| GeneralAntilles | lbt, just making sure you know the thread exists for when discussion breaks out. ;) | 00:00 |
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| lbt | heh - I only wrote that this pm :) | 00:00 |
| mikhas | hm, nice idea. maybe I could learn sth from the code | 00:00 |
| Ceron^ | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2f4_1260478528 > n900 at class | 00:01 |
| woglinde | lardman hehe | 00:02 |
| woglinde | ~lart broken cmake support in sdk+ | 00:02 |
| * infobot urinates on broken cmake support in sdk+ | 00:02 | |
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| saahleh | i want a browser that doesnt crash! And how to get the pipe-symbol in console? | 00:03 |
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| Scummer | where can i find the trunk for libmodest-dbus-client ? | 00:03 |
| mikhas | saahleh, via sym table | 00:03 |
| saahleh | sym table? | 00:04 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: mutter tmo mutter maemo-developer ml | 00:04 |
| mikhas | symbol table | 00:05 |
| Scummer | saahleh : fn + sym | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, indeed. | 00:05 |
| mikhas | the most top left key | 00:05 |
| mikhas | + fn, yes | 00:05 |
| lardman | lbt: ml snr going down/ | 00:05 |
| lardman | ? | 00:05 |
| mikhas | which is situated right below | 00:05 |
| saahleh | a, thanks | :) | 00:06 |
| * lardman prays that he's not missed another bloody vfp command this time | 00:06 | |
| mikhas | now that you found the symbol table: the 3rd row (from top) are compose keys | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: what about adding LED support for barcodes | 00:06 |
| mikhas | I only mention it in case it is too obvious to you =) | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: turning on the LED in torch mode would be handy for some scanning | 00:07 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: sure, do we know how? | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: it's a v4l2 ioctl | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | a control of the main camera | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | plus - it would double as a flashlight | 00:08 |
| mikhas | http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_Guide_table_of_contents <= no "maemo6 by example" section? | 00:08 |
| lardman | I'll look in the camerabin source, might already be available as a gst-photography fn | 00:08 |
| lardman | but yeah, sounds reasonable | 00:08 |
| lardman | thanks for the linky | 00:08 |
| luke-jr_ | mikhas: seeing as Maemo6 doesn't exist yet.. | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: if it can do arbitrary v4l2 controls - like 'pan' and stuff - then it should be easy | 00:08 |
| Arkenoi | is there a torch application already? | 00:08 |
| mikhas | it's a dev guide OK, but I always want to see some results quickly before I go reading sth in length. | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: not that runs the LEDs | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: one that brightens the screen onl | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | y | 00:09 |
| cehteh | hehe | 00:09 |
| Dr_Cain | is there any way to turn off noticiations for certain skype chats perhaps? | 00:09 |
| lbt | lardman: yeah - I'd rather discuss this kind of thing on the ml -- when quim does this the "tmo is replacing the ml" becomes a bit self fulfilling - he's capable of *huge* influence on how/where people engage :) | 00:09 |
| cehteh | the led chip has 3 steps btw | 00:09 |
| lardman | lbt: ack | 00:09 |
| cehteh | low light, torch, and flash | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: it has lots mroe than 3 | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: the low light is a seperate LED - if you mean the red one | 00:10 |
| lardman | lbt: I have to say brainstorm has passed me by as a useful tool | 00:10 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: sure? i read the specs recently | 00:10 |
| cehteh | nope | 00:10 |
| cehteh | for the flashlight leds | 00:10 |
| derf | lardman: You're reducing the resolution of the camera image in mbarcode, right? | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: the flashlight LEDs are the flash LEDs - same ones. just at a lower current. Spent last night reading driver | 00:10 |
| cehteh | 10mA | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: 50 | 00:10 |
| lardman | derf: yeah | 00:11 |
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| derf | Have you thought about reading the full resolution image and then just cropping it? | 00:11 |
| cehteh | 10mA for a dim light, 50mA for the torch mode and 320 mA for flash | 00:11 |
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| derf | I find myself pushing the device right up to whatever I want to scan, where it focuses badly. | 00:11 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: As I read it it's variable - but, a bit annoying. | 00:11 |
| lardman | derf: yes I was thinking about that, might make focusing work better | 00:11 |
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| derf | lardman: Yes, exactly. | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | full res image has its own problems - rate will be _lots_ lower | 00:12 |
| lardman | derf: the reason I didn't was that the gst element to do cropping was missing | 00:12 |
| Sir_Lancelot | where can I find a list of all existing keyboard shortcuts for N900? :) | 00:12 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: i read the controlers specs which has 2 bit for controling it off + 3 modes | 00:12 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Camera is already agonizingly slow | 00:12 |
| lardman | and I simultaneously worked out how to focus, so thought I'd give it a go | 00:12 |
| lardman | derf: is an easy tweak to the code though | 00:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I've downloaded, but not read the ds, thought it was linear - guess I'm conflating it with the focus | 00:12 |
| jebba | if the build box is using qemu, is it at least using virtio? http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Virtio speeds up things significantly. | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: whihc is linear | 00:13 |
| cehteh | yeah likely | 00:13 |
| luke-jr_ | jebba: qemu is not KVM | 00:13 |
| cehteh | well i wont experiment with the flash leds too much .. you can easily destroy them, even when they are protected, i dont trust the protection too much ... overcurrent/heat kills high power leds | 00:14 |
| pupnik | Sir_Lancelot: talk.maemo.org | 00:14 |
| jebba | qemu-kvm ... | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: read the driver | 00:15 |
| jebba | ah, unless it's just doing qemu as ARM | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: says 350ma*500ms max, or 50mA cont | 00:15 |
| pupnik | how close can you focus with n900 macro? i seem to get up to about 14 cm, then blur | 00:15 |
| pupnik | or maybe 18 | 00:15 |
| lardman | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36644 sums up my opinion | 00:15 |
| jebba | but if it was just running qemu to virtualize things, well, i'd hope it was kvm not plain qemu ;) | 00:15 |
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| luke-jr_ | jebba: if it was just needing virtualization, it should use OpenVZ, not KVM nor qemu | 00:15 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: i didnt looked at the driver .. i looked at the specs of the contolling chip, maybe the driver doesnt export all | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: notes in driver platform file about maxes. | 00:16 |
| cehteh | and 500ms are a long time, be careful | 00:16 |
| jebba | luke-jr_: well, it is running qemu from what I was told, but I dont have acces, so i dont know for sure. EIther way, it should use virtio... | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: it's enforced in the driver IIRC | 00:16 |
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| cehteh | the chip as also some protection iirc | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: though you can still flash multiple times - but you can do that with the normal app too | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: only for overheat of the chip | 00:17 |
| lardman | derf: there's a GDK fn to convert from RGB to greyscale isn't there iirc? | 00:17 |
| cehteh | yes | 00:17 |
| luke-jr_ | jebba: virtio doesn't sound like something that would benefit an emulator | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: it has no seperate LED overheat detect | 00:17 |
| luke-jr_ | jebba: and virtio would just be crazy for OpenVZ | 00:17 |
| luke-jr_ | OpenVZ isn't a hypervisor, it's faster | 00:17 |
| cehteh | well overheat of the chip is linear to led overheat since the current goes through both :P (not exactly, thats why i warned not to stess it) | 00:18 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: not really | 00:18 |
| jebba | of course it would benefit an emulator. Faster disk & net. gah, why am i having this conversation done. | 00:18 |
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| cehteh | i prolly has also a timer/watchdog .. cant remember | 00:18 |
| pupnik | hah t.m.o thread with 3,653 replies "Mobile Phones Direct N900 Customers" | 00:19 |
| cehteh | anyways .. this leds are easy to fry if you abuse them | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: consider it like your car. you have engine and brakes, the power goes through both if you press them both together - but the engine won't fry | 00:19 |
| pupnik | LEDs should be current-limited | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: they are. | 00:19 |
| pupnik | driven by current-limited circuits | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: to a rate at which it will exceed specs if they are on over .5s | 00:19 |
| pupnik | you can also get by with properly chosen resistors | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: as they are flash LEDs fundamentally | 00:19 |
| pupnik | ahh | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: (well - in flash mode) | 00:20 |
| lardman | are they not heat limited ultimately? | 00:20 |
| cehteh | no | 00:20 |
| cehteh | http://www.analog.com/en/power-management/display-and-lighting/adp1653/products/product.html | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: maybe, there can be other failure mechanisms. | 00:20 |
| cehteh | read the datasheet | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: but heat is a primary one. | 00:20 |
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| lardman | certainly the ones I use have a heat tolerance and draw as much current as they need | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: however - the driver says that flashlight mode is OK - it's 1/7th the power. | 00:21 |
| lardman | keep below ~120C, etc | 00:21 |
| pupnik | odd topic | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: diodes are a fundamentally constant voltage device. They take as much current as you give them. | 00:21 |
| lardman | really? | 00:22 |
| cehteh | yeah | 00:22 |
| lardman | so you have to current limit them? | 00:22 |
| xorAxAx | does the n900 have a sip client? | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: yes. | 00:22 |
| lardman | hmm, interesting | 00:22 |
| cehteh | you must control the current, not the voltage | 00:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: in all but the situations where you've read the datasheets extremely carefully, and done all the sums to ensure that it's safe. | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | (or if you don't care if it dies in a few mins) | 00:23 |
| cehteh | the chip can do up to 820ms flashes ... | 00:23 |
| cehteh | mhm better dont try :) | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC a limit at 500 in the driver | 00:23 |
| Scummer | finally.. modest is compiling.. | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | but there is a sepearte torch mode that is quite bright enough | 00:24 |
| cehteh | even 500ms are a long time to build up heat on such small things | 00:24 |
| Scummer | what a pain in the nuts | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Especially for short range flash/constant flashlight | 00:24 |
| lardman | anyone else, is there an e.g. GDK fn to turn an RGB pixbuf into a greyscale one? | 00:24 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: you read the datasheet now .. then you discover the 3rd dimmed mode | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I don't recall it being implemented in the driver. | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: but I could have skimmed over it | 00:25 |
| cehteh | page 14 | 00:25 |
| cehteh | yeah maybe the driver can be hacked a bit :) | 00:25 |
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| cehteh | too bad that it cant be pwm controlled | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | you can't pwm with a rolling shutter camera, for obvious reasons | 00:27 |
| Scummer | a dark pic or two.. no one would notice :) | 00:28 |
| * VDVsx installs 12 offscr's apps in his N900 and fells again like a iPhone user :) | 00:28 | |
| pupnik | what is this LED discussion for? | 00:28 |
| nomis | lardman: I am unaware of such a function. | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | dark lines in the pics actually | 00:28 |
| lcuk | lardman, you can do it as part of the gstreamer | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: there are two flash LEDs in the n900. These can also be used for flashlights. | 00:28 |
| lcuk | but im not sure about a specific method | 00:28 |
| lcuk | there probably is one tho | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Though at lower brightness | 00:28 |
| Sir_Lancelot | VDVsx : whioch apps? | 00:29 |
| VDVsx | Sir_Lancelot, games and weird stuff,lol | 00:29 |
| jebba | SpeedEvil: the LCD at full brightness white screen makes better flashlite tho for sure | 00:29 |
| lardman | lcuk: not in gst atm, reading from file | 00:29 |
| lcuk | cool! | 00:29 |
| lardman | will just do it manually | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: it's perhaps 1/50th of the brightness at best | 00:29 |
| * lcuk nods | 00:29 | |
| nomis | lardman: you can iterate over the pixbuf data manually. It is a bit tedious, but possible. | 00:29 |
| lardman | how's things lcuk ? | 00:29 |
| jebba | SpeedEvil: the LCD? | 00:30 |
| lardman | nomis: yep, just writing the code now | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: yes | 00:30 |
| lardman | thanks | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | jebba, the LEDs are way brighter than the LCD backlight. :) | 00:30 |
| jebba | huh. How can you just turn on the LEDs? | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: part of that is as the light is not as focussed. | 00:30 |
| VDVsx | Sir_Lancelot, current list: http://pastebin.ca/1710217 | 00:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | jebba: you open the camera file descriptor and send a ioctl(V4L2_TORCH_ON) | 00:31 |
