IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-12-16

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Milo-really need to learn how this machine creates and handles alarms00:00
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Milo-the alarm clock's lack of cabability in planning ahead bothers me00:01
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jiajiado u think there will be a phone better than n900 in one year00:08
AakashPatelAlways00:08
jebbaMilo-: check here to see how to make calls from command line:   http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba   dbus section00:08
AakashPateljiajia: of course betting things will come out :P00:08
jiajiaAakashPatel: but i make a two years contract that i can't change between it00:09
AbstractWThen buy an unlocked one.00:09
AakashPatelYeah00:09
AakashPatelThats what i always do00:10
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jiajiamine is unlocked , i just need to pay seperately00:10
jiajiai think this phone would be good for me in two years00:10
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Milo-jebba awesome :D00:10
Milo-thanks :D00:10
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Milo-jiajia well, this phone isn't perfect00:11
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Milo-I have had it for one day and I've found lots of things that needs improving00:12
Milo-difference between this and symbian phones how ever is, that you are able to do something about these issues now00:12
Milo-unlike with symbian :)00:12
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jiajiayou are right00:12
jebbathis fone is a world unto itself  :)00:12
jiajiait is not perfect yet00:12
lcukjiajia, yes i think there will be a phone better than the n900 in a year00:13
lcukthe n900 will be better then than it is now00:13
returnthis lcuk: I have disconnected all internet access, made several phone calls and no issues with bt headset at all00:13
Milo-oh dear, -testing branch has openttd! :D00:14
returnthisso I will try again with wifi on00:14
jiajiai really hope so, but anyway i just love the linux termnal00:14
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lcukreturnthis, then do you fancy trying it now with wifi - that way you have some test data to either extend the bug report, or file a new one with00:14
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* lcuk never has problems with calls00:15
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ifreqis there any way to update contact data on phone via mac osx?00:16
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ifreqneed to add huge load of email addr /msn etc to contacts00:16
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nezbanyone have suggestions for the best N900 screen protector?00:20
timeless_mbpifreq: update or import?00:20
therocknezb: well dont buy the one from protection films00:20
therockits no matt in the cover00:21
ifreqtimeless_mbp: update00:21
lcuknezb, common sense and a clean room environment00:21
timeless_mbphttp://www.apple.com/pro/tips/sharing_vcards.html00:21
AbstractWEarlier, this was suggested: https://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php00:22
timeless_mbpunlike outlook, we support multiple cards per file00:22
timeless_mbpmerging is um, ... dunno00:22
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nezbAbstractW: can you attest to their quality?00:22
ifreqhmm ok thanks00:22
timeless_mbpyou can try exporting your entire db from the n900, importing to addressbook, merging there, and then deleting everything from your n900 and importing an export from addressbook :)00:22
AbstractWNot yet, I ordered it though, on the recommendation of someone else in here.00:22
nezbAbstractW: hmm, alright. hopefully it turns out good. did you get the full or just the screen sheet?00:23
ifreqtimeless_mbp: yeh guess so :)00:23
AbstractWfull.00:23
nezbAbstractW: direct from them or through a reseller like Amazon?00:24
AbstractWdirect00:24
Milo-cool, GPE Calendar > nokia calendar :)00:24
jon1012is there a list of "ok to use" extras-devel apps ?00:24
nezbAbstractW: thanks for the info :)00:24
AbstractWMy phone should get here on friday, and so should my shield.00:24
nezbAbstractW: cool. congrats!00:25
jon1012(for n900 by the way)00:25
AbstractWYeah, amazon has a $550 N900, with a $50 rebate currently.00:25
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AbstractWnezb: Their guarantee is pretty good, actually.00:26
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nezbAbstractW: so it seems. it better be good for $25!00:26
AbstractWI hope so.00:26
ifreqtimeless_mbp: seems http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/isync supports n900 too00:27
ifreqgoing to test now00:27
nezbifreq: Sweet! Been waiting for that00:27
timeless_mbpinteresting00:27
jon1012(fyi, the insurance I pay for my n900 is 16 euros monthly here in france)00:27
AbstractWholy crap, thats expensive.00:27
timeless_mbpifreq: eh?00:27
timeless_mbpsearch doesn't list it00:27
g^Perhaps somebody can help me with n900 & active sync. Our company uses lotus inotes that is "mail for exchange" compatible and I quess everything would work ok, except that the 'server' prompt does not allow to enter /lotus/traveler after the server name. Now, does anyone have any idea to which config file these settings are saved?00:28
Milo-aw, GPE can't import from maemo calendar00:29
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Milo-what a pity :(00:29
SpeedEvilAbstractW: how much do you pay?00:29
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SpeedEvilI've been looking at accidental damage cover - it's ~70euro/year in the UK00:29
redanyone know if we are getting a pc suite version which can handle sending sms via phone?00:30
redthe n900 that is00:30
AbstractWSpeedEvil: I don't have insurance. I'm in the US, and purchased an unlocked phone directly.00:30
nezbCoupon Code for ZAGG screen protector PROTECT20 (20% off)00:31
AbstractWBut, for me it was $4/mo for accidental damage cover on my iphone through ATT00:31
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AbstractWnezb: Damnit, I should have used that :P00:31
therocki pay 5euro for damage and lost00:31
SpeedEvilAbstractW: that covers you for expensive phones?00:31
SpeedEvilAbstractW: oh00:31
nezbAbstractW: can you have them adjust your order?00:32
AbstractWnezb: I doubt it, seems to have already been charged.00:32
KlownerAbstractW: there was  a 50% thing yesterday :(00:32
AbstractWheh.00:32
nezb50%?00:32
Klownerat zagg, ya00:32
ifreqtimeless_mbp: yeah it doesnt, misread.. ffs.00:32
jon1012(is the flashlight app safe ?)00:33
ifreqi can drop vcards thats for sure.. but no real syncs00:33
SpeedEviljon1012: yes.00:33
SpeedEviljon1012: it is safe to run the LEDs at low power forever00:33
nezbKlowner: was there a promo code?00:33
SpeedEviljon1012: It is considerably dimmer than the flash.00:33
jon1012ok00:33
AbstractWI'm just looking forward to real rsync.00:33
jon1012and flashlight use that dimmer level ?00:33
Klownernezb: nope, just everything 50% off00:34
crashanddiejon1012: that's a lot of insurance00:34
nezbKlowner: darn. oh well, $20 + $3 shipping isn't that bad...00:34
SpeedEviljon1012: yes - as I understand it00:34
crashanddiejon1012: if you pay that insurance for 2 years you'll have paid for half the phone extra00:34
jon1012crashanddie: I know :(00:34
Klownernezb: ya, not too bad00:34
crashanddiejon1012: en d'autres termes: tu te fais arnaquer mon cochon ;)00:34
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: are you likely to drop it in a toilet forex.00:35
jon1012crashanddie: in france the phone is 650 euros00:35
nezbstill a rip if you consider it is a piece of plastic ...00:35
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: I would have said I was normally very careful with phones, but today I threw the n900 across the room.00:35
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: slippery case, and cold fingers.00:35
crashanddienezb: you pay $2 for a bottle of plastic filled with brown water -- which recipe hasn't changed in the past 150 years00:35
nezbcrashanddie: but that tastes so delicious! I love Dr.Pepper00:36
lcukSpeedEvil, self adhesic rubber patch on the back is useful in that scenario00:36
SpeedEvillcuk: yes, that scenario.00:36
crashanddieSpeedEvil: I have a better solution00:36
SpeedEvillcuk: not others.00:36
lcukwiimote straps00:36
SpeedEvillcuk: wouldn't have helped at all - I was picking it up00:37
lcukpadded cell00:37
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crashanddieSpeedEvil: if you throw things around as you try to pick them up, I think you need to go on an anger-management course00:37
crashanddie:P00:37
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lcukprevent both problems00:37
KlownerI wonder if I can watch tv on my n90000:38
crashanddieoh there's my... FOR FUCK'S SAKE AAAAAAARRRGGHHHH00:38
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b0unc3hey guys, which is the right substitute of hildon_font_selection_dialog_new() (the api doc said it's deprecated now) ?00:38
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: It slipped out of my hands - and I tried to catch it the wrong way.00:38
SpeedEvillcuk: I would like a padded cell - if it was nice and insulated00:38
crashanddieKlowner: as long as you can stream tv to the N900, sure00:38
lcukit comes with a special overcoat too!00:38
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crashanddiehow do you handle the keyboard opening?00:39
lcuka uniform so to speak00:39
Klownercrashanddie: ya, except it's HD, I suspect 1920x1080 might make it explode. Worth trying though, if I can figure out how00:39
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crashanddielorelei^_: why does a guy have a woman's name as nickname?00:40
crashanddieKlowner: apply a tenfold filter, should do fine then00:41
AakashPatelhmm i have an H.264 MP4 video00:41
AakashPateland its not playin on the device :/00:41
AakashPatelany ideas?00:41
worlukcould anyone point me to a better suited channel (unless someone can help me here :) )? Got an N900 some days ago, and im only getting a dark nokia logo, with short vibration in long intervals00:41
crashanddieAakashPatel: our balls ain't made out of crystal?00:41
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crashanddieworluk: have you tried leaving it plugged in to the charger for some time?00:42
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nezbworluk: I get that sometimes when I leave it plugged into the charger00:42
AakashPatelcrashanddie: lol well it was playin on my comp00:42
AakashPatelso i didnt know if it was the vid or something else00:42
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crashanddieAakashPatel: can my pet have a disease?00:42
worlukyeah, but it is supposed to vibrate, and switch the status light on and off each time it vibrates during loading?00:43
crashanddieworluk: actually, when you turn it on it does exactly that00:43
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crashanddieworluk: it just doesn't do it multiple times at a time -- just once00:43
worlukwell, once, yea, but it doesnt stop00:43
AakashPatelssure why not00:43
nezbDell has the N900 for $55000:43
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crashanddieAakashPatel: give us more details, do you get an error message? What info do you get from mplayer? What exact codec are you using? How big is the file? etc, etc00:44
