| woglinde | because its only setup frontend for nxssh and nxproxy | 00:00 |
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| woglinde | hm when you know all commands for nxssh and nxproxy yes | 00:00 |
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| woglinde | hm I didnt apply all patches the libnxcl commandline stuff | 00:00 |
| woglinde | maybee I should | 00:00 |
| * jaem nods | 00:01 | |
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| * lcuk almost bought a windows 7 machine yesterday | 00:01 | |
| woglinde | I dont like libnxcl commands this much | 00:01 |
| woglinde | lcuk buhhhh | 00:01 |
| lcuk | big 20" multitouch | 00:01 |
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| woglinde | lcuk better bye a new n900 | 00:02 |
| lcuk | i was stood in the shop idly drawing my calendar and stuff on the screen | 00:02 |
| woglinde | oh I forgot everyone at you firm got one | 00:02 |
| lcuk | i unboxed my first n900 on monday night as it happens woglinde | 00:02 |
| lcuk | first ever one tho :$ | 00:02 |
| * lcuk liked it | 00:02 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:02 |
| lcuk | it was like a real present | 00:02 |
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| woglinde | yes yes | 00:02 |
| woglinde | saw the blog entry | 00:03 |
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| Gadgetoid | Windows 7 isn't bad, it's buying a Vista machine that would hurt | 00:03 |
| lcuk | did i blog about it? | 00:03 |
| woglinde | now | 00:03 |
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| woglinde | but some colleague | 00:03 |
| lcuk | well they had single touch version of same machine | 00:03 |
| lcuk | and it was poor in comparisonm | 00:03 |
| woglinde | args now=no | 00:03 |
| lcuk | i actually liked the MT display | 00:03 |
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| eitreach | Gadgetoid, what do I need to open the deb on my n900? | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | eitreach: torx t8 | 00:03 |
| Gadgetoid | eitreach: If you don't already know, then telling you would be irresponsible *COUGH*gainroot*COUGH*sudo dpkg -i file.deb*COUGH* | 00:04 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, lol | 00:04 |
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| eitreach | Gadgetoid, ah.. I was hoping for a gui-application. :p oh well.. dpkg it is. Thanks. | 00:05 |
| ifreq | that makes me wonder what you do with single .deb file anyways | 00:06 |
| Gadgetoid | Haha, yeah a gui for dpkg would be nice... we could call it Application Fiddler | 00:06 |
| Gadgetoid | Or Application Manager | 00:06 |
| lcuk | i'd love to bypass debs for simple day to day apps | 00:06 |
| lcuk | and have apps as data | 00:06 |
| jon1012 | eitreach: you can put your application manager in red pill mode and select install from file | 00:07 |
| jon1012 | eitreach: and select a .deb | 00:07 |
| ifreq | or just install sw from app manager | 00:08 |
| lcuk | yes, install liqtorch and liqflow | 00:08 |
| lcuk | now in Extras! | 00:08 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:08 |
| woglinde | did I say I hate the "red pill mode" phrase | 00:08 |
| ifreq | or soon your next question is "my device wont boot" | 00:08 |
| jaem | woglinde, do you have a source tarball for qtnx that you could post? | 00:08 |
| woglinde | jaem apt-get source | 00:08 |
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| jaem | woglinde, >_< | 00:08 |
| woglinde | jaem what did you expected? | 00:09 |
| jaem | woglinde, well, I normally use Arch, so I was having a thinko | 00:09 |
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| Gadgetoid | I'll probably have a proper theme up after crimbo eitreach | 00:10 |
| woglinde | jaem install sdk, add deb-src line | 00:10 |
| woglinde | apt-get update | 00:10 |
| jaem | woglinde, yeah, I remember now | 00:10 |
| woglinde | apt-get source qtnx | 00:10 |
| jaem | I just forgot momentarily :) | 00:10 |
| woglinde | no prob | 00:10 |
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| eitreach | Gadgetoid, crimbo? I'm not into the maemo-lingo yet, sadly. :/ | 00:10 |
| lcuk | christmas | 00:11 |
| lcuk | thats northern | 00:11 |
| eitreach | ohh.. right. | 00:11 |
| jaem | woglinde, I have to go run some errands - I'll work on this on the way, and let you know how it works when I get back | 00:11 |
| jaem | cheers | 00:11 |
| woglinde | jo | 00:11 |
| Gadgetoid | Hahaha | 00:11 |
| Gadgetoid | I'm not even Northern... just weird | 00:12 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:12 |
| jaem | haha... I thought my Ubuntu stickers were postal stamps for a moment XD | 00:12 |
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| jon1012 | sorry I'm back | 00:16 |
| jon1012 | so, someone willing to beta test the app about which I've shown some screenshots before ? | 00:17 |
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| jon1012 | lcuk: why "looks good for python" ? ;) python apps can be as beautiful as other languages... :) | 00:18 |
| lcuk | hence my next remark :) | 00:18 |
| jebba | jon1012: i'd love to :) | 00:19 |
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| jon1012 | hehe | 00:19 |
| jon1012 | jebba: however, my service is only in paris, lyon and lisbon for now... :( | 00:20 |
| jebba | uh | 00:20 |
| jebba | get me a ticket and i'll test it there | 00:20 |
| Gadgetoid | jon1012: will it blow up my shiznit? | 00:20 |
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| jon1012 | jebba: http://www.parisenvies.com/ http://www.lyonenvies.com/ http://www.noitesdelisboa.com/ | 00:20 |
| jebba | but why just there? | 00:20 |
| jon1012 | because it takes time to launch a website in a city | 00:20 |
| jebba | ah, for the recommendations. But what about for streetview and such. | 00:20 |
| jon1012 | oh, you mean, making a simple app without all the bars and restaurants stuff I do on my websites ? | 00:21 |
| jebba | well, i mean the part where you look up a contact and it shows street view | 00:21 |
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| jebba | http://i.imagehost.org/0783/screenshot05.png | 00:22 |
| jon1012 | jebba: those aren't contacts but places :) it's my own ui, not the contact app | 00:22 |
| jebba | ah | 00:22 |
| jon1012 | I tried to make my app look as native as possible | 00:22 |
| jebba | i thought it was like a plugin to contacts | 00:22 |
| jebba | lemme know when buenos aires is ready ;) | 00:22 |
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| jebba | http://i.imagehost.org/0484/screenshot07.png that though should work no? anywhere? | 00:23 |
| jon1012 | jebba: for that, I just launch a browser through dbus to an url on my website | 00:24 |
| jon1012 | than shows a streetview at the correct resolution for n900 | 00:24 |
| jebba | ah. | 00:24 |
| jon1012 | but I could do that as an app | 00:24 |
| jon1012 | that points to my server | 00:24 |
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| jon1012 | jebba: http://www.parisenvies.com/lieux/lieu/streetview/havanita | 00:25 |
| jebba | heh. i've been to that Crocodile (Le) bar, it is rad :) | 00:25 |
| jon1012 | rad ? | 00:25 |
| jebba | never seen a place so packed, serving up so many "complicated" drinks, with like 3 employees only. really good place... | 00:26 |
| jon1012 | hehe | 00:26 |
| jebba | it's listed on your front page right now | 00:26 |
| jebba | right by parc du luxembourgh | 00:26 |
| jon1012 | ok | 00:26 |
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| jebba | http://www.parisenvies.com/lieux/lieu/streetview/havanita <-- going there gives me a big black box | 00:26 |
| jon1012 | jebba: on n900 ? just wait while it loads | 00:26 |
| jebba | ah no | 00:27 |
| jebba | sry... | 00:27 |
| jon1012 | jebba: look at the sourcecode of the page, it's dead simple :) | 00:28 |
| jebba | gives me a big black screen on n900 at the moment too.. /me waiting | 00:28 |
| jebba | ok downloading now finally | 00:29 |
| jebba | cool | 00:29 |
| jon1012 | to move use the controls on top left | 00:29 |
| jon1012 | I have to find a way to make it faster anyway :) | 00:29 |
| jebba | also can do a swipe from left to right then click the arrow thing to disable the move around thing | 00:29 |
| nomis | hi all. Did anybody in here ever use irreco with success? I seem to be able to download from the lircDB, but I fail to add a command to a button when trying to create one. | 00:29 |
| jon1012 | yeah | 00:30 |
| florian | same here | 00:32 |
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| Anidel | http://ares.palm.com/Ares/about.html | 00:33 |
| Anidel | pretty nice | 00:33 |
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| hcarrega | lisbon | 00:35 |
| hcarrega | im from lisbon | 00:35 |
| hcarrega | :) | 00:36 |
| jebba | jon1012: ah ya, i just tried to use your code to do the same thing for my house in buenos aires, but i need my own key.... | 00:36 |
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| jaem | woglinde, poke | 00:39 |
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| jaem | woglinde, same issue as before - the nxssh command line is truncated | 00:42 |
| jaem | as far as I can tell | 00:42 |
| woglinde | jaem hms | 00:42 |
| woglinde | it works forme in diablo | 00:42 |
| jaem | it gets as far as asking me whether I want a new session or not, and just bails | 00:42 |
| jaem | but the nxssh processes stay running, albeit not doing anything useful | 00:42 |
| jaem | they have to be killed manually | 00:42 |
| woglinde | yeah | 00:42 |
| woglinde | thats known | 00:42 |
| jaem | yeah, I don't know... this is exactly what happened in Diablo | 00:43 |
| jaem | oh? | 00:43 |
| woglinde | and not to be solved easily | 00:43 |
| jaem | hmm | 00:43 |
| woglinde | cannt kill nxssh at random | 00:43 |
| jaem | yah | 00:43 |
| jaem | yeah* | 00:43 |
| jaem | I'll have to get back to you about it later, though | 00:43 |
| woglinde | jepp | 00:43 |
| ifreq | is there a scratchbox for osx or is it advisable to install under ie. linux vmware box | 00:43 |
| woglinde | could you please send me a log? | 00:43 |
| jaem | ifreq, it only works on Linux | 00:43 |
| jaem | woglinde, of what? the NX communication? | 00:44 |
| woglinde | jaem qtnx | 00:44 |
| jaem | or packets? | 00:44 |
| woglinde | from console | 00:44 |
| ifreq | jaem: okay, well that does it then --> installing any linux distro | 00:44 |
| jaem | ah - sure | 00:44 |
| woglinde | ifreq install vm | 00:44 |
| jaem | ifreq, well, you won't have fun with anything not Debian-based | 00:44 |
| jaem | and yes, the VM is much easier to get running | 00:44 |
| jaem | but if you must, at least use Debian, *buntu, or something similar | 00:44 |
| woglinde | there are vmware images with installed sdk flying around | 00:44 |
| ifreq | jaem: what about archlinux? | 00:44 |
| * jaem ducks | 00:44 | |
| jaem | there goes one now! | 00:44 |
| ifreq | thats what i like more than suxbuntu or debian :P | 00:45 |
| jaem | ifreq, I run Arch, and believe me, you won't have fun with it | 00:45 |
| jaem | you may be able to use an Ubuntu chroot, though | 00:45 |
| ifreq | yeh with SDK mayb | 00:45 |
| ifreq | but i like arch as generic :P | 00:45 |
| jaem | debootstrap should be in the AUR | 00:45 |
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| woglinde | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 00:45 |
| ifreq | mmkay thanks wog | 00:45 |
| jaem | cheers | 00:45 |
| ifreq | i want to test pkgsrc bootstrapping on it *g* | 00:45 |
| jon1012 | jebba: for localhost and local files no | 00:46 |
| ifreq | +some package building | 00:46 |
| jon1012 | jebba: however, for a domain yeah | 00:46 |
| jon1012 | jebba: just go to google api site and request a key | 00:46 |
| jebba | ah, duh, no streetview in buenos aires. /me quickly loses interest hmm | 00:46 |
| Gadgetoid | Weird, sudo dpkg failzor | 00:46 |
| jebba | ya, i got one and a totally white screen.... | 00:46 |
| jon1012 | go to google maps and see if you have a little man in yellow on top left | 00:47 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SOhtivlZ9U Playstation Emulator build one | 00:48 |
| jon1012 | wow ! | 00:48 |
| jon1012 | I was waiting for this emulator so much ! | 00:48 |
| jebba | jon1012: ya, i see one. What's that mean? | 00:48 |
| woglinde | jo pupnik | 00:48 |
| jon1012 | jebba: move that yellow man in streets | 00:48 |
| ifreq | hmm fast link atleast.. downloading with 10MB/sec atm (@home) <3 | 00:48 |
| jebba | ah cool. | 00:48 |
| jon1012 | jebba: you'll see which streets have google street view | 00:48 |
| pupnik | servus woglinde | 00:49 |
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| jebba | ya, none in south america | 00:49 |
| pupnik | been looking at pulseaudio some more. it is so nicely done. | 00:49 |
| woglinde | pupnik hm pulse? | 00:50 |
| woglinde | what you looked excatly? | 00:50 |
| pupnik | yeah. you can just throw stuff at /dev/dsp | 00:50 |
| pupnik | unlike n810 | 00:50 |
| woglinde | hm? | 00:51 |
| woglinde | dsp sink? | 00:51 |
| pupnik | that video is going thru oss emulation | 00:51 |
| pupnik | and the sound doesn't even break up | 00:51 |
| woglinde | aeh? | 00:51 |
| pupnik | somebody at nokia pretty much solved all our sound compatibility problems | 00:51 |
| pupnik | just compile it and the audio works | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. Pulseaudio is so wonderful. | 00:52 |
| woglinde | pupnik last discussion it seemed to me the contracted directly for this task | 00:52 |
| woglinde | ars + leannrd | 00:52 |
| woglinde | lennard | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | It only uses half the CPU. A bargain. | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | (seemingly, at times) | 00:52 |
| pupnik | well maybe i'm wrong. i have 64kb of memory for whole brain. | 00:52 |
| pupnik | yeah but i'm starting to think it's worth it | 00:53 |
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| pupnik | i'm still gonna experiment with bypassing pulse | 00:54 |
| pupnik | because whoever did this audio thing made that possible also | 00:54 |
| pupnik | but for psx the main speed will come from gles | 00:54 |
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| woglinde | pupnki yes | 00:55 |
| ifreq | btw is there kismet on repos yet? i remember it was in the past atleast | 00:55 |
| pupnik | i can't believe how well that psx4all is written - the freaking audio does not break up even when it is overloaded | 00:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Well - attempt -1 - kill pulseaudio and run mplayer - diddn't work. /me will look into it more tomorrow :) | 01:00 |
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| pupnik | SpeedEvil: wanna help? | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure how. | 01:06 |
| SpeedEvil | you have hardware don't you? | 01:06 |
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| Arkenoi | omfg: http://www.cellphones.ca/news/upload/2008/11/iphone_keyboard04.jpg | 01:11 |
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| Anidel | about to promote Xournal to extras... at last | 01:12 |
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| jon1012 | omg I've just seen how is the english keyboard of the n900 ! | 01:14 |
| jon1012 | my n900 has arrow keys as function keys | 01:14 |
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| jon1012 | why didn't they set it up as english keyboards ? :( | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | A optimus keyboard on it would be so cool | 01:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | woohoo | 01:18 |
| woglinde | re timeless_mbp | 01:18 |
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| pupnik | google is tying a string around my balls | 01:18 |
| jebba | Arkenoi: i still don't see pipe (|) on that "huge" keyboard. | 01:19 |
| Anidel | Xournal promoted.. I should celebrate. | 01:19 |
| jebba | jon1012: yes, i just saw that disaster today, re: arrows. Someone was complaining they couldnt play burgerspace because of no arrow keys. WTF? how to fix shit like that?!? | 01:20 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 01:20 | |
| Gadgetoid | Pipefail! | 01:20 |
| jebba | nice one Anidel :) | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | did anyone make a package for bt dun? | 01:20 |
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| Anidel | jebba: it took a month!! | 01:20 |
| jon1012 | jebba: I had the same problem, couldn't use burgerspace | 01:20 |
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| xorAxAx | is there a list somewhere of all packages in devel that are not in testing? | 01:26 |
| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#diffmo.21 you all want that if you miss diff | 01:27 |
| jebba | jon1012: if you have any hints how to solve it, i'm interested. Seems it would fk all games. | 01:28 |
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| jebba | [2009-12-18 01:23:17] diffmo 1:2.8.1-20 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository | 01:28 |
| jebba | cool | 01:28 |
| jebba | I think someone said that updates at about :45 past the hour | 01:29 |
| lardman | evening chaps | 01:29 |
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| lardman | what's all this optify crap hey? | 01:30 |
| derf | And I thought I wasn't paying attention. | 01:30 |
| lardman | should absolutely everything be optified, all the files in a package? | 01:30 |
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| lardman | derf: :p | 01:30 |
| woglinde | he lardman | 01:31 |
| lardman | http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-51243cc4dea211de82a3dd05dba7fe18fe18 | 01:31 |
| derf | There are a number of different approaches, and no consistency. | 01:31 |
| woglinde | lardman no crap | 01:31 |
| jebba | ya, everyting, except icons and .desktop | 01:31 |
| lardman | if this and that I'll vote for it, well wonderful, but I'm not overly bothered ;) | 01:31 |
| lardman | hi woglinde | 01:31 |
| derf | One is to put everything in /opt, and symlinks from where they're supposed to be. | 01:31 |
| woglinde | mameo-optify is good solution | 01:31 |
| lardman | I thought it was just large data-type files? | 01:32 |
| derf | Which is I think what maemo-optify does. | 01:32 |
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| derf | I just put large data-type files there, and still use a few hundred K of / | 01:32 |
| jebba | maemo-optify by default moves everything over 2k. THough IMHO it should move everything. It left me with 600k in / still with asterisk package. | 01:33 |
| lardman | hmm, well this is ultimately pointless too | 01:33 |
| Anidel | nite guys | 01:33 |
| jebba | (lots of small sounds) | 01:33 |
| lardman | sounds like ipkg-link to me | 01:33 |
| lardman | night Anidel | 01:33 |
| Anidel | hey lard, nite | 01:33 |
| jebba | VDVsx was saying maemo-optify is for the lazy and it should be done right in rules | 01:33 |
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| ifreq | how do you get scratchbox on networking state? | 01:33 |
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| ifreq | it has req ip from nat and just configured dns, cant resolve tho | 01:34 |
| Roaziel | is there a way to get facebook chat in the itegrated rtcomm of the n900? | 01:35 |
| lardman | I mean I'm very happy that users are taking the time to tell devs what to do, but when the entire binary size of the package is ~64kb, really why bother? | 01:35 |
| jebba | ifreq: there are two resolv.conf's in there. try adding: nameserver 8.8.8.8 to both of them | 01:35 |
| lardman | Roaziel: I think someone was talking about that on TMO | 01:35 |
| jebba | lardman because they add up | 01:35 |
| Roaziel | whats tmo? :P | 01:35 |
| ifreq | jebba: aha hmmkay | 01:36 |
| jebba | talk.maemo.org | 01:36 |
| Roaziel | ah | 01:36 |
| ifreq | jebba: wheres the 2nd? :) | 01:36 |
| lardman | jebba: yeah, but you need *lots* of them | 01:36 |
| Roaziel | Also, while I'm here. can anyone excplain why garage.maemo.org is soooo slow on my computer | 01:36 |
| Roaziel | It loads for like 5 minutes before the page shows up | 01:36 |
| lardman | needs server upgrade, is scheduled | 01:37 |
| Roaziel | Ah, so its not just me then. thanks | 01:37 |
| lardman | no, not just you, don't worry :) | 01:37 |
| lardman | np | 01:37 |
| jebba | is everyone for months apparently | 01:37 |
| xorAxAx | oh, so many packages in -devel that are not in testing | 01:37 |
| lardman | getting worse now though | 01:37 |
| lardman | more people looking, etc | 01:37 |
| lardman | xorAxAx: I do wonder about a page which shows interest in promotion from -devel to -testing | 01:38 |
| jebba | /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf hmm, maybe need to change in /targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/etc/resolv.conf and /targets/FREMANTLE_X86/etc/resolv.conf too, but not certain. It "just worked" for me. | 01:38 |
| lardman | I have stuff in there that I won't bother promoting until I'm ready to use it, but if others want it, etc | 01:38 |
| jebba | well, it takes forever to submit a comment on a package..... | 01:39 |
| jebba | who is going to spend 30 minutes when it takes so fucking long? I went to do that today and got thru 2 packages. | 01:39 |
| lardman | yeah well, just wait for the servers to be sorted | 01:39 |
| jebba | i can't believe everyone isn't freaking out running around in circles about diffmo. Don't you use diff? | 01:39 |
| lardman | before xmas I hope | 01:40 |
| jebba | ... | 01:40 |
| bleader | I have a question, maybe dumb, about repositories, I googled some apps I'd like to install, they seem to be listed to be in extra, but I don't seem to see them (I enabled extra, update/refresh) still no luck. Am I missing something obvious ? | 01:40 |
| * lardman wonders what diffmo is | 01:40 | |
| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#diffmo.21 simply diff! but you can actually install it on your n900. | 01:40 |
| Roaziel | All I found at TMO is someone saying "it's coming"... So I take it Facebook Chat wont be here any time soon since there wasnt even a propper link to testing | 01:41 |
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| lardman | jebba: why rename the package? | 01:41 |
| jebba | because you can't install regular "diff" conflicts with busybox | 01:42 |
| lardman | bleader: can you give me an example, will take a look for you? | 01:42 |
| lardman | jebba: ah, ok | 01:42 |
| bleader | midnight commander | 01:42 |
| lardman | device? | 01:42 |
| bleader | n900 | 01:42 |
| lardman | ok | 01:42 |
| bleader | http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=Midnight_Commander&fldAuto=949&faq=42 | 01:42 |
| bleader | but maybe their "category" isn't accurate :) | 01:43 |
| ifreq | jebba: thanks. /scratchbox/etc/resolv* was enuff | 01:43 |
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| lardman | is not in extras anyway: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/m/ | 01:43 |
| jebba | np | 01:43 |
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| bleader | well that may explain things :) | 01:43 |
| lardman | hmm, doesn't seem to be in extras-devel either | 01:44 |
| lardman | nor extras-testing | 01:44 |
| lardman | so no idea I'm afraid | 01:44 |
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| bleader | lardman: thanks anyway, I'll add extras-testing to fiddle around a bit that should do it for now :) | 01:46 |
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| lardman | cool, np | 01:46 |
| Roaziel | Is there a way to turn off a specific app after a specific amount of time? :P | 01:47 |
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| * lardman writes a daemon to update Google Latitude location at set times | 01:48 | |
| jon1012 | how can I import a playlist into kmplayer, someone knowsz ? | 01:48 |
| jebba | hmm, just got invalid signature for extras-devel | 01:48 |
| lardman | jebba: repo is a bit knackered | 01:49 |
| lardman | Roaziel: not that I know of, though Shepherd may be able to help once it's out | 01:49 |
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| Arkenoi | lardman, cool, having location updates without significant battery drain is great | 01:49 |
| jebba | a knackered repo may not reply, but shouldn't: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD | 01:49 |
| lardman | Arkenoi: just working out the logic of when to perform the updates, and how to turn the connection back off,e tc | 01:50 |
| lardman | jebba: interesting | 01:50 |
| lardman | RST38h: did you upload fbreader to free in the end? | 01:52 |
| eluiandil | How I can check "Kernel markers" support? | 01:52 |
| lardman | ? | 01:52 |
| lardman | where is this from? | 01:52 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, yes. | 01:54 |
| Roaziel | wow shepherd sounds awesome. Whats the status on that? | 01:54 |
| Arkenoi | lard: i think the good idea is detect status (moving/still, indoors/outdoors) and choose when to update next time using that information. Say, if you are on the street and moving, you probably want to update more frequently, if you are in cafe - probably not | 01:55 |
| lardman | hey GAN900, what's up? | 01:55 |
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| lardman | Arkenoi: yeah will offer a variety - timed updates (obviously no update if liblocation says no movement), updates only when connection available, etc | 01:56 |
| jebba | eluiandil: if you are talking about CONFIG_MARKERS, it is NOT set. So it is not enabled in stock kernel. | 01:56 |
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| Milo- | you know how you choose the time of day when you create alarms? | 01:57 |
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| Milo- | which graphic library has that? | 01:57 |
| jebba | is anyone else getting "BADSIG E40DC434616730BD" when doing apt-get update with the extras-devel repo? | 01:58 |
| jebba | sorry, just extras repo, not -devel | 01:58 |
| Milo- | GPE Calendar doesn't have that, it uses spinners/scrollers which are usable with a mouse. | 01:58 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | why are you doing that jebba? | 01:59 |
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| jebba | Gadgetoid_n900: why am i doing what? I am doing an apt-get update so i can get the headers so i can install things (??) | 01:59 |
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| Roaziel | Ok I'm new so I have to get away with this question: When is the next firmware coming and how is it installed (will I get a message that notifies me or what?) | 02:00 |
| jebba | Roaziel: if you're paying attention at all, i'm sure you'll hear tons about it. Who knows when. | 02:00 |
| lardman | Roaziel: should be pretty soon | 02:00 |
| Roaziel | Ok, thanks :) | 02:00 |
| Milo- | lardman is there any changes list for that yet? | 02:01 |
| jebba | really? good. i wonder when pretty soon is hah | 02:01 |
| jebba | in nokia-internal i'm sure there is... | 02:01 |
| Milo- | jebba if nokia is in charge, 2 months, then | 02:01 |
| lardman | Milo-: no | 02:01 |
| Milo- | lardman too bad | 02:01 |
| Milo- | hopefully they fix the date-format 'bug' | 02:01 |
| jebba | i hope they just get my timezone correct haha | 02:02 |
| Milo- | I have few enchancements which I need to request, is bugzilla okay for those? | 02:02 |
| lardman | Milo-: depends how specific they are | 02:02 |
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| jebba | Milo-: if they are small ya. But check they arent there already. If they are big, go watch the cursor spin at "brainstorm" | 02:02 |
| lardman | Milo-: for specific then bugzilla is fine, otherwise brainstorm | 02:02 |
| Shapeshifter | lol someone requested "native port of putty" for the n900 xD | 02:03 |
| Shapeshifter | what a brilliant idea | 02:03 |
| lardman | :) | 02:03 |
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| Shapeshifter | he also requested "Port of Dalvik and android store, should not be tooo hard but will instantly give us thousands of apps" | 02:04 |
| Milo- | okay, for calendar I would suggest that they made the 'alarm before' menu to let you choose any day+hour+minute combination | 02:04 |
| Milo- | but I can't suggest them how to do that | 02:04 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | shapeshifter... that guy is a genius | 02:04 |
| Milo- | since I don't have any clue about the inner implementatio | 02:04 |
| Milo- | n | 02:04 |
| Shapeshifter | total genius | 02:04 |
| * ifreq is trying to run pkgsrc bootstrap atm on @scratchbox | 02:05 | |
| ifreq | will be interesting :) | 02:05 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | android kinda sucks | 02:05 |
| jebba | would be cool if android apps could just run though. I mean, why not? | 02:05 |
| jon1012 | I guess installing android on n900 should be feasible | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: you'd need a wine-alike layer | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is not implausible | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | but which does not as of yet exist | 02:06 |
| lardman | Ok, so my update scheme is: 1) every x minutes 1i) only update if connection available 1ii) connect and update automatically 2) update whenever liblocation says location has changed 2i) only when connection available 2ii) connect and update automatically | 02:06 |
| lardman | anything else? | 02:06 |
| jon1012 | SpeedEvil: well, android is based on linux... installing those layers on the current kernel could be done, no ? | 02:06 |
| arachnist | SpeedEvil: dalvik is just a custom "jre" + vm | 02:07 |
| jebba | SpeedEvil: i dont even know what the android fones run. They arm too? | 02:07 |
| jon1012 | SpeedEvil: even if totally strange and counterproductive | 02:07 |
| jebba | is dalvik open? | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | jon1012: In the same way that you can install a 8 cylinder 2l engine on a motorcycle | 02:07 |
| arachnist | SpeedEvil: all you'd have to do, is port dalvik to X11 | 02:07 |
| lardman | jebba: yeah tend to be arm afaik | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | android is not linux as it's usually thought of. | 02:07 |
| arachnist | (android uses framebuffer, or so it seems) | 02:07 |
| jebba | so should be feasible. Would be cool. Cuz then all those apps and androiders can stfu + all very cool native apps. | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | It's got lots of utterly incompatible libs and stuff | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | it's possible - but, not very simple | 02:08 |
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| lardman | well Android has been made to run on the N8x0, but allowing it to be part of the Maemo system is somewhat more complex | 02:08 |
| jebba | well, if we can run ancient roms we should be able to run open source java crap i would think. Not that i'm dying for any android apps, jsut sayin' | 02:08 |
| lardman | it would need to hook into the middle layer libs etc that are used by maemo | 02:08 |
| jebba | i mean, not replacing maemo, but just as an app within maemo | 02:08 |
| lardman | yeah, more difficult | 02:08 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | i never really found any killer android apps | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - and some of the libs are going to work in fundamentally different ways | 02:09 |
| jebba | need qemu ;) | 02:09 |
| lardman | probably, depending on what's needed by that app | 02:09 |
| lardman | no, no need for qemu | 02:09 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | will have to give it another shot when the milestone shows up | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | An iphone/android emulator would be lolworthy. | 02:09 |
| lardman | needs a kernel patch or two, then just run the jvm, but it's the support libs that will be hard to integrate I think | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Also you've got the footprint | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | if you're jamming in another 60M of software say - that's gonna slow stuff down | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | into RAM | 02:10 |
| lardman | which is why you'd need to re-write all the support stuff, to be a thin layer | 02:11 |
| jebba | ya, java is pig | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | good luck with a thin jvm | 02:11 |
