| MohammadAG_ | again make sure your PC can supply enough power | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG_ | I doubt that's the problem though | 00:00 |
| matt__ | it must be fucked | 00:00 |
| matt__ | my pcs got plenty of power | 00:00 |
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| matt__ | are you saying that as soon as the usb is in the u should be depressed? | 00:01 |
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| matt__ | mohammed thanks for all your help but it looks like im gonna have to send this back | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | matt__, nokia would display | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | and a USB at the top right corner | 00:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | the backlight should be off too | 00:08 |
| matt__ | bo usb symbol | 00:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | no*? | 00:08 |
| Dieterbe | hi guys, i have extras and extras-devel enabled, but even after refreshing the package database, searching for 'duke' gives me no results. i read duke nukem 3d would be in extras-testing now? | 00:08 |
| Dieterbe | using n900 | 00:08 |
| woglinde | duke nukem forever? | 00:08 |
| woglinde | haha | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | it is Dieterbe | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | woglinde, duke nukem 3D | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | shareware and CD versions | 00:09 |
| woglinde | he | 00:09 |
| woglinde | joke | 00:09 |
| Dieterbe | i get 0 results in the app manager when searching for duke :( | 00:09 |
| Dieterbe | is it in extras-testing? | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh, then I just fail at humor :p | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | not sure Dieterbe, flashing the device | 00:09 |
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| MohammadAG_ | check http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | if it's in /pool/fremantle/d then it should be on the N900 | 00:10 |
| Dieterbe | hmm it's not in there | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=445835#post445835 | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | Dieterbe, | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/d/duke3d/ | 00:12 |
| Dieterbe | extras-devel huh.. time to void some warranties | 00:13 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lol Dieterbe | 00:16 |
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| Dieterbe | no idea for your problem btw | 00:17 |
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| bobbyd | hi | 00:20 |
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| Dieterbe | installing duke3d shareware B) | 00:20 |
| Dieterbe | hi bobbyd | 00:21 |
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| bobbyd | has anyone got link local addressing working on the n900? I see avahi is there, but I'm not sure about configuration | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | i heard people have got it working, but not me | 00:23 |
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| bobbyd | ok | 00:23 |
| bobbyd | I'll mess about with it a bit | 00:23 |
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| bobbyd | can't be bothered with typing 192.168...... all the time :) | 00:24 |
| pupnik_ | Dieterbe: please test thoroughly | 00:24 |
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| MohammadAG_ | bobbyd, change the router ip to 1.1.1.1 ;p | 00:25 |
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| Dieterbe | pupnik_: are you the guy i should thank for this? :( | 00:25 |
| Dieterbe | i mean :) | 00:25 |
| pupnik_ | no, ukki is | 00:25 |
| pupnik_ | i can't test it since i get seasick playing it | 00:26 |
| Dieterbe | well i'll test it for sure | 00:26 |
| Dieterbe | can i use the maemo bugtracker for issues with this? | 00:26 |
| pupnik_ | i think so. | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | speaking of bugtrackers, should I report my issue? | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | about the N900 not vibrating | 00:27 |
| Dieterbe | hmmm pupnik_ any idea how i should go out of menu's? there is no Esc key :P | 00:27 |
| pupnik_ | one of the buttons gets out - try backspace/del | 00:28 |
| Dieterbe | del? i only have backspace and it doesn't work | 00:28 |
| pupnik_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36054&highlight=duke3d+n900 | 00:29 |
| bobbyd | Dieterbe: is nothing else works, click the power button and tap "end current application" | 00:29 |
| pupnik_ | Dieterbe: do you have an english keyboard layout? | 00:30 |
| mece | shift-backspace is used as esc in some apps. what are we talking about? | 00:30 |
| Dieterbe | yes pupnik_ | 00:30 |
| Dieterbe | dukenukem3d | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | mece, it's CTRL backspace :) | 00:30 |
| Dieterbe | and shiftbackspace doesn't work | 00:30 |
| Dieterbe | that neither | 00:30 |
| mece | MohammadAG_, umm.. no. | 00:30 |
| mece | :) | 00:31 |
| mece | hm | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | dashboard? | 00:31 |
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| MohammadAG_ | the dashboard is accessed by pressing ctrl backspace | 00:31 |
| pupnik_ | SDL games have problems with different keyboard layouts. | 00:31 |
| RST38h | but there is only one true keyboard layout, the Netherlands/UK one =) | 00:32 |
| RST38h | The rest are bogus, BOGUS! | 00:32 |
| pupnik_ | I feel that way about ASCII | 00:32 |
| Dieterbe | thank god you don't rule the world | 00:32 |
| thresh | now now, crawl back into your 7-bit cave, RST38h | 00:32 |
| pupnik_ | I'd vote for him | 00:32 |
| RST38h | Which god? | 00:32 |
| Dieterbe | internet | 00:33 |
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| RST38h | internet god is dead, beaten it at the last stage | 00:33 |
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| Dieterbe | nope, functional as ever. see http://www.kurtgreenbaumisapussy.com/ for example | 00:33 |
| Dieterbe | anyway i cannot control duke, and cannot really navigate properly through the menu's either | 00:34 |
| * pupnik_ checks out how emulib plays sounds | 00:34 | |
| RST38h | that is a different god | 00:34 |
| RST38h | The Anonymous | 00:34 |
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| * Dieterbe off | 00:34 | |
| Dieterbe | see ya guys | 00:34 |
| Dieterbe | btw RST38h dvorak > * | 00:34 |
| RST38h | pupnik: WriteAudio() for waveforms, PlaySound() for melodic | 00:35 |
| pupnik_ | oh that's just pretty | 00:35 |
| RST38h | Dvorak must die. | 00:35 |
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| RST38h | And the boob-shaped MS keyboard should also die | 00:35 |
| jebba | Could not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (96.17.106.136). - connect (111 Connection refused) | 00:35 |
| zash | RST38h: NEVAH | 00:35 |
| RST38h | zash: use real boobies | 00:36 |
| thresh | to do the typing | 00:36 |
| ifreq | get live | 00:36 |
| zash | RST38h: context=dvorak | 00:36 |
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| RST38h | zash: ERROR 235: CANNOT PARSE | 00:36 |
| zash | pkill -SIGNOU RST38h | 00:37 |
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| pupnik_ | Unix/SndSDL.c is doing the actual writing RST38h ? | 00:38 |
| RST38h | pkill: not found | 00:38 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Guess so | 00:38 |
| pupnik_ | thanks. filesize fits in brain | 00:38 |
| RST38h | pupnik: But approach it with some caution: it has only been tested on STMP37xx systems and terribly glitched on Maemo4 | 00:38 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I was eventually told it was the problem with Maemo4 ALSA though | 00:39 |
| pupnik_ | oh i am in glitch-land. working on glitchy glitches. | 00:39 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Be also aware that the EMUlib is not GPLed, so rewrite, do not reuse ;) | 00:39 |
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| pupnik_ | i am just trying to learn | 00:40 |
| pupnik_ | here's my newest discovery http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=442596&postcount=6 | 00:40 |
| pupnik_ | SDL_audio_alsa.cpp somehow creates a too-small buffer_size | 00:41 |
| RST38h | you probably missed some parameter, it is real easy with alsa | 00:41 |
| pupnik_ | at least for talking straight to RX51 audio pcm0p | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | umm how do I get my contacts off ovi contacts to the N900? | 00:42 |
| RST38h | ALSA's designers were another showcase of tragically autistic bunch of geeks =( | 00:42 |
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| pupnik_ | mhm well i have a nice emu to test this with (NOT dosbox) | 00:43 |
| megapapo | hello | 00:43 |
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| megapapo | I noticed that my N900 does not show the cell ID. Is there a way to enable this? And I'm also failing at changing the ringtone... | 00:43 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Basically, SndSDL tries to ignore all the ALSA crap and create a simple hardware buffer of given length (computed from latency and playback rate) | 00:43 |
| RST38h | pupnik: ALSA does not make it easy, but after looking at some | 00:44 |
| RST38h | pupnik: ALSA code I have managed to do it, at least on STMP37xx | 00:44 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: You are then becomeing responsible of keeping the buffer full by using GetFreeAudio() and WriteAudio() calls | 00:44 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | bochs ! | 00:44 |
| pupnik_ | perfect. | 00:45 |
| RST38h | Ok, will go hit the bed now. Sorry, its too late here | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | megapapo, incoming/outgoing calls? | 00:45 |
| pupnik_ | thanks! | 00:46 |
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| MohammadAG | ie you don't get the ID of the caller or the opposite? | 00:46 |
| megapapo | MohammadAG: aw | 00:46 |
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| megapapo | MohammadAG: sorry I've got the N900-flash.. (received the device today). cell ID, not call ID | 00:46 |
| megapapo | ah but I wrote cell ID | 00:46 |
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| MohammadAG | oh I misunderstood you then | 00:47 |
| megapapo | megapapo: the name of the cell... depends on the provider, usually town or district or something | 00:47 |
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| toggles_w | is `git pull` missing from n900's git? "git: 'pull' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'." | 00:59 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | The execution of a British man, mohammad ahmed ali babba, in China has gone largely unnoticed by the government, spare their vague attempts at trying desperately not to appear racist | 01:00 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Sheesh, if he was white, China would be a smoking pile of ash by now | 01:00 |
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| megapapo | MohammadAG: man it can't be that hard to change the ringtone.... | 01:03 |
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| shinkamui | MohammadAG | 01:03 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Ah, actually his name was Akmal Sheikh | 01:03 |
| shinkamui | thanks for replying to my post | 01:03 |
| shinkamui | would you mind taking a picture for me? | 01:03 |
| shinkamui | I don't see anything shiny | 01:03 |
| shinkamui | I think thats my problem | 01:03 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | But that's just unpronounceably asian enough for approximately 99.9% of white people to not give a fuck | 01:04 |
| jeremiah | toggles_w: Do a git --version | 01:04 |
| toggles_w | jeremiah: /home/user # git --version | 01:05 |
| toggles_w | git version 1.6.5.7 | 01:05 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: updated layout file http://depot.javispedro.com/dosbox/rover/rover.sys | 01:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iMac: hardly unnoticed. | 01:05 |
| jeremiah | toggles_w: But that is the latest version. | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iMac: was a fairly major item in a couple of newses that I just listened to on national radio. | 01:05 |
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| jeremiah | toggles_w: Are you on the device? | 01:05 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | SpeedEvil: Press != Government | 01:05 |
| toggles_w | jeremiah: i got it from the tools repo | 01:05 |
| toggles_w | yes,on device | 01:06 |
| * jeremiah installs git on his N900 | 01:06 | |
| toggles_w | push seems to work, but not pull | 01:06 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | The press will trump up any old shit for a buck or two, this should have been a simple "Give us our citizen back for a trial on our grounds, or we'll fucking bomb you" matter | 01:06 |
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| jeremiah | .oO( How could they not have pull? ) | 01:06 |
| toggles_w | dunno.. | 01:07 |
| jeremiah | Weird. | 01:07 |
| jeremiah | File a bug I guess. | 01:07 |
| toggles_w | very | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iMac: And for china to do the same is entirely acceptable if it wants a dissident back to execute? | 01:07 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | SpeedEvil: Fair trade | 01:08 |
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| pupnik_ | ty javispedro ! | 01:08 |
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| shinkamui | would anyone mind taking 2 seconds to take a picture of the inside of their N900 back cover and post in online for me? | 01:09 |
| shinkamui | I think im missing a piece of metal or something | 01:09 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | SpeedEvil: Fortunately most of the chinese who end up here are smart enough not to go on a murder rampage... and unfortunately, at least from the ones they showed interviewed on TV (which I'm sure was to show the UK the more oppressed, clueless, "barbaric" side of china) were clueless ignorant fuckwits | 01:09 |
| shinkamui | from mine | 01:09 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | And I quoth: "A chinese person would be dealt the death sentence, so everyone else should," rather than "The death sentence is fundamentally wrong in all but the most extreme of circumstances" | 01:10 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: sorry, redownload again now (server was a bit slow) | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iMac: the other superpower disagrees. | 01:11 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | But hey, welcome to the UK... we're a country of equally clueless ignorant fuckwits with decidedly less chance of ever getting up off our arses than China... because we're comfortable | 01:11 |
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| pupnik_ | javispedro: shift to get : and ; works now! | 01:12 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | SpeedEvil: Their government disagrees, and speak through the mouths of millions of citizens who would probably die if they dared say otherwise | 01:12 |
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| pupnik_ | i get no numbers with fn+qwertyuiop though | 01:12 |
| pupnik_ | but maparn.txt could do that | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iMac: I meant the US. | 01:12 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: hm.. I do. Do you get the rest of FN symbols? | 01:13 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Shame that this whole "civilised" and "comfort" malarky has made us forgot how to start a freaking civil war | 01:13 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | SpeedEvil: The US is a superpower now? I thought it was just a big state in northern Mexico | 01:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iMac: Not all of us have forgotten. | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iMac: you start a facebook group I think. | 01:16 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | SpeedEvil: Hahahahahaha | 01:16 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | You sum it up so perfectly | 01:16 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Tangental divergence: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7289390.stm HAHAHAHA | 01:17 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | gay bitch slag! | 01:17 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: no fn symbols here | 01:18 |
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| javispedro | pupnik_: is fn mapped to backtick? | 01:18 |
| pupnik_ | i am launching the extras dosbox from the icon | 01:18 |
| pupnik_ | will reinstall to be sure | 01:18 |
| javispedro | can you delete/rename mapper.txt? | 01:18 |
| simoneb_ | isn't there any card game for the n900? | 01:18 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 01:18 |
| shinkamui | found it | 01:18 |
| shinkamui | damn, I dont know how to fix this | 01:19 |
| shinkamui | I definately need a new back | 01:19 |
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| pupnik_ | oh foolish me i did a bad in the conf | 01:19 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | simoneb_: what sort of card game? | 01:20 |
| simoneb_ | Gadgetoid_iMac: i was thinking about spiders | 01:20 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: launched /usr/bin/dosbox with no mapper.txt loading | 01:21 |
| pupnik_ | lemme reinstall | 01:21 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: that, or the config file... :P | 01:21 |
| pupnik_ | cause i didnt see a backtick ever | 01:21 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | I'm sure I happened across some card games somewhere, maybe I imagined it | 01:23 |
| frals | anyone got any pointers to where i can see example of bringing up a "notification" like when theres a new message/e-mail? | 01:23 |
| simoneb_ | frals: when i got a new im, the top right icon turns bright | 01:23 |
| frals | yeah, was thinking of sample code to produce a similar effect myself :) | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | TomaszD, ugh. | 01:24 |
| simoneb_ | frals: i got you wrong, sorry :P | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: unplug battery charger | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: oh | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | TomaszD, that thread. . . . | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | frals the 'gps recorder' applet uses them | 01:24 |
| TomaszD | yeah | 01:24 |
| pupnik_ | ah i found the error javispedro -- usescancodes needs to be true for your symbol-swapper to work | 01:24 |
| TomaszD | I just put him on the ignore list | 01:24 |
| TomaszD | wasting my time | 01:25 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: cheers, ill have a look there :) | 01:25 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: you mentioned that without usescancodes the fn key isn't mapped anywhere, so .. :) | 01:25 |
| pupnik_ | i know, i frogrot | 01:25 |
| pupnik_ | btw in a lot of builds for dosbox, i get junk in the text screens | 01:25 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: i owe you | 01:26 |
| pupnik_ | thanks | 01:26 |
| pupnik_ | all work | 01:26 |
| javispedro | junk? weird | 01:26 |
| pupnik_ | except for symbols that were never in DOS :) | 01:27 |
| pupnik_ | yes, type _______ and you might get _ __ | 01:27 |
| javispedro | they are in the "new" 858 cp | 01:27 |
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| * pupnik_ cues the sounds of heavenly choirs and monty python god looking down | 01:28 | |
| pupnik_ | brb other ppl chattin me | 01:28 |
| shinkamui | Im off to radioshack to buy some magnetic tape, I think I can make this work | 01:28 |
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| shinkamui | wow | 01:31 |
| shinkamui | fixed it | 01:31 |
| shinkamui | took a small magnet from a magnetic pouch | 01:32 |
| shinkamui | put it next to that spot | 01:32 |
| shinkamui | its pretty weak | 01:32 |
| shinkamui | but it registers | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | shinkamui: for what? | 01:33 |
| shinkamui | looks like my back cover is missing its magnet | 01:33 |
| shinkamui | so my mmc would never read | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:33 |
| shinkamui | took a while to figure it out | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | odd | 01:34 |
| shinkamui | but it works | 01:34 |
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| pupnik | i gotta test that now | 01:34 |
| shinkamui | I just hope there isn't anything that could be damaged by having a magnet in there that too strong | 01:34 |
| shinkamui | this magnet is pretty weak, but you never know | 01:34 |
| simoneb_ | the last time i played with a magnet, i wasted my credit card | 01:34 |
| shinkamui | im gonna take some pics and post it on the forum for anyone else who gets into this mess | 01:34 |
| shinkamui | SpeedEvil could you take a pic of your N900's back cover inside for me | 01:34 |
| simoneb_ | but it was a neodimium magnet | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | shinkamui: you can get replacement covers for 14 euro I think | 01:35 |
| shinkamui | I really want to see what its SUPPOSED to look like | 01:35 |
| pupnik | wow you are right | 01:35 |
| shinkamui | SpeedEvil Im gonna see if nokia will replace it | 01:35 |
| shinkamui | this phone is only a day old | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil | probably more sane | 01:35 |
| shinkamui | but I was flipping out, thinking either I had 3 defective microSDHC cards, or sandisks just didn't work | 01:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Remember to put in a claim for emotional distress. | 01:40 |
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| pingpong | hi | 01:42 |
| simoneb_ | is aisleriot solitaire available for the n900? | 01:42 |
| pingpong | could somebody help me please? i got a problem with the connection manager | 01:42 |
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| shinkamui | cool | 01:42 |
| shinkamui | it had an interesting side effect | 01:42 |
| shinkamui | opening the slide on the camera always registered in the syslog | 01:42 |
| shinkamui | but now it launches the camera like it was supposed to :) | 01:42 |
| shinkamui | how odd. | 01:43 |
| Proteous | heh | 01:43 |
| ifreq | pingpong: shoot | 01:43 |
| Proteous | there is nothing in the n900 that a magnet could affect | 01:43 |
| pingpong | I want to access the internet through the usb port but the connection manager somehow don't mind about that... | 01:43 |
| pingpong | internet is working so far but when I open an application the network manager pops up | 01:44 |
| pingpong | found this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37710 | 01:44 |
| pingpong | but it didn't work | 01:44 |
| pingpong | Is that dummy device available for the n900? Because a lot of information about that seems to be a little bit outdated | 01:45 |
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| shinkamui | Proteous thats good news | 01:46 |
| shinkamui | though I was simply making an observatio | 01:46 |
| shinkamui | n | 01:46 |
| shinkamui | might have more to do with the fact that a memory card is now showing as present | 01:46 |
| shinkamui | though, I've only been exposed to the device for a paltry 5 hours | 01:47 |
| shinkamui | :) | 01:47 |
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| shinkamui | I seem to be having cpu spikes now too, probably again unrelated, but it doesn't hurt to reboot at this point | 01:47 |
| shinkamui | bbiab, gonna run to the shack | 01:47 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, finally uploaded my BCN photos :) | 01:47 |
| shinkamui | question, does the N900 index files on the SDHC card | 01:49 |
| pingpong | ifreq: ok the dummy device is working now... forgot to reboot -.- maybe I'm not used to rebooting a linux system | 01:50 |
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| angasule | yay, I just got the N810 | 01:56 |
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| angasule | now, I gotta flash it or whatever | 01:56 |
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| Macer | watching amadeus | 02:01 |
| Macer | pretty funny movie | 02:01 |
| DangerMaus | heh | 02:02 |
| * Gadgetoid_iMac gets a bonus for Extras Assistant | 02:02 | |
| * cehteh making progress, buiding his n900 case :) | 02:02 | |
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| DangerMaus | taking long enough | 02:03 |
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| DangerMaus | though the 900 is realy gonna get me to get new glasses procastinating that for a year | 02:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Remember to ask your optician for glasses with a 10cm working distance :) | 02:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | For that n900 theater experience. | 02:06 |
| Gadgetoid | i hunger for a better app switcher/launcher | 02:07 |
| pupnik | i have a tweaked handbrake profile if someone wants to convert PAL DVD to n900 optimized format | 02:07 |
| ali1234 | i'd rather have the raw ffmpeg command line | 02:07 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: I want a full-screen xstroke recogniser for app-launch | 02:08 |
| Gadgetoid | n900 optimised eh pupnik... nice! got a linky? | 02:08 |
| cehteh | Gadgetoid: yeah some things could be improved | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: enter 'p' and you get porn | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Err | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Or s and you get settings | 02:09 |
| Gadgetoid | I bought district 9 on blu ray, might have to get the dvd to rip it | 02:09 |
| Gadgetoid | i wish i knew what they were thinking when they settled for 'long arbitrarily sorted list' for app management | 02:09 |
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| Gadgetoid | hmmm... what IS that dialogue that keeps flashing up | 02:11 |
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| ali1234 | gles + accelerometer demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CcfG5uxSOw | 02:18 |
| simula_ | very pretty :) | 02:19 |
| jebba | ali1234: haha, rad. Which package is it though?? | 02:20 |
| jebba | dicejinni perhaps | 02:20 |
| ali1234 | shakeandroll | 02:20 |
| ali1234 | but you have to add my repo | 02:20 |
| jebba | ah | 02:20 |
| jebba | very cool | 02:20 |
| jebba | what's your repo? | 02:20 |
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| ali1234 | http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/fremantle | 02:21 |
| ali1234 | leave everything else blank | 02:21 |
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| ali1234 | i think you can apt-get source too, dunno if i set it up right | 02:21 |
| VDVsx | ali1234, nice, pure gles or did you embedded with inside Qt/clutter ? | 02:21 |
| ali1234 | pure gles | 02:21 |
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| wolf^ | ali1234, looks great | 02:22 |
| ali1234 | it's cobbled together from examples | 02:22 |
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| VDVsx | ali1234, how many lines, only the dices code ? | 02:22 |
| VDVsx | just for curiosity :P | 02:22 |
| ali1234 | about 12, because it uses ode | 02:22 |
| cehteh | ali1234: is that going into testing? | 02:22 |
| ali1234 | when i get round to it | 02:23 |
| VDVsx | ali1234, only 12 , o_0 | 02:23 |
| ali1234 | i should put libode into devel at least i guess | 02:23 |
| ali1234 | but...... horrible packaging problems and all that | 02:24 |
| woglinde | whats ode? | 02:24 |
| ali1234 | was that stuff sorted yet? | 02:24 |
| ali1234 | ode = open dynamics engine, a physic engine | 02:24 |
| jebba | ali1234: actually "deb http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/ maemo fremantle" doesn't work. You got a line i can add to sources.list? | 02:24 |
| pupnik | awesome dice demo | 02:24 |
| ali1234 | jebba: add it in app man | 02:24 |
| pupnik | can you set number of dice? | 02:24 |
| ali1234 | nope, hardcoded | 02:24 |
| ali1234 | but change one #define and you can | 02:24 |
| pupnik | with 6 dice you have a german drinking game | 02:25 |
| VDVsx | lol | 02:25 |
| ali1234 | my brother said i should make it 6 instead of 10, i guess that's why | 02:25 |
| VDVsx | ali1234, what is the problem with the devel repo ? | 02:25 |
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| jebba | ali1234: in appman it is still going to ask me some Qs that are the same as my Q above (e.g. app man doesnt just ask for a single URL), Can you just cat your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list and paste the line here plz? | 02:25 |
| woglinde | cool | 02:25 |
| woglinde | anyway | 02:25 |
| ali1234 | VDVsx: you can't push library updates because they have no user/ section | 02:26 |
| aol_ | what happens when I run out of space on / | 02:26 |
| dmj7261 | I'd suggest an option to change the number and/or color of the dice | 02:26 |
| aol_ | I've been installing packages and got only 16mb left on root | 02:26 |
| ali1234 | jebba: blank everything except URL | 02:26 |
| aol_ | seems quite confided to me .. | 02:26 |
| dmj7261 | is this optified? | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Also support d2, d4, d6, d8, ... | 02:26 |
| VDVsx | ali1234, make you app depend in the new lib and it will be pushed | 02:26 |
| ali1234 | dmj7261: yeah i was trying to implement that but changing the colour of the dice is surprisingly difficult with GLES | 02:26 |
| ali1234 | VDVsx: = i have to release a new version of every app that depends on libode, to push a new version of libode... but this has been gone over 100 times already :) | 02:27 |
| pupnik | i must not mention dungeons & dragons... | 02:27 |
| VDVsx | ali1234, only one app | 02:27 |
| ali1234 | VDVsx: no, every app, because everyone might have only 1 app installed | 02:27 |
| javispedro | exactly. the app using the feature. | 02:27 |
| javispedro | "new" feature. | 02:28 |
| javispedro | or that was the idea. | 02:28 |
| VDVsx | exactly^ | 02:28 |
| ali1234 | what if "new" feature = not having a huge security bug? | 02:28 |
| javispedro | ohnoes! | 02:28 |
| javispedro | security bugs in a 3d rendering library! | 02:28 |
| * SpeedEvil rolls a d20. | 02:28 | |
| * SpeedEvil must also not mention dungeons and dragons. | 02:28 | |
| ali1234 | anyway, i was going to do different shaped dice too | 02:28 |
| ali1234 | however, this is also rather hard without a proper 3d engine | 02:28 |
| pupnik | well i don't want ali1234 changing libX11.so on me | 02:28 |
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| ali1234 | so that's why i started trying to use ogre3d | 02:29 |
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| VDVsx | ali1234, if you are waiting for a change in the lib thing, better get a nice and comfortable chair :) | 02:29 |
| jebba | deb http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/ fremantle user | 02:29 |
| wolf^ | javispedro, you'd be surprised | 02:29 |
| wolf^ | javispedro, http://download2.rapid7.com/r7-0025/ | 02:30 |
| ali1234 | oh yeah, don't tap the screen or it crashes :) | 02:30 |
| jebba | haah | 02:30 |
| javispedro | wolf^: please remind me that when webgl comes | 02:30 |
