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| wazd_n800 | richard_12345, n900 comes with weather applet | 00:03 |
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| wazd_n800 | richard_12345, which explains that omweather is so popular :) | 00:04 |
| VDVsx | wazd_n800, humm, which email did you used, didn't received anything so far o_O | 00:04 |
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| wazd_n800 | vdv100@gmail.com | 00:05 |
| GAN900 | wazd, nah, it comes with a link to install a weather applet. | 00:05 |
| VDVsx | wazd_n800, ok, should be stuck somewhere, lol | 00:06 |
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| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, ohsht | 00:06 |
| Milo- | what is the .bashrc equivalent for ash? | 00:06 |
| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, gmai :D | 00:06 |
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| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, there you go | 00:07 |
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| woglinde | re | 00:08 |
| maxxle | Hello! How do u call the position of the phone if the powerbutton is on the right and the USB port shows up to the sky? upright? | 00:08 |
| mtnbkr | maxxle: portrait? | 00:08 |
| maxxle | mtnbkr: so it's portrait and landscape? | 00:09 |
| mtnbkr | maxxle: that'd be my guess | 00:09 |
| mtnbkr | :) | 00:09 |
| maxxle | ok - so i must reword my bugreport :) | 00:09 |
| maxxle | thx | 00:10 |
| mtnbkr | Anyone else with N900 experiencing that the on-screen K/B does not reliably appear when you touch in a text area of an app like chat? | 00:10 |
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| Jiri- | Hello | 00:12 |
| GAN900 | mtnbkr, sometimes. | 00:12 |
| eitreach | mtnbkr, be sure to double-tab. | 00:12 |
| GAN900 | It seems to get stuck every once and a while. | 00:12 |
| eitreach | tap, even. | 00:12 |
| Jiri- | the maemo db is brokne so i need i little help to instal deb files | 00:12 |
| pupnik | woglinde: well nx setup per default seems to be happy, but server is dying when trying to start a session. did you pick kde, cde? | 00:12 |
| pupnik | user stuff is fine ssh -i client.id_dsa.key nx@localhost | 00:13 |
| pupnik | NX> 105 stdout> NX> 1009 Session status: starting | 00:13 |
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| Jiri- | i tried to install the vncviewer with dpkg -i but i doesnot work anyone can help me? i also try to get superpriviliga access by typing sudo gainroot | 00:14 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: Did you try installing with apt-get? | 00:15 |
| jeremiah | Jiri-: That is the easiest way to install stuff | 00:15 |
| mtnbkr | eitreach: yeah, when it does not work, I usualy just give up (after double-tapping, tripple-tapping, pressing and holdoing then dowuble- and triple tapping again) then slide the real k/b | 00:15 |
| Jiri- | jeremiah no i didnot | 00:15 |
| jeremiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 00:15 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: Well, there are basically three ways to install software: the command line, application manager, and downloading | 00:16 |
| jeremiah | The command line is when you open a terminal and use 'apt-get' | 00:16 |
| Jiri- | ok | 00:16 |
| AakashPatel | what teh fuck | 00:16 |
| jeremiah | The application manager is the graphical tool you can use | 00:16 |
| AakashPatel | no nokia messenger for n900 D: | 00:16 |
| AakashPatel | the one with social network chat | 00:16 |
| * AbstractW needs a place that'll sell an N900 for not ass-gouge prices :P | 00:17 | |
| maxxle | Hey.... What do u think for a n900 as improvement: Unlocked phone; Portrait-mode; Press hw-power-button. => Menu should be rotated 90° left | 00:17 |
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| jeremiah | maxxle: Maybe put it on brainstorm? | 00:17 |
| Jiri- | jeremiah and i can install the gui aplication manager with maemo extras? | 00:18 |
| maxxle | jeremiah: Do u have an URL for me where to put it? | 00:18 |
| jeremiah | Jiri-: It is already installed for you | 00:18 |
| jeremiah | Jiri-: Which device are you using? | 00:18 |
| Jiri- | n900 | 00:18 |
| jeremiah | Jiri-: Okay, then you go to the application that has the wrench | 00:18 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: Sorry, that is the settings app! | 00:19 |
| Jiri- | so what i should do? | 00:19 |
| jeremiah | You should click on that little clipboard app, that will open up the app manager | 00:19 |
| Jiri- | ok | 00:20 |
| jeremiah | So start by clicking the boxes in the upper left of the screen | 00:20 |
| Jiri- | yeah | 00:20 |
| jeremiah | That should bring you to a screen with lots of apps | 00:20 |
| Jiri- | yes | 00:20 |
| jeremiah | Click on the one in the bottom right hand corner | 00:20 |
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| jeremiah | (more) | 00:20 |
| Jiri- | ok | 00:20 |
| jeremiah | Then on the left side you should see an app called the App. Manager | 00:21 |
| jeremiah | Click on that | 00:21 |
| Jiri- | yeah | 00:21 |
| jeremiah | That is the Application Manager which you can use to install software | 00:21 |
| Jiri- | deb files as well? | 00:21 |
| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, got it? | 00:21 |
| * lardman|home grumbles that he was hoping to be in bed by 10 | 00:21 | |
| jeremiah | Jiri-: All the applications there are packaged as debs | 00:22 |
| jeremiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 00:22 |
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| Milo- | being connected at all times shortens the batterylife, is there option somewhere which will autokill the connection when there is no need? | 00:22 |
| jeremiah | ^ That is a linkn that will help you. | 00:22 |
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| Jiri- | yeah but the vncviewer is not in the list | 00:23 |
| VDVsx | wazd_n800, yes, thanks | 00:23 |
| jeremiah | Jiri-: Did you read that wiki page? | 00:23 |
| jeremiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 00:23 |
| Jiri- | no i didn't | 00:23 |
| Jiri- | i try if i don't get i ask again | 00:24 |
| jeremiah | That will tell you how to enable the extras repos where lots of good software lives | 00:24 |
| jeremiah | Yup | 00:24 |
| Jiri- | yes now i got it | 00:24 |
| Jiri- | thanks a million | 00:25 |
| jeremiah | Excellent | 00:25 |
| Jiri- | these apps should be safe to use? | 00:25 |
| VDVsx | wazd_n800, one of those awesome 'measures' files is appreciated :P | 00:25 |
| jeremiah | Jiri-: Yeah - those apps are usually pretty good. | 00:25 |
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| Jiri- | ok | 00:26 |
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| jeremiah | Of course, they are written by the community, so they are not like commercial apps. | 00:26 |
| jeremiah | Often they are better. | 00:26 |
| jeremiah | But there are no guarantees | 00:26 |
| VDVsx | wazd_n800, only for the buttons, the dpad I already have here | 00:26 |
| Jiri- | i understand | 00:26 |
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| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, sure | 00:28 |
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| nomis | mhm, does anybody know what kind of sensor is below the front-camera in the N900? I believe the light sensor is above the camera. | 00:28 |
| jeremiah | nomis: That is a good question - I was wondering that too. | 00:29 |
| GAN900 | nomis, proximity | 00:29 |
| jeremiah | GAN the MAN | 00:29 |
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| Jiri- | now I Am Using My N900 To Irc Here How Cool Is That? Thanks Again Jeremiah | 00:29 |
| jeremiah | Jiri-: My pleasure! :) | 00:29 |
| Scummer | a 500$ irc client :) | 00:30 |
| GAN900 | There are 5 things on that side: ambient light, camera, proximity, speaker, LED. | 00:30 |
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| nomis | GAN900: ah, the thing that is supposed to prevent hanging up with your cheek? | 00:30 |
| Scummer | nomis: yep | 00:31 |
| simula_away | scummer... more like a $500 general purpose computer that eats 1.5 watts max and fits in your pocket :) | 00:31 |
| jeremiah | Is that what it is? | 00:31 |
| jeremiah | Hmm. | 00:31 |
| ifreq | simula_away: indeed | 00:31 |
| jeremiah | Doesn't work so well. | 00:31 |
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| Scummer | simula: oh.. and a SNES player for the bathroom :) | 00:31 |
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| simula_ | true :) | 00:31 |
| ifreq | flash support for the porn clips... | 00:32 |
| ifreq | whoops i didnt say that | 00:32 |
| * nomis was wondering about that and suspected some clever acceleration-sensor-usage :) | 00:32 | |
| ifreq | :-P | 00:32 |
| Scummer | :) | 00:32 |
| jeremiah | Don't even mention snes! | 00:32 |
| simula_ | is there an nes emulator in the repos? | 00:32 |
| ifreq | nope | 00:32 |
| jeremiah | NO! | 00:32 |
| simula_ | darn! | 00:32 |
| ifreq | but you can find dev separately | 00:32 |
| ifreq | deb* | 00:32 |
| jeremiah | :) | 00:32 |
| Scummer | simula: but you can find the deb | 00:32 |
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| simula_ | hmmm ok | 00:33 |
| jeremiah | simula_: There is some question as to whether emulators are 'legal' | 00:33 |
| simula_ | i own the cartridge | 00:33 |
| simula_ | legend of zelda FTW! | 00:33 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | hi guys | 00:33 |
| Sir_Lancelot | any known gps navigation software | 00:33 |
| Sir_Lancelot | for N900 yet? | 00:33 |
| Scummer | i'm sure the emulators are legal.. it's the images of the games that appearently are not.. | 00:33 |
| * dockane has hands on since 2 hours and was wondering why the screen was built that badly that it always moved on touch until vibration on touch was disabled | 00:33 | |
| wazd_n800 | emulators are 100% legal. period. | 00:33 |
| woglinde | Scummer jo mostly | 00:33 |
| ifreq | Sir_Lancelot: it has the builtin allready? | 00:33 |
| Sir_Lancelot | yes | 00:34 |
| jeremiah | Well, maybe they are and maybe they aren't - but no one here will be sued. | 00:34 |
| Sir_Lancelot | the hardware is there | 00:34 |
| Sir_Lancelot | just need osftware | 00:34 |
| woglinde | Sir_Lancelot try navit | 00:34 |
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| wazd_n800 | they. are. legal. without maybe) | 00:34 |
| Sir_Lancelot | hum? | 00:34 |
| ifreq | it has the maps pre installed, but tho you may need more like car navi i guess? | 00:34 |
| jeremiah | wazd_n800: Tell that to Nintendo when they sue Nokia. | 00:34 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I'm askingn things like tomtom, navigon, igo, etc | 00:35 |
| ifreq | yeh so more like car navi then | 00:35 |
| Milo- | anyone ever played supertux on n900? | 00:35 |
| wazd_n800 | jeremiah, they are not sueing nokia for emulators obviously | 00:35 |
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| jeremiah | wazd_n800: They certainly made some suing-like noises. | 00:35 |
| wazd_n800 | why sueing nokia for third-party software? | 00:35 |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: You won't find stuff like that on the N900 | 00:35 |
| Scummer | it's prbably all FUD | 00:35 |
| mece | Does anyone know if the thing that prevents fm transmitter from starting while headphones plugged a hardware or software thing? | 00:36 |
| jeremiah | TomTom is a competitor to Naviteq which Nokia purchased. | 00:36 |
| jeremiah | mece: I think it is hardware since teh headphones are the antenae | 00:36 |
| wazd_n800 | they sueing nokia cause they were stupid enough to advertise n900 with illegal rom | 00:36 |
| Scummer | on the other hand.. you can sue anyone for anything.. if it holds up in court is a matter of money for a good lawyer | 00:36 |
| jeremiah | Exactly | 00:36 |
| jeremiah | You cannot even have an appearance of violating copyright | 00:37 |
| wazd_n800 | rom, not emulator | 00:37 |
| wazd_n800 | rom is an illegal copy of copyrighted material :) | 00:37 |
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| crashanddie | no | 00:38 |
| Sir_Lancelot | someone has to realease navigation software for this device... | 00:38 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :( | 00:38 |
| Scummer | even if you own the ROM and rightfully paid for it | 00:38 |
| wazd_n800 | yes | 00:38 |
| mece | jeremiah, yeah, but I'd really like an antenna for the transmitter... Mobile pirate radio ftw! | 00:38 |
| Jaffa | wazd_n800: There are homebrew roms. | 00:38 |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: There already is an excellent app on the device by default | 00:38 |
| Jaffa | *cough* | 00:38 |
| Scummer | that's what pisses me off about the copyight shit | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | guys, take it outside | 00:39 |
| simula_ | heh | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | we've heard the discussion way too many times | 00:39 |
| wazd_n800 | Jaffa: well, I mean more popular case) | 00:39 |
| Jaffa | Scummer: People getting the option of being recognised for their work and charging people for it? | 00:39 |
| jeremiah | mece: heh | 00:39 |
| Sir_Lancelot | which oine jeremiah? | 00:39 |
| Sir_Lancelot | *one | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | Scummer, mece, wazd_n800: #copyright-trolls, thanks | 00:39 |
| Scummer | jaffa: no.. that if you purchase the work, it should be yours at that point | 00:39 |
| Scummer | ok.. i'll shut up now | 00:39 |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: Did you click on the 'Maps' application? | 00:40 |
| wazd_n800 | so I really don't understand why all emulators are still MIA | 00:40 |
| Sir_Lancelot | no | 00:40 |
| Sir_Lancelot | which Maps aplication? | 00:40 |
| Jaffa | wazd_n800: Ask one of the people involved in it; ask the council | 00:40 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :S | 00:40 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, lets talk about SW patents instead :D | 00:40 |
| wiretapped | anybody try connecting telepathy-idle to bitlbee? | 00:40 |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: Try that | 00:40 |
| * wiretapped is going to try this later today | 00:40 | |
| * VDVsx hides | 00:40 | |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: I think you will find it pretty good | 00:40 |
| Scummer | VDV: haha | 00:40 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: Yay! I've got 2. Or is it 3? I forget. | 00:40 |
| wazd_n800 | Scummer, you've purchased right to play game | 00:40 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: It is a lot like a TomTom app or a dedicated GPS device | 00:40 |
| Sir_Lancelot | but, is it one of those with preinstalled maps, or is it like google mapos which is always downloading the map | 00:40 |
| Sir_Lancelot | ? | 00:40 |
| Scummer | wazd: and what if my cartridge dies? i get a new one ? | 00:41 |
| jeremiah | VDVsx: heh | 00:41 |
| wazd_n800 | Scummer, not copying it, burning or ripping | 00:41 |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: A combination really. | 00:41 |
| wazd_n800 | Scummer, yeah | 00:41 |
| Scummer | gawd.. i said i'm not saying anything any more | 00:41 |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: But you'll find a lot of stuff predownloaded. | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | Sir_Lancelot: You can pre-download, but it will download as you go (vector-based) | 00:41 |
| Scummer | wazd: in your dreams.. you're f'd.. you gotta buy a new one | 00:41 |
| wazd_n800 | Scummer, just like if your TV dies) | 00:41 |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: This is a pretty complete application | 00:41 |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: With lots of detailed maps and funtionality | 00:41 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I don't have web on the phone right now | 00:41 |
| crashanddie | Scummer & wazd_n800: stfu | 00:41 |
| * Jaffa checks Google Patents. Ah, he's got 2 patent s. | 00:42 | |
| Sir_Lancelot | 3G is bloakced... | 00:42 |
| Sir_Lancelot | blocked | 00:42 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: Which device are we talking about? | 00:42 |
| Sir_Lancelot | n900 | 00:42 |
| wazd_n800 | crashanddie, silence | 00:42 |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: It is really a mobile computer | 00:42 |
| jeremiah | And it comes with a web browser | 00:42 |
| jeremiah | And it comes with the Maps application | 00:42 |
| jeremiah | So you don't have to use a web browser | 00:42 |
| jeremiah | to use the Maps app | 00:42 |
| * VDVsx recommends to all N900 users: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/n900fly/0.1.0/ | 00:42 | |
| VDVsx | :D | 00:42 |
| jeremiah | VDVsx: What is it? | 00:43 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah, very good app | 00:43 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah, 1 sec | 00:43 |
| * crashanddie points out to VDVsx that he already explained everything there was to know about software patents | 00:43 | |
| Scummer | makes the n900 fly when you throw it out the window ? | 00:43 |
| crashanddie | no need for that | 00:43 |
| Sir_Lancelot | maps aplication is kinda google maps | 00:43 |
| jeremiah | crashanddie: Take it inside | 00:43 |
| crashanddie | it's already pretty aerodynamic | 00:43 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :( | 00:43 |
| Scummer | :) | 00:43 |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: Are you on crack? | 00:43 |
| crashanddie | especially if you leave the keyboard open | 00:43 |
| jeremiah | It is nothing like Google Maps | 00:44 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36312 | 00:44 |
| jeremiah | wow | 00:44 |
| jeremiah | kinda cool | 00:44 |
| Sir_Lancelot | it is, in the manner that it downloads the map along the path... | 00:44 |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: No - it doesn't do that | 00:44 |
| wazd_n800 | crashanddie, no need to shut people up in that manner | 00:44 |
| Sir_Lancelot | no? | 00:45 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I thought it did | 00:45 |
| Sir_Lancelot | than, what is missing to have a turn-by-turn navigation | 00:45 |
| jeremiah | It is just like a dedicated GPS device | 00:45 |
| crashanddie | wazd_n800: yes, there is a need to do that, because we've seen the same conversation happen 20 million times, and the outcome is always the same | 00:45 |
| Scummer | haha.. hangtime.. lol | 00:45 |
| Sir_Lancelot | nokia maps, used to ask for a fee | 00:45 |
| * AakashPatel wants facebook chat | 00:46 | |
| crashanddie | wazd_n800: some people who have no knowledge and are only focused on how much they can squeeze out of other people say that copyright is bad and use the age old "I'm copying because I'm afraid my CD will break" defence when really they should learn not be such tightasses and handle their CDs a bit better | 00:46 |
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| GAN900 | dockane, I find it bizarre that so many people think that's broken. | 00:46 |
| wazd_n800 | crashanddie, no there isn't. If you're too nervous - you can release brain pressure thru a small crack in a skull made by hammer | 00:46 |
| jebba | 1.2m | 00:46 |
| GAN900 | Both of you STFU. | 00:46 |
| wazd_n800 | crashanddie, I heard that helps | 00:47 |
| wazd_n800 | what the fuck? I wasn't even talking to you | 00:48 |
| ifreq | should mediaplayer handle mmc indexing when its full of media like mp3s? | 00:48 |
| GAN900 | wazd, be less pissy. | 00:49 |
| * w00t turns down the channel temperature from 'flame' to 'warm' | 00:49 | |
| wazd_n800 | GAN900, hihihi | 00:49 |
| crashanddie | Snorting vodka is bad for your health kids -- don't do drugs | 00:50 |
| AakashPatel | someone gimme facebook chat D: | 00:50 |
| mece | lol | 00:50 |
| wazd_n800 | GAN900, It's so ironic that you tell me that | 00:50 |
| zash | facepalm book | 00:50 |
| Scummer | snorting wasabi is even worse | 00:50 |
| zash | "hockeypulver" ftw | 00:50 |
| crashanddie | brainmelt, lol | 00:50 |
| crashanddie | "Brain fondue with a side order of snot please | 00:51 |
| AakashPatel | Hm can you use that pidgin plugin? | 00:51 |
| AakashPatel | if you cross compile it? | 00:51 |
| zash | XMPP-server with spectrum? | 00:51 |
| dockane | GAN900: i have to admit, that the n900 for me is a step as big as from horse powerde wagon to warp engine | 00:52 |
| simula_away | from what dockane? an 810? | 00:52 |
| dockane | loved the n800.. so n900 was a must-have | 00:52 |
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| dockane | last phone was a nokia 1100 | 00:53 |
| mece | wait waht does this fly app do? It measures how long you throw the phone or..? | 00:54 |
| AakashPatel | What the link to browse extras-devel? | 00:54 |
| AakashPatel | or extras-testing | 00:54 |
| mikhas | you will wish your horse powered wagon back after your first core breach | 00:54 |
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| dockane | mikhas: breaking things is nothing new to me. i am used to it :) | 00:55 |
| mikhas | cool | 00:55 |
| * lardman|home looks back 15 hours and remembers saying that he would go to bed in 14 hours and not have anything to drink | 00:56 | |
| lardman|home | ~curse deadlines | 00:56 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, deadlines ! | 00:56 |
| dockane | lardman|home: sounds familiar to me | 00:56 |
| woglinde | lardman hehe | 00:56 |
| woglinde | I have time till thursday | 00:56 |
| lardman|home | my own fault, thought I needed to prepare an abstract, turns out it's supposed to be a 2 page "abstract" containing the results and conclusions :( | 00:57 |
| mece | AakashPatel, this: http://maemo.org/packages/ or this: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/ ? | 00:57 |
| AakashPatel | ah yeah the firs tone | 00:58 |
| derf | lardman|home: I hate those. | 00:58 |
| derf | Both reading and writing them. | 00:58 |
| lardman|home | pretty optimistic 6 months before the conf imho | 00:58 |
| lardman|home | but there you go | 00:58 |
| AakashPatel | http://maemo.org/packages/view/pidgin-facebookchat/ | 00:58 |
| AakashPatel | zomg | 00:58 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, fail. | 01:01 |
| lardman|home | yeah | 01:02 |
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| Milo- | has anyone ever played supertux on an actual n900? | 01:04 |
| ifreq | nope, my mom forbids it | 01:04 |
| ifreq | :( | 01:04 |
| dockane | hihi | 01:04 |
| Milo- | I can't navigate in the world-map :( | 01:04 |
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| AakashPatel | hmm lets see if this pidgin-facebookchat shiz craps it pants | 01:05 |
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| AakashPatel | oh hm | 01:06 |
| AakashPatel | would be graet to konw where it shows up | 01:06 |
| AakashPatel | oh heh | 01:06 |
| AakashPatel | pidgin | 01:06 |
| lardman|home | shame the facebook plugin doesn't do the same as the Android one and show a list of updates | 01:07 |
| AakashPatel | did you try it? | 01:07 |
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| lardman|home | yeah both | 01:08 |
| AakashPatel | son of a bitch | 01:08 |
| AakashPatel | "Could not retrieve buddy list" | 01:08 |
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| AakashPatel | Chat service is curretnly unavail | 01:09 |
| AakashPatel | yeah its broked | 01:09 |
| felipec | anybody here uses Pidgin or telepathy-haze? | 01:10 |
| AakashPatel | I konw its trying to connect, cuz facebook website logged me out | 01:10 |
| AakashPatel | felipe`: i just installed pidgin :/ | 01:10 |
| AakashPatel | but lucky me, pidgin-facebookchat isnt working | 01:10 |
| GAN900 | felipec, haze. | 01:11 |
| felipec | AakashPatel: on N900? | 01:11 |
| AakashPatel | Yeah | 01:11 |
| AakashPatel | lardman|home: do you still have it on your phone? | 01:12 |
| felipec | Where is it? I can't find it on the maemo.org site | 01:12 |
| AakashPatel | felipec: you have to enabled extras-devel | 01:12 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I have both N900 and HTC HD2 (the new one, with 1GHz cpu and 4.3" capacitive screen) and I have to seel one of them... | 01:12 |
| felipec | also, any idea how is it maintained? | 01:12 |
| Sir_Lancelot | just can't decide which... | 01:12 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :S | 01:12 |
| AakashPatel | Sir_Lancelot: N900 :P | 01:12 |
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| AakashPatel | duh | 01:12 |
| AakashPatel | erm wait | 01:12 |
| AakashPatel | Dont sell that one | 01:12 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 01:12 |
| AakashPatel | read it wrong | 01:12 |
| Sir_Lancelot | why? please convince me | 01:13 |
| ifreq | no need | 01:13 |
| ifreq | you decide it yourself | 01:13 |
| ifreq | your toyz, your decision or you come here later whining about bad choises made :P | 01:13 |
| Milo- | hmm seriously, why does the n900 automatically connect to internet? | 01:13 |
| Sir_Lancelot | I'm not sure about the future of maemo | 01:13 |
| AakashPatel | huh | 01:13 |
| Milo- | even if there is no need for connecting? | 01:14 |
| Sir_Lancelot | that's what's bringing my suspicious | 01:14 |
| AakashPatel | looks like a lot has changed since 1.60 and 1.64 | 01:14 |
| felipec | GAN900: where did you get it? | 01:14 |
| ifreq | Milo-: no widgets on? | 01:14 |
| Sir_Lancelot | (and btw: I'm not the whining kind of guy ) | 01:14 |
| Milo- | ifreq the default ones | 01:14 |
| Milo- | they shouldn't automatically connect | 01:14 |
| ifreq | Milo-: yeh but like facebook... something under accounts etc | 01:15 |
| ifreq | Milo-: so your network connection is set to "ask first" right? | 01:15 |
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| Milo- | ifreq don't use facebook or any IM stuff | 01:16 |
| AakashPatel | Okay | 01:17 |
| ifreq | and how abt my last question milo? | 01:17 |
| AakashPatel | 1.60 of facbook pidgin plugin is broked :) | 01:17 |
| Milo- | trying to find that specific setting | 01:17 |
| AakashPatel | fyi | 01:17 |
| ifreq | Milo-: settings -> internet connections | 01:17 |
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| Milo- | I'm blind.. | 01:17 |
| Milo- | Already set it to 'ask always' once. | 01:18 |
| Milo- | Wonder why it changed back to "any available" | 01:18 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: btw, wardriving with the mbp is bliss :P | 01:19 |
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| lardman|home | ~curse negative signals | 01:19 |
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| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, negative signals ! | 01:19 |
| crashanddie | ~curse ~curse | 01:19 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ~curse ! | 01:19 |
| crashanddie | What year is infobot from? 1862? | 01:20 |
| AakashPatel | lolol | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | Who starts a curse with "May" ? | 01:20 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 01:20 | |
| lardman|home | He's being polite | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: that's earlier | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | it's an ancient middle eastern curse | 01:20 |
| Lynoure | hrw|gone: Did try a QMenuBar with toplevel QActions, but still get them as a menu that is not like what the top menu tends to be... Any idea what I might be doing wrong still? | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | circa arabian nights | 01:20 |
| lardman|home | It's a request to the tentacled one, rather than a command | 01:21 |
| fnordianslip | at least he doesn't finish the curse with "already" | 01:21 |
| AakashPatel | apt-get autoremove --PURGE pidgin-facebookchat | 01:21 |
| AakashPatel | o.O | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, the nokia flagship store now spells the name of our product correctly | 01:21 |
| AakashPatel | wrong window | 01:21 |
| lardman|home | fnordianslip: :) | 01:21 |
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| mikhas | Lynoure, screenshot maybe? | 01:23 |
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| mikhas | I use QMenuBar + QActions, and it shows up nearly like a pure hildon/gtk menu, but then again I use 4.6 =/ | 01:23 |
| Lynoure | mikhas: 4.5 here still. | 01:24 |
| mikhas | ok, then I probably cant help, sorry | 01:24 |
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| Lynoure | mikhas: thanks anyway, I'll worry about it a bit later, then. Want to give my other question a shot, too? | 01:25 |
| Lynoure | I'm not getting a beep out of QApplication::beep() , not on Linux desktop, nor in scratchbox. Ideas? | 01:26 |
| mikhas | hm, no idea. have never used that. I'd check my mixer settings though, just in canse | 01:27 |
| mikhas | case* | 01:27 |
| ifreq | hrr | 01:27 |
| AakashPatel | Okay this is making me laugh | 01:27 |
| Lynoure | everything else plays, though | 01:27 |
| AakashPatel | why the hell does this thing have a mac os folder? | 01:27 |
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| Lynoure | But, will dig for a beep setting somewhere...) | 01:28 |
| mikhas | oh wait, it could be a desktop setting right? I remember a switch in my gnome control panel somewhere | 01:28 |
| red | maybe its using pc speaker? u got the cord connected? :p | 01:28 |
| red | AakashPatel: for compatability and file system differences? | 01:28 |
| red | dno | 01:28 |
| ifreq | AakashPatel: think its for usb mass storage mount so on osx it mounts correctly | 01:29 |
| mikhas | system > settings > audio > sounds > "play alert sounds" <= that's on jaunty w/ gnome | 01:29 |
| GAN900 | Sir_Lancelot, Maemo Devices has been hiring like crazy in a recession. Being "unsure" of Maemo's future is silly. | 01:29 |
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| ifreq | AakashPatel: atleast i needed tho first i thouhgt my osx made it automatically :) | 01:29 |
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| red | i have the folder aswell | 01:30 |
| GAN900 | AakashPatel, for when you plug it into a Mac. | 01:30 |
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| * AakashPatel is doing that right now >.< | 01:30 | |
| SpeedEvil | internationalisation: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/epic-fail-translation-fail.jpg | 01:31 |
| AakashPatel | hah SpeedEvil i saw taht yesterday | 01:32 |
| Lynoure | mikhas: yup, thought I found it for karmic as well, but no help | 01:32 |
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| red | three streamed episodes of myhthbusters and battery down to 20% hehe | 01:40 |
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| jon1012 | hi | 01:41 |
| red | sup with your hostmask | 01:41 |
| jon1012 | I'm making a maemo version of my network of websites (city envies : paris envies, lyon envies, noitesdelisboa...) and I'm trying to do it with pymaemo | 01:41 |
| jon1012 | is pygtk + hildon a good way to go ? | 01:42 |
| jon1012 | I have little experience with deb packaing... is there a way to convert setuptools requirement to debian ones and generate a .deb simply ? | 01:43 |
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| red | and sup with alot ppl on freenode having realname set as 'purple' | 01:43 |
| red | these are the things i wonder 2am | 01:44 |
| red | best to head to sleep | 01:44 |
| jon1012 | hehe | 01:44 |
| jon1012 | (my hostmask is a bit old :)) | 01:44 |
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| jon1012 | (I'm not in the foresight team anymore) | 01:44 |
| lardman|home | Foresight dev? | 01:45 |
| lardman|home | ah | 01:45 |
| jon1012 | I'm going to call my app maemoparty (since the websites have a lot of names :)) | 01:46 |
| jon1012 | (depending on the country) | 01:46 |
| jon1012 | I've done the python connector that fetch all the place, neighborhoods, ambiances, services and whatnot, and what is left for me to do is the UI... | 01:47 |
| pupnik | neat :) | 01:47 |
| jon1012 | is pygtk a recommended way of doing apps for maemo right now ? | 01:47 |
| GAN900 | MaemoParty would violate trademark. | 01:47 |
| jon1012 | (packaging wise) | 01:47 |
| jon1012 | GAN900: oh really ? | 01:47 |
| GAN900 | Party for Maemo is the valid formula. | 01:48 |
| jon1012 | GAN900: then I'll call it something else :) | 01:48 |
| pupnik | good to know GAN900 | 01:48 |
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| melmoth | jon1012: yep, just make a Makefile that call python setup.py :) | 01:49 |
| jon1012 | melmoth: are there examples for that somewhere ? | 01:49 |
| melmoth | most python apps | 01:49 |
| GAN900 | jon1012, marginally obnoxius, but it may save you pain in the future. ;) | 01:49 |
| jon1012 | ok :) | 01:49 |
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| GAN900 | Ugh, I get 1 bar of signal in this house. | 01:50 |
| GAN900 | The perfect number to kill my battery in 8 hours. | 01:50 |
| Macer | lol | 01:51 |
