| AbstractW | Sorry, its been many, many years. | 00:00 |
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| jebba | ARCH=arm make menuconfig | 00:00 |
| jebba | ARCH=arm make rx51_defconfig | 00:00 |
| jebba | do those in reverse order that i wrote them there ;) | 00:00 |
| AbstractW | Heh, have the N900 recompile its own kernel, for added fun :) | 00:00 |
| Milo- | yes! | 00:00 |
| Milo- | We want gcc! | 00:00 |
| lcuk | maemo sdk repository | 00:01 |
| AbstractW | I have no doubt it'd take many, many hours. | 00:01 |
| lcuk | thats easy | 00:01 |
| * lcuk uses it everyday | 00:01 | |
| Milo- | looked at extras-testing and found light httpd | 00:01 |
| lcuk | apt-get install build-essential does most | 00:01 |
| AbstractW | gcc on the n900? | 00:01 |
| lcuk | hell yeah | 00:01 |
| AbstractW | sweet. | 00:01 |
| * lcuk nods | 00:01 | |
| AbstractW | It really is a full blown linux install. | 00:01 |
| Milo- | have you ever wanted to have a web-server in your pocket? | 00:01 |
| Milo- | well now it is possible! | 00:01 |
| lcuk | its got oddities | 00:01 |
| lcuk | mer is better for complete building | 00:01 |
| AbstractW | Milo-: Thats what garage.maemo.org runs on! | 00:01 |
| ifreq | i found torrent client odd on a phone but well.. :P | 00:02 |
| Milo- | my old e71 had wlan-access point application | 00:02 |
| AbstractW | torrent client on a phone, is good to abuse TMobile or ATT's network :) | 00:02 |
| Milo- | turned the internet connection from my phone service provider into a wlan access point :D | 00:02 |
| lcuk | ifreq, not odd if you consider thats where you want the media | 00:02 |
| AbstractW | I use one on my iphone, just to piss off ATT. | 00:02 |
| * ml-maemo completes the "system admin via N900" achievement | 00:02 | |
| lcuk | and not odd if its just a computer | 00:02 |
| Milo- | so now I can have wlan connection AND http-server in two pockets! | 00:02 |
| lcuk | adhoc wifi ftw | 00:02 |
| AbstractW | My iphone runs a debian torrent, 24 hours a day. | 00:03 |
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| AbstractW | And each time it fully downloads the ISO, it starts over. | 00:03 |
| AbstractW | Just because :) | 00:03 |
| pwnguin | AbstractW: so you're the reason at&t sucks in SF :P | 00:03 |
| lcuk | doesnt it stop running if you get a call? | 00:03 |
| cehteh | ap mode would be cool .. next time on the lug meeting the n900 could do the networking for the whole group | 00:03 |
| jebba | i wish, i have to prepay data and burn thru it *real* quick... | 00:03 |
| AbstractW | lcuk: Yeah, I have two buttons to pause and resume it on my home screen. | 00:03 |
| lcuk | cehteh, yeah but its good enough at adhoc | 00:04 |
| AbstractW | pwnguin: No, I'm not in SF, I'm in the Midwest :) | 00:04 |
| jebba | cehteh: needs NAT module which isn't supported by stock kernel, not even if you build the modules, unfortunately | 00:04 |
| cehteh | huh why not? | 00:04 |
| lcuk | plus, some hotels you can get on the AP and do local connections | 00:04 |
| Milo- | Could it please be friday already :( | 00:04 |
| AbstractW | I wish. | 00:04 |
| jebba | see this: http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ | 00:04 |
| Milo- | friday is the last day of school | 00:04 |
| AbstractW | Get to see the girlfriend on friday. | 00:04 |
| Milo- | and then I can start reading the developer's guide | 00:04 |
| cehteh | doesnt need nat anyways, proxy ftw | 00:04 |
| jebba | cehteh: see this, re: NAT http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/TESTS/modprobe-test.log | 00:05 |
| AbstractW | Milo-: It'll take about 10 minutes for that page to load. | 00:05 |
| jebba | ya, can proxy, not NAT, true. | 00:05 |
| Milo- | AbstractW :C | 00:05 |
| jebba | not sure what you'd run for that. Squid? heh. | 00:05 |
| Milo- | so I need to start loading the pages, today. | 00:05 |
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| AbstractW | Garage is running off your litehttpd, on a n900 :P | 00:05 |
| cehteh | jebba: i rather wonder .. nat should be supported by stock kernel | 00:05 |
| jebba | cehteh: ya, would be nice.... | 00:05 |
| Milo- | AbstractW 'just because they can'? | 00:05 |
| cehteh | AbstractW: nah its a cluster of unused n700'S | 00:06 |
| AbstractW | Milo-: No, because they want to piss off the community. | 00:06 |
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| Milo- | :D | 00:06 |
| AbstractW | Stifle application development. | 00:06 |
| Milo- | so that is 'because they can' | 00:06 |
| AbstractW | :P | 00:06 |
| Milo- | well, obviously, can't. | 00:06 |
| jon1012 | Milo-: "flashlight" in extras-devel no ? | 00:06 |
| cehteh | yes | 00:07 |
| Milo- | jon1012 ah, devel | 00:07 |
| AbstractW | I wish my N900 would ship..... >< | 00:07 |
| Milo- | don't have devel repository added | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | liqtorch in testing is lazy | 00:07 |
| lcuk | but works on n8x0 too | 00:07 |
| Milo- | lcuk but liqtorch uses screen, not camera led | 00:07 |
| Milo- | devel seems like a bad place to download stuff from | 00:07 |
| lcuk | stuff thats in development | 00:07 |
| lcuk | Milo-, yeah | 00:07 |
| Milo- | yes | 00:08 |
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| Milo- | but they seem to go to rootfs | 00:08 |
| lcuk | it uses screen, because the ui for the leds isnt right | 00:08 |
| Milo- | which is bad mkay | 00:08 |
| lcuk | just how would you handle it | 00:08 |
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| Milo- | don't care | 00:08 |
| Milo- | :P | 00:08 |
| Milo- | users don't matter | 00:08 |
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| AbstractW | needs more ruby on rails running on n900 :) | 00:08 |
| pwnguin | lcuk: maybe prevent the camera app from running on cover sliding | 00:09 |
| * jon1012 got turbogears 2 apps working on its n900 :D | 00:09 | |
| lcuk | o_O really | 00:09 |
| lcuk | pwnguin, but what if i want the camera | 00:09 |
| pupnik | what? | 00:09 |
| pupnik | jon1012: what iz dat | 00:10 |
| pwnguin | lcuk: perhaps disable it only while the "flashlight app" is running | 00:10 |
| lcuk | pwnguin, i want torches on when recording video | 00:10 |
| pwnguin | lcuk: you're nuts | 00:10 |
| lcuk | or when setting up for other shots | 00:10 |
| pwnguin | and the status quo is no better | 00:10 |
| jon1012 | pupnik: python web framework :) (like ruby on rails but on python and 100x time better ;)) | 00:10 |
| pwnguin | the LEDs can be driven at flash for a half second tops | 00:11 |
| pupnik | are they brighter than the screen? | 00:11 |
| pupnik | terminal works fine for flashlight here | 00:11 |
| pwnguin | the flash is mega bright | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | hence pwnguin why i have an app in extras for a torch that works and isnt based on leds | 00:12 |
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| pwnguin | lcuk: im calling liqtorch the status quo | 00:12 |
| lcuk | its a complex problem to use the leds for most cases | 00:12 |
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| pwnguin | you could modify the camera app to offer a flashlight | 00:13 |
| lcuk | but that problem can be solved with 1 torch icon within the camera app itself | 00:13 |
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| lcuk | yes | 00:13 |
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| * pwnguin checks for source availablity of camera app | 00:13 | |
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| Arkenoi | any ideas what can i purge on / filesystem? | 00:15 |
| AbstractW | Arkenoi: the always helpful rm -rf / :) | 00:15 |
| AbstractW | purge! :P | 00:15 |
| lcuk | theres some sort of usr folder | 00:15 |
| lcuk | that doesnt do anything, just get rid of it | 00:15 |
| pwnguin | is conffiles: a standard debian control field? | 00:15 |
| AbstractW | Oh, you meant purge files that wouldn't affect the system :) | 00:16 |
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| Arkenoi | got 95% full. for no apparent reason - just yesterday it was just 80% | 00:16 |
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| Milo- | readline is probably not supported for maemo? | 00:26 |
| Milo- | as in readline/readline.h | 00:26 |
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| lcuk | Milo-, which version :) | 00:29 |
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| lcuk | with maemo, its generally not "blah is not supported" its "has anyone ported it yet" | 00:29 |
| Milo- | well, I only talk about maemo5 | 00:30 |
| Milo- | and latest readline is from may 2008 | 00:30 |
| lcuk | so was i, libreadline 4 and 5 are available | 00:30 |
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| Milo- | BUGS | 00:31 |
| Milo- | It's too big and too slow. | 00:31 |
| Milo- | love that comment | 00:31 |
| Milo- | actually I was more wondering if ash supported it | 00:31 |
| Milo- | basic IO in bash seems to come directly from readline.h | 00:32 |
| lcuk | get a device and find otu | 00:32 |
| Milo- | I got one | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | or build the system you need | 00:32 |
| Arkenoi | well, so what are primary candidates for freeing disk space on / ? | 00:32 |
| * lcuk beds anyway | 00:32 | |
| Milo- | but all the default bindings are missing | 00:32 |
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| Milo- | Arkenoi reboot takes off some caches | 00:32 |
| Milo- | no idea why some caches are stored in / but never the less. | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | Arkenoi: do you use apt-get? | 00:34 |
| Milo- | crashanddie isn't the gui for software installations just a frontend to apt? | 00:35 |
| crashanddie | no | 00:35 |
| Milo- | oh | 00:35 |
| crashanddie | when you use command line apt-get, it doesn't remove the .debs it downloaded | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | so you need to clean out /var/apt/cache | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | or something like that | 00:36 |
| Milo- | btw, I want to keep the device's langauge 'English', but the date settings the way we Finns love to see the date, but when I change device to English, it won't let me touch the date-setting | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | file a bug | 00:36 |
| Milo- | ahh, /var/ isn't its own partition | 00:37 |
| Milo- | I expected it to be | 00:37 |
| granden | Is there any app, for screen recording? | 00:37 |
| AbstractW | granden: VNC | 00:38 |
| granden | And then record on my computer? | 00:38 |
| granden | Or what | 00:39 |
| AbstractW | granden: VNC server on the N900, then VNC client on any machine that you can use to record. | 00:39 |
| granden | Hmm | 00:39 |
| AbstractW | May not get you fluid video, but it'll be close. | 00:39 |
| lcuk | vnc2swf is something to mention here | 00:39 |
| Milo- | crashanddie not sure if it's a bug though | 00:40 |
| crashanddie | Milo-: it's an enhancement request | 00:40 |
| Milo- | the date format isn't allowed to be changed in any language | 00:40 |
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| Milo- | whoops, I always press 'skip' accidentally when it prompts my pin-code :P | 00:41 |
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| jon1012 | what is the command name for the phone app ? | 00:42 |
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| jon1012 | (I want to launch a call from api or command call) | 00:42 |
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| Milo- | you use dbus to launch it | 00:42 |
| Milo- | wiki user:jebba | 00:42 |
| jon1012 | is there an example ? | 00:42 |
| Milo- | yes | 00:42 |
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| Milo- | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba under dbus | 00:43 |
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| Arkenoi | crashanddie, sometimes | 00:44 |
| jon1012 | great thanks | 00:44 |
| crashanddie | Arkenoi: then clean up your /var/apt/cache folder -- it contains old .deb files | 00:44 |
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| pupnik | it feels so good to browse web in links /console. just the data... | 00:46 |
| Corsac | Khertan: did you try to use freeplayer from your n900? | 00:50 |
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| Milo- | tekojo is going to hold a maemo+Qt course, but maemo.org only talks aboug gtk :/ | 00:53 |
| acidjazz | hai | 00:54 |
| jon1012 | strange, when I try to call it from python I get "dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "CreateWith" with signature "s" on interface "com.nokia.csd.Call" doesn't exist" | 00:54 |
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| jon1012 | nevermind, found out :) | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | timeless, whats your favorite app on the n900 so far (not work related tho :p) | 01:06 |
| ifreq | isnt vim top app for ages? :/ | 01:07 |
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| lcuk | possibly is | 01:08 |
| ifreq | <3 | 01:08 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i don't use many apps... | 01:08 |
| lcuk | why, whats missing, what would you use if it was there? | 01:08 |
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| ifreq | anyone remember this https://synthesize.us/Maemo_themes/LCARS_complete from 770/possib 810 too? | 01:09 |
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| jon1012 | updated http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control with a python example | 01:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: thing is... i don't need much | 01:10 |
| Proteous | complete google voice integration | 01:10 |
| Proteous | seamless I should say | 01:10 |
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| lcuk | i would personally like to use translation services to at least try talking with people from other countries live | 01:12 |
| lcuk | timeless, bah! then | 01:12 |
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| Laiska | Hmmm, have you guys transferred files (music / video) from PC to N900 via scp? First time I transferred music to ~/MyDocs/.music it seemed that the media player was unable to find the files..and now it works like a charm | 01:13 |
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| Laiska | sunspots or the position of the moon or is there a real trick to this? | 01:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | Laiska: tracker takes time before it finds stuff | 01:14 |
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| Laiska | timeless_mbp: Hmm okay, any way to force it (besides reboot)? | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | and until it finds stuff, the media player won't show it | 01:15 |
| ifreq | Laiska: your name really suits u | 01:15 |
| ifreq | :) | 01:15 |
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| ifreq | think you chose it on purpose | 01:15 |
| ifreq | *g* | 01:15 |
| Laiska | ifreq: Aight :) | 01:16 |
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| ifreq | anyways think there was some cmd line option to reindex (having hard time to find it atm) | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | best quote ever | 01:17 |
| Laiska | Oh and a brainfart in my comment, s/.music/.sounds | 01:17 |
| ifreq | crashanddie: aye :) missing the right search words atm .. and well 1:20 AM | 01:18 |
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| crashanddie | Company lawyer storms out of the CTO office, yelling: "This is the only god damn software company where people don't know what a frigging EULA is" | 01:18 |
| Anidel | hi guys | 01:18 |
| MuJ | eep | 01:18 |
| Anidel | is here a GTK expert? | 01:18 |
| Anidel | that knows about GTK UI Manager? | 01:19 |
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| Laiska | ifreq: Ok, google I must. Not a big problem per se, but when uploading music in ahurry it would be apprciated if they were usable right away | 01:20 |
| ifreq | Laiska: Run tracker-processes -r as user in an xterm if youre in a hurry | 01:20 |
| ifreq | thats the cmd line option :P | 01:20 |
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| Creteil | hi all | 01:20 |
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| Laiska | cheers mate | 01:20 |
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| ifreq | dunno how often indexing is done without. tho i dont need instant access to new music :) | 01:21 |
| ifreq | np | 01:21 |
| Creteil | I'm running openvpn + openvpn-gui under my N900, all seem to work in terms of connections, btw I can't disconnect ... any idea ? | 01:21 |
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| Laiska | mord: narf | 01:22 |
| Laiska | :D | 01:22 |
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| johnsu01 | hm, what's openvpn-gui? | 01:24 |
| mord | hrmhrm | 01:24 |
| johnsu01 | openvpn worked fine from the shell for me but the applet package didn't seem to do anything | 01:24 |
| range | johnsu01: You can reach the applet via the dropdown menu you can reach when touching the status area (where the battery is). | 01:25 |
| Creteil | johnsu01: on my side the applet work for connecting, but the disconnect doesn't work (I have to killall openvpn) ... | 01:25 |
| range | And here both work :) | 01:26 |
| johnsu01 | range: Yeah, the applet didn't add anything there for me. Maybe I need to restart. | 01:26 |
| jon1012 | what is the default lock code on n900 ? | 01:26 |
| jon1012 | I want to activate lock but it asks me the current lock code | 01:26 |
| Creteil | range: can you give me the rights you have to the /etc/openvpn directory (wherever you put your vpn configs) ... | 01:26 |
| range | 12345 as with most nokias. | 01:26 |
| jon1012 | thanks | 01:27 |
| jon1012 | (it's not in the printed docs unfortunately) | 01:27 |
| Creteil | range: can you give me the rights you have to the /etc/openvpn directory (wherever you put your vpn configs) ... | 01:27 |
| range | root:root 755 | 01:28 |
| jon1012 | Creteil: I see you're in france, want to beta test an app for paris n900 owners ? | 01:28 |
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| wolf^ | should qt applications do libosso initialization and cleanup? | 01:29 |
| Creteil | jon1012: depending on what the application do, why not ? | 01:29 |
| jon1012 | Creteil: it's basically the mobile version of http://www.parisenvies.com a site about bars and restaurants :) | 01:29 |
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| jon1012 | that letsyou ask for example "find me a japanese restaurant near here with a romantic ambiance that is not too expensive" | 01:30 |
| jon1012 | :) | 01:30 |
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| Creteil | jon1012: bof ... je suis casannier :-) | 01:31 |
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| range | Is there already a bug report open regarding the E-Mail client's use of localized "Re:" versions? | 01:31 |
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| wolf^ | range, yes, and it's reported to be fixed | 01:32 |
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| Creteil | range: is there a way to see a debug output of openvpn-applet to see why it doesn't disconnect my vpn's ? | 01:32 |
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| range | wolf^: Do you have a bug number? | 01:32 |
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| range | Creteil: Yes. Under "manage connections" you can test connections. | 01:32 |
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| wolf^ | range, 6541 | 01:33 |
| range | wolf^: Thanks. | 01:33 |
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| range | Saves me opening one (after I got my server to work with the mail client) :) | 01:35 |
| Creteil | range: this test show me I can connect (I already know that) btw I try to show why when I tap to disconnect, this doesn't disconnect anything at all ... | 01:35 |
| range | Ah. Hmm, no idea. | 01:35 |
| range | Install and start syslogd? | 01:35 |
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| Creteil | range: apt-get install syslogd ??? | 01:36 |
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| range | Or sysklogd, I only read about that (and you should only start it for debugging, as /var/log seems to be on the root fs, if I am not mistaken). | 01:37 |
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| Creteil | range: ok | 01:40 |
| Creteil | range: so, I suppose by default under maemo syslogd doesn't autostart on boot ? | 01:41 |
| range | As said, I didn't use it yet, but I guess that openvpn would log there. | 01:41 |
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| Creteil | range: look like openvpn-applet doesn't support spaces or specials characters in name of .ovpn file like : /var/run/openvpn.Mikli Events (Old).pid | 01:44 |
| Creteil | range: do you know where I can get the 'less' console command (any package for the N900) ??? | 01:46 |
| range | No. | 01:46 |
| Creteil | range: ok | 01:46 |
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| Creteil | range: btw do you think most packages for N810 can run under N900 ? | 01:51 |
| GAN900 | Depends | 01:51 |
| GAN900 | Creteil, it's probably is the SKD tools repo. | 01:51 |
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| range | Creteil: Just because I gave you one answer does not mean that I know the answer to all of your questions :) | 01:53 |
| Creteil | range: yes, I know that :-) | 01:54 |
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| user__ | hmm | 02:11 |
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| Lynoure | Gadgetoid_n900: hmm? | 02:12 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | microB is currently in offline mode and cannot browse the web | 02:12 |
| Lynoure | Gadgetoid_n900: is it? | 02:12 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | uncheck "work offline" in the file menu... | 02:12 |
| Lynoure | Gadgetoid_n900: I think I have gotten that once randomly, then closing the browsel and opening new one helped | 02:13 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | Methinks that dialogue wants updating | 02:13 |
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| jon1012 | what is the good way of getting the current theme icons ? | 02:13 |
| jon1012 | like the phone in the contact app ? | 02:14 |
| jon1012 | for my app buttons | 02:14 |
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| Gadgetoid_n900 | just watched avatar in 3d.... long film is long | 02:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | GAN900: ping | 02:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: ping | 02:22 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | ahhhh sleeoytime | 02:23 |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, pong? | 02:29 |
| Flandry | are the icons in maemo packages really 26x26? | 02:29 |
| Flandry | *maemo5 | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 02:30 |
| timeless_mbp | 48x48 | 02:30 |
| timeless_mbp | surely that's documented somewhere | 02:30 |
| Flandry | ok i'll update the wiki | 02:30 |
| Flandry | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging | 02:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | careful | 02:30 |
| timeless_mbp | for maemo4 it was 26x26 | 02:30 |
| Flandry | well that's what i used before, but that page is wrong | 02:30 |
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| Flandry | will note that | 02:30 |
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| Flandry | seems that Maemo_packaging should be for current release, no? | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't like wikis :) | 02:31 |
| Flandry | beats nothing i guess | 02:32 |
| jon1012 | (mmh... there is still a big need for info on programming with pymaemo to have apps that use all the potential of n900...) | 02:32 |
| jon1012 | (I've found how to place calls, show notifications (simple and multiline), have buttons with native icons and so on... but it was documented very badly :() | 02:33 |
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| jon1012 | (nearly no docs for all that) | 02:33 |
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| frals | feel free to add it to the wiki ;) | 02:36 |
| jon1012 | yup I'll doo | 02:36 |
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| Hydroxide | Stskeeps: follow-up on my GPS issue: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7057 and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37256 - like those commenters, I was also able to solve the problem by switching to google's SUPL server | 02:39 |
| povbot | Bug 7057: supl.nokia.com not working for Networking positioning on T-Mobile USA | 02:39 |
| jon1012 | going to sleep, good night everybody | 02:39 |
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| cehteh | cool to tell google always where you are .. i have already concerns with nokia but uhm | 02:40 |
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| Hydroxide | cehteh: well, go ahead nokia, fix your SUPL server or work with T-Mobile if they're the problem :) (etc etc) | 02:40 |
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| Hydroxide | cehteh: hopefully the bug and thread will produce a useful result | 02:41 |
| cehteh | Hydroxide: actually i want reasnonable standalong gps :/ | 02:41 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: yeah, that's hard to obtain in a cell chip | 02:41 |
| cehteh | might become a dealbreaker for me | 02:42 |
| nezb | has anyone here tried to buy an extended warranty from Nokia only to be told you can't since it is after purchase? | 02:42 |
| cehteh | whats extended? | 02:42 |
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| nezb | they want me to return the N900 and buy a new one just to get the extra year warranty for $50 more | 02:42 |
| n900ev11 | hmm | 02:42 |
| cehteh | usa? :) | 02:42 |
| nezb | USA .. | 02:43 |
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| Flandry | oh that's funny: XB-Maemo-Icon-26 is still the valid field name, even though the icon is 48 pix now | 02:43 |
| cehteh | well you get the n900 dirt cheap | 02:43 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: you know, I don't believe the SUPL server actually learns your location. or at least not mandatorily. I think it depends on which location mechanism you use | 02:43 |
| nezb | "dirt cheap" - hardly | 02:43 |
| cehteh | here in europe 2 years are by law anyways | 02:43 |
| nezb | cehteh: what does that have to do with it anyway? | 02:43 |
| Hydroxide | nezb: you should see what your credit card offers... many credit cards will give you an extra year of warranty when the manufacturer's warranty is not more than a year | 02:44 |
| cehteh | 600Euros are about 850dollars or what? | 02:44 |
| nezb | Hydroxide: It was a regular VISA card so no :( | 02:44 |
| n900ev11 | i am having problems bringing up wlan0 when cell data is up. i have ifconfiged- but cannot find iwconfig/wpa_suppolicant toauth | 02:44 |
| nezb | cehteh: oh wow, that sucks :\ mine was USD$500 | 02:44 |
| pupnik | Do not use Sprint | 02:44 |
| n900ev11 | thoughts? | 02:44 |
| Hydroxide | nezb: "regular"? | 02:44 |
| Hydroxide | nezb: you mean a debit card? | 02:44 |
| cehteh | now you see europeans pay premium for customer laws | 02:44 |
| n900ev11 | ceht: some of europe | 02:45 |
| nezb | Hydroxide: no just a credit card, but there's no "extras" like that attached to it | 02:45 |
| pupnik | and for taxes on every economic activty - 300 percent gas tax for e.g. | 02:45 |
| cehteh | yeah i dont know if its the same throughout europe | 02:45 |
| nezb | cehteh: :\ | 02:45 |
| n900ev11 | ceh: 12 mo in uk | 02:45 |
| wazd_n800 | ~seen VDVsx | 02:45 |
| infobot | vdvsx <n=Valerio@Maemo/community/council/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 2h 1m 34s ago, saying: 'jeremiah, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36312'. | 02:45 |
| nezb | 12 month warranty is rather short... | 02:45 |
| Hydroxide | nezb: they don't advertise them very much - you have to look at the guide to benefits that comes with your card, or ask them to send it to you again if you've lost it | 02:46 |
| cehteh | in germany you have 2 years and your dealer is rasponsible, not the manufacturer .. just send it back, he even has to cover all shipping fares | 02:46 |
| nezb | Hydroxide: I will call them and ask | 02:46 |
| n900ev11 | pup 300? where! I want some :/ | 02:46 |
| wazd_n800 | nezb: DDP devices have 1w warranty ;) | 02:46 |
| nezb | Hydroxide: should have used an AMEX card instead of VISA | 02:46 |
| Hydroxide | nezb: mine is a mastercard and it offers this... I believe many visa cards offer it too | 02:46 |
| n900ev11 | anyhone tethered wife? | 02:46 |
| nezb | wazd_n800: ddp? | 02:46 |
| Hydroxide | nezb: it depends | 02:46 |
| n900ev11 | wifi | 02:46 |
| wazd_n800 | nezb: developer device program | 02:47 |
| Hydroxide | nezb: generally ones that call themselves "platinum" or "world" or similar | 02:47 |
| nezb | wazd_n800: but aren't those devices special? | 02:47 |
| wazd_n800 | nezb: they are usually broken, otherwise no | 02:48 |
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| nezb | Hydroxide: I just think it is strange Nokia refuses to sell it to me after-the-fact | 02:48 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: you should look into the difference between ACWP and AGNSS... from the little info I can find on wiki.maemo.org it looks like one of them probably doesn't involve the SUPL server learning your website and the other one does | 02:48 |
| Hydroxide | nezb: many extended warranties are like that. not just nokia's. others have a time period after the purchase where you can add the warranty | 02:49 |
| Hydroxide | nezb: at least you were offered it - I live in one of the two US states where they don't offer it at all | 02:49 |
| Hydroxide | nezb: so I'm glad for my credit card benefit | 02:49 |
| n900ev11 | argh | 02:49 |
| nezb | Hydroxide: where do they not offer _any_ warranty? | 02:49 |
| cehteh | Hydroxide: learning my website? | 02:49 |
| Hydroxide | nezb: no, they have the standard 12mo one | 02:49 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: are you the wiki master? | 02:49 |
| cehteh | eh? | 02:50 |
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| cehteh | what wiki master? :) | 02:50 |
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| Hydroxide | cehteh: oh, I made a typo | 02:50 |
| n900ev11 | what software deals with network interface config? | 02:50 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: "learning your website" should have been "learning your location". makes sense now? :) | 02:50 |
| cehteh | yes | 02:50 |
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| n900ev11 | i am having problems bringing up wlan0 when cell data is up. i have ifconfiged- but cannot find iwconfig/wpa_suppolicant toauth | 02:50 |
| nezb | n900ev11: /sbin/iwconfig? | 02:51 |
| n900ev11 | nezb: that would be too easy. | 02:51 |
| cehteh | well there is a lot things which can be inferred even if not supplying the location information directly | 02:51 |
| n900ev11 | oh - pathological | 02:51 |
| n900ev11 | path | 02:51 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: not sure. if all it's doing is sending you the current GPS ephemeris to make it quicker to lock onto the satellites, that doesn't tell much | 02:51 |
| cehteh | and did anyone of you did a tcpdump on a AGPS request? | 02:52 |
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| nezb | Hydroxide: just called VISA, you were right, thanks :) | 02:52 |
| cehteh | it gets your current ip, provider, online time .. if its http it might include cookies and other supplemental data | 02:52 |
| n900ev11 | nezb: nope | 02:52 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: that's what I would expect, yeah. and it's not http | 02:53 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: and not via the browser either | 02:53 |
