IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-12-23

Gadgetoid_n900screen sharing teehee00:00
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gadgetoid_n810the n810 has the same problem as  the n900- one sided function key00:02
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gadgetoid_n810123!"@¥^~ all require a strech00:03
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Gadgetoid_n900but the n900 is narrow enough to make only 1*£ problematic00:04
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Gadgetoid_n900plus all the common symbols are on the right00:04
oscillikerm, is anyone having a bug on their N900 where their Nokia Messaging account just disappears for no reason?00:09
oscillikit's the second time today that it's happened00:09
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aSIMULAtorseen lcuk00:09
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aSIMULAtor.seen lcuk00:09
aSIMULAtor!seen lcuk00:09
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wazd~seen lcuk00:09
infobotlcuk <i=lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 16m 7s ago, saying: 'zerojay, *rolleyes* because 1 mail gets dropped, just ask again.  theres 100000001 other things the guys are doing'.00:09
aSIMULAtorthanks :)00:10
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wazdyw :)00:10
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aSIMULAtoryay holiday \o/00:12
SpeedEvil np: Madonna - Holiday.00:13
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amrhmm.. any reason why touch screen click sounds have stopped working?00:17
amri flashed my n810 yesterday00:17
awwaiidGreetings Maemoians!00:19
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mgedminamr, check your sound settings00:21
amri did, theyre on :p00:21
amrhavent changed them since i flashed it00:21
mgedminmaybe check the volume control?00:21
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amralso on max00:21
amrsounds working00:21
amrkeyboard sounds work00:21
gadgetoid_n810did you flash it with the less annoying firmware?00:22
amrmusic works00:22
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amrpardon? i just flashed it using the standard nokia firmware00:22
amrit WAS working yesterday00:22
amrjust noticed now it isnt working today00:22
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loppear1amr: touchscreen clicks or vibration?00:22
amrtouchscreen clicks00:22
amrthe n810 doesnt vibrate00:22
amrgonna give it a reboot00:22
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VDVsxX-Fade, something happening with the TI emulator in maemo5 downloads00:23
gadgetoid_n810congrats.... its now 25% less annoying00:23
VDVsxseems the lardman bug :D00:23
amri miss the clicks!00:23
amri usuall turn them off, but i miss them now i dont have the option :p00:23
derfTI emulator?00:23
derfOh, the calculator.00:23
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derfI was thinking DSP.00:24
amrah success, theyre back00:24
VDVsxderf, did you noticed that lardman is always in the front page of ? :D00:25
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derfI'm not sure I've ever visited the front page of
pupnikthe classic black theme on t.m.o is beautiful.  did reggie do all that?00:25
VDVsxseems that the emulator got the same status00:25
gadgetoid_n810you can't be saved!00:27
gadgetoid_n810hmm.. my battery seemed to drain dry during sleep00:27
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amralso, does rtcomm work for msn anymore?00:28
amrthrough telepathy-haze00:29
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Ceronprehistoric dj00:33
aSIMULAtorhehe awesome00:35
meceI like the fat stalin look-a-like :)00:36
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JaffaVDVsx: Is he *still* on the frontpage? I thought he was less random now ;-)00:49
VDVsxJaffa, nah, lardman is the boss ;)00:49
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VDVsxJaffa, btw, do you've any py2deb knowledge ?00:50
JaffaVDVsx: Nope00:50
VDVsxme neither00:50
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VDVsxwas trying to help this guy:
Corsachmhm, did someone manage to do something with the “Transfer & Sync” interface in settings?00:51
VDVsxbut I never used py2deb00:51
Corsacno device seem to be detected even with my laptop having bluetooth on00:51
VDVsxCorsac, yes, transfer all my stuff from my S60 to the n90000:52
VDVsxcalendar + notes + contacts00:53
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Corsachmhm, weird00:58
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superdumpi'm having an issue with my n900 with apt01:26
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superdumpi have the current public software releases with the extras repository enabled01:26
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superdumpapt-cache search feedservice gives no results for me but does for someone else with the exact same repositories01:26
superdumpi can't install Ap News as a result01:26
superdumpas it depends on feedservice-plugin-ap01:27
superdumpwhich cannot be found01:27
superdumpon my n900, but can on the other person's01:27
superdumpsimilarly the mirror app depends on gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra01:27
superdumpwhich also cannot be found01:27
woglindedid you run apt-get update?01:27
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fnordianslippersthe repos update ok? you have spelled frematle correctly ?01:28
superdumpthese are both in the nokia-applications explicit armel repository according to maemo.org01:28
superdumpmy apt-cache policy:01:28
* SpeedEvil1 spent ages wondering why it diddn't work with freemantle01:28
superdumpmy /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list01:29
superdumpdeb ./01:29
superdumpdeb ./01:29
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superdumpdeb fremantle free non-free01:29
superdump(sorry for the volume of messages)01:29
superdumpwe wondered if maybe the apt cache was busted, so i cleared that out and re-apt-get update01:30
superdumpstill the same01:30
fnordianslipperstry a dnslookup for the repo url on the device01:30
* VDVsx amuses with orangebox's thread, ha ha :)01:31
fnordianslippersi had a timeout issue using my routers dns cache that was resolved by poiting the n900 at my isp's dns01:31
VDVsxwoglinde, its the name of the troll01:31
woglindeI thought it were about the orange maemo www theme01:32
superdumpfnordianslippers: nope, i can ping it fine01:32
fnordianslippersoh well.01:33
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VDVsxsuperdump, check if there's something in the app manager logs after updating using the app itself01:35
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superdumpVDVsx: i don't think there was but i'll check01:36
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superdumpand apt-get update succeeds just fine in rootsh01:36
superdump(only running one at a time of course)01:37
VDVsxsuperdump, so the problem is only the nokia repository isn't ?01:37
VDVsxextras works fine01:37
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superdumpi'm not sure, but the dependencies that are missing are from nokia01:38
superdumpso i guess so01:38
superdumpi have installed things from extras01:39
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woglindesuperdump mabyee somone forgot to promote the package01:39
superdumpbut it shows in other people's apt-cache01:40
VDVsxcan be a problem with the stupid hash key needed for that repo, but a update should also give errors01:40
woglindegood nite01:40
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jebbaany sbdmock folks around? Or pythoners?  debian lenny has no python-pip ...01:42
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superdumpVDVsx: well, a bit earlier a mozilla fennec repo was complaining about a gpg key01:43
superdumpi don't know if that's related...01:43
superdumpthere are no errors for the nokia repos though01:43
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VDVsxsuperdump, gpg key is a common error, happens a lot in extras-testing also01:45
VDVsxwell, the repos can be down, did you tried to download the apps in the other phone ?01:45
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superdumpi'll see01:47
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jaek__hmm xchat ui sucks01:48
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jaek__but at least it works01:49
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AakashPatelis it normal on the n900 to hear a slighty scratchy noise when using the unlock switch?01:50
superdumpanother example - i can't install bounce evolution from maemo select01:52
Proteoushace you been playing with your n900 in the sandbox again?01:53
amr23:48 <jaek__> hmm xchat ui sucks <- indeed01:53
amrits terrible01:54
jaek__it is fine for a desktop01:54
AakashPatelyeah i think all they did was cross comipile it lol01:54
jaek__but it doesnt translate well to touch01:54
AakashPatelcan i change the background color of the teminal?01:54
ml-maemothe xchat UI could easily be worse01:54
amrbut it could also easily but a lot better01:55
jaek__can you map escape to a hardware key?01:55
jaek__the toolbar on the terminal sucks01:56
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jaek__i'd like a real fullscreen terminal01:56
AakashPateldang it01:56
AakashPatelthere was an article i saw yesterday01:56
jaek__maemo also needs to intergrate vpn like NM does01:57
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jaek__vpn management with NM is sooo nice01:58
jebbagcobb: you got a sample maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel.cfg  I can use for sbdmock ?01:58
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timeless_mbpJaffa: i need a shoulder to cry on02:01
jebbaanyone using sbdmock with fremantle?  :)    FWIW, i built python-pip for lenny if anyone needs it02:02
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jaek__man i need a hardware tab key02:04
jaek__this keyboard really isnt good for using it as an X terminal02:04
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SpeedEvilslide in from the left of the screen should do it.02:05
timeless_mbpctrl-t ?02:05
SpeedEvil(it doesn't)02:05
SpeedEviljaek__: what about the on-screen-tab?02:05
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timeless_mbpjaek__: i've had no trouble using the onscreen tab02:06
timeless_mbpas hit targets go, it's bigger than a normal key02:06
SpeedEvilI'd like to lose the onscreen tab, and have a few gestures - but...02:09
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timeless_mbpyeah, because interfering with scrolling and selection and clicking into links are such great ideas02:10
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jaek__yeah i dont want to resort to using onscreen soft keys02:12
SpeedEvilpersonally, clicking into links isn't that valuable to me, and I'd generally prefer pgup/down to scrolly02:13
SpeedEvilAnd yes, of course the proper response is to make my own term.02:13
SpeedEvilBut meh.02:13
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jaek__pssh battery barely lasts a day02:14
jaek__anyways ill be back later to whine some more02:14
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* SpeedEvil is annoyed he's broken another laptop.02:14
SpeedEvildropped while open, fractured case.02:15
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timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: next time, get a mac :)02:17
SpeedEvilthey're drop-proof?02:18
SpeedEvilI'll be repairing this one, with the help of ebay.02:19
SpeedEvilIf I can't get warranty work done free.02:19
SpeedEvilBought from ebay.02:19
timeless_mbpGAN900: ping l10n02:19
* timeless_mbp looks for a brit02:19
sp3000why does that leave me thingking what you'll get when you cross a penguin and a lion02:20
sp3000thinking even02:20
timeless_mbpsp3000: so, the clock backup scripts rock02:20
timeless_mbpthe .conf file is a "settings" thing02:20
sp3000they rock the clock?02:20
timeless_mbpand the .sh file is a "comm_and_cal" thing02:20
timeless_mbpso if you only backup one or the other02:21
timeless_mbpsay goodbye to  your alarms02:21
* SpeedEvil is from Scotland.02:21
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: yes?02:21
timeless_mbpoh, that might do02:21
timeless_mbpwell, it saves on cpu cycles for the backup :)02:22
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* sp3000 thinks he knows what you get when you cross a lion, preiod02:22
sp3000and that02:22
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sp3000so I think the correct answer must be that when you cross a lion and a penguin, what you get is -- a head start02:24
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jebbaon builder:02:28
jebbaFailed to fetch  Could not connect to ( - connect (111 Connection refused)02:28
AakashPatelLooks like its down02:29
jebbai can't believe there are zero responses to my mirror thread i started in t.m.o community.  Seems like a really basic thing to do.02:30
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Venomrushapplication manager been giving operation error all day yesterday02:34
Venomrushstill doing it now02:34
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timeless_mbpsp3000: maybe i'm wrong02:34
Venomrushwas told it's something to do with extras-testing being down02:34
Maceri am installing the xp services for unix02:34
Macerjust for nfs support in xp :)02:34
Macersamba goes like way too slow over the tethered vpn02:34
superdumpVDVsx: the solution was to clear out /var/lib/apt/lists02:35
superdumpthen mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial02:35
superdumpthen apt-get update02:35
superdumpsomething went wrong with apt i guess02:36
superdumpthought it was up to date but wasn't actually02:36
timeless_mbpsp3000: ok, i'm wrong02:36
superdumpthought you'd like to know in case anyone else complains about it too :)02:36
timeless_mbpthe alarms are exclusively in the calendar set02:36
timeless_mbpand are covered by 'alarmd.conf' not 'clockd.conf'02:36
* timeless_mbp sighs02:37
* timeless_mbp goes to fix a string02:37
VDVsxsuperdump, well, you're supposed to use the app manager not apt-get :p02:37
VDVsxsuperdump, I also had problems with the cache, but can't reproduce them in order to report a bug02:37
superdumpof course, but it's probably some corner case in apt that is unusual and has happened to be triggered02:38
pupnikfeature suggestion for t.m.o: ignore posts and threads from members j who joined after any particular date, with a positive list for exceptions02:39
timeless_mbppupnik: or you could be like me and say "what's that?"02:40
timeless_mbpand ignore anyone who answers :)02:40
timeless_mbpbut yeah, probably a good idea02:40
pupniknot fully serious :)02:40
pupnikjust fun to imagine02:41
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mikhaspupnik, are you sure you cant write a greasemonkey script for that? the posts all have the "member since ..." thingy02:42
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timeless_mbpmikhas: i'd imagine it's doable, he's probably too lazy to02:43
timeless_mbpi know i would be02:43
timeless_mbpthey could be nice and add some html classes so that one could use css instead :)02:44
pupniktss time..02:44
Macerxp home doesn't let you install services for unix02:48
Macerwhat a bunch of crap :)02:48
fnordianslippersSFU is pretty crappy anyway02:49
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Macerfnordianslippers: yeah but it's teh only way to use nfs embedded into xp isn't it?02:51
Maceror is there something else i can use?02:51
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Macerliek some cygwin crap?02:53
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Macerblah. it's ok. i found a hack to install it heh02:53
Macerhave to download some sdk crap and edit stuff in order to get it installed02:53
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Macerms has the sdk split into like 10 cabs instead of one install app :) awesome02:54
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timeless_mbpMacer: multiple cabs are useful at times02:55
timeless_mbpjust like multiple .deb's are02:55
fnordianslippersMacer, yep, i guess. you putting an nfs server on xp? i found setting up the accounts a real PITA02:55
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Macerfnordianslippers: it isn't that bad03:07
Macerthe biggest problem is just setting up the maps03:07
Maceronce you are done with that its' pretty straight forward03:07
Maceronly problem is that now i have to install something just to get the sfu stuff to install in xp home.. know what. screw that. i will just install debian or something on the laptop when i get home as long as it can connnect to an adhoc network with the wifi connection03:07
Macerthen connect to the vpn using debian heh.. if you can even connect to pptp vpn servers with debian. i've never tried it03:08
Macerif that doesn't work i will just install win7 on this thing if i can.. not sure how well win7 runs on aspire103:09
Macertime to ditch xp heh03:09
fnordianslippersits always a good time for that :)03:10
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fnordianslippersyou could try crumchbang. it is great on my Eee 90103:12
fnordianslippersone day I'll get that right03:13
fnordianslippers s/crumchbang/crunchbang/03:14
Macerblah ;) i will just go ahead and install win7 on it.. actually i might try debian first03:16
Macerbut ti's kind of important that the adhoc wifi works which is usually a problem with linux wifi drivers03:16
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Macerlike 90% of which use ndiswrapper or some crazy crap since wifi manufacturers are asses :)03:16
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fnordianslippersonly ever tried it on my mac. have used bt pan instead usually03:18
Macerfnordianslippers: i should try to figure out the bt stuff with the G103:18
Macernever could get it to work. plus i don't think the aspire1 build in bt03:18
Macermy mb does but i usually don't carry that thing around much03:18
fnordianslippersthe n800 didn't play well with adhoc.03:19
* fnordianslippers carries a mbpro 17", eee901 and n900 now03:19
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lantiziaHey... so maemo is open and that which is handy... does this mean there is a way I can make my own firmware image that's exactly like the current one but with a bigger rootfs partitioned?03:22
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Maceri need to get a mini display port to vga adapter for my macbook03:22
Macerwtf apple.. couldn't just put a damn vga port on the mb? :)03:22
Maceri was just going to use it as a desktop .. i hardly ever lug that heavy ass thing around anymore03:22
Maceri got it like a year ago and after using the aspire 1 realized how much of a pain it is to lug it around03:22
* ml-maemo punches vim03:23
fnordianslippersu should try a 17". with the dvi output hooked up to hdmi on my 42" hdtv its pretty cool.03:23
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ml-maemoanyone figured out how to get vim to properly respond to the arrow and enter keys?03:24
ali1234use vi instead?03:25
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zashMacer: if they atleast could have put a real displayport and not invent a new port03:26
SpeedEvillantizia: rootfs is on a 256M device - so not that way03:27
SpeedEvillantizia: and maemo is not open - solely - it has closed components03:27
ml-maemoali1234: the busybox vi is worse03:27
lantiziaI've heard there is not 2 devices... there's 103:27
lantiziaand 256mb is just a partition03:27
ali1234ml-maemo: it works for me?03:28
SpeedEvillantizia: no, it's not.03:28
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SpeedEvillantizia: there is a seperate chip with the rootfs on03:28
lantiziaSpeedEvil: how big is the chip?03:28
lantiziaso where is swap and /home ?03:28
SpeedEvilon the 32g mmc03:28
lantiziaas is mydocs?03:28
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SpeedEvilall but /03:29
lantiziaok can I make a new mmc image that has /home bigger than 2gb?03:29
lantiziaa more even split between /home and mydocs03:29
ml-maemothere we go. even got syntax highlightimg going03:29
lantiziado you know how I can go about that?03:29
lantiziaI have my /usr on /home/usr (using a bind mount on startup - that works brilliantly by the way)... but I'm filling up /home now lol03:30
T7gI told you, repartition :p03:30
lantiziaI don't want to do it your way03:30
lantiziaYour way leaves the USB port unusable03:31
T7gYou already did it my way, lol!03:31
T7gthat's just the other part of my way03:31
T7gbut in your defense, I haven't did a bind mount yet but I have thought about it.03:31
lantiziaSpeedEvil: is there a tool for creating the eemmc images?03:31
ali1234the easiest way is to make a loopback image in mydocs and mount that on /usr instead03:31
lantiziaT7g: you didn't think of it first, earlier in that afternoon I had proposed it03:31
lantiziaI've been using bind mounts for years03:32
lantiziabut back on topic... a new eemmc image?03:32
T7gAs far as I know you're out of luck on that03:32
T7gJebba did link me to something though that was an open source flasher and I read something about it taking apart the images maybe?03:32
ali1234i think the flasher tool can pack/unpack images03:32
lantiziaali1234: loop backs are even slower03:32
ali1234yeah well you can't have everything03:32
ali1234loopbacks actually aren't that much slower03:33
lantiziaif I mount the eemmc on a PC... can't I just use cfdisk on it and rearrange it?>03:33
T7gnot lant, because you can't unmount /home while the device is on03:33
ali1234no because it only exports mydocs partition, not home03:33
lantiziatake the eemmc out? lol03:33
T7glisten, you can connect it via usb lant- with the patition switch03:34
T7gbut you're doublemounting a live filesystem, which works but not _reliably_03:34
lantiziaI already know that and thats exactly why I don't want to do it03:34
ali1234you probably can unmount home actually, if you stop all the gui without triggering a reboot03:34
T7gWell then to answer your question, no, you can't take the emmc out, you'd have to edit the reflasher image03:34
ali1234also you can mount it read only which should be safe03:35
lantiziaSpeedEvil: you have said it _is_ possible to make another eemmc image thats rearranged differently03:35
lantiziaso I'm guessing you've got at least a tip on where to start03:35
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T7gthe tip is the flasher program03:36
T7gwe think the closed or open source ones might be able to unpack and then repack an image for you03:36
lantiziathe flasher program does whatever the instructions in the image file is03:36
ali1234./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -u03:36
ali1234unpacks the image03:37
lantiziaand the image file is nothing more than 3 partitions?03:37
lantiziaext2, ext2, swap perhaps?03:37
T7gtry it? :P03:38
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T7gthen you can enlighten us as well, I was wondering myself.03:39
ali1234the image file is weird03:39
ali1234once extracted, i can loop mount it, but it is all mess up03:39
lantiziaok downloading the emmc image file03:39