| lardman | not necessarily hard, but would take a long while me thinks | 02:11 |
| jebba | i was kinda stoked when i heard about google+linux+fone, but they've done it just about the shittiest way possible from my perspectiv.e | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 02:12 |
| luke-jr_ | what do you expect when google is in the equation? | 02:12 |
| jebba | if you want to do anything you hvae to stare at a java SDK all day blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | openmoko nearly got there. | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | But kinda dropped the ball around april 2007 | 02:12 |
| jebba | i ordered openmoko fone twice and set up sdk and such, but never got one. | 02:12 |
| luke-jr_ | jebba: really? | 02:12 |
| luke-jr_ | no wonder they failed | 02:13 |
| luke-jr_ | if even people who ordered didn't get it | 02:13 |
| jebba | too many delays, lost their momentum, then they just dropped it unfortunately. | 02:13 |
| orbarron | what is the command to remove a package that was installed in maemo using dpkg -i? | 02:13 |
| lardman | I thought about getting one, but was expensive | 02:13 |
| luke-jr_ | still is expensive | 02:13 |
| luke-jr_ | Pandora is cheaper | 02:13 |
| jebba | orbarron: apt-get remove foo | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | $300? | 02:14 |
| luke-jr_ | $350 now, isn't it? | 02:14 |
| lardman | well Pandora doens't exist yet tho ;) | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | $350 | 02:14 |
| jebba | not too bad at all for what it was | 02:14 |
| luke-jr_ | lardman: it does | 02:14 |
| luke-jr_ | jebba: today | 02:14 |
| lardman | luke-jr_: does any normal punter actually possess one yet? | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | can you actually order pandora today and it'll be with you in a week - say | 02:14 |
| luke-jr_ | lardman: no clue | 02:15 |
| lardman | I think not | 02:15 |
| luke-jr_ | SpeedEvil: you won't be able to ever probably | 02:15 |
| luke-jr_ | SpeedEvil: supposedly all the orders are sold | 02:15 |
| jon1012 | what is pandora ? | 02:15 |
| lardman | so until normal people have them, I'll stand by my "it not existing" comment, with tongue slightly in cheek | 02:15 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | a woman | 02:15 |
| lardman | jon1012: google for openpandora | 02:15 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | with bewbs | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: don't forget the box. | 02:15 |
| jon1012 | oh ok I see | 02:15 |
| luke-jr_ | jon1012: OMAP 3 gaming console handheld | 02:16 |
| jon1012 | it's ugly ! | 02:16 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | ahh yes... an empty box at the moment | 02:16 |
| jon1012 | (sorry, just shared my first thought seeing it) | 02:16 |
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| lardman | Gadgetoid_n900: I thought it was the lack of a box that has held it up for the past year or so?! ;) | 02:16 |
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| Untouchab1e | Ugh.. starting to develop for Maemo 5 isnt as easy as I hoped it would be | 02:17 |
| Untouchab1e | Tempting to just stuck with Windows Mobile and Android development.. | 02:17 |
| jon1012 | Untouchab1e: really ? what language, what gui lib ? | 02:17 |
| luke-jr_ | Untouchab1e: um, what? | 02:17 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | keep at it untouchable1, I wants apps | 02:17 |
| lardman | Untouchab1e: what's the problem? | 02:17 |
| luke-jr_ | Untouchab1e: just develop in Qt4 and let the magic happen | 02:17 |
| Untouchab1e | Im just running through the documentation here: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/0ea5ec64-2d35-4363-94c0-dd2560c6524b/Get_started_with_Maemo_5.html | 02:18 |
| jon1012 | Untouchab1e: I nearly finished my first maemo 5 app with python and gtk in less than 3 days of work | 02:18 |
| jon1012 | (well less than 2 actually) | 02:18 |
| lardman | Untouchab1e: oh dear, why not use the maemo.org docs instead? | 02:19 |
| Untouchab1e | jon1012: sounds nice, but I just find the whole process of setting up complicated.. With Android, I just download eclipse and the android sdk, and im ready.. For Windows Mobile, I just get Visual Studio and download the Windows Mobile SDK and Im done | 02:19 |
| Untouchab1e | maemo.org directed me to that site, hah | 02:19 |
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| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide | 02:19 |
| * lardman is not fond of video guides | 02:19 | |
| Arkenoi | how can i check *which* number i am receiving short messages from if a contact has multiple numbers? | 02:20 |
| Untouchab1e | lardman: thanks for the link | 02:20 |
| luke-jr_ | Untouchab1e: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/tutorials.html | 02:20 |
| Untouchab1e | will give it a go | 02:20 |
| Milo- | http://u.meelo.org/maemoClock.png <- does that scroll-component come from Qt or Gtk+? | 02:20 |
| lardman | Untouchab1e: np, and you can always ask for pointers if you can't find what you need | 02:20 |
| jon1012 | Milo-: I'd say gtk | 02:20 |
| Untouchab1e | I really feel like developing a bit for Maemo, as Android is so packed with Apps already.. hard to come up with new ideas :) | 02:21 |
| jon1012 | Milo-: I used exactly the same in gtk | 02:21 |
| Milo- | is it pre-made component or do you have to do it yourself? | 02:21 |
| Untouchab1e | and I feel it would be more rewarding to show Maemo some love | 02:21 |
| Untouchab1e | Although my Android apps probably get more attention >.< | 02:21 |
| jon1012 | Milo-: premade, though you have to say 'I want two lists, with that inside' :) | 02:21 |
| Milo- | obviously it's two lists :) | 02:22 |
| jon1012 | Untouchab1e: you may want to try python for developping on n900 | 02:22 |
| jon1012 | Untouchab1e: makes it easier than C :) | 02:22 |
| Untouchab1e | python? Thought C was the thing | 02:22 |
| Untouchab1e | oh.. | 02:22 |
| Untouchab1e | but I know C :) | 02:22 |
| Milo- | nothing wrong with C :) | 02:22 |
| luke-jr_ | just use Qt4 -.- | 02:22 |
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| Milo- | Gtk goes with C :) | 02:22 |
| luke-jr_ | gtk sucks | 02:23 |
| lardman | C is wonderful | 02:23 |
| Untouchab1e | Qt4 isnt a programming language though? Or have I misunderstood | 02:23 |
| jon1012 | Untouchab1e: qt is a windowing lib | 02:23 |
| luke-jr_ | Untouchab1e: it is, though it can be used from other languages | 02:23 |
| jon1012 | Untouchab1e: well widget lib | 02:23 |
| lardman | Untouchab1e: no, it's C++, but it's quite dialect-like | 02:23 |
| Untouchab1e | hmm | 02:23 |
| luke-jr_ | jon1012: QtGui module has widgets, but Qt4 itself is a language | 02:23 |
| lardman | hmm | 02:23 |
| lardman | it's a toolkit | 02:24 |
| luke-jr_ | then C++ is a toolkit :p | 02:24 |
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| Untouchab1e | hmm | 02:24 |
| lardman | no, C++ is a language | 02:24 |
| Untouchab1e | >.< | 02:24 |
| jon1012 | lol | 02:24 |
| lardman | anyway :) | 02:24 |
| luke-jr_ | C++ is no more a language than Qt4 | 02:24 |
| lardman | true, C is the only true language, all others are mere imposters | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | asm | 02:24 |
| Untouchab1e | C++ goes down as a language in my book.. | 02:24 |
| lardman | bow down before C! | 02:24 |
| luke-jr_ | C++ adds a little syntatic sugar and redefines the standard library | 02:24 |
| Untouchab1e | lol | 02:24 |
| jon1012 | Untouchab1e: keep at maemo dev, it's a great platform, and more and more people are getting maemo based terminals | 02:24 |
| luke-jr_ | Qt4 adds a little syntatic sugar and redefines the standard library | 02:24 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: well yeah ;) | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | microcode! | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:25 |
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| Untouchab1e | :) | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | It'd be cool if the programmable microcode of modern intel chips was actually programmable | 02:25 |
| luke-jr_ | you can use QtGui widgets in a C++ or C app or Python app, or you can write an app in 100% Qt4 | 02:25 |
| Untouchab1e | oh well, I will give it some effort eventually I guess | 02:25 |
| lardman | luke-jr_: little...? In the same way that FORTRAN differs "slightly" from C in its syntax? | 02:25 |
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| lardman | Untouchab1e: with that said, Qt not too unpleasant to code in afaiu/r | 02:26 |
| jon1012 | Untouchab1e: fyi, here are screenshots of an app I did _very_ quickly (it's a client for a bar/restaurant cityguide service I own) => http://i.imagehost.org/0075/screenshot04.png http://i.imagehost.org/0783/screenshot05.png http://i.imagehost.org/0183/screenshot06.png | 02:26 |
| luke-jr_ | QtGui is also the future of Maemo ;) | 02:26 |
| Untouchab1e | nice | 02:26 |
| DaveQB | I hope this is the right channel. Anyone use openvpn on the N900? | 02:27 |
| Untouchab1e | jon1012: where are you from? | 02:27 |
| jon1012 | Untouchab1e: france | 02:27 |
| Untouchab1e | Oh, ok | 02:27 |
| Untouchab1e | lol | 02:27 |
| Untouchab1e | I will come back once I have the time and maybe get some help with getting set up.. I think I am kinda locked at the Android way of doing development >.< | 02:28 |
| luke-jr_ | Untouchab1e: Qt4 apps will run on pretty much any platform | 02:28 |
| luke-jr_ | though Android is an exception | 02:28 |
| luke-jr_ | but that's Android's fault <.< | 02:28 |
| lardman | night all | 02:28 |
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| Untouchab1e | haha, I know | 02:28 |
| jon1012 | Untouchab1e: developping for maemo is like developping on computers, not phones... you have many ways of doing it | 02:29 |
| Milo- | yes :) | 02:29 |
| Untouchab1e | jon1012: So Ive figured.. still, ive done quite a bit of Windows application development, and its all Visual Studio.. so easy :D | 02:29 |
| Untouchab1e | I feel I can just concentrate on my application, and kinda let Visual Studio handle everything else | 02:29 |
| jon1012 | oh, I've done a lot of dev on windows, linux, and other platforms... never the sme environment :) | 02:30 |
| luke-jr_ | Untouchab1e: Try Qt4 | 02:30 |
| Untouchab1e | Will do | 02:30 |
| luke-jr_ | Untouchab1e: you can do the same process, but the result will be portable | 02:30 |
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| * jon1012 prefer gtk ;) | 02:30 | |
| luke-jr_ | and run natively on Windows, Mac, Linux, Symbian, and Maemo | 02:30 |
| luke-jr_ | jon1012: GTK will die soon, I hope :) | 02:30 |
| jon1012 | luke-jr_: I don't think so... | 02:31 |
| Untouchab1e | So I reckon the major difference here is that rather than developing for one device or one OS specifically, I make an application that is directly portable to almost anything? | 02:31 |
| luke-jr_ | jon1012: it has no purpose | 02:31 |
| luke-jr_ | Untouchab1e: pretty much | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Untouchab1e: modulo stuff like screen sizes, yes | 02:31 |
| luke-jr_ | Untouchab1e: at least if you use Qt4 | 02:31 |
| jon1012 | luke-jr_: ?? then qt has no purpose too | 02:31 |
| luke-jr_ | jon1012: no, Qt has plenty of purpose | 02:31 |
| Milo- | http://u.meelo.org/gpecal.png this is what GPE Calendar has to offer, that's not very easy to use with a finger :) | 02:31 |
| jon1012 | luke-jr_: then gtk too | 02:31 |
| jon1012 | luke-jr_: :) | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | athena widgets FTW! | 02:31 |
| luke-jr_ | jon1012: the only purpose of GTK originally was that it was free software. Qt has been free software for like a decade now. | 02:31 |
| ifreq | SpeedEvil: whats those :) | 02:32 |
| Milo- | GPE Calendar is otherwise a brilliant calendar application | 02:32 |
| luke-jr_ | jon1012: then GTK's purpose was so people could write proprietary apps | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr_: like a year IIRC | 02:32 |
| luke-jr_ | jon1012: now Qt is LGPL | 02:32 |
| Milo- | but the UI needs some work | 02:32 |
| jon1012 | luke-jr_: no, the purtpose of gtk is that it's simple, powerful and light | 02:32 |
| luke-jr_ | SpeedEvil: no, only LGPL a year | 02:32 |
| jon1012 | luke-jr_: and what ? | 02:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr_: in that you can write commercial apps for that period without payment | 02:32 |
| luke-jr_ | jon1012: no, GTK is neither simple, powerful, nor light | 02:32 |
| luke-jr_ | Qt4 is superior to GTK in every technical way | 02:32 |
| jon1012 | luke-jr_: that's your opinion, it's not mine... it's not because you think like that, that gtk should disappear | 02:32 |
| luke-jr_ | GTK's existence is based solely on ideals | 02:32 |
| jon1012 | luke-jr_: no... | 02:32 |
| jon1012 | let's stop the troll please | 02:33 |
| luke-jr_ | jon1012: that's how it is | 02:33 |
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| Untouchab1e | Oh well, thanks for all your help | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Untouchab1e: wave | 02:33 |
| Untouchab1e | :D | 02:33 |
| Milo- | beard | 02:33 |
| Untouchab1e | Seems like Maemo has got a friendly developer comunity | 02:33 |
| luke-jr_ | pizza | 02:33 |
| Milo- | beard and pizza? | 02:33 |
| luke-jr_ | lol | 02:33 |
| Untouchab1e | :) | 02:33 |
| Untouchab1e | Night all | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | There should be 'maemo coding for android developers' page | 02:33 |
| luke-jr_ | night | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | and iphone | 02:34 |
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| Milo- | iPhone developers aren't developers | 02:34 |
| luke-jr_ | are there that many iphone/android developers? | 02:34 |
| Milo- | they do flash and such, even though iPhone doesn't support flash | 02:34 |
| Untouchab1e | Milo-: Lol | 02:34 |
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| kkito | hello | 02:34 |
| Milo- | The largest quantity of ActionScript developers comes from Mac-users | 02:35 |
| Milo- | and their microdevices can't run flash :) | 02:35 |
| kkito | there is something like http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa969538%28VS.85%29.aspx for maemo5 ? | 02:35 |
| Milo- | ironic *:) | 02:35 |
| kkito | to b able to enable the wm composition | 02:36 |
| kkito | and disable | 02:36 |
| Milo- | kkito you mean ugly puke-like variable-names? | 02:36 |
| Milo- | MS constants are too ugly and too long. | 02:36 |
| kkito | i mean "Because DWM uses the graphics processing unit (GPU) for desktop composition, certain applications may have to disable DWM for compatibility. Applications that take full control of the desktop, such as games that run in full-screen mode, must determine whether the DWM is enabled and if it is, disable it. To do this, two functions are needed. DwmIsCompositionEnabled and DwmEnableComposition. " | 02:36 |
| kkito | i want to disable the composition for a opengl-es full screen game | 02:37 |
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| red | hello, anyone able to help with an linux issue. i can connect to any IP address via browser, ssh, ftp etc, but not to hostnames | 02:41 |
| red | like http://www.google.com doesnt work | 02:41 |
| red | but http://74.125.79.147/ does | 02:41 |
| red | other devices in the network can, so I guess its this netbook thats fubared in some way | 02:41 |
| kkito | edit /etc/resolv.conf | 02:42 |
| Milo- | resolv.conf shouldn't be edited by hand :) | 02:42 |
| red | this is the whole content of that file: # Generated by NetworkManager | 02:42 |
| red | nothing else | 02:42 |
| red | suppose there should be something there? :p | 02:43 |
| Milo- | yes | 02:43 |
| Milo- | two ip-addresses | 02:43 |
| red | gateway and subnet? | 02:43 |
| kkito | red write inside | 02:43 |
| kkito | nameserver 8.8.8.8 | 02:43 |
| red | whats that ip address based on? :p | 02:43 |
| Milo- | if your resolv.conf is empty, then there is an issue with resolving the address | 02:44 |
| red | can atleast ping it | 02:44 |
| kkito | google public dns server | 02:44 |
| red | i cannot | 02:44 |
| Milo- | heh | 02:44 |
| Milo- | but you're online? | 02:44 |
| red | clicking search in google redirects to www.google etc | 02:44 |
| red | but i can access it via googles IP, but not after i click search | 02:44 |
| Milo- | 8.8.8.8 is provided by google | 02:44 |
| red | i guess i could attempt addressbar searching via ip in front :p | 02:45 |
| red | should I attempt to find current ISPs dns server address then? | 02:45 |
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| red | and adding it instead 8.8.8.8 | 02:45 |
| Milo- | just try 8.8.8.8 | 02:45 |
| luke-jr_ | no! use 4.4.4.4 | 02:45 |
| red | i can get it in matter of seconds | 02:45 |
| Milo- | the file will be overwritten if something else is found | 02:45 |
| luke-jr_ | I mean 4.2.2.2 <.< | 02:45 |
| red | ah, ok | 02:45 |
| red | testing then | 02:45 |
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| kkito | 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 | 02:46 |
| red | saved the file, how should I attempt to refresh? dhclient -r -> dhclient ? | 02:46 |
| kkito | no | 02:46 |
| Milo- | dhclient will just overwrite your resolv-conf | 02:46 |
| luke-jr_ | yes, why don't you just tell Google every website you visit? | 02:46 |
| luke-jr_ | they won't log it... | 02:46 |
| Milo- | the effect should be immediate | 02:46 |
| Milo- | luke-jr_ :D | 02:46 |
| red | yeh, as soon as i said that dropbox went apeshit =) | 02:46 |
| Milo- | luke-jr_ you think google is evil, too? :) | 02:46 |
| red | synced stuff | 02:47 |
| luke-jr_ | Milo-: evil AND incompetent | 02:47 |
| luke-jr_ | worse than Microsoft even | 02:47 |
| Milo- | because of android? | 02:47 |
| luke-jr_ | because of all their software | 02:47 |
| red | 4.2.2.2 is the ip address hak5 told to ping if ur suspecting internet troubles since its always on | 02:47 |
| luke-jr_ | except *maybe* V8 | 02:47 |
| red | but cant recall what that was :D | 02:47 |
| luke-jr_ | red: Verizon DNS | 02:47 |
| Milo- | google maps was rather nice | 02:47 |
| luke-jr_ | Milo-: Google's webapps are all written per browser, not with standards | 02:48 |
| Milo- | though, I don't really like telling google where I am at all times. | 02:48 |
| luke-jr_ | Milo-: so even though Konqueror is one the most standards compliant browsers, Google's webapps fail | 02:48 |
| Milo- | google maps worked better on my old e71 than nokia's own maps-software | 02:48 |
| Milo- | which only had 1 year limited license :/ | 02:48 |
| ifreq | Milo-: what about your favorite websites, they collect cookie info etc.. about your shopping habits and then give you some adds which fit your profile | 02:49 |
| ifreq | Milo-: mayb its just better to stop surfing :P | 02:49 |
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| Milo- | ifreq I know :( | 02:49 |
| Milo- | "don't be evil" :) | 02:49 |
| luke-jr_ | ifreq: that's mostly FUD | 02:49 |
| red | tracking cookies can be quite well immunized | 02:49 |
| Mousey | my profile has me pegged as a gay, pregnant, korean man | 02:49 |
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| kkito | then, it is not possible to turn off the compositor ? | 02:49 |
| Milo- | Mousey awesome | 02:49 |
| red | :D | 02:49 |
| luke-jr_ | kkito: sure, system("sudo halt"); | 02:49 |
| Milo- | facebook does this tracking thing way better than google | 02:50 |
| red | u can disable facebook doing it thought | 02:50 |
| Milo- | facebook keeps rubbing it to my face that I'm a single, my teeth aren't snow-white | 02:50 |
| ifreq | mayb its better to unplug internet.. go out get a gf | 02:50 |
| luke-jr_ | Facebook does it pretty well, yeah | 02:50 |
| ifreq | :-) | 02:50 |
| Milo- | they keep offering me girlfriends and teethwhitening kits | 02:50 |
| luke-jr_ | they keep trying to sell me TRON t-shirts | 02:50 |
| red | but what was quite surprizing was facebook connecting to msn server and using ur contact information to download your contact list and match that to their users emails and suggesting those as friends for you | 02:50 |
| Milo- | red no, it doesn't need to connect to msn server | 02:51 |
| red | how does it dig that info then? | 02:51 |
| Milo- | msn contacts are kept downloaded to your hdd :P | 02:51 |
| red | well theres the thing | 02:51 |
| Mousey | it's surfing your hard drive! | 02:51 |
| red | i never use msn on my desk comp | 02:51 |
| Milo- | it's in a nice xml file somewhere in your settings folder | 02:51 |
| luke-jr_ | Milo-: every major IM app stores contacts on the server | 02:51 |
| red | dont even have it installed | 02:51 |
| red | could be that i went facebooking on my tablet which i msn on thought | 02:52 |
| Milo- | luke-jr_ was coming to that part | 02:52 |
| ifreq | i think you needed to give permission to sync with msn contacts at soem point | 02:52 |
| Milo- | but now there is no point | 02:52 |
| ifreq | or i may remember wrong | 02:52 |
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| clmntch | hello | 02:53 |
| ifreq | red: if you have your username set with an MSN account (this also works with other email accounts), FaceBook will search the people whom you have contacted via MSN (or another email provider) to see if you want to add them to your friends list, as they also have a FaceBook account. | 02:53 |
| ifreq | (paste form one site) | 02:53 |
| ifreq | s/form/from | 02:54 |
| jon1012 | when do nokia open their f*cking ovi store ? | 02:54 |
| jon1012 | someone knows ? | 02:54 |
| jon1012 | that's what the n900 needs to get more apps | 02:54 |
| Milo- | jon1012 maybe summer | 02:54 |
| jon1012 | summer ?!!! | 02:54 |
| Milo- | how quickly do you think n900 users will write all those apps which nokia will then sell? | 02:55 |
| ifreq | think there is apps coming everyday, so dunno what hurry is to get ovi open :P | 02:55 |
| ifreq | (to ppl who use testing/devel) | 02:55 |
| jebba | we just need to repackage a bunch of things to begin with. Though new apps rule of course. | 02:55 |
| Milo- | people aren't voting enough on the extras-testing packages that much | 02:56 |
| Milo- | s/that much// | 02:56 |
| infobot | Milo- meant: people aren't voting enough on the extras-testing packages | 02:56 |
| jebba | Milo-: ya, because it takes 5 minutes to vote. | 02:56 |
| Milo- | jebba yep | 02:56 |
| ifreq | idd :( | 02:57 |
| jon1012 | it's not explained | 02:57 |
| Milo- | I'm almost ready to vote for the GPE Calendar | 02:57 |
| jon1012 | I didn't know there was a voting system | 02:57 |
| jebba | they *really* gotta fix that. At least builder is now fast, so we should have that thing always running,. | 02:57 |
| Milo- | I will give it thumb up, even though the user interface isn't that good for finger-using | 02:57 |
| Milo- | actually the biggest problem is the garage | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | (12:57:11 AM) jon1012: I didn't know there was a voting system | 02:57 |
| Milo- | it is tooooo slow | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | too | 02:57 |
| jebba | i would be doing tons more if i could just go to a page, do what i needed to do and move on. Instead i have to keep 10 billion tabs open all over the place and things get dropped. | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | well- i know there is - i don't know how it works | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | or where to find it | 02:58 |
| jebba | Milo-: maemo.org/packages sucks too | 02:58 |
| Milo- | they need to stop testing light httpd | 02:58 |
| Milo- | what is the point of that? | 02:58 |
| richard_12345 | porn? | 02:59 |
| Milo- | seriously, why on earth would you want to carry a http-server with you everywhere you go? | 02:59 |
| Milo- | pocket-pornsite | 02:59 |
| richard_12345 | an expensive webserver :P | 02:59 |
| Milo- | which is too slow to run as a decent webserver | 02:59 |
| richard_12345 | a webmin clone perhaps? | 03:01 |
| richard_12345 | control your phone through a web interface.. | 03:01 |
| richard_12345 | stilll | 03:01 |
| richard_12345 | quite sad :) | 03:01 |
| jon1012 | by the way, I have a 100 euros rebates if I subscribe to ovi store before 15 february 2010... | 03:02 |
| jon1012 | I hope they will open before | 03:02 |
| jon1012 | or I'll be seriously pissed off | 03:02 |
| pwnguin | 100 euros? | 03:02 |
| jon1012 | yeah in france | 03:02 |
| Milo- | why? | 03:02 |
| pwnguin | i only get 50 dollars =( | 03:02 |
| jon1012 | in france the n900 is 650 euros | 03:02 |
| jon1012 | and I can get 100 euros off if I subscribe to ovi store before 15 february | 03:03 |
| red | http-server that functions as a drag and drop interface to utilize your handheld device as a portable wireless flash memory stick? | 03:03 |
| red | i've used my old phone like that, and loved it | 03:03 |
| pwnguin | jon1012: you can open an ovi store account right now | 03:03 |
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| red | it had automaticly updating dyndns host so i could just jack up to the dyndns url and never forget those usb memorysticks everywhere again | 03:03 |
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| red | im not using the device any longer due it being an apple product :p | 03:04 |
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| Milo- | can't find xterm in maemo-sdk : | 03:17 |
| Milo- | :o | 03:17 |
| Milo- | I'm pretty sure I didn't install it myself | 03:18 |
| Milo- | it's not there. vim requires it but didn't bother complaining when I installed it | 03:19 |
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| ifreq | hmm store is on update mode atm.. | 03:20 |
| ifreq | mayb they add n900.. .(dreaming) | 03:20 |
| Milo- | don't think they have any applications worth purchasing at this time | 03:21 |
| Milo- | how do you start your applications in the scratchbox environment since it doesn't have xterm :o | 03:23 |
| ifreq | it has the cmd line? | 03:23 |
| Milo- | not in the maemo-part | 03:23 |
| Milo- | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/MyDocs/C] > | 03:23 |
| Milo- | starting my apps from that won't open a thing in the maemo-screen | 03:24 |
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| ifreq | We’ll be making some updates to the Store this week that will require us to take the service offline for a short while Thursday evening 12/17 at 7 PM EST. The Store will be offline for roughly three hours. | 03:24 |
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| Milo- | ah now it works | 03:25 |
| nomis | ok, I somehow managed to mess up the lirc service. Not sure what I did, but I can no longer make irreco contact it, reinstalling the package doesn't seem to help. | 03:27 |
| jebba | nomis: apt-get remove foo ; then dpkg -P foo to make sure old configs get blown out | 03:30 |
| nomis | apt-get purge should be both, right? | 03:32 |
| jebba | ah maybe,never used it | 03:32 |
| jebba | sounds like it thogh cuz -P is --purge | 03:32 |
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| jebba | http://www.natisbad.org/N900/ ******* very good site tons of info | 03:37 |
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| Milo- | I immediately started to dislike that page | 03:40 |
| Milo- | first word I saw was "emacs" | 03:40 |
| jaem | ~seen woglinde | 03:43 |
| infobot | woglinde <i=woglinde@f052237134.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 12m 4s ago, saying: 'mameo-optify is good solution'. | 03:44 |
| jebba | oh but so much info... | 03:44 |
| jebba | keymapping! kernel module info! :) | 03:44 |
| jebba | http://www.natisbad.org/N900/n900-keyboard-remapping.html ! | 03:44 |
| Milo- | screenshot shortcut is hard :P | 03:44 |
| jebba | that comes up a lot here | 03:44 |
| Milo- | jebba that was interesting indeed | 03:44 |
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| Milo- | oooh | 03:46 |
| Milo- | double press power button locks the device | 03:46 |
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| Milo- | ctrl+shift+x is even harder than ctr+shift+p :o | 03:46 |
| jebba | ya, ctrl-shift-x isnt much of a shortcut more of a contortion | 03:47 |
| Milo- | "* When getting a incoming call, turn over the device so the screen faces down towards the table surface = Silence an incoming call" uhm, what if the device is already face down? | 03:47 |
| nomis | there are an awful lot of ways to lock the device :) | 03:50 |
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| nezb | ctrl+shift+x, also known as: the bane of my existence | 03:53 |
| nezb | jebba: thanks for the link *bookmarked* | 03:53 |
| Milo- | I need to try those keyboard layout stuffs | 03:54 |
| Milo- | add an alt-button | 03:54 |
| Milo- | and some other fancy buttons | 03:54 |
| nezb | I want to make the camera shutter button display the apps page | 03:54 |
| nezb | when not in camera mode | 03:54 |
| Milo- | ctrl+i should obviously be tabulator | 03:54 |
| Milo- | in terminal it already is | 03:55 |
| nezb | btw, anyone who hasn't tried x11vnc is really missing out. I just sent an SMS from my computer. | 03:55 |
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| Milo- | oh it's a server-app? | 03:56 |
| nezb | Milo- there is both a server and client | 03:57 |
| Milo- | ah cool | 03:57 |
| nezb | Milo- http://twitpic.com/ta17z | 03:57 |
| nezb | (click view full size) | 03:57 |
| Milo- | nice :D | 03:58 |
| Milo- | tried to click and draw circles with my mouse to zoom in :P | 03:58 |
| Milo- | did not work :D | 03:58 |
| nezb | nope. it's pretty laggy too, even over usb networking | 03:58 |
| nezb | but keep in mind VNC has no compression | 03:58 |
| Milo- | but the point is that it's doable | 03:59 |
| nezb | unless you have a server/client that specifically supports it | 03:59 |
| nezb | yep. which means we can always improve in the future. but for now it's nice being able to sms with my phone halfway across the room hehe | 03:59 |
| nezb | I'm curious if anyone has tried to dual-boot Android 2.0 on the N900 yet | 03:59 |
| Milo- | or while the phone is in the pocket | 03:59 |
| nezb | Milo- wouldn't want to try that, when you VNC to it the touch screen becomes active too! | 04:00 |
| Milo- | unless you have objects in your pocket, that shouldn't be a problem | 04:01 |
| Milo- | it's not that sensitive | 04:02 |
| nezb | what we need is a way to temporarily disable the touch screen when we connect to a VNC session and then re-enable it afterwards, of course making this optional (since you might want to use the touch screen while in VNC) | 04:04 |
| Milo- | heh | 04:04 |
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| nomis | nezb: x11vnc as a server really should disable blanking :) | 04:15 |
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| nomis | ls | 04:25 |
| nomis | argh. | 04:25 |
| nezb | nomis: I have blanking disabled when USB charger is plugged in so I couldn't tell | 04:25 |
| nomis | ah | 04:25 |
| nomis | for me (using gvncviewer) apparently the return key stops working at some point. | 04:26 |
| jebba | nomis: is your keyboard slid out? | 04:28 |
| nomis | jebba: ah, that indeed makes a difference | 04:30 |
| jebba | :) | 04:30 |
| nomis | jebba: any idea *why* ? | 04:30 |
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| jebba | uh, not really. | 04:31 |
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| jebba | cool. Burgerspace full screen, baby. | 04:47 |
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| wiretapped | omg | 05:16 |
| * wiretapped just discovered ctrl-shift-I | 05:16 | |
| wiretapped | fit-width-to-view, how i've missed you | 05:17 |
| jebba | that's upper I | 05:17 |
| jebba | i | 05:18 |
| jebba | wiretapped: but where on maemo would you use this? everything is pretty much max already | 05:18 |
| wiretapped | jebba: in the web browser | 05:18 |
| wiretapped | sometimes when you zoom in you want the text rewrapped, sometimes you don't | 05:19 |
| wiretapped | in previous incarnations of the maemo browser there was an option in the view menu for this | 05:19 |
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| wiretapped | now it is hidden under a keyboard shortcut | 05:19 |
| jebba | ah cool | 05:19 |
| jebba | ok | 05:19 |
| wiretapped | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures | 05:20 |
