| ShadowJK | I'hah, it worked with https | 00:00 |
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| ShadowJK | so broken.. | 00:01 |
| * RST38h politely asks the Tentacled One to suck the brains out of whoever decided to use this sorry excuse for CMS on maemo.org | 00:02 | |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Thanks! Need to find one more guinea pig and... | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | np | 00:03 |
| Shadikka | maemo.org is sooooo slooooooow x_X | 00:04 |
| wazd | - Getting to IRC with a single poke at the screen (open terminal, connect, login and resume screen) | 00:04 |
| wazd | oh my | 00:04 |
| n900evil | rst: ? | 00:04 |
| RST38h | n900: what? | 00:05 |
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| n900evil | wondering why pigs. | 00:05 |
| n900evil | sigh. xchat scroll is bad. | 00:06 |
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| RST38h | n900evil: because all monkeys have been euthanised. | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: http://pastebin.com/fca2ad91 | 00:07 |
| n900evil | see mechanical turk | 00:07 |
| Shadikka | I have kind of a strange "problem" :P | 00:07 |
| Shadikka | I'd like to do some Python magic on the N900, but can't think of anything <_<' | 00:07 |
| Arkenoi | looks like emelFM2 is the ugliest application i ever seen ;-) | 00:08 |
| RST38h | the most mysterious indeed | 00:08 |
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| RST38h | anyways, there is midnight commander | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | of course it's getting slow, it's christmas eve, all the geeks are logging on | 00:08 |
| Klowner | anyone know if there's a way to get the N900 terminal to use aliased fonts? :) | 00:09 |
| n900evil | aliased? | 00:09 |
| n900evil | are you mad? | 00:10 |
| RST38h | he means antialiased | 00:10 |
| n900evil | it's a 280dpi screen | 00:10 |
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| Klowner | well, I'm using 10pt font, and it kinda gets blurred out into nothing | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | I think he means aliased | 00:10 |
| RST38h | dont use tiny fonts | 00:10 |
| Klowner | I most certainly mean non-anti-aliased :) | 00:10 |
| RST38h | ah | 00:11 |
| RST38h | got it | 00:11 |
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| Klowner | tiny jaggy sharp fonts | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | I use minimum size, black on white, looks okay | 00:11 |
| lcuk | let the limitations of your eyes do the blending for you | 00:11 |
| n900evil | I'm usin about 6pt and it's _sharp_ | 00:12 |
| n900evil | maybe 7 | 00:12 |
| RST38h | you people are just not kind ot your eyes | 00:12 |
| Shadikka | Well, it doesn't exactly harm them :P | 00:12 |
| Shadikka | Just tire them a bit. | 00:13 |
| Shadikka | I use 9pt or 10pt depending on the situation myself. | 00:13 |
| Klowner | pretty much have to use monospace bold at that size | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | 10pt is about my limit on N900 | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: and of course edit sound.conf | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | I can use much smaller on N810, even much smaller when measured in physical displayed size of the font | 00:13 |
| lcuk | the n910 better have a brail screen | 00:13 |
| RST38h | and a steam-powered CPU | 00:14 |
| n900evil | by 7pt - I mean 7/64ths of an inch | 00:14 |
| frals | and color fax | 00:14 |
| Shadikka | And a coffee brewer! | 00:14 |
| RST38h | the final fax | 00:14 |
| Nitial | and holodeck generator | 00:14 |
| Klowner | mind control and x-ray camera | 00:15 |
| RST38h | and a paper tape reader/writer, for swap | 00:15 |
| ShadowJK | projector would be nice | 00:16 |
| RST38h | Ok. Sleep. | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: sound.conf : http://pastebin.com/f13c93193 | 00:16 |
| mikhas | anti-grav field | 00:16 |
| mikhas | I dropped mine today =/ | 00:16 |
| * RST38h just wants a physically bigger screen. | 00:16 | |
| mikhas | no harm was done though | 00:16 |
| mikhas | well, no *physical* harm, emotionally though ... | 00:16 |
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| ShadowJK | hehe | 00:16 |
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| zash | RST38h: when do we get fold-out screens? | 00:18 |
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| Wolfie | merry christmas all | 00:21 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Likewise. | 00:22 |
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| jaska | y | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, do i remember someone making a punchcard reader using a webcam | 00:31 |
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| AakashPatel | lolwut | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | heh that,s geeky | 00:31 |
| AakashPatel | no one has made a protobuf package for maemo yet? | 00:31 |
| * AakashPatel shall | 00:32 | |
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| Wolfie | sorry for the newb question, but why does my esbox list no build targets (e.g. "FREMANTLE_X86") when I try to create the pyqthelloworld project? is it because I might not have pyqt installed in scratchbox? | 00:33 |
| flux | hmph, I was hoping to run oprofile per instructions from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/oprofile, but apparently the stock n900 doesn't come with oprofile kernel support (nor a module). is the module available somewhere? | 00:33 |
| Wolfie | c++ project templates were created just fine | 00:33 |
| Wolfie | The wizard does propose "Scratchbox 1 (/scratchbox/)" as a group, but no nodes underneath | 00:34 |
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| flux | gaah, serves me right, the documentation said at the beginning where the module is :-) | 00:35 |
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| * Gadgetoid_mbp munches a carrot | 00:38 | |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | ladies and gentlemen. The illusion is complete. | 00:38 |
| ifreq | lä ny meit syytä | 00:39 |
| ifreq | ww | 00:40 |
| ifreq | .. | 00:40 |
| ShadowJK | step away from the kossu | 00:40 |
| henningms | gakksi | 00:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Tomten stod på tomten! | 00:41 |
| ifreq | ShadowJK: my 1M mobile internet has 1-2KB/sec for irssi atm.. | 00:41 |
| ifreq | so a bit laggy | 00:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Tomten är en bög! | 00:41 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: Ok, thanks. Was absent for a while, giving hints to my father on supcom | 00:42 |
| wazd | Gadgetoid_mbp: pon-pon-pata-pon | 00:42 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Språkfascister kan komma när de ser ett komma! | 00:42 |
| Tanuva | I cannot find anywhere how to become root on the n900. could someone gimme a hint? :) | 00:42 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | wazd: pata-pata-pon-pata | 00:42 |
| wazd | Tanuva: hint: rootsh | 00:42 |
| wazd | Gadgetoid_mbp: fever! | 00:43 |
| ali1234 | Tanuva: http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 00:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | wazd: i genuinely lolled | 00:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But then I also laughed at: One snowman said to the other: "Do you smell carrots?" | 00:43 |
| Tanuva | ali1234: thanks :) | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: xchat has a bug yet. it segfaults on saving prefs. so you need to edit the files in .xchat2 | 00:44 |
| wazd | Gadgetoid_mbp: oh my :) | 00:44 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: I thought that was a feature! | 00:44 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | vi has a better UI than the non-maemo5erized XChat prefs anyway | 00:45 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 00:45 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 00:46 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | hai! | 00:46 |
| LuciusMare | how do i copy gsm contacts from sim? | 00:46 |
| wazd | I should definitely grab xchat to my forge | 00:46 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | LuciusMare: ##n900 | 00:48 |
| * Gadgetoid_mbp notes that 3 of the people in that room are somehow him | 00:48 | |
| Gadgetoid | oh look... i'm online! | 00:49 |
| Xisdibik | lies | 00:49 |
| Xisdibik | your offline | 00:49 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Xisdibik: .... | 00:49 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | YOU HAZ POWAZ!!! | 00:50 |
| Xisdibik | I haz big powaz | 00:50 |
| lcuk | why the extra # | 00:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Apparently it's a freenode condition for "lesser" channels | 00:50 |
| Mousey | for "corporate" | 00:51 |
| type_t | for "clan" and "sect" | 00:51 |
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| lcuk | so theres #n900 and ##n900 | 00:53 |
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| type_t | there is #noseers too | 00:53 |
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| type_t | this channel has 433 can we invite some people so we can beat #gentoo ! it would be a nice Christmas Gift for all.. | 00:58 |
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| type_t | need 336 only :/ | 00:59 |
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| LuciusMare | removing contacts wi.. remove them also on the "real" xmpp acc? | 01:00 |
| lcukn900 | type_t there is more than one way to skin a cat. but theres plenty of time | 01:02 |
| type_t | i know how for real! | 01:03 |
| type_t | grab the tail and pull as hard as you can.. | 01:03 |
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| mikhas | ouch, I dont want to know ... | 01:06 |
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| n900evil | found the flasher, now where are the images? | 01:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Wow, 8mb of (unused) gpg eating mai root | 01:15 |
| type_t | get some FIASCO images <n900evil> | 01:16 |
| AakashPatel | Hmmm I'm working on a project that depends on a different project | 01:17 |
| SmilyOrg | yay, my app actually works | 01:18 |
| AakashPatel | But what if htat other project doesnt make it into extras by the time mine does | 01:18 |
| Jaffa | Ah. Kids in bed. In-laws in bed. Presents under the tree (and over the rest of the floor). Cup of tea and a QI. Perfick. | 01:18 |
| AakashPatel | what would i do? | 01:18 |
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| SmilyOrg | AakashPatel interesting | 01:18 |
| AakashPatel | Yeah, I'm planning on creating a Protobuf project and a Google Voice project becuase Google Voice will depend on protobufs | 01:19 |
| AakashPatel | So I'm wondering what I would do if the protobuf project doesnt make it into the extras repo by the time Google Voice app does | 01:19 |
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| Jaffa | AakashPatel: Anything in `Depends' is pulled up with it | 01:20 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, dont forget to clomp around on the roof, drink the milk and take a bite out of the carrot | 01:20 |
| AakashPatel | Ohh | 01:20 |
| AakashPatel | Sweet | 01:20 |
| SmilyOrg | <3 madde | 01:21 |
| AakashPatel | "Please provide detailed, accurate description of your project and what garage resources and in which way you plan to use." | 01:21 |
| AakashPatel | What garage resources? | 01:21 |
| SmilyOrg | lol | 01:21 |
| AakashPatel | File hosting? | 01:21 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Milk? Normally sherry, but was brandy this year - and I've been in the loft (after x glasses of wine) :) | 01:21 |
| Jaffa | AakashPatel: Just to be sure - you realise a Garage project has NO relation whatsoever to publishing software in Extras, right? | 01:22 |
| * lbt sync'ed his contacts/calendar from n900 to egroupware/ldap :) | 01:23 | |
| Jaffa | Smily: MADDE is cool; looking forward to seeing it fully integrated into SDK for Maemo 6 developers and Qt Creator | 01:23 |
| AakashPatel | Oh wait whatt | 01:23 |
| AakashPatel | Jaffa: Then where would I publish projects to be put into the repos? | 01:23 |
| lbt | sadly one way atm | 01:23 |
| Smily | Jaffa i'd like it fully integrated for Maemo 5 too :P | 01:23 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: You wouldn't happen to know a way to activate the flash light, would you? | 01:24 |
| Jaffa | AakashPatel: Garage provides "typical" software project resources, e.g. version control; web site hosting etc. To publish to Extras you need to just push a variety of files at the auto-builder. It doesn't care where those files have come from. | 01:24 |
| Smily | it doesn't seem that far away, i was able to hax it in a bit, isn't pretty but it half works at least :) | 01:24 |
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| Jaffa | AakashPatel: i.e. http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: sure. use flashlight | 01:24 |
| AakashPatel | Oh | 01:24 |
| AakashPatel | Okay thanks for the link | 01:24 |
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| * n900evil tries apt-get upgrade as a last ditch unbuggerer. | 01:25 | |
| Hukka | Oh, wow. Finally | 01:25 |
| Shapeshifter | Will this "OrangeBox" never stop staring threads? | 01:25 |
| type_t | applause !! for <Jaffa> .. | 01:25 |
| Shapeshifter | It's been weeks | 01:25 |
| mikhas | AakashPatel, use anything but garage for project hosting, seriously =) | 01:25 |
| Jaffa | AakashPatel: If you have nowhere else to version control your software, and want to collaborate, and don't want to use Sourceforge, Codehaus, Gitorious, Google Code, ... then you can apply for project space on Garage. | 01:25 |
| Shapeshifter | He's opening a thread a day | 01:25 |
| Hukka | I was only aware of that simple app that makes the screen white | 01:25 |
| AakashPatel | Okay | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: nah that's spyw... err nonsense ;-P | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the app is called flashlight | 01:26 |
| lbt | although I thought garage projects count for karma? | 01:26 |
| Hukka | Yeah, google gave it to me | 01:26 |
| Hukka | Didn't exist two weeks ago, so hadn't notice | 01:26 |
| Hukka | +d | 01:26 |
| Smily | flashlight appears in the menu when it shouldn't for me | 01:27 |
| Jaffa | lbt: I think *membership* of them does, a bit. | 01:27 |
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| Hukka | I was just searching in the dev forum for dbus magic or something like that and hack one for me, but sure, this is better | 01:27 |
| Smily | i can turn it on when the cover is closed, makes a bright line through the cover, heh | 01:27 |
| lbt | karma is too complex... I'm going back to syncml | 01:27 |
| Jaffa | lbt: I don't think it values commits or anything. | 01:27 |
| Jaffa | lbt: :) | 01:27 |
| * Jaffa read the SyncML spec. Once. For a bit. | 01:27 | |
| Jaffa | Then ran. Ran for the hills :) | 01:28 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: Now, how to disable autostart for the camera app :? | 01:28 |
| AakashPatel | Haha. | 01:28 |
| lbt | it's spooky stuff | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Smily: I wish I knew how to reliably reproduce that | 01:28 |
| Smily | i know | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: not at all atm :-/ | 01:28 |
| Smily | i'm not sure which steps are necessary, but i can try to explain them here | 01:29 |
| wazd | nowai they did it! http://www.loopycellphones.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Sony-Ericsson-MW600.jpg | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: I suggested to make flashlight autostart instead of cam app. light flashlights (config option) and display a menu with 3 buttons "still cam" "video" and "light off/on" | 01:30 |
| wazd | I wished BT handsfree with plug-in headphones for like 5 years ( | 01:30 |
| Hydroxide | hm. if my n900's micro-usb connector has come loose so that I have to continuously press down on it in order for a connection to register, would nokia consider the warranty to be voided? | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: the way it,s atm it's much too clumsy for everyday use | 01:32 |
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| Hukka | Whoo, that light is really strong | 01:33 |
| Smily | hmm, i can't reproduce the flashlight bug anymore, maybe i updated it, but i know it had something to do with using the screenshot applet and taking a screenshot with the camera capture button and then flashlight appeared or something like that | 01:33 |
| Hukka | I think I'll keep the other app too, for those times I need to find something among sleeping people | 01:33 |
| Hukka | Is there a way to get a list of new apps in -testing and -devel? | 01:34 |
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| Hukka | Something to check now and then for interesting stuff | 01:35 |
| Hukka | The QA queue isn't sortable by date | 01:35 |
| Hukka | There's also a list for latest packages, but that also counts new versions | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: heh thanks. gave me an idea. Make that "flashlight on/off" button a slider for brightnesso | 01:36 |
| Arkenoi | wazd: they make it for several years already, not this fancy model though | 01:36 |
| Arkenoi | and jabra does as well | 01:36 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: Is that possible? | 01:37 |
| Hukka | Since it's made as a flash light, I'd think it's always full power or none | 01:37 |
| Hukka | Would be great, though | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think it is. the led controller is programmable for led current | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: and actually what you see now is just the 50mA mode. it can do 6 times that mutch. For 0.5sec though maximum | 01:39 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: oh | 01:40 |
| Smily | oh, that's the difference between torch and flash modes then? | 01:40 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: then I'm out of business I guess :) | 01:40 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: Holy... | 01:40 |
| AakashPatel | yay protobuf compiled for armel | 01:40 |
| Hukka | That's almost a selfdefence device there! Blind the assailant in the night | 01:41 |
| Hukka | Half a second is quite long, for a flash | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: you need that for anti red eye multiflash. I think they sum up | 01:42 |
| * wazd ponders how come some people have 2 and even three n900s... | 01:43 | |
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| Arkenoi | wazrd: nokia does massive giveaway, i think they buy one and later get one for free | 01:47 |
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| xorAxAx | is there a flashlight app with LED support already? | 01:48 |
| Arkenoi | yes | 01:48 |
| xorAxAx | name? | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xorAxAx: see backscroll. just 30min | 01:49 |
| xorAxAx | i couldnt find the name | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flashlight | 01:49 |
| xorAxAx | its not in testing | 01:49 |
| xorAxAx | why? | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | is the name | 01:49 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: well, that was more a rhetoric question :P | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odd enough | 01:49 |
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| xorAxAx | who is the maintainer? | 01:50 |
| Hukka | xorAxAx: See the package page | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe because it+ just one week old | 01:50 |
| Hukka | I think it was in testing too, but can't be bothered to check again | 01:50 |
| Hukka | name of the app is enough to find all relevant info on maemo.org | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd guess it's in devel | 01:51 |
| Hukka | moodlight is also useful | 01:51 |
| Hukka | I currently don't have light in the bathroom | 01:51 |
| Hukka | Moody showers! | 01:51 |
| xorAxAx | it is called flashlight applet! | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OMG | 01:52 |
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| wazd | Arkenoi: btw, I think you still don't recognize me, I'm that tall guy with RST38h and Mobile Camp/ n900 meeting :D | 01:54 |
| Arkenoi | ah :-) | 01:55 |
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| wazd | Arkenoi: I'm kind of a UI designer in here, so if you'll ever be up for some developing - call :) | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | heh wazd. So you read my comment about flashlight app above? ;-) | 02:00 |
| lbt | Goodnight all - merry christmas... :) | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | merry christmas | 02:00 |
| wazd | lbt: Mer ry christmas :) | 02:00 |
| lbt | heh | 02:01 |
| type_t | <wazd> Ok! develop this .. make the screen flash and the pixeling to flow "down" like a water cascade... :> | 02:01 |
| wazd | type_t: I'm a designer, not developer yet :) | 02:01 |
| type_t | what the kitchen is too hot for ya? | 02:02 |
| wazd | type_t: well, I'm the part of the kitchen, but I'm not boiling potato, I'm serving it :) | 02:03 |
| type_t | anyway its called tvsnow.. | 02:03 |
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| michaels_ | Get windows keys for only 5 eur http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :) | 02:03 |
| type_t | throw me a bone once in a while .. | 02:04 |
| michaels_ | Get windows keys for only 5 eur http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :) | 02:04 |
| wazd | michaels_: die for free | 02:04 |
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| Jaffa | Hukka: The QA list is in chronological order, oldest first. | 02:05 |
| michaels_ | Get windows keys for only 5 eur http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :) | 02:05 |
| Hukka | michaels_: May you try the flashlight app when the phone is pointing to you | 02:05 |
| lcuk | type_t, just play with liqflow | 02:05 |
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| lcuk | heppy christmas folks btw \o | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | chanop. please kick michaels_ | 02:05 |
