IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-12-25

ShadowJKI'hah, it worked with https00:00
ShadowJKso broken..00:01
* RST38h politely asks the Tentacled One to suck the brains out of whoever decided to use this sorry excuse for CMS on maemo.org00:02
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RST38hShadowJK: Thanks! Need to find one more guinea pig and...00:02
ShadowJKnp00:03 is sooooo slooooooow x_X00:04
wazd- Getting to IRC with a single poke at the screen (open terminal, connect, login and resume screen)00:04
wazdoh my00:04
n900evilrst: ?00:04
RST38hn900: what?00:05
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n900evilwondering why pigs.00:05
n900evilsigh. xchat scroll is bad.00:06
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RST38hn900evil: because all monkeys have been euthanised.00:07
n900evilsee mechanical turk00:07
ShadikkaI have kind of a strange "problem" :P00:07
ShadikkaI'd like to do some Python magic on the N900, but can't think of anything <_<'00:07
Arkenoilooks like emelFM2 is the ugliest application i ever seen ;-)00:08
RST38hthe most mysterious indeed00:08
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RST38hanyways, there is midnight commander00:08
ShadowJKof course it's getting slow, it's christmas eve, all the geeks are logging on00:08
Klowneranyone know if there's a way to get the N900 terminal to use aliased fonts? :)00:09
n900evilare you mad?00:10
RST38hhe means antialiased00:10
n900evilit's a 280dpi screen00:10
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Klownerwell, I'm using 10pt font, and it kinda gets blurred out into nothing00:10
ShadowJKI think he means aliased00:10
RST38hdont use tiny fonts00:10
KlownerI most certainly mean non-anti-aliased :)00:10
RST38hgot it00:11
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Klownertiny jaggy sharp fonts00:11
ShadowJKI use minimum size, black on white, looks okay00:11
lcuklet the limitations of your eyes do the blending for you00:11
n900evilI'm usin about 6pt and it's _sharp_00:12
n900evilmaybe 700:12
RST38hyou people are just not kind ot your eyes00:12
ShadikkaWell, it doesn't exactly harm them :P00:12
ShadikkaJust tire them a bit.00:13
ShadikkaI use 9pt or 10pt depending on the situation myself.00:13
Klownerpretty much have to use monospace bold at that size00:13
ShadowJK10pt is about my limit on N90000:13
DocScrutinizer51Hukka: and of course edit sound.conf00:13
ShadowJKI can use much smaller on N810, even much smaller when measured in physical displayed size of the font00:13
lcukthe n910 better have a brail screen00:13
RST38hand a steam-powered CPU00:14
n900evilby 7pt - I mean 7/64ths of an inch00:14
fralsand color fax00:14
ShadikkaAnd a coffee brewer!00:14
RST38hthe final fax00:14
Nitialand holodeck generator00:14
Klownermind control and x-ray camera00:15
RST38hand a paper tape reader/writer, for swap00:15
ShadowJKprojector would be nice00:16
RST38hOk. Sleep.00:16
DocScrutinizer51Hukka: sound.conf :
mikhasanti-grav field00:16
mikhasI dropped mine today =/00:16
* RST38h just wants a physically bigger screen.00:16
mikhasno harm was done though00:16
mikhaswell, no *physical* harm, emotionally though ...00:16
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zashRST38h: when do we get fold-out screens?00:18
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Wolfiemerry christmas all00:21
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lcukRST38h, do i remember someone making a punchcard reader using a webcam00:31
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DocScrutinizer51heh that,s geeky00:31
AakashPatelno one has made a protobuf package for maemo yet?00:31
* AakashPatel shall00:32
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Wolfiesorry for the newb question, but why does my esbox list no build targets (e.g. "FREMANTLE_X86") when I try to create the pyqthelloworld project? is it because I might not have pyqt installed in scratchbox?00:33
fluxhmph, I was hoping to run oprofile per instructions from, but apparently the stock n900 doesn't come with oprofile kernel support (nor a module). is the module available somewhere?00:33
Wolfiec++ project templates were created just fine00:33
WolfieThe wizard does propose "Scratchbox 1 (/scratchbox/)" as a group, but no nodes underneath00:34
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fluxgaah, serves me right, the documentation said at the beginning where the module is :-)00:35
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* Gadgetoid_mbp munches a carrot00:38
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Gadgetoid_mbpladies and gentlemen. The illusion is complete.00:38
ifreqlä ny meit syytä00:39
ShadowJKstep away from the kossu00:40
Gadgetoid_mbpTomten stod på tomten!00:41
ifreqShadowJK: my 1M mobile internet has 1-2KB/sec for irssi atm..00:41
ifreqso a bit laggy00:41
Gadgetoid_mbpTomten är en bög!00:41
HukkaDocScrutinizer51: Ok, thanks. Was absent for a while, giving hints to my father on supcom00:42
wazdGadgetoid_mbp: pon-pon-pata-pon00:42
Gadgetoid_mbpSpråkfascister kan komma när de ser ett komma!00:42
TanuvaI cannot find anywhere how to become root on the n900. could someone gimme a hint? :)00:42
Gadgetoid_mbpwazd: pata-pata-pon-pata00:42
wazdTanuva: hint: rootsh00:42
wazdGadgetoid_mbp: fever!00:43
Gadgetoid_mbpwazd: i genuinely lolled00:43
Gadgetoid_mbpBut then I also laughed at: One snowman said to the other: "Do you smell carrots?"00:43
Tanuvaali1234: thanks :)00:43
DocScrutinizer51Hukka: xchat has a bug yet. it segfaults on saving prefs. so you need to edit the files in .xchat200:44
wazdGadgetoid_mbp: oh my :)00:44
Gadgetoid_mbpDocScrutinizer51: I thought that was a feature!00:44
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Gadgetoid_mbpvi has a better UI than the non-maemo5erized XChat prefs anyway00:45
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LuciusMarehow do i copy gsm contacts from sim?00:46
wazdI should definitely grab xchat to my forge00:46
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Gadgetoid_mbpLuciusMare: ##n90000:48
* Gadgetoid_mbp notes that 3 of the people in that room are somehow him00:48
Gadgetoidoh look... i'm online!00:49
Xisdibikyour offline00:49
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Gadgetoid_mbpXisdibik: ....00:49
Gadgetoid_mbpYOU HAZ POWAZ!!!00:50
XisdibikI haz big powaz00:50
lcukwhy the extra #00:50
Gadgetoid_mbpApparently it's a freenode condition for "lesser" channels00:50
Mouseyfor "corporate"00:51
type_tfor "clan"  and "sect"00:51
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lcukso theres #n900 and ##n90000:53
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type_tthere is #noseers too00:53
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type_tthis channel has 433 can we invite some people so we can beat #gentoo ! it would be a nice Christmas Gift for all..00:58
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type_tneed 336 only :/00:59
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LuciusMareremoving contacts wi.. remove them also on the "real" xmpp acc?01:00
lcukn900type_t there is more than one way to skin a cat.  but theres plenty of time01:02
type_ti know how for real!01:03
type_tgrab the tail and pull as hard as you can..01:03
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mikhasouch, I dont want to know ...01:06
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n900evilfound the flasher, now where are the images?01:14
Gadgetoid_mbpWow, 8mb of (unused) gpg eating mai root01:15
type_tget some FIASCO images <n900evil>01:16
AakashPatelHmmm I'm working on a project that depends on a different project01:17
SmilyOrgyay, my app actually works01:18
AakashPatelBut what if htat other project doesnt make it into extras by the time mine does01:18
JaffaAh. Kids in bed. In-laws in bed. Presents under the tree (and over the rest of the floor). Cup of tea and a QI. Perfick.01:18
AakashPatelwhat would i do?01:18
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SmilyOrgAakashPatel interesting01:18
AakashPatelYeah, I'm planning on creating a Protobuf project and a Google Voice project becuase Google Voice will depend on protobufs01:19
AakashPatelSo I'm wondering what I would do if the protobuf project doesnt make it into the extras repo by the time Google Voice app does01:19
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JaffaAakashPatel: Anything in `Depends' is pulled up with it01:20
lcukJaffa, dont forget to clomp around on the roof, drink the milk and take a bite out of the carrot01:20
SmilyOrg<3 madde01:21
AakashPatel"Please provide detailed, accurate description of your project and what garage resources and in which way you plan to use."01:21
AakashPatelWhat garage resources?01:21
AakashPatelFile hosting?01:21
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Jaffalcuk: Milk? Normally sherry, but was brandy this year - and I've been in the loft (after x glasses of wine) :)01:21
JaffaAakashPatel: Just to be sure - you realise a Garage project has NO relation whatsoever to publishing software in Extras, right?01:22
* lbt sync'ed his contacts/calendar from n900 to egroupware/ldap :)01:23
JaffaSmily: MADDE is cool; looking forward to seeing it fully integrated into SDK for Maemo 6 developers and Qt Creator01:23
AakashPatelOh wait whatt01:23
AakashPatelJaffa: Then where  would I publish projects to be put into the repos?01:23
lbtsadly one way atm01:23
SmilyJaffa i'd like it fully integrated for Maemo 5 too :P01:23
HukkaDocScrutinizer51: You wouldn't happen to know a way to activate the flash light, would you?01:24
JaffaAakashPatel: Garage provides "typical" software project resources, e.g. version control; web site hosting etc. To publish to Extras you need to just push a variety of files at the auto-builder. It doesn't care where those files have come from.01:24
Smilyit doesn't seem that far away, i was able to hax it in a bit, isn't pretty but it half works at least :)01:24
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JaffaAakashPatel: i.e.
DocScrutinizer51Hukka: sure. use flashlight01:24
AakashPatelOkay thanks for the link01:24
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* n900evil tries apt-get upgrade as a last ditch unbuggerer.01:25
HukkaOh, wow. Finally01:25
ShapeshifterWill this "OrangeBox" never stop staring threads?01:25
type_tapplause !! for <Jaffa> ..01:25
ShapeshifterIt's been weeks01:25
mikhasAakashPatel, use anything but garage for project hosting, seriously =)01:25
JaffaAakashPatel: If you have nowhere else to version control your software, and want to collaborate, and don't want to use Sourceforge, Codehaus, Gitorious, Google Code, ... then you can apply for project space on Garage.01:25
ShapeshifterHe's opening a thread a day01:25
HukkaI was only aware of that simple app that makes the screen white01:25
DocScrutinizer51Hukka: nah that's spyw... err nonsense ;-P01:26
DocScrutinizer51the app is called flashlight01:26
lbtalthough I thought garage projects count for karma?01:26
HukkaYeah, google gave it to me01:26
HukkaDidn't exist two weeks ago, so hadn't notice01:26
Smilyflashlight appears in the menu when it shouldn't for me01:27
Jaffalbt: I think *membership* of them does, a bit.01:27
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HukkaI was just searching in the dev forum for dbus magic or something like that and hack one for me, but sure, this is better01:27
Smilyi can turn it on when the cover is closed, makes a bright line through the cover, heh01:27
lbtkarma is too complex... I'm going back to syncml01:27
Jaffalbt: I don't think it values commits or anything.01:27
Jaffalbt: :)01:27
* Jaffa read the SyncML spec. Once. For a bit.01:27
JaffaThen ran. Ran for the hills :)01:28
HukkaDocScrutinizer51: Now, how to disable autostart for the camera app :?01:28
lbtit's spooky stuff01:28
DocScrutinizer51Smily: I wish I knew how to reliably reproduce that01:28
Smilyi know01:28
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DocScrutinizer51Hukka: not at all atm :-/01:28
Smilyi'm not sure which steps are necessary, but i can try to explain them here01:29
wazdnowai they did it!