| jebba | ah ay | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | or something ismilar | 00:31 |
| cehteh | n900 .. the most expensive torch to date :P | 00:31 |
| jebba | SpeedEvil: any dbus majick for something like that? | 00:31 |
| Sir_Lancelot | VDVsx : in 100000 light years from you | 00:31 |
| Sir_Lancelot | it's all foregien language to me | 00:31 |
| Sir_Lancelot | :D | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: well, there may be a dbus thingy for it - there is no need though. mplayer could do it if it could control arbitrary v4l2 controls - but it can't | 00:31 |
| nomis | lardman: ooh: gdk_pixbuf_saturate_and_pixelate() | 00:32 |
| Sir_Lancelot | which is the repo list for all those apps? | 00:32 |
| jayabharath | Does anyone know which accelerometor sensor chip is used on the N900 and is it interfaced through I2C with the OMAP? | 00:32 |
| VDVsx | Sir_Lancelot, blame the guys that did the descriptions | 00:32 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, cool! they working then now? i was wondering why we werent getting ported s60 stuff | 00:32 |
| VDVsx | Sir_Lancelot, ovi store | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | jayabharath: it's the lis402 IIRC - and yes | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | jayabharath: lis302 even | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | jayabharath: why? | 00:33 |
| lardman | nomis: couldn't work out if that would do quite what I wanted though | 00:33 |
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| lardman | nomis: and I still need to reduce the data to a single char per pixel, so may as well do the conversion myself I think | 00:33 |
| nomis | lardman: I think it should do something resembling the right thing with saturation = 0 and pixelate = False. | 00:33 |
| lcuk | lardman, im tired! but i had a great time with the ux people last week | 00:33 |
| timeless | for people curious about the flagship store | 00:33 |
| nomis | lardman: ah, ok. | 00:33 |
| timeless | the state remains unchanged | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | jay: http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/12726/lis302dl.htm | 00:34 |
| jayabharath | Speedevil: thanks for the infor... I was looking for the sensor driver...on linux-omap tree do you if src patches are upstreamed ? | 00:34 |
| lardman | nomis: yeah, having troubles with buffer sizes expected by decoder threads, etc., easier to just give them what they expect than change everything | 00:34 |
| lardman | lcuk: cool :) | 00:34 |
| SpeedEvil | jayabharath: dunno | 00:34 |
| lcuk | you wouldv found your level there simon, there were people form all areas | 00:34 |
| lcuk | was great | 00:34 |
| jayabharath | SpeedEvil: No problem .. I will look around. Thanks much for the link to the datasheet | 00:35 |
| nomis | lardman: as an offtopic question: have you ever seen RDS output on the N900? | 00:35 |
| lardman | lcuk: had work commitments, plus wasn't feeling too hot | 00:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | jayabharath: see http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/kernel_2.6.28-20094102.3+0m5.diff.gz | 00:35 |
| lcuk | you oculd walk through a room and go from detailed technical discussion through design and niceties and meander past documentation through coffee and bacon and back to general stuff | 00:35 |
| lardman | nomis: reception? No, not tried either though | 00:35 |
| pupnik | is Ovi store barrier to entry for developers much higher than Palm or Apple store? | 00:35 |
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| jayabharath | SpeedEvil: ok.. | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, yes. | 00:36 |
| lardman | lcuk: mmmm, coffee + bacon, perfect! | 00:36 |
| javispedro | it's bigger than Apple's, dunno about Palm. | 00:36 |
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| jebba | lcuk: i was checking out your liq* programs today, they're rad thx :) | 00:37 |
| nomis | lardman: yeah, reception. The chip apparently can handle it, there is some linux driver code for that, but I am unsure if this is actually on the device. | 00:37 |
| nomis | at least /dev/radio1 does not spit out RDS raw data in the v4l format. | 00:38 |
| lcuk | \m/ -_- \m/ | 00:38 |
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| Mousey | awesome ar | 00:38 |
| Mousey | t | 00:38 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, I want liqSeismometer, so funny :P | 00:39 |
| lcuk | nomis, it spits out NOKIA! to the radio itself | 00:39 |
| lardman | nomis: not tried yet, sorry | 00:39 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: V4L2_CID_INDICATOR_INTENSITY ... the dim mode is supported in the driver | 00:39 |
| lardman | nomis: I'd certainly like to - both for radio station names and also traffic info ;) | 00:39 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, at the summit i was talking to mmmmm someone | 00:39 |
| lcuk | i forget his name | 00:39 |
| lcuk | tho i wrote the app with it in | 00:39 |
| lcuk | anyway i wrote a graphing thingy for the accelerometer | 00:40 |
| lcuk | just to see if it worked, its good fun :) | 00:40 |
| * lcuk will remember hte name soon | 00:40 | |
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| nomis | lcuk: oh, the transmitter? That is cool. | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | 18mG resolution = sucky seismometer | 00:40 |
| lcuk | will detect a kick in the teeth | 00:40 |
| lcuk | over the internet no less | 00:41 |
| lcuk | its good enough that if you have 3 devies on a desk | 00:41 |
| lcuk | and 5 people around | 00:41 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: plus you need to bury it to get a signal ;) | 00:41 |
| lcuk | you could detect where they were sat | 00:41 |
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| lcuk | banding the table in front of em | 00:41 |
| lcuk | banging | 00:41 |
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| lardman | not from their heart-beats? | 00:41 |
| lardman | ;) | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes - banging is a somewhat different case | 00:41 |
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| lcuk | nahhh | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: as you're acting like a microphone sortof | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: the actual accelleration in that case can be quite high | 00:42 |
| lcuk | input mechanism lol | 00:42 |
| lcuk | someone said today in #maemo-ux if i double tap to zoom in | 00:42 |
| Scummer | the SDK doesn't have the run-standalone.sh included ? | 00:42 |
| lcuk | how do you zoom out | 00:42 |
| lcuk | it owuld be cool to tap on the back of the device ;) | 00:42 |
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| Scummer | man oh man... the learning curve for maemo development is steep | 00:43 |
| lcuk | anyway,time for me to vanish,this code wont write itself | 00:43 |
| lcuk | :) indeed Scummer | 00:43 |
| lbt | GAN900: short reply... | 00:44 |
| lardman | Scummer: try Symbian one day ;) | 00:44 |
| Scummer | :) | 00:44 |
| lardman | ok, school boy question, if I'm doing some manipulations on some chars, what type (or register) will be used to hold the intermediate values? | 00:45 |
| lardman | as I need more than 8bit res for the intermediate data | 00:45 |
| Scummer | the maemo.org tells me to use run-standalone.sh to test out my app.. but it's not there :? | 00:45 |
| derf | In C, any arithmetic promotes things to int. | 00:45 |
| lcuk | int | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Scummer, install nokia-apps. | 00:45 |
| lardman | cool, thanks chaps | 00:45 |
| Scummer | GA: thanks.. will try | 00:46 |
| derf | It's one of the reasons C will never have good vectorizing compilers. | 00:46 |
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| lcuk | holy crap! dev env in scratchbox takes about 400mb | 00:47 |
| lardman | yes, I can see it will be problematic | 00:47 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: mine is at about 1.2 gb | 00:47 |
| lcuk | ali1234, i just did an apt upgrade tho | 00:47 |
| lcuk | its evil i tell you | 00:47 |
| derf | 400 MB is chump change. | 00:47 |
| lardman | are these operations promoted to int, or to native register size? | 00:47 |
| lcuk | on normal n900 i do 2 apt-get lines and its compilable! | 00:47 |
| woglinde | lcuk but tage ages | 00:48 |
| lardman | just out of interest | 00:48 |
| derf | lardman: int _is_ the native register size. | 00:48 |
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| ali1234 | arm toochain is 250mb | 00:48 |
| derf | That's what "int" means. | 00:48 |
| lcuk | woglinde, no | 00:48 |
| lardman | ok, so that's the reasoning | 00:48 |
| lcuk | i could be finished now | 00:48 |
| lcuk | the code is 4 dialogs | 00:48 |
| lcuk | its tiny | 00:48 |
| lardman | well not on a 64bit chip running a 32bit os? | 00:48 |
| lcuk | linked with 1 library | 00:48 |
| ali1234 | at least the ful CS toolchain is | 00:48 |
| lcuk | its not "heavy" in any sense | 00:48 |
| lcuk | but gives liq* apps easily | 00:48 |
| derf | lardman: Those have 32-bit registers. | 00:48 |
| javispedro | on windows amd64 int is 32 bit (lp model) | 00:49 |
| lardman | ah yes, they are shortened or combined | 00:49 |
| lcuk | woglinde, its how programming used to be :) simple | 00:49 |
| derf | javispedro: No. | 00:49 |
| derf | win64 is just p model. | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | but then theres this whole "packaging" debacle ontop | 00:49 |
| derf | long is also 32-bit. | 00:49 |
| jaska | llp64 | 00:49 |
| derf | Because they are fucking insane. | 00:49 |
| javispedro | derf: touché. | 00:49 |
| jaska | backwards compatibility kludges :) | 00:49 |
| jaska | l != p might be a bit weird tho | 00:50 |
| pupnik | ahh finally my sim card is active. agps is awesome! | 00:50 |
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| derf | jaska: Indeed, it breaks lots of software. | 00:50 |
| lardman | char = short = int = 16bits on TMS320, so they aren't the only ones with insanity ;) | 00:50 |
| derf | lardman: C55x you mean. | 00:50 |
| derf | C64x is also TMS320. | 00:50 |
| lardman | ah yes, sorry | 00:50 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: I said GAN900 b4..... I replied to the docs thread... | 00:50 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 00:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I highlight on all possible formats on all clients. ;) | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | so, sip is kinda buggy | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | lardman: It's only insane if sizeof(int) is not 1 :) | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i called my parents via sip | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | and instead of it showing that i was calling them | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it showed me the sip url to call them | 00:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | because i really need to see an incredibly long and useless url | 00:51 |
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| lbt | GeneralAntilles: I still like that your nic is CamelCase :) | 00:51 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: so insanity rules on most platforms then? ;) | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | lardman: no | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, meh, how many services do you know that let you use spaces? | 00:52 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp manages fine | 00:52 |
| lardman | sizeof(char)==1 ok | 00:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, and how many more do you know that let you use underscores? | 00:52 |
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| lbt | timeless_mbp manages fine | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/let/don't let/ | 00:52 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: lbt, and how many more do you know that don't let you use underscores? | 00:52 |
| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: does the n900 have a sip client? | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: ? | 00:52 |
| bizzle | hellok, anyone have an idea why I can run a command that exists in /usr/bin as root on the n900? its intltool-update | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I use this nick EVERYWHERE. | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: yes | 00:52 |
| lbt | :D timeless_mbp | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, WTF does my nick have to do with the wiki? :P | 00:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: it's integrated into the addressbook/phone | 00:53 |
| lbt | though art a mere example timeless_mbp | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, the only place I say no CamelCase is there. :) | 00:53 |
| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: in the sdk i only see google talk in the accounts setup | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | lardman: sizeof(char) is always 1, so where int is bigger than char, sizeof(int) should obviously be greater than 1 | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: oh | 00:53 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 00:53 | |
| kynky | GeneralAntilles, some ircd have nick length limits (or used too) :) | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | sdk is just a demo | 00:53 |
| * lbt can't be CamelCased | 00:53 | |
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| timeless_mbp | great | 00:53 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: yes | 00:53 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to file bug | 00:53 | |
| lbt | it could have palindromic caps though.... | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | kynky, indeed. I'm 15 characters now, some limit it there. | 00:54 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: though sizeof(char) = 1 and it being 16bits is rather nasty | 00:54 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 00:54 |
| timeless_mbp | does *anyone* else here have a sip account? | 00:54 |
| lbt | o/ timeless_mbp | 00:54 |
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| ShadowJK | lardman: yeah but CHAR_BITS or something is 16, right | 00:55 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: http://iq.appspot.com/q/6583/21 | 00:55 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: however my N900 won't even *try* and connect to wifi at the moment... | 00:55 |
| bizzle | .. | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: youch | 00:55 |
| lbt | windoze time... | 00:56 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: i have a SIP acct with ekiga. And before with a number of other providers (used with asterisk) | 00:56 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: I guess so, the code I was porting didn't bother to check | 00:56 |