| Hukka | Jaffa: That too is about versions, though | 02:06 |
| lcuk | also, regarding the torch, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7320 | 02:06 |
| povbot | Bug 7320: camera missing manual backlighting option | 02:06 |
| Hukka | Better than nothing, of course, but not that good about keeping track of innovations :) | 02:06 |
| Macer | i have to admit. avatar is a movie i can watch way more than 1 time | 02:07 |
| ifreq | hmm okay :P | 02:07 |
| Macer | the movie is awesome | 02:08 |
| lcuk | its a movie james cameron needs you to watch way more than one time | 02:08 |
| Macer | lcuk: haha | 02:08 |
| Macer | lcuk: it really was well made. it is somewhat difficult to realize that 90% of it is cg | 02:08 |
| Hukka | No spoilers, please :) | 02:08 |
| Hukka | I'm seeing it tomorrow, or on the weekend | 02:08 |
| Macer | Hukka: it is worth the money ;) | 02:08 |
| Hukka | Surprisingly my 50k hometown has a 3d theatre | 02:09 |
| Macer | unlike 99% of all movies | 02:09 |
| wazd | Hukka: beleive me, there's nothing to spoil | 02:09 |
| Macer | wazd: haha | 02:09 |
| Hukka | wazd: I kinda was thinking that too :) | 02:09 |
| wazd | Hukka: story line is damn obvious and straight :) | 02:09 |
| Hukka | "There's 3d effects" "Gaah!" | 02:09 |
| Macer | wazd: it was dances with wolves + surrogates + blue aliens | 02:09 |
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| Macer | haha | 02:09 |
| wazd | Hukka: but 3d is goddamn awesome, just saw it in IMAX | 02:09 |
| Macer | but it was still a good movie | 02:09 |
| Macer | great movie actually | 02:10 |
| n900evil | aliens can't get equity cards | 02:10 |
| Macer | n900evil: hahaha | 02:10 |
| Hukka | Macer: Would you watch with a regular screen? | 02:10 |
| GAN900 | Macer, FernGully | 02:10 |
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| Macer | Hukka: yes if it were HD ;) | 02:10 |
| Macer | not standard though | 02:10 |
| Macer | even though i did watch the telesync before going to the theatre to see it | 02:10 |
| Hukka | Of course with 1080p, what else is there these days :? | 02:10 |
| Hukka | Ugh, telesync | 02:10 |
| Macer | so you know it has to be good if i already saw it and wanted to actually go pay to see it again | 02:11 |
| Hukka | Macer: Or you just realised that there's nothing apart the effects :) | 02:11 |
| Macer | Hukka: no. i actually liked the storyline also | 02:11 |
| wazd | absolute jawdrop for first 15-20 minutes | 02:11 |
| Macer | and of course the visuals | 02:11 |
| Macer | who made the effects? | 02:11 |
| wazd | then you get used to 3d and actually watch the movie :) | 02:11 |
| Macer | they did an amazing job | 02:11 |
| wazd | Macer: : you better not watch credits | 02:12 |
| Macer | i didn't | 02:12 |
| Hukka | Macer: Wasn't it ILM+wet? | 02:12 |
| Hukka | weta, I mean | 02:12 |
| wazd | Macer: It was like a small country of FX pros listed :D | 02:12 |
| Macer | a small country hahaha | 02:12 |
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| wazd | Macer: All possible studios except pixar | 02:12 |
| Macer | why not pixar? :) | 02:12 |
| Macer | bad blood or something? | 02:12 |
| wazd | Macer: Jobs can't afford own Avatar I guess :D | 02:13 |
| Macer | cameron and lucas got together and decided since they spoofed star wars in toy story 2 they weren't going to do it? | 02:13 |
| Macer | i bet it was some stupid pixar decision that they are going to regret later hahaha | 02:13 |
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| wazd | Or Jim just sait "Sorry Steve, but I really can't make a scene where Na'Vi is calling with an iPhone, seriously" | 02:14 |
| wazd | said* | 02:14 |
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| Macer | wow. avatar pulled in 73M already | 02:14 |
| Macer | and that was just last weekend | 02:15 |
| wazd | 73M? More like 250+ ) | 02:15 |
| wazd | WW | 02:15 |
| Macer | are they actually showing it in non-imax theatres? | 02:15 |
| wazd | Macer: sure | 02:15 |
| wazd | Macer: how you got your TS you think :) | 02:15 |
| Macer | wazd: 3D decoding hidden lens? | 02:16 |
| wazd | Actually 2D version is worth watching too cause there's no DOF blur and you can check all the stuff you've missed :) | 02:16 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 02:17 |
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| Macer | the girl from avatar was ahura from star trek? :) | 02:17 |
| wazd | LuciusMare: ho | 02:17 |
| LuciusMare | how can i gwt ntpdate on maemo? | 02:17 |
| Macer | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/ | 02:18 |
| Macer | haha. they even have their own special imdb page.. instead of the default theme | 02:18 |
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| wazd | James Cameron rendered Pandora planet faster than GP2X assembled Pandora console :) | 02:19 |
| mavhc | why would the 2d version have no DOF blur? | 02:19 |
| Macer | HAHHAHH | 02:20 |
| wazd | mavhc: well, it looks just like ordinary movie | 02:20 |
| mavhc | one of those people had $300 million | 02:20 |
| mavhc | they have DOF, that's half of the "film" look | 02:20 |
| wazd | mavhc: and IMAX version have to blur everything outside of very narrow DOF to make a 3D feel | 02:20 |
| Macer | DOF blur? | 02:20 |
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| wazd | mavhc: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4241918208/tt0499549 | 02:21 |
| wazd | mavhc: see? It's sharp. In IMAX Avatar would be blured | 02:21 |
| mavhc | would be? | 02:21 |
| wazd | mavhc: yes, beleive me :) | 02:21 |
| mavhc | I find 3d films sometimes have too sharp a look on the wrong parts, if you're not focused on the right thing it's weird | 02:21 |
| mavhc | have you seen both? | 02:22 |
| wazd | mavhc: just 3D, this morning | 02:22 |
| wazd | mavhc: actually all these blurs looks natural if you follow the actual focus with your eyes :) | 02:23 |
| ifreq | isnt LSD for the 3D? | 02:23 |
| ifreq | :-P | 02:23 |
| LuciusMare | yes,but i like to refocus all the time | 02:23 |
| ifreq | i mean without the 3D goggles and stuff | 02:23 |
| mavhc | the bluring should help focusing then | 02:23 |
| mikhas | I hate animated movies | 02:23 |
| wazd | mavhc: yeah, that's the point :) | 02:23 |
| ifreq | i hate humans | 02:24 |
| LuciusMare | lol | 02:24 |
| wazd | it emulates eye behaviour | 02:24 |
| mavhc | mikhas: watch paintings then | 02:24 |
| Hukka | Read comics | 02:24 |
| mavhc | in real life I'm constantly away of double images for things I'm not focused on | 02:25 |
| ifreq | mavhc: you got some real life? cool | 02:25 |
| LuciusMare | wow | 02:25 |
| LuciusMare | where can i download it? | 02:25 |
| mikhas | the colours of RL are awesome | 02:25 |
| mavhc | apt-get install alife | 02:25 |
| mikhas | it's all 3d out of the box! | 02:25 |
| LuciusMare | woah | 02:26 |
| LuciusMare | thats cool | 02:26 |
| ifreq | awesome man | 02:26 |
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| ifreq | its on extras repo? | 02:26 |
| mikhas | and the blurring effects are just done right | 02:26 |
| ifreq | heh | 02:26 |
| mikhas | they even took into effect when you're drunk! | 02:26 |
| LuciusMare | but,isnt all these 3d things just eyecamdy? | 02:26 |
| Hukka | ifreq: -devel. Don't touch it, if you don't like to live on the edge! | 02:27 |
| mikhas | into effect? what did I to say ... "into consideration"! | 02:27 |
| mikhas | *try* to say | 02:27 |
| Hukka | There have been reports of death for getting into a life | 02:27 |
| ifreq | Hukka: i live on the edge everyday | 02:27 |
| LuciusMare | i think i will stick with good ol' 2d desktop | 02:27 |
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| * mavhc robot9000s that joke | 02:28 | |
| LuciusMare | meh. | 02:28 |
| LuciusMare | bye | 02:29 |
| LuciusMare | g2g | 02:29 |
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| rlinfati | # hi!, where i can get firmware 51-1 ? | 03:10 |
| felipec | rlinfati: it's not out yet, is it? | 03:11 |
| rlinfati | felipec, is released to a selected people.... | 03:12 |
| GAN900 | rlinfati, are you among that group? :) | 03:12 |
| * n900evil is, but I forgot the url. | 03:13 | |
| n900evil | really. | 03:13 |
| felipec | lol | 03:13 |
| rlinfati | n900evil :( | 03:14 |
| GAN900 | rlinfati, the firmware was distributed to a limited group of people for a reason. :) | 03:15 |
| GAN900 | If they had intended to distribute it to everybody they would have. | 03:15 |
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| ShadowJK | GAN900, I guess the idea is to gauge how many percent of devices it "bricks" | 03:17 |
| ShadowJK | where bricks is "needs reflash" | 03:17 |
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| Disease | hello ! | 03:23 |
| Disease | and happy christmas :p | 03:23 |
| Disease | I want to know, weechat on maemo, it's possible ? plz | 03:24 |
| * FIQ wish everyone a merry christmas | 03:24 | |
| zerojay | ShadowJK: No, it's really really not. | 03:24 |
| zerojay | ShadowJK: It's to bug test the update. | 03:24 |
| ShadowJK | "bricked" is a bug, no? | 03:25 |
| ShadowJK | That post was referring to some comments which I gathered to be complaints about NSU in diablo-chinook timeline bricking clone to sd devices | 03:25 |
| zerojay | It's a showstopper, not just simply a bug. | 03:25 |
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| zerojay | And bricking on unsupported hacks like clone to SD isn't something they would consider a bug. | 03:26 |
| zerojay | If there was any real possibility of bricking, they wouldn't have given the firmware to us. | 03:26 |
| ml-N900 | Disease: possible, but requires someone interested in doing it | 03:27 |
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| Disease | you do not know if this is planned or not? | 03:28 |
| zerojay | Disease: What's weechat? | 03:29 |
| Disease | a IRC client ! | 03:29 |
| zerojay | Open source? | 03:29 |
| Disease | like irssi | 03:29 |
| Disease | yes of cours | 03:29 |
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| Disease | on the extra-devel there are irssi and Xchat but not weechat :'( | 03:31 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, who was that asshat on itt who turned his troll thread into a blog? | 03:33 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, 2006/2007 | 03:33 |
| luke-jr | wasn't me that time | 03:34 |
| GiantTalkingCow | What was he trolling about? | 03:34 |
| GAN900 | Just general person attacks | 03:34 |
| luke-jr | oh | 03:35 |
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| luke-jr | even I don't stoop that low | 03:35 |
| GAN900 | He had some sort of video game monster avatar | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | I stick to attacking teh company or device | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | :p | 03:35 |
| GAN900 | Think his name started with an s | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | anyhow | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: MERRY CHRISTMAS | 03:35 |
| GAN900 | OrangeBox is reminding me of him. | 03:36 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, Merry Christmas, hope it's a happy and safe one. :) | 03:36 |
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| luke-jr | GAN900: only if we stay home <.< | 03:37 |
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| GiantTalkingCow | Speaking of trolls, I just read some amazing free software rants over in the Reddit tech/linux subreddits; it's gotten to the point that I can't tell if it's real or not. | 03:37 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: btw, in case my serial port failure is of interest to you: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/mer/n810/IMG_2631.JPG | 03:37 |
| luke-jr | GiantTalkingCow: plenty of legitimate reason to complain about that ;) | 03:38 |
| * luke-jr ponders finding these 'subreddits' things | 03:38 | |
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| GiantTalkingCow | True, but this was stuff like "...the BSD license is too free and will kill Linux! It's not REALLY free." etc. | 03:39 |
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| luke-jr | GiantTalkingCow: wtf? how is the BSDL even applicable here? | 03:40 |
| GiantTalkingCow | To make a long story short, a lot of the Gnome devs along with the guys behind Mono want to move to a BSD license for their new stuff. | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | oh, not Nxx0 related | 03:44 |
| luke-jr | who cares? GNOME and Mono are failures | 03:44 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Nah, hust went off on a tangent... and honestly, desktop Linux is a failure overall. (imo) | 03:45 |
| GiantTalkingCow | just* went... | 03:45 |
| julianoliver | pretty much. still, it sucks the least imo. | 03:46 |
| julianoliver | (overall) | 03:47 |
| luke-jr | GiantTalkingCow: as terrible as GNOME is, I'm sure it's more usable than Windows | 03:48 |
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| GiantTalkingCow | I beg to differ. The guts of the system are just fine, but the UIs drive me up the wall. I just don't think a good user interface can be made by committee. (this plagues proprietary software too, btw) | 03:48 |
| luke-jr | meh, KDE's UI is pretty nice, but the guts are the problem | 03:49 |
| GiantTalkingCow | As for Gnome versus Windows, I'd say it's sort of a stalemate at this point. I use all three major OSes, and they're all lacking in the UI department. I wish they'd steal each others' best features a bit more often, to tell the truth. | 03:49 |
| luke-jr | everything's too bloated | 03:49 |
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| luke-jr | there's only two major DEs competing for least-crappy: OS X and KDE | 03:50 |
| julianoliver | luke-jr: Ubuntu had a chance but in reality Shuttleworth couldn't dress a desktop to save himself. | 03:50 |
| luke-jr | julianoliver: Ubuntu is GNOME-centric, so no, it really didn't :p | 03:50 |
| zerojay | GAN900: Good god, I can't remember now. | 03:51 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Nah, KDE's awful. It's focused on those awful widgets, still doesn't have half the useful features of v3, has awful layout and a file manager that makes me want to shoot myself. I seriously wish they'd hired a few UI designers when going over to v4. | 03:51 |
| julianoliver | luke-jr: i have to teach with OS X from time to time, i think it's pretty awful. | 03:51 |
| julianoliver | KDE however is simply lost. | 03:52 |
| julianoliver | all in all, the desktop metaphor is silly however, lost. | 03:52 |
| luke-jr | GiantTalkingCow: you clearly haven't used it since 4.0. 4.1 at most | 03:52 |
| GiantTalkingCow | OS X is a combination of some excellent features, along with some stuff that makes me want to drive down to Cuptertino and kick Steve Jobs. | 03:52 |
| GiantTalkingCow | luke-jr: 4.3 actually. The Suse version. | 03:52 |
| luke-jr | but admittedly, I never use Dolphin | 03:52 |
| julianoliver | indeed. The Finder "why is all my software so lost that i have to Find it?" | 03:52 |
| luke-jr | GiantTalkingCow: SuSE version is irrelevant | 03:53 |
| GiantTalkingCow | errrr, Cupertino* | 03:53 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Okay then, name a good one: KDEMod? | 03:53 |
| luke-jr | GiantTalkingCow: vanilla KDE? | 03:53 |
| julianoliver | it's also all a bit 'Fisher Price'. that 3D dock is just really awful too. we'll look back at that and squirm. | 03:53 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Vanilla or not, it's not the added stuff that bothers me, it's the basics of the system. Options and lack thereof. | 03:53 |
| GiantTalkingCow | julianoliver: I squirmed when I first saw it. Thankfully, that sort of stuff is easily themeable, at least. | 03:54 |
| julianoliver | right. | 03:54 |
| GiantTalkingCow | As I can't hear you, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. It's really easy to modify. | 03:55 |
| julianoliver | GiantTalkingCow: if we're talking about OSX no, i really dislike it. i develop for/on it from time to time and also teach on it. my overall experience is one of frustration. i prefer not to use it. | 03:56 |
| julianoliver | but anyway, this channel is about another platform! | 03:57 |
| GiantTalkingCow | To each his own, I suppose. I find Linux to be a huge pain these days... well, on the desktop. Embedded and mobile versions are generally quite easy to work with, but things like drivers problems (bloody video drivers) tend to be a pain. And you're right, so back on topic: to those who've had an N900 for a while now, what's your opinion? I'm looking to grab a new smartphone.... | 03:58 |
| GiantTalkingCow | ...sometime in the next month. | 03:58 |
| julianoliver | i love the thing. | 03:58 |
| julianoliver | it's a little bulky, but once i chose to accept it as a very small, full featured computer with phone capability, it looks unusually small for it's capability. | 03:59 |
| GiantTalkingCow | How's the keyboard? Big enough? Not prone to accidental key presses? | 03:59 |
| luke-jr | GiantTalkingCow: KDE is anything but lacking options | 04:00 |
| julianoliver | i can type now and quite a stride on it. much faster than i have been able on an iPhone or HTC soft kb. | 04:00 |
| julianoliver | s/and/at/ | 04:00 |
| infobot | julianoliver meant: i can type now at quite a stride on it. much faster than i have been able on an iPhone or HTC soft kb. | 04:00 |
| julianoliver | good bot | 04:00 |
| julianoliver | GiantTalkingCow: the KB feels good. the action is great, the texture of the keys also. | 04:01 |
| GiantTalkingCow | luke-jr: Well, I am comparing KDE 4 to the 3.x series.... | 04:01 |
| * FIQ is going to buy a N900 very soon, in the weekend probably | 04:02 | |
| julianoliver | being able to pull up a terminal and have a full debian system right there is quite a buzz. | 04:03 |
| luke-jr | ... it's not Debian -.- | 04:03 |
| julianoliver | a developer magnet for those that have learned to prefer Debian package management. | 04:03 |
| luke-jr | where is all this "Maemo is Debian" nonsense originating? | 04:04 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Which is most people that have tried it, imo. | 04:04 |
| GiantTalkingCow | I assume he's not referring to Maemo, but the fact that you've been able to install Debian on the Nokia tablets for quite a while now. (the older ones, at least) | 04:04 |
| julianoliver | luke-jr: it's certainly 'Debian' enough for me. only once or twice have i found non Debian paths in /etc/. apt-* and dpkg are all synonymous with stock Debian. just great. | 04:04 |
| luke-jr | GiantTalkingCow: the context implies Maemo | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | julianoliver: apt-* is obsolete for Debian and exists equally on Ubuntu, Xandros, et al | 04:05 |
| julianoliver | GiantTalkingCow: Maemo 5 uses apt/dpkg for package management. core configuration files and device handles are all debian synonymous. | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | apt/dpkg do not make a system Debian | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | what makes a system Debian are the Debian package repositories | 04:06 |
| julianoliver | luke-jr: Xandros and Ubuntu are Debian derivatives. | 04:06 |
| luke-jr | julianoliver: derivatives, yes. Debian itself, no. | 04:06 |
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| julianoliver | luke-jr: i've been using Debian as my core OS since Potato. for all extensive purposes, Maemo is a 'Debian OS', within the broader family of operating systems. | 04:07 |
| luke-jr | julianoliver: so you can 'aptitude install kde' and it will just work? | 04:07 |
| julianoliver | s/extensive/extents\ and\ purposes/ | 04:08 |
| infobot | julianoliver meant: luke-jr: i've been using Debian as my core OS since Potato. for all extents\ and\ purposes purposes, Maemo is a 'Debian OS', within the broader family of operating systems. | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | hm | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | infobot's regex fails | 04:08 |
| julianoliver | luke-jr: i don't know. try it. | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | s/(?<=x/ support/ | 04:08 |
| n900evil | slackware++ | 04:08 |
| julianoliver | i'm out to catch some sun. | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | julianoliver: the obvious answer is 'no' :p | 04:08 |
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| Disease | ++ all | 04:12 |
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| pwnguin | yay flashlight app | 04:33 |
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| grondilu | Hi, can I use ekiga on a N900 ?? I see only skype, Google Talk, jabber and "SIP". What is "SIP" ? I tried that with my akiga account, it didn't work. | 04:46 |
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| villager | ekiga uses SIP, does it not? | 04:51 |
| villager | you probably have to mess a bit with the settings but it should be possible to make it work | 04:52 |
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| grondilu | Ysure, sip is the name of the protocol, but I thought it was a branding or something... | 04:53 |
| grondilu | So "SIP" in the entry is the general accès to sip clients ? Then Ekiga should work indeed. | 04:54 |
| villager | what? Session Initiation Protocol? I don't think that's branding | 04:54 |
| villager | yeah, I've managed to set up my Gizmo5 account using SIP, you should be able to do the same with ekiga | 04:55 |
| grondilu | Yes but maybe some company would have used it for its name. But ok that was silly from me to think that. | 04:55 |
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| grondilu | Ok I'll keep on trying to configure Ekiga using SIP | 04:55 |
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| villager | for Gizmo5, in the basic settings I had to use the full address (username@proxyserver)... in the advanced settings, only the username in the username field | 04:57 |
| villager | and of course the correct proxyserver | 04:58 |
| grondilu | ah yes I forgot, I'm behind a proxy. | 05:02 |
| villager | SIP proxy is not the same as your proxyserver though | 05:02 |
| grondilu | damned, that seems to too complex for me... | 05:03 |
