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| cpscotti | Hey.. what happens when ur app at extras-testing gets the much anticipated 10 votes? U go to the pub and get drunk or is there some other hidden step? | 00:00 |
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| jaem | cpscotti, you make sure any other code you need to do is done *before* you go get drunk ;) | 00:01 |
| lardman | nah, coding when drunk is more efficient | 00:01 |
| bigbrovar_ | jaem: one problem, i cant install root | 00:01 |
| bigbrovar_ | jaem: so am in a bit of catch 22 | 00:02 |
| lardman | bigbrovar_: do you have a PC? | 00:02 |
| lardman | or, does the browser work? | 00:02 |
| bigbrovar_ | lardman: yeah i do | 00:02 |
| cpscotti | Ballmer peak obligatory ref? http://www.xkcd.org/323/ | 00:02 |
| bigbrovar_ | lardman: yeah it works | 00:02 |
| lardman | bigbrovar_: you could grab the rootsh package from the repo directly to install it | 00:03 |
| el_zilcho | You can download the rootsh .deb file and install it on the device in red pill mode if you can't get the package otherwise | 00:03 |
| el_zilcho | that's what i had to do | 00:03 |
| lardman | I don't think it has deps that need to be met from the repo | 00:03 |
| el_zilcho | but thhen after that, you don't need red pill at all | 00:03 |
| cpscotti | jaem: well.. all the code is there for the last 2 versions which were pretty much changing description and stuff.. lol | 00:03 |
| el_zilcho | even for installing from a .deb you can just use dpkg once root is there | 00:03 |
| jaem | cpscotti, lol | 00:03 |
| bigbrovar_ | lardman: i would need root wont i? u mean dpkg -i | 00:03 |
| el_zilcho | yes | 00:03 |
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| bigbrovar_ | or install via the web? | 00:04 |
| el_zilcho | but if you reread what i was saying | 00:04 |
| jaem | bigbrovar_, could you wait until you're at home, install rootsh, and then fiddle with it? | 00:04 |
| jaem | that might be simpler | 00:04 |
| bigbrovar_ | el_zilcho: thanks will try that | 00:04 |
| el_zilcho | its not really difficult once you have a .deb file on the device | 00:04 |
| el_zilcho | just remember to go back to blue pill once the rootsh install is done | 00:05 |
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| el_zilcho | my wifi was DOA so i was in a similar boat | 00:07 |
| el_zilcho | bbl | 00:08 |
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| hrw | 81 bugs fixed for next firmware releases | 00:16 |
| hrw | bug 4728 | 00:17 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4728 Remove trailing comma in enum | 00:17 |
| pupnik | nice | 00:18 |
| mfinkle | when launching our app from a commandline it starts noticeably faster than starting from a desktop icon (N900) | 00:18 |
| mfinkle | any ideas about how we can speed up desktop startup? | 00:18 |
| mfinkle | is dbus doing something? or expecting something? | 00:19 |
| red | whats that 2mb quake3 in devel? :p | 00:20 |
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| red | oh and | 00:22 |
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| red | digg widget - nothing happends when i add on the desktop | 00:23 |
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| cpscotti | red: ever wondered why it's -5 karma? | 00:25 |
| bigbrovar_ | am getting this error when i refresh the app manager #n900 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/002/./Packages could not resolve host: downloads.maemo.nokia.com ( domain name not found) | 00:25 |
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| red | cpscotti: where do i see the karma? :) i must be blind | 00:26 |
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| cpscotti | red: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ | 00:27 |
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| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/12/18/what-will-next-firmware-release-for-n900-bringsk/ | 00:27 |
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| hrw | read, comment, mark it as favorite on planet.maemo.org etc | 00:28 |
| red | okay | 00:28 |
| red | btw which do u guys prefer, pidgin or butterfly? | 00:28 |
| hrw | took a bit to create list but it was worth it I think | 00:29 |
| hrw | red: for what? | 00:29 |
| Nemorino | hi guys | 00:29 |
| Nemorino | could i ask you something off topic? | 00:29 |
| Nemorino | i've a trouble with a Nokia E75 | 00:30 |
| Nemorino | someone could help me? | 00:30 |
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| PaulFertser | "There is currently no access to these internal, non-public build versions." nice understanding of openness again | 00:31 |
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| fnordianslip | bigbrovar_: i had a problem like that which I worked around by manually setting the DNS server addresses for my wifi connection to my ISPs DNS servers, and not to the usual DNS servers on my LAN. If it updates OK over a cellular connection, but not wifi, then you may have a similar issue. | 00:36 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: yes, 7026 is the most interesting here. | 00:37 |
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| red | hrw: msn. does pidgin integrate into contacts the same way? merged ppl when butterfly opened first time | 00:37 |
| RST38h | hrw: I think the cutoff week for the next ssu was BEFORE ww50 though | 00:37 |
| bigbrovar_ | fnordianslip: hmm that could well be it. can u please come again. I didnt quite get your walk around | 00:38 |
| bigbrovar_ | fnordianslip: is there a way to set dns on the n900 | 00:38 |
| red | resolv.conf? | 00:38 |
| fnordianslip | bigbrovar_: yep, do it for the specific wifi connection you are using, need to recall the process though, hang on | 00:38 |
| fnordianslip | nope | 00:38 |
| red | ok | 00:39 |
| fnordianslip | bigbrovar_: Settings->Internet Connections | 00:39 |
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| PaulFertser | hrw: and yes, i haven't followed it lately, the december activity looks promising. It's just that it was reported two months ago and was ignored with something like "please use AGPS" comment. | 00:39 |
| fnordianslip | bigbrovar_: then Connections button, then choose your connection | 00:39 |
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| PaulFertser | hrw: (building images oneself) why not just publish the test versions? If it's all open, it shouldn't be an issue unless you're having severe bandwidth/storage issues which i doubt. | 00:40 |
| hrw | red: never used msn. I use jabber, icq, skype (that order) and all from Contacts | 00:40 |
| fnordianslip | bigbrovar_: then Edit, Next,Next,Next, then Advanced, IP Addresses Tab | 00:40 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: ask them? | 00:40 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: whom? those building test images? No idea who they are, sorry. I'd ask if i knew them. | 00:41 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: after few years in software business I understand their lack of releasing testing stuff | 00:41 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: maemo software team @ nokia | 00:41 |
| * hrw -> sleep now | 00:42 | |
| PaulFertser | hrw: other distros release unstable versions... | 00:42 |
| hrw | have a nice evening | 00:42 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: you too :) | 00:42 |
| PaulFertser | hrw: good night :) | 00:42 |
| hrw | PaulFertser: since when maemo is sane distro? | 00:42 |
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| red | hrw: how well does pidgin react to roaming between wlan/gprs and autoreconnecting? | 00:42 |
| * PaulFertser wished maemo was a sane distro | 00:42 | |
| RST38h | "bug 6877: Pin / lock code entry dialog reveals digits on backspace Á | 00:42 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6877 Pin / lock code entry dialog reveals digits on backspace | 00:42 |
| red | butterfly seems mildly buggy at that | 00:42 |
| bigbrovar_ | fnordianslip: thanks mate I have seen it now | 00:42 |
| * RST38h rotfls a little bit | 00:42 | |
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| fnordianslip | bigbrovar_: np | 00:43 |
| red | ah gn | 00:43 |
| hrw|gone | red: never used | 00:43 |
| hrw|gone | bye | 00:43 |
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| bigbrovar_ | fnordianslip: thanks that seem to have fixed it | 00:45 |
| fnordianslip | bigbrovar_: excellent | 00:46 |
| jaem | bigbrovar_, got it working? | 00:46 |
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| bigbrovar_ | jaem: it was a dns issue, appearantly i have to manually setup my dns .. thanks to fnordianslip: for pointing me out | 00:47 |
| bigbrovar_ | jaem: fnordianslip: any of u guys on twitter identica? | 00:48 |
| jaem | bigbrovar_, \o/ Good to know | 00:48 |
| PaulFertser | (gps bug) well, at least one important person @nokia reproduced it but it's unclear if anything will be done about it. Probably it'll be the same as with n810. | 00:48 |
| jaem | cheers | 00:48 |
| * fnordianslip no twitter | 00:48 | |
| pupnik | anybody here tried scaling with hildonanimationactor yet? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Porting_Software/Scaling_Fixed_Size_Windows | 00:48 |
| bigbrovar_ | jaem: thanks | 00:49 |
| Clok | is it possible to play divx video w/ subs? | 00:51 |
| red | how does that bluetooth tether app work? | 00:53 |
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| Arkenoi | wow, aircrack-ng, finally. is packet injection supported? | 01:11 |
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| GAN900 | PaulFerster, don't troll. | 01:13 |
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| GAN900 | hrw|gone, I think we're probably looking at w47 or 48 | 01:16 |
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| MaceG1 | Hm | 01:24 |
| pwnguin | i wonder if i can get free unfettered wifi from mcD's if i spoof a Nintendo DS mac address | 01:24 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, whatever it was, no. :P | 01:25 |
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| kevloral | hi all | 01:26 |
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| Guest47222 | Hello, I just received my n900 and is not booting, any ideas? | 01:31 |
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| cosmo_ | Guest47222: charge the battery | 01:31 |
| Guest47222 | is charged | 01:31 |
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| Proteous_ | you can't fool me qwerty | 01:32 |
| Guest47222 | it starts booting and then nothing happens | 01:32 |
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| Proteous_ | reinstall your printer drivers | 01:33 |
| cosmo_ | Guest47222: weird. try reflashing it.. | 01:33 |
| Guest47222 | how if it's not booting? | 01:33 |
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| cosmo_ | it doesn't need to boot to flash it with pc | 01:35 |
| cosmo_ | if you don't know how to do it, see maemo.org wiki or google maemo flashing | 01:36 |
| swc|666 | n900 is here finally | 01:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:43 |
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| kevloral | re | 01:51 |
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| Guest47222 | thanks cosmo_, I'll try it | 01:53 |
| GAN900 | lol | 01:54 |
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| lardman | Ceiling cat hey? | 01:58 |
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| swc|666 | damnit | 02:10 |
| arachnist | http://trinary.ru/projects/calendar/trinary <| kalendarz binarny w wersji dla programistów PL/SQL | 02:11 |
| swc|666 | 2 unexpected reboots since starting my n900 | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never had any unexpected unexplained reboots. | 02:13 |
| fnordianslip | SpeedEvil: have you had expected unexplained reboots? | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | as in not explained by holding down the power switch for too long | 02:13 |
| pupnik | ive seen a few | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I wasn't expecting it to do that. | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 02:14 |
| ifreq | had strange bug today if anyones interested | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 02:14 |
| ifreq | on conversation window i had unanswered phone call | 02:14 |
| pupnik | what bug | 02:14 |
| ifreq | and could not remove that | 02:14 |
| ifreq | on maemo site there was fix tho: call that number and then try remove it again | 02:14 |
| swc|666 | fsck... reboot #3 | 02:14 |
| ifreq | worked after | 02:14 |
| swc|666 | this sux | 02:14 |
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| pupnik | i sometimes get conversation window when i type in xterm | 02:14 |
| ifreq | for the starters there should be no call logs on conv window :) | 02:15 |
| pupnik | maybe i am miskeying smth | 02:15 |
| ifreq | happily that solution fixed it | 02:15 |
| pupnik | ahh yes | 02:15 |
| swc|666 | brb | 02:15 |
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| oscillik | i am going to the Nokia store tomorrow to get my N900 :D :D :D for i have cancelled my expansys order | 02:26 |
| ifreq | heh gz | 02:26 |
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| oscillik | expansys were taking too long :| | 02:26 |
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| derf | kulve: Ping. | 02:29 |
| el_zilcho | seen matts | 02:30 |
| el_zilcho | oops | 02:30 |
| el_zilcho | wrong server/chan | 02:30 |
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| GAN900 | an | 02:33 |
| GAN900 | Ugh @ bug #5388 | 02:33 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5388 Allow keyboard input to jump to an entry in a list ("type ahead") | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: I was on the verge of submitting that | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: well - it had come to mind - I'd never actually gotten past 'argh'. | 02:35 |
| lardman | GAN900: ugh? | 02:36 |
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| Tommy999 | hi | 02:37 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, resolution fight. | 02:42 |
| Tommy999 | im trying to reflash my n900 but nothing happens when i run flasher.exe (with or without parameters) from cmd as admin. using vista sp2 32-bit | 02:42 |
| pupnik | can we get the actual key number instead of keysym? | 02:43 |
| lardman | GAN900: as in resolving the bug? | 02:43 |
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| lardman | GAN900: the bug should at least have been resolved with a release image number imho | 02:43 |
| GAN900 | lardman, resolve, "No, I don't have access to the internal builds!" reopen, resolve. | 02:43 |
| pupnik | so a game dpad could be the nine keys on the righthand side of the keyboard | 02:43 |
| GAN900 | Meh | 02:43 |
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| OnJen | hi | 02:43 |
| lardman | pissing in the wind | 02:43 |
| GAN900 | lardman, that's never the case. | 02:44 |
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| GAN900 | RESOLVED means it's committed to the codebase. | 02:44 |
| lardman | hmm, I've seen that stated though in previous bugs - fixed in week #-x. etc | 02:44 |
| GAN900 | Not that it's been released | 02:44 |
| GAN900 | and the week number can change. | 02:44 |
| pupnik | Tommy999: needs to be plugged in to computer? | 02:44 |
| lardman | yeah, that's certainly true | 02:44 |
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| GAN900 | It may or may not have anything to do with the shipping version | 02:45 |
| OnJen | what do i have to do when i get this error in scratchbox? "E: The method driver /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found." when i want to do a apt-get update? | 02:45 |
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| Tommy999 | pupnik: it is | 02:45 |
| GAN900 | Stuff can be integrated into an older week or dropped | 02:45 |
| GAN900 | So, meh. | 02:45 |
| lardman | but as with the "Fixed in Fremantle" stuff, it should be resolved with a "fixed in 52-999", etc. | 02:45 |
| Tommy999 | it says nokia with usb icon in corner | 02:45 |
| pupnik | OnJen: scratchbox you setup or scratchbox from maemo sdk VM? | 02:45 |
| pupnik | Tommy999: no ideas here sorry | 02:46 |
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| Tommy999 | ok ty anyway | 02:46 |
| pupnik | well | 02:46 |
| Tommy999 | if you run flasher.exe without parameters isnt it supposed to show me the help | 02:46 |
| GAN900 | lardman, ideally, but I wouldn't get in a resolution battle over it. ;) | 02:46 |
| pupnik | was n900 off when you started flasher? | 02:46 |
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| lardman | GAN900: no, because I know it will lead nowhere | 02:47 |
| OnJen | pupnik: from maemo sdk | 02:47 |
| Tommy999 | ive tried it every way possible | 02:47 |
| pupnik | OnJen: i cant apt-get within armel target atm either. i pull in packages by hand | 02:47 |
| pupnik | but i use the premade vmdk, to avoid such problems | 02:48 |
| OnJen | so i have to get all qt packages per hand? | 02:48 |
| pupnik | or fix the error | 02:48 |
| bigbrovar_ | anyone knows if it is possible to add the n900 source to apt-cacher? | 02:49 |
| lcuk | mm? | 02:50 |
| lcuk | you can use apt on the tablet just like normal, and you can add the sdk and tools repository | 02:50 |
| bigbrovar_ | yeah my issue is that am having issues refreshing sourcelist | 02:51 |
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| bigbrovar_ | when i do only the maemo extra update | 02:51 |
| OnJen | bigbrovar_: me too | 02:51 |
| bigbrovar_ | nokia default repo doesnt :( | 02:51 |
| * cpscotti is puzzled by my second random reboot in three weeks....: skype call + VERY INTENSE network traffic on local wifi.. is this pattern common for someone? or is it just random? | 02:51 | |
| bigbrovar_ | I tot i fixed it guess not | 02:52 |
| bigbrovar_ | OnJen: you have same problem? | 02:52 |
| cpscotti | 32wd_to =/ | 02:52 |
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| OnJen | bigbrovar_: i get an error for apt-get update | 02:52 |
| bigbrovar_ | OnJen: same here | 02:53 |
| bigbrovar_ | OnJen: update gives me some errors and using the application manager gives me this http://pastebin.com/m1a4ff58c | 02:53 |
| OnJen | bigbrovar_: my update manager only give me numbers as error ^^ | 02:55 |
| lardman | your DNS is having troubles then | 02:55 |
| bigbrovar_ | lardman: I guess so.. but am wondering what the issue could be | 02:56 |
| lardman | though you may get errors for apt-get update for the extras repos as the servers have been having troubles re-generating the Packages files iirc | 02:56 |
| lardman | bigbrovar_: no ideas, sorry | 02:56 |
| bigbrovar_ | lardman: using 3G works fine though so its defo a dns issue.. mybe the https* because i obversed that the mameo extra repo is just http | 02:57 |
| lardman | hmm, I get permission error in a browser on the PC | 02:57 |
| bigbrovar_ | lardman: i know this sound stupid but will removing the s from https work | 02:57 |
| lardman | in app manager? | 02:57 |
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| lardman | not sure, is it a built-in repo? | 02:57 |
| bigbrovar_ | no from terminal using vi to edit the source | 02:58 |
| lardman | hmm, dunno | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | you can edit the repo details in app-manager | 02:58 |
| lardman | but I guess not | 02:58 |
| lardman | if it's built-in I suppose it should be like that | 02:58 |
| bizzle1 | has anyone compiled and flashed a newer kernel on the n900? everything compiles ok but no booting | 02:59 |
| * jaem moos | 02:59 | |
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| pupnik | bizzle1: perhaps you could nlog or post with derails | 03:00 |
| pupnik | details | 03:01 |
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| bigbrovar_ | lardman: updating from terminal using apt-get update works fine | 03:02 |
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| bigbrovar_ | lardman: I just wonder why the app man freaks out lol | 03:02 |
| bizzle1 | ?? | 03:03 |
| bizzle1 | I'm using kernel 2.6.32.1 stable, cross compiled using rx51_defconfig, your gonna have to help me with nlog | 03:04 |
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| pupnik | blog | 03:06 |
| pupnik | sorry | 03:06 |
| pupnik | or maemo-devel list | 03:06 |
| bizzle1 | ahh | 03:06 |
| bizzle1 | ok | 03:06 |
| pupnik | someone else could follow your steps and maybe help | 03:06 |
| lardman | bigbrovar_: very odd | 03:08 |
| lardman | good luck with sorting it, bed time for me | 03:08 |
| lardman | night all | 03:09 |
| bigbrovar_ | lardman: thanks | 03:09 |
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| pupnik | why, why does aplay work and sdl not | 03:11 |
| pupnik | btw, it loks like the pulseaudio entry in events directory does the man-in-the middle insertion | 03:12 |
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| fnordianslip | is it just my imagination, or is tmo starting to seem saner again? | 03:14 |
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| ml-maemo | probably, now that most of the early adopters have their hardware | 03:17 |
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| fnordianslip | or sent it back | 03:17 |
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| ml-maemo | and people grow immune to trollbait | 03:17 |
| ml-maemo | that too | 03:17 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | what universe does that hapapen in? | 03:17 |
| ml-maemo | I am quite happy with mine, however | 03:17 |
| fnordianslip | glad to hear it | 03:17 |
| ml-maemo | things will be bwtter when they fix the bug in the powe management causing watchdog reboots | 03:18 |
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| ml-maemo | but the workaround I used worked great | 03:19 |
| eitreach | is that why my N900 reboots randomly? | 03:19 |
| eitreach | or.. rebooted randomly. It only happened once, so far. | 03:19 |
| ml-maemo | probably | 03:19 |
| ml-maemo | well | 03:19 |
| ml-maemo | maybe | 03:19 |
| fnordianslip | mine never has. i feel lucky | 03:19 |
| eitreach | oh well.. I'm more worried about the media player. | 03:19 |
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| type_t | its called panic and /rtc/rc0.d/halt executes .. | 03:20 |
| type_t | rts etc^ | 03:20 |
| fnordianslip | penguinbait: greets. so whats ccoking in pengiunland. much? | 03:20 |
| fnordianslip | s/ccoking/cooking | 03:20 |
| fnordianslip | d'oh | 03:20 |
| type_t | trying to give that bird wings thats whats cooking.. | 03:22 |