lantizianow... off my original (from factory) emmc I know I need to rescue map stuff... is there anything else?03:40
ali1234so it probably contains multiple partitions03:40
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lantiziais there anyway the 256mb can just be used at /boot ?03:41
lantiziaand put / on the emmc?03:41
ali1234lantizia: all this stuff is possible03:42
lantiziaok any clues where the bloody boot loader is?03:42
ali1234probably on the first page of nand?03:42
lantiziaso nothing with a nice config file then? lol03:42
ali1234i doubt it03:43
lantiziaanyone succeeded in any of this?03:43
ali1234dont think so03:43
lantizialets say 15gb for / (including /home) then the rest is MyDocs and swap03:44
lantiziathen the special 256mb chip is just for booting the kernel03:44
lantiziaperfect idea no?! :D03:44
ali1234i should point out that all this has been done on the n800 etc03:44
lantiziaright so it's only a matter of time?03:44
ali1234there it is entirely possible to move root onto the mmc card03:44
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ali1234yes, it's a matter of how much time and effort you're willing to put into doing it03:44
T7gIt's just waiting for a group of people or a single person that knows how to do it and gets it setup.03:44
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T7gand then everyone will have the reflasher image for it most likely.03:45
lantiziathe sad thing is... theres less space for apps on this thing than on my E5103:45
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T7gWell people have only been getting shipped units for about a month now03:45
T7gIt takes a while to hit the ground running on new devices.03:46
pupnikwhy does building everythign complain about missing quilt - i forgot what i did to fix that03:46
ali1234install quilt?03:46
pupnikdoesn't seem to be avail03:47
lantiziaali1234: I got the image mounted03:47
pupnikwtf there it is03:48
ali1234it's in the sdk03:48
lantiziaali1234: all I see is the MyDocs part03:48
T7g<ali1234> once extracted, i can loop mount it, but it is all mess up03:48
ali1234lantizia: yes, do you see the example videos? because i don't03:48
lantiziano they're not there03:48
lantizianot supposed to be tho03:48
ali1234they're there after you flash it onto the device03:48
lantiziathis is a developers vanilla emmc... vids didn't exist03:48
lantizianeither do the maps that come with your n90003:48
ali1234why is is 200 odd mb then?03:49
lantiziabecause most of it is empty03:49
T7ghow about just figuring out what the hell chooses to export mmcblk0p1 and see if that's modifyable?03:49
ali1234well, here's the thing. i have flashed that image, and i have all the demo files03:49
T7gThat way you do repartition trick and everything works. That's really the only thing stopping the trick from working.03:49
T7gthe flasher flashes in stages I think03:49
T7gI think there is a seperate image for the video files03:50
lantizialantizia@ares ~/Desktop $ file mmc03:51
lantiziammc: x86 boot sector, mkdosfs boot message display03:51
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T7git's an arm machine though...03:52
oscillikis anyone having any trouble with Nokia Messaging at the moment on their N900?03:52
ali12341. file isn't foolproof03:53
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ali12342. it's a usb disk, somebody might try to boot from it03:53
Diseasehi o/03:53
lantiziaali1234: your size comes from that many user guides03:53
lantiziaI don't think the flasher has extracted nothing more than MyDocs... nothing else03:53
ali1234lantizia: user guides which are not visible when the image is loop mounted03:53
lantiziathere aren't multiple partitions in the mmc file03:53
ali1234yeah, it looks that way03:54
lantiziaali1234: yes they are... they're in .documents03:54
ali1234so they are03:54
ali1234the videos are there too03:54
ali1234in .videos03:54
lantizia227M of files03:55
Diseaseare there a french chan please ?03:55
lantiziaso the flasher isn't showing us everything when extracting03:55
T7gunfortunately not that I know of, disco_stu03:55
lantiziaor the vanilla emmc doesn't come with the instructions for swap or /home03:55
T7gI mean, Disease03:55
lantiziabut then... /home is empty and so is swap03:55
ali1234mmc = 246950912 bytes03:55
ali1234image = 24695128803:56
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Diseasethere are #maemo-fr but it is empty :/03:56
ali1234that's only 376 bytes of header03:56
ali1234so i think the mmc image just doesn't contain the other partitions03:56
lantiziaI doubt the instructions on the partitioning of the emmc is in there03:56
lantiziaI think it must be hard coded into the flasher03:56
T7gI kinda doubt that...03:57
ali1234or maybe it doesn't actually repartition anything03:57
ali1234maybe it just writes onto the partitions as they are03:57
lantiziaso if I make a file in /home then flashing this will mean it stays there?03:57
ali1234no, it gets wiped03:57
lantiziano that makes no sense... /home/opt is there03:57
ali1234but i'm not sure if it gets wiped when you flash rootfs or mmc03:58
lantiziaand it gets wiped with a vanilla emmc flash03:58
lantiziaa rootfs flash keeps /home/opt03:58
T7git should keep all of home though...03:58
lantiziayes exactly03:59
T7gbecause /home is it's own partition03:59
lantiziaI'm using /home/opt as an example03:59
T7gbut nothing in /home is kept?03:59
T7gor /home/user?03:59
lantiziayes it is kept03:59
T7gI know you've reflashed quite a bit03:59
lantiziawhen rootfs is flashed /home isn't touched04:00
T7gOkay, then yeah, the flasher isn't touching the partition table in theory04:00
T7gI think that's why the system autogenerates it's own fstab04:00
lantiziayour settings, conversations, software in /home/opt all remains04:00
lantiziaso if the vanilla emmc doesn't have a partition table... or instructions on how to format the other "zones"... and the rootfs flash isn't doing it04:00
lantiziathen it must be hard wired into flasher-3.504:00
T7gwell, no, it can still touch the table i guess but not touching anything past what it is supposed to flash04:00
ali1234it's either built into the flasher, or built into the bootloader parts that talk to the flasher04:01
T7gI really doubt it's hard wired, I think it's how it flashes04:01
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ali1234well, if you're feeling bored, you can sniff the usb traffic and see how it works04:02
lantiziaor.... get maemo 5 to export the entire emmc device... not just one partition04:02
lantiziathen use a PC to dig around04:02
ali1234or extract a copy of the bootloader and disassemble it04:02
lantiziaI'm sure maemo won't have too much of a seisure without /home lol04:03
lantiziaif you can get access to the real onboard MMC device, then you can repartition it normally!04:03
ali1234or you can install fdisk etc on the phone, and repartition it from there04:03
lantiziaaha! even better04:03
lantiziacfdisk is in the repo's ?04:04
T7gsfdisk is pre-installed man04:05
T7ghow is cfdisk going to help?04:05
lantiziacfdisk doesn't show any partitions on the 32gb04:05
T7gsfdisk then04:06
lantiziasfdisk moans its in use04:06
T7git uses sfdisk to generate the fstab in /etc/rcS-late I think.04:06
T7gyou just type sfdisk04:06
lantiziaat least cfdisk shows me whats there04:06
lantiziawait theres a force flag04:07
T7gyou're simply not using it right, that's all. I used sfdisk to modify the partition table of my entirely live n90004:07
lantiziahe's got it04:07
lantiziaso MyDocs is at the start!04:07
lantiziaperhaps it's at the end of that mmc file after all04:08
T7ghe did the part switch04:08
T7gwell wait, no :p04:09
lantiziaok when I... tail mmc04:09
lantizia�������home/opt/0000755000000000000000000000000011263315216007476 5ustar04:09
lantiziaa definite reference to /home/opt there04:09
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lantiziawhich proves its more than just MyDocs in that file04:09
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lantiziaare we agreed?04:10
T7gyeah possible, you just need to clip that loopback image then04:10
T7ghow big is it btw?04:10
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oscilliki think Nokia Messaging is dead04:11
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T7gwhen you mount the loopback how big does df -h say it is?04:12
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T7gthat's totally wrong though04:13
lantiziayeah a wacky number04:13
luke-jr_T7g: why?04:13
T7gluke-jr_, you're saying it's just a sparse file? shouldn't it know how big it can get?04:13
luke-jr_lantizia: you really don't want to treat MMC as a straight out block device like that04:14
T7gI can agree that yes, it could be a sparse file but the partition table should still tell it the extents of the disk even if it's not written04:14
pupnikmake[1]: *** No rule to make target `../../GNU.TXT', needed by `all-am'.  Stop.04:14
T7gwell for one the 256mb thing could be it'w own chip.04:14
luke-jr_T7g: I have no idea what file you're talking about, but content size can very well be larger than image size04:14
lantiziaT7g: it is04:15
T7gluke-jr_, we're speaking of an unpacked flasher image04:15
lantizialuke-jr_: if you don't know what file we are working on that your advice isn't likely to be helpful04:15
luke-jr_lantizia: because NAND goes bad quickly and thus generally needs some kind of wear levelling on top of it04:15
pupnikwahaa it compiles, it compiles, it compiles04:15
lantizialuke-jr_: this isn't NAND04:15
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luke-jr_[20:03:39] <lantizia> if you can get access to the real onboard MMC device, then you can repartition it normally!04:15
luke-jr_that's what my response was to04:16
luke-jr_oops, MMC  not NAND04:16
ali1234yes, that's true04:16
T7glets not argue semantics guys, it's slows down the process :p04:16
lantizialook everyone.... this unpacked mmc file is _clearly_ the MyDocs partition... and a slither of code at the bottom defines the other 2 partitions04:16
lantiziaany ideas how we can recode it?04:16
lantizia"file" claims it's of type... x86 boot sector, mkdosfs boot message display04:17
ali1234beats me04:17
lantiziawhat handles those files04:17
ali1234an x86 bios04:17
lantiziawell it's just a block device then basically04:18
ali1234file is only seeing the fat partition04:18
ali1234just like mount is only seeing a fat partition04:18
lantiziawell it's 2am and I need sleep04:18
lantiziawill pick up this another time04:18
lantiziainteresting stuff tho :D04:18
lantizianight night folks! thanks for everyones input04:19
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T7gSo I take it noone is doing a super detailed battery widget? I was thinking with all the info exported over dbus it wouldn't be hard to make a very indepth battery widget. Perhaps make it update every thirty minutes or so, keep running average on power used per hour, power per hour since turned on, etc.04:24
T7gDoes the n900 do python widgets and are there any examples of a python widget that stands out in anyone's mind?04:31
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luke-jr_if anyone sees lantizia... "file"s "x86 boot sector" means there's a partition table04:33
luke-jr_so it's an image of /dev/sda (for example), not /dev/sda104:33
luke-jr_to loop-mount it, he needs -o offset=some-magic-offset04:33
T7gWe'll let him know, perhaps ali will give it a shot since he is probably readin it04:34
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go1dfishT7g: it's possible to do a python widget, I don't recall any examples though04:35
go1dfishT7g: a few weeks back screwing around, I had a python widget that was just a gtk button...04:36
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go1dfishthat imported pyside and launched a QWebView04:36
go1dfishI was quite surprised that it worked at all04:36
T7gI just want to do a tiny amount of text display. I'm thinking a battery widget could help a lot of n900 users that suffer the wifi bug or from retarded cpu hog apps/widgets.04:37
T7gI'm kinda ocd and I've been paying attention to the battery a lot lately and I think if people were more aware of how many mAh they draw an hour or how many mV they lose that they might have a better idea of what is killing their battery.04:39
ali1234indeed, there is a MBR and partition table, but it is all zeroed04:39
T7gkeep records of peak highs, peak lows, could really help us understand the n900 power consumption situation a lot better.04:39
ali1234so i dunno04:39
T7gI think there is a reason sfdisk autogenerates /etc/fstab in /etc/event.d/rcS-late04:40
T7gThat is not normal, I think they did it because they didn't want the partition table modifiable04:40
ali1234no, because the emmc *on disk* has a valid partition table04:40
T7gso, connect via usb and look at mydocs then04:41
T7gIt's supposedly the first one04:41
ali1234the partition table isn't inside the partition04:42
ali1234that would make no sense04:42
T7goh yeah04:42
T7gshit sorry, I started drinking when we were talking with lant04:42
ali1234anyway, the best way to look is on the device, over ssh04:42
ali1234i think the fact that the mmc fat filesystem looks like 4gb even though it is only 200mb is an indication that some trickery is going on04:43
T7gI think everyone could roll with switching mmcblk0p1 and mmcblk0p2 if we could get usb to mount mmcblk0p2 instead of 104:43
ali1234probably the flasher computers the partition table on the fly04:43
ali1234i dont see why you would even want to do that?04:44
ali1234you want to make mydocs 2gb and home 29 gb?04:44
ali1234that's just insane04:44
T7gI already have!04:44
T7gNot for people that run linux04:44
T7gCheck this man, no computer I have any relation to or go near on a daily basis is Windows anymore. I don't need vfat04:44
T7gEven my parents are forced to use Gentoo04:45
ali1234i don't see how that is even useful04:45
T7gext3 journalling, even though it might hose the flash sooner04:46
ali1234ext3 journalling = fail04:46
T7gI'm just waiting for someone smarter than myself to solve this04:47
T7gI don't mind helping, but I know lant is not going to fix this problem for us.04:47
ali1234i don't know what you're trying to achieve04:48
T7gdo you know how aggravating it is to go do an ln -s /xxx yyy and get Operation Not Permitted?04:48
T7gYou don't understand, this does not typically happen to me.04:48
ali1234you can make all the symlinks you want on /home04:49
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T7gIt's not like any of us can understand how the other likes to setup their distro04:49
T7gLets just say, it's been a problem04:50
T7gYou have an easy solution to get to /home from the apps?04:50
T7gI haven't found one tbh?04:50
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T7gI just mount my microsd at /msd and then have a link in it pointing to /home/user04:50
T7gbecause the UI included is such a pain in the ass04:50
T7gI don't want to store shit in . named folders04:51
ali1234the only thing you could conceivably want to link into /home is stuff in MyDocs anyway04:51
T7gI just don't use mydocs at all04:51
ali1234and you won't fix the .files without rewriting the whole GUI04:51
T7gLiterally, it's for the camera, that's it04:51
ali1234so link the DCIM folder somewhere in /home/user - problem solved04:51
T7gno, the camera app insists on having a vfat partition for some reason04:52
T7git won't write to ext3 :p04:52
ali1234so, don't f*ck with the partitions then04:52
luke-jr_"for some reason" XD04:52
ali1234just link everything into /home/user with symlinks04:52
T7gtoo late!04:52
T7gThese are just steps towards us not using the standard layout nokia gave us04:53
T7gThis is exactly what Lant wants to do, but he doesn't want to give up usb disk mode.04:53
ali1234no, lant wants to resize the existing partitions, without changing the order04:53
T7gI have wifi, I don't give two shits so for me repartitioning isn't bad04:53
ali1234which is a much more sensible goal04:54
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T7gI already changed my partitions, and it works fine04:54
T7gDon't worry about me04:54
T7gThe way I did it was also easy enough for any person to do.04:55
T7gPeople don't necessarily want their media on the device because they can hotswap sdhcs04:55
T7gI'd rather have my shit on hotswap sdhc, I can carry about fifty microsds in my pocket if need be04:55
T7gbut, one problem I have noticed (one I have not had at all) is people filling up their filesystems installing all sorts of stuff04:56
ali1234actually i just realise something04:56
T7gsome of it is related to the icon cache bug of course04:56
ali1234the order of the partitions in the table does not have to reflect the order on disk04:57
ali1234so you can swap the partitions around, without actually repartitioning, and retain the existing device node asignments04:57
ali1234you'll probably have to hex edit the partition table though04:57
ali1234then everything should work, including usb storage04:58
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T7gthat would be awesome man04:58
T7gand you could solve everyone's problems in a quick couple of steps04:58
ali1234no, it would only solve your problem04:59
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ali1234for most people, having only 2gb for mp3, videos, and pictures woul totally suck04:59
T7geveryone could make my problem their problem and we could solve it together ali =)04:59
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T7gthat's the thing sir04:59
T7gI keep all my music and videos on /msd which is the mounted microsd card!04:59
T7gI imagine many will do the same05:00
T7gMost people want tons of room for applications05:00
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ali1234but can the camera record directly to microsd?05:00
T7gthey want to walk through the valley of the shadow of death without internet but still have games to play.05:00
ali1234drnoksnes, roms on MyDocs05:00
T7gali1234, vfat limit is at best 4G05:00
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T7gwhy need more?05:00
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T7gyou cannot make camera video bigger than 4gb?05:00
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ali1234i never tried05:01
ali1234what if you want to record more than one video?05:01
T7gvfat is very limited in file size? Why need a filesystem that is bigger than the biggest file you can put on it?05:01
ali1234someone should try that i guess05:01
T7gyou could also move em but I mean05:01
T7gare we talking about doing a movie here?05:01
ali1234lol, cos you might want more than one file?05:01
pupnikheh ali1234 your alignment cflags make a huge difference on p4a05:01
T7gyou gonna record 2-4gb and then go, MAN I NEED TO RECORD MORE?!05:01
T7gali, you can mount -o bind if you need more space.05:01
ali1234pupnik: what cflags?05:01
pupniknot surprising05:01
ali1234i didn't do any cflags?05:02
n900evildoes the browser for anyone when you press space move down one screen, not 1.1 screens or so?05:02
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pupnikinline funcs, aligned thisandthat, unrolled loops05:02
ali1234that was all already there05:02
ali1234ah... i started with the pandora makefile, cos it has cortex-a805:03
ali1234then i brought in the sdl stuff from the gp2x makefile05:03
pupnikgeneric -mcpu=cortex-a8 and -Os are way slower on that ... thing05:04
pupniknogravity compiles now . yaay for me05:04
pupniksegfaults tho05:04
ShadowJKinline aligned unrolled sounds like -O305:05
ShadowJKand gentoo ricers05:05
pupnikyeah ricing05:05
pupnikenjoy autobuilder05:05
pupnikusing that word should disqualify you from using any emulator or game05:06
T7gShadowJK, I am a gentoo ricer, wat of it? :P05:08
T7gDon't be all verclempt because we're the types with the free time to compile everything we use :P I admit I do not work more than three hours a day but you can't hold that against me in the linux world :p05:08
n900evilreading some onn900 screen at night, bl flicker is annoying.05:08
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ShadowJKpupnik, dunno, samppa managed to make it build MPlayer with all the weird CFLAGS required for Neon :)05:08
pupnikwell you do have a point of course05:09
fnordianslipn900evil: the page-down thing is a known bug05:10
pupnikbut i've had enough experiences where attention paid to that transforms something from 'ick' to 'nice'05:10
ShadowJKIt's somewhat counterintuitive that unrolling loops and inlinining funcitons would automatically be faster on A805:10
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ShadowJKi would've thought the small cache would have loved small code better :)05:11
pupniki usually start with -Os05:11
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n900evilfn: ah05:20
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n900evilthat,s about the fifth time I've powered off when going for end taks05:25
n900evilwaiting for dialogue to appear before releasing button05:26
fnordianslipn900evil: i don't think i've ever needed to end a task.  which ones are giving you hassle?05:27
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n900evilnon hildonised ones05:28
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fnordianslipah.  u geting adventurous :)05:28
n900evilfbreader in some dialogues,05:28
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fnordianslipi guess i've been a bit selective/cowardly so far05:31
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n900evilno big problems. something is screwy with python I think05:46
fnordianslipperspythonseems to be working ok for me.  i seem to have pulled the optified version ferom extras-devel05:51
fnordianslippersexcuse typing. now on n900 :)05:51
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pupnikto play with newer gcc i need to set up a crosscompile toolchain eh?06:23
pupnikslonopotamus: does yours work for targeting rx51?06:23
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luke-jr_pupnik: I don't know that slonopotamus maintains any cross-compiling stuff anymore.06:24
luke-jr_we've been sticking with native for a while06:24
pupnikk ty06:24
luke-jr_and both of us have new babies, so not so much time anymore06:25
luke-jr_(that, and I don't *have* an RX51 :p)06:25
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pupnikah babies.  hard to automate their care.06:25
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pupniknot a burning issue for me - it would just be nice to test things with an alternate gcc to check if it's causing my problems06:27
pupnikmaybe an older sbox even06:27
pupnikhaving no clue meanings swapping components - newton's method in a way06:28
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go1dfishT7g: agreed an applet like you described earlier would be helpful I think06:31
go1dfishive been pretty ocd about my battery to06:31
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go1dfishwhenever someone mentions a step they've taken to improve battery life on talk.maemo I generally try it out, but also went and got some external battery packs for the meantime :)06:32
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pupnikgo1dfish: just turn off stuff that uses power06:41
pupnikn900 runs an impressive amount of processes which seem to be well behaved06:42
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swc|666jebba, you rock !!!!