| Macer | the dollhouse where everybody is high | 01:51 |
| Macer | is cracking me up | 01:52 |
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| xorAxAx | hmm, looks like powertop is stuck in the build queue | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | woo! | 01:53 |
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| lardman|home | SpeedEvil: ? | 01:53 |
| * SpeedEvil gets unusually excited over powertop. | 01:54 | |
| xorAxAx | who was the builder master again? :) | 01:54 |
| xorAxAx | who could make it unstuck ... | 01:54 |
| xorAxAx | its really a small package and has been enqueued since 21:44Z | 01:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Bob? | 01:55 |
| xorAxAx | na, i dont mean your toy | 01:56 |
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| jon1012 | what is the real path for /usr/lib/pymodules in scratchbox ? | 01:56 |
| jon1012 | (I want to see some files with my explorer but I can't find those in real filesystem) | 01:57 |
| GAN900 | powertop is built in. | 01:58 |
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| mikhas | /scratchbox/users/your_user/targets/your_current_target/user/lib/pymodules IIRC | 01:59 |
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| jon1012 | thanks | 01:59 |
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| BabelO | GAN900: you have to do a kernem with CONFIG_NO_HZ, that what powertop says :) | 01:59 |
| mikhas | usr instead of user, ofc | 01:59 |
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| jebba | BabelO: stock kernel has CONFIG_NO_HZ=y AFAICT | 02:02 |
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| BabelO | jebba : powertop complain about this missing option | 02:02 |
| BabelO | maybe i have to check /proc/config.gz if it is on N900 | 02:02 |
| jon1012 | about pymaemo, is adding a console_scripts entry point enough to create an executable ? | 02:02 |
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| jon1012 | (in setup.py) | 02:03 |
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| GAN900 | Babel0, works fine here. :) | 02:08 |
| BabelO | GAN900: you did not got the advice from powertop ? | 02:08 |
| Dr_Cain | hmm | 02:08 |
| Dr_Cain | playing flash in the background | 02:08 |
| Dr_Cain | and checking top in the meantime | 02:08 |
| Dr_Cain | and pulseaudio is using 16% cpu | 02:08 |
| Dr_Cain | that's not really acceptable | 02:09 |
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| crashanddie | Dr_Cain: not acceptable? | 02:09 |
| BabelO | GAN900: here http://pastebin.ca/1715092 | 02:10 |
| crashanddie | Dr_Cain: you do realise that top doesn't take into account CPU-throttling? | 02:10 |
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| SinofEnvy[] | hi guys, does anyone know if that app Flashlight (now in devel I think) uses torch mode or full blown flash? | 02:11 |
| SinofEnvy[] | dont wanna burn my leds :p or is it safe either way? | 02:11 |
| GAN900 | Babel0, no. | 02:12 |
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| GAN900 | SinofEnvy, who's the maintainer? | 02:12 |
| BabelO | GAN900: hm ok | 02:12 |
| Dr_Cain | crashanddie: cpu was att 100% load from the flash crap | 02:12 |
| SinofEnvy[] | uhhh... no clue | 02:12 |
| SinofEnvy[] | let me try and find out | 02:13 |
| GAN900 | Well, the package will tell you. | 02:13 |
| Dr_Cain | nobody likes pulseaudio | 02:13 |
| SinofEnvy[] | yes sec | 02:13 |
| Dr_Cain | it's a piece of garbage tbh | 02:13 |
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| Dr_Cain | would be nice if we could replace it with oss4 or something | 02:13 |
| GAN900 | lol | 02:13 |
| GAN900 | I'm so tired of people bitching about Pulse. | 02:14 |
| Dr_Cain | never gets old :P | 02:14 |
| SinofEnvy[] | gan900; some Roman Moravcik | 02:14 |
| SinofEnvy[] | dno who that is o_O | 02:14 |
| Dr_Cain | also, is powertop what I think it is? | 02:14 |
| GAN900 | FYI, Pulse does filtering to protect the speakers. | 02:16 |
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| Dr_Cain | hmm | 02:16 |
| Dr_Cain | from clipping? | 02:16 |
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| GAN900 | Low freqs can damage them. | 02:18 |
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| lopz | hi | 02:18 |
| GAN900 | Anyway, 16% doesn't tell you what speed the CPU is running. | 02:18 |
| Dr_Cain | yeah I'll check cpuinfo next time | 02:19 |
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| BabelO | can someone told me why my .changes file is not auto generated ? | 02:26 |
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| pupnik | http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/ accelerated theora on n900 dsp (old) in case u missed | 02:40 |
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| TurboMan | hey sup maemo dudes | 02:54 |
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| TurboMan | i wanna get N900 what about the battery life | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Depends. | 02:55 |
| TurboMan | how long does it last for a normal usage, you know less phone calls and like 2.5-3 hours of browsing | 02:55 |
| AakashPatel | It's good :P | 02:55 |
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| AakashPatel | Does this thing have dual mics? | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, ssh'd into it over wifi - >25 hours | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 02:56 |
| AakashPatel | darned | 02:56 |
| TurboMan | i just dunno why nokia didn`t make it 1500 mAh :/ | 02:56 |
| AakashPatel | It still records sound real good though | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | TurboMan: because at some point mAh is irrelevant | 02:56 |
| simula | i love the battery life | 02:56 |
| TurboMan | SpeedEvil i had the normal N95 | 02:56 |
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| simula | whole day for normal usage - wifi / browsing | 02:56 |
| TurboMan | i got the 8GB | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | TurboMan: and making the device larger and heavier is outweighed by that | 02:56 |
| TurboMan | its night and day diffirence !! | 02:57 |
| kynky | also nokia used existing bl-5j | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | 1200 vs 1500 is not really very large | 02:57 |
| TurboMan | 950 vs 1200 | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | night and day, for a 20% diff? | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | 15% | 02:57 |
| TurboMan | YEAH beliveme :p | 02:57 |
| simula | just buy a second battery... they're $25 | 02:57 |
| kynky | carry a small portable power pack with you :) | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't. | 02:57 |
| TurboMan | well maybe i was on an very early firmware | 02:57 |
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| TurboMan | they really got the battery improved on the original N95 | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | For just browsing, and phone calls, the battery life is very good | 02:58 |
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| kynky | its amazing the diff between linux and symbian ;) | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - but vast improvements on battery life did not come out of the 15% increase in battery. | 02:58 |
| Dr_Cain | unless you get the wifi bug :p | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | They come out of the software doing powersaving better | 02:58 |
| Dr_Cain | then you can drain it in a few hours | 02:59 |
| TurboMan | thanks god i waited and i didn`t buy the iphone :p | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never seen that. | 02:59 |
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| TurboMan | i was about to order one of the linux phones like Garmin G60 or NeoRunner | 02:59 |
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| TurboMan | but no way in hell i can compare them to the N900 | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Neo Freerunner you mean | 03:00 |
| TurboMan | lol yeah that one | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | The FRs hardware is somewhat dated now. | 03:00 |
| Milo- | the pen-thingy makes an absolutely brilliant coffee stirrer | 03:00 |
| GAN900 | "somewhat" | 03:01 |
| TurboMan | the only drawback i see now for N900 the GPS is useless :1 | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | A 7 euro stirrer :/ | 03:01 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs nokia in the face. | 03:01 | |
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| GAN900 | TurboMan, howso? | 03:01 |
| simula | hahah | 03:01 |
| TurboMan | is there any good GPS app for linux ? | 03:01 |
| pupnik | assisted gps is real fast | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean, including a spare in the box will cost them _literally_ $.05 | 03:01 |
| GAN900 | Maemo Mapper | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | assisted GPS is fast in some conditions. | 03:01 |
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| kynky | TurboMan, cygnit releasing app very much like tomtom soon | 03:02 |
| GAN900 | Sygic is releasing a port sometime soon. | 03:02 |
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| TurboMan | nothing beats garmin mobile XT :/ | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | tomtom could even drop a port on it very easily | 03:02 |
| TurboMan | i wish that it was avialable in linux | 03:02 |
| Milo- | silly supertux won't work :( | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | 'available in linux' is somewhat of a misnomer. | 03:03 |
| Milo- | arrow down is missing | 03:03 |
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| TurboMan | err for linux lol | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Just because you can get some on a desktop linux box - and you can probably run windows tomtom through wine - you can't run it on a phone | 03:03 |
| TurboMan | its 4 am here and i`m still awake | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Same for - say - skype video | 03:03 |
| pupnik | games need to add keymapping | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Or flash 10 | 03:04 |
| Milo- | is there anyone here who is able to tell me how the supertux is supposed to be controlled? | 03:04 |
| kynky | flash10 soon though | 03:04 |
| Milo- | up and down aren't working | 03:04 |
| TurboMan | everything is possible in linux world | 03:04 |
| TurboMan | it just needs time i know | 03:04 |
| pupnik | what language device Milo- | 03:04 |
| Milo- | finnish | 03:04 |
| Milo- | I can see the up and down arrow | 03:05 |
| Milo- | but they don't do a thing :/ | 03:05 |
| pupnik | that is a bug | 03:05 |
| TurboMan | the most thing i am excited about not just the Maemo OS the Project Mer | 03:05 |
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| Dr_Cain | Milo-: change keyboard layout to english before starting the game | 03:05 |
| TurboMan | i wish half of the people around the world gets N900 to push the develompent of Project Mer | 03:05 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders talk when half the world gets a n900. | 03:06 | |
| pupnik | help make n900 apps better, sell more | 03:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | At the moment talk is comprised of the self-selected smart people that saught out a linux phone. | 03:06 |
| * SpeedEvil can't work out how to spell that word. | 03:07 | |
| * SpeedEvil needs some love. | 03:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | gloves | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | though that too | 03:07 |
| TurboMan | when the iphone 1st lunched there wasn`t that manny apps for it | 03:07 |
| TurboMan | its still too early to judge about missing apps on maemo | 03:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | much | 03:08 |
| Milo- | Dr_Cain I have to restart my phone to play a game? :po | 03:09 |
| Milo- | :o | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | There are maybe 5-6 apps that look useful. | 03:09 |
| simula | list your 5-6 favorite apps speedevil :) | 03:09 |
| TurboMan | what keeps the iphone so special too is the ability of upgrading the OS | 03:09 |
| Dr_Cain | Milo-: shouldn't have to restart for a simple keyboard layout change? | 03:09 |
| nomis | mpf. Right now I could use a tempo-adjust (without changing pitch) in the media player. Why haven't the nokia engineers thought about the exercising musician! | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | simula: I mean of general interest | 03:09 |
| TurboMan | Symbian phone = you stuck with an outdated os whenever a new phone is out | 03:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | simula: though I'm not really sure tha'ts quite relevant | 03:10 |
| Milo- | Dr_Cain settings -> language & region ->? | 03:10 |
| pupnik | nomis, mplayer has varispeed | 03:10 |
| TurboMan | sometimes the hardware are the exact same | 03:10 |
| Dr_Cain | Milo-: I think it's under text input | 03:10 |
| Milo- | ah, found it :) | 03:11 |
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| jaem | morning folks | 04:23 |
| jaem | this showed up on Hack a Day today... it looks interesting (aside from the fact that a real distro would need to get ported) http://www.hardkernel.com/index.html | 04:24 |
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| jaem | if I could afford it, I'd be all over it | 04:24 |
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| AakashPatel | damn freenode | 04:25 |
| jaem | lol | 04:25 |
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| JoshTriplett | Hi. Does any means exist to extract the rootfs from an N900 over USB? | 04:29 |
| JoshTriplett | The flasher doesn't seem to have an option to read *from* the device, just to write *to* the device. | 04:29 |
| JoshTriplett | My N900 wedged itself (bug 6350), and before I blindly reflash it, I wanted to try to extract the image it has to figure out what went wrong. | 04:30 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 random reboot bricks device | 04:30 |
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| Maiku | hi, I'm trying out maemo 5 in scratchbox and it seems like something is lacking or it's not configured properly. I've been trying to work on some telepathy stuff with it, but there's no jabber account option, just a GTalk one. Also I've tried installing a few programs and they don't appear anywhere I can find. Is this normal? | 04:31 |
| Maiku | I also haven't found a way to set your account status, but I would imagine that's me not finding where to do it. | 04:32 |
| JoshTriplett | Maiku: Do you mean programmatically, or do you mean in the UI? | 04:34 |
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| Maiku | the UI | 04:34 |
| Maiku | I did manage to do it with mc-tool, but I'm thinking that's not the intended way ;) | 04:34 |
| JoshTriplett | Maiku: Normally, you'd find and change your presence status by tapping the clock/notification area. | 04:34 |
| Klowner | woooohoo! Mic works | 04:35 |
| Maiku | JoshTriplett: does the NotificationArea package need to be installed in that case? | 04:35 |
| JoshTriplett | Maiku: Probably. ;) | 04:35 |
| JoshTriplett | Maiku: Perhaps you lack some key UI components? | 04:35 |
| JoshTriplett | Maiku: That would also explain the lack of application menu. | 04:35 |
| Maiku | such as meta-package-esque? | 04:35 |
| JoshTriplett | Perhaps. | 04:36 |
| JoshTriplett | I'd poke around and figure out which ones, if my phone currently consented to boot. :/ | 04:36 |
| Maiku | well I have the button in the upper left for task switching/opening | 04:36 |
| Maiku | by the way I had this scratchbox install from OS2008, and used the GUI installer for the sdk etc if that helps at all | 04:37 |
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| JoshTriplett | Maiku: You might consider making a new install for OS2009. | 04:38 |
| JoshTriplett | I don't know that you can upgrade. | 04:38 |
| Maiku | it's a new target.. or do you mean the base system | 04:38 |
| derf | You can upgrade. | 04:39 |
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| Maiku | er base scratchbox | 04:39 |
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| Klowner | ooh invisible shield has 50% off sale, sweeet | 04:42 |
| Klowner | good thing I waited | 04:42 |
| Klowner | (then tomorrow when I gouge my N900 screen I'll be screaming "WHY DID I WAIT?") | 04:43 |
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| Maiku | hmm the notification area package I was referring to is in maemo extras devel.. I wouldn't imagine it would come from there? o.o | 04:47 |
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| jebba | JoshTriplett: check out 0xFFFF the free software flasher. It recently added code for n900. You need to get it from hg (mercurial) | 04:50 |
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| microlith | ok, fresh reflash. no extras, no 3rd party apps. Only stuff (1 app) from the core repo. | 04:50 |
| microlith | so goes the next day | 04:50 |
| JoshTriplett | jebba: Hmmm! I hadn't seen any recent activity on that, but nice. Do you know if it has that particular function, of reading stuff back out? (I'd tend to guess not, given that it requires support on the bootloader side which may not exist, but maybe...) | 04:50 |
| microlith | (thankfully, /home survives a reflash | 04:51 |
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| jebba | i dont know if it supports that function, but i did look at the source code to 0xFFFF in the last day or two and saw that he had patched it since i looked at it 10 days ago or so and it had lots more n900 specific. | 04:51 |
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| JoshTriplett | jebba: I'll grab it and take a look. | 04:52 |
| jebba | JoshTriplett: hg clone http://hg.youterm.com/0xFFFF | 04:52 |
| JoshTriplett | Thanks! | 04:52 |
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| microlith | oh freenode, what fun you are | 04:58 |
| jebba | microlith: i haven't tried it, but did you try the built-in stock Backup/Restore program? | 04:59 |
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| jebba | since you have a "fresh" device you can try out my kernel which displays the console on boot ;) | 04:59 |
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| microlith | jebba: haven't, might, dunno about loading alternative kernels | 05:00 |
| microlith | and my issue isn't on boot thus far | 05:00 |
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| microlith | except when it decides to fail to boot entirely :( | 05:00 |
| microlith | but a reflash fixes it for some reason | 05:00 |
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| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Installing_my_custom_kernel should you decide to get adventurous. Not many changes at all. | 05:02 |
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| jebba | I may put NAT, perhaps SMB/CIF, and a few other things in there at some point, but right now it's very close to stock. | 05:02 |
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| microlith | cool | 05:02 |
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| microlith | actually SMB/CIF would be awesome | 05:02 |
| jebba | same source tree as upstream 2.6.28 | 05:02 |
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| microlith | I have a couple people at work trying to get me to install the ksm patches and see how that goes | 05:03 |
| jebba | SMB/CIF makes me want to puke a bit, but i know people would really want it. I'm pretty surprised it isn't in there. But no one has packaged samba either. I know little about that though, not being a winblz user. | 05:03 |
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| jebba | KSM for memory? | 05:03 |
| microlith | yeah | 05:03 |
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| jebba | odd | 05:03 |
| microlith | they're doing crazy memory hacks for android to cut RAM usage | 05:03 |
| jebba | that's usually for KVM and such, no? I just enabled that today on some kvm machines | 05:04 |
| microlith | right | 05:04 |
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| jebba | /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/ | 05:04 |
| microlith | but it's part of their little ball of memory software they've been working on | 05:04 |
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| microlith | unfortunately a chunk of it is closed-source, so I'm not terribly interested | 05:05 |
| jebba | i tried to build a linux-2.6.32-omap1 kernel earlier today but the build failed at the last linking step for some missing symbols. I didnt research it further. I did build a linux-omap git HEAD kernel, but that crashed & burned hard a few days ago. | 05:05 |
| jebba | KSM is in the stock kernel nowadays. I used it in 2.6.32.1 when i was building that today. | 05:06 |
| naxxatoe | i am bored | 05:06 |
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| naxxatoe | :/ | 05:06 |
| microlith | oh cool, there's /proc/bootreason | 05:06 |
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| microlith | which reminds me that I should backup my vmware image, and grab vmware fusion for my mac | 05:06 |
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| microlith | ok, restore from backup worked | 05:07 |
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| ml-N900 | xchat has a bug... | 05:21 |
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| Maiku | can someone tell me what package /usr/bin/rtcom-call-ui is in and/or which repo that package is from? | 05:38 |
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| cleary | Maiku: dpkg -S rtcom-call-ui | 05:43 |
| * Maiku doesn't have it. that's why I'm asking | 05:43 | |
| swc|666 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/rtcom-call-ui-l10n-enus/ ?? | 05:44 |
| cleary | in that case, you can try apt-file | 05:44 |
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| * cleary doesn't have a device, so no idea whether this is provided | 05:44 | |
| Maiku | I'm doing this in scratchbox :P | 05:44 |
| antezz | hi guys :) | 05:44 |
| cleary | can you install apt-file? | 05:44 |
| cleary | apt-file update; apt-file search rtcom-call-ui | 05:45 |
| Maiku | unmet dependencies :/ | 05:45 |
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| jebba | anilg: Call dh_installdocs with --noscripts, or it will just overwrite /opt with /usr FYI | 05:50 |
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| Maiku | crud, they're both on "maemo 5 device root file system" "repository" | 05:51 |
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| jebba | $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/rtcom-call-ui | 05:52 |
| jebba | rtcom-call-ui: /usr/bin/rtcom-call-ui | 05:52 |
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| Maiku | thanks :) | 05:56 |
| jebba | btw, you have to specify the full path with dpkg -S | 05:56 |
| cleary | jebba: no you don't, unless it's a maemo specific thing | 05:57 |
| Maiku | that package is still unaccessible to me from scratchbox though :/ | 05:57 |
| Maiku | oh well | 05:57 |
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| jebba | cleary: ah ya, cleary is correct. That's just true with rpm -qf ... sry | 05:59 |
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| jebba | Maiku: it's not in mine either, nor in apt-cache and i have a "lot" of repos enabled. It is almost certainly one of Nokia's binaries, which you need to enable. | 06:00 |
| jebba | if you want their non-free shiite | 06:00 |
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| Maiku | in scratchbox? I have the nokia binaries repo thing | 06:01 |
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| jebba | ya, in scratchbox. Well, then i'm not sure. | 06:02 |
| jebba | i dont have it either, fwiw | 06:02 |
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| nezb | hey | 06:13 |
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| nezb | anyone here have any cool webapp ideas? | 06:26 |
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| johnx | m00f | 06:32 |
| swc|666 | how accurate is amazon for their ETA's / Delivery estimates? Like close, waaaaay off or..? | 06:33 |
| swc|666 | random? | 06:33 |
| nezb | they roll two dice | 06:34 |
| johnx | then they throw those dice out and carefully choose the number most likely to keep you from canceling your order | 06:35 |
| swc|666 | yea | 06:35 |
| nezb | anyone here have any cool webapp ideas? | 06:37 |
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| Macer | anybody here use irssi with jabber | 06:37 |
| warpatch | swc: amazon was earlier than they expected in my case...thankfully | 06:38 |
| ShadowJK | I guess for n900 the issue is the supply constraint | 06:40 |
| warpatch | wish i could find my q3 cd. i need those pk3 files | 06:40 |
| warpatch | pro | 06:40 |
| nezb | what do you think of the google nexus one? | 06:40 |
| warpatch | probably.. | 06:40 |
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| nezb | goddamnit I keep getting netslpits | 06:48 |
| nezb | brb | 06:48 |
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| johnx | nezb, freenode is having issues today. it's not just you | 06:50 |
| nezb | I thought we fixed IRC after all these years, I remember why I stopped using it | 06:50 |
| johnx | yeah, I'm going to fire up my talkd server tonight :) | 06:51 |
| nezb | lol >_> | 06:51 |
| nezb | I just prefer to: sudo wall | 06:51 |
| nezb | sure it pisses off all the users logged in but it gets the message across | 06:52 |
| johnx | yeah. but sometimes I actually want a response to my question, without needing to hand everyone root access | 06:52 |
| nezb | my philosophy is that if they're not root, then I don't care about their response | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | johnx: you don't need root access to wall | 06:53 |
| nezb | depends on the system ^ | 06:53 |
| johnx | luke-jr, uhm, doesn't that involve writing into everyone's tty? | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | johnx: and by default, ttys are all ugo+w | 06:54 |
| nezb | yes, it does. it depends on the security level of the system. for example mac os x lets you use wall by default as a regular user | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | nezb: perhaps, but on most *nix OS, at least | 06:54 |
| nezb | also debian has wall enabled for all users by default also | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | and Gentoo | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | and CentOS | 06:54 |
| nezb | and debian | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | and pretty much everything XD | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | you already said Debian | 06:55 |
| nezb | ubuntu | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | hehe | 06:55 |
| nezb | oops lol | 06:55 |
| nezb | augh IRC. hold on.... | 06:55 |
| ShadowJK | they still haven't been able to spec an irc3 that would be resistant to internet outages :/ | 06:55 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: erm, IRC is a deprecated protocol | 06:55 |
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| luke-jr | it already has a viable replacement | 06:55 |
| nezb | and that is? | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | FreeNode just doesn't support XMPP yet | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | neither does Konversation :/ | 06:56 |
| ShadowJK | Some people would say SILC is the replacement :-) | 06:56 |
| ShadowJK | or was it slic.. | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | XMPP MUC supports everything IRC does | 06:56 |
| nezb | I prefer AIM chat rooms | 06:56 |
| nezb | :P | 06:56 |
| johnx | so, pretend I'm dumb: I'd be looking at the ownership of /dev/pts/? | 06:56 |
| johnx | right? | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | nezb: fail | 06:56 |
| johnx | ownership/permissions I should say | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | johnx: /dev/pts/* IIRC | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | wait no | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | that's pty | 06:57 |
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| luke-jr | not tty | 06:57 |
| johnx | right. most of my users are on ssh, so that's a pty, right? | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | meh, I'm not sure where it is anymore | 06:57 |
| nezb | I'm on ssh and wall can still write to my console | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | 1 sec, lemme look | 06:57 |
| * johnx thankfully doesn't support many shell users at work | 06:57 | |
| nezb | ssh is on pts/1 for my session right now | 06:58 |
| johnx | 'w' should tell me, right? | 06:58 |
| nezb | yes it should | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | ok, looks like it's just ug+w, with tty group | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | on CentOS and Gentoo | 06:58 |
| johnx | so unless wall is setuid root or setgid tty, i can't wall ssh users | 06:59 |
| nezb | what a shame lol | 06:59 |
| johnx | wall is setgid tty :) | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | johnx: you're not group tty? | 06:59 |
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| johnx | DocScrutinizer-8, nope. | 07:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | anyway ???ix perms and acl is a real fun | 07:01 |
| nezb | fs sa rlidwka | 07:02 |
| johnx | what seems fun is bidding on Amazon EC2 time :) | 07:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | tbh I never completely wrapped my head around which permissions user needs to set permissions | 07:04 |
| nezb | netsplits make me cry | 07:04 |
| nezb | -_- | 07:04 |
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| johnx | when nezb cries, netsplits happen | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer-8: afaik, only the owner can set permissions period | 07:05 |
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| nezb | johnx: correlation does not imply causation | 07:05 |
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| nezb | OH GOD IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN | 07:05 |
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| johnx | we'll just have to sign in with their nicks and pretend they're still around | 07:06 |
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| nezb | that explains why I didn't have to identify to nickserv | 07:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | nezb: huh? | 07:07 |
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| johnx | I mean, why do you think 90% of the people here are so quiet? | 07:07 |
| nezb | Doc: when I first connected NickServ didn't complain about nezb already being registered | 07:07 |
| nezb | johnx: because they are lurking ... | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | not even lurking | 07:08 |
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| nezb | just sitting and taking up bandwidth | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yep ;-) | 07:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | nezb: if they were not, you couldn't stand that massive bandwidth impact on you | 07:10 |
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| nezb | ? | 07:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | nezb: your /dev/null would run hot ;-) | 07:11 |
| nezb | my /dev/null is full of nulls | 07:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | even if you'd clean it every minute | 07:11 |
| nezb | I try to empty it but it keeps getting full again | 07:11 |
| nezb | every time I write to it I can never get the files back because these nulls keep getting in the way | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | see? | 07:12 |
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| nezb | now I just write to /dev/urandom | 07:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | heh ;-) | 07:12 |
| johnx | watch out though. if it gets to random in there it'll overflow into /dev/random...and if that fills up /dev/zero will start producing '1's | 07:13 |
| nezb | I have /dev/negativeone for overflows | 07:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | anybody here on opensuse? yesterday's kernel security update (might be some days older though) messed my initrd it seems :-/ | 07:16 |
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| johnx | sure you didn't just run out of space in /boot ? | 07:17 |
| johnx | had that happen on an rhel box ... | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm | 07:17 |
| nezb | df -h | 07:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | boot says 'wrong filesystem' OWTTE | 07:18 |
| johnx | that's a new one :) | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | nezb: first I need a shell that takes a few commands | 07:18 |