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| wiretapped | anyone else here get email-to-SMS via t-mobile? It's extremely irritating. Every message comes from a new random four digit number | 05:21 |
| wiretapped | and the conversations app doesn't let you delete all conversations at once | 05:21 |
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| GAN900 | Fit width to view is the worst. | 05:34 |
| wiretapped | how can you say that? | 05:35 |
| wiretapped | some times are nearly unreadable without it | 05:35 |
| wiretapped | s/times/sites/ | 05:35 |
| infobot | wiretapped meant: some sites are nearly unreadable without it | 05:35 |
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| wiretapped | obviously i wouldnt want it on all the time, but i am relieved it is still there | 05:36 |
| jaem | wiretapped, it has been known to murder other sites, and make people annoyed | 05:36 |
| jaem | the general impression of many was that Maemo 4's implementation, at least, did more harm than good | 05:37 |
| jaem | I don't really mind either way | 05:37 |
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| pwnguin | oh thats annoying. the bluetooth browse files is a different FS view than USB mass storage | 06:40 |
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| nhg | maemo | 07:00 |
| nhg | 's pulseaudio is a gstreamer based plugin? | 07:00 |
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| jebba | no, gstreamer is a pulseaudio client | 07:10 |
| jebba | but gotta go now, have fun. | 07:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anybody tell me what's that occasional small red marker line in xchat please | 08:03 |
| tyrus | hehe | 08:03 |
| tyrus | DocScrutinizer51: i think it marks the chat sessions after every x amount of minutes | 08:04 |
| tyrus | could be wrong though | 08:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | umm. ok. thanks | 08:06 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, tells you when your display went to sleep. | 08:06 |
| GAN900 | So you know where you read to last. | 08:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ahh. still a rather random function. also shows up now and then when on charger and no screen dimming at all. sometimes(!) seems to show up when switching to other task and back | 08:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | it,s so random and thus confusing I think I like to disable it then (seem to remember sth in .cfg) | 08:10 |
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| * RST38h moos | 08:13 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | moin RST38h | 08:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | btw. I start to think I'm losing my mind. I'm sure I had a really nice numptyphysics on my N810, but now it's gone like it never was there. I'm quite sure I haven't uninstalled it. And I seem unable to reinstall it from app manager (not there). direct-install link on garage says "file not found" | 08:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anybody help me out of this weird story? | 08:21 |
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| pekuja | does anybody know if it's somehow possible to join channels with account-plugin-idle? (IRC plugin for the builtin IM client) | 08:23 |
| jaem | woot! I finally got it working! | 08:24 |
| jaem | "it" being this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ffejery/4194631686/ | 08:24 |
| jaem | :D | 08:24 |
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| pekuja | I can only figure out how to send private messages. It seems pretty nice for that, but then if I only wanted that, I'd probably use another IM protocol. | 08:26 |
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| jaem | I bought that device about a year ago, and it took until now to figure it out :) | 08:31 |
| jaem | but now I can display alerts from my N900 on my wrist | 08:32 |
| jaem | yay | 08:32 |
| swc|666 | jaem, which device is that?? | 08:32 |
| jaem | swc|666, see flick link | 08:32 |
| jaem | flickr | 08:32 |
| swc|666 | yea i saw it | 08:32 |
| jaem | oh | 08:32 |
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| pekuja | your flickr doesn't say what it is | 08:32 |
| jaem | you can get it from DX for about $30 | 08:32 |
| jaem | it doesn't really have a name | 08:32 |
| * swc|666 looks... | 08:32 | |
| pekuja | well how do we find it on DX? | 08:32 |
| jaem | aside from something generic like "Bluetooth Bracelet" | 08:32 |
| jaem | search for that | 08:32 |
| jaem | lol | 08:32 |
| jaem | there's also an all-metal version | 08:33 |
| pekuja | looks like there are several | 08:33 |
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| swc|666 | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.25724 | 08:33 |
| swc|666 | me thinks | 08:33 |
| jaem | downside is that without some more complicated work, you can't use this at the same time as using a headset for calls | 08:33 |
| siriusnova | lol | 08:33 |
| siriusnova | thats such a geeky bracelet | 08:34 |
| jaem | siriusnova, I know | 08:34 |
| jaem | swc|666, yes, but it's not OLED, as far as I can see | 08:34 |
| jaem | oh, actually | 08:34 |
| jaem | hmm | 08:34 |
| jaem | maybe it is | 08:34 |
| jaem | it's almost an EL color, but it can't be, given the hardware | 08:34 |
| siriusnova | DX for cheap chinese goods :D | 08:34 |
| siriusnova | lol | 08:34 |
| jaem | yeah | 08:34 |
| jaem | I bought an awesome pocket flashlight from them | 08:34 |
| jaem | it took over a month to arrive, but it's good, and cheap | 08:35 |
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| jaem | and it fits perfectly in my gadget holster XP | 08:35 |
| jaem | it's not supposed to be able to display arbitrary text | 08:35 |
| jaem | the spec only allows numerical callerID | 08:35 |
| jaem | however | 08:35 |
| pekuja | jaem: so that bracelet is basically telling the phone that it's a bluetooth headset? | 08:35 |
| jaem | I bought it because I had a hunch | 08:35 |
| jaem | pekuja, yes, HFP | 08:35 |
| jaem | my hunch was that since the spec says it's numerical, that the device wouldn't bother checking if it was | 08:36 |
| jaem | and the hardware is really simple | 08:36 |
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| pekuja | so how hard was it to make that work with an N900? | 08:36 |
| jaem | so I knew that if I could push ASCII data to the device, it would be displayed verbatim on the screen (most simple LCD controllers use ASCII, or a variant) | 08:36 |
| jaem | usually the letters and numbers correspond to ASCII, anyway | 08:37 |
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| jaem | pekuja, well, I bought it a year ago, when I knew nothing about Bluetooth | 08:37 |
| jaem | and I haven't had a lot of time to work on it | 08:37 |
| jaem | I essentially figured this out between last night and right now | 08:37 |
| jaem | :P | 08:37 |
| pekuja | haha | 08:37 |
| swc|666 | jaem, what did you use, python? | 08:37 |
| jaem | and it's not hard, although I'm going to have to do a bit of work to figure out more details, and then some code to make it useful | 08:38 |
| jaem | swc|666, indirectly, yes | 08:38 |
| swc|666 | kewl | 08:38 |
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| swc|666 | grrr...biting my nails on my n900 delivery | 08:39 |
| swc|666 | ONTARIO, CA, US 12/17/2009 9:53 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN .. lol | 08:39 |
| jaem | swc|666, wait... Canada is in the US? | 08:40 |
| jaem | or Ontario is in California? | 08:40 |
| swc|666 | ontario, calif | 08:40 |
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| jaem | lol | 08:40 |
| jaem | really? | 08:40 |
| jaem | huh | 08:40 |
| swc|666 | i live in seattle | 08:40 |
| swc|666 | next day air | 08:40 |
| jaem | crazy Americans ;) | 08:40 |
| swc|666 | ftw | 08:40 |
| swc|666 | lol | 08:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 seems to remember a note about N900 BT being able to connect to multiple clients concurrently | 08:40 | |
| jaem | swc|666, if you press F5 more often, it makes it come sooner | 08:40 |
| pekuja | Ontario is a province in Canada also | 08:40 |
| swc|666 | hahaha | 08:40 |
| swc|666 | brb | 08:40 |
| pekuja | and I suppose a city in California | 08:40 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer51, yes, it should be able to, but this is a separate issue | 08:40 |
| jaem | I'll explain in a bit, but I don't want to spill it all until I get a bit more sorted out | 08:41 |
| jaem | It Will Be Blogged, in any case | 08:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jaem: so at least time of day display possible? | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | like a Rdigit caller ID? | 08:42 |
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| * RST38h scratches head trying to understand why display time of day | 08:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 4digit even | 08:43 |
| jaem | dockane_, in theory, most or all of the ASCII set should be available | 08:43 |
| jaem | 12 characters wide | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm even better | 08:43 |
| pekuja | jaem: so what kind of software did you write for it? | 08:43 |
| jaem | I just have to figure out the character mapping, because these controllers usually map them oddly | 08:43 |
| jaem | pekuja, currently? nothing. | 08:43 |
| pekuja | jaem: ah ok | 08:43 |
| jaem | it's actually pretty simple - it just took me a while to see it | 08:43 |
| * jaem will be back shortly, with more news | 08:44 | |
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| pekuja | jaem: so out of the box, does it work for incoming calls? | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: just because that's what those gadgets at my wrist are supposed to do usually ;-D | 08:44 |
| jaem | pekuja, presumably, but I don't have a plan for my N900 | 08:44 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer51, you don't want to do that | 08:44 |
| RST38h | Doc: Ah... | 08:44 |
| jaem | it's meant for alerts - if you want to display the time constantly, you'll run down the batter in no time | 08:44 |
| jaem | especially with the vibra | 08:44 |
| jaem | anyhow, don't bug me for a bit, so I can work on this ;) | 08:45 |
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| pekuja | jaem: well you can still get incoming calls from Skype | 08:45 |
| pekuja | jaem: I think | 08:45 |
| jaem | pekuja, no SkypeIn in Canada | 08:45 |
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| pekuja | jaem: well I mean even just regular Skype calls | 08:46 |
| pekuja | jaem: I would guess N900 handles those the same as regular calls | 08:46 |
| jaem | pekuja, it does, but they won't have a number associated with them | 08:47 |
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| jaem | hrm | 08:48 |
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| jaem | looks like most or all symbols may not be supported | 08:48 |
| jaem | darn | 08:48 |
| jaem | then again, it may just need more hackz | 08:49 |
| jaem | s/z/s/ | 08:49 |
| infobot | jaem meant: then again, it may just need more hacks | 08:49 |
| jaem | ;) | 08:49 |
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| Ceron | http://www.ariel.com.au/jokes/The_Evolution_of_a_Programmer.html awsome | 08:49 |
| Ceron | Chief Executive jaem | 08:49 |
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| jaem | Ceron, what are you implying? :S | 08:50 |
| Ceron | look at link :D | 08:50 |
| jaem | I did | 08:50 |
| jaem | but I'm not following you, unless it was a wanton insult :P | 08:51 |
| Ceron | it wanst an insult, it was just to get you to read the link | 08:51 |
| jaem | ah, okay | 08:51 |
| jaem | heh... fair enough | 08:51 |
| pekuja | jaem: they don't have a number, but I would hope that the default behavior was to display the contact's name and not their phone number | 08:52 |
| cpscotti | hey... can someone vote/test accdisplay? its in extras-testing and already got 6 votes. it is useful to view/record/playback accelerometer's data | 08:52 |
| jaem | pekuja, the HFP spec doesn't support that | 08:53 |
| cpscotti | graphicaly | 08:53 |
| pekuja | jaem: oh | 08:53 |
| jaem | I'm quite certain of that | 08:53 |
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| cpscotti | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/accdisplay/1.0 | 08:53 |
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| jaem | cpscotti, do you just need a quick "work/doesn't work", or specific things tested? | 08:53 |
| pekuja | jaem: but, the device itself could do it, if you wrote your own module | 08:53 |
| jaem | I already take a look at it | 08:53 |
| cpscotti | just a vote.. | 08:53 |
| cpscotti | yep.. | 08:53 |
| cpscotti | everything is working... | 08:54 |
| jaem | pekuja, yes, it might be doable, but it's non-standard, so it won't get included in anything Nokia distributes | 08:54 |
| cpscotti | just need some votes.. hehehe | 08:54 |
| jaem | cpscotti, sure - it looked fine to me | 08:54 |
| cpscotti | :) | 08:54 |
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| cpscotti | is this the standard procedure to ask for the votes? or am i missing something? | 08:55 |
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| jaem | cpscotti, well, ostensibly you shouldn't encourage people to vote without testing | 08:56 |
| pekuja | jaem: yeah, but I imagine you're going to want something like that | 08:56 |
| jaem | pekuja, exactly | 08:56 |
| pekuja | jaem: or I don't know. what do you plan on doing with the bracelet? | 08:56 |
| jaem | I'm not sure how I'm going to go about it yet, though | 08:56 |
| jaem | I don't have the knowledge or resources to maintain third-party patches to a bunch of apps | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jaem: what's the datatype specified in HFP for transfering the ID? | 08:57 |
| jaem | but once I get something usable out as a hack for people to try if they want, then maybe people might be interested in doing so themselves | 08:57 |
| cpscotti | well... so the idea is just asking for another work/don't work test? | 08:57 |
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| jaem | but it won't be mainstream, because there's not guarantee it will work on other devices | 08:57 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer51, IIRC it's a string, but they specify that it must be numerical | 08:58 |
| cpscotti | ok.. so now in a proper manner..: | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jaem: I think that's to accomodate 7segment gadgets | 08:59 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer51, probably | 08:59 |
| cpscotti | can someone test (work/dont) n900fly? it is aok.. if u care voting: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/n900fly/0.1.5 | 09:00 |
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| jaem | as I said, aside from prudence, there's no real reason to validate the string on the remote device | 09:00 |
| jaem | although it seems like something might be stripping symbols from it | 09:00 |
| jaem | I'm looking into it | 09:00 |
| jaem | because the controller, in all probability, implements at least most of the ASCII characters | 09:01 |
| jaem | unfortunately, IIRC it's a COG, so I can't reasonably find the datasheet | 09:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | COG? | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | -wtf COG | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err | 09:03 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer51, "Chip-On-Glass" | 09:04 |
| jaem | it's an IC packaging method | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~wtf COG | 09:04 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what COG means... | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah | 09:04 |
| jaem | in this case, the LCD controller is mounted on the screen itself | 09:04 |
| jaem | I think | 09:04 |
| jaem | it's been a while since I took it apart | 09:04 |
| jaem | they basically just slap the die on the back of the screen, and then coat it in some protective substance | 09:05 |
| jaem | hence, no visible model number | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | The jbt6k74 COG on freerunner's display even has a label lasered into bottom of the silicon die | 09:06 |
| jaem | huh | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's not coated | 09:07 |
| * luke-jr_ wants a true RGBA display <.< | 09:07 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | err, no. scratch that. I remebered sth incorrect | 09:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or it faded away during last 6 months ;-P | 09:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr_: for the "A" part you hardly find any controller supporting that | 09:17 |
| luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer51: hardly? you mean some exist already? | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr_: depends on your definition of "controller for a display" | 09:20 |
| luke-jr_ | oh, wait, you're talking controller only | 09:20 |
| luke-jr_ | not the whole display | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | some gracas should know alpha' no? ;-) | 09:20 |
| luke-jr_ | gracas? | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | graphics cards | 09:21 |
| luke-jr_ | for output? | 09:21 |
| luke-jr_ | I want a RGBA *display*, not graphics card :p | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe. on 100% transparent the display becomes invisible | 09:23 |
| luke-jr_ | exactly | 09:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wonders why luke-jr_ would want to watch the PCB underneath | 09:23 | |
| luke-jr_ | I wouldn't put a PCB underneath | 09:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 suggests to use a beamer then. Perfect implicit alphablending | 09:25 | |
| luke-jr_ | beamer? | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the things to throw pictures on any arbitrary surface. Preferrably canvas (if thats the right word) | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aka projector | 09:27 |
| luke-jr_ | even transparent surfaces? :p | 09:27 |
| luke-jr_ | and implicit would mean 0% alpha wouldn't work | 09:27 |
| luke-jr_ | :/ | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 0% on black is kinda hard admittedly | 09:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and yes. we see transparent canvas lately in some TV studios. Some sort of nano fresnell | 09:30 |
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| luke-jr_ | I also need it to be eye mountable | 09:30 |
| luke-jr_ | :p | 09:30 |
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| jaem | luke-jr_, :D | 09:31 |
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| sejo_n900 | someone else problems with mauku? | 09:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | for a headmounted device you probably are best off with a shutter goggle plus microbeamer with prisma | 09:33 |
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| sejo_n900 | mauku doesn't update the timeline | 09:34 |
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| adeus | hrrhr, who turned off the heat again | 09:50 |
| jaem | adeus, me | 09:50 |
| jaem | and that, kids, is why you don't control your home automation system with an IRC bot | 09:51 |
| adeus | eyelashes froze shut when you blink | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's the global warming | 09:52 |
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| mece | adeus, I hear ya. Here's my weather: http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=Turku&CELSIUS=yes | 09:52 |
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| mece | Does anyone know if sound should work in ScummVM on N900? | 09:54 |
| adeus | I have you beat with a mighty one degree difference | 09:54 |
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| mece | adeus, I think the fucking weather is rather exaggerated. It's really only -17.9 | 09:56 |
| adeus | still fucking cold | 09:56 |
| mece | nvrmind got sound now :) yay | 09:57 |
| joppu | How do I add a bug tracker link on an extras-testing package? | 09:59 |
| joppu | Need to rebuild? | 09:59 |
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| ruskie | it's a special field in the control file | 10:03 |
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| joppu | Thanks! | 10:04 |
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| mece | ScummVM is AWESOME!!! | 10:14 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: btw, why don't you try n900 hostmode with proper equipment? | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: honestly? probably cause I'm a lazy asshole | 10:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: I got a powered hub here. If you want to talk me into doing it right now :-) | 10:16 |
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| pekuja | mece: Is ScummVM in extras-devel? | 10:17 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: would be nice to try. First i'd enable the hostmode with the sysfs node (iirc it's called "host" and it's in the musb driver, you can easily find /sys -name \*musb\* it). Then i'd check that strong pullup is not there, that would ensure it indeed switched. | 10:19 |
| fcrozat | stupid question : how do you select some text in Modest mail editor ? | 10:20 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: then i'd check the pulldowns and added externally if they're not present. | 10:20 |
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| fcrozat | hover browser mode doesn't work in modest | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: checking pullup is beyond my tools ATM | 10:20 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: oh, i thought you always carry a multimeter with you :) | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: I'll simply attach that hub and kbd | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | find musb... | 10:22 |
| mece | pekuja, yes it is | 10:22 |
| pekuja | mece: I think I'll stay clear of that repo for now. | 10:22 |
| pekuja | mece: Not in the mood to break my system yet. ;-) | 10:22 |
| mece | pekuja, http://twitpic.com/tznyj | 10:22 |
| pekuja | mece: ScummVM is tempting though ;-) | 10:23 |
| pekuja | ooh | 10:23 |
| mece | pekuja, well you can just dl the deb | 10:23 |
| pekuja | it is pretty much a perfect fit for the N900 | 10:23 |
| pekuja | a lot of action games don't work too well because you don't have a d-pad or similar | 10:23 |
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| mece | pekuja, yep. Monkey 2 works flawlessly. you can drag cursor around to hover. click to click, shift-click to rightcllick | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: no host node in /sys/bus/platform/drivers/musb_hdrc | 10:24 |
| mece | I won't get much work done today | 10:24 |
| jaem | aw snap... the bracelet's battery died just when I was getting debugging stupid errors in a shiny demo | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: find host... | 10:25 |
| jaem | methinks this is the signal to go get food while I wait | 10:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: hmm. didn't see that | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | /sys/bus/platform/drivers/musb_hdrc | 10:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb_host:usb_host1 | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | even | 10:27 |
| woglinde | jo | 10:28 |
| woglinde | hi doc | 10:28 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: what is in /sys/bus/platform/drivers/musb_hdrc ? | 10:29 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: sorry, really gtg right atm. I think i passed you the full and correct sysfs node name earlier in here, but i can't remember it atm. :| | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: uevent and unbind | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hi woglinde | 10:30 |
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| redeeman | have any of you seen "issues" when charging via usb cable to a computer? sometimes i have to reconnect it a few times before it begins to charge. im 100% certain its not the issues with the usb connector going loose, as it works when i do the replugging on the PC side | 10:32 |
| Micha_ | redeeman: i've sometimes had issues both with real charger and usb | 10:32 |
| jaem | woglinde, moo | 10:32 |
| redeeman | it never does this with real charger for me | 10:33 |
| woglinde | he jaem | 10:33 |
| woglinde | jaem ready for nx? | 10:33 |
| Micha_ | redeeman: only when i've let it go completely flat | 10:33 |
| jaem | woglinde, going to grab food while I wait for my bracelet to charge, and then sure | 10:33 |
| jaem | :) | 10:33 |
| redeeman | Micha_: i never let it go so low it turns off | 10:33 |
| jaem | woglinde, I was just mentioning this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ffejery/4194631686/ | 10:33 |
| jaem | 'tis what I've been hacking on tonight | 10:33 |
| Micha_ | redeeman: i don't on purpose either | 10:34 |
| woglinde | jaem lol | 10:34 |
| jaem | woglinde, I've seriously wanted something like that for years | 10:34 |
| jaem | although admittedly I'd dreamed of something better | 10:34 |
| jaem | and without the oh-so-classy "BLUETOOTH" line above the rather small screen | 10:34 |
| Micha_ | this thing is well cool. programming and irc while stuck on london transport :) | 10:34 |
| jaem | lol | 10:34 |
| jaem | Micha_, -grin- | 10:35 |
| jaem | Micha_, coding on your phone is kind of awesome | 10:35 |
| jaem | woglinde, anyhow, food - I'll be back in a bit | 10:35 |
| woglinde | jaem jo take your time | 10:35 |
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| Micha_ | If anyone wants to see my first project, mwtube on garage | 10:37 |
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| jaem | Micha_, YouTube client? | 10:37 |
| Micha_ | tiny london tube status app | 10:37 |
| jaem | oh... lol | 10:37 |
| * jaem doesn't speak Britishese | 10:37 | |
| Micha_ | no, there's ebough youtube stuff | 10:37 |
| * jaem nods | 10:38 | |
| jaem | what about one that shows you Youtube videos of British subways? | 10:38 |
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| jaem | *raises eyebrow* | 10:38 |
| jaem | **while you're on the train** | 10:38 |
| jaem | ooohhh | 10:38 |
| Micha_ | lol | 10:38 |
| Micha_ | probably get locked up as a terrorist if you try that.. | 10:39 |
| jaem | or if you do other stuff | 10:39 |
| * jaem looks shifty-eyed | 10:39 | |
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| jaem | man, you can't even mess with circuits on the bus these days | 10:39 |
| * RST38h pings X-Fade | 10:39 | |
| jaem | yeah, it had a red 7-seg, but come on! | 10:39 |
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| tyrus | guys | 10:40 |
| tyrus | i have a quick on | 10:40 |
| tyrus | its on external mem card on the n800, os2008 | 10:40 |
| woglinde | ah http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/ is nice to read | 10:40 |
| woglinde | moo rst | 10:40 |
| woglinde | rst jupp | 10:40 |
| tyrus | when i ran sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblkl | 10:40 |
| woglinde | ~ping x-fade | 10:40 |
| infobot | pong x-fade | 10:40 |
| tyrus | it freezes after displaying the number of cylinders | 10:41 |
| RST38h | heya woglinde | 10:41 |
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| RST38h | looks like extras is stuck again :(( | 10:41 |
| woglinde | hm | 10:42 |
| woglinde | I need libxmuu moved from sdk to extras | 10:42 |
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| ruskie | why? just add the sdk repo and you have it available ;) | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: you're welcome to walk me thru finding whatever sysnode might be related to usb host. I seem unable to find any promising candidate | 10:45 |
| woglinde | ruskie on devices? | 10:45 |
| woglinde | ruskie now way | 10:45 |
| woglinde | no way | 10:45 |
| ruskie | why not? | 10:45 |
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| woglinde | because you cann't be shure it interferes | 10:46 |
| woglinde | with other packages | 10:46 |
| woglinde | args my spelling today | 10:46 |
| ruskie | I would assume apt to be smart enough to notice those things | 10:46 |
| woglinde | a blody mess | 10:46 |
| pekuja | damn, I was excited about OpenTTD on the N900, but basically the UI is designed for a much bigger screen | 10:46 |
| ruskie | most ares | 10:46 |
| ruskie | erm are | 10:46 |
| pekuja | and it's not really playable at all without a stylus | 10:46 |
| pekuja | yeah | 10:46 |
| woglinde | pekuja hm wasnt there themes/patches for smaller screens? | 10:47 |
| pekuja | I don't know | 10:47 |
| woglinde | and bloody cold today | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | friggin charger doesn't start charging. Still unplugging it creates a event | 10:48 |
| pekuja | umm, wtf | 10:48 |
| pekuja | Screen resolution is set to 400x210 | 10:48 |
| woglinde | pekuja change it | 10:48 |
| pekuja | ha, now we're talking | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | redeeman: ^ | 10:48 |
| pekuja | alas, this is going to be utterly impossible to play without a stylus and a steady hand | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | redeeman: known issue | 10:48 |
| pekuja | but better than the half-resolution version | 10:49 |
| redeeman | DocScrutinizer51: but does it only affect pc usb charging? because otherwise im quite on a coincidence-streak | 10:49 |
| woglinde | hm openvg support in qt | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems like that. See I said 'chargwer' | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ever one out of R here | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/R/4 | 10:50 |
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| tyrus | someone please help me out here | 10:55 |
| tyrus | what does a dmesg entry that reads | 10:55 |
| tyrus | FAT:FAT read failed (blocknr xxxx) mmcblk0: error 1 sending read/write command | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: heh. now that I know its real meaning, the red line seems to be even useful ;-D | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: thanks again | 10:57 |
| mece | N900 is perfect for the classic lucasarts games. Perhaps I can finally try to complete the dig. Difficult game. | 10:58 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Woohoo, Motorola milestone arrived | 11:11 |
| pekuja | does anybody know if MaStory has any special requirements from the server side? I have a WordPress blog that I'm trying to post to, but it keeps failing. | 11:11 |
| pekuja | MaStory just says "Error publishing" so that doesn't help much | 11:11 |
| furunk3l | i had the same problem with mastory and drupal | 11:11 |
| pekuja | I can see a single POST request in my server's access log | 11:13 |
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| pekuja | maybe it requires Apache | 11:14 |
| pekuja | wouldn't think that made a difference though | 11:14 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: from reading the sources it looks like the relevant node is called "mode" | 11:14 |
| pekuja | just a wild guess | 11:14 |
| pekuja | I'm running lighttpd | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: doing find mode... | 11:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: /sys $ cat ./devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: b_idle | 11:18 |
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| pekuja | well, I'm thinking of moving away from WordPress anyhow. not that that's going to make my life much easier | 11:18 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | The milestone is UGLY | 11:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But the screen is win | 11:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: echo host > ? | 11:19 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: yes, host | 11:21 |
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| ruskie | Gadgetoid_mbp, and we care about it why? | 11:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: no effect. still reads b_idle. nothing in dmsg either | 11:25 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Evidently *you* don't, try not caring quietly | 11:25 |
