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| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: AFAICT, all the standard repositories have proper signatures as far as APT knows. But sure, that doesn't say anything about the chain of trust for packages before they end up in the repository. | 00:00 |
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| konttori | gah. loading qt sdk still takes ages even with this 'blazing' 8 Mb connection | 00:07 |
| woglinde | qt sdk? | 00:07 |
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| konttori | http://qt.nokia.com/downloads | 00:10 |
| konttori | the sdk | 00:10 |
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| AakashPatel | hey | 00:11 |
| konttori | I installed snow leopard few weeks back and I'm still regaining my setup. | 00:11 |
| AakashPatel | is there any tutorial on how one can 'add' a chat protocal in the defualt convo's program on maemo | 00:11 |
| AakashPatel | ? | 00:11 |
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| konttori | AakashPatel: extras-devel has multiple new protocols to dl | 00:11 |
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| konttori | and as such, that also means that the source code for all of those is available from extras builder | 00:12 |
| konttori | thus, refer to one of those as your tutorial | 00:12 |
| AakashPatel | Ah | 00:12 |
| AakashPatel | http://maemo.org/packages/view/rtcom-accounts-plugin-gtalk/ | 00:12 |
| AakashPatel | i see | 00:12 |
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| AakashPatel | except thats the wrong one >.< | 00:13 |
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| AakashPatel | Does the Images app have a zoom function for zooming in on images/ | 00:45 |
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| lcuk | AakashPatel, we have zoom buttons :) | 00:48 |
| AakashPatel | OH YEAH | 00:48 |
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| AakashPatel | i've done it before | 00:49 |
| AakashPatel | lol guess i forgot | 00:49 |
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| johnq_ | Can someone give me a hint on how to debug init scripts? The job is started on package installation (via postinst) but it is not started upon system startup. | 00:54 |
| johnq_ | Could it have something to do with upstart? | 00:55 |
| woglinde | johnq yes | 00:55 |
| johnq_ | I used update-rc.d jobname defaults to "activate" the init script | 00:56 |
| jebba | johnq_: what's the package? | 00:58 |
| johnq_ | jebba: i'm currently creating it | 00:59 |
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| jebba | whatcha packaging? | 01:02 |
| johnq_ | evopedia | 01:02 |
| johnq_ | jebba: if you want to try, I can upload the package somewhere | 01:03 |
| Vratha | man, no one is selling a bigger battery for the n900 yet :( | 01:05 |
| Vratha | i wants it! | 01:05 |
| johnq_ | http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia_0.2.3-r2_armel.deb | 01:06 |
| Vratha | sometimes you guys talk about openmoko. was that using maemo or something? | 01:06 |
| johnq_ | the package contains the squashfs kernel module | 01:06 |
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| johnq_ | and you need one data file from http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/ (some GB...) | 01:07 |
| dmj726_n900 | Gue | 01:07 |
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| johnq_ | Vratha: no, openmoko is also a linux-based phone platform | 01:08 |
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| dmj726_n900 | Guess what I just recieved! | 01:08 |
| johnq_ | Vratha: more open but less successful I would say | 01:08 |
| Vratha | yeah, i thought it was cancelled | 01:08 |
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| johnq_ | Vratha: the company support was cancelled, but the community of course continues on | 01:09 |
| Vratha | yes, but without a company, it's not a phone that's going anywhere | 01:09 |
| Vratha | they're not making any new phones, right? | 01:09 |
| johnq_ | at the moment they are talking with some university that could produce some hardware | 01:10 |
| Vratha | ah, i see | 01:10 |
| dmj726_n900 | All they made recently was a wikipedia reader. | 01:10 |
| pwnguin | am i missing something? i'm looking for irreco for n900 | 01:10 |
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| dmj726_n900 | Extras devel or testing? | 01:11 |
| JoshTriplett | timeless_mbp: bug 7141 , by the way. | 01:11 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 Fremantle Tools repository not properly signed | 01:11 |
| pwnguin | pretty sure i have devel enabled | 01:11 |
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| woglinde | pwnguin look twice | 01:12 |
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| pwnguin | aww nuts | 01:12 |
| jebba | johnq_: how you doing evopedia without squashfs? | 01:12 |
| pwnguin | i copied pasted poorly | 01:12 |
| jebba | i'd love to check it out for certain | 01:12 |
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| Macer | does anybody here use dd-wrt? | 01:13 |
| Macer | as a vpn server? | 01:13 |
| dmj726_n900 | I just got my n900 yesterday! I'm typing from it right now. | 01:13 |
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| dmj726_n900 | Anybody who says it can't multitask well hasn't seen my screen. | 01:14 |
| Vratha | Macer: nah, i use a sheevaplug with debian installed behind my airport extreme | 01:14 |
| jebba | johnq_: I have it installed and it launches. No data yet, no squashfs which is killer (use FUSE possibly?), not optified, but you knew that ;) | 01:14 |
| rdorsch | Is there a way to get /var/log/auth in maemo 5? | 01:15 |
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| jebba | rdorsch: install syslogd klogd and then edit /etc/syslog.conf (untested) | 01:16 |
| rdorsch | I try to do ssh logins with rsa keys, but for some reason it works only for root not the user | 01:16 |
| Macer | Vratha: that just requires that you forward the port to the box? | 01:16 |
| rdorsch | jebba: thanks, let me check | 01:16 |
| jebba | rdorsch: try setting a password for user "user" | 01:16 |
| Macer | i would honestly just use the dd-wrt stuff since it's small and already on the router | 01:16 |
| Macer | just can't seem to get it to connect and am starting to think tmob is blocking the vpn port | 01:16 |
| Vratha | Macer: you know, acutally, i don't know, because i'm speaking slightly in hyperbole. i do have debian running on a sheevaplug, but i haven't worked on the vpn aspect yet | 01:16 |
| Vratha | but i would think that's all i need | 01:16 |
| rdorsch | jebba: do you know why that is not needed on the n810? | 01:17 |
| johnq_ | jebba: the squashfs module is inside of the .db | 01:17 |
| jebba | rdorsch: no idea, but i *think* i had to add it to do it, though another user said they didnt | 01:17 |
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| jebba | johnq_: ! wow cool | 01:17 |
| Macer | Vratha: heh. well. the problem is that i am not on site so i have to wait til later to figure it out | 01:17 |
| Vratha | hmm, maybe. i hope tmo isn't blocking that. i just want net neutrality to pass | 01:17 |
| odin_ | what is "omap2_mcspi" ? is "wl12xx" the Wireless Lan ? | 01:17 |
| Macer | but for some reason the stupid thing doesn't seem to let me connect to it | 01:17 |
| Vratha | :( | 01:17 |
| Macer | Vratha: they might ;) | 01:17 |
| Vratha | i don't know. i would love to have that seutp though | 01:17 |
| Macer | phone companies are funny like that | 01:17 |
| rdorsch | jabba: setting a password solved the problem. | 01:17 |
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| Macer | sprint has wimax in chicago now | 01:18 |
| Vratha | yeah, they're a bunch of thugs | 01:18 |
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| Macer | too bad i don't have a wimax n810 that would be kind of awesome | 01:18 |
| Vratha | yeah | 01:18 |
| Vratha | i don't think we have wimax in the NYC area | 01:18 |
| Macer | n8810 would be a lot more useful if i had gotten the wimax version | 01:18 |
| johnq_ | jebba: should I move everything to opt? | 01:18 |
| Macer | but it took like 3 years to get here so it wasn't worth it | 01:18 |
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| Macer | but i actually might hold off on getting an n900 until nokia releases a wimax version of it :) heh | 01:18 |
| johnq_ | jebba: this is the dump of a small wikipedia: http://vitels.cs.uni-tuebingen.de/dumps/als/wikipedia.squashfs | 01:19 |
| Macer | but tmob doesn't look like it has much in the way of 4G plans | 01:19 |
| Macer | 3G is too latent | 01:19 |
| johnq_ | jebba: could you try it with that? (you have to copy it to /home/user/MyDocs/) | 01:19 |
| jebba | johnq_: just so i understand clearly, cuz it surprises me. I'm downloading wget http://vitels.cs.uni-tuebingen.de/dumps/es/wikipedia.squashfs and you say *that* has the squashfs kernel module in it for n900 ???(!) | 01:19 |
| johnq_ | jebba: no, the .deb has the squashfs module | 01:19 |
| jebba | grabbing http://vitels.cs.uni-tuebingen.de/dumps/als/wikipedia.squashfs | 01:19 |
| johnq_ | you can also try the es dump, of course | 01:20 |
| jebba | grabbing small one for testing | 01:20 |
| johnq_ | fine :-) | 01:20 |
| dmj726_n900 | So far tmobile seems to have decent 3g coverage in chicagoland. | 01:20 |
| jebba | i'm just getting 15k/sec ;) | 01:20 |
| jebba | though i'm getting 4M/sec to my server. nice ,) | 01:21 |
| Vratha | Macer: tmo has plans to release LTE | 01:21 |
| dmj726_n900 | 2010 or 2011 i think | 01:22 |
| Vratha | tmo has decent 3g 30 mi. north of NYC | 01:22 |
| Vratha | dmj726_n900: yeah, 2010 i thought | 01:22 |
| dmj726_n900 | Yep | 01:22 |
| Vratha | however, even when i hit an HSPA tower, i still get crappy speeds (about 1 Mbps) | 01:22 |
| johnq_ | jebba: should we try a different server? | 01:23 |
| rdorsch | jebba: many thanks for your help :-) | 01:23 |
| jebba | [89999.994445] squashfs: version 4.0 (2009/01/31) Phillip Lougher | 01:23 |
| jebba | rdorsch: np, that worked? | 01:23 |
| dmj726_n900 | Right now I have a prepaid sim in it and have only ever had 2g on the highway in the middle of nowhere | 01:23 |
| rdorsch | jebba: yes, settting a password worked. | 01:24 |
| rdorsch | jebba: maybe it is not required for the n810, because it comes with an older ssh version | 01:24 |
| dmj726_n900 | Haven't actually used data yet | 01:24 |
| jebba | johnq_: just minute more to go. If you have a faster server (i'm in .ar) for the 2 gig file that would be cool. | 01:24 |
| dmj726_n900 | Not unteil we switch plans | 01:24 |
| jebba | rdorsch: ok, ya cuz someone here told me setting a password was unnecessary, but i had to do it anyway... ;) | 01:25 |
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| dmj726_n900 | Password is important if you don't want to be hacked like an iphone user | 01:26 |
| pwnguin | uh | 01:26 |
| pwnguin | dont run ssh? | 01:26 |
| johnq_ | jebba: I'm now transferring the es file with 11 M/s to another server (3 minutes to go) | 01:27 |
| dmj726_n900 | If you are i meean | 01:27 |
| sp3000 | pwnguin: blasphemy | 01:27 |
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| jebba | ok, johnq_, got the base file installed. the 15M. It launches, basic page with search box. | 01:29 |
| jebba | not sure what to search for though in a small wiki | 01:30 |
| JoshTriplett | Where should I report bugs about the Maemo OpenSSH packages? I don't see an appropriate component in Bugzilla. | 01:30 |
| woglinde | JoshTriplett write the uploader | 01:30 |
| JoshTriplett | woglinde: hrm? | 01:30 |
| JoshTriplett | woglinde: Ah, took me a moment to parse that. | 01:30 |
| johnq_ | jebba: if you enter a single letter in the search box, you should automatically get a list of articles starting with that letter | 01:31 |
| JoshTriplett | woglinde: As in, mail the person who uploaded the package? | 01:31 |
| woglinde | /usr/share/doc/openssh/changelog.Debian.gz | 01:31 |
| woglinde | should it mention | 01:31 |
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| JoshTriplett | woglinde: Well, not on the device, given docpurge, but I can track it down. :) | 01:31 |
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| jebba | hmm, johnq_ entering "a" "b" etc, none give me results. Perhaps just an empty db? I see that it quickly does a search as i enter a letter, but get "no results" | 01:33 |
| johnq_ | jebba: let me try | 01:33 |
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| johnq_ | jebba: by the way, http://reitwiessner.de/openmoko/es_wikipedia.squashfs is ready | 01:34 |
| jebba | johnq_: is that the same as http://vitels.cs.uni-tuebingen.de/dumps/es/wikipedia.squashfs ? Download to both is like really slow, but again, i'm in south america... | 01:36 |
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| jebba | johnq_: i'm getting 100k from my server which has complete copy: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/scratchbox/wikipedia/wikipedia-es.squashfs | 01:37 |
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| jebba | now i'm even getting a few hundred k/sec there, but this is still gonna take a couple hours. | 01:38 |
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| johnq_ | jebba: i'm getting search results | 01:46 |
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| johnq_ | jebba: do you have the file mounted correctly? Are there many directories in /usr/lib/evopedia/articles? | 01:47 |
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| jebba | ls: /usr/lib/evopedia/articles: No such file or directory | 01:47 |
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| jebba | ~ $ lsmod |grep squashfs | 01:47 |
| jebba | squashfs 22340 0 | 01:47 |
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| jebba | though i insmod'd squashfs manually (i'm not running stock kernel, but a rebuild of 2.6.28-omap1). Kernel module is happy. How do I mount the image then? | 01:48 |
| jebba | johnq_ | 01:49 |
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| jebba | 15699968 Sep 23 12:16 /home/user/MyDocs/wikipedia.squashfs | 01:49 |
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| johnq_ | jebba: mount /home/user/MyDocs/wikipedia.squashfs /usr/lib/evopedia/articles -o loop -t squashfs | 01:52 |
| jebba | johnq_: here's the problem: | 01:52 |
| jebba | you need to mkdir /usr/lib/evopedia/articles somewhere. | 01:52 |
| jebba | Mounting Wikipedia data image: mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /usr/lib/evopedia/articles failed: No such file or directory | 01:53 |
| jebba | johnq_: I mkdir /usr/lib/evopedia/articles and now it's ok | 01:53 |
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| jebba | ya, johnq it's working | 01:53 |
| jebba | :) this is FANTASTIC. I'm so glad you did this thanks++++ | 01:54 |
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| johnq_ | jebba: ah sorry | 01:55 |
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| johnq_ | jebba: you are welcome ;-) | 01:55 |
| johnq_ | jebba: the directory should be created when the .deb is installed. But perhaps it's a problem that it's empty. | 01:55 |
| jebba | johnq_: no the directory ISN'T created. /usr/lib/evopedia/articles <-- was not there. A simple mkdir somewhere and make sure it gets packaged up or whatever would fix it. | 01:56 |
| jebba | 76m til es wikipedia :) /me very happy :) | 01:57 |
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| johnq_ | *g* | 01:58 |
| jebba | I just finished my asterisk package too :) coming up! | 01:58 |
| johnq_ | jebba: could you check if the evopedia server is restarted upon reboot? | 01:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 01:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i just found a geotag for the south pole | 01:59 |
| timeless_mbp | well, it's only 79deg south | 01:59 |
| jebba | johnq_: will do right now | 01:59 |
| timeless_mbp | but that's close, right? | 01:59 |
| jebba | Is the maemo setup doing a bunch of kexecing? | 02:01 |
| jebba | like on shutdown? | 02:01 |
| thresh | anyone to write vlc interface for n900? :) | 02:02 |
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| AakashPatel | In the features it says the n900 supports UPnP | 02:02 |
| thresh | i will probably have time to properly package all the essential vlc dependancies | 02:02 |
| AakashPatel | ...is that included by default in maemo? | 02:02 |
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| thresh | AakashPatel: if you mean DLNA stuff, then yes | 02:02 |
| AakashPatel | Oh really | 02:03 |
| AakashPatel | How would I enable it? | 02:03 |
| thresh | at least on my n900 it managed to find music on my dlna server | 02:03 |
| thresh | go to music player? | 02:03 |
| AakashPatel | Oh | 02:03 |
| AakashPatel | i thought you meant you could share to DNLA devices | 02:03 |
| jebba | johnq_: did not start up for me. Note, i am using a different kernel, but I did run this: sudo cp -p 2.6.28-omap1/squashfs.ko 2.6.28-omap1-jebba5 ; sudo depmod -ae | 02:03 |
| thresh | ahh no idea, probably not | 02:03 |
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| johnq_ | jebba: I don't think this is the problem | 02:04 |
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| jebba | johnq_: works fine if i run sudo /etc/init.d/evopedia start | 02:06 |
| johnq_ | could it be that it is started way too early? | 02:08 |
| swc|666 | ugh, has anyone built iptables for fremantle or am i blind? | 02:10 |
| jebba | johnq_: you start at S20. lighttpd starts then too, but DOESN'T start for me. Lots starts after S20. ssh which does start is S55. | 02:12 |
| johnq_ | there is also /etc/event.d ... | 02:13 |
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| jebba | johnq_: fwiw, ssh isn't in event.d | 02:14 |
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| johnq_ | jebba: it is on my device (sshd) | 02:15 |
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| thresh | swc|666: i cant see it either | 02:15 |
| swc|666 | thresh, unbelievable :s | 02:15 |
| jebba | johnq_: you're correct, sshd is there | 02:15 |
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| thresh | swc|666: i suppose it is just a matter of rebuilding a debian package | 02:16 |
| swc|666 | thresh, i'm still trying to figure out how to use scratchbox to build debian packages | 02:16 |
| thresh | gtg catch some sleep | 02:16 |
| thresh | there are howtos :) | 02:16 |
| jebba | swc|666: iptables wouldn't work with stock kernel because NAT modules won't work. See: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/TESTS/modprobe-test.log | 02:16 |
| jebba | well, sry, i was assuming you were wanting to do NAT. iptables may work for other purposes. | 02:17 |
| swc|666 | jebba, i've got scratchbox right now setep for building a new kernel .. wish there was a way to make menuconfig | 02:17 |
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| jebba | Connected to Asterisk 1.6.2.0-2 currently running on Nokia-N900-42-11 (pid = 1601) | 02:18 |
| swc|666 | jebba, also.. | 02:18 |
| vbenes | Jaffa: ping | 02:18 |
| jebba | swc|666: make it out of your scratchbox: ARCH=arm make menuconfig | 02:18 |
| swc|666 | have u tried objcopy --strip-debug -R .modinfo -R __versions <driver>.ko ?? | 02:18 |
| jebba | swc|666: have't tried the stip debug thing | 02:19 |
| swc|666 | that might take care of the Unknown symbol in module issues | 02:19 |
| swc|666 | s/might/should/ | 02:19 |
| infobot | swc|666 meant: that should take care of the Unknown symbol in module issues | 02:19 |
| cehteh | swc|666: there are some hints how to make menuconfig working on scratchbox | 02:19 |
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| swc|666 | cehteh, oh? | 02:20 |
| cehteh | on the wiki. .. needs a small patch to the kernel build system iirc | 02:20 |
| swc|666 | sweett... | 02:20 |
| * swc|666 looks... | 02:20 | |
| swc|666 | sweet* | 02:20 |
| vbenes | Jaffa: have created rpm of tablet-encode for fedora and posted it to rpmfusion .. it would be nice to have some icon for gui and for menu .. have you got any idea about it? thanks | 02:20 |
| jebba | cehteh: ya, but a bit more probs than that I ran into. Just exit scratchbox and run: ARCH=arm make menuconfig | 02:20 |
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| cehteh | i never tried to build a kernel .. still no device | 02:20 |
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| swc|666 | cehteh, damn i'm blind .. | 02:21 |
| swc|666 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Kernel_Guide#Using_make_menuconfig | 02:21 |
| cehteh | well i now ordered from amazon warehouse deal too 478 Eur .. maybe damanged packaging | 02:21 |
| cehteh | will arrive on 23th! | 02:21 |
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| swc|666 | cehteh, yea i just got mine..cancelled my rig amazon order because they kept pushing expected date, so i *overpaid* with another supplier | 02:22 |
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| swc|666 | $810 after all was said/done :/ | 02:22 |
| cehteh | at least i can hold a device in my hand then .. maybe i send that back later (30 days trial) .. and wait for my regular preordered device which will have a newer firmware and stuff when it becomes available | 02:22 |
| jebba | swc|666: i have lots of info on my wikipage too about kernel http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba | 02:22 |
| swc|666 | cehteh, yea i get the random reboots occasionally -- 32wd_to crap | 02:23 |
| swc|666 | ah yea! | 02:23 |
| swc|666 | jebba, now i recognize your name :D | 02:23 |
| cehteh | heh .. if there is *any* flaw i will send it back | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | 30 day trial? | 02:24 |
| cehteh | amazon | 02:24 |
| swc|666 | jebba, if i were to do ARCH=arm make menuconfig out of scratchbox, do i need to set some env variables for the compilers or are they already set? (havent got that far with looking at which vars are needed for maemo cross tools) | 02:24 |
| swc|666 | actualyl lemme try this wiki way first and see if i </fail> | 02:25 |
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| jebba | swc|666: just in your /scratcbox/home/swc/linux-2.6.28 directory or wherever the kernel is. You don't need to do any other options. This is just for making the .config | 02:27 |
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| jebba | then pop back into the scratchbox to make the .deb or kernel itself. | 02:28 |
| jebba | (well, i usually just keep a terminal open that is in the /scratchbox/users/jebba/home/jebba/foo dir that isn't actually chrooted to do other things, then have a few chrooted terminals open | 02:28 |
| swc|666 | sweet, makes sense | 02:29 |
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| johnq_ | jebba: putting a script in /etc/event.d works... | 02:36 |
| jebba | cool :) | 02:36 |
| Arkenoi | nokia messaging is real shit | 02:37 |
| Arkenoi | "attachment too large to downoad" | 02:37 |
| Arkenoi | wtf? | 02:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's over 9000. | 02:38 |
| pupnik_ | http://media.fukung.net/images/18272/apple.jpg Here is your alternative, Arkenoi | 02:38 |
| SmilybOrg | what? 9000? | 02:38 |
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| jebba | Connected to Asterisk 1.6.2.0-2 currently running on Nokia-N900-42-11 (pid = 1692) | 02:39 |
| Arkenoi | pupnik_, i hope there must be another one ;-) | 02:39 |
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| johnq_ | jebba: actually it does not _really_ work, it just executes something | 02:39 |
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| jebba | ignore +pupnik_ +luke-jr_ | 02:40 |
| pupnik_ | that is indeed advisable for many | 02:41 |
| pupnik_ | be sure to regexp the _ and __ | 02:41 |
| jebba | ... | 02:41 |
| luke-jr_ | lol | 02:41 |
| pupnik_ | btw it was a joke | 02:41 |
| pupnik_ | i like iphones. they're beautiful, just not for me | 02:42 |
| cehteh | lame excuse to be in a apple store | 02:43 |
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| pupnik_ | nokia has *balls* to do this open-source thing. and expose itself to all the whining, bitching, yammering public in this way. | 02:44 |
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| Arkenoi | i just hope there will be proper imap-idle or at least syncml support | 02:47 |
| Arkenoi | nokia messaging is almost non-functional, troubles all the way | 02:47 |
| cehteh | claws-mail is in testing or extras :) | 02:47 |
| Arkenoi | does it support push mode? via imap idle or something? seems that checking for email every 5 minutes 1) gives you up to 5 minutes delay 2) drains battery more than online push | 02:48 |
| cehteh | i am not a heavy email user, but i have huge mailboxes and use mail sometimes | 02:48 |
| cehteh | and modest doesnt even apeal me a little bit | 02:49 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 02:49 | |
| cehteh | Arkenoi: yes full imap idle support and lots of bell and whistle claws is prolly the best mail client out there | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | modest works if your server's MfE and its are compatible | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | if not, you're going to be unhappy w/ pretty much *every* mail client in the world | 02:49 |
| jebba | hmm, the builder doesnt seem to be advancing for awhile. Was humming along pretty good for the past couple days. Wonder if it needs a kick. | 02:49 |
| cehteh | MfE? | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | You are currently using 6431 MB (86%) of your 7403 MB. | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | that's my primary mailbox | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | can you imagine trying to speak imap to it? | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | Inbox (350015) | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | that's the number of unread *conversations* | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | MfE/ActiveSync | 02:50 |
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| jebba | time to unsubscribe to a few things it sounds like.... | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | why should i? :) | 02:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it works fine in my primary ui | 02:51 |
| cehteh | timeless: looks similar for me .. just more subfolders | 02:51 |
| swc|666 | sweet, compiling my first kernel for maemo | 02:51 |
| * swc|666 waits for errors | 02:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | cehteh: how many messages do you get in a minute? :) | 02:51 |
| cehteh | while modest cant even display threads or? (i didnt found that option) | 02:51 |
| timeless_mbp | correct, it can't | 02:51 |
| cehteh | and you cant select which folder to subscribe | 02:51 |
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| Arkenoi | timeless_mbp, actually i do not see any technical advantage of MfE/activesync over any other technology (syncml, imap idle, whatever) so i cannot clearly see why this one should work and others should not ;-) | 02:52 |
| cehteh | $ du -sh Maildir/ | 02:52 |
| cehteh | 1.4GMaildir/ | 02:52 |
| cehteh | on my mailserver :) | 02:52 |
| timeless_mbp | cehteh: that's a pittance | 02:52 |
| timeless_mbp | gmail is hosting >6gb for me, in one mailbox :) | 02:52 |
| cehteh | i have my own server | 02:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm sorry :) | 02:53 |
| cehteh | haha | 02:53 |
| timeless_mbp | what a waste of electricity ;-) | 02:53 |
| cehteh | well it does a lot more useful stuff :) | 02:53 |
| mikhas | and what a waste of adsense possibilities! | 02:53 |
| timeless_mbp | i doubt that =b | 02:53 |
| cehteh | and its a via C3 .. | 02:53 |
| cehteh | primary/secondary dns and some other services | 02:54 |
| Arkenoi | btw what was the name of dedicated gmail client? was it ported to maemo5? | 02:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: never heard of one | 02:54 |
| mikhas | cehteh, how is google supposed to offer you content-tailored ads if you store your e-mails on your own server?! | 02:54 |
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| Arkenoi | there was one for os2008 | 02:55 |
| cehteh | come on, google will find a solution :) | 02:55 |
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| mikhas | they will sue you for cutting into their profits! | 02:55 |
| cehteh | yeah someday we have to pay google for not using them | 02:55 |
| cehteh | like german television :P | 02:56 |
| jebba | anyone know how to get a color terminal, local and/or remote? | 02:59 |
| jebba | export TERM=xterm-color doesn't work | 02:59 |
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| swc|666 | jebba, i was JUST looking for the same info | 03:00 |
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| jebba | for some reason i thought i had it working at some point, but may have been imagination | 03:00 |
| swc|666 | lol | 03:01 |
| jebba | swc|666: ah ya,. I do have it working with TERM=xterm-color in things like vim from remote | 03:03 |
| swc|666 | sweet | 03:03 |
| jebba | and locally, but ls and asterisk console aren't working with it | 03:03 |
| toggles_2 | wtfubunut | 03:04 |
| swc|666 | i wish there was an iax2 soft client | 03:04 |
| swc|666 | softphone* | 03:04 |
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| jebba | for n900, ya for sure. | 03:07 |
| jebba | telepathy-iax2 would rule. | 03:07 |
| swc|666 | yep! | 03:07 |
| jebba | cuz then could just plug into the rest of the system | 03:07 |
| jebba | X-Fade: fyi, build server appears wedged (nothing advancing, and nothing "huge" pending that would tie it up AFAICT) | 03:09 |
| pupnik_ | I would like to produce an advertisement for a maemo app. | 03:11 |
| swc|666 | phew, no errors in kern build .. | 03:12 |
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| jebba | :) | 03:21 |
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| odin_ | anyone experience WLAN loss under load (i.e. rsync over ssh) | 03:42 |
| derf | Yes, I think so. | 03:43 |
| derf | I just ran rsync again. | 03:43 |
| odin_ | no I need to reboot my N900 to get it to connect back up to WLAN | 03:43 |
| derf | Oh, then no. | 03:43 |
| jebba | havent had that. Definitely had it pause quite often though | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | derf: I've only pished a gigabyte or so to the n900, and no problems | 03:44 |
| jebba | I rsync the entire device quite often and havent had probs with that | 03:44 |
| derf | All I know is my first attempt to rsync backup the whole thing (1.7 GB) failed. | 03:44 |
| odin_ | what speed it the eMMC ? I have a Class6 16Gb microSD I am saving to | 03:45 |
| derf | I tried it again and it worked, so no worries. | 03:45 |
| jebba | copying over 2.1G wikipedia-es.squashfs right now going fine, fwiw | 03:45 |
| jebba | derf: you make sure you're not rsyncing things like /proc, right? | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: I got ~8M/second IIRC | 03:45 |
| derf | jebba: I'm not an idiot. | 03:45 |
| odin_ | I've never had a problem with 'sftp' but I am using rsync today, as its a tree... what are you using ? | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: write speed | 03:45 |
| jebba | derf: i wasn't suggesting you were an idiot, but i'll be sure to not suggest things in the future, if you prefer. | 03:46 |
| odin_ | jebba, what method are you using to transfer 2.1Gb ? | 03:46 |
| jebba | odin_: right now just scp. 1.2Mbs | 03:47 |
| odin_ | ok thats same as sftp is not it | 03:47 |
| jebba | odin_: ya more or less | 03:47 |
| odin_ | rsync is special in that is uses 2 processes and non-blocking IO | 03:47 |
| jebba | I should mention i also do the rsync in an ssh tunnel | 03:47 |
| odin_ | in a tunnel or over ssh ? | 03:48 |
| odin_ | a tunnel would mean using an rsync server on port 873, and using SSH just to port forward (i.e. tunnel connections) | 03:48 |
| odin_ | where as rsync-over-ssh is just opening a non-interactive SSH session and execution the rsync command at the remote end and using SSHs tty link send/recv to do IO | 03:49 |
| odin_ | rsync -av -e 'ssh -l root' mydir 192.168.1.1:/media/mmc1/dirthere/ | 03:50 |
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| odin_ | I might see if "ssh -c arcfour" crypto speeds up the IO | 03:51 |
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| jebba | odin_: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Backups | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Does the SoC have a crypto unit? | 03:52 |
| jebba | hmm, yep, buildserver very much looks wedged :( Or maybe it's gone back to being slow as hell. Either way, it was moving fine thru packages earlier, but no more. | 03:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a centralised per-app 'forum' type thing? | 03:55 |
| swc|666 | when i build my own kernel and kernel modules, what is the correct way to build a dpkg of the modules? | 03:55 |
| jebba | swc|666: you can just "dpkg-buildpackage -j1 -rfakeroot -b" | 03:56 |
| swc|666 | jebba, ok thx .. thse were the flags i was unclear of | 03:57 |
| swc|666 | s/thse/those/ | 03:58 |
| infobot | swc|666 meant: jebba, ok thx .. those were the flags i was unclear of | 03:58 |
