| Gadgetoid_n900 | you're delusional | 00:00 |
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| gadgetoid_n810 | balls am i | 00:00 |
| lcuk | "computer, id like a piece of software which....." | 00:00 |
| gadgetoid_n810 | stick your tiny stand up a monkeys bum! | 00:01 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | go get a coprocessor... slowie slow slow! | 00:01 |
| gadgetoid_n810 | pffff... learn how to page in fbreader noob | 00:01 |
| woglinde | hihihi nice package name | 00:02 |
| woglinde | 0.2.0~svn2865+dfsg.1-1maemo1 | 00:02 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | sheesh | 00:02 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | the n900 is too small | 00:03 |
| gadgetoid_n810 | but it has a much softer keyboard that ends up being easier to type on | 00:03 |
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| gtessier00 | How many people here had a bogus N900 at least once? (Mic not functionning, random reboots all time, etc...) | 00:04 |
| lcuk | ive never seen a bogus n900 | 00:04 |
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| Gadgetoid_n900 | mine's perfect | 00:04 |
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| thresh | mine is ok | 00:04 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | its got the crappy kickstand bug though | 00:04 |
| * mikhas raises hand | 00:04 | |
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| gtessier00 | crappy kickstand bug ? :P | 00:05 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | gah i hate how the ui in xhat wastes so much space... its better on the n810 by miles | 00:05 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | yeah the stand on the n900 is a horrible pointless piece of crapola | 00:05 |
| johnq_ | I'm trying to upload my first package to extras-devel. The problem is: It is a python program together with a kernel module. What is the "source package"? Should I rather upload the kernel module separately? | 00:05 |
| lcuk | until you get on a train or plane and want to watch a movie | 00:06 |
| gtessier00 | well the only time ill use it is in the plane once per year | 00:06 |
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| * lcuk watches often | 00:06 | |
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| gtessier00 | :D | 00:06 |
| lbt | hey lcuk | 00:07 |
| lcuk | hey lbt | 00:07 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | lcuk, I'd hold it | 00:07 |
| * lbt abandonded his car and walked 3 miles home in the snow earlier... | 00:07 | |
| lcuk | cripes lbt! | 00:07 |
| timeless | johnq: the kernel module should be its own package | 00:07 |
| lbt | with mrs lbt | 00:07 |
| gtessier00 | eww that sucks | 00:07 |
| gtessier00 | at least you didnt abandon your n900 | 00:07 |
| gtessier00 | poor n900 | 00:07 |
| thresh | three miles?! that's like ten minutes of walking, sheesh. how did you do that? | 00:08 |
| gtessier00 | LOL | 00:08 |
| thresh | sorry, it's just too funny to mock people who rarely see snow :) | 00:08 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | how the hell did trains break down in a fucking tunnel due to snow.... | 00:08 |
| lbt | n900 was cold though | 00:08 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | its a fucking tunnel! | 00:08 |
| lbt | heh 19" summer tyres and snow | 00:08 |
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| dimir | Hi guys. | 00:09 |
| gtessier00 | 19'' | 00:09 |
| lbt | 285/45 iirc | 00:09 |
| johnq_ | timeless: ok, so any idea where to start? ;-) | 00:09 |
| lcuk | lbt joggler, os by default? | 00:09 |
| gtessier00 | hallo dimir | 00:09 |
| lbt | kinda low grip | 00:09 |
| timeless_mbp | johnq_: so, do you understand what a source package should do? | 00:09 |
| dimir | I get dpkg build error: | 00:09 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly, a source package should have the sources and a debian/rules file | 00:09 |
| dimir | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends} | 00:09 |
| dimir | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends} | 00:09 |
| dimir | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${binary:Version} | 00:09 |
| dimir | What could be the problem? | 00:09 |
| johnq_ | timeless: not really but I assume that dpkg_buildpackage is supposed to build a binary package from it... | 00:09 |
| timeless_mbp | the debian/rules file should build the kernel module | 00:09 |
| johnq_ | ok | 00:09 |
| lbt | lcuk: not looked yet.... but the standard joggler frontend runs in Mer | 00:10 |
| timeless_mbp | johnq_: dpkg-buildpackage calls debian/rules | 00:10 |
| dimir | dpkg-buildpackage last messages: http://pastebin.org/67526 | 00:10 |
| johnq_ | yeah | 00:10 |
| lcuk | lbt so its a linux? | 00:10 |
| lbt | oh yes | 00:10 |
| * lcuk smiles | 00:10 | |
| dimir | The variables in control stopped evaluating all of a sudden. | 00:10 |
| dimir | It has been working for months. | 00:10 |
| lbt | I'd get one - at £99 they're a steal | 00:10 |
| lcuk | whats the sdk for it? | 00:10 |
| lbt | Mer | 00:10 |
| dimir | I'm using sbox. | 00:10 |
| lbt | <grin> | 00:10 |
| johnq_ | timeless_mbp: and the data part of the package then contains only one file, namely the module, right? | 00:11 |
| lcuk | i mean by default if people wanted one with default os | 00:11 |
| lbt | they are about to release one I think | 00:11 |
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| lbt | nothing yet | 00:11 |
| timeless_mbp | johnq_: yep | 00:11 |
| lcuk | ill have to see whats what when it arrives | 00:11 |
| dimir | I have even reinstalled a target in sbox and checked out the sources of the package to a separate dir. | 00:11 |
| lbt | it's O2 - it'll suck and you'll have to pay and .... and.... | 00:11 |
| dimir | Still the same problem. | 00:11 |
| timeless_mbp | assuming that's all it takes for the kernel to be magically usable | 00:11 |
| Corsac | mhmh, maemo mapper from extra-devel seems not to displqy anything is the gps info tab while it seems I have a fix | 00:11 |
| lcuk | lbt well if the front end runs | 00:11 |
| dimir | And it works like a charm at other users using same target, same sources. | 00:11 |
| lcuk | it means allis not lost | 00:11 |
| lbt | not at all - they work well together | 00:11 |
| lcuk | do i write in purple? | 00:11 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: swath/swathe ? | 00:12 |
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| lbt | the problem is that O2 will want to wall the garden | 00:12 |
| lbt | a swath, cut a swathe I think | 00:12 |
| johnq_ | timeless_mbp: so the idea is to download the official kernel source package, patch some source files, patch the build process and that should be it, right? | 00:12 |
| orbarron | any tried running pulseaudio from x-terminal? | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=228125 sounds like half an answer for shlibs: | 00:13 |
| timeless_mbp | johnq_: eww, you're patching the kernel sources? | 00:13 |
| johnq_ | timeless_mbp: yes | 00:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | typically you'd depend on a package that provides the kernel sources | 00:13 |
| johnq_ | timeless_mbp: i'm adding a backport of squashfs 4.0 | 00:13 |
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| dimir | So, if someone could help, here is the description of a problem: http://pastebin.org/67528 | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | johnq_: do you need the sources or just the kernel headers? | 00:15 |
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| lbt | dimir: any chance you're using windows? | 00:16 |
| johnq_ | timeless_mbp: Perhaps the kernel headers would do, I should try that. I actually just applied some patch that is supposed to work on the full sources, modfied .config, built modules and grabbed this single modules from the compilation result. | 00:16 |
| lbt | cr/lf issue? | 00:16 |
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| lardman | hope I didn't miss anything, was watching Solaris | 00:17 |
| lardman | night all | 00:17 |
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| pupnik | dimir: find what you upgraded perhaps | 00:21 |
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| dimir | lbt: no, scratchbox, maemo. | 00:23 |
| dimir | pupnik: I tried, but could not get anything. | 00:23 |
| gtessier00 | zouizoui | 00:23 |
| dimir | pupnik: the strange thing is, we are working in a team and everyone uses the same env/same source package. | 00:23 |
| dimir | pupnik: I have created a new target in scratchbox, got the sources from repo and it still doesn't work. :-D | 00:24 |
| dimir | This is getting funny. | 00:24 |
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| lcuk | dimir, full console log including the initial dpkg line and everything | 00:25 |
| dimir | So I guess I need a good Debian packager help. | 00:25 |
| lcuk | into pastebin.ca | 00:25 |
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| * lcuk missed you already did! | 00:25 | |
| lcuk | well, some | 00:25 |
| dimir | Well, if that helps. :-) | 00:25 |
| dimir | Some ye. | 00:25 |
| dimir | Not enough? | 00:26 |
| dimir | I ran: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage. | 00:26 |
| zs | hi, somehow I have only 5.8M free space on device (n900), rootfs 227.5M 217.5M 5.8M 97% / , can anyone check for me his own disk usage? | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | zs: reboot | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | zs: something is often wacky, and a reboot often clears up several tens of meg - if you've been installing stuff. no, I've no idea why, and it shouldn't do this | 00:26 |
| Shadikka | lemme see | 00:27 |
| zs | ok I will try | 00:27 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | paganism on the increase.... *choke* | 00:27 |
| Shadikka | rootfs 227.8M 191.2M 32.4M 86% / | 00:28 |
| * SpeedEvil spins widdershins. | 00:28 | |
| * SpeedEvil is not skyclad - it being 4.5C in here. | 00:28 | |
| * gtessier00 now knows how to write in purple. yay. seriously. | 00:29 | |
| zs | ok now I have rootfs 227.5M 180.1M 43.3M 81% / | 00:29 |
| zs | thanks | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | zs: were you installing from extras-devel? | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | or what have you tried installing? | 00:30 |
| zs | yes | 00:30 |
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| johnq_ | timeless_mbp: are the packages kernel-headers and linux-kernel-headers two different things? | 00:30 |
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| * lcuk unlocks achievements | 00:31 | |
| timeless_mbp | dunno offhand | 00:31 |
| timeless_mbp | did you check mxr.maemo.org? | 00:31 |
| * SpeedEvil unlocks the farted 14 days in a row achievement. | 00:31 | |
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| zs | SpeedEvil, I have tested some apps from extras-devel, now I am learning how to write software | 00:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | zs: Great! | 00:31 |
| johnq_ | timeless_mbp: i'm following the Maemo Kernel and Debugging Guide on the wiki, and there it is assumed that there is something in /usr/src/kernel-headers, but /usr/src is empty in my scratchbox. | 00:31 |
| dimir | lcuk: added list of some packages installed: http://pastebin.org/67530 | 00:31 |
| timeless_mbp | johnq_: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/debian/control | 00:32 |
| lcuk | dimir, why dont you clearly just post the console log from you starting the command to the end | 00:32 |
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| dimir | lcuk: OK, just a sec... | 00:32 |
| timeless_mbp | according to that, they're built by the same source package | 00:32 |
| lcuk | in the order its in, because then someone reading it doesnt have to think, they are used to seeing errors displayed in that way | 00:32 |
| zs | btw Is there any way to get rid of this annoying message that nokia has not created this software and auto tick "I understand and agree." ? | 00:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | zs: you can replace it | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | do you use American English or British English? | 00:34 |
| zs | British English | 00:34 |
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| johnq_ | timeless_mbp: so do these packages exist in some repository? | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | johnq_: given that mxr.maemo.org has them, yes | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | because mxr.maemo.org is generated by apt-get source :) | 00:35 |
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| johnq_ | ok :-) | 00:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | odd | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't find the sources.list file | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | it's typically in the root directory of my repos | 00:37 |
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| woglinde | hm intressting I should add XSBC-Original-Maintainer, but the field isnt used | 00:40 |
| dimir | lcuk: http://pastebin.org/67534 | 00:40 |
| Corsac | woot, scapy seems to run fine | 00:41 |
| Corsac | now I just need to build an ipv6 kernel | 00:41 |
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| lcuk | dimir, your error looks to be lines 535, rather than the warnings further up | 00:44 |
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| johnq_ | timeless_mbp: thanks. it's almost done :-) | 00:47 |
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| dmj7261 | is camera-ui open source? | 00:50 |
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| woglinde | Corsac injection ipv6 packets? | 00:55 |
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| rashed2020 | What does alias supposed to have in bugzilla? | 00:59 |
| rashed2020 | is* | 01:00 |
| Corsac | woglinde: for example | 01:00 |
| woglinde | hm I need to compile for i386 to let it run in hildonize gui? | 01:00 |
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| dimir | lcuk: this file gets generated. I have proper entry in control file. The error is the result of the warnings. | 01:18 |
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| dimir | > grep binary:Version debian/control | 01:19 |
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| dimir | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, mypackage (= ${binary:Version}) | 01:19 |
| dimir | > sed -n '6p' debian/groovemail-dbg/DEBIAN/control | 01:19 |
| dimir | Depends: groovemail (= ) | 01:19 |
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| lcuk | # | 01:20 |
| lcuk | dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/mypackage-dbg/DEBIAN/control' near line 6 package `mypackage-dbg': | 01:20 |
| lcuk | # | 01:20 |
| lcuk | `Depends' field, reference to `mypackage': error in version: version string is empty | 01:20 |
| lcuk | # | 01:20 |
| lcuk | dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512 | 01:20 |
| lcuk | note, it says version string is empty | 01:20 |
| lcuk | which is where the warning came from | 01:21 |
| * lcuk sees the first 2 errors every time | 01:21 | |
| lcuk | without consequence | 01:22 |
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| lcuk | # | 01:25 |
| lcuk | dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/mypackage-dbg/DEBIAN/control' near line 6 package `mypackage-dbg': | 01:25 |
| lcuk | # | 01:25 |
| lcuk | `Depends' field, reference to `mypackage': error in version: version string is empty | 01:25 |
| lcuk | # | 01:25 |
| lcuk | dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512 | 01:25 |
| lcuk | Several packages fail saying "dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${binary:Version}". This is because maemo's dpkg is 1.13.13, and ${binary:Version} was introduced in dpkg 1.13.19. Etch's is currently at 1.13.22. | 01:25 |
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| lcuk | even grrrrr @ paste fail | 01:25 |
| woglinde | hm | 01:26 |
| woglinde | hihi | 01:26 |
| woglinde | good you dont fill the autobuilder | 01:27 |
| lcuk | lol hi woglinde | 01:27 |
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| * lcuk is way past bedtime anyway, gnite \o | 01:29 | |
| woglinde | hrms | 01:29 |
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| woglinde | anyone knows how to mount sshfs with mapping uid? | 01:30 |
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| dimir | Well, this is why I have listed the packages installed: | 01:30 |
| dimir | ii dpkg 1.15.4.1+maemo4+0m6 | 01:30 |
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| dimir | I know about change Source:Version -> binary:Version | 01:30 |
| woglinde | ah found it | 01:31 |
| dimir | And this has worked for months, before something, and I can't realize what, came in. | 01:31 |
| woglinde | debhelper 7 is cool | 01:31 |
| pupnik | "Both parties tried very hard to be as slow as possible and finally Nokia lost temper in this snail race" - Fanoush haaahahaha :-) | 01:32 |
| woglinde | so uploading imlib now | 01:33 |
| woglinde | args | 01:33 |
| woglinde | section i need to adjust | 01:33 |
| woglinde | lol | 01:34 |
| woglinde | user/navigation (Location &) Navigation maemo-mapper, Navit | 01:35 |
| woglinde | mapper has seciton user/other | 01:35 |
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| pupnik | tss. | 01:38 |
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| pupnik | hell. i lost nogravity source/data. | 01:41 |
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| * Arkenoi wonders if this thing is real: http://cgi.ebay.ca/High-Capacity-1700mAh-BL-5J-Battery-Nokia-5800-5800XM_W0QQitemZ390068277375QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item5ad1e1907f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_4951wt_1028 | 01:51 | |
| SpeedEvil | It is almost certainly a battery shaped object | 01:51 |
| pupnik | Arkenoi: theres a thread on t.m.o about them | 01:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | buy one, try it. | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Worst case is it catches light, and burns off your genitals. | 01:53 |
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| Arkenoi | i purchased chinese "1200" mA*H BLB-2 batteries (original one is 700). Looks like it really lasts 1.5 times longer, maybe not expected 1200 but more than 1000 certainly | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | We don't however need pics. | 01:54 |
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| thresh | Arkenoi: where did you get those? | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | It'll depend on what drain somewhat | 01:54 |
| Arkenoi | so i will try | 01:54 |
| Arkenoi | thresh: from ebay | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | though even cheap li-ion have gotten lots cheaper | 01:54 |
| Arkenoi | and i had some bad experience as well - a eee pc battery with almost half of the cells being defective | 01:56 |
| crashanddie_mbp | I love it when Windows users start giving long-term advice about a device they've had for a month | 01:57 |
| crashanddie_mbp | "I'm aiming at reflashing every 6 months or so" | 01:57 |
| pupnik | nokia bp5l is available for reasonable cost | 01:57 |
| Arkenoi | so far i purchased several cheap batteries on the ebay and one on the local market | 01:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | err | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | though even cheap li-ion have gotten lots better | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | There are also things you can do in some cases. | 01:58 |
| johnq_ | argh | 01:58 |
| pupnik | Like putting bathroom deodorant in a mercedes. | 01:58 |
| Arkenoi | 4 from ebay were OK, one was not as good as expected but still cheaper than original one and still having more capacity and one from the local market was pure piece of shit (no surprise if you know russian sellers habits) | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | If you charge the battery to 90% only - it lasts _significantly_ longer | 01:59 |
| johnq_ | somehow my debian/rules does not generate a debian/files file | 01:59 |
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| Arkenoi | and one from ebay was defective, not intentionally phony like the later one, just broken | 01:59 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | last one | 02:00 |
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| Arkenoi | last one | 02:01 |
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| pupnik | gpodder developer deserves lots of credit for responsiveness and updates | 02:04 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | pupnik: http://eatliver.com/img/2009/5162.jpg | 02:04 |
| crashanddie_mbp | GAN900: ^ | 02:04 |
| pupnik | heh | 02:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stupid graphics when a table would work better-- | 02:05 |
| crashanddie_mbp | SpeedEvil: read until the end | 02:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | \i killed it as it was taking ages to load | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | my | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | DSL is being arsey again | 02:06 |
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| GAN900 | Har har har | 02:09 |
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| jadams | has anyone installed asterisk on their n900? | 02:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | GAN900: have you grabbed my splash package? | 02:18 |
| * timeless_mbp thinks it's ready to push to extras | 02:18 | |
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| woglinde | jadams jebba has | 02:20 |
| woglinde | because he uploaded it | 02:20 |
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| jadams | woglinde, fair :) I just installed it. I have no idea what I will do with it. I was going to ask for suggestions from my friend that runs a VOIP consulting company, but he's headed to canada right now so I'm all eager for ideas and completely blank, myself | 02:26 |
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| woglinde | jadams than read the tutorials | 02:27 |
| woglinde | for asterisk | 02:27 |
| jadams | woglinde, oh I'm familiar with asterisk in general...I just have no decent ideas for the phone w/r/t asterisk, which feels silly | 02:28 |
| woglinde | lol | 02:28 |
| woglinde | build an automatic answerer | 02:28 |
| woglinde | that was one szenario | 02:29 |
| jadams | that's a good idea. I have a crazy ex girlfriend and I miss the android 'send this caller directly to voicemail' feature | 02:30 |
| woglinde | hehe | 02:30 |
| woglinde | good I have crazy ex girlfriend | 02:30 |
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| gtessier00 | yayyyyyyyyy confirmation from fedex | 02:34 |
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| gtessier00 | N900 coming tomorrow before 17h00 :D | 02:34 |
| indyh | njsf is away: I'm not here right now | 02:35 |
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| Undrwater | congrats...nervous? | 02:45 |
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| Venomrush | hi | 03:09 |
| Venomrush | got some problems with the application manager on N900 | 03:09 |
| Venomrush | it's not showing up any packages at all | 03:09 |
| Venomrush | Getting an Operation failed error | 03:10 |
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| pwnguin | Venomrush: perhaps / filled up? | 03:13 |
| timeless_mbp | Venomrush: tap the title area | 03:13 |
| timeless_mbp | tap log | 03:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i think you'll find that the repository is hosed | 03:14 |
| woglinde | hm time on autobuilder is wrong | 03:15 |
| woglinde | 5 minutes in the future | 03:15 |
| nomis | bah, why doesn't the tablet wake up when I pull out the pen? | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | nomis: that would be nice. | 03:16 |
| nomis | it feels so obvious. | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | nomis: I'd also - if we're doing that - like it if you pulled out the stylus, and put it in backwards, it'd act like a mouse | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | nomis: Basically - as with everything - it's cost. | 03:17 |
| timeless_mbp | nomis: you want another messy magnet? | 03:17 |
| woglinde | okay time to sleep | 03:17 |
| woglinde | more uploads tomorrow | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | nomis: The stylus sensor will need perhaps 4mm^3 of space, and perhaps $.15 cost. | 03:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | nomis: $.30 on the price | 03:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are about 8-10 things I can think of that would be 'just a little more' | 03:18 |
| nomis | yeah, thats always the problem. | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - compass - that's perhaps $5 in volume, gyroscope - $8, stylus sensor, better kickstand, better front camera. | 03:19 |
| nomis | drop the bad front facing camera :) | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | USB host | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | more area on the front face sensitive | 03:19 |
| fiferboy | AndrewBlack: the calendar widget show white text on white | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | That's not even getting into a replacement back with a better camera :) | 03:20 |
| ManuelSE | how remove ctrl-i binding from xchat? | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | The camera is in principle replacable and upgradable - it's socketd | 03:21 |
| nomis | SpeedEvil: the big camera in the back? | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | in principle however - doesn't mean that it's ever going to be practical to do so | 03:22 |
| nomis | yeah. | 03:22 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 03:22 | |
| SpeedEvil | The camera could have done with some more design. | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Tweak the chrome around the edge of the bezel, so it doesn't reflect flash into the camera | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4194615579/ | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | or the LED radiation patterns | 03:24 |
| pwnguin | i havent had that problem | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe it's only on some units | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | it's going to be very sensitive to the exact height of the camera | 03:25 |
| pwnguin | Venomrush: i have the same problem actually. guess extras-testing died | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe it was a finger | 03:26 |
| pwnguin | hmm. i need a breadboard with a better power supply | 03:27 |
| pwnguin | this 9v battery wire keeps coming loose | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | put out a really big stocking? | 03:28 |
| pwnguin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jldugger/4204342819/sizes/l/ | 03:30 |
| Venomrush | pwnguin, can't even view applications I installed on the phone though | 03:30 |
| pwnguin | no blue glare | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: ah | 03:31 |
| pwnguin | Venomrush: nobody said it was a GOOD interface to apt | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: thinking about it - it's reflecting the light from above into the camera, not the LED | 03:31 |
| pwnguin | heh | 03:31 |
| pwnguin | solution: stop using blue plastic? | 03:31 |
| Venomrush | Error occurred while processing freeciv-data | 03:31 |
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| Venomrush | The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. | 03:32 |
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| Venomrush | Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-testing_dists_fremantle_non-free_binary-armel_Packages | 03:32 |
| pwnguin | Venomrush: you familiar with the terminal and apt? | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: blue plastic? | 03:33 |
| pwnguin | SpeedEvil: the lens cover | 03:33 |
| pwnguin | its black on top, and blue around the edge | 03:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: it's not the lens cover | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: it's the light reflecting off the chrome | 03:35 |
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| pwnguin | SpeedEvil: i guess i dont understand how the physics you're implying could work | 03:41 |
| pwnguin | light from the above the camera reflects off the bezel? | 03:42 |
| pwnguin | chrome bezel | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | actually, I should test that. | 03:42 |
| pwnguin | in that picture, the camera is facing down | 03:43 |
| pwnguin | the bezel is already 45 degree sloping | 03:43 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | people who use a flash on a phone shouldn't be allowed to take pictures in the first place | 03:43 |
| pwnguin | its good for redeye | 03:44 |
| crashanddie_mbp | flash causes redeye, lol | 03:44 |
| pwnguin | true i guess | 03:44 |
| crashanddie_mbp | flash on 90% of P&S sucks, 50% of DSLR have a sucky flash anyway | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: I'm unsure now - it may be a finger - I need to recreate the original photo | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Fun hack. | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can blur your view of the camera when looking at it - so that the lens and the flash blur into one. | 03:45 |
| pwnguin | http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/n900/ | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Then the redeye goes up by a factor of several hundred | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | (when being photographed) | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - neat - I requested it be added a couple of weeks back | 03:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | 9th of all nokia hmm | 03:46 |
| pwnguin | you could identify redeye using a diff of flash and non flash | 03:46 |
| archebyte | anybody with extras-testing enabled having an update problem? | 03:46 |