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| * fnordianslip wonders what penguins taste like. they can't be as nice as Dodos. | 03:25 | |
| type_t | lets drop the bird already. | 03:25 |
| fnordianslip | ok, but only if you drop the "already" already :) | 03:26 |
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| type_t | its called being a jerk? | 03:27 |
| type_t | alright than. | 03:27 |
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| type_t | whats the difference in /tmp and /var/tmp? | 03:37 |
| type_t | that /tmp appears in fstab and is a tmpfs mount and /var/tmp is what?.. blah .. :p | 03:40 |
| arachnist | /var | 03:40 |
| type_t | and what does /var stand for? again.. | 03:41 |
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| luke-jr_ | /var/tmp generally holds larger data | 03:45 |
| luke-jr_ | whereas /tmp holds more smaller stuff | 03:45 |
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| luke-jr_ | for example, Gentoo uses /var/tmp for it's build directories | 03:46 |
| luke-jr_ | whereas X11 uses /tmp for its UNIX sockets | 03:46 |
| arachnist | /tmp tends to be mounted as tmpfs on modern distros | 03:49 |
| arachnist | (think of tmpfs as of a ramdisk) | 03:49 |
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| pupnik | maemo-developers is mecca for answers | 03:53 |
| pupnik | lots of blood on the tracks though | 03:54 |
| pupnik | to mix metaphors with Dylan | 03:54 |
| Proteous_ | gowd damn developers always causin train wrecks | 03:55 |
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| MaceG1 | Couldn't take the slow ssh anymore | 04:04 |
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| pupnik | how clutter works http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-March/018645.html | 04:09 |
| pupnik | is there news of when to expect firmware 1.1 for n900? | 04:09 |
| arachnist | 1.1? you'd want to update OS2005? | 04:11 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, December, supposedly. | 04:14 |
| GAN900 | arachnist, PR1.1. :) | 04:14 |
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| arachnist | GAN900: next year? ;P | 04:19 |
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| GAN900 | Public/Production Release | 04:26 |
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| pupnik | GAN900: thanks, that saves me work | 04:45 |
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| type_t | -/etc/init.d/ has clean-tmp-dirs script - echo "Cleaning up /var/tmp" rm -rf /var/tmp/* so only var/tmp is flushed. oss-af-startup package .. | 04:56 |
| microlith | hmm | 05:03 |
| microlith | is there anything that can play back h.264 files in an mp4 container for the N900? | 05:03 |
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| microlith | ahh, I see my problem | 05:05 |
| microlith | kmplayer doesn't escape spaces in filenames... | 05:05 |
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| ml-mobile | ok it just has bad unicode path handling | 05:13 |
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| microlith | hmm | 05:17 |
| microlith | no luck with kmplayer | 05:17 |
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| pupnik | sneaky nokians linking-in pulse when i link-in alsa | 05:23 |
| arachnist | hehehe | 05:23 |
| pupnik | microlith: i have read that it only 'baseline h.264' is supported, whatever that means | 05:24 |
| microlith | yeah | 05:24 |
| pupnik | -it | 05:24 |
| microlith | I'm trying SiB and mplayer now | 05:24 |
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| pupnik | by the dsp - maybe mplayer can do more | 05:24 |
| microlith | ok, SiB makes no sense, it's trying to... create a folder | 05:26 |
| microlith | and telling me there are no video files in a dir with two videos? | 05:27 |
| microlith | well it did something, but nothing useful :/ | 05:33 |
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| pupnik | knots2 over 3g is the maemo5 'brown note' | 05:37 |
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| type_t | microlith that happens when your files are 0644 mode and you only have acces to 775 files but if you < su > thats an whole new ballgame. right?. | 05:48 |
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| microlith | type_t: so you're saying that the playback issue is one of permissions? | 05:50 |
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| microlith | ok, some package isn't cleaning up properly and eating away at my root partition... | 05:53 |
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| frewsxcv | where do the folders/files in the file manager show up in the file system...they aren't in /home/user | 06:35 |
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| AakashPatel | yo | 06:38 |
| microlith | ... | 06:39 |
| microlith | now mass storage mode is acting stupid | 06:39 |
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| microlith | what the fuck | 06:40 |
| microlith | why does the n900 immediately hide the drives it makes available via mass storage | 06:41 |
| microlith | this is fucking stupid | 06:41 |
| microlith | so it's unmounted the partitions | 06:42 |
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| microlith | but not sharing them | 06:42 |
| pwnguin | ...works for me? | 06:43 |
| microlith | hmm | 06:43 |
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| microlith | seems I may have a fucked usb port on my case | 06:43 |
| pwnguin | i find i have to plug the cable into the PC first, then the phone | 06:44 |
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| microlith | thumbnailerd is eating the cpu :/ | 07:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: any hint on how to go to top of a loooong html page? balistic fingerscrolling is tedious, shift-space doesn't autorepeat, and cursor-up is slooow. | 07:05 |
| luke-jr_ | what is the world coming to? Debian stable has a newer version of Perl than Gentoo testing. | 07:06 |
| * microlith boggles as mplayer locks 2 seconds into the video | 07:07 | |
| microlith | I wonder how the hell people are getting smooth video playback on this thing | 07:07 |
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| hardaker | microlith: I've found it often stops a bit into it but then doesn't have a problem after that. | 07:11 |
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| microlith | hardaker: I have to kill the mplayer process as it never continues | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | use a lightweight compression format? or one that N900 has an optimized decoder algo for maybe? | 07:12 |
| hardaker | oh... mplayer. | 07:12 |
| hardaker | I missed that. | 07:12 |
| hardaker | sorry. | 07:12 |
| microlith | DocScrutinizer51: re-encode all my videos for a system that shouldn't need it? nah. | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shouldn't need? | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | heh, that's a 600MHz CPU!! | 07:13 |
| microlith | omap3430 isn't so weak that you need to re-encode things | 07:13 |
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| microlith | but that's beside the point | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | try that on a 600MHz P-II desktop before you complain | 07:13 |
| microlith | again, that's -beside- the point | 07:14 |
| microlith | it's running with -framedrop so at the worst it would be choppy, but play | 07:15 |
| microlith | this isn't even playing | 07:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | it's beside the point to demand fluent video playback of whatever arbitrary crappy video format from a 600MHz system | 07:16 |
| microlith | can you not read? | 07:16 |
| microlith | I can't get -any- proper playback | 07:16 |
| microlith | none | 07:16 |
| microlith | you're suggesting I shouldn't expect any | 07:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm. no problems here | 07:16 |
| luke-jr_ | microlith: um, no | 07:16 |
| luke-jr_ | microlith: my Athlon64 3200+ can barely handle 720p | 07:17 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer51: my n95 played pretty good res h264 video pretty well | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and NO I didn't do anything like suggesting that | 07:17 |
| microlith | luke-jr_: th'at still completely fucking beside the point | 07:17 |
| Macer | then again it has a hw x264 decoder | 07:17 |
| microlith | I cannot get playback whatsoever | 07:17 |
| microlith | nothing | 07:17 |
| microlith | no video ever appears with the h.264 file, and the DivX file shows 2 frames then locks | 07:17 |
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| Macer | microlith: ouch hhe | 07:18 |
| Macer | er. meant h264 not x | 07:18 |
| Macer | divx? | 07:19 |
| Macer | that is already fail :) | 07:19 |
| microlith | it's an old file (2004) | 07:19 |
| swc|666 | alright i'm totally offtrack .. yesterday i (thought i) bookmarked a guide for building packages for maemo .. there was a definitive guide for package building, can anyone point me to it? 0.0 | 07:20 |
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| hardaker | swc|666: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 07:23 |
| hardaker | (among others) | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (video) please realize a video format is a complex datastructure, and not all encoders obey all specs all of the time. Playback of those non standards conforming videos may work flawlessly on one decoder while another one chokes on same file | 07:24 |
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| frewsxcv | how do you gain root on os2008 | 07:30 |
| frewsxcv | sorry os2007 | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | install rootsh pkg. do Msudo gainroot' | 07:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | s/ M/ '/ | 07:31 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: install rootsh pkg. do 'sudo gainroot' | 07:31 |
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| el_zilcho | i could not help but notice usbcontrol out in extras-devel | 08:13 |
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| el_zilcho | :) assuming this means its just a matter of time | 08:14 |
| el_zilcho | unless someone is toying with my emotions | 08:16 |
| johnx | why not download the package and see what it does? | 08:17 |
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| el_zilcho | johnx because im in bed and not sure where i put the usb adapter i had | 08:21 |
| johnx | ah, I was just meaning, download and look at the contents | 08:21 |
| el_zilcho | i was under the impression yoou need a special cable that can inject power | 08:22 |
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| johnx | afaik, that's just people guessing at this point | 08:22 |
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| johnx | yeah, contains files last modified on may 20th, and looks like it just does the usb host stuff for the N8x0 | 08:23 |
| johnx | probably found its way into fremantle by accident | 08:24 |
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| Arkenoi | dpkg -l maemo-recorder | 08:28 |
| Arkenoi | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | 08:28 |
| Arkenoi | | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend | 08:28 |
| Arkenoi | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) | 08:28 |
| Arkenoi | what's wrong with it? | 08:29 |
| johnx | failed to install? | 08:30 |
| Arkenoi | it just "vanished" from my device yesterday | 08:30 |
| Arkenoi | will dpkg -r now and reinstall. but i'd like to know what happened | 08:31 |
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| johnx | "vanished" is like the vaguest description ever | 08:31 |
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| johnx | a couple more details might help someone piece together what happened... | 08:31 |
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| Arkenoi | jonx: both icon and executable file disappeared | 08:32 |
| jiiv | weird...did you do any upgrades on other software or anything? | 08:32 |
| Arkenoi | though i do not remember any updates did fail recently | 08:32 |
| johnx | dpkg -L pkg | 08:32 |
| johnx | tell me if any of the files are still there? | 08:32 |
| Arkenoi | oops, too late, i already reinstalled it :-( sorry, i just thought it is known situation | 08:33 |
| flux | arkenoi, do you have 'recorder' installed? | 08:33 |
| Arkenoi | flux: yes, do they conflict? | 08:34 |
| flux | Replaces: maemo-recorder | 08:34 |
| johnx | ;) | 08:34 |
| Arkenoi | ah :-))) | 08:34 |
| Arkenoi | which is better, then? | 08:34 |
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| konttori | Does anyone know how to tune the saturation settings of tv out? | 10:09 |
| RST38h | via the OMAP3 chip? :) | 10:11 |
| RST38h | or do you want a circuit diagram? | 10:11 |
| kulve | derf: pong | 10:14 |
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| cpscotti | Good morning! | 10:16 |
| cpscotti | Hey.. is there some garage admin there? Check this page: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/n900fly/0.1.5/ Yesterday I tried to vote (one time) but my network was bad.. and.. yes... I got happy playing with the thumbs up button. | 10:17 |
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| cpscotti | By the way, if someone can test/vote it there, it would be nice. It's the app that shows how high you can throw your phone | 10:18 |
| cpscotti | (n900fly) | 10:19 |
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| pekuja | does n900fly have online leaderboards? | 10:21 |
| pekuja | might be pretty dangerous if it did :-P | 10:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: sure I want a circuit diagram :-D | 10:32 |
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| cpscotti | pekuja: I see... that would be a nice idea | 10:37 |
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| cpscotti | pekuja: but! since it is all open source and in python, in less than 5 minutes there would be a 300000km record submitted by a funny guy | 10:38 |
| cpscotti | (unless we added some obscure crypto.. which is not my field...) | 10:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | won't help. This type of highscore reporting competitions has been hacked every single time | 10:40 |
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| pekuja | cpscotti: yeah, that's true | 10:43 |
| cpscotti | sad.. but true... | 10:43 |
| cpscotti | pekuja: you see the big bug at maemo.org at that page? | 10:43 |
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| pekuja | cpscotti: one way that would at least slow cheaters down would be to record a accelerometer input log that would be verified by the leaderboard server | 10:44 |
| pekuja | cpscotti: I can see that you've voted like five times | 10:44 |
| glass_ | it needs automatic youtube upload for record runs | 10:44 |
| pekuja | :-) | 10:45 |
| pekuja | the problem is, that would probably just look really weird | 10:45 |
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| cpscotti | pekuja: yes.. I thought about that, simply sending a "accdisplay"-like xml file would be ok... but even then.. it's not stopping cheaters.. just making it harder | 10:45 |
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| pekuja | especially if the phone is spinning | 10:45 |
| pekuja | cpscotti: true | 10:45 |
| cpscotti | glass_: yes.. the youtube thing.. is a good one indeed!! | 10:45 |
| cpscotti | pekuja: the file would just be blank for all the flight.. | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cpscotti: harder? no way | 10:46 |
| cpscotti | (x,y,z) = 0,0,0 | 10:46 |
| pekuja | by the way, is there an estimated battery life somewhere in N900's UI? | 10:46 |
| cpscotti | DocScrutinizer51: more "time consuming" | 10:46 |
| pekuja | I can only find the visual indicator that doesn't really tell me how much I have left | 10:46 |
| cpscotti | pekuja: NO! and that pisses me off! so I do "lshal | grep bat" at the shell.. and watch the battery.reporting value | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pekuja: no | 10:47 |
| slonopotamus | pekuja, no because it would make you sad | 10:47 |
| pekuja | :-/ | 10:47 |
| cpscotti | It's totally dumb that they don't have an estimate | 10:47 |
| pekuja | is there a separate app or widget for that? | 10:47 |
| pekuja | slonopotamus: heh :-/ | 10:47 |
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| cpscotti | pekuja: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24905&highlight=advanced+power | 10:48 |
| cpscotti | (never tried yet.. but seems good) | 10:48 |
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| xeviox | is it possible to use scratchbox2 for maemo development? | 10:49 |
| * cpscotti leaving for his first airport day since I got the proper tool for such a task! n900 | 10:50 | |
| xeviox | I'm not able to get scratchbox running on my ubuntu :( | 10:50 |
| cpscotti | xeviox: search about vdso=0 | 10:50 |
| cpscotti | xeviox: which is your version? Karmic Koala? | 10:51 |
| xeviox | cpscotti: is it about the kernel option? I'm not that experienced with linux, so I don't know how to change the kernel version .. | 10:51 |
| slonopotamus | err... unpacking tarbzip on n900, anyone? | 10:51 |
| cpscotti | xeviox: well.. that's not too hard.: go to /etc/grub.d/ | 10:52 |
| cpscotti | openn 10_linux, copy the entry that you use | 10:52 |
| xeviox | cpscotti: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala | 10:52 |
| xeviox | k | 10:52 |
| cpscotti | woops.. | 10:52 |
| xeviox | one sec. | 10:52 |
| cpscotti | forget my last line | 10:52 |
| xeviox | k | 10:53 |
| cpscotti | what you have to do is add a custom version to /etc/grub.d/40_custom | 10:53 |
| xeviox | cpscotti: can you point me to a tutorial? | 10:54 |
| xeviox | I'm just a beginner as I said before :( | 10:54 |
| cpscotti | the scratchbox sdk installation one did it for me | 10:54 |
| cpscotti | well.. | 10:54 |
| cpscotti | I gotta go now.. | 10:55 |
| cpscotti | =/ | 10:55 |
| xeviox | oh ok | 10:55 |
| xeviox | thanks | 10:55 |
| cpscotti | but search about adding vdso=0 at the end of a line | 10:55 |
| pekuja | ok, my battery just died | 10:55 |
| cpscotti | linux/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-16-generic root=UUID=ce4b9411-6d6e-4fa8-81f2-b4c4002ef4a4 ro quiet splash vdso32=0 | 10:55 |
| cpscotti | it would be something like this | 10:55 |
| cpscotti | haha | 10:55 |
| pekuja | I should had made a note of when it first reported low battery | 10:55 |
| cpscotti | ok | 10:55 |
| cpscotti | going | 10:55 |
| cpscotti | gone | 10:55 |
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| pekuja | I think I unplugged it yesterday at 8:00, and it's now almost 11:00, so it lasted about 27 hours... I wasn't really using it heavily though | 10:56 |
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| pekuja | I did have WiFi on the whole time and it was checking my e-mail every 30 minutes | 10:59 |
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| pekuja | so I think that's pretty good | 11:00 |
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| pekuja | I should do a kind of stress test some day. | 11:03 |
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| xeviox | argh now I've added the vsdo line which should disable vsdo to get scratchbox running, but I got the same error :( | 11:22 |
| lcuk | konttori | 11:24 |
| gavin | you edited /etc/sysctl.conf | 11:24 |
| gavin | and then ran sysctl -p ? | 11:25 |
| gavin | and then restarted scratchbox? | 11:25 |
| lcuk | if you cant desaturate at the tvout end, you could try a bit earlier | 11:25 |
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| lcuk | doesnt the pvr have pixelshaders? | 11:25 |
| xeviox | gavin: no I edited menu.lst, but I'll try your way :) | 11:25 |
| xeviox | gavin: what do I have to change in /etc/sysctl.conf ? | 11:26 |
| lcuk | but usually you leave the saturation to the hardware at the tv end i believe | 11:26 |
| gavin | xeviox: which linux are you using? | 11:26 |
| xeviox | gavin: Ubuntu 9.10 | 11:26 |
| gavin | oh good, I know how to make that work since I did it yesterday :) | 11:27 |
| xeviox | cool :D | 11:27 |
| gavin | xeviox: simple as http://pastebin.mozilla.org/691739 | 11:27 |
| xeviox | I have searched for hours yesterday .. | 11:27 |
| RST38h | moo lcuk | 11:27 |
| xeviox | gavin: should I add it at the end of the file? | 11:28 |
| lcuk | hey RST38h | 11:28 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: tar -xjvf | 11:28 |
| gavin | xeviox: yes. good to confirm those lines don't already exist, but they shouldn't on a stock ubuntu 9.10 | 11:28 |
| lcuk | RST38h, you bein lazy today? | 11:28 |
| xeviox | gavin: have you added without the "vm."? | 11:30 |
| gavin | no | 11:30 |
| gavin | I added the lines exactly as they are in the pastebin | 11:30 |
| slonopotamus | rst38h, you're missing the point. fremantle busybox tar doesn't have -j. i already unpacked by piping bzcat | tar -x. | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nuke crappybox! | 11:32 |
| xeviox | I've added with "vm." and get the following error: error: "vm.vdso_enabled" is an unknown key / error: "vm.nmap_min_addr" is an unknown key | 11:32 |
| slonopotamus | or just build it less stripped | 11:32 |
| gavin | xeviox: it's "vm.mmap_min_addr" | 11:32 |
| gavin | "mmap", not "nmap" | 11:33 |
| gavin | I recommend using copy/paste! :) | 11:33 |
| xeviox | k I'll retry ^ | 11:33 |
| RST38h | lcuk: not really, just doing a few housekeeping things | 11:34 |
| RST38h | slono: Oh. =( | 11:34 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Ready to start another "maemo.org admins suck" thread on tmo =( | 11:34 |
| xeviox | gavin: error "vm.vdso_enabled" is an unknown key | 11:34 |
| lcuk | start something better | 11:34 |
| lcuk | the admins are busy | 11:34 |
| xeviox | but seems that he have parsed "vm.mmap_min_addr = 4096" | 11:35 |
| lcuk | do you ever watch: http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ | 11:35 |
| lcuk | to see just what might be happening | 11:35 |
| lcuk | xeviox, the SDK 5 GUI installer happily sorts out all that stuff for a normal scratchbox install | 11:36 |
| gavin | xeviox: here's my exact /etc/sysctl.conf: https://people.mozilla.com/~gavin/fennec/sysctl.conf | 11:37 |
| lcuk | if you have gone off the rails tho and tried a different way, not sure how much use it will be | 11:37 |
| lcuk | but that issue has been documented often | 11:37 |
| lcuk | it works really well on ubuntu 9.10 | 11:37 |
| lcuk | (i know cos i use it here) | 11:37 |
