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| wazd_n800 | richard_12345, n900 comes with weather applet | 00:03 |
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| wazd_n800 | richard_12345, which explains that omweather is so popular :) | 00:04 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_n800, humm, which email did you used, didn't received anything so far o_O | 00:04 |
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| wazd_n800 | vdv100@gmail.com | 00:05 |
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| GAN900 | wazd, nah, it comes with a link to install a weather applet. | 00:05 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_n800, ok, should be stuck somewhere, lol | 00:06 |
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| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, ohsht | 00:06 |
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| Milo- | what is the .bashrc equivalent for ash? | 00:06 |
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| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, gmai :D | 00:06 |
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| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, there you go | 00:07 |
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| woglinde | re | 00:08 |
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| maxxle | Hello! How do u call the position of the phone if the powerbutton is on the right and the USB port shows up to the sky? upright? | 00:08 |
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| mtnbkr | maxxle: portrait? | 00:08 |
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| maxxle | mtnbkr: so it's portrait and landscape? | 00:09 |
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| mtnbkr | maxxle: that'd be my guess | 00:09 |
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| mtnbkr | :) | 00:09 |
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| maxxle | ok - so i must reword my bugreport :) | 00:09 |
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| maxxle | thx | 00:10 |
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| mtnbkr | Anyone else with N900 experiencing that the on-screen K/B does not reliably appear when you touch in a text area of an app like chat? | 00:10 |
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| Jiri- | Hello | 00:12 |
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| GAN900 | mtnbkr, sometimes. | 00:12 |
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| eitreach | mtnbkr, be sure to double-tab. | 00:12 |
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| GAN900 | It seems to get stuck every once and a while. | 00:12 |
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| eitreach | tap, even. | 00:12 |
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| Jiri- | the maemo db is brokne so i need i little help to instal deb files | 00:12 |
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| pupnik | woglinde: well nx setup per default seems to be happy, but server is dying when trying to start a session. did you pick kde, cde? | 00:12 |
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| pupnik | user stuff is fine ssh -i client.id_dsa.key nx@localhost | 00:13 |
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| pupnik | NX> 105 stdout> NX> 1009 Session status: starting | 00:13 |
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| Jiri- | i tried to install the vncviewer with dpkg -i but i doesnot work anyone can help me? i also try to get superpriviliga access by typing sudo gainroot | 00:14 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: Did you try installing with apt-get? | 00:15 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: That is the easiest way to install stuff | 00:15 |
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| mtnbkr | eitreach: yeah, when it does not work, I usualy just give up (after double-tapping, tripple-tapping, pressing and holdoing then dowuble- and triple tapping again) then slide the real k/b | 00:15 |
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| Jiri- | jeremiah no i didnot | 00:15 |
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| jeremiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 00:15 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: Well, there are basically three ways to install software: the command line, application manager, and downloading | 00:16 |
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| jeremiah | The command line is when you open a terminal and use 'apt-get' | 00:16 |
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| Jiri- | ok | 00:16 |
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| AakashPatel | what teh fuck | 00:16 |
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| jeremiah | The application manager is the graphical tool you can use | 00:16 |
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| AakashPatel | no nokia messenger for n900 D: | 00:16 |
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| AakashPatel | the one with social network chat | 00:16 |
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| * AbstractW needs a place that'll sell an N900 for not ass-gouge prices :P | 00:17 |
| maxxle | Hey.... What do u think for a n900 as improvement: Unlocked phone; Portrait-mode; Press hw-power-button. => Menu should be rotated 90° left | 00:17 |
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| jeremiah | maxxle: Maybe put it on brainstorm? | 00:17 |
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| Jiri- | jeremiah and i can install the gui aplication manager with maemo extras? | 00:18 |
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| maxxle | jeremiah: Do u have an URL for me where to put it? | 00:18 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: It is already installed for you | 00:18 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: Which device are you using? | 00:18 |
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| Jiri- | n900 | 00:18 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: Okay, then you go to the application that has the wrench | 00:18 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: Sorry, that is the settings app! | 00:19 |
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| Jiri- | so what i should do? | 00:19 |
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| jeremiah | You should click on that little clipboard app, that will open up the app manager | 00:19 |
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| Jiri- | ok | 00:20 |
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| jeremiah | So start by clicking the boxes in the upper left of the screen | 00:20 |
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| Jiri- | yeah | 00:20 |
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| jeremiah | That should bring you to a screen with lots of apps | 00:20 |
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| Jiri- | yes | 00:20 |
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| jeremiah | Click on the one in the bottom right hand corner | 00:20 |
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| jeremiah | (more) | 00:20 |
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| Jiri- | ok | 00:20 |
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| jeremiah | Then on the left side you should see an app called the App. Manager | 00:21 |
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| jeremiah | Click on that | 00:21 |
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| Jiri- | yeah | 00:21 |
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| jeremiah | That is the Application Manager which you can use to install software | 00:21 |
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| Jiri- | deb files as well? | 00:21 |
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| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, got it? | 00:21 |
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| * lardman|home grumbles that he was hoping to be in bed by 10 | 00:21 |
| jeremiah | Jiri-: All the applications there are packaged as debs | 00:22 |
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| jeremiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 00:22 |
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| Milo- | being connected at all times shortens the batterylife, is there option somewhere which will autokill the connection when there is no need? | 00:22 |