| villager | ekiga.net provides the SIP proxy | 05:03 |
| villager | not sure what it would be | 05:03 |
| villager | looks like maybe the proxy address is just ekiga.net | 05:04 |
| grondilu | in the advanced settings, what is the "ougoing proxy" ('proxy sortant') ? | 05:06 |
| villager | that's the one I've been talking about... so you can just try ekiga.net | 05:06 |
| grondilu | doesn't work with ekiga.net | 05:08 |
| grondilu | I still get "non connected" | 05:08 |
| villager | I'm not really sure how it works if you're behind a local proxy though, since I'm not... you probably need to set up the local proxy somewhere, though presumably you already did so for the web browser | 05:08 |
| grondilu | indeed | 05:09 |
| villager | I'm really not sure how SIP works behind a proxy | 05:10 |
| villager | perhaps you should try to get it to work on an open network first, then messing with proxies later | 05:11 |
| grondilu | but my local proxy is very basic, I've just retrieved it from http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 | 05:11 |
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| villager | hmm, that looks like NAT, not actually a proxy server | 05:12 |
| grondilu | ohh | 05:12 |
| grondilu | it's quite the same, isn't it ? | 05:12 |
| villager | no | 05:13 |
| grondilu | anyway is that the reason why I can't connect ? | 05:13 |
| villager | if it's just NAT, then it should probably at least connect | 05:14 |
| villager | what are your settings now? | 05:15 |
| grondilu | there are pretty much the same (I just changed the interface names) | 05:16 |
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| villager | are you running ekiga on the same LAN behind the same NAT gateway? | 05:20 |
| grondilu | yes, I think | 05:21 |
| villager | have you looked here: http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Ekiga_behind_a_NAT_router | 05:22 |
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| aspidites | happy holidays | 05:24 |
| grondilu | seems relevant, indeed. I'll have a look at that. | 05:25 |
| villager | apparently you can install some sip proxy software on your gateway if you want, perhaps that'll help | 05:26 |
| villager | if not, you have to make sure STUN is enabled I guess | 05:27 |
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| grondilu | aptitude search siprox => p siproxd - SIP proxy/redirect/registrar | 05:36 |
| grondilu | I'll try that | 05:37 |
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| grondilu | no more success. | 05:41 |
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| grondilu | damned with google talk that's work ! | 05:47 |
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| spencer_ | got a really n00b n900 question to ask. where do i upload my mp3/video onto the phone?? | 05:51 |
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| grondilu | what do you mean exactly ? | 05:52 |
| grondilu | if you mean "in which directory", anyone will do I think. | 05:53 |
| spencer_ | if i want to upload a song to my phone and play it in the media player, should that be in /home/user or is there a specific folder? | 05:53 |
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| grondilu | I think the media player will find them anywhere you put them. You'll have to clean your mess later if you really want to. | 05:53 |
| spencer_ | ok.. cool.. i'll give it a try. | 05:54 |
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| villager | spencer_: you should put it somewhere under MyDocs at least, much more disk space there | 05:55 |
| pwnguin | spencer_: when i connect it via usb | 05:55 |
| spencer_ | ok. | 05:55 |
| pwnguin | theres a hidden .sounds directory | 05:55 |
| grondilu | and a .videos indeed | 05:55 |
| pwnguin | yea | 05:55 |
| pwnguin | i just put it all ther | 05:56 |
| pwnguin | e | 05:56 |
| pwnguin | im sure it maps to somewhere in docs | 05:56 |
| pwnguin | MyDocs i mean | 05:56 |
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| villager | yeah, supposedly when you connect usb, MyDocs is exported over it | 05:58 |
| villager | .sounds is a subdirectory of MyDocs, but I decided to create my own directory ("Music") and put my stuff there instead of using .sounds | 05:59 |
| microlith | what's the usable space, minus upper and lower bar, for GUIs on the N900? 800x? | 05:59 |
| villager | that way the ringtones aren't part of my music collection | 05:59 |
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| aspidites | not sure microlith. best bet would be the hildon ui style guidelines i think | 06:01 |
| microlith | yeah, will take a look | 06:01 |
| * microlith wishes he could get the ruby-hildon bindings to compile | 06:01 | |
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| aspidites | ruby is pretty s*xy. i'm a defector though -- python | 06:02 |
| microlith | heh | 06:02 |
| microlith | I got the ruby-gtk bindings to build and run | 06:02 |
| microlith | ruby-glade too | 06:02 |
| aspidites | i can't stand gtk :-\ hince why i learned python instead | 06:02 |
| aspidites | documentation was pretty scarce to. or has that changed? | 06:03 |
| microlith | using a different widget toolkit? | 06:03 |
| aspidites | Qt | 06:03 |
| microlith | ahh | 06:03 |
| aspidites | messed with it at all microlith? i found it more pleasant to work with. though YMMV | 06:04 |
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| aspidites | esp. with mameo | 06:04 |
| aspidites | maemo* | 06:04 |
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| microlith | aspidites: no, have not | 06:05 |
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| grondilu | how can I make a SIP call with a N900. I want to try an echo test but only numeric entries are accepted in the prompt (??). I tried the echo test "613@fwd.pulver.com" but it says the contact is not connected. | 06:07 |
| grondilu | oops forgot to erase beginning of phrase. It's ok for alphabetic entry now. | 06:08 |
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| villager | in the dialing app, you choose your SIP account on the top left "call type" thing, and type the address, I guess | 06:09 |
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| grondilu | neither 613@fwd.pulver.com nor 500@ekiga.net works. | 06:12 |
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| villager | fwiw, those don't work for me either from my Gizmo5 account, though Gizmo5's own echo service works for it | 06:23 |
| grondilu | strange, isn'it ? | 06:23 |
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| microlith | hmm | 06:26 |
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| grondilu | pff... On my PC, with my Ekiga account and software, I can use 500@ekiga.net, but not 613@fwd.pulver.com. | 06:34 |
| grondilu | but 1234@loligo.com works with Ekiga ! (just found this number on the net) | 06:39 |
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| grondilu | 1234@loligo.com works with Ekiga on my PC, but not with Gooogle Talk on my N900 | 06:43 |
| CyZooNiC | you can try an echo test on my system *43@69.56.251.45 | 06:44 |
| grondilu | it works on my PC | 06:46 |
| grondilu | doesn't work on my n900 | 06:48 |
| CyZooNiC | mmm | 06:48 |
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| grondilu | i'll try on my PC with my Google Talk account | 06:48 |
| CyZooNiC | did it pick up the call? | 06:49 |
| grondilu | no: "contact off-line" (contact hors ligne) | 06:50 |
| CyZooNiC | I just tried with google talk and I get the same | 06:50 |
| CyZooNiC | I wonder if I need to have the number in a contact and have them online | 06:51 |
| grondilu | but it worked fine with ekiga | 06:52 |
| CyZooNiC | mmm | 06:53 |
| CyZooNiC | ekiga is a sip provider? | 06:53 |
| grondilu | ? | 06:53 |
| CyZooNiC | did you setup ekiga on your N900? | 06:54 |
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| CyZooNiC | sorry, I guess its pc software | 06:54 |
| CyZooNiC | who do you connect to? gizmo5? | 06:54 |
| grondilu | Google talk | 06:55 |
| grondilu | Google talk on my n900, Ekiga on my PC | 06:55 |
| CyZooNiC | oh, k | 06:55 |
| CyZooNiC | do you have a ekiga.net sip address? | 06:56 |
| CyZooNiC | you are trying to call it from the N900 via google talk? | 06:56 |
| Macer | skype ftw | 06:56 |
| CyZooNiC | :) | 06:57 |
| Macer | haha | 06:57 |
| Macer | pretty soon google voice is going to start putting adds in that you have to listen to before the call is connected | 06:57 |
| Macer | it's all just a matter of time | 06:57 |
| CyZooNiC | booo | 06:57 |
| CyZooNiC | I hope they don't do what they do with email and ads | 06:58 |
| grondilu | ooh google talk doesn't do VoIP ? | 06:58 |
| CyZooNiC | I dont think so, well not SIP | 06:58 |
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| grondilu | so why is it on N900's phone menu ??? | 06:59 |
| CyZooNiC | http://www.gtalk2voip.com/ | 06:59 |
| CyZooNiC | you can call Google talk clients | 07:00 |
| grondilu | with live messaging ? | 07:00 |
| CyZooNiC | they use XMPP | 07:00 |
| CyZooNiC | I'm not sure what you mean with live messaging. You can send IMs | 07:01 |
| grondilu | so again : if there's no voice, it should not be in N900's phone accounts menu. | 07:01 |
| CyZooNiC | it does voice, or so I thought | 07:01 |
| grondilu | another protocol than SIP ? | 07:02 |
| CyZooNiC | but not SIP, you can only call another Google Talk account | 07:02 |
| grondilu | they use XMPP to transmit voice ?! | 07:02 |
| CyZooNiC | I think so | 07:02 |
| zash | What? | 07:03 |
| grondilu | I thought it was for irc | 07:03 |
| CyZooNiC | so if you have google talk open on your computer logged into another account than on your N900 you should be able to call it | 07:03 |
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| CyZooNiC | On December 15, 2005, Google released libjingle, a C++ library to implement Jingle, "a set of extensions to the IETF's Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) for use in voice over IP (VoIP), video, and other peer-to-peer multimedia sessions."[18] Libjingle is a library of the code that Google uses for peer-to-peer communication, and was made available under a BSD license.[19] | 07:03 |
| CyZooNiC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk | 07:03 |
| grondilu | pff.. I dont't want their stuff... I'd like sip. | 07:05 |
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| CyZooNiC | You can setup your sip provider on the N900 | 07:05 |
| grondilu | I tried with ekiga but it didn't work | 07:05 |
| CyZooNiC | mmm | 07:05 |
| CyZooNiC | I have asterisk running and it works very well compared to what Nokia had in the early SIP days. | 07:06 |
| grondilu | did you have any pb with firewalls and things like that ? | 07:06 |
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| CyZooNiC | no, but the sip server I have is on a public network. I have more problems with firewalls and cisco phones than with the Nokias. | 07:07 |
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| CyZooNiC | bbl | 07:09 |
| siriusnova | I think Nokia is ignoring us N900 users | 07:14 |
| siriusnova | i mean no firmware updates, a buggy product and no support from any of the Ovi Maps or Ovi Suite | 07:14 |
| siriusnova | and then they wonder why apple eats their lunch in the smartphone market | 07:15 |
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| Macer | http://bugzilla.zimbra.com/show_bug.cgi?id=36961 | 07:21 |
| povbot | Bug 36961: was not found. | 07:21 |
| Macer | can everybody here make an account and go vote for that thing? | 07:21 |
| Macer | hehe | 07:21 |
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| * RST38h moos evilly | 07:43 | |
| RST38h | Hello, ladies and gentlemen | 07:43 |
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| CyZooNiC | the N900 doesnt compete with the iphone | 07:59 |
| CyZooNiC | its a tablet that happens to be a phone | 07:59 |
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| pwnguin | says who? | 07:59 |
| CyZooNiC | me :) | 07:59 |
| pwnguin | this "doesn't compete" crap is kinda like 'not for critics' | 07:59 |
| CyZooNiC | iphone was desiged to be simple and that is why its locked to the core | 08:00 |
| CyZooNiC | I don't see the N900 as being a regular consumer device | 08:02 |
| CyZooNiC | but that is me, Nokia may see it as being one | 08:02 |
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| pwnguin | is it a phone? | 08:05 |
| pwnguin | can you make calls on it? | 08:05 |
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| CyZooNiC | I guess | 08:05 |
| pwnguin | i mean, its like 90 percent the same damn hardware, with the same damn kinds of programs | 08:06 |
| pwnguin | its like saying bmw and subaru don't compete | 08:06 |
| CyZooNiC | mmm | 08:06 |
| pwnguin | because bmw is designed for rich people | 08:06 |
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| CyZooNiC | no, I would see it more like a subaru vs a custom car made by a large automaker | 08:07 |
| pwnguin | so which isn't mass produced, the n900 or the iphone? | 08:08 |
| CyZooNiC | n900 | 08:08 |
| pwnguin | so those koreans, they're not in factories? | 08:08 |
| CyZooNiC | :) | 08:09 |
| aspidites | i can make calls on my computer. does that make it a phone? | 08:09 |
| pwnguin | aspidites: under duck typing, yes. | 08:10 |
| pwnguin | it might not be a good one | 08:10 |
| pwnguin | not very portable | 08:10 |
| CyZooNiC | lol | 08:10 |
| aspidites | except in that case duck typing isn't practical | 08:11 |
| Arkenoi | do you guys (those who sync calendar with google via MfE) have event "description" synced properly when entered on the web? | 08:11 |
| Arkenoi | i get it blank always | 08:11 |
| CyZooNiC | mmm | 08:11 |
| Arkenoi | does nuevasync solve that? | 08:11 |
| CyZooNiC | not sure, let me check | 08:11 |
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| aspidites | is talk.maemo.org down for anyone else btw? | 08:11 |
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| pwnguin | look, if n900 was better than iphone in every way then this conversation wouldn't keep happening | 08:12 |
| CyZooNiC | Arkenoi, I get blank descriptions also | 08:12 |
| Arkenoi | :-( | 08:12 |
| aspidites | :-| no sooner than i ask does it go back up... | 08:12 |
| CyZooNiC | its not better than an iphone as a phone and easy of use | 08:12 |
| pwnguin | its not a phone, so don't expect... good phone features | 08:13 |
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| Arkenoi | people love multitouch. not because it is really more handy, just bceause they like how it feels. | 08:13 |
| CyZooNiC | but its the first truly open device from a large phone maker. | 08:13 |
| Arkenoi | CyZooNiC, well, there was freerunner, but it sucked | 08:13 |
| aspidites | i wonder if we will ever discuss something original :) | 08:13 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: multitouch is possible w/ resistive :) | 08:14 |
| CyZooNiC | what good is multitouch if you can't pinch to zoom, thanks apple | 08:14 |
| luke-jr | or at least, two-touch | 08:14 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: May I suggest a new cell phone form factor then? | 08:14 |
| luke-jr | CyZooNiC: N900 is *not* truly open | 08:14 |
| Arkenoi | actually n900 *has* good phone features. having decent voip and messaging is must for a good phone. | 08:15 |
| luke-jr | CyZooNiC: the N900's being closed is one of the major 2 reasons I haven't bought one | 08:15 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: as shown here: http://www.baronbob.com/boobcreamer.jpg | 08:15 |
| CyZooNiC | what part is not? the one where you can change your IMEI? | 08:15 |
| Arkenoi | people just still do not understand it to the full extent | 08:15 |
| luke-jr | CyZooNiC: drivers | 08:15 |
| CyZooNiC | most of those are from TI aren't they? | 08:16 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, wow, i like it, where can i buy one? | 08:16 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: No idea, you should ask Quim =) | 08:16 |
| luke-jr | CyZooNiC: N900 is the most open of current-generation handhelds, but don't get confused and think it is actually open to a useful degree :) | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | CyZooNiC: no, I'm not sure TI has any of those anymore | 08:17 |
| aspidites | "useful degree"? | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | CyZooNiC: one is Nokia, one is PowerVR | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | aspidites: being able to replace the OS with something free | 08:17 |
| RST38h | Seriously though, if 99% people are not interested in VoIP on their cell phones, it is a no go | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | aspidites: or otherwise maintain the device w/o Nokia | 08:17 |
| CyZooNiC | luke-jr, I see | 08:17 |
| aspidites | luke-jr: ah. | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | CyZooNiC: there are more than 2, but those are the ones I know for sure | 08:18 |
| RST38h | If 99% people want soft, warm, round phone with multitouch, it will sell though | 08:18 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, voip is the future. the concepts of "long distance" and "roaming" are obsolete. cellular network operators should be reduced to data pipes. | 08:18 |
| CyZooNiC | luke-jr, I still thinkg the N900 is a good move in the right direction. | 08:18 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: uhm, roaming is not obsolete in any sense... | 08:19 |
| Arkenoi | i cannot see why one wants to pay ridiculous money just because he changed location or calling someone via "long distance" | 08:19 |
| luke-jr | CyZooNiC: from the N810, definitely | 08:19 |
| CyZooNiC | yes :) | 08:19 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: "long distance" doesn't really exist for cell phones in general, regardless of VoIP | 08:19 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: The operators will disagree :) | 08:19 |
| luke-jr | at least in the USA | 08:19 |
| RST38h | And if they disagree, the public bends over. | 08:20 |
| luke-jr | unless you're dialing outside the country perhaps | 08:20 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, no one cares ;-) | 08:20 |
| RST38h | Operators do not, indeed | 08:20 |
| CyZooNiC | sorry guys, got to go, gf is getting mad. gnight | 08:20 |
| luke-jr | CyZooNiC: the OpenMoko Freerunner (last generation) was a lot more open, but had other major usability issues :( | 08:20 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: in the USA, it costs as much to call the other side of the country as it does across the street. from any cell phone. | 08:21 |
| luke-jr | and even for VoIP, termination rates vary by country | 08:21 |
| luke-jr | heck, even within countries | 08:22 |
| RST38h | You wanted to say "by county" | 08:22 |
| RST38h | Some rural spots in the US have higher termination rates than overseas | 08:22 |
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| luke-jr | RST38h: depends on where you get your minutes | 08:23 |
| Arkenoi | US termination rate is lowest in the world anyways | 08:23 |
| luke-jr | I pay a flat 1 cent per minute anywhere in the US | 08:23 |
| RST38h | luke: You always get termination from the local monopoly | 08:23 |
| RST38h | The one which owns the wires | 08:23 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: termination needs not be from the local monopoly... | 08:23 |
| luke-jr | heck, all USA termination could theoretically be from a single gateway | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | local monopoly needs to compete with their nearby peers ;) | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | oh hey, it's midnight... I can eat chicken and cookies now! | 08:25 |
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| Macer | hm | 08:28 |
| Macer | inmarsat calls are like $2-3 on skype | 08:28 |
| RST38h | pretty much the same as without skype it seems | 08:29 |
| Macer | per minute :) | 08:29 |
| Macer | wow | 08:29 |
| RST38h | yea | 08:29 |
| RST38h | You did not know? | 08:29 |
| Macer | i guess i just used to take advantage of sat comm calling on ship haha | 08:29 |
| RST38h | Macer: And the military paid inmarsat $3/minute. | 08:30 |
| Macer | i must have wasted thousands of tax payer dollars calling home when they issued me one lol | 08:30 |
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| RST38h | Exactly | 08:30 |
| Macer | lol | 08:30 |
| luke-jr | Macer: jerk | 08:30 |
| Macer | i guess that's why they try not to issue those things out :) i had an iridium phone | 08:30 |
| Macer | and would use it more than most people use cell phones here | 08:30 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 08:30 |
| * RST38h remembers using sat phone from Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky at something like $7/minute | 08:30 | |
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| RST38h | There was a live operator who asked which ship we were on =) | 08:31 |
| Macer | lol. we had to do that sometimes when we found out how to route calls through military switches | 08:31 |
| Macer | they tried to block as many automatic switches as they could | 08:31 |
| Macer | but i had a list of live switches with actual people on the other end and they really didn't ask many questions | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | FCC should tell em 20 cents/min or they can't use those radio freqs <.< | 08:32 |
| RST38h | Does not work like that =( | 08:32 |
| Macer | FCC doesn't own space | 08:32 |
| Macer | :) | 08:32 |
| RST38h | And they do have lots of capital costs | 08:32 |
| jkimball4 | when moving data from one maemo to another, what folders do i need to save when in mass storage mode? | 08:32 |
| RST38h | Macer: Oh but it does! Above US anyway. | 08:32 |
| RST38h | jkmiball4: Make a backup, move the backup file | 08:32 |
| Macer | RST38h: lol. i thought they already showed how far up airspace goes | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | Macer: FCC controls radio use from the USA | 08:33 |
| Macer | wasn't it like 100miles from land or something ? | 08:33 |
| jkimball4 | RST38h: that'll have all the pics and shit? | 08:33 |
| jkimball4 | music? | 08:33 |
| luke-jr | they could at least ban the use within USA | 08:33 |