| odin_ | how are bluetooth keyboard keymappings setup ? | 02:53 |
| cehteh | IMEI, gps serial number, ... whatever | 02:53 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: the specs for the protocol are public if you want to look | 02:53 |
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| Hydroxide | cehteh: and there's a reasonable chance that the relevant bit of nokia/maemo source code is available - not sure exactly | 02:54 |
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| cehteh | iirc thats exactly the stuff which is not open | 02:54 |
| cehteh | i didnt checked yet .. i dont have a device either | 02:55 |
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| Hydroxide | ah | 02:55 |
| odin_ | generic-bluetooth 0005:0000:0000.0002: input: BLUETOOTH HID v0.00 Keyboard [VKB Keyboard] on 34:7E:39:5B:A4:61 | 02:55 |
| cehteh | well a tcpdump should give some info too | 02:55 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: not if it uses SSL as it might. but, as I said, the protocol is public | 02:56 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: I believe it's SUPL 1.0. (if not, it's a newer version of SUPL) | 02:57 |
| Hydroxide | cehteh: the open mobile alliance has pdfs) | 02:57 |
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| Hydroxide | s/)// | 02:57 |
| infobot | Hydroxide meant: cehteh: the open mobile alliance has pdfs | 02:57 |
| Hydroxide | heh | 02:57 |
| cehteh | hehe | 02:57 |
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| n900evil | are there timeshared n900s? | 02:58 |
| odin_ | hmm... does bluetooth keyboard + WLAN work well? since I fired up my keyboard the WLAN now has a TCP SendQ | 02:58 |
| n900evil | as in pubic ones? | 02:58 |
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| Hydroxide | n900evil: I think you're missing a very relevant "l" :) | 03:00 |
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| odin_ | yes my WLAN ssh connect into N900 definately stops/stutters when my Bluetooth wireless keyboard is turned on | 03:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | xchat over 3g - the phone gets noticably warm | 03:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Admittedly, my ambient temp is 7C, but still. | 03:04 |
| simula | heh | 03:04 |
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| luke-jr_ | SpeedEvil: with Linux or with Maemo? | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | linux | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm currently just trying to convince the n900 to bring up both interfaces | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | wlan0 and phone | 03:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | then ssh -D will do for the moment | 03:09 |
| Arkenoi | does irreco launch lircd authmatically on your phones? i have to do that via xterm, quite annoying | 03:09 |
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| luke-jr_ | SpeedEvil: is 3G ppp? | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:12 |
| luke-jr_ | can you run dual ppp sessions? :D | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | well - I don't care | 03:12 |
| luke-jr_ | ssh n900 pppd ... | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | as I understand it yes | 03:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | but not that way probably | 03:12 |
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| odin_ | ah where can I get "evtest" compiled for N900 ? | 03:15 |
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| odin_ | yes linux support multiple PPP connections at the same time, now if the firmware might accidentally interfere with a connection it doesn't manage/know about, is another matter (maybe even a bug) | 03:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | odin_: that's a sligtly different matter to the 3g interface doing it. | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: as I understand it, it does, but a process needs to multiplex between these. | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | This may or may not be the phonet device | 03:17 |
| odin_ | oh you mean "Bonding" ? as in MPPP ? | 03:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 03:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean connections to multiple APNs over the same 3G hardware | 03:17 |
| odin_ | ah yes that requires input from hardware support to do it | 03:18 |
| odin_ | I am lucky at the moment, since N900 doesn't support WAP or MMS then there is only Internet Access left | 03:19 |
| odin_ | ah.. why you you think "a process needs to multiple betwee these." ?? | 03:20 |
| odin_ | the hardware/driver needs to provide a multiplexing transport, this might be achieved on seperate devices /dev/foo0 /dev/foo1 etc... or might be achieved by one device but with a unique instance when it is opened /dev/foo | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: because there are for the phone interface lowest levels - several modes | 03:21 |
| pupnik | my provider (tschibo/o2) in germany wont let me dial or use internet | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: you can for example use 'at' commands to dial and do stuff - but this means that you can't get call notifications inside gprs | 03:21 |
| odin_ | but the pppd and ppp stack of linux does not need to do anything special, its a device driver/capability issue | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: you need to use the channel functionality of the underlying hardware - to seperate out command and data. | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: and the same functionality enables multiple apns at once - as I understand it. | 03:22 |
| pupnik | wish i could turn the phone off | 03:22 |
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| odin_ | I don't know what modem unit is in the N900, but some standalone GSM modules with serial/AT interface provide a way of multiplexing AT command/response and GPRS data | 03:23 |
| odin_ | but I have never heard of one that can multiple multuple streams of GPRS data (which is what u ask originally) | 03:23 |
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| ds3 | CMUX | 03:23 |
| odin_ | s/that can multiple multuple streams/that can multiplex multiple streams/ | 03:24 |
| infobot | odin_ meant: but I have never heard of one that can multiplex multiple streams of GPRS data (which is what u ask originally) | 03:24 |
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| pupnik | can media player play files on mmc1? appears t ignore card | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | actually,it's not. | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I originally asked forhow to bring upwifi interface when phone was active. | 03:27 |
| odin_ | pupnik, mine can find/play from MMC bit I have them in a directory /media/mmc1/Music/ | 03:27 |
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| odin_ | pupnik, I never thought the name "Music" was significant and I always uploaded via USB Storage controller (do I guess it auto-indexes) | 03:28 |
| odin_ | SpeedEvil, but which "default route" do you want it to take ? yes I think the hardware can achieve it, but for what purpose? | 03:29 |
| odin_ | SpeedEvil, the only issue is the "default route" and possible a set of IP address+netmask list of "policy routing overrides" for destination IPs you want to not take the default route | 03:30 |
| odin_ | SpeedEvil, obviously directly attached networks always do the correct thing | 03:31 |
| odin_ | SpeedEvil, the policy routing stuff needs to have been enabled in the kernel and is configurable with "/bin/ip" from a normal linux box | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: I simply - for the moment - want 10.* over wifi - and * over 3g | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | this is actually what I have setup at the moment - but the wifi encryption is not setup - so it's not working | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | then ssh -D on the phone to setup a socks proxy | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I have ifconfig up'd the interface - but lack iwconfig or wpa_supplicant to bring up WAP | 03:34 |
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| odin_ | take a look at: /etc/udhcpc/libicd_network_ipv4.script | 03:35 |
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| odin_ | get the default route for wlan to be "metric 1" | 03:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | the issue isn't the routing | 03:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's simply that the interface is not bringing up WAP | 03:36 |
| odin_ | no but the issue _WILL_BE_ | 03:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | no, it's not, there is no routing issue | 03:36 |
| odin_ | until you have the wlan0 always adding a default route with metric 1, there is no point working on getting GPRS up as well | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ssh -D on the phone - setup a socks proxy. | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | configure pidgin and firefox to point to that socks proxy | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | job done | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | If both interfaces are up, and the route to the localnet points to wifi - as it does | 03:37 |
| odin_ | ok what happens when the GPRC iface goes down ? | 03:37 |
| odin_ | ah damn.. you don't have the default route the wlan setup again, you loose it | 03:38 |
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| odin_ | *GPRS | 03:38 |
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| odin_ | the idea is simply to provide your preference to priority for defautl route, (you want it to be GPRS when up, and I presume WLAN when WLAN is up but GPRS is down, etc..) | 03:39 |
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| n900evil | route is irre | 03:39 |
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| n900evil | levant if both interfaces are not up | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | wacky | 03:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | my DSL connection - this one - has ~120s of delay | 03:41 |
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| odin_ | not sure Im fully understanding you comments from n900evil | 03:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | n900evil: = me. | 03:41 |
| * Arkenoi tries to re-route incoming cellular calls to sip when it is available. can cut roaming costs to effective zero if it works.. | 03:41 | |
| SpeedEvil | To recap. | 03:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have currently set the routes and brought up wlan0 manually - if I could get WAP logged in - this would be a simple case of running ssh -D on the phone to setup a SOCKS proxy server, and it just works. | 03:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yes, routes are of course important to do it 'properly' - but the phone will not bring up both interfaces at once - by default - so that's a bit irrelevant. | 03:43 |
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| odin_ | "icd" just need to be improved | 03:46 |
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| odin_ | check out.... /etc/udhcpc/default.bound for "route del default" .. this will kill your GPRS thats running | 03:49 |
| odin_ | and /etc/gprs/icd-gprs-up.sh for I guess GPRS stuff | 03:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | that looks relevant. | 03:54 |
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| * SpeedEvil wishes sshing back into the phone over gprs was plausible | 03:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | sorry I'm nto being as clear as i might be tonight, and thanks for the help | 03:56 |
| odin_ | SpeedEvil, no need to apologise | 04:01 |
| odin_ | does anyone have SDK installed and running? can they try to compile: http://beagleboard.googlecode.com/files/evtest.c please | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: cheesy alternative | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: the records are 16 bytes long | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: hexdump | 04:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | and yes, it's less useful for some things | 04:02 |
| odin_ | actually that link is v1.23 and I see 1.25 is around | 04:02 |
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| odin_ | trying to map my Bluetooth keyboard, the iTech laser thing, as a number of keys do not work | 04:03 |
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| odin_ | maybe I check the CDROM that came with it lols | 04:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | How are you setting up bt? | 04:07 |
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| odin_ | setting up? | 04:08 |
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| odin_ | I switched it on... activated pairing... N900 did its thing, offered a random code... I typed code into keyboard.... paired... now it half works as expected, I switch it on and letters/numbers work | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | What steps are needed to setup a bt keyboard - I diddn't see anything obvious - and hte 'bluemaemo' thing or whatever its name was installed - and. | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | diddn't work when I tried it like that. | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe I need to retry. | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | batteries may have been dead | 04:10 |
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| odin_ | I agree with someone post, the audio jack of on the wrong side of the device, it should be on left side (since headphones are wired up that way too) | 04:11 |
| Arkenoi | how much does iTech keyboard cost? i thinked about buying one, but it is hard to find.. | 04:12 |
| odin_ | also to fix this issue about host-mode-usb, why don't we petition to have a *additional* USB-Mini-B connector on the next model | 04:13 |
| odin_ | Arkenoi, I think I paid around $129 | 04:14 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: personally, I want usb-over-headphone-connector | 04:14 |
| odin_ | surely a mobile computer (as opposed to a "smart phone") MUST have a host-mode USB port, so just keep the existing USB-Micro-A connectors for OTG and charging and provide an additional and independant connector for host-mode (which is capable of running a memory stick, 100mA max or something) | 04:15 |
| Arkenoi | odin: is it handy? having *no* tactile feedback must suck. but it looks incredibly cool ;-) | 04:16 |
| odin_ | Arkenoi, only had it a few days, not had time to play with it, main focus is setting it up propertly (so all punct/control keys works correctly) | 04:17 |
| * odin_ wonders if you are allowed to take a laser device onto an airplane ? | 04:17 | |
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| odin_ | the issue I am seeing at the moment, is when I switch it on, my SSH session to the N900 starts to degrade, to the point of TCP retries and stuff | 04:18 |
| odin_ | so my concerns are, if I use BT VKB will I loose WLAN (which kind of defeats part of the point of the setup) | 04:18 |
| odin_ | Arkenoi, it does a key click sound, and I want to sort out the "debounce" problem, maybe turning down the sensitity will fix it, but it appears too easy to double press something when trying to type normally | 04:20 |
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| * Arkenoi thinks on iTech keyboard + 3m pocket projector combo ;-) | 04:22 | |
| odin_ | hmmm... but no host-mode-usb to USB displays+ BT mouse :( | 04:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | odin_: what if you turn off powersave | 04:23 |
| shiznebit | anyone know how you can completely screwed an omap processor | 04:24 |
| odin_ | I'd really like a netbook sized LCD on USB (with self-power option), the LCD must be 1024 or 1280 (i.e. better then N900 as-is) | 04:24 |
| shiznebit | to the point where it completely sucks | 04:24 |
| odin_ | ok some keys just dont plan work on keyboard! Q W A (maybe its setup for NL ?) | 04:25 |
| lcuk | odin_, just buy a netbook | 04:25 |
| shiznebit | odin i got a touchbook | 04:25 |
| odin_ | lcuk, no I dont want to always carry around a netbook | 04:25 |
| odin_ | lcuk, I just want to carry around the bits I need at the time or just a phone at other times | 04:25 |
| shiznebit | odin_, http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/ | 04:26 |
| shiznebit | im selling mine for $200 | 04:26 |
| Macer | odin_: i usually carry my bt keyboard and my phone.. but i have a G1 | 04:26 |
| Macer | no god office apps | 04:27 |
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| xorAxAx | Macer: which keyboard do you have? | 04:29 |
| odin_ | shiznebit, nice idea... really need 1280xwhatever for something that size | 04:29 |
| Macer | nokia su8w | 04:30 |
| Macer | god/good | 04:30 |
| Macer | heh | 04:30 |
| Macer | xorAxAx: used to use it with my n810 a ton... going to get an n900 sooner or later | 04:30 |
| shiznebit | odin_, well its 1024 | 04:30 |
| xorAxAx | Macer: i mean the bt kb | 04:31 |
| Macer | i said | 04:31 |
| Macer | a nokia su8w | 04:31 |
| Macer | it's a nokia folding portable bt keyboard | 04:32 |
| odin_ | yeah this keyboard isn't usable as-is not all keys are mapped | 04:32 |
| Macer | heh. well. the su8w works for the most part | 04:33 |
| Macer | kind of odd on the G1 though.. plus the G1 is a pain to connect to | 04:33 |
| Macer | have to do it manually every time | 04:33 |
| Macer | from the terminal | 04:33 |
| odin_ | X11 says: VKB Keyboard: Found 4 mouse buttons, VKB Keyboard: Found x and y relative axes, VKB Keyboard: Found scroll wheel(s), VKB Keyboard: Found keys, ... | 04:34 |
| odin_ | hmm "od -x /dev/input/event4" does not look like fun.. 1 keypress = 6 events | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | press and release/ | 04:37 |
| odin_ | sure yep... each makes 3 packets of 16bytes ? as in KEY_DOWN and KEY_UP | 04:37 |
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| odin_ | I think I shall wait until I have compiled evtest.c | 04:37 |
| odin_ | (which shall be next year) | 04:38 |
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| odin_ | when you use your Nokia SU8W with N900, what does /tmp/X.log say ? | 04:40 |
| Macer | i don't have an n900 yet | 04:40 |
| Macer | i use it with my G1 and my n810 | 04:40 |
| shiznebit | Macer, don't get the n900 | 04:40 |
| odin_ | does N810 have /etc/X.log ? | 04:40 |
| Macer | er. i'm sure it might. not sure really. never had a need to look at the X log :) | 04:41 |
| shiznebit | just wait until the N9999 comes out | 04:41 |
| Macer | naw | 04:41 |
| Macer | n910 | 04:41 |
| Macer | with a compass | 04:41 |
| shiznebit | n911 | 04:41 |
| Macer | AND VIDEO! | 04:41 |
| shiznebit | you'll need to call the cops, CAUSE IT WORKS | 04:41 |
| Macer | i need an n900 anyways. my death ray broke on my n810 | 04:42 |
| shiznebit | your death ray ? | 04:42 |
| odin_ | I mean /tmp/Xorg.0.log mine has "(II) VKB Keyboard: Found keys" for example.. I'd like to knwo if yours says "(II) nokiasu8w: Found keys" | 04:42 |
| Raytray | I'm ray | 04:42 |
| odin_ | i.e. the label is there or not | 04:42 |
| Macer | odin_: when i wake up i'll try it ;) | 04:42 |
| Macer | i'm copying stuff to my n810 now | 04:42 |
| Macer | i actually only got it to hook it up to my day by day car | 04:43 |
| Macer | so i could use a bt obd2 thing and carman | 04:43 |
| odin_ | infact it might be "(II) Nokia SU-8W: Found keys" | 04:43 |
| Macer | BUT.. my 94 caprice doesn't have an obd2 port | 04:43 |
| Macer | it has some obd1.5 crap | 04:43 |
| Macer | and the n810 is useless in my 2009 tahoe :) | 04:44 |
| Macer | heh | 04:44 |
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| Macer | i just wanted to add a little tech to my old 94 caprice :) | 04:44 |
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| GAN900 | Raytray, random. | 04:47 |
| Raytray | GAN900, They were talking about death rays :P | 04:47 |
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| Raytray | Highlighted me twice. :( | 04:47 |
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| Macer | haha | 04:51 |
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| microlith | hmm | 05:15 |
| microlith | not a single crash today | 05:15 |
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| xorAxAx | is it really bad to use extras-devel on the device? most packages should be fine | 05:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | xorAxAx: no majors here | 05:52 |
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| GAN900 | xorAxAx, it's dangerous, yes. | 06:02 |
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| chris231989 | everybodybuddy fell asleep? | 07:44 |
| yuizy | hi | 07:45 |
| chris231989 | hello | 07:45 |
| ml-mobile | probably | 07:52 |
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| joppu | Reflect 0.72 now in exteras! Conversations now highly visible! | 08:22 |
| RST38h | What is Reflect? =) | 08:22 |
| joppu | A theme :) | 08:22 |
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| * ml-mobile looks | 08:22 | |
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| GAN900 | joppu, not sure about the blue. | 08:40 |
| GAN900 | I'd prefer it a few notches more subtle. | 08:40 |
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| siriusnova | so | 08:44 |
| siriusnova | anyone try the fennec nightly releases? | 08:44 |
| siriusnova | firefox mobile? | 08:44 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is there a way to import sms from another phone? | 08:49 |
| Corsac | seems they are not on the sim card | 08:49 |
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| joppu | Hmm... where's the fremantle promotion interface? | 08:51 |
| joppu | GAN900: blue on what part? | 08:51 |
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| Ceron | http://vimeo.com/7235817 awsome | 09:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Corsac: SMS are rarely stored on SIM nowadays. SIM storage space is really severely limited for SMS. So all phones store (most of ) SMS in internal storage | 09:10 |
| Corsac | yeah | 09:10 |
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| Corsac | I used wammu to get my sms from my SE Phone, no I have them on xml format or gammu format | 09:11 |
| Corsac | and found http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37354 | 09:11 |
| Corsac | so I might be able to fit the stuff together | 09:11 |
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| siriusnova | hmm | 09:20 |
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| siriusnova | hmm interesting | 09:22 |
| Corsac | hmh, are there python bindings for that osso stuff? | 09:23 |
| Corsac | I'm not sure I want to transform that xml stuff into csv but I'd prefer to doing xml in C either :) | 09:23 |
| siriusnova | the dashboard little menu thing where it shows your volume and availability etc.. doesnt show more then 6 items | 09:23 |
| siriusnova | which kind of sucks | 09:23 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, and the “Internet connection” stuff doesn't show the ip address | 09:34 |
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| adeus | is it still hidden | 09:42 |
| adeus | I don't have the final version, but it used to be available when you click the title bar and properties from there | 09:43 |
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| Corsac | in the title bar I have “internet connection” but that only displays the ssid | 09:51 |
| Corsac | hmmh, and is the n810 “chr” key gone? (like, to be able to type accentuated chars in qwerty) | 09:51 |
| Khertan | Corsac: nope i ven't try to use freeplayer. ... what is it ? | 09:52 |
| Khertan | Hi everybody :) | 09:52 |
| Corsac | Khertan: is you adsl provider free? | 09:53 |
| Corsac | your* | 09:53 |
| Khertan | nope :) | 09:54 |
| Corsac | that's why you don't know | 09:54 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | lol... Just got a "defect tracking" excel spreadsheet sent to me by a customer | 09:55 |
| crashanddie_mbp | This is pretty normal, they track the defects, etc | 09:55 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | what isn't normal, is that the spreadsheet is 15MB | 09:56 |
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| Xisdibik | must have alot of defects? | 09:57 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | nope | 09:59 |
| crashanddie_mbp | 6 defects in total | 09:59 |
| crashanddie_mbp | none of them higher than "minor | 10:00 |
| adeus | a massive edit history? | 10:00 |
| crashanddie_mbp | or enhancement | 10:00 |
| Ceron | is there anyone at sygic working here | 10:00 |
| Ceron | im intrested to be a beta tester | 10:00 |
| Ceron | of there navigation software >_< | 10:00 |
| crashanddie_mbp | their? | 10:01 |
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| Ceron | yes their :\ | 10:01 |
| Khertan | Still spell checking everybody sentences crashanddie_mbp :) | 10:02 |
| Khertan | Hi crashanddie_mbp | 10:02 |
| crashanddie_mbp | yo Khertan | 10:02 |
| crashanddie_mbp | Khertan: still, yes | 10:02 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | spellchecking :P | 10:02 |
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| Khertan | héhé | 10:02 |
| crashanddie_mbp | and there come the bots | 10:03 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | anyway, I have to wake up in about 5 hours to catch my flight back to Europe | 10:05 |
| crashanddie_mbp | I'm kinda happy to be leaving California | 10:05 |
| crashanddie_mbp | aaah, Europe, my beloved continent... You know... Where the history comes from :P | 10:06 |
| Khertan | :) | 10:06 |
| adeus | at this temp, I'd rather be in California :P | 10:06 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | adeus: I'm moving to Australia in early Jan | 10:06 |
| flux | any suggestions for a class 6 MicroSDHC card for n900? rumor says A-Data and RiData have had some issues. transcend maybe? | 10:06 |
| crashanddie_mbp | Just under 30C at the moment | 10:07 |
| adeus | same here | 10:07 |
| Ceron | i wonder if sygic will be as bad as Ovi maps :D | 10:07 |
| adeus | only -30 | 10:07 |
| jaska | -25 | 10:07 |
| Ceron | -8 | 10:07 |
| Khertan | -6 | 10:07 |
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| Khertan | and it s snowing ... | 10:07 |
| adeus | Australia sounds good as well | 10:07 |
| Ceron | want to be burned alive? Move to Australia! | 10:08 |
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| adeus | they still have witchhunts? :) | 10:08 |
| Ceron | lol no.. Wildfires | 10:08 |
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| Ceron | adeus: but im sure your n900 will make you look like you have magic in your hands | 10:09 |
| Arkenoi | flux: actually class 4 is enough | 10:10 |
| adeus | my n900 is still in the shop :( | 10:10 |
| flux | arkenoi, enough in that n900 can't perform faster? | 10:10 |
| adeus | I only have crappy protos here | 10:10 |
| flux | arkenoi, or simply enough for video recording and playback? | 10:10 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | flux: if you want to pay double the price and take risks, sure | 10:11 |
| Arkenoi | can't perform faster | 10:11 |
| crashanddie_mbp | flux: if you want to play it safe and save a few bucks, go with the recommended ones ;) | 10:11 |
| Arkenoi | the speed limit is slightly below class 4 | 10:11 |
| ruskie | hmm rox-filer seems to be a usable file manager for the n900 even without hildonization | 10:11 |
| crashanddie_mbp | Ceron: www.wickedweasel.com (not safe for work) | 10:11 |
| Ceron | im sorry, im at awork | 10:12 |
| Ceron | -a | 10:12 |
| ruskie | though lacks a bit of things | 10:12 |
| cosmo_ | what's unsafe about that? just a clothes store | 10:13 |
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| cosmo_ | nothing you wouldn't see on a good beach | 10:13 |
| flux | I suppose class 4 is sufficient then, I'm not likely going to use it directly with a PC | 10:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ruskie: mc ftw | 10:16 |
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| ruskie | DocScrutinizer51, lol... mv/cp/rm/ls FTW ;) | 10:17 |
| ruskie | ow and scripting to get stuff done :) | 10:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: my genuine Nokia 16GB uSD was not a cent more expensive than the broken kingston I bought before | 10:18 |
| ruskie | I never buy kingston | 10:19 |
| ruskie | had a friend that had constant issues with it | 10:19 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, indeed, teh internet says kingston is not advisable | 10:19 |
| ruskie | I tend to buy patriot or a-data though... happy with both | 10:19 |
| flux | sandisk apparently works | 10:19 |
| ruskie | sandisk more or less always works | 10:19 |
| fnordianslip | hmm. any ideas on this ? | 10:19 |
| fnordianslip | oh. can't paste that shortish line | 10:19 |
| ruskie | erm | 10:20 |
| ruskie | is there a / in front? then add another one and a space before | 10:20 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, well, the nokia card info atleast on the finnish nokia shop doesn't say anything about its performance | 10:20 |
| fnordianslip | http://pastebin.com/m3e97a835 | 10:21 |
| flux | while its price indeed is competitive (except the shipping is out of proportion) | 10:21 |
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| fnordianslip | yep, it did start with a slash . d'oh! too early for me, no sleep. | 10:21 |
| ruskie | fnordianslip, grep -r "\-Qy" * | 10:22 |
| ruskie | that should show you the screwed up flag | 10:22 |
| flux | mm, grep -r -- -Qy * sounds better | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: class2 here. noname. So you probably need to look at your particular one when buying at nokia shop | 10:23 |
| fnordianslip | grep returns nothing | 10:23 |
| fnordianslip | tnx for suggestions though | 10:23 |
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| ruskie | flux, either would work :) | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: real shop. not online ;-) | 10:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and btw. A really nice option to have a look at the printing of the uSD that's holding the file you still are wathing on device's screen (aka hotswap) | 10:27 |
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| joppu | So, how d I promote my package to extras-testing? | 10:28 |
| Micha_ | Hmm, I can't seem to get garage to allow me to upload via scp. I've given it my (newly generated) public ssh key. Does it take time for it to propagate? | 10:29 |
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| joppu | Could this "Warning: This package is not using one of the allowed user/* sections!" be preventing it? | 10:34 |
| X-Fade | joppu: That will block promotion | 10:34 |
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| X-Fade | joppu: because that will put your app in the 'other' category in the application manager. (Which should not exist) | 10:35 |
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| jaem | morning | 10:47 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:48 |
| fnordianslip | g'day | 10:48 |
| Jaffa | timeless: pong | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 10:49 |
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| Micha_ | Ok, sorted, key took a while to propagage. | 10:50 |
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| mece | *ding* I just thought of an application I'd want for my N900. | 10:51 |
| jaem | mece, oh? | 10:51 |