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| jeremiah | ^ That is a linkn that will help you. | 00:22 |
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| Jiri- | yeah but the vncviewer is not in the list | 00:23 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_n800, yes, thanks | 00:23 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: Did you read that wiki page? | 00:23 |
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| jeremiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 00:23 |
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| Jiri- | no i didn't | 00:23 |
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| Jiri- | i try if i don't get i ask again | 00:24 |
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| jeremiah | That will tell you how to enable the extras repos where lots of good software lives | 00:24 |
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| jeremiah | Yup | 00:24 |
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| Jiri- | yes now i got it | 00:24 |
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| Jiri- | thanks a million | 00:25 |
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| jeremiah | Excellent | 00:25 |
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| Jiri- | these apps should be safe to use? | 00:25 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_n800, one of those awesome 'measures' files is appreciated :P | 00:25 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: Yeah - those apps are usually pretty good. | 00:25 |
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| Jiri- | ok | 00:26 |
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| jeremiah | Of course, they are written by the community, so they are not like commercial apps. | 00:26 |
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| jeremiah | Often they are better. | 00:26 |
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| jeremiah | But there are no guarantees | 00:26 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_n800, only for the buttons, the dpad I already have here | 00:26 |
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| Jiri- | i understand | 00:26 |
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| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, sure | 00:28 |
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| nomis | mhm, does anybody know what kind of sensor is below the front-camera in the N900? I believe the light sensor is above the camera. | 00:28 |
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| jeremiah | nomis: That is a good question - I was wondering that too. | 00:29 |
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| GAN900 | nomis, proximity | 00:29 |
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| jeremiah | GAN the MAN | 00:29 |
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| Jiri- | now I Am Using My N900 To Irc Here How Cool Is That? Thanks Again Jeremiah | 00:29 |
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| jeremiah | Jiri-: My pleasure! :) | 00:29 |
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| Scummer | a 500$ irc client :) | 00:30 |
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| GAN900 | There are 5 things on that side: ambient light, camera, proximity, speaker, LED. | 00:30 |
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| nomis | GAN900: ah, the thing that is supposed to prevent hanging up with your cheek? | 00:30 |
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| Scummer | nomis: yep | 00:31 |
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| simula_away | scummer... more like a $500 general purpose computer that eats 1.5 watts max and fits in your pocket :) | 00:31 |
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| jeremiah | Is that what it is? | 00:31 |
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| jeremiah | Hmm. | 00:31 |
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| ifreq | simula_away: indeed | 00:31 |
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| jeremiah | Doesn't work so well. | 00:31 |
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| Scummer | simula: oh.. and a SNES player for the bathroom :) | 00:31 |
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| simula_ | true :) | 00:31 |
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| ifreq | flash support for the porn clips... | 00:32 |
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| ifreq | whoops i didnt say that | 00:32 |
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| * nomis was wondering about that and suspected some clever acceleration-sensor-usage :) | 00:32 |
| ifreq | :-P | 00:32 |
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| Scummer | :) | 00:32 |
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| jeremiah | Don't even mention snes! | 00:32 |
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| simula_ | is there an nes emulator in the repos? | 00:32 |
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| ifreq | nope | 00:32 |
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| jeremiah | NO! | 00:32 |
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| simula_ | darn! | 00:32 |
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| ifreq | but you can find dev separately | 00:32 |
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| ifreq | deb* | 00:32 |
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| jeremiah | :) | 00:32 |
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| Scummer | simula: but you can find the deb | 00:32 |
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| simula_ | hmmm ok | 00:33 |
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| jeremiah | simula_: There is some question as to whether emulators are 'legal' | 00:33 |
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| simula_ | i own the cartridge | 00:33 |
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| simula_ | legend of zelda FTW! | 00:33 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | hi guys | 00:33 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | any known gps navigation software | 00:33 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | for N900 yet? | 00:33 |
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| Scummer | i'm sure the emulators are legal.. it's the images of the games that appearently are not.. | 00:33 |
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| * dockane has hands on since 2 hours and was wondering why the screen was built that badly that it always moved on touch until vibration on touch was disabled | 00:33 |
| wazd_n800 | emulators are 100% legal. period. | 00:33 |
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| woglinde | Scummer jo mostly | 00:33 |
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| ifreq | Sir_Lancelot: it has the builtin allready? | 00:33 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | yes | 00:34 |
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| jeremiah | Well, maybe they are and maybe they aren't - but no one here will be sued. | 00:34 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | the hardware is there | 00:34 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | just need osftware | 00:34 |
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| woglinde | Sir_Lancelot try navit | 00:34 |
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| wazd_n800 | they. are. legal. without maybe) | 00:34 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | hum? | 00:34 |
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| ifreq | it has the maps pre installed, but tho you may need more like car navi i guess? | 00:34 |
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| jeremiah | wazd_n800: Tell that to Nintendo when they sue Nokia. | 00:34 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | I'm askingn things like tomtom, navigon, igo, etc | 00:35 |
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| ifreq | yeh so more like car navi then | 00:35 |
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| Milo- | anyone ever played supertux on n900? | 00:35 |
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| wazd_n800 | jeremiah, they are not sueing nokia for emulators obviously | 00:35 |
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| jeremiah | wazd_n800: They certainly made some suing-like noises. | 00:35 |
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| wazd_n800 | why sueing nokia for third-party software? | 00:35 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: You won't find stuff like that on the N900 | 00:35 |