| RST38h | jkimball4: Not sure, probably not | 08:33 |
| Macer | luke-jr: they are going to triangulate the one sat phone operating on an unregistered freq amongst billions of people? | 08:33 |
| Macer | :) good luck enforcing that one | 08:33 |
| luke-jr | Macer: not very hard | 08:33 |
| RST38h | also bad for free enteriprise, whatever it has come to mean in the US | 08:33 |
| Macer | are they going to send space men up there to shoot down the satellite? | 08:33 |
| Macer | lol | 08:34 |
| luke-jr | Macer: that would be awesome :p | 08:34 |
| luke-jr | but rather, just bomb it with a missile | 08:34 |
| Macer | it would cost them billions to take out a sat comm sat in space | 08:34 |
| * Macer pictures frequency police in space | 08:34 | |
| Macer | someone should make a movie | 08:34 |
| Macer | "Put the ham radio down and come out with your hands up!" | 08:34 |
| Macer | "Do you have a permit for those ham freqs you are sending from space??? DO YOU?!?!" | 08:35 |
| luke-jr | Macer: go make a ham sandwich | 08:35 |
| Macer | i hate ham | 08:35 |
| luke-jr | haha me too | 08:35 |
| Macer | i like bacon.. but ham is just gross | 08:35 |
| Macer | i think it has been raining for 10 days straight here | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | what really pisses me off | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | is when I order a bacon pizza | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | and they put effing HAM on it | 08:36 |
| Macer | and they put ham on it? :) | 08:36 |
| Macer | hahahahaha | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | and claim it is "Canadian bacon" | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | wtf are the Canadians smoking, I wonder?? | 08:36 |
| Macer | that's why i never order pizza with bacon | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | Macer: Domino's has it | 08:36 |
| Macer | i had that happen to me once | 08:36 |
| Macer | and i sent it back | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | hahaha | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | nice | 08:37 |
| Macer | saying "I said bacon. this is AMERICA.. BITCH!" | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | XD | 08:37 |
| Macer | it wasn't the pizza man's fault. i specifically said ACTUAL BACON | 08:37 |
| Macer | NOT HAM | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | haha | 08:37 |
| Macer | and they sent it with ham anyways :) | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | HyVee will make one with actual bacon too | 08:37 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, i cannot understand why inmarsat is still alive. outdated technology, ridiculous prices - and still many new deployments | 08:39 |
| Arkenoi | not only limited to marine use, some people (dunno why) use it in places with pretty good globalstar, iridium and even thuraya coverage | 08:39 |
| Macer | Arkenoi: because large shipping companies have CEOs that also own stock in it ;) | 08:41 |
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| Macer | so they deploy it in their fleets to pay the right hand with the left | 08:41 |
| Macer | plus. globalstar and iriduim are pretty damn expensive also hehe | 08:42 |
| Macer | yeah but i was just looking at the most expensive places to call with skype | 08:43 |
| Macer | and inmarsat was the most expensive | 08:43 |
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| Macer | ~$2-3 | 08:43 |
| Macer | i got these GE phones a while back that hook up to the switch and act as cordless phones. they are awesome. and at $3/month for unlimited US/Can calling you can't lose :) | 08:44 |
| Macer | i still don't understand why vonage is so expensive | 08:44 |
| Arkenoi | well, calling inmarsat from cellphone costs you about $10/min here ;-) | 08:44 |
| Macer | when it is basically the same thing | 08:44 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: It is not alive | 08:44 |
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| Macer | Arkenoi: it's 2-3/min using skype | 08:44 |
| Macer | heh | 08:44 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: It went titsup, then US government bought it out for military use | 08:44 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: But the company still continues as a semi-private enterprise | 08:44 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, wasn't that iridium? | 08:45 |
| RST38h | Hmm...yes, maybe that was Iridium :) | 08:45 |
| luke-jr | Macer: because Vonage competes with POTS companies unfairly | 08:45 |
| Macer | luke-jr: so does skype | 08:45 |
| Arkenoi | inmarsat feels pretty good | 08:45 |
| Macer | :) | 08:45 |
| Macer | and it's basically the same thing | 08:45 |
| luke-jr | Macer: yes, Skype is even worse | 08:45 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Inmarsat seems to do a lot of maritime stuff | 08:45 |
| Macer | it's not unfairly | 08:45 |
| Macer | they have a better infrastructure | 08:45 |
| Arkenoi | as they have geostationary satellites which have quite long lifetime | 08:46 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Maybe that is the niche that sustains them | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | nope | 08:46 |
| Macer | not their fault the older companies have 10billion miles of copper | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | Skype is basically a worm | 08:46 |
| Macer | a worm? :) | 08:46 |
| RST38h | a trojan, you wanted to say? | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: perhaps that would better fit | 08:46 |
| Macer | is this #hackers ? | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | Macer: Skype hijacks *your* bandwidth for someone else's traffic | 08:46 |
| Macer | luke-jr: uhm. i monitor my pkts and haven't really seen too much as far as rerouting traffic for skype to unknown sources :) | 08:47 |
| Arkenoi | no one cares about big bucks invested in zillion miles of copper or just into vapour of "cellular brands". that's their own fault for sure. | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | Vonage even still has you paying a share for the infrastructure to connect to them | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | POTS companies actually pay for real infrastructure | 08:47 |
| Arkenoi | luke-jr, that's why i do not use skype and stay with sip | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | so it's included in their prices | 08:47 |
| Macer | luke-jr: which is unnecessary now | 08:48 |
| luke-jr | Vonage wants to charge the same prices but provide you with less | 08:48 |
| Macer | the only infrastructure needed is a pipeline | 08:48 |
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| Macer | luke-jr: define less | 08:48 |
| Macer | heh | 08:48 |
| luke-jr | Macer: Vonage does not provide the pipe | 08:48 |
| Macer | they get the job done . and the service requested | 08:48 |
| Arkenoi | luke-jr, they sell data pipes and get paid for data pipes. no one cares they expected to make money from "long distance" forever. | 08:48 |
| Macer | nor does skype | 08:48 |
| luke-jr | Macer: if you want to compare prices with POTS, you need to compare Vonage + DSL/Cable, not just Vonage | 08:48 |
| Macer | and since they don't provide the pipe.. why do they charge just as much as someone who does? | 08:48 |
| Macer | luke-jr: i agree | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | Macer: they charge as much because they compete unfairly | 08:49 |
| Macer | and right now with my skype line i am playing cable + $3/month | 08:49 |
| Macer | :) | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | they are abusing the average idiot who doesn't know better | 08:49 |
| Macer | playing / paying | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | Macer: with Google Voice, I am paying Cable + $0/mo ;) | 08:49 |
| Macer | i don't trust google voice | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | me either, it's crap | 08:49 |
| Macer | pretty soon you will make a call and will have to hear an ad | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | it's 50/50 if I actually get calls | 08:49 |
| Macer | before the call is connected | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | but I can live with that for now | 08:50 |
| Macer | it's just a matter of time. they are just building their base up first | 08:50 |
| Macer | sooner or later then.. they are going to charge for it.. then raise prices. or force you to listen to 10 ads before being able to have your call go through | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | Macer: thankfully, you can always port your number somewhere else | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | and Google of course would need to give prior notice before such a change | 08:50 |
| Macer | after that it's too late. your number is probably streamlined to a billion places :) | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | so the day they announce such a plan, I can port to some affordable alternative | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | Macer: they can't hijack numbers like that :) | 08:51 |
| Macer | just like when they ask you for your email address at a retail outlet | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | number portability is actually a law | 08:51 |
| Macer | i remember a cashier asked for my email address and i was like | 08:51 |
| Macer | "So you can spam me?" | 08:51 |
| Macer | "No .. we don't do that." | 08:52 |
| Macer | "I don't have an email address." | 08:52 |
| Macer | hahahah | 08:52 |
| Macer | "I'm amish" | 08:52 |
| Macer | i just refused to give it to her. that shit pisses me off. there has to be a better way to market than to email people who shop for you .. which in turn just pisses them off | 08:52 |
| Macer | shop from you i should say | 08:53 |
| Macer | zimbra needs jabber conferencing in the web ui | 08:54 |
| Macer | and persistant conferences in the admin ui | 08:54 |
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| wazd | mornin' everybody | 09:23 |
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| fdv | morning. When editing the phone numbers for contacts on the n900, the dual keys for letters and numbers only work in 'number mode'. is this a property of some hildon entry widget or is it specially tailored for the contacts app? | 09:55 |
| Macer | i tell you one of the funniest west wings was the damn one where they miss the presidential motorcasde and are stuck hitch hiking across the US to get from indiana to DC | 09:56 |
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| Arkenoi | svu | 11:21 |
| Vengeful | hi guys | 11:22 |
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| Vengeful | i really need to ask something about n900, can i? :| | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | that'll be 5 USD for askin | 11:22 |
| Vengeful | geez, we are under holidays :D | 11:22 |
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| Vengeful | and btw merry christmas to all | 11:23 |
| RST38h | Holidays are charged at $10. | 11:23 |
| Vengeful | just received my n900 | 11:23 |
| RST38h | Go ahead. | 11:23 |
| Vengeful | but it keeps locking and restarting | 11:23 |
| Vengeful | every now and then | 11:23 |
| Vengeful | just playing it around a litlle | 11:23 |
| Vengeful | and got 5 locks and restarts | 11:24 |
| Vengeful | is that normal? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | get it replaced or look at bugs.maemo.org for temp solution | 11:24 |
| swc|666 | how do i get past this in the SDK? http://pastie.org/756274 | 11:24 |
| Vengeful | so it's broken, or can be reflashed? | 11:24 |
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| Stskeeps | Vengeful: sec | 11:29 |
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| Vengeful | i did download all the necessary to reflash, because that can't get it any worse :( | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | Vengeful: if you have a shot at getting a replacement, i would take it | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | let me drag out the bug repboport for you | 11:34 |
| Vengeful | well i got it directly from nokia center here in italy | 11:35 |
| Vengeful | i preordered it | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 | 11:35 |
| povbot | Bug 6334: random HW watchdog reboots (/proc/bootreason contains "32wd_to") | 11:35 |
| Vengeful | i can ask them to replace | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | test if the off mode stuff helps you | 11:35 |
| Vengeful | i would like to try but | 11:40 |
| Vengeful | i'm no linux everyday user how unfortunate... | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | then act as a customer and state your device is rebooting a lot, and return it | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | that should get the device in the right hands | 11:41 |
| Vengeful | reflashing it will void it's warranty? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | nah, it's pretty standard behaviour | 11:41 |
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| Vengeful | so that'll be my first try i think | 11:42 |
| luke-jr | lol | 11:42 |
| Vengeful | i'm not so lolled about : | 11:43 |
| Vengeful | :° | 11:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Vengeful: it's the same procedure nokia software update does so | 11:44 |
| Vengeful | so if something goes wrong i can say that it was nokia SU !! | 11:45 |
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| odinm | ho ho ho merry christmas | 12:37 |
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| Stskeeps | best way to spend your christmas: building a os2007 kernel for n800 | 12:42 |
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| frals | id say playing with wappushd is a better way! | 13:07 |
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| BluesLee | with whom i talked the last time about evopedia (an offline wikipedia reader)? | 13:08 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 13:17 |
| LuciusMare | i cant connect to my wifi with my n900,it always fails. | 13:17 |
| LuciusMare | i can connect to it with other devices | 13:17 |
| Vengeful | u're lucky | 13:18 |
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| Vengeful | mine is keeping rebooting, | 13:18 |
| Vengeful | starting nokia software update, and stucked with a white nokia screen :D | 13:18 |
| Wolfie | Vengeful: thought of returning on warranty? | 13:18 |
| LuciusMare | that is called a "brick" | 13:18 |
| F_ | hello I've got a problem it seems like I can't flash my n900 | 13:18 |
| Vengeful | because i bought full price on the official local nokia store? yes :D | 13:19 |
| Vengeful | but i can still reflash it right? | 13:19 |
| F_ | i have installed the flasher 3.5 | 13:19 |
| Vengeful | so i'm installing xp on a second machine... | 13:19 |
| Vengeful | F_ i'm trying that too because nokia SU got stuck | 13:19 |
| LuciusMare | omg | 13:20 |
| LuciusMare | i set my wifi to "no encryption" | 13:20 |
| LuciusMare | still fails | 13:20 |
| LuciusMare | how can i troubleshoot it? | 13:20 |
| F_ | and use this command: flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 13:20 |
| ifreq | LuciusMare: sure you dont have any MAC access list on wifi ap | 13:20 |
| Vengeful | i'm trying it from vmware XD | 13:20 |
| F_ | but when I connect the devise to the pc and keep u pressed nothing happens | 13:21 |
| LuciusMare | ... | 13:21 |
| LuciusMare | ifreq: kill me | 13:21 |
| F_ | and I can not start the n900 by pressing the powerbutton | 13:21 |
| LuciusMare | where can i get MAC adress of my n900? | 13:21 |
| F_ | just bei insterting the charger oder usb cable | 13:21 |
| F_ | could someone maybe help me with this problem? | 13:22 |
| Vengeful | oh well stores are closed now, so i'll try to reflash installing a little xp on a partition | 13:22 |
| Vengeful | too bad for a top device like this | 13:22 |
| ifreq | LuciusMare: open xterm --> gainroot --> ifconfig -a | 13:23 |
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| LuciusMare | wow, i need root to run ifconfig? :o | 13:24 |
| ifreq | thats very normal | 13:24 |
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| ifreq | no normal user should need of nic interface info | 13:24 |
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| LuciusMare | *sigh* | 13:26 |
| LuciusMare | after hiding SSID,fails again | 13:26 |
| LuciusMare | omg | 13:27 |
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| LuciusMare | just after unchecking the hide ssid box | 13:27 |
| LuciusMare | it connected well | 13:27 |
| LuciusMare | ... | 13:27 |
| BluesLee | is a maemo mapper user here? | 13:27 |
| TomaszD | good day #maemo | 13:27 |
| LuciusMare | TomaszD: hi | 13:28 |
| Hukka | Is there a reasonable way to compress video before sharing it from fremantle? | 13:28 |
| BluesLee | i cant read the text in maps/manage sources | 13:28 |
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| odinm | wireless access has ben good for me so far with n900 | 13:33 |
| BluesLee | rendering in maemo mapper doesnt seem to be shape enough for me, i guess i can configure this somewhere? | 13:33 |
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| rmrfchik | is there any accountion application for maemo5? | 13:43 |
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| * RST38h moos evilly | 13:51 | |
| derf | Moo RST38h. | 13:52 |
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| RST38h | derf: heya! know by any chance how long it takes for a package between promotion to extras and showing up in Downloads? | 13:54 |
| RST38h | 'cause it looks like this pipeline is stuck again | 13:54 |
| derf | RST38h: No idea. I've never made it that far. | 13:54 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, moo | 13:55 |
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| RST38h | derf: eh. | 13:58 |
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| derf | Given their previous track-record, I'd assume it'll be stuck until after New Year's. | 13:59 |
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| rmrfchik | no one knows personal accounting app for maemo5? | 14:04 |
| wazd_n800 | what's accounting?) | 14:04 |
| thresh | счета вести, очевидно | 14:05 |
| thresh | sorry for russian ;) | 14:05 |
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| wazd | thresh: oh, I've been thinking bout some other accounting :D | 14:07 |
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| RST38h | UTF-8. Yuck. | 14:08 |
| mikhas | rmrfchik, you could try to create a db template for/with glom (glom.org) | 14:09 |
| rmrfchik | wazd: personal finance | 14:10 |
| rmrfchik | thresh: bingo | 14:11 |
| rmrfchik | a-la gnucash may be | 14:11 |
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| * RST38h seems t remember some finance program since Diablo times | 14:25 | |
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| rmrfchik | i found grisbi for os2006... quiet old | 14:30 |
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| rmrfchik | quite | 14:30 |
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| LuciusMare | wee | 14:52 |
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| frals | wazd: http://irc.frals.se/maemo/xchat.png | 14:55 |
| wazd | frals: thx a lot | 14:55 |
| frals | np | 14:56 |
| * Arkenoi just connected mrpo120 to n900. omfg, it works 8-) | 14:56 | |
| Shadikka | connected a what to n900? | 14:57 |
| thresh | Arkenoi: wtf? | 14:57 |
| inz | Likely mpro120 | 14:58 |
| inz | By 3m | 14:58 |
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| Arkenoi | yep | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | hi inz | 15:03 |
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| inz | timeless, 'lo | 15:04 |
| * timeless_mbp is in London | 15:05 | |
| inz | Having a merry christmas? | 15:05 |
| timeless_mbp | not being a christian, i'm doing work :) | 15:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | i pushed someone else's fix for mozilla1.9.2 | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | and i updated my l10n package for n900 1.1 | 15:06 |
| inz | Well, everyone does as they see best. | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | a woman assaulted the pope? | 15:07 |
| inz | What? | 15:07 |
| Shadikka | Yeah | 15:07 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 15:07 | |
| Shadikka | My friend was there :P | 15:07 |
| thresh | she tried to hug him | 15:07 |
| timeless_mbp | would someone please shoot someone @nokia for me? | 15:07 |
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| Vengeful | hi guys | 15:09 |
| Vengeful | it seems i can't reflash my n900 because it's bricked, and xp doesn't recognize its update mode | 15:09 |
| Vengeful | any help? :| | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/w7/nokia%20map%20language%20selection.png | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | Vengeful: using flasher3.5 or ? | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | inz/wazd: what's a destination langauge? | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | s/aug/uag/ | 15:11 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: inz/wazd: what's a destination language? | 15:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | cute the next screen uses a substandard width font | 15:11 |
| inz | timeless, of course the language of the place you want to go to!-) | 15:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh right! | 15:13 |
| inz | timeless, then you can have the language problems before even arriving! | 15:13 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/w7/nokia%20map%20destination%20folder.png | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | check out the heading there | 15:14 |