| xeviox | maybe the problem is related to my x64 ubuntu :( | 11:37 |
| * gavin hasn't used the sdk 5 installer | 11:37 | |
| lcuk | ewwww | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas you're on your own on RPM based systems.AIUI | 11:38 |
| xeviox | last 2 lines looking the same in my file | 11:38 |
| lcuk | xeviox, i believe the installer should know something about it, but as a fallback i hear lots of x64 people just make a VM | 11:38 |
| xeviox | hmm | 11:38 |
| xeviox | will check a post I've found .. | 11:38 |
| lcuk | there is certainly a LOT of documentation about these kind of normal things | 11:39 |
| lcuk | around the sdk installation instructions | 11:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I can't start something better, because I need to push stuff into Extras | 11:39 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 11:39 |
| lcuk | RST38h, ditto | 11:39 |
| xeviox | k, I've to add a kernel boot parameter | 11:39 |
| xeviox | ^^ | 11:39 |
| lcuk | i just got liqtorch and liqflow into extras \o/ | 11:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: And I fail to understand what admins are busy with, given that their primary goal of making maemo.org work is not accomplished | 11:40 |
| xeviox | will check the menu.lst file .. | 11:40 |
| lcuk | and i pushed a whole new app to -testing last night | 11:40 |
| lcuk | liqacceltests | 11:40 |
| RST38h | just getting worse | 11:40 |
| lcuk | which has all the funky stuff i normally play with accelerometer wise | 11:40 |
| lcuk | but has smoothed/unsmoothed | 11:40 |
| lcuk | to see difference | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: (VM) isn't there a ready built vmware or virtualbox image? | 11:40 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, there may be, but its always out of date | 11:40 |
| lcuk | and x64 folks are normally savvy enough to just DIY | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-/ | 11:41 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, i do see, and as an outside dev watching some projects i get equally frustrated | 11:41 |
| xeviox | <- reboot .. | 11:41 |
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| lcuk | but those are the things, just because i know how to change a lightbulb on my car, i wouldnt second guess my mechanic :S | 11:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I do not think it can be qualified this way any longer | 11:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is more like the mechanis who is supposed to be taking care of your car has not been doing it for weeks, citing "better things to do" | 11:43 |
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| xeviox | hope it will work ^^ | 11:43 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I promoted 3 packages to Extas over the last couple of days. They have not appeared in Extras. | 11:43 |
| xeviox | YEAH | 11:43 |
| lcuk | o_O | 11:44 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I tried contacting XFade or jeremiah, but neither of them is available | 11:44 |
| xeviox | looks pretty good | 11:44 |
| lcuk | thats not good then | 11:45 |
| RST38h | lcuk: The library packages problem is responded with "We will not let you fix the problem because if you fix the problem yourself then nobody is going to fix it, ever" | 11:45 |
| xeviox | yeah installer downloads the files :D | 11:45 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Which is as close to bullshit as it can possibly get | 11:45 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: The voting threshold that we agreed to lower to 5 1+ month ago, has not been lowered | 11:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: With jeremiah saying that he does not want to change XFade's code and XFade citing "other things to do" | 11:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Mind you, it is most likely 1 (one) digit in some file. | 11:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Anyways, this is really getting out of hand | 11:47 |
| lcuk | :( | 11:47 |
| lcuk | i know x has had a massive backlog | 11:48 |
| xeviox | gavin: thanks for the help :) | 11:48 |
| lcuk | and have seen some things come through | 11:48 |
| lcuk | demotion worked, i got a load of mails | 11:48 |
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| slonopotamus | err | 11:50 |
| slonopotamus | n900 doesn't have initfs? | 11:51 |
| xeviox | do I need the Nokia closed binaries? | 11:52 |
| lcuk | if you want an easier experience, yeah | 11:52 |
| slonopotamus | and no docs to boot n900 from sd? | 11:53 |
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| xeviox | lcuk: easier experience? | 11:53 |
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| xeviox | which editor can I use in scratchbox? | 11:58 |
| xeviox | and do I have to add the line on both targets? (x86 and arm) | 11:58 |
| fnordianslip | vi, nano | 11:58 |
| fnordianslip | or access the files from the host's GUI and use gedit or similar | 11:59 |
| xeviox | when I change it in scratchbox | 12:00 |
| xeviox | do I have to change it in both targets | 12:00 |
| xeviox | ? | 12:00 |
| fnordianslip | sorry, change what? | 12:00 |
| * fnordianslip thinks of resolve.conf | 12:01 | |
| PaulFertser | slonopotamus: btw, did you install a kernel with larger dmesg buffer so one can see an unabridged version? | 12:01 |
| PaulFertser | slonopotamus: also i think /proc/cmdline along with cat /proc/mtd, cat /proc/mounts and some stuff like that will tell you for sure if it boots from initfs or not. | 12:03 |
| lcuk | nice, etherpad open sourced http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/12/19/0059221/Google-Open-Sources-Etherpad-Piratepad-Launches?art_pos=1 | 12:03 |
| xeviox | fnordianslip: I want to add the Nokia closed binaries, for that I should change a line in scratchbox, so do I have to change it on both targets? | 12:03 |
| fnordianslip | what file? | 12:03 |
| xeviox | /etc/apt/sources.list | 12:04 |
| fnordianslip | ah, yep. both targets | 12:04 |
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| xeviox | k thanks :D | 12:04 |
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| xeviox | so am I ready now?? :D | 12:06 |
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| xeviox | does scratchbox come with a compiler? | 12:07 |
| lcuk | scratchbox doesnt | 12:07 |
| lcuk | but a compiler is one of the principle things in your target | 12:07 |
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| fnordianslip | cross-compiler | 12:08 |
| xeviox | ah k | 12:08 |
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| xeviox | so if I get it right I have to code on my host and then save all files on the specific target and compile it there? | 12:08 |
| fnordianslip | your scratchbox home folder is shared between targets, so put a project in their, and it will be accessible from both x86 and armel target systems | 12:09 |
| fnordianslip | there, even | 12:09 |
| fnordianslip | so, build it for x86, debug it, switch target to armel, build it again, then deploy on device | 12:10 |
| xeviox | ah ok | 12:10 |
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| xeviox | and when I want to use qt for example I have to put it in the home folder too, and then compile it for both? | 12:11 |
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| lcuk | or just use armel mode and make full use of scp and ssh | 12:11 |
| fnordianslip | or skip the x86 bit and go straight for the device install. debuggers are for girls :) | 12:11 |
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| xeviox | ^^ | 12:11 |
| Myrtti | *cough* | 12:12 |
| * lcuk waves @ Myrtti \o | 12:12 | |
| fnordianslip | sneeze. although gdb is quite manly | 12:12 |
| lcuk | fnordianslip, you fixed the wrong thing | 12:12 |
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| fnordianslip | i haven'r fixed anything, guvnor | 12:13 |
| fnordianslip | can't spell today | 12:13 |
| fnordianslip | what? | 12:13 |
| fnordianslip | you mean my sexist comment ^^ | 12:14 |
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| * RST38h moos at Myrtti | 12:15 | |
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| Myrtti | don't worry, I've given up on educating idiots that geekyness and female gender can overlap. It's a futile battle anyway | 12:16 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: moo | 12:16 |
| fnordianslip | sorry. i believe you. force of habit though. | 12:17 |
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| xeviox | are you developing in pure c for maemo? | 12:18 |
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| lcuk | xeviox, i am, yeah | 12:21 |
| fnordianslip | eek. I prefer C++ | 12:21 |
| fnordianslip | or ython | 12:21 |
| fnordianslip | with a p | 12:21 |
| lcuk | i would too, but compilation time on the device is a limiting factor | 12:21 |
| lcuk | and i needed a library which can be used by any language | 12:21 |
| fnordianslip | ah yes. you still deving on the N900 lcuk? | 12:22 |
| lcuk | not at the moment | 12:22 |
| lcuk | the scratchbox on my laptop seems to work for now for things | 12:22 |
| lcuk | and ive reverted to scp ssh | 12:22 |
| fnordianslip | much faster I expect. i used to build stuff on my NSLU2 and it took forever. distcc helped | 12:23 |
| lcuk | nahh | 12:23 |
| lcuk | my stuff is small and light | 12:23 |
| lcuk | 1 or 2 small modules | 12:23 |
| lcuk | linked to small libliqbase runtime | 12:23 |
| lcuk | its not heavy at all | 12:23 |
| * fnordianslip would like an optified build system for target | 12:24 | |
| lcuk | if i have to rebuild everything, then yeah its a bit longer, but thats just a reminder to cook bacon otr something | 12:24 |
| lcuk | fnordianslip, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=434257&postcount=21 | 12:24 |
| frals | would be awesome to be able to have both 3g and wlan up at the same time, would make testing a lot easier ;P | 12:24 |
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| fnordianslip | some compile jobs took > 12 hours on my NSLU2 | 12:25 |
| lcuk | frals, usbnet | 12:25 |
| lcuk | well thats just sick | 12:25 |
| lcuk | build to capabilities | 12:25 |
| frals | cheers lcuk, ill have a look at that | 12:26 |
| slonopotamus | init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 | 12:26 |
| slonopotamus | so it ignores initfs? | 12:26 |
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| * lcuk is goin bowling soon | 12:27 | |
| lcuk | gonna get ass kicked by the kids as usual | 12:27 |
| frals | oh bowling is awesome :) | 12:28 |
| lcuk | its normally "roll the ball down the gutter for a couple of hours" | 12:28 |
| fnordianslip | at least you have a choice of gutters | 12:29 |
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| * RST38h agrees with lcuk | 12:30 | |
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| PaulFertser | slonopotamus: so it uses ubi0:rootfs as a root partition. | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Pointless. But at least lcuk will have his tablet to program on =) | 12:30 |
| PaulFertser | slonopotamus: no idea if there's a special initfs mtd partition in there or not. It should be easy for you to find out. | 12:31 |
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| fnordianslip | cat /proc/mtd says mtd4 | 12:32 |
| slonopotamus | paulfertset, there is. | 12:32 |
| slonopotamus | but why if it isn't used? | 12:32 |
| PaulFertser | slonopotamus: if you used tab completion, you'd match my nick ;) | 12:33 |
| slonopotamus | stskeeps, ping | 12:33 |
| PaulFertser | slonopotamus: sorry, no idea. The community in here seems to have no control or understanding of such low-level decisions. | 12:33 |
| slonopotamus | paulfertser, if there was tab on n900, i would definitely use it. | 12:34 |
| PolarFox | I see that having too many themes installed will fill your r00t :) | 12:34 |
| slonopotamus | stskeeps, ping | 12:34 |
| lcuk | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/8421789.stm | 12:34 |
| PaulFertser | slonopotamus: O_o i thought maemo guys always knew how to use x-chat the best possible way | 12:34 |
| lcuk | damn cats | 12:34 |
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| lcuk | PaulFertser, the community here generally dont need to deal with such low level decisions | 12:35 |
| RST38h | lcuk: swallowing a crucifix would probably be a much bigger problem though | 12:35 |
| * RST38h cackles | 12:36 | |
| PaulFertser | slonopotamus: do you know that ubi volumes are somewhat like LVM, so it's of interest to use some ubi utility to list all of the container contents etc. | 12:36 |
| * RST38h looks for the TAB key on his N900 | 12:36 | |
| lcuk | anyone seen my baccy | 12:36 |
| fnordianslip | with a xmas tree, i guess there's a right way, and a wrong way to, er, pass it through :) | 12:36 |
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| PaulFertser | lcuk: well, i'm sure it's not true since for multi-boot tweaking initfs on n8x0 was an easy and decent approach. | 12:36 |
| slonopotamus | paultfertser, /proc/mtd lists them | 12:37 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: also kernel config options are essential and are often needed to be tweaked by the community too. | 12:37 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: mer has a modified n810 kernel for a reason. | 12:37 |
| slonopotamus | argh | 12:37 |
| PaulFertser | slonopotamus: i think one ubi container takes all the mtdX space. And then it can have several ubifs "volumes" inside it. | 12:37 |
| lcuk | maemo != mer though. "users" generally dont care about such nonesense | 12:37 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: since when multibooting is a nonsence? | 12:38 |
| lcuk | since its impractical | 12:38 |
| lcuk | "oooh i must reboot to run my spreadsheet" | 12:38 |
| lcuk | "ahhh damn i have to switch off just to play a game" | 12:39 |
| PolarFox | Booting any device at any given time is impractical :) | 12:39 |
| frals | yeah cant brag about uptime when you have to reboot all the time :) | 12:39 |
| bigbrovar | hi guys.. am wondering how i can add msn and yahoo support to the default chat IM on the N900 ( googling didnt help much ) | 12:39 |
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| PolarFox | What kind of a linux user would want to reboot... except when upgrading kernel | 12:39 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: it becomes a necessity if you're using a device that has an insane distro by default and enough proprietary crap to make running a sane distro full-time impractical. | 12:39 |
| lcuk | now once mer gets happy and comfortable and at the flashing stage i can choose "marmo5 fremantle / mer" | 12:40 |
| lcuk | i will be happy | 12:40 |
| lcuk | its not insane tho | 12:40 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: 01:44 < hrw> PaulFertser: since when maemo is sane distro? | 12:40 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: i think he should know better, right? ;) | 12:40 |
| lcuk | indeed, hrw knows what he says and hacks on the device, but is also giving constructive critism and trying to use his device as is and filing bugs | 12:42 |
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| bigbrovar | ok I think i would need to install some telepathy plugins which all seem to be in testing.. hmm guess i will stict to pidgin for now | 12:42 |
| derf | kulve: Ping. | 12:43 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: it's hard for me to give a constructive criticism given an insane development process, especially since i'm low-level-minded guy and maemo has no control whatsoever over hardware, kernel, bootloader and other low-level stuff. | 12:43 |
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| pupnik | btw load-module module-alsa-sink-old sink_name=sink.hw0 device=hw:0 rate=48000 fragment_size=1920 fragments=4 alt_fragment_size=960 alt_fragments=2 | 12:46 |
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| kulve | derf: pong | 12:47 |
| derf | kulve: I wanted to look at packaging the DSP Theora decoder. | 12:47 |
| derf | However, there's a problem. | 12:47 |
| kulve | I didn't know such thing exists.. | 12:48 |
| derf | http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/ | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | slonopotamus: (tab) I remapped that to shift-right for xchat here | 12:48 |
| slonopotamus_ | so, initfs isn't used at all. i wonder why it exists then. | 12:49 |
| kulve | derf: ah, I actually I did read that.. | 12:49 |
| kulve | derf: so, what's the problem? | 12:49 |
| derf | The problem is that, in the version of gstreamer currently being used, gst's oggdemux creates _two_ decoders for each stream. | 12:49 |
| derf | The first one being used solely by the demuxer to convert timestamps. | 12:49 |
| derf | Normally that just wastes some RAM, but when your codec is actually on the DSP, this is significantly more costly. | 12:50 |
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| derf | This little bit of braindamage is fixed in git, but requires updates to all of the Ogg codecs. | 12:51 |
| fnordianslip | d'oh! http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/17/led-traffic-lights-d.html | 12:51 |
| kulve | derf: are the ogg codecs fixed already as well? | 12:51 |
| derf | Yes. | 12:52 |
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| kulve | derf: so, you want me to recompile them with the patches and push new versions to fremantle repositories? | 12:52 |
| derf | That would be most helpful. | 12:53 |
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| kulve | I just tried to push new version with flac tag support, but I'm getting mostly "server timed out" messages from the server.. | 12:53 |
| kulve | server, i.e. garage | 12:53 |
| lcuk | fnordianslip, i read that too, but its not really different to regular signs getting whitewashed | 12:54 |
| derf | Yes, the server's a dying in a thousand uninteresting ways. | 12:54 |
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| kulve | derf: could you create bug reports with patches to e.g. bugs.maemo.org to ogg-support product? That way I could easily see what I need to upgrade and keep track of things? | 12:54 |
| fnordianslip | lcuk: yep, but they didn't change the design of the signs | 12:54 |
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| kulve | derf: or just send me a mail with the patches..? | 12:55 |
| lcuk | traffic light shape is still obviously traffic light | 12:55 |
| lcuk | and if you are following rules | 12:55 |
| lcuk | htey default to a stop sign | 12:55 |
| lcuk | when not working | 12:55 |
| derf | Actually, looking at the git log, there's been a _lot_ of changes to the Ogg stuff in gst recently. | 12:55 |
| fnordianslip | lcuk: still, if they were "required" to operate in snowy conditions, it wouldn't have happened. | 12:55 |
| kulve | derf: I heard. There's e.g. stuff for proper tag parsing | 12:55 |
| derf | Yeah, crazy. | 12:56 |
| kulve | derf: I can't upgrade Nokia's gst core components, I can just upgrade e.g. oggdemux etc. But if the latest oggdemux doesn't work with the older Nokia's base components, then there's a problem | 12:57 |
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| derf | kulve: Right. I have no idea if that's the case or not. | 12:57 |
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| kulve | derf: I can try to do some testing during the xmas holidays, if you could send the patches/file the bug reports. | 12:58 |
| kulve | patches against head | 12:58 |
| derf | Okay. I'm looking through git to try to find the relevant commit now. | 12:58 |
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| derf | I'll see what I can come up with. | 12:58 |
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| derf | kulve: Against head of what? | 12:58 |
| kulve | if the patches are already in the upstream, then I don't need any patches, I'll just take the latest versions | 12:58 |
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| BluesLee | is someone familiar with remapping the hw keys on the n900? | 12:59 |
| PaulFertser | slonopotamus_: have you looked inside the initfs already? What does it look like? | 12:59 |
| kulve | but I'm a bit doubtful that it will go smoothly.. | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | BluesLee: | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I saw a webpage | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | scaramouch scaramouch | 13:00 |
| derf | kulve: Nothing ever does. | 13:00 |
| derf | But yes, the changes are already committed to gst-plugins-base. | 13:00 |
| slonopotamus__ | argh | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.natisbad.org/N900/n900-keyboard-remapping.html | 13:00 |
| slonopotamus__ | err | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | BluesLee: | 13:00 |
| kulve | derf: bbiam | 13:00 |
| derf | You can tell because the function gst_ogg_pad_typefind no longer exists in gstoggdemux.c | 13:00 |
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| slonopotamus__ | and how i mount mtd device? :) | 13:01 |
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| slonopotamus__ | there isn't any /dev/mtdblk* | 13:01 |
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| slonopotamus__ | only /dev/mtdN | 13:02 |
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| PaulFertser | slonopotamus_: if it's ubi, then it should work the ubi way with mtdN | 13:03 |
| slonopotamus__ | 'the ubi way'? | 13:04 |
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| slonopotamus__ | ah, i'll look at root= from kernel cmdline | 13:04 |
| BluesLee | SpeedEvil: i saw that page .. i will try to remap after backuping the orig file | 13:04 |
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| BluesLee | SpeedEvil: i want the the arrow keys directly as for the english kbd + additional keys by using fn and shift | 13:05 |
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| slonopotamus | daamn | 13:06 |
| kulve | derf: you said that this needs changes in "all the Ogg codecs". Do you mean the libraries as well, or the gst plugins using the libraries? | 13:06 |
| slonopotamus | why n900 wifi so weaker than n800? :( | 13:06 |
| SpeedEvil | BluesLee: /me has no clue - I need to try that at some point. | 13:07 |
| derf | kulve: Just in the gst plugins using the libraries. | 13:07 |
| BluesLee | SpeedEvil: it doesnt look hard, i will give you some feedback in some minutes | 13:08 |
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| xeviox | bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found ??? | 13:09 |
