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| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 00:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | microb could do with 'hmm you seem to have crashed, would you like me to resume your windows' ? | 00:28 |
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| aspidites | SpeedEvil: a la firefox? there is always fennec | 00:30 |
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| aspidites | though i do agree that would be a nice ported feature | 00:31 |
| redeeman | SpeedEvil: does microb crash for you? | 00:31 |
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| ShadowJK | mine crashes with the history thing | 00:31 |
| redeeman | weird | 00:31 |
| redeeman | probably mine is ALOT more stable due to me having disabled flash crap | 00:32 |
| aspidites | mine was only crashing while using testing/devel repos. do you guys have those enabled by chance? | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | Like, I tap back or do the back gesture, and get the history view, but then I often am too impatient to wait for it to display the history, so I ctrl-backspace away to do something else while waiting for it, and when I come back then, it crashes | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | redeeman: For values of crash that inclde powering off the device as i forgot my charger. | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never had it actually crash as such. | 00:32 |
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| ShadowJK | seems it doesn't like losing focus while in the middle of finding/drawing/rendering history view | 00:32 |
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| RST38h | "Storm 360 sends best wishes this Xmas to all Nigerians young and old." | 00:37 |
| * RST38h feels nigerian tonight | 00:37 | |
| * SpeedEvil wants a nice nigerian to feel. | 00:38 | |
| RST38h | Sorry, I have deleted the email already | 00:38 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | Hi folks | 00:53 |
| Sir_Lancelot | Soo much silence in here | 00:54 |
| fredrin | christmas | 00:54 |
| Sir_Lancelot | Dont tell me that you're all playing around with pre 1.1 | 00:54 |
| Sir_Lancelot | Eheehehe | 00:54 |
| * fredrin is hoping for a report from someone | 00:54 | |
| * SpeedEvil is reflashing in a bit. | 00:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | Thoguh I'm looking for pre-1.1 if more testers needed | 00:55 |
| fredrin | SpeedEvil: I'll be on the n900 boat on monday | 00:55 |
| fredrin | got a HTC Hero for christmas, but i'll switch it | 00:55 |
| fredrin | I'm wondering how i'll put my Neo into good use | 00:56 |
| ManuelSE | listen to hoppe | 00:59 |
| ManuelSE | hans-hermann hoppe | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm contemplating an ignominious fate for my neo1973. | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | A microwave oven controller. | 01:00 |
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| zash | SpeedEvil: :O | 01:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | But. | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not being used. | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't imagine actually using it for 'proper' stuff in the future. | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | And I have this huge nice stainless microwave with a broken controller module. | 01:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | With some added sensors it could do cool stuff. | 01:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Like 'evaporate 200ml' | 01:04 |
| zash | With soe added robot arms it could make ANYTHING! | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | which with a covered dish - you ramp the power till you get to the point at which it starts to emit steam, and then add enough power to boil off 200ml/h | 01:05 |
| fredrin | or make it be a sms central or something | 01:05 |
| fredrin | or gps stalking thing, mount it somewhere and make it send sms with locatioin | 01:06 |
| zash | sms to im-gateway! | 01:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Or add a webcam, and when the bread inside it rises to a peak, turn on microwave for 5 mins to set loaf, then bake at 220C for n minutes. | 01:06 |
| zash | SpeedEvil: or make it control a rc helicopter | 01:07 |
| zash | and give it a AI | 01:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't have a RC helicopter, and it doesn''t really suit for my ducted fan vectored thrust vehicle. | 01:09 |
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| * zash has a lama in the basement | 01:10 | |
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| gjujetedfg | test | 01:22 |
| gjujetedfg | test | 01:22 |
| cehteh | works | 01:22 |
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| joppu | yey, ignoring JOINS,PARTS,QUITS,NICKS | 01:22 |
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| cehteh | ehm whats wrong when devices connected to the same accesspoint cant ping each other? | 01:47 |
| cehteh | (ip via dhcp) | 01:48 |
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| ThornBird | Hi all | 01:50 |
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| cehteh | hi | 01:51 |
| Sir_Lancelot | Hi threre | 01:51 |
| bongo|kup | hi | 01:52 |
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| joppu | cehteh: do you have NAT enabled? | 02:00 |
| cehteh | accesspoint (bridge!) not router | 02:01 |
| joppu | uhm.. | 02:03 |
| cehteh | n900 doesntrespond to ping .. but other connects like ssh dont work either | 02:03 |
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| joppu | does a bridge even allow local area networking? | 02:04 |
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| joppu | doesn't it connect the devices directly to the internet? | 02:05 |
| cehteh | sure .. should be the same network segement or? | 02:05 |
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| cehteh | (netmask is correct) | 02:05 |
| joppu | I don't know that much about networking :( | 02:06 |
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| bongo|kup | good night | 02:11 |
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| villager | cehteh: perhaps the ap doesn't like the n900's wlan powersaving mode, I know mine doesn't | 02:19 |
| cehteh | i had problems with turning powersaving to maximum yes .. but with moderate it works | 02:20 |
| cehteh | well so far | 02:20 |
| cehteh | lemme try turning it off | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Today I doubled the size of my wlan compatibility survey. | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | My n900 works fine with 2 routers. | 02:20 |
| villager | cehteh: yes moderate works for me when doing internet stuff on the n900, but when the n900 becomes idle it becomes unreachable until I do somethiing on the n900 again | 02:21 |
| cehteh | i have a very old dlink dwl-2000AP+ | 02:21 |
| cehteh | this crap piece dont want to die | 02:22 |
| villager | with powersaving off it's reachable all the time | 02:22 |
| cehteh | ssh root@10.20.40.100 | 02:22 |
| cehteh | ssh: connect to host 10.20.40.100 port 22: No route to host | 02:22 |
| cehteh | negative | 02:22 |
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| villager | do something internet-ish on it to make sure the ap knows it's there | 02:23 |
| villager | if that doesn't work, I'm not sure what else could be wrong | 02:24 |
| cehteh | i can ssh from my laptop to my desktop and from there to the n900 | 02:24 |
| cehteh | and i can ssh to from n900 to my desktop | 02:24 |
| cehteh | but i cant ssh between laptop and n900 | 02:24 |
| cehteh | and not from n900 to laptop | 02:25 |
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| villager | sounds like a crappy ap | 02:28 |
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| villager | perhaps you need to enable something in the ap | 02:29 |
| cehteh | didnt found anything | 02:29 |
| cehteh | never buy dlink crap .. | 02:30 |
| cehteh | well this one is from 2003 or so | 02:30 |
| cehteh | maybe even older | 02:30 |
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| cehteh | lemme restart the ap.. maybe that helps | 02:31 |
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| cehteh | ah .. | 02:32 |
| cehteh | found a button! | 02:32 |
| cehteh | Client security : | 02:32 |
| cehteh | Enabled Disabled | 02:32 |
| cehteh | :) | 02:32 |
| cehteh | lets see if that makes sense | 02:32 |
| n900evil | is there a way to make simple brightness applet go much dimmer? | 02:33 |
| n900evil | in absolute dark too bright | 02:33 |
| oscillik | you could take your battery out | 02:34 |
| oscillik | :p | 02:34 |
| oscillik | :) | 02:34 |
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| cehteh | n900evil: if you find a way please tell | 02:34 |
| * n900evil sighs. | 02:34 | |
| n900evil | source - but too lazy | 02:34 |
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| n900evil | would also be neat if it did kbd leds | 02:35 |
| cehteh | n900evil: look at /etc/mce/mce.ini there are some control things for the keyboard leds too | 02:36 |
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| * cehteh had his first n900 tweaking experience earlier .. turning the power on blink to purple, keep charging led lit while display is on and turn the vibrator of for emails | 02:37 | |
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| n900evil | st:/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm# echo 2 >brightness | 02:42 |
| n900evil | I know. lazy | 02:42 |
| Vengeful | ok | 02:43 |
| Vengeful | it seems that the off mode workaround | 02:43 |
| Vengeful | do work indeed | 02:43 |
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| Vengeful | it's not random rebooting anymore... i think... at least :D | 02:44 |
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| MohammadAG | Vengeful, what's the command again? | 02:44 |
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| crashanddie | reboot | 02:44 |
| crashanddie | or halt -r | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | to turn on "off mode"... | 02:44 |
| Vengeful | echo 0 > /sys/power/enable_off_mode | 02:44 |
| Vengeful | this one is temporary | 02:44 |
| Vengeful | but | 02:44 |
| Vengeful | if i do: | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | kernel parametres can set it to permanent right? | 02:45 |
| Vengeful | cat /sys/power/enable_off_mode | 02:45 |
| Vengeful | returns 1 always | 02:45 |
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| Vengeful | so the temp mode for me didn't work | 02:45 |
| Vengeful | i had to download rootsh | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | and it worked? | 02:45 |
| Vengeful | sudo gainroot | 02:45 |
| Vengeful | and edited the file with vi | 02:45 |
| Vengeful | yes it seems | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 02:45 |
| Vengeful | but | 02:45 |
| Vengeful | marble doesn't work anymore | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | what's that? | 02:46 |
| Vengeful | i dunno if it's related to this or something else i installed from the catalog | 02:46 |
| Vengeful | marble is a game built in the firmware | 02:46 |
| Vengeful | so i can't delete it... | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | oh, sorry but I don't have my N900 yet | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | have you tried R&D mode? | 02:47 |
| Vengeful | nope, i just did a 4 or 5 reflash | 02:47 |
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| Vengeful | i got stuck in the way of trying different tricks every time | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | just wondering if this would help no-lifeguard-reset - Disables the lifeguard process (lifeguard reboots the device when an important system process crashes). | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | or these # o-omap-wd - Disables the watchdog on the OMAP processor. | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | # no-retu-wd - Disables the watchdog on retu. | 02:49 |
| Vengeful | oh | 02:49 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: if any watchdog reboots the device then likely for some purpose | 02:49 |
| Vengeful | yes i got the 32wd_to | 02:49 |
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| cehteh | if this is ill then something is defect .. in soft or hardware | 02:50 |
| Vengeful | but we don't know if it does on purpose or on bug :D | 02:50 |
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| Vengeful | so u suggest to claim a replace? | 02:50 |
| Vengeful | even if i got it running with the workaround? | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, I know, but if it's a bug, then it shouldn't be a problem | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | you shouldn't be doing workarounds to get something to work ;) | 02:51 |
| cehteh | well i had few reboots after lockups .. and dont really want to miss them | 02:51 |
| Vengeful | on tested products... yes | 02:51 |
| cehteh | otherwise this means taking out the battery and pray that the filesystem stays intact | 02:51 |
| MohammadAG | one question: can the filesystem be converted to ext3? | 02:52 |
| cehteh | btw anyone had such a crazy idea like raid0 emmc and micosd? | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | I know the cam app wouldn't work, but isn't it possible | 02:52 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: yes, with some efforts | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | ty | 02:52 |
| Vengeful | a linux noob question | 02:53 |
| Vengeful | can i browse my win servers files | 02:53 |
| Vengeful | from the n900? | 02:53 |
| Vengeful | there is samba for it? | 02:53 |
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| MohammadAG | if there's a build for armel and it's in .deb format you can install that | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | provided the UI works with the N900 (GTK) | 02:54 |
| Vengeful | which i really dunno :D | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG | and neither do i :p | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG | I'll check the debian packages site | 02:55 |
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| angasule | hmm, how much does the N810 go for these days, used? | 02:56 |
| MohammadAG | http://packages.debian.org/stable/samba Vengeful | 02:57 |
| MohammadAG | not sure if it'd work, but it doesn't hurt to try :) | 02:58 |
| MohammadAG | there is an armel build | 02:58 |
| MohammadAG | just make sure you download the needed dependencies | 02:58 |
| angasule | I got offered an N810 for 240 USD, I'm wondering if that's cheap these days | 02:59 |
| cehteh | will be much cheaper in a few months | 02:59 |
| cehteh | when the n900 drops a lot and is avaliable without problems | 02:59 |
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| angasule | but now 240 is ok? | 03:00 |
| cehteh | i dont know ... i'd say depends more if you want to pay it | 03:00 |
| ShadowJK | I think brand-new N810 was selling for less than that before it vanished | 03:00 |
| cehteh | well here in germany they where more expensive | 03:01 |
| cehteh | 240 sounds ok if it looks almost as new and not often used/ battery in good state | 03:01 |
| ShadowJK | Well when they just came out they were 400-500E | 03:01 |
| angasule | the battery is a standard model so I can buy another one, right? | 03:01 |
| cehteh | if you have to pay $40 for a new battery then its prolly a bad deal | 03:02 |
| Vengeful | well if you think about me shelling 600 euro | 03:02 |
| Vengeful | for a faulty device... | 03:02 |
| Vengeful | :D | 03:02 |
| cehteh | yes .. but you have to add the price of a new battery | 03:02 |
| angasule | Vengeful: bummer, N900 with a defect? | 03:02 |
| Vengeful | random rebooting | 03:02 |
| angasule | ouchies | 03:02 |
| thresh | i'm selling it for about 210 USD in Russia | 03:02 |
| Vengeful | i dunno if it has defects | 03:02 |
| Vengeful | or is a sw problem | 03:02 |
| thresh | with a spare battery and stuff | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | 2 year warranty in europe, get it fixed | 03:02 |
| cehteh | btw ... i did a GPS test yesterday .. which was my biggiest fear that you dont get a fix without net | 03:02 |
| angasule | thresh: I'm in Argentina, shipping would be a killer :D | 03:02 |
| thresh | and yeah it's a good price | 03:02 |
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| ShadowJK | mine hasn't rebooted once | 03:03 |
| thresh | well i'm not offering you one :) | 03:03 |
| Vengeful | so i dunno if i have to replace it or no | 03:03 |
| angasule | I'm getting it with an FM transmitter, car cradle and maybe some other stuff | 03:03 |
| Vengeful | monday i'll call nokia | 03:03 |
| thresh | i have already found a buyer | 03:03 |
| angasule | I'm a map junkie, so I really want a GPS | 03:03 |
| cehteh | if you keep some gps demanding app like maemo mapper open while you try then its not that bad i got a fix in about 5-10 minutes | 03:03 |
| angasule | thresh: heh ok, plus Argentina has ridiculous taxes, over 60% | 03:03 |
| cehteh | without network connection and never used gps before on that device | 03:03 |
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| angasule | how long does the battery last with GPS on? recording tracks | 03:04 |
| cehteh | the n810 gps is really crap | 03:05 |
| Vengeful | oh yeah battery... | 03:05 |
| cehteh | all people i know who use it for mapping have a 2nddary bluetooth gps | 03:05 |
| Vengeful | i would have more happier with a 1 centimeter more on phone | 03:05 |
| Vengeful | with 3x battery lifetime | 03:05 |
| angasule | Vengeful: same with me :D | 03:06 |
| Vengeful | mine on n900 is ridiculously low | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | the N810 gps keeps tracking better than my sirfstarIII btgps | 03:06 |
| Vengeful | and with the work around even less | 03:06 |
| angasule | meh, family calls for dinner, I'll be back to annoy you all soonish :) thanks for the info so far | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | but it doesn't get unassisted first-lock as fast :) | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | luckily diablo brought a-gps to n810 so it's not much of a problem now.. | 03:06 |
| cehteh | mugen offers a 1800mAh battery .. not yet validated for the n900 iirc .. but standard size | 03:06 |
| Vengeful | and the standard one is 1300? | 03:07 |
| ShadowJK | It's not really 1800 | 03:07 |
| Vengeful | sure it isn't :D | 03:07 |
| wnd | angasule, depends on actual use, but on n810 the battely lasts around six hours with gps on (give or take) | 03:07 |
| cehteh | Vengeful: 1325 .. well printed on it who knows | 03:07 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: yeah .. but even if its 1600 its an improvement .. i just wait for tests | 03:08 |
| * SpeedEvil offers a validation service for all n900 accessories. Just supply 5 items for evaluation. | 03:08 | |
| ShadowJK | the mugen 1800mAh battery for N800 is 1200mAh :-) | 03:08 |
| cehteh | never tested those | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be nice if you could hot-swap bats | 03:08 |
| ShadowJK | the original N800 battery was about 2-3 years old when I replaced it, it held about 800 though, so the mugen battery felt like an improvement | 03:08 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: stick in charge cable and rip out battery | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: yeah - I mean when there isn't a charge cable handy | 03:09 |
| cehteh | does that work? or will the device powerdown? | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | was at brothers toda | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | y | 03:09 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, I doubt it will work | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | he had no micro-b | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | and that doesn't work IIRC I tried it | 03:09 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: well i dont even know .. i search someone who wants to try | 03:09 |
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| cehteh | someone who gives a shit about filesystem because he wants to reflash | 03:09 |
| wnd | looks like my longest run with gps on lasted 7.25 hours | 03:10 |
| ShadowJK | Amusingly the Smartdevices SmartQ devices can hotswap batteries... BUT, the batteries are soldered on and not user replaceable.. that's kinda funny :-) | 03:10 |
| cehteh | haha | 03:10 |
| cehteh | hot as in soldering iron | 03:11 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 03:11 |
| Vengeful | uhm ok | 03:11 |
| Vengeful | so i got my new n900 | 03:11 |
| Vengeful | and | 03:11 |
| * cehteh thinks about building a power source from bike dynamo | 03:11 | |
| Vengeful | i spent more time on diagnosis | 03:11 |
| Vengeful | than on playing with it | 03:12 |
| Vengeful | and.... | 03:12 |
| Vengeful | i really need some good pages | 03:12 |
| Vengeful | with catalogs or... well that sort of things that make you reflash XD | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | Distro: Fremantle | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | Components: free non-free | 03:14 |
| Vengeful | it's not the extra catalog | 03:14 |
| Vengeful | i enabled from the phone | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | Install all apps there | 03:14 |
| Vengeful | directly? :O | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | ? | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | extras-devel =/= extras | 03:14 |
| ShadowJK | extras is not extras-devel is not extras-testing is not extras | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | ^ | 03:14 |
| Vengeful | uhm | 03:15 |
| Vengeful | ok | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | Add it manually | 03:15 |
| Vengeful | so i'll add it in the app manager | 03:15 |
| ShadowJK | phone comes with extras disabled by default | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | I doubt it's in the App manager by default | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | so yeah added | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | add it* | 03:15 |
