IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2009-12-17

AbstractWSorry, its been many, many years.00:00
jebbaARCH=arm make menuconfig00:00
jebbaARCH=arm make rx51_defconfig00:00
jebbado those in reverse order that i wrote them there  ;)00:00
AbstractWHeh, have the N900 recompile its own kernel, for added fun :)00:00
Milo-We want gcc!00:00
lcukmaemo sdk repository00:01
AbstractWI have no doubt it'd take many, many hours.00:01
lcukthats easy00:01
* lcuk uses it everyday00:01
Milo-looked at extras-testing and found light httpd00:01
lcukapt-get install build-essential does most00:01
AbstractWgcc on the n900?00:01
lcukhell yeah00:01
* lcuk nods00:01
AbstractWIt really is a full blown linux install.00:01
Milo-have you ever wanted to have a web-server in your pocket?00:01
Milo-well now it is possible!00:01
lcukits got oddities00:01
lcukmer is better for complete building00:01
AbstractWMilo-: Thats what runs on!00:01
ifreqi found torrent client odd on a phone but well.. :P00:02
Milo-my old e71 had wlan-access point application00:02
AbstractWtorrent client on a phone, is good to abuse TMobile or ATT's network :)00:02
Milo-turned the internet connection from my phone service provider into a wlan access point :D00:02
lcukifreq, not odd if you consider thats where you want the media00:02
AbstractWI use one on my iphone, just to piss off ATT.00:02
* ml-maemo completes the "system admin via N900" achievement00:02
lcukand not odd if its just a computer00:02
Milo-so now I can have wlan connection AND http-server in two pockets!00:02
lcukadhoc wifi ftw00:02
AbstractWMy iphone runs a debian torrent, 24 hours a day.00:03
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AbstractWAnd each time it fully downloads the ISO, it starts over.00:03
AbstractWJust because :)00:03
pwnguinAbstractW: so you're the reason at&t sucks in SF :P00:03
lcukdoesnt it stop running if you get a call?00:03
cehtehap mode would be cool .. next time on the lug meeting the n900 could do the networking for the whole group00:03
jebbai wish, i have to prepay data and burn thru it *real* quick...00:03
AbstractWlcuk: Yeah, I have two buttons to pause and resume it on my home screen.00:03
lcukcehteh, yeah but its good enough at adhoc00:04
AbstractWpwnguin: No, I'm not in SF, I'm in the Midwest :)00:04
jebbacehteh: needs NAT module which isn't supported by stock kernel, not even if you build the modules, unfortunately00:04
cehtehhuh why not?00:04
lcukplus, some hotels you can get on the AP and do local connections00:04
Milo-Could it please be friday already :(00:04
AbstractWI wish.00:04
jebbasee this:
Milo-friday is the last day of school00:04
AbstractWGet to see the girlfriend on friday.00:04
Milo-and then I can start reading the developer's guide00:04
cehtehdoesnt need nat anyways, proxy ftw00:04
jebbacehteh: see this, re: NAT
AbstractWMilo-: It'll take about 10 minutes for that page to load.00:05
jebbaya, can proxy, not NAT, true.00:05
Milo-AbstractW :C00:05
jebbanot sure what you'd run for that. Squid? heh.00:05
Milo-so I need to start loading the pages, today.00:05
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AbstractWGarage is running off your litehttpd, on a n900 :P00:05
cehtehjebba: i rather wonder .. nat should be supported by stock kernel00:05
jebbacehteh: ya, would be nice....00:05
Milo-AbstractW 'just because they can'?00:05
cehtehAbstractW: nah its a cluster of unused n700'S00:06
AbstractWMilo-: No, because they want to piss off the community.00:06
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AbstractWStifle application development.00:06
Milo-so that is 'because they can'00:06
Milo-well, obviously, can't.00:06
jon1012Milo-: "flashlight" in extras-devel no ?00:06
Milo-jon1012 ah, devel00:07
AbstractWI wish my N900 would ship..... ><00:07
Milo-don't have devel repository added00:07
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lcukliqtorch in testing is lazy00:07
lcukbut works on n8x0 too00:07
Milo-lcuk but liqtorch uses screen, not camera led00:07
Milo-devel seems like a bad place to download stuff from00:07
lcukstuff thats in development00:07
lcukMilo-, yeah00:07
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Milo-but they seem to go to rootfs00:08
lcukit uses screen, because the ui for the leds isnt right00:08
Milo-which is bad mkay00:08
lcukjust how would you handle it00:08
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Milo-don't care00:08
Milo-users don't matter00:08
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AbstractWneeds more ruby on rails running on n900 :)00:08
pwnguinlcuk: maybe prevent the camera app from running on cover sliding00:09
* jon1012 got turbogears 2 apps working on its n900 :D00:09
lcuko_O really00:09
lcukpwnguin, but what if i want the camera00:09
pupnikjon1012: what iz dat00:10
pwnguinlcuk: perhaps disable it only while the "flashlight app" is running00:10
lcukpwnguin, i want torches on when recording video00:10
pwnguinlcuk: you're nuts00:10
lcukor when setting up for other shots00:10
pwnguinand the status quo is no better00:10
jon1012pupnik: python web framework :) (like ruby on rails but on python and 100x time better ;))00:10
pwnguinthe LEDs can be driven at flash for a half second tops00:11
pupnikare they brighter than the screen?00:11
pupnikterminal works fine for flashlight here00:11
pwnguinthe flash is mega bright00:12
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lcukhence pwnguin why i have an app in extras for a torch that works and isnt based on leds00:12
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pwnguinlcuk: im calling liqtorch the status quo00:12
lcukits a complex problem to use the leds for most cases00:12
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pwnguinyou could modify the camera app to offer a flashlight00:13
lcukbut that problem can be solved with 1 torch icon within the camera app itself00:13
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Arkenoiany ideas what can i purge on / filesystem?00:15
AbstractWArkenoi: the always helpful rm -rf / :)00:15
AbstractWpurge! :P00:15
lcuktheres some sort of usr folder00:15
lcukthat doesnt do anything, just get rid of it00:15
pwnguinis conffiles: a standard debian control field?00:15
AbstractWOh, you meant purge files that wouldn't affect the system :)00:16
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Arkenoigot 95% full. for no apparent reason - just yesterday it was just 80%00:16
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Milo-readline is probably not supported for maemo?00:26
Milo-as in readline/readline.h00:26
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lcukMilo-, which version :)00:29
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lcukwith maemo, its generally not "blah is not supported" its "has anyone ported it yet"00:29
Milo-well, I only talk about maemo500:30
Milo-and latest readline is from may 200800:30
lcukso was i, libreadline 4 and 5 are available00:30
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Milo-       It's too big and too slow.00:31
Milo-love that comment00:31
Milo-actually I was more wondering if ash supported it00:31
Milo-basic IO in bash seems to come directly from readline.h00:32
lcukget a device and find otu00:32
Milo-I got one00:32
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lcukor build the system you need00:32
Arkenoiwell, so what are primary candidates for freeing disk space on / ?00:32
* lcuk beds anyway00:32
Milo-but all the default bindings are missing00:32
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Milo-Arkenoi reboot takes off some caches00:32
Milo-no idea why some caches are stored in / but never the less.00:34
crashanddieArkenoi: do you use apt-get?00:34
Milo-crashanddie isn't the gui for software installations just a frontend to apt?00:35
crashanddiewhen you use command line apt-get, it doesn't remove the .debs it downloaded00:36
crashanddieso you need to clean out /var/apt/cache00:36
crashanddieor something like that00:36
Milo-btw, I want to keep the device's langauge 'English', but the date settings the way we Finns love to see the date, but when I change device to English, it won't let me touch the date-setting00:36
crashanddiefile a bug00:36
Milo-ahh, /var/ isn't its own partition00:37
Milo-I expected it to be00:37
grandenIs there any app, for screen recording?00:37
AbstractWgranden: VNC00:38
grandenAnd then record on my computer?00:38
grandenOr what00:39
AbstractWgranden: VNC server on the N900, then VNC client on any machine that you can use to record.00:39
AbstractWMay not get you fluid video, but it'll be close.00:39
lcukvnc2swf is something to mention here00:39
Milo-crashanddie not sure if it's a bug though00:40
crashanddieMilo-: it's an enhancement request00:40
Milo-the date format isn't allowed to be changed in any language00:40
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Milo-whoops, I always press 'skip' accidentally when it prompts my pin-code :P00:41
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jon1012what is the command name for the phone app ?00:42
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jon1012(I want to launch a call from api or command call)00:42
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Milo-you use dbus to launch it00:42
Milo-wiki user:jebba00:42
jon1012is there an example ?00:42
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Milo- under dbus00:43
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Arkenoicrashanddie, sometimes00:44
jon1012great thanks00:44
crashanddieArkenoi: then clean up your /var/apt/cache folder -- it contains old .deb files00:44
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pupnikit feels so good to browse web in links /console.   just the data...00:46
CorsacKhertan: did you try to use freeplayer from your n900?00:50
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Milo-tekojo is going to hold a maemo+Qt course, but only talks aboug gtk :/00:53
jon1012strange, when I try to call it from python I get "dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "CreateWith" with signature "s" on interface "" doesn't exist"00:54
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jon1012nevermind, found out :)01:04
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lcuktimeless, whats your favorite app on the n900 so far (not work related tho :p)01:06
ifreqisnt vim top app for ages? :/01:07
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lcukpossibly is01:08
timeless_mbplcuk: i don't use many apps...01:08
lcukwhy, whats missing, what would you use if it was there?01:08
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ifreqanyone remember this  from 770/possib 810 too?01:09
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jon1012updated with a python example01:10
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timeless_mbplcuk: thing is... i don't need much01:10
Proteouscomplete google voice integration01:10
Proteousseamless I should say01:10
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lcuki would personally like to use translation services to at least try talking with people from other countries live01:12
lcuktimeless, bah! then01:12
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LaiskaHmmm, have you guys transferred files (music / video) from PC to N900 via scp? First time I transferred music to ~/MyDocs/.music it seemed that the media player was unable to find the files..and now it works like a charm01:13
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Laiskasunspots or the position of the moon or is there a real trick to this?01:14
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timeless_mbpLaiska: tracker takes time before it finds stuff01:14
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Laiskatimeless_mbp: Hmm okay, any way to force it (besides reboot)?01:15
timeless_mbpand until it finds stuff, the media player won't show it01:15
ifreqLaiska: your name really suits u01:15
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ifreqthink you chose it on purpose01:15
Laiskaifreq: Aight :)01:16
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ifreqanyways think there was some cmd line option to reindex (having hard time to find it atm)01:17
crashanddiebest quote ever01:17
LaiskaOh and a brainfart in my comment, s/.music/.sounds01:17
ifreqcrashanddie: aye :) missing the right search words atm .. and well 1:20 AM01:18
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crashanddieCompany lawyer storms out of the CTO office, yelling: "This is the only god damn software company where people don't know what a frigging EULA is"01:18
Anidelhi guys01:18
Anidelis here a GTK expert?01:18
Anidelthat knows about GTK UI Manager?01:19
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Laiskaifreq: Ok, google I must. Not a big problem per se, but when uploading music in ahurry it would be apprciated if they were usable right away01:20
ifreqLaiska: Run tracker-processes -r as user in an xterm if youre in a hurry01:20
ifreqthats the cmd line option :P01:20
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Creteilhi all01:20
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ifreqdunno how often indexing is done without. tho i dont need instant access to new music :)01:21
CreteilI'm running openvpn + openvpn-gui under my N900, all seem to work in terms of connections, btw I can't disconnect ... any idea ?01:21
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johnsu01hm, what's openvpn-gui?01:24
johnsu01openvpn worked fine from the shell for me but the applet package didn't seem to do anything01:24
rangejohnsu01: You can reach the applet via the dropdown menu you can reach when touching the status area (where the battery is).01:25
Creteiljohnsu01: on my side the applet work for connecting, but the disconnect doesn't work (I have to killall openvpn) ...01:25
rangeAnd here both work :)01:26
johnsu01range: Yeah, the applet didn't add anything there for me. Maybe I need to restart.01:26
jon1012what is the default lock code on n900 ?01:26
jon1012I want to activate lock but it asks me the current lock code01:26
Creteilrange: can you give me the rights you have to the /etc/openvpn directory (wherever you put your vpn configs) ...01:26
range12345 as with most nokias.01:26
jon1012(it's not in the printed docs unfortunately)01:27
Creteilrange: can you give me the rights you have to the /etc/openvpn directory (wherever you put your vpn configs) ...01:27
rangeroot:root 75501:28
jon1012Creteil: I see you're in france, want to beta test an app for paris n900 owners ?01:28
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wolf^should qt applications do libosso initialization and cleanup?01:29
Creteiljon1012: depending on what the application do, why not ?01:29
jon1012Creteil: it's basically the mobile version of a site about bars and restaurants :)01:29
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jon1012that letsyou ask for example "find me a japanese restaurant near here with a romantic ambiance that is not too expensive"01:30
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Creteiljon1012: bof ... je suis casannier :-)01:31
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rangeIs there already a bug report open regarding the E-Mail client's use of localized "Re:" versions?01:31
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wolf^range, yes, and it's reported to be fixed01:32
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Creteilrange: is there a way to see a debug output of openvpn-applet to see why it doesn't disconnect my vpn's ?01:32
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rangewolf^: Do you have a bug number?01:32
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rangeCreteil: Yes. Under "manage connections" you can test connections.01:32
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wolf^range, 654101:33
rangewolf^: Thanks.01:33
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rangeSaves me opening one (after I got my server to work with the mail client) :)01:35
Creteilrange: this test show me I can connect (I already know that) btw I try to show why when I tap to disconnect, this doesn't disconnect anything at all ...01:35
rangeAh. Hmm, no idea.01:35
rangeInstall and start syslogd?01:35
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Creteilrange: apt-get install syslogd ???01:36
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rangeOr sysklogd, I only read about that (and you should only start it for debugging, as /var/log seems to be on the root fs, if I am not mistaken).01:37
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Creteilrange: ok01:40
Creteilrange: so, I suppose by default under maemo syslogd doesn't autostart on boot ?01:41
rangeAs said, I didn't use it yet, but I guess that openvpn would log there.01:41
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Creteilrange: look like openvpn-applet doesn't support spaces or specials characters in name of .ovpn file like : /var/run/openvpn.Mikli Events (Old).pid01:44
Creteilrange: do you know where I can get the 'less' console command (any package for the N900) ???01:46
Creteilrange: ok01:46
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Creteilrange: btw do you think most packages for N810 can run under N900 ?01:51
GAN900Creteil, it's probably is the SKD tools repo.01:51
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rangeCreteil: Just because I gave you one answer does not mean that I know the answer to all of your questions :)01:53
Creteilrange: yes, I know that :-)01:54
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LynoureGadgetoid_n900: hmm?02:12
Gadgetoid_n900microB is currently in offline mode and cannot browse the web02:12
LynoureGadgetoid_n900: is it?02:12
Gadgetoid_n900uncheck "work offline" in the file menu...02:12
LynoureGadgetoid_n900: I think I have gotten that once randomly, then closing the browsel and opening new one helped02:13
Gadgetoid_n900Methinks that dialogue wants updating02:13
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jon1012what is the good way of getting the current theme icons ?02:13
jon1012like the phone in the contact app ?02:14
jon1012for my app buttons02:14
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Gadgetoid_n900just watched avatar in 3d.... long film is long02:15
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timeless_mbpGAN900: ping02:22
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timeless_mbpJaffa: ping02:22
Gadgetoid_n900ahhhh sleeoytime02:23
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GAN900timeless_mbp, pong?02:29
Flandryare the icons in maemo packages really 26x26?02:29
timeless_mbpsurely that's documented somewhere02:30
Flandryok i'll update the wiki02:30
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timeless_mbpfor maemo4 it was 26x2602:30
Flandrywell that's what i used before, but that page is wrong02:30
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Flandrywill note that02:30
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Flandryseems that Maemo_packaging should be for current release, no?02:31
timeless_mbpi don't like wikis :)02:31
Flandrybeats nothing i guess02:32
jon1012(mmh... there is still a big need for info on programming with pymaemo to have apps that use all the potential of n900...)02:32
jon1012(I've found how to place calls, show notifications (simple and multiline), have buttons with native icons and so on... but it was documented very badly :()02:33
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jon1012(nearly no docs for all that)02:33
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fralsfeel free to add it to the wiki ;)02:36
jon1012yup I'll doo02:36
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HydroxideStskeeps: follow-up on my GPS issue: and - like those commenters, I was also able to solve the problem by switching to google's SUPL server02:39
povbotBug 7057: not working for Networking positioning on T-Mobile USA02:39
jon1012going to sleep, good night everybody02:39
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cehtehcool to tell google always where you are .. i have already concerns with nokia but uhm02:40
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Hydroxidecehteh: well, go ahead nokia, fix your SUPL server or work with T-Mobile if they're the problem :) (etc etc)02:40
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Hydroxidecehteh: hopefully the bug and thread will produce a useful result02:41
cehtehHydroxide: actually i want reasnonable standalong gps :/02:41
Hydroxidecehteh: yeah, that's hard to obtain in a cell chip02:41
cehtehmight become a dealbreaker for me02:42
nezbhas anyone here tried to buy an extended warranty from Nokia only to be told you can't since it is after purchase?02:42
cehtehwhats extended?02:42
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nezbthey want me to return the N900 and buy a new one just to get the extra year warranty for $50 more02:42
cehtehusa? :)02:42
nezbUSA ..02:43
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Flandryoh that's funny: XB-Maemo-Icon-26 is still the valid field name, even though the icon is 48 pix now02:43
cehtehwell you get the n900 dirt cheap02:43
Hydroxidecehteh: you know, I don't believe the SUPL server actually learns your location. or at least not mandatorily. I think it depends on which location mechanism you use02:43
nezb"dirt cheap" - hardly02:43
cehtehhere in europe 2 years are by law anyways02:43
nezbcehteh: what does that have to do with it anyway?02:43
Hydroxidenezb: you should see what your credit card offers... many credit cards will give you an extra year of warranty when the manufacturer's warranty is not more than a year02:44
cehteh600Euros are about 850dollars or what?02:44
nezbHydroxide: It was a regular VISA card so no :(02:44
n900ev11i am having problems bringing up wlan0 when cell data is up. i have ifconfiged- but cannot find iwconfig/wpa_suppolicant toauth02:44
nezbcehteh: oh wow, that sucks :\ mine was USD$50002:44
pupnikDo not use Sprint02:44
Hydroxidenezb: "regular"?02:44
Hydroxidenezb: you mean a debit card?02:44
cehtehnow you see europeans pay premium for customer laws02:44
n900ev11ceht: some of europe02:45
nezbHydroxide: no just a credit card, but there's no "extras" like that attached to it02:45
pupnikand for taxes on every economic activty - 300 percent gas tax for e.g.02:45
cehtehyeah i dont know if its the same throughout europe02:45
nezbcehteh: :\02:45
n900ev11ceh: 12 mo in uk02:45
wazd_n800~seen VDVsx02:45
infobotvdvsx <n=Valerio@Maemo/community/council/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 2h 1m 34s ago, saying: 'jeremiah,'.02:45