| kulve | derf: vorbis, theora, oggdemux comes from the gst-plugins-base and the flac comes from the gst-plugins-good. And these are now changed in the GIT? Do you have any idea, if it the new plugins work with the older gst libraries and base plugins..? | 13:11 |
| xeviox | I want to start the ui framework .. | 13:11 |
| xeviox | but it couldn't find it ? | 13:11 |
| derf | kulve: My understand is tha these have been changed in git. | 13:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Good luck. | 13:11 |
| derf | I do not know if they work with older gst libraries. | 13:11 |
| derf | *understanding | 13:11 |
| derf | Perhaps #gstreamer would know? | 13:12 |
| xeviox | do I have to setup something special to have this script? | 13:12 |
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| kulve | derf: how does the theora dsp stuff work? There's a separate gst plugin using directly the dsp bridge to communicate with the theora dsp decoder? | 13:14 |
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| xeviox | seems to need the nokia binaries which were not setup correctly | 13:14 |
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| derf | kulve: Right now, it works as a drop-in replacement for libtheora. | 13:15 |
| kulve | derf: ok. I guess that's convenient. No need for a separate gst plugin | 13:15 |
| derf | That was part of the idea. | 13:15 |
| kulve | derf: where's the upstream for the dsp libtheora? | 13:15 |
| kulve | http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=ew-leonora-beagle-demo.git;a=summary | 13:16 |
| kulve | that contains something but I'm not sure what.. | 13:16 |
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| derf | If you dig through that, you'll actually find it downloads the code from three other git repositories to build it. | 13:16 |
| derf | http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=ogg-c64x.git;a=summary | 13:16 |
| kulve | do you know if the license of that is something that can be redistributed? | 13:17 |
| derf | http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=theora-c64x.git;a=summary | 13:17 |
| derf | http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=leonora.git;a=summary | 13:17 |
| derf | Yes, it can. | 13:17 |
| derf | You'll find commits in there from me, as well. | 13:17 |
| BluesLee | SpeedEvil: works | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 13:19 |
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| kulve | derf: is there any downsides in using the DSP compared to the "normal" libtheora? | 13:21 |
| BluesLee | SpeedEvil: i think the entries in rx-51 work like direct acces-shift-fn-shift+fn | 13:21 |
| derf | kulve: It's more limited in the size of the streams it can decode right now. | 13:22 |
| derf | Because it uses a fixed heap size. | 13:22 |
| derf | Ah, finally found the commit. | 13:22 |
| derf | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-base/commit/?id=72edd1467bcb5040d1e89e782fc46059743e8646 | 13:23 |
| kulve | derf: I'm wondering if there will be more problems than benefits from switching to DSP version | 13:23 |
| derf | Thanks for the helpful log message, ds. | 13:23 |
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| derf | kulve: I'm not suggesting replacing it outright in ogg-support yet. | 13:24 |
| BluesLee | i have some problems running frozen-bubble and mame | 13:24 |
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| derf | But I need something I can test. | 13:24 |
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| kulve | derf: has somebody tested that on n900 already..? | 13:24 |
| derf | kulve: I have. | 13:24 |
| derf | But not in gstreamer. | 13:25 |
| derf | The next steps start requiring changes to the gstreamer theora plugin. | 13:25 |
| derf | E.g., to output directly to the display device. | 13:25 |
| derf | Like the other DSP codecs do. | 13:25 |
| kulve | do they? | 13:25 |
| kulve | they used to, but I thought they are now using the normal XV? | 13:26 |
| tigert | http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/4197270996/ | 13:26 |
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| derf | Hmm, really? | 13:26 |
| derf | Where did you see that? | 13:27 |
| BluesLee | SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.ca/1720295 | 13:27 |
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| Myrtti | pp | 13:31 |
| kulve | derf: e.g. "gst-launch videotestsrc ! xvimagesink" works just fine | 13:31 |
| kulve | on 770 nokia rendered video directly to hw but that cause quite many issues. Like menus getting below the video etc. | 13:32 |
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| derf | kulve: That's not the same thing as what I said. | 13:32 |
| derf | videotestsrc is not a dsp codec. | 13:32 |
| kulve | sure | 13:32 |
| derf | I'm not saying xv doesn't _work. | 13:32 |
| derf | *_work_ | 13:32 |
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| derf | I'm saying it's inefficient. | 13:32 |
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| kulve | /GstPlayBin2:playbin20/GstPlaySink:playsink0/GstBin:vbin/GstAutoVideoSink:videosink/GstXvImageSink:videosink-actual-sink-xvimage.GstPad:sink: caps = video/x-raw-yuv, format=(fourcc)UYVY, width=(int)800, height=(int)480, framerate=(fraction)2997/125 | 13:34 |
| kulve | that's a line from the "gst-launch -v playbin2 uri=file:///home/user/MyDocs/.videos/9.mp4" output | 13:34 |
| derf | The problem is, when you finish decoding on the DSP side, in order for the host to read back the data and copy it to Xv, it has to invalidate its caches. | 13:34 |
| derf | I'm seeing it spend something like 25% of all decoding time in the kernel call to do that invalidation. | 13:34 |
| derf | Which is insane. | 13:35 |
| derf | This is why I thought all the other dsp codecs wrote directly to display memory themselves. | 13:35 |
| derf | (or rather, was told) | 13:36 |
| kulve | then downsides might be bigger than the performance gain.. | 13:36 |
| derf | AFAICT there's no source for any of them, so it's impossible to say. | 13:36 |
| kulve | well, there's source code for the xvimagesink. Adding some debugs there probably tells quite a lot? | 13:36 |
| kulve | or just enabling them | 13:37 |
| kulve | it's clearly using the gst's xvimagesink for something when playing the mp4 video | 13:37 |
| derf | I suspect that's deceptive. | 13:38 |
| kulve | I don't :) | 13:38 |
| kulve | but I need get going now. bbl. | 13:38 |
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| derf | Partly because the code in gst-dsp to do the cache invalidation is broken, and has always been broken. | 13:39 |
| derf | So if they were really using it, you should be able to see visible artifacts. | 13:39 |
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| kulve | decode and stream the video to your desktop? | 13:44 |
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| kulve | well, I don't know enough about the issue.. | 13:44 |
| kulve | but I believe they are using XV until I'm proven otherwise :) | 13:45 |
| derf | Okay. I'll continue to believe what I was told by gst developers. | 13:45 |
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| red | meh, anyone know if any updates are incoming to the browser flash component? youtube/etc flash stream videos are unwatchable (2 seconds per frame with fluent sound on he back) | 13:46 |
| kulve | derf: I'm sure there's an easy way to test it.. | 13:48 |
| Ceron | tigert: how to use maemo geo location :P | 13:48 |
| Ceron | on google maps | 13:48 |
| kulve | derf: is the issue showing it from the host side or getting it to the host side? If the latter, then streaming video to your PC should tell something? | 13:49 |
| BluesLee | chmod doesnt seem to work here, very odd! | 13:49 |
| valdyn | BluesLee: never works on fat filesystems | 13:49 |
| derf | kulve: It should be the latter. | 13:49 |
| derf | I don't know what "streaming video to your PC" means. | 13:49 |
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| BluesLee | valdyn: right, i should move it to root | 13:50 |
| kulve | decode -> encapsulate to rtp -> udpsink -> network -> udpsource -> rtpdemux -> decode -> xvimagesink | 13:50 |
| kulve | but now I'm really gone | 13:50 |
| valdyn | BluesLee: /opt | 13:50 |
| BluesLee | valdyn: nevertheless there should be some feedback or warning | 13:50 |
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| derf | I don't think rtp could stream decoded video at the speeds the N900 is capable of. | 13:51 |
| BluesLee | valdyn: thanks | 13:52 |
| kulve | derf: first decode should have been "encode" | 13:52 |
| derf | Aren't all the encoders dsp-side? | 13:53 |
| derf | I'm not sure how that proves anything. | 13:53 |
| kulve | hmm.. yeah. It wouldn'e be the same. Well, decode and use filesink :) | 13:55 |
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| PaulFertser | slonopotamus: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubifs.html#L_mount_ubifs | 14:11 |
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| lcukn900 | striiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike | 14:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | red: youtube works ok for me | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | or did | 14:49 |
| * SpeedEvil checks | 14:49 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I get >8fps | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not as smooth as on the desktop - but it's _way_ better than 2fps | 14:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | otoh - 'hd' is lots more jerky - down to as low as 3ishfps - on high move scenes | 15:01 |
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| pekuja | scored a CP-321 :-) | 15:02 |
| pekuja | a nice case, but I think I have to practice getting the phone out of it quickly to answer calls :-P | 15:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | lol - flashfail. | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | flash 'hd' from youtube - in flash player - ~4fps | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | mplayer - ~50 | 15:13 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, lol | 15:13 |
| Termana | no one has ever doubted that flash sucks | 15:14 |
| jaem | except maybe Adobe | 15:14 |
| jaem | but I doubt it | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I hadn't expected it to be quite that bad though. | 15:16 |
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| Termana | Heres to hoping HTML5 will get rid of the shiz | 15:17 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, that on device? | 15:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 15:21 |
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| ShadowJK | using mplayer from extras-devel? | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 15:21 |
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| * SpeedEvil checks the file was actually the same | 15:22 | |
| ShadowJK | Try benchmark with this binary: http://enivax.net/jk/mplayer-n900/01/mplayer.gz | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | for more lulz | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | it actually has some neon | 15:22 |
| sp3000 | tigert: the cutest effect is when the js idle suspension hits, and the bubble replays your route when you look at it the next time ;) | 15:22 |
| Myrtti | ha | 15:23 |
| Myrtti | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6877 | 15:23 |
| povbot | Bug 6877: Pin / lock code entry dialog reveals digits on backspace | 15:23 |
| Myrtti | that's in Diablo too | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - same file | 15:23 |
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| lcukn900 | help what can i do to stop the kids beating me @ bowling | 15:26 |
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| Termana | lol | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: dependancy problems - speex | 15:27 |
| Termana | hit em in the head with the ball "accidently" | 15:27 |
| Myrtti | lcukn900: more beer | 15:27 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yeah that's a bit odd, it was installed by default in the maemo5sdk vm image :) | 15:28 |
| SpeedEvil | prolly more | 15:28 |
| lcukn900 | i have to drive back, perhaps thats the prob | 15:28 |
| ShadowJK | apt-get install libspeex1 worked for me | 15:28 |
| Termana | alternatively, give the kids bear | 15:28 |
| Termana | beer* | 15:28 |
| Termana | :P | 15:28 |
| lcukn900 | haha | 15:28 |
| ShadowJK | the rest of the dependencies looked rather sane | 15:28 |
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| lcukn900 | termana thats a rly great idea | 15:29 |
| ShadowJK | I should try build another one with teh screen-blanking prevention patch too | 15:29 |
| wazd_n800 | hello everyone | 15:30 |
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| Stskeeps | heya wazd | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | wazd, how is marina coming along btw? | 15:31 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, anyway, with the N900 video that was included on the device, my mplayer build benchmarked approx 20% faster than the one in extras-devel ;-) | 15:32 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, my netbook is too weak to work with its template unfortunately | 15:32 |
| ShadowJK | The downside is that it's unbuildable with the standard sdk | 15:32 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: ick, okay - will live with what i have atm | 15:37 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, I'll compile new version with various bugfixes on monday | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 15:42 |
| * SpeedEvil wants to setup on device building anyway | 15:44 | |
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| jaem | SpeedEvil, if you get it working, please let me know, or at least post it on the forums - I've been wanting to do that, but haven't had the time to figure it out | 15:48 |
| * jaem yawns | 15:48 | |
| jaem | night, #maemo | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: "" | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | night | 15:49 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, there are some problems with mer ui designing, caused by low-res portrait screens :) | 15:53 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, but I'm working on that) | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: yeah, portrsait is a bitch | 15:53 |
| Termana | portrait even Stskeeps? | 15:57 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, but I'm sure I'll solve it | 16:00 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, that's an interesting task) | 16:00 |
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| rashed2020 | How many hours does someone usually charge a phone when they first get it? | 16:04 |
| Guest35630 | how can I prevent apt-get to install apps onto /root partition and instead use /home? Root fills up after I install a couple of apps | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | rashed2020: it's charged soewhat whren it comes | 16:05 |
| rashed2020 | SpeedEvil: So all that "Charge for 8 hours the first time" stuff is all old news? | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | rashed2020: Pretty much. | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Especially as it should in anyt case be fully charged after a couple of hours at most | 16:06 |
| rashed2020 | Great. | 16:07 |
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| rashed2020 | I just got an N900 I'm so excited. | 16:07 |
| jaem | rashed2020, \o/ | 16:07 |
| jaem | have fun | 16:07 |
| rashed2020 | Oh I will!! | 16:08 |
| rashed2020 | I have so much planned for it. | 16:08 |
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| ShadowJK | the "charge for 24 hours" or whatever was only ever valid with NIMH batteries | 16:13 |
| red | ahh, bluetooth tethering works like a charm :) | 16:13 |
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| red | took a moment to figure it out and im not sure if the app from extras-devel (just installed it but didnt run it I think, unless its automatic) | 16:36 |
| pupnik | ? | 16:38 |
| pupnik | bad day here | 16:40 |
| pupnik | no work done | 16:40 |
| RST38h | isn't it saturday? | 16:41 |
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| * pupnik checks | 16:41 | |
| pupnik | yup | 16:42 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, that's why no work's done :;D | 16:42 |
| * SpeedEvil checks 4chan. | 16:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | yup. | 16:42 |
| ShadowJK | is *.maemo.org down yet? another sign it's weekend | 16:42 |
| red | :D | 16:43 |
| red | usb tethering latency still not that great :) | 16:43 |
| ShadowJK | do you mean usb adds latency? | 16:44 |
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| red | meh | 16:44 |
| red | ment to say bluetooth, not usb :) | 16:44 |
| red | bt tether latency is higher than usb is what i ment | 16:44 |
| red | not a big surprise there though | 16:44 |
| red | 250ms -> 400ms ping | 16:45 |
| cehteh | woot | 16:45 |
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| ShadowJK | oh that's pretty bad :) | 16:45 |
| ShadowJK | that constantly or just for first ping? | 16:46 |
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| ShadowJK | what about ping -i 0.5? | 16:46 |
| red | pingtest | 16:46 |
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| pupnik | what would be the best path to a user-friendly maemo5 key remapper? | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: write one? | 16:46 |
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| pupnik | use xmodmap or modify hildon map file? | 16:47 |
| pupnik | thats not an answer btw SpeedEvil | 16:47 |
| pupnik | you dont always have to type something | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I do. | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | If I let ten lines go by without an answer, I get an electric shock. | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | More seriously, I'm trying to avoid finishing my floor insulation. | 16:49 |
| * SpeedEvil gets his saw. | 16:49 | |
| red | over bluetooth: http://www.speedtest.net/result/657263876.png | 16:52 |
| red | over usb: http://www.speedtest.net/result/657267966.png | 16:52 |
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| red | @ ShadowJK | 16:52 |
| ShadowJK | yes, well, speedtest claims my 1mbit connection is 5mbit. | 16:52 |
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| red | might be a shittily configured speedtest server | 16:53 |
| red | for me its given quite real results | 16:53 |
| red | but you can also feel the difference when its that big =) | 16:53 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 16:54 |
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| red | I hope the Bluetooth tethering performance gets better | 17:06 |
| red | but atleast it works now so I can use it for quick connection when needed | 17:06 |
| red | I have three dial up connections up on my PC now, for 1 more week :D | 17:07 |
| red | 1.7mpbs \,,\ | 17:07 |
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| red | fast connection -> browser, 2nd fastest -> torrents, slowest -> irc :D | 17:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | wgfet to keren | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | wget to kernel.org works ok | 17:09 |
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| rashed2020 | Do the lights at the top stay a certain color when the phone is done charging? | 17:11 |
| ShadowJK | red, I download torrents on a server, split into 50 pieces, and download one piece at a time on multiple connections ;) | 17:11 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 17:13 | |
| timeless_mbp | do we have someone who deals w/ bloggers? | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.symbianoasis.com/2009/12/nokia-n900-mozilla-firefox.html | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | seems like spam | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | it has a picture of an n810 | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | a link to a os2007 repo | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | and a title relating to the n900 | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | only if its on pl.m.o i guess | 17:14 |
| red | ShadowJK: I could utilize a server too, but theres some memory problems atm so Im only ircing thru it now | 17:14 |
| red | too much work to make new screen and reload torrents every day due crashesh :p | 17:15 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 17:15 |
| red | sysadmin is somewhere in germany until new year | 17:15 |
| red | and the other guys cba to troubleshoot :) | 17:15 |
| ShadowJK | hehe | 17:16 |
| red | free use for me so cant really complain, and been that way for 9 years ^^ | 17:16 |
| red | the reason I still use it is that its located at one ISP's server room, so the connection is really good | 17:16 |
| ShadowJK | I had a nic/saunalahti shell for 5 years and then they just kicked me off without warning and the customer support people were like "huh, unix, what's that" | 17:17 |
| red | when the hardware works stable enuff :p | 17:17 |
| * ShadowJK even paid for it! | 17:17 | |
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| red | gg | 17:17 |
| red | other issues are the few users apart from me not cleaning up their download directories | 17:19 |
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| red | then I go and remove old video torrents :p | 17:19 |
| red | like diskspace was endless pff! | 17:19 |
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| ml-N900 | does the n900 normally ignore when you tell the gps to turn off? | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | how are you telling it to turn the GPS off? | 17:22 |
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| odin_ | I am stamping on the corner of it | 17:22 |
| ml-N900 | unchecking enable in the gps dialog | 17:23 |
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| ShadowJK | is network positioning also turned off? | 17:23 |
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| ml-N900 | yes | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ml-N900: it will still report cached position I think | 17:23 |
| ml-N900 | hmm | 17:23 |
| ml-N900 | ah well | 17:23 |
| odin_ | does it ever report "Lost" ? | 17:24 |