henningmsDoes the USB charging work properly? I had it in for a long time, it said it was charging but then it just died :) hehe00:44
henningmsN900*00:45
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pupnikcrashanddie is someone who knows about most of the cool tech on the planet00:45
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pupnikpeople are only like that at 2200:46
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AakashPatellol00:46
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crashanddiepupnik: actually, I'm not 22 ;)00:46
ifreqhenningms: should work ok00:46
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AakashPatelcrashanddie: Its 800MB's and it says Unable to play media, Media Format not supported00:47
worlukhm, when i hold the power button, the status light fades in white...00:47
pupniki make a joke00:47
worlukand the screen lights up with the logo00:48
pupnikthank you, worluk00:48
crashanddieworluk: yeah, it works better when you turn it on00:48
ifreqAakashPatel: tested with mplayer too?00:48
crashanddiepupnik: I'm 23 :)00:48
worlukwell, it goes dark after a while again00:48
crashanddieworluk: yeah, seems like your battery is drained00:48
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worlukhm, ok, then i guess i will leave it plugged for a while, but the vibrating puzzles me00:49
AakashPatelIdk what codec its using00:50
AakashPatel(how do i check?)00:50
worlukand i was under the impression that the status light is supposed to blink during loading00:50
crashanddieAakashPatel: use mplayer, 3rd time we're asking you00:50
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crashanddieworluk: leave it for another hour or two, if it still toasts like that, ask again -- you might have a faulty unit00:50
Arkenoifunny enough,it seems that almost no one says that n900 size is "just ok". About half of the people complain that it is too big and another half (including me) say it is too small ;-)00:50
worlukdont say that :/00:50
worluk;)00:50
worlukwill do00:51
worlukty00:51
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AakashPatel:P you didnt ask me to use mplayer00:51
crashanddieAakashPatel: yes, we did00:51
crashanddie<crashanddie> AakashPatel: give us more details, do you get an error message? What info do you get from mplayer <ifreq> AakashPatel: tested with mplayer too?00:51
AakashPatelOh :P i didnt see that second part00:52
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AakashPatelwhat repo is mplayer in00:52
crashanddiethen at least apologise to ifreq, you completely ignored him :(00:52
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AakashPatelifreq: i'm terribly sorry ifreq :)00:52
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crashanddiethank you :)00:52
crashanddiedunno which repo mplayer is in00:53
AakashPateleh i just enabled devel00:53
AakashPatelstill loading00:53
AakashPatelyea its in here00:53
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AakashPatelinstallling00:54
SpeedEvilWhat's the name of the screen brightness applet - I'm blanking.00:54
SpeedEvilAnd I can'f find it in the app-list00:54
* frals just got cockblocked by the fire department00:54
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fralsim in my boxers on the couch, all of a sudden the fire department rings the door bell "excuse me madame, you dont happen to have a fire going are you?"... im in my gfs apartment00:55
redArkenoi: I'll say the n900 size is just ok, but the unlock slider, volume button and off button are too small :p00:55
AakashPateloh god thi video plays slow in mplayer00:55
redthey should be proportionally bulky as the device itself hehe00:55
redfrals: they called you a madame thru the door or after seeing you on ur boxers?00:56
fralsthey called my gf that ;)00:56
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redoh, i was ready to tell you to work on your manboobs :>00:56
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jon1012ugh... I had no space left on root partition, and I moved /usr/share to /home/share and did a link so the files where accessible on the other part...00:57
jon1012the device rebooted and doesn't want to boot again00:57
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jon1012anyone knows what I could do to recover from that ?00:58
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fralsred: my manboobs are fine thank you very much :D00:58
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jon1012in case someone who was in the netsplit can help :00:59
jon1012ugh... I had no space left on root partition, and I moved /usr/share to /home/share and did a link so the files where accessible on the other part... the device rebooted and doesn't want to boot again. anyone knows what I could do to recover from that ?00:59
RolaBladeHi... anyone here know how or where I can find information on how to install maemo sdk on Arch Linux? Thanks01:00
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SpeedEvilWith falsies on?01:05
SpeedEviloh - to her.01:05
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jebbajon1012: nothing comes to mind apart from flashing it. hmm01:10
jon1012:(01:10
jon1012why on earth did they do such a small root partition ? :(01:10
jon1012everyone in forums tell to move folders to home and do links to them01:10
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ifreqi wouldnt :-P01:11
n900ev1l / is on a fast 256m device01:11
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jon1012I guess I'll have to flash :(01:12
Milo-ehm what..01:12
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Milo-root is already full ._·01:13
jebbaMilo-: it fills up quickly if you install lots from -testing or -devel01:13
jon1012Milo-: my root was full so I moved thins in home and did links01:13
jon1012things*01:13
Milo-jebba apparently so :P01:13
jon1012then... reboot and no way the device could boot again01:14
Milo-only downloaded two packages from testing01:14
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FIReunanyone know why the maemo python doesnt like "from xml.sax.handler import ContentHandler"01:14
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jon1012if I flash will it erase MyDocs partition ?01:15
jebbajon1012: although that does sound like something that should be possible. Perhaps you set up the symlink wrong (?) or something from /usr/share is needed early in the boot before mounting your homedir01:15
jebbajon1012: flash does not erase /home/user  just erases the 256M partition01:15
jon1012ok01:15
jon1012cool01:15
ifreqi wouldnt go for symlinking.. fatal :P01:15
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jebba /opt is  a symlink too...01:15
Milo-so hmm01:16
jon1012flashed...01:16
ifreqopt is prob not needed on boot01:16
Milo-why is / so small :o01:16
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Milo-oh well, some minor fstabbing :)01:17
jebbaMilo-: due to having to do a flash recovery if things go to hell01:17
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Milo-jebba but still.. 512 would have been nice :P01:18
ifreqMilo-: nothing shouldnt be installed under root directly anyways01:18
SpeedEvil256 or 512 is irrelevant01:18
SpeedEvilthe right solution would be to install all apps on the 2G01:18
Milo-well package manager installs everything under root :P01:18
SpeedEviland set it up so that worked from day 001:18
ifreqMilo-: lies01:18
* jon1012 curses himself for not having done save often01:18
jebbaya.  apparently 512M ones weren't available in volume either (so i heard here)01:19
Milo-ifreq ._·01:19
wolf^anyone knows why nokia didn't used small root + big /usr instead of using opt?01:19
SpeedEvilyou're going to put a 32G / in01:19
SpeedEvil /mmc in01:19
jebbawolf^: for reasons of flash recovery AFAICT01:19
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SpeedEvila 512 vs 256 flash is just extra cost01:19
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Milo-hmm so is there a way of making all the packages to install in home rather than / ?01:24
cehtehsearch the wiki/docs for 'optify'01:25
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jon1012ok guys good night :)01:27
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oscillikjust wanted to say hi, and that i'll (hopefully) be a first time Maemo user in about a week - just in time for Christmas!01:41
ifreqlets keep thumbs up then01:41
jebbaMilo-: the official answer is that apps should install to /opt, and if they don't they are broken (except for key OS applications)01:41
oscillikthanks :)01:41
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Milo-jebba can't /usr/share be moved to /opt and then just create a symbolic link to /usr/share?01:43
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jebbayou can try it  ;)01:43
ifreqhttp://gizmodo.com/5346818/nokia-n900-maemo-is-a-phone-makes-the-n97-look-silly  can someone go to 0:24 on video and tell me what app/shortcuts are made to desktop?01:44
Milo-or I can bind it with mount01:44
Milo-or manually link some biggies01:45
Milo-like ovi maps01:45
oscillikifreq: Web / Media Player / Calendar / Photos / Contacts / Phone / Maps / Camera / E-Mail / Conversations /Clock / Calculator / App Manager / Settings / Applications01:46
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ifreqoscillik: looking on the right spot aye? :P01:46
ifreqwas interested about the spot where guy had friends faces on the desktop..01:47
SpeedEvilifreq: why?01:47
SpeedEvilyou can do that with contact01:47
SpeedEvils01:47
oscillikyou said apps on the desktop, that's at 0:2201:47
oscillikat 0:24, there is a bookmarks screen from the web browser01:47
ifreqSpeedEvil: yeh that i wanted to know thanks01:47
ifreqoscillik: ok wasnt on mine :P01:47
ifreqor well.. it just changed01:47
ifreqon the 0:2401:47
oscillikifreq: weird, we're both watching the same video :-/01:47
ifreqon 0:25 it changes to another screen01:48
SpeedEvilifreq: contacts app, select a contact -> add shortcut -> add to desktop01:48
ifreqSpeedEvil: yeah thanks. thats useful for me01:48
SpeedEvilifreq: then you can drag it into the right place later on the desktop manager01:48
ifreqyeh yeh01:48
SpeedEvilyou need to set a pic of course01:48
ifreqbtw anyone ported conky yet? :)01:49
ifreqyes01:49
ifreqbeen updating my friends pics lately.. :)01:49
oscilliki wouldn't like to run conky on my N900 - will eat battery power01:49
SpeedEvilhttp://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=2312101:50
SpeedEvilifreq:01:50
ifreqyes going there sir01:50
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shakkazombieis there a way to run a single command as root like rootsh traceroute google.com?01:51
shakkazombiedont want to/cant use sudo gainroot in this instance01:51
AakashPatelroot maybe?01:52
wolf^shakkazombie, edit /etc/sudoers?01:52
shakkazombiethats like gainroot01:52
shakkazombieoh crap, sudoers01:52
oscillikquick question for those who have an N900 - is the keyboard backlit, like on the E90?01:52
SpeedEvilThe 'running out of battery' noise is like a depressed owl?01:52
SpeedEviloscillik: backlit01:52
AakashPatelWhat does rootsh do to make root possible w/o R&D mode/01:52
SpeedEviloscillik: dunno if like01:53
SpeedEviloscillik: all the letters illuminate01:53
oscillikSpeedEvil: awesome :) i was hoping it would be backlit, thanks for clarifying01:53
shakkazombiethanks wolf^ didnt think of that, completely slipped my mind01:53
SpeedEviloscillik: works well in the absolute dark, or anywhere between01:53