T7gjebba is really awesome, I should be switching to his kernal atm but I am being lazy.07:08
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bigbrovaranyone knows if its possible to make panucci the defaults for playing podcast from gpodder on the N90008:13
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jaek_is the flashlight app working for anyone?08:20
Vrathaso, i downloaded the SDL_net source code and am trying to create a "libsdl-net1.2-dev" package out of it.  i've followed the steps on to setup this package08:20
Vrathai created the .deb08:20
Vrathait builds the code and creaets .deb files.  but when i install my .deb files, it doesn't actually move anything useful08:20
Vrathajust some documents into /usr/share08:21
Vrathaanyone have any experience creating .deb files so that they can get their stuff installing into /usr/include and /usr/lib?08:21
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Vrathawell, i have to get to bed, but feel free to leave a comment here or PM me08:27
Milo-in the phonebook, there is an option for 'copy selected contacts' but there is no way of selecting any contacts ._.08:28
Milo-that will prompt which to select actually08:28
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Milo-settings -> delete all contacts, well that's an innocent looking button08:33
Milo-can't I copy my contacts to SIM08:33
Milo-I can copy from SIM, but not to SIM08:33
Proteousyou'd have to throw away a bunch of info if you copied it to the sim08:34
RST38hfile a bug08:34
GAN800lol . . .08:34
Proteoussince the sim card address holding setup is pretty limited08:34
Proteousonly one number per name08:34
RST38hwell he should still be able to do that08:34
Proteousnot very much meta info on contact08:34
GAN800Kyocera MicroUSB charger that outputs 350mA08:35
GAN800How . . . uselss08:35
RST38hok, sell it on ebay buy an iphone08:35
* RST38h cackles meaningfully08:35
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GAN800What's the point of standardizing on a connected if half the chargers are useless?08:39
arachnistGAN800: lower manufacturing costs08:39
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RST38hGAN: EU bureaucracy getting end-of-the-year bonuses08:50
* RST38h sees no point in standardizing on USB charging at all. It is a freaking white elephant, if you ask me08:50
luke-jr_huh? what's there to standardize?08:50
RST38hsocket, plug, charging current, etc08:51
* Trizt waits for electricity over air08:52
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KhertanHi !08:53
arachnistTrizt: force your microwave oven to run while the door is open. you'll get electricity OTA08:53
luke-jr_Trizt: we already have that08:53
arachnistTrizt: not to mention quite a bit of devices already have that08:54
arachnist(palm pre, for example)08:54
* Trizt see too many power cables in his home08:54
KhertanSomeone know which is the best way to put a font selection button ? the gtk one isn t hildonized08:54
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Khertanand hildon doesn t have any FontButton08:55
RST38harachnist: you won't, it is shielded08:55
RST38hand if it is not shielded, you are risking your balls broiled08:55
Triztarachnist; the palm pre don'08:57
Triztt have OTA for electricity08:57
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* Trizt hates to wait for pre christmas delivery that arrives after christmas08:59
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Naruto_secn900 bugs?09:12
Naruto_secor maemo bugs?09:12
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DocScrutinizer51Trizt: pre has a special bat lid for inductive charging. Nevertheless power OTA is a freaking nonsense. To span more than 10cm free air you need insane efforts and efficiency drops to center of earth10:27
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DocScrutinizer51RST38h: ack on useless USB charging. See what it got us: no hostmode on N90010:28
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fluxwhat would be the preferred mechanism (from the developer's point of view) for producing multi-channel audio on N900?10:40
fluxatleast there is pulseaudio and qt4.6 should have some audio capabilities10:41
fluxand then there is libmikmod210:42
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wazd_n800hello all10:46
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Stskeepswb wazd :)10:49
Stskeepsso when does the countdown start?10:49
wazd_n800it's already started :P10:50
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Stskeepsposted first post? :P10:50
wazd_n8002 already, 8 to go)10:51
wazd_n800Mer is heldd for the final 5 :D10:51
Stskeepsi think the blog posts are the best way to make yourself visible as well10:52
wazd_n800Heh, who needs fame anyway)10:52
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wazd_n800according to my pingbacks, people are excited bout new Transmission UI btw10:57
Stskeepssitting and reading the posts atm10:58
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JaffaMorning, all10:59
Jaffatimeless_mbp: wassup?10:59
wazd_n800Jaffa, hello11:00
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gileadCurrently I try to set-up qt-creator (git master) to build maemo apps. I couldn't find anything in the Web, does it work at all? ( I fail to set-up a working qmake build configuration)11:02
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sejohey all what is the default password of user?11:19
sejotrying to install libqt4-core (some apps refuse to install on my n900 due to that missing dep)11:19
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gileadsejo: you cannot install using user "user". You also cannot do any sudo or su.11:26
gileadAFAIK there is a way to enable root on your device. I am using SSH which allows me to login as root.11:26
Stskeepsor rootsh package11:27
gileadYou can even do this locally on your device: Open terminal and run ssh root@localhost11:27
X-Fadejebba: ping?11:29
sejogilead: but what is the root password?11:30
sejogilead: and is the qt even in fremantle because I cannot install any qt app11:30
gileadsejo: hm, I used MaemoSDK GUI installer and ESBox. At one step (I believe on setting up ESBox) I was asked to enter a root password.11:33
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gileadsejo: I have not yet tried to install Qt on fremantle device. But I installed it in scratchbox (following the Qt Wiki page on successfully.11:33
sejoach I don't have the sdk here (doesn't work)11:34
gileadDid you try to install the "rootsh" package on your device?11:35
gilead(I didn't so I do not know in which repository it resides)11:36
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sejoach I'll check it11:37
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sejoinstalling it :p11:38
dnaumovyay, my N900 has just been shipped :)11:39
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fluxsome good fellow should set up a public VNC-server on his n900 so the people not yet with their own could play with it. for christmas, you know ;-)11:43
superdumpfor rootsh you just run 'sudo gainroot' in a terminal and it switches you to root11:43
superdumpi think when you install the openssh server package, you get prompted to input a root password11:43
gileadsuperdump: And that was done by ESBox I assume.11:44
sejoworks and have a libqt4-core installed but apparently not the correct version11:45
dnaumovflux: that would be exactly relevant to actual experience of using an N90011:46
fluxdnaumov, well, you could run the vnc client on an old n800 or n810..11:46
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StskeepsX-Fade: ping12:08
wazd_n800are irc clients for n900 that bad?)12:09
Stskeepswazd_n800: could be worse12:10
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Stskeepswazd_n800: a fresh view on irc for touch devices could be interesting though12:10
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DocScrutinizer51ooh shiiiiit. I just caused a veritable scar on N900 screen with my fingernail :-((((12:13
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LynoureDocScrutinizer51: huh, quite fingernails you got12:13
LynoureDocScrutinizer51: did you remember to remove the protective film?12:13
LynoureThat one scratches easily, the actual screen does not.12:13
DocScrutinizer51seems there was a grain of dust between nail and screen12:13
DocScrutinizer51nah. that's the screen12:14
BluesLeedoes someone now if libicu is installed by default on the n900? i have two versions libicu40 and libicu42, which consume a lot of space12:14
wazd_n800that's the most significant pro-capacitive moment12:14
LynoureDocScrutinizer51: pity, but might be fixable with some screenpolisher or somesuch12:14
dmj726pH5: I thought of another good use of manual focus.12:15
wazd_n800Stskeeps, maybe12:15
DocScrutinizer51might give that a try. Ir simply shrug and get a new front plastic ts next spring12:15
wazd_n800Stskeeps, I already had some thoughts though12:16
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pH5dmj726: interested. what is it?12:18
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dmj726Accessibility: get a good focus system on the camera.  Put it in a holder that keeps it at the proper distance from the page, zoom in, focus on the page (currently a chore to trick it into focusing), and you've got yourself a handheld magnifier that's way better than what's out there now.12:20
sejowazd_n800: n900 has irssi 'nuf said12:20
wazd_n800sejo, I don't know what it is unfortunately :)12:21
sejoirssi is a textbased IRC client12:21
sejogoogle it12:21
dmj726with the proper software, the n900 could replace this:
wazd_n800ooh, text based, great :D12:23
fluxhmph, apparently mikmod is not an option for multi-channel audio (not a good one atleast), as it doesn't support pulseaudio12:23
fluxbetter suggestions?12:23
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X-FadeStskeeps: yep?12:25
StskeepsX-Fade: urls are dead12:25
Stskeeps(a lot of software is still being pushed there so)12:25
X-FadeStskeeps: Can you tell me which software is still alive there?12:26
Stskeepsgtk+ for instance12:26
pH5dmj726: maybe a separate "Magnifier" application could be better optimized for that use-case12:26
X-FadeStskeeps: As that should not be used by teams anymore.12:26
StskeepsX-Fade: at this particular moment i can't give you a list :) but the archives are also very useful12:26
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* Jaffa keeps snowtter up on his screen12:26
X-FadeStskeeps: Everything should be in gitorious.12:26
StskeepsX-Fade: yeah, but it isn't yet :P12:26
* timeless_mbp ponders12:27
X-FadeStskeeps: Well, we've disabled svn access last week.12:27
* timeless_mbp needs to consider restarting hildon-desktop/hildon-home/hildon-status-menu12:27
X-FadeStskeeps: So, these teams should really move.12:27
Jaffatimeless_mbp: pong, btw12:27
timeless_mbpJaffa: l10n pain12:27
StskeepsX-Fade: true, i wonder where they're moving to then12:27
X-FadeStskeeps: But I can enable the interface, moment.12:27
Jaffatimeless_mbp: Ah, always fun.12:28
Jaffatimeless_mbp: More reused message IDs?12:28
Stskeeps is my current list, but i know dbus-glib has moved12:28
timeless_mbpJaffa: well, we have those coming yes12:28
timeless_mbpbut also some really stupid bad labeling and some awful messages12:28
* timeless_mbp grumbles12:28
timeless_mbpsp3000: help12:28
X-FadeStskeeps: If you can tell me what is interesting there, I can try to reach the responsible people.12:29
timeless_mbpsp3000: so, something seems wrong here12:29
StskeepsX-Fade: gtk+ at least i'm at a loss at where is developed now12:30
StskeepsX-Fade: but having read-only access to those archives are useful though, even though they aren't being pushed to12:31
X-FadeStskeeps: Hmm indeed, I'll ask around.12:31
* timeless_mbp frowns12:31
timeless_mbpone of my files isn't updating12:31
X-FadeStskeeps: That box is going to be switched of in the next month or so, so it should really be moved somewhere else.12:31
* timeless_mbp wonders why12:32
StskeepsX-Fade: :nod:12:32
StskeepsX-Fade: i'll gladly take a tarball for historical purposes ;)12:32
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X-FadeStskeeps: It should just go to some git repository. So it is not all dead code.12:32
X-FadeStskeeps: I understand gtk is not sexy in the harmattan timeframe, but if community wants to continue it should still be somewhere.12:33
* Stskeeps wonders if it12:33
Stskeeps's on garage12:33
wazd_n800screw gtk :)12:33
X-FadeStskeeps: Worst case I'll push it into myself.12:34
StskeepsX-Fade: :nod:12:34
* RST38h moos at gtk12:34
RST38hhello all12:34
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DocScrutinizer51RST38h: hi12:35
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StskeepsX-Fade: since it's getting turned off, removing stage entries from my openness report12:37
wazd_n800RST38h, heya12:37
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RST38hwazd: how is existance?12:41
X-FadeStskeeps: Yes, although we need to make sure they will keep existing somewhere.12:42
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RST38hhello lardman12:44
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lardmanhi RST38h12:45
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RST38hlardman,Stskeeps: two more votes and FBReader goes into Extras (yes, that was a hint)12:46
tbfStskeeps: yup, like X-Fade said. if there is community interest in gtk/hildon, it will survive in Harmattan and its successors12:47
tbfnot very different from each other gtk platform12:47
tbfjust until now Maemo was an exception, as gtk was giving vendor support here.12:47
tbf...comparable to Msft supporting gtk on windows :-D12:48
lardmanvoted, or at least I think so, I've just got a swirly-whirly thing where the thumbs-up was12:49
tbfRST38h: how do i promote eightyone for extras? or does the maintainer have to do?12:49
lardmanah, looks ok12:49
lardmantbf: vote for it12:49
dmj726lardman: you do mbarcode, right?12:50
tbfchecking if it is in testing yet12:51
RST38htbf: Maintainer does it12:51
lardmandmj726: yep12:52
tbfpinging tim about promoting it to testing12:52
dmj726I'm a little confused about the camera focus code, and I guess you'll know more about that.12:52
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Stskeepstbf: do you have a git or svn repo of it outside of stage yet?12:53
Stskeepstbf: and yes i know the angle on gtk+ :P12:53
tbfStskeeps: repo for what? gtk, hildon?12:53
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: where culd I possibly find detailed info on messing around with audiomixer /  AD/DA. To implement e.g a TAM or call recorder?12:54
lardmandmj726: what's up?12:54
n900evilhow do I get fbreader out of fullscreen?12:54
dmj726looking to make an app that allows manual focus.12:54
n900evilother than kill12:55
RST38hleft bottom corner12:55
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RST38hor right bottom corner when in landscape12:55
n900evildmj: you know the af driver chip?12:55
RST38hor ctrl+enter12:55
lardmandmj726: well you can probably use a different constant in the call to gst_photography_set_focus(_12:55
Stskeepstbf: maemo gtk12:55
wazd_n801RST38h, what about binding camera button?12:55
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: pulseaudio or alsa12:55
lardmann900evil: no need, it is handled through bit banging the v4l2 ioctls12:56
n900evilrst: neither conrner worked. retrying12:56
tbfStskeeps: let me ask on internal channel after xmas vacations12:56
DocScrutinizer51heh speedevil. today under disguise ;-)12:57
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: PA and ALSA just for basic API12:57
Stskeepstbf: alright, thanks :)12:57
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: to make any purpose of that I'd still need to understand that particular hw12:58
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: for stuff like that i'd prod danielwilms12:58
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DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: where?12:59
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: well, here, but i doubt he'll be at work today12:59
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: is his role12:59
DocScrutinizer51aah tnx12:59
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: they might be a bit touchy about messing about with mixer after the FM radio stuff though13:00
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Stskeeps(it caused people to send back their n900s with mic failed and unable to call 911(13:00
n900evilrst: started, fullscreen the opening screen, neither corner works. nor ctrl-nter only ctrl-bs13:00
n900evilrst: or fixed in newer ver?13:01
tbfStskeeps: oh, so the famous microphone bug was caused by the FM radio?13:01
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: actually I can feel with them. After all same flames went all over me for FR13:02
* lardman can't call 911 here either13:02
Stskeepstbf: the one that can't be cursed with reflash13:02
Termana_n810lardman - not in the US? :P13:03
wazd_n801cursed with reflash, nice :)13:03
tbflardman: did you actually try?13:03
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lardmanno on both counts13:03
tbflardman: AFAIK 911 is in the GSM specs and gets redirected to your real emergency number13:03
tbflardman: but don't cite me on that, as i am not 100% sure13:04
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Termana_n810wazd_n801, when did nokia release an n801!? lol :P13:04
Termana_n810tbf - isn't that 112 or 441?13:04
lardmantbf: 112 I think13:04
red112 is the finnish equivalent13:04
lardmanbut who knows :)13:04
redbut they did not hard code other countries emergency numbers? :D13:05
lardmanhrw|gone-to-2010: time travel? ;)13:05
tbflardman: AFAIK 911 really is an alias for 112 in GSM or something.13:05
lardmanin your country perhaps13:05
lardmanin mine it would be 99913:05
redif you called 112 in the USA, would it actually go to "911" ?13:05
lardmanbut I've not tried, so it might work13:06
redwhen i was a kiddo we had 00013:06
murrayclardman: Apparently that's going to change or at least both will be supported, europewide.13:06
redand i had a memory rule, "three zeros"13:06
redbut it made me always think was it 000 000 000 or 00013:06
n900evilrst38h: need more info?13:06
lardmanred: where are you from?13:06
tbflardman: or just wikipedia: "Most GSM mobile phones have 112, 999 and 911 as pre-programmed emergency numbers that are always available."13:06
lardmantbf: ah13:06
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redand I mean when I was a tiny baboon :p13:06
lardmanred: was the 0 first on the dial or last?13:07
redor well, i've never been small, just younger13:07
redit was straight three 0s13:07
lardmanno, I mean on a rotary dial13:07
n900eviltbf: not always in the uk. need a valid online SIM13:07
redno, haha13:07
redi think thats last?13:07
lardmanthat's why we have 999 I think, was the furthest away, so you had to mean it to dial it13:07
redmight be first though13:07
X-Faden900evil: You can dial 112 even without a sim card.13:07
lardmanjust wondering if 0 could be at either end, and therefore we went with 99913:07
X-Faden900evil: You can even use it in the pincode screen.13:08
n900evilx-fade: not in the uk13:08
n900evilat least for 999 last I tried13:08
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n900evilseveral times over the years13:09
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: darn. Seems DanielWilms already seized the job I was hoping for, at Maemo13:09
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: hehe13:09
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: well, he doesn't deal with hw directly i think, maybe there's an opening ;)13:09
Stskeeps"Open Hardware Consultant" ;p13:10
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: I think I should try anyway13:10
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n900evilgo for it!13:10
tbfDocScrutinizer51: if you accept moving to Helsinki, there are quite some open Maemo jobs for you :-D13:10
redHelsinki isn't such a nice city though13:11
Stskeepsred: it's actually not that bad13:11
Stskeepswell, from visitors POV13:11
redI've lived there 16 years :)13:11
tbfred: it has quite some nice places13:11
Stskeepseven though the frost in october is a bit ..13:11
redIt's not even a cold city tbh :p13:11
tbfred: so if you just take the city, it would be ok13:11
redone of the last places to get snow to stay in Finland13:11
redtbf: agreed. It's the citizens that are.. :P13:12
tbfred: but the weather. THE WEAHTER!13:12
DocScrutinizer51tbf: I'm ok with helsinki as long as there's an airport and the salary is sufficient to feed my miles+more13:12
ifreqwehave atm 0.7 +celsius @helsinki13:12
ifreqso talking bout cold :-P13:12
red-10 here at Tampere heh13:12
tbfifreq: even 10°C can be freaking cold at HEL 'cause of it's quite unprotected position within the baltic see13:12
X-FadeI guess you should even need to move to Oulu ;)13:13
redbut my point was, after I moved away from Helsinki to Tampere I've been alot happier with the people, the city offers kinda the same possibilities for me so it's not about that, but the people. At Helsinki most people just looked down and nobody talked to any random people at the centrum :)13:13
tbfifreq: it has very cold, very wet and very strong wind quite often13:13
redhere I find all sort of new social contancts just by hanging out at the town, since people dont just ignore one and other13:13
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ifreqtbf: so what? its not like i live outside :)13:14
ifreqor be dead because of some minus degrees13:14