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| Scummer | it's prbably all FUD | 00:35 |
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| mece | Does anyone know if the thing that prevents fm transmitter from starting while headphones plugged a hardware or software thing? | 00:36 |
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| jeremiah | TomTom is a competitor to Naviteq which Nokia purchased. | 00:36 |
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| jeremiah | mece: I think it is hardware since teh headphones are the antenae | 00:36 |
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| wazd_n800 | they sueing nokia cause they were stupid enough to advertise n900 with illegal rom | 00:36 |
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| Scummer | on the other hand.. you can sue anyone for anything.. if it holds up in court is a matter of money for a good lawyer | 00:36 |
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| jeremiah | Exactly | 00:36 |
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| jeremiah | You cannot even have an appearance of violating copyright | 00:37 |
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| wazd_n800 | rom, not emulator | 00:37 |
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| wazd_n800 | rom is an illegal copy of copyrighted material :) | 00:37 |
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| crashanddie | no | 00:38 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | someone has to realease navigation software for this device... | 00:38 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | :( | 00:38 |
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| Scummer | even if you own the ROM and rightfully paid for it | 00:38 |
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| wazd_n800 | yes | 00:38 |
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| mece | jeremiah, yeah, but I'd really like an antenna for the transmitter... Mobile pirate radio ftw! | 00:38 |
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| Jaffa | wazd_n800: There are homebrew roms. | 00:38 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: There already is an excellent app on the device by default | 00:38 |
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| Jaffa | *cough* | 00:38 |
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| Scummer | that's what pisses me off about the copyight shit | 00:38 |
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| crashanddie | guys, take it outside | 00:39 |
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| simula_ | heh | 00:39 |
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| crashanddie | we've heard the discussion way too many times | 00:39 |
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| wazd_n800 | Jaffa: well, I mean more popular case) | 00:39 |
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| Jaffa | Scummer: People getting the option of being recognised for their work and charging people for it? | 00:39 |
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| jeremiah | mece: heh | 00:39 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | which oine jeremiah? | 00:39 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | *one | 00:39 |
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| crashanddie | Scummer, mece, wazd_n800: #copyright-trolls, thanks | 00:39 |
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| Scummer | jaffa: no.. that if you purchase the work, it should be yours at that point | 00:39 |
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| Scummer | ok.. i'll shut up now | 00:39 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: Did you click on the 'Maps' application? | 00:40 |
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| wazd_n800 | so I really don't understand why all emulators are still MIA | 00:40 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | no | 00:40 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | which Maps aplication? | 00:40 |
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| Jaffa | wazd_n800: Ask one of the people involved in it; ask the council | 00:40 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | :S | 00:40 |
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| VDVsx | crashanddie, lets talk about SW patents instead :D | 00:40 |
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| wiretapped | anybody try connecting telepathy-idle to bitlbee? | 00:40 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: Try that | 00:40 |
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| * wiretapped is going to try this later today | 00:40 |
| * VDVsx hides | 00:40 |
| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: I think you will find it pretty good | 00:40 |
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| Scummer | VDV: haha | 00:40 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: Yay! I've got 2. Or is it 3? I forget. | 00:40 |
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| wazd_n800 | Scummer, you've purchased right to play game | 00:40 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: It is a lot like a TomTom app or a dedicated GPS device | 00:40 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | but, is it one of those with preinstalled maps, or is it like google mapos which is always downloading the map | 00:40 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | ? | 00:40 |
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| Scummer | wazd: and what if my cartridge dies? i get a new one ? | 00:41 |
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| jeremiah | VDVsx: heh | 00:41 |
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| wazd_n800 | Scummer, not copying it, burning or ripping | 00:41 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: A combination really. | 00:41 |
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| wazd_n800 | Scummer, yeah | 00:41 |
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| Scummer | gawd.. i said i'm not saying anything any more | 00:41 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: But you'll find a lot of stuff predownloaded. | 00:41 |
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| Jaffa | Sir_Lancelot: You can pre-download, but it will download as you go (vector-based) | 00:41 |
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| Scummer | wazd: in your dreams.. you're f'd.. you gotta buy a new one | 00:41 |
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| wazd_n800 | Scummer, just like if your TV dies) | 00:41 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: This is a pretty complete application | 00:41 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: With lots of detailed maps and funtionality | 00:41 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | I don't have web on the phone right now | 00:41 |
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| crashanddie | Scummer & wazd_n800: stfu | 00:41 |
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| * Jaffa checks Google Patents. Ah, he's got 2 patent s. | 00:42 |
| Sir_Lancelot | 3G is bloakced... | 00:42 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | blocked | 00:42 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: Which device are we talking about? | 00:42 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | n900 | 00:42 |
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| wazd_n800 | crashanddie, silence | 00:42 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: It is really a mobile computer | 00:42 |
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| jeremiah | And it comes with a web browser | 00:42 |
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| jeremiah | And it comes with the Maps application | 00:42 |
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| jeremiah | So you don't have to use a web browser | 00:42 |
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| jeremiah | to use the Maps app | 00:42 |
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| * VDVsx recommends to all N900 users: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/n900fly/0.1.0/ | 00:42 |
| VDVsx | :D | 00:42 |
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| jeremiah | VDVsx: What is it? | 00:43 |
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| VDVsx | jeremiah, very good app | 00:43 |
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| VDVsx | jeremiah, 1 sec | 00:43 |