DocScrutinizer51Hukka: I suggested to make flashlight autostart instead of cam app. light flashlights (config option) and display a menu with 3 buttons "still cam" "video" and "light off/on"01:30
wazdI wished BT handsfree with plug-in headphones for like 5 years (01:30
Hydroxidehm. if my n900's micro-usb connector has come loose so that I have to continuously press down on it in order for a connection to register, would nokia consider the warranty to be voided?01:31
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DocScrutinizer51Hukka: the way it,s atm it's much too clumsy for everyday use01:32
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HukkaWhoo, that light is really strong01:33
Smilyhmm, i can't reproduce the flashlight bug anymore, maybe i updated it, but i know it had something to do with using the screenshot applet and taking a screenshot with the camera capture button and then flashlight appeared or something like that01:33
HukkaI think I'll keep the other app too, for those times I need to find something among sleeping people01:33
HukkaIs there a way to get a list of new apps in -testing and -devel?01:34
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HukkaSomething to check now and then for interesting stuff01:35
HukkaThe QA queue isn't sortable by date01:35
HukkaThere's also a list for latest packages, but that also counts new versions01:35
DocScrutinizer51Hukka: heh thanks. gave me an idea. Make that "flashlight on/off" button a slider for brightnesso01:36
Arkenoiwazd: they make it for several years already, not this fancy model though01:36
Arkenoiand jabra does as well01:36
HukkaDocScrutinizer51: Is that possible?01:37
HukkaSince it's made as a flash light, I'd think it's always full power or none01:37
HukkaWould be great, though01:37
DocScrutinizer51I think it is. the led controller is programmable for led current01:37
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DocScrutinizer51Hukka: and actually what you see now is just the 50mA mode. it can do 6 times that mutch. For 0.5sec though maximum01:39
wazdArkenoi: oh01:40
Smilyoh, that's the difference between torch and flash modes then?01:40
wazdArkenoi: then I'm out of business I guess :)01:40
HukkaDocScrutinizer51: Holy...01:40
AakashPatelyay protobuf compiled for armel01:40
HukkaThat's almost a selfdefence device there! Blind the assailant in the night01:41
HukkaHalf a second is quite long, for a flash01:41
DocScrutinizer51Hukka: you need that for anti red eye multiflash. I think they sum up01:42
* wazd ponders how come some people have 2 and even three n900s...01:43
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Arkenoiwazrd: nokia does massive giveaway, i think they buy one and later get one for free01:47
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xorAxAxis there a flashlight app with LED support already?01:48
DocScrutinizer51xorAxAx: see backscroll. just 30min01:49
xorAxAxi couldnt find the name01:49
xorAxAxits not in testing01:49
DocScrutinizer51is the name01:49
wazdArkenoi: well, that was more a rhetoric question :P01:49
DocScrutinizer51odd enough01:49
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xorAxAxwho is the maintainer?01:50
HukkaxorAxAx: See the package page01:50
DocScrutinizer51maybe because it+ just one week old01:50
HukkaI think it was in testing too, but can't be bothered to check again01:50
Hukkaname of the app is enough to find all relevant info on maemo.org01:51
DocScrutinizer51I'd guess it's in devel01:51
Hukkamoodlight is also useful01:51
HukkaI currently don't have light in the bathroom01:51
HukkaMoody showers!01:51
xorAxAxit is called flashlight applet!01:51
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wazdArkenoi: btw, I think you still don't recognize me, I'm that tall guy with RST38h and Mobile Camp/ n900 meeting :D01:54
Arkenoiah :-)01:55
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wazdArkenoi: I'm kind of a UI designer in here, so if you'll ever be up for some developing - call :)01:58
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DocScrutinizer51heh wazd. So you read my comment about flashlight app above? ;-)02:00
lbtGoodnight all - merry christmas... :)02:00
ShadowJKmerry christmas02:00
wazdlbt: Mer ry christmas :)02:00
type_t<wazd> Ok!  develop this  .. make the screen flash and the pixeling to flow "down" like a water cascade... :>02:01
wazdtype_t: I'm a designer, not developer yet :)02:01
type_twhat the kitchen is too hot for ya?02:02
wazdtype_t: well, I'm the part of the kitchen, but I'm not boiling potato, I'm serving it :)02:03
type_tanyway its called tvsnow..02:03
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michaels_Get windows keys for only 5 eur :)02:03
type_tthrow me a bone once in a while ..02:04
michaels_Get windows keys for only 5 eur :)02:04
wazdmichaels_: die for free02:04
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JaffaHukka: The QA list is in chronological order, oldest first.02:05
michaels_Get windows keys for only 5 eur :)02:05
Hukkamichaels_: May you try the flashlight app when the phone is pointing to you02:05
lcuktype_t, just play with liqflow02:05
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lcukheppy christmas folks btw \o02:05
DocScrutinizer51chanop. please kick michaels_02:05
HukkaJaffa: That too is about versions, though02:06
lcukalso, regarding the torch,
povbotBug 7320: camera missing manual backlighting option02:06
HukkaBetter than nothing, of course, but not that good about keeping track of innovations :)02:06
Maceri have to admit. avatar is a movie i can watch way more than 1 time02:07
ifreqhmm okay :P02:07
Macerthe movie is awesome02:08
lcukits a movie james cameron needs you to watch way more than one time02:08
Macerlcuk: haha02:08
Macerlcuk: it really was well made. it is somewhat difficult to realize that 90% of it is cg02:08
HukkaNo spoilers, please :)02:08
HukkaI'm seeing it tomorrow, or on the weekend02:08
MacerHukka: it is worth the money ;)02:08
HukkaSurprisingly my 50k hometown has a 3d theatre02:09
Macerunlike 99% of all movies02:09
wazdHukka: beleive me, there's nothing to spoil02:09
Macerwazd: haha02:09
Hukkawazd: I kinda was thinking that too :)02:09
wazdHukka: story line is damn obvious and straight :)02:09
Hukka"There's 3d effects" "Gaah!"02:09
Macerwazd: it was dances with wolves + surrogates + blue aliens02:09
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wazdHukka: but 3d is goddamn awesome, just saw it in IMAX02:09
Macerbut it was still a good movie02:09
Macergreat movie actually02:10
n900evilaliens can't get equity cards02:10
Macern900evil: hahaha02:10
HukkaMacer: Would you watch with a regular screen?02:10
GAN900Macer, FernGully02:10
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MacerHukka: yes if it were HD ;)02:10
Macernot standard though02:10
Macereven though i did watch the telesync before going to the theatre to see it02:10
HukkaOf course with 1080p, what else is there these days :?02:10
HukkaUgh, telesync02:10
Macerso you know it has to be good if i already saw it and wanted to actually go pay to see it again02:11
HukkaMacer: Or you just realised that there's nothing apart the effects :)02:11
MacerHukka: no. i actually liked the storyline also02:11
wazdabsolute jawdrop for first 15-20 minutes02:11
Macerand of course the visuals02:11
Macerwho made the effects?02:11
wazdthen you get used to 3d and actually watch the movie :)02:11
Macerthey did an amazing job02:11
wazdMacer: : you better not watch credits02:12
Maceri didn't02:12
HukkaMacer: Wasn't it ILM+wet?02:12
Hukkaweta, I mean02:12
wazdMacer: It was like a small country of FX pros listed :D02:12
Macera small country hahaha02:12
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wazdMacer: All possible studios except pixar02:12
Macerwhy not pixar? :)02:12
Macerbad blood or something?02:12
wazdMacer: Jobs can't afford own Avatar I guess :D02:13
Macercameron and lucas got together and decided since they spoofed star wars in toy story 2 they weren't going to do it?02:13
Maceri bet it was some stupid pixar decision that they are going to regret later hahaha02:13
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wazdOr Jim just sait "Sorry Steve, but I really can't make a scene where Na'Vi is calling with an iPhone, seriously"02:14
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Macerwow. avatar pulled in 73M already02:14
Macerand that was just last weekend02:15
wazd73M? More like 250+ )02:15
Macerare they actually showing it in non-imax theatres?02:15
wazdMacer: sure02:15
wazdMacer: how you got your TS you think :)02:15
Macerwazd: 3D decoding hidden lens?02:16
wazdActually 2D version is worth watching too cause there's no DOF blur and you can check all the stuff you've missed :)02:16
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Macerthe girl from avatar was ahura from star trek? :)02:17
wazdLuciusMare: ho02:17
LuciusMarehow can i gwt ntpdate on maemo?02:17
Macerhaha. they even have their own special imdb page.. instead of the default theme02:18
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wazdJames Cameron rendered Pandora planet faster than GP2X assembled Pandora console :)02:19
mavhcwhy would the 2d version have no DOF blur?02:19
wazdmavhc: well, it looks just like ordinary movie02:20
mavhcone of those people had $300 million02:20
mavhcthey have DOF, that's half of the "film" look02:20
wazdmavhc: and IMAX version have to blur everything outside of very narrow DOF to make a 3D feel02:20
MacerDOF blur?02:20
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wazdmavhc: see? It's sharp. In IMAX Avatar would be blured02:21
mavhcwould be?02:21
wazdmavhc: yes, beleive me :)02:21
mavhcI find 3d films sometimes have too sharp a look on the wrong parts, if you're not focused on the right thing it's weird02:21
mavhchave you seen both?02:22
wazdmavhc: just 3D, this morning02:22
wazdmavhc: actually all these blurs looks natural if you follow the actual focus with your eyes :)02:23
ifreqisnt LSD for the 3D?02:23
LuciusMareyes,but i like to refocus all the time02:23
ifreqi mean without the 3D goggles and stuff02:23
mavhcthe bluring should help focusing then02:23
mikhasI hate animated movies02:23
wazdmavhc: yeah, that's the point :)02:23
ifreqi hate humans02:24
wazdit emulates eye behaviour02:24
mavhcmikhas: watch paintings then02:24
HukkaRead comics02:24
mavhcin real life I'm constantly away of double images for things I'm not focused on02:25
ifreqmavhc: you got some real life? cool02:25
LuciusMarewhere can i download it?02:25
mikhasthe colours of RL are awesome02:25
mavhcapt-get install alife02:25
mikhasit's all 3d out of the box!02:25
LuciusMarethats cool02:26
ifreqawesome man02:26
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ifreqits on extras repo?02:26
mikhasand the blurring effects are just done right02:26
mikhasthey even took into effect when you're drunk!02:26
LuciusMarebut,isnt all these 3d things just eyecamdy?02:26
Hukkaifreq: -devel. Don't touch it, if you don't like to live on the edge!02:27
mikhasinto effect? what did I to say ... "into consideration"!02:27
mikhas*try* to say02:27
HukkaThere have been reports of death for getting into a life02:27
ifreqHukka: i live on the edge everyday02:27
LuciusMarei think i will stick with good ol' 2d desktop02:27
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rlinfati# hi!, where i can get firmware 51-1 ?03:10
felipecrlinfati: it's not out yet, is it?03:11
rlinfatifelipec, is released to a selected people....03:12
GAN900rlinfati, are you among that group? :)03:12
* n900evil is, but I forgot the url.03:13
rlinfatin900evil :(03:14
GAN900rlinfati, the firmware was distributed to a limited group of people for a reason. :)03:15
GAN900If they had intended to distribute it to everybody they would have.03:15
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ShadowJKGAN900, I guess the idea is to gauge how many percent of devices it "bricks"03:17
ShadowJKwhere bricks is "needs reflash"03:17
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Diseasehello !03:23
Diseaseand happy christmas :p03:23
DiseaseI want to know, weechat on maemo, it's possible ? plz03:24
* FIQ wish everyone a merry christmas03:24
zerojayShadowJK: No, it's really really not.03:24
zerojayShadowJK: It's to bug test the update.03:24
ShadowJK"bricked" is a bug, no?03:25
ShadowJKThat post was referring to some comments which I gathered to be complaints about NSU in diablo-chinook timeline bricking clone to sd devices03:25
zerojayIt's a showstopper, not just simply a bug.03:25
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zerojayAnd bricking on unsupported hacks like clone to SD isn't something they would consider a bug.03:26
zerojayIf there was any real possibility of bricking, they wouldn't have given the firmware to us.03:26
ml-N900Disease: possible, but requires someone interested in doing it03:27
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Diseaseyou do not know if this is planned or not?03:28
zerojayDisease: What's weechat?03:29
Diseasea IRC client !03:29
zerojayOpen source?03:29
Diseaselike irssi03:29
Diseaseyes of cours03:29
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Diseaseon the extra-devel there are irssi and Xchat but not weechat :'(03:31
GAN900zerojay, who was that asshat on itt who turned his troll thread into a blog?03:33
GAN900zerojay, 2006/200703:33
luke-jrwasn't me that time03:34
GiantTalkingCowWhat was he trolling about?03:34
GAN900Just general person attacks03:34
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luke-jreven I don't stoop that low03:35
GAN900He had some sort of video game monster avatar03:35
luke-jrI stick to attacking teh company or device03:35
GAN900Think his name started with an s03:35
luke-jrGAN900: MERRY CHRISTMAS03:35
GAN900OrangeBox is reminding me of him.03:36
GAN900luke-jr, Merry Christmas, hope it's a happy and safe one. :)03:36
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luke-jrGAN900: only if we stay home <.<03:37
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GiantTalkingCowSpeaking of trolls, I just read some amazing free software rants over in the Reddit tech/linux subreddits; it's gotten to the point that I can't tell if it's real or not.03:37
luke-jrGAN900: btw, in case my serial port failure is of interest to you:
luke-jrGiantTalkingCow: plenty of legitimate reason to complain about that ;)03:38
* luke-jr ponders finding these 'subreddits' things03:38
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GiantTalkingCowTrue, but this was stuff like "...the BSD license is too free and will kill Linux! It's not REALLY free." etc.03:39
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luke-jrGiantTalkingCow: wtf? how is the BSDL even applicable here?03:40
GiantTalkingCowTo make a long story short, a lot of the Gnome devs along with the guys behind Mono want to move to a BSD license for their new stuff.03:42
luke-jroh, not Nxx0 related03:44
luke-jrwho cares? GNOME and Mono are failures03:44
GiantTalkingCowNah, hust went off on a tangent... and honestly, desktop Linux is a failure overall. (imo)03:45
GiantTalkingCowjust* went...03:45
julianoliverpretty much. still, it sucks the least imo.03:46
luke-jrGiantTalkingCow: as terrible as GNOME is, I'm sure it's more usable than Windows03:48
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GiantTalkingCowI beg to differ. The guts of the system are just fine, but the UIs drive me up the wall. I just don't think a good user interface can be made by committee. (this plagues proprietary software too, btw)03:48
luke-jrmeh, KDE's UI is pretty nice, but the guts are the problem03:49
GiantTalkingCowAs for Gnome versus Windows, I'd say it's sort of a stalemate at this point. I use all three major OSes, and they're all lacking in the UI department. I wish they'd steal each others' best features a bit more often, to tell the truth.03:49
luke-jreverything's too bloated03:49
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luke-jrthere's only two major DEs competing for least-crappy: OS X and KDE03:50
julianoliverluke-jr: Ubuntu had a chance but in reality Shuttleworth couldn't dress a desktop to save himself.03:50
luke-jrjulianoliver: Ubuntu is GNOME-centric, so no, it really didn't :p03:50
zerojayGAN900: Good god, I can't remember now.03:51
GiantTalkingCowNah, KDE's awful. It's focused on those awful widgets, still doesn't have half the useful features of v3, has awful layout and a file manager that makes me want to shoot myself. I seriously wish they'd hired a few UI designers when going over to v4.03:51
julianoliverluke-jr: i have to teach with OS X from time to time, i think it's pretty awful.03:51
julianoliverKDE however is simply lost.03:52
julianoliverall in all, the desktop metaphor is silly however, lost.03:52
luke-jrGiantTalkingCow: you clearly haven't used it since 4.0. 4.1 at most03:52
GiantTalkingCowOS X is a combination of some excellent features, along with some stuff that makes me want to drive down to Cuptertino and kick Steve Jobs.03:52
GiantTalkingCowluke-jr: 4.3 actually. The Suse version.03:52
luke-jrbut admittedly, I never use Dolphin03:52
julianoliverindeed. The Finder "why is all my software so lost that i have to Find it?"03:52
luke-jrGiantTalkingCow: SuSE version is irrelevant03:53
GiantTalkingCowerrrr, Cupertino*03:53
GiantTalkingCowOkay then, name a good one: KDEMod?03:53
luke-jrGiantTalkingCow: vanilla KDE?03:53
julianoliverit's also all a bit 'Fisher Price'. that 3D dock is just really awful too. we'll look back at that and squirm.03:53
GiantTalkingCowVanilla or not, it's not the added stuff that bothers me, it's the basics of the system. Options and lack thereof.03:53
GiantTalkingCowjulianoliver: I squirmed when I first saw it. Thankfully, that sort of stuff is easily themeable, at least.03:54
