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| xeviox | as the synaptic manager just offer Creator 1.2.x I will use the download from qt.nokia.com, anything I should take special care? | 00:00 |
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| Milo- | uh oh, I have a virus on my phone | 00:00 |
| Jaffa | Milo-: If maemo.org/packages is broken, contact X-Fade; then you can contact the developer ;-) | 00:00 |
| Milo- | called 'foreca installer' | 00:00 |
| Milo- | there we go, got rid of that virus nice and easily | 00:00 |
| Jaffa | Milo-: Oh, that's provided by a Nokia business partner, Foreca :) | 00:01 |
| xeviox | Milo-: virus??? on the n900 ? | 00:01 |
| Jaffa | xeviox: I think I just ran the installer on Ubuntu without problems; but only briefly played with it. | 00:01 |
| Milo- | xeviox yes. *-installer == virus | 00:01 |
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| Jaffa | xeviox: To clarify, Milo- is being facetious :) | 00:02 |
| Milo- | 22:06:47 Gadgetoid_mbp >> ali1234: those installers are a bit like the AOL trials of the mobile world | 00:02 |
| Milo- | 22:06:17 ali1234 >> a metapackage that removes all those dumb "installers" and then enables all the extras repos | 00:02 |
| Milo- | slightly in wrong order | 00:02 |
| Milo- | but you get the picture :( | 00:02 |
| ali1234 | yeah, there's a chicken-egg problem there unfortunately | 00:02 |
| ali1234 | unless said package could be got into extras | 00:03 |
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| Milo- | Jaffa is X-Fade in charge of maemo.org/packages? | 00:04 |
| Jaffa | Milo-: yup | 00:05 |
| Milo- | okay, but I don't think he will change its location to a real server :P | 00:05 |
| Milo- | which is the issue at hand. | 00:05 |
| Jaffa | That is in hand ;-) | 00:05 |
| Milo- | I know, I was stunned how I wrote 'at' | 00:06 |
| Proteous | worth two in the bush I always say | 00:06 |
| Jaffa | Milo-: I (for once) wasn't trying to be pedantic: servers are being upgraded atm | 00:07 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Crapware on phones, whatever next | 00:07 |
| xeviox | hmm now I downloaded the binary for linux and just got a .bin file, what should I do with it?? (sorry I'm not that experienced with linux :( ) | 00:07 |
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| melmoth | it s most probably an auto install script thingy. chmod +x foo.bin; ./foo.bin | 00:08 |
| Jaffa | xeviox: I think melmoth's right; I believe there are instructions somehwere | 00:09 |
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| xeviox | k I'll try :D | 00:11 |
| xeviox | thank you | 00:11 |
| AakashPatel | Is anyone here good with Qt C++? | 00:11 |
| xeviox | which is the path that is shared from scratchbox? (Where I have to store the files generated by the IDE) | 00:12 |
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| xeviox | melmoth: wow that did the trick, thank you :D | 00:15 |
| xeviox | very cool | 00:15 |
| xeviox | I begin to really love linux :D | 00:15 |
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| xeviox | what is the default path apps are installed on linux? (like Program Files on windows) | 00:16 |
| melmoth | there is no such thing. but typical location are /bin and /usr/bin | 00:17 |
| xeviox | thank you | 00:17 |
| xeviox | then I'll need /usr/bin as I didn't start it with sudo, right? | 00:18 |
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| melmoth | you will need root privilege to install thing in /usr/bin | 00:18 |
| melmoth | within scratchbox, use fakeroot instead of sudo | 00:19 |
| xeviox | k | 00:19 |
| xeviox | so what's the difference between /bin and /usr/bin? | 00:19 |
| xeviox | running the installer with sudo it's default path is /opt/... | 00:20 |
| xeviox | ?!? I'm confused ^ | 00:20 |
| xeviox | ^^ | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | /bin is generally the applications used in early boot | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | And /sbin | 00:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | /usr/bin is the 'userland' applications installed by default in your OS | 00:20 |
| matan | which explains why /usr can't all be in /opt. | 00:21 |
| Shadikka | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard#Directory_structure | 00:21 |
| Shadikka | That might help. :) | 00:21 |
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| Disease | hello ! | 00:23 |
| Disease | are there french users here plz ? | 00:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - at least one. | 00:24 |
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| xeviox | so following some tips on the net I can install it in /bin (but shouldn't because it's not delivered with the distri) same for /usr/bin or in /opt (optional software) or in /usr/local/bin (tip from the internet) | 00:24 |
| xeviox | so, which should I use ?? ^^ | 00:24 |
| xeviox | thank you all for the help | 00:24 |
| xeviox | I know how annoying it could be to get all the newby questions .. | 00:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry - what are you doing again? | 00:26 |
| xeviox | SpeedEvil: I try to install the Qt Creator on the host system | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ah. | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - never played with that. | 00:27 |
| xeviox | now I'm confused in which directory I should install the binaries .. | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | look for a install fil, or instructions where you downloaded it | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | is there one binary, or many? | 00:27 |
| xeviox | I have an installer, but it asks me where to put the binaries | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:27 |
| fdv | uhm. can anybody tell me where to start with python on n900? Is there a hildon python module or are there other libs? Is there some updated introductory docs somewhere? | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | /usr/local/bin/ is probably saf | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | e | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | This is for local binaries that are not installed by the system | 00:28 |
| xeviox | SpeedEvil: so I should not use the installers default /opt ? | 00:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | leave it at default | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | probably not a bad plan | 00:28 |
| xeviox | k ^^ | 00:28 |
| xeviox | windows makes that one easier lol | 00:29 |
| melmoth | fdv if you have never done any python before, start with the official python tutorial | 00:29 |
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| Shadikka | Python <3 | 00:29 |
| xeviox | what is the directory that is shared between the host and scratchbox? | 00:30 |
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| jebba | hey can someone run this in the terminal and paste me the outputs? It just gets your xterm key settings: | 00:31 |
| jebba | gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/xterm/keys | 00:31 |
| jebba | gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels | 00:31 |
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| melmoth | hmmm, /scratchbox/user/home/user if i remember correctly | 00:31 |
| xeviox | ah cool thanks | 00:31 |
| fdv | melmoth: I've done my share of python, I'm just curious which libraries are the best to start with on maemo 5. I've just set up scratchbox and there doesn't seem to be a python-hildon package in the default set of repos at least | 00:31 |
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| melmoth | ~ $ gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/xterm/keys | 00:31 |
| melmoth | [Tab,Escape,Page_Up,Page_Down] | 00:31 |
| melmoth | ~ $ gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels | 00:31 |
| melmoth | [Tab,Esc,PgUp,PgDn] | 00:31 |
| melmoth | ~ $ | 00:31 |
| infobot | i heard $ is a dollar sign | 00:31 |
| fdv | melmoth: gui libs, that is | 00:32 |
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| fdv | hildon is a set of gtk extensions, right? | 00:32 |
| jebba | cool, thx melmoth :) | 00:32 |
| xeviox | as you guys don't use the Qt Creator, which IDEs do you use for development? | 00:33 |
| melmoth | fdv http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Developing_Python_Applications_for_Maemo | 00:33 |
| fdv | melmoth: great, thanks | 00:33 |
| melmoth | should not be that much different in maemo5 | 00:33 |
| Shadikka | I didn't even know of such an article. | 00:33 |
| * Shadikka is ashamed. | 00:33 | |
| melmoth | but they are some slight difference in some gtk function prototype | 00:33 |
| fdv | well, there is always progress ;) | 00:33 |
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| fdv | saw that page, it's just hard to tell what's the latest and greatest | 00:35 |
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| melmoth | it s not the latest, but the general idea is there | 00:35 |
| melmoth | if you used to use glade, you ll have to do a reparent trick for the main window to have it hildonised | 00:35 |
| melmoth | i think the following article mention the issue: http://danielwould.wordpress.com/2009/12/06/developing-python-for-maemo-5/ | 00:36 |
| fdv | ok, thanks. I've rarely used glade, though, never written that many GUIs :) | 00:36 |
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| melmoth | but basically, what you have is a usual pygtk environment, plus some maemo specific thingy such as hildon, osso, libconic ... | 00:36 |
| fdv | melmoth: python2.5-sdk doesn't seem to exist, though | 00:36 |
| fdv | are they in some other repo? | 00:38 |
| Milhouse | No additional portrait functionality in 51-1 then, just bug fixes? | 00:39 |
| Arkenoi | are there any outliners/mind mapping programs being ported? | 00:39 |
| melmoth | fdv apt-cache search python |grep gtk should give you available package | 00:39 |
| melmoth | the above article was written for maemo4, the package list may have changed in fremantle | 00:40 |
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| fdv | it appears to have. I'll try python2.5-gtk-dev | 00:40 |
| fdv | gtk2, that is | 00:40 |
| fdv | hm. no hildon there either. apt-cache search python.*hildon draws a blank | 00:41 |
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| melmoth | just install any (hildonised) pygtk app in your sdk with apt-get, you ll have the lib. | 00:43 |
| fdv | :) | 00:43 |
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| fdv | any suggestions, btw? I'm really new to maemo | 00:48 |
| grondilu | IP via bluetooth : quelqu'un a réussi ? | 00:48 |
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| grondilu | sorry : IP via bluetooth : has comeone actually succeeded ? | 00:49 |
| grondilu | IP via bluetooth : has anyone actually succeeded ? | 00:49 |
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| Lantizia | Anyone know if there is a maximum size to the micro SD the N900 can handle? | 00:52 |
| grondilu | 16Go I think | 00:53 |
| Arkenoi | more like 32 | 00:53 |
| Arkenoi | there was one in "hackerbox" edition, right? | 00:54 |
| grondilu | I doubt it was 32Go | 00:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | It will be at least several terabytes with SDXC - which is electrically compatible | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | it will need new protocol drivers, and if you want to maintain compatibility a new stupid MS FS. | 00:56 |
| grondilu | several terabytes ?? | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Not now of course | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | the SDXC standard goes up to a few T IIRC | 00:57 |
| grondilu | It won't be possible to address such large amount of memory, will it ? | 00:58 |
| ml-N900 | 2TB | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | grondilu: yes, it's possible. | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | grondilu: it's not a RAM like thing | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | grondilu: it's more like a USB stick in some ways. | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | grondilu: or a NFS drive | 00:59 |
| grondilu | oh... | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | the size is not rigidly set by the electrical interface. | 01:00 |
| grondilu | and it will work on a N900 ??? (I can't even imagine...) | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it, yes. | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | It will need a new kernel. | 01:01 |
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| grondilu | indeed: http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/sdxc | 01:01 |
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| Arkenoi | what is the recommended and less intrusive (more reliable) way of moving parts of / to a different fs? is there a script that surely won't break things? ;-) | 01:14 |
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| thresh | maemo-optify? | 01:15 |
| thresh | dunno if it only works with .deb packages though | 01:15 |
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| xeviox | I've created a little app with Qt and ran qmake to create the makefile | 01:20 |
| xeviox | after running make I get some .o files | 01:20 |
| xeviox | but nothing else | 01:20 |
| xeviox | so which is the "executable"? | 01:20 |
| BabelO | xeviox: what is in your .pro file | 01:21 |
| xeviox | ah wait | 01:21 |
| xeviox | I called the project "TestProject" | 01:21 |
| xeviox | now there is a File "TestProject" in the folder, without any extension | 01:22 |
| xeviox | is that the executable? | 01:22 |
| BabelO | it is the executable yes | 01:22 |
| xeviox | ah cool | 01:22 |
| xeviox | should I rename it to get an extension? like .bin ? | 01:22 |
| BabelO | no unix binary have no extension | 01:23 |
| xeviox | ah ok | 01:23 |
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| xeviox | I really have to learn much more about unix / linux ;) | 01:23 |
| xeviox | thank you | 01:23 |
| ifreq | yeah, start with manpages ands tuff | 01:23 |
| BabelO | use command file ./TestProject to check that your build architecture | 01:23 |
| xeviox | ah ok | 01:24 |
| xeviox | ls also shows it highlighted in green :D | 01:24 |
| xeviox | cool | 01:24 |
| xeviox | the first "running" qt app on maemo | 01:24 |
| xeviox | :D | 01:24 |
| grondilu | xeviox: The books of O'Realy editor are good too | 01:24 |
| xeviox | do I have to use the same package sources for armel as for x86 (to install qtdev tools and qt technical preview)? | 01:25 |
| xeviox | grondilu: ah cool, I'll take a look :) | 01:25 |
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| Arkenoi | thresh, i'd prefer something that will work on things already installed | 01:30 |
| Milhouse | Anyone here who does the QA of apps in extras? | 01:30 |
| jebba | any clue how to get a key to trigger a script? Like pressing the british pound symbol to run something? | 01:30 |
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| VDVsx | Milhouse, what's the problem ? | 01:30 |
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| Anidel | hello guys | 01:31 |
| Anidel | any community-tester around ? | 01:31 |
| VDVsx | hey Anidel | 01:31 |
| Milhouse | It's a real nit, but just noticing a few apps where the description in App Manager doesn't begin with capital letter, eg. liqflow "finger friendly fluid dynamics etc." should be "Finger friendly..." | 01:31 |
| Anidel | hi valerio, I guess you are | 01:31 |
| Milhouse | Also liqtorch and Hex-a-Hop same issue. | 01:32 |
| Milhouse | As I say, it's a real nit but it's an easy thing to enforce/insist upon | 01:32 |
| Milhouse | eCoach is a special case of course :) | 01:33 |
| Anidel | VDVsx you there? | 01:33 |
| Milhouse | Sopwith is another | 01:33 |
| Milhouse | Maybe I should open a bug... | 01:33 |
| ali1234 | i say we just ban capital letters completely. it would save a lot of work. plus it would free up a key on the n900 keyboard :) | 01:33 |
| VDVsx | Milhouse, yes please, since that against the debian policy afaik | 01:34 |
| Milhouse | Add OpenVPN to the list, so just those 5 - not bad. ok will do, under what category/product, any idea? | 01:34 |
| VDVsx | Milhouse, but I'm afraid that isn't a blocker according to the q&a | 01:35 |
| Milhouse | shame - kinda lowers the tone | 01:35 |
| VDVsx | Milhouse, you should report the bug against the project itself | 01:35 |
| VDVsx | all have bugtrackers | 01:35 |
| ali1234 | Milhouse: your best chance is probably opening bugs against each package on garage | 01:35 |
| Milhouse | umm, ok (milhouse wishes he hadn't started this now :)) | 01:36 |
| Milhouse | bollox to garage i want to be in bed within the next 2 hours | 01:36 |
| Milhouse | garage is like wading through treacle | 01:36 |
| fdv | melmoth: I was missing the pymaemo repo. thanks for your help :) | 01:37 |
| Milhouse | will raise the bugs in b.m.o | 01:37 |
| Milhouse | VDVsx - if you are involved in the QA, could you and your colleagues keep an eye out for this kind of nit picking? | 01:37 |
| Milhouse | arse, most of the offending apps don't have entries in b.m.o | 01:38 |
| xeviox | where can I get the qt-technical-preview sources for arm? | 01:38 |
| xeviox | or better where to find the packages? | 01:39 |
| Milhouse | err.. nor are they in garage | 01:40 |
| VDVsx | Milhouse, yes no problem :), I already reported a few bugs against apps that use the app name in the short description :) will give more attention to that particular issue | 01:40 |
| Milhouse | thanks! | 01:40 |
| VDVsx | Milhouse, better use the package interface | 01:40 |
| Milhouse | eh? | 01:41 |
| VDVsx | http://maemo.org/packages/ | 01:41 |
| Milhouse | oh right ta | 01:41 |
| Milhouse | much better, thanks | 01:41 |
| VDVsx | for e.g: http://maemo.org/packages/view/ecoach/ | 01:41 |
| VDVsx | the bug tracker is there | 01:42 |
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| Milhouse | no luck with http://maemo.org/packages/view/sopwith/ | 01:43 |
| Milhouse | don't think it's got a bugtracker has it? | 01:43 |
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| Milhouse | no bug tracker for sopwith, liqflow or liqtorch | 01:46 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, ping | 01:46 |
| VDVsx | Milhouse, for sopwith you can comment here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/sopwith/1.7.1-4maemo5 | 01:46 |
| lcuk | \o | 01:47 |
| xeviox | seems that I broke my arm target in scratchbox, any ways to rebuild it? | 01:47 |
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| Milhouse | hi lcuk | 01:47 |
| Milhouse | (thanks VDVsc) | 01:47 |
| lcuk | xeviox, plaster cast | 01:47 |
| xeviox | lcuk: ?? | 01:47 |
| VDVsx | Milhouse, np :) | 01:47 |
| lcuk | "<xeviox> seems that I broke my arm " | 01:47 |
| Milhouse | lcuk: as above, just a couple of nits with liqflow/liqtorch in the App Manager description | 01:48 |
| xeviox | lcuk: the arm target in scratchbox .. | 01:48 |
| lcuk | Milhouse, theres a bugtracker now, but its not linked to the account yet, bugs.maemo.org has them | 01:48 |
| ali1234 | xeviox: there's a way to reset the target in sb-menu | 01:48 |
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| xeviox | is it possible to reset it to the install default of the sdk? | 01:48 |
| lcuk | im making changes now to liqflow and will be changing | 01:48 |
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| lcuk | but if you would make a note in there please | 01:49 |
| xeviox | ali1234: yes, but after resetting it doesn't know the apt-get command... so it seems he deleted everything .. | 01:49 |
| lcuk | "not linked to the app yet" | 01:49 |
| ali1234 | xeviox: seems like you broke it really bad then... | 01:49 |
| Milhouse | couldn't find them in b.m.o - you sure they're there or do you want it in liqbase (think thats there) | 01:49 |
| ali1234 | xeviox: i can't help sorry... | 01:50 |
| xeviox | np thanks | 01:50 |
| lcuk | Milhouse, they are part of liqbase | 01:50 |
| lcuk | a component thereof | 01:50 |
| Milhouse | ok will file shortly | 01:50 |
| lcuk | they exist either standalone of embedded | 01:50 |
| ali1234 | xeviox: reseting the target should not delete "everything" like that, so i dunno... | 01:50 |
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| Milhouse | 7290 and 7291, gary! :) | 01:55 |
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| xeviox | k, there are to options in sb-menu | 01:55 |
| xeviox | one is Clear that seems to clear a target | 01:56 |
| VDVsx | Milhouse, humm the capital char at the begging of description is not referred in debian policy, at least I can't find that rule o_0 | 01:56 |
| xeviox | and one is Setup to setup a target | 01:56 |
| xeviox | I've run setup with arm compiler | 01:56 |
| Milhouse | ah, i thought someone mentioned it here - oh well | 01:56 |
| Milhouse | well, it looks nicer if capitalised | 01:56 |
| xeviox | now I get the following error: E: Unable to determine a suitable packaging system type | 01:57 |
| xeviox | when I run "fakeroot apt-get update" | 01:57 |
| VDVsx | Milhouse, yes, of course, and is the correct way, at least in English :) | 01:57 |
| VDVsx | Milhouse, but that way this is not a bug, is enhancement instead :D | 01:57 |
| xeviox | hmm there is no folder / file in /etc | 01:58 |
| Milhouse | emm yes... don't we have Maemo packaging standards? | 01:58 |
| VDVsx | for the records the rules are here: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-descriptions | 01:58 |
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| xeviox | can someone give me the content of his /etc/apt/sources.list file? (in the arm target) | 01:58 |
| Macer | hell yeah. clocking almost 100K/s over my tethered G1 :) | 01:58 |
| Milhouse | I'd push for it to be in our standards even if not part of Debian | 01:58 |
| Macer | way better than xp was going | 01:58 |
| Macer | over a samba share using a vpn | 01:58 |
| Milhouse | of course there are good reasons to allow exceptions, ie. the description on eCoach | 01:59 |
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| Milhouse | but on the whole, conform with standard English when the description is in English | 01:59 |
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| Milhouse | ok that's bugs filed against hex-a-hop, liqbase *2 and openvpn but sopwith is out of my reach | 02:00 |
| VDVsx | Milhouse, I agree | 02:00 |
| VDVsx | for sopwith you can comment in the package interface | 02:01 |
| Milhouse | i'll try that now | 02:01 |
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| VDVsx | mikkov is the maintainer, not here atm it seems | 02:02 |
| Milhouse | i'm being thick, where do i leave a comment? | 02:02 |
| Milhouse | i'm on this page: http://maemo.org/packages/view/sopwith/ | 02:02 |
| xeviox | what is a rootstrap for scratchbox? | 02:03 |
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| SmilybOrg | Milhouse it seems that you have to go into the version you want to comment on | 02:05 |
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| Smily | like so: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_i386/sopwith/1.7.1-4maemo5/ | 02:06 |
| VDVsx | correct | 02:06 |
| Milhouse | gotcah - many thanks | 02:06 |
| Milhouse | s/gotcah/gotcha/ | 02:06 |
| infobot | Milhouse meant: gotcha - many thanks | 02:06 |
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| grondilu | test | 02:07 |
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| xeviox | is it possible to draw chinese and arabic text on maemo? | 02:19 |
| ml-N900 | not yet, at least not without abusing emacs | 02:20 |
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| xeviox | hmm | 02:20 |
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| xeviox | is it possible to load fonts? | 02:21 |
| xeviox | damn, I don't get scratchbox to restore the arm target *grr | 02:23 |
| xeviox | is there a restore option in the installer? | 02:24 |
| * Arkenoi wonders if we run xorg anyways why c&p is not just everywhere? :-( | 02:25 | |
| xeviox | c&p? | 02:25 |
| xeviox | can maemo handle .ttf fonts? | 02:26 |
| ali1234 | maemo's xterm can do chinese fonts | 02:26 |
| xeviox | xterm? | 02:27 |
| ali1234 | i dunno how you would type them, but if you have a file with them in, and you cat it, you see them | 02:27 |
| ali1234 | yes, X terminal on n900 | 02:27 |
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| ali1234 | i just tried it by logging in on ssh and doing "echo 公司首页 > /tmp/foo" | 02:28 |
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| ali1234 | and then "cat /tmp/foo" in xterm, and it works | 02:28 |
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| xeviox_ | ah k, sounds good :D | 02:28 |