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| * crashanddie points out to VDVsx that he already explained everything there was to know about software patents | 00:43 |
| Scummer | makes the n900 fly when you throw it out the window ? | 00:43 |
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| crashanddie | no need for that | 00:43 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | maps aplication is kinda google maps | 00:43 |
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| jeremiah | crashanddie: Take it inside | 00:43 |
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| crashanddie | it's already pretty aerodynamic | 00:43 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | :( | 00:43 |
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| Scummer | :) | 00:43 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: Are you on crack? | 00:43 |
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| crashanddie | especially if you leave the keyboard open | 00:43 |
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| jeremiah | It is nothing like Google Maps | 00:44 |
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| VDVsx | jeremiah, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36312 | 00:44 |
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| jeremiah | wow | 00:44 |
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| jeremiah | kinda cool | 00:44 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | it is, in the manner that it downloads the map along the path... | 00:44 |
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| jeremiah | Sir_Lancelot: No - it doesn't do that | 00:44 |
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| wazd_n800 | crashanddie, no need to shut people up in that manner | 00:44 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | no? | 00:45 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | I thought it did | 00:45 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | than, what is missing to have a turn-by-turn navigation | 00:45 |
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| jeremiah | It is just like a dedicated GPS device | 00:45 |
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| crashanddie | wazd_n800: yes, there is a need to do that, because we've seen the same conversation happen 20 million times, and the outcome is always the same | 00:45 |
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| Scummer | haha.. hangtime.. lol | 00:45 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | nokia maps, used to ask for a fee | 00:45 |
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| * AakashPatel wants facebook chat | 00:46 |
| crashanddie | wazd_n800: some people who have no knowledge and are only focused on how much they can squeeze out of other people say that copyright is bad and use the age old "I'm copying because I'm afraid my CD will break" defence when really they should learn not be such tightasses and handle their CDs a bit better | 00:46 |
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| GAN900 | dockane, I find it bizarre that so many people think that's broken. | 00:46 |
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| wazd_n800 | crashanddie, no there isn't. If you're too nervous - you can release brain pressure thru a small crack in a skull made by hammer | 00:46 |
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| jebba | 1.2m | 00:46 |
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| GAN900 | Both of you STFU. | 00:46 |
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| wazd_n800 | crashanddie, I heard that helps | 00:47 |
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| wazd_n800 | what the fuck? I wasn't even talking to you | 00:48 |
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| ifreq | should mediaplayer handle mmc indexing when its full of media like mp3s? | 00:48 |
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| GAN900 | wazd, be less pissy. | 00:49 |
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| * w00t turns down the channel temperature from 'flame' to 'warm' | 00:49 |
| wazd_n800 | GAN900, hihihi | 00:49 |
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| crashanddie | Snorting vodka is bad for your health kids -- don't do drugs | 00:50 |
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| AakashPatel | someone gimme facebook chat D: | 00:50 |
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| mece | lol | 00:50 |
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| wazd_n800 | GAN900, It's so ironic that you tell me that | 00:50 |
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| zash | facepalm book | 00:50 |
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| Scummer | snorting wasabi is even worse | 00:50 |
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| zash | "hockeypulver" ftw | 00:50 |
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| crashanddie | brainmelt, lol | 00:50 |
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| crashanddie | "Brain fondue with a side order of snot please | 00:51 |
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| AakashPatel | Hm can you use that pidgin plugin? | 00:51 |
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| AakashPatel | if you cross compile it? | 00:51 |
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| zash | XMPP-server with spectrum? | 00:51 |
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| dockane | GAN900: i have to admit, that the n900 for me is a step as big as from horse powerde wagon to warp engine | 00:52 |
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| simula_away | from what dockane? an 810? | 00:52 |
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| dockane | loved the n800.. so n900 was a must-have | 00:52 |
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| dockane | last phone was a nokia 1100 | 00:53 |
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| mece | wait waht does this fly app do? It measures how long you throw the phone or..? | 00:54 |
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| AakashPatel | What the link to browse extras-devel? | 00:54 |
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| AakashPatel | or extras-testing | 00:54 |
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| mikhas | you will wish your horse powered wagon back after your first core breach | 00:54 |
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| dockane | mikhas: breaking things is nothing new to me. i am used to it :) | 00:55 |
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| mikhas | cool | 00:55 |
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| * lardman|home looks back 15 hours and remembers saying that he would go to bed in 14 hours and not have anything to drink | 00:56 |
| lardman|home | ~curse deadlines | 00:56 |
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| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, deadlines ! | 00:56 |
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| dockane | lardman|home: sounds familiar to me | 00:56 |
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| woglinde | lardman hehe | 00:56 |
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| woglinde | I have time till thursday | 00:56 |
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| lardman|home | my own fault, thought I needed to prepare an abstract, turns out it's supposed to be a 2 page "abstract" containing the results and conclusions :( | 00:57 |
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| mece | AakashPatel, this: http://maemo.org/packages/ or this: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/ ? | 00:57 |
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| AakashPatel | ah yeah the firs tone | 00:58 |
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| derf | lardman|home: I hate those. | 00:58 |
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| derf | Both reading and writing them. | 00:58 |
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| lardman|home | pretty optimistic 6 months before the conf imho | 00:58 |
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| lardman|home | but there you go | 00:58 |
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| AakashPatel | http://maemo.org/packages/view/pidgin-facebookchat/ | 00:58 |
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| AakashPatel | zomg | 00:58 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, fail. | 01:01 |