nezb12 month warranty is rather short...02:45
Hydroxidenezb: they don't advertise them very much - you have to look at the guide to benefits that comes with your card, or ask them to send it to you again if you've lost it02:46
cehtehin germany you have 2 years and your dealer is rasponsible, not the manufacturer .. just send it back, he even has to cover all shipping fares02:46
nezbHydroxide: I will call them and ask02:46
n900ev11pup 300? where! I want some :/02:46
wazd_n800nezb: DDP devices have 1w warranty ;)02:46
nezbHydroxide: should have used an AMEX card instead of VISA02:46
Hydroxidenezb: mine is a mastercard and it offers this... I believe many visa cards offer it too02:46
n900ev11anyhone tethered wife?02:46
nezbwazd_n800: ddp?02:46
Hydroxidenezb: it depends02:46
wazd_n800nezb: developer device program02:47
Hydroxidenezb: generally ones that call themselves "platinum" or "world" or similar02:47
nezbwazd_n800: but aren't those devices special?02:47
wazd_n800nezb: they are usually broken, otherwise no02:48
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nezbHydroxide: I just think it is strange Nokia refuses to sell it to me after-the-fact02:48
Hydroxidecehteh: you should look into the difference between ACWP and AGNSS... from the little info I can find on it looks like one of them probably doesn't involve the SUPL server learning your website and the other one does02:48
Hydroxidenezb: many extended warranties are like that. not just nokia's. others have a time period after the purchase where you can add the warranty02:49
Hydroxidenezb: at least you were offered it - I live in one of the two US states where they don't offer it at all02:49
Hydroxidenezb: so I'm glad for my credit card benefit02:49
nezbHydroxide: where do they not offer _any_ warranty?02:49
cehtehHydroxide: learning my website?02:49
Hydroxidenezb: no, they have the standard 12mo one02:49
Hydroxidecehteh: are you the wiki master?02:49
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cehtehwhat wiki master? :)02:50
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Hydroxidecehteh: oh, I made a typo02:50
n900ev11what software deals with network interface config?02:50
Hydroxidecehteh: "learning your website" should have been "learning your location". makes sense now? :)02:50
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n900ev11i am having problems bringing up wlan0 when cell data is up. i have ifconfiged- but cannot find iwconfig/wpa_suppolicant toauth02:50
nezbn900ev11: /sbin/iwconfig?02:51
n900ev11nezb: that would be too easy.02:51
cehtehwell there is a lot things which can be inferred even if not supplying the location information directly02:51
n900ev11oh - pathological02:51
Hydroxidecehteh: not sure. if all it's doing is sending you the current GPS ephemeris to make it quicker to lock onto the satellites, that doesn't tell much02:51
cehtehand did anyone of you did a tcpdump on a AGPS request?02:52
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nezbHydroxide: just called VISA, you were right, thanks :)02:52
cehtehit gets your current ip, provider, online time .. if its http it might include cookies and other supplemental data02:52
n900ev11nezb: nope02:52
Hydroxidecehteh: that's what I would expect, yeah. and it's not http02:53
Hydroxidecehteh: and not via the browser either02:53
odin_how are bluetooth keyboard keymappings setup ?02:53
cehtehIMEI, gps serial number, ... whatever02:53
Hydroxidecehteh: the specs for the protocol are public if you want to look02:53
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Hydroxidecehteh: and there's a reasonable chance that the relevant bit of nokia/maemo source code is available - not sure exactly02:54
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cehtehiirc thats exactly the stuff which is not open02:54
cehtehi didnt checked yet .. i dont have a device either02:55
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odin_generic-bluetooth 0005:0000:0000.0002: input: BLUETOOTH HID v0.00 Keyboard [VKB Keyboard] on 34:7E:39:5B:A4:6102:55
cehtehwell a tcpdump should give some info too02:55
Hydroxidecehteh: not if it uses SSL as it might. but, as I said, the protocol is public02:56
Hydroxidecehteh: I believe it's SUPL 1.0. (if not, it's a newer version of SUPL)02:57
Hydroxidecehteh: the open mobile alliance has pdfs)02:57
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infobotHydroxide meant: cehteh: the open mobile alliance has pdfs02:57
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n900evilare there timeshared n900s?02:58
odin_hmm... does bluetooth keyboard + WLAN work well?  since I fired up my keyboard the WLAN now has a TCP SendQ02:58
n900evilas in pubic ones?02:58
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Hydroxiden900evil: I think you're missing a very relevant "l" :)03:00
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odin_yes my WLAN ssh connect into N900 definately stops/stutters when my Bluetooth wireless keyboard is turned on03:01
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SpeedEvilxchat over 3g - the phone gets noticably warm03:03
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SpeedEvilAdmittedly, my ambient temp is 7C, but still.03:04
* SpeedEvil tries to work out how to tether via wifi now his laptop works.03:05
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luke-jr_SpeedEvil: with Linux or with Maemo?03:08
SpeedEvilI'm currently just trying to convince the n900 to bring up both interfaces03:09
SpeedEvilwlan0 and phone03:09
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SpeedEvilthen ssh -D will do for the moment03:09
Arkenoidoes irreco launch lircd authmatically on your phones? i have to do that via xterm, quite annoying03:09
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luke-jr_SpeedEvil: is 3G ppp?03:12
luke-jr_can you run dual ppp sessions? :D03:12
SpeedEvilwell - I don't care03:12
luke-jr_ssh n900 pppd ...03:12
SpeedEvilas I understand it yes03:12
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SpeedEvilbut not that way probably03:12
* SpeedEvil wonders if iwconfig is in repos03:13
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odin_ah where can I get "evtest" compiled for N900 ?03:15
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odin_yes linux support multiple PPP connections at the same time, now if the firmware might accidentally interfere with a connection it doesn't manage/know about, is another matter (maybe even a bug)03:16
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SpeedEvilodin_: that's a sligtly different matter to the 3g interface doing it.03:16
SpeedEvilodin_: as I understand it, it does, but a process needs to multiplex between these.03:17
SpeedEvilThis may or may not be the phonet device03:17
odin_oh you mean "Bonding" ? as in MPPP ?03:17
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SpeedEvilI mean connections to multiple APNs over the same 3G hardware03:17
odin_ah yes that requires input from hardware support to do it03:18
odin_I am lucky at the moment, since N900 doesn't support WAP or MMS then there is only Internet Access left03:19
odin_ah.. why you you think "a process needs to multiple betwee these." ??03:20
odin_the hardware/driver needs to provide a multiplexing transport, this might be achieved on seperate devices /dev/foo0 /dev/foo1 etc... or might be achieved by one device but with a unique instance when it is opened /dev/foo03:20
SpeedEvilodin_: because there are for the phone interface lowest levels - several modes03:21
pupnikmy provider (tschibo/o2) in germany wont let me dial or use internet03:21
SpeedEvilodin_: you can for example use 'at' commands to dial and do stuff - but this means that you can't get call notifications inside gprs03:21
odin_but the pppd and ppp stack of linux does not need to do anything special, its a device driver/capability issue03:21
SpeedEvilodin_: you need to use the channel functionality of the underlying hardware - to seperate out command and data.03:22
SpeedEvilodin_: and the same functionality enables multiple apns at once - as I understand it.03:22
pupnikwish i could turn the phone off03:22
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odin_I don't know what modem unit is in the N900, but some standalone GSM modules with serial/AT interface provide a way of multiplexing AT command/response and GPRS data03:23
odin_but I have never heard of one that can multiple multuple streams of GPRS data (which is what u ask originally)03:23
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odin_s/that can multiple multuple streams/that can multiplex multiple streams/03:24
infobotodin_ meant: but I have never heard of one that can multiplex multiple streams of GPRS data (which is what u ask originally)03:24
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pupnikcan media player play files on mmc1?  appears t ignore card03:27
SpeedEvilactually,it's not.03:27
SpeedEvilI originally asked forhow to bring upwifi interface when phone was active.03:27
odin_pupnik, mine can find/play from MMC bit I have them in a directory /media/mmc1/Music/03:27
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odin_pupnik, I never thought the name "Music" was significant and I always uploaded via USB Storage controller (do I guess it auto-indexes)03:28
odin_SpeedEvil, but which "default route" do you want it to take ?  yes I think the hardware can achieve it, but for what purpose?03:29
odin_SpeedEvil, the only issue is the "default route" and possible a set of IP address+netmask list of "policy routing overrides" for destination IPs you want to not take the default route03:30
odin_SpeedEvil, obviously directly attached networks always do the correct thing03:31
odin_SpeedEvil, the policy routing stuff needs to have been enabled in the kernel and is configurable with "/bin/ip" from a normal linux box03:32
SpeedEvilodin_: I simply - for the moment - want 10.* over wifi - and * over 3g03:33
SpeedEvilthis is actually what I have setup at the moment - but the wifi encryption is not setup - so it's not working03:33
SpeedEvilthen ssh -D on the phone to setup a socks proxy03:33
SpeedEvilI have ifconfig up'd the interface - but lack iwconfig or wpa_supplicant to bring up WAP03:34
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odin_take a look at: /etc/udhcpc/libicd_network_ipv4.script03:35
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odin_get the default route for wlan to be "metric 1"03:35
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SpeedEvilthe issue isn't the routing03:35
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SpeedEvilIt's simply that the interface is not bringing up WAP03:36
odin_no but the issue _WILL_BE_03:36
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SpeedEvilno, it's not, there is no routing issue03:36
odin_until you have the wlan0 always adding a default route with metric 1, there is no point working on getting GPRS up as well03:36
SpeedEvilssh -D on the phone - setup a socks proxy.03:37
SpeedEvilconfigure pidgin and firefox to point to that socks proxy03:37
SpeedEviljob done03:37
SpeedEvilIf both interfaces are up, and the route to the localnet points to wifi - as it does03:37
odin_ok what happens when the GPRC iface goes down ?03:37
odin_ah damn.. you don't have the default route the wlan setup again, you loose it03:38
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odin_the idea is simply to provide your preference to priority for defautl route, (you want it to be GPRS when up, and I presume WLAN when WLAN is up but GPRS is down, etc..)03:39
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n900evilroute is irre03:39
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n900evillevant if both interfaces are not up03:39
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SpeedEvilmy DSL connection - this one - has ~120s of delay03:41
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odin_not sure Im fully understanding you comments from n900evil03:41
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SpeedEviln900evil: = me.03:41
* Arkenoi tries to re-route incoming cellular calls to sip when it is available. can cut roaming costs to effective zero if it works..03:41
SpeedEvilTo recap.03:41
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SpeedEvilI have currently set the routes and brought up wlan0 manually - if I could get WAP logged in - this would be a simple case of running ssh -D on the phone to setup a SOCKS proxy server, and it just works.03:42
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SpeedEvilYes, routes are of course important to do it 'properly' - but the phone will not bring up both interfaces at once - by default - so that's a bit irrelevant.03:43
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odin_"icd" just need to be improved03:46
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odin_check out.... /etc/udhcpc/default.bound for "route del default"  .. this will kill your GPRS thats running03:49
odin_and /etc/gprs/ for I guess GPRS stuff03:50
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SpeedEvilthat looks relevant.03:54
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* SpeedEvil wishes sshing back into the phone over gprs was plausible03:55
SpeedEvilsorry I'm nto being as clear as i might be tonight, and thanks for the help03:56
odin_SpeedEvil, no need to apologise04:01
odin_does anyone have SDK installed and running?  can they try to compile: please04:01
SpeedEvilodin_: cheesy alternative04:02
SpeedEvilodin_: the records are 16 bytes long04:02
SpeedEvilodin_: hexdump04:02
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SpeedEviland yes, it's less useful for some things04:02
odin_actually that link is v1.23 and I see 1.25 is around04:02
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odin_trying to map my Bluetooth keyboard, the iTech laser thing, as a number of keys do not work04:03
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odin_maybe I check the CDROM that came with it lols04:05
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SpeedEvilHow are you setting up bt?04:07
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odin_setting up?04:08
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odin_I switched it on... activated pairing... N900 did its thing, offered a random code... I typed code into keyboard.... paired... now it half works as expected, I switch it on and letters/numbers work04:09
SpeedEvilWhat steps are needed to setup a bt keyboard - I diddn't see anything obvious - and hte 'bluemaemo' thing or whatever its name was installed - and.04:09
SpeedEvildiddn't work when I tried it like that.04:09
SpeedEvilmaybe I need to retry.04:09
SpeedEvilbatteries may have been dead04:10
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odin_I agree with someone post, the audio jack of on the wrong side of the device, it should be on left side (since headphones are wired up that way too)04:11
Arkenoihow much does iTech keyboard cost? i thinked about buying one, but it is hard to find..04:12
odin_also to fix this issue about host-mode-usb, why don't we petition to have a *additional* USB-Mini-B connector on the next model04:13
odin_Arkenoi, I think I paid around $12904:14
SpeedEvilodin_: personally, I want usb-over-headphone-connector04:14
odin_surely a mobile computer (as opposed to a "smart phone") MUST have a host-mode USB port, so just keep the existing USB-Micro-A connectors for OTG and charging and provide an additional and independant connector for host-mode (which is capable of running a memory stick, 100mA max or something)04:15
Arkenoiodin: is it handy? having *no* tactile feedback must suck. but it looks incredibly cool ;-)04:16
odin_Arkenoi, only had it a few days, not had time to play with it, main focus is setting it up propertly (so all punct/control keys works correctly)04:17
* odin_ wonders if you are allowed to take a laser device onto an airplane ?04:17
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odin_the issue I am seeing at the moment, is when I switch it on, my SSH session to the N900 starts to degrade, to the point of TCP retries and stuff04:18
odin_so my concerns are, if I use BT VKB will I loose WLAN (which kind of defeats part of the point of the setup)04:18
odin_Arkenoi, it does a key click sound, and I want to sort out the "debounce" problem, maybe turning down the sensitity will fix it, but it appears too easy to double press something when trying to type normally04:20
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* Arkenoi thinks on iTech keyboard + 3m pocket projector combo ;-)04:22
odin_hmmm... but no host-mode-usb to USB displays+ BT mouse :(04:23
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SpeedEvilodin_: what if you turn off powersave04:23
shiznebitanyone know how you can completely screwed an omap processor04:24
odin_I'd really like a netbook sized LCD on USB (with self-power option), the LCD must be 1024 or 1280 (i.e. better then N900 as-is)04:24
shiznebitto the point where it completely sucks04:24
odin_ok some keys just dont plan work on keyboard!  Q W A (maybe its setup for NL ?)04:25
lcukodin_, just buy a netbook04:25
shiznebitodin i got a touchbook04:25
odin_lcuk, no I dont want to always carry around a netbook04:25
odin_lcuk, I just want to carry around the bits I need at the time or just a phone at other times04:25
shiznebitim selling mine for $20004:26
Macerodin_: i usually carry my bt keyboard and my phone.. but i have a G104:26
Macerno god office apps04:27
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xorAxAxMacer: which keyboard do you have?04:29
odin_shiznebit, nice idea... really need 1280xwhatever for something that size04:29
Macernokia su8w04:30
MacerxorAxAx: used to use it with my n810 a ton... going to get an n900 sooner or later04:30
shiznebitodin_, well its 102404:30
xorAxAxMacer: i mean the bt kb04:31
Maceri said04:31
Macera nokia su8w04:31
Macerit's a nokia folding portable bt keyboard04:32
odin_yeah this keyboard isn't usable as-is not all keys are mapped04:32
Macerheh. well. the su8w works for the most part04:33
Macerkind of odd on the G1 though.. plus the G1 is a pain to connect to04:33
Macerhave to do it manually every time04:33
Macerfrom the terminal04:33
odin_X11 says: VKB Keyboard: Found 4 mouse buttons, VKB Keyboard: Found x and y relative axes, VKB Keyboard: Found scroll wheel(s), VKB Keyboard: Found keys, ...04:34
odin_hmm "od -x /dev/input/event4" does not look like fun.. 1 keypress = 6 events04:35
SpeedEvilpress and release/04:37
odin_sure yep... each makes 3 packets of 16bytes ?   as in KEY_DOWN and KEY_UP04:37
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odin_I think I shall wait until I have compiled evtest.c04:37
odin_(which shall be next year)04:38
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odin_when you use your Nokia SU8W with N900, what does /tmp/X.log say ?04:40
Maceri don't have an n900 yet04:40
Maceri use it with my G1 and my n81004:40
shiznebitMacer, don't get the n90004:40
odin_does N810 have /etc/X.log ?04:40
Macerer. i'm sure it might. not sure really. never had a need to look at the X log :)04:41
shiznebitjust wait until the N9999 comes out04:41
Macerwith a compass04:41
MacerAND VIDEO!04:41
shiznebityou'll need to call the cops, CAUSE IT WORKS04:41
Maceri need an n900 anyways. my death ray broke on my n81004:42
shiznebityour death ray ?04:42
odin_I mean /tmp/Xorg.0.log  mine has "(II) VKB Keyboard: Found keys" for example.. I'd like to knwo if yours says "(II) nokiasu8w: Found keys"04:42
RaytrayI'm ray04:42
odin_i.e. the label is there or not04:42
Macerodin_: when i wake up i'll try it ;)04:42
Maceri'm copying stuff to my n810 now04:42
Maceri actually only got it to hook it up to my day by day car04:43
Macerso i could use a bt obd2 thing and carman04:43
odin_infact it might be "(II) Nokia SU-8W: Found keys"04:43
MacerBUT.. my 94 caprice doesn't have an obd2 port04:43
Macerit has some obd1.5 crap04:43
Macerand the n810 is useless in my 2009 tahoe :)04:44
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Maceri just wanted to add a little tech to my old 94 caprice :)04:44
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GAN900Raytray, random.04:47
RaytrayGAN900, They were talking about death rays :P04:47
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RaytrayHighlighted me twice. :(04:47
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microlithnot a single crash today05:15
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xorAxAxis it really bad to use extras-devel on the device? most packages should be fine05:26
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SpeedEvilxorAxAx: no majors here05:52
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joppuReflect 0.72 now in exteras! Conversations now highly visible!08:22
RST38hWhat is Reflect? =)08:22
joppuA theme :)08:22
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GAN900joppu, not sure about the blue.08:40
GAN900I'd prefer it a few notches more subtle.08:40
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siriusnovaanyone try the fennec nightly releases?08:44
siriusnovafirefox mobile?08:44
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Corsachmhm, is there a way to import sms from another phone?08:49
Corsacseems they are not on the sim card08:49
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joppuHmm... where's the fremantle promotion interface?08:51
joppuGAN900: blue on what part?08:51
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Ceron awsome09:01
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DocScrutinizer51Corsac: SMS are rarely stored on SIM nowadays. SIM storage space is really severely limited for SMS. So all phones store (most of ) SMS in internal storage09:10
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CorsacI used wammu to get my sms from my SE Phone, no I have them on xml format or gammu format09:11
Corsacand found
Corsacso I might be able to fit the stuff together09:11
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siriusnovahmm interesting09:22
Corsachmh, are there python bindings for that osso stuff?09:23
CorsacI'm not sure I want to transform that xml stuff into csv but I'd prefer to doing xml in C either :)09:23
siriusnovathe dashboard little menu thing where it shows your volume and availability etc.. doesnt show more then 6 items09:23
siriusnovawhich kind of sucks09:23
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Corsachmhm, and the “Internet connection” stuff doesn't show the ip address09:34