| * SpeedEvil sees what happens when you disable gps and start maps. | 17:24 | |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - pops up a box, and shows last known location | 17:24 |
| odin_ | the mapping program says "Get Lost!" ? | 17:24 |
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| odin_ | almost time for to take my N900 on a tour of the world | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | is it me, or does maps break the normal UI paradigms? | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | in terms of the top bar | 17:26 |
| odin_ | its written by nokia, so its not subject to the UI design rules, ha ha | 17:26 |
| odin_ | one rule for garage and another for nokia | 17:27 |
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| odin_ | can you get a GPS fix from insite an airplane? | 17:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | often, yes | 17:27 |
| pupnik | n900 just did an instant-off here while typing in terminal | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | some windows however are coated so you can't | 17:28 |
| odin_ | is the battery flat ? | 17:28 |
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| pupnik | full. just fyi | 17:28 |
| pupnik | i am messing with stuff though | 17:28 |
| pupnik | what does the little webcam icon do | 17:30 |
| pupnik | with the "rec".. screen record? | 17:31 |
| pupnik | think its added by the cpu onitor/screenshot prog | 17:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | it screencasts | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | or is purported to. | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never tried it | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | screencasts | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think it would be quite reasonable to have a few key shortcuts: double ctrl-BS = switch back to last task. On dashboard move a 'curser' with the arrow keys, select with spacer or enter. Generally maemo should be usable even without poinerdevice/touchscreen | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: it actually creates screencastXY.avi files in .videos. Alas with black screen here | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | here too | 17:34 |
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| pupnik_ | "unable to connect to one or more accounts" - not a helpful error message | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sympthom of the 'it's for dummies' attitude | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | NOKIA: we all can read manpages! | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | we even could learn to set locale correctly | 17:42 |
| GAN900 | Hardly | 17:43 |
| GAN900 | The vast majority of Maemo users don't know what a manpage is, let alone how to read one. | 17:44 |
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| derf | The rest of us wouldn't want manpages on our device, wasting precious / space. | 17:49 |
| RST38h | GAN: Quick question: how do I become a package maintainer nowadays? Who has to approve my request? | 17:50 |
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| ShadowJK | need optified manpages ;) | 17:51 |
| ShadowJK | they could even live in MyDocs, I think | 17:51 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, dunno | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: locale doesn't work anyway | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | derf: aha. Not speaking for all of the rest of us | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | so i don't see what you're angling after | 17:52 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Most new N900 users seem to be unable to read, so I think it makes no difference | 17:52 |
| RST38h | manpages, no manpages... | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: that's exactly my point | 17:52 |
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| derf | Really, these days people Google for manpages. | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean outside scope:maemo | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | derf: btw. this is a internet tablet. I'm sure you need no help to figure how to read manpages even when they're not stored on your precious 32GB | 17:54 |
| derf | I'm not the one who has a problem reading manpages. | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fsck' my first linux system had a HD not even EWGB | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 32GB | 17:55 |
| derf | And I never said anything about 32GB, I said /, which is 256MB. | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and you bet there was plenty of room for manpages | 17:56 |
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| derf | And given that all these useless locales were dumped on /, I wouldn't hold out much hope for Nokia getting manpages in the right place. | 17:56 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 17:57 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders if qt4 is in / or /opt | 17:58 | |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: sometimes you want to read the manpage of exactly the version you have on device. And sometimes you need to read the damn pages exactly to be able to go online :) | 17:58 |
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| derf | Now to decide if it's worth fighting with garage today, or to just give up. | 17:59 |
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| derf | I must say the outages and horrendous performance has done a great job of killing my motivation. | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | derf: ack | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | incredible | 18:00 |
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| * PaulFertser keeps "the community" joke for himself | 18:01 | |
| RST38h | derf: btw have you notice that you can no longe purge the locales on n900? | 18:01 |
| derf | RST38h: Purge? | 18:01 |
| derf | What's wrong with rm? | 18:01 |
| RST38h | derf: ah, you have not noticed yet? | 18:01 |
| derf | Nope. | 18:01 |
| RST38h | derf: all the locales are cached in some huge multi-MB file, tools for managing which are not available | 18:02 |
| derf | That's awesome. | 18:02 |
| derf | Good job all around. | 18:02 |
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| jaska | bloat! | 18:02 |
| PaulFertser | In the minds of nokia engineers, indeed. | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wow | 18:03 |
| derf | Hey, I bet they could do the same thing with manpages. | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | it's been a fundamental failure to have Vusr Vvar et al on rootfs in the first place | 18:05 |
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| RST38h | derf: That is actually not Nokia | 18:05 |
| RST38h | derf: That is GNU | 18:05 |
| RST38h | "But with N900 as a developer - I would love to use QT - but QT for commercial applications is charged at $3000,- for a single platform." -- Join date Dec 2009 | 18:06 |
| arachnist | wtf | 18:06 |
| RST38h | tf | 18:06 |
| * SpeedEvil thinks someone is confused | 18:06 | |
| arachnist | QT has been LGPL since... qt-4.0? | 18:06 |
| RST38h | Speed: like...permanently. | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | It wasn't close to $3000 - even for commercial apps - before the change was it? | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC something more like $99 | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | but my memory may be faulty | 18:07 |
| cehteh | it was expensive many years ago | 18:07 |
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| PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i think it was $2000 minimum just about 2 years ago. | 18:08 |
| derf | Okay, I still can't figure out how promote new versions from devels to testing. | 18:08 |
| derf | So I think "giving up" is going to win. | 18:09 |
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| RST38h | derf: this I can help you with | 18:09 |
| derf | RST38h: Okay, I'm all ears. | 18:09 |
| RST38h | derf: In exchange for agreeing to apply some tar and feathers to Niels next monday =) | 18:09 |
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| RST38h | derf: what is your -devel package name? | 18:10 |
| derf | That _I_ can help with. | 18:10 |
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| derf | RST38h: gjiten 2.6-1maemo5 | 18:11 |
| RST38h | ok | 18:11 |
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| RST38h | dictionaries too? | 18:12 |
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| derf | No, they don't need to be updated (yet). | 18:12 |
| RST38h | ok, you logged in? | 18:12 |
| derf | Hmm, I thought I was, but apparently not. | 18:12 |
| derf | Oh, that was the problem. | 18:13 |
| ShadowJK | gjiten, is that a dictionary? | 18:14 |
| derf | Yes. | 18:14 |
| RST38h | log in please | 18:14 |
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| derf | RST38h: I've already clicked the "Promote package" button that now appeared. | 18:14 |
| RST38h | derf: Now, navigate to http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/gjiten/2.6-1maemo5 and click PROMOTE PACKAGE | 18:14 |
| ShadowJK | derf, what languages? | 18:14 |
| derf | ShadowJK: Japanese<->English. | 18:14 |
| RST38h | derf: Ok, now replace armel with i386 and do the same | 18:14 |
| ShadowJK | derf, do you have input method emulation stuff? | 18:15 |
| derf | ShadowJK: No, someone else was working on that. | 18:15 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 18:15 |
| derf | I offered to help, but haven't heard back. | 18:15 |
| derf | Mainly because if I don't, no one will port skk. | 18:16 |
| derf | And I can't stand anthy. | 18:16 |
| ShadowJK | Oh well, it already beats Nokia's S60 dictionaries. Their software can't even display the answers. (though I'm sure, if I'd bought the phone in asia, it would be able to display kanji) | 18:16 |
| derf | Hah. Well, the font support out of the box was better than I expected. | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | I installed the droid fonts, that seemed to give me korean too | 18:17 |
| derf | Still missing some of the Unicode radicals, but those are very rare, even in Japanese fonts. | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | And luckily i'm too ignorant to see the difference between chinese and japanese glyphs | 18:17 |
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| derf | The difference between simplified and traditional is pretty stark. | 18:18 |
| ShadowJK | are those on different unicode codepoints though? | 18:18 |
| derf | Yes. | 18:18 |
| derf | But the Chinese and Japanese kanji that are actually different should be, too. | 18:18 |
| derf | I have no idea what substitution logic things use, though. | 18:19 |
| ShadowJK | I was under the impression that the "style" was significantly different that chinese and japanese barf if their computer shows the "wrong" one | 18:19 |
| derf | Yeah, the style is slightly different, but that's only really annoying if you have some glyphs from one font and some from another. | 18:20 |
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| derf | I mean, the variation in the various fancy calligraphy styles of Japanese stuff alone is already more drastic. | 18:21 |
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| derf | _That_ I sometimes find illegible. | 18:21 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is there a way to filter contacts by accounts | 18:34 |
| Corsac | (like, only “phone” ones, or only “jabber” ones | 18:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: ping | 19:00 |
| lcuk | hey timeless | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | where do you track bugs in liqbase? | 19:00 |
| lcuk | should be in bmo but i havent set up yet | 19:01 |
| lcuk | ive been waiting for a quiet spell | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | backup is storing ~/.liqbase/thumbs/ and ~/.liqbase/historythumb/ | 19:01 |
| w00t | that'll never happen, lcuk | 19:01 |
| w00t | :P | 19:01 |
| lcuk | timeless, cripes, that should be solves in a different manner soon anyway, but thanks for noticing | 19:02 |
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| bilboed | how can one make the 'memory card' visible to the computer when plugging in the usb cable (instead of the internal memory) ? | 19:03 |
| timeless_mbp | bilboed: they should both be exposed | 19:03 |
| lcuk | damn i shouldnt rush the bugtracker config, i will have a proper check tonight and get tracker setup tomorrow | 19:03 |
| timeless_mbp | tracker? | 19:03 |
| bilboed | timeless_mbp, true, dmes shows me two Nokia N900 devices | 19:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | 'dmes'? | 19:04 |
| bilboed | dmesg | 19:04 |
| * bilboed scratches head... | 19:04 | |
| bilboed | usb 1-10: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices | 19:04 |
| bilboed | gah | 19:04 |
| lcuk | timeless, yeah i should be able to use hildon thumbing stuff, but until now i'd not used it for anything | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: will you clean up your directory? | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, maemo5 uses ~/.cache/ | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | so you should too :) | 19:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: so, lemme set up your broduct | 19:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | for that, i'll need a description and a list of components :) | 19:08 |
| lcuk | that sounds like a great idea thx | 19:08 |
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| lcuk | liqbase (library, classic, apps) ? | 19:08 |
| lcuk | ill get description | 19:08 |
| bilboed | hmm... I really don't get why my computer only sees the internal memory | 19:09 |
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| bilboed | yet my n900 says both are connected via usb | 19:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | are you in garage? | 19:09 |
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| lcuk | yes | 19:10 |
| lcuk | lcuk | 19:10 |
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| lcuk | bilboed, im sure both pop up for me when i plug in as mass storage | 19:12 |
| PaulFertser | bilboed: probably you lack SCSI MULTI_LUN in your host kernel? | 19:13 |
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| PaulFertser | CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y should be present to see more than one LUN of a scsi device, and mass storage works through scsi subsystem in Linux. | 19:14 |
| bilboed | PaulFertser, let me check | 19:14 |
| bilboed | # CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN is not set | 19:14 |
| bilboed | ... | 19:14 |
| bilboed | oh well, time to upgrade to 2.6.32 I guess :) | 19:14 |
| PaulFertser | bilboed: do you self-compile the kernel? | 19:14 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i need descriptions for the product and each component | 19:14 |
| bilboed | PaulFertser, gentoo, yes | 19:14 |
| PaulFertser | bilboed: ok, then that's one little gotcha, just enable it and you'll get all your devices working :D | 19:15 |
| lcuk | ok timeless gimme 2 min i was just on my way out | 19:15 |
| bilboed | PaulFertser, thx a lot | 19:15 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: i spammed bugs@maemo for a bz request for asterisk. Do you do that too or just andre__ ? | 19:15 |
| bilboed | oh, other thing... the N900 doesn't appear as a MTP device, normal or bug ? | 19:15 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: i can make them | 19:15 |
| PaulFertser | bilboed: welcome | 19:15 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: pasted you in /msg | 19:16 |
| PaulFertser | bilboed: imho the fact n8x0 as well as n900 appearing as mass storage instead of cdc_ether by default is a bug. | 19:18 |
| Corsac | hmhm and is there a way to change jabber accounts priority? | 19:18 |
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| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: xp / vista doesnt like cdc_ether much | 19:19 |
| bilboed | ok, kernel recompiled, rebooting | 19:19 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: it's not exactly true. It just doesn't come with the .inf file preinstalled, the driver is in fact there. | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: ok | 19:20 |
| lcuk | timeless, http://pastebin.ca/1720559 | 19:20 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: what's your bugzilla adress? | 19:20 |
| lcuk | breakdown of liqbase sections with descriptions for you | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | mmm i havent got one | 19:20 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 19:21 |
| lcuk | oh, you mean for notifications | 19:21 |
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| lcuk | for now, liquid@gmail.com but its changable in future isnt it? | 19:22 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: cdc_ether gives you almost everything mass-storage can give an much more. The only thing i think g_filestorage might be useful is to boot any PC from your cool shiny portable gadget. | 19:22 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: this isn't to encode into the product | 19:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's to give you a bit of control over it | 19:22 |
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| lcuk | timeless, what do you mean then my bugzilla address | 19:23 |
| bilboed | PaulFertser, yay, works like a charm now :) thx a lot | 19:23 |
| PaulFertser | bilboed: :D | 19:23 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: that's the one i wanted | 19:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: roughly https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Liqbase | 19:26 |
| ShadowJK | bilboed, I thought it didn't have MTP | 19:27 |
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| Vratha | hi | 19:27 |
| bilboed | ShadowJK, sucks :( | 19:27 |
| bilboed | ShadowJK, I want it to appear in rhythmbox (and any other media player supporting mtp) | 19:27 |
| lcuk | timeless, cool | 19:27 |
| * lcuk didnt know how to set these up | 19:27 | |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: do you want applications + each of the apps? | 19:28 |
| Vratha | is there any way to put an n900 into "airplane mode" (i.e. turn off the cell radio)? | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | offline mode | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | press the power key? | 19:28 |
| bilboed | Vratha, press on the power button | 19:28 |
| Vratha | oooooh | 19:28 |
| Vratha | i didn't even see that! | 19:28 |
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| Vratha | thank you! | 19:29 |
| bilboed | like on any other nokia phone :) | 19:29 |
| lcuk | timeless, yeah when i thought about it, theres no point in mixing them up, people will not need to see bugs about the torch when filing against the calendar | 19:29 |
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| bilboed | I must say I *do* appreciate how they did keep some niceties from other (symbian) nokia phones in terms of behaviour | 19:29 |
| Vratha | bilboed: you assume i've ever owned another nokia phone | 19:29 |
| lcuk | and ill add new ones as new apps come through | 19:29 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: ok | 19:29 |
| * lcuk can see this list getting very long in future tho | 19:30 | |
| ShadowJK | bilboed, well it was there in previous maemo devices too | 19:30 |
| bilboed | Vratha, my N81 acted in the same way for offline mode (or changing profiles) | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Have you considered a fishing game? Liqbass? | 19:31 |
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| GAN900 | joppu_, ping? | 19:32 |
| woglinde | speedevil *g* | 19:32 |
| lcuk | lol SpeedEvil | 19:32 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders use of the accellerometer for fly fishing casting simulation. | 19:32 | |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: reload? | 19:32 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, he's currently working on his lewdness aggregator, liqass. | 19:33 |
| bilboed | gnn ?? just bought a new microsd card... and my n900 can't write to it | 19:33 |
| lcuk | timeless, oooh you gave them proper names! | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I would say check the write protect switch - but there isn't one on microsd. | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | bilboed: what sixe, and any errors in dmesg? | 19:34 |
| bilboed | SpeedEvil, 8Gb | 19:34 |
| GAN900 | Grr, the "Installation complete" note in h-a-m makes text input in the foreground application impossible. | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | bilboed, is the battery cover on? | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | The N900 will not touch the microsd if the battery cover is missing | 19:34 |
| bilboed | ShadowJK, yah, battery cover on | 19:34 |
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| * bilboed tries rebooting the phone | 19:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | bilboed: is it fat formatted? | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | my n900 would not automatically mount an ext* fs | 19:35 |
| bilboed | SpeedEvil, dunno, just got it. opened the box, stuck it in, and that's it | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | prolly fat then | 19:35 |
| * bilboed wonders if there's mke2fs on the device :) | 19:36 | |
| SpeedEvil | On that topic - is there a sd card formatter? | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I diddn't see one | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | bilboed, it wont mount ext* automatically btw | 19:36 |
| bilboed | i got a msg telling me I had to fsck around with the PC | 19:36 |
| bilboed | like... seriously... bad | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 19:36 |
| bilboed | 1s, I'll try to get the message again | 19:37 |
| bilboed | it's really bad that it doesn't have a way to format the card FROM the device | 19:38 |
| ShadowJK | there might be from the file manager, not sure | 19:38 |
| jebba | mkfs.ext3 | 19:38 |
| bilboed | "Memory is read-only until fixed. Try fixing memory from a PC after plugging in USB cable. Create data backup first to save existing memory contents" | 19:39 |
| jebba | why can't you use that? | 19:39 |
| bilboed | that's the message I get | 19:39 |
| bilboed | jebba, is it on the device ? | 19:39 |
| jebba | (maybe i need to read scrollback, /me hides) | 19:39 |