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| mece | A program to edit/trim mp3's so you can perfect your ringtones :) maybe there is one already? | 10:52 |
| fnordianslip | ex editor ? :) | 10:53 |
| fnordianslip | hex, even | 10:53 |
| fnordianslip | damned macbook pro keybd | 10:53 |
| mece | fnordianslip, was hoping for something a little more comfortable :) | 10:53 |
| fnordianslip | i know | 10:54 |
| cosmo_ | mece: port audacity | 10:54 |
| mece | too big | 10:54 |
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| mece | I use mp3trim in windows. It's very comfy and small. | 10:55 |
| mece | but not open soure | 10:55 |
| mece | and not open source either :) | 10:56 |
| jaem | fnordianslip, real geeks use pental | 10:56 |
| fnordianslip | jaem: you said you'd try my conky, its in devel | 10:56 |
| flux | perhaps there are smaller and simpler (possibly non-linear) audio editors that could be ported to n900? | 10:56 |
| * jaem had a pocket calculator with pental once... never figured out why | 10:56 | |
| jaem | fnordianslip, yes - I just caught the update this morning... or last night :S | 10:56 |
| jaem | I'll give it a try shortly - poke me in 5 | 10:57 |
| fnordianslip | pental, you mean base 5? | 10:57 |
| jaem | just busy for a moment | 10:57 |
| jaem | yes | 10:57 |
| mece | flux, I'm searching.. | 10:57 |
| fnordianslip | nice | 10:57 |
| ShadowJK | what is conky? | 10:57 |
| jaem | ShadowJK, sheer awesome | 10:57 |
| mece | mp3cut | 10:57 |
| mece | seems tiny | 10:57 |
| jaem | ShadowJK, to elaborate: http://ffejery.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/moar-conky/ | 10:58 |
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| fnordianslip | my conky - http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/screenshot07.png | 10:58 |
| ShadowJK | it's a theme? | 10:59 |
| fnordianslip | its more of a user configurable desktop widget | 10:59 |
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| fnordianslip | but i've not got it working as a widget yet, just a standalone app | 10:59 |
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| ShadowJK | oh | 10:59 |
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| mece | what do you think about this one: http://mp3splt.sourceforge.net/mp3splt_page/home.php | 11:00 |
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| * jaem curses dpkg-query | 11:02 | |
| mece | ~curse dpkg-query | 11:03 |
| mece | ? | 11:03 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dpkg-query ! | 11:03 |
| mece | :D | 11:03 |
| jaem | mece, right ;) | 11:03 |
| tru | so, speculation time. do you guys think we will get 1.1 before christmas? | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | tru: they did say december, so | 11:03 |
| jaem | tru, yes - on Christmas morning... in a box under our tree | 11:03 |
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| jaem | which will raise questions of how Nokia got into our houses | 11:04 |
| mece | Stskeeps, well oculd be 28th or something :) | 11:04 |
| jaem | I mean, Santa generally doesn't do contract work | 11:04 |
| jaem | I've tried | 11:04 |
| ruskie | lol | 11:04 |
| mece | lol | 11:04 |
| fnordianslip | it will probly come out on xmas eve, brick everyones devices, and nokia will be on holiday for ages | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | mece: i think the ssu people wouldn't work over xmas-newyears unless it was severely bad | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:04 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, yeah I guess. | 11:04 |
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| * tru for one is waiting for updated MfE | 11:05 | |
| Stskeeps | my personal predictions would be either tomorrow or monday, tuesday | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | (i don't know anything about dates) | 11:05 |
| * ruskie for one has removed MfE, skype and a pile of other stuff | 11:05 | |
| jaem | MfE == ? | 11:06 |
| ruskie | mail for exchange | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jaem: with a coupon to trade it in for something decent after xmas :-P | 11:06 |
| fnordianslip | so, the builder only feeds extras-devel once per hour, huh? | 11:06 |
| jaem | oh right | 11:06 |
| jaem | have you guys seen the ZipIt Z2 devices people have been hacking with? | 11:06 |
| Lynoure | Would any of you know what repository is libphonon-dev in? I cannot find it. | 11:07 |
| jaem | Lynoure, it's part of qt | 11:07 |
| Lynoure | jaem: part of what package? | 11:07 |
| jaem | so use either qt 4.5 (in extras, I believe) or qt 4.6 (in extras-devel) | 11:07 |
| Lynoure | jaem: I have dev package for qt4.5 but no phonon | 11:07 |
| jaem | Lynoure, well, there is a libqt4-phonon package, IIRC | 11:07 |
| Lynoure | jaem: that I have, but no help | 11:08 |
| jaem | are the dev packages split per module? I thought it was all bundled into libqt4-dev | 11:08 |
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| jaem | Lynoure, no? | 11:10 |
| X-Fade | Lynoure: That is being worked on. | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | Lynoure: I talked to the SDK team already about that.. | 11:11 |
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| Lynoure | no help, at least. will not compile with #include <phonon> (which works on my desktop) nor #include <Phonon> | 11:12 |
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| X-Fade | Lynoure: The package should be available shortly. | 11:13 |
| Lynoure | X-Fade: anything I can do meanwhile? Would not want to idle the next 2 days. | 11:13 |
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| Lynoure | X-Fade: is there relevant stuff for 4.6? | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | Lynoure: Let me go and ask for an eta. | 11:13 |
| Lynoure | X-Fade: thanks | 11:13 |
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| X-Fade | Lynoure: 4.6 is separate. | 11:13 |
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| furunk3l | i have a small issue for some days now. my touchscrenn on the n900 act sometimes really weird. | 11:14 |
| Lynoure | X-Fade: I know. | 11:14 |
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| furunk3l | mplayer in the background and after i activated the screen its not reacting to my input at all | 11:14 |
| furunk3l | it takes some minutes and then i am able to slide to another desktop or use the widgets | 11:15 |
| Lynoure | X-Fade: but as the sound stuff is my next step, I'm willing to switch to that if that's what it takes for me to have a shot at having this thing done before next week. | 11:15 |
| * mece is compiling mp3split... | 11:15 | |
| X-Fade | Lynoure: You could probably just grab any 4.5.3 debian package. | 11:15 |
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| furunk3l | sorry :( | 11:16 |
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| Lynoure | X-Fade: You would not recommend switching to 4.6 instead? (I think eventually will need to go for 4.6) | 11:17 |
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| X-Fade | Lynoure: No, because 4.5 is on the device. | 11:18 |
| X-Fade | Lynoure: And the 4.6 which is in extras-devel is experimental and probably will fill your device's rootfs. | 11:19 |
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| Lynoure | X-Fade: ok, thanks for the advice. | 11:19 |
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| mece | cd .. | 11:20 |
| mece | damb | 11:20 |
| mece | ok this is not the correct window | 11:20 |
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| mece | is libmad in the repositories somewhere? | 11:26 |
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| mece | nvrmind, found it. | 11:26 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 11:29 | |
| * timeless_mbp is looking at a burndown graph where the charts seem to want to go *up* | 11:29 | |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, you're always sighing | 11:29 |
| jaem | ;P | 11:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | jaem: *sighing* since 1999 | 11:29 |
| fnordianslip | and frowning, and sounding like marvin | 11:30 |
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| jaem | lol | 11:30 |
| jaem | yeah | 11:30 |
| fnordianslip | in my head | 11:30 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 11:31 | |
| cpscotti | Good morning everyone!! Can someone do another check on accdisplay?It is in estras-testing now and I have fixed all the issues pointed so far.. | 11:31 |
| jaem | cpscotti, what is it? | 11:31 |
| jaem | fnordianslip, sorry, I'm in the middle of something | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | oh wait | 11:31 |
| fnordianslip | timeless_mbp: does your mbp suffer from the "elp - my keybd drops characters" problem? | 11:31 |
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| jaem | I'll probably be up all night anyhow, so just bug me later, and I'll try to test it at some point | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't mean the Cat, you mean h2gt2g | 11:31 |
| cpscotti | views/records/playbacks accelerometer's data | 11:31 |
| Corsac | h2g2? | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | fnordianslip: not generally | 11:32 |
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| fnordianslip | timeless_mbp: mine's a bugger for it | 11:32 |
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| cpscotti | Jaem: Graphically | 11:32 |
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| jaem | cpscotti, neat | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: sure | 11:32 |
| Lynoure | X-Fade: seems installing the Debian package for it is not straightforward, at least, complains about conflicting /usr/lib/libphonon.prl and depending on a package that cannot be installed, seeing whether it will work when forced, anyway | 11:32 |
| * Arkenoi noticed that daily amount of sms sent by me decreased tenfold or so since i got n900 - just because im is there as well and it is just as handy | 11:32 | |
| cpscotti | Last issues were just regarding app-name an version consistency through debian/control, about dialog and app title. | 11:32 |
| jaem | cpscotti, installing it now - I'll test it if it's quick | 11:32 |
| cpscotti | Ok | 11:33 |
| jaem | cpscotti, go ahead | 11:33 |
| timeless_mbp | oops, marvin was the baby, not the cat | 11:33 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 11:33 | |
| mece | Arkenoi, damn straight. N900 is good for your wallet :) | 11:33 |
| timeless_mbp | garfield was the cat :o | 11:33 |
| timeless_mbp | cpscotti: you shouldn't have an about dialog :) | 11:34 |
| fnordianslip | marvin was the manic depressive robot sidekick of zaphod beeblebrox | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | it's mostly a waste of valuable realestate | 11:34 |
| flux | cpscotti, how about a display mode that would display three value versus time plots for each axis? | 11:34 |
| jaem | cpscotti, what do you want me to check? | 11:35 |
| cpscotti | Flux: isn't the top of the app what u want | 11:35 |
| Lynoure | X-Fade: compiles now, at least | 11:35 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders where this thing comes from | 11:35 | |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: ping | 11:35 |
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| cpscotti | Timeless_... Why not having a about dialog | 11:35 |
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| fnordianslip | cpscotti: either the planet is on the wonk or my accelerometer is, as i'd swear down isn't that way | 11:36 |
| * jaem falls up | 11:36 | |
| jaem | oops | 11:36 |
| Lynoure | annoyingly, what's #include <phonon> on the ubuntu is #include <Phonon> on the scratchbox | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fnordianslip: "cool. But can you also shoot away the floor?" XD | 11:36 |
| fnordianslip | i don't need no stinking floor | 11:36 |
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| cpscotti | Fnordianslip: well that's supposed to show what it reads | 11:37 |
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| fnordianslip | cpscotti: i'm not blaming you. i reckon the reading is a degree or two off on the -X axis | 11:38 |
| flux | cpscotti, they are only the current numeric values, seeing history data plotted visually would be nice | 11:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | fnordianslip: accel meters? usually are amazingly off from what you'd expect them to consider the 3 main axes | 11:40 |
| fnordianslip | mind you, i once had to fix a flux-gate compass for an aircraft instrument, and discovered that the silk screen printing on the compass rose had 175 degrees between north and south going through east, and 185 degrees going through west | 11:40 |
| cpscotti | Jaem: everything should be working ok... But i still need the votes on garage... | 11:40 |
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| fnordianslip | cpscotti: if you're touting for votes, you could at least post a link | 11:42 |
| mece | ok, so that compiled nice and friendly. | 11:42 |
| cpscotti | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/accdisplay/1.0/ | 11:43 |
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| cpscotti | Flux: oh.. Now i get it (duh.. Didn't see "time plot" there).. So.. Yeah it would be nice.. But maybe just over bloating the app.. That is just plain simple.. | 11:45 |
| cpscotti | Maybe on v. 2... | 11:46 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless, burndown graphs? | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | they're a scrum concept i suppose | 11:47 |
| fnordianslip | "Waiting for maemo.org." isn't that the name of a film or something? | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | http://images.google.com/images?q=burndown%20graphs&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi | 11:47 |
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| ShadowJK | cpscotti, what kind of samplerate do you get out of the accelerometer? | 11:47 |
| cpscotti | fnordianslip: hahahahahahaha òpò... | 11:48 |
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| cpscotti | 1/20 | 11:48 |
| ShadowJK | aw :( | 11:48 |
| cpscotti | That's why its the default for playback... | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | GNUton-BNC: ping? | 11:49 |
| ShadowJK | the 'rate' file in sysfs says 100 :/ | 11:49 |
| ShadowJK | I thought you'd atleast get that | 11:49 |
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| cpscotti | I read somewhere that the limit is around 1/25 but it starts to lag pretty easily then.. | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: note that the 'down' part is consistent in most graphs | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | so when you see a burndown graph trending upward... | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | you too would start sighing | 11:50 |
| cpscotti | Ps: òpò = lol shifted right in italian n900 kb..... | 11:51 |
| ShadowJK | it'd been cool to be able to get a few hundred hz out of hte accelerometer, I'd tried recording while finding the 100+dB low-frequency audio/vibration spots at work, and then I'd try play up the accelerometer data as audio | 11:51 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, that would require location awareness within a room to do correct monitoring | 11:52 |
| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, so the solution is to hang your managers upside down? | 11:52 |
| timeless_mbp | forget the orientation part ;-) | 11:52 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, it's not about monitoring | 11:53 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, I'd just want to play back accelerometer data as sound :) | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: it's same accelerometer as in a freerunner | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | see if there's something for it :P | 11:53 |
| flux | shadowjk, as a waveform or as a frequency modulated sine signal? | 11:53 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, its been on the cards to use the accelerometer to control a musical instrument for a while | 11:54 |
| lcuk | now i have 2 n900s here it might happen lol | 11:54 |
| ShadowJK | flux, as waveform | 11:54 |
| lcuk | one for each conducting hand | 11:54 |
| ifreq | lol | 11:54 |
| ifreq | good morning btw | 11:54 |
| Lynoure | damn liboil error again :/ | 11:54 |
| flux | shadowjk, well, I doubt you'd hear anything | 11:54 |
| flux | shadowjk, unless you vibrate your device at 60+hz, which I recommend against :) | 11:54 |
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| dockane | whats the point of disabling copy-and-paste for the wifi password request. having to type 63 characters for my 5 aps? lol | 11:55 |
| flux | shadowjk, atleast it would need to be modulated into a higher frequency.. | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | Lynoure: It seems it will take a while to get the phonon-dev issue sorted out. The source package doesn't seem to generate it. | 11:55 |
| ShadowJK | flux, oh I think I would at the noisy parts on the floor at work. For example, if I have a paper or something in my hand, the surface of the paper easily picks up sound and transfers the vibrations to my hand | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: Stskeeps: iirc th lis302 has either 100@or 400 Hz samplerate | 11:55 |
| mece | ok, mp3splt compiled and installed on N900. Let's see if it works. | 11:56 |
| ShadowJK | I guess I could just play it back faster ;) | 11:56 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, I suppose in best case you could infact hear something then? | 11:56 |
| Lynoure | X-Fade: uh. I wonder what to do. I can now get it compile with the forced debian package, but get some weird liboil error as the result | 11:56 |
| ShadowJK | 400hz samplerate would give you 200hz maximum frequency | 11:56 |
| ShadowJK | when played back through speakers | 11:56 |
| ShadowJK | unless you speed it up and play it at doublespeed or something | 11:56 |
| ali1234 | if you sample the acceleration directly and play it back, all you've done is make an amplifier | 11:57 |
| lcuk | reading accelerometer unsmoothed gives jitter | 11:57 |
| ShadowJK | highpass filter to remove all the low-frequency components that arise from walking around | 11:57 |
| dockane | is that real? i have to fiddle with dbus to get my 63 character wifi passwords into n900? | 11:57 |
| flux | shadowjk, some kind of 'audialization' would be interesting to try out in any case | 11:57 |
| Lynoure | ...and still no sound I can here. | 11:58 |
| flux | cpscotti, what's the sampling rate your app uses for recording? | 11:58 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, in the maemo wiki theres a 25hz+ smoothed interface which works really well and gives accurate acceptable results | 11:58 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, I *want* the jitter :) | 11:58 |
| lcuk | no, you dont | 11:58 |
| ali1234 | you know, there's a device in the n900 that can measure vibrations at 48khz... the mic | 11:58 |
| ShadowJK | ali1234, that's not fun :) | 11:58 |
| lcuk | random jitter != high frequency fun | 11:58 |
| flux | lcuk, in his case it would be (very small amount of) noise | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: flux: I suggest freq modulation of a 2KHz signal with the accel data | 11:58 |
| cpscotti | Flux:... 1/20 | 11:58 |
| tru | hmm, anyone know if you can disable vibration on IM's only? I still want it for an incomming call. | 11:59 |
| lcuk | the amount of noise is not based on motion, its simply noise | 11:59 |
| * timeless_mbp rotfl | 11:59 | |
| flux | cpscotti, well, I suppose you could go (much) higher atleast when recording? | 11:59 |
| * timeless_mbp heard some really funny news | 11:59 | |
| Lynoure | s/here/hear/ | 11:59 |
| infobot | Lynoure meant: ...and still no sound I can hear. | 11:59 |
| flux | lcuk, it's extremely dificult to get rid of exactly the jitter and not any of the signal.. | 12:00 |
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| cpscotti | Flux: i read somewhere that after 1/25 it starts lagging pretty bad... Since it's all python, i was a little conservative and adopted 1/20 | 12:01 |
| lcuk | flux, i have done lots of stuff with the accelerometer, smoothed out the way i do it gives complete nicely accurate feedback from the accel | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | Lynoure: Now trying to get in touch with one of the Qt guys, to figure out what is happening there. | 12:01 |
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| flux | lcuk, but what the guy is trying to get is an extremely low intensity signals. I gather he wants to try if the signal gets different when you drag the device over a coarse surface.. | 12:02 |
| pekuja | anybody know of a good IRC client for N900? | 12:02 |
| jaem | pekuja, xchat or irssi | 12:02 |
| dockane | pekuja: irssi | 12:02 |
| flux | does xchat integrate with the phone's notification features? | 12:03 |
| pekuja | irssi is the classic, I suppose | 12:03 |
| flux | or, for that matter, does irssi? | 12:03 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, the stuff I'm after would be embedded in the noise (jitter).. the noise/jitter would most likely be needed, the real signal I'm after would be dithered against the noise | 12:03 |
| lcuk | flux, good luck | 12:03 |
| ShadowJK | flux, neither | 12:03 |
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| pekuja | are those two available in any repos? | 12:03 |
| flux | lcuk, :) yes, pretty unrealistic, perhaps, but filtering would ruin it for sure. | 12:03 |
| pekuja | I know I didn't see them in the app manager | 12:03 |
| fnordianslip | are you trying to make a turn-table cartridge out of an n900? | 12:03 |
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| ShadowJK | the jitter seems pretty consistent with the phone sitting still. It seems like a constant a +- n, where n seems to be constant | 12:04 |
| ShadowJK | so that's just thermal noise or whatever | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: xchat does (kinda), with play-sound | 12:05 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, I suppose some hacky dbus-magic could be hooked into that? | 12:05 |
| Ceron | i found a bug in n900 | 12:05 |
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| Ceron | a person called me and the screen went blank :( | 12:05 |
| KMFDM | doe sanyone else with pre-release phones get random beeps when calling? | 12:05 |
| KMFDM | and dropped connections? | 12:05 |
| * cpscotti struggling with pidgin at the n900.... It's hard to have proper chatting.. :// | 12:05 | |
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| flux | pekuja, they are likely in the extras repositories. of course, stuff there (or especially in extras-testing) can be more risky than the official nokia stuff. | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | Ceron: it uses proximity detection for some stuff | 12:05 |
| ShadowJK | Ceron, something covering the proximity sensor? | 12:06 |
| Ceron | ShadowJK: where is proximity sensor located | 12:06 |
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| ShadowJK | It's one of the things next to the front camera | 12:06 |
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| pekuja | flux: Ok. I thought I had enabled maemo-extras though. Are there several extras repositories? | 12:06 |
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| pekuja | well, I suppose extras-testing is another one | 12:08 |
| flux | pekuja, extras, extras-devel, extras-testing | 12:08 |
| pekuja | ok | 12:08 |
| pekuja | thanks | 12:08 |
| flux | of course, keep backups, etc ;) | 12:08 |
| flux | (iow: don't do like I do :P) | 12:08 |
| Corsac | usually extras is safer than extras-testing, safer than extras-devel | 12:08 |
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| flux | is there an easy way to see the new packages? | 12:10 |
| pekuja | so are there five repos in total? | 12:10 |
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| pekuja | two Nokia ones, three maemo.org ones | 12:11 |
| mece | mp3splt compiled and working. | 12:11 |
| flux | ovi store has its own one also, but the store isn't open yet | 12:11 |
| flux | also it installs the repo itself automatically | 12:12 |
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| pupnik | aha, this rim around the display absorbs shocks from falls! Brilliant! | 12:13 |
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| fnordianslip | pupnik: have you been trying n900fly ? | 12:14 |
| pupnik | mece do you have an app for gui editing of mp3 (nondestructive) | 12:14 |
| Corsac | what's n900fly (I didn't find the desc really clear and didn't try it) | 12:14 |
| mece | pupnik, no, there's a gui but I didn't feel like trying that one out. | 12:14 |
| pekuja | no xchat in testing, but there is pidgin | 12:14 |
| pekuja | and irssi is there also | 12:14 |
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| fnordianslip | Corsac: I think it measures how hard you throw your n900 in the air, with the accelerometer | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xchat is in devel iirc | 12:15 |
| pupnik | i got lopster built for maemo | 12:15 |
| pupnik | but it is gtk hell like xchat | 12:15 |
| mece | I'll try the gui, since the other stuff worked so fine | 12:16 |
| thp | X-Fade: there's a dependency problem with python-gtk2 and python-glade2 in extras-testing. did you have a look at this already? | 12:16 |
| jukey | is wiki.maemo.org down? | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xchat segfaults on storing preferences. So edit the .cfg directly | 12:17 |
| Corsac | jukey: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.maemo.org | 12:17 |
| jaem | jukey, also http://istheinternetup.creativemisconfiguration.com | 12:18 |
| jaem | :P | 12:18 |
| jaem | slightly less useful, yes | 12:18 |
| jukey | nice :) | 12:18 |
| jaem | but my friend and I found it amusing enough to put up there | 12:18 |
| pekuja | by the way, I only just got my N900 yesterday. does anybody have any suggestions for cool stuff I should try on it? :-P | 12:19 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless, it's not the ever repeating finnish tabloid's "winter surprised $CITY", is it? | 12:19 |
| mece | building gtk version. I wonder where it will crash. | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: heh | 12:20 |
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| cpscotti | Corsac: its a game that tells you how high u can throw your cell phone.. | 12:20 |
| cpscotti | Corsec: if you can come up with a better desc, just tell me.. | 12:20 |
| fnordianslip | has anyone tested my conky yet? | 12:20 |
| jaem | pekuja, ATI85 and Free42 are hard to beat if you need a good calculator | 12:20 |
| jaem | Xournal is also excellent, although the port is not done yet | 12:20 |
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| jaem | fnordianslip, sigh... I'll test it for you now | 12:20 |
| fnordianslip | lol | 12:20 |
| mece | fnordianslip, your conky looks badass, but I'm busy with this mp3splt stuff atm. will test later. | 12:21 |
| fnordianslip | Corsac: what about bouncing your n900? | 12:21 |
| jaem | sorry, I just finished exams on Monday, and I'm recovering and taking care of personal stuff | 12:21 |
| jaem | okay, what do you need me to do? | 12:21 |
| fnordianslip | the default conf is in opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conky.conf | 12:21 |
| Corsac | cpscotti: well, just say that :) | 12:21 |
| Corsac | cpscotti: in the long description | 12:22 |
| pekuja | jaem: calculators are sexy, yes ;-) | 12:22 |
| Corsac | “irresponsible app” is just scary :) | 12:22 |
| fnordianslip | copy it somewhere, install droid fonts, or change the font in the conf, and run conky from xterm | 12:22 |
| pekuja | jaem: well, they are useful. I was eyeing some of the apps in that category | 12:22 |
| Corsac | fnordianslip: for? | 12:22 |
| jaem | pekuja, also, OMWeather, MaStory (Blogging Client), the Evernote sharing plugin... | 12:22 |
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| skrankki | Should these osso examples work with maemo 5? I can't bring the Application to foreground: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/PythonOssoExamples#Application All I get is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/343451/ | 12:23 |
| fnordianslip | ^ for jaem | 12:23 |
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| pekuja | jaem: evernote is dead though | 12:23 |
| cpscotti | fnordianslip: is ur conky on extras-testing? | 12:24 |
| fnordianslip | jaem: what exams? | 12:24 |
| fnordianslip | cpscotti: devel | 12:24 |
| fnordianslip | its ok. trust me :) | 12:24 |
| fnordianslip | i wouldn't run it all day though, as it will keep the device awake, depending on the periods set | 12:25 |
| pekuja | jaem: I actually had some trouble getting MaStory to work, but I suppose it could be a server side problem too. Kinda annoying when it doesn't tell me what went wrong, only that posting failed. | 12:25 |
| cpscotti | Ahh... Ok... I'll try it.. | 12:25 |
| pekuja | jaem: thanks for the tips | 12:25 |
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| cpscotti | Corsac: well.. I thougth that the current description said that... But ok.. It can get a little bit better.. I'll explain more on he next build.. | 12:26 |
| jaem | pekuja, how is it dead? I haven't used it much, but itlooked neat | 12:26 |
| jaem | fnordianslip, I'm in Comp. Eng., but I had a variety this semester | 12:26 |
| pekuja | jaem: Google bought them and shut the service down. | 12:26 |
| jaem | pekuja, O RLY? | 12:26 |
| jaem | when? | 12:26 |
| pekuja | jaem: it's still available for existing users I think | 12:26 |
| pekuja | jaem: a week ago or something | 12:27 |
| fnordianslip | jaem: oh. nothing hard then :) | 12:27 |
| jaem | fnordianslip, ha | 12:27 |
| pekuja | I think | 12:27 |
| jaem | pekuja, darn it all | 12:27 |
| jaem | :/ | 12:27 |
| cpscotti | But well.. Some testing would be good... n900fly on testing now.... Test it and give feedback... Just please, dont break ur phones gentleman!! | 12:27 |
| pekuja | or am I thinking of something else | 12:27 |
| jaem | I have an account, but that's really not cool | 12:27 |
| mece | pekuja, man that sucks. That had some serious potential. | 12:27 |
| jaem | Gizmo5, maybe? | 12:27 |
| pekuja | jaem: actually I think maybe I was thinking of something else :-< | 12:27 |
| mece | pekuja, heh | 12:27 |
| pekuja | jaem: it doesn't look dead from looking at their website | 12:27 |
| mece | :D | 12:28 |
| fnordianslip | cpscotti: so, can it measure how hard you bounce your n900? | 12:28 |
| jaem | fnordianslip, looks good to me - anything in particular I should check? | 12:28 |
| pekuja | oh, it was etherpad | 12:28 |
| pekuja | heh | 12:28 |
| jaem | pekuja, them too? | 12:28 |
| jaem | darn | 12:28 |
| pekuja | no, not them too | 12:28 |
| pekuja | evernote is fine | 12:28 |
| pekuja | but etherpad was shut down | 12:28 |
| fnordianslip | jaem: just wanted to know it installed ok on another device | 12:28 |
| jaem | pekuja, too, as in, yet another company in general | 12:28 |
| pekuja | I got them mixed up | 12:28 |
| jaem | never tried etherpad, but I heard it was vaguely Wave-ish | 12:29 |
| pekuja | yeah | 12:29 |
| pekuja | I think that's why Google bought them | 12:29 |
| cpscotti | Fnordiansleep: yep.. Measures for how long it was on the air.."flying".. | 12:29 |
| pekuja | to work on Wave | 12:29 |
| fnordianslip | jaem: might just push it into testing | 12:29 |
| jaem | did they shut them down, or just do the usual registration-freeze thing until they can be Googlified? | 12:29 |