| ShadowJK | I,ve seen people complain the n900 sip client has not worked on networks where the n8x0 client works, with identical settings | 00:56 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: you have an n900, right? | 00:56 |
| timeless_mbp | can you try calling an american 800 number for me? | 00:56 |
| lbt | mine uses sipgate | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | lardman: yes, people never write portable code ;) | 00:57 |
| lbt | and asterisk | 00:57 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: so true, or they think they have, but it's not | 00:57 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: yes | 00:57 |
| derf | C leaves too much as "implementation defined" for that to be practical. | 00:57 |
| Scummer | yeech.. another 50 bazillion packages to install | 00:57 |
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| jebba | timeless_mbp: ah, not for regular termination in PSTN. But I may have some old accts still going somewhere i can dig up. | 00:58 |
| derf | In reality you write code for some reasonable set of hardware, and figure anyone else can fix it if it ever really becomes an issue. | 00:58 |
| derf | Because most of the time it'd be wasted effort. | 00:58 |
| lbt | oh, wait, just local asterisk... | 00:58 |
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| woglinde | ~seen qwerty | 00:58 |
| infobot | qwerty <n=sw@89.155.232.249> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 272d 9h 58m 17s ago, saying: 'i need a good webhosting please'. | 00:58 |
| woglinde | *g* | 00:59 |
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| red | can i use the musicplayer in foldermode | 00:59 |
| bizzle | hello | 00:59 |
| red | not a fan of playlist files =) | 00:59 |
| lardman | so where is qwerty? | 00:59 |
| lardman | ~seen qwerty12 | 01:00 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 4h 36m 2s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. | 01:00 |
| lardman | slightly better | 01:00 |
| red | n900 that is | 01:00 |
| Arkenoi | Seems that Vultures Eye does not run after latest update :-( | 01:00 |
| VDVsx | ~seen qwerty12_n900 | 01:00 |
| infobot | qwerty12_n900 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8d 7h 10m 29s ago, saying: 'w00t: If it makes you happy, I have a picture of my N800, N810, and "my" N900 on a desk. Urge to kill rising?'. | 01:00 |
| woglinde | hm where he is | 01:00 |
| VDVsx | bahh | 01:00 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: can you run it from terminal? | 01:00 |
| VDVsx | I loose | 01:00 |
| lardman | ah, someone's killed him then | 01:00 |
| Scummer | LOL | 01:01 |
| jkimball4 | would be nice to see maps load a little quicker .. | 01:01 |
| lardman | crashanddie: .....? ;) | 01:01 |
| Arkenoi | can't cd to /opt/vultures | 01:01 |
| crashanddie | lardman: ? | 01:01 |
| Arkenoi | it does not exist, indeed | 01:01 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: just wondering if you'd killed qwerty? | 01:02 |
| crashanddie | I actually have an alibi | 01:02 |
| crashanddie | I'm in the US, and have been for two weeks | 01:02 |
| lardman | you know, escaping the country and all | 01:02 |
| lardman | hmm | 01:02 |
| * VDVsx suspects that lcuk did it | 01:02 | |
| lardman | ;) | 01:02 |
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| crashanddie | lardman: and even though I know I'm good, killing someone a few days after his last appearance is pretty hard | 01:02 |
| lardman | true | 01:03 |
| lardman | a whole 2 weeks! you poor thing | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still can't get any packages from Ovi. | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | still have a week to go | 01:03 |
| lardman | do you want to know what's been happening in the world? | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | lardman: nha I'm good, I've got CNN | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | :D | 01:03 |
| lardman | lol | 01:03 |
| Scummer | hehe | 01:03 |
| lardman | they do world news? | 01:03 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, apt-get install is your friend | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | what world? | 01:03 |
| lardman | or does that just mean Alabama? | 01:04 |
| VDVsx | just installed a bunch of apps from there | 01:04 |
| crashanddie | lardman: I saw some guy in the Ukraine blew up his face with chewing gum | 01:04 |
| crashanddie | lardman: seems like the same old world to me | 01:04 |
| lardman | yeah, strange | 01:04 |
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| crashanddie | alabama is the capital of Europea, right? | 01:04 |
| lardman | no that must be Texas, Paris is there | 01:05 |
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| Scummer | alabama.. reminds me of My Cousin Vinny | 01:05 |
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| lardman | doh! | 01:05 |
| Scummer | great flick | 01:05 |
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| pupnik | steve martin is talented. plays great banjo | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, why can't h-a-m find them? | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Urgh, it's pulling qt from d.m.n.c | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | That can't be good. | 01:06 |
| jaska | demonic | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | user/hidden | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can we stab the Ovi idiots to death yet? | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 01:06 |
| lcuk | errr help, any idea why my scratchbox is trying to download i386 versions of stuff whenim selected inarmel mode | 01:06 |
| lcuk | or how i can fix it | 01:06 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: what is it now? | 01:06 |
| pupnik | never saw that lcuk | 01:07 |
| lardman | lcuk: you sure your targets aren't just named something other than what they are? | 01:07 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, yes please :P | 01:07 |
| woglinde | lcuk you are in i386 mode then | 01:07 |
| lcuk | how do i change it | 01:07 |
| lardman | sb-menu | 01:07 |
| lcuk | supposing i had to rebuild a new target | 01:07 |
| * Arkenoi tries to scan 1d barcode with mbarcode, no luck. is it really that hard so most barcode reader applications are actually limited to qr-codes? | 01:07 | |
| lcuk | sshhhhh Arkenoi | 01:08 |
| lardman | Arkenoi: sorry, is the barcode online or physical? | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, somebody want to figure out what h-a-m does with user/hidden ? | 01:08 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, my list: http://pastebin.ca/1710217 | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | lardman: I think you need to learn to fist pump | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | lardman: and hit the club and all yo | 01:08 |
| lardman | Arkenoi: basically derf's QR code works better than the 1D code and far better than the Datamatrix code | 01:09 |
| lardman | crashanddie: lol | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, I'm tempted to write a pissy email to -developers. | 01:09 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: don't | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, isn't it amazing that whenever Nokia puts together some shit behind closed doors like this they do it fucking wrong? | 01:09 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: wrong? are you an IP lawyer now? | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, er? | 01:10 |
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| pupnik | ovi | 01:10 |
| lardman | I've not received any emails, what's up? | 01:10 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: you missed | 01:10 |
| lcuk | select compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 | 01:10 |
| pupnik | k | 01:10 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, true, they don't listen the experts <- us ;) | 01:10 |
| crashanddie | lardman: working 6AM - 2AM | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell does improper repository setups and broken control files have to do with IP? :) | 01:10 |
| lardman | crashanddie: ouch | 01:10 |
| pupnik | i missed what your prob was, sry | 01:10 |
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| lardman | lcuk: yep and the correct rootfs too | 01:10 |
| lcuk | do i need a transparency method ahh where do i get that | 01:11 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: makeTransparent() | 01:11 |
| * GeneralAntilles bangs head on desk. | 01:11 | |
| lardman | should have been installed with the rest of the debs | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-application-manager/debian/changelog | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, new section, who would've thunk'it? | 01:11 |
| lcuk | lardman i broke it today | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: turns out I don't care. | 01:11 |
| lcuk | and it shouldv rebuilt all this for me | 01:11 |
| lcuk | i got the x86 working ! | 01:12 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, try xploder, its a funny game | 01:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wonder how user/hidden handles updates. | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Christ, why can't we just use h-a-m for browsing the Ovi shit, again? <_< | 01:13 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, patience please, it's not released yet it seems | 01:13 |
| VDVsx | tech preview, hihi | 01:13 |
| fnordianslip | nicer conky on n900 shot: http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/screenshot04.png | 01:13 |
| Shapeshifter | clearly we need a conky widget | 01:14 |
| Shapeshifter | borderless | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, yeah, my optimism isn't exactly overflowing. ;) | 01:14 |
| Shapeshifter | sticky, non-movable | 01:14 |
| Scummer | why ghz and mhz? | 01:14 |
| Shapeshifter | forget about non-movable | 01:15 |
| fnordianslip | its the default conf with some font tweaks | 01:15 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, fnordianslip this is something zach did for his google summer of code on his n810 http://www.flickr.com/photos/38672658@N07/ | 01:16 |
| lcuk | works well inside liqbase on anything | 01:16 |
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| lcuk | based on conky code | 01:16 |
| lcuk | i believe | 01:16 |
| fnordianslip | cool | 01:16 |
| Shapeshifter | nice | 01:16 |
| * lcuk nods | 01:17 | |
| lcuk | its intended for multiple machine network monitoring | 01:17 |
| lcuk | and you can zoom into different machines and features | 01:17 |
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| pupnik | the n900 slider feels so great when it schlocks into position :) | 01:18 |
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| lardman | oh cock, not working | 01:18 |
| lardman | ~curse changing code | 01:18 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, changing code ! | 01:18 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:18 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | cock? | 01:18 |
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| jadams | hey hey | 01:19 |
| lcuk | rootstrap you say | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, we've got a solution for non-user packages that need to be updated through h-a-m!!! :rolleyes: | 01:19 |
| lardman | Gadgetoid_iMac: just a saying | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | user/hidden to the rescue. . . . | 01:19 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | lardman: and you had me all excited | 01:19 |
| jadams | I'm going to be playing with wiicontrol / snes emu tonight I suppose...the n900 is wonderful :) | 01:20 |
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| lardman | lol | 01:20 |
| lardman | sorry | 01:21 |
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| Scummer | jadams: my son was all smiles yesterday when i showed him snes on the TV with the wiimote :) | 01:21 |
| jadams | I'm not really sure how to go about it, but I haven't really spent any time trying yet either | 01:21 |
| Scummer | it was rather easy | 01:22 |
| Scummer | the only problem i encountered was the mappings didn't switch.. so i manually edited teh wiicontrol.py | 01:22 |
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| pupnik | yeah i am going to take tv cable to some relatives | 01:22 |
| pupnik | generate some sales | 01:23 |
| Scummer | of non availalbe n900's ? :) | 01:23 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm bored | 01:23 |
| Shapeshifter | I wonder if I'll see my n900 before 2010 | 01:23 |
| pupnik | or boring | 01:23 |
| Shapeshifter | very likely both | 01:24 |
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| pupnik | are there production issues, or is demand so high? | 01:24 |
| Shapeshifter | fiji has the n900. | 01:24 |
| Scummer | no.. they are all on vacation already.. | 01:24 |
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| pupnik | robotron clone | 01:24 |
| pupnik | do-able | 01:25 |
| Scummer | in europe half of the year you have vacation :) | 01:25 |
| SmilyOrg | i ordered mine on wednesday, the status was changed to "shipped" yesterday (thu) :D | 01:25 |
| lardman | Scummer: It's a hard life | 01:25 |
| Scummer | lard: i know.. i lived it | 01:25 |
| Zeddy | the n900 is one bitch machine when it comes to sucking the life out of the li-on :\ | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, they underestimated demand by a large margin is my bet. | 01:25 |
| pupnik | cool | 01:25 |
| Scummer | lard: i do miss it tho... 7 weeks vac compared to two in the US.. hurts | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Zeddy, broken WiFi? | 01:26 |
| jadams | Zeddy, meh, it beats the G1 into the ground | 01:26 |
| lardman | Scummer: just that the US is very bad for holidays | 01:26 |
| Zeddy | it does? | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Zeddy, 3G all day? | 01:26 |
| lardman | Scummer: 7 weeks!? | 01:26 |
| Zeddy | yeah | 01:26 |
| Zeddy | ofcourse | 01:26 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: I thought that as well, but I kinda started doubting that theory now that there are n900 ads everywhere | 01:26 |
| Zeddy | i depend on the 3g :P | 01:26 |
| lardman | Scummer: what did you do? | 01:26 |
| pupnik | two weeks is not enough downtime | 01:26 |
| Zeddy | otherwise i wouldn't have bought the phone | 01:26 |
| jadams | Zeddy, I used 3g all day and it survives a day. I didn't use 3g EVER on the G1, because it was so much less powerful/awesome, and it lasted till 5 PM | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, the ads don't change it. | 01:26 |
| Scummer | lard: yep.. 6 weeks standard + 1 week something i can't remember | 01:26 |
| Shapeshifter | I doubt they'd do this kind of advertising for such a slick-looking product and then not expect demand | 01:26 |
| lardman | that's a lot of holiday | 01:26 |
| derf | I think I get something like 5 weeks vacation + 11 holidays. | 01:26 |