| nezb | can you get to GRUB? or boot a Linux live CD? | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | "invalid root fs - exiting to /bin/sh" | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | grub yes. | 07:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | boot live CD no :-S drive of laptop borked | 07:20 |
| nezb | boot USB? | 07:20 |
| nezb | boot floppy distro? | 07:20 |
| johnx | live-usb | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | that's next to try | 07:21 |
| nezb | or even netboot if you have to | 07:21 |
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| nezb | (maybe put the hard drive in another computer as a slave disk) | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | anyway rather fuckup the AUTO update kills the system :-(((( | 07:22 |
| nezb | yeah that is pretty bad | 07:22 |
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| johnx | though I usually find netboot to be giant PITA, I've been eager to try: boot.kernel.org | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | cya. need food | 07:22 |
| nezb | boot over HTTP!? wow | 07:22 |
| johnx | heh. /join'ing #freenode gets me to ##overflow :) | 07:24 |
| johnx | must suck to be a #freenode staff member today... | 07:25 |
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| swc|666 | Macer, try mcabber for jabber | 07:30 |
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| [AB] | Is there anyone here who can answer a quick question for me about maemo 2008 on an N810 | 07:35 |
| johnx | I can try | 07:35 |
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| [AB] | I've noticed that only a few apps ask where to be installed (internal, internal SD, external SD). Is there any place I can set the default or at least force the next or current install to my desired location? | 07:36 |
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| johnx | [AB], no way to change it, except by booting from sd card | 07:37 |
| [AB] | Really. What does that involve? | 07:37 |
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| johnx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 07:38 |
| [AB] | That is just fantastic. | 07:38 |
| johnx | basically moving over all your files and programs, and configuring the bootmenu | 07:38 |
| johnx | might want to backup any important data before trying it ;) | 07:39 |
| [AB] | I was thinking of just wiping and starting fresh. | 07:39 |
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| johnx | even better | 07:39 |
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| [AB] | Until I just found the getroot package I had only used it as a terminal. | 07:39 |
| johnx | then you can use the OS installed to the internal flash as a "rescue" mode for the OS installed to the internal or external SD | 07:40 |
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| [AB] | Thanks for the help. | 07:41 |
| Macer | I GOT IT! | 07:41 |
| Macer | Dollhouse... it's ghost in the shell! | 07:42 |
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| |R | Ovi - sign up is borked... heh | 07:45 |
| johnx | "Ovi ... is borked" <- fixed it for you :) | 07:46 |
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| |R | :P | 07:49 |
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| johnx | The N900Fly app is kind of awesome :D | 07:58 |
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| Macer | well. learning all types of neat new things about irssi :) | 08:12 |
| Macer | finally got the jabber shit working. awesome | 08:12 |
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| [AB] | Why does my N810 always say I have 0mb of free swap? Is it supposed to be that way or have I screwed something up? | 08:27 |
| johnx | did you enable virtual memory or not? | 08:27 |
| johnx | if not, then yeah, "0 MB" is the right number :) | 08:27 |
| [AB] | Ha | 08:27 |
| [AB] | Well I dont remember doing it. | 08:27 |
| [AB] | You know, now that I think about it. | 08:27 |
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| [AB] | I think I get an error message when I try to enable it. | 08:28 |
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| johnx | bummer. having any other problem with your "internal SD" card? | 08:28 |
| johnx | and/or is it almost full? | 08:28 |
| pwnguin | so i'm guessing the telepathy-idle thing just idles on an IRC server? | 08:28 |
| [AB] | havent noticed any issues with it but I've only got 70meg of free internal mem. | 08:29 |
| luke-jr | pwnguin: pretty much, unless you /msg it | 08:29 |
| luke-jr | [AB]: you don't want swap on internal SD | 08:29 |
| johnx | ...unless you're getting lots of "out of memory" messages | 08:29 |
| [AB] | I had a 2gig miniSD card that I tried to enable the swap on but I remember it erroring out. | 08:30 |
| luke-jr | johnx: then you get a MiniSD card | 08:30 |
| [AB] | And now for the life of me I cant find the miniSD card | 08:30 |
| luke-jr | [AB]: fwiw, N810 *cannot* use more than 256 MB swap | 08:30 |
| luke-jr | so no point making it bigger | 08:30 |
| [AB] | Ok. Good info. | 08:30 |
| johnx | luke-jr, it's faster for sure, but if it's not like it's a problem to use it on the "internal" card | 08:31 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: until it destroys it | 08:31 |
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| luke-jr | MiniSD can be tossed in the trash and replaced | 08:31 |
| johnx | I used to worry about stuff like that, but after 6 years and not a single SD card killed that way, I stopped worrying too much | 08:31 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, why can't it use more? | 08:32 |
| ShadowJK | Now I want to try prove you worng ;p | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: by the time you swap that much, the watchdog suffers enough to force a reboot | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: compile qt-webkit to hit it | 08:32 |
| johnx | (unless you change your swappiness) | 08:32 |
| johnx | but if you're compiling you should enable lots of swap and disable watchdog | 08:32 |
| ali1234 | watchdog isn't supposed to trip under "heavy load" you know | 08:33 |
| johnx | (and yes, I know why *you* won't disable watchdog, luke-jr) | 08:33 |
| ali1234 | it's supposed to detect total lockup | 08:33 |
| luke-jr | ali1234: there is virtually no difference at that point | 08:33 |
| johnx | ali1234, but if the process that 'kicks' it every 60 seconds doesn't get a chance to run in its allotted window, the devce reboots | 08:33 |
| luke-jr | ali1234: even console mode is unusable | 08:33 |
| ali1234 | if you can trip it just by swapping a lot that's a bug | 08:33 |
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| luke-jr | ali1234: well, N810 is full of unfixable bugs thanks to Nokia | 08:34 |
| luke-jr | the watchdog is one of the more tolerable ones | 08:34 |
| ali1234 | if swapping is preventing the watchdog from being reset for 60 seconds that's a bug | 08:34 |
| luke-jr | ... | 08:34 |
| luke-jr | ali1234: you must not swap much | 08:34 |
| ali1234 | though i doubt that is the case | 08:34 |
| luke-jr | even on my desktop, it can get that bad | 08:35 |
| johnx | luke-jr, to be fair, I never hit that issue either | 08:35 |
| luke-jr | though on my desktop, it's closer to 4/5 GB swap | 08:35 |
| ali1234 | really? swapping locks all other kernel activity for 60 seconds? | 08:35 |
| luke-jr | ali1234: watchdog on N810 is not kernel-level | 08:35 |
| ShadowJK | I think it's much shorter than 60sec | 08:35 |
| johnx | ali1234, it's more like 10 seconds I think | 08:35 |
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| luke-jr | ali1234: N810's watchdog is kicked by a proprietary userland blob | 08:36 |
| ali1234 | lol | 08:36 |
| angelixd | hey, has anyone tried getting a modern perl (>= 5.10) working on the n900? | 08:36 |
| ali1234 | no wonder it crashes then | 08:36 |
| johnx | huh? you just echo into some file in /sys I thought | 08:36 |
| ali1234 | that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard :) | 08:36 |
| ShadowJK | The watchdog kicker isn't locked in memory. It gets swapped out like all other processes, and if it takes too long to swap it back in when it's due to kick the watchdog, well then the hardware watchdog resets | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | ali1234: and there's no way to fix it without losing at least WiFi and GPS | 08:36 |
| ShadowJK | You could probably make a mlock wrapper around it :) | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: hmm, that's an idea | 08:37 |
| johnx | or you could just *disable* it entirely, through flasher | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | workaround tho, not a fix | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | johnx: tbh, I want it to reboot by that time | 08:37 |
| ali1234 | i'm sure there is. can't you just compile a module against nokia's kernel to do the same thing? | 08:37 |
| ShadowJK | well, the issue isn't that the watchdog kicker is buggy, the issue is that flash is fucking slow for swapping :) | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | typing a letter when it swaps that much takes over a minute | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | in console mode | 08:37 |
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| luke-jr | ali1234: hmm, *possibly* | 08:38 |
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| ShadowJK | luke-jr, btw, I have some tweaks but I'm not sure if they're anything more than placebo. Wanna try? | 08:38 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: ? | 08:38 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: Gentoo on N810 is no longer possible, so can't. | 08:38 |
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| ShadowJK | echo 8 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests | 08:38 |
| ShadowJK | echo 8 > /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests | 08:38 |
| ShadowJK | and then renice kicker to -20 or something | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: Gentoo on N810 is no longer possible, so can't. | 08:39 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect it'd work better with a kernel that uses CFQ scheduler | 08:39 |
| ShadowJK | gentoo requires newest kernel? | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo requires at least 2.6.27 or so now | 08:39 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 08:40 |
| johnx | luke-jr, are you sure the watchdog kicker is actually proprietary? | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | well | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | not even Gentoo necessarily, but udev | 08:40 |
| ShadowJK | Anyway, the idea was to shorten the disk queue, so that the queue isn't longer than the watchdog timeout | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | johnx: it's not, but the native Linux watchdog implementation is for newer kernels | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | johnx: the Diablo kicker is, yes | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | johnx: it's called DSME | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | or something like that | 08:41 |
| ShadowJK | and that by renicing kicker, it'd jump to the wrong of the in-flight requests whenever it needed pages to be swapped in | 08:41 |
| johnx | you kick it by writing to /sys unless I'm very confused | 08:41 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, oh isn't it "kicker"? | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I don't recall seeing a process like that... o.O | 08:41 |
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| luke-jr | it's been a while | 08:41 |
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| ShadowJK | there is one | 08:42 |
| ShadowJK | How goes your serial port project? | 08:43 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I gave up | 08:44 |
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| ShadowJK | What did you use for coupling to the pads? | 08:44 |
| luke-jr | scotch tape? | 08:45 |
| luke-jr | in the case of the battery pads, gravity | 08:45 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 08:45 |
| luke-jr | maybe I should have tried gravity for the serial ones too <.< | 08:45 |
| luke-jr | oh! I know | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | I can have my children hold them in place | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 08:46 |
| ShadowJK | Do you still have the car holder? | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | yes | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | almost cracked my LCD trying to use it for that | 08:47 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | ... | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | do you think it would damage the eventual sale value if I soldered to it? | 08:48 |
| ShadowJK | dunno | 08:48 |
| luke-jr | I suppose there's no need to mention it.. | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | so long as I undo it and never short it | 08:49 |
| ShadowJK | Do you have access to some plywood, a saw, a drill, a number of screws equaling the amount of pads (and with the head being as big as the pad or smaller), same amount of short springs to put around the screws, two nuts for each screw, and some wire, and you could build yourself a replica mating adapter | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | no | 08:50 |
| johnx | maybe etsy has something like that :) with a picture of a vampire drawn on it even :D | 08:51 |
| johnx | grrr...zaurusfail | 08:52 |
| ShadowJK | The idea is that you drill holes through it in the same place as the pads, then put screw with spring through it, and a nut on the other side of the wood/plastic/whatever to hold it in place. The screw is free to move within a certain range, but is pushed out by the spring. Then the second nut is used to fasten wire between it and the first nut. You need to glue some extra bits of spacer onto the back of the plywood/whatever, so that the car holder's ba | 08:52 |
| ShadowJK | ck pushes it towards the n810 | 08:52 |
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| luke-jr | i do have access to felt, a hammer, screws, and a soldering iron | 08:52 |
| nezb | what are you building ShadowJK? | 08:52 |
| ShadowJK | nezb, oh I was just designing a debug adapter for n810 in my head | 08:53 |
| nezb | debug adapter? | 08:53 |
| ShadowJK | It's kinda hard to obtain the official nokia one, and it's probably insanely expensive | 08:53 |
| ShadowJK | nezb, behind the battery there are holes in the case exposing debug pads | 08:53 |
| ShadowJK | like serial port | 08:53 |
| nezb | ooh sweet | 08:53 |
| ShadowJK | But I have soldering allergy | 08:54 |
| ShadowJK | My last attempt at soldering stuff to pads, was to pads about 10 times as big, and it almost ended in shortcircuit | 08:54 |
| nezb | you can use wire glue ... http://www.thinkgeek.com/b70c/ ? | 08:54 |
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| luke-jr | OH | 08:55 |
| ShadowJK | Oh yeah, that'd be awesome too | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | I have | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | sticky letters | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | ! | 08:55 |
| ShadowJK | I couldn't find wire glue from anywhere more localish though | 08:56 |
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| ShadowJK | oh man, that glue is cheap too | 08:56 |
| nezb | how small are these pads? I only have an N800 | 08:56 |
| nezb | and 900, but I mean to look .... do you have a picture of the 810 pads? | 08:57 |
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| ShadowJK | hm | 08:57 |
| johnx | nezb, sure. I'll take a pic. do you want me to put something on the picture for a reference size? | 08:57 |
| ShadowJK | I'll take pic of the n810 usb pads | 08:57 |
| ShadowJK | oh or john | 08:58 |
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| johnx | the N810 just sits here doing nothing :/ least I can do with it | 08:58 |
| nezb | it doesn't matter, I can usually tell from the rest of the device but a ruler would be ok | 08:58 |
| nezb | I wish I had a cool idea for my N800 ... sits on my desk turned off now :( | 08:58 |
| antezz | nezb got any lasagna for me yet? | 08:58 |
| nezb | antezz: no I got taco bell like an hour ago though | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | hwh | 08:59 |
| antezz | grr | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | I didn't expect I'd get a consensus here | 08:59 |
| johnx | I was running some servers on my zaurus 5500, but its sd driver is unreliable, so I think I'll move them to my zaurus c1000 | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | when I say "N810 is useless" :p | 08:59 |
| nezb | N8x0 useless now that I have N900 :D | 08:59 |
| * johnx takes a pic of his n810 with his n900 :) | 08:59 | |
| nezb | if Android ran better on it then I would make it an Android dev platform | 08:59 |
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| nezb | johnx: take a picture of your n770 with an n800 with an n810 and take a pic of that with an n900 | 09:00 |
| * ShadowJK takes picture with E75, n900 camera blinks the flash at full power and whites out the entire frame and then fails to focus | 09:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: ever had a look at pogopins? | 09:01 |
| johnx | I should do a shot of all my little linux gadgets actually :) no 770 though, and the N810 isn't really mine (thus limiting my hacking somewhat) | 09:01 |
| ShadowJK | pogopins? | 09:01 |
| nezb | ShadowJK: turn off flash? | 09:01 |
| ShadowJK | nezb, too dark | 09:02 |
| johnx | ShadowJK, ahahaha. same thing here :D | 09:02 |
| ShadowJK | and it still flashes the flash when it focuses | 09:02 |
| nezb | turn on a light ;p | 09:02 |
| ShadowJK | evne with flash turned off | 09:02 |
| ShadowJK | it'd be cool if n900 could take the picture, because then I could just scp it | 09:03 |
| ShadowJK | now I need to fish it out of E75 with N810's bluetooth | 09:03 |
| nezb | so the Nokia internet tablets didn't get the Nseries until after 770.. starting with N800? | 09:03 |
| johnx | yup | 09:03 |
| nezb | I just learned that | 09:03 |
| johnx | and it was kind of a big deal that Nokia called the N800 part of the N series | 09:04 |
| nezb | they knew they were eventually going to make a phone of it when they did that | 09:05 |
| johnx | IIRC, that was their tenative plan from the beginning, with various "bail-out" points if it didn't pan out | 09:06 |
| nezb | bail-out points? | 09:06 |
| johnx | http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnxx/4186458405 | 09:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: http://www.kita-mfg.com/products_e.html | 09:07 |
| nezb | those are the pads on the back panel, to the right of the "made in korea"? | 09:07 |
| johnx | as in, they wouldn't alienate their normal phone customers by shipping a linux tablet that wasn't quite ready for prime-time | 09:07 |
| nezb | oh, true | 09:07 |
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| nezb | soem people are complaining about the n900 not being up to par | 09:08 |
| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n810-usbpads.jpg <- Nokia E75's 3.2mpix camera > N900's 5mpix camera | 09:08 |
| johnx | nezb, the n900 is "step 4 of the 5 step plan" | 09:08 |
| nezb | yeah, I recall that. Maemo 6 is "step 5"? | 09:08 |
| nezb | capactive touch screens and fancy UI, etc | 09:08 |
| johnx | yeah, oddly enough :) | 09:08 |
| johnx | DRM, and carrier subsidies | 09:09 |
| Maiku | guess they started with step 0? | 09:09 |
| nezb | well because "step 2" has two versions of Maemo | 09:09 |
| nezb | 3 and 4 | 09:09 |
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| nezb | and IIRC the 770 has Maemo 2 for it also | 09:09 |
| nezb | was it even called Maemo back then? | 09:09 |
| johnx | yup | 09:10 |
| nezb | IT OS 2005...we have come a long way... still some more distance to cover though | 09:10 |
| johnx | it was somewhat ambiguous. the platform was "0S200x", the platform was called maemo. The community was called maemo and they also emphasized that maemo was an open source project | 09:11 |
| ShadowJK | So... anyone know of an easy way to rip out and replace the compiler in scratchbox? | 09:11 |
| johnx | but maemo the platform had closed source stuff, so maemo the platform != maemo the open source project | 09:11 |
| ShadowJK | {standard input}: Assembler messages: | 09:11 |
| ShadowJK | {standard input}:21: Error: bad instruction `vadd.i16 q0,q0,q0' | 09:11 |
| nezb | is Maemo even soemthing that can run on another phone besides a Nokia? | 09:11 |
| ShadowJK | no neon :-( | 09:11 |
| johnx | nezb, depends on what you mean by "maemo" :) | 09:11 |
| ShadowJK | Mer has a chance on the phones that at all aren't locked down to one OS | 09:12 |
| nezb | well what I mean is that some other phone out there can't run Maemo in the sense that we see multiple Android phones | 09:12 |
| nezb | so it's not really as "open"... | 09:12 |
| nezb | I can't just compile Fremantle on some other ARM platform (say, Pandora) and have it function the same | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | nezb: *nokia* easily could compile their proprietary maemo stuff for other non nokia platforms | 09:14 |
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| nezb | Doc: but I doubt they would do it for the Pandora | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | that's not been your quwstion | 09:14 |
| johnx | heh. won't need a recompile for the pandora technically ... | 09:15 |
| johnx | nezb, the platform: yes for the most part. all the apps nokia builds on it: not so much | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | johnx: but some other drivers prolly | 09:15 |
| nezb | ah. see that's what I mean... Maemo isn't like a Linux distribution in the sense that we can just pick some hardware and load it on | 09:15 |
| nezb | isn't there a wiki page on which parts are closed off? I want to see | 09:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | nezb: technically you can't do that with *any* linux | 09:16 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer-8, right. but playing mix-n-match with pandora and n900 drivers should be all that hard ... | 09:16 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | you always need to adapt for the platform specifics | 09:17 |
| johnx | nezb, there is. dunno how up-to-date it is currently | 09:17 |
| johnx | and just like any linux distro: when you have two pieces of hardware that are very close, the task becomes easier | 09:17 |
| nezb | true... | 09:17 |
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| johnx | above: *shouldn't be all that hard | 09:17 |
| nezb | so which parts do nokia own? | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | batcharger | 09:18 |
| johnx | nezb, the user-facing apps | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | gfx accel | 09:18 |
| johnx | (techincally ImgTec owns that) | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | kk | 09:18 |
| nezb | johnx: that really sucks... so we can't have the Maemo "experience" on another device? | 09:19 |
| nezb | just the underpinnings are open source I presume? | 09:19 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | so I get it dialer is closed? :-( piss | 09:19 |
| johnx | the underpinnings, and some apps | 09:19 |
| johnx | but "just the underpinnings" is actually quite a lot of useful code to be sure | 09:19 |
| nezb | indeed it is good for hacking aroudn and stuff | 09:20 |
| nezb | but now I see why Mer doesn't have the same interface as Fremantle | 09:20 |
| johnx | yup, and once you get something stable, you can "fill in the blanks" | 09:20 |
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| johnx | it does now actually, just with a lot of icons missing ;) | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | I'd very much like to fix dialer/contacts as some details *suck* | 09:20 |
| nezb | last time I ran it was before I had the N900 | 09:20 |
| johnx | it didn't at first, because Nokia didn't release much of their source until they were close to release | 09:20 |
| nezb | ah | 09:21 |
| nezb | so since we don't have the source code to Mail / Contacts / SMS ... we can't improve on those? | 09:21 |
| johnx | mail is open | 09:21 |
| johnx | contacts and SMS are closed I think | 09:21 |
| johnx | though some of the libs they're built on are open | 09:21 |
| nezb | I don't like the mail client... | 09:21 |
| johnx | heh :) | 09:22 |
| nezb | the Contacts app needs some improvements | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yes!!!!!! | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | sigh | 09:22 |
| nezb | but we can't code them ourselves! | 09:22 |
| nezb | :( | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | why do I even TRY to mess with the N810 | 09:22 |
| johnx | openHand (o-hand.com) was working on a cool contacts app. very minimalist, but nice. but I think that suffered bit-rot | 09:22 |
| nezb | luke-jr because you are bored | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | nezb: I could be messing with the i.MX515 instead | 09:22 |
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| luke-jr | meh, screw that too | 09:25 |
| luke-jr | no video out in 10 seconds, I'm impatient | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | That's actually a major brainfuck of Nokia to not even open up the source of apps. I wouldn't care they don't GPL them | 09:26 |
| nezb | yeah :\ | 09:26 |
| ShadowJK | make a replacement one? :-) | 09:26 |
| johnx | yeah, they're getting better over time. it looks like a decision above the "maemo" team and part of "nokia corporate" | 09:26 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: can't replace drivers | 09:27 |
| ShadowJK | contacts | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | will you people please get drunk and settle this with a fight outside the bar like real men | 09:28 |
| nezb | drivers I can understand being closed source... fine it's their hardware... but Contacts/SMS/dialer? C'mon | 09:28 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, in high spirits today? | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | nezb: no, it's NOT their hardware >:O | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | it's MY hardware, I paid for it | 09:28 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, that'd be fun | 09:28 |
| nezb | they designed the hardware | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | nezb: irrelevant | 09:28 |
| nezb | meh. | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | I bought it | 09:28 |
| nezb | not a big hardware hacker. I mostly code things to "make life easier" (TM) | 09:29 |
| johnx | luke-jr, because you made the decision to give them money. don't like it? don't buy it. wait for some hardware that's perfect, and use your landline until then | 09:29 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: because it was marketted as open. false advertising ftl | 09:29 |
| johnx | caveat emptor | 09:29 |
| nezb | it is open, just depends on how open you define "it" to be | 09:30 |
| luke-jr | it isn't open | 09:30 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, did you complain to nokia care? :P | 09:30 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: never heard of it | 09:30 |
| nezb | it is open in the sense we can run our own code on the device... not like the super-closed iphone os | 09:30 |
| ShadowJK | it's customer support thingy | 09:30 |
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| johnx | ShadowJK, don't put too much effort into it: he lives in a cave | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | johnx: actually, I am currently caveless :( | 09:31 |
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| * luke-jr misses his basement | 09:31 | |
| johnx | luke-jr, back under the bridge? | 09:31 |
| nezb | I wish I had a basement | 09:31 |
| johnx | they don't really "do" basements around my area it seems | 09:31 |
| johnx | at least not in new houses | 09:31 |
| nezb | I am in a dorm room :\ | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | XD | 09:32 |
| * luke-jr wants a hobbit hole :p | 09:32 | |
| ShadowJK | anyone who's worked in a bigger company knows that employees telling management stuff doesn't work, customers have better chance pf getting through | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: seriously? O.o | 09:32 |
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| * luke-jr wonders if Nokia Care will offer to buy the N810 back... | 09:33 | |
| luke-jr | that might make it worth the time | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | lol | 09:33 |
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| nezb | lol if they do make sure to tell me! | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | XD | 09:33 |
| nezb | who wants to buy a barely used N800? | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | moin Stskeeps | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | if they do, they'll probably make me sign a NDA and not tell anyone.\ | 09:33 |
| nezb | never taken outside of my house... | 09:33 |
| johnx | luke-jr, tell them you bought an N810 and you're not buying an N900 becuase of your reasoning. that might help actually | 09:34 |
| adeus | management hears from emplyeess "blah blah blah expenses expenses", and from customers "blah blah botential loss of money" | 09:34 |
| zash | luke-jr: buy a shipping container and bury it | 09:34 |
| ShadowJK | adeus, exactly :) | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | johnx: eh, probably the biggest reason I'm not buying a N900 is really because GSM service is a ripoff tbh | 09:34 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, GSM is a rip-off? huh? | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | johnx: I was very close to buying a pair of OpenMoko phones a month ago, but then realized the service issue | 09:35 |
| nezb | T-mobile is like 1/2 the price of any carrier here. | 09:35 |
| johnx | because of crappy service in your area? | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | johnx: GSM service here is beyond affordable | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | luke-jr: seems *your* servecis is the right word | 09:35 |
| nezb | My AT&T bill was like $105/month... | 09:35 |
| nezb | T-mobile is $67 after taxes | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | $67 is way too much for a mere 5 GB/mo | 09:35 |
| nezb | unlimited 3.5G data ^ | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | uh | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | you mean 5 GB | 09:36 |
| nezb | nope. 3.5G with unlimited transfer | 09:36 |
| nezb | I am not kidding | 09:36 |
| johnx | pretty sure that in the contract it actually states a "cap" | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | I pay $30/mo for one of my dedicated servers, including 2500 GB/mo | 09:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer-8 sighs in relief. luke-jr with even *a couple of* FR. My nightmare | 09:36 | |
| nezb | nope. I have an unlimited plan. no cap. | 09:36 |
| johnx | luke-jr, that's totally not comparable and you know it :P | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer-8++ | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer-8: huh? | 09:37 |
| nezb | I have a dedicated server for free because I know the president of a hosting company =) | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | johnx: not 1:1, no. | 09:37 |
| * ShadowJK pays 38E per month + VAT for 5TB/month | 09:37 | |
| luke-jr | nezb: I wasn't counting that one. | 09:37 |
| nezb | hehe | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer-8: one was Neo1973... | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | luke-jr: those devices are still ten times as crappy as N900 | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer-8: I'm aware. | 09:38 |
| nezb | I agree. Barely usable as a phone. | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer-8: the idea was to pair it with a Pandora | 09:38 |
| nezb | The N900 is the most open *usable* phone/tablet device on the market tbh | 09:38 |
| ruskie | :) | 09:38 |
| nezb | key word is "most" | 09:38 |
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| luke-jr | nezb: supposedly Freerunner is "usable" now | 09:38 |
| nezb | at least we are getting there slowly | 09:38 |
| nezb | the Freerunner doesn't have 3G data though? | 09:38 |
| johnx | $40/month + fees sounds pretty reasonable for 500 minutes + some data ... | 09:39 |
| luke-jr | nezb: GSM is GSM? | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | another keyword is "useable" | 09:39 |
| nezb | HSDPA | 09:39 |
| johnx | I had a car that was usable as long as you started it on a hill and didn't want to roll the windows up or down | 09:39 |
| nezb | not all GSM phones support 10/2Mbit connections | 09:39 |