ifreqrather -20 even than wet snow13:14
redguess it boils down to liking to be able to mind your own business or having a chitchat at the buss stop while waiting :)13:14
redifreq: wet snow is so retarded from a car perspective :)13:14
ifreqred: yeh well in hki there is just too much hurry with ppl13:14
ifreqthats why you have huge circle of friends here13:15
reddry snow is easier to scrape from your car windows :p13:15
ifreqand well me as public transportation user it sux to walk over the bus stop in wet snow13:15
ifreqso rather COLD than .. anything else between13:15
ifreqgtg.. lahti is calling.. merry xmas peeps13:15
redto helsinki actually hehe13:16
tbfifreq: like you said: the wet makes the difference13:16
tbfifreq: wouldn't care that much about the temperature if it wouldn't also be that wet13:17
dmj726lardman: have you ever tried any kind of focusing other that auto?13:17
* DocScrutinizer51 ponders SanDiego Devices13:17
DocScrutinizer51too far away from D though13:18
tbf...well, and then HEL seems quite expensive. hmm, but could be that Ruoholahti isn't that representative for HEL.13:18
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DocScrutinizer51I'd hope Nokia has a way to compensate for that13:19
tigertits a part of helsinki :)13:19
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tigertcompensate for what?13:20
murraycNokia employees never leave the office, right? That's how they compensate for the high cost of living outside of the office.13:21
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: did you say FMradio caused a trouble that couldn't be fixed by reflashing?13:21
tigerthousing in helsinki center is expensive, but theres good public transort13:22
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: no, but it messed up mixer settings so mic didn't work until a reflash / removal + reboot13:22
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tbftigert: yup, seems you better move to the rims13:23
DocScrutinizer51aah. yes that's what I got as well13:23
tigerttbf: yea13:23
tigertwell, depends what you want13:23
tigertits cheaper, sure13:24
tbftigert: surely i would not want to spent half of my wage on rent - if i'd be there.13:24
tigertthe tram range is good if one can get a decent home within it13:24
DocScrutinizer51tbf: that largely depends on your wages13:25
redlike 600e for a small apartment per month13:25
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redwas kinda fun getting almost 1,5 the size of apartment at tampere for 370e/month13:26
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tigerthelsinki is crazy compared to other parts of the country13:26
tigertbut its like that everywehere13:26
DocScrutinizer51well if 600EUR was half of monthly wage... dude :-/13:26
Stskeepsi highly doubt that's half of monthly wage in .fi13:27
Stskeepsconsidering tax level etc13:27
Laiskadepends what you do for a living :)13:29
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suihkulokkiiirc median salary in .fi is 2600 eur/month13:29
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tbfDocScrutinizer51: consider having a family13:29
SpComb^can't launch the mediaplayer over `ssh -X n810` :(13:29
lardmandmj726: nope13:29
lardmandmj726: why do you want manual?13:29
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dmj726the autofocus is annoying and innapropriate in certain circumstances.13:30
tbfDocScrutinizer51: if you'll like to have a four rooms apartment you'll quickly reach half of your wage13:30
dmj726So far I've found 2 use cases where it falls to pieces.13:31
tbfDocScrutinizer51: also consider that taxes are quite high in FI, so your netto is much lower than it'd be in D13:31
lardmandmj726: shoot13:31
redStskeeps: it's pertty close to half monthly wage for some people with bad jobs13:31
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lardmandmj726: it doesn't work well in macro mode, that's for sure13:32
redi myself get 298e/month for being at school, and 300e/month student loan on top of that13:32
Stskeepsred: in copenhagen the prices were so bad recently cops from inner city couldn't afford to live there :P13:32
redhah :D13:32
dmj7261) use as accessibility tool for visually impaired 2) use as stop motion miniature camera (macro in general actually)13:32
reddmj726: the macro mode worked for me IF the background was really dark13:33
redlike say my black pc table13:33
redother than that, quite random results13:33
dmj726Dark background isn't always desired though.13:33
redsomehow i still dont except phone cameras to be worth jackshit :)13:33
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: same for Munich13:33
redofcourse not, just said it worked that way13:33
tbfDocScrutinizer51: still: if you don't have family yet and would enjoy getting paid for working on maemo: go and check nokia job offers13:34
dmj726If the n900 camera *can* be made to do these things it should.13:34
redIn Finland there isn't enough jobs for coppers, the 1 police school we have pumps out more graduates every year than there is even vaguely enough jobs13:34
dmj726nothing wrong in the hardware (aside from a little noise in low light regions)13:34
redand the pay I heard sucks aswell13:34
tbfDocScrutinizer51: interesting job, good people and probably a very valuable experience13:34
DocScrutinizer51tbf: ok. I probably should do exactly that13:34
lardmanurgh, /me gives up learning Qt for the time being13:35
redwhy urgh13:35
lardmancos it's painful13:35
SpComb^no mocp .deb for maemo either that I can find :(13:36
SpComb^any other console players, or GUI ones that support running them over X?13:37
SpComb^(ssh -X, that is)13:37
n900evildmj: you mean the rear?13:37
fluxman, pulseaudio is definitely an example of yet another too sparsely documented interface. but hey, atleast they've got comprehensive reference documentation..13:40
dmj726yes, the rear 5mp camera13:41
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DocScrutinizer51dmj726: for the macro focus bork there's a trac ticket even afaik13:42
DocScrutinizer51dmj726: manual focus would be a cute option anyway13:44
dmj726yeah, it really allows for more artistic freedom with it.13:44
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dmj726manual focus is a killer app for any camera.13:45
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DocScrutinizer51and I found macro focus rather flaky even with good light conditions (no focus flash)13:45
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fluxit's a shame the source to some key apps isn't available13:46
n900evilmanual focus won't give more than 1mm coc13:47
DocScrutinizer51flux: heh. ack13:47
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: coc?13:48
DocScrutinizer51n900evil: ^13:49
n900evilcircle of confusion13:49
n900evilsee wikipedia13:49
dmj726flux: I agree.13:50
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dmj726In fact most of the egregious bugs I want fixed require the source to closed apps.13:50
* DocScrutinizer51 ponder to search wiki for circle of confusion. Rejects the proposal13:50
dmj726manual camera focus, video playlists...13:51
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DocScrutinizer51selecting service when dialing from contacts...13:52
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DocScrutinizer51more profiles... better profiles...13:53
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: "There's an app for that" :)13:56
DocScrutinizer51for what exactly? on *maemo* even? ;-)13:56
pupnikdmj726: try the gpe audio player13:57
dmj726audio playlists arent the problem, it's the video13:57
wazd_n800"Want to show your bf that he's an asshole? There's a crap for that"13:57
pupnikor kmplayer13:58
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dmj726it puts all the videos in one big list and expects you to open each one separately, (problematic for videos split across several episodes)13:58
pupnikit is a solid app with basic functionality13:58
DocScrutinizer51wazd_n800: XD13:58
pupnikcompare it to community apps13:58
pupnikkmplayer, gpe audio player13:59
dmj726I have used kmplayer, the ui is awkward, and I can't figure out playlists but it's what I'm doing now for that.13:59
pupnikdo it13:59
pupnikright, so would you say the nokia media player sucks, when compared to what other people have created?13:59
dmj726it's a very nice app, except for the couple of major breakage points.13:59
pupniki agree14:00
dmj726just like the camera app and the contacts.14:00
* DocScrutinizer51 wonders if X-Fade is suggesting Nokia will sell an app for decent profile management in ovi-store eventually14:00
pupnikit takes a lot of work to make something that 'doesn't suck'14:00
cosmo_what is the least sucking music player for n900 nowadays?14:00
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dmj726Fix half a dozen niggling issues with each of these apps and Nokia could have a practically flawless device.14:01
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pupnikcosmo_: the one from nokia, easily14:02
DocScrutinizer51if finally they fix ambient light screen dimming. Sucks baseballs14:02
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pupniki think it is perfect. i never notice the dimming14:03
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cosmo_pupnik: oh, ok14:03
pupnikdo you have an n810?14:03
DocScrutinizer51so I should kick the testing app maybe14:04
pupniki found the n810 reader to be a bit aggressive in changing brightness levels14:04
DocScrutinizer51pupnik: I have. and both are similarly PITA14:05
pupnikhmm interesting14:05
SpeedEvilI want portrait mode in the browser14:05
DocScrutinizer51huge delay and always in inconvenient large steps14:06
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: hey! :D14:06
SpeedEviland for the browser thing in the corner to accept swipes out from hte corner14:06
SpeedEvilas well as touches14:06
pupniki'd be willing to bet they did actual testing with a large set of users with that screen dimming14:06
* SpeedEvil isn't on laptop much - as it's broken - dropped14:06
SpeedEvilneed replacement case14:06
SpeedEvilor warranty work14:07
SpeedEvil1mo from end of 3y14:07
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DocScrutinizer51pupnik: from my former experience with industry I'd dare to hold that bet14:08
lardmanI'm confused, I thought qmake was supposed to call uic and generate cpp/h files for my ui files14:08
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cosmo_lardman: it is14:09
DocScrutinizer51lardman: yep14:09
lardmandoesn't generate any new cpp/h files14:09
lardmanjust a Makefile and a new .pro.user (?) file14:09
DocScrutinizer51lardman: I learnt qmake is a bitch14:09
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DocScrutinizer51might need removal of some .o or elf to do it's job14:10
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cosmo_lardman: i'd guess you should check your project file's contents14:10
lardmannever been compiled, so should work I guess14:10
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lardmancosmo_: I wondered that, but have FORMS    += mainwindow.ui in that file14:10
cosmo_try running make distclean; qmake14:11
RST38hVDVsx finally found the right approach to app promotion14:11
VDVsxRST38h, kick someone ? :p14:11
VDVsxRST38h, kidnap X-Fade ?14:12
lardmancosmo_: no change14:12
RST38hVDVsx: Dump a list of direct voting links to =)14:12
lardmancosmo_: am missing an include file in maeinwindow.cpp called: "ui_mainwindow.h"14:12
RST38hohshitbattlegeweled has been ported14:12
Stskeepsthere goes christmas, RST38h? :P14:12
VDVsxRST38h, btw, you Ti emulator is suffering "the lardman" bug14:12
lardmanwhich I guess should contain some stuff to do with the widgets I added in the designer14:12
VDVsxX-Fade, ping14:12
RST38hSts: Christmas? What Christmas?14:12
RST38hVDVsx: i.e.?14:13
lardmanVDVsx: what's that?14:13
VDVsxRST38h, front page forever14:13 front page14:13
lardmanthat's a feature!14:13
cosmo_lardman: create an empty qt project with qt creator and see what includes and .pro definitions it has14:13
RST38hVDVsx: Oh that shit =(14:13
VDVsxlardman, seems that the emulator got the same status, ahah14:13
lardmanthis is an empty project14:13
lardmanwith some widgets added to the main window14:14
RST38hVDVsx:I noticed it but thought it was the result of the date being set into the future14:14
VDVsxRST38h, keeps increasing14:14
cosmo_lardman: created with qt creator? it should work out of the box14:14
* RST38h facepalms14:14
VDVsxeach time a new app joins extras14:14
lardmancosmo_: indeed14:14
DocScrutinizer51RST38h: I doubt that's mathing his IRC client's highlight list :-P14:16
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tbfwould be interesting to add such a feature14:18
tbfregex with '+' on each vowel14:18
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* lardman decides to just code his app manually a la GTK+14:21
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DocScrutinizer51tbf: you managed to have working regex for xchat?14:22
lardmantime to do some work, cu all later14:22
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tbfDocScrutinizer51: no, but also my nick doesn't have vowels14:22
X-FadeVDVsx: pong14:23
VDVsxX-Fade, saw my comment about Ti emulator ?14:24
DocScrutinizer51heh. X-Fade actually seems to have that regex :-D14:24
RST38hX-Fade: ati85 is stuck at the top of Fresh list14:24
RST38hDoc: never underestimate him =)14:24
VDVsxX-Fade, the emulator got the lardman bug14:24
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X-FadeIt is just a very fresh app ;)14:27
RST38hpermafresh indeed14:29
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DocScrutinizer51does it autopatch and bump revision as well?14:31
VDVsxX-Fade, in case you didn't noticed the publication date increases each time a new app is promoted :)14:32
cosmo_are there any decent pre-paid sim cards with unlimited data available in the us?14:32
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X-FadeVDVsx: Even worse, each import run it seems.14:35
barisioneis the login for different from the main
X-Fadebarisione: yes14:37
barisioneX-Fade: ....14:37
barisionethat explains why I couldn't login ;)14:37
VDVsxX-Fade, btw, can you remove zoutube from the testing interface ? the package was manually imported by marcell in your absence and people are wasting time voting for a app already in extras :(14:37
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X-FadeVDVsx: Changed status to promoted.14:41
VDVsxX-Fade, thanks :)14:41
VDVsxRST38h, wow. fbreader already has 10 votes :p that was fast14:42
tbfVDVsx: makes me wonder if people really understand the purpose of extras-testing voting14:45
pupnikit is working fine here so far, i don't have books in all the supported formats though14:46
DocScrutinizer51tbf: test it with an intentionally borked app?14:46
VDVsxtbf, well, if you follow the related thread at tmo, you'll see the reason for that, most of the voters were testing the app already14:46
tbfpupnik: well, the theme also has >9 votes already, and it clearly is not ready for Maemo Extras yet14:46
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VDVsxtbf, that always a problem, for that reason we need a team of testers :D14:47
* pupnik coughs politely14:47
tbfVDVsx: still i suspect the voting mechanism is abused as popularity contest, instead of being used as quality measure14:47
VDVsxtbf, yes14:47
rdorschI replaced the sim card in my n900 and the n900 still tries the connect to the internet via the old connection14:47
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VDVsxtbf, you can see that easily with the most popular apps14:48
rdorschCan I add a second phone internet connection?14:48
rdorschI tried using the settings dialog, but I cannot change the connection type from WLAN to packet data.14:48
tbfVDVsx: guess voting should be linked with a short multiple-choice test14:49
rdorschHas anybody else seen that issue before and/or has a solution for it?14:49
VDVsxtbf, yes, that's already planned14:49
pupnikmv /usr/share/FBReader/ /opt && ln -s /opt/FBReader /usr/share/FBReader  in case you are pressed for space...14:49
VDVsxfollowing the q6a criteria14:49
tbfVDVsx: ah. good. so i don't have to start a tmo thread :-D14:49
DocScrutinizer51rdorsch: seems there's only one packet data setup14:50
VDVsxsome of those points might change :P14:50
VDVsxbbl (lunch)14:51
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rdorschDocScrutinizer51: thanks for confirming that. That is a step back from the N8x0 which could handle several phones.14:51
Stskeepsrdorsch: i think it should be possible to add in Network connections or something14:52
rdorschStskeeps: I see settings->internet connections14:53
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: I found no way14:53
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rdorschbut I did not find any way to add a second packet connection there14:53
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X-Fadetbf: That is why I want to add more weight for votes from well known testers.14:53
rdorschI cannot even delete the first one, only modify14:53
sp3000timeless_mbp: note pushing a bus off an icy stop doesn't really work14:54
meceIf I insert a flash card, should it be mounted automagically or do I have to mount it myself?14:54
mecein my N900 that is..14:54
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sp3000those things are heavy.14:54
timeless_mbpsp3000: ouch?14:54
X-Fadetbf: They should also be able to push the apps that are stuck for a long time without votes.14:54
sp3000he was able to reverse out of it eventually, in time for lunch :)14:54
timeless_mbpi'm skipping lunch i think14:55
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ifreqis there a way to disable camera sound?14:58
tbfX-Fade: guess it's sufficient to build a score/karma system on bases of the multiple-choice test results14:58
timeless_mbpifreq: change profile to silent14:59
tbfX-Fade: users are just uninformed, not evil14:59
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timeless_mbpifreq: or replace the wave file with a silent wave file14:59
X-Fadetbf: indeed.14:59
* timeless_mbp is kinda surprised no one has packaged that14:59
ifreqah okay. thanks14:59
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Stskeepswb wazd15:03
X-FadeVDVsx, RST38h: The uber fresh ati85 issue has been fixed.15:04
pupnik  the N900 now has more complete ebook reader support than Amazon Kindle, Kindle 2, Kindle DC, Sony Reader (all models), Hanlin E-Reader V3, Barnes & Noble Nook, Iriver Story!  Thanks to open-source, FBReader and Marat15:04
pupnikhows that for a tmo fanboy thread15:04
pupnikcome to me, google15:05
SpeedEvilfbreader isn't ready - at least from what I saw. \UI where you get stuck in a page with no way out is bad15:05
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pupnikhow can i recreate?15:06
SpeedEviltbf: hey - I resent that remark.15:06
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pupnikmod-support is slick, adds .mod to tracker indexing15:08
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: the rolling-shutter IR rx approach looks promising from a test I just did15:10
cosmo_pupnik: whoa.. does it also add a gstreamer mod player?15:11
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: interesting. I couldn;t dfind an IR remote15:15
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: main or front15:15
tbfSpeedEvil: which remark to where? voting remark to maemo-developers?15:16
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: main15:16
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DocScrutinizer51with led "in contact" with lens15:16
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SpeedEvil(12:59:20 PM) tbf: X-Fade: users are just uninformed, not evil15:17
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: Did you manage to get 1px scanning working then?15:19
SpeedEvilThe camera has a rolling shutter15:20
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: Or just use time it takes to scan a line and divide?15:20
SpeedEvilthis means it exposes - when set to minimum sensitivity - one line at a time15:20
SpeedEvilso - with a 2000 line camera, you get 2000 samples over the exposure time15:20
wazddamn, I'm really exhausted15:20
SpeedEvilsay 2000/10th secs15:20
SpeedEvil2000 in 1/10th of a sec15:21
SpeedEvilif the whole image is illuminated with a flashing light, you get a barcodeish effwct15:21
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: I just checked the light and dark horizintal bars15:21
SpeedEvilIdeally, you'd want to work out how to set exposure to minimum.15:22
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DocScrutinizer51anyway sensitivity is extremely low for IR - and blue which is kinda funny15:23
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wazdcan anyone please give me a shot of maemo 5 desktop without widgets at all?15:24
threshisnt there one on the wiki? that describes how to launch x-server in scratchbox15:25
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: you can't decode the 34/36/38KHz carrier but you get the rather low netto data quite accurately I'd guess15:25
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: unfortunately, the sample length may be too short - you may need multiple snaps15:26
DocScrutinizer51thats been the idea15:26
cehtehhmpf .. i left the device with silent mode, all radios turned off, no apps running, locked  and the battery is flat after 10 hrs15:26
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: actually video15:27
pupnikthe tablets / N900 can be serious sketching devices...