| Scummer | lard: i used to be an electrician in germany | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, I really don't think they realized quite how much interest there is in a device like this. | 01:26 |
| derf | In the US. | 01:27 |
| Scummer | vacation.. not holiday | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, well, Nokia is a big company. | 01:27 |
| derf | I never actually take that much. | 01:27 |
| Scummer | the holidays are extra | 01:27 |
| pupnik | yep | 01:27 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: "like this" - I think most people don't see it as a product "like this", they see it as a slick phone and want to buy it. | 01:27 |
| lardman | vacation doesn't mean anything | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, whatever they see it as, Nokia didn't estimate the demand well. | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thus the shortages. :) | 01:27 |
| pupnik | i think shapeshifter id right | 01:27 |
| Scummer | vacation means something when the company wants you to take them instead of paying you out | 01:27 |
| lardman | well that is lots of holiday, I get something like 27 days + public holidays | 01:27 |
| Scummer | so in '93 i was about 6 weeks in the US visiting my back then girlfriend :) | 01:28 |
| pupnik | that is a sane amt | 01:28 |
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| Scummer | ah.. the good ol' times | 01:28 |
| lardman | move to Switzerland, they have sooo many public holidays ;) | 01:28 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman: we have? | 01:28 |
| Scummer | i'm actually landing in zuerich next thursday :) | 01:28 |
| lardman | afair yes ;) | 01:28 |
| Shapeshifter | i don't think it's as many | 01:29 |
| Shapeshifter | avarage | 01:29 |
| Shapeshifter | chrismas, new year, some christian holiday before easter, easter, and 1. of august. | 01:29 |
| Shapeshifter | or after easter | 01:29 |
| Shapeshifter | something with someone rising somewhere | 01:29 |
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| lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_Switzerland | 01:30 |
| lardman | seemed to me there were lots | 01:30 |
| lardman | not a bad thing though | 01:30 |
| Shapeshifter | well yeah, but we don't get the day off on most of these | 01:30 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: still awake? | 01:30 |
| javispedro | pupnik: yep | 01:30 |
| lardman | oh, I used to | 01:31 |
| lcuk | damn | 01:31 |
| lcuk | set everything to arm | 01:31 |
| pupnik | think you can bypass clutter somehow? | 01:31 |
| lardman | was long time ago though | 01:31 |
| lcuk | installed rootstraps and everything | 01:31 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman: mhhh | 01:31 |
| pupnik | 60 fps does sound yummy | 01:31 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman: where did you work / go to the pub? | 01:31 |
| javispedro | pupnik: probably, there's an official method, I still need to try | 01:31 |
| aSIMULAtor | i can't sleep | 01:31 |
| aSIMULAtor | good evening | 01:31 |
| pupnik | whaa? what is a keyword for me | 01:32 |
| javispedro | pupnik: you can try it already by killing the -desktop | 01:32 |
| lardman | I lived in Baden | 01:32 |
| pupnik | yes | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAter, clearly you've had too much sugar. :P | 01:32 |
| lardman | used to go out to Zuerich | 01:32 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah m&ms | 01:32 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman: I see. | 01:32 |
| Scummer | rats.. now what.. do I need to start an Xserver as well to show the app ? | 01:32 |
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| Arkenoi | Does Optima run maemo? | 01:33 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: _HILDON_WM_ACTION_NO_TRANSITIONS | 01:34 |
| pupnik | wowwwww | 01:34 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: ok, blowjobs for *someone* at Nokia | 01:34 |
| lardman | ok, so spot the error: | 01:35 |
| lardman | for(i=0;i<len;i++){ | 01:35 |
| lardman | greybuf[i] = ((66 * rgbbuf[i*3] + 129 * rgbbuf[i*3 + 1] + 25 * rgbbuf[i*3 + 2]) + 128)>>8 + 16; | 01:35 |
| lardman | } | 01:35 |
| aSIMULAtor | rimjobs not blowjobs | 01:35 |
| aSIMULAtor | ok i shut up now | 01:35 |
| lardman | hmm | 01:35 |
| lardman | random outburst from aSIMULAter | 01:35 |
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| pupnik | hint lardman? | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | lardman: /** TODO Documentation required here */ | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAter, a RIM job would be making Blackberries, no? | 01:35 |
| lardman | pupnik: code crashes, somewhere in there | 01:35 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh if only ppl understood my darkbelly of the internets humour :P | 01:35 |
| lardman | crashanddie: convert from RGB pixbuf to grayscale char* array | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | lardman: rgbbuf length is less than i*3 + 2? | 01:36 |
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| javispedro | aka len*3 | 01:36 |
| lardman | length should be len*3 | 01:36 |
| pupnik | i never knew our eyes weighted green so high | 01:37 |
| lardman | len = gdk_pixbuf_get_width(buf) * gdk_pixbuf_get_height(buf); | 01:37 |
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| lardman | rgbbuf = gdk_pixbuf_get_pixels(buf); fwiw | 01:37 |
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| crashanddie | well there's your problem | 01:37 |
| jaska | lots of green in the plants.. guess recognizing different leaves etc was important back in the jungle etc | 01:37 |
| lardman | ? | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | dunno, just sounded right | 01:38 |
| lardman | :p | 01:38 |
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| crashanddie | it's my yearly "Well there's your problem" day | 01:38 |
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| Scummer | wow... the core dump galore is amazing when trying to start the UI-framework | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | been saying it all day | 01:38 |
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| Anidel | back | 01:38 |
| lardman | hey | 01:38 |
| javispedro | lardman? pixbuf format not rgb24? | 01:39 |
| pupnik | lardman, no index out of bounds? | 01:39 |
| pupnik | i shup | 01:39 |
| lardman | thanks for your and derf's help earlier, fixed that problem | 01:39 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik: C code, out of bounds doesn't exist | 01:39 |
| jaska | no bounds, omnipotent :) | 01:39 |
| lardman | javispedro: I'll check, but it should be | 01:39 |
| lardman | pupnik: even then it should be ok as it's only reading | 01:39 |
| javispedro | well, reading can crash sometimes, but probably not there | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | lardman: comment out the line, just create three separate lines, and access rgbuff[i*3], rgbuff[i*3 + 1] and rgbuff [i*3+2] separately and see where it crashes | 01:40 |
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| pupnik | bleh | 01:41 |
| crashanddie | lardman: what's the length of greybuf? | 01:41 |
| lardman | crashanddie: yeah, was just hoping I'd missed something obvious | 01:41 |
| lardman | greybuf = (char *)malloc(sizeof(char)*len); | 01:41 |
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| crashanddie | err, wut? | 01:41 |
| crashanddie | oh | 01:41 |
| pupnik | and the data is unsigned for >>8? | 01:41 |
| pupnik | ah | 01:42 |
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| pupnik | ay, our eyes *are* more sensitive around green | 01:43 |
| javispedro | does it crash when i is approx. len/2 | 01:43 |
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| lardman | no idea | 01:43 |
| lardman | though I can add a fprintf in there to check | 01:43 |
| derf | lardman: http://developer.gimp.org/api/2.0/gdk-pixbuf/gdk-pixbuf-gdk-pixbuf.html#image-data | 01:43 |
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| lardman | hmm, packed | 01:44 |
| lardman | and padded | 01:44 |
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| lardman | nevertheless, it shouldn't make the code crash, just the image wrong | 01:44 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik: this is not JAVA | 01:45 |
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| derf | Assuming that n_channels really is at least 3. | 01:45 |
| crashanddie | woops -- scroll up fail | 01:45 |
| derf | And that rowstride is positive. | 01:45 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: ignore previous line | 01:45 |
| lardman | rowstride must be posisitve | 01:45 |
| lardman | or even positive | 01:45 |
| lardman | channels = 3, bpp = 8 | 01:46 |
| crashanddie | lardman -- the only man on earth who stutteteteteterts with a keyboard | 01:46 |
| javispedro | it could make the code crash | 01:46 |
| lardman | iniindeeed | 01:46 |
| lardman | s/bpp/bits per sample (aka colour channel) | 01:47 |
| lardman | javispedro: even if the data is rubbish, it will be coerced into the char and that will be it | 01:48 |
| javispedro | lardman: nah, if it's 8 bits per color channel I am shutting up :) | 01:48 |
| javispedro | though I think RGB24 is uncommon but hey | 01:49 |
| Gadgetoid | 3.5 bits | 01:49 |
| lardman | seems to be how gdk likes it | 01:49 |
| javispedro | the docs say it likes RGB32 | 01:49 |
| javispedro | (aka 4 channels, 32 bits per pixel) | 01:50 |
| lardman | no alpha here though | 01:50 |
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| lardman | hmm, I think the problem might be with freeing my buffer actually | 01:51 |
| javispedro | so you didn't know where it crashed? :P | 01:51 |
| lardman | I knew it crashed in that loop or the line after | 01:51 |
| lardman | ;p | 01:51 |
| lardman | debugging applications on Maemo is a pita as you can't start them from the command line | 01:52 |
| lardman | my apologies | 01:52 |
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| javispedro | you mostly can I think | 01:52 |
| javispedro | which one is this? | 01:52 |
| lardman | mbarcode | 01:52 |
| lardman | uses dbus | 01:52 |
| lardman | so gets killed if you start from the command line | 01:52 |
| lardman | I think that's the reason anyway | 01:53 |
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| javispedro | sounds weird. I've debugged the entire hildon-desktop on the device | 01:53 |
| ali1234 | are you starting it as root or user? | 01:53 |
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| lardman | osso_initialize() fails for me if I don't start from the icon | 01:54 |
| lardman | user | 01:54 |
| ali1234 | hmm | 01:54 |
| pupnik | i was juat playing some mame from command line on n900 | 01:54 |
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| pupnik | words. so easily misunderstood | 01:55 |
| pupnik | ahh | 01:55 |
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| Anidel | lardman my app doesn't get killed if I start it from command line... | 02:08 |
| Anidel | it gets killed if I start it from the icon and I don't initialize it with the proper service name | 02:09 |
| lardman | hmm | 02:10 |
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| lardman | ok, I must have been starting as root I guess | 02:10 |
| lardman | ah, would have saved lots of effort if I'd realised that | 02:10 |
| lardman | oh well | 02:10 |
| lcuk | i have officially given up with scratchbox armel for the night \@/ | 02:11 |
| lcuk | the bastard that it is wont bloody work | 02:11 |
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| Anidel | what's wrong? | 02:13 |
| Anidel | well going to sleep.. night people | 02:14 |
| lcuk | scratchbox armel is trying to download field sfor i86 | 02:14 |
| lcuk | gnite Anidel | 02:14 |
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| Anidel | cool :) | 02:14 |
| Anidel | nite | 02:15 |
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| lardman | night Anidel | 02:15 |
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| Arkenoi | something is wrong with browser scroll events. you cannot reliably in applications like google maps, google wave etc | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's called javascript. :) | 02:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, bright up the pointer button on the left. | 02:19 |
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| Vink_ | Hi | 02:24 |
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| ifreq | yello | 02:27 |
| Dr_Cain | hmm | 02:29 |
| Dr_Cain | question | 02:29 |
| Dr_Cain | how do I get real _ <-underscores in xterm | 02:29 |
| Dr_Cain | I get some kind of utf8 underscore rightnow | 02:29 |
| luke-jr_ | ... | 02:29 |
| luke-jr_ | that doesn't even make sense | 02:29 |
| luke-jr_ | underscore is the same in utf8 and ascii | 02:30 |
| luke-jr_ | and utf8 is more real than ascii | 02:30 |
| Dr_Cain | yes | 02:30 |
| Dr_Cain | but the button that makes an underscore | 02:30 |
| Dr_Cain | doesn't make one | 02:30 |
| Dr_Cain | it's some other character that looks like an underscore | 02:30 |
| ifreq | it makes with the special button? | 02:30 |
| luke-jr_ | xterm doesn't have buttons... | 02:30 |
| ifreq | hrr | 02:30 |
| ifreq | luke-jr_: well we hope he ment keyboard | 02:30 |
| Dr_Cain | that would be fn+g on my swedish keyboard | 02:31 |
| Dr_Cain | yes | 02:31 |
| luke-jr_ | "I can't help you solve your problem, but I can help you correct your description of it!" | 02:31 |
| luke-jr_ | <.< | 02:31 |
| Dr_Cain | it makes something that looks like an underscore, but doesn't behave like one >_> | 02:31 |
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| ifreq | Dr_Cain: that i doubt :) | 02:32 |
| Dr_Cain | well ok | 02:32 |
| Dr_Cain | I tried logging in to my shell via ssh | 02:32 |
| ifreq | yes | 02:32 |
| Dr_Cain | eg dr_cain@hostname | 02:32 |
| Dr_Cain | I got.. "dr\a\a_cain" | 02:32 |
| * Dr_Cain tries again | 02:33 | |
| Dr_Cain | wtf | 02:34 |
| Dr_Cain | works now | 02:34 |
| Arkenoi | that's not underscore problem | 02:34 |
| frals | works fine here | 02:34 |
| Dr_Cain | ignore everything I said X) | 02:34 |
| Arkenoi | that's backspace problem | 02:34 |
| Dr_Cain | ahaaa | 02:34 |
| Dr_Cain | I see | 02:34 |
| Vratha | anyone in here on t-mo that actually gets their 7.2 HSDPA service on the n900? | 02:34 |
| Dr_Cain | yaay | 02:34 |
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| Vratha | i'm up near white plains, ny, and sometimes i get a "3.5G" signal but not for long enough to do anyhing with it | 02:35 |
| ifreq | getting 3.5G @Finland atleast | 02:35 |
| ifreq | works OK | 02:35 |
| Vratha | ifreq: what kind of speeds you experience on that? | 02:35 |
| ifreq | i can test next time im on the area of 3.5G | 02:36 |
| Vratha | i'm just wondering. t-mobile's 3G here in the NY (USA) area seems about 1/3 the speed of AT&T's 3G speed | 02:36 |
| Vratha | ah, ok | 02:36 |
| ifreq | now im on 3G area (@home) | 02:36 |
| Vratha | oh, what kind of 3G speed do you get? | 02:36 |
| ifreq | sec | 02:36 |
| ifreq | speedtest.net should be sufficient to tell it | 02:36 |
| paroneayea | so out of curiosity | 02:37 |