| jaem | fnordianslip, text runs off the right side a bit, but everything seems happy | 12:29 |
| pekuja | but yeah, I got those two mixed up in my head... both start with an E and end with a part of "notepad" | 12:29 |
| jaem | lol | 12:29 |
| fnordianslip | jaem: doesn't on mine, do you have the droid fonts installed? | 12:30 |
| pekuja | actually, ever and ether are kinda similar words, just two letters difference | 12:30 |
| jaem | fnordianslip, yes | 12:30 |
| pekuja | but yeah, I guess I will check the evernote app out then | 12:30 |
| jaem | some friends and I are looking at picking up a neat little device to run Linux on... | 12:30 |
| jaem | it's meant as a standalone IM client for teenagers that need their IM fix | 12:30 |
| cpscotti | fnordianslip: it's not about bouncing, its about throwing it up.. And picking it back... | 12:30 |
| jaem | but it runs Linux, and should be sufficient to use as a wireless thin client | 12:30 |
| jaem | :) | 12:30 |
| jaem | $50 | 12:30 |
| fnordianslip | jaem: odd. which bit of text overflows? | 12:31 |
| jaem | well, it can be made to run Linux - I think it does anyway, but nothing useful | 12:31 |
| jaem | fnordianslip, Running Processes | 12:31 |
| jaem | the right-hand field | 12:31 |
| jaem | after the most-significant-digit | 12:31 |
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| fnordianslip | jaem: isn't there only one digit = 1 ? | 12:32 |
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| Laiska | jaem: ~50$ more and you could buy a beagle board and do really cool stuff.. | 12:33 |
| jaem | fnordianslip, oh, that could be | 12:33 |
| jaem | lol | 12:33 |
| jaem | Laiska, I thought they were still $150? | 12:33 |
| jaem | also, this comes with wifi, a keyboard, and a screen, in a nice portable case | 12:33 |
| jaem | and can be cheaper if you get a deal | 12:33 |
| jaem | but yeah, the BB looks really nice | 12:33 |
| jaem | I just can't afford it at the moment | 12:33 |
| Laiska | Oh true, I rememberd incorrectly | 12:34 |
| * fnordianslip thinks jaem has a 10-core arm cpu and needs more than one digit of running processes | 12:34 | |
| Laiska | 150$ you are right | 12:34 |
| mece | building mp3splt-gtk take 3 | 12:34 |
| jaem | we really just want a mobile terminal, and maybe an NX client if we can squeeze it on | 12:34 |
| jaem | fnordianslip, lol | 12:34 |
| Laiska | I automagically was thinking of euros.. | 12:34 |
| * jaem is stupid | 12:34 | |
| jaem | Laiska, euros? who the heck uses those? | 12:34 |
| jaem | :P | 12:34 |
| mece | oh my, a successful bild. | 12:35 |
| Laiska | jaem: 16 countries I think ;) | 12:35 |
| mece | build too | 12:35 |
| jaem | Laiska, meh | 12:35 |
| jaem | have you tried the BeagleBoard? | 12:35 |
| * fnordianslip tries to get a load > 10 on his n900 | 12:36 | |
| pupnik | certain irc chatters frequently post links i find interesting. lets think about how to make an rss out of them | 12:36 |
| * RST38h needs one more vote to push Speccy out into Extras | 12:36 | |
| Laiska | no hands-on experince, just seen it in use | 12:36 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Care to vote for a package? =) | 12:36 |
| jaem | fnordianslip, I tried to import 160,000 recipes to the earliest alpha port of KRecipes to KDE4, and it ate my laptop | 12:36 |
| jaem | pupnik, that would be interesting | 12:36 |
| pupnik | already navigating there RST38h | 12:37 |
| jaem | RST38h, can I vote down, just to be a jerk? | 12:37 |
| ShadowJK | heh. | 12:37 |
| RST38h | jaem: Yes. But then the Tentacled One will pay you a visit tonight. | 12:37 |
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| jaem | RST38h, bwah! | 12:37 |
| pupnik | n900 multitaasking rules. it rules! | 12:37 |
| mece | hey am I supposed to use "run-standalone.sh" when launching stuff from the xterm? What exactly does it do? | 12:38 |
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| jaem | pupnik, yes indeed - I laugh a bit at all the newbies posting excitedly that they can run over 8999 apps at once | 12:38 |
| jaem | yes, you can... but that's not usually practical | 12:38 |
| cosmo_ | mece: afaik it sets environment variables etc so that applications actually work | 12:38 |
| jaem | and yes, over 8999 is the new anti-meme | 12:38 |
| jaem | averted at the last moment | 12:38 |
| RST38h | pupnik: abbra had an interesting blog post about how scheduling works on N900 | 12:39 |
| mece | cosmo_, sounds good. I'll try that first then :) | 12:39 |
| jaem | hmm... is the component of Maemo that sends caller ID to a bluetooth device FOSS? | 12:40 |
| jaem | I really need a code example :/ | 12:40 |
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| derf | RST38h: Link? | 12:40 |
| RST38h | pupnik: among other things he explained why app manager stops working when you navigate away from it | 12:40 |
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| RST38h | derf: it is in Russian anyway | 12:40 |
| jaem | RST38h, stops completely? | 12:40 |
| derf | Oh. Pft. | 12:41 |
| RST38h | jaem: not completely, just does not get scheduled all that often | 12:41 |
| jaem | RST38h, ah. How was the "zzz... I'm low on RAM" feature implemented on Maemo 4? | 12:41 |
| cpscotti | fnordianslip: i'm testing conky.. Everything works okay... It just misses (or I didn't find) the desktop integration/launching thing :/.... | 12:41 |
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| RST38h | There are basically several pools of processes that get different scheduler quotas, and to save power the system tries to guess process importance and move it into the right pool | 12:42 |
| fnordianslip | cpscotti: yep. i need to figure out that bit. | 12:42 |
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| RST38h | jaem: You mean the one which worked kind alike per-application suspend-to-disk? | 12:42 |
| jaem | RST38h, yes. I heard that there was a process-freeze feature added to the kernel for .28, but I didn't know what this was using | 12:42 |
| RST38h | jaem: I am not really sure it was an upstream feature | 12:43 |
| jaem | RST38h, was there a comma in that, or not? | 12:43 |
| jaem | lol: "line 9 -- # system doesn't accidentally grow automake-1.10 dependencies." | 12:43 |
| RST38h | jaem: But I do not think it is any better than simply swapping a process out | 12:43 |
| fnordianslip | jaem: I've got "Running" to read 10, it right justifies itself ok in the default config. | 12:43 |
| jaem | okay... makes sense | 12:43 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ bookmark | 12:44 |
| jaem | fnordianslip, okay, my mistake | 12:44 |
| cpscotti | fnordianslip: it's fun that's the filesystem bars show how much free u have... Not the opposite... But that's from the mainstream soft.. No prob.. | 12:44 |
| fnordianslip | jaem: no, mine. i kinda assumed that it would never go over 1 anyway. silly me. | 12:44 |
| * RST38h starts looking for jeremiah to resolve that missing dependency thing, as it seems to have hit multiple people | 12:44 | |
| jaem | fnordianslip, you're holding my processor upgrade back! ;) | 12:45 |
| jaem | you can increase your number of cores by fudging conky, right? | 12:45 |
| jaem | hehe | 12:45 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/packages/view/speccy/ where can i vote here? | 12:45 |
| fnordianslip | cpscotti: i see what you mean | 12:45 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/speccy/1.6.8-1/ | 12:46 |
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| RST38h | (and yes, the whole voting system is fucked up) | 12:46 |
| pupnik | simple fix | 12:46 |
| pupnik | user goes to maemo.org | 12:46 |
| pupnik | 2) searches their package and gets above page | 12:46 |
| fnordianslip | cpscotti: although i think knowing how much space there is is more useful than knowing how much space there isn't | 12:46 |
| RST38h | package versioning too now, as it seems | 12:46 |
| pupnik | 3) (add this) allow testing vote | 12:47 |
| cpscotti | Yes.... I agree.. | 12:47 |
| RST38h | pupnik: remember the meeting where it was agreed to lower the threshold to 5 votes? Like month ago? | 12:47 |
| cpscotti | It's just that its funny | 12:47 |
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| pupnik | no :) | 12:47 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Still not done, and it is changin a single digit for all we know | 12:47 |
| RST38h | pupnik: So, NOTHING is simple to fix with maemo.org, you have to whine for months | 12:47 |
| joppu | lol | 12:48 |
| pupnik | i can help if someone wants to oversee my work | 12:48 |
| fnordianslip | changing 10 to 5 is 2 digits | 12:48 |
| Micha_ | Hmm. The autobuilder built my package fro i386, I specified arch=all | 12:48 |
| fnordianslip | unless its in hex | 12:48 |
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| derf | Micha_: Are you sure? Or did it just use an i386 scratchbox target to build it. | 12:49 |
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| Micha_ | derf: Using py2deb to make the source package | 12:49 |
| RST38h | pupnik: already offered help, no response | 12:50 |
| mece | ok, so mp3splt-gtk does load, and you can split mp3's with it, but player doesn't work, so there is not really much point in using it. command line version much easier to use. | 12:50 |
| RST38h | that was a few months ago | 12:50 |
| Micha_ | Just realised, do I specify arch=all, or arch=any? | 12:50 |
| derf | arch=all means the same package can be installed on all architectures. | 12:50 |
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| derf | arch=any means the same package source can be built for any architecture. | 12:50 |
| mece | don't feel like trying to properly port, since mp3splt works fine from command line. | 12:50 |
| mece | this was a public service announcement. | 12:51 |
| Micha_ | Right, so I do want all. (Is a python app) | 12:51 |
| derf | But the autobuilder still has to pick a scratchbox target to build the package in. | 12:51 |
| derf | And it always chooses i386 for arch=all, presumably because that doesn't involve qemu. | 12:52 |
| Micha_ | Mm. ok, I'll wait until it shows up in the repository and see what came out (seems to be taking a while). Just looking at the build logs. | 12:52 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andre__ | 12:54 |
| andre__ | heja | 12:54 |
| jpe__ | how can my xterminal be more usefull, i mean i want to login inti my server, but nogo... | 12:55 |
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| mece | jpe__, what's the problem with logging in? | 12:55 |
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| jpe__ | it keeps asking my a password , which is the local one, i do a sudo slogin btw | 12:56 |
| andre__ | so asking for a password is unuseful? | 12:57 |
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| mece | jpe__, on the device? | 13:00 |
| mece | jpe__, have you set a password? | 13:00 |
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| jpe__ | mece:no | 13:00 |
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| jpe__ | mece: the password cannot be changed for the user, it says | 13:01 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: ping? | 13:02 |
| mece | jpe__, it's the sudo that's the problem. | 13:02 |
| mece | why are you sudoing it? | 13:02 |
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| RST38h | thanks, pupnik =) | 13:03 |
| jpe__ | mece: otherwise it can't find the command ? | 13:03 |
| RST38h | Now, just need X-Fade or jeremiah to fix the dependencies problem... | 13:03 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Is version comparison function issue. Will try to fix asap. It is not a real problem on device. | 13:07 |
| ShadowJK | jpe__, you want to ssh into your n900 from another computer? | 13:07 |
| jpe__ | shadowJK: no viceversa | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Lunch, bbl. | 13:08 |
| ShadowJK | what's this sudo slogin about? | 13:08 |
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| jpe__ | ShadowJK: the n900 is asking for a password, but i supose it;s the n900's password, because my remote server's one fails | 13:09 |
| ShadowJK | I just open X-terminal on N900 and type ssh jk@myserver | 13:09 |
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| ShadowJK | and it asks for the password for jk on the server | 13:10 |
| jpe__ | ssh: command not found | 13:10 |
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| ShadowJK | go to applicatio manage, enable extras, install openssh-client | 13:11 |
| jpe__ | ah ok, it's not installed bu default, ok | 13:11 |
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| ShadowJK | If you want root on n900, then you install 'rootsh' and type 'sudo gainroot' to become root. But that's not needed for ssh into your server | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK | And with root you can of course break your n900 | 13:12 |
| jpe__ | ShadowJK:ok ,thanks, i'll start with a ssh , then we see | 13:13 |
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| ShadowJK | You know what ssh is, right? ;) | 13:14 |
| Micha_ | How long does it normally take for a package to be migrated to the extras-devel repository? | 13:15 |
| jpe__ | ishadowJK: no problem there, use linux for +10 years | 13:15 |
| Micha_ | And/or is there a place to access the generated .deb directly from garage? | 13:15 |
| _berto_ | argh, commercial N900 come with one of these: http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/chargers/nokia-extra-power-dc-11 | 13:16 |
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| _berto_ | I got mine through the DDP and I don't have it | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | _berto_: really? | 13:17 |
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| Laiska | Ummm, mine is a "commercial" and did not have one.. | 13:18 |
| w00t | nor did mine | 13:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | nor mine | 13:18 |
| _berto_ | maybe only in spain ? | 13:18 |
| suihkulokki | or a special offer | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n900/specifications | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Sales Package Contents* | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | does not mention it | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc spain had some special offers | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | the fact that special offers aren't included w/ DDP shouldn't be particularly surprising :) | 13:20 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: also it does not mention the leaflet | 13:20 |
| _berto_ | looks like a special offer | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm. always read "nokiausea" | 13:20 |
| timeless_mbp | or the plastic wrapping, i'm sure | 13:20 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't get a leaflet with mine | 13:20 |
| timeless_mbp | be thankful, we saved a tree, just for you :) | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | the getting started? | 13:21 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 13:21 |
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| ShadowJK | I just burned a tree today :D | 13:21 |
| * ShadowJK woke up to 14C in the bedroom | 13:21 | |
| _berto_ | http://www.nokia.es/NOKIA_SPAIN_20/Product_Catalogue/Products/Consumer_Phones/N-Series/N900/image/n900.png | 13:21 |
| _berto_ | yes, special offer | 13:21 |
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| _berto_ | it comes also with a bluetooth headset | 13:21 |
| ShadowJK | The first orders in USA had a special offer and came with a bluetooth headset | 13:22 |
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| ShadowJK | Dunno if anyone actually received a bluetooth headset :) | 13:22 |
| ShadowJK | or it was headphones, I think | 13:22 |
| _berto_ | we ordered a lot here and all of them come with it | 13:22 |
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| smaug | how do I install .deb files on N900? | 13:37 |
| * smaug doesn't use debian based systems | 13:37 | |
| jpe__ | shadowJK:ok, got openssh installed and working, thanks for help ! | 13:37 |
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| moo-_- | smaug: go to terminal, dpkg -i file.deb | 13:46 |
| smaug | now I need to figure out where I downloaded the files :) | 13:47 |
| smaug | moo-_-: where is Documentit directory? | 13:47 |
| moo-_- | there is hidden MyDocs/.documents | 13:48 |
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| * moo-_- can't stand arrogant behavior and sneezes towards some random channel members | 13:49 | |
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| anidel | hello everyone | 13:52 |
| RST38h | mooo anidel | 13:52 |
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| anidel | hi RST38h | 13:53 |
| anidel | anyone here goot at GTK and GTK UI Manager (GTK toolbars) ? | 13:54 |
| anidel | :( | 13:54 |
| anidel | I shall ask to maemo-developers I think.. | 13:54 |
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| RST38h | what is the question? | 13:55 |
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| anidel | I use an XML file to specify the toolbar(s) in Xournal | 13:55 |
| anidel | I do have this action "Color" that right now shows either the stock color button or a themed icon and clicking on it shows the color picker | 13:56 |
| anidel | fine... | 13:56 |
| anidel | but I don't like that icon and I want to use the (deprecated) HildonColorButton instead | 13:56 |
| anidel | issue is.. I don't think I can specifiy that in the XML or in the GtkActionEntry struct | 13:57 |
| jaem | oh hi, anidel | 13:57 |
| lcuk | anidel, you seen the liq* color selection dialog http://liqbase.net/sheep/sheepdrawing_colorselect.JPG | 13:57 |
| anidel | Yesterday I removed the Color action from the XML file and inserted the GtkToolItem into the GtkToolbar manually in the code.. worked, but wanted something more.. configurable | 13:57 |
| anidel | lcuk: no.. let me see | 13:58 |
| anidel | lcuk: doesn't seem "hildonized" | 13:58 |
| anidel | My real issue is that I want the Color button to be at a particular position in the Toolbar.. so I was thinking to add the Color action in the XML, then look for it in the toolbar and substitute it with HildonColorButton, but I can't find a way to do it... | 13:59 |
| anidel | and why the heck they deprecated the HildonColorButton is they use it in Sketch ? | 14:00 |
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| lcuk | anidel, of course its not hildonized, its been liquified | 14:02 |
| anidel | actually, the Maemo 5 guidelines even say not use Toolbars at all :D | 14:02 |
| anidel | lcuk: :p | 14:02 |
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| jaem | anidel, what do they suggest using, then? | 14:02 |
| nhg | anyone used the faad package for aac decoding in Maemo? | 14:02 |
| anidel | jaem: nothing. | 14:03 |
| anidel | The toolbar in sketch doesn't look like a normal GtkToolbar unless they tweak it changing icon size, and spacing | 14:03 |
| nhg | I just downloaded it from maemo.org/packages and installed it but my gst-inspect doesn't show any faad elements | 14:03 |
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| anidel | the UI guys in Barcelona told me Xournal icons in the toolbar are too close to each other and not "finger friendly". | 14:04 |
| anidel | right now I can fit 10, they say 7 is already a high number :) | 14:04 |
| anidel | Anyway.. the main issue is to put my own ColorButton in there but still using the XML file. | 14:06 |
| anidel | at least as a placeholder | 14:07 |
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| lcuk | but your app is geared for stylus use is it not, a little higher wouldnt cause so much pain would it? | 14:07 |
| anidel | selecting the tools has to be finger friendly.. I think they are, but they say it is not really... | 14:07 |
| anidel | then you use it with the stylus | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | who would drop the stylus to select icons with fingers, than take up stylus again? | 14:09 |
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| * redi dislikes using stylus | 14:10 | |
| lcuk | stylus is good for note taking | 14:10 |
| lcuk | and more accurate for many things | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/than/then | 14:11 |
| anidel | Doc: many people don't drop the stylus, but simply change its position in hand and use the finger | 14:11 |
| lcuk | many people just use the stylus on the big buttons | 14:12 |
| lcuk | they really dont switch between finger and stylus do they? | 14:12 |
| lcuk | "omg a finger button, quick cant use stylus" | 14:12 |
| redi | lcuk: had the n900 a proper screen you wouldnt need stylus :P | 14:12 |
| redi | you use virtual keyboard for taking notes? | 14:12 |
| lcuk | redi i stopped finger painting when i was young (on something so small) | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | i take actual written notes | 14:13 |
| lcuk | lots of them | 14:13 |
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| redi | I do too, but I prefer the keyboard to the virtual one | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's called handwriting, not fingerwriting | 14:13 |
| redi | ah actual written, now I understood | 14:13 |
| anidel | they're not writing with the finger... but still use it even if they are holding the stylus | 14:13 |
| anidel | even I do that | 14:14 |
| anidel | it's automatic | 14:14 |
| redi | oh well, I actually hate writing too :) | 14:14 |
| anidel | like when you're writing with the pen and switch to the keyboard or mouse | 14:14 |
| anidel | you still hold your pen | 14:14 |
| redi | I put the stylus into my mouth | 14:14 |
| redi | and look retarded | 14:14 |
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| redi | or then I misplace it and curse when I cant find it again x) | 14:14 |
| redi | I guess it's a preference matter, I never felt like needing stylus for anything on iPhone screen, but on N900 it's not that accurate | 14:15 |
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| pupnik | vmplayer keeps locking numlock here. | 14:16 |
| nhg | just installed "faad" package from maemo.org/packages on my dev board but when I do a gst-inspect I dont see any "faad" components. does anyone know if that is a gstreamer plugin? | 14:16 |
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| jpe__ | anyone now how i can emulate function keys in the xterminal ? | 14:24 |
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| ruskie | jpe__, maybe add them to the xterm bar? search for gconftool on t.m.o | 14:28 |
| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/16/fuse_concept/ <-- hmm can imagine this... trying to talk on the phone and you wipe across it with your finger on the back and it hangs up... | 14:29 |
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| kkol | can one catch the camera lid opening and closing event on n900? | 14:42 |
| jpe__ | ruskie:ok, i'll try that one | 14:42 |
| tru | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1916328/using-ossolog-in-scratchbox-maemo-development | 14:44 |
| tru | if anyone know the answer I would appriciate input :) | 14:44 |
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| adeus | maybe to the serial console | 14:46 |
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| tru | in scratchbox? | 14:47 |
| anidel | Ordered my discounted N900... | 14:48 |
| jebba | morn | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | morning jebba | 14:48 |
| kkol | tru: /var/log/syslog | 14:48 |
| tru | kkol: very empty. | 14:48 |
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| Stskeeps | install sysklogd | 14:49 |
| kkol | tru: first install klogd and syslogd | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | or whatever the name is | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kkol: iirc I've seen slider open and close events in dmesg. No idea which dbus signal to wait for though | 14:52 |
| kkol | alrighty | 14:52 |
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| jebba | ya, need to install syslogd/klogd for it to start logging there like Stskeeps says | 14:53 |
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| tru | and then compile with OSSOLOG_SYSLOG and it should work? | 14:54 |
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| joppu | Could someone kindly check if the conversations is black-on-white in the theme "Reflect" | 14:55 |
| joppu | from extras-devel | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kkol: dbus-monitor --system might help (slider) | 14:56 |
| tru | kkol: do I need to start syslogd in some way as well? | 14:58 |
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| kkol | tru: try /etc/init.d/klogd restart | 15:00 |
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| kkol | or reboot :) | 15:01 |
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| kkol | DocScrutinizer51: looks like "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_cam_shutter" | 15:02 |
| tru | kkol: are we still talking about scratchbox here? | 15:02 |
| kkol | tru: oh sorry :) | 15:02 |
| kkol | in that case, no need to reboot | 15:03 |
| manuelse | i can not place calls or use internat :( | 15:03 |
| manuelse | but i get calls | 15:03 |
| manuelse | anone here try n900 with tschibo prepaid? | 15:04 |
| manuelse | it looks like there is problem with putting credits on the account | 15:05 |
| manuelse | it might need some gsm extension!? | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | manuelse: dialer doesn't take '*123#' alike codes | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | manuelse: known bug | 15:06 |
| range | bug 5357 | 15:06 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# | 15:06 |
| manuelse | hehe | 15:06 |
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| tru | kkol: ah, yay. the log ended up in the host systems /var/log/syslog not in the scratchbox file! | 15:08 |
| kkol | alright! | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | manuelse: for now your best option probably is to use an old featurephone if you need those codes | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | manuelse: of course just to manage the account. then swap SIM back to N900 | 15:09 |
| ruskie | hmm don't they offer a free number to call without needing the codes? | 15:10 |
| ruskie | I know when I was on pre-paid I could dial a number and got a vocie menu and could top it up that way | 15:10 |
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| ruskie | usually something like 123 might work | 15:10 |
| manuelse | thank you DocScrutinizer51 | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 15:11 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | ruskie: some do, some don't | 15:16 |
| ruskie | well always worth a try | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | never tested tschibo. Heard they're weird in quite some respects | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | it's a discount reseller of cheapest poorest net Eplus we got here, iirc | 15:19 |
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| hrw | morning | 15:29 |
| joppu | good afternoon | 15:30 |
| * SpeedEvil1 ponders new meme. | 15:30 | |
| SpeedEvil1 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4192044615/ | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil1 | maemo snows! | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil1, maemo weather | 15:32 |
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| Macer | dollhouse is ghost in the shell | 15:33 |
| Macer | minus the cyborg part | 15:33 |
| frals | id take a picture showing the weather here in stockholm, but id be nothing but white | 15:34 |
| ruskie | :) | 15:34 |
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| epa | In maemo conference I recall seeing a program that shows countdown time in big friendly numbers. Does anyone recall the name of the application? | 15:35 |
| ruskie | countdown widget ? | 15:36 |
| epa | hmm could it be so simple... :) | 15:36 |
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| ruskie | no clue | 15:37 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: ping | 15:37 |
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| jebba | packet dropped | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | any info about numptyphysics? Throws stderr "failed to create user dir" here, and opens up an empty paper with a falling "accelerometer test" | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: strace :) | 15:44 |
| Flandry | hahaha segfaulted scratchbox with a grep command | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: hmm. quite obvious, yeah | 15:45 |
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| flux | ..where can one get strace for n900?-o | 15:46 |
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| FalseMessiah | hi guyz | 15:47 |
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| FalseMessiah | are there any issues with garage's svn? | 15:48 |
| hrw | bye | 15:48 |
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| Flandry | runs on a 8086 processor | 15:49 |
| ruskie | :) | 15:49 |
| FalseMessiah | more like a z80 :P | 15:49 |
| ruskie | most of the world does that | 15:49 |
| ruskie | atleast for servers and computers :) | 15:49 |
| FalseMessiah | 8086 is different than a 80x86 right? | 15:50 |
| ruskie | probably still has some semblance somewhere | 15:51 |
| ruskie | my computing history is a tad dodgy lately | 15:51 |
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| FalseMessiah | but really this slow as ... https://garage.maemo.org/svn/conboy/trunk/conboy/ | 15:52 |
| FalseMessiah | s/this/this is as/ .. | 15:52 |
| ruskie | t also lent its last two digits to Intel's later extended versions of the design, such as the 286 and the 386, all of which eventually became known as the x86 family. | 15:52 |
| FalseMessiah | yeah but the architecture is totally differnt | 15:53 |
| ruskie | no | 15:54 |
| ruskie | hmm | 15:54 |
| ruskie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86 | 15:54 |
| ruskie | still wits in the x86 architercture | 15:54 |
| FalseMessiah | memory management | 15:55 |
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| ruskie | extension :) | 15:55 |
| ruskie | remove all the extensions and you end up with the 8086 most likely | 15:56 |
| ruskie | anyway afk | 15:56 |
| Arkenoi | yes, you can run 8086 programs on any modern intel x86 cpu | 15:56 |
| derf | I wonder if that's actually tested. | 15:57 |
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| lardman | cu later chaps | 15:58 |
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| epa | it seemed to be stopish | 15:58 |
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| FalseMessiah | yeah i am trying to checkout conboy from transifex | 15:59 |
| FalseMessiah | but i cannot | 15:59 |
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| jpe__ | maybe a stupid question, but is it normal that with every stylus touch, i feel a small battery vibration ? | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 16:04 |
| flux | jpe__, it is a configurable setting | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | there's a setting for it | 16:04 |
| jpe__ | i am just checking, but don't seem to find it... | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | Touch screen vibration or something i think it's called | 16:05 |
| jpe__ | yes, just switched it off.. | 16:05 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: mxr hosted on same hosting/machines as maemo.org in general? | 16:07 |