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| pwnguin | archebyte: seems like topicbait | 03:47 |
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| archebyte | yea.. sorry.. not sure what is going on. App Manager doesn't want to co-operate anymore.. | 03:48 |
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| fureddo | I received a bug report mentioning that my application is not properly optified. Anyone would have some time to test it on N900? | 03:49 |
| fureddo | More information here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/tomotko/0.11.2-9/ | 03:49 |
| archebyte | fureddo: sure. which app? | 03:49 |
| * SpeedEvil finds http://www.flickr.com/photos/quimgil/3995942376/ | 03:49 | |
| SpeedEvil | (the account) | 03:49 |
| pwnguin | SpeedEvil: do you know how to enable the "taken with camera n900"? | 03:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: / | 03:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 03:51 |
| pwnguin | exif data | 03:51 |
| archebyte | fureddo: the app looks optified | 03:51 |
| SpeedEvil | just don't strip off exif | 03:51 |
| SpeedEvil | the 'upload to flickr' just works for me | 03:51 |
| crashanddie_mbp | pwnguin: it's on by default | 03:51 |
| pwnguin | im not sure where i turned that on at =/ | 03:51 |
| pwnguin | crashanddie_mbp: i think i remember seeing a strip exif stuff, but cant find it to check now =/ | 03:52 |
| pwnguin | maybe its a flickr thing | 03:53 |
| crashanddie_mbp | "Don't mess with options unless you know what they do" comes to mind | 03:53 |
| pwnguin | i know what it does | 03:53 |
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| pwnguin | it just seemed like a good idea at the time | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: get exiftool from repo | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: check that you have exif data | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it's in tools | 03:54 |
| crashanddie_mbp | pwnguin: I thought exactly the same thing when my first kid was born | 03:54 |
| fureddo | archebyte, Thanks. I thought so. Maybe the person who reported this bug was using a different version then. | 03:54 |
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| fureddo | archebyte, I will investigate further. | 03:54 |
| archebyte | fureddo: yea.. almost all the non-share/doc files are in opt.. | 03:55 |
| pwnguin | ok, its a flickr setting, not a phone setting | 03:55 |
| fureddo | archebyte, Here is the bug report: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2918606&group_id=181531&atid=897575 | 03:55 |
| archebyte | right now, there is a bigger problem in extras-testing.. | 03:55 |
| pwnguin | i must have been recalling the geotagging option | 03:56 |
| fureddo | archebyte, How much space does the toMOTko application take in the root partition? | 03:57 |
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| archebyte | fureddo: very little | 03:58 |
| fureddo | archebyte, Nothing close to 6 MB? | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | There is something screwy | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | many people report freed space after a reboot | 03:59 |
| archebyte | fureddo: right.. I would say < 20K | 03:59 |
| fureddo | archebyte, Ok. Must be a different version then. | 03:59 |
| archebyte | fureddo: PM | 04:00 |
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| ManuelSE | xchat channel list should be like kmplayer list | 04:08 |
| ManuelSE | also it should place channels with pms at top | 04:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | lol. | 04:10 |
| ManuelSE | it is probably impossible without all new gui? | 04:11 |
| ManuelSE | what is funny? | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | channels with PMS | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | fits so many channels. | 04:11 |
| ManuelSE | oh private messages to me | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | channels can't have PMs | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 04:12 |
| ManuelSE | i miss them in xchat because | 04:12 |
| ManuelSE | speedevil. hi | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean comments directed at you | 04:12 |
| ManuelSE | yes sorry | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | they go blue | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | the channel name | 04:12 |
| pwnguin | ManuelSE: im pretty sure xchat can do channel bar on the side | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | it can, I have it setup like that on my n900 | 04:12 |
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| ManuelSE | only room for 7 channels | 04:12 |
| ManuelSE | on side | 04:13 |
| pwnguin | ah, no scrolling | 04:13 |
| pwnguin | well, use irssi like a man :P | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ManuelSE: you know about the zoom buttons to scroll? | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | scroll window | 04:13 |
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| ManuelSE | my irssi machine is in maintenance because the crazy kids have been reworking udev | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean switch channels | 04:14 |
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| ManuelSE | ah | 04:14 |
| ManuelSE | this helps | 04:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I want to be able to do like I have python setup to do. | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | which is have the tabs with two-letter aliases for the channel names | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | pidgin | 04:15 |
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| ManuelSE | is xchat difficult to build? | 04:16 |
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| ManuelSE | maybe i can implement my channel sort on pm/nick | 04:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | maybe. | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno. | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Making scroll draggy would be nice too | 04:19 |
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| ManuelSE | can just that one element be xonverted to hildonscrollylist? | 04:24 |
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| djcaston | has anyone flashed their device using the 3.5 flasher? | 04:36 |
| djcaston | n900, that is | 04:36 |
| Macer | man i am sure glad i figured out my little vpn problem | 04:39 |
| Macer | this is great hehe | 04:39 |
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| GAN900 | djcaston, probably thousands of people. | 04:40 |
| djcaston | i was wondering if there were any differences between the global and the US firmware | 04:41 |
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| djcaston | noticeable differences that is | 04:41 |
| Macer | wow. uploading 7MB over a tethered phone via a vpn samba share | 04:42 |
| * Macer goes to eat a whole dinner and will be back later and come back and wait on it | 04:43 | |
| * gtessier00 is gonna receive his N900 tomorrow before 17h | 04:44 | |
| GAN900 | djcaston, where are you located? | 04:44 |
| djcaston | us | 04:54 |
| djcaston | why do you ask | 04:54 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | gtessier00: please don't repeat it until 1700 | 04:56 |
| crashanddie_mbp | gtessier00: announcing it once was enough, seriously | 04:56 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | gtessier00: also, announcing a local time in a multi-cultural and geographically diverse channel is pretty self-defeating | 04:56 |
| crashanddie_mbp | and I'm utterly amazed at the complexity of the previous sentence after drinking so heavily and it being 4AM | 04:57 |
| ManuelSE | the n900 feels like a desktop computr for me. i think nokia is amazing | 05:03 |
| ManuelSE | like a thinkpad, running lightweight distribution | 05:03 |
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| * pwnguin wishes the n900 supported USB keyboards and mice | 05:04 | |
| SpeedEvil | '' | 05:04 |
| pwnguin | and maybe USB audio out? | 05:04 |
| ManuelSE | i closed the xchat window scrolling | 05:04 |
| pwnguin | then I could easily build a carputer dock | 05:05 |
| ManuelSE | 770 plus usb dac might be a good hifi system | 05:05 |
| pwnguin | ive got the perfect spot to mount a NIT in my car | 05:06 |
| pwnguin | ive seen pics from a guy who build his own, with the CPU in the glovebox | 05:07 |
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| T7g | hmm, after the fsck the app manager is acting a bit flaky. | 05:21 |
| T7g | Says there are no applications installed. | 05:21 |
| cehteh | prolly they are now all in lost+found :P | 05:22 |
| T7g | I think it was the repos | 05:23 |
| T7g | Just having them listed caused it not to list apps | 05:23 |
| T7g | If anyone's curious I can give the exact error message but if your device says no apps installed in uninstall or won't let you install new ones then disable your non-standard repos and it should display your stuff. | 05:23 |
| pwnguin | anyone know of a photo gallery webapp that might play nicely with the photo sharing thing on n900? | 05:26 |
| pwnguin | ok, not flickr. something apt-gettable on my own server | 05:26 |
| pwnguin | also | 05:28 |
| pwnguin | http://www.futurepicture.org/ | 05:28 |
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| cehteh | hey cool i can segv strace :P | 05:42 |
| cehteh | (not the supervised program, but strace itself) | 05:43 |
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| gtessier00 | wtf fedex is LIGHTNING FAST :\ | 06:07 |
| gtessier00 | N900 picked up at store at 7h00, leaved new york at 9h30, now it's at cleanrance at montreal | 06:07 |
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| pwnguin | gtessier00: on the one hand, fedex does air freight | 06:12 |
| pwnguin | on the other hand, have you ever taken a high school chemistry class? | 06:13 |
| gtessier00 | huh yeah | 06:14 |
| gtessier00 | what's the point | 06:14 |
| gtessier00 | :P | 06:14 |
| pwnguin | sometimes, you take a look at the data and decide that version of reality is wrong and start working backwards | 06:15 |
| gtessier00 | ? | 06:15 |
| pwnguin | "hmm this box says it never left new york!" | 06:15 |
| pwnguin | "just make something up bob" | 06:15 |
| gtessier00 | well, arrival time is tomorrow before 17h00 | 06:16 |
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| gtessier00 | and.. could you imagine how much $$ it would cost to only make ''figure'' that it departed from new york, while it's not... I don't think a serious company would do that lol | 06:17 |
| * Arkenoi is going to order that "1700mAh" battery just to check | 06:19 | |
| * gtessier00 just to check if it can fuck up your N900 :P | 06:20 | |
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| pupnik | i just segfaulted sbox shell setting an environment variable | 06:23 |
| pupnik | cool eh | 06:23 |
| pupnik | it is almost surely somemthing instable with my system | 06:23 |
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| Arkenoi | gtessier, i doubt it will fuck it up really badly, never seen batteries *that* bad ;-) | 06:26 |
| * Arkenoi is reinstalling newer debian-chroot, will see if it is finally usable | 06:28 | |
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| pupnik | when things fail to build, my new favorite happines is deleting the superfluous test from ./configure | 06:35 |
| pupnik | i fear this will not work in autobuilder | 06:35 |
| pupnik | so i might as well put it here - our libpng fails to link on png_decompress_chunk | 06:36 |
| pupnik | which i see had a security vulnerabilty a while back | 06:37 |
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| pupnik | is there a rummage pile of our compiled dependencies... | 06:48 |
| pupnik | looking at how many hours i sank into http://pupnik.de/deps/deps.html | 06:49 |
| swc|666 | jebba, any progress with the modules? i failed :| | 06:50 |
| pupnik | swc|666: you are uploading kernel modules for fremantle? can handbuilt debs be accepted? | 06:50 |
| swc|666 | pupnik, no idea .. i'm just trying to build kernel modules for freemantle, getitng them to actually work first | 06:51 |
| swc|666 | pupnik, have you built some modules? | 06:51 |
| pupnik | no, someone nice built 'joydev' and uqm depends on it but has no candidate | 06:52 |
| pupnik | what modules are you making? :) | 06:52 |
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| gtessier00 | noooooooooooo :( package is stucked at customs :( | 06:52 |
| gtessier00 | clearance delay :( | 06:52 |
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| swc|666 | pupnik, trying to get various iptables modules working | 06:53 |
| pupnik | nice | 06:53 |
| pupnik | we could use a simple zonealarm-style program to get alerts for proggies accessing net | 06:54 |
| pupnik | very useful for people on roaming | 06:54 |
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| swc|666 | pupnik, i just can't understand why they didnt build the important iptables modules from the get go | 06:56 |
| swc|666 | and the iptables binary | 06:56 |
| pupnik | limited time available | 06:56 |
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| pupnik | does maemo sdk vm need /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99proxy or not | 07:12 |
| pupnik | wgetting deps sux | 07:12 |
| pupnik | http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=683705&postcount=6 this may be correct | 07:13 |
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| pupnik | this will cost me many more hours | 07:15 |
| pupnik | ahh 99proxy was made for nokia corp network | 07:15 |
| SplasPood | I still don't think I've successfully been able to get the SDK going on one of my ubuntu 9.10 systems... I think I'm readin the wrong docs | 07:20 |
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| pupnik | SplasPood: are we *supposed* to not be able to apt-get or wget or ping or dig or traceroute etc etc etc from within armel-target? | 07:22 |
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| GAN900 | SplasPood, did you try the GUI installer? | 07:23 |
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| gtessier00 | did some1 here ordered his n900 using fedex ? | 07:31 |
| pupnik | nope | 07:34 |
| pupnik | Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/non-free Packages | 07:35 |
| pupnik | Reading package lists... Error! | 07:35 |
| pupnik | E: Problem parsing dependency Depends | 07:35 |
| pupnik | E: Error occurred while processing freeciv-data (NewVersion1) | 07:35 |
| pupnik | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-testing_dists_fremantle_non-free_binary-armel_Packages | 07:35 |
| pupnik | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation occurred since adding tools as shown on this page | 07:36 |
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| pupnik | WARNING: mergeliist corrupted after addinng tools to N900 | 07:46 |
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| GAN900 | Ugh, Red Pill for .deb on Planet. . . . | 08:10 |
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| pupnik | GAN900: do you know if 'quilt' is available for fremantle sdk? | 08:13 |
| pupnik | that is a fun one to be missing for debian packaging | 08:14 |
| pupnik | it is just scripts afaik, so i do have thee actual quilt commands installed, just no fitting package to satisfy deps | 08:14 |
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| pwnguin | heh | 08:24 |
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| dmj7261 | who's working on apps to control the camera? | 08:27 |
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| pwnguin | hmm. first extras-testing tanks and now t.m.o is down | 08:31 |
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| RST38h | China is planning to enforce a whitelist on foreign domains: in particular, any e-commerce will have to register locally and obey Chinese law before they get whitelisted. Domains will otherwise be 'irresolvable' to Chinese Internet users. Meanwhile, the government is promoting this campaign heavily, calling it a 'fresh start.' | 08:38 |
| RST38h | hehe | 08:39 |
| luke-jr_ | ... | 08:39 |
| luke-jr_ | so just don't use their DNS servers? | 08:40 |
| RST38h | they ain't stupid | 08:40 |
| luke-jr_ | <.< | 08:40 |
| RST38h | so, I guess they will block outside DNS | 08:40 |
| luke-jr_ | SSL DNS | 08:40 |
| luke-jr_ | <.< | 08:40 |
| RST38h | and address ranges too | 08:40 |
| luke-jr_ | hmm | 08:41 |
| luke-jr_ | Tor | 08:41 |
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| RST38h | Oh, interesting, Nokia just announced a new flagship phone it seems | 08:43 |
| RST38h | moo tekojo | 08:43 |
| wiretapped | link? | 08:44 |
| RST38h | a moment, verifying | 08:44 |
| tekojo | moo RST38h | 08:44 |
| * wiretapped boards BART | 08:45 | |
| tekojo | RST38h huh, where, I want to see! | 08:45 |
| RST38h | No, that was bullshit | 08:45 |
| RST38h | Another blogger caught by the "N00" thing on a developer sample | 08:46 |
| luke-jr_ | wtf kind of a name is moo tekojo | 08:46 |
| RST38h | tekojo: BTW, I finally found a way to get rid of the fugly "no-playing" animated icon =) | 08:47 |
| RST38h | It is a total of 8 PNGs (4 in 64x64 + 4 in scalable) that have to be replaced with something relevant. GNOME volume control icons work, for example. | 08:47 |
| tekojo | no-playing icon? | 08:47 |
| RST38h | noW-playing, sorry | 08:48 |
| tekojo | The up and down bars? | 08:48 |
| tekojo | are they in the icons folder? | 08:49 |
| RST38h | yep | 08:49 |
| RST38h | I can probably package the new ones into a .deb, but still wonder why you do not supply better ones officially :) | 08:49 |
| tekojo | no idea, maybe ask for them to be added to theme maker? | 08:50 |
| tekojo | luke-jr I would take that name as a compliment :-) | 08:51 |
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| dmj7261 | talk appears down | 08:52 |
| tekojo | dmj7261 works for me | 08:53 |
| dmj7261 | is it slow for you? | 08:54 |
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| dmj7261 | I just got the main talk page to load, just had to wait a few minutes for it to find the site. | 08:55 |
| tekojo | dmj7261 slower than normal at this time of day | 08:56 |
| dmj7261 | I've been waiting 5 minutes for a page to load. | 08:56 |
| pupnik | is talk being down bad? | 08:56 |
| tekojo | 5 second lags yes, but not minutes | 08:56 |
| dmj7261 | it's not my connection either. | 08:57 |
| RST38h | tekojo: Adding them to the theme maker is a mighty good idea. Just keep in mind there are two sets (one for the widget, another for the media player itself) | 08:57 |
| RST38h | <work? | 08:57 |
| RST38h | <work> <-- ok, typed it right this time | 08:58 |
| tekojo | RST38h contact konttori | 08:58 |
| tekojo | ping konttori_nokia | 08:58 |
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| dmj7261 | Is there a good way to control gdigicam from the terminal? | 09:05 |
| pupnik | dmj7261: that is a free camera app that works on N900? | 09:09 |
| dmj7261 | I'm looking to set the focus manually. | 09:11 |
| dmj7261 | gdigicam is a library that controls the camera | 09:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | find /sys -name '*focus*' might help | 09:24 |
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| swc|666 | w00t, finally got these damned iptables/nat modules working ffs | 09:25 |
| swc|666 | lol | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | that seems to be a common topic for many | 09:26 |
| pupnik | congrats | 09:26 |
| swc|666 | thx | 09:26 |
| swc|666 | now for the iptable sbinary 0o | 09:26 |
| swc|666 | s/sbinary/binary/ | 09:26 |
| infobot | swc|666 meant: now for the iptable binary 0o | 09:26 |
| swc|666 | ty infobot | 09:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 09:28 |
| infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 | 09:28 |
| swc|666 | does this mean the repo is down?? http://pastie.org/752817 | 09:30 |
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| jaem_n900 | morning | 09:30 |
| swc|666 | gm jaem_n900 | 09:30 |
| jaem_n900 | who's in charge of extras-testing? | 09:30 |
| lbt | o/ all | 09:30 |
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| lbt | jaem_n900: X-Fade... | 09:30 |
| jaem_n900 | ah | 09:30 |
| jaem_n900 | I can't stick around, but can someone poke him for me? apt is bailing while trying to parse the list from -testing | 09:31 |
| jaem_n900 | on update, that is | 09:31 |
| swc|666 | same | 09:31 |
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| pupnik | i believe that the performance problems are known | 09:31 |
| pupnik | it is not down | 09:31 |
| jaem_n900 | pupnik, not what I meant | 09:32 |
| jaem_n900 | it fetches the list fine, but then bails while reading it | 09:32 |
| tekojo | yes, it's worse now for a couple of days as the old servers are being copied | 09:32 |
| pupnik | ah yes, that is new | 09:32 |
| jaem_n900 | it doesn't like the freeciv-data package entry | 09:32 |
| pupnik | same prob here jaem_n900 - freeciv-data | 09:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ouch | 09:32 |
| jaem_n900 | okay, just wanted to make sure someone knew about it | 09:33 |
| jaem_n900 | it makes HAM very sad :( | 09:33 |
| tekojo | will ping him | 09:33 |
| jaem_n900 | and apt just complains loudly | 09:33 |
| jaem_n900 | thanks :P | 09:33 |
| jaem_n900 | night | 09:33 |
| pupnik | yeah and dont go editing apt caches by hand | 09:33 |
| jaem_n900 | haha | 09:33 |
| jaem_n900 | no | 09:33 |
| pupnik | well i tried that for fun | 09:33 |
| jaem_n900 | ;) | 09:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | maemo.org "a server error has occured. Detail: 504" :-/ | 09:43 |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, duuude! | 09:44 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, quake 3 engine!) | 09:44 |
| pupnik | plelase include a verb in your staements | 09:45 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, I just got an idea) | 09:45 |
| pupnik | thanks | 09:45 |
| pupnik | :) | 09:45 |
| pupnik | lets see, not useless controls | 09:45 |
| pupnik | how about that | 09:45 |
| wazd_n800 | perfect engine for games on n900 | 09:46 |
| pupnik | except for those that need a different engine | 09:46 |
| pupnik | there are also some quake2 engine games built for n800. i think one was a racing game | 09:46 |
| wazd_n800 | well, accelerometer+volume+touchscreen+keyboard | 09:46 |
| pupnik | actually i only tried theopenarena port | 09:47 |
| wazd_n800 | well, id tech 3 is fast, powerful and it was made by John goddamn Carmack :D | 09:48 |
| wazd_n800 | It has all devtools | 09:48 |
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| wazd_n800 | like level editor and stuff | 09:48 |
| wazd_n800 | so basically you'll have just to script everything | 09:49 |
| wazd_n800 | engine will do the rest | 09:49 |
| wazd_n800 | damn,, it's purely genius idea) | 09:50 |
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| wazd_n800 | and it's gl es2 ready I guess btw | 09:51 |
| wazd_n800 | who needs Ogre now I wonder)) | 09:52 |
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| pupnik | security heads-up - looks like we have a problem with checking for png_decompress_chunk in -lpng... no | 10:04 |
| pupnik | autoconf says it is not contained in libpng from libpng12-dev_1.2.37-1maemo1+0m5_armel.deb | 10:05 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik: not really a security issue, but that it is missing :P | 10:07 |
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| joppu | Reflect Theme updated, now with missing info filed and bugfixes. Currently in extras-testing! Please evaluate and vote! | 10:09 |
| pupnik | Stskeeps: do you know i can manually check that libray? the function is containend in thecorresponding png-dev package from extras | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: it's oss | 10:09 |
| pupnik | i was hoping to get a list of functions from something like ldd | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | png-dev shouldn't be in extras | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | it should be in SDK | 10:12 |
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| pupnik | to verify that it is actually in the file armel /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0.37.0 | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | nm -D | 10:13 |
| pupnik | maybe if i install the -dbg, i can get labels for those functions | 10:13 |
| pupnik | based on the -dev package and resulting /include, it shouldl find it | 10:14 |
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| pupnik | i guess the thing to is look at the ./configure script moree closely? | 10:15 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is there an applet which would show a bit more about battery life? (not a widget, but something which would go in the notification area) | 11:12 |
| Corsac | (though I'm not sure how it's called) | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | hal-device bme and go from there | 11:12 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: I was more asking for stuff integrated in the UI, but I guess it's a “no” :) | 11:14 |
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| tekojo | ping AndrewBlack | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm maemo5 numptyphysics bottomline is somewhere a few dozen pixels below and outside of screen | 11:22 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe almost the size of topbar that's missing in maemo4 NP as there it's fullscreen | 11:24 |
| pH5 | good morning | 11:24 |
| Fargus | Morning Andrew | 11:24 |
| Fargus | and everyone else! | 11:24 |
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| BluesLee | does someone use the wiicontrol app on the n900? | 11:28 |
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| BluesLee | the app icon disappeared right after a reboot, if i add one manually it crashes, its similiar with numptyphysics | 11:29 |
| BluesLee | hmm, maybe i can start it in the terminalm similiar to the mc icon | 11:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | BluesLee: heh so I was not mentaly insane when thinking I seen NP icon :-D | 11:36 |
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| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer51: i dont understand why the wiicontrol icon disappeared | 11:39 |
| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer51: okay, works now | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | BluesLee: aah. On N810 the whole numptyphysics disappeared - even from appmanager. Had to insatl from .deb to get it back | 11:44 |
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| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer51: this matrix thing with the app manager is cool | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | matrix thing? the hidden reality? | 11:46 |
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| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer51: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxCoMyT8hd8&feature=player_embedded | 11:46 |
| BluesLee | matrix-red-install from file, hehe | 11:47 |
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| BluesLee | i wonder what matrix-blue is? | 11:48 |
| Corsac | blue pill / red pill? | 11:48 |
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| BluesLee | invisible pill | 11:49 |
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| swc|666 | this phone needs localepurge ported to it :/ | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | BluesLee: quite funny. On N810 it was sufficient to click on the .deb in filemanager to make appmanager install it | 11:51 |
| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer51: maybe there is also a matrix command to activate usb host:-) | 11:52 |
| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer51: just a joke ... | 11:52 |
| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer51: i will miss that feature | 11:53 |
| dmj7261 | who developed the default camera app? | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I wish there was redpill mode for friggin filemanager. Even petrovic which states to be able to "send *arbitrary* files" does not even know about files in my own homedir. Just because it uses the same borked bluepill crap like FM | 11:56 |
| BluesLee | there is something odd about the files shown in the fm, right? | 11:57 |
| fnordianslip | morning. puzzled here. how do i get conky promoted from extras-testing to extras? it now has karma of 11. | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hiding real world (here fs tree) from "poor user" not to scare him with things like english dirnames or even /etc etc | 11:59 |
| pH5 | dmj7261: nokia. you could check the camera-ui package maintainer | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | dmj7261: why do you ask? | 11:59 |
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| dmj7261 | just having trouble writing my own alternative | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | dmj7261: there was an open camera app for the n8x0 iirc | 12:00 |
| dmj7261 | The camera ui doesn't work properly for one use case of mine. | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | which is? | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | plus there's the mirror app which is probably open | 12:00 |
| dmj7261 | It won't focus properly up close unless you trick it. | 12:00 |
| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer51: what is the "Mac Os" Dir about, can i remove it? | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | even in macro? | 12:00 |
| pH5 | also mbarcode is using the camera and af | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | BluesLee: would you be shocked that it's for computers running Mac OS? | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | (actually Mac OS X, but Nokia can't spell) | 12:01 |
| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: hehe | 12:01 |
| dmj7261 | Yeah, in macro it focuses a lot on the object a foot away leaving the subject 2 inches away blurry | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly Mac OS X is a Unix | 12:01 |
| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: okay, i will rmeove it | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | Unixes by default hide files and folders whose first letter is '.' | 12:01 |
| Corsac | is it possible to add comments on brainstorms? | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | This means that if you plug your n900 into a computer running Unix, you won't see anything | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless: so waht? | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | because all of the default folders (Except DCIM) start with '.' | 12:02 |
| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: damn:-) | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. '.documents', '.images', '.media', ... | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | now if you plug in a device and it has no content | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and you use get info | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and it says "mostly full" | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | what would you do? | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd reformat it | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | that'd get me all the space back | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | now, when you eject it from your mac | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | fnordianslip: you should see a 'Promote package' link on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/conky/1.6.1-0maemo5-1.1/ | 12:03 |
| dmj7261 | mbarcode does af? | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | and go back to using your n900 | 12:03 |
| onion | do I need to do something special when putting a GtkTreeView inside a HildonPannableArea ? I don't get any selection or activation signals from the tree view. Signals work ok when it's inside a plain GtkScrolledWindow. | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll find all your data is gone | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | *oops* | 12:03 |
| Corsac | I do wonder why those folders are hidden while they _are_ useful | 12:03 |
| Corsac | but I'm sure there is a very good reason :) | 12:03 |
| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: i have no mac and i will never | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | the Mac OS folder has things which are aliases to the .folders | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | BluesLee: you'll never plug your n900 into a friend's mac? | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | is that because you don't have many friends? | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | are you a Finn in disguise? | 12:03 |
| Corsac | I'll never plug my n900 into a friend | 12:03 |
| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: i have no friends with a mac, i have no friends:-) | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: so if some devine devels decided to have hiddeb dirs there... :-/ | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | ah hah, a Finn in disguise | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: one story at a time | 12:04 |
| fnordianslip | X-Fade: should i expect to see the "Promote Package" link in the bottom right hand corner of the white text area at the top, just like for promotion from devel to testing? if so, then I don't see it | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | BluesLee: roughly speaking, the folder eats so little space | 12:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | that you'd be better served ignoring it | 12:04 |
| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: just a joke, damn i have removed the MAC OS dir | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | fnordianslip: yes. | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | fnordianslip: logged in? | 12:04 |
| fnordianslip | X-Fade: as I thought. wonder why i don't see it. yes logge din. | 12:05 |
| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: are you sure that it will not work? | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: ok, now that BluesLee has admitted a lack of friends | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | BluesLee: I'm typing from my macbook pro here | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 12:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | I worked on the Icon that you get when you plug your n900 into a Windows, Linux or Macintosh | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | yes I think i'm pretty sure | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 12:05 |
| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: okay, lets do a test, remove your Mac OS folde ron the n900 and plug it in | 12:05 |
| Corsac | the icon on the device or the icon on the laptop? | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | wtf | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | BluesLee: better rename ;-P | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | fnordianslip: Cache perhaps? | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: the device icon as viewed from the host | 12:06 |
| Corsac | didn't know you could change that from the device, for a linux host | 12:06 |
| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: the n900 should be smart enough to see that the folder is missing and recover one from default? | 12:06 |
| Corsac | or maybe only under GNOME? | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | BluesLee: it should go against the user's wishes/ | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | oh right, let's fight the user, that's a great plan! | 12:06 |
| Corsac | BluesLee: if the folder is useless I guess they wouldn't have included it, though | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | then the user will complain that it's fighting | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | no. if you're stupid enough to delete it, that's mostly your fault | 12:07 |
| BluesLee | damn | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | the fact that we don't include a file explaining the folder's purpose, is us being stupid | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and you're welcome to complain about that | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | feel free to call nokia care | 12:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | you can explain to them that you deleted the folder from your n900 because you didn't understand why it was there | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and when you plugged it into a macintosh, you couldn't see anything | 12:08 |
| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: its no problem at all | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: I feel fighting user is what it's all about by renaming and hiding dirs | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | you can note that "had there been a file explaining why the folder was there, you wouldn't have done that" | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: ... one problem at a time | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | BluesLee: are we done here? | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i owe DocScrutinizer51 an explanation | 12:08 |
| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: i will get me the file structure from scratchbox | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i highly doubt our sdk includes that directory | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | it's part of the mmc data... | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: so... | 12:09 |
| Corsac | hmh, funny, when I plug the n900 I see 3 exported devices: the sdcard, the “Nokia N900” and a 200M filesystem | 12:09 |
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| Corsac | with my pictures | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shoot | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | the 770 which is the ancestor of the n800 which is the ancestor of the n810 which is the ancestor of the n900 | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: that last one sounds really odd | 12:10 |
| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: hmm, maybe a user can tar the dir and sent it to me? | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | BluesLee: if you ask nicely, someone could probably do that, yes | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | but not me now | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: ... | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | it was designed by Gtk hackers | 12:10 |
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| Corsac | timeless_mbp: I agree | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | these are GNU Linux people | 12:10 |
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| BluesLee | timeless_mbp: okay, in that case i dont need to call nokia:-) | 12:10 |
| fnordianslip | X-Fade: doesn't seem to be a caching thing. I even tried a different browser (safari) and still no way to promote. | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: save your time ;-) | 12:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: I don't need a justifivation for that crap ;-P | 12:11 |
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| Corsac | timeless_mbp: this is a vfat partition with the DCIM folder and inside the camera pictures | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | and they were asked to come up with a system which allowed for Localized directory names | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: so um | 12:11 |
| Corsac | (and it's the first partition) | 12:11 |
| Corsac | hmhm | 12:12 |
| Corsac | wait | 12:12 |
| joppu | Fsck yeah! I'm getting my repacement today, they just called from the mail! | 12:12 |
| Corsac | the “Nokia N900” is exported as /dev/sdb, and the two others are from /dev/sdc | 12:12 |
| Corsac | so I guess I have two partitions on the sdcard, an ext3 and a vfat one, and the camera put the pictures in the vfat one | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | CoreFusion-: exactly | 12:13 |
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| Corsac | timeless_mbp: the Linux boxes use .VolumeIcons? | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | no, they use autorun.inf | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | which perhaps BluesLee also deleted... | 12:15 |
| Corsac | .VolumeIcon.icns even | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | nah, that's the OS X one | 12:15 |
| Corsac | ok | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | the .n900.ico is used | 12:15 |
| Corsac | hmhm I think I disabled autorun.inf altogether, but I'm not even sure Xfce would support custom icons anyway | 12:16 |
| dmj7261 | hmm...is there a way to change the default camera app to focus on say a particular point? | 12:16 |
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| fnordianslip | wonder if there is a delay between getting enough karma (>= 10) and getting the option to promote? | 12:16 |
| Macer | stargate was an awesome movie when it came out | 12:16 |
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| Macer | Corsac: how is that tb working out for you? | 12:17 |
| Corsac | fine, though i didn't have much time to play with it | 12:18 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 creates some hardlinks with sane names to a couple of .dirs | 12:18 | |
| Macer | liar. it is under your bed like mine was before i sold it for half the price. :) | 12:18 |
| Macer | haha. ah well. bed time. | 12:18 |
| Corsac | moron | 12:18 |
| Macer | Corsac: did you see the picture of the one in popular mechanics | 12:19 |
| flux | dmj7261, I imagine it focuses to the center of the screen, but the traditional trick to do that is to make sure the focused object is at center first, then move the camera around while keeping focus | 12:19 |
| flux | dmj7261, I suppose with a touch screen an assignable focus point would be nice to have, though :) | 12:19 |
| pH5 | dmj7261: touch focus? if you file an enhancement bug for that, I'd vote for it | 12:19 |
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| Macer | it had to have been a render :) it was too well designed. with actual fn markings on the kb | 12:19 |
| dmj7261 | Perhaps it would be easier getting Nokia to fix this. | 12:20 |
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| dmj7261 | Given that the alternative is to rewrite the entire app. | 12:20 |
| dmj7261 | What I would like would be to be able to focus on a given point or have a focus slider. | 12:21 |
| dmj7261 | I'd settle for a focus slider even. | 12:21 |
| dmj7261 | It doesn't focus in the center. | 12:21 |
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| Macer | heh. now corsac knows why nobody buys french cars | 12:25 |
| Macer | good night | 12:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: sorry.... | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | where was i | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | so, the requirement given to the 770 linux hacker people was: | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | provide a way to show folders with translated names | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you were about to realize I'm no worthy target for your efforts ;-P | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | the other part of this requirement was to make sure that people didn't hard code English paths into anything | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the first sin ;-D | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | their "solution" was to give the directories "hidden" names | 12:30 |
| dmj7261 | Here's what I get in macro: http://imagebin.org/76461 | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | because if the user were to create a folder named "Documents" | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | it wouldn't conflict with a folder named "Documentos" (italian?) | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | and when you switched to English, it still wouldn't conflict | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | although it would be unfortunate | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | the microsoft approach is to use a file named 'desktop.ini' inside the folder | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well it confuses hell out of me | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and give it some attributes telling the system it's special | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: you think you're that special? | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | it's stupid | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | but they were hackers | 12:32 |
| dmj7261 | I know it can focus close because of pics like this: http://imagebin.org/76463 | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and insisted on reinventing the wheel | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and I question the rationale behind it anyway | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | instead of copying from microsoft | 12:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, the general requirements: Localizable folder names | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and Not hard coding English paths | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and Not conflicting with a user created Folder | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | BAAD | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | are all perfectly reasonable | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | their solution sucks | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | but ... | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | the thing is, it was made for the 770 | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and then there were all these apps written for the 770 | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and ported to the n800/n810 | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and then more apps written for the n800/n810 | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly speaking, changing this would have broken all of those apps | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 12:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so now all is FUBAR... yeah I see | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | write once wrong, suffer many | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | simply I don't like the whole approach | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, i'm not defending it | 12:34 |
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| BluesLee | i have one more question, where i can alias rm='rm -i' for root? | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | it's another case of NIH and We Can't Steal From Microsoft | 12:34 |
| BluesLee | it refuses to use the entry from /etc/profile | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | BluesLee: which "it"? | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | sudo gainroot? | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | ssh root@127.1 ? | 12:34 |
| BluesLee | yeah | 12:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | which? | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | BluesLee: in .profile? | 12:35 |
| BluesLee | ahh | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | typically sudo iirc will not load profile stuff | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | because it's not supposed to be the real shell | 12:35 |
| * Arkenoi thinks that hardcoding english paths is far lesser evil than all that "virtual" path tricks | 12:35 | |
| timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: again, i'm not defending what they did | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the whole thing is crappybox anyway | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | what they did was stupid | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so abandon all hope. then go apt-get install bash | 12:36 |
| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer51: it works, thanx | 12:36 |
| Arkenoi | latest easy debian fails to install. Operation temporary disabled due to low memory" all the time :-( | 12:37 |
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| red | BluesLee: your sudo gainroot works with .profile aliases after apt-get install bash? | 12:39 |
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| Corsac | timeless_mbp: did they look at xdg-user-dirs? | 12:40 |
| timeless_mbp | in 2005? | 12:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wonders what gainroot actually does' from a syscalls POV | 12:40 | |
| Stskeeps | sudo? :P | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | obviously not | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: nothing | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | it's roughly speaking a shell | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | which is a binary and has the suid bit | 12:41 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: no but since then it could have been a good idea to switch to a more common solution | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: um... | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | first, are you certain we don't play nicely with xdg | 12:42 |
| Corsac | (especially if the goal is to go from a geek-only device to mass market | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and second, how would that solve the probably described above | 12:42 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks dolphin | 12:42 | |
| Corsac | I'm not certain of anything but, aiui, xdg-user-dirs is intended to fix the same problems | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | it is | 12:43 |
| Corsac | (“general” folders, localisation etc.) | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | and it wouldn't shock me if the nokians who first did this worked w/ xdg | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | since that'd be the "proper linux" thing to do | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 225 Dec 4 23:01 /usr/sbin/gainroot | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, not suid, that's sudo | 12:45 |
| red | is there any better way to gain su rights than sudo gainroot via the shroot app? | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly it's just a binary that will run s | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | sh | 12:45 |
| red | its kinda annoying due the .profile ignoring etc | 12:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | red: ssh root@localhost | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | that'll give you a proper login shell | 12:45 |
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| red | ty | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | it depends on your goal | 12:46 |
| red | to mimic getting the rights with the command su on ubuntu etc | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | you could probably replace su | 12:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nuke crappybox ;-D | 12:47 |
| Corsac | thing is, busybox is essential or something, so removing it might be a bit tricky | 12:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. heard that | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | initscripts rely on crappybox bugs | 12:48 |
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| dmj7261 | pH5: I filed it. | 12:53 |
| dmj7261 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7224 | 12:54 |
| povbot | Bug 7224: camera app focuses on wrong object | 12:54 |
| dmj7261 | flux: you might want to look too. | 12:54 |
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| wazd_5130 | Jeez | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | computer blew up? | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:57 |
| wazd_5130 | 12am, monday, damn army of people are waiting for tickets to watch avatar | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:59 |
| wazd_5130 | I've booked thursday tickets | 12:59 |
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| pH5 | dmj7261: ty | 13:00 |
| wazd_5130 | Rst, around? | 13:00 |
| wazd_5130 | Sts, heya btw) | 13:01 |
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| rashed2020 | Can an app intercept an incoming phone call before the phone app gets it? | 13:04 |
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| Anidel | oh oh | 13:05 |
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| dmj7261 | pH5: I think I know what it focuses on. | 13:15 |
| dmj7261 | It's not the center of the screen. | 13:16 |
| dmj7261 | It's the brightest area. | 13:16 |
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| jennyfast2 | Hello | 13:26 |
| jennyfast2 | Anyone ever install ubuntu on their N8x0? | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | yes, there's a thread on it on talk.maemo.org | 13:27 |
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| pekuja | I installed a Conboy update today, and now Conboy has disappeared from the application menu. | 13:30 |
| pekuja | Is that a known problem? | 13:30 |
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| pekuja | maybe I should reinstall it | 13:33 |
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| mgedmin | pekuja, happened to me too! | 13:39 |
| mgedmin | no clue how, but after installation the desktop file got removed | 13:39 |
| pekuja | weird | 13:40 |
| mgedmin | I fixed it by reinstalling conboy | 13:40 |
| Oli``` | I want to ssh to my phone but I don't want to install a ssh server on my phone (because I'll undoubtedly leave it on and get my legs hacked off). Is there some way I could ssh to my desktop from my phone and somehow reverse the connection so I controlled the phone terminal from the desktop? | 13:40 |
| pekuja | yeah, seems like reinstalling fixed it for me too | 13:40 |
| mgedmin | Oli```, it is possible, yes | 13:42 |
| timeless_mbp | comment in the testing thing? | 13:42 |
| Oli``` | mgedmin: can you poke me in the right directioin? | 13:42 |
| Oli``` | or the right direction? Your choice ;) | 13:42 |
| mgedmin | I don't have the energy to walk you through it; essentially what you need to do is install openssh-server, change /etc/ssh/sshd.conf to listen only on localhost, and then ssh -R 222:localhost:22 yourdesktop (if I got it right) | 13:43 |
| lbt | BBC talking about Fennec and N900... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8425906.stm | 13:43 |
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| lbt | and.... " Apple is very restrictive. It doesn't allow other browsers " | 13:44 |
| Termana | Everyone is taking a stab at Apple these days - even BBC :P | 13:44 |
| mikhas | nice | 13:45 |
| pekuja | I thought I just saw an alternative browser in the app store | 13:47 |
| thresh | Termana: it is just utterly stupid to have Cortex A8 and just don't let users use it inside the iPhone | 13:47 |
| pekuja | but maybe I'm remembering wrong | 13:47 |
| Termana | pekuja: I doubt it, Apple doesn't allow apps through that duplicate functionality | 13:48 |
| pekuja | yeah, I know | 13:48 |
| pekuja | that's why I remember | 13:49 |
| pekuja | but then mayebe I'm thinking of something else | 13:49 |
| Termana | thresh - I don't get what you mean by the iPhone having a Cortex A8 and it not being used? | 13:49 |
| Termana | I was under the impression that the iPhone 3GS' main processor was the Cortex A8 | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | The user has no access to the hardware accelleration of running in a lower level language. | 13:50 |
| jennyfast2 | I downloaded a tar file to my "My Documents" directory. I'm currently in another directory, what do I type in root when locating the tar in the "My Documents" directory? | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | it's in /home/user/MyDocs/ | 13:50 |
| mgedmin | jennyfast2, cd /home/user/MyDocs | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | prolly | 13:50 |
| thresh | Termana: yeah, but you cant access it's DSP | 13:51 |
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| thresh | thank you | 13:51 |
| thresh | sucks to be ill | 13:51 |
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| jennyfast2 | I want to unload it into /mnt/d1x | 13:51 |
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| flux | dmj7261, did you try focusing into larger objects? maybe the focusing area is too big. | 13:55 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 curses "My Documents", osso-fm, and the whole freaking nonsense | 14:09 | |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: I don't like gnome ~/Documents myself | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:09 |
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| Stskeeps | or especially, ~/Pulpit, which my idiotic ubuntu install made at one point | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I don't like gnome | 14:10 |
| woglinde | doc me too | 14:11 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: you can re{move,name} them and it should be kept like this | 14:11 |
| woglinde | *sigh* another debian package to beautify and uploading | 14:12 |
| rashed2020 | Is there an API for phone connectivity? | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dbus? | 14:13 |
| rashed2020 | I've been looking at the docs for a while. It's either not there or I'm stupid (the latter being more likely). | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually not | 14:14 |
| rashed2020 | Oh wait, DBusPendingCalls might be what I'm looking for. | 14:15 |
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| woglinde | rashed2020 check the -dev ml | 14:15 |
| woglinde | qwerty dismantled most dbus commands | 14:15 |
| rashed2020 | woglinde: -dev ml? | 14:15 |
| jennyfast2 | What's the best portable computer? | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | *most* ??? o.O | 14:15 |
| jennyfast2 | I don't want to spend $1000 | 14:16 |
| jennyfast2 | Under $500 | 14:16 |
| jennyfast2 | I was thinking the OQO, or Sony UX | 14:16 |
| jennyfast2 | Any other recommendations? | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a few might be the appropriaate wording, no? | 14:16 |
| jennyfast2 | Something that can run Windows or Ubuntu | 14:16 |
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| ifreq | any netbook with 10 plus hour battery usage | 14:17 |
| rashed2020 | How often can one expect Fremantle updates? | 14:17 |
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| rashed2020 | jennyfast2: I have an Acer Timeline 3810T. It's not as portable as the ones you mentions but it's really good. 7+ battery life and DOESN'T use Atom. | 14:18 |
| glass_ | oqo and sony ux are not really even near 500$, no? | 14:18 |
| tigert | ifreq: N900 ;) | 14:20 |
| woglinde | rashed2020 maemo-devel mailinglist | 14:20 |
| ifreq | tigert well n900 is not netbook | 14:21 |
| tigert | well yeah | 14:21 |
| tigert | but what is a "netbook"? | 14:21 |
| tigert | its a lot more like a netbook than a cellphone if you think of the uses | 14:21 |
| woglinde | netbook has huge screens | 14:21 |
| woglinde | compares to phones | 14:21 |
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| tigert | what resolutions do they usually have? | 14:23 |
| mikhas | I think I can fit roughly 70% on my n900's terminal compared to my laptop's (1280x800) terminal ... | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's really fsckng smart. All you can access via osso-fm is actually VFAT. You cna,t create softlinks on VFAT to escape to real fs | 14:23 |
| ShadowJK | mikhas, something like that, yeah :) | 14:24 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer51, and bindmounts inside? | 14:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmmm | 14:25 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: use terminal for real fs access | 14:25 |
| tigert | filemanagers are for the weak anyway | 14:25 |