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| swc|666 | jebba, one more question .. when i run that it seems like it rm's my .config .. how do i make my custom .config persist when running that ^ ? | 04:07 |
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| swc|666 | ah nm | 04:10 |
| swc|666 | i see now | 04:10 |
| swc|666 | i have to diff it | 04:10 |
| jebba | swc|666: see here for some scripts I use: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/scratchbox/kernel/ and here: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/scratchbox/kernel/freemoe-2.6.28/kernel-2.6.28/debian/ | 04:12 |
| jebba | hint: you probably want to do a rx51_defconfig of some sort. | 04:12 |
| swc|666 | kk | 04:12 |
| jebba | that's the live scratchbox i build things in, so you can see various other kernels and changes in surrounding dirs | 04:13 |
| jebba | the whole mess, right there ;) | 04:13 |
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| jebba | swc|666: what you building a custom kernel for anyway? | 04:13 |
| swc|666 | jebba, extra filesystem support and netfilter stuff mostly (for now) | 04:14 |
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| jebba | ya, sounds same here ;) | 04:14 |
| swc|666 | oh, and extra crypto extensions | 04:14 |
| odin_ | does the WLAN have to stop to take a data connection ? | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | but it does | 04:15 |
| odin_ | or receive an SMS | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Not for SMS | 04:15 |
| odin_ | it needs "policy routing" compiled into the kernel to do it properly | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | However, the default software won't bring up two IP interfaces at once | 04:16 |
| odin_ | this way, so long as GPRS and WLAN use different private IP subnet, you can bind the local connection to the correct interface address and have 2 default routes | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 04:17 |
| odin_ | this also means you dont loose connectivity on either as the other one goes up/down, evem for already running connection using the default route | 04:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Though I don't imagine many people will find a use for the GPRS subnet | 04:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | whereas a route to the wlan subnet would be handy - even when gprs is active | 04:17 |
| odin_ | no the point is that to take MMS (if thats ever implemented, you need to bring WLAN down as it is) | 04:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose GPRS DNS maybe | 04:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:18 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: beware of spelling errors | 04:18 |
| SpeedEvil | GPRS needs to stop to take a call though | 04:19 |
| timeless_mbp | lest i loose the wrath of a dictionary against your for losing track of your o's | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Unsure about EDGE, not with 3g though | 04:19 |
| timeless_mbp | the big problem w/ multiple addresses | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | UI | 04:20 |
| timeless_mbp | is inheritance of bindings to applications | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | And edge cases | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | and that | 04:20 |
| timeless_mbp | bringing down wlan isn't needed | 04:20 |
| odin_ | sorry timeless did I make a bad spelling error ? or are you warning me it's late and you are about to make some too :) | 04:20 |
| timeless_mbp | you did | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes you want to do 'silly' things - that aren't easy for the software to pick up. | 04:21 |
| jebba | odin_: s/loose/lose .. | 04:21 |
| jebba | whatever. | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | For example I sometimes want to drop off wlan and go to 3g - simply as my wlan connection is just fine - but the DSL router behind it has fallen over. | 04:21 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 04:21 | |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: is there anyone besides X-Fade that can look at the build server? | 04:21 |
| timeless_mbp | often i want to keep an ssh connection bound via one thing | 04:21 |
| timeless_mbp | and let other things get pot luck | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: yeah, that too. | 04:22 |
| odin_ | I type phonetically these days, for some reason | 04:22 |
| timeless_mbp | but allowing a user to try to explain that is a disaster | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: transparent vpn goodness would be good | 04:22 |
| odin_ | maybe I should pick up a musical instrument | 04:22 |
| timeless_mbp | and that's assuming a non linux kernel | 04:22 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: i claim that you can't use phonics as an excuse in this case | 04:22 |
| timeless_mbp | oo is defined | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | oooooooooooooooooooo | 04:23 |
| odin_ | I don't think its my keyboard either.... let me check out my chair... | 04:23 |
| odin_ | the problem is somewhere around here | 04:23 |
| odin_ | now you are going to hang me over the use of "its" when I meant to say "it's" ? | 04:24 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 04:24 |
| odin_ | lestype da txt speak init xx | 04:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Picking on people for grammar and typing is silly. | 04:24 |
| SpeedEvil | When you can rip them for content. | 04:24 |
| sp3000 | if you say you loooooooose, it's not a typo anymore, right? :) | 04:24 |
| odin_ | nope, because that is not defined ! | 04:25 |
| timeless_mbp | no, it's "cat got your keyboard" | 04:25 |
| * luke-jr_ hates when people change APIs out from under him -.- | 04:25 | |
| odin_ | ah well policy routing is something to look into in the new year then, hmm I look to be busy for 2010 it seems | 04:25 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: it's hard to pick on people for content when you can't understand what they're saying | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Policy routing would be nice. | 04:26 |
| * timeless_mbp still likes a request for people to "deliver changes in smaller Junks" | 04:26 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:26 |
| timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_(ship) | 04:26 |
| timeless_mbp | (junks are rather large ships) | 04:27 |
| odin_ | anyone know where to get a copy of Windows Live Messager for S60 (Nokia E72? I did not buy it from Nokia, so my mobile vendor want to rip me for it) | 04:27 |
| timeless_mbp | is that like an MS Masseuse? | 04:28 |
| kevloral | odin_: http://europe.nokia.com/support/download-software/windows-live | 04:29 |
| timeless_mbp | http://symbianv3.com/new-windows-live-messenger-perfect/ | 04:29 |
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| odin_ | thanks, kevloral that link I already looked at, does not provide a SIS but forces me back to Vodafone's (my MNO) pay-per-month version of the same thing | 04:34 |
| odin_ | timeless_mbp, this one has a ZIP with signed SIS, but phone doesn't have cert installed and it seems it wont let me override it (it just aborts) | 04:35 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: some phones have a way to disable the cert requirement | 04:36 |
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| odin_ | that is already in effect on my phone (but the installation of the dep.sisx doen't even let you examine cert, it just rejects installation, maybe it a DRM mechanism) | 04:37 |
| odin_ | it rejects it on the basis I do not have the/a/some cert installed (presumably the signer), other unsigned or signed but I don't have the CA apps, offer me basic info and the ability to view the cert | 04:38 |
| odin_ | ah well I guess no MSN for holidays then | 04:39 |
| jebba | evopedia--offline version of wikipedia is working :))))) | 04:39 |
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| jebba | though database appears to have quite a few errors. hmm. | 04:40 |
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| odin_ | how big is the db ? | 04:42 |
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| jebba | like lots of articles are prefaced with places like Larrún (Cortázar article) or Tampico etc. (e.g. articles about Linux talk about cities in mexico). But if you scroll down far enough, the correct article is there. | 04:42 |
| jebba | I have the spanish one which is 2G | 04:43 |
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| odin_ | yes this N900 WLAN problem, needs a reboot to fix... does the kernel properly Opps into dmesg ? | 04:43 |
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| Arkenoi | could anyone please check if n900 recorder is working properly? just left it running for, say, 10 minutes.. i wonder if i am the only one who experience the bug and trying to guess what may trigger it.. | 04:44 |
| Arkenoi | s/left/leave/ | 04:44 |
| infobot | Arkenoi meant: could anyone please check if n900 recorder is working properly? just leave it running for, say, 10 minutes.. i wonder if i am the only one who experience the bug and trying to guess what may trigger it.. | 04:44 |
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| jebba | Arkenoi: i'm trying now | 04:48 |
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| jebba | Arkenoi: i appear to have 2 apps: maemo-recorder (0.3.0) and recorder (0.3.2) | 04:49 |
| jebba | ah, maemo-recorder looks like old cruft. removing | 04:50 |
| timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: you need to make recorder conflict with maemo-recorder | 04:51 |
| Arkenoi | jebba: actually both are crashing for me, but old one seems to stay longer ;-) | 04:51 |
| jebba | well, i have 3 min with 0.3.2 | 04:51 |
| Arkenoi | timeless_mbp, nope, i removed another one while trying any of two | 04:51 |
| jebba | I dont even see a binary to run in maemo-recorder | 04:51 |
| Arkenoi | maemo_recorder for both | 04:51 |
| jebba | what's the path? dpkg -L maemo-recorder doesn't show any executable AFAICT | 04:52 |
| Arkenoi | no doubt there will be conflict if you keep both | 04:52 |
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| Arkenoi | hmm | 04:52 |
| Arkenoi | i'll have a look now | 04:52 |
| jebba | maemo-recorder just looks like a pile of directories and is broken basically. | 04:53 |
| jebba | mis-packaged | 04:53 |
| Arkenoi | jebba: well, i tried removing it before installing recorder and the later still crashed after that | 04:54 |
| jebba | well at 6 min here no probs | 04:54 |
| jebba | WAV, 1ch, 16kHz, 16bits | 04:54 |
| Arkenoi | cound it be that some remains of maemo-recorder weren't deleted properly and caused recorder to malfunction? | 04:55 |
| jebba | dont see a way to actually set any levels or anything | 04:55 |
| jebba | try dpkg -P maemo-recorder | 04:55 |
| jebba | but i doubt it | 04:55 |
| jebba | run (& install) htop and see if anything else is pegging cpu or something | 04:55 |
| jebba | (or just plain top i suppose) | 04:56 |
| Arkenoi | quite stange but before i installed "recorder" the same binary name (maemo_recorder) used to run old recorder despite the fact it was not listed in the package | 04:58 |
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| jebba | i just passed 10 min no probs, stopping Arkenoi | 04:58 |
| jebba | playback is fine | 04:58 |
| Arkenoi | hmm | 04:58 |
| Arkenoi | done dpkg -P, will see if anything changes | 04:59 |
| jebba | did you launch it from command line or from icon? try blowing both of them out and install just recorder. | 04:59 |
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| Arkenoi | btw we were wrong, there _is_ /usr/bin/maemo_recorder in maemo-recorder package | 05:00 |
| Arkenoi | i just overlooked that | 05:00 |
| Arkenoi | jebba: both. that's what i am trying now. | 05:00 |
| jebba | Hmm. build server hasn't advanced for at least 2 hours. looks very wedged. doh. | 05:01 |
| jebba | Arkenoi: not in the version i have dpkg -L maemo-recorder doesn't have anything in bin | 05:02 |
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| jebba | dpkg wouldnt let two packages install to the same file either, if i understand it correctly | 05:02 |
| jebba | (rpm wouldnt at least) | 05:02 |
| Arkenoi | jebba: mine was 2.3.0 as well, from the repo | 05:03 |
| Arkenoi | running recorder for 2:30 min so far, still no crash | 05:03 |
| jebba | and you see something in /usr/bin when you dpkg -L it ??? | 05:03 |
| Arkenoi | yep | 05:03 |
| stevenhong | ask a question? how to do the hibernate in the maemo? | 05:04 |
| jebba | I had version 3.0 of maemo-recorder | 05:04 |
| Arkenoi | b00m | 05:05 |
| Arkenoi | crash :-( | 05:05 |
| jebba | Arkenoi: http://pastebin.ca/1720957 | 05:05 |
| jebba | stevenhong: i dont know of a hibernate mode in maemo/n900 fwiw | 05:05 |
| jebba | strace it | 05:06 |
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| stevenhong | my machine is n810 | 05:06 |
| jebba | actually make that 3.5 hours apparently (or more) for build box stoppage :( | 05:06 |
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| stevenhong | another question? have any sources like ubuntu, can add to the sources.list? | 05:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | jz | 05:10 |
| timeless_mbp | use .d/ | 05:10 |
| GAN900 | stevenhong, hibernation serves little purpose. | 05:11 |
| Arkenoi | jebba: http://pastebin.ca/1720962 8-) | 05:11 |
| GAN900 | Maemo is loosely based on Debian | 05:11 |
| stevenhong | just for curious | 05:12 |
| Arkenoi | (i installed recorder via gui after dpkg -P maemo-recorder and before dpkg -L recorder) | 05:12 |
| GAN900 | You can often recompile Debian source packages with some success but binaries aren't useful. | 05:12 |
| jebba | heh weird, Arkenoi... | 05:13 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 05:13 | |
| timeless_mbp | this guy in a movie i'm watching just mentioned building a Chinese Junk | 05:13 |
| jebba | Arkenoi: i would guess that having both installing to that spot may cause the problem. I'd purge them both, then install only recorder and try. | 05:13 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: you dont have access to build server by any chance do you? | 05:14 |
| timeless_mbp | nope :) | 05:14 |
| jebba | anyone else we can bug? ;) | 05:14 |
| Arkenoi | jebba, that's what i have done as you see | 05:14 |
| jebba | i'm guessing just killing off whatever is hanging there will let things move on. | 05:14 |
| Arkenoi | and it did not help :-( | 05:14 |
| jebba | Arkenoi: where do i see that? | 05:15 |
| jebba | anyway. | 05:15 |
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| Arkenoi | well, i removed recorder before that but did not purge with -P. will try now, though i doubt it helps :-( | 05:17 |
| pupnik_ | RST38h: serializing states of mind is like piping a painting through morse code | 05:19 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | jet-lag SUCKS | 05:21 |
| Arkenoi | hehe. ran until 2:20, then stopped eating up cpu | 05:22 |
| Arkenoi | not responding to anything | 05:22 |
| stevenhong | someone knows the GUI software can view the file system in n810? | 05:22 |
| Arkenoi | run again == immediate crash | 05:22 |
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| swc|666 | jebba.. w00t, think i got your modules to load :p | 05:28 |
| jebba | cool :) | 05:29 |
| jebba | not the NAT ones though, did you? | 05:29 |
| jebba | swc|666 | 05:29 |
| swc|666 | working on it .. they should work | 05:30 |
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| swc|666 | jebba, where is dmesg's log file @ .. i need to tail it to finsih this on the n900 | 05:31 |
| odin_ | is there a way to make the microSD card the visible card via USB in Mass Storage Mode ? | 05:31 |
| swc|666 | odin_, mount it? | 05:32 |
| crashanddie_mbp | swc|666: there is no dmesg log file | 05:32 |
| swc|666 | dont knwo it that works | 05:32 |
| swc|666 | crashanddie_mbp, k.. i figured as mich - no worries | 05:32 |
| odin_ | swc|666, well attach it | 05:32 |
| crashanddie_mbp | swc|666: still, you can always dmesg | grep | 05:32 |
| crashanddie_mbp | err | 05:32 |
| crashanddie_mbp | dmesg | tail | 05:33 |
| swc|666 | yepyep | 05:33 |
| swc|666 | tee even | 05:33 |
| derf | odin_: What's CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN in your kernel config? | 05:34 |
| odin_ | copying stuff to eMMC to then move to microSD is a pain | 05:34 |
| crashanddie_mbp | odin_: you mean you don't see the microSD via USB? | 05:34 |
| odin_ | my linux workstation with host-mode-usb kernel ? (i.e. not my N900 kernel) | 05:34 |
| derf | odin_: Yes. | 05:34 |
| odin_ | CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y (I have SCSI controller in workstation), but its an older linux install | 05:35 |
| derf | Well, that exhausts my knowledge. | 05:36 |
| jebba | swc|666: if you figure out the NAT thing, definitely post to this thread how youdid it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30916 | 05:36 |
| derf | You could always mount via sshfs. | 05:36 |
| swc|666 | yep .. | 05:36 |
| odin_ | you are right there is a SCSI address "scsi 10:0:0:0: Direct-Access Nokia N900 031 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2" and also "scsi 10:0:0:1: Direct-Access Nokia N900 031 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2" | 05:37 |
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| Arkenoi | http://gizmodo.com/5427058/apple-gestapo-how-apple-hunts-down-leaks wow, apple is practicing anal slavery among its employees.. no surprise, actually | 05:38 |
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| swc|666 | jebba, do u have the newly compile ip_tables.ko ? i dont see it on http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/2.6.28-omap1/ | 05:39 |
| swc|666 | ah nm | 05:39 |
| swc|666 | :p | 05:39 |
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| odin_ | I guess somethig in my kernel of usb-storage is broken (it is an old install, FC4 !) FC12 doesn't work for me just yet | 05:43 |
| odin_ | heh unplug and replug and retry did it... | 05:44 |
| odin_ | no I lie, it just added it again as /dev/sdd (the next in sequence) | 05:44 |
| odin_ | maybe I need some kind of flip LUNs or include/exclude control to work around a broken host | 05:45 |
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| odin_ | in "PC Suite Mode" is looks like: usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.7-6, CDC Ethernet Device, 9a:8b:bc:84:ee:ac | 05:46 |
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| odin_ | can I transfer files over IP ? | 05:47 |
| luke-jr_ | scp... | 05:47 |
| odin_ | you mean via WLAN ? or cable ? | 05:47 |
| luke-jr_ | who cares? same thing | 05:47 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | Can the n900 be used as a wifi acess point? | 05:48 |
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| luke-jr_ | I would imagine so | 05:48 |
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| jebba | FC4, yikes | 05:50 |
| jebba | dmj726_n9001: see: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30916 | 05:50 |
| odin_ | indeed (64bit FC4 at that) | 05:50 |
| jebba | woo hoo. I set up a SIP client and can call s@localhost with asterisk :) this fkn rules :) | 05:55 |
| jebba | PBXing with the N900 :) | 05:55 |
| jebba | man this is ridiculous though. Asterisk uses 5%, which is reasonable, but pulseaudio uses 33%.... wtf. | 05:56 |
| luke-jr_ | jebba: rules how? | 05:56 |
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| luke-jr_ | of course it's *possible*, the reason it's not done is *why* | 05:56 |
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| swc|666 | damnit, one or more of these modules makes it reboot | 06:00 |
| luke-jr_ | XD | 06:02 |
| jebba | swc|666: did you get nat module to even load? | 06:02 |
| swc|666 | i cam close | 06:03 |
| swc|666 | came* | 06:03 |
| jebba | heh | 06:03 |
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| swc|666 | i got a lot of the xt_*'s to load | 06:03 |
| swc|666 | some of the ipt_*'s as well | 06:04 |
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| swc|666 | it doesnt like the ip_tables.ko module tho | 06:04 |
| swc|666 | = !important | 06:04 |
| swc|666 | :/ | 06:04 |
| jebba | ok, well good luck. I'm outta here for the night. I got my asterisk package all queued up and ready to go as soon as build box comes back online. Bummed i didnt get it out, but at least it WORKSFORME ;) same story with burgerspace. Oh well. have fun. :) | 06:04 |
| swc|666 | actually... | 06:04 |
| swc|666 | do this real quick | 06:04 |
| jebba | hwat | 06:04 |
| jebba | what | 06:04 |
| swc|666 | i dont think the ip_tables.ko on the site is the smae as the others that were built | 06:05 |
| swc|666 | can yu send me the one u built or uplaod it somewhere? | 06:05 |
| swc|666 | upload* | 06:05 |
| swc|666 | actually i could try mine too if its an inconvenience | 06:06 |
| jebba | /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/ip_tables.ko comes by default with stock kernel | 06:06 |
| swc|666 | right, but i think there are extra symbols needed in the new one | 06:06 |
| jebba | swc|666: but i have one I built here too: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/2.6.28-omap1/ip_tables.ko | 06:06 |
| swc|666 | ok | 06:07 |
| swc|666 | thx .. i'll keep trying | 06:07 |
| jebba | later ! :) | 06:07 |
| swc|666 | cya! | 06:08 |
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| swc|666 | weird :/ | 06:27 |
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| dmj726_n900 | I'm having a hard time installing otr for pidgin. Can somebody help me find it? | 07:31 |
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| oscillik | is anyone else having a problem accessing the extras-testing repo? | 08:23 |
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| sivang | morning all | 08:37 |
| oscillik | hello | 08:37 |
| sivang | garage is kind'of slow today | 08:37 |
| sivang | hey oscillik | 08:37 |
| oscillik | have you had any trouble accessing the extras-testing repo? i've been unable to access it all night | 08:37 |
| sivang | I'll try, what's on it? | 08:38 |
| sivang | oscillik: could you send me a link to how to set it up into the maemo desktop ? | 08:38 |
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| * sivang prefers that than dogin direct to scratchbox for the sake for thorough testing. | 08:38 | |
| sivang | oscillik: ^ | 08:38 |
| oscillik | erm, i can't remember the site that i used for instructions....lemme see if i can find them again | 08:39 |
| * sivang fires scratchbox and the Maemo | 08:39 | |
| oscillik | Application manager --> Application catalogs --> New | 08:40 |
| oscillik | Catalog name: maemo.org extras-testing | 08:40 |
| oscillik | Web address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing | 08:40 |
| oscillik | Distribution: fremantle | 08:40 |
| oscillik | Components: free non-free | 08:40 |
| oscillik | there's the instructions :) | 08:40 |
| sivang | cool, thanks | 08:40 |
| * sivang adds | 08:40 | |
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| sivang | oscillik: there's that minor image corruption when updating, I should report that. | 08:45 |
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| oscillik | sivang: i can't get it to refresh at all, keeps coming up with "Application list partially refreshed. Some catalogs unavailable. Check catalogue details" | 08:46 |
| oscillik | and then when i press Details, it is the extras-testing repo that it's not connecting to, giving a 404 not found | 08:47 |
| sivang | oscillik: have you tried to connect to it using plain http / ftp from the terminal ? using wget for example ? | 08:48 |
| sivang | It seems I can't update openssh server for some odd reason, are they on the same repo? | 08:48 |
| oscillik | i believe so | 08:48 |
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| sivang | hmm, I removed the extras and still no go, oddly enough it reports the update is being of 0kb | 08:49 |
| * sivang is confused | 08:49 | |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: ^^ around ? | 08:49 |
| oscillik | yeah i'm confused too, because when i use my EeePC to go to the same directory, i can see everything | 08:50 |
| oscillik | and when i run a tracert on repository.maemo.org i get a different IP address than what my N900 is reporting | 08:50 |
| sivang | we have to run the update manager or app manager in debug mode, let me see if I can find the flag | 08:50 |
| sivang | oscillik: maybe something is scrwed ith your resolving? see if the resolve.conf has the same NSs as your host OS does | 08:51 |
| sivang | I've had a similar problem with network manager screwing my NSs | 08:51 |
| oscillik | NSs? | 08:51 |
| sivang | name servers. | 08:52 |
| sivang | so the name servers in /etc/resolv.conf in the scratchbox did not reflect the true ones in the hos OS | 08:52 |
| sivang | host OS | 08:53 |
| sivang | barr, it's hard to type with frozen fingers. | 08:53 |
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| oscillik | how can i get that fixed? | 08:53 |
| oscillik | :-s | 08:53 |
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| sivang | oscillik: make sure that the same values for resolve.conf in your scratchbox appear in the host OS resolve.conf | 09:02 |
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| sivang | oscillik: okay, I'm getting the same rror | 09:13 |
| sivang | oscillik: same thing exactly. | 09:13 |
| * sivang debugs | 09:13 | |
| oscillik | the ip address it gives me is.... | 09:13 |
| * oscillik checks it again | 09:13 | |
| oscillik | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/freemantle/free/binary-armel/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 84.53.132.32 80] | 09:15 |
| oscillik | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/freemantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 84.53.132.32 80] | 09:15 |
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| swc|666 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/fremantle/free/\ | 09:16 |
| swc|666 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/fremantle/free/ | 09:16 |
| swc|666 | ++ | 09:16 |
| swc|666 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages | 09:17 |
| swc|666 | freemantle != fremantle | 09:17 |
| sivang | right | 09:17 |
| swc|666 | oscillik, ^ | 09:17 |
| sivang | so there was a typo, it works here now | 09:17 |
| sivang | oscillik: ^^^ | 09:17 |
| swc|666 | LoL | 09:17 |
| oscillik | ahhhhh | 09:17 |
| oscillik | picard | 09:18 |
| oscillik | where are you | 09:18 |
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| * sivang should get some coffee for the morning | 09:19 | |
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| oscillik | am i the only one who thinks having conky on an n900 is gonna waste battery life? | 09:20 |
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| swc|666 | oscillik, +1 for me | 09:20 |
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| swc|666 | oscillik, the battery already sucks | 09:21 |
| oscillik | swc|666: at least it's not an ADP1 | 09:21 |
| oscillik | ;) | 09:21 |
| swc|666 | althoug, in the ~28 hrs i've had it, i dont think its left my usb data cable fro more than ~5 hrs 9when i slept) :p | 09:21 |
| swc|666 | s/athoug/although/ | 09:22 |
| oscillik | hah | 09:22 |
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| oscillik | yeah i've not really let mine charge for a very long time, i got mine today after taking a trip to Manchester | 09:22 |
| oscillik | i got sick of expansys | 09:22 |
| swc|666 | expan$y$$$$$ | 09:23 |
| swc|666 | expensive | 09:23 |
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| swc|666 | yet i can't talk .. i overpaid for my n900 | 09:23 |
| oscillik | lol, i preordered last tuesday and the price was £499.99, then on Thursday the price went up to £504.99 | 09:23 |
| slonopotamus | morning | 09:23 |
| * swc|666 paid $810 | 09:24 | |
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| ShadowJK | what :) | 09:24 |
| oscillik | i paid £499.99 at the Nokia store in Manchester. i'm glad i did cancel the expansys order, as they've pushed the stock back by another 4 or 5 days again | 09:25 |
| * arachnist paid 2475pln which equals, roughly, 850 usd | 09:25 | |
| oscillik | i do have a slight dead pixel though :( luckily it's in the app-switcher area, so it's not that noticable | 09:26 |
| sivang | is there a list somewhere of all the available software sources that one can use on maemo ? | 09:27 |
| sivang | (So far I found only Extras which is an additional to the stock preset ones coming from the installer) | 09:27 |
| oscillik | oh, something i've been meaning to ask....does anyone know where to get hold of the maemo theme that is shown in the official Nokia videos? you know, with the angular polygons | 09:28 |
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| oscillik | :-o | 09:29 |
| oscillik | VNC server | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sivang: check wiki | 09:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | sivang: afaict ham caches stuff in ~/MyDocs/.apt-cache or something | 09:30 |
| timeless_mbp | and uses it a bit too eagerly | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sivang: http://wiki.maemo.org/Downloading_apps | 09:35 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer51: k, thanks, so there's just ovi / extras and "commercial apps" which seems to be hidden somewhere | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sivang: and mainpage topics under "beginners" and "power users" | 09:36 |
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| sivang | this is nice, I thought of developing an app like that but figured havng the GPS reciever working throughout a trip would kill the battery | 09:38 |
| sivang | http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/ecoach/ | 09:38 |
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| sivang | It was more of an organizing assitant, so to remind you where you've been today if you loose something and want to backtrack to find it. | 09:39 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: eheh | 09:39 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: let me check that | 09:39 |
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| sivang | OVI is configuerd as a regular apt source? | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ovi store for maemo is vaporware afaik | 09:41 |
| sivang | okay then. | 09:44 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer51: thanks dude. | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sivang: I know of extras, extras-testing, extras-devel, and tools. you'll find all of them in wiki | 09:46 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer51: k thanks, when an installation attempt fails, how I can debug what happend in apt to see where the problem lays ? | 09:47 |
| sivang | (irssi failed to install) | 09:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea | 09:47 |
| timeless_mbp | the title menu has a log item] | 09:48 |
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| sivang | timeless_mbp: right, but I want to run the app manager in debug mode altogether | 09:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | did you read the log? | 09:50 |
| timeless_mbp | red pill mode is the only way to tweak ham | 09:51 |
| sivang | what do you mean red pill mode? :) | 09:52 |
| timeless_mbp | ~red pill | 09:53 |
| timeless_mbp | oh well, ask google | 09:53 |
| sivang | right, so you can't see beyond the matrix :) | 09:53 |
| sivang | I Know, just didn't know that's the only way, surely I can rebuild ham with DEBUG=1 or something ? | 09:54 |
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| Italodance | who's persian here? | 10:06 |
| swc|666 | my rug | 10:06 |
| swc|666 | j/k | 10:06 |
| Italodance | hehe lol | 10:06 |
| swc|666 | :D | 10:07 |
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| sivang | I also want a persian rug! I had one but it was too old :/ | 10:13 |
| sivang | just like the one GNR has in their appetite for descruction album cover | 10:13 |
| Italodance | lol guys | 10:13 |
| Italodance | :D | 10:14 |
| sivang | hey Italodance | 10:14 |
| Italodance | ? | 10:15 |
| sivang | Italodance: was just saying hello :) | 10:18 |
| Italodance | sivang nice to meet you | 10:19 |
| SpeedEvil | sivang: ebay | 10:21 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: right :) | 10:21 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Persian-Rug-bought-in-India-approx-1947_W0QQitemZ290380996143QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Home_Garden_Rugs_SM?hash=item439c0e5e2f | 10:22 |
| SpeedEvil | forex | 10:22 |
| SpeedEvil | got several | 10:22 |
| swc|666 | Italodance, your english is good .. sup? | 10:22 |
| Italodance | swc|666 hehe what's this funny question? | 10:23 |
| arachnist | what's up | 10:23 |
| Italodance | well maybe old guys knew me hee | 10:23 |
| Italodance | here lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | 10:23 |
| swc|666 | Italodance, hehe, nothing .. just that u asked if there werw any persians here, but your english is good, so i thought maybe u have a question in regards to maemo/nokia device | 10:24 |