| xeviox_ | ali1234: is the n900 really that smooth as shown in some vids? | 02:28 |
| xeviox_ | also running qt apps? | 02:29 |
| Arkenoi | xeviox_, cut&paste | 02:29 |
| ali1234 | got a link to a vid? | 02:29 |
| Arkenoi | xeviox_, text selection is not available in most application | 02:29 |
| Arkenoi | applications even | 02:29 |
| xeviox_ | Arkenoi: no I just need text display of chinese and arabic texts (no input / no selection) | 02:30 |
| xeviox_ | ah k sorry | 02:30 |
| xeviox_ | that was answer to my question | 02:30 |
| xeviox_ | ^^ | 02:30 |
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| xeviox_ | ali1234: qt shows some: qt.nokia.com (look for qt for maemo) | 02:30 |
| xeviox_ | is it possible to reset a target in scratchbox to the sdk default (right after setup)? | 02:31 |
| ali1234 | qt.nokia.com just repeatedly crashes firefox | 02:32 |
| ali1234 | can't find any videos | 02:32 |
| ali1234 | three times in a row, i better bug report this :/ | 02:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a way to do xrandr -o left/right ? | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't especially care - immediately - if everything works - I just want to be able to display stuff from an external program on a display that's round the other way | 02:41 |
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| ali1234 | SpeedEvil: mirror? | 02:45 |
| ali1234 | or you mean swap all the windows between the two screens? | 02:45 |
| ali1234 | which afaik would need to be done by the window manager, not xrandr | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ali1234: no - I want to simply have the display rotated 90 degrees | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | and then display other apps on the screen | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I can start FF - for example - with no problem on my desktop and have it display on the phone | 02:47 |
| ali1234 | hmm not sure i understand | 02:48 |
| ali1234 | xrandr can rotate the display but i guess you know that | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - it's not on the device. | 02:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | I need to get somesort of build platform setup. | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | But I've been spending all my spare time trying to insulate my house. | 02:49 |
| xeviox_ | ali1234: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkS2vP4-_4&feature=player_embedded, doesn't crash on my firefox .. | 02:50 |
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| xeviox_ | ali1234: does your phone run as smooth as shown in the vid? | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | youtube works OKish on the device for me. | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | But flash blows. | 02:54 |
| xeviox_ | oh :( | 02:54 |
| xeviox_ | but it works? | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | normal youtube gets ~12fps perhaps. | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe a bit more. | 02:54 |
| pupnik | good estimate SpeedEvil | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Under mplayer, it's more like 60 for the same file | 02:54 |
| xeviox_ | oh :( | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | xeviox_: sure, that looks reasonable | 02:54 |
| xeviox_ | thats not really much .. | 02:54 |
| pupnik | that is ADOBE's fault xeviox_ | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | remember none of those widgets actually *does* anything, it's just a demo | 02:55 |
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| ali1234 | the video doesn't show youtube on n900 | 02:55 |
| xeviox | ali1234: yeah but just moving those pictures is a problem for my windwos mobile phone .. | 02:55 |
| pupnik | Only time I led a flash project I made sure it ran fast on slow pcs. | 02:55 |
| xeviox | ^^ | 02:56 |
| ali1234 | xeviox: windows mobile sucks, it has no graphics acceleration of any kind | 02:56 |
| xeviox | yes, that's the reason I want to switch to maemo ;) | 02:56 |
| ali1234 | it's basically a throw back to vga times :) | 02:56 |
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| ali1234 | just look at gapi... "here's a pointer to the framebuffer... enjoy" | 02:56 |
| xeviox | but my phone has graphic accerleration, but htc doesn't ship it whit the needed driver s.. | 02:56 |
| xeviox | lol | 02:57 |
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| xeviox | my hope was that qt has a good performance on the phone, but I had no luck .. | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - above benchmarks ar emisleading. | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | That was normal video. I was comparing a 'HD' video | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | which normally gets 3-4fps, and 60 under mplayer | 02:58 |
| pupnik | anybody know why zoutube doesn't search? | 02:59 |
| pupnik | mytube did it | 02:59 |
| xeviox | for now I have to build the newest qt sources for compiling and then get my scratchbox target back to live .. | 03:00 |
| xeviox | but that's a task for the next days | 03:00 |
| xeviox | whish you all a merry christmas | 03:00 |
| xeviox | and a good time | 03:00 |
| xeviox | bye | 03:01 |
| pupnik | cu | 03:01 |
| xeviox | cya | 03:01 |
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| n900evil | anyone know if the picture-on-desk widget watches its pic file for changes? | 03:06 |
| cehteh | where are calendar items stored and how can i reset/delete all? | 03:09 |
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| pupnik | ali1234: that emu is really creepy, it behaves different to anything i've seen | 03:13 |
| pupnik | like the sound+pulseaudio hardly affecting speed atm | 03:13 |
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| ali1234 | pupnik: which emulator? | 03:30 |
| pupnik | psx | 03:30 |
| ali1234 | oh. well, pulse does affect it a bit, but it basically needs 95% of the cpu just for the core emulation | 03:30 |
| ali1234 | if not more | 03:31 |
| ali1234 | that probably isn't right, must be a problem somewhere | 03:31 |
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| ali1234 | i still suspect the cache thing | 03:31 |
| pupnik | hm | 03:31 |
| pupnik | is there a gles version of gpu? | 03:32 |
| ali1234 | i don't think so | 03:32 |
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| pupnik | well i'm not particularly upset if pandora has the edge on the bigger emus | 03:33 |
| Macer | do people actually have pandoras? | 03:34 |
| * Macer grins | 03:34 | |
| Macer | i thought that was vaporware | 03:34 |
| julianoliver | i'm working with scratchbox here and am having ongoing trouble reaching internet machines through the host. the value for 'nameserver' is the same as the host. is there any thing else to look at? | 03:35 |
| pupnik | julianoliver: in the vmware sdk? | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | Macer: mine arrived yesterday | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | Macer: doesn't quite work yet tho | 03:35 |
| julianoliver | pupnik: no. | 03:35 |
| pupnik | i never got it working in the target | 03:35 |
| julianoliver | pupnik: it's been fine in the past, but seems flaky. | 03:36 |
| pupnik | you can wget a site from the target? | 03:36 |
| julianoliver | right now ifconfig reports the same addr as the host. | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | Macer: I told em I didn't care if it shipped w/ working software :D | 03:36 |
| pupnik | luke-jr: you are kidding? | 03:36 |
| julianoliver | pupnik: no, not at this time. just doesn't resolve. | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: ? | 03:36 |
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| SpeedEvil2 | luke-jr: I did that with the neo1973 | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil2 | luke-jr: it's only mostly started to not suck after 3 years | 03:37 |
| paul[] | im on my new n900 and wifi died a few times today requiring a reboot to get it going again :( is this software or hardware problem? dmesg shows nothing suspicious looking | 03:37 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil2: yeah yeah, but did you sit down and write software for it from scratch? :p | 03:38 |
| pupnik | luke-jr: i didn't think assembly had started | 03:38 |
| julianoliver | paul[]: odd. i haven't had this problem.. | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil2 | luke-jr: no | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil2 | wifi is fine for me | 03:38 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil2: see, that's the key difference | 03:39 |
| paul[] | it's worrying me :-/ | 03:39 |
| luke-jr | I don't care about shipped software because I'm not going to use it anyway | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil2 | luke-jr: whate'r eyou planning | 03:39 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: it doesn't have the final final case | 03:39 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil2: KDE 4.3 | 03:39 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil2: I care not for games or such nonsense | 03:40 |
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| SpeedEvil2 | writing a clone from scratch | 03:40 |
| luke-jr | clone? | 03:40 |
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| SpeedEvil2 | of kde | 03:41 |
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| luke-jr | why clone? | 03:41 |
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| luke-jr | oh, I didn't mean not reusing existing components | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | but for Neo1973, you'd have had to write stuff to do the phone crap | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | by 'from scratch', I mean basically ignoring the shipped code | 03:42 |
| julianoliver | ok, found the problem. there are two resolv.conf's one in /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and another /etc/resolv.conf in the looped mount. | 03:43 |
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| felipec | all right, msn-pecan 0.1.0-rc2 released with N900 support... anyone wants to try? http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/downloads | 03:45 |
| pupnik | what does it do? | 03:46 |
| felipec | pupnik: allows you to use the MSN protocol aka windows live messenger | 03:48 |
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| pupnik | oh that will make some folks really happy! | 03:50 |
| Smily | heh, i opened up my router control panel and my n900 had a wireless lease time of 13:37 :) | 03:52 |
| felipec | pupnik: there's already telepathy-butterfly, and telepathy-haze+libpurple, but they have some disadvantages | 03:53 |
| felipec | they might have some trouble graduating to maemo-extras | 03:53 |
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| julianoliver | is there a way to aquire libgles (OpenGL ES) via apt on scratchbox? apt-cache returns it on my N900 but not on my ARMEL build guest. | 03:56 |
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| julianoliver | lcuk: i was just reading you here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31313&page=2 | 04:15 |
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| Firebird | julianoliver, http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=gles | 04:15 |
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| Firebird | in other words, if you installed nokia binaries, yes | 04:16 |
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| julianoliver | Firebird: thanks.. | 04:16 |
| julianoliver | Firebird: how would one go about adding the respository as listed "Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel" to an existing scratchbox installation? | 04:23 |
| * timeless looks for people running 51-1 or using English w/ their n900s | 04:24 | |
| julianoliver | Firebird: i've attempted to add the https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps/ ./ to my sources.list but i am forbidden. | 04:25 |
| julianoliver | tigert: i'm running English on my N900 | 04:25 |
| julianoliver | ^^ timeless | 04:25 |
| timeless | :) | 04:25 |
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| Firebird | julianoliver, there's a step in the guide that tells you how to install nokia binaries | 04:35 |
| Firebird | it involves agreeing to a license and getting a private repo link | 04:36 |
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| Firebird | julianoliver, look at step seven: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution | 04:38 |
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| jebba | xbindkeys, a forthcoming app to extras-devel, allows you to map a key (like the Britsh Pound Key / Euro) to trigger any script. Very handy :) | 04:39 |
| jebba | (there may be other ways to do this, but I dont know what they are) | 04:39 |
| julianoliver | Firebird: yes, i've gone through that process. all good now. thanks | 04:39 |
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| VDVsx | timeless, I match the first requirement(51.1 here), if you still need help :) | 04:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i do | 04:59 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 05:01 | |
| timeless_mbp | remind me to shoot someone? | 05:02 |
| timeless_mbp | the images app will show a message even if the window for images is not "open" | 05:02 |
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| zerojay | timeless_mbp: I would be on 51.1... but... :) | 05:14 |
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| zerojay | Kills me that each time I get to really sink my teeth into filing bugs, one thing or another ends up getting in the way. | 05:14 |
| zerojay | Dead N900 now, not having the updated Summit firmware last time. | 05:15 |
| timeless_mbp | :( | 05:15 |
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| VDVsx | zerojay, really dead ? | 05:17 |
| zerojay | VDVsx: Well, dead as in I can't charge via USB. | 05:17 |
| VDVsx | ah | 05:17 |
| julianoliver | i'm reading contradictary reports about GLUT and Maemo 5. there seems to be a package vacuum of libgl-dev, freeglut-dev and mesag-dev (all replaced by a missing package). | 05:17 |
| zerojay | VDVsx: Same problem Texrat had. | 05:17 |
| julianoliver | what provides glu.h these days, if at all? | 05:17 |
| VDVsx | zerojay, broken connector ? | 05:17 |
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| julianoliver | is it necessary to replace glut calls entirely with GLES2 equivalents? | 05:18 |
| woglinde | args apt-get install gdb dont works on n900 | 05:19 |
| zerojay | VDVsx: Yeah, except that in my case there was no violent drops or handling. The connection just steadily got worse without me realizing it. The N900 sometimes seemed to not realize it was plugged in... I thought it was a software issue, but it got worse until the port just was loose inside the N900 casing. | 05:19 |
| woglinde | okay good nite | 05:19 |
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| VDVsx | zerojay, ouch | 05:20 |
| pupnik | zerojay: ripped usb connector of board | 05:20 |
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| VDVsx | if I shake mine, I can hear a sound from the connector, seems loose :( | 05:21 |
| pupnik | julianoliver: most opengl apps will not run on opengles without heavy modification | 05:21 |
| zerojay | pupnik: Yeah... seems like the port holds onto the cable too tightly and it gets worse and worse over time. | 05:22 |
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| zerojay | VDVsx: Yeah, I heard that too about a week before mine failed. | 05:22 |
| zerojay | What really kills me about it is that I purposely was REALLY careful about inserting and removing the cable for this exact reason. | 05:22 |
| pupnik | same here VDVsx - but i tripped over the cable and sent device flying | 05:23 |
| zerojay | And I still have no response from Nokia since I e-mailed them about it during Barcelona. | 05:23 |
| julianoliver | pupnik: does one need to reimplement glut (and therefore glu first..)? | 05:23 |
| julianoliver | reimplementing glut itself wouldn't be too hard, but glu? eww.. | 05:23 |
| timeless_mbp | zerojay: this is through DDP? | 05:23 |
| VDVsx | zerojay, email them again after Jan 8 :D | 05:23 |
| pupnik | julianoliver: a typical opengl1.2 application needs to be rewritten | 05:23 |
| julianoliver | ugh | 05:24 |
| julianoliver | pupnik: thanks for the clarification. | 05:24 |
| pupnik | i am just summarizing the articles i've read on it. for accuracy, go elsewhere :) | 05:25 |
| julianoliver | will do ;) | 05:25 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 05:25 | |
| timeless_mbp | can someone enable extras-testing and go to games and select battlegeweled for me? | 05:26 |
| timeless_mbp | tap details | 05:26 |
| timeless_mbp | how many tabs do you get? | 05:26 |
| pupnik | i have extras-devel so i might get the wrong version? | 05:26 |
| zerojay | timeless_mbp: No, this was a Fremantle Stars device, pre-Summit giveaway. | 05:26 |
| zerojay | VDVsx: Getting that "you're gonna help us test 51.1!" e-mail today felt like salt in the wound. Heh. | 05:27 |
| VDVsx | zerojay, did you replied to that email ? "I can't bla bla | 05:29 |
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| zerojay | VDVsx: Yeah, I replied to give them a reminder that I haven't heard back from them about this situation at all yet. | 05:29 |
| VDVsx | good | 05:30 |
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| pupnik | whoah i missed this modified dpkg-buildpackage to replace maemo-optify... http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify/commit/b1d3169faac0710ef3a73ef42449a5361834a8ae | 06:05 |
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| pwnguin | hrm | 06:09 |
| pwnguin | you'd think the clock alarms would just be a calendar thing | 06:10 |
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| RXrenesis8 | GAN900 needs to get his mind right | 06:17 |
| GAN900 | Indeed | 06:17 |
| GAN900 | Mah proxy is dead | 06:17 |
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| pwnguin | is calendar-backend LGPL? | 06:50 |
| pwnguin | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture suggests it's "proprietary" | 06:50 |
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| villager | I haven't found any sources for it at least | 07:01 |
| villager | pretty sure it's proprietary | 07:02 |
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| villager | and I'm currently writing a syncevolution backend for it | 07:05 |
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| acidjazz | is there a maemo field test app yet | 07:14 |
| pupnik | what's that | 07:15 |
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| acidjazz | shows like all the network gsm and umts data | 07:16 |
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| pupnik | afaik a lot of that data is not available to the cpu | 07:17 |
| acidjazz | nokia has like a field test app for symbian | 07:18 |
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| acidjazz | had ot for a while | 07:18 |
| pupnik | cool. anyway the cell radio has a pretty limited interface | 07:19 |
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| pupnik | but i just found this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/cell-modem-ui/0.2-2/ | 07:20 |
| pupnik | THANK YOU Tuomo Tanskanen!!! | 07:20 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: what does it do? (before I install it and brick myself) | 07:21 |
| pupnik | i test | 07:21 |
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| pupnik | updating - and finishing breakfast - brb | 07:22 |
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| pupnik | it installs a .xml file into /etc/systemui/cell-modem-ui.xml | 07:32 |
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| pupnik | i don't see where to invoke it | 07:33 |
| RST38h | heh | 07:34 |
| pupnik | oh reboot needed | 07:35 |
| pupnik | i found the freakin 'dialin' bug | 07:35 |
| pupnik | the 'phone app' is set to call forwarding, and the number is not mine | 07:35 |
| pupnik | wowww | 07:36 |
| pupnik | it was my number with '33' inserted after the first 4 digits! | 07:36 |
| RST38h | hmmmmmm | 07:39 |
| Macer | yeah. i want to sex0r the female avatar | 07:40 |
| RST38h | what is holding you? | 07:42 |
| Macer | well the fact taht she is a fictional alien creature? | 07:43 |
| Macer | haha | 07:43 |
| RST38h | do it fictionally then! | 07:43 |
| Macer | well | 07:44 |
| Macer | the subs are in like russian or something | 07:44 |
| Macer | so i don't get to read the savage talk | 07:44 |
| RST38h | ah, a pirate! | 07:45 |
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| Vratha | unf! got CDT setup on eclipse. i'm going to have to start using that at work to make linux C/C++ development a lot easier than using emacs all day | 07:48 |
| pwnguin | i donno, its about the same | 07:50 |
| CyZooNiC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zoxx2hnIK0 | 07:50 |
| Vratha | no, eclipse makes it so much easier | 07:50 |
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| RST38h | Priceless: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=438950#post438950 | 07:52 |
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| Vratha | oh, sweet, CyZooNiC! | 07:53 |
| Vratha | gotta love the N900's hackability | 07:53 |
| CyZooNiC | too bad injection doesnt work | 07:53 |
| pwnguin | soemone announced they were moving a pentesting tool to n900 | 07:53 |
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| CyZooNiC | sweet | 07:53 |
| Vratha | a pentesting tool? | 07:54 |
| pwnguin | http://www.neopwn.com/ | 07:54 |
| CyZooNiC | metasploit runs ueber slow | 07:54 |
| Vratha | hmm, i don't see aircrack in my Extras repo | 07:56 |
| Macer | damnit | 07:56 |
| Macer | need to download subs for this crap :) | 07:56 |
| CyZooNiC | it's in extras-testing | 07:57 |
| Vratha | oh | 07:57 |
| CyZooNiC | or extras-devel can't remeber | 07:58 |
| Vratha | i have extras-testing | 07:58 |
| Vratha | must be devel | 07:58 |
| Vratha | will check there | 07:58 |
| CyZooNiC | its not optified | 07:58 |
| CyZooNiC | but it's also not very large | 07:58 |
| acidjazz | is there a maemo field test app yet | 07:58 |
| acidjazz | shows like all the network gsm and umts data | 07:59 |
| CyZooNiC | I havent seen anything like that yet | 07:59 |
| Vratha | CyZooNiC: yup, it was in extras-devel | 08:00 |
| Macer | ok. found them :) | 08:03 |
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| mfinkle | anybody know of a way to get the application name if you have the dbus service name? | 08:12 |
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| aspidites | good mornign | 08:14 |
| aspidites | morning* | 08:14 |
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| pwnguin | hmm. think it's possible to write a sharing plugin to gallery2? | 08:27 |
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| lucent | wonder if Nokia would release Ovi Store for N900 before year end | 08:51 |
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| sejo | lucent: that would surprise me | 09:15 |
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| wazd_n800 | mornin' everyone | 09:42 |
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| wazd_n800 | and hello again :) | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's a wazd | 10:09 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, wazzap shawty :D | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | reading through my mail and preparing myself mentally for a polish xmas where i won't understand what people are saying | 10:11 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, lulz :D | 10:11 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, just nod :D | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | at least i will have my n900 to keep me entertained | 10:11 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, yyou have your wife! Nerd! :D | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:14 |
| luke-jr | wazd_n800: in the meantime, Stskeeps is telling me to hack over Xmas instead of spend it w/ family... :p | 10:14 |
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| wazd_n800 | I guess non-russian christmas is tomorrow? | 10:14 |
| wazd_n800 | or today? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | today | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | well, for .dk | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | and poland | 10:15 |
| luke-jr | tomorrow | 10:15 |
| luke-jr | today is Christmas Eve | 10:15 |
| wazd_n800 | oh | 10:15 |
| wazd_n800 | ok, great, I have some time) | 10:15 |
| wazd_n800 | I'm oficially ofically free now btw) | 10:16 |
