |
| charkins | n900evil: was that directed at me? (ssl works for you out of the box with sdk?) | 23:37 |
| n900evil | luk: err | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: oh | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: URL? | 23:37 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: http://maemos.ru/2009/12/28/making-folders-icons-n900/ | 23:38 |
| n900evil | luk: I mean without jailbreaking or violating licence terms. | 23:38 |
| n900evil | char: not used sdk | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: oh, interesting | 23:39 |
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| lolow | goodbye guys ;D | 23:41 |
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| luke-jr | n900evil: what license terms? | 23:44 |
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| ebtschi_work | i'm asking my question from before again: | 23:44 |
| ebtschi_work | has anyone here done something with maemo on the beagle board? | 23:44 |
| luke-jr | ebtschi_work: no | 23:44 |
| luke-jr | ebtschi_work: replace 'maemo' with 'mer', and you might find someone | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | actually no | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | ebtschi_work: Maemo on OMAP? | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_on_OMAP_Project | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: funny fact, we don't have an active beagleboard port atm :P | 23:46 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I'm sure someone's done *something* with it tho? | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: yeah, me | 23:47 |
| luke-jr | see | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | i'm an octopus in many regards | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:47 |
| ebtschi_work | Stskeeps, you don't? | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | no beagleboard port of Mer, as in, not published | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | cos i don't have a kernel source to build from scratch | 23:48 |
| ebtschi_work | http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/ (+) | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | ebtschi_work: yes, that's old | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | use the URL i gave above | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | ebtschi_work: what board do you have? if it's B5 it's not good ::/ | 23:48 |
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| ebtschi_work | none atm | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | what's your intended use? | 23:49 |
| ebtschi_work | i'm trying to find it out before i buy one ;-) | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | consider looking at a zoom2 instead | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | typical components for development in there | 23:50 |
| Macer | lol @ 21 jump street | 23:51 |
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| ebtschi_work | application is some OEM hardware, with USB, sdcard, ethernet, audio | 23:52 |
| ebtschi_work | with a "modern os" on it, and text to speech | 23:52 |
| ebtschi_work | as well some application software, that currently exists on symbian (python) | 23:53 |
| luke-jr | ebtschi_work: no graphics? | 23:53 |
| ebtschi_work | nope | 23:54 |
| ebtschi_work | embedded | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | ebtschi_work: mm, i would look at zoom2 then. it might seem expensive but it contains everything you could imagine to need | 23:54 |
| ebtschi_work | "kinda low power" | 23:54 |
| luke-jr | ebtschi_work: Maemo and Mer are graphical OS | 23:54 |
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| Stskeeps | . | 23:54 |
| luke-jr | ebtschi_work: possibly consider RouterStation (?) or EFIKA MX as well | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: technically it could operate with a null framebuffer though | 23:55 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: yeah, but then what's the point? :P | 23:55 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: visually impaired users? | 23:55 |
| ebtschi_work | zoom2.... for development the price isn't that important, but what about the end product? | 23:55 |
| ebtschi_work | with the beagle board the schematics are there - ore we could just use the board as is for ~ 100€ which is crazy low | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | ebtschi_work: true | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | ebtschi_work: not sure if they exist for zoom2, but they might | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | sheevaplug | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | sheevaplug isn't a bad idea either | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | that and ubuntu or something | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | or debian | 23:57 |
| RST38h | OHMYGOD! It dies in libsexy! | 23:59 |
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