| Italodance | nono | 10:24 |
| Italodance | 1 persian guy needed me for solve a problem | 10:25 |
| Italodance | i hate forums and just want to help him here | 10:25 |
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| Italodance | plus hate nokia too | 10:26 |
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| sivang | Italodance: you a maemo developer ? | 10:33 |
| sivang | Italodance: how's your wonderful landscapred country this fine morning ?:) | 10:33 |
| Macer | ugh | 10:33 |
| Macer | i have no idea wtf is going on with this pptp in dd-wrt | 10:33 |
| Macer | it's driving me up the wall | 10:34 |
| Macer | i can connect locally but i can't when i'm trying to connect from the outside | 10:34 |
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| sivang | hmm, mediaplayer is playing up :) | 10:35 |
| sivang | and seems the UI doesn't like rapid cliking and switching\ | 10:35 |
| slonopotamus | -_- | 10:37 |
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| PaulFertser | slonopotamus: hey, have you managed to mount initfs? | 10:42 |
| PaulFertser | I see in #mer :) | 10:42 |
| slonopotamus | k | 10:42 |
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| arachnist | hmm | 10:51 |
| arachnist | something's wrong | 10:51 |
| arachnist | i can't connect to my wifi, even though i'm sure my wifi is up and running | 10:51 |
| arachnist | (my laptop's connected over it) | 10:52 |
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| sivang | DarwinSurvivor: you've survived Apple's darwin ? :) | 10:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | The one in australia I'd think | 10:57 |
| sivang | hehe | 10:57 |
| sivang | hmm, mediaplery won't close | 10:58 |
| sivang | is there a "kill app" widget ? | 10:58 |
| SpeedEvil | go to task manager, hit close | 10:58 |
| SpeedEvil | or power button ->; end task | 10:58 |
| DarwinSurvivor | sivang: as in "Darwinian Theory" | 10:58 |
| sivang | DarwinSurvivor: right :) | 10:58 |
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| sivang | SpeedEvil: how do you open the task manager? | 10:59 |
| DarwinSurvivor | never actually used the Apple Darwin | 10:59 |
| DarwinSurvivor | judging by your comment, that's probably a good thing :P | 10:59 |
| sivang | it is :) | 10:59 |
| DarwinSurvivor | lol | 11:00 |
| DarwinSurvivor | sivang: n810 or n900? | 11:00 |
| SpeedEvil | sivang: tap the selector in the top right of the titlebar if it's visible | 11:01 |
| sivang | I'm on the SDK :) | 11:02 |
| DarwinSurvivor | ah | 11:02 |
| sivang | isn't the task amanger available on the SDK ? | 11:02 |
| DarwinSurvivor | i was thinking "wait, my n810 doesn't have a kill option when you hit the power button!" | 11:03 |
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| sivang | :) | 11:04 |
| sivang | so plain o' kill ? | 11:04 |
| sivang | from the terminal ? | 11:04 |
| sivang | HOw am I to create educational videos if I don't have everything on the SDK ?.... | 11:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | The SDK is not an emulator | 11:05 |
| SpeedEvil | it's a SDK | 11:05 |
| ShadowJK | You know, all these questions could be avoided if they left out the xephyr stuff and just gave you the compiler+tools, libs and headers... ;-) | 11:06 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: what's the way to install the emulator ? | 11:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | sivang: there is no emulator | 11:07 |
| sivang | ah :/ | 11:07 |
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| Jaffa | morning, all | 11:09 |
| SpeedEvil | morning. | 11:09 |
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| sivang | so, is osso-xterm THE terminal app for n900 ? | 11:19 |
| sivang | are there any others? is there a nokia recommended / official one ? | 11:19 |
| SpeedEvil | sivang: not currently | 11:21 |
| SpeedEvil | osso-xterm is the only one available on the device as it ships | 11:22 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: okay, and is there a good one to isntall ? I added the -extras and couldn't find any while searching for a teminal program | 11:24 |
| SpeedEvil | as far as I know, there isn't an alternative | 11:25 |
| SpeedEvil | A port of a nice terminal would be good | 11:25 |
| arachnist | rxvt should be available somewhere | 11:25 |
| arachnist | i remember using it on the N800 | 11:25 |
| sivang | okay, I will try fix us something. | 11:26 |
| arachnist | but what's wrong with osso-xterm? | 11:26 |
| SpeedEvil | arachnist: no way to do fullscreen | 11:26 |
| arachnist | no? | 11:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | arachnist: sure the bar with tab/pgup/down is nice - but occasionally I'd like to lose it | 11:26 |
| arachnist | oh | 11:26 |
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| arachnist | well, i prefer to have it | 11:27 |
| * sivang searches for the source package | 11:27 | |
| SpeedEvil | arachnist: have it - but not there all the time - with no choice | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | osso-xterm is openly developed, too | 11:27 |
| SpeedEvil | arachnist: for example - a button on the left of the bar to pop it down, and a slide up from the bottom right corner gesture to pull it back | 11:28 |
| arachnist | hmm | 11:28 |
| arachnist | that'd make two fullscreen modes. confusing for the user | 11:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't bloody care. | 11:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Users that are easily confused shouldn't be using terminals. | 11:29 |
| arachnist | nokia UI designers do care | 11:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Trying to pretend that a shell application can be user friendly is bloody insane. | 11:30 |
| arachnist | with enough alcohol, i would get confused by it too | 11:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is why n920 should have a blood alcohol sensor. | 11:31 |
| SpeedEvil | There are so many good reasons for that. | 11:31 |
| arachnist | (then again, one shouldn't touch his cellphone while drunk. except for calling for a cab) | 11:31 |
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| Vratha | don't worry, if you're drunk, you won't be able to get around the interface | 11:33 |
| Vratha | so there won't be any drunk dialing | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | you'd be surprised how much i was able to use my n8x0 while drunk | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:33 |
| arachnist | Vratha: thing is, i am able to | 11:33 |
| Vratha | i chalk that up to a series of coincident keystrokes that all lead to a phone call | 11:34 |
| Vratha | because the UI isn't the greatest for dialing | 11:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Especial skill if you can dial from the 8x0 :) | 11:34 |
| Vratha | :) | 11:35 |
| Milo- | 8x0 had no physical keyboard? | 11:35 |
| arachnist | Vratha: i once fired-up midpssh, tapped in 14-character password using the number pad on my old SE K800i and rebooted a machine, while drunk | 11:36 |
| arachnist | Milo-: n800 had not. n810 had | 11:36 |
| Milo- | arachnist okay | 11:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | 8x0 had no phone | 11:36 |
| Vratha | arachnist: i had sex while drunk | 11:36 |
| Vratha | i thought that was pretty cool :) | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: no, but i did have irc and tethering | 11:36 |
| arachnist | Vratha: (only to realize that the machine had a screwed-up grub config and didn't get back up) | 11:36 |
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| Vratha | heh | 11:37 |
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| Milo- | I once changed my root's passwd while drunk, from 28 char to 48 | 11:37 |
| Milo- | and for some reason, I had written down the new password on paper :D | 11:37 |
| Vratha | well, while drunk one time, i just went home and fell asleep | 11:38 |
| Milo- | that wasn't for phone. | 11:38 |
| Milo- | Vratha tells the most amazing while drunk stories | 11:38 |
| Milo- | I think he's an absolutist :o | 11:38 |
| Vratha | absolutist? | 11:38 |
| Vratha | i mean, i know what that is | 11:39 |
| Vratha | but i'm not making the connection | 11:39 |
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| RST38h | "Personnel must respect a twenty meter (20 m) safe zone around the currently established Red (No Entry) Zone at all costs. Any individual, civilian or not, who enters the established Red Zone is to be terminated immediately by sniper fire." | 11:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ambiguous | 11:46 |
| SpeedEvil | does not explicitly state groups | 11:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | or large animals | 11:46 |
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| sivang | SpeedEvil++ re usability for a terminal application | 11:49 |
| arachnist | http://qdb.mit.edu/199 | 11:49 |
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| sivang | I got married once when drunk, and ever since trying to devorce :) | 12:00 |
| * sivang listens to Shine On You Crazy Diamon, Pink Floyd | 12:01 | |
| sivang | any bill bailey fans here? | 12:01 |
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| LeoD | that is one awesome song | 12:02 |
| sivang | LeoD: indeed. it makes me cry everytime I hear it. | 12:02 |
| sivang | and think of Sid | 12:03 |
| LeoD | :< | 12:03 |
| sivang | Who dies of that dredful diseas | 12:03 |
| sivang | died | 12:03 |
| sivang | it is actually used for me to reach rock bottom of mood, and then come up from there again, sort'a like watching Requiam For A Dream | 12:04 |
| LeoD | hah | 12:04 |
| crashanddie_mbp | Requiam? | 12:04 |
| sivang | now the drums are kicking in! | 12:04 |
| LeoD | music doesn't affect my mood at all.. listening to this song rather makes me happy because of how awesome it is | 12:04 |
| sivang | crashanddie_mbp: yep. please forgive my non nativeness | 12:04 |
| crashanddie_mbp | I forgive you | 12:04 |
| sivang | LeoD: I've always been an emotional listener | 12:04 |
| LeoD | :) | 12:04 |
| sivang | :) | 12:04 |
| sivang | LeoD: do you play an instru,ent ? | 12:04 |
| sivang | *instrument | 12:05 |
| LeoD | i used to play the trumpet when i was younger | 12:05 |
| LeoD | gave it up because i was too lazy to practice :/ | 12:05 |
| sivang | so you should be able to emote when listening | 12:05 |
| sivang | anyone who plays has to have this ability | 12:05 |
| LeoD | maybe | 12:05 |
| sivang | or else he wouldn't be able to put soul in the music | 12:05 |
| sivang | try to feel the guitar's cry if you listen to this song next time | 12:05 |
| LeoD | yeah i know what you mean | 12:05 |
| sivang | and the change of the chords as their express dispair | 12:05 |
| sivang | (moving from major and minor scales, interchangeably) | 12:06 |
| LeoD | will do | 12:06 |
| sivang | we need to get some cool apps for musician on the maemo :) | 12:06 |
| LeoD | yeah | 12:06 |
| sivang | and no, not meaning just a tuner app! :-p | 12:06 |
| LeoD | :P | 12:06 |
| sivang | crashanddie_mbp: I'm ssh'd to my server , and the latency is a bit bigger right now | 12:07 |
| sivang | crashanddie_mbp: that's why so many typos | 12:07 |
| * sivang waits for 9.10 for finish its update | 12:07 | |
| crashanddie_mbp | sivang: congrats for the geekness, demote for the fact you couldn't drop the subject at the right time | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | > Metro will be operating on its normal schedule Saturday, from 7 a.m. - 3 a.m. | 12:08 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 12:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | compare that w/ Helsinki's Metro which stops @something like 10 or 11pm | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | which is very annoying | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | came with plane and assumed i could use metro.. no no | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:09 |
| sivang | oh, that's almost as bad as in Israel | 12:09 |
| sivang | although we have one train that goes at 2:30am for those who come late through the airport | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: is the central metro station still fubar? | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | they plan to be open in feb or apr or something | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i should post more photos | 12:10 |
| sivang | crashanddie_mbp: which subject should I have dropped at the right time? | 12:10 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: you should :) | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: have you seen the ones i have posted? :) | 12:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | "Drivers are advised not to <> unless vital" | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | vital? what kind of stupid ... .... .... BBC | 12:11 |
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| sivang | timeless_mbp: I have :) | 12:12 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: nice | 12:12 |
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| sivang | crashanddie_mbp: ah, the fact that I remnetioned my typos :) | 12:13 |
| sivang | crashanddie_mbp: sorry about that, I'm a bit of a late catcher | 12:13 |
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| sivang | so, what's up with the af-... not starting after one start ? | 12:13 |
| sivang | through the scratchbox , that is | 12:13 |
| LeoD | gah, i want a n900 so i can do ssh+screen+irssi too :P | 12:14 |
| * sivang searches for the dbus killing in the xephyr_start.sh script | 12:14 | |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: actually, i've got something you might be able to help me w/ :) | 12:14 |
| sivang | LeoD: yeha, that's cool, I've done that with the forums people were here in Tel Aviv, we even got on video doing that but the local representative still hasn't put the videos online | 12:14 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: shoot! | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | it's unfinished, and i haven't looked in a couple of months | 12:15 |
| LeoD | sivang: nice :> | 12:15 |
| LeoD | though how do you manage to press alt? :P | 12:15 |
| sivang | I wish NOkia had chosen a more professional local representative, or would have started a branch here. | 12:15 |
| sivang | LeoD: there was an odd key comb that I forgot, using ESC in the terminal | 12:15 |
| LeoD | i see | 12:16 |
| sivang | so like readline ESC sequences | 12:16 |
| * sivang tries to look for that. | 12:16 | |
| sivang | it took us a while to find the right combo | 12:16 |
| LeoD | well i'll be remapping a lot of keys anyway | 12:16 |
| sivang | right, you better do :) | 12:16 |
| LeoD | as i'm from germany :/ | 12:16 |
| sivang | And I thought it was a proper qwerty | 12:16 |
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| LeoD | we don't even get all the arrow keys in germany | 12:16 |
| sivang | oh ? | 12:17 |
| LeoD | yeah, as they need space for the umlauts.. öäüß | 12:17 |
| sivang | ah right | 12:17 |
| sivang | anyon managed to run irssi on the SDK ? | 12:17 |
| sivang | the pakcage seems to be hosed | 12:17 |
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| sivang | LeoD: I'm actually listening to the whole Pulse here, I got the original show case with the two discs and the nice booklet | 12:19 |
| LeoD | wow sweet | 12:19 |
| PaulFertser | sivang: C-[ can be used as Esc. | 12:20 |
| sivang | PaulFertser: k | 12:20 |
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| sivang | LeoD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_(album) | 12:20 |
| LeoD | yeah i know it | 12:21 |
| LeoD | didn't ever listen to it though | 12:21 |
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| wazd_n800 | hello everyone | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 13:01 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, had a rest?) | 13:02 |
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| RST38h | heya wazd | 13:06 |
| RST38h | moo Stskeeps | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: feeling sick like hell :( | 13:06 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, heya | 13:06 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, yeah, that trips are really exhausting | 13:06 |
| thresh | you tell me | 13:09 |
| thresh | i left moscow to have some nice weather at paris | 13:09 |
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| thresh | and it's snowing here. the most powerful snowstorm in last 8 years, they say. | 13:10 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, well, if you'll have something to say bout UI - go on) | 13:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Winter loves to throw out wonderfully paradoxical days | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: blarrrrghhh or something. sec :P | 13:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | The sun is shining, the sky is a clear blue... yet everything is draped in a couple of inches of snow | 13:19 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: interesting first boot wizard | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.erh.noaa.gov/lwx/winter/storm-pr.htm is quite informative | 13:20 |
| * timeless_mbp geopings thresh | 13:21 | |
| siriusnova | so | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: how would icon hot spots be? the gtk menu issue is my primary concern | 13:21 |
| siriusnova | anyone here have an android device? | 13:21 |
| siriusnova | as wel? | 13:21 |
| siriusnova | well? | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | siriusnova: each model is different | 13:21 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yes | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i've used the g1 and the hero (?) | 13:21 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | siriusnova: I've got the Droid on me at the moment | 13:21 |
| siriusnova | oh good | 13:21 |
| siriusnova | i just acquired a used HTC Hero for like $50 from a seller who didnt know what it was | 13:22 |
| siriusnova | :D | 13:22 |
| siriusnova | what can i do with this thing | 13:22 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | nice! | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | siriusnova: or it was stolen, one of those :P | 13:22 |
| siriusnova | no | 13:22 |
| siriusnova | i dunno | 13:22 |
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| siriusnova | lol | 13:22 |
| siriusnova | it was from a used tech shop | 13:22 |
| siriusnova | he had it sitting here | 13:22 |
| timeless_mbp | probably | 13:22 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Everyone seems to like the Hero, I guess it deserves a little recognition for being one of the first | 13:22 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, they have fine sizes now | 13:22 |
| siriusnova | but anyway so what can i do with this thing | 13:22 |
| siriusnova | custom firmware or whatever | 13:22 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, no enlarged hotspots needed | 13:22 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | siriusnova: grab a MotoBLUR enabled firmware for the shinies | 13:23 |
| siriusnova | do i have to get this phone "unlocked" or "jailbroken" like in iphones? | 13:23 |
| siriusnova | im totally new to android | 13:23 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | unlocked is a concept that applies to all phones that are network locked | 13:24 |
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| siriusnova | well its unlocked | 13:24 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I suggest you partake liberally of xda-developers.com | 13:24 |
| siriusnova | then jailbroken | 13:24 |
| siriusnova | herm | 13:24 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And Android doesn't need jailbreaking, you've got some pretty solid emulators already available on the store and who could want for more! | 13:25 |
| SplasPood | Anyone know what's up with ruby gtk2 support on the N900 (aka on fremantle) | 13:25 |
| siriusnova | what about "rooting" | 13:25 |
| siriusnova | im reading on xda-developers about rooting | 13:25 |
| siriusnova | what does it do | 13:25 |
| timeless_mbp | siriusnova: so, this is #maemo | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | #android is somewhere else | 13:26 |
| siriusnova | i have an N900 too | 13:26 |
| siriusnova | :P | 13:26 |
| siriusnova | thats why im here | 13:26 |
| siriusnova | hehe | 13:26 |
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| Poser | hey guys whats the latest news on portrait mode for the N900? | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, and if you ask a question about it, you'll get an answer | 13:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | Poser: browser portrait mode will be a hidden feature in the first service release | 13:26 |
| siriusnova | well i was talking to Gadgetoid_mbp since he had the phone | 13:26 |
| siriusnova | :p | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and hopefully enabled in the second | 13:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | http://theunlockr.com/2009/08/27/how-to-root-your-htc-hero-in-one-click/ | 13:27 |
| Poser | hidden? damn | 13:27 |
| siriusnova | nice thanks Gadgetoid_mbp | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Poser: ctrl-shift-o, once per session | 13:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm in #android, too, siriusnova | 13:27 |
| siriusnova | oh LOL | 13:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm open minded... biphonual | 13:27 |
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| siriusnova | me too | 13:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Not that I actually own an android phone | 13:27 |
| Poser | cant be that hard to enable portrait mode across the board considering it almost worked due to a glitch | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Poser: um | 13:28 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Android hasn't convinced me to pay money for it yet, although I'd take a free Droid if someone were tossing them from the back of a lorry | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a difference between enabling something | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and getting it shiny | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia for unknown reasons wants things to work right | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | it's ok for there to be hidden unpolished features | 13:28 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | hear hear to that timeless_mbp! | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | but it isn't really ok for things to look bad out of the box | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | getting portrait mode right for the browser is more than rendering a web page in portrait | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | we had that months ago | 13:29 |
| * RST38h quietly reminds of Modest. | 13:29 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Unfortunately, as a web programmer, I'm usually driven towards the "enabling" side of things until the very last minute | 13:29 |
| Poser | not being able to use the device 1 handed is way worse | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | mostly it's getting all of the dialogs to do something non sucky | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | for the first service release, we've mostly disabled the dialogs | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | some dialogs will appear in portrait | 13:30 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | In fact, I "enabled" my way through an enterprise reporting platform based upon OLAP... the result was like a house of cards that someone had lit on fire.. in an earthquake.. during a rainstorm | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | and some will force a rotation | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | Gadgetoid_mbp: fun | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | our general approach is to do the main stuff | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | then be ordered to try really hard for the next candy | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | then we show we're almost done | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | management panics and says 'no' | 13:30 |
| Poser | are you a nokia employee/contractor timeless? | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | and by the time they say 'no', we've basically gotten it working | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | but their no stands | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | Poser: i am | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | and i have a profile on maemo.org | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | like all good community members | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | so you could read it instead of asking here | 13:31 |
| Poser | good to hear that you are working on it | 13:31 |
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| * timeless_mbp goes to read spam | 13:31 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | timeless_mbp: I'd love management to say no once in a while... in my last position it was usually "yes yes yes, and can we have it yesterday?" | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 13:31 |
| killefiz | is the service release still planned for 2009? | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | killefiz: it's still planned to be a surprise | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | we don't want management to leak the date | 13:32 |
| wazd_n800 | oooh, here we go | 13:32 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Fortunately now i'm pretty much lord of my own schedule | 13:32 |
| * killefiz doesn't like surprises ... ;) | 13:32 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Christmas day, killefiz | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | killefiz: management doesn't like disappointing people or missing deadlines | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i wouldn't gamble on it | 13:32 |
| wazd_n800 | timeless_mbp, when will Jesus come for the second time?? | 13:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | wazd_n800: he's some dead carpenter, right? | 13:33 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | They'll release a buggy service release via timed release on Christmas day, and nobody will be able to get support for bricked phones until the new year | 13:33 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles @support | 13:33 | |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Oh wait... Nokia != Microsoft... sorry | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | someday in the future, ask me to tell a story about support | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | (give it at least a year before you ask) | 13:33 |
| wazd_n800 | yyeeah, microsoft) | 13:33 |
| wazd_n800 | windows sucks! | 13:33 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | timeless_mbp: rest assured I will, I've never had to encounter Nokia from a support perspective nor do I ever wish to... if my N900 packs in, it's my problem for haxxoring it | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | Gadgetoid_mbp: actually, all things considered | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd much prefer you pretend to be a normal customer | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | call support, treat them the way you'd normally treat support as an end user | 13:34 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Actually, that might make for a good article | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | don't try to outsmart them | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | be just as patient as you normally would | 13:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | Care is a very important metric | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | so i don't want people to bypass it | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | it hurts management's ability to gather comparative data | 13:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm doing a comparative review of the Droid/N900 at the moment... maybe I should try and get support on both | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | that could be fun | 13:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | The trouble with the Droid... is Android | 13:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Nokia, at the moment, are a bit like Apple. If something goes wrong with the hardware or the software then they'd better god damned know how to fix it, or they're taking the piss | 13:37 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Motorola can go: DUUHHHRRR We didnt rite android.... errrr... hav u turned it off and on again? | 13:37 |
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| mavhc | they can do, but then they won't sell any phones | 13:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Tell that to Dell | 13:41 |
| timeless_mbp | dell is telling you to talk to moto? | 13:41 |
| timeless_mbp | that seems wrong | 13:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hahaha | 13:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Dell told me to seek Christ and, in him, find the answer | 13:42 |
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| ShadowJK | did that help? | 14:03 |
| jebba900 | hmm. Build box hasnt made anything since 21:21 UTC yesterday. | 14:05 |
| ShadowJK | it dies every weekend.. | 14:05 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Wow, there's no saving Motorola Droid fanbois | 14:06 |
| ShadowJK | well, something dies every weekend | 14:06 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I just want to facepalm for the next ten minutes | 14:06 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | I don't understand why people buy the Droid for snapdragon | 14:08 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Give it two months, and a beautiful, gorgeous, awe inspiring snapdragon powered phone will come out | 14:08 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And lo, all will be merry | 14:08 |
| jebba900 | ShadowJK, i bet its just wedged on some hung process that a simple kill would resolve. The problem is finding that person.... | 14:08 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect they only show up on monday, and go sleep when the basementgeeks wake up | 14:09 |
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| jebba900 | which sucks because should be 24/7/365 operation that pages them on outage.... | 14:10 |
| Arkenoi | Gadgetoid, it has qwerty and big screen | 14:10 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Arkenoi: the keyboard is diabolically awful | 14:11 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I mean... it's HORRIFIC, painful, insulting... | 14:11 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Motorola made the freaking DEXT for crying out loud, which has one of the best keyboards I've used since the Psion5 | 14:11 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And then they throw that away to fart out the goddamn steamrolled ZX Spectrum abortion that is the Droid's keyboard | 14:11 |
| ShadowJK | snapdragon is described as "A8-like", I'd like to see a more indepth comparison | 14:12 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | ShadowJK: So would I | 14:12 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | It was many years ago that the megahertz myth was dispelled | 14:12 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And yet now we're fighting for Gigahertz in the mobile arena again!? | 14:12 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yay, geeks, you've come full circle from going "my 1ghz is better than your 800mhz, to my 800mhz is better than your 1ghz, to my 1ghz is better than your 800mhz" | 14:13 |
| ShadowJK | I should benchmark my sheevaplug's 1.2GHz vs N900's 600 :) | 14:13 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I should benchmark my lowly 2.8Ghz Core i7 versus a beastly powerful clearly much faster 3.2ghz netburst Pentium 4 | 14:14 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 14:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Fscking megahertz | 14:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Snapdragon feels snappy though, to be fair | 14:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Anyhow, got to dash, time for a pub lunch | 14:15 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | if we can get to a pub in this weather | 14:15 |
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| lcuk | bah, my 7mhz amiga felt as slick as these computers with orders of magnitude moar horsepower. | 14:15 |
| ShadowJK | liqbase on omap2 feels snappy | 14:15 |
| ShadowJK | that too :) | 14:15 |
| * ShadowJK had amiga too :D | 14:16 | |
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| lcuk | liqbase on omap3 feels better | 14:16 |
| lcuk | i wonder what liqbase on omap4 could do | 14:16 |
| lcuk | i dragged out my 810 yesterday actually | 14:17 |