| manuelse | oki yes the trick is first put sim into a normal phone and do the *# stuff | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: no | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | mxr is on dreamhost | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: hm, ok | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | all mxr gets from maemo.org is a dns pointer | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | tried to do a search for "/home/user" (without quotes) and it took ages :P | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: why? | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | without output, so was wondering | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: yeah so | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | that's glimpse | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | you asked for home + user + join | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | on an incredibly large index | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | if you gave it a file filter, it'd be a lot faster | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | or something considerably more unique... | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=JSInlineFrame takes roughly 16 'counts' here | 16:10 |
| timeless_mbp | make that 5 counts | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | searching for "newsp" is also vaguely ok, even though it has 629 lines and 179 files | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i could probably add an animation if it'd make you feel better :) | 16:12 |
| timeless_mbp | i wonder if i can detect that your string "sucks" and warn about it | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: apt-get install strace | 16:14 |
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| flux | docscrutinizer51, thanks! | 16:16 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: how much of the docs have you read? | 16:16 |
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| ZackMorris | hello everyone | 16:16 |
| ZackMorris | I am having a reboot problem on my N900 | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: of the docs of what precisely? | 16:16 |
| timeless_mbp | maemo5 | 16:17 |
| ZackMorris | if you check talk.maemo.org you can see I've been posting about it quite a bit since yesterday morning | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: quite few | 16:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | ZackMorris: well, if you want to rely on tmo, be our guest | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm not going to read tmo if you want help here | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: what's your point? (reading docs) | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | none. i'm just impressed i suppose | 16:25 |
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| Khertan | re | 16:25 |
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| ZackMorris | timeless thats why I came here not much help on TMO | 16:33 |
| Lanta | woooo xchat on my n900 | 16:33 |
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| ZackMorris | my N900 is bricked and I am unable to flash the eMMC | 16:34 |
| ZackMorris | only starts up in R&D mode | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Lanta: enjoy :-) | 16:34 |
| ZackMorris | as soon as I put the battery in, it just powers up immediately and goes thru non-stop reboot cycles | 16:35 |
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| ZackMorris | if in R&D mode I hold in the power button, it will boot up, but when I go to shut it off it will shutdown, and go back to the same reboot cycle | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | so, there's an rd flag that causes it to turn on immediately iiuc | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | you probably don't want that flag? | 16:35 |
| ZackMorris | it's not in just R&D mode | 16:36 |
| ZackMorris | production or rd it just starts immediately if i put the battery in | 16:36 |
| andre__ | ZackMorris, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 | 16:36 |
| povbot | Bug 6350: getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them | 16:36 |
| ZackMorris | andre__ thanks for your help on bugzilla | 16:36 |
| andre__ | and related https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 (no need for more comments there though) :-P | 16:36 |
| povbot | Bug 6334: random HW watchdog reboots (/proc/bootreason contains "32wd_to") | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: uk up :) | 16:36 |
| andre__ | np | 16:36 |
| mgedmin | ZackMorris, what do you mean by "unable to flash the eMMC"? | 16:36 |
| ZackMorris | but if use the workaround it still doesn't resolve | 16:37 |
| ZackMorris | mgedmin while running flasher | 16:37 |
| ZackMorris | it will detect the device | 16:37 |
| ZackMorris | then when it goes to flash the device it says, unable to find the device | 16:37 |
| mgedmin | why eMMC, though? bricking is usually fixed by flashing the rootfs | 16:37 |
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| ZackMorris | I have flashed the rootfs | 16:38 |
| ZackMorris | with both the US fw and the global fw | 16:38 |
| * lcuk wants to strange the person that started using "bricked" to mean something that it wasnt | 16:38 | |
| ZackMorris | same results as soon as I unplug the usb, it starts rebooting again | 16:38 |
| mgedmin | yeah | 16:38 |
| Lanta | i love all of you. lol | 16:38 |
| Lanta | is freenode still under attack? | 16:38 |
| mgedmin | haven't seen any splits lately | 16:39 |
| manuelse | isps have reduced the damage at least | 16:39 |
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| mgedmin | http://announce.freenode.net/ doesn't have any recent updates | 16:39 |
| mgedmin | nor the blog, nor identica | 16:39 |
| jpe__ | have some probs with contacts, previously saved on the sim, now some seem to appear with the second name and contain a /M at the end | 16:40 |
| manuelse | qtnx is exciting! hopefully i can get full PC control from N900 soon. Over the umts | 16:40 |
| jpe__ | s/with second name/without second name/ | 16:40 |
| * mgedmin is scared by ZackMorris's story | 16:41 | |
| ZackMorris | Andre you asked me on bugzilla what does "df -h" say , how do I find that information out | 16:42 |
| ZackMorris | mgedmin my issue started when I plugged in the wall charger, it acted as if the device was charging however as soon as I removed the charger it said battery low | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | assuming you can boot it (in rd mode) and launch an xterm (or ssh in), type "df -h" in the shell session | 16:42 |
| ZackMorris | ok let me try that | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | ah, heard that one too -- also kinda scary | 16:42 |
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| ZackMorris | I kept having that issue for the day, and so I used an external battery charger for my battery, I put the battery back in, opened up xterm | 16:43 |
| ZackMorris | and as soon as I did it crashed | 16:43 |
| ZackMorris | and started this reboot process that I cannot escape | 16:43 |
| ZackMorris | also if I press symbol/ctrl or the down arrow keys the screen fades out with horizontal lines and goes blank, keyboard stays lit, only way to shut off is to remove battery | 16:45 |
| ZackMorris | on xterm if I go to it | 16:45 |
| ZackMorris | as I just did and pressed the buttons | 16:45 |
| ZackMorris | it just went blank as I described | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | is that "horizontal lines like in a software bug" or "horizontal lines like in a hardware fault"? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Lanta: seems that's the answer to your Q | 16:46 |
| ZackMorris | its as the screen is powering off | 16:46 |
| ZackMorris | it slowly fades away leaving some horizontal lines then eventually nothing | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | I remember my laptop doing that | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | video driver bug that was | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | disabled the video card output without turning off backlight or something | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | actually I'm clueless | 16:48 |
| manuelse | i saw something like that on other lcds also | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that could actually be both sw and hw bug | 16:48 |
| manuelse | 770 as well | 16:48 |
| ZackMorris | im going to try xterm again | 16:48 |
| ZackMorris | see if can actually run anything | 16:48 |
| manuelse | it went strange color, slow fade | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | do you have ssh-server? | 16:48 |
| ZackMorris | if i hit the shift key | 16:49 |
| ZackMorris | it fades the screen out | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. probably best to try and ssh into device | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | ZackMorris, sounds like a hardware problem | 16:49 |
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| ZackMorris | whats the easiest way to open up a ssh | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | damaged ribbon connecting the lcd to the motherboard? when you flex the device (by pushing the keyboard), the contact breaks? | 16:50 |
| ZackMorris | weird the phone has gone thru no abuse whatsoever | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: not necesserily hwbug. A nasty kernel oops could probably cause similar behaviour | 16:51 |
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| ZackMorris | I want to try and resolve the issue before I send it back in, because none are in stock and who knows when I'll get another | 16:51 |
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| ZackMorris | have a meeting in 30 min, but afterwards would anyone like to walk thru with me ssh'ing into my device to try and help please? | 16:55 |
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| mgedmin | in 30 min? plenty of time | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | unless you need to prepare or something | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | q: do you have ssh-server installed? | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | and do you know the IP address of you nokia | 16:55 |
| ZackMorris | not on my device no | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | and what OS do you use on your laptop/desktop | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | ah | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | can you install apps? | 16:55 |
| ZackMorris | ill see if i can | 16:56 |
| mgedmin | actually, about the screen going blank when you press shift -- does this happen in xterm only, or in any app? | 16:56 |
| ZackMorris | just checked, even on bootup screen | 16:56 |
| ZackMorris | it will do that | 16:56 |
| * mgedmin still thinks it's a hw problem | 16:57 | |
| mgedmin | so, if you can install apps, install Open SSH Server | 16:57 |
| ZackMorris | i notice that those keys are near the usb slot | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | it will ask you to set a root password | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | type something in | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | then find out the IP address -- there's a "Personal IP address" applet you can add to the desktop | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | then on your desktop: ssh root@192.168.x.y where that's your IP address -- if you use Linux; if you use Windows, download PuTTY.exe (google it) | 16:58 |
| AndrewFBlack | Khertan, did py2deb righ | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | but it may be simpler to use xterm and the on-screen virtual keyboard to get the output of 'df -h' that you wanted for your bug report | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | so I suggest that first | 16:58 |
| ZackMorris | ok lets try that | 16:59 |
| Khertan | Someone call me ? | 16:59 |
| Khertan | AndrewFBlack: yep ? | 17:00 |
| ZackMorris | worked | 17:00 |
| ZackMorris | what am I looking for on the report? | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | do you have any free space in / | 17:00 |
| ZackMorris | yes nothing is used over 100% | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | that'll be the "Available" column for the first filesystem (rootfs mounted on /) | 17:01 |
| ZackMorris | 82.5 available | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | then lack of disk space can be ruled out as a reason for your reboot loop | 17:01 |
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| ZackMorris | brb | 17:02 |
| cpscotti | Here I am again.. some people there willing to test a fun app and vote for it? Its AccDisplay, View/Record/Playback accelerometer's raw data in a graphical manner. It already got 6 votes. | 17:02 |
| cpscotti | Link to vote: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/accdisplay/1.0/ | 17:02 |
| AndrewFBlack | Khertan, trying to build a package using it in users/system but its saying it doesn´t know that section anyway around it? | 17:03 |
| anidel | for whoever is still wondering if GeneralAntilles is real: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxT-vMcDag&feature=related | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | AndrewFBlack, it's "user/system", not "users/system" | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | see http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing#Sections | 17:04 |
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| mgedmin | (assuming I understood your question correctly) | 17:05 |
| AndrewFBlack | mgedmin, s was just a typo in my comment here I have it right in py2deb file | 17:05 |
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| siriusnova | cpscotti | 17:07 |
| siriusnova | new app? :> | 17:07 |
| ZackMorris | ok should I proceed with ssh download? | 17:07 |
| cpscotti | siriusnova: yes.. | 17:07 |
| siriusnova | cool | 17:07 |
| ZackMorris | OpenSSH Client yes? | 17:07 |
| siriusnova | thx for making it | 17:07 |
| ZackMorris | ill get the client and server | 17:08 |
| siriusnova | you know what would be cool cpscotti | 17:08 |
| siriusnova | for the app | 17:08 |
| siriusnova | if when you playback your accelerometer your N900 would do the exact same thing thats in the data | 17:08 |
| siriusnova | :D | 17:08 |
| siriusnova | so if you threw it up | 17:08 |
| siriusnova | it would jump up by itself again | 17:08 |
| AndrewFBlack | Khertan, is it because I´m using my n810 and py2deb to build my package for n900 is that why sections are not right | 17:08 |
| siriusnova | hehehee | 17:08 |
| cpscotti | hahhahaha | 17:08 |
| cpscotti | lol | 17:08 |
| cpscotti | LOL! | 17:09 |
| cpscotti | I made the app at first to help everyone out there (including me) that is wondering what you can and what you cannot do with the accelerometers | 17:09 |
| ZackMorris | ok installed | 17:09 |
| cpscotti | since you can playback in slow motion and all.. you can really understand how it all works | 17:10 |
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| ZackMorris | where would the IP Applet be located/ | 17:10 |
| ZackMorris | ? | 17:10 |
| jebba | cpscotti: how *does* the accelerometer work internally though? You got a link for the chip or anything? I dont quite get it (not the software, but how it detects movement) | 17:11 |
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| jpjokela | How many "maemo light saber" programs we already have? :-) | 17:11 |
| jpjokela | That seems to be generally the most common "use case" on other platforms anyway... | 17:12 |
| jebba | i only saw one, but it lagged a ton | 17:12 |
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| ZackMorris | is there a command in xterm to find out ip address of the device? | 17:12 |
| cpscotti | jebba: well.. wikipedia helps in that way. | 17:12 |
| cpscotti | =/ | 17:13 |
| manuelse | i would like to be able to specify anamorphic ratio in playback of video because some videos are not correct | 17:15 |
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| cpscotti | well.. if you have 3 very tiny weight measuring things around a tiny mass.. you get an accelerometer | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | jpjokela: Only light sabre app I know is khertan's prototype | 17:15 |
| Khertan | jpjokela: and mine doesn't work well | 17:16 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:16 |
| Khertan | AndrewFBlack: yep ... ... edit the section ... or use the py2deb version in the fremantle repository :) | 17:16 |
| * fnordianslip thinks of the darwin awards and the two people with burning petrol-filled light-tubes whenever someone mentions light sabres | 17:16 | |
| jebba | cool. so it is just a very very little physical object moving around (micromachine). Heh. | 17:17 |
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| sivang | hey jebba | 17:18 |
| sivang | and all, how's this day going on you ?:) | 17:18 |
| jebba | going well hey sivang | 17:18 |
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| cpscotti | jebba: yeah.. and that's very annoying bc when you see the chip, its so.. so.. static.. | 17:22 |
| cpscotti | haha | 17:22 |
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| manuelse | ubuntu sdk renamed my .tgz file to .cbp on copy | 17:27 |
| manuelse | it renamed a .tgz to a 'comic book' format | 17:27 |
| jebba | .cbp ? thats a new one to me | 17:27 |
| jebba | hahaha | 17:27 |
| jebba | well, ubuntu is smarter than you,no? | 17:27 |
| manuelse | this is a apocryphal ubuntu story | 17:28 |
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| bobbyd | hi | 17:30 |
| manuelse | no it did worse. it corrupted the file | 17:30 |
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| bobbyd | is there any way to see which bugs are targeted for which relelase in maemo? | 17:30 |
| manuelse | ubuntu is the sickest thing i have ever seen since touching windows | 17:30 |
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| bobbyd | and is bugs.maemo.org the official bug database for maemo? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | how's the countryside, wazd_n800? | 17:32 |
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| manuelse | yes bobbyd it is | 17:33 |
| cpscotti | manuelse: don't say that! | 17:33 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Khertan, when using py2deb on n900I get an error on seccond an Iĺl get it for you | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: (accel) it's a lis302. I'm sure on wiki.openmoko.org you find quite some details, and link to datasheet | 17:34 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, heh, internet is frozen just like everything else :D | 17:34 |
| Khertan | AndrewFBlack: ? | 17:34 |
| bobbyd | manuelse: cool | 17:34 |
| Khertan | AndrewFBlack: which errors ? | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: i'm stuck in f*cking denmark due to snow too | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:34 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, only can run irc( | 17:34 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, how's your thesis?) | 17:35 |
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| Khertan | AndrewFBlack: py2deb is builded by himself ... | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: handed it in and not thinking of it for at least half a month | 17:35 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, cool) | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: the most intriguing thing about lis302 is the programmable IRQ, as on a system like N900 you usually do not want like 100 or even 400 data transmissions / second that would keep the CPU active all the time | 17:37 |
| AndrewFBlack | strange I get an error with py2deb using xterm but if i ssh in it is working | 17:37 |
| AndrewFBlack | does that make any sense? | 17:37 |
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| KMFDM | the newest version of ubuntu is indeed pathetic somehow since gutsy they've managed to decrease quality with each release | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah they are close to reaching their goal: linux for windoze noobs | 17:40 |
| KMFDM | you mean as many bugs as windows | 17:41 |
| wazd_n800 | that's not ubuntu channel | 17:41 |
| anidel | Hi guys, videos from Barcelona Maemo event (Maemo-Barcelona Lond Weekend / UX Meets Code) can be found here : http://www.youtube.com/user/nokiadevforum | 17:41 |
| wazd_n800 | linux fanboing next door | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and as few ways for user to tailor system to his prefs as in windoze | 17:41 |
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| hrw | hi | 17:43 |
| Laiska | KMFDM: Concur, I'm quite dissapointed with Karmic.. | 17:43 |
| jebba | thx anidel | 17:43 |
| Laiska | Jaunty was A-ok, had no complaints | 17:43 |
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| KMFDM | i honestly haven't upgraded since hardy, but that drive crashed on me and i have a karmic disc ready but i haven't had the time yet to tackle it | 17:45 |
| anidel | jebba: welcome.. don't look at mine :( | 17:45 |
| jebba | heh | 17:45 |
| anidel | i.e. don't watch it :P | 17:45 |
| KMFDM | as last time i installed hardy it took 24 hours to get all my hardware working right (when it all worked fine in gutsy) | 17:45 |
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| KMFDM | i'm working from a ibex machine at the moment which is ok except for a sound issue, but it is my system at work so I'm not really concerned about it | 17:46 |
| Laiska | Oh, just a rant but happened to pop in to my mind.. it would be cool if one could bind the "swipe left" to ctrl + p and "swipe right" to ctrl + n.. so that in Irssi one could flick trough channels | 17:47 |
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| qos | hey guys. what is this for? RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | A general tool to set up kbd shortcuts would be cool indeed | 17:50 |
| qos | in n8x0 series devices there was just one firmware | 17:50 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, remind me how to turn on cursor please :) | 17:52 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, nm | 17:52 |
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| Stskeeps | ctrl-shift-x | 17:53 |
| _berto_ | qos: where did you get that ? | 17:53 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, yep) | 17:53 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, vm runs hella slow on my poor laptop) | 17:54 |
| qos | _berto_, its availible in the fireware download location. why? | 17:54 |
| _berto_ | didn't see that :) | 17:54 |
| _berto_ | qos: it's for the internal memory card | 17:54 |
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| qos | _berto_, purpose? | 17:55 |
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| _berto_ | qos: format and reset the original contents | 17:55 |
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| _berto_ | user guides, probably wallpapers, maps, ... | 17:55 |
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| _berto_ | everything that comes under /home/user when you first boot the device | 17:56 |
| mgedmin | waaah! | 17:57 |
| qos | _berto_, i guess you don't need it if you didn't modified that. to just reset the device to delivery condition the normal firmware should do the job, right? | 17:57 |
| mgedmin | gPodder doesn't hook into the backup app and doesn't remember my subscriptions! | 17:57 |
| AndrewFBlack | _berto_, seems more people are having the netwok connection error I´m having | 17:57 |
| _berto_ | qos: yes, if you do that you'll lose all your personal files | 17:57 |
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| _berto_ | AndrewFBlack: hmmm, I'll try to think how we can debug that | 17:59 |
| AndrewFBlack | _berto_, thanks | 17:59 |
| _berto_ | AndrewFBlack: n8x0 or n900 ? | 17:59 |
| AndrewFBlack | n900 I can try it on n810 as well | 17:59 |
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| _berto_ | that would help, although in theory you should get the same error in both cases | 18:00 |
| ml-mobile | whee, 24h of uptime with no reboots | 18:02 |
| ShadowJK | mgedmin: bugzilla it? :) | 18:02 |
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| mgedmin | waaah, bugzilla love needed! | 18:03 |
| _berto_ | qos: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | when I'm looking at https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Extras or https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gPodder, there's no link to search for all bugs reported for this product :( | 18:04 |
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| qos | _berto_, wow what a service! thx | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | andre__, any chance of improving that? | 18:04 |
| RST38h | andre: Do you by any chance know where I can find jeremiah or X-fade? | 18:05 |
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| RST38h | Oh, wait, the problem miraculously fixed itself! | 18:06 |
| RST38h | Speccy 1.6.1 goes into Extras. | 18:07 |
| RST38h | Vulture's Eye 0.2.100 goes into Extras | 18:08 |
| andre__ | RST38h, sorry, no... (we work remote and don't share offices :-P ) | 18:08 |
| RST38h | andre: I guess one of them heard my prayers and fixed missing libpulse0 dependency | 18:08 |
| andre__ | mgedmin, it's a good idea. can you file a report against Bugzilla in bugzilla, please? | 18:08 |
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| vanksi | any news on stable vpnc for n900? | 18:09 |
| * mgedmin also very unhappy that keyboard typeahed doesn't work in chromium for selecting the product in https://bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi | 18:10 | |
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| mgedmin | bug 5636 already reported | 18:10 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5636 gPodder settings (Preferences, Subscription list...) not backed up by Nokia Backup tool | 18:10 |
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| ifreq | anyone got scr shot how droid fonts look on nopp desktop? | 18:11 |
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| mgedmin | what's "nopp"? | 18:11 |
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| ifreq | its lag | 18:12 |
| ifreq | its n900 without fn.. *g* | 18:12 |
| AbstractW | wow. | 18:12 |
| AbstractW | amazon still hasn't shipped my phone. | 18:12 |
| AbstractW | Ordered 3 days ago, still not shipped >< | 18:13 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows if Enigma is optified??? | 18:13 |
| RST38h | AbstractW: Is this supposed to be amazing in some way? | 18:13 |
| ifreq | nope | 18:13 |
| * RST38h fails to see the significance | 18:13 | |
| zash | Random question: Is Vim usable with the N900 keyboard?= | 18:13 |
| AbstractW | RST38h: Not really, I'm just bitching. | 18:13 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | RST38: don't install it - it'll make you INSENA! | 18:14 |
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| * RST38h is already INSENA | 18:14 | |
| RST38h | Too late fixing that | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | It's mostly working for straight gameplay - but the control is broken | 18:14 |
| greenfly | zash: it's not too bad | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | control settings | 18:14 |
| RST38h | oh | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | and it grabs mouse seemingly, whihc _really_ confuses stuff | 18:15 |
| RST38h | probably still assumes that homemade control stick | 18:15 |
| zash | greenfly: how so? | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38: Sitting down with the thing clutched to your chest, and _teeny_ movements is required on most levels :) | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Fun though. | 18:15 |
| RST38h | Aha | 18:15 |
| Sargun_Screen | Can I import contact files on the Ovi thing | 18:16 |
| * RST38h still needs to figure out how he should break Extras submission rules to make FBReader update properly | 18:16 | |
| RST38h | Should probably place libzlibrary into user/libs ... | 18:16 |
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| Sargun_Screen | FBReader? | 18:17 |
| greenfly | zash: I'm not quite sure how to answer that | 18:17 |
| greenfly | zash: it works mostly how you'd expect vim to work with a thumb keyboard | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | zash, I use vim with the n900 keyboard | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | not as much yet as I've used it with the n810 | 18:17 |
| greenfly | obviously things like ^ and $ will be a little harder to hit | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | but it's quite usable | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | with a few mappings to help | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | see http://mg.pov.lt/vimrc-n900 | 18:18 |
| zash | :) | 18:18 |
| Sargun_Screen | How do I import contacts onto my device? | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, that's what upstream does | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | I always thought it was a misunderstanding | 18:19 |
| Sargun_Screen | the N900 isn't compatible with my Outlook implemtnation (Zimbra) | 18:19 |
| zash | anyone happen to know if/how much iphone + ssh + vim sucks? | 18:19 |
| RST38h | "We can't say we've ever heard of a $26 Russian program called SkyGrabber before, but it's about to get famous real fast -- according to the Wall Street Journal, Iraqi insurgents have been regularly using the satellite-snooping software to monitor live Predator video feeds." | 18:19 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: It is a workaround :) | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | The sat-feeds are unencrypted | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | zash, not really, but iphone's screen resolution is much lower, isn't it? | 18:19 |
| Sargun_Screen | SpeedEvil: Yup. | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | And go over commercial nets | 18:19 |
| RST38h | Which btw means that Pentagon has done nothing for the last 6-8 years to encrypt this crap | 18:19 |
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| Sargun_Screen | SpeedEvil: Well, sometimes they do mediocre crypto. | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | The C&C goes over the encrypted nets | 18:20 |
| Micha_ | Anybody interested in testing a small app? mwTube 0.0.2 in extras-devel Desktop. Shows current London Tube status. | 18:20 |
| AbstractW | Sargun_Screen: Zimbra doesn't use all the 2007 stuff. | 18:20 |
| Sargun_Screen | AbstractW: Anyways, the N900 wont sync | 18:20 |
| Sargun_Screen | AbstractW: So, how do I get my contacts into my n90? | 18:21 |
| wazd_n800 | switchhing to secure frequency now | 18:21 |
| el_zilcho | i used PC Suite | 18:21 |
| AbstractW | Can you sync locally, with outlook? | 18:21 |
| el_zilcho | from a windows box | 18:21 |
| Sargun_Screen | AbstractW: I don't have a windows box. | 18:21 |
| el_zilcho | and loaded it from a backup | 18:21 |
| AbstractW | Sargun_Screen: Then how are you using outlook? | 18:21 |
| el_zilcho | me neither, i had to use one at work :) | 18:21 |
| Sargun_Screen | AbstractW: Zimbra. | 18:21 |
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| AbstractW | Oh, zimbra client. I thought you meant zimbra as the server. | 18:22 |
| el_zilcho | or if you've got a windows VM | 18:22 |
| Sargun_Screen | Yeah, Zimbra is the client...and server.... | 18:22 |
| el_zilcho | i don't think pc suite works under wine | 18:22 |
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| AbstractW | Windows VM is about your only choice, Sargun_Screen. Outlook on your Windows VM to your Zimbra server. | 18:22 |