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adeusis it still hidden09:42
adeusI don't have the final version, but it used to be available when you click the title bar and properties from there09:43
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Corsacin the title bar I have “internet connection” but that only displays the ssid09:51
Corsachmmh, and is the n810 “chr” key gone? (like, to be able to type accentuated chars in qwerty)09:51
KhertanCorsac: nope i ven't try to use freeplayer. ... what is it ?09:52
KhertanHi everybody :)09:52
CorsacKhertan: is you adsl provider free?09:53
Khertannope :)09:54
Corsacthat's why you don't know09:54
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crashanddie_mbplol... Just got a "defect tracking" excel spreadsheet sent to me by a customer09:55
crashanddie_mbpThis is pretty normal, they track the defects, etc09:55
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crashanddie_mbpwhat isn't normal, is that the spreadsheet is 15MB09:56
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Xisdibikmust have alot of defects?09:57
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crashanddie_mbp6 defects in total09:59
crashanddie_mbpnone of them higher than "minor10:00
adeusa massive edit history?10:00
crashanddie_mbpor enhancement10:00
Ceronis there anyone at sygic working here10:00
Ceronim intrested to be a beta tester10:00
Ceronof there navigation software >_<10:00
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Ceronyes their :\10:01
KhertanStill spell checking everybody sentences crashanddie_mbp  :)10:02
KhertanHi crashanddie_mbp10:02
crashanddie_mbpyo Khertan10:02
crashanddie_mbpKhertan: still, yes10:02
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crashanddie_mbpspellchecking :P10:02
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crashanddie_mbpand there come the bots10:03
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crashanddie_mbpanyway, I have to wake up in about 5 hours to catch my flight back to Europe10:05
crashanddie_mbpI'm kinda happy to be leaving California10:05
crashanddie_mbpaaah, Europe, my beloved continent... You know... Where the history comes from :P10:06
adeusat this temp, I'd rather be in California :P10:06
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crashanddie_mbpadeus: I'm moving to Australia in early Jan10:06
fluxany suggestions for a class 6 MicroSDHC card for n900? rumor says A-Data and RiData have had some issues. transcend maybe?10:06
crashanddie_mbpJust under 30C at the moment10:07
adeussame here10:07
Ceroni wonder if sygic will be as bad as Ovi maps :D10:07
adeusonly -3010:07
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Khertanand it s snowing ...10:07
adeusAustralia sounds good as well10:07
Ceronwant to be burned alive? Move to Australia!10:08
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adeusthey still have witchhunts? :)10:08
Ceronlol no.. Wildfires10:08
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Ceronadeus: but im sure your n900 will make you look like you have magic in your hands10:09
Arkenoiflux: actually class 4 is enough10:10
adeusmy n900 is still in the shop :(10:10
fluxarkenoi, enough in that n900 can't perform faster?10:10
adeusI only have crappy protos here10:10
fluxarkenoi, or simply enough for video recording and playback?10:10
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crashanddie_mbpflux: if you want to pay double the price and take risks, sure10:11
Arkenoican't perform faster10:11
crashanddie_mbpflux: if you want to play it safe and save a few bucks, go with the recommended ones ;)10:11
Arkenoithe speed limit is slightly below class 410:11
ruskiehmm rox-filer seems to be a usable file manager for the n900 even without hildonization10:11
crashanddie_mbpCeron: (not safe for work)10:11
Ceronim sorry, im at awork10:12
ruskiethough lacks a bit of things10:12
cosmo_what's unsafe about that? just a clothes store10:13
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cosmo_nothing you wouldn't see on a good beach10:13
fluxI suppose class 4 is sufficient then, I'm not likely going to use it directly with a PC10:14
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DocScrutinizer51ruskie: mc ftw10:16
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ruskieDocScrutinizer51, lol... mv/cp/rm/ls FTW ;)10:17
ruskieow and scripting to get stuff done :)10:17
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DocScrutinizer51flux: my genuine Nokia 16GB uSD was not a cent more expensive than the broken kingston I bought before10:18
ruskieI never buy kingston10:19
ruskiehad a friend that had constant issues with it10:19
fluxdocscrutinizer51, indeed, teh internet says kingston is not advisable10:19
ruskieI tend to buy patriot or a-data though... happy with both10:19
fluxsandisk apparently works10:19
ruskiesandisk more or less always works10:19
fnordiansliphmm.  any ideas on this ?10:19
fnordianslipoh.  can't paste that shortish line10:19
ruskieis there a / in front? then add another one and a space before10:20
fluxdocscrutinizer51, well, the nokia card info atleast on the finnish nokia shop doesn't say anything about its performance10:20
fluxwhile its price indeed is competitive (except the shipping is out of proportion)10:21
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fnordianslipyep, it did start with a slash . d'oh! too early for me, no sleep.10:21
ruskiefnordianslip, grep -r "\-Qy" *10:22
ruskiethat should show you the screwed up flag10:22
fluxmm, grep -r -- -Qy * sounds better10:23
DocScrutinizer51flux: class2 here. noname. So you probably need to look at your particular one when buying at nokia shop10:23
fnordianslipgrep returns nothing10:23
fnordiansliptnx for suggestions though10:23
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ruskieflux, either would work :)10:24
DocScrutinizer51flux: real shop. not online ;-)10:24
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DocScrutinizer51and btw. A really nice option to have a look at the printing of the uSD that's holding the file you still are wathing on device's screen (aka hotswap)10:27
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joppuSo, how d I promote my package to extras-testing?10:28
Micha_Hmm, I can't seem to get garage to allow me to upload via scp. I've given it my (newly generated) public ssh key. Does it take time for it to propagate?10:29
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joppuCould this "Warning: This package is not using one of the allowed user/* sections!" be preventing it?10:34
X-Fadejoppu: That will block promotion10:34
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X-Fadejoppu: because that will put your app in the 'other' category in the application manager. (Which should not exist)10:35
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JaffaMorning, all10:48
Jaffatimeless: pong10:49
Stskeepsmorning jaffa10:49
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Micha_Ok, sorted, key took a while to propagage.10:50
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mece*ding* I just thought of an application I'd want for my N900.10:51
jaemmece, oh?10:51
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meceA program to edit/trim mp3's so you can perfect your ringtones :) maybe there is one already?10:52
fnordianslipex editor ? :)10:53
fnordiansliphex, even10:53
fnordianslipdamned macbook pro keybd10:53
mecefnordianslip, was hoping for something a little more comfortable :)10:53
fnordianslipi know10:54
cosmo_mece: port audacity10:54
mecetoo big10:54
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meceI use mp3trim in windows. It's very comfy and small.10:55
mecebut not open soure10:55
meceand not open source either :)10:56
jaemfnordianslip, real geeks use pental10:56
fnordianslipjaem: you said you'd try my conky, its in devel10:56
fluxperhaps there are smaller and simpler (possibly non-linear) audio editors that could be ported to n900?10:56
* jaem had a pocket calculator with pental once... never figured out why10:56
jaemfnordianslip, yes - I just caught the update this morning... or last night :S10:56
jaemI'll give it a try shortly - poke me in 510:57
fnordianslippental, you mean base 5?10:57
jaemjust busy for a moment10:57
meceflux, I'm searching..10:57
ShadowJKwhat is conky?10:57
jaemShadowJK, sheer awesome10:57
meceseems tiny10:57
jaemShadowJK, to elaborate:
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fnordianslipmy conky -
ShadowJKit's a theme?10:59
fnordianslipits more of a user configurable desktop widget10:59
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fnordianslipbut i've not got it working as a widget yet, just a standalone app10:59
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mecewhat do you think about this one:
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* jaem curses dpkg-query11:02
mece~curse dpkg-query11:03
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dpkg-query !11:03
jaemmece, right ;)11:03
truso, speculation time. do you guys think we will get 1.1 before christmas?11:03
Stskeepstru: they did say december, so11:03
jaemtru, yes - on Christmas morning... in a box under our tree11:03
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jaemwhich will raise questions of how Nokia got into our houses11:04
meceStskeeps, well oculd be 28th or something :)11:04
jaemI mean, Santa generally doesn't do contract work11:04
jaemI've tried11:04
fnordianslipit will probly come out on xmas eve, brick everyones devices, and nokia will be on holiday for ages11:04
Stskeepsmece: i think the ssu people wouldn't work over xmas-newyears unless it was severely bad11:04
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meceStskeeps, yeah I guess.11:04
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* tru for one is waiting for updated MfE11:05
Stskeepsmy personal predictions would be either tomorrow or monday, tuesday11:05
Stskeeps(i don't know anything about dates)11:05
* ruskie for one has removed MfE, skype and a pile of other stuff11:05
jaemMfE == ?11:06
ruskiemail for exchange11:06
DocScrutinizer51jaem: with a coupon to trade it in for something decent after xmas :-P11:06
fnordianslipso, the builder only feeds extras-devel once per hour, huh?11:06
jaemoh right11:06
jaemhave you guys seen the ZipIt Z2 devices people have been hacking with?11:06
LynoureWould any of you know what repository is libphonon-dev in? I cannot find it.11:07
jaemLynoure, it's part of qt11:07
Lynourejaem: part of what package?11:07
jaemso use either qt 4.5 (in extras, I believe) or qt 4.6 (in extras-devel)11:07
Lynourejaem: I have dev package for qt4.5 but no phonon11:07
jaemLynoure, well, there is a libqt4-phonon package, IIRC11:07
Lynourejaem: that I have, but no help11:08
jaemare the dev packages split per module?  I thought it was all bundled into libqt4-dev11:08
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jaemLynoure, no?11:10
X-FadeLynoure: That is being worked on.11:11
X-FadeLynoure: I talked to the SDK team already about that..11:11
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Lynoureno help, at least. will not compile with #include <phonon> (which works on my desktop)  nor  #include <Phonon>11:12
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X-FadeLynoure: The package should be available shortly.11:13
LynoureX-Fade: anything I can do meanwhile? Would not want to idle the next 2 days.11:13
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LynoureX-Fade: is there relevant stuff for 4.6?11:13
X-FadeLynoure: Let me go and ask for an eta.11:13
LynoureX-Fade: thanks11:13
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X-FadeLynoure: 4.6 is separate.11:13
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furunk3li have a small issue for some days now. my touchscrenn on the n900 act sometimes really weird.11:14
LynoureX-Fade: I know.11:14
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furunk3lmplayer in the background and after i activated the screen its not reacting to my input at all11:14
furunk3lit takes some minutes and then i am able to slide to another desktop or use the widgets11:15
LynoureX-Fade: but as the sound stuff is my next step, I'm willing to switch to that if that's what it takes for me to have a shot at having this thing done before next week.11:15
* mece is compiling mp3split...11:15
X-FadeLynoure: You could probably just grab any 4.5.3 debian package.11:15
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furunk3lsorry :(11:16
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LynoureX-Fade: You would not recommend switching to 4.6 instead? (I think eventually will need to go for 4.6)11:17
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X-FadeLynoure: No, because 4.5 is on the device.11:18
X-FadeLynoure: And the 4.6 which is in extras-devel is experimental and probably will fill your device's rootfs.11:19
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LynoureX-Fade: ok, thanks for the advice.11:19
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mececd ..11:20
meceok this is not the correct window11:20
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meceis libmad in the repositories somewhere?11:26
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mecenvrmind, found it.11:26
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* timeless_mbp sighs11:29
* timeless_mbp is looking at a burndown graph where the charts seem to want to go *up*11:29
jaemtimeless_mbp, you're always sighing11:29
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timeless_mbpjaem: *sighing* since 199911:29
fnordianslipand frowning, and sounding like marvin11:30
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fnordianslipin my head11:30
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* timeless_mbp frowns11:31
cpscottiGood morning everyone!! Can someone do another check on accdisplay?It is in estras-testing now and I have fixed all the issues pointed so far..11:31
jaemcpscotti, what is it?11:31
jaemfnordianslip, sorry, I'm in the middle of something11:31
timeless_mbpoh wait11:31
fnordiansliptimeless_mbp: does your mbp suffer from the "elp - my keybd drops characters" problem?11:31
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jaemI'll probably be up all night anyhow, so just bug me later, and I'll try to test it at some point11:31
timeless_mbpyou don't mean the Cat, you mean h2gt2g11:31
cpscottiviews/records/playbacks accelerometer's data11:31
timeless_mbpfnordianslip: not generally11:32
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fnordiansliptimeless_mbp: mine's a bugger for it11:32
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cpscottiJaem: Graphically11:32
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jaemcpscotti, neat11:32
timeless_mbpCorsac: sure11:32
LynoureX-Fade: seems installing the Debian package for it is not straightforward, at least, complains about conflicting /usr/lib/libphonon.prl and depending on a package that cannot be installed, seeing whether it will work when forced, anyway11:32
* Arkenoi noticed that daily amount of sms sent by me decreased tenfold or so since i got n900 - just because im is there as well and it is just as handy11:32
cpscottiLast issues were just regarding app-name an version consistency through debian/control, about dialog and app title.11:32
jaemcpscotti, installing it now - I'll test it if it's quick11:32
jaemcpscotti, go ahead11:33
timeless_mbpoops, marvin was the baby, not the cat11:33
* timeless_mbp sighs11:33
meceArkenoi, damn straight. N900 is good for your wallet :)11:33
timeless_mbpgarfield was the cat :o11:33
timeless_mbpcpscotti: you shouldn't have an about dialog :)11:34
fnordianslipmarvin was the manic depressive robot sidekick of zaphod beeblebrox11:34
timeless_mbpit's mostly a waste of valuable realestate11:34
fluxcpscotti, how about a display mode that would display three value versus time plots for each axis?11:34
jaemcpscotti, what do you want me to check?11:35
cpscottiFlux: isn't the top of the app what u want11:35
LynoureX-Fade: compiles now, at least11:35
* timeless_mbp wonders where this thing comes from11:35
timeless_mbpX-Fade: ping11:35
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cpscottiTimeless_... Why not having a about dialog11:35
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fnordianslipcpscotti: either the planet is on the wonk or my accelerometer is, as i'd swear down isn't that way11:36
* jaem falls up11:36
Lynoureannoyingly, what's #include <phonon>  on the ubuntu is  #include <Phonon> on the scratchbox11:36
DocScrutinizer51fnordianslip: "cool. But can you also shoot away the floor?" XD11:36
fnordianslipi don't need no stinking floor11:36
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cpscottiFnordianslip: well that's supposed to show what it reads11:37
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fnordianslipcpscotti: i'm not blaming you.  i reckon the reading is a degree or two off on the -X axis11:38
fluxcpscotti, they are only the current numeric values, seeing history data plotted visually would be nice11:39
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DocScrutinizer51fnordianslip: accel meters? usually are amazingly off from what you'd expect them to consider the 3 main axes11:40
fnordianslipmind you, i once had to fix a flux-gate compass for an aircraft instrument, and discovered that the silk screen printing on the compass rose had 175 degrees between north and south going through east, and 185 degrees going through west11:40
cpscottiJaem: everything should be working ok... But i still need the votes on garage...11:40
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fnordianslipcpscotti: if you're touting for votes, you could at least post a link11:42
meceok, so that compiled nice and friendly.11:42
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cpscottiFlux: oh.. Now i get it  (duh.. Didn't see "time plot" there).. So.. Yeah it would be nice.. But maybe just over bloating the app.. That is just plain simple..11:45
cpscottiMaybe on v. 2...11:46
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ShadowJKtimeless, burndown graphs?11:47
timeless_mbpthey're a scrum concept i suppose11:47
fnordianslip"Waiting for"  isn't that the name of a film or something?11:47
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ShadowJKcpscotti, what kind of samplerate do you get out of the accelerometer?11:47
cpscottifnordianslip: hahahahahahaha òpò...11:48
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ShadowJKaw :(11:48
cpscottiThat's why its the default for playback...11:48
X-FadeGNUton-BNC: ping?11:49
ShadowJKthe 'rate' file in sysfs says 100 :/11:49
ShadowJKI thought you'd atleast get that11:49
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cpscottiI read somewhere that the limit is around 1/25 but it starts to lag pretty easily then..11:49
timeless_mbpShadowJK: note that the 'down' part is consistent in most graphs11:49
timeless_mbpso when you see a burndown graph trending upward...11:50
timeless_mbpyou too would start sighing11:50
cpscottiPs: òpò = lol shifted right in italian n900 kb.....11:51
ShadowJKit'd been cool to be able to get a few hundred hz out of hte accelerometer, I'd tried recording while finding the 100+dB low-frequency audio/vibration spots at work, and then I'd try play up the accelerometer data as audio11:51
lcukShadowJK, that would require location awareness within a room to do correct monitoring11:52
ShadowJKtimeless_mbp, so the solution is to hang your managers upside down?11:52
timeless_mbpforget the orientation part ;-)11:52
ShadowJKlcuk, it's not about monitoring11:53
ShadowJKlcuk, I'd just want to play back accelerometer data as sound :)11:53
StskeepsShadowJK: it's same accelerometer as in a freerunner11:53
Stskeepssee if there's something for it :P11:53
fluxshadowjk, as a waveform or as a frequency modulated sine signal?11:53
lcukShadowJK, its been on the cards to use the accelerometer to control a musical instrument for a while11:54
lcuknow i have 2 n900s here it might happen lol11:54
ShadowJKflux, as waveform11:54
lcukone for each conducting hand11:54
ifreqgood morning btw11:54
Lynouredamn liboil error again :/11:54
fluxshadowjk, well, I doubt you'd hear anything11:54
fluxshadowjk, unless you vibrate your device at 60+hz, which I recommend against :)11:54
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dockanewhats the point of disabling copy-and-paste for the wifi password request. having to type 63 characters for my 5 aps? lol11:55
fluxshadowjk, atleast it would need to be modulated into a higher frequency..11:55
X-FadeLynoure: It seems it will take a while to get the phonon-dev issue sorted out. The source package doesn't seem to generate it.11:55
ShadowJKflux, oh I think I would at the noisy parts on the floor at work. For example, if I have a paper or something in my hand, the surface of the paper easily picks up sound and transfers the vibrations to my hand11:55
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: Stskeeps: iirc th lis302 has either 100@or 400 Hz samplerate11:55
meceok, mp3splt compiled and installed on N900. Let's see if it works.11:56
ShadowJKI guess I could just play it back faster ;)11:56
fluxdocscrutinizer51, I suppose in best case you could infact hear something then?11:56
LynoureX-Fade: uh. I wonder what to do. I can now get it compile with the forced debian package, but get some weird liboil error as the result11:56
ShadowJK400hz samplerate would give you 200hz maximum frequency11:56
ShadowJKwhen played back through speakers11:56
ShadowJKunless you speed it up and play it at doublespeed or something11:56
ali1234if you sample the acceleration directly and play it back, all you've done is make an amplifier11:57
lcukreading accelerometer unsmoothed gives jitter11:57
ShadowJKhighpass filter to remove all the low-frequency components that arise from walking around11:57
dockaneis that real? i have to fiddle with dbus to get my 63 character wifi passwords into n900?11:57
fluxshadowjk, some kind of 'audialization' would be interesting to try out in any case11:57
Lynoure...and still no sound I can here.11:58
fluxcpscotti, what's the sampling rate your app uses for recording?11:58
lcukShadowJK, in the maemo wiki theres a 25hz+ smoothed interface which works really well and gives accurate acceptable results11:58
ShadowJKlcuk, I *want* the jitter :)11:58
lcukno, you dont11:58
ali1234you know, there's a device in the n900 that can measure vibrations at 48khz... the mic11:58
ShadowJKali1234, that's not fun :)11:58
lcukrandom jitter != high frequency fun11:58
fluxlcuk, in his case it would be (very small amount of) noise11:58