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| lardman|home | yeah | 01:02 |
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| Milo- | has anyone ever played supertux on an actual n900? | 01:04 |
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| ifreq | nope, my mom forbids it | 01:04 |
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| ifreq | :( | 01:04 |
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| dockane | hihi | 01:04 |
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| Milo- | I can't navigate in the world-map :( | 01:04 |
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| AakashPatel | hmm lets see if this pidgin-facebookchat shiz craps it pants | 01:05 |
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| AakashPatel | oh hm | 01:06 |
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| AakashPatel | would be graet to konw where it shows up | 01:06 |
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| AakashPatel | oh heh | 01:06 |
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| AakashPatel | pidgin | 01:06 |
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| lardman|home | shame the facebook plugin doesn't do the same as the Android one and show a list of updates | 01:07 |
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| AakashPatel | did you try it? | 01:07 |
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| lardman|home | yeah both | 01:08 |
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| AakashPatel | son of a bitch | 01:08 |
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| AakashPatel | "Could not retrieve buddy list" | 01:08 |
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| AakashPatel | Chat service is curretnly unavail | 01:09 |
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| AakashPatel | yeah its broked | 01:09 |
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| felipec | anybody here uses Pidgin or telepathy-haze? | 01:10 |
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| AakashPatel | I konw its trying to connect, cuz facebook website logged me out | 01:10 |
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| AakashPatel | felipe`: i just installed pidgin :/ | 01:10 |
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| AakashPatel | but lucky me, pidgin-facebookchat isnt working | 01:10 |
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| GAN900 | felipec, haze. | 01:11 |
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| felipec | AakashPatel: on N900? | 01:11 |
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| AakashPatel | Yeah | 01:11 |
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| AakashPatel | lardman|home: do you still have it on your phone? | 01:12 |
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| felipec | Where is it? I can't find it on the maemo.org site | 01:12 |
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| AakashPatel | felipec: you have to enabled extras-devel | 01:12 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | I have both N900 and HTC HD2 (the new one, with 1GHz cpu and 4.3" capacitive screen) and I have to seel one of them... | 01:12 |
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| felipec | also, any idea how is it maintained? | 01:12 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | just can't decide which... | 01:12 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | :S | 01:12 |
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| AakashPatel | Sir_Lancelot: N900 :P | 01:12 |
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| AakashPatel | duh | 01:12 |
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| AakashPatel | erm wait | 01:12 |
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| AakashPatel | Dont sell that one | 01:12 |
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| AakashPatel | lol | 01:12 |
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| AakashPatel | read it wrong | 01:12 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | why? please convince me | 01:13 |
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| ifreq | no need | 01:13 |
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| ifreq | you decide it yourself | 01:13 |
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| ifreq | your toyz, your decision or you come here later whining about bad choises made :P | 01:13 |
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| Milo- | hmm seriously, why does the n900 automatically connect to internet? | 01:13 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | I'm not sure about the future of maemo | 01:13 |
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| AakashPatel | huh | 01:13 |
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| Milo- | even if there is no need for connecting? | 01:14 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | that's what's bringing my suspicious | 01:14 |
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| AakashPatel | looks like a lot has changed since 1.60 and 1.64 | 01:14 |
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| felipec | GAN900: where did you get it? | 01:14 |
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| ifreq | Milo-: no widgets on? | 01:14 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | (and btw: I'm not the whining kind of guy ) | 01:14 |
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| Milo- | ifreq the default ones | 01:14 |
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| Milo- | they shouldn't automatically connect | 01:14 |
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| ifreq | Milo-: yeh but like facebook... something under accounts etc | 01:15 |
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| ifreq | Milo-: so your network connection is set to "ask first" right? | 01:15 |
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| Milo- | ifreq don't use facebook or any IM stuff | 01:16 |
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| AakashPatel | Okay | 01:17 |
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| ifreq | and how abt my last question milo? | 01:17 |
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| AakashPatel | 1.60 of facbook pidgin plugin is broked :) | 01:17 |
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| Milo- | trying to find that specific setting | 01:17 |
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| AakashPatel | fyi | 01:17 |
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| ifreq | Milo-: settings -> internet connections | 01:17 |
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| Milo- | I'm blind.. | 01:17 |
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| Milo- | Already set it to 'ask always' once. | 01:18 |
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| Milo- | Wonder why it changed back to "any available" | 01:18 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: btw, wardriving with the mbp is bliss :P | 01:19 |
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| lardman|home | ~curse negative signals | 01:19 |
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| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, negative signals ! | 01:19 |
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| crashanddie | ~curse ~curse | 01:19 |
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| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ~curse ! | 01:19 |
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| crashanddie | What year is infobot from? 1862? | 01:20 |
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| AakashPatel | lolol | 01:20 |
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| crashanddie | Who starts a curse with "May" ? | 01:20 |
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| * timeless_mbp ponders | 01:20 |
| lardman|home | He's being polite | 01:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: that's earlier | 01:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's an ancient middle eastern curse | 01:20 |
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| Lynoure | hrw|gone: Did try a QMenuBar with toplevel QActions, but still get them as a menu that is not like what the top menu tends to be... Any idea what I might be doing wrong still? | 01:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | circa arabian nights | 01:20 |
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| lardman|home | It's a request to the tentacled one, rather than a command | 01:21 |