GiantTalkingCowAs I can't hear you, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. It's really easy to modify.03:55
julianoliverGiantTalkingCow: if we're talking about OSX no, i really dislike it. i develop for/on it from time to time and also teach on it. my overall experience is one of frustration. i prefer not to use it.03:56
julianoliverbut anyway, this channel is about another platform!03:57
GiantTalkingCowTo each his own, I suppose. I find Linux to be a huge pain these days... well, on the desktop. Embedded and mobile versions are generally quite easy to work with, but things like drivers problems (bloody video drivers) tend to be a pain. And you're right, so back on topic: to those who've had an N900 for a while now, what's your opinion? I'm looking to grab a new smartphone....03:58
GiantTalkingCow...sometime in the next month.03:58
julianoliveri love the thing.03:58
julianoliverit's a little bulky, but once i chose to accept it as a very small, full featured computer with phone capability, it looks unusually small for it's capability.03:59
GiantTalkingCowHow's the keyboard? Big enough? Not prone to accidental key presses?03:59
luke-jrGiantTalkingCow: KDE is anything but lacking options04:00
julianoliveri can type now and quite a stride on it. much faster than i have been able on an iPhone or HTC soft kb.04:00
infobotjulianoliver meant: i can type now at quite a stride on it. much faster than i have been able on an iPhone or HTC soft kb.04:00
julianolivergood bot04:00
julianoliverGiantTalkingCow: the KB feels good. the action is great, the texture of the keys also.04:01
GiantTalkingCowluke-jr: Well, I am comparing KDE 4 to the 3.x series....04:01
* FIQ is going to buy a N900 very soon, in the weekend probably04:02
julianoliverbeing able to pull up a terminal and have a full debian system right there is quite a buzz.04:03
luke-jr... it's not Debian -.-04:03
julianolivera developer magnet for those that have learned to prefer Debian package management.04:03
luke-jrwhere is all this "Maemo is Debian" nonsense originating?04:04
GiantTalkingCowWhich is most people that have tried it, imo.04:04
GiantTalkingCowI assume he's not referring to Maemo, but the fact that you've been able to install Debian on the Nokia tablets for quite a while now. (the older ones, at least)04:04
julianoliverluke-jr: it's certainly 'Debian' enough for me. only once or twice have i found non Debian paths in /etc/. apt-* and dpkg are all synonymous with stock Debian. just great.04:04
luke-jrGiantTalkingCow: the context implies Maemo04:05
luke-jrjulianoliver: apt-* is obsolete for Debian and exists equally on Ubuntu, Xandros, et al04:05
julianoliverGiantTalkingCow: Maemo 5 uses apt/dpkg for package management. core configuration files and device handles are all debian synonymous.04:05
luke-jrapt/dpkg do not make a system Debian04:05
luke-jrwhat makes a system Debian are the Debian package repositories04:06
julianoliverluke-jr: Xandros and Ubuntu are Debian derivatives.04:06
luke-jrjulianoliver: derivatives, yes. Debian itself, no.04:06
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julianoliverluke-jr: i've been using Debian as my core OS since Potato. for all extensive purposes, Maemo is a 'Debian OS', within the broader family of operating systems.04:07
luke-jrjulianoliver: so you can 'aptitude install kde' and it will just work?04:07
julianolivers/extensive/extents\ and\ purposes/04:08
infobotjulianoliver meant: luke-jr: i've been using Debian as my core OS since Potato. for all extents\ and\ purposes purposes, Maemo is a 'Debian OS', within the broader family of operating systems.04:08
luke-jrinfobot's regex fails04:08
julianoliverluke-jr: i don't know. try it.04:08
luke-jrs/(?<=x/ support/04:08
julianoliveri'm out to catch some sun.04:08
luke-jrjulianoliver: the obvious answer is 'no' :p04:08
FIQi'm off04:11
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Disease++ all04:12
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pwnguinyay flashlight app04:33
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grondiluHi, can I use ekiga on a N900 ??  I see only skype, Google Talk, jabber and "SIP".  What is "SIP" ?  I tried that with my akiga account, it didn't work.04:46
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villagerekiga uses SIP, does it not?04:51
villageryou probably have to mess a bit with the settings but it should be possible to make it work04:52
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grondiluYsure, sip is the name of the protocol, but I thought it was a branding or something...04:53
grondiluSo "SIP" in the entry is the general accès to sip clients ?  Then Ekiga should work indeed.04:54
villagerwhat? Session Initiation Protocol? I don't think that's branding04:54
villageryeah, I've managed to set up my Gizmo5 account using SIP, you should be able to do the same with ekiga04:55
grondiluYes but maybe some company would have used it for its name.   But ok that was silly from me to think that.04:55
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grondiluOk I'll keep on trying to configure Ekiga using SIP04:55
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villagerfor Gizmo5, in the basic settings I had to use the full address (username@proxyserver)... in the advanced settings, only the username in the username field04:57
villagerand of course the correct proxyserver04:58
grondiluah yes I forgot, I'm behind a proxy.05:02
villagerSIP proxy is not the same as your proxyserver though05:02
grondiludamned,  that seems to too complex for me...05:03 provides the SIP proxy05:03
villagernot sure what it would be05:03
villagerlooks like maybe the proxy address is just ekiga.net05:04
grondiluin the advanced settings, what is the "ougoing proxy" ('proxy sortant')  ?05:06
villagerthat's the one I've been talking about... so you can just try ekiga.net05:06
grondiludoesn't work with ekiga.net05:08
grondiluI still get "non connected"05:08
villagerI'm not really sure how it works if you're behind a local proxy though, since I'm not... you probably need to set up the local proxy somewhere, though presumably you already did so for the web browser05:08
villagerI'm really not sure how SIP works behind a proxy05:10
villagerperhaps you should try to get it to work on an open network first, then messing with proxies later05:11
grondilubut my local proxy is very basic, I've just retrieved it from
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villagerhmm, that looks like NAT, not actually a proxy server05:12
grondiluit's quite the same, isn't it ?05:12
grondiluanyway is that the reason why I can't connect ?05:13
villagerif it's just NAT, then it should probably at least connect05:14
villagerwhat are your settings now?05:15
grondiluthere are pretty much the same (I just changed the interface names)05:16
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villagerare you running ekiga on the same LAN behind the same NAT gateway?05:20
grondiluyes, I think05:21
villagerhave you looked here:
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aspiditeshappy holidays05:24
grondiluseems relevant, indeed.  I'll have a look at that.05:25
villagerapparently you can install some sip proxy software on your gateway if you want, perhaps that'll help05:26
villagerif not, you have to make sure STUN is enabled I guess05:27
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grondiluaptitude search siprox =>  p   siproxd                                                 - SIP proxy/redirect/registrar05:36
grondiluI'll try that05:37
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grondiluno more success.05:41
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grondiludamned with google talk that's work !05:47
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spencer_got a really n00b n900 question to ask.  where do i upload my mp3/video onto the phone??05:51
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grondiluwhat do you mean exactly ?05:52
grondiluif you mean "in which directory",  anyone will do I think.05:53
spencer_if i want to upload a song to my phone and play it in the media player, should that be in /home/user or is there a specific folder?05:53
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grondiluI think the media player will find them anywhere you put them.  You'll have to clean your mess later if you really want to.05:53
spencer_ok.. cool.. i'll give it a try.05:54
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villagerspencer_: you should put it somewhere under MyDocs at least, much more disk space there05:55
pwnguinspencer_: when i connect it via usb05:55
pwnguintheres a hidden .sounds directory05:55
grondiluand a .videos indeed05:55
pwnguini just put it all ther05:56
pwnguinim sure it maps to somewhere in docs05:56
pwnguinMyDocs i mean05:56
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villageryeah, supposedly when you connect usb, MyDocs is exported over it05:58
villager.sounds is a subdirectory of MyDocs, but I decided to create my own directory ("Music") and put my stuff there instead of using .sounds05:59
microlithwhat's the usable space, minus upper and lower bar, for GUIs on the N900? 800x?05:59
villagerthat way the ringtones aren't part of my music collection05:59
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aspiditesnot sure microlith. best bet would be the hildon ui style guidelines i think06:01
microlithyeah, will take a look06:01
* microlith wishes he could get the ruby-hildon bindings to compile06:01
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aspiditesruby is pretty s*xy. i'm a defector though -- python06:02
microlithI got the ruby-gtk bindings to build and run06:02
microlithruby-glade too06:02
aspiditesi can't stand gtk :-\ hince why i learned python instead06:02
aspiditesdocumentation was pretty scarce to. or has that changed?06:03
microlithusing a different widget toolkit?06:03
aspiditesmessed with it at all microlith? i found it more pleasant to work with. though YMMV06:04
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aspiditesesp. with mameo06:04
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microlithaspidites: no, have not06:05
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grondiluhow can I make a SIP call with a N900.  I want to try an echo test but only numeric entries are accepted in the prompt (??).  I tried the echo test "" but it says the contact is not connected.06:07
grondiluoops forgot to erase beginning of phrase.  It's ok for alphabetic entry now.06:08
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villagerin the dialing app, you choose your SIP account on the top left "call type" thing, and type the address, I guess06:09
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grondiluneither nor works.06:12
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villagerfwiw, those don't work for me either from my Gizmo5 account, though Gizmo5's own echo service works for it06:23
grondilustrange, isn'it ?06:23
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grondilupff...  On my PC, with my Ekiga account and software, I can use, but not
grondilubut works with Ekiga !  (just found this number on the net)06:39
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CyZooNiCyou can try an echo test on my system *43@
grondiluit works on my PC06:46
grondiludoesn't work on my n90006:48
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grondilui'll try on my PC with my Google Talk account06:48
CyZooNiCdid it pick up the call?06:49
grondiluno: "contact off-line" (contact hors ligne)06:50
CyZooNiCI just tried with google talk and I get the same06:50
CyZooNiCI wonder if I need to have the number in a contact and have them online06:51
grondilubut it worked fine with ekiga06:52
CyZooNiCekiga is a sip provider?06:53
CyZooNiCdid you setup ekiga on your N900?06:54
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CyZooNiCsorry, I guess its pc software06:54
CyZooNiCwho do you connect to? gizmo5?06:54
grondiluGoogle talk06:55
grondiluGoogle talk on my n900, Ekiga on my PC06:55
CyZooNiCoh, k06:55
CyZooNiCdo you have a sip address?06:56
CyZooNiCyou are trying to call it from the N900 via google talk?06:56
Macerskype ftw06:56
Macerpretty soon google voice is going to start putting adds in that you have to listen to before the call is connected06:57
Macerit's all just a matter of time06:57
CyZooNiCI hope they don't do what they do with email and ads06:58
grondiluooh  google talk doesn't do VoIP ?06:58
CyZooNiCI dont think so, well not SIP06:58
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grondiluso why is it on N900's phone menu ???06:59
CyZooNiCyou can call Google talk clients07:00
grondiluwith live messaging ?07:00
CyZooNiCthey use XMPP07:00
CyZooNiCI'm not sure what you mean with live messaging. You can send IMs07:01
grondiluso again : if there's no voice, it should not be in N900's phone accounts menu.07:01
CyZooNiCit does voice, or so I thought07:01
grondiluanother protocol than SIP ?07:02
CyZooNiCbut not SIP, you can only call another Google Talk account07:02
grondiluthey use XMPP to transmit voice ?!07:02
CyZooNiCI think so07:02
grondiluI thought it was for irc07:03
CyZooNiCso if you have google talk open on your computer logged into another account than on your N900 you should be able to call it07:03
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CyZooNiCOn December 15, 2005, Google released libjingle, a C++ library to implement Jingle, "a set of extensions to the IETF's Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) for use in voice over IP (VoIP), video, and other peer-to-peer multimedia sessions."[18] Libjingle is a library of the code that Google uses for peer-to-peer communication, and was made available under a BSD license.[19]07:03
grondilupff..  I dont't want their stuff...  I'd like sip.07:05
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CyZooNiCYou can setup your sip provider on the N90007:05
grondiluI tried with ekiga but it didn't work07:05
CyZooNiCI have asterisk running and it works very well compared to what Nokia had in the early SIP days.07:06
grondiludid you have any pb with firewalls and things like that ?07:06
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CyZooNiCno, but the sip server I have is on a public network. I have more problems with firewalls and cisco phones than with the Nokias.07:07
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siriusnovaI think Nokia is ignoring us N900 users07:14
siriusnovai mean no firmware updates, a buggy product and no support from any of the Ovi Maps or Ovi Suite07:14
siriusnovaand then they wonder why apple eats their lunch in the smartphone market07:15
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povbotBug 36961: was not found.07:21
Macercan everybody here make an account and go vote for that thing?07:21
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RST38hHello, ladies and gentlemen07:43
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CyZooNiCthe N900 doesnt compete with the iphone07:59
CyZooNiCits a tablet that happens to be a phone07:59
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pwnguinsays who?07:59
CyZooNiCme :)07:59
pwnguinthis "doesn't compete" crap is kinda like 'not for critics'07:59
CyZooNiCiphone was desiged to be simple and that is why its locked to the core08:00
CyZooNiCI don't see the N900 as being a regular consumer device08:02
CyZooNiCbut that is me, Nokia may see it as being one08:02
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pwnguinis it a phone?08:05
pwnguincan you make calls on it?08:05
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CyZooNiCI guess08:05
pwnguini mean, its like 90 percent the same damn hardware, with the same damn kinds of programs08:06
pwnguinits like saying bmw and subaru don't compete08:06
pwnguinbecause bmw is designed for rich people08:06
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CyZooNiCno, I would see it more like a subaru vs a custom car made by a large automaker08:07
pwnguinso which isn't mass produced, the n900 or the iphone?08:08
pwnguinso those koreans, they're not in factories?08:08
aspiditesi can make calls on my computer. does that make it a phone?08:09
pwnguinaspidites: under duck typing, yes.08:10
pwnguinit might not be a good one08:10
pwnguinnot very portable08:10
aspiditesexcept in that case duck typing isn't practical08:11
Arkenoido you guys (those who sync calendar with google via MfE) have event "description" synced properly when entered on the web?08:11
Arkenoii get it blank always08:11
Arkenoidoes nuevasync solve that?08:11
CyZooNiCnot sure, let me check08:11
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aspiditesis down for anyone else btw?08:11
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pwnguinlook, if n900 was better than iphone in every way then this conversation wouldn't keep happening08:12
CyZooNiCArkenoi, I get blank descriptions also08:12
aspidites:-| no sooner than i ask does it go back up...08:12
CyZooNiCits not better than an iphone as a phone and easy of use08:12
pwnguinits not a phone, so don't expect...  good phone features08:13
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Arkenoipeople love multitouch. not because it is really more handy, just bceause they like how it feels.08:13
CyZooNiCbut its the first truly open device from a large phone maker.08:13
ArkenoiCyZooNiC, well, there was freerunner, but it sucked08:13
aspiditesi wonder if we will ever discuss something original :)08:13
luke-jrArkenoi: multitouch is possible w/ resistive :)08:14
CyZooNiCwhat good is multitouch if you can't pinch to zoom, thanks apple08:14
luke-jror at least, two-touch08:14
RST38hArkenoi: May I suggest a new cell phone form factor then?08:14
luke-jrCyZooNiC: N900 is *not* truly open08:14