| ShadowJK | Now that I have some 3g coverage, I discover I don't even want to use 3g, except for downloading. I downloaded that fremantle sdk ubuntu vm yesterday | 09:39 |
| luke-jr | johnx: usually it's $40 on top of voice service | 09:39 |
| johnx | luke-jr, if you pay for their "smart-phone" plan, you're being silly | 09:40 |
| nezb | I am looking at T-mobile's website. It is $60 for 500 minutes + unlimited sms/data | 09:40 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think freerunner even has edge | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | johnx: um, non-data plans don't include data. | 09:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | no. FR is plain GPRS | 09:40 |
| johnx | luke-jr, buy it separately for $10 | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | johnx: you mean $40? | 09:41 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, look. I'll find you the link if you stop arguing with me for a sec | 09:41 |
| nezb | http://tinyurl.com/yazoo7u | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | johnx: :-D | 09:42 |
| nezb | adding data is $20/month | 09:42 |
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| johnx | wow. well, I guess I better not cancel my current plan | 09:42 |
| swc|666 | freerunner is 2.5G | 09:42 |
| johnx | it was $10/month like two months ago | 09:42 |
| luke-jr | johnx: LOL | 09:42 |
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| nezb | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner | 09:43 |
| nezb | Tri-band GSM and GPRS | 09:43 |
| ShadowJK | that's 2g not 2.5g then :) | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yep | 09:43 |
| nezb | yep... not even EDGE/2.5 | 09:43 |
| nezb | out of any phone on the market the N900 is the best compromise of open-ness and good hardware features | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | you should trust me at least on this topic ;-) | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | nezb: until Nokia decides to abandon it? | 09:44 |
| swc|666 | The GSM (including GPRS) modem is Texas Instruments Calypso based and supports 2.5G tri-band GPRS/GSM. The two available models support either the 850/1800/1900 MHz bands (suitable for USA), or 900/1800/1900 MHz band (suitable for rest of the world). | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ~docscrutinizer | 09:44 |
| nezb | luke-jr: why would they do that?? | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | nezb: why wouldn't they? | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | they did it for all prior models | 09:45 |
| ali1234 | thing is, even if nokia abandon it, it wouldn't be any worse than any other mobile phone ever made | 09:45 |
| nezb | what are you talking about, luke-jr? | 09:45 |
| ali1234 | so, even then, it would still be the best | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | nezb: Nokia stopped supporting N810 like a year ago | 09:45 |
| johnx | nezb, they won't bring maemo 6 to the N900 | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | and the remaining bugs still preclude sane usage | 09:46 |
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| nezb | so? we didn't buy the N900 to get Maemo 6 we got it to run Fremantle...I mean it would be nice to run 6 but it is not required of them | 09:46 |
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| nezb | plus they might release a "Hacker version" like they did for the 770... it's always possible | 09:46 |
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| luke-jr | nezb: I don't buy things to run specific software. | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | I buy things for the hardware. | 09:47 |
| nezb | I agree that Nokia could have done a better job at maintaining their software for older devices | 09:47 |
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| nezb | there is no reason we can't run Maemo 5 on the N8x0 except for Nokia not making it compatible | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | I want to run any arbitrary OS I feel like it | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | nezb: exactly. except for Nokia. | 09:48 |
| luke-jr | nezb: I'd like to run Gentoo on my N810, but that is no longer possible thanks to Nokia. | 09:48 |
| johnx | alright. you guys have fun. | 09:48 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: no, it's no longer possible due to your own religious belief | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ok. I hate these n.mG nonsense terms. Nevertheless GPRS *is* 2.5G http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5G | 09:48 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: religion has nothing to do with it | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: it darn well feels like that :P | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: it is impossible to run any kernel more recent than 2.6.21 without losing WiFi | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: want me to prove i can run gentoo just fine on my n810 so we can shoot your argument down? | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: Gentoo no longer supports ancient 2.6.21 | 09:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | swc|666: so you (the OM wiki) was right | 09:50 |
| ali1234 | so now it's nokia's fault that *gentoo* don't support old hardware? | 09:50 |
| nezb | you can't run Gentoo because of an incompatible kernel? | 09:50 |
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| nezb | that sounds like a source code problem with Gentoo | 09:50 |
| luke-jr | ali1234: it's Nokia's fault that that N810 code needs to be reverse engineered to write proper drivers, at the very least | 09:50 |
| johnx | oh, luke-jr, select a voice plan, and then click "services" and select "unlimited web" for $10 | 09:50 |
| luke-jr | nezb: no, the problem is that Nokia forces us to run an obsolete kernel | 09:51 |
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| swc|666 | DocScrutinizer-8, si .. i know the freerunner *well* | 09:51 |
| nezb | yeah. that does suck. | 09:51 |
| luke-jr | johnx: I can't even figure out how to select a voice plan... | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | either way this issue was fixed with n900. | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | no closed kernel drivers. | 09:51 |
| johnx | luke-jr, buttons on your screen: you click them | 09:51 |
| nezb | :-\ | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | swc|666: I'm supposed to know it as well XD | 09:51 |
| luke-jr | johnx: I see prices, but they aren't clickable | 09:51 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: doesn't help me | 09:51 |
| neopwn | afk | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: did you try to forward port cx3110x and umac.ko? | 09:52 |
| johnx | luke-jr, your browser and their site aren't seeing eye-to-eye. | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | it's entirely possible. | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | johnx: -.- | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i did it on 70 | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | 70 | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: forward port it to what? that only works so far | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: umac is just a library | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | even if it were done, still lose microphone | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | and only get to 2.6.30-rc8 | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | well that's due to kernel removing stuff | 09:53 |
| luke-jr | anything past 2.6.30-rc8 won't even begin booting | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | neopwn: you find my name p.1 of schematics ;-) | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | and that's nokia's fault how? | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:53 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: that's nokia's fault for makign the serial port impossible to use :( | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: schematics are out there to build such a thing. | 09:53 |
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| Stskeeps | and pinouts | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: pretty sure the pinouts are dead anyhow | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: errr.. no | 09:54 |
| johnx | (and I guarantee they didn't advertise it with an "easy to use serial console" :D ) | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | I used a pointy tool thing to touch them | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | no data came in | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: did you enable R&D mode and enabling serial console? | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | yes | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | I'm not stupid :p | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: also it's not a traditional rs232 | 09:55 |
| luke-jr | if you just mean tty levels, I know that | 09:55 |
| redeeman | johnx: so its known for sure they won't make maemo6 available on N900? | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | luke-jr: you implemented a max232 alike levelshifter as well? | 09:55 |
| luke-jr | my client is a Linksys WRT54G | 09:55 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer-8: no, my client has the same levels :D | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | k | 09:55 |
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| nezb | WRT54g: is there anything it can't do? | 09:56 |
| johnx | redeeman, they've said so, yes. but we also know that maemo 6 will be running on an omap3 powered device | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | nevertheless be carefull. often they're inverted | 09:56 |
| luke-jr | nezb: it can't run Linux proper <.< | 09:56 |
| redeeman | johnx: i hope there will be resistive touchscreen maemo6 devices | 09:56 |
| johnx | redeeman, I believe the answer from Nokia is something "no plans for that at this time" | 09:56 |
| nezb | luke-jr: depends on what you consider proper. I have another linksys router with debian on a usb drive | 09:57 |
| luke-jr | nezb: it requires a binary-only Linux 2.4 kernel | 09:57 |
| nezb | resistive touch screens are pretty nice if they are good quality like the n900 one | 09:57 |
| johnx | redeeman, however, Nokia has some interesting screen technology patents on pressure sensitive capacitive screens | 09:57 |
| nezb | luke-jr: yeah because of the wifi drivers, right? | 09:57 |
| johnx | luke-jr, nope. there's 2.6 | 09:57 |
| luke-jr | nezb: yes | 09:57 |
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| nezb | still, it's impressive that I can run Debian on a $40 router | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | johnx: not working for WRT54G | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | johnx: I checked the patent paper. rather boring and pointless | 09:58 |
| johnx | luke-jr, I was using it earlier w/ openwrt, but I like the tomato web ui too much :) | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | johnx: with wireless? | 09:58 |
| nezb | Tomato is awesome =) | 09:58 |
| johnx | luke-jr, yes. with wireless | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | interesting | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | but I'm too lazy to update. | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | I don't even use the wireless on mine | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 09:58 |
| redeeman | johnx: but i still like the resistive screen, and i doubt their ability to create a capacitive that works a nicely | 09:58 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer-8, really? why do you say that? | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | it's the truth | 09:59 |
| johnx | redeeman, I do too. not arguing there. just relaying what I heard at summit | 09:59 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer-8: "boring" is subjective XD | 09:59 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer-8, ok. what I mean is "Why is it boring and pointless?" Will it not work? Will it not be better than a regular capacitive screen? Will it never be produced? | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | it will work. it doesn't seem to be really usefull. I doubt it will ever be produced | 10:00 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer-8: so in other words, you just don't think pressure is relevant information? | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | not in the way nokia pat. is doing it | 10:01 |
| luke-jr | pressure is pressure, no? | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | it's not generating *new* info basically | 10:01 |
| luke-jr | oh | 10:01 |
| luke-jr | it's that "size of touched area correlates to pressure"? | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yep. e.g. this was an easier way to get same data | 10:02 |
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| luke-jr | but that doesn't hold true for stylus, IIRC | 10:03 |
| luke-jr | and pressure is mainly useful for stylus... :p | 10:03 |
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| luke-jr | unless the stylus has a special tip | 10:03 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | to weigh a kilo you can use a scale or you compare your car takes to accelerate to 100mph, wit and without the kilo to probe | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | luke-jr: there's no such concept like stylus on c-ts | 10:04 |
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| johnx | and it's always more fun to drive fast than to weigh things on a boring scale ... | 10:04 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer-8: ew | 10:04 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:06 |
| nezb | good morning. it is 3:06am here. | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | moo Jaffa | 10:07 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer-8: There is such a concept as a stylus on a capactivie touchscreen :-). They just don't get used often on phones etc. because the resolution of the capacitance is too low to make it useful. | 10:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | Jaffa: yeah, and the stylus tip is as big as my thumb XD | 10:08 |
| nezb | there is an iphone stylus I know... | 10:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | all just finger substitutes. no real stylii | 10:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | a pinpoint stylus *can not* work on a c-ts | 10:09 |
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| * johnx has a TV in the living room with capacitive buttons. it's circa 1980 :) | 10:11 | |
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| nezb | my LCD monitor has capacitive buttons | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | capacitive is all but new | 10:12 |
| johnx | resistive is newer, isn't it? | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | basically yes | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | not for screens though | 10:12 |
| johnx | well yeah. I know that part ;) | 10:13 |
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| L0cutus | re | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | I guess the first capacitive input dates back to theremin at least | 10:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theremin | 10:16 |
| nezb | Theremins are so cool | 10:16 |
| nezb | there's a bunch of youtube videos of people playing on them... some of them playing mario or zelda themes :) | 10:16 |
| johnx | luke-jr, so have you gotten the i.mx515 running at all? | 10:18 |
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| nezb | what is an i.mx515? | 10:18 |
| nezb | netbook or something? | 10:18 |
| johnx | it's a "system on chip" | 10:18 |
| nezb | for netbooks? | 10:19 |
| nezb | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/iMX515-targets-Linux-netbooks/ | 10:19 |
| johnx | I don't know what board luke-jr has, but I'm interested since it's the same chip as is in the sharp netwalker | 10:19 |
| nezb | looks cool. | 10:19 |
| johnx | yeah, netbooks or "smartbooks" I guess | 10:19 |
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| nezb | competes with low-end Atom devices | 10:19 |
| johnx | the typical ARM trade-off: low power consumption, less heat, less performance | 10:20 |
| Laiska | babbage | 10:20 |
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| nezb | ARM is pretty damn powerful these days | 10:20 |
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| johnx | thanks Laiska | 10:20 |
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| Arkenoi | wow, finally, a flashlight. don't know why it is not a standard option in all smartphones | 10:20 |
| nezb | ? | 10:21 |
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| nezb | N900 flashlight? | 10:21 |
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| nezb | my crappy $20 Nokia 1661 phone has a LED flashlight in it | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | n900 flashlight? has SpeedEvil1 released a PoC?? | 10:22 |
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| nezb | flashlight = just display an 800x480 white image on the screen >_> | 10:22 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | baaah. that one | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yawn | 10:22 |
| nezb | about:blank | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | lool | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | Arkenoi: what are you talking bout? | 10:23 |
| Veggen | speaking of - I'd *really* want to know what hardware-vendor/MS-deals that prevented Linux on the newer ranges of netbooks for example from Asus... | 10:23 |
| Veggen | most has dropped Linux by now. | 10:23 |
| johnx | "We'll basically give you Windows 7 for free if you drop linux with a public announcement." | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | evil mr balmer made an offer asus couldn't reject? | 10:24 |
| Veggen | ...and from what I learn, it's not because it performed worse than Windows, at least not if the vendors choice of distribution wasn't half bad. | 10:24 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer-8, just downloaded it from repo | 10:24 |
| RST38h | johnx: "...and let Ballmer sodomize you with that stool" | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | Arkenoi: what does it do? | 10:25 |
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| johnx | Well, at least Dell is still enjoying being a little *&$% to MS. As long as they keep it up, my workplace will keep choosing dell netbooks ;) | 10:25 |
| Veggen | Doc: yah, I wonder if there's new stuff for the anti-trust courts...because such stuff could be illegal. | 10:25 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer-8, a widget, if camera is open there is a button to activate LED | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | heh!! | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | :-) | 10:26 |
| nezb | dell used to be such garbage, but their netbooks aren't half bad | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | Arkenoi: pkg name? repo? | 10:26 |
| Arkenoi | "flashlight" | 10:27 |
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| Arkenoi | flashlight-applet actually | 10:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | Arkenoi: is it safe? how long do the leds shine without burning out? | 10:30 |
| rdorsch | When logging in my n900 as user via ssh, it asks me always for a password although I setup authorized_keys in ~/.ssh. | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | well. that's actually a first step towards right direction. | 10:32 |
| rdorsch | the same thing works well as root. | 10:32 |
| nezb | verify permissions on authorized_keys | 10:33 |
| nezb | should be owned by user and chmod 600 | 10:33 |
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| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer-8, i guess it is safe as led do not apper to be very bright, so it must be within safe power consumption | 10:33 |
| Arkenoi | s/apper/appear/ | 10:33 |
| rdorsch | -rw------- 1 user users 222 Dec 13 20:19 .ssh/authorized_keys | 10:34 |
| ShadowJK | If the light at all starts to become more blueish than it was before, it's overloaded | 10:34 |
| rdorsch | looks ok to me | 10:34 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | actually the button in applet dropdown is ahrd to reach. should be a menu to come up when opening camslider. "flash off"(it's on as soon as slider opens), "still cam" "video cam" | 10:34 |
| rdorsch | drwxr-xr-x 2 user users 4096 Dec 12 22:17 .ssh | 10:34 |
| rdorsch | permissions are the same as root | 10:34 |
| nezb | rdorsch: chmod 700 /home/user/.ssh | 10:34 |
| nezb | rdorsch: make sure you don't have a newline inserted in a bad position | 10:34 |
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| nezb | rdorsch: have you tried restarting ssh server? | 10:35 |
| sayjava | any knows the location of the documentation for qt maemo? | 10:35 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer-8, i agree | 10:36 |
| rdorsch | restarting ssh server does not help | 10:37 |
| rdorsch | diff /mnt/n900/root/.ssh/authorized_keys /mnt/n900/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | Arkenoi: I'm great on imagining good concepts. Alas I rarely help to make them real | 10:37 |
| rdorsch | the authorized keys for root and user are the same | 10:38 |
| rdorsch | root works, user does not | 10:38 |
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| nezb | rdorsch: cat /etc/passwd | grep user | 10:38 |
| nezb | rdorsch: cat /etc/passwd | grep root | 10:38 |
| rdorsch | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# cat /etc/passwd | grep user | 10:38 |
| rdorsch | user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh | 10:38 |
| rdorsch | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# | 10:38 |
| nezb | rdorsch: what is grep root? | 10:38 |
| rdorsch | root:blablub:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh | 10:39 |
| rdorsch | replaced passwd | 10:39 |
| nezb | rdorsch: you need to set a password for user | 10:39 |
| nezb | that is why | 10:39 |
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| nezb | rdorsch: or change the ! to x | 10:39 |
| tigert | woot | 10:40 |
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| nezb | then save the /etc/passwd file and you should have it working | 10:40 |
| rdorsch | hmm... ihave not done that on the n810, and there it works | 10:40 |
| tigert | bluetooth-dun package | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | man passwd | 10:40 |
| tigert | works fine | 10:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | rdorsch: are the permissions on ~/.ssh right? | 10:40 |
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| nezb | timeless, yes we already checked | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | on id_rsa ? | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | you checked the directory | 10:40 |
| johnx | if you don't want to screw around with permissions, just use ssh-keygen to create .ssh | 10:40 |
| nezb | and the file | 10:40 |
| rdorsch | that is the n810 setting: | 10:40 |
| rdorsch | user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh | 10:40 |
| nezb | change the ! to an x | 10:41 |
| rdorsch | works perfectly | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | nezb: you checked authorized_keys, what about id_rsa? | 10:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh right | 10:41 |
| nezb | this is the server side | 10:41 |
| rdorsch | why is it required on the n900 but not at the n810? | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | we don't really like letting people log in as user | 10:41 |
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| nezb | not sure | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | because it defaults to no password and such | 10:41 |
| johnx | rdorsch, I didn't quite catch it. did you chmod 0700 ~user/.ssh yet or not? | 10:41 |
| Corsac | rdorsch: afair I can't login through ssh as user on my n810 either | 10:42 |
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| Corsac | (since I've not set a password atm) | 10:42 |
| rdorsch | johnx: does not help | 10:42 |
| nezb | ssh server will not let you log in to accounts without a password set | 10:42 |
| rdorsch | ...the chmod I mean | 10:42 |
| johnx | strange | 10:42 |
| rdorsch | nezb: my n810 does | 10:43 |
| nezb | unless you change /etc/sshd_config | 10:43 |
| nezb | or whatever the file is called | 10:43 |
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| Corsac | rdorsch: are you sure the user is still disabled? | 10:44 |
| Corsac | “locked” I mean | 10:45 |
| rdorsch | nezb:/etc/sshd_config is almost the same on both devices, a diff shows | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | heh, I just set a password for user, and ssh user@nokia900 worked just fine | 10:45 |
| rdorsch | 50,51d49 | 10:45 |
| rdorsch | < # GSSAPIAuthentication yes | 10:45 |
| rdorsch | < # GSSAPIDelegateCredentials no | 10:45 |
| rdorsch | which are just comments, right? | 10:45 |
| nezb | yeah | 10:45 |
| nezb | what happens if you just set a password for user account | 10:46 |
| rdorsch | Corsac: yes: user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | tbh scp worked | 10:46 |
| rdorsch | is in /etc/passwd on the n810 | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | nezb: see above | 10:47 |
| nezb | maybe this is different. it wouldn't hurt to try. | 10:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | btw I scp'd my xchat config from N810 to N900 ;-D | 10:49 |
| rdorsch | That is the line which does not show up anymore when I try to authenticate as user: debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-rsa blen 149 | 10:50 |
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| Corsac | oh, I missed you were trying to use public key | 10:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | tbh I consider it a serious security flaw to carry cryptokeys in a mobile device. OPIE ftw | 10:53 |
| ShadowJK | hm, are you supposed to be able to use vfp on cortexa8? | 10:53 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer-8: well, carying public keys isn't really a security issue :/ | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | wasn't until that notorious ssh flaw | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ;-) | 10:53 |
| ShadowJK | oh, yes | 10:54 |
| * ShadowJK is on the way to having neon compiled mplayer | 10:54 | |
| ruskie | what will that bring? | 10:54 |
| johnx | mplayer with one of those flashing "beer" signs you see in bars :) | 10:55 |
| ShadowJK | ruskie, better performance | 10:55 |
| nezb | B | 10:55 |
| nezb | E | 10:55 |
| nezb | E | 10:55 |
| nezb | R | 10:55 |
| ShadowJK | mplayer is mostly for those people who want subtitles or formats not supported by the gstreamer pipeline | 10:55 |
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| nezb | B E E R *blinks* | 10:55 |
| johnx | :D | 10:55 |
| RST38h | gstreamer pipeline supports subtitles | 10:55 |
| nezb | <blink type="neon">BEER</blink> | 10:56 |
| nezb | ok I'll stop now | 10:56 |
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| ruskie | ShadowJK, in my case it's for those people that prefer mplayer ;) | 10:56 |
| RST38h | I think we have figured it out by now that you need 1) compile subtitle-related gst plugins and 2) port some generic linux movie player that uses gst | 10:56 |
| suihkulokki | mplayer is for poeple who don't like UI's :P | 10:56 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know gstreamer at all | 10:56 |
| johnx | ShadowJK, you're including mencoder too, right? | 10:56 |
| RST38h | becuase Nokia's Media Player has gst pipeline hardcoded | 10:56 |
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| ShadowJK | johnx, well, first I'm going to test if it works <shock, horror> | 10:57 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Apparently, you do not even need to know gstreamer | 10:57 |
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| johnx | ShadowJK, boo! (kidding, kidding) | 10:57 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Just compile a few .c files from gstreamer base package and compile Xine or something | 10:57 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah but MPlayer is slightly familiar to me, it only took me like an hour of replacing random scratchbox binaries with ones randomly downloaded from the intarwebs, and then editing the mplayer build system until it built | 10:57 |
| johnx | RST38h, just need to find a lightweight linux movie player using gstreamer that is somewhat useful | 10:57 |
| RST38h | -20oC | 10:58 |
| RST38h | But at least they turned the lights on | 10:58 |
| ShadowJK | because like, gcc needs about a hojillion flags before it'll churn out neon | 10:58 |
| johnx | it's so cold your degree sign fell! | 10:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: Are there any? :) | 10:58 |
| johnx | RST38h, that's my point :P | 10:58 |
| johnx | totem *works* but it seems somewhat heavy | 10:58 |
| RST38h | pain, this linux thing is pain | 10:58 |
| johnx | stripping out features left and right might do the trick | 10:59 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah. it just beats the heck out of the alternatives (In my case, at least) | 10:59 |
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| RST38h | well, in my case freebsd is way less pain | 11:00 |
| RST38h | or maybe it simply does not claim too many things about itself... | 11:00 |
| johnx | any good gstreamer based video players for freebsd? :P | 11:01 |
| ShadowJK | huh. How did I end up with speex installed in sb | 11:01 |
| RST38h | same as for linux I am afraid =( | 11:01 |
| Myrtti | morning | 11:01 |
| ShadowJK | or like, is it picking up system libspeex | 11:01 |
| RST38h | mourning Myrtti | 11:01 |
| * ShadowJK doesn't understand this scratchbox thing at all | 11:01 | |
| Myrtti | oh wow, it works | 11:01 |
| johnx | mornin' Myrtti | 11:01 |
| * Myrtti has fiddled with irssi scripts | 11:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: hehe | 11:02 |
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| johnx | RST38h, I think you're on to something about *bsd not claiming much. It makes some claims and delivers 100% on those. Debian makes wild claims and delivers 80%, but I know about the 20% it doesn't deliver, so it doesn't bother me | 11:02 |
| * ShadowJK install libspeex on n900.. | 11:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: libspeex is *cool*. So don't complain, enjoy! | 11:02 |
| Myrtti | libspeex would be nice in N900. Can it be done? | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: for N900 it's needed for SIP I'd say | 11:03 |
| ShadowJK | Myrtti, yes | 11:03 |
| Myrtti | I've got some audiobooks that are encoded with it | 11:03 |
| ShadowJK | well | 11:03 |
| ShadowJK | I dont know if you can make the media player do it | 11:03 |
| ShadowJK | but libspeex was just apt-get away | 11:03 |
| ShadowJK | and I accidentally compiled mplayer with it | 11:04 |
| Myrtti | hm, so in theory canola can work with it? | 11:04 |
| Myrtti | note: in theory | 11:04 |
| nezb | goodnight all | 11:04 |
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| Myrtti | I wish I could trust panucci being better in maemo5 than it is in maemo4 | 11:05 |
| Myrtti | but I don't. | 11:05 |
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| Myrtti | it would need 2-3 features that would make me happy | 11:07 |
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| Myrtti | 1) playlists 2) sleep timer 3) speex support | 11:08 |
| ShadowJK | I guess you could file an enhancement request against ogg-support in extras (since speex is part of xiph these days) | 11:08 |
| * johnx watches the "orbo" free energy video, is totally amazed by thermodynamics being proved wrong | 11:09 | |
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| Myrtti | ShadowJK: and the probabilities of the request being put to "wontfix, file this in brainstorm" are...? | 11:10 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | heh cool. started flashlight. started camera app again. took photo. cam app closes (segfaults?) and further attempts to start it fail with error notifier | 11:10 |
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| Myrtti | ShadowJK: thought so... | 11:13 |
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| ShadowJK | well you wont know until you try | 11:13 |
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| Ceron | hi, my n900 just rebooted itself? | 11:18 |
| Ceron | some update from nokia? | 11:18 |
| Ceron | i just noticed that it vibrated and the nokia logo came up :P | 11:18 |
| Ceron | first time this ever has happened | 11:18 |