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| fnordianslip | at least he doesn't finish the curse with "already" | 01:21 |
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| AakashPatel | apt-get autoremove --PURGE pidgin-facebookchat | 01:21 |
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| AakashPatel | o.O | 01:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | fwiw, the nokia flagship store now spells the name of our product correctly | 01:21 |
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| AakashPatel | wrong window | 01:21 |
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| lardman|home | fnordianslip: :) | 01:21 |
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| mikhas | I use QMenuBar + QActions, and it shows up nearly like a pure hildon/gtk menu, but then again I use 4.6 =/ | 01:23 |
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| Lynoure | mikhas: 4.5 here still. | 01:24 |
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| mikhas | ok, then I probably cant help, sorry | 01:24 |
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| Lynoure | mikhas: thanks anyway, I'll worry about it a bit later, then. Want to give my other question a shot, too? | 01:25 |
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| Lynoure | I'm not getting a beep out of QApplication::beep() , not on Linux desktop, nor in scratchbox. Ideas? | 01:26 |
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| mikhas | hm, no idea. have never used that. I'd check my mixer settings though, just in canse | 01:27 |
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| mikhas | case* | 01:27 |
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| ifreq | hrr | 01:27 |
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| AakashPatel | Okay this is making me laugh | 01:27 |
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| Lynoure | everything else plays, though | 01:27 |
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| AakashPatel | why the hell does this thing have a mac os folder? | 01:27 |
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| Lynoure | But, will dig for a beep setting somewhere...) | 01:28 |
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| mikhas | oh wait, it could be a desktop setting right? I remember a switch in my gnome control panel somewhere | 01:28 |
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| red | maybe its using pc speaker? u got the cord connected? :p | 01:28 |
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| red | AakashPatel: for compatability and file system differences? | 01:28 |
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| red | dno | 01:28 |
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| ifreq | AakashPatel: think its for usb mass storage mount so on osx it mounts correctly | 01:29 |
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| mikhas | system > settings > audio > sounds > "play alert sounds" <= that's on jaunty w/ gnome | 01:29 |
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| GAN900 | Sir_Lancelot, Maemo Devices has been hiring like crazy in a recession. Being "unsure" of Maemo's future is silly. | 01:29 |
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| ifreq | AakashPatel: atleast i needed tho first i thouhgt my osx made it automatically :) | 01:29 |
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| red | i have the folder aswell | 01:30 |
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| GAN900 | AakashPatel, for when you plug it into a Mac. | 01:30 |
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| * AakashPatel is doing that right now >.< | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | internationalisation: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/epic-fail-translation-fail.jpg | 01:31 |
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| AakashPatel | hah SpeedEvil i saw taht yesterday | 01:32 |
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| Lynoure | mikhas: yup, thought I found it for karmic as well, but no help | 01:32 |
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| red | three streamed episodes of myhthbusters and battery down to 20% hehe | 01:40 |
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| jon1012 | hi | 01:41 |
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| red | sup with your hostmask | 01:41 |
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| jon1012 | I'm making a maemo version of my network of websites (city envies : paris envies, lyon envies, noitesdelisboa...) and I'm trying to do it with pymaemo | 01:41 |
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| jon1012 | is pygtk + hildon a good way to go ? | 01:42 |
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| jon1012 | I have little experience with deb packaing... is there a way to convert setuptools requirement to debian ones and generate a .deb simply ? | 01:43 |
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| red | and sup with alot ppl on freenode having realname set as 'purple' | 01:43 |
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| red | these are the things i wonder 2am | 01:44 |
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| red | best to head to sleep | 01:44 |
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| jon1012 | hehe | 01:44 |
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| jon1012 | (my hostmask is a bit old :)) | 01:44 |
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| jon1012 | (I'm not in the foresight team anymore) | 01:44 |
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| lardman|home | Foresight dev? | 01:45 |
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| lardman|home | ah | 01:45 |
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| jon1012 | I'm going to call my app maemoparty (since the websites have a lot of names :)) | 01:46 |
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| jon1012 | (depending on the country) | 01:46 |
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| jon1012 | I've done the python connector that fetch all the place, neighborhoods, ambiances, services and whatnot, and what is left for me to do is the UI... | 01:47 |
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| pupnik | neat :) | 01:47 |
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| jon1012 | is pygtk a recommended way of doing apps for maemo right now ? | 01:47 |
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| GAN900 | MaemoParty would violate trademark. | 01:47 |
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| jon1012 | (packaging wise) | 01:47 |
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| jon1012 | GAN900: oh really ? | 01:47 |
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| GAN900 | Party for Maemo is the valid formula. | 01:48 |
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| jon1012 | GAN900: then I'll call it something else :) | 01:48 |
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| pupnik | good to know GAN900 | 01:48 |
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| melmoth | jon1012: yep, just make a Makefile that call python setup.py :) | 01:49 |
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| jon1012 | melmoth: are there examples for that somewhere ? | 01:49 |
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| melmoth | most python apps | 01:49 |
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| GAN900 | jon1012, marginally obnoxius, but it may save you pain in the future. ;) | 01:49 |
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| jon1012 | ok :) | 01:49 |
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| GAN900 | Ugh, I get 1 bar of signal in this house. | 01:50 |
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| GAN900 | The perfect number to kill my battery in 8 hours. | 01:50 |
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| Macer | lol | 01:51 |
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| Macer | the dollhouse where everybody is high | 01:51 |
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| Macer | is cracking me up | 01:52 |
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| xorAxAx | hmm, looks like powertop is stuck in the build queue | 01:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | woo! | 01:53 |
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| lardman|home | SpeedEvil: ? | 01:53 |
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| * SpeedEvil gets unusually excited over powertop. | 01:54 |