pupnikwb AndrewBlack15:28
wazdSpeedEvil: : yeah, that's me :D15:29
zashpupnik: by hand?15:29
pupnikno, stylus15:29
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer51: inter-frame is not zero15:30
zashpupnik: let me rephrase that, "did you do that from scratch?"15:30
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jebbaping X-Fade15:30
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: ack. sample retransmits15:30
SpeedEvili was about to do that, but realised I had no screenshot15:30
aquatixwazd: wow15:31
aquatixpupnik: wow :)15:31
furunk3lpupnik, what did you use?15:31
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furunk3las in what app15:31
pupnikyes.  a sketch app i'm working on15:31
furunk3llooks like it recognizes the pressure applied to the screen15:32
furunk3li had something similar for the nds15:32
wazdSpeedEvil: : well, take one? :D15:32
AndrewBlackWho wants to be nice and test maemo-org theme for me?  BTW once a package is removed for promotion it shouldn allow more votes on it I´ve had 4 people vote for my old package since I promoted new on into testing15:32
pupnik zash15:32
suihkulokkipupnik: impressive15:33
zashpupnik: nice indeed :D15:33
SpeedEvilwazd: ok - going up on my flickr15:33
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SpeedEvilk - there15:35
X-FadeAndrewBlack: hmmm that should not happen? The older version should automatically be cancelled on promotion of the newer one?15:35
wazdSpeedEvil: thx a lot15:35
zashhow sensitive are the screens on N*'s?15:35
SpeedEvilzash: quite.15:35
SpeedEvilzash: n900 anyway15:35
X-FadeAndrewBlack: Unless they used a direct link to the page perhaps.15:36
SpeedEvilzash: I have no issues15:36
DarwinSurvivoris it possible to access my n810's internal gps remotely with my laptop?15:36
DarwinSurvivorspecifically to make it appear under gpsd://localhost ?15:36
AndrewBlackX-Fade, They might have I was able to get there by looking at a comment someone made last night15:36
* thresh never managed to get n810 internal gps to work with n810 itself15:36
DarwinSurvivormy laptop is running linux, so an ssh port forward would be fine15:36
DarwinSurvivorthresh: lol15:36
DarwinSurvivorthresh: never had that problem myself15:37
zashSpeedEvil: as in, not boolean pressure?15:37
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DarwinSurvivorthe gps is not very accurate, but it does work (road following is good enough)15:37
wazdanother question15:37
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wazdhow close widgets on the desktop can be to the top?15:38
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DarwinSurvivori'm trying to run navit on my laptop (i know it's also on n810, but i like the larger screen) and have it read the gps either over wifi (prefered) or bluetooth15:38
wazdright below titlebar or they have some gap?15:38
Stskeepswazd: grab mer 0.17testing4 and you can use that as reference15:38
* melmoth has a headache trying to understand how navit binary maps actually wokrs15:38
Stskeepsthe themes aren't rendered wrong now15:39
wazdStskeeps:  oh! I forgot bout that :)15:39
DarwinSurvivorhmm, it appears gpsd runs on port 2947, i wonder if i can just port-forward it with ssh....15:39
cosmo_is author of mod-support on this #?15:39
rdorschIs there a telnet application for maemo 5?15:40
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rdorsch(or another way to find out which ports my carrier allows me to connect to)15:40
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DocScrutinizer51rdorsch: socat.comes to mind15:41
DarwinSurvivoromg, no wonder my n810 battery has been really short lately, the gps was on 24/7 :P15:41
X-FadeAndrewBlack: Yeah, we probably need to hide the fav box when already promoted or cancelled.15:41
AndrewBlackX-Fade, yeah because some people might not realize they are voting on wrong one15:43
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Stskeepswazd: if you didn't dl already, can't recall :P15:43
fnordianslipAndrewBlack: is that version 1.0-3 you are asking for feedback on? if so the highlighting thing seems to be fixed, but the icon in the browser toolbar still looks odd for me.15:44
AndrewBlackfnordianslip  you mean the arrow on the drop down box?15:46
jebbaX-Fade: gotta run. Ponged you back. Anyway, looks like asterisk job didnt run, so i re submitted. BUUUT /me checking now, the upload is dying at 192k up, which is a spot it seems to hang at alot. Dunno. ciao for now.15:46
fnordianslipAndrewBlack: Yes.  Oh, and the date in the desktop calendar widget isn't visible.15:46
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: note this was a short test only. Needs some better evaluation, e.g. by taking a video and analyze frame by frame. Preferrably on a known input IR pattern15:46
fiferboyAndrewBlack: The drop down arrow in the browser looks fine to me...15:46
AndrewBlackfiferboy, same for me15:47
fnordianslipweird.  perhaps a reboot will help15:47
AndrewBlackfnordianslip can you send me a screenshot and always reboot after a theme install or update15:47
fiferboyAndrewBlack: The text in the calendar applet is white on white, though15:47
fiferboyAndrewBlack: I mean, the text in the icon of the calendar applet15:47
rdorschDocScrutinizer51: Where do I get socat from?15:48
fnordianslipAndrewBlack: screenshot of what, the calendar widget?15:48
rdorschapt-cache search socat returns empty15:48
AndrewBlackfiferboy, I´ll take a look at it might have to recolor hte applet we are rather limited on the number of colors we can use for text15:48
DocScrutinizer51rdorsch: one of the additional repos iirc. either -devel or tools15:48
AndrewBlackfnordianslip the browser15:48
wazdStskeeps: nah, i have it :)15:49
Stskeepswazd: good :)15:49
fiferboyHey wazd15:49
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fnordianslipAndrewBlack: Not rebooted yet. screenshot here:
AndrewBlackthats fixed in new version did you have this theme active when you updated?15:52
wazdfiferboy: heya :)15:52
fnordianslipAndrewBlack: no.  will reboot now and see if it looks better.15:52
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AndrewBlackI´ll be happy if I ever get my n900 to boot this morning an hour on USB charge and still dead15:53
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wazdfiferboy: I'm making a blogpost bout Personal Clock now btw :)15:54
fiferboywazd: That puts a lot of pressure on actually releasing something at some point :)15:54
VDVsxX-Fade, AndrewBlack I think the packages have different names, that's the issue15:55
VDVsxone is maemo-org other is maemo.org15:55
wazdfiferboy: well, deadline is "somewhere in 2010" so relax :D15:55
fiferboyVDVsx: They have the same name, but one has the "XB-Maemo-Display-Name" set15:55
VDVsxah ok15:55
fiferboySame package name, that is15:55
fnordianslipAndrewBlack: after reboot, browser looks normal now.  calendar widget still has date in white on white.15:57
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joppuAndrewBlack: hey, i got my n900 now!15:58
AndrewBlackfnordianslip, I´ll look at calendar when  Iget my n900 to boot havn trouble with it righ now15:58
AndrewBlackjoppu, awsome I hope it works this tiime15:59
fnordianslipok good luck15:59
tbfAndrewBlack: using white shadow for desktop bookmarks, app manager and banners is by purpose?16:00
tbfAndrewBlack: looks odd.16:00
AndrewBlackshaddow on text?16:01
tbfAndrewBlack: put a bookmark on your desktop and look at the label16:02
tbfAndrewBlack: well, or check banners16:02
AndrewBlackbeen working on getting n900 to boot for an hour will once I get it up, you talking about a shadow on the text?16:03
tbfAndrewBlack: yup. for those widgets, text has a shadow16:03
X-FadeVDVsx: Ah, want me to kill one?16:04
tbf(hmm. hopefully not a result of the PR1.1 release candidate i am testing)16:04
AndrewBlacktbf, there is no color that says its for shadow but I´ll look into it.  joppu you know which on16:04
X-Fadejebba: .dsc should be enough, I can copy the other files in place.16:05
VDVsxX-Fade, ask AndrewBlack , but seems a bug according to fiferboy16:05
VDVsxbug in the package interface16:05
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tbfAndrewBlack: if you look at the gtkrc file you'll find stuff like this:16:06
tbfstyle "fremantle-note-label" = "osso-color-themeing"16:06
tbf        fg[NORMAL] = @ReversedTextColor16:06
tbf        engine "sapwood" {16:06
tbf                shadowcolor = @DefaultTextColor16:06
tbf        }16:06
X-FadeVDVsx: Ah, always love those.16:06
VDVsxX-Fade, :)16:06
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fnordianslipI'm not seeing a shadow in HAM or on desktop Bookmark16:07
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VDVsxX-Fade, humm, but probably is *not* a bug depends if you consider the XB-Maemo-Display-Name or the package name as reference16:07
tbfAndrewBlack: btw, also have a look at /usr/share/libosso-abook/gtkrc.libosso-abook - if you want to theme the avatar image in callui and contacts16:08
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pupnikbtw crosstool-ng builds without problems in maemo sdk vm16:09
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X-FadeVDVsx: Package name as use in file.16:11
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wazdfiferboy: something like this :)
fiferboywazd: Nice16:15
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threshwhy would someone need two clocks on the same screen?16:16
wazdthresh: why not? :)16:16
SpeedEvilI would like a large resizable digital clock widget16:17
thresheats space and useless?16:17
SpeedEvilSo I can have the entire desktop filled with a clock16:17
zashreal clocks sit on your arm ffs!16:17
SpeedEvilthis means when on charge - it can just be sitting on that16:17
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AndrewBlacktbf, I´ll take a look at the colors and fix them.  In the next release can if you don mind can you file a bug on it.  Might them the default avatar image to orange as well16:18
SpeedEvilmaybe with an updating weatrhew widget on the same page forex16:18
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wazdthresh: : first of all it's large, as you may notice16:18
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threshyeah, but you get used to look at the small clock anyway16:19
SpeedEvilthresh: not if you're a couple of meters away16:19
SpeedEvilSay with it on the bedside table as an alarm clock with the kickstand out and charger on16:20
threshof your mobile phone? then probably they are stealing it from you ;))16:20
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wazdanyway, it's a dead simple widget, why not16:22
wazdand you can draw any type of clock your brain can imagine*16:23
wazd*- standard behaviour expected :)16:23
joppuOh, by the way, does anyone know how to enable utf-8 in the terminal while using screen?16:23
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joppuoh and using ssh16:25
fnordianslipjoppu: this help me a bit:16:26
SpeedEvilwazd: just mod picture-frame to accept 1440 frame animated gifs16:26
fnordianslipexport LC_ALL="en_GB.UTF-8"16:26
fnordianslipin my .profile16:26
wazdSpeedEvil: yeah, that was my point :)16:27
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joppufnordianslip: thank16:33
fnordianslipjoppu: no problemo.  i am using bash though, so not sure if that is significant.16:33
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AndrewBlackN900 battery died now after 1.5 hours charing over usb is stops loading during 5 dots going back and forth think it just needs more charge time?16:49
AndrewBlacknm finally booted that time16:49
AndrewBlackjust needs more battery booted that time then died right away16:50
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X-Fade'Charging over USB'16:51
X-FadeSome devices give such a low amperage that you really can't call it charging anymore ;)16:52
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cehtehwhile charging, the device never goes to C4?16:54
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cehtehhum yes it does16:55
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AndrewBlackwell qgil only have a euro plug when it sent it to me and I never went to get a us plug or adapter17:05
VDVsxa adapter is very cheap ;)17:07
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RST38hX-Fade: Do you know why I cannot promote FBReader 0.10.7-9?17:10
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rdorschIs it possible to dial a phone number from the address book using SIP instead of the direct cell phone line?17:11
KhertanHi Again !17:11
Khertanrdorsch: works with skype17:11
rdorschI only was able to do that by bringing up the dialpad17:11
rdorschand switch to a sip connection.17:11
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VDVsxRST38h, to extras ?17:13
RST38hVDVsx: Yes17:14
VDVsxRST38h, 10 days of quarantine17:14
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RST38hVDVsx: Does ZLibrary also have to obtain 10 votes?17:16
VDVsxRST38h, if is a lib, no17:17
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VDVsxif is in user/ ye17:17
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RST38hNo, it is a lib now17:17
RST38hSo, have to wait for 10 days?17:17
VDVsxyes, I guess you will receive a email when the package is ready for promotion17:18
X-FadeCorrect, you should.17:18
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jpecan i sync the n900's calendar with a google calendar ?17:19
mgedminjpe: I found no way to do that17:19
threshyou can17:20
threshi've found the howto in russian how to do that17:20
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jpetresh: pff, that transaltion is not very clear to me...17:24
threshcant help you.17:25
threshlearn russian, you know ;)17:25
timeless_mbplbt: ping17:25
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timeless_mbpis the British Rail network working today?17:25
mgedminjpe: google, I'm sure you'll find threads on and maybe even youtube videos17:27
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jpemgedmin: articles about import/export, but not about syncing...17:30
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mgedminMail for Exchange on the N900 + the google server that pretends to be Exchange17:30
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timeless_mbpmgedmin: it doesn't really work in sales17:32
timeless_mbpthe version of the protocol that we speak and that they speak isn't the same17:32
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mgedminwell, then, finding a Russian speaker to translate that article won't help jpe ...17:32
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pupnikdo you guys install dependencies in your armel target with apt-get install?17:33
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mgedminpupnik, in scratchbox?  yes; we also use fakeroot17:34
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timeless_mbppupnik: apt-get builddep is an alternative17:34
mgedminisn't it spelled build-dep?17:35
timeless_mbpwhatever :)17:35
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pupnikthanks for confirming that network access is possible17:39
timeless_mbpyou need to poke /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf17:39
timeless_mbpgoogle for those filenames and scratchbox17:39
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mgedminand also check /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf17:40
mgedminthere are two copies of those files in scratchbox: one in your target, one in /scratchbox17:40
mgedminone is used by emulated apps, other is used by devkit apps17:41
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pupnik_ty mgedmin yes, i've read it all.  don't worry/bother17:42
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cheshairhi! i have some code which compile with the old gcc 4.0.0 (april 2005). can i use a gcc4.0.0 toolchain under maemo?17:43
cheshairor i'd better fix my code so that it compiles under modern gcc?17:44
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SpeedEvilMerry Christmas! I will now paste a massive christmas tree ascii art. if you don't have the  bandwidth, part.17:44
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pupnik_cheshair: where do you want to host your program?17:45
threshcheshair: fixing the code is always better.17:45
cheshairpupnik_: host my program? i just want to run some tests17:47
cheshairthresh: i guess you are right. thanks!17:47
pupnik_i was thinking that if you want to submit it to repository, it will need to build properly with autobuilder and whatever gcc they have...17:48
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KhertanSomeone know how to desactivate word completion in a hildon.TextView ?17:49
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pupnik_[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > ping
pupnik_ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted17:51
pupnik_elohel :)17:51
tcarl|workdurrr. Any reason the USB connector on the bottom of the N900 isn't a standard one?17:51
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pupnik_it is a standard one17:52
pupnik_they keep adding to the standard17:52
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X-Fadetcarl|work: micro-usb17:52
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tcarl|workpupnik_: Ah, so much for that. I guess I just didn't have any other devices with that one :P17:52
tcarl|workShows how up to date on the standards I am.17:52
pupnik_yeah.  at least we are past DB-2517:53
X-Fadetcarl|work: About every phone produced from now on will have that.17:53
tcarl|workGood to know. Why for the micro-usb over the 'b' style connectorL17:54
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pupnik_If i could manufacture micro-usb cables without the "break my $800 device" lever-arm, i would.17:55
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SpeedEvilpupnik: you can, but it involves a dremel17:55
X-Fadetcarl|work: smaller, and EU imposed standard.17:55
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SpeedEvilsorry - I have problems with premature returnulation when wearing gloves17:55
SpeedEvilI've made some mini-b - though not micro as yet17:56
pupnik_speed, i can cut away some of the rubber17:56
jebba[2009-12-23 16:45:01] REJECTED: 'File size for /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/asterisk_1.6.2.0.orig.tar.gz does not match that specified in .dsc'17:56
SpeedEvilpupnik_: not really the problem17:56
SpeedEvilpupnik_: though that can take off about half17:56
pupnik_well on the nokia cable it wouldn't help much17:56
SpeedEvilpupnik_: you then need to cut away the metal, and re-fix it so it clamps round the connector, is not held together by the end.17:57
tcarl|workHow many connectors can you possibly have for a 5V - 4 pin connection?!17:57
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pupnik_you're right, SpeedEvil. i doubt i can solder that well though17:57
SpeedEviltcarl|work: A, B, mini-ab, mini-b, microb17:57
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SpeedEvilnot even counting usb317:57
pupnik_anyway, too late for me17:57
tcarl|workSpeedEvil: Right, I knew all the standards, (aside from the micro-b) -- but this is a bit nutso.17:58
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jebbaX-Fade: since yesterday or so, about 90% of the time when i try to upload something it hangs at exactly 192k up (not 192k/sec, 192k total transferred).17:59
tcarl|workwhats the root password on my N900? (sudo apt-get install x11vnc) is not happy.17:59
Oli````How can I save an alias (command for terminal use) on the n900? is there a .aliasrc (or other) file somewhere?17:59
zashOli````: .profile ?17:59
zashOli````: or .bashrc ?18:00
jebba ~/.profile to use it with busybox18:00
SpeedEviltcarl|work: indeed.18:00
SpeedEviltcarl|work: Actually, I'm an advocate of throwing it away. Going with 4-pin 3.5mm for USB.18:00
mgedmintcarl|work, no root password18:00
mgedminunless you set one by installing openssh-server18:01
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SpeedEvilA connector that c<an actually work easily for docking. But the standard is now microb, so we're stuck with that for the next 5 years18:01
Oli````jebba & zash: sticking it in .profile worked well - thanks18:02
zashSpeedEvil: 4 pin "audio jack" with usb?18:02
zashSpeedEvil: like ipod shuffle?18:02
SpeedEvilzash: pretty much18:02
SpeedEvilzash: though I've never seen the shuffle18:03
tcarl|workSpeedEvil: Yeah, its too bad that we've had all the tomfoolery with those connectors.18:03
Sargun_ScreenThe shuffle is stupid.18:03
SpeedEvilall of the USB connectors pretty much fail the 'slam it in the dock' test miserably.18:03
tcarl|workFrom the x-term on the N900, how do I access the super user account? (For instance, to use apt)18:03
pupnik_the freakin planet is INFESTED with python coders, and we have no action on mypaint for maemo...