| woglinde | ali1234 uh why? | 02:30 |
| javispedro | ;) | 02:30 |
| ali1234 | woglinde: because it doesn't handle xevents properly | 02:30 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 02:30 |
| * LuciusMare has a problem | 02:30 | |
| LuciusMare | kmplayer does not load subtitles | 02:31 |
| woglinde | kmplayer? | 02:31 |
| woglinde | wtf? | 02:31 |
| LuciusMare | its a gui to mplayer | 02:31 |
| woglinde | bloated kdelibs? | 02:31 |
| LuciusMare | i dont care | 02:32 |
| LuciusMare | if it runs, me = happy | 02:32 |
| ali1234 | jebba: deb http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/fremantle / | 02:32 |
| woglinde | why mplayer? istn gstreamer enough? | 02:32 |
| jebba | weeee! | 02:32 |
| LuciusMare | for god's sake | 02:32 |
| LuciusMare | no,it isnt | 02:32 |
| LuciusMare | because it cant read subtitles | 02:32 |
| javispedro | hm.. gstreamer can. | 02:33 |
| javispedro | mafw, on the other side... | 02:33 |
| LuciusMare | listen | 02:33 |
| LuciusMare | i dont want to argue about players | 02:33 |
| LuciusMare | i just want to solve my problem | 02:33 |
| jebba | finally heh | 02:33 |
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| woglinde | LuciusMare do you care about cpuload? | 02:34 |
| ali1234 | oh yeah about that... this will load your cpu to the max and never sleep | 02:34 |
| lumi | how is the filesystem performance on n900 devices? | 02:34 |
| jebba | LuciusMare: well, if your problem is subtitles and someone says gstreamer can read subtitles.... | 02:34 |
| jebba | lumi: very very fast, surprisingly | 02:35 |
| jebba | well, not RAID10 SCSI, but fast for a handheld | 02:35 |
| LuciusMare | jebba: maybe gstreamer can | 02:35 |
| LuciusMare | but i dont know how | 02:35 |
| LuciusMare | kmplayer was supposed to load subtitles,it doesnt | 02:35 |
| lumi | if it comes down to standardisation i would pick ext for a music device and reiser for pictures on a camera. | 02:35 |
| javispedro | I don't think MAFW can, and that's a problem. | 02:35 |
| javispedro | LuciusMare: does bare mplayer load them? | 02:35 |
| lumi | have they done any benchmarks at all? | 02:35 |
| jebba | well, then don't respond with things like "for god's sake no,it isnt i dont want to argue about players" etc... and people will be more willing to help you. duh. | 02:35 |
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| LuciusMare | javispedro: i dont know either | 02:36 |
| jebba | ali1234: WORKSFORME | 02:36 |
| LuciusMare | o,kay. | 02:36 |
| jebba | tapping the screen to "close" the application is a feature, of course ;) | 02:36 |
| LuciusMare | whatever,just i want my subtitles and video paying | 02:37 |
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| javispedro | LuciusMare: I'd think you'd better mix them with the video stream, the builtin video player helps with battery life. | 02:37 |
| ali1234 | jebba: yeah i think that's actually true, since i copied most the EGL code from the powervr sdk | 02:37 |
| LuciusMare | javispedro: i have over there about 10 gigs of video. | 02:37 |
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| cehteh | uhm how can i stop the sshd with runit or whatever init system the n900 uses | 02:38 |
| LuciusMare | well,the builtin videoplayer should have subtitles feature | 02:38 |
| javispedro | cehteh: "stop sshd" | 02:38 |
| javispedro | cehteh: and the init system is upstart | 02:38 |
| cehteh | thanks | 02:38 |
| jebba | OMFG xulrunner latest mercurial i got to compile in scratchbox | 02:39 |
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| LuciusMare | okay,so a more general question. | 02:39 |
| LuciusMare | how to play a video with external subtitles on fremantle? | 02:39 |
| lcuk | LuciusMare, i find it more thrilling to hire a real translation team and have them sat around the device translating in realtime | 02:40 |
| squidd | expensive | 02:41 |
| lcuk | squidd, yeah i optimized the process and removed the orchestra, i thought they were overkill | 02:41 |
| squidd | :D | 02:41 |
| lcuk | and getting them space on the train was a bit troublseom | 02:41 |
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| woglinde | re lcuk | 02:42 |
| squidd | ya | 02:42 |
| lcuk | hey woglinde | 02:42 |
| javispedro | LuciusMare: have you tried naming the subtitles file "name.str" if the video file is "name.avi"? | 02:42 |
| javispedro | s/name.str/name.srt | 02:42 |
| LuciusMare | yes | 02:42 |
| LuciusMare | it does not work. | 02:43 |
| lcuk | javispedro, does it work in default media player?> | 02:43 |
| javispedro | dunno. | 02:43 |
| LuciusMare | no,it doesnt | 02:43 |
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| jebba | ali1234: definitely my favorite accelerometer app :) | 02:47 |
| ali1234 | thanks :) | 02:47 |
| pupnik | great showoff app | 02:47 |
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| ali1234 | would be better if it had nicer graphics | 02:47 |
| pupnik | ok my network access just started working in vmware sdk. | 02:47 |
| ali1234 | i started implementing it, then i realised i was writing a 3d engine | 02:48 |
| Guest44960 | how i can get the os2008 hacker edition for n810 | 02:48 |
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| AakashPatel | i wonder if i can use my n900 as a secondary monitor for my comp | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | AakashPatel: you can use vnc on it | 02:50 |
| * AakashPatel wants to run tweetdeck or something | 02:50 | |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think there is the appropriate gadget driver to do it | 02:50 |
| AakashPatel | ah | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | in principle a gadget devicelink driver could be done. | 02:50 |
| ali1234 | xdmx? | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Do I mean devicelink? | 02:50 |
| ali1234 | http://dmx.sourceforge.net/ | 02:50 |
| Guest44960 | i can install another app diferent as maemo | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | whe protocol used by usb monitors anyway. | 02:50 |
| jebba | ali1234: i think graphics are definitely decent enough. Changing number of dice would be real nice though.. | 02:50 |
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| ali1234 | jebba: as usual, iphone pwns me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPICxqLeZ-k | 02:51 |
| ali1234 | although i think he's cheating and not using accelerometer input directly | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | it just doesn't look right | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | i just feed accelerometer data directly into the ODE world gravity param | 02:52 |
| jebba | heh, ya, that's pretty rad... | 02:52 |
| javispedro | aaaaargggggggh http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle-20091116/source/mafw-gst-renderer/libmafw-gst-renderer/mafw-gst-renderer-worker.c#1786 | 02:52 |
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| javispedro | 99 "magic number" which is actually a nasty mix of flag bits | 02:53 |
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| javispedro | *looks at gst headers* which means play video, play audio, ignore subtitles, ignores audio visualizations. | 02:54 |
| * javispedro sighs | 02:54 | |
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| microlith | there we go | 02:56 |
| javispedro | if someone's in compiling mood, try editing that and see if it loads subtitles | 02:56 |
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| javispedro | or ask for it to be added to the mafw-gst-eq-renderer | 02:56 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: do the flags making-up "99" have enumerated types? | 02:57 |
| javispedro | pupnik: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-base-plugins/html/gst-plugins-base-plugins-playbin2.html#GstPlayFlags | 02:58 |
| pupnik | i .. don't see the problem | 02:58 |
| javispedro | well there could be a comment there at least. | 02:59 |
| pupnik | ok :) yep | 03:00 |
| javispedro | does anyone use mafw-gst-eq-renderer? | 03:01 |
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| bobbyd | does anyone know if it's safe to change the hostname of my n900? | 03:04 |
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| lcuk | bobbyd, ive changed mine | 03:05 |
| bobbyd | and did it explode? :) | 03:05 |
| microlith | lcuk: how'd you make the change persistent? | 03:05 |
| lcuk | no its quite happy | 03:05 |
| bobbyd | ok ta | 03:05 |
| lcuk | microlith, its not? | 03:05 |
| lcuk | just a mo then | 03:05 |
| microlith | no, mine reverts | 03:05 |
| lcuk | cos i just booted it again | 03:05 |
| bobbyd | microlith: did you edit /etc/hostname? | 03:06 |
| microlith | I used the hostname command and that | 03:06 |
| lcuk | microlith, good point lol | 03:06 |
| lcuk | me too this morning | 03:06 |
| microlith | lol | 03:06 |
| lcuk | ok scratch that | 03:06 |
| microlith | yeah | 03:06 |
| lcuk | its happy to change, but it doesnt stick | 03:06 |
| lcuk | bah! its a good job i didnt change all my build scripts | 03:07 |
| javispedro | on diablo /etc/hostname worked | 03:07 |
| * lcuk tries it | 03:07 | |
| javispedro | pupnik: btw, i've uploaded my modified sources of the freedos keyb layout compiler (so that they can run under gnu instead of dos): http://depot.javispedro.com/dosbox/kc.tar.gz | 03:09 |
| lcuk | changed and rebooting now | 03:09 |
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| javispedro | this makes it more easier to customize layouts for international users | 03:09 |
| javispedro | (for dosbox of course hehe) | 03:09 |
| lcuk | cool | 03:10 |
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| lcuk | /etc/hostname stuck through a "reboot" | 03:11 |
| lcuk | thanks javispedro, microlith theres your answer too, and bobby its alive | 03:11 |
| microlith | hm | 03:11 |
| microlith | will do that then | 03:11 |
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| javispedro | Apple: I summon... Multitouchscreen patent level three! Multitouchscreen patent level three does 50 damage! | 03:13 |
| ali1234 | multitouch is probably the reason for this whole thing | 03:14 |
| javispedro | actually if the list of patents is to be believed it has more to do with "serial i/o" | 03:14 |
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| n900evil | patents flowing from technologys should not be patentable. | 03:15 |
| Hexagoon | qtify (despotify gui) available in extras-devel, extremely alpha-pre-release thouhg.. and only in swedish ;P | 03:15 |
| n900evil | so you invvent and patent a wall | 03:15 |
| Hexagoon | for n900 | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | what i mean is this is a pre-emptive move because nokia wants to use multitouch without getting sued | 03:15 |
| n900evil | all other obvios patents should not get granted. "application of pigment in biknder to wall" | 03:16 |
| javispedro | probably. most of them look equaly dull to me (save for a few) | 03:16 |
| n900evil | the innovation is multitouch | 03:16 |
| javispedro | innovation innovation... | 03:16 |
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| n900evil | using it in obvious ways should not be patentable | 03:17 |
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| n900evil | on another topic. | 03:18 |
| n900evil | fbreader++ | 03:19 |
| bobbyd | javispedro: are you scaling the video output of dosbox? | 03:19 |
| Macer | wow amadeus was a crappy movie :) | 03:19 |
| Macer | i guess you have to be a music major or something | 03:19 |
| javispedro | bobbyd: that comes unchanged frm upstream. by default it does not iirc. | 03:19 |
| bobbyd | ok | 03:20 |
| bobbyd | I'm just trying to work out the best way to do that for arcem (which I'm very slowly porting) | 03:20 |
| Macer | i'm watching dr strangelove | 03:20 |
| javispedro | bobbyd: does that use sdl? | 03:21 |
| bobbyd | no, it's X, but it would be easy to write the video data to anything | 03:22 |
| bobbyd | I was wondering if using ogles, rendering to a texture and then scaling that would be a decent way | 03:22 |
| shinkamui | well | 03:22 |
| shinkamui | everything worked out quite well | 03:22 |
| bobbyd | does SDL have hardware accelerated scaling? | 03:23 |
| javispedro | it will be faster to do in software for 2x, 4x, common ratios | 03:23 |
| bobbyd | (have / implement) | 03:23 |
| shinkamui | sent support at nokiausa an email about needing a replacement back | 03:23 |
| shinkamui | and I have my memory card working great | 03:23 |
| shinkamui | with the magnet in the mean time | 03:23 |
| javispedro | bobbyd: i am trying to experiment with that. for now, try to render the stuff you want scaled into a different x window | 03:23 |
| bobbyd | javispedro: you mean just scale it myself in software? or is there some feature of X that will scale my output? | 03:24 |
| javispedro | the h-d compositor will have support in pr 1.1 to composite certain windows "differently" | 03:24 |
| javispedro | scaling them, for example. | 03:25 |
| bobbyd | hmm | 03:25 |
| bobbyd | that's interesting | 03:25 |
| javispedro | which shouldn't kill performance since they're being uploaded to the pvr already | 03:25 |
| bobbyd | however I wonder if having the data in a texture would give me more flexibility, for zooming etc. | 03:25 |
| bobbyd | I mean using ogles | 03:25 |
| cehteh | uhm .. again, my n900 got quite warm, xinput-sounds at 100% cpu | 03:26 |
| javispedro | it probably will, but the end result is the texture being uploaded twice to the pvr, unless you're in fullscreen and non-composited | 03:26 |
| javispedro | i still don't know if there will be a way to choose between linear / nearest scaling methods in h-d | 03:27 |
| javispedro | but you'll be able to do all kinds of scaling with it | 03:27 |
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| javispedro | bobbyd: though feel free to try and report, of course :) | 03:28 |
| bobbyd | ok :) | 03:28 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, did the rgb vs mode make it into this version | 03:41 |
| lcuk | xv | 03:41 |
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| pupnik | cehteh: if you break/kill/disable pulseaudio, xinput-sounds can run up cpu when it can't output. perhaps that is triggered by a variety of things | 03:47 |
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| cehteh | pupnik: i didnt do anything actively .. was listening to webradio but since some time | 04:04 |
| cehteh | i just rebooted | 04:04 |
| shinkamui | if anyone cares | 04:05 |
| shinkamui | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38739 | 04:05 |
| shinkamui | the whole SDHC card issue resolved from beginning to end | 04:05 |
| shinkamui | with a good pic | 04:05 |
| shinkamui | hope it helps someone else in the future | 04:05 |
| cehteh | playing with emacs .. that should hardly infere with the sound system | 04:05 |
| pwnguin | unless emacs is cpu or ram heavy | 04:06 |
| toggles_w | is there a cron daemon available? | 04:06 |
| pupnik | thanksk shinkamui and good work | 04:07 |
| cehteh | shinkamui: actually the camera has a ir reflex sensor, not magent | 04:07 |
| toggles_w | aw.. alarmd.. | 04:07 |
| shinkamui | man pupnik, I was really worried I was going to have to send this thing back and wait another week for a replacement :) | 04:08 |
| shinkamui | cehteh really? how does that work? | 04:08 |
| cehteh | shinkamui: guess why there is a black and white stripe on the lens cover | 04:08 |
| shinkamui | oooh | 04:09 |
| shinkamui | I see | 04:09 |
| shinkamui | does that mean the sensor is always active/ | 04:09 |
| shinkamui | ? | 04:09 |
| cehteh | prolly yes, but these things dont need much power | 04:09 |
| cehteh | always means it sends a short dim ir light flash every some milliseconds | 04:10 |
| ali1234 | i wish they'd use same arrangement for kb slider | 04:11 |
| cehteh | i suspect all this magnets where the final dent in no compass on the gps | 04:11 |
| ali1234 | cos it's really annoying when case magnet triggers the screen to flip around when you're trying to answer a call | 04:11 |
| n900evil | naah | 04:11 |
| n900evil | until recently compass woul add $30 or so to price | 04:12 |
| ali1234 | actually i don't know if that happens on n900, but it sure was annoying on my old winmo phone | 04:12 |
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| cehteh | n900evil: look at the price spans you can get the device anywhere between 480Eur to 630Eur or so, i think a 20Eur part wouldnt mean a big difference on retail prices, these are somewhat independent of plain materials price | 04:16 |
| pupnik | there are also space constraints | 04:16 |
| cehteh | and it it turns out that a compass would make it 15Eur more expensive but no one noticed because its just there then it would be fine | 04:16 |
| cehteh | pupnik: nah .. compas chips are very small | 04:17 |
| ali1234 | yeah but if they put all the gizmos everyone wanted in, it would be a lot more than €20 | 04:17 |
| pupnik | i wouldn't judge what can be packed into such a device unless i were an engineer involved in it | 04:17 |
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| cehteh | barometric sensor takes some space for example .. or xenon flash (charge cap) | 04:17 |
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| cehteh | pupnik: well i am user in this sense and i know more what *I* would like than a engineer | 04:18 |
| ali1234 | cehteh: you want the moon on a stick | 04:18 |
| cehteh | nah, compass is not that uncommon .. iphone has one, and many other devices too (dunno about the droids) | 04:19 |
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| pupnik | i've just been involved in a lot of things where "this would be cool to add" doesn't cut it for any number of reasons... compass would certainly be nice to have. | 04:20 |
| cehteh | yeah i seen a lot arguments about other things .. and first i thought i dont need the stylus for example | 04:20 |
| cehteh | but it turns out that the stylus is quite useful | 04:20 |
| cehteh | even if it takes quite a lot space | 04:20 |
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| cehteh | on the other side .. why dont drop the proximity and light sensor and use the front cam to sample light/proximity (dunno if it works well for the later, but hey we have a dsp, there is certainly some nice algo for that) | 04:22 |
| Arkenoi | you cannot do augmented reality things without compass | 04:23 |
| cehteh | well at least not easily | 04:23 |
| ali1234 | but, otoh, you cannot do augmented reality *with* a compass either | 04:23 |
| Arkenoi | ali1234, orly? there is at least 2 projects for android and they are alive and kicking. | 04:23 |
| villager | wouldn't you need the compass in the head tracker, not the phone/computer | 04:24 |
| ali1234 | and they actually work? | 04:24 |
| Arkenoi | and we missed this boat | 04:24 |
| lcuk | Arkenoi, you dont need a compass to have fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q | 04:24 |
| Arkenoi | yes | 04:24 |
| cehteh | well it doesnt need to be freaking augmented reality .. just sense of direction would be nice | 04:24 |
| lcuk | cehteh, direction? look at my video | 04:24 |
| lcuk | i know whats up and whats down | 04:24 |
| javispedro | !!! | 04:25 |
| javispedro | pupnik: http://www.imgtec.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=475 | 04:25 |
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| javispedro | that extension is present even on N810 | 04:25 |
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| pupnik | ty | 04:25 |
| cehteh | lcuk: accelerometer only finds the direction down to the center of gravity (well pluss movement ) | 04:26 |
| pupnik | nice find | 04:26 |
| javispedro | yeah | 04:26 |
| cehteh | well and i somehow wait for more 'useful' apps .. looks like playthings are easier to do | 04:27 |
| cehteh | a share things for scp was suggested, upload pics to your own server | 04:27 |
| lcuk | cehteh, you get to know how things flow by playing with them | 04:27 |
| * lcuk nods | 04:27 | |
| cehteh | search fuctionality within certain databases on the device | 04:28 |
| * lcuk nods again | 04:28 | |
| shinkamui | cehteh Im a little late to the party here, but a compass is mostly not that useful on the phone, though it would have been a nice addition for use with augmented reality apps | 04:28 |
| pupnik | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=15912 lftp | 04:29 |
| shinkamui | though the N900 definately has the power to utilize an AR glyph system | 04:29 |
| lcuk | didnt most augmented apps start with just a webcam tracking things | 04:29 |
| shinkamui | yea | 04:29 |
| lcuk | so why is a compass an essential now? | 04:29 |
| shinkamui | tracking glyphs, and orienting something to its location | 04:29 |
| shinkamui | lcuk | 04:29 |
| cehteh | but the DSP is not open or? | 04:29 |
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| lcuk | thats like saying you cant do 3d without a powervr ;) | 04:29 |
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| shinkamui | think of an AR system that works based on your location | 04:30 |
| shinkamui | like, nearest restaurants | 04:30 |
| derf | The DSP is open, to some degree. | 04:30 |
| cehteh | you dont want to track things on the CPU, thats really costly and can be easily done on the DSP | 04:30 |
| javispedro | easily? | 04:30 |
| cehteh | well better ... there are algos for that unless you want to do really fancy things its not too complicated | 04:31 |
| javispedro | damn flicker! | 04:31 |
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| lcuk | shinkamui, so why is a compass needed | 04:31 |
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| ali1234 | so that you can draw a wobbly arrow over a picture of what's in front of you, to show you where the restaurant is | 04:32 |
| cehteh | because it makes a lot things much easier | 04:32 |
| ali1234 | because that's somehow better than a map | 04:32 |
| cehteh | for example gps and compass can assist each other for calibration | 04:32 |
| shinkamui | lcuk | 04:33 |
| shinkamui | turn around in a circle without moving | 04:33 |
| shinkamui | and see if the gps can track where you face | 04:33 |
| lcuk | gps doesnt track me anyway | 04:33 |
| shinkamui | its hardly augmented reality, if the display can't update with your face | 04:33 |
| shinkamui | you need both a gps and a compass for that kind of hud AR | 04:33 |
| lcuk | im lucky if gps has me in the same place i am | 04:33 |
| lcuk | and not translocated on some building or country | 04:34 |
| shinkamui | glyph style AR doesn't need either | 04:34 |
| shinkamui | but is infinitely less interesting and infinitely less useful | 04:34 |
| lcuk | ok, so aliens style radar displays need compasses | 04:34 |
| DangerMaus | im currently sitting 1 chicago city block east of where i actualy am :) | 04:35 |
| lcuk | theres a honeywell i2c interface component available, and inside the n900 theres a blanking plate whos utility isnt known at this point | 04:35 |
| cehteh | DangerMaus: no gps signal but located by cell tower | 04:35 |
| lcuk | we tried looking earlier today | 04:35 |
| lcuk | to find a nice i2c slot | 04:35 |
| lcuk | i might sacrifice ome other component for it if now | 04:36 |
| DangerMaus | heh prob cehteh didnt think bout that | 04:36 |
| ali1234 | no need | 04:36 |
| ali1234 | i2c is a BUS | 04:36 |
| ali1234 | just tap in anywhere with wires | 04:36 |
| lcuk | ok so its just finding hotpoints for it? | 04:36 |
| lcuk | ok | 04:36 |
| cehteh | lcuk: well again where this started, the device has a lot buildin magnets .. i am not sure a compass can compensate those | 04:36 |
| lcuk | worth a try :) | 04:36 |
| cehteh | do it :) | 04:37 |
| lcuk | theres a decent thread on tmo about it | 04:37 |
| ali1234 | duct tape a bluetooth gps + compass to phone | 04:37 |
| lcuk | yeah theres a few people talking it up | 04:37 |
| lcuk | and we looked a bit today | 04:37 |
| lcuk | ali1234, ineligent | 04:37 |
| lcuk | its the sort of mod crave1 should be doing | 04:37 |
| ali1234 | so? | 04:37 |
| lcuk | craves1 | 04:37 |
| ali1234 | i still think AR is a pointless gimmick anyway | 04:38 |
| ali1234 | maybe there's a use for compass, but AR is not it | 04:38 |
| lcuk | you can have fun with it | 04:39 |
| Arkenoi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b64_16K2e08 <- you cannot do such things without a compass | 04:39 |
| lcuk | will make lasertag useful at very least | 04:39 |
| ali1234 | Arkenoi: that demo is clearly rigged | 04:39 |
| ali1234 | and besides, i don't care if i can't do that, cos i don't want to do that | 04:40 |
| ali1234 | a map displays the same information in a muchmore efficient way | 04:40 |
| javispedro | words first augmented reality waste of time. | 04:40 |
| lcuk | nahhh javispedro | 04:40 |
| lcuk | theres many more | 04:40 |
| shinkamui | I had layars on my iphone | 04:40 |
| * lcuk sleeps anyway | 04:40 | |
| shinkamui | it wasn't very good | 04:40 |
| shinkamui | but I've seen some excellent AR demos from nvidia | 04:40 |
| pwnguin | i think augmented reality on say a car might not be bad | 04:40 |
| javispedro | also | 04:41 |
| shinkamui | the tech is cool, but its not "consumable" yet | 04:41 |
| javispedro | when the earth's magnetic field finally collapses | 04:41 |
| shinkamui | yes, car AR would be awesome | 04:41 |
| javispedro | I will be the first to laugh | 04:41 |
| javispedro | ( ;) ) | 04:41 |
| ali1234 | hmm you do have a point there, on a car it might not totally suck | 04:41 |
| ali1234 | walking around with your phone held in front of you just makes you look like an idiot/gets your phone nicked | 04:42 |
| shinkamui | some very high end luxury cars have some AR already | 04:42 |
| Arkenoi | it is cool and there should be working framework to make it "consumable". if you do not have a working, yet not very usable, prototype framework, it is very hard to intoroduce one, it slows down all inventions | 04:42 |
| shinkamui | Mercedes SL class has object detection overlayed on the glass | 04:42 |
| cehteh | btw are there usb(host, to plugin on a standalone GPS for example) to bluetooth adapters | 04:43 |
| pupnik | I was followed once and filmed the persons with N900. They quickly left. | 04:43 |
| cehteh | not the opposite, the dongles you put into your laptops usb socket | 04:43 |
| Arkenoi | shinkamui, is there a video demo on the net? i'd like to see how the thing works | 04:43 |
| pwnguin | cehteh: that would be device not host | 04:44 |
| DangerMaus | .me usualy runs with a stand alone bluetoooth antenna | 04:44 |
| pupnik | i looked a long time for wireles usb convertors. seems the usb spec does not like the latencies introduced | 04:44 |
| ali1234 | pupnik: maybe they weren't following you and just got scared :S | 04:44 |
| cehteh | well the adapter acts as host then | 04:44 |
| pwnguin | ive seen a few but it's really not a good match | 04:44 |
| pupnik | all ive found are expensive, problematic ones | 04:44 |
| ali1234 | cehteh: there are bluetooth-serial adapters, and all standalone gps have some kind of serial port (not usb) | 04:45 |
| pwnguin | i gather you want to connect something like a keyboard without buying a bluetooth version | 04:45 |
| cehteh | i have a gps with serial and a gps with usb | 04:45 |
| pupnik | i would like a MIDI keyboard connected somehow to N900 | 04:45 |
| pwnguin | cehteh: it might possibly work for HID and serial but thats it | 04:45 |
| shinkamui | Arkenoi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cix3Ws2sOsU | 04:46 |
| shinkamui | nvidias AR demo | 04:46 |
| cehteh | pupnik: n900 has serial behind the battery, should be doable | 04:46 |
| shinkamui | glyph style | 04:46 |
| pwnguin | bluetooth hid i unsderstand to be based on USB HID | 04:46 |
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| cehteh | pupnik: i once added a serial port to my apple newton, fits like a charm, looks like factory made :) | 04:46 |
| pupnik | nice | 04:47 |
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| pwnguin | i recall seeing some actual ARquake | 04:47 |
| cehteh | one could prolly add a very tiny connector through the wristband hole .. | 04:48 |
| pwnguin | http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/arquake/ | 04:48 |
| ali1234 | i would go for bluetooth-serial adapter again | 04:48 |
| ali1234 | just make sure to get one that does none standard baud rates | 04:48 |
| ali1234 | you can probably get bluetooth-midi anyway | 04:48 |
| pupnik | http://xmidi.com/bluetooth.html | 04:49 |
| cehteh | well and make a charge stand for the n900 would be nice, but without disassemling it there are no power pins reachable | 04:49 |
| pupnik | amazingly... not | 04:49 |
| Arkenoi | shinkamui, i was asking about that mercedes thing. AR shooter game for cameraphone was first introduced for old s60 i think circa 2002, it worked on Nokia 7650 | 04:49 |
| shinkamui | no chance | 04:49 |
| shinkamui | that thing they're using has a Geforce 7 class in it | 04:49 |
| cehteh | better than breaking the micro usb out :/ | 04:49 |
| shinkamui | custom design | 04:49 |
| pwnguin | oh that reminds me | 04:50 |
| shinkamui | I don't have a demo of the mercedes | 04:50 |
| shinkamui | My brother has an SL 500 | 04:50 |
| pwnguin | what's this usb host mode package i see? | 04:50 |
| shinkamui | thats how I know about it | 04:50 |
| pwnguin | bogus? | 04:50 |
| fureddo | I need help. Someone reported a bug for my application but I cannot reproduce it on the emulator. Anyone have some time and a N900? | 04:50 |
| pupnik | which application? | 04:50 |
| fureddo | Details of the bug can be found here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/tomotko/0.11.2-9/ | 04:50 |
| ali1234 | pupnik: that letter is retarded, midi is just rs232 with a none standard baud rate, bluetooth can already handle that... it just needs someone to actually build it | 04:50 |
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| ali1234 | maybe i should build it, if it's really so in demand | 04:51 |
| pwnguin | how would you pair it? | 04:51 |
| pupnik | "This paper describes a preliminary work carried on to assess the use of Bluetooth technology to transport MIDI data streams." http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/wrapper.jsp?arnumber=1612507 | 04:52 |
| ali1234 | http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/wrapper.jsp?arnumber=1612507 <- suggests bluetooth timing isn't good enough | 04:52 |
| ali1234 | snap | 04:53 |
| pwnguin | hah | 04:53 |
| pwnguin | packages usbcontrol | 04:53 |
| pwnguin | 'enables usb host port to use eg mem sticks, keyboards and mice' | 04:53 |
| pupnik | that was exact timing here ali1234 | 04:53 |
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| pupnik | iirc midi has same signal levels as rs232... so here's an option | 04:58 |
| pupnik | http://www.roalan.com/Bluetooth%20Wireless%20Serial%20RS232%20Converter.htm | 04:58 |
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| pupnik | http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/serial/index.html midi-to-serial DIY interface | 04:59 |
| ali1234 | if you have full control over the uart clock you don't even need circuitry | 05:00 |
| ali1234 | most arm chips have that | 05:00 |
| pupnik | Sellinng the midi-bt adapter means you can also sell the software to make the music | 05:00 |
| pupnik | youd need to make iphone and s60 versions too | 05:01 |