| * aquatix not-so-secretly quite likes the design of the Milestone, apart from the golden d-pad | 11:25 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | The d-pad is awful, aquatix | 11:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | and the keyboard, whilst quite sensibly big, is very, very flat | 11:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | beveled keys give the n900 a firm edge tthere | 11:27 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: :( probably disabled in kernel config. Would be nice to have zgrep /proc/config.gz MUSB or something... | 11:28 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: when neither HOST nor OTG is compiled in, the relevant code is ifdef'd out :| | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd guess exactly that is the (first) problem | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | check changelog | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: moin :-) pointer? | 11:30 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: yep, what is the easiest way to get .config for the "production" kernel? | 11:30 |
| florian | good morning | 11:30 |
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| lucent | N900 folks, how am I supposed to activate Ovi Store to get my $50 rebate pre-paid VISA offer from Nokia if the Ovi store is not available for the N900? | 11:31 |
| lucent | ...is the place to be asking about that? | 11:32 |
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| ifreq | its not open yet for n900 | 11:33 |
| ifreq | just wait | 11:33 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: rx51_defconfig from the "official" source has the host mode enabled but i have no idea if that's the same config used for the kernel you run. | 11:34 |
| lucent | the rebate form defines that I must register for Ovi Store -or- Ovi Maps and have the application postmarked no later than the first week of January 2010 | 11:34 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: i think i can compile the kernel myself to make sure, if you want to mess with it... | 11:34 |
| lucent | I'm *freaking* just ever so slightly about this delay, was there any official announcement to address that from Nokia, maybe I should read up on? | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: how would I possibly check the actual kernel? find some exported symbol or ??? | 11:36 |
| lucent | besides the rebate concern, I'm very pleased with Maemo5 and associated software as featured on the N900 | 11:36 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: if it lacks /proc/config.gz, there's no good way i think. | 11:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lemme check | 11:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: /proc/kallsyms is as good as it gets I guess | 11:42 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: at least the official package has debian/rules which states rx51_defconfig is used, so the hostmode support should be there... | 11:43 |
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| mece | Is there a way to modify the RDS data output for the fm transmitter? would be nice to get the artist-song name displayed | 11:44 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: ok, musb_srp_store is a good candidate. Should be there if hostmode is enabled. | 11:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: I can not change content of mode sysnode as explained above. Always shows b_idle no matter if I echo host > ./mode | 11:44 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: can you check if musb_srp_store is among kallsyms? | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 11:45 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: hm, i'm not sure it's the function of interest anymore.. | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: yep. is there. among otg-timer and a lot of other promising stuff | 11:48 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: sorry, it's not the node, that's for peripheral. The defenitive answer is in dmesg, it should print on init something like musb_hdrc: version: blablabla listing all the capabilities. | 11:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: prolly my dmesg wrapped | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yup | 11:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | there's been a dmesg pastebin of boot somewhere in the internet. Alas have no pointer/bookmark atm | 11:52 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: also quite possibly musb has problems with external hubs, at least the source says a lot about various unsolved hub-related issues. | 11:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: so you suggest I should use a Y-cable then? Once we found a node to actually switch | 11:54 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:56 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: do you get anything in dmesg after you try to force host mode? | 11:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: nope. not a single line | 11:59 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: weird but i do not see what i expect in dmesg wrt version an capabilities in the dmesg i googled. | 11:59 |
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| swc|666 | damnit jaem i want one of the bt bracelets now .. but i dont trust dx | 12:11 |
| jaem | swc|666, DX is a bit sketchy, but in my own experience, by all I've heard, they do deliver | 12:12 |
| jaem | they might backorder it for a month or so, or something stupid like that, but they're as respectable as such a business can be | 12:13 |
| jaem | swc|666, oh by the way, I have a scrolling alert demo done now | 12:13 |
| tekojo | mece open a bug on the RDS? | 12:13 |
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| jaem | I'll record a video with the N900, and upload it to my server along with the script | 12:14 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: the messages in question are KERN_INFO level so should be visible... mad strange why the hell they're not there. | 12:14 |
| jaem | give me a few | 12:14 |
| swc|666 | jaem niiice! | 12:15 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: looks like i just can't find an untruncated dmesg :| | 12:16 |
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| hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6823 - check it people | 12:17 |
| povbot | Bug 6823: media player won't play any video files now (.avi) divx / xvid | 12:17 |
| mikhas | jaem, how exactly do you record a video on your n900? | 12:17 |
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| jaem | mikhas, um... camera? | 12:17 |
| jaem | although you can do screencasts too | 12:17 |
| jaem | swc|666, darn - the text is too small to read at the distance the video camera will focus at | 12:17 |
| jaem | heh... silly cell phone cameras | 12:18 |
| swc|666 | hehe, yea | 12:18 |
| jaem | so you'll have to take my word for it | 12:18 |
| swc|666 | i'd like to see the text scroll | 12:18 |
| jaem | if you want one of them, I'd say go for it | 12:18 |
| jaem | well, here's the thing | 12:18 |
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| jaem | it's *really* not meant for scrolling text | 12:18 |
| PaulFertser | Come on, guys, is it really that hard for you to provide me with full n900 dmesg please? | 12:18 |
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| jaem | it's meant for a phone number, and a single display per call | 12:19 |
| swc|666 | PaulFertser, my n900 is on the way .. literally http://flightaware.com/live/flight_track_bigmap.rvt?ident=UPS984-1261119130-2-0&airports=KONT+KBFI&height=340&width=400&departuretime=1261130520&arrivaltime= | 12:19 |
| jaem | and by default it will vibrate and display that until you manually accept or reject the call | 12:19 |
| jaem | which displays a message to that effect (which is annoying) | 12:19 |
| jaem | so | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: seems some of the first few lines always are truncated | 12:19 |
| swc|666 | jaem, one of the things i read about it was that it had a proximity feature as well | 12:19 |
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| woglinde | jaem wer is the qtnx log? | 12:19 |
| swc|666 | so if the phone is X distance away, it'll vibrate | 12:20 |
| jaem | I'm ringing it with a substring, then sleeping, then cancelling the call, and then ringing with the new string | 12:20 |
| jaem | swc|666, that's actually kind of misleading | 12:20 |
| swc|666 | orly | 12:20 |
| jaem | what it really does is buzz if it goes out of range without being properly disconnected | 12:20 |
| jaem | :P | 12:20 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: meh :| probably if saved really early, like right after the init, they'd get to the log... | 12:20 |
| jaem | woglinde, coming up - sorry to keep putting you off | 12:20 |
| swc|666 | ah yea i can see that | 12:20 |
| jaem | I just got done exams recently, and I've had a lot of backlog | 12:20 |
| swc|666 | obviously it cant measure signal with whatever chip/board it has | 12:21 |
| swc|666 | s/signal/signal levels/ | 12:21 |
| infobot | swc|666 meant: obviously it cant measure signal levels with whatever chip/board it has | 12:21 |
| jaem | swc|666, IIRC, it's a CSR chip with BT and a basic MCU | 12:21 |
| jaem | about as FOSS-unfriendly as you can get | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: let me reboot and pastebin what dmesg will give | 12:21 |
| swc|666 | niiice | 12:21 |
| swc|666 | CSR ftw | 12:21 |
| jaem | which is too bad, because otherwise it looks reasonably easy to reflash | 12:21 |
| jaem | maybe not CSR | 12:22 |
| PaulFertser | Sane devs shouldn't have used such a damn small dmesg buffer :| | 12:22 |
| jaem | but at any rate, there is no free (or even cheap) way to compile for it | 12:22 |
| jaem | woglinde, can I save the log from within qtnx, or do I need to capture it from the terminal? | 12:22 |
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| jaem | swc|666, I'll have to pull it apart again and take another look - it's been months, and I didn't document it | 12:23 |
| swc|666 | cool | 12:23 |
| woglinde | jaem its both the same | 12:23 |
| PaulFertser | i think i managed to find illegally copied "bluelab" or something software to build for some common BT chip. | 12:23 |
| jaem | woglinde, okay - it'll be one moment | 12:23 |
| jaem | PaulFertser, that may be it | 12:23 |
| jaem | I think it said you could flash it over UART or USB, neither of which are connected to anything | 12:24 |
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| jaem | but I think at the time the UART looked like it might be accessible | 12:24 |
| jaem | as I said, it was a while ago | 12:24 |
| swc|666 | sweet | 12:24 |
| PaulFertser | jaem: if you need that software i can try to find it again, never actually tested it and it's ancient (2-3 years ago). | 12:24 |
| jaem | PaulFertser, I'll see - thanks for the offer | 12:24 |
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| PaulFertser | Ah, and of course it's windows only, what else can one expect from proprietary shit. | 12:25 |
| jaem | heh, yeah | 12:25 |
| jaem | woglinde, huh... it automagically worked this time | 12:25 |
| jaem | weird | 12:25 |
| lcuk | gah, maemo extras downloads page keeps reseting the description i give it? | 12:26 |
| jaem | then again, NX on this server has been a bit odd from time to time | 12:26 |
| lcuk | liqflow entered extras yesterday | 12:26 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/liqflow/ | 12:26 |
| lcuk | and i changed description | 12:26 |
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| lcuk | but it keeps gettign reset | 12:26 |
| woglinde | jaem coool | 12:26 |
| jaem | would qtnx give a message in the GUI if Bad Things happen, or only in the log? | 12:26 |
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| woglinde | jaem server is not my field | 12:26 |
| jaem | such as auth failed | 12:26 |
| woglinde | jaem hm auth is in gui | 12:26 |
| woglinde | some errors nor | 12:26 |
| woglinde | args not | 12:26 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, any idea ^ | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: http://pastebin.com/f4c273c9 | 12:27 |
| woglinde | ~seen x-fade | 12:27 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (6h 24m 52s), last said: 'RST38h: Lunch, bbl.'. | 12:27 |
| jaem | woglinde, man, this is awesome :) | 12:28 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: :( same truncated stuff, begins with wireless already | 12:28 |
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| jaem | woglinde, thanks for your work! | 12:28 |
| pupnik | yes thanks woglinde | 12:28 |
| jaem | by the way, do you know of any lighter-weight open source NX clients? | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: as I said. Something spoils the msg buffer during init | 12:29 |
| jaem | I understand that NoMachine has released a client for the Zauri, but I'm looking at an unsupported device with more RAM, but not enough for QtNX | 12:29 |
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| jaem | woglinde, is there a way to minimize the NX session without logging out? | 12:31 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: or it's just too small, let me check. | 12:31 |
| woglinde | jaem? | 12:31 |
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| jaem | woglinde, yes? | 12:31 |
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| woglinde | what you excatly mean? | 12:31 |
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| woglinde | the window disappears when you click on minimize? | 12:32 |
| woglinde | hi cbrake | 12:32 |
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| jaem | well, on the official desktop Linux client, you can click in the top-right corner of the screen to minimize it. I didn't see any obvious way to do so in qtnx | 12:32 |
| jaem | I don't want to have to log out to go back to Maemo for a moment | 12:32 |
| woglinde | aeh | 12:32 |
| woglinde | this works flawless on n810 | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: apt-get install syslogd??? klogd??? | 12:33 |
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| jaem | but how does it work? | 12:33 |
| woglinde | maybee some window atoms changed for maemo5 | 12:33 |
| sivang | so , people, I'v managed to get my /etc/nameserver not fucked by network-manager, but everything I try to install says I don't have the python deps, do I need to add more sources? | 12:33 |
| jaem | the same way? | 12:33 |
| sivang | I want to start with installing the ofiicial terminal for the platform | 12:33 |
| woglinde | jaem qtnx only setups the parameters for the nx connection | 12:33 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: no idea, probably the buffer gets overwritten before the userspace starts even. | 12:33 |
| jaem | woglinde, riiight | 12:33 |
| woglinde | and then calls nxssh and nxproxy | 12:33 |
| jaem | so it should be the same | 12:33 |
| woglinde | and the nxserver displays the window on maemo | 12:33 |
| jaem | what exactly is the nature of the remote window, then? | 12:33 |
| jaem | is it just a window, or a nested XServer, or what? | 12:34 |
| woglinde | because the xserver dont know about maemo it dont sets the maemo atoms | 12:34 |
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| woglinde | for this window | 12:34 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: according to rx51_defconfig the size is 16KiB. | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf?1 | 12:34 |
| woglinde | so I run a thread in nxproxy which checks for this windows appears and sets the atoms | 12:34 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: n900 is so fucking constrained :) | 12:38 |
| lucent | :( | 12:39 |
| lucent | PaulFertser: I have n900 in hand, what do you need and how do I do it? | 12:39 |
| PaulFertser | lucent: i'm afraid you're not going to recompile a custom kernel and install it, are you? | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. and still they dare to sacrifice a whole shitload of 16k for log buffer | 12:40 |
| lucent | PaulFertser: ah, sorry I don't think I can afford to do this | 12:40 |
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| lucent | I'm loonix savvy but that's not sounding very safe or supportable :( | 12:40 |
| lucent | dmesg isn't saved on the device ? | 12:41 |
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| PaulFertser | lucent: the buffer is too damn small, so it gets truncated before the userspace starts it seems. | 12:41 |
| lucent | thanks for the full explain | 12:41 |
| lucent | now I can understand why this is not easy to find ;/ | 12:41 |
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| lucent | are there serial port headers on it? | 12:41 |
| PaulFertser | lucent: i think that flashing kernel to n900 is as safe as to n810 which is 100% safe due to the presence of usb bootloader. | 12:41 |
| lucent | well, you know that's what I would try without hesitation, messing with the firmware or kernel isn't in my comfort zone for this device | 12:42 |
| lcuk | PaulFertser, what is it you are trying to do, or rather why | 12:42 |
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| lucent | PaulFertser: what is dmesg needed for though? | 12:43 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: it would be nice to see the full dmesg output to see if host/otg musb driver parts are compiled in or not. | 12:43 |
| lucent | oh | 12:43 |
| lucent | isn't there a .config available? | 12:43 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: because i'm really unsure the production kernel uses the same kernel config as rx51_config. | 12:43 |
| lcuk | have you got a device yet? | 12:43 |
| PaulFertser | I would expect such a twist from nokia. | 12:43 |
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| PaulFertser | lcuk: me? | 12:44 |
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| lcuk | yes | 12:44 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: unless i get one by a lucky coincedence, i am not going to have one. It's not free enough to my liking, unfortunately. And also mad expensive comparing to my freerunner. | 12:46 |
| lucent | $529 with $50 rebate is what I paid, hrm | 12:46 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: if i had the device i'd be running my self-compiled kernel already and wouldn't ask stupid questions about musb etc :) | 12:47 |
| PaulFertser | lucent: FR is <$200 i think | 12:47 |
| lucent | so *if* Ovi store opens for N900 before and I qualify, that's $479 ;) | 12:47 |
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| pekuja | you can't get the rebate without Ovi? | 12:48 |
| lucent | the Nokia Ovi rebate requries purchase of a qualifying phone and also activation for either Ovi Store or Ovi Maps | 12:48 |
| lucent | ...from the device | 12:49 |
| lucent | can't do it yet from N900 because N900 isn't a valid Ovi Store device | 12:49 |
| mgedmin | nice trick | 12:49 |
| lcuk | you can get a hannah montanah screensaver tho | 12:49 |
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| * lcuk kicks git | 12:49 | |
| lucent | ha, I thought so once I got the N900 in my hands and tried like a fervent monkey to jump through the hoops for rebate submittal | 12:49 |
| woglinde | lcuk use it right | 12:50 |
| mgedmin | what's the point of rebates, anyway? the high likelihood that most of the customers won't bother or won't be able to figure out what hoops to jump through? | 12:50 |
| * lcuk smiles at mgedmin | 12:50 | |
| lucent | mgedmin: really? that's an economics discussion you could go on about like it's some kind of conspiracy against the consumer... simple enough, it encourages spending on credit | 12:50 |
| lcuk | remind me to talk to you next time we have beers, knowing you do gtimelog as well as irc gives me some ideas | 12:51 |
| mgedmin | uh oh | 12:51 |
| mgedmin | lucent, to be fair, I never understood economics | 12:51 |
| mgedmin | well, never studied economics would be more accurate ;) | 12:51 |
| lucent | nor I, at least I claim to not be an expert right here and now | 12:51 |
| lucent | I work at a movie theater | 12:52 |
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| lucent | around xmas holiday time, we sell movie "passes" which are face value | 12:52 |
| mgedmin | why are rebates better (for the seller, I assume) than discounts? | 12:52 |
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| lucent | they're not redeemable for cash, yet they are VERY profitable for the business | 12:52 |
| jaem | mgedmin, because many people don't cash them in | 12:53 |
| lucent | even if every single person uses their pass, and we make no profit from people forgetting to use their pass, it's still a huge win | 12:53 |
| mgedmin | so, what I said, basically ;) | 12:53 |
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| lucent | jaem: that's just the contrary to what I see for the "movie pass" use case | 12:53 |
| lcuk | woglinde, ive got a package which got drunk, went on a 3 month bender had patches applied and was released. meanwhile the stable branch continued until a release, then this was also taken on a christmas party and left tied to a lamppost naked. i have to somehow get git to first identify the missing patches, then tell it to apply those patches to the main branch | 12:53 |
| lcuk | without histories | 12:53 |
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| jaem | lcuk, rofl | 12:54 |
| lucent | we do more business by offering a form of credit-as-... I guess you'd call it a materialized asset | 12:54 |
| lucent | and that sells very well | 12:54 |
| lucent | it's all paid for by *somebody* and exists as a voucher to be redeemed | 12:54 |
| pupnik | who here has gotten libraries / dependencies into -devel? | 12:54 |
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| woglinde | lcuk private git -repos? | 12:55 |
| pupnik | is there a fasttrack for stuff like that? | 12:55 |
| pupnik | quilt, diffstat, openal | 12:55 |
| cosmo_ | pupnik: i've got a library in extras-devel | 12:55 |
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| lcuk | woglinde, no git repos for half of it | 12:55 |
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| woglinde | lcuk aeh? | 12:55 |
| cosmo_ | no one knows how to promote it to extras so it's stuck there | 12:56 |
| woglinde | you will find a solution | 12:56 |
| lcuk | it was taken off git at some point | 12:56 |
| lcuk | indeed | 12:56 |
| lcuk | im jiggling now | 12:56 |
| pupnik | ty cosmo_ | 12:56 |
| woglinde | cosmo_ ask x-fade | 12:56 |
| lucent | P.S. does mbarcode work for N900 currently? Any N900 owners used it and able to comment on mbarcode? | 12:56 |
| woglinde | if he is around | 12:56 |
| woglinde | maybee he is travelling again | 12:56 |
| woglinde | ~seen x-fade | 12:56 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (6h 53m 50s), last said: 'RST38h: Lunch, bbl.'. | 12:56 |
| siriusnova | lol | 12:56 |
| siriusnova | so my credit card just called me | 12:57 |
| cosmo_ | X-Fade: do you know how to promote package from extras-dev to extras? wiki instructions don't work | 12:57 |
| pupnik | nokes.nokia.com seems unhappy | 12:57 |
| siriusnova | "did you just do a $109 transaction in india" | 12:57 |
| siriusnova | "uhhhh no" | 12:57 |
| lucent | siriusnova: o_O | 12:57 |
| siriusnova | :( | 12:57 |
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| cosmo_ | (although i haven't polled them for a couple of weeks) | 12:57 |
| lucent | bad news bears strike siriusnova :( | 12:57 |
| siriusnova | yeah but they blocked it | 12:57 |
| siriusnova | so its good news :) | 12:57 |
| mgedmin | lucent, I'm a N900 owner, but I've never played with mbarcode | 12:57 |
| mgedmin | what's it do? | 12:57 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Are you around? | 12:57 |
| lucent | mgedmin: supposedly it lets you take a picture of a barcode to decode it | 12:57 |
| * lcuk gets in line behind RST38h | 12:57 | |
| tigert | wow, that maemo-geolocation extension rocks | 12:57 |
| * lcuk moos quietly | 12:57 | |
| * mgedmin is waiting for app manager which is SLOW | 12:58 | |
| * RST38h considers milking lcuk but decides against it | 12:58 | |
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| * mgedmin installs mbarcode | 12:58 | |
| RST38h | tigert: Using Latitude webapp for iPhone? | 12:58 |
| lucent | mgedmin: neat concept, huh? | 12:58 |
| lucent | what's up with the built in front-facing webcam, all grainy and stuff | 12:58 |
| mgedmin | lucent, cool programming excercise, yes, but what's the point? | 12:59 |
| lucent | mgedmin: some kind of buzz concept that's sweeping through advertising, specialty magazines, and some movie promotions | 12:59 |
| tigert | RST38h: googlemaps works nicely with maemo-geolocation | 12:59 |
| tigert | follows me precisely | 12:59 |
| RST38h | tigert: hmm...did not work for me | 12:59 |
| RST38h | interesting | 12:59 |
| lucent | a small barcode on literature that you point your cell phone at, scan, and it takes you to bonus content via internets tubes | 13:00 |
| lucent | ;) | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: the frontcam is supposedly missing a better driver | 13:00 |
| RST38h | tigert: have they got a mobile webapp as well? | 13:00 |
| tigert | theres the small locate button in googlemaps | 13:00 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer51: relieved to hear that! | 13:00 |
| tigert | this is the real maps.google.com | 13:00 |
| lucent | the specs sound a little nicer than what I'm seeing. | 13:00 |
| * RST38h would really like to know why Speccy and Vulture's Eye promoted to Extras yesterday still did not appear in Downloads | 13:00 | |
| mgedmin | well, I'm pointing it at a barcode on the side of a box of tissues, mbarcode isn't doing anything (other than updating the image at what feels like 10fps) | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: exactly | 13:00 |
| RST38h | Given that X-Fade is unavailable (or so it seems), is there anyone else able to help? | 13:01 |
| Micha_ | mgedmin: worked for me from a Pepsi (yuck) label. Didn't work on a smaller one I found elsewhere. Seems a bit hit-and-miss. | 13:01 |
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| lucent | mgedmin: ah, about the same as I experienced. I found that the flash lit up momentarily, autofocus stopped working after a second or two, and then nothing | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: suspicion is the frontcam is completely misconfig'd wrt ASAm(sensitivity) and apperture/exposure time | 13:01 |
| lucent | Micha_: what is the procedure? tap to scan? | 13:01 |
| lucent | Micha_: is it continuous scan? | 13:02 |
| redeeman | PaulFertser: are enough kernel source available that one can recompile the kernel and not loose functionality? | 13:02 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer51: thanks! I am interested in that kind of rumor ;) | 13:02 |
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| Micha_ | lucent: Yes. Then point at barcode and wait. Seems to work better with the old-fashioned barcodes rather than the newfangled ones. | 13:02 |
| PaulFertser | redeeman: i'm sure there're. Because you can't really use anything non-GPL'd directly with the kernel. | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: just MHO | 13:02 |
| redeeman | PaulFertser: that hasn't stopped many before from doing it | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | call it an educated guess | 13:03 |
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| PaulFertser | redeeman: redeeman also http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/kernel_2.6.28-20093908+0m5.dsc doesn't list anything suspicious. | 13:03 |
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| lucent | Micha_: flash / autofocus behavior for you? flash on would help a lot, but mine turned off. Did you need flash on? | 13:03 |
| PaulFertser | redeeman: those doing that shit should be sued. And it's happening more and more. | 13:03 |
| redeeman | PaulFertser: yes, i agree | 13:04 |
| Micha_ | lucent: When it worked, it was a well-lit environment. I think it might have briefly used flash. Hangon, lemme find one to play with. | 13:04 |
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| redeeman | PaulFertser: i would very much like to try replace the kernel | 13:04 |
| RST38h | Ah, the OSS religious conversation again... | 13:04 |
| RST38h | <lunch> | 13:04 |
| PaulFertser | redeeman: should be trivial | 13:04 |
| redeeman | RST38h: yes... very religious.. following the license... | 13:04 |
| redeeman | let's all go to the copyright church | 13:04 |
| lucent | Micha_: my boss at the movie theater asks "what is that?" anytime he sees a 2D barcode pattern on the movie posters | 13:05 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: yeah, i see now who's the most interested in trolling. | 13:05 |
| lucent | would be so fun to whip out my phone and make it go | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flash is known to fail on 'macro' picture taking | 13:05 |
| lucent | oh | 13:05 |
| lucent | can't lock it to on setting? | 13:06 |
| cosmo_ | is there navicore or any other sane navigation sw available for n900 yet? | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: it will make photo over bright | 13:06 |
| lucent | for scanning barcodes though... | 13:06 |
| PaulFertser | redeeman: have you tried simply downloading from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ and building the usual debian way? Or you can use opensuse autobuilder to do that for you i guess. | 13:06 |
| redeeman | PaulFertser: i don't really know much about debians kernel build system | 13:07 |
| Micha_ | lucent: Ok, seems when you press scan it has about 5 seconds to try to recognise the code, after that it gives up. | 13:07 |
| lucent | ah | 13:07 |
| Micha_ | lucent: During those 5 seconds or so it tries to autofocus the camera on the barcode. | 13:07 |
| PaulFertser | redeeman: then just unpack the source, apply the patch, "export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi-; make rx51_defconfig; make bzImage" blabla | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which fails on low ambient light | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | most of the times | 13:08 |
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| lucent | Micha_: no luck here, thanks for trying | 13:10 |
| Micha_ | lucent: no worries. *goes back to javadoccing (ew)* | 13:10 |
| mgedmin | redeeman, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Kernel_Guide | 13:10 |
| mgedmin | which is probably not accurate at all | 13:10 |
| mgedmin | oh, wait, it's been updated | 13:11 |
| mgedmin | maybe it's accurate now | 13:11 |
| redeeman | great | 13:11 |
| * mgedmin ought to try and build iptable_nat.ko again | 13:11 | |
| lucent | mikhas: ooooh! I got one, finally. Thanks for the advice again | 13:11 |
| mikhas | you meant Micha_ | 13:12 |
| lucent | mikhas: right you are | 13:13 |
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| redeeman | mgedmin: the guide is not finished it seems | 13:16 |
| redeeman | my N900 lsmod shows lots of modules loaded | 13:16 |
| redeeman | but they don't appear to be compiling the modules in that guide | 13:17 |
| lucent | is bluetooth any faster than EDGE for internet connectivity? | 13:18 |
| redeeman | much | 13:19 |
| lucent | I only get EDGE on my cell provider, wondering if I can tether my phone to my PC when I'm at home | 13:19 |
| mgedmin | EDGE is what, ~250 Kbit/s | 13:19 |
| lucent | I don't have a wifi router so... | 13:19 |
| redeeman | mgedmin: 230 | 13:19 |
| mgedmin | Bluetooth is at least 1 Mbit/s | 13:19 |
| redeeman | i get more than 100kilobytes/s on bluetooth | 13:19 |
| lucent | oh that's nice | 13:19 |
| mgedmin | there are various BT standards, things like "Bluetooth 2.0 Extended Data Rate" | 13:20 |
| mgedmin | I've no clue about those | 13:20 |
| anidel | RST38h when did you promote your apps ? I did promote mine yesterday night at around 11:30pm UTC and it appears (Xournal) | 13:20 |
| mgedmin | I've been tethering my 3G phone over bluetooth | 13:20 |
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| lucent | is what I'm thinking (tether N900 to get N900's internet connection from PC) common? | 13:20 |
| lucent | like the reverse of what you'd do for a 3G connection ;) | 13:20 |
| mgedmin | depends ... | 13:20 |
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| redeeman | lucent: most people probably just use wifi | 13:21 |