| Arkenoi | Gadgetoid, at least it has more keys and bigger than n900's :-( | 14:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | those were EE, whole team and dog signed inside of A1000 lid | 14:23 |
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| wazd_n800 | back again | 14:50 |
| Bilby | heyho | 14:51 |
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| jebba | Is there any place where infrastructure outages are to be reported? | 15:08 |
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| lcuk | jebba, what happens if the infrastructure outage reporting system has an outage? | 15:10 |
| bigbrovar | hi guys I find any time try my carrier code for loadning credit and stuff #556* it says invalid number | 15:10 |
| bigbrovar | same code works on every cell phone i have ever used . Am I missing something ? | 15:11 |
| ShadowJK | known bug | 15:13 |
| ShadowJK | I might remember wrong, but I think it's coming in a firmware upgrade | 15:13 |
| jebba | lcuk: well, supposedly there are these people called "system administrators" who carry devices that notify them when their servers go out. Apparently there aren't any of those here. | 15:13 |
| jebba | seriously, how can they not know their servers are down? W.T.F. | 15:14 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: maemork channel on qaiku | 15:14 |
| jebba | oh, obviously. | 15:15 |
| ShadowJK | wtf is qaiku :) | 15:15 |
| ShadowJK | sounds like the kind of name angsty finnish teens would invent ;) | 15:16 |
| Shadikka | naah, it doesn't have the ring | 15:16 |
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| ShadowJK | kaiku = echo, and if you're cool you use q instead of k | 15:17 |
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| jebba | perhaps they should let people know they are using some obscure channel. Why not announce these things like in maemo-devel or something? | 15:18 |
| Shadikka | Very aware of that. But it would probably be more along the lines of "itqaiku" | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | bigbrovar, bug 5357 would be where you need to be looking i believe | 15:19 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# | 15:19 |
| bigbrovar | povbot: thanks .. glad am not the only one affected .. sould have to switch to my e72 when i need to recharge | 15:20 |
| povbot | bigbrovar: Error: "thanks" is not a valid command. | 15:20 |
| bigbrovar | thanks | 15:21 |
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| bigbrovar | lcuk: bet u know that was for u :) | 15:21 |
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| bigbrovar | lcuk: thanks | 15:21 |
| * lcuk has horrid headache today | 15:22 | |
| * RST38h moos at the moon | 15:25 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, moo quieter today | 15:25 |
| Termana | RST38h: Why not moon at the moon? | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: too cold | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: things may fall off. | 15:26 |
| Termana | pen 15? | 15:26 |
| RST38h | <ok, SpeedEvil answered it for me> | 15:26 |
| Termana | :P | 15:26 |
| * lcuk slept in room with heating on and window closed and feels like donkeypoop | 15:27 | |
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| * SpeedEvil slept with no heating on, and feels the same. | 15:29 | |
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| SpeedEvil | ~4C when I woke up. | 15:29 |
| Italodance | . | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | electric blanket ++ | 15:29 |
| lcuk | bleugh SpeedEvil | 15:29 |
| Termana | Its summer time here - really hot every day at the moment. | 15:29 |
| lcuk | i normally sleep iwth no extra warning | 15:30 |
| lcuk | warming | 15:30 |
| lcuk | Termana, thats almost as bad | 15:30 |
| Termana | sleep with no extra warning? Its good that you don't snore :P | 15:30 |
| lcuk | if not worse actually, cos you can always wrapup to get warm | 15:30 |
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| * ShadowJK has a quad core computer running distributed.net | 15:30 | |
| RST38h | heating is easier to do than cooling | 15:30 |
| lcuk | mrs lcuk snores but she tells me she will hit me if i gather evidence | 15:30 |
| Termana | lol | 15:31 |
| RST38h | especially considering that your body is pretty much one big heater | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Gather earplugs. | 15:31 |
| Termana | Either way - really cold or really hot, both suck | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: hey - I'm getting thinner - not so much of the big. | 15:31 |
| lcuk | then i dont hear alarm clock | 15:31 |
| thresh | it isnt really cold now in europe | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | -4C outside | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Really? | 15:31 |
| thresh | 5 days ago it was -25C in Moscow | 15:31 |
| thresh | i would call that cold | 15:32 |
| RST38h | -13C outside, up from -25C | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | 'europe' varies somewhat | 15:32 |
| thresh | -1 here now, so no, Europe is not exactly cold | 15:32 |
| thresh | well, i'm in Paris now | 15:32 |
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| thresh | will check how it's in Moscow in a few hours :) | 15:32 |
| Termana | Its funny. Here in Australia I think its pretty rare to EVER get anything under 5C let alone go into the minuses. | 15:32 |
| frals | only -3 here in stockholm, but we got lots of snow :DD | 15:32 |
| lcuk | is it cold enough to make the eifel tower shrivel up | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | moscow isn't europe | 15:32 |
| ShadowJK | only -10 where I am in finland | 15:32 |
| Shadikka | Some -15 here | 15:33 |
| thresh | SpeedEvil: of course it is, you geographically-challenged person :P | 15:33 |
| ShadowJK | only enough snow to make everything white | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.yr.no/place/Europa/ | 15:33 |
| Termana | We don't get snow here either | 15:33 |
| lcuk | can we ban Termana from the channel on the grounds of smugness? | 15:33 |
| thresh | there is something fundamentally broken if you get no snow in the winter :) | 15:33 |
| Roaziel | Hi guys. I've had some trouble with my N900 and I kinda want to reset it to factory default. I heard that it's relatively easy and quick (is that true). However, since I lack the general knowledge of linux and things like commands and stuff I'm scared I might screw something up, so I'm wondering if anyone has some spare time to help guide me through it? by PM mossibly? | 15:33 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Russia is mentioned at the bottom of that page | 15:33 |
| Termana | Moscow is in Russia thresh.... | 15:34 |
| RST38h | So, yes, Europe. | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | thresh: |Not part of EU | 15:34 |
| thresh | Termana: Yeah, i know. | 15:34 |
| Termana | Russia is in Europe though I guess | 15:34 |
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| thresh | EU is a big joke anyway too:) | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | Roaziel: | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 15:34 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:34 |
| RST38h | Since when has EU become equivalent to Europe though? | 15:34 |
| ShadowJK | roaziel: what kind of trouble? | 15:34 |
| Roaziel | Well for one thing the calendar is broken | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Look at the right-hand edge of russia. | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | That's not in europe | 15:35 |
| Termana | lmao | 15:35 |
| lcuk | Termana where abouts are you | 15:35 |
| thresh | Yeah, that's why they say Russia spans across Europe and Asia. | 15:35 |
| Termana | lcuk - South Australia | 15:35 |
| lcuk | ahhh oz | 15:35 |
| Termana | Land down underrrr yeah | 15:36 |
| lcuk | you up for hosting the next maemo summit @ your house? | 15:36 |
| Termana | lol wut? | 15:36 |
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| Termana | 300 or so people in my house? | 15:36 |
| lcuk | probably more next year | 15:37 |
| lcuk | but, yeah | 15:37 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Do you see Moscow there, at the right hand edge? | 15:37 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Thought so. | 15:37 |
| Termana | umm.... sure... I'll see what I can do | 15:37 |
| * Termana rolls eyes | 15:37 | |
| Termana | :P | 15:37 |
| * RST38h idly considers downloading the whole DrWho season | 15:37 | |
| Termana | Dr Who? | 15:38 |
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| Termana | Hmm... don't look for an LED light when you have your finger over it.... | 15:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe | 15:40 |
| thresh | uhm, yeah? | 15:40 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: And what are you trying to prove with this link again? | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | borders of europe - not including all of russia | 15:41 |
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| RST38h | have you read the text though? | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | moscow is europe like android is linux | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | To RST38h and DocScrutinizer51 | 15:42 |
| thresh | DocScrutinizer51: been there yet? :) | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no :-) | 15:43 |
| * RST38h sighs: so many people have no idea what they are talking about... | 15:43 | |
| Termana | thresh - to android? | 15:43 |
| Termana | :P | 15:43 |
| thresh | Termana: sure, where else?! | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/snowcat.jpg | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually the above was a statement about a common perception of moscow in western EU countries. Not claiming the final truth about any particualr state in moscow itself | 15:45 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Can you set up a key log in for me on stage? | 15:45 |
| jeremiah_ | Ferenc doesn't seem to be around | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Ah here he is | 15:45 |
| jeremiah_ | and I am still getting Permission denied (publickey). | 15:45 |
| jeremiah_ | hi RST38h | 15:45 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Do not go anywhere. | 15:45 |
| thresh | on a side note: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thresh/4199922780/ couple of hours ago on VDD'09 here in Paris :) | 15:45 |
| * RST38h hastily searches for tar and feathers | 15:46 | |
| RST38h | jeremiah: since about thursday, I promoted total of three packages from extras-testing to extras. None of them appeared in extras. Any ideas? | 15:46 |
| Termana | lcuk - Snowcat, snowed in. | 15:47 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: X-Fade wrote that software. | 15:47 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: which brings us to the second issue: I have not been able to contact X-Fade during all that time | 15:47 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Why don't you 1. ask him? 2. File a bug. | 15:47 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: see above | 15:47 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah. | 15:47 |
| lcuk | Termana, indeed, hes an outside cat and wants to be out there to play but has to stay in and be terrorised by the kitten | 15:47 |
| jeremiah_ | Nor I. | 15:47 |
| jeremiah_ | Nor can I contact ferenc | 15:48 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: <facepalm> | 15:48 |
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| jeremiah_ | Maemo (as you well know) is not really an 'open' project. | 15:48 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: it is a large project, financed by a huge international corporation | 15:48 |
| jeremiah_ | It is beholden to Nokia | 15:48 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: does not have to be "open", "large" is enough | 15:48 |
| jeremiah_ | So, when Nokia hides their head in the sand, or does not want help, they piss off. | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :_/ | 15:49 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: how come the whole software promotion mechanism in this project depends on a single person? | 15:49 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: I will try to contact X-Fade | 15:49 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: mind you, this has nothing to do with oss | 15:49 |
| jeremiah_ | Throug the chaneels I have | 15:50 |
| RST38h | thanks | 15:50 |
| rdorsch | Has anybody tried to build navit for Maemo 5? | 15:50 |
| swc|666 | jeremiah_, i guess kernel modules are scracy for .fi dev team, idk | 15:50 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: If it were open, more people would have access to the software on the machines | 15:50 |
| jeremiah_ | So yeah, it makes a difference | 15:51 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: well, Niels isn't the only guy who has access, right? | 15:51 |
| RST38h | jeremiah; so why not designate a backup, like all corporations do? | 15:51 |
| jeremiah_ | To what? | 15:51 |
| jeremiah_ | Access to the builder? | 15:51 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: to repository promotion mechanisms, to the web interface, to the builder | 15:52 |
| jeremiah_ | or some other squirelled away server? | 15:52 |
| jeremiah_ | I have no idea where that code lives, what it does and how to access it. | 15:52 |
| RST38h | As I understand, promotion of a package has nothing to do with the builder | 15:52 |
| jeremiah_ | So as far as practical concerns, only X-Fade has access | 15:52 |
| jeremiah_ | And that is the way he likes it | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | (methodically) | 15:52 |
| jeremiah_ | There is a reason debian uses teams | 15:53 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: At least ask HIM to choose and designate a backup :) | 15:53 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: I think that will be your job. :) | 15:53 |
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| jeremiah_ | Or the coucnil's | 15:53 |
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| swc|666 | s/scacy/scary/ | 15:53 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Well, I can make it very noisy, but is it really necessary to make a scandal out of it? | 15:53 |
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| jeremiah_ | RST38h: I have no idea. | 15:54 |
| jeremiah_ | I am really on the periphery. | 15:54 |
| jeremiah_ | I don't work for a 'trusted Nokia partner' | 15:54 |
| jeremiah_ | I am not part of Nokia | 15:54 |
| jeremiah_ | I am just not in the loop | 15:54 |
| swc|666 | sure | 15:54 |
| RST38h | it feels like common sense to me that Niels should simply choose himself a backup, show him what to do, and leave it at that | 15:54 |
| jeremiah_ | Which makes it hard to get anything done | 15:54 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i bet this has already been considered and to some degree being implemented, but its not he sort of thing that could go smoothly overnight | 15:54 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It has been months since Maemo5 repos became operational | 15:55 |
| RST38h | so, "overnight" argument is getting kinda soily | 15:55 |
| lcuk | bu tthe promotion stuff isnt | 15:55 |
| RST38h | also not introduced yesterday | 15:55 |
| lcuk | of course, and i totally understand | 15:56 |
| lcuk | when x-fade went on his well deserved holiday i think a lot of this was realised | 15:56 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: he came back a little while ago too, not yesterday | 15:56 |
| * lcuk nods | 15:57 | |
| jeremiah_ | I like X-Fade too, he has done so much for the project. | 15:57 |
| RST38h | the only remaining explanation is "christmas time, everything is snowed over and sleepy" | 15:57 |
| jeremiah_ | But let's face it, you cannot have only have one person in control. | 15:57 |
| RST38h | but...mmm...I somehow doubt anything will change after Christmas is over | 15:57 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: in fact, no coporation I know ever allows that | 15:58 |
| jeremiah_ | Indeed. | 15:58 |
| RST38h | you always have a backup | 15:58 |
| jeremiah_ | It is the professional way to do it. | 15:58 |
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| RST38h | who may be a bit out of the current situation, but always ready to replace you | 15:58 |
| jeremiah_ | I don't see why he just doesn't put the promotion code in a repo somewhere | 15:58 |
| jeremiah_ | So anyone can hack on it. | 15:59 |
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| EvilGuru | I currently own an N810 but am considering treating myself to a new N900. However, does anyone know the max power that the USB OTG can provide? | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | EvilGuru: none | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | EvilGuru: it's not OTG | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | EvilGuru: nobody has gotten host mode to work | 16:00 |
| EvilGuru | Interesting, I could've sworn that my N810 supported it | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | EvilGuru: there are indications that it may be possible, but at best it requires someone with both a kernel and electronic clue | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | EvilGuru: none on trhe n900 | 16:01 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: I think he did put it somewhere (seen parts of it before) | 16:01 |
| jeremiah_ | okay | 16:01 |
| jeremiah_ | Good | 16:01 |
| jeremiah_ | URL? | 16:01 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: but it is useless unless someone reviews it and does the management part | 16:01 |
| RST38h | a moment | 16:01 |
| EvilGuru | SpeedEvil: Wow, that seems a little odd, is it a hardware or software limitation? | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | EvilGuru: yes | 16:02 |
| RST38h | no, can't find it anywhere =( | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | EvilGuru: it's at least a software limitation. The lack of power is a hardware limitation - if it can or cannot do usb host with an external powered hub and special cable is unclear atm | 16:03 |
| RST38h | oh wait here it is, I think | 16:05 |
| flux | techically I suppose someone could implement a usb host, that would provide usb master-capability into a device that's hooked as a slave into it | 16:05 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo2midgard/ | 16:05 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Thanks | 16:05 |
| EvilGuru | USB OTG without some -- even just a few mA -- of power is not all that useful | 16:05 |
| flux | but I wonder if that kind of device 1) could be certified as a USB device 2) it'd need special driver support 3) is there a market big enough for that kind of a device :) | 16:05 |
| flux | evilguru, if it'd be only a few mA and it'd need an adapter, it could always use a battery.. | 16:06 |
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| EvilGuru | On an unrelated note how does the screen/keyboard on the 900 compare to the 810 | 16:07 |
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| flux | it's much better. even if it is only a 3-row one. | 16:07 |
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| ShadowJK | screen is smaller. touchscreen is insanely sensitive compare to n810 | 16:07 |
| ShadowJK | it took a month or sp tp get used to the n810 keyboard. took me 3 days to get used to the n900 keyboard | 16:08 |
| ShadowJK | I still do some typos, ' vs , and - vs _ | 16:08 |
| w00t | same | 16:09 |
| flux | the touch feeling in the n810 is so much heavier | 16:09 |
| flux | the keyboard, that is | 16:09 |
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| EvilGuru | I guess the screen is more finger friendly | 16:09 |
| ShadowJK | and fn vs shift when going back to n810 from n900 or other way around | 16:09 |
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| ShadowJK | yes, i'm a stylus fan and find I almost never use it | 16:10 |
| flux | I've been thinking of swapping the upper-left and bottom-left buttons.. | 16:10 |
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| ShadowJK | on n900 | 16:10 |
| flux | hm, actually no, that wasn't it | 16:10 |
| flux | I want shift and control to be next to each other, and ctrl to be bottom left | 16:10 |
| flux | but perhaps the longer it takes me to modify the keymap, the more accustomed I will be to the current layout :) | 16:10 |
| EvilGuru | Hmm, I guess I can justify the £500 price | 16:11 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, maybe you can consider shifting Mer priority to running ubuntu apps as comfortable as possible?) | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: it is already quite comfortable | 16:13 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, :) | 16:13 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Fff ff fffrooozeeen | 16:14 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: but the problem is really desktop apps assume everyone has 1024x768 | 16:17 |
| w00t | what? they don't?! | 16:18 |
| w00t | that's unpossible! | 16:18 |
| jeremiah_ | I have 768x1024 | 16:19 |
| Termana | 800x480 here | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, everyone has >= 1024x768 :P | 16:20 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, well, I have some sollutions for it :) | 16:21 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: will be interesting to read them | 16:22 |
| Lantizia | does anyone know how i can get frozen bubble to install properly | 16:22 |
| Lantizia | it says it wants perl modules.... but apt says that package was replaced by perl which is installed | 16:23 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Stskeeps: 1024x600* | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | EvilGuru: topcashback.com has some rebates for nokia.com | 16:25 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8418158.stm | 16:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Brilliant! | 16:27 |
| PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: btw, for testing hostmode a y-cable would be preferred, adding an external hub can make it more complex due to driver limitations, somehow musb doesn't like hubs according to the driver source. | 16:27 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, I used the word hub - as it was more likley to be understood | 16:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | On one hand, BBC Radio 5 are pretending to be interested in and supportive of RATMs bizarre campaign... on the other hand they turn into a bunch of whiney apologetic fucktards when RATM stick it to them and drop the f-bomb on Radio 5 live | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and we didn't see any results on messing around with hostmode today | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | btw any other externally powered device like usb harddrive should do | 16:29 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: my topcashback is still showing as confirmed, despite nokia forcing me to re-order over the phone... *fingers crossed* | 16:30 |
| PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: yep, due to castrated dmesg buffer we're even unable to understand if the driver is compiled with necessary options or not :/ | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | just compile a new one :P | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 16k of dmesg buffer - really very small | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: maybe - some peripherals I've found won't talk without vbus | 16:32 |
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| Stskeeps | lo vdvsx | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: that's our next point on todo list ;) | 16:33 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: can you tell me for sure if the source present at repository.maemo.org ... freemantle ... kernel diff.gz is the same used to build production kernels? Because it has rx51_defconfig in debian/rules. | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: yes, to my knowledge it is the right one | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | go for *4102* | 16:33 |
| VDVsx | hey Stskeeps | 16:33 |
| * VDVsx freezes :( | 16:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: hmm. maybe. how would we check? | 16:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: try it | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer51: pull vbus from a cable, plug into hub | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | or pc | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: ;-D | 16:35 |
| PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: the driver refuses to switch away from peripheral mode. | 16:35 |
| PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: for no apparent reason, i.e. no messages in dmesg. | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: yes - there is that | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: I started reading the kernel drivers to understand it, and I got a headache. | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | There seem to be quite a few things supported under the rx51 platform, which diddn't make it into the device | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | same here | 16:36 |
| PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: first of all i'd make sure the driver is compiled with host mode support. Then i'd enable debugging etc. | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to get the toolchain setup and stuff - but I've been feeling really, really crap for the past month. | 16:37 |
| PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: notable musb driver somewhat changed between .28 used on the device and current omap-kernel... | 16:37 |
| PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: toolchain is the easiest step in fact, emdebian gives you a very simple way. | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - a phone to take apart would make this somewhat easier in some ways | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | s/some/many/ | 16:38 |
| infobot | SpeedEvil meant: Also - a phone to take apart would make this manywhat easier in some ways | 16:38 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs infobot. | 16:38 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | shit. gimme schematics | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | that too | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | and firmware dumps | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Also sdks. | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I mean... I got the most detailed accurate description of the hw right in my hands right now. I just find the reader needed is a little unconvenient | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | also the lead filled clothes needed while it is running | 16:42 |
| Lantizia | does anyone know how i can get frozen bubble to install properly | 16:42 |
| ShadowJK | oh dear | 16:42 |
| Lantizia | please? | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: also diddn't work for me - though I haven't investigated | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: you remind me of chinese in smartq forums friggen x-raying the q5 | 16:42 |
| ShadowJK | touchscreen calibration totally ruined calibration for me.. like.. it's perfect in the middle, but the edges are terrible now | 16:42 |
| * ShadowJK wonders how to revert | 16:42 | |
| Lantizia | i lovel frozen bubble! | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 16:43 |
| Lantizia | is perl-modules meant to exist? | 16:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | frozen bubble with accel pointing and prox fire would be very cool | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Lantizia: where are you trying to install it? | 16:43 |
| Lantizia | fremantle | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: well my last job started with a similar statement :-P | 16:43 |
| * Gadgetoid_mbp tries to install frozen bubble 2 | 16:43 | |
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| Lantizia | i think it's in the devel repo | 16:44 |
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| * Gadgetoid_mbp notes "Application packages missing: perl-modules (>= 5.8.3-3osso10) | 16:44 | |
| Lantizia | yeah but when you try and install that it says its been replaced by perl | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | Lantizia: on n900 ou mea | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | n | 16:45 |
| Lantizia | and perl is installed | 16:45 |
| Lantizia | yeah im on my n900 now on xchat | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Lantizia: heh | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xchat ftw ;-) | 16:46 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Colloquy ftw :) | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | let's agree on "pidgin sucks" | 16:47 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | See what you mean Lantizia | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | at least for irc | 16:47 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | perl-base and perl | 16:47 |
| Lantizia | yeah | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | broken dependency? | 16:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yes, DocScrutinizer51 | 16:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | might be able to install with apt-get force | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe try --force | 16:48 |
| Lantizia | anyone got the power to fix the dependancy? | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or whatever its called | 16:48 |
| Lantizia | dont think apt has force | 16:48 |
| Lantizia | i checked | 16:48 |
| Lantizia | wow this radio works well :) | 16:49 |
| * Lantizia wonders if he can tune into the N900 lol | 16:49 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | hmm | 16:50 |
| Lantizia | nah lol | 16:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Innteresting | 16:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm going to grab the package and try to install it with dpkg | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Lantizia: I guess FM TX and RX are mutually exclusive. Not tested though | 16:51 |
| Lantizia | the transmitter wont turn onm while headphones are in | 16:52 |
| Lantizia | headphones are needed to tune in lol | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for antenna yes | 16:52 |
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| Lantizia | yeah | 16:52 |
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| Lantizia | i was reading a feature request earlier in the year for fremantle that was approved adding support for album art as jpgs in the same dir | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | btw the power converters or whatever starts when powered via USB really spoil FM RX | 16:54 |
| Lantizia | so ive put cover.jpg files in my albums dirs as per the gnome heuristics docs rthat were linked to | 16:54 |
| VDVsx | Testers: one more vote to go: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/fmsx/3.5.7-1/ | 16:54 |
| Lantizia | but the album art still doesnt show | 16:54 |
| VDVsx | please help :) | 16:54 |
| * Lantizia plugs in charger to test | 16:54 | |
| Lantizia | sounds fine | 16:55 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: any other option in kernel you would like to change? | 16:56 |
| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, mm? | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: not now | 16:57 |
| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, ah | 16:57 |
| VDVsx | wazd_n800, hey | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: maybe format of timestamps? | 16:58 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: i do not think it's tunable. | 16:58 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Ugh even my hurt hurts | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah | 16:58 |
| ShadowJK | tx and rx at the same time would be sort of awesome, use the rx to find open frequencies, and your car radio would automatically hop to the new frequency thanks to rds | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: wow | 16:59 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | No matter how hot the girls are you're roping in with a feather boa, stop dancing or it'll bring the pain for the rest of the week! | 16:59 |
| Lantizia | how did it go gagetoid? | 16:59 |
| Lantizia | with frozen bubble. | 16:59 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Lantizia: I realised that I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, whilst manually browsing through the repository | 17:01 |
| VDVsx | afaik frozen bubble doesn't work on the device, unless it is complied without GL support | 17:01 |
| Lantizia | well its in the repo | 17:02 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Trouble is, it's in devel, which means nobody is inclined to rush and fix the dependancy | 17:03 |
| VDVsx | Lantizia, the package was imported a long ago, before the maintainer got a device, and its in -devel not extras | 17:04 |