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| fureddo | Anyone with a N900, could you tell me what happens when you hit CTRL+SPACE? | 05:03 |
| pupnik | nothing happened in browser | 05:03 |
| pupnik | in terminal i see "input language switched" | 05:04 |
| fureddo | Ah!!! | 05:04 |
| fureddo | I think that's interesting. | 05:04 |
| ali1234 | i dont | 05:04 |
| pupnik | I haven't read about it in any of the forums. Did you discover it fureddo ? | 05:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | On mine, a monkey popped out of the 3.5mm socket, and yelled 'fish' in a norwegian accent. | 05:04 |
| ali1234 | i just get a space :( | 05:05 |
| fureddo | pupnik, Not yet but that's probably what caused the bug. I think that if I just change the keyboard accelerator CTRL+SPACE that was used by my application to something else that it will prevent the bug occurring again. | 05:05 |
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| fureddo | pupnik, It may be a bug related to Qt, actually, and not necessarily my application. | 05:06 |
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| pupnik | ah midi runs 31,250 baud hehe. now i understand ali1234 | 05:07 |
| ali1234 | do you remember this thing? http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=698 | 05:09 |
| ali1234 | inside it there is just a 74L04 buffer costing about 10p | 05:10 |
| SpeedEvil | more then | 05:10 |
| angasule | hmm, the browser isn't working, it hangs no matter how I try to open it | 05:10 |
| ali1234 | because the amiga could do MIDI on it's serial port just like the ST ... it just didn't have the right socket | 05:10 |
| SpeedEvil | even 74 logic wasn't very cheap | 05:10 |
| pupnik | I remember picking up June 1986 BYTE magazine in library and seing an article written by a 17 year old on building a MIDI pc adapter | 05:11 |
| pupnik | the roalan.com adapter claims async 1.2-115.2kbps full duplex | 05:12 |
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| odinm | how much rootfs space does fennec use? | 05:21 |
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| odinm | maybe the maemo packager should calc rootfs and /hp | 05:22 |
| odinm | ... and /home fs usage and provide info in description | 05:22 |
| shinkamui | fennec is damn slo | 05:24 |
| shinkamui | w | 05:24 |
| shinkamui | I have the nightly build repo added | 05:24 |
| shinkamui | someone said though that there was an actual release today? | 05:24 |
| odinm | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/ | 05:25 |
| shinkamui | what was the name of that plugin fennec uses to sync with the full desktop version | 05:26 |
| shinkamui | x something | 05:26 |
| shinkamui | weave | 05:26 |
| pupnik | clever idea odinm | 05:27 |
| cehteh | shinkamui: i gave up on fennec for now .. i hope the prereleases are debug builds which do some resource intensive things which wil finally optimized out | 05:28 |
| shinkamui | me too | 05:29 |
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| shinkamui | fennec looks cool, but its slow as a nuttsack | 05:29 |
| cehteh | if not, fennec will never get a dent. at least not until we have phones with 2Ghz processors and 2GB Ram :P | 05:29 |
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| shinkamui | lol | 05:33 |
| shinkamui | I remember trying a mobile build of mozilla on a pocketpc some years ago | 05:34 |
| shinkamui | it was attroicious | 05:34 |
| cehteh | tear looks nice .. at least in sense of potential, but i think microb is stil the most useful and fast browser on the n900 | 05:34 |
| shinkamui | but with 3 times the power its unfortunate the performance hasn't improved much after all these years | 05:34 |
| angasule | hmm, openssh seems to hang during install :/ | 05:35 |
| cehteh | huh | 05:35 |
| cehteh | not here | 05:35 |
| pupnik | i have built the ugliest, fastest graphical browser cehteh :) links2 with graphics and mouse support | 05:35 |
| cehteh | it asks for a new user password | 05:35 |
| cehteh | pupnik: for n900? please send it to testing! | 05:35 |
| pupnik | it's breathtakingly ugly and yet... fun too | 05:35 |
| pupnik | no way | 05:35 |
| angasule | yes, after the new password dialogue | 05:36 |
| angasule | oh, there it finished, I wonder what it was doing | 05:36 |
| cehteh | pupnik: they once had javascript too .. quite broken :P | 05:36 |
| angasule | entropy, perhaps? | 05:36 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: buy me a N900 and I will port links2 for you :D | 05:36 |
| cehteh | pupnik: i like links2 as doc viewer | 05:36 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: lol, i can do that by myself if i am in dare need | 05:36 |
| luke-jr | :p | 05:36 |
| cehteh | but if pupnik already did, why not push it to testing? | 05:37 |
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| cehteh | reminds me that i still need to cancel my 2nd n900 order .. if i dont want to send this amazon warehouse deal back :P | 05:39 |
| pupnik | if you want it it's on my site, just install by hand | 05:39 |
| cehteh | pupnik: well its not hildonized or? | 05:40 |
| pupnik | nope... same exe runs on 770, N800, N810, N900 | 05:40 |
| cehteh | at least for scrolling that would be a requirement | 05:40 |
| pupnik | then it would be less ugly | 05:40 |
| cehteh | how can one make scrollbars biggier for non hildonized apps (like emacs) | 05:41 |
| cehteh | mhm maybe gtkrc ... | 05:41 |
| shinkamui | Threads Tagged with premature ejaculation | 05:43 |
| shinkamui | Firefox Browser is out!!!! (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 ) | 05:43 |
| shinkamui | ha ha ha | 05:43 |
| cehteh | well for the deaktop 3.5 was/is a big improvement over 3.1 | 05:45 |
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| shinkamui | hmm, todays beta is running a little better | 05:50 |
| shinkamui | its almost...dare I say...useable | 05:50 |
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| odinm_ | when N900 crashes does it drop Opps ? | 05:51 |
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| odinm_ | bootreason=32wd_to | 05:55 |
| Vratha | oh, holy crap, nokia messaging is horrible | 05:55 |
| Vratha | either that or the n900 email app is horrible | 05:55 |
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| odinm_ | email app needs some work for sure esp with network protocol side | 05:55 |
| Vratha | yeah, yesterday, i couldn't send mail | 05:56 |
| odinm_ | i dont like the IM having all contacts jumbled up | 05:56 |
| Vratha | so, i changed my theme back to the original theme, thinking that somehow screwed it up | 05:56 |
| Vratha | then i deleted my email settings and redid them, and it worked again | 05:56 |
| Vratha | and just now, none of the email seems to be working | 05:56 |
| Vratha | so i'm going to remove nokia messaging and just go directly with gmail and see if that helps | 05:56 |
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| Vratha | odinm_: yeah, i don't like that at all either | 05:58 |
| shinkamui | my grievance with the email system is that mail isn't downloaded as it comes in | 05:58 |
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| shinkamui | so ithe client feels sluggish | 05:58 |
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| Vratha | it's not just sluggish; it actually sometimes isn't doing anything useful other than running your network connection | 06:00 |
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| SmilyOrg | shinkamui same here | 06:04 |
| SmilyOrg | i have the same issue with thunderbird too | 06:05 |
| SmilyOrg | but that doesn't belong here :P | 06:05 |
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| odinm | 2nd unexpected poweroff in 20min again bootreason=32wd_to | 06:09 |
| odinm | just xchat and rss reader open, plugged into charger using wlan for connectivity | 06:09 |
| Vratha | odinm: chalk it up to the software being suck | 06:10 |
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| johnx | m00f! | 06:12 |
| pupnik | wb johnx | 06:12 |
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| odinm | but isn't it a "kernel" watchdog? | 06:15 |
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| odinm | so kernel is stuck not app? | 06:15 |
| pupnik | where do we see bootreason again? /proc? | 06:15 |
| johnx | yeah | 06:17 |
| johnx | cat /proc/bootreason | 06:17 |
| Vratha | i don't see duke nukem 3d in the extras-testing | 06:20 |
| Vratha | i think someone lied | 06:20 |
| * cehteh reflashed 2 days ago since it was bricked after too much reboots and no reboot since then | 06:20 | |
| cehteh | Vratha: its there, but i didnt figured out how to use it | 06:20 |
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| pupnik | johnx: today you missed: keyboard fix for dosbox by javis, ogl-ES dice simulator by ali123 .. some other fun stuff | 06:21 |
| johnx | bricked = unfixable | 06:21 |
| johnx | pupnik, cool to see the gl-es stuff being used. did the framebuffer issue get fixed? | 06:21 |
| pupnik | you mean for blitting/scaling? | 06:21 |
| cehteh | johnx: hang on boot oOooo | 06:22 |
| johnx | err, I dunno, but I heard that at first it was displaying in a totally garbled way | 06:22 |
| cehteh | hhmm .. why doesnt emacs respect my gtkrc? | 06:22 |
| pupnik | afaik that is not solved | 06:22 |
| Vratha | cehteh: it's in extras-devel, not extras-testing like this site i saw said | 06:25 |
| cehteh | could be | 06:25 |
| Vratha | it is | 06:26 |
| SplasPood | heh | 06:26 |
| pupnik | http://www.imgtec.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=475 johnx - javis found this today | 06:26 |
| johnx | pupnik, is something similar available for other GPUs (ie, nvidia or ati on the desktop)? or is this a neat trick that only the omap3/sgx can do? | 06:28 |
| Vratha | wtf, no duke nukem 3d sound | 06:28 |
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| GAN900 | Man, my slide has gone so crooked. | 06:29 |
| johnx | really? what happened? | 06:29 |
| GAN900 | Dunno | 06:29 |
| GAN900 | It's just slowly gone off over time | 06:29 |
| GAN900 | It's about half a mm down on the right side. | 06:29 |
| jX | so, I'm all kinds of happy about my 900, but I can't seem to find skype. So I go to skype.com, as well as maemo-select, and they both say to go to skype.com/m where it also isn't. | 06:29 |
| GAN900 | September proto, mind you. | 06:29 |
| johnx | jX, it's on the device already, but no video yet | 06:30 |
| jX | hints on where to find it? | 06:30 |
| GAN900 | jX, account settings. | 06:30 |
| GAN900 | It's built-in, bub. | 06:30 |
| johnx | jX, open the phone app -> menu -> accounts | 06:30 |
| jX | ahh | 06:31 |
| jX | well, that's intuitive. | 06:31 |
| jX | thanks. :) | 06:31 |
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| GAN900 | johnx, weird thing is, when I correct it with a hand the left edge gets uneven. . . . | 06:32 |
| johnx | is something stuck back there? | 06:32 |
| jX | oh yeah, what IRC client are y'all using? | 06:33 |
| johnx | or maybe one slide is over-extended, not under-extended? | 06:33 |
| johnx | jX, on the N900? I was playing with x-chat and had a version that worked. I have to find the working one again, cause I think the one in extras-devel is definitely kinda b0rken | 06:33 |
| jX | I'm not thrilled with the idea of using pidgin again. | 06:34 |
| SplasPood | jX: XChat is in extras or devel, I forget... | 06:34 |
| cehteh | it crashed on me when i wanted to change some preferences | 06:34 |
| SplasPood | that is true.. | 06:35 |
| SplasPood | known bug, saw it listed somewhere... | 06:35 |
| GAN900 | johnx, nothing stuck as far as I can tell. | 06:35 |
| SplasPood | there is also irssi | 06:35 |
| johnx | GAN900, does it feel like it's snapping in on both sides? | 06:36 |
| GAN900 | johnx, yup, slide feels fine. | 06:36 |
| GAN900 | It just locks crooked, seemingly. :\ | 06:37 |
| cehteh | anyone of you had ever success uploading pics to ovi? | 06:37 |
| sulx | ye | 06:37 |
| cehteh | (created ovi account from the share preferences itself) | 06:37 |
| cehteh | doesnt work for me, just hangs | 06:37 |
| sulx | ye | 06:37 |
| johnx | I haven't figured out why I should use ovi instead of flickr, really | 06:38 |
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| cehteh | johnx: i dont have a flickr account .. and i dont think yahoo needs all my personal data (way more than ovi) to open an account there | 06:39 |
| cehteh | i am all after a scp share thing where i can upload to my own server | 06:40 |
| SplasPood | I'd like to make the photo uploading automatic | 06:40 |
| SplasPood | and have the option to use both flickr and scp/sftp/webdav/whatever at the same time | 06:40 |
| cehteh | yeah | 06:40 |
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| cehteh | well i dont want all my photo automatic uploaded, but for people with flatrate it might be useful | 06:41 |
| jaem|away | morning | 06:41 |
| johnx | wow. the yahoo ToS *is* actually kinda scary. "You also agree to: (a) Provide true, accurate, current and complete information about yourself ... and (b) maintain and update the Registration Data to keep it true ..." | 06:41 |
| cehteh | at least to ones own webspace and not publically | 06:41 |
| johnx | cehteh, you comfortable with a little scripting? | 06:42 |
| cehteh | johnx: yes, i dont want an account there .. | 06:42 |
| cehteh | johnx: uhm yes | 06:42 |
| johnx | ah, sorry. I misread what you said earlier. if you did want auto-upload you could do some neat tricks with dbus-monitor | 06:42 |
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| SplasPood | heh, I could cron it up too | 06:43 |
| cehteh | uhm why has mameo no lua community .. there is only lua51 but no libs, no rocks | 06:43 |
| cehteh | n900 has no cron by default | 06:44 |
| SplasPood | yea, but I bet I could build one.. | 06:44 |
| cehteh | sure | 06:44 |
| cehteh | hehe .. share connect over uucp :) | 06:45 |
| SplasPood | Oh thats a cute app, I never considered it... It uses the FM transmitter to send RDS, so it can display text on a capable radio's display | 06:45 |
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| SplasPood | FM RDS Notify in devel, haven't tried it yet because I lack any other radio | 06:46 |
| jaem|away | SplasPood, does the RDS transmitter app allow you to send arbitrary strings | 06:46 |
| cehteh | yeah sms on your car hifi ... | 06:46 |
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| cehteh | jaem|away: yes looks like someone figured that out :) | 06:46 |
| cehteh | i dont have a radio :) .. but cool idea | 06:47 |
| jaem|away | cehteh, yay | 06:47 |
| jaem|away | I don't either, but I agree | 06:47 |
| cehteh | counts as 'useful app' .. | 06:47 |
| * johnx is no longer amused by fetchmail :| | 06:47 | |
| cehteh | on the n900? | 06:47 |
| johnx | in general | 06:48 |
| cehteh | well ok then | 06:48 |
| johnx | probably user-error but for a second I thought it deleted all my mail from 2005 on and I nearly had a heart attack :S | 06:48 |
| cehteh | can fetchmail do imap4 with idle support and does modest support local maildirs? | 06:48 |
| jaem|away | cehteh, hmm... do you have a link to the code handy, or should I search for it? | 06:48 |
| cehteh | jaem|away: no i dont have | 06:49 |
| jaem|away | kk | 06:49 |
| * jaem|away just had an idea | 06:49 | |
| jaem|away | what's the app called? | 06:49 |
| Bolapara | anyone have any luck getting 'screen' installed on an n900? | 06:49 |
| johnx | cehteh, even if it doesn't support local maildirs, you could still use a local imap proxy | 06:49 |
| jaem|away | is it just "FM RDS Notify"? | 06:49 |
| cehteh | well, a useable mail client is to be seen on n900 :/ | 06:50 |
| SplasPood | jaem|away: yea | 06:50 |
| cehteh | claws is not hildonized, and not terribly stable (ok it works) | 06:50 |
| jaem|away | cehteh, it's more usable than Modest in Diablo, at least | 06:50 |
| SplasPood | jaem|away: dunno if it allows random stuff | 06:50 |
| johnx | heh. strangely modest has always worked well for me | 06:50 |
| SplasPood | it said SMS, music names, etc... | 06:51 |
| cehteh | modest make fame of its name as in features and usability | 06:51 |
| pupnik | Bolapara: what is the problem with it? | 06:51 |
| jaem|away | it's still lacking things like "search", but at least (in my experience) it works, and at a reasonable speed | 06:51 |
| jaem|away | Modest in Diablo didn't like my Gmail IMAP | 06:51 |
| cehteh | it lacks sooo much | 06:51 |
| jaem|away | cehteh, yeah | 06:51 |
| jaem|away | but it's not fundamentally flawed, from what I can see... it just needs work | 06:51 |
| jaem|away | and as long as someone gets to it, I'm fine with that | 06:52 |
| jaem|away | cehteh, no search is kind of ridiculous, I admit | 06:52 |
| cehteh | it still has no imap idle ... lacks folder subscritions, notifies only the most recent mail (hey i want another layer of subscriptions and only get notifies for selected folders), no searched | 06:52 |
| cehteh | no subfolders | 06:52 |
| Bolapara | pupnik: im referring to the program that multiplexes terminls | 06:52 |
| cehteh | poor performance with imap4 (well thats on the fix) | 06:53 |
| jaem|away | cehteh, I noticed one interesting thing, although it may be something completely mundane that I'm just not up on... | 06:53 |
| Bolapara | called gnu screen | 06:53 |
| cehteh | jaem|away: well somehow modest is something nokia gets paied for :( | 06:53 |
| pupnik | Yes, reading comprehension is a problem for many people... | 06:53 |
| SplasPood | screen > * | 06:53 |
| jaem|away | cehteh, I normally use the Gmail Folders mod through a Firefox addon, that simulates subfolder arrangements with '/'-delimited labels... | 06:54 |
| cehteh | jaem|away: i have my own mail server and 1.5gb maildir ... | 06:54 |
| jaem|away | and Modest displays them all inline, but marks the "subfolders" with a bullet per level of depth | 06:54 |
| cehteh | and quite some subfolders | 06:55 |
| jaem|away | cehteh, I'm planning on setting up a mail server at some point | 06:55 |
| cehteh | well wait for a useable mail client on n900 first :P | 06:55 |
| jaem|away | but my friend and I share the bill for the server, and we wanted to give it a few months to make sure we are going to keep it long-term before switching | 06:55 |
| cehteh | jep we run a open source projects server with a handful of people | 06:56 |
| jaem|away | cehteh, ah | 06:56 |
| johnx | jaem|away, aw. rolling your own mail server for fun. always a painful experience :) | 06:56 |
| cehteh | nah | 06:57 |
| jaem|away | ours doesn't have much (I think my friend is moving his blog to it), but we have some plans | 06:57 |
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| cehteh | postfix & dovecot .. works fine and is manageable | 06:57 |
| jaem|away | the main one is to run a DHT bootstrap node for a project we are planning out | 06:57 |
| jaem|away | if we ever get it done :P | 06:57 |
| jaem|away | it's a drop-in addon for pacman (Arch Linux) to allow package distribution via bittorrent | 06:58 |
| cehteh | i think i have about 10 vservers on that box | 06:58 |
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| johnx | cehteh, ldap or mysql? | 06:58 |
| jaem|away | cehteh, specs? | 06:58 |
| cehteh | johnx: no db | 06:58 |
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| johnx | aaah, unix accounts? | 06:58 |
| cehteh | johnx: only mailinglists and forwarding accounts | 06:59 |
| cehteh | my own mailserver is here at home, unix accounts there | 06:59 |
| johnx | I'm doing dovecot+postfix+LDAP+webmail+caldav for work and it's less than straightforward :) | 06:59 |
| SplasPood | yea I used to run my own as well | 07:00 |
| cehteh | yeah, thats way more than we have | 07:00 |
| SplasPood | running your own mail server is for the birds | 07:00 |
| SplasPood | sure it all SOUNDS like fun at first :P | 07:00 |
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| jaem|away | SplasPood, only if you use IPoA | 07:00 |
| jaem|away | -snerk- | 07:01 |
| SplasPood | I actually switched to gmail for domains | 07:01 |
| SplasPood | BUT I still pass all the email through my own exim instance... | 07:01 |
| SplasPood | Running a very simple instance of exim I can deal with | 07:01 |
| johnx | SplasPood, agreed for the most part :) I'm willing to put up with the upfront time-sink at the beginning, but what really kills it is dealing with spam filtering :| | 07:01 |
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| Arkenoi | is it safe to remove localization packages you never need? there are *hundreds* of those. | 07:10 |
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| shinkamui | damn I hate my router | 07:11 |
| jaem|away | shinkamui, what's the issue? | 07:11 |
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| shinkamui | it just resets all connections on me randomly and periodically | 07:13 |
| shinkamui | I lose all my ssh, irc, and IM connections | 07:14 |
| shinkamui | and the services on my NAS disconnect and reconnect | 07:14 |
| johnx | is it a linux-based router? | 07:14 |
| shinkamui | no, thats probably the problem | 07:14 |
| shinkamui | its a cheapie netgear | 07:14 |
| shinkamui | im gonna replace it in the next few days | 07:14 |
| shinkamui | either with a wrt54gl or a cisco router | 07:14 |
| johnx | good plan | 07:15 |
| jaem|away | shinkamui, my GL's okay, but it's still pretty cheap | 07:15 |
| jaem|away | it's hard to find a good router for any sane price | 07:15 |
| johnx | it's sad that the wrt54gl is still the most reliable/well-supported thing out there essentially :| | 07:15 |
| shinkamui | yea | 07:15 |
| jaem|away | the consumer ones stink, for the most part, and anything else is generally too expensive, and/or overkill | 07:15 |
| shinkamui | I had great success with dd-wrt on my old wrt54g | 07:15 |
| shinkamui | until it burned outduring a lighning storm | 07:16 |
| shinkamui | replaced it with this netgear and I've been crying ever seince | 07:16 |
| shinkamui | since | 07:16 |
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| shinkamui | just needed something to get all my computers back up | 07:16 |
| shinkamui | and I put it off and put it off until now its pretty much culminated | 07:16 |
| shinkamui | into a do or die situation | 07:17 |
| jaem|away | shinkamui, my friend toasted two nice Cisco routers, and we have no idea why | 07:18 |
| jaem|away | if it wasn't for the fact that we killed two of them in the exact same configurations and circumstances, I'd call it coincidence | 07:19 |
| jaem|away | ...I still might | 07:19 |
| shinkamui | lol | 07:19 |
| jaem|away | what happened was that we tried to pull a file from FTP (a repo mirror, I think), and the connection hung | 07:19 |
| johnx | I still hate working with IOS | 07:19 |
| jaem|away | checked the router, and it was bricked | 07:19 |
| jaem|away | :/ | 07:19 |
| jaem|away | very odd | 07:19 |
| jaem|away | and it sounds improbable | 07:19 |
| jaem|away | but we don't have any other ideas | 07:20 |
| jaem|away | lol | 07:20 |
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| shinkamui | wow | 07:23 |
| shinkamui | and you bricked 2 routers that way? | 07:23 |
| shinkamui | thats crazy | 07:23 |
| jaem|away | shinkamui, well, I can't prove it was the cause | 07:24 |
| jaem|away | that would be one heck of a bug if it was :P | 07:24 |
| jaem|away | these weren't cheap ones, either | 07:24 |
| jaem|away | now he just runs a pfSense VM :) | 07:24 |
| pupnik | maybe you have power problems? | 07:24 |
| jaem|away | pupnik, oh, it wouldn't surprise me, given the general "care" with which they maintain the Residence rooms, but he runs everything through a fairly decent UPS | 07:25 |
| jaem|away | pupnik, we were going to see if we could revive them with the magic that is JTAG, but we never got around to it | 07:25 |
| johnx | hmmm...I keep thinking about a UPS for home, but it always feels silly to go AC-DC and DC-AC with a pile of (essentially) car batteries | 07:26 |
| shinkamui | lol johnx | 07:26 |
| shinkamui | that | 07:26 |
| shinkamui | was | 07:26 |
| shinkamui | awesome | 07:26 |
| cehteh | $ uptime | 07:27 |
| cehteh | 06:27:02 up 398 days, | 07:27 |
| pupnik | that was obvious | 07:27 |
| cehteh | .. needs a new kernel in 2 days ... and no i dont have a ups | 07:27 |
| cehteh | i doubt i need one :P | 07:27 |
| shinkamui | one more thing | 07:27 |
| shinkamui | I fucking love the N900 | 07:27 |
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| shinkamui | using apt on my iphone was about 10x slower | 07:28 |
| n900evil | built in ups here. | 07:28 |
| johnx | shinkamui, and the best part is that it's true for any "normal" UPS | 07:28 |
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| pupnik | APC was an unusually good company back in the 90s | 07:28 |
| pupnik | but UPSes are a PITA | 07:28 |
| johnx | given that routers and low-end NASes tend to run off relatively low power DC (5v or 9v or 12v) I keep wanting to make a proper lithium-ion powered UPS that outputs, or maybe just get a battery for each device | 07:29 |
| jaem|away | cehteh, I recall seeing something about a method for hotswapping kernels at some point... have you heard of it? | 07:29 |
| jaem|away | I just remembered, and I can't think of the name | 07:29 |
| cehteh | kexec or the other hotpatch thing yes | 07:29 |
| SpeedEvil | kexec | 07:29 |
| shinkamui | anyone tried installing Citrix lately on the N900 | 07:29 |
| SplasPood | ksplice was it? | 07:29 |
| shinkamui | I want to try the arm build | 07:29 |
| cehteh | but thats kindof limited, the services have to be shutdown for kexec and anyways once a fsck every year or so is not wrong | 07:30 |
| cehteh | yes ksplice .. but that only hotpatches the running kernel, doesnt swap | 07:30 |
| cehteh | my server has less uptime :P .. i configured a quite pedantic watchdog there and when its router doesnt ping it reboots | 07:31 |
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| jaem|away | hrm... is this RDS Notify program not FOSS? | 07:33 |
| jaem|away | it's in Garage, but its source is not hosted there | 07:33 |
| jaem|away | oh, never mind | 07:34 |
| jaem|away | silly me | 07:34 |
| cehteh | how long can RDS messages be? | 07:34 |
| cehteh | and its quite funny if anyone in the car next to you can read your SMS :P | 07:34 |
| pupnik | it would be if the FM radio had that range | 07:35 |
| jaem|away | oh good grief | 07:36 |
| cehteh | maybe you shall send "Oil pressure fault, Please stop immediately" .. tune in a common frequency and the ride the highway :) | 07:36 |
| jaem|away | GVoice Telepathy plugin is called "telepathy-theonering"?! | 07:36 |
| jaem|away | *facepalm* | 07:36 |
| cehteh | pupnik: well next car should work .. considering that the antennas are outside | 07:36 |
| jaem|away | I *like* silly FOSS naming conventions, but that's pushing it | 07:36 |
| jaem|away | lol | 07:36 |
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| johnx | mmm, think I might pick up a netgear WNR3500L soonish | 07:38 |
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| luke-jr | why? | 07:39 |
| jX | so is there really a front facing camera in this puppy? Any one know of software that can access it? | 07:39 |
| johnx | luke-jr, out-of-the-box linux support and very nice specs | 07:39 |
| cehteh | jX: 'mirror' | 07:40 |
| jaem|away | jX, yes, there is a camera, and you can use it | 07:40 |
| jaem|away | but not much does | 07:40 |
| jaem|away | what cehteh said | 07:40 |
| luke-jr | johnx: like actual Linux, or some proprietary fork like Linksys does? | 07:40 |
| jX | wicked | 07:40 |
| johnx | luke-jr, it ships with openwrt | 07:40 |
| cehteh | but dont be shocked you dont look that bad, the camera/firmware is utterly crap | 07:40 |
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| jX | now, I should search for mirror in the app manager, or it's installed already? | 07:40 |
| shinkamui | might be a sutpid question | 07:40 |
| jaem|away | jX, yeah, it really is | 07:40 |
| shinkamui | but if I ahve a program thats looking for Motif | 07:40 |
| shinkamui | v3 | 07:40 |
| luke-jr | johnx: that doesn't really answer. RouterBoard ships with Openwrt too | 07:40 |
| jaem|away | shinkamui, bwahahaah | 07:40 |
| jaem|away | good luck | 07:40 |
| shinkamui | damn | 07:41 |
| shinkamui | so no go on making a fake simlink to libXm.so.6 | 07:41 |
| jaem|away | shinkamui, why not just get CDE running on the N900 while you're at it | 07:41 |
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| jaem|away | shinkamui, Motif? Seriously? | 07:41 |
| shinkamui | *bwapp!* | 07:41 |
| luke-jr | johnx: 8 MB flash is not very much | 07:41 |
| * shinkamui takes a shot tot he face | 07:41 | |
| shinkamui | jaem|away: citrix :) | 07:41 |
| jaem|away | shinkamui, ah | 07:41 |
| jaem|away | well, I'm not saying it's impossible | 07:41 |
| jaem|away | I'm just laughing at you :) | 07:41 |
| shinkamui | jaem|away I can' get the client to run, but not the manager | 07:41 |
| johnx | luke-jr, USB and 64MB of RAM and built-in wifi, plus a nice solid case | 07:42 |
| shinkamui | which makes it useless | 07:42 |
| johnx | but the routerboard does look kinda interesting | 07:42 |
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| johnx | shinkamui, run it in a debian chroot | 07:42 |
| shinkamui | yea, I read that a lot actually | 07:43 |
| luke-jr | johnx: nope, can't run Linux on WNR3500L | 07:43 |
| shinkamui | was hoping I might be able to make it run natively | 07:43 |
| luke-jr | johnx: it uses an undocumented Broadcom chipset apparently | 07:43 |
| luke-jr | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/10/07/#20091007-netgear_myopenrouter | 07:43 |
| johnx | luke-jr, uhm...it *does* run linux | 07:44 |
| luke-jr | johnx: no, it runs a proprietary fork | 07:44 |
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| luke-jr | proprietary fork of Linux != Linux | 07:44 |
| jX | you realize that's a contradiction in terms, right? | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | jX: only in theory | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | jX: in practice, it's pretty commonplace for routers | 07:45 |
| jX | either you run linux, or you don't. you can't close source a fork, only your non-linked emhancements | 07:45 |
| jX | no, that's called "theft" | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | jX: they do it anyway | 07:45 |
| jX | not a fork | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | it's called copyright infringement | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | but nobody sues | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 07:45 |
| jX | yes, and they routinely get called on teh carpet for forced to open the code | 07:45 |
| jX | actually, they do | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | jX: nope | 07:45 |
| jX | yup | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | nVidia still gets away with it. Linksys still gets away with it. | 07:45 |
| jX | I can cite cases | 07:45 |
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| jX | nvidia gets away with what now? | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | proprietary fork of Linux | 07:46 |
| jX | and where is this fork run? | 07:46 |
| dmj7261 | you mean proprietary drivers, right? | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | most desktop Linux PCs with nVidia cards | 07:46 |