| jebba | yes on the device | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | bilboed: dosfsck? | 19:39 |
| jebba | e2fsprogs | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | or mkfs.vfat | 19:40 |
| bilboed | not user friendly. geeks don't care, we can cope with this bs. But imagine the end-user who just bought their 600EUR phone... go and buy a SanDisk 8gb MicroSD (common)... and then have to go through this bs ? | 19:40 |
| bilboed | make up your mind :) which fs can the n900 handle ? | 19:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | bilboed: It wants vfat as default on that | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | It will mount ext2 ifyou ask it to | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | bilboed, it can "handle" ext3, but it will not mount it automatically. | 19:40 |
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| ShadowJK | only VFAT formatted memory cards get mounted automatically | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | cat /proc/filesystems for the full range of fsss supported | 19:41 |
| lcuk | timeless, so thats it, people can file bugs against any of the liqbase applications now, and I will hear about them? | 19:41 |
| lcuk | so things like liqflow and liqtorch or any of the other things? :D | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | you won't hear about them | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | hold on a bit, i'll give a tutorial on that part in a minute | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to setup asterisk first | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Steps to reproduce the problem: | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Install liqtorch | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba and others, please see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7135 | 19:43 |
| povbot | Bug 7135: Setup Liqbase product | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Play techno music in the player. | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | for roughly the information i used to setup a product | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I expected strobe light. | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i need roughly equivalent information for other products | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | note that the details and fields can be changed by me or andre at any time on your behalf | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | so i will use placeholders until i'm given better info | 19:44 |
| lcuk | ok cool, does each section require 2 addresses? | 19:45 |
| lcuk | email addresses i mean | 19:45 |
| * SpeedEvil goes back to trying to work out how to setup proper chroot | 19:46 | |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, there's a wiki page with that info. | 19:46 |
| woglinde | speedevil for what? | 19:46 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, liqflow is better for techno | 19:46 |
| lcuk | especially headbanging | 19:46 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: does infobot know it? | 19:46 |
| GAN900 | Probably | 19:48 |
| GAN900 | Don't remember the shortcut | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | woglinde: gcc et al | 19:48 |
| woglinde | speedevil chroot on n900? | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | woglinde: yes | 19:48 |
| woglinde | lol | 19:48 |
| GAN900 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products | 19:48 |
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| GAN900 | ~extras-product is http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products | 19:49 |
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| GAN900 | infobot! | 19:49 |
| infobot | GAN900: okay | 19:49 |
| woglinde | *g* | 19:49 |
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| woglinde | jo wazd | 19:50 |
| wazd_n800 | woglinde, heya | 19:50 |
| lcuk | ok, thanks GAN900 the first time i read that, it was a wall of text with overly windy instructions, would be better suited with a template people can edit and submit i think | 19:53 |
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| jebba | here's a sample bugs:adding-extra-products that I sent that andre__ used, but i think timeless_mbp wants more info: http://pastebin.ca/1720583 | 19:55 |
| lcuk | timeless, if people file a bug as it stands now, how do i hear about it? | 19:55 |
| bilboed | hmmm... /me wonders if there's an app like gwibber on the n900. The other twitter/facebook apps are really disappointing | 19:55 |
| jebba | mine was a basic product without a bunch of sub-components like liq*, canola, etc. | 19:55 |
| lcuk | will it just sit in the tracker, or come to me via garage account | 19:55 |
| zeenix | bilboed: if you find one, please do let me know | 19:56 |
| zeenix | bilboed: or announce on facebook status :) | 19:56 |
| bilboed | yah :( | 19:56 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: https://bugs.maemo.org/editproducts.cgi?action=add&classification=Extras | 19:56 |
| timeless_mbp | ARG@ | 19:56 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks camino | 19:57 | |
| * lcuk kicks it for you | 19:57 | |
| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email#watchedusers | 19:57 |
| bilboed | zeenix, mauku seems to go in the right direction... but doesn't seem anywhere complete :( | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | at the bottom of the page is a text field where you can enter addresses to watch | 19:58 |
| zeenix | bilboed: yeah, tried it | 19:58 |
| bilboed | zeenix, like better integration with the rest of the system (contacts and events) | 19:59 |
| Arkenoi | something is wrong with recorder.. i see random crashes | 19:59 |
| zeenix | bilboed: i want something that can work offline | 19:59 |
| bilboed | zeenix, yah, that too | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: from describecomponents | 19:59 |
| lcuk | so i just list those addresses, or is it simpler to add myself as qa contact | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | just add those | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | the reason we do this is so that people can join the party and watch things individually | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | instead of stalking you | 20:01 |
| lcuk | sounds like a good idea | 20:01 |
| lcuk | and i dont add nobody@, i use the ones like liqflow@liqbase.garage.bugs | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | right | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | adding nobody is tantamount to suicide :) | 20:02 |
| lcuk | haha | 20:03 |
| lcuk | i doubt even a google acocunt could cope | 20:03 |
| Arkenoi | started it from command line to diagnose the problem and sure it does not crashes anymore ;-) | 20:03 |
| Arkenoi | though when run via desktop shortcat it does it for sure after a minute or so | 20:04 |
| jebba | Hey, i'm packaging up asterisk and I went for this for the /opt layout. Helpful comments welcome. :) http://pastebin.ca/1720590 | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, my gmail account copes w/ a much larger bugzilla :) | 20:04 |
| lcuk | ok, so now those are added and linked, i can answer the question you asked earlier, and tell you the bugzilla address | 20:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, the gmail account you mentioned earlier was already added | 20:04 |
| lcuk | :) thanks a lot timeless, i will need this when i walk kathy through a bug shes noticed | 20:05 |
| lcuk | thats ok | 20:05 |
| woglinde | jebba # | 20:05 |
| woglinde | /opt/asterisk/log ist wrong | 20:05 |
| jebba | /opt/asterisk/var/log you're suggesting? | 20:05 |
| woglinde | sure | 20:05 |
| woglinde | bye till latrer | 20:06 |
| jebba | /etc/opt : Configuration files for /opt Is what FHS says, but that sucks in this case, cuz the point is to get things *out* of / ... | 20:07 |
| Arkenoi | Ah, got the crash | 20:08 |
| Arkenoi | "segmentation fault" | 20:08 |
| Arkenoi | not quite informative | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | force a symlink from /etc/opt to /opt/maemo/etc/opt ? | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | And file a bug asking maemo to create that symlink ? | 20:08 |
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| Arkenoi | i guess i should revert to old recorder (named "maemo-recorder" in the repository) | 20:09 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 20:09 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: that's exactly what I was thinking, about bug for symlink /etc/opt /opt/etc ... But FSH also notes: "If a configuration file must reside in a different location in order for the package or system to function properly, it may be placed in a location other than /etc/opt/<subdir>." | 20:10 |
| jebba | in this case the system wouldnt function properly without moving it to /etc/asterisk/opt, cuz you'd possibly get a brick. Asterisk conf files are 600k | 20:10 |
| bilboed | anyone knows if the google-album-art-downloader app actually works ? I installed it... but doesn't do anything, nor can I find the entry in the apps (which I don't expect to considering it's a service) | 20:11 |
| joppu_ | GAN900: what? | 20:13 |
| lcuk | bilboed, dunno | 20:13 |
| joppu_ | GAN900: pong | 20:13 |
| zeenix | bilboed: ask pvanhoof :) | 20:14 |
| bilboed | he's not online | 20:14 |
| timeless_mbp | bilboed: did you try adding a thing via Settings>Sharing? | 20:14 |
| GAN900 | joppu_, your short description isn't super friendly | 20:14 |
| GAN900 | How about something like "A shiny theme for Maemo"? | 20:14 |
| bilboed | timeless_mbp, doesn't appear there | 20:14 |
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| tgalal | Why does nokia n900 cost 600 euros in europe while only it costs about $570 in USA | 20:15 |
| tgalal | is there a difference?????? | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | tgalal: the euro is more expensive | 20:16 |
| GAN900 | tgalal, yeah, we don't give all of our money to the government. :) | 20:16 |
| wazd_n800 | - Doctor, you must help me! Wherever I look at I see oonlyy fonts, fonts, FONTS! | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | tgalal: it's largely taxation | 20:17 |
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| tgalal | i see | 20:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%28570*1.15*1.06%29+dollars+in+euro&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | 20:17 |
| timeless_mbp | tgalal: in the us we charge sales tax later and list the pre sales price | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | well - somewhat | 20:17 |
| timeless_mbp | in europe, they use something called VAT | 20:17 |
| wazd_n800 | -Relax, close your eyes and visualize the quick brown fox thatumps over llazy dog | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | which gets included in the list price | 20:18 |
| wazd_n800 | damn, I hate maemo keyboard | 20:18 |
| tgalal | timeless_mbp, I want order one from the USA. Will it cost anymore than the listed price, besides the shipping fees? | 20:19 |
| GAN900 | Tax is much lower, though | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | tgalal: yes | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | tgalal: it'll cost tax | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | it's still a win | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | tgalal: if your package is intercepted by customs - import duty and VAT | 20:19 |
| GAN900 | tgalal, no warranty, you usually have to pay customs. | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, if you pay customs, you'll probably lose | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | tgalal: in the UK, that would be an extra 6%, and 15% | 20:19 |
| GAN900 | You're also paying for a longer warranty in EU | 20:19 |
| tgalal | It's 10% here in Egypt | 20:19 |
| rashed2020 | VAT is 15%?! | 20:19 |
| GAN900 | 2 years vs 1 | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: oh really? | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | rashed2020: int he UK | 20:20 |
| GAN900 | rashed2020, higher some places. | 20:20 |
| rashed2020 | Wow, that's A LOT. | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: that's in some places | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: in the UK, the standard warranty is 1 year AIUI | 20:20 |
| GAN900 | rashed2020, indeed. | 20:20 |
| joppu_ | GAN900: Yeah, I'll fix it when I have time | 20:20 |
| tgalal | so a total of $607 is a good deal I think | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | tgalal: Where ar eyou? | 20:21 |
| tgalal | Egypt | 20:21 |
| tgalal | SpeedEvil, it would cost me $830 if I buy it from Egypt | 20:22 |
| SpeedEvil | tgalal: I'd check your import tax situation | 20:23 |
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| tgalal | SpeedEvil, it's 10%, but I'll double check | 20:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | warranty is definitely something to consider | 20:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | as some people have needed to use it.. | 20:23 |
| tgalal | timeless_mbp, I hope I won't need to | 20:24 |
| timeless_mbp | that's a damble | 20:24 |
| GAN900 | I wouldn't risk the warranty, personally. | 20:24 |
| timeless_mbp | s/d/g/ | 20:24 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: that's a gamble | 20:24 |
| GAN900 | QA doesn't seem particularly good right now. | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | tgalal: I don't know how reliable your mail is, some countries have problems. Italy forex. | 20:24 |
| GAN900 | Tolerances seem, um, high. | 20:24 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: heh | 20:25 |
| tgalal | SpeedEvil, DHL | 20:25 |
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| tgalal | they're very reliable, tried their service many times before | 20:26 |
| rashed2020 | Does anyone here use Google Apps? I was wondering if the standard editions supports synching, too. | 20:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | eh? | 20:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | syncing what? | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | tgalal: also - investigate phone insurance as an alternative to warranty. | 20:27 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: that'd require his egyptian carrier to offer the n900 | 20:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i doubt they do | 20:27 |
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| rashed2020 | timeless_mbp: Contacts and calendar. | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: maybe, maybe not. I can buy in the UK phone insutrance from several providers, and even add it as an option on my home insurance. | 20:28 |
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| rashed2020 | I keep getting "Exchange Account Disabled. Access Refused" | 20:28 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: including accidental damage cover, for when I sit on it. | 20:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | wow | 20:30 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, Nokia has 2 year warranty in all of europe | 20:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | rashed2020: activesync for gmail doesn't work in sales | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | it might work in a future version | 20:30 |
| rashed2020 | sales? | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | but i think if you're getting that error you've probably misconfigured it | 20:30 |
| tgalal | timeless_mbp, if something happens to the phone, isn't it possible to ship it back to nokia for fixes? | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | "original sales software image" | 20:31 |
| rashed2020 | Ohhhh | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Ok - they must have standardised on that. Companies selling in the UK do not have to offer >12mo | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | tgalal: if you buy in the US, your warranty is *probably* regional | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure that Nokia offers global warranty's | 20:31 |
| rashed2020 | Baaaahhhh. I'm not planning on flashing a dev image anytime soon. | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, don't forget all the consumer law "reasonable expected lifetime" stuff too ;-) | 20:31 |
| red | Has anyone been successfull in overcoming the 921 600 baud restriction on nokia usb modem driver? | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i know that Asus's eeePCs had regional warrantees | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: (though the sale of goods act may mean it has to be of merchantable quality, which can extend this if you take it to court) | 20:31 |
| rashed2020 | Looks like it's going to be manual. | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | rashed2020: since we don't offer dev images, that's good :) | 20:31 |
| rashed2020 | lol woops | 20:32 |
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| rashed2020 | timeless_mbp: So what other options do I have for google activesync? | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | "waiting"? | 20:32 |
| rashed2020 | timeless_mbp: Sorry I misread. I wasn't looking for gmail. Just contacts and calendar. | 20:32 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 20:33 | |
| rashed2020 | No way. I think I'm gonna start working on it. | 20:33 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks backup | 20:33 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's following symlinks | 20:33 |
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| Proteous_ | are you pondering what I'm pondering | 20:35 |
| Proteous_ | (I think so Proteous_ but what happens if the whale eats the taco?) | 20:36 |
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| red | arf, so irritating | 20:40 |
| red | stupid com port restrictions | 20:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | red: fwiw.. | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i managed to stream a live video cast using my n900 and wVista | 20:42 |
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| red | from n900 camera? | 20:44 |
| red | or just a videofile from the n900? | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | i did that with mencoder | 20:45 |
| timeless_mbp | the windows computer used firewire as input | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | my n900 was just the uplink | 20:49 |
| rashed2020 | Can someone confirm something for me: Maemo doesn't realize that a country code maybe a prefix. So +1222911 isn't the same number as 222911, right? | 20:52 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 20:53 |
| timeless_mbp | the phone is about as stupid as every other phone i've ever met in this area | 20:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | what did you expect it to do? | 20:53 |
| rashed2020 | Well, my old symbian phone was fine. | 20:53 |
| timeless_mbp | what did it *DO*? | 20:54 |
| * timeless_mbp hates users | 20:54 | |
| timeless_mbp | they expect mind reading | 20:54 |
| timeless_mbp | and teleportation | 20:54 |
| timeless_mbp | and infinite wealth and resources | 20:54 |
| timeless_mbp | and well... i don't have any of those | 20:54 |
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| glass_ | you should give 'em false hope | 20:54 |
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| rashed2020 | It wouldn't display a contact name because 911 called me while the contact number is saved as +1911 | 20:54 |
| rashed2020 | Jeez, sorry man. Literally my first 10 minutes with Maemo. | 20:54 |
| timeless_mbp | which did which? | 20:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | phones afaiu do not understand the country region they're in while roaming | 20:55 |
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| rashed2020 | The symbian phone displayed the contact name while Maemo didn't. | 20:55 |
| timeless_mbp | so you have a contact "+1911" | 20:55 |
| timeless_mbp | and "911" calls you | 20:55 |
| rashed2020 | Yes. | 20:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | and you expect it to figure out that they're the same? | 20:56 |
| timeless_mbp | what if you also have a "+44911" contact? | 20:56 |
| timeless_mbp | why should the phone know to show the +1 instead of the +44 contact? | 20:56 |
| timeless_mbp | the usa is fun btw | 20:56 |
| rashed2020 | Literally every other phone I've used did that. I was just looking for confirmation that this phone doesn't. | 20:56 |
| LinuxCode | 112 should work worldwide | 20:56 |
| timeless_mbp | because i can have a 7 digit number, which might call different people depending on my sim (?) | 20:56 |
| woglinde | hm can someone with n900 please do an apt-get install qtnx? | 20:56 |
| LinuxCode | but that is not police everywhere | 20:57 |
| woglinde | qtnx is in extras-testing | 20:57 |
| rashed2020 | LinuxCode: The number was just an example. | 20:57 |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: "could not get lock file" | 20:57 |
| luke-jr_ | LinuxCode: 112? | 20:57 |
| LinuxCode | rashed2020, ok | 20:57 |
| woglinde | timeless_mbp ???? | 20:57 |
| Arkenoi | does recorder work ok for you? i get random crashes all the time | 20:57 |
| * lcuk slaps LinuxCode | 20:57 | |
| * LinuxCode slaps lcuk back | 20:57 | |
| rashed2020 | luke-jr_: Emergency services. You can even call them without a sim card. | 20:57 |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: you didn't tell me to be root | 20:57 |
| luke-jr_ | rashed2020: it works everywhere? | 20:58 |
| woglinde | timeless_mbp *sigh* | 20:58 |
| rashed2020 | luke-jr_: It should. | 20:58 |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: missing steps to reproduce will get you precisely _here_ | 20:58 |
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| luke-jr_ | rashed2020: I'll have to try it next time I have an emergency. | 20:58 |
| luke-jr_ | rashed2020: how would it work from my VoIP phone? ;) | 20:58 |
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| woglinde | timeless_mbp sudo gainroot than apt-get install qtnx | 20:58 |
| woglinde | if you have enabeld extras-testing | 20:59 |
| rashed2020 | heh, I guess that depends on how your provider has it configured. | 20:59 |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: you're learning ;-) | 20:59 |
| luke-jr_ | rashed2020: I don't do providers. | 20:59 |
| rashed2020 | ^ luke-jr_ | 20:59 |