| Vengeful | something i miss is to create folders | 03:16 |
| Vengeful | for icons | 03:16 |
| Vengeful | games - apps - office... like that | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | in the menu? | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | you can't | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | why are orangebox's posts, so, umm negative? | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | it's like he's a fanboy of something else and he's just trolling | 03:20 |
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| Vengeful | ok thanks for your help | 03:24 |
| Vengeful | i'm falling asleep | 03:24 |
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| lcuk | heh, hope everyone is havin a great time :) | 03:28 |
| angasule | back! | 03:29 |
| |darone| | how can i compile something (c++) ? | 03:30 |
| angasule | so, if I get an N810, can I develop for it and have it work on the N900? | 03:30 |
| lcuk | |darone|, usually with a compiler | 03:30 |
| angasule | maemo 5 doesn't work on N810, right? I better read more about mer | 03:31 |
| lcuk | angasule, gtk works with small alterations | 03:31 |
| lcuk | liq* stuff works well too | 03:31 |
| angasule | liq*? I don't know that, is that related to qt in any way? | 03:31 |
| lcuk | no | 03:32 |
| lcuk | its just something i have been writing for a while | 03:32 |
| lcuk | does nice things on n810 | 03:32 |
| * lcuk likes this review of his app he just found | 03:32 | |
| lcuk | http://mynokiablog.com/2009/12/20/liqflow-on-the-n900-simple-visual-delight/ | 03:32 |
| angasule | N810 has no qt whatsoever? | 03:32 |
| lcuk | (just one of the liqbase things) | 03:32 |
| |darone| | i didn't find a way to install a cpp compiler =/ | 03:32 |
| lcuk | 810 has qt | 03:32 |
| lcuk | |darone|, on the device itself? | 03:33 |
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| lcuk | and a development environment requires much more than just a compiler | 03:33 |
| angasule | lcuk: thanks, neat | 03:33 |
| |darone| | n900 | 03:33 |
| angasule | I'm familiar with Qt3 and 4, with GTK not so much | 03:33 |
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| Italodance | hey guys | 03:38 |
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| Italodance | N900 will not allow USB OTG! is it true? | 03:38 |
| n900evil | yes | 03:39 |
| n900evil | it is unclear if host mode works. | 03:39 |
| angasule | I believe the connectors is physically different? | 03:40 |
| Italodance | n900evil tnx for reply | 03:41 |
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| n900evil | ang: yes | 03:48 |
| n900evil | but in principle that does not mater. | 03:48 |
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| johnx | merry christmas! :D | 05:37 |
| SmilyOrg | merry xmas to you too :) | 05:39 |
| johnx | thanks | 05:40 |
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| johnx | seems a bit quiet, but I guess EU isn't awake yet... | 05:40 |
| SmilyOrg | yeah, we are sleeping currently | 05:41 |
| SmilyOrg | since it's 4:41 am | 05:41 |
| johnx | you type pretty well for being asleep... | 05:41 |
| SmilyOrg | oh thanks, it's my hobby | 05:49 |
| luke-jr | johnx: Mary Christ Mass! | 05:49 |
| johnx | luke-jr, and good will towards dudes :D | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | johnx: that is a blatent mistranslation -.- | 05:50 |
| Arkenoi | why does screen blank function affect composite video? is it intended behavior, a bug or design limitation? | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | johnx: "Glory to God in the highest; and on Earth, peace to men of good will." | 05:51 |
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| Milo- | where should I report to if application from -devel seems to work perfectly and I want to promote it to testing? | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | johnx: you only get teh peace if you already are of good will :p | 05:51 |
| johnx | luke-jr, I'm not religious. I'm just more of a golden-rule type guy ;) | 05:52 |
| johnx | Milo-, if you're not the person who put it there, try and find the person who *did* put it there and tell them I think | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | johnx: bah humbug to you too then | 05:52 |
| Milo- | johnx okay | 05:53 |
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| Milo- | though, I need to check if the app is optified first | 05:53 |
| johnx | luke-jr, :D but really, doesn't the whole religion thing distill down to "Do as you would be done by"? | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | johnx: nope | 05:54 |
| Arkenoi | johnx: it's a common misconception, actually relegion is not about ethics at all | 05:54 |
| Milo- | flashlight doesn't seem to be optified | 05:55 |
| Milo- | shame on those devels | 05:55 |
| SmilyOrg | i can't imagine flashlight being that big though | 05:56 |
| johnx | how much does it keep in / ? | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | johnx: "Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword." :p | 05:56 |
| Milo- | SmilyOrg small things will build up to a oot | 05:56 |
| Milo- | alot, even | 05:56 |
| Milo- | and all packages should be optified | 05:57 |
| SmilyOrg | true | 05:57 |
| johnx | ah, really? I guess I never kept up with what Nokia wanted | 05:57 |
| johnx | huh, though if everything is supposed to be optified, I wonder why they don't do it at install time... | 05:58 |
| SmilyOrg | unless the smaller flash is faster or something | 05:58 |
| johnx | it is | 05:58 |
| johnx | that's why Nokia uses it ;) | 05:58 |
| johnx | otherwise they could keep / where /opt is and not have to worry about this "optify" stuff | 05:58 |
| SmilyOrg | johnx i think that there's a thing that can optify packages, but isn't finished/robust enough or something? | 05:59 |
| SmilyOrg | yeah, i guess :) | 05:59 |
| * Arkenoi still does not have enough courage to try cp -Rp /usr/share /home/share; ln -sfT /home/share /usr/share | 06:00 | |
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| Milo- | linking can brick your device | 06:01 |
| johnx | Arkenoi, and your lack of courage has kept your device booting. congratulations | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: why not mv? | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | /usr should never be needed for booting | 06:01 |
| johnx | brick is an awful strong word. but it probably won't boot until you reflash | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | much less /usr/share | 06:01 |
| Arkenoi | johnx: why should it break? | 06:01 |
| johnx | because /opt is mounted after stuff in /usr is needed | 06:02 |
| Milo- | Arkenoi some necessary parts are in there | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | ... | 06:02 |
| Milo- | though | 06:02 |
| Milo- | mount order CAN be changed | 06:02 |
| AakashPatel | Is there any *good* multiprotocal chat client for maemo/ | 06:03 |
| AakashPatel | protocol* | 06:03 |
| Arkenoi | i have 90+% used space on / and i wonder if i will be able to perform system update when it is available | 06:03 |
| johnx | AakashPatel, the default one and pidgin is there I think | 06:03 |
| AakashPatel | pidgin sucks on the n900 | 06:03 |
| AakashPatel | >.> | 06:03 |
| johnx | Milo-, yup. and if you start getting into messing with that I have some ideas and suggestions, too | 06:03 |
| AakashPatel | (the integration) | 06:03 |
| johnx | yeah. no surprise :P | 06:04 |
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| AakashPatel | I wonder how hard it would be to make pidgin-facebookchat work with the chat client in maemo | 06:04 |
| Arkenoi | and i guess if i change mount order it almost certainly breaks things if i do update the core system components | 06:04 |
| Arkenoi | some unexpected parts may be overwritten and i will get bricked | 06:05 |
| johnx | AakashPatel, probably not too hard. Does it work with the telepathy IM client in gnome? | 06:05 |
| AakashPatel | Hmmm lemme see | 06:05 |
| johnx | Arkenoi, well. not bricked. but a reflash is certainly likely | 06:05 |
| AakashPatel | http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/ | 06:06 |
| AakashPatel | erm wrong window | 06:06 |
| johnx | what I think is kind of interesting is something like unionfs and letting the core system stay in the small flash, while "extras" apps install to /opt automagically | 06:06 |
| Arkenoi | so i am looking for most non-intrusive way to free some space on / (but not uninstalling, optifying and reinstalling everything by hand) | 06:06 |
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| Arkenoi | preferably something that can be done on the live system | 06:07 |
| AakashPatel | Empathy / Telepathy-Haze | 06:07 |
| AakashPatel | johnx: is that what you mean? | 06:07 |
| johnx | yup | 06:07 |
| AakashPatel | :0 | 06:07 |
| johnx | Arkenoi, look up ccooke's script on talk.maemo.org and let it optify the maps stuff | 06:07 |
| AakashPatel | it works in ubuntu on empathy | 06:07 |
| AakashPatel | ive used it | 06:07 |
| johnx | yeah. the built-in client uses the telepathy stuff. there are some plugins for it in extras-devel | 06:08 |
| johnx | do you have the maemo sdk installed? | 06:08 |
| AakashPatel | Yessuh | 06:08 |
| johnx | get cracking! | 06:08 |
| AakashPatel | Do i just cross compile it? | 06:08 |
| AakashPatel | and install? | 06:08 |
| johnx | no idea really :) | 06:09 |
| AakashPatel | Well, should it just install like how it does on ubuntu? | 06:09 |
| Arkenoi | johnx, thanks, will try it | 06:09 |
| AakashPatel | the same way it works in empathy? | 06:09 |
| johnx | uhm. I actually don't know. you'll probably want to get the source package for "telepathy-account-plugins" or similar on maemo, then get the source for your facebook chat plugin, then start digging | 06:11 |
| AakashPatel | Eh okay | 06:11 |
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| AakashPatel | This should be fun >.< | 06:18 |
| johnx | diff will be your new best friend ;) | 06:19 |
| AakashPatel | Lol | 06:22 |
| AakashPatel | Hmm okay on ubuntu i had to install the package and then delete /usr/share/telepathy/managers/haze.manager | 06:25 |
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| AakashPatel | hmm does telepathy-haze exist for maemo? | 06:29 |
| johnx | yeah. I think so | 06:29 |
| johnx | in extras-devel | 06:29 |
| AakashPatel | zomg | 06:29 |
| zerojay | telepathy-haze is one of the main packages used for IM. | 06:29 |
| AakashPatel | thats all i need | 06:29 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 06:29 |
| AakashPatel | :D | 06:29 |
| AakashPatel | im happy as hell right now | 06:30 |
| zerojay | So yes, Haze does exist... and the main developer hangs here. | 06:30 |
| zerojay | Why do you need it? | 06:30 |
| AakashPatel | ive been wanting facebookcchat forever | 06:30 |
| zerojay | Yeah, they're already working on that. | 06:30 |
| zerojay | It won't work if you just try to throw it in there as far as I know. | 06:30 |
| zerojay | I've already tried. | 06:30 |
| AakashPatel | oh :( | 06:30 |
| AakashPatel | who do i talk to about it? | 06:30 |
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| zerojay | Just wait it out. | 06:31 |
| zerojay | It's already being worked on. | 06:31 |
| AakashPatel | ehhh | 06:31 |
| zerojay | Collabora are working on it, as far as I know. | 06:33 |
| zerojay | Along with other protocols. | 06:33 |
| zerojay | Coming to extras-devel when ready. | 06:33 |
| RobertH[AU] | zerojay: you can already use it for msn i believe | 06:33 |
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| zerojay | RobertH[AU]: Use facebookchat for msn? | 06:33 |
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| AakashPatel | Well, at least i have confirmation taht someone is working on it now :) | 06:34 |
| RobertH[AU] | zerojay: no, telepathy-haze is already implemented i think | 06:34 |
| RobertH[AU] | in development | 06:34 |
| AakashPatel | ill check right now :P | 06:34 |
| RobertH[AU] | it doesn't have all the bugs ironed out yet | 06:34 |
| zerojay | AakashPatel: Don't simply install telepathy-haze. Install the account plugins which are needed, otherwise telepathy-haze alone won't work. | 06:34 |
| RobertH[AU] | yeah | 06:35 |
| RobertH[AU] | they don't work 100% yet though | 06:35 |
| AakashPatel | Oh hmm | 06:35 |
| zerojay | RobertH[AU]: Yes, telepathy-haze has been in extras-devel for months already. I know, I was one of the first to install it on an N900 prototype outside of Nokia. lol | 06:35 |
| RobertH[AU] | zerojay: oh right | 06:35 |
| AakashPatel | Lol | 06:36 |
| zerojay | I tinkered with getting facebookchat and twitter working with OS2008 with varying degrees of success through telepathy-haze and sent my stuff over to the haze developer to get it up and running on the N900. | 06:36 |
| AakashPatel | How long ago was this? | 06:37 |
| zerojay | 4 or 5 months. | 06:37 |
| zerojay | They told me they were working on them. | 06:37 |
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| zerojay | One of my buddies got Twitter fully integrated and operational: http://rabbitrun84.blogspot.com/2009/12/twitter-plugin-for-n900-contacts-and.html | 06:38 |
| AakashPatel | Did they release it? Or no? | 06:39 |
| AakashPatel | Oh wait, that post was from this month | 06:39 |
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| AakashPatel | ...yesterday | 06:40 |
| AakashPatel | hah | 06:40 |
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| zerojay | It's not done yet, so it's not released. | 06:40 |
| AakashPatel | Yeah, i thought for sec taht was an old post | 06:40 |
| AakashPatel | Is that the same dude workin on the haze stuff? | 06:41 |
| AakashPatel | (asking cuz i see he has MSN(haze)) | 06:41 |
| johnx | MSN haze is already released | 06:42 |
| AakashPatel | hmm i search for "msn" on maemo.org/packages | 06:43 |
| AakashPatel | nuffin there | 06:43 |
| johnx | well, not "released" to extras yet, just extras-devel | 06:43 |
| AakashPatel | that includes extras-devel? am i mistaken? | 06:44 |
| johnx | does it? guess it does... | 06:44 |
| johnx | search for telepathy instead | 06:45 |
| AakashPatel | i dont see anything about MSN | 06:46 |
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| AakashPatel | "The way all my conversations like Twitter, FB or Skype are integrated on the N900 leaves me speechless. Best thing ever!!" -submono twitter | 06:47 |
| AakashPatel | looks like its workin o.o | 06:47 |
| johnx | http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-haze/ <- that's what I'm using for MSN | 06:47 |
| RobertH[AU] | johnx: does it put all your old msn contacts (even ones you have deleted) in your contacts list like the butterfly plugin? that was really annoyinh | 06:50 |
| AakashPatel | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libpurple-twitter-protocol/ | 06:51 |
| AakashPatel | looks like that was released zerojay | 06:51 |
| johnx | maybe? I didn't think it put my deleted ones in, but it definitely doesn't "do the right thing" when the -haze version and -butterfly version are configured with the same MSN account | 06:51 |
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| johnx | hallo rm_you | 06:58 |
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| zerojay | AakashPatel: I wasn't talking about the twitter plugin being released. | 07:28 |
| AakashPatel | oh | 07:29 |
| AakashPatel | nvm then | 07:29 |
| zerojay | I know it was released since my friend made the announcement yesterday. :) | 07:29 |
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| AakashPatel | Oh hehe | 07:30 |
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| Macer | ok | 08:08 |
| Macer | i seriously need to break down | 08:09 |
| Macer | and get an n900 :) | 08:09 |
| Macer | this G1 has me about to throw it off a tall building | 08:09 |
| Macer | or at least android does | 08:09 |
| zash | BUT ALL THE HYPE!! | 08:11 |
| zash | HOW CAN IT BE BAD WITH ALL THAT HYPE? | 08:11 |
| Macer | zash: well. it's not bad | 08:12 |
| Macer | but it's not good either :) | 08:12 |
| zash | what's bad? | 08:14 |
| Macer | well | 08:14 |
| Macer | the self killing of apps when mem is low | 08:14 |
| Macer | is probably the worst | 08:14 |
| Macer | the lack of good quality apps is another | 08:14 |
| Macer | every time you update a rom you have to refresh this dalvik cache that takes like 10 minutes to do on a G1 | 08:15 |
| Macer | even if you just install a theme | 08:15 |
| Macer | but the worst like i said was the way it kills apps by itself when the mem starts to get low | 08:15 |
| Macer | that shit is driving me up the wall | 08:15 |
| Macer | opening 3 apps will kill app 1 | 08:16 |
| Macer | beecause android would rather close your apps than ask you wha tto do :) because people are naturally stupid like that | 08:16 |
| Macer | then now i have a service that is running that shouldn't be that is taking up 16MB of ram and i can't figure out how to get rid of it | 08:16 |
| Macer | yeah. i think it is just time to suck it up and buy an n900 | 08:16 |
| Macer | was waiting for the wimax edition though | 08:16 |
| Macer | :) | 08:16 |
| * zash finds the use of linux without normal linux userland somewhat disturbing | 08:17 | |
| zash | and .. java | 08:17 |
| Macer | it isn't even real java | 08:17 |
| Macer | :) | 08:17 |
| zash | precisly | 08:17 |
| Macer | it's some special google made java | 08:17 |
| Macer | that looks almost exactly the same but works differently i suppose | 08:17 |
| zash | sandboxed java-but-not-real-java | 08:18 |
| Macer | wasn't the whole point of java | 08:18 |
| Macer | to be cross platform? | 08:18 |
| Macer | IE is just horrible too | 08:19 |
| Macer | ie8 in win7 is absolute garbage :) | 08:19 |
| Macer | ah well. .bbl. | 08:19 |
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| lucent | Macer: wimax was dead on arrival | 08:25 |
| lucent | I live in one of the US cities where it is available | 08:26 |
| lucent | there's no reason to pursue it | 08:26 |
| lucent | it's barely faster than EDGE | 08:26 |
| lucent | the ISP wants a 2 year contract... which if you're lucky the company will still be around in 2 years | 08:27 |
| lucent | if not you're out whatever it costs up front | 08:27 |
| abulafia | erm | 08:33 |
| abulafia | depends. | 08:33 |
| abulafia | i was at HOPE 2007 | 08:34 |
| abulafia | the internet pipe was a point to point wimax link over the hudson river | 08:34 |
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| mza | wimax is barely faster than edge? really? | 08:36 |
| mza | 46Mbps* / 32Mbps** @ 10MHz | 08:38 |
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| Luria | gah | 08:38 |
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| Luria | wimax is useful, just not the way intended | 08:39 |
| mza | id like to get my hands on an n810w for shits and giggles | 08:39 |
| lucent | yeah if you have your own wimax equip then it's a really neat tech | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | ... | 08:40 |
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| lucent | wimax for ISP last mile is not growing | 08:40 |
| mza | i priced it | 08:41 |
| mza | a wimax link from my office to my bosses house | 08:41 |
| lucent | only a few US cities, and as I mentioned this city (Jackson WY) doesn't looks so great | 08:41 |
| mza | fiber was cheaper | 08:41 |
| lucent | ex-actly. | 08:41 |
| zash | fiber ftw! | 08:41 |
| mza | yea it was pretty sad | 08:41 |
| mza | http://www.welectronics.com/ULTRA-MOBILE-PCs/NOKIA-N810-WIMAX-EDITION-INTERNET-TABLET.HTML | 08:42 |
| mza | that black sure is sexy | 08:42 |
| lucent | i'm stuck with EDGE speeds though because T-Mobile doesn't offer 3G network here | 08:42 |
| luke-jr | what about ad-hoc WiMax? | 08:42 |
| mza | they do here but, i dont have my damn device yet | 08:43 |
| luke-jr | they do here, I think, but it's too expensive even if I had a device | 08:43 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 08:43 |
| lucent | too expensive? | 08:43 |
| mza | costs the same as the BB service | 08:43 |
| mza | extra $15/mo | 08:43 |
| lucent | I pay 45.06 after taxes a month | 08:43 |
| luke-jr | BB? | 08:43 |
| mza | blackberry | 08:44 |
| Arkenoi | we have a lot of wimax operators here. but n810 just is not compatible :-( | 08:44 |
| luke-jr | lucent: $45 for 5 GB/mo is too much :p | 08:44 |
| lucent | oh the way I did it is pre-pay 500 minute flexpay and then add $10/mo internet | 08:44 |
| lucent | unlimited internet | 08:44 |
| luke-jr | I doubt it | 08:44 |
| mza | id buy the device but work got me one... so im stuck waiting | 08:45 |
| mza | was marked up to $850 | 08:45 |
| mza | at the mall | 08:45 |
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| lucent | T-mobile is a slut when it comes to checking their subscriptions and stuff... so I can get away with this forever | 08:45 |
| Arkenoi | lucent: we have pretty decent speeds. maybe not really faster than hsdpa but at least it is not owned by cellular network operators | 08:45 |
| mza | then 10 feet away they had it for $699 | 08:45 |
| mza | ill wait | 08:45 |
| lucent | yeah I am surprised the price shot up so high even more than pre-order | 08:45 |
| mza | they were as low as $450 on amazon | 08:46 |
| lucent | I got pre-order for $529.99 and then there's that mysterious $50 visa gift card I can send in for | 08:46 |
| mza | nice | 08:46 |
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| lucent | mza: $450 I think was after the rebate visa card | 08:46 |
| mza | oh | 08:46 |
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| lucent | that's a bit deceiving since nobody can actually send in for the rebate card | 08:47 |
| lucent | Ovi Store doesn't work for N900 | 08:47 |
| lucent | need to activate Ovi Store from the N900 to qualify | 08:47 |
| abulafia | arg, damn at&t | 08:47 |
| abulafia | i could use some wimax | 08:48 |
| lucent | for those of you without a N900 in-hand, it's just this average device I guess and a early adopter's gadget | 08:49 |
| lucent | if you have some old candybar phone like I had, it's really a step up | 08:50 |
| mza | im on a blackberry 8900 | 08:50 |
| mza | had a G1 for a minute | 08:50 |