| AbstractW | You may be able to export your contacts as .vcf files, and go that way. | 18:23 |
| Sargun_Screen | Alright, how do I stuff VCFs into my N900? | 18:23 |
| AbstractW | Thats beyond me. I still don't have my N900 yet :P | 18:23 |
| AbstractW | Goal is to get scratchbox up and running today. | 18:24 |
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| Sargun_Screen | Ooh, have fun! | 18:26 |
| AndrewFBlack | _berto_, your right same error on my n810 and on multiple networks | 18:27 |
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| mgedmin | andre__, filed as bug 7080 | 18:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7080 Simplify searching for a bug in the selected product | 18:28 |
| andre__ | thanks | 18:28 |
| _berto_ | AndrewFBlack: can you file a bug at garage.maemo.org/projects/vagalume | 18:29 |
| _berto_ | ? | 18:29 |
| AndrewFBlack | sure can | 18:30 |
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| AndrewFBlack | that is if garage is playing nice today lol | 18:30 |
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| _berto_ | thanks | 18:31 |
| _berto_ | yes, good luck with that | 18:32 |
| revnil | can anyone tell me if it is possible to reset the n900 including the security code? I talked to nokia care and they want me to send the thing to Palco to get fixed | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | security code - you mean the lock? | 18:32 |
| revnil | yep | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | 12345 is the default lock code | 18:32 |
| revnil | I understand the firmware flash doesn't, but what about emmc | 18:32 |
| revnil | SpeedEvil: I changed it, and apparently forgotten within the span of hours | 18:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | :/ | 18:33 |
| revnil | yep. I'm an idiot.. | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I suggest putting it in the freezer, then taking it out, dipping it in batter, and deep-frying. | 18:33 |
| revnil | but I feel comfortable reflashing the emmc if it fixes the problem | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Youtube this. | 18:33 |
| AbstractW | yaay for waiting for my workstation to restart. Gotta love a 40K page fault delta. | 18:33 |
| revnil | don't tell me that. :( | 18:33 |
| RST38h | goooood idea | 18:33 |
| ZackMorris | ok I've downloaded OPEN SSH CLIENT AND SERVER , where do I find the widget to get the device IP ? | 18:34 |
| AbstractW | ZackMorris: open a terminal. | 18:34 |
| AbstractW | ifconfig | 18:35 |
| FalseMessiah | ZackMorris: you only needed a terminal | 18:35 |
| FalseMessiah | ZackMorris: and there type ifconfig | grep inet | 18:36 |
| FalseMessiah | ZackMorris: and there type: ifconfig | grep inet | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | ZackMorris, or install the "Personal IP Address" app and add it to your desktop | 18:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa / X-Fade : is a splash screen 'graphics'? | 18:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | i.e. what section should i use for my splash screen? | 18:37 |
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| ZackMorris | mgedmin I couldn't find the app for that | 18:38 |
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| mgedmin | maybe you don't have extras-devel in your app manager | 18:38 |
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| ZackMorris | ifconfig didn't work in xterm | 18:39 |
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| mgedmin | that's unpossible | 18:41 |
| ZackMorris | going to add extras-devel catalogue now | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | that's risky | 18:41 |
| ZackMorris | my phone is already bricked | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | (we're kinda obliged to say that whenever we recommend extras-devel for anyone, by peer pressure) | 18:41 |
| ZackMorris | understood | 18:42 |
| ZackMorris | yeah ifconfig isn't working | 18:42 |
| ZackMorris | -sh: ifconfig: not found | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | ah, stupid default $PATH | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | /sbin/ifconfig | 18:42 |
| * mgedmin mumbles more choice words about the default $PATH | 18:42 | |
| mgedmin | ubuntu puts /sbin and /usr/sbin in the default $PATH of every user, which is not very kosher, but is incredibly convenient | 18:43 |
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| ZackMorris | yep $path | 18:44 |
| ZackMorris | ok let me get the ip now | 18:44 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: how did you brick your foone? | 18:44 |
| revnil | so anyone ever flash the emmc? :/ | 18:44 |
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| mgedmin | if your n900 weren't bricked, I'd recommend setting up avahi-daemon so you can ssh using hostname rather than typing addresses | 18:44 |
| Sargun_Screen | hm, how can i get bash on this thing | 18:45 |
| Sargun_Screen | and working bash history | 18:45 |
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| ZackMorris | ok have the ip | 18:46 |
| luke-jr_ | mgedmin: that doesn't require any kind of avahi nonsense :D | 18:46 |
| ZackMorris | jebba on tmo | 18:46 |
| ZackMorris | ive been posting about it | 18:46 |
| ZackMorris | and i can only start in R&D mode | 18:46 |
| ZackMorris | as soon as I shut it off | 18:46 |
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| ZackMorris | it goes right back to the reboot cycle, you've commented on the threads I have there about it | 18:47 |
| ZackMorris | it bricked when I was first having charger issues | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | luke-jr_, it requires either avahi or a DHCP server that does DNS updates | 18:47 |
| luke-jr_ | Sargun_Screen: apt-get install bash#? | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | I can't control all DHCP servers in the world | 18:47 |
| luke-jr_ | mgedmin: why not? | 18:47 |
| Lynoure | hrw: your software does make sound, right? | 18:47 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: oh ya, i responded to those ya. | 18:47 |
| hrw | Lynoure: yes | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | luke-jr_, ... because people won't give me root access to their DHCP servers? | 18:48 |
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| hrw | Lynoure: it uses GStreamer under phonon | 18:48 |
| ZackMorris | yeah even when I power off in R&D mode it's just not powering off it goes right back to the reboot cycle | 18:48 |
| Lynoure | hrw: if so, could I take it for a spin, to see if the reason for the phonon silence is affecting it as well, or if I am just doing something wrong? | 18:48 |
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| ZackMorris | mgedmin ok i have the ip and i installed open ssh client and server what was the next step you suggested so someone can ssh in and figure it out | 18:48 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes jebba or luke-jr_ or someone | 18:48 | |
| * jebba pokes timeless_mbp | 18:49 | |
| Lynoure | Well, I probably am doing something wrong, just would want to differentiate between desktop configuration and code | 18:49 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: which section is 'graphics'? | 18:49 |
| Sargun_Screen | luke-jr_: but it didnt set bash as the default shell | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | ZackMorris, do you use linux or windows? on linux, ssh root@the-ip-address, on Windows, download PuTTY.exe | 18:49 |
| * luke-jr_ stabs timeless_mbp | 18:49 | |
| hrw | Lynoure: I could give you x86 maemosdk binary but that would be GPL violation and I do not want to release sources yet | 18:49 |
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| jebba | ZackMorris: and when it completes the reboot cycle in R&D mode you get your desktop again? | 18:49 |
| luke-jr_ | Sargun_Screen: ok | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | ZackMorris, and I wasn't really thinking about someone ssh'ing in and figuring things out -- although Nokia developers who are working on that bug might find it useful | 18:50 |
| Lynoure | hrw: Would not... as I would not ask for the source, and I can promise to never ask for them. | 18:50 |
| ZackMorris | no Jebba the only way it gets to the desktop is if I hold in the power button while it is in the reboot process | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | I was more thinking about letting you run things like 'df -h' with the keyboard broken | 18:50 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: 1 sec | 18:50 |
| luke-jr_ | Lynoure: there is a loophole to that ;) | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | before I remembered the on-screen VKB | 18:50 |
| ZackMorris | I have to hold it for about 10-15 seconds and then the led turns white then it will start to boot, if not it will just reboot over and over | 18:50 |
| Lynoure | luke-jr_: there is ? | 18:50 |
| hrw | Lynoure: build phononmediaplayer from qt examples | 18:50 |
| Lynoure | hrw: hmm, yes, could do that. | 18:51 |
| hrw | Lynoure: my playing stuff is from that example | 18:51 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: Section: user/graphics ... ;) | 18:51 |
| luke-jr_ | Lynoure: the "source offer" route of the GPL requires the offer to be valid for *anyone*, not merely the recipient of the binary | 18:51 |
| Lynoure | luke-jr_: darn. | 18:51 |
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| ZackMorris | oh ok | 18:51 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: dont know. Sounds like you have a different problem than most in that thread (e.g. different than the "spontaneous reboot" thing) | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr_: so if someone got your binary code you have to give the sources to everyone? :P | 18:52 |
| ZackMorris | mgedmin I got putty running now, but im a lil bit of noob trying to figure out exactly whats going on | 18:52 |
| jebba | dont feed him | 18:52 |
| Lynoure | hrw: What kind of environment you use? Probably not ubuntu 9.10? | 18:52 |
| luke-jr_ | Stskeeps: if your binary code included an offer for source code to anyone who requested it, one of the options for GPL distribution | 18:52 |
| ZackMorris | especially since I keep getting referred to those two bugs concerning the reboots | 18:52 |
| hrw | Lynoure: Debian 'sid' | 18:52 |
| murrayc_ | luke-jr_: I don't think that's true. You need to provide the source to anyone who got the binary. | 18:52 |
| luke-jr_ | murrayc_: read the GPL | 18:53 |
| ZackMorris | bug 6350 mainly | 18:53 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr_: show me the paragraph, please | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | document your statement. | 18:53 |
| luke-jr_ | Stskeeps: in GPL 2 or 3? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr_: GPL2 in this case | 18:53 |
| ZackMorris | if anyone wants to work with me on this, feel free to go ahead | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr_: and please remember I know where you live. | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:53 |
| luke-jr_ | b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, | 18:53 |
| luke-jr_ | *any third party* | 18:54 |
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| luke-jr_ | option (a) is including the source itself | 18:54 |
| luke-jr_ | option (c) is redistribution an offer under (b) that you received | 18:54 |
| ZackMorris | hmm on my device is there anything i have to enter in xterm to allow putty access to my device? | 18:54 |
| luke-jr_ | redistributing* | 18:54 |
| ruskie | luke-jr_, no only the recipient of the binary has a valid offer | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | ZackMorris, no, you just have to have (a) a public IP address and (b) give those other people your root password | 18:55 |
| ruskie | if he gives the binary on then that perso is also entitled to it | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | don't do (b) lightly! | 18:55 |
| ZackMorris | where do you put the password in on putty? | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | and for (a), most networks use NAT and have no public IP address | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | putty will show a prompt | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | username: and then password: | 18:55 |
| * pupnik frolics | 18:55 | |
| hrw | For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights. | 18:55 |
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| hrw | luke-jr_: "the recipients" not "for anyone" | 18:56 |
| ruskie | :) | 18:56 |
| ZackMorris | oh ok i am at work so possibly no public ip | 18:56 |
| ZackMorris | would it be the inet address or the broadcast? | 18:56 |
| luke-jr_ | hrw: that's the summary, and option (a) | 18:56 |
| * GAN900 sighs at Quim shooting down bugs. | 18:56 | |
| * pupnik wonders if 500MB limit is stupid for g3 access | 18:56 | |
| hrw | GAN900: moved to brainfuck? | 18:56 |
| luke-jr_ | hrw: presumably, without receiving the binary, you wouldn't know about option (b) | 18:57 |
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| GAN900 | hrw, WONTFIX | 18:57 |
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| GAN900 | bug #6862 | 18:57 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6862 Add status area item to indicate Tracker activity | 18:57 |
| ruskie | GAN900, which one? | 18:57 |
| pupnik | aww GAN900 | 18:57 |
| zash | pupnik: 0.5GB? | 18:57 |
| ruskie | hmm | 18:57 |
| ruskie | that's annoying | 18:57 |
| zash | pupnik: that sucks | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: open source, ask a community member to hack it up | 18:57 |
| GAN900 | bug #6812 | 18:57 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6812 Remove "Power saving mode" setting from Touchscreen settings | 18:57 |
| pupnik | zash, i was planning to not watch youtubes. just chat and serious browsing. | 18:57 |
| ZackMorris | sorry if I am asking wayyy too many questions. | 18:58 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: how many times have you let it run thru the "reboot" cycle after powering off in R&D mode? | 18:58 |
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| ruskie | that's what we're here for... | 18:58 |
| luke-jr_ | and this is all assuming you can make an agreement to ignore a future agreement :p | 18:58 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, yeah, that doesn't help the normal users who are worst impacted by Tracker bringing the device to a crawl. :) | 18:58 |
| hrw | luke-jr_: or I can just keep it for my own use :D | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: i agree | 18:58 |
| zash | pupnik: I have a 99SEK/month plan with 5GB cap | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: an extension to load applet? | 18:58 |
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| GAN900 | Again, what's the point? | 18:59 |
| ZackMorris | jebba i've let run a few times, and earlier this morning i've let it run for 10 minutes while out on smoke break | 18:59 |
| GAN900 | Normal users wont install anything 3rd party. | 18:59 |
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| luke-jr_ | hrw: or put a price tag on it <.< | 18:59 |
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| hrw | luke-jr_: so far I prefer to keep it. in Jan I will get back to it and then will release sources on public git | 19:00 |
| hrw | luke-jr_: I think that it will be good example of how to write Maemo5 application using Qt with testing on desktop | 19:00 |
| ruskie | pupnik, hmm my current data monitor is showing: 512mb downloaded 30mb uploaded... and this is sans all the reflashing I did and all the downloading in between :) | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr_: either way, i'm happy i'm a BSD licensing guy. :P | 19:01 |
| pupnik | during what time period ruskie ? how many weeks? | 19:01 |
| ruskie | pupnik, hmm 14 days since I got it today and of that 5 days of reflashing and quite a bit of downloading | 19:02 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: cuz mine just appeared to go thru that cycle a few times. It will do that if it needs to fsck and such. | 19:02 |
| ruskie | so infact it's more like 9 days of use | 19:02 |
| anidel | GAN900 his not shooting down bugs.. just yours | 19:02 |
| luke-jr_ | Stskeeps: I don't stick to any one license. | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr_: true, what license makes sense for what you're trying to do | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | my primary on is bsd though | 19:04 |
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| tyrus | good people | 19:04 |
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| tyrus | am tearing my hair here with my n800 os2008 | 19:04 |
| luke-jr_ | these days, I generally just release code with no license and wait for someone to ask me XD | 19:04 |
| luke-jr_ | at least smaller stuff | 19:04 |
| tyrus | so apparently it started freezing on me | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr_: you are aware you are technically not giving them any license to use it at all then? | 19:05 |
| GAN900 | anidel, bugs are bugs. | 19:05 |
| luke-jr_ | unless it fits within a clear license category | 19:05 |
| luke-jr_ | Stskeeps: yes | 19:05 |
| anidel | GAN900: was just kidding.. commented on that particular one.... | 19:05 |
| tyrus | seems i cant format the memory card for some reason | 19:05 |
| luke-jr_ | Stskeeps: but one does not need a license to use, merely to copy | 19:05 |
| anidel | as I've seen it many times already | 19:05 |
| GAN900 | anidel, personally I think these bugs deserve more than "I personally disagree, WONTFIX" | 19:05 |
| tyrus | when i ran sfdisk | 19:06 |
| tyrus | i get the following error | 19:06 |
| hrw | luke-jr_: my app has to be GPL as it uses code from Qt examples | 19:06 |
| ruskie | I think any bug deserves more than just opening comment, no reason close | 19:06 |
| tyrus | input/output error | 19:06 |
| luke-jr_ | Stskeeps: and if someone actually wants to distribute it, they can ask and I'll probably just say sure :P | 19:06 |
| anidel | GAN900: sure, I do agree with you fully | 19:06 |
| ruskie | hrw, hmm isn't qt lgpl as well? | 19:06 |
| jebba | tyrus: check `dmesg` | 19:06 |
| jebba | tyrus: also what was your full sfdisk command? | 19:06 |
| tyrus | on /dev/mmcblkl-cannot read sector 0 | 19:06 |
| luke-jr_ | hrw: Qt's examples are GPL? | 19:06 |
| pupnik | ls -l /lib/dsp/ is interesting..... | 19:07 |
| tyrus | thanks jebba | 19:07 |
| * luke-jr_ personally feels examples should be public domain or at least BSD licensed | 19:07 | |
| anidel | GAN900: as this is what being open means.. (btw; you appear here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxT-vMcDag&feature=related) | 19:07 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Looks like I will have to return zlibrary to user/libs | 19:07 |
| luke-jr_ | unless they're more than mere examples | 19:07 |
| hrw | ok, LGPL | 19:07 |
| tyrus | i have been combing thru dmesg | 19:07 |
| RST38h | GAN900: I hoped that the next updates (like _5 to _6) would go without a hitch but I was wrong | 19:07 |
| tyrus | and this is what i have found | 19:07 |
| ruskie | luke-jr_, public domain does not exist in certain countries... atleast not explicit one | 19:07 |
| ruskie | also copyright laws can and do differ from country to country... hence why a license is the better approach | 19:08 |
| tyrus | end_request: I/O error, dev,mmcblk0, sector 1155 | 19:08 |
| tyrus | and it goes on and on | 19:08 |
| jebba | what's the full cfdisk command you ran? | 19:08 |
| tyrus | am thinkin these are bad sectors but i cant get to format my card | 19:08 |
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| Lynoure | hrw: not much luck playing with the example, I keep getting (<unknown>:25910): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_make_from_uri: assertion `gst_uri_is_valid (uri)' failed with it :/ | 19:08 |
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| tyrus | i ran sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblkl | 19:09 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: do you by any chance try powering off with USB cables all disconnected? | 19:09 |
| jebba | tyrus: that looks wrong. gimme a minute and i'll give you better command | 19:09 |
| tyrus | thanks jebba | 19:10 |
| tyrus | really appreciate your time | 19:10 |
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| jebba | tyrus: you're talking about an "additional" microsd card, just to confirm, right? | 19:10 |
| tyrus | yes, thats right jebba | 19:10 |
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| hrw | which public GIT server would you recommend for keeping some LGPL sources? | 19:11 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, nooo, don't! | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: gitorious | 19:12 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, it's a virus. We have to disinfect the current users but we should infect more. | 19:12 |
| Hydroxide | hrw: doesnt' matter. gitorious, github, your own machine, sourceforge, whatever you want :) that's the point. but Nokia stuff seems to use gitorious | 19:12 |
| arachnist | hrw: github and gitorious | 19:12 |
| GAN900 | Besides, it wont get into Extras that way. | 19:12 |
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| GAN900 | anidel, ahaha | 19:12 |
| GAN900 | anidel, they followed the doc track around EVERYWHERE | 19:12 |
| anidel | :D | 19:12 |
| anidel | yeah | 19:13 |
| GAN900 | anidel, they kept telling us to quiet down while we were having discussions, too. | 19:13 |
| anidel | GA I've ordered my N900 today at 12:40pm, 13:02 it was shipped, 16:52 it was picked up by DHL!! | 19:13 |
| GAN900 | anidel, we decided at some point we needed to stage a fight in the background. | 19:13 |
| anidel | GAN900: yeah.. it happened to me as well once | 19:13 |
| anidel | ahahahah | 19:14 |
| anidel | that'd be fun :p | 19:14 |
| GAN900 | anidel, I wish they'd wasted less money on overnight international shipping and put it towards a warranty instead. | 19:14 |
| jebba | tyrus: sudo sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk1 works for me. Note in your command above you have a "l" (lower L) instead of a 1 (number one), though i think you just typoed that here. | 19:14 |
| tyrus | oh yeah thats exactly what i ran jebba | 19:15 |
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| anidel | GAN900: me too. | 19:16 |
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| anidel | or make it cheaper.. | 19:16 |
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| jebba | tyrus: try partitioning/formatting on another device then put it in n900 and try it | 19:17 |
| tyrus | oops sorry dont have n900 jebba :( | 19:17 |
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| GAN900 | anidel, infact, I think we're discussing the fight when I look up and grin at the camera around 0:20. *g* | 19:18 |
| GAN900 | anidel, indeed. | 19:18 |
| anidel | ehehe | 19:18 |
| anidel | but as Quim stated, Forum Nokia deals with company usually | 19:18 |
| anidel | *companies | 19:19 |
| GAN900 | International overnight is probably, what, €50 minimum? | 19:19 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes GAN900 elsewhere | 19:19 | |
| AndrewFBlack | Working on my Maemo.org Color Scheme Fremantle Theme and was calling it maemo-org then I remembered the whole we can´t use the name maemo in anything. Any got any ideas? BTW not only does it use the community colors the theme is a colaboration between several theme designers and I´m also going to ask more community members to summit there work for the theme and icons as well? | 19:19 |
| anidel | call it fremantle-theme? | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: see what maemo.org wallpaper or bootup screen is called? | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | if there's such a package | 19:20 |
| GAN900 | maemo.org is OK | 19:20 |
| GAN900 | Maemo is not | 19:20 |
| anidel | oh yeah, right | 19:20 |
| GAN900 | (Maemo.org is not OK) | 19:20 |
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| AndrewFBlack | so no big M is ok | 19:20 |
| GAN900 | Look at VDVsx's gratiutous use of the maemo.org logo in BlueMaemo. :D | 19:21 |
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| GAN900 | As long as it has a ".org" on the end. | 19:21 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, I don´t think either of those have a package in extras yet | 19:21 |
| jebba | tyrus: well put it in your n810 or whatever it is you have | 19:21 |
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| AndrewFBlack | well I used - for the package name maemo-org instead of maemo.org don´t think the . will work | 19:21 |
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| Hydroxide | debian packages in general can use . in the name - not sure about maemo's policies in that regard | 19:22 |
| Hydroxide | (or the app manager's, etc) | 19:22 |
| * VDVsx used that logo just to piss GAN900 :D | 19:22 | |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hydroxide, well I learned something didn´t know you could have a . I guess I could change to that but then would have 2 packages in devel | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | openoffice.org-bin is a valid name of a popular Debian package ;) | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | err, -base not -bin | 19:23 |
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| AndrewFBlack | true never thought about openoffie.org having the . | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | and so is python2.5 | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | which is not such a good example, since "oh, that's a version number" | 19:24 |
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| pupnik | does nokia update any bundled software packages individually? or is it all pushed out with a new 'firmware' release? | 19:29 |
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| Robot101 | I think they have to certify the combinations of software for various purposes, so they push updates at the same time as new firmware goes out | 19:30 |
| Sargun | Is there some sort of PIM/contact management API on the device? | 19:30 |
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| Corsac | Sargun: I think so but the wiki should have more info, I guess | 19:31 |
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| Sargun | lookin | 19:31 |
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| Sargun | wait, we just use EDS under the hood? | 19:34 |
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| Robot101 | Sargun: the device's address book is eds, yes. but you need to access it through libosso-abook to get unified contacts (with the IM presence/etc merged in) | 19:35 |
| Sargun | darn | 19:35 |
| Sargun | otherwise, I could just shove my data into EDS | 19:35 |
| Robot101 | what is your data? if you're syncing normal contacts etc, that should work with eds | 19:36 |
| Robot101 | it has one book for the "master contacts" using the file backend, and the UI merges together the telepathy contacts on the fly | 19:36 |
| Robot101 | http://blog.barisione.org/2009-10/contacts-on-maemo/ | 19:36 |
| Pavlov | has anyone made it so i can sync my google contacts to n900 yet? | 19:37 |
| pupnik | google is in a competitive position with nokia, so i wouldn't expect too much goodness from them | 19:37 |
| Robot101 | you can, theoretically, configure the Exchange syncing to work with Google | 19:38 |
| Robot101 | but it doesn't work too well | 19:38 |
| Sargun | haha, no, it works rather horribly IIRC | 19:38 |
| Robot101 | pupnik: not really, Google Talk and search are integrated on the device. Google is an advertising company, Android is just bought to push their services more, it doesn't mean they'll stop pushing them on other platforms too... | 19:39 |
| barisione | Sargun: yeah, you can use EDS directly, but be prepared to have to change your code as soon as you want to do something more complex | 19:39 |
| Robot101 | pupnik: why would they have google maps on iPhone, or maps/gmail/etc on S60, etc... | 19:39 |
| ifreq | one day google will rule us all | 19:40 |
| barisione | Sargun: but OssoABookContact is derived from EContact, EDS is not hidden at all | 19:40 |
| ifreq | s/google/borg/ | 19:40 |
| infobot | ifreq meant: one day borg will rule us all | 19:40 |
| Sargun | Meep, why wont the N900 sync with my zimbra server, rawr. | 19:41 |
| Sargun | or Ovi needs contacts import/export | 19:41 |
| hrw | Lynoure: http://gitorious.org/qt-module-player/qt-module-player | 19:42 |
| pupnik | Robot101: good points thanks | 19:43 |
| Sargun | So, is there hope that one day Zimbra Server will work with the n900? | 19:44 |
| ifreq | there is quite a lot of hope | 19:44 |
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| Sargun | ifreq, what is the root of this hope? You know, it was the only sin that failed to escape from pandora's box | 19:45 |
| Robot101 | pupnik: so, I do hope we'll get google maps for maemo... :D | 19:45 |
| hrw | bb in few | 19:45 |
| Sargun | Why would you want Google Maps? | 19:45 |
| ifreq | Sargun: were just in start of our n900 journey.. everything is possible so long as we keep stuff open | 19:45 |
| pupnik | openstreetmap is awesome in my area | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil1 | Sargun: the integrated streetview stuff looks quite shiny - though I haven't used it | 19:45 |
| Sargun | SpeedEvil1, I thought that was only available on Android | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil1 | pupnik: yeah - I'm trying to work out how to take pictures through osm2go | 19:46 |
| pupnik | the presentation by Till was real good. I hope we can someday see those online. | 19:46 |
| ifreq | pupnik: yeah openstreetmap is cool (using with biking instead of $$$ maps) | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil1 | pupnik: I've done my first mapping using n900 | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil1 | Trivial tho | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil1 | But it diddn't seem too inaccurate - even in front trouser pocket when driving | 19:47 |
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| lcuk | ifreq, i really like that quote | 19:48 |
| lcuk | shame i cant retweet from irc to twitter :) | 19:48 |
| ifreq | hehe well you can repaste it | 19:49 |
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| ifreq | irc to twitter would be a lot of spam *g* | 19:49 |
| lcuk | nahh i would want direct irc to twitter all the time | 19:50 |
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| lcuk | really put a strain on the servers - we create so much content/noice down here :) | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil1 | The silliest thing I've seen using twitter is my calorie tracking site. | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil1 | you can set it to tweet every food item you eat | 19:50 |
| lcuk | someone setup a lovemaking twitter | 19:51 |
| lcuk | using a pressure pad in his mates marital bed | 19:51 |
| lcuk | everytime they hump it will tweet | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil1 | haha | 19:51 |
| ifreq | haha | 19:51 |
| ifreq | nerdy+++ | 19:51 |
| * lcuk finds it | 19:51 | |
| SpeedEvil1 | i can see myself using flickr rather more with the phone. | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil1 | now that' it's ~3 buttons to share. | 19:52 |
| lcuk | http://mashable.com/2009/12/12/twitter-bed-sex/ | 19:53 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil1, i would want live 0 button feed streaming | 19:53 |