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| felipec | timeless_mbp: I gave up trying to figure out Nokia's understanding of internationalization when I found Suomi (Suomi) is a location, and so is Español (América Latina) | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: got a new marina template yet? | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | felipec: yeah well | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | they're priorities | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | "We must support these localizations!" | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | "We must not translate them" | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | "We must use them everywhere" | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | "Translations are regional, so they must be regions, right?" | 15:17 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, sort of :) | 15:17 |
| felipec | timeless_mbp: yeap, and of course everyone is living on the country they grew up in | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | felipec: like me | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean, here i am in London, which must be the country I grew up in | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | oh wait. is London not part of the greater U S of A? | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | and where I am, Finland, that last bastion of communism, that's part of the U S A too, right? they speak broken English there, so it must be.... | 15:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | s/am/live/ | 15:20 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: and where I live, Finland, that last bastion of communism, that's part of the U S A too, right? they speak broken English there, so it must be.... | 15:20 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 15:20 | |
| * timeless_mbp needs to go outside and enjoy the Sun | 15:20 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's a rare treat for me... | 15:20 |
| derf | You must be in a different London than the one I know. | 15:20 |
| rmrfchik | i wonder will n900 run upcoming maemo6? | 15:20 |
| timeless_mbp | oh clever | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | derf: if you're nearby... | 15:21 |
| felipec | London Minnesota :) | 15:21 |
| derf | felipec: Haha. | 15:21 |
| derf | That one might not be covered in fog. | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | wazd, will be glad to to have a copy :P | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | of the template | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly, there's actually a second London in the n900 Clock | 15:21 |
| derf | timeless_mbp: No, I _am_ in the U S A. | 15:22 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 15:22 |
| jreznik | rmrfchik: I hope so, I'm trying to get into maemo development and gtk world is really strange one... I can understand embedded developers using C but... (no flame pls :D) | 15:22 |
| timeless_mbp | jreznik: learning gtk now to work on maemo makes very little sense | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | not flaming, just friendly advice | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | jreznik: qt might be a better choice | 15:24 |
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| mikhas | erm ... only if you think there will be no GTK+ for maemo6 ... | 15:24 |
| jreznik | qt is not very well integrated yet :( | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | mikhas: what part of nokia's roadmap for maemo wouldn't have given you that idea? | 15:25 |
| felipec | if I'm traveling in Russia I don't think I would be able to select the right region (Россия), and then, I doubt they would be able to figure the timezone with that :p | 15:25 |
| jreznik | gtk & c is strange combination, I'm using usually PyGtk - then it's usable | 15:26 |
| mikhas | huh? since when does need nokia's help to run a community port? | 15:26 |
| timeless_mbp | felipec: you're asked to pick a timezone | 15:26 |
| mikhas | jreznik, good choice | 15:26 |
| timeless_mbp | mikhas: inclusion in the box.. | 15:26 |
| felipec | timeless_mbp: ah, right, after selecting the region | 15:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | felipec: only problem is if you like region=USA and are living in the Old World and thus need a timezone that isn't covered. | 15:29 |
| * timeless_mbp watches windows boot again | 15:29 | |
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| jreznik | mikhas: I still prefer Qt but first I'd like to get into "native" Maemo development before porting Makneto (our KDE whiteboarding app) to pure Qt & Maemo | 15:29 |
| * timeless_mbp is going to try the new Ovi Map Loader w/ an n900 | 15:29 | |
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| timeless_mbp | jreznik: that's a huge waste of effort | 15:29 |
| mikhas | pyqt then =) | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | in firtst boot wizard? | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | also, be more specific | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | .... | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, lag | 15:30 |
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| felipec | timeless_mbp: lol, The Old Wolrd... it has been a while since I've heard that phrase :) | 15:30 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't get newer :) | 15:31 |
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| jreznik | timeless_mbp: but nice way how to get used to the new platform ;-) (and it's saying former OM FreeRunned user/developer :D) | 15:32 |
| mikhas | jreznik, what happens if you just compile makneto? some first screenshots? | 15:32 |
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| jreznik | mikhas: first I have to get rid of KDE extensions but it should be relatively easy | 15:33 |
| mikhas | yeah, start with that | 15:34 |
| mikhas | I've just watched your screencast | 15:34 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 15:34 | |
| timeless_mbp | the ovi maps loader installer installed an uninstaller to my w7 start menu | 15:34 |
| timeless_mbp | are the guys working on that app really that clueless? | 15:34 |
| mikhas | it doesnt look as if you need to rewrite complex UI widgets? | 15:34 |
| mikhas | so perhaps the current level of integration of either qt 4.5 or 4.6 is sufficient? | 15:35 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 15:35 |
| LuciusMare | where can i find nintendo (GBA,SNES) emulator for maemo? | 15:35 |
| jreznik | mikhas: the whole thing needs rewrite - we haven't touch it for ages but as prototype it was nice but now I see more wide usage - with touchscreen phones etc., so we'd like to start again... but for testing purposes - no big rewrites are needed | 15:36 |
| mikhas | ah, I see | 15:37 |
| ifreq | lucius try google. itd not legally colmpliant so its not in repos | 15:37 |
| mikhas | ugh, polish commit comments? =p | 15:37 |
| ifreq | but .deb exists | 15:37 |
| LuciusMare | ifreq: and what about the optify? | 15:37 |
| ifreq | dunno bout optify | 15:37 |
| LuciusMare | meh | 15:38 |
| LuciusMare | so another question. | 15:38 |
| LuciusMare | how can i optify apps? | 15:39 |
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| n900evil | it's like how you shot web. | 15:40 |
| lcuk | LuciusMare, http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify/blobs/master/README heppy christmas | 15:40 |
| oscillik | n900evil: hah | 15:41 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 15:41 |
| LuciusMare | so its not *that* hard? | 15:41 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: sure :) | 15:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh brother. | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | the nokia map downloader app will kill itself if the network goes away | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | that's really mobile friendly | 15:45 |
| LuciusMare | wait a minute | 15:45 |
| LuciusMare | why is it illegal? | 15:45 |
| LuciusMare | as long as it does not come with ROMs,i guess its legal... | 15:46 |
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| ifreq | it isnt | 15:46 |
| ifreq | nintendo didnt like it | 15:46 |
| LuciusMare | android has a lot of emulators *in repos* | 15:47 |
| ifreq | you can read all abt it from google | 15:47 |
| ifreq | snes/gba emu too? | 15:47 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 15:48 |
| LuciusMare | i dont want to mess my phone | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/w7/map%20loader%20maps%20never%20used%20eh.png | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i've never used ovi maps on my n900? | 15:48 |
| wazd | W7 reminds me maemo this way :) | 15:49 |
| squidd | ifreq: more like nintendo didnt like nokia showing some games in some vids | 15:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | wazd: you're saying the nokians who wrote this awful ui remind you of the ones who brought you maemo? | 15:50 |
| ifreq | squidd anyways it wa removed from repos because of that | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i think the maemo nokians should feel insulted | 15:50 |
| LuciusMare | squidd: and as i read about the case, they only didnt like that nokia said that the emulators need spearate ROMS | 15:50 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: nono, windows 7 UI | 15:50 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: with taskbar on the left | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: taskbar defaults to bottom, not left | 15:51 |
| squidd | ifreq: yes, nokia did that cos they paniced :D | 15:51 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, maemo3/4 reminded me of windows :) | 15:51 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, w7 is searching for drivers for my n81 8gb from windows update | 15:52 |
| squidd | LuciusMare: yes, cos apparently ROM's are in 99% of cases illegally downloaded | 15:52 |
| LuciusMare | squidd: yes | 15:52 |
| LuciusMare | squidd: lets be the one percent! | 15:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare: i'd bet 1% is overstating it | 15:52 |
| squidd | i tried some snes games, wasnt so impressed :P | 15:52 |
| Vengeful | timeless_mbp | 15:53 |
| Vengeful | it seems that i flashed wrong file | 15:53 |
| timeless_mbp | Vengeful: how'd you manage that? | 15:53 |
| Vengeful | "was trying to flash" | 15:53 |
| ifreq | cool | 15:53 |
| Vengeful | well i flashed the second one | 15:53 |
| Vengeful | directly | 15:53 |
| Vengeful | and it come alive | 15:53 |
| Vengeful | and it seems that is not random rebooting too | 15:53 |
| swc|666 | finally got a fully working iptables 0.0 | 15:54 |
| Vengeful | yesterday was like 4 times in 5 minutes | 15:54 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders why people are randomly flashing stuff anyway | 15:54 | |
| Vengeful | i was flashing | 15:54 |
| Vengeful | because of the random reboots | 15:54 |
| Vengeful | i would have take it to the service center where i bought | 15:54 |
| Vengeful | so i tried here... | 15:55 |
| derf | Random reboots are normal. | 15:55 |
| Vengeful | yes sure | 15:55 |
| squidd | LuciusMare: basicly the question is: is it legal to download a rom if you own the game already | 15:55 |
| Vengeful | it's not as mature as it should be | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | w7 driver installation is funny | 15:55 |
| Vengeful | but not 4 times in a row | 15:55 |
| Vengeful | in 5 minutes of just wandering in the options | 15:55 |
| derf | It's an effort to make it feel more like Windows. | 15:55 |
| Vengeful | lol | 15:55 |
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| Vengeful | my win never crash tho :| | 15:55 |
| derf | But seriously, the watchdog timer is pretty easy to trigger. | 15:55 |
| Vengeful | but i'm no linux everyday user | 15:56 |
| gabba_gandalf | hey all. i'm going to buy me a new mobile telephone. watchin the n900 at the moment. can you recommend me some alternatives to this? | 15:56 |
| Vengeful | so it's all difficult for me, even if i'm a power user | 15:56 |
| squidd | gabba_gandalf: pretty much depends what you need | 15:57 |
| gabba_gandalf | i heared something about a mid from gigabyte, but i cant find it where to buy | 15:57 |
| lcuk | gabba_gandalf, learn to engadget | 15:58 |
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| gabba_gandalf | squidd: want moblin, browsing internet, can be a little bit bigger but should fit in my pants bags | 15:58 |
| squidd | gabba_gandalf: n900 is pretty nice for browsing and stuff | 15:59 |
| gabba_gandalf | lcuk: sry, my english is bad ^^ what do you mean? | 15:59 |
| gabba_gandalf | squidd: yeah, but i heared the touchscreen is not very good, is there an alternative? i mean there isn't smth else atm | 16:00 |
| Vengeful | that is the best MID to go in internet | 16:00 |
| gabba_gandalf | Vengeful: the n900 ord that from gigabyte? | 16:00 |
| squidd | gabba_gandalf: i dunno who is saying that touchscreen isnt good. i think its very good | 16:00 |
| Vengeful | n900 | 16:00 |
| gabba_gandalf | squidd: kk, than i'll belive you :) | 16:00 |
| gabba_gandalf | Vengeful: kk, then i'll buy this one i think. is moblin runnign stable on it? a friend said that it hangs sometimes and crashes | 16:01 |
| * timeless_mbp eyes gabba_gandalf | 16:03 | |
| gabba_gandalf | GIGABYTE’s M528 is interesting, but i can't find it to buy | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | you're very confusing | 16:03 |
| swc|666 | uh, could someone tell me if there is anything in their /usr/local/libexec/ folder on their n900 ?? i accidentally overwrote mine :| | 16:03 |
| gabba_gandalf | timeless_mbp: why? ^^ | 16:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | why are you confusing? dunno, perhaps it takes talent and you have it? | 16:03 |
| gabba_gandalf | timeless_mbp: oO | 16:04 |
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| gabba_gandalf | timeless_mbp: sry, maybe its my bad english | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | maybe. hard to tell, that certainly doesn't help matters | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | are you interested in an n900 or another product that runs Maemo? | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | there are a couple | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly speaking, things which aren't running Maemo are offtopic here | 16:05 |
| gabba_gandalf | timeless_mbp: yes, i know, thats because i'm in this channel :D | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | the n800, n810, and n900 run Maemo | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | they do not out of the box run moblin | 16:05 |
| gabba_gandalf | timeless_mbp: the n900 is the best to get at the moment i think | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | nor would discussing their ability to do so be on topic here | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly speaking Moblin would be a competitor to Maemo | 16:06 |
| gabba_gandalf | timeless_mbp: n900 doesn't run maemo out of the box? | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | if it weren't dead or forgotten | 16:06 |
| oscillik | timeless_mbp: that said, this is IRC - not the third reich | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | oscillik: and gabba_gandalf is confused | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | so it's worth a bit of education | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | gabba_gandalf: Maemo != Moblin | 16:06 |
| gabba_gandalf | timeless_mbp: ahhhhh sry, i think i have a mistake with moblin and maemo... | 16:07 |
| gabba_gandalf | timeless_mbp: give me a moment | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | MSDOS != DRDOS | 16:07 |
| oscillik | hehe! | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | they both were 'disk operating systems' | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | but they were ostensibly competitors | 16:07 |
| gabba_gandalf | yeah, i'm confusing, you are right ^^ give me a moment to think about it | 16:07 |
| swc|666 | PLEASE.. someone with an n900, tell me if their /usr/local/libexec/ is empty or not | 16:08 |
| oscillik | on a side note, i'd just like to say that Maemo beats Android for my personal requirements....except i do miss Google Maps | 16:08 |
| gabba_gandalf | ok, forget moblin, i mean maemo | 16:08 |
| gabba_gandalf | but i'll go to buy the n900 i think | 16:08 |
| oscillik | swc|666: checking now | 16:08 |
| swc|666 | oscillik, thx | 16:08 |
| frals | swc|666: dont have that dir ;+ | 16:09 |
| swc|666 | phew | 16:09 |
| oscillik | yeah same here | 16:09 |
| oscillik | don't have that directory | 16:09 |
| swc|666 | awesome! thx guys | 16:09 |
| gabba_gandalf | cYa @ all, thanks for the infos | 16:10 |
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| frals | np | 16:10 |
| * oscillik <3 his N900, especially now the Nokia Messaging seems to be working okay | 16:10 | |
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| * Arkenoi found that using the same google account for email push via NM and for calendar sync via MfE -> trouble, failed outgoing emails | 16:17 | |
| oscillik | i found that having over 100 emails in my inbox was causing NM to choke. this is VERY BAD, this shouldn't happen. i hope Nokia fix this soon | 16:18 |
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| * Arkenoi thinks i'd prefer just working sync with google without using nm | 16:19 | |
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| oscillik | Arkenoi: that is why we need to vote on the bug report for IMAP_IDLE | 16:19 |
| oscillik | i have already done so, i suggest you do the same :) | 16:20 |
| * Arkenoi already voted ;-) | 16:20 | |
| oscillik | aha | 16:20 |
| oscillik | good man/woman/carbon based lifeform | 16:20 |
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| CZi | hello | 16:35 |
| CZi | and good morning for some | 16:35 |
| b-man17 | happy holidays :) | 16:37 |
| CZi | thanks | 16:38 |
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| CZi | and to you too | 16:38 |
| cehteh | anyone working on a sftp or ftp thing for the share api? .. let one easily push things to his own server | 16:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | cehteh: i tried to get someone to do scp | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | or was that you? | 16:42 |
| cehteh | nope | 16:42 |
| cehteh | scp would be nice too | 16:43 |
| cehteh | hehe and i just try to share a photo to ovi .. doesnt seen to work yet? | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | offhand, i thought it did | 16:44 |
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| cehteh | 13kb .. takes ages now .. | 16:45 |
| oscillik | hmmm i wonder if there's a port of FLAC to maemo | 16:47 |
| oscillik | and i wonder how the N900 would handle converting it | 16:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | mercurial-sprint@selenic.com ? | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | eep | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-flac/ | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | (please pretend you didn't see that address) | 16:48 |
| CZi | anyone know how to reinstall the "calender" app if removed | 16:48 |
| timeless_mbp | how did you 'remove' it? | 16:48 |
| timeless_mbp | there's no ui to do such a silly thing | 16:48 |
| oscillik | timeless_mbp: is that the commandline encoder/decoder though? | 16:48 |
| timeless_mbp | that's kinda like asking "how can i reinsert my barbie doll's head" | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | oscillik: *shrug* | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | that's "google" | 16:49 |
| oscillik | i really want to get rid of the games on my N900 :( | 16:49 |
| oscillik | thanks timeless_mbp, i'll give it a try :) | 16:49 |
| oscillik | might just try 'apt-get install flac' | 16:49 |
| oscillik | :p | 16:49 |
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| CZi | apt-get remove calender | 16:49 |
| oscillik | try apt-get install calendar? | 16:49 |
| CZi | tried | 16:50 |
| oscillik | ahhh | 16:50 |
| oscillik | erm | 16:50 |
| oscillik | reflash | 16:50 |
| * oscillik thumbs up | 16:50 | |
| cehteh | doesnt mplayer do flac? | 16:50 |
| CZi | "no such app" | 16:50 |
| CZi | reflash is not nice | 16:50 |
| oscillik | cehteh: i don't just want to play the FLACs, i want to be able to encode WAVs on my N900 as FLAC using the commandline | 16:51 |
| cehteh | mencoder :P | 16:51 |
| CZi | calender should be an app like all others, remove/install as needed? | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | CZi: removing barbie's head isn't nice either | 16:51 |
| CZi | hehe | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it hurts her when you do that | 16:51 |
| oscillik | CZi: it's not nice, no. but i've already reflashed 4 times since i bought my handset last saturday | 16:51 |
| ShadowJK | oscillik, ogg-support from extras makes the media player able to play flac files | 16:51 |
| tg | hoi | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | CZi: calendar isn't an app like that | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | if it was, it'd be viewable in add/remove | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | (if you install my strings, you'll see add/remove) | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't | 16:51 |
| CZi | it is not possible to get DEB package | 16:51 |
| ShadowJK | oh, you want the 'flac' command | 16:51 |
| oscillik | ShadowJK: as stated, i do not wish to merely play FLAC files, i wish to be able to encode a WAV file to a FLAC | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | it's roughly like deleting 'explorer.exe' | 16:52 |
| oscillik | yes yes :) | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | CZi: as an end user? correct, it isn't possible | 16:52 |
| oscillik | just wondering how it'd handle it | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | there are no published debs for things which aren't updated and aren't optional | 16:52 |
| CZi | :( | 16:52 |
| oscillik | CZi: just reflash - it's not that hard, and you can backup your data | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | CZi: stop biting Barbie's head off | 16:53 |
| cehteh | mhm missing search apps .. emails, contacts or globally ... | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | that's not really covered under your average service contract | 16:53 |
| CZi | hmm | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | cehteh: yep, yep, yep | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | CZi: if you really want to do it | 16:53 |