SpeedEvilsudo gainroot18:03
SpeedEvilafrter installing the right package.18:03
zashSpeedEvil: something more like wireless .. phones have for charging, like DECT?18:04
zashSpeedEvil: just some pins on the bottom18:04
SpeedEvilzash: yes, that would be nicer18:04
tcarl|workSpeedEvil: sudo gainroot :: 'Enable RD mode if you want to break your device'18:04
SpeedEvilzash: it has issues of its own18:04
zashSpeedEvil: would make it realy hard to break18:05
zashby twisting the device etc18:05
zashand cable18:05
SpeedEvilzash: that would be my secondary preference over a magnetic jack of some form.18:05
tcarl|workoh, sudo gainroot 'root access command'18:05
zashSpeedEvil: yeah, that would be nice too18:05
SpeedEvilzash: well - after power over wifi :)18:06
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zashSpeedEvil: yea!, aka microwave-oven-the-size-of-your-hosue18:07
fiferboywazd: I like it18:08
tcarl|work./flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode18:10
tcarl|workYou'd think that nokia would just sell N900s that are unlocked, without any root restrictions on them :P18:13
mgedmininstall rootsh18:15
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X-Fadetcarl|work: They are.18:18
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SpeedEviltcarl|work: child safety locks aren't a bad thingf18:19
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melmothhmmm, my application manager tells me there s a "maemo" udpate18:21
melmothis it a new firmware that s available ?18:21
X-Fademelmoth: Click on details ;)18:22
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fluxtcarl|work, as far as I understand, rd-mode isn't something you're supposed to -use- your phone in18:22
melmothargh, it says it needs the nokia app :-(18:22
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melmothi though update where just coming as new packages with apt-get18:22
ali1234right, rd mode turns on all sorts of debugging stuff you don't want all the time18:22
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X-Fademelmoth: Nokia app?18:23
AndrewBlackok I´m getting worried N900 died this morning put it on usb charge and 3.5 hours later every time I try and turn it one I get it to boot but then says low battery shows red battery icon and then shutsdown18:23
X-FadeAndrewBlack: Use a charger.18:23
melmoththis update needs the nokia update application on your pc. Connect the usb cable and open the update application thingy18:23
melmoth(the original text is in french)18:23
AndrewBlackX-Fade, don´t have one I guess I´m going to the store today18:23
X-FadeAndrewBlack: Some ports give so little juice that it actually costs more than it charges.18:24
BluesLeeis there a dict app in extras?18:24
X-FadeAndrewBlack: Try a proper pc, not a laptop.18:24
AndrewBlackI have car car charger in wifes car I guess I can try that18:24
ali1234in my experience, laptops give out more power than pcs, on usb. cos they are designed to be used without ac power...18:24
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ali1234pc designers seem to think "well, you have to plug in the pc, might as well plug in the hub too..."18:25
X-FadeThe charger charges at 1.2A, so that is quite a lot more than a typical usb port delivers.18:25
AndrewBlackwell I got it on my Desktop now using the ports one back instead of front ports don´t knowif i will help.  Don't think I will make it 5 more hours with no phone lol18:26
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AndrewBlackI should have asked for a phone charger for christmas18:27
X-FadeBasically charges your battery in an hour. Last 5% goes very slowly though.18:27
X-FadeAndrewBlack: What happened to your original one?18:27
DocScrutinizer-8ali1234: actually that's probably just because laptops are more 'cheap' and power conserving design18:27
ali1234that makes no sense :)18:28
AndrewBlackX-Fade, I´m in US and when Quim mailed me N900 from finland all he had was a Euro Plug he sent it but doesn do me an good lol18:28
DocScrutinizer-8so simply have a single fuse for all usb ports rather than sophisticated current control18:28
AndrewBlackX-Fade, I´ve made due using USB and car charger in wifes car until now18:28
ali1234anyway, all i know is none of my external HD enclosures work with any of my PCs without external power source, but they all work with all my laptops without it18:29
X-FadeAndrewBlack: Ah. Well, just use the euro one on your socket. Change the terminals a bit ;)18:29
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DocScrutinizer-8ali1234: that matches well the situation as described by me above18:29
Gadgetoid_mbphow i rite program 4 n900? how is program formed? how n900 get program?18:29
AndrewBlackX-Fade, Can´t put round pegs in a rectangle hole :)18:30
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LeoDit was on the news this mroing, a mother in ar18:30
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X-FadeAndrewBlack: Sure you can, with force.18:30
AndrewBlackand the euro to us adapter is more expensive then a us charger18:30
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AndrewBlackX-Fade, lol18:30
X-FadeAndrewBlack: Or creative soldering.18:30
Gadgetoid_mbpAndrewBlack: Unless the diameter of said rounded peg is smaller than the dimensions of rectangular hole18:30
AndrewBlackitsn´t more then just shape of plug?18:31
Gadgetoid_mbpIn which case, it's actually easier to fit a round peg into a square hole18:31
* AndrewBlack wonders if he can put a Euro plug in his house?18:31
X-FadeAndrewBlack: No. These chargers eat 110 -> 230V 50->60Hz18:32
Gadgetoid_mbpOne should say, you cannot fit a round peg of radius 2x into a square hole with sides equal to x18:32
Gadgetoid_mbpWithout a laser...18:32
DocScrutinizer-8euro(F) to US(M) adapters are 10 a buck18:32
X-FadeI'm pretty sure ebay has $2 adapters.18:33
X-FadeIncluding shipping ;)18:33
cehtehmhm is my wlan at 1mbit because of powersaving or because of bad reception18:33
fluxcehteh, the first one should be easy enough to rule out?18:34
tcarl|workdo not use N900 on ATT network :( no 3G.18:34
DocScrutinizer-8basically always due to #218:34
cehtehi think so, but i am 3 meters from the AP with line of sight18:34
DocScrutinizer-8though switching to 100mW might help for reception18:34
mgedminneighbours use the same wifi channel?18:34
fluxcehteh, how about: 3) some mystic incompatility18:34
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DocScrutinizer-8chan conflict very usual case18:35
cehtehold dlink AP :/18:35
cehtehnah laptop wots well18:36
X-FadeAndrewBlack: $1 incl. shipping ;)18:36
cehtehother problem was that the friggn dhcp there gave an ip out twice :P18:36
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AndrewBlackX-Fade, lol I guess I have no excuse not to order one now18:37
DocScrutinizer-8X-Fade: for 10pcs ?  ;-)18:37
X-FadeAll the way from Hong Kong ;)18:37
dnearyGAN800, What was that keyboard shortcut you mentioned to take a screenshot on Maemo 5?18:37
AndrewBlackX-Fade, so you know its good quality then18:37
DocScrutinizer-8that's incredible indeed18:37
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fluxcehteh, time to upgrade to new 802.11 :)18:38
AndrewBlackI still say only monkeys and use that key combo18:38
cehteh2irc messages lost  strange18:38
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X-FadeAndrewBlack: I've ordered quite a few of these things for all kinds of countries. They generally aren't bad at all.18:38
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fluxandrewblack, yeah, ctrl-shift sucks. I've been seriously considering changing the keymapping to make shift and ctrl adjacent..18:39
X-FadeAndrewBlack: It is just 2 pieces of metal with some plastic, how hard can it be ;)18:39
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tcarl|workThis is pretty cool. When getting a incoming call, turn over the device so the screen faces down towards the table surface = Silence an incoming call18:39
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X-FadeAndrewBlack: lol, 5 for $2 ;)
cehteh2well, i got packages installed at good speed18:40
AndrewBlackX-Fade, then I would need 4 more n900s18:41
X-FadeAndrewBlack: That is quite a nice target ;)18:41
fluxandrewblack, sorry, but I don't see the down side?18:41
Gadgetoid_mbpThe £2000 price?18:41
tcarl|workI have to say that the N900 is a better 'phone' than the iphone is. (Call quality / etc)18:41
fluxandrewblack, with vnc you could have all four desktops visible at once and you'd have one to spare!18:42
Gadgetoid_mbpReally tcarl|work? I don't phone much, so I haven't really grokked that yet18:42
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DocScrutinizer51still far from 10 / buck. well forgot shipping ;-)18:42
tcarl|workGadgetoid_mbp: Yeah, it seems that way. I'm still wrestling with ATT, to port my number to TMobile, and on ATT's network it seems to be a bit better.18:42
tcarl|workIt'll also get much louder than my iphone.18:42
Gadgetoid_mbplouder is good for me, very good18:42
AndrewBlackok if n900 doesn'boot this time I´m givving up til I get charger18:43
Gadgetoid_mbpI was going to use my iPhone for calls and the N900 for geekery18:43
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AndrewBlackgave wife my iphone made her happy18:44
Gadgetoid_mbpSame here AndrewBlack ... so happy she got herself an iPhone 3Gs18:44
tcarl|workAndrewBlack: You don't have a charger for your N900? How does that work? :P18:44
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DocScrutinizer51AndrewBlack: give it time to boot the hidden os after plugin of charger18:45
Gadgetoid_mbpiPhone is small enough for it to be an easy chuck into my gadget bag18:45
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tcarl|workThe only thing I'm fearful about my N900, is the screen -- being that its not made of glass :(18:45
fluxI was at first sorrily disappointed by the 2.5mm/3.5mm to usb adapter18:46
DocScrutinizer51AndrewBlack: I found N900 boot behaviour on chrger is quite weird and different from bott on battery18:46
AndrewBlacktcarl|work, everyone asks that question.  Quim sent me this n900 to do theme devolpment and to take the Linux shows when I got do talks on Mer.  Since he is in europe he only had euro plugs so I can plug it in US18:46
fluxbut then I noticed that my charger was some 350mA one that came with my headset..18:46
X-Fadeflux: lol, that will take a lot of time then ;)18:47
AndrewBlackDocScrutinizer51, n900 is acting crasy I think it just need a good charge from a real source not USB  its so dead its not getting enough power to make it though boot before dying18:47
fluxx-fade, indeed, it wasn't charged fully after a night (8 hours or so)18:47
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Gadgetoid_mbpAndrewBlack: I find that basically every USB chargeable device wont charge from USB when depleted... fun that, isn't it?18:48
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DocScrutinizer51AndrewBlack: I think it should get to he state where yellow led flashes even with 350mA18:48
cehtehAndrewBlack: dont boot then ..18:48
dnearyFunny, when we got the N900s first I set up syncing with Google over MfE, and while it didn't work every time, it mostly worked18:48
dnearyIt allowed me to sync my phone book as a one-off operation, at least18:49
cehtehcharging is controlled by the cpu, it can come to a state where no charging is possible18:49
AndrewBlackGadgetoid_mbp, yeah I have had that problem before but normally i get get n900 to boot after a few hours must reall be dead this tiem18:49
dnearyAnd now, when I try to set it up after reflashing, I don't get past the "server settings" page18:49
dnearyAnyone else had this problem? Is there code checking if you're trying to sync with Google and preventing it now?18:49
AndrewBlackDocScrutinizer51, yeah I get the yellow charging light not not charging enough lol18:49
X-FadeAndrewBlack: Is it cold over there? It can help to put it in your pocket.18:50
Gadgetoid_mbpBig scratchbox is big18:50
DocScrutinizer51AndrewBlack: that's strange18:50
X-FadeBut it should just charge without being booted.18:50
AndrewBlackX-Fade, like 60degrees f18:50
AndrewBlackDocScrutinizer51, Iḿ sure its not helping me trying to boot it ever 20 mintues lol18:51
DocScrutinizer51even with 350mA charger bat should be completely charged after 6h18:51
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: Bringing the usb port up costs power too it seems.18:51
fluxdocscrutinizer51, assuming the device isn't on?18:51
* tcarl|work hates ATT18:52
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: that's well understood here. I had the idea its understood at Nokia as well18:52
DocScrutinizer51flux: exactly18:52
DocScrutinizer51and make that 9h18:53
fluxI've been thinking that the device should be able to give a decent guestimate on battery consumption, judging from cpu load, network load, etc18:53
fluxn810 used to give a runtime in hours for usage and for idle18:53
fluxof course, maybe the device actually knows the battery draw, no idea18:54
DocScrutinizer51flux: lshal l grep bat18:54
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tcarl|workrecommendations for N900 cases?18:55
fluxdocscrutinizer51, yeah, it has that, but I wonder if the reason it isn't shown in the GUI is that it might ont be accurate..18:55
fluxdocscrutinizer51, also it gives only one number18:55
tcarl|workanyone done any rsync backup with their N900 yet? :P18:56
DocScrutinizer51flux: probably some part of hw / fw was smarter on N81018:56
tcarl|workWould a case like this: cause problems with bringing up the pointer in the web browser?18:57
DocScrutinizer51anyway. Need to prepare for 3 days of emergency18:57
tcarl|workHeh, the N900 does seem to get pretty warm, during calls.18:59
fluxtcarl|work, umm, how would the sliding keyboard work with that?19:00
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SpeedEvilit's in two parts19:00
fluxtcarl|work, I bought zagg's invisible shield, seems to be a decent one that doesn't affect operating at all (the stylus doesn't slide as good as it used to now, though)19:01
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flux..but the film sure was a bitch to put on, especially over the display..19:02
DocScrutinizer51this sleve is covering the ambient light sensor :-(19:04
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TomaszDdoes anyone experience ham getting stuck while updating on pr1.1?19:04
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tcarl|workflux: Yeah, I looked at that, and heard horror stories of trying to get that shield over the display, and how it was damn near impossible to get rid of all the bubbles.19:09
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AndrewBlackflux, I thought the zagg ones were easy to install once you wet them19:12
fluxtcarl|work, indeed, it's a bit difficult :). and better do it in a room with relatively little dust.. like a clean-room :)19:12
fluxandrewblack, yes.. have you tried doing it?19:12
fluxit comes with a sponge for wetting them19:12
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AndrewBlackflux, Haven´t ordered one for n900 yet but had one for my iphone19:12
AndrewBlackflux to fix dust problem run hot shower in bathroom steam gets dust wet then it settles19:13
tcarl|workhmm. To use the flasher with the N900, do you need to set it in mass storage mode? or pc suite mode?19:14
tcarl|workPC Suite mode, doesn't seem to work. :(19:14
fluxafter a few days I readjusted mine, it turned out to be ok.. except the corners got some damage. but I'll live with it :)19:14
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fluxI also got a full shield that also covers the backside, and it had the added benefit that the backside also gets a bit sticky.. it won't slide off things as easily either :)19:14
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tcarl|workflux: Cool. I'm most concerned about the fact the screen isn't made of glass.19:15
SpeedEviltcarl|work: the screen is19:15
SpeedEviltcarl|work: the front element is not.19:16
SpeedEvilAnd with a screen protector, you can't damage the front element without smashing the glass.19:16
tcarl|workright, either way, the resistive touchscreen element is not glass.19:16
SpeedEvilthrough mechanical impact)19:16
tcarl|workmeaning scratchy scratchy.19:16
SpeedEvilreplace protector -> no scratched19:16
fluxmine was for two weeks without the film, didn't get a scratch on it19:17
dnearyAnyone here thinking of presenting at FOSDEM?19:17
fluxof course, I was a big careful about it, knowing the film was coming19:17
tcarl|workYeah, I'm tempted to try that. The difficulty of installation is currently a turn-off to me though.19:17
Cloktoo bad nokia didn't include a case like they did with n81019:17
SpeedEvilit's really not hard19:17
tcarl|workdoes --enable-rd-mode usually take forever?19:18
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tcarl|workSpeedEvil: Yeah, but I'm a perfectionist :P19:20
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aspiditesgoogling be damned I can't seem to find an apt command that will list all packages belonging to a repository. apt-cache showpkg seems to list installed packages and apt-cache search * produces nothing.19:21
tcarl|workaspidites: pipe the output from showpkg to apt-get install19:22
tcarl|workoh nevermind.19:22
tcarl|workyou want available packages, not installed ones :P19:22
aspiditesthis is why i like my archlinux :-)19:22
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TomaszDare repositories unresponsive completely?19:23
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tcarl|workaspidites: apt-cache pkgnames19:23
tcarl|workpipe that to install19:23
aspiditestcarl|work: will try19:24
aspiditesno dice. reading "apt-cache --help" also reveals that that command is only for installed packages not installable ones19:27
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tcarl|workwhat the hell?19:27
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tcarl|workwhy can't I enable RD mode on my phone through the flasher?19:27
tcarl|workMethod is not supported in the current mode :(19:28
ml-N900are you in the bootloader or is the pohone running normally?19:28
tcarl|workphone is running normally.19:29
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aspiditeshmm.. wonder if i could use a regex with apt-cache search19:29
tcarl|workmaemo@maemo-desktop:~/Desktop/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2$ sudo ./flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode19:29
tcarl|workflasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009)19:29
tcarl|workUSB device found found at bus 001, device address 002.19:29
tcarl|workUsing flashing protocol Mk II.19:29
tcarl|workMethod is not supported in the current mode19:29
tcarl|workwrong paste.19:29
tcarl|workSorry about that.19:29
tcarl|workWas going to link to pastebin, apologies for the flood.19:29
TomaszDshut the phone down...19:29
TomaszDrun the command...19:29
TomaszDplug the phone19:29
tcarl|workah. command loads the phone.19:29
tcarl|workgot it.19:29
tcarl|workI'm an idiot.19:29
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TomaszDis anyone else having terrible troubles with the repositories? I barely got one successful apt-get update out of 15 tries19:30
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TomaszDthis is with PR1.119:31
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aspiditesgot it to work using regex :-)19:32
tcarl|workcool, what cmd did ya use?19:33
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aspiditesapt-cache search [a-z,A-Z,0-9]19:33
tcarl|workassuming you have no packages that start with odd characters :)19:33
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aspiditestcarl|work: true. i think debian has packaging standards that prevent that, which is why i didn't worry19:34
tcarl|workHopefully :)19:34
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tcarl|workif you're against official debian repositories, I'm sure they adhere to that.19:34
tcarl|workBut, against non official repositories, I'd watch out.19:35
aspiditesgod forbid i have to install a package named @&^Rsome_app19:35
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lardmanevening chaps19:35
aspiditesevening lardman19:35
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SpeedEvilStupid predictive text.19:36
SpeedEvilI just accidentally identified to 'ni'.19:36
* SpeedEvil sighs.19:36
SpeedEvil(already changed passwords)19:36
tcarl|workthats not good.19:36
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Kht_n900Hi again !19:37
Kht_n900noone have an idea on how to remove word completion in a hildon Textview ?19:37
GAN900I see Sygic is abusing the logo.19:38
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DocScrutinizer-8SpeedEvil: disable predictive, disable autocap. sucks19:38
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kevloralhi all19:39
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I dunno.19:39
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: predictive is just useful enough for me that I keep it on.19:39
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: only just though.19:39
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Kht_n900I WAnT to make it optional for pygtkeditor19:40
Kht_n900this is why i want to found a way to inactive it19:41
DocScrutinizer-8I thought that as well. but ended with always missing one of the needed double-bs to correct typos. that's when 8 was fed up with it19:41
arachnistKht_n900: you can disable it alltogether19:41
Kht_n900did you know how to innactivate it on a textview ?19:41
Kht_n900how ?19:42
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Kht_n900there isn t anything in api about that19:43
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DocScrutinizer-8SpeedEvil: autocap is a mega pita for passwords. so that's no good as well19:44
SpeedEvilespecailly with the breakage in some cases meaning it's always *'d19:45
SpeedEvilthe ability to turn that off would be nice.19:45
RST38hwhere is firmware 51-1????19:45
SpeedEvilshoulder surfing is lots less of a risk whern the chars are 3mm high19:45
DocScrutinizer-8SpeedEvil: full ack19:46
TomaszDanyone experiencing ?19:46
povbotBug 7277: Often stalls indefinitely while refreshing repositories, stalls while downloading packages19:46
Kht_n900so noone know how to remove autocaps in a textview ?19:47
TomaszDKht_n900: you're talking about capitalizing first letter in a text box?19:47
Kht_n900i m browsing documentation, example code, mailing list for 3 hours ago19:47
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Kht_n900TomaszD : and word completion19:48
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lcukTomaszD, nop, but are you experiencing
povbotBug 7276: maemo optify works in postinst and breaks still when space is limited19:48