SpeedEvilto sun01:53
oscillikmust say, after being a Psion user, Symbian user, and Android user, i'm faily excited to get my hands on this01:54
oscilliki'll still use my Psion though :p01:54
oscillikgot rid of my ADP1 months and months ago01:54
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SpeedEvilhmm. xchat on a busy channel - with it locked on 3G - it's making noises at me to indicate it's nearly out - after only 1h from 30% bat01:55
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oscillikfrom my experience using IRC clients on both my Noka E90 and my ADP1 when i had it, IRC does tend to eat battery while connected by 3G01:56
oscillik*Nokia01:56
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SpeedEviltrying to find 'worst case's01:59
SpeedEvilother than obvious.01:59
SpeedEvil(bright screen playing a movie over 3g say01:59
SpeedEvilwith flash01:59
eitreachAre there any interesting repositories available, other than the extras-testing and extras-devel?02:00
redthats a recipe for disaster02:00
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SpeedEvildisaster at a low level.02:01
SpeedEvilworst-case you reflash02:01
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redfor batterylife i ment02:05
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pupnikeitreach: thank cthulhu, no02:09
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pupniki think we could do voice control02:10
pupniklimited dictionary, no continuous speech02:10
SpeedEvilah02:11
redid very much like voice control for initiating phonecalls02:11
redand/or starting phonecalles in "speaker" state02:11
redlike hold camera button when camera lid is closed and say speaker + contactname02:11
AakashPatelHow do i tether this thing to my mac02:11
pupniki have a great book on practical neural netowks for precisely this02:12
redAakashPatel: plug it with usb cable and set pc suite mode first02:12
AakashPatelOkay02:12
redhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=42788602:12
pupnikbut the only fuckers who have money to blow on this is the US military02:12
redthen go to step 3 and continue02:12
pupnikheh02:13
red:D02:13
redperhaps they would contribute!02:13
pupniki know potheads who got DoD money for their whallucinations02:14
ifreqhttp://www.lcarscom.net/sounds.htm <-- for some system sounds :)02:17
ifreqstill waiting lcars from past 770 to be ported on n90002:17
ifreq(mayb daydreaming only)02:17
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oscillikifreq: the N900 doesn't support standard .wav or .mp3 files for system audio sounds?02:18
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ifreqoscillik: sure about it?02:21
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oscillikifreq: you've confused me. i asked you a question, but you answered with an ambiguous question02:21
ifreqoscillik: seems i can add atleast mp3s to sms etc..02:21
ifreqoscillik: yeh well i was allready quite sure it supports02:22
pupnikany geerman n900 users here?02:22
ifreqso you made me unsure :P02:22
ifreqanyways checked, atleast mp3s work02:22
oscillikoh right, it's just that you said that you hoped that the lcars sounds from 770 to be ported to the N90002:22
ifreqnope, the lcars theme/desktop02:22
oscilliksurely if the sounds are originally wav or MP3 files, you wouldn't need to have sounds ported02:22
oscillikahhh02:23
oscilliki see02:23
oscilliksorry for the confusion02:23
AakashPatelheh02:23
AakashPatelwhen i enter the info on the computer for tethering02:23
ifreq:) np mayb my bad choise of words02:23
AakashPatelthe connect button gets greyed out02:23
AakashPatelso i cant click it >.<02:23
Sir_Lancelothi guys02:23
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Sir_Lancelotbesides maemo.org, where can  find software for the n900 (also besides Ovi Store)02:23
Sir_Lancelot?02:23
AakashPatelThe Ovi Store is live?02:24
luke-jrSir_Lancelot: probably nowhere02:24
Sir_Lancelotsh*t  :(02:24
Sir_Lancelotare you sure?02:24
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ifreqfrom <insert random dev site here>02:24
AakashPatelSir_Lancelot: why do you ask?02:25
Sir_Lancelotbecause, apps arenever too much02:25
Sir_Lancelotand the repos that I have are quite limited...02:25
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AakashPatelwhy would they have the app manager thing, if theyre gonna have ovi store soon?02:26
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jshupeI just got off the phone with Amazon, even though their website says my phone will ship tomorrow they claim "to have no idea when the item will be in". :/02:26
andre__AakashPatel, because Ovi Store is for commercial apps, while App Manager is for community apps (that are for free)02:27
AakashPatelah02:27
andre__Sir_Lancelot: there is the Extras repository (by default enabled in App Manager), and there are repositories for unstable and risky apps that might need more testing. If you like to live on the edge you can enable Extras-testing and Extras-devel, but applications may drain your battery and other bad things02:28
andre__you've ben warned :)02:28
Sir_Lancelot:)02:29
Sir_Lancelotthanks\02:29
Sir_LancelotI have it already ;)02:29
Elerionmy rootfs on n900 is totally full and i can not even do dpkg -P. what can i do to free some space?02:29
ifreqhttp://dindinx.net/hotbabe/download.php <-- any idea can hotbabe be ported to maemo easily(not a coder or dev so no clue myself)02:30
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ifreqElerion: uninstall some apps via app manager, dont install so much stuff from testing/devel as they prob will fill up your root disk.02:30
Elerionifreq: tried... it fails02:31
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AakashPatelHm, who here has tethered with mac02:31
reddidnt that thread work for u02:32
AakashPatelNo, for some reason the "Connect" button keeps getting greyed out as soon as i enter the *99# stuff02:33
red:/02:33
redperhaps register and post a question02:33
AakashPateleh i should02:34
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timeless_mbpsp3000: speaking of fun map points02:35
timeless_mbpsaana, yemen is in the news02:35
timeless_mbpthere's a civil war there02:35
timeless_mbpmaybe someday nokia will be able to find it on a map..02:35
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andre__Elerion, delete User manuals02:36
Elerionwhere are they?02:36
andre__for reference, this is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545002:36
povbotBug 5450: Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space02:36
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andre__Elerion, More > File Manager > Nokia N 900 > Documents > User Guides02:36
andre__hmm. they are smaller than I thought :-/02:37
jebbaOK, well, now that i have a console on my device at boot, at least I know what it's doing when it hangs on boot with the dots like:    *  (*)  *  *  *02:37
jebbaMALF02:37
andre__Elerion, and "maemo_software_copyright.pdf" is 285kB. hmm. :-/02:37
Elerionguides are not under rootfs02:38
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GAN900andre__, how did bugday go?02:46
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andre__GAN900, still running :)02:47
andre__quite nice, but haven't seen much new people. should probably have a topic next time02:48
andre__as "do what you want and ask if there's questions" is probably a bit overwhelming :)02:48
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GAN900andre__, isn't there a #maemp-bugs?02:49
GAN900Oh, crap02:49
GAN900No wonder.02:49
FIReuninstalled maemo-control on my n770 running 2008he - trying the control panel "usb networking" applet, it says "USB mode is not writable"02:49
GAN900Typo fail02:50
FIReuna cursory google search finds nothing, any suggestions?02:50
GAN900andre__, a proper agenda couldn't hurt.02:50
andre__GAN900, yeah. next time :)02:50
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* GAN900 is running a new user test program with his DDP device.02:55
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SpeedEvil?02:56
SpeedEvilwhat's that02:56
reddeveloper device thingy?02:57
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SpeedEvilnew user test program02:58
DocScrutinizer51no test on this user02:58
GAN900SpeedEvil, finding new users and having them test the N90002:59
SpeedEvilah02:59
* SpeedEvil wonders how many the average is before someone runs off with it.02:59
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SpeedEvilGAN900: What percentage of them read the on-device-manual? 80%, 90%?03:00
DocScrutinizer51so no new user here anyway. phooo... safe03:00
GAN900SpeedEvil, so far? Zero.03:00
SpeedEvilShocking.03:00
SpeedEvil:)03:00
GAN900SpeedEvil, people I know, by the way. ;)03:00
* DocScrutinizer51 thinks manual is quite hard to find03:01
GAN900It's in the box.03:01
DocScrutinizer51duh THAT flyer03:02
DocScrutinizer51thought you talk about the thing in myDocs03:02
GAN900They're the same. :P03:03
SpeedEvilI did03:03
SpeedEvilthey aren't03:03
SpeedEvilhahahahaahhahahaha03:03
DocScrutinizer51definitely different03:03
* SpeedEvil notes that GAN900 diddn't read the manual.03:03
* SpeedEvil sighs.03:03
GAN900SpeedEvil, did, actually. :)03:04
GAN900Filled about a dozen bugs on it, too. :)03:04
lcuki had a read through the gettign started tonight03:04
SpeedEvilif you think that, and the thing in the box is identical, you diddn't03:04
SpeedEvilthe getting started03:04
GAN900Only glanced at the one in the box, though.03:04
SpeedEviloh - right03:04
GAN900Said "User Manual" on the first page.03:04
SpeedEvilthe thing in the box - for example - doesn't mention the default lock code03:04
Arkenoifinding pdf manual is described in the paper booklet you get with the phone03:05
Arkenoii don't see any problem with it03:05
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: nah GAN900 never had a look at the paper ;-D03:05
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SpeedEvilArkenoi: yes - as is the 'getting started' video03:05
SpeedEvilArkenoi: and the getting started video - if you watch it without internet - when you come to the end, and click 'view more guides' - gives you a blank web browser03:05
SpeedEvilI assumed - not unreasonably - at that point - that there wasn't any more guides.03:05
GAN900SpeedEvil, have you filed any bugs? :)03:06
SpeedEvilyes, on that issue03:06
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SpeedEviland on some others03:06
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DocScrutinizer51anybody toss me a short instruction how to talk AT to modem? which tty, which prog to use?03:13
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Mouseyminicom03:15
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rlinfatii request a invitation for submit a extras-devel and a project in garage.... how much need wait for it? ( i make my first app in qt... a google latitude updater )03:16
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rlinfatiand.... libqt4-maemo5 will be in extras ? ( not sure if goingo to use libqt4 or libqt4-maemo5 )03:18
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DocScrutinizer51Mousey: thanks. Hoped to hear that advice.  Any idea about which tty to use?03:31
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ryoohkianyone know the md5sum of RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin?04:01
ryoohkithat's for the wimax edition n81004:02
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microlithmm, time to reflash (again)04:04