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: flux: I suggest freq modulation of a 2KHz signal with the accel data11:58
cpscottiFlux:... 1/2011:58
truhmm, anyone know if you can disable vibration on IM's only? I still want it for an incomming call.11:59
lcukthe amount of noise is not based on motion, its simply noise11:59
* timeless_mbp rotfl11:59
fluxcpscotti, well, I suppose you could go (much) higher atleast when recording?11:59
* timeless_mbp heard some really funny news11:59
infobotLynoure meant: ...and still no sound I can hear.11:59
fluxlcuk, it's extremely dificult to get rid of exactly the jitter and not any of the signal..12:00
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cpscottiFlux: i read somewhere that after 1/25 it starts lagging pretty bad... Since it's all python, i was a little conservative and adopted 1/2012:01
lcukflux, i have done lots of stuff with the accelerometer, smoothed out the way i do it gives complete nicely accurate feedback from the accel12:01
X-FadeLynoure: Now trying to get in touch with one of the Qt guys, to figure out what is happening there.12:01
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fluxlcuk, but what the guy is trying to get is an extremely low intensity signals. I gather he wants to try if the signal gets different when you drag the device over a coarse surface..12:02
pekujaanybody know of a good IRC client for N900?12:02
jaempekuja, xchat or irssi12:02
dockanepekuja: irssi12:02
fluxdoes xchat integrate with the phone's notification features?12:03
pekujairssi is the classic, I suppose12:03
fluxor, for that matter, does irssi?12:03
ShadowJKYeah, the stuff I'm after would be embedded in the noise (jitter).. the noise/jitter would most likely be needed, the real signal I'm after would be dithered against the noise12:03
lcukflux, good luck12:03
ShadowJKflux, neither12:03
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pekujaare those two available in any repos?12:03
fluxlcuk, :) yes, pretty unrealistic, perhaps, but filtering would ruin it for sure.12:03
pekujaI know I didn't see them in the app manager12:03
fnordianslipare you trying to make a turn-table cartridge out of an n900?12:03
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ShadowJKthe jitter seems pretty consistent with the phone sitting still. It seems like a constant a +- n, where n seems to be constant12:04
ShadowJKso that's just thermal noise or whatever12:04
DocScrutinizer51flux: xchat does (kinda), with play-sound12:05
fluxdocscrutinizer51, I suppose some hacky dbus-magic could be hooked into that?12:05
Ceroni found a bug in n90012:05
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Cerona person called me and the screen went blank :(12:05
KMFDMdoe sanyone else with pre-release phones get random beeps when calling?12:05
KMFDMand dropped connections?12:05
* cpscotti struggling with pidgin at the n900.... It's hard to have proper chatting.. ://12:05
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fluxpekuja, they are likely in the extras repositories. of course, stuff there (or especially in extras-testing) can be more risky than the official nokia stuff.12:05
StskeepsCeron: it uses proximity detection for some stuff12:05
ShadowJKCeron, something covering the proximity sensor?12:06
CeronShadowJK: where is proximity sensor located12:06
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ShadowJKIt's one of the things next to the front camera12:06
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pekujaflux: Ok. I thought I had enabled maemo-extras though. Are there several extras repositories?12:06
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pekujawell, I suppose extras-testing is another one12:08
fluxpekuja, extras, extras-devel, extras-testing12:08
fluxof course, keep backups, etc ;)12:08
flux(iow: don't do like I do :P)12:08
Corsacusually extras is safer than extras-testing, safer than extras-devel12:08
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fluxis there an easy way to see the new packages?12:10
pekujaso are there five repos in total?12:10
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pekujatwo Nokia ones, three ones12:11
mecemp3splt compiled and working.12:11
fluxovi store has its own one also, but the store isn't open yet12:11
fluxalso it installs the repo itself automatically12:12
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pupnikaha, this rim around the display absorbs shocks from falls!  Brilliant!12:13
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fnordianslippupnik: have you been trying n900fly ?12:14
pupnikmece do you have an app for gui editing of mp3 (nondestructive)12:14
Corsacwhat's n900fly (I didn't find the desc really clear and didn't try it)12:14
mecepupnik, no, there's a gui but I didn't feel like trying that one out.12:14
pekujano xchat in testing, but there is pidgin12:14
pekujaand irssi is there also12:14
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fnordianslipCorsac: I think it measures how hard you throw your n900 in the air, with the accelerometer12:15
DocScrutinizer51xchat is in devel iirc12:15
pupniki got lopster built for maemo12:15
pupnikbut it is gtk hell like xchat12:15
meceI'll try the gui, since the other stuff worked so fine12:16
thpX-Fade: there's a dependency problem with python-gtk2 and python-glade2 in extras-testing. did you have a look at this already?12:16
jukeyis down?12:17
DocScrutinizer51xchat segfaults on storing preferences. So edit the .cfg directly12:17
jaemjukey, also http://istheinternetup.creativemisconfiguration.com12:18
jaemslightly less useful, yes12:18
jukeynice :)12:18
jaembut my friend and I found it amusing enough to put up there12:18
pekujaby the way, I only just got my N900 yesterday. does anybody have any suggestions for cool stuff I should try on it? :-P12:19
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ShadowJKtimeless, it's not the ever repeating finnish tabloid's "winter surprised $CITY", is it?12:19
mecebuilding gtk version. I wonder where it will crash.12:20
timeless_mbpShadowJK: heh12:20
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cpscottiCorsac: its a game that tells you how high u can throw your cell phone..12:20
cpscottiCorsec: if you can come up with a better desc, just tell me..12:20
fnordiansliphas anyone tested my conky yet?12:20
jaempekuja, ATI85 and Free42 are hard to beat if you need a good calculator12:20
jaemXournal is also excellent, although the port is not done yet12:20
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jaemfnordianslip, sigh... I'll test it for you now12:20
mecefnordianslip, your conky looks badass, but I'm busy with this mp3splt stuff atm. will test later.12:21
fnordianslipCorsac: what about bouncing your n900?12:21
jaemsorry, I just finished exams on Monday, and I'm recovering and taking care of personal stuff12:21
jaemokay, what do you need me to do?12:21
fnordianslipthe default conf is in opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conky.conf12:21
Corsaccpscotti: well, just say that :)12:21
Corsaccpscotti: in the long description12:22
pekujajaem: calculators are sexy, yes ;-)12:22
Corsac“irresponsible app” is just scary :)12:22
fnordianslipcopy it somewhere, install droid fonts, or change the font in the conf, and run conky from xterm12:22
pekujajaem: well, they are useful. I was eyeing some of the apps in that category12:22
Corsacfnordianslip: for?12:22
jaempekuja, also, OMWeather, MaStory (Blogging Client), the Evernote sharing plugin...12:22
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skrankkiShould these osso examples work with maemo 5? I can't bring the Application to foreground:  All I get is
fnordianslip^ for jaem12:23
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pekujajaem: evernote is dead though12:23
cpscottifnordianslip: is ur conky on extras-testing?12:24
fnordianslipjaem: what exams?12:24
fnordianslipcpscotti: devel12:24
fnordianslipits ok.  trust me :)12:24
fnordianslipi wouldn't run it all day though, as it will keep the device awake, depending on the periods set12:25
pekujajaem: I actually had some trouble getting MaStory to work, but I suppose it could be a server side problem too. Kinda annoying when it doesn't tell me what went wrong, only that posting failed.12:25
cpscottiAhh... Ok... I'll try it..12:25
pekujajaem: thanks for the tips12:25
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cpscottiCorsac: well.. I thougth that the current description said that... But ok.. It can get a little bit better.. I'll explain more on he next build..12:26
jaempekuja, how is it dead?  I haven't used it much, but itlooked neat12:26
jaemfnordianslip, I'm in Comp. Eng., but I had a variety this semester12:26
pekujajaem: Google bought them and shut the service down.12:26
jaempekuja, O RLY?12:26
pekujajaem: it's still available for existing users I think12:26
pekujajaem: a week ago or something12:27
fnordianslipjaem: oh. nothing hard then :)12:27
jaemfnordianslip, ha12:27
pekujaI think12:27
jaempekuja, darn it all12:27
cpscottiBut well.. Some testing would be good... n900fly on testing now.... Test it and give feedback... Just please, dont break ur phones gentleman!!12:27
pekujaor am I thinking of something else12:27
jaemI have an account, but that's really not cool12:27
mecepekuja, man that sucks. That had some serious potential.12:27
jaemGizmo5, maybe?12:27
pekujajaem: actually I think maybe I was thinking of something else :-<12:27
mecepekuja, heh12:27
pekujajaem: it doesn't look dead from looking at their website12:27
fnordianslipcpscotti: so, can it measure how hard you bounce your n900?12:28
jaemfnordianslip, looks good to me - anything in particular I should check?12:28
pekujaoh, it was etherpad12:28
jaempekuja, them too?12:28
pekujano, not them too12:28
pekujaevernote is fine12:28
pekujabut etherpad was shut down12:28
fnordianslipjaem: just wanted to know it installed ok on another device12:28
jaempekuja, too, as in, yet another company in general12:28
pekujaI got them mixed up12:28
jaemnever tried etherpad, but I heard it was vaguely Wave-ish12:29
pekujaI think that's why Google bought them12:29
cpscottiFnordiansleep: yep.. Measures for how long it was on the air.."flying"..12:29
pekujato work on Wave12:29
fnordianslipjaem: might just push it into testing12:29
jaemdid they shut them down, or just do the usual registration-freeze thing until they can be Googlified?12:29
jaemfnordianslip, text runs off the right side a bit, but everything seems happy12:29
pekujabut yeah, I got those two mixed up in my head... both start with an E and end with a part of "notepad"12:29
fnordianslipjaem: doesn't on mine, do you have the droid fonts installed?12:30
pekujaactually, ever and ether are kinda similar words, just two letters difference12:30
jaemfnordianslip, yes12:30
pekujabut yeah, I guess I will check the evernote app out then12:30
jaemsome friends and I are looking at picking up a neat little device to run Linux on...12:30
jaemit's meant as a standalone IM client for teenagers that need their IM fix12:30
cpscottifnordianslip: it's not about bouncing, its about throwing it up.. And picking it back...12:30
jaembut it runs Linux, and should be sufficient to use as a wireless thin client12:30
fnordianslipjaem: odd. which bit of text overflows?12:31
jaemwell, it can be made to run Linux - I think it does anyway, but nothing useful12:31
jaemfnordianslip, Running Processes12:31
jaemthe right-hand field12:31
jaemafter the most-significant-digit12:31
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fnordianslipjaem: isn't there only one digit = 1 ?12:32
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Laiskajaem: ~50$ more and you could buy a beagle board and do really cool stuff..12:33
jaemfnordianslip, oh, that could be12:33
jaemLaiska, I thought they were still $150?12:33
jaemalso, this comes with wifi, a keyboard, and a screen, in a nice portable case12:33
jaemand can be cheaper if you get a deal12:33
jaembut yeah, the BB looks really nice12:33
jaemI just can't afford it at the moment12:33
LaiskaOh true, I rememberd incorrectly12:34
* fnordianslip thinks jaem has a 10-core arm cpu and needs more than one digit of running processes12:34
Laiska150$ you are right12:34
mecebuilding mp3splt-gtk take 312:34
jaemwe really just want a mobile terminal, and maybe an NX client if we can squeeze it on12:34
jaemfnordianslip, lol12:34
LaiskaI automagically was thinking of euros..12:34
* jaem is stupid12:34
jaemLaiska, euros?  who the heck uses those?12:34
meceoh my, a successful bild.12:35
Laiskajaem: 16 countries I think ;)12:35
mecebuild too12:35
jaemLaiska, meh12:35
jaemhave you tried the BeagleBoard?12:35
* fnordianslip tries to get a load > 10 on his n90012:36
pupnikcertain irc chatters frequently post links i find interesting.  lets think about how to make an rss out  of them12:36
* RST38h needs one more vote to push Speccy out into Extras12:36
Laiskano hands-on experince, just seen it in use12:36
RST38hpupnik: Care to vote for a package? =)12:36
jaemfnordianslip, I tried to import 160,000 recipes to the earliest alpha port of KRecipes to KDE4, and it ate my laptop12:36
jaempupnik, that would be interesting12:36
pupnikalready navigating there RST38h12:37
jaemRST38h, can I vote down, just to be a jerk?12:37
RST38hjaem: Yes. But then the Tentacled One will pay you a visit tonight.12:37
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jaemRST38h, bwah!12:37
pupnikn900 multitaasking rules.  it rules!12:37
mecehey am I supposed to use "" when launching stuff from the xterm? What exactly does it do?12:38
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jaempupnik, yes indeed - I laugh a bit at all the newbies posting excitedly that they can run over 8999 apps at once12:38
jaemyes, you can... but that's not usually practical12:38
cosmo_mece: afaik it sets environment variables etc so that applications actually work12:38
jaemand yes, over 8999 is the new anti-meme12:38
jaemaverted at the last moment12:38
RST38hpupnik: abbra had an interesting blog post about how scheduling works on N90012:39
mececosmo_, sounds good. I'll try that first then :)12:39
jaemhmm... is the component of Maemo that sends caller ID to a bluetooth device FOSS?12:40
jaemI really need a code example :/12:40
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derfRST38h: Link?12:40
RST38hpupnik: among other things he explained why app manager stops working when you navigate away from it12:40
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RST38hderf: it is in Russian anyway12:40
jaemRST38h, stops completely?12:40
derfOh. Pft.12:41
RST38hjaem: not completely, just does not get scheduled all that often12:41
jaemRST38h, ah.  How was the "zzz... I'm low on RAM" feature implemented on Maemo 4?12:41
cpscottifnordianslip: i'm testing conky.. Everything works okay... It just misses (or I didn't find) the desktop integration/launching thing :/....12:41
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RST38hThere are basically several pools of processes that get different scheduler quotas, and to save power the system tries to guess process importance and move it into the right pool12:42
fnordianslipcpscotti: yep.  i need to figure out that bit.12:42
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RST38hjaem: You mean the one which worked kind alike per-application suspend-to-disk?12:42
jaemRST38h, yes.  I heard that there was a process-freeze feature added to the kernel for .28, but I didn't know what this was using12:42
RST38hjaem: I am not really sure it was an upstream feature12:43
jaemRST38h, was there a comma in that, or not?12:43
jaemlol: "line 9 -- # system doesn't accidentally grow automake-1.10 dependencies."12:43
RST38hjaem: But I do not think it is any better than simply swapping a process out12:43
fnordianslipjaem: I've got "Running" to read 10, it right justifies itself ok in the default config.12:43
jaemokay... makes sense12:43
pupnik   bookmark12:44
jaemfnordianslip, okay, my mistake12:44
cpscottifnordianslip: it's fun that's the filesystem bars show how much free u have... Not the opposite... But that's from the mainstream soft.. No prob..12:44
fnordianslipjaem: no, mine.  i kinda assumed that it would never go over 1 anyway.  silly me.12:44
* RST38h starts looking for jeremiah to resolve that missing dependency thing, as it seems to have hit multiple people12:44
jaemfnordianslip, you're holding my processor upgrade back! ;)12:45
jaemyou can increase your number of cores by fudging conky, right?12:45
pupnik   where can i vote here?12:45
fnordianslipcpscotti: i see what you mean12:45
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RST38h(and yes, the whole voting system is fucked up)12:46
pupniksimple fix12:46
pupnikuser goes to maemo.org12:46
pupnik2) searches their package and gets above page12:46
fnordianslipcpscotti: although i think knowing how much space there is is more useful than knowing how much space there isn't12:46
RST38hpackage versioning too now, as it seems12:46
pupnik3) (add this) allow testing vote12:47
cpscottiYes.... I agree..12:47
RST38hpupnik: remember the meeting where it was agreed to lower the threshold to 5 votes? Like month ago?12:47
cpscottiIt's just that its funny12:47
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pupnikno :)12:47
RST38hpupnik: Still not done, and it is changin a single digit for all we know12:47
RST38hpupnik: So, NOTHING is simple to fix with, you have to whine for months12:47
pupniki can help if someone wants to oversee my work12:48
fnordianslipchanging 10 to 5 is 2 digits12:48
Micha_Hmm. The autobuilder built my package fro i386, I specified arch=all12:48
fnordianslipunless its in hex12:48
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derfMicha_: Are you sure? Or did it just use an i386 scratchbox target to build it.12:49
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Micha_derf: Using py2deb to make the source package12:49
RST38hpupnik: already offered help, no response12:50
meceok, so mp3splt-gtk does load, and you can split mp3's with it, but player doesn't work, so there is not really much point in using it. command line version much easier to use.12:50
RST38hthat was a few months ago12:50
Micha_Just realised, do I specify arch=all, or arch=any?12:50
derfarch=all means the same package can be installed on all architectures.12:50
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derfarch=any means the same package source can be built for any architecture.12:50
mecedon't feel like trying to properly port, since mp3splt works fine from command line.12:50
mecethis was a public service announcement.12:51
Micha_Right, so I do want all. (Is a python app)12:51
derfBut the autobuilder still has to pick a scratchbox target to build the package in.12:51
derfAnd it always chooses i386 for arch=all, presumably because that doesn't involve qemu.12:52
Micha_Mm. ok, I'll wait until it shows up in the repository and see what came out (seems to be taking a while).  Just looking at the build logs.12:52
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Stskeepsmorning andre__12:54
jpe__how can my xterminal be more usefull, i mean i want to login inti my server, but nogo...12:55
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mecejpe__, what's the problem with logging in?12:55
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jpe__it keeps asking my a password , which is the local one, i do a sudo slogin btw12:56
andre__so asking for a password is unuseful?12:57
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mecejpe__, on the device?13:00
mecejpe__, have you set a password?13:00
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jpe__mece: the password cannot be changed for the user, it says13:01
RST38hX-Fade: ping?13:02
mecejpe__, it's the sudo that's the problem.13:02
mecewhy are you sudoing it?13:02
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RST38hthanks, pupnik =)13:03
jpe__mece: otherwise it can't find the command ?13:03
RST38hNow, just need X-Fade or jeremiah to fix the dependencies problem...13:03
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X-FadeRST38h: Is version comparison function issue. Will try to fix asap. It is not a real problem on device.13:07
ShadowJKjpe__, you want to ssh into your n900 from another computer?13:07
jpe__shadowJK: no viceversa13:07
X-FadeRST38h: Lunch, bbl.13:08
ShadowJKwhat's this sudo slogin about?13:08
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jpe__ShadowJK: the n900 is asking for a password, but i supose it;s the n900's password, because my remote server's one fails13:09
ShadowJKI just open X-terminal on N900 and type ssh jk@myserver13:09
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ShadowJKand it asks for the password for jk on the server13:10
jpe__ssh: command not found13:10
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ShadowJKgo to applicatio manage, enable extras, install openssh-client13:11
jpe__ah ok, it's not installed bu default, ok13:11
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ShadowJKIf you want root on n900, then you install 'rootsh' and type 'sudo gainroot' to become root. But that's not needed for ssh into your server13:12
ShadowJKAnd with root you can of course break your n90013:12
jpe__ShadowJK:ok ,thanks, i'll start with a ssh , then we see13:13
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ShadowJKYou know what ssh is, right? ;)13:14
Micha_How long does it normally take for a package to be migrated to the extras-devel repository?13:15
jpe__ishadowJK: no problem there, use linux for +10 years13:15
Micha_And/or is there a place to access the generated .deb directly from garage?13:15
_berto_argh, commercial N900 come with one of these:
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_berto_I got mine through the DDP and I don't have it13:16
timeless_mbp_berto_: really?13:17
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LaiskaUmmm, mine is a "commercial" and did not have one..13:18
w00tnor did mine13:18
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SpeedEvilnor mine13:18
_berto_maybe only in spain ?13:18
suihkulokkior a special offer13:19
timeless_mbpSales Package Contents*13:19
timeless_mbpdoes not mention it13:19
timeless_mbpiirc spain had some special offers13:19
timeless_mbpthe fact that special offers aren't included w/ DDP shouldn't be particularly surprising :)13:20
SpeedEviltimeless_mbp: also it does not mention the leaflet13:20
_berto_looks like a special offer13:20
DocScrutinizer51hmm. always read "nokiausea"13:20
timeless_mbpor the plastic wrapping, i'm sure13:20