| paroneayea | does anyone know what the current state of ofono is w/r/t the n900? | 02:38 |
| Vratha | ifreq: yeah, that would probably work. i've been using speedtest, but i'm not sure it's doing a fair test for my connection, because it keeps thinking i'm 900 miles away | 02:38 |
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| Vratha | i wonder if that's where t-mo's headquarters are, because that would be very odd if i was actually having my traffic routed all the way to 900 miles away before going elsewhere | 02:38 |
| ifreq | Vratha: hehe | 02:38 |
| Vratha | that would certainly slow me down | 02:38 |
| ifreq | im doing to test to the recommend server near me., it gives me 2.29Mbps down and 0.60Mbps up | 02:39 |
| Vratha | however, speedtest fairly tests my cable and shows it as about 100 Mbps | 02:39 |
| ifreq | with the 3G connection here | 02:39 |
| Vratha | wow, nice | 02:39 |
| Vratha | i only get 650 Kbps - 1.1 Mbps | 02:39 |
| Vratha | and it's usually around 750 Kbps | 02:39 |
| ifreq | yeh must be operator issue | 02:40 |
| Vratha | AT&T consistently gave me over 3 Mbps | 02:40 |
| ifreq | or how near/far from the 3G+ networks you are | 02:40 |
| ifreq | heh | 02:40 |
| Vratha | yeah | 02:40 |
| Vratha | i'm trying to find other speed tests on the itnernet to see if i can get something that doesn't think i'm so far away | 02:40 |
| ifreq | anyone configured activesync/owa with n900, is it even possible? | 02:41 |
| ifreq | saw the Exchange sync tool but it requires a bit diff aproach | 02:41 |
| Vratha | i haven't, but i thought i read that other people have to get it working with google sync'ing | 02:41 |
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| ifreq | Vratha: well on speedtest you can pick some link more near to you | 02:42 |
| ifreq | oki | 02:42 |
| Vratha | ifreq: yeah, i do, but the speeds aren't great. it's definitely possible that i'm just getting shitty speeds; i just want to try someone other than them | 02:42 |
| Vratha | just to see | 02:42 |
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| lardman | night all, thanks for the help | 02:42 |
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| v2n900 | can i add shortcuts to cuso | 02:43 |
| v2n900 | custom commands to the hildon-desktop? | 02:44 |
| jadams | I can't seem to install wiicontrol | 02:44 |
| jadams | I found a package but it wants python2.5-runtime, which doesn't exist | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | nice (speedtest.net) 1.4M down, 0.4 up. | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | uk | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | tmobile | 02:48 |
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| guest8792525 | is there a mirror the the n900 rom anywhere? my download from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php is only going till 4Mb and then slowing to zero.... | 02:48 |
| Vratha | hmm, that isn't too good, SpeedEvil | 02:49 |
| jadams | SpeedEvil, holy shit, I remember you from #openmoko :) | 02:50 |
| Vratha | man... my 3G connection is falling apart here. i'm testing my internet speeds via tethering, and it decided to throw me down onto edge | 02:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | ;/ | 02:52 |
| Vratha | oh yeah! now my connection has completely decided to destroy itself. the phone said "Cellular Data Not Available" | 02:52 |
| Vratha | yay! | 02:52 |
| Vratha | oh wait, edge is back | 02:52 |
| Vratha | oh! 3g is back now | 02:52 |
| Vratha | hahaha, this is ridiculous | 02:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm | 02:55 |
| * SpeedEvil finds another issue. | 02:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | 3g data is active, and you've forced 3g mode - the 3g/2g slector in settings is now inactive, and you have to deactivate data connection manually to switch. | 02:56 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 02:59 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok... | 02:59 |
| timeless_mbp | so why can't i get ekiga to work w/ my n900? | 03:00 |
| timeless_mbp | it works w/ a bunch of voip apps on my mac :( | 03:00 |
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| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: because ekiga is using some non-standard defaults for VoIP | 03:00 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: go through your SIP configuration and make sure everything is in check | 03:01 |
| timeless_mbp | do you use ekiga? | 03:02 |
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| jadams | garr, I have wiicontrol installed but it crashes when I try to open it. I tried to pair the wiimote but it's not showing up in my bluetooth devices | 03:05 |
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| Vratha | hmm, it's so weird. t-mobile has decided to set my 3G's proxy to somewhere about 900 miles away | 03:11 |
| Vratha | i should call them and talk to them about that | 03:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | does it matter? | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | and why do you care? | 03:12 |
| Vratha | because i think it's why my connection speeds are so low | 03:12 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 03:13 | |
| Vratha | AT&T uses a much closer proxy, and i get near-theoretical speed limits on their network | 03:13 |
| Vratha | i get 1/3 (often less) speeds with t-mobile | 03:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | More localisation work needed - http://www.theonion.com/content/news/alphabet_updated_with_15_exciting | 03:21 |
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| Scummer | hmm.. now what.. CPU transparency devkit ? | 04:09 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: you cant get it to connect at all, or you can't get it to echo check ok? also be sure to quit it on your mac when you run it on your n900. | 04:13 |
| jebba | i think it'll interfere | 04:13 |
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| jebba | timeless_mbp: here's my SIP configuration in snapshots: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#SIP_Configuration | 04:27 |
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| Vratha | jebba: ah, sweet, you visit this channel :) | 04:36 |
| microlith | hmmm | 04:36 |
| Vratha | jebba: you have any scripts for using dbus to send sms messages? | 04:36 |
| microlith | N900 tomorrow | 04:36 |
| Vratha | nice | 04:36 |
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| yuizy | i hope i get it tomorrow too | 04:37 |
| crashanddie | what. the. fuck? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=422014&postcount=4 | 04:37 |
| yuizy | been waiting far too long | 04:37 |
| crashanddie | for far too long** | 04:37 |
| yuizy | :) | 04:38 |
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| microlith | wow | 04:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it's never productive snooping to their level. ;) | 04:42 |
| jebba | Vratha: i'll i pretty much have for now is up there. An sms one would be great tho :) | 04:43 |
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| Scummer | ok.. i give up for now... i cannot get the damn scratchbox to work if my life depended on it | 04:43 |
| Vratha | haha, yeah, it would be wonderful | 04:44 |
| jebba | it's very likely possible--i'd be more surprised if it wasnt | 04:45 |
| Vratha | jebba: you just seemed to be the expert with nokia's dbus interfaces which is why i asked | 04:45 |
| jebba | man, the hardest thing in the world is figuring out keymaps tho haha | 04:46 |
| jebba | Vratha: i just pillaged those from talk.maemo.org, here, and there and... | 04:46 |
| Vratha | jebba: keymaps? you mean the hooks into their interfaces? | 04:46 |
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| jebba | totally different thing. Doing qemu/kvm on a remote machine with vnc. Trying to find a keymap where I have both - and / is hard haha. (qemu doesn't do la-latin1 which is what my keyboard is and i'm not quite sure of how it's all pieced together in debian). This is for my new build scratchbox. | 04:52 |
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| fnordianslip | conkey is looking pretty nice. need to figure out how to widgetise it though. http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/screenshot07.png | 04:58 |
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| jebba | fnordianslip you maintain it? One thing I noticed about it is that it had it's Yes/No confirm buttons (I was perhaps deleting a file) opposite from what i've seen throughout the system, where yes is usually on top | 05:03 |
| jebba | fwiw | 05:03 |
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| fnordianslip | jebba: maintain what? | 05:03 |
| fnordianslip | i'm having a go at getting conky into extras-devel | 05:04 |
| redeeman | any of you that have the problem that sometimes the rss widget doesn't autoupdate as its supposed to? | 05:04 |
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| fnordianslip | redeeman: i've never used it since chinook - it sucked then. i like the iphone version of google reader | 05:05 |
| redeeman | i also suspect it of not doing conditional get | 05:06 |
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| jebba | fnordianslip ahhh i was thinking of conboy | 05:07 |
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| fnordianslip | ah. np | 05:07 |
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| redeeman | any of you that mounts a microsd card as ext3 or something? | 05:09 |
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| jebba | redeeman: i formatted it and mounted it ext3, but havent started using it yet. It works though. | 05:13 |
| redeeman | i was thinking of doing that for a debian chroot | 05:13 |
| jebba | it complains each time on boot that its not a readable format, but i can manually mount it ok | 05:13 |
| redeeman | why does it read the microsd on boot? | 05:13 |
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| jebba | well, i suppose had i formatted it vfat it may mount it somewhere or something. | 05:14 |
| Scummer | qemu is not starting even tho i installed the cpu transparent devkit... | 05:14 |
| Scummer | anyone else experienced the same prob ? | 05:15 |
| jebba | i believe so. I think i've heard some couldnt get the arm qemu working in the scratchbox | 05:15 |
| jebba | i think it croaked on me too, actually. But i didnt really look into it as i havent needed it yet. You can test your apps in the scratchbox in i386 format... | 05:16 |
| Scummer | but what if you want to actually move the bin over to your phone ? | 05:17 |
| Scummer | it has to be in armel format, no ? | 05:17 |
| jebba | ya, you can still build it in ARM format even without qemu | 05:17 |
| jebba | so you can build for x86 and ARM, test in scratchbox in x86, then copy over the arm debs to the fone for use. | 05:17 |
| Scummer | yeah.. that worked.. i have the modest trunk compiled.. and i'm trying to run it now | 05:17 |
| Scummer | i just need to figure out the qemu thingy | 05:18 |
| jebba | you may not *need* to, if you're lucky. On | 05:18 |
| jebba | ONly if your app behaves differently on ARM than on X86 | 05:19 |
| Scummer | i guess it shouldn't... | 05:19 |
| Scummer | i was even thinking of just moving the bin into my home dir and start it from there | 05:19 |
| Scummer | on the phone | 05:19 |
| jebba | huh? | 05:19 |
| Scummer | copy all libs and the bin over to the home dir on the phone i meant | 05:20 |
| jebba | by the way, what is the "cpu transparent devkit" ? you mean the regular SDK? | 05:20 |
| Scummer | just set the LD path and it should work... | 05:20 |
| jebba | ah | 05:20 |
| Scummer | Have you installed & selected the CPU transparency devkit? | 05:20 |
| Scummer | see | 05:20 |
| Scummer | that's the error message | 05:20 |
| jebba | (12:20:16 AM) jebba: by the way, what is the "cpu transparent devkit" ? you mean the regular SDK? | 05:21 |
| Scummer | i don't really know what the transparent devkit does.. but i know a deb package exists for it | 05:21 |
| Scummer | now i tried to install it but it failed :/ | 05:21 |
| jebba | where did you get it from ? | 05:21 |
| jebba | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0/maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py <--- that's the standard way to install the SDK | 05:22 |
| Scummer | i used the scratchbox-install script and the maemo-sdk install script | 05:22 |
| derf | There are two devkits. | 05:22 |
| Scummer | i followed the wiki.maemo.org | 05:22 |
| derf | cputransp is the old one. | 05:22 |
| derf | qemu is the new one. | 05:22 |
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| derf | When you configure your ARMEL target, you should select the qemu one (specifically, qemu-arm-sb, as the transparency method). | 05:23 |
| jebba | derf: can you give me URLs to old/new so i can see what is what? | 05:23 |
| derf | jebba: Not really, no. | 05:23 |
| jebba | ? | 05:23 |
| derf | They're pacakges in your distribution. | 05:23 |
| Scummer | derf: now when i try to select a devkit, i used the sb-menu and selected qemu-arm-sb for the devkit | 05:24 |
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| derf | You could Google for them and find the upstream ones, but that's probably not terribly helpful. | 05:24 |
| jebba | derf: what are the names for them in debian and/or fedora? | 05:24 |
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| derf | Scummer: Okay, that's the correct thing to do. | 05:24 |
| derf | jebba: No idea. I don't use either. | 05:24 |
| Scummer | derf: but its still not working... i must be missing something | 05:24 |
| derf | But I'll bet they're something with "devkit" and "cputransp" and/or "qemu" in the name. | 05:24 |
| jebba | derf: what do you use? | 05:25 |
| derf | Gentoo. | 05:25 |
| jebba | $ apt-cache search cputransp | 05:25 |
| jebba | scratchbox-devkit-cputransp - CPU transparency methods | 05:25 |
| jebba | nothing in fedora comes up | 05:25 |
| derf | That would be the old one. | 05:25 |
| derf | I.e., for Diablo and before. | 05:26 |
| Scummer | under show target info it does show qemu as the devkit | 05:26 |
| Scummer | ok.. lets see | 05:26 |
| derf | Scummer: What's "not working"? | 05:26 |
| jebba | scratchbox-devkit-qemu that one (plus more like -git) comes up in debian | 05:26 |
| derf | jebba: Yes, that's the new one for Fremantle. | 05:26 |
| Scummer | jebba : hang on.. let me try to narrow this down | 05:27 |
| jebba | but i haven't seen docs talking about this. Scummer what page are you talking about in the wiki? URL? | 05:27 |
| Scummer | this one : http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Starting.2FShutting_down_the_SDK_UI | 05:27 |
| jebba | ah, ya, i guess i just installed that with the "wizard" | 05:28 |
| derf | I actually mostly followed http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Manual_Installation | 05:28 |
| derf | Since, of course, I'm not using Debian or any Debian-based system. | 05:28 |