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microlithat least it's (relatively) painless04:05
arachnistare contacts data/history/settings backed-up properly?04:06
microlithyes04:07
microlithbit of a necessity in this state04:08
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jebbaDocScrutinizer51:  or someone can please  `dpkg -l getbootstate` for me?04:17
jebbamicrolith: why need to reflash?04:17
DocScrutinizer51jebba: ??04:17
ryoohkiis there a way to verify RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin?  i downloaded the wimax edition n810 image and i'd like to verify it04:18
jebbaDocScrutinizer51: can you run that on your system, i just want to see the version that is on a stock system (which is what you are running i assume).04:18
microlithjebba: because after enough stupid 32wd_to reboots, eventually it just stops booting04:18
jebbathat's a lowercase L, not an i, by the wway.04:18
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microlithit gets to the 5 dots and gets stuck on the 2nd (with the backlight off)04:18
microlithand extras-devel seems to be inaccessible to me04:19
jebbamicrolith: you have this problem exactly, I bet:04:19
redanyone awake that knows Java and Serializing objects into files?04:19
jebbahttp://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/MALF/dsc_0326.jpg04:19
jebbahttp://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/MALF/dsc_0340.jpg04:19
microlithjebba: hey, that looks familiar04:19
jebbaanyway, can someone just run " dpkg -l getbootstate " for me please?  uh, and gimme the output ;)  (just version number needed)04:20
microlithI assume MALF = malformed04:20
jebbamicrolith: exactly.  How full was your drive?04:20
microlithjebba: I had at least 65MB free04:20
jebbaoh.04:20
* microlith has been careful04:20
DocScrutinizer51jebba: dpkg -l getbootstate`04:20
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DocScrutinizer51grr c+0 error04:20
DocScrutinizer51i  getbootstate   1.0.35+0m504:21
microlithditto04:21
jebbaDocScrutinizer51: thx04:21
microlithjebba: well that would explain why it fails to boot after enough reboots04:22
microliththat strikes me as merely a symptom of the larger problem04:23
lcukandre__, i need liqbase bugs entry please, with classic,library,apps as components available to use.  how would I go about it ?04:23
* red is melting due java.io.NotSerializableException04:24
andre__lcuk, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad#What_applications_maintainers_should_know04:25
jebbahttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019  microlith04:26
povbotBug 7019: Please release source code to getbootstate04:26
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GAN900wazd, ping?04:28
andre__heh.04:28
* andre__ tries to find out about getbootstate04:28
andre__yeah, it's closed04:29
andre__found it in the internal list04:29
* jebba weeps04:29
andre__which is quite ridiculous, given that it's basically only three source files :-P04:29
jebbaandre__: well, the "second dot lit" thing that I saw at 98% full microlith claims to be seeing with 65M full...04:29
jebbaandre__: any clue about "reset count".  Watchdog? Number of reboots?  wa?04:30
andre__no clue, sorry :-/04:30
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jebbaok, not much else i can do with it i suppose. reflashing....04:36
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DocScrutinizer51andre__: almost all closed source is plain ridiculous, considering we can always reverse engineer and it doesn't contain any patent worthy hyper new ideas. Keeping the copyright and simply not GPL it would suffice completely to protect Nokia's interests04:40
andre__DocScrutinizer-8, context?04:40
andre__bug 7019 maybe? :)04:40
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 Release source code of "getbootstate"04:40
DocScrutinizer51maemo04:40
andre__ah04:41
andre__sorry. I mixed up channels04:41
DocScrutinizer51andre__: e.g. dialer/contacts04:41
* andre__ should not work for more than 12 hours probably :-P04:41
jebbamicrolith: how do you know it's a 32wd_to reboot?   So are you getting spontaneous reboots? (I'm assumign that's what 32wd_to is right?)04:41
jebbaandre__: i have  ;)04:42
andre__DocScrutinizer51: nowadays by default new apps should always be open source if there are no competitive or 3rd party reasons, if I remember correctly04:42
andre__but past was different...04:42
DocScrutinizer51andre__: really great news04:42
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andre__I'm not sure with that04:43
DocScrutinizer51:-)04:43
andre__but I think it is04:43
andre__it's complicated04:43
* andre__ once again links to http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages04:43
DocScrutinizer51andre__: thanks for pointer. I have to confess I had too few reading of wiki yet04:45
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jebbaweird, /sbin/bootstate appears to be free (now?) but not getbootstate?  I wonder if that's just oversight.   https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsm/  It's just in svn now.04:50
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jebba"getbootstate: Houston, we have a problem, powering off..."  Next line: "Welcome to your upstart powered internet tablet." heh04:52
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jebbaactually the reset count can't be a watchdog, because that loads later on in the boot AFAICT04:54
Guest96848how can i add something to PATH on fremantle for the user user?04:54
jebbaedit  ~/.profile   add  line with   PATH=$PATH:/home/user/bin   or whatever.  IIRC04:57
jebbahave to log in & out for it to take effect, or perhaps just run:04:58
jebba. ~/.profile     (note: period then space then ~/.profile)..  That should do it.04:58
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Guest96848sadly there is no ~/.profile - checked that too05:01
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v2pxno ~/.*rc either05:02
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jebbav2px: just create a new .profile05:04
jebbadoesn't have to be there already05:04
v2pxah ok so its executed on login. wasnt sure about that and too lazy to figure it out myself. thx :P05:04
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jebbaandre__: microlith  !!!!!  I was able to reboot without reflashing!  I just set the thing to R&D mode.  sudo ./flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode05:10
jebbaIt came back up fine! :)05:10
dmj7261zaheerm: lcuk: GAN900: how is the video editing concept going?05:11
andre__uh? nice05:11
jebbaandre__: ya, so there is defintely something else going on with people seeing    *  (*)  *  *  *05:11
jebba...05:11
lcukjebba, get that report into the bug report asap..05:11
andre__jebba, feel free to comment on your bug report about that. weird05:12
andre__hehe05:12
andre__lcuk shares my mind :)05:12
lcukthats quite important05:12
jebbaandre__: and i kind of pieced that together by the few free remnants of code you guys published in DSM, so thanks for opening those bits up at least.  Nokia is gonna double my pay!05:12
lcukyeah andre, anything which allows data recovery without a reflash is a major win!05:12
jebbagod, can i just cut & paste this shit. hahaha05:12
jebbaI just had to set time & date at boot and then i was fine.05:13
andre__jebba, Re "you guys": I'm not part of Nokia actually :)05:13
jebbalcuk: see http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/MALF/   if you haven't yet.05:13
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lcukandre :) but a pretty damn vital member of maemo :)05:13
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jebbawow. andre__, you're not part of nokia? consultant or something no? anyway, no need to answer.05:14
jebbalcuk: any suggestions for places to file that?05:14
andre__jebba: subcontractor. with some nice freedom included :)05:14
jebbathere's probably a few bugs that could be mentioned.   Bug 7019  bug 5450 bug 635005:15
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 Release source code of "getbootstate"05:15
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450 Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space05:15
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 random reboot bricks device05:15
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lcukrandom reboots05:15
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andre__reboots - that's the ugliest report I currnelty have. a bunch of comments, definitely several issues in one report, and lots of noise :-/05:16
lcuka LOT of noise05:16
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andre__yeah :-(05:16
lcukso finding something like this can be investigated05:17
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andre__have to make clear that forum and bugzilla are different tools. that's probably complicated if a normal user has never seen those tools before05:17
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andre__jebba:05:18
andre__please also add to your comments that R&D mode is *not* recommended and should be disabled again later. It *will* create other side effects05:18
andre__e.g. the keyboard backlight will behave weird et05:18
andre__c05:19
* andre__ tries to avoid followup noise05:19
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andre__jebba, also, your solution is quite Debian/Ubuntu specific, hence nothing for normal Windows users - also worth to mention :)05:21
jebbaandre__: hah. ya was seeing the weird keyboard thing thx for letting me know that it is "normal" or at least known.05:22
jebbai'm running fedora x86_64 fwiw.05:22
andre__please mention it, really :)05:22
jebbai guess that's just a reason why the fucking FLASHER should be free software too.  Gah, the pain they cause   ;)05:22
andre__oh. me too, but i was too lazy to set up sudo here :)05:23
jebbaok, i did the comments already, but i'll respam them all again  ;)05:23
jebbaandre__:  i'll disable R&D mode on mine first to see if it goes back to brick. 1 min05:23
jebbaandre__: to be clear, no flasher exists for windows?05:25
andre__errm. actually I must say that I don't know, as my only machine that runs windows has a broken USB :)05:25
gavinthere's a flasher for windows05:26
gavinhttp://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php05:26
andre__but the "sudo" part won't work on windows05:27
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andre__jebba, see, I only want to avoid followup questions / noise. hence the request to be exact in your comment :) thanks in advance05:27
jebbaalso   `hg clone http://hg.youterm.com/0xFFFF`  the free software flasher now has n900 code, but i havent tested it yet.  It can also set R&D mode.05:27
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jebbaandre__: sry i pooched that then, as i sent it before i read what you wrote.  I've been at this for, uh, maybe 14 hours now hehe05:28
andre__jebba, hehe, well, add a second comment :)05:29
jebbaah, at least I collided with you on the getbootstate bug.  hah05:31
red13,5 hours of Java so far jebba :)05:33
redi get the feeling im not in my sharpest of states hehe05:33
dmj7261lcuk: you were doing a video editor mockup, right?05:33
jebbai've spend the last few minutes merely trying to press "U" and plug in the fkn cable heh05:35
red:D05:37
rednot that well there either then05:37
jebbaYep, setting R&D mode, booting up, setting production mode, booting up A-OK   :)  No brick.05:37