Arkenoiactually n900 *has* good phone features. having decent voip and messaging is must for a good phone.08:15
luke-jrCyZooNiC: the N900's being closed is one of the major 2 reasons I haven't bought one08:15
RST38hArkenoi: as shown here:
CyZooNiCwhat part is not? the one where you can change your IMEI?08:15
Arkenoipeople just still do not understand it to the full extent08:15
luke-jrCyZooNiC: drivers08:15
CyZooNiCmost of those are from TI aren't they?08:16
ArkenoiRST38h, wow,  i like it, where can i buy one?08:16
RST38hArkenoi: No idea, you should ask Quim =)08:16
luke-jrCyZooNiC: N900 is the most open of current-generation handhelds, but don't get confused and think it is actually open to a useful degree :)08:17
luke-jrCyZooNiC: no, I'm not sure TI has any of those anymore08:17
aspidites"useful degree"?08:17
luke-jrCyZooNiC: one is Nokia, one is PowerVR08:17
luke-jraspidites: being able to replace the OS with something free08:17
RST38hSeriously though, if 99% people are not interested in VoIP on their cell phones, it is a no go08:17
luke-jraspidites: or otherwise maintain the device w/o Nokia08:17
CyZooNiCluke-jr, I see08:17
aspiditesluke-jr: ah.08:17
luke-jrCyZooNiC: there are more than 2, but those are the ones I know for sure08:18
RST38hIf 99% people want soft, warm, round phone with multitouch, it will sell though08:18
ArkenoiRST38h, voip is the future. the concepts of "long distance" and "roaming" are obsolete. cellular network operators should be reduced to data pipes.08:18
CyZooNiCluke-jr, I still thinkg the N900 is a good move in the right direction.08:18
luke-jrArkenoi: uhm, roaming is not obsolete in any sense...08:19
Arkenoii cannot see why one wants to pay ridiculous money just because he changed location or calling someone via "long distance"08:19
luke-jrCyZooNiC: from the N810, definitely08:19
CyZooNiCyes :)08:19
luke-jrArkenoi: "long distance" doesn't really exist for cell phones in general, regardless of VoIP08:19
RST38hArkenoi: The operators will disagree :)08:19
luke-jrat least in the USA08:19
RST38hAnd if they disagree, the public bends over.08:20
luke-jrunless you're dialing outside the country perhaps08:20
ArkenoiRST38h, no one cares ;-)08:20
RST38hOperators do not, indeed08:20
CyZooNiCsorry guys, got to go, gf is getting mad. gnight08:20
luke-jrCyZooNiC: the OpenMoko Freerunner (last generation) was a lot more open, but had other major usability issues :(08:20
luke-jrArkenoi: in the USA, it costs as much to call the other side of the country as it does across the street. from any cell phone.08:21
luke-jrand even for VoIP, termination rates vary by country08:21
luke-jrheck, even within countries08:22
RST38hYou wanted to say "by county"08:22
RST38hSome rural spots in the US have higher termination rates than overseas08:22
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luke-jrRST38h: depends on where you get your minutes08:23
ArkenoiUS termination rate is lowest in the world anyways08:23
luke-jrI pay a flat 1 cent per minute anywhere in the US08:23
RST38hluke: You always get termination from the local monopoly08:23
RST38hThe one which owns the wires08:23
luke-jrRST38h: termination needs not be from the local monopoly...08:23
luke-jrheck, all USA termination could theoretically be from a single gateway08:24
luke-jrlocal monopoly needs to compete with their nearby peers ;)08:24
luke-jroh hey, it's midnight... I can eat chicken and cookies now!08:25
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Macerinmarsat calls are like $2-3 on skype08:28
RST38hpretty much the same as without skype it seems08:29
Macerper minute :)08:29
RST38hYou did not know?08:29
Maceri guess i just used to take advantage of sat comm calling on ship haha08:29
RST38hMacer: And the military paid inmarsat $3/minute.08:30
Maceri must have wasted thousands of tax payer dollars calling home when they issued me one lol08:30
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luke-jrMacer: jerk08:30
Maceri guess that's why they try not to issue those things out :) i had an iridium phone08:30
Macerand would use it more than most people use cell phones here08:30
* RST38h remembers using sat phone from Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky at something like $7/minute08:30
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RST38hThere was a live operator who asked which ship we were on =)08:31
Macerlol. we had to do that sometimes when we found out how to route calls through military switches08:31
Macerthey tried to block as many automatic switches as they could08:31
Macerbut i had a list of live switches with actual people on the other end and they really didn't ask many questions08:32
luke-jrFCC should tell em 20 cents/min or they can't use those radio freqs <.<08:32
RST38hDoes not work like that =(08:32
MacerFCC doesn't own space08:32
RST38hAnd they do have lots of capital costs08:32
jkimball4when moving data from one maemo to another, what folders do i need to save when in mass storage mode?08:32
RST38hMacer: Oh but it does! Above US anyway.08:32
RST38hjkmiball4: Make a backup, move the backup file08:32
MacerRST38h: lol. i thought they already showed how far up airspace goes08:32
luke-jrMacer: FCC controls radio use from the USA08:33
Macerwasn't it like 100miles from land or something ?08:33
jkimball4RST38h: that'll have all the pics and shit?08:33
luke-jrthey could at least ban the use within USA08:33
RST38hjkimball4: Not sure, probably not08:33
Macerluke-jr: they are going to triangulate the one sat phone operating on an unregistered freq amongst billions of people?08:33
Macer:) good luck enforcing that one08:33
luke-jrMacer: not very hard08:33
RST38halso bad for free enteriprise, whatever it has come to mean in the US08:33
Macerare they going to send space men up there to shoot down the satellite?08:33
luke-jrMacer: that would be awesome :p08:34
luke-jrbut rather, just bomb it with a missile08:34
Macerit would cost them billions to take out a sat comm sat in space08:34
* Macer pictures frequency police in space08:34
Macersomeone should make a movie08:34
Macer"Put the ham radio down and come out with your hands up!"08:34
Macer"Do you have a permit for those ham freqs you are sending from space??? DO YOU?!?!"08:35
luke-jrMacer: go make a ham sandwich08:35
Maceri hate ham08:35
luke-jrhaha me too08:35
Maceri like bacon.. but ham is just gross08:35
Maceri think it has been raining for 10 days straight here08:36
luke-jrwhat really pisses me off08:36
luke-jris when I order a bacon pizza08:36
luke-jrand they put effing HAM on it08:36
Macerand they put ham on it? :)08:36
luke-jrand claim it is "Canadian bacon"08:36
luke-jrwtf are the Canadians smoking, I wonder??08:36
Macerthat's why i never order pizza with bacon08:36
luke-jrMacer: Domino's has it08:36
Maceri had that happen to me once08:36
Macerand i sent it back08:36
Macersaying "I said bacon. this is AMERICA.. BITCH!"08:37
Macerit wasn't the pizza man's fault. i specifically said ACTUAL BACON08:37
MacerNOT HAM08:37
Macerand they sent it with ham anyways :)08:37
luke-jrHyVee will make one with actual bacon too08:37
ArkenoiRST38h, i cannot understand why inmarsat is still alive. outdated technology, ridiculous prices - and still many new deployments08:39
Arkenoinot only limited to marine use, some people (dunno why) use it in places with pretty good globalstar, iridium and even thuraya coverage08:39
MacerArkenoi: because large shipping companies have CEOs that also own stock in it ;)08:41
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Macerso they deploy it in their fleets to pay the right hand with the left08:41
Macerplus. globalstar and iriduim are pretty damn expensive also hehe08:42
Maceryeah but i was just looking at the most expensive places to call with skype08:43
Macerand inmarsat was the most expensive08:43
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Maceri got these GE phones a while back that hook up to the switch and act as cordless phones. they are awesome. and at $3/month for unlimited US/Can calling you can't lose :)08:44
Maceri still don't understand why vonage is so expensive08:44
Arkenoiwell, calling inmarsat from cellphone costs you about $10/min here ;-)08:44
Macerwhen it is basically the same thing08:44
RST38hArkenoi: It is not alive08:44
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MacerArkenoi: it's 2-3/min using skype08:44
RST38hArkenoi: It went titsup, then US government bought it out for military use08:44
RST38hArkenoi: But the company still continues as a semi-private enterprise08:44
ArkenoiRST38h, wasn't that iridium?08:45
RST38hHmm...yes, maybe that was Iridium :)08:45
luke-jrMacer: because Vonage competes with POTS companies unfairly08:45
Macerluke-jr: so does skype08:45
Arkenoiinmarsat feels pretty good08:45
Macerand it's basically the same thing08:45
luke-jrMacer: yes, Skype is even worse08:45
RST38hArkenoi: Inmarsat seems to do a lot of maritime stuff08:45
Macerit's not unfairly08:45
Macerthey have a better infrastructure08:45
Arkenoias they have geostationary satellites which have quite long lifetime08:46
RST38hArkenoi: Maybe that is the niche that sustains them08:46
Macernot their fault the older companies have 10billion miles of copper08:46
luke-jrSkype is basically a worm08:46
Macera worm? :)08:46
RST38ha trojan, you wanted to say?08:46
luke-jrRST38h: perhaps that would better fit08:46
Maceris this #hackers ?08:46
luke-jrMacer: Skype hijacks *your* bandwidth for someone else's traffic08:46
Macerluke-jr: uhm. i monitor my pkts and haven't really seen too much as far as rerouting traffic for skype to unknown sources :)08:47
Arkenoino one cares about big bucks invested in zillion miles of copper or just into vapour of "cellular brands". that's their own fault for sure.08:47
luke-jrVonage even still has you paying a share for the infrastructure to connect to them08:47
luke-jrPOTS companies actually pay for real infrastructure08:47
Arkenoiluke-jr, that's why i do not use skype and stay with sip08:47
luke-jrso it's included in their prices08:47
Macerluke-jr: which is unnecessary now08:48
luke-jrVonage wants to charge the same prices but provide you with less08:48
Macerthe only infrastructure needed is a pipeline08:48
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Macerluke-jr: define less08:48
luke-jrMacer: Vonage does not provide the pipe08:48
Macerthey get the job done . and the service requested08:48
Arkenoiluke-jr, they sell data pipes and get paid for data pipes. no one cares they expected to make money from "long distance" forever.08:48
Macernor does skype08:48
luke-jrMacer: if you want to compare prices with POTS, you need to compare Vonage + DSL/Cable, not just Vonage08:48
Macerand since they don't provide the pipe.. why do they charge just as much as someone who does?08:48
Macerluke-jr: i agree08:49
luke-jrMacer: they charge as much because they compete unfairly08:49
Macerand right now with my skype line i am playing cable + $3/month08:49
luke-jrthey are abusing the average idiot who doesn't know better08:49
Macerplaying / paying08:49
luke-jrMacer: with Google Voice, I am paying Cable + $0/mo ;)08:49
Maceri don't trust google voice08:49
luke-jrme either, it's crap08:49
Macerpretty soon you will make a call and will have to hear an ad08:49
luke-jrit's 50/50 if I actually get calls08:49
Macerbefore the call is connected08:49
luke-jrbut I can live with that for now08:50
Macerit's just a matter of time. they are just building their base up first08:50
Macersooner or later then.. they are going to charge for it.. then raise prices. or force you to listen to 10 ads before being able to have your call go through08:50
luke-jrMacer: thankfully, you can always port your number somewhere else08:50
luke-jrand Google of course would need to give prior notice before such a change08:50
Macerafter that it's too late. your number is probably streamlined to a billion places :)08:50
luke-jrso the day they announce such a plan, I can port to some affordable alternative08:51
luke-jrMacer: they can't hijack numbers like that :)08:51
Macerjust like when they ask you for your email address at a retail outlet08:51
luke-jrnumber portability is actually a law08:51
Maceri remember a cashier asked for my email address and i was like08:51
Macer"So you can spam me?"08:51
Macer"No .. we don't do that."08:52
Macer"I don't have an email address."08:52
Macer"I'm amish"08:52
Maceri just refused to give it to her. that shit pisses me off. there has to be a better way to market than to email people who shop for you .. which in turn just pisses them off08:52
Macershop from you i should say08:53
Macerzimbra needs jabber conferencing in the web ui08:54
Macerand persistant conferences in the admin ui08:54
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wazdmornin' everybody09:23
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fdvmorning. When editing the phone numbers for contacts on the n900, the dual keys for letters and numbers only work in 'number mode'. is this a property of some hildon entry widget or is it specially tailored for the contacts app?09:55
Maceri tell you one of the funniest west wings was the damn one where they miss the presidential motorcasde and are stuck hitch hiking across the US to get from indiana to DC09:56
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RST38hheya wazd10:40
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Vengefulhi guys11:22
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Vengefuli really need to ask something about n900, can i? :|11:22
Stskeepsthat'll be 5 USD for askin11:22
Vengefulgeez, we are under holidays :D11:22
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Vengefuland btw merry christmas to all11:23
RST38hHolidays are charged at $10.11:23
Vengefuljust received my n90011:23
RST38hGo ahead.11:23
Vengefulbut it keeps locking and restarting11:23
Vengefulevery now and then11:23
Vengefuljust playing it around a litlle11:23
Vengefuland got 5 locks and restarts11:24
Vengefulis that normal?11:24
Stskeepsget it replaced or look at for temp solution11:24
swc|666how do i get past this in the SDK?
Vengefulso it's broken, or can be reflashed?11:24
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StskeepsVengeful: sec11:29
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Vengefuli did download all the necessary to reflash, because that can't get it any worse :(11:31
StskeepsVengeful: if you have a shot at getting a replacement, i would take it11:33
Stskeepslet me drag out the bug repboport for you11:34
Vengefulwell i got it directly from nokia center here in italy11:35
Vengefuli preordered it11:35
povbotBug 6334: random HW watchdog reboots (/proc/bootreason contains "32wd_to")11:35
Vengefuli can ask them to replace11:35
Stskeepstest if the off mode stuff helps you11:35
Vengefuli would like to try but11:40
Vengefuli'm no linux everyday user how unfortunate...11:40
Stskeepsthen act as a customer and state your device is rebooting a lot, and return it11:41
Stskeepsthat should get the device in the right hands11:41
Vengefulreflashing it will void it's warranty?11:41
Stskeepsnah, it's pretty standard behaviour11:41
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Vengefulso that'll be my first try i think11:42
Vengefuli'm not so lolled about :11:43
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StskeepsVengeful: it's the same procedure nokia software update does so11:44
Vengefulso if something goes wrong i can say that it was nokia SU !!11:45
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odinmho ho ho merry christmas12:37
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Stskeepsbest way to spend your christmas: building a os2007 kernel for n80012:42
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fralsid say playing with wappushd is a better way!13:07
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BluesLeewith whom i talked the last time about evopedia (an offline wikipedia reader)?13:08
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LuciusMarei cant connect to my wifi with my n900,it always fails.13:17
LuciusMarei can connect to it with other devices13:17
Vengefulu're lucky13:18
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Vengefulmine is keeping rebooting,13:18
Vengefulstarting nokia software update, and stucked with a white nokia screen :D13:18
WolfieVengeful: thought of returning on warranty?13:18
LuciusMarethat is called a "brick"13:18
F_hello I've got a problem it seems like I can't flash my n90013:18
Vengefulbecause i bought full price on the official local nokia store? yes :D13:19
Vengefulbut i can still reflash it right?13:19
F_i have installed the flasher 3.513:19
Vengefulso i'm installing xp on a second machine...13:19
VengefulF_ i'm trying that too because nokia SU got stuck13:19
LuciusMarei set my wifi to "no encryption"13:20
LuciusMarestill fails13:20
LuciusMarehow can i troubleshoot it?13:20
F_and use this command: flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R13:20
ifreqLuciusMare: sure you dont have any MAC access list on wifi ap13:20
Vengefuli'm trying it from vmware XD13:20
F_but when I connect the devise to the pc and keep u pressed nothing happens13:21
LuciusMareifreq: kill me13:21
F_and I can not start the n900 by pressing the powerbutton13:21
LuciusMarewhere can i get MAC adress of my n900?13:21
F_just bei insterting the charger oder usb cable13:21
F_could someone maybe help me with this problem?13:22
Vengefuloh well stores are closed now, so i'll try to reflash installing a little xp on a partition13:22
Vengefultoo bad for a top device like this13:22
ifreqLuciusMare: open xterm --> gainroot --> ifconfig -a13:23
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LuciusMarewow, i need root to run ifconfig? :o13:24
ifreqthats very normal13:24
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ifreqno normal user should need of nic interface info13:24