| mza | e71 in between | 08:50 |
| lucent | blackberry will do email better and quicker than anything else out there | 08:50 |
| Arkenoi | is there a way to stay with builtin audio while using video output? my projectors speakers are silly | 08:50 |
| lucent | Arkenoi: I think it must be possible | 08:51 |
| mza | lucent: yea:( i just love my n810 | 08:51 |
| mza | ive had my n810 for 2 years, only "gadget" ive had that long that i use every day | 08:52 |
| lucent | mza: I saw an N800 when I had just purchased a sharp zaurus | 08:52 |
| lucent | I thought "wow I made a bad choice" | 08:52 |
| lucent | zaurus c3000 | 08:53 |
| mza | my buddy had a zaurus, he said it was neat | 08:53 |
| lucent | the zaurus OS choices never, and I mean to this very day, never matured to where Maemo is right now | 08:53 |
| mza | im still in search of that "perfect device" | 08:54 |
| mza | the e61i was close | 08:54 |
| mza | very close | 08:54 |
| mza | just no 3g | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | lucent: shipped software always sucks. I'm only interested in the hardware. | 08:54 |
| mza | yea, i tell people how much better maemo is than android, nobody believes | 08:55 |
| lucent | host usb is about all I really miss from the N900 | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | lucent: the Zaurus clamshell line is the best I've ever seen for general design, but unfortunately like 4 or 5 generations obsolete :( | 08:55 |
| lucent | also I heard that the USB port on the N900 will snap off over time | 08:55 |
| mza | oh that's great news | 08:55 |
| lucent | I don't understand if that is a known problem with just the early prototypes or if it applies to production units | 08:55 |
| Arkenoi | lucent, how to do it? | 08:55 |
| lucent | host usb on N900 is not wired. | 08:56 |
| lucent | it just won't happen. | 08:56 |
| mza | oh that's disappointing | 08:56 |
| mza | you guys are full of great news | 08:56 |
| lucent | I was in the market for a phone that does web browsing with flash, so the N900 is no regrets | 08:57 |
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| abulafia | is it heresy to love my 2007 htc kaiser? | 08:58 |
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| lucent | ha | 08:58 |
| lucent | glad the N900 does not use D-Pad | 08:59 |
| Luria | i have found little compelling reason to change to any newer phone | 08:59 |
| lucent | D-Pad is horrid | 08:59 |
| * luke-jr boots up his N810 to remember yet another reason he's pissed at Nokia | 08:59 | |
| Luria | theres nothing new on an at&t n900, yeah? | 08:59 |
| lucent | um, that won't be likely to happen | 09:00 |
| Luria | regardless, no google maps would suck. | 09:00 |
| lucent | AT&T has an exclusivity agreement with Apple | 09:00 |
| Luria | ok, thought so | 09:00 |
| lucent | they won't carry another phone to compete with the iPhone until the agreement is up sometime 2010 | 09:00 |
| mza | that makes no sense | 09:00 |
| Luria | oh, i thought the restriction was the other way around | 09:00 |
| mza | t-mobile isn't "carrying" the N900 | 09:01 |
| mza | they just built it to work on their network | 09:01 |
| Luria | and that was my other objection | 09:01 |
| mza | why cant they do the same for AT&T? | 09:01 |
| lucent | T-Mobile uses the same bands as european carriers | 09:01 |
| lucent | what's so difficult to understand about that? | 09:01 |
| mza | uhm | 09:01 |
| Luria | ok lucent now i know youre wrong | 09:01 |
| lucent | what? | 09:01 |
| Luria | tmobile uses 1700/2100up | 09:02 |
| Luria | its unique to region 2 | 09:02 |
| * lucent pokes reference | 09:02 | |
| lucent | oh, bleh | 09:02 |
| Luria | in fact, other than a minor regional carrier or two, they are the only national carrier in the world to use that band | 09:02 |
| lucent | sorry I had bad information, I guess their 2100 is not the same as in Europe | 09:03 |
| Luria | thats because tmobile is on 1700, by convention the downstream is the band name | 09:04 |
| Luria | the fact that it uses 2100up has nothing to do with the 2100mhz euro service | 09:05 |
| Luria | at&t is kind of unique, but canadian carriers use the same band. more importantly -and this is why im so confused by nokias choice - there are a lot more tri/quad hspa tx chips that do more asia/eu bands with the at&t band | 09:06 |
| Luria | that plus the user base for att+rogers makes tmobile look regional | 09:07 |
| lucent | I was with AT&T for 5+ years even back when it was Cingular | 09:08 |
| Luria | heh, me too. my mom still has an at&t sim card from the original at&t wireless | 09:09 |
| lucent | $48.86/month seemed like a lot to pay for just basic service and no messaging or internet | 09:09 |
| Luria | depends how you do it | 09:09 |
| Luria | i bought my own phone, so my $76 with tax and fine print aint bad... | 09:10 |
| Luria | when i get away with tethering | 09:10 |
| Luria | i dont use calling that much | 09:10 |
| Luria | oh this keyboard is kinda awesome | 09:12 |
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| Macer | hm | 09:19 |
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| Macer | blah | 09:19 |
| kamui | Im getting my N900 monday :) been reading the maemo.org community chat, is 64bit windows 7 supported now for reflashing the device? | 09:21 |
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| Macer | http://lolwat.net/i/fe/febc7f0af3eec41d511bc5210d2c87b6.png | 09:25 |
| Macer | :) | 09:25 |
| * RST38h prefers the right picture by the way | 09:25 | |
| Luria | worst case, a vm, no? | 09:26 |
| RST38h | even althouhg both of them are probably taken on Windows. | 09:26 |
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| zash | openvpn on n900? | 09:34 |
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| Arkenoi | i guess using internal audio and external video is either not possible or very tricky.. i could not find any way to tune audio output | 09:39 |
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| Arkenoi | hmm, quite interesting: while in media player, external video is _not_ exact clone of screen output. may it be possible for audio as well? but there are no settings for that :-( | 09:52 |
| RST38h | why is it not an exact clone? | 09:54 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: if you activate a menu, it is displayed on builtin screen only and does not appear on the video out | 09:56 |
| Arkenoi | video out keeps movie picture only | 09:56 |
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| RST38h | Ah | 10:05 |
| RST38h | so there is an extra buffer of some kind | 10:05 |
| Arkenoi | for sound, does it switch on hardware level when i plug 3.5mm jack in, or is it software driven? | 10:07 |
| RST38h | I *think* it is a software switch | 10:07 |
| RST38h | at least there were some tools to enable/disable the switch | 10:08 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, really? where can i find it? | 10:08 |
| RST38h | I never really tried it, no longer remember where I saw it | 10:09 |
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| RST38h | search for "headphones" on tmo | 10:09 |
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| bobbyd | mornin' | 10:19 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, cannot find anything relevant :-( | 10:24 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: The best people to ask will be lardman and Stskeeps then | 10:25 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: One of them may know the whole story | 10:25 |
| RST38h | Oh, wait, you may also want to try amixer :) | 10:26 |
| RST38h | amixer should let you control the audio routing to wherever you want | 10:26 |
| bobbyd | what's the problem? | 10:26 |
| luke-jr | how do 3D displays deal with focus? | 10:26 |
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| bobbyd | bounce provides it's own widgets to minimise and close the window I noticed | 10:27 |
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| bobbyd | 28#_35+/controls | 10:28 |
| bobbyd | widgets/controls | 10:29 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, hmm.. which parameters should i provide? i am not very familliar with sound subsystems. alsa-mixer by default provides only one "master output" control and that's all | 10:32 |
| RST38h | google for amixer? | 10:32 |
| bobbyd | Arkenoi: what are you trying to do? | 10:32 |
| villager | RST38h: the different tv-out is probably really an "extra buffer", but an Xv overlay, which are also scaled independently by the hardware even on desktop computers | 10:33 |
| Arkenoi | bobbyd: trying to route sound to internal speakers while 3.5mm jack is plugged in. my projector speaker is true shit | 10:33 |
| bobbyd | Arkenoi: ahh | 10:34 |
| villager | I meant "probably not really an extra buffer" | 10:34 |
| bobbyd | Arkenoi: I'm not sure how that works, but I think pulseaudio is controlling it | 10:35 |
| bobbyd | as you say, there's only one output when you run alsamixer | 10:35 |
| bobbyd | so I think mixing is happening in pulseaudio | 10:36 |
| bobbyd | not sure though | 10:36 |
| bobbyd | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain#PulseAudio | 10:37 |
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| SmilyOrg | the fm receiver radio application thing has an option to play the radio through speakers when the headphones are plugged in, so it's definitely possible | 10:41 |
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| Arkenoi | well, i guess it is possible with amixer but i still cannot get how to do it :-( | 10:45 |
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| wazd | heya all | 11:54 |
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| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | how's your xmas so far? | 11:56 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: In soviet russia, we have xmas on 7th of Jan :) | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah yes | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least that's better than friggen meatless xmas eve | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:57 |
| * Stskeeps had a bit of a culture shock | 11:58 | |
| wazd | Stskeeps: and it's more of a christian holiday, we have NY for c-trees and presents :) | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:59 |
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| Arkenoi | hmm, funny thing: if i use video out to 4:3 projector from the desktop, i get empty space above and below. But if i play 4:3 video from media player, i get it almost fullscreen, not double cropped as one may expect! | 12:04 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: transformed? | 12:07 |
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| wazd | aaah | 12:08 |
| wazd | got it, sorry :) | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: so what is today's blog going to be? | 12:08 |
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| lbt | good morning all | 12:09 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: make an educated guess :P | 12:10 |
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| RST38h | http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Court_slams_Bosnia_for_barring_Jews_12222009.html | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you're going to make a design suggestion for maemoporn.org? | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Don't give him any wrong ideas. | 12:10 |
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| wazd | RST38h: actually yes :D | 12:11 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: also some people don't understand you are making UI suggestions for some reason.. there's some mean comments related to that :) | 12:12 |
| lbt | where? | 12:12 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: where?! I'll kill them! :D | 12:12 |
| RST38h | KILL KILL 'EM ALL | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: xchat one :P | 12:14 |
| * RST38h knew he was getting Nigerian Christmas greetings for a reason yesterday. | 12:14 | |
| RST38h | Umgh. | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: instructions to go blow up a plane? | 12:15 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: No, just an email saying "Christmas greetings to all Nigerians bla bla bla" | 12:15 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Looked like spam, deleted it. But NOW is see that it was Secret Instructions from Osama himself! | 12:16 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, people have different points of view, I'm ready to discuss anything :) | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, yeah | 12:16 |
| wazd | RST38h: have you seen my xchat concept btw? | 12:17 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yea. Nice. But who is gonna do it? | 12:17 |
| * RST38h cant even build xchat here | 12:17 | |
| wazd | RST38h: that's the question :) | 12:17 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Maybe if I read that email to the end, I would be all "KILL THE INFIDELS! KILL! KILL!" right now =) | 12:18 |
| RST38h | OMG, Apple stock is $204 today.... | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: someone mentioned jobs liked the tablet concept | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: And that was enough to send the stock up? | 12:19 |
| RST38h | This world has gone insane. | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: seemingily | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder when the apple stock bubble will explode | 12:19 |
| lbt | when I buy some | 12:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: now we need to make the Jobs say that he likes VAZ cars :D | 12:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: No, please. | 12:20 |
| RST38h | Just nuke the place. Cover ruins with the large concrete slab. | 12:21 |
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| pekuja | has anybody else had problems with xchat crashing all the time? | 12:31 |
| lbt | interesting comment at the close of bug 5357 | 12:31 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# | 12:31 |
| lbt | "but it's up to you guys if you prefer to keep this open until the fix hits a public release." | 12:32 |
| pekuja | currently using irssi, but it's not really optimal because I can't really take advantage of the touch screen | 12:32 |
| pekuja | which would be useful for changing channels for example | 12:34 |
| pekuja | irssi is great if you actually have a real keyboard though | 12:34 |
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| Arkenoi | mpro120 battery life is not bad at all. when official specs state "2-4h" i expect to be lucky if i get 2 at least. Actually more like 3.5. | 12:35 |
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| Arkenoi | does n900 support CSD calls? | 12:45 |
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| ShadowJK | i'd doubt it | 12:47 |
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| Stskeeps | CSD? | 12:48 |
| Arkenoi | circuit switched data. what is named "data call" (not internet) | 12:50 |
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| Arkenoi | ShadowJK, it is pretty standard for most gsm phones.. | 12:57 |
| ShadowJK | n900 isn't a phone ;-) | 12:58 |
| ShadowJK | CSD isn't listed in the specs either, so that confirms it probably | 12:58 |
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| ShadowJK | It doesn't support multiple APNs on packet data, doesn't do 3G video calls, 3G video sharing, 3G picture sharing, PTT, and alot of other things | 13:01 |
| ShadowJK | It's basically like a mobile computer, with a 3G modem, and then the minimum amount of features implemented to be able to make a gsm or 3g voice call too | 13:01 |
| ShadowJK | oh and sms, but that's pretty much it | 13:02 |
| ShadowJK | and no fax support! | 13:04 |
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| fdv | is there a way to add alt to the soft key bar in xterm? | 13:06 |
| Arkenoi | ShadowJK, all you listed here are software limitation which can be bypassed by future firmware releases | 13:06 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah but the question is whether anyone will bother | 13:06 |
| ShadowJK | I think they're hoping for those legacy techs to die out | 13:06 |
| fdv | and does anybody know if 'less' is available from some repo? | 13:06 |
| ShadowJK | fdv, alt for use with irssi? Press esc then a number | 13:06 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I think it's in the SDK tools repo maybe | 13:06 |
| fdv | ShadowJK: well, in general. I use it all the time. :) | 13:07 |
| ShadowJK | in general esc followed by key is equivalent to alt key | 13:07 |
| fdv | ShadowJK: thanks for the tip, works perfectly :) | 13:08 |
| fdv | good point, forgot about that. | 13:08 |
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| fdv | still, emacs wo alt is somewhat sad | 13:08 |
| fdv | yeah, that's another issue. the symbol table won't pop up under qemacs, is this due to it being tied to hildon or something? | 13:09 |
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| fdv | and in vim, cr inserts a line above the one you're at and enters an 'M'. might be archaic vi behavior, for all I know. :-) | 13:12 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 13:17 |
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| Vengeful[zZzZz] | ok it's now confirmed that my phone works using the off mode trick, problem is that now the battery life is only 10 hours in standby | 13:18 |
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| Vengeful[zZzZz] | re enabling the off mode and disabling the voltage thing should do the same preserving battery life right? | 13:19 |
| LuciusMare | what is the off mode? | 13:19 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | if you aren't affected by random reboots | 13:20 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | nothing you should care about | 13:20 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | because your phone is better than mine XD | 13:20 |
| LuciusMare | ok | 13:20 |
| LuciusMare | so | 13:20 |
| LuciusMare | ~ $ maemo-optify-deb MyDocs/.documents/mplayer_1.0svn2_armel.deb | 13:20 |
| LuciusMare | Can't locate File/Find.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.3 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/maemo-optify-deb line 5. | 13:20 |
| LuciusMare | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/maemo-optify-deb line 5. | 13:21 |
| LuciusMare | anyone w/ same problem? | 13:21 |
| ShadowJK | the MPlayer in extras-devel is already optified? | 13:21 |
| LuciusMare | i am not sure | 13:22 |
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| ShadowJK | i'm sure | 13:22 |
| LuciusMare | i'll check | 13:22 |
| LuciusMare | so it is optified? | 13:22 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 13:23 |
| ShadowJK | I have 1.0svn20091221-1 from extras-devel installed, and it's optified | 13:23 |
| * Arkenoi wonders if there are that many faulty n900's? many people complain about reboots and/or battery being drained in 8-10h | 13:24 | |
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| Shapeshifter | Arkenoi: I also have the impression that there are quite a few duds out there. I don't know if there are more faulty devices compared to any other device shortly after the first launch / first batches though. | 13:26 |
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| Arkenoi | Shapeshifter, typical symptoms are quite common - and the rest of us never experience problems like that | 13:29 |
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| wazd | http://img2.pict.com/d0/03/3a/2281990/0/17456114652207712416497151753571.jpg :D | 13:32 |
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| wazd | wee, previous montly visits record is successfuly broken :) | 13:37 |
| ShadowJK | hm.. I could have the random reboot problem but I wouldn't know | 13:38 |
| ShadowJK | xchat is effectively keeping CPU from never going into off mode | 13:38 |
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| RST38h | wazd: eek. | 13:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: There is some Italian comics artist working along similar lines, except that he appears to be deadly serious =) | 13:41 |
| wazd | :D | 13:41 |
| konttori | so, how many people have pr1.1? | 13:43 |
| konttori | browser | 13:43 |
| konttori | shift + ctrl + o | 13:43 |
| RST38h | konttori: Should ask Andre | 13:44 |
| konttori | close kb, turn to portrait | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: that detail seems not leaked to bloggers :P | 13:44 |
| konttori | oh, ups ;) | 13:45 |
| LuciusMare | what that does? | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | (i think people know of it but bloggers that hear rumours think "NO PORTRAIT MODE!!!" or something) | 13:45 |
| RST38h | Oh, so you finally enabled portrait mode? | 13:45 |
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| RST38h | konttori: Can you please make shift-ctrol-o and shift-ctrl-i stick between browser invokations? | 13:46 |
| konttori | there is a key in brpwser cpnfig files to make it permanent | 13:47 |
| red | huh, browser works in portrait? | 13:49 |
| * LuciusMare doesnt know what the hell are you talking about | 13:49 | |
| konttori | it wasn't good enough that we would have added it as proper option. But it's good enough for people to try it out a bit. | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: http://thenokiablog.com/2009/12/25/nokia-n900-firmware-update-pr11/ | 13:49 |
| konttori | so, that's the reason it's not there by default | 13:49 |
| red | how do I enable it then? :) | 13:49 |
| red | ah shift ctrl, not fn + control | 13:50 |
| red | or not | 13:50 |
| RST38h | konttori: Coooooooool | 13:51 |
| RST38h | konttori: So, when do we actually see the PR 1.1? | 13:51 |
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| LuciusMare | meh | 13:52 |
| LuciusMare | shift+ctrl+o does not do anything here | 13:52 |
| red | neither for me, but shift+ctrl+i briefly flashes the screen | 13:53 |
| LuciusMare | lemme try that | 13:53 |
| red | but then again, I don't have the browser version konttori was referring to I guess | 13:53 |