ShadowJKI didn't get a leaflet with mine13:20
timeless_mbpbe thankful, we saved a tree, just for you :)13:21
SpeedEvilthe getting started?13:21
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ShadowJKI just burned a tree today :D13:21
* ShadowJK woke up to 14C in the bedroom13:21
_berto_yes, special offer13:21
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_berto_it comes also with a bluetooth headset13:21
ShadowJKThe first orders in USA had a special offer and came with a bluetooth headset13:22
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ShadowJKDunno if anyone actually received a bluetooth headset :)13:22
ShadowJKor it was headphones, I think13:22
_berto_we ordered a lot here and all of them come with it13:22
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smaughow do I install .deb files on N900?13:37
* smaug doesn't use debian based systems13:37
jpe__shadowJK:ok, got openssh installed and working, thanks for help !13:37
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moo-_-smaug: go to terminal, dpkg -i file.deb13:46
smaugnow I need to figure out where I downloaded the files :)13:47
smaugmoo-_-: where is Documentit directory?13:47
moo-_-there is hidden MyDocs/.documents13:48
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* moo-_- can't stand arrogant behavior and sneezes towards some random channel members13:49
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anidelhello everyone13:52
RST38hmooo anidel13:52
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anidelhi RST38h13:53
anidelanyone here goot at GTK and GTK UI Manager (GTK toolbars) ?13:54
anidelI shall ask to maemo-developers I think..13:54
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RST38hwhat is the question?13:55
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anidelI use an XML file to specify the toolbar(s) in Xournal13:55
anidelI do have this action "Color" that right now shows either the stock color button or a themed icon and clicking on it shows the color picker13:56
anidelbut I don't like that icon and I want to use the (deprecated) HildonColorButton instead13:56
anidelissue is.. I don't think I can specifiy that in the XML or in the GtkActionEntry struct13:57
jaemoh hi, anidel13:57
lcukanidel, you seen the liq* color selection dialog
anidelYesterday I removed the Color action from the XML file and inserted the GtkToolItem into the GtkToolbar manually in the code.. worked, but wanted something more.. configurable13:57
anidellcuk: no.. let me see13:58
anidellcuk: doesn't seem "hildonized"13:58
anidelMy real issue is that I want the Color button to be at a particular position in the Toolbar.. so I was thinking to add the Color action in the XML, then look for it in the toolbar and substitute it with HildonColorButton, but I can't find a way to do it...13:59
anideland why the heck they deprecated the HildonColorButton is they use it in Sketch ?14:00
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lcukanidel, of course its not hildonized, its been liquified14:02
anidelactually, the Maemo 5 guidelines even say not use Toolbars at all :D14:02
anidellcuk: :p14:02
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jaemanidel, what do they suggest using, then?14:02
nhganyone used the faad package for aac decoding in Maemo?14:02
anideljaem: nothing.14:03
anidelThe toolbar in sketch doesn't look like a normal GtkToolbar unless they tweak it changing icon size, and spacing14:03
nhgI just downloaded it from and installed it but my gst-inspect doesn't show any faad elements14:03
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anidelthe UI guys in Barcelona told me Xournal icons in the toolbar are too close to each other and not "finger friendly".14:04
anidelright now I can fit 10, they say 7 is already a high number :)14:04
anidelAnyway.. the main issue is to put my own ColorButton in there but still using the XML file.14:06
anidelat least as a placeholder14:07
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lcukbut your app is geared for stylus use is it not, a little higher wouldnt cause so much pain would it?14:07
anidelselecting the tools has to be finger friendly.. I think they are, but they say it is not really...14:07
anidelthen you use it with the stylus14:07
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DocScrutinizer51who would drop the stylus to select icons with fingers, than take up stylus again?14:09
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* redi dislikes using stylus14:10
lcukstylus is good for note taking14:10
lcukand more accurate for many things14:10
anidelDoc: many people don't drop the stylus, but simply change its position in hand and use the finger14:11
lcukmany people just use the stylus on the big buttons14:12
lcukthey really dont switch between finger and stylus do they?14:12
lcuk"omg a finger button, quick cant use stylus"14:12
redilcuk: had the n900 a proper screen you wouldnt need stylus :P14:12
rediyou use virtual keyboard for taking notes?14:12
lcukredi i stopped finger painting when i was young (on something so small)14:12
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lcuki take actual written notes14:13
lcuklots of them14:13
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rediI do too, but I prefer the keyboard to the virtual one14:13
DocScrutinizer51it's called handwriting, not fingerwriting14:13
rediah actual written, now I understood14:13
anidelthey're not writing with the finger... but still use it even if they are holding the stylus14:13
anideleven I do that14:14
anidelit's automatic14:14
redioh well, I actually hate writing too :)14:14
anidellike when you're writing with the pen and switch to the keyboard or mouse14:14
anidelyou still hold your pen14:14
rediI put the stylus into my mouth14:14
rediand look retarded14:14
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redior then I misplace it and curse when I cant find it again x)14:14
rediI guess it's a preference matter, I never felt like needing stylus for anything on iPhone screen, but on N900 it's not that accurate14:15
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pupnikvmplayer keeps locking numlock here.14:16
nhgjust installed "faad" package from on my dev board but when I do a gst-inspect I dont see any "faad" components.  does anyone know if that is a gstreamer plugin?14:16
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jpe__anyone now how i can emulate function keys in the xterminal ?14:24
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ruskiejpe__, maybe add them to the xterm bar? search for gconftool on t.m.o14:28
ruskie <-- hmm can imagine this... trying to talk on the phone and you wipe across it with your finger on the back and it hangs up...14:29
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kkolcan one catch the camera lid opening and closing event on n900?14:42
jpe__ruskie:ok, i'll try that one14:42
truif anyone know the answer I would appriciate input :)14:44
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adeusmaybe to the serial console14:46
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truin scratchbox?14:47
anidelOrdered my discounted N900...14:48
Stskeepsmorning jebba14:48
kkoltru: /var/log/syslog14:48
trukkol: very empty.14:48
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Stskeepsinstall sysklogd14:49
kkoltru: first install klogd and syslogd14:49
Stskeepsor whatever the name is14:49
DocScrutinizer51kkol: iirc I've seen slider open and close events in dmesg. No idea which dbus signal to wait for though14:52
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jebbaya, need to install syslogd/klogd for it to start logging there like Stskeeps says14:53
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truand then compile with OSSOLOG_SYSLOG and it should work?14:54
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joppuCould someone kindly check if the conversations is black-on-white in the theme "Reflect"14:55
joppufrom extras-devel14:55
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DocScrutinizer51kkol: dbus-monitor --system   might help (slider)14:56
trukkol: do I need to start syslogd in some way as well?14:58
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kkoltru: try /etc/init.d/klogd restart15:00
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kkolor reboot :)15:01
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kkolDocScrutinizer51: looks like "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_cam_shutter"15:02
trukkol: are we still talking about scratchbox here?15:02
kkoltru: oh sorry :)15:02
kkolin that case, no need to reboot15:03
manuelsei can not place calls or use internat :(15:03
manuelsebut i get calls15:03
manuelseanone here try n900 with tschibo prepaid?15:04
manuelseit looks like there is problem with putting credits on the account15:05
manuelseit might need some gsm extension!?15:05
DocScrutinizer51manuelse: dialer doesn't take '*123#' alike codes15:06
DocScrutinizer51manuelse: known bug15:06
rangebug 535715:06
povbotBug Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *#15:06
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trukkol: ah, yay. the log ended up in the host systems /var/log/syslog not in the scratchbox file!15:08
DocScrutinizer51manuelse: for now your best option probably is to use an old featurephone if you need those codes15:08
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DocScrutinizer51manuelse: of course just to manage the account. then swap SIM back to N90015:09
ruskiehmm don't they offer a free number to call without needing the codes?15:10
ruskieI know when I was on pre-paid I could dial a number and got a vocie menu and could top it up that way15:10
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ruskieusually something like 123 might work15:10
manuelsethank you DocScrutinizer5115:11
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SpeedEvil1ruskie: some do, some don't15:16
ruskiewell always worth a try15:17
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DocScrutinizer51never tested tschibo. Heard they're weird in quite some respects15:17
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DocScrutinizer51it's a discount reseller of cheapest poorest net Eplus we got here,  iirc15:19
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joppugood afternoon15:30
* SpeedEvil1 ponders new meme.15:30
SpeedEvil1maemo snows!15:31
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lcukSpeedEvil1, maemo weather15:32
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Macerdollhouse is ghost in the shell15:33
Macerminus the cyborg part15:33
fralsid take a picture showing the weather here in stockholm, but id be nothing but white15:34
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epaIn maemo conference I recall seeing a program that shows countdown time in big friendly numbers. Does anyone recall the name of the application?15:35
ruskiecountdown widget ?15:36
epahmm could it be so simple... :)15:36
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ruskieno clue15:37
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lardmanX-Fade: ping15:37
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jebbapacket dropped15:39
DocScrutinizer51any info about numptyphysics? Throws stderr "failed to create user dir" here, and opens up an empty paper with a falling "accelerometer test"15:40
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer51: strace :)15:44
Flandryhahaha segfaulted scratchbox with a grep command15:45
DocScrutinizer51timeless_mbp: hmm. quite obvious, yeah15:45
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flux..where can one get strace for n900?-o15:46
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FalseMessiahhi guyz15:47
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FalseMessiahare there any issues with garage's svn?15:48
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Flandryruns on a 8086 processor15:49
FalseMessiahmore like a z80 :P15:49
ruskiemost of the world does that15:49
ruskieatleast for servers and computers :)15:49
FalseMessiah8086 is different than a 80x86 right?15:50
ruskieprobably still has some semblance somewhere15:51
ruskiemy computing history is a tad dodgy lately15:51
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FalseMessiahbut really this slow as ...
FalseMessiahs/this/this is as/ ..15:52
ruskiet also lent its last two digits to Intel's later extended versions of the design, such as the 286 and the 386, all of which eventually became known as the x86 family.15:52
FalseMessiahyeah but the architecture is totally differnt15:53
ruskiestill wits in the x86 architercture15:54
FalseMessiahmemory management15:55
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ruskieextension :)15:55
ruskieremove all the extensions and you end up with the 8086 most likely15:56
ruskieanyway afk15:56
Arkenoiyes, you can run 8086 programs on any modern intel x86 cpu15:56
derfI wonder if that's actually tested.15:57
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lardmancu later chaps15:58
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epait seemed to be stopish15:58
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FalseMessiahyeah i am trying to checkout conboy from transifex15:59
FalseMessiahbut i cannot15:59
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jpe__maybe a stupid question, but is it normal that with every stylus touch, i feel a small battery vibration ?16:04
fluxjpe__, it is a configurable setting16:04
Stskeepsthere's a setting for it16:04
jpe__i am just checking, but don't seem to find it...16:04
StskeepsTouch screen vibration or something i think it's called16:05
jpe__yes, just switched it off..16:05
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: mxr hosted on same hosting/machines as in general?16:07
manuelseoki yes the trick is first put sim into a normal phone and do the *# stuff16:07
timeless_mbpStskeeps: no16:07
timeless_mbpmxr is on dreamhost16:07
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: hm, ok16:07
timeless_mbpall mxr gets from is a dns pointer16:07
Stskeepstried to do a search for "/home/user" (without quotes) and it took ages :P16:08
timeless_mbpStskeeps: why?16:08
Stskeepswithout output, so was wondering16:08
timeless_mbpStskeeps: yeah so16:08
timeless_mbpthat's glimpse16:08
timeless_mbpyou asked for home + user + join16:08
timeless_mbpon an incredibly large index16:08
timeless_mbpif you gave it a file filter, it'd be a lot faster16:08
timeless_mbpor something considerably more unique...16:08
timeless_mbp takes roughly 16 'counts' here16:10
timeless_mbpmake that 5 counts16:10
timeless_mbpsearching for "newsp" is also vaguely ok, even though it has 629 lines and 179 files16:11
timeless_mbpi could probably add an animation if it'd make you feel better :)16:12
timeless_mbpi wonder if i can detect that your string "sucks" and warn about it16:13
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DocScrutinizer51flux: apt-get install strace16:14
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fluxdocscrutinizer51, thanks!16:16
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer51: how much of the docs have you read?16:16
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ZackMorrishello everyone16:16
ZackMorrisI am having a reboot problem on my N90016:16
DocScrutinizer51timeless_mbp: of the docs of what precisely?16:16
ZackMorrisif you check you can see I've been posting about it quite a bit since yesterday morning16:17
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DocScrutinizer51timeless_mbp: quite few16:21
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timeless_mbpZackMorris: well, if you want to rely on tmo, be our guest16:21
timeless_mbpbut i'm not going to read tmo if you want help here16:22
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DocScrutinizer51timeless_mbp: what's your point? (reading docs)16:24
timeless_mbpnone. i'm just impressed i suppose16:25
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ZackMorristimeless thats why I came here not much help on TMO16:33
Lantawoooo xchat on my n90016:33
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ZackMorrismy N900 is bricked and I am unable to flash the eMMC16:34
ZackMorrisonly starts up in R&D mode16:34
DocScrutinizer51Lanta: enjoy :-)16:34
ZackMorrisas soon as I put the battery in, it just powers up immediately and goes thru non-stop reboot cycles16:35
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ZackMorrisif in R&D mode I hold in the power button, it will boot up, but when I go to shut it off it will shutdown, and go back to the same reboot cycle16:35
timeless_mbpso, there's an rd flag that causes it to turn on immediately iiuc16:35
timeless_mbpyou probably don't want that flag?16:35
ZackMorrisit's not in just R&D mode16:36
ZackMorrisproduction or rd it just starts immediately if i put the battery in16:36
andre__ZackMorris, see
povbotBug 6350: getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them16:36
ZackMorrisandre__ thanks for your help on bugzilla16:36
andre__and related (no need for more comments there though) :-P16:36
povbotBug 6334: random HW watchdog reboots (/proc/bootreason contains "32wd_to")16:36
timeless_mbpandre__: uk up :)16:36
mgedminZackMorris, what do you mean by "unable to flash the eMMC"?16:36
ZackMorrisbut if use the workaround it still doesn't resolve16:37
ZackMorrismgedmin while running flasher16:37
ZackMorrisit will detect the device16:37
ZackMorristhen when it goes to flash the device it says, unable to find the device16:37
mgedminwhy eMMC, though?  bricking is usually fixed by flashing the rootfs16:37
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ZackMorrisI have flashed the rootfs16:38
ZackMorriswith both the US fw and the global fw16:38
* lcuk wants to strange the person that started using "bricked" to mean something that it wasnt16:38
ZackMorrissame results as soon as I unplug the usb, it starts rebooting again16:38
Lantai love all of you. lol16:38
Lantais freenode still under attack?16:38
mgedminhaven't seen any splits lately16:39
manuelseisps have reduced the damage at least16:39
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mgedmin doesn't have any recent updates16:39
mgedminnor the blog, nor identica16:39
jpe__have some probs with contacts, previously saved on the sim, now some seem to appear with the second name and contain a /M at the end16:40
manuelseqtnx is exciting! hopefully i can get full PC control from N900 soon.  Over the umts16:40
jpe__s/with second name/without second name/16:40
* mgedmin is scared by ZackMorris's story16:41
ZackMorrisAndre you asked me on bugzilla what does "df -h" say , how do I find that information out16:42
ZackMorrismgedmin my issue started when I plugged in the wall charger, it acted as if the device was charging however as soon as I removed the charger it said battery low16:42
mgedminassuming you can boot it (in rd mode) and launch an xterm (or ssh in), type "df -h" in the shell session16:42
ZackMorrisok let me try that16:42
mgedminah, heard that one too -- also kinda scary16:42
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ZackMorrisI kept having that issue for the day, and so I used an external battery charger for my battery, I put the battery back in, opened up xterm16:43
ZackMorrisand as soon as I did it crashed16:43
ZackMorrisand started this reboot process that I cannot escape16:43
ZackMorrisalso if I press symbol/ctrl or the down arrow keys the screen fades out with horizontal lines and goes blank, keyboard stays lit, only way to shut off is to remove battery16:45
ZackMorrison xterm if I go to it16:45
ZackMorrisas I just did and pressed the buttons16:45
ZackMorrisit just went blank as I described16:45
mgedminis that "horizontal lines like in a software bug" or "horizontal lines like in a hardware fault"?16:46
DocScrutinizer51Lanta: seems that's the answer to your Q16:46
ZackMorrisits as the screen is powering off16:46
ZackMorrisit slowly fades away leaving some horizontal lines then eventually nothing16:47
mgedminI remember my laptop doing that16:47
mgedminvideo driver bug that was16:47
mgedmindisabled the video card output without turning off backlight or something16:48
mgedminactually I'm clueless16:48
manuelsei saw something like that on other lcds also16:48
DocScrutinizer51that could actually be both sw and hw bug16:48
manuelse770 as well16:48
ZackMorrisim going to try xterm again16:48
ZackMorrissee if can actually run anything16:48
manuelseit went strange color, slow fade16:48
mgedmindo you have ssh-server?16:48
ZackMorrisif i hit the shift key16:49
ZackMorrisit fades the screen out16:49
DocScrutinizer51yeah. probably best to try and ssh into device16:49
mgedminZackMorris, sounds like a hardware problem16:49
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ZackMorriswhats the easiest way to open up a ssh16:50
mgedmindamaged ribbon connecting the lcd to the motherboard?  when you flex the device (by pushing the keyboard), the contact breaks?16:50
ZackMorrisweird the phone has gone thru no abuse whatsoever16:50
DocScrutinizer51mgedmin: not necesserily hwbug. A nasty kernel oops could probably cause similar behaviour16:51
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ZackMorrisI want to try and resolve the issue before I send it back in, because none are in stock and who knows when I'll get another16:51
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ZackMorrishave a meeting in 30 min, but afterwards would anyone like to walk thru with me ssh'ing into my device to try and help please?16:55
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mgedminin 30 min? plenty of time16:55
mgedminunless you need to prepare or something16:55
mgedminq: do you have ssh-server installed?16:55
mgedminand do you know the IP address of you nokia16:55
ZackMorrisnot on my device no16:55
mgedminand what OS do you use on your laptop/desktop16:55
mgedmincan you install apps?16:55
ZackMorrisill see if i can16:56
mgedminactually, about the screen going blank when you press shift -- does this happen in xterm only, or in any app?16:56
ZackMorrisjust checked, even on bootup screen16:56
ZackMorrisit will do that16:56
* mgedmin still thinks it's a hw problem16:57
mgedminso, if you can install apps, install Open SSH Server16:57
ZackMorrisi notice that those keys are near the usb slot16:57
mgedminit will ask you to set a root password16:57
mgedmintype something in16:57
mgedminthen find out the IP address -- there's a "Personal IP address" applet you can add to the desktop16:57
mgedminthen on your desktop: ssh root@192.168.x.y where that's your IP address -- if you use Linux; if you use Windows, download PuTTY.exe (google it)16:58