| flexxxv | hello, where can I get the actuel vgba for diablo? | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tigert: tell taht to petrovic | 14:25 |
| tigert | well | 14:25 |
| flexxxv | it isn't anymore in repo | 14:25 |
| tigert | petrovich and filemanager and the end user apps | 14:26 |
| tigert | those are meant for user's data | 14:26 |
| tigert | which is in ~/MyDocs and /home | 14:26 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tigert: aah yes | 14:26 |
| tigert | there is no point showing the unix filesystem to normal people | 14:27 |
| tigert | us geeks are a different story | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas I can't access /home | 14:27 |
| tigert | and well | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I can't even access /home/user | 14:27 |
| tigert | _what do you want to do_? | 14:28 |
| jaska | hmmh, cant seem to find the post with the phone dbus info | 14:28 |
| tigert | most of the time you want to access your files | 14:28 |
| tigert | which are in MyDocs | 14:28 |
| tigert | or in the external memory card | 14:28 |
| Corsac | I know that the Thunar dev ran thunar on scratchbox | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tigert: maybe *you* do | 14:28 |
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| woglinde | hm next task | 14:28 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: thats why I am asking what you want to do? | 14:28 |
| woglinde | git-buildpackage | 14:28 |
| Corsac | is someone sponsors him a device I'm sure he can tweak it so it runs fine on fremantle | 14:28 |
| woglinde | I have beautify so much packages | 14:28 |
| * mgedmin wonders if mentioning bind mounts to DocScrutinizer51 would be a good idea or a bad idea | 14:29 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | tigert: e.g copy my ~/.xchat2 drawer from N900 to N810 | 14:29 |
| woglinde | mgedmin doc is oldschool | 14:29 |
| woglinde | *g* | 14:29 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: use scp -r? | 14:29 |
| Corsac | woglinde: what do you mean by “beautify”? | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer51, doesn't backup/restore copy it over? | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | bug in xchat! | 14:29 |
| tigert | and backup should work too yeah | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | hm, didn't I build xchat for fremantle? | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tigert: over BT? | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | oops, I definitely didn't do anything to support backup | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's quite new | 14:30 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: wlan for example? | 14:30 |
| woglinde | corsac if someone patches in a configure.in the whole generated autoolssutff including m4-caches | 14:30 |
| woglinde | this suckz | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | although the version currently in extras-devel is not mine | 14:30 |
| woglinde | corsac and not usign cdbs is a crime | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tigert: yeah. or I simply read and type copy | 14:30 |
| Corsac | cdbs kind-of suck | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tigert: works always | 14:31 |
| woglinde | nope | 14:31 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: duh sure | 14:31 |
| woglinde | 4 lines of rules-file rockz | 14:31 |
| Corsac | well, it's useful on simple cases, but it really pisses me off on more complex stuff | 14:31 |
| woglinde | corsac hm askme | 14:31 |
| Corsac | woglinde: debhelper7 rocks (but I think we already had this discussion) | 14:31 |
| woglinde | only downdraw with cdbs is autoreconf | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer51, I recommend ssh for this kind of file transfer | 14:31 |
| Corsac | woglinde: I'm a debian developer, so thanks but I think I can manage it :) | 14:31 |
| woglinde | corsac no debhelper 7 in lenny and maemo | 14:31 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: but it was a clear design decision to hide the unix filesystem. copying your configuration files over to another devie is not exactly a common usecase that would justify against it | 14:32 |
| woglinde | corsac hehee | 14:32 |
| Corsac | woglinde: lenny has debhelper 7 | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: thatks. that's what I did as no other way worked | 14:32 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: you could tar it up in terminal and then send the tarball over? | 14:32 |
| woglinde | corsac hm oh | 14:32 |
| tigert | that is what I'd do | 14:32 |
| woglinde | sorry | 14:32 |
| Corsac | (but not 7.0.50 which has the override stuff) | 14:32 |
| woglinde | didnt look carefully | 14:32 |
| woglinde | corsac ah yeah ovveride is needed | 14:32 |
| Corsac | woglinde: I already asked on maemo-dev why the build arch for maemo was based on etch and not lenny though :/ | 14:32 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: besides, the filemanager doesnt show hidden files either | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tigert: I also could desolder the flash chip and pigyback it to desination device | 14:33 |
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| mikhas | tigert, did you encounter problems with large tarballs? | 14:33 |
| tigert | mikhas: havent done large ones | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tigert: so that's another benefit' huh? | 14:33 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: whats your point? | 14:33 |
| woglinde | corsac I like git-buildpackage really | 14:33 |
| woglinde | I will try to get in extras | 14:33 |
| Jaffa | lbt: ping | 14:34 |
| Corsac | I'm gonna try to push scapy in extras :) | 14:34 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: I just explained the reasoning why the filesystem access is like that for the N900 user | 14:34 |
| woglinde | corsac yeah yeah | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this reasoning is braindead | 14:34 |
| woglinde | corsac you are mainainer of scapy? | 14:34 |
| Corsac | woglinde: no | 14:35 |
| Corsac | (I maintain Xfce) | 14:35 |
| woglinde | hm okay | 14:35 |
| fnordianslip | i still can't promote conky to extras. by 09:00 UTC it had enough votes, but the option to promote is still not presented on this page (and I am logged in); https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/conky/1.6.1-0maemo5-1.1/ | 14:35 |
| Corsac | (and evolution ><) | 14:35 |
| woglinde | oh my god | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer51, *boggle* | 14:35 |
| Corsac | but I use scapy quite often and the sid package installed fine with dpkg -i | 14:35 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: I also gave you a few alternatives that should get the job done OK | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | do you seriously think you can require every mom and pop who buys a cellphone to understand /usr/lib and friends? | 14:35 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: if you just want to argue, please find someone else :) | 14:36 |
| woglinde | corsac yeah sid package even works on lenny | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | mgedmin: the freerunner premise! | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:36 |
| woglinde | hm reminds me | 14:36 |
| woglinde | that I could upload python-wifi to maemo | 14:36 |
| mikhas | mgedmin, or understand "folders" and "files" at all | 14:36 |
| woglinde | thats a good idea | 14:36 |
| lbt | Jaffa: pong | 14:36 |
| mgedmin | there's a difference between "possible" and "shoved right into your face" | 14:36 |
| mgedmin | or "allowed" and "required" | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tigert: you gave no statement I even would bother to argue against | 14:36 |
| mgedmin | I'm allowed to see the full unix filesystem on my n900 (xterm, sshfs), but I'm not required to | 14:37 |
| mikhas | and you shouldnt be required to, that's the whole point, no? | 14:37 |
| mikhas | should vs shouldnt, I mean | 14:37 |
| tigert | yeah, it was clearly decided that most users dont care about the unix fs | 14:37 |
| suihkulokki | or rather, the users that care about unix fs use the xterm anyway | 14:38 |
| tigert | dotfiles in /home, well, yeah, maybe one could expose /home/user, but still those can be accessed with term | 14:38 |
| tigert | its like I have Nautilus in Ubuntu | 14:38 |
| tigert | that shows me /etc if I want | 14:38 |
| lbt | Nautilus? | 14:38 |
| lbt | is that like windows explorer? | 14:39 |
| tigert | (the filemanager) | 14:39 |
| tigert | yeah | 14:39 |
| lbt | <sigh> | 14:39 |
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| tigert | it but if I really need to poke there its much faster wiht a terminal anyway | 14:39 |
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| tigert | nautilus is really nice for my files though | 14:39 |
| tigert | I wonder how many times I have used it to view stuff outside my /home | 14:40 |
| tigert | not many | 14:40 |
| * Gadgetoid_mbp always uses terminal to view files outside of N900 sanctioned folders | 14:40 | |
| Corsac | maybe because there is no other way :) | 14:40 |
| * Khertan hate this Dialog hiding extensions ! | 14:40 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Midnight Commander? | 14:40 |
| Corsac | hey Khertan | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | tigert: that's clearly a "that's no bug thats a feature" kind of justification. What makes you think a statement like "it's been clerly decided that user does XY" is any correct and not a evil attitude | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | tigert, /media/usbflashdisk is outside your /home ;) | 14:43 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: user testing? | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, so we had to define which reference user group you talk about | 14:44 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: also just looking at the responses here on the channel, your argument got about 4 or 5 counter-arguments | 14:45 |
| tigert | so it is telling me the decision could have been worse :) | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | IMO - showing users - normal ones - / is _insanity_ | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Or config files. | 14:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Those that care can install a FM of some sort. | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 125035 <jennyfast2> I downloaded a tar file to my "My Documents" directory. I'm currently in another directory, what do I type in root when locating the tar in the "My Documents" directory? | 14:45 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: thats why there is the terminal, so if you are interested / need to hack stuff, you can do it easily | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - sorry - misread scrollback | 14:46 |
| mikhas | "tar", "type", "root"? and you think that's a normal user? | 14:46 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: well, the .documents is a braindead relic that should die, yes | 14:46 |
| mgedmin | ++ | 14:46 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Sheesh, I'm a power user and had to lookup where the hidden docs directory was | 14:47 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Blatant dot abuse! | 14:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so now seems the time to leave that debate alone | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for me | 14:48 |
| mikhas | yeah, you lost =p | 14:48 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | ln -s /home/usr/sanedocumentsfolder /home/usr/MyDocs/.documents ? | 14:49 |
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| mikhas | (SCNR) | 14:49 |
| * Gadgetoid_mbp often gets his ln commands reversed | 14:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, tigert gimself and Gadgetoid_mbp made my point | 14:49 |
| tigert | DocScrutinizer51: that has nothing to do wiht exposing the root fs though | 14:50 |
| mgedmin | Gadgetoid_mbp, what helped me is I started thinking about "cp source dest", combined with "ln -s is like cp, only it doesn't really copy, it makes a reference" | 14:50 |
| tigert | its just a relic that is causing gray hair also when you mount the stuff via usb storage | 14:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | mgedmin: ah, so I'm not alone! | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | me too. (ln) | 14:50 |
| tigert | how the heck do you know to put music on your $MEMORYCARD/.sounds ? | 14:50 |
| mgedmin | yeah | 14:51 |
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| mgedmin | there's a bunch of metadata for MacOS X/Win32 | 14:51 |
| tigert | yeah | 14:51 |
| Corsac | a good way to remember the order is to remember the second arg is optional | 14:51 |
| Corsac | and it'll link to the current folder | 14:51 |
| tigert | which is more gross hacks to fix the first | 14:51 |
| mgedmin | I wouldn't be suprised if you get to see "Audio files" or something if you plug it into Mac OS X | 14:51 |
| mgedmin | for linux you have to be a power user :)( | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Gadgetoid_mbp: you can have only one destination but several links to that dest. so dest is first arg | 14:52 |
| tigert | it does that so that those folder names can be translated I think | 14:52 |
| mgedmin | that was nicely ambiguous, but I meant :( | 14:52 |
| tigert | but the way it is done causes a lot of issues like this | 14:52 |
| tigert | I hope it gets fixed in harmattan :P | 14:52 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer51, Corsac - I seeee! (but will forget) | 14:52 |
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| wazd | hello maemo | 14:55 |
| wazd | again :) | 14:55 |
| Corsac | hey wazd | 14:55 |
| AndrewBlack | Morngin | 14:56 |
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| * Gadgetoid_mbp sees Movies and Music folders that he's sure don't actually exist | 14:56 | |
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| mgedmin | woohoo, conboy, rm /usr/share/applications/hildon/conboy.desktop in a .postrm, how nice | 14:57 |
| mgedmin | thankfully it's been commented out in the latest deb | 14:57 |
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| Corsac | yurk | 14:57 |
| mgedmin | I can't say I like the games it's playing with sed on /usr/share/applications/uri-action-defaults.list in its postinst/postrm | 14:58 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Wouldn't it have made sense to have had /home/usr/Music or /home/usr/DAS MUSIC as real folders, with, if it really matters, a from /home/usr/.duuuuh/.music back to the translated folder name? | 14:58 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Or, just Apps that can find content by metadata no matter where dumdum user puts it | 14:58 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | s/a from/a link from | 14:59 |
| mgedmin | actually, Gadgetoid_mbp, that's exactly what the Media Player and Photos apps do on the n900 | 14:59 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't matter where you put your music, movies or images | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | sometimes it doesn't work as well as you'd like ("save web page as", and all embedded images next to the html end up being shown among your photos) | 15:01 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Ode to the pointlessness of .documents. Thou start with a dot, but hidden you're not. You contain all my files. But I can't find you. My downloads are lost. To my command line. WOE IS ME! | 15:01 |
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| KMFDM | lol @ Ode to the pointlessness of .documents. | 15:03 |
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| tigert | Gadgetoid_mbp: that I can agree with :) | 15:04 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Are we missing an MC port to the N900? | 15:05 |
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| tigert | no, MC is in extras-devel at least | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | btw from roundabout 20 years of customer support I can tell users that don't care about the filesysem also don't care if there's written 'My Documents' or '~/documents' or even 'foobar' in any filerequester dialog. Those users tend to have *papers* where they write down each single keystroke to get a task done | 15:07 |
| tigert | there are those people, but a lot of people between that and us | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't understand those people. | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | But you have to work with them. | 15:07 |
| tigert | those people dont buy N900s either I guess | 15:07 |
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| KMFDM | since i ran the firmware update my preproduction phone has developed all kinds of small issues, but it might be related to not also flashing the eMMC | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | all you *_mbp guys probably like the "go to" function of your finder, enabling you to have a look to arbitrary locations like /etc | 15:12 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: Agreed | 15:13 |
| andre__ | jeremiah_: can you please remove maemo recorder from extras-testing/extras-devel, as it's been superseded by Recorder? i see enough people still installing the older version | 15:13 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: But not so much as having the filepath permanently visible, ala Windoze | 15:13 |
| mgedmin | KMFDM, what kinds of small issues? | 15:14 |
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| KMFDM | well this morning's latest is that my email doesn't update according to the set interval | 15:14 |
| KMFDM | sometimes when I've set offline mode for conversations the phone randomly sets itself online while im asleep | 15:14 |
| KMFDM | last night when I went to the theatre my phone responded to the anti-gsm signal by jumping from offline mode to online | 15:15 |
| mgedmin | whoa | 15:15 |
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| tigert | KMFDM: sounds like a bug for bugzilla.maemo.org | 15:16 |
| tigert | please report | 15:16 |
| mgedmin | mine decided last night that it wasn't feeling hungry and refused to charge | 15:16 |
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| mgedmin | I found it dead this morning, still plugged into the charger | 15:16 |
| tigert | but yeah | 15:16 |
| KMFDM | mgedmin, mine does that too if you plug it in when turning it off | 15:16 |
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| tigert | flashing emmc us a good idea if weird shit happens | 15:16 |
| Termana | Since when have theatres used anything to stop GSM signals? | 15:16 |
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| KMFDM | plugging it in while it is starting up or shutting down | 15:16 |
| tigert | s/us/is | 15:16 |
| mgedmin | well, to be more precise, it woke me up with the alarm, and then asked me if I wanted to turn the device on, and started charging | 15:16 |
| tigert | s/us/is/ even | 15:16 |
| KMFDM | Termana, here they send out a signal that makes everyone's phone ring | 15:17 |
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| KMFDM | if it is still on | 15:17 |
| Termana | I didn't even know you could do that :P | 15:17 |
| mgedmin | KMFDM, cool | 15:17 |
| mgedmin | how on Earth does that work? | 15:17 |
| KMFDM | after that they block it | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | Who is the first to call bullshit on that? :) | 15:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: but as the default file manager in the N900 sucks and isn't nearly high density enough, I'd sooner replace it with one that has root fs access and more features besides | 15:18 |
| gtessier00 | yayyyyyyyyy N900 in transit to my home :D | 15:18 |
| cosmo_ | bs, never heard that it would be possible | 15:18 |
| Termana | I call it for the sake of shit | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | could technically be possible if they manage to transfer te phones to a picocell or something :P | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | Frequency jammer, sure. | 15:18 |
| cosmo_ | i want my dealextreme phone-ringer device if it is possible | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | (not sure.) | 15:19 |
| Termana | lol cosmo :P | 15:19 |
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| X-Fade | andre__: Ask the developer to vote it down. Then it will be removed from the queue at least. | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | andre__: Ah, he asked for it to be removed. I'll kill it then. | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Gadgetoid: I'm less concerned about osso-fm (I use mc for that). But petrovich prooves all other apps are doing the same shit probably by using a standard lib. That has potential to become a *real* PITA | 15:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 waits for mc being 'hildonized' wrt that bluepill mode | 15:21 | |
| andre__ | X-Fade: problem also is that "maemo-recorder" is shown before "Recorder" in the App Manager, I think. so people install the older one | 15:21 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: Ahh, I see what you mean | 15:22 |
| * mgedmin waits for /bin/ls to be hildonized | 15:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. prolly going to get a iPhone then | 15:22 |
| mgedmin | bingo! | 15:23 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Me likey iPhone, it works... | 15:23 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | I get my iPhone back today, girlfriend has landed herself a 3Gs upgrade | 15:23 |
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| oldtang | hello | 15:34 |
| oldtang | maemo exmaples | 15:34 |
| oldtang | i can't run | 15:34 |
| oldtang | any one help? | 15:34 |
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| wazd | lol, VLC player for win now have santa hat on the cone :) | 15:35 |
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| thresh | yep | 15:38 |
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| thresh | imagine that we had people complaining about it | 15:39 |
| thresh | and still have | 15:39 |
| thresh | they somehow thought that santa hat is a religious symbol. and we are endorsing our religious views on them. | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: I wonder if a bindmount loop (to ../..) will send some processes on a long journey without return | 15:39 |
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| lardman | morning | 15:43 |
| pH5 | hej lardman | 15:43 |
| oldtang | hi | 15:43 |
| lardman | hi pH5, oldtang | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: re gl .. maybe if we try to map in the omap frambuffers like was done in 2.6.18 we might be able to get it working and then rendering to our own buffers | 15:44 |
| oldtang | nice to meet u :-) | 15:44 |
| * lardman just reading about Fennec-final soon to be released for the N900 | 15:44 | |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: has there been any further comms? | 15:44 |
| flux | is it optified?-) | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: we're talking a bit forth and back | 15:45 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, do bind-mounts appear under the bind-mount? 8,m guessing not.. | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | flux, there's mount --bind and mount --rbind | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: I'm somewh5 reluctant to test right away. But I guess they do | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | the answer to your question is different depending on which one you used | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: ooh. interesting point | 15:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wants mandb package for maemo5 | 15:49 | |
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| oldtang | is there anyone know how to run maemo 5 examples? | 15:51 |
| oldtang | I run many times but failed | 15:51 |
| lardman | run or build? | 15:54 |
| andre__ | X-Fade, jeremiah_: know anything about freeciv-data having been removed from extras-testing with a broken dep list? | 15:55 |
| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7220 | 15:55 |
| povbot | Bug 7220: Application Manager completely breaks when extras-testing is enabled | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | andre__: Yes, I did this morning on request of the uploader. | 15:56 |
| andre__ | X-Fade, Hmm. Now I wonder if it's a bug in App Manager that should be fixed, or whether to close that report :-/ | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | andre__: I'll comment and close. | 15:57 |
| andre__ | thanks | 15:57 |
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| X-Fade | andre__: It was basically repository index corruption because of broken package. | 15:57 |
| andre__ | ah, okay | 15:57 |
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| bigbrovar | Hi guys any one enlighten me on why the webrowser always times out anytime i add export http_proxy=myproxy:portnumber to /etc/profile . ? every other internet aware application works fine except the browser | 15:59 |
| red | you are using a proxy? | 16:00 |
| bigbrovar | could it be a bug or design because I dont get such behaviour from firefox ( or any gecko based browser) on my linux desktop | 16:00 |
| red | have you checked the browsers settings | 16:00 |
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| bigbrovar | red: yeah I am. I have checked the settings in pref.js .. and it uses the systemwide proxy in my wireless profile | 16:00 |
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| red | odd | 16:01 |
| Shadikka | Hmm | 16:01 |
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| Shadikka | check http://xio.com/maemo/browser-proxy.txt ? | 16:02 |
| red | wonder when modern browsers include syntax hilighting from a dropdown menu | 16:03 |
| bigbrovar | red: I had to add export http_proxy to /etc/profile because it is the only way to get internet awared applications like gpodder mauku and OMweather to work with my proxy settings in school. since they dont respect the systemwide proxy which is in my wireless profile | 16:03 |
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| oldtang | hi lardman | 16:05 |
| oldtang | it is build | 16:05 |
| bigbrovar | Shadikka: checking it out | 16:06 |
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| lardman | oldtang: what is the build error then? | 16:07 |
| bigbrovar | Shadikka: do you think it would work with microB? Seems the code if for tear? | 16:07 |
| oldtang | one minute, i will copy it, did you build and run successfully? | 16:07 |
| lardman | no, just wondering | 16:07 |
| lardman | pastebin the output if it's long | 16:08 |
| Shadikka | bigbrovar: No idea, just googled it. *shrug* | 16:08 |
| Shadikka | Yeah, seems to work | 16:08 |
| Shadikka | search for "default_browser:" in the file | 16:08 |
| Shadikka | brb | 16:08 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is it possible to use a us altgr-intl keyboard mapping? | 16:10 |
| oldtang | ha, it seems now no errors, very strange | 16:10 |
| oldtang | maybe just because i reboot my vmware maemo sdk env? | 16:11 |
| lardman | :) | 16:11 |
| oldtang | thanks | 16:11 |
| lardman | my magic powers ;) | 16:11 |
| oldtang | did you setup a maemo 5 develop env? | 16:11 |
| oldtang | I believe | 16:12 |
| lardman | yes, though it's on a Linux box | 16:12 |
| oldtang | i use a vmplayer linux image | 16:12 |
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| alsuren | I suspect I'm being stupid here but I can't work out how to paste into the terminal | 16:14 |
| oldtang | I can run maemo 5 examples, it is very fantastic | 16:14 |
| lardman | cool | 16:14 |
| lardman | alsuren: ctrl-v ? | 16:15 |
| red | im wondering if its possible to install maemo5 on a netbook that has touchscreen | 16:15 |
| lardman | Mer might be possible | 16:15 |
| Shadikka | I'd expect it to be possible, but tricky | 16:15 |
| Laiska | alsuren: at X Terminal? Tap the "X terminal" menu from the top of the screen | 16:15 |
| red | would be a nice playground for testing | 16:15 |
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| oldtang | middle mouse button maybe help | 16:17 |
| ronak | help | 16:18 |
| alsuren | Laiska: aaaah! it only appears when you have something selected/in clipboard | 16:18 |
| alsuren | Laiska: thanks | 16:18 |
| ronak | ? | 16:18 |
| Laiska | alsuren: np | 16:18 |
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| bigbrovar | Shadikka: seems the script u posted makes tear the default browser? | 16:19 |
| bigbrovar | am just trying to find out why microb times out when I export my proxy to /etc/profile if its a bug or design cus I dont have same problem on any linux I have used | 16:20 |
| bigbrovar | if there is a way i can ask the good the developers of microb or can i use the developers mailing list? | 16:21 |
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| X-Fade | Does anybody have a fremantle package ready to test on the new autobuilder hardware? :) | 16:23 |
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| X-Fade | There is always a queue and now I need to test it, there is nothing of course :D | 16:23 |
| mikhas | lol | 16:24 |
| * mgedmin can build dict | 16:24 | |
| flux | mgedmin, --rbind doesn't still look recursive for the same mount | 16:24 |
| flux | mgedmin, (just tried it) | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | flux, do you really want infinite-depth directory trees? | 16:24 |
| flux | mgedmin, of course not, but that was the original proposed problem with using --bind | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mgmthat's exactly what we don't want ;-P | 16:25 |
| mgedmin | ah, I assumed it was other binds that were the problem | 16:25 |
| mgedmin | eg pymaemo uses bind-mounts to overlay /usr/lib/python2.5 | 16:26 |