| Lantizia | i know its in devel | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anybody a clue what happened to numptyphysics for maemo4 ? | 17:06 |
| VDVsx | and the problem is not only that dependency for sure, otherwise it will be done already | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or is it just me not finding it anymore | 17:13 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Already installed? | 17:15 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'd check on my n810, but that means getting up, and I'm all danced out baby! | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | vnc | 17:16 |
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| * SpeedEvil is also in bed. | 17:16 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | vnc might work if it were turned on :( | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | You turn computers off? | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Wierd. | 17:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | the n810, yup | 17:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I think the battery ran out | 17:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | No, wait, turned it off to USB connect | 17:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | As USB host from N810 to N900 failed | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean 810 as host? | 17:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | yes | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well I had numpty some months ago. dunno if I deinstalled and forgot or it simply vanished. Anyway it's not in appmanager anymore. | 17:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I suspect a powered USB hub between the two might help | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | And garage direct install link appmngr says file not found | 17:19 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, if you have it installed it isnt listed in the apps to install | 17:19 |
| lcuk | ie check the other areas in app manager | 17:19 |
| lcuk | failing that, you may have simply screwed up your repos | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: but it,s also not listed in removable | 17:20 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/n900/zImage-paul-2.6.28-20dec | 17:20 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Is anyone working on a Ubuntu image for the N900? | 17:21 |
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| oldtang | hi | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: so how could I check if the repos are ok? simply compare the source URL ec settings? or is there a way to check/clean/repairlocal database? | 17:21 |
| oldtang | i can't run maemo 5 example on vmware image | 17:21 |
| oldtang | anyone help ? | 17:22 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, the apt/dpkg databases should be self curing, before anything so drastic, check you have the extras repository? | 17:23 |
| lcuk | and disable other repositories too | 17:24 |
| lcuk | cos they can conflict | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: tripple checked | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ahh ok. I'll try to disable the other repos | 17:25 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: have you noticed the link to a recompiled kernel i made from maemo sources? | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: I tried to dl. need to find the file to verify its there :-P | 17:30 |
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| BluesLee | hi, is there a command to see which package is installed from which repo? | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: file is here | 17:35 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: cool. I made dmesg buffer 4x times larger and disabled MODVERSIONS (hoping it would allow to load modules from the kernel you have). Only that. | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: will take a while until I read how to actually flash kernel and setup my PC for that purpose | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aiui there is mainly windoze support for nokia suite | 17:38 |
| woglinde | ~flasher | 17:38 |
| infobot | somebody said flasher was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 17:38 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: sure, take your time. My guess was that it's the same as with n810, i.e. you copy proprietary flasher from somewhere and just flash with it while booted to BL. | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep. my guess as well | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | woglinde: thnx | 17:39 |
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| wazd_n800 | err, how to make a poll at t.m.o.? | 17:41 |
| wazd_n800 | nm | 17:41 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_n800, there's a option there | 17:42 |
| VDVsx | :p | 17:43 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders a 'nokia should release schematics' brainstrorm. | 17:43 | |
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| VDVsx | SpeedEvil, good luck with that :p | 17:44 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes there was a way to advertise for broken n900s. | 17:45 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: advertise? | 17:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | contact users who have them | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd hope there wasn't that many of them ;-) | 17:47 |
| wazd_n800 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37866 | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean ones not covered by warranty | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | say treading on them | 17:48 |
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| Lantizia | according to this bug... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2686 | 17:54 |
| povbot | Bug 2686: Media player album art support | 17:54 |
| Lantizia | support for cover.jpg was added (album art in same dir as music files on media player) ... but it doesn't work | 17:54 |
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| Lantizia | oh and I'm on an N900... any ideas on what I may be doing wrong? | 17:54 |
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| fnordianslip | Lantizia: Most bug-fixes for fremantle are in an unreleased future firmware update or SSU | 17:55 |
| jebba | Builder is back online | 17:56 |
| Lantizia | fnordianslip, but this was closed like back in february | 17:56 |
| fnordianslip | oh ok | 17:56 |
| fnordianslip | too lazy to look | 17:56 |
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| yuizy | is it possible to have "mouse gestures" in xterm? | 18:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | yuizy: in principle, yes, but nobody has implemented | 18:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if the terminal supports 'mouse mode' | 18:13 |
| yuizy | ok | 18:13 |
| yuizy | that would be very useful | 18:13 |
| yuizy | i.e. for irssi | 18:13 |
| jebba | ffmpeg, coming up! :) | 18:13 |
| yuizy | draw line up = pageup, draw line to right = alt+right | 18:15 |
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| RST38bis | ehlo all | 18:17 |
| matan | 250-PIPELINING | 18:18 |
| RST38bis | As they only say that 'the bulk' is running PHP, let's assume this to be 25,000 of the 30,000. If C++ would have been used instead of PHP, then 22,500 servers could be powered down (assuming a conservative ratio of 10 for the efficiency of C++ versus PHP code), or a reduction of 49,000 tons of CO2 per year. | 18:19 |
| RST38bis | heh, poor php, cant get a break... | 18:19 |
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| manuelse | Hello is gpodder author in chat | 18:24 |
| manuelse | Somewhere i want to play the new podcasts | 18:25 |
| weatherhead | hi, does anyone know anything about facebook chat support it pidgin | 18:25 |
| manuelse | but they are all in their categories and i must play each one | 18:25 |
| manuelse | is facebook irc? | 18:25 |
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| stevenhong | how to see the swap in n810 | 18:26 |
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| manuelse | top, free | 18:27 |
| manuelse | mount | 18:27 |
| stevenhong | use top command I just see the ram | 18:28 |
| manuelse | ok, sorry | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. video with flashlight is a bit iffy. | 18:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | As expected really | 18:29 |
| manuelse | on pc top show Swap: | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4200558860/ | 18:29 |
| ShadowJK | maemo has busybox top | 18:29 |
| ShadowJK | if nothing else, grep Swap /proc/meminfo | 18:30 |
| stevenhong | have you succeed in boot the system in the mmc | 18:30 |
| Lantizia | Could anyone else make a dir, put some music files in it, and a cover.jpg picture, and see if Media Player (on N900) actually uses it as Album Art? | 18:30 |
| Lantizia | it's meant to according to the bug tracker, but doesn't for mne | 18:30 |
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| stevenhong | busybox? | 18:30 |
| stevenhong | what for? | 18:31 |
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| stevenhong | how much is the n900 price in USA? | 18:31 |
| manuelse | busybox takes very little space on the filesystem | 18:31 |
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| Lantizia | a file system of 32gb's | 18:31 |
| Lantizia | thats like SUCH a concern | 18:32 |
| johnq | Hi! Is there some upstart-event that is fired when the internal flash (MyDocs) is mounted? | 18:32 |
| manuelse | 256MB | 18:32 |
| manuelse | do not be fooled | 18:32 |
| stevenhong | how to install | 18:32 |
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| manuelse | johnq: see /etc/events.d for events on n900 | 18:33 |
| manuelse | Lantizia: i give you permission to install replacement applications for busybox | 18:33 |
| * Lantizia feels honered | 18:34 | |
| stevenhong | busybox is that means the shell in the maemo? | 18:34 |
| manuelse | i think it is time for teh goggling :) | 18:35 |
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| johnq | so the events in /etc/event.d are all events that are emitted, or do some other system daemons also emit signals? | 18:36 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Any n900 owners in the US that might be using a T-Mobile dataplan? (I know it's rather a long shot.) | 18:37 |
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| Khertan | Hello ! | 18:37 |
| Lantizia | Hello ! | 18:37 |
| lcuk | hey Khertan :D | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | GiantTalkingCow: I recall threads on that on talk | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | GiantTalkingCow: and I'm using t-mobile in the UK | 18:38 |
| Khertan | heya lcuk | 18:38 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Can someone port KDE to the N900 plz | 18:38 |
| Lantizia | Voda on N900 on UK works great, nothing is blocked on my unlimited web/text + 600 min plan from nokiaretail.co.uk | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | help fr mail setup N900 please. How to send a mail with a mailaddr alias? | 18:38 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Shouldn't it be CDE? Or do they spell Crappy with a K these days? | 18:38 |
| Lantizia | openvpn, irc, skype, sip, ssh... all on 3G/3.5G | 18:38 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, KDE DE? | 18:38 |
| Lantizia | t-mobile blocks all kinds of stuf | 18:39 |
| cosmo_ | isn't debian already ported to n900? it has KDE | 18:39 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | luck: Debian in a box would be nice, ala the N810 but obviously not with KDE | 18:39 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Not really looked into Debian yet, though | 18:40 |
| Lantizia | Gadgetoid, common desktop environment? isn't that dead? | 18:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Although I'm guessing it's how everyone is rocking ALSA Mixer on the N900 | 18:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Lantizia: you assume it was alive in the first place | 18:40 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, ive seen kde on n810 | 18:40 |
| Lantizia | omg was it frankenstein | 18:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Really, lcuk? | 18:40 |
| lcuk | and kde widgets (plasmoids?) were running on n900 at the summit | 18:40 |
| lcuk | yeah, Mek both times actually, both summits | 18:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I thought KDE was too bloated for a bleedin' desktop much less anything else | 18:41 |
| lcuk | he has been able to run kde on nokia devices | 18:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm actually mildly impressed | 18:41 |
| Lantizia | why would you want something as bloaty as kde on it? | 18:41 |
| Lantizia | LXDE is the nice ness :D | 18:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | It's like trying to run Windows Vista on a ZX Spectrum... but still cool | 18:41 |
| weatherhead | are you mistaking KDE with Qt ? | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (mail alias) Is there a way to setup an account that has SMTP only, *no* POPE or whatever mailfetch? | 18:42 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Personally, I feel that both KDE and Gnome have pretty much scuttled Linux's desktop chance for the near future. | 18:42 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Aww ome on GiantTalkingCow, Gnome isn't THAT bad | 18:42 |
| Lantizia | GiantTalkingCow, XFCE hasn't done much to help it either | 18:42 |
| GiantTalkingCow | No, the current version of Gnome is so-so. But looking at v3, especially with Gnome-Shell.... | 18:43 |
| * GiantTalkingCow shrugs. | 18:43 | |
| weatherhead | will I get instantly massive flamed for being a KDE user? | 18:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | The only way linux will have an honest to god chance on consumer desktops is to look exactly like Windows | 18:43 |
| Lantizia | weatherhead, yes lol | 18:43 |
| weatherhead | ok | 18:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And, apparently, that didn't work for it either | 18:43 |
| Lantizia | hehe the KDE way | 18:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Although I guess not being sued by MS would help | 18:43 |
| lcuk | i want a flying car running linux on its desktop with dukenukem as a pre installable | 18:43 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Gadgetoid_mbp: Not at all, all it has to do is work smoothly and have a fair amount of native app support. | 18:44 |
| weatherhead | lcuk: it's coming in KDE 5 | 18:44 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Would you settle for duke nukem 2d, lcuk? | 18:44 |
| weatherhead | lol | 18:44 |
| Lantizia | doom on n900 would be nice to see | 18:44 |
| Lantizia | as would duke 3d | 18:44 |
| Shadikka | hmm | 18:44 |
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| Shadikka | Doom could actually be worth doing. | 18:44 |
| Lantizia | dukenukem3d has a linux installer too | 18:44 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Trust me, GiantTalkingCow, it definitely has to look exactly identical to windows... I've met folks who accidentally drag icons on their desktop around and panic | 18:44 |
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| lcuk | Gadgetoid_mbp, if the only way is to look like windows then its not going to work, theres no point in trying to clone identically, you dont change market share that way, you go at things differently | 18:44 |
| Lantizia | Shadikka, could use PR Boom ... or Vanilla Doom (thats a very good example) | 18:44 |
| Lantizia | Shadikka, http://www.chocolate-doom.org <-- I meant this one lol | 18:45 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Oh well, I guess all the people who are mortally afraid of computers will be dead in a few years anyway | 18:45 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Gadgetoid_mbp: Yes, but those people are idiots, and frankly aiming anything at them would be a waste. I'd aim Linux at the intermediate user market. The low end has a ton of trouble with Windows as is, and would be better served using an internet appliance. | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: Awww - dissapointing. I hoped for a chocolate themed wad. | 18:46 |
| Shadikka | Lantizia: I wonder how hard would it actually be to get those running on N900 | 18:46 |
| Lantizia | hehe | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Gadgetoid_mbp: what a nonsense. Anybody needing windows like desktop should use windows | 18:46 |
| Lantizia | you have to prodive the wad's yourself for obvious reasons... like you do with ioquake3 | 18:46 |
| GAN900 | Linux makes a good Internet appliance | 18:46 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: Or euthanised | 18:46 |
| GAN900 | I've installed Ubuntu as a Windows replacement on a lot of inexperienced users' machines. | 18:47 |
| * SpeedEvil has a doom II CD somewhere | 18:47 | |
| Lantizia | im happy with openttd, scummvm, wormux, quake3, openarena, etc... for now ... but I do want FROZEN BUBBLE.... NEEED MY FIXXXXX! | 18:47 |
| lcuk | GAN900, do you followup on the maint? | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: enigma is good too | 18:47 |
| lcuk | or just fire/forget changing the game for them | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: it can drive you crazy though | 18:47 |
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| * Lantizia installs | 18:47 | |
| GAN900 | lcuk, there's very little maintenance | 18:47 |
| lcuk | but who does it | 18:48 |
| GAN900 | Tell them to update it when it bugs them about it | 18:48 |
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| GAN900 | They do, so far. | 18:48 |
| jebba | for ffmpeg, the Depends: is like this: "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}" But that didn't do any of the depends (e.g. i can install ffmpeg without bringing in and deps). Is this because those are debhelper 7 variables or something? | 18:48 |
| lcuk | thats the same advice you give to windows users | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anybody around to help me with that mail shit please? | 18:48 |
| lcuk | but they get annoyed when flash or something is outdated | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (mail alias) Is there a way to setup an account that has SMTP only, *no* POPE or whatever mailfetch? | 18:48 |
| lcuk | or their game wont play | 18:48 |
| GAN900 | Except for the anti-virus/spyware/malware/trojan lecture you have to give. | 18:48 |
| GAN900 | Meh, haven't had any of those issues. | 18:49 |
| Lantizia | runing windows? hahahaaaa you fail | 18:49 |
| Lantizia | please don't ctcp me | 18:49 |
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| jebba | ah, missing dpkg-shlibdeps http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html | 18:49 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Who needs anti-virus, just stretch a condom over the keyboard and everything is good | 18:49 |
| lcuk | GAN900, i get a "uber_farmworld_Facebookapp" thing wont run | 18:50 |
| wazd_n801 | tmo's down?( | 18:50 |
| lcuk | but it works from your computer upstairs | 18:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Specially if it's a used one, they wont touch their computers then... and lack of user intervention is a pretty good preventative | 18:50 |
| lcuk | whats the difference | 18:50 |
| GAN900 | Anyway, lcuk, not at all interested in Win vs Lin discussion. | 18:50 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Frankly, I feel that in terms of a decent UI, both OSes are sadly lacking. Actually, all modern OSes are. | 18:51 |
| jebba | gah, but dh_shlibdeps is being called. hrmm | 18:52 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, lol ... that enigma game has taken sound effect from Worms 2 | 18:53 |
| Lantizia | *effects | 18:53 |
| Lantizia | odd game tho | 18:53 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | damn mailclient is such a *PITA*. Obviously you can't even set up mail download interval on a per-server basis | 18:55 |
| jebba | is johnsq the same as johnq? :) I got evopedia working with spanish wiki. Some problems though in that articles would have sections of other entries that had nothing to do with the subject (e.g. Borges article has stuff about Tampico, Mexico for it's top half) | 18:57 |
| johnsq | jebba: no johns is the normal nick, but already taken | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so there's no way to handle a mail account with multiple mailaddr and minpoll. even if I set poll interval to 2 * minpoll, it still polls the account twice in a moment | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | if a createed two accounts for the two mailaddr on same server | 19:00 |
| ShadowJK | oooh | 19:00 |
| * ShadowJK finds tscalibrate on gitorious | 19:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so selecting "from" means editing setup | 19:01 |
| jebba | anyone know offhand which of these optimizations would be good for n900? ARMv5TE ARMv6 ARMv6T2 "ARM VFP" IWMMXT NEON | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | neon, i hik | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | think | 19:03 |
| jebba | swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 | 19:04 |
| jebba | from /proc/cpuinfo | 19:04 |
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| jebba | gives some hints ;) | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | looks about right | 19:04 |
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| alekseiko | hi all | 19:06 |
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| johnq | jebba: I'm here | 19:08 |
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| johnq | jebba: The problems you describe seem very strange. | 19:08 |
| lcuk | help! how do i optify liqbase? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37878 | 19:09 |
| ShadowJK | jebba, what are you compiling? | 19:09 |
| jebba | ShadowJK: ffmpeg. Gonna try: --enable-neon --enable-armvfp --enable-armv5te --enable-armv6 --enable-armv6t2 | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | oh wow, downloaded fremantle-hildon-desktop-osso-applet-screencalibration, compiled it in scratchbox, dumped the binary onto my device in $HOME, ran it, and ts calibration is good again | 19:10 |
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| ShadowJK | jebba, good luck :) | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | jebba, I recommend -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfloat-abi=neon -mfpu=neon | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | uh | 19:11 |
| ShadowJK | jebba, I recommend -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfloat-abi=softfp -mfpu=neon | 19:11 |
| ShadowJK | softfp not neon as abi.. | 19:11 |
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| jebba | ShadowJK: actually, i got it built already ok. It didn't automate the dependencies though, via dh_shlibdeps for some reason though | 19:11 |
| ShadowJK | did you get it built with neon enabled? | 19:11 |
| jebba | ShadowJK: the options above are ./configure optoins to ffmpeg, not CCFLAGS | 19:11 |
| ShadowJK | Yes, I know | 19:11 |
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| jebba | no, no neon in the build I did. Adding it now. | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | with MPlayer, the difference between plain and v5te+v6+v6te+vfp+neon is about 20% | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | so it should be the same with ffmpeg too.. | 19:12 |
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| Lantizia | if rootfs shows as full on df -h is that bad? lol | 19:13 |
| jebba | yes, i would think big difference... | 19:13 |
| jebba | Lantizia: DON'T REBOOT, until you get it fixed or you may brick your device. | 19:13 |
| Lantizia | ooo k | 19:13 |
| Lantizia | I was trying to install perl-modules and perl from the SDK to get frozen bubble working | 19:14 |
| Lantizia | and it said no space left on device | 19:14 |
| Lantizia | I take it I've filled the 256mb portion? | 19:14 |
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| ShadowJK | where "bricked" really means you'll be in for a reflash (and lose anything stored on rootfs) | 19:14 |
| Lantizia | I've reflashed before so that doesn't bother me | 19:15 |
| Lantizia | can I have apps install to the 32gb area tho? | 19:15 |
| jebba | ShadowJK: | 19:15 |
| jebba | vfp_build_confflags += --extra-cflags="-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp" | 19:15 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Incidentally my rootfs is also at 99% | 19:16 |
| Lantizia | I mean, whats the fix here? I want what I've got install to stay installed | 19:16 |
| jebba | ShadowJK: ok, gonna add: --extra-cflags="-mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfloat-abi=softfp -mfpu=neon" thx :) | 19:16 |
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| ShadowJK | jebba, I think you want -mfpu=neon for n900? | 19:16 |
| ShadowJK | Lantizia, the SDK repo isn't meant for use on N900 | 19:17 |
| jebba | ya ^^ | 19:17 |
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| jebba | ShadowJK: to clarify, this looks ok, right? --extra-cflags="-mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfloat-abi=softfp -mfpu=neon" | 19:17 |
| Lantizia | ShadowJK, this implies it can be... http://wiki.maemo.org/Perl | 19:17 |
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| Lantizia | I just want proper perl installed then I'll remove the repo | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | it's too big :) | 19:18 |
| Lantizia | well can I move usr to home? | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | Some perl knowledgeable would need to repackage it so it doesn't consume rootfs space | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | home isn't mounted early enough, so boot will fail | 19:19 |
| Lantizia | but opt is in home | 19:19 |
| Lantizia | why not usr? | 19:19 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Does libwebkit still chug rootfs space? | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | Lantizia, I'm told that /usr is needed in order to mount /home | 19:19 |
| Lantizia | ok this royally sucks balls... 32gb of space and I can't even use it! | 19:20 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | It's a Maemo feature Lantizia | 19:20 |
| Lantizia | if I wanted to store removal files like music/video I'd use the SD card! not the 32gb | 19:20 |
| Lantizia | I want the 32gb for my filesystem | 19:20 |
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| * Stskeeps should try to debug cloning fremantle | 19:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Lantizia: (opt) I suggested that as well | 19:21 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer51, suggest what? | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast people seem to have (mostly) solved python now | 19:21 |
| johnq | jebba: hey, I got the startup script working - it seems that the N900 uses only upstart without system-v-compatibility, although there are plenty of links in the /etc/rc?.d/-directories | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | bind mounts :) | 19:21 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I can't fathom what's eating my rootfs up, but it doesn't seem to be preventing the installation of further apps | 19:21 |
| Lantizia | ShadowJK, I know how to use them - can I some how use them to get past the 256mb limits? | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | move /usr /var to eMMC (or /(9'3@-94@+8'0:3@+9:7589"j | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry | 19:22 |
| jebba | Gadgetoid_mbp: probably the icon cache! It will free up the space after power cycle | 19:22 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know what perl expects | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (or /home for simple solution) | 19:22 |
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| * ShadowJK has power cycled his n900 twice so far (soon a month) | 19:22 | |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer51, well /opt is actually /home/opt | 19:22 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer51, but thats just a symlink | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 19:23 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | jebba: you could be right... I'm sure the n810/Maemo4 had precomputed icon caches and that I managed to adjust them down in size considerably | 19:23 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer51, are you saying make /usr a mount bind to /home/usr and put it in fstab? | 19:23 |
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| jebba | ug, 91 patches to pulseaudio... | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Lantizia: basically yes | 19:24 |
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| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer51, and I won't screw anything up? lol | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Lantizia: var as well | 19:24 |
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| Lantizia | fstab has a comment saying it's autogenerated - will something else overwrite my changes? | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno. should work if done correctly (early mount) | 19:24 |
| Lantizia | well fstab should be early enough... ShadowJK what do you think? | 19:25 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess you can try... got flasher ready and data backed up? :) | 19:25 |
| Lantizia | lol yes | 19:26 |
| Lantizia | only had this n900 a week | 19:26 |
| Lantizia | I can afford another reflash hehe | 19:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm, reboot leaves 17mb free on rootfs | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Lantizia: also consider doing the mounts via a initscript | 19:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | What's the free space on a virgin rootfs like? | 19:26 |
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| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer51, you'll have to guide me on which file and what to put | 19:27 |
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| Lantizia | /home/usr /usr bind defaults,bind 0 0 | 19:27 |
| Lantizia | /home/var /var bind defaults,bind 0 0 | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | /sbin/preinit looks like interesting reading :) | 19:27 |
| jebba | wow, tons of pulseaudio fixes from 0.9.15 (current in n900) to 0.9.21 (current pulseaudio version). Including goodies like: "arm: implement ARM cpu detection" "svolume: add ARM optimized volume scaling" and probably a million other optimizations.... | 19:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And why oh why has this stupid problem persisted to Maemo 5? It's pretty much a given that everyone will want to spam non optified shit from dev onto their devices | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: nokia does contribute upstream often :P | 19:28 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: cool. /me waits for it to hit downstream ;) | 19:28 |
| jebba | i was thinking of rebuilding it, but i'm a bit taken aback by 92 freaking patches... | 19:29 |
| jebba | that will be a lot to sort thru | 19:29 |
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| Lantizia | ok copying both var and usr to /home | 19:29 |
| Lantizia | ShadowJK, I should pop something in there? | 19:29 |
| ShadowJK | oh I just saw stuff for mmc and usb boot (funny, the n900 has no usb host mode) | 19:30 |
| Lantizia | see thats the only thing I don't like about the N900... not usb host mode | 19:30 |
| jebba | debian sid has only one patch to pulseaudio 0.9.21. | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Lantizia: seen ShadowJK comment? | 19:30 |
| Lantizia | unless someone has a work around | 19:30 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer51, which one? | 19:30 |
| ShadowJK | I wouldn't move /var | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 182749 <ShadowJK> /sbin/preinit looks like interesting reading :) | 19:31 |
| Lantizia | oh how come? | 19:31 |
| Lantizia | yeah I'm in that file | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK | rcS starts touching /var very early on | 19:31 |
| Lantizia | hmm | 19:31 |
| Lantizia | starting to find the limits of this phone now | 19:32 |
| Lantizia | :( | 19:32 |
| Lantizia | it looked unstoppable | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | limits? nothing's stopping you from moving entire OS to SD :P | 19:32 |
| Lantizia | well thats what I did with my Zaurus! | 19:32 |
| Lantizia | I loved that :D | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah, a zaurus user | 19:32 |
| Lantizia | yeeeah :P | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so which limits? | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | jebba, how goes ffmpeg compiling? | 19:33 |
| woglinde | hm | 19:33 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer51, the 256mb limit, no "out-of-box" way of using 32gb as filesystem | 19:33 |