| ShadowJK | LuciusMare, only with the new firmware that's only released to testers | 13:53 |
| LuciusMare | yup,it flashes | 13:53 |
| LuciusMare | aw | 13:53 |
| ShadowJK | I think shift-ctrl+i was the reflow thing, try zoom in and out after presing that | 13:54 |
| ShadowJK | is available in 42-11 too | 13:54 |
| red | oh well, have gotten use to landscape pretty nicely, but would still like 1 handed portrait mode use when im smoking (always seem to pull out my phone during that :p) | 13:54 |
| LuciusMare | red: smoking is butt for your health | 13:54 |
| red | so is being a nerd | 13:55 |
| red | harhar | 13:55 |
| LuciusMare | heh,eh... :( | 13:55 |
| red | but for when driving / need other hand for smokng etc, would be nice to have the portrait | 13:55 |
| LuciusMare | but you're a nerd AND you smoke | 13:55 |
| red | it's coming so no worries :) | 13:55 |
| LuciusMare | so its twice as bad | 13:55 |
| red | i was waiting for you to point that out :D | 13:55 |
| ShadowJK | hm... what was the trick to get portrait mode.. | 13:56 |
| red | ctrl+shift+i -> close keyb and turn phone as far as I understood it | 13:56 |
| RST38h | no | 13:57 |
| red | o* | 13:57 |
| ShadowJK | no the old one | 13:57 |
| RST38h | oh, you mean o | 13:57 |
| LuciusMare | i? no o? | 13:57 |
| LuciusMare | wait | 13:57 |
| RST38h | i is reflow | 13:57 |
| LuciusMare | meh | 13:57 |
| ShadowJK | I mean the old "bug" | 13:57 |
| RST38h | o is portrait (but apparently only in a new version which none of us have) | 13:57 |
| red | ah that, was a pain to try it | 13:57 |
| LuciusMare | meh | 13:57 |
| red | and buttons wrong way around | 13:57 |
| LuciusMare | yes,its kinda finger-breaking | 13:57 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 13:58 |
| LuciusMare | but when i repartition | 13:58 |
| LuciusMare | will i void the warranty | 13:58 |
| * konttori reads most content in portrati mode now with the large font size | 13:58 | |
| LuciusMare | and can i still get the newer firmwares? | 13:59 |
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| dnaumov | I am a bit baffled why the filesystem for installing apps on the N900 is so limited, it's really trivial to fill it up | 14:01 |
| LuciusMare | lol | 14:01 |
| LuciusMare | thats the reason why i want to repartition :) | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean the 2G/ | 14:01 |
| felipec | dnaumov: external packages should install to /opt | 14:02 |
| * konttori thinks the optify script is not doing particulary good job | 14:03 | |
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| wazd | konttori: heya | 14:03 |
| konttori | red: yeah, you need to be one of the people who have received pr1.1. | 14:04 |
| * konttori has no idea who have access to it | 14:04 | |
| wazd | konttori: I'm on my desktop machine now, I can tell you what TM says to me :) | 14:04 |
| konttori | ok, cool. what OS is your desktop? | 14:04 |
| wazd | konttori: Vista SP2 | 14:04 |
| LuciusMare | huh | 14:05 |
| wazd | konttori: should I run ThemeMakerWindows.bat? | 14:05 |
| konttori | yeah. | 14:05 |
| konttori | I made that bat completely blindly, so I haven't tested windows at all ever. | 14:05 |
| konttori | and I know you won't be able to get a working debian out of it atm. | 14:06 |
| LuciusMare | lol | 14:06 |
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| wazd | konttori: oh, now I get it :D | 14:06 |
| wazd | konttori: it says there's no java | 14:07 |
| konttori | lol | 14:07 |
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| wazd | konttori: but there is, I'm sure ;) | 14:07 |
| LuciusMare | woah | 14:07 |
| konttori | open cmd and type java<enter> | 14:07 |
| LuciusMare | is 77% filled rootfs a lot? | 14:08 |
| wazd | konttori: well, it says "it's not a command" | 14:08 |
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| konttori | well, java is not at least properly setup then | 14:08 |
| konttori | http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/widget/jdk6.jsp | 14:09 |
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| wazd | konttori: well, I can run TM without .bat | 14:09 |
| wazd | konttori: it works | 14:09 |
| LuciusMare | omg | 14:09 |
| LuciusMare | vim, of size 20 MB is not optified. at all. | 14:10 |
| FIQ | O_o | 14:10 |
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| RST38bis | konttori: btw are you aware of performance degradation once the device stays up for 4+ days? | 14:11 |
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| red | u should add a java compiler to PATH | 14:13 |
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| Vengeful[zZzZz] | there is a command to uninstall debian packages in the n900? | 14:14 |
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| Vengeful[zZzZz] | i mean i installed the packet viewer and i noticed something i want uninstall | 14:15 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | there is a way to do so from xterminal? | 14:15 |
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| LuciusMare | Vengeful[zZzZz]: apt-get | 14:17 |
| frals | apt-get remove packagename | 14:17 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | hmmm | 14:17 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | let's try with marbles XD | 14:17 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | isn't working anymore | 14:18 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | and i hate that icon still being there | 14:18 |
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| LuciusMare | ... | 14:20 |
| LuciusMare | anybody got irreco to work? | 14:20 |
| LuciusMare | for me,it doesnt work | 14:21 |
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| konttori | RST38bis: perf deg on 42 or 51? | 14:21 |
| konttori | wazd: the bat sets up java vm size to big enough. | 14:22 |
| villager | Vengeful[zZzZz]: apt-get remove osso-lmarbles | 14:22 |
| konttori | you need it to be able to build theme | 14:23 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | yeah thanks | 14:23 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | this way i can really manage what's in and what's out the device | 14:24 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | thanks | 14:24 |
| RST38bis | konttori: 42 | 14:25 |
| RST38bis | hmmm... irssi package is broken, misses -e in .desktop | 14:26 |
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| angasule | morning :D | 14:29 |
| Tanuva | Can I somehow delete/regenerate the maemo5 media player's music database? There are several songs doubled and many missing... | 14:29 |
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| Tanuva | okay, adding the correct words to my google search term brought the solution... | 14:36 |
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| red | Tanuva: empty it and re-transfer after the phone has generated empty list | 14:48 |
| red | some pro might know what the file is where it has the listings generated, but I dunno :> | 14:48 |
| ManuelSE | did u n900 activate all forwarding? | 14:48 |
| ManuelSE | phone app | 14:49 |
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| LuciusMare_ | hi | 14:49 |
| LuciusMare_ | what to do if my TV is not in the lirc database? (when using irreco) | 14:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: ofcourse 42 :) It's an answer for al questions :) | 14:49 |
| n900evil | hmm | 14:50 |
| Tanuva | red: retransfer ~26gb of music? _last_ choice! :) there's "tracker-processes --hard-reset" but that doesn't really do the job for me yet | 14:50 |
| ManuelSE | you can change tracker speed | 14:51 |
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| n900evil | as I use the browser miore, I see little reason that the maximise icon should not be on the top left. | 14:51 |
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| Vengeful[zZzZz] | there is a way to see the battery lifetime in minutes or % ? | 14:52 |
| ManuelSE | yes | 14:52 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | even from xterminal | 14:52 |
| frals | lshal|grep battery | 14:52 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | thanks | 14:53 |
| red | Tanuva: I have a similar problem myself but haven't arsed to dig into it just yet :) | 14:53 |
| frals | or lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/bme | 14:53 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | i need to compare times with and without off mode | 14:53 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | and with and without voltage settings thing too | 14:53 |
| ManuelSE | does phone radio eat much? | 14:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: the answer to all question is currently "harmattan" = | 14:53 |
| n900evil | man: not idle | 14:53 |
| ManuelSE | k | 14:54 |
| n900evil | oh - xchat - is there a way to complete nicks? | 14:54 |
| ManuelSE | what game honors / implements ctrl-del and pause when lose focus? | 14:55 |
| ManuelSE | hah | 14:55 |
| ManuelSE | maybe remap ctrl i | 14:55 |
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| ManuelSE | automatic nick completion is in settings but it crashed | 14:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: +3 subway stations today | 14:57 |
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| n900evil | man: oooh ctrl-i is pop channel out to own window (or back) | 15:00 |
| LuciusMare_ | what to do if my TV is not in the lirc database? (when using irreco) | 15:01 |
| n900evil | luc: add it with appropriate hardware or look ar irreco web pages | 15:01 |
| n900evil | or svn/git | 15:01 |
| LuciusMare_ | wait,what appropriate hardware? | 15:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: yeah, same boring design | 15:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: have not seen the designs yet | 15:02 |
| wazd | RST38h http://lenta.ru/photo/2009/12/26/mitino/20_Jpg.htm | 15:03 |
| Macer | hm | 15:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: well, looks ok I guess | 15:03 |
| wazd | Quake 3 grade architecture :D | 15:03 |
| Macer | i wonder if i can build gnu type apps for android | 15:03 |
| n900evil | luci: you can capture with some hw - not n900 | 15:03 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Will obviously win from a few ironcast statues of Quake baddies | 15:04 |
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| LuciusMare_ | whoa | 15:04 |
| LuciusMare_ | i dont need any extra hardware when using the universal remote | 15:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: compare to Paveletskaya for example http://www.montreal.mid.ru/0img/metro_photo/134.jpg | 15:04 |
| wazd | boooring :) | 15:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yes, but those were built under absolutely schizo governance | 15:06 |
| ManuelSE | pretty subway | 15:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: So, unless current mayor finally goes nuts and starts building those stations in the shape of beehives (preferably functional ones), I do not see how it can become better | 15:07 |
| thresh | i love moscow metro | 15:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: heh) | 15:07 |
| thresh | except for the people inside | 15:07 |
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| wazd | I love the subway somewhere, where it looks like caves | 15:08 |
| wazd | now that's awesome | 15:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: that will be Disney World? =) | 15:09 |
| konttori | RST38h: it should not have such. only if sgx goes to restart lopp | 15:11 |
| konttori | but that can happen any time | 15:11 |
| LuciusMare_ | hm,i cant find any information about it | 15:11 |
| konttori | so, if it's not that, then i don't know | 15:12 |
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| RST38h | konttori: Weird... | 15:16 |
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| lbt | is there a mini httpd for maemo5 ? | 15:17 |
| RST38h | konttori: it looks more like the overall perf drop, like some resource is becoming scarce | 15:17 |
| ManuelSE | compile thhtpd | 15:18 |
| RST38h | konttori: takes longer for applications to start, taking photos becomes difficult, as thumbnailer takes up to 40-50 seconds to process each photo, rendering device unresponsive | 15:18 |
| RST38h | konttori: media player UI becomes less responsive as well | 15:18 |
| lbt | ManuelSE: OK, I'll look at it | 15:18 |
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| ManuelSE | thttpd | 15:18 |
| RST38h | konttori: the only way to fix it that I know is to reboot, then it all comes back to normal for the next 4 days or so | 15:18 |
| RST38h | konttori: Oh, also, video playback starts stuttering when the problem occurs | 15:19 |
| ManuelSE | i bet a 770 could serve lots of users on a small site with thttpd | 15:20 |
| lbt | why not lighttpd ? any reason? | 15:21 |
| ManuelSE | dunno | 15:21 |
| lbt | *nod* fair enough ;) | 15:22 |
| lbt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_lightweight_web_servers is guiding me to lighttpd + I use that on OBS... | 15:22 |
| lbt | and I mis-spelt it when I apt-get'ed before... | 15:23 |
| lbt | in + running .... cool | 15:23 |
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| richard | o/ howdy | 15:29 |
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| richard1234 | I'm trying to use the fn+sym combination and I can highlight a symbol but I don't know how to paste it into leafpad | 15:30 |
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| angasule | does the N810 ovimaps thingie store the maps locally? | 15:30 |
| ShadowJK | N810 has ovi maps? | 15:31 |
| angasule | doesn't it? :? but it does have a maps thing? | 15:31 |
| ShadowJK | the Maps that comes preinstalled is Navicore Maps, it has locally stored maps | 15:31 |
| angasule | hmm, I guess I should switch to OSM only anyway | 15:33 |
| ManuelSE | is gpodder video working for anyone here? i never get playback | 15:34 |
| ShadowJK | navicore maps are more useful than ovi maps for anavigation, but ovi has actual somewhat uptodate maps | 15:35 |
| ManuelSE | maybe a media player issue | 15:35 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: MAEP. | 15:36 |
| RST38h | Got some bugs but rules overally | 15:36 |
| angasule | ShadowJK: I live in an area that is probably not in navicore, do you know if I can look at the same navicore maps the N810 has somewhere? | 15:38 |
| ManuelSE | rst can emulators get keypressed without language translation? | 15:42 |
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| konttori | RST38h: have you checked if some app is running wild in bg? Like browserd? | 15:43 |
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| konttori | if e.g. the home screen panning is stuttering, then that's a symptom of the sgx restart loop. | 15:43 |
| ManuelSE | i have also seen thumbnailerd spike but not sure how long | 15:43 |
| ManuelSE | aha | 15:43 |
| konttori | but what you are describing sounds indeed more like some bg process running amok | 15:43 |
| ManuelSE | some proccess indeed but which and why:) | 15:44 |
| ManuelSE | zoutube needs sort by date! | 15:44 |
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| RST38h | konttori: Nothing is running wild, checke dwith htop | 15:51 |
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| n900evil | the cpu meters applet is v v handhy | 15:55 |
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| RST38h | kottori: also, it is repeatable (i.e. 4 days without reboot and it stars acting like that) | 16:00 |
| frals | hmm, i had uptime of 9 days before i rebooted, i recognize that symptoms :P | 16:02 |
| frals | -s | 16:02 |
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| ManuelSE | cpu meter applet is essential | 16:03 |
| ManuelSE | think of it as battery use meter | 16:03 |
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| konttori | RST38h: sounds really odd. Although a bit like what we had roughly at W37. At that time, hildon-desktop was leaking x resources. This led slowly (in about a week) into performance degredation. But it was fixed. | 16:07 |
| konttori | you could see the leakage with xrestop | 16:07 |
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| RST38h | konttori: Ok, how do I diagnose that? Where do I get xrestop? =) | 16:13 |
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| RST38h | (and do I understand it correctly that killing hildon-desktop should kinda fix it for another few days?) | 16:13 |
| konttori | And yes, killing desktop would fix it if it was that. | 16:14 |
| konttori | but I don't know where you could get xrestop. | 16:15 |
| konttori | you would be able to use it to profile the issue though. | 16:15 |
| RST38h | all righty, let us see if it is in the sdk repo | 16:15 |
| konttori | I could try to get the profiling tools to be available bit more easily. | 16:15 |
| RST38h | xrestop is in the repo, no problem | 16:16 |
| konttori | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/x/xrestop/ | 16:16 |
| RST38h | yep | 16:16 |
| konttori | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/xrestop/ | 16:16 |
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| LuciusMare | please | 16:18 |
| ShadowJK | angasule, what area? | 16:18 |
| LuciusMare | what to do if my tv is not in the lirc database? | 16:18 |
| angasule | ShadowJK: Buenos Aires (and surrounding area) and Bahia Blanca (700km south of Buenos Aires) | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: read the lirc documentation for how to get it in the database. | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | angasule, yeah it's not covered :( | 16:20 |
| angasule | ShadowJK: I figured :-) I'm hoping there is an OSM program that stores maps locally | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | angasule: tangogps? | 16:20 |
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| RST38h | konttori: Current memory use as reported by xrestop: 2.55MB | 16:23 |
| RST38h | konttori: will now have to wait for a few days before checking it again :) | 16:23 |
| angasule | SpeedEvil, ShadowJK: thank you both :D | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | would anybody toss me an example or RTFM-URL for maemo_recorder cmdline options. I want to change sample format/rate and I hope to do this via "GStreamer Initialization" parameters | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | angasule: or osm2go - but that's not quite the same | 16:28 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx MOO | 16:32 |
| VDVsx | morning RST38h :) | 16:32 |
| n900evil | moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 16:32 |
| richard1234 | has anyone used dosbox? imgmount on my n900 isnt working with isos :-( | 16:33 |
| richard1234 | trying to get red alert working as a demo :P | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: also you may try other reco of same manuf - or even random. Most "predef programmable" recos have not more than 40..100 different settings. That's due to the fact there is a limited number of reco chips | 16:35 |
| Arkenoi | so once again, as many new people are here: is anyone familliar with amixer enough to tell me how to re-route audio back to builtin speakers when 3.5mm jack is plugged in? | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: seems fm radio knows how to do that (though for a very special case) | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: but I'm also highly interested in a generic howto for N900 mixer/PCM | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: AIUI maybe amixer isn't the right tool at all. Just a few hours ago I mused over gst-inspect output | 16:43 |
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| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer51, my projector speakers are really crappy, much worse than n900 ones. And there is just no simple way not to route audio into the cable :-( | 16:46 |
| davyg | hello, the n900 truly rox, it's all i have expected and sometimes more, i still have one problem : when i lock it, when i want to unlock it i'm asked a pasword and i truly don't remember having chosen one, Is there a default one ? | 16:47 |
| RST38h | 1234? | 16:47 |
| n900evil | 5 | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | 6 | 16:48 |
| davyg | 7 | 16:48 |
| n900evil | 12345 | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | is default | 16:48 |
| cehteh | haha ... Arkenoi i just played and accidentally activated speakers while headphones a plugged in | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | Arkenoi: I believe it's a hardware switch -- when the jack is plugged in sound is rerouted by the chip itself | 16:49 |
| RST38h | no | 16:49 |
| RST38h | there are apps (like fmradio) that do it in software | 16:49 |
| RST38h | and amixer works too | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | hmm, interesting | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | greetings __gcobb__ | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: that's evidentally not correct | 16:49 |
| cehteh | crashanddie: nop switching is done in software | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | the n810 was wired that way anyway, my bad | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: amixer works? | 16:50 |
| cehteh | the audio ship can probe the device plugged in (headphone, headset, tv cable,...) | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | audio ship? Does it float? | 16:51 |
| cehteh | chip :P | 16:52 |
| davyg | thanks, but i don't understand, i will check the manual if it's indicated somewhere | 16:52 |
| davyg | recheck* | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | davyg: don't use "lock screen" in the power menu | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | or whatever it's called | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | just use the hardware switch on the right of the device | 16:53 |
| davyg | why ? | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | Never seen the point of going through a button press, then menu, when it can be achieved in a single action | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | I'm getting depressed because of all the troll threads on tmo | 16:54 |
| davyg | yes but if you want to lock it ? | 16:54 |