| xorAxAx | who was the builder master again? :) | 01:54 |
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| xorAxAx | who could make it unstuck ... | 01:54 |
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| xorAxAx | its really a small package and has been enqueued since 21:44Z | 01:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Bob? | 01:55 |
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| xorAxAx | na, i dont mean your toy | 01:56 |
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| jon1012 | what is the real path for /usr/lib/pymodules in scratchbox ? | 01:56 |
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| jon1012 | (I want to see some files with my explorer but I can't find those in real filesystem) | 01:57 |
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| GAN900 | powertop is built in. | 01:58 |
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| mikhas | /scratchbox/users/your_user/targets/your_current_target/user/lib/pymodules IIRC | 01:59 |
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| jon1012 | thanks | 01:59 |
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| BabelO | GAN900: you have to do a kernem with CONFIG_NO_HZ, that what powertop says :) | 01:59 |
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| BabelO | jebba : powertop complain about this missing option | 02:02 |
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| BabelO | maybe i have to check /proc/config.gz if it is on N900 | 02:02 |
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| jon1012 | about pymaemo, is adding a console_scripts entry point enough to create an executable ? | 02:02 |
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| jon1012 | (in setup.py) | 02:03 |
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| GAN900 | Babel0, works fine here. :) | 02:08 |
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| BabelO | GAN900: you did not got the advice from powertop ? | 02:08 |
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| Dr_Cain | hmm | 02:08 |
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| Dr_Cain | playing flash in the background | 02:08 |
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| Dr_Cain | and checking top in the meantime | 02:08 |
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| Dr_Cain | and pulseaudio is using 16% cpu | 02:08 |
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| Dr_Cain | that's not really acceptable | 02:09 |
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| crashanddie | Dr_Cain: not acceptable? | 02:09 |
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| BabelO | GAN900: here http://pastebin.ca/1715092 | 02:10 |
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| SinofEnvy[] | hi guys, does anyone know if that app Flashlight (now in devel I think) uses torch mode or full blown flash? | 02:11 |
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| SinofEnvy[] | dont wanna burn my leds :p or is it safe either way? | 02:11 |
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| GAN900 | Babel0, no. | 02:12 |
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| GAN900 | SinofEnvy, who's the maintainer? | 02:12 |
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| BabelO | GAN900: hm ok | 02:12 |
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| Dr_Cain | crashanddie: cpu was att 100% load from the flash crap | 02:12 |
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| SinofEnvy[] | uhhh... no clue | 02:12 |
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| SinofEnvy[] | let me try and find out | 02:13 |
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| GAN900 | Well, the package will tell you. | 02:13 |
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| Dr_Cain | nobody likes pulseaudio | 02:13 |
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| SinofEnvy[] | yes sec | 02:13 |
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| Dr_Cain | it's a piece of garbage tbh | 02:13 |
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| Dr_Cain | would be nice if we could replace it with oss4 or something | 02:13 |
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| GAN900 | lol | 02:13 |
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| GAN900 | I'm so tired of people bitching about Pulse. | 02:14 |
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| Dr_Cain | never gets old :P | 02:14 |
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| SinofEnvy[] | gan900; some Roman Moravcik | 02:14 |
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| SinofEnvy[] | dno who that is o_O | 02:14 |
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| Dr_Cain | also, is powertop what I think it is? | 02:14 |
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| GAN900 | FYI, Pulse does filtering to protect the speakers. | 02:16 |
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| Dr_Cain | hmm | 02:16 |
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| Dr_Cain | from clipping? | 02:16 |
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| GAN900 | Low freqs can damage them. | 02:18 |
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| lopz | hi | 02:18 |
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| GAN900 | Anyway, 16% doesn't tell you what speed the CPU is running. | 02:18 |
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| Dr_Cain | yeah I'll check cpuinfo next time | 02:19 |
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| pupnik | http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/ accelerated theora on n900 dsp (old) in case u missed | 02:40 |
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| TurboMan | hey sup maemo dudes | 02:54 |
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| TurboMan | i wanna get N900 what about the battery life | 02:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Depends. | 02:55 |
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| TurboMan | how long does it last for a normal usage, you know less phone calls and like 2.5-3 hours of browsing | 02:55 |
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| AakashPatel | It's good :P | 02:55 |
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| AakashPatel | Does this thing have dual mics? | 02:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | For example, ssh'd into it over wifi - >25 hours | 02:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 02:56 |
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| AakashPatel | darned | 02:56 |
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| TurboMan | i just dunno why nokia didn`t make it 1500 mAh :/ | 02:56 |
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| AakashPatel | It still records sound real good though | 02:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | TurboMan: because at some point mAh is irrelevant | 02:56 |
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| simula | i love the battery life | 02:56 |
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| TurboMan | SpeedEvil i had the normal N95 | 02:56 |
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| simula | whole day for normal usage - wifi / browsing | 02:56 |
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| TurboMan | i got the 8GB | 02:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | TurboMan: and making the device larger and heavier is outweighed by that | 02:56 |
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| TurboMan | its night and day diffirence !! | 02:57 |
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| kynky | also nokia used existing bl-5j | 02:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | 1200 vs 1500 is not really very large | 02:57 |
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| TurboMan | 950 vs 1200 | 02:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | night and day, for a 20% diff? | 02:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | 15% | 02:57 |
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| TurboMan | YEAH beliveme :p | 02:57 |
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| simula | just buy a second battery... they're $25 | 02:57 |
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| kynky | carry a small portable power pack with you :) | 02:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't. | 02:57 |
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| TurboMan | well maybe i was on an very early firmware | 02:57 |