| Scummer | yep.. the manual_installation part is what i followed as well | 05:28 |
| derf | Scummer: Anyway, you still haven't said what doesn't work. | 05:29 |
| Scummer | derf: ok.. when i try to do a run-standalone.sh modest -s then i get this: | 05:30 |
| Scummer | /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh: line 2: qemu:: command not found | 05:30 |
| Scummer | so qemu is not working right it appears | 05:30 |
| Scummer | /scratchbox/tools/bin/qemu: No qemu binary found. | 05:30 |
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| Scummer | that so far seems to be my main problem in getting this stuff to work | 05:31 |
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| derf | Does /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/ have qemu-arm-sb in it? | 05:32 |
| Scummer | this seems to be a python script that selects qemu based on the devkit selected it seems | 05:32 |
| Scummer | yes it does contain it | 05:32 |
| Scummer | and it runs | 05:33 |
| jebba | i'm outta here for the night and not much work again til monday. have fun all ciao and good luck :) | 05:33 |
| Scummer | i have a feeling the sb-menu program doesn't select the qemu devkit correctly ? | 05:33 |
| Scummer | jebba : g'nite | 05:34 |
| Scummer | even tho under show target info inside sb-menu it does show qemu-arm-sb for CPU-transparency | 05:35 |
| Scummer | the /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin is also in my PATH | 05:36 |
| Scummer | so the qemu python script should find the damn thing | 05:36 |
| derf | I actually don't think that file should even be run. | 05:38 |
| derf | It certainly doesn't work on my scratchbox. | 05:38 |
| Scummer | hmm.. how do you start your programs ? | 05:38 |
| derf | You just run them. | 05:38 |
| derf | Scratchbox figures out if they need emulation. | 05:39 |
| Scummer | i wish that worked :) | 05:39 |
| derf | If I actually try to run qemu it gives me the same error you get. | 05:39 |
| Scummer | interesting | 05:39 |
| Scummer | so.. if you run modest, does it pop up in xephyr ? | 05:39 |
| derf | Apparently no. | 05:40 |
| derf | It just exits without error. | 05:40 |
| Scummer | ok.. same behavior here | 05:40 |
| Scummer | it just exits | 05:41 |
| derf | But that's to be expected, as dbus isn't running. | 05:41 |
| Scummer | hmm.. so when you start the UI shouldn't it work then ? | 05:41 |
| Scummer | so af-sb-init.sh start ? | 05:41 |
| Scummer | and then modest ? | 05:41 |
| derf | Except that af-sb-init.sh does not work in the ARMEL target. | 05:41 |
| Scummer | uahhh | 05:41 |
| derf | It did on prior SDK releases, but not Fremantle. | 05:42 |
| Scummer | ahhh.. fuuuck | 05:42 |
| derf | Don't ask me why. | 05:42 |
| Scummer | how come ? | 05:42 |
| Scummer | oh | 05:42 |
| Scummer | ok | 05:42 |
| Scummer | so i pretty much wasted the whole day trying to figure that one out... lol | 05:42 |
| derf | I don't know. I just know it's a known problem, and the answer is, "Debug in the i386 target, or on the device." | 05:42 |
| Scummer | *snicker* debug on the device | 05:42 |
| Scummer | and brick it while your at it :) | 05:43 |
| Scummer | you're even | 05:43 |
| derf | You should expect to brick your device more than once. | 05:43 |
| Scummer | i guess as long as it can be flashed | 05:43 |
| derf | Make regular back-ups. | 05:43 |
| Scummer | i have only phone numbers so far as data.. and they are all on my sim | 05:43 |
| Scummer | so it would be no loss to reflash | 05:44 |
| Scummer | hmmm | 05:44 |
| Scummer | ok.. time to copy the binaries to the phone | 05:44 |
| Scummer | i really want to know if the trunk modest cures the problem with the large inbox | 05:44 |
| derf | I doubt it. | 05:45 |
| Scummer | i thought in the bug report it said it's fixed.. | 05:45 |
| derf | Well, then maybe you're in luck. I've been complaining about it since modest first existed. | 05:45 |
| derf | Which is something like 2 years now. | 05:45 |
| Scummer | email is one important app i really would like to use | 05:45 |
| derf | I just use webmail. It's the only client that actually works. | 05:45 |
| Scummer | eek | 05:46 |
| derf | modest has been mostly a disaster. | 05:46 |
| Scummer | sounds kinda awful to use | 05:46 |
| derf | And the client before that was worse. | 05:46 |
| Scummer | ouch | 05:46 |
| Scummer | doesn't sound promising | 05:46 |
| derf | Webmail is not the easiest thing to use, no, but it has the advantage of actually working. | 05:46 |
| Scummer | but no notifications and stuff | 05:46 |
| derf | And doesn't fall apart just because you have 20,000 messages in your inbox. | 05:46 |
| Scummer | pain in the nuts.. especially for business use | 05:47 |
| Scummer | *sigh* i do love the phone.. but the crackberry for email was definitely better | 05:47 |
| derf | Well, no one says you have to use the same app to read your mail as you do to get notifications for it. | 05:47 |
| Scummer | hmm.. ok | 05:47 |
| Scummer | just don't open modest | 05:47 |
| Scummer | so tinymail is pulling the email | 05:48 |
| Scummer | and modest is just the frontend i assume | 05:48 |
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| derf | Haha, as much fun as I had with the autobuilder, it could have been worse: http://www.sirena.org.uk/log/2009/12/09/oh-dear/ | 05:52 |
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| ali1234 | is there such a thing as a DECT to SIP bridge? | 05:58 |
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| Scummer | known issues in the SDK: Armel target does not bring up the UI framework | 06:00 |
| Scummer | do I feel like an idiot know | 06:00 |
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| Scummer | reading is definitely advantageous | 06:01 |
| Arkenoi | ali1234, i've seen dect handset with sip-capable base | 06:05 |
| ali1234 | i want the reverse | 06:05 |
| ali1234 | i want a box that connects my SIP phone (n900/n800) to my existing DECT base station | 06:06 |
| ali1234 | i know you can get SIP to PSTN base stations | 06:06 |
| Arkenoi | you have dect and no fxo? | 06:07 |
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| ali1234 | fxo? | 06:07 |
| Arkenoi | why not just use wifi? | 06:07 |
| ali1234 | because i can't make phone calls on wifi? | 06:07 |
| Arkenoi | "old" analogue phone line | 06:07 |
| ali1234 | no | 06:07 |
| Arkenoi | ali1234, why? | 06:08 |
| ali1234 | i want to make and receive landline calls from my n900 | 06:08 |
| Arkenoi | just replace your dect phone station with softswitch | 06:08 |
| Arkenoi | and route it via wifi | 06:08 |
| Scummer | install a fxo card in a linux box and run asterisk ? | 06:08 |
| Arkenoi | Scummer, exactly | 06:09 |
| ali1234 | i want to be able to use the DECT phones and the N900 simultaneously | 06:09 |
| Arkenoi | or just buy cheap chinese box that will do the same | 06:09 |
| ali1234 | so rather than use an analogue box (which i know exists) | 06:09 |
| Scummer | i didn't know those exist.. i do use a cheap fxo in my answering machine | 06:09 |
| ali1234 | i want the exact same thing but with a DECT receiver in it, rather than analogue PSTN jack | 06:10 |
| ali1234 | so, do those exist? | 06:10 |
| ali1234 | i know you can get a DECT PCMCIA card | 06:10 |
| ali1234 | so i could use one of those with an old laptop and asterisk | 06:10 |
| Scummer | you can't run the dect phone parallel with the fxo card ? | 06:10 |
| ali1234 | but i'd prefer a simple solution | 06:10 |
| ali1234 | i don't know, maybe | 06:10 |
| ali1234 | in fact, yeah, i could | 06:11 |
| Scummer | there ya go | 06:11 |
| Scummer | you just can't conference between the dect and your SIP | 06:11 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 06:11 |
| Scummer | or handover | 06:11 |
| ali1234 | if i answer the DECT phone, i can't then transfer it to the SIP | 06:12 |
| ali1234 | which is kind of what i want | 06:12 |
| Scummer | oh | 06:12 |
| Scummer | ok | 06:12 |
| ali1234 | if i answer it on the SIP, i can transfer to the DECT | 06:12 |
| ali1234 | but not the reverse | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, random bloggers are following me on Twitter. | 06:13 |
| Scummer | ali : how do you transfer from sip to dect ? | 06:13 |
| ali1234 | Scummer: just pick up any dect phone and you'll be in the conversation | 06:15 |
| ali1234 | actually i could probably rig the SIP to have a special "just pick up" number too | 06:16 |
| Scummer | oh.. so it's not a true transfer | 06:16 |
| ali1234 | so it is probably workable with an analogue box | 06:16 |
| Scummer | ok | 06:16 |
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| Scummer | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/DECT | 06:18 |
| Scummer | ali : check this out | 06:18 |
| Scummer | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Siemens+Gigaset+C470IP | 06:19 |
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| ali1234 | yeah i read it, but it is mostly about doing the reverse | 06:19 |
| Scummer | ip base station | 06:19 |
| Scummer | so you can use dect phone with sip phones | 06:19 |
| ali1234 | as stated, that's the exact opposite of what i want | 06:19 |
| ali1234 | i want to use my sip phone with my landline | 06:19 |
| ali1234 | i don't know anyone who uses sip, or have any interest in using it, other than for this purpose | 06:20 |
| Scummer | but that would enable to use your sip phone with the landline, no ? | 06:20 |
| ali1234 | no | 06:20 |
| ali1234 | it would enable me to use dect handsets to make and receive sip calls | 06:20 |
| ali1234 | i want to use a sip handset to make and receive dect calls | 06:20 |
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| Scummer | but dect is just the wireless phone.. you still need the base station with a PSTN ? | 06:22 |
| Scummer | i'm confused | 06:23 |
| ali1234 | yes | 06:24 |
| ali1234 | that's the whole point, i want to keep my base station, and all my dect phones | 06:25 |
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| Scummer | oh.. but it might be cheaper to get a new set of phones with a base station that supports SIP as well.. of course i haven't looked at prices yet | 06:25 |
| jebba900 | wifi base + FXO would do it no? | 06:26 |
| ali1234 | yes probably | 06:26 |
| Scummer | jebba : you still need a comp as well ? | 06:26 |
| jebba900 | no | 06:26 |
| jebba900 | of course the wifi base + fxo could be an asterisk box with all that | 06:27 |
| ali1234 | i just want to be able to do landline calls on n900, without disrupting the existing dect setup in any way | 06:27 |
| Scummer | how do you translate sip to analogue with just a fxo box ? | 06:27 |
| Scummer | and a wifi base? | 06:28 |
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| jebba900 | example: common linksys router + ethernet to a sipura which plugs into the wall | 06:28 |
| ali1234 | yeah, i know about those, i nearly bought one | 06:29 |
| Scummer | oh.. so the sipura box is actually a sip to fco converter? i guess i was just thinking about a simple fxo pci card | 06:29 |
| ali1234 | i want that, except with a DECT receiver in it, instead of the analogue jack :) | 06:30 |
| jebba900 | i havent used sipuras for a few years. im sure theres lots of equivalents nw | 06:30 |
| jebba900 | Scummer, correct | 06:30 |
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| jebba900 | first time ive heard of dect but i just read up. if there are sipura like devicces wirth dect u are lucky. if not dect is still just a "regular" fone as far as the n900 would be concerned | 06:32 |
| jebba900 | or get dect in the rx71 ;) | 06:33 |
| jebba900 | now i'm really crashing out tho good nite! | 06:33 |
| ali1234 | yeah it looks like i don't really need the dect receiver, analogue would work just as well, with some tweaks | 06:33 |
| Scummer | simpsons crack me up | 06:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Scummer, Simpsons hasn't been funny since the 90s. | 06:37 |
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| Scummer | GA, the reruns are probably from around that :) | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Season 21. | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Insanity. | 06:38 |
| Scummer | it's the faith off episode running right now | 06:40 |
| Scummer | season 11 episode 11 | 06:40 |
| ds3 | what kind of hoops does one have to jump through if they want to get a N900 before xmas? | 06:42 |
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| luke-jr_ | ds3: become slonopotamus | 06:43 |
| hardaker2 | ds3: pray | 06:43 |
| luke-jr_ | ds3: his local store just up and gave him one, he didn't even ask | 06:43 |
| Scummer | ds3: short of whoring yourself out.. i don't know | 06:43 |
| ds3 | okay | 06:44 |
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| ds3 | what about before the 1st week of Jan? | 06:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, quite possibly ordering from NokiaUSA. | 06:45 |
| luke-jr_ | ds3: http://tinyurl.com/yjb9v6l | 06:46 |
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| ds3 | GA: for xmas or for 1st week of jan? | 06:48 |
| luke-jr_ | ds3: IIRC, only the pre-orders were screwed | 06:49 |
| ds3 | oh | 06:49 |
| luke-jr_ | new orders shipped immediately | 06:49 |
| luke-jr_ | but I could be wrong | 06:49 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: I don't goto any sites on tinyurl | 06:49 |
| luke-jr_ | ds3: it's an image of the Pandora :p | 06:49 |
| luke-jr_ | one of the first real actual devices | 06:49 |
| ds3 | so it may be doable but only at the list $600ish price? | 06:50 |
| luke-jr_ | eh, what else? | 06:50 |
| luke-jr_ | the "list $600ish price" is the only way to get it period, unless you got enough forum points | 06:50 |
| luke-jr_ | or are slonopotamus | 06:50 |
| ds3 | thought Amazon/Dell had it for around $400-$500? | 06:51 |
| ds3 | but long lead times | 06:51 |
| luke-jr_ | meh, I don't know | 06:51 |
| luke-jr_ | doesn't make any sense to me why you could get it cheaper from a third party | 06:51 |
| ds3 | *shrug* | 06:51 |
| ds3 | just need to pamper the N800 for a few more months then :/ | 06:52 |
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| ds3 | the one thing I can see the N900 over the Pandora is the integrated datamodem | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, ignore luke-jr_. His usual pasttime is trolling. | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amazon and Newegg appear to be out. | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amazon only has it listed from a 3rd party at this point. | 06:54 |
| pwnguin | ds3: also the n900 is in my hands, the pandora? | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | So if you want one, it looks like the likeliest option is to go direct. | 06:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Else you're probably going to have to wait if you want it cheaper. | 06:55 |
| luke-jr_ | ds3: if you can afford GSM service, that is indeed a nice benefit | 06:55 |
| ds3 | GA: I was considering it as a personal treat for going nuts the last few months but at $600, it is a bit steep and I think someone recommended against using the garnet emulator on the Nxx0 devices anyways | 06:57 |