| davyg | with a password i mean | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | then configure the password beforehand :) | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | Should be 12345 | 16:55 |
| cehteh | btw its a misfeature that the 'password' is not needed at boot | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | davyg: page 11 of the manual | 16:56 |
| cehteh | if someone steals the device he can just remove battery and put it back in to reboot it into an useable state | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: SIM lock requires PIN though | 16:56 |
| cehteh | well you can use another sim | 16:56 |
| cehteh | sims are cheap .. the device is expensive | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | and you think the guy is going to return it if it's locked? | 16:57 |
| davyg | hum i'm french so don't have the same manual | 16:57 |
| crashanddie | davyg: pas de soucis, c'est page 11 partout je crois | 16:57 |
| davyg | ah ^^ | 16:57 |
| cehteh | no but he cant (as easily) spy data and needs some efforts to access it .. yes i know without encryption its not really strong | 16:58 |
| davyg | it's not in case of stollen, it's just to prevent my little sister to read my so important sms | 16:58 |
| cehteh | but not using the pass at all on boot makes it even more ineffective | 16:58 |
| * cehteh plans to build a kernel with encryption support anyways ... | 16:58 | |
| crashanddie | cehteh: goodluckwiththat | 16:59 |
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| davyg | crashanddie, p11 there is the phone appareance description | 16:59 |
| cehteh | well maybe fuse based encryption ... thats simpler | 16:59 |
| cehteh | but will suck more battery :/ | 16:59 |
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| davyg | if you want to suck battery you can periodically send gps trace to the server | 17:00 |
| cehteh | and make photos with the front cam | 17:01 |
| davyg | will permit to find your robber | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | btw the hardware lock password seems to work as well by kicking in on SIM swap | 17:01 |
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| xea | o hi | 17:01 |
| cehteh | i just checked .. somehoe it was disabled here ,, now i enabled it an reboot | 17:02 |
| cehteh | maybe it was my fault | 17:02 |
| cehteh | ah yes | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: amixer is really barebones ;-P TWO controls | 17:03 |
| cehteh | because the device uses pulseaudio and not alsa to do routing i tihnk | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's what I was thinking as well | 17:05 |
| phreck | pulse is it. | 17:05 |
| davyg | thanks for the help, i'm going to buy some stuff for my n900, still don't understand where it says that password is 12345, see you soon(i've a lot of things to ask^^) | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | davyg: MyDocs/manuals | 17:06 |
| Wolfie | it was in the boolket, too | 17:07 |
| Wolfie | in the finnish retail box at least | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | davyg: or N900xx-xx -> Documentos -> User Guides in Filemanager | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | =tually in booklet on p.11 ' yes ;-D | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | "first power-on" 2.) | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/=/ac | 17:11 |
| Arkenoi | amixer -c0 shows damn a lot of stuff | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh | 17:13 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, ping | 17:13 |
| Arkenoi | amixer -c0 controls does as well | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: mille gracie. Never thought about checking for different cards :oD | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alsamixer too | 17:15 |
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| wazd_n800 | back | 17:18 |
| LuciusMare | oy | 17:18 |
| LuciusMare | my n900 froze | 17:18 |
| LuciusMare | i installed kplayer and it just... | 17:19 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Yes? | 17:19 |
| LuciusMare | meh | 17:19 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, what's happened with colem, got stuck ? :D | 17:19 |
| RST38h | Who called the vivisectionist? | 17:19 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Yep. Same shit all over again. | 17:19 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: No XFade around, too | 17:20 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, none-free issue perhaps ? | 17:20 |
| LuciusMare | okay,it unfroze | 17:20 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 17:20 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Broken promotion scripts issue | 17:20 |
| LuciusMare | mplayer cant do flac? | 17:20 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: free/non-free should not make any difference | 17:20 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, maemo god want you to leave) | 17:20 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, no new firmware, apps rejection ;) | 17:21 |
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| ShadowJK | apps rejection? | 17:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: Not rejection, just permanently broken promotion mechanism | 17:23 |
| RST38h | But yes, iNES/VGB/VGBA have not been allowed back on maemo.org yet | 17:24 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, well, anyway) | 17:24 |
| RST38h | Probably will not be any time soon | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: install ogg support | 17:25 |
| LuciusMare | ok | 17:27 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, I'll try to push that after holidays :) | 17:28 |
| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, what you got for christmas?) | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: dunno if that's sufficient for mplayer. Works for me for flac over maemo mediaplayer | 17:29 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_n800, chocolates :D | 17:29 |
| ShadowJK | mplayer has everything built-in | 17:29 |
| Arkenoi | i guess i should set "Jack function" (numeric id 65) to Off, what is the correct syntax? | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/lucent/ LuciusMare / | 17:29 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: LuciusMare : dunno if that's sufficient for mplayer. Works for me for flac over maemo mediaplayer | 17:29 |
| VDVsx | wazd_n800, didn't asked for anything :) | 17:29 |
| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, LG? meh xD | 17:29 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: What you really need to push is community helpers to X-Fade | 17:29 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Talk to jeremiah, too, as he is well aware of the problem | 17:29 |
| VDVsx | wazd_n800, no, lol | 17:29 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, I'll already offered that help, let's see what the new year brings | 17:30 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Basically there is exactly 1 (one) guy responsible for the whole infrastructure. That is X-Fade. If he gets eaten by an alligator or run over by a car, we are all doomed | 17:30 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, yes, bus factor | 17:31 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, oh my) | 17:31 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Now, if HE gets to choose who else is going to take care of the infradtructure, that is fine with me personally | 17:31 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: But there obviously has to be another guy doing it. Or two. | 17:31 |
| wazd_n800 | the problem is that X-Fade is an employed master | 17:32 |
| wazd_n800 | or am I wrong | 17:32 |
| RST38h | not a problem to me | 17:33 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, there's some Nokians that also know the infra very well, apart from the package interface | 17:33 |
| RST38h | So, he is employed. And, let us say, VDVsx will be volunteering. As long as there is no secret stuff there (and there is none afaik), it is ok | 17:33 |
| VDVsx | wazd_n800, employed master ? :D | 17:33 |
| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, yeah :) | 17:34 |
| wazd_n800 | better hire VDVsx for cash) | 17:34 |
| wazd_n800 | that would be fair) | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anybody happens to know which mixer/audio chip is used in N900? | 17:36 |
| VDVsx | wazd_n800, nah, lol, I can't work for maemo.org, have a embargo :D | 17:36 |
| wazd_n800 | TI OMAP :) | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wazd_n800: *only* the omap support power+audio chip? | 17:37 |
| wazd_n800 | DocScrutinizer, that's what I know | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm ok. Thanks | 17:38 |
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| LuciusMare | meh. | 17:40 |
| wazd_n800 | NO!!!!! | 17:40 |
| wazd_n800 | I've missed 666 karma state!!!(((( | 17:40 |
| wazd_n800 | aaaaagggrrhhhh | 17:40 |
| LuciusMare | lol | 17:40 |
| LuciusMare | maemo does not have any integrated equalizer? | 17:40 |
| wazd_n800 | no | 17:40 |
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| LuciusMare | nothing in garage? | 17:40 |
| LuciusMare | wtf | 17:41 |
| LuciusMare | lag travels through usb? | 17:42 |
| frals | you dont get karma for voting for bugs do you? | 17:42 |
| lcuk | frals, vote for the wrong bugs and you get an official black helicopter visit :D | 17:42 |
| LuciusMare | i am charging my n900 through my computer,i removed firefox and the computer froze for a second - as the music playing on my n900 O_o | 17:42 |
| frals | hehe :) | 17:42 |
| VDVsx | ah TMO trolls, sigh :) | 17:43 |
| LuciusMare | does n900 have any codename? | 17:43 |
| VDVsx | rover | 17:43 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 17:43 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 17:43 |
| Arkenoi | well, got some success with alsa-mixer. now trying to figure out how to specify same values to amixer.. | 17:47 |
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| konttori | RST38h: what you are nterested in the amount of reserved maps. I think 400 is pretty nominal. Memory is not so imporatant (well, somewhat), as the amount of items. Once that raises to 10 000, it starts to be pretty bad. | 17:51 |
| RST38h | konttori: Checking (runtime of ~4 hours I think)... | 17:52 |
| RST38h | konttori: 2515 pixmaps total | 17:53 |
| konttori | sounds like something is leaking at least to some degree. | 17:53 |
| RST38h | konttori: 4 hours ago it was the same. Will continue monitoring it over the next few days | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: or RX51 iirc | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: That's dead simple | 17:55 |
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| RST38h | Wait, I am counting wrong | 17:56 |
| RST38h | 2515K is MEMORY taken by pixmaps | 17:56 |
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| RST38h | ~425 pixmaps right now | 18:01 |
| thresh | not too much | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: IroN900:~# amixer -c0 sset "Speaker Function" Off | 18:02 |
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| RST38h | Running amixer without -cX seems to show system wide controls only | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems to show PA related stuff only | 18:04 |
| ManuelSE_ | kill pa and you see alsa hw | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | huh? | 18:07 |
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| ManuelSE_ | pasuspender -- /usr/bin/amixer | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I got it -c0 *is* "ALSA" HW | 18:07 |
| ShadowJK | alsamixer -c 0 | 18:07 |
| ManuelSE_ | ok | 18:07 |
| ShadowJK | and you see alsa hw ... | 18:07 |
| ShadowJK | just like on a desktop computer using alsa | 18:08 |
| ShadowJK | and pulse | 18:08 |
| ManuelSE_ | yes default is pulse | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually card0 is real hardware. While card1(? the default) is virtual alsa controls probably, exported by PA | 18:09 |
| RST38h | nationmaster.com rules | 18:11 |
| cehteh | how many people can you address in one sms? | 18:11 |
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| RST38h | Hmm... .BG appears to be the most unhappy country of all | 18:13 |
| cehteh | uhm cut'n'paste text in sms is not possible? wtf? this is a internet tablet | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm I'm failing to figure which Device + card is pulseaudio default | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as in 'amixer' == 'amixer -D ? -c ?' | 18:18 |
| RST38h | c0? | 18:18 |
| * RST38h makes another attempt to compile xchat | 18:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: compare 'amixer' and 'amixer -c0' | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: I'd think c0 is default. Actually it's not | 18:20 |
| ManuelSE_ | why care? | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | to understand? | 18:21 |
| ManuelSE_ | there is a wiki | 18:22 |
| ManuelSE_ | i think | 18:22 |
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| ManuelSE_ | you didnt specify "default" of what | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | default of amixer for instance | 18:23 |
| ManuelSE_ | pyulse | 18:23 |
| ManuelSE_ | -y | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | my idea about unix cmdline options was leaving out one defaults to 0 | 18:24 |
| RST38h | Doc: As I said, without -c0 it only shows overall controls | 18:24 |
| ManuelSE_ | see alsa conf | 18:24 |
| RST38h | i.e. not associated with any audio device | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | actually that's not true | 18:24 |
| ManuelSE_ | pulse alsa device | 18:24 |
| RST38h | hm | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | compare 'alsamixer' and 'alsamixer -c0' | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | different card | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually card0 is real hardware. While card1(? the default) is virtual alsa controls probably, exported by PA | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Ubuntu 9.10 upgrade? Yes or no? | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ali1234: which card??? | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | -c32 ? | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | afaict alsa has a concept of a "default" card | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | and in this case it has been patched such that the "default" is pulseaudio which does not show up under any -c n argument | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | you can't make the PA controls show up with any value of n that i can find | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | -c7580543 | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | Usage: alsamixer [-h] [-c <card: 0...7>] ... | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | so i tried 0 - 7 | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | none of them show the default PA card | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | exactly | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kinda weird | 18:27 |
| ManuelSE_ | lool | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | yes, probably more nokia specific hacks | 18:27 |
| viq | Anyone using openvpn? I tried make it drop privileges and I'm having some issues with it, namely it does not (can't) delete routes after disconnect. | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | i mean, if you really want to know what's going on, just get the alsalib source and see wtf they have done to it | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I wish I could make low profile right angle connectors for sale. | 18:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | Alas - they'd have to be expensive. | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | As they'd be handbuilt. | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: which type? | 18:30 |
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| Vengeful[zZzZz] | apart the fact that i'm gonna replace my phone | 18:30 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | there is a way to have a backup | 18:31 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | so every reflash | 18:31 |
| ali1234 | RST38h: don't upgrade to 9.10, it's still horribly broken compared to 9.04 | 18:31 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | is always customized? | 18:31 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: microb | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | huh? XD | 18:31 |
| RST38h | ali: Understood, thanks | 18:31 |
| * RST38h will abstain then | 18:31 | |
| ali1234 | ubuntu x.10 releases are always bad, like odd number star trek bad | 18:32 |
| RST38h | The magic of the numbers... | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: microb plugins 90° ? | 18:33 |
| adeus | magic of 10-based numbers | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: so it's ~10mm out of the side of the phone, not ~40 or so | 18:34 |
| ManuelSE_ | who is learning ogles? | 18:35 |
| ManuelSE_ | bounce looks so pretty | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ManuelSE_: indeed, it does. | 18:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wonders how a flash plugin rectangle might look like | 18:35 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: I've seen 90° mini-USB, and same for 2.5 and 3.5mm | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not so fo microUSB | 18:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - what I meant | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | have to take a plug, and bend it carefully with cutting and ... | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 18:42 |
| * SpeedEvil considers a USB plug/lanyard. | 18:42 | |
| * DocScrutinizer51 suggests scalpel and hotglue | 18:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | that sort of thing, yes. | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | though buying the plug bits | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if you find a source for uUSB plugs for DIY then toss me a pointer please | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | digikey | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | zx40 | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | guh? | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | never heard | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | zx81? ;-P | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | digikey.com | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah. that's a evergreen | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | zx40 ?? o.O | 18:46 |
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| * RST38h wonders why people use autoconf and write megabytes of makefiles | 18:46 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. kick autoconf ;-) | 18:47 |
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| * RST38h is unable to compile XChat because of this | 18:47 | |
| RST38h | And there is no qwerty12 around to help out | 18:47 |
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| adeus | hmh, I want my n900 | 18:48 |
| adeus | I even wrote an app and I have nowhere to test it | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: so we may hope for a non-segv xchat with cool scrolling eventually :))) | 18:48 |
| RobertH[AU] | hey everyone | 18:50 |
| RST38h | That is what I am trying to do | 18:50 |
| RST38h | But it doesn't fucking build. | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 18:50 |
| rkirti | RST38h: autotools is a blessing in disguise whose merits are only realised by the build-systems people - they maybe be horrid but my life without them was even more horrid | 18:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 hands RST38h a candybar | 18:50 | |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: also - piping to the speech synth an option plz :) | 18:52 |
| * SpeedEvil tries to remember the name of that synth | 18:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: tail -f ~/.xchat2/logging/maemo | narrator | 18:54 |
| RST38h | rkirti: Build systems people have a honorable spot in my personal list of people I would like exterminated | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | espeak? | 18:54 |
| RST38h | Especially considering that they are never of any use anyway | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Transconductance drops with increasing temp, though gate threshold drops, so if you have a high set current, the current may fall. if it's low, it may rise | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 18:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - espeak | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | heh. explaining implicit stability of FET amps? :) | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | or instability as current sources when they get hot | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. the nice thing with power mosfets you can parallel them without any headaches | 18:57 |
| siriusnova | hi | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Someone I know recently got bit while trying to use them at -55C. | 18:58 |
| siriusnova | -55 C? | 18:58 |
| siriusnova | ouch | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Worked fine at 25, at -55, not enough Vgs to turn it on and blow the pyrotechnics. | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | (high altitude baloon amateurs) | 18:58 |
| siriusnova | whats new in the N900 world | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | also you need special cells | 19:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: AA lithium work ok | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | primary | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd guess Z goes thru the roof | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah primary | 19:00 |
| ManuelSE_ | can u get emulatyor sound good with pasuspender rst? | 19:02 |