| Ceron | is this a sign of a bricked device? :D | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | k, boottime. flashlight obviously not ready for primetime yet | 11:18 |
| Ceron | i have full battery | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | Ceron: installed lot of apps, even from testing or devel maybe? | 11:19 |
| ShadowJK | CPU time used by mplayer to decode the N900 video with mplayer without neon: 44s | 11:19 |
| Ceron | DocScrutinizer-8: only quake3 and | 11:20 |
| ShadowJK | CPU time used by mplayer to decode the N900 video with mplayer with neon: 35 s | 11:20 |
| Ceron | openttd :P | 11:20 |
| Ceron | and Maep | 11:20 |
| Ceron | 3-4 programs :P | 11:20 |
| Ceron | how can i check why it booted | 11:20 |
| Ceron | where to find logs :O | 11:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | Ceron: sound like that's just enough to fill up your rootfs eventually | 11:20 |
| Ceron | lol? how so | 11:20 |
| Ceron | they should all be in /opt/ | 11:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | Ceron: there's some obscure / fillup that's somewhat healed by reboot. | 11:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | reports are like "reboot free'd 64MB in my /" | 11:23 |
| nomis | moin. | 11:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | Ceron: note there's /usr and /var on / fs still, even with /opt on eMMC | 11:25 |
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| ShadowJK | johnx, do you use or have mplayer from extras-devel installed? | 11:30 |
| johnx | ShadowJK, yeah | 11:31 |
| ShadowJK | do you still have the N900 video? | 11:31 |
| johnx | yeah | 11:31 |
| johnx | benchmark time? | 11:32 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:32 |
| ShadowJK | time mplayer -vo xv:ck-method=auto -dr -ao null -benchmark -quiet N900.mp4 (or whatever it was called) | 11:32 |
| ShadowJK | interested in the benchmark lines at end of playback, and the 'time' output | 11:33 |
| johnx | do you really want to get the video blitter involved? or should I just test decoding? | 11:33 |
| ShadowJK | oh it's useful | 11:33 |
| ShadowJK | Actually it might not make much difference on arm, but on x86 there's big difference due to cache effects with and without video output enabled | 11:34 |
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| ShadowJK | oh adding -fs would probably be sanest.. | 11:35 |
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| johnx | it's amazing how much pixie dust they pack inside the N900's case :) | 11:37 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 11:38 |
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| johnx | http://pastebin.com/f3380f59a | 11:40 |
| johnx | and http://pastebin.com/f5c66877 | 11:40 |
| Ceron | DocScrutinizer-8: lol so installing a couple of games | 11:41 |
| Ceron | make it reboot? | 11:41 |
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| Ceron | :D | 11:41 |
| Ceron | doesnt sound very good | 11:41 |
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| johnx | did you grab the games from extras or extras-testing/devel? | 11:42 |
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| ShadowJK | johnx: here's mplayer and mencoder binary, the -sansneon versions benchmarked similar to what you pasted. They don't have the screenblanking prevention, and PREFIX is /usr/local, not that it matters, you can run the binary from anywhere and it doesn't need external files http://enivax.net/jk/mplayer-n900/01/ | 11:43 |
| johnx | hot :) | 11:44 |
| johnx | so, do you want a benchmark for the +neon version? or did you try it yet? | 11:44 |
| Ceron | DocScrutinizer-8: your wrong about the devel part | 11:45 |
| Ceron | Those with rebooting issues probably have apps from devel installed. | 11:45 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I tried it, 35 secs vs 45 secs | 11:45 |
| Ceron | Not true - my phone rebooted just hours after I got it, and the only major thing I had done was enable an SIP account. | 11:45 |
| ShadowJK | (approx) | 11:45 |
| ShadowJK | so almost 25% boost | 11:45 |
| Ceron | everyone here keeps blaming the devle software :P | 11:45 |
| johnx | ShadowJK, not too bad at all. that's very likely the difference between some of my files being playable and not | 11:45 |
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| johnx | Ceron, well, there are more than one set of problems. we're trying to eliminate possibilities | 11:46 |
| ShadowJK | only the libspeex dependency surprised me | 11:47 |
| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/mplayer-n900/01/ldd.txt libgdbm.so.3 <- wtf? | 11:47 |
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| johnx | heh. downloaded mplayer/mencoder in the wrong ssh term O_o; | 11:49 |
| hrw | omg... show invented python-optify.... 4 bind mounts... | 11:51 |
| johnx | yeah. I was amused :) | 11:52 |
| Ceron | johnx: is it possible for me to send | 11:52 |
| Ceron | logs somewhere | 11:52 |
| Ceron | and what logs should i take out from the phone | 11:52 |
| Ceron | i want to help | 11:52 |
| johnx | Ceron, sorry. I'm not really the right person to ask. In the case of the N900, I'm just a user like you ;) | 11:53 |
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| tigert | in case of reboots, cat /proc/bootreason | 11:55 |
| ShadowJK | What's the status of python and qt? They optified now? | 11:55 |
| tigert | gives an indication what was the problem | 11:55 |
| tigert | of course if it says "watchdog" that doesnt help much | 11:55 |
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| Sargun | can te N900 do MMS yet? | 11:59 |
| ShadowJK | no | 12:01 |
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| Sargun | what about now? | 12:03 |
| hrw | still no | 12:03 |
| hrw | in next 5 minutes it will be still no | 12:03 |
| hrw | etc | 12:03 |
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| Sargun | photo sharing on the n900 is so temperamental. | 12:04 |
| * w00t yawns | 12:04 | |
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| thp_ | joppu_: have not implemented the quick action icons, sorry. | 12:05 |
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| jon1012 | hi | 12:09 |
| jon1012 | I have a question about hildon/gtk... | 12:09 |
| ShadowJK | johnx, it's so simple once you figure it out: http://enivax.net/jk/mplayer-n900/01/build.txt :-) | 12:09 |
| jon1012 | I tried to use treeviews, but I can't get the same look than lists in native apps | 12:09 |
| ShadowJK | Too bad this method can't be used for the autobuilder ;-) | 12:09 |
| jon1012 | like the contacts list | 12:10 |
| jon1012 | there is a tiny border under the items | 12:10 |
| jon1012 | how can I get that too ? | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer-8: they're called open file handles | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | Unix file systems have things called "inodes" | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | a file in the file system points to an inode | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | when you open a file in a program, you get a reference to the inode | 12:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | when someone runs /bin/rm /path/to/file | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | the entry from the filename to the inode is removed | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | but if there's still a reference to the node held by the program, then the underlying data is not actually deleted | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | because it's still in use by the program | 12:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | restarting has side effect of killing all running processes, which means that all file handles to inodes for which there's no file name left on the file system will no longer eat space | 12:12 |
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| Lantizia | Lo, does anyone know the file format Maemo 5 stores SMS messages? | 12:13 |
| Lantizia | I wish to convert my old nokia VMG messages to it | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | we could take the "windows" approach to add/remove "Please restart your computer to finish installation" | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: probably ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | (which is a sqlite file) | 12:14 |
| Lantizia | fun | 12:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | (note that it's locked by some process, so you need to kindly ask whichever to quit, import your data, and ask the process to start again) | 12:14 |
| jon1012 | what is the widget used in app manager app list for example ? | 12:15 |
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| Lantizia | and I'm guessing it'll store them as conversations timeless? | 12:15 |
| jon1012 | gtk.TreeView ? | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | jon1012: mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/ | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | hildon-application-manager is open source, you can read it yourself :) | 12:15 |
| jon1012 | thanks :) | 12:15 |
| jon1012 | (I tried several way but I cannot get the same look :( | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: implementation detail. i work on the browser, not rtcom | 12:15 |
| jon1012 | (gtk.treeview, gtk.VBox with gtk.HBox inside and so on) | 12:16 |
| tigert | jon1012: get the maemo5 ui style guide | 12:16 |
| jon1012 | I have it | 12:16 |
| jon1012 | but it's not explained | 12:16 |
| pupnik_ | i am majorly excited fremantle audio architecture | 12:17 |
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| tigert | jon1012: hmm, gimme a sec | 12:17 |
| pupnik_ | the more i see the more correct compromises i see | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik_: you're an architecture | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 12:17 |
| pupnik_ | lol at | 12:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | 'by' | 12:18 |
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| pupnik_ | oh yes! thx | 12:18 |
| tigert | jon1012: you also have the "Hildon 2.2 Widget UI specification"? | 12:18 |
| jeremiah | lol with | 12:18 |
| pupnik_ | it looks flexible enough to add exception rules for specific apps | 12:18 |
| jon1012 | I have the ui style, not widget ui spec | 12:18 |
| Milo- | yikes, calendar only allows you to set the reminder one hour _before_ the event.. | 12:18 |
| jon1012 | I'll try to find it | 12:19 |
| Milo- | not two, or 10 hours :( | 12:19 |
| tigert | jon1012: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide < linked from here | 12:19 |
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| ShadowJK | milo: i managed to set one a day before | 12:19 |
| Milo- | how? | 12:19 |
| Milo- | though, I want to set two hours before... | 12:19 |
| tigert | jon1012: page 25 | 12:19 |
| pupnik_ | have any of you experimented and found good h.264 encoding options for n900? there are many. | 12:20 |
| jon1012 | tigert: thanks :) | 12:20 |
| tigert | jon1012: that at least has some explanations on how to do it | 12:20 |
| Milo- | oh even worse | 12:21 |
| tigert | jon1012: basically the style guide + widget spec explains ui stuff pretty well | 12:21 |
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| xorAxAx | how can i migrate a package from extras-devel to extras-testing? | 12:21 |
| Milo- | when you create your own event, it only lets you choose 0, 5 and 15 minutes | 12:21 |
| Milo- | what kind of reminder is that? | 12:21 |
| jon1012 | tigert: it wasn"t very visible in api ref, there it was saying that you shouldn't use touch list outside of modal windows | 12:21 |
| ShadowJK | i get 0 15 30 minutes, 1, 3 hours, and 1 day as alarm options. if there's less than a day to event I dont get 1day as option | 12:21 |
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| jon1012 | thanks for the info ! | 12:22 |
| ShadowJK | did you try scroll down the list? | 12:22 |
| tigert | jon1012: np | 12:22 |
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| Milo- | ShadowJK yes | 12:22 |
| tigert | jon1012: I guess the chapter 3: UI Modes would be good reading too | 12:22 |
| tigert | as the click -> action stuff is a bit different from gtk | 12:22 |
| Milo- | alarn: none, 0 minutes before, 5 minutes before, 15 minutes before | 12:22 |
| Milo- | and that is end of the list | 12:22 |
| tigert | so you dont "select" and then tap some action button | 12:22 |
| jon1012 | ok | 12:22 |
| tigert | but its more like select to activate things, hence that chapter | 12:23 |
| tigert | but good luck :) | 12:23 |
| tigert | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide < this in general is good too, luckily theres a lot of it in the web | 12:23 |
| jon1012 | tigert: thanks :) I'm doing the mobile app version of websites from my nightguide network :) | 12:23 |
| tigert | they are trying to move the pdf content into the wiki | 12:23 |
| tigert | since its easier to point at | 12:23 |
| jon1012 | ok | 12:24 |
| Milo- | the calendar's alarm support is weak ._· | 12:24 |
| tigert | jon1012: whats that? | 12:24 |
| jon1012 | tigert: www.parisenvies.com for example | 12:24 |
| tigert | oh nice :) | 12:24 |
| tigert | so a mobile travel guide? | 12:24 |
| jon1012 | yeah somehow | 12:25 |
| tigert | that will rock with location support :) | 12:25 |
| jon1012 | yup | 12:25 |
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| tigert | jon1012: if you intend to do free software and want some brainstorming ideas, poke Andrew at http://highearthorbit.com/ | 12:27 |
| tigert | and Henri at http://bergie.iki.fi/ | 12:27 |
| tigert | those guys enjoy all things geo-location | 12:27 |
| jon1012 | ok :) thanks for the pointer | 12:27 |
| Milo- | ShadowJK hah | 12:28 |
| tigert | and of course poke me here, I enjoy such things too when I have time | 12:28 |
| Milo- | ShadowJK if I set the event from week calendar, it allows me to set up to 3 hours (missing 2 hours, of course) | 12:28 |
| jon1012 | tigert: the client will be opensource | 12:28 |
| jon1012 | tigert: my website software however not, but I expose a lot of data in the json api | 12:29 |
| tigert | sure | 12:29 |
| jon1012 | I'm making thr wlient with python (pymaemo) | 12:29 |
| jon1012 | the client* | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | Milo-: where are you setting it from that it gives you fewer choices? | 12:30 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to strangle someone | 12:30 | |
| hrw | back on E66... | 12:30 |
| Milo- | timeless_mbp the third view, not month or week | 12:31 |
| Milo- | notes is what I would translate it to | 12:31 |
| Milo- | but notes have another meaning here | 12:31 |
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| Milo- | timeless_mbp if I start it from the calendar widget, it gives limited options | 12:33 |
| Milo- | after opening calendar from the widget and changing to weekly view, it won't even let me set the alarm :P | 12:34 |
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| Milo- | oh wait | 12:35 |
| Milo- | it is smart, and I'm a moron.. | 12:35 |
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| Milo- | it adjusts the alarm automatically considering when I want that event to be set off.. | 12:35 |
| Milo- | brilliant, except I need two hour notice, not 1 hour or 3 hours :P | 12:36 |
| Milo- | it should have the same type of slider as when adjusting time | 12:37 |
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| lcukn900 | i would love to adjust real time with a slider. | 12:39 |
| mece | how's freeciv on N900? is it playable? | 12:40 |
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| PLinka | http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139723800 | 12:42 |
| PLinka | http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139723800 | 12:42 |
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| ruskie | erm | 12:47 |
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| konttori_work_no | Ah, we have the compositor scaoling tutorial now up: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Porting_Software/Scaling_Fixed_Size_Windows | 12:47 |
| pupnik_ | ty konttori_work_no | 12:47 |
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| RST38h | bookmarking | 12:51 |
| RST38h | thanks konttori | 12:51 |
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| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/15/n900_vodafone/ <-- hmm | 12:51 |
| melmoth | Any zimbra user aroud ? | 12:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | fmradio updated recently. Can't find it generally messes up microphone. But sound playback (via BT?) often sputters and frequently even stops completely on e.g. dimming screen. RF sensitivity is much better when charger *not* plugged in | 12:52 |
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| ShadowJK | the fm transmitter becomes almost inaudible with charger connected too | 12:53 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer-8, the transmitter is also very poor when charging | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | haven't tested FM-TX yet | 12:54 |
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| ShadowJK | Ah, he's going to find the camera team and demonstrate the malfunctioning macromode? | 12:55 |
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| ruskie | lol | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | malfunct macro? | 12:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | so that's a closeup shot then - which misses target nevertheless ? XD | 12:57 |
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| xorAxAx | how can i migrate a package from extras-devel to extras-testing? | 12:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: focus issue on macro? | 12:59 |
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| jon1012 | tigert: I used that touch list and all, but I still don't have that tiny border on bottom of rows... any idea where it is defined ? | 12:59 |
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| hrw | heh.. next weeks will be another waiting | 13:02 |
| ShadowJK | docscutinizer: yeah | 13:03 |
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| ShadowJK | if you're too close the flash, which activates without user control during focus, whites out the picture, and the camera almost immediately gives up trying to focus | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: yes. tested this moment. strange. It worked with good focus *one* time. the other ~49 times it either couldn't focus at all (red) or it found a "focus" (green) but was blurry | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | had autoflash setting though, and flash never activated for focusing. took no pict... so no idea about flash on that one | 13:06 |
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| ShadowJK | even with flash set off, it activates during focus if light level is low enough | 13:07 |
| pupnik_ | Optical focusing requires light. | 13:09 |
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| * timeless sighs | 13:09 | |
| timeless | tigert: are there ui guidelines against too many widgets in a row? | 13:10 |
| ShadowJK | it could be smarter about it, use less light if it cant adjust exposure during focus so that the entire frame isnt pure white with nothing to focus on | 13:10 |
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| * ShadowJK sees a bug summary already "Always off doesn't mean always" | 13:11 | |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | 16 widgets sitting in a row, 16 widgets sitting in a row, and if one widget should accidentally do whatever it is that widgets might do which is analogous to the accidental falling of bottles, then we'd have 0 widgets... because the app will have crashed | 13:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: hmm, yes. with much light it even seems to focus every 2nd time. autoflash didn't flash, always flash did (what else ;-) In both cases photo was ok when focus succeeded. Confirmed issue like described by you on any flash setting and macro as well as auto, for low light and distances up to ~25cm | 13:18 |
| ShadowJK | my e75 also used flash to focus, and the viewfinder picture looked initially very white too, but it didnt give up and the picture darkened and focus succeeded | 13:20 |
| ShadowJK | but it's not an easy comparison, e75 has a different camera and only one led | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: eten M800 has similar problem | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | FWIW | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | is there a place to post general app reviews that maybe (ideally) don't comprise any bugreports | 13:24 |
| Lantizia | Since telepathy (rtcom) uses libpurple.. can I enable MSN support on my N900? | 13:24 |
| w00t | Lantizia: yes, if you install the right addon | 13:24 |
| Lantizia | w00t: do you know which one? is it in extras? | 13:25 |
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| * Jaffa bingles lbt/lbt_ and dneary for thoughtful and constructive responses to the Brainstorm Question ;-) | 13:26 | |
| Jaffa | (and qgil for his neverending patience ;-)) | 13:26 |
| w00t | Lantizia: I don't believe it is in extras yet | 13:27 |
| lbt_ | :) | 13:27 |
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| w00t | (it's not particularly bug-free) | 13:27 |
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| tigert | speaking of lights | 13:27 |
| SinofEnvy[] | is it possible to set my N900 so that during a voice conversationwhen I slide it open it goes into speaker mode and when its closed into regular mode? I know the E71 can do this | 13:27 |
| tigert | check out the flashlight app in extras-devel | 13:27 |
| tigert | its pretty nice | 13:27 |
| SinofEnvy[] | tigert, doesnt it burn the leds: | 13:28 |
| SinofEnvy[] | ? | 13:28 |
| tigert | it works even as a video-light in dark if you toggle it on after starting to shoot video | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | screenshot loves to shoot own "you have 20s..." notifier :-/ | 13:28 |
| tigert | it burns the leds | 13:28 |
| * lbt_ thinks it would be cool to be a storm-master... | 13:28 | |
| SinofEnvy[] | okay so it can't be good for the phone :P | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | tigert: we found it's nice but a little clumsy to activate | 13:29 |
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| tigert | a bit yeah | 13:29 |
| tigert | camkeyd -like activation would be nice | 13:29 |
| tigert | but | 13:29 |
| tigert | the problem is the lens cap | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | actually the button in applet dropdown is ahrd to reach. should be a menu to come up when opening camslider. "flash off"(it's on as soon as slider opens), "still cam" "video cam" | 13:30 |
| Micha_ | Does anybody know if the pyPackager script is still around? All the links I've found point to khertan.net which no longer hosts it. | 13:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | tigert: also I found it borked the cam app when I first enabled flashlight then started camapp again | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | had to reboot to fix | 13:32 |
| tigert | ok :) | 13:33 |
| tigert | yea I just played with it a bit | 13:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | tigert: I hope "it burns LEDs" was meant as "it lights LEDs" | 13:34 |
| * SpeedEvil1 has nothing to do with above app - cool tho | 13:35 | |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | one of the major concerns when we discussed this a few days ago was it actually might *burn* the LEDs | 13:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil1: yeah, and hi | 13:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil1: looks like "50mA" so I'd consider it safe | 13:37 |
| ShadowJK | 50mA total or per led? | 13:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | duh, ask the driver source | 13:37 |
| cehteh | hehe .. activate the full 820mA and burn through the slider! | 13:38 |
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| cehteh | ShadowJK: leds are usually in series ... means each one gets the current but voltage is multiplied | 13:39 |
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| ShadowJK | it'd be a bit silly to have them in series on n900 | 13:39 |
| cehteh | note that leds are current controlled not voltage controlled so putting them in series is easier | 13:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer-8 starts to burn another few holes into a plasticbag with green laser >:-P | 13:39 | |
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| cehteh | ShadowJK: why that? | 13:40 |
| cehteh | you need 2 current limiting circruits if you want to put them in parallel | 13:40 |
| ShadowJK | But if you put them in series you'd either have to find ones that have a Vf of ~1.6V, or add a boost circuit to boost the voltage from the battery's 3.2 - 4.2V | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | cehteh: and even the recommended way in chip's appnotes | 13:40 |
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| cehteh | the led controler is a charge pump anyways so it can boost voltage up | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ShadowJK: the controller chip actually has a booster | 13:41 |
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| cehteh | you can not just place 2 leds in parallel and give 100ma on it | 13:41 |
| cehteh | slight variations mean that then one led will run at 70 and the other at 30mA leds are highly unlinear | 13:42 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer-8, oh, booster included? nice :-) | 13:42 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yep | 13:42 |
| cehteh | you need 2 current controlers one for each led then | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | cehteh: yes. | 13:42 |
| cehteh | other lamps which have plenty leds have charge pumps which can go to 30-60Volts .. still only current controled | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | cehteh: but that's not the way it's done | 13:43 |
| cehteh | you just connect as many leds as it is designed for in series | 13:43 |
| ShadowJK | I have one that runs 700mA at ~5V, and one that does 700mA at ~3.2V.. Got them on separate current controllers, connected in parallell to the 4*AA batterypack.. At first they start out roughly similar in brightness, but the 3.2V Cree is shining full brightness long after the chinaled has gone completely dark :) | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | Cree is RollsRoyce | 13:44 |
| ShadowJK | Then what is SSC? :-) | 13:45 |
| ShadowJK | besides, it's XR-E, not even XPG or whatever they call it :( | 13:45 |
| ShadowJK | the one that all the cool kids have these days | 13:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | err? | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil1 | seoul semiconductor company IIRC | 13:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | nah XR-E | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil1 | (11:45:17 AM) ShadowJK: Then what is SSC? :-) | 13:48 |
| ShadowJK | XRE is the performance series of cree, iirc, and xpg is the "general lighting" series, I think. My memory is dusty. At some point the cool kids stopped competing with pure brightness and shifted onto CRI (color rendering index) waving instead, and then everyone started using xpg | 13:48 |
| joppu_ | thp: no problem | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil1 | nope | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil1 | xpg is the newest brightest one | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil1 | ~140lm/W | 13:49 |
| ShadowJK | oh | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | LUXEON 5W ftw | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil1 | I think the top bin of XRE is ~100lm/W | 13:49 |
| ShadowJK | lm/W is kinda silly anyway, when the only way you get there is running them at 20mA each or something | 13:49 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | xpg will do IIRC 330lm@1A, and is 3.5*3.5mm | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil1 | ShadowJK: nope | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil1 | ShadowJK: specced at 350mA | 13:50 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | ShadowJK: so >>100lm at 1W | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | what? 140/W?? | 13:50 |
| ShadowJK | 100lm/W at 350mA? | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil1 | DocScrutinizer: yes | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil1 | ShadowJK: yes | 13:50 |
| ShadowJK | awesome | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | damn. luxeon 5W has 105 | 13:50 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, luxeon is way behind | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil1 | It's silly that the improvement in LEDs over the last decade can't be repeated again - as they would be emitting more energy than they take in. | 13:51 |
| ShadowJK | SSC actually uses (or used) Cree dies, but they have their own phosphor mix | 13:51 |
| pupnik | http://glassbox-design.com/2009/cree-xp-g-led-hits-new-efficiency-levels-132-lumens-per-watt/ | 13:51 |
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| * DocScrutinizer-8 considers building perpetuum luminae out of a XPG and a photovoltaic cell | 13:52 | |
| SpeedEvil1 | http://www.cree.com/xlamp/sample_xpg.asp | 13:52 |
| ShadowJK | "It is 80% smaller than the XR-E!" <- oh no wonder the flashlight people are all over it | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil1 | The brightness is insane. 10cm*10cm panel of LEDs can put out as much light as a 1m window. | 13:53 |
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| pupnik | note that lumens isn't a measure of energy output, but subjective brightness to human eye. iirc | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 13:54 |
| ShadowJK | do they have a MC-E version of XP-G :D | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | And what 'white' is - is horrible question. | 13:55 |
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| * DocScrutinizer-8 curses opensuse auto kernel update, and tries to boot his PC by fiddling with grub cmdline | 14:02 | |
| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/15/gin_and_titonic/ | 14:05 |
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| _|Nix|_ | wiretapped: Haven't gotten around to re-porting pidgin-otr yet. | 14:07 |
| xorAxAx | maemo.org is slllooooowww | 14:09 |
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| lbt_ | hmmmm.... is it possible to add a shortcut to a file to the N900 desktop | 14:12 |
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| joppu_ | lbt_: nope | 14:12 |
| lbt_ | :( | 14:12 |
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| Myrtti | lbt_: why not a shortcut to the application that opens it and the filename as a parameter? | 14:13 |
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| xorAxAx | do i need to link the bugzilla account to my maemo account? | 14:14 |
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| lbt_ | Myrtti: OK... (it's actually an image of a boarding pass I just wanted to be able to pull up quickly FYI) | 14:16 |
| adeus | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/uqm/ | 14:16 |
| adeus | oh jeah | 14:16 |
| auenfx4 | bah, stupid car wont let n810 connect | 14:17 |
| lbt_ | hmm, once I have the image mgr on one desktop as a normal app it won't install again | 14:17 |
| auenfx4 | supposed to make phone attempt to connect, then car tells you the pin | 14:17 |
| auenfx4 | diablo doesnt let you connect then enter pin after | 14:18 |
| auenfx4 | and the pin the car says changes each time | 14:18 |
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| Myrtti | oy! would someone please test me one thing on the N900? | 14:20 |
| auenfx4 | only if you buy me a n900 | 14:20 |
| Myrtti | smartarse | 14:21 |
| Myrtti | does http://www.thesixtyone.com work on it? ie. can you listen to music etc? | 14:21 |
| auenfx4 | i'm being serious | 14:21 |
| auenfx4 | flash music? | 14:21 |
| * lbt_ has no data here :( | 14:22 | |
| * SpeedEvil digs out his phone | 14:23 | |
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| Myrtti | I have no idea what technology is used there | 14:23 |
| ensi | hello, anyone managed to get cgdb running in scratchbox? | 14:23 |
| ShadowJK | it's using lots of cpu atleast | 14:23 |
| ensi | i built it from source but it crashes from the get go | 14:23 |
| ensi | gdb crashes too | 14:24 |
| adeus | coding Qt? | 14:24 |
| ensi | yes | 14:25 |
| ShadowJK | myrtti: I get music | 14:25 |
| auenfx4 | swfobject.embedSWF("/site_media/swf/song_player_f9.v11215.swf", "flash_song_player_content" | 14:25 |