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LuciusMareafter hiding SSID,fails again13:26
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LuciusMarejust after unchecking the hide ssid box13:27
LuciusMareit connected well13:27
BluesLeeis a maemo mapper user here?13:27
TomaszDgood day #maemo13:27
LuciusMareTomaszD: hi13:28
HukkaIs there a reasonable way to compress video before sharing it from fremantle?13:28
BluesLeei cant read the text in maps/manage sources13:28
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odinmwireless access has ben good for me so far with n90013:33
BluesLeerendering in maemo mapper doesnt seem to be shape enough for me, i guess i can configure this somewhere?13:33
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rmrfchik is there any accountion application for maemo5?13:43
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* RST38h moos evilly13:51
derfMoo RST38h.13:52
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RST38hderf: heya! know by any chance how long it takes for a package between promotion to extras and showing up in Downloads?13:54
RST38h'cause it looks like this pipeline is stuck again13:54
derfRST38h: No idea. I've never made it that far.13:54
wazd_n800RST38h, moo13:55
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RST38hderf: eh.13:58
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derfGiven their previous track-record, I'd assume it'll be stuck until after New Year's.13:59
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rmrfchikno one knows personal accounting app for maemo5?14:04
wazd_n800what's accounting?)14:04
threshсчета вести, очевидно14:05
threshsorry for russian ;)14:05
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wazdthresh: oh, I've been thinking bout some other accounting :D14:07
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RST38hUTF-8. Yuck.14:08
mikhasrmrfchik, you could try to create a db template for/with glom (
rmrfchikwazd: personal finance14:10
rmrfchikthresh: bingo14:11
rmrfchika-la gnucash may be14:11
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* RST38h seems t remember some finance program since Diablo times14:25
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rmrfchiki found grisbi for os2006... quiet old14:30
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wazdcan anyone show me a shot of xChat for maemo5 please?14:36
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wazdfrals: thx a lot14:55
* Arkenoi just connected mrpo120 to n900. omfg, it works 8-)14:56
Shadikkaconnected a what to n900?14:57
threshArkenoi: wtf?14:57
inzLikely mpro12014:58
inzBy 3m14:58
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timeless_mbphi inz15:03
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inztimeless, 'lo15:04
* timeless_mbp is in London15:05
inzHaving a merry christmas?15:05
timeless_mbpnot being a christian, i'm doing work :)15:06
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timeless_mbpi pushed someone else's fix for mozilla1.9.215:06
timeless_mbpand i updated my l10n package for n900 1.115:06
inzWell, everyone does as they see best.15:06
timeless_mbpa woman assaulted the pope?15:07
* timeless_mbp sighs15:07
ShadikkaMy friend was there :P15:07
threshshe tried to hug him15:07
timeless_mbpwould someone please shoot someone @nokia for me?15:07
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Vengefulhi guys15:09
Vengefulit seems i can't reflash my n900 because it's bricked, and xp doesn't recognize its update mode15:09
Vengefulany help? :|15:10
timeless_mbpVengeful: using flasher3.5 or ?15:11
timeless_mbpinz/wazd: what's a destination langauge?15:11
infobottimeless_mbp meant: inz/wazd: what's a destination language?15:11
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timeless_mbpcute the next screen uses a substandard width font15:11
inztimeless, of course the language of the place you want to go to!-)15:12
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timeless_mbpoh right!15:13
inztimeless, then you can have the language problems before even arriving!15:13
timeless_mbpcheck out the heading there15:14
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felipectimeless_mbp: I gave up trying to figure out Nokia's understanding of internationalization when I found Suomi (Suomi) is a location, and so is Español (América Latina)15:15
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Stskeepswazd: got a new marina template yet?15:16
timeless_mbpfelipec: yeah well15:16
timeless_mbpthey're priorities15:16
timeless_mbp"We must support these localizations!"15:16
timeless_mbp"We must not translate them"15:16
timeless_mbp"We must use them everywhere"15:16
timeless_mbp"Translations are regional, so they must be regions, right?"15:17
wazdStskeeps: well, sort of :)15:17
felipectimeless_mbp: yeap, and of course everyone is living on the country they grew up in15:18
timeless_mbpfelipec: like me15:18
timeless_mbpi mean, here i am in London, which must be the country I grew up in15:19
timeless_mbpoh wait. is London not part of the greater U S of A?15:19
timeless_mbpand where I am, Finland, that last bastion of communism, that's part of the U S A too, right? they speak broken English there, so it must be....15:19
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infobottimeless_mbp meant: and where I live, Finland, that last bastion of communism, that's part of the U S A too, right? they speak broken English there, so it must be....15:20
* timeless_mbp sighs15:20
* timeless_mbp needs to go outside and enjoy the Sun15:20
timeless_mbpit's a rare treat for me...15:20
derfYou must be in a different London than the one I know.15:20
rmrfchiki wonder will n900 run upcoming maemo6?15:20
timeless_mbpoh clever15:21
timeless_mbpderf: if you're nearby...15:21
felipecLondon Minnesota :)15:21
derffelipec: Haha.15:21
derfThat one might not be covered in fog.15:21
Stskeepswazd, will be glad to  to have a copy :P15:21
Stskeepsof the template15:21
timeless_mbpsadly, there's actually a second London in the n900 Clock15:21
derftimeless_mbp: No, I _am_ in the U S A.15:22
jreznikrmrfchik: I hope so, I'm trying to get into maemo development and gtk world is really strange one... I can understand embedded developers using C but... (no flame pls :D)15:22
timeless_mbpjreznik: learning gtk now to work on maemo makes very little sense15:23
timeless_mbpnot flaming, just friendly advice15:24
Stskeepsjreznik: qt might be a better choice15:24
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mikhaserm ... only if you think there will be no GTK+ for maemo6 ...15:24
jreznikqt is not very well integrated yet :(15:25
timeless_mbpmikhas: what part of nokia's roadmap for maemo wouldn't have given you that idea?15:25
felipecif I'm traveling in Russia I don't think I would be able to select the right region (Россия), and then, I doubt they would be able to figure the timezone with that :p15:25
jreznikgtk & c is strange combination, I'm using usually PyGtk - then it's usable15:26
mikhashuh? since when does need nokia's help to run a community port?15:26
timeless_mbpfelipec: you're asked to pick a timezone15:26
mikhasjreznik, good choice15:26
timeless_mbpmikhas: inclusion in the box..15:26
felipectimeless_mbp: ah, right, after selecting the region15:27
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timeless_mbpfelipec: only problem is if you like region=USA and are living in the Old World and thus need a timezone that isn't covered.15:29
* timeless_mbp watches windows boot again15:29
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jreznikmikhas: I still prefer Qt but first I'd like to get into "native" Maemo development before porting Makneto (our KDE whiteboarding app) to pure Qt & Maemo15:29
* timeless_mbp is going to try the new Ovi Map Loader w/ an n90015:29
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timeless_mbpjreznik: that's a huge waste of effort15:29
mikhaspyqt then =)15:29
Stskeepsin firtst boot wizard?15:29
Stskeepsalso, be more specific15:30
Stskeepssorry, lag15:30
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felipectimeless_mbp: lol, The Old Wolrd... it has been a while since I've heard that phrase :)15:30
timeless_mbpit doesn't get newer :)15:31
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jrezniktimeless_mbp: but nice way how to get used to the new platform ;-) (and it's saying former OM FreeRunned user/developer :D)15:32
mikhasjreznik, what happens if you just compile makneto? some first screenshots?15:32
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jreznikmikhas: first I have to get rid of KDE extensions but it should be relatively easy15:33
mikhasyeah, start with that15:34
mikhasI've just watched your screencast15:34
* timeless_mbp sighs15:34
timeless_mbpthe ovi maps loader installer installed an uninstaller to my w7 start menu15:34
timeless_mbpare the guys working on that app really that clueless?15:34
mikhasit doesnt look as if you need to rewrite complex UI widgets?15:34
mikhasso perhaps the current level of integration of either qt 4.5 or 4.6 is sufficient?15:35
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LuciusMarewhere can i find nintendo (GBA,SNES) emulator for maemo?15:35
jreznikmikhas: the whole thing needs rewrite - we haven't touch it for ages but as prototype it was nice but now I see more wide usage - with touchscreen phones etc., so we'd like to start again... but for testing purposes - no big rewrites are needed15:36
mikhasah, I see15:37
ifreqlucius try google. itd not legally colmpliant so its not in repos15:37
mikhasugh, polish commit comments? =p15:37
ifreqbut .deb exists15:37
LuciusMareifreq: and what about the optify?15:37
ifreqdunno bout optify15:37
LuciusMareso another question.15:38
LuciusMarehow can i optify apps?15:39
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n900evilit's like how you shot web.15:40
lcukLuciusMare, heppy christmas15:40
oscillikn900evil: hah15:41
LuciusMareso its not *that* hard?15:41
wazdStskeeps: sure :)15:41
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timeless_mbpoh brother.15:45
timeless_mbpthe nokia map downloader app will kill itself if the network goes away15:45
timeless_mbpthat's really mobile friendly15:45
LuciusMarewait a minute15:45
LuciusMarewhy is it illegal?15:45
LuciusMareas long as it does not come with ROMs,i guess its legal...15:46
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ifreqit isnt15:46
ifreqnintendo didnt like it15:46
LuciusMareandroid has a lot of emulators *in repos*15:47
ifreqyou can read all abt it from google15:47
ifreqsnes/gba emu too?15:47
LuciusMarei dont want to mess my phone15:48
timeless_mbpi've never used ovi maps on my n900?15:48
wazdW7 reminds me maemo this way :)15:49
squiddifreq: more like nintendo didnt like nokia showing some games in some vids15:49
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timeless_mbpwazd: you're saying the nokians who wrote this awful ui remind you of the ones who brought you maemo?15:50
ifreqsquidd anyways it wa removed from repos because of that15:50
timeless_mbpi think the maemo nokians should feel insulted15:50
LuciusMaresquidd: and as i read about the case, they only didnt like that nokia said that the emulators need spearate ROMS15:50
wazdtimeless_mbp: nono, windows 7 UI15:50
wazdtimeless_mbp: with taskbar on the left15:50
timeless_mbpwazd: taskbar defaults to bottom, not left15:51
squiddifreq: yes, nokia did that cos they paniced :D15:51
timeless_mbpbut yeah, maemo3/4 reminded me of windows :)15:51
timeless_mbphrm, w7 is searching for drivers for my n81 8gb from windows update15:52
squiddLuciusMare: yes, cos apparently ROM's are in 99% of cases illegally downloaded15:52
LuciusMaresquidd: yes15:52
LuciusMaresquidd: lets be the one percent!15:52
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timeless_mbpLuciusMare: i'd bet 1% is overstating it15:52
squiddi tried some snes games, wasnt so impressed :P15:52
Vengefulit seems that i flashed wrong file15:53
timeless_mbpVengeful: how'd you manage that?15:53
Vengeful"was trying to flash"15:53
Vengefulwell i flashed the second one15:53
Vengefuland it come alive15:53
Vengefuland it seems that is not random rebooting too15:53
swc|666finally got a fully working iptables 0.015:54
Vengefulyesterday was like 4 times in 5 minutes15:54
* timeless_mbp wonders why people are randomly flashing stuff anyway15:54
Vengefuli was flashing15:54
Vengefulbecause of the random reboots15:54
Vengefuli would have take it to the service center where i bought15:54
Vengefulso i tried here...15:55
derfRandom reboots are normal.15:55
Vengefulyes sure15:55
squiddLuciusMare: basicly the question is: is it legal to download a rom if you own the game already15:55
Vengefulit's not as mature as it should be15:55
timeless_mbpw7 driver installation is funny15:55
Vengefulbut not 4 times in a row15:55
Vengefulin 5 minutes of just wandering in the options15:55
derfIt's an effort to make it feel more like Windows.15:55
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Vengefulmy win never crash tho :|15:55
derfBut seriously, the watchdog timer is pretty easy to trigger.15:55
Vengefulbut i'm no linux everyday user15:56
gabba_gandalfhey all. i'm going to buy me a new mobile telephone. watchin the n900 at the moment. can you recommend me some alternatives to this?15:56
Vengefulso it's all difficult for me, even if i'm a power user15:56
squiddgabba_gandalf: pretty much depends what you need15:57
gabba_gandalfi heared something about a mid from gigabyte, but i cant find it where to buy15:57
lcukgabba_gandalf, learn to engadget15:58
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gabba_gandalfsquidd: want moblin, browsing internet, can be a little bit bigger but should fit in my pants bags15:58
squiddgabba_gandalf: n900 is pretty nice for browsing and stuff15:59
gabba_gandalflcuk: sry, my english is bad ^^ what do you mean?15:59
gabba_gandalfsquidd: yeah, but i heared the touchscreen is not very good, is there an alternative? i mean there isn't smth else atm16:00
Vengefulthat is the best MID to go in internet16:00
gabba_gandalfVengeful: the n900 ord that from gigabyte?16:00
squiddgabba_gandalf: i dunno who is saying that touchscreen isnt good. i think its very good16:00
gabba_gandalfsquidd: kk, than i'll belive you :)16:00
gabba_gandalfVengeful: kk, then i'll buy this one i think. is moblin runnign stable on it? a friend said that it hangs sometimes and crashes16:01
* timeless_mbp eyes gabba_gandalf 16:03
gabba_gandalfGIGABYTE’s M528 is interesting, but i can't find it to buy16:03
timeless_mbpyou're very confusing16:03
swc|666uh, could someone tell me if there is anything in their /usr/local/libexec/ folder on their n900 ?? i accidentally overwrote mine :|16:03
gabba_gandalftimeless_mbp: why? ^^16:03
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timeless_mbpwhy are you confusing? dunno, perhaps it takes talent and you have it?16:03
gabba_gandalftimeless_mbp: oO16:04
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gabba_gandalftimeless_mbp: sry, maybe its my bad english16:04
timeless_mbpmaybe. hard to tell, that certainly doesn't help matters16:04
timeless_mbpare you interested in an n900 or another product that runs Maemo?16:05
timeless_mbpthere are a couple16:05
timeless_mbproughly speaking, things which aren't running Maemo are offtopic here16:05
gabba_gandalftimeless_mbp: yes, i know, thats because i'm in this channel :D16:05
timeless_mbpthe n800, n810, and n900 run Maemo16:05
timeless_mbpthey do not out of the box run moblin16:05
gabba_gandalftimeless_mbp: the n900 is the best to get at the moment i think16:05
timeless_mbpnor would discussing their ability to do so be on topic here16:05
timeless_mbproughly speaking Moblin would be a competitor to Maemo16:06
gabba_gandalftimeless_mbp: n900 doesn't run maemo out of the box?16:06
timeless_mbpif it weren't dead or forgotten16:06
oscilliktimeless_mbp: that said, this is IRC - not the third reich16:06
timeless_mbposcillik: and gabba_gandalf is confused16:06
timeless_mbpso it's worth a bit of education16:06
timeless_mbpgabba_gandalf: Maemo != Moblin16:06
gabba_gandalftimeless_mbp: ahhhhh sry, i think i have a mistake with moblin and maemo...16:07
gabba_gandalftimeless_mbp: give me a moment16:07
timeless_mbpMSDOS != DRDOS16:07
timeless_mbpthey both were 'disk operating systems'16:07
timeless_mbpbut they were ostensibly competitors16:07
gabba_gandalfyeah, i'm confusing, you are right ^^ give me a moment to think about it16:07
swc|666PLEASE.. someone with an n900, tell me if their /usr/local/libexec/ is empty or not16:08
oscillikon a side note, i'd just like to say that Maemo beats Android for my personal requirements....except i do miss Google Maps16:08
gabba_gandalfok, forget moblin, i mean maemo16:08
gabba_gandalfbut i'll go to buy the n900 i think16:08
oscillikswc|666: checking now16:08
swc|666oscillik, thx16:08
fralsswc|666: dont have that dir ;+16:09
oscillikyeah same here16:09
oscillikdon't have that directory16:09
swc|666awesome! thx guys16:09
gabba_gandalfcYa @ all, thanks for the infos16:10
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* oscillik <3 his N900, especially now the Nokia Messaging seems to be working okay16:10
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* Arkenoi found that using the same google account for email push via NM and for calendar sync via MfE -> trouble, failed outgoing emails 16:17
oscilliki found that having over 100 emails in my inbox was causing NM to choke. this is VERY BAD, this shouldn't happen. i hope Nokia fix this soon16:18
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* Arkenoi thinks i'd prefer just working sync with google without using nm16:19
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oscillikArkenoi: that is why we need to vote on the bug report for IMAP_IDLE16:19