| ds3 | luke-jr_: eh? $25 for 3 months isn't that expensive | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, troll. ;) | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, then wait for Amazon to get 'em back in stock at a lower price. | 06:58 |
| luke-jr_ | ds3: here, it's over $100/mo for the minimal plan | 06:58 |
| luke-jr_ | ds3: be glad you live in a half sane country | 06:59 |
| ds3 | GA: the part that stings the most is I paid sub $200 for my N800 and even less for the 770 (all new) | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, bugzilla is currently filled with useless bugs. | 06:59 |
| luke-jr_ | ds3: I paid $800 for my C760 | 07:00 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: but that's the price of an xscale device ;) | 07:00 |
| luke-jr_ | back in 2003 or so, yes | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, well, $600 is the price of being an early adopter. ;) | 07:01 |
| luke-jr_ | GeneralAntilles: I would gladly pay $800 for a N900 if it worked with all free software. ;) | 07:01 |
| ds3 | GA: understood. | 07:01 |
| luke-jr_ | oh, and if GSM service was affordable | 07:02 |
| luke-jr_ | or if it supported something practical here | 07:02 |
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| * Arkenoi did not like Zaurus at all, "pocket desktop" with very poor PDA functionality looked quite silly | 07:02 | |
| ds3 | then there is the price of giving up full size SD cards all together | 07:02 |
| luke-jr_ | Arkenoi: you're not supposed to use the default OS | 07:02 |
| ds3 | along with ANOTHER cable investment to use microusb | 07:02 |
| luke-jr_ | N900 doesn't include a USB cable? | 07:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, hopefully the MicroUSB thing will be better in the long term. | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since that's where the vast majority of devices are headed. | 07:03 |
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| ds3 | I figure if the device is $600ish, I am not going to be able to be done with all the stuff I want for under $1K :( | 07:03 |
| Arkenoi | luke-jr_, haven't seen anything impressive until it became outdated ;-) | 07:03 |
| ds3 | yes, but I have all the adapters for the mini-A/mini-B... even the "illegal" config ones | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, what? Extras chargers, cables, memory card(s)? | 07:03 |
| luke-jr_ | Arkenoi: IIRC I ran GPE OpenZaurus | 07:03 |
| ds3 | cables and LARGE sd cards, adapters to use regular SD | 07:04 |
| luke-jr_ | Arkenoi: also, I was in college then, so most of my usage was taking notes and playing music | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, Amazon has Nokia MicroUSB cables for about $0.60 a piece, anyway. | 07:04 |
| ds3 | and it has to be compact too (I can do it cheaper if I am willing to have a pile of stuff bigger then the old motorola brick phones) | 07:04 |
| ds3 | microUSB to what? | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | USB | 07:04 |
| luke-jr_ | ... | 07:04 |
| Arkenoi | luke-jr_, i used nokia 9k series those days, at least there was phone builtin | 07:05 |
| ds3 | USB A or USB B? | 07:05 |
| ds3 | I am using the N800 right now as more of a laptop device and the N900 is slated for similar use | 07:05 |
| ds3 | so I'd want to be able to goto a mini B, USB A and a USB B at the least | 07:06 |
| luke-jr_ | ds3: you're aware N900 does not support USB host mode? (or did someone figure it out, GeneralAntilles?) | 07:06 |
| ds3 | and probally a suitable hub for power | 07:06 |
| pwnguin | does your 800 do that? | 07:06 |
| ds3 | yes! I have a miniB to full size A cable, mini-B to B | 07:06 |
| ds3 | came in really handy when I needed to take a peek at a thumb drive | 07:07 |
| * Arkenoi tries to think out a purpose for my old 770 | 07:07 | |
| pwnguin | afaik, i have bad news for you | 07:07 |
| pwnguin | n900 is b only | 07:07 |
| luke-jr_ | ... | 07:07 |
| ds3 | someone on this channel was telling me they got it working as a host | 07:07 |
| luke-jr_ | pwnguin: what does that mean? :P | 07:08 |
| luke-jr_ | the difference between A, mini-B, and B, AFAIK, is merely physical | 07:08 |
| ds3 | A/B are connectors | 07:08 |
| ds3 | I am interested in modes | 07:08 |
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| luke-jr_ | so how could N900 be incapable of non-B adapters? | 07:08 |
| pwnguin | ds3: well, id be interested in documentation if it's possible | 07:09 |
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| ds3 | if they used the 4030 phy, it should be doable | 07:10 |
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| * Arkenoi got funny maemo stickers with laser-eyed penguins with my n900, still cannot find a place for it | 07:10 | |
| ds3 | probally a few i2c tweaks and some MUSB voodoo | 07:11 |
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| newbie003 | greetings, I'm trying to connect my n900 to the internet via usb,, I read on the wiki that it should just be a matter of setting the ip address,, however this isn't working for me. Can someone help me out? | 07:15 |
| newbie003 | the thing that I think could be the problem is that I when I set the IP address, I don't know if I am setting the correct one.. | 07:15 |
| newbie003 | However I have tried both "192.168.2.15" and "192.168.2.14" | 07:16 |
| * hardaker2 suggests bying a $30 wireless access point ;-) it'd probably easier. | 07:16 | |
| newbie003 | looking at this guide; http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking under Fedora 12 | 07:16 |
| newbie003 | harddaker2: thanks, I couldn't get wifi working either | 07:16 |
| luke-jr_ | hardaker2: and a $30 wireless access point probably won't work sanely | 07:16 |
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| newbie003 | I have a wireless USB device, and a modem that translates the modem to ethernet/wifi | 07:17 |
| luke-jr_ | ... | 07:17 |
| newbie003 | I can get on it using a wireless laptop, or ethernet, however not this phone | 07:17 |
| newbie003 | I read somewhere that the phone has a bug with some sort of wireless encryption,, | 07:18 |
| Vratha | on a mac, are any of you experiencing the n900 creating several different network interfaces when you connect to the mac in "PC Suite Mode"? | 07:18 |
| Vratha | it just likes to create a new name most of the time | 07:18 |
| newbie003 | Does the phone have a push button sort of wifi connection? | 07:18 |
| Vratha | not sure if that's a problem on my mac or on the n900 | 07:18 |
| luke-jr_ | newbie003: yes, for each packet you want to send, you need to press Esc... | 07:19 |
| newbie003 | I also tried the PIN method | 07:19 |
| newbie003 | ? | 07:19 |
| newbie003 | like-jr_: I'm not quite following,, I' don't know how many packets I would like to send, or when they would get sent | 07:20 |
| luke-jr_ | the escape key | 07:20 |
| newbie003 | I get the button,, you mean on the phone or the computer? | 07:20 |
| luke-jr_ | sigh | 07:20 |
| luke-jr_ | it's sarcasm because you're not making any sense | 07:20 |
| newbie003 | luke-jr_: please explain to me what I have not explained well | 07:20 |
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| newbie003 | I've come to this room hoping to get help with connecting the n900 phone to my computer | 07:22 |
| newbie003 | troll | 07:22 |
| wiretapped | newbie003: what OS? | 07:22 |
| luke-jr_ | he said Fedora 12 | 07:22 |
| newbie003 | wiretapped: Fedora 12 | 07:23 |
| wiretapped | oh sorry | 07:23 |
| newbie003 | it should have CDC Ethernet support | 07:23 |
| luke-jr_ | newbie003: you haven't actually said what your problem is | 07:23 |
| luke-jr_ | just what you're supposedly tried | 07:23 |
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| newbie003 | the problem is that I cannot connect to the internet using the telephone | 07:23 |
| luke-jr_ | what telephone? | 07:24 |
| newbie003 | when I plug in the phone I am prompted to hit "PC Suite" or something else,, I always hit PC Suite | 07:24 |
| luke-jr_ | you mean the GSM modem? | 07:24 |
| newbie003 | n900 | 07:24 |
| luke-jr_ | N900 is not a telephone, but whatever. | 07:24 |
| wiretapped | newbie003: are you trying to get your PC online via your N900? If so, USB networking is probably not what you want | 07:24 |
| newbie003 | ah | 07:24 |
| wiretapped | http://anidel.blogspot.com/2009/10/n900-as-modem-for-ubuntu-910.html looks good | 07:24 |
| newbie003 | no | 07:25 |
| luke-jr_ | newbie003: you said you had wifi, right? | 07:25 |
| newbie003 | no no, My computer is online,, I'm trying to get the phone online. | 07:25 |
| wiretapped | oh! | 07:25 |
| luke-jr_ | newbie003: what exactly doesn't work with wifi? | 07:25 |
| wiretapped | you don't have a wifi network? | 07:25 |
| newbie003 | I do have wifi | 07:25 |
| wiretapped | what is the problem then? | 07:25 |
| luke-jr_ | does tcpdump show packets coming in on the N900? does it show them going out on the router? | 07:26 |
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| newbie003 | I am not sure why wifi doesn't work, the wifi has somesort of special encryption method | 07:26 |
| luke-jr_ | you can't turn off encryption? | 07:26 |
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| newbie003 | ok, do I perform tcpdump on the device or my computer | 07:26 |
| luke-jr_ | on the device first | 07:27 |
| luke-jr_ | then on the router | 07:27 |
| luke-jr_ | your computer is not in the picture for wifi | 07:27 |
| wiretapped | ok i've got my own problem... am i understanding correctly that the n900 uses evolution data server but there isn't an easy way to sync it with evolution on my desktop?! | 07:27 |
| wiretapped | i'm ready for a difficult way, but i haven't even found that | 07:27 |
| newbie003 | I have heard that this sort of wifi router doesn't always connect to some laptops, the router will redirect all traffic to a custom https webpage that requests a password | 07:27 |
| * wiretapped switched to evolution recently thinking it would work well with the N900 | 07:28 | |
| newbie003 | right,, makes since | 07:28 |
| luke-jr_ | newbie003: have you tried using the browser for that? | 07:28 |
| sijk | secondly, is there plans for syncml/http support? | 07:28 |
| newbie003 | luke-jr_ yes, always the browser,, it always prompts me to connect to a wifi network - I am assumeing that means I am not connected | 07:29 |
| luke-jr_ | and when you tell it to connect?? | 07:29 |
| newbie003 | after clicking PC Suite, nothing happens | 07:29 |
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| newbie003 | tcpdump doesnt seem to be installed | 07:30 |
| luke-jr_ | ... | 07:30 |
| newbie003 | perhaps I need to be root | 07:30 |
| newbie003 | I cannot gainroot, because that is not installed | 07:30 |
| luke-jr_ | perhaps you need to tell it to connect over wifi first. | 07:31 |
| luke-jr_ | and report back what happens | 07:31 |
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| newbie003 | luke-jr_: I thought I saw a propmpt once for a "Push Button" to connect to wifi,, aparently you can press a button on both router and wifi | 07:32 |
| newbie003 | sorry "both router and phone" | 07:32 |
| newbie003 | to connect the devices | 07:32 |
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| luke-jr_ | ok, I'm done helping until you tell the N900 to connect to the wifi router and report what happens. | 07:32 |
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| newbie003 | I can no longer find that prompt to "push a button" do you know if it exists? | 07:32 |
| luke-jr_ | open the browser, it should have a way to connect | 07:33 |
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| luke-jr_ | and FYI, I've never seen a N900 before, so don't assume I have any idea what the normal stuff you might see is | 07:33 |
| luke-jr_ | nor have I used Fedora 12 | 07:34 |
| newbie003 | luke-jr_: thanks | 07:34 |
| newbie003 | luke-jr_: ok I clicked the wireless connection, I get an error that says "Network connection error. Try again?" | 07:35 |
| newbie003 | perhaps a /var/log/wifi ? | 07:35 |
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| ShadowJK | btw, if the browser/flash is busy consuming all ram, and you tap titlebar to bring up menu, and tap options, and then ctrl-backspace away before options menu appears, with the dialog asking whether you want to kill browser or not appearing somewhere else and forcing you back to desktop, and the options menu in browser then finally appearing but the device then responding to another ctrl-backspace but sending you to desktop, the kill browser dialog does | 07:36 |
| newbie003 | I have no logs,, perhaps a root issue,, | 07:36 |
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| ShadowJK | nothing and blocks the UI | 07:36 |
| newbie003 | I think the thing for me to do is to try a different wifi connection somewhere | 07:36 |
| * ShadowJK had to ssh in and killall -o browserd :D | 07:37 | |
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| cheeko | is there any other phone on which maemo runs? | 07:38 |
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| ShadowJK | no | 07:38 |
| newbie003 | my only other connection would be, when I set the mac address and hard-code the IP address which IP should I be using and what is the purpose for the other IP address | 07:38 |
| cheeko | is it based on debian | 07:40 |
| ds3 | l | 07:40 |
| ShadowJK | hm, now phone isn't charging anymore :D | 07:41 |
| ShadowJK | cheeko: debian base ish | 07:41 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, replugging helped | 07:43 |
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| luke-jr_ | newbie003: I guess blame Nokia for not giving you error details. :( | 07:45 |
| luke-jr_ | can't troubleshoot a problem w/o a clue what went wrong | 07:45 |
| luke-jr_ | newbie003: as far as USB goes, the simplest method is probably ARP proxy | 07:46 |
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| Vratha | any of you experiencing pretty heavy battery drain on the n900? it seems fairly difficult to tweak it so that it doesn't kill the battery even when idle | 08:09 |
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| ruskie | Scummer, any luck? | 08:20 |
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| crashanddie | anyone very good with WebSphere/J2EE over here? | 08:25 |
| Vratha | woot | 08:26 |
| Vratha | getting 9ms ping time on my ISP and around 95 Mbps download and 14 Mbps upload | 08:26 |
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| crashanddie | 95Mbps? fail | 08:27 |
| Vratha | it is not even close to a fail | 08:29 |
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| crashanddie | well, 100MB/s might be interesting (even though servers will throttle you 90% of the time), but 95Mb/s is pretty average when it comes to "good" internet connections | 08:30 |
| crashanddie | 9ms is very average on most xDSL connections | 08:31 |
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| rohanpm | I would be very pleased with 95Mb/s | 08:32 |