| woglinde | jebba isnt on #ffmpeg | 19:33 |
| Lantizia | no usb host mode | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Lantizia: OOTB is a rather soft limit | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | And will pretty much go away in a month or so when everyone works out that opt is a good idea | 19:34 |
| Lantizia | ok then someone explain how I shift the ENTIRE OS to the 32gb? | 19:34 |
| Lantizia | lol... sod the 256mb part | 19:34 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Easier said than done Lantizia | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It will happen. It's not going to be tomorrow. | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps should be able to help | 19:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And USB mode will no longer work I suspect | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372885&postcount=22 | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | -> Lantizia | 19:35 |
| Lantizia | damn it I can't receive sms messages now... device is full | 19:36 |
| GAN900 | Lantizia, eMMC is way slower. | 19:36 |
| Lantizia | then Nokia has done a shit job with this phone | 19:36 |
| Lantizia | 256mb is no where near enough... not when some phones have 2gb built in | 19:36 |
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| Stskeeps | 256mb NAND is pretty much the norm. | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: what's 'way slower' in numbers? | 19:37 |
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| odin_ | is it 256Mb or 1.5Gb OneNAND ? since there is 256Mb RAM, 768Mb SWAP, 256Mb rootfs | 19:38 |
| GAN900 | Lantizia, that's why /opt is there. | 19:38 |
| GAN900 | odin_, swap is on the eMMC. | 19:38 |
| Lantizia | GAN900, yeah but that doesn't fix everything tho! | 19:38 |
| GAN900 | Lantizia, well, be aware that moving to the eMMC is going to slow things down noticeably. :) | 19:39 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, don't have any benchmarks, sorry. | 19:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not slower - really for read | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ~10% | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 19:39 |
| infobot | 0.1 | 19:39 |
| Lantizia | well I'm going to try moving /usr anyway! | 19:39 |
| Lantizia | WEEEEE! | 19:39 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, that random 4k reads? | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | because sequential read speed means absolutely nothing | 19:40 |
| Lantizia | and sod that script... just gonna plonk a bind mount in the fstab | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | considered a symlink? | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: sequential or asequential read is approximately the same speed | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: it's asequential write that blows. | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | no it's not :) | 19:40 |
| Lantizia | ShadowJK, well /opt does it that way - do you think a symlink is all it needs? | 19:40 |
| odin_ | I only moved /var/lib/dpkg to /opt/maemo/var/lib/dpkg (and now Im happy with 32Mb free) | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | (approximately - to within a factor of two - small block random write performance can be way under 10% of max) | 19:41 |
| Lantizia | true I should run apt-get clean | 19:41 |
| ShadowJK | I wouldn't do it before reading the init scripts and figuring out what gets executed when, and where it lives | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Lantizia: sure | 19:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Lantizia: it wont help | 19:41 |
| Lantizia | what wont? | 19:41 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | apt-get clean | 19:41 |
| GAN900 | Lantizia, get ready for a reboot loop. | 19:41 |
| Lantizia | it gave me 7mb lol | 19:41 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I would've thought the mmc command overhead along would give it a bigger difference than that :) | 19:42 |
| Lantizia | GAN900, why? | 19:42 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Sheeesh, all right for some | 19:42 |
| jebba | if you have a foo.deb, how can you check what dependencies it needs (e.g. if it's not in a repo/installed). Like with dpkg -c you can see the contents. But i want to see it's dependencies (and yes, I RTFManpages but didnt see that) | 19:42 |
| odin_ | is there much of a performance diff between 1k, 2k, 4k, 8k, 16k, ... upto native flash blocksize, reads ? | 19:42 |
| johnq | is the gypsy running on the N900 the "standard" one? | 19:43 |
| jebba | ah -I will do it ;) (just doesnt say so!) | 19:43 |
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| johnq | how can I find out the dbus methods available? | 19:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | odin_: just a straight move and symlink? | 19:43 |
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| odin_ | I make a script... let me find it | 19:43 |
| woglinde | johnq n900 runs gypsy not gpsd? | 19:43 |
| Lantizia | rm usr -Rf | 19:43 |
| Lantizia | that isnt' going so well - lol | 19:43 |
| Lantizia | YAY lets BRICK it! | 19:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hahaha | 19:44 |
| Lantizia | oh shit it restarted | 19:44 |
| Lantizia | and I didn't get chance make the symlink lol | 19:44 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | You're kidding about the rm usr -Rf, Lantizia? | 19:44 |
| Lantizia | nope | 19:44 |
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| Lantizia | I copied usr to /home... then thought I'd remove it and symlink it | 19:44 |
| johnq | woglinde: erm, at least the dbus interfaces are there | 19:44 |
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| odin_ | but lots of libraries are in /usr/lib/* | 19:44 |
| johnq | woglinde: I don't really know what's on the other side | 19:45 |
| GAN900 | lol. . . . | 19:45 |
| odin_ | you needed to make the change atomically, copy, replace with symlink THEN delete | 19:45 |
| johnq | woglinde: but yeah, some /usr/libexec/gypsy-daemon is running | 19:45 |
| Lantizia | odin_, as in... atomically? | 19:45 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I was exhaustively selective about the bits and bobs I moved around on the N810 | 19:45 |
| odin_ | Lantizia, atomically as in, there is no moment of time in which any application will see any part of /usr missing (especially unable to find and load libraries) | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: the mmc overhead isn't totally trivial - but it's not really huge for writes | 19:46 |
| Lantizia | odin_, so what your saying is.... i tcan't be done | 19:46 |
| odin_ | but I would not recommed moving /usr, weed out the not so important stuff | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: err - read | 19:46 |
| ShadowJK | The worst is probably random reads mixed with some writes ;) | 19:46 |
| Lantizia | damn it - it won't start up | 19:47 |
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| ShadowJK | heh. | 19:47 |
| Lantizia | gotta call the bf too! | 19:48 |
| Lantizia | crap crap cap | 19:48 |
| GAN900 | lol | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | without /usr. hmm it at best gets you a shell | 19:48 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if fstab is even parsed at all :) | 19:48 | |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer51, but not X to display it? ;) | 19:48 |
| Lantizia | a bind mount would have been less painful | 19:48 |
| ShadowJK | and no framebuffer console in nokia kernel i think? | 19:48 |
| Lantizia | can do that without getting rid of the old usr | 19:49 |
| odin_ | but you cant see it to remote it after :( | 19:49 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Lantizia: you have failed | 19:49 |
| odin_ | s/remote/remove/ | 19:49 |
| Lantizia | I HAVE FAILED | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: yep. probably | 19:49 |
| infobot | odin_ meant: but you cant see it to remove it after :( | 19:49 |
| odin_ | infobot Lantizia is a failure | 19:49 |
| infobot | odin_: okay | 19:49 |
| Lantizia | gonna reflash both the rootfs and the eemc | 19:49 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I like to suck blood | 19:49 |
| odin_ | ~Lantizia | 19:49 |
| Lantizia | so it's FRESH! | 19:49 |
| infobot | i heard lantizia is a failure | 19:49 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | s/blood/penis | 19:50 |
| Lantizia | SHH! | 19:50 |
| Lantizia | someone say penis? | 19:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | No fun =/ | 19:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yes Lantizia, penis and body glitter | 19:50 |
| GAN900 | eMMC flash | 19:50 |
| Lantizia | wooo yippy! | 19:50 |
| Lantizia | yeah that one | 19:50 |
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| GAN900 | Was only supposed to be for protos. <_< | 19:50 |
| Lantizia | the emmc? | 19:51 |
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| Sir_Lancelot | hi guys | 19:51 |
| GAN900 | Yes | 19:51 |
| odin_ | a single-user-mode / recovery-console would not hurt :) "init 1" with a statically linked /bin/sh (or busybox) | 19:51 |
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| jebba | ShadowJK: correct. There is no framebuffer console in default nokia n900 kernel | 19:51 |
| Lantizia | GAN900, well I noticed theres a copy of it available... your saying I shouldn't use it? | 19:51 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm, 27mb give or take of dpkg nonsense | 19:52 |
| GAN900 | Lantizia, I'm saying it's interesting how it being made available for proto users resulted in many people adding it to the reflash steps. ;) | 19:52 |
| Sir_Lancelot | xchat ftw!!!¡¡¡¡!!! | 19:52 |
| jebba | ShadowJK: ffmpeg all packaged up. Uploading to builder :) | 19:52 |
| ShadowJK | jebba, with neon? | 19:53 |
| GAN900 | odin_, talk to fanoush. | 19:53 |
| jebba | yes | 19:53 |
| Lantizia | GAN900, well without it you'd have to weed out all the shit you installed to opt | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | hm, wow | 19:53 |
| rashed2020 | Is the phone app on the N900 replaceable? Can I compile my own version? | 19:53 |
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| ShadowJK | I should check again if I can make mplayer compile without replacing scratchbox binaries | 19:53 |
| jebba | ShadowJK: http://pastebin.ca/1721480 | 19:53 |
| odin_ | its on my list to "look into" once I have reinstalled my workstation (FC12 or something) and got the SDK running, all in the near year, as in a few hours I get on a plane, weeeeeeeee! | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | rashed2020: not open source but make a good argument.. | 19:53 |
| * SpeedEvil is lost in a twisty maze of dbus messages. | 19:54 | |
| Stskeeps | rashed2020: but it should be possible to use the telepathy stuff through another app | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: what's eMMC flash? | 19:54 |
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| rashed2020 | Stskeeps: Not for telepathy. I just want it to append the country code to all incoming numbers even if they were local so they'd properly resolve to my saved contacts since I have all numbers with country codes prefixed. When I look at the call log *some* numbers resolve correctly. I can't find a pattern though. | 19:55 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I just deleted Xorg, useless rubbish was using up all of my bin dir | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | rashed2020: ah, make a brainstorm | 19:55 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, image to flash to the eMMC | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | Gadgetoid_mbp: ... | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: containing? | 19:56 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Sheet, xchat.launch and mediaplayer.launch are pretty close to the top spots for size in there | 19:56 |
| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: google seems to imply that qtopia has STK support | 19:56 |
| Sir_Lancelot | is there a way to explore pc's inside my network? | 19:56 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And, oh dear, FBReader | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: the defualt? | 19:56 |
| timeless_mbp | stk? | 19:56 |
| jebba | odin_: i can give you an acct on a box with the SDK if you want | 19:56 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And QTIrreco | 19:56 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, approximately the out of box image | 19:56 |
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| GAN900 | Minus regional stuff | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | k | 19:57 |
| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: Sim application ToolKit | 19:57 |
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| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: the stuff i would like to see on maemo | 19:57 |
| Sir_Lancelot | is there a way to explore pc's inside my network? | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Sir_Lancelot: if they support UPnP :) | 19:57 |
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| odin_ | jebba, that would be useful | 19:58 |
| Sir_Lancelot | with which app? | 19:58 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | What the hell is intellisyncd | 19:58 |
| Sir_Lancelot | i have a pc with xp sharing a folder with music and stuff inside | 19:58 |
| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: eMMC is a special kind of flash designed to be embedded. Provides host with MMC-like interface. | 19:59 |
| Sir_Lancelot | and i want to access that folder inside that pc | 19:59 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | you should be using something like twonky media server Sir_Lancelot | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: that's known. thanks | 19:59 |
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| Macer | hm | 19:59 |
| woglinde | now working on navit | 19:59 |
| woglinde | jo maer | 19:59 |
| woglinde | args macer | 20:00 |
| Aranel | How can I compile sth @ my n900? Without SDK ofc. Someone suggested me to chroot, but i didnt manage to find any man pages about it. | 20:00 |
| Sir_Lancelot | i have a pc with xp sharing a folder with music and stuff inside | 20:01 |
| Sir_Lancelot | and i want to access that folder inside that pc | 20:01 |
| Sir_Lancelot | ???? | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | Aranel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32772&highlight=qole+chroot+rootstrap | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I seem to have misunderstood proc output. ls -l /proc/*/fd/*|grep 124245 | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | produces one socket mention | 20:01 |
| Sir_Lancelot | how can i do it on my n900? | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | aren't sockets in pairs, with the same node on both sides? | 20:02 |
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| * SpeedEvil is looking for where hte GPS data is coming from. | 20:02 | |
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| Aranel | Thanks Stskeeps, anyway Im just curious, why its not possible to use "configure > make > make install" way with Maemo? | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Aranel: it is. | 20:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Aranel: in principle - it's just nobodies setup an image for it to 'just work' | 20:05 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | Aranel: it is in SDK, but on device you use busybox etc | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | and that breaks -most- autotools based stuff | 20:05 |
| izzox1 | Hey | 20:06 |
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| izzox1 | I need assistance in intallting ubuntu-N8X0 | 20:07 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmm, pretty much everything at this stage likes to live in /usr/bin, yay fun! | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Lantizia: copy /usr. then 'ln /usr /usr-del; ln -s /home/usr /usr' Then reboot, pray, and eventually rm -r /usr-del | 20:07 |
| izzox1 | May somebody help me pliz | 20:07 |
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| izzox1 | ? | 20:07 |
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| izzox1 | Pliz help me people | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | izzox1: chase down b-man and ask him. | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eeeks | 20:09 |
| Aranel | Stskeeps: I think Maemo'll be much more great when this problem and rootfs full problem gone. | 20:10 |
| Aranel | Stskeeps: So easy-chroot is the way, isnt it? | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | Aranel: well yeah but you need a special rootstrap | 20:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | Mh. I can't find what lib to use to get info on battery charge :| looked everywhere. At one point, a "hal battery addon" is mentioned but it's nowhere to be found | 20:13 |
| Shapeshifter | Any clues? | 20:13 |
| FoggeR | hi! | 20:13 |
| FoggeR | i have n900 and today i bought the nokia dc-11 charger.. | 20:13 |
| FoggeR | and it doest work.. | 20:13 |
| Sir_Lancelot | i have a pc with xp sharing a folder with music and stuff inside | 20:13 |
| Sir_Lancelot | and i want to access that folder inside that pc | 20:13 |
| Sir_Lancelot | how can i do it on my n900? | 20:13 |
| Sir_Lancelot | ???? | 20:14 |
| FoggeR | i checked the dmesg and it says "regulator_disable: not in use by this consumer" | 20:14 |
| Shapeshifter | Can't find it in libhal, or dbus... | 20:14 |
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| * wazd_n801 thinks we definitely need some #maemo-support channel | 20:14 | |
| Proteous | lol | 20:14 |
| izzox1 | Thanks Shapeshifter | 20:15 |
| FoggeR | do anyone else have n900 and nokia DC-11 ?.. | 20:15 |
| Shapeshifter | wazd_n801: usually its easier to move development questions to maemo-dev and leave maemo as the support channel^^ | 20:15 |
| Shapeshifter | izzox1: what did I do. | 20:15 |
| wazd_n801 | Sir_Lancelot, n900 automaticaly picks up shared folders via wifi | 20:15 |
| oscillik | sorry for the abrupt request, but i'm in need of some help. i'm trying to reflash my n900 (as i'm coming across some problems with Skype) and neither my Windows 7 install, nor my Windows XP install will install the device driver for the N900 (USB ROM) device | 20:15 |
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| jebba | isn't this maemo-support? :) | 20:15 |
| oscillik | what can i do? :( | 20:15 |
| jebba | gnulinux! | 20:16 |
| wazd_n801 | Sir_Lancelot, just like n8*0 | 20:16 |
| izzox1 | For refering to the rigth person | 20:16 |
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| MrTratta | hello | 20:16 |
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| izzox1 | I don't see b-man anyways | 20:16 |
| Proteous | lol | 20:16 |
| izzox1 | But thx for trying to help | 20:17 |
| wazd_n801 | MrTratta, helloo and welcome! | 20:17 |
| redeeman | wazd_n801: shared how? | 20:17 |
| wazd_n801 | MrTratta, how can we help you this lovely evening? | 20:17 |
| MrTratta | I'm happy user of the N900 (and N800)- just lurking around :) | 20:17 |
| wazd_n801 | redeeman, you know, "shared" | 20:17 |
| MrTratta | at first I read lonely evening :) | 20:17 |
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| redeeman | shared by what? what protocol etc? | 20:18 |
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| matan | eMMC is much faster than UBIFS for reading. For a 20MB zip file: UBIFS, 1.62s real 1.55s sys eMMC (ext2): 1.04s real 0.44 sys | 20:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | this is actually starting to aggravate me >.> Why can't I find any info on how to retrieve battery life using some maemo lib? | 20:18 |
| MrTratta | what's hot ? | 20:18 |
| Shapeshifter | Can't find any API where it's mentioned | 20:18 |
| wazd_n801 | redeeman, xp can share folders only one way | 20:18 |
| Proteous | SMB | 20:18 |
| redeeman | ah so samba? | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: hal-device bme | 20:18 |
| matan | For a 20MB text file (compresses to 10MB by UBIFS) 1.44 real 1.34 sys | 20:18 |
| izzox1 | I made some widgets using qtdesigner that i believe could be use to port pidgin to n900 | 20:19 |
| Proteous | and you have to have the permissions open | 20:19 |
| izzox1 | But i don't know how to got further | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | matan, weird - performance does seem a bit worse though when mmc is involved | 20:19 |
| * RST38h moos again | 20:19 | |
| RST38h | ehlo, Sts, wazd | 20:19 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, remoo | 20:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: if you are in the city, should have gone for a walk, it rules | 20:20 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, country) | 20:20 |
| RST38h | ah | 20:20 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, Yeah, weather is wonderful | 20:20 |
| izzox1 | Is anybody familliar with qt ?? | 20:20 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: and where's this "hal-device"? googling for things like bme api or things like that yields nothing. And here there's only libhal and libhal-storage and both don't include anything about batteries... http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_api_documentation/ | 20:21 |
| matan | Stskeeps, Did not try on N900 yet, but on N810 boot from internal mmc feels faster. | 20:21 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37866 | 20:21 |
| oscillik | please can anyone help? | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: try it in root | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | god, we need #maemo-support.. | 20:22 |
| wazd_n801 | oscillik, x64? | 20:22 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: "in root"? I don't even have the device. I just want to read the API for the lib which gives out this info. What do you mean with "in root"? | 20:22 |
| oscillik | wazd_n801: i've tried it on my x64 Win7 desktop, and i've just tried it on my 32bit Win7 EeePC - still won't install device drivers | 20:23 |
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| wazd_n801 | oscillik, you need virtual x86 machine to flash then | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: i meant x terminal. either way, lshal | grep battery on your laptop. | 20:23 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: well I know that. | 20:23 |
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| oscillik | wazd_n801: i just tried it on a real x86 machine | 20:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: well, you have got 10 potential customers | 20:23 |
| oscillik | still the same thing | 20:23 |
| MrTratta | I recently had a look at pymaemo on my n900 - quite cool. I was wondering what thing, I'm I the only one having problems with the module abook (i.e. missing from the repositories/pymaemo bindings) ? | 20:23 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: but when writing something in C or so it hardly makes sense to use external shell commands | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | and if you want battery info, ask HAL | 20:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: convertion rates from potential to real hover somewhere in 2-5% range | 20:23 |
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| wazd_n801 | RST38h, ehehe :( | 20:24 |
| RST38h | wazd: And the number is taken from my site logs | 20:24 |
| Sir_Lancelot | i have a pc with xp sharing a folder with music and stuff inside | 20:24 |
| Sir_Lancelot | and i want to access that folder inside that pc | 20:24 |
| Sir_Lancelot | how can i do it on my n900? | 20:24 |
| Sir_Lancelot | ???? | 20:24 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, damn, that sucks( | 20:24 |
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| RST38h | besides, for $5/apiece user support becomes prohibitively expensive | 20:25 |
| rashed2020 | Sir_Lancelot: My N900 found my Tversity server and streamed perfectly if that's what you want to do. | 20:25 |
| Proteous | Sir_Lancelot: you have to have the permissions set to be read by everyone | 20:25 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, ok, gamedev sucks) | 20:26 |
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| Proteous | the filebrowser will find it if you are connected to the network | 20:26 |
| dev | Sir_Lancelot: not all things get better by repeating - install an UPnP server on your PC and you are done | 20:26 |
| Sir_Lancelot | but my n900 can't even see the pc with sahred folders | 20:26 |
| Sir_Lancelot | filebrowser???? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | Sir_Lancelot: no samba in fremantle. | 20:26 |
| Sir_Lancelot | it's already installed, dev | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | as in, it's not included in the default UI | 20:27 |
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| jebba | no SMB/CIF in kernel either | 20:27 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, but at least it was romantic idea) | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: not sure it ever was though | 20:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: there are several semi-solution to that | 20:28 |
| FoggeR | .. where hell are the "edit" button @forums?... | 20:28 |
| RST38h | solutions, sorry | 20:28 |
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| dev | Sir_Lancelot: then there are several options - no multicast routing on your network, a firewall on your xp,... | 20:28 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, ad support?) | 20:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: 1) as at least $9.99 per copy | 20:28 |
| RST38h | ask, shit, I can no longer tupe right | 20:28 |
| oscillik | can anyone offer any help please? | 20:28 |
| Sir_Lancelot | is there an explorer that would let broswse through all pc,s shared inside my personal local network? | 20:28 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: i have no clue pre-fremantle. I've only had this thing 18 days so far ;) | 20:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: 2) make an engine, then start releasing games based on the same engine, only changing artwork and some logic | 20:29 |
| GAN900 | #maemo-support indeed. Yeesh | 20:29 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, yeah, that was my idea) | 20:29 |
| dev | Sir_Lancelot: http://coherence-project.org/wiki/UPnP-Inspector | 20:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: 3) start selling in-game items | 20:29 |
| jebba | oscillik: try with gnulinux. | 20:29 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, well, that will work for online games | 20:30 |
| jebba | odin_: SDK set up for you. I emailed details. | 20:30 |
| matan | smbfs module here: http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/n900/smbfs.ko mount still missing. | 20:30 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, like shooters | 20:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: not necessarily | 20:30 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, everything else can be cracked) | 20:30 |
| odin_ | back in a few hours going mobile | 20:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: See, what you sell is basically an integer that is a solution to some equation, differing from one user to the other | 20:30 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Do not need online for that | 20:31 |
| jebba | matan: that module won't work either though: "FATAL: Error inserting smbfs (/lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/smbfs.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)" most likely at least. You tried it? | 20:31 |
| RST38h | wazd: of course everything can be cracked, but as long as it is not easily cracked, you have got some market for it | 20:31 |
| FoggeR | really, does that community site have edit button for posts?... | 20:31 |
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| matan | jebba: It inserted on my N900. | 20:31 |
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| matan | jebba: What symbols are missing? | 20:32 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=428137&postcount=167 hum | 20:32 |
| jebba | matan: were you using the stock kernel or one you rebuilt? | 20:32 |
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| wazd_n801 | RST38h, my thought was: or super-simple puzzles for 1-2 bucks or real console-grade rpg/arcades for 10-20-30 bucks | 20:35 |
| MrTratta | I got a upnp server running on my computer (coherence [-python]) and I don't think my n900 can see it either | 20:35 |
| matan | jebba: One that I rebuilt, but only changes in config are in network area, should not affect file systems. This kernel was compiled with smbfs disabled, and the module was enabled and compiled later. | 20:35 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, you can also sell addons | 20:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: As I said, anything <$10 does not pay off =( | 20:36 |
| RST38h | You have to sell hundreds of these | 20:36 |
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| jebba | matan: if you try that module in a stock kernel it won't insert and will give the error pasted above. | 20:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: As to console-grade rpg or arcade, who is going to have time to work on this? | 20:36 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, well, noone will buy tetris for 10 bucks) | 20:37 |
| jebba | matan: same is true for modules like NAT. | 20:37 |
| Lantizia | matan, I love you... I love you so much | 20:37 |
| Lantizia | matan, how new is that module? lol - been after that | 20:37 |
| matan | jebba: I am not sure you are correct. What are the errors displayed in dmesg? | 20:37 |
| dev | MrTratta: I've 'only' a 810, but that's working fine here | 20:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: true | 20:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: so it should be something new, not another tetris | 20:37 |
| RST38h | something addictive and with cool graphics | 20:38 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, pentetris! :D | 20:38 |
| matan | jebba: nat is very different. Enabling it changes the kernel ABI (some structs that modules use become larger) so you can't mix. There is no such problem with smbfs or cifs. | 20:38 |
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| wazd_n801 | RST38h, what about that multitask game? | 20:39 |
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| RST38h | wazd: which ones? | 20:39 |
| jebba | matan: ok, try it with stock kernel. | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd_n801: As I noted on talk - I'm unlikely to purchase many games. A decent port of nethack maybe :) | 20:39 |
| matan | I just found that included mount works with cifs: http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/n900/cifs.ko | 20:39 |
| jebba | matan: see: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/TESTS/modprobe-test.log | 20:39 |
| wazd_n801 | SpeedEvil, vulture's eye, free | 20:40 |
| jebba | matan: those tests are done against a stock kernel | 20:40 |
| jebba | with those modules enabled | 20:40 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kongregate.com%2Fgames%2FIcyLime%2Fmultitask&ei=n28uS6mKGZrumgPx6Yz1CA&usg=AFQjCNFl1yVxeACslxAP-56hocUWAQ5x3A&sig2=EYp5-TWSsGTmw3Wb4rxGHQ | 20:40 |
| wazd_n801 | meh | 20:41 |
| wazd_n801 | sorry) | 20:41 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd_n801: I hate it, it's useless. | 20:41 |
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| matan | jebba: The messages tell you "see dmesg", where there are more verbose error messages. And those modules are different. Enabling those modules changes the kernel image as well. Enabling cifs does not change the kernel. | 20:42 |
| wazd_n801 | SpeedEvil, VE? | 20:42 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I find it utterly unsuable, compared to text | 20:42 |
| wazd_n801 | SpeedEvil, meh :D | 20:42 |
| * ShadowJK whines whine whines: garage is slow | 20:43 | |
| SpeedEvil | This may or may not make me somewhat strange. | 20:43 |
| jebba | matan: cifs and smbfs were tested too. I'm just suggesting you try them with a stock kernel..... | 20:43 |
| Proteous | ohb it does | 20:44 |
| Aranel | E: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user. | 20:44 |
| Lantizia | wazd_n801, i love that game :D you've got me hooked | 20:44 |
| Aranel | i did adduser -G sbox aranel | 20:44 |
| wazd_n801 | Lantizia, yeah | 20:44 |
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| Aranel | so it should work :/ | 20:44 |
| matan | jebba: I don't have a second N900, so changing to a kernel I can't use is out of the question. | 20:44 |
| Lantizia | so do either of these smbfs/cifs.ko modules work with stock N900? | 20:44 |
| Proteous | Lantizia was eaten by a grue | 20:45 |
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| Lantizia | I'd test it on mine but I bricked mine an hour ago lol | 20:45 |