oscilliki have already done so, i suggest you do the same :)16:20
* Arkenoi already voted ;-)16:20
oscillikgood man/woman/carbon based lifeform16:20
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CZiand good morning for some16:35
b-man17happy holidays :)16:37
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CZiand to you too16:38
cehtehanyone working on a sftp or ftp thing for the share api? .. let one easily push things to his own server16:41
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timeless_mbpcehteh: i tried to get someone to do scp16:42
timeless_mbpor was that you?16:42
cehtehscp would be nice too16:43
cehtehhehe and i just try to share a photo to ovi .. doesnt seen to work yet?16:43
timeless_mbpoffhand, i thought it did16:44
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cehteh13kb .. takes ages now ..16:45
oscillikhmmm i wonder if there's a port of FLAC to maemo16:47
oscillikand i wonder how the N900 would handle converting it16:47
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timeless_mbp(please pretend you didn't see that address)16:48
CZianyone know how to reinstall the "calender" app if removed16:48
timeless_mbphow did you 'remove' it?16:48
timeless_mbpthere's no ui to do such a silly thing16:48
oscilliktimeless_mbp: is that the commandline encoder/decoder though?16:48
timeless_mbpthat's kinda like asking "how can i reinsert my barbie doll's head"16:49
timeless_mbposcillik: *shrug*16:49
timeless_mbpthat's "google"16:49
oscilliki really want to get rid of the games on my N900 :(16:49
oscillikthanks timeless_mbp, i'll give it a try :)16:49
oscillikmight just try 'apt-get install flac'16:49
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CZiapt-get remove calender16:49
oscilliktry apt-get install calendar?16:49
* oscillik thumbs up16:50
cehtehdoesnt mplayer do flac?16:50
CZi"no such app"16:50
CZireflash is not nice16:50
oscillikcehteh: i don't just want to play the FLACs, i want to be able to encode WAVs on my N900 as FLAC using the commandline16:51
cehtehmencoder :P16:51
CZicalender should be an app like all others, remove/install as needed?16:51
timeless_mbpCZi: removing barbie's head isn't nice either16:51
timeless_mbpit hurts her when you do that16:51
oscillikCZi: it's not nice, no. but i've already reflashed 4 times since i bought my handset last saturday16:51
ShadowJKoscillik, ogg-support from extras makes the media player able to play flac files16:51
timeless_mbpCZi: calendar isn't an app like that16:51
timeless_mbpif it was, it'd be viewable in add/remove16:51
timeless_mbp(if you install my strings, you'll see add/remove)16:51
timeless_mbpit isn't16:51
CZiit is not possible to get DEB package16:51
ShadowJKoh, you want the 'flac' command16:51
oscillikShadowJK: as stated, i do not wish to merely play FLAC files, i wish to be able to encode a WAV file to a FLAC16:52
timeless_mbpit's roughly like deleting 'explorer.exe'16:52
oscillikyes yes :)16:52
timeless_mbpCZi: as an end user? correct, it isn't possible16:52
oscillikjust wondering how it'd handle it16:52
timeless_mbpthere are no published debs for things which aren't updated and aren't optional16:52
oscillikCZi: just reflash - it's not that hard, and you can backup your data16:52
timeless_mbpCZi: stop biting Barbie's head off16:53
cehtehmhm missing search apps .. emails, contacts or globally ...16:53
timeless_mbpthat's not really covered under your average service contract16:53
timeless_mbpcehteh: yep, yep, yep16:53
timeless_mbpCZi: if you really want to do it16:53
oscilliktimeless_mbp: i'm sure there is a beheading clause16:54
timeless_mbpnext time, use a script that rebuilds debs of the system packages before you remove them16:54
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timeless_mbposcillik: in Barbie's sale papers?16:54
cehteh  .. and multiple apn's16:54
timeless_mbpi think she comes w/o warrantees16:54
cehtehi hope the next firmware will be a big update16:54
* CZi of to do the reflash dance16:55
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timeless_mbpcehteh: it isn't16:55
timeless_mbpassuming you mean 1.116:55
cehtehoscillik: flac encoding should be hacked into the 'recorder' app :)16:55
timeless_mbpwhich people can ask for now to do early testing16:56
oscillikcehteh: hmmm now THAT would be interesting16:56
oscilliki currently use a Hi-MD recorder to record PCM files, but having the ability to record FLAC audio on my N900 would certainly be useful16:56
cehtehtimeless: whoever you asked to do a scp share things .. was he interested?16:57
oscillikalthought with the fidelity of the built in mic, it'd be questionable really to use FLAC16:57
timeless_mbpcehteh: it's in the logs, he seemed like he might think about it16:57
timeless_mbpbut i'd encourage you to nibble16:57
timeless_mbpfirst come first service16:57
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cehtehoscillik: sure yes, but you dont want to destroy bad recording by lossy compression further and you can plug in a better mic, while i donno how well the preamp and adc is16:58
cehtehcurrently it only stores in pcm .. that sux .. should be at least use the dsp to store in one of the cell-phone codecs16:59
timeless_mbpCZi: if you insist on breaking stuff17:00
timeless_mbpthe script and its relatives might work17:00
timeless_mbpno promises17:01
timeless_mbpi don't think i grab everything, but it's a start17:01
oscillikcehteh: erm, how does PCM suck? PCM is the equivilent of WAV17:01
oscillikunless it's using some strange sampling rate17:01
timeless_mbpsince wave is just a container17:02
timeless_mbpwhich typically holds some pcm..17:02
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cehtehoscillik: space wise .. if you only want to record some speech for transcription you dont need exellent quality but you want to conserve space17:03
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cehtehuses 32khz as far as i seen17:03
cehtehhey its a cell phone :)17:03
oscillikahh yes that is a weird sampling rate to use17:03
SplasPoodanyone know the status of libc6-dev?17:03
oscillikshould be 16bit/44.1KHz17:03
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* oscillik just pondered the awesomeness of being able to record 24bit/96KHz audio with the N90017:04
cehteherr 22khz17:04
oscillikahh yes, 22KHz is even worse!17:04
cehtehits common in telephony17:04
cehtehdunno what the device supports17:05
oscillikthe device certainly supports playback at 44.1KHz17:05
cehteheven 48khz17:05
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cehteh(or does it resample those?)17:05
oscillikhmmm not sure17:05
oscilliki did throw a 48KHz WAV file at it earlier and it played it with aplomb17:06
oscillikno idea if it resampled though17:06
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cehtehthe internal mediaserver uses the dsp .. not easy to figure out whats going on there17:07
oscillikdoes anyone know if there is a spec sheet for the DSP? i would imagine it'd be capable of doing ADC at 44.1KHz17:07
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cehtehuhm is it possible to restart the mediaserver? mine seems to be out for lunch17:08
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cehtehtime for reboot .. grr17:10
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felipeccehteh: by media server you mean the deamon? if it's the DSP stuff: dsp stop && dsp start17:15
cehtehah thanks .. but i rebooted now17:16
timeless_mbpSplasPood: the status of libc6-dev?17:17
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timeless_mbp-dev stuff should typically be in the sdk repo17:17
timeless_mbpand you should typically use that from a scratchbox/sdk17:18
SplasPoodtypically, I suppose this is true ;)17:19
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LuciusMaren900's got a LED for taking photos,is there an app to light it up as a flashlight?17:20
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zashLuciusMare: there were talks about that yesterday17:21
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LuciusMarezash: and?17:22
zashLuciusMare: /lastlog says flashlight and liqtorch17:23
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cehtehsomeone wants to make an app to configure the notification light colors?17:24
timeless_mbpcehteh: heh17:25
LuciusMareliqtorch just makes the display white17:25
cehtehLuciusMare: Flashlight works17:25
zashAllows you to use flash LEDs as a flashlight.17:26
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LuciusMareis it in extras?17:26
cehtehtimeless_mbp: would be useful and not too complicated17:26
timeless_mbpoh not too complicated i'll buy17:27
timeless_mbpuseful i question17:27
timeless_mbphave you seen tweakr?17:27
timeless_mbpi claim that your thing belongs there17:27
timeless_mbpso... either ask that guy to do it, or offer him the code17:27
cehtehis the mce free or closed?17:27
timeless_mbphe's alive and responsive17:27
timeless_mbpmce.ini is human readable17:27
cehtehyes .. but i meant the daemon code17:28
timeless_mbpbut the code is closed, it's also irrelevant :)17:28
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cehtehcontrol notification light based on ambient light sensor for example :)17:28
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timeless_mbpand the guys who touch/read it are fairly willing to augment any missing documentation about things like mce.ini17:28
cehtehtimeless: no its not irrelevant17:28
timeless_mbpoh yuck17:28
luke-jrcehteh: it is on Christmas17:29
luke-jrget off IRC you shut-ins!17:29
timeless_mbpwell, the ambient sensor is available17:29
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cehtehi am atheist :P17:29
timeless_mbpluke-jr: not my holiday :)17:29
timeless_mbpbut i have to shower, because the sun is setting17:29
timeless_mbp(it sets much later hear in London than in HEL)17:29
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LuciusMa1en900 is arm or i386?17:37
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oscillikLuciusMare: it tells you on the handset itself, on the rear of the display when you slide it up to access the keyboard17:39
oscillikit states: "ARM Cortex-A8 | 32GB"17:40
luke-jroscillik: I would *hope* a question like that is pre-purchase. Anyway, he left.17:40
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oscillikyay for lag :(17:40
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oscillikit'll be a strange day when Nokia uses i386 CPUs in their handsets17:41
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Vengefulany good page like "customizing" your maemo? XD17:49
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LuciusMarei downloaded the flashight .deb manually - and installed it. (i know, i know) But it doesnt seem to install properly,mit didnt appear in menu or any of folders17:51
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LuciusMareanybody installed flashlight and worked?17:53
cehtehyou'd rtfm?17:54
cehtehit not easy discoverable :)17:55
n900evilluc: yes17:55
n900evilluc: worked for me17:55
LuciusMarei didnt17:57
LuciusMarewhere can i find flashlight?17:57
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cehtehcomeon, rtfm we dont want to type it here17:58
fredrinanyone treid Fremantel pr 1.1? what's new?17:58
LuciusMarecehteh: okay17:58
LuciusMarewhere can i find the manual for it?17:59
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aspiditesmanual for what?18:00
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LuciusMarei guess for flashlight18:01
LuciusMareor no?18:01
cehtehLuciusMare: program manager -> desinstall -> flashlight -> details18:01
cehtehwell and dont deinstall it, i just dont know another way how to access package descriptions18:02
LuciusMarei tap status menu18:03
LuciusMareand there's just battery,bluetooth...18:03
LuciusMareno flashlight18:04
cehtehdo you have the camera cover open?18:04
cehtehthe whole time?18:04
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cehteh.. since you installed it? maybe close and open it again ..18:05
tealbirdDoes anyone find esbox useful?18:05
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LuciusMarei'll just reboot18:05
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aspiditesbtw, apt-cache search app_name shows package description too (though it will show more results than just the one package. looking into how to isolate that18:08
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cehtehaspidites: well i wanted some gui way for him18:09
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aspiditescehteh: ah.18:09
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cehtehwould be nice if the progmananger had a packages search in the main menu and, displaying description etc and then either install or uninstall18:10
cehtehkindof other way around to use it18:10
cehtehlist all packages/maybe filter by search and choose action then18:11
aspiditescehteh: yeah, that's why i use apt-get, apt-cache, and dpkg. actually i just wrapped them all up into a python script18:12
aspiditesalso, gui can't install more than one thing at once from what i can tell18:12
cehtehi am old fart dselect user :P18:12
aspiditesdselect isn't on n900 though :-(18:12
cehtehyes and more annoying after you install a package the list is displayed from the start and not where you left of18:13
cehtehthat doesnt scale18:13
aspiditescehteh: agreed. though, if i remember, the same isn't true for uninstalling18:13
cehtehwell i guess we will see better/improved frontend in future18:14
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aspiditesi take that back. same for uninstalling :-(18:14
aspiditescehteh: while we are on it, i think the biggest annoyance is that things installed via command line don't show up in the current pacakge manager18:15
cehtehhow does one restart mce .. or re-read its config at least?18:15
oscillikaspidites: yes they do18:15
oscillikaspidites: i installed systeminfowidget via apt-get18:15
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oscillikit showed in the app manager18:15
cehtehaspidites: nah thats ok (for packages which should be hidden)18:15
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cehtehofficial / gui packages show up18:16
cehtehwell and you may swallow the red pill if you need more18:16
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aspiditesoscillik: correction. they showed up after a refresh. still slightly annoying18:17
aspiditescehteh: define "packages that should be hidden"18:17
aspiditesif by that you mean non-explicitly installed apps -- aka everything except deps then sure18:17
oscillikaspidites: lol! erm, even in ubuntu you have to refresh synaptic to see packages you've just installed]18:17
cehtehwhats normally hidden from the gui18:17
GAN900Merry Christmas, everybody! :)18:17
oscillikin fact, if you have gsynaptics open the commandline apt-get won't allow you to install anything18:18
oscillikso that is kind of a redundant criticism18:18
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aspiditesoscillik: i'm coming from archlinux. regardless of gui or cli installed packages are visible without a refresh :-)18:18
aspiditesonly need to refresh to update the repos. call me spoiled18:18
cehteherr /etc/init.d/mce restart reboots ...18:18
threshis this arch some new kind of gentoo?18:18
threshcause that will explain a lot18:19
cehtehthere is no 'reload' .. another dent in the case why i want such open sourced18:19
aspiditesthresh: not really. similarities, but was (for me) less painful. has binary packages with the option of installing from source (or recompiling binary packages)18:19
aspiditesconsider that in debian (or more likely ubuntu) you have to "apt-get upgrade && apt-get isntall so_and_so" arch lets you "pacman -Sy so_and_so" the y telling it to update repos first18:20
oscillikaspidites: pacman is not apt-get18:20
aspiditeshaven't used debian based distros in a while, so I've obviously forgotten a few small things18:21
aspiditesoscillik: i know that. but they are both package managers.18:21
oscillikaspidites: Windows is an operating system. so is Mac OS X18:21
oscillikdoesn't mean that they do things the same way18:22
oscillikjust as long as the result is the same18:22
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aspiditesoscillik: i never claimed that they should. what i AM saying is that it's going to take some time to get used to, so you being defensive is rather unnecessary18:22
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aspiditesyou act as though i'm one of the "iphone guys" saying "why doesn't this do this like the iphone". more accurate is that i am saying "oh, so this doesn't do it like the iphone, i have to do it that way. ok"18:23
oscillikaspidites: and i'm just saying that your criticism is redundant since the app manager in maemo follows standard paradigms for an apt-get based installation method18:23
cehtehwhat is 'softpoweroff' btw?18:23
oscilliki agree that the pacman method is better18:23
cehtehkindof hibernate?18:24
oscillikand would be awesome on maemo, but unfortunately it uses aptitude18:24
aspiditesoscillik: my initial critisism was based on the lack of knowlege. and silently withdrawn (i thought that was implied with "oh" that was mentioned before"18:24
b-man17GAN900: Merry Christmas to you too! :D18:26
oscillikaspidites: i see no "oh", only "call me spoiled" and other statements to the effect of saying "i am used to doing things one way, maemo does things another way and i think it sucks that maemo doesn't do things the way i'm used to"18:26
aspiditesoscillik: for what it's worth, i thought that packages not showing up (before a refresh) were a side-effect of adding repos manually that don't show up in the catalog dialog". or is there a way to refresh that too?18:26