| adeus | ensi, http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/12/01/qt-for-maemo-5-next-iteration/ | 14:25 |
| Myrtti | ShadowJK: oo, that's something new. | 14:25 |
| Myrtti | thanks | 14:25 |
| auenfx4 | looks like flash to me ;) | 14:25 |
| adeus | there's a link for gdb7 | 14:25 |
| ensi | http://codepad.org/JxrdzzPG | 14:25 |
| Myrtti | auenfx4: great, have a lollipop. | 14:25 |
| ShadowJK | ah good old flash, 65% cpu to play mp3 | 14:25 |
| adeus | sounds less than on the linux pc :P | 14:26 |
| ensi | adeus: ok thanks i'll have a look | 14:26 |
| adeus | that fixed my crashing-gdb issues at least | 14:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | Myrtti: i can't seem to get it playing | 14:26 |
| adeus | and gdb 7 has step backwards :) | 14:26 |
| Myrtti | I think the javascript might have had a hiccup with N800 so it never got to the point of getting sound | 14:26 |
| ShadowJK | it took about 2 minutes before I got sound on n900. the interface was confusing me and I was tapping random links | 14:27 |
| Milo- | how do you enable scandic letters for the xterm? | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I get - eventually a play/pause/... bar at the top - whihc doesn't work | 14:29 |
| ShadowJK | i can pick music now :-) | 14:29 |
| fragment | Milo-: they work for me.. but not when using screen (behind ssh connection) | 14:30 |
| ShadowJK | oh I think when i pressed the play button some extra controls popped out and I turned on autorepeat | 14:30 |
| ShadowJK | screen -U | 14:30 |
| Milo- | fragment yeah. would need them for ssh | 14:31 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - started playing for no apparant reason | 14:31 |
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| ShadowJK | i think it just takes time for flash to load | 14:32 |
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| ShadowJK | it was using 100%cpu for awhile for me | 14:32 |
| Milo- | ShadowJK got it. thanks | 14:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | maybe it loads the whole song - I'm on DSL | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | slow DSL | 14:32 |
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| fragment | ShadowJK: ah, -U did the trick :) | 14:33 |
| fragment | Milo-: no problems anymore, I attach to a running screen with -Urd now | 14:33 |
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| Milo- | fragment shall see if that works as intended at home | 14:35 |
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| fragment | Milo-: this is from my N900.. ööääööåå | 14:36 |
| ensi | adeus: any idea how to make this gdb7 work with cgdb? | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | gdb7? | 14:36 |
| adeus | nope | 14:36 |
| adeus | never used cgdb | 14:36 |
| Milo- | fragment same äöäö | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | gdb7 sounds like vaporware | 14:37 |
| Milo- | but how about the browser and tilde? | 14:37 |
| fragment | Milo-: what about them? | 14:37 |
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| adeus | timeless_mbp, what do you mean by that | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | adeus: google hits found the planning pages | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | not the release announcement | 14:38 |
| adeus | then blame google | 14:38 |
| adeus | it's been released | 14:38 |
| adeus | and available for maemo5 | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | nah | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | the fault lies w/ the wiki maintainers for not updating their planning page to say "oh hey, we're finished" | 14:39 |
| * RST38h wonders why anyone would expect someone else to update a wiki page just because their name is on it | 14:40 | |
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| Milo- | fragment tilde doesn't work | 14:44 |
| fragment | Milo-: you're doing it wrong?;) | 14:44 |
| fragment | Milo-: in xterm, open up the sym menu, choose tilde and press space | 14:45 |
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| ensi | what a pain | 14:47 |
| ensi | i'm definitely not going to debug with "gdb" directly | 14:48 |
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| ensi | fucking stone age | 14:48 |
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| ruskie | ??? | 14:49 |
| ruskie | just add the tilde char to the xterm bar | 14:49 |
| ruskie | then it's a single press | 14:49 |
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| pupnik | how do that | 14:50 |
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| pupnik | adding | 14:51 |
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| ruskie | pupnik, it's on talk | 14:51 |
| pupnik | adding |, >, ~ and maybe < to xterm bar would be nice | 14:51 |
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| ruskie | I have ~ | > on it | 14:52 |
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| pupnik | please share how to do that ruskie | 14:52 |
| ruskie | and renamde PgUp PgDn to Up Dn since it's obvious to me what they are | 14:52 |
| ruskie | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels -t list --list-type=string "[Tab,Esc,Up,Dn,~,|,>]" | 14:52 |
| ruskie | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/keys -t list --list-type=string "[Tab,Escape,Page_Up,Page_Down,asciitilde,bar,greater]" | 14:52 |
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| ruskie | as said it's on talk as well | 14:52 |
| pupnik | saying something is on 'talk' is not very helpful | 14:52 |
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| pupnik | thanks! | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | adeus: is this the cgdb in sf.net? | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | because afaict it hasn't changed since 2007 | 14:53 |
| adeus | I know nothing about cgdb | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | https://www.ohloh.net/p/cgdb/commits | 14:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | oops => ensi | 14:53 |
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| ruskie | pupnik, well a quick search on talk should help :) | 14:54 |
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| RST38h | Hehe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/15/best_buy_busybox_software_freedom_law/ | 14:56 |
| pupnik | ruskie - very very nice. I'm wondering where to put those commands.... rc.local? rc2.d? | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | wtf | 14:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | there are two cgdb's? | 14:56 |
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| RST38h | Will this affect Nokia too? =) | 14:57 |
| ensi | timeless_mbp: http://cgdb.sourceforge.net/ | 14:57 |
| ensi | timeless_mbp: its the best gdb frontend there si | 14:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | ensi: it's unmaintained | 14:57 |
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| ensi | timeless_mbp: maybe, dont know, so? | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | there haven't been any commits to their svn for 2 years | 14:58 |
| ensi | and? | 14:58 |
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| ruskie | pupnik, it's a run once forget about it solution | 14:58 |
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| Myrtti | I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole | 14:58 |
| ruskie | pupnik, it will stay after reboots | 14:58 |
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| Myrtti | cdbg, that is | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Why? | 14:59 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: two years of not being maintained? | 14:59 |
| ensi | Myrtti: it works beautifully outside scratchbox | 15:00 |
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| ensi | and well the crashing problem is a problem with gdb crashing | 15:00 |
| Myrtti | ensi: so? | 15:01 |
| sp3000 | "The menu button, for instance, is in the top left-hand corner, but once you're in the menu, there's no obvious way to get back to your home page, until you realise you need to press the power button on the side – or top, if you're using it in landscape mode." oops. | 15:01 |
| ensi | Myrtti: whatever | 15:02 |
| ruskie | sp3000, erm??? | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | 'home page'? | 15:02 |
| ruskie | sp3000, click any desktop area | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: it's a quote | 15:02 |
| ruskie | ahh | 15:02 |
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| sp3000 | hey, everything's a home page since this newfangled web thinger took off, right | 15:02 |
| derf | The phrase you're looking for right now is "cognitive affordance". | 15:03 |
| sp3000 | is that even a phrase? :) | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | derf: i'm not sure anyone hear could pronounce either of those words | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | s/hear/here/ | 15:03 |
| sp3000 | burrn | 15:03 |
| derf | timeless_mbp: I had noticed. | 15:03 |
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| sp3000 | oh it is a phrase | 15:04 |
| jon1012 | I have strange behaviours with findtoolbar | 15:04 |
| jon1012 | has someone already used this ? | 15:04 |
| sp3000 | maybe | 15:04 |
| derf | It's more than one word. | 15:04 |
| derf | So I didn't want to call it "a word". | 15:04 |
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| * sp3000 should one day familiarize himself with the taxonomy of syntax | 15:04 | |
| * timeless_mbp prefers cognitive dissonance | 15:04 | |
| timeless_mbp | btw, where's the bot, my s/// wasn't applied | 15:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | jon1012: you mean like the totally random layout? | 15:05 |
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| Myrtti | timeless_mbp: both of them are nice phrases and makes me smile to pronounce them | 15:05 |
| timeless_mbp | derf: 'concept'? | 15:05 |
| jon1012 | timeless_mbp: if it was onlythis... | 15:05 |
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| derf | timeless_mbp: That would work. | 15:05 |
| jon1012 | timeless_mbp: no :( I can't get any signals... I can't get hen the users clicks enter nor anything | 15:05 |
| derf | But the SS turned down my application to the grammar Nazis. | 15:06 |
| ruskie | timeless_mbp, I'm guessing all the netsplits are keeping it away.... | 15:06 |
| jon1012 | timeless_mbp: any idea why ? maybe I'm using it wrong | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | jon1012: it's a nokia widget? | 15:06 |
| jon1012 | ? | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: bah, infobot should always be on my side of the netsplit! :) | 15:06 |
| jon1012 | hildon.FindToolbar | 15:07 |
| jon1012 | in pymaemo | 15:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | jon1012: you wanted an explanation :) | 15:07 |
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| sp3000 | a netsplit a day keeps the bots away? | 15:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'd be ok w/ one netsplit a day | 15:09 |
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| range | There seems to be a ddos against one (or a few) node(s). | 15:10 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 15:11 |
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| jon1012 | AW CRAP | 15:15 |
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| jon1012 | I found why it wasn't working : the enter key in the SDK isn't catcher.... | 15:15 |
| jon1012 | catched* | 15:15 |
| lardman | caught | 15:15 |
| jon1012 | you have to use the keypad enter to have it work :) | 15:15 |
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| go1dfish | anyone know if its possible to flash a n900 from microsd? | 15:16 |
| anidel | hi | 15:16 |
| lardman | hi anidel | 15:17 |
| anidel | hey lardman... | 15:17 |
| andre__ | jon1012, there's a bug report about it I think :) | 15:17 |
| anidel | how are you doing lardman? | 15:18 |
| anidel | hi Andre | 15:18 |
| lardman | knackered | 15:18 |
| andre__ | heja | 15:18 |
| anidel | you're not alone, lard :) | 15:18 |
| anidel | I've been yawning since this morning when I woke up | 15:19 |
| ruskie | timeless_mbp, DDoS against the servers | 15:19 |
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| lardman | anidel: had planned to go to bed early last night and catch up on sleep, then realised I had work to do for today :( | 15:21 |
| anidel | ah! do it tonight then :) | 15:22 |
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| lardman | still need sleep | 15:23 |
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| anidel | yep | 15:28 |
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| SinofEnvy[] | is it possible to set my N900 so that during a voice conversationwhen I slide it open it goes into speaker mode and when its closed into regular mode? I know the E71 can do this | 15:35 |
| * SpeedEvil injects lardman with 1l of cocoa. | 15:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | SinofEnvy[]: not as yet. | 15:35 |
| SinofEnvy[] | okay thanks. im off then. later | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | SinofEnvy[]: can you switch it manually to that speaker? | 15:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh no! have I driven away a possible convert! | 15:36 |
| ensi | allright | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I must... Say 'meh' in a somewhat indifferent voice. | 15:36 |
| ensi | i made a hack in cgdb so that it works with gdb7 now | 15:36 |
| ensi | the interface is same anyway | 15:36 |
| ensi | appears to work infact | 15:36 |
| ensi | \o/ | 15:36 |
| * SpeedEvil is currently working on my diet. | 15:36 | |
| SpeedEvil | awk + wget | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | My tools for _everything_! | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | (averaging weight properly from a diet site over a 7 day window) | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: so.... gotta love their reslutions | 15:38 |
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| * zash waits eagerly for SpeedEvils guide to preparing chicken with awk and wget | 15:39 | |
| SpeedEvil | zash: well - you jest. | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | zash: but... | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | zash: I could fairly easily add a 'order' button from my supermarket price scraper. | 15:39 |
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| lardman | hmm, Garage down again? | 15:55 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: no, just slow ;) | 15:58 |
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| ensi | anyone happen to know how to produce "@" character inside Xephyr ? | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haidinger%27s_brush | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 16:01 |
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| ifreq | anyone know is there pdfviever for vertical mode | 16:03 |
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| ensi | ARGHAGAH | 16:03 |
| hrw | I wonder how SinofEnvy slides E71 | 16:04 |
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| ensi | anyone? | 16:06 |
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| ensi | some must know how this | 16:06 |
| ensi | :/ | 16:06 |
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| ensi | eugh | 16:08 |
| ensi | maemo dev = 95% solving meta/meta-meta problems 5% of doing the actual work | 16:08 |
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| jon1012 | how to simulate location in SDK ? | 16:10 |
| jon1012 | (python-location) | 16:11 |
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| GAN900 | andre__, you happen to recall offhand whether anybody has filed an enhancement about browse fullscreen/windowing and how it expamds the viewport? | 16:12 |
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| andre__ | GAN900, I only remember a Google Maps report that sounds similar and that was partially invalid and partially fixed | 16:13 |
| xorAxAx | ensi: copy&paste :) | 16:13 |
| ensi | xorAxAx: good joke | 16:13 |
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| lizardo | jon1012: I don't know any way for it yet... but it should be technically possible | 16:16 |
| pupnik_ | Sometimes media player gives me a thumbnail after quitting playback, othertimes it does not. | 16:16 |
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| jon1012 | lizardo: ok | 16:16 |
| tigert | ensi: a hack would be to use US layout? | 16:16 |
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| tigert | looks like alt-gr doesnt work | 16:16 |
| tigert | but shift does | 16:16 |
| ensi | tigert: i actually solved the problem | 16:17 |
| * jon1012 has search result and search refine pages... tonight I'll have a working city envies client :D | 16:17 | |
| ensi | omitted -kb from the Xephyr command line | 16:17 |
| ensi | adn then shift + 2 gievs @ | 16:17 |
| tigert | or enable virtual keyboard | 16:17 |
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| lbt_ | JamieBennett: hey there.... summit videos.... ? | 16:18 |
| nomis | how does one enter a german ß on the english N900 version? | 16:18 |
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| GAN900 | What is it with the Koreans and price fixing? | 16:20 |
| ensi | nomis: gl | 16:20 |
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| nomis | ensi: hm? | 16:20 |
| JamieBennett | lbt_: sent a copy of the disks in the post to Nokia ages ago but heard nothing back. Wanted to upload them but never got an offer of space. | 16:20 |
| JamieBennett | the raw footage that is | 16:21 |
| lbt_ | can you drop a mail to -community or somewhere? | 16:22 |
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| lbt_ | my other half may be able to do some trimming and converting to formats | 16:22 |
| lbt_ | and I can help her run sound filters and the like | 16:22 |
| lbt_ | seems silly that we lose what was quite valuable content | 16:23 |
| lbt_ | how much is there (by Gb) | 16:23 |
| lbt_ | (wondering if you can mail me a DVD or so... or maybe post an SD card back and forth) | 16:24 |
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| pupnik_ | is it true that we lost all the microphone audio for the summit talks? | 16:24 |
| pupnik_ | i think i have one full talk recorded off n900 | 16:25 |
| pupnik_ | on | 16:25 |
| cehteh | hehe one with working microphone? :) | 16:25 |
| GAN900 | Ugh, MicroB scrolling artifacts. | 16:26 |
| cehteh | it leaks pixels :) | 16:27 |
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| lbt_ | pupnik_: I heard there was a sound issue... didn't hear if it was a total loss or just low level | 16:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | GAN900: i just got a demo of the browser running really fast | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | it's shiny fast | 16:29 |
| lbt_ | low level could be handled with some filtering if we're lucky | 16:29 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, for Harmattan? ;) | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | no :) | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | we're still working on fremantle :) | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | an internal track got 1.9.2 recently (you won't see that in the first real update, but hopefully the one after that) | 16:31 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: 1.9.2 so Namoroka? | 16:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | no | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | 1.9.2 is a gecko version, the thing you mention is a firefox codename | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | we aren't shipping firefox | 16:32 |
| hrw | I mean xulrunner 1.9.2 as in Namoroka | 16:32 |
| anidel | timeless; still working on Fremantle? so we can expect the Maemo 6 device to be delayed again? :D :D :p | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | anidel: two parallel teams | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | not much overlap (just sp3000 and myself mostly) | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Namoroka | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | After Firefox3.5 ("Shiretoko") is released, the next version of Firefox will be developed under the project name "Namoroka". | 16:33 |
| anidel | timeless: read the bug report about the 1.9.2, it was related to the passwords fields not showing the letters one at a time before substituting them with *, wasn't it? | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | officially Namoroka is the Firefox codename | 16:33 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: I know, I use it | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | my point is that it isn't the codename for the gecko side | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly, gecko hasn't had codenames | 16:33 |
| hrw | understood | 16:33 |
| anidel | timeless: is FF 3.6 already in alpha? | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 16:34 |
| timeless_mbp | it's in rc i think | 16:34 |
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| anidel | ah right | 16:34 |
| anidel | ok | 16:34 |
| hrw | beta | 16:34 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-rc.html | 16:34 |
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| hrw | timeless_mbp: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/Screenshot-20091210-173544.png http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/Screenshot-20091214-081553.png are known issues for you? | 16:34 |
| timeless_mbp | it hasn't been in alpha for a long time | 16:34 |
| pupnik_ | anyone found a hack to not give new window focus (Browser: open in new window) | 16:34 |
| anidel | yup | 16:34 |
| anidel | and yup 1.9.2 is the gecko engine | 16:34 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: define "issues" | 16:35 |
| pupnik_ | should be a wm setting, normally | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly speaking we aren't going to do work on theming that stuff | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | if a theme wants to theme us, great | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | if someone from the community wants to provide a better baseline theme, i'll gladly help | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise <nothing will happen> | 16:35 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: first one (wrong certificate) can be quite common on n900 so would be nice to have it hildonized | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: WONTFIX | 16:36 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: I can live with second | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a bug which clearly explains this | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | again, if you or someone else wants to theme gecko's xul to be prettier, i'll help | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise WONTFIX | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | we are *NOT* _WASTING_ months of work porting xul to hildon | 16:36 |
| hrw | k | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | however, i will *gladly* help you or someone else write css to improve the look+feel | 16:37 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 16:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | 'Serwer\nAdres:' seems like a bug | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | it feels like the text box had a minimum size and the string didn't have a nowrap | 16:38 |
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| hrw | maybe | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Re fast browser, can I have a peek? :) | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: i'd have to figure out all of the packages that it'd take | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | i suspect that's way too many for me to handle | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: anyway, that server's cert expired at the end of last month | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | contact that admin and get them to fix it | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 16:39 |
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| hrw | timeless_mbp: and then another server and another and another and.... | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i claim the 'Server\nLocation:' bit is buggy | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: ah, well it sounds very interesting ;) | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: if the servers you visit aren't properly maintained, then you shouldn't visit them | 16:39 |
| anidel | they can have interesting contents nonetheless :P :) just joking hrw | 16:40 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: give me hosting where my website can use my own SSL cert in price of my current one :D | 16:40 |
| JamieBennett | lbt_: There are 5 DVD's. I think the last lot got lost in the post as we've had postal strikes here and I've not heard anything from Nokia (and I stupidly didn't pay for the tracking service). | 16:40 |
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| hrw | timeless_mbp: do you support CaCert certificates btw? | 16:40 |
| JamieBennett | I do have backups though. | 16:41 |
| JamieBennett | Just need someone with about 40GB of hosting space so I can upload them | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: define 'support' | 16:41 |
| JamieBennett | X-Fade? | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | last i checked the cacert team had indicated they hadn't cleaned up their CA key story | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | JamieBennett: Don't look at me :) | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and until they claim that they're ready and provide a request to be added | 16:41 |
| JamieBennett | :) | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | then no, i support them in having work to do to clean up their act | 16:41 |
| hrw | ok | 16:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | wrt server location, yeah, that seems stupid | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | we should be able to fix it | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | would you like to try? | 16:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrw: roughly, the problem with expired certificates is that PKI was designed such that a CA would not need to retain information about Expired Revoked Certificates | 16:43 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: my n900 is packed and I am waiting for courier to pick it up | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: you don't really need the n900 | 16:43 |
| anidel | yeah so cancel your order :p | 16:44 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: so hwo to check? | 16:44 |
| JamieBennett | X-Fade is there really no server where I can upload this video? | 16:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrw: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=Certificate%20Status&find=dtd$ is my starting point | 16:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i used en-us to trigger that dialog | 16:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | and then i searched for 'Certificate Status' which is 'Status certyfikatu' in your ui | 16:45 |
| wazd_n800 | o/ all | 16:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 16:45 |
| timeless_mbp | 139 <!ENTITY exceptionMgr.certlocation.caption2 "Server"> | 16:45 |
| timeless_mbp | 140 <!ENTITY exceptionMgr.certlocation.url "Location:"> | 16:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | seems like those things are independent | 16:46 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders why | 16:46 | |
| hrw | on desktop "Server" is caption of GroupWidget which contains Location label, text field, button | 16:46 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: go to http://szluug.org/ in your dekstop gecko browser | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=exceptionMgr&find=security | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: ah | 16:47 |
| anidel | hi wazd | 16:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | right, the group box has no styling | 16:48 |
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| * sejo secretly hopes someone will provide a dvorak keyboard for the nokia | 16:49 | |
| timeless_mbp | sejo: 'the nokia'? | 16:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | what kind of animal is 'the nokia'? | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: anyway, the url i gave above led me to the same point | 16:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrw: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=groupbox&find=theme.*css | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | shows the various themes and how they manage groupboxes | 16:51 |
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| sejo | sorry the n900 | 16:51 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: ok, not now | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | if you compare the pinstripe theme: | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/microb-engine/toolkit/themes/pinstripe/global/groupbox.css#52 | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll see that it does something useful | 16:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | whereas the gnomestripe theme does not | 16:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrw: i just want you to understand how you can do this | 16:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | i have to go play w/ fire...wire | 16:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | and flash...streaming...video | 16:53 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: thx | 16:53 |
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| * SpeedEvil tries to remember who did the firewire song. | 16:53 | |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, heya | 17:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: moo indeed | 17:02 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless: is the history updating thing faster? I guess it's not handled by gecko | 17:05 |
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| ersin | testing maemo rtcomm... | 17:06 |
| ersin | woot | 17:07 |
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| kurtan | how much % does the default install take of rootfs ? | 17:08 |
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| Jaffa | kurtan: About 50%(ish) | 17:08 |
| kurtan | mkay | 17:08 |
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| kurtan | 74% use isnt that bad then | 17:09 |
| kurtan | :P | 17:09 |
| Lantizia | Hey I just installed package ioquake3 but it won't run - am I right in assuming I need extra files? (like the maps maybe?) | 17:10 |
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| Lantizia | oh and I'm on fremantle | 17:10 |
| anidel | Lantizia: yup, you need them | 17:10 |
| Lantizia | anidel, can you remind me which ones and where they go? or perhaps a link to a howto - google is coming up with very ltitle | 17:11 |
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| Lantizia | anidel, got the disc in my hand | 17:11 |
| jon1012 | someone knws how to link to the phone app from pymaemo ? | 17:11 |
| anidel | uhm.. I think they go in a dir called baseq3 ? don't remember ... | 17:11 |
| jon1012 | I have a phone number on a label and I want to add a link | 17:11 |
| jon1012 | to call directly | 17:11 |
| * Lantizia wonders how Unreal Tournament 1999 would fair :D | 17:11 | |
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| Jaffa | jon1012: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?CSD programming information&id=1106&type=g describes some of the D-Bus info | 17:13 |
| jon1012 | thanks | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | jon1012: I dunno if there is a D-Bus signal which will open the phone and start a call. It'd be cool if there was | 17:14 |
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| Robot101 | uh, yes. its Telepathy, so you can just request a channel. | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | Robot101: Some canonical info, rather than having gcobb reverse engineer it would be useful :) | 17:15 |
| Dr_Cain | quick question, is there anyway to "right click"? | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Jaffa: dbus call to start a call is on jebba,s user-site | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer51: And, WTF is "jebba's user-site"? | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Jaffa: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#DBUS | 17:18 |
| Dr_Cain | eg. in vncviewer | 17:18 |
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| Lantizia | If I was to get a tiny tiny package off the debian repository (it's a little multipart downloader called axel)... which Debian repo should I use (I know it's a risk)... sarge... etch... or lenny? | 17:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Jaffa: works nicely | 17:18 |