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| mgedmin | if you wanted to bind-mount / on /home/user/MyDocs/Root and then went to open Root/usr/lib/python2.5 | 16:27 |
| mgedmin | with mount --bind you'd see an empty dir; with --rbind you'd see the python packages | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | exactly what I thought about | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but he problem is /home/user/MyDocs/root/home/user/MyDocs/root/home/user/MyDocs/root | 16:30 |
| mgedmin | aah | 16:30 |
| mgedmin | "doesn't still look recursive for the same mount" means what, precisely? | 16:30 |
| mgedmin | because I think I interpreted it exactly the opposite way | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems it means we don't see tzat problem | 16:31 |
| mgedmin | and my experiments show that after mount --rbind / /tmp/root I can see /tmp/root/, but /tmp/root/tmp/root/ is empty | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fine then | 16:32 |
| mgedmin | oh, fun: I can't umount my /tmp/root/now | 16:32 |
| Milo- | what is the point of 'onedotzero' package? | 16:33 |
| Milo- | "interactive remote control" | 16:33 |
| lardman | interesting: http://maemoteam.wordpress.com/2009/12/22/a-small-presentpreview-from-the-developer-platform-team/ | 16:33 |
| Milo- | remote control for what? | 16:33 |
| mgedmin | "Warning: You are using an invalid section: user/tools!" | 16:34 |
| Shadikka | lardman: Now that was a good find | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | where debian/changelog says "Changed item Section from user/Commandline to user/tools for compatablity with Maemo packaging policy" | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | either the policy changed, or the previous maintainer was mistaken | 16:35 |
| Shadikka | 611 MB O_o | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: the latter | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: yeah, except i'm wondering what it contains | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | X-Fade, so, dictd is in the autobuilder queue | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | especially how it works under windows | 16:36 |
| lardman | I just saw it | 16:36 |
| lardman | might try installing it as I'm running Windows atm | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Sweet, checking. | 16:36 |
| lardman | mgedmin: Annoying those messages ;) | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | lardman: You should be able to use it with Qdesigner ;) | 16:37 |
| AndrewBlack | fiferboy, Ping | 16:38 |
| fiferboy | AndrewBlack: pong | 16:38 |
| mgedmin | andre__, how difficult is it to automatically add bugzilla components for every package name that's uploaded to extras-devel? | 16:38 |
| mgedmin | and is that a good idea? | 16:38 |
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| AndrewBlack | fiferboy, got a problem with maemo-org and reflect they don´t uninstall right leave part of he files that makes them still show up on theme list | 16:38 |
| Corsac | arg, wget won't pass the license agreement | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | woooohoo. madde | 16:39 |
| fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Does calling "hildon-theme-recache-all" fix it? | 16:39 |
| andre__ | mgedmin, with the current bugzilla it's complicated. plus I'm not really keen on doing this too automatically. Some package maintainers prefer their own bugtracking systems | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: building | 16:39 |
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| * mgedmin wonders what'd have happened if maemo.org had decided to use Launchpad | 16:40 | |
| andre__ | mgedmin, don't want to create bugzilla products that nobody looks at because the package maintainer does not know that it exists. plus frustration for reporters | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: I was thinking of adding a button for maintainers in the package interface. Which then created the product. | 16:40 |
| mgedmin | X-Fade++ | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | goodby scratchbox | 16:40 |
| AndrewBlack | fiferboy, nope | 16:40 |
| VDVsx | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=437567#post437567 :) | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | But we'll have to wait for the new bugzilla and it needs some discussion too ;) | 16:40 |
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| fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Ah, it probably leaves the /usr/share/themes/maemo-org folder | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | andre__, I'm trying to weigh "a ready-made list of issues for $RANDOM_NEW_MAEMO_CONTRIBUTORS to look at when they decide to work on a package" versus "a big depressing pile of untriaged bugs that nobody ever looked at" | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: 2 minute build and it is done. | 16:41 |
| superdump | hello everyone | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | X-Fade, it's not done until I can apt-get install it ;) | 16:41 |
| AndrewBlack | fiferboy, it doesn its clearning out /opt/themes folder but leaves all the files in /usr/share/themes | 16:41 |
| AndrewBlack | fiferboy, does leave I mean | 16:41 |
| superdump | i have an N900 and i'm having issues selecting applications from the applications menu | 16:41 |
| superdump | i just filed a bug about it | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: but you really need to fix the section. | 16:42 |
| fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Yeah, because that folder is created in postinst, not by the actual install itself | 16:42 |
| andre__ | mgedmin, that weigh is also my problem :) | 16:42 |
| superdump | i'm finding it to be quite a frustrating issue with regard to usability and one that should be quite fixable in software | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | X-Fade, tell me to what, please, and I'll do it | 16:42 |
| fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Should be easy to fix in the postrm script | 16:42 |
| superdump | i would appreciate if anyone having difficulty selecting applications have a quick look and lend support so that nokia/maemo developers take a look at it | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | the extra effort required to search for the category list in the wiki (omg, maemo.org is sooo slooow, don't wanna go there again) is ... | 16:42 |
| superdump | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7230 | 16:42 |
| povbot | Bug 7230: Selecting an application is intuitive but too difficult. Going back to the desktop is not intuitive but too easy. | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | I dunno what it is, but it's an additional cost | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: user/utilities ? | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | thanks | 16:43 |
| AndrewBlack | fiferboy, I guess thats why its happening on reflect as well can you do fix it and package it for me and Joopu sometime? | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | did the "CLI applications an HAM" thread have any conclusions? | 16:43 |
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| fiferboy | AndrewBlack: Sure thing | 16:43 |
| Milo- | anyone have any idea what 'onedotzero' is used for? | 16:43 |
| AndrewBlack | fiferboy, thanks | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Well you need to think about the audience. CLI is not really end user friendly. | 16:44 |
| joppu | Milo-: controolin art installations | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | so, no consensus? | 16:44 |
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| Milo- | art-installations? | 16:44 |
| Milo- | such as? | 16:44 |
| VDVsx | Milo-, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nid6Zjhks2s | 16:44 |
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| Milo- | I see | 16:45 |
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| VDVsx | mgedmin, I opened a brainstorm for that, but the result was not that good IMO :( | 16:46 |
| mgedmin | X-Fade, assuming there are alternative ways of publishing packages (dput, scp), I'd appreciate if https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ linked to those... oh, here it is, "autobuilder instructions" | 16:46 |
| mgedmin | thanks for reading my mind/using a time machine | 16:46 |
| VDVsx | mgedmin, perhaps we need a dictator decision | 16:46 |
| Corsac | hmhm I wonder what are the point of madde vs. scratchbox2 | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | sanity? | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: It won't be too long before we can finally switch to proper hardware. We're configuring it now. | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | , Corsac | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | X-Fade, didn't you mention on IRC some time ago that it's possible to upload packages via scp, without using gpg? | 16:47 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: sb2 is insane? :) | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Should solve the whole dput doesn't work issue. | 16:47 |
| Milo- | oh I realised something, N900 doesn't have infrared ? | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | I have a "dput is too damn hard" issue | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | Milo-, it has infrared | 16:47 |
| Shadikka | Milo-: Does | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: sb2 is saner than sb1. | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: sure, check 'Uploading to Extras' on the wiki. | 16:47 |
| Milo- | there is no way of turning it on from menus then? | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | X-Fade, can you add *that* link to the extras assistant's sidebar too? | 16:48 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: and free :/ | 16:48 |
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| mgedmin | heh, my browser remembers that I've visited http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras#scp in the past | 16:48 |
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| mgedmin | "/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/" is hard to remember if you don't type it often | 16:50 |
| fiferboy | AndrewBlack: reflect already has a prerm script that cleans up on removal | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | I wish I could specify default remote $PWD in my .ssh/config ... | 16:51 |
| fiferboy | AndrewBlack: I'll add one for maemo-org and send you the packages | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: 2 line shell script? :) | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | "scp *.tar.gz *.diff.gz *.dsc *.changes garage:fremantle/" would rule | 16:51 |
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| AndrewBlack | fiferboy, ok I must of still had the old reflect that i packaged it didn´t have the right one | 16:51 |
| thresh | why wouldnt you just make an alias? | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Milo-: what means "turn it on"? | 16:52 |
| thresh | or some sort of a script, true. | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Milo-: search repos for irreco for example | 16:53 |
| Milo- | DocScrutinizer51 found it already | 16:53 |
| flux | milo-, n900 only has an IR transmitter, for controlling for example tv | 16:53 |
| Milo- | all the old nokia phones I have had had a menu entry that just said 'turn on IR' | 16:53 |
| mgedmin | ah, no, I don't think you can do stuff like beam around VCARDs from a phone to N900 | 16:53 |
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| Milo- | I kind of should have used a comma between those two hads | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: somebody told me different. not sure | 16:53 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, well, waiting for proof :P | 16:54 |
| flux | ;-) | 16:54 |
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| mgedmin | you probably _could_ do that by installing obexftpd, making it listen on the irda port ... hm | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | not trivial | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: there is no irda port. | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | ah, okay, I know even less about IR hardware than I thought | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: obexpush I think | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | so, transmitter but no receiver? | 16:55 |
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| Milo- | though, 600 euro tv-remote sounds appealing | 16:56 |
| mgedmin | which means there's no chance to get an app that would record IR signals from remotes and then play them back :-( | 16:56 |
| mgedmin | I couldn't figure out the UI of irreco | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: is there no IR receiver? or simply no standard IrDA TX/RX chip? | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: No receiving, but it is just a lirc device. | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: So any remote on lirc's site will work. | 16:56 |
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| X-Fade | And you can record codes on a $2 lirc device yourself ;) | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | the remote I had was not on lirc's site | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: It is CIR, not irda. | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: you told that before. My question was basically "is there any IR-RX?" | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you already answered that I guess | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: If you are great at bga soldering, then yes ;) | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok. I might give it a try | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | heh | 16:59 |
| pupnik | check camera sensitivity to ir | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | ha ha "while a computer might be able to surf the internet solely via CIR" -- wikipedia on CIR | 16:59 |
| flux | pupnik, cool idea, but I doubt its frame rate is sufficient | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: too slow | 17:00 |
| pupnik | k | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | I remember balancing my Siemens S60 in front of my Thinkpad T23 so I could tether my phone's GPRS connection ... | 17:00 |
| flux | maybe it could be faster if it is possible to limit the scanning region? | 17:00 |
| fiferboy | AndrewBlack: I just made your theme remove reflect when uninstalling ;) | 17:00 |
| flux | but then you would need to aim it very accurately | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | I decided that my next phone & laptop will have to have builtin bluetooth | 17:00 |
| flux | mgedmin, I really doubt you can buy anything (new) that doesn't have.. | 17:00 |
| flux | mgedmin, however, bluetooth dongles are really small these days. try blueusb21 from a-link.. | 17:01 |
| Corsac | sure you can | 17:01 |
| flux | (for usb of course) | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | dongles are annoying, and so are cables | 17:01 |
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| flux | mgedmin, http://www.alave.cz/_imgs/a-link-bluetooth-2-1-edr-usb-adapter-blueusb21:50086:200:200 | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: actually it might be fast enough if you don't care bout 38KHz carrier | 17:01 |
| flux | mgedmin, you don't even need to take it off when you put the laptop to a bag | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | depends on the bag, the dongle and the laptop's firmware | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | IIRC I had a thinkpad that refused to suspend if you had a BT dongle plugged in | 17:02 |
| pupnik | nyquist sample frequency to catch a 3ms pulse would be 666 hz ;) | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | or maybe it was a PCMCIA modem | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | I definitely remember kernel bugs that made things break horribly on suspend with a BT dongle plugged in | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | my Asus EeePC 900 has no builtin BT, so I had to use a USB dongle | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: then there also is a ambient light sensor which has one chan sensitive to IR | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea how fat that one is | 17:03 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, it likely is | 17:03 |
| pupnik | was there a final verdict on whether host-mode will ever be doable on rx51? | 17:03 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, and it might even be possible to poll it at some reasonable frequency.. unless it is connected to some slow i2c bus, which it likely is :( | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/fat/fast | 17:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it is | 17:04 |
| cosmo_ | http://armdevices.net/2009/12/06/optima-op5-e-maemo-linux-mid-video-review/ | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: depending on them cams' chips you might get a sort of "barcode" which you might decode to get raw IR input | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | pupnik, I haven't heard anyone proclaim a verdict yet | 17:06 |
| flux | pupnik, my understanding is that it's not. unless someone builds special hardware that looks like a host to n900 and simulates host to other devices :) | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | nobody geeky enough has a n900 yet | 17:06 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, wouldn't you need some special optics to stretch the IR signal into a longer region? | 17:07 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, or were you thinking that the scanning wouldn't proceed? | 17:07 |
| woglinde | re | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: not if you place the TX led directly on the cam lens | 17:08 |
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| flux | docscrutinizer51, well, I just checked that it indeed can see IR | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | to some extent all chipcams can | 17:09 |
| pupnik | http://www.extron.com/company/article.aspx?id=ts062002 a nicely written overview of IR | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's simply no absolute filter for IR ;-P | 17:09 |
| pupnik | it would be badass if we could crank camera up to 600 fps at low res | 17:10 |
| thresh | yay 600 fps @ 3x2 | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: probably a 3.5mm headset plug with a photodiode soldered to mic and gn ring is the simplest solustion to the read-IR problem | 17:12 |
| ifreq | i vote for getting real life instead | 17:12 |
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| ifreq | honestly | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | small, cheap, and you can sample up to 48KHz at least | 17:13 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, sure, but it would need extra hardware :) | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes. 2 components | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a jack and a photodiode | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you probably can't tweak the scan area of a cam as suggested before | 17:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | these are basically long shift registers which you need to read out completely anyway | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Some cameras you can | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | that's not really true for many. | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | You can set regions of interest. | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | One camera even went up to - in single mode - 1MHz reads. | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Though that was an unusual one | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf!! | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | generally you won't get close to that - but it can go to >>60fps on many cameras | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | highspeed cam for 100k$ ? | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | where the bbox was 1*1 pixel | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | k. always learning :) | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=4&ved=0CBYQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgwest.gats-inc.com%2Fsofie%2Fsun_sensor%2Fstar_1000_5.pdf&ei=A-MwS-_4KYKJ4QbElciqCA&usg=AFQjCNEIYoSXS3yqbth66DSdtngIV9tbfA&sig2=nFLCIESm4B01_gWDIzhFHQ - I think. | 17:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | But that was IIRC 400 euro, when they were selling the sensor alone | 17:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm' the BGA soldering solution becomes more interesting ;-D | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | next up: USB over headphone plug | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tbh I *hate* IR recos as you always nned to point at the device you want to control | 17:21 |
| woglinde | wirless usb | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | bga soldering? | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | wusb has problems. | 17:21 |
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| red | mikä se onwhy do i see update available on gpodder, but it says conflicting packages? | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: we had that on FR already. Well almost | 17:21 |
| red | oops | 17:21 |
| Shadikka | red: Tappio. ;) | 17:21 |
| red | - mikä se on | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: interference on headphone plug? :P | 17:22 |
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| red | damn up aed up arrow :p | 17:22 |
| red | wtf | 17:22 |
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| red | irssi going apeshit | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: that too. shot your ears | 17:22 |
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| pupnik | i am seeing a lot of ubuntu. is the New Way to pull ubuntu debs for maemo or is debian still preferred? | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: search backscroll for BGA | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 17:24 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders rolling shutter hackery. | 17:25 | |
| pupnik | there are some consumer cameras offering high speed video now | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: that,s basically my "barcode alike" suggestion' no? | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | (set a rolling shutter to a 1 line window, expose the image, and you get height in pixels samples at whatever the line rate is. | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | iddn't see that | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: depending on them cams' chips you might get a sort of "barcode" which you might decode to get raw IR input | 17:27 |
| zash | what | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/flux/speedevil/ | 17:27 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: speedevil: depending on them cams' chips you might get a sort of "barcode" which you might decode to get raw IR input | 17:27 |
| zash | camera + ir? | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | okay, not fun: I made two dentist's appointments and entered them into my n900's calendar; now they're gone | 17:28 |
| lcuk | thats a good thing isnt it? "n900 keeping you from the torture chamber" | 17:29 |
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| thresh | dentists are gone? 'so long and thanks for all the teeth' | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | maybe I entered them into my old N900? | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: braggard | 17:30 |
| lcuk | lol mgedmin i have that at the moment, i need colored cases | 17:30 |
| mgedmin | I use different themes ;) | 17:30 |
| lcuk | or just a really good sync between the pair | 17:30 |
| lcuk | themes dont help when the screen is off | 17:30 |
| mgedmin | actually, working sync between the n900 and *anything else pleeeeease* | 17:31 |
| lcuk | i need to set my windows doofer back up | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | to take my photos into little dated albums | 17:31 |
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| mgedmin | EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | I just realized that the 640 MB figure banded about was for the MADDE sharball | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | wtf? | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | well, okay, scratchbox eats gigabytes of my disk space | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | but I'm not happy installing random proprietaryware from *-linux-686.sh files | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | even if it has unnamed GPL components inside | 17:47 |
| mikhas | just stick with sbox then? =p | 17:48 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: I kind-of agree | 17:48 |
| Corsac | though I didn't yet had a chance to look at it | 17:49 |
| mikhas | well, it seems I have to learn yet another set of commands to control MADDE | 17:49 |
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| mikhas | hm, is it ok to remove trackerd from the startup scripts on the device? | 17:51 |
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| mgedmin | mikhas, I wouldn't | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: adduser madde? | 17:53 |
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| mrweasel | hi everybody! today, out of the sudden my n810 (diablo) lost this circular animation next to "updating" in the popup notification (e.g. in the app-manager). It simply disappeared. Can somebody point me to the part of the system which is responsible for that animation please? | 17:59 |
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| lcuk | mrweasel, sounds like a bit of your theme, i wonder if changing it to something else and back again would do anything. but i dunno for certain | 18:00 |
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| valdyn | mgedmin: so use the .deb files directly | 18:03 |
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| valdyn | mgedmin: not like that makes a significant difference though | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | might be caused by reposerver sluggishness? | 18:04 |
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| mrweasel | lcuk: i'm using a standard theme (glasser). the problem occured after I installed canola2 today, which caused some kind of dependency hell... any idea which package provides the popup notifications? | 18:05 |
| clmntch | hello | 18:05 |
| lcuk | nope | 18:05 |
| timeless_mbp | data:text/html,<head><title>Empty</title><style>body:empty{background-color: green; border: 10px dashed orange; margin:10em;}</style></head> | 18:05 |
| timeless_mbp | oops | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 18:06 |
| thresh | what do i use if need fremantle packages to be rebuilt in a clean chroot regenerated each time when i want to build a package? and i need to make a 'repo' of resulting packages. | 18:06 |
| thresh | i only need armel, do not care for x86 target. | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | thresh: look into sbdmock | 18:07 |
| Corsac | thresh: maybe try pbuilder/cowbuilder? (not sure how they run inside sb) | 18:07 |
| valdyn | or "cp" | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | http://wiki.maemo.org/Building_packages_with_sbdmock | 18:08 |
| thresh | X-Fade: thanks, looks like it is what i need. | 18:08 |
| thresh | yep | 18:08 |
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| X-Fade | That will give you a clean env every time. That is what we use on the autobuilder too. | 18:08 |
| slonopotamus | is there some way to tell trackerd to ignore some dirs? | 18:08 |
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| thresh | X-Fade: yeah, that is exactly what i needed | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: There is supposed to be a config somewhere. | 18:09 |
| Milo- | one reason why people don't vote for applications that are in testing, is that the webserver sucks. | 18:09 |
| ali1234 | so very true | 18:09 |
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| mikhas | well, trackerd is a bit stupid if it assumes MyDocs changed only because I rebooted | 18:10 |
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| mgedmin | slonopotamus, share with us, if you find out | 18:10 |
| woglinde | hms | 18:10 |
| mikhas | it does that everytime now it seems | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | probably runs through all files, checks mtimes | 18:10 |
| mikhas | noticably slowing down the device | 18:10 |
| thresh | looks like i cant feed sdbmock my own hand-crafter apt.conf. solvable with --addrepo though. | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | still that could take a while if you've got a lot of files | 18:10 |
| mikhas | well, a global dirty flag would solve that | 18:11 |
| slonopotamus | x-fade, for now i'm just killing it. i setup a chroot and mess with lots of files with it, that causes trackerd to eat all cpu | 18:11 |
| thresh | hand-crafted. | 18:11 |
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| slonopotamus | s/with/it/ | 18:11 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: x-fade, for now i'm just killing it. i setup a chroot and mess it lots of files with it, that causes trackerd to eat all cpu | 18:11 |
| slonopotamus | argh | 18:11 |
| slonopotamus | *in it | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | ~/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 18:12 |
| mikhas | and ignore MyDocs? =p | 18:12 |
| slonopotamus | hey, s// replaced only first occurrence | 18:12 |
| Corsac | that's normal | 18:12 |
| Corsac | add a /g | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: Inserting my camera microsd card with 1000 12Megapixel images didn't do a lot of good for me either ;) | 18:12 |