| jX | I don't htink he knwos what he means. | 07:46 |
| dmj7261 | I don't know of nvidia releasing a fork | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | dmj7261: Linux doesn't have "drivers" in the microkernel sense, it has hardware support | 07:46 |
| johnx | luke-jr, pretty sure the nvidia kernel code is actually open | 07:47 |
| jX | nvidia's blobs are kernel modules | 07:47 |
| jX | not ther kernel | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | Linux is a monolithic kernel. All "drivers" are part of it. | 07:47 |
| jX | wrong | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | johnx: not GPL-compatible | 07:47 |
| jX | it can link to closed source blobs and still comply with the GPL | 07:47 |
| jX | that doesn't count as a "fork" | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | jX: wrong | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | read the GPL | 07:47 |
| jX | I have | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | you cannot link to closed source blobs | 07:47 |
| jX | but you CAN load them | 07:47 |
| jX | the link headers are open source | 07:47 |
| jX | and those call the closed BLOB which is fine. | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | jX: open source != GPL-compatible | 07:48 |
| johnx | luke-jr, in the case of the kernel isn't there an explicit exception to the GPL for this specific case? | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | johnx: no | 07:48 |
| jX | lucent: Correct, also, day != night | 07:48 |
| jX | er, luke-jr | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | johnx: the ONLY exception to Linux's GPL is for userland | 07:48 |
| Termana | if nVidia were in violation of the GPL don't you think one of the many organisations that sue for violations of the GPL would of already started action? | 07:48 |
| jX | but back on topic | 07:48 |
| jX | that nvidia does is in fact fine by the GPL | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | Termana: nope, because of this exact problem :( | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | Termana: the person suing will get all the blame, and nVidia treated as a martyr | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | jX: nope | 07:49 |
| jX | yup | 07:49 |
| jX | this has been settled. | 07:49 |
| jX | long ago. | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | jX: it has been settled as illegal, long ago :) | 07:49 |
| jX | no, it's not | 07:49 |
| Vratha | nvidia as a martyr... i don't think courts give 2 god damns about that | 07:49 |
| jX | cite sources of please stop. | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | jX: go read Greg's article on Linux myths :p | 07:49 |
| pupnik | this is about the time when the folks in europe are sleeping, and suddenly there's no more coding happening | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/ols_2006_keynote.html | 07:49 |
| johnx | luke-jr, do you really think that http://gpl-violations.org/ is afraid of suing nvidia over this? | 07:49 |
| Vratha | nvidia isn't in violation of the GPL | 07:49 |
| jX | Vratha: correct. | 07:50 |
| Vratha | if they were, we'd have seen some lawsuit by now | 07:50 |
| jX | luke's had a little too much RMS tea. | 07:50 |
| Vratha | yeah | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | johnx: I'm not sure that gpl-violations.org has copyright of Linux | 07:50 |
| Termana | pupnik - thats right, luke-jr is awake which means its flamebaiting time | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: I can cite undeniable examples that prove that wrong | 07:50 |
| jX | ahh, I was unaware luke was a known troll. | 07:50 |
| jX | my bad. | 07:50 |
| * Termana grabs some popcorn | 07:51 | |
| jX | luke-jr: You're right, no need to continue arguing, you've shown us all the light. | 07:51 |
| Vratha | luke-jr: i doubt it | 07:51 |
| jX | moving on. | 07:51 |
| Vratha | and besides, i won't be clicking on any links you send | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: the Zaurus originally shipped with all those "drivers" in the single bzImage blob and nobody ever sued Sharp | 07:51 |
| Vratha | luke-jr: hang on, i'm not caring, and i also don't have background knowledge of the Zaurus and Sharp or this straw man | 07:51 |
| Termana | jX - not so much a troll. i just don't advise mentioning even the word proprietary around him | 07:51 |
| jX | Termana: Has no clue what it means, yeah... | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | "Closed source Linux kernel modules are illegal. That's it, it is very simple. I've had the misfortune of talking to a lot of different IP lawyers over the years about this topic, and every one that I've talked to all agree that there is no way that anyone can create a Linux kernel module, today, that can be closed source. It just violates the GPL due to fun things like derivative works and linking and other stuff. Again, it's very | 07:52 |
| johnx | luke-jr, so, how much would it cost me to get myself a decently functioning 802.11n routerboard system setup? | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | simple." | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | johnx: dunno, I'm still using g | 07:52 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: maybe look for an Atheros or Ralink chipset router | 07:53 |
| johnx | alright then, s/802.11n/802.11g/ | 07:53 |
| luke-jr | my G access point is a La Fonera, which is Atheros | 07:53 |
| Vratha | luke-jr: you are very very confused. for it to violate the GPL, they'd have to make their code an integral part of the kernel code. running your code in kernel space does not violate any license. no one said "only i can be in kernel space", and if they did, i doubt it'd be enforceable | 07:54 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: distributing GPL'd software linking to a blob is prohibited, and nVidia does just that | 07:54 |
| jaem|away | SplasPood, have you tried that RDS app? | 07:54 |
| Vratha | nvidia keeping its code in a separate space and using open source, GPL compatible headers to send messages to their blobs means nothing | 07:54 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: the only technicality is that it's not "copyright infringement", but rather "contract violation" | 07:54 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: the "headers" as you call them are not GPL compatible | 07:55 |
| Vratha | connecting your code to GPL'd code at runtime is not a violation. if it was, i wouldn't be able to make syscalls from kernel space without violating the GPL | 07:55 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: being derived work of Linux (undeniable), those "headers" are legally required to be GPL; distributing GPL'd code that links to proprietary blobs is prohibited by the GPL | 07:55 |
| Vratha | that's just unenforcable | 07:55 |
| Vratha | get over it | 07:55 |
| Vratha | and they've already not won that bet | 07:55 |
| jX | luke-jr: But GPL code that LOADS non-GPL code IS IN FACT LEGAL | 07:56 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: Linux has a specific exception for user-space | 07:56 |
| luke-jr | jX: not if it links to it also | 07:56 |
| Vratha | luke-jr: so? apparently the rest of their contract is unenforcable or some big names would've lost by now | 07:56 |
| Vratha | but none have | 07:56 |
| johnx | luke-jr, does it matter to you that the *author* of Linux sides against you? | 07:56 |
| luke-jr | johnx: there is no single author of Linux | 07:56 |
| jX | yes there is | 07:56 |
| jX | RMS wrote it all | 07:57 |
| johnx | there was at first ;) | 07:57 |
| Vratha | oh wow, a technicality | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | johnx: Greg (as I sourced a minute or two ago) is one of the major kernel developers | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | jX: AFAIK, RMS didn't write a line | 07:57 |
| Vratha | "it's not one person; it's many! i sure showed you!!!" | 07:57 |
| jX | RMS wrote all of Linux, which is why he wants it called GNU/Linux | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | no dobut RMS *would* sue if he had any code in there | 07:57 |
| Vratha | RMS would lose | 07:57 |
| jX | he is tired of that Torvoid kid ghetting all the credit. | 07:57 |
| jaem|away | jX, lol | 07:57 |
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| SplasPood | jaem|away: nah, I don't have any RDS capable devices | 07:58 |
| Arkenoi | hmm http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPII.dll?ViewItem&item=220526816961 i probably want this one | 07:58 |
| shinkamui | will formatting my SD card ext3 still allow it to automount | 07:58 |
| johnx | luke-jr, you're not doing a very good job of convincing me about the routerboard. :P | 07:58 |
| Vratha | hey everyone, i want you all to know that when i send IPC messages to my kernel-space blob, it's a violation of the contract! even though it isn't directly involved with the kernel in any way! except the message passing, and that's already GPL code! | 07:58 |
| shinkamui | or was that non automount problem only on earlier versions of maemo | 07:58 |
| jaem|away | SplasPood, did you see my bracelet hack? I'm curious if RDS might be a really cheap alternative | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | johnx: oh right, the routerboard does G too I think? | 07:59 |
| * RST38h slaughters a penguin for the RMS | 07:59 | |
| Termana | RMS wrote the userland utilities and not Linux | 07:59 |
| RST38h | RMS is God! | 07:59 |
| Vratha | luke-jr: what is your professional / educational background? | 07:59 |
| jX | RMS WROTE IT ALL | 07:59 |
| johnx | luke-jr, does it come with a wifi card? | 07:59 |
| jX | EVERY LINE | 07:59 |
| RST38h | YES | 07:59 |
| johnx | shinkamui, it automounted in maemo 4.1, but only the first partition | 07:59 |
| SplasPood | jaem|away: nope, no idea what you're referring to | 07:59 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Make sure keyboard is usable though | 07:59 |
| jaem|away | SplasPood, if it would work, I can probably convince ST Micro to sample me up some RDS decoders if I ask really nicely :) | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: it would be infringement, except that Linux isn't strict GPL, and has an explicit exception for userland | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | johnx: IIRC | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: I write software. Sometimes proprietary. | 08:00 |
| Termana | jX - lol obviously your being sarcastic | 08:00 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: according to the picture it should be.. | 08:00 |
| jX | sarcastic? No, sorry, I like girls. | 08:00 |
| RST38h | Termana: RMS disciples are never sarcastic | 08:00 |
| RST38h | RMS is not a sarcastic god. | 08:00 |
| Arkenoi | http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_1900000_11000787&products_id=26892 or is this one better? | 08:00 |
| Vratha | luke-jr: no, it doesn't matter what the GPL says. writing code that sends messages to other pieces of code doesn't violate anything. nvidia's primary driver only sends messages. the bulk of it isn't even part of the actual kernel | 08:00 |
| johnx | jX++ :D | 08:01 |
| Termana | luke-jr - if you write proprietary software, whats with the knee-jerk reaction towards proprietary code | 08:01 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: it doesn't "only send messages" | 08:01 |
| Vratha | if it did violate the contract, then the whole internet would be violating the contract, and as you can see, that is unconcionable (sp?) | 08:01 |
| Termana | lol @ jX and RST38h | 08:01 |
| luke-jr | Termana: I don't use proprietary software. | 08:02 |
| RST38h | luke: Really? | 08:02 |
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| Macer | hahahhahaha | 08:02 |
| pupnik | ~join us now and share the so-oftware~ | 08:02 |
| * jaem|away covers his ears | 08:02 | |
| Vratha | luke-jr: really? i didn't realize nvidia's kernel driver needed to use linux's SMP mechanisms or libs in order to write code to its own device. that would be crazy to think they could write their own! | 08:02 |
| pupnik | ~youlll be freee, hacker. youlll beee freeeeeee-ee-ee~ | 08:02 |
| jaem|away | it's worse when RMS sings it :P | 08:02 |
| Vratha | i also didn't realize you knew everything about nvidia's kernel driver! | 08:03 |
| jaem|away | that said, it was an "experience" | 08:03 |
| Macer | Vratha: Linux' .. no 's since X has an s sound at the end | 08:03 |
| Termana | jaem|away, lol | 08:03 |
| * Macer hides | 08:03 | |
| pupnik | <infobot> us now and share the so-oftware~ is not a valid channel name. | 08:03 |
| Vratha | Macer: it has an X sound | 08:03 |
| cehteh | mhm .. emacs has dbus support... one step closer to EmacsOS .. :) | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: whether or not it *has to*, it does | 08:03 |
| johnx | jaem|away, yeah, in the same way that falling down a flight of concrete stairs is an experience | 08:03 |
| Macer | X actually is like ks | 08:03 |
| jaem|away | pupnik, LOL | 08:03 |
| Macer | :) | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | sure, nVidia could loophole it and put their driver in userland | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | but they didn't | 08:04 |
| jaem|away | johnx, true, true | 08:04 |
| Vratha | Macer: cool, but here in english, we put 's after an X | 08:04 |
| Termana | who turned this into a samantics debate about the spelling of Linux! :P | 08:04 |
| jaem|away | Vratha, not as I was taught | 08:04 |
| Macer | the apostraphe would be placed at the end of x and not require a 's | 08:04 |
| jaem|away | but I must admit I'm inconsistent myself | 08:04 |
| pupnik | i actually like RMS's singing of it. cause it's *RMS*! :) | 08:04 |
| Macer | Vratha: canadian? :) | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | Macer: even if not required, it's not forbidden either | 08:04 |
| Vratha | Macer: no | 08:05 |
| Macer | luke-jr: nothing is forbidden. shakespeare invented hundreds of words :) | 08:05 |
| jaem|away | pupnik, well, yes, hence my comment about the "experience" - It was worth hearing once in person, but it is rather dreadful | 08:05 |
| Termana | Here in Australia i'm pretty sure we use 's after an X | 08:05 |
| Termana | and tell me | 08:05 |
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| Termana | when has australia ever been wrong? | 08:06 |
| jaem|away | well, in Canada I was taught no | 08:06 |
| Termana | :P | 08:06 |
| jaem|away | but that may well be wrong | 08:06 |
| jaem|away | for example, until about grade 6, they taught us about homonyms | 08:06 |
| Vratha | luke-jr: you are crazy. you assume putting any code in kernel space violates the GPL, which it doesn't | 08:06 |
| jaem|away | then afterwards, they started teaching the primary kids that they were called "homophones" | 08:06 |
| johnx | luke-jr, the routerboard is kinda steep once you add it all up :| | 08:06 |
| jaem|away | and it took a few years until I bothered to look it up and realize that not only was the second one wrong, but there's a difference :P | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: putting it in kernel space doesn't, but linking it with Linux internals does | 08:07 |
| RST38h | jaem: Another 5 years or so, and they will become homophobes | 08:07 |
| Vratha | also, you assume dynamically linking code violates the GPL, and i'm afraid to say, that unless that code actually belonged to the kernel in the first place, the courts (here in the USA at least) don't care | 08:07 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 08:07 | |
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| Termana | lol | 08:07 |
| johnx | jaem|away, homonyms and homophones are two different things (sound vs spelling, IIRC) | 08:07 |
| jaem|away | johnx, my point, yes | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: I'm not a lawyer; I only know the GPL rules, I don't know their extent of enforcability | 08:08 |
| johnx | ah, sorry. only half paying attention :) | 08:08 |
| cehteh | anyone knows how much mA the device draws, when idle/under load? .. without charging | 08:08 |
| RST38h | As a matte of fact, homophones and homonyms are a bit different | 08:08 |
| jaem|away | but they taught me just the one, then switched names for later classes, and then (AFAIK) never taught the difference | 08:08 |
| RST38h | homonyms are a subset of homophones | 08:08 |
| jaem|away | RST38h, yes, we've both said that | 08:08 |
| jX | RST38h: Hey hey, stop with the racial slurs, dude. | 08:08 |
| jaem|away | RST38h, fair point, actually | 08:08 |
| Vratha | anyway, i don't have any references to that but remember reading some case outcome like that. but you're free to mount a lawsuit against nvidia if you want to prove me wrong | 08:08 |
| jaem|away | jX, what? | 08:08 |
| Termana | lol jX | 08:09 |
| RST38h | jX: What racial slurs? =) | 08:09 |
| johnx | RST38h, they overlap, but they're not a strict subset I think | 08:09 |
| jaem|away | "now talking on #grammar" | 08:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: sound the same, not necessarily spell the same | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: though even if their driver itself isn't seen as contracting the GPL, nVidia still needed to accept the terms in order to copy Linux ever. | 08:09 |
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| Vratha | since no one is enforcing this part of the GPL, i think the courts would also kind of wonder why no one was ever called out on it until "now" (now being whenever a lawsuit is brought) | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | what's the chance they wrote their driver w/o copying Linux? ;) | 08:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: homonyms spell and sound the same (and yes I found it in wiki :)) | 08:09 |
| jX | jaem|away: Ever since I said I like girlshe keeps calling me a homonym | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: oh, it's been enforced, just not against nVidia | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | though in German courts | 08:09 |
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| johnx | RST38h, nevermind. just looked it up on wiki as well. I was about to say wind vs wind, but you're right | 08:10 |
| jaem|away | jX, newsflash - "homo" was a prefix long before the word "homosexual" was created | 08:10 |
| Vratha | again, nvidia is in america, and afaik, nvidia still releases their drivers to germans | 08:10 |
| johnx | jaem|away, that's what gay people want you to think | 08:10 |
| johnx | ...or something | 08:10 |
| jaem|away | ... | 08:10 |
| jaem|away | ahem | 08:10 |
| johnx | :) | 08:10 |
| jX | jaem|away: Newsflash, ther's nothign wrong with being a prefix! Some people are jsut born that way. | 08:10 |
| jaem|away | jX, rofl! | 08:10 |
| Vratha | so if nvidia is releasing their drivers in germany, then no one successfully enforced that rule in germany | 08:10 |
| RST38h | eek | 08:11 |
| Vratha | (i don't know if nvidia releases their linux drivers in germany) | 08:11 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: they have, just not against nVidia | 08:11 |
| Termana | and some people even have things suffixed at birth! | 08:11 |
| Vratha | luke-jr: if nvidia is releasing the drivers, then they didn't. | 08:11 |
| Vratha | or not to an extent that scares nvidia | 08:11 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: nVidia's alternatives are ceasing Linux support, providing userland drivers (slower), or opening the code | 08:12 |
| luke-jr | it would have to be *very* scary to get them to do anything | 08:12 |
| Vratha | nvidia's alternatives? you mean like ATI and other companies? | 08:12 |
| RST38h | Well, poor English-speaking peoplez | 08:12 |
| jaem|away | Vratha, ATI is an alternative? | 08:12 |
| jaem|away | ha | 08:12 |
| luke-jr | Vratha: alternatives to persisting in their violation | 08:12 |
| jaem|away | Vratha, if you buy a 5-year old card, maybe | 08:12 |
| RST38h | Hardly any prefixes. No multiple suffixes. No postfixes. | 08:13 |
| Vratha | jaem|away: okay, that is your opinion | 08:13 |
| RST38h | Miserable morphology, yesssss. | 08:13 |
| jaem|away | Vratha, I was kidding | 08:13 |
| jaem|away | and exaggerating | 08:13 |
| Vratha | :) | 08:13 |
| jaem|away | but I haven't exactly had food luck with them | 08:13 |
| johnx | RST38h, so I've actually been confusing homonym and homograph for a long time it seems, but OTOH, wiki defended my use of homonym in a "non-technical" sense (whatever that means) | 08:14 |
| Vratha | i've only been on a mac for a while anyway. my server is the only place i use either BSD or Linux | 08:14 |
| jaem|away | example: my current card (HD 2400 Pro) did not work with 5 subsequent versions of catalyst | 08:14 |
| Vratha | so i don't know about current driver support | 08:14 |
| RST38h | jaem: Hey, I am using Intel Integrated Graphics, the drivers are open =) | 08:14 |
| jaem|away | did not work, as in "X bombs immediately" | 08:14 |
| * RST38h laughs sadistically | 08:14 | |
| jaem|away | RST38h, at risk of inciting luke-jr's fury, I will admit I use nVidia | 08:14 |
| RST38h | johnx: AFAIK, nothing changes if you do not know what each of these are | 08:15 |
| luke-jr | jaem|away: RWOAR | 08:15 |
| jaem|away | I fully support FOSS, and nVidia does a really poor job of even playing nicely | 08:15 |
| jaem|away | however | 08:15 |
| RST38h | johnx: There is a dozen or two of categories | 08:15 |
| luke-jr | " | 08:15 |
| RST38h | johnx: Including ones for items related with HAS and IS relationships | 08:15 |
| luke-jr | oops | 08:15 |
| jaem|away | they release often and early, and their list of known issues is not generally longer than their list of fixed bugs | 08:15 |
| jaem|away | which I can't say for ATI, in my experience | 08:15 |
| jaem|away | and Intel is... well... Intel | 08:15 |
| johnx | intel stuff works nicely...most of the time | 08:16 |
| Vratha | i don't care how a company plays. as long as it works and they are legal | 08:16 |
| jaem|away | once ATI cards get good support across the board, I'll happily switch | 08:16 |
| Vratha | and i don't believe they violate any GPL anyway | 08:16 |
| johnx | that is, when they don't borrow SGX-based cards and fail to deliver *any* kind of working driver for linux | 08:16 |
| jaem|away | but the ones I've tried have given me so much grief that it's not worth it, violation or no | 08:16 |
| luke-jr | jaem|away: ATi cards work fine, without any mess setting up illegal drivers | 08:16 |
| jX | I like illegal drivers. | 08:16 |
| jaem|away | luke-jr, and Catalyst is Open Source? | 08:17 |
| jX | that's why I always drink before a road trip. | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | jaem|away: wtf is Catalyst? | 08:17 |
| johnx | luke-jr, it seems that the key thing is your definition of "fine" | 08:17 |
| jaem|away | luke-jr, the only driver (for most new cards) that actually supports a modern feature set | 08:17 |
| jaem|away | it's from ATI | 08:17 |
| RST38h | luke-jr: A staunchy GPL-abiding open-source guy like you probably shouldn't use computers | 08:17 |
| jaem|away | and it fails horribly | 08:17 |
| jaem|away | they've released their specs, and good for them, but there's a ways to go | 08:17 |
| RST38h | luke-jr: At least, stop using the keyboards: 8042 controllers in both keyboard and the PC run closed source firmware | 08:17 |
| johnx | and also your definition of "ATi cards" doesn't include most cards made by ATi | 08:18 |
| RST38h | luke-jr: Speaking of firmware, most PC BIOSes are also closed source | 08:18 |
| jaem|away | using a card that breaks X every month or so (or worse) isn't really an option | 08:18 |
| jaem|away | it just isn't | 08:18 |
| luke-jr | jaem|away: my Radeon X850 continues to work fine with vanilla Linux, Mesa, and X.org | 08:18 |
| jaem|away | luke-jr, yes, and some do | 08:18 |
| jaem|away | but not the ones I own | 08:18 |
| jaem|away | have owned* | 08:18 |
| * luke-jr doesn't just buy crap without researching it | 08:19 | |
| jaem|away | luke-jr, that's fine if you have a choice | 08:19 |
| jaem|away | or money | 08:19 |
| jaem|away | most of what I own was scrounged, begged, or salvaged | 08:19 |
| jaem|away | and the few things that were purchased new were the cheapest I could buy, out of necessity | 08:19 |
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| johnx | admittedly, ATi is fine if you don't care about performance | 08:20 |
| jaem|away | anyhow, I don't really want to argue about it | 08:20 |
| johnx | but if you don't care about performance, you might as well save money and buy intel integrated | 08:20 |
| jaem|away | I see nVidia's drivers as a necessary evil for the moment, given my situation | 08:20 |
| johnx | luke-jr, which routerboard are you using? | 08:20 |
| luke-jr | johnx: I don't have one. | 08:20 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, which router are you using? | 08:20 |
| luke-jr | johnx: WRT54G minus WiFi | 08:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: that was an easy trick question | 08:21 |
| Termana | lol | 08:22 |
| johnx | RST38h, actually, I was trying to pick his brain to find a decent linux-based router to replace my dying wrt54gl (keeps rebooting randomly) | 08:23 |
| luke-jr | johnx: turn off Wifi :) | 08:23 |
| luke-jr | if it persists, find a compatible power adapter | 08:23 |
| luke-jr | the power adapter usually poops first | 08:23 |
| johnx | the wifi isn't the problem :P | 08:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: just run stock firmware | 08:23 |
| johnx | luke-jr, the power adapter...hmm | 08:23 |
| luke-jr | johnx: wifi on mine will reboot randomly | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | well | 08:24 |
| johnx | it didn't used to | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | at this point, turning wifi on = insta reboot | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | nope | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | but wifi uses more power | 08:24 |
| RST38h | johnx: or use DLink, never let me down | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | and strains the power stuff more | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | turning wifi off can survive poor power supply | 08:24 |
| johnx | RST38h, i do tend to actually use options that aren't exposed in stock firmware, so openwrt compatibility is a must from my point of view | 08:25 |
| johnx | luke-jr, thanks for the idea. I'll dig up another PS and see if it makes a difference | 08:25 |
| luke-jr | RST38h is just trolling tonight :p | 08:25 |
| johnx | seeing as, if I turn off wifi I won't be able to actually *use* it as a router :P | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | johnx: if you have another Wifi-capable device, might try turning that wifi off too | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | ah heh | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | maybe turn its power level down? dunno if that would help | 08:26 |
| johnx | (no wired connection, except to the cable modem) | 08:26 |
| johnx | nah, a dying PS fits *perfectly* with the symptoms | 08:26 |
| johnx | I just didn't even think about it | 08:26 |
| johnx | it probably even happens during the warmest part of the day... | 08:27 |
| luke-jr | :) | 08:27 |
| johnx | still interested in the routerboards though ... :D | 08:29 |
| luke-jr | johnx: myself, I'm hoping something similar to the OpenRD-Client (but with sane power consumption) pops up by the time my setup finally fails | 08:29 |
| ruskie | hmm my fn key on the keyboard has almost 0 blue paint on it anymore | 08:29 |
| luke-jr | ruskie: mine is like new, since it doesn't work outside Maemo :( | 08:29 |
| jX | wow, the internal camera SUCKS ASS. | 08:30 |
| jX | what's the latest OS revision number? | 08:30 |
| johnx | jX, the front facing one? wait, on the N900? | 08:30 |
| jX | yes | 08:30 |
| jX | and yes | 08:30 |
| johnx | you have the latest revision | 08:30 |
| jX | yes, well, I'd like to verify that. | 08:30 |
| johnx | and yeah, it might improve with the next revision | 08:30 |
| johnx | 42-11 | 08:30 |
| ruskie | luke-jr, erm? | 08:30 |
| jX | kthx | 08:30 |
| luke-jr | ruskie: X11 bug, actually | 08:31 |
| jX | I'd heard there were several rev bumps since "release" | 08:31 |
| * johnx will lose connectivity as he reboots his router | 08:31 | |
| luke-jr | jX: well i herd u liek mudkipz | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 08:32 |
| jX | no, I like turtles | 08:32 |
| pupnik | sam latinga - *the* dude at sdl was working on the SDL_alsa_audio backend right after the maemo summit :) | 08:39 |
| pupnik | now to invetisnoop | 08:39 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: success with sdl? | 08:41 |
| jX | so how long until someone makes an app to turn on the flash LEDs and use them like a flashlight? | 08:41 |
| johnx | ho-lee-crap. a routerboard rb433 has *3* miniPCI slots | 08:43 |
| johnx | that's more like it :D | 08:43 |
| jaem|away | jX, I'm pretty sure it's been done already | 08:44 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 08:44 |
| jX | names? :) | 08:44 |
| pupnik | RST38h: i can make it sound bad in different ways now | 08:45 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: eh. | 08:54 |
| pupnik | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=442596&postcount=6 | 09:00 |
| pupnik | not much news | 09:00 |
| pupnik | im curious about that relationship between period_size and buffer_size | 09:00 |
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| pupnik | the alsa programs end up geting a big buffer. all sdl programs ma at buffer 1024 and period 512 | 09:01 |
| pupnik | max at | 09:01 |
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| pupnik | frames = SDL_NAME(snd_pcm_hw_params_set_period_size_near)(pcm_handle, hwparams, frames, NULL); | 09:02 |
| pupnik | seems to be happening there in SDL_alsa_audio.c | 09:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | jX: moodlight i one | 09:05 |
| SpeedEvil | jX: I think flashlight is the other - in extras-devel | 09:05 |
| jX | ahh, I'll have to add devel | 09:06 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:09 |
| jX | kree! | 09:09 |
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| pupnik | i could use a "ncd" norton change directory for linux+maemo | 09:14 |
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| pupnik | go right to your target dir without remembering path | 09:14 |
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| johnx | hmm? you mean like alias? | 09:15 |
| pupnik | it builds a tree of unique directory names so you type "ncd newgoatpics" from /home/user and it will go to /media/mmc1/philes/2009/fresh_and_lovely/newgoatpics | 09:16 |
| Jaffa | Shows you a list if there's not a unique match? | 09:17 |
| pupnik | i forgot | 09:17 |
| johnx | interesting. sounds a little non-deterministic | 09:17 |
| pupnik | useless for many people and directories | 09:18 |
| Winnah | Anyone wanna give me a suggestion on an idea for MMS support I had? | 09:18 |
| pupnik | but if you end up naming them descriptively, a real keystroke saver | 09:18 |
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| pupnik | http://www.xs4all.nl/~waterlan/ | 09:19 |
| johnx | interesting | 09:20 |