| mgedmin | the only officially-supported tethering is over the USB cable | 13:21 |
| anidel | hi there Valerio | 13:21 |
| lucent | ah | 13:21 |
| pupnik | what is this, a ddos on repositories? | 13:21 |
| mgedmin | there's a package that adds Bluetooth DUN profile support on the N900 | 13:21 |
| mgedmin | I'm sure it works, I just haven't tried it myself yet | 13:21 |
| VDVsx | anidel, hey | 13:21 |
| redeeman | use PAN instead | 13:21 |
| mgedmin | and I wonder if I can have both devices (N900 and laptop) online while using BT DUN to tether | 13:21 |
| mgedmin | I tried setting up PAN once between by Ubuntu laptop and my N810, failed abysmally | 13:22 |
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| mgedmin | you have to be some kind of a wizard to figure out the config | 13:22 |
| lucent | Ubuntu PC here | 13:22 |
| mgedmin | admittedly, DUN ain't point-and-click either | 13:22 |
| mgedmin | if you use the USB cable, Network Manager detects the N900 as a USB modem | 13:23 |
| mgedmin | gives you all sorts of nice wizards for operator setup etc. | 13:23 |
| * mgedmin didn't actually try | 13:23 | |
| lucent | oh, haven't tried either | 13:24 |
| lucent | that's kind of fun you heard it does auto-stuff | 13:24 |
| mgedmin | I wanted no cables, and I wanted to have both devices online (AFAIU USB tethering brings the N900 itself offline, and gives its modem entirely to the PC) | 13:24 |
| mgedmin | I figured out a hack with ad-hoc wifi and SOCKS5 proxying | 13:24 |
| * mgedmin tried Network Manager's USB support with real USB modems -- seemed to work, didn't retry aggressively enough, so I went back to pppd | 13:25 | |
| mgedmin | crappy cellular access where I was, sometimes it took 30 minutes of constant retrying for the modem to get online | 13:25 |
| lucent | offtopic but I wondered how to get Network Manager to connect to a specific connection from commandline in Ubuntu | 13:25 |
| lucent | ever hear of that one? | 13:25 |
| mgedmin | is that even possible? ;) | 13:26 |
| lucent | some kind of dbus kung fu | 13:26 |
| lucent | I would hope so | 13:26 |
| mgedmin | IIRC I saw a command-line tool for controlling n-m once, in Google, but it wasn't packaged for Ubuntu | 13:26 |
| lucent | okay will look again | 13:26 |
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| mgedmin | when there's no WPA, I can iwconfig/ifconfig/dhclient it up manually | 13:27 |
| mgedmin | when there's WPA, I curse wpa_supplicant a lot and usually not even try | 13:27 |
| mgedmin | had it configured a long time ago, could probably do it again, have no wish to try | 13:28 |
| lucent | sort of on topic, the first "mobile device" I tried with a Linux kernel was Sharp Zaurus C3000 | 13:29 |
| lucent | wpa_supplicant from the commandline to get it going there | 13:29 |
| mgedmin | can you specify the PSK on the command line? IIRC you always need to write a config file | 13:29 |
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| lucent | mgedmin: you can do it from a pipe and there's a way to do it from a script by controlling the stdin/out | 13:30 |
| lucent | not first order of easy though | 13:30 |
| mgedmin | and you're usually not in a position to look it up on google ;) | 13:31 |
| lucent | there's an interactive mode too where you can specify the settings but it's wholly undocumented | 13:31 |
| lucent | ha! been there on that one enough times to agree | 13:31 |
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| lucent | mgedmin: OMWeather versus Foreca... your opinion? | 13:32 |
| mgedmin | too many choices | 13:32 |
| mgedmin | so -> neither | 13:32 |
| mgedmin | I've tried omweather a long time ago, on a n800 | 13:32 |
| mgedmin | it memleaked or something, didn't leave a good opinion | 13:33 |
| lucent | oh okay nothing obvious to avoid Foreca | 13:33 |
| lucent | I rather like it but I've heard ya-ya-ya go get OMWeather killer app omg | 13:33 |
| lucent | don't need 8 or 9 different theme and font choices | 13:33 |
| lucent | sounds consistent with what you're saying about an older version of it | 13:34 |
| mgedmin | it's probably unfair to hold past bugs against it | 13:34 |
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| lucent | few apps reduce the number of options after their first and second releases | 13:35 |
| lucent | I can think of gaim/Pidgin which did simplify their options | 13:35 |
| lucent | I'm hard pressed to think of any other | 13:35 |
| mgedmin | wait, "too many choices" was supposed to mean "two weather applets are one applet too much" | 13:35 |
| mgedmin | not that any one of them has too many settings | 13:35 |
| lucent | oh? didn't understand you then | 13:36 |
| mgedmin | I installed neither because I can't decide which one to try out | 13:36 |
| lucent | ah okay | 13:36 |
| lucent | any way to get a pointer in the web browser so I can hover over? | 13:36 |
| mgedmin | yes | 13:36 |
| mgedmin | swipe from the left, near the bottom of the screen | 13:36 |
| mgedmin | there are youtube videos that demo the brouser gestures | 13:37 |
| mgedmin | and there's a user manual on the device | 13:37 |
| lucent | thanks, I've seen them, I just got confused because when I tried it didn't work the first and second times | 13:37 |
| mgedmin | there are three pointer modes, I don't quite understand them myself | 13:37 |
| mgedmin | one of them is for hovering, one of them is for clicking | 13:37 |
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| mgedmin | the third one (normal) is for scrolling | 13:38 |
| mgedmin | tapping the icon that appears when you swipe switches between the modes somehow | 13:38 |
| lucent | I've run into things like scroll box within a frame within a scrolling page within another frame | 13:38 |
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| lucent | and it got real confusing how to get anywhere in that document | 13:38 |
| mgedmin | besides, the N900 browser is not xkcd-compliant: tooltips are truncated :( | 13:38 |
| lucent | for shame! no host usb nor xkcd ALT tags | 13:39 |
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| lucent | nor Ovi store | 13:39 |
| lucent | I still love the bloody device | 13:39 |
| * mgedmin wants a compass and a temperature sensor | 13:39 | |
| lucent | compass uses a lot of power IIRC | 13:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anybody with a clue how to get numptyphysics for N810? | 13:40 |
| lucent | ha okay so what I did wrong was to swipe from inside the visible portion of the screen, which naturally doesn't work? | 13:41 |
| lucent | got it now by going from offscreen to onscreen | 13:41 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer51, isn't it in extras? | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: I thought it used to be. Had it some months ago. But now itMs vanished for umknown reasons from my N810 and from appman as well | 13:43 |
| mgedmin | maybe the extras repo got temporarily wedged again | 13:44 |
| jaem | swc|666, http://ffejery.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/custom-alerts-on-a-bluetooth-enabled-bracelet/ | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the one-click install on garage says "file not found" | 13:45 |
| jaem | and goodnight, all | 13:45 |
| * swc|666 looks.. | 13:45 | |
| RST38h | Anyone responsible for managing Extras here? | 13:45 |
| swc|666 | 9te jaem | 13:45 |
| woglinde | rst ~seen x-fade | 13:45 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, not me, but what do you need ? | 13:45 |
| RST38h | woglinde: yea, except that I haven't seen X-Fade in two days | 13:45 |
| woglinde | vdvsx where is x-fade? | 13:45 |
| VDVsx | woglinde, lol. dunno | 13:46 |
| VDVsx | MIA perhaps | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | he's probably stuck in some snow | 13:46 |
| woglinde | rst maybee I should write a file | 13:46 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Vulture's Eye and Speccy got promoted into Extras yesterday but they have not got pages and do not appear in downloads | 13:46 |
| woglinde | VDVsx you dont have a team calendar or something? | 13:46 |
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| VDVsx | woglinde, humm ? | 13:46 |
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| VDVsx | woglinde, I'm not his boss | 13:46 |
| woglinde | only boss can see team calendar? | 13:47 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, that's strange, since there's a some new apps there, promote around the same times | 13:48 |
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| dnaumov | http://maemo.org/packages/view/n900fly/ | 13:48 |
| dnaumov | this is a brilliant app | 13:48 |
| dnaumov | now who dares try it? :) | 13:48 |
| VDVsx | woglinde, well perhaps we need one for the maemo.org stuff, available for the entire community :) | 13:49 |
| lucent | dnaumov: when I'm snowboarding? :P | 13:49 |
| VDVsx | woglinde, you can suggest that ;) | 13:49 |
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| woglinde | VDVsx hehe | 13:49 |
| lucent | I thought it was a funny app to suggest throwing the phone into the air | 13:49 |
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| woglinde | vdvxs hm do you know how can maintain it too? | 13:49 |
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| woglinde | seems we need a backup for x-fade | 13:49 |
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| VDVsx | woglinde, true, we need a lot of things :( | 13:50 |
| jpjokela | lucent: Maybe something like "VoidYourWarranty" might have been a better name? | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | droptest? | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | installs bootscreen "I survived a drop from yi feet to concrtee" | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | you can safely use it on a trampoline | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/yi/8/ | 13:53 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: installs bootscreen "I survived a drop from 8 feet to concrtee" | 13:53 |
| dnaumov | next thing, there will be an app to measure how deep underwater have you succesfully dived with your phone submerged in water | 13:53 |
| pupnik | anybody have openal built for armel ... | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think that's an app for trasseurs | 13:54 |
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| VDVsx | pupnik, I think I built that once, but never used it (other deps missing), not sure if I submitted it to the repos, probably not | 13:56 |
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| ruskie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=433242#post433242 <-- anyone have any ideas? | 13:58 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 suggests N900 starts a terribl screaming as soon as accelmeter detects free fall ;-P | 14:01 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and a "OUFF" when 0G ends | 14:02 |
| pupnik | VDVsx: i did too, long ago :) now it's dying cause cmake is kaputt in scratchbox | 14:03 |
| Hukka | Hm, my N900 stopped responding to touch | 14:03 |
| Hukka | ssh works fine, still | 14:03 |
| pupnik | i am gonna srsly post any hard deps to a t.m.o attachment | 14:03 |
| Hukka | Is there anything I can restart via CLI to give it a kick? | 14:03 |
| pupnik | ow | 14:03 |
| Hukka | (I don't want to reboot right now, since it's in the middle of downloading stuff from my desktop) | 14:03 |
| pupnik | maybe give it a minute | 14:04 |
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| Hukka | I gave it five already... | 14:04 |
| Hukka | I first thought it was the phone app, but after killing it via ssh, it seems like it just doesn't respond to touch | 14:04 |
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| Hukka | (Actually opening the keyboard did change the orientation of the phone too) | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: low on mem? | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or CPU maxxed out? | 14:05 |
| pupnik | ruskie: i haven't seen that | 14:05 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: Neither | 14:05 |
| Hukka | DocScrutinizer51: Like I said, via ssh everything is fine | 14:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm | 14:06 |
| Hukka | And status dock is updating (show loading battery, for example) | 14:06 |
| Hukka | And I just got a new mail notification | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: pointe device is fairly lowlevel. No idea how to retsrat it on any *nix platform | 14:08 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: As I have been saying, things are majorly broken | 14:09 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: It is not only the voting UI that is broken now, but the promotion mechanisms as well | 14:10 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, eheh, I've to agree | 14:10 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: As a council member, maybe you can somehow influence the payrolled guys to get their stuff together? | 14:10 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, I already pushed that, but they've other priorities atm :( | 14:11 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: because whatever mysterious things they are doing there, it looks worse and worse to contributors | 14:11 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Isn't making things work for contributors to the repos their main goal? | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hukka: I had a situation that looked like lockup when a requester opened *behind* another screen. Hitting "enter" key on hw kbd got me out of it | 14:11 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, I even suggested to ask some more help from nokia, but I got a 'no need', that's just a phase, let see :( | 14:12 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: I would like to ask for some transparency instead | 14:12 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, well they're working in the new server, that's not secret | 14:13 |
| VDVsx | *servers | 14:13 |
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| mgedmin | Hukka, does it respond to the keyboard? | 14:15 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Well, "new server" is a piece of hardware where you install LInux, some packages, migrate your code, and make sure it works | 14:15 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Maybe I am missing something, but it has always been a simple job a bunch of IT guys could do for you | 14:16 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: So, I am somewhat surprised that they are all doing it around the clock for days | 14:16 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, afaik, some people of maemo.org team are those IT guys | 14:17 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, me too | 14:17 |
| * RST38h sighs heavily | 14:17 | |
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| Hukka | mgedmin: Hard to say, since I'm at the desktop | 14:17 |
| Hukka | No, wait, I can type for contacts | 14:17 |
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| Hukka | Doesn't work | 14:17 |
| Hukka | So I guess it doesn't | 14:17 |
| w00t | VDVsx: it can take more time, depending on whether they're trying to add some extra stuff to the new setup (which obviously requires extra testing and benchmarking and whatnot that could take more time), but yeah.. it would be nice to have more transparency to it | 14:18 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, those days, for any problem/complain I've got "hey, lets wait for the new servers" | 14:18 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, w00t , about the transparency, you guys should complain about that in the ML or talk | 14:19 |
| * w00t nods | 14:20 | |
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| VDVsx | but please note that there's a log for this things already | 14:20 |
| VDVsx | short logs, but still | 14:20 |
| pdrummond | hi all, anyone know why I can't install imagemagick on scratchbox? | 14:20 |
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| jeremiah_ | RST38h: We do not have complete control of the servers - some of them are still under control of the ISP. | 14:35 |
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| jeremiah_ | There is significantly more work than you describe | 14:35 |
| jeremiah_ | So please, have just a little patience | 14:36 |
| jeremiah_ | I mean, Nokia is providing this to you for free, so a little gratitude wouldn't hurt. | 14:36 |
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| dneary | Hi jeremiah_ | 14:37 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Ping? | 14:38 |
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| MortimeR_ | hi, I just got my brand new N900 ;-) | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | congrats :) | 14:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: did you see my splash screen package? | 14:45 |
| MortimeR_ | btw: Does anyone know why Nokia is transfering all email credentials including passwords to _their_ servers when I am setting up email for my corporate server? | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp | MortimeR_: are you reading the dialogs | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp | or are you asking about something else | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | MortimeR_: nokia wants to take over the world and know of your penis extension emails before -you- see them, obviously | 14:46 |
| MortimeR_ | time: I am reading the dialogs and the manual | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | MortimeR_: so... | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly, the dialogs are in the place they are because of lawyers | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and to "simplify" things | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | if you choose to use Nokia Messaging services | 14:46 |
| * SpeedEvil quotes Shakespear. | 14:46 | |
| Stskeeps | MortimeR_: if you're using nokia messaging, to do push email, it will have to have the passwords | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | which is entirely optional | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | it's a technological impossibility without | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | then nokia is your mail gateway | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and thus needs your credentials | 14:46 |
| MortimeR_ | time: I lack to understand. Why are lawyers asking me for my password? | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | if you choose not to use nokia messaging, then the credentials will not be sent to nokia messaging | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | and if they aren't sent to nokia messaging, they aren't sent to nokia | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | _DEEPLY_ stupid dialogs. | 14:47 |
| MortimeR_ | Stsk: I simply want to do plain IMAP4 not Nokias services | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | (well, unless you enable the crash reporter, which has another lawyer dialog) | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | MortimeR_: then use that | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | MortimeR_: again, the placement was because the lawyers and friends insisted | 14:47 |
| guerby | MortimeR_, lucky you :) In France and most of Europe it seems near impossible to buy one | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | not because it's the best place for it | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | From a buisness perspective - as this sort of shit ifsoumeone reads it can cause organisations not to actually do it. | 14:48 |
| MortimeR_ | time: This means that the text is missleading?! | 14:48 |
| guerby | MortimeR_, where did you buy it? | 14:48 |
| MortimeR_ | guerby: Nokia online shop | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | MortimeR_: roughly speaking it's misplaced | 14:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | the text isn't ideal | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | nokia onine shop here too. uk. | 14:48 |
| guerby | MortimeR_, thx! how long did it take for it to be delivered? | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't remember if my localization fixed it | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Came oct 30. | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | err nov 30 | 14:48 |
| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: Did I understand correctly that in the case of plain POP§ and plain IMAP4 without Nokias push services no credentials are transmitted to Nokia?! | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | MortimeR_: i can't imagine that being true. | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | by mail, correct | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | we can't make blanket statements | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | if you install crash reporter | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | and you crash | 14:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | and you accept the disclaimer provided by the crash reporter | 14:50 |
| MortimeR_ | guerby: The promissed 5 days but it took 8 business days. Though I am happy about the device. It is very slick even though the phone part crashed once on me. | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | then your crash report, which could include credentials could be sent to nokia | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | but that's an unrelated package | 14:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | "Nokia Messaging is a subscription service that automatically forwards your e-" | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | "mail to your inbox. You can sign up now for no extra fee." | 14:50 |
| guerby | MortimeR_, ok thanks again. In France no store with less than 3-5 weeks right now... | 14:50 |
| guerby | I wonder if there's an official statement somewwhere by Nokia | 14:51 |
| MortimeR_ | guerby: IIRC you can also use the Nokia Online Shop from France. (At least Belgium works) | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | guerby: about what? | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | the number of units available initially was low because they underestimated demand | 14:51 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, complete lack of availability in resellers :) | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a bad idea to manufacture millions of units without being certain they'll sell | 14:51 |
| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: does the crash reporter send the data automatically or does it ask for confirmation every time (like windows does) | 14:52 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, if it's not due to hardware issues, that's good news for Nokia after all :) | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | doing that is a good way to bankrupt a company | 14:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | MortimeR_: you get a one time warning that you have to accept, and then you have to actively choose to send crashes | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | not unless you order a hundred million :) | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | (for nokia) | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | but not necessarily one dialog per crash | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: what is a crash? | 14:52 |
| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: this is imho great | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | if you get 10 crashes and it hasn't managed to send reports | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | then the next time it boots, you'll get one chance for the set of 10 | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | this is iirc actually fairly close to how windows works in fact | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | but not precisely what you wrote | 14:53 |
| * timeless_mbp is not a lawyer but doesn't want anyone to misinterpret anything | 14:53 | |
| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: I saw N900 at the Nokia Qt developer days in Munich. Did the UI change in the meantime. | 14:53 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 14:53 | |
| timeless_mbp | when was that? | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | but "probably not" | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | maemo5 will have small incremental improvements to some applications as time progresses | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | but the platform hasn't had major changes for a couple of months | 14:54 |
| MortimeR_ | This was from 12th to 14th of October | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | and shouldn't have any major changes (beyond apps adding portrait mode) after the final sdk and original sales product releases | 14:55 |
| MortimeR_ | fine. I only hat the impression that some ui effects vanished | 14:55 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 14:55 | |
| timeless_mbp | minor changes can happen :) | 14:55 |
| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: ;-) | 14:55 |
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| MortimeR_ | timeless_mbp: btw I really like the mail application. The presentation of mails is just beautyfull | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i'm gone | 14:57 |
| MortimeR_ | the only thing I am missing seems to be that I am unable to delete spam before showing the full message (e.g. judging from sender or subject) | 14:57 |
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| pupnik | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/gemrb/openal] > fakeroot apt-get update | 15:12 |
| pupnik | 0% [Connecting to nokes.nokia.com (208.69.34.132)] | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | ..nokes? | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:12 |
| pupnik | i am so wasting my time | 15:13 |
| pupnik | right. something productive. something else... | 15:13 |
| suihkulokki | pupnik: which rootstrap did you install? | 15:15 |
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| dneary | GAN900, Ping? | 15:16 |
| dneary | GAN900, I have a surprise for you | 15:16 |
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| andre__ | uargh. http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm is kinda unreachable for me | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. :P | 15:20 |
| * Stskeeps is just waiting for server move until participating more in brainstorm | 15:20 | |
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| jpjokela | pupnik: echo $http_proxy | 15:24 |
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| pupnik | sorry folks, this is maemo vmware image (latest) | 15:27 |
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| pupnik | $http_proxy is " " | 15:27 |
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| pupnik | no | 15:33 |
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| pupnik | jpjokela: i can wget directly, no proxy needed | 15:33 |
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| jpjokela | Just wondering where did it come from in the first place | 15:34 |
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| naxxatoe | bored :/ | 15:36 |
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| fiferboy | RST38h: ping? | 15:45 |
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| siriusnova | pong | 15:45 |
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| Stskeeps | you aren't really supposed to pong other people's pings | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:46 |
| siriusnova | :> | 15:46 |
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| fiferboy | That ping belongs to RST38h | 15:47 |
| cpscotti | Hello there... I need some funny help. Anyone there already fooled around with the mce dbus interface to trigger the vibrating device? I was just playing with it and I tried the "PatternIncomingCall" out of the blue | 15:47 |
| cpscotti | I dunno where is the list of all available patterns | 15:47 |
| cpscotti | what happens is that now my cell vibrates nonstop | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | wife will love you | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:47 |
| cpscotti | yeah.. | 15:48 |
| cpscotti | Ok.. | 15:48 |
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| cpscotti | I sent req.req_vibrator_disable | 15:48 |
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| cpscotti | and it stopped.. but if I turn it on.. the pattern is still there | 15:48 |
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| kwek | can someone verify that /usr/bin/mc-tool is pre-installed on the n900 | 15:49 |
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| Micha_ | kwek: Not installed on my n900 | 15:50 |
| cpscotti | kwek: nope.. | 15:50 |
| RST38h | Miracle! Miracle! | 15:50 |
| kwek | ok tnx | 15:50 |
| RST38h | MasterGear 2.6.5-1 is being promoted to Extras! | 15:50 |
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| fiferboy | Hey RST38h | 15:51 |
| cpscotti | More details on the nonstop-vibrating-n900: when I send request.req_vibrator_disable and then request.req_vibrator_enable, the vibration is stopped until I touch anything.. | 15:51 |
| cpscotti | than it's vibrating nonstop again | 15:52 |
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| lcuk | cpscotti, speak to anne summers, she might be interested | 15:52 |
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| cpscotti | well.. we can turn this into an app | 15:53 |
| cpscotti | uaehuaehae | 15:53 |
| cpscotti | but it won´t stop! | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | N900: Never letting you down | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:53 |
| cpscotti | we could say it's like a virus.. | 15:53 |
| cpscotti | haha | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cpscotti: have you "vibrate on screnn touch" enabled in settings input? | 15:54 |
| cpscotti | yup | 15:55 |
| cpscotti | but it vibrates like when there is an incomming call | 15:55 |
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| cpscotti | and after first touch.. it never stops... | 15:55 |
| hrw | re | 15:55 |
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| RST38h | fiferboy: ? | 15:56 |
| florian | hrw: wb | 15:56 |
| cpscotti | (I deactivated it now.. and now I don´t need to touch the screen (after disable-enable) to start everything again.. | 15:56 |
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| fiferboy | RST38h: I think the problem with HAM might not be that it doesn't want to upgrade a user/* app to a non-user app | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cpscotti: I just wonder if it won't trigger vibration if you disable 'settings screen touchscreen-vibrate' | 15:56 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: With the _5 to _7 problem, maybe it doesn't update non-user at all | 15:57 |
| cpscotti | DocScrutinizer51: nope.. | 15:57 |
| cpscotti | its like this.. when I send the disable and then the enable signals | 15:57 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: But maybe if you had fbreader*_7 depend on the specific version of libzlibrary it would pull it... | 15:57 |
| mgedmin | HAM sources are online... | 15:57 |
| cpscotti | it won't resume vibration | 15:57 |
| cpscotti | unless I touch the screen | 15:58 |
| cpscotti | but then I unchecked the setting>screen>touchscreen vib | 15:58 |
| pupnik | sometimes when i type on keyboard, contacts-app comes up. known bug? | 15:58 |
| cpscotti | and it resumes automatically when the enable signal is sent | 15:58 |
| pupnik | osso-bin-addressbook | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cpscotti: strange. sounds like a driver flipped a bit or sth. Rebooted? | 16:00 |
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| cpscotti | DocScrutinizer51: well.. I'm pretty sure rebooting will solve the prob | 16:03 |
| cpscotti | DocScrutinizer51: but isn't this the predicted behavior? | 16:04 |
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| cpscotti | (continue vibrating until receive X signal..) | 16:04 |
| cpscotti | and then.. I just need to know what is "X" signal | 16:04 |