jebbafree fone?05:38
jebbaandre__: is what i wrote in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019  ok?  I'm just gonna cut & paste relevent bits to the other tickets if it's ok.05:39
povbotBug 7019: Release source code of "getbootstate"05:39
DocScrutinizer51jebba: reading about "why closed pkges" and #7019 really kinda made me sad :-/05:39
microlithjebba: if I execute that enable-rd-mode it'll just trigger it without any reflash I assume?05:39
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jebbamicrolith: correct.05:41
GAN900dmj7261, haven't kept tabs since BCN05:41
jebbaDocScrutinizer51: ya, nokia will probably have batteries blowing up or something but not let anyone look at the code to protect us or something....05:42
DocScrutinizer51"huston we got a problem" muhahaha. State MALF, powering off WTF?!?!05:42
dmj7261I don't know where there's even info about it now.05:42
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GAN900jebba, andre__ works for maemo.org. ;)05:42
andre__jebba, if you replace "you" by "Nokia" and drop the last two paragraphs, and mention that your command is linux-only: yes :)05:43
jebbaah gotcha.05:44
jebbaheh. s/redhat/fedora stuff ya,.05:44
jebbaah, ya, but that "you" part wont go in other bugs as it's different issue.05:46
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jadamsI have an n900.  I'd like to stream the videocamera feed over the wifi to another machine on the local network.  I would assume gstreamer is the way to go.  Am I incorrect?05:50
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jebbabug 5450 is marked Resolved: FIXED hehe05:51
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450 Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space05:51
andre__jadams, define "way to go"05:51
microlithjebba: just noticed the weird behavior from R&D mode you mentioned05:51
jadamsandre__: definition: will work, at all, to stream video over the local lan (i.e. not qik)05:51
andre__jadams, you know that gstreamer is a backend?05:52
DocScrutinizer51Obviously depends on the streaming format you choose05:53
jebbamicrolith: uh, did booting up in R&D mode de-brick for you? Or were you not bricked?05:53
microlithjebba: was not bricked at the time, however that will be handy in the future05:53
jebbaok, definitely let me know.05:54
microlithwill do05:54
jebbaplz  :)05:54
microlithif things go like I expect, it will self-brick before I am home tomorrow :/05:54
redmicrolith: in short what causes the self-bricking? :o05:54
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microlithred: bug 635005:55
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 random reboot bricks device05:55
microlithbut the device isn't really bricked05:55
microlithjebba just pointed out some nokia program causes it to halt during boot because it rebooted too much05:55
warpatchcan someone tell me the program name of the "secure device" program? I'm a moron and forgot my password.05:56
redmicrolith: mmm.. i've not experienced any random reboots and had the phone a bit over a week now, using 10+ testing and 2 devel software05:56
andre__warpatch, ???05:56
redis that random rebooting something hardware oriented or probably affecting all units?05:57
andre__what "secure device" program?05:57
jebbai've only had 1 random reboot days ago05:57
warpatchandre__: I was hoping to killall -9 the program.  guess that won't work?05:57
microlithmine's been doing it pretty furiously since friday05:57
andre__warpatch, now if I had a clue what you talk about... :)05:57
microlithhad to reflash sunday, monday, and today05:57
jebbamicrolith: you could try my kernel that has framebuffer console too, which will give more debug info.  But only if you're comfortable with kernels/modules/etc, otherwise....05:58
warpatchandre__: hah, well...you click the power button and then you have a couple of options.  one locks the phone with a wonderful keypad05:58
redmicrolith: by any chance did you use mass storage mode and transfered windows onto the phone via windows?05:58
redfiles onto*05:58
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microlithjebba: I don't think it'll make much of a difference, since it's apparently a hardware watchdog kicking it05:58
andre__warpatch, "device lock"05:58
microlithred: a couple times, back on sunday05:58
warpatchandre__: that is likely it05:59
andre__hehe05:59
redit rebooted on friday, but you didnt use mass storage mode with a windows machine until sunday?05:59
andre__warpatch, tried 12345?05:59
jebbamicrolith: but yours bricks after the reboot (sometimes? all times?).  Mine was MALFing before the watchdog was even loaded.05:59
microlithjebba: after enough reboots it does05:59
andre__warpatch, ah well, if you have reset it... hmm.05:59
warpatchandre__: yes, I changed it yesterday and damned if I remember what it is now05:59
redsilly question, i havent checked, but what filesystem does the N900 use?05:59
microlithred: rootfs is ubifs, /opt partition is ext3, remainder of the 32GB is fat3206:00
warpatchandre__: but I remember the root password, so I was hoping to ssh and kill the program if possible06:00
jebbahaha06:00
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redmicrolith: good, ok06:00
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reddo you "eject" the device or just unplug it from pc?06:01
andre__ejecting is always safer06:01
microlithred: since reads/writes aren't cached on removable media, just unplug06:02
microlithhard disks and the like I eject06:02
andre__warpatch, interesting idea. no clue if that works :)06:02
warpatchandre__: me neither, thats why I was hoping to find the program's name and kill it if it exists :)06:02
redone could still argue ejecting to be safer06:03
redthought im unsure as if its just the fact i've been told to always do it instead of actually having read some facts to base it on06:03
redbut as for the bug itself..  pretty mindboggling06:03
microlithyeah06:03
andre__warpatch, if ssh works, you could also try devlocktool -C06:03
Macerwow. i never noticed that SS uniforms had a skull on them06:04
redwhere did that come from06:05
Macera skull and crossbones :) haha. those nazis sure knew how to make uniforms06:05
jebba...06:05
Maceryeah. that was the wrong # sorry :)06:05
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red:D06:06
redoh well, thanks for the uplift06:07
warpatchandre__: well that doesn't seem to do anything really.  it doesn't throw an error but it doesn't change the code either06:08
warpatchnot sure if I'm using it properly, but I believe I am06:08
andre__uh? but it should. what id you enter?06:08
andre__see devlocktool --help06:08
DocScrutinizer51warpatch: nota bene the --help says it needs old CODE to set NEWCODE06:09
andre__argh06:09
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DocScrutinizer51andre__: ;-P06:09
* andre__ should go to bed soon06:09
warpatchDocScrutinizer51: so its probably not giving me an error when I type in the wrong code06:10
DocScrutinizer51no idea06:10
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DocScrutinizer51lemme try ;)06:10
DocScrutinizer51obviously no reply, no06:11
jebbadbus-send --system --type=method_call \06:12
jebba --dest="com.nokia.mce" --print-reply \06:12
jebba "/com/nokia/mce/request" \06:12
jebba com.nokia.mce.request.get_devicelock_mode06:12
jebbacan probably set it some how with dbus too...06:12
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DocScrutinizer51warpatch: if any of the hackers here could spot the *file* where the lock code is stored then you most likely can reset it by simply editing or copying over the original06:14
jebbawarpatch: does this say that it's locked?  gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock06:15
warpatchugh, whats even ridiculous is that I can apparently answer incoming phonecalls06:15
jebbahaha06:15
warpatchsomeone just called me and let me answer06:15
warpatchlet me check06:15
redwarpatch: did you change lock code and now as you attempt to enter it it says its wrong?06:16
DocScrutinizer51red: yes06:16
redi had the same bug06:16
warpatchred: yes.  I was almost certain I remembered it but apparently not06:16
warpatchits a bug?06:16
redwell, i did remember and i knew i typed it right06:16
redbut it didnt work06:17
redrestarting the phone made it work06:17
redso there was some odd bug that the default code didnt work, nor the new one i entered, until i rebooted06:17
redincase u didnt boot yet give it a try06:17
redany luck?06:30
jebbagconftool-2 --get /system/osso/dsm/locks/devicelock_failed06:31
jebbathat's cute06:31
jebbai'm getting there....06:31
DocScrutinizer51jebba: is this a bug? when display is set to "don't dim while charging" it still doesn,t undim on charger plugin06:33
DocScrutinizer51jebba: could aslo be a feature ;-)06:33
redi suppose that means the automagic dimming depending on lighting06:33
redand not the idle dimming06:33
redatleast thats how i thought06:34
andre__what is "undim"?06:34
DocScrutinizer51andre__: enable backlight06:34
redchange brightness to full when you plug to charger? :p06:34
andre__heh. ah :)06:34
jebbahmm, changing everything related to "lock" in gconftool and rebooting still comes up locked, so i dont think it is set there.06:34
DocScrutinizer51jebba: to unlock??06:35
redcould there be a temp file which when present indicates locked state?06:35
DocScrutinizer51could aslso actually be the lock code for modem06:36
DocScrutinizer51handled completely outside linux system, on modem06:36
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DocScrutinizer51except the requester itself06:37
jebbawell, it's gotta be in there *somewhere*...06:38
jebbai'll find it some day ;)06:38
redthought the lockdown code isn't sim based so would be odd to be handled in the modem06:38
DocScrutinizer51red: I'm not sure. AIUI a change of SIM as well triggers the hw lock06:39
DocScrutinizer51SIM is modem subsys domain06:39
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redmm, true06:44
redout of my ballpark anyhow06:45
redim just the type of person to throw up suggestions even when I probably should just shut my trap :)06:45
DocScrutinizer51red: jebba: so odds are you never find a location in any filesystem to change/reset hw lock code06:46
DocScrutinizer51and you might end up with a locked modem even if warpatch managed to kill -9 lockerprog06:46
jebbaDocScrutinizer51: well, i bet it's there somewhere.  nvram in some systems. Even if the code itself is in the SIM or something, it's linux that is locking the screen, ala xscreesaver-ish. *that* can be killed.06:47
jebbaah, good point tho06:47
jebbaeven that's gotta be recoverable i would think....06:47
DocScrutinizer51yep. by secrect incantation built by IMEI modulo PI06:48
jebbaman i'm glad i didnt have to reflash this thing.06:49
jebbai'm outta here for the night though. hasta mañana....06:50
DocScrutinizer51buenas notches06:50
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redand i still have 4 more hours of java debugging before software showcasing06:51
redhate06:51
DocScrutinizer51eeew. enjoy ;-)06:52
RolaBladeHi... anyone here know how or where I can find information on how to install maemo sdk on Arch Linux? Thanks06:52
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jebbaRolaBlade:  uh, dunno, but i can give you an account on a system with SDK.  http://www.freemoe.org   (uh, still here, my calendar is whacked due to reset and brokentimezoneness in buenos aires gah)07:00