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| luke-jr_ | rashed2020: I wholesale POTS minutes. | 20:59 |
| rashed2020 | Well, however your wholesale minutes people do it. | 21:00 |
| luke-jr_ | no, they don't. | 21:00 |
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| luke-jr_ | if it's not country-code + etc, it won't go through | 21:00 |
| rashed2020 | Ohh | 21:00 |
| timeless_mbp | rashed2020: anyway | 21:00 |
| rashed2020 | Didn't know that. | 21:00 |
| timeless_mbp | if you want to report a problem, you can't short cut things | 21:00 |
| timeless_mbp | and suggesting '911' as a number is a bad idea | 21:00 |
| timeless_mbp | as it does all sorts of screwy things | 21:01 |
| luke-jr_ | I have the standard 911 routed to a nearby police dispatch, but not 112 ;) | 21:01 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. if your exchange is "special" (as luke-jr_ 's is) | 21:01 |
| luke-jr_ | timeless_mbp: or more like "not special" :P | 21:01 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr_: well, '9' is often "outside line please" | 21:01 |
| timeless_mbp | '1' is 'international please' | 21:01 |
| timeless_mbp | '1' is 'us please' | 21:01 |
| timeless_mbp | <empty> is 'confuse the dialer please' | 21:02 |
| luke-jr_ | timeless_mbp: +1 is North America | 21:02 |
| timeless_mbp | (pbx's that actually get 911 right were rare historically) | 21:02 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr_: mexico? :) | 21:02 |
| rashed2020 | timeless_mbp: That was just an example. Also, I just tried it on my friend's iPhone and Android phones and they figured out the issue I mentioned a few minutes back. | 21:02 |
| luke-jr_ | not sure about mexico | 21:02 |
| luke-jr_ | I don't call Mexico often :p | 21:02 |
| timeless_mbp | +52 | 21:02 |
| luke-jr_ | i | 21:03 |
| luke-jr_ | c | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | Canada is just the 51st state | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | and obviously they reserved 52 for Mexico ;-) | 21:03 |
| luke-jr_ | <.< | 21:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | rashed2020: i'm not really sure how one gets this "right" | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | for one, i'm not sure what you're actually getting in the caller id field | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | rashed2020: also - it doesn't. You cannot call the emergency number in the UK without a valid SIM logged into a network | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | and for another, it's perfectly legit for me to have +44xxxxx and +328xxxxx | 21:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, emergency service availability varies by country | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | read wikipedia if you like | 21:04 |
| rashed2020 | timeless_mbp: I understand that. I wasn't complaining I just wanted to know if this is how Maemo works or if I had something wrong. | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think anyone here knows | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | but if you don't come up with a ***** really ****** complete example | 21:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | you're just wasting my breakfast | 21:05 |
| rashed2020 | Alright, let me type it up for you. | 21:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | feel free to xxxx the last 4 digits of the number | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | but at least include a valid area code and exchange | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | and then add some contacts for other countries with the same number | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | +44 = England fwiw | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | +358 = Finland | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | +34 = Spain | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | that's 4, which should be enough for playing around | 21:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | +33 = France (that's #5 ...) | 21:07 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders how to usefully test this | 21:07 | |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't really want to ring up a roaming bill | 21:08 | |
| * timeless_mbp has already played that game, and it *sucks* | 21:08 | |
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| zash | timeless_mbp: hunt it, kill it, grill it! | 21:09 |
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| * timeless_mbp prefers plastic | 21:11 | |
| jebba | i forget. Does the default setup allow "user" to run arbitrary applications as sudo? | 21:11 |
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| jebba | like would "sudo /etc/init.d/asterisk start" work? | 21:13 |
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| pupnik_ | questions that less typing to answer on device than to ask... | 21:15 |
| pupnik_ | +require | 21:15 |
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| jebba | pupnik_: it does? | 21:17 |
| jebba | the DEFAULT SETUP was what i was asking about pupnik_ | 21:18 |
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| jebba | can someone just run this for me to see if it works for them or not? "sudo ls" | 21:20 |
| Shadikka | works | 21:20 |
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| LuciusMare | holey carp,so i am getting my n900 on 24th of December ^^ | 21:21 |
| timeless | jebba: no | 21:22 |
| LuciusMare | i expected something like congratulations :( | 21:22 |
| timeless | you need to install a friendly gainroot | 21:22 |
| timeless | and it doesn't allow args | 21:22 |
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| timeless | sudo ls asked me for a password | 21:23 |
| AakashPatel | LuciusMare: none for you! | 21:23 |
| AakashPatel | >.< | 21:23 |
| jebba | Shadikka: did you do anything more than just have gainroot installed? | 21:23 |
| timeless | jebba: you need to add to /etc/sudoers.d/asterisk | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare | aww | 21:24 |
| timeless | or something | 21:24 |
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| timeless | and call uopdate-sudoers in postinst/postrm | 21:24 |
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| LuciusMare | I wanted to throw it at the surgeon table immidiaetly,just after getting it | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare | but now,it seems so real | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare | i dont want to lose my money | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare | though i will play with it :) | 21:25 |
| jebba | timeless ok. In this case the person doing the sudoing would be the user "user" not "asterisk" user, fwiw. | 21:25 |
| rashed2020 | timeless_mbp: http://pastebin.com/m6745c14c | 21:25 |
| timeless | jebba: the filename is to avoid conflicts | 21:25 |
| rashed2020 | timeless ^ | 21:25 |
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| timeless | look at the others for inspiration | 21:26 |
| jebba | timelss cool, thx! | 21:26 |
| timeless | rashed, so | 21:27 |
| timeless | all of my contacts have intl prefixes on them | 21:27 |
| timeless | and i rarely have a problem w/ caller id | 21:27 |
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| timeless | in fact, i can't ever remember a problem | 21:27 |
| oscillik | got my N900 today, but very disappointed in the lack of IMAP IDLE support :( | 21:28 |
| timeless | roughly i have contacts as +1215222XXXX. | 21:28 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Hey timeless, could microB select links in the page with the up/down arrows when shift is held down? | 21:28 |
| timeless | gadgetoid: shift means something to web browsers | 21:28 |
| timeless | so abusing it is a bad idea | 21:28 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Shift + up/down would be great though, for navigating through the page | 21:29 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Or even the FN key if it can be detected | 21:29 |
| rashed2020 | timeless: That's odd. That's exactly how I have them saved and it's not working correctly. I'll see what I can figure out. | 21:29 |
| timeless | pous | 21:29 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | I'm just comparing the Droid versus the N900 in fingerless webpage navigation | 21:29 |
| timeless | most keyboardd don't even have up/down arrows | 21:29 |
| timeless | you need to use fn to get them | 21:29 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | D-Pad on the droid will select individual links, whereas the N900 it will scroll up/down | 21:29 |
| timeless | which definitely rules it out as a modifier | 21:29 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Ctrl? | 21:30 |
| timeless | and needing to hold 3 keys to navigate would be painful | 21:30 |
| timeless | ctrl also means something for web browsers | 21:30 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Well it's currently impossible to select links with keys, as far as I know | 21:30 |
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| timeless | roughly, we finally acknowledged that we have a touchscreen | 21:30 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | As they've been used for scrolling instead... which is very very nice but not very functional | 21:31 |
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| timeless | and that it's our primary input method | 21:31 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Makes me wonder why so many people still use keyboards | 21:31 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | They're all clearly deluded | 21:31 |
| * timeless doesn't while browsing | 21:31 | |
| timeless | and i'm a power user, someday you can watch me | 21:32 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | I much prefer using the keyboard to scroll/browse rather than kludgy thumb pokes | 21:32 |
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| pupnik_ | selecting links by arrowkey is such a great idea, i only have to hit it 50 times to get to the needed link, thanks Gadgetoid_nc10 | 21:32 |
| timeless | keynav on densely linked pages is total fail | 21:33 |
| timeless | pupnik_++ | 21:33 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | pupnik_: it generally serves to scroll the page, too | 21:33 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | And consequently works very well in Android | 21:33 |
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| GAN900 | meh, pupnik, double-tap THEN click the link. | 21:33 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | You can, for example, scroll down the article summaries of a blog, with it selecting each link as it goes | 21:34 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | And then just hit the center of the navigator to select a link, which you've incidentally focussed by scrolling | 21:34 |
| GAN900 | This sounds mostly like a case of "what user is used to" | 21:34 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | GAN900: yes, it's a matter of preference | 21:34 |
| timeless | roughly each preference supported is incredibly expensive | 21:35 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | But never mind, Android is clearly an irrelevant niche OS and anything that might be done on it is clearly wrong... what with Maemo being so prevalent | 21:35 |
| timeless | yours costs 4-5 months | 21:35 |
| timeless | 3 engineers and 4 testers | 21:35 |
| GAN900 | Ah, yes, there the ration discussion goes out the window. | 21:35 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | timeless: I wish it'd just cost a TAB key... but there isn't one =/ | 21:36 |
| GAN900 | Android is not Maemo and Maemo is not Android | 21:36 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | I wonder what Android does if there are NO links on a page | 21:39 |
| GAN900 | Connections always drop at the most convenient times. | 21:39 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | It would be tragic if the page didn't scroll | 21:39 |
| GAN900 | If you really want the arrow keys to scroll links, write a plugin. | 21:39 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | I must say I much prefer the way that the N900 does it, but dislike having to tap the screen to select a link | 21:39 |
| pupnik_ | maemo's approach is a bit different - double click to zoom on that element, and hitting the link is then easy | 21:41 |
| GAN900 | Oh that's cool | 21:41 |
| GAN900 | That message lagged so much I received it after I reconnected. | 21:41 |
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| pupnik_ | hey RevdKathy | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | evening RevdKathy | 21:42 |
| RevdKathy | Evening all | 21:42 |
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| GAN900 | Gadgetoid_nc10, it's a touchscreen-oriented device. :) | 21:42 |
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| RevdKathy | thought I'd log in before I waste any more money phoning strictly | 21:42 |
| * lcuk slides a glass of vodka along the chan bar @ RevdKathy | 21:42 | |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | GAN900: I hate scrolling on the touchscreen, it only worked on the iPhone because of portrait mode | 21:43 |
| lcuk | lol tracy is watching the final too | 21:43 |
| RevdKathy | Thanks lcuk. I was debating opening the Christmas booze - it's all sat there tempting me | 21:43 |
| lcuk | if only she would have as much restraint | 21:43 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Haha lcuk, the other half has that nonsense on too, graag | 21:43 |
| RevdKathy | Who's she voting for? | 21:43 |
| RevdKathy | I restricted myself to three votes :p | 21:43 |
| timeless | gadgetoid: portrait is coming in the first service release | 21:43 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | That said, woman in ridiculous open skirts showing off their underwear whilst dancing inefficiently... | 21:43 |
| lcuk | i dunno and am scared to ask | 21:43 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | timelessdon't tell me that, I might actually kiss you | 21:44 |
| lcuk | her favorite from xfactor lost last week | 21:44 |
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| lcuk | so no doubt shes calling twice as much | 21:44 |
| lcuk | pardon? | 21:44 |
| RevdKathy | oh dear - if her fave loses strictly too, you may have a problem. | 21:44 |
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| lcuk | it was only good when rachel was in it | 21:44 |
| GAN900 | Gadgetoid_nc10, you're clearly doing something wrong. | 21:44 |
| RevdKathy | Is she prone to suicidal impulses? | 21:45 |
| Anidel | gadgetoid it was stated by nokia already that portrait would come.. I don't know in what extent, but it will come.. I think Browser will support it for sure | 21:45 |
| Anidel | hi guys | 21:45 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | timeless: accelerometer driven? I gave up on the iPhone cos the fscking screen would rotate every time I lay in bed to browse websites. | 21:45 |
| RevdKathy | I have this fantasy of an upate before Christmas to support iplayer | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: any hint on how to go to top of a loooong html page? balistic fingerscrolling is tedious, shift-space doesn't autorepeat, and cursor-up is slooow. | 21:45 |
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| Anidel | gadgetoid : that happens on the N900 as well.. but I've read it's fixed | 21:45 |
| timeless | try adding # to the url and pressing enter? | 21:46 |
| Anidel | revdkathy I wish so as well, but I'd prefer a dedicated app from BBC :) | 21:46 |
| RevdKathy | Accelerometer doesn't rotate in bed for me! | 21:46 |
| timeless | or a bookmarklet | 21:46 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Anidel: So I'm clearly not the only person that lazy! | 21:46 |
| RevdKathy | I don't care - I want to watch the Xmas Doctor Who again in bed n boxing day morning | 21:46 |
| RevdKathy | regardless of how | 21:46 |
| LinuxCode | regardless ? | 21:47 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Anidel: the Droid does it well, by locking into landscape mode when the keyboard is open | 21:47 |
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| RevdKathy | I doubt the beeb will make an app - click hsn't even commented | 21:47 |
| timeless | revd: clearly you're a brit | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: thanks. will try | 21:47 |
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| Anidel | oh time to go out for a pizza.. it was a short stay here :) we'll be back later.. amazingly everything is ready for our trip tomorrow back to Italy.. wow.. I am proud of ourselves | 21:47 |
| LinuxCode | RevdKathy, I doubt click even makes the apps | 21:47 |
| RevdKathy | yeah, 'fraid so Timeless | 21:48 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, | 21:48 |
| lcuk | mmm doesnt rotate? | 21:48 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | A narrow webpage on the Motorola Droid screen, in portrait mode, is an awe inspiring sight | 21:48 |
| Anidel | Gadgetoid: you can lock Phone in portrait or landscape I think... | 21:48 |
| RevdKathy | No, I doubt they do - but it shows where their tech team are looking | 21:48 |
| LinuxCode | besides, there isnt a dedicated bbc iplayer app for linux yet or did I miss something ? | 21:48 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | At least it would be, if I could actually read text that tiny | 21:48 |
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| Anidel | see ya later | 21:48 |
| RevdKathy | my n900 browser doesn't rotate in bed, lcuk. It would get its jammies all twisted up if it did | 21:48 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Anidel: all well and good, until I *want* it to rotate... serves the iPhone right for not having a keyboard | 21:48 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid_nc10, a high resolution widescreen movie occupying the n900 screen is even better | 21:48 |
| matanZ | DocScrutinizer51: Map FN+left/right to Home/End. | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: would microb act on pageup or home (if I remap my kbd)? | 21:49 |
| timeless | for whatever reason, boxing day didn't make it across the pond | 21:49 |
| lcuk | ahhh kathy | 21:49 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | lcuk: Nah, the N900 outputting a low resolution widescreen movie to an external screen whilst simultaneously running other apps is better :) | 21:49 |
| timeless | probably because it was bad for business :) | 21:49 |
| timeless | doc: dunno offhand | 21:49 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid_nc10, hwy limit the output to none interactive things | 21:50 |
| timeless | i'm too lazy to run microb on a desktop to check | 21:50 |
| lcuk | the tvout can have different content to the lcd | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | matanZ: that's a really bad idea for my kbd layout, as those are up/down already | 21:50 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | lcuk: true true! could run a SNES emu out to the TV whilst still browsing the net on the phone itself | 21:51 |
| RevdKathy | n900could multitasj that - but could you? | 21:51 |
| woglinde | re | 21:51 |
| lcuk | that i dont know | 21:51 |
| lcuk | cos that would be rgb+rgb | 21:51 |
| * timeless is w/ kathy | 21:51 | |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Running video out whilst browsing the net worked for me, I'm sure it could be done | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | RevdKathy: wii controller for someone else | 21:52 |
| timeless | the multitasking there seems incredibly questionable | 21:52 |
| lcuk | 2 people | 21:52 |
| lcuk | 1 using the big screen | 21:52 |
| RevdKathy | does the wii controller work? I fancy it would impress my iphone-wielding nephews | 21:52 |
| timeless | speedevil: the issue is attn and being able to not die | 21:52 |
| lcuk | one continuing happily with mobile | 21:52 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Kinda RevdKathy | 21:52 |
| timeless | revd: there's an app for that | 21:53 |
| RevdKathy | but not enough to quietly impede their wii games without them knowing? | 21:53 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | If by "work" you mean "require a certain amount of effort to get working kinda ish" | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | wiimote input, lcuk? | 21:53 |
| timeless | it was shown in the video that got nokia and co in trouble w/ nintendo | 21:53 |
| LinuxCode | women are evil! | 21:53 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, not me | 21:53 |
| RevdKathy | *has malicious aims towards the boys wii games on News Years* | 21:53 |
| lcuk | but konttori did it didnt he? | 21:53 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk, idea for dual liqbase | 21:53 |
| woglinde | ~lart x-fade | 21:54 |
| * infobot beats x-fade to within 2.54cm of his life | 21:54 | |
| matanZ | DocScrutinizer51: Works for me. | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | mmmm dual liqbase http://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | matanZ: for sure it works. but I really don't want to lose my up+down keys | 21:55 |
| timeless | lcuk: ok, that picture is better in portrait | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | hey matanZ, how is it going? | 21:55 |
| lcuk | timeless, its better with more | 21:56 |
| lcuk | i want a grid of em | 21:56 |
| lcuk | and at the moment its ok as it is | 21:56 |
| lcuk | cos its still keyboard usable | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | matanZ: I'd prefer microb had a way to assign keycodes to certain actions. like shift-up for "go to top" | 21:57 |
| lcuk | but yeah for book reader style | 21:57 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | DocScrutinizer51: me too | 21:57 |
| lcuk | open like a book and have connected apps on them | 21:57 |
| * lcuk will get there | 21:57 | |
| * timeless grumbles | 21:57 | |
| lcuk | whats the grumble fur? | 21:58 |
| timeless | will the guy curious about portrait mode be happy to know that it'll be a hidden preview feature in that first service release? | 21:58 |
| timeless | no context menu in portrait | 21:58 |