| cpscotti | (rebooting now..) | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cpscotti: just a couple of hours ago there was a report about touchscreen completely unresponsive. If I had to bet I'd say the input driver program text occasionally gets distroyed' probably by a wrong pointer or buffer overflow or sth | 16:04 |
| cpscotti | hmmmm | 16:05 |
| cpscotti | I'll try again in some seconds | 16:06 |
| pupnik | Windows NT running on N900 ;) | 16:06 |
| pupnik | http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/categories/1-Maemo | 16:06 |
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| cpscotti | Rebooted.. | 16:09 |
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| cpscotti | oh.. | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: damn. thought that's a hoax :-D | 16:10 |
| hrw | new n900 on a way | 16:10 |
| cpscotti | just got the solution: sending request.req_vibrator_pattern_deactivate string:"PatternIncomingCall" | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cpscotti: lol | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cpscotti: so now you are *the* expert to tell me which cmdline I need to make vibr kick shortly. Like on new msg | 16:13 |
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| cpscotti | yeep! | 16:13 |
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| cpscotti | ~# dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:'PatternTouchscreen' | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | would love to tweak xchat to not only beep but also vibrate on selected events | 16:14 |
| cpscotti | =] | 16:14 |
| cpscotti | ~# dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:'PatternChatAndEmail' is a little bit longer | 16:14 |
| infobot | cpscotti: that's too long | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | muhaha | 16:15 |
| cpscotti | PatternTouchscreen ? | 16:15 |
| cpscotti | or my cmd lines? | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cpscotti: forget that lousy bot | 16:16 |
| cpscotti | as qwerty12 pointed on talk.maemo right now, there is a list of available patterns in "/etc/mce/mce.in" | 16:16 |
| cpscotti | ahhh.. haha | 16:16 |
| cpscotti | lol! | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cpscotti: how to find out about available patterns | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah | 16:17 |
| jebba | rad, cool, thx cpscotti | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nm | 16:17 |
| cpscotti | yup! ur welcm | 16:17 |
| cpscotti | check: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=433355#post433355 also | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: yes. for you :-D | 16:17 |
| cpscotti | (I took this from there) | 16:17 |
| cpscotti | but it's good to remember... IncomingCall only stops with deactivate | 16:18 |
| cpscotti | ok.. | 16:18 |
| cpscotti | I have to leave | 16:18 |
| cpscotti | c ya | 16:18 |
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| AlainDelon | LondonABC.co.uk is your exclusive guide to all that London has to offer. | 16:20 |
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| Hukka | Hmh, moving files via usb is slow as hell | 16:20 |
| ifreq | how to remove conversation when its not removed by hand... got sms conv to number which is empty.. | 16:21 |
| Hukka | I guess I should try over wlan and see if the problem is the USB or the flash inside N900 | 16:21 |
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| jebba | hmm. | 16:21 |
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| naxxatoe | mhh | 16:22 |
| naxxatoe | irc spammers | 16:22 |
| naxxatoe | i thought i'd never seee them again | 16:22 |
| naxxatoe | but after 3 years, finally =) | 16:22 |
| naxxatoe | welcome back old friends xD | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | naxxatoe: huh? | 16:22 |
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| janin | Did anyone manage to connect to a hidden wireless network using n900? | 16:24 |
| ifreq | can anyone help on my issue | 16:24 |
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| ifreq | got conversation which isnt removable | 16:25 |
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| ZackMorris | flash the eMMC | 16:25 |
| ZackMorris | j/k | 16:25 |
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| fragment | janin: yes | 16:26 |
| janin | did you do anything special? | 16:26 |
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| fragment | janin: not really. typed in the SSID and the key. | 16:26 |
| AndrewFBlack | Everything in extras needs a place to have bugs reported right | 16:26 |
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| fragment | janin: it wasn't mine but friend's AP so I've only used it once | 16:27 |
| janin | hm, where can you type in an essid? | 16:27 |
| janin | i tried to add it manually to connections | 16:27 |
| janin | but it won't work | 16:27 |
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| andre__ | jeremiah_, X-Fade (unsure who of you to ask here): seeing https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/maemo-periodic/1.3-4/ , can someone remove that package from the -testing repo, please? it's been superseded by copernicus and there's still people voting for it :-( | 16:31 |
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| ifreq | anyone know how to remove conversation history entry if its stucked :) tested even reboot.. no help | 16:32 |
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| andre__ | ifreq, what is "stucked"? what did you try before? | 16:33 |
| ZackMorris | wondering if my boot problems can be solved by editing the /sbin/preinit script | 16:33 |
| ZackMorris | tried the other work arounds, to no avail | 16:34 |
| ifreq | andre. i cannot delete one emptry conversation | 16:34 |
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| andre__ | ifreq, and the steps you have tried? | 16:34 |
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| ifreq | tried to remove it/all/rboot\make contact metc | 16:34 |
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| ifreq | cant see more options instead cmd line | 16:35 |
| pdrummond | can anyone tell me if imagemagick is in the maemo repos? | 16:35 |
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| andre__ | ifreq, *exact* steps. how i can try to reproduce your issue? | 16:35 |
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| jebba | pdrummond: I dont see it. | 16:35 |
| ifreq | i think u cant | 16:35 |
| pdrummond | jebba: it should be there shouldn't it? | 16:36 |
| ifreq | i have emptry conversation whis looks like not answered phonecall.. atleast the logo is red arrow | 16:36 |
| ifreq | it even should not be on conv window or history | 16:36 |
| ifreq | but there it is and wont remove | 16:36 |
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| ifreq | i also filled empty history by sending sms to that number ..removedd..but it wont go away | 16:37 |
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| AndrewFBlack | how do I add a new product to bugzilla? | 16:37 |
| andre__ | AndrewFBlack, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products | 16:38 |
| andre__ | ifreq, I have seen one posting about the same issue on talk.maemo.org before I think | 16:38 |
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| ifreq | okay pm me if you find itpleae | 16:40 |
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| ifreq | its not fatal prob just annoying | 16:41 |
| pdrummond | I don't understand - zbar depends on imagemagick and it's available! | 16:42 |
| pdrummond | on maemo that is... | 16:42 |
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| andre__ | ifreq, you are also free to search for that posting yourself | 16:43 |
| jebba | pdrummond: well, maybe it "should" but it aint | 16:43 |
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| pdrummond | jebba: Thanks! I will keep digging... | 16:47 |
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| ifreq | andre. i would yes. tho im at bar and will not do intensive search on my n900 now | 16:48 |
| ifreq | ill check it later at home | 16:48 |
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| Hukka | Hmh, I have a huge amount of messages in dmesg similar to: [1996741.753484] FAT: Directory bread(block 7165) failed | 16:48 |
| Hukka | Google doesn't find anything relevant to N900 with that, does everybody else use the mass storage mode without any problems? | 16:48 |
| pupnik | bad microsd? | 16:48 |
| Hukka | Internal flash | 16:49 |
| Hukka | And files do move, but just very very slowly | 16:49 |
| pupnik | what is broken in maemoVmware image? | 16:49 |
| pupnik | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-cache search gpodder | 16:49 |
| pupnik | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_fremantle_sdk_free_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) | 16:49 |
| pupnik | lets please fix | 16:49 |
| hrw | what about 'fakeroot apt-get update'? | 16:50 |
| * pupnik is burning comp-sci books for heat | 16:50 | |
| Stskeeps | just install ubuntu vmdk and then work that | 16:50 |
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| pupnik | Stskeeps: this is the latest maemo VM | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, which isn't always good | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:51 |
| pupnik | hrw, that times out | 16:51 |
| ifreq | okay andre got it fixed :) | 16:51 |
| ifreq | seems tobe a bug | 16:51 |
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| hrw | pupnik: and you have working resolving names? | 16:52 |
| hrw | "ping google.pl" works? | 16:52 |
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| pupnik | yes, wget maemo.org works | 16:53 |
| pupnik | there's no ping | 16:53 |
| pupnik | hrw | 16:53 |
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| hrw | sbox crapp... | 16:53 |
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| pupnik | yeah, not a big deal, i can wget .debs | 16:54 |
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| * fnordianslip runs folding@home on his ps3 to warm up the house after heating boiler broke | 16:58 | |
| andre__ | haha | 16:58 |
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| fnordianslip | its a poor effort i know. i already have the tumble-dryer on | 16:59 |
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| fnordianslip | i know, i'll leave my n900 charger plugged in. that should warm up the house :) | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | use xbox! | 17:01 |
| fnordianslip | i would but mine broke. i could bring my quad core box downstairs and keep building kernels | 17:01 |
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| andre__ | fnordianslip: what's your temperature? here it's "only" -11°C | 17:02 |
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| fnordianslip | +1 degs C here and snow outside | 17:03 |
| fnordianslip | andre__: where are you? Finland? | 17:03 |
| andre__ | fnordianslip, hehe, no, central europe. helsinki/finland is -19°C today :-P | 17:03 |
| Laiska | Finland Helsinki -18C .. | 17:03 |
| fnordianslip | eek | 17:03 |
| woglinde_ | andre in russia was -30 so what | 17:04 |
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| fnordianslip | typical that boiler breaks as soon as the cold spell comes | 17:04 |
| Hukka | fnordianslip: Well of course | 17:04 |
| Hukka | It makes sense that hardware fails under load | 17:04 |
| fnordianslip | true. at leat i can use my n900 as a hand warmer | 17:05 |
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| * fnordianslip thinks about a 'hand warmer" app for Maemo5 | 17:06 | |
| Hukka | fnordianslip: Q3 | 17:06 |
| fnordianslip | perhaps | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | fnordianslip: R&D mode and wifi powersave mode disabled does that for me | 17:07 |
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| fnordianslip | Stskeeps: good one | 17:07 |
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| andre__ | ifreq: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36181 and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=389968&postcount=126 - cannot see a report in bugs.maemo.org, willing to file one maybe and also refer to these postings? | 17:09 |
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| siriusnov | man the n900 battery life sucks on 3g | 17:10 |
| siriusnov | :/ | 17:10 |
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| Ceron | siriusnov: it does not :P | 17:13 |
| Ceron | last for over a day | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | http://pastebin.com/f227e559a works like a charm for xchat | 17:13 |
| RST38h | the iPhone has taken over 46.1 percent of the Japanese smartphone market | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | wtf | 17:14 |
| RST38h | dunno | 17:14 |
| zash | RST38h: that can't be true | 17:14 |
| yuizy | what is the ".bashrc" equivalent? where can i store my aliases etc | 17:14 |
| bilboed-pi | does the iPhone even support CJK ? | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | .pofile? | 17:15 |
| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_smartphone01.jpg | 17:15 |
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| jebba | offhand, anyone know if F14 or F15 are used anywhere? Like the camera button or something isnt mapped to an F key or anyhting is it? | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: if you like to copy the xchat config at http://pastebin.com/f227e559a' you're welcome | 17:23 |
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| jebba | heh cool | 17:24 |
| jebba | will take a look | 17:24 |
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| AndrewFBlack | how do you move your package from devel to testing? | 17:27 |
| cpscotti_ | AndrewFBlack: promote it | 17:28 |
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| AndrewFBlack | cpscotti_, yeah i know that how do I promote it | 17:28 |
| cpscotti_ | on its page at garage | 17:28 |
| cosmo_ | AndrewFBlack: promoting, but no-one can currently tell how | 17:29 |
| cpscotti_ | ok | 17:29 |
| AndrewFBlack | looked at its garage and don´t see a way to do it | 17:29 |
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| cpscotti_ | u can go 2 ur package page at garage right? | 17:29 |
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| cpscotti_ | there, u'll see a listing of builds | 17:30 |
| Micha_ | Is there a way to see how often your packaged files have been downloaded through the repository? | 17:30 |
| AndrewFBlack | cpscotti_, yeah I see the builds | 17:30 |
| Micha_ | Ie, not from the 'Files' section of the garage package page. | 17:30 |
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| cpscotti_ | ubuntu has popcon ... but generally there's no way to know | 17:30 |
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| cpscotti_ | Andrew: click on ur last armel build | 17:31 |
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| AndrewFBlack | cpscotti_, ok I figured it was there but Garage was timing out on me again about time I tried there lol | 17:32 |
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| cpscotti_ | ehehehehe | 17:32 |
| cpscotti_ | yeah.. it takes years... | 17:32 |
| cpscotti_ | everything relating garage... | 17:33 |
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| AndrewFBlack | yeah I hate to say it I miss the old Diablo days when everything worked | 17:34 |
| cosmo_ | maemo.org is still horribly slow | 17:35 |
| cosmo_ | cpscotti_: hey thanks, i found the promote button! | 17:36 |
| cpscotti_ | :) | 17:36 |
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| cpscotti_ | but its like they know its bad... probably its getting better in a week or two | 17:37 |
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| tcarl|work | morning everyone. | 17:47 |
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| * pupnik_ boggles at all the devices seen in alsamixer | 17:48 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I see only two. | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | The freerunner had about 96. | 17:50 |
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| cosmo_ | yeah, i got my package promoted. now everybody go vote for ppcards :) | 17:51 |
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| pupnik_ | SpeedEvil: i installed alsa-utils and pulse utils from sdk | 17:54 |
| pupnik_ | everything is exposed to alsa | 17:55 |
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| pupnik_ | alsamixer -c 0 | 17:55 |
| pupnik_ | otherwise you see the dummy alsa frontend provided by pulse | 17:56 |
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| andre__ | any portuguese folks with a N900 around that could comment on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7112 ? | 17:57 |
| povbot | Bug 7112: Enter Pin screen has two buttons that lead to confusion | 17:57 |
| nhg1 | wondering the best way to get support for audio formats such as AAC etc. in Maemo. We tried installing the gst-bad plugins with faad but the relevant faad elements were missing when doing a gst-inspect. | 17:58 |
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| Micha_ | Here's a good tip for adding pgup/pgdn to the arrow keys: http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2009/12/17/remapping-the-n900-arrow-keys/ | 18:00 |
| Micha_ | Leaves more room for the xterm tip mentioned yesterday :) | 18:01 |
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| Micha_ | PING 1261152653 811405 | 18:10 |
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| GAN900 | dneary, pong? | 18:16 |
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| dneary | GAN900, I have a surprise for you | 18:17 |
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| GAN900 | dneary, I can only imagine. | 18:18 |
| dneary | GAN900, Can you try editing the "Contributing to the wiki" page for me, please? | 18:19 |
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| dneary | Or maybe a different page... say, Getting involved | 18:20 |
| GAN900 | dneary, ah, yes. I kept putting off bothering X-Fade about that. | 18:20 |
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| GAN900 | dneary, looks good! | 18:21 |
| dneary | Took me a few hours to figure out the correct way to do it in Mediawiki | 18:21 |
| dneary | If you want to change the wording, I have another surprise: http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Edit_help | 18:22 |
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| GAN900 | They really need to overhaul the config stuff. | 18:29 |
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| * GAN900 has tab! | 18:36 | |
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| xeviox | hi | 18:37 |
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| xeviox | is there already a release date for maemo 6? | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: ah | 18:38 |
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| xeviox | or does anybody know if maemo6 will run on the n900? | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | xeviox: no, and no. | 18:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | xeviox: 6 requires multitouch reportedly | 18:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | and n900 does not by default come with multitouch in | 18:41 |
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| xeviox | ah k | 18:41 |
| jebba | *requires* ? | 18:41 |
| xeviox | and is it possible to create a "kiosk-mode" app on meamo5 or 6 ? | 18:42 |
| w00t | note "reportedly" | 18:42 |
| w00t | there hasn't been any official news ether way | 18:42 |
| w00t | *either | 18:42 |
| jebba | reportedly by who? | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: To restate - key UI elements are multitouch | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: AIUI it was a speech by someone important at a conference. | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | but I forget details. | 18:42 |
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| range | Ummm. WTF? Broken UI, I'd say. | 18:42 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: I very much doubt they *require* multitouch to function, otherwise I can see a severe upcoming case of foot, meet mouth | 18:42 |
| w00t | people using one hand to operate their phone for instance wouldn't be overly amused | 18:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | w00t: yeah - well - ... | 18:43 |
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| w00t | but yeah, wait and see what comes I say | 18:43 |
| xeviox | and which IDEs do you use for development? | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | At least that was the reason raised - for no 6 on n900 | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | and yes. | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | it's gonna be a while. | 18:43 |
| w00t | xeviox: qt creator | 18:44 |
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| w00t | (or vim) | 18:44 |
| lardman | afternoon all | 18:44 |
| w00t | hi hi | 18:44 |
| lardman | hi w00t | 18:44 |
| w00t | how goes? | 18:44 |
| lardman | not bad, just back from xmas lunch | 18:44 |
| lardman | :) | 18:44 |
| xeviox | w00t: thx | 18:44 |
| w00t | xeviox: no problem :) | 18:45 |
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| w00t | lardman: lucky bugger! | 18:45 |
| xeviox | we're planning to create a kiosk mode app for a mobile phone, and we're very unlucky with the horrible graphic perfomance of our windows mobile phones .. | 18:45 |
| w00t | xeviox: hahaha. I feel your pain | 18:45 |
| xeviox | so I'm searching for an alternative | 18:45 |
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| range | lardman: You already have christmas? | 18:45 |
| w00t | I've been stuck with winmo for 3 years now until I got my n900 | 18:45 |
| xeviox | and maemo looks great | 18:45 |
| xeviox | ^^ | 18:46 |
| w00t | never ever going back, ever | 18:46 |
| xeviox | lol | 18:46 |
| lardman | range: work xmas lunch thing | 18:46 |
| xeviox | is the performance that great as shown in the vids? | 18:46 |
| w00t | xeviox: I've never had to wait for anything except data transmission (webpage loading etc) and webpage rendering *occasionally* | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | me too | 18:46 |
| w00t | but I expect the browser will get better | 18:46 |
| xeviox | k | 18:47 |
| w00t | (or fennec will replace it once it gets better) | 18:47 |
| xeviox | sounds good | 18:47 |
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| xeviox | and do you know if it is possible to create a kiosk mode application and delete all unused apps? | 18:47 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ping | 18:47 |
| w00t | I don't, unfortunately | 18:47 |
| xeviox | is there a good navigation software for maemo? | 18:47 |
| w00t | I'd imagine you could do close to anything you really wanted, though, just root yourself up and off you go | 18:48 |
| lardman | xeviox: certainly you could delete all apps, and you could probably force an app to be started automatically, though would take some work | 18:48 |
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| w00t | navigation isn't that great atm. but some competition to ovi maps is on the way | 18:48 |
| w00t | afaik | 18:48 |
| Myrtti | ohai | 18:48 |
| xeviox | hmm | 18:48 |
| w00t | lo, Myrtti | 18:48 |
| lardman | or use maemap | 18:48 |
| w00t | lardman: mm. what's that? | 18:48 |
| xeviox | does google maps work? | 18:48 |
| lardman | that web page which uses Google maps | 18:49 |
| lardman | isn't that the name? | 18:49 |
| w00t | I imagine so, xeviox, the n900 browser is pretty much the same as a desktop browser | 18:49 |
| w00t | so.. | 18:49 |
| w00t | lardman: ah | 18:49 |
| xeviox | ok | 18:49 |
| w00t | lardman: I count navigation as having GPS, though | 18:49 |
| xeviox | so there is no app for google maps like on iphone or win mobile? | 18:49 |
| w00t | xeviox: it's still a very new platform.. one may come, but there isn't one yet, no | 18:49 |
| xeviox | k | 18:50 |
| lardman | w00t: works for me ;) | 18:50 |
| fnordianslip | is maemo-mapper useable yet, or still a bit iffy? | 18:50 |
| lardman | seems to work ok | 18:50 |
| xeviox | maemo seems to be a great alternative as it seems to offer great performance and seems to be much more configurable than win mobile ^^ | 18:51 |
| lardman | indeed | 18:51 |
| lardman | :) | 18:51 |
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| xeviox | anything I should know before I order a n900 ??? ^^ | 18:51 |
| lardman | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33645 is maeMaps | 18:52 |
| tcarl|work | amazon takes a long time to ship them. | 18:52 |
| xeviox | lol | 18:52 |
| w00t | tcarl|work: hahaha | 18:52 |
| * w00t is very thankful he ordered directly. | 18:52 | |
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| tcarl|work | Yeah, it was $50 cheaper through amazon, than directly... | 18:52 |
| tcarl|work | But, directly would have had an N900 already in my hand. | 18:52 |
| xeviox | if I order one, I will order it in january earliest | 18:52 |
| w00t | exactly | 18:52 |
| tcarl|work | Amazon still hasn't even shipped mine yet :( | 18:53 |
| xeviox | :( | 18:53 |
| w00t | tcarl|work: woah, what country, and when did you order? | 18:53 |
| tcarl|work | I ordered my phone on 12/16, in the US. | 18:53 |
| tcarl|work | still not shipped today. | 18:53 |
| w00t | 16th of december? | 18:53 |
| tcarl|work | err not 12/16 | 18:53 |
| tcarl|work | hold, let me check. | 18:53 |
| w00t | was about to say :P | 18:53 |
| GAN900 | It was Jose-Luiz Martinez @ BCN | 18:53 |
| xeviox | maemaps looks ok, but seems to don't offer routing options | 18:53 |
| * mgedmin ordered it on 16th of october, got it last friday | 18:53 | |
| GAN900 | Wasn't entirely official. | 18:53 |
| GAN900 | More offhand, but. | 18:54 |
| tcarl|work | Okay, was ordered 12/12 | 18:54 |
| tcarl|work | still not shipped today. | 18:54 |
| w00t | mgedmin: christ | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | that was the Forum Nokia eStore, not Amazon, though | 18:54 |
| w00t | ah | 18:54 |
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| xeviox | would be great if you could change OSes on your phone like on your laptop :D | 18:55 |
| MuJ | soon your lptop is your phone | 18:55 |
| w00t | xeviox: you can, to a degree | 18:55 |
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| xeviox | any ideas if maemo will work on a htc touch diamond 2? | 18:56 |
| tcarl|work | xeviox: Highly unlikely. | 18:56 |
| xeviox | :( | 18:56 |
| tcarl|work | htc != nokia. | 18:57 |
| tcarl|work | maemo = nokia. | 18:57 |
| xeviox | ^^ | 18:57 |
| xeviox | I know some old pocket pcs that were able to be flashed to embedded linux .. | 18:57 |
| tcarl|work | maemo 5 is currently highly tailored to the N900. | 18:57 |
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| lardman | xeviox: it took some serious work though | 18:58 |
| tcarl|work | Its possible, you could get it running on your HTC device, but it would require a considerable effort to make that happen. | 18:58 |
| xeviox | work that I can't do because of lacking experience :( | 18:58 |
| tcarl|work | Try hundreds of hours, if not thousands to have that happen. | 18:58 |
| Ceron | any new intresting maps for n900 | 18:58 |
| Ceron | :l | 18:58 |
| lardman | work that people with experience won't tend to do because they lack time too | 18:58 |
| lardman | is that an Android device out of interest? | 18:59 |
| tcarl|work | more or less, for that to realistically happen, HTC would either have to fund the port of maemo to their device. | 18:59 |
| tcarl|work | s/either// | 18:59 |
| infobot | tcarl|work meant: more or less, for that to realistically happen, HTC would have to fund the port of maemo to their device. | 18:59 |
| lardman | well Linux would be enough, then it could be included in Mer | 18:59 |
| tcarl|work | yep. | 19:00 |
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| woglinde_ | ~seen x-fade | 19:02 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (3h 13m 43s), last said: 'RST38h: Lunch, bbl.'. | 19:02 |
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| lardman | ah, perhaps he had an XMas lunch too :) | 19:03 |
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| xeviox | what's the differnce between maemo and linux embedded? is it just like another dist.? | 19:03 |
| * AndrewFBlack been trying to get his theme in testing for 4 hours now but page wont load | 19:03 | |
| tbf | tcarl|work: well, like nokia repeats frequently maemo5 just is the 4th step | 19:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | xeviox: maemo is pretty much a 'normal' linux desktop | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | xeviox: with some custom daemons andstuff | 19:04 |
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| xeviox | SpeedEvil: and linux embedded is a very basic dist.? | 19:05 |
| lardman | hmm, is there no longer a setting on the N900 to disconnect after X minutes of inactivity? | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | xeviox: linux embedded is a specific project? | 19:05 |
| Macer | so | 19:05 |
| Macer | heroes = xmen | 19:05 |
| Macer | minus professor X? :) | 19:05 |
| Macer | heh | 19:05 |
| xeviox | SpeedEvil: yes, but can I see both as different distris? Because both are based on linux, right? | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | xeviox: embedded linux in general is simply a term for linux in a box that the user doesn't usually touch. Say routers, or ... | 19:06 |
| xeviox | ah k | 19:06 |
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| lardman | DVD players | 19:07 |
| lardman | Washing machines | 19:07 |
| johnsu01 | yay, openvpn widget is working very nicely now | 19:08 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | I don't know.. when I put linux on a box I generally don't touch it afterwards | 19:11 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Har har | 19:11 |
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| lardman | I always read embedded as meaning no gui | 19:14 |
| lardman | or at least not a standard one | 19:14 |
| tcarl|work | if its just no standard gui, then that means all linux is embedded. | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and that's the real meaning of embedded anyway | 19:15 |
| tcarl|work | There is no standard guy for linux. | 19:15 |
| tcarl|work | err gui. | 19:15 |
| tcarl|work | lol. | 19:15 |
| tcarl|work | (on dvorak the y key is next to the i key) :P | 19:15 |
| MuJ | lies.. all lies.. youre just drunk | 19:16 |
| tcarl|work | I wish. | 19:16 |
| MuJ | oh sorry, it was me | 19:16 |
| MuJ | nvm | 19:17 |
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| lardman | well no X then ;) | 19:17 |
| pupnik_ | pasuspender don't seem to work here | 19:18 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | http://suicidemachine.org/ boom! | 19:19 |
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| pupnik_ | pulseaudio on n900 gets respawned by /etc/event.d/pulseaudio | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: no ascii keyboard. no user accounts | 19:22 |
| lardman | no way of telling it's Linux in normal operation | 19:22 |
| lardman | might be another one to add | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | a very good one :-) | 19:23 |
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| pupnik_ | alsactl init | 19:38 |
| pupnik_ | Unknown hardware: "tlv320aic3x" | 19:38 |
| pupnik_ | hmm | 19:38 |
| woglinde_ | lol | 19:40 |
| woglinde_ | still fighting | 19:40 |
| woglinde_ | ? | 19:41 |
| woglinde_ | with dmix | 19:41 |
| pupnik_ | no, trying to bypass pulse. got alsamixer running but only geiger counter sounds from pcm | 19:41 |
| woglinde_ | lol | 19:42 |
| pupnik_ | amazing, alsamixer gives us control over the speaker high-pass-filter | 19:42 |
| pupnik_ | cutoff point | 19:42 |
| woglinde_ | ???? | 19:43 |
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| pupnik_ | Item: ADC HPF Cut-off [0.0125xFs | 19:44 |
| pupnik_ | right, got aplay and amixer happy. now to see why sdl is borking it | 19:45 |
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| BabelO | hi | 19:48 |
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| ml-mobile | wifi now at 10mW, let's see what that does | 19:49 |