AndrewFBlackKhertan, did py2deb righ16:58
mgedminbut it may be simpler to use xterm and the on-screen virtual keyboard to get the output of 'df -h' that you wanted for your bug report16:58
mgedminso I suggest that first16:58
ZackMorrisok lets try that16:59
KhertanSomeone call me ?16:59
KhertanAndrewFBlack: yep ?17:00
ZackMorriswhat am I looking for on the report?17:00
mgedmindo you have any free space in /17:00
ZackMorrisyes nothing is used over 100%17:01
mgedminthat'll be the "Available" column for the first filesystem (rootfs mounted on /)17:01
ZackMorris82.5 available17:01
mgedminthen lack of disk space can be ruled out as a reason for your reboot loop17:01
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cpscottiHere I am again.. some people there willing to test a fun app and vote for it? Its AccDisplay, View/Record/Playback accelerometer's raw data in a graphical manner. It already got 6 votes.17:02
cpscottiLink to vote:
AndrewFBlackKhertan, trying to build a package using it in users/system but its saying it doesn´t know that section anyway around it?17:03
anidelfor whoever is still wondering if GeneralAntilles is real:
mgedminAndrewFBlack, it's "user/system", not "users/system"17:04
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mgedmin(assuming I understood your question correctly)17:05
AndrewFBlackmgedmin, s was just a typo in my comment here I have it right in py2deb file17:05
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siriusnovanew app? :>17:07
ZackMorrisok should I proceed with ssh download?17:07
cpscottisiriusnova: yes..17:07
ZackMorrisOpenSSH Client yes?17:07
siriusnovathx for making it17:07
ZackMorrisill get the client and server17:08
siriusnovayou know what would be cool cpscotti17:08
siriusnovafor the app17:08
siriusnovaif when you playback your accelerometer your N900 would do the exact same thing thats in the data17:08
siriusnovaso if you threw it up17:08
siriusnovait would jump up by itself again17:08
AndrewFBlackKhertan, is it because I´m using my n810 and py2deb to build my package for n900 is that why sections are not right17:08
cpscottiI made the app at first to help everyone out there (including me) that is wondering what you can and what you cannot do with the accelerometers17:09
ZackMorrisok installed17:09
cpscottisince you can playback in slow motion and all.. you can really understand how it all works17:10
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ZackMorriswhere would the IP Applet be located/17:10
jebbacpscotti: how *does* the accelerometer work internally though? You got a link for the chip or anything? I dont quite get it (not the software, but how it detects movement)17:11
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jpjokelaHow many "maemo light saber" programs we already have? :-)17:11
jpjokelaThat seems to be generally the most common "use case" on other platforms anyway...17:12
jebbai only saw one, but it lagged a ton17:12
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ZackMorrisis there a command in xterm to find out ip address of the device?17:12
cpscottijebba: well.. wikipedia helps in that way.17:12
manuelsei would like to be able to specify anamorphic ratio in playback of video because some videos are not correct17:15
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cpscottiwell.. if you have 3 very tiny weight measuring things around a tiny mass.. you get an accelerometer17:15
Jaffajpjokela: Only light sabre app I know is khertan's prototype17:15
Khertanjpjokela: and mine doesn't work well17:16
KhertanAndrewFBlack: yep ... ...  edit the section ... or use the py2deb version in the fremantle repository :)17:16
* fnordianslip thinks of the darwin awards and the two people with burning petrol-filled light-tubes whenever someone mentions light sabres17:16
jebbacool. so it is just a very very little physical object moving around (micromachine). Heh.17:17
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sivanghey jebba17:18
sivangand all, how's this day going on you ?:)17:18
jebbagoing well hey sivang17:18
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cpscottijebba: yeah.. and that's very annoying bc when you see the chip, its so.. so.. static..17:22
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manuelseubuntu sdk renamed my .tgz file to .cbp on copy17:27
manuelseit renamed a .tgz to a 'comic book' format17:27
jebba.cbp ? thats a new one to me17:27
jebbawell, ubuntu is smarter than you,no?17:27
manuelsethis is a apocryphal ubuntu story17:28
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manuelseno it did worse.  it corrupted the file17:30
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bobbydis there any way to see which bugs are targeted for which relelase in maemo?17:30
manuelseubuntu is the sickest thing i have ever seen since touching windows17:30
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bobbydand is the official bug database for maemo?17:31
Stskeepshow's the countryside, wazd_n800?17:32
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manuelseyes bobbyd it is17:33
cpscottimanuelse: don't say that!17:33
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AndrewFBlackKhertan, when using py2deb on n900I get an error on seccond an Iĺl get it for you17:33
DocScrutinizer51jebba: (accel) it's a lis302. I'm sure on you find quite some details, and link to datasheet17:34
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wazd_n800Stskeeps, heh,  internet is frozen just like  everything else :D17:34
KhertanAndrewFBlack: ?17:34
bobbydmanuelse: cool17:34
KhertanAndrewFBlack: which errors ?17:34
Stskeepswazd_n800: i'm stuck in f*cking denmark due to snow too17:34
wazd_n800Stskeeps, only can run irc(17:34
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wazd_n800Stskeeps, how's your thesis?)17:35
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KhertanAndrewFBlack: py2deb is builded by himself ...17:35
Stskeepswazd_n800: handed it in and not thinking of it for at least half a month17:35
wazd_n800Stskeeps, cool)17:35
DocScrutinizer51jebba: the most intriguing thing about lis302 is the programmable IRQ, as on a system like N900 you usually do not want like 100 or even 400 data transmissions / second that would keep the CPU active all the time17:37
AndrewFBlackstrange I get an error with py2deb using xterm but if i ssh in it is working17:37
AndrewFBlackdoes that make any sense?17:37
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KMFDMthe newest version of ubuntu is indeed pathetic somehow since gutsy they've managed to decrease quality with each release17:38
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DocScrutinizer51yeah they are close to reaching their goal: linux for windoze noobs17:40
KMFDMyou mean as many bugs as windows17:41
wazd_n800that's not ubuntu channel17:41
anidelHi guys, videos from Barcelona Maemo event (Maemo-Barcelona Lond Weekend / UX Meets Code) can be found here :
wazd_n800linux fanboing next door17:41
DocScrutinizer51and as few ways for user to tailor system to his prefs as in windoze17:41
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LaiskaKMFDM: Concur, I'm quite dissapointed with Karmic..17:43
jebbathx anidel17:43
LaiskaJaunty was A-ok, had no complaints17:43
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KMFDMi honestly haven't upgraded since hardy, but that drive crashed on me and i have a karmic disc ready but i haven't had the time yet to tackle it17:45
anideljebba: welcome.. don't look at mine :(17:45
anideli.e. don't watch it :P17:45
KMFDMas last time i installed hardy it took 24 hours to get all my hardware working right (when it all worked fine in gutsy)17:45
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KMFDMi'm working from a ibex machine at the moment which is ok except for a sound issue, but it is my system at work so I'm not really concerned about it17:46
LaiskaOh, just a rant but happened to pop in to my mind.. it would be cool if one could bind the "swipe left" to ctrl + p and "swipe right" to ctrl + n.. so that in Irssi one could flick trough channels17:47
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qoshey guys. what is this for? RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin17:49
DocScrutinizer51A general tool to set up kbd shortcuts would be cool indeed17:50
qosin n8x0 series devices there was just one firmware17:50
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wazd_n800Stskeeps, remind me how to turn on cursor please :)17:52
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wazd_n800Stskeeps, nm17:52
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_berto_qos: where did you get that ?17:53
wazd_n800Stskeeps, yep)17:53
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wazd_n800Stskeeps, vm runs  hella slow on my poor laptop)17:54
qos_berto_, its availible in the fireware download location. why?17:54
_berto_didn't see that :)17:54
_berto_qos: it's for the internal memory card17:54
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qos_berto_, purpose?17:55
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_berto_qos: format and reset the original contents17:55
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_berto_user guides, probably wallpapers, maps, ...17:55
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_berto_everything that comes under /home/user when you first boot the device17:56
qos_berto_, i guess you don't need it if you didn't modified that. to just reset the device to delivery condition the normal firmware should do the job, right?17:57
mgedmingPodder doesn't hook into the backup app and doesn't remember my subscriptions!17:57
AndrewFBlack_berto_, seems more people are having the netwok connection error I´m having17:57
_berto_qos: yes, if you do that you'll lose all your personal files17:57
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_berto_AndrewFBlack: hmmm, I'll try to think how we can debug that17:59
AndrewFBlack_berto_, thanks17:59
_berto_AndrewFBlack: n8x0 or n900 ?17:59
AndrewFBlackn900 I can try it on n810 as well17:59
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_berto_that would help, although in theory you should get the same error in both cases18:00
ml-mobilewhee, 24h of uptime with no reboots18:02
ShadowJKmgedmin: bugzilla it? :)18:02
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mgedminwaaah, bugzilla love needed!18:03
mgedminwhen I'm looking at or, there's no link to search for all bugs reported for this product :(18:04
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qos_berto_, wow what a service! thx18:04
mgedminandre__, any chance of improving that?18:04
RST38handre: Do you by any chance know where I can find jeremiah or X-fade?18:05
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RST38hOh, wait, the problem miraculously fixed itself!18:06
RST38hSpeccy 1.6.1 goes into Extras.18:07
RST38hVulture's Eye 0.2.100 goes into Extras18:08
andre__RST38h, sorry, no...  (we work remote and don't share offices :-P )18:08
RST38handre: I guess one of them heard my prayers and fixed missing libpulse0 dependency18:08
andre__mgedmin, it's a good idea. can you file a report against Bugzilla in bugzilla, please?18:08
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vanksiany news on stable vpnc for n900?18:09
* mgedmin also very unhappy that keyboard typeahed doesn't work in chromium for selecting the product in
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mgedminbug 5636 already reported18:10
povbotBug gPodder settings (Preferences, Subscription list...) not backed up by Nokia Backup tool18:10
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ifreqanyone got scr shot how droid fonts look on nopp desktop?18:11
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mgedminwhat's "nopp"?18:11
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ifreqits lag18:12
ifreqits n900 without fn.. *g*18:12
AbstractWamazon still hasn't shipped my phone.18:12
AbstractWOrdered 3 days ago, still not shipped ><18:13
RST38hAnyone knows if Enigma is optified???18:13
RST38hAbstractW: Is this supposed to be amazing in some way?18:13
* RST38h fails to see the significance18:13
zashRandom question: Is Vim usable with the N900 keyboard?=18:13
AbstractWRST38h: Not really, I'm just bitching.18:13
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SpeedEvil1RST38: don't install it - it'll make you INSENA!18:14
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* RST38h is already INSENA18:14
RST38hToo late fixing that18:14
SpeedEvilIt's mostly working for straight gameplay - but the control is broken18:14
greenflyzash: it's not too bad18:14
SpeedEvilcontrol settings18:14
SpeedEviland it grabs mouse seemingly, whihc _really_ confuses stuff18:15
RST38hprobably still assumes that homemade control stick18:15
zashgreenfly: how so?18:15
SpeedEvilRST38: Sitting down with the thing clutched to your chest, and _teeny_ movements is required on most levels :)18:15
SpeedEvilFun though.18:15
Sargun_ScreenCan I import contact files on the Ovi thing18:16
* RST38h still needs to figure out how he should break Extras submission rules to make FBReader update properly18:16
RST38hShould probably place libzlibrary into user/libs ...18:16
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greenflyzash: I'm not quite sure how to answer that18:17
greenflyzash: it works mostly how you'd expect vim to work with a thumb keyboard18:17
mgedminzash, I use vim with the n900 keyboard18:17
mgedminnot as much yet as I've used it with the n81018:17
greenflyobviously things like ^ and $ will be a little harder to hit18:17
mgedminbut it's quite usable18:17
mgedminwith a few mappings to help18:17
Sargun_ScreenHow do I import contacts onto my device?18:18
mgedminRST38h, that's what upstream does18:18
mgedminI always thought it was a misunderstanding18:19
Sargun_Screenthe N900 isn't compatible with my Outlook implemtnation (Zimbra)18:19
zashanyone happen to know if/how much iphone + ssh + vim sucks?18:19
RST38h"We can't say we've ever heard of a $26 Russian program called SkyGrabber before, but it's about to get famous real fast -- according to the Wall Street Journal, Iraqi insurgents have been regularly using the satellite-snooping software to monitor live Predator video feeds."18:19
RST38hmgedmin: It is a workaround :)18:19
SpeedEvilThe sat-feeds are unencrypted18:19
mgedminzash, not really, but iphone's screen resolution is much lower, isn't it?18:19
Sargun_ScreenSpeedEvil: Yup.18:19
SpeedEvilAnd go over commercial nets18:19
RST38hWhich btw means that Pentagon has done nothing for the last 6-8 years to encrypt this crap18:19
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Sargun_ScreenSpeedEvil: Well, sometimes they do mediocre crypto.18:20
SpeedEvilThe C&C goes over the encrypted nets18:20
Micha_Anybody interested in testing a small app? mwTube 0.0.2 in extras-devel Desktop.  Shows current London Tube status.18:20
AbstractWSargun_Screen: Zimbra doesn't use all the 2007 stuff.18:20
Sargun_ScreenAbstractW: Anyways, the N900 wont sync18:20
Sargun_ScreenAbstractW: So, how do I get my contacts into my n90?18:21
wazd_n800switchhing to secure frequency now18:21
el_zilchoi used PC Suite18:21
AbstractWCan you sync locally, with outlook?18:21
el_zilchofrom a windows box18:21
Sargun_ScreenAbstractW: I don't have a windows box.18:21
el_zilchoand loaded it from a backup18:21
AbstractWSargun_Screen: Then how are you using outlook?18:21
el_zilchome neither, i had to use one at work :)18:21
Sargun_ScreenAbstractW: Zimbra.18:21
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AbstractWOh, zimbra client. I thought you meant zimbra as the server.18:22
el_zilchoor if you've got a windows VM18:22
Sargun_ScreenYeah, Zimbra is the client...and server....18:22
el_zilchoi don't think pc suite works under wine18:22
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AbstractWWindows VM is about your only choice, Sargun_Screen. Outlook on your Windows VM to your Zimbra server.18:22
AbstractWYou may be able to export your contacts as .vcf files, and go that way.18:23
Sargun_ScreenAlright, how do I stuff VCFs into my N900?18:23
AbstractWThats beyond me. I still don't have my N900 yet :P18:23
AbstractWGoal is to get scratchbox up and running today.18:24
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Sargun_ScreenOoh, have fun!18:26
AndrewFBlack_berto_, your right same error on my n810 and on multiple networks18:27
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mgedminandre__, filed as bug 708018:28
povbotBug Simplify searching for a bug in the selected product18:28
_berto_AndrewFBlack: can you file a bug at
_berto_ ?18:29
AndrewFBlacksure can18:30
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AndrewFBlackthat is if garage is playing nice today lol18:30
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_berto_yes, good luck with that18:32
revnilcan anyone tell me if it is possible to reset the n900 including the security code?  I talked to nokia care and they want me to send the thing to Palco to get fixed18:32
SpeedEvilsecurity code - you mean the lock?18:32
SpeedEvil12345 is the default lock code18:32
revnilI understand the firmware flash doesn't, but what about emmc18:32
revnilSpeedEvil: I changed it, and apparently forgotten within the span of hours18:32
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revnilyep.  I'm an idiot..18:33
SpeedEvilI suggest putting it in the freezer, then taking it out, dipping it in batter, and deep-frying.18:33
revnilbut I feel comfortable reflashing the emmc if it fixes the problem18:33
SpeedEvilYoutube this.18:33
AbstractWyaay for waiting for my workstation to restart. Gotta love a 40K page fault delta.18:33
revnildon't tell me that. :(18:33
RST38hgoooood idea18:33
ZackMorrisok I've downloaded OPEN SSH CLIENT AND SERVER , where do I find the widget to get the device IP ?18:34
AbstractWZackMorris: open a terminal.18:34
FalseMessiahZackMorris: you only needed a terminal18:35
FalseMessiahZackMorris: and there type ifconfig | grep inet18:36
FalseMessiahZackMorris: and there type: ifconfig | grep inet18:36
mgedminZackMorris, or install the "Personal IP Address" app and add it to your desktop18:36
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timeless_mbpJaffa / X-Fade : is a splash screen 'graphics'?18:37
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timeless_mbpi.e. what section should i use for my splash screen?18:37
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ZackMorrismgedmin I couldn't find the app for that18:38
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mgedminmaybe you don't have extras-devel in your app manager18:38
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ZackMorrisifconfig didn't work in xterm18:39
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mgedminthat's unpossible18:41
ZackMorrisgoing to add extras-devel catalogue now18:41
mgedminthat's risky18:41
ZackMorrismy phone is already bricked18:41
mgedmin(we're kinda obliged to say that whenever we recommend extras-devel for anyone, by peer pressure)18:41
ZackMorrisyeah ifconfig isn't working18:42
ZackMorris-sh: ifconfig: not found18:42
mgedminah, stupid default $PATH18:42
* mgedmin mumbles more choice words about the default $PATH18:42
mgedminubuntu puts /sbin and /usr/sbin in the default $PATH of every user, which is not very kosher, but is incredibly convenient18:43
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ZackMorrisyep $path18:44
ZackMorrisok let me get the ip now18:44
jebbaZackMorris: how did you brick your foone?18:44
revnilso anyone ever flash the emmc? :/18:44
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mgedminif your n900 weren't bricked, I'd recommend setting up avahi-daemon so you can ssh using hostname rather than typing addresses18:44
Sargun_Screenhm, how can i get bash on this thing18:45
Sargun_Screenand working bash history18:45
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ZackMorrisok have the ip18:46
luke-jr_mgedmin: that doesn't require any kind of avahi nonsense :D18:46
ZackMorrisjebba on tmo18:46
ZackMorrisive been posting about it18:46
ZackMorrisand i can only start in R&D mode18:46
ZackMorrisas soon as I shut it off18:46
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ZackMorrisit goes right back to the reboot cycle, you've commented on the threads I have there about it18:47
ZackMorrisit bricked when I was first having charger issues18:47
mgedminluke-jr_, it requires either avahi or a DHCP server that does DNS updates18:47
luke-jr_Sargun_Screen: apt-get install bash#?18:47
mgedminI can't control all DHCP servers in the world18:47
luke-jr_mgedmin: why not?18:47
Lynourehrw: your software does make sound, right?18:47
jebbaZackMorris: oh ya, i responded to those ya.18:47
hrwLynoure: yes18:47
mgedminluke-jr_, ... because people won't give me root access to their DHCP servers?18:48
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hrwLynoure: it uses GStreamer under phonon18:48
ZackMorrisyeah even when I power off in R&D mode it's just not powering off it goes right back to the reboot cycle18:48
Lynourehrw: if so, could I take it for a spin, to see if the reason for the phonon silence is affecting it as well, or if I am just doing something wrong?18:48
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ZackMorrismgedmin ok i have the ip and i installed open ssh client and server what was the next step you suggested so someone can ssh in and figure it out18:48
* timeless_mbp pokes jebba or luke-jr_ or someone18:48
* jebba pokes timeless_mbp18:49
LynoureWell, I probably am doing something wrong, just would want to differentiate between desktop configuration and code18:49
timeless_mbpjebba: which section is 'graphics'?18:49
Sargun_Screenluke-jr_: but it didnt set bash as the  default shell18:49
mgedminZackMorris, do you use linux or windows?  on linux, ssh root@the-ip-address, on Windows, download PuTTY.exe18:49
* luke-jr_ stabs timeless_mbp18:49
hrwLynoure: I could give you x86 maemosdk binary but that would be GPL violation and I do not want to release sources yet18:49
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jebbaZackMorris: and when it completes the reboot cycle in R&D mode you get your desktop again?18:49
luke-jr_Sargun_Screen: ok18:49
mgedminZackMorris, and I wasn't really thinking about someone ssh'ing in and figuring things out -- although Nokia developers who are working on that bug might find it useful18:50
Lynourehrw: Would not... as I would not ask for the source, and I can promise to never ask for them.18:50