| Lantizia | need to reflash hehe | 20:45 |
| matan | Lantizia: Try cifs.ko and tell me. | 20:45 |
| jebba | matan: ok. Just letting you know ;) | 20:45 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, see?) Proper port will rock) | 20:45 |
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| Lantizia | matan, ok will in a bit when I've reflashed | 20:45 |
| Lantizia | matan, is it -meant- to work with it? i.e. was it compiled for the right kernel? | 20:45 |
| jebba | anyone got a stock kernel that can test matan's .kos? | 20:45 |
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| wazd_n801 | RST38h, with shiny visuals and powerups) | 20:46 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Well I've started by symlinking off icons as it's always a fatty and is currently bugged | 20:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Not too bad, just a little sluggish reading the icon cache | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd_n801: | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | i think apps are probably better for most sole devs than games | 20:49 |
| matan | Lantizia: It is supposed to work with a standard kernel. | 20:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | A game is a lot of work | 20:50 |
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| wazd_n801 | SpeedEvil, you think wrong :D | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless it's a really trivial game | 20:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | wazd_n801: I mean from a time in to cash out ratio | 20:50 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Icons dir go boom, from 88% of munched root to 85% | 20:51 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | microb-engine tut tut :D | 20:52 |
| timeless | does anyone here have stopish installed (from testing)? | 20:53 |
| wazd_n801 | SpeedEvil, will not work for linux | 20:53 |
| wazd_n801 | SpeedEvil, 99% apps are free | 20:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: could you give me direct url? (can't cut&paste multilines) | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n801: maemo's a different ballgame though.. not that many people will be oss freaks | 20:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | wazd_n801: yes, and no. | 20:54 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, http://www.kongregate.com/games/IcyLime/multitask | 20:55 |
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| RST38h | aha | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd_n801: deliver polished app for my desires, and | 20:55 |
| * timeless is going to miss the beginning of spiderman3 :( | 20:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | I may be wqilling to pay. | 20:55 |
| * Gadgetoid_mbp does mv microb-engine /home/reclaim/usr/share | 20:56 | |
| SpeedEvil | wazd_n801: even if there is a free alternative that sort-of-works | 20:56 |
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| timeless | gadgetoid: you understand it's used by conversations and friends, right? | 20:56 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yes, I had the sense to symlink it | 20:57 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Microb still works | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | i may be unique of course. | 20:57 |
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| * timeless shrugs | 20:57 | |
| Lantizia | why not just symlink the entirity of /usr !? | 20:57 |
| * SpeedEvil is currently typing with gloveslk so suffe3ring intermitternt re3turn | 20:57 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Things are just a little bit sluggish | 20:57 |
| Lantizia | ln -s /home/usr /usr | 20:57 |
| dreamer_ | look what I just found :) http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/ogre-3d-with-opengles-render-system/ | 20:57 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | MIght esplode Lantizia, I'm playing it safe | 20:57 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | The phone can boot without microb-engine :D | 20:57 |
| Lantizia | lol ok | 20:57 |
| timeless | lantizia: some parts of usr are *probably* needed before /home is mounted | 20:58 |
| Lantizia | timeless, like? | 20:58 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But, by god, canola is essential | 20:58 |
| * timeless shrugs | 20:58 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Who the fuck knows, Lantizia, linux is a mess | 20:58 |
| Lantizia | hehe | 20:58 |
| Lantizia | well when I reflash I'm trying to move usr again - the whole thing lol | 20:58 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | You've moved the whole thing then? | 20:58 |
| Lantizia | I will try once I reflash | 20:58 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | I find that moving things to /home introduces a performance hit on first load | 20:59 |
| Lantizia | i did things in the wrong order before hehe | 20:59 |
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| * timeless looks for the reflect themer | 20:59 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | OF apps, that is, not the system itself | 20:59 |
| Lantizia | how can I test the front camera? | 20:59 |
| timeless | lantizia: "mirror" | 20:59 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | camwhore :P | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: 'mirror'] in extrras-devel | 21:00 |
| Lantizia | theres an app called mirror eh? | 21:00 |
| timeless | but don't expect stellar results | 21:00 |
| Lantizia | ok | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: or mp0layer -tv | 21:00 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Nao! It might not be optified | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ; mp | 21:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | mplayer tv | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | argh | 21:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -fps 25 | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | or similar | 21:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: for some reason, I am not impressed with the game =( | 21:03 |
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| RST38h | maybe simply not my type... | 21:03 |
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| wazd_n801 | RST38h, maybe) | 21:03 |
| Lantizia | im hungry... anyone fancy pizza? | 21:03 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, looks like we've found the engine) | 21:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ogre? | 21:04 |
| ShadowJK | wtf doesn't tmo allow .patch files | 21:04 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, yep | 21:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: well, dunno... | 21:04 |
| * timeless is enjoying chinese food | 21:04 | |
| RST38h | afaik, ogre is some very oss engine that nobody ever wrote a playable game with | 21:04 |
| RST38h | may be worng of course | 21:04 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, well, at least we can try to make some super simple sokoban for test | 21:06 |
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| RST38h | 3d sokoban? | 21:06 |
| * timeless is enjoying chinese food | 21:06 | |
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| wazd_n801 | RST38h, why not?) | 21:08 |
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| wazd_n801 | timeless_mbp, you've already said that) | 21:08 |
| siriusnova | you know after playing with an android phone for the day | 21:08 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | timeless: I envy you, I wanted to order a curry | 21:08 |
| siriusnova | its amazing how locked down it is | 21:08 |
| siriusnova | and how open my N900 feels | 21:08 |
| jebba | matan: if you get an answer from someone running a stock kernel can you let me know how it goes either way? thx :) | 21:08 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | siriusnova: android can be rooted to, but it's not quite so simple as sudo gainroot | 21:09 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | s/to/penis | 21:09 |
| timeless | wazd: finger slipped on my n900 | 21:09 |
| joppu | timeless_mbp: I am the reflect themer | 21:09 |
| siriusnova | Gadgetoit - yeah | 21:09 |
| SpeedEvil | n900 has many closed parts. But the 'normal' dev doesn't really hit them. | 21:09 |
| RST38h | wazd: dunno... | 21:09 |
| timeless | up and enter are too close together | 21:09 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | true timeless | 21:10 |
| timeless | joppu: install stopish | 21:10 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | but at least it's not a Motorola droid | 21:10 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, well, snake?) | 21:10 |
| timeless | gadgetoid: it hits me at least once per irc session | 21:10 |
| joppu | timeless: on my nonexistent N900? | 21:10 |
| siriusnova | you know with a google android phone the amount of data i give to google is kid of scary | 21:10 |
| siriusnova | if google turned evil, id be in a world of hurt | 21:10 |
| siriusnova | :O | 21:10 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | timeless: could be worse in a terminal session | 21:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: Nokia already has 3d snake =) | 21:11 |
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| timeless | nope | 21:11 |
| timeless | erp | 21:11 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, not on n900 :) | 21:11 |
| timeless | erp | 21:11 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | erp | 21:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: well maybe... | 21:11 |
| wazd_n801 | bark | 21:12 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Sometimes I wonder if you actually play a part in MicroB other than overseeing the thousand monkeys and keeping their typewriter ribbons up to scratch | 21:12 |
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| joppu | timeless: It should be on the way from the repairs, I have the package tracking code and all | 21:12 |
| joppu | but what's up with all these macbook users? | 21:13 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | joppu: 13" mbp is god | 21:13 |
| timeless | it's the only good hardware out there | 21:13 |
| fnordianslip | ou can tell i'm using a macbookpro due to the missing characters :) | 21:13 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Also, paying 5x more for a laptop makes me feel better about myself | 21:14 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Anyone who thinks Macs are expensive need only witness the gloriousness of the 27" iMac | 21:14 |
| wolf^ | RST38h, torchlight uses ogre and is very playable | 21:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Shit, am I arguing with myself again? | 21:14 |
| naxxatoe | well, i love my mbp, its a beautiful maschine, very slim and lightweight with decent hardware | 21:14 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, it's 3d, it's simple and I WANT REVENGE!!! | 21:14 |
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| naxxatoe | and ever since the intel switch, i can run what i want on it | 21:15 |
| joppu | *insert the obligatory argument about overpricing* | 21:15 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Do you cuddle it naxxatoe? | 21:15 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Cheers joppu... I almost feared for my sanity again there | 21:15 |
| timeless | employer pays | 21:15 |
| wazd_n801 | I want to make snake game for free! | 21:15 |
| naxxatoe | if i wouldnt care about the looks, i would have gotten a thinkpad as they have decent hardware | 21:15 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | alright for some | 21:15 |
| wazd_n801 | haaaahaha! | 21:15 |
| naxxatoe | and are robust aswell | 21:15 |
| luke-jr_ | wazd_n801: so do it | 21:15 |
| naxxatoe | Gadgetoid_mbp: only when i get cold | 21:15 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hahaha naxxatoe, too right | 21:16 |
| naxxatoe | ;) | 21:16 |
| joppu | timeless: so, did you have anything else to say to me, other than installing stopish? | 21:16 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I don't honestly believe they get hotter than any other brand of laptops, though, it's just a matter of fact that aluminium is more thermally conductive than plastic | 21:16 |
| naxxatoe | yup | 21:16 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And I've had my bollocks burnt by plenty a windows laptop anyway | 21:16 |
| naxxatoe | i was crunching some numbers yesterday | 21:16 |
| wazd_n801 | luke-jr_, as you can see - we're working on thatt) | 21:16 |
| naxxatoe | 85 degrees on cpu+gpu | 21:16 |
| naxxatoe | its a nice compact heater | 21:17 |
| naxxatoe | ;) | 21:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | That'll see you through winter | 21:17 |
| naxxatoe | also: you can cook when you turn it upside down | 21:17 |
| naxxatoe | something like eggs on the unibody ones | 21:17 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, also, gamedev is a good reason for me to learn goddammn 3d modellg :) | 21:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | We took the radiator out of one end of our living room and replaced it with an iMac | 21:17 |
| naxxatoe | nice one | 21:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | wazd_n801: trying to take on both programming and content creation might learn ya something, but you'll never finish a game :D | 21:18 |
| * sivang uses cold and silent AMD machines. Votes for non lockdown solutions | 21:18 | |
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| timeless | just install it | 21:18 |
| naxxatoe | i bought myself a new mbp 13" for christmas, the one with 4gig ram and ssd 09 | 21:18 |
| timeless | you'll see | 21:18 |
| naxxatoe | =) | 21:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Unless you make Sphere Racer, in which case the player models are... uh... spheres | 21:18 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | I want 8gb RAM in my mbp, it pages out like a motherfscker | 21:18 |
| naxxatoe | Gadgetoid_mbp: bounce (from ovi store) | 21:18 |
| naxxatoe | Gadgetoid_mbp: true | 21:18 |
| RST38h | wazd: not a good idea to learn it on n900 | 21:19 |
| naxxatoe | Gadgetoid_mbp: since i run linux on mine, this is bearable | 21:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: it is not powerful enough for decent 3d | 21:19 |
| RST38h | but will do some | 21:19 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | 24 days uptime, 68.02gb of page outs | 21:19 |
| sivang | so which repo should I enable to have that damn osso-xterm available for install on the SDK ? :) | 21:19 |
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| joppu | timeless: but my N900 is on the way from the repairs so I currently do not have it in my hands. | 21:20 |
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| wazd_n801 | RST38h, well, low-poly modelling is a good start I guess | 21:20 |
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| timeless | on my > in my | 21:20 |
| johnq | is someone willing to port this debian package to the n900: http://packages.debian.org/de/lenny/sgt-puzzles ? | 21:20 |
| johnq | these are really cool games | 21:21 |
| luke-jr_ | I want 1 GB RAM on a handheld <.< | 21:21 |
| naxxatoe | iodine would be a nice port aswell | 21:21 |
| naxxatoe | for dns tunneling ;) | 21:21 |
| phreck | heh | 21:21 |
| johnsq | luke-jr_: use better software | 21:21 |
| joppu | timeless: ok, whatever, I'll install it once I have the actual device. | 21:21 |
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| luke-jr_ | johnsq: better software does not exist | 21:21 |
| phreck | aircrack-ng seems to be working | 21:21 |
| naxxatoe | phreck: nice one | 21:22 |
| melmoth | sivang: one of those http://pastebin.com/m63f0f60c | 21:22 |
| luke-jr_ | johnsq: it will be a decade before I have enough children trained to program capable of writing replacements for everything sucky | 21:22 |
| phreck | if we can get msf going it would be pretty awesome | 21:22 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I want 1 GB RAM in a handheld | 21:22 |
| phreck | so get an N900 | 21:22 |
| sivang | Gadgetoid_mbp: use better software, see google-chrome :) | 21:22 |
| johnsq | luke-jr_: lol, make more childs. with 12 they are good developers | 21:23 |
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| luke-jr_ | phreck: N900 has 256 MB RAM, 1/4 of that | 21:23 |
| luke-jr_ | johnsq: like I said, that will take a decade. | 21:23 |
| sivang | it turned my netbook back to a development machine ! :) | 21:23 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | sivang: I use too much software | 21:23 |
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| phreck | ahaha dont forget about the vram | 21:23 |
| luke-jr_ | johnsq: and even in a decade, probably only 7 or so will be decent enough coders | 21:23 |
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| luke-jr_ | phreck: swap is not RAM | 21:23 |
| phreck | im on my n900@now. i know the specs | 21:23 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Wrong phreck is wrong | 21:23 |
| naxxatoe | Gadgetoid_mbp: actually he is right | 21:23 |
| naxxatoe | swap is not ramm | 21:23 |
| phreck | oh. trolls. nm. | 21:24 |
| naxxatoe | no matter how you twist and turn it | 21:24 |
| luke-jr_ | naxxatoe: phreck is the one saying it is RAM | 21:24 |
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| phreck | lolsauce | 21:24 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | *facepalm* | 21:24 |
| naxxatoe | unless your swap is a partition in your ram (using ramfs or so) | 21:24 |
| phreck | calm down girls | 21:24 |
| naxxatoe | but i dont see that | 21:24 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | naxxatoe: wouldn't that be the most irrelevant thing ever? | 21:24 |
| naxxatoe | true | 21:24 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | swap in RAM, for extra fast swap... | 21:24 |
| naxxatoe | but it would be good fun ;) | 21:24 |
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| luke-jr_ | while calling it 'memory' might avoid the false advertising lawsuit, calling it 'RAM' is blatently false advertising | 21:24 |
| luke-jr_ | Gadgetoid_mbp: actually, no | 21:25 |
| luke-jr_ | Linux 2.6.33 adds support for swap in RAM | 21:25 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | What happens if your RAM gets swapped into swap, does your swap get swapped into swap because it's in ram? | 21:25 |
| luke-jr_ | compressed | 21:25 |
| naxxatoe | true | 21:25 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Ooo, compressed... RAM + multicore + compression > disk | 21:25 |
| naxxatoe | but that cuts performance | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | RAM is random access memory, no matter if it's virtual or not | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:25 |
| phreck | o other phones use swap? | 21:25 |
| luke-jr_ | Stskeeps: per that literal definition, every hard disk is RAM | 21:26 |
| sivang | just for those with the craving for the hardware, could you believe this is my development machine? http://www.netbookchoice.com/2009/09/07/hp-compaq-mini-311c-ion-powered-11-6”-netbook/ | 21:26 |
| sivang | and I do Zope/Plone development on it as well... | 21:26 |
| phreck | no, every hard disk can be usedc as such | 21:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | sivang: Pain, pain, PAIN | 21:26 |
| naxxatoe | i develop on a eeepc 8(first generation) | 21:26 |
| sivang | Gadgetoid_mbp: why pain ? | 21:26 |
| naxxatoe | look that up | 21:26 |
| luke-jr_ | sivang: obviously it depends on how much swap you configure | 21:26 |
| naxxatoe | should be the 701 model | 21:26 |
| naxxatoe | no more comments ;) | 21:26 |
| jebba | hmm, the pulseaudio site doesn't have a mention of portaudio and the portaudio site doesn't have a mention of pulseaudio.... Anyone know if portaudio can be a happy client of pulseaudio on n900? | 21:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | sivang: I envy your tolerance for pain, but I can barely work on a 1920x1200 display much less anything else | 21:26 |
| luke-jr_ | sivang: swap is not hardware, you can configure it however you want on any device | 21:27 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | I even find 2560*1440 small now | 21:27 |
| sivang | luke-jr_: i know :) | 21:27 |
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| phreck | with the amount of physical ram in most machines now, swap doesnt get used. | 21:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Then again, I'm patently unorganised and my desktop looks like linux sneezed on it | 21:27 |
| sivang | Gadgetoid_mbp: hehe, I have no problems with small displays, I dig you man. | 21:27 |
| sivang | phreck++ | 21:27 |
| naxxatoe | 6** by 480 | 21:27 |
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| naxxatoe | no more comments | 21:27 |
| luke-jr_ | phreck: not true | 21:27 |
| sivang | I have 2gigs ram on this baby | 21:27 |
| luke-jr_ | 2 GB RAM is nothing | 21:27 |
| naxxatoe | 1 gig on my eee | 21:27 |
| luke-jr_ | I regularly use 5 GB memory | 21:27 |
| sivang | luke-jr_: what are you doing ? | 21:28 |
| phreck | for a desktop nix machine 2gigs is fine | 21:28 |
| luke-jr_ | sivang: just usual stuff | 21:28 |
| naxxatoe | but my linux from scratch runs fast as hell | 21:28 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | My biggest gripe with the 13" MBP was its slightly smaller display resolution | 21:28 |
| eitreach | using Windows. | 21:28 |
| luke-jr_ | sivang: my system is 64-bit tho | 21:28 |
| eitreach | ..alright, that was cheap. I'ma leave again. | 21:28 |
| luke-jr_ | so everything uses 2x as much | 21:28 |
| sivang | luke-jr_: define "useful stuff" | 21:28 |
| phreck | lol | 21:28 |
| luke-jr_ | sivang: browsers, text editors, IRC, etc | 21:28 |
| sivang | luke-jr_: I can assure you the SDK runs beautifully on this little machine | 21:28 |
| johnsq | luke-jr_: use 64bit pointer compression | 21:28 |
| luke-jr_ | 160 processes atm | 21:29 |
| luke-jr_ | johnsq: joke? | 21:29 |
| phreck | you use five gigs on that trash? | 21:29 |
| sivang | luke-jr_: I see | 21:29 |
| luke-jr_ | phreck: it would help if I stopped using Facebook and paying bills | 21:29 |
| johnsq | luke-jr_: no really is a llvm project | 21:29 |
| sivang | luke-jr_: how much ram can vim take ? :) | 21:29 |
| luke-jr_ | Firefox alone uses 200 MB | 21:29 |
| phreck | heh | 21:29 |
| phreck | whatever. | 21:29 |
| luke-jr_ | wait, no | 21:29 |
| luke-jr_ | 388 MB | 21:29 |
| jebba | dont feed the troll | 21:29 |
| phreck | later kids. idle time | 21:29 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hungry troll is hungry | 21:30 |
| sivang | luke-jr_: use chrome :) firefox used to bring this netbook down, but when I tossed it switched to chrome all my problems are solved and it is functioning as a desktop replacement | 21:30 |
| * luke-jr_ wonders wtf knotify4 is doing with 238 MB memory | 21:30 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Chrome is somewhat lacking Firebug | 21:30 |
| luke-jr_ | sivang: I use Konqueror. But Facebook and bill sites are too broken :( | 21:30 |
| lcuk | notifying you about LOTS of things | 21:30 |
| phreck | lcuk haha | 21:30 |
| sivang | oh well, I guess i'm just for minimalistic computing :) | 21:30 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Chrome isn't so hot for debugging ajax | 21:31 |
| luke-jr_ | sivang: Chrome isn't that minimal | 21:31 |
| sivang | Gadgetoid_mbp: true | 21:31 |
| phreck | neither is konq... | 21:31 |
| luke-jr_ | Chrome uses GTK. :( | 21:31 |
| sivang | Gadgetoid_mbp: there's nothing like firebug, and it's still only a firefox thing. | 21:31 |
| SpeedEvil | FF is potentially getting better - for a _LONG_ time there has been no way at all for entry-level devs to check memory use | 21:31 |
| sivang | luke-jr_: so is Maemo :) | 21:31 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I tend to use Safari and Firefox simultaneously, with Chrome sitting in my dock ready for action | 21:31 |
| luke-jr_ | phreck: I'm not sure it uses much more RAM than Arora. | 21:31 |
| luke-jr_ | sivang: that bug is being fixed for Maemo 6 | 21:31 |
| naxxatoe | arora is nice | 21:32 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, multitouch display? | 21:32 |
| naxxatoe | but no firebug there | 21:32 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Then I've got to restart mysql GUI tools about 40,000 times a day because they're unstable bollocks | 21:32 |
| lcuk | or dual wielding keyboard | 21:32 |
| hcarrega | damn error on extra-devel | 21:32 |
| phreck | i hope maemo6 hit the n900. | 21:32 |
| luke-jr_ | Firebug is not useful to me | 21:32 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | lcuk: Haha, more like just running at the same time doing various different things | 21:32 |
| naxxatoe | to me it is very useful | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you can swap out the resistive touch-panel on the n900 for a capacitive one | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | but that is probably silly. | 21:32 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I normally use different browsers to separate work from doss, makes it easier to window manage them | 21:32 |
| luke-jr_ | SpeedEvil: but resistive is better | 21:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr_: in some aspects | 21:33 |
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| sivang | luke-jr_: fixed? AFAIK there's is going to remain support for GTK, the introduction of Qt is for the platforms that can't run GTK. | 21:33 |
| lcuk | i quite like the idea of adding a capacitive top layer :) | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr_: I'm not really having many problems with the resistive personally. | 21:33 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | In practice the N900 would have none of the intelligence required to make sense of capacitive input, or is that all built into the panel? | 21:33 |
| cehteh | better would be a adaption of both technologies | 21:33 |
| luke-jr_ | sivang: AFAIK they're providing backward compat w/ GTK, but Maemo6 itself will be Qt4 | 21:33 |
| sivang | anyway, enough wit this trolling. Back to work. | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: there are generally ways round it - it depends on the exact details. | 21:33 |
| timeless | speedevil: by swao out, you mean replace the entire top cover | 21:33 |
| luke-jr_ | SpeedEvil: I'd rather have a non-touch LCD than resistive | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: yes - I was looking at the price list of parts - the touch panel is 55 euro | 21:34 |
| cehteh | precision of resistive, proximity and sensitivity of a capacitative | 21:34 |
| luke-jr_ | I still say best is RGBA glasses <.< | 21:34 |
| lcuk | resistance is futile | 21:34 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I find the resistive screen on the N900 to be shockingly sensitive | 21:34 |
| lcuk | +9000 | 21:34 |
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| luke-jr_ | defaulting to 0% opacity of course | 21:34 |
| SpeedEvil | It gets lots less sensitive with a screen protector on at 5C ambient | 21:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | As scrolling in MicroB is beautifully smooth it far outdoes the Motorola Droid when finger scrolling | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: I found the mention that killing pulse makes stuff even smoother interesting | 21:35 |
| cehteh | what browser does android use? some java vm thing or native? | 21:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: I find that unsurprising | 21:36 |
| woglinde | cehteh webkit | 21:36 |
| luke-jr_ | cehteh: obviously Chrome? | 21:36 |
| timeless | luke: no | 21:36 |
| luke-jr_ | Google made a browser and then didn't use it? O.o | 21:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | They've barely ported it to fucking OSX yet luke-jr_ | 21:37 |
| timeless | more like they made a few related ones | 21:37 |
| cehteh | webkit answers my question partially .. means yes native .. but it needs more than webkit to build a browser | 21:37 |
| luke-jr_ | but V8's site claims it's part of Android, I think | 21:37 |
| luke-jr_ | ... | 21:37 |
| timeless | cehteh: there's a nice understatement | 21:37 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | cehteh: it's built from Webkit and the juice from an old washerwomans eye boiled for 3 days | 21:37 |
| phreck- | i hope maemo6 hits the n900. | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | phreck-: otherwise help making it happen by contributing to mer :P | 21:38 |
| timeless | v8 is a js engine | 21:38 |
| phreck- | roger | 21:38 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I hope maemo6 hits a platform infinitely more awesome than the n900 that I'll just HAVE to go out and buy | 21:38 |
| timeless | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system) | 21:38 |
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| sivang | Gadgetoid_mbp: like a successor, yes, the scrolling is a bit sluggish and iPhone folks of mine are not sure why they should try it yet..:/ | 21:39 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm dropping eggs like an incontinent chicken, my farts taste bad, they're not finger lickin' | 21:39 |
| timeless | Web browser The web browser available in Android is based on the open-source WebKit application framework. The browser scores a 93/100 on the Acid3 Test. | 21:39 |
| * lcuk doesnt have a problem with scrolling on n900 | 21:40 | |
| sivang | I like the chrome's snappiness on weak machines. | 21:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Ahhh Acid3... it's a bit like a 120x60 W3C validated graphic for browsers | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It's generally smooth, but can block occasionally. | 21:40 |
| lcuk | mind you, i didnt have a problem with scrolling on n810 either | 21:40 |
| sivang | lcuk: maybe we were demoed and old version of it at the Tel Aviv Developer Day | 21:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It clearly needs a multcore processor, with one core devoted to scrolling :) | 21:40 |
| lcuk | sivang, mmm? | 21:40 |
| * lcuk giggles | 21:40 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | rofl SpeedEvil | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: you know it's gonna happen soon though. | 21:41 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, that exists now, its called powervr | 21:41 |
| sivang | lcuk: we got some N900's not sure which software version it had on, and finger scrolling was very sluggish, people also complained the UI is unintuitive. | 21:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | The UI has some issues. | 21:41 |
| lcuk | i dunno sivang ive had quite a few versions of maemo for a while | 21:41 |
| lcuk | when was tel aviv stuff? | 21:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | But I'm not sure you can have any meaningful completely intuitive interface | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | the nipple. | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, that. | 21:42 |
| sivang | lcuk: not long ago, the problem is that the local representative was the one doing the demos and providing the machines | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | But the n900 has no nipple. | 21:42 |
| lcuk | the n910 will have one | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | More seriously, I would like a device that's popularly known as another bodypart. | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | apropos scrolling. Is there a config somewhere to adjust the "friction" that's determining how long balistic scroll will continue? | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | The trackpoint(tm) | 21:43 |
| lcuk | lol DocScrutinizer51 | 21:43 |
| lcuk | it should last as long as you move it | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | heh? | 21:43 |
| * lcuk wants things sliding on baconfat | 21:43 | |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: it lasts longer than that | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: open a long list, flick finger across it | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: it carries on | 21:43 |
| sivang | lcuk: http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/news/article.asp?docKey=600-200912031948KRTRIB__BUSNEWS_17393-17UJ49HHRP9V86EVI8EVDK4JI6¶ms=timestamp||12/03/2009%207:48%20PM%20ET||headline||Nokia%20seeks%20application%20developers%20in%20Israel:%20Nokia's%20applications%20strategy%20focuses%20on%20its%20huge%20number%20of%20customers%20compared%20with%20Apple's%20iPhone%20and%20Google's%20Android%20customers.%20[Globes,%20Tel%20Aviv,%20Israe | 21:44 |
| lcuk | yeah SpeedEvil i know | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: I,m talking about balistic scrolling on N900 | 21:44 |
| lcuk | and yeah so am i | 21:44 |
| sivang | my god, bussinessweek need to get shorter URLs! | 21:44 |
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| lcuk | i wonder when i became a n00b again | 21:44 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, SpeedEvil i was doing fullscreen kinetics when the n900 was just a glimmer in someones eye ;) | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so...?? | 21:45 |