| pupnik | everything i build wants debhelper >= 7 | 09:22 |
| Arkenoi | just ordered this one: http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_1900000_11000787&products_id=27091 | 09:22 |
| Arkenoi | will see if it is good | 09:22 |
| johnx | pupnik, just try changing the 7 to something smaller and see if it works ;) | 09:22 |
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| Winnah | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32129&page=10 any ideas on the last post? | 09:25 |
| pupnik | johnx: i start doing stuff like that and end up with a working binary and no way to ever make a repository compatible package | 09:26 |
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| johnx | pupnik, really? in a lot of cases the debhelper version requirement is "inflated" beyond the features the package actually uses | 09:26 |
| pupnik | well that has worked for me before i admit | 09:27 |
| johnx | I remember doing that for cron | 09:27 |
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| pupnik | ok i change 7 to 5 in debian/control, then get the usual dh_clean: Sorry, but 5 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper. | 09:28 |
| johnx | errr...I think you need to change it in one other place too | 09:29 |
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| pupnik | hmm fakeroot debian/rules build doesn't complain tho | 09:30 |
| jX | moodlight is ok but Flashlight is awesome | 09:32 |
| pupnik | ohh foolish me i oversaw debian/compat --- change 7 to 5 | 09:33 |
| bigbrovar | jX: LOL | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | morn johnx | 09:36 |
| johnx | 'night Stskeeps :) | 09:37 |
| johnx | (sorry. I really was just on the way to watch some TV with my wife and head to sleep.) | 09:37 |
| johnx | I should be around in a "working" capacity later this week | 09:37 |
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| Arkenoi | Hehe. Nexus One will be $500+ , not $200 as rumors initially say. No surprise and not a killer either. | 09:39 |
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| shinkamui | love how wifi stays connected all the time | 09:42 |
| shinkamui | anyone have edge only | 09:42 |
| shinkamui | wondering how skype and voip calls sound over an edge edge connection | 09:42 |
| Winnah | Probably not very good, who knows though, maybe some googling will show you. | 09:45 |
| Macer | blah | 09:47 |
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| pupnik | ok who wants wcd / ncd for n900 | 09:49 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/wcd_5.1.0-2_maemo1.deb requires libncursesw5 | 09:50 |
| Winnah | What is WCD/NCD (sorry not an expert in phone technology :/) | 09:51 |
| pupnik | norton change directory -- reduces typing in the shell | 09:52 |
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| Winnah | Ah, then not me :/ | 09:54 |
| jaem|away | is anyone else getting spammed with explicit file transfer attempts? :/ | 09:55 |
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| shinkamui | yikes | 09:57 |
| shinkamui | my root partition is at 99% | 09:57 |
| shinkamui | ls | 09:57 |
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| pupnik | heh t.m.o.. you don't know what you got, until it's gone... you're a hard habit to break... | 10:08 |
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| Termana | t.m.o isn't down | 10:10 |
| jX | man] | 10:11 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: I've cracked and returned. But trying to limit myself to once a day. | 10:11 |
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| jX | having maemo.org start with the same letter as mozilla.org is confusing sometimes. | 10:12 |
| pupnik | Jaffa: it has transformed. No longer can you peruse the recent stuff to see what is being worked-on. | 10:12 |
| * Jaffa should get cracking with his maemoweeklynews idea, since http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=433121&postcount=7 is something I'd include in this week's edition | 10:12 | |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: Indeed; hence the idea of MWN: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News, otherwise known as "other people read tmo so I don't have to" | 10:13 |
| pupnik | good idea | 10:13 |
| pupnik | both quims and yours | 10:13 |
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| pupnik | terminal shouldnt be a user app in maemo6 | 10:14 |
| pupnik | not one that one sees in that app list | 10:14 |
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| jaem|away | pupnik, launch it from the termi --? oh wait.. | 10:16 |
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| pupnik | "terminal" reminds of the george carlin skit about air-travel language | 10:23 |
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| pupnik | oh sweet. gtranslate | 10:24 |
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| pupnik | 101kB too | 10:26 |
| Termana | mooooo | 10:26 |
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| Termana | sorry had to finish your rhyming. now i'll go back to my number priming | 10:30 |
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| pupnik | :) | 10:32 |
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| oldtang | hello | 10:35 |
| oldtang | all | 10:35 |
| RST38h | speaking of mooo, hello all | 10:35 |
| tekojo | Moo! | 10:36 |
| pupnik | i may have been wasting time. if the only purpose of hacking the sdl sound is to get a couple of exceptional programs to bypass pulse, i should just bypass sdl-sound as well and use emulib | 10:37 |
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| RST38h | pupnik <-- well on his way to open("/def/fb0",""wb") | 10:39 |
| pupnik | emulib style stuff | 10:39 |
| RST38h | s/def/dev | 10:39 |
| pupnik | nice nice | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andre__ | 10:41 |
| frals | ah, lovely, could add another APN without probs with gconftool.. wonder if it works | 10:41 |
| andre__ | heja | 10:41 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: just talked to a guy from Nokia, the key question was "Does Nokia have balls to break partnership with *ALL* current russian service centers as the is simply not a single one that is handling warranty service properly?" - he answered yes ;-) | 10:42 |
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| tekojo | Morning Stskeeps! | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | morning tekojo | 10:49 |
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| tigert | hmm | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | morning tigert | 10:53 |
| tigert | morn | 10:53 |
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| lucent | my N900 was crawling slow today, it wouldn't take a picture without a 5-6 second lag | 10:57 |
| lucent | wonder what that was about | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | what happens when you shut down browser? | 10:57 |
| lucent | works again, I think | 10:58 |
| lucent | I typically have a few windows of browser open during my daily use | 10:58 |
| lucent | just leave it open because I'm in a hurry to get somewhere | 10:58 |
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| tigert | hmm | 11:03 |
| tigert | i just realized fennec doesnt use the maemo networking api | 11:04 |
| tigert | so it doesnt prompt for a connection | 11:04 |
| tigert | or am I mistaken? | 11:04 |
| lucent | is fennec the browser that's included with N900, or a different one? | 11:04 |
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| jX | different | 11:07 |
| jX | the built in browser is gecko based, but fennec, now Firefox Mobile, is from Mozilla | 11:07 |
| jX | should be out soonish... | 11:07 |
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| BabelO | morning | 11:07 |
| lucent | thanks for that info | 11:07 |
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| Termana | morning BabelO | 11:08 |
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| tigert | yea, they use the same engine | 11:11 |
| tigert | but have different user interface around them | 11:11 |
| tigert | well, likely different versions of Gecko | 11:11 |
| tigert | but very close anyway from user perspective | 11:12 |
| tigert | btw | 11:12 |
| tigert | http://www.dafont.com/monofur.font | 11:13 |
| tigert | this is pretty cute terminal font for maemo devices | 11:13 |
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| lucent | koi | 11:14 |
| tigert | takes nice advantage of the small pixels | 11:14 |
| lucent | I'm so conflicted about the N900 Ovi store situation | 11:14 |
| lucent | actually hesitant to dig into customizing my N900 until I've updated with the to-be-released firmware update | 11:15 |
| lucent | thinking that the Ovi store access for N900 users would be activated by requiring a firmware update, just guessing though | 11:15 |
| pupnik | http://slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/0249203/emDuke-Nukem-3Dem-Ported-To-Nokia-N900 | 11:16 |
| lucent | need it to fulfill the US rebate | 11:16 |
| lucent | pupnik: that /. submission is wanting | 11:16 |
| pupnik | it's funny | 11:16 |
| pupnik | yep | 11:16 |
| lucent | I see the linked to video showing tilt sensor to move Duke around | 11:16 |
| lucent | the text of the /. article doesn't mention that at all | 11:17 |
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| pupnik | hey it's good to get N900 in the news | 11:17 |
| lucent | sure! | 11:17 |
| pupnik | and ukki did a good job with the controls | 11:17 |
| pupnik | not to mention the drudgework of making a proper package for extras ;) | 11:18 |
| lucent | hm, can I disable "switch off device?" prompt from the Enter lock code touch screen prompt? | 11:19 |
| RST38h | Arkenoy: Now, could you raise the same question with FedEx/UPS/DHL please? =) | 11:19 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Because I am fucking tired of FedEx expeditor calling me and offering to "deliver the package as soon as I pay $300 in customs and processing fees" | 11:19 |
| lucent | ouch | 11:20 |
| lucent | from where to where? | 11:20 |
| RST38h | lucent: from anywhere to .RU | 11:20 |
| RST38h | (and sending stuff *from* .RU is near impossible) | 11:20 |
| lucent | oh god | 11:21 |
| lucent | I only know what my co-worker (this was many years ago) said about visiting his family in Russia | 11:21 |
| lucent | "must pay extra" to customs, and I'm sure he meant a bribe | 11:22 |
| RST38h | no, you do not normally have to pay anything to customs | 11:23 |
| mavhc | damn physical goods, 3d printers must evolve | 11:23 |
| RST38h | only on parcels, especially ones delivered with courier services | 11:23 |
| lucent | mavhc: makerbot | 11:23 |
| mavhc | indeed, my cousin has a reprap | 11:24 |
| * lucent drools a bit | 11:24 | |
| pupnik | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES the official pathspec for optification (?) | 11:26 |
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| * pupnik ponders shipping goods dismantled and hidden in books to .ru | 11:27 | |
| RST38h | prolly won't do | 11:27 |
| RST38h | legalese is a bit more complicated than you think. | 11:27 |
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| RST38h | Basically, you can import anything <$300 for your personal purposes, tax free | 11:27 |
| pupnik | hey that's good | 11:28 |
| RST38h | But the shipping fee is being added into this amount when using FedEx et al | 11:28 |
| RST38h | On top of that, the local company contracted by FedEx to process shipments charges $50-$100 for its own processing fees, adding it all up | 11:29 |
| RST38h | So you end up fucked. | 11:29 |
| lucent | shame about it that way. | 11:29 |
| pupnik | government is a racket | 11:30 |
| RST38h | note that this isn't solely government's fault in this case | 11:30 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Pfff, our governments are like cute little kittens compared to some | 11:31 |
| pupnik | what are the processing fees for a shipment from St. Petersburg to Moscow? | 11:31 |
| RST38h | pupnik: With FedEx? I dunno. Normal post is not expensive, although you a risking it to be appropriated by post office goblins | 11:32 |
| pupnik | lots of those in italy too | 11:32 |
| pupnik | anyway sleep calls - cheers | 11:32 |
| RST38h | pupnik: The generally accepted method is to pass packages with railroad car attendants | 11:32 |
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| Hoxzer | ffs. | 11:58 |
| Hoxzer | this shop that I ordered from should have received new n900's in 29.12 but guess what | 11:59 |
| Hoxzer | NOTHING HAPPENED: | 11:59 |
| Hoxzer | *on | 11:59 |
| jaem|away | Hoxzer, yeah, we still don't have ours, and we ordered in September | 11:59 |
| jaem|away | the only reason I have one now is because my prof asked Nokia nicely at Dev Days | 11:59 |
| jaem|away | hehe | 11:59 |
| jaem|away | I feel for you | 12:00 |
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| Hoxzer | think I'm gonna order it from another shop and see which one delivers faster | 12:01 |
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| kostas_pav | hello everyone! my name is Kostas and I am from greece. I am looking for the app that appears in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HblSL0hG6Wg at 1:14, in the More... folder, second raw, last column, called "ftdapp" but I really can't find it anywhere. Does anyone have any information on this? | 12:31 |
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| villager | why do you want it? | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | internal nokia tool | 12:36 |
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| dnaumov | ok, this probably sounds stupid | 12:37 |
| dnaumov | but how do I reply to an SMS | 12:37 |
| dnaumov | one I have currently open that is | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | like you would reply to a im? | 12:37 |
| dnaumov | which is? | 12:37 |
| dnaumov | there are delete / copy / forward options | 12:38 |
| dnaumov | no reply | 12:38 |
| kostas_pav | except the fact that I love looking the network details and coverage, I am using it for my studies in my university. | 12:38 |
| frals | uh just type in the conversation and press send? | 12:39 |
| ifreq | dnaumov you open msg and type something and send it | 12:39 |
| villager | dnaumov: there's an input line at the bottom to type stuff into, isn't there? | 12:39 |
| ifreq | its chat like view | 12:39 |
| dnaumov | right, so I am only supposed to reply from the conversation window? | 12:39 |
| ifreq | yes | 12:39 |
| dnaumov | while almost only being able to see a single line, not my entire reply as I write it? | 12:39 |
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| dnaumov | lame | 12:39 |
| frals | it expands as you write it | 12:39 |
| dnaumov | ah | 12:39 |
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| ifreq | yeah dont judge before trying | 12:40 |
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| dnaumov | my apologies | 12:41 |
| dnaumov | still some quirks after having used Symbian for years | 12:42 |
| ceda | anyone here seen/heard of/have a working recipe for syncing contacts betweeen "evolution on desktop", and maemo5 | 12:43 |
| ceda | I exported all contacts in evolution to one vcf-file, and imported that onto my n900, worked perfect | 12:44 |
| ceda | but now that I've used Hermes to sync with social networks and gravatar, it's much more up to date than what I have in Evolution | 12:44 |
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| kostas_pav | so, villager and Stskeeps (and anyone who knows of course) anything I can do to get the ftdapp ? | 12:45 |
| ceda | so I'm thinking about doing the same thing in reverse, export to vcf and import that into evolution | 12:45 |
| red | ceda: doesnt using hermes require that your contacts actually are named the same as in facebook for example? | 12:45 |
| red | never tested the appy myself | 12:46 |
| ceda | red: well, yes. But my brother for instance, uses different first names, so that isn't matched automatically. But I opted to import "birhtday-only contacts" and so he was added with his other name as a new contact. After that I just merged the two contacts and now it works as expected. | 12:46 |
| red | anyway, no idea how to do that on linux | 12:46 |
| red | but on pc one can export the phone numbers in multiple different formats via pc suite | 12:47 |
| red | atleast on older models it worked, havent tested on N900 | 12:47 |
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| red | birthday-only contacts? | 12:47 |
| red | as in only adds a new contact name and a bday? | 12:47 |
| ceda | yes. Facebook doesn't expose too much information, so if you have a clean address book and imports all contacts from facebook, they'd only have names and birtday info | 12:48 |
| red | kk | 12:48 |
| red | thats annoying =) | 12:48 |
| ceda | it's an anti-spam measure | 12:49 |
| red | anhow, I used pc suite to export contacts from my old phone before I used iPhone. imported those into google contacts and then set up itunes to sync once via google contacts | 12:49 |
| jaem|away | ceda, wait, it syncs your gravatar as well? | 12:49 |
| jaem|away | is that new? | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | jaem|away: Yeah, ceda's done the patch | 12:51 |
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| Jaffa | jaem|away: I'm hoping to review & merge today | 12:51 |
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| jaem|away | Jaffa, ceda, nice work! | 12:52 |
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| villager | ceda: I sync my contacts with syncml server (like scheduleworld, funambol, goosync) from both my n900 and my desktop to keep them in sync... haven't tried with evolution on desktop, but that can probably be done with opensync? | 12:56 |
| dnaumov | this conversation model of displaying SMS can be quite inconvinient... you cant just show a single arrived SMS to a friend, you have to show a part of the conversation, making multiple SMSes visible | 12:56 |
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| villager | dnaumov: seems to work to click on a single sms to show its details | 12:57 |
| frals | yeah just click the message in question | 12:57 |
| dnaumov | red: I found the easiest method of contact/calendar trasnfer was to just send them over bluetooth from device to device | 12:57 |
| villager | I suppose you can't reply that way though | 12:57 |
| frals | and you'll only see that | 12:57 |
| dnaumov | aaagrh :) | 12:58 |
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| dnaumov | ok, one last stupid question | 12:58 |
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| dnaumov | why is there no "you have a new sms" indicator on the screen | 12:58 |
| dnaumov | the phone beeps when a message arrives | 12:58 |
| dnaumov | but no other indication on main screen | 12:58 |
| villager | I usually get a blinking yellow thing in the statusbar at the top when it has a notificatino like a new sms | 12:58 |
| kamN900 | and displays the message in a bubble | 12:58 |
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| andre__ | dnaumov, there is. the upper left corner is white. | 12:58 |
| frals | the dashboard icon changes when theres a new notification | 12:59 |
| kamN900 | or add the conversations widget | 12:59 |
| villager | or maybe it wasn't blinking, not sure, but pretty sure it was yellow | 13:00 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: What is going on? Somebody is building default osso packages with autobuilder | 13:04 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: -zhhk seems to indicate Chinese versions, but are these really different? | 13:05 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:05 |
| RST38h | moorning lardman | 13:05 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 13:05 |
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| Gilly | Hello! I came to ask if anyone had this problem: I left my phone connected to my laptop in the evening and suspended the laptop. In the morning the phone was all black and it won't recharge even off the wall. | 13:06 |
| Gilly | (N900) | 13:07 |
| villager | sounds like what happened to me a couple of days ago | 13:07 |
| RST38h | lardman: Any idea why someone is building stock osso- packages with autobuilder? | 13:07 |
| Gilly | villager: did it get solved? | 13:08 |
| villager | Gilly: solution here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=421699&postcount=40 | 13:08 |
| Gilly | well, the orange light isn't pulsing :/ | 13:09 |
| villager | then you move on to step 4 (remove and reinsert battery) | 13:09 |
| lardman | RST38h: are they updated or not? | 13:09 |
| lardman | RST38h: iirc that shouldn't be possible anyway | 13:09 |
| villager | then repeat the charging 2-3 times like it says... I had to | 13:10 |
| Gilly | villager: alright - I'll try that :) I did remove the battery already but maybe I didn't wait for long enough to put it back in. | 13:10 |
| lardman | onion: ping | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: url? | 13:12 |
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| red | anyone used the BlueMaemo BT Mouse/Keyboard/etc app? | 13:16 |
| jaem|away | red, on the N810, yes | 13:17 |
| red | having troubles to get it working on Windows 7 | 13:17 |
| jaem|away | haven't tried it on the N900 | 13:17 |
| jaem|away | ah | 13:17 |
| jaem|away | can't help you there | 13:17 |
| red | ye, i get to connect and to pick what device I want to use | 13:17 |
| jaem|away | it should show up as a standard HID device, which should work with just about anything reasonably recent | 13:17 |
| red | ie, click the mouse icon on N900, shortly after just disconnected | 13:17 |
| jaem|away | huh | 13:17 |
| jaem|away | sorry | 13:17 |
| red | ok theres the problem then | 13:17 |
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| red | when I pair the devices using the app, Windows 7 tries to install 5 devices, and only one succeeds (Bluetooth Modem) | 13:18 |
| red | oh wait, now the 5th succeeded aswell, as HID device | 13:18 |
| red | retest brb | 13:18 |
| Veggen | mmm, the theory about global warming doesn't get many fans from this weather... | 13:19 |
| red | global warming is a busted myth | 13:19 |
| red | as far as I am concerned :p | 13:19 |
| jaem|away | Veggen, I think that theory was started by the weather widget in Mer | 13:19 |
| jaem|away | XD | 13:19 |
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| Veggen | :) | 13:19 |
| red | past 4 years it's actually been getting colder, and the british company investigating global worming got busted hiding evidence about nothing actually warming up :p | 13:20 |
| red | worming! warming* :D | 13:20 |
| red | now theres an theory. global worming. | 13:20 |
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| Veggen | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4891294&l=f6a6c3fadc&id=727686062 is a picture taken yesterday, from kitchen window. I actually like winter like thos. | 13:20 |
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| Veggen | this. | 13:20 |
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| jaem|away | awesome! http://www.sparkfun.com/images/newsimages/Dragon-01-L-1000.jpg | 13:21 |
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| ifreq | Veggen: cool view | 13:33 |
| ifreq | looks like norway? | 13:34 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | hrm i was wondering. is it possible to install maemo on a phone which come preinstalled with android? | 13:39 |
| Jiyuu|Work | comes* | 13:39 |
| Veggen | ifreq: it is. | 13:39 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | i've been reading and meamo seems to me like the superior OS, the problem is other then the N900(which has too big of a form factor for my needs) i couldn't find any good maemo phones | 13:40 |
| Jiyuu|Work | but there are plenty of powerful android phones which could probably run maemo easily, so i figured the only limitation is the boot loader | 13:41 |
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| Gilly | villager: hmm.. this doesn't seem to work but thanks anyway :) I guess I'll have to send the phone to nokia. | 13:41 |
| Jiyuu|Work | so was it ever done? did someone install maemo on an android phone? | 13:42 |
| villager | Gilly: hmm, it worked for me... oh well | 13:42 |
| Gilly | well the phone seems like a brick :) i'll probably check if the battery is truly empty if i get my hands on a voltage meter | 13:43 |
| kamN900 | openvpn vs vpnc | 13:43 |
| villager | Gilly: maybe you can charge the battery with a different nokia phone if you have one... | 13:44 |
| Jiyuu|Work | anyone? | 13:44 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | i tried searching google, but couldn't find anything thus far | 13:45 |
| Gilly | i think the one i have is too old :/ but i could check if my dad's or sister's phone has a suitable battery. | 13:45 |
| kamN900 | look on the maemo talk forums jiy: | 13:45 |
| red | doh, how hard can this be | 13:45 |
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| red | I either get my PC to recognize N900 as HID device, but then the phone doesnt want to establish connection at all - or when my PC doesnt recognize it, the N900 will happily connect | 13:46 |
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| fatal^ | Jiyuu|Work: I don't think it's that straight forward... skipping the bootloader, the kernel needs to be an android kernel since linux doesn't support android hw... then you have proprietary blobs in maemo for the phone/nokia specific bits which likely needs to be supported by underlying kernel functionality.... | 13:46 |
| kirma | Jiyuu|Work: maemo on android phone? I don't think you could call it usable as a phone anyway | 13:46 |
| kirma | there are numerous components related to telephony among other things in maemo that are closed source at the moment | 13:47 |
| Gilly | villager: afaik the orange led should blink when it's recharging, even if the battery is empty. Is this right? | 13:47 |
| Jiyuu|Work | so the issue is mainly with drivers? | 13:47 |
| kirma | also with applications closer to user interface | 13:48 |
| villager | Gilly: think so... when I removed the battery and reinserted the first time, it took a few moments for the orange to start blinking... it of course stopped as soon as I messed with the power button | 13:48 |
| Jiyuu|Work | "the kernel needs to be an android kernel" | 13:48 |
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| kirma | you might be able to turn an android phone to N810-level device with some non-infinite amount of work though | 13:48 |
| Jiyuu|Work | i thought android used a linux kernel | 13:49 |
| kirma | then again: why one would do all that work? | 13:49 |
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| fatal^ | Jiyuu|Work: google forks everything they work on. | 13:49 |
| skule | how do I get this fix on my N900 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5597 | 13:49 |
| povbot` | Bug 5597: First Synchronization between N900 and Exchange 2003 Server always fails | 13:49 |
| Jiyuu|Work | i would want that so i could use something like the sony x10 | 13:49 |
| kirma | I don't know about limitations of android platform | 13:49 |
| Jiyuu|Work | with maemo | 13:49 |
| Jiyuu|Work | android seems to me like a pretty sucky platform | 13:50 |
| Jiyuu|Work | sure it touts using linux, but in the end you run programs in java | 13:50 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | thats not really different symbian or any other of the old OSs | 13:51 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | from* | 13:51 |
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| kirma | linux phones are always more or less hardware/software embedded/integrated products, and thus quite far from pc+os kind of mindset | 13:51 |
| Jiyuu|Work | isn't there a chance that at least some of the hardware is generic enough to be supported? | 13:51 |
| fatal^ | Jiyuu|Work: in theory, not in practice. | 13:52 |
| Jiyuu|Work | were there any people who tried it? | 13:52 |
| Jiyuu|Work | installing maemo on an android phone that is | 13:53 |
| fatal^ | Jiyuu|Work: the magic key to unlocking it is to create infinite amount of time available for people willing to reverse engineer stuff... | 13:53 |
| kirma | if both devices use OMAP3 SoC, there's a chance of having some sort of a start. but in practice, one can't even start the porting effort without tapping to internal serial port and such things first | 13:53 |
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| kirma | but for instance: if you find N900 and Droid service manuals and service schematics, you can see that many parts of the hardware are really in rather device/manufacturer specific places to control | 13:55 |
| kirma | these things are not PCs because in business sense, they don't need to be, and it may even be a drawback they would be | 13:56 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | i'm not really linux savy so i can't really try these kind of things by myself | 13:57 |
| TomaszD | thp, around? | 13:58 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | but it seemed to me like something someone at least tried | 13:58 |
| Jiyuu|Work | why would it be a drawback? | 13:58 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | non of the phone manufacturers have any particular reason to lock their phone to a specific OS | 13:59 |
| kirma | I'd estimate that bringing an android device to boot maemo in a way that could be called "working", although practically completely unusable for the original purported use would still take weeks of work | 13:59 |
| Jiyuu|Work | sure it won't be supported but what do they have to lose from people installing another OS | 13:59 |
| Jiyuu|Work | weeks? | 14:00 |
| Jiyuu|Work | how about a dualboot? :P | 14:00 |
| Jiyuu|Work | if it was possible then maybe it will have some more point | 14:00 |
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| an0therb0x | "unable to use camera , audio in use by another application" ? | 14:01 |
| an0therb0x | this is a strange thing not to be able to use the camera while on a call | 14:01 |
| kirma | dualboot is on the easier side, having multiple "distributions" that actually work in the sense you can interact with graphics, touchscreen and keyboard, well, that's harder | 14:01 |
| * Gadgetoid_mbp doesn't like Android | 14:02 | |
| Jiyuu|Work | i mean, when i read the specs of the X10 i was like "awesome! 1ghz cpu, 256mb ram. thats practically a computer" | 14:02 |
| kirma | "X10" ? | 14:02 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Of course it's a computer... | 14:02 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But 1ghz is pretty naff in the age of quad core hyperthreaded mass market i7 goodness | 14:03 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | Xperia X10 | 14:03 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Not to mention all the other architectural and power considerations that make phones slow, and desktop PCs fast | 14:03 |
| * frals bashes head against MMS | 14:03 | |
| frals | makes sense to send the attached image with correct content-type and name... and then in the .smilpart use a different name | 14:04 |
| Jiyuu|Work | sure, but you can run linux on a 800mhz PII computer | 14:04 |