| oscillik | timeless_mbp: i'm sure there is a beheading clause | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | next time, use a script that rebuilds debs of the system packages before you remove them | 16:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | oscillik: in Barbie's sale papers? | 16:54 |
| cehteh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=428134 .. and multiple apn's | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i think she comes w/o warrantees | 16:54 |
| cehteh | i hope the next firmware will be a big update | 16:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | cehteh: it isn't | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | assuming you mean 1.1 | 16:55 |
| cehteh | oscillik: flac encoding should be hacked into the 'recorder' app :) | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | which people can ask for now to do early testing | 16:56 |
| oscillik | cehteh: hmmm now THAT would be interesting | 16:56 |
| oscillik | i currently use a Hi-MD recorder to record PCM files, but having the ability to record FLAC audio on my N900 would certainly be useful | 16:56 |
| cehteh | timeless: whoever you asked to do a scp share things .. was he interested? | 16:57 |
| oscillik | althought with the fidelity of the built in mic, it'd be questionable really to use FLAC | 16:57 |
| timeless_mbp | cehteh: it's in the logs, he seemed like he might think about it | 16:57 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'd encourage you to nibble | 16:57 |
| timeless_mbp | first come first service | 16:57 |
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| cehteh | oscillik: sure yes, but you dont want to destroy bad recording by lossy compression further and you can plug in a better mic, while i donno how well the preamp and adc is | 16:58 |
| cehteh | currently it only stores in pcm .. that sux .. should be at least use the dsp to store in one of the cell-phone codecs | 16:59 |
| timeless_mbp | CZi: if you insist on breaking stuff | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/ | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | the do-all-pkgs.sh script and its relatives might work | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | no promises | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think i grab everything, but it's a start | 17:01 |
| oscillik | cehteh: erm, how does PCM suck? PCM is the equivilent of WAV | 17:01 |
| oscillik | unless it's using some strange sampling rate | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | since wave is just a container | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | which typically holds some pcm.. | 17:02 |
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| cehteh | oscillik: space wise .. if you only want to record some speech for transcription you dont need exellent quality but you want to conserve space | 17:03 |
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| cehteh | uses 32khz as far as i seen | 17:03 |
| cehteh | hey its a cell phone :) | 17:03 |
| oscillik | ahh yes that is a weird sampling rate to use | 17:03 |
| SplasPood | anyone know the status of libc6-dev? | 17:03 |
| oscillik | should be 16bit/44.1KHz | 17:03 |
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| * oscillik just pondered the awesomeness of being able to record 24bit/96KHz audio with the N900 | 17:04 | |
| cehteh | err 22khz | 17:04 |
| oscillik | ahh yes, 22KHz is even worse! | 17:04 |
| cehteh | its common in telephony | 17:04 |
| cehteh | dunno what the device supports | 17:05 |
| oscillik | indeed | 17:05 |
| oscillik | the device certainly supports playback at 44.1KHz | 17:05 |
| cehteh | even 48khz | 17:05 |
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| cehteh | (or does it resample those?) | 17:05 |
| oscillik | hmmm not sure | 17:05 |
| oscillik | i did throw a 48KHz WAV file at it earlier and it played it with aplomb | 17:06 |
| oscillik | no idea if it resampled though | 17:06 |
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| cehteh | the internal mediaserver uses the dsp .. not easy to figure out whats going on there | 17:07 |
| oscillik | does anyone know if there is a spec sheet for the DSP? i would imagine it'd be capable of doing ADC at 44.1KHz | 17:07 |
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| cehteh | uhm is it possible to restart the mediaserver? mine seems to be out for lunch | 17:08 |
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| cehteh | time for reboot .. grr | 17:10 |
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| felipec | cehteh: by media server you mean the deamon? if it's the DSP stuff: dsp stop && dsp start | 17:15 |
| cehteh | ah thanks .. but i rebooted now | 17:16 |
| timeless_mbp | SplasPood: the status of libc6-dev? | 17:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | -dev stuff should typically be in the sdk repo | 17:17 |
| timeless_mbp | and you should typically use that from a scratchbox/sdk | 17:18 |
| SplasPood | typically, I suppose this is true ;) | 17:19 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 17:19 |
| LuciusMare | n900's got a LED for taking photos,is there an app to light it up as a flashlight? | 17:20 |
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| zash | LuciusMare: there were talks about that yesterday | 17:21 |
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| LuciusMare | zash: and? | 17:22 |
| zash | LuciusMare: /lastlog says flashlight and liqtorch | 17:23 |
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| cehteh | someone wants to make an app to configure the notification light colors? | 17:24 |
| timeless_mbp | cehteh: heh | 17:25 |
| LuciusMare | liqtorch just makes the display white | 17:25 |
| cehteh | LuciusMare: Flashlight works | 17:25 |
| zash | http://maemo.org/packages/view/flashlight-applet/ | 17:26 |
| zash | Allows you to use flash LEDs as a flashlight. | 17:26 |
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| LuciusMare | oh | 17:26 |
| LuciusMare | is it in extras? | 17:26 |
| cehteh | timeless_mbp: would be useful and not too complicated | 17:26 |
| timeless_mbp | oh not too complicated i'll buy | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | useful i question | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | have you seen tweakr? | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i claim that your thing belongs there | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | so... either ask that guy to do it, or offer him the code | 17:27 |
| cehteh | is the mce free or closed? | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | he's alive and responsive | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | mce.ini is human readable | 17:27 |
| cehteh | yes .. but i meant the daemon code | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | but the code is closed, it's also irrelevant :) | 17:28 |
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| cehteh | control notification light based on ambient light sensor for example :) | 17:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | and the guys who touch/read it are fairly willing to augment any missing documentation about things like mce.ini | 17:28 |
| cehteh | timeless: no its not irrelevant | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | oh yuck | 17:28 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: it is on Christmas | 17:29 |
| luke-jr | get off IRC you shut-ins! | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | well, the ambient sensor is available | 17:29 |
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| cehteh | i am atheist :P | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: not my holiday :) | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | but i have to shower, because the sun is setting | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | (it sets much later hear in London than in HEL) | 17:29 |
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| LuciusMa1e | meh | 17:37 |
| LuciusMa1e | n900 is arm or i386? | 17:37 |
| n900evil | arm | 17:38 |
| LuciusMa1e | thx | 17:38 |
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| luke-jr | ... | 17:38 |
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| oscillik | LuciusMare: it tells you on the handset itself, on the rear of the display when you slide it up to access the keyboard | 17:39 |
| oscillik | it states: "ARM Cortex-A8 | 32GB" | 17:40 |
| luke-jr | oscillik: I would *hope* a question like that is pre-purchase. Anyway, he left. | 17:40 |
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| oscillik | yay for lag :( | 17:40 |
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| oscillik | it'll be a strange day when Nokia uses i386 CPUs in their handsets | 17:41 |
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| Vengeful | any good page like "customizing" your maemo? XD | 17:49 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 17:49 |
| LuciusMare | i downloaded the flashight .deb manually - and installed it. (i know, i know) But it doesnt seem to install properly,mit didnt appear in menu or any of folders | 17:51 |
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| LuciusMare | anybody installed flashlight and worked? | 17:53 |
| cehteh | yes | 17:54 |
| cehteh | you'd rtfm? | 17:54 |
| cehteh | it not easy discoverable :) | 17:55 |
| n900evil | luc: yes | 17:55 |
| n900evil | luc: worked for me | 17:55 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 17:57 |
| LuciusMare | wait | 17:57 |
| LuciusMare | i didnt | 17:57 |
| LuciusMare | where can i find flashlight? | 17:57 |
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| cehteh | comeon, rtfm we dont want to type it here | 17:58 |
| fredrin | anyone treid Fremantel pr 1.1? what's new? | 17:58 |
| LuciusMare | cehteh: okay | 17:58 |
| LuciusMare | where can i find the manual for it? | 17:59 |
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| LuciusMare | please | 18:00 |
| aspidites | manual for what? | 18:00 |
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| LuciusMare | i guess for flashlight | 18:01 |
| LuciusMare | or no? | 18:01 |
| cehteh | LuciusMare: program manager -> desinstall -> flashlight -> details | 18:01 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 18:02 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 18:02 |
| cehteh | well and dont deinstall it, i just dont know another way how to access package descriptions | 18:02 |
| LuciusMare | yes | 18:03 |
| LuciusMare | wait | 18:03 |
| LuciusMare | i tap status menu | 18:03 |
| LuciusMare | and there's just battery,bluetooth... | 18:03 |
| LuciusMare | no flashlight | 18:04 |
| cehteh | do you have the camera cover open? | 18:04 |
| LuciusMare | yes | 18:04 |
| cehteh | the whole time? | 18:04 |
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| LuciusMare | yes | 18:04 |
| cehteh | .. since you installed it? maybe close and open it again .. | 18:05 |
| tealbird | Does anyone find esbox useful? | 18:05 |
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| LuciusMare | i'll just reboot | 18:05 |
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| aspidites | btw, apt-cache search app_name shows package description too (though it will show more results than just the one package. looking into how to isolate that | 18:08 |
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| cehteh | aspidites: well i wanted some gui way for him | 18:09 |
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| aspidites | cehteh: ah. | 18:09 |
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| cehteh | would be nice if the progmananger had a packages search in the main menu and, displaying description etc and then either install or uninstall | 18:10 |
| cehteh | kindof other way around to use it | 18:10 |
| cehteh | list all packages/maybe filter by search and choose action then | 18:11 |
| aspidites | cehteh: yeah, that's why i use apt-get, apt-cache, and dpkg. actually i just wrapped them all up into a python script | 18:12 |
| aspidites | also, gui can't install more than one thing at once from what i can tell | 18:12 |
| cehteh | i am old fart dselect user :P | 18:12 |
| aspidites | dselect isn't on n900 though :-( | 18:12 |
| cehteh | yes and more annoying after you install a package the list is displayed from the start and not where you left of | 18:13 |
| cehteh | that doesnt scale | 18:13 |
| aspidites | cehteh: agreed. though, if i remember, the same isn't true for uninstalling | 18:13 |
| cehteh | well i guess we will see better/improved frontend in future | 18:14 |
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| aspidites | i take that back. same for uninstalling :-( | 18:14 |
| aspidites | cehteh: while we are on it, i think the biggest annoyance is that things installed via command line don't show up in the current pacakge manager | 18:15 |
| cehteh | how does one restart mce .. or re-read its config at least? | 18:15 |
| oscillik | aspidites: yes they do | 18:15 |
| Ceron | http://compare-network-monitoring-tools.com/42_Inch_Monitor.html | 18:15 |
| oscillik | aspidites: i installed systeminfowidget via apt-get | 18:15 |
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| oscillik | it showed in the app manager | 18:15 |
| cehteh | aspidites: nah thats ok (for packages which should be hidden) | 18:15 |
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| cehteh | official / gui packages show up | 18:16 |
| cehteh | well and you may swallow the red pill if you need more | 18:16 |
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| aspidites | oscillik: correction. they showed up after a refresh. still slightly annoying | 18:17 |
| aspidites | cehteh: define "packages that should be hidden" | 18:17 |
| aspidites | if by that you mean non-explicitly installed apps -- aka everything except deps then sure | 18:17 |
| oscillik | aspidites: lol! erm, even in ubuntu you have to refresh synaptic to see packages you've just installed] | 18:17 |
| cehteh | whats normally hidden from the gui | 18:17 |
| GAN900 | Merry Christmas, everybody! :) | 18:17 |
| oscillik | in fact, if you have gsynaptics open the commandline apt-get won't allow you to install anything | 18:18 |
| oscillik | so that is kind of a redundant criticism | 18:18 |
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| aspidites | oscillik: i'm coming from archlinux. regardless of gui or cli installed packages are visible without a refresh :-) | 18:18 |
| aspidites | only need to refresh to update the repos. call me spoiled | 18:18 |
| cehteh | err /etc/init.d/mce restart reboots ... | 18:18 |
| thresh | is this arch some new kind of gentoo? | 18:18 |
| thresh | cause that will explain a lot | 18:19 |
| cehteh | there is no 'reload' .. another dent in the case why i want such open sourced | 18:19 |
| aspidites | thresh: not really. similarities, but was (for me) less painful. has binary packages with the option of installing from source (or recompiling binary packages) | 18:19 |
| aspidites | consider that in debian (or more likely ubuntu) you have to "apt-get upgrade && apt-get isntall so_and_so" arch lets you "pacman -Sy so_and_so" the y telling it to update repos first | 18:20 |
| oscillik | aspidites: pacman is not apt-get | 18:20 |
| aspidites | haven't used debian based distros in a while, so I've obviously forgotten a few small things | 18:21 |
| aspidites | oscillik: i know that. but they are both package managers. | 18:21 |
| oscillik | aspidites: Windows is an operating system. so is Mac OS X | 18:21 |
| oscillik | doesn't mean that they do things the same way | 18:22 |
| oscillik | just as long as the result is the same | 18:22 |
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| aspidites | oscillik: i never claimed that they should. what i AM saying is that it's going to take some time to get used to, so you being defensive is rather unnecessary | 18:22 |
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| aspidites | you act as though i'm one of the "iphone guys" saying "why doesn't this do this like the iphone". more accurate is that i am saying "oh, so this doesn't do it like the iphone, i have to do it that way. ok" | 18:23 |
| oscillik | aspidites: and i'm just saying that your criticism is redundant since the app manager in maemo follows standard paradigms for an apt-get based installation method | 18:23 |
| cehteh | what is 'softpoweroff' btw? | 18:23 |
| oscillik | i agree that the pacman method is better | 18:23 |
| cehteh | kindof hibernate? | 18:24 |
| oscillik | and would be awesome on maemo, but unfortunately it uses aptitude | 18:24 |
| aspidites | oscillik: my initial critisism was based on the lack of knowlege. and silently withdrawn (i thought that was implied with "oh" that was mentioned before" | 18:24 |
| aspidites | ) | 18:24 |
| b-man17 | GAN900: Merry Christmas to you too! :D | 18:26 |
| oscillik | aspidites: i see no "oh", only "call me spoiled" and other statements to the effect of saying "i am used to doing things one way, maemo does things another way and i think it sucks that maemo doesn't do things the way i'm used to" | 18:26 |
| aspidites | oscillik: for what it's worth, i thought that packages not showing up (before a refresh) were a side-effect of adding repos manually that don't show up in the catalog dialog". or is there a way to refresh that too? | 18:26 |
| oscillik | hmmmmm i don't think that'd be the case, i believe it is simply a side effect of maemo using aptitude and apt-get | 18:26 |
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| oscillik | like i said - it would be cool to have the same functionality as pacman | 18:27 |
| oscillik | i agree, because my app-manager takes FOREVER to refresh | 18:27 |
| oscillik | but then again, it'd take forever to refresh anyway, even if it was auto-refreshing | 18:27 |
| oscillik | :-s | 18:27 |
| aspidites | oscillik: i know that now. i was speaking in retrospect. it's clear you are misunderstanding the intentions of everything i say | 18:27 |
| oscillik | aspidites: of course - i'm english, you're american....we;re meant to misunderstand each other :p :D how are you finding the N900 otherwise? | 18:28 |
| oscillik | *not meant to | 18:29 |
| oscillik | damn i'm tired | 18:29 |
| oscillik | i blame the turkey | 18:29 |
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| aspidites | i love the N900. and the package manager i can deal with :-). even wrote a apt-get wrapper to spoil myself a bit | 18:29 |
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| aspidites | most anything that does bother me is something i can fix myself, find a work around for, or will be fixed with a firmware update | 18:30 |
| oscillik | aspidites: other than some email niggles, i'm pleased with mine. i showed it off to my freedom-loving friend last night when i did 'apt-get install nano' - he was impressed | 18:30 |
| aspidites | most anything that does bother me is something i can fix myself, find a work around for, or will be fixed with a firmware update | 18:30 |
| aspidites | oscillik: i work at t-mobile and everyone there was drooling. particularly because of the rumpors stating we are supposed to be subsidizing it at some point | 18:31 |
| oscillik | aspidites: i was hoping that my network was going to get it, but i couldn't wait and bought it SIM free. | 18:32 |
| aspidites | oscillik: yep. that and i rationalized my purchase by saying i wasn't tied to a contract. even did the math: subsidized, i'd have paid an additional 150 for the phone | 18:33 |
| oscillik | win win | 18:33 |
| * oscillik thumbs up | 18:33 | |
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| Vengeful | sorry to ask but | 18:34 |
| Vengeful | it's only my n900 that keeps rebooting every now and then | 18:34 |
| Vengeful | something like at least 1 time every 5 minutes of use? | 18:34 |
| aspidites | no Vengeful and there are plenty of threads discussing it | 18:34 |
| Vengeful | that's ok for me | 18:35 |
| aspidites | some state firmware reflash, others hardware defect | 18:35 |
| Vengeful | i mean | 18:35 |
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| Vengeful | if it's only mean i'll ask for a replace | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | Vengeful: checked bug report i referred to? | 18:35 |
| Vengeful | only mine* | 18:35 |
| Vengeful | yes | 18:35 |
| Vengeful | and i reflashed too | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | ad no its not normslal | 18:35 |
| aspidites | its not only you but i would still replace it | 18:35 |
| Vengeful | so messing around with contacts | 18:35 |
| Vengeful | and playing with menus | 18:35 |
| Vengeful | should not freeze and reboot it | 18:36 |
| Vengeful | ok | 18:36 |
| aspidites | Vengeful: http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=6000130 | 18:36 |
| Vengeful | monday i'll go for a replace | 18:36 |
| aspidites | might be some other fixes in those threads until you get time to replace | 18:36 |
| Vengeful | mmhm | 18:37 |
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| Vengeful | i do have a H3G as provider | 18:37 |
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| * aspidites wishes there was 3G in his area | 18:37 | |
| Vengeful | so wait | 18:38 |
| Vengeful | there is a log or a dump | 18:38 |
| Vengeful | that store reboot reasons | 18:38 |
| Vengeful | it says: I opened the terminal to look to /boot/bootreason to see the cause of the reboot, it contains: 32wd_to that means was the watchdog that reboots the terminal. | 18:39 |
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| Vengeful | there is no file inside | 18:40 |
| Vengeful | in my terminal tho | 18:40 |
| cehteh | so charging yellow blinking/ green is now even on when the display is on and the device on blinks purple instead white :) | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | /proc/bootreason | 18:41 |
| Vengeful | ah ok | 18:41 |
| cehteh | but handediting mce.ini isnt fun | 18:41 |
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| Vengeful | and for opening it | 18:42 |
| Vengeful | what's the editor? vi? | 18:42 |
| Vengeful | joe? | 18:42 |