| suihkulokki | the kernel developer feeding all commands from bash shell to twitter live was funny too | 19:53 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | yes, I would like that too. | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil1 | open shutter -> video | 19:54 |
| lcuk | i do it now with liqbase sketches and screenshots and photos can go up | 19:54 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | And a pocket with a hole in the right place | 19:54 |
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| suihkulokki | qik could do that probably | 19:54 |
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| lcuk | suihkulokki, you need dual led enabled whilst taking movies | 19:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | that would be nice. | 19:59 |
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| hrw | re | 20:00 |
| clmntch | hello | 20:00 |
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| Lynoure | hrw: cool, I take a loot at it after booting from gnome to kde... maybe pulseaudio messing things up, or something | 20:08 |
| Lynoure | s/loot/look | 20:08 |
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| an0therb0x | help please ..is anyone here familiar with Nokia N900 ? | 20:09 |
| ml-mobile | Yes... | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | an0therb0x: the what? | 20:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | an0therb0x: Is it some sort of car? | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | In short, yes, quite a few people. | 20:10 |
| * mgedmin is personally familiar with two Nokia N900s | 20:10 | |
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| an0therb0x | ml-mobile: i have a bluetooth headset connected to the N900 and the ring tone only goes to the headset ...is it possible to change that so the ringing comes through the N900 instead | 20:11 |
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| AndrewFBlack | an0therb0x, Not that i know of | 20:12 |
| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/12/17/released-sources-of-my-protracker-module-player/ | 20:13 |
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| hrw | see you tomorrow | 20:14 |
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| pupnik | please add 'ping' to maemo 5 sdk | 20:16 |
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| an0therb0x | AndrewFBlack: thanks | 20:16 |
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| ZackMorris | jebba mine goes thru that cycle indefinitely | 20:20 |
| ZackMorris | after a flash or even after powering down in rd mode | 20:20 |
| ml-mobile | rebooting? | 20:20 |
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| johnq | Hi! Is there any progress on using opensync with the n900? | 20:21 |
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| clmntch | i think the correct question would be 'is there any progress on using opensync with anything?' | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | sync is a myth | 20:23 |
| * mgedmin could never reliably sync anything to anything | 20:23 | |
| lcuk | anyone know why maemo downloads keeps resetting the changes i apply to my page? | 20:23 |
| ml-mobile | rsync! | 20:23 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/liqtorch/ | 20:23 |
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| mgedmin | oh, don't get me started | 20:24 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: so basically you set r&d mode and you can boot up once. Then after that you're hosed. | 20:24 |
| lcuk | i keep changing the description and it keeps getting reverted | 20:24 |
| lcuk | tho my edit history shows the data | 20:24 |
| clmntch | mgedmin: i had the same experience | 20:24 |
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| ZackMorris | correct jebba | 20:26 |
| ZackMorris | seems like bug 7019 might be related to my issue | 20:26 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 Release source code of "getbootstate" | 20:26 |
| pupnik | anybody have aplay (alsaplayer) binary for n900 lying around? | 20:26 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: vote for it. | 20:27 |
| pupnik | i cannot get src packages atm | 20:27 |
| ZackMorris | because I checked the filesystem and it is not full | 20:27 |
| johnq | Ok, so is there ary progress on any PIM-data transfer between the N900 and a linux machine? | 20:27 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: though the bug talked about in #7019 isn't repeating reboots. | 20:27 |
| johnq | I mean, the contacts are evolution data and the calendar is sqlite, so it can't be that complicated... | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | johnq, I'm pessimistic about that | 20:27 |
| ZackMorris | its about the source code that is related to it | 20:27 |
| ZackMorris | i think | 20:27 |
| jebba | a kernel with console shown would probably give more info, but it shoots by pretty quick. | 20:27 |
| johnq | and after all, the N900 is said to "support" syncml | 20:27 |
| ZackMorris | you're the reporter on it correct | 20:27 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: ah ya. | 20:27 |
| ZackMorris | i did vote for it | 20:27 |
| jebba | cool :) | 20:28 |
| red | bug 666 is evil | 20:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Problems with Javascript setTimeout function | 20:28 |
| johnq | mgedmin: did you try anything or have you heard of anybody trying anything? | 20:28 |
| ml-mobile | ZackMorris, jebba: I found that disabling off mode in /etc/pmconfig effectively resolved the issue for me | 20:28 |
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| FIQ | bug 123 | 20:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123 Dialogs will be transparent as soon as tiping on the top bar | 20:28 |
| FIQ | lol | 20:28 |
| ZackMorris | ml-mobile what are the steps to doing that? | 20:28 |
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| ZackMorris | here is another weird thing, i've had the device on for quite a while | 20:28 |
| mgedmin | johnq, no | 20:28 |
| ZackMorris | usually there is some battery drainage | 20:28 |
| ZackMorris | the battery status bar is showing full | 20:29 |
| ZackMorris | i am in rd mode | 20:29 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: read the last comment just added to the bug and describe *your* bug which is probably related to getbootstate too and say we can't debug *IT* cuz no codez | 20:29 |
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| mgedmin | well, I tried multisync and various other phone-pim-sync solutions, all failed with my Series 40 phones | 20:29 |
| joppu | Theme "Reflect" now in extras-testing. I encourage everyone to try it out! | 20:29 |
| ml-mobile | install rootsh and edit that file, then reboot | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | for lax values of "failed" | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | I could make backups of my contacts | 20:29 |
| johnq | by the way, obex ftp works perfectly here | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | but merge them to something else? forget it | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | calendar? don't even think | 20:29 |
| GAN900 | Hildon Home is crashing at least 2 dozen a day. | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | it could be S40's fault | 20:30 |
| GAN900 | times | 20:30 |
| jebba | ml-mobile: cool thx :) hadnt even looked at that file yet. Soooooo much still left to explore ;) | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | GAN900, plugin | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | widget | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | isolate which one causes that, you'll be happier | 20:30 |
| ml-mobile | it's a workaround, will be waiting on a real fix from Nokia | 20:30 |
| ZackMorris | ok added comment | 20:30 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: cool thx :) | 20:31 |
| ml-mobile | up to 1 day, 2h32m | 20:31 |
| GAN900 | mgedmin, they're all stock Nokia ones. | 20:31 |
| johnq | mgedmin: backup of your contacts of the series 40 phone or of the n900? | 20:31 |
| mgedmin | GAN900, interesting! | 20:31 |
| mgedmin | maybe try crash-reporter? | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | johnq, tried that, n900 gave up | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | used my SIM card for transferring contacts | 20:32 |
| ZackMorris | ok installed rootsh | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | put it back into the Nokia 6600 (the S40 phone), now my phone lists each contact twice | 20:32 |
| ZackMorris | whats the command line to edit what you spoke of ml-mobile | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | the whole IT industry sucks | 20:32 |
| johnq | mgedmin: why didn't just copying the evolution file help? | 20:32 |
| * mgedmin puts user-hat on | 20:33 | |
| mgedmin | copying the whatnot? | 20:33 |
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| mgedmin | also, there's no evolution file on my nokia 6600 | 20:33 |
| GAN900 | mgedmin, NITRO is the reason I know it's crashing. | 20:33 |
| * mgedmin has to mention, for full disclosure reasons, that he's irritable when he's hungry or has a headache, which is a good description for the current state of affairs | 20:34 | |
| mgedmin | GAN900, what's NITRO? | 20:34 |
| johnq | mgedmin: syncml-obex-client -b xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx 10 --slow-sync text/x-vcard Contacts --wbxml \ --identifier "PC Suite" --dumpinfo --version 1.1 --useStringTable | 20:34 |
| johnq | argl | 20:34 |
| GAN900 | Eero's crahs reporter. :) | 20:34 |
| johnq | mgedmin: /home/usr/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db | 20:34 |
| ZackMorris | ml-mobile can you direct me to a bug report or thread where you've discussed this | 20:35 |
| ml-mobile | I think it was bug 6335 | 20:35 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6335 Bluetooth network profiles (NAP, GN) not functional | 20:35 |
| ml-mobile | no | 20:35 |
| ml-mobile | can't check now | 20:36 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: check https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350#c42 too | 20:36 |
| povbot | Bug 6350: getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them | 20:36 |
| ZackMorris | ml-mobile exactly what do you edit in pmconfig | 20:36 |
| ZackMorris | yeah i've checked that bug a million times and nothing that has stopped the boots | 20:37 |
| ml-mobile | the line that reads "enable_off_mode" I changed to zero | 20:37 |
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| AndrewFBlack | lcuk, no icon for liqtorch? | 20:39 |
| ZackMorris | sorry kinda a noob here what do i type into xterm | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | AndrewFBlack, liqtorch has action shots for its screenshots | 20:39 |
| lcuk | and, yeah theres an icon | 20:39 |
| lcuk | its a sun | 20:39 |
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| AndrewFBlack | ahh some applications the icons never show up until I reboot must be one of those times | 20:40 |
| el_zilcho | :) yeah, ther's not really much to show for the application interface | 20:40 |
| el_zilcho | very useful though | 20:40 |
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| el_zilcho | i've been playing with your liqflow a bit | 20:40 |
| johnq | ah great, copying addressbook.db works | 20:40 |
| el_zilcho | its pretty funn to mess around with | 20:40 |
| johnq | at least from N900 to evoution | 20:41 |
| lcuk | el_zilcho, yeah - app design is very minimalistic lol | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | liqflow is cool | 20:41 |
| Hydroxide | I'm sure this is a FAQ but I'm not sure where to look. rootsh tells me that the 'rootsh' command in the terminal is deprecated. where can I find the rationale behind this? | 20:41 |
| lcuk | and its in extras now! | 20:41 |
| lcuk | now that phase is over i can pus hthe new changes aSIMULAter and I discussed | 20:41 |
| lcuk | and make it even betterererere | 20:41 |
| el_zilcho | asimulator showed me the youtube vid and then i had to go get it | 20:41 |
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| * lcuk nods | 20:41 | |
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| ZackMorris | ok just tried typing edit /etc/pmconfig | 20:42 |
| ZackMorris | haha my lack of skills is embarassing | 20:42 |
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| jebba | ZackMorris: btw, i'm kind of guessing your device is failing the fsck and just tries to do it over & over. Perhaps your flash is zhot | 20:42 |
| jebba | shot | 20:42 |
| el_zilcho | hey... noob question here... there's an /etc/cron.daily/ but there is seemingly no crontab for me to set up jobs on custom schedules... any insight? | 20:43 |
| anidel | zzzzzzoot! | 20:43 |
| AndrewFBlack | lcuk, what changes you making? | 20:43 |
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| AndrewFBlack | lcuk, putting some sheep on it? | 20:43 |
| el_zilcho | even an app name would be adequate, i can do the rest from there | 20:43 |
| el_zilcho | i just can't figure out what is actually invoking the /etc/cron.daily/ stuff | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | AndrewFBlack, :) | 20:44 |
| lcuk | lots of changes | 20:44 |
| Hydroxide | el_zilcho: maybe try running crontab -e ? | 20:44 |
| lcuk | el_zilcho, i dont think cron exists properly | 20:44 |
| lcuk | it never used to, mightv been added | 20:44 |
| anidel | lots of changes = rewrite = new fancy bugs :D | 20:44 |
| lcuk | but from memory its not there | 20:44 |
| lcuk | anidel, not at all | 20:45 |
| anidel | ahah | 20:45 |
| el_zilcho | that's why i was confused | 20:45 |
| lcuk | ive already done all the variaitons | 20:45 |
| Hydroxide | ok | 20:45 |
| lcuk | ive got alpha blended ones, ive got a version which goes to 2000 particles | 20:45 |
| lcuk | and ive done one with stars | 20:45 |
| lcuk | hand drawn might i add | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | i even did a sheep avoidance one | 20:46 |
| lcuk | but the algo needs more work | 20:46 |
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| mavhc | what would I need to get a 3g usb stick working with n810, software wise? | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | AndrewFBlack, dont you think that shop says "Kathy" all over it | 20:49 |
| AndrewFBlack | lcuk, lol very much | 20:49 |
| ZackMorris | jebba possiblly it was mentioned in that bug, any workarounds for the flash being shot? | 20:51 |
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| ZackMorris | why is permission denied to /etc/pmconfig | 20:52 |
| ZackMorris | do i need to sudo? | 20:52 |
| jebba | yes | 20:52 |
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| jebba | yes to sudo | 20:52 |
| jebba | if your flash is shot, well, it's shot. | 20:52 |
| jebba | that's just speculation tho | 20:52 |
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| ZackMorris | i did sudo gainroot | 20:53 |
| ZackMorris | then entered rootsh /etc/pmconfig | 20:53 |
| ZackMorris | permission deined | 20:53 |
| ZackMorris | denied even | 20:53 |
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| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: yeah, you need to give the name of an editor | 20:54 |
| ml-mobile | is your console showing a $ or # | 20:54 |
| anidel | ZackMorris are you Chuck Norris in disguise? | 20:54 |
| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: for example, 'nano /etc/pmconfig' | 20:54 |
| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: after sudo gainroot | 20:54 |
| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: that serves the same purpose as the rootsh command | 20:54 |
| ZackMorris | right now # | 20:54 |
| Hydroxide | (I'd still like someone to explain why the rootsh command is deprecated, but that's separate from helping ZackMorris ) | 20:54 |
| anidel | you can use 'id' to check if you are roor | 20:55 |
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| anidel | root | 20:55 |
| Hydroxide | he's root. the problem is that he is trying to execute a config file instead of edit it | 20:55 |
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| ZackMorris | gid=0 root | 20:56 |
| anidel | ah ok didn't read so far | 20:56 |
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| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: try 'nano /etc/pmconfig' | 20:56 |
| ZackMorris | hmm like i said im fairly new to all this | 20:56 |
| ZackMorris | it said /bin/sh : nano: not found | 20:57 |
| Hydroxide | oh... I'm not sure what user-friendly editors are there :) | 20:57 |
| * Hydroxide is used to a UNIX-y editor | 20:57 | |
| ZackMorris | ok let me get an editor i dont think i did that | 20:57 |
| ZackMorris | i take it you reccommend nano | 20:57 |
| Hydroxide | well that's one that would work in the terminal | 20:57 |
| jebba | leafpad, you go that? | 20:57 |
| jebba | that's easy editor | 20:57 |
| Hydroxide | jebba: does that work with files where you need to be root? | 20:58 |
| jebba | much smaller than VIM too leafpad is gui. | 20:58 |
| jebba | sudo vim /etc/foo ya | 20:58 |
| anidel | vi | 20:58 |
| ZackMorris | getting leafpad now | 20:58 |
| jebba | vi 20M, leafpad a few hundred k ;) | 20:58 |
| Hydroxide | jebba: and leafpad works with files needing to be root? | 20:58 |
| jebba | anidel: but do you recommend vi to a user about to edit a critical file as root for the first time? | 20:58 |
| Hydroxide | anidel: that's why I was suggesting nano - it's relatively user-friendly despite being in the terminal. | 20:58 |
| anidel | and nano is easy? | 20:59 |
| anidel | :) | 20:59 |
| Hydroxide | yes, relatively speaking | 20:59 |
| ZackMorris | ok leafpad opened up | 20:59 |
| anidel | eheh to edit or add a line vi is pretty easy | 20:59 |
| jebba | Hydroxide: sudo leafpad /etc/pmconfig YES | 20:59 |
| Hydroxide | jebba: ok. | 20:59 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: you gotta run it like: sudo leafpad /etc/pmconfig | 20:59 |
| Hydroxide | jebba: (though personally it scares me to run GUI code as root...) | 20:59 |
| Laiska | execpt how do you type insert on the N900 with vim? | 21:00 |
| ZackMorris | got it | 21:00 |
| Hydroxide | Laiska: 'i' | 21:00 |
| jebba | Laiska: i | 21:00 |
| Laiska | check | 21:00 |
| jebba | leafpad is far more lightweight than vi too ;) | 21:00 |
| anidel | you need to follow him anyway with nano | 21:00 |
| anidel | so... | 21:00 |
| anidel | and vi is there already | 21:00 |
| anidel | just tell him step by step...and it should be fine | 21:00 |
| anidel | i don't think that CTRL-X ESC or whatever is easier than :x | 21:00 |
| Nitial | jebba: lightweight than vim probably.. plain vi is very light too | 21:01 |
| Hydroxide | anidel: for a one-time thing, maybe. for him becoming self-sufficient, nano is much quicker to learn. I'm not anti-vi; I use it myself. and stop confusing nano with emacs :) | 21:01 |
| anidel | true about leafpad though | 21:01 |
| ZackMorris | hmm | 21:01 |
| anidel | ahahah ok :) | 21:01 |
| ZackMorris | nothing happened | 21:01 |
| loppear | openstreetmap is too sexy. | 21:01 |
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| anidel | walking home see ya later | 21:01 |
| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: if you want nano, you can install it with apt-get install nano as root. if you want to use leafpad, continue working with jebba | 21:03 |
| * mece <3 nano | 21:04 | |
| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: then just make your changes via nano, then press ctrl-x to exit, and allow it to save when it asks you to | 21:04 |
| RST38h | nano! nano! | 21:04 |
| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: the keyboard shortcuts are also shown on the screen | 21:04 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: what do you mean "nothing happened" ? the editor didnt open? | 21:04 |
| mece | what version of nano is in the repo? I compiled mine myself from some svn | 21:04 |
| Hydroxide | mece: seems like 2.0.7-4 | 21:05 |
| Hydroxide | mece: no idea what the newest version is, but for simple config file editing any version will do | 21:05 |
| mece | 2.2.0 here. Yay me! | 21:05 |
| Hydroxide | cool :) | 21:05 |
| Hydroxide | yeah, looks like fremantle has the same version as debian lenny | 21:05 |
| Hydroxide | debian squeeze/sid have 2.2.0, but that's quite new of course | 21:06 |
| RST38h | Oh shit, this new nano still crashes on Ctrl-W | 21:06 |
| Hydroxide | s/ of course// | 21:06 |
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| infobot | Hydroxide meant: debian squeeze/sid have 2.2.0, but that's quite new | 21:06 |
| mece | mine does not crash | 21:06 |
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| mece | on ctrlw- | 21:06 |
| mece | ctrl-w | 21:06 |
| RST38h | try again | 21:06 |
| mece | ctrl-w is sweet | 21:06 |
| mece | ok.. | 21:06 |
| ZackMorris | the editor didnt open | 21:06 |
| Hydroxide | jebba: are you still around to help ZackMorris with leafpad? | 21:06 |
| mece | Aaanyway. | 21:07 |
| RST38h | mece: open the editor, press ctrl-w, type something, press enter | 21:07 |
| RST38h | and see it crash | 21:07 |
| mece | is anyone interested in mp3splt? Should I make an effort to get it into devel? | 21:07 |
| ZackMorris | there is the cut and paste arrow on the right | 21:07 |
| Hydroxide | RST38h: it crashes for me too, but he's using a different version | 21:07 |
| ZackMorris | note i can only use vw keyboard right now | 21:07 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: so you are just sitting at a command prompt with "sudo leafpad /etc/pmconfig " ? | 21:07 |
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| ZackMorris | correct jebba | 21:07 |
| RST38h | I am using 2.0.7 out of the repos | 21:07 |
| Hydroxide | jebba: sudo doesn't work by default with rootsh installed. maybe you installed sudser too? | 21:08 |
| Hydroxide | jebba: except for sudo gainroot aka root | 21:08 |
| mece | RST38h, ok. it crashed. interesting enough I used ctrl-w earlier today and it didn't crash... | 21:08 |
| BluesLee | hello, is there a working todo app for maemo 5? | 21:08 |
| mece | RST38h, oh wait.. it was in sb | 21:08 |
| jebba | ZackMorris: do this: ctrl-c, then "sudo gainroot" then "leafpad /etc/pmconfig" | 21:08 |
| mece | RST38h, annoying. | 21:08 |
| jebba | (I may have set up sudo custom) | 21:08 |
| Hydroxide | BluesLee: I believe the built-in calendar app has it | 21:09 |
| ZackMorris | anyway to do ctrl on the virtual keyboard | 21:09 |
| ZackMorris | because | 21:09 |
| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: there's a physical keyboard Ctrl button too | 21:09 |
| ZackMorris | if i hit ctrl on my physical, screen shuts down | 21:09 |
| jebba | dude, your system is just fucked if that is happening. | 21:09 |
| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: that totally shouldn't happen | 21:09 |
| jebba | you should just send it back | 21:09 |
| jebba | i think you have a corrupt root file system that cannot be fixed hence it just fscks itself over & over and eventually bricks. | 21:10 |
| BluesLee | Hydroxide: thats true but it isnt very useful when activating the calendar applet it shows the calendar entries prior so that the the todos arent shown | 21:10 |
| Hydroxide | jebba: did he try flashing it? I missed the answer but that would replace a corrupt fs | 21:10 |
| ZackMorris | hmm | 21:10 |
| ZackMorris | yeah i did flash | 21:11 |
| jebba | Hydroxide: yes he has iirc | 21:11 |
| ZackMorris | multiple times | 21:11 |
| ZackMorris | both us and global versions | 21:11 |
| ZackMorris | unable to flash eMMC | 21:11 |
| jebba | like broken flash chip or something | 21:11 |
| Hydroxide | BluesLee: ah. I haven't tried to use it for todo myself. check the repositories... sorry | 21:11 |
| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: yeah, I agree with jebba then. send it back for warranty repair | 21:11 |
| BluesLee | i also tried the other ones from testing and devel, gpe-todo crashs, ztodo does nothing:-) | 21:11 |
| ZackMorris | i dont understand because the device was working 100% fine for a week, had issues with the charger, then that | 21:11 |
| BluesLee | Hydroxide: no problem | 21:11 |
| ZackMorris | i work for pcmall | 21:11 |
| ZackMorris | i bought it from pcmall | 21:12 |
| BluesLee | do we have an offline wikipedia reader? | 21:12 |
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| ZackMorris | pcmall has no stock | 21:12 |
| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: the normal nokia manufacturer's warranty should still apply, yes? | 21:12 |
| jebba | BluesLee: no, but i have built one before. | 21:12 |
| BluesLee | jebba: which one? | 21:12 |
| jebba | a very small one though of just 2000 articles or someting | 21:12 |
| jebba | i built it for eee, not n900 | 21:13 |
| jebba | did have graphics though. | 21:13 |
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| jebba | based on xulrunner | 21:13 |
| BluesLee | jebba: okay, this one is also very nice http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia.html | 21:13 |
| BluesLee | jebba: it uses the squashfs and integrates gps | 21:14 |
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| BluesLee | jebba: i used it on my freerunner | 21:14 |
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| BluesLee | jebba: it uses midori as a default browser but any other should also do the job | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, didn't someone make a script that exports n900 gps over bluetooth? | 21:15 |
| jebba | BluesLee: wow cool. I'll immediately dive into that. | 21:16 |
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| BluesLee | jebba: as i see the link to the sources is broken | 21:16 |
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| BluesLee | jebba: i will ask the author for the sources | 21:17 |
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| ZackMorris | yeah looks like this is going to have to go back | 21:18 |
| ZackMorris | :-( | 21:18 |
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| eluiandil | all: | 21:19 |
| jebba | BluesLee: git clone git://github.com/crei/evopedia.git is working for me | 21:19 |
| Hydroxide | ZackMorris: sorry to hear it but it's better than living with a broken device for its lifetime. you'll still get a fixed one back | 21:19 |
| BluesLee | jebba: ahh, okay | 21:19 |
| ZackMorris | yeah its true | 21:19 |
| ZackMorris | weird thing too Jebba when I take out battery put in usb, put back in battery, it reboots in usb mode, then the usb logo disappears and it goes to the baloons and then boom starts all over again | 21:20 |
| jebba | ya, goes to balloons, tries fsck, fails | 21:21 |
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| ZackMorris | fsck has nothing to do wtih eMMC correct | 21:21 |
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| jebba | fsck checks your filesystem. If your flash is busted your fsck will fail and reboot. | 21:22 |
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| eluiandil | Hi! I'm young developer for maemo. I need your help.* And I don't khow English well =((* | 21:24 |
| eluiandil | Does Maemo kernel supports "kernel markers" and how I can prove it? | 21:26 |
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| pupnik | i can not work on projects without being able to download -devel packages into sbox vm | 21:27 |
| jebba | BluesLee: evopedia uses squashfs which is not in maemo kernel (squashfs is out-of-tree for 2.6.28) | 21:27 |
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| jebba | so that's a read show-stopper. And the git archive doesn't have a single README or any docs of a any sort.... | 21:28 |
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| jebba | eluiandil: do you know what the .config option is for kernel markers? | 21:28 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes people | 21:29 | |
| timeless_mbp | anyone wanna try a package? | 21:29 |
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| jebba | they do have dumps though already which is nice: http://www.starox.org/pub/evopedia/wikipedia_dumps/en/wikipedia.squashfs | 21:29 |
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| jebba | timeless_mbp: what package? ... | 21:30 |
| BluesLee | jebba: that shoudnt be hard to add readme etc i would contact the author but i was not aware of the fact that the kernel on the n900 was <=2.6.29 | 21:30 |
| eluiandil | jebba: where i can read about it? | 21:31 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: maemo-splash | 21:31 |
| joppu | timeless_mbp: btw, Reflect is now in testing, with conversations fixed. | 21:32 |
| jebba | eluiandil: do you know what the .config name, like EXT2=y is for kernel markers? I can check for it if you want, but i dont know the name offhand | 21:32 |
| jebba | BluesLee: ya, not just 2.6.28, also that the module isn't built in by default of course makes it more problematic. I also launched the python app and got nothing, but that doesn't mean toooooo much. | 21:33 |
| jebba | apt-cache search maemo-splash nada | 21:33 |
| BluesLee | jebba: on my zaurus i used zbedic for offline wikipedia which is also available for the older nxxx models or not? | 21:35 |
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| eluiandil | jebba: Ohh... When I can read about kernel markers? I want to do this by myself | 21:38 |
| timeless_mbp | joppu: you need to fix the sim entry dialog | 21:39 |
| jebba | eluiandil: check kernelnewbies.org | 21:39 |
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| eluiandil | jebba: thanx) | 21:39 |
| jebba | BluesLee: no idea about either, but will investigate if you point me to them | 21:40 |
| pupnik | anybody got synergy built for n900? | 21:40 |
| joppu | timeless_mbp: there's currently nothing I can do. And it's not a major bug, is it? | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | well, there are two bugs: | 21:41 |
| siriusnova | so any word on any forthcoming nokia patches? | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. last i checked you had an [x] at the top right corner, where normal themes have no such thing | 21:41 |
| siriusnova | for the N900? | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. until i enter enough numbers, the login button is flat (text color = background color) | 21:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | siriusnova: it's a secret | 21:42 |
| siriusnova | hhmm | 21:42 |
| siriusnova | oh | 21:42 |
| timeless_mbp | even the managers at nokia don't know :) | 21:42 |
| siriusnova | :/ | 21:42 |
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| siriusnova | the n900 in its current form is really buggy | 21:42 |
| siriusnova | tons of rebooting, portrait mode doesnt work | 21:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Hello Early Adopter | 21:42 |
| siriusnova | lol | 21:42 |
| siriusnova | I know | 21:42 |
| timeless_mbp | doesn't work? | 21:42 |
| siriusnova | :/ | 21:42 |
| Robot101 | there will be some updates. probably. sit tight. :) | 21:43 |
| siriusnova | yeah when you use the dialer in portrait mode it pops up the keyboard | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | portrait mode exists for what, Call UI and perhaps Image Viewer | 21:43 |
| siriusnova | and i have to deselect it | 21:43 |
| siriusnova | everytime | 21:43 |
| siriusnova | in settings | 21:43 |
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| siriusnova | thats kind of dumb | 21:43 |
| siriusnova | :( | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | keyboard? | 21:43 |
| toggles_2 | ltimeless_mbp: lol | 21:43 |
| joppu | timeless_mbp: well, then give it a thumbs down, even though there's nothing I can do :P | 21:43 |