| Corsac | s/a//g | 18:12 |
| infobot | Corsac meant: dd /g | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | interesting; it only watches .sounds, .documents, .videos, .images, .camera | 18:12 |
| slonopotamus | mgemin, my chroot is under /mnt | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | that doesn't match my experience :/ | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: same here | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: probably it has a codeline "plus / recursive" ? | 18:23 |
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| Corsac | recursive doesn't really make sense :) | 18:25 |
| jiajia | chating on the bus by irssi is the greatest thing | 18:25 |
| Corsac | but yeah it might have hardcoded paths | 18:25 |
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| thresh | say, i want to pack some multimedia libraries. I probably want them to be inside of /usr/lib on the device, right? | 18:40 |
| thresh | i only put those libraries users to /opt/ ? | 18:40 |
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| thresh | the reason i ask those libraries can be quite big, say, 5Mb or something similar. | 18:43 |
| zs | there are many opengl es tutorials on http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/sdk/KhronosOpenGLES2xSGX.asp but how can I access them? | 18:43 |
| ward- | is it or will it be possible to run other OSes on the N900? (no chroot) | 18:43 |
| pupnik_ | windows NT runs | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | ward-: yes | 18:44 |
| ward- | not native i presume | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | walks? | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | ward-: if they are linux based. | 18:44 |
| pupnik_ | ;) | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | ward-: windows nt supports arm | 18:44 |
| ward- | timeless, neat i didnt know that :D | 18:44 |
| * pupnik_ has run 5 OSes on N900 ;) | 18:44 | |
| ward- | Stskeeps, so i could just install debian on it for instance? | 18:45 |
| thresh | ah, maemo-optify seems to be what i'm looking for :) | 18:45 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, i used to have this PDA that could boot linux from windoze mobile with haret | 18:45 |
| ward- | and i really really really liked debian on it | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | ward-: right, but you might want to contribute to Mer instead | 18:45 |
| ward- | since i could choose all packages, even window managers, etc | 18:45 |
| zerojay | It's been almost a month since I told Nokia about my busted N900... and still, no real response. I'm starting to think that it's going to take a year for me to get this resolved... AGAIN. | 18:45 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, i'm new to maemo, i dunno what Mer is | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: yours is a loaner is it not? | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | ward-: | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | ~mer | 18:46 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 18:46 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: Yep. | 18:46 |
| ward- | lol now im confised | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: not sure there's much else to do than send it back | 18:46 |
| ward- | mer and maemo are both OSes if i understand correct | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:46 |
| ward- | so mer is the new maemo or something? | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | mer is community maemo, based on ubuntu | 18:47 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: I think that if I end up doing that, I might just not come back. | 18:47 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, so will it have tons of apps in the repository like debian? :D | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: well, if i break my loaner i'd send it back as the contract doesn't give me any warranty etc | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | ward-: yeah | 18:47 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, sounds fantastic | 18:47 |
| ward- | finally something that maybe could replace my broken PDA from 2003 | 18:47 |
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| zerojay | Stskeeps: Well, that's why I e-mailed them to find out what to do and... still, nothing. | 18:48 |
| ward- | i was looking at android first but that seems to offer NO advantages in running linux | 18:48 |
| ward- | other then a shell | 18:48 |
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| lcuk | zerojay, emailed who? | 18:48 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, is mer or debian allready installable/usable at the moment? | 18:48 |
| ward- | with X11 etc | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | ward-: on n900 port will be published in a couple of days. Go test our VMDKs | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: if it's pre-summit, prod tero or danielwilms when they're here | 18:49 |
| zerojay | lcuk: Quim, Daniel and Tero. | 18:49 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, ah nice man, i'm waiting with buying one anyway | 18:49 |
| ward- | hoping theywill go down in price a bit | 18:49 |
| ward- | after the holaays and all | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: but i sincerely doubt you'd get a replacement (my own personal belief) | 18:50 |
| ward- | any n900 owners here? | 18:50 |
| thresh | yes | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | ward-: maemo is pretty much usable as-is | 18:50 |
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| ward- | hows the thickness? | 18:50 |
| ward- | annoying or fairly ok? | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | ward-: If you are developing apps, you will not hit any of the 'non-free' parts typically. | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | fine | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | zerojay: worth poking them though and see what your possibilities are | 18:51 |
| ward- | SpeedEvil, yeah but i really would love all the progs that are in debian (or ubuntu) repos | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | And the basic system is actually usable | 18:51 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: I'm not interested in playing the year-long poking game with Quim for a second time. | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ward-: mer is likely to be less functional than maemo for some time | 18:51 |
| lcuk | ward-, slight incompatibilities make it a bit less practical without serious considerations | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ward-: in the normal aspects | 18:51 |
| ward- | SpeedEvil, ah yeah i know its allready working fine as a phone if thats what you mewant | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: i agree, but this is loaner devices and not DDP | 18:51 |
| ward- | with maemo | 18:51 |
| lcuk | those oses' apps are geared for desktop | 18:51 |
| lcuk | and look a bit different | 18:51 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: If they don't see the point in responding to me, I don't see the point in dealing with Maemo at all anymore. | 18:51 |
| ward- | i know :-) | 18:52 |
| SpeedEvil | ward-: I mean as a phone, and installing random applications from the repo - forex | 18:52 |
| ward- | used to run debian on my PDA so | 18:52 |
| ward- | also desktopprogs | 18:52 |
| ward- | SpeedEvil, aha, so the maemo repos are not very limited? | 18:52 |
| ward- | because in thids video review they spoke of "25 applications at the moment" | 18:52 |
| ward- | but i really want everything since i love to mess with linux and all kinds of things | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: e-mail is a horrible medium for stuff like that - no idea if the mail ever made it to them or if it got lost in piles, etc | 18:53 |
| ward- | i used to have the debian ARM repositories, for comparison's sake | 18:53 |
| lcuk | zerojay, *rolleyes* because 1 mail gets dropped, just ask again. theres 100000001 other things the guys are doing | 18:53 |
| ward- | i would lvoe something similar | 18:53 |
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| zerojay | lcuk: No, this is because of *FAR* more than one mail getting dropped. This is a constant issue. | 18:54 |
| ward- | zerojay, give them a call, there's probably some number you can call | 18:54 |
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| ward- | then you can actually explain your issue to someone | 18:54 |
| zerojay | lcuk: Believe me, I'm fully sensitive to the fact that they're busy with stuff... and they always are. | 18:54 |
| ward- | i used to work at a callcenter doing support for a ISP | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ward-: yes, they are limited at the moment. | 18:54 |
| ward- | and mails DO get lost frequently | 18:54 |
| zerojay | ward-: They got the e-mail. | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ward-: at the moment, you also may be able to fairly easily install a debian or whatever chroot inside the device, while still running maemo. | 18:55 |
| zerojay | It feels like the only way I ever get a response to anything from them is if I poke them repeatedly for months at a time... but yet they have all the time in the world to debate useless shit on TMO. | 18:56 |
| ward- | SpeedEvil, i would love natively, since with chroot its X11 over SSH or VNC right? | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ward-: no - you could have it displaying on the local display | 18:56 |
| ward- | aha | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | and you generally don't care about x11 over tcp | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | rather than local socket | 18:56 |
| ward- | SpeedEvil, so then its exactly like a native OS right? in terms of speed | 18:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | video will be poorer - but then you will need to work out how to get the socket into the chroot too | 18:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | then it should be as fast | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | But that isn't an issue for anything but games IMO | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: either way, loan agreement should help a bit in deciding what can be done :/ | 18:58 |
| * Stskeeps should check when his expires | 18:58 | |
| ward- | SpeedEvil, but regular X11 apps should run at the same speed? | 18:58 |
| ward- | lets say wireshark | 18:58 |
| ward- | as an example | 18:58 |
| * RST38h moos evilly | 18:58 | |
| ward- | lol can you LOAN a device from nokia if you develop? :s | 18:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | ward-: yes | 18:59 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: Well, I'm not so much worried about whether or not they can send me a replacement. I fully understand not being able to send out $600 devices when you're in the middle of full sales swing. I'm not asking for anything more than a quick "yeah, send it in" or something. | 18:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | ward-: tcpdump I just run on the console | 19:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | s/console/xterm/ | 19:00 |
| infobot | SpeedEvil meant: ward-: tcpdump I just run on the xterm | 19:00 |
| ward- | SpeedEvil, yeah it was jsut an example | 19:00 |
| ward- | anything using x11 | 19:01 |
| mrweasel | lcuk: ok, solved it. as always a "gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor" did the trick. i've had this problem about a year ago and solved it the same way, NOW i remember. I think I'll write it down somewhere.. thanks anyways :) | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: well, even if i think that is obvious (people have returned devices before), i'd catch danielwilms or tekojo when they're on IRC. even though i'm not sure they'll be on tomorrow 23th | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Forex ran firefox from my laptop displaying on the n900 - with no noticable slowdown - over wlan. | 19:01 |
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| ward- | SpeedEvil, the bot makes me thing theres no actual console without x11? | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 19:02 |
| ward- | SpeedEvil, "<infobot> SpeedEvil meant: ward-: tcpdump I just run on the xterm" | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ward-: ah - no - not usually | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ward-: there is no console on framebuffer or similar functionality | 19:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | by default | 19:02 |
| ward- | by default :D | 19:02 |
| ward- | sounds good to me lol | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | In short. Mer - in the short term - is not going to give you a device as functional as maemo. | 19:03 |
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| ward- | but it will enable me to run all the desktop apps in the default debian/ubuntu repos? | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | In the medium term - 3-6 mo? It may work quite adequately, but before then it may be interesting for some user/hackers. | 19:04 |
| ward- | well anything compiled for the arch | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: but based on loan agreement it just states that by X date it has to be delivered back .. so it would be natural to just send it back before that | 19:04 |
| Corsac | about speed, debian arm is for armv4 so it won't be as speedy as stuff built for armv7t | 19:05 |
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| ward- | SpeedEvil, it would be to mess, just liek i messed with my PDA running linux | 19:05 |
| ward- | (a pocket loox 720 btw) | 19:05 |
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| ward- | mer seems to support the looxes | 19:05 |
| ward- | lol | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | ward-: funny fact, mer ran on a loox 720 | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't that easily anymore but.. | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:06 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, lol yeah i noticed | 19:06 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, the loox 720 is still fantastic | 19:06 |
| ward- | a 2003 device that can measure with 2009 hardware :d | 19:06 |
| ward- | but my screen broke :( | 19:06 |
| ward- | the fantastic vga screen :( | 19:06 |
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| RST38h | ward: That is Tentacled One hinting that you have to get new hardware | 19:07 |
| ward- | RST38h, no it broke because i hit it with somethgin accidentally | 19:07 |
| ward- | i didnt even know how it happened | 19:08 |
| RST38h | Ahahahahaha | 19:08 |
| ward- | i was cleaning up my desktop | 19:08 |
| RST38h | ward: That is how Tentacled One works | 19:08 |
| ward- | and afterwards it was broke | 19:08 |
| * RST38h was laughing about a different thing though | 19:08 | |
| ward- | it was lying screen up on the desktop | 19:08 |
| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/22/new-bada-ui-screens-look-new-agey-yet-familiar/ <=== see anything familiar? | 19:08 |
| * VDVsx yawns | 19:08 | |
| RST38h | heya VDVsx | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: is that a nintendo controller | 19:09 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, without seeing the links, canola style ? :P | 19:09 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Now, some Maemo5, some iPhone, some HTC | 19:09 |
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| RST38h | In other words, it is a Samsung :) | 19:09 |
| VDVsx | ehhe | 19:09 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, so Mer is good enough to install desktop apps from the repo etc, atm? | 19:10 |
| VDVsx | a new UI toolkit | 19:10 |
| moo-_- | RST38h: have you checked Bada C++ code? | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | ward-: mostly | 19:10 |
| moo-_- | RST38h: it is like a bad copy of Symbian userland | 19:10 |
| * RST38h wonders if Koreans can invent anything on their own. Anything at all | 19:10 | |
| RST38h | moo: Oh. | 19:10 |
| moo-_- | like | 19:10 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, do you have some examples maybe? | 19:10 |
| RST38h | moo: Maybe I should not look there. | 19:10 |
| moo-_- | they didn't even learn....? | 19:10 |
| ward- | sorry for the question-rain | 19:10 |
| moo-_- | >_< | 19:10 |
| moo-_- | RST38h: custom exception handling etc. | 19:10 |
| * RST38h does remember one original Korean product: Ssang Young cars | 19:11 | |
| RST38h | Oh, wait...I probably shouldn't have mentioned that... | 19:11 |
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| RST38h | moo: So, what was wrong about using Linux userland and libs? | 19:11 |
| RST38h | moo: They hired Rasterman, didn't they? | 19:11 |
| VDVsx | moo-_-, its online somewhere ? just for curiosity | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: bada has nothing to deal with raster | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | he considers it a joke :P | 19:11 |
| moo-_- | http://www.bada.com/samsung-unveils-new-smartphone-platform/ | 19:12 |
| moo-_- | poke there long enough | 19:12 |
| AndrewBlack | fiferboy, does it remove mine to or just reflect lol | 19:12 |
| moo-_- | try to navigate through all marketing bullshit | 19:12 |
| moo-_- | there is little to find | 19:12 |
| moo-_- | but it is ugly when you find it | 19:12 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, they're using EFL at least | 19:12 |
| VDVsx | dunno if in bada | 19:12 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, do you have some examples maybe? of apps you are using from the repo | 19:12 |
| moo-_- | VDVsx: bada is only about userland | 19:12 |
| moo-_- | it "does not care " what OS it runs | 19:12 |
| ward- | and maybe apps that dont work good | 19:12 |
| moo-_- | but honestly I believe Samsung doesn't know even itself what OS its phones run | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: in bada? don't think so :P | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | ward-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSJ82NywcJE | 19:14 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, see my second sentence :) | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:14 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, thanx | 19:14 |
| moo-_- | http://developer.bada.com/apis/docs/commonpage.do?menu=MC01010300 | 19:15 |
| ward- | Stskeeps, reminds me of matchbox | 19:15 |
| ward- | coincidance or? | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | ward-: old diablo ui | 19:15 |
| ward- | based on matchbox? | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:16 |
| ward- | nice | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | but the new one is closer to n900 ui | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw7KO9z0-kg bad ui problems, but they're more or less fixed now | 19:16 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, I heard that other EFL devs went to Korea a couple of weeks ago, but don't know nothing about the product that they are working on :p | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: duke nukem forever | 19:16 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, maybe | 19:17 |
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| RST38h | Oh my god they are really copying Symbian... | 19:18 |
| RST38h | why oh why> | 19:18 |
| VDVsx | at least Bada has a more attractive website than Maemo, sigh | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | insanity | 19:18 |
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| RST38h | Ok, I have seen enough. This monstrosity isn't going anywhere. | 19:19 |
| RST38h | It is another korean "me too" thing, shoddily constructed from thigns they have seen other people do. | 19:19 |
| VDVsx | lol | 19:20 |
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| RST38h | "Angels, depicted by European painters, were physically unable to fly." | 19:22 |
| RST38h | Deep. | 19:22 |
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| * pupnik_ drops a neutron bomb on automake | 19:23 | |
| RST38h | pupnik: please, add a few more, it is tough | 19:23 |
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| RST38h | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/6860351/Angels-cant-fly-scientist-says.html (British scientists, who else?) | 19:23 |
| jaska | imaginary entities dont actually do anything so yeah | 19:24 |
| RST38h | they don't? | 19:24 |
| * RST38h suggests that angels have jet engines in their anus, something generations of European painters overlooked | 19:26 | |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: only the non-persecuted painters. | 19:26 |
| VDVsx | zerojay, what happened to your N900 ? | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: The vatican forbidden library has all the pictures that were confiscated for depicting this. | 19:26 |
| RST38h | Speed: Of course, the ones who had enough guts to show the truth ended up instituionalized | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Goatse is really a recreation of a 14th century depiction of an angel about to take flight. | 19:27 |
| RST38h | Vatican Hides The Truth! Episode 746. At 11:00 | 19:27 |
| RST38h | Speed: Or giving birth. | 19:27 |
| thresh | or something else nasty | 19:27 |
| ward- | someone said windows nt runs on the n900 but i can only find a movie of that where they use bochs | 19:28 |
| ward- | it was supposed to run natively | 19:28 |
| RST38h | BTW, the British scientists (tm) have also considered the problem of fairies | 19:28 |
| till- | windows nt on arm? | 19:29 |
| RST38h | I do not believe fairies can be explained with jet engines: they are simply not going to be able to store enough propellant | 19:29 |
| ward- | till-, yeah he said that | 19:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | that someone was on crack. | 19:29 |
| ward- | pupnik_, and timeless_mbp lol | 19:30 |
| ward- | timeless_mbp explicitely said windows nt suypports arm | 19:30 |
| ward- | anyway doesnt mather :) | 19:30 |
| mikhas | try win 3.11 | 19:30 |
| VDVsx | windows nt runs on the N900 :D | 19:31 |
| VDVsx | there's videos somewhere | 19:31 |
| mikhas | yeah, I've seen it on the internet, it must be true =p | 19:31 |
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| VDVsx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_kEdkDWOWc | 19:32 |
| VDVsx | 3.11 | 19:32 |
| VDVsx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUA78P7gGCQ | 19:32 |
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| VDVsx | NT | 19:32 |
| VDVsx | first google result, just for the records ;) | 19:32 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is there a way to arrange/align items on the home desktop? | 19:34 |
| pupnik_ | -rw-rw-r-- 1 maemo maemo 167435 Dec 22 18:11 Makefile.orig | 19:35 |
| pupnik_ | -rw-rw-r-- 1 maemo maemo 17498 Dec 22 18:33 Makefile | 19:35 |
| Corsac | (automagically I mean, not by hand) | 19:35 |
| pupnik_ | :F | 19:35 |
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| ward- | VDVsx, ... bochs like i said | 19:39 |
| ward- | thats the exact video i saw even | 19:40 |
| ward- | bochs is a x86 emulator | 19:40 |
| ward- | so not really impressive | 19:40 |
| ward- | lol | 19:40 |
| ward- | the PSP can even run windows like that | 19:40 |
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| VDVsx | ward-, ah, ok, but who cares about that window sh** ? :D | 19:40 |
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| VDVsx | you've a full linux box | 19:41 |
| ward- | VDVsx, nobody but i was just impressed that it was possible | 19:41 |
| ward- | but then found out it was bochs | 19:41 |
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| ward- | all i care about it debian and its huge repository :p | 19:41 |
| ward- | well not all lol | 19:41 |
| ward- | and use it as a phone obviously | 19:42 |
| VDVsx | ward-, well, should be possible, but I doubt that the work involved will have some kind of reward | 19:42 |
| ward- | yes i found out here that its indeed possible | 19:42 |
| ward- | and the reward is using allmost any application you want | 19:43 |
| ward- | just like on my old PDA | 19:43 |
| VDVsx | ward-, so a arm port actually exist ? | 19:43 |
| ward- | if i never had that thing i wouldnt care or think it was possible | 19:43 |
| ward- | a debian ARM port? | 19:43 |
| ward- | of course | 19:43 |
| VDVsx | ward-, no | 19:43 |
| VDVsx | win :P | 19:43 |
| ward- | nope | 19:43 |
| ward- | someone here said it existed | 19:44 |
| ward- | but it doesnt | 19:44 |
| Ceron | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/22/epic-shows-off-unreal-engine-3-running-on-iphone-ipod-touch/ | 19:44 |
| ward- | wtf | 19:44 |
| Ceron | when will i get ut3 on my maemo phone | 19:44 |
| Ceron | !!!!!!! | 19:44 |
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| ward- | thats not the real unreal 3 engine as far as i can see from the screenshot | 19:44 |
| ward- | its altered | 19:44 |
| ward- | looking very cool nevertheless | 19:45 |
| Ceron | its real ut3 engine | 19:45 |
| Ceron | it is... | 19:45 |
| ward- | it certainly doesnt look to be the rel ut3 engine lol | 19:46 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, seems that you need to scarify more virgins in order to get your emus promoted to extras :D | 19:53 |
| VDVsx | fmsx is with 9 votes for a long long time :( | 19:54 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: add one =) | 19:54 |
| RST38h | Speccy finally made it | 19:54 |
| RST38h | After talking to XFade though | 19:54 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, already voted | 19:54 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: Need to find a virgin and make her vote! | 19:54 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 19:54 |
| wazd | ther UE3 looks like Q3 :) | 19:57 |
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| RST38h | Oh, finally, a scratchboxless build environment | 19:58 |
| Naruto_sec | hi | 19:58 |
| Naruto_sec | anyone have the n900? | 19:59 |
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| BabelO | Naruto_sec: yes, some people there | 19:59 |
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| Naruto_sec | cool | 20:00 |
| Naruto_sec | who has it coz i have some questions | 20:01 |
| VDVsx | just ask | 20:01 |
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| fiferboy | AndrewBlack: The one I sent you is fixed :) | 20:09 |
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| wazd | RST38h: what do you think bout Q3 engine idea? :) | 20:10 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone tried MADDE yet? | 20:31 |
| Naruto_sec | whats that | 20:32 |
| jebba | Jaffa: only installed it, havent fired it up yet | 20:32 |
| jebba | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=437805 madde | 20:32 |
| melmoth | Grumble | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: downloading as i'm a bit curious | 20:32 |
| melmoth | anybody involved with navit ? I cannot compile the svn version, nor on the sdk, nor on a rhel5 box | 20:32 |
| melmoth | things fail rather soon, at the autogen step... | 20:33 |
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| Stskeeps | i kinda like the extraction going 9..8..7..6.. | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:34 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: sounds intriguing, I doubt I'll have time for a play tonight | 20:35 |
| Jaffa | maybe tomorrow at work, if it runs on Windows ;) | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | that is the interesting part for me | 20:35 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, it should work on windows. That was tested ;) | 20:39 |
| X-Fade | Now you can basically use your own IDE and use madde as compiler. | 20:40 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: exciting. | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: it's primarily for qt stuff though, right? | 20:40 |
| X-Fade | I guess it is one of the steps for the universal qt everywhere yes ;) | 20:41 |
| * Stskeeps thinks this is rather cleverly done | 20:41 | |
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| Jaffa | looks good from the docs | 20:43 |
| Jaffa | Eclipse plugin should be trivial | 20:43 |
| thresh | Say, i want to upload a package to extras | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | 'fuse_me_harder () | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | ' | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 20:43 |
| thresh | Is there some sort of ACL so no one except me can upload newer versions? | 20:43 |
| Jaffa | Remote debugging and x11vnc tidy ups must be on roadmap | 20:43 |
| simula | x-fade, do you work on madde? | 20:44 |
| X-Fade | simula: No. Can't do everything ;) | 20:44 |
| simula | heh | 20:44 |
| X-Fade | thresh: That is still on my todo. | 20:44 |
| simula | oh awesome | 20:44 |
| simula | "The MADDE tool chain was announced at the Maemo summit, which is what we’re going to support in Creator once the Maemo guys release it." | 20:44 |
| thresh | X-Fade: so now everyone can upload some broken stuff? hmmmmmmm | 20:45 |
| simula | i was so wishing something like that would happen, that made my day :) | 20:45 |
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| X-Fade | thresh: Everyone with an account yes. But we can trace who did what of course. | 20:45 |
| thresh | sure | 20:45 |
| thresh | still leaves the room for "incompatible" changes though | 20:46 |
| X-Fade | thresh: And uploading other people's packages is very bad form, it is frowned upon. | 20:46 |
| thresh | the ones we keep having with debian-multimedia... | 20:46 |
| thresh | thanks for making it clear. | 20:47 |
| RST38h | Who is the Creator? | 20:47 |
| X-Fade | thresh: But that won't be for long as it something that is reasonably easy to implement. | 20:47 |
| luke-jr_ | RST38h: YHWH, but I suspect simula's quote refers to the application Qt Creator | 20:48 |