| timeless | makes using news.google.com annoying | 21:58 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Hahaha, I don't actually care a lick for portrait outside of google mail | 21:59 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Or blogs, perhaps | 22:00 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Actually, probably most long texty websites work quite well in portrait but I've got used to not having it anywhere but FBReader now | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Gadgetoid: matanZ: even better was a general universal utility to set up per-app and global key assignments, -shortcuts, -macros. | 22:01 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Let me know when you're done writing it DocScrutinizer51 | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hahaha | 22:02 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | I must have funny thumbs, the Droid touch scrolling is less responsive than that of the N900... pretty serious feat for a capacitive screen to be trumped by resistive | 22:03 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, see the article on Planet about keybinding | 22:03 |
| GAN900 | The bind Home/End to one of the arrow keys + fn | 22:04 |
| GAN900 | I wish Nokia's scrolling had more inertia, though. | 22:04 |
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| rashed2020 | timeless: Ok something really weird is happening. When I get the call then it's just the number, not the name. But when I check the call log then the name is there. | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | arrow key plus FN = arrow key! | 22:05 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, whats the idea | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | down = Fn+right | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | up = Fn+left | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so itMs insane to bind home to the up key' no? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk, use stylus to control tablet ver, wiimote for tv ver? | 22:07 |
| * RST38h yawns | 22:07 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, o_O perfectly reasonable | 22:07 |
| lcuk | and would of course be practice for then mer on wii comes around | 22:07 |
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| lcuk | http://itmademyday.com/ | 22:09 |
| woglinde | moo | 22:09 |
| Proteous_ | woof | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | so how are things everywhere? =) | 22:10 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 curses clumsy qwertz layout of german N900 | 22:11 | |
| woglinde | hi aSIMULAtor | 22:11 |
| lcuk | RST38h, they are fiiiiiiiiiiine | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | especially since I never use öäü | 22:11 |
| RST38h | lcuk: suspicious! | 22:12 |
| lcuk | heh of course | 22:12 |
| lcuk | im tired | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, see the article on Planet to bind fn+arrow keys to something else. | 22:12 |
| timeless | asimulator: did you install the splash | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, oh, right, shitty keyboard | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | Sucks for you. | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: I have absolutely no problem to remap keys. Alas I canMt change the fsckng keycaps prints | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | Why does that matter? | 22:13 |
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| RST38h | it is annoying indeed | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as I'm not used to the us qwerty layout of N900 | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so I'd need a 'map' on a paper to look up which key to press | 22:15 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, around? | 22:17 |
| arachnist | http://comicjk.com/Pics/Comic272.gif | 22:17 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPhKt5mTWZI Absolutely hilarious N900 video. See if you can recognize which person the t.m.o user is! | 22:18 |
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| pupnik_ | The dude on the left with the neckbrace probably represents Quim :D :D :D | 22:19 |
| pupnik_ | lmao | 22:19 |
| wazd_n800 | pupnik_, qole?) | 22:19 |
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| pupnik_ | Dude in black represents the maemo-users who have completely crazy expectations - and the ad shows how the community expectations transformed into the N900 product. | 22:20 |
| pupnik_ | For me the funniest part is how the freak-in-black is behaving just like a forum member :D | 22:20 |
| pupnik_ | (me included of course) | 22:20 |
| pupnik_ | 5 stars | 22:20 |
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| pekuja | well that was weird | 22:21 |
| timeless | waz: hey, i need some artwork | 22:21 |
| wazd_n800 | timeless, heya | 22:22 |
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| wazd_n800 | timeless, what exactly? | 22:24 |
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| tekonivel | out of curiosity, is your conversation -plugin for MSN actually working? | 22:29 |
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| tekonivel | mine isn't | 22:29 |
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| kevloral | hi all | 22:41 |
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| RevdKathy | Right.. back to strictly. 'Night all! | 22:44 |
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| RST38h | moo, wazd | 22:48 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | pupnik_: Hahahaha | 22:51 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | wubb that video | 22:51 |
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| * Gadgetoid_nc10 cuddles his N900 and spits on the Milestone | 22:51 | |
| * Gadgetoid_nc10 wipes the spit off the Milestone, as it's got to be sent back | 22:52 | |
| xorAxAx | bug 3700 | 22:55 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3700 Put signatures not on top in replies (thereby not forcing top-post) | 22:55 |
| xorAxAx | bug 2563 | 22:55 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 Please provide an attribution line for replying | 22:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | milestone? | 22:59 |
| wazd_n800 | timeless, Droid | 23:00 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | What he said :D | 23:00 |
| wazd_n800 | timeless, european name | 23:00 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Yeah I'm not sure why they call it a Milestone, first Android 2.0 phone I gues | 23:00 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | But I think it's probably also doomed to be the worst one | 23:00 |
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| * timeless_mbp tries to figure out England | 23:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | i hear it's a big island or something | 23:08 |
| derf | No, that's Great Britain. | 23:09 |
| woglinde | derf *g* | 23:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | England isn't an Island? | 23:11 |
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| derf | It is part of an island. | 23:11 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | England is a country | 23:11 |
| xorAxAx | lcuk: why does liqtorch disable the ondemand gov? | 23:11 |
| derf | And actually includes like a 100 other smaller islands. | 23:11 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | As are Wales and Scotland | 23:11 |
| RST38h | Is England that place where they actually speak English? | 23:11 |
| * RST38h hides | 23:11 | |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 23:11 |
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| derf | RST38h: Not if you go to the North. | 23:12 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | No, RST38h, most people from Europe speak better English, ha! | 23:12 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | 'round here they speak Polish these days | 23:12 |
| lcuk | xorAxAx, :D on which system | 23:12 |
| lcuk | it shouldnt touch anything on n900 | 23:12 |
| xorAxAx | lcuk: in the startup script as far as i saw | 23:12 |
| lcuk | yeah, on which system | 23:13 |
| lcuk | it doesnt touch it for n900.. | 23:13 |
| xorAxAx | ok :) why and where is it necessary? | 23:13 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | liqbase.. liqtip... ligharder... am I mispronouncing liqbase... | 23:13 |
| xorAxAx | how about a liqheating app? :-) | 23:13 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | liq lick | 23:13 |
| RST38h | Gadgetoid: The best English I have heard was spoken by an Indean | 23:13 |
| RST38h | Gadgetoid: who looked like a hobo, too. | 23:13 |
| lcuk | xorAxAx, have you got an n8x0? | 23:13 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Wtf is with these GPodder releases! | 23:14 |
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| xorAxAx | lcuk: only a scratchbox currently | 23:14 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Luminous fish effect!? | 23:14 |
| xorAxAx | i reflashed my n810 because it will be sold soon | 23:14 |
| lcuk | heh, and liqbase RUNS? | 23:14 |
| xorAxAx | no :) | 23:14 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | SOLD xorAxAx!? SoLD!? | 23:14 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | I'll give you £10 for it | 23:14 |
| lcuk | liqbase any version simply does not work in scratchbox | 23:14 |
| xorAxAx | Gadgetoid_nc10: 160 EUR on ebay.de | 23:14 |
| lcuk | it is totally 100% incompatible | 23:14 |
| lcuk | sorry | 23:14 |
| lcuk | its fine with scratchbox | 23:14 |
| lcuk | but not the emulator thingy | 23:15 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Wowser xorAxAx, I bought mine new for not much more than that | 23:15 |
| lcuk | for running | 23:15 |
| xorAxAx | Gadgetoid_nc10: lets hope mine reaches that price as well :) | 23:15 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Ebay would have to pry my n810 out of my cold, dead hands | 23:15 |
| lcuk | xorAxAx, please file a bug | 23:15 |
| xorAxAx | lcuk: why do you need to disable the gov? | 23:15 |
| lcuk | if you think its wrong | 23:15 |
| xorAxAx | lcuk: which bug? | 23:15 |
| * lcuk likes being able to say that | 23:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok, let's try again | 23:15 |
| lcuk | thanks timeless | 23:15 |
| timeless_mbp | where should i be in England for New Years? | 23:16 |
| lcuk | xorAxAx, if you have your n810, install original liqbase on it | 23:16 |
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| lcuk | and go into the settings | 23:16 |
| lcuk | there is a cpu frequency thing | 23:16 |
| lcuk | you can play | 23:16 |
| lcuk | and see the speed difference | 23:16 |
| xorAxAx | ah | 23:16 |
| lcuk | liqbase playground runs really well on n810 | 23:16 |
| lcuk | really really well actually | 23:16 |
| luke-jr_ | O.o | 23:16 |
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| lcuk | i am so pleased that all the optimisation i put in | 23:16 |
| xorAxAx | no,i will wait fpor the n900 | 23:17 |
| luke-jr_ | lcuk: so you recommend overclocking N810 and selling it at a higher price as "enhanced"? :p | 23:17 |
| xorAxAx | lcuk: and which emulator do you mean? | 23:17 |
| lcuk | luke-jr_, not overclocking | 23:17 |
| lcuk | its changing the governor | 23:17 |
| luke-jr_ | i c | 23:17 |
| xorAxAx | lcuk: that fails to cooperate with liqfoo? | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | xorAxAx, xephyr and stuff cannot emulate the YUV xvideo mode | 23:17 |
| lcuk | so ive never ever seen liqbase emulated | 23:17 |
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| eitreach | What's up with the my-maemo.com-repo? I don't see a single file added to available programs. | 23:18 |
| lcuk | only run live direct on hardware | 23:18 |
| RST38h | "there is a distinction between discipline and ritualized lunacy" | 23:18 |
| * RST38h cackles | 23:18 | |
| xorAxAx | scratchbox and xephyr arent emulators, lcuk | 23:18 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | timeless_mbp: you can stay here for new years, and I'll set fire to you, it's a custom, honest | 23:18 |
| lcuk | xorAxAx, point being | 23:18 |
| lcuk | the rest of maemo is emulatable | 23:18 |
| lcuk | liqbase isnt | 23:18 |
| xorAxAx | lcuk: it fails with 22:18:37 hardware_product_read, cannot open for reading | 23:18 |
| xorAxAx | /usr/bin/liqtorch-run.sh: line 20: 14026 Segmentation fault ./liqtorch | 23:18 |
| xorAxAx | thats hardly a yuv issue | 23:19 |
| lcuk | no, but why should i care | 23:19 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Has anything worthwhile been done with liqbase? on the n810 it did a good job of screwing up apt by filling all available disk space | 23:19 |
| wazd_n800 | there's no sense in running liqtorch via emu | 23:19 |
| lcuk | if i get past that (easy one in startup actually) | 23:19 |
| xorAxAx | user satisfaction | 23:19 |
| lcuk | there is wazd_n800 | 23:19 |
| lcuk | if it couldv been emulated | 23:19 |
| lcuk | you wouldv spotted the bug | 23:19 |
| wazd_n800 | so it helps you to save time) | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | xorAxAx, i could fix that v easily (and will have to when i get round to porting again, or someone else) but even getting past it now will stop it later with yuv | 23:20 |
| lcuk | its something ive not considered tho | 23:20 |
| * konttori is just reading excellent look at QML by Kenneth Christianssen http://kenneth.christiansen.googlepages.com/DUI.html | 23:21 | |
| lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase | 23:21 |
| konttori | s/ssen/sen | 23:21 |
| lcuk | xorAxAx, if oyu wanna try | 23:21 |
| xorAxAx | lcuk: na | 23:21 |
| lcuk | its in liqapp.c i believe | 23:21 |
| lcuk | quite simple to just stop it stopping | 23:21 |
| lcuk | and see if you can battle yuv ;) | 23:21 |
| xorAxAx | i used DISPLAY=:0 | 23:22 |
| xorAxAx | i dont need to battle yuv :) | 23:22 |
| lcuk | xvideo does not use the normal x11 pathway | 23:22 |
| lcuk | konttori, did you know all liqbase is built up of similar tiny modular building blocks | 23:22 |
| lcuk | if you put a qml interface on the top it would fly | 23:23 |
| lcuk | hell, you could wrap it with c++ ;) | 23:23 |
| konttori | Sounds like a pretty nice plan to me | 23:23 |
| * lcuk nods :) | 23:23 | |
| konttori | having said that, also having gl acceleration is nice. | 23:24 |
| lcuk | indeed | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | xorAxAx, are you using x86 | 23:28 |
| lcuk | or armel | 23:28 |
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| lcuk | just out of curiousity really cos it fails on armel later when its connecting to the display | 23:29 |
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| konttori | I love kenneths ending regarding QML: "QML also has some support for loading it on demand over HTTP, much like Flash, and it seems that it has the potential for becoming a Flash killer with time. A web browser plugin could easily be developed and Nokia could support it directly on all its S60 phones, when the Qt S60 port is ready. This way, third parties could develop applications that you run remotely and where you always would ru | 23:32 |
| konttori | latest release! " | 23:32 |
| konttori | Think about that. | 23:32 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | n900fly... now there's an app! | 23:33 |
| JoshTriplett | From what repository should I grab random unmodified Debian packages compiled for Maemo, for things like git-core, tree, or htop? | 23:34 |
| xorAxAx | lcuk: x86 | 23:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd hope htop is in 'tools' | 23:34 |
| konttori | In case anyone is interested in getting qml development tools "the easy way" - ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qml/ | 23:34 |
| konttori | (windows, osx and linux offered) | 23:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | konttori: you're calling ftp:// easy? | 23:35 |
| lcuk | konttori, yeah, then couple it with a web server on my machine | 23:35 |
| lcuk | and have software recitals | 23:35 |
| lcuk | live concerts | 23:35 |
| lcuk | with code | 23:35 |
| konttori | timeless_mbp do. | 23:35 |
| konttori | s/do./I do. | 23:35 |
| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: tools? | 23:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 23:36 |
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| * konttori just noticed his adsl speed had been bumped up from 2 megs to 8. (noticed it for the first time - yay!) | 23:36 | |
| lcuk | konttori, there is a level where that sort of paradigm break down tho | 23:37 |
| lcuk | simple composite widgets "work" to a degree | 23:37 |
| timeless_mbp | konttori: poor you | 23:37 |
| lcuk | but its the stuff within those widgets that needs filling | 23:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i have 12mb down | 23:37 |
| GAN900 | My buddy bought a Mini 10v and didn't get the HD LCD | 23:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and .8mbps up http://www.speedtest.net/ | 23:37 |
| konttori | well, for me, getting speed 4x faster than it used to, makes me happy | 23:37 |
| konttori | lcuk: what do you mean? You can refer to external js files for logic and to any external data sources for data. | 23:38 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 23:39 | |
| * timeless_mbp hates mapping things | 23:39 | |
| flux | this guy (hi jebba ;)) has a load of dbus message examples on his site: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#DBUS . Does anyone have an idea how to switch profiles, from silent to general(?) and vice versa? | 23:39 |
| lcuk | konttori, how do you draw a mandelbrot set using a composite widget | 23:39 |
| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: thanks! | 23:39 |
| lcuk | or a fluid dynamics simulation or fly over a world with aliens | 23:40 |
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| konttori | lcuk: ah. I haven't checked if they have bitmap manipulation, but I would assume you can do that pretty easily with js. | 23:40 |
| lcuk | you still need actual real code on the metal | 23:40 |
| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: Looks like exactly what I needed. Adding repo now, filing requests for new tools shortly. :) | 23:40 |
| wazd_n800 | here we go again | 23:40 |
| lcuk | im not on about simple stuff, how do games get there | 23:40 |
| konttori | anyway, for that kind of work, you have a c++ do the work | 23:40 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 23:40 | |
| lcuk | ok, so the remote run paradigm breaks | 23:40 |
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| konttori | lcuk: well, I still think you can code that on js files. | 23:41 |
| konttori | haven't had yet enough fun to know for sure | 23:41 |
| * lcuk nods | 23:41 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok... so... | 23:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone here know anyone in warwick? | 23:42 |
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| granden | Can Ichange the calaneder date-format with the terminal? | 23:44 |
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| * wazd_n800 looks for I-MAX Avatar tickets | 23:44 | |
| timeless_mbp | granden: what do oyu mean? | 23:44 |
| timeless_mbp | s/oyu/you/ | 23:45 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: granden: what do you mean? | 23:45 |
| timeless_mbp | the date format in the maemo5 calendar is controlled by your locale iirc | 23:45 |
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| granden | Damn boot, I'm perfectly able to understand that :) | 23:45 |
| timeless_mbp | 'boot'? | 23:45 |
| granden | timeless_mbp: O | 23:45 |
| granden | Lol | 23:45 |
| granden | bot* | 23:45 |
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| RST38h | <sleep> | 23:46 |
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| granden | Hmm, then its strange. Got swedish keyboard but english language. | 23:46 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, gnite | 23:46 |
| timeless_mbp | keyboard layout is independently controlled | 23:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's in settings>text input | 23:46 |
| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: Argh. Authentication error. Where do I get the right key for that repo? Packaged somewhere? | 23:47 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Booo hiss | 23:47 |
| johnq_ | Hi! Should the icon in the deb-control-file be exactly 26x26 pixels or larger? | 23:47 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Can't connect my N900 to my N810 in USB host mode | 23:47 |
| timeless_mbp | JoshTriplett: err | 23:47 |
| timeless_mbp | afaik the tools repo is open | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: just came to home in .pl after 16 hours drive.. looks good but will comment better later | 23:47 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, ok) | 23:47 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, jeez, 16 hours?! | 23:48 |
| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: I mean the key for apt's secure repo authentication. | 23:48 |
| wazd_n800 | moscow imax is Avatar exclusive)9 | 23:48 |
| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: Signed Release files and such. | 23:49 |
| jebba | flux: hey. I dont know that off hand. | 23:49 |
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| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: Argh, n900 rebooted. ;) | 23:51 |
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| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: Anyway: apt-key knows about a pile of Nokia and Maemo repository signing keys, but the fremantle tools repository doesn't seem to have a signature from any of them. | 23:53 |
| johnq_ | ah, the icons are 48x48 pixels (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging) | 23:53 |
| timeless_mbp | JoshTriplett: is this fatal or a warning? | 23:53 |
| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: "Install these packages without verification [y/N]?". Technically overridable, but I shouldn't have to do so to use a repository. I guess I need to file a bug. :) | 23:57 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 23:57 | |
| timeless_mbp | i always get that | 23:57 |
| timeless_mbp | i've never cared | 23:57 |
| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: Much like an SSL security warning, you *can* override it, but you *shouldn't*. ;) | 23:57 |
| timeless_mbp | fair enough | 23:57 |
| timeless_mbp | ime all nokia/maemo repos are misconfigured | 23:57 |
| timeless_mbp | and i don't actually consider any of the software trustworthy | 23:58 |
| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: "misconfigured" how? | 23:58 |
| timeless_mbp | bad keys/no keys | 23:58 |
| timeless_mbp | no useful security on the uploaders | 23:59 |
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