| RST38h | eh? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pasuspender most likely will break all audio except that you used it for | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so not a brilliant idea for a *phone* | 19:05 |
| ManuelSE_ | i know | 19:05 |
| ManuelSE_ | emulator just needs option to talk to alsa O.O | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Install asterisk and setup right. | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | huh? | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | 'I am sorry, the party you called cannot be reached, as they are playing Donkey Kong'. | 19:06 |
| ManuelSE_ | emulator can also switch profile to busy | 19:06 |
| ManuelSE_ | right | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ManuelSE_: what's emu soundsystem? OSS aka /dev/dsp ? | 19:07 |
| ManuelSE_ | alsa | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so where's the problem? you should be able to config a dedicated alsa device for emu then | 19:09 |
| konttori | does anyone know what font types are supported on maemo? | 19:09 |
| viq | Ah, so the answer was 'push "redirect-gateway def1"' | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and use dmix | 19:09 |
| ManuelSE_ | try it | 19:09 |
| ManuelSE_ | sound sputters | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or even the pa provided alsa compatibility layer | 19:10 |
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| ManuelSE_ | no | 19:10 |
| konttori | truetype, freetype? | 19:10 |
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| ManuelSE_ | there is no problems with pulse except occasionally i he4 repeats in media player | 19:11 |
| thresh | mmh | 19:11 |
| thresh | how do i easily upload photos on n900? | 19:11 |
| thresh | wget -m seems obvious, but want to do that The User Way (tm) | 19:12 |
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| Vengeful[zZzZz] | i can't reflash emmc... | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | thresh: on camera app | 19:13 |
| thresh | uhm, i mean 'import' | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | thresh: hit the little <8 - sort-of - icon | 19:14 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | tells me booting device into flash mode. and nothing happens | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ManuelSE_: (sigh) the story goes like this (seen e.g for twinklephone): each current distro adopts PA "as it has much better sound and just works". Then same people ask for all alsa based apps to implement native PA support as it turns out alsa apps do *not* "just work" with PA | 19:14 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | he doesnt recognize 2° boot | 19:14 |
| * RST38h lazily dissects Rushmore | 19:14 | |
| SpeedEvil | thresh: scp * phone:/home/user/... ;) | 19:14 |
| thresh | SpeedEvil: hey I asked about The User Way (tm)! :) | 19:14 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | another way to flash emmc? :) | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | thresh: you don't need to be root, what more do you want? :) | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | thresh: drag them on when the mmc is shared? | 19:15 |
| thresh | that involves finding USB cable :) | 19:15 |
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| thresh | ok, so no simple downloader inside? | 19:15 |
| * lcukn900 watches the grufalo | 19:16 | |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | i need to reformat the phone :° | 19:17 |
| Vengeful[zZzZz] | i must return this defect | 19:17 |
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| VDVsx | konttori, the default fonts are truetype | 19:20 |
| wolf^ | tresh, try dftpd | 19:21 |
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| siriusnova | so who here has the leaked N900 firmware? | 19:33 |
| siriusnova | :) | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | thresh: sftp://N900 in desktop's browser (e.g. konqueror) ? | 19:34 |
| thresh | mmh nice idea | 19:35 |
| thresh | need to find out where Finder has it :) | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | siriusnova: seems a lot of people have leaking firmware :-P | 19:35 |
| siriusnova | lol | 19:35 |
| thresh | duh, only can do afp, at, file, ftp, http, https, nfs, smb, cifs, vnc | 19:36 |
| Nitial | thresh: you need macfusion to make finder understand sftp | 19:36 |
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| * thresh doesnt like fuse | 19:36 | |
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| thresh | but yeah, it's cool. | 19:37 |
| thresh | thanks. | 19:37 |
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| thresh | ok, another question: how do i force media player to download album art for the songs? | 19:39 |
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| thresh | surprisingly it cant find any album art for Pearl Jam | 19:41 |
| lbt | X-Fade: ping... | 19:42 |
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| tealbird | Is there a way for me to boot a custom kernel without flashing it? I use the flasher options "-l -b" and I see it loads / boots the kernel but then it "plays dead" and I can't get it to boot normally | 19:51 |
| tealbird | WIth an n900 | 19:51 |
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| nezb | hello | 19:57 |
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| type_t | <nezb> good afternoon. | 20:02 |
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| type_t | # so 2010 is going to be better? . the year of strides..? | 20:05 |
| nezb | let's hope | 20:05 |
| nezb | I just got off the phone with my 2nd nokia support person of the day, refusing to support my phone because I bought it from a reseller | 20:05 |
| type_t | # wow they are giving you the cold shoulder | 20:06 |
| nezb | yep | 20:07 |
| nezb | kept telling me to call my reseller and ask for a new N900...which is stupid because this can be fixed easily | 20:07 |
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| RST38h | nezb: why not call your reseller? | 20:07 |
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| nezb | because all I need is a new back cover | 20:07 |
| nezb | NewEgg probably won't send me that :P | 20:07 |
| RST38h | they will send you a new n900 though | 20:08 |
| nezb | they will make me send my current one back first probably | 20:08 |
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| RST38h | Absolutely positively priceless: http://gizmodo.com/5434533/how-a-crook-conned-the-bush-administration-the-cia-and-the-pentagon?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher | 20:09 |
| nezb | ^ read it | 20:09 |
| nezb | hehe | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I wanted to point lardman at that as a source of profit. | 20:09 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Administration has changed | 20:10 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Besides, you have to at least demonstrate that you believe into the same pseudo-christian mumbo jumbo as these guys | 20:10 |
| RST38h | So, a New Approach is needed! =) | 20:11 |
| nezb | happy (almost) new year =) | 20:13 |
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| type_t | # alot of times these people are in the clik but after their peers turn on them . they flush all the bad stuff with these guys and make them escapeGoats and so they have a clean slate to con more. so you know who a person is by who he hangs with. | 20:17 |
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| RST38h | "escape goat" <=== allows for such a wealth of interpretations... | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | type_t: # doesn't work in here | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: do you grab my updated l10n strings? | 20:30 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | can i get bash on maemo 5? | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: no not yet | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | just spent 3 days at polish xmas, just came in the door | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | GeoPing Stskeeps | 20:31 |
| * timeless_mbp is in NW London | 20:31 | |
| Stskeeps | well, my own apartment | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | you're in eastern europe, right? | 20:32 |
| * timeless_mbp isn't really used to hearing 'Posh' outside of England | 20:32 | |
| LuciusMare_n900 | hello? :/ | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | (and i've heard posh spoken aloud a number of times this weekend) | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | polish xmas, not posh xmas | 20:32 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | or is recompiling for maemo enough? | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | oh oops :) | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare_n900: if you're suicidal | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | it's probably in a repo | 20:32 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | why? | 20:32 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | why suicidal? | 20:33 |
| Robot101 | LuciusMare_n900: just go onto the command line and apt-get install it | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | well, if you aren't careful, you can break things by installing a shell :) | 20:33 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | :o | 20:33 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | what can get wrong? | 20:33 |
| thresh | and who needs bash anyway | 20:33 |
| * LuciusMare_n900 . | 20:33 | |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare_n900: ever heard of dear old Murphy? | 20:33 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | heh | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare_n900: please make the acquaintance of Mr SSH | 20:34 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | shell is just an app,no big invading into systemm | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | shell is not just an app | 20:34 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ? | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | poorly written apps make many assumptions about shells | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | and when assumptions cease to be true, ... see Mr Murphy | 20:34 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i need it for bash scripts | 20:35 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | i wont "use" it | 20:35 |
| timeless_mbp | why use bash scripts on your n900 in the first place? | 20:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | what problem are you actually trying to solve? | 20:35 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | well | 20:35 |
| zdzichuBG | Hi guys. Is this a right place to ask about SDK? | 20:35 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i have a few programs | 20:35 |
| RST38h | you can try | 20:35 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i use | 20:35 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | and they're written in bash | 20:36 |
| timeless_mbp | bashists... | 20:36 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i don't want to rewrite them :/ | 20:36 |
| timeless_mbp | port them to perl or python :) | 20:36 |
| mza | they wont run in sh? | 20:36 |
| timeless_mbp | what do they do | 20:36 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | they...execute | 20:37 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | :) | 20:37 |
| zdzichuBG | I'd like to buy n900 as my work phone. I downloaded SDK to check if it's compatible with our MS Exchange mail/calendar server, but I cannot find other mail server types than IMAP4/POP3. Is SDK missing those? | 20:37 |
| mza | what shell comes with the N900? | 20:37 |
| mza | busybox? | 20:37 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ash | 20:37 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | yes | 20:37 |
| Robot101 | zdzichuBG: the mail sync for exchange isn't included in the sdk - it is /not/ an emulator. | 20:37 |
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| wazd | remoo | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | zdzichuBG: The sdk is not an emultor | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 20:38 |
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| zdzichuBG | I understand. Is there any way to install mail sync? I really need to get sure n900 will work or my boss won't approve it :/ | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | zdzichuBG: err | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | let's try again: | 20:39 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | lol | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | the sdk is NOT an emulator | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | it's an SDK | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | for building your own applications | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | the Nokia N900 includes MfE | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | which is what you want. | 20:40 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | hm | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | zdzichuBG: note that the MfE implementation supports a specific version of the ActiveSync protocol | 20:40 |
| zdzichuBG | I see. Just I don't know if I want n900 if it won't work with our Exchange server. | 20:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you specify the version of your exchange server (2000, 2003, 2007, ...) someone could tell you if it's supported | 20:41 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | can i edit my kyb layout so fn+uparrow makes,for example pipe? | 20:41 |
| zdzichuBG | timeless_mbp: that's why I want to test first. | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare_n900: you could | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | zdzichuBG: so find a friend and borrow his. | 20:41 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | how? | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | but simply put, all you have to do is tell us which version of exchange server you have | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and you'll get a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | there's no 'testing' required | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | zdzichuBG: noone sane will buy a large quantity of n900s without trying out a trial one anyway :P | 20:42 |
| Robot101 | zdzichuBG: you can't test, the sdk doesn't have the mail for exchange software in it | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think any phones allow you to test like you want to though | 20:42 |
| Robot101 | timeless_mbp: which versions of exchange does it support? :) | 20:42 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | heh | 20:42 |
| zdzichuBG | timeless_mbp: sure, but if I knew it I would be able to google it ;) I have no chance in penetrating corporate IT and getting know what software we run at GE. | 20:42 |
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| zdzichuBG | I'm too low in food chain :/ | 20:43 |
| Robot101 | give us an account on your work server, and we can tell you if it works :P | 20:43 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i am not sure if n900 w/ its price and all featurer | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Robot101: i'll let Vitaly answer that, since it's his baby | 20:43 |
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| Robot101 | timeless_mbp: is there any plan to make it work better with gmail? | 20:43 |
| hrw|n900 | hi | 20:43 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | features good as a business phone | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Robot101: officially no one has stated such a thing | 20:43 |
| Robot101 | grr greylisting | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | reality of the matter is that everyone inside wants it to work | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | so ... | 20:43 |
| hrw|n900 | is there a way to install maemo5 update on n900? | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw|gone-to-2010: eh? | 20:44 |
| Robot101 | timeless_mbp: or even ovi would be good enough, being forced to use the PC suite on windows is pretty depressing | 20:44 |
| Robot101 | the built-in sync didn't work with any of my family's phones :( | 20:44 |
| cehteh | rsync ftw :P | 20:45 |
| hrw|n900 | timeless: ham told me that there is update to 'maemo5' package but also told that it require using pc | 20:45 |
| zdzichuBG | We have some phones "approved" like Nokia E61, E75, Blackberries... I can use company money to buy unapproved phone like n900 but it need to work. | 20:45 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: oh wow | 20:45 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | how can i edit my kyb layout so fn+uparrow makes,for example pipe? | 20:45 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: eventually we intend to support updating over the air | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | zdzichuBG: well you can't know before you try | 20:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i believe that you're just at an in between point | 20:45 |
| timeless_mbp | where we haven't done enough testing for 1.1 | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's christmas | 20:46 |
| wazd | oook, now they tell me what I need to do | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: DDP? | 20:46 |
| hrw|n900 | timeless: so user will be forced to pcsuite crap? | 20:46 |
| cehteh | an update to the battery would be nice | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: they shouldn't | 20:46 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: blog visitors :) | 20:46 |
| hrw|n900 | ok | 20:46 |
| cehteh | :] | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | they should wait patiently | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ah | 20:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | for more testing by us+others | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and then they should get over the air updates | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | at least, that was the last plan i heard | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | otoh, i hear about things later than everyone else | 20:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | my news is typically 1month old :) | 20:47 |
| hrw|n900 | timeless: 2010 feb? | 20:47 |
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| go1dfish | the firmware update is available for manual install now? | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: "i dunno" | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | go1dfish: it was listed in maemo-community | 20:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | (whatever that is) | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | right, time to try dual-booting my n900 | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | with dual maemo5 | 20:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | so, Robot101, i believe MfE supports 2007 (as I believe that's what my server uses) | 20:49 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | wow | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35136 | 20:49 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | dual-booting a rover | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | describes the MfE support | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | see, Vitaly is out there in the public, explaining what we support | 20:50 |
| timeless_mbp | and he's even announcing what is coming | 20:50 |
| timeless_mbp | shocking isn't it? | 20:50 |
| timeless_mbp | oddly, i found that by googling: maemo mfe 2003 2007 | 20:50 |
| wazd | konttori_nokia: around? :) | 20:50 |
| Robot101 | timeless_mbp: good man, cool | 20:52 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | :/ | 20:52 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | how can i edit my kyb layout so fn+uparrow makes,for example pipe? | 20:52 |
| zdzichuBG | thanks guys. | 20:52 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: time for a post btw ;_ | 20:52 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: ;) | 20:52 |
| go1dfish | Stskeeps: is there a good guide for booting from microSD on n900? | 20:53 |
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| * wazd ponders if his blog will reach 10k visitors/month in december :) | 20:54 | |
| LuciusMare_n900 | woah | 20:57 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: cool | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: that's what i'm working on | 20:57 |
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| go1dfish | Stskeeps: cool, yeah I just found your thread, boot menu etc... | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | go1dfish: right now i'm trying to use the 2gb partition for it where /opt is as well | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | easier for my debugging :P | 20:59 |
| go1dfish | heh | 20:59 |
| go1dfish | I've got a brand new class 4 4gb card I got specifically for trying out other booting arrangements | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | i'll let you know when i have something that works then, K? | 21:00 |
| go1dfish | cool, will be happy to help test | 21:00 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | how can i edit my kyb layout so fn+uparrow makes,for example pipe? | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | you might as well prepare by having PR1.0 and rsync installed | 21:00 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i know how to do the regular changing of layout | 21:01 |
| go1dfish | PR1.0 == 42-11 correct?, already have rsync to :) | 21:01 |
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| go1dfish | for a while my about product screen was showing (null) for just about everything, but it's showing up right now heh | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | i think i have permanently screwed mine by making my own ubifs | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:02 |