ZackMorrisno Jebba the only way it gets to the desktop is if I hold in the power button while it is in the reboot process18:50
mgedminI was more thinking about letting you run things like 'df -h' with the keyboard broken18:50
jebbatimeless_mbp: 1 sec18:50
luke-jr_Lynoure: there is a loophole to that ;)18:50
mgedminbefore I remembered the on-screen VKB18:50
ZackMorrisI have to hold it for about 10-15 seconds and then the led turns white then it will start to boot, if not it will just reboot over and over18:50
Lynoureluke-jr_: there is ?18:50
hrwLynoure: build phononmediaplayer from qt examples18:50
Lynourehrw: hmm, yes, could do that.18:51
hrwLynoure: my playing stuff is from that example18:51
jebbatimeless_mbp:  Section: user/graphics   ...  ;)18:51
luke-jr_Lynoure: the "source offer" route of the GPL requires the offer to be valid for *anyone*, not merely the recipient of the binary18:51
Lynoureluke-jr_: darn.18:51
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ZackMorrisoh ok18:51
jebbaZackMorris: dont know. Sounds like you have  a different problem than most in that thread (e.g. different than the "spontaneous reboot" thing)18:52
Stskeepsluke-jr_: so if someone got your binary code you have to give the sources to everyone? :P18:52
ZackMorrismgedmin I got putty running now, but im a lil bit of noob trying to figure out exactly whats going on18:52
jebbadont feed him18:52
Lynourehrw: What kind of environment you use? Probably not ubuntu 9.10?18:52
luke-jr_Stskeeps: if your binary code included an offer for source code to anyone who requested it, one of the options for GPL distribution18:52
ZackMorrisespecially since I keep getting referred to those two bugs concerning the reboots18:52
hrwLynoure: Debian 'sid'18:52
murrayc_luke-jr_: I don't think that's true. You need to provide the source to anyone who got the binary.18:52
luke-jr_murrayc_: read the GPL18:53
ZackMorrisbug 6350 mainly18:53
povbotBug getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them18:53
Stskeepsluke-jr_: show me the paragraph, please18:53
Stskeepsdocument your statement.18:53
luke-jr_Stskeeps: in GPL 2 or 3?18:53
Stskeepsluke-jr_: GPL2 in this case18:53
ZackMorrisif anyone wants to work with me on this, feel free to go ahead18:53
Stskeepsluke-jr_: and please remember I know where you live.18:53
luke-jr_b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,18:53
luke-jr_*any third party*18:54
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luke-jr_option (a) is including the source itself18:54
luke-jr_option (c) is redistribution an offer under (b) that you received18:54
ZackMorrishmm on my device is there anything i have to enter in xterm to allow putty access to my device?18:54
ruskieluke-jr_, no only the recipient of the binary has a valid offer18:55
mgedminZackMorris, no, you just have to have (a) a public IP address and (b) give those other people your root password18:55
ruskieif he gives the binary on then that perso is also entitled to it18:55
mgedmindon't do (b) lightly!18:55
ZackMorriswhere do you put the password in on putty?18:55
mgedminand for (a), most networks use NAT and have no public IP address18:55
mgedminputty will show a prompt18:55
mgedminusername: and then password:18:55
* pupnik frolics18:55
hrw  For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have.  You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code.  And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.18:55
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hrwluke-jr_: "the recipients" not "for anyone"18:56
ZackMorrisoh ok i am at work so possibly no public ip18:56
ZackMorriswould it be the inet address or the broadcast?18:56
luke-jr_hrw: that's the summary, and option (a)18:56
* GAN900 sighs at Quim shooting down bugs.18:56
* pupnik wonders if 500MB limit is stupid for g3 access18:56
hrwGAN900: moved to brainfuck?18:56
luke-jr_hrw: presumably, without receiving the binary, you wouldn't know about option (b)18:57
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GAN900hrw, WONTFIX18:57
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GAN900bug #686218:57
povbotBug Add status area item to indicate Tracker activity18:57
ruskieGAN900, which one?18:57
pupnikaww GAN90018:57
zashpupnik: 0.5GB?18:57
ruskiethat's annoying18:57
zashpupnik: that sucks18:57
StskeepsGAN900: open source, ask a community member to hack it up18:57
GAN900bug #681218:57
povbotBug Remove "Power saving mode" setting from Touchscreen settings18:57
pupnikzash,  i was planning to not watch youtubes.  just chat and serious browsing.18:57
ZackMorrissorry if I am asking wayyy too many questions.18:58
jebbaZackMorris: how many times have you let it run thru the "reboot" cycle after powering off in R&D mode?18:58
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ruskiethat's what we're here for...18:58
luke-jr_and this is all assuming you can make an agreement to ignore a future agreement :p18:58
GAN900Stskeeps, yeah, that doesn't help the normal users who are worst impacted by Tracker bringing the device to a crawl. :)18:58
hrwluke-jr_: or I can just keep it for my own use :D18:58
StskeepsGAN900: i agree18:58
zashpupnik: I have a 99SEK/month plan with 5GB cap18:58
StskeepsGAN900: an extension to load applet?18:58
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GAN900Again, what's the point?18:59
ZackMorrisjebba i've let run a few times, and earlier this morning i've let it run for 10 minutes while out on smoke break18:59
GAN900Normal users wont install anything 3rd party.18:59
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luke-jr_hrw: or put a price tag on it <.<18:59
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hrwluke-jr_: so far I prefer to keep it. in Jan I will get back to it and then will release sources on public git19:00
hrwluke-jr_: I think that it will be good example of how to write Maemo5 application using Qt with testing on desktop19:00
ruskiepupnik, hmm my current data monitor is showing: 512mb downloaded 30mb uploaded... and this is sans all the reflashing I did and all the downloading in between :)19:01
Stskeepsluke-jr_: either way, i'm happy i'm a BSD licensing guy. :P19:01
pupnikduring what time period ruskie ? how many weeks?19:01
ruskiepupnik, hmm 14 days since I got it today and of that 5 days of reflashing and quite a bit of downloading19:02
jebbaZackMorris: cuz mine just appeared to go thru that cycle a few times. It will do that if it needs to fsck and such.19:02
ruskieso infact it's more like 9 days of use19:02
anidelGAN900 his not shooting down bugs.. just yours19:02
luke-jr_Stskeeps: I don't stick to any one license.19:03
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Stskeepsluke-jr_: true, what license makes sense for what you're trying to do19:04
Stskeepsmy primary on is bsd though19:04
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tyrusgood people19:04
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tyrusam tearing my hair here with my n800 os200819:04
luke-jr_these days, I generally just release code with no license and wait for someone to ask me XD19:04
luke-jr_at least smaller stuff19:04
tyrusso apparently it started freezing on me19:04
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Stskeepsluke-jr_: you are aware you are technically not giving them any license to use it at all then?19:05
GAN900anidel, bugs are bugs.19:05
luke-jr_unless it fits within a clear license category19:05
luke-jr_Stskeeps: yes19:05
anidelGAN900: was just kidding.. commented on that particular one....19:05
tyrusseems i cant format the memory card for some reason19:05
luke-jr_Stskeeps: but one does not need a license to use, merely to copy19:05
anidelas I've seen it many times already19:05
GAN900anidel, personally I think these bugs deserve more than "I personally disagree, WONTFIX"19:05
tyruswhen i ran sfdisk19:06
tyrusi get the following error19:06
hrwluke-jr_: my app has to be GPL as it uses code from Qt examples19:06
ruskieI think any bug deserves more than just opening comment, no reason close19:06
tyrusinput/output error19:06
luke-jr_Stskeeps: and if someone actually wants to distribute it, they can ask and I'll probably just say sure :P19:06
anidelGAN900: sure, I do agree with you fully19:06
ruskiehrw, hmm isn't qt lgpl as well?19:06
jebbatyrus: check `dmesg`19:06
jebbatyrus: also what was your full sfdisk command?19:06
tyruson /dev/mmcblkl-cannot  read sector 019:06
luke-jr_hrw: Qt's examples are GPL?19:06
pupnikls -l /lib/dsp/ is interesting.....19:07
tyrusthanks jebba19:07
* luke-jr_ personally feels examples should be public domain or at least BSD licensed19:07
anidelGAN900: as this is what being open means.. (btw; you appear here:
RST38hGAN900: Looks like I will have to return zlibrary to user/libs19:07
luke-jr_unless they're more than mere examples19:07
hrwok, LGPL19:07
tyrusi have been combing thru  dmesg19:07
RST38hGAN900: I hoped that the next updates (like _5 to _6) would go without a hitch but I was wrong19:07
tyrusand this is what i have found19:07
ruskieluke-jr_, public domain does not exist in certain countries... atleast not explicit one19:07
ruskiealso copyright laws can and do differ from country to country... hence why a license is the better approach19:08
tyrusend_request: I/O error, dev,mmcblk0, sector 115519:08
tyrusand it goes on and on19:08
jebbawhat's the full cfdisk command you ran?19:08
tyrusam thinkin these are bad sectors but i cant get to format my card19:08
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Lynourehrw: not much luck playing with the example, I keep getting (<unknown>:25910): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_make_from_uri: assertion `gst_uri_is_valid (uri)' failed   with it :/19:08
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tyrusi ran sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblkl19:09
jebbaZackMorris: do you by any chance try powering off with USB cables all disconnected?19:09
jebbatyrus: that looks wrong. gimme a minute and i'll give you better command19:09
tyrusthanks jebba19:10
tyrusreally appreciate your time19:10
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jebbatyrus: you're talking about an "additional" microsd card, just to confirm, right?19:10
tyrusyes, thats right jebba19:10
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hrwwhich public GIT server would you recommend for keeping some LGPL sources?19:11
GAN900RST38h, nooo, don't!19:11
Stskeepshrw: gitorious19:12
GAN900RST38h, it's a virus. We have to disinfect the current users but we should infect more.19:12
Hydroxidehrw: doesnt' matter. gitorious, github, your own machine, sourceforge, whatever you want :) that's the point. but Nokia stuff seems to use gitorious19:12
arachnisthrw: github and gitorious19:12
GAN900Besides, it wont get into Extras that way.19:12
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GAN900anidel, ahaha19:12
GAN900anidel, they followed the doc track around EVERYWHERE19:12
GAN900anidel, they kept telling us to quiet down while we were having discussions, too.19:13
anidelGA I've ordered my N900 today at 12:40pm, 13:02 it was shipped, 16:52 it was picked up by DHL!!19:13
GAN900anidel, we decided at some point we needed to stage a fight in the background.19:13
anidelGAN900: yeah.. it happened to me as well once19:13
anidelthat'd be fun :p19:14
GAN900anidel, I wish they'd wasted less money on overnight international shipping and put it towards a warranty instead.19:14
jebbatyrus: sudo sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk1       works for me.  Note in your command above you have a "l" (lower L) instead of a 1 (number one), though i think you just typoed that here.19:14
tyrusoh yeah thats exactly what i ran jebba19:15
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anidelGAN900: me too.19:16
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anidelor make it cheaper..19:16
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jebbatyrus: try partitioning/formatting on another device then put it in n900 and try it19:17
tyrusoops sorry dont have n900 jebba :(19:17
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GAN900anidel, infact, I think we're discussing the fight when I look up and grin at the camera around 0:20. *g*19:18
GAN900anidel, indeed.19:18
anidelbut as Quim stated, Forum Nokia deals with company usually19:18
GAN900International overnight is probably, what, €50 minimum?19:19
* timeless_mbp pokes GAN900 elsewhere19:19
AndrewFBlackWorking on my Color Scheme Fremantle Theme and was calling it maemo-org then I remembered the whole we can´t use the name maemo in anything.  Any got any ideas?  BTW not only does it use the community colors the theme is a colaboration between several theme designers and I´m also going to ask more community members to summit there work for the theme and icons as well?19:19
anidelcall it fremantle-theme?19:20
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: see what wallpaper or bootup screen is called?19:20
Stskeepsif there's such a package19:20 is OK19:20
GAN900Maemo is not19:20
anideloh yeah, right19:20
GAN900( is not OK)19:20
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AndrewFBlackso no big M is ok19:20
GAN900Look at VDVsx's gratiutous use of the logo in BlueMaemo. :D19:21
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GAN900As long as it has a ".org" on the end.19:21
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, I don´t think either of those have a package in extras yet19:21
jebbatyrus: well put it in your n810 or whatever it is you have19:21
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AndrewFBlackwell I used - for the package name maemo-org instead of don´t think the . will work19:21
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Hydroxidedebian packages in general can use . in the name - not sure about maemo's policies in that regard19:22
Hydroxide(or the app manager's, etc)19:22
* VDVsx used that logo just to piss GAN900 :D19:22
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AndrewFBlackHydroxide, well I learned something didn´t know you could have a . I guess I could change to that but then would have 2 packages in devel19:23 is a valid name of a popular Debian package ;)19:23
mgedminerr, -base not -bin19:23
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AndrewFBlacktrue never thought about having the .19:23
mgedminand so is python2.519:23
mgedminwhich is not such a good example, since "oh, that's a version number"19:24
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pupnikdoes nokia update any bundled software packages individually?  or is it all pushed out with a new 'firmware' release?19:29
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Robot101I think they have to certify the combinations of software for various purposes, so they push updates at the same time as new firmware goes out19:30
SargunIs there some sort of PIM/contact management API on the device?19:30
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CorsacSargun: I think so but the wiki should have more info, I guess19:31
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Sargunwait, we just use EDS under the hood?19:34
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Robot101Sargun: the device's address book is eds, yes. but you need to access it through libosso-abook to get unified contacts (with the IM presence/etc merged in)19:35
Sargunotherwise, I could just shove my data into EDS19:35
Robot101what is your data? if you're syncing normal contacts etc, that should work with eds19:36
Robot101it has one book for the "master contacts" using the file backend, and the UI merges together the telepathy contacts on the fly19:36
Pavlovhas anyone made it so i can sync my google contacts to n900 yet?19:37
pupnikgoogle is in a competitive position with nokia, so i wouldn't expect too much goodness from them19:37
Robot101you can, theoretically, configure the Exchange syncing to work with Google19:38
Robot101but it doesn't work too well19:38
Sargunhaha, no, it works rather horribly IIRC19:38
Robot101pupnik: not really, Google Talk and search are integrated on the device. Google is an advertising company, Android is just bought to push their services more, it doesn't mean they'll stop pushing them on other platforms too...19:39
barisioneSargun: yeah, you can use EDS directly, but be prepared to have to change your code as soon as you want to do something more complex19:39
Robot101pupnik: why would they have google maps on iPhone, or maps/gmail/etc on S60, etc...19:39
ifreqone day google will rule us all19:40
barisioneSargun: but OssoABookContact is derived from EContact, EDS is not hidden at all19:40
infobotifreq meant: one day borg will rule us all19:40
SargunMeep, why wont the N900 sync with my zimbra server, rawr.19:41
Sargunor Ovi needs contacts import/export19:41
pupnikRobot101: good points thanks19:43
SargunSo, is there hope that one day Zimbra Server will work with the n900?19:44
ifreqthere is quite a lot of hope19:44
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Sargunifreq, what is the root of this hope? You know, it was the only sin that failed to escape from pandora's box19:45
Robot101pupnik: so, I do hope we'll get google maps for maemo... :D19:45
hrwbb in few19:45
SargunWhy would you want Google Maps?19:45
ifreqSargun: were just in start of our n900 journey.. everything is possible so long as we keep stuff open19:45
pupnikopenstreetmap is awesome in my area19:45
SpeedEvil1Sargun: the integrated streetview stuff looks quite shiny - though I haven't used it19:45
SargunSpeedEvil1, I thought that was only available on Android19:46
SpeedEvil1pupnik: yeah - I'm trying to work out how to take pictures through osm2go19:46
pupnikthe presentation by Till was real good.  I hope we can someday see those online.19:46
ifreqpupnik: yeah openstreetmap is cool (using with biking instead of $$$ maps)19:46
SpeedEvil1pupnik: I've done my first mapping using n90019:46
SpeedEvil1Trivial tho19:46
SpeedEvil1But it diddn't seem too inaccurate - even in front trouser pocket when driving19:47
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lcukifreq, i really like that quote19:48
lcukshame i cant retweet from irc to twitter :)19:48
ifreqhehe well you can repaste it19:49
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ifreqirc to twitter would be a lot of spam *g*19:49
lcuknahh i would want direct irc to twitter all the time19:50
Micha_join #maemo-devel19:50
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lcukreally put a strain on the servers - we create so much content/noice down here :)19:50
SpeedEvil1The silliest thing I've seen using twitter is my calorie tracking site.19:50
SpeedEvil1you can set it to tweet every food item you eat19:50
lcuksomeone setup a lovemaking twitter19:51
lcukusing a pressure pad in his mates marital bed19:51
lcukeverytime they hump it will tweet19:51
* lcuk finds it19:51
SpeedEvil1i can see myself using flickr rather more with the phone.19:52
SpeedEvil1now that' it's ~3 buttons to share.19:52
lcukSpeedEvil1, i would want live 0 button feed streaming19:53
suihkulokkithe kernel developer feeding all commands from bash shell to twitter live was funny too19:53
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SpeedEvil1yes, I would like that too.19:53
SpeedEvil1open shutter -> video19:54
lcuki do it now with liqbase sketches and screenshots and photos can go up19:54
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SpeedEvil1And a pocket with a hole in the right place19:54
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suihkulokkiqik could do that probably19:54
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lcuksuihkulokki, you need dual led enabled whilst taking movies19:56
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SpeedEvilthat would be nice.19:59
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Lynourehrw: cool, I take a loot at it after booting from gnome to kde... maybe pulseaudio messing things up, or something20:08
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an0therb0xhelp please anyone here familiar with Nokia N900 ?20:09
SpeedEvilan0therb0x: the what?20:09
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SpeedEvilan0therb0x: Is it some sort of car?20:10
SpeedEvilIn short, yes, quite a few people.20:10
* mgedmin is personally familiar with two Nokia N900s20:10
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an0therb0xml-mobile:  i have a bluetooth headset connected to the N900 and the ring tone only goes to the headset it possible to change that so the ringing comes through the N900 instead20:11
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AndrewFBlackan0therb0x, Not that i know of20:12
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hrwsee you tomorrow20:14
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pupnikplease add 'ping' to maemo 5 sdk20:16
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an0therb0xAndrewFBlack: thanks20:16
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ZackMorrisjebba mine goes thru that cycle indefinitely20:20
ZackMorrisafter a flash or even after powering down in rd mode20:20
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johnqHi! Is there any progress on using opensync with the n900?20:21
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clmntchi think the correct question would be 'is there any progress on using opensync with anything?'20:23
mgedminsync is a myth20:23
* mgedmin could never reliably sync anything to anything20:23
lcukanyone know why maemo downloads keeps resetting the changes i apply to my page?20:23
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mgedminoh, don't get me started20:24
jebbaZackMorris: so basically you set r&d mode and you can boot up once. Then after that you're hosed.20:24
lcuki keep changing the description and it keeps getting reverted20:24
lcuktho my edit history shows the data20:24
clmntchmgedmin: i had the same experience20:24
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ZackMorriscorrect jebba20:26
ZackMorrisseems like bug 7019 might be related to my issue20:26
povbotBug Release source code of "getbootstate"20:26
pupnikanybody have aplay (alsaplayer) binary for n900 lying around?20:26
jebbaZackMorris: vote for it.20:27
pupniki cannot get src packages atm20:27
ZackMorrisbecause I checked the filesystem and it is not full20:27
johnqOk, so is there ary progress on any PIM-data transfer between the N900 and a linux machine?20:27
jebbaZackMorris: though the bug talked about in #7019 isn't repeating reboots.20:27
johnqI mean, the contacts are evolution data and the calendar is sqlite, so it can't be that complicated...20:27