| Lantizia | I'm on frantle | 17:18 |
| Lantizia | *fremantle | 17:19 |
| Lantizia | i.e. which debian release is maemo 5 closer to? | 17:19 |
| jeremiah | Lantizia: Hard to say, but most likely lenny | 17:20 |
| hrw | Lantizia: etch lenny | 17:20 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, it is a blend | 17:20 |
| jeremiah | You'll want to do a uname -a | 17:20 |
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| jeremiah | to get more info on the kernel for example. | 17:21 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer51: Perhaps it's worth combining gcobb's CSD info with Jebba's in a new /Phone_control article | 17:21 |
| jeremiah | I think an article would be cool | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Jaffa: not my call though. And WTF is gcobb,s CSD info? ;-D | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer51: The URL I linked above ;-p | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | jebba: Fancy taking dbus-send-call and working with gcobb on a proper wiki page? | 17:24 |
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| mgedmin | so, does N900's Backup/Restore ignore packages that aren't in user/ (like less or subversion), or was it running-out-of-disk-space that interrupted it? | 17:52 |
| GAN900 | sejo, what in the world would be the point of Dvorak on the N900? | 17:54 |
| * GAN900 is a Dvorak typist, by the way. | 17:54 | |
| zash | kinda pointless if you mostly use your thumbs | 17:55 |
| Corsac | just to not user yet another keymap, I guess | 17:55 |
| Corsac | -r | 17:55 |
| GAN900 | Indeed | 17:55 |
| Corsac | (is the hardware keymap switchable?) | 17:56 |
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| jebba | need a keyboard layout optimized for thumbs :) | 17:56 |
| Dr_Cain | put notes on the keys? | 17:57 |
| njsf | Anybody notices that usage when usb plugged still drains battery on the n900? | 17:57 |
| zash | jebba: +1 | 17:58 |
| ilovefish | just curious, how fast do you manage to type on the keyboard? | 17:58 |
| zash | jebba: for T9 keypads too! | 17:58 |
| njsf | I even had it usb plugged overnight and it was half way drain | 17:58 |
| greenfly_ | njsf: using the actual charger or some other usb cable? | 17:59 |
| njsf | The usb cable | 18:00 |
| GAN900 | ilovefish, slightly slower than I managed on the onscreen keyboard on my N800. | 18:00 |
| greenfly_ | could be the usb port you are plugging it into isn't powered, or at least isn't sufficiently powered | 18:00 |
| GAN900 | So, 40 wpm range likely. | 18:00 |
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| jkimball4 | njsf: I've seen that with the actual charger | 18:02 |
| jkimball4 | but my n900 is kind of bugged | 18:02 |
| jkimball4 | waiting for dell to get stock for a replacement | 18:02 |
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| njsf | Greenfly_ maybe, but I tried like 3 dif usb ports on this... Granted all laptops | 18:04 |
| greenfly_ | njsf: try on a desktop | 18:04 |
| greenfly_ | or better, a powered usb hub | 18:04 |
| GAN900 | Woo, more GPL lawsuits. | 18:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | heh, Harald W. getting angry again? :-) | 18:06 |
| AbstractW | Is dell selling N900s again? | 18:06 |
| njsf | Will try... But not very nice of the n900 to do this... Should say that the port does not enough powe | 18:07 |
| greenfly_ | njsf: the port is probably providing some power, just not the full amount the n900 needs to charge fast | 18:08 |
| greenfly_ | you are probably getting a trickle charge | 18:08 |
| jon1012 | warg, why it isn't said anywhare that on maemo, Labels should have defined alignment to work like on other platforms ? | 18:09 |
| jon1012 | to get the same behaviour than with raw pygtk for left alignment, I have to do a .set_alignment(0.0, 0.0) | 18:09 |
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| jon1012 | (and I bet it's a known thing since on details.cc in hildon-application-manager, the same is done) | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | njsf: was the USB even noticed. N900 not noticing a charger/usb-host plugin is quite common. Always check if the charging is indicated by bat gadget and/or yellow LED | 18:15 |
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| qole | I'm wondering about build quality on the N900s. Where were they made? There seems to be a lot of problems... | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | korea | 18:18 |
| qole | a factory that Nokia has used before? | 18:18 |
| ShadowJK | it's their own probably | 18:19 |
| Laiska | qole: What kind of problems? I think they are quite sturdy actually | 18:19 |
| Laiska | Of course, wont know until after some time.. | 18:19 |
| qole | if you get a good one, it is great. | 18:20 |
| njsf | DocScrutinizer51 Yes it was noticed and the battery icon was animating as charging | 18:20 |
| qole | but there seem to be a lot of bad ones from the factory | 18:20 |
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| ShadowJK | all covered by the warranty :) | 18:21 |
| therock | heh but the feeling of getting a broken device is never covered again :D | 18:22 |
| qole | at first I thought it was just complainers in the forums, but then the DDP people started saying they had problems, too | 18:22 |
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| qole | and the DDP has no warranty | 18:22 |
| ShadowJK | quick googling suggests that Nokia has factories in Finland, Germany, Hungary, South Korea, China, Singapore, USA, Mexico, Brazil and India | 18:22 |
| ShadowJK | therock, that's true :( | 18:23 |
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| GAN900 | Ugh, so tired of AC-10Es | 18:23 |
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| AbstractW | Amazon.com has N900s for sale! | 18:23 |
| AbstractW | $550, with a $50 rebate. | 18:23 |
| AbstractW | http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N900-Unlocked-Computer-Touchscreen/dp/B002OB49SW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1260894190&sr=8-1&tag=fire-fox-20 | 18:23 |
| * jshupe bought one from Amazon.com on Friday and is waiting for it to ship tomorrow | 18:24 | |
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| therock | anybody heard of the people that got a new one under warrenty how long they waited for the replacement? | 18:25 |
| jshupe | Delivery estimate: December 18, 2009 :/ | 18:25 |
| qole | I just got one with a piece of dirt trapped between the display and the touchscreen. I've never even heard of that before. | 18:25 |
| therock | just curius | 18:25 |
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| therock | lol qole | 18:25 |
| therock | guess you own a piece of korea now ? :P | 18:25 |
| qole | no, not lol at all. | 18:25 |
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| therock | what did nokia say to you? | 18:26 |
| njsf | Any good battery level applet around for the 900? | 18:26 |
| qole | it also had a bright pixel, but the dirt was a shock. | 18:26 |
| therock | how much dirt is there? | 18:26 |
| therock | 2-3cm? | 18:26 |
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| qole | no just a speck of black on the display. | 18:27 |
| therock | okay | 18:27 |
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| therock | still strange a hell | 18:27 |
| therock | that they did't catch that in the QA | 18:28 |
| xorAxAx | is ilkka salmine on irc? | 18:28 |
| GAN900 | The screen on my production N900 is way more yellow. | 18:28 |
| qole | very strange | 18:28 |
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| therock | what did nokia say? "sorry you will get a replacement in 3month" | 18:28 |
| qole | this can't be a regular factory for Nokia... new factory, new management, striking workers replaced by scabs, something... | 18:29 |
| AbstractW | Does Amazon have a case for the N900 yet? | 18:29 |
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| qole | no answer from Nokia yet | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | That's no dirt. That's a real bug ;-P | 18:30 |
| therock | okay | 18:30 |
| therock | hhahah | 18:30 |
| therock | but qole, yeah something like a new factory could easy be it | 18:30 |
| qole | there are just too many QA problems | 18:31 |
| therock | ye i think they are doing cuts in QA like all other companys | 18:31 |
| qole | The front facing camera, for instance. What's with that?? | 18:31 |
| therock | what about it? | 18:31 |
| therock | mines working fine | 18:32 |
| qole | have you tried "mirror" yet? | 18:32 |
| therock | ye | 18:32 |
| qole | black band on one side, grainy, etc... | 18:32 |
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| GAN900 | Think that's software. . . . | 18:33 |
| GAN900 | Plus a really shit sensor. | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think that's a driver issue | 18:33 |
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| therock | the prox sens? | 18:33 |
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| qole | there's got to be some hardware problems there, even if the driver can fix it... | 18:34 |
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| therock | well ye the front sux but i did't buy the phone for a fancy camera | 18:34 |
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| qole | texrat had his USB socket pull right out of the device... | 18:35 |
| therock | ye but was that not a pre? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Nah. Set a digital hasselblad to 64000ASA, 1u sec exposure time, and you get exactly same | 18:35 |
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| qole | still seems like there are QA probs with the N900 | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ack | 18:36 |
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| therock | well i really hope that nokia has high priority on this device and get alot of what it can do fixed | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not on a whole reel of cam modules though which for sure are checked on delivery to fab | 18:37 |
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| therock | but from what i read on the net, they dont ;( | 18:37 |
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| Milo- | using the ovi maps, how do you search for an address? | 18:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is this a reasonable bug? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6839 | 18:44 |
| povbot | Bug 6839: Phone network (2g/3g) mode not changable when data connection is active. | 18:44 |
| therock | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6839 | 18:44 |
| povbot | Bug 6839: Phone network (2g/3g) mode not changable when data connection is active. | 18:44 |
| therock | argh damn copy paste | 18:44 |
| Laiska | Milo-: The symbol from the upper right hand corner.. | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I would consider the current behaviour - greyed out selector with no UI indicatrion as to why it's grayed out - a clear bug | 18:44 |
| Milo- | Laiska yes but it only lets me search for 'places' | 18:45 |
| Milo- | 'search places, route, information' | 18:45 |
| AbstractW | Anyone have any suggestions for a screen protector, or a case for the N900? | 18:45 |
| Laiska | Milo-: just start typing the address | 18:46 |
| Laiska | it will fill out suggestions | 18:46 |
| Laiska | including street names | 18:46 |
| Milo- | Laiska using the 'search places'? | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: close as invalid! | 18:46 |
| Milo- | Laiska if I take the 'search places / etsi paikkoja' and start writing an address | 18:47 |
| Milo- | it will very soon notify me that there are no such places | 18:48 |
| Laiska | Milo-: yes.. it will find the place if you fill the whole address, e.g. streename 12 | 18:48 |
| Laiska | Oh | 18:48 |
| Laiska | stragne | 18:48 |
| Laiska | *strange | 18:48 |
| Laiska | works fine for me | 18:48 |
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| Milo- | lets try mannerheimintie 3 | 18:48 |
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| Laiska | Yup, found it | 18:49 |
| Milo- | oh | 18:49 |
| Milo- | it found it now | 18:49 |
| Milo- | guess it required an internet connection | 18:49 |
| Milo- | some dude in the train cheered at me today | 18:49 |
| larswey | does anyone know if or when there will be added perl support to irssi? | 18:49 |
| Laiska | Yeah, I suppose it fetches them over the net | 18:49 |
| Milo- | "Awesome phone you got there!" | 18:49 |
| Laiska | no idea if it stores some information locally or not | 18:49 |
| Milo- | and then he showed me his N900 :D | 18:49 |
| larswey | AbstractW, http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php | 18:49 |
| larswey | i recomend it | 18:50 |
| AbstractW | Thanks larswey. | 18:50 |
| Milo- | larswey that's a lot of money for a piece of plastic | 18:50 |
| AbstractW | Yes, it is. | 18:50 |
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| Milo- | but then again, n900 also costs a lot of money for a piece of plastic :P | 18:50 |
| larswey | Milo-, indeed, but its worth it. that thing is epic | 18:50 |
| larswey | both of them :p | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Where is an online copy of the user manual? | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | My device is currently in the garden failing to get a GPS fix | 18:51 |
| larswey | SpeedEvil, not alone i hope.. | 18:51 |
| jon1012 | (if someone is interested I did a scrubber that takes pure html content and converts it to gtk label markup compatible text) | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | larswey: yes - it's quite isolated | 18:52 |
| SpeedEvil | And I somewhat doubt there are people in my area lurking :) | 18:52 |
| larswey | hehe | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: will continue to fail wihout "A" | 18:52 |
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| Milo- | is there a way of auto-closing internet connection once it's no longer needed? | 18:53 |
| Jagoo | there is no way to intelligently define "needed" | 18:53 |
| Jagoo | the fact that the connection is sitting basically idle is not a good metric | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Most providers do not charge for idle connections. | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 18:54 |
| Milo- | SpeedEvil but it costs battery life | 18:55 |
| larswey | does any provider charge for idle connections? | 18:55 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, what do you mean reasonable bug? | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 18:55 |
| Jagoo | lardman|gone: yes, time-based pricing | 18:55 |
| Laiska | Jagoo: I suppose that one way to define "intelligent" would be e.g. if the display has been dimmed for ~15 minutes, the connection _probably_ is not needed | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: a bug that 'moved to brainstorm' is not an acceptable resolution ofr. | 18:55 |
| ShadowJK | Well, you'd lose IMs | 18:55 |
| Milo- | well, e71 defined 'needed' through used processes | 18:55 |
| Laiska | ofcourse, execptions exist | 18:55 |
| ShadowJK | and voip | 18:55 |
| Jagoo | Laiska: bad metric, what if I want my RSS feeds autoupdated (most people do) | 18:55 |
| Milo- | if you had oppened putty for ssh connection and when you closed putty, it would turn off the connection. | 18:56 |
| Laiska | Jagoo: Why could not they be updated once you open the device? | 18:56 |
| Jagoo | Laiska: or if I want to be available to be called via skype | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Laiska: my SIP account would think different | 18:56 |
| Jagoo | Laiska: I cant receive an incoming skype call if the connection is not up | 18:56 |
| Laiska | As said, execptions exist :D | 18:56 |
| Milo- | I don't use IM stuff :o | 18:56 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not entirely convinced an *unused* data connection idling uses more battery anyway. | 18:56 |
| Milo- | other than IRC | 18:56 |
| Laiska | But for me, it is not a problem, connection always open | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: it does - fundamentrally there are keep-alive packets of various sorts | 18:57 |
| Milo- | Laiska how often you charge? | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: if it uses enough more that it's an issue is a swper4ate question | 18:57 |
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| Laiska | Milo-: Basically once a day | 18:57 |
| Jagoo | Laiska: also, what if I run LAMP on my n900? :) | 18:57 |
| Milo- | Laiska ew :) | 18:57 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yeah I mean it never used enough for me to notice any difference on my symbian phone even if a connection was left open for weeks, but on N900 of course you've got much more going on using the internet connection | 18:58 |
| AbstractW | Jagoo: You could try, lets see what happens :) | 18:58 |
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| AbstractW | PipeR: $550, with a $50 rebate. | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Milo-: there's a lot of people who want bash. It's somewhere in a repo but I've been told it will bork all kinds of scripts when installed standard way | 19:05 |
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| AbstractW | Making the total $500 | 19:05 |
| |R | AbstractW: nice :) | 19:05 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, we don't actually know whether the connection has to be disconnected/reconnected first, or if it's just the UI that's broken. My older symbian phone couldn't do it on the fly. My newer one seems able to do it on the fly. Regardless of the underlying reason, there is *some* bug in the UI.. | 19:05 |
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| |R | AbstractW: i hate being in canada haha ;) | 19:06 |
| Milo- | lets see how well youtube works | 19:06 |
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| |R | (well not really but for bleeding edge electronic, indeed :P) | 19:06 |
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| AbstractW | |R: Can't you just order it from amazon us? | 19:06 |
| AbstractW | Or are the tarrifs that bad? | 19:06 |
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| |R | AbstractW: they wont ship electronic up north | 19:06 |
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| n900evil | docs: indeed no fix no A after 15mins | 19:06 |
| AbstractW | yuck. | 19:06 |
| fnordianslip | DocScrutinizer-8: bash works ok for me, although I've only switched user to use it, root still uses ash | 19:06 |
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| n900evil | with agps 30s | 19:07 |
| |R | AbstractW: and amazon.ca dones't have the same stocks... | 19:07 |
| AbstractW | I'd offer to order you one, but yeah. | 19:07 |
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| |R | AbstractW: but they do ship books from the states, mega-wtf :P | 19:07 |
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| n900evil | after 2days no gps | 19:07 |
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| |R | AbstractW: well i got it already from mobile city online... but i'm pissed i have to find a dealer who can ship it here, i could have gotten the dell deal at 440! | 19:07 |
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| wazd_n800 | ~seen vdvsx | 19:07 |
| ShadowJK | bug 6502 | 19:07 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6502 Control Panel: Cannot change Network mode when Network selection is "Automatic" | 19:07 |
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| n900evil | also - keyboard impossible to use with gloves and iced fingers | 19:08 |
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| ShadowJK | That one is confirmed and even has an internal alias | 19:08 |
| n900evil | heated keyboard needed | 19:08 |
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| therock | hehe | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | n900evil: hehe | 19:09 |
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| n900evil | sigh | 19:10 |
| ifreq | siegh | 19:11 |
| n900evil | sleigh | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | n900evil: use raster's correcting guessing kbd! works with gloves just fine ;-) | 19:11 |
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| AbstractW | I really hope I can remap my keyboard on my N900. | 19:13 |
| AbstractW | Dvorak++ | 19:13 |
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| wolf^ | pupnik, maybe there's some option to "dpkg -l" to behave like "ls -1"? | 19:26 |
| wolf^ | pupnik, ie. list the packages without all the decorations? | 19:26 |
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| wolf^ | pupnik, I could work with that | 19:26 |
| _berto_ | wolf^: dpkg --get-selections | 19:26 |
| Robot101 | dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ { print $2 }' | 19:26 |
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| _berto_ | also | 19:26 |
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| Robot101 | when in a pipe, dpkg -l makes the columns as wide as they need to be, so nothing is truncated | 19:26 |
| ShadowJK | to the guy with upgrade issues (lost nick in splits), what repos are enabled? | 19:26 |
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| wolf^ | --get-selections also shows some junk ("install"), so it's no go | 19:27 |
| wolf^ | ShadowJK, extras-devel just for qt4 upgrade | 19:27 |
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| wolf^ | ShadowJK, I don't use it normally | 19:27 |
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| pupnik | thanks Robot101 _berto_ | 19:28 |
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| AbstractW | Anyone got VNC server up and running on their N900? | 19:29 |
| Robot101 | wolf^: er... you can cut that out too :D | 19:29 |
| timeless | anyone remember where repo pins live? | 19:29 |
| * timeless needs a way to wipe them out | 19:29 | |
| mgedmin | /etc/apt/preferences? | 19:29 |
| AbstractW | VNC server = win for additional input devices :) | 19:29 |
| zash | AbstractW: wat? | 19:30 |
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| ShadowJK | sdk tools or sdk repo active? | 19:30 |
| AbstractW | VNC Server. | 19:30 |
| AbstractW | Does someone have a VNC server up and running on their N900? | 19:30 |
| tg | hi. | 19:30 |
| Robot101 | wolf^: dpkg --get-selections | awk '/\<install/ { print $1 }' | 19:30 |
| Robot101 | :) | 19:30 |
| mgedmin | AbstractW, x11vnc seems to work, so yes | 19:30 |
| AbstractW | Sweet. | 19:30 |
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| wolf^ | Robot101, my distro uses rpm, so I'm used to "rpm -U `rpm -qa|grep foobar`" | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | for values of work | 19:31 |
| AbstractW | VNC server is what made me actually like my iphone about 2 days ago. | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | e.g. it won't unblank your screen | 19:31 |
| wolf^ | Robot101, kind of shame dpkg/apt-get requires shell magic | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | and mouse clicks don't carry pressure information, making some apps (like fbreader) ignore them | 19:31 |
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| timeless | mgedmin: i mean the ham stuff | 19:31 |
| wolf^ | Robot101, thanks anyway, but I think I'd opt for "cut" ;) | 19:31 |
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| Robot101 | wolf^: you'd need grep and cut... how wasteful :) | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | timeless, ham has pins? | 19:32 |
| timeless | not the way you're used to | 19:32 |
| AbstractW | mgedmin: Well, thats to be expected. But, it'll be great for keyboard input. | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | no, it ain't | 19:32 |
| timeless | if you install a package from a given repo | 19:32 |
| Robot101 | wolf^: anyway, you don't need to make a list to feed it to apt-get, you just run apt-get upgrade | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | enter opens fullscreen kbd, doesn't enter a newline | 19:32 |
| timeless | updates are generally restricted to the same repo | 19:32 |
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| AbstractW | mgedmin: Yuck. | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | screen blanking is not disabled if you control it over vnc, so it goes black in the middle of a worAIEEEEE | 19:33 |
| timeless | splits+=1 | 19:33 |
| wolf^ | Robot101, but it wants to upgrade everything then | 19:33 |
| jebba | http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/ | 19:33 |
| AbstractW | Well, I could remap the enter key to a newline in the VNC config. | 19:33 |
| wolf^ | Robot101, including things from extras-devel I don't want to have upgraded | 19:33 |
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| mgedmin | jfyi, AbstractW, I dunno how a normal user starts x11vc, but I do it over ssh: ssh user@mg-n900.local x11vnc | 19:34 |
| * evo survived a double shock this morning: dentist and n900 not turning on | 19:34 | |
| mgedmin | maybe there's some icon somewhere in app menu that you can click | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I think I've figured it out. If you at all make suggestions on what the correct behaviour is, or suggestions on how to fix a bug, it gets considered an enhancement and killed off | 19:34 |
| wolf^ | "apt-get install `dpkg -l | cut -f 3 -d\ |grep libqt4-maemo`" works for me | 19:35 |
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| AbstractW | mgedmin: Thanks thats helpful. I assume you could create a shortcut on a desktop to run shell scripts. | 19:35 |
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| mgedmin | AbstractW, there's an x11vnc icon in my app menu | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | dunno what it does | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | let me try | 19:36 |
| Robot101 | wolf^: dpkg -l can include packages which aren't installed, so you need to grep for ^ii | 19:36 |
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| AbstractW | I airmailed myself a phone, should be here thursday or friday :) | 19:36 |
| Robot101 | wolf^: also, dpkg -l libqt4-maemo* avoids a grep :) | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | opens a black window with a x11vnc title and forever-spinning spinner | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | will likely timeout soon, this is the maemo version of launch notification | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | question is: if you start it from GUI, how do you stop it? | 19:37 |
| wolf^ | Robot101, BTW, how is that * handled? shouldn't shell expand it? | 19:37 |
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| mgedmin | wolf^, better escape it, but dpkg also handles wildcards | 19:37 |
| AbstractW | mgedmin: I look at vnc as a system service -- it should start on phone start. | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | NO | 19:38 |
| Jaffa | wolf^: Only if there are files in the current working dir which match it, otherwise the shell passes the * through. | 19:38 |
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| mgedmin | passwordless VNC? no! | 19:38 |
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| Jaffa | AbstractW: No, it should have a start/stop GUI | 19:38 |
| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad#Bugdays Bugday RSN | 19:38 |
| AbstractW | mgedmin: Oh, hell no! Passwordless = NO. | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | well, it should have a cpanel capplet | 19:38 |
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| mgedmin | with "enabled|disabled", options for password, option to interactively allow/deny | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | like GNOME's vino, really | 19:38 |
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| wolf^ | Jaffa, zsh: no matches found: foobar* ;) | 19:38 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Indeed; isn't that a bit fiddly? We moaned about that for Bluetooth in Maemo <=4 | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | heh, tap the icon twice, end up with two x11vnc copies running | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | probably listening on different ports | 19:39 |
| AbstractW | yep. | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | I'm fine with "enabled by default, asks for confirmation interactively" | 19:39 |
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| AbstractW | vnc will try a different port if the first one is in use. | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | but not with "enabled by default, lets anybody anywhere control your n900, or just watch the passwords you enter before they turn into stars" | 19:40 |
| AbstractW | mgedmin: If you have to physically confirm on the phone a VNC connection, then passwordless is okay by me. | 19:40 |
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| AbstractW | Thats currently how VNC on the iphone works. | 19:40 |
| AbstractW | VNC should be a service, that you can start /stop with your standard init.d scripts. | 19:41 |
| Jaffa | AbstractW: s/init.d scripts/upstart/ | 19:42 |
| AbstractW | I forgot that the N900 was using upstart :) | 19:42 |
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| fnordianslip | this is fscked up | 19:56 |
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| zash | nice, ~5 pages of joins | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | wheeee | 19:56 |
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| timeless | /ignore #maemo joins parts | 19:59 |
| timeless | :) | 19:59 |
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| eitreach | Has anyone experienced problems with the media player of the N900? Sometimes it simply stops working for me, and only a reboot fixes it. | 20:01 |
| eitreach | Is it a known bug? | 20:02 |
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| mgedmin | eitreach, never heard of it | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | try searching bugs.maemo.org | 20:06 |
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| Macer | wow ... freenode is broken :) | 20:20 |
| GAN900_ | ddos | 20:20 |
| aSIMULAtor | it's always broken | 20:21 |
| aSIMULAtor | ridiculous the amount of netsplits that occur everyday | 20:21 |
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| AbstractW | freenode? more like freesplit :) | 20:55 |
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| slonopotamus | btw, it drains battery pretty fast | 20:56 |
| toggles_w | slonopotamus: disconnect your computer from the wall | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 20:56 |
| red | :D | 20:56 |
| slonopotamus | does christel ever sleep? | 20:56 |
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| red | it also tells you to unplug charger from the wall, if you have the usb cord connected to phone and disconnect the charger from the wall | 20:56 |
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| red | alas, it has no way knowing which end of the cord you unplug first :p | 20:56 |
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| red | anyway to make the phone default pick PC Suite connection once plugged into a pc btw? it | 20:56 |
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| red | it's not big deal thought | 20:56 |
| red | AbstractW: ircnets tend to crack when being DDOS:d :p | 20:56 |
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| red | or then they are experiencing alot more problems than usually, since theres plenty netsplits today | 20:56 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, luke-jr says he's unable to boot with latest udev. have you tried? | 20:57 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: I have udev blocked, because it tells since some version it needs newer kernel | 20:57 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, yep. although, 141 + baselayout-2 works pretty fast | 21:02 |
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| AbstractW | Can I switch my keymap in Maemo? | 21:05 |
| AbstractW | To Dvorak? :P | 21:05 |
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| johnsq | AbstractW: if you can don it! I don't know, but it is possible. | 21:06 |
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| johnsq | -n | 21:06 |
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| timeless | /ignore #maemo joins parts signoff | 21:12 |
| AbstractW | I've got a crappy IRC client. | 21:13 |
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| jukey_ | hi, does anyone have an idea what to do here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6947 | 21:21 |
| povbot` | Bug 6947: Error: ssl_error_bad_mac_read one some https-websites (e.g. https://bugs.maemo.org) | 21:21 |