| RST38h | frals: makes sense to just use email instead. | 14:04 |
| kirma | X10 isn't based on OMAP3, so porting maemo to it is probably quite a bit of work, or at least cross-breeding different distributions | 14:04 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah, but it wont rip my DVD collection this side of the heat death of the universe | 14:04 |
| RST38h | frals: Remember what I said about MMS specs makingreaders mad? | 14:05 |
| frals | yeah :( | 14:05 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hasn't the 1ghz snapdragon been compared in performance to the 600mhz Omap3 | 14:05 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | I've said it once, and I'll say it again- why are we back to making 1ghz a big thing over 600mhz when the megahertz myth was dispelled years ago? | 14:06 |
| kirma | I believe regarding plain ARM core performance, they have same ops/MHz performance | 14:06 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | The Droid is clocked lower than the N900, for example, and people swarm over that junk | 14:07 |
| kirma | other parts differ, and those are GPU and DSP on OMAP3 | 14:07 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | The Xperia X10 looks like it's everything the Droid should have been, though | 14:07 |
| * kirma spotted a nine-year girl or such being enthused by Motorola Milestone in local computer shop... surprisingly, his father wasn't as thrilled :} | 14:08 | |
| kirma | well, nine-ish | 14:08 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | My 2.5 year old is lucky to get my Dingoo A320 | 14:08 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 14:09 |
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| LuciusMare | what's the command to flash the internal LED on n900? | 14:09 |
| Uri8 | hello | 14:09 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | actually before i start thinking about the x10 | 14:10 |
| Jiyuu|Work | it might be a good chance to ask | 14:10 |
| Jiyuu|Work | should it be able to play 720p h264 files? | 14:10 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I still favour the N900 over the X10 though | 14:10 |
| Uri8 | is there someone online that ran qt 4.6 preview? | 14:10 |
| Jiyuu|Work | cause that is basically my test of performance :P | 14:10 |
| kirma | N900 doesn't play 720p | 14:10 |
| Jiyuu|Work | yet | 14:10 |
| Jiyuu|Work | i heard its likely it will | 14:10 |
| Jiyuu|Work | at some point | 14:10 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Although I couldn't give a hoot about gaming, I must admit that high definition video decoding would be a good feature | 14:10 |
| Jiyuu|Work | from the discussions i've been reading | 14:11 |
| kirma | well, it's to considerable extent kind of pointless, even if it'd be fancy | 14:11 |
| ifreq | anyone knows will the google goggles work on n900 at some point? | 14:11 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Jiyuu|Work: that'll rape the battery, surely | 14:11 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I don | 14:11 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | t | 14:11 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | argh | 14:11 |
| Uri8 | can't you use vlc to run 720p? | 14:11 |
| Uri8 | http://www.remlab.net/files/vlc/fremantle/ | 14:11 |
| Jiyuu|Work | the thing is. i do not want to re-encode every episode i download just so i can play it on my phone | 14:11 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I don't mind much about lacking the grunt to decode 720p smoothly, I just like to be able to throw DVDrips on there without having to be too exact in my encoding settings | 14:11 |
| Jiyuu|Work | its pointless | 14:11 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Jiyuu|Work: too right! | 14:12 |
| red | I use Knots2 to playback videos from my PC onto my phone | 14:12 |
| Jiyuu|Work | i don't care if it downscales the video | 14:12 |
| Jiyuu|Work | or whatever | 14:12 |
| Jiyuu|Work | as long as i don't need to reencode its fine | 14:12 |
| red | works with any type of file VLC can play on the PC, it remuxes/transcodes it and streams onto your phone on demand | 14:12 |
| red | live, that is | 14:13 |
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| red | no waiting required | 14:13 |
| red | google for Knots2 | 14:13 |
| red | and give it a go | 14:13 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | red: does it work when you're in the underground waiting for a train? | 14:13 |
| Jiyuu|Work | :P | 14:13 |
| red | ofcourse not, requires a connection d'oh | 14:13 |
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| kirma | since when metros haven't had 3G coverage? | 14:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm, I think I'm entitled to download a good District 9 DVDRip for my N900, as I own the Blu-RAY | 14:14 |
| Jiyuu|Work | if i'm gonna use some streaming software to serve me video (which btw will probably need to be hosted somewhere with a decent upstream) why do i need all that power for? | 14:14 |
| Uri8 | not everyone has unlimited data plans | 14:14 |
| Jiyuu|Work | i could stream the video to h263 or whatever | 14:14 |
| Jiyuu|Work | and stream it to any shitty cellphone outthere | 14:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Jiyuu|Work: if you download overnight you could just set up a command line cron job to enumerate your completed folder and re-encode everything for the N900 on the fly | 14:15 |
| kirma | even if horsepower for video decoding would be there, bigger resolutions eat more energy. | 14:15 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | i don't plan to watch video on my phone | 14:15 |
| kirma | which tends to be quite limited resource on my N900 use, at least. | 14:16 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Although I tend to download video straight to my N900 using transmission | 14:16 |
| Jiyuu|Work | if i want to watch it its usually something i decide a few minutes before i leave home | 14:16 |
| kirma | gadgetoid_mbp: transmission works nowadays without making N900 unbearable? nice if so :) | 14:16 |
| Jiyuu|Work | reencoding the video take all of the "plug and play" out of watching video | 14:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | kirma: I'd normally only be playing a podcast at that time, as I do my downloads overnight- but I've watched videos on the N810 whilst downloading more via transmission... | 14:17 |
| Jiyuu|Work | i don't really mind the power consumption | 14:17 |
| Uri8 | Guys can anyone please help out a newbie with installing qmake with qt 4.6 preview? | 14:17 |
| tigert | transmission pretty much mandates a power socket though :) | 14:18 |
| Jiyuu|Work | its not like theres a shortage of power outlets.. | 14:18 |
| Jiyuu|Work | :P | 14:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | tigert: true, although my N900 managed to see everything to better than 1:1 on about 4 200mb video files before running out of juice | 14:18 |
| kirma | it's sort of absurd to be wireless and always on the look for closest power outlet ;) | 14:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | seed* | 14:18 |
| Jiyuu|Work | the time i have to watch video is mostly when i comute to work | 14:19 |
| Jiyuu|Work | i meant i could recharge the phone -after- i get to work :P | 14:19 |
| Jiyuu|Work | surely watching 720p won't drain the battery in 40minutes right? | 14:19 |
| kirma | I guess not | 14:20 |
| tigert | power outlets dont move with you though :) | 14:21 |
| tigert | though a battery pack would, mmm... | 14:21 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | power/wifi at work, power/wifi at home | 14:21 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | With not more than half an hour between those two points | 14:21 |
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| tigert | right now I am at the mall buying food | 14:21 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Not to mention I have a spare battery and two power packs for emergencies | 14:21 |
| tigert | no power here tjhat would be useful | 14:21 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | solar? | 14:22 |
| tigert | :) | 14:22 |
| kirma | power emergencies occur mostly in bars | 14:23 |
| kirma | too hard to make a compromise between putting phone behind the bar desk and being online | 14:23 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | in the end i'll just end up buying a the new model of the fujitsu loox u tablet\netbook with a built in modem and be done with it | 14:25 |
| kirma | whatever suits you :) | 14:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Pandora :D | 14:28 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | My N900 will probably get neglected then | 14:28 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | pandora is able to play 720p? | 14:30 |
| tigert | netbooks are way too geeky when on the go | 14:30 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | :O | 14:30 |
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| tigert | the N900 is like on the limit :) still a "phone" so this looks like I would be sms texting :)ä | 14:30 |
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| kirma | I've basically abandoned my aspire one after purchase of N900 | 14:32 |
| kirma | not because N900 would replace it perfectly, but because it's immensely more portable and good enough replacement | 14:33 |
| * Arkenoi almost never walked with a notebook | 14:33 | |
| red | doh. now my n900 is unable to see and find any bluetooth devices | 14:33 |
| Jiyuu|Work | n900 still is a pretty big brick | 14:33 |
| Jiyuu|Work | XD | 14:33 |
| kirma | with E90 it still made sense to take aspire one to bar sometimes | 14:34 |
| Arkenoi | Jiyuu|Work, it is smaller than any phone i ever owned ;-) | 14:34 |
| kirma | in my opinion fixation on size is pointless | 14:34 |
| Jiyuu|Work | two N900 are about the size of a single fujitsu loox u | 14:34 |
| Jiyuu|Work | and thats a netbook | 14:34 |
| Jiyuu|Work | \tablet | 14:34 |
| kirma | if N900 would be smaller in any aspect I would feel it would slip to floor through my fingers in typical use | 14:34 |
| red | two times N900 wouldnt fit in your pocket | 14:34 |
| red | or well, I dont know how big your pockets are | 14:35 |
| red | but still :p | 14:35 |
| Jiyuu|Work | an n900 wouldn't fit into the pocket of all of your pants either. | 14:35 |
| kirma | of course, my preceding phones were E70 and E90... | 14:35 |
| Jiyuu|Work | btw i have a couple of pants which have huge pockets that fit the loox u in them | 14:35 |
| red | its true that N900 is quite bulky :) | 14:35 |
| kirma | fits into my pants | 14:35 |
| kirma | pockets even | 14:35 |
| red | but its not that bad | 14:36 |
| Jiyuu|Work | but the point is its not really comfortable either | 14:36 |
| Jiyuu|Work | thats why i liked th X10 | 14:36 |
| kirma | very much a question of personal opinion | 14:36 |
| * Arkenoi owned 9000, it is almost twice the size of n900 ;-) but it was the only qwerty phone back those days | 14:36 | |
| Jiyuu|Work | its right there on the sweetspot | 14:36 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | between being to big, to being too small for use | 14:37 |
| kirma | especially the immense interest in thinness of the phone entirely escapes me | 14:37 |
| Jiyuu|Work | a lot of pockets are wide\deep enough | 14:37 |
| kirma | well, weight even more. I certainly can't tell if my phone is hundred grams one day and two hundred on another. | 14:37 |
| Jiyuu|Work | but when the phone is thick its annoying to walk with it | 14:38 |
| Jiyuu|Work | weight does seems irrelevant to me too | 14:38 |
| Jiyuu|Work | actually the only thing which really bothers me is the thickness of the phone | 14:38 |
| Jiyuu|Work | as long as its not like 8" long\wide | 14:39 |
| Jiyuu|Work | the length\width are not really an issue | 14:39 |
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| red | same here, only the fatness bothers me a bit | 14:40 |
| red | its fatter than my old iphone which I had a protective case around :) | 14:40 |
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| kirma | I think thinness of the phone would make me uncomfortable, if the keyboard to backplate would be considerably less than what it is on n900 | 14:40 |
| ifreq | red: and yeah iphone did not have physical keyboard | 14:40 |
| kirma | of course, one might get used to different alternatives | 14:40 |
| ifreq | so try to bear with it. | 14:40 |
| red | ifreq: ofcourse :p | 14:40 |
| red | i just said its the only thing about the size that bothers me | 14:40 |
| ifreq | my main choises for getting n900 was keyboard and more open env than iphone itself. | 14:41 |
| ifreq | yeah np :P | 14:41 |
| red | there are thinner phones with slider keyboards | 14:41 |
| ifreq | just had to comment the obvious | 14:41 |
| red | :) | 14:41 |
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| red | bit too obvious imo :D | 14:41 |
| kirma | and... first they make iphone flat as a pancake, then everybody has to choose an outfit for their pet phone to bear the physical reality (skins or whatever they're called) | 14:41 |
| ifreq | :) | 14:41 |
| kirma | style over substance, I say :P | 14:41 |
| red | kirma: I had the case for resale value | 14:42 |
| red | a shiny phone sells for more than a scratchy one :) | 14:42 |
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| kirma | sure, I do have screen protector too ;) | 14:42 |
| red | and the fact that I might end up slipping it from my fingers onto the floor didnt please me either when having a glass screen =) | 14:42 |
| kirma | don't want to do drop tests with N900 though. E90 was quite sturdy on that regard with its' metal body... which has broken in several places over the years, but still works fine | 14:43 |
| kirma | probably dropped it from 1.5 meters to asphalt dozen times or something | 14:44 |
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| Jiyuu|Work | [14:41:02] <ifreq> my main choises for getting n900 was keyboard and more open env than iphone itself. | 14:45 |
| Jiyuu|Work | is there anything -less- open then iphone? | 14:45 |
| Jiyuu|Work | 0.0 | 14:45 |
| kirma | well, I was about to mention feature phones, but even those can be more open. well, fixed-function phones, certainly. | 14:46 |
| kirma | without java | 14:46 |
| Jiyuu|Work | without java | 14:47 |
| Jiyuu|Work | XD | 14:47 |
| Jiyuu|Work | i think my nokias from the 90's already had java support | 14:47 |
| Jiyuu|Work | XD | 14:47 |
| kirma | you might be slightly optimistic | 14:48 |
| ifreq | Jiyuu|Work: with jailbreak iphone is quite open. and it was my prev phone so it was quite easy to move over to n900 :P | 14:50 |
| Jiyuu|Work | any phone is "open" once you hack it open | 14:52 |
| Jiyuu|Work | to be open * | 14:52 |
| Jiyuu|Work | :P | 14:52 |
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| kirma | brute force opening hack... with an axe. | 15:02 |
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| cpscotti | Ahoy there! Hey... I'm not working today and I'm a little bit bored.. is there any n900 projects (preferably python) out there needing help? | 15:14 |
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| tigert | cpscotti: do a generic "wget a text string and show it on home applet"? | 15:20 |
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| cpscotti | tigert: but how generic? u set up an url and it keeps getting that string? Or we'll need some tipe of custom parsing? | 15:22 |
| tigert | hm | 15:23 |
| cpscotti | (I agree that's a good idea) | 15:23 |
| tigert | I'd use it to get a METAR in raw form | 15:23 |
| tigert | maybe have it run a script to pull the data, not exactly sure right away | 15:23 |
| cpscotti | hmm | 15:23 |
| cpscotti | so you would only put the url and it's done | 15:24 |
| tigert | set interval, handle disconnected state ok and pull data when you are again connected | 15:24 |
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| tigert | the url hmm, there might be some processing required | 15:24 |
| cpscotti | yup | 15:25 |
| tigert | but a generic fetch-and-display applet would be nice | 15:25 |
| cpscotti | yep.. I agree | 15:25 |
| tigert | it should somehow handle multiple instances i guess | 15:25 |
| tigert | dunno if that is hard to do | 15:25 |
| cpscotti | but if we could figure out a way to ease the "custom parsing" factor, it would be even better | 15:26 |
| tigert | metar and TAF would be nice for me | 15:26 |
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| cpscotti | hmm.. | 15:27 |
| kirma | fetch-and-push-though-filter-command-and-display, with specified refresh or based on HTTP expiration information | 15:28 |
| kirma | feature bloat :) | 15:28 |
| tigert | but if it were a script | 15:28 |
| tigert | it could do everything else | 15:28 |
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| tigert | that would be a start | 15:28 |
| cpscotti | "push-though-filter-command" seems good | 15:28 |
| tigert | yea | 15:28 |
| cpscotti | but really only directed to "advanced" users | 15:28 |
| kirma | more and more sounds like a shell script with output attached to a widget | 15:28 |
| tigert | or just run command in first place | 15:28 |
| tigert | might not involve http at all even | 15:29 |
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| kirma | which, of course, would be awkward for non-power users, but ok for nerds that don't promote ease of use too well ;) | 15:29 |
| tigert | theres the ip address applet that is written with python | 15:29 |
| cpscotti | hehe | 15:29 |
| tigert | might be a good start from | 15:29 |
| cpscotti | well.. what about just doing a "exec" widget | 15:29 |
| tigert | perhaps yeah | 15:29 |
| cpscotti | you enter a list of command on the setup | 15:29 |
| tigert | show stdout | 15:29 |
| tigert | yea | 15:30 |
| cpscotti | exactly | 15:30 |
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| cpscotti | for example.. one could use "uptime" | 15:30 |
| tigert | yep | 15:30 |
| cpscotti | "lshal | grep bat" | 15:30 |
| tigert | yep | 15:30 |
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| cpscotti | ok.. let's get to work.. | 15:30 |
| toggles_w | n900 - $470AR - buy.com - http://tinyurl.com/yckydqy | 15:30 |
| kirma | one thing I'm wondering though: how to create several instances of such widget, each with different contents? | 15:30 |
| tigert | lots of uses :) | 15:30 |
| kirma | or any other widget | 15:30 |
| tigert | kirma: my question also | 15:31 |
| tigert | needs studying | 15:31 |
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| tigert | but one is a goood start | 15:31 |
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| cpscotti | yep | 15:31 |
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| tigert | ship it with an example commandline of uptime for example | 15:31 |
| kirma | also: any way to "specialize" terminal to an application that would run a specific command in it? shouldn't be hard, but a nice wrapper for this would be... nice. | 15:32 |
| tigert | hmm? | 15:32 |
| cpscotti | kirma: example... I don't get what you mean | 15:32 |
| tigert | osso-xterm -e top | 15:33 |
| tigert | ? | 15:33 |
| kirma | tigert: basically that stuff, but with nice GUI shortcut | 15:33 |
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| zash | Exec=top\nRunInTerm=true | 15:34 |
| zash | in a .desktop | 15:34 |
| zash | http://p.zash.se/XuSmPg.txt | 15:34 |
| zash | like that | 15:34 |
| kirma | also, I want the terminal to be useful for other purposes :) | 15:34 |
| frals | anyone know if its possible to disconnect the current network connection with python-conic? from what ive gathered its not :( | 15:35 |
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| * tigert would use curl$ wget -q -O - ftp://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/observations/metar/stations/EFHF.TXT | grep EFHF | 15:37 | |
| tigert | erm | 15:37 |
| tigert | $ wget -q -O - ftp://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/observations/metar/stations/EFHF.TXT | grep EFHF | 15:37 |
| tigert | this would work for me | 15:37 |
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| papo | hm this fmradio thing is strange. I see that scanning is supposed to be supported in the changelog but I can't find the buttons | 15:38 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | *cough* http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=4883&t_mode=des&affiliate=gadgetoid *cough* | 15:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Me has a feeling that the alu leather case for the N900 is going to suck a bit | 15:41 |
| * Gadgetoid_mbp wants a cozy slip case | 15:41 | |
| DangerMaus | yepyep | 15:42 |
| DangerMaus | i got mine in a little draw string bag atm | 15:42 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm, the Maya Digital Camera Case might fit | 15:42 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | 99mm x 58mm x 25mm | 15:42 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Bit big, though | 15:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I think | 15:43 |
| tigert | papo: pan, does it stop at a station? | 15:43 |
| tigert | swipe, i mean | 15:43 |
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| papo | tigert: no | 15:43 |
| papo | but it looks like it's commented out in the source... let's see what happens if I re-enable it | 15:44 |
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| tigert | ah ok | 15:45 |
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| grondilu | Hi, I can connect to my N900 using ssh, but only as root. Is it possible to connect as 'user' ? What is the passwd for him ? Will it affect the system if I change it using the passwd command ? | 15:48 |
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| Arkenoi | grondilu, it is safe to change the password | 15:55 |
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| grondilu | sure ? I can execute 'passwd user' ? | 15:56 |
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| grondilu | done. Now I can connect as 'user'. Hope it's ok. | 15:58 |
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| an0therb0x | hello , is it possible to play .ra streams on the N900... its a rtsp://bbc.net.uk:554/file.ra type link ? | 16:03 |
| Hoxzer | if nto then sucky fuck it is. | 16:03 |
| Hoxzer | an0therb0x: have you tried mplayer? | 16:04 |
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| an0therb0x | Hoxzer: media player said audio codec not supported | 16:06 |
| Hoxzer | an0therb0x: just try mplayer | 16:06 |
| Hoxzer | http://maemocentral.com/2009/12/10/how-to-use-mplayer-on-the-n900-to-play-unsupported-video-formats/ | 16:07 |
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| Hoxzer | n900 runs linux so it is simply too awsome device | 16:07 |
| Hoxzer | a lot of have jizzed their pants just because of the youtube pron about it | 16:07 |
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| Hoxzer | and what else: No no,... Ihave been waiting this device for like 1 week now and it should have arrived in 29.12 | 16:08 |
| Hoxzer | think I will cancel my order because I get it at half the price with a 24kk deal (including the monthly costs of the deal) | 16:08 |
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| davyg | hello, when i try to connect msn with the butterfly pkugin it says me "not connected", is there a solution ? aybe a new version i use the extras-testing version | 16:15 |
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| andre__ | which package provides "gst-launch" again? garr | 16:19 |
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| lardman | gst-tools ? | 16:20 |
| andre__ | arrr. thanks | 16:21 |
| davyg | nobody for the msn plugin ? | 16:21 |
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| davyg | does some people have the same problem ? | 16:21 |
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| thp | TomaszD: here now. | 16:31 |
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| lardman | what's that python command used to fill an empty if? | 16:38 |
| furunk3l | davyg the msn plugin worked for me | 16:39 |
| davyg | the butterfly one ? | 16:39 |
| papo | lardman: huh? | 16:39 |
| papo | lardman: fill an empty if? | 16:39 |
| SplasPood | papo: I found the FM radio to be extremely buggy during my short time using it | 16:40 |
| furunk3l | davyg, yes | 16:40 |
| kirma | pass? | 16:40 |
| lardman | ah | 16:40 |
| lardman | that's the one, thanks | 16:40 |
| furunk3l | i changed to haze a few days ago, because i needed icq | 16:40 |
| lardman | sorry for my cryptic explanation ;) | 16:40 |
| papo | lardman: I got my N900 by the way | 16:40 |
| davyg | furunk31: from extra devel ? | 16:40 |
| kirma | just wondering what sort of if you have :) | 16:40 |
| lardman | papo: good stuff :) | 16:40 |
| papo | lardman: we talked about mbarcode some time ago... I'm the library guy | 16:40 |
| lardman | ah right | 16:41 |
| lardman | :) | 16:41 |
| lardman | am just going to test gst-zbar and gst-dmtx | 16:41 |
| furunk3l | davyg, yes | 16:41 |
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| davyg | ok | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: oh - while you were away - saw a possible sales avenue for you; http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/25/0019250 | 16:42 |
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| lardman | lol | 16:43 |
| papo | lardman: I have to admit that mbarcode confuses me | 16:44 |
| lardman | papo: I'm doing a re-write | 16:44 |
| lardman | but ask if you'd like to know something | 16:44 |
| papo | lardman: well what is it supposed to do? I clicked on scan and pointed the camera to a barcode and nothing happened | 16:45 |
| lardman | :) | 16:45 |
| lardman | well it's supposed to decode the barcode and display it on the RHS | 16:46 |
| lardman | what type of barcode was it? | 16:46 |
| pupnik | unusually well informed comments on that yro article | 16:46 |
| papo | lardman: I have to guess but it looks like code 39 | 16:47 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders code 34 barcodes. | 16:47 | |
| an0therb0x | Hoxzer: thanks dude | 16:48 |
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| * lardman wonders if ZBar is supposed to be able to decode those... | 16:48 | |
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| papo | lardman: I can send you a picture if you're intersted | 16:48 |
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| hrw | morning | 16:49 |
| lardman | please do | 16:49 |
| lardman | morning hrw | 16:49 |
| davyg | furunk3l: in fact i wasn't in extra devel, i'm testing now with it, i'm a bit afraid event if i'm an debian unstable user | 16:49 |
| furunk3l | worked like a charm for me | 16:49 |
| davyg | ok^^ expect so, but i trust maemo team | 16:50 |
| yuizy | wow, maemo repository is slow atm | 16:50 |
| papo | lardman: ok | 16:50 |
| furunk3l | 'unstable' is much more stable than windows final releases ;) | 16:50 |
| davyg | of course | 16:51 |
| davyg | that's why i use it ^^ | 16:52 |
| papo | lardman: http://snowball2.ethz.ch/20091230_001.jpg | 16:52 |
| pupnik | it would be impressive if a reader couuld handle the out-of-focus bars on the left | 16:53 |
| papo | indeed | 16:54 |
| derf | Yeah, I don't think zbar's 1D code is that good, yet. | 16:54 |
| lardman | yeah, still needs hard edges | 16:54 |
| papo | just to clarify, that's not the picture I used to check the application, it's just a picture I made afterwards | 16:54 |
| lardman | I think you'll have some troubles with that tbh, as you've shown | 16:54 |
| lardman | you could try talking to spadix in #zbar when he's back | 16:55 |
| lardman | and see what he can do with the decoder itself | 16:55 |
| lardman | hi derf btw :) | 16:55 |
| derf | Hi lardman. | 16:55 |
| lardman | hmm very odd, gst-zbar isn't recognised | 16:55 |
| lardman | ah, undefined symbol | 16:57 |
| juliank | Is anyone working on a program to download cover arts on the N900? If not, I would write one which downloads the covert into .cache/media-art so it is shown in the media player but does not show up in the image browser. Optionally, people could select a local image file as the cover. | 16:57 |
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| joppu | there is one | 16:59 |
| joppu | that uses google or something like that | 16:59 |
| lardman | oops, forgot to link against libzbar, might be an issue.... | 16:59 |
| wazd_e63 | Evening everyone | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | evening wazdie | 17:00 |
| joppu | juliank: but I'm not sure if it does the second part you mentioned | 17:00 |
| papo | lardman: http://snowball2.ethz.ch/20091230_001.jpg better picture | 17:00 |
| wazd_e63 | Die?) | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_e63: naah :P | 17:01 |
| wazd_e63 | sloooowly heading to my country :( | 17:02 |
| papo | lardman: and even better _002. However http://pastebin.com/f22ca26e7 | 17:02 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_e63, http://www.engadget.com/ (see top stories ;)) | 17:07 |
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| Stskeeps | 'Valério Domingos '? | 17:07 |
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| lardman|home | re | 17:08 |
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| lardman|home | hi lcukn900 | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Congrats ;) | 17:08 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, they probably thought that Valerio Valerio is a typo, lol | 17:08 |
| lcukn900 | hiya simon | 17:08 |
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| VDVsx | X-Fade, :) | 17:09 |
| lcukn900 | my n900 just rebooted | 17:09 |
| Hoxzer | good. | 17:09 |
| Hoxzer | lcukn900: does it suck? | 17:09 |
| lcukn900 | 1st time ever on its own | 17:09 |
| lcukn900 | n900 is amazing | 17:09 |
| Hoxzer | well. how much did you pay for that piece of crap? | 17:09 |
| lcukn900 | best computer i ever touched | 17:09 |
| Hoxzer | well, just because you only use Pentium I doesn't make you a 1337 | 17:10 |
| lcukn900 | err? | 17:10 |
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| wazd_e63 | vdvsx, hehe, congrats) | 17:12 |
| Anssi | VDVsx: oh, nice to hear you already got the multimedia keys covered :) I won't be doing duplicate work, then (anymore than I've already done) | 17:12 |
| Hoxzer | lcukn900: just fucking with you because I have no iddea when I will be getting mine | 17:12 |
| Hoxzer | perhaps tomorrow | 17:12 |
| Hoxzer | that's waht they said at the store but they're just pissing me off | 17:13 |
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| Hoxzer | will be paying 233 euros for it | 17:13 |
| lcukn900 | checking if it happens again. i only went on playboy to read the articles | 17:13 |
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| wazd_e63 | vdvsx, any shots there? | 17:13 |
| wazd_e63 | ah, I See | 17:15 |
| lcukn900 | phew, sara jean underwood can do yoga on n900 | 17:17 |
| lcukn900 | it wasnt playboy that crashed it | 17:17 |
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| frals | :D | 17:19 |
| lcukn900 | the videos arent mobie optimized tho | 17:20 |
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| lcukn900 | i can see and here the yoga explanations, they are most informativde | 17:20 |