| wazd_n800 | got papers) | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | passport? woo :) | 10:16 |
| luke-jr | what's with the )s? | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: russian smilies | 10:17 |
| luke-jr | ... | 10:17 |
| wazd_n800 | My life became less miserable :) | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | they don't have eyes, you know, after ze radiation | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: so when are you coming to warsaw? ;p | 10:17 |
| Macer | avatar was good | 10:17 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, not passport yet, but army papers | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:17 |
| Macer | at least better than most movies that have came out in the last 10 years | 10:17 |
| wazd_n800 | Macer, imax? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: thought you got those already, so you can first apply for passport now? | 10:18 |
| Macer | naw. i just watched the bootleg :) | 10:18 |
| Macer | haha | 10:18 |
| wazd_n800 | Macer, I'm heading to the imax now) | 10:18 |
| Macer | you can'tget a passport while you're enlisted? | 10:18 |
| Macer | where do you live? communist russia? | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: close enough, modern russia | 10:18 |
| wazd_n800 | Macer, spend some cash and see it in 3d | 10:18 |
| Macer | wazd_n800: i might | 10:19 |
| Macer | it was worth watching again | 10:19 |
| luke-jr | modern Russia is still communist, no? | 10:19 |
| Macer | luke-jr: it's not?! | 10:19 |
| wazd_n800 | no)) | 10:19 |
| Macer | oh wait. that's right. they changed over to capitalist socialism like the US :) | 10:19 |
| Macer | i remember hearing something about that in the 90s | 10:20 |
| Macer | wazd_n800: just am confused. when i was in the USMC i could still get a passport so it can't be the US you are talking about | 10:20 |
| Macer | altough i could understand the freedom part :) it was a pretty long 4 years... had the time of my life though when i wasn't in iraq | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: there's forced conscription in .ru | 10:22 |
| Macer | wow. he's really in russia? i was just joking :) | 10:22 |
| Macer | the US should have that | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's like that in .dk too but i got discarded, which was good :P | 10:23 |
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| Macer | you got discarded? | 10:23 |
| Macer | HAHAHAH | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: it's a good thing, or i would have to be stuck in army for 6-9 months :) | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | and i could start my education immediately afterwards | 10:24 |
| Macer | 6-9 MONTHS?! | 10:24 |
| Macer | that's it?! | 10:24 |
| Macer | wow | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | for .dk | 10:24 |
| Macer | wow | 10:24 |
| Macer | not planning to actually wage war huh? :) | 10:25 |
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| * luke-jr would probably help the other side. | 10:25 | |
| Macer | dk saved all its jews during the holocaust | 10:25 |
| Macer | you have to give them that much | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | the future is in information wars instead | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:25 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: 6-9 months isn't worth it | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: we also pretty much bent over when the germans invaded | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | so | 10:25 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: i can tell | 10:26 |
| Macer | with your 6-9 months of military service hehe | 10:26 |
| luke-jr | Macer: why only their jews? | 10:26 |
| Macer | luke-jr: because dk citizens would have been allowed to live if they weren't jewish | 10:26 |
| Macer | lots of blue eyed blonde haired dkians | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 10:27 |
| Macer | just like the spanish :) | 10:27 |
| luke-jr | Macer: sounds unlikely that the rest of the dk were all spared | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: yeah, tell that to my grand-grandfather who went to concentration camp, he wasn't blonde :P | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's more blondes in sweden, tbh | 10:27 |
| luke-jr | Macer: and no Christians in dk at the time? I kinda doubt that. | 10:27 |
| Macer | no christians? | 10:27 |
| Macer | wtf are you talking about? | 10:28 |
| wazd_n800 | omg, i've made it | 10:28 |
| Macer | put the bottle down and read one word at a time | 10:28 |
| luke-jr | Macer: Christians were at risk for their lives just as much | 10:28 |
| wazd_n800 | bought out booked tickets in last second | 10:28 |
| Macer | luke-jr: i believe ti depended on how pure the germans considered the race of the occupied country | 10:28 |
| wazd_n800 | *right* before canceling | 10:28 |
| wazd_n800 | jeez | 10:28 |
| Macer | the germans were actually pretty civil to the french (with the exception of the french jews) | 10:29 |
| Macer | they HATED russians :) | 10:29 |
| luke-jr | Macer: Germans weren't persecuting solely on race | 10:29 |
| Macer | they believed russians to be a subclass of human | 10:29 |
| Macer | luke-jr: for the most part they did | 10:29 |
| Macer | statistically with the exception of deaths during battle.. the germans would eliminate what they considered lesser races as well as handicapped | 10:30 |
| wazd_n800 | oh, WWII ramblings) | 10:30 |
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| lardman | morning all | 10:31 |
| lardman | I wonder what it is that makes my N900 always connect now? | 10:31 |
| lardman | It certainly didn't do that in the past | 10:31 |
| Macer | isn't it supposed to always connect | 10:31 |
| lardman | well yeah, but I'm just strange and I only want it to connect when I ask it to | 10:32 |
| lardman | or at least to connect then disconnect | 10:32 |
| Macer | to what? | 10:32 |
| Macer | luke-jr: watch the gray zone | 10:33 |
| lardman | well try to connect every 30min say, then disconnect when idle | 10:33 |
| Macer | grey | 10:33 |
| Macer | however it is spelled :) | 10:33 |
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| lardman | with an 'e' is English | 10:34 |
| Macer | and the a? | 10:34 |
| lardman | American | 10:34 |
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| Macer | like favor and favour? | 10:34 |
| Macer | :) | 10:34 |
| Macer | color and colour | 10:34 |
| lardman | Aluminium is probably better | 10:34 |
| lardman | Aluminum as the Americans say | 10:35 |
| Macer | haha | 10:35 |
| Macer | i honestly didn't know that | 10:35 |
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| wazd_n801 | Russia looks just like in Red Alert 3 | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | i miss playing RA2 :/ | 10:37 |
| wazd_n801 | Crazy generals, sexy girls, ridiculous weaponery :D | 10:37 |
| wazd_n801 | no airborn bears but we're working on that :D | 10:38 |
| lardman | Tupolev Tu-95 or growling ones? | 10:38 |
| wazd_n801 | Tu are cariers and civil aircrafts | 10:39 |
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| wazd_n801 | Sus and Migs :) | 10:39 |
| lardman | well certainly a carrier of something ;) its NATO reporting name was "bear": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95 | 10:40 |
| Arkenoi | http://community.livejournal.com/ru_klukva_ru/380071.html?style=mine | 10:41 |
| wazd_n801 | We now have "Superjet" - 2002 year grade plane | 10:41 |
| wazd_n801 | Arkenoi, heya | 10:41 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: can I have deletion rights in the wiki please? or is it too tied to other things? | 10:45 |
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| user_ | Hello ! | 10:59 |
| user_ | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/python2.5-py2deb_0.5.3-1/ < someone understand what is the problem ? | 11:00 |
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| * lardman twiddles thumbs waiting for that page to load | 11:06 | |
| * lbt too | 11:06 | |
| lardman | probably a missing dep in the control file though, I'll guess without actually seeing the log | 11:07 |
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| user_ | lardman ... seems to be maemo-optify | 11:08 |
| user_ | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/python2.5-py2deb_0.5.3-1/ | 11:08 |
| lardman | hmm, looks like dpkg-checkbuilddeps fails silently to me | 11:08 |
| user_ | so they did it automatically without warning developpers | 11:08 |
| lardman | here's the file somewhere quicker: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m27ce35ee | 11:09 |
| user_ | my package is already optified so i didn't want this things | 11:09 |
| lardman | is that a dep in the control file? | 11:10 |
| lardman | no, seems not | 11:10 |
| user_ | nope | 11:11 |
| user_ | it s seems to be added automatically | 11:11 |
| lardman | does it build on your machine? | 11:11 |
| user_ | of course | 11:11 |
| lardman | just checking ;) | 11:12 |
| user_ | but everytime my machine accept problems without errors | 11:12 |
| user_ | and autobuilder fails on a minor warning :) | 11:13 |
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| kkito | mornig | 11:13 |
| lardman | I wonder why dh_install is commented out | 11:14 |
| sejo | someone able to install qt packages? | 11:15 |
| kkito | qt packages on freemantle? | 11:15 |
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| user_ | lardman ? because i commented it | 11:17 |
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| user_ | it s a py2deb packages ... it has always works ... but didn't now | 11:18 |
| user_ | without a very small modification | 11:18 |
| user_ | so doesn't seems to be that | 11:18 |
| user_ | does there is a way to force remove maemo-optify ? | 11:19 |
| lardman | hmm, with that commented it won't install anything | 11:20 |
| lardman | so it's probably working from its point of view as you've not asked it to do anything else | 11:20 |
| lardman | also, that package doesn't appear to be optified | 11:21 |
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| lardman | and tbh I've no clue why on Earth would anyone want it to be either, it's not very large | 11:21 |
| user_ | lardman it is as the python_2.5/site-packages is | 11:22 |
| lardman | fair enough | 11:22 |
| lardman | how did you perform optification on it then? | 11:23 |
| user_ | it s done by the pymaemo-optify | 11:23 |
| lardman | hmm, must have missed that, hang on | 11:23 |
| user_ | which is a depends of python packages | 11:23 |
| Bluewind | where is the blue nokia logo that's displayed when booting? | 11:24 |
| Bluewind | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/startup_nokia_logo.png seems to be something else | 11:24 |
| lardman | user_: fair enough, something automatic then and not in the uploaded files? | 11:24 |
| lardman | user_: e.g. the debian/dirs file still contains the path to usr/ | 11:25 |
| lardman | user_: anyway I don't know I'm afraid, but good luck! :) | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:27 |
| lardman | hi Jaffa | 11:27 |
| user_ | lardman ... hum normal ... symlinks | 11:27 |
| user_ | i don't understand why you re afraid | 11:28 |
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| lardman | user_: not afraid, just seems a bit pointless to me to have to optify everything | 11:28 |
| lardman | in that case just make the root fs bigger, etc. | 11:28 |
| user_ | yep optify is the worst idea on this n900 | 11:29 |
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| dmj726 | lardman: how do you compile mbarcode? | 11:32 |
| user_ | grrr it s a real pain to found something oln maemo.org | 11:32 |
| lardman | dmj726: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 11:33 |
| lardman | dmj726: make sure you have the Makefile.nxxx symlinked to Makefile | 11:33 |
| lardman | I did try to have a generic Makefile that works out which device it is, but didn't want to waste too much time on it | 11:33 |
| RST38h | moo all | 11:34 |
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| user_ | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-December/022798.html | 11:36 |
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| Jaffa | user_: Unfortunately, due to Nokia not realising it was going to be a problem until too late; optification (and now/soon, auto-optification by the autobuilder). Some propose the best option is to have swap on the NAND and the rootfs on the eMMC | 11:41 |
| user_ | Jaffa: should be the better option i think :) | 11:43 |
| user_ | oups my nick | 11:43 |
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| dmj726 | depends on if performance degrades too much in doing that. | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | user_: Trouble is it's bigger change than the time available allowed (changes in tooling, fabrication, upgrades etc.) | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | ...and the concern about eMMC being slower (as dmj726 says) | 11:43 |
| Khertan | yep a bit slower but noy that much | 11:44 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: The only concrete figure I've heard mentioned is 25%. But I've not seen any raw data, or actual reproducible benchmarks. | 11:45 |
| dmj726 | linux runs very slowly if the media it's installed on is slow. | 11:45 |
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| dmj726 | I learned this when I installed ubuntu 9.04 on a flash drive. It was unpleasant. | 11:45 |
| Khertan | anyway it s a bit too late now | 11:45 |
| dmj726 | yeah | 11:46 |
| Khertan | but auto optify isn t a good idea | 11:46 |
| Khertan | there is always a test pass before packages land to extras | 11:46 |
| Khertan | so it s useless | 11:47 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: It's not useless, if optification isn't a long term strategy; and people aren't doing it anyway. | 11:48 |
| Khertan | if people don t do it applications will not be available to extras | 11:49 |
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| Khertan | at least broken things isn t better i think | 11:49 |
| lardman | Jaffa: optification is quite a long way down the todo list for apps in extras-devel | 11:50 |
| lardman | and yet I receive emails asking me to optify this/that/the other, which makes me wonder why I bother | 11:51 |
| Khertan | hum add pymameo-optify still not help contrary to what they said | 11:51 |
| Khertan | grrr | 11:51 |
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| Khertan | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/python2.5-py2deb_0.5.3-2/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | optification should be a post-build step :P | 11:52 |
| Khertan | should be a manual on demand step | 11:52 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Indeed, which is why the autobuilder does it | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | they finally got it changed? | 11:52 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: Which will pymaemo-optify not help? | 11:52 |
| Jaffa | s/Which/Why/ | 11:53 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Khertan: Why will pymaemo-optify not help? | 11:53 |
| lardman | Jaffa: in which case all's well and dandy | 11:53 |
| Khertan | according to : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-December/022807.html | 11:53 |
| lardman | except for users demanding my time to do something for no apparent reason ;) | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | HAM said I was installing 320MB of apps on the restore I did last night :) | 11:53 |
| lardman | s/apparent/immediately useful | 11:53 |
| lardman | yeah, said I was installing 200MB | 11:53 |
| Khertan | if package depends on pymameo-optify auto builder should try to broke it | 11:54 |
| Khertan | if package depends on pymameo-optify auto builder should try to not broke it | 11:54 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: Correct. I don't know if that change to maemo-optify --auto has been made and rolled out. But that's why the system is under development :-p | 11:55 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: maemo-developers/m-vo/edb.bartosh/bugzilla | 11:56 |
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| Khertan | Bug #7309 | 12:05 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7309 Auto Builder // Maemo Optify // Unable it with pymaemo-optify depends | 12:05 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: Thanks; I've linked up the mailing list thread and changed the summary (hope you don't mind) | 12:09 |
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| dmj726 | lardman: I got it to build | 12:15 |
| dmj726 | how do I install it on the device? | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mediaplayer srt subtitles anybody got a working setup? | 12:18 |
| dmj726 | got it | 12:23 |
| sejo | kkito yes on extras-devel | 12:24 |
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| TomaszD | hello | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | heya tomasz | 12:29 |
| TomaszD | can anyone tell me what all this means? https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1844&action=view (text file, small) | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | enjoying xmas? :P | 12:29 |
| TomaszD | I'm not enjoying a severe bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7277 | 12:29 |
| povbot | Bug 7277: WLAN connection deauth, auth cycle very often, stalling all Internet activity. | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | try disable power management | 12:29 |
| TomaszD | ok, but didn't have to do that earlier... one moment | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | to pin it down | 12:30 |
| TomaszD | pl | 12:30 |
| TomaszD | ok | 12:30 |
| TomaszD | done, testing... | 12:30 |
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| TomaszD | got through apt-get update first time, good sign | 12:32 |
| TomaszD | running stream... | 12:32 |
| TomaszD | no issues again | 12:33 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps: thanks for the workaround, will report back | 12:33 |
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| Stskeeps | please look into if it's a DNS issue | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | my asus wl-500gp corrupts my DNS packages | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | packets | 12:34 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps: there you go http://code.google.com/p/wl500g/downloads/list | 12:34 |
| TomaszD | running the most recent build atm | 12:35 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, might be worth it | 12:35 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps: fantastic firmware, additional modules | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | you should note you run a custom firmware fwiw | 12:35 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps: this custom firmware does not affect any other device here, and there is quite a few of them | 12:35 |
| TomaszD | I would know first hand if anything was wrong | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: well, laptops aren't usually touched by PSM issues | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | n8x0s however.. | 12:36 |
| dneary | Hi | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:36 |
| TomaszD | uh | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm. So any pointer for Zyxel P660? reboot after max 10min of WPA2 | 12:36 |
| dneary | I can't find the source code for maemopad online anywhere - anyone know where they are? | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 | 12:36 |
| dneary | http://? | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/maemopad/ | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas no new FW for that shitty router | 12:37 |
| dneary | I'm looking for the source code - either svn or git or whatever | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: don't think maemopad is developed openly | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | the repository one is the closest you get to it | 12:37 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7280 for reasons | 12:37 |
| povbot | Bug 7280: example source code not available in "Writing a new maemo application" | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 12:38 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, It is - it's in free, and source code from it is included as code samples in developer docs | 12:38 |
| dneary | It's just the URL supplied requires authorisation | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | prod the sdk guys about it | 12:38 |
| dneary | And AFAIK, we're moving away from svn | 12:38 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps: how can I check DNS corruption? | 12:38 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps: in layman's terms plz ;) | 12:39 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Any idea who is the best person? | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: not garage SVN, just stage SVN | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: see who's admin for 'sdktesting' project on garage | 12:39 |
| dneary | TomaszD, You're looking for what website? we can compare IP addresses | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: 'host' did it for me | 12:39 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, URL? I'm not sure how to do that | 12:39 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps: on a Win7 machine? :) | 12:41 |
| TomaszD | dneary: not looking for a specific website, no | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: ask X-Fade i guess, it is marked as a nokia project (https://garage.maemo.org/projects/sdktesting) | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | so i can't see either | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: you can see it on the device it's happening on | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Marcell and Soumya. | 12:42 |
| rdorsch | Is there a OSM2GO on freemantle user online? | 12:42 |
| rdorsch | I have issues with creating a new project when selecting the area from a map | 12:42 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Me too - on the outside looking in | 12:43 |
| lardman|home | dmj726: did you get that response of mine? dpkg -i mbarcode_blah.deb? | 12:44 |
| lardman|home | am off now, have a merry christmas all, see you later | 12:44 |
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| dmj726 | yeah i figued it out | 12:45 |
| dmj726 | merry christmas lardman | 12:45 |
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| hiatus | Does maemo use gnu utilities? | 12:58 |
| Jaffa | hiatus: Mostly Busybox | 12:58 |
| Jaffa | s/box/Box/ | 12:58 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: hiatus: Mostly BusyBox | 12:59 |
| hiatus | Hmm, so you can't use gstreamer and such with it | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | sure you can | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | gstreamer is part of the os | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | it just doesn't have coreutils and other typical stuff, but busybox covers a lot of it | 13:02 |
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| Jaffa | hiatus: Depends what level you want to work at. sh is BusyBox's ash; but bash is installable. gconftool-2 doesn't have a busybox version ;) | 13:04 |
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| * Arkenoi wonders why there is no bash and generic gnu utils as there is plenty of space for it anyways | 13:06 | |
| Stskeeps | Arkenoi: one good reason is gplv3.. | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | well, attitude | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | Arkenoi: It is not only space, it is also RAM usage. | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | And startup time etc etc. | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | A lot of things need to be taken into account there. | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: we kinda debunked that a bit :P the real reason is coreutils and such being gplv3 | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | and busybox is gplv2 | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | and legacy of course | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well, I think it is more being scared to change. | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | It works, why change ;) | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | that too | 13:12 |