mgedminjohnq, I'm pessimistic about that20:27
ZackMorrisits about the source code that is related to it20:27
ZackMorrisi think20:27
jebbaa kernel with console shown would probably give more info, but it shoots by pretty quick.20:27
johnqand after all, the N900 is said to "support" syncml20:27
ZackMorrisyou're the reporter on it correct20:27
jebbaZackMorris: ah ya.20:27
ZackMorrisi did vote for it20:27
jebbacool :)20:28
redbug 666 is evil20:28
povbotBug Problems with Javascript setTimeout function20:28
johnqmgedmin: did you try anything or have you heard of anybody trying anything?20:28
ml-mobileZackMorris, jebba: I found that disabling off mode in /etc/pmconfig effectively resolved the issue for me20:28
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FIQbug 12320:28
povbotBug Dialogs will be transparent as soon as tiping on the top bar20:28
ZackMorrisml-mobile what are the steps to doing that?20:28
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ZackMorrishere is another weird thing, i've had the device on for quite a while20:28
mgedminjohnq, no20:28
ZackMorrisusually there is some battery drainage20:28
ZackMorristhe battery status bar is showing full20:29
ZackMorrisi am in rd mode20:29
jebbaZackMorris: read the last comment just added to the bug and describe *your* bug which is probably related to getbootstate too and say we can't debug *IT* cuz no codez20:29
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mgedminwell, I tried multisync and various other phone-pim-sync solutions, all failed with my Series 40 phones20:29
joppuTheme "Reflect" now in extras-testing. I encourage everyone to try it out!20:29
ml-mobileinstall rootsh and edit that file, then reboot20:29
mgedminfor lax values of "failed"20:29
mgedminI could make backups of my contacts20:29
johnqby the way, obex ftp works perfectly here20:29
mgedminbut merge them to something else? forget it20:29
mgedmincalendar? don't even think20:29
GAN900Hildon Home is crashing at least 2 dozen a day.20:30
mgedminit could be S40's fault20:30
jebbaml-mobile: cool thx :)  hadnt even looked at that file yet. Soooooo much still left to explore ;)20:30
mgedminGAN900, plugin20:30
mgedminisolate which one causes that, you'll be happier20:30
ml-mobileit's a workaround, will be waiting on a real fix from Nokia20:30
ZackMorrisok added comment20:30
jebbaZackMorris: cool thx  :)20:31
ml-mobileup to 1 day, 2h32m20:31
GAN900mgedmin, they're all stock Nokia ones.20:31
johnqmgedmin: backup of your contacts of the series 40 phone or of the n900?20:31
mgedminGAN900, interesting!20:31
mgedminmaybe try crash-reporter?20:32
mgedminjohnq, tried that, n900 gave up20:32
mgedminused my SIM card for transferring contacts20:32
ZackMorrisok installed rootsh20:32
mgedminput it back into the Nokia 6600 (the S40 phone), now my phone lists each contact twice20:32
ZackMorriswhats the command line to edit what you spoke of ml-mobile20:32
mgedminthe whole IT industry sucks20:32
johnqmgedmin: why didn't just copying the evolution file help?20:32
* mgedmin puts user-hat on20:33
mgedmincopying the whatnot?20:33
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mgedminalso, there's no evolution file on my nokia 660020:33
GAN900mgedmin, NITRO is the reason I know it's crashing.20:33
* mgedmin has to mention, for full disclosure reasons, that he's irritable when he's hungry or has a headache, which is a good description for the current state of affairs20:34
mgedminGAN900, what's NITRO?20:34
johnqmgedmin: syncml-obex-client -b xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx 10 --slow-sync text/x-vcard Contacts --wbxml \ --identifier "PC Suite" --dumpinfo --version 1.1 --useStringTable20:34
GAN900Eero's crahs reporter. :)20:34
johnqmgedmin: /home/usr/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db20:34
ZackMorrisml-mobile can you direct me to a bug report or thread where you've discussed this20:35
ml-mobileI think it was bug 633520:35
povbotBug Bluetooth network profiles (NAP, GN) not functional20:35
ml-mobilecan't check now20:36
jebbaZackMorris: check too20:36
povbotBug 6350: getbootstate bricks the device after 17 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them20:36
ZackMorrisml-mobile exactly what do you edit in pmconfig20:36
ZackMorrisyeah i've checked that bug a million times and nothing that has stopped the boots20:37
ml-mobilethe line that reads "enable_off_mode" I changed to zero20:37
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AndrewFBlacklcuk, no icon for liqtorch?20:39
ZackMorrissorry kinda a noob here what do i type into xterm20:39
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lcukAndrewFBlack, liqtorch has action shots for its screenshots20:39
lcukand, yeah theres an icon20:39
lcukits a sun20:39
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AndrewFBlackahh some applications the icons never show up until I reboot must be one of those times20:40
el_zilcho:) yeah, ther's not really much to show for the application interface20:40
el_zilchovery useful though20:40
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el_zilchoi've been playing with your liqflow a bit20:40
johnqah great, copying addressbook.db works20:40
el_zilchoits pretty funn to mess around with20:40
johnqat least from N900 to evoution20:41
lcukel_zilcho, yeah - app design is very minimalistic lol20:41
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lcukliqflow is cool20:41
HydroxideI'm sure this is a FAQ but I'm not sure where to look. rootsh tells me that the 'rootsh' command in the terminal is deprecated. where can I find the rationale behind this?20:41
lcukand its in extras now!20:41
lcuknow that phase is over i can pus hthe new changes aSIMULAter and I discussed20:41
lcukand make it even betterererere20:41
el_zilchoasimulator showed me the youtube vid and then i had to go get it20:41
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* lcuk nods20:41
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ZackMorrisok just tried typing edit /etc/pmconfig20:42
ZackMorrishaha my lack of skills is embarassing20:42
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jebbaZackMorris: btw, i'm kind of guessing your device is failing the fsck and just tries to do it over & over. Perhaps your flash is zhot20:42
el_zilchohey... noob question here... there's an /etc/cron.daily/  but there is seemingly no crontab for me to set up jobs on custom schedules... any insight?20:43
AndrewFBlacklcuk, what changes you making?20:43
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AndrewFBlacklcuk, putting some sheep on it?20:43
el_zilchoeven an app name would be adequate, i can do the rest from there20:43
el_zilchoi just can't figure out what is actually invoking the /etc/cron.daily/ stuff20:44
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lcukAndrewFBlack, :)20:44
lcuklots of changes20:44
Hydroxideel_zilcho: maybe try running crontab -e ?20:44
lcukel_zilcho, i dont think cron exists properly20:44
lcukit never used to, mightv been added20:44
anidellots of changes = rewrite = new fancy bugs :D20:44
lcukbut from memory its not there20:44
lcukanidel, not at all20:45
el_zilchothat's why i was confused20:45
lcukive already done all the variaitons20:45
lcukive got alpha blended ones, ive got a version which goes to 2000 particles20:45
lcukand ive done one with stars20:45
lcukhand drawn might i add20:45
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lcuki even did a sheep avoidance one20:46
lcukbut the algo needs more work20:46
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mavhcwhat would I need to get a 3g usb stick working with n810, software wise?20:48
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lcukAndrewFBlack, dont you think that shop says "Kathy" all over it20:49
AndrewFBlacklcuk, lol very much20:49
ZackMorrisjebba possiblly it was mentioned in that bug, any workarounds for the flash being shot?20:51
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ZackMorriswhy is permission denied to /etc/pmconfig20:52
ZackMorrisdo i need to sudo?20:52
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jebbayes to sudo20:52
jebbaif your flash is shot, well, it's shot.20:52
jebbathat's just speculation tho20:52
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ZackMorrisi did sudo gainroot20:53
ZackMorristhen entered rootsh /etc/pmconfig20:53
ZackMorrispermission deined20:53
ZackMorrisdenied even20:53
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HydroxideZackMorris: yeah, you need to give the name of an editor20:54
ml-mobileis your console showing a $ or #20:54
anidelZackMorris are you Chuck Norris in disguise?20:54
HydroxideZackMorris: for example, 'nano /etc/pmconfig'20:54
HydroxideZackMorris: after sudo gainroot20:54
HydroxideZackMorris: that serves the same purpose as the rootsh command20:54
ZackMorrisright now #20:54
Hydroxide(I'd still like someone to explain why the rootsh command is deprecated, but that's separate from helping ZackMorris )20:54
anidelyou can use 'id' to check if you are roor20:55
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Hydroxidehe's root. the problem is that he is trying to execute a config file instead of edit it20:55
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ZackMorrisgid=0 root20:56
anidelah ok didn't read so far20:56
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HydroxideZackMorris: try 'nano /etc/pmconfig'20:56
ZackMorrishmm like i said im fairly new to all this20:56
ZackMorrisit said /bin/sh : nano: not found20:57
Hydroxideoh... I'm not sure what user-friendly editors are there :)20:57
* Hydroxide is used to a UNIX-y editor20:57
ZackMorrisok let me get an editor i dont think i did that20:57
ZackMorrisi take it you reccommend nano20:57
Hydroxidewell that's one that would work in the terminal20:57
jebbaleafpad, you go that?20:57
jebbathat's easy editor20:57
Hydroxidejebba: does that work with files where you need to be root?20:58
jebbamuch smaller than VIM too    leafpad is gui.20:58
jebbasudo vim /etc/foo ya20:58
ZackMorrisgetting leafpad now20:58
jebbavi 20M, leafpad a few hundred k  ;)20:58
Hydroxidejebba: and leafpad works with files needing to be root?20:58
jebbaanidel: but do you recommend vi to a user about to edit a critical file as root for the first time?20:58
Hydroxideanidel: that's why I was suggesting nano - it's relatively user-friendly despite being in the terminal.20:58
anideland nano is easy?20:59
Hydroxideyes, relatively speaking20:59
ZackMorrisok leafpad opened up20:59
anideleheh to edit or add a line vi is pretty easy20:59
jebbaHydroxide:    sudo leafpad /etc/pmconfig         YES20:59
Hydroxidejebba: ok.20:59
jebbaZackMorris: you gotta run it like:    sudo leafpad /etc/pmconfig20:59
Hydroxidejebba: (though personally it scares me to run GUI code as root...)20:59
Laiskaexecpt how do you type insert on the N900 with vim?21:00
ZackMorrisgot it21:00
HydroxideLaiska: 'i'21:00
jebbaLaiska:  i21:00
jebbaleafpad is far more lightweight than vi too ;)21:00
anidelyou need to follow him anyway with nano21:00
anideland vi is there already21:00
anideljust tell him step by step...and it should be fine21:00
anideli don't think that CTRL-X ESC or whatever is easier than :x21:00
Nitialjebba: lightweight than vim probably.. plain vi is very light too21:01
Hydroxideanidel: for a one-time thing, maybe. for him becoming self-sufficient, nano is much quicker to learn. I'm not anti-vi; I use it myself. and stop confusing nano with emacs :)21:01
anideltrue about leafpad though21:01
anidelahahah ok :)21:01
ZackMorrisnothing happened21:01
loppearopenstreetmap is too sexy.21:01
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anidelwalking home  see ya later21:01
HydroxideZackMorris: if you want nano, you can install it with apt-get install nano as root. if you want to use leafpad, continue working with jebba21:03
* mece <3 nano21:04
HydroxideZackMorris: then just make your changes via nano, then press ctrl-x to exit, and allow it to save when it asks you to21:04
RST38hnano! nano!21:04
HydroxideZackMorris: the keyboard shortcuts are also shown on the screen21:04
jebbaZackMorris: what do you mean "nothing happened"  ? the editor didnt open?21:04
mecewhat version of nano is in the repo? I compiled mine myself from some svn21:04
Hydroxidemece: seems like 2.0.7-421:05
Hydroxidemece: no idea what the newest version is, but for simple config file editing any version will do21:05
mece2.2.0 here. Yay me!21:05
Hydroxidecool :)21:05
Hydroxideyeah, looks like fremantle has the same version as debian lenny21:05
Hydroxidedebian squeeze/sid have 2.2.0, but that's quite new of course21:06
RST38hOh shit, this new nano still crashes on Ctrl-W21:06
Hydroxides/ of course//21:06
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infobotHydroxide meant: debian squeeze/sid have 2.2.0, but that's quite new21:06
mecemine does not crash21:06
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meceon ctrlw-21:06
RST38htry again21:06
mecectrl-w is sweet21:06
ZackMorristhe editor didnt open21:06
Hydroxidejebba: are you still around to help ZackMorris with leafpad?21:06
RST38hmece: open the editor, press ctrl-w, type something, press enter21:07
RST38hand see it crash21:07
meceis anyone interested in mp3splt? Should I make an effort to get it into devel?21:07
ZackMorristhere is the cut and paste arrow on the right21:07
HydroxideRST38h: it crashes for me too, but he's using a different version21:07
ZackMorrisnote i can only use vw keyboard right now21:07
jebbaZackMorris: so you are just sitting at a command prompt with "sudo leafpad  /etc/pmconfig   " ?21:07
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ZackMorriscorrect jebba21:07
RST38hI am using 2.0.7 out of the repos21:07
Hydroxidejebba: sudo doesn't work by default with rootsh installed. maybe you installed sudser too?21:08
Hydroxidejebba: except for sudo gainroot aka root21:08
meceRST38h, ok. it crashed. interesting enough I used ctrl-w earlier today and it didn't crash...21:08
BluesLeehello, is there a working todo app for maemo 5?21:08
meceRST38h, oh wait.. it was in sb21:08
jebbaZackMorris: do this: ctrl-c,  then "sudo gainroot"  then "leafpad /etc/pmconfig"21:08
meceRST38h, annoying.21:08
jebba(I may have set up sudo custom)21:08
HydroxideBluesLee: I believe the built-in calendar app has it21:09
ZackMorrisanyway to do ctrl on the virtual keyboard21:09
HydroxideZackMorris: there's a physical keyboard Ctrl button too21:09
ZackMorrisif i hit ctrl on my physical, screen shuts down21:09
jebbadude, your system is just fucked if that is happening.21:09
HydroxideZackMorris: that totally shouldn't happen21:09
jebbayou should just send it back21:09
jebbai think you have a corrupt root file system that cannot be fixed hence it just fscks itself over & over and eventually bricks.21:10
BluesLeeHydroxide: thats true but it isnt very useful when activating the calendar applet it shows the calendar entries prior so that the the todos arent shown21:10
Hydroxidejebba: did he try flashing it? I missed the answer but that would replace a corrupt fs21:10
ZackMorrisyeah i did flash21:11
jebbaHydroxide: yes he has iirc21:11
ZackMorrismultiple times21:11
ZackMorrisboth us and global versions21:11
ZackMorrisunable to flash eMMC21:11
jebbalike broken flash chip or something21:11
HydroxideBluesLee: ah. I haven't tried to use it for todo myself. check the repositories... sorry21:11
HydroxideZackMorris: yeah, I agree with jebba then. send it back for warranty repair21:11
BluesLeei also tried the other ones from testing and devel, gpe-todo crashs, ztodo does nothing:-)21:11
ZackMorrisi dont understand because the device was working 100% fine for a week, had issues with the charger, then that21:11
BluesLeeHydroxide: no problem21:11
ZackMorrisi work for pcmall21:11
ZackMorrisi bought it from pcmall21:12
BluesLeedo we have an offline wikipedia reader?21:12
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ZackMorrispcmall has no stock21:12
HydroxideZackMorris: the normal nokia manufacturer's warranty should still apply, yes?21:12
jebbaBluesLee: no, but i have built one before.21:12
BluesLeejebba: which one?21:12
jebbaa very small one though of just 2000 articles or someting21:12
jebbai built it for eee, not n90021:13
jebbadid have graphics though.21:13
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jebbabased on xulrunner21:13
BluesLeejebba: okay, this one is also very nice
BluesLeejebba: it uses the squashfs and integrates gps21:14
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BluesLeejebba: i used it on my freerunner21:14
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BluesLeejebba: it uses midori as a default browser but any other should also do the job21:15
Stskeepshmm, didn't someone make a script that exports n900 gps over bluetooth?21:15
jebbaBluesLee: wow cool. I'll immediately dive into that.21:16
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BluesLeejebba: as i see the link to the sources is broken21:16
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BluesLeejebba: i will ask the author for the sources21:17
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ZackMorrisyeah looks like this is going to have to go back21:18
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jebbaBluesLee:  git clone git://   is working for me21:19
HydroxideZackMorris: sorry to hear it but it's better than living with a broken device for its lifetime. you'll still get a fixed one back21:19
BluesLeejebba: ahh, okay21:19
ZackMorrisyeah its true21:19
ZackMorrisweird thing too Jebba when I take out battery put in usb, put back in battery, it reboots in usb mode, then the usb logo disappears and it goes to the baloons and then boom starts all over again21:20
jebbaya, goes to balloons, tries fsck, fails21:21
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ZackMorrisfsck has nothing to do wtih eMMC correct21:21
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jebbafsck checks your filesystem. If your flash is busted your fsck will fail and reboot.21:22
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eluiandilHi! I'm young developer for maemo. I need your help.* And I don't khow English well =((*21:24
eluiandilDoes Maemo kernel supports "kernel markers" and how I can prove it?21:26
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pupniki can not work on projects without being able to download -devel packages into sbox vm21:27
jebbaBluesLee: evopedia uses squashfs which is not in maemo kernel   (squashfs is out-of-tree for 2.6.28)21:27
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jebbaso that's a read show-stopper. And the git archive doesn't have a single README or any docs of a any sort....21:28
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jebbaeluiandil: do you know what the .config option is for kernel markers?21:28
* timeless_mbp pokes people21:29
timeless_mbpanyone wanna try a package?21:29
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jebbathey do have dumps though already which is nice:
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jebbatimeless_mbp: what package? ...21:30
BluesLeejebba: that shoudnt be hard to add readme etc i would contact the author but i was not aware of the fact that the kernel on the n900 was <=2.6.2921:30
eluiandiljebba: where i can read about it?21:31
timeless_mbpjebba: maemo-splash21:31
jopputimeless_mbp: btw, Reflect is now in testing, with conversations fixed.21:32
jebbaeluiandil: do you know what the .config name,  like  EXT2=y   is for kernel markers? I can check for it if you want, but i dont know the name offhand21:32
jebbaBluesLee: ya, not just 2.6.28, also that the module isn't built in by default of course makes it more problematic.  I also launched the python app and got nothing, but that doesn't mean toooooo much.21:33
jebba apt-cache search maemo-splash     nada21:33
BluesLeejebba: on my zaurus i used zbedic for offline wikipedia which is also available for the older nxxx models or not?21:35
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eluiandiljebba: Ohh... When I can read about kernel markers? I want to do this by myself21:38
timeless_mbpjoppu: you need to fix the sim entry dialog21:39
jebbaeluiandil: check kernelnewbies.org21:39
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eluiandiljebba: thanx)21:39
jebbaBluesLee: no idea about either, but will investigate if you point me to them21:40
pupnikanybody got synergy built for n900?21:40
jopputimeless_mbp: there's currently nothing I can do. And it's not a major bug, is it?21:41
timeless_mbpwell, there are two bugs:21:41
siriusnovaso any word on any forthcoming nokia patches?21:41
timeless_mbp1. last i checked you had an [x] at the top right corner, where normal themes have no such thing21:41
siriusnovafor the N900?21:41
timeless_mbp2. until i enter enough numbers, the login button is flat (text color = background color)21:42
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timeless_mbpsiriusnova: it's a secret21:42
timeless_mbpeven the managers at nokia don't know :)21:42
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siriusnovathe n900 in its current form is really buggy21:42
siriusnovatons of rebooting, portrait mode doesnt work21:42
timeless_mbpHello Early Adopter21:42
siriusnovaI know21:42
timeless_mbpdoesn't work?21:42
Robot101there will be some updates. probably. sit tight. :)21:43
siriusnovayeah when you use the dialer in portrait mode it pops up the keyboard21:43
timeless_mbpportrait mode exists for what, Call UI and perhaps Image Viewer21:43
siriusnovaand i have to deselect it21:43
siriusnovain settings21:43
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siriusnovathats kind of dumb21:43
toggles_2ltimeless_mbp: lol21:43
jopputimeless_mbp: well, then give it a thumbs down, even though there's nothing I can do :P21:43
redeemansiriusnova: i've had no reboots?21:44
siriusnovaive had a few21:44
ml-mobileredeeman: it's not a universal problem21:44
* ml-mobile had them constantly until yesterday21:44
timeless_mbpsiriusnova: ctrl-shift-p lets you create screen shots21:45
timeless_mbpcan you make one of this keyboard?21:45
siriusnovaits in settings21:45
siriusnovadisplay settings i think21:45
siriusnovaor something21:45
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jebbaseems like n900fly updates 7 times today21:51
tcarl|workIs it possible to change to a dvorak keymap on the N900?21:51
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mecebefore I destructomogrify something, is it safe to move the baseq3 directory to ~/MyDocs/Q3/baseq3 and ln it from ~/baseq3 ? the pk3 files are so bloody big..21:53
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