| frals | im disliking the fact that when i run my service in the background it wont send dbus signals like it should, but works fine with i run it in a terminal | 17:20 |
| Hoxzer | videos? :/ | 17:20 |
| Hoxzer | dude. wtf, the codecs are mobile optimized | 17:20 |
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| Hoxzer | videos are suppose to be small as possible | 17:20 |
| Hoxzer | well. | 17:20 |
| Hoxzer | oke, taking my words back! | 17:21 |
| Hoxzer | because resolution and fps are the only things that are mobile optimized | 17:21 |
| lcukn900 | i can see and here the yoga explanations, they are most informativde | 17:21 |
| lcukn900 | frals is this is your test app | 17:22 |
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| frals | probably something to do with python-dbus and this mess with glib mainloop and including different files | 17:23 |
| frals | guess ill have another look at the docs ;) | 17:23 |
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| lcukn900 | frals mmm its nort simple osso registration isi | 17:24 |
| lcukn900 | t | 17:24 |
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| frals | not using osso ;o | 17:25 |
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| lcukn900 | frals i thought everything needed registration? | 17:26 |
| lcukn900 | gahhh @ typos beyond | 17:28 |
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| davyg | in fact even with the new version it's still doesn't work, it still says me not connected, just with the butterfly plugin(work fine with haze) | 17:32 |
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| lardman|home | reboot time again | 17:34 |
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| hrw | heh.. | 17:42 |
| joppu | If you get an package voted into extras and then promote the next package to extras-testing then the original package will remain in extras until the updated package clears the QA and it then replaces the older version in extras? | 17:42 |
| hrw | during xmas break I managed to get to ~10 entries in a note called "maemo5 bugs to report" | 17:42 |
| joppu | wow, that was complicated... | 17:42 |
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| Jaffa | joppu: Correct | 17:43 |
| VDVsx | Anssi, actually someone did the new service record and also so testing, I only have to integrate it | 17:43 |
| Jaffa | joppu: Each repository, -devel, -testing and Extras have different versions | 17:43 |
| VDVsx | Anssi, and kick wazd_e63 to make me a new layout for the multimedia keys :p | 17:44 |
| hrw | btw - still no 2009.52.1 firmware for users? | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | hrw: NAFAIK, still with community testers | 17:45 |
| frals | ah, was attaching to wrong bus appearently, using System instead of Session made it work | 17:45 |
| hrw | Jaffa: thx for info | 17:45 |
| frals | now i just need to make this damn notification launch the browser and im golden | 17:45 |
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| joppu | Since I already have 7/10 votes and I can't decide if 1. I release a new version with a few bug fixes and wait another eternity to get it passed or 2. Wait until the package is promoted into extras and then release the update to extras-testing | 17:46 |
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| Jaffa | joppu: Welcome to the dilemma. | 17:46 |
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| joppu | :| | 17:47 |
| hrw | re lardman | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon jeremiah | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | joppu: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/54299?do=post_view_threaded | 17:47 |
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| hrw | joppu: generally I would do 2. | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone recall that n900 poarts site. Oddly my bookmark seems to have vanished. | 17:48 |
| hrw | anyway I plan to probably ignore maemo repos for own stuff rather then handling all those things | 17:49 |
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| VDVsx | joppu, Jaffa, that a very annoying problem, also for users, because that leads the developer to release a lot of versions one after another. Very small updates popping all the time is a bit annoying :( | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: Indeed | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: How are your discussions with X-Fade re changes discussed on IRC progressing? (Assuming you've still got ownership of it ;-)) | 17:50 |
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| lcuk | release early, release often | 17:51 |
| lcuk | if for no other reason than to increase download counts lol | 17:51 |
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| VDVsx | Jaffa, X-Fade is pretty busy with the servers, we need to make some decisions about that in the new year | 17:52 |
| VDVsx | but I'm on it | 17:52 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 17:52 |
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| jeremiah | Jaffa: #maemo-devel | 17:53 |
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| joppu | Goddamnit, I'll just throw away the 7 karma point just for the sake of more bugfreeness... It's still annoying as hell to wait another few weeks... | 17:53 |
| hrw | joppu: option 3. create own repository | 17:53 |
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| lcuk | lbt, did you get httpd working? | 17:54 |
| lcuk | or whichever one of them you were building | 17:54 |
| Jaffa | hrw: Not exactly a *constructive* solution, though. | 17:54 |
| joppu | hrw: yes, but then the people will never find it unless it's something they are desperately seeking for | 17:54 |
| joppu | Like in the emus case | 17:54 |
| hrw | Jaffa: I know | 17:54 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: but so far to get to extras you need to find 10 users which will use app and vote for it - right? | 17:55 |
| Jaffa | hrw: You need to get 10 testers who check the app against the QA process. | 17:55 |
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| hrw | bb in few | 17:56 |
| Jaffa | hrw: There are members of the community testing as much as possible, even if they're not actually interested in *using* the app long term | 17:56 |
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| hrw | re | 17:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Interesting | 17:58 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.tessco.com/products/bmd/listItemsForSelectedCategory.do?bmdTypeId=007_26&mfgName=007_26_NOKIA&modelId=785585&groupSubgroupId=SHOW_ALL | 17:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | some bits are in fact quite cheap. | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | The stylus only $.49 | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | but you've gotta order $175 worth of stuff | 17:59 |
| Corsac | hmmh, apt-get in scratchbox takes a long time in “waiting for headers” | 17:59 |
| Corsac | is it just me? | 17:59 |
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| hrw | Corsac: or you got hit by famous "sbox ate your /etc/resolv.conf" bug | 18:00 |
| wazd_e63 | back | 18:00 |
| joppu | SpeedEvil: Start a profitable business of selling styluses to people who have lost them? | 18:01 |
| Corsac | hrw: ha, maybe | 18:02 |
| Corsac | will check that | 18:02 |
| Corsac | (I run scratchbox inside kvm though) | 18:02 |
| Corsac | /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory | 18:02 |
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| Corsac | yurk | 18:03 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, are the build-dep supposed to be installed outside of the scratchbox target or inside? | 18:05 |
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| angasule_ | Hiisty, I'm chatting from my n810, yay! | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | congratulations | 18:07 |
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| jebba | Corsac: hmmh, apt-get in scratchbox takes a long time in “waiting for headers” | 18:07 |
| jebba | Me too. Always. | 18:07 |
| angasule_ | hmm, I haven't figured out how to make x-chat join more than one channel at startup | 18:08 |
| jebba | though i do get them eventually. The whole infrastructure (well, minus wiki and bugzilla) is snot slow. | 18:08 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: a lot of maintaince going on atm | 18:08 |
| jebba | Corsac: don't sweat the "dpkg-preconfigure" noise. Everything still works fine | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | never seen things this busy :) | 18:08 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: ya, been watching and waiting... | 18:08 |
| jebba | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5818 | 18:08 |
| povbot` | Bug 5818: We need servers | 18:08 |
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| Corsac | jebba: but packages won't be correctly installed | 18:10 |
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| saahleh | Do i something wrong? want to connect to a dynamic wep. in settings > connection added the connection, but how to connect to the saved connections? | 18:15 |
| saahleh | simple trying to the right ssid gives a dialog asking wep key. | 18:16 |
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| jebba | Corsac: then everything is broken, because that is how all the packages are done. | 18:18 |
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| jebba | there is no /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure in the release. | 18:19 |
| Hoxzer | any easy way to install n900 emulator on debian linux? | 18:19 |
| frals | ah, lovely, receiving MMS -> click on notification opens it in the browser | 18:20 |
| jebba | Hoxzer: perhaps install the full SDK? | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | Hoxzer: There's no emulator. You can install the SDK which includes a fairly complete Maemo environment on x86 using the GUI installer: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/How_to_install_Maemo_5_SDK_using_GUI_Installer | 18:20 |
| frals | now if python-conic would let me kill all active connections.. :D | 18:20 |
| jebba | though you could do it without the full SDK, i just don't know a "quick way" to do just an emulator | 18:21 |
| Hoxzer | Jaffa: Oh darn... I want something to test the feel of the device | 18:21 |
| Hoxzer | of course the speed is different anyhow | 18:21 |
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| Hoxzer | like android emu is a lot slower on PC | 18:21 |
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| Jaffa | Hoxzer: Given it's not an emulator, you have the reverse problem on Maemo :) | 18:22 |
| Aranel | xchat.. its awesome. | 18:22 |
| Jaffa | Hoxzer: You can get a feel for the UI concepts and some of the main apps, for sure. | 18:22 |
| Hoxzer | Jaffa: yep, I know but n900 is such a good device that no need to for emu | 18:22 |
| jebba | http://maemo.org/packages/ is down. I take that as a good sign, actually ;) | 18:22 |
| Hoxzer | Jaffa: just ssh and x-forward would work alright | 18:22 |
| Hoxzer | Jaffa: I guess... | 18:22 |
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| Jaffa | Hoxzer: Indeed. I often use gedit over sshfs to edit the Python and SSH to start it | 18:23 |
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| Corsac | jebba: that looks like a bad idea :/ | 18:28 |
| Corsac | I don't know why it has been stripped | 18:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | contributions from the clueful welcome! | 18:30 |
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| wazd_e63 | Anything hot besides vdvsx fame today?) | 18:31 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_e63, your 'designs' are in the article as well :) | 18:35 |
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| GAN900 | When did "fone" suddenly become vogue? | 18:38 |
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| GAN900 | ph, people, you are not Webster. | 18:40 |
| jebba | Corsac: hasnt been stripped. It wasn't in early versions of debhelper or whatever, AFAIK | 18:43 |
| Corsac | it's in debconf | 18:44 |
| jebba | GAN900: teléfono | 18:44 |
| Corsac | and it was in debconf even in etch | 18:44 |
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| jebba | debconf 1.4.70.osso2 | 18:45 |
| * jebba looking @ source now | 18:45 | |
| kov | so the n900 does not have avahi by default? | 18:45 |
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| wazd_e63 | vdvsx, well, they are yours there, but I Don't actually care much, just happy for you) | 18:48 |
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| pH5 | kov: no. it got installed as an indirect dependency when I installed accounts-plugin-haze though. | 18:50 |
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| jebba | Corsac: the bug has been around forever: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=927 | 18:51 |
| povbot` | Bug 927: Sardine: Missing dpkg-preconfigure causes error messages during installation | 18:51 |
| jebba | looking at debconf source package, i dont see how/why it is left out. But it has been gone since sardine at least (like 3 releases ago) | 18:51 |
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| kov | pH5, from extras-testing? | 18:53 |
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| pH5 | kov: either that, or even -devel. not sure. | 18:54 |
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| kov | pH5, k, thanks, I only found avahi-daemon on those | 18:55 |
| kov | I was expecting this to be in by default, though =( | 18:55 |
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| guerby | hi, http://www.expansys.fr/d.aspx?i=188856 had 9 N900 a few hours ago, now it's out of stock again | 19:02 |
| guerby | any statement from Nokia yet? | 19:02 |
| lcuk | frals, i was one day out :$ | 19:03 |
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| lcuk | sleep fail | 19:03 |
| lcuk | and omg @ you getting mms on device :) thats great | 19:03 |
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| xfxf__ | are there any official n900 accessories available? | 19:04 |
| xfxf__ | i'd love to buy another battery, at least | 19:05 |
| xfxf__ | and an official case and screen protector | 19:05 |
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| lcuk | i want to get an official n900 hackerbox :D | 19:05 |
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| saahleh | mutt | 19:08 |
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| frals | lcuk: hehe :D | 19:08 |
| frals | regarding mms; its very much not according to standards this mms "support" thou, im just getting the mms of the server and then nothing.. should look into sending the correct response once i downloaded it i guess | 19:09 |
| frals | but its working! (as long as your not connected to anything, then you have to run a manual script to fetch it from the sms push file, but still!) | 19:10 |
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| lcuk | frals :) | 19:10 |
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| Corsac | (hmhm, is it possible to erase only one sms?) | 19:16 |
| lcuk | yeah click it | 19:16 |
| lcuk | then from there i think you can delete it | 19:17 |
| lcuk | ? | 19:17 |
| lcuk | yeah you can | 19:17 |
| * lcuk just tested | 19:17 | |
| frals | yeah | 19:17 |
| frals | confirming here as well! | 19:17 |
| Corsac | ha yeah, it works, with normal sms | 19:17 |
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| Corsac | (I just imported an sms programmatically and I guess I did something wrong :) | 19:17 |
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| lcuk | Corsac, what you using to import/export? | 19:18 |
| Corsac | because taping on it doesn't give anything | 19:18 |
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| TomaszD_ | nms is being a complete asshole | 19:18 |
| lcuk | language/lib wise i mean | 19:18 |
| lcuk | nms? | 19:18 |
| Corsac | C and rt-eventlogger | 19:18 |
| frals | i wish there was some proper python wrapper for rtcom-eventlogger ;( | 19:18 |
| lcuk | kewl | 19:18 |
| TomaszD_ | nokia messaging | 19:18 |
| Corsac | I started from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37354 | 19:18 |
| Corsac | frals: I wish too | 19:18 |
| lcuk | you can access messaging api at some level from the easyapi in python | 19:19 |
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| mack | hello all | 19:19 |
| * lcuk cant wait for frals to get mms library working :) | 19:19 | |
| Corsac | hmhm, now that sucks if I'm stuck with those smses | 19:20 |
| frals | wonder if easy is still working with maemo5 | 19:20 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20091230_041442.user.lolcats.png | 19:20 |
| * lcuk needs to send lolcats :) | 19:20 | |
| frals | Corsac: you could *probably* delete them straight from the el.db | 19:20 |
| lcuk | frals ithink it is, afaik its what the pushn900 people used | 19:20 |
| mack | could someone tell me the path to where the maemo flasher would be installed on Ubuntu? | 19:20 |
| frals | cool, ill have a look at it at some point | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | mack i wasnt aware the flasher installed anywhere? | 19:21 |
| lcuk | hey woglinde | 19:21 |
| frals | need to make some kind of placeholder ui to run my ugly decode-sms-push.py when not retrieving the mms directly :< | 19:21 |
| mack | well the prob i have is that the flasher can't find the fw files | 19:21 |
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| lcuk | does flasher look for the firmware files? or do you use the console to direct it which file? | 19:22 |
| mack | not sure but ive followed the fw guide on talk.maemo and im getting nowhere | 19:23 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, gahhhhh sending that mail to tracy involves her sending back a link to shopping site for new couches | 19:24 |
| mack | the fw files are in a folder called maemo in the home folder | 19:24 |
| lbt | lcuk: I went with sshfs and read the syncevolution log files that way | 19:26 |
| lcuk | ahhh k | 19:27 |
| timeless | hi lcuk | 19:27 |
| lcuk | hiya timeless \o | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: about:config claims touching it ruins your warranty btw | 19:27 |
| timeless | yep | 19:27 |
| lcuk | balls, locked up browser on desktop | 19:28 |
| timeless | as far as firefox is concerned, it came w/ no warranty to begin with | 19:28 |
| Corsac | hhmh, though importing sms add them after all the already present | 19:28 |
| Corsac | it seems the ordering is done by id | 19:28 |
| timeless | and thus touching it voids it | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: yeah.. it has purpose in firefox but on a device.. :P | 19:28 |
| timeless | what should it say? | 19:28 |
| lcuk | olde style thar be dragons | 19:29 |
| timeless | i doubt nokia would approve of "here be dragons" | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | no, but that would be cool | 19:29 |
| lcuk | that be moomins? | 19:29 |
| lcuk | thar | 19:29 |
| timeless | it's safer not to change things | 19:29 |
| timeless | than to let nokia consider them | 19:29 |
| jebba | definitely confuses user and send the wrong "touch this void warantee"!!! BS threads that occur. | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: ? hackerbox? | 19:29 |
| timeless | sts: are you using my locale? | 19:30 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, id show you if my browser werent locked up | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38813 | 19:30 |
| timeless | jebba: has that happened yet? | 19:30 |
| lcuk | search for n900 hackerbox ort similar | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: odd. I sent a bug on that. | 19:30 |
| timeless | oh brother | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: namely that it has no warranty anyway | 19:30 |
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| timeless | sts: so.. | 19:31 |
| timeless | this is stupid | 19:31 |
| timeless | disabling ovi for browser is simple | 19:31 |
| timeless | you do it from the menu | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: nah, it was someone claiming maemo isn't as open as it claims cos about:config voids warranty | 19:31 |
| timeless | options, add-ons, extensions | 19:31 |
| timeless | tap ovi, disable | 19:31 |
| timeless | mine is disabled | 19:32 |
| jebba | timeless: what Stskeeps said ;) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38813 | 19:32 |
| jebba | also seen mention of flashing device void warantee too (FUD; but its on forums or somesuch here & there) | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: it does bring up a larger number of questions though :) | 19:33 |
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| Stskeeps | ie, does let's say, Mer, void warranty, or flashing your own kernel | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: the flasher readme is not reassuring - the linux | 19:33 |
| Muhvi | i think they put it there for the reason that people won't do it at then go to ask free warranty reinstall of software because they configured it wrong themselves | 19:33 |
| timeless | jebba: would you please comment explaining how to disable ovi | 19:34 |
| timeless | since afaict that went unanswered | 19:34 |
| Jaffa | timeless: BTW, changing "Ovi" to "App manager" is even easier than hacking Ovi's .desktop. And it's also easy to remove the preferential sorting of the first 12 items on the "More..." menu | 19:34 |
| jebba | PONG. /me drops ovi in mircob thx ;) | 19:34 |
| jebba | timeless: done | 19:35 |
| timeless | :) | 19:35 |
| timeless | jaffa: i'm kinda listening | 19:35 |
| jebba | timeless: you know how to disable google search bar? So if you enter "foo" you get 404 or no DNS or whatever and not a google search? | 19:35 |
| timeless | (there's jazz music in the background, well, the entire room) | 19:35 |
| Jaffa | timeless: For the former, something like the following (as root): perl -pi~ -e 's/"ovi\.desktop/"hildon-application-manager\.desktop/g' /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu | 19:35 |
| timeless | oh brother | 19:36 |
| Jaffa | timeless: For the latter, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7450 | 19:36 |
| timeless | jaffa: i'll add a package for that | 19:36 |
| povbot` | Bug 7450: Application sorting ignores first 12 items | 19:36 |
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| timeless | jebba: hold on | 19:36 |
| timeless | hey, do you guys have /usr/share/browser ? | 19:38 |
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| jebba | /usr/share/browser/browser_custom.desktop | 19:38 |
| timeless | is it as funny as i think it is? | 19:39 |
| * timeless sighs | 19:39 | |
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| timeless | feel free to file a bug | 19:39 |
| timeless | it's fairly clear that file shouldn't ship | 19:40 |
| jebba | ok will do | 19:40 |
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| timeless | speaking of jokes | 19:42 |
| timeless | /etc/gconf/schemas/browser.schemas | 19:42 |
| timeless | might as well include that in the same bug | 19:42 |
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| mrweasel | hi everybody! i just messed around with the keymap file on my N900 and apparently made a mistake, so now it won't boot up and all I get are these blinking dots. Is there any way to access the device in a rescue mode or something? (like the n8x0 bootloader had?) | 19:42 |
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| timeless | the n8x0 had a rescue mode?? | 19:42 |
| timeless | doesn't sound very nokiaish | 19:43 |
| woglinde | timeless rescue what? | 19:43 |
| mrweasel | well the bootloader you could install had one (community made) | 19:43 |
| woglinde | bootloader install? | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | mrweasel: flash it | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flasher | 19:43 |
| infobot | somebody said flasher was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 19:43 |
| mrweasel | SpeedEvil: yeah but then all my settings and stuff will get lost | 19:43 |
| woglinde | I would not exchange the bootloader on my nxx | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | mrweasel: there's bootmenu but someone needs to give it a loving hand to add usbnet | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | it's not bootloader, it's bootmenu | 19:44 |
| jebba | bugzilla should have a "preview" option like forums etc has | 19:44 |
| mrweasel | so if i try to connect it to the pc, i won't be able to access the root partition i guess? | 19:45 |
| timeless | right | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | mrweasel: correct, no hope, but help out with bootmenu | 19:45 |
| ShadowJK | wtf is an ovi browser extension anyway? | 19:45 |
| mrweasel | Stskeeps: is there already a bootmenu for n900? | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | mrweasel: yes | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | mrweasel: but not as featured as n8x0 one | 19:45 |
| mrweasel | Stskeeps: do you have a link? | 19:46 |
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| jebba | hmm, how to find in debian/maemo what is a source package for a binary? e.g. what is source to apt get for tablet-browser-ui ? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: t-b-u is closed | 19:48 |
| jebba | ah | 19:48 |
| jebba | bastards | 19:48 |
| pupnik | lftp is a great ftp client (on n900) | 19:48 |
| pupnik | pupnik.de:/www> ls gregale/*.deb |wc -l | 19:48 |
| pupnik | 124 | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: alternatives can be midori | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | mrweasel: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372885&postcount=22 | 19:50 |
| jebba | timeless: filed. | 19:50 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: ya, i use midori. It's decent, but kind of slow redraw etc | 19:50 |
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| kaudio | hello | 19:51 |
| mrweasel | Stskeeps: thanks | 19:51 |
| tru_ | is it only me that finds fennec so slow its unusable? | 19:51 |
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| lardman | aaargh! | 19:51 |
| timeless | jebba: mxr.maemo.org covers the open bits | 19:52 |
| timeless | tru: nightlies or a release? | 19:52 |
| * lcuk gets lardman a BLT and a glass of wine | 19:52 | |
| tru_ | nightlies | 19:52 |
| lardman | thanks lcuk | 19:52 |
| jebba | tru_: slooooooooooow | 19:52 |
| jebba | was just using nightly-trunk last night. | 19:52 |
| lcuk | whats boggling you | 19:52 |
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| jebba | i think it must be built with a ton of debugging or something. If I could find their debian/ dir somewhere, i'd rebuild it myself faster, if possible | 19:53 |
| lardman | gst-zbar is coming up with an undefined symbol error | 19:53 |
| jebba | i was working up a build of it yesterday too, but starting it from scratch is a bitch. | 19:53 |
| lardman | even though gst-dmtx. which is identical but for the names, works fine | 19:53 |
| timeless | jebba: i thought we had to make the serch engine "customizable" | 19:53 |
| timeless | jebba: re config, use about:buildconfig | 19:54 |
| timeless | if it doesn't say --enable-debug, it isn't | 19:54 |
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| RST38bis | lardman: doing anything new and exciting with gst? | 19:54 |
| jebba | man, there is maemo stuff that always appears. wtf is this mxr thing i'm looking at?? ;) | 19:54 |
| timeless | and if you can't find that, please don't waste people's time speculating | 19:54 |
| timeless | jebba: it's been in the channel topic since before you joined | 19:55 |
| jebba | timeless well about:buildconfig is still way short of a debian/ dir. Eg. the .list files etc. | 19:55 |
| jebba | hahahahha | 19:55 |
| lardman | RST38bis: adding datamatrix and 1D/QR decoding to the pipeline | 19:55 |
| RST38bis | ah | 19:55 |
| jebba | timeless: like i said, soooo much more to still check out | 19:55 |
| lardman | RST38bis: not my code, but just packaging it up, unsuccessfully in the case of zbar | 19:55 |
| timeless | debian dirs are JUNK | 19:55 |
| woglinde | jo lardman | 19:55 |
| woglinde | moo rst | 19:55 |
| lardman | hi woglinde | 19:55 |
| RST38bis | heh... do give subtitles a try though=) | 19:55 |
| RST38bis | heya woglinde | 19:56 |
| woglinde | *g* | 19:56 |
| lardman | RST38bis: what adding them? | 19:56 |
| woglinde | yeah subtitles | 19:56 |
| woglinde | there is a modul | 19:56 |
| lardman | RST38bis: should work with gst out of the box, just need a different media player app to wrap the pipeline | 19:56 |
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| RST38bis | yea | 19:57 |
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| jebba | would be cool to be able to git clone the whole http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/ | 19:57 |
| timeless | it isn't under vcs | 19:57 |
| pupnik | work with what ya got | 19:57 |
| timeless | i could probably setup rsync | 19:57 |
| timeless | if you're *very* careful, you could write a spider script | 19:58 |
| timeless | for each directory: recurse | 19:58 |
| jebba | yikes, wouldbe a bit messy | 19:58 |
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| timeless | for each file: save x?raw=1 as x | 19:58 |
| lardman | if any gstreamer gurus are bored and fancy taking a look at the gst-zbar code please do. Enable extras-devel and "apt-get source gst-zbar" | 19:58 |
| jebba | i've set up git pulls of tons from maemo.gitorious | 19:59 |
| lardman | undefined symbol: gst_video_filter_get_type | 19:59 |
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| timeless | mxr will have all of maemo.gitorious eventually | 19:59 |
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| timeless | i just haven't figured out the how | 19:59 |
| timeless | the box is a shared resource and doesn't approve of long indexing tasks | 20:00 |
| derf | lardman: You didn't stick around in #gstreamer long enough for an answer. | 20:00 |
| derf | 11:08:16 < zaheer_> yes | 20:00 |
| derf | 11:08:35 < zaheer_> you compiled it against a version of gstreamer that you are not using it with | 20:00 |
| derf | 11:09:16 < zaheer_> video filter base class is probably newer than what is in maemo which is where i assume you're using it | 20:00 |
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| timeless | so typically indexing needs to be done on another (staging) box | 20:00 |
| timeless | and then the result is rsync'd in | 20:00 |
| timeless | but my traditional index host is low on disk space | 20:01 |
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| lardman | derf: had to go out I'm afraid | 20:03 |
| lardman | thanks for repeating it for me though | 20:03 |
| lardman | is zaheer_ zaheerm? | 20:04 |
| * lardman looks for the #gstreamer logs | 20:04 | |
| derf | Yes (he's in here, too). | 20:04 |
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| lardman | yep, thanks | 20:05 |
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| clmntch | hey derf | 20:06 |
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| el_zilcho | Hey, out of curiosity, where do you guys place your Exception classes when fitting things into a MVC architecture? | 20:08 |