| hiatus | Hmm, so would the n900 be able to support video more like a legitiment distro does? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | hiatus: we have gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad like other people | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | Changing to bash is quite disruptive probably. | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | it'd be dash instead | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Although v3 probably gives some lawyers the creeps. | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | hiatus: so it's the full gstreamer framework | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah.. at summit they stated nokia'll stay with gplv2 as policy for now | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | hiatus: gstreamer is more powerfull than on my desktop. | 13:14 |
| hiatus | That's pretty neat | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | hiatus: as we have hardware acceleration for some formats too ;) | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well, not only nokia. It seems most large companies working with linux do. | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | i don't blame them | 13:15 |
| hiatus | Eben moglen said no one loved gpl v2 as much as they did until he finished gpl v3 | 13:15 |
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| hiatus | Lawyers will only calm down about v3 until rms and moglen write gpl v4 | 13:16 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Dash is probably a better candidate. | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | hiatus: I think that v3 is a step to far for most companies ;) | 13:18 |
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| hiatus | Its not all that restrictive. Companies just havnt realized drm isn't actually useful yet | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | also nokia wants to do non-evil drm | 13:22 |
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| hiatus | At least not to prevent piracy. It makes piracy look a lot more attractive | 13:22 |
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| hiatus | Gpl v3 doesn't prevent non-drm | 13:23 |
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| X-Fade | drm has it's place, as long as the terms are clear to the user. | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | Don't tell people they own music for ever and then close the license server after a year. | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | That is just evil. | 13:24 |
| hiatus | Indeed | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, ran into that when trying to move from a windows reinstall to the other.. the moving page was 404 | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | If I buy a track for a few cents and I know it will play only x amount of time, I'm fine with that. | 13:25 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: money out of the window | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | (i did actually like to buy as it was tracks normally difficult to get) | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah, that is one of the problems with drm. Do you trust the licensing party to stay in business ;) | 13:26 |
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| X-Fade | The comes with music service for instance is listen to as much music as you want, for a certain amount of money. I don't mind the drm there. | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | It is just like listening to a stream. | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | But when I buy a song for >= 1 eur, I better really own it ;) | 13:28 |
| hiatus | Its really more bother then what its worth. The people paying for the movie are doing it to avoid the bother of pirating. I buy some of my music because I don't care screwing around with usenet and torrents. | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind a EU hulu.com | 13:28 |
| * lbt is mailing people who do support via bugzilla <grin> | 13:29 | |
| hiatus | Drm makes me stealing it more worth my while because it adds difficulty in my using the product I paid for | 13:29 |
| * lbt is also looking for Ove to offer him a large glass of something good | 13:29 | |
| Stskeeps | hiatus: recently i figured out how much the warnings in beginnings of DVDs are troubling.. it was on a children's DVD and the video scared the living hell out of the child | 13:29 |
| lbt | for the syncevolution porting work :) | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | and it was impossible to skip it | 13:29 |
| X-Fade | hiatus: If drm makes your life difficult, then it is used wrong. And then you should have every right to kill it ;) | 13:29 |
| Veggen | drm does make it difficult. | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: As said, for streaming protection, I don't care. | 13:30 |
| Veggen | ...and it makes the pirated products more worth/better than the real product. | 13:30 |
| hiatus | Well, I don't use it. | 13:30 |
| Veggen | X-Fade: agreed. streaming is "a performance" you pay for. | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: As long as it is not something that is meant to be permanent. | 13:31 |
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| lbt | MythTV is good for this kind of thing (DVD watching) | 13:31 |
| Veggen | but DRM on iTunes/music stores/DVDs etc. are wrong. | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: Same for subscriptions or x times play stuff. | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: yes, that drm is a pain. | 13:31 |
| hiatus | You can pirate streams as well. Its not hard | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | hiatus: Sure, but I wouldn't care. | 13:32 |
| Veggen | hiatus: oh, we know :) | 13:32 |
| Veggen | but well. I'm not a big copyright-infringer anyway. (I refuse to call it thief or pirate, because it has nothing to do with theft or piracy at all) | 13:33 |
| * lbt looks at his 4Tb of time-shifted content on his PVR... some of it from 2005/6 iirc.... | 13:33 | |
| hiatus | Well, when they catch on the drm doesn't really prevent anything. I think interest in using it will die | 13:34 |
| lbt | it's dying in music but coming up in film | 13:35 |
| Veggen | lbt: mmm, it'll die there too. in couple of years. | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hdtv sat private stations | 13:35 |
| lbt | interesting that the N900+1 is likely to be the kind of device that makes it technically viable... | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | real brainfuck | 13:36 |
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| lbt | according to new scientist (and personal experience) HD isn't a big deal in enjoying content | 13:36 |
| lbt | image size is | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ack | 13:37 |
| lbt | means the N900 sucks unless I play '9' via my projector ;) | 13:37 |
| lbt | but seriously though | 13:37 |
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| lbt | I play SD content on a projected screen and it is brilliant... | 13:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 plugs tv-cable to N900 | 13:38 | |
| lbt | even at ~3m diagonal | 13:38 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer51: it's worth it :) BounceEvolution on a projector makes you ill though | 13:38 |
| bleader | I didn't try to play around with settings, but colors were really fucked up when I tried the cable | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Well, I'm spoiled and think that SD content sucks. | 13:39 |
| lbt | X-Fade: it does compared side-by-side with HD | 13:40 |
| lbt | but projected SD vs smallscreen HD ..... | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | lbt: It does on a HD tv too ;) | 13:40 |
| lbt | by smallscreen I mean a 40" plasma | 13:40 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Everything that gets drawn on more pixels than the source image is, is lame ;) | 13:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm just this morning watched "La Jetee" on 900 and found the volume slyder of mediaplayer was delayed operation taking effect only when I press pause | 13:41 |
| lbt | I agree that it looks technically worse... | 13:41 |
| lbt | but the point is that the research showed interesting effects | 13:41 |
| lbt | after the initial 'wow' | 13:41 |
| lbt | the actual post-watching measurement of "how much did you enjoy" | 13:42 |
| lbt | was different... | 13:42 |
| lbt | and HD/SD was not as big a factor as you'd think | 13:42 |
| lbt | I am (was) a hi-fi nut .... | 13:42 |
| lbt | so I know where you are coming from :) | 13:42 |
| * Arkenoi thinks La Jetee is more suitable for a projector and a dark room, not a movie to watch on the go | 13:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lbt: same here :-) | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | Well, SD is bad, but SD on low bandwidth digital streams with mpeg artifacts is even worse ;) | 13:43 |
| lbt | oh, yeah, that sucks | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: it was just a test | 13:44 |
| lbt | and can really get on your nerves when watching | 13:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: I failed with subtitles as well. So it wasn't that much fun anyway | 13:44 |
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| lbt | but that's not SD... that's like crappy mp3s at 64k | 13:44 |
| lbt | vs mp3 at 320 | 13:45 |
| lbt | (although in the car with the roof down it's no big deal!!) | 13:45 |
| Arkenoi | btw anyone tried pocket projectors? like 3m's 120? They have resolution no better than 640x480, does it scale ok? | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | lol | 13:45 |
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| Arkenoi | i am going to take one for a test | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | Arkenoi: I think those are really in the 'gadget' state still. | 13:46 |
| pekuja | merry christmas everybody | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | Arkenoi: The idea is cool, but well.. | 13:46 |
| lbt | wow.... what TZ are you in pekuja ? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: .dk has xmas today too :P | 13:46 |
| pekuja | lbt: GMT+2 | 13:46 |
| pekuja | .fi | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: on ct.de you should find a good test of miniprojectors | 13:47 |
| lbt | ah.... the UK is moving xmas to the 26th so people can get their cars home :D | 13:47 |
| lbt | they are all stuck in ditches today | 13:47 |
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| pekuja | I just noticed that the GPS on my N900 seems to be consistently locating me to the north and a bit east to where I am | 13:47 |
| pekuja | is there a way to calibrate it or something? | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (xmas) like defcon2 for me | 13:48 |
| lbt | go outside and move north and a bit east | 13:48 |
| ifreq | pekuja: sure its GPS not triangular calculation of the GMS towers? | 13:48 |
| ifreq | GSM* | 13:48 |
| ifreq | err cell-towers | 13:49 |
| ifreq | or what are they called | 13:49 |
| hiatus | Eh, I actually got the droid. Gps is nice on it | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pekuja: you can't calibrate GPS | 13:49 |
| pekuja | ifreq: I'm not sure | 13:50 |
| pekuja | ifreq: could be gsm | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | you can put hello kitty theme on your n900 and it will attract gps signals better | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:50 |
| pekuja | DocScrutinizer51: ok. too bad | 13:50 |
| pekuja | haha | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ifreq: they are valled Base Transmitter Stations | 13:50 |
| ifreq | DocScrutinizer51: yeah just knew the fin words for it :P | 13:50 |
| ifreq | not the eng tech terms | 13:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ifreq: I don't thinl maemo location service does triangulation. It's impossible without support from carrier | 13:52 |
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| lbt | it seems to have a lookup for coords of base stations | 13:52 |
| ifreq | i think it try to reach 2-3 nearest bases and calculates from those | 13:53 |
| lbt | I wonder if it does anything triangular using those? | 13:53 |
| ifreq | well atleat iphone doess | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lbt: might help for a very rough first guess of your location. | 13:53 |
| ifreq | i realy doubht the tech really differs | 13:53 |
| lbt | yeah - that was part of the whole AGPS bugthread iirc | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lbt: but triangulation is technically impossible | 13:53 |
| ifreq | thats why the location may not be exact as mentioened earlier | 13:53 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer51: does the device not know about multiple local transmitters? | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it does. but it doesnt know distance to those. Also doesnt know even if they are next ones | 13:55 |
| lbt | and can it not tell the signal strenth of each? | 13:55 |
| lbt | and knowing their gps co-ords it could make assumptions | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't help | 13:55 |
| lbt | (very coarse) | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah verrry coarse | 13:55 |
| ifreq | you sure it do not know the distance to one base station? | 13:56 |
| lbt | no | 13:56 |
| lbt | it can't know that | 13:56 |
| ifreq | hmm interesting | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it knows Time Advance to the one BTS its associated to | 13:56 |
| lbt | but it could use inter-tower location to assume it is in the centre of the triangle | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | TA is in steps of 550m iirc | 13:56 |
| lbt | and then adjust the legs based on strength | 13:57 |
| lbt | Oh, | 13:57 |
| lbt | so it could use TA to get one distance? | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lbt: signal strength is mere random basically | 13:57 |
| lbt | sure... | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lbt: yep. you know distance to 'your' BTS | 13:57 |
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| lbt | but it should locate you either between towers | 13:58 |
| * Stskeeps dumps a book about location based services etc in lbt's lap | 13:58 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:58 |
| lbt | pdf? | 13:58 |
| ifreq | lsb ah yeah | 13:58 |
| ifreq | i always assumed it gets 2-3 distance from single bts and calculates average between all 2-3 | 13:59 |
| lbt | given what DocScrutinizer51 said and the ability to switch BTS you should be able to. Depends on HW and how long that kind of thing takes | 14:00 |
| lbt | OTOH there's a GPS builtin | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lbt: I've done that ;-D | 14:00 |
| hiatus | Better start working, gas station is pretty busy for christmas eve | 14:00 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer51: see... this is why the stack needs opening up a bit | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with a Nokia 6210 though | 14:01 |
| lbt | I wonder if ofono will go that deep? | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | using net monitor service mode | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lbt: surely not | 14:01 |
| lbt | yeah, I doubt it too | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lbt: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html | 14:03 |
| lbt | grin | 14:03 |
| lbt | and geometry and more datapoints will increase the accuracy of possible intersects | 14:04 |
| lbt | and I guess TA is not influenced by geography much (other than maybe reflection) | 14:05 |
| lbt | anyhow.... I really must get back to ove's syncevolution stuff :D | 14:05 |
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| * ShadowJK turns on JIT in microb | 14:07 | |
| red | is there any other im-app that integrates into contacts like butterfly (for msn)? | 14:07 |
| red | pidgin ws quite badly done | 14:07 |
| ShadowJK | i dont think so | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | <yx | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | %6/rrt errrr sorry | 14:10 |
| RST38h | jit is not on by default? | 14:12 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess it's questionable whether you can go that deep at all anymore :) | 14:13 |
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| Arkenoi | Is there a script to find already installed poorly optified packages? I am trying to figure out what is eating / space.. | 14:19 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: du -R /usr/share | sort -rn ? | 14:20 |
| Khertan | Arkemoi look on my website : http://khertan.net | 14:21 |
| sp3000 | ShadowJK: iirc it wasn't quite reliable yet in that version | 14:21 |
| Khertan | Arkenoi: http://khertan.net/2009/10/not-enought-space-on-device/ | 14:22 |
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| Khertan | bye | 14:22 |
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| sp3000 | ShadowJK: that is, jit in that version may give you some crashes and hangs doing some things on e.g. flickr :) | 14:28 |
| ShadowJK | sp3000: in my case it just made slow script warning pop up on the page I was getting tired waiting for :) | 14:29 |
| Arkenoi | is it safe to cp -Rp /usr/share /home/user/MyDocs; ln -sf /home/user/MyDocs/share /usr/share ? | 14:29 |
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| ShadowJK | (and after stopping the script it worked fine) | 14:29 |
| ShadowJK | Arkenoi: afaiui no | 14:29 |
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| ShadowJK | well, maybe share was safe | 14:30 |
| ShadowJK | better have backups anyway | 14:30 |
| Arkenoi | ShadowJK, what may break this way? | 14:30 |
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| ShadowJK | well test it and you'll find out | 14:31 |
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| ShadowJK | Personally I think I'd modify init scripts to mount /home earlier, to avoid problems | 14:32 |
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| ShadowJK | but I'm too lazy so in reality im going to do nothing ;) | 14:32 |
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| Arkenoi | ShadowJK, there is a danger modified scripts will be overwritten with software update, isn't it? | 14:36 |
| RST38h | Developers developers developer! | 14:36 |
| * RST38h throws a chair | 14:36 | |
| * zerojay gets hit | 14:36 | |
| ShadowJK | yes | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: happy holidays | 14:36 |
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| zerojay | Stskeeps: Same to you. | 14:37 |
| zerojay | It'll be much happier when I'm finally done with this terrible flu. | 14:38 |
| * Stskeeps will be spending it with parents in law in a language he doesn't understand | 14:38 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure if i would enjoy flu more | 14:38 |
| zerojay | Hah | 14:39 |
| RST38h | Poor Stskeeps | 14:39 |
| RST38h | Learn Polish already. | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | and more specifically, without good danish xmas food | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:39 |
| zerojay | I've been off work for almost a week now... since last Friday. Would be nice to get some sleep sometime soon too. | 14:40 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: What language do they speak? | 14:40 |
| RST38h | Well, Poles have got good food, so I doubt it is a problem | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: polish and a bit of english | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | and as with any place, if there's a majority of non-english speaking people, non-english will be used ;) | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, it could be worse. but i will be missing pork roast. | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Just ask 'em for it =) | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: did i mention my mother in law is a bit of a healthy agenda person? :) | 14:41 |
| * RST38h looks around, searching for people who would test/vote for ColEm | 14:42 | |
| thresh | i'll spend the NY with jews | 14:42 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Good, you will be destroying their supply of pork so that they do not feel tempted to get fat on it! | 14:42 |
| thresh | and ~25 russians :/ | 14:42 |
| * RST38h will be spending the NY with 15mil russians. | 14:43 | |
| RST38h | and some jews =) | 14:43 |
| thresh | i'll leave Moscow at 30 dec :) | 14:43 |
| RST38h | thresh: Direct flight I hope? | 14:43 |
| thresh | this time, yes | 14:43 |
| RST38h | gooood | 14:44 |
| thresh | yeah, i had some problems flying out of Paris this Sunday | 14:44 |
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| * RST38h wonders if he should once again approach XFade about deleting all votes from Google Crawler | 14:44 | |
| RST38h | heya VDVsx | 14:44 |
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| RST38h | thresh: Well, at least it is not being stuck in Atlanta for a night | 14:45 |
| RST38h | In what looked like a ghetto, too | 14:45 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, yeah | 14:46 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, the votes come from maemo select afaik | 14:46 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Some are | 14:46 |
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| VDVsx | I'm getting a lot of them | 14:46 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: But a lot of them come from Google Crawler indexing Maemo Select | 14:46 |
| VDVsx | probably | 14:47 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: I am not getting them any more, but some of my products have got ridiculous numbers of votes | 14:47 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Averaging to 3 of course (crawler went form 1 to 5 :)) | 14:47 |
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| Sala | hey | 14:57 |
| Roaziel | Hey guys. How do I made a propper backup of my N900, and what exactly can I back up? | 14:58 |
| Roaziel | Coz I wanna flash it but I dont wanna loose my contact and stuff | 14:59 |
| felipec | Roaziel: use the backup application and backup everything | 15:00 |
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| Sala | is there anyway to get nokia hackbox? | 15:02 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: Oh, I know why I am no longer getting Google Crawler hits | 15:05 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Hmm aren't those links nofollow? | 15:06 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I have no idea. All I know is that Crawler somehow followed them and "voted". Many, many times | 15:06 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: It probably continues "voting". The reason why I am no longer getting these hits is because all my apps were removed from Maemo Selected Applications | 15:07 |
| melmoth | grumble | 15:07 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Probably after that conflict with Nintendo. | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Voting is done through javascript there. | 15:07 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: On Maemo Select, it is done through some server side script which you invoke with a URL | 15:08 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: I'm looking at the maemo select source and that is a javascript. | 15:08 |
| RST38h | Ok, a moment | 15:09 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: onclick="javascript:return rateProduct('adblock-plus-1.0', 1); | 15:09 |
| RST38h | Bug #6192 | 15:10 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6192 Bots are voting in Maemo Select? | 15:10 |
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| RST38h | And the voting URL is http://maemo.nokia.com/voteapp.php?rate=5&id=122 | 15:11 |
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| Jaffa | Well, it'll vote now that that link is in the IRC logs! | 15:16 |
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| RST38h | Yes yessss ;) | 15:16 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Ratings have ip recorded, so those can be removed. | 15:17 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Please, do | 15:17 |
| RST38h | If no IP is recorded, you can probably delete by date | 15:17 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: BTW, is the selection of apps at Maemo Select static or does it rotate every n days? | 15:17 |