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| Vratha | crashanddie: that's nice | 08:33 |
| Vratha | i don't get throttled | 08:33 |
| crashanddie | however, on P2P it's bliss :) | 08:33 |
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| lardman | morning | 08:41 |
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| wazd | hello maemo | 08:42 |
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| crashanddie | lardman: you don't happen to be a websphere god by any chance? | 08:43 |
| crashanddie | lardman: morning, by the way :) | 08:43 |
| lardman | morning crashanddie | 08:43 |
| lardman | no, I'm not a God of anything web related I'm afraid | 08:43 |
| crashanddie | cock | 08:44 |
| johnx | crashanddie, is IBM's stuff being awesome? | 08:44 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 08:44 |
| crashanddie | 11PM and still at the office :/ | 08:45 |
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| johnx | ugh | 08:45 |
| johnx | I had a fight with BIND, but it only took me until ~9PM | 08:45 |
| lardman | 6.45 and I'm already on the computer, also not good | 08:46 |
| lardman | am | 08:46 |
| crashanddie | johnx: if by any chance, you know how to merge different nodes across separate cells... I used ./manageprofiles -create to bootstrap some nodes from an EJB3 template, but for some reason the separate nodes have been spawned in new cells, which makes it quite difficult for the MQs and buses to connect (and also the JDBC connecters and J2C authenticators aren't shared) | 08:47 |
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| johnx | yeah, you're so far over my head here | 08:47 |
| johnx | though "JDBC" throws horrible warning signs in my head O_o; | 08:47 |
| * johnx tries to figure out if WebSphere is something I would ever need at my company | 08:48 | |
| crashanddie | johnx & lardman: vote for me, click on thanks: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=421858#post421858 | 08:48 |
| crashanddie | johnx: jdbc is easy seriously | 08:49 |
| crashanddie | it's just a connection to a database | 08:50 |
| johnx | yeah, sure. but that J that it's connected to scares me | 08:50 |
| crashanddie | oh | 08:50 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: be scared of the 18 million lines of java that power the code that use it | 08:50 |
| johnx | exactly | 08:50 |
| crashanddie | and that figure isn't very far removed from reality | 08:50 |
| johnx | also: I generally consider "solution" a warning when it's the chief term used to describe a product. When a product is described as a "collection of solutions" I tend to cut n' run | 08:52 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: a solution is rarely a product, a solution is usually the setup of a product within a customer environment | 08:54 |
| crashanddie | at least in management/business peak | 08:54 |
| crashanddie | s/peak/speak/ | 08:54 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: at least in management/business speak | 08:54 |
| johnx | yeah, I guess I should s/product/"thing"/ | 08:54 |
| crashanddie | johnx: as in: "a solution offers the resolution to a business problem, a company offers a product to make that solution a reality" | 08:55 |
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| johnx | solution provided by an entity outside of the company == a way for someone else to have your company by the short-n-curlies | 08:56 |
| crashanddie | johnx: that's why companies create niche business problems that nobody else can fill | 08:56 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: oldest trick in the book, if I make you believe you have a problem and have something I can sell you to solve that problem, am I not fully profitable? | 08:57 |
| pwnguin | http://linux.ananddjoshi.com/ocrdroid/index.php | 08:57 |
| ManuelSE | how do i TURN OFF phone radio? | 08:57 |
| ManuelSE | it always connects | 08:58 |
| johnx | power button -> ofline mode | 08:58 |
| ManuelSE | i want to use wlan | 08:58 |
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| pwnguin | heh | 08:58 |
| johnx | maybe learn dbus? | 08:58 |
| pwnguin | you have to be careful about which radio you mean here | 08:58 |
| pwnguin | theres like three | 08:58 |
| johnx | crashanddie, thank god our execs have a clue O_o | 08:58 |
| pwnguin | maybe 4 | 08:59 |
| ManuelSE | dude, phone radio is precise | 08:59 |
| johnx | including a radio radio :) | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and in europe radio is much like RX | 08:59 |
| pwnguin | ManuelSE: under network settings, you can select automatically connect to: wifi | 08:59 |
| ManuelSE | right | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | even FM-RX | 08:59 |
| ManuelSE | and it ALWAYS starts the 3g connection | 09:00 |
| johnx | pwnguin, is ocrdroid a maemo project? | 09:00 |
| pwnguin | johnx: no =( | 09:00 |
| pwnguin | johnx: i was just taking pictures in the library for fun of some stuff i want to digitize | 09:00 |
| pwnguin | thought i'd plant some seeds | 09:00 |
| ManuelSE | test | 09:01 |
| crashanddie | johnx: that's why they have the big fat checks | 09:01 |
| pwnguin | johnx: it looks like they mainly built it out of open source components | 09:03 |
| pwnguin | tesseract and ocropus | 09:03 |
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| crashanddie | ok well, I give up for tonight | 09:03 |
| crashanddie | I'll sort this shit out tomorrow | 09:03 |
| johnx | yeah. sleep and some coffee always gives a fresh perspective | 09:04 |
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| ManuelSE | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# rmmod pn_pep ssi_mcsaab_imp | 09:06 |
| ManuelSE | nixes the umts connection | 09:06 |
| johnx | or you can just use dbus I bet | 09:06 |
| ManuelSE | yes thanks. but that would waste my time now | 09:07 |
| pwnguin | you bought an n900 but dont want a cellular connection? | 09:08 |
| johnx | I could see not wanting it sometimes | 09:08 |
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| lardman | lol @ tags in that thread crashanddie linked | 09:09 |
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| Corsac | arf, n900 has been delayed to january 5 on expansys | 09:16 |
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| cure` | i'm waiting for providers here | 09:17 |
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| lardman | hmm, my N900 is far too keen to switch to a data connection | 09:37 |
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| ManuelSE | i rmmod -f phonet and smile | 09:38 |
| timeless_mbp | mine switched while i was on a VoIP call | 09:38 |
| timeless_mbp | the call didn't survive | 09:38 |
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| lardman | anyone else having troubles with gonvert? | 09:39 |
| lardman | I've got a postinst error | 09:39 |
| luke-jr_ | timeless_mbp: Nokia didn't bother to put proper mechanisms in place for that? | 09:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 09:39 |
| luke-jr_ | or was it XMPP? | 09:39 |
| luke-jr_ | not sure if XMPP has that functionality | 09:39 |
| luke-jr_ | but SIP certainly does | 09:40 |
| PolarFox | Then phone should lock the data connection while call is in progress.. | 09:40 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno, all i know is that it didn't seem to work | 09:40 |
| luke-jr_ | ... | 09:40 |
| timeless_mbp | and i was talking to my parents | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | so it was mostly embarrassing | 09:41 |
| luke-jr_ | PolarFox: it can learn its new IP and transfer the call | 09:41 |
| luke-jr_ | in theory without hiccups | 09:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's possible the call would have healed eventually | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | but it certainly didn't fix itself quickly | 09:41 |
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| mikeos | hi, I can't find powertop.. any clue? | 09:43 |
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| Markus23 | Is it possible to write voip sms using maemo? | 09:48 |
| Markus23 | (not using gsm but umts or wlan) | 09:48 |
| Markus23 | sip voip client is there I assume? | 09:48 |
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| ifreq | voips sms whats that man :) | 09:50 |
| ifreq | used sip and many voips.but newer heard youmcould text with it | 09:50 |
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| ifreq | tho skype=voip.you can chat too | 09:51 |
| ifreq | pff misspaste | 09:51 |
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| Markus23 | ifreq: so sip on n900 is no problem? | 09:51 |
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| Markus23 | A mobile provider gives 50 free sms with a sip package | 09:52 |
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| Markus23 | so you say that it is technically not sip... | 09:52 |
| Markus23 | (the sms) | 09:52 |
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| ifreq | well afaik.but not 1st time ive proven wrong | 09:54 |
| ifreq | call them and ask | 09:54 |
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| mece | So I tested the N900 proper yesterday. | 09:57 |
| ifreq | and..? :) | 09:57 |
| mece | Well it survived 2 hours of circle pits and walls of death. so good on that. My ngage cracked it's shell in similar conditions :) | 09:58 |
| mece | I'd call it robust :D | 09:58 |
| ifreq | heh | 09:58 |
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| lardman | mece: on a bicycle? | 09:59 |
| Markus23 | ifreq: will do that, thanks for help | 09:59 |
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| lardman | or skateboard? | 10:00 |
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| slonopotamus | is it only me not seeing qik in app manager? | 10:04 |
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| Markus23 | ifreq: ok, the sms feature is something they implemented in their own client, seems like I can't use that anyway | 10:10 |
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| timeless | bergie: hey, do you know the mauku people? | 10:27 |
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| bergie | timeless: I've chatted with hhedberg couple of times, mostly about the Qaiku support in Mauku. Why? | 10:28 |
| timeless | got a bunch of bugs, am looking for a bug tracker | 10:29 |
| timeless | the one i have requires me to jump through too many hoops | 10:30 |
| Myrtti | timeless: he's been more or less awol for a month or a so, doesn't seem to be responding in twitter to people angry about mauku bugs at all | 10:33 |
| timeless | heh | 10:33 |
| timeless | glory | 10:33 |
| Myrtti | apparently he's got a version of mauku (or sources of it) somewhere that fix some of the bugs | 10:33 |
| Myrtti | but nobody knows if he has an open vcs or if he's just brewing the fixes on his harddrive | 10:34 |
| Myrtti | perhaps the harddrive will hatch something, but nobody knows... | 10:34 |
| ruskie | lol | 10:34 |
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| * timeless sighs | 10:36 | |
| * timeless kicks entourage | 10:37 | |
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| * Stskeeps glances at his coffee | 10:37 | |
| Myrtti | oh FOR FUCKS SAKE | 10:37 |
| Myrtti | is deleting stuff really made this difficult? | 10:37 |
| timeless | ? | 10:37 |
| Myrtti | the file manager is shite. | 10:37 |
| Myrtti | ;____; | 10:37 |
| timeless | have you found.. | 10:38 |
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| timeless | petrovich? | 10:38 |
| timeless | it's my friend | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | next up, Deletor | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:38 |
| Myrtti | and no unzip either? | 10:38 |
| Myrtti | crapcakes | 10:38 |
| timeless | we're following the ms model | 10:39 |
| timeless | zip was integrated in what, windows ME? | 10:39 |
| Myrtti | I can see that | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: isn't there a Xarchiver or something | 10:39 |
| timeless | so it's going to come in version 9 | 10:39 |
| lardman | lol | 10:39 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: I somehow have the distinct feeling and memory that unzipping was there OOTB in <5 | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: not afaik | 10:40 |
| timeless | myrtti: in backup | 10:40 |
| Myrtti | I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | well, in backup | 10:40 |
| timeless | zip is the format | 10:40 |
| timeless | but other than that, no. never | 10:40 |
| johnx | but xarchiver was there | 10:40 |
| timeless | not in the box | 10:40 |
| johnx | I'd really like to see it done the mac os x way | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | morning john | 10:40 |
| Myrtti | brilliant | 10:40 |
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| timeless | johnx: no! | 10:40 |
| johnx | timeless, yeah. s/there/available/ | 10:40 |
| johnx | timeless, maybe the beos5 way then? | 10:40 |
| timeless | the osx way *sucks* on multi volume space constrained systems | 10:40 |
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| lardman | johnx: what's the MacOS way? | 10:41 |
| timeless | from memory the beos 5 way is fine | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | fuse integration, maybe | 10:41 |
| johnx | timeless, there's only *one* volume though (that the user can unzip to from the GUI) | 10:41 |
| timeless | lardman: roughly things are auto expanded and you're screwed | 10:41 |
| lardman | ok | 10:41 |
| johnx | in mac: double click, thing expands in current directory | 10:41 |
| timeless | given how things work in maemo5 | 10:41 |
| timeless | we should go the symbian way | 10:41 |
| timeless | where double clicking opens a subview | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36691 | 10:42 |
| timeless | which lets you expand whereever you want | 10:42 |
| timeless | johnx: there are 2 in the n900 | 10:42 |
| lardman | I think basically you should go someway at least ;) | 10:42 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't mind a good vmware client on his n900 | 10:42 | |
| Myrtti | I need a cinnamon roll and booze. | 10:42 |
| timeless | we still have microSD | 10:42 |
| johnx | ah | 10:42 |
| johnx | you're right. I totally forgot about that because I don't have one | 10:42 |
| johnx | yeah, something more beos-like seems right to me then | 10:43 |
| timeless | that's because we forgot to include the free 32mb microSD insult card | 10:43 |
| lardman | bbl chaps | 10:43 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, hmm? | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: imagine accessing vmware infrastructure on n900 :P | 10:43 |
| jaem | morning | 10:43 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I'm imagining kicking vmware out at work and replacing it with xen :) | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hehe, okay | 10:44 |
| Myrtti | I'm happy I'm trying out the scratchbox and maemo5 before actually buying the device | 10:44 |
| Myrtti | the UI is somewhat... painful