| RST38h | ah | 20:48 |
| luke-jr_ | :p | 20:48 |
| simula | true :) | 20:48 |
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| * jebba requests mirrors of repo | 20:49 | |
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| RST38h | "Microsoft loses patent appeal; Word and Office to be barred from sale starting January 11" | 20:51 |
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| luke-jr_ | awesome | 20:52 |
| thresh | X-Fade: nice. | 20:52 |
| luke-jr_ | RST38h: got a link? | 20:52 |
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| Corsac | uh | 20:55 |
| Corsac | extras-devel got removed of my sources | 20:55 |
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| * mgedmin wants to send a calendar event via Bluetooth | 20:57 | |
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| tigert | hmm | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | or at least export to an ical file | 20:57 |
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| tigert | has anyone tried lsyncd on maemo? | 20:57 |
| tigert | http://code.google.com/p/lsyncd/ | 20:57 |
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| tigert | this would be pretty sweet | 20:57 |
| tigert | for your-files-on-the-go | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | hm | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | looks like an open-source version of dropbox/ubuntu one | 20:58 |
| tigert | uses rsync | 20:58 |
| tigert | yeah | 20:58 |
| tigert | exactly | 20:58 |
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| tigert | dropbox rocks in use | 20:58 |
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| tigert | using it on maemo with sshfs via my shell | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | whoa | 20:59 |
| * mgedmin has ubuntu one, but so far hasn't figured out a use case for it | 20:59 | |
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| mgedmin | mostly because I just don't *trust* sync | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | gimme a VCS, then I know I understand how conflict resolution works | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | also, I would like to register a complaint | 21:00 |
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| mgedmin | the hildon date chooser widget is inconvenient | 21:00 |
| RXrenesis8 | @ luke-jr_ - http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&um=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Microsoft+loses+patent+appeal | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | it gives me no clue about weekdays | 21:00 |
| sivang_ | RST38h: I googled for what you mentioined, look what I've found - http://www.joystiq.com/2009/12/21/microsoft-files-patent-for-user-health-generated-avatars/ | 21:01 |
| * sivang_ huh's | 21:01 | |
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| zash | sivang: hahahwat? | 21:01 |
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| sivang | zash: ? | 21:01 |
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| zash | sivang: the link | 21:02 |
| * GAN900 's proxy is down. :( | 21:02 | |
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| mgedmin | and yes, I had entered my appointments into the wrong N900 | 21:03 |
| moo-_- | sivang: ah, another plone user here? :) | 21:03 |
| sivang | moo-_-: hehe, it seems so! | 21:04 |
| RST38h | sivang: good that I do not care about avatars, sick or healthy,,, | 21:04 |
| sivang | moo-_-: nice top see you, what are you doing here ? | 21:04 |
| moo-_- | enjoying my N900 :P | 21:04 |
| sivang | RST38h: right, the potential personal information solicitry here is unparalleded :-D | 21:04 |
| moo-_- | sivang: we develop mobile apps | 21:04 |
| sivang | moo-_-: remind me of which company you are with ? | 21:04 |
| RST38h | sivang: some people like exposing stuff about themselves though | 21:04 |
| moo-_- | sivang: twinapex | 21:04 |
| moo-_- | try boot on N900 ;P | 21:05 |
| moo-_- | +plone | 21:05 |
| Paul3 | I'm getting a n900 tonight, what's the first thing i should do with it? :) | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | Paul3, dance with joy | 21:05 |
| Paul3 | :) | 21:05 |
| moo-_- | Paul3: watch introduction movie! | 21:05 |
| moo-_- | (shipped with the device) | 21:05 |
| hardaker | Paul3: take it out of the box! | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | then, I dunno, are you a geek? I install openssh-server first thing on mine | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | then set up ssh pubkey logins as user 'user' rather than root | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | and set up sudo so I can 'sudo anything' and not just 'sudo gainroot' | 21:06 |
| sivang | Paul3: install Plone4.0a3 on it! :-p | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | and then set up avahi so that I can 'ssh my-nokia' instead of typing in IP addresses | 21:06 |
| sivang | moo-_-: I will, if I ever get one. I am too short on funds at the moment to buy one. | 21:06 |
| melmoth | last time i added a line in sudoers, it completly destroyed the application manager | 21:06 |
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| mgedmin | which explains why reflashing is such a hassle for me: http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n900.html | 21:06 |
| Paul3 | Yeah, ssh definitely. Using putty on my symbian phone with t9 is kind of painful | 21:07 |
| moo-_- | sivang: trust my... prices will come down, like always! | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | hmm on a avahi-related note, why do hostnames with 1 or less . in them fail to work on n900? | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | ali1234, there's an open bug for that | 21:07 |
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| mgedmin | either dnsmasq or the the dhcp client scripts are lacking, so the n900 ends up without a default domain for name resolution | 21:08 |
| moo-_- | Paul3: I set up my email account, facebook account and google reader shortcut when got the device | 21:08 |
| moo-_- | Paul3: nothing involving shell :< | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | bug 995 | 21:08 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=995 DNS resolution ignores local domain | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | Paul3, play with all the builtin apps, see what they're capable of | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | then enable the extras repository and play with 3rd party apps | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | that doesn't make much sense to me, but meh | 21:09 |
| sivang | moo-_-: you guys are a finish company ? | 21:09 |
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| Paul3 | Then after the battery is dead i'll try to set up the dev environment on my pc :) | 21:09 |
| fnordianslip | Paul3: install n900fly and measure how high you can throw it :) | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | not on the first day! | 21:10 |
| Paul3 | Hehe | 21:10 |
| moo-_- | sivang: mostly finnish yes, we have some sales offices abroad | 21:10 |
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| Paul3 | I look forward to having linux in my pocket | 21:10 |
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| loppear1 | anyone know the status of fbreader getting into extras? | 21:11 |
| Paul3 | Sounds like i'll have plenty to play with :) thanks | 21:11 |
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| sivang | moo-_-: nice. so you get to visit the Nokia offices if you want :) | 21:12 |
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| red | is there some limit on how many devices can use an adhoc connection at once? | 21:12 |
| X-Fade | loppear1: RST38h was working on that. | 21:12 |
| red | is it just the server + 1 client? | 21:12 |
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| X-Fade | jebba: Hmm your build time improved quite a lot ;) | 21:13 |
| GAN900 | andre__, wish I could thank you twice. ;) | 21:14 |
| loppear1 | also, is there somewhere extras-testing meta discussion is going on about what promotes a package to extras, and on improving the web interface to voting/commenting on testing packages? | 21:14 |
| RST38h | loppear1: Getting into Extras-testing tonight | 21:14 |
| moo-_- | sivang: haha, no. we do not have any kind of relationship with nokia. we are completely independent in that sense (unlike most other Finnish IT companies) | 21:14 |
| RST38h | GAN: Can you do something for me? | 21:14 |
| red | is the devel_adhoc found in connections made for sharing N900:s gprs connection to some otehr device btw? | 21:14 |
| moo-_- | sivang: which I think is good because Nokia kicked out all its subcontractors this year | 21:14 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Library issue sorted? | 21:15 |
| loppear1 | RST38h: excellent, will try it out. | 21:15 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Will check in a moment, if GAN helps | 21:15 |
| moo-_- | sivang: and personally I hate Series 60 development >_> | 21:15 |
| andre__ | GAN900, haha, talk.maemo.org? | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | mgedmin: i don't understand that bug report at all. it seems to be just saying that there's no default search domain | 21:15 |
| RST38h | ah, mgedmin is here as well | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | that isn't the problem i have, since i don't have any domain to search | 21:15 |
| sivang | moo-_-: there's a typo here - http://www.twinapex.com/products/mobile-publishing/apex-vertex/apex-vertex, in Features, "The structure" | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | red: maybe, but I was unable to figure out how | 21:15 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Willing to help a little bit? | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, what kind of help do you need? | 21:15 |
| red | mgedmin: meh, think ill google around a bit if i can find any info | 21:15 |
| sivang | moo-_-: ah I see, rought financial times for Nokia ? (.IL is a very large market for it) | 21:16 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Try updating FBreader from extras-devel, then see if ZLibrary has been updated automatically | 21:16 |
| moo-_- | sivang: well yes. Also, Nokia is engineer driven company and hasn't really clue about how to build services (like Apple + Appstore) | 21:16 |
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| sivang | moo-_-: I never was interested too much in mobile development before N900 got into the picture, that's why I'm getting into it now. | 21:16 |
| jebba | X-Fade: not sure what build you're referring to, but ya, builds are definitely a lot faster in the last few days thanks :) | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | ali1234, well, there are no hostnames like "foo", what usually happens is that the local network has a custom fake TLD like ".lan", and then all the names on the intranet are really "foo.lan", but if you just type "foo" in your browser, it knows to add the .lan part, because the DHCP server told it ".lan" is the default search domain | 21:17 |
| moo-_- | sivang: seen this http://pypi.python.org/pypi/gomobile.mobile/? | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | mgedmin: well, mine doesn't afaik | 21:17 |
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| mgedmin | only on Maemo the DHCP client ignores that bit of info and so names without a domain never work | 21:17 |
| sivang | moo-_-: True, but they stated that's what they are now becoming. | 21:17 |
| X-Fade | jebba: No, check your burgerspace build now. 4 minutes. | 21:17 |
| jebba | X-Fade: ah ya, i see someone resubmitted burgerspace. Perhaps even me ;) | 21:17 |
| jebba | rad cool thx 1000000000000x :) | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | or perhaps I misunderstood your problem | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, sure | 21:17 |
| moo-_- | sivang: there is several year gap when a company of Nokia size says something and actually gets it done :P | 21:18 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: If update works for you this time, I am promoting fbreader to -testing | 21:18 |
| mgedmin | I've got fbreader 0.10.7-7 (extras has -9) and libzlibrary 0.10.7-5 (extras has also -7 and -9) | 21:18 |
| jebba | X-Fade: what about wxwidgets2.6, can you trigger that again? | 21:18 |
| mgedmin | btw fbreader works for me, even though fbreader and libzlibrary versions mismatch | 21:18 |
| RST38h | yea, I know | 21:18 |
| RST38h | so it should | 21:18 |
| red | Anyone know how I can set up Internet Connection Sharing via N900 Ad Hoc Wlan connection? | 21:18 |
| jebba | it's not a ./configure --hildon version, but perhaps will be a start of something useful. | 21:18 |
| RST38h | BUT, unless zlibrary has the same version as fbreader itself, you ar enot getting the latest changes | 21:19 |
| mgedmin | red, I managed once, google for "Internet Connection Sharing" on maemo mailing lists, then see if it's worth the trouble | 21:19 |
| sivang | moo-_-: wow, cool! so basically I install that on my plone site and it makes it ready for WML/WAP ? | 21:19 |
| red | mgedmin: ok, will do | 21:19 |
| sivang | moo-_-: what's "converged" here means ? | 21:19 |
| moo-_- | sivang: forget WAP | 21:19 |
| mgedmin | red, you can more easily do Bluetooth Dialup Networking by installing a package from Extras-devel | 21:19 |
| mgedmin | but then your n900 will be offline while your laptop uses it's GSM/3G modem | 21:19 |
| mgedmin | afaiu | 21:19 |
| red | I've got that one but the speed is terrible | 21:19 |
| moo-_- | sivang: you can publish both web and mobile content from the same site and choose on which media the content is available | 21:20 |
| moo-_- | sivang: only web or only mobile | 21:20 |
| moo-_- | sivang: like different front page for web and mobile | 21:20 |
| red | like 0.3mbps DL and 0.2 upload | 21:20 |
| red | compared to usb 1mpbs | 21:20 |
| sivang | moo-_-: so, does it does conversion on real time or has to have two sets of fixtures ? | 21:20 |
| * mgedmin sees three packages ready to be updated: BT DUN, fbreader, mplayer | 21:20 | |
| moo-_- | sivang: what conversion? :) | 21:20 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Ok, update fbreader, then check what version zlibrary is at | 21:20 |
| red | mgedmin: or have you found someway to make the BT connection fast enough to be used? | 21:20 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Use HAM please, not apt-get | 21:20 |
| moo-_- | sivang: it is not WAP, it is XHTML | 21:20 |
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| mgedmin | RST38h, app manager details, in the "updating" tab says it will update libzlibrary to 0.10.7-9 and fbreader to 0.10.7-9 | 21:20 |
| red | I know it's not due my dongle, it worked pretty fast with iPhone tether | 21:21 |
| moo-_- | sivang: you can basically forget WAP today :P | 21:21 |
| sivang | moo-_-: I had the impression the product takes a normal front page, and converts it to something more usable on a mobile device on the fly. | 21:21 |
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| moo-_- | no one is doing it anymore | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, trying to update now | 21:21 |
| moo-_- | sivang: no, you can have two different body HTML for front page and it picks the right one | 21:21 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: details sound right but let us see if it does | 21:21 |
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| moo-_- | sivang: also content images and such are converted in fly | 21:21 |
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| sivang | moo-_-: nice, what sort of conversion does it do for the images content types ? | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | red: define fast enough; I've been browsing via BT using my 3G Nokia Series 40 phone; not as fast as broadband, noticeably better than GPRS | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | probably better than EDGE too, although both were above the "fast enough" threshold | 21:22 |
| moo-_- | sivang: resize | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | haven't tried youtube over BT over 3G | 21:22 |
| moo-_- | sivang: think mobile screen | 21:22 |
| sivang | moo-_-: reduced resolution for faster xfer and such as well ? | 21:22 |
| sivang | moo-_-: cool | 21:22 |
| moo-_- | sivang: it sniffes mobile browser user agent, reads screen size from db and shrinks it so that 100% width is used | 21:22 |
| red | mgedmin: well I tested few speedtests after tethering via bluetooth via the app in devel(or extras, cant recall). Best I had was about 450ms ping and 0.3mpbs/0.2mpbs speeds, while swapping to USB pc suite mode gives 1mpbs/0.3mpbs | 21:23 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, "software updates successfully installed", apt-cache policy shows both fbreader and libzlibrary were updated to latest ver | 21:23 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: coooooooooooool | 21:23 |
| RST38h | promoting now | 21:23 |
| moo-_- | sivang: check www.northvillage.fi and northvillage.mobi (live site) | 21:23 |
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| red | mgedmin: and the same Bluetooth dongle worked alot faster with another device (tether aswell) | 21:23 |
| mgedmin | red: there are several versions of BT; some have better speeds than others, maybe you had an old BT dongle? | 21:23 |
| mgedmin | ah, interesting! | 21:23 |
| mgedmin | very interesting! | 21:23 |
| red | it's a belkin f8t009, not too new though | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | "higher speed with a different device" is telling, though | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | I've yet to try BT dialup | 21:24 |
| red | I recall having about 0.8mpbs gprs dl / 0.3mpbs ul with my old old nokia communicator | 21:24 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: web ui does not let me to promote to -testing | 21:24 |
| red | via bt | 21:24 |
| sivang | moo-_-: pretty cool product, I must say | 21:24 |
| red | and less latency than via usb tethering :) | 21:24 |
| red | but on n900 its the other way around surprisingly | 21:25 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: No link, neither with fbreader nor with libzlibrary. Is this how it should be? Some time limit? | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | gprs = pain (5 KBytes/s), edge over BT = acceptable for email/svn checkins (20-25 KBytes/s) | 21:25 |
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| red | BUT, I was running windows XP back then on laptop, and now Win 7 | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | haven't used 3G over BT enough to pay attention to speeds | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | actually I lie, I've seen ~50 KBytes/s | 21:25 |
| red | and sorry, I refer gprs as edge/3g/hdspa | 21:25 |
| red | I got 3.6mbit connection on my phone | 21:25 |
| moo-_- | sivang: hehe. we plan to release it "really" early next year. some company internal fuss has slowed us down. | 21:25 |
| red | best I got was like 295KB/sec downloading stuff outside | 21:26 |
| red | indoors its about 100KB/sec | 21:26 |
| red | bad reception, too much concrete :) | 21:26 |
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| red | doesn't make any difference to tethering anyhow, would just be lovely to be able to get that 100KB/sec indoors via tethering without the USB cord | 21:26 |
| red | thought ad hoc might be the key, but it seemed like loads of trouble beyond my skill level reading the forum thread | 21:27 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile in NYC: http://gizmodo.com/5432301/the-galactic-empire-has-taken-over-wall-street?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | so, BT is a bottleneck for me | 21:27 |
| moo-_- | sivang: we have also some mobile specific plone parts ready. if you go here http://northvillage.mobi/individual/accommodation/accommodation-search/aihki-2 you can open the geolocation in Nokia Maps or Google Maps depending on your phone | 21:27 |
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| red | mgedmin: did you test it? | 21:27 |
| moo-_- | sivang: also there is support for phone number links | 21:28 |
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| mgedmin | red, I was in Sweden without Internet except through my N900, and I used the setup described in this thread: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/internet_connection_sharing/ | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | kinda worked (no iptables, so no NAT, so I had to use ssh socks5 proxy) | 21:28 |
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| red | thats the one I was reading | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | except for bug 5712 | 21:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5712 N900 goes into swap hell with frozen UI, despite free RAM | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | which has a newer version of my 'share-wifi' script than the email thread, I believe | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | due to the difficulties and the scary bug, I cannot recommend this method | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | but if speed is important and you're brave enough, go for it | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | also, there's the option of using a USB cable in PC Suite mode -- then your PC sees the N900 as a USB 3G modem | 21:29 |
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| * mgedmin hates cables | 21:29 | |
| RST38h | ah here they are | 21:29 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: I cannot promote neither fbreader nor zlibrary: there are not "Promote package" links in the web ui. Is it normal or is there a problem? | 21:30 |
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| lbt | Jaffa... ping | 21:32 |
| sivang | moo-_-: what are phone number links ? | 21:33 |
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| sivang | moo-_-: like the ones that skype adds to the browser? | 21:34 |
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| RST38h | The Russians, evidently using an SQL injection vulnerability, "gained unauthorized access to 7-Eleven, Inc.'s servers through 7-Eleven's public-facing website, and then leveraged that access into servers supporting ATM terminals located in 7-Eleven stores | 21:35 |
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| RST38h | $800k total | 21:35 |
| sivang | nice :) | 21:35 |
| RXrenesis8 | are you supposed to be able to use the address' for your contacts to interact with ovi maps somehow or is the icon there just to look pretty and confuse me? | 21:35 |
| derf | Eventually people will learn these things should not even be on the same network. | 21:35 |
| RST38h | derf: does this require learning? | 21:35 |
| derf | RST38h: Apparently, yes. | 21:36 |
| RST38h | isn't it obvious? | 21:36 |
| derf | You would think so. | 21:36 |
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| derf | I mean, I roll my eyes everytime the Hollywood villain hacks into the CIA via the public internet. | 21:37 |
| jebba | RST38h: is there an md5sum of the package? Usually you gotta wait a bit after it hits maemo.org/packages before promote button is there. Like when it's done the md5sum and size and all that is usually when promote button appears. | 21:37 |
| derf | But given how poorly consumer networks are constructed, you can forgive them for thinking this would be possible. | 21:38 |
| RST38h | jebba: Dunno, I am just a cow | 21:38 |
| RST38h | But the package went through the autobuilder, so it should have all the bells and whistles I guess | 21:38 |
| * mgedmin moos at RST38h | 21:38 | |
| derf | RST38h: It has to rsync over to the repository from the autobuilder. | 21:38 |
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| derf | Which normally doesn't take that long. | 21:39 |
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| derf | Where "not that long" in Maemo terms is like an hour or two. | 21:39 |
| derf | Unless it's the weekend, and then things get wedged and it takes two days. | 21:39 |
| RST38h | has been more than an hour though | 21:40 |
| RST38h | more like 8 hours | 21:40 |
| derf | It should tell you if it's happened. | 21:40 |
| jebba | RST38h: whcih URL? | 21:40 |
| RST38h | http://maemo.org/packages/view/fbreader/ | 21:41 |
| derf | There'll be a "Package Imported" event after the "Built Successfully" event. | 21:41 |
| RST38h | got that | 21:41 |
| derf | Well, then something else must be the problem. | 21:41 |
| derf | Too bad there is no feedback as to why there's no Promote button. | 21:42 |
| * RST38h prays for X-Fade | 21:42 | |
| mgedmin | what is fbreader doing in non-free? | 21:42 |
| RST38h | ??? | 21:42 |
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| RST38h | ah, there was a binary only package | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | "Fremantle Extras-devel non-free armelfbreader 0.10.7-4" | 21:42 |
| RST38h | yea | 21:43 |
| RST38h | that was before I managed to push the newer version through the autobuilder | 21:43 |
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| mgedmin | I thought maybe some non-open-source-version with proprietary DRM plugins | 21:43 |
| RST38h | nah | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | mgedmin: i checked with wireshark, my dhcp server doesn't specify any default domain | 21:43 |
| derf | More like, "Oh God, please don't make me use the autobuilder." | 21:43 |
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| RST38h | just a shortcut to let everyone use it before autobuilder does its job | 21:43 |
| * mgedmin luuuuuves the autobuilder | 21:44 | |
| ali1234 | in fact, i can resolve local names on the n900 if i tell nslookup to use the real dns server directly, instead of localhost | 21:44 |
| derf | Masochist? | 21:44 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Ok, you love it, you have sex with it | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | derf, lazy | 21:44 |
| derf | RST38h: We don't need its tubes clogged up any more than they already are. | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | ali1234, *shrug* | 21:44 |
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| fnordianslip | anyone using Colloquy on a Mac, I've just found how to hide join/leaves, etc. : http://colloquy.info/project/wiki/FAQs#Doescolloquyhaveawaytoignorehidepartsnicksetcinabusyroom | 21:45 |
| cehteh | uhm repository servers are extremely slow today? | 21:46 |
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| * cehteh got his device :P .. | 21:47 | |
| luke-jr_ | cehteh: we can make them slower if you want | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | :? | 21:47 |
| dmj7261 | cehteh: cool | 21:47 |
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| dmj7261 | I got mine a few days ago. | 21:47 |
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| amr | wow, the numbers in this place jumped | 21:54 |
| amr | anyone here handy with mediaserv by Jaffa? | 21:54 |
| amr | i believe i've configured it correctly, but when i navigate to ip:8090/browse/ i just get the mediaserv title and then below it says 'Not found' | 21:55 |
| derf | Jaffa probably is. | 21:55 |
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| wazd | amr: , Jaffa? :) | 21:55 |
| wazd | oh :) | 21:55 |
| amr | yeah i know that :p | 21:55 |
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| red | amr: you could try Knots2 | 21:56 |
| red | if what you want is to stream video/music from a serverpc to ur n900 | 21:57 |
| red | (or any other pc) | 21:57 |
| amr | itd be an n810 | 21:57 |
| red | works aswell | 21:57 |
| amr | does knots2 transcode? | 21:57 |
| amr | ah brilliant, it does | 21:58 |
| wazd | is it worth to buy used n810 now? | 21:58 |
| red | i havent used it no n810 thought | 21:58 |
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| red | but works lovely on n900 and also on my netbook :) | 21:58 |
| amr | heh | 21:58 |
| amr | im using tversity on my windows pc | 21:58 |
| amr | but i cant stand leaving my windows pc on, its so noisy | 21:58 |
| red | I have the server on my windows 7 | 21:58 |
| amr | wazd depends if you want a phone i guess | 21:58 |
| wazd | amr: I don't obviously | 21:59 |
| red | pc @ living room and quite silent 3 fans | 21:59 |
| amr | well i reckon the n810 will be the last tablet i have | 21:59 |
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| amr | red im envious | 21:59 |
| amr | my psu is horrendously loud | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you have n800 now? | 21:59 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: : yes | 21:59 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: And it's kinda dying :) | 22:00 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: : Also something with keyboard would be cool | 22:00 |
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| red | amr: the downside is that the pc is dualcore 2.4ghz only :P | 22:01 |
| amr | oh well, one of my servers is 533MHz :p | 22:01 |
| red | :) | 22:01 |
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| RXrenesis8 | mfinkle - is your first name michael? | 22:02 |
| mfinkle | nope, Mark | 22:02 |
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| RXrenesis8 | kk, I swear everywhere I go this friend from my ol high school shows up, it's creepy! | 22:04 |
| juliank | My N900's AV output is defect (left channel not working), so I will get it repaired tomorrow (and I received it yesterday). | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | mgedmin: so it turns out dnsmasq has an option to arbitrarily reject hostnames that have no domain, and for some reason, nokia decided to turn it on | 22:04 |
| wazd | So | 22:04 |
| wazd | Yes/no? :) | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: unsure. the n810 screen is an improvement | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | readable in sunlight | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | minisd is a downer | 22:05 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: : yeah | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | gps .. works | 22:05 |