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RolaBladejebba: how is this system07:04
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joppu_Theme "reflect" now in extras-testing. Test test test!07:44
johnxooooh. is it shiny?07:44
joppu_It's _really_ shiny07:45
redNeed to find where my phone is and then ill test, brb :)07:45
redwhat category?07:46
joppu_uh...07:47
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rednothing named reflect on the listings07:48
reddid refresh before checking "All"07:48
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joppu_Perhaps it's in an illegal category?07:49
redwtf, sudo gainroot is prompting me for a password?07:49
joppu_Autobuilder reports success07:49
johnxred: install rootsh07:50
redi have it07:50
johnxtype: root07:50
redand it worked 2 days ago07:50
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redmeh, went in07:50
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reddid the command change?07:50
redi recall an update to it07:50
rednot sure if i used it after07:51
DocScrutinizer51sudo gainroot07:51
joppu_red: http://maemo.org/packages/view/reflect/07:51
redrestarted x terminal and it seems to work properly again07:52
johnxDocScrutinizer51, #07:52
redsome odd hickup :)07:52
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redwhat was the command to see available space for file systems07:52
johnxdf -h07:53
red95% on rootfs07:53
redso shouldnt be the problem07:53
v2pxis there a screenie of the reflect theme?07:54
DocScrutinizer51sorry, someone talked to me. netsplit wiped my screen07:54
redjoppu_: shouldnt it be visible in the add/remove application list?07:54
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redre-refreshing just to be sure before i go try cmdline apt-get07:55
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redapt-get install reflect07:57
v2pxno reflect in my app manager07:57
red-> couldnt find package reflect07:57
reddid two refreshes07:57
redit07:58
redit's in devel, not extras testing dude :p07:58
red< joppu_> Theme "reflect" now in extras-testing. Test test test!07:58
v2pxi use devel... but no reflect there, too07:58
Maceroh no. the anti-toxin has iridium in it!07:59
Macerhaha.. i love star trek.. the older one cracks me up07:59
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redv2px: enabled it too now, refreshed via apt-get update and nothing called reflect for me either08:00
redbut the url above shows that it should be there08:00
sulx4no reflect...08:01
v2pxso i guess there is a delay... :)08:01
redhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/reflect/0.71-1/08:01
redthis link is at maemo.org08:01
redbut it times out for me08:01
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redjust "Waiting for maemo.org..."08:02
v2pxoh hey08:02
v2pxi386 is not what we want on the device :P08:02
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redhaha, right08:02
v2pxso i think its not shown because its tagged with i386?08:03
reddont hold not noticing that against me, been up for 28h08:03
redjoppu_: fixfix!08:03
v2pxheh me too. about 30h08:03
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johnxddos/netsplits are killing me. I'll be back later08:04
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* red slaps joppu_ 08:05
redtension building here dude :)08:06
v2px:P08:07
v2pxthe alternative is to provide screenshots08:07
redyep08:08
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redwhats the xulrunner packages on the device?08:10
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v2pxwindoof user? :P08:10
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RST38hMichal Jerz is gooood08:11
v2pxred: for microb maybe?08:11
* RST38h found the first maemo-related site (outside maemo.org) that is worth reading08:11
* ShadowJK fails to find conference mode in maemo5 xchat08:11
DocScrutinizer51what's confmode?08:12
ShadowJKhide joins and parts08:12
redok08:12
DocScrutinizer51click and hold chan tab08:12
ShadowJKso i dont see the netsplitting08:12
ShadowJKnope not there08:12
DocScrutinizer51on 90008:13
ShadowJKyes08:13
DocScrutinizer51on 810 no idea08:13
DocScrutinizer51not there08:13
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v2pxtry /set and pick the right option08:14
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ShadowJK/set is kinda not useful in xchat08:14
ShadowJKand no per-channel settings are there08:15
redAnyone have any ideas how to free space on rootfs partition? Mine shows 95% usage even thought there arent that many applications installed currently08:15
redis there any way to purge/flush trash files or something like that?08:15
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joerg_42reboot08:17
joppu_v2px: yeah, seems so :(08:17
reddoh, I tried that after removing some software already, with little change to free space.. 97% -> 95%08:18
joppu_And yeah, it was in devel, my bad, my bad08:18
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redjoppu_: and i38608:18
fluxred, have you installed stuff from extras or extras-devel?08:19
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v2pxscreenie pls :x08:19
joppu_red: yeah, I need to rebuild it :(08:19
redflux: one software from extras-devel (client to stream stuff from a media server), butterfly from extras-testing among few08:19
joppu_v2px: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/805039/img/glossy_test2.png08:20
redim aware of the issues that they might eat up space etc08:20
v2pxthx joppu_08:20
redjust asking if theres any way to cleanup other than reflash etc08:20
ShadowJKaha, /chanopt confmode obn08:20
ShadowJKs/obn/on/08:20
infobotShadowJK meant: aha, /chanopt confmode on08:20
fluxwell, I'm not worried, I'm at 95% :)08:20
red95% used and not worried?08:21
fluxthe amount doesn't seem to be increasing.08:21
flux(by itself)08:21
fluxand I'm sure I have a bunch of software installed in the partition08:21
redah ye, well.. deleted all things i really dont use and im at 92% now08:21
v2pxi have 90%08:21
redand im 92% sure its not increasing itself aswell so no worries08:22
redbut i do wonder why nokia went so cheap and made the fast partition that small08:22
redor perhaps they underestimated the need.. no idea, someone wiser might know08:23
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fluxit is likely the hardware decisions were made much in advance, and 256 might have sounded a lot bigger back then.08:23
fluxand when you make millions of devices (not sure what's the status of n900), every euro counts :)08:23
red:)08:24
ShadowJKand there's 32gig on the other chip08:24
redeemanit also counts that people don't "break" their devices when installing stuff08:24
ShadowJKif only software would use that instead08:24
luke-jrum08:24
ShadowJKand completely ignore the / chip08:24
luke-jrroot partition probably has reserved blocks?08:25
joerg_42256M is SoC storage I guess08:25
ShadowJKwell it's soldered ontop of the soc08:26
joerg_42ShadowJK: lol08:26
joerg_42yeah somehow08:26
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ShadowJKpackage on package08:26
joerg_42by TI though08:26
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ShadowJKdont think so08:27
ShadowJKram is in the same chip I think08:27
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redjoppu_: is ur themes only change the glossy virtual keyboard?08:29
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v2pxi like this theme: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:M4w5Qh.png08:42
redfilthy : inside an url08:45
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v2px:P08:45
v2pxbetter this way? http://wiki.maemo.org/images/b/b6/M4w5Qh.png08:45
redwhy doesnt the n900 virtual desktop icons have snapping? :p08:46
v2pxyea i miss that. is there a brainstorm or something about it?08:47
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redno idea, but it makes the perfectionist in me cry silently08:49
rednudging stuff back and forth with stylus for hours :D08:49
redand then accidentally enabling desktop config and pushing some icon off balance08:49
v2pxi was hoping i'm not the only one doing that :D08:50
redhaha08:50
v2pxor accidentally tapping on the X on a icon08:50
KMFDMplease snapping08:51
KMFDMoh yes please08:51
KMFDMi also08:52
KMFDMspend so much time08:52
KMFDMfixing it08:52
KMFDMand then i accidentally move something08:52
KMFDMi want a way to lock the desktop honestly08:52
KMFDMso i can't accidentally go into edit mode08:52
KMFDMand wipe half of my icons08:52
KMFDMas has happened before when i dropped the phone into my pocket08:52
v2px:D :D08:53
v2pxmy desktop (i use only one): http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1527/a63846504ce44d3c8ab88957771ff28e.jpg08:54
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v2pxbut the screenie is old. fixed the icons later tonigt08:54
tigertred: theres a grid08:55
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tigertits just 4px iirc08:55
v2pxthere it is http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1529/6e69fc7689fb47f1bb8292e7649371b1.jpg08:55
v2pxthere really is a grid?08:55
tigertwhich makes it 0.4mm08:55
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tigertbut go poke in hildondesktop.ini08:55
tigerti think thats the filename08:56
tigertit can be changed08:56
* tigert looks08:56
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tigertno wait hmm08:58
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tigert so /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini has lots of fun to break the ui ;)08:59
tigertbut i think the grid was somewhere too...09:00
* tigert looks09:00
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tigertdarn, cannot find09:06
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tigerti remember someone mentioning this though09:06
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v2px*sigh*09:08
redeemannokia has said that won't come before maemo 609:09
redtigert: well there is some adjancing grid when adding stuff on the desktop09:09
redbut nothing snaps to it while dragging09:09
redwhen you click done it moves around the items by a small amount but its negligible09:10
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redredeeman: wtf..09:10
redthey cant be serious, thats such a small thing09:10
redeemanaccording to them its not a "no brainer"09:11
redeemanmaemo 5 is a joke to them09:11
redwell I hope to god you can upgrade N900 to Maemo 609:11
redeemanaccording to nokia you cant :P09:11
red...09:11
tigerthmm09:11
redi almost feel as screwed as to when the truth about apples nazim over appstore finally hit me09:12
redeemanit really is weird nokia is doing nothing to maemo 509:12
v2pxi thought there is a update coming b4 christmas?09:13
redso much for having a perfect opensource platform which has GUI layer mostly locked and Nokia deciding not to cater for it09:13
redmakes absolutely no sense at all09:14
* v2px acks09:14
ShadowJKOh have they said you can't now?09:14
DocScrutinizer-8for now I suggest to keep a backup of the .desktop or whatever the file/dir is called. Then simply restore when you accidentally messed your beloved desktop09:14
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redeemanv2px: yes but who knows what that will contain, probably minor stuff09:14
adeusbug fixes probably09:15
redeemanbut nokia only considers very few things bugs09:15
tigertv2px: let me ask the folks, are you going to be around?09:15