DocScrutinizer-8Kht_n900: I know of global setting only19:48
TomaszDKht_n900: check out
Kht_n900arg :(19:48
Kht_n900i ll look19:48
Kht_n900thx tomaszD19:48
TomaszDlcuk: I think they fixed it in PR1.119:49
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lcukfixed without a bug report19:49
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TomaszDRST38h: PR1.1 community testing19:50
lcukyeah i know what it is19:50
* lcuk isnt working from 42.1119:50
X-FadeTomaszD: Works for me?19:50
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lcukbesides, this is maemo-optify in the sdk/builder19:51
TomaszDX-Fade: presummit or summit device?19:51
RST38hTomaszD: Where is it though? =)19:51
lardmanlol @ backup app warnings19:51
Kht_n900TomaszD: it s works ! THANKS A LOT !19:51
lcukhey lardman \o19:51
* RST38h would happily test 51-1 =)19:52
lardman"device contains file of the same name, rename backup" but what's the bloody file in question you stupid computer!? ;)19:52
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TomaszDRST38h: report bugs and be active, maybe you'll get invited next time around :)19:52
lardmanhi lcuk19:52
TomaszDKht_n900: np19:52
X-FadeTomaszD: Legacy.19:52
lcuklardman, i knew there was something to show you, lemme dig the photo i tool in barcelona19:53
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TomaszDX-Fade: legacy here as well. Third time restarted fmradio install, finally went through, very weird19:53
wazdRST38h: : haha, you're an unactive loser :D19:53
TomaszDif you say so wazd, I don't get to choose who gets an invite19:54
wazdRST38h: welcome to the club :D19:54
RST38hTomaszD: You mean, all these reports of "still not working in 51-1" I am getting are for someone else's bugs?19:55
RST38hwazd: Yea, falling below the event horizon...19:55
wazdRST38h: well, I can make some tea before you'll join me in singularity :D19:56
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VDVsxRST38h, you're not in the list ?19:56
RST38hVDVsx: Apparently not19:56
VDVsxstrange since you're one of the people with more bug reports19:56
RST38hVDVsx: I am probably too much of PITA or something :)19:57
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office_office ej19:57
wazdRST38h: : You're too much blonde! © Fightclub :)19:58
lcukseen on a bilboard right outside the hotel19:58
RST38hwazd: Me? Blonde?19:58
* RST38h facepalms19:58
wazdRST38h: : yep :D19:58
wazdRST38h: : *too much* :)19:58
DocScrutinizer-8well the photo was tooled19:59
VDVsxRST38h, your are #4 in bug reports :(20:01
RST38hVDVsx: well there is a slight probability that GMail classified invitation as spam20:01
VDVsxRST38h, probably20:02
VDVsxbetter check20:02
wazdoooh, I know what I'll do20:02
wazdI'll take Vlad's n810 :D20:02
VDVsxRST38h, actually is #9 :D20:03
RST38hwazd: Glue two of 'em together!20:03
tcarl|worktime to port my number!20:03
* wazd plays with hardware eToken pass generator20:03
RST38hVDVsx: Nah, nothing.20:04
wazdRST38h: : DS style :)20:04
RST38hwazd: Use a door hinge!20:04
wazdRST38h: : yeah :)20:04
wazdRST38h: : Pandora style :D20:05
Gadgetoid_mbpI'm wondering if I should get a Droid on contract and sell it to some smuck, equalling a massively discounted contract... but the word "contract" doesn't turn me on unless it's preceded by "rolling, 1 month"20:05
RST38hHas Pandora shipped already?20:05
Gadgetoid_mbpRST38h: only preliminary mass production units to super mega core devs20:05
lcukGadgetoid_mbp, a rolling one month contract can still land you in shit20:05
DocScrutinizer-8hmm. never thought about using my spare 810 this way ;-P20:05
lcukprepaid ftw normally20:05
Gadgetoid_mbplcuk: true, dat20:05
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: you're in the states?20:06
Gadgetoid_mbpI'd like a good prepaid data/voice SIM, that I could top up with about £15 a month20:06
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Gadgetoid_mbpSpeedEvil: UK20:06
wazdRST38h: : no, but amniotic fluids are gone already :)20:06
SpeedEvilwazd: the eink one from paypal?20:06
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: do you use many minutes?20:07
Gadgetoid_mbpI'd call it a Milestone, but then nobody knows what the hell I'm talking about20:07
Gadgetoid_mbpSpeedEvil: Approximately none20:07
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: or is it data only?20:07
Gadgetoid_mbpMy £15/pm is data only at the moment20:07
wazdSpeedEvil: nah, basic LCD20:07
RST38hwazd: Somehow I keep believing they are trying to deliver the baby through a wrong orifice though20:07
Gadgetoid_mbpIt can send texts at cost, and probably even theoretically receive calls20:07
lardmanlcuk: :)20:07
wazdSpeedEvil: but it has cool special effect when numbers appear :)20:08
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Gadgetoid_mbpI'd ultimately love a PAYG voice SIM bonded magically to a monthly data SIM20:08
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: one option - for cheap calls - is tmobile - which with a PAYG sim, and a 6 month internet booster - for a total of 25 quid gets you a sim and a 6 month contract.20:08
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: err20:08
Gadgetoid_mbpSpeedEvil: Or what you just said...20:08
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: SIM and 6 months data capped at 1G/mo20:08
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: well - with a fair use of ratehr20:08
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Gadgetoid_mbp1g/mo isn't great, but realistically I'm not going to exceed that on a mobile20:09
Gadgetoid_mbpAnd, at that price, I could keep my data SIM anyway20:09
SpeedEvilAnd 20/6 is a good price20:09
lcuklardman, ho wmuch snow is at yourend?20:09
ali1234t-mobile is unlimited, 1GB "fair use", after that they degrade you to gprs20:09
wazd - render failed20:09
wazdthere's nothing under volume wheel20:10
Gadgetoid_mbpI love the abuse of the term "unlimited"20:10
SpeedEvilali1234: hitting 1G/mo - if you're in wifi range most of the time - is gonna be hard though20:10
ali1234at least on web'n'walk20:10
SpeedEvilali1234: this isn't web and walk20:10
ali1234yeah i have never gone over the 1GB that i know of20:10
Gadgetoid_mbpwazd: why look at renders? there's photos of mass production devices...20:10
wazdGadgetoid_mbp: well, render is still failed :)20:10
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Gadgetoid_mbpI'm in wifi range unless in a car, in which case I'm still in wifi range on long journeys thanks to the MiFi20:10
Gadgetoid_mbpnice spot wazd, I never noticed it!20:10
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: topcashback are now only offering 15% on nokia alas.20:12
ali1234also 3 has a data only plan with unlimited free skype calls20:12
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Gadgetoid_mbpSpeedEvil: I don't know if I'll even get my cashback20:12
ali1234so you'd only have to pay for skype-out minutes or w/e20:12
Gadgetoid_mbpThe day of reckoning approaches20:12
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SpeedEvilGadgetoid: oh - I diddn't realise you'd bought already.20:12
Gadgetoid_mbpBut from what I know about the cashback process (from first hand experience) Nokia will not pay up20:12
Gadgetoid_mbpYeah SpeedEvil, did 2x15% discount + TopCashBack20:13
wazd - oober oldskool20:13
SpeedEvil(inc spare bat)20:13
Gadgetoid_mbpI'm just looking for a SIM to put in it, as I've got either PAYG Orange, or Three Data Only20:13
Gadgetoid_mbpNice one20:13
lardmanlcuk: almost nothing, just a dusting then ice20:13
lardmanlcuk: is raining now20:13
Gadgetoid_mbpI'll grab a free spare bat, anyhow.. BLAG POWER20:13
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: my n900 is working well with tmob anyway20:14
Gadgetoid_mbpMobile phone accessory shops email me all the time, as part of their goddamned link building strategies20:14
lcukyou lucky thing, the sideroads here (my house) are totally white still, main roads now clearing20:14
lardmanI'd like some snow actually! :)20:14
Gadgetoid_mbpThanks for the tip off, SpeedEvil, I'll definitely look into it at that price20:14
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Gadgetoid_mbpI've used t-mob before (Vario 3/TyTN II) and liked 'em20:14
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: it's hidden - go to payg accounts - and then ignore the obvious internet options, and hit 'boosters'20:15
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ali1234awesome, e-uae compiles and runs with no mods :)20:16
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pupnikali1234: you know that uae4all was built for maemo?20:17
ali1234where is it?20:17
pupnikwhere else20:17
Gadgetoid_mbpSpeedEvil: Very hidden!20:17
ali1234it;s in the repos now?20:17
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pupnikalso 441080 Feb 29  2008 uae_0.8.25-6_gregale.deb20:18
pupnikneeds a nice gui20:18
ali1234does it use the e-uae gui?20:18
pupnikactually i never got the source iirc20:19
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Gadgetoid_mbpSpeedEvil: 5 days mobile internet at £2.50, assuming 30 days in a month, 30/5*2.5 = £1520:19
ali1234why does everyone uae uae4all for arm ports?20:20
ali1234isn't it for sh4?20:20
pupniki dunno man, working on other things20:20
ali1234what's the advantage over upstream?20:20
pupnikuae_0.8 ran about 4 fps and i got uae4all up to about 20 with -fprofile-generate20:20
ali1234e-uae is running plenty fast ...20:21
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ali1234can't see the timer, will investigate after i eat20:21
pupnikplease tell me it's not using sdl audio20:21
ali1234almost certainly is20:21
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pupniki was putzing with that for days, trying to get sdl-audio running with pasuspender20:21
pupnikit loses it every 10 seconds or so, regardless of load20:22
pupnikwhereas something like mplayer -ao alsa will run happily w/o issues20:22
Gadgetoid_mbpWow, a Christmas miracle. TNT picked the Droid up at 6:2220:22
pupnikhm i have an idea20:23
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n900evilgadget yeah - not that20:25
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n900evilhmm paste into xchat?20:28
n900evilgadg: services- boosters-
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Gadgetoid_mbp - would be nice if it said what the "generous free mobile internet allowance" actually was20:30
pupnikqwer[tab] [tab] :/20:30
Gadgetoid_mbpn900evil: cheers!20:30
pupnikfunny to see who disappears and gets active over the holidays20:31
pupniks/gets/who gets/20:31
infobotpupnik meant: funny to see who disappears and who gets active over the holidays20:31
Gadgetoid_mbpn900evil: very, VERY hidden! sheesh... I was looking at the PAYG SIMs themselves20:32
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Gadgetoid_mbpCan't complain about £3.33/month20:33
simula_if anybody finds a pay as you go tmobile internet option in the states that's cheap... tell me :)20:34
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* Gadgetoid_mbp orders a free PAYG SIM from T-mob20:35
GiantTalkingCowA free what?20:35
Gadgetoid_mbpPAYG = Pay As You Go20:35
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bongo|kuphEy, could someone please check if it's possible to port klogic to maemo?20:35
GiantTalkingCowAh. I was planning to get an unlocked phone and then go with something similar myself.20:36
pupniklink, bongo|kup20:36
Gadgetoid_mbpAlso says "Top up £10 for FREE unlimited internet & texts next month"20:36
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Gadgetoid_mbpAlthough I don't foresee toping up £10/month20:37
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bongo|kupdIrect hit on google ... Im typing from my phone, sorry, pupnik20:37
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pupniklooks doable bongo|kup20:39
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cehtehgrr .. a little spring came off the camera slide here..20:41
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bongo|kupSo it is time to install the sdk20:42
pupnikbongo|kup: need a kde/qt person to look into it and see how nasty the kde integration is20:42
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pupnikUnmet build dependencies: kdelibs4-dev20:42
arachnistkde integration is always beautiful :)20:43
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cehtehgrr ... yes exactly that20:45
Gadgetoid_mbpHmm, I don't slide my camera enough to have that problem yet20:47
roadithe original headset of the n900 are really bad...  missing bass and missing mid-range sound :(20:49
cehtehi didnt slide it much20:49
cehtehbut the black cap is really thin and only glued to the blue plastic20:50
cehtehroadi: i dont even consider to try them out :)20:50
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Gadgetoid_mbproadi: Ask Nokia nicely, and they might give you some Sennheiser i7s to replace them20:52
Gadgetoid_mbpClearly your headset is broken20:52
Gadgetoid_mbpie8s even!20:52
* cehteh has a sennheiser px200 .. i can really recommend it20:52
Gadgetoid_mbpcehteh: they were good!20:52
arachnisti have sennheiser hd595 and i can really recommend it20:53
Gadgetoid_mbpBut I use Roland RH300s now20:53
arachnistbut they're not something one might want to walk around20:53
arachnist(waay too big)20:53
pupniki can de-recommend the Ultimate Ears 5.1 headphones.  bad seals and corroded cables.20:53
cehtehconsidering to buy a pxc300 with noise canceling20:53
pupnikearbuds rather20:53
cehtehi dont like earbuds20:53
roadihave a really good mix ... you can test it... btw i have a 40 euro creative usb sound card with headset.20:53
Gadgetoid_mbpAlso got the noise cancelling cans20:53
cehtehclosed headphones ftw20:53
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Gadgetoid_mbpcehteh: the PXC350 are good20:54
Gadgetoid_mbpThe PXC300... not so much20:54
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cehtehGadgetoid: ah yes was 350 ..20:54
cehtehthe newest one i mean20:54
Gadgetoid_mbpBut I've only ever really used my 350s on flights20:54
ShadowJKthe original, like all canalphones, will sound like crap if you don't get airtight seal20:54
ShadowJKcorroded cables?20:54
Gadgetoid_mbpI still swear by the Roland RH300, don't need noise cancelling as they just drown out everything quieter than the inside of a jet liner20:55
Gadgetoid_mbpAnd you can get 'em for around £140 now20:55
* RST38h never bought wired headphones for more than $9.9920:55
RST38hshould I?20:55
Gadgetoid_mbpRST38h: yes20:55
RST38hbut why20:55
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Gadgetoid_mbpI'm half deaf and I can tell the difference...20:55
arachnistRST38h: because, unless you're deaf, the difference is staggering20:56
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ShadowJKI had wireless headphones after getting tired of wires that become so stiff and brittle within 6months they just break... but then I switched back to wired when I couldnMt find wireless with nice sound20:56
Gadgetoid_mbpalthough that does make me favour headphones that are capable of being ridiculously loud- by which I mean you can comfortably use them as desktop speakers without distortion20:56
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Gadgetoid_mbpShadowJK: stiff and brittle wires? where the hell do you live!20:56
arachnisti want to get sennheiser cx500 or ie8 for use with the N90020:57
RST38hwazd: yandex may port their maps!20:57
Gadgetoid_mbpThe IE8 are very good arachnist20:57
Gadgetoid_mbpMaybe a little pricey though20:57
arachnistGadgetoid_mbp: using headphones as speakers can damage them20:57
ShadowJKthe plastic in them degrades20:57
* RST38h is probably deaf then =(20:57
Gadgetoid_mbparachnist: not when they're decent headphones ;)20:58
ShadowJKI like sennheiser... but not enough to pay cx500 årice without testing first20:58
Gadgetoid_mbpSennheiser IE7 are good enough, and really quite affordable in the grand scheme of things20:58
arachnistGadgetoid_mbp: a friend of mine has damaged his HD555's20:58
Gadgetoid_mbpI think I had the CX500s in, too, but didn't listen to them20:58
wazdRST38h: : well, some guy has already made a plugin for MM20:59
Gadgetoid_mbparachnist: that's because those are cheap rubbish...20:59
cehtehthe px200 is now available for 30-40 eur or so20:59
cehtehand it is really good .. closed comfortable headphone, but doesnt fit anyones ears20:59
arachnistGadgetoid_mbp: HD555 ~ HD59520:59
ShadowJKcx300 is dirt cheap, ludicrously lots of bass, and for me too loud with n900 on /lowest/ volume setting...20:59
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RST38hwazd: but it is a patch to MM really20:59
RST38hnot very useful =(20:59
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arachnistGadgetoid_mbp: there's not much difference20:59
Gadgetoid_mbparachnist: my statement still stands20:59
arachnistGadgetoid_mbp: your statement is a fail20:59
Gadgetoid_mbpI have absolutely blasted the bejesus out of my Rolands, they're immortal20:59
cehtehhow long does your n900 take to charge on the charger?21:00
Gadgetoid_mbpI use them plugged into a bass amp so I can hear it over everything else21:00
arachnistcehteh: hour or 221:00
RST38hwazd: btw, is your transmission ui mockup going to be used in transmission?21:00
fluxarachnist, from zero?21:00
fluxbecause it's taken 4 hours for me :-o21:00
arachnistflux: yes21:00
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fluxmaybe I need to re-benchmark it21:00
* cehteh playing netradio while charging and it was almost full (was on usb before) and it takes ages now21:00
wazdRST38h: if qwerty12 will cure his IRCfobia then yes :D21:00
cehtehblinking orange21:00
RST38hhe is afraid of irc? since when?21:00
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wazd~seen qwerty1221:01
infobotqwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 20d 37m 12s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'.21:01
cehtehis there some bug where it blinks orange but doesnt charge?21:01
Gadgetoid_mbpAs much as I love Sennheiser 'phones I always go back to them21:01
cehtehbut reports its charging21:01
wazdRST38h: for 20 days already :)21:01
Gadgetoid_mbpwazd: did a transmission UI mockup!?21:01
Gadgetoid_mbpMe wubb transmission21:02
Gadgetoid_mbpwazd: You're a genius21:02
pupnikhope he's ok.  has a nice timidity project21:03
Gadgetoid_mbpLoe the divider/progress bar idea21:03
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Gadgetoid_mbpAnd the colourful lovliness of all the info on the front screen complete with icons21:03
wazdGadgetoid_mbp: thanks, but far from it yet :)21:03
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RST38hwazd: poor guy21:03
RST38hHmm...MicroEmulator is running on n90021:03
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zashHey, real clocks have the minute hand above the hour hand!21:04
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* Gadgetoid_mbp would also love a quick launcher for the N900, it's lacking in the launcher dept21:04
wazdfail :)21:04
Gadgetoid_mbpBut I'd want to swipe up and get a left/right scrolling dock21:04
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zashGadgetoid_mbp: gnome do?!21:04
* RST38h wonders whether he should package microemulator21:05
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Gadgetoid_mbpzash: like that only less sucky21:05
Gadgetoid_mbpgnome do annoyed me for reasons I can't even remember, looked into it for my Samsung NC10 a while back... before OSX broke my MBR and took over21:06
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cosmo_does anyone know if it's possible to use DUN of another phone from n900?21:09
cosmo_like the internet tablets did21:09
BabelOcosmo_: yes you can21:09
cosmo_from the ui?21:09
BabelOdund is whjat you want21:10
BabelOcosmo_: did not see from ui21:10
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pupnikRST38h: any thoughts on 'nogr'?21:12
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pupnikI am suspecting "run away" is the proper action atm.21:13
ali1234yeah, so, your uae4all doesn't work, it just instantly crashes out21:14
pupnikwasn't built for n90021:14
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Gadgetoid_mbpexcuses excuses21:17
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RST38hpupnik: I have not seen the source yet, have to take a look21:17
Gadgetoid_mbphonestly, you'd think these devs worked for free in their space time or something21:17
RST38hpupnik: also, doing to work right now, will probably finish it by 23:00 local21:17
pupnikk cheers!  -- not many bbc micro fans apparently :/21:18
Gadgetoid_mbpWoo Maemo SDK installed21:18
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ali1234hey, so, with sound emulation turned off, e-uae runs at 100% A500 speed on n90021:20
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ali1234now i just need to figure out why it wont let me turn sound on...21:21
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lcukbecause paula isnt there :P21:21
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ali1234it;s only using about 70% CPU too.21:22
ali1234which means it should run full speed even with pulse overhead :)21:23
Gadgetoid_mbpCall me back when someone's invented a key for ScummVM that skips the bloody intro in Simon 221:25
GAN900VDVsx, ping?21:26
VDVsxGAN900, pong21:26
Gadgetoid_mbpGAN900, Request Timed Out21:27
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ali1234doesn't it have a "fast forward" mode?21:27
ali1234maybe i'm thinking of something else21:27
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Gadgetoid_mbpHmm, I'm eating healthy.... a plate of fried things and not one of them is bacon21:28
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ali1234well, so much for that plan. after enabling sound, pulse uses 25% and hildon-status-menu uses 7% CPU21:30
cehtehmhm easter egg. .. doubleklick on the power button == lock device21:31
Gadgetoid_mbpWoo, scratchbox is... uh... booting?21:32
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pupnikthat is why we have to either fix libSDL audio for alsa, or write alsa-backend for each sdl app21:34
pupnik'we'.  meaning i failed.21:34
pupnikso far21:34
Milo-realised a serious flaw in n900's design. it has no hole for hand strap (so you can shake it without dropping it accidentally)21:34
cehteheh it has21:35
simula_it does21:35
lcukMilo-, you fail to look carefully (like me in some things)21:35
cehtehyou didnt rtfm21:35
Milo-oh, where is it? :o21:35
GAN900Milo-, does too.21:35
lcukits got a lanyard pin/hole near the usb21:35
GAN900Bottom left21:35
cehtehis a handstrap part of the box? there was none in my box21:35
Milo-oh then it's on the wrong side :P21:35
Milo-phone for lefties :C21:36
kevloralcehteh: none in mine either21:36
pupnikwhat do i need to purchase to stick in that hole and get a strap?21:36
lcukMilo-, i wish21:36