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| * SpeedEvil was doing fullscreen kinetics in 1993? | 21:46 | |
| SpeedEvil | Though it was a text reader | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: I guess you can tell me then where to adjust | 21:46 |
| phreck- | they had screens back then?? OMG. | 21:46 |
| phreck- | =P | 21:47 |
| sivang | where the hack did they put the slides, the videos and so on... | 21:47 |
| sivang | god help them. | 21:47 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Nokia seeks application developers to hang out in IRC | 21:47 |
| phreck- | haha | 21:47 |
| * SpeedEvil is slightly dissapointed in video+flashlight performance. | 21:48 | |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not useless, but at under a meter it peters out. | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | may be tweakable to lower fps, or maybe not | 21:48 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, theres not just one place to change for the entire system and no option yet because the metrics arent all the same between kinetic implementations | 21:49 |
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| kaudio | hi | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: well for now I was happy with a way to tune it for microb | 21:49 |
| sivang | Gadgetoid_mbp: heh | 21:50 |
| kaudio | im happy owner n810 | 21:50 |
| kaudio | but | 21:50 |
| kaudio | i need wvdial in it | 21:50 |
| oscillik | looks like i'm going to have to take my N900 back to the Nokia Store | 21:50 |
| oscillik | :( | 21:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | oscillik: ? | 21:51 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, then file a bug, theres no way for developers to know what users consider wrong unless they monitor every communication channel, so help them out and give them a report that might actually end up being seen by someone who can do something about it | 21:51 |
| RST38h | "A magocracy is a form of government in which society is ruled by such magi, wizards, or witches." | 21:51 |
| RST38h | hm | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | oscillik: why? | 21:51 |
| bongo|kup | hey, i would like to develop an app during christmas so i don't have to spend much time with my family :D maybe a diary ... would someone use such an app? | 21:51 |
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| oscillik | i can't get anything to see the handset when i try to reflash it | 21:52 |
| kaudio | anyone know install wvdial in n810 | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | oscillik: 64-bit windows? | 21:52 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | bongo|kup: a diary... OF PORN? | 21:52 |
| oscillik | Windows 7 32bit, Windows 7 64bit, Ubuntu 9.10 | 21:52 |
| oscillik | none of them will see it | 21:52 |
| sivang | Gadgetoid_mbp: I take it you are also a Nokian ? | 21:52 |
| lcuk | bongo|kup, i use a diary, i write in it every day | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | oscillik: and the "plug usb into computer, plug usb into device, plug in battery" doesn't work? | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: thanks for the warm word. My question was a simple 'is there a config setting' though | 21:53 |
| oscillik | Stskeeps: what? | 21:53 |
| lcuk | no, file a bug | 21:53 |
| lcuk | same answer | 21:53 |
| kaudio | anyone know install wvdial in n810 | 21:53 |
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| lcuk | oscillik, remove the battery from n900, connect the usb to computer and to the n900, open up the flasher and get it so its saying "no device found. checking.." then plug battery into n900 | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | see how well that works | 21:54 |
| lcuk | oh, and make sure you run flasher with sudo | 21:55 |
| lcuk | or as root | 21:55 |
| oscillik | lcuk: plug the USB cable into the N900 without the battery in? | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: what,s that bug? 'there is no place I accidentally dropped by mentioning that config I was lookin for' ?? | 21:55 |
| * lcuk cursed that damned thing for a while | 21:55 | |
| sivang | btw guys, would you believe that - (it's 5 minutes walk from my apartment) | 21:55 |
| lcuk | yes oscillik | 21:55 |
| sivang | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sportpalace.co.il/Pics/nokia/history/NewNokia1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sportpalaces.co.il/data_eng.asp%3Fid%3D2%26status%3D13&usg=__Q_GE8kHFdGU5yMMSi0h5Zcgccok=&h=480&w=640&sz=74&hl=en&start=4&sig2=wEwRb3U1scroRVNIhqsTmA&tbnid=9b2TAxkuOMJGUM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnokia%2Bhall%2Btel%2Baviv%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den&ei=34AuS9KQDcP3-AbPj4SPBg | 21:55 |
| sivang | ;) | 21:55 |
| kaudio | anyone know install wvdial in n810 | 21:55 |
| hcarrega | extra-dev is with problms today? | 21:55 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, ok, enhancement request | 21:55 |
| oscillik | lcuk: thanks, i'll try that. i'm hoping i don't have to spend the train fare to get to Manchester again, it's not exactly cheap :( | 21:55 |
| hcarrega | no hash error | 21:55 |
| lcuk | oscillik, manchester uk? | 21:55 |
| sivang | kaudio: sudo apt-get install wvdial ? | 21:56 |
| oscillik | lcuk: yep | 21:56 |
| lcuk | where are you now | 21:56 |
| oscillik | Widnes, Cheshire | 21:56 |
| timeless_mbp | oops, it was spiderman 2, not 3 | 21:56 |
| RST38h | "Described as humanoid hedgehogs who ride giant roosters, the hotchi live primarily in the great forest outside New Crobuzon called Rudewood." | 21:56 |
| lcuk | heh theres not quite so much snow over htere | 21:56 |
| * timeless_mbp watches him tumble | 21:56 | |
| RST38h | eek | 21:56 |
| kaudio | sivang apt dont install wvdial | 21:57 |
| oscillik | lcuk: yeah, we had some ice this morning but that's all gone now. my day has just been made infinitely fail due to my friend essentially killing my N900 though :( | 21:57 |
| lcuk | bah | 21:57 |
| lcuk | i was meant the drive over your way earlier | 21:57 |
| lcuk | but the m60 was closed o_O | 21:57 |
| kaudio | anyone know install wvdial and smbfs in n810 | 21:58 |
| oscillik | oh great, i never thought about that - i'm probably not even going to be able to get into Manchester because the trains might be cancelled :( | 21:58 |
| * lcuk didnt fancy the idea of spending night in the car | 21:58 | |
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| lcuk | kaudio, the dialer no, and smbfs no | 21:58 |
| lcuk | but i use sshfs from my laptop iwth great effect | 21:59 |
| Lantizia | great it's bricked, now an uber geek is coming over to see it | 21:59 |
| lcuk | errr thats the other way round than you need, damn | 21:59 |
| kaudio | lcuk thanx. and what about the dialer | 22:00 |
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| oscillik | lcuk: it seems that did the trick, i owe you a pint | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | reasonable enough | 22:07 |
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| lcuk | ~flashing | 22:07 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:07 |
| SplasPood | Anyone fammilar with the state of ruby (specifically /w gnome support) under Maemo5/N900? | 22:07 |
| Shadikka | Dunno, I'm more Python people myself | 22:07 |
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| SplasPood | Shadikka: Yea, I did some python stuff to use pyS60 at one point.. Considering jumping into it again | 22:08 |
| Shadikka | Brb | 22:08 |
| lcuk | GAN900, can the flashing page be looked at as part of the documentation changes? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | cos i was just gonna update the 900 section | 22:09 |
| lcuk | but its all mixed in together | 22:09 |
| lcuk | and harder to use | 22:09 |
| RST38h | "Animal lovers were in for a second shock when instead of a mass funeral for the reindeer, Norweigian Protein Corporation volunteered to make biofuel from their carcasses." | 22:10 |
| luke-jr_ | mwaha | 22:10 |
| jebba | "E: Package libgl-dev has no installation candidate" in SDK. Is this because it is closed? hmm. | 22:10 |
| RST38h | libgles maybe? | 22:10 |
| jebba | E: Couldn't find package libgles | 22:11 |
| jebba | "Package libgl-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package." woe | 22:11 |
| woglinde | there is no libgl-dev | 22:12 |
| jebba | i think i ran into this same issue the very first day i was trying to do a package. | 22:12 |
| jebba | woglinde: ya. exactly. Didn't you hit that too? Or someone was trying to do some GL stuff. Hmm. | 22:12 |
| woglinde | yeah i tried | 22:12 |
| RST38h | hmm | 22:12 |
| RST38h | "Tapping into drones' video feeds was just the start. The U.S. military's primary system for bringing overhead surveillance down to soldiers and Marines on the ground is also vulnerable to electronic interception." | 22:12 |
| woglinde | but egl conversion is to hard for me | 22:13 |
| jebba | so basically if we need GL we're hosed? | 22:13 |
| woglinde | mostly yeah | 22:13 |
| RST38h | yep | 22:13 |
| ml-mobile | espn.com | 22:13 |
| ml-mobile | doh, wrong window | 22:13 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, GLES headers should be pretty standard | 22:14 |
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| woglinde | rst lol | 22:14 |
| jebba | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libgl-dev/ | 22:14 |
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| pupnik | Thank you unnamed hero at Nokia! Thank you for upgraded pulseaudio-utils!!!! | 22:15 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, lets make rude chineese clone called "Snacke" :D | 22:15 |
| woglinde | pupnik lol | 22:15 |
| Lantizia | Everyone loves Debian | 22:16 |
| Lantizia | Love the Debian, Love It | 22:16 |
| * pupnik so happy | 22:16 | |
| woglinde | pupnik whats noe cool? | 22:16 |
| pupnik | i think you can guess! | 22:16 |
| woglinde | only 10% proc ? | 22:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: Snack | 22:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: Where you eat humans | 22:17 |
| pupnik | got to work on christmas presents | 22:17 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, :D | 22:17 |
| pupnik | got a pot of coffee and a toefull of jam | 22:17 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, Dune worm sim :D | 22:17 |
| RST38h | wazd: Tremors sim, yes | 22:17 |
| GiantTalkingCow | wazd_n801: You know, I've never understood the point of cloning phones. They don't fool anyone, and they don't work as well as what they're imitating. Why not put that same effort into making your own phone that'll sell on its own merits? | 22:17 |
| wazd_n801 | GiantTalkingCow, they fool everyone in China | 22:18 |
| wazd_n801 | GiantTalkingCow, and non techie old people | 22:18 |
| RST38h | wazd: Where you get to be the graboid, the shrieker, and the ass-blaster! | 22:18 |
| GiantTalkingCow | wazd_n801: Not in my experience. The chinese prefer to buy certain non-brandname phones not because they're knockoffs, but because they have some cool features built in that major carriers ignore. | 22:19 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, difficulty levels :D | 22:19 |
| sivang | hmm, so I'm trying to install osso-xterm on the SDK, and can't find it in the utilities section of the app-manager, I believe I Have the required repos configured in sources.list | 22:19 |
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| melmoth | sivang: worked for me | 22:20 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, damn, that's a nice idea bout sandworms :D | 22:20 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, and you're eating harvesters) | 22:20 |
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| sivang | melmoth: odd | 22:21 |
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| RST38h | wazd: you are eating FARMERS *with* harvester | 22:21 |
| RST38h | s | 22:21 |
| pupnik | sivang: when i cant find things i usually hit http://gronmayer.com/it | 22:21 |
| melmoth | sivang: what about run-standalone.sh osso-xterm ? | 22:22 |
| RST38h | wazd: Sometimes, a farmer may get away, then you eat his harvester first and run after him | 22:22 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, hehee, now we have a concept :D | 22:22 |
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| melmoth | sivang: ahhh, got it, you do not have problem laucnihng it but installing it.... i just did apt-get install osso-xterm | 22:23 |
| jebba | I don't see any pulseaudio updates (?) | 22:23 |
| sivang | melmoth: yes, but it seems I am missing plain 'extras' | 22:23 |
| sivang | I had extras-devel and confused ti for 'extras' | 22:23 |
| sivang | thanks folks | 22:23 |
| sivang | pupnik: you specifically | 22:23 |
| sivang | :) | 22:23 |
| sivang | is there a tool to configure software sources altogether ? | 22:24 |
| jebba | ah just -utils ? | 22:24 |
| sivang | (instead of adding them manually) | 22:24 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, damn, now I'm excited :) | 22:24 |
| woglinde | sivang download manager you can edit stuff | 22:24 |
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| pupnik | yw | 22:24 |
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| RST38h | wazd: There was a game called Battalion, it had the shortest user manual I have avere seen | 22:25 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Here's an interesting question: has anyone ever seen a Nokia knockoff phone in person? | 22:25 |
| RST38h | wazd: went like this: "You are a giant fire breathing monster. You know what to do." | 22:25 |
| rashed2020 | I have | 22:25 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, pew-pew?) | 22:25 |
| pupnik | There was that phone-in-person in Batman | 22:26 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Batman? | 22:26 |
| sivang | jebba: that's my sources.list http://pastie.org/751023 | 22:26 |
| pupnik | yeah the joker sewed one into this guy | 22:26 |
| sivang | jebba: is there a authoritative page for the different available repos one can add per release? | 22:26 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, we sould definitely work it out | 22:26 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Oh yeah, I remember that. Never really paid attention to the phone brand, though. | 22:27 |
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| sivang | jebba: if that's missing let's create one. | 22:27 |
| sivang | jebba: the page I found on the wiki did not mention those. | 22:28 |
| sivang | jebba: had only mentioned the stock ones that come with the SDK, which is not that useful. | 22:28 |
| jebba | sivang: i'm not quite sure what you're talking about actually. | 22:29 |
| jebba | if what's missing? | 22:29 |
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| sivang | jebba: several repos urls :) | 22:29 |
| jebba | ah, you mean nokia binaries for GL? or somethign? | 22:30 |
| sivang | jebba: everything, we should have a page that lists every repo and what it contains. | 22:31 |
| woglinde | jebba for gles stuff you need a personalized deb line in sources.list | 22:31 |
| Lantizia | anyone got the wiki link for the guide on reflashing? | 22:31 |
| jebba | ya, i just build with free software though, so kind of a no-go for me.... | 22:31 |
| woglinde | ~flasher | 22:31 |
| Lantizia | and that page has the link to the page where you type your IMEI | 22:31 |
| infobot | methinks flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 22:31 |
| Lantizia | no thats not it, been there | 22:31 |
| woglinde | ~flashing | 22:32 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, as a "tail" we can have dust clouds) | 22:32 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:32 |
| Lantizia | aha! | 22:32 |
| woglinde | *g* | 22:32 |
| Lantizia | thanks! | 22:32 |
| woglinde | ~curse slowness fo maemo.org | 22:32 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, slowness fo maemo.org ! | 22:32 |
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| sivang | hmm maemo.org got terribly slow suddenly | 22:33 |
| redeeman | its always slow | 22:33 |
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| woglinde | redeeman hm today is terrible | 22:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: well, there are other sources of proteion | 22:33 |
| RST38h | protein | 22:34 |
| sivang | ? http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search[1][property]=title&org_openpsa_products_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[1][value]=osso-xterm&org_openpsa_products_search[2][property]=os&org_openpsa_products_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[2][value]=Maemo5&fetch=Search | 22:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: policemen (with cars), cattle, picnic goers (with tables) | 22:34 |
| * sivang gives up | 22:34 | |
| rashed2020 | Is there a list of what parts of Maemo are open source and parts aren't? | 22:34 |
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| pupnik | hehe apt-get install needs a pty to write logfile | 22:36 |
| RST38h | and ptys are currently scarce? | 22:37 |
| pupnik | 4 terminals open on n900 is default | 22:37 |
| woglinde | jebba you can try http://opensource.dylogic.com/DOGLESS/Articles/About.html | 22:37 |
| pupnik | 4 ptys rather | 22:37 |
| Lantizia | Hey I want to TOTALLY erase my N900... I have downloaded the UK combined flash... and the vanilla eMMC ... what do I need to rescue from my existing eMMC that doesn't come with the vanilla one?! | 22:37 |
| RST38h | btw, I have just figured it that the ugly "playing" animation in Media Player can be easily changed | 22:38 |
| pupnik | our library situation is a good deal better than 2007 | 22:38 |
| Lantizia | is there perhaps a complete list of what the vanilla eMMC is missing? | 22:38 |
| jebba | libhildon_lgpl anyone know if there is a new replacement for that? | 22:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: got any nice little animation to show that the music is playing? | 22:38 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, beating speaker?) | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | rashed2020: will publish one in the new year | 22:39 |
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| jebba | woglinde: will take a look at it, thx (later) | 22:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: will do | 22:40 |
| woglinde | jebba I will try it too | 22:40 |
| woglinde | for performous | 22:40 |
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| RST38h | wazd: has to have 3 phases (+ 1 for paused), 64x64 | 22:40 |
| woglinde | jebba I just forgot there exist such thinks | 22:40 |
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| wazd_n801 | RST38h, animated? | 22:40 |
| RST38h | yea, in 3 phases | 22:40 |
| AakashPatel | Hey whats different about the Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 compared to US and middle east | 22:40 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, oh | 22:41 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, that's kinda lame animmation :D | 22:41 |
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| RST38h | it is a replacement for that stupid ugly animated media player icon on n900 | 22:41 |
| GiantTalkingCow | AakashPatel: Language support, perhaps? | 22:41 |
| jebba | woglinde: ok you go for it, i'm queueing up a few things now ;) | 22:41 |
| RST38h | wazd: well does not have to be fancy, small and unobtrusive rather | 22:41 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, I thouught it was a real spectrum analyser | 22:42 |
| RST38h | no, it is a stupid animated icon | 22:42 |
| RST38h | and an ugly one for that | 22:42 |
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| kejiaj1 | Hello | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | AakashPatel: wifi policy | 22:44 |
| AakashPatel | Oh | 22:44 |
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| AakashPatel | Does Global let you do more shiz then the others then? | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | AakashPatel: just a guess | 22:46 |
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| AakashPatel | oh | 22:46 |
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| * melmoth wonders what the _mpg suffix stand for. | 22:51 | |
| rashed2020 | megapigsel | 22:51 |
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| melmoth | gruble, i menat the _mbp one that people put at the end of their nick | 22:51 |
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| rashed2020 | macbook pro | 22:52 |
| melmoth | ahhh. | 22:52 |
| melmoth | all those people use mac book pro ? :) | 22:52 |
| rashed2020 | How many are there?? | 22:53 |
| melmoth | i dont know exactly but i keep seeing the _mbp suffix now and then | 22:53 |
| melmoth | enough to make me wonder what it was anyway | 22:53 |
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| wazd_n801 | maemo bug pwner | 22:54 |
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| AakashPatel | <-haz mbp | 22:55 |
| AakashPatel | but im too cool for mbp suffix | 22:55 |
| AakashPatel | hehe | 22:55 |
| PaulFertser | Man Bear Pig that is. | 22:56 |
| woglinde | lol | 22:56 |
| wazd_n801 | macbook automaticaly adds _mbp to your nick | 22:56 |
| wazd_n801 | lol | 22:56 |
| * wazd_n801 rofls | 22:57 | |
| wazd_n801 | bingo) | 22:57 |
| wazd_n801 | AakashPatel, so you don't own one obviously | 22:57 |
| wazd_n801 | sent from my iphone | 22:58 |
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| Aakash_mpb | dammit | 22:58 |
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| wazd_n801 | AakashPatel, fail) | 23:00 |
| wazd_n801 | AakashPatel, you have mmbp ripoff :D | 23:01 |
| AakashPatel | haah | 23:01 |
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| AakashPatel | waiting for rashed2020 to brick is n900 | 23:04 |
| AakashPatel | erm | 23:04 |
| AakashPatel | wrong window | 23:04 |
| woglinde | lol | 23:05 |
| rashed2020 | Bastard | 23:05 |
| AakashPatel | Heheh | 23:05 |
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| pupnik | what's the word? | 23:10 |
| oscillik | bird | 23:10 |
| fnordianslip | huh? | 23:11 |
| oscillik | oooma mow mow, oooma ooom mow mow mow | 23:11 |
| fnordianslip | lol | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok. I'll give roaming and xchat speed reconnect another try... | 23:11 |
| AakashPatel | what does the EMMC file on the download page have in it? | 23:12 |
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| RST38h | stuff | 23:12 |
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| AakashPatel | maps and crap? | 23:12 |
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| woglinde | ags | 23:19 |
| woglinde | args | 23:19 |
| woglinde | no git in fremantle | 23:19 |
| lcuk | woglinde, the diablo one works | 23:19 |
| lcuk | and i saw something from autobuilder about it | 23:19 |
| lcuk | hold on | 23:19 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, the same instructions apply to all devices, really. | 23:20 |
| GAN900 | Which is why they're mixed | 23:20 |
| GAN900 | At least last time I updated it it was appropriate. | 23:20 |
| lcuk | yeah, but the intructions about removing battery work nicely for everyone who fails that | 23:20 |
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| sivang | so it appears the tem is only available from diablo, was that so hard to say? :) | 23:22 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=git | 23:22 |
| sivang | porting it to fremantle could be helpful? I\m in for it as my first package | 23:23 |
| lcuk | woglinde, those are the git items in fremantle atm, not sure how stable, at least git-core seems empty right now | 23:23 |
| sivang | (well, not first deb package, but first maemo package) | 23:23 |
| lcuk | and git itself has just finished building (its in the recent builds list) | 23:23 |
| lcuk | the problem with diablo git-core (which is what i use) is it cannot update https | 23:24 |
| lcuk | hopefully that limitation will be cure | 23:24 |
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| sivang | lcuk: missing a transpport plugin ? | 23:24 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | cos of other dependency problems with it | 23:24 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, I think we'll need some place to discuss details of the project | 23:25 |
| wazd_n801 | RST38h, forum or something | 23:25 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 23:26 |
| timeless_mbp | the Finnish news service showed a guy in New York who was happy about the snow because... "and I get to ski" | 23:26 |
| woglinde | hi timeless | 23:26 |
| johnq_ | I packaged "Simon Tantham's Puzzles": http://fractalmind.de/stuff/sgt-puzzles_8605-1ubuntu1_armel.deb | 23:27 |
| timeless_mbp | hello | 23:27 |
| woglinde | johnq cool | 23:27 |
| woglinde | I like them | 23:27 |
| johnq_ | If anybody wants to try out. They could be optified, but actually I don't really know how to do that... | 23:27 |
| woglinde | when I have imagemagick in extras-testing I will make 3 crosses | 23:27 |
| woglinde | johnq_ read the wiki entry | 23:27 |
| woglinde | its simple | 23:27 |
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| woglinde | gogogo maemo.org | 23:28 |
| hcarrega | i got erro on hash in extra-devel | 23:29 |
| hcarrega | no hash file\ | 23:29 |
| fnordianslip | bugger. autobuilder failed on conky with this: | 23:29 |
| fnordianslip | Failed to fetch http://osso.stage.dmz/dists/fremantle/tools/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz Could not connect to osso.stage.dmz:80 (10.5.1.102), connection timed out | 23:29 |
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| woglinde | fnordianslip yeah | 23:29 |
| woglinde | slow slow | 23:30 |
| woglinde | -> connection timed out | 23:30 |
| fnordianslip | at least i have another version queued up already :) hopefully it gets faster by then | 23:30 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: for all the git archives here: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-gnome-essentials I can't clone cuz I get: "warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout." I can clone all the other archives (e.g. maemo-af). How do I do these? | 23:30 |
| woglinde | jebba -> http://www.imgtec.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=354 | 23:31 |
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| johnq_ | woglinde: yeah, seems simple. thanks :-) | 23:34 |
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| sivang | timeless_mbp: it suddenly became very cold in here as well, if that is of some comfort :) | 23:37 |
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| sivang | oh darn, the qt-mamemo-example is also uninstallable :/ | 23:38 |
| slonopotamus | so | 23:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | sivang: my family got 16" of snow | 23:39 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: I would switch | 23:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | we have perhaps 3" here | 23:39 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: in NYC ? | 23:39 |
| timeless_mbp | my sister even got a snow day today | 23:39 |
| sivang | cool! | 23:39 |
| timeless_mbp | DC metro area | 23:39 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 23:39 | |
| johnq_ | Is there some standard place where I can put (small) changes to a debian package so that it works under maemo? should I register a garage project? | 23:39 |
| timeless_mbp | she had to shovel snow off her car | 23:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | johnq_: garage seems to be the standard approach | 23:40 |
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| sivang | I got some sand storms, acid rain, air pollution, angry people and very aggresive bus drivers and no metro | 23:40 |
| sivang | (or light train) | 23:40 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 23:40 |
| timeless_mbp | acid rain sucks | 23:40 |
| johnq_ | timeless_mbp: but wouldn't it be better to just store some diff somewhere? | 23:41 |
| GAN900 | It's even cold in FL! | 23:41 |
| sivang | my hometown is next to a refinery | 23:41 |
| lcuk | johnq_, think beyond single use, fire and forget | 23:41 |
| lcuk | setup a garage project | 23:41 |
| johnq_ | lcuk: it's just a small hack I don't want to be responsible for in the future ;-) | 23:43 |
| lcuk | so who should be responsible for it? | 23:43 |
| timeless_mbp | you could contact your upstream :) | 23:44 |
| lcuk | indeed, make the patch a generic | 23:44 |
| johnq_ | hm, optification seemed to work but there is still a (regular) file in /usr/lib/sgt-puzzles/. The same file is in /opt/maemo/usr/lib/sgt-puzzles. Shouldn't the first be a symlink to the second or am I getting something wrong here? | 23:44 |
| johnq_ | lcuk: what do you mean? | 23:45 |
| fnordianslip | so, as the autobuilder is failing to build anything, do we have to up-version our packages to get another go? | 23:45 |
| RST38h | no | 23:45 |
| derf | Not unless the autobuilder succeeds. | 23:45 |
| fnordianslip | how to we requeue our packages? | 23:45 |
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| fnordianslip | justdput them again? | 23:46 |
| derf | Yes. | 23:46 |
| fnordianslip | cheers | 23:46 |
| timeless_mbp | sure | 23:46 |
| lcuk | mmm i thought every run through autobuilder needs new versions! | 23:46 |
| derf | You have to delete the .upload file. | 23:46 |
| RST38h | thumbnailer is a bitch | 23:46 |
| derf | lcuk: Surprise. | 23:46 |
| fnordianslip | ah. ok | 23:46 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Guh I hate cost/time estimates | 23:46 |
| lcuk | i use the web interface | 23:46 |
| lcuk | never seen a .upload file | 23:46 |
| RST38h | you make a photo, and it hangs your device so that the next photo takes 5-10 seconds to take | 23:46 |
| derf | lcuk: You would have if you used dput like fnordianslip. | 23:47 |
| sivang | lcuk: you should :) | 23:47 |
| sivang | lcuk: it's fun | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: nice it? | 23:48 |
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| * sivang morns the loss of cinamon for his quaker oats. | 23:48 | |
| lcuk | "fun" and the console are never involved in the same activity | 23:48 |
| sivang | hehe | 23:48 |
| derf | That's just your Windows-user bias showing. | 23:48 |
| sivang | for me , a conslole is part of feeling at home on a computer | 23:49 |
| derf | I think the same thing about web interfaces. | 23:49 |
| sivang | wihout it, I'm lost | 23:49 |
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| * Arkenoi tries to think out *what* causes recorder to crash on my n900. must be a software conflict of some kind. | 23:49 | |
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| derf | A thousand times more things to go wrong, and no way to get feedback about most of them. | 23:49 |
| sivang | derf: "red pill" debugging, as timeless_mbp so wonderfully noted. | 23:50 |
| lcuk | derf, using the console is like looking at a map with only a pinhole view, you know theres a whole world to explore, but you havent got a clue how to access it. | 23:51 |
| sivang | lcuk: you've got if you are a true explorer :) | 23:51 |
| * sivang stops the trolling | 23:52 | |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Why not make it drop a core and debug? | 23:52 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Well, I can rotate that pinhole view way faster than you can move your graphical one | 23:53 |
| johnq_ | Ah, of course. The whole directory is symlinked to /opt | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: using the console usually is for *moving* things, not looking at them | 23:54 |
| RST38h | So, pinhole is not that bad, if you know what to do with it | 23:54 |
| RST38h | And if I feel like I need a wider fov, there is midnight commander and htop :) | 23:54 |
| derf | sivang: I meant with using web interfaces. | 23:54 |
| johnq_ | http://fractalmind.de/stuff/sgt-puzzles_8605-1ubuntu1_armel.deb is now optified. | 23:55 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: will try. is there on-device gdb package? | 23:55 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: I think there is | 23:55 |
| lcuk | yes | 23:55 |
| AakashPatel | If i'm in scratchbox | 23:55 |
| AakashPatel | hwo would i add the extras-devel repo? | 23:55 |
| lcuk | 6.8.5.0.something in the sdk reposityory i believe | 23:55 |
| lcuk | 6.8.50 even | 23:56 |
| * RST38h goes to watch DrWho | 23:56 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, enjoy, and yeah i see the pov | 23:56 |
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| RST38h | If any of you see X-Fade, please, ask him to look why Speccy, Vultures, and MasterGear have not been promoted to Extras | 23:57 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, console is for everything | 23:57 |
| oscillik | sorry, i was busy installing all my apps again | 23:57 |
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| woglinde | rst is promotion auto,atic | 23:59 |
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