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| cehteh | btw when i add an irc account under accounts/messaging i didnt yet found out if its possible to join a channel with that | 18:43 |
| ShadowJK | it's not | 18:43 |
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| cehteh | well and it doesnt proper log out, on freenode this blocks the nick for infinite time unless you ping it out | 18:44 |
| Vengeful | nvm i think it's blank | 18:46 |
| Vengeful | so that's doesn't help either | 18:46 |
| ShadowJK | yeah, idle isn't really useful | 18:47 |
| Vengeful | i'm trying to set 2G only then | 18:47 |
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| jadams | merry christmas | 18:52 |
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| LuciusMare | any way to get ethernet to n900? | 18:52 |
| jadams | LuciusMare, i.e. not via wireless or usb? | 18:52 |
| LuciusMare | usb ethernet? | 18:54 |
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| jadams | LuciusMare, you could always usb bridge | 18:55 |
| jadams | http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ | 18:55 |
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| jadams | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking | 18:56 |
| LuciusMare | but n909 cant do that,right? | 18:56 |
| jadams | that's for the openmoko, but it should apply pretty cleanly, if that's what you're into. | 18:56 |
| jadams | surely it can | 18:56 |
| LuciusMare | wow | 18:57 |
| jadams | I've not done it...but I can't conceive of a way it could fail | 18:57 |
| jadams | why not just get on the wireless network, also? | 18:57 |
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| jadams | I've used a usb cable to tether my desktop to the internet via the n900 | 18:57 |
| jadams | I've not yet done it with bluetooth, though I installed a package the purported to make bluetooth dun work | 18:57 |
| LuciusMare | wow | 18:57 |
| LuciusMare | but wait | 18:58 |
| kejiaj | Hello i can,t unzip file with ending like tar.gz | 18:58 |
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| kejiaj | How to do it | 18:58 |
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| kejiaj | By n900 | 18:58 |
| LuciusMare | i need a station that is already connected to ethernet | 18:58 |
| n900evil | kej: tar -xzvf foo.tar.gz | 18:59 |
| jadams | LuciusMare, right, there's not an ethernet jack on the n900 | 18:59 |
| kejiaj | Thanks man | 18:59 |
| jadams | you can either get on a network via bluetooth (haven't done) or via wireless, or via usb | 18:59 |
| jadams | but to get on via usb you need a host computer | 18:59 |
| jadams | (but you're getting on a network anyway...without wireless...surely you planned to have one?) | 19:00 |
| kejiaj | What about with tar.xz ending | 19:01 |
| LuciusMare | no,thats why i asked :/ | 19:01 |
| LuciusMare | i meant some kind of an extension | 19:02 |
| wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/12/25/2010-ui-countdown-6-%E2%80%93-xchat/ boom | 19:02 |
| LuciusMare | like usb to ethernet | 19:02 |
| kejiaj | Thanks if anyone would tell me how to unzip with zip.xz | 19:02 |
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| ShadowJK | gigantic text :/ | 19:03 |
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| * RST38h doubts anyone will implement this design though =( | 19:05 | |
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| ShadowJK | yeah it's a pain to rewrite the widgets | 19:06 |
| okra | has anyone installed e17 on a n810? | 19:07 |
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| Vengeful | oh | 19:09 |
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| Vengeful | doing cat /proc/bootreason | 19:09 |
| Vengeful | says 32wd_to | 19:09 |
| Vengeful | so that's it | 19:09 |
| Vengeful | at this point i think i got a defected unit | 19:10 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 19:10 |
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| Vengeful | i'll ask for a replace monday then :| | 19:12 |
| Vengeful | how unlucky | 19:12 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, all for maemo, time for mer) | 19:14 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 19:26 |
| LuciusMare | i wanted to install an app | 19:26 |
| LuciusMare | but its for os2007 | 19:26 |
| Vengeful | you are lucky as hell if your terminal it's not defected! | 19:26 |
| LuciusMare | so it told me its incompatibile - how do i get it on fremantle? Or do i have to find the "right" version? | 19:27 |
| thresh | you have to get the sources and try to rebuild. | 19:27 |
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| thresh | and then it's not guaranteed it will actually work. | 19:28 |
| LuciusMare | meh | 19:29 |
| ShadowJK | what app? | 19:29 |
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| LuciusMare | nvm | 19:30 |
| LuciusMare | damn | 19:30 |
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| LuciusMare | you told me a link a while ago,it was about usb networking | 19:30 |
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| LuciusMare | could you please send it me again? | 19:31 |
| cehteh | LuciusMare: iirc the n900 can do usb networking out of the box, and did you get the flashlight work now? | 19:31 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 19:32 |
| LuciusMare | yes,i did | 19:32 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 19:32 |
| flux | my wlan died (a reboot will likely fix it). suggestions on how to get out the best debugging information out before I reboot it? | 19:32 |
| flux | it's the first time I got the problem (visiting my parent's), so it's unlikely I'll easily repeat the problem | 19:32 |
| LuciusMare | cehteh: so how do i set it so i get the network from machine connected to the thernet? | 19:33 |
| LuciusMare | *ethernet | 19:33 |
| LuciusMare | rtfm,okay | 19:34 |
| LuciusMare | but i dont even know what to google | 19:34 |
| LuciusMare | "maemo ethernet tethering box to device" ? | 19:34 |
| LuciusMare | aww | 19:35 |
| LuciusMare | With USB host mode it's possible to setup and utilize a wired network connection for times when you don't have access to WiFi... | 19:35 |
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| LuciusMare | Note: The N900 does not support USB Host-mode/OTG. See discussion for details. | 19:36 |
| * LuciusMare sniffs | 19:37 | |
| LuciusMare | stupid nokia | 19:37 |
| dmj7263 | blame the usb consortium | 19:37 |
| cehteh | you dont need host mode for networking | 19:37 |
| cehteh | iirc some people work on enabling it anyways, but i dont know what the state is, its a bit delicate because it conflicts with the charging spec | 19:38 |
| LuciusMare | where did you read ti? | 19:38 |
| LuciusMare | it? | 19:38 |
| cehteh | maybe you can fry the device or not power the usb port | 19:39 |
| cehteh | talk.mamemo.org .. google .. whatever there are plenty discussions | 19:39 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 19:40 |
| LuciusMare | i see that the reason that n900 cant usb-otg is because its unable to supply power - couldnt it be just bypassed by a powered hub? | 19:41 |
| cehteh | maybe | 19:42 |
| cehteh | well i would be careful by saying 'just' or 'simple' ... | 19:43 |
| LuciusMare | meh | 19:43 |
| LuciusMare | the only scarr at the face of n900 | 19:43 |
| cehteh | setup bluetooth tethering | 19:43 |
| * cehteh does that too :) | 19:44 | |
| LuciusMare | but...but... | 19:44 |
| LuciusMare | the n900 was released this month! | 19:44 |
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| LuciusMare | maybe someone will get to do that! | 19:44 |
| LuciusMare | i hope so | 19:44 |
| cehteh | as i saied network tethering shoudl work in gadget mode too, your laptop or whatever is the host then | 19:45 |
| LuciusMare | i know | 19:45 |
| LuciusMare | but i see that a thumb drive to maemodevice is possible...not just at n900 | 19:45 |
| cehteh | also on my todo list .. and disable this unmounting and reformat the flash with ext3 or so | 19:45 |
| LuciusMare | i know i can tether | 19:46 |
| LuciusMare | but i want to get it to usb host | 19:46 |
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| cehteh | and i turned off the vibrator when email arrives now .. bsst .... bsst ..... bsst .. grr | 19:49 |
| siriusnova | any news on an N900 update? | 19:49 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 19:49 |
| LuciusMare | so,is there a guide how to tether the signal from ethernet connected device to n900? | 19:50 |
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| LuciusMare | hello? :( | 19:53 |
| siriusnova | hi | 19:53 |
| bongo|kup | hi | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | a aautos-startx | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | before first boot wizard | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B.. | 19:54 |
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| Stskeeps | sigh | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | stupud lag. | 19:54 |
| LuciusMare | ... | 19:55 |
| LuciusMare | what was that supposed to mean? | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | something along the lines of some stuff that should have gone into #mer | 19:56 |
| LuciusMare | ah | 19:56 |
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| LuciusMare | k | 19:56 |
| LuciusMare | and the guide? :/ | 19:56 |
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| LuciusMare | please? | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | don't know any | 19:58 |
| LuciusMare | meh | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | google for it? probably bluetooth tethering or something | 19:58 |
| LuciusMare | i want usb tethering | 19:58 |
| LuciusMare | :/ | 19:58 |
| LuciusMare | uh oh | 19:59 |
| LuciusMare | what should i do with a .install file? | 19:59 |
| LuciusMare | doubleclick on it,or maemo has a tool to deal with these? | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | use it in your n8x0 browser | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | er, nxxx | 20:00 |
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| LuciusMare | meh | 20:00 |
| LuciusMare | and if i just have it in storage of my nxxx? | 20:01 |
| LuciusMare | wow | 20:01 |
| LuciusMare | its so small | 20:01 |
| LuciusMare | er | 20:01 |
| LuciusMare | so at the beginning,i ran off my FUP limit,so i want to download it from computer to tablet,but the .install files are just like links.where can i download the whole deb? | 20:02 |
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| davyg | hi, i'm just doing my noob, but how can I select text in a webpage on maemo default browser ? | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | davyg: n900? click the interaction guide link | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | that explains it | 20:08 |
| davyg | you mean the tutorial ? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | well, the browser tutorial | 20:09 |
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| wazd_n800 | ho ho ho | 20:11 |
| davyg | not sure where i can found it :s i shouldn't be so noob but i'm too much excited by the n900 to think clearly ^^ | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | davyg, just swipe your finger from the bottom left corner of the screen above the navigation bar | 20:12 |
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| davyg | oh thanks man it's so cooooool <mode kikoolol off> | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | davyg, http://www.mobypicture.com/user/nokiAAddict/view/5756554, see where the arrow is? Swipe your finger from left > right | 20:13 |
| LuciusMare | ... | 20:13 |
| davyg | it works thanks but it's hard to discover at first time | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:14 |
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| MohammadAG | that's why there's a guide and a manual | 20:14 |
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| davyg | yes but the tutorial was pretty long and i was too much impatient | 20:15 |
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| davyg | but n900 is really what i have expected, so cool to have a linux box | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | but see the link in the Web bookmarks link | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | it really helped my usage | 20:17 |
| wazd_n800 | yeah, n900 iis awesome) | 20:17 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, saw my xchat concept? | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | nop, hit me? | 20:18 |
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| Stskeeps | it better not look like ms comic chat | 20:19 |
| davyg | ok found the link in the bookmark ^^ | 20:19 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, my blog) | 20:20 |
| LuciusMare | :/ | 20:21 |
| LuciusMare | the fact that n900 cant do usb host really killed my day | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | LuciusMare: read specs next time :p | 20:22 |
| LuciusMare | but...but... | 20:22 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: <3 | 20:22 |
| Gadgetoid | rowr | 20:23 |
| swc|666 | LuciusMare, usb host should be possible | 20:23 |
| LuciusMare | ^^ | 20:23 |
| swc|666 | and when it is, you'll need a powered hub | 20:24 |
| LuciusMare | yes,i kinda expected it | 20:25 |
| LuciusMare | actually,where can i read more about it? | 20:26 |
| swc|666 | the omap chip specs | 20:26 |
| LuciusMare | why didnot nokia include it? | 20:26 |
| swc|666 | host mode driver? dunno, time issue prolly .. otg? politics/time me thinks | 20:27 |
| LuciusMare | meh | 20:27 |
| LuciusMare | and the hardware? | 20:27 |
| swc|666 | ? | 20:27 |
| LuciusMare | is it all on the chip or "it is nokia | 20:27 |
| LuciusMare | s fault" ? | 20:27 |
| Vengeful | in the meantime that monday will show up i'm trying to enable the off mode | 20:27 |
| Vengeful | someone here knows how to do it? | 20:27 |
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| TomaszD | evening | 20:27 |
| Vengeful | i already installed the app for root-ing | 20:28 |
| RST38h | EHLO TomaszD | 20:28 |
| LuciusMare | what off mode? | 20:28 |
| TomaszD | 'lo RST38h | 20:28 |
| Vengeful | "Running "echo 0 > /sys/power/enable_off_mode" seems to have stopped the reboots, I'm going to wait for an update as opposed to sending it back." | 20:28 |
| Vengeful | it says in the forums | 20:28 |
| Vengeful | but there is another permanent way to set it | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | kernel parameters | 20:29 |
| kontio | Hi, I try to port a SDL game to fremantle, now I try to start it with osso_games_startup, the plugin seems to be ok and the osso_games_startup starts, but it seems that it does not emit any dbus call to launch the sdl game, and I also can't exit the osso_games_startup... I use the crazyparking game as example... any hints what could be wrong if the osso-game-startup can't be closed? | 20:29 |
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| TomaszD | nice, new gpodder and fmradio graduated to extras | 20:29 |
| RST38h | So was supposed to do ColEm | 20:29 |
| RST38h | Still not there though, and can't contact X-Fade either | 20:30 |
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| * RST38h considers fixing XChat and packaging it with some sane set of settings | 20:30 | |
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| * thresh considers it crazy | 20:31 | |
| RST38h | why? | 20:31 |
| thresh | who needs xchat when there is irssi | 20:32 |
| * thresh is in a trolling mood, guess why? | 20:32 | |
| thresh | riight, friday without a sip of beer. | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | I prefer xchat | 20:32 |
| RST38h | irssi is for kids | 20:32 |
| * RST38h uses ircii | 20:32 | |
| MohammadAG | lol | 20:32 |
| thresh | okay, nothing can beat that | 20:33 |
| RST38h | telnet to 6667 port can | 20:33 |
| thresh | well probably telnet which was used by that finnish guy who made the irc | 20:33 |
| mza | BitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p14 | 20:33 |
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| thresh | mza: bitchx is based on ircii, isnt it? | 20:34 |
| mza | something like that | 20:34 |
| mza | it's a piece of bloated shit | 20:34 |
| RST38h | BitchX is that eleet version of ircii sick with color diarrhea? | 20:34 |
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| mza | im just to lazy to setup irssi to get on this server | 20:34 |
| mza | epic before irssi | 20:34 |
| mza | epic was the shit | 20:35 |
| * thresh still remembers issues with letter 'ж' coming out everywhere with bitchx | 20:35 | |
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| hrw|n900 | hi | 20:35 |
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| Stskeeps | hi hrw | 20:35 |
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| mza | so how many people got N900's for christmas? | 20:35 |
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| mza | prolly a pretty steady stream | 20:36 |
| mza | "OMG HOW DO I GETS R00T" | 20:36 |
| ml-N900 | not really | 20:36 |
| mza | well that's good | 20:36 |
| hrw|n900 | hi | 20:36 |
| RST38h | ehlo hrw | 20:36 |
| hrw|n900 | did new fw got released? | 20:37 |
| thresh | nope | 20:37 |
| hrw|n900 | ok | 20:37 |
| thresh | those lazy finns. | 20:37 |
| hrw|n900 | which ver fw1.1 has? | 20:37 |
| mza | ive seen ppl tweet about putting it on their devices | 20:37 |
| RST38h | hrw: only to a bunch of happy people | 20:38 |
| thresh | and i can tweet about it, too | 20:38 |
| RST38h | hrw: and it is 51-1 | 20:38 |
| thresh | but that's tweeter. | 20:38 |
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| RST38h | Blogger, shut your tweeter | 20:38 |
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| LoCusF | does anyone know of a project that uses cmake and cdbs? | 20:43 |
| RST38h | why? | 20:43 |
| LoCusF | http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ <- trying to make a package of this :) | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | LoCusF: i think there was a maemo-developers discussion about cmake recently | 20:43 |
| LoCusF | no debian packaging but uses CMake and its binaries work 100% on N900 | 20:43 |
| LoCusF | Stskeeps: mailing list? | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | cdbs is always fun on scratchbox :P | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | LoCusF: yeah | 20:44 |
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| LoCusF | hmm, I wish there was a search function for that :) | 20:45 |
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| Stskeeps | google :P | 20:46 |
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| LoCusF | yeah trying that now :) | 20:47 |
| mza | someone please develope a carddav and caldav client, thx | 20:49 |
| mza | or add it to the existing calendar and address book apps:) | 20:49 |
| mza | would make the N900 perfect for people in a mac business enviornment | 20:50 |
| mza | like me! | 20:50 |
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| Shapeshifter | What would you suggest would be the best way to write apps that basically run as a proxy to web sites. E.g. I'm thinking of writing sort of an "app" for wolfram alpha. Would you think just making a custom css to use with the browser would be the best solutions? Because sometimes I don't really see the point int extra apps if there already is a website. | 20:52 |
| Shapeshifter | though I already wrote a small app just for our club to control some stuff which also had a web interface and I just used curl | 20:52 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 20:57 |
| LuciusMare | i wanted to download mplayer | 20:57 |
| LuciusMare | but i dont know what file | 20:57 |
| LuciusMare | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=54&release_id=1643 | 20:57 |
| LuciusMare | i have got n900 | 20:57 |
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| hrw | re | 20:58 |
| hrw | RST38h: thx | 20:58 |
| hrw | RST38h: 51 week sounds good | 20:59 |
| LuciusMare | anyone? :( | 20:59 |
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| hrw | LuciusMare: iirc mplayer is in one of extras repos | 21:00 |
| * hrw wants stable xchat for maemo5 | 21:00 | |
| LuciusMare | hrw: i want to download it manually,from big box | 21:00 |
| davyg | is there some french people having universal mobile operator ? | 21:01 |
| hrw | current one is not stable at all | 21:01 |
| LuciusMare | because i ran off my limit on the tablet | 21:01 |
| hrw | LuciusMare: then no idea | 21:01 |
| RST38h | hrw: Well, I intend to fix that coredump and repackage it | 21:01 |
| hrw | RST38h: cool | 21:01 |
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| MohammadAG | LuciusMare, https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1912/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.18.n800_armel.deb | 21:04 |
| LuciusMare | but thats for n800 | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | hold on | 21:04 |
| LuciusMare | i am not even sure if it is optified | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | yeah I realized that | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 21:04 |
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| MohammadAG | isn't it a command line player? | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | sorry but I don't have my N900 yet | 21:04 |
| Shapeshifter | oh btw, just a quick question, how do you people tab complete on the command line? there's no tab key, right? | 21:05 |
| Shapeshifter | (don't have one yet) | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | sec I'll check the repos LuciusMare | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | LuciusMare, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0svn2_armel.deb | 21:06 |
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| MohammadAG | LuciusMare, so did it work | 21:08 |
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| fnordianslippers | Ctrl+i does tab completiom for me | 21:10 |
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| LuciusMare | lemme test it | 21:10 |
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| LuciusMare | i hope it is optified | 21:13 |