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| Jaffa | amr: 'lo | 22:06 |
| Jaffa | amr: Have you configured it to point at an actual real directory? | 22:06 |
| amr | yeah | 22:06 |
| amr | and ive got some data in there | 22:06 |
| Jaffa | I haven't used it in a while, TBH. Anything in the log? | 22:07 |
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| amr | good point, ill have a look after apt finishes churning | 22:07 |
| amr | :) | 22:07 |
| Jaffa | :) | 22:07 |
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| wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/12/22/2010-ui-countdown-9-%E2%80%93-extras-assistant/ btw | 22:09 |
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| amr | where's the log, Jaffa? heh | 22:09 |
| Jaffa | amr: /tmp/mediaserv.log, IIRC | 22:10 |
| amr | ill wipe it, start mediaserv again and then see what happens | 22:10 |
| amr | sec | 22:10 |
| frals | nice link wazd :) | 22:11 |
| amr | http://paste-it.net/public/e79dc11/ Jaffa | 22:11 |
| Jaffa | amr: hmm | 22:13 |
| amr | bear with me one min | 22:13 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Oh, I've seen this app ;) | 22:14 |
| amr | hmm i thought it might be because i edited the config located in ~/.mediaserv | 22:14 |
| amr | do i need to move the mediaserv executable anywhere? | 22:14 |
| wazd | X-Fade: : yeah, kinda :) | 22:14 |
| Jaffa | amr: nope, don't think so | 22:15 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Nah, Daniel showed it to me. Worked nicely already. | 22:15 |
| amr | hrm | 22:15 |
| wazd | X-Fade: : oh, cool :) | 22:15 |
| * wazd thinks mini-sd is an absolute fail | 22:15 | |
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| moo-_- | sivang: phone number link = click to call. There are one "standard" format and one used by iPhone. | 22:16 |
| moo-_- | sivang: there are various other special links on mobile browsers. like click to send sms, etc. | 22:16 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Any idea why it does not let me promote fbread/zlibrary to -testing? | 22:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: micro-sd, you mean? | 22:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: : mini | 22:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: the one in n810 | 22:19 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Do you see the promote link? | 22:20 |
| RST38h | nope | 22:20 |
| RST38h | that's why I am asking | 22:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: actually I like the mini, micro I tend to lose in my hands | 22:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: : it's 2Gb only | 22:21 |
| ali1234 | you know what sucks about minisd? those adapters... they wear out too quick | 22:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: lame :) | 22:22 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Does it show you as being logged in? | 22:22 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: And are you here? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/fbreader/0.10.7-9 | 22:22 |
| RST38h | going there | 22:22 |
| wazd | RST38h: and what do you think bout using Q3 Engine for game developing? :) | 22:22 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Oh I see my problem now | 22:23 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Have to got to a specific VERSION page to see the link! | 22:23 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Ah, yeah. You do. | 22:24 |
| RST38h | wazd: The Q3 itself is pretty raw on N900 | 22:24 |
| RST38h | wazd: So, probably not right away | 22:24 |
| wazd | RST38h: hmm, I thought it was running pretty fast | 22:24 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Do you want me to remove the non-free version btw? | 22:24 |
| RST38h | wazd: it is running fast, but there are some problems with controls and you cannot easily exit it :) | 22:25 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Yes, please. Also, Vulture's is supposed to have a free version in the repos right now | 22:25 |
| amr | hmmm | 22:26 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, the game is not supposed to be FPS :) | 22:26 |
| amr | fingers crossed knots2 works \o | 22:26 |
| wazd | RST38h: : at least you can bind the buttons to move around | 22:26 |
| RST38h | wazd: if you want my suggestion, I would suggest something along the lines of Vulture's | 22:27 |
| RST38h | wazd: Either turn based rogue like or a strategy game in japanese style | 22:27 |
| RST38h | wazd: because it is not dynamic, users will have time to think | 22:27 |
| wazd | RST38h: : non 3d - too much drawing :( | 22:27 |
| derf | RST38h: Also, it'll be much easier on battery life. | 22:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: well, you can make it 2d or axonometric | 22:28 |
| RST38h | derf: true | 22:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: If you want some examples of such games, I will locate some | 22:28 |
| derf | Unless it's like Freeciv... that is sllllooowwww. | 22:28 |
| RST38h | freeciv is an overkill | 22:28 |
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| wazd | RST38h: also, strategies needs AI | 22:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: AI is not hard | 22:28 |
| derf | And heck, so was that other hex-based one. | 22:28 |
| wazd | Sandworm doesn't :) | 22:29 |
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| RST38h | it does, you want semi-sentient food | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | ali1234, file a bug! | 22:30 |
| ali1234 | mgedmin: i already have | 22:30 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7239 | 22:30 |
| povbot | Bug 7239: N900 cannot resolve simple DNS hostnames without domains | 22:30 |
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| mgedmin | ah ok | 22:31 |
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| wazd | RST38h: : I remember how much it took to release Pocket Heroes :) | 22:31 |
| ali1234 | +1 for turn based games | 22:32 |
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| RST38h | wazd: well, it depends on the programmer not on the presense of ai | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | here is "mine", and yes, it works on maemo (it's all python): http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/md/ | 22:33 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: You probably also want to kework non-free libzlibrary | 22:33 |
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| mgedmin | "kework" is such a nice term for it | 22:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | ali1234: does asking to lookup hostname. work? | 22:39 |
| ali1234 | no | 22:39 |
| AndrewBlack | is it just me or has a lot of old time posts of t.m.o abandoned it | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | talk is insane. | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewBlack: new times and a lot of traffic | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | flat with no threading and sucky web-UI | 22:40 |
| * RST38h wants no threading | 22:41 | |
| SpeedEvil | trn did it better in 1992? | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 22:41 |
| RST38h | but yes, the "classic" talk ui is tolerable but not the tmo "custom" ui | 22:41 |
| AndrewBlack | Stskeeps, yeah but I can´t figure out if old people are gone from it or if there are so many new people´s post it just feelsthat way | 22:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | I never saw it before the custom UI | 22:41 |
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| RST38h | internettablettalk.com | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewBlack: a combination | 22:42 |
| AndrewBlack | I normally just use my n900 and my minimalist ui | 22:42 |
| RST38h | the new ui is seriously uncomfortable, but comfort wasn't the priority in its design | 22:42 |
| RST38h | AndrewBlack: same here | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | it's a curse of 'new posts' | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | i am thinking to use sections again | 22:43 |
| Corsac | did someone try cinaest | 22:43 |
| Corsac | ? | 22:43 |
| AndrewBlack | well I was getting geared up for a Minimalist 3.0 redesign but I hate to say it don´t care about t.m.o that much about t.m.o anymore lol | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | AndrewBlack: its a transformation atm still, but things are less insane than when shipping threads existed | 22:45 |
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| RST38h | Sts: give it another 3-4 months, the fanboys will lose interest and it will be back to (semi)normal. Hopefully, anyway | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i am curious how next council looks like | 22:46 |
| AndrewBlack | RST38h, I hope so still thinking of putting Minimalist fixes on back burner again and doing another theme lol | 22:46 |
| RevdKathy | Next council = God, Orangebox... | 22:46 |
| * RST38h does not care about politics | 22:46 | |
| RST38h | RevdKathy: Do not forget yourself, Rushmore, and the Venom guy | 22:47 |
| Tanuva | my n900 doesn't react to usb cable insertion (neither does syslog on the linux desktop) since the battery is full. can I somehow force mass storage mode? | 22:47 |
| RevdKathy | Oh yes, us n00bs atr going to take over | 22:47 |
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| RST38h | RevdKathy: You will do psychological councelling. Ever done this to teenagers? | 22:47 |
| RevdKathy | a bit, why? | 22:47 |
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| RST38h | 'cause you will have to do that a lot with the above council selection... | 22:48 |
| RevdKathy | (I dont think you need worry about an 'all-n00b' council seriously) | 22:48 |
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| RevdKathy | LOL yeah | 22:48 |
| RevdKathy | Beats me how teens can afford n900 | 22:48 |
| RST38h | "Father gave it to me as a gift" =) | 22:49 |
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| RevdKathy | Oh yes, but it's crap so I sold it on ebay. I forgot that | 22:50 |
| RST38h | Whoever feels like committing a good deed tonight, vote for http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/fmsx/3.5.7-1/ | 22:50 |
| RST38h | One last vote and fMSX *finally* goes into proper Extras (about two months later than it should have :() | 22:50 |
| AndrewBlack | I voted no you need 2 votes no lol | 22:51 |
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| * RST38h moos at Andrew woefully | 22:51 | |
| wazd | RST38h: No, I mean the whole thing | 22:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: : visuals and stuff :) | 22:51 |
| AndrewBlack | RST38h, I´m kidding I voted yes I even testing it a while back just never voted | 22:51 |
| RST38h | = | 22:51 |
| RST38h | =) | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | Tanuva, tap the status bar, tap usb, select mass storage | 22:52 |
| RST38h | Promoting to Extras =) | 22:52 |
| RevdKathy | RST38h - I would if I understood what it does | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | what the voting app needs is screenshots | 22:52 |
| Tanuva | mgedmin: usb doesn't show up there, that's the problem. ne device doesn't react to the usb cable (still after a reboot) | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | nothing like a screenshot to pique somebody's interest to install and evaluate and vote for the app | 22:53 |
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| mgedmin | Tanuva, bug 6004? | 22:54 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6004 N900 sometimes ignores USB data cable | 22:54 |
| mgedmin | which is RESOLVED, so searches don't see it | 22:54 |
| RST38h | RevdKathy: It emulates an ancient home PC | 22:54 |
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| mgedmin | andre__, please please please can we have "FIX COMMITTED" and "FIX RELEASED" as separate statuses? | 22:54 |
| RST38h | Should boot into BASIC | 22:54 |
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| RevdKathy | I'd gathered that much - the question then being why I would want it to | 22:54 |
| mgedmin | that would prevent bugzilla "no it's not FIXED until I have it in my hands", "no it's FIXED internally, don't waste our time complaining" flamewars | 22:55 |
| mgedmin | well, lessen | 22:55 |
| RST38h | RevdKathy: Depends. You might either program in BASIC (makes a good learnign tool for kids) or load some game and play it | 22:55 |
| RevdKathy | ahh right - my grandfather knew basic. I don't | 22:56 |
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| RevdKathy | That's my problem with the extras repository: a lot of the stuff is niche and I ask myself whether I'd actually want it | 22:57 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: ping | 22:57 |
| RevdKathy | hard to test stuff you don't really understand | 22:57 |
| SmilyOrg | mgedmin i think FIXED is internal and VERIFIED is external or something like that? | 22:57 |
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| Tanuva | mgedmin: theres 2009.42-11 on my phone (received yesterday), might be that bug | 22:57 |
| samd | hi, how much battery time will i get on a n900?? no 3g, only wifi as internet, moderate use? | 22:57 |
| RST38h | RevdKathy: You do not necessarily need to use it, just test that it works | 22:57 |
| mgedmin | samd, how many hours is "moderate use"? | 22:58 |
| RevdKathy | Hard to do that if I don't know how or why, though | 22:58 |
| RST38h | There is some niche stuff but most is not niche enough to be uncomprehensible | 22:58 |
| mgedmin | SmilyOrg, it's mostly a matter of appearances, I suppose | 22:58 |
| mgedmin | to bug reporters "FIXED" seems incorrect since they're still suffering | 22:58 |
| RevdKathy | I;m very stupid - still trying to work out supertux (I don;t do games) | 22:58 |
| mgedmin | samd, I use my n900 *a lot*, so my battery runs out in less than a day | 22:58 |
| samd | mgedmin-> umm idle most of the time, maybe 1 hour of web surfing, some pictures, wifi conected | 22:59 |
| SmilyOrg | mgedmin i agree, the names are confusing at first | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | samd, if you don't use it at all, it lasts ~90 hours? somebody measured once | 22:59 |
| RevdKathy | samd - I use mine 'moderately' and seldom use much more than half the battery in a day | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | 3rd-party apps may affect battery life | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | I'm pretty sure they affect mine | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | samd: for example - ssh'd into n900 over wlan all the time, asking about battery use every 30s, use maybe an hour - lasted over 27 hours before I got bored. | 23:00 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: only if they are badly written | 23:00 |
| mgedmin | or it could be the WiFi power-savings that I've disabled | 23:00 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: and there is exact definition of what badly written is in this case | 23:00 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, I'm assuming apps are badly-written by default | 23:00 |
| RST38h | no | 23:00 |
| mgedmin | and then get fixed, maybe | 23:00 |
| mgedmin | ;) | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: or do things that are required to use lots of battery by definition | 23:00 |
| RST38h | Speed: Not necessarily | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: it's not possible to do some things in an energy saving manner. | 23:00 |
| RST38h | Speed: See, N900 has got that "locked" mode | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: for example, seti@home. | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:01 |
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| RST38h | Speed: yea, but we are not talking cpu gobblers here | 23:01 |
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| samd | mgedmin, RevdKathy ,, oo sounds good for me, i just dont want to get caugh on the middle of the day w/o battery, ive heard of a wifi bug which drains the battery in 5 hours , which is why i was worried (bug 6615) | 23:01 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6615 Battery Dies Under 6 Hours with Very Moderate Use | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I don't mean CPU, I mean network protocols that require activity. | 23:01 |
| jiajia | hei guys | 23:01 |
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| jiajia | when do u thing n900 can make video call | 23:01 |
| RST38h | Speed: anyways, a well behaved app should shut down all timers and wait for gtk events | 23:01 |
| AndrewBlack | if I could get garage to work with me I would have maemo-org theme ready for testing | 23:01 |
| RST38h | Speed: then it will not be eating battery | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: say IRC +3G = ~5h | 23:02 |
| RST38h | do not use irc around the clock | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: and there isn't a easy way to get round that without a proxy | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: heresy! | 23:02 |
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| RevdKathy | samd - I don't know what that is: my n900 switches seamlessly between good wifi and a rather dodgy gprs signal. Even with a patchy signal, I don;t use much more than half a battery | 23:02 |
| RST38h | Speed: remote shell account + screen | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | gprs seems to be lots more power efficient than 3g | 23:03 |
| RST38h | it is | 23:03 |
| samd | RevdKathy-> ight, that sounds about rite for me :), thanks every1 for the info | 23:03 |
| RevdKathy | samd: I use mucis play, check email, maybe play online for half an hour at lunchtime, check twitter a few times a day, use the FM transmitter a bit | 23:03 |
| jiajia | yeah the batteru is not the best | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes, I know, I was just using IRC as a protocol example of something that requires heavy battery use | 23:03 |
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| RevdKathy | samd: never seen the battery below green | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: (at least on 3g) | 23:04 |
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| samd | RevdKathy-> alright, i cant wait to get mine , its being shipped today, :))), thanks for the info | 23:04 |
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| RevdKathy | Congrats, samd. Good luck with a safe delivery | 23:04 |
| RST38h | Speed: I am using icq, gtalk, gizmo, skype accounts at the same time, battery lasts through the day | 23:04 |
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| RST38h | Speed: EGPRS all WiFi | 23:05 |
| samd | RevdKathy-> thankss | 23:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes - 3g is especially bad in this case. | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | wifi with ps is quite lightweight indeed. | 23:06 |
| jiajia | what is the problem with this battety | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | There isn't a problem as such with the battery. | 23:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | other than it does not have infinite life. | 23:06 |
| jiajia | i can only use for one day | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | In most peoples use-cases, it's quite adequate. | 23:07 |
| * AndrewBlack wonders how bad his bluetooth headphones he is getting are going to suck the n900 battery | 23:07 | |
| RevdKathy | ok, g'night all | 23:07 |
| samd | g;nite | 23:07 |
| jiajia | does internet affect lots of the battery | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | jiajia: everything affects the battery. | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | 3g is supposed to drain it quite fast, gprs not so much | 23:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | 3g drains it a lot - though this isn't so bad for intermittent large loads like large webpages | 23:08 |
| jiajia | i can only use for one day this phone about the battery and which i did not use so often | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | gprs is good for small amounts of data. | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | why do you care about battery life of >1 day? | 23:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | if you can charge it when you go to sleep. | 23:09 |
| jiajia | i do that but if i use little more in a day the battery will die | 23:09 |
| * RST38h wishes somebody finally removed all those fake votes from google crawler | 23:09 | |
| AndrewBlack | I´m giving up maybe my home computer will have better luck with garage today | 23:12 |
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| Tanuva | on tablets-dev I only find 42-11 images, the bug 6009 comments said there's at least 46-16 (Sep 2009) somewhere out there. Kind of testing image? Might I get that somewhere? | 23:14 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009 "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications | 23:14 |
| Tanuva | okay, 6009 seems to be wrong | 23:14 |
| mgedmin | Tanuva, internal build, you won't get it | 23:14 |
| Tanuva | I see | 23:14 |
| mgedmin | all it means is that the next public release with a build number greater than 46-16 will have the fix in it | 23:15 |
| Tanuva | so I need to wait for that bug fix? | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | yeah | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | in the meantime, unplugging-and-replugging seems to help | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | or try rebooting at worst | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | wait, sorry, wrong bug | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | forget I said anything | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | thought you were still talking about 6004 | 23:15 |
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| Tanu | being new to a community quite sucks. | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | workaround: in xterm press ctrl-j or ctrl-m instead of enter | 23:16 |
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| mgedmin | in theory it should be possible to build a newer osso-xterm (with the fix, presumably) and install it | 23:16 |
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| Gadgetoid_n900 | lemme know if anyone needs a £5 expansys voucher... I'm not gonna use mine | 23:17 |
| Tanu | mgedmin: I remembered the wrong bug id, didn't mean that issue but the one with the not-recognized usb cable :) | 23:17 |
| mgedmin | yeah, then unplug/replug a few times, let us know in the bug tracker if that fixes it or not | 23:18 |
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| Tanu | oh my god. | 23:20 |
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| mgedmin | did it explode? | 23:21 |
| Tanu | the usb "lengthening"? cable I used between the n900's cable and my desktop wasn't plugged into the latter. | 23:21 |
| Tanu | don't ask me how it got out of there, but it was. | 23:21 |
| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Package_Building_HOWTO new section | 23:22 |
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| mgedmin | ha ha ha | 23:22 |
| mgedmin | and the word you're looking for is "extension", I suppose | 23:22 |
| Tanuva | sounds reasonable | 23:23 |
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| mgedmin | gaaah maemo.org why are you soooo sloooow? | 23:23 |
| mgedmin | gaaaah planet.maemo.org, why do you insist on spying on my clicks in my rss feed reader? | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | just gimme the links directly into the respective blogs | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | then I'll be able to access them without melting your server to the ground | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | http://quitcoding.com/?page=work#snowtter is cool and should be in Extras | 23:26 |
| * mgedmin wonders if libqt is optified | 23:26 | |
| mgedmin | yeah, libqt 4.5 is not very impressive: snowtter is slow and has no anti-aliasing | 23:29 |
| mgedmin | non-anti-aliased rotated text is ugly and unreadably | 23:29 |
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| mgedmin | libqt 4.6 is not in extras-devel, so I will ignore its existence | 23:29 |
| andre__ | mgedmin, yes, after 3.4 | 23:30 |
| mgedmin | woohoo! | 23:30 |
| mgedmin | probably | 23:30 |
| mgedmin | :) | 23:30 |
| * mgedmin is not sure what "3.4" means | 23:31 | |
| mgedmin | bugzilla version? | 23:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: browser team doesn't have any intention of looking at brainstorm ;-) | 23:36 |
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| T7g | Has anyone gotten around to using the lshal information about the battery to do a very in depth battery widget that told you how much power you were averaging over various spans of time? | 23:36 |
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| ml-N900 | I know what the maemo port of cxchat needs | 23:39 |
| ml-N900 | It needs to blink the blue LED when you get a PM or you get a highlight | 23:40 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | you dont say | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | what's cxchat? | 23:41 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | not to mention finger scrolling | 23:41 |
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| * mgedmin wishes wazd designed a nice UI for a Maemo IRC client | 23:42 | |
| simula | mgedmin, did you ever find out what 3.4 stood for? | 23:42 |
| ml-N900 | mgedmin: a typo, c and x are extremely close on this thing | 23:42 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | and a less obese input box | 23:42 |
| mgedmin | simula, no | 23:43 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | input is about twice as high as the text... and my test twice as big as the log text | 23:43 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | text* | 23:43 |
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| * simula is looking forward to an optified Qt 4.6 too :) | 23:43 | |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | less ui, more chat! irssi has the modifier key bar too meeeeeh | 23:44 |
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| jebba | is there any way to disable the fone for use in an airplane? (turn off gsm/wifi/etc) | 23:45 |
| hexagon | offline mode? | 23:45 |
| superdump | press the power button, a menu pops up, there's a flight mode iirc | 23:45 |
| superdump | if you're talking about the n900 | 23:46 |
| Klowner | ZAGG's cheapo shipping sure is slow | 23:46 |
| Klowner | I suspect they duct taped my invisible shield to a toddler in Salt Lake City and told him to walk east | 23:47 |
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| Gadgetoid_n9xx | well... now i know why people use irssi | 23:47 |
| jebba | weird, i can't view my wiki page on the maemo browser now for some reason. | 23:47 |
| * wazd wishes for more hours in a day | 23:47 | |
| wazd | more* | 23:48 |
| thresh | wazd: choose saturn | 23:48 |
| thresh | oh wait, it has more days in a year | 23:48 |
| hexagon | jebba:url? | 23:48 |
| jebba | or any page in the wiki for that matter. or any page for that matter. EVerything is all white. Hmm | 23:48 |
| wazd | and for used n810 :D | 23:48 |
| hexagon | im at the phone | 23:48 |
| * jebba rebooting fone... | 23:49 | |
| wazd | is the keyboard of n810 that unusable as some people say? | 23:49 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | 19 lines vs 16 hmm | 23:49 |
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| Gadgetoid_n900 | wazd what do they say? | 23:49 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | it's very hard and very flat | 23:50 |
| thresh | wazd: why didnt you asked before. i've just sold mine | 23:50 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | but it makes up for that by being big | 23:50 |
| orbarron | anyone played with pulseaudio? have some basic questions... | 23:50 |
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| Gadgetoid_n900 | the n900 keyboard is an improvement for sure.. but i really miss dedicate fullscreen/menu buttins | 23:51 |
| * GAN900 wants his proxy back. | 23:51 | |
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| wazd | thresh: : well, I'm still thinking, nothing particular :) | 23:51 |
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| Gadgetoid_n900 | although ctrl+enter is good enough | 23:52 |
| wazd | Gadgetoid_n900: *very* hard? :) | 23:52 |
| wazd | isn't it from the same opera as *hard" resistive screens? :) | 23:52 |
| jebba | all happy after reboot... | 23:52 |
| thresh | wazd: well at least it'd be easier for me to actually deliver it to a buyer | 23:52 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | hard as in key feel | 23:52 |
| wazd | Gadgetoid_n900: : I understand | 23:53 |
| wazd | Gadgetoid_n900: : is it usable? | 23:53 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | works for me | 23:53 |
| wazd | cool | 23:53 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | better than the droid | 23:53 |
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| wazd | the only bad thing is mini-SD | 23:54 |
| wazd | pretty lame format | 23:54 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | i agree | 23:54 |
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| wazd | and micro-usb maybe :) | 23:54 |
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| Gadgetoid_n900 | micro usb ends up on everything | 23:55 |
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| Gadgetoid_n900 | so i can charge my tablet mifi n900 and lord knows what else with the same one cable | 23:56 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | hmmm imac insomnia | 23:56 |
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| Gadgetoid_n900 | that would be why | 23:57 |
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