redwonder if they are trying to hook clients for having almost nice phone and trying to get them to upgrade to another expensive phone then09:15
v2pxtigert: sure09:15
DocScrutinizer-8red: sounds much like FUD rant09:16
v2pxi'm hoping for "the community" to replace the closed-source stuff with open alternatives09:16
v2px:>09:16
ShadowJKv2px, checked out mer?09:16
redwhats a FUD rant?09:16
ShadowJKFear, Uncertainty, Doubt09:16
redeemanDocScrutinizer-8: while they probably arent trying to "hook" people, they are effectively abandoning maemo 5 basically before its out the door09:16
v2pxShadowJK: not yet. is it worth a try? :P09:16
redim only experssing disgust if they really dont consider maemo 5 worth developing further and not making upgrading to Maemo 6 possible09:17
DocScrutinizer-8redeeman: who told that?09:17
ShadowJKv2px, I mean everyone that wants to open up teh closed source ought to work on/with Mer and the Mer people09:17
v2pxi'd help if i could do something good09:17
redeemanDocScrutinizer-8: well.. johnx said that nokia said maemo 6 won't be coming to N900, and reading the bug reports (including some i made myself) it becomes abundantly clear that they are not interresting in anything that cannot be fixed with 5 minutes hacking09:18
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DocScrutinizer-8red: there's just exactly *one* word in your statement :"if"09:18
v2pxShadowJK: i know perl! does this help? *hides*09:18
redeemanDocScrutinizer-8: furthermore they state "this feature will come in later maemo devices....." when its REALLY simple and basic features they for some grotesk reason omitted09:18
ShadowJKv2px, surely if you can distinguish perl from noise you can wrap your head around anything?09:18
v2pxShadowJK: :> you got a point there09:19
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ShadowJKWhat I find annoying is that a bug is not a bug if the bug is in the spec, and it's hard to discover what the spec is09:20
DocScrutinizer-8well, nokia managed with a lot of pain obviously to push N900 out the door just 2 weeks ago09:20
redDocScrutinizer-8: im basing my ranting on what johnx said nokia said - which i cannot know for certain, hence the if09:20
redreally im just afraid and dunno if i should be angry or what :p09:20
DocScrutinizer-8so I'm reluctant to speculate about their dedication to "small simple fixes"09:20
redeemani can understand that more advanced non-completely-basic features might not come to n900/maemo 5, i can even to some degree understand maemo 6 not coming, but the bugs/barebone features that they are refusing to fix for maemo 5 is frankly too much09:21
pupnikk goodbye09:21
redwhat redeeman said exactly09:21
redeemanespecially given that some of the features are even essential to have officially listed features work09:21
redeemanfor instance09:21
redstill im going to stay hopeful, can't know until they state something officially :)09:21
DocScrutinizer-8red: exactly. scratch all other words. the if is sufficient09:21
redeemansaving sent mail on imap sent folder09:21
redeemanwhich they refuse to fix in maemo 509:22
redeemanthey cant freaking list imap as supported without that09:22
pupnikmail works fine here09:22
redeemanpupnik: does it store sent mail on server? i think not09:22
ShadowJKmodest is suck, but I don't see anyone from community even trying to fix that either09:22
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redDocScrutinizer-8: why are you grabbing one word in few sentences only? are you not worried one bit or don't feel like the features missing are of importance?09:22
redor are you just arguing for the sake of arguing. i find it hard to make out09:23
redeemanShadowJK: be that as it may, nokia is supposed to provide the basic features09:23
pupniki use webmail since .. the web :)09:23
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redeemanShadowJK: but some parts of things are not even open, for instance, im told the calling application is closed, that makes it somewhat hard for us to work with09:23
redfor my gmail account imap stores sent messages, drafts not thought09:23
DocScrutinizer-8I'm just not silly enough to argue and rant after 2 weeks from official release about sth that someone said foo09:23
redeemanDocScrutinizer-8: most of the rant is about the responses to reported bugs09:24
redeemanred: great, so it works if you use the magical gmail preset?09:24
DocScrutinizer-8I give a shit to those responses09:24
redredeeman: i chose gmail from the list and entered details09:24
redDocScrutinizer-8: yet you are arguing, so your attempt to place yourself above it kinda fails.09:25
redeemanred: including imap server,  port, authentication etc?09:25
DocScrutinizer-8nokia is in panic mode right ATM09:25
pupnikthey are?09:25
redif i recall correctly, it was a quick setup and among first things i did09:25
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DocScrutinizer-8red: huh?09:25
redeemanwell if they want to sell N900 they'd better fix the most basic things, as it stands now nobody that's serious about using even the simplest PIM features can do anything but laugh at N90009:26
pupnikare you done?09:26
v2pxbut i can have scumm on my n900. thats enough to make me happy09:27
DocScrutinizer-8so WHAT? microsoft does not fix any bugs TWELFE TIMES  a year for at least as long as Nokia did now09:27
pupnikredeeman: do you have an n900?09:27
redeemannobody said microsoft is usable to any degree?09:27
redeemanpupnik: i do09:27
redeemanand one of the things i expected when i read that it supports imap, is to have sent mails stored on server09:28
redeemannot to mention namespace support since most imap servers uses that09:28
redDocScrutinizer-8: do you really get bothered by me expressing worry of things i think are important and might be neglected in a casual place as IRC? when i clearly stated that im just afraid if it goes as the hearsay implicates.09:28
redeeman(allthough surprisingly they are willing to fix that)09:28
DocScrutinizer-8c'mon that's plain ridiculous to rant here "eew nokia abandons maemo5. for 2 weeks they came with no fix"09:28
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pupnikwhen are you returning it?09:28
redeemanDocScrutinizer-8: im not saying fix should come that fast, but they are outright refusing it on the bug tracker, and furthermore, this is a feature nobody sane could _EVER_ think of omitting in the first place09:29
redi didnt talk about any fixes, dont mix up :p09:29
DocScrutinizer-8red: I'm worried *if* the sky falls down on my head09:29
redeemanpupnik: im not, because i can live without that, but im certainly not recommending it either09:29
redDocScrutinizer-8: why bother replying if you dont answer?09:29
redgrow up tbh09:30
DocScrutinizer-8lol09:30
redeemanofcourse if you're saying that a response on the bugtracker like "store sent mail on server? omfg thats big change!! not in maemo 5!" means they will probably still do it, i take my comments back09:30
redeemanbut what am i supposed to think when i get such a response?09:31
* DocScrutinizer-8 shrugs and leaves kindergarden09:31
mtrltit's kindergarten09:31
DocScrutinizer-8have a nice time kids. behave09:31
redeemanyou are not responding to the statement09:31
redeemani must take that as that you cannot back your own statements09:31
pupnikredeeman: http://lmgtfy.com/!q=linux+email+client09:32
redeemanurl doesn't even work09:32
pupnikha ha09:32
redeemanand besides, pupnik, that's besides the point, official feature list says it supports imap, fact is it does not, fact is they have openly refused to fix it09:32
pupnikare you useless?09:32
redeemannow respond to THAT09:32
pupnikah09:33
redquite amusing that this guy tackles one word, repeats the same argument over and over and doesn't respond to direct question and still behaves like above others :p09:33
pupnikdidnt know that.  in which case you may have a point buried in there09:33
redeemanred: yes, its quite amusing09:33
pupniknow09:33
redeemanpupnik: i know you dont, because you didn't read what i wrote, but just felt like commenting anyway09:33
pupnikyou are so important, i can not describe it09:34
redeemani imagine quite alot of other people would wish that feature aswell09:34
redeemaneither way, if they list it, they should deliver it09:34
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redperhaps imap bugging for you is affected by some other issue09:35
pupnikand you sir, should return it09:35
redfor me it works without a hitch, and could have been same for nokia testing it09:35
redeemanred: according to the bug report its not a supported feature, and won't be09:35
redperhaps the person checking the bugreport had a brainfart, mistakes happend09:35
redeemanhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=255709:36
povbotBug 2557: Keep Sent and Drafts on IMAP server09:36
redshould just give it a couple weeks and see how the situation developes09:36
redfrom the attention its gotten it really seems like its low priority feature for nokia09:37
redeemanpupnik: i don't even think i can return it anymore, and that's STILL irellevant, when they announce a feature, they had better deliver it, otherwise they are simply lying09:37
redmust remind you, that not all desktop email clients support sent items saving on the mailbox globally either09:37
redeemani know of no imap-supporting client that does not09:38
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redeemanevolution, kmail, thunderbird, cone, sylpheed09:38
redeemanhell even outlook probably does09:38
redeemanpupnik: http://www.strandreports.com/sw4031.asp <-- i would recommend you spend 5 minutes reading this, and then reflect upon this little conversation :)09:41
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redand btw evolution isnt perfect either, it wont save drafts aswell and one could argue it is a lack of a feature in the same ballpark, not as severe thought09:42
redit can be worked around with some tweaking thought09:42
redim mostly worried about the possible lack of support for the os in future, but its really way too early to know for sure and ive just seen hearsay and nothing official about it09:42
reddoesnt mean it won't make me worry, but i stay optimistic09:42
redeemanevolution can save drafts on server09:43
redeemanyou just choose it under the account settings09:43
redeeman(allthough i have a pretty old evolution, so they MIGHT have removed that, it is gnome after all)09:43
redits bugged with default install settings atleast when i started using it just now, and had to rename some folders for it to work properly09:45
redwouldnt have found out unless i googled for it09:45
redeemani confess i know nothing of new evolution, but it works in my old one09:45
redwhich i bet some ppl wont bother to do and accept the missing "feature"09:45
redeemanperhaps09:45
redbut for real, we'll really only see around january better, what the future is looking like09:46
redtoo early to say09:46
redatleast i hope we know alot more by then :)09:46
redeemanwell i think it seems pretty clear from the nokia guy that this will not be coming to maemo 509:46
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reddno, i dont regard irc as the most trustworthy media for information under any case09:49
redeemanim talking stuff on the bugtracker09:49
redits not set in stone, what they write there :p09:49
redneither is what is closed for community09:50
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joppu_red: no, it changes virtually anything in the UI09:54
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sergio_hi guys10:37