oscillikhmmmmm i don't think that'd be the case, i believe it is simply a side effect of maemo using aptitude and apt-get18:26
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oscilliklike i said - it would be cool to have the same functionality as pacman18:27
oscilliki agree, because my app-manager takes FOREVER to refresh18:27
oscillikbut then again, it'd take forever to refresh anyway, even if it was auto-refreshing18:27
aspiditesoscillik: i know that now. i was speaking in retrospect. it's clear you are misunderstanding the intentions of everything i say18:27
oscillikaspidites: of course - i'm english, you're american....we;re meant to misunderstand each other :p :D how are you finding the N900 otherwise?18:28
oscillik*not meant to18:29
oscillikdamn i'm tired18:29
oscilliki blame the turkey18:29
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aspiditesi love the N900. and the package manager i can deal with :-). even wrote a apt-get wrapper to spoil myself a bit18:29
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aspiditesmost anything that does bother me is something i can fix myself, find a work around for, or will be fixed with a firmware update18:30
oscillikaspidites: other than some email niggles, i'm pleased with mine. i showed it off to my freedom-loving friend last night when i did 'apt-get install nano' - he was impressed18:30
aspiditesmost anything that does bother me is something i can fix myself, find a work around for, or will be fixed with a firmware update18:30
aspiditesoscillik: i work at t-mobile and everyone there was drooling. particularly because of the rumpors stating we are supposed to be subsidizing it at some point18:31
oscillikaspidites: i was hoping that my network was going to get it, but i couldn't wait and bought it SIM free.18:32
aspiditesoscillik: yep. that and i rationalized my purchase by saying i wasn't tied to a contract. even did the math: subsidized, i'd have paid an additional 150 for the phone18:33
oscillikwin win18:33
* oscillik thumbs up18:33
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Vengefulsorry to ask but18:34
Vengefulit's only my n900 that keeps rebooting every now and then18:34
Vengefulsomething like at least 1 time every 5 minutes of use?18:34
aspiditesno Vengeful and there are plenty of threads discussing it18:34
Vengefulthat's ok for me18:35
aspiditessome state firmware reflash, others hardware defect18:35
Vengefuli mean18:35
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Vengefulif it's only mean i'll ask for a replace18:35
StskeepsVengeful: checked bug report i referred to?18:35
Vengefulonly mine*18:35
Vengefuland i reflashed too18:35
Stskeepsad no its not normslal18:35
aspiditesits not only you but i would still replace it18:35
Vengefulso messing around with contacts18:35
Vengefuland playing with menus18:35
Vengefulshould not freeze and reboot it18:36
Vengefulmonday i'll go for a replace18:36
aspiditesmight be some other fixes in those threads until you get time to replace18:36
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Vengefuli do have a H3G as provider18:37
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* aspidites wishes there was 3G in his area18:37
Vengefulso wait18:38
Vengefulthere is a log or a dump18:38
Vengefulthat store reboot reasons18:38
Vengefulit says: I opened the terminal to look to /boot/bootreason to see the cause of the reboot, it contains: 32wd_to that means was the watchdog that reboots the terminal.18:39
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Vengefulthere is no file inside18:40
Vengefulin my terminal tho18:40
cehtehso charging yellow blinking/ green is now even on when the display is on and the device on blinks purple instead white :)18:40
Stskeeps /proc/bootreason18:41
Vengefulah ok18:41
cehtehbut handediting mce.ini isnt fun18:41
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Vengefuland for opening it18:42
Vengefulwhat's the editor? vi?18:42
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cehtehbtw when i add an irc account under accounts/messaging i didnt yet found out if its possible to join a channel with that18:43
ShadowJKit's not18:43
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cehtehwell and it doesnt proper log out, on freenode this blocks the nick for infinite time unless you ping it out18:44
Vengefulnvm i think it's blank18:46
Vengefulso that's doesn't help either18:46
ShadowJKyeah, idle isn't really useful18:47
Vengefuli'm trying to set 2G only then18:47
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jadamsmerry christmas18:52
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LuciusMareany way to get ethernet to n900?18:52
jadamsLuciusMare, i.e. not via wireless or usb?18:52
LuciusMareusb ethernet?18:54
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jadamsLuciusMare, you could always usb bridge18:55
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LuciusMarebut n909 cant do that,right?18:56
jadamsthat's for the openmoko, but it should apply pretty cleanly, if that's what you're into.18:56
jadamssurely it can18:56
jadamsI've not done it...but I can't conceive of a way it could fail18:57
jadamswhy not just get on the wireless network, also?18:57
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jadamsI've used a usb cable to tether my desktop to the internet via the n90018:57
jadamsI've not yet done it with bluetooth, though I installed a package the purported to make bluetooth dun work18:57
LuciusMarebut wait18:58
kejiajHello i can,t unzip file with ending like tar.gz18:58
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kejiajHow to do it18:58
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kejiajBy n90018:58
LuciusMarei need a station that is already connected to ethernet18:58
n900evilkej: tar -xzvf foo.tar.gz18:59
jadamsLuciusMare, right, there's not an ethernet jack on the n90018:59
kejiajThanks man18:59
jadamsyou can either get on a network via bluetooth (haven't done) or via wireless, or via usb18:59
jadamsbut to get on via usb you need a host computer18:59
jadams(but you're getting on a network anyway...without wireless...surely you planned to have one?)19:00
kejiajWhat about with tar.xz ending19:01
LuciusMareno,thats why i asked :/19:01
LuciusMarei meant some kind of an extension19:02
wazd boom19:02
LuciusMarelike usb to ethernet19:02
kejiajThanks if anyone would tell me how to unzip with zip.xz19:02
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ShadowJKgigantic text :/19:03
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* RST38h doubts anyone will implement this design though =(19:05
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ShadowJKyeah it's a pain to rewrite the widgets19:06
okrahas anyone installed e17 on a n810?19:07
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Vengefuldoing cat /proc/bootreason19:09
Vengefulsays 32wd_to19:09
Vengefulso that's it19:09
Vengefulat this point i think i got a defected unit19:10
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Vengefuli'll ask for a replace monday then :|19:12
Vengefulhow unlucky19:12
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wazd_n800Stskeeps, all for maemo, time for mer)19:14
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LuciusMarei wanted to install an app19:26
LuciusMarebut its for os200719:26
Vengefulyou are lucky as hell if your terminal it's not defected!19:26
LuciusMareso it told me its incompatibile - how do i get it on fremantle? Or do i have to find the "right" version?19:27
threshyou have to get the sources and try to rebuild.19:27
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threshand then it's not guaranteed it will actually work.19:28
ShadowJKwhat app?19:29
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LuciusMareyou told me a link a while ago,it was about usb networking19:30
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LuciusMarecould you please send it me again?19:31
cehtehLuciusMare: iirc the n900 can do usb networking out of the box, and did you get the flashlight work now?19:31
LuciusMareyes,i did19:32
fluxmy wlan died (a reboot will likely fix it). suggestions on how to get out the best debugging information out before I reboot it?19:32
fluxit's the first time I got the problem (visiting my parent's), so it's unlikely I'll easily repeat the problem19:32
LuciusMarecehteh: so how do i set it so i get the network from machine connected to the thernet?19:33
LuciusMarebut i dont even know what to google19:34
LuciusMare"maemo ethernet tethering box to device" ?19:34
LuciusMare  With USB host mode it's possible to setup and utilize a wired network connection for times when you don't have access to WiFi...19:35
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LuciusMareNote: The N900 does not support USB Host-mode/OTG. See discussion for details.19:36
* LuciusMare sniffs19:37
LuciusMarestupid nokia19:37
dmj7263blame the usb consortium19:37
cehtehyou dont need host mode for networking19:37
cehtehiirc some people work on enabling it anyways, but i dont know what the state is, its a bit delicate because it conflicts with the charging spec19:38
LuciusMarewhere did you read ti?19:38
cehtehmaybe you can fry the device or not power the usb port19:39 .. google .. whatever there are plenty discussions19:39
LuciusMarei see that the reason that n900 cant usb-otg is because its unable to supply power - couldnt it be just bypassed by a powered hub?19:41
cehtehwell i would be careful by saying 'just' or 'simple' ...19:43
LuciusMarethe only scarr at the face of n90019:43
cehtehsetup bluetooth tethering19:43
* cehteh does that too :)19:44
LuciusMarethe n900 was released this month!19:44
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LuciusMaremaybe someone will get to do that!19:44
LuciusMarei hope so19:44
cehtehas i saied network tethering shoudl work in gadget mode too, your laptop or whatever is the host then19:45
LuciusMarei know19:45
LuciusMarebut i see that a thumb drive to maemodevice is possible...not just at n90019:45
cehtehalso on my todo list .. and disable this unmounting and reformat the flash with ext3 or so19:45
LuciusMarei know i can tether19:46
LuciusMarebut i want to get it to usb host19:46
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cehtehand i turned off the vibrator when email arrives now .. bsst .... bsst ..... bsst .. grr19:49
siriusnovaany news on an N900 update?19:49
LuciusMareso,is there a guide how to tether the signal from ethernet connected device to n900?19:50
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LuciusMarehello? :(19:53
Stskeepsa   aautos-startx19:54
Stskeepsbefore first boot wizard19:54
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Stskeepsstupud lag.19:54
LuciusMarewhat was that supposed to mean?19:55
Stskeepssomething along the lines of some stuff that should have gone into #mer19:56
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LuciusMareand the guide? :/19:56
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Stskeepsdon't know any19:58
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Stskeepsgoogle for it? probably bluetooth tethering or something19:58
LuciusMarei want usb tethering19:58
LuciusMareuh oh19:59
LuciusMarewhat should i do with a .install file?19:59
LuciusMaredoubleclick on it,or maemo has a tool to deal with these?20:00
Stskeepsuse it in your n8x0 browser20:00
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Stskeepser, nxxx20:00
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LuciusMareand if i just have it in storage of my nxxx?20:01
LuciusMareits so small20:01
LuciusMareso at the beginning,i ran off my FUP limit,so i want to download it from computer to tablet,but the .install files are just like links.where can i download the whole deb?20:02
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davyghi, i'm just doing my noob, but how can I select text in a webpage on maemo default browser ?20:08
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Stskeepsdavyg: n900? click the interaction guide link20:08
Stskeepsthat explains it20:08
davygyou mean the tutorial ?20:08
Stskeepswell, the browser tutorial20:09
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wazd_n800ho ho ho20:11
davygnot sure where i can found it :s i shouldn't be so noob but i'm too much excited by the n900 to think clearly ^^20:11
MohammadAGdavyg, just swipe your finger from the bottom left corner of the screen above the navigation bar20:12
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davygoh thanks man it's so cooooool <mode kikoolol off>20:13
MohammadAGdavyg,, see where the arrow is? Swipe your finger from left > right20:13
davygit works thanks but it's hard to discover at first time20:14
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MohammadAGthat's why there's a guide and a manual20:14
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davygyes but the tutorial was pretty long and i was too much impatient20:15
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davygbut n900 is really what i have expected, so cool to have a linux box20:16
Stskeepsbut see the link in the Web bookmarks link20:17
Stskeepsit really helped my usage20:17
wazd_n800yeah, n900 iis awesome)20:17
wazd_n800Stskeeps, saw my xchat concept?20:17
Stskeepsnop, hit me?20:18
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Stskeepsit better not look like ms comic chat20:19
davygok found the link in the bookmark ^^20:19
wazd_n800Stskeeps, my blog)20:20
LuciusMarethe fact that n900 cant do usb host really killed my day20:21
StskeepsLuciusMare: read specs next time :p20:22
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Stskeepswazd: <320:22
swc|666LuciusMare, usb host should be possible20:23
swc|666and when it is, you'll need a powered hub20:24
LuciusMareyes,i kinda expected it20:25
LuciusMareactually,where can i read more about it?20:26
swc|666the omap chip specs20:26
LuciusMarewhy didnot nokia include it?20:26
swc|666host mode driver? dunno, time issue prolly .. otg? politics/time me thinks20:27
LuciusMareand the hardware?20:27
LuciusMareis it all on the chip or "it is nokia20:27
LuciusMares fault" ?20:27
Vengefulin the meantime that monday will show up i'm trying to enable the off mode20:27
Vengefulsomeone here knows how to do it?20:27
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Vengefuli already installed the app for root-ing20:28
RST38hEHLO TomaszD20:28
LuciusMarewhat off mode?20:28
TomaszD'lo RST38h20:28
Vengeful"Running "echo 0 > /sys/power/enable_off_mode" seems to have stopped the reboots, I'm going to wait for an update as opposed to sending it back."20:28
Vengefulit says in the forums20:28
Vengefulbut there is another permanent way to set it20:29
MohammadAGkernel parameters20:29
kontioHi, I try to port a SDL game to fremantle, now I try to start it with osso_games_startup, the plugin seems to be ok and the osso_games_startup starts, but it seems that it does not emit any dbus call to launch the sdl game, and I also can't exit the osso_games_startup... I use the crazyparking game as example... any hints what could be wrong if the osso-game-startup can't be closed?20:29
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TomaszDnice, new gpodder and fmradio graduated to extras20:29
RST38hSo was supposed to do ColEm20:29
RST38hStill not there though, and can't contact X-Fade either20:30
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* RST38h considers fixing XChat and packaging it with some sane set of settings20:30
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* thresh considers it crazy20:31
threshwho needs xchat when there is irssi20:32
* thresh is in a trolling mood, guess why?20:32
threshriight, friday without a sip of beer.20:32
MohammadAGI prefer xchat20:32
RST38hirssi is for kids20:32
* RST38h uses ircii20:32
threshokay, nothing can beat that20:33
RST38htelnet to 6667 port can20:33
threshwell probably telnet which was used by that finnish guy who made the irc20:33
mzaBitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p1420:33
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threshmza: bitchx is based on ircii, isnt it?20:34
mzasomething like that20:34
mzait's a piece of bloated shit20:34
RST38hBitchX is that eleet version of ircii sick with color diarrhea?20:34
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mzaim just to lazy to setup irssi to get on this server20:34
mzaepic before irssi20:34
mzaepic was the shit20:35
* thresh still remembers issues with letter 'ж' coming out everywhere with bitchx20:35
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Stskeepshi hrw20:35
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mzaso how many people got N900's for christmas?20:35
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mzaprolly a pretty steady stream20:36
mza"OMG HOW DO I GETS R00T"20:36
ml-N900not really20:36
mzawell that's good20:36
RST38hehlo hrw20:36
hrw|n900did new fw got released?20:37
threshthose lazy finns.20:37
hrw|n900which ver fw1.1 has?20:37
mzaive seen ppl tweet about putting it on their devices20:37
RST38hhrw: only to a bunch of happy people20:38
threshand i can tweet about it, too20:38
RST38hhrw: and it is 51-120:38
threshbut that's tweeter.20:38
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RST38hBlogger, shut your tweeter20:38
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LoCusFdoes anyone know of a project that uses cmake and cdbs?20:43
LoCusF <- trying to make a package of this :)20:43
StskeepsLoCusF: i think there was a maemo-developers discussion about cmake recently20:43
LoCusFno debian packaging but uses CMake and its binaries work 100% on N90020:43
LoCusFStskeeps: mailing list?20:44
Stskeepscdbs is always fun on scratchbox :P20:44
StskeepsLoCusF: yeah20:44
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LoCusFhmm, I wish there was a search function for that :)20:45