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| sp3000 | ShadowJK: yeah page js hanginess would be one such thing :) | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: The data is fetched automatically, but a moderator selects them manually from a queue. IIRC. | 15:18 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Just wondering if the removal of all my apps was due to rotation or a political decision of some kind =) | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I don't know, we only provide an api for them. | 15:20 |
| ShadowJK | sp3000: well it was better to hang and kill the pointless js than to be constantly slow ;) | 15:20 |
| sp3000 | I suspect normal users might disagree | 15:21 |
| * sp3000 dunno if the speed improvement is as noticeable | 15:21 | |
| sp3000 | ehm | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 15:22 |
| sp3000 | someone's voting system votes on GET? | 15:22 |
| sp3000 | http fail | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | yeah 8 didnt notice any difference in speed, it seemed slower with jit, but it was slow enough that it asked if i wanted to terminate the script, and without the script the site became much faster :) | 15:23 |
| sp3000 | heh | 15:23 |
| sp3000 | afaiui you're not supposed to need to block bots if you, you know, do things correctly | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: block the script url then ;) | 15:24 |
| sp3000 | (well, except malicious bots) | 15:24 |
| ShadowJK | I wish ham could be taught to tell me how much space is consumed in / and /opt... | 15:24 |
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| ShadowJK | like, just noticed this 50 megabyte thing in extras-testing... if it's not optified I'm in for a reflash.. | 15:25 |
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| * sp3000 clicks on a voteapp link | 15:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: HAM is a dumbass anyway. Lacks a lot of basic features | 15:26 |
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| siriusnova | So | 15:28 |
| siriusnova | whats new news | 15:28 |
| siriusnova | on the Maemo N900 front :D | 15:28 |
| zerojay | DocScrutinizer: Like what? | 15:28 |
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| sp3000 | so whic app is 122 and how do I find out if I voted for it? | 15:28 |
| TomaszD | can anyone confirm https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7312 | 15:29 |
| povbot | Bug 7312: E-mail setup wizard Region always defaults to Finland | 15:29 |
| zerojay | TomaszD: I remember it didn't default to Finland in earlier firmware revisions.. weird. | 15:31 |
| TomaszD | zerojay: you have PR1.1 as well and can reproduce this? | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Yes, It says Finland and Other for me by default. | 15:32 |
| ifreq | finland ftw | 15:32 |
| TomaszD | please comment then :) I found that bug a bit odd tbh | 15:32 |
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| zerojay | TomaszD: I have PR1.1, but I can't flash it to my N900 since it's dead. :) | 15:33 |
| TomaszD | zerojay: murderer! | 15:34 |
| zerojay | Damn preproduction devices and their weak USB ports. | 15:34 |
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| TomaszD | doesn't anyone else have horrible power management issues wrt WLAN with PR1.1? I had to disable PWM altogether | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: I confirmed bug 7312 for you. | 15:35 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7312 E-mail setup wizard Region always defaults to Finland | 15:35 |
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| TomaszD | X-Fade: thx | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: That problem I can't confirm. PR1.1 works with my linksys nicely. | 15:36 |
| TomaszD | I love how now internet radio actually works now | 15:36 |
| TomaszD | one "now" too many | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: And I have been testing that for quite a while ;) | 15:36 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade: internal builds access? ;P | 15:36 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: still getting emails from pyshop-commits mailing list :P | 15:37 |
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| rm_you | help? :P | 15:37 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: still didn't receive an email ;) | 15:37 |
| Roaziel | If I flash my N900 will it keep the applications I installed from the repositories? | 15:37 |
| rm_you | lol i keep forgetting until i see you in IRC, lol | 15:37 |
| rm_you | gah too many lols | 15:37 |
| * rm_you is tired | 15:37 | |
| SpeedEvil | TomaszD: wfm | 15:38 |
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| Stskeeps | lo rm_you | 15:38 |
| rm_you | sup Stskeeps | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | merry christmas | 15:38 |
| rm_you | merry xmas to you too :P | 15:39 |
| TomaszD | god damn, WL500W is quite rare, I can't expect anyone else to have the same setup and test | 15:39 |
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| Stskeeps | TomaszD: at one point i've had PSM issues disappear at wifi reboot | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | like, theap | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | ap | 15:39 |
| rm_you | just graduated last week :P so hopefully can show up here more often once i stop traveling again :P | 15:39 |
| thresh | i have wl500w | 15:39 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: thanks | 15:39 |
| TomaszD | thresh: do you use custom firmware? | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK | roaziel: no | 15:40 |
| thresh | i'm using that oleg something i think | 15:40 |
| thresh | dd-wrt | 15:40 |
| thresh | Release: 10/10/09 (SVN revision: 13064) | 15:40 |
| Roaziel | Oh. But what is the "Application List" option in the backup application? | 15:40 |
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| X-Fade | Roaziel: That will reinstall all your apps after flash/restore. | 15:41 |
| TomaszD | thresh: ah, so completely different firmware. I'm using this http://code.google.com/p/wl500g/ | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | it'll reinstall the apps you had | 15:41 |
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| ShadowJK | by redownloading | 15:41 |
| rm_you | woot, no more mailing list spam from garage! :P | 15:41 |
| Roaziel | Are ou alking about the defaul appls that came with the device or the ones I installed? | 15:41 |
| TomaszD | alright, I'm gonna reboot the AP | 15:41 |
| TomaszD | brb | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | Roaziel: you installed. | 15:41 |
| thresh | TomaszD: seems so. | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | the ones you installed | 15:41 |
| rm_you | i can't believe it's been over a year now i think and i never bothered really dealing with that :P | 15:41 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: "works with my linksys nicely"... does that mean it works with powersaving on max or medium? | 15:42 |
| Roaziel | Oh, so if I dont want to keep the apps I installd I better uncheck that option | 15:42 |
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| Roaziel | Thanks guys | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: I don't know what is default in tomatoe. | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | you can untick it when you restore the backup too, I think | 15:42 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade: in device settings for PSM | 15:42 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: I'm talking about the setting on the N900, not your linksys. | 15:42 |
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| X-Fade | zerojay: On (Maximum) | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | It can idle for days. | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | my wifi is always on, and switches to 3G when I'm going out of wifi range. | 15:47 |
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| PaulFertser | zerojay: is your device really broken or just the usb connector a bit desoldered? | 15:49 |
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| zerojay | X-Fade: I haven't been able to ever use powersaving max on ANY of my routers at all... older tablets can just fine. | 15:53 |
| zerojay | PaulFertser: The USB connector is more than just a little bit desoldered. It's completely lost inside my N900, but again, it was a prototype so.... | 15:54 |
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| Zombie3 | zerojay: that was fixed in production models, I'm told | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda hope so :P | 15:55 |
| zerojay | Zombie3: You mean "we're told". :) | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cool. browserd cpu-hogged device to a grinding halt. Well almost | 15:59 |
| PaulFertser | zerojay: are the pcb pads damaged? I mean is is it really hard to get it working back? | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: yeah.. i am really worried about browser behaviour at times | 16:00 |
| zerojay | PaulFertser: I'm supposed to know that by using my x-ray vision, I guess? | 16:00 |
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| PaulFertser | zerojay: i assumed you disassembled the device to see for yourself with your regular human vision. :) | 16:01 |
| zerojay | PaulFertser: It's a preproduction Nokia prototype. It's not mine to rip open like that. | 16:01 |
| TomaszD | hmm, I rebooted my router, set PWM to Max and now it works fine | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: told you :P | 16:02 |
| TomaszD | lawdy lawdy, the browser is even faster than before | 16:02 |
| Zombie3 | Zombie3: no, I was personally told ;-) | 16:02 |
| fdv | on n900, the file open dialogs won't go above /home/user/MyDocs. How can I rectify this? | 16:02 |
| Zombie3 | I mean zerojay | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: no public announcements about behaviour ;p | 16:02 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps: we're all family here :P | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: yeah, but logged ;) | 16:03 |
| TomaszD | a logged family. | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fdv: start a battle here about user evaluation ;-) | 16:03 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 16:03 | |
| Stskeeps | fdv: hack libhildonfm | 16:03 |
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| fdv | DocScrutinizer51: anytime ;-) | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fdv: bind-mount / to MyDocs | 16:05 |
| fdv | Stskeeps: sounds a bit cumbersome :) | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fdv: at least that's been one of the ideas | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | fdv: it's a user device, not a l33t unix hacker. if you want something as l33t unix hacker, HACK IT | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not tested yet | 16:05 |
| fdv | DocScrutinizer51: thanks, I'll look into it | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | fdv: to MyDocs/my-root of course ;-P | 16:06 |
| fdv | Stskeeps: well, why do you want a debian based system in the first place? if 8 just want to be held, I can get an iphone ;-) | 16:07 |
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| Stskeeps | fdv: because i can dig into things in terminal if i so want :P | 16:07 |
| fdv | DocScrutinizer51: :) | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | but requiring normal users to be exposed to everything is silly :P | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fdv: "user tests showed no user ever wants to know about fs tree deails. User wants access to MyDocs foo only" | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | or the externals d | 16:09 |
| fdv | Stskeeps: of course, but e.g. keeping the file open dialog in pygtkeditor limited to a vfat file system set to noexec seems pretty pointless :) | 16:09 |
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| fdv | DocScrutinizer51: ah, argument by besserwisserism ;-) | 16:10 |
| fdv | Stskeeps: there *are* better ways :) | 16:10 |
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| n900evil | is there a pedometer app¿ | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fdv: for your delight go read ~logs of this # of yesterday | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | n900evil: wooh, spanish kbd? | 16:14 |
| ShadowJK | uh oh, huge scratch :s | 16:15 |
| * ShadowJK hopes it didn't go through protector | 16:15 | |
| n900evil | no | 16:15 |
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| n900evil | onscreen keyboard | 16:15 |
| ShadowJK | big enough that my finger stops when swiping | 16:15 |
| fdv | DocScrutinizer51: I'll do that when I get a chance. I'm a huge fan of trolls ;-) | 16:15 |
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| fdv | (and trolling) | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aaah ¿¡ | 16:16 |
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| n900evil | shadow: what did that? | 16:16 |
| ShadowJK | n900evil: not sure | 16:16 |
| n900evil | :/ | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fdv: that's not exactly trolling though. More a clash of paradigms | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | embedded in arguments that are quite sounding like trolling sometimes ;-D | 16:19 |
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| siriusnova | needs moar nokia update | 16:23 |
| siriusnova | :< | 16:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wonders how much effort a developer of a backup solution is willing to invest to keep user clean from rootfs details and still offer a convenient way to select dirs like /tmp for the blacklist | 16:24 | |
| * thresh thinks rsync is an ultimate backup solution | 16:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | thresh: would you agree rsync is obviously a non-GUI app | 16:26 |
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| fdv | DocScrutinizer51: well, my opinion is than one invariably in these discussions tends to focus very strongly on ones own side of things and very little on others'. There are surpriaingly often alternatives that can keep more than one side happy unless each side is convinced it knows what's best for the other. :-) | 16:26 |
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| fdv | DocScrutinizer51: but anyway, thanks. I didn't know about mount --bind. | 16:27 |
| thresh | DocScrutinizer51: who cares :P | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fdv: ack. Well I mentioned the "go to" function in mac os finder | 16:27 |
| thresh | there is grsync something anyway | 16:27 |
| fdv | DocScrutinizer51: don't know about that, but it sounds like a viable option | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 16:29 |
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| pupnik | nice: ztoube can create a 'podcast' feed out of a youtube search | 16:29 |
| pupnik | needs a 'copy current url' or 'share' function for currently playing vid | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | finder does exaactly same telling lies about actual fs tree. still you can enter a FQN in a textfield and thus escape to real world | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | like "go to" '/' (enter) | 16:31 |
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| ShadowJK | I wish these screen protectors werent exactly the same soie as screnen | 16:33 |
| * ShadowJK can't place them precisely enough | 16:33 | |
| ShadowJK | they end up running over the edges | 16:33 |
| ShadowJK | and wont stick there | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: disassemble. apply protector. place metal frame *over* protector. done | 16:34 |
| lbt | mine were easy | 16:34 |
| lbt | the £1.99 for 7 ones | 16:35 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 16:35 |
| lbt | no cutout for the front-facing speaker though | 16:35 |
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| ShadowJK | I wouldn't trust myself to not scrtch screen during that process :) | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: did this for N810. Worked great | 16:35 |
| wazd | http://maemo.ixbt.com/write.shtml | 16:35 |
| lbt | which was a shame as you couldn't hear very well | 16:35 |
| ShadowJK | mine has cutout for speaker.. i even managed to align it with speaker this time | 16:36 |
| lbt | how much? where from? | 16:36 |
| * ShadowJK has about 4 left now | 16:36 | |
| ShadowJK | duratec cleartec | 16:36 |
| ShadowJK | or durasec.. | 16:36 |
| ShadowJK | i dont recommend, it gathers a zillion scratches during install even | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: could you wet-apply them? | 16:37 |
| ShadowJK | I put the nokia cloth between protector and credit card this time, and it still got scratches | 16:37 |
| ShadowJK | i doubt oit | 16:37 |
| lbt | each of mine is 3 plastic sheets | 16:37 |
| lbt | you peel off the back and apply to the face pushing on the front | 16:38 |
| lbt | then you peel of the front | 16:38 |
| lbt | leaving the 'middle' sheet on the device | 16:38 |
| lbt | dead easy | 16:38 |
| ShadowJK | this is just one sheet on a paper, it rolls into a mess if you take it off the paper | 16:38 |
| lbt | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=180443766610&view=all&tid=443350393008 | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | damn friggin shit. a protector that gets scratched on applying it :-S | 16:39 |
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| ShadowJK | maybe in the future we'll have technology so we dont need protectors | 16:40 |
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| lbt | I do wonder why Nokia don't provide them... | 16:40 |
| Roaziel | Hey guys, I just ran into some trouble on my first attempt at flashing my N900.. When I ran the command on the cmd prompt it put out a bunch of text but at the end it says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" and thats all | 16:40 |
| lbt | ~flashing | 16:40 |
| infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:40 |
| lbt | have you seen that Roaziel ? | 16:41 |
| Roaziel | yes thats the page i was following | 16:41 |
| ShadowJK | oops, i think I managed to wedge the edge in under the screen frame/bezel using my nail | 16:42 |
| ShadowJK | accidentally | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | now you need to learn how to do it intentionally | 16:44 |
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| saltsa_ | anyone having n900 in the hands now? If you shake it can you notice that something particle is moving inside it? | 16:45 |
| VDVsx | wazd, very nice article, lol | 16:45 |
| saltsa_ | i'm having such issue, seems like it's on the same side than the camera | 16:45 |
| lbt | yes | 16:46 |
| lcuk2 | saltsa_, nothing moving around in here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q | 16:46 |
| saltsa_ | lbt, was that for me? ;) | 16:46 |
| lbt | yes saltsa_ mine makes light rattle | 16:46 |
| fragment | saltsa_: you mean you hear something moving? | 16:47 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, asus netbook, bahhh | 16:47 |
| saltsa_ | fragment, yes | 16:47 |
| lbt | nothing moves if I just turn it but there's a light rattle if I shake it | 16:47 |
| fragment | saltsa_: do you have a memory card installed? | 16:47 |
| saltsa_ | okey, so my unit isn't broken | 16:47 |
| lbt | if something moves as you just rotate it then it's broken | 16:47 |
| lcuk2 | te metal hing for the mmc slot has tiny tiny movement when no mmc in | 16:47 |
| saltsa_ | fragment, no card installed.. | 16:47 |
| fragment | what lcuk2 said | 16:47 |
| lbt | lcuk2: sounds about right | 16:47 |
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| saltsa_ | lcuk2, okey, good to know. | 16:47 |
| * lcuk2 has an mmc in tho | 16:48 | |
| fragment | saltsa_: open the back cover and check if the SD card "holder" is locked | 16:48 |
| * lbt was tempted to say it's the accelerometer relays... | 16:48 | |
| lcuk2 | lol lbt | 16:48 |
| lcuk2 | check out that video | 16:48 |
| saltsa_ | fragment, it's locked but i'm still hearing the same kind of metal noise... | 16:48 |
| fragment | saltsa_: hold your finger on it and then shake? | 16:49 |
| saltsa_ | fragment, still hearing... | 16:49 |
| lbt | lcuk... angular momentum... pendulum | 16:49 |
| n900evil | stylus? | 16:49 |
| ShadowJK | battery? | 16:49 |
| n900evil | camera shitter | 16:49 |
| wazd | VDVsx: : review apps for n900 and get n900 | 16:49 |
| saltsa_ | no stylus, neither battery I think | 16:49 |
| fragment | saltsa_: do not shake it then ;) | 16:50 |
| wazd | VDVsx: kind of ridiculous deal :) | 16:50 |
| saltsa_ | :) | 16:50 |
| VDVsx | wazd, humm, translation says asus netbook, lol | 16:50 |
| lcuk2 | lbt, just dynamic orientation | 16:50 |
| wazd | VDVsx: that's for loosers :) | 16:50 |
| saltsa_ | yes, it's working well, just think if it's somehow broken and will break the functionality later on.. | 16:50 |
| wazd | VDVsx: "2nd place" | 16:50 |
| VDVsx | lol | 16:50 |
| lbt | lcuk2: yes, it *needs* momentum | 16:50 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, the translation is not that bad: http://translate.google.pt/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmaemo.ixbt.com%2Fwrite.shtml&sl=ru&tl=en | 16:51 |
| lcuk2 | lbt heh, thats for another day | 16:51 |
| lbt | :D | 16:51 |
| lcuk2 | lbt, did oyu notice the sheep | 16:52 |
| lbt | no... | 16:52 |
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| lbt | yes | 16:53 |
| lbt | who drew that? | 16:53 |
| lcuk2 | me lol | 16:53 |
| lcuk2 | but for the sheepdog game, it needs top down rotated sprite type things | 16:54 |
| lcuk2 | and they need to be rotatable | 16:54 |
| lbt | heh | 16:54 |
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| lcuk2 | lbt with momentum they do silly things, when the device is practically flat they rotate around wildly already | 16:58 |
| lbt | yeah - probably wouldn't work really | 16:58 |
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| hoppa123 | Hello everyone | 16:59 |
| hoppa123 | hmm | 17:00 |
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| hoppa123 | hmmmmm | 17:01 |
| hoppa123 | :) | 17:01 |
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| sp3000 | 122 is docstogo? | 17:02 |
| sp3000 | is there a vote log? | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | sp3000: Not hosted at maemo.org, so don't know. | 17:03 |
| Roaziel | guys Im trying to flash my N900 but the command prompt only says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" and stays like that... Any advice at all?? | 17:04 |
| tank-man | Roaziel, what are the instructions you are using to flash it? | 17:05 |
| Roaziel | ~flashing | 17:05 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:05 |
| Roaziel | that | 17:05 |
| Roaziel | Im on a 64bit vista, but I have booted my computer with driver check disabled, as noted in the instrucktions | 17:06 |
| tank-man | the instructions say that is what is suppose to happen | 17:07 |
| ruskie | Roaziel, tried to disconnect it and reconnect it after? | 17:07 |
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| Roaziel | I did before | 17:07 |
| ifreq | Connect the USB cable while pressing 'u' key on the N900 | 17:08 |
| ifreq | did like that? | 17:08 |
| Roaziel | Yes | 17:08 |
| ifreq | whil eit was switched off? | 17:08 |
| tank-man | It will say: Suitable USB device not found, waiting, N900: Remove USB and plug it back. Hold U to get to boot screen with usb logo in top right, letgo. | 17:08 |
| tank-man | "" | 17:09 |
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| Roaziel | I did that, I see the USB logo, but nothing is happening still | 17:09 |
| GreyFoxx | hmmmmm is there a repository I can add to my n810 (running latest os2008) to get things like smb/cifs kernel modules, and tcpdump ? | 17:09 |
| Roaziel | it still says the same in the command prompt | 17:10 |
| GreyFoxx | I tried installing wizard mounter but it complained baout missing a package of module extras | 17:10 |
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| tank-man | "kernel-diablo-modules-extra" maybe from the extras repository | 17:14 |
| tank-man | did you uncheck the "disabled" box for the maemo extras repository? | 17:15 |
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| GAN900 | Roaziel, are you doing it as root? | 17:18 |
| GAN900 | Roaziel, nothing interfering with your USB connectivity? | 17:18 |
| ifreq | aliens | 17:19 |
| Roaziel | what do you mean am I doing it as root? | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | VMWare | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | Roaziel, sudo? | 17:19 |
| Roaziel | and no, I dont think anyting is interfering, but I dont really know | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | Oh, Vista | 17:19 |
| Roaziel | Im on Vista | 17:19 |