| go1dfish | heh | 21:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | What are the 'composite' images that are downloadable. Are these merely kerenl + rootfs? | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | hey | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | does anyone here have access to Lotus Traveller? | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: FIASCO? | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: it's basically kernel+rootfs+bootloader or emmc contents etc etc | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - combined | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | 0xffff site has some specifics for n8x0 | 21:05 |
| * timeless_mbp has never seen a fiasco w/ both rootfs and emmc | 21:05 | |
| SpeedEvil | I broke my python. | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | So I need to flash. | 21:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: do you mean 'combined' | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: note the "or" | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: the 'etc etc' bit bugged me :) | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Either flash, or work out how to tell apt that I want it to blow away all of the packages, and let me remove any trailing files. | 21:06 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | hm | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: I do | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | afaik, the label has something to do w/ which target devices are supported | 21:06 |
| go1dfish | I haven't bricked or needed to reflash mine yet, I must not be trying hard enough :) | 21:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | go1dfish: you don't have to be one of the privileged few | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | we don't award any prizes for doing so | 21:06 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | when i select install forecaweather from the menu,it just throws me to app manager,nothing else | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | flashing doesn't touch home? | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | well, i can probably pass out dunce caps :) | 21:07 |
| go1dfish | I've filled up my rootfs a few times | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: it depends on what you flash | 21:07 |
| go1dfish | but had the forsight to clean things up before rebooting | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | but just flashing rootfs doesn't touch home | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | likewise, flashing eMMC doesn't touch home | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | actually | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | meh - tar is my friend. | 21:08 |
| timeless_mbp | wait, no that's wrong | 21:08 |
| timeless_mbp | since home is on eMMC | 21:08 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry :) | 21:08 |
| * timeless_mbp is tired | 21:08 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 21:08 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, flashing eMMC will roast home | 21:08 |
| * SpeedEvil shoots timeless_mbp with a caffine gun. | 21:08 | |
| * timeless_mbp should just go outside and get some GBPs | 21:08 | |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | why nobody here answers me? | 21:11 |
| adeus | we have nothing to say | 21:12 |
| wazd | LuciusMare_n900: use OMW | 21:12 |
| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare_n900: because nobody happens to understand your question, have the inclination and the knowledge to answer it. | 21:12 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | OMW? | 21:12 |
| * SpeedEvil wants yrweather. | 21:12 | |
| SpeedEvil | yr.no ++ | 21:12 |
| wazd | LuciusMare_n900: OMWeather | 21:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | Will even spit out xml | 21:12 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | oh | 21:12 |
| * wazd thinks that OMW will tomorrow reach 10k downloads :) | 21:13 | |
| LuciusMare_n900 | if you dont understand my questions, you can ask | 21:14 |
| wazd | LuciusMare_n900: I guess if you want to install foreca anyway, you should locate it in HAM | 21:15 |
| wazd | ~HAM | 21:15 |
| infobot | from memory, ham is oink oink | 21:15 |
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| wazd | :D | 21:15 |
| wazd | infobot ++ | 21:15 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | O_o | 21:15 |
| infobot | rumour has it, + is a nice kitty, or a way to force me to answer in public (like, \"~+foo\" -> \"<apt> foo is bar\") | 21:15 |
| wazd | hildon aplication manager | 21:16 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | haha | 21:16 |
| wazd | infobot: forget HAM | 21:16 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | use CHEESE | 21:16 |
| wazd | infobot: HAM is Hildon Application Manager | 21:17 |
| infobot | ...but ham is already something else... | 21:17 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~HAN | 21:17 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~HAM | 21:17 |
| infobot | from memory, ham is oink oink | 21:17 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | forget fail | 21:17 |
| wazd | infobot: forget HAM goddamn! | 21:17 |
| infobot | i didn't have anything called 'ham goddamn!' to forget, wazd | 21:17 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | haha | 21:17 |
| wazd | infobot: forget HAM | 21:17 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~HAM | 21:17 |
| infobot | from memory, ham is oink oink | 21:17 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ... | 21:17 |
| wazd | no, he should confirm | 21:17 |
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| wazd | ~forget HAM | 21:18 |
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| wazd | ~burn himself | 21:18 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 21:18 | |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~rover | 21:18 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | :O | 21:18 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~microsoft | 21:19 |
| infobot | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." | 21:19 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~linux | 21:19 |
| infobot | from memory, linux is an operating system that beats the socks off Windows and Mac! Go Linux! | 21:19 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | its a linux fanboy! | 21:19 |
| wazd | ~infobot | 21:19 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, infobot is The coolest | 21:19 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~hurd | 21:20 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hurd is The GNU Hurd is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ It stands for HIRD of UNIX Replacing Daemons. The Hurd is a collection of servers that run on the Mach microkernel, and on l4 in the future, to implement file systems, network protocols, file access control, and other features that are implemented by the Unix kernel or similar kernels (such as Linux). | 21:20 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~emacs | 21:20 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, emacs is as useless as vim if you don't wanna learn it | 21:20 |
| wazd | infobot: can you forget anything? | 21:20 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | :) | 21:20 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~wazd | 21:21 |
| infobot | from memory, wazd is The Greatest Prince of the Universe | 21:21 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | huh | 21:21 |
| wazd | :D | 21:21 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~LuciusMare | 21:21 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | traitor | 21:21 |
| wazd | infobot: forget HAM | 21:21 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | infobot: cook BACON | 21:22 |
| * infobot throws BACON in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks BACON on 350 for an hour | 21:22 | |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ^^ | 21:22 |
| wazd | what's wrong with forget I wonder :) | 21:22 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~forget | 21:23 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~chickem | 21:23 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~chicken | 21:23 |
| infobot | from memory, chicken is http://kellari.org/other/linux/wanted.jpg , or free-food for all!, or a language, or (Gallus gallus) is a type of domesticated bird which is often raised as a type of poultry. It is believed to be descended from the wild Asian Red Junglefowl. | 21:23 |
| wazd | ~lart | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~fart | 21:24 |
| * infobot farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" | 21:24 | |
| cehteh | ipsec .. ipv6? .. mhm | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | meh | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~bash | 21:24 |
| infobot | sh-compatible command language interpreter. URL: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/, or ugly, or another word for a 'do' | 21:25 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | :) | 21:25 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~lol | 21:25 |
| infobot | well, lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. | 21:25 |
| t_s_o | slow day? | 21:25 |
| ifreq | moin | 21:25 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~moo | 21:25 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 21:26 | |
| LuciusMare_n900 | yo! | 21:26 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ~ubuntu | 21:26 |
| infobot | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. | 21:27 |
| RST38h | ~cthulhu | 21:27 |
| infobot | Ia! Ia! Cthulhu ftaghn! or i heard cthulhu was an ancient horror, sleeping below the seas in dread R'lyeh. or a figment of '30s horror author H.P. Lovecraft's imagination.. Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'Lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn | 21:27 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare_n900: please stop abusing the bot | 21:27 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ok,sorry | 21:27 |
| t_s_o | i find myself wondering where it draws its data from... | 21:28 |
| cehteh | i found yet another way to crash the device :P | 21:28 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | cehteh: tell us | 21:28 |
| cehteh | echo heartbeat >/sys/class/leds../trigger | 21:28 |
| timeless_mbp | t_s_o: infobots support infopacks | 21:28 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ? | 21:28 |
| timeless_mbp | you can install as many as you like when you set them up | 21:28 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ? | 21:28 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ... | 21:28 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | what does it do? | 21:28 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: infobot ? | 21:29 |
| infobot | i guess infobot is The coolest | 21:29 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 21:29 |
| go1dfish | ~infobot | 21:29 |
| infobot | i guess infobot is The coolest | 21:29 |
| cehteh | normally it connect the kernel heartbeat to the led .. | 21:29 |
| t_s_o | timeless_mbp: thanks, not that familiar with irc bots... | 21:29 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | cehteh: and un-normally? | 21:29 |
| cehteh | but since the led driver is a small microcontroler it might send some unexpected interrupt | 21:29 |
| cehteh | the n900 programs this already to do the blinking without cpu intervention | 21:30 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare_n900: fwiw, 'normal' supports 'abnormal' not 'unnormal' | 21:30 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | i know ;) | 21:30 |
| cehteh | echo 255 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:r/brightness | 21:30 |
| cehteh | you can do that without crash :) | 21:30 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | wow | 21:31 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | how to stop it? | 21:31 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | it just keepw flashing | 21:32 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | guys | 21:32 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | thats not funny | 21:32 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | it stopped | 21:34 |
| go1dfish | LuciusMare_n900: don't run random commands you don't understand on your phone :P, im sure a reboot should fix it? or likely just plugging it in to charge, or anything else that changes the light | 21:34 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ok | 21:34 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | it was a lesson ;) | 21:34 |
| GAN900 | LuciusMare_n900, there's an Igalia blog post to remap. | 21:34 |
| GAN900 | Google should turn it up. | 21:34 |
| GAN900 | The Application Manager is processing, just give it some time. | 21:35 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | "n900 remap"? | 21:35 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: Why? From Rl'yeh of course! | 21:35 |
| RST38h | ~fhtagn | 21:35 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | oh | 21:35 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | hm | 21:35 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: heh, by way of a canadian isp no dout ;) | 21:36 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: 7306 | 21:36 |
| timeless_mbp | please tell that reporter to piss of | 21:36 |
| timeless_mbp | f | 21:36 |
| timeless_mbp | he's totally ruining my holiday cheer | 21:36 |
| GAN900 | bug 7306 | 21:37 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7306 Browser doesn't open URL of schemas that not defined at uri-action-defaults.list. | 21:37 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | bash supports multiple files @ 1 command - for example mv {a,b,c} foo moves all,a and b and c to bar. can busybox do that? | 21:37 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | meh | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare_n900: have you considered testing? | 21:37 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | moves them to foo,ofc | 21:37 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i did | 21:37 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | it does not work | 21:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | perl -e 'print <{apps,9}>' | 21:38 |
| timeless_mbp | seems to work | 21:38 |
| timeless_mbp | so use perl :) | 21:38 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | hah | 21:39 |
| timeless_mbp | what's funny? | 21:39 |
| timeless_mbp | it works. | 21:39 |
| timeless_mbp | it's supported | 21:39 |
| timeless_mbp | it will continue to work | 21:39 |
| timeless_mbp | you can even use it from busybox (as i did) | 21:39 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | :/ | 21:40 |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, hahaha | 21:40 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: anyway, please do tell him to piss off | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | what the **** is he thinking? | 21:41 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ? | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare_n900: stay out of this | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | it's bad for your health | 21:41 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | ... | 21:41 |
| * LuciusMare_n900 stopped understanding a few minutes agp | 21:41 | |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, meh, my Holiday Cheer is currently intact. I'm eating a Christmas turkey sandwich and enjoying the feeling of my cold fading away. :P | 21:42 |
| timeless_mbp | if you aren't sober enough to retain context, you should try to remain merrily naive | 21:42 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, I'll con Andre into putting on the firesuit after the holidays. | 21:42 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | i dont know what is wrong there | 21:42 |
| GiantTalkingCow | I've never understood why people like turkey, to be honest. I've had it made every which way and I've never taken to it. | 21:42 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | why is the perl bad? | 21:42 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare_n900: there's nothing wrong w/ perl | 21:43 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | then what? | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | the context has nothing to do with stuff here | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | again, if you aren't sober enough to follow the context, you are better served by being merrily naive | 21:43 |
| * timeless_mbp goes out | 21:43 | |
| * LuciusMare_n900 passes out | 21:44 | |
| timeless_mbp | wise choice of actions | 21:44 |
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| GAN900 | GiantTalkingCow, you clearly haven't had it served hot and smoothered in gravy on toasted rye bread. :P | 21:44 |
| GiantTalkingCow | GAN900: Sounds nice, maybe I'll give it a try. | 21:45 |
| jiajia | hei guys how to type chinese can anyone tell me if there is a third party software | 21:45 |
| jiajia | really appreciate | 21:46 |
| GiantTalkingCow | jiajia: I'm checking right now, but can't find anything right away, sorry. | 21:46 |
| GAN900 | jiajia, don't think so yet, but somebody's always come up with something in the past. | 21:46 |
| jiajia | hei thanks a lot | 21:46 |
| jiajia | everyone thanks i hope there is chinese input so it will be easier for me type chinese with my gf | 21:47 |
| GiantTalkingCow | It doesn't look as if there's any Chinese input at the moment. Unless I've missed something. :( | 21:48 |
| jiajia | hope there is:) | 21:48 |
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| GiantTalkingCow | Still no luck finding Chinese input, I'm sorry to say. You'd think that with the number of people who use it, Nokia would've added support. | 21:53 |
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| ManuelSE_ | aww | 22:00 |
| ManuelSE_ | i was thinking of more fun command | 22:00 |
| ml-N900 | heh | 22:02 |
| ml-N900 | there isn't any but that emacs workaround | 22:02 |
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| * wazd looks thru Miniature thread and smiles :) | 22:04 | |
| RST38h | what? | 22:05 |
| ManuelSE_ | did you answer ? i fell asleep | 22:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, they try to invent a UI for chess :) | 22:06 |
| RST38h | are they having fun though? | 22:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: I hope :) | 22:08 |
| RST38h | that is all that matters :) | 22:08 |
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| Ceron | http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/zbf/301715852333321377_2af2.jpg | 22:17 |
| mythtv | hi, I'm trying to setup ssh. I want to use the phone to get to a server. The phone doesn't have a .ssh directory.. what should i do ? | 22:18 |
| cehteh | mkdir .ssh ? :) | 22:18 |
| ManuelSE_ | dont panic | 22:18 |
| cehteh | well call ssh-keygen it will generate it | 22:19 |
| mythtv | ah, I'll try that, | 22:19 |
| cehteh | otherwise mkdir and chmod go-rwx | 22:19 |
| cehteh | then you may put existing keys there | 22:20 |
| mythtv | I want the regular user to be able to ssh into the server | 22:20 |
| mythtv | is that not advised? | 22:20 |
| mythtv | I saw the message about creating the directory /root/.ssh... | 22:20 |
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| ManuelSE_ | if you dispense with passwords | 22:20 |
| ManuelSE_ | then maybe you have nne | 22:20 |
| cehteh | you have to do that as user | 22:21 |
| cehteh | you are logged in as root or? | 22:21 |
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| ManuelSE_ | i would suggest other command line things | 22:21 |
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| cehteh | reminds me to delete passwords :) | 22:22 |
| ManuelSE_ | like echo exit to .bashrc | 22:22 |
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| mythtv | i'm root | 22:22 |
| cehteh | the passcode used to lock the device is stored somewhere else or? | 22:22 |
| mythtv | I'll just do it as root | 22:22 |
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| ManuelSE_ | well if u give pwdless ssh to n900 then you ddi what u do | 22:23 |
| cehteh | mythtv: ssh-keygen makes the key for the user who calls it .. so be user not root | 22:23 |
| ManuelSE_ | and do wat u dod | 22:23 |
| ManuelSE_ | then act surprised | 22:23 |
| ManuelSE_ | be fun | 22:23 |
| cehteh | ManuelSE_: woot? | 22:23 |
| ManuelSE_ | ya | 22:23 |
| ManuelSE_ | woot and lul | 22:23 |
| cehteh | disable passwords, key login only, my usual setup | 22:23 |
| ManuelSE_ | fine | 22:24 |
| mythtv | is it possible to paste text into a file somehow? | 22:24 |
| mythtv | I wish I had nano | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: that's an interesting question where hw lockkey is stored | 22:24 |
| cehteh | cat >file ? | 22:24 |
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| mythtv | the text has " and new lines | 22:25 |
| mythtv | probablly /\ as well | 22:26 |
| ManuelSE_ | i use vi | 22:26 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i hope it is not the 'user' password .. i am up to delete that :) | 22:26 |
| cehteh | well maybe i just disable | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: a really bad idea to delete user password | 22:27 |
| davyg | hey another question, does someone manage to synchronize zimbra with the n900 ? | 22:27 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: why? | 22:27 |
| Shadikka | mythtv: apt-get install nano? ;) | 22:28 |
| cehteh | with delete i mean disable .. not passwordless | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well depends on what services u use. and which config for those | 22:28 |
| mythtv | there is no nano :( | 22:28 |
| cehteh | apt-get install nano | 22:29 |
| cehteh | there is emacs too :) | 22:29 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: ah user password != lock code -- puh :) | 22:29 |
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| * cehteh deletes the password hashes completely :) | 22:29 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no. isn't. otherwise I wouldn't say it's inzeresting Q where it's stored | 22:30 |