| BabelO | can someone confirm me that he can see my application under extras-devel version 0.2-2 | 19:49 |
| BabelO | ml-mobile: i works a lot more | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | ml-mobile: prolly very little unless you are doing a _lot_ of transmitting | 19:49 |
| ml-mobile | yeah | 19:49 |
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| ml-mobile | Powersave mode hates my AP though | 19:51 |
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| BabelO | oups my application is qlandkartem gps application :) | 19:52 |
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| xeviox | is there a emulator for memo? | 19:52 |
| xeviox | s/memo/maemo | 19:52 |
| xeviox | s/a/an | 19:52 |
| woglinde | there is a sdk which can run most stuff on i386 | 19:53 |
| xeviox | sounds good, is there a screenshot somewhere? | 19:53 |
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| Micha_ | BabelO: Still showing as 0.2-1 here (after an apt-get update) | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: i want to submit some talk re GNOME and Mer just for a heads up - i need to be back in poland to do so (back sunday) | 19:56 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, OK | 19:57 |
| dneary | I'll ping you again Monday, I'm around until Thursday next week | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 19:57 |
| BabelO | Micha_: ok thanks, it look strange, on my device i did not see it under navigation in app manager but i see it with apt-cache search at the good revision | 19:57 |
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| Stskeeps | had to hand in my master's thesis so -everything- was temporarily halted :P | 19:57 |
| pupnik_ | grr pete's spu broken | 19:58 |
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| lucent | found a bug | 20:03 |
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| Micha_ | BabelO: Do you alrady have the latest version installed from a .deb on your n900? | 20:04 |
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| lucent | in N900 web browser, if you enter a password to a website and then submit the form, then hit the action (swipe from offscreen lower right to onscreen towards the left) to go back in browser history, and it asks you for your password.... it's hosed | 20:04 |
| lucent | no way to switch back to that task | 20:04 |
| Micha_ | BabelO: If so, I'm fairly sure apt-cache will show the details of the installed version, not the version available in the repositories. | 20:04 |
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| lucent | I mean, it asks if you want to save your password | 20:05 |
| GAN900 | lucent, bugs.maemo.org | 20:05 |
| lucent | okay | 20:05 |
| lucent | how would I search if that's an existing bug though? what search terms | 20:06 |
| BabelO | Micha_: ok i will look i ve no version installed, removed the one i have. and autobuilder tell me all is ok with 0.2-2 | 20:06 |
| lucent | I don't understand enough to know what to search to avoid filing a dupe report | 20:06 |
| dneary | It sucks that moblin and UNR don't work on this netbook (Samsung NC20) | 20:06 |
| dneary | The wifi's OK (atheros) but the graphics is a Via piece of closed crap | 20:07 |
| Micha_ | BabelO: It can take a while (in my experience) for the package to be in the repository after the autobuilder completes. But odd if you can see it via apt-cache. Let me update again. | 20:07 |
| woglinde | dneary has it poulsbo chipset? | 20:07 |
| woglinde | ah via | 20:07 |
| woglinde | sorry | 20:07 |
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| GAN900 | lucent, I don't think it's been filed, but use advanced search to filter to browser bugs then try some keywords. | 20:08 |
| pupnik_ | alsamixer can also turn off/on radio | 20:08 |
| dneary | woglinde, VX800/820 | 20:09 |
| woglinde | pupnik_ lol | 20:09 |
| dneary | woglinde, No 3d, no MPEG4 hardware accel, lousy 2D performance | 20:09 |
| Micha_ | BabelO: Ok, I can see both versions now. | 20:09 |
| woglinde | hm phoronix has something | 20:10 |
| woglinde | about this | 20:10 |
| dneary | woglinde, My thing, or the other thing? | 20:11 |
| woglinde | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=via_nov_20&num=1b | 20:11 |
| woglinde | Published today are four programming guides to cover the VX800/820 Graphics Core & 2D (100 pages), VX800/820 3D & video (157 pages), | 20:11 |
| woglinde | seems you can write the driver yourself | 20:11 |
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| pupnik_ | more /var/lib/alsa/asound.state gives me the enumerated mixer devices for RX51 audio device. /etc/init.d/alsa-util restart works without complaints, but pcm device gives me burbly garbage from sdl - fine from aplay / mplayer | 20:16 |
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| mgedmin | pupnik_, why alsa, and not pulseaudio? | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | doesn't SDL have pulse support? | 20:18 |
| woglinde | mgedmin because pulse suckz up cpu | 20:19 |
| el_zilcho | anyone else having problems with applications not instlaling due to the 230mb rootfs / being 100% full? | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | and because it would suck if all apps supported needless frills like bluetooth headphones, right? | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | el_zilcho, all the time ;) | 20:20 |
| el_zilcho | is there a solution to that? | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | uninstall some apps | 20:20 |
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| mgedmin | or wait until optified apps make their way past the extras-testing gauntlet | 20:20 |
| el_zilcho | but its only a 230mb partition... why would apps even go there? | 20:20 |
| el_zilcho | oh | 20:20 |
| woglinde | el_zilcho its working on | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | complicated technical reasons :( | 20:20 |
| el_zilcho | yeah | 20:20 |
| el_zilcho | ok | 20:21 |
| mgedmin | if you're interested, look up "the opt problem" in the maemo wiki | 20:21 |
| woglinde | there is an effort do convert packages to use /opt | 20:21 |
| mgedmin | people are working on it | 20:21 |
| pupnik_ | mgedmin: i'm real impressed with pulse, but it makes some things unusable, so we need an option to bypass. i haven't had luck using pasuspend (which should let us do this on a per-app basis) | 20:21 |
| el_zilcho | yeah, i wo't look it up now, but i understand from your message | 20:21 |
| el_zilcho | what's going on | 20:21 |
| mgedmin | pupnik_, ok | 20:21 |
| pupnik_ | any ideas what proper /etc/asound.conf might be for RX51 pcm device? | 20:22 |
| pupnik_ | well not proper - alsabackend | 20:22 |
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| el_zilcho | i guess i'm going to try to see what is actually being put there that shouldn't be and see if i can just symlink it over to the other partition | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | I've a sort of a script that sort of does that, sort of... | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | but it ignores libraries, which probably take up the most space | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | I think currently the largest known problem is python: ~20 megs of rootfs | 20:25 |
| AndrewFBlack | Just pushed my Theme maemo-org to extras-testing if anyone wants to check it out. | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | the optified version in extras-devel had some scary faults, so it's undergoing extra testing now | 20:25 |
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| xeviox | is the n900 the best maemo phone for now? | 20:26 |
| el_zilcho | its the only maemo "phone" | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's the only | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | it's the only maemo phone | 20:26 |
| xeviox | oh | 20:26 |
| xeviox | ^^ k | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, except for mer/freerunner, which doesn't function as a phone. | 20:26 |
| pupnik_ | ty AndrewFBlack | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | maemo!=mer | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | You can tell by the pixels. | 20:27 |
| AndrewFBlack | pupnik_, no prob | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | And the fact I've seen some closed-source binaries in my time. | 20:27 |
| BabelO | Micha_: so it is not normal to see both versions ? you see in app manager too ? | 20:27 |
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| AndrewFBlack | figures I would push my theme to extras testing and they release a new copy of ThemeMaker same day lol | 20:29 |
| lucent | okay bug #7122 filed | 20:35 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7122 Popup versus back history UI race condition in Browser | 20:35 |
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| odin_ | does anyone have a working SDK they can compile evtest.c for me please ? | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | o/ | 20:37 |
| odin_ | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~whot/evtest/snapshot/evtest-1.25.zip | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | I can git clone, if you wish | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | would be simpler for me, really | 20:38 |
| GAN900 | AndrewFBlack, short description should be sentence case. | 20:38 |
| GAN900 | AndrewFBlack, use Maemo-Display-Name | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | ah, sorry, I assumes it's your app you want to test | 20:39 |
| yuizy | how can i watch .asf videostream? | 20:40 |
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| GAN900 | I'd just say "A maemo.org theme" | 20:40 |
| AndrewFBlack | GAN900, you talking about short decription on bugzilla? | 20:40 |
| AndrewFBlack | or package? | 20:40 |
| yuizy | mplayer seems to be quite heavy | 20:40 |
| GAN900 | Package | 20:40 |
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| mgedmin | rather than a tool to figure something else out | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | how do you use autoconf? | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | ah, autoreconf -i | 20:41 |
| odin_ | mgedmin, are you comments directed at me ? which side of autoconf are you? the developer or the builder/installer ? | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | odin_, trying to build evtest-1.25 for you, yes ;) | 20:41 |
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| mgedmin | evtest.c:195: error: 'BTN_TOOL_QUADTAP' undeclared here (not in a function) | 20:41 |
| odin_ | is ./configure not working ? | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | there was no configure in the zip | 20:41 |
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| mgedmin | /usr/include/linux/input.h in the SDK doesn't have BTN_TOOL_QUADTAP, only up to TRIPLETAP | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | older api, I suspect | 20:42 |
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| odin_ | ok but thats just diagnostic... | 20:43 |
| * mgedmin ifdefs that out | 20:43 | |
| odin_ | maybe they should have #ifdef that | 20:43 |
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| mgedmin | evtest-capture.c:563: error: 'ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR' undeclared here (not in a function) | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | huh, it's already protected by #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE >= KERNEL_VERSION(2,6,30) | 20:43 |
| AndrewFBlack | GAN900, is Maemo-Display-Name required I use py2deb to make my source packages and not sure if I know how to add a Maemo-Display-Name | 20:44 |
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| odin_ | add another inner ifdef should do it | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | odin_, http://mg.pov.lt/evtest-1.25-fremantle-armel.zip | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | and the "it's already protected" bit applied to a different file than the one I got an error in | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | so I copied the same ifdef from evtest.c to evtest-capture.c and it compiled fine | 20:47 |
| odin_ | thanks very much, giving it a go (to diagnose my Bluetooth Keyboard for N900) | 20:47 |
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| Micha_ | AndrewFBlack: Can you set the app-manager icon using py2deb? | 20:48 |
| AndrewFBlack | Micha_, yeah | 20:48 |
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| Micha_ | AndrewFBlack: How? It's one of the few things I haven't worked out yet. | 20:50 |
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| el_zilcho | mgedmin: there's really no way to resize this root partition either, eh? looks like moving/symlinking is not going to be a workable solution | 20:51 |
| * Micha_ got it going in pypackager | 20:51 | |
| AndrewFBlack | Micha_, line 27 p.icon = "/home/user/MyDocs/Build/icon.png" but you can put the icon anywhere thats just where I hav it | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | el_zilcho, eh, no, not unless you find some way to solder a bigger NAND flash chip | 20:51 |
| el_zilcho | ahh | 20:51 |
| Micha_ | AndrewFBlack: Thanks! | 20:52 |
| el_zilcho | i see | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the root partiton is max size you get from NAND | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | maybe some kind of "boot from MMC" trick might work, but I'm not touching those with a ten-foot pole | 20:52 |
| el_zilcho | yes | 20:52 |
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| el_zilcho | yeah, screw it | 20:52 |
| el_zilcho | i'll just uninstall more stuff | 20:52 |
| AndrewFBlack | Micha_, no problem just need ot figure out how todo this hildon-display-name thingy | 20:52 |
| el_zilcho | until something works | 20:52 |
| fiferboy | AndrewFBlack: I really like the theme, but some highlights seem to be missing | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | also, reboot | 20:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | rebooting ofen frees space | 20:52 |
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| el_zilcho | i reboot like twice daily just for my wireless to connect | 20:53 |
| AndrewFBlack | fiferboy, its a problem with theme maker to putting them in several themes of the error | 20:53 |
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| fiferboy | AndrewFBlack: Ah, gotcha. | 20:53 |
| odin_ | is there any problem with assigning a password to user "user" ? will it break anything ? | 20:53 |
| odin_ | will it change the behavor of anything ? | 20:54 |
| flux | no idea, but I would do it :) | 20:54 |
| Micha_ | AndrewFBlack: where i that used? | 20:54 |
| AndrewFBlack | Micha_, got no idea | 20:55 |
| flux | odin_, currently it's configured (as you may well know) to not have a valid login password, it seems very doubtful enabling it would break anything | 20:55 |
| odin_ | you mean SSH login, or all logins (i.e. PAM always rejects auth attempts) | 20:56 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:56 |
| flux | odin_, I mean user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh | 20:56 |
| flux | odin_, sshing in as root works just fine, I would be surprised if it didn't work for user | 20:57 |
| bigbrovar_ | hi guys, just got my N900 and am wondering how to take out the back cover so i can try my sim LOL | 20:57 |
| odin_ | ah I see it just uses crypt for password storage in /etc/passwd (rather than /etc/shadow with salted hash) | 20:57 |
| lcuk | get your stylus | 20:57 |
| lcuk | push it into the thumb/fonger hole | 20:57 |
| lcuk | about 2 inches | 20:57 |
| flux | bigbrovar_, yes, it's a bit scary, but it will open once you apply sufficient force :) | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | odin_,flux, yeah, I change it to user:*: and then ssh works | 20:57 |
| lcuk | give a wiggle and the case will fall off | 20:58 |
| flux | mgedmin, user:*:, what? | 20:58 |
| el_zilcho | yeah, i'm still using root to ssh in... which i don't care for, but i've been too lazy to examine further.... one thing that really bugs me though is that from the CLI, even after setting a root password... calling 'root' does the su w/out prompting for the password i set | 20:58 |
| * mtnbkr was afraid that he would break his on first attempt to open cover too | 20:58 | |
| flux | wouldn't simply using 'passwd user' change it so that it works, and after that it's not going to be * | 20:58 |
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| odin_ | I am already using "root" with SSH with a password setup but using "passwd user" is best | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | fliux, in /etc/passwd, when the password is !, user can't log in no way no how, when the password hash is *, user can login using ssh keys only | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | s/fliux/flux/ | 20:58 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: flux, in /etc/passwd, when the password is !, user can't log in no way no how, when the password hash is *, user can login using ssh keys only | 20:58 |
| flux | mgedmin, oh, right, didn't think of that | 20:58 |
| el_zilcho | good to know | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | passwords are passe | 20:59 |
| flux | :) | 20:59 |
| jkimball4 | does the n900 box have the phone's serial number on it? | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | actually, I could probably just unlock it with passwd -u instead of editing /etc/passwd directly... | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | stupid of me | 20:59 |
| odin_ | but use "passwd -l user" and "password -u user" to remove ! | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | jkimball4, yes | 20:59 |
| bigbrovar_ | this is pretty embarrassing .. not even having a clue on how to take out the back cover without making the wrong move #N900 | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | it has both IMEI and WLAN MAC outside | 20:59 |
| flux | whoa, I never looked the command line options of passwd, there are plenty : | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | bigbrovar_, use force | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | within reason, of course | 21:00 |
| jkimball4 | mgedmin: i see. is this information recorded when a retailer sends the device out? | 21:00 |
| flux | ITYM "the force" | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | but the cover is rather hard to take off | 21:00 |
| jkimball4 | i'm considering buying a second phone from someone else so i can return this defective one without waiting on dell | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | jkimball4, I've no idea | 21:00 |
| flux | it'll get easier once you pop it once or twice | 21:00 |
| flux | perhaps it's only more self-confidence, or it loosens up a bit | 21:00 |
| flux | apparently similar covers have been great at breaking down in earlier phones, though | 21:01 |
| lcuk | bigbrovar_, i just answered you | 21:02 |
| woglinde | re lcuk | 21:02 |
| Micha_ | AndrewFBlack: Thanks, that worked! | 21:02 |
| lcuk | re woglinde | 21:03 |
| AndrewFBlack | Micha_, no problem | 21:03 |
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| Micha_ | AndrewFBlack: couldn't find any reference to that option, and i spent a bit of time searching.. | 21:03 |
| q0s | hey guys. how do i remove ANY personal information and settings from my n900? | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | q0s: flash both flash and emmc | 21:04 |
| AndrewFBlack | Micha_, sometimes the easy stuff is hard to find | 21:04 |
| q0s | i did flash the flash ... but missed the emmc. omg | 21:04 |
| q0s | what means "VANILLA" version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900. i dont understand vanilla :) | 21:05 |
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| bigbrovar_ | heck no Nigeria in the time region.. cant even find west africa | 21:06 |
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| odin_ | q0s, VANILLA is a "plain flavor" what Nokia's means is their default personalization | 21:07 |
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| q0s | odin_, that means? | 21:08 |
| kkito | hey, do you know if is it possible to remove the starting nokia song? | 21:08 |
| kkito | is very annoying | 21:09 |
| jkimball4 | i saw something in the application manager that replaces the startup screen with ATHF stuff | 21:09 |
| jkimball4 | don't know if it works | 21:09 |
| jkimball4 | though, i disagree that it's annoying | 21:09 |
| * hardaker does a du before and after a reboot; finds / increase in space by 15M but no good differences in du to account for it. Whee. | 21:10 | |
| odin_ | q0s, means their default wallpaper and option choices, etc... since its possible for a Mobile Network Operator to buy the phone from nokia and customize it (to brand it) before providing the phone to the Mobile Subscriber, so VANILLA is just a plain set of defaults as opposed to a branded one | 21:10 |
| q0s | odin_, thanks for your description. so, i guess this is what came with my n900 by default? | 21:11 |
| jkimball4 | hardaker: if it's in the FAT part, who knows.. | 21:11 |
| jkimball4 | even ext3 i'm not so sure | 21:11 |
| odin_ | q0s, the nokia VANILLA defaults are more aimed at showing off the features of the phone and the stuff that the phone hooks upto (like Ovi Store, etc...) | 21:11 |
| hardaker | did a du from / and compared the whole tree | 21:11 |
| odin_ | q0s, yes, if you purchase the phone directly from Nokia, yes it is the default | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | hardaker, / is ubifs, it does garbage collection on boot | 21:12 |
| hardaker | yep... | 21:12 |
| hardaker | any way to trigger it? | 21:12 |
| odin_ | mgedmin, I hope it does garbage collection more often | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | hardaker, reboot :) | 21:12 |
| q0s | odin_, thanks a lot | 21:12 |
| hardaker | (I was doing it to wonder if they were also cleaning up disk space too; like apt caches, etc, but nope... it's *just* garbarage collection) | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | odin_, I think so; normally it does that slowly in the background or something | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | I'm not really sure... | 21:12 |
| hardaker | the problem is that after installing 3-4 packages I don't have any space left and the only solution is to reboot. | 21:13 |
| hardaker | I'd rather *not* reboot. | 21:13 |
| mgedmin | yeah, ouch | 21:13 |
| hardaker | (obviously) | 21:13 |
| mgedmin | I did a backup and when tried to restore all my apps, ran out of disk space in the middle of the list | 21:13 |
| odin_ | yes thats a real problem, afecting many users... there must be a way to force an online/mounted garbage collection of the filesystem | 21:13 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 21:13 |
| el_zilcho | hardaker: :) i feel ya... same thing here... i guess patience will be our solution | 21:13 |
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| mgedmin | worth a bug, I suspect | 21:13 |
| hardaker | mgedmin: probably true. | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | I assumed my problem was caused by the apps becoming bigger | 21:14 |
| odin_ | which can be hooked into the apt package system to automatically sync-ubifs (infact a nice little tool is needed to force that) | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | or by the fact that I'd moved the hildon-welcome startup movie into /opt by hand | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | although that .avi file is only 1.5 megs | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | and I still had 3 megs free on my old n900 | 21:14 |
| odin_ | I moved my /var/ligb/dpkg folder to /opt/maemo/var/lib/dpkg | 21:15 |
| odin_ | the dpkg database takes up between 5% and 15% of total rootfs space, this needs to be addresses so its scalable | 21:15 |
| el_zilcho | that's the video of the hands clasping each other? | 21:15 |
| hardaker | I've wondered why /usr/lib/python2.5 isn't in /opt | 21:15 |
| odin_ | is python2.5 provided by Nokia ? | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | el_zilcho, yes | 21:16 |
| hardaker | or /usr/share/icons | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | hardaker, *sigh* | 21:16 |
| hardaker | odin_: I'm not actualy sure. | 21:16 |
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| mgedmin | /usr/share/icons -- because rootfs must be flashable | 21:16 |
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| hardaker | mgedmin: right... but, *that* doesn't need to come from flash | 21:17 |
| hardaker | (IMHO) | 21:17 |
| hardaker | I realize on a reflash they might want to use different icons. | 21:17 |
| hardaker | but a after-flash script would fix that. | 21:17 |
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| odin_ | hardaker, if python2.5 is part of the "maemo base platform" http://maemo.org/intro/platform/ (there was a better diagram, that listed OpenSSL) | 21:18 |
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| hardaker | odin_: I was just looking into that... hadn't remember the proper dpkg line to show the origin | 21:19 |
| odin_ | why are there so many processes running? even my desktop doesn't have that many | 21:19 |
| hardaker | Maintainer: PyMaemo Team <pymaemo-developers@garage.maemo.org> | 21:19 |
| hardaker | odin_: run more things on your desktop ;-) n900: 160, desktop: 219 | 21:20 |
| hardaker | science friday is talking about data mining from your cell phone right now... | 21:20 |
| hardaker | very interesting. | 21:20 |
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| mgedmin | hardaker, python will be optified, once all the bugs are shaken out | 21:21 |
| odin_ | hardaker, my desktop workstation has 6Gb, but 160 processes for a mobile device is a little over the top | 21:22 |
| hardaker | mgedmin: what's the point of not doing it now though? | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | point is: I restored a bunch of apps from backup a couple of days ago | 21:22 |
| hardaker | odin_: yeah, I was shocked the first time I saw the process count. | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | and a bug in pymaemo-optify broke my python installation | 21:22 |
| * lcuk freezes | 21:22 | |
| mgedmin | that bug's been fixed | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | upgrading pymaemo-optify broke my python installation again | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | which turns out a leftover problem caused from the previous problem | 21:23 |
| mgedmin | anyway, the pymaemo team decided to do some extra testing to prevent these kinds of problems | 21:23 |
| el_zilcho | nice | 21:23 |
| el_zilcho | yay npr | 21:23 |
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| hardaker | 30480 ./usr/lib/python2.5 | 21:26 |
| hardaker | it's the 7th biggest directory in my sorted du. (/usr and /usr/lib are 2 of the spots above them too, of course) | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | hardaker, if you're feeling brave, add the extras-devel repository | 21:27 |
| hardaker | I have extras-devel. | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | then install pymaemo-optify | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | I'm surprised it wasn't installed automatically | 21:28 |
| el_zilcho | if you have the space :-P | 21:28 |
| el_zilcho | hehe | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | oh, wait, no! | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | hardaker, du -x /usr/lib/python2.5 | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | pymaemo-optify bind-mounts bits of /opt under /usr/lib/python2.5 | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | so du prints a sum of space used in / and in /opt | 21:28 |
| hardaker | FYI, it wasn't installed. | 21:29 |
| odin_ | the mount --bind's they are used for ? building package ? installation ? runtime ? | 21:29 |
| hardaker | so it wasn't automatic. | 21:29 |
| * hardaker really needs to start writing more stuff in python | 21:30 | |
| hardaker | sweet. Now I have 30M available in / (which is double). THanks for the tip. | 21:30 |
| hardaker | though, IMHO, I think the whole directory should be moved not just pieces. | 21:31 |
| el_zilcho | yeah, that's pimp | 21:31 |
| hardaker | whoops. | 21:31 |
| hardaker | it is. | 21:31 |
| hardaker | my bad. | 21:31 |
| * hardaker wonders why the mount instead of a link | 21:31 | |
| woglinde | hardaker overlay mounts are better | 21:33 |
| odin_ | the mount --bind's they are used for ? building package ? installation ? runtime ? (sounds like runtime, if you consider a symlink a viable alternative, at runtime must be a bad idea?) | 21:33 |
| Arkenoi | ovi.com UI is insane. sharing a picture the way everyone may see it is non-trivial, it is epic fail i think | 21:35 |
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| mgedmin | hardaker, IIRC turned out Python sees through symlinks | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | and then fails | 21:37 |
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| mgedmin | or something like that | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | there were long threads on mailing lists | 21:37 |
| hardaker | mgedmin: that's a bug in python if true. There is *no* reason it should be doing a lstat when looking for modules | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | yeah | 21:38 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: wait until you see ovi stoe.... | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | Arkenoi++ | 21:39 |
| odin_ | can the SDK be installed on a non-linux system ? | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | odin_, there are vmware images out there... | 21:39 |
| baraujo | hardaker, there is an explanation here: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-October/021348.html | 21:39 |
| hardaker | odin_: I've been wanting to see if I can move the contents of scratchbox to my fedora system and give it a shot; but I'm not hopeful. | 21:39 |
| odin_ | but the vmware image allows a Linux system to run in a non-linux system | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | ubuntu with maemo sdk preinstalled, plus maybe eclipse and goodies like that, dunno, never tried it | 21:39 |
| hardaker | baraujo: thanks for the link | 21:39 |
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| hardaker | I'd package and develop stuff a lot faster if I didn't have to have ubuntu running in a vbox | 21:40 |
| * Micha_ would like to see a fully functional sb2 - based sdk image | 21:40 | |
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| odin_ | I have a vmware host I can run that on | 21:40 |
| xeviox | I'm trying to install maemo sdk on ubuntu x64 | 21:41 |
| Micha_ | just to see how it differs from my attempts to get it going | 21:41 |
| xeviox | now I've setup stratchbox how the tutorial says | 21:41 |
| pupnik_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=433772&postcount=1 "maemo5/rx51 High Performance Audio Output" | 21:41 |
| xeviox | but receive the following error: You must close your other scratchbox session first | 21:41 |
| xeviox | when I try to run the maemo install script | 21:42 |
| xeviox | how do I logout from scratchbox? | 21:42 |
| odin_ | the http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/index.html is not the latest/final SDK ? | 21:42 |
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| hrw | re | 21:42 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd o/ | 21:42 |
| hrw | xeviox: just press Ctrl-d | 21:43 |
| wazd_n800 | hello all | 21:43 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, around? | 21:43 |
| hardaker | baraujo: thanks; you've now assured me that the python developers have their head somewhere they shouldn't. | 21:43 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, \o :) | 21:43 |
| Micha_ | odin_: no. | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: fixed a lot of fuckups in mer theming | 21:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: aha | 21:43 |
| RST38h | home, finally? | 21:44 |
| Micha_ | odin_: it may be the latest sb1-based sdk, not sure | 21:44 |
| xeviox | hrw: in ubuntu or the bash? | 21:44 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, polishing up Mer NY countdown | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | there was a '_' where it should be '-' | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 21:44 |