| Roaziel | yeah | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | You're on your own, then. ;) | 17:20 |
| Roaziel | lol | 17:20 |
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| GreyFoxx | tank-man: That's the mpackage I was looking for. It's definitely not disabled in the application manager but checking under all installable applications doesn't show to for me to install | 17:20 |
| GreyFoxx | I wiped and reflashed it recently so now I'm mtrying to reinstall everything I don't have anymore :) | 17:21 |
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| RST38h | By the way http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/How_to_Know_how_much_power_each_component_of_your_smartphone_uses.php | 17:25 |
| Roaziel | Ha! I did it | 17:25 |
| Roaziel | turns out I had to go into the flashers properties and make sure it launches in Administrator mode. Coz the command prompt doesnt do that on its own | 17:26 |
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| *** crashanddie changes topic to "irc://irc.freenode.net/#maemo wishes you a Merry Christmas | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | maemo.org Bugday: Dec 15th, 18:00-03:00 UTC at irc://irc.freenode.net/#maemo-bugs -> http://tinyurl.com/yl53f2j" | 17:39 | |
| crashanddie | woops | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | stupid autoreplace | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | #maemo wishes you a Merry Christmas | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | maemo.org Bugday: Dec 15th, 18:00-03:00 UTC at #maemo-bugs -> http://tinyurl.com/yl53f2j | 17:41 |
| crashanddie | crap | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | Remove the bugday while you are at it ;) | 17:42 |
| arachnist | X-Fade: who know, there might be some time travelers around here | 17:42 |
| *** crashanddie changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Merry Christmas on behalf of the Maemo Community" | 17:43 | |
| crashanddie | Dayum, that was some effort | 17:43 |
| crashanddie | ~lart colloquy | 17:44 |
| * infobot whacks colloquy upside the head | 17:44 | |
| crashanddie | ~pet infobot | 17:44 |
| * infobot reaches over and pets infobot on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" | 17:44 | |
| crashanddie | how are you X-Fade | 17:44 |
| crashanddie | ? | 17:44 |
| arachnist | ~pet himself | 17:44 |
| * infobot reaches over and pets himself on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" | 17:44 | |
| crashanddie | that sounds outright schizophrenic | 17:46 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, Adium | 17:47 |
| GAN900 | Grab the latest from hg or the beta from their site | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: A bit of pre christmas chill out. Not doing much ;) | 17:47 |
| lbt | back now | 17:47 |
| GAN900 | Way better than Colloquy | 17:47 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: I don't like adium | 17:47 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: I don't like colloquy that much either, but I it's less worse | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | s/I i/i/ | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | oy infobot | 17:48 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: GAN900: I don't like colloquy that much either, but it's less worse | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | there you go | 17:48 |
| wazd | Moscow got quasi-imax Avatar :( | 17:48 |
| GAN900 | Adium is better, trust me. | 17:49 |
| wazd | proper sound, proper tech but lowres | 17:49 |
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| GAN900 | Sony 4k HD is higher resolution and higher framerate than IMAX | 17:49 |
| wazd | looked awesome anyway :) | 17:49 |
| GAN900 | It's just on a smaller screen | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | wazd: do you an N900 yet? | 17:49 |
| wazd | crashanddie: no | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | have** | 17:49 |
| * pupnik got out of the familiy obligations :D | 17:49 | |
| GAN900 | Closest IMAX Avatar was 300 miles away for me. | 17:50 |
| crashanddie | wazd: when are you getting one? | 17:50 |
| wazd | crashanddie: I suppose never :D | 17:50 |
| crashanddie | why? | 17:50 |
| crashanddie | we need you to have one, don't we? | 17:50 |
| crashanddie | You're our best designer | 17:50 |
| crashanddie | you're a bloody pain in the arse, but you're still the only designer who's worth a damn | 17:50 |
| wazd | GAN900: Well, IMAX is the most comfortable 3D format to watch | 17:50 |
| wazd | GAN900: light and big glasses | 17:50 |
| wazd | crashanddie: I don't need it to design :) | 17:51 |
| lcuk2 | ho ho ho :D merry christmas | 17:51 |
| lcuk2 | hey seb \op | 17:51 |
| lcuk2 | -p | 17:51 |
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| crashanddie | hey lcuk2, what's up guv? | 17:51 |
| crashanddie | wazd: so you don't want one? | 17:51 |
| * RST38h does not understand why you would want to watch Avatar when there is DrWho | 17:51 | |
| * RST38h ducks | 17:51 | |
| lcuk2 | just debugging stuffs, and spinning things around | 17:51 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: dr who is tomorrow right? | 17:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: die :D | 17:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: No, seriously, it's epic :) | 17:52 |
| GAN900 | Rs | 17:52 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, not here. | 17:52 |
| lcuk2 | dr who ftw! | 17:52 |
| wazd | crashanddie: well, I *want* but I *can't afford* one :) | 17:52 |
| RST38h | GAN: Torrent! | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | I'm tempted to do the christmas thingy | 17:52 |
| lcuk2 | crashanddie, which way is up | 17:53 |
| wazd | crashanddie: anyway, as you can see in my countdown, I'm doing pretty fine without actual device :) | 17:53 |
| crashanddie | lcuk2: north pole is still closest | 17:53 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, kinda defeats the purpose of going to see it in theaters instead of Avatar | 17:53 |
| RST38h | GAN: Ah, I prefer seeing it in the comfort of my bedroom, on N900 | 17:53 |
| wazd | Cameron is da man, Again :) | 17:53 |
| GAN900 | wazd, I just want to know why the former US Marine kept slipping into an Australian accent. | 17:53 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, that's no theater experience. | 17:54 |
| lcuk2 | crashanddie, i seem to have given up on landscape/portrait http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q | 17:54 |
| wazd | GAN900: our translation failed at translating accents :) | 17:54 |
| RST38h | GAN: Maybe he is a naturalized alien | 17:54 |
| GAN900 | wazd, it's too bad the story was so week and the morality so black and white | 17:54 |
| GAN900 | wazd, oh, right, dubbed | 17:54 |
| GAN900 | Suck | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | lcuk2: well, Nokia weren't true to their word either | 17:54 |
| wazd | GAN900: dubs btw were awesome | 17:54 |
| lcuk2 | mmm which word was that | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | lcuk2: providing portrait browser before christmas | 17:55 |
| wazd | GAN900: looks like they were supervised by US | 17:55 |
| GAN900 | A better story and some grittier morality would've taken the movie up to Dark Knight levels | 17:55 |
| wazd | GAN900: WAY better that ordinary russian dubs | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | wazd: aren't russian dubs usually the english soundtrack and just 2 guys talking over it? | 17:55 |
| wazd | crashanddie: 1 guy :D | 17:56 |
| GAN900 | Too much FernGully meets Surrogates | 17:56 |
| crashanddie | wazd: every time I'm in Ukraine that's what I see on telly -- one guy doing all the male actors, one chick doing all the females | 17:56 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: PM | 17:56 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, where? | 17:57 |
| crashanddie | IRC | 17:57 |
| wazd | well, story is a but over-straight but visuals were epic | 17:57 |
| wazd | I was like :-O | 17:57 |
| wazd | (8-O | 17:57 |
| GAN900 | 3D glasses? ;) | 17:57 |
| * wazd forgit IMAX googles | 17:58 | |
| wazd | :D | 17:58 |
| wazd | goggles | 17:58 |
| wazd | damn google :D | 17:58 |
| wazd | But I've found DOF a bit overacted | 17:58 |
| crashanddie | lcuk2: how's the new job coming along? | 17:58 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: there are different quality dubs nowadays | 17:59 |
| RST38h | crashaddie: Some of them are pretty good, others are more...hmm...budget. | 17:59 |
| crashanddie | I remember talking to this Brit in Kiev | 17:59 |
| crashanddie | he was saying that he was installing an HD recording studio for nearly every TV station in eastern Europe, Africa | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | they're paying literally millions, and nearly no-one of the general population will have access to HD televisions before the next 15 years | 18:00 |
| lcuk2 | crashanddie, great, doign many different things | 18:00 |
| wazd | oh, and Avatars were awesome | 18:00 |
| * lcuk2 is debugging things atm | 18:00 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk2: you're working? | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | lcuk2: on Christmas eve? | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | lcuk2: gtfo and go spend time with your family, numbnuts | 18:01 |
| wazd | SSigourney Weaver replica was brilliant :) | 18:01 |
| lcuk2 | they are out shopping | 18:01 |
| * lcuk2 dislikes cattlemarket | 18:01 | |
| crashanddie | SS Igourney Weaver? That's a bit neo-nazi, isn't it? | 18:01 |
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| lcuk2 | maybe, but she would kick the aliens' ass | 18:01 |
| GAN900 | More like she got her ass kicked | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | I'm an alien | 18:02 |
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| GAN900 | Scientist < cargo transport crew | 18:02 |
| wazd | I was waiting Weaver to operate exo-suit :D | 18:03 |
| wazd | But no, Cameron didn't want any references :) | 18:03 |
| lcuk2 | crashanddie, in which country tho | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | lcuk2: france | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | south of | 18:04 |
| GAN900 | wazd, those battlemechs were silly | 18:04 |
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| GAN900 | Why do they have to carry oversized assault rifles. . . . | 18:05 |
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| GAN900 | Shoulder mounted miniguns with optical tracking. ;) | 18:05 |
| wazd | GAN900: what about bloody knife? :D | 18:05 |
| GAN900 | lol | 18:05 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, that was bad too | 18:06 |
| lcuk2 | you gotta be dual wielding macho soldier, cant have pansy shoulder mounted guns | 18:06 |
| wazd | GAN900: bad? It was like "wait, wha?!" | 18:06 |
| GAN900 | Yes, so random | 18:06 |
| GAN900 | No reason to give a mech a giant knife | 18:06 |
| lcuk2 | a decent gun is one of those hip mounted uber ones from aliens | 18:06 |
| wazd | maybe he had giant spoon with him | 18:07 |
| GAN900 | lol | 18:07 |
| siriusnova | N900 update | 18:07 |
| siriusnova | cometh soon plz | 18:07 |
| siriusnova | :( | 18:07 |
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| crashanddie | has there been any word about the portrait-enabled browser? | 18:08 |
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| crashanddie | Nokia has 22 minutes before they're out of time | 18:09 |
| flux | what happens then? the world comes to an end?-( | 18:09 |
| crashanddie | nope, it's close-of-business in Europe, and the official deadline for Nokia comes to pass | 18:10 |
| flux | there was an official deadline for portrait browsing? | 18:10 |
| crashanddie | well, Ari said in Amsterdam that we'd have it "before Christmas" | 18:11 |
| GAN900 | It's been delayed, I believe | 18:12 |
| crashanddie | well, when I got Quim's email this morning, it was pretty obvious it was going to be delayed | 18:12 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: I would not be so sure about nobody having HD access | 18:13 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: please upgrade your bullet-time, that conversation flew by a few hours ago :P | 18:13 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: 2/3 of the local soaps are already shot in HD (for DVD distribution, if nothing else) | 18:13 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Sorry, I am still at work | 18:14 |
| lcuk2 | well if the pr1.1 firmware is out for testing now, thats a good thing, cos now everyone will have time to find and report anything odd | 18:14 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: And the commercial digital TV is also done in HD now | 18:14 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Not me :) | 18:14 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h: studios doing it is one thing | 18:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: ha-ha (again) :) | 18:15 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: people being able to buy an HDTV-enabled television is another thing | 18:15 |
| * RST38h moos at wazd woefully | 18:15 | |
| * wazd ducks | 18:15 | |
| RST38h | crashanddie: no problemo to buy one | 18:15 |
| thresh | 720p is possible on cortex a8 | 18:15 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: just costs more money | 18:15 |
| crashanddie | and money isn't what people have in rural Ukraine | 18:15 |
| thresh | of course, fairly simple stuff, but still | 18:15 |
| wazd | RST38h: local=russan? Karmelita HD? :D | 18:16 |
| Roaziel | Hi guys, 2 quick question. Where can I find the account-plugin-haze, and is it stable? are there any major risks? | 18:16 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Most of 'em - notice how there are always black stripes at the top//bottom of the screen | 18:17 |
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| * RST38h not sure he wants to know what Karmelita is though | 18:17 | |
| crashanddie | average salary in the Ukraine is what, 1500 hryvnia per month? | 18:17 |
| wazd | RST38h: lucky man :) | 18:17 |
| * thresh doesnt know what it is either | 18:17 | |
| crashanddie | (roughly $200) | 18:17 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: people do not buy these on average salaries | 18:17 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: they steal/pilfer/receive kickbacks and buy luxury stuff | 18:18 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: check the number of black Porshe Cayennes at the Kiev streets (unless it was replaced as the fashionable car recently) | 18:19 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: yeah, it's amazing that sometimes you see people with bentleys, jags, lambos driving around | 18:19 |
| crashanddie | though the bentley retailer closed shop this summer | 18:19 |
| thresh | that's former SU, nothing amazing about it :) | 18:19 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Crisis? Ran out of money to steal? =) | 18:21 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, I'm off for the night | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | everyone enjoy yourselves, take care of your loved ones, and talk to you later | 18:31 |
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| VDVsx | crashanddie, happy holidays | 18:32 |
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| flux | soo, I guess using lookup tables instead of sin(x) is faster in n900 level hardware? | 18:37 |
| flux | as is using fixed point math instead of floating point? | 18:37 |
| flux | (faster as in significantly faster) | 18:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | generally, yes | 18:42 |
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| gevaerts | Is there a somewhat recent gnu make package available for n900 somewhere? | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | while there may be an FPU, it's not typically a great FPU | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | well optimised ntegger will usually spank it. | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | neger | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | integer | 18:42 |
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| BluesLee | there is an evopedia port on garagae | 18:55 |
| GAN900 | lol, they're giving away litle webbooks on the View | 18:56 |
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| Jaffa | Right, should prep for the Xmas party we're having here. | 19:05 |
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| Roaziel | Anyone know what the situation is with account-plugin-haze? is it safe to use? | 19:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't think anyone has found any problems with software - even from extras-dev - that will do worse than make you flash the device again, and lose all your data | 19:20 |
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| Roaziel | Lol, yeah but I want to avoid doing that :P | 19:20 |
| Roaziel | I Used it before, and I had to flash my device but I have no way of knowing if the problems I had were because of Haze | 19:21 |
| SpeedEvil | haze is the irc one? | 19:21 |
| Roaziel | No, Haze is the one with MSN, Yahoo, AIM, etc etc | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: (any worse) well I'm waiting for my xchat script to get me on freenode blacklist permanently. That's probably worse than need for a reflash | 19:39 |
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| ShadowJK | scripts suck | 19:41 |
| pupnik | LMFAO | 19:43 |
| pupnik | facebook wants my email password | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | muhaha | 19:44 |
| pupnik | Listen, if you use facebook, you are a sheep, a tool, and an assmonkey. | 19:44 |
| pupnik | :) | 19:44 |
| n900evil | xchat script? | 19:44 |
| pupnik | just wanted google to know that | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | n900evil: manual ghosting and nickchange sucks. As do frequently changing nicks | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | n900evil: check # logs of 18.dec. I posted a pastebin URL to jebba suggesting he is "free to copy it" | 19:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | n900evil: basically it's a file with one xchat cmd per line | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | n900evil: and a 'LOAD -e (FQN of script)' in xchat's startup on-connect command setting | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | n900evil: oops. scratch that jebba note. that's been a different topic | 19:58 |
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| Noobi | hi | 20:23 |
| Noobi | how to remove the back panel on my n900? -_- | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hi | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | brute force | 20:23 |
| Noobi | :O | 20:23 |
| arachnist | john the ripper ;) | 20:24 |
| arachnist | Noobi: seriously | 20:24 |
| Noobi | waiz | 20:24 |
| Noobi | really? | 20:24 |
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| arachnist | Noobi: around the right speaker there's a space | 20:25 |
| arachnist | Noobi: you can put the stylus there and use it to remove the back panel | 20:25 |
| arachnist | neither should break | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | need s atrong fingernail and force | 20:25 |
| Bluewind | Noobi: feels as if you'd break it but that's how you do that | 20:25 |
| arachnist | DocScrutinizer51: or use the stylus instead of a fingernail | 20:26 |
| arachnist | :> | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm concerned about the stylus ;-P | 20:26 |
| Noobi | crap | 20:26 |
| Noobi | i hope i didnt break it | 20:26 |
| clmntch_ | hello | 20:26 |
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| Noobi | it seriously separated the camera and the rest? | 20:26 |
| arachnist | Noobi: it didn't. it only sounds bad | 20:26 |
| Noobi | ok | 20:26 |
| arachnist | Noobi: no. just the lens | 20:26 |
| arachnist | Noobi: the camera body is inside | 20:27 |
| arachnist | uhm | 20:27 |
| arachnist | not even lens | 20:27 |
| arachnist | lens are with the rest of the camera body | 20:27 |
| Noobi | er | 20:27 |
| Noobi | and...the sim? | 20:27 |
| arachnist | only the camera cover is on the back cover | 20:27 |
| arachnist | and the sim is under the battery | 20:27 |
| Noobi | wow | 20:28 |
| Noobi | its like a... | 20:28 |
| arachnist | again, you can use the stylus to remove the battery | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's like it was never meant to be opened at all | 20:28 |
| Noobi | i know | 20:28 |
| Bluewind | µSD is also in there | 20:28 |
| Noobi | i already removed it | 20:28 |
| Noobi | exactly | 20:28 |
| Noobi | its all like a freaking brain-teaser | 20:29 |
| arachnist | DocScrutinizer51: well, why do you need to open it? | 20:29 |
| arachnist | Noobi: no, not really. | 20:29 |
| Bluewind | where is the startup nokia logo located? /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/startup_nokia_logo.png to be something else | 20:31 |
| Bluewind | +seems | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which logo? | 20:32 |
| Bluewind | just when booting you get a blue nokia logo | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err | 20:33 |
| n900evil | wonder if thats in bootloader | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably compiled into the kernel | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | bootloader | 20:33 |
| Bluewind | from what I read on the forum you could change that on the n800 | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you can replace the shaking hands anim | 20:35 |
| Bluewind | yeah that's easy | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | n900evil: need details bout xchat scripting? | 20:37 |
| n900evil | not really atm. | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | k | 20:38 |
| n900evil | how to get it to not seg on pref save ou;d be nice tho. | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol yeah | 20:39 |
| RST38h | moo all | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mooo back | 20:40 |
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| wazd | RST38h: : remoo | 20:40 |
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| RST38h | wazd: how are things? | 20:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: lots of work :( | 20:41 |
| RST38h | that's normal... | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | too many morons with red coat to kickass? ;-P | 20:42 |
| thresh | wazd: easy, get ill | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | that sucks. tell ya that | 20:44 |
| * RST38h is afraid it won't work for wazd | 20:44 | |
| wazd | yeah :D | 20:44 |
| thresh | worked for me :) | 20:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 coughs and sneezes | 20:45 | |
| hardaker | wonderful | 20:45 |
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| hardaker | Bad file descriptor at /usr/bin/maemo-optify line 240 | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | heh | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | as long as it's no 'stale NFS lock' and you never had and nfs mounts | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/and/any | 20:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hardaker: wrong shell? | 20:54 |
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| hardaker | turned out it was a missing DEBIAN directory | 20:54 |
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| hardaker | (now I have a different error) | 20:55 |
| hardaker | cannot chdir te debian/libval7 | 20:55 |
| hardaker | which exists, so i'm confused again. | 20:55 |
| hardaker | and I'm not sure what's telling me that (maemo or debian build) | 20:55 |
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| Raz | Hey guys is there any way to add FLV support to the video player? | 21:12 |
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| Proteous | doubt it | 21:13 |
| n900evil | mplayer plays flv | 21:13 |
| n900evil | some 10* faster than flash | 21:13 |
| ShadowJK | codec-support adds flv support to mediaplayer i think | 21:14 |
| Proteous | no that can't be right. everything is faster in flash! | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | friggin mediaplayer doesn't know how to do rst subtitles | 21:14 |
| Proteous | it makes a crappy cup of coffee too | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or I'm too stupid to tell it to do | 21:14 |
| bigbrovar_ | Raz: the decode package in extra repo claim to bring flash support to the N900 | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | It doesn't support subtitles and it can't be made to support subtitles | 21:15 |