| cehteh | VISUAL=nano vipw | 22:30 |
| cehteh | ftw | 22:30 |
| RST38h | nano! nano! nano! | 22:30 |
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| MohammadAG | mythtv, doesn't this one work http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nano/nano_2.0.7-4_armel.deb ? | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nano is a pita | 22:31 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: there *is* nano in devel or extras or testing | 22:31 |
| RST38h | other than crashing on Ctrl+W, it is ok | 22:31 |
| * cehteh sshs to his n900 | 22:32 | |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, haven't checked all apps yet, just cba to do it on the SDK when my device is arriving on monday | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: current status: it stalls somewhere in pin query, which is interesting, since i don't have a PIN | 22:32 |
| go1dfish | Stskeeps: I havent set one either | 22:33 |
| cehteh | can one use ssh-keys for openvpn? | 22:33 |
| go1dfish | iirc the default pin is 12345 | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: yeah but this is not lock code :/ | 22:33 |
| cehteh | somehow convert them? | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: it doesn't even show the pin query | 22:33 |
| cehteh | Stskeeps: pin for what? | 22:34 |
| go1dfish | oh | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | cehteh: sim | 22:34 |
| mythtv | I need to copy text from a webpage and paste it into a file, the file is not accessable by the GUI text editor it seems | 22:34 |
| mythtv | any ideas? | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | cat >>file ? | 22:34 |
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| go1dfish | mythtv: install leafpad | 22:34 |
| cehteh | mythtv: web page in microb? | 22:34 |
| go1dfish | leafpad /path/to/file | 22:35 |
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| mythtv | ok I have leafpad but how to copy? | 22:35 |
| go1dfish | in microb... | 22:35 |
| go1dfish | swipe finger in from left side of screen under speaker in | 22:35 |
| go1dfish | you'll get a new icon with a mouse cursor | 22:35 |
| cehteh | mythtv: you can enable the mouse cursor in microb by sliding the stylus (or finger) in from the left lower middle side | 22:35 |
| mythtv | the webpage is firefox | 22:35 |
| go1dfish | press it, then you'll be able to select text | 22:35 |
| cehteh | then a arrow appears, click it and you can select text | 22:36 |
| go1dfish | don't know how to on firefox/fennec | 22:36 |
| mythtv | is microb a differnet browser ? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | guys. there is sim pin. and then there's hw lock password | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | obviously | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: i'm quite sure this one is the sim pin. | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | fennec =/= fennec | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | o.o | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't show it, but my serial says otherwise. | 22:36 |
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| MohammadAG | fennec =/= microb | 22:36 |
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| go1dfish | mythtv: microb = 'Web' on the device, the default browser | 22:36 |
| * cehteh installed fennec and is not yet impressed | 22:36 | |
| go1dfish | fennec == firefox mobile or just 'firefox' on the device | 22:36 |
| go1dfish | cehteh: does fennec do portrait? | 22:37 |
| cehteh | takes ages to start, swallows ram like no tomorrow | 22:37 |
| RST38h | fennec is a resource hog | 22:37 |
| cehteh | i dint even try | 22:37 |
| go1dfish | cehteh: just like the desktop heh | 22:37 |
| cehteh | yeah i really love microb | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: missing info here to guess. But you should be able to tell from requester label, no? | 22:37 |
| go1dfish | microb is nice | 22:37 |
| RST38h | apparently, it is not possible to persuade mozilla people to stop hogging memory | 22:37 |
| go1dfish | been messing with midori today, it's pretty cool, and does portrait, but only through accelerometer/automatic | 22:37 |
| cehteh | well microb is also mozilla based | 22:38 |
| go1dfish | anyone else using microb with JIT enabled? | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: trying to get m5 dual-booting and there's a weird stall where it waits for a pin and halts bootup :P | 22:38 |
| cehteh | midori seems to lack some nice features | 22:38 |
| cehteh | Stskeeps: without asking for pin? | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: without showing it on screen | 22:38 |
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| mythtv | ok I got it thanks for help | 22:39 |
| cehteh | Stskeeps: remove the sim? | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | cehteh: yeah, but kinda useless not to go head on :) | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | killing the process over serial made it boot a bit | 22:39 |
| cehteh | Stskeeps: well at least proofs that this is the problem | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: seems thats pin indeed | 22:39 |
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| go1dfish | are the cellular drivers open? i.e. any chance at getting cellular working in a non-maemo os on the n900? | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: general rule is that nokia don't mind nokia software on nokia devices.. | 22:40 |
| Robot101 | can you install some gstreamer stuff to make the built-in media player support .flv? | 22:40 |
| cehteh | driver is just tty .. no celluar firmware is open | 22:40 |
| konttori | silly question: how can I make a dbus call from the qml javascript? | 22:40 |
| cehteh | not even on freerunner it was/is | 22:40 |
| Robot101 | go1dfish: its planned for ofono at some point | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | Robot101, I think I saw extra codecs on a repository | 22:40 |
| wazd | konttori: oh, you're back :) | 22:40 |
| mythtv | I'm following directions for fedora to setup ssh,, it says to copy the public key to a file called ~/.ssh/authorized_keys this file does not exist,, is it ok it create it.. or is maemo different from Fedora ? | 22:40 |
| konttori | yeah. I was putting baby to sleep, then watched a movie | 22:41 |
| Robot101 | go1dfish: the firmware you'll still need to use a blob from nokia | 22:41 |
| RST38h | konttori: system()? | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: the pin is queried really early in bootup' to enable concurrent gsm and system init | 22:41 |
| Robot101 | go1dfish: but that runs on the CMT chip | 22:41 |
| cehteh | mythtv: you can just create that file | 22:41 |
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| mythtv | cehteh: thanks | 22:41 |
| wazd | konttori: Now bat runs TM | 22:41 |
| cehteh | but ensure that only user has permission, not group and other | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: but no, there's no problem really | 22:41 |
| cehteh | ssh is quite picky | 22:41 |
| go1dfish | Robot101: cool, firmware blobs don't bother me so bad, I am a fan of openness for the practical benefits, the philosophy is nice to, but flexibility is key | 22:41 |
| wazd | konttori: but I still can't build theme | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: it's about asking nicely really and work with them | 22:42 |
| cehteh | mythtv: cat id_rsa.pub >>.ssh/authorized_keys | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: http://wiki.maemo.org/Token_based_access_restriction | 22:42 |
| go1dfish | so the only piece of hardware that would be problematic on alternate OS's would be the DSP and the GPU correct? | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: I'd guess this early non X query dialog blocks X init to stop X interfere with it | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: not even those really.. | 22:42 |
| wazd | konttori: last string is "at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(Unknown Source) | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: most of the stuff can be gotten through SSU repositories | 22:43 |
| konttori | wazd: was it able to create the theme folder? | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: or through the SDK repository | 22:43 |
| konttori | does the theme folder contain DEBIAN and opt? | 22:43 |
| wazd | konttori: debian and usr | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: or if it's not X then maybe the window manager | 22:43 |
| go1dfish | Stskeeps: thats cool | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: i am thinking that matchbox might be messing up.. but i'll investigate it later | 22:44 |
| go1dfish | but not a complete solution, breaks down if you want to get really different and run BSD, HURD etc... | 22:44 |
| konttori | wazd: sounds like you have old version of theme maker | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: yes, but there's no way to run something else than linux kernels anyway | 22:44 |
| konttori | new one makes opt folder | 22:44 |
| go1dfish | but still very nice | 22:44 |
| cehteh | mythtv: there is also the 'ssh-copy-id' command ... at least on debian which does this nicely | 22:44 |
| wazd | konttori: hmm | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | go1dfish: the only problem is distributing images with closed stuff but there's ways to deal with that | 22:45 |
| cehteh | but you need password login enabled on the target machine for that, at least to install the key | 22:45 |
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| Stskeeps | go1dfish: which is what token stuff is supposed to fix | 22:45 |
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| Robot101 | Stskeeps: what would it take to get a packages.maemo.org like packages.debian.org / ubuntu.com? | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | Robot101: i think jeremiah was working on something like that.. though, isn't maemo.org/packages a bit like this? | 22:48 |
| mythtv | ok I'm ssh'ing but getting a non-response I assume it will time out | 22:49 |
| mythtv | I can ping the address | 22:49 |
| mythtv | perhaps it's a router issue? | 22:49 |
| konttori | RST38h: thanks. And would you happen to know if JIT is enabled on the qt4.6 maemo port for qtscript? | 22:50 |
| mythtv | it's using protocol 2 (not sure what that means) | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | mythtv: pc to n900 will at times time out due to PSM | 22:51 |
| mythtv | the pc would be the server, I wouldn't want to allow someone to the phone | 22:52 |
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| mythtv | I see in /etc/ssh/sshconfig there is a line IdentityFile ~/.ssh/identity I had assumed this would have been ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 22:54 |
| cehteh | on what side? | 22:54 |
| cehteh | you want from phone to server | 22:54 |
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| cehteh | so you dont need sshd running on phone, you need the server authorized keys file prepped with the phones id_rsa.pup | 22:55 |
| mythtv | yes | 22:55 |
| mythtv | phone to server | 22:55 |
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| mythtv | the config file was on the phone | 22:55 |
| cehteh | has your server password logins? | 22:55 |
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| cehteh | you dont need to change config for that. defaults work | 22:56 |
| mythtv | the server was setup to use a public key,, I trasfered this to the phone, and changed the port | 22:56 |
| cehteh | thats the wrong way around | 22:56 |
| mythtv | I think I've already setup the server correctly | 22:56 |
| cehteh | no password logins on your server (usually sane, but makes this a little harder) | 22:57 |
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| cehteh | well you think :) .. does it work? :) | 22:57 |
| mythtv | it might just be a router thing | 22:57 |
| mythtv | is there anyway to tell,, I'm assuming it's a NAT router so hoping it would just work | 22:57 |
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| RST38h | The New York Times is reporting that no one will be able to move from their seats during the last hour of flight. That means no bathroom breaks, no accessing carry-on luggage, nothing. When that plane starts descending, you're planted. | 22:58 |
| cehteh | the simplest thing to set this up is 'ssh-copy-id login@serv.er' but that needs password auth | 22:58 |
| RST38h | Multiple sources, among them Xeni Jardin of Boing Boing, have also been told that no electronics are allowed on international flights | 22:58 |
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| cehteh | soon passenger must board naked | 22:58 |
| RST38h | centeh: My idea exactly | 22:59 |
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| Milo- | interesting how this phone doesn't overheat like all other nokias | 22:59 |
| cehteh | we want a naked crew too then | 22:59 |
| mythtv | that new scanner they have is basically that | 22:59 |
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| RST38h | centeh: naked, full body search, including anal cavity, airline-issues pajamas | 22:59 |
| cehteh | Milo-: i am sure you can do that :) | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: south park episode where mr garrison makes a replacement transportation vehicle comes to mind as more comfortable | 22:59 |
| RST38h | centeh: and a shot of valium to polish off the experience | 22:59 |
| Milo- | cehteh not sure if I wanted to see tekojo naked o_O | 23:00 |
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| mythtv | since we are all off topic,, google wtc7 all of this started with a lie | 23:00 |
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| cehteh | lol | 23:00 |
| * cehteh going to setup openvpn | 23:00 | |
| RST38h | not being able to use my beloved n900 on the inbound US flight is very on topic | 23:00 |
| Milo- | naked openvpn? | 23:01 |
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| cehteh | i dont care .. i never used it before looks like some setup pita | 23:01 |
| Milo- | RST38h why not? | 23:01 |
| mythtv | is it worth looking at my router? is there anyway to tell if the router is the problem? I can ping, and behind the router is only 1 computer which is the server | 23:01 |
| RST38h | Milo: US is getting all terrorist all over again | 23:02 |
| cehteh | Milo-: my n900 gets warm when charging .. combine that with 100% cpu, dsp and gpu load and i bet it will overheat | 23:02 |
| cehteh | actually earlier today the cpu ran at 100% and it got quite warm | 23:02 |
| mythtv | I don't know if you can call them terrorist if they had military training in san diego | 23:03 |
| cehteh | xinput server was borked somehow, had to reboot it | 23:03 |
| Milo- | RST38h great, does that mean you will have to hand over your phones before flight? | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK | the simple static key openvpn setup is pretty trivial | 23:03 |
| RST38h | Milo: No idea | 23:03 |
| cehteh | that means usa is on my no-fly-list again | 23:03 |
| cehteh | Obamistan :) | 23:03 |
| RST38h | Milo: My wife is traveling to US soon enough, she will tell | 23:04 |
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| Milo- | would be worried since they have the habbit of losing your luggages | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh: I think the kernel knows how to throttle cpu if it gets too hot | 23:04 |
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| cehteh | ShadowJK: would be new to me .. i only know x86 where the kernel can not do that but SM-Bios does | 23:05 |
| cehteh | while arm has no system management mode or? | 23:05 |
| go1dfish | RST38h: ugh :( | 23:05 |
| go1dfish | still allowed for domestic though right? (electronics in flight) | 23:06 |
| RST38h | No idea | 23:06 |
| timeless | sp3000: youtube made for a quite unmerry christmas present :( | 23:06 |
| RST38h | So far it looks like TSA is making its own laws on the fly | 23:06 |
| go1dfish | RST38h: there isnt a part of our government anymore that doesnt, and has been this way for quite some time | 23:07 |
| timeless | rst: gov agenceies writew regulations | 23:09 |
| timeless | roughly practices for how they intend to follow/enforce laws | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, yeah arm doesn't have smm | 23:10 |
| timeless | if their actiohns are in violation of statutes, someone will sue, demanding complience | 23:10 |
| timeless | s/hn/n/ | 23:10 |
| infobot | timeless meant: if their actions are in violation of statutes, someone will sue, demanding complience | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, oh hey, I was wondering if there was a magic conf option to make disk cache permanent in microb, seems to get emptied after each restart? | 23:11 |
| timeless | shadow: um | 23:11 |
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| timeless | we don't enable disk cache by default | 23:11 |
| timeless | so did you manually enable it? | 23:11 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 23:11 |
| RST38h | "The weapon's ammunition initially appeared to be human-like teeth. However, DNA testing of the "bullets" resulted in no match to any known species on Earth." | 23:11 |
| timeless | gecko will eat your disk cache if it isn't safely shutdown | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, what's that about? | 23:12 |
| timeless | e.g. because it crashed | 23:12 |
| timeless | or because it was killed by its host | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, well, I was just closing it from dashboard after visiting google maps, then reopened and checked about:cache to find everything at 0 | 23:12 |
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| timeless | in some versions, browser ui generally kills microb :( | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 23:13 |
| * timeless discovers this kosher chinese restaurant has a buffet :9 | 23:13 | |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-127 | 23:14 |
| rantom | If I may I'd have a question about Maemo 5 about applications installation space? | 23:14 |
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| RST38h | ? | 23:15 |
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| rantom | I happened to find out yesterday that I can "only" install in total of 1.5 Gb on my N900 so would this mean that once I reach that limit I can't install anymore applications? | 23:15 |
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| MohammadAG | rantom, your device won't boot :p | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG | if rootfs get filled up, the device will get bricked | 23:16 |
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| rantom | Aha | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | rantom: there's 256mb NAND and 2gb /opt | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | you can increase it | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | rantom: you can technically expand your /opt though | 23:17 |
| rantom | How? I did try to do it yesterday but didn't find it from the phone | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | there's no gui for it | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | talk.maemo.org | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | it's a hack | 23:18 |
| timeless | rantom: how much space have you wasted on a desktop for app? | 23:18 |
| rantom | Not much, megas (Mb's) | 23:18 |
| rantom | Not that space would be a problem, I was just wondering | 23:19 |
| timeless | in practice you'll probably fill the rootfs w/ apt packaging info before you fill /opt | 23:19 |
| timeless | wow, happy me | 23:19 |
| timeless | mt dinner cost more than the buffet | 23:20 |
| timeless | so they billed for the buffet | 23:20 |
| timeless | this would never happen in finland | 23:20 |
| timeless | oh, and the food, service, and music were all good | 23:20 |
| rantom | No, I think it wouldn't happen in here :p | 23:20 |
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| timeless | oops | 23:21 |
| timeless | what's tip here in england? | 23:21 |
| rantom | But yeah, thanks for the answer (if this would've been iPhone I'd just get "Now why would you want to do that?", heh) | 23:22 |
| timeless | iPhone has no split | 23:22 |
| timeless | in practice you eventually realize that too many apps on iPhone = harder to get to apps you actually use | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | rantom, some people don't like to be told about these theoretical possibilities either. They think it makes the phone "complicated" :-) | 23:23 |
| timeless | and in theory you start trashing the ones getting in your way | 23:23 |
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| timeless | from reading some people's iPhone studies, it seems that eventually happens | 23:24 |
| rantom | Yeah. Well so far I only installed Piding, Recorder and OpenSSH Client and I'm good to go | 23:24 |
| rantom | Pidgin* | 23:24 |
| * GAN900 wishes Telepathy Haze would get to Extras. | 23:24 | |
| timeless | which is haze? | 23:25 |
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| RST38h | Hmm...Looks like I am done for today | 23:26 |
| RST38h | A dose of DrWho and sleep. | 23:27 |
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| Proteous | DR WHO SPECIAL FTW | 23:30 |
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| GAN900 | timeless, AIM, Yahoo, MSN, etc. | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | is haze less evil than butterfly? | 23:38 |
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| GAN900 | Hrm, should hands free get callerid info? | 23:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | GAN900: *sigh* | 23:58 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't believe that guy responded | 23:58 |
| timeless_mbp | it should be painfully clear to him that i read comments because they're in my email | 23:58 |
| timeless_mbp | and i read my email | 23:58 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to read spam | 23:59 | |
| timeless_mbp | (spam is happier than bugmail) | 23:59 |
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