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| jukey_ | I get this error on most https pages | 21:22 |
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| rabbitear | I can not beleive this, just buying a n900 on amazon right now, and without a few seconds, the price went up (I even had it in the shopping cart) from 550 usd, to 780 usd!!!!! | 21:30 |
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| rabbitear | I can not freakin believe that! | 21:30 |
| rabbitear | less then 1 minute!! | 21:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | So? | 21:30 |
| SpeedEvil | random sellers can changte prices as they choose | 21:30 |
| rabbitear | I know | 21:31 |
| rabbitear | just sucks, if I had not tried the 'cheap shipping' thing, would have had it | 21:31 |
| mikhas | didnt this happen before? price races on amazon I mean? | 21:32 |
| rabbitear | well where is a good place to get an n900 unlocked? | 21:32 |
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| arachnist | rabbitear: in poland the N900 costs 2500pln and, as google calculator can tell you, 2500 pln == 870 usd | 21:33 |
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| rabbitear | dells got one for 600usd, if that doesn't price race too | 21:35 |
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| rabbitear | ships within 3-5 weeks tho | 21:38 |
| timeless | lukey: is your clock valid? | 21:38 |
| timeless | and can you try fennec? | 21:38 |
| timeless | roughly, if he problem happens in fennec, a bug needs to be filed in bugzilla.mozilla.org | 21:38 |
| rabbitear | I'll wait again, before doing something stpuid :/ | 21:39 |
| jukey_ | fennec works fine | 21:42 |
| jukey_ | with all pages | 21:42 |
| jukey_ | microb normaly too | 21:42 |
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| jukey_ | but after restoring a backup made on an other n900 i get the error for all https pages i visited with the other n900 | 21:43 |
| AbstractW | is there a private key thats generated and not part of the backup, jukey_? | 21:44 |
| jukey_ | don't know | 21:45 |
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| jukey_ | I never did strange things... all I did was browsing --> backup on device 1--> restore on device 2 --> error | 21:47 |
| crashanddie | and yes, pretty big oversight on Nokia's part -- or maybe they had a good reason not to do it (time constraints?) | 21:47 |
| crashanddie | Shapeshifter: where did you get the info? | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - splits | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: ? | 21:47 |
| crashanddie | maybe we should all just quit and give the poor servers a break | 21:47 |
| lbt | SpeedEvil: nah. There's a ddos apparently | 21:47 |
| Arkenoi | there was a network-wide notification | 21:47 |
| Arkenoi | about ddos | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering what the oversight above mentioned was | 21:47 |
| w00t | it was a global message | 21:47 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: inability to dial *# | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, tis annoying | 21:47 |
| crashanddie | but not life threatening | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: not usually | 21:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | the GPS bug is more life-threatening | 21:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Won't somebody think of the children! | 21:47 |
| crashanddie | Newsflash: "Nokia sued by N900 user -- he was killed by his parents for going waaaayy over budget" | 21:47 |
| wao | lol | 21:47 |
| zash | Haha, what? | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | aha - that remids me to check topcashback | 21:47 |
| zash | You can't do *#stuff | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 21:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Woo - my 52.50 cashback is tracking. | 21:47 |
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| pupnik | i have to say i am not happy with tschibo prepaid sim | 21:50 |
| RST38h | qwerty: around? | 21:50 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: It just stays still, peeing occasionally? | 21:51 |
| rabbitear | HA! price went back down, got it for 554 usd (inc sh) :) | 21:53 |
| rabbitear | worst then ebay | 21:53 |
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| fredrin | :D | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | Android Market hits 20,000 apps, over 60 percent free | 21:57 |
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| * RST38h wonders how many are made by the same company | 21:57 | |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: 64% free according to the presentation I gave last week. | 21:57 |
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| mikhas | rabbitear, congrats! enjoy your bargain n900 =) | 21:58 |
| mikhas | pupnik, what is wrong with your prepaid sim? | 21:59 |
| flux | soo, has someone tried switching ~user and the MicroSD to ext3? | 21:59 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: What I wonder is how popular carpet bombing is in Android app store | 21:59 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: It is very popular on iPhone it seems, with a single Chinese company having 10000 apps | 22:00 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: i.e. lots of similar apps with a logo & name change? | 22:00 |
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| derf | flux: Worked fine on the N810. | 22:05 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: yea. plus trivial stuff like repackaged books off Gutenbergh | 22:06 |
| * lbt reboots his N900 so he can connect to his wifi.... this was never an issue in the summit image | 22:06 | |
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| Shapeshifter | crashanddie, SpeedEvil: well, #freenode is talking about it, and you can read this: http://announce.freenode.net/ | 22:09 |
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| Shapeshifter | it's been going on for hours. mostly from ISPs in asia. | 22:09 |
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| crashanddie | Shapeshifter: thanks | 22:10 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: I'll be in London starting Jan 5th, and will probably be available for a week | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: would be good if we could have a last drink | 22:11 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: We'll get together for a last beer :) | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: think you can pencil in an evening? | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | cool :) | 22:11 |
| * Jaffa can :) | 22:11 | |
| lbt | sounds interesting... | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: your timing sucks | 22:12 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm leaving on the 4th | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: I know you are | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: sorry buddy | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: I misparsed the two comments of crashanddie to be about something you said about a failing of nokia | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | you can see one has been around too many managers for too long and is starting to be affected by manageritis when he uses "pencil in" without it being sarcastic | 22:12 |
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| toggles_w | flux: i tried the sd, didn't work for me | 22:13 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | lbt: around? | 22:13 |
| lbt | might be - it kinda depends... I'll pencil it in ;) | 22:14 |
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| Milo- | will n900 notify me that my battery is low? | 22:14 |
| timeless_mbp | Milo-: yes | 22:15 |
| lbt | hmph, January isn't after february... | 22:15 |
| Milo- | okay cool | 22:15 |
| timeless_mbp | you get a couple of warnings | 22:15 |
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| lbt | err, decembe | 22:15 |
| lbt | r | 22:15 |
| Milo- | battery icon is red | 22:15 |
| timeless_mbp | you can also miss them if you try hard enough | 22:15 |
| Milo- | not a beep yet | 22:15 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't beep if you're on silent | 22:15 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: you won't be around London in early jan? | 22:15 |
| Milo- | not on silent at the moment | 22:15 |
| microlith | bizzare | 22:16 |
| microlith | phone went 9h30m without a single reboot, the moment I start using it in any fashion it reboots within 5 minutes | 22:17 |
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| jebba | how does one highlight and select text to copy in the browser? | 22:18 |
| jebba | it just zooms in & out.... | 22:18 |
| Milo- | 9.5 hours sounds awesome for a computer | 22:18 |
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| Milo- | but not that awesome for a phone. | 22:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | jebba: drag your finger from the left edge of the screen to the right | 22:19 |
| AbstractW | 9.5 hours between reboots is awesome for a computer? :P | 22:19 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll see a cursor, hit the cursor | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a 'better' terminal? | 22:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | For example - without the bar with 4 keys on it | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | and fullscreen adjustable text | 22:19 |
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| jebba | timeless_mbp: hahah. I had seen that arrow before and was like WTF is that. thx :) | 22:20 |
| timeless_mbp | what is "Full screen adjustable text"? | 22:20 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: there are supposed to be maemo5uiteam videos on youtube | 22:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | you really should watch them | 22:21 |
| woglinde | jo | 22:21 |
| jebba | heh. ok. ;) | 22:21 |
| woglinde | ~seen x-fade | 22:21 |
| cpscotti | Hello there, anyone there with time to test a graphic app that shows/records/playbacks accelerometer's data? accdisplay is now on extras-testing!? http://maemo.org/packages/view/n900fly/ Thanks! | 22:21 |
| woglinde | hm | 22:22 |
| red | jebba: theres also a default bookmark in maemo browser for the different browsing states and modes or whatever they were called | 22:22 |
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| red | teaches you the mousecursor thing and rotation zooming etc | 22:23 |
| jebba | red: heh. thx. So much still unexplored ;) | 22:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: yeah - that was poorly specified. A fullscreen x-term-alike, with variable text size - even -fn would do. | 22:24 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: have you used the hardware zoom buttons w/ xterm open? | 22:24 |
| shakkazombie | fiddling with init.d is a good way to brick an n800 right? How do I disable something in init.d safely? | 22:25 |
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| Macer | timeless_mbp: read what it was about and reminded me of quantum leap | 22:32 |
| Milo- | where is the battery file in /sys? | 22:32 |
| Macer | :) | 22:32 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 22:32 | |
| cpscotti | haha.. ok.. I thought the 26 meant something.. | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | i like quantum leap | 22:32 |
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| Macer | wouldn't traveling back in time totally screw the time line? | 22:32 |
| Milo- | which tells the current _current_? | 22:32 |
| cpscotti | I'll fix that | 22:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | Macer: he's *trying* | 22:32 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: i did too for a while but it was meh after a whie also | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | but note that quantum leap did muck w/ the timeline | 22:32 |
| Macer | trying to mess up the time line? :) | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | not very often, but at least in a couple of places | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | well, he's playing w/ the '89 quake | 22:33 |
| cpscotti | (and yes.. garage is very slow.. ) | 22:33 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: heh well... i suppose that is the paradox of time travel isn't it? ;) | 22:33 |
| Macer | how could it have ever happened if someone stopped it in the past? | 22:33 |
| Jaffa | cpscotti: It does, in Maemo <5 (where it /was/ 26x26). No-one bothered changing the name in fremantle. | 22:33 |
| Jaffa | Macer: Depends if you believe in a mutable single timeline or a many-world interpretation of time travel. | 22:34 |
| cpscotti | Jaffa: lol! thanks for the trivia | 22:34 |
| dirtyrice88 | Hrm, does the UI spec say selectors with only two options should toggle automatically on tap instead of bringing up a list? | 22:34 |
| dirtyrice88 | Oops, wrong device. | 22:34 |
| Jaffa | Macer: Or, even an immutable single timeline (mmm, pre-destination paradox) | 22:34 |
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| Jaffa | cpscotti: You can use XB-Maemo-Display-Name to display a different name to 'accdisplay' in HAM if you want. | 22:34 |
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| woglinde | hi general | 22:35 |
| * GAN900 should be over here | 22:35 | |
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| Jaffa | cpscotti: What's the "smoothing" algo? | 22:35 |
| cpscotti | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_smoothing | 22:35 |
| cpscotti | y(t) = alpha*x(t)+(1-alpha)*x(t-1) | 22:36 |
| Jaffa | cpscotti: Cool; thanks. I might use that in Attitude (although it's close to the algo I'm currently using, I think) | 22:36 |
| therock | jebba: so yeah from your test it looks like iptable_filter.ko | 22:36 |
| therock | is fine | 22:36 |
| therock | gonna play a bit with firewall on my device now and see what i get | 22:36 |
| suihkulokki | attitude is jaffa's app? | 22:36 |
| cpscotti | Jaffa: in fact you could get even better results with second order smoothing | 22:36 |
| cpscotti | but I just added the easier one to "show the point" | 22:36 |
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| cpscotti | Jaffa: "XB-Maemo-Display-Name" is the name that shows up in the app manager? | 22:37 |
| jebba | therock: iptable_filter.ko is in stock kernel. | 22:37 |
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| Jaffa | cpscotti: Correct | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | suihkulokki: Correct. | 22:37 |
| cpscotti | thanks.. I'll also add a more descriptive name there than | 22:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | cpscotti: than => then | 22:38 |
| Milo- | how long it takes for usb to charge the battery? | 22:38 |
| therock | oh snap! jebba | 22:38 |
| Jaffa | cpscotti: Some other minor nits: #2) Saving a recording has no file extension; #) Saving a recording has the default dir as / rather than $MYDOCS_DIR | 22:38 |
| cpscotti | haheahea.. yeah yeah! | 22:38 |
| therock | just need to get it compiled to arm then right? | 22:38 |
| therock | the iptables | 22:39 |
| cpscotti | ok... yeah.. thanks also! | 22:39 |
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| cpscotti | I didn't used any extensions bc I wanted to emphasize that it's just plain xml | 22:39 |
| cpscotti | *didn't use | 22:39 |
| cpscotti | I gotta.. go.. pub calls.. any other probs.. just say here that I'll check later | 22:40 |
| Jaffa | cpscotti: And, my own personal bugbear - could probably do with a slightly longer description, e.g. "View/record/playback accelerometer's raw data in a graphical manner. This is useful for understanding how the accelerometers work, measuring the g-forces in your car (or jet!) or for fun experiments around the home." | 22:40 |
| cpscotti | thanks a lot! | 22:40 |
| suihkulokki | if the n900 kickstand/camera module wouldn't stick out, it would be easy to mod attitude to be a spirit level.. | 22:40 |
| Jaffa | cpscotti: ".xml" then? | 22:40 |
| Jaffa | cpscotti: Have one on me - nice app | 22:40 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 22:40 | |
| cpscotti | Jaffa: ok! Also.. your description convinced me.. I'll change also.. | 22:40 |
| cpscotti | I wasn't feeling much creative when I wrote that | 22:41 |
| Jaffa | cpscotti: Needs newline after first sentence, btw | 22:41 |
| cpscotti | ok | 22:41 |
| Jaffa | Anyway, go to the pub and have a pint | 22:41 |
| Jaffa | Some nice real ale or summat | 22:41 |
| cpscotti | thanks! | 22:41 |
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| cpscotti | for the ones sharing the same habit, have a nice guinness! | 22:42 |
| cpscotti | c ya! | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | 'see and record accellerometer data and graphs, for understanding how G forces work. | 22:42 |
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| toggles_w | Milo-: quite some time | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Anyone here want to pretend to understand pulseaudio? | 22:44 |
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| Jaffa | Err, no ;-) | 22:44 |
| nomis | has anybody used the sample-based playback functions of the pulseaudio library? | 22:44 |
| nomis | (for a N900 application) | 22:44 |
| woglinde | ah pulse again *g* | 22:45 |
| nomis | eh. Uh. I did not even see the message from timeless_mbp... :) | 22:45 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: don't you just start jackd, run pulseaudio as a client then run a crontab that kills and restarts pulse every 15 min? | 22:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | nomis: i don't speak pulse | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm chasing a ghost | 22:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | nomis: so... | 22:51 |
| timeless_mbp | can i interest you in pretending to understand C/pulse? | 22:51 |
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| therock | jebba: cool stuff you have on your user profile got some reading todo now :D | 22:52 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: I glanced over the API docs some time earlier today for the first time. Is this enough? | 22:52 |
| therock | but as far as i can see the kernel is ready for iptables | 22:52 |
| timeless_mbp | nomis: it's more a question of reading c | 22:52 |
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| therock | so i just need to get iptables compiled with the toolchain for arm and thats it :) | 22:52 |
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| wazd_n800 | Extreme cold here, emergency water systems shutdown :D | 22:54 |
| kurtan | cool | 22:56 |
| kurtan | where at? | 22:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: can I forward to you the email from roman? | 22:56 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, yeah | 22:56 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, I'm trying to send you files right now | 22:57 |
| wazd_n800 | kurtan, Russia | 22:57 |
| RST38h | aha | 22:57 |
| kurtan | ah | 22:57 |
| wazd_n800 | whooping -32C outside) | 22:57 |
| aquatix | wow | 22:58 |
| toggles_w | wow.. | 22:58 |
| wazd_n800 | yeah, it's wow even for me :D | 22:58 |
| RST38h | is it -32 already? sweet | 22:58 |
| simula | wazd_n800, where do you live? | 22:59 |
| wazd_n800 | simula, Moscow country | 22:59 |
| * RST38h feels sorry for the car: no way it starts up tomorrow | 22:59 | |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, nothing sweet actually :D | 22:59 |
| simula | do they sell electric engine heaters there? | 23:00 |
| RST38h | simula: they do, but it is a fucking megapolis | 23:00 |
| wazd_n800 | simula, sure, why not) | 23:00 |
| RST38h | simula: there are 16 floors between me (and the wall socket) and the car | 23:00 |
| woglinde | rst uhahaha :( | 23:00 |
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| Elerion | hello | 23:01 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, I have 30m wire here :) | 23:01 |
| mikhas | simula, an e-heater when it is -32C? have fun paying the bills I guess ... | 23:01 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Yes, but you also do not have a car probably =) | 23:01 |
| RST38h | mikhas: it is not that bad really | 23:02 |
| mikhas | vodka is probably still the cheapest >=) | 23:02 |
| mikhas | ah ok | 23:02 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, yeah, was too afraid to loose it here :) | 23:02 |
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| wazd_n800 | mikhas, there are some cities in Russia that have -56 right now | 23:03 |
| wazd_n800 | now THAT is bloody cold) | 23:03 |
| mikhas | wow | 23:03 |
| woglinde | yeah -56 would be really shit | 23:03 |
| mikhas | how can anyone survive that ... for weeks/months? | 23:03 |
| woglinde | you need atomic underware | 23:03 |
| Elerion | i wanted to upgrade some packages on n900, and even after clean i get the message "no space in ...apt/archives". What can i do? | 23:04 |
| wazd_n800 | -32 just forces you to dry water pipes | 23:04 |
| mikhas | "survive" in a slightly more emotional context | 23:04 |
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| woglinde | Elerion purge some packages | 23:04 |
| mikhas | interesting | 23:04 |
| lcuk | :( wazd_n800 thats brassic | 23:04 |
| mikhas | so how do you take a shower ... or flush the toilet? | 23:04 |
| lcuk | remind me never to complain about how cold it was today in cambridge | 23:04 |
| Arkenoi | -27 here | 23:05 |
| wazd_n800 | mikhas, actually if humidity is low -56 is not that bad | 23:05 |
| Anidel | hi | 23:05 |
| jebba | Elerion: apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache etc... | 23:05 |
| Elerion | w: i did autocleen | 23:05 |
| woglinde | lcuk cambridge? | 23:05 |
| hexa | mikhas, you could leave the watter running.. won't freeze.. | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | yes woglinde, collabora christmas party | 23:05 |
| Elerion | ill try that | 23:05 |
| * lcuk got very drunk | 23:05 | |
| woglinde | lcuk aehm | 23:05 |
| woglinde | you live there? | 23:05 |
| wazd_n800 | mikhas, well, I'll find the way :D | 23:05 |
| lcuk | no | 23:05 |
| woglinde | ah | 23:05 |
| lcuk | hence an 8hr trip back today | 23:06 |
| woglinde | hihi | 23:06 |
| Robot101 | it was a quiet day today for collaborans across the UK... :P | 23:06 |
| lcuk | haha | 23:06 |
| lcuk | well rob, the day technically started quite loud.. | 23:06 |
| Robot101 | yes... my poor neighbours. :( | 23:06 |
| lcuk | :( have they forgiven you yet | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | oh god the dramaaaaaa http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/15/1925257/Busybox-Developer-Responds-To-Andersen-SFLC-Lawsuits?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: will you be in London around early Jan? | 23:07 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: what is the synopsis? | 23:07 |
| lcuk | i can be crashanddie you comin home? | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: yeah, will be in London for a week or so after the 5th | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: 3 developers fighting about who wrote what in busybox on slashdot | 23:08 |
| RST38h | ehehehehe | 23:08 |
| lcuk | ahh cool, i shall see whats happening and when and if it all matches up we shall have beers | 23:08 |
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| RST38h | wonders of open source indeed | 23:08 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I'd like to have a beer with Jaffa and anidel | 23:08 |
| * lcuk nods | 23:09 | |
| crashanddie | so if we can all do it together, optimisation! | 23:09 |
| lcuk | is simon coming too? | 23:09 |
| Anidel | crash.. sure.. when? | 23:09 |
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| crashanddie | Anidel: early january, within a week of the 5th | 23:09 |
| woglinde | crashanddie hm poor bruce | 23:09 |
| crashanddie | Anidel: probably friday or saturday evening if possible for you guys | 23:09 |
| Anidel | I'll be back on the 4th | 23:09 |
| Anidel | should be fine for me :) | 23:09 |
| crashanddie | well, probably not saturday -- jaffa and lardman won't be there | 23:10 |
| Anidel | true.. whatever is fine for them.. I'm here in London from the 5th onwards.. so.. | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, are you hotelling it or is your usual room still free for you | 23:11 |
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| Anidel | London's free for crash and die... no doubt there ;) | 23:12 |
| ifreq | is there a pdf reader which can flip the pages vertically? default seems not todo such magic | 23:12 |
| lcuk | heh, why do i have the vision of london like 28 days later | 23:12 |
| lcuk | as soon as people hear seb is returning they flee | 23:12 |
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| Anidel | Xournal does rotate | 23:15 |
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| ifreq | Anidel: okay thanks | 23:15 |
| ifreq | easier to read darwin :-) | 23:15 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: dunno, will see | 23:15 |
| ifreq | +25 other science pdf books *g* | 23:15 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: maybe my landlord kicked everything out, I have no idea | 23:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: haven't been home in over a month | 23:16 |
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| Anidel | :) | 23:16 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:16 |
| lcuk | are you going to oz after | 23:16 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 23:16 |
| lcuk | :D you still excited? | 23:16 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I has a company amex now :P | 23:16 |
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| ifreq | crashanddie: with that sentence i think you just earned 50+ more "friends" | 23:17 |
| crashanddie | heh | 23:18 |
| woglinde | lol | 23:18 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: you need a shipping address for my n900? | 23:18 |
| aquatix | ;) | 23:18 |
| crashanddie | I think the business you're buying it from requires htat | 23:18 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 23:19 |
| crashanddie | unless you really want to see if I can steal your identity and get a mortage in your name | 23:19 |
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| aquatix | that'd be a fuckup of the bank, as i already have one :) | 23:19 |
| aquatix | but good point | 23:19 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 23:19 |
| wazd_n801 | good ol' random reboot... | 23:20 |
| crashanddie | yo Khertan | 23:20 |
| wazd_n801 | Khertan, heya | 23:20 |
| Khertan | 'lu crashanddie | 23:20 |
| Khertan | heya wazd_n801 | 23:20 |
| Guest96848 | where is the place to source a script that has to be run after boot in fremantle? | 23:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: forwarded it | 23:21 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, yeah, got it | 23:21 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, still trying to send you png thru crappy edge( | 23:22 |
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| Micha_ | Khertan: Good evening | 23:24 |
| Micha_ | Khertan: You're the author of pypackager? | 23:24 |
| Khertan | Micha_: good evening to you too ... | 23:25 |
| Khertan | Micha_: yep | 23:25 |
| Micha_ | Khertan: Is there a version for Maemo 5? The latest I found was in the Maemo 4 repository. 0.7.something. | 23:25 |
| Khertan | Micha_: nope ... there is no version for Maemo 5 | 23:25 |
| Micha_ | Khertan: And while it installed and seems to generate deb packages correctly, it can't save its configuration | 23:25 |
| Micha_ | Khertan: Are you planning to update it at all? | 23:26 |
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| Khertan | because for maemo five to upload package you must push source package | 23:26 |
| Khertan | I ven't plan to update it | 23:26 |
| woglinde | Khertan thats good | 23:26 |
| Khertan | not directly | 23:26 |
| Khertan | in fact i'm planning to merge py2deb and pypackager | 23:27 |
| Micha_ | Shame.. seems a neat little util to test packaging of apps. | 23:27 |
| Micha_ | Will the merged util work fully on the device? I briefly played with py2deb, but it seems to only generate source files which then need uploading somewhere to generate the actual package. | 23:27 |
| henningms | No battery widget? :( | 23:28 |
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| Khertan | Micha_: exactly ... i ll merge the creation of source package and the binary package | 23:28 |
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| Micha_ | Khertan: Nifty, looking forward to it :) | 23:29 |
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| * Micha_ has made a small app to display London Tube status. | 23:30 | |
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| Micha_ | Well, it's not finished, but it's already useable. | 23:30 |
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| returnthis | is this the best place for n900 questions | 23:33 |
| lcuk | returnthis, yes | 23:33 |
| mece | returnthis, sometimes | 23:33 |
| lcuk | but you may only ask 3 questions, that was #1 | 23:33 |
| mece | LOL | 23:33 |
| * Myrtti pours lcuk some mulled wine | 23:34 | |
| henningms | haha | 23:34 |
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| returnthis | ok. my bt headset keeps dying. I notice that bug#5880 mentions that wifi and bt don't play well together | 23:34 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5880 A2DP unstable when WiFi is on. | 23:34 |
| * lcuk gladly takes a glass and is fondly reminded of christmas parties | 23:34 | |
| woglinde | lcuk *g* | 23:34 |
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| returnthis | also, skype w/o headset was painful. several points where I couldn't hear the other party | 23:35 |
| Elerion | changing cache place for apt-get woked, but now dpkg returns same error. no space left on a device. | 23:35 |
| returnthis | and that has happend 4 times with regular phone too | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | returnthis, i dont use the bt headset, but when you say dying - please explain. and by regular phone,do you mean the headset dies when you use it on a regular phone | 23:35 |
| woglinde | elrion was df -m saying? | 23:36 |
| woglinde | whats | 23:36 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 23:36 |
| returnthis | the bt headset status is disconnected, but the bt UI options is to disconnect. and the UI freezes for 30min + while it tries to disconnect a bt headset that is no longer connected. I have to power off/on | 23:36 |
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| returnthis | lcuk: no audio | 23:37 |
| lcuk | returnthis, ok, so you are confirming the bug report filed? | 23:37 |
| returnthis | sometimes happens on normal phone calls without bt headset | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | or do you think its a new bug | 23:37 |
| mikhas | I thought the regular headset is non-bt? | 23:37 |
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| woglinde | mikhas jupp its cable | 23:37 |
| returnthis | lcuk: that ad2p is for stereo right? | 23:38 |
| returnthis | I am on a mono headset. BUT I can't reconnect my bt w/o power reset | 23:38 |
| lcuk | returnthis, i dunno i have bt disabled cos i dont ever see a point in it | 23:38 |
| lcuk | ok, could you try to see if the same occurs when you dont use wifi - to see if its related to the prescribed bug? | 23:39 |
| returnthis | endless conf calls and you just want to make coffee <-- good use for it | 23:39 |
| returnthis | is there someway to reset the bt hs status without power reset? | 23:40 |
| returnthis | right now half the phone thinks it is disconnected the other half thinks it is connected | 23:40 |
| returnthis | e.g. status panel == disconnected. bt settings == connected | 23:41 |
| lcuk | RST38h, are you around since you filed that bt bug | 23:41 |
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| Milo- | can you make calls from the command line? or send SMS? | 23:55 |
| ifreq | prob yes | 23:56 |
| timeless_mbp | the system is managed by telepathy/dbus | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | sms is possible from code, so it should be feasible to script | 23:56 |
| timeless_mbp | whether it's easy to do from a commandline, i'd doubt it | 23:56 |
| ifreq | with dbus i guess | 23:56 |
| ifreq | ah you said it allrdy timeless_mbp srry.. :) | 23:56 |
| timeless_mbp | ifreq: no problem | 23:57 |
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| Ceron | ovi store | 23:58 |
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| Ceron | out yet? | 23:58 |
| ifreq | not afaik | 23:58 |
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