| bigbrovar_ | Raz: although i have not tried it to see if this works. | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | flash video container format support | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: well that's a statement at least | 21:16 |
| Proteous | lies | 21:16 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | hi guys | 21:17 |
| Proteous | HI! | 21:17 |
| ShadowJK | supposedly it's "simple" to compile subtitle support for gst, and another player could use it with the dsp/iva2 accelerated decoders | 21:17 |
| RST38h | correct | 21:17 |
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| Raz | Sorry I was away... | 21:18 |
| Sir_Lancelot | merry x-mas to all | 21:18 |
| Proteous | merry x-mas Sir_Lancelot | 21:18 |
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| Ceron | santa didnt bring me any navigation maemo apps for xmas :( | 21:18 |
| Raz | The reason I want the default media player to play FLV is because it has that local network media sharing thing. As far as I know mplayer doesnt have that | 21:18 |
| Raz | I have tons of flv files on my computer | 21:18 |
| Raz | I dont wanna have to import them evey time I wanna watch one | 21:19 |
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| Proteous | who stores their media as flv... | 21:19 |
| Raz | I d, coz I grab them off of websites | 21:19 |
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| Raz | and I dont convert | 21:19 |
| TomaszD | Raz, Decoders Support fails? | 21:19 |
| Raz | whats that? | 21:19 |
| bigbrovar_ | TomaszD: just noticed that too | 21:19 |
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| TomaszD | a package that is supposed to make flv work, among other things | 21:20 |
| Proteous | Raz read the channel backlog... | 21:20 |
| TomaszD | it pulls the flv decoder and registers flv | 21:20 |
| bigbrovar_ | TomaszD: Raz just tried a flv file on my N900 and it failed to recognise it, decoder #fail | 21:20 |
| Raz | Oh you have that decoder? | 21:20 |
| Raz | ok Ill try the docer now | 21:21 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | the app manager on n900 is so shitty... | 21:22 |
| Raz | wow, it works | 21:22 |
| TomaszD | Sir_Lancelot, wait for PR1.1 | 21:23 |
| Sir_Lancelot | it doesn,t tell us which apps are maemo5 compatible and which are not | 21:23 |
| Raz | Thanks guys | 21:23 |
| Sir_Lancelot | i'm quite eagar tomaszd | 21:23 |
| Sir_Lancelot | ;) | 21:23 |
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| TomaszD | Raz, np, consider this an xmas present, coz I made that package | 21:24 |
| Arkenoi | when will pr1.1 available for general public? | 21:24 |
| Arkenoi | will be | 21:24 |
| GAN900 | Sir_Lancelot, how the hell do you expect it to guess? | 21:25 |
| TomaszD | Arkenol, even us community testers don't know | 21:25 |
| GAN900 | Sir_Lancelot, easy solution is to use only Fremantle repos. | 21:25 |
| TomaszD | but let me tell you, it's worth the wait | 21:25 |
| GAN900 | TomaszD, sush. | 21:26 |
| TomaszD | what, no specifics | 21:26 |
| GAN900 | TomaszD, it wasn't distributed for people to do marketing. :P | 21:26 |
| TomaszD | :) | 21:26 |
| TomaszD | lol | 21:26 |
| Sir_Lancelot | GAN900 you tell me | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | zhs, no opengles | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | err. | 21:26 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | i know nothing about linux | 21:27 |
| GAN900 | Sir_Lancelot, OK, will do, there isn't an easy or reliable way. :) | 21:27 |
| GAN900 | Unless you just tell it to only use fremantle for the repo distro. :) | 21:28 |
| GAN900 | So, stick to repositories for Fremantle. | 21:28 |
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| Arkenoi | TomaszD, what are requirements for update? Did it go smoothly, do i need certain amount of free space on / , whatever? | 21:31 |
| TomaszD | Arkenoi, no comment. | 21:32 |
| TomaszD | :) | 21:32 |
| ShadowJK | i dont think it's within the scope of ham to help people who add lots of random repos... | 21:32 |
| GAN900 | Arkenoi, all updates will be pushed through h-a-m via the repos. | 21:32 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | i will do so Gan900 thanks for the advise | 21:35 |
| Milo- | hmm, I installed few apps today | 21:35 |
| Milo- | none of them will show up in the 'more' section :/ | 21:35 |
| ShadowJK | what apps? | 21:36 |
| Milo- | flashlight, liqtorch | 21:36 |
| Milo- | and some other flashlight app from extras-devel | 21:36 |
| Milo- | needed some light because I lost my glasses :/ | 21:37 |
| Milo- | and peogeut's lamp is useless | 21:37 |
| TomaszD | flashlight will not show up there | 21:37 |
| Milo- | oh | 21:37 |
| Milo- | why not? | 21:37 |
| TomaszD | open the cover | 21:37 |
| Milo- | tested liqtorch the day I received my n900 | 21:37 |
| TomaszD | shut the app down | 21:38 |
| TomaszD | open the menu | 21:38 |
| Milo- | liqtorch how ever should appear in the more section | 21:38 |
| Milo- | enabling extras-devel made the application manager start really really slowly | 21:39 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 21:39 |
| Milo- | it feels like it's re-creating the manifest each time | 21:39 |
| RST38h | it is deleting every 13th byt of your / | 21:40 |
| RST38h | byte | 21:40 |
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| Milo- | TomaszD opened camera cover, shut down the camera app, then what? | 21:41 |
| Milo- | ahh | 21:41 |
| Milo- | foudn it | 21:41 |
| Milo- | found* | 21:41 |
| Milo- | that is brilliant | 21:41 |
| Milo- | exactly what I needed, though now it is too late :D | 21:41 |
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| Lantizia | Meow | 21:42 |
| Milo- | Lantizia are you a cat? | 21:42 |
| Lantizia | Yes | 21:42 |
| Lantizia | The first cat to use an N900 successfully, I'm in the Guiness Book of Records you know | 21:43 |
| n900evil | I was about to complain about poor battery life, then I remembered mencoder in the background. | 21:43 |
| TomaszD | I sense a good sense of humour | 21:43 |
| n900evil | I sense a disturbance in the farce. | 21:44 |
| Milo- | battery.charge_lever.percentage = 48 (0x30) (int) | 21:44 |
| Lantizia | I sense your senses. | 21:44 |
| Milo- | the battery icon shows roughly 75% though :P | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Milo-: that's all guesswork and handwaving | 21:45 |
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| Milo- | the command line seems to be more accurate than the picture | 21:46 |
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| ShadowJK | the battery icon is always overly optimistic on nokia :) | 21:46 |
| Milo- | though, unplugged the phone from charger this morning, indicator showed green, meaning it's full | 21:46 |
| Milo- | checked command line and it said 90% :P | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's ok | 21:47 |
| Milo- | my e71 had funny battery icon | 21:47 |
| Milo- | it was either full, or empty | 21:47 |
| Lantizia | Have you put synapse into extras-devel Milo- ? | 21:47 |
| Milo- | it showed full for few days, and then it all suddenly goes from full to empty in few hours | 21:48 |
| Arkenoi | almost all battery icons are non-linear. They are 100-80% 50% of the time and then discharge quickly. dunnon why. | 21:48 |
| Milo- | and then the empty shows until it runs out of memory | 21:48 |
| Milo- | Lantizia synapse? | 21:49 |
| Lantizia | Whos got Synapse Milo- ? | 21:49 |
| Milo- | who what where? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | runs out of mem?? o.O | 21:49 |
| Milo- | DocScrutinizer51 yes | 21:49 |
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| Milo- | e71 has a funny bug which makes it run out of memory, a bug that nokia can't fix | 21:49 |
| Milo- | bug called *cough* symbian *cough* | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 21:50 |
| Milo- | the memory isn't actually full | 21:50 |
| Milo- | but the operating system wants some attention | 21:50 |
| Milo- | and then all it can do is show 'out of memory' warnings | 21:50 |
| Lantizia | Do you reckon Nokia may develop a symbian application layer for linux? (like wine is a windows application layer) ? | 21:50 |
| Lantizia | sine perhaps ? :D | 21:50 |
| Lantizia | use all your old Nokia apps on Maemo based Nokia phones | 21:50 |
| TomaszD | yes, it's called Qt | 21:50 |
| Milo- | Lantizia anyways, no idea what you were talking about with that synapse-thingy | 21:51 |
| Lantizia | Ah but your apps would have to be ported to Qt | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eeew nightmare | 21:51 |
| Milo- | Lantizia but according to a friend who works for nokia-symbian, most of the new apps are written in Qt. | 21:51 |
| Lantizia | I mean a 100% compatible application layer, both maemo and symbian are now open source - Nokia controlling both | 21:51 |
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| Lantizia | Milo-, not all third party ones tho | 21:51 |
| Milo- | of course not all third party ones | 21:52 |
| Lantizia | Anyway Synapse is in Java | 21:52 |
| ShadowJK | I think it started when people began comparing "i charged yesterday and still got full bars" | 21:52 |
| Milo- | but you have to be a complete idiot to develop symbian code if you choose between qt and symbian | 21:52 |
| ShadowJK | so they just made the first bar go away at 50% | 21:52 |
| Lantizia | Oh sure... but if Nokia ever wanted to wean people off Symbian and off to Maemo... then a compatibility layer would go a long way | 21:52 |
| ShadowJK | 100%compatible is so much work... | 21:53 |
| ShadowJK | not really realistic | 21:53 |
| Milo- | especially when Symbian isn't 100% compatible with itself. | 21:53 |
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| ShadowJK | true :) | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and then emulating that out-of-mem bug... NOOooooohoho | 21:54 |
| Lantizia | Are we expecting the new open source "Symbian" (rather than "Symbian OS") based on S60 5th... to be on new devices soon? | 21:54 |
| ShadowJK | not even Nokia is able to writr symbian apps that work on more than a handful of devices | 21:54 |
| Lantizia | I like the look of that new Qt IDE they've released | 21:55 |
| Lantizia | Might drop my learning of GTK+ and look at that instead | 21:55 |
| Lantizia | It can compile for it all... lin, win, maemo | 21:55 |
| Ceron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6yUCbqAGrg santa @ jack bauer | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: actually a sine could be better on that than real symbian platforms | 21:55 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, well it would be uniform I suppose | 21:56 |
| ShadowJK | i dont want to install any qt software, I suspect the qt4-gui and friends aren't optified | 21:56 |
| Lantizia | Sine is not an Emulator | 21:56 |
| Lantizia | :D | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sine --type=E71 symbianAPP | 21:56 |
| Lantizia | yeah :) | 21:56 |
| Lantizia | sine-dpkg -i app.sis | 21:57 |
| Lantizia | well drop the d lol | 21:57 |
| ShadowJK | it's just silly to rewrite an entire obsolete OS, by the time you're done it will have been properly dead for 5 years | 21:57 |
| Lantizia | well who says it's obsolite!? | 21:58 |
| Lantizia | if this new "Symbian" based on S60 5th is meant to be coming | 21:58 |
| Milo- | symbian is obsolete | 21:58 |
| Milo- | it can't do multitouch | 21:58 |
| Milo- | too complicated addition | 21:58 |
| Lantizia | well I don't see Nokia promising all phones will go Maemo do you? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: yeah' like wine | 21:58 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 21:58 |
| Lantizia | Does Nokia have a name for that pre-symbian OS they used to use on really old (or low cost) phones? | 21:59 |
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| wazd | I wonder if OMW will reach 10k downloads by 2010 :) | 21:59 |
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| Lantizia | wazd, the weather app? | 22:00 |
| wazd | Lantizia: yes | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | lantizia: they still use | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | s40 | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | s30 too | 22:00 |
| Lantizia | sure but if this new "Symbian" drops that silly notion and is coded to work on all past nokia devices | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I wonder if liqtorch is a spyapp | 22:01 |
| lcuk2 | spying on what | 22:01 |
| Lantizia | I'm just saying I don't think Symbian is dead... Nokia have a place for it and it's place is devices that are meant to be phones as their primary function | 22:02 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea. Just noticed it's way to many bytes for what it does. And even needs wget o.O | 22:02 |
| Lantizia | Maemo will probably remain for devices that are portable computers as their primary function | 22:02 |
| Lantizia | but phones will die out anyway over many many years | 22:02 |
| lcuk2 | DocScrutinizer, libliqbase does | 22:02 |
| lcuk2 | the torch specifically doesnt | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | scary shit | 22:03 |
| Milo- | why does it take so long to open ovi maps and application manager? | 22:04 |
| lcuk2 | why is it scary? | 22:04 |
| ShadowJK | ovi maps is like this gigantic javascript in the browser | 22:04 |
| lcuk2 | hey DocScrutinizer did you know the browser contains stuff to connect to *shock* web servers! | 22:05 |
| Lantizia | Milo-, you said it can't do multitouch - i don't think maemo can either | 22:06 |
| ShadowJK | it's a stupid metric. | 22:06 |
| Lantizia | or rather if it can, then I don't see the functionality in my n900 | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk2: I don't need other people to make myself look like a fool | 22:06 |
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| Milo- | Lantizia it's on the features-list of maemo6 | 22:07 |
| Lantizia | Milo-, and will maemo6 be available for N900 users? | 22:07 |
| Milo- | Lantizia no | 22:07 |
| Milo- | I don't know why multitouch is important, but for some reason it is :/ | 22:07 |
| Lantizia | well thats pretty shitty | 22:07 |
| Milo- | Lantizia besides, the screens for N900 and earlier models don't support multitouch | 22:08 |
| Milo- | wrong type of screen | 22:08 |
| Lantizia | 1 OS for 1 Device... thats how it's gonna be forever and evert | 22:08 |
| ShadowJK | and very few people try to do anything about it | 22:08 |
| melmoth | zooming with two finger is kind of cool | 22:08 |
| ShadowJK | they just buy the next one | 22:09 |
| Milo- | melmoth that's the only thing anyone can think of when multitouch is mentioned | 22:09 |
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| Lantizia | well contract I'm on for the N900 ends in 18months... will have to see what maemo device is available then | 22:09 |
| Lantizia | bbl | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | isoHunt RIP | 22:09 |
| Milo- | is that the only useful thing for multitouch? | 22:09 |
| * Arkenoi does not think there is any need in multitouch for zoom as there are hardware zoom keys | 22:09 | |
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| Milo- | RST38h another torrent site killed? | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Milo-: who told maemo6 won't be avail for N900? | 22:09 |
| Arkenoi | using multitouch for rotate is more handy, but do you really need it? | 22:09 |
| Milo- | DocScrutinizer51 tekojo did | 22:09 |
| melmoth | it s not needed, it s just cool | 22:10 |
| RST38h | Milo: looks like it | 22:10 |
| ShadowJK | the method of xooming is unimportant imo, the key thing is that it's something that can be used everywhere, and that it responds | 22:10 |
| Milo- | DocScrutinizer51 well, through a simple update | 22:10 |
| Milo- | of course you can change the operating system as you wish with flashing | 22:10 |
| Milo- | but that, again isn't for the non-technical users | 22:11 |
| ShadowJK | the browser's spinzoom and hwkey zoom always work, doubletap zoom only work when browser isn't busy, and there's no indicator to tell you when browser isn't busy... | 22:11 |
| Milo- | there is too many apps in -devel, not enough apps in -testing and definitely too low amount of apps in extras | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hwkey zoom?? | 22:12 |
| Milo- | sound buttons | 22:12 |
| Milo- | I think? | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | forgot | 22:12 |
| ShadowJK | using the rocker keys | 22:12 |
| lcuk2 | Milo-, help out then | 22:12 |
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| Milo- | no idea what to do with devel packages | 22:12 |
| lcuk2 | file bugs a bout -testing, speak to the devs about -devel, let them know the bits that are good/bad/indifferent | 22:13 |
| lcuk2 | help them to make their minds up | 22:13 |
| Milo- | been testing some useful looking apps in -testing | 22:13 |
| Milo- | but the maemo site is always down when I want to give thumbs up | 22:13 |
| Milo- | or report bugs | 22:13 |
| * lcuk2 nods | 22:13 | |
| Milo- | an application from -devel crashed my whole more section yesterday | 22:13 |
| Milo- | wanted to report it and the page wouldn't load :/ | 22:14 |
| lcuk2 | maybe santa will bring new servers :) or at least the new year lol | 22:14 |
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| lcuk2 | buy em in the january sales :D | 22:14 |
| GAN900 | I really wish Nokia had a logo for Maemo | 22:14 |
| Milo- | 'new year lol' | 22:14 |
| Milo- | the new year lol | 22:15 |
| GAN900 | Emailed Sygic to ask them to stop using the chopped up maemo.org logo they're using now. | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | I'm too afraid to touch anything out of extras that isn't absolutely necessary. it's the curse of n900, it has become so useful and integral part of my day I couldn't do without it if something from -testing blows rootfs away | 22:16 |
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| lcuk2 | extras is ok isnt it? | 22:16 |
| lcuk2 | -testing also as long as you go in with a clear head | 22:17 |
| ShadowJK | I meant outside of extras | 22:17 |
| Raz | Anyone know why some video files on the N900 are played with some weird lines across the screen? | 22:17 |
| lcuk2 | and -devel is just wild wild west, but have you actually found something that completely kills stuff? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: is there any site describing the somewhat obscure relations between maemo and nokia, hw and sw, finnland and US? | 22:17 |
| ShadowJK | afaik it's required for ectras apps to use /opt not / | 22:17 |
| lcuk2 | would be academic interest to know | 22:17 |
| ShadowJK | there's that 3d demo in -testing now that eats 40 megs in / or something ;) | 22:18 |
| ShadowJK | c something.. | 22:18 |
| lcuk2 | thats not completely killing things tho is it | 22:18 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, what's obscure? | 22:18 |
| GAN900 | Maemo Devices is a division in Nokia that develops Maemo and the hardware it runs on. | 22:19 |
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| lcuk2 | hola RevdKathy | 22:19 |
| RevdKathy | Hiya | 22:19 |
| RevdKathy | You saved my life last night - bet yo never even noticed | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: responsibilities and information flow between all those entities | 22:19 |
| lcuk2 | rly? how? :D | 22:19 |
| RevdKathy | the cold has taken out my outside light and I had to get down two flights of granite steps covered in black ice. | 22:20 |
| lcuk2 | yikes! | 22:20 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, Maemo Devices is just like any other department within a large company. | 22:20 |
| RevdKathy | That's when I remembered I had a torch on the device I was carrying round my neck... and got down safely | 22:20 |
| GAN900 | Are you perhaps confusing Maemo with maemo.org? | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: ooh. thanks for clarifying | 22:20 |
| lcuk2 | hurrah! | 22:20 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, only interesting thing is that they're an R&D division. | 22:21 |
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| * lcuk2 was singing baa baa black sheep last night o_O | 22:21 | |
| RevdKathy | The sheep on your liqbase video looks seasick from all that motion | 22:22 |
| RevdKathy | were you watching your fglocks by night? | 22:22 |
| lcuk2 | the rotation one? | 22:22 |
| RevdKathy | yeah - I reckon that sheep be turning green | 22:23 |
| lcuk2 | its so cool how they stay upright :D | 22:23 |
| RevdKathy | yes, it is :) | 22:23 |
| RevdKathy | very. very clever | 22:23 |
| lcuk2 | the sketches look like they are walking | 22:23 |
| RevdKathy | :D | 22:23 |
| RevdKathy | I look forward to sheep in our field doing that | 22:23 |
| lcuk2 | indeed, i needed rotating sketches | 22:24 |
| lcuk2 | for top down rotatability stuff | 22:24 |
| Raz | Anyone know if theres a way to skip back and forward in a video file when streaming on a local network? | 22:24 |
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| RevdKathy | can they not simply spin so they're facing 'nose down' with the acceleromoter? | 22:24 |
| lcuk2 | yes, now they could | 22:25 |
| lcuk2 | before last night i couldnt rotate them anyway | 22:25 |
| lcuk2 | ive had a little code comment in my program for months saying "//rotate here" but didnt put the code in | 22:25 |
| RevdKathy | ahhh so that was a big breakthrough! | 22:25 |
| RevdKathy | Great - well done! | 22:25 |
| * GAN900 sighs | 22:26 | |
| GAN900 | Sick for Christmas | 22:26 |
| lcuk2 | indeedy :D | 22:26 |
| lcuk2 | :( gan | 22:26 |
| Ceron | lcuk2: got any xmas presents for me? | 22:26 |
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| Ceron | maemo releated? | 22:26 |
| lcuk2 | you can have that one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q | 22:26 |
| RevdKathy | Oh no, GAN900 - what's up? | 22:26 |
| GAN900 | Sore throat | 22:27 |
| lcuk2 | if you want to optify the lib for me so i caor this one http://liqbase.net/liqflow.stars.test.20091224_018.jpg | 22:27 |
| GAN900 | Front end of a cold | 22:27 |
| lcuk2 | damn | 22:27 |
| RevdKathy | I had 'flu last Christmas - 1st time in 20 years I didn't work Christmas day | 22:27 |
| RevdKathy | oh that's rough | 22:27 |
| lcuk2 | ceron rather, or this one http://liqbase.net/liqflow.stars.test.20091224_018.jpg | 22:27 |
| GAN900 | 'least I'm not down with the flu! | 22:27 |
| RevdKathy | ecinacea and garlic | 22:27 |
| lcuk2 | GAN900, lemsip and early bed | 22:27 |
| RevdKathy | and lots and lots of whisky | 22:27 |
| lcuk2 | else santa wont come | 22:27 |
| GAN900 | Been gargling salt water | 22:27 |
| RevdKathy | Santa's been letting me down for years :( | 22:28 |
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| lcuk2 | santa comes every christmas | 22:28 |
| zerojay | GAN900: Be glad. I'm down with the flu. :/ | 22:28 |
| lcuk2 | but those damned teddy bears hide the evidence | 22:28 |
| RevdKathy | lucky ols Santa | 22:28 |
| Ceron | lcuk2: ;__; is that your drawed? | 22:28 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, N900 dead, flu for the holidays. | 22:28 |
| RevdKathy | You have 'flu, serojay? That;s rough | 22:28 |
| lcuk2 | Ceron, mmm the rotating sketches yeah | 22:28 |
| Ceron | very creative | 22:28 |
| zerojay | GAN900: Yep... the gifts keep coming. :) | 22:28 |
| lcuk2 | every sketch in liqbase can do it now, the calendar looks funky | 22:28 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, I'm beginning to think god hates you for being Canadian. :P | 22:28 |
| lcuk2 | liqflow with real stars is cool | 22:28 |
| Ceron | ever tought about selling it as art? D: | 22:29 |
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| zerojay | RevdKathy: I haven't worked since last Wednesday.. been over a week now. | 22:29 |
| Ceron | lcuk2: :D | 22:29 |
| RevdKathy | liqflow with stars??? | 22:29 |
| zerojay | GAN900: lol. I wanted to cry when I got that e-mail about PR1.1 testing from Daniel. | 22:29 |
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| lcuk2 | yeah kath | 22:29 |
| lcuk2 | http://liqbase.net/liqflow.stars.test.20091224_018.jpg | 22:29 |
| RevdKathy | oh Serojay, I am sorry. Flu is horrid. I had it last Christmas and was off for a fortnight | 22:29 |
| wazd | RevdKathy: shawty :) | 22:29 |
| lcuk2 | RevdKathy, thats just so you didnt have to go in work | 22:30 |
| celesteh | hey, i have a question about the n900. If I get one in the US, will it work in the UK on a UK network? | 22:30 |
| RevdKathy | Oh the stars!!!! Love it! | 22:30 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, ehehe | 22:30 |