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| squidd | hei, I'm trying to add alt to xterm bar, what is that in "keys"? | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | so then, anyone tried my tutorial http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/32770-how-use-n900-portrait-mode-glitch.html ? | 21:15 |
| RST38h | Anyone can tell me how to enable core dumps? | 21:16 |
| RST38h | I seem to be unable to make 42-11 drop a coredump | 21:16 |
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| cehteh | RST38h: see /etc/rcS | 21:17 |
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| RST38h | What am I looking for? | 21:18 |
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| thresh | sysctl kernel.core_pattern=core | 21:20 |
| thresh | ulimit -c unlimited | 21:20 |
| RST38h | thanks | 21:20 |
| thresh | i guess that's enogh | 21:20 |
| thresh | enough | 21:20 |
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| RST38h | no sysctl | 21:20 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, NITRO may be another optiob | 21:20 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, NITRO may be another option | 21:21 |
| RST38h | No nitro here | 21:21 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | it is not optified | 21:21 |
| tru_ | anyone have a open auth implementation for the n900? | 21:21 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | took seven percent of my rootfs | 21:22 |
| thresh | ulimit should be enough then | 21:22 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | meh | 21:22 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ulimit does not allowalso the other apps to write to / | 21:23 |
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| RST38h | ulimit already done | 21:23 |
| RST38h | still no core | 21:23 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | nvm | 21:23 |
| thresh | where are you trying to look for them? | 21:23 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | thought you're talkong to me | 21:23 |
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| RST38h | MyDocs/core-dumps | 21:24 |
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| RST38h | Ok, I have found where it OKs the setup in XChat | 21:40 |
| squidd | any help regarding adding alt to xterm keybar | 21:42 |
| squidd | missing what i should add to keylist | 21:42 |
| squidd | keys | 21:43 |
| RST38h | Ok, what is maemo-launcher-app and why XChat build needs it??? | 21:43 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: to save mem | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | and speed up boot of it | 21:45 |
| hrw | ~hail jebba for his tips/tricks on his maemo wiki page | 21:46 |
| squidd | 4444 | 21:46 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i want to get maemo-optify, but it depends on dpkg-dev,where can i get that for fremantle? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: But...how do I build XChat without maemo-launcher-app? | 21:47 |
| * infobot bows down to jebba for his tips/tricks on his maemo wiki page and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 21:47 | |
| LuciusMare_n900 | please? | 21:49 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | do i need to compile it? | 21:49 |
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| ruskie | squidd, hmm haven't found that myself... I tried meta but didn't seem to pickup on it | 21:56 |
| squidd | ya, i tried that too but didnt work :( | 21:56 |
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| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_n900, just get it off the repositories | 21:58 |
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| MohammadAG | and I'm not sure but maemo-optify might be intended to be used on the SDK and not the device itself | 21:58 |
| ruskie | or on debs | 21:58 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | MohammadAG: thats the problem | 21:59 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | its not there | 21:59 |
| ruskie | it is | 21:59 |
| ruskie | you're just missing repos | 21:59 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~ $ apt-cache search dpkg-dev | 21:59 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | dpkg - Debian package management system | 21:59 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~ $ | 21:59 |
| infobot | $ is, like, a dollar sign | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | just open up xterm and type apt-get install dpkg-dev | 21:59 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | oh | 21:59 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | heh | 22:00 |
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| BabelO | ~lart infobot | 22:00 |
| * infobot forces babelo to use Outlook Express | 22:00 | |
| BabelO | ahhhh beurk ! | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > apt-cache search dpkg-dev | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg - Debian package management system | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg-dev - Debian package development tools | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | it's there | 22:01 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | E: Package dpkg-dev has no installation candidate | 22:01 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | meh | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | same repos for X86 and ARMEL | 22:01 |
| ukki | do i need to depend on maemo-optify or will it be in autobuilder by default? | 22:01 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | this is also funny | 22:01 |
| ifreq | LuciusMare_n900: is there something you could actually do yourself by googling? | 22:01 |
| ruskie | ukki, iirc autobuildur does maemo-optify-deb | 22:01 |
| ifreq | as youve been here whole day and all the time endles row of qs? :) | 22:01 |
| ruskie | by default | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_n900, http://pastebin.com/d445ee3a3 | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | check if you have those repos enabled | 22:02 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | /home/user # cat /etc/apt/sources.list | 22:02 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | /home/user # | 22:02 |
| ukki | ruskie: so if i want to use it in debian/rules i need to depend on it? | 22:02 |
| ruskie | naturally | 22:02 |
| ukki | k, thanks | 22:02 |
| ruskie | LuciusMare_n900, check: /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 22:02 |
| ifreq | MohammadAG: i suggest not to give repos to ppl who may break something eventually | 22:02 |
| * RST38h is at loss | 22:02 | |
| RST38h | What do I do about this maemo-launcher-app thing??? | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | ifreq, lol | 22:02 |
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| ifreq | MohammadAG: youll see :P | 22:03 |
| ruskie | hmm ahh so this is the problem of modest+imap idle... simply doesn't do any notifications | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | ifreq, hope not, I don't want to tell someone how to flash a device again :p | 22:03 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | wow | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | but repos don't cause damage | 22:03 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | so, in what repositories is it? | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | if used properly :p | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | apt-cache search dpkg-dev ... | 22:04 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | it does not output it | 22:04 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | so, in what repositories is it? | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 22:05 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | want to see it again? | 22:05 |
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| MohammadAG | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/d/dpkg/dpkg-dev_1.14.25maemo2+0m5_all.deb there, happy? | 22:06 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | thanks | 22:06 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | wait | 22:06 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | it is in normal extras? O_o | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | ifreq, I see what you mean... | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | it's not in /extras | 22:08 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | then where? | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | http://repository.maemo.org/ call it whatever you want | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | (main?) repo | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | or sdk repo | 22:09 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | weird | 22:09 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i am not trolling | 22:09 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | ~ $ apt-cache search dpkg-dev | 22:09 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | dpkg - Debian package management system | 22:09 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~ $ | 22:09 |
| infobot | $ is, like, a dollar sign | 22:10 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | lol | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | install the deb file :/ | 22:10 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | and my enabled repos | 22:10 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~ $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 22:10 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps/ ./ | 22:10 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/003 ./ | 22:10 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free | 22:10 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | which is just weird | 22:11 |
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| ruskie | are you doing this ON the device? | 22:11 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | yes | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_n900, I'm assuming you've never used linux before | 22:12 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i do... | 22:12 |
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| * RST38h found the magic apt-get install line | 22:12 | |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i am running debian on my desktop | 22:12 |
| ruskie | http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk and http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools are the two that would have it but I wouldn't recommend doing this on the device SERIOUSLY | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | err, do you only use the GUI part of it? | 22:12 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | no... | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | then add the repos! | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | ruskie, pasted them, again | 22:13 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | why not on the device? | 22:13 |
| ruskie | because those two aren't meant to be run on the device | 22:13 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | hm | 22:14 |
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| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_n900, <MohammadAG> and I'm not sure but maemo-optify might be intended to be used on the SDK and not the device itself | 22:14 |
| ruskie | yes it is inteneded to be used on the SDK | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | + on* | 22:14 |
| ruskie | or on a deb | 22:14 |
| ruskie | you can run maemo-optify-deb file.db | 22:15 |
| ruskie | erm file.deb | 22:15 |
| ruskie | and it will optify it | 22:15 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | i am on planet windows right now,i have the only linux enabled device here.thats why i wanted to optify it on the device itelf | 22:16 |
| ruskie | if you have the .deb | 22:16 |
| ruskie | you can do it | 22:16 |
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| ruskie | just don't install anything else | 22:16 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ay | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | <LuciusMare_n900> i am running debian on my desktop <-- contradictions... | 22:16 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i...didnt...know... | 22:16 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i thought i have to install it :/ | 22:17 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | 5hanks then | 22:17 |
| * ruskie really dislikes optification | 22:17 | |
| * LuciusMare_n900 really dislikes brickfilled device and full rootfs | 22:18 | |
| MohammadAG | ruskie, why? | 22:18 |
| mikhas | because it is a hack | 22:18 |
| ifreq | its just symlinking | 22:19 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | so what? | 22:19 |
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| ruskie | MohammadAG, because it makes absolutely no sense on a unix/unix-like system | 22:19 |
| ifreq | i dont like it either | 22:19 |
| ruskie | I'm happy that I repartitioned my n900 to have a 5gb /usr | 22:19 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ruskie: rite | 22:19 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ay | 22:19 |
| mikhas | ruskie, I envy you =) | 22:19 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | yes, i cant repartition | 22:19 |
| ruskie | mikhas, instructions on t.m.o | 22:19 |
| mikhas | I know | 22:19 |
| ruskie | LuciusMare_n900, why not? | 22:19 |
| ifreq | im happy still to have enuff space even without partitioning / hacks | 22:19 |
| ifreq | no need to install all stuff from repos anyways | 22:19 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ruskie: because i dont know how | 22:20 |
| ruskie | a less hacky solution would be using /usr/local/ | 22:20 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | any guide? | 22:20 |
| ruskie | LuciusMare_n900, as said... on t.m.o | 22:20 |
| mikhas | but for testing the official images (and for spotting problems!) repartitioning is not the way to go, sadly | 22:20 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | wait,what offic images? | 22:20 |
| mikhas | the ones currently powering your n900 | 22:21 |
| ruskie | still missing one tool though... a mailer switchboard that would let me pick the default mailer on the device | 22:21 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | :o | 22:21 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | anyway | 22:21 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | what is t.m.o. ? | 22:21 |
| ruskie | talk.maemo.org | 22:21 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | oh | 22:21 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | thx | 22:21 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i will have a look @ that | 22:21 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | goodbye for now | 22:22 |
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| MohammadAG | how long has he been on the IRC? | 22:22 |
| mikhas | several times now? | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | +server* | 22:22 |
| ruskie | mikhas, well I dislike it so much I even went and setup my own repo... nonoptified primarily :) | 22:22 |
| mikhas | ruskie, that's commitment =) | 22:23 |
| mikhas | melikes | 22:23 |
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| ruskie | still need to figure out how to do it better because it's painfull to do stuff manually so much | 22:23 |
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| mikhas | lol, dont tell me you have an maemo-unoptify ... | 22:24 |
| ruskie | no | 22:24 |
| ruskie | I rebuild stuff :) | 22:24 |
| ruskie | though nothing from extras yet | 22:24 |
| ruskie | I did plan a 2gb /opt just in case :) | 22:24 |
| ruskie | so far I have working zsh, fcron(though the package lacks a few finer details), tinymail with imap idle support and modest built against it(both also latest HEAD), curl, xmms2, rsyslog, mpg123, tinc, libmpcdec, roxfiler | 22:26 |
| mikhas | rsyslog ... handy | 22:26 |
| ruskie | not installed yet though | 22:27 |
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| hrw | fresh tinymail+modest would be nice to have | 22:28 |
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| hrw | 42-11 ones are not usable | 22:28 |
| RST38h | you still hope there is going to be a working modest? | 22:28 |
| ruskie | http://repo.codemages.net nonopt/ | 22:28 |
| ruskie | if you want to | 22:28 |
| ruskie | can someone write a mailer switchboard that would do a similar thing that the browser one does but for mailto links? | 22:29 |
| ruskie | I'd really like a working email client like alpine on my n900 | 22:29 |
| hrw | RST38h: rather not | 22:29 |
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| hrw | RST38h: I hope that working usable email client will arrive for maemo5 with ~20$ price max | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: maemo-launcher-dev is the usual one to dep on | 22:30 |
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| hrw | RST38h: after days of using n900 I see one ugly thing - nokia software designers never used anything newer then nokia 5110/3210... and never even saw PDA/S60/WM devices | 22:31 |
| RST38h | Sts: yes found it | 22:32 |
| RST38h | hrw: that is not it | 22:32 |
| hrw | no names for IM/Voip accounts, crappy Calendar imitation | 22:32 |
| RST38h | hrw: you have got a bunch of highly dogmatic UI people who do not seem to listen to feedback | 22:32 |
| ruskie | erm no names? | 22:32 |
| RST38h | that's all | 22:32 |
| pwnguin | i kinda wish the calendar app supported adding webdav calendars | 22:33 |
| richardha | Get windows keys for 5eur only http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :) | 22:33 |
| hrw | apps lacks common look - IM/SMS view uses emoticons, IM/SMS list do not | 22:33 |
| ruskie | what names? | 22:33 |
| hrw | ruskie: add 2 SIP accounts | 22:33 |
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| ruskie | and that will give me what? | 22:33 |
| hrw | what you get? "call by SIP" + "call by SIP"? | 22:33 |
| richardha | Get windows keys for 5eur only http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :) | 22:33 |
| ruskie | ahh | 22:33 |
| hrw | I want "Call by Tlenofon" + "call by Betamax" | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | is richardha a bot | 22:34 |
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| MohammadAG | nvm then :p | 22:34 |
| hrw | ruskie: same for "work jabber" + "private jabber" | 22:35 |
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| ruskie | hmm I'd use a jabber2jabber transport for that | 22:35 |
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| hrw | ruskie: why? I want to be able to easily see who is from which list and to disable/enable work one on vacations with 2 clicks | 22:36 |
| ruskie | I hate the lack of priority and ability to pick a resource on jabber to send to | 22:36 |
| ruskie | so just don't connect to the jabber2jabber transport :) | 22:36 |
| hrw | I hate lot of things in maemo5 | 22:37 |
| pwnguin | hrw: question: which phone does SIP accounts right? | 22:37 |
| hrw | will have to write a blog post about it in 2010 | 22:37 |
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| hrw | pwnguin: so far used two - s60 one which allows me to select one voip account to connect at time and maemo5 one which does not show me which one is which | 22:38 |
| ruskie | I wish I could add my work sip account to the n900 | 22:38 |
| ruskie | but apparently I can't | 22:38 |
| ruskie | I could add it on the S60 phone though | 22:38 |
| ruskie | can't add it with something like twinkle as well | 22:38 |
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| Arkenoi | iirc betamax sucks. | 22:39 |
| hrw | Arkenoi: it does, i used it as an example | 22:39 |
| ruskie | I only have one... ekiga.net and I don't use it all that much anyway | 22:39 |
| wazd_n800 | reheya | 22:40 |
| hrw | re wazd | 22:40 |
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| hrw | ok time for me | 22:42 |
| hrw | have a nice rest of xmas | 22:42 |
| ruskie | same | 22:43 |
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| bongo|kup | with a glas of wine | 23:02 |
| bongo|kup | very amusing | 23:03 |
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| flux | hm, I'm following instructions from: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon#Building_Qt_from_GIT_rep - but the step "git checkout -b 4.5 origin/4.5 | 23:11 |
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| flux | " fails. any suggestions? the error message is "fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing Did you intend to checkout 'origin/4.6' which can not be resolved as commit?" | 23:11 |
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| adeus | looks like a weird instruction | 23:18 |
| adeus | I don't see a 4.5 branch in gitorious | 23:18 |
| adeus | and even if it did, the next step checks out another branch | 23:18 |
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| flux | ok. I know only the very basics of git. thanks! I'll try if it works :) | 23:26 |
| adeus | so | 23:27 |
| adeus | I'd say just skip the step | 23:27 |
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| adeus | is there some reason you need to compile Qt in the first place? | 23:29 |
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| flux | the website suggests the git version is much more up-to-date | 23:35 |
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| flux | actually maybe this phrase is a bit old: "To get the benefits of the ongoing Maemo 5 hildon integration work in Qt, you must get the latest Qt source code and compile it yourself. See Building Qt from GIT repository. | 23:36 |
| flux | " | 23:36 |
| flux | at http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4Hildon#Overriding_the_Qt_Maemo_changes | 23:36 |
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| adeus | I've been quite content with the debs | 23:43 |
| adeus | maybe I'll have to look into what's actually different | 23:43 |
| adeus | I would guess not that much as they're probably starting to push for 4.6 | 23:45 |
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