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| frals | i do it in model, might not be "right" thou :D | 20:09 |
| el_zilcho | yeah... that's wher ei'm at right now | 20:09 |
| el_zilcho | maybe i'll make it its own package | 20:10 |
| el_zilcho | since some are validation oriented which are more model.... some are load/save/controller oriented | 20:10 |
| clmntch | el_zilcho: mvc using what? asp.net | 20:10 |
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| el_zilcho | nah, this is actually java... i'm at work | 20:10 |
| clmntch | oh | 20:10 |
| el_zilcho | but none of my other windows open have any programmers in them | 20:11 |
| el_zilcho | my coworkers would be completely clueless | 20:11 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 20:11 |
| clmntch | don't tell derf, but i put them in the model | 20:11 |
| clmntch | coworkers tend to be that way | 20:12 |
| el_zilcho | hehe k | 20:12 |
| el_zilcho | ty | 20:12 |
| el_zilcho | both of you | 20:12 |
| lardman | hmm, that is interesting though, dpkg -l gstreamer-tools gives this on the SDK: 0.10.23-git305-0maemo5+0m5, but only this on-device: 0.10.23-git305 | 20:12 |
| javispedro | "Where Google could really innovate is how the phone is sold. The Nexus One is likely to be sold unlocked"... *sigh* | 20:12 |
| ShadowJK | Today when shopping a pointed at some finger-less mittens and said "I wonder how long these will still be sold, now that Apple has innovated them" | 20:13 |
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| aSIMULAtor | o hai happy new years etc bye | 20:13 |
| woglinde | lardman on sdk its work? | 20:14 |
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| lardman | not tried it there | 20:14 |
| lardman | however gst-dmtx builds and runs | 20:14 |
| woglinde | hi aSIMULAtor | 20:14 |
| woglinde | ah bye | 20:14 |
| woglinde | sorry | 20:14 |
| el_zilcho | later, have fun on your journey | 20:15 |
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| lardman | and I copied the build files (changing names) to create the gst-zbar package | 20:15 |
| angasule | javispedro: didn't you hear? droid is the first smartphone OS based on linux :P | 20:15 |
| lardman | gst-zbar builds, but at runtime has that error | 20:15 |
| woglinde | lardman did you check the compile log | 20:15 |
| woglinde | maybee it complains about the missing function and link it | 20:16 |
| woglinde | anyway | 20:16 |
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| lardman | I didn't spot anything when I last looked, but here';s the output: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m608c235b | 20:18 |
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| uhsf | angasule: your last statement is very false | 20:23 |
| uhsf | OpenMoko is the first smartphone OS based on Linux. | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | phone may be a bit of a stretch | 20:24 |
| woglinde | OpenMoko is not a phone | 20:24 |
| woglinde | *sigh* | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | It was. | 20:24 |
| woglinde | apple is a laptop | 20:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | it was a mostly usable phone in march 2007 | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | It then sort of dropped the ball. | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - a1200 et al was first | 20:25 |
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| woglinde | greenphone | 20:25 |
| pupnik | The first sub-project is Openmoko Linux, a Linux-based operating system designed for mobile phones, built using free software. | 20:25 |
| pupnik | The second sub-project is the development of hardware devices on which Openmoko Linux runs. | 20:25 |
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| javispedro | Heh. The usable one was based on GTK+, while the 2008 one on Qt and E17 (at least that's what wikipedia says) | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:26 |
| * javispedro wonders if fremantle will also be "the usable one" and harmatan "the qt one" | 20:26 | |
| Mek | I thought the trolltech provided qtopia software for openmlko was the most functional/usable? | 20:27 |
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| angasule | uhsf: my statement was intentionally wrong, as is obvious if you read what I was replying to :) | 20:29 |
| uhsf | k | 20:30 |
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| RST38h | heya javispedro | 20:36 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Well, Maemo is not OpenMoko | 20:36 |
| javispedro | morning/afternoon RST | 20:36 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I do not believe it had anything to do with Qt | 20:36 |
| mrweasel | omg. it retains phone contacts after reflash. that made my day !!!!oneeleven | 20:37 |
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| lpotter | openmoko was not the first linux based smartphone | 20:41 |
| woglinde | apple is a laptop | 20:42 |
| lpotter | apple is the record company owned by the beatles | 20:42 |
| lcuk | apple is a delicious fruit | 20:43 |
| go1dfish | heh funny story, I know the guy who first showed mccartney midi on a macintosh | 20:44 |
| lpotter | apple the fruit is owned by Monsanto | 20:44 |
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| kaudio | i have a n810 but i need use a bluetooth modem in it | 20:46 |
| kaudio | wvdial in maemo work ? | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | kaudio, I would try add it as a phone in the control panel, and then add a new connection? | 20:47 |
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| mavhc | funny how smartphones are basically linux vs bsd | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | uh, no | 20:54 |
| RST38h | not really | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | Smartphones are mainly Linux-derived vs Windows CE vs (niche) iPhoneOS | 20:55 |
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| shinkamui | at this point, im gonna have to reboot this shit | 20:55 |
| luke-jr | or is iPhone OS actually a BSD unlike OS X? | 20:56 |
| frals | hmm, anyone else notice sending a ":D" in a sms arrives as ":d"? | 20:56 |
| javispedro | bsd smartphone? | 20:56 |
| RST38h | MSDOS smartphone! | 20:56 |
| luke-jr | nah, Wikipedia says it's Darwin-based | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | frals: oh boy, that's a disaster waiting to happen | 20:57 |
| mavhc | iphone is bsd as much as android is linux | 20:57 |
| javispedro | iphone is as bsd as much as windows nt is bsd | 20:58 |
| frals | yepp! dealbreaker etc.. still annoying thou :P | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | mavhc: nobody said Android was Linux | 20:58 |
| mavhc | but it is | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | and I'm pretty sure Darwin has no relation to BSD | 20:58 |
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| luke-jr | mavhc: not really. Android is an OS that *doesn't* work with Linux | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | it requires its own custom fork(s) | 20:58 |
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| mst | has anybody attempted to use something like the vuzix wrap920 with an n900? | 21:01 |
| mst | (and if this is completely the wrong place to be asking, please tell me) | 21:01 |
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| K` | annnnd, again | 21:02 |
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| luke-jr | hi mst | 21:02 |
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| joppu | t.m.o totally down? | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | WORKSFORME | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | I guess the question is whether Step is BSD ;-) | 21:04 |
| ShadowJK | nextstep I guess | 21:04 |
| lpotter | luke-jr: you are perhaps forgetting symbian is also smartphone | 21:05 |
| kaudio | ShadowJK you was right | 21:06 |
| kaudio | ShadowJK maemo its super | 21:06 |
| joppu | What is symbian based on? | 21:06 |
| ShadowJK | epoc | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | lpotter: meh, smartphone is useless IMO :D | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | my point was more that 1) Windows is still there; 2) BSD is not there | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | in other words, BSD is dead! | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 21:07 |
| lpotter | if a smartphone is so smart, why does it need additional apps to be installed? :) | 21:08 |
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| mavhc | because your mom | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | joppu, so apparently there's "Symbian", which is a combination of "Symbian OS", S60, UIQ and MOAP(S). S60 runs ontop of "Symbian OS", as does UIQ and MOAP(S), I think. "Symbian OS" is a descendant of Psion's EPOC. | 21:09 |
| papo | hm, my first impression of maemo is "cool, but buggy" :( | 21:09 |
| ShadowJK | papo, what bugs have you encountered? | 21:09 |
| kaudio | mp3 player by console in maemo ? | 21:10 |
| RST38h | UIQ is dead and MOAP is very very niche | 21:10 |
| RST38h | So, it is S60, i.e. Avkon | 21:10 |
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| ShadowJK | kaudio, why console? | 21:11 |
| papo | ShadowJK: colour picker is gray all over the place, skype contacts which are online on my notebook have the status offline, troubles with the GPS, the email application is not working at all, volume control is not respected when playing flash videos in the browser, system sounds are routed to the bluetooth headset if connected, stuff like that | 21:12 |
| kaudio | ShadowJK i have my .mp3 in a server remote and its more faster y console | 21:13 |
| ShadowJK | I guess mplayer works.. | 21:13 |
| papo | ShadowJK: and the clock is not accurate when set to "automatic updated", it's usually off by 2 minutes but showed 31st of January today, even though I don't have any doubts that the operator is announcing date and time properly | 21:13 |
| ShadowJK | The + and - keys changing their use depending on context is a feature, I think, as is routing all sounds through bluetooth when bluetooth is connected.. | 21:14 |
| lcuk | it would be daft to send some sounds through and not others | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | when/if I find a bluetooth receiver I like, I know I'd want it that way too | 21:15 |
| lcuk | papo, why is the color picker grey? | 21:15 |
| lcuk | gray even | 21:15 |
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| ShadowJK | the one in sketch gave me colours atleast :) | 21:16 |
| papo | ShadowJK: yes. I noticed the flash thing because I wanted to watch a flash video in an environment where one is not supposed to be loud. So I set the device to silent but sound came out anyway | 21:16 |
| lcuk | thats different | 21:16 |
| woglinde1 | lalalaa | 21:17 |
| papo | lcuk: I have no idea why this is. I can see some predefined colours on the right, but on the left, where I guess should be some color cloud thing and a hue slider, everything is white. and the squares for the colors are just gray, but I don't know why. Any colour that was selected works though, it's just that I'm somewhat blind because I don't see them in the picker | 21:17 |
| * lcuk understands that one | 21:17 | |
| ShadowJK | It's kinda funny actually, older apps that don't know about Silent/General profiles end up being quiet when "Silent" profile is activated, and people complained about it as bugs :) I think for them the expectation was that the profile setting specifically controls actions taken on incoming calls and messages | 21:18 |
| lcuk | normal, nocalls, silent | 21:18 |
| * lcuk would have those profiles | 21:18 | |
| lcuk | running out anyway bl | 21:19 |
| ShadowJK | Well I just use volume slider.. | 21:19 |
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| papo | ShadowJK: Oh and when I select the ringtone in the settings, it sounds fine, but when the phone is ringing, the ringtone sounds somewhat clipped | 21:19 |
| ShadowJK | and alsamixer -c 0 in a terminal, because the lowest volume is still too loud on headphones | 21:19 |
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| ShadowJK | I've heard about that one before, I wonder if it has been reported to the bugtracker yet | 21:19 |
| kaudio | ShadowJK i would like something like mp3baster | 21:21 |
| Kamn900 | hmm | 21:22 |
| Kamn900 | nice | 21:22 |
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| Kamn900 | the n900 is way more stable than my desktop atm | 21:23 |
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| Kamn900 | been connected in xchat all night on my phone | 21:24 |
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| RST38h | speaking of which... | 21:24 |
| wao | w32 | 21:24 |
| Kamn900 | disconnected on the pc 8 times this am already | 21:24 |
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| woglinde | moo | 21:28 |
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| hrw | re | 21:36 |
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| ShadowJK | Kamn900, same internet connection? | 21:39 |
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| K` | yep | 21:40 |
| K` | its the wired interface on the router | 21:40 |
| tstaerk | hi, how can I install cmake into a scratchbox | 21:40 |
| K` | all my desktops lose connection at the same time | 21:40 |
| ShadowJK | odd | 21:40 |
| K` | but the wireless shit stays stable | 21:40 |
| K` | Im gonna replace it this weekend | 21:41 |
| ShadowJK | all of the desktops windows? | 21:43 |
| K` | no | 21:45 |
| K` | only 1 is | 21:45 |
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| K` | the other 2 are debian boxes | 21:45 |
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| K` | how does that google voice plugin work on the N900 | 21:47 |
| K` | I installed it, but it doesn't show up in IM/VOIP | 21:48 |
| K` | unless its got a wierd name | 21:48 |
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| ifreq | any IM which uses the video? | 21:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Instant message with video? That's a new one... wow | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | replacement for pink MMS'es obviously | 21:56 |
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| toggles_w | It would be nice to be able to gtalk with vid n900<->n800 | 21:57 |
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| mavhc | what other clients can the n800/10 built in IM thing video chat to? | 21:59 |
| uhsf | video chat is the biggest fail ever for linux | 21:59 |
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| woglinde | uhsf why? | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Peter Jackson Now Accepting Applications For Extras in The Hobbit | 21:59 |
| toggles_w | mavhc: i've managed to get it to work with 2 random java imp on windows but that's it | 21:59 |
| RST38h | GO FOR IT! | 21:59 |
| Corsac | can someone reboot the n770 running maemo.org? | 22:00 |
| woglinde | corsac lol | 22:00 |
| K` | toggles_w: its called tlephathy-TheOneRing | 22:00 |
| toggles_w | K`: i couldn't get that to log in | 22:01 |
| K` | there was an update last night | 22:02 |
| K` | but now its missing altogether | 22:02 |
| toggles_w | ahh, didn't see that yet | 22:03 |
| K` | 1.0 alpha 6 | 22:04 |
| pupnik | maybe all the nokia / osso packages could get fasttracked without going through the extras builder queue | 22:04 |
| K` | 0.1.0-6 | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: what was the autobuilder stuff? | 22:05 |
| K` | guess, Im stuck with dialcentral for now | 22:05 |
| K` | yech | 22:05 |
| pupnik | kaudio, i don't think we could list the number of ways to play mp3s in console. i use mplayer atm | 22:05 |
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| AakashPatel | Ahh telepathy hurts my brain | 22:07 |
| AakashPatel | anybody familiar with it? | 22:07 |
| papo | Hm, nokia is an interesting company. First I wait months for the device and then they shut down maemo.org the day I receive it... | 22:09 |
| andre__ | AakashPatel, no. but if you have a concrete question, just ask. | 22:09 |
| andre__ | papo, that's not true | 22:09 |
| papo | andre__: which part? | 22:09 |
| andre__ | papo, "shut down maemo.org" :) | 22:09 |
| AakashPatel | it wasnt really a concrete question, just wonder how to get started creating a accounts IM plugin | 22:10 |
| papo | andre__: Hm ok but something is wrong with it | 22:10 |
| andre__ | AakashPatel, http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ ? :-P | 22:10 |
| andre__ | papo, which is...? it's slow, yeah. but new servers are currently getting installed and migrated to | 22:10 |
| AakashPatel | thanks :P | 22:10 |
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| papo | andre__: hm currently I'm failing to load the page at all | 22:11 |
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| andre__ | papo: true, confirming. but as bugs.maemo.org or wiki.maemo.org work I assume that this specific server might get migrated right now. | 22:12 |
| * andre__ should know this but does not. yay | 22:12 | |
| papo | andre__: Ok, never mind, I'll read some bug reports in the meantime then | 22:13 |
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| papo | ah t.m.o is working even | 22:14 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it's good some things are seperate | 22:15 |
| Jaffa | papo: talk.maemo.org is run entirely separately (AIUI) | 22:16 |
| papo | hm yes, didn't know that | 22:16 |
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| Jaffa | Nokia just pay Reggie's bills. | 22:16 |
| AakashPatel | what version of mission control does maemo 5 have? | 22:18 |
| AakashPatel | 5? | 22:19 |
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| ShadowJK | What IS mission control? | 22:19 |
| AakashPatel | telepathy stuffs | 22:19 |
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| andre__ | AakashPatel, libmissioncontrol-server6 5.2.6 and osso-mission-control 5.16 here according to "dpkg -l" | 22:21 |
| AakashPatel | ah nice | 22:21 |
| K` | anyone set up a universal remote on the N900 | 22:22 |
| K` | I was looking at irreco, but it seems to have a very limited # of premade remotes, and I don't see a way to create a custom remote yet | 22:22 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | K`: quit while you're behind | 22:23 |
| lucent | K`: ditto, I tried irreco and am not sure how to go about it | 22:23 |
| K` | Gadgetoid_iMac I appreciate the encouragement | 22:24 |
| K` | I think im onto something | 22:24 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | K`: yeah, the wonderful ability to control your devices almost 50cm away! | 22:24 |
| K` | Gadgetoid_iMac the transmitter on the N900 is that weak? | 22:25 |
| K` | SIR not FIR? | 22:25 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I've not been able to get it to do anything much with the Apple remote profiles with the damned thing pressed up against my receiver, so it's probably a combination of crap software and crap hardware | 22:26 |
| lucent | K`: I've seen a video on youtube explaining how to set up an irreco profile on N900 | 22:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I've never had a single IR sporting device that worked well as a universal remote :( | 22:27 |
| mavhc | I always use bluetooth remotes | 22:27 |
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| Aranel | something wrong with maemo.org or its just me? | 22:30 |
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| Shadikka | It's been slow for a while now. | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | server migration | 22:30 |
| andre__ | reminds me that my server is due next week :-P | 22:31 |
| Aranel | ok then, do you know when itll be ok? | 22:31 |
| andre__ | when it's done ;-) | 22:31 |
| * Stskeeps is finally migrating all his equipment into his office as the guys who also live in this apartment is moving out. | 22:33 | |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, flatshare fun? :) | 22:34 |
| K` | lucent | 22:34 |
| K` | Im looking at another guide for the N900 | 22:34 |
| K` | but it appears to stem on someone having already created the remote for your tv | 22:35 |
| K` | slash device | 22:35 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: well, they lived here while my wife was abroad so | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | but moving from 60m^2 apartment to a 20m^2 was too much to deal with :) | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | so now we're expanding our living space :P | 22:39 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, conquer everything! :-P | 22:40 |
| * Stskeeps is getting rather irritated at software rendering on i386 working fine and looking crap on armel.. | 22:41 | |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: mesa? 24bit on x86 and 16bit on armel? | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: 16bpp on both | 22:50 |
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| Stskeeps | (yeah, i've tried mesa-24bpp and hildon desktop, is not pretty) | 22:52 |
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| Stskeeps | this is weird though, i'm getting background not working and dialogs without content.. | 22:53 |
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| arachnist | you sure you aren't forcing bigendian somewhere in the code for armeb? | 22:53 |
| arachnist | armel* | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | arachnist: true, there was a colours fix recently | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if this is cause.. | 22:54 |
| wazd_e63 | back again | 22:55 |
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| Stskeeps | it does feel silly to use software rendering on a n900 but .. | 22:58 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: it does look a little like a rouge nokia employee yes | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | well, or a chinese timeless | 23:03 |
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| Kamn900 | well. that ducked | 23:05 |
| Kamn900 | sucked | 23:05 |
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| Kamn900 | no n900 tv remote for me | 23:06 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Eh? | 23:07 |
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| * RST38h lost this thread. What was it about? | 23:07 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: the autobuilder flood of packages | 23:09 |
| RST38h | ah | 23:10 |
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| mkargar | i have n900!i have connect to internet share!i have internet on the eth0 (ethernet card) an i want share it by eth1(wireless card)!i tested ad-hoc!but,it is only for wirless internet connection! | 23:17 |
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| mkargar | do you want help me? | 23:17 |
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| thresh | only if you use less exclamation marks! | 23:19 |
| papo | does anyone know how the activesync log in bug 5597 was obtained? I don't see much in /var/log/ | 23:19 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5597 First Synchronization between N900 and Exchange 2003 Server always fails | 23:19 |
| thresh | and i didnt really get what you're trying to talk about. | 23:19 |
| mkargar | do you want help me? | 23:20 |
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| papo | mkargar: I'm not sure if I understand what you want | 23:21 |
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| mkargar | papo:ok!i want connect to internet on the n900!but,internet mobile on the my country is broken!altough | 23:24 |
| mkargar | papo:ok!i want connect to internet on the n900!but,internet mobile on the my country is broken!i want connec t to internet by shared internet connections!how to i want? | 23:25 |
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| mkargar | i have dsl connection on the my laptop(by eth0) and i want share it by eth1(wireless card)!how to? | 23:27 |
| papo | ah I see | 23:27 |
| papo | mkargar: you want to set up some NAT setup | 23:27 |
| papo | to share the internet connection of the laptop with the nodes connected by wlan | 23:27 |
| thresh | and i think even win xp could do that | 23:28 |
| mkargar | papo:i using arch linux! | 23:28 |
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| papo | mkargar: yes it's not that hard with linux, all you have to do is make sure that you can ping the laptop from your n900 and then it's a matter of 2 commands | 23:29 |
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| mkargar | papo:how to ping n900 from laptop?i must use ad-hoc? | 23:30 |
| papo | mkargar: if you don't have any access points or similar hardware, yes, you have to use ad-hoc mode | 23:31 |
| ifreq | mkargar: why youre not on #archlinux then? | 23:31 |
| ifreq | and they have damn good wiki too | 23:32 |
| papo | mkargar: some wlan adapters even allow you do act as ap but that's not guaranteed... and I agree with ifreq, all I can give you is the general commands, but distributions usually implement custom hooks for such thinks and I don't know how to to a permanent setup properly for arch | 23:32 |
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| woglinde | re javis | 23:33 |
| javispedro | moo | 23:33 |
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| mkargar | ifreq:i tried wiki!but,not found best guide about ad-hoc! | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: the colour fix causes weird issues on armel | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: like mesa-on-armel | 23:34 |
| javispedro | like? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | well, the surfaces are totally white | 23:34 |
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| papo | mkargar: iwconfig <wlan_interface> essid <your_essid> mode ad-hoc does not work? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | i reverted the one that went into gitorious and the issue went away | 23:34 |
| mkargar | papo:i shoult inter above command on the maemo? | 23:35 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: do you have that commit handy? :P | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | yes, hang on | 23:35 |
| mkargar | *should | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: it works fine on 16bpp mesa on i386 which wonders me | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/clutter_0_8/commit/2c8f0217b48da492664e372a680612f618258c8b | 23:36 |
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| papo | mkargar: I'd run it on the laptop. Then you have to set an IP on that wlan interface and connect the N900 to the laptop | 23:36 |
| woglinde | clutter 0.8 again | 23:37 |
| papo | I'm not sure if the GUI supports static IPs, so you either have to set up a dhcp server on the laptop or just set an IP address using the terminal on the N900 | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | yes, static ips are supported | 23:37 |
| papo | ok that makes it easier then | 23:37 |
| lcuk | and have gui access | 23:37 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: can you pastebin the output of glxinfo on that target? | 23:37 |
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| mkargar | papo:i tested!it's ok!i useed this guide:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Adhoc | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: it's a n900 with mesa from ubuntu, but yes | 23:38 |
| * lcuk knows gordon :) | 23:38 | |
| felipec | has anybody gotten mafw-lastfm to work? | 23:38 |
| mkargar | papo:but,it guide is only for wireless internet connection! | 23:38 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: dunno why armel could cause that to fail, so I can only think of a difference between armel/x86 mesa builds... | 23:38 |
| papo | mkargar: yes but that one has to be up first | 23:38 |
| papo | mkargar: so can you ping the laptop from the N900? it's not worth going on if that's not working | 23:39 |
| mkargar | papo:i tested!but,no page open on the browser! | 23:40 |
| mkargar | papo:i tested!but,does not open on the browser! | 23:41 |
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| papo | yes that's not supposed to work yet. but pings must work. like ping 192.168.0.1 or whatever IP you gave | 23:41 |
| lcuk | wow, did they make a ping for web 2.0 that works in browser? | 23:42 |
| mkargar | papo:i testing....please waiting... | 23:42 |
| papo | lcuk: ICMP 2.0 | 23:42 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: at least not to add to the insanity, the colours problem does appear on armel too :P | 23:43 |
| javispedro | to be expected... | 23:44 |
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| javispedro | what's weird is that you see white textures | 23:45 |
| javispedro | I would have expected the color swap to happen always | 23:45 |
| javispedro | or something like that | 23:45 |
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| javispedro | the only explanation I can think for that is that the armel mesa doesn't support packed_pixels and apps are sending 4_4_4_4 textures. | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | big endian vs little endian maybe? | 23:47 |
| javispedro | but chances for both things are dim | 23:47 |
| javispedro | that would cause colors to be swapped always | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | want me to see if it works OK with your patch? | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | like, the original | 23:48 |
| javispedro | yes please, that should tell us if it's a 4_4_4_4 issue | 23:48 |
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| javispedro | but the glxinfo output would tell me that too :) | 23:50 |
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| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/Screenshot-20091230-224928.png | 23:52 |
| javispedro | hrw: does that work without patching hildon-desktop? | 23:53 |
| hrw | javispedro: yes | 23:53 |
| javispedro | nice! | 23:53 |
| javispedro | there's even support for multiple categories iirc | 23:53 |
| hrw | no idea yet why 'More...' is not last one | 23:53 |
| pupnik | are you touchinng the datestamps? | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | is it necessary to do anything more than move the .desktop files around? | 23:54 |
| hrw | pupnik: no | 23:54 |
| javispedro | touching some xdg menu files probably? | 23:54 |
| hrw | ali1234: I do not move file | 23:54 |
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| hrw | s | 23:54 |
| hrw | vi /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu | 23:55 |
| javispedro | nice | 23:55 |
| javispedro | I was scrolling through h-d source code the other day and found a place where I though they were hardcoding the applications | 23:55 |
| javispedro | but seems that's not used or something | 23:55 |
| pupnik | lol @ ^M s | 23:56 |
| jebba900 | heh pupnik i just saw that too... | 23:56 |
| hrw | and loooot of .DS_Store files in filesystem | 23:56 |
| hrw | ~curse macosx | 23:56 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, macosx ! | 23:56 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: building.. | 23:58 |
| jebba900 | wow it takes effect immediately hildon.menu | 23:58 |
| pupnik | now i can put all those games in a folder... | 23:59 |
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