| odin_ | maybe I shall make an Amazon Elastic-Cloud AMI with the same | 21:44 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, if only( | 21:44 |
| hrw | xeviox: in scratchbox | 21:44 |
| odin_ | is there a single download with the SDK in it ? and they recommend debian on the host? or ubuntu ? (I am Red Hat / Ferdoa users on everything else) | 21:45 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, I've sent you file this morning, got it? | 21:45 |
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| RST38h | wazd: gmail address? I have not got anything | 21:45 |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, hmm... | 21:45 |
| xeviox | hrw: I just installed scratchbox then logged off and logged in and now try to run the maemo install script | 21:45 |
| xeviox | hrw: there is no scratchbox window opened | 21:45 |
| pupnik_ | hiya RST38h - you have any experience fixing burbly sound for sdl-->alsa? :/ | 21:46 |
| hrw | xeviox: then no idea - I am lazy, hate sbox and used maemosdk vm image | 21:46 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, wait a sec, I have a backup solution now) | 21:46 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Not really: I tried alsa on n900 but it did not work | 21:46 |
| pupnik_ | i got aplay running | 21:46 |
| pupnik_ | with no pulse inbetween | 21:46 |
| xeviox | anyone got an idea? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | I have got an ALSA sound driver in emulib | 21:46 |
| odin_ | I have lots of ideas (but not about linux sound) | 21:47 |
| pupnik_ | and full control of mixer / fmradio / speakerprot...hhhhhoooowwwweeee! thanks! | 21:47 |
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| odin_ | I had problem with fmtuner upgrade, the "stop" and "start" stuck | 21:47 |
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| odin_ | so the install script hung, which made the UI hang also | 21:47 |
| xeviox | maybe this message help: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 21:48 |
| xeviox | this message is displayed 3 times before the "E:" error | 21:48 |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, http://s16.radikal.ru/i190/0912/1b/bc1be0ae209a.png | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: Woo! | 21:50 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, uploaded it just in case :D | 21:50 |
| xeviox | how can I check if scratchbox is installed correctly? | 21:51 |
| xeviox | sorry I'm not that experienced with linux .. | 21:51 |
| RST38h | yesssssss | 21:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: Should I simply forward this URL? | 21:52 |
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| hardaker | xeviox: run /scratchbox/login and then try to use it! | 21:55 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, as you wish | 21:56 |
| RST38h | ok, done | 21:56 |
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| xeviox | hardaker: k I'll try | 21:57 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, great, thx | 21:57 |
| hardaker | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners | 21:57 |
| hardaker | read that; it gets you up and running quickly. | 21:58 |
| hardaker | and tests it. | 21:58 |
| xeviox | hardaker: also throws the same errors | 21:58 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, my improvements are a bit radical but I hope you'll like it) | 21:58 |
| florian | hi murrayc | 21:58 |
| murrayc | hi | 21:59 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, mix of fremantle, lowres screens optimisations and portrait/landscape compatibility | 21:59 |
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| odin_ | where is the actual Freemantle SDK ? I have some scripts and I see at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php the Ubuntu+SDK mixed | 22:00 |
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| km82rt | <-- is wondering why we need push-mail if IMAP Idle is available | 22:02 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: cool | 22:04 |
| moo-_- | odin_: forum.nokia.com | 22:04 |
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| moo-_- | odin_: maemo.org has links | 22:04 |
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| bigbrovar_ | hi guys, just got my N900 and i plugged it to my pc ,,, hoping to charge it through the usb.. and also transfer some data to it | 22:05 |
| bigbrovar_ | I plugged it but it doesnt auto mounts on kubuntu | 22:06 |
| bigbrovar_ | and no indication or charging on the device itself .. | 22:06 |
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| odin_ | moo-_-, yes Ive been there, there are just 3 scripts there not the actual SDK | 22:07 |
| moo-_- | odin_: one script will download and install SDK... if you want to install it Some Other Way (tm) I recommend you to check what the script does | 22:08 |
| moo-_- | it's an installer, after all | 22:08 |
| odin_ | moo-_-, I don't want to install it, just download it | 22:08 |
| * ShadowJK would conside imap idle a push email | 22:09 | |
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| odin_ | also there is "GUI Installer", "Scratchbox Installer" and "SDK Installer" do I need all 3, are some super-sets of others ? | 22:09 |
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| ShadowJK | bigbrovar_: a menu should pop up on the deivce asking whether you want mass storage mode or pcsuite mode | 22:10 |
| bigbrovar_ | ShadowJK: none popped out :( | 22:10 |
| bigbrovar_ | ShadowJK: let me try again | 22:11 |
| ShadowJK | the led in lower light glows yellow, if screen is off and device is charging. turns green when charge complete. blinks blue for missed call/etc | 22:11 |
| ShadowJK | s/light/right/ | 22:11 |
| infobot | ShadowJK meant: the led in lower right glows yellow, if screen is off and device is charging. turns green when charge complete. blinks blue for missed call/etc | 22:11 |
| bigbrovar_ | ShadowJK: oh ok works now .. after charing it abit .. its working fine now thanks :) | 22:11 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm...significant snow storm for MD tomorrow... | 22:12 |
| RST38h | Scaaaaaaaary | 22:13 |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, yeah, I'm alredy praying :D | 22:14 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Exams and commencement cancelled in UMD | 22:14 |
| * RST38h is still getting UMD-wide announcements with all the scary news | 22:15 | |
| woglinde | moo | 22:15 |
| wazd_n800 | woglinde, heya | 22:15 |
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| lcukn900 | my nuts are freezing off | 22:15 |
| wazd_n800 | lcukn900, sucker :D | 22:16 |
| woglinde | lcuk run | 22:16 |
| wazd_n800 | lcukn900, I have -24 here) | 22:16 |
| woglinde | wazd *g* | 22:16 |
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| lcukn900 | sent out to get tea and im fscking cold | 22:17 |
| lcukn900 | its -t here but feels like -99o9o999 | 22:17 |
| lcukn900 | -5 | 22:17 |
| fiferboy | AndrewFBlack: Let me know when you need a maemo-org from the new theme maker tested... | 22:20 |
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| GAN900 | AndrewFBlack, just a general recommendation: look at the website for more inspiration. | 22:21 |
| wazd_n800 | not :D | 22:22 |
| fiferboy | wazd_n800: How is marina? | 22:22 |
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| wazd_n800 | fiferboy, well, my netbook is too weak to manipulate with its source so I'm not currently working on it | 22:24 |
| fiferboy | wazd_n800: Ah | 22:24 |
| wazd_n800 | fiferboy, aking new-year series for Mer) | 22:24 |
| wazd_n800 | making* | 22:24 |
| fiferboy | wazd_n800: Cool! | 22:24 |
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| wazd_n800 | fiferboy, looks like you're back to development) | 22:25 |
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| fiferboy | wazd_n800: It does? | 22:26 |
| wazd_n800 | fiferboy, or you're just registering facebook account for your kid? :) | 22:26 |
| hrw | does someone tried to build maemo.gitorious.org code to get system updates before nokia will release new FW? | 22:27 |
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| fiferboy | wazd_n800: I don't think either?! No facebook activity today, that I am aware of... | 22:27 |
| lardman | re | 22:27 |
| lardman | how are things chaps? | 22:27 |
| fiferboy | lardman: Hi | 22:27 |
| lardman | hey fiferboy, how's the family? | 22:28 |
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| fiferboy | lardman: Pretty good, other than colds. You? | 22:28 |
| lardman | all good thanks :) | 22:28 |
| woglinde | he fiferboy | 22:28 |
| fiferboy | Hey woglinde | 22:28 |
| woglinde | re lardman | 22:28 |
| lardman | ~seen X-Fade | 22:28 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (1h 7m 44s), last said: 'RST38h: Lunch, bbl.'. | 22:28 |
| lardman | hi woglinde | 22:28 |
| woglinde | lardman I wrote him an email | 22:28 |
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| lardman | ok, might to likewise | 22:29 |
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| pwnguin | i wish exchange for maemo would ignore my junkmail folder =( | 22:31 |
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| lardman | does anyone know what the default location interval is? | 22:32 |
| lardman | LOCATION_INTERVAL_DEFAULT | 22:32 |
| lardman | i.e. what time? | 22:32 |
| Anidel | Christmas is almost here and we haven't got our firmware gift yet !! :P :P :) | 22:33 |
| hrw | Anidel: I am writing post with informations what will be in it | 22:34 |
| hrw | Anidel: and I am not working for Nokia and I do not have any access to internal builds | 22:34 |
| lardman | hrw: asking or stating from what's in git? | 22:34 |
| Anidel | hrw: cool.. | 22:35 |
| Anidel | a post in t.m.o? | 22:35 |
| lardman | ah, there was a comment in one of the bugs about stuff being in git/having been fixed in code, but that code not necessarily making it into the next release | 22:35 |
| hrw | Anidel: no, my blog | 22:36 |
| hrw | Anidel: I do not post on forums too often | 22:36 |
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| bigbrovar_ | can anyone confirm if the application manager for the N900 works behind a network proxy? I have set a systemwide proxy but i cant get it to update. it fails everytime i try :( saying application list partially refreshed some catagories unavailable | 22:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | does proxy do http and https? | 22:41 |
| bigbrovar_ | yep http https and ftp ( its a squid proxy) | 22:42 |
| bigbrovar_ | SpeedEvil: it works very well on the N810 | 22:42 |
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| lardman | bigbrovar_: there have been problems in the past with manually set proxy servers not working for other apps | 22:43 |
| bigbrovar_ | SpeedEvil: I want to know if its a bug so i can file a bug report | 22:43 |
| lardman | e.g. RSS reader wouldn't work on N8x0 iirc | 22:43 |
| lardman | Are there other people out there like me who don't have a connection on all the time on their N900? | 22:44 |
| bigbrovar_ | lardman: hmmm funny rss works fine on me N810 same as app manager.. the only apps i had problem with were 3rd party apps .. all default app worked with the system wide proxy on my n810 | 22:44 |
| lardman | Am just wondering whether I should force the connection off after a latitude update is sent? | 22:44 |
| fiferboy | lardman: You mean a data connection? | 22:44 |
| lardman | bigbrovar_: ah, maybe it was fixed then, no idea then | 22:45 |
| lardman | fiferboy: yeah wifi or gsm/hsdpa data | 22:45 |
| lardman | or however that acronym is spelled | 22:45 |
| fiferboy | lardman: Yeah, I only ever have wifi when at home or work, no gprs | 22:45 |
| bigbrovar_ | lardman: thanks all the same | 22:46 |
| lardman | never have gprs on? | 22:46 |
| fiferboy | lardman: Not so far. $0.05/kB | 22:46 |
| lardman | ah, true | 22:46 |
| lcukn900 | always on 3g for me | 22:46 |
| fiferboy | I might actually get a good plan next week, but don't know if I want to shell out for unlimited | 22:46 |
| lardman | well if it turned wifi on, would you switch it off when you're not using it? | 22:47 |
| fiferboy | lardman: I guess if it wasn't on at the start it makes sense to turn it off again | 22:47 |
| lardman | fiferboy: if you have wifi at home and work then you don't need much data, I've got a 500MB deal and I can't even manage a 10th of that | 22:47 |
| lardman | lcukn900: ok, thanks | 22:47 |
| fiferboy | lardman: Yeah, but the new provider around here only has unlimited right now :| | 22:47 |
| lardman | fiferboy: yeah, shame the option to have the wifi switch itself off after some inactivity timeout is no longer there (afaict) | 22:48 |
| lardman | fiferboy: oh I see | 22:48 |
| fiferboy | But at least the new provder is AWS-compliant so I could get 3G :) | 22:48 |
| fiferboy | lardman: Yeah, and the problem with temporarily switching on wifi is (potentially) the unit will start checking email, apt updates, etc | 22:49 |
| lardman | indeed | 22:49 |
| fiferboy | I don't think that is such a problem with switching on GPRS, is it? | 22:50 |
| lardman | it will do the same over GPRS/3G | 22:50 |
| fiferboy | But at least with email you can have it automatically update only on WLAN | 22:50 |
| lardman | can you? | 22:51 |
| fiferboy | I don't know about other apps | 22:51 |
| lardman | oh right, never seen that | 22:51 |
| lardman | mine doens't seem to update very often at all | 22:51 |
| lardman | perhaps ~1500 emails in the inbox doesn't agree with it | 22:51 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, my inbox is huge and it will sometimes take ~5 minutes to settle down after switching on wifi | 22:52 |
| hrw | email? n900? not with modest | 22:52 |
| lardman | needs must sometimes | 22:53 |
| lardman | ;) | 22:53 |
| lardman | hmm, is it possible to set the minimum distance moved before liblocation calls your callback fn? | 22:55 |
| Anidel | hrm post the link here then.. what's your blog? | 22:56 |
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| jkimball4 | it's hard to get nokia to tell me if they associate the imei with the order number | 22:57 |
| lardman | does it matter? | 22:57 |
| jkimball4 | anybody tried to return a different n900 than the one they received from nokia with success? | 22:57 |
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| jkimball4 | lardman: it does because i could get my n900 replaced more quickly if they dont | 22:58 |
| jkimball4 | if they do and they get back a different phone, they'll probably be a bit stern | 22:58 |
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| ml-maemo | up 2d5h so far, much better than sunday-tuesday | 22:59 |
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| pupnik | this should be the correct format for SDL audio ... spec.format=AUDIO_S16SYS; | 23:01 |
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| ruskie | hmmm does maemo mapper have some limit as to where one can put the offline map cache? | 23:02 |
| ruskie | or is there some external tool to generate a file for it | 23:02 |
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| lardman | ruskie: no limit, you can alter it in the settings | 23:02 |
| ruskie | hmm | 23:02 |
| ruskie | yet the db doesn't change | 23:02 |
| lardman | you could probably also generate data for it, but it's in an sqlite db | 23:02 |
| ruskie | even if I'm scrolling around | 23:02 |
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| lardman | do you already have the data? | 23:03 |
| ruskie | also when I select manage maps it says I need to setup a valid map repository but that's setup | 23:03 |
| ruskie | unless I need to do something else | 23:03 |
| lardman | hmm, sounds odd, dunno sorry | 23:03 |
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| hrw | jkimball4: I sent back my n900 from DDP and the new one is on a way to me | 23:04 |
| lardman | hrw: was there a problem with the DDP one? | 23:05 |
| hrw | lardman: bad pixels | 23:06 |
| hrw | lardman: check my blog | 23:06 |
| jkimball4 | hrw: what's ddp? | 23:07 |
| Anidel | developers discount program | 23:07 |
| lardman | hrw: ok | 23:07 |
| lardman | ~ddp | 23:07 |
| infobot | somebody said ddp was the Debian Documentation Project, at http://www.debian.org/~elphick/ddp/, but Datagram Delivery Protocol, using in providing AppleTalk services | 23:07 |
| lardman | infobot: you're rubbish! | 23:08 |
| Anidel | hrw: what was wrong with yours? | 23:08 |
| jkimball4 | i bought mine from dell, but nokia has it in stock. i want to return the first n900 as a defective item under a new nokia order | 23:08 |
| hrw | infobot: ddp is also Developers Discount Program by Nokia | 23:08 |
| infobot | okay, hrw | 23:08 |
| lardman | ah, you have to talk nicely to him :) | 23:08 |
| hrw | Anidel: like I said - bad pixels | 23:08 |
| Anidel | hrw: sorry missed the line.. ah yes, I saw your post.. | 23:09 |
| hrw | I wonder will DHL work tomorrow to deliveer me package or not | 23:09 |
| Anidel | hrw: same wondering here.. today no one was home | 23:10 |
| Anidel | they should though | 23:10 |
| hrw | Anidel: I work from home | 23:11 |
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| Anidel | hrw: I don't, but this was shipped to my girlfriend's parent in Italy as I am flying there on sunday | 23:11 |
| Anidel | I should have sent it here.. anyway | 23:12 |
| hrw | ah.. | 23:12 |
| hrw | Anidel: Nokia sends stuff with 'to your hands only' | 23:12 |
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| Anidel | hrw: we'll see | 23:12 |
| Anidel | if not tomorrow, I am pretty sure they won't deliver on Sunday.. and on Monday I'll be there anyway | 23:13 |
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| hrw | ~ddp | 23:15 |
| infobot | ddp is, like, the Debian Documentation Project, at http://www.debian.org/~elphick/ddp/, but Datagram Delivery Protocol, using in providing AppleTalk services. Developers Discount Program by Nokia | 23:15 |
| GAN900 | hrw, Device Discount Program | 23:17 |
| hrw | GAN900: Disaster Developer Program too | 23:17 |
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| * GAN900 is no developer. | 23:18 | |
| lardman | swap the Disaster and Developer there, unless you've heard about my earthquake generation app ;) | 23:18 |
| hrw | infobot: no, ddp is the Debian Documentation Project, at http://www.debian.org/~elphick/ddp/ but also Datagram Delivery Protocol, using in providing AppleTalk services, also Device Discount Program by Nokia | 23:18 |
| infobot | okay, hrw | 23:18 |
| hrw | ~ddp | 23:18 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ddp is the Debian Documentation Project, at http://www.debian.org/~elphick/ddp/ but also Datagram Delivery Protocol, using in providing AppleTalk services, also Device Discount Program by Nokia | 23:18 |
| jebba | Results 1 - 3 of 3 for nokia "Developers Discount Program". hmm | 23:18 |
| hrw | feel free to rephrase it to more proper englsh | 23:18 |
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| lardman | hrw: sounds fine | 23:19 |
| hrw | jebba: what you got? I got my blog on 6th place | 23:19 |
| jebba | huh? | 23:19 |
| cpscotti | Good evening (or whatever it is wherever u are) fellas! | 23:20 |
| hrw | ~ugt | 23:20 |
| infobot | ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 23:20 |
| cpscotti | ~n900 | 23:20 |
| infobot | [n900] OMAP3430, HD camera, HSPA, Maemo 5 (Fremantle), probably Summer 2009 (or later) | 23:20 |
| Anidel | ~gan900 | 23:20 |
| hrw | Solarion: morning cpscotti | 23:20 |
| Anidel | :p | 23:21 |
| hrw | ~curse autocompletion | 23:21 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, autocompletion ! | 23:21 |
| cpscotti | good morning | 23:21 |
| cpscotti | "probably Summer 2009 (or later)" | 23:21 |
| jebba | heya | 23:21 |
| hrw | ~hrw | 23:21 |
| infobot | it has been said that hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/Poky developer | 23:21 |
| cpscotti | ha-ha! | 23:21 |
| wazd_n800 | ~wazd | 23:21 |
| hrw | infobot: forget n900 | 23:21 |
| infobot | hrw: i forgot n900 | 23:21 |
| wazd_n800 | :) | 23:21 |
| hrw | ~factinfo n900 | 23:22 |
| infobot | there's no such factoid as n900, hrw | 23:22 |
| wazd_n800 | infobot: forget infobot | 23:22 |
| infobot | i forgot infobot, wazd_n800 | 23:22 |
| hrw | ~factinfo hrw | 23:22 |
| infobot | hrw -- last modified at Tue Apr 8 14:18:21 2008 by hrw!n=hrw@ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl; it has been requested 3 times, last by hrw, 49s ago. | 23:22 |
| hrw | ;D | 23:22 |
| Anidel | cool | 23:22 |
| jebba | ~jebba | 23:23 |
| Anidel | ~factinfo jebba | 23:23 |
| jebba | hmm. | 23:23 |
| infobot | Anidel: there's no such factoid as jebba | 23:23 |
| Anidel | ~factinfo anidel | 23:23 |
| infobot | Anidel: there's no such factoid as anidel | 23:23 |
| jebba | ah i thought it was googling it and parsing something, but you register with it apparently. | 23:24 |
| wazd_n800 | ~factinfo wazd | 23:24 |
| infobot | there's no such factoid as wazd, wazd_n800 | 23:24 |
| Anidel | infobot: anidel is Aniello | 23:24 |
| infobot | Anidel: okay | 23:24 |
| Anidel | ~factinfo anidel | 23:24 |
| infobot | anidel -- created by Anidel <n=anidel@82-45-62-77.cable.ubr04.mort.blueyonder.co.uk> 2s ago. | 23:24 |
| Anidel | ~anidel | 23:24 |
| eitreach | Hmm.. A friend of mine is complaining about recieving my texts 4-5 times. Is this a known bug? | 23:24 |
| infobot | i heard anidel is Aniello | 23:24 |
| Anidel | ah ah.. | 23:24 |
| cpscotti | Hey.. am I the only one annoyed by the thousand gcompris-lang files whenever I go browse the reps? | 23:24 |
| jaem | eitreach, not sure, but it could by your carrier's fault | 23:24 |
| jebba | I'm also a city somewhere in Africa ;) | 23:24 |
| jaem | mine does stupid things like that | 23:25 |
| Anidel | infobot: anidel is Aniello Del Sorbo - open source developer, author of the port of Xournal for Maemo | 23:25 |
| infobot | ...but anidel is already something else... | 23:25 |
| Anidel | prrr | 23:25 |
| Anidel | infobot: forget anidel | 23:25 |
| eitreach | jaem, alright. I'll contact them in the morning, then. | 23:25 |
| infobot | i forgot anidel, Anidel | 23:25 |
| Anidel | infobot: anidel is Aniello Del Sorbo - open source developer, author of the port of Xournal for Maemo | 23:25 |
| infobot | okay, Anidel | 23:25 |
| cpscotti | eitreach: at the beginning I was receiving sms 4 times... | 23:25 |
| cpscotti | the same.. | 23:25 |
| Anidel | there it is | 23:25 |
| Anidel | ~anidel | 23:25 |
| infobot | [anidel] Aniello Del Sorbo - open source developer, author of the port of Xournal for Maemo | 23:25 |
| Anidel | good boy | 23:25 |
| cpscotti | (but no one complained about.. and this disappeared after some 2 days | 23:25 |
| cpscotti | ) | 23:25 |
| lardman | ~lardman | 23:25 |
| jaem | eitreach, if it is, good luck | 23:26 |
| Anidel | infobot: Xournal is a note taking application ported to Maemo by Anidel | 23:26 |
| wazd_n800 | infobot: wazd is The Greatest Prince of the Universe | 23:26 |
| infobot | okay, Anidel | 23:26 |
| infobot | okay, wazd_n800 | 23:26 |
| lardman | we should get infobot to parse maemo.org | 23:26 |
| wazd_n800 | :D | 23:26 |
| Anidel | eheh | 23:26 |
| jaem | Telus (for me) is just broken half of the time, so that's why things like that happen | 23:26 |
| wazd_n800 | infobot: n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside | 23:27 |
| infobot | okay, wazd_n800 | 23:27 |
| cpscotti | lardman: ok.. but forget about the garage part! bc if that is already totally jammed, imagine putting some bots to parse it.. | 23:27 |
| cpscotti | ~infobot | 23:28 |
| Anidel | infobot: infobot is The coolest | 23:29 |
| infobot | Anidel: okay | 23:29 |
| Anidel | ~infobot | 23:29 |
| infobot | i guess infobot is The coolest | 23:29 |
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| Anidel | eheh | 23:29 |
| wazd_n800 | ~wazd | 23:29 |
| infobot | methinks wazd is The Greatest Prince of the Universe | 23:29 |
| wazd_n800 | infobot, ah, good boy :) | 23:29 |
| infobot | aw, gee, wazd_n800 | 23:29 |
| Anidel | I am too serious | 23:30 |
| Anidel | ~anidel | 23:30 |
| infobot | rumour has it, anidel is Aniello Del Sorbo - open source developer, author of the port of Xournal for Maemo | 23:30 |
| Anidel | indeed | 23:30 |
| woglinde | ~me | 23:30 |
| lardman | I could really do with a glass of wine | 23:30 |
| nhg1 | should installing packages over a network work in Maemo5 and if so will it also resolve dependencies? | 23:31 |
| woglinde | nhg1 with apt-get yes | 23:31 |
| cpscotti | woglinde: nhg1: and thus the App. Manager also | 23:31 |
| woglinde | cpscotti I know | 23:32 |
| woglinde | because its uses apt-get | 23:32 |
| nhg1 | works behind firewalls etc? | 23:32 |
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| nhg1 | with some http_proxy? | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a way to set an alarm for an event 2 hours before? | 23:32 |
| woglinde | apt-get honors http_proxy | 23:32 |
| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, around? | 23:33 |
| bigbrovar_ | Hi guys am unable to refresh or install any application on my n900 ( which i just got today) it seems the application manager does not respect the systemwide proxy. does anyone else have this issue? and how can i file a bug? | 23:33 |
| hrw | I am afraid that I will not finish my blog post about next firmware things. Nokia Maemo team did lot of good work on fixing bugs | 23:34 |
| jkimball4 | here's a deal => http://www.generalcommunicationstore.org/servlet/the-41/Nokia-N900-Media-Tablet/Detail | 23:35 |
| jkimball4 | too good to be true probably | 23:35 |
| lardman | hrw: good to hear the latter | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Seems a leetle cheap | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | If you in fact have a credit card that covers non-delivery - then go for it | 23:36 |
| hrw | jkimball4: it is scam rather then shop | 23:36 |
| jkimball4 | hrw: i figure so.. that's why i posted mostly :) | 23:37 |
| * hardaker uploads his first packages into -devel | 23:37 | |
| hardaker | s/es/e/ | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I find it odd they claim to be UK | 23:38 |
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| lopz | heya!! | 23:39 |
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| wazd_n800 | ok, gtg, later guys | 23:40 |
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| bigbrovar_ | I am trying to file a bug on this but I dont know if it is a connectivity bug or what category would fit. if this is a bug then it would be regression | 23:43 |
| lardman | bigbrovar_: see if other apps are also affected, if not file it against the app manager | 23:43 |
| bigbrovar_ | lardman: well other apps are affected but does are known issues .. I havent seen one on the app manager before | 23:44 |
| jaem | hahaha | 23:45 |
| bigbrovar_ | lardman: its a real deal breaker not to be able to install on the N900. its a problem i never had on the N810 :( | 23:45 |
| jaem | I got on the front page of Hack a Day, and got half as many hits in one day as I have total | 23:45 |
| jaem | that's the way to do it :D | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: remember to put adwords on before doing that | 23:45 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, lol | 23:45 |
| jaem | ~680 hits overnight, which for my blog is pretty darn good | 23:46 |
| hrw | wow.. my bugzilla query reports 108 bugs closed | 23:46 |
| infobot | jaem: I think you lost me on that one | 23:46 |
| jaem | >_< | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | '... brainstorm' ? | 23:46 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, the hits graph just goes ---------------------*THUNK* | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | jaem: which one is yours? | 23:46 |
| jaem | ali1234, http://hackaday.com/2009/12/18/bluetooth-bracelet-hacked/ | 23:47 |
| jaem | they're quick! | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | i recognise that yellow and blue oled screen :) | 23:47 |
| jaem | I sent them the message at 3am ish | 23:47 |
| jaem | there's no yellow on it | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | how odd | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | i have an oled that has a yellow stripe at the top just like the bit that says "bluetooth" :) | 23:47 |
| jaem | it's almost EL-bluegreen, but it appears to be OLED, and they say it is | 23:48 |
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| jaem | ali1234, I've seen screens like that, but not this one | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | moooooooooo | 23:50 |
| * jaem moos back | 23:50 | |
| lcuk | hi jaem | 23:51 |
| jaem | lcuk, morning | 23:51 |
| jaem | I'm trying to think of good uses for this bracelet display | 23:51 |
| bigbrovar_ | is there anywhere to get official support for the N900 beside the community. I am having a real show stopper issue here and i cant even install or use the app manager | 23:51 |
| jaem | does Modest use DBus signals when a new e-mail comes in? | 23:52 |
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| jaem | bigbrovar_, you could try contacting Nokia I guess | 23:52 |
| jaem | what's the issue? | 23:52 |
| jkimball4 | weather applet is broken: you can't have -0 degrees | 23:52 |
| jaem | jkimball4, well, you can, but it's not usually used | 23:52 |
| bigbrovar_ | jaem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37713 | 23:53 |
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| jaem | I mean, 0 degrees is implicitly positive, and that's fairly arbitrary | 23:53 |
| jaem | but yes, stylistically it isn't great | 23:53 |
| jaem | bigbrovar_, I'll take a look | 23:53 |
| bigbrovar_ | jaem: thanks | 23:53 |
| jkimball4 | jaem: I think you're mistaken. zero is neither positive or negative. | 23:53 |
| dolphin | yeah | 23:54 |
| jaem | jkimball4, I realize | 23:54 |
| dolphin | depending on which direction you close from | 23:54 |
| jkimball4 | the weather applet isn't doing calculus | 23:54 |
| jaem | but when we write "0", by all normal numerical conventions we're putting an implicit positive sign in front of it | 23:54 |
| jaem | it's not technically either, but given the implicit convention, we are anyway | 23:54 |
| dolphin | yes, when it's not written | 23:55 |
| dolphin | but when it is written, then it's negative | 23:55 |
| el_zilcho | jkimball4: or is it both? :-P | 23:55 |
| jaem | bigbrovar_, I need a bit more detail | 23:55 |
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| jaem | does your school require a proxy, or is this just for privacy/security reasons? | 23:56 |
| bigbrovar_ | jaem: just let me know how i can help out | 23:56 |
| bigbrovar_ | jaem: yeah we do, port 80 is blocked so all internet traffic has to go thru the web proxy | 23:56 |
| jaem | ah, yikes | 23:56 |
| bigbrovar_ | jaem: the proxy helps us to manage our tiny bandwidth | 23:57 |
| jkimball4 | sounds like a lousy firewall to me | 23:57 |
| jaem | well, if HAM is not respecting your proxy settings, that's something to file a bug about | 23:57 |
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| bigbrovar_ | jaem: fyi app mananger works very well on the N810 | 23:57 |
| jaem | but we haven't established that | 23:57 |
| bigbrovar_ | even with the proxy | 23:57 |
| jaem | hrm | 23:57 |
| jaem | so do none of the packages refresh, then? | 23:57 |
| jaem | package lists* | 23:57 |
| bigbrovar_ | jaem: yeah non .. I can even find any application in the package list | 23:58 |
| jaem | but using apt-get works? | 23:58 |
| bigbrovar_ | jaem: would have to export http_proxy but i havent tried that | 23:58 |
| el_zilcho | yay, i finally got things at least sorta workable.... gonna reboot and hope it clears up even more | 23:58 |
| bigbrovar_ | jaem: hold on let me try | 23:58 |
| el_zilcho | rootfs 227.8M 192.8M 30.8M 86% / | 23:58 |
| jaem | bigbrovar_, would you mind trying it? Granted it's not ideal as a solution, but it would help with troubleshooting | 23:59 |
| el_zilcho | had to relocat my /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 23:59 |
| el_zilcho | it oculnd't install because it couldn't even grab the archive :) | 23:59 |
| jaem | bigbrovar_, I'll be back momentarily | 23:59 |
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