sergio_I'm having problems today with git.maemo.org10:37
sergio_I'm getting a SSL certificate error10:37
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JaffaMorning, all10:46
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sejomorning10:46
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jaemmorning10:53
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jaemfrom Wikipedia: "These combination locks were installed on Minuteman ICBMs in the 1960s. However, the Strategic Air Command in Omaha worried that in times of need, the codes would not be available, so they quietly decided to set them to 00000000; checking this combination was even present on the launch checklists. This was not changed until 1977."10:53
jaem*facepalm*10:53
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harryvis it correctly understood that e.g. the n900 comes with full root access? no jailbreaking/rooting involved?10:54
jaemharryv, you betcha!10:54
harryvthe lack of articles on how to do so suggests it.10:54
harryvnice.10:54
jaemwell, technically you need to download one app, but it's in the official community repo, and is a one-click deal10:54
jaemand it's supported in the sense that they encourage it, although obviously if you break something, it's your fault10:55
harryvwhat does it do?10:55
jaemthe app is called "rootsh", and thereafter you can use the command "root" to get root10:55
jaemnot sure exactly how it works, but essentially Nokia just disables sudo access by default so people don't accidentally bork things, and this just undoes what they did in some fashion10:56
jaemor something like that10:56
jaembut it's completely painless10:56
jaemunfortunately, in the default setup you still can't sudo things directly - you have to enter a root shell10:56
swc|666jaem, rofl @ wikipedia article10:56
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jaemswc|666, :) - and you thought default router passwords were bad!10:57
fcrozathi all..10:57
swc|666exactly ;)10:57
* jaem googles "us missile default launch keys" ;)10:57
fcrozatI'm having some issues with ldconfig which crash with bus error on n90010:57
fcrozat(on /usr/lib)10:57
jaemheh... at least they realized that was a bad idea after only 17 years10:57
jaemfcrozat, hi - more detail, please?10:58
fcrozatit seems it appeared when I tried to install omweather or python2.510:58
swc|666jaem, yea that's about the speed of bureaucracy10:58
jaemswc|666, I imagine the speed of the missiles in the question was rather quicker :P10:58
* fcrozat needs to install strace to check which file seems to be causing the crash :(10:58
jaemfcrozat, hmmm... OMWeather worksforme, but I haven't messed with Python much10:59
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RST38hSomething changed in Bugzilla.10:59
jaemRST38h, is this unusual?11:00
RST38hIt started sending weirdly formatted emails.11:00
jaem:S11:00
ShadowJKthe camera app is kinda bad at taking pics of people's cards11:00
jaemyou mean bugzilla has - *gasp* a bug?!11:00
fcrozatjaem: well, I "just" installed the stuff from extras repository11:00
jaemShadowJK, that's what you get for cheating at poker11:00
jaemfcrozat, what's the error?  - brb11:01
RST38hNo, I mean that something changed.11:01
kriganyone know what's the rationale for the weird partitioning scheme? why not map /usr to the mmc rather than /opt?11:01
ShadowJKjaem, business cards11:01
fcrozatjaem: bus error when /sbin/ldconfig is run by postrm script11:01
* krig filled his rootfs in no time11:01
fcrozat(or when installing new packages)11:01
RST38hkrig: Because /usr has to become available before mmc is mounted11:01
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krigRST38h: aha11:02
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ShadowJKI thought I'd start doing like the asians, and take picture of people's business cards, and use the N900's tagging feature to be able to find them later11:02
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jaemShadowJK, you should use Evernote with that as wel11:04
jaemso you can do a full-text search on the cards11:04
jaemit also occurred to me that Evernote would be handy for recording lecture notes in classes such as math, although if you do that, you usually just look like a noob11:05
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jaemfcrozat, not sure, to be honest11:05
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fcrozatjaem: I found strange I'm the only one with the issue11:05
ShadowJKbiggest challenge is to cover the LEDs with finger, regulating the amount of light, while not covering too much of the lens, so that it still sees enough to focus11:06
jaemShadowJK, hrm11:06
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v2pxoooh i missed the bugday11:23
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* lucent glows happily "N900 arrived, picking it up from USPS office in 6 hours"11:27
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lucentcurious if there's any trick to applying a zagg screen protector to it?11:28
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sayjavadoes anyone know if media player on maemo exposes some interfaces via DBus?11:29
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lucentgreat question though @ sayjava11:32
tigertsayjava: the media player uses gstreamer stuff underneath11:33
tigertthose can be poked at via dbus11:33
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Jaffasayjava: MAFW is a high-level media player API; I *think* it has D-Bus interfaces.11:43
lucentAnything a new N900 user should know? like known bugs etc11:45
lucentare updates poisonous?11:45
timeless_mbpupdates haven't happened yet11:45
timeless_mbpso asking about them is well...11:45
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timeless_mbpgenerally speaking, you'll want the updates11:45
sivanghey timeless_mbp11:45
timeless_mbpand nokia delays weeks or months testing them before we deliver them11:46
timeless_mbpbecause we're afraid to ship anything11:46
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lucentthanks for the advice :)11:47
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lucentmy only regret is that the N900 doesn't look able to host USB devices11:48
redeemanthat would have been nice, but well... not really that required11:49
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lucentdue to time-to-market constraints? or just not possible11:49
lucentcurious about whether we'll see an N900+1 that does host usb11:50
timeless_mbplucent: so, roughly each hardware product nokia has made has been different from the previous one11:51
timeless_mbpso one can't apply the logic you're trying to apply to determine whether a future product will or won't have something11:51
Proteousdue to not wanting to deal with the battery power draw that might happen depending on what USB device people try to plug in11:51
Proteousprobably11:51
* timeless_mbp doesn't think that was the reason11:52
Proteouswell fine then11:52
Proteoushmph11:52
timeless_mbpyou're assuming that the person who selected the component was concerned about that11:52
lucentvery good point @ timeless_mbp11:52
lucentI've heard that the push for micro-usb is very big in Europe11:53
lucentdoes micro-usb allow host device?11:53
redeemanmicrousb is the connector11:54
redeemanit allows nothing :P11:54
timeless_mbpso, roughly, mini-usb wasn't supposed to do hosting11:54
Proteousthe connector size probably doesn't have anything to do with what modes it supports11:54
timeless_mbpmicro-usb was supposed to enable various things11:54
fcrozatlucent: there is an EU regulation mandatoring micro-usb as power plug for mobile phone11:54
lucentoh, I suggest that because of my experience with Sharp C3xxx devices, a special cable was needed to trigger the host support11:54
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timeless_mbpthe problem is...11:55
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Proteoussame with the nokia n81011:55
timeless_mbpusb charging became much more important than usb host mode11:55
Myrttilucent: china too11:55
Proteousif they would just move to the minuscule USB standard they could solve all these problems11:56
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Proteousor was that petite USB11:57
Proteousteensy usb?11:57
ProteousI can never remember what usb cable to buy11:57
MyrttiProteous: have more coffee11:58
ProteousI buy a micro B when I was suppose to get a mini A-11:58
Proteousheh11:58
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Myrtti_berto_: aloha11:58
sayjavajaffa: yes I know it has but it is not documented anywhere11:59
_berto_Myrtti: moi :)11:59
ProteousOnce they impliment Mondo USB you can have a USB port that doubles as a car mount11:59
Myrtti_berto_: any news on last.fm?12:00
sayjavatigert: I wanted to use the highlevel framework (mafw) not talk directly with gstreamer12:00
ShadowJKN810 has MicroUSB too. N800 has MiniUSB12:00
_berto_Myrtti: I sent them yet another email yesterday, but no reply12:00
Myrtti_berto_: reading from a blogpost with their comments, the message was that there's nothing stopping from making mobile clients, as long as they identify as such to last.fm, which allows last.fm to stream the client a stream that has been tailored for such devices12:01
ShadowJKwhat do they mean "tailored"12:02
ShadowJKsurely you still want 256kbit/s AAC or whatever12:02
MyrttiShadowJK: some of the content is not available for "phones" due to licencing restrictions by the record companies.12:02
Myrttiso basically some songs/artists/whatever are not available for phones.12:03
ShadowJKoh, well, nokia says I have a mobile computer12:03
MyrttiShadowJK: and that's where we tread on thin ice12:03
lucentcan't it be a user option "which device do you have?"12:03
tigertsayjava: ah ok12:03
lucentlet user pick. badda bing12:03
_berto_and how am I supposed to identify myself as a mobile client?12:03
Myrttilucent: you think that the record companies would allow that? LOL.12:04
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lucentwell, yeah12:04
timeless_mbpShadowJK: of note, the n810 didn't support usb charging12:04
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ShadowJKtimeless_mbp, yeah12:04
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_berto_there's a getMobileSession() function in the API, but that doesn't seem to be for that12:04
_berto_"In some cases, you may want to choose a different authentication path from the obvious (e.g. a mobile app could well use the desktop path if there's a web browser on the device). If in doubt, check them all out."12:04
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Myrtti_berto_: I suppose that the API key they issue you will tell them that this particular user is requesting the content with this particular app which is designed to be run on a phone.12:05
Myrttibut this is only my speculation12:05
Myrttiin reality, I have no idea how that would work12:05
_berto_I haven't seen anything in the API12:06
_berto_and when you request the API key they don't ask if it's for a mobile app or not12:06
lucenttimeless_mbp: thanks again for the wisdom about N900 vs N810 micro usb functions, it does clear up some confusion I had12:07
sayjavaMyrtti:I dont think there should be a problem with the device12:10
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Myrttisayjava: I personally don't know what the problem is ;-)12:12
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