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| TurboMan | they really got the battery improved on the original N95 | 02:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | For just browsing, and phone calls, the battery life is very good | 02:58 |
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| kynky | its amazing the diff between linux and symbian ;) | 02:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - but vast improvements on battery life did not come out of the 15% increase in battery. | 02:58 |
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| Dr_Cain | unless you get the wifi bug :p | 02:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | They come out of the software doing powersaving better | 02:58 |
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| Dr_Cain | then you can drain it in a few hours | 02:59 |
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| TurboMan | thanks god i waited and i didn`t buy the iphone :p | 02:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've never seen that. | 02:59 |
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| TurboMan | i was about to order one of the linux phones like Garmin G60 or NeoRunner | 02:59 |
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| TurboMan | but no way in hell i can compare them to the N900 | 03:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Neo Freerunner you mean | 03:00 |
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| TurboMan | lol yeah that one | 03:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | The FRs hardware is somewhat dated now. | 03:00 |
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| Milo- | the pen-thingy makes an absolutely brilliant coffee stirrer | 03:00 |
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| GAN900 | "somewhat" | 03:01 |
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| TurboMan | the only drawback i see now for N900 the GPS is useless :1 | 03:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | A 7 euro stirrer :/ | 03:01 |
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| * SpeedEvil stabs nokia in the face. | 03:01 |
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| GAN900 | TurboMan, howso? | 03:01 |
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| simula | hahah | 03:01 |
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| TurboMan | is there any good GPS app for linux ? | 03:01 |
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| pupnik | assisted gps is real fast | 03:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean, including a spare in the box will cost them _literally_ $.05 | 03:01 |
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| GAN900 | Maemo Mapper | 03:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | assisted GPS is fast in some conditions. | 03:01 |
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| kynky | TurboMan, cygnit releasing app very much like tomtom soon | 03:02 |
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| GAN900 | Sygic is releasing a port sometime soon. | 03:02 |
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| TurboMan | nothing beats garmin mobile XT :/ | 03:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | tomtom could even drop a port on it very easily | 03:02 |
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| TurboMan | i wish that it was avialable in linux | 03:02 |
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| Milo- | silly supertux won't work :( | 03:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'available in linux' is somewhat of a misnomer. | 03:03 |
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| Milo- | arrow down is missing | 03:03 |
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| TurboMan | err for linux lol | 03:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Just because you can get some on a desktop linux box - and you can probably run windows tomtom through wine - you can't run it on a phone | 03:03 |
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| TurboMan | its 4 am here and i`m still awake | 03:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Same for - say - skype video | 03:03 |
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| pupnik | games need to add keymapping | 03:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or flash 10 | 03:04 |
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| Milo- | is there anyone here who is able to tell me how the supertux is supposed to be controlled? | 03:04 |
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| kynky | flash10 soon though | 03:04 |
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| Milo- | up and down aren't working | 03:04 |
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| TurboMan | everything is possible in linux world | 03:04 |
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| TurboMan | it just needs time i know | 03:04 |
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| pupnik | what language device Milo- | 03:04 |
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| Milo- | finnish | 03:04 |
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| Milo- | I can see the up and down arrow | 03:05 |
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| Milo- | but they don't do a thing :/ | 03:05 |
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| pupnik | that is a bug | 03:05 |
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| TurboMan | the most thing i am excited about not just the Maemo OS the Project Mer | 03:05 |
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| Dr_Cain | Milo-: change keyboard layout to english before starting the game | 03:05 |
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| TurboMan | i wish half of the people around the world gets N900 to push the develompent of Project Mer | 03:05 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders talk when half the world gets a n900. | 03:06 |
| pupnik | help make n900 apps better, sell more | 03:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | At the moment talk is comprised of the self-selected smart people that saught out a linux phone. | 03:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | gloves | 03:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | though that too | 03:07 |
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| TurboMan | when the iphone 1st lunched there wasn`t that manny apps for it | 03:07 |
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| TurboMan | its still too early to judge about missing apps on maemo | 03:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | much | 03:08 |
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| Milo- | Dr_Cain I have to restart my phone to play a game? :po | 03:09 |
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| Milo- | :o | 03:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are maybe 5-6 apps that look useful. | 03:09 |
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| simula | list your 5-6 favorite apps speedevil :) | 03:09 |
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| TurboMan | what keeps the iphone so special too is the ability of upgrading the OS | 03:09 |
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| Dr_Cain | Milo-: shouldn't have to restart for a simple keyboard layout change? | 03:09 |
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| nomis | mpf. Right now I could use a tempo-adjust (without changing pitch) in the media player. Why haven't the nokia engineers thought about the exercising musician! | 03:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | simula: I mean of general interest | 03:09 |
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| TurboMan | Symbian phone = you stuck with an outdated os whenever a new phone is out | 03:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | simula: though I'm not really sure tha'ts quite relevant | 03:10 |
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| Milo- | Dr_Cain settings -> language & region ->? | 03:10 |
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| pupnik | nomis, mplayer has varispeed | 03:10 |
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| TurboMan | sometimes the hardware are the exact same | 03:10 |
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| Dr_Cain | Milo-: I think it's under text input | 03:10 |
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| Milo- | ah, found it :) | 03:11 |
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