| redeeman | siriusnova: i've had no reboots? | 21:44 |
| siriusnova | ive had a few | 21:44 |
| ml-mobile | redeeman: it's not a universal problem | 21:44 |
| * ml-mobile had them constantly until yesterday | 21:44 | |
| timeless_mbp | siriusnova: ctrl-shift-p lets you create screen shots | 21:45 |
| timeless_mbp | can you make one of this keyboard? | 21:45 |
| siriusnova | uh | 21:45 |
| siriusnova | its in settings | 21:45 |
| siriusnova | display settings i think | 21:45 |
| siriusnova | or something | 21:45 |
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| jebba | maemo-splash++ | 21:50 |
| jebba | seems like n900fly updates 7 times today | 21:51 |
| tcarl|work | Is it possible to change to a dvorak keymap on the N900? | 21:51 |
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| guido_g | reset | 21:53 |
| mece | before I destructomogrify something, is it safe to move the baseq3 directory to ~/MyDocs/Q3/baseq3 and ln it from ~/baseq3 ? the pk3 files are so bloody big.. | 21:53 |
| guido_g | sorry | 21:53 |
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| tcarl|work | anyone using the maemo sdk virtual image? | 22:07 |
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| Milo- | time to test the earphones that came with n900 | 22:08 |
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| Milo- | lets see if they are any good | 22:08 |
| tcarl|work | I'm sure they're *GREAT* :P | 22:08 |
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| Milo- | does it work as handsfree? | 22:08 |
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| tcarl|work | I'll just default to my sony mdr-v600 | 22:09 |
| tcarl|work | No one gotten the maemo sdk virtual image working? | 22:10 |
| jebba | tcarl|work: yes. | 22:10 |
| tcarl|work | Do anything special? | 22:11 |
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| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#SDK | 22:11 |
| tcarl|work | my esbox pymaemo project didn't want to run :( | 22:11 |
| tcarl|work | or rather, create. | 22:11 |
| tcarl|work | I meant the vmware ubuntu system. | 22:11 |
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| jebba | Do non-english keyboards not have up& down arrows? (!!!) | 22:14 |
| tcarl|work | jebba: I believe that is the case. | 22:14 |
| jebba | how the fk can they not have up/down arrow? wtf?! | 22:15 |
| mece | jebba, It's not as bad as it sounds. if you need them for playing you can just reconfigure to us keyboard. | 22:15 |
| jebba | mece: how does one reconfigure them? | 22:15 |
| mece | choose different language | 22:15 |
| mece | for keyboard. | 22:15 |
| mece | hmm | 22:15 |
| jebba | that's not a very good option. | 22:15 |
| mece | jebba, how so? | 22:16 |
| jebba | because telling a user they have to reconfigure their keyboard to another language to play a game is FAIL | 22:16 |
| jon1012 | is there an apifor ovi maps ? | 22:17 |
| jon1012 | to embed it in other apps ? | 22:17 |
| jebba | (i can obviously do that on my own system, but not expect it of others, especially new users) | 22:17 |
| mece | jebba, I guess it depends on the game. I don't know how they are configured. Some might have specified the key, not the character. That way it should work directly. | 22:17 |
| jebba | i'm talking specifically about up & down arrows in burgerspace, if that helps :) | 22:17 |
| mece | I've yet to hear anyone complain about it. What's burgerspace? | 22:18 |
| jebba | you know of any fotos of these keyboards? | 22:18 |
| jaska | you can also edit the keymap i think.. atleast on n810 you could | 22:18 |
| jaska | xkb keymap :) | 22:18 |
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| jebba | a game i am packaging. Here's the complaint mece: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/burgerspace/1.8.3-10/ | 22:18 |
| jebba | jaska: that is total FAIL. I have a hard time grokking xkb/keymaps, it can hardly be expected of users. | 22:19 |
| mece | google finnish keyboard n900. First image hit (and second and third) | 22:19 |
| jebba | thx mece | 22:19 |
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| mece | http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/n900-nordic.jpg | 22:19 |
| Corsac | hmhm, what are the two buttons on the remote used for? | 22:20 |
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| pupnik | jebba: games should key off hardware keys, not the symbols associated with them | 22:20 |
| jebba | http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/n900-nordic.jpg | 22:20 |
| pupnik | at least if you're talking about keyboard d-pad | 22:20 |
| jebba | pupnik: so how should the game be set up? God, in this case it's hardcoded in C, so it's pretty much game over. | 22:21 |
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| jebba | man i'm glad i dont have to hit Fn to get up/down error | 22:21 |
| jebba | arrow freudian slip. And on finnish keyboards, no less | 22:22 |
| tcarl|work | annoying | 22:22 |
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| tcarl|work | Unknown package 'python2.5' for FREMANTLE_ARMEL, not installing >< | 22:22 |
| jebba | it's in the SDK or somewhere i have it | 22:22 |
| pupnik | jebba, i don't know - does game use sdl for input? | 22:23 |
| tcarl|work | ah. | 22:23 |
| tcarl|work | repository failure. | 22:23 |
| tcarl|work | could not stat source package list, http://repository.maemo.org | 22:23 |
| jebba | pupnik: yes, believe it is SDL (note i'm just porting someone else's game not my own) | 22:23 |
| mece | jebba, I was annoyed when I saw it, but when using the device I don't mind it at all. I'm very surprised. | 22:25 |
| jebba | ok. Still no clue how to go about fixing it. | 22:27 |
| pupnik | man, pulseaudio is sweet featurewise | 22:27 |
| jebba | mece: how does supertux do it on finnish keyboard? | 22:28 |
| pupnik | jebba, you will need to either make a map for every keyboard layout, or find a way to get the key position and not the reported keysym | 22:28 |
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| pupnik | obviously an issue that extends to many games and not just yours | 22:29 |
| * andre__ curses the sorting of chars in ASCII | 22:30 | |
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| tcarl|work | hrmm. | 22:33 |
| tcarl|work | Looks like the vmware maemo sdk image is not good | 22:33 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: getting key position should not be hard | 22:37 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: you are interested in untranslated X11 key events | 22:37 |
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| jebba | tcarl|work: i can give you access on a machine with a SDK if you want. | 22:38 |
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| ShadowJK | andre__, surely that's easiest thing to do | 22:44 |
| ShadowJK | when you only need to deal with one language :) | 22:44 |
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| ShadowJK | (I don't think you can write anything else than english sensibly in ascii?) | 22:44 |
| kynky | american | 22:46 |
| pupnik | ty for search term RST38h - do you think my idea is stupid or good? | 22:46 |
| andre__ | hmm. maybe I should blame Bugzilla developers instead in my case... | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | andre__, it's basically an impossible task | 22:47 |
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| * jaem moos | 22:48 | |
| ShadowJK | either treat all the world as if the speak C, or give up :-( | 22:49 |
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| tcarl|work | jebba: I'd like to be able to run ESbox though :P | 22:49 |
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| jebba | no clue what esbox is, but ok | 22:51 |
| eluiandil | Where in maemo(N810) locates vmlinux? I was checked /boot and /usr/src | 22:51 |
| tcarl|work | jebba: http://wiki.maemo.org/Eclipse_integration | 22:51 |
| jaem | eluiandil, somewhere odd that I can't recall | 22:51 |
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| jebba | jon1012: check http://maemo.org/packages/view/maep/ | 22:52 |
| johnsq | Hi | 22:52 |
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| tcarl|work | jebba: see also: http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/ | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | eluiandil, it's not in the filesystem? | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | I mean I wouldn't think anything would put it there | 22:53 |
| Arkenoi | 5 days of Docs2Go trial left. As there is still no Koffice, does anyone have idea how to reset the timer? | 22:54 |
| jaem | Arkenoi, buy it? | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | google docs? | 22:54 |
| jaem | no, but seriously, it's proprietary - have fun | 22:54 |
| Arkenoi | jaem, last time i checked it, the "buy" link was broken | 22:54 |
| jaem | haha | 22:54 |
| jaem | okay, maybe they don't want your money ;) | 22:54 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 22:55 |
| Arkenoi | looks like that ;-) | 22:55 |
| jaem | I liked the clause the EULA saying that they can personally audit your computers at any time if they give you notice | 22:55 |
| ifreq | mayb the link is into ovi store | 22:55 |
| ifreq | which is not yet open for n900 | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | I'm in general against software piracy, but when companies fail like that.. | 22:55 |
| Arkenoi | nope, to their own website and a dead one ;-) | 22:55 |
| ifreq | oh.. suckage | 22:55 |
| jaem | ShadowJK, now, now, it's not piracy unless it involves raping and pillaging on the high seas | 22:55 |
| jaem | but yes, I agree | 22:56 |
| jon1012 | jebba: is there a python api for maep ? | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | jaem, so what about piracy on the caspian sea, is that piracy | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | like isn't it a lake effectively | 22:56 |
| RST38h | jaem: Given that ship crews are usually all-male, who are you gonna rape on the high seas? | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | not a sea | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | despite the name | 22:56 |
| jaem | meh... whatever | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | there's this great picture on wikipedia showing pirates on the caspian | 22:57 |
| jaem | I just like to make the point that "piracy" is a completely overblown phrase designed to vilify something of debatable ethics | 22:57 |
| jaem | but not necessarily bad, and certainly not "evil" | 22:57 |
| jebba | jon1012: dunno | 22:58 |
| jaem | RST38h, maybe I was thinking more of vikings | 22:58 |
| lcuk | with all the piracy this year, the film industry managed a bumper season | 22:58 |
| cpscotti | I'm really happy with google docs.. | 22:58 |
| jaem | as in, "The music industry has suffered losses this year, to to raids by Internet Vikings" | 22:58 |
| jaem | sounds about as likely as what they claim now | 22:58 |
| jebba | jon1012: doesn't look like it. | 22:59 |
| ShadowJK | the sales of Ink quadrupled after it was "pirated" | 22:59 |
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| jaem | did you folks hear about the Canadian artists who've filed a class action suit against the CRIA for ~20 years of systematic copyright infringement? | 23:00 |
| jaem | they're asking for $6 billion in damages, which, by the record labels' standards, is an order of magnitude or so too low | 23:00 |
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| jon1012 | jebba: ok :( thanks | 23:01 |
| Roaziel | hi guys. a quick question... is it possible to include a 3rd language dictionary to the text input options? | 23:01 |
| jebba | jon1012: but perhaps you could contract developer to get more info: Till@Harbaum.org | 23:01 |
| jaem | Roaziel, not in the GUI | 23:01 |
| jaem | but I'm not sure if it's *possible* or not | 23:02 |
| jaem | maybe | 23:02 |
| Arkenoi | Ah, the link revived and it is just $10, so i probably buy it ;-) | 23:02 |
| Roaziel | dang... ok. thanks | 23:02 |
| Roaziel | how would it be possible? | 23:02 |
| jaem | Roaziel, you could poke around in the config files for it, but I wouldn't know where to start | 23:02 |
| Roaziel | i wouldnt dare :P | 23:02 |
| jaem | I'm sorry. I suspect it's not set up for that, but it's possible that it might just be an artificial limitation for simplicity | 23:03 |
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| Roaziel | im not so good at being all hacky and stuff :P | 23:03 |
| jaem | ah | 23:03 |
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| jaem | maybe poke timeless and ask him | 23:03 |
| jaem | -shrug- | 23:03 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 23:03 |
| Roaziel | lol | 23:03 |
| Dantonic | Hey I removed openssh from my N900 doing apt-get remove --purge openssh | 23:03 |
| Dantonic | how can I check that it was in fact removed? | 23:03 |
| Dantonic | if I type ssh I still get a list of commands etc... | 23:03 |
| jaem | any idea if more than two dictionaries can be added in the language settings (outside of the GUI)? | 23:03 |
| Dantonic | as if it is still installed | 23:03 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno | 23:04 |
| greenfly | Dantonic: dpkg -l <packagename> | 23:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure i don't want to find out :) | 23:04 |
| Roaziel | dang again :P | 23:04 |
| Dantonic | greenfly, what does that do? and thanks | 23:04 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, hehe... okay. Just thought I'd check with you | 23:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it's probably easier to reverse engineer one of the dictionaries | 23:04 |
| timeless_mbp | and merge a pair together | 23:04 |
| greenfly | Dantonic: will tell you the version of the package, if it's installed | 23:04 |
| jaem | Roaziel, why do you need three? | 23:04 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, so the format isn't documented, then? | 23:04 |
| eluiandil | ShadowJK, I can't find it | 23:04 |
| Roaziel | coz i speak 3 languages :P | 23:04 |
| Dantonic | ah | 23:04 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno | 23:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it might be | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | eluiandil, you wouldn't | 23:04 |
| Dantonic | no version... hmm | 23:04 |
| timeless_mbp | as i said, i don't want to look :) | 23:04 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, for some value of "documented" :P | 23:04 |
| jaem | yeah, I don't blame you | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | Dantonic, I think openssh is a metapackage that depends on openssh-client and openssh-server | 23:05 |
| jon1012 | anyone willing to beta test an app about bars and restaurants ? (right now, the geolocalisation stuff isn't done, so no need to be in one of the cities supported to give feedback :)) | 23:05 |
| timeless_mbp | my splash package is vaguely shiny | 23:05 |
| jaem | ShadowJK, that's correct | 23:05 |
| timeless_mbp | it just needs a pretty name | 23:05 |
| Dantonic | ShadowJK, ya I see just realized that... | 23:05 |
| Dantonic | client and server are still installed | 23:05 |
| Dantonic | thanks | 23:05 |
| konttori | nokia christmas party over! (at least for me) | 23:05 |
| jaem | Roaziel, I'll take a quick look at something, but I don't have time to look into it in depth right now | 23:05 |
| Dantonic | so what does apt-cache search do? | 23:05 |
| Roaziel | ok,, thanks :) | 23:05 |
| eluiandil | ShadowJK, i need it to check something. | 23:05 |
| jaem | Dantonic, searches the repos, in effect | 23:05 |
| jaem | although technically it's searching your cached database that you downloaded from the repo | 23:06 |
| Dantonic | jaem, ah ok | 23:06 |
| jaem | hence the name | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: hehe, plenty of snaps and good food? :) | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | eluiandil, I think easiest would be to follow the wiki instructions for building the N8x0 default kernel with defconfig? :P | 23:06 |
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| konttori | Stskeeps: no snaps, only the milder drinks. | 23:07 |
| Dantonic | I read that openssh can cause battery drain, not sure if that's true, but I'm willing to try without it... see if my battery improves | 23:07 |
| Dantonic | or at least remove just the server... | 23:07 |
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| konttori | food was ok. bands were pretty good, extra activities worked out really nice | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | although cat /dev/mtd2ro > kernel might work... | 23:07 |
| jaem | Dantonic, I hear turning your device on can cause battery drain! :O | 23:07 |
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| Stskeeps | konttori: ah, not a real scandinavian xmas lunch then ;) | 23:07 |
| greenfly | Dantonic: the client wouldn't. the server I wouldn't imagine would cause much | 23:07 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, God is calling you to come smack him down. | 23:07 |
| greenfly | IME the thing that drains the most power is the integrated IM stuff | 23:07 |
| * Arkenoi thinks i'd rather donate that $10 to koffice for maemo development, if there was a way just as handy | 23:07 | |
| Dantonic | greenfly, ya I kept the client | 23:07 |
| konttori | well, it was a huge event, some thousands of nokians in single place | 23:07 |
| jaem | Dantonic, if you're worried, then just disable the openssh daemon on startup | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: yeah.. then snaps wouldn't work out well | 23:08 |
| jaem | and then you can fire it up at will | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | like, symbian and maemoians getting in fist fights while drunk ;p | 23:08 |
| konttori | I think it's better to not to spoil the good time by offering some individuals too much to drink | 23:08 |
| Dantonic | jaem, how do I disable it? | 23:08 |
| konttori | now everybody was happy | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, aw, my mental image has them sitting in their own corners | 23:09 |
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| jaem | Dantonic, um, ell | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: with n900s? | 23:09 |
| Dantonic | is it /etc/init.d/ssh stop | 23:09 |
| Dantonic | ? | 23:09 |
| eluiandil | ShadowJK, I want to use nm, but i can't find vmlinux(sorry, if i not understand something, what you write - my english is not well:-$) | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | eluiandil, there is no vmlinux on the device | 23:09 |
| * Stskeeps isn't going to any typical danish xmas lunches this year :/ | 23:09 | |
| jaem | Dantonic, I think they're using upstart now, so I haven't a clue, come to think of it | 23:09 |
| Dantonic | ok | 23:09 |
| Dantonic | np | 23:09 |
| Dantonic | thanks | 23:09 |
| jaem | that should still work to manually stop it, but I don't know how to disable it on boot | 23:09 |
| Dantonic | well Idon't really need the server... | 23:10 |
| jaem | if they're using upstart, then you could probably search for instructions for Ubuntu | 23:10 |
| Dantonic | I only ssh from my tablet anyway.. | 23:10 |
| jaem | Dantonic, yeah, fair enough | 23:10 |
| jaem | I was thinking that it would be useful in case you lost it, though :P | 23:10 |
| Dantonic | oh hehe | 23:10 |
| jaem | you know, log in and yell at people with espeak | 23:10 |
| eluiandil | ShadowJK, whar about vmlinuZ? | 23:10 |
| eluiandil | *what | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | eluiandil, it doesn't exist | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | The kernel lives on the raw mtd flash | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | If you do 'cat /proc/mtd' you see the partitions. Mine says mtd: ... kernel, so I'd assume kernel is stored raw in there somewhere. | 23:12 |
| jaem | Roaziel, you should probably post your question on the forums. I'm sure there's someone else out there who wants the same thing, and it will get more exposure there | 23:13 |
| Arkenoi | btw i think it is a good idea to have "donate" button just right in the application manager gui. a good alternative to things like apple store. i think many people do not donate just because it cannot be done in a few clicks. | 23:13 |
| jaem | that area of Maemo isn't something I'm very knowledgeable about | 23:13 |
| eluiandil | i'll try to do it | 23:14 |
| GAN900 | Arkenoi, seems rather obnoxious. | 23:14 |
| Roaziel | uhh... which forums? :S | 23:14 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: People do not donate. | 23:14 |
| RST38h | Forget it. | 23:14 |
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| Arkenoi | rst38h: well, i paid for software several times despite the fact i already had a perfectly working "cracked" version | 23:15 |
| jebba | RST38h: yes people do, if it's a good application. For instance ardour. | 23:16 |
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| Arkenoi | and i remember a few more times i did not just because they accepted paypal only and my cc was not accepted by paypal, etc etc | 23:16 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: yes, but this is buying stuff not donating | 23:16 |
| Arkenoi | i donated too, for several symbian applications | 23:16 |
| Arkenoi | jbaktools and stuff | 23:17 |
| jebba | in fact, that's even how bittorrent was for a long time too.... | 23:17 |
| Arkenoi | and i did so just because it was easy | 23:17 |
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| jebba | ya, if it was easy it would fly for sure. "Paypal $5 to author" or somesuch. | 23:18 |
| jebba | wikipedia..... | 23:18 |
| * ShadowJK used to rageclose pages only accepting paypal | 23:18 | |
| Arkenoi | i think the good idea is to let the author choose "recommended" value | 23:18 |
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| jebba | ah, but i guess ardour guy isn't meeting his goal of $54,000/year in donations, which is a bummer | 23:20 |
| Milo- | is there a 'sent' box for sms-messages? | 23:20 |
| Milo- | oh, it's just a conversation look | 23:20 |
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| tcarl|work | crap. there is a problem with the gui installer, and the repositories >< | 23:22 |
| tcarl|work | Err http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org ubuntu-intrepid/free Packages | 23:23 |
| tcarl|work | 404 Not Found | 23:23 |
| andre__ | tcarl|work, because there is only jaunty and karmic | 23:24 |
| andre__ | intrepid is too old | 23:24 |
| jebba | tcarl|work: also note that isn't the "official" SDK | 23:25 |
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| tcarl|work | but, the official SDK errors out on that, jebba. Thats using the .py gui install script. | 23:30 |
| jebba | what's the URL of the .py script you have. | 23:30 |
| Gadgetoid | Where's the fscking Ovi store already, sheesh! | 23:31 |
| tcarl|work | jebba: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html | 23:31 |
| ruskie | who needs the store when one has app manager/apt-get | 23:31 |
| eluiandil | ShadowJK, /proc/mtd2 - what can i do with it? cat, mount, nm? | 23:32 |
| jebba | ok, didnt realize it was grabbing from there. | 23:32 |
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| ShadowJK | eluiandil, I guess you could try nm /dev/mtd2ro | 23:33 |
| tcarl|work | jebba: I'm running the shell scripts to install instead. | 23:33 |
| tcarl|work | that seems to be working. | 23:33 |
| jebba | ok, i dont even see "garage" appear in the shell scripts | 23:34 |
| tcarl|work | but the .py gui script does use it. | 23:34 |
| tcarl|work | err wait. nm | 23:34 |
| tcarl|work | its the sources.lst in the virtual image >< | 23:34 |
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| tcarl|work | # Repository for Scratchbox 2 installation | 23:35 |
| tcarl|work | deb http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host ubuntu-intrepid free | 23:35 |
| tcarl|work | # Repository for PC-Connectivity components | 23:35 |
| tcarl|work | deb http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/repository intrepid main | 23:35 |
| tcarl|work | thats the problem, the virtual image ships with that. | 23:35 |
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| eitreach | Is there a good place to get themes for Maemo? | 23:37 |
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| Gadgetoid | There will be when there are some themes for Maemo | 23:38 |
| jebba | "Note, selecting busybox instead of diff" gah, this is going to cause problems packaging diff, i assume... | 23:39 |
| jon1012 | (for those interested, here are screenshots of a pymaemo app I'm doing... http://i.imagehost.org/0075/screenshot04.png http://i.imagehost.org/0783/screenshot05.png http://i.imagehost.org/0183/screenshot06.png http://i.imagehost.org/0484/screenshot07.png ... someone willing to provide feedback on the ui ? :)) | 23:39 |
| * jebba looks | 23:39 | |
| jebba | what does the mountain icon mean in #6? | 23:40 |
| jon1012 | "street iew" it's temporary | 23:40 |
| jebba | that looks so fkn cool, jon1012 :) | 23:40 |
| woglinde | hoi jebba | 23:40 |
| jebba | ++ | 23:40 |
| eluiandil | <ShadowJK>nm says me: Warring: '/dev/mtd2ro' is not an orginary file=( | 23:40 |
| jebba | hey woglinde, take a look at jon1012 screenshots :) | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | eluiandil, well cat a copy of it first then? | 23:41 |
| jebba | jon1012: how far from reality is this program? Like just a few things or just mockup or? | 23:41 |
| Gadgetoid | Reminds me, I need to start working on a theme | 23:41 |
| jon1012 | jebba: it's working | 23:41 |
| woglinde | jebba hm? | 23:41 |
| jon1012 | jebba: like screenshot | 23:41 |
| jebba | wow cool. :) | 23:41 |
| jebba | (06:39:20 PM) jon1012: (for those interested, here are screenshots of a pymaemo app I'm doing... http://i.imagehost.org/0075/screenshot04.png http://i.imagehost.org/0783/screenshot05.png http://i.imagehost.org/0183/screenshot06.png http://i.imagehost.org/0484/screenshot07.png ... someone willing to provide feedback on the ui ? :)) | 23:42 |
| jebba | woglinde: ^ | 23:42 |
| jebba | can i have it? :) | 23:42 |
| woglinde | hm google street map hm | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | yes, density of the images and proximity to other irc text makes the ui for perusing the screenshots difficult | 23:42 |
| lcuk | please spread the screenshots out into a cohesive list | 23:42 |
| lcuk | :p | 23:43 |
| lcuk | other than that, the screenies are purdy | 23:43 |
| woglinde | hi lcuk | 23:43 |
| lcuk | hiya woglinde | 23:43 |
| jon1012 | ok :) | 23:43 |
| lcuk | looks good for pythong | 23:44 |
| lcuk | -g | 23:44 |
| * lcuk has to make python liq apps one day | 23:44 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Neglecting technical issues. | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Does google permit you to use streetview that way? | 23:45 |
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| lcuk | its my street | 23:45 |
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| lcuk | did i give them permission to take pictures of my house? | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | you can take your house off if you want. | 23:46 |
| flux | and google can change their apis if they want :) | 23:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or send a cease and desist in some cases | 23:47 |
| flux | I kinda doubt they'd bother, free software (I assume..) and all | 23:47 |
| eitreach | streetview isn't free, is it? | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | no. | 23:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Free as in beer, not as in pee | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | speech | 23:48 |
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| flux | atleast their map api doesn't give free license for embedding inside applications, IIRC | 23:48 |
| flux | I suppose time will tell?-) | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - fundamentally - they've collected the data - they want to obtain revenue from it. | 23:49 |
| jon1012 | it's a webpages | 23:49 |
| jon1012 | opened with dbus | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Or alternatively have expensively licensed the data from others | 23:49 |
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| jon1012 | using legit api | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | There are permitted ways you can use the content - even if you don't scrape | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't read the TOS | 23:50 |
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| Kht900 | Hi again everybody ! | 23:50 |
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| flux | their map api (note, I know nothing of their streetview apis) does give permission to use it for publically accessible services | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: IIRC there are caveats to that. | 23:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | flux: you cannot use it in certain ways. | 23:51 |
| woglinde | hm someone test qtnx now? | 23:51 |
| woglinde | args tested | 23:51 |
| woglinde | ~seen x-fade | 23:51 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (7h 8m 18s), last said: 'RST38h: Lunch, bbl.'. | 23:51 |
| jaem | woglinde, sure, in a moment | 23:51 |
| flux | speedevil, in any case, a small piece of software will likely go below their radar | 23:51 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: sure. | 23:51 |
| * SpeedEvil needs funding for openstreetview | 23:52 | |
| jebba | one helluva lunch | 23:52 |
| jebba | SpeedEvil: you do openstreetmap work? | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: yes | 23:52 |
| jebba | nice, great project :) | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I was looking at a camera platform capable of georeferenced images every ~2m of road in a small town of 40k | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | with the resolution able to read door-numbers at 25m | 23:53 |
| Gadgetoid | Hmm, just did a godawful silver/green theme | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | it's only a sizable fraction of a T actually | 23:54 |
| eitreach | Gadgetoid, as long as you aren't cloning the OSX-gui. :P | 23:54 |
| Gadgetoid | http://www.gadgetoid.com/n900/greenmantle_all.deb | 23:55 |
| jebba | Gadgetoid: got screenshot? | 23:55 |
| Gadgetoid | Not yet | 23:56 |
| jaem | woglinde, where is the package? | 23:56 |
| Gadgetoid | It's just a quick and dirty job | 23:56 |
| woglinde | jaem enable extras-devel | 23:56 |
| woglinde | and you need libxmuu | 23:56 |
| jaem | woglinde, I have it enabled - should it show up in App Manager? | 23:56 |
| woglinde | jaem which you can load from http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/heinold/nx/ | 23:57 |
| woglinde | jaem I hope soe | 23:57 |
| woglinde | args so | 23:57 |
| woglinde | I have to beg x-fade to promote libxmuu from sdk to devel again like for diablo | 23:57 |
| woglinde | I have tested my new packages for n810 and they worked | 23:58 |
| jaem | woglinde, new N810 packages, or the original ones? | 23:58 |
| woglinde | new nx libs | 23:59 |
| *** anselmolsm has quit IRC | 23:59 | |
| woglinde | latest 3.4 | 23:59 |
| woglinde | didnt change so much | 23:59 |
| eluiandil | ShadowJK, I think that i solve it) cat /proc/kallsyms! It's only what i need | 23:59 |
| woglinde | for client side | 23:59 |
| woglinde | qtnx can stay the same | 23:59 |
| jaem | oh snap... I forgot, I'm running qt 4.6, so I can't currently install qtnx | 23:59 |
| jaem | I can run it from the command line, though, right? | 23:59 |
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