| zerojay | I tried going to work yesterday because I felt better, but all my coworkers were running away from me at the office. lol | 22:30 |
| lcuk2 | RevdKathy, but it can be any sketch | 22:30 |
| zerojay | So I chased them around the office for 20 minutes before coming home. | 22:30 |
| lcuk2 | tho big ones go slow, i had christmas tress | 22:30 |
| RevdKathy | I love working Christmas - I missed the parties and the carol singing | 22:30 |
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| zerojay | The building I work in hired carollers. | 22:31 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, I also finally got tab on here. | 22:31 |
| RevdKathy | Zerojay - you aren't oinking, are you? Not grown a curly tail? | 22:31 |
| zerojay | Was nice... until they scared the living shit out of me in the food court and I dropped my pizza straight to the floor. | 22:31 |
| GAN900 | Ahaha | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | celesteh: yes | 22:31 |
| RevdKathy | Working for the hospital they don't thank you for turning in infectious - I got sent hom. | 22:32 |
| zerojay | They were only upstairs and stopped an hour before. They surrounded me and started and I almost pissed myself. | 22:32 |
| RevdKathy | waste of good pizza! zerojay | 22:32 |
| lcuk2 | person on the floor below was glas you didnt have an accident | 22:32 |
| zerojay | It was kind of funny hearing 9 people sing "we're sorrrrryyyyyy." | 22:32 |
| lcuk2 | glad | 22:33 |
| RevdKathy | LOL! | 22:33 |
| * lcuk2 lost an n900 earlier | 22:33 | |
| zerojay | Bad reflash or something, right? | 22:34 |
| lcuk2 | no, actually lost it | 22:34 |
| RevdKathy | 'lost'? You let it out alone and it couldn't find its way home? | 22:34 |
| lcuk2 | i couldnt find it | 22:34 |
| GAN900 | lcuk2, can you SSH in? :P | 22:34 |
| lcuk2 | GAN900, it was on hspa i didnt know the ip | 22:34 |
| zerojay | I lost a computer like that once. | 22:35 |
| GAN900 | lol | 22:35 |
| zerojay | Could SSH... didn't know where it was in my apartment though. | 22:35 |
| Shadikka | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/soundcard (whatever it actually is ) | 22:35 |
| lcuk2 | Shadikka, yeah | 22:35 |
| zerojay | Shadikka: That works wonders when the computer has a soundcard, sure. | 22:35 |
| Shadikka | haha :D | 22:35 |
| zerojay | I only ended up finding it when I moved out. | 22:36 |
| zerojay | Behind a dresser. | 22:36 |
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| RevdKathy | must have been a long way out from the wall | 22:37 |
| zerojay | No, it was a really slim box. | 22:38 |
| RevdKathy | Still - you'd think you'd have noticed | 22:38 |
| zerojay | Yeah, you'd think. | 22:39 |
| lcuk2 | everytime he opened the drawers he heard the windows chimes | 22:39 |
| zerojay | lol... haven't used windows at home in over 10 years. ;) | 22:39 |
| lcuk2 | must be dark in your house | 22:39 |
| frals | :D | 22:39 |
| frals | my sheevaplug has great potential to be physically lost | 22:39 |
| zerojay | lol | 22:39 |
| RevdKathy | I lose all sorts of things... but always know where the technology is | 22:40 |
| zerojay | I lose shit all the time. | 22:40 |
| zerojay | And I'm not very organized. | 22:41 |
| zerojay | Cleaning my stuff is like a treasure hunt... never know what I'll find. | 22:41 |
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| zerojay | My work desk had 4 PS2 games, 3 PSP games, the japanese PSP Go camera, two DS games and about a thousand pixelblocks when I cleaned out before my move to Halifax. | 22:43 |
| zash | pixelblocks=? | 22:43 |
| melmoth | last time i move house, in september, i was cleaning the main table where the computer is. on the bootom of a stack of paper, there was a "welcome to your new appartement" from the electricity company | 22:43 |
| zerojay | They're like little lego blocks but made specifically to reflect light. | 22:44 |
| zerojay | Let me show you an example or two. | 22:44 |
| * melmoth love stacks | 22:44 | |
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| zerojay | zash: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3274523690/ | 22:45 |
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| zerojay | The Mario ? block and Megaman on my desk there are made of the pixelblocks. I think I have a better pic somewhere. | 22:45 |
| zerojay | Oh, little Link is pixelblock also. | 22:46 |
| * lbt looks at his N900 contacts and calendar appointments on local syncml (egroupware) server and smiles :) | 22:46 | |
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| zash | zerojay: nice :D | 22:46 |
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| RevdKathy | ok, Time n900 and I recharged. Got a full and long day tomorrow - early start. | 22:52 |
| RevdKathy | G'night all | 22:52 |
| RevdKathy | And Merry Christmas!!!!! | 22:52 |
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| zerojay | nighty night | 22:54 |
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| tealbird | melmoth: I like stacks too, they're an integral part of most programs | 22:55 |
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| wepwpavictim | hello world | 22:58 |
| wepwpavictim | does maemo 5 support 26 character WEP keyed APs? | 22:58 |
| tealbird | Has anyone gotten esbox working on ubuntu karmic, for me it just hangs with an empty box | 22:59 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 23:01 |
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| LuciusMare | i wanted to download irreco, and i heard its in the "extras-devel" repo. How do enable it:? | 23:02 |
| lcuk2 | wepwpavictim, dunno, but by your nick it sounds like you have been trying to find out | 23:03 |
| lcuk2 | LuciusMare, the repository for extras-devel is configured the same way as extras, just with a different folder name. however there are other dodgy apps there, if you are after a specific thing, grab it and then re-disable your devel | 23:04 |
| wepwpavictim | lcuk2: i'm visiting a home | 23:04 |
| wepwpavictim | there's a computer which seems to think it's using wep to connect to a router | 23:04 |
| wepwpavictim | my n900 claims the same AP is WPA, not WEP | 23:05 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 23:05 |
| wepwpavictim | and when i give it the hex password (either all caps, or all lowercase), as written on the AP, and as shown by the web admin ui | 23:05 |
| wepwpavictim | it fails | 23:05 |
| wepwpavictim | i'm wondering if my n900 could be getting confused about WEP v. WPA | 23:05 |
| LuciusMare | and | 23:06 |
| LuciusMare | n900 has a fm transmitter, do i have to install any extra app? | 23:06 |
| lcuk2 | no | 23:06 |
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| lcuk2 | wepwpavictim, pass totally, never had anything odd wifi connection wise | 23:07 |
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| wepwpavictim | luciusmare: you control the transmitter from settings... | 23:08 |
| LuciusMare | ok | 23:08 |
| lcuk2 | also from the menu in media player | 23:08 |
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| LuciusMare | oh, and what is the ur. pf extras | 23:08 |
| jebba | anyone got a script for finding the biggest offenders in / ? | 23:09 |
| LuciusMare | what is the url of extras_devel? | 23:09 |
| Arkenoi | poorly optified packages hall of shame: bounce: 21Mb, vim: 24Mb!, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg: 10Mb, mplayer: 42Mb (omfg!) | 23:10 |
| wepwpavictim | odd, my other phone can't connect to this network either | 23:10 |
| AakashPatel | LuciusMare: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel | 23:10 |
| wepwpavictim | Arkenoi: write a package to fix those :) | 23:11 |
| Arkenoi | uqm-data: 11Mb | 23:11 |
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| LuciusMare | thx | 23:11 |
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| lcuk2 | yw | 23:12 |
| LuciusMare | and, one last thing, what is a good irc cliemt for maemo 5? | 23:12 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: You are wrong I think | 23:13 |
| AakashPatel | I'm wondering the same thing | 23:13 |
| ifreq | LuciusMare: xchat or irssi for starters | 23:13 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: bounce does not thake that much on / | 23:13 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, that's how kertan's script reports it | 23:13 |
| RST38h | check carefully something is wrong | 23:13 |
| LuciusMare | i guess that irssi is also in extras-devel... | 23:13 |
| GAN900 | Arkenoi, vim is optified as is uqm. | 23:15 |
| Hukka | LuciusMare: -testing | 23:15 |
| GAN900 | I believe Bounce is as well | 23:16 |
| RST38h | yes | 23:16 |
| Arkenoi | so it must be the script did not recognize it somehow | 23:16 |
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| GAN900 | mplayer hasn't even really been updated for Fremantle. | 23:16 |
| RST38h | why don't you write your own script? | 23:16 |
| RST38h | mplayer has been recently optified afaik | 23:16 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, just becasuse there already was one ;-) | 23:17 |
| LuciusMare | god... | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: which apparently did no work. | 23:17 |
| RST38h | not | 23:17 |
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| LuciusMare | so extras-testing? | 23:17 |
| Hukka | Yes | 23:17 |
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| Hukka | I'm thinking about working on an idle plugin for the comm framework, but have to see if I actually have any time for that | 23:18 |
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| Hukka | I'd really like to get notifications from irc, since 99.9% of my IM conversations happen there | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | I think I saw idle plugin in extras-devel | 23:19 |
| GAN900 | XChat | 23:19 |
| Hukka | ShadowJK: There is one, yes, but based on karma and comments it's completely broken | 23:19 |
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| frals | im really disliking this random delay my operator has on delivering SMS push messages... | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | And yeah, xchat is there too, but it crashes on settings... I think someone found a patch in fedora's repo or somewhere.. | 23:19 |
| Hukka | ShadowJK: Another thing is that the goal is to have a separate connection to irc anyway, which is a no go | 23:19 |
| lcuk2 | frals :D you found my youtube then | 23:20 |
| frals | aye, cool vid that was with the rotation | 23:20 |
| Hukka | Unfortunately unlike Jabber and skype, IRC doesn't really handle multiple devices using the same account at the same time... | 23:20 |
| frals | just checked twitter.. not watching it that closely :P | 23:20 |
| Hukka | So I need something that can work with irssi-proxy | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: notifications from IRC? rather simple with xchat | 23:20 |
| GAN900 | XChat | 23:20 |
| LuciusMare | holy... :O | 23:20 |
| ShadowJK | Hukka, I use xchat with irssi-proxy | 23:20 |
| LuciusMare | 67 percent / filled | 23:21 |
| Hukka | Premade irc clients can't really handle it as well as I'd like | 23:21 |
| LuciusMare | i have like three or five apps installed! | 23:22 |
| Hukka | The problem with plain irssi-proxy is of course that you see only the messages sent when you are online | 23:22 |
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| Hukka | You cannot access any backlog, unlike with integrated skype, jabber or email notifications | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: bip | 23:22 |
| wepwpavictim | odd, my mac connects and claims it is indeed wpa-personal | 23:22 |
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| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: That's new to me. I'll look into it, thanks | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | I think I tried using dircproxy to replay backlog on reconnect | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | But it didn't work out as well as I wanted it to | 23:23 |
| LuciusMare | is 67 percent of / filled a lot or not? | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not really | 23:24 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: Features seem to have what I need. Does it work in practice? | 23:24 |
| LuciusMare | m | 23:24 |
| LuciusMare | it scared me | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | needs a little work to accept time parameter to backlog command | 23:24 |
| LuciusMare | in case of fill-brick,will nokia replace my device? | 23:24 |
| Shadikka | Now that was nice ;P | 23:25 |
| Shadikka | Forgot to take my USB cable with me -> transferring files with Bluetooth | 23:25 |
| Shadikka | Around 80% of a 290Mt file, phail | 23:25 |
| Hukka | What about xchat, does it handle disconnections well? | 23:25 |
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| Hukka | I mean that if I simply cut the data packet connetion and later put it on, does xchat reconnect automatically? | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | I'm at 80% too | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | hm, dunno, I use openvpn to create an always-on path to my server | 23:26 |
| Hukka | ShadowJK: USB is dog slow anyway for me, wlan seems to be over 5 times faster | 23:26 |
| Hukka | ShadowJK: You keep your connection up always? | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 23:27 |
| Hukka | How many spare batteries do you have :? | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | I keep it on edge most of the time, it uses far less power than 3g | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | especially for irc | 23:27 |
| Hukka | How can you limit it? | 23:27 |
| lcuk2 | how do you force connection type? | 23:27 |
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| ShadowJK | setup -> phone -> network mode | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | connection must be down when you change it | 23:28 |
| Hukka | Oh | 23:28 |
| Hukka | Why make it so difficult *sigh* | 23:28 |
| Hukka | Seems like a trivial way to save power | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | indeed | 23:28 |
| LuciusMare | ... | 23:28 |
| Hukka | Hm, it has options of dual, 3g and gsm | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | at home my n900 automatically switches to my wlan, and all my APs do PSM nicely | 23:29 |
| LuciusMare | openssh client and vim does not seem to be optified at all | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | yeah gsm is better for irc | 23:29 |
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| Hukka | Does 3g mean that then it's not possible to use the phone? | 23:29 |
| lcuk | i do wifi anyway most of the time, it just might help when roaming the streets | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | Hukka, no you can still use the phone, as long as you are in 3G coverage | 23:30 |
| Hukka | Why is that option there at all? | 23:30 |
| Hukka | I mean what use is limiting only to 3g | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | Some people want to lock it to 3g for the better speeds | 23:30 |
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| Hukka | But surely in dual it uses 3g when available anyway | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | controlled by the operator | 23:31 |
| Hukka | So they only lock themselves out, if the signal is too bad | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | If there's weak 3g signal and strong gsm signal it might prefer gsm | 23:31 |
| Hukka | Hm, I see | 23:31 |
| Hukka | !! | 23:32 |
| Hukka | The damn thing rebooted on me, when I was changing settings | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | :( | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | how long have you had yours? | 23:32 |
| Hukka | Since 4. | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | cat /proc/bootreason when it's back up | 23:32 |
| Hukka | So 20 days | 23:33 |
| Hukka | sw_rst | 23:33 |
| ShadowJK | cat /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | or something like that.. | 23:34 |
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| LuciusMare | openssh client and vim does not seem to be optified at all | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | I know that openssh isn't optified for sure | 23:35 |
| Hukka | /usr/bin/ohm-session-agent: 1 /usr/bin/mafw-dbus-wrapper mafw-gst-renderer:1 /usr/sbin/browserd -d: 1 | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | I think that's restarts | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | they don't cause a reset | 23:36 |
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| Shadikka | I can only wonder... how long until somebody ports emacs? :P And secondly, how the _hell_ would you use it on a N900 (or any other phone for that matter) :D | 23:36 |
| Hukka | ShadowJK: Ah, correct | 23:36 |
| tealbird | I ported uemacs once | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | It might have been a kernel OOPS too, in that case /dev/mtd2ro (iirc) will contain the oops (followed by tons of NULLs) | 23:36 |
| Hukka | It tab-completed to that directly from the folder | 23:36 |
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| Hukka | So I don't know where I can see resets | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: is that dodcumented anywhere? | 23:38 |
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| Hukka | ShadowJK: Well, there's a stacktrace, but can't infer much from it | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer51, it was in the bugzilla bug regarding random reboots | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | kernel resets on oops, oops get stored in a rotating log in /dev/mtd2 | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: thanks for the pointer | 23:40 |
| RST38h | 23:40 | |
| ShadowJK | it should probably be one of hte top bugs if you check out the Bug Jar thread thingy on mailing list or forum :) | 23:40 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, hey how do I.. start things.. | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | i found the rom | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: duh how did you mamage THAT? | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 23:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah | 23:41 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: simply unpack the rom file to some directory | 23:41 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: and open it when starting colem | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know if the game started or not | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | Colecovision\nturn game off\before inserting cartridge\nor expansion module | 23:42 |
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| GAN900 | OK, RST38h, voted. | 23:43 |
| RST38h | Shadow: that is not started | 23:43 |
| RST38h | GAn: Thanks! | 23:43 |
| * ShadowJK is lost then :) | 23:43 | |
| RST38h | Shadow: You should have selected the rom file | 23:43 |
| RST38h | a moment | 23:43 |
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| * RST38h will put kevtris online | 23:43 | |
| ShadowJK | oh wait | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | I think I picked the zip accidentally ;) | 23:44 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: http://fms.komkon.org/Kevtris.rom.gz | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | so how do I press a button | 23:45 |
| RST38h | same as in all my other emulators | 23:45 |
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| RST38h | enable "Show Cues" and see | 23:45 |
| RST38h | keyboard will work too | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | I think I managed to hang a key :_) | 23:46 |
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| LuciusMare | hm | 23:47 |
| LuciusMare | irssi looks nice | 23:48 |
| LuciusMare | wait,change,nicks are white on white background | 23:48 |
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| ifreq | luciusmare, you know you can switch the xterminal colors too | 23:49 |
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| LuciusMare | ooh | 23:49 |
| ifreq | yellow/green on black is great :P | 23:49 |
| LuciusMare | how? | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | hm, making it live in /opt would be a pretty painless wouldn't it? Although it's only 250ish k | 23:49 |
| Hukka | Hmh, xchat didn't seem that nice | 23:49 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Both painless and useless I am afraid | 23:50 |
| Hukka | I don't get any notifications, even when I return to the xchat window | 23:50 |
| ifreq | hukka yeah but its nice for fast access if not using ssh/irc/screen | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | useless? | 23:50 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: It is pretty tiny | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | every bit helps ;) | 23:50 |
| Hukka | ifreq: I have an icon on my desktop, that opens irssi from the server... | 23:50 |
| Hukka | But that doesn't autoconnect or anything, when I'm online | 23:50 |
| Hukka | I'd like notifications like I get from skype | 23:51 |
| ifreq | hukka, so why testin xchat then :P | 23:51 |
| Hukka | Vibration and everything | 23:51 |
| Hukka | ifreq: Someone said it works for them :) | 23:51 |
| Hukka | I thought that there's at least a visual notification somehow | 23:51 |
| ifreq | LuciusMare: on open xterm, tap Xterminal on top. choose font | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: huh? which notifications? | 23:51 |
| ifreq | change bg and fg | 23:51 |
| Hukka | And I could have skimped on the vibration, if I get close enough without any work | 23:51 |
| ifreq | ifreq> LuciusMare: on open xterm, tap Xterminal on top. choose font | 23:52 |
| ifreq | and change colours | 23:52 |
| * ShadowJK clicks the thumbs up and nothing happens | 23:52 | |
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| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: Something that makes me go to the window. Even a big notification that's visible on window changer would work | 23:52 |
| ifreq | hrr | 23:52 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: probably needs you to log in or something | 23:53 |
| Hukka | Buuuut, I guess I'll still keep the idle plugin on my todo list, hoping that somebody makes a good one sooner than later :) | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah it did that. Then it dumped me back to the page. Then I click the thumbs up and nothing happens | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: I have a beep and vibrator set up for all notification evens configured in .xchat2/notifyer or sth like that | 23:53 |
| * RST38h facepalms at maemo.org | 23:53 | |
| ShadowJK | I mean, firefox doesn't even react to the click | 23:54 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: Oh wow. That sounds good | 23:54 |
| RST38h | shadowjk: reload | 23:54 |
| * RST38h reloads | 23:54 | |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: How can you make it vibrate, an external command or is there device support in xchat? | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | external cmd | 23:55 |
| RST38h | actually, even shift+reload | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | I did that, no change | 23:55 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: Where can I find reference on that kind of utilities? | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | I disabled javascript, and did another shift-reload, and a heart icon appeared below the thumbs up, and report icons appeared next to comments.. heh | 23:56 |
| Hukka | Might be useful to know what else I can do to the device from command line | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | I clicked the heart. Dunno what it does, and maemo.org hasn't replied yet :-) | 23:56 |
| RST38h | weird crap...maybe try with..heheh...IE? =) | 23:57 |
| ifreq | organ testament | 23:57 |
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| ShadowJK | oh it was add to favourite | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, it'd take me a few days to get a XP/Vista/whatever disc shipped and installed? | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=433355#post433355 | 23:58 |
| RST38h | <cackle> | 23:58 |
| Shadikka | Alternative Routes of Obtainment (tm) | 23:58 |
| Shadikka | I mean, like a MSDN membership or such *nodnod* | 23:58 |
| Shadikka | or Dreamspark if you happen to be a student. | 23:59 |
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| ShadowJK | I'm not | 23:59 |
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