pupnikah found it21:36
GAN900pupnik, a Wiimote21:36
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pupnikWhere is the other side of the hole GAN90021:37
pupnikor is that a clicking pipn mechanism?21:37
Milo-I opened the back of the phone21:38
Milo-it's just an empty hole21:38
GAN900pupnik, you stick a loop through the hole and set it over the post inside21:38
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Milo-it's there21:38
Milo-found it21:38
pupnikachaa ty21:38
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Milo-since my eyes are clearnoy not working for this job21:39
Milo-can anyone see where I put my e71's strap? :c21:39
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Gadgetoid_mbpGief lanyard plz21:39
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arachnistMilo-: under the bed21:41
madrazrHello is there any way to speed up the process of accepting the invitation to upload packages to extra-devel repo like asking an admin here on IRC or something?21:42
Milo-found it, wasn't under the bed21:42
Milo-it was on the floor, where I had left it like a year ago21:42
arachnist"on the floor, where I had left it like a year ago" <| that scared me, kind of21:42
pupnikLol $20 for a strap + lanyard from oakley21:43
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Milo-I have a habbit of reeling such straps around my finger until I slip and then they fly away21:44
Milo-and place somewhere where I can't be bothered to go21:44
pupnikmadrazr: what are you uploading?21:44
Milo-for example my memory stick, it has a strapstring21:44
madrazrpupnik: few python packages like bpython etc which are not there in the repo as far as I see21:45
Milo-so far it has once hit the light bulb (broke the glass :( )21:45
Milo-and it has hit the wall gazillion times21:45
pupnikty madrazr very nice21:45
madrazrpupnik: whats is the easiest way to check if the package has already been ported or is in some porting process? (I am mostly for python related stuff :P )21:46
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pupnikdunno, i google and browse the repos21:48
madrazrpupnik: Oh Ok21:48
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pupnikplease stick with it.  a lot of effort gets wasted by ppl building local packages21:49
fralsgod brainstorm is slow ;<21:49
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madrazrpupnik: I am sorry if I am bugging you, is there any way to speed up invitation acceptance process?21:49
madrazrpupnik: sure21:49
Milo-Nokia doesn't want to add any new features, which is why the page is so slow21:49
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baraujomadrazr, I got my invitation accepted in one day, so it should not be long before yours arrive21:52
madrazrbaraujo: Oh cool!21:52
madrazrbaraujo: thanks for that info, I can wait for one day, not a big deal :)21:53
GAN900madrazr, X-Fade handles invites and it is nearly Christmas. ;)21:53
baraujomadrazr, but then again, with the holidays and all, maybe it can take a little more time :)21:53
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madrazrGAN900: baraujo: heh Ok, NP21:54
Milo-is qmake good for Maemo5 Qt-code?21:54
Milo-I mean can you use it in scratchbox?21:55
Gadgetoid_mbpHmm, just got to learn what the hell I'm supposed to do with scratchbox now21:55
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AakashPatelMilo-: yes21:59
bleaderis there a trick to copy/paste a phone number ? would be nice to search something online and be able to paste the phone number directly21:59
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Milo-bleader hilight it and ctrl+c?22:00
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bleaderon n900 ? I mean being able to paste it to the phone application to call directly22:00
bleadercopy works, but theres on way to get the buffer back in the application it seems22:01
Gadgetoid_mbpOkay, what do I type into scratchbox to port Unreal Tournament? :D22:01
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Gadgetoid_mbpbleader: ctrl+v ?22:01
Milo-bleader ctrl+v works22:02
Gadgetoid_mbpWould be even nicer if the browser detected phone numbers and hyperlinked them, like a certain other mobile device22:02
ShadowJKI guess you first learn opengl and then opengl es...22:02
DarwinSurvivorI need help connecting to the n810's internal gps over the network (gpsd port 2947)22:02
bleaderoh damn, so used to the linux way I didn't even thought of ctrl+c / ctrl+v22:02
bleadersorry for my stupidity22:02
GAN900UT isn't open source22:02
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Gadgetoid_mbpbleader: read the shortcuts guide, it's awesome22:02
Milo-bleader which is weird, because linux supports ctrl+c/v ._·22:03
ShadowJKMilo: not really22:03
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Milo-well, the gui-layers do22:03
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ShadowJKkde and gnome might, and the multiple clipboards thing makes it the more confusing :)22:04
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Milo-does not22:04
bleaderMilo-: never used it in any linux application select/middle-click or shitf+ins22:04
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Gadgetoid_mbpi love the fact that this sandbox Maemo development environment is sandboxed in a VM required to run it on OSX in the first place22:04
Milo-bleader true, but they still work22:04
Gadgetoid_mbpWhat's a double sandbox? A kitty litter?22:04
ShadowJKshift-ins is equivalent to ctrl-c on windows, dunno about kde/gnome22:05
bleaderMilo-: yep, just didn't think of it at all22:05
bleaderthanks anyway22:05
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Gadgetoid_mbpFolks, join ze #n90022:05
Milo-bleader it's definitely a biggie when you occasionally have to use windows-machines at school or work and none of the gui-enchanchements work :D22:05
Gadgetoid_mbpChatting in #maemo about maemo would be nice for a change22:05
ShadowJKI have linux computer and run sdk in the ubuntu vm on it...22:05
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ali1234you know what would be good?22:05
ali1234a metapackage that removes all those dumb "installers" and then enables all the extras repos22:06
Gadgetoid_mbpali1234: Hahaha22:06
bleaderShadowJK: I like the way you think22:06
ali1234because doing all that crap everytime i have to reflash is getting annoying22:06
Gadgetoid_mbpali1234: those installers are a bit like the AOL trials of the mobile world22:06
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ali1234yes i know22:06
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Milo-which installers? ._·22:07
ali1234which is why a metapackage to remove them would be nice22:07
Gadgetoid_mbpYay, phones with crapware!22:07
ShadowJKI guess you still can't remove the games without breaking stuff?22:07
ali1234"facebook installer" "amazon installer" "foreca installer" etc etc22:07
Milo-ali1234 ah those22:07
Milo-removed them as well22:07
Gadgetoid_mbpI'll admit to running facebook installer, did it just put a facebook shortcut on my sodding desktop?22:07
ali1234yeah i've removed them about 10 times now22:07
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ali1234Gadgetoid pretty much yes22:07
Milo-Gadgetoid_mbp oh speaking of crapware. Apple tries to force adverting in computers and embedded devices22:07
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ali1234Gadgetoid and you can install it thru app manager anyway22:08
Milo-all suddenly a fullscreen non-closable ad comes to your screeeen22:08
Milo-and you're screwed :P22:08
ShadowJKno there was a facebook shortcut there already22:08
Gadgetoid_mbpMilo-: the day that happens, I uninstall OSX and install Ubuntu22:08
Gadgetoid_mbpBut I'll still buy Macs22:08
ShadowJKrunning the facebook installer just results in making a widget avaiable that halves your batterylife22:08
Milo-Gadgetoid_mbp Jobs wants that to be enforced in _all_ operating systems 8D22:08
SpeedEvilMilo-: In certain circumstances, I might accept that for shiny hardware.22:08
SpeedEvilMilo-: No, it's a patent.22:08
Gadgetoid_mbpMilo-: Best of luck to him22:08
ali1234ok chaps i'm going to make that metapackage22:08
Milo-SpeedEvil at first22:09
SpeedEvilMilo-: This doesn't mean that it's something they're going to actualy use.22:09
Milo-then he will conquer the world with it22:09
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Milo-and make everyone's life living hell22:09
Gadgetoid_mbpali1234: you will be loved by all22:09
Gadgetoid_mbpali1234: but wont you need to install one of the extra repos in order to get that meta package in the first place?22:09
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tcarl|workyaay. off of att.22:09
Milo-if that day comes, jobs better have a pretty good life guard next to him at all times, because pissed people will be pisse22:09
tcarl|workTMobile ++ :)22:10
ali1234no, i'll copy it on my /opt then flashing won't delete it22:10
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ali1234and just install it with dpkg -i22:10
ali1234i'll probably need to install rootsh for that though22:10
ali1234i could make a .install22:10
Gadgetoid_mbpI'm sure you can install without root?22:10
Gadgetoid_mbpEither that, or I am stupid22:11
ali1234you can but you cant use dpkg22:11
Gadgetoid_mbpah yes, requires superuser22:11
Gadgetoid_mbpFail =/22:11
Milo-user to /etc/sudoers22:12
ali1234to be honest there is so much stuff that you have to do after reflashing it would probably be easier to respin the image22:12
tcarl|workI can't get my N900 to flash, to enable RD mode.22:12
tcarl|workI turn off the phone, start up the flasher, then plug it in.22:12
tcarl|workThe flasher never finds the N900.... any ideas?22:12
pupniki'm not sure anybody should enable rd mode22:13
tcarl|workit just goes into mass storage mode, and the flasher never finds.22:13
tcarl|workI want root, to install vnc, flac, etc.22:13
ali1234so you;re not turning it off, you're locking it22:13
DarwinSurvivordoes the n810 have any firewalls other than iptables?22:14
tcarl|workno, I'm turning it off.22:14
ali1234and you don't need rd mode to do any of those things22:14
tcarl|workI want RD mode for ssh root access also.22:14
Milo-rd-mode ?22:14
tcarl|workR&D mode.22:14
ali1234you don't need rd mode for that either22:14
Milo-research and development?22:14
Gadgetoid_mbpEr.... just install the root package22:14
tcarl|workI may not need any of those things, but I'd like to enable it anyway.22:14
tcarl|workhow do I install that, without root?22:14
Gadgetoid_mbpUsing the app manager...22:15
ali1234tcarl|work: install it from app manager22:15
Milo-tcarl|work rootsh -package22:15
Gadgetoid_mbpYou never owned an n8x0 I guess?22:15
Gadgetoid_mbpAh, then you're in for a surprise22:15
tcarl|workI'd also like to do some kernel recompilation, possibly.22:15
Gadgetoid_mbpUnlike a shitty OS made by google which I shall not name, the N900 doesn't need to be rooted22:15
ali1234"some" kernel recompilation?22:16
Gadgetoid_mbpYeah just recompile half of it...22:16
ali1234anyway, you don't even need rd mode for THAT22:16
Gadgetoid_mbptcarl|work: welcome to maemo, where root is just a package away22:16
tcarl|workthe app manager doesn't have the root install.22:16
Gadgetoid_mbpEnable the extras repo22:17
Gadgetoid_mbpOr is it in devel?22:17
DarwinSurvivori can't connect to port 2947 remotely unless i use an ssh port forward, but iptables -L shows nothing being blocked. ideas?22:17
tcarl|workumm. I think you need root access to change sources.lst though.22:17
Gadgetoid_mbptcarl|work: hit the title in app manager, and hit `"application catalogues"22:17
tcarl|workso, what the hell?22:17
tcarl|workoh, Application manager is just a front end for apt.22:18
Gadgetoid_mbpYou've been using Android too much?22:18
StskeepsDarwinSurvivor: its called a ip-specific bind22:18
infobotroot is, like, not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account.22:18
Stskeepsfor localhost22:18
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DarwinSurvivorStskeeps: any way to get around it, other than using ssh -L ?22:18
Stskeepsedit gpsd conf?22:18
Gadgetoid_mbpYou can add all the most horribly destructive of device crippling repos via Application Manager, it's wonderful!22:18
ali1234infobot: root is
* infobot uses a keylogger to pwnz all is 's boxen.22:19
ali1234NOT helpful22:19
wazd witter redesigned :)22:20
Milo-just install rootsh package22:21
Milo-open terminal and write 'root'22:21
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Gadgetoid_mbpsudo gainroot ?22:22
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Milo-with rootsh package it's just 'root'22:22
Milo-command's name is 'root'22:22
Gadgetoid_mbpSay's sudo gainroot here, has it been updated?22:23
Milo-no idea, but that's what works.22:23
Gadgetoid_mbpWeird, outdated description perhaps22:23
DocScrutinizer51yeah but sudo gainroot *without* rootsh also is helpful ;-P22:23
Milo-by default I wasn't in /etc/sudoers22:23
DarwinSurvivorStskeeps: gpsd.conf doesn't seem to exist...22:23
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Milo--sh: gainroot: not found22:24
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Gadgetoid_mbpeven the updated rootsh package says "enable root acess with sudo gainroot"22:24
Milo-'root' is still faster to write22:25
Gadgetoid_mbptoo right Milo-22:25
Gadgetoid_mbpAll those wasted keypresses... *sigh*22:25
Gadgetoid_mbpyup, works for me in addition to sudo gainroot... who do I sue for the wasted time?22:26
Gadgetoid_mbprooted your shiznit yet tcarl|work?22:27
DocScrutinizer51yourself? nobody forced you to do it22:27
Milo-ran: 'apt-get install wget'22:27
tcarl|workwowo. I sooo love my N900.22:27
Milo-and it won't do a thing22:27
Gadgetoid_mbpLike I said, in far too many words, the Motorola Droid sucks balls compared to the N90022:27
tcarl|workGadgetoid_mbp: Got rootsh installed, but I'd rather have enable rd-mode :(22:27
Milo-appareently /usr/libexec/apt-worker decided that it is a good day to update apt22:27
Gadgetoid_mbptcarl|work: why bother..?22:28
tcarl|workno point now, really, after rootsh22:28
Milo-Note: As R&D mode has other side effects beyond simply enabling root access (including several that may negatively impact battery life), it is not the recommended method for gaining root access. Use rootsh instead.22:28
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Gadgetoid_mbpDocScrutinizer51: nobody forced that crazy woman to spill hot coffee on her lap, but she got a payoff! I want my share!22:29
Gadgetoid_mbpSo, tcarl|work, did you come from Android?22:29
Milo-or iPhone?22:29
Gadgetoid_mbpiPhone isn't THAT hard to root! but you have a point there22:29
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* DocScrutinizer51 spills some hot coffe on Gadgetoid_mbp's lap. now that's your share22:30
Gadgetoid_mbpCan't wait to get my iPhone back, every time an iPhone user asks me why I have an N900 I can just say "oh I've got an iPhone too"22:30
Gadgetoid_mbpDocScrutinizer51: sounds dirty!22:30
DocScrutinizer51you asked for it :-P22:31
tcarl|workI'll keep my iphone, just get a sim for internet only.22:31
tcarl|workhrmm. What repository has x11vnc? (vnc server)22:32
Gadgetoid_mbpProbably extras-devel, if I'm pulling a repo name out of my behind22:32
Gadgetoid_mbpAs it's still a little flaky22:32
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tcarl|workCan you easily turn on a numerical battery %?22:33
Gadgetoid_mbptcarl|work: ##n90022:34
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DocScrutinizer51x11vnc 0.9.3-maemo7 extras-devel22:36
Milo-gpe-sudoku isn't optified22:38
Milo-isn't that considered a bug?22:39
Milo-though, it's from -devel22:39
hardakerit still should be22:39
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Gadgetoid_mbptimeless: Ctrl+Enter!!!22:41
Gadgetoid_mbpSwitches to full screen and back in XChat (and possibly other quick 'n' dirty ports), but doesn't do shiznit in any standard Maemo 5 apps22:41
Gadgetoid_mbpIt's like the N900 fullscreen button we never had, and seems threatened with extinction22:42
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Gadgetoid_mbpI'm guessing there's a reason it's not used in MicroB22:43
SpeedEvilctrl-enter does nothing on fbreader, the completely undocumented - ctrl-bs does22:43
timeless_mbpctrl-enter is useful in sms and friends22:43
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Gadgetoid_mbpSpeedEvil: ctrl-bs? isn't that documented as returning to the app switcher22:44
RST38hSpeed: Ctrl-Enter switches full screen in FBReader22:44
timeless_mbphaving a keystroke for full screen is mostly a waste of a keybinding22:44
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RST38hSpeed: I know because I have bound it22:44
Gadgetoid_mbpGive me the option to bind it in the browser and I would.. that little fullscreen overlay annoys me22:44
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timeless_mbpforget it.22:45
Gadgetoid_mbpFBReader has been updated with a fullscreen button, too, but still responds to Ctrl+Enter... *wubb*22:45
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Gadgetoid_mbpAnd the volume rocker finally works for pagination... I feel sorry for the N90022:46
Gadgetoid_mbpErr.. N810 :D22:46
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SpeedEvilRST38h: Oh no it doesn't. At least not for the initial help screen22:47
* RST38h feels sorry for them all22:47
RST38hAh the horror, the suffering22:47
SpeedEvilRST38h: maybe I have an old version22:47
* RST38h starts weeping22:47
RST38hSpeed: UPDATE.22:47
KhertanHelp : : Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/privilege.php  on line 45722:47
ali1234Khertan: it just means the servers are overloaded like always22:48
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Khertanali1234 : but it s also means that i ll be not be able to access to it until i upload a new package version as now the error is cached22:54
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ali1234so complain to whoever is running your http proxy...22:55
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Khertani didn t use any proxy22:57
ali1234er... clear your browser cache then?22:57
Khertanali1234 it s not my cache but the one use on
ali1234 <- this one, which works fine?22:59
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SpeedEvilRST38h: Argh - my python is broken again. Meh.23:02
Khertanali1234: yep works fine now ... i m trying to access it since 30min23:02
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SpeedEvilIs there a way to uninstall _everything_ depending on or mentioning python in one fell swoop?23:05
Shadikkaapt-get remove python if it's a package?23:06
timeless_mbpif you try to remove python23:06
timeless_mbpall dependencies should be removed23:06
timeless_mbpthey aren't allowed to stick around23:06
ShadikkaUnless you really really want to.23:06
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SpeedEvilodd. apt-get remover gpodder - and it downloads python-gth23:09
SpeedEviland now apt-get remove python seems to do something23:10
mfinkleanyone know how to get the "friendly" name of an application using its X-Osso_Service name?23:11
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mfinkleis there a dbus way to do it23:11
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SpeedEvilOk - this seems majorly screwed up - essentially any apt-get * command spews tons of errors.23:15
SpeedEviland refuses to do what I ask.23:15
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SpeedEvilWhat keyword should I be searching for to find a flashing tool?23:29
microlithfor the N900?23:30
cehtehflasher :P23:30
SpeedEvilI don't understand any of the apt-* errors23:31
SpeedEviland trying to remove stuff isn't working23:31
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infobotit has been said that flasher is
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SpeedEvilThanks - my internet is a bit broken ATM23:36
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cehtehanyone ever tried to rip out the battery while the charger is plugged? .. will it continue on charger power?23:38
Slasherihas anyone tried to convert the MyDocs from fat to ext3?23:38
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cehtehnot yet23:38
cehtehwill try new kernel ext4 and dmcrypt someday23:38
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fluxhmph, emacs is almost great, but without escape (and the remapping suggested by the guy is used already) it is a pain23:45
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Milhousehmmm... so testing_l or testing_c?23:46
MilhouseHi GAN - testing_l or testing_c? what's this "legacy device" business, any idea?23:47
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xevioxI've installed the Qt4 technical preview 2 in scratchbox23:51
MaceG1How do you make aliases with nickserv?23:51
xevioxMaceG1: change your nick with /nick NewNick, then add it to your registered with /nickserv group23:51
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MaceG1Well. I want to use this one23:52
xevioxnow I want to install Qt Creator, do I have to install it in scratchbox or in my ubuntu??23:52
xevioxMaceG1: after adding the alias you can switch back with /nick MaceG123:53
Milo-grr, stupid
Milo-I need to report flipclock's bad behaviour23:53
Milo-but it won't load23:53
MaceG1 /nickserv group ?23:53
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xevioxwhere do I have to install Qt Creator to use it for maemo development?23:54
xevioxscratchbox or host?23:54
xevioxk thanks23:55
xevioxshould I use the download from or use the apt manager?23:55
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Jaffaxeviox: Qt Creator woould typically be in host; however I'm not aware of the Maemo support being fully rolled out and available.23:55
AakashPatelDoes SSL work on Qt in the N900?23:55
xevioxJaffa: there is a technical preview, I will use that one :D23:56
melmothi never used it, but is qt creator not suppose to generate c++ code, so you theooretically do not care if it s instaled or not where you compile the application ?23:56
Jaffaxeviox: Does it mention Maemo profiles? The Qt Creator preview I installed didn't have muchin the way of docs23:56
melmothor may be am i mixing qt designer with qt creator ?23:57
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xevioxJaffa: good question, I just downloaded it few seconds ago, but look here:
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xevioxmelmoth: Designer is just a visible Designer for UIs, Creator is the IDE from "qt"23:58
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melmothok, i was mixing the two then :)23:58
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Milo-how should I go around contacting the devel of certain package, if the fails to load that page?23:59

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