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Stskeepsgoogle :P20:46
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LoCusFyeah trying that now :)20:47
mzasomeone please develope a carddav and caldav client, thx20:49
mzaor add it to the existing calendar and address book apps:)20:49
mzawould make the N900 perfect for people in a mac business enviornment20:50
mzalike me!20:50
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ShapeshifterWhat would you suggest would be the best way to write apps that basically run as a proxy to web sites. E.g. I'm thinking of writing sort of an "app" for wolfram alpha. Would you think just making a custom css to use with the browser would be the best solutions? Because sometimes I don't really see the point int extra apps if there already is a website.20:52
Shapeshifterthough I already wrote a small app just for our club to control some stuff which also had a web interface and I just used curl20:52
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LuciusMarei wanted to download mplayer20:57
LuciusMarebut i dont know what file20:57
LuciusMarei have got n90020:57
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hrwRST38h: thx20:58
hrwRST38h: 51 week sounds good20:59
LuciusMareanyone? :(20:59
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hrwLuciusMare: iirc mplayer is in one of extras repos21:00
* hrw wants stable xchat for maemo521:00
LuciusMarehrw: i want to download it manually,from big box21:00
davygis there some french people having universal mobile operator ?21:01
hrwcurrent one is not stable at all21:01
LuciusMarebecause i ran off my limit on the tablet21:01
hrwLuciusMare: then no idea21:01
RST38hhrw: Well, I intend to fix that coredump and repackage it21:01
hrwRST38h: cool21:01
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LuciusMarebut thats for n80021:04
MohammadAGhold on21:04
LuciusMarei am not even sure if it is optified21:04
MohammadAGyeah I realized that21:04
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MohammadAGisn't it a command line player?21:04
MohammadAGsorry but I don't have my N900 yet21:04
Shapeshifteroh btw, just a quick question, how do you people tab complete on the command line? there's no tab key, right?21:05
Shapeshifter(don't have one yet)21:05
MohammadAGsec I'll check the repos LuciusMare21:05
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MohammadAGLuciusMare, so did it work21:08
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fnordianslippersCtrl+i does tab completiom for me21:10
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LuciusMarelemme test it21:10
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LuciusMarei hope it is optified21:13
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squiddhei, I'm trying to add alt to xterm bar, what is that in "keys"?21:14
MohammadAGso then, anyone tried my tutorial ?21:15
RST38hAnyone can tell me how to enable core dumps?21:16
RST38hI seem to be unable to make 42-11 drop a coredump21:16
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cehtehRST38h: see /etc/rcS21:17
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RST38hWhat am I looking for?21:18
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threshsysctl kernel.core_pattern=core21:20
threshulimit -c unlimited21:20
threshi guess that's enogh21:20
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RST38hno sysctl21:20
GAN900RST38h, NITRO may be another optiob21:20
GAN900RST38h, NITRO may be another option21:21
RST38hNo nitro here21:21
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LuciusMare_n900it is not optified21:21
tru_anyone have a open auth implementation for the n900?21:21
LuciusMare_n900took seven percent of my rootfs21:22
threshulimit should be enough then21:22
LuciusMare_n900ulimit does not allowalso  the other apps to write to /21:23
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RST38hulimit already done21:23
RST38hstill no core21:23
threshwhere are you trying to look for them?21:23
LuciusMare_n900thought you're talkong to me21:23
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RST38hOk, I have found where it OKs the setup in XChat21:40
squiddany help regarding adding alt to xterm keybar21:42
squiddmissing what i should add to keylist21:42
RST38hOk, what is maemo-launcher-app and why XChat build needs it???21:43
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StskeepsRST38h: to save mem21:45
Stskeepsand speed up boot of it21:45
hrw~hail jebba for his tips/tricks on his maemo wiki page21:46
LuciusMare_n900i want to get maemo-optify, but it depends on dpkg-dev,where can i get that for fremantle?21:46
RST38hStskeeps: do I build XChat without maemo-launcher-app?21:47
* infobot bows down to jebba for his tips/tricks on his maemo wiki page and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"21:47
LuciusMare_n900do i need to compile it?21:49
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ruskiesquidd, hmm haven't found that myself... I tried meta but didn't seem to pickup on it21:56
squiddya, i tried that too but didnt work :(21:56
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MohammadAGLuciusMare_n900, just get it off the repositories21:58
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MohammadAGand I'm not sure but maemo-optify might be intended to be used on the SDK and not the device itself21:58
ruskieor on debs21:58
LuciusMare_n900MohammadAG: thats the problem21:59
LuciusMare_n900its not there21:59
ruskieit is21:59
ruskieyou're just missing repos21:59
LuciusMare_n900~ $ apt-cache search dpkg-dev21:59
LuciusMare_n900dpkg - Debian package management system21:59
LuciusMare_n900~ $21:59
infobot$ is, like, a dollar sign21:59
MohammadAGjust open up xterm and type apt-get install dpkg-dev21:59
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BabelO~lart infobot22:00
* infobot forces babelo to use Outlook Express22:00
BabelOahhhh beurk !22:00
MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > apt-cache search dpkg-dev22:00
MohammadAGdpkg - Debian package management system22:00
MohammadAGdpkg-dev - Debian package development tools22:00
MohammadAGit's there22:01
LuciusMare_n900E: Package dpkg-dev has no installation candidate22:01
MohammadAGsame repos for X86 and ARMEL22:01
ukkido i need to depend on maemo-optify or will it be in autobuilder by default?22:01
LuciusMare_n900this is also funny22:01
ifreqLuciusMare_n900: is there something you could actually do yourself by googling?22:01
ruskieukki, iirc autobuildur does maemo-optify-deb22:01
ifreqas youve been here whole day and all the time endles row of qs? :)22:01
ruskieby default22:01
MohammadAGcheck if you have those repos enabled22:02
LuciusMare_n900/home/user # cat /etc/apt/sources.list22:02
LuciusMare_n900/home/user #22:02
ukkiruskie: so if i want to use it in debian/rules i need to depend on it?22:02
ukkik, thanks22:02
ruskieLuciusMare_n900, check: /etc/apt/sources.list.d22:02
ifreqMohammadAG: i suggest not to give repos to ppl who may break something eventually22:02
* RST38h is at loss22:02
RST38hWhat do I do about this maemo-launcher-app thing???22:02
MohammadAGifreq, lol22:02
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ifreqMohammadAG: youll see :P22:03
ruskiehmm ahh so this is the problem of modest+imap idle... simply doesn't do any notifications22:03
MohammadAGifreq, hope not, I don't want to tell someone how to flash a device again :p22:03
MohammadAGbut repos don't cause damage22:03
LuciusMare_n900so, in what repositories is it?22:03
MohammadAGif used properly :p22:04
MohammadAGapt-cache search dpkg-dev ...22:04
LuciusMare_n900it does not output it22:04
LuciusMare_n900so, in what repositories is it?22:04
LuciusMare_n900want to see it again?22:05
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MohammadAG there, happy?22:06
LuciusMare_n900it is in normal extras? O_o22:07
MohammadAGifreq, I see what you mean...22:07
MohammadAGit's not in /extras22:08
LuciusMare_n900then where?22:08
MohammadAG call it whatever you want22:09
MohammadAG(main?) repo22:09
MohammadAGor sdk repo22:09
LuciusMare_n900i am not trolling22:09
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LuciusMare_n900~ $ apt-cache search dpkg-dev22:09
LuciusMare_n900dpkg - Debian package management system22:09
LuciusMare_n900~ $22:09
infobot$ is, like, a dollar sign22:10
MohammadAGinstall the deb file :/22:10
LuciusMare_n900and my enabled repos22:10
LuciusMare_n900~ $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list22:10
LuciusMare_n900deb ./22:10
LuciusMare_n900deb ./22:10
LuciusMare_n900deb fremantle free non-free22:10
LuciusMare_n900which is just weird22:11
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ruskieare you doing this ON the device?22:11
MohammadAGLuciusMare_n900, I'm assuming you've never used linux before22:12
LuciusMare_n900i do...22:12
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* RST38h found the magic apt-get install line22:12
LuciusMare_n900i am running debian on my desktop22:12
ruskie fremantle/sdk and fremantle/tools are the two that would have it but I wouldn't recommend doing this on the device SERIOUSLY22:12
MohammadAGerr, do you only use the GUI part of it?22:12
MohammadAGthen add the repos!22:13
MohammadAGruskie, pasted them, again22:13
LuciusMare_n900why not on the device?22:13
ruskiebecause those two aren't meant to be run on the device22:13
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MohammadAGLuciusMare_n900, <MohammadAG> and I'm not sure but maemo-optify might be intended to be used on the SDK and not the device itself22:14
ruskieyes it is inteneded to be used on the SDK22:14
MohammadAG+ on*22:14
ruskieor on a deb22:14
ruskieyou can run maemo-optify-deb file.db22:15
ruskieerm file.deb22:15
ruskieand it will optify it22:15
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LuciusMare_n900i am on planet windows right now,i have the only linux enabled device here.thats why i wanted to optify it on the device itelf22:16
ruskieif you have the .deb22:16
ruskieyou can do it22:16
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ruskiejust don't install anything else22:16
MohammadAG<LuciusMare_n900> i am running debian on my desktop <-- contradictions...22:16
LuciusMare_n900i thought i have to install it :/22:17
LuciusMare_n9005hanks then22:17
* ruskie really dislikes optification22:17
* LuciusMare_n900 really dislikes brickfilled device and full rootfs22:18
MohammadAGruskie, why?22:18
mikhasbecause it is a hack22:18
ifreqits just symlinking22:19
LuciusMare_n900so what?22:19
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ruskieMohammadAG, because it makes absolutely no sense on a unix/unix-like system22:19
ifreqi dont like it either22:19
ruskieI'm happy that I repartitioned my n900 to have a 5gb /usr22:19
LuciusMare_n900ruskie: rite22:19
mikhasruskie, I envy you =)22:19
LuciusMare_n900yes, i cant repartition22:19
ruskiemikhas, instructions on t.m.o22:19
mikhasI know22:19
ruskieLuciusMare_n900, why not?22:19
ifreqim happy still to have enuff space even without partitioning / hacks22:19
ifreqno need to install all stuff from repos anyways22:19
LuciusMare_n900ruskie: because i dont know how22:20
ruskiea less hacky solution would be using /usr/local/22:20
LuciusMare_n900any guide?22:20
ruskieLuciusMare_n900, as said... on t.m.o22:20
mikhasbut for testing the official images (and for spotting problems!) repartitioning is not the way to go, sadly22:20
LuciusMare_n900wait,what offic images?22:20
mikhasthe ones currently powering your n90022:21
ruskiestill missing one tool though... a mailer switchboard that would let me pick the default mailer on the device22:21
LuciusMare_n900what is t.m.o. ?22:21
LuciusMare_n900i will have a look @ that22:21
LuciusMare_n900goodbye for now22:22
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MohammadAGhow long has he been on the IRC?22:22
mikhasseveral times now?22:22
ruskiemikhas, well I dislike it so much I even went and setup my own repo... nonoptified primarily :)22:22
mikhasruskie, that's commitment =)22:23
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ruskiestill need to figure out how to do it better because it's painfull to do stuff manually so much22:23
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mikhaslol, dont tell me you have an maemo-unoptify ...22:24
ruskieI rebuild stuff :)22:24
ruskiethough nothing from extras yet22:24
ruskieI did plan a 2gb /opt just in case :)22:24
ruskieso far I have working zsh, fcron(though the package lacks a few finer details), tinymail with imap idle support and modest built against it(both also latest HEAD), curl, xmms2, rsyslog, mpg123, tinc, libmpcdec, roxfiler22:26
mikhasrsyslog ... handy22:26
ruskienot installed yet though22:27
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hrwfresh tinymail+modest would be nice to have22:28
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hrw42-11 ones are not usable22:28
RST38hyou still hope there is going to be a working modest?22:28
ruskie nonopt/22:28
ruskieif you want to22:28
ruskiecan someone write a mailer switchboard that would do a similar thing that the browser one does but for mailto links?22:29
ruskieI'd really like a working email client like alpine on my n90022:29
hrwRST38h: rather not22:29
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hrwRST38h: I hope that working usable email client will arrive for maemo5 with ~20$ price max22:30
StskeepsRST38h: maemo-launcher-dev is the usual one to dep on22:30
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hrwRST38h: after days of using n900 I see one ugly thing - nokia software designers never used anything newer then nokia 5110/3210... and never even saw PDA/S60/WM devices22:31
RST38hSts: yes found it22:32
RST38hhrw: that is not it22:32
hrwno names for IM/Voip accounts, crappy Calendar imitation22:32
RST38hhrw: you have got a bunch of highly dogmatic UI people who do not seem to listen to feedback22:32
ruskieerm no names?22:32
RST38hthat's all22:32
pwnguini kinda wish the calendar app supported adding webdav calendars22:33
richardhaGet windows keys for 5eur only :)22:33
hrwapps lacks common look - IM/SMS view uses emoticons, IM/SMS list do not22:33
ruskiewhat names?22:33
hrwruskie: add 2 SIP accounts22:33
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ruskieand that will give me what?22:33
hrwwhat you get? "call by SIP" + "call by SIP"?22:33
richardhaGet windows keys for 5eur only :)22:33
hrwI want "Call by Tlenofon" + "call by Betamax"22:34
MohammadAGis richardha a bot22:34
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MohammadAGnvm then :p22:34
hrwruskie: same for "work jabber" + "private jabber"22:35
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ruskiehmm I'd use a jabber2jabber transport for that22:35
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hrwruskie: why? I want to be able to easily see who is from which list and to disable/enable work one on vacations with 2 clicks22:36
ruskieI hate the lack of priority and ability to pick a resource on jabber to send to22:36
ruskieso just don't connect to the jabber2jabber transport :)22:36
hrwI hate lot of things in maemo522:37
pwnguinhrw: question: which phone does SIP accounts right?22:37
hrwwill have to write a blog post about it in 201022:37
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hrwpwnguin: so far used two - s60 one which allows me to select one voip account to connect at time and maemo5 one which does not show me which one is which22:38
ruskieI wish I could add my work sip account to the n90022:38
ruskiebut apparently I can't22:38
ruskieI could add it on the S60 phone though22:38
ruskiecan't add it with something like twinkle as well22:38
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Arkenoiiirc betamax sucks.22:39
hrwArkenoi: it does, i used it as an example22:39
ruskieI only have one... and I don't use it all that much anyway22:39
hrwre wazd22:40
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hrwok time for me22:42
hrwhave a nice rest of xmas22:42
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* bongo|kup is checking _the_ orangebox thread23:02
bongo|kupwith a glas of wine23:02
bongo|kupvery amusing23:03
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fluxhm, I'm following instructions from: - but the step "git checkout -b 4.5 origin/4.523:11
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flux" fails. any suggestions? the error message is "fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing Did you intend to checkout 'origin/4.6' which can not be resolved as commit?"23:11
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adeuslooks like a weird instruction23:18
adeusI don't see a 4.5 branch in gitorious23:18
adeusand even if it did, the next step checks out another branch23:18
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fluxok. I know only the very basics of git. thanks! I'll try if it works :)23:26
adeusI'd say just skip the step23:27
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adeusis there some reason you need to compile Qt in the first place?23:29
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fluxthe website suggests the git version is much more up-to-date23:35
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fluxactually maybe this phrase is a bit old: "To get the benefits of the ongoing Maemo 5 hildon integration work in Qt, you must get the latest Qt source code and compile it yourself. See Building Qt from GIT repository.23:36
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adeusI've been quite content with the debs23:43
adeusmaybe I'll have to look into what's actually different23:43
adeusI would guess not that much as they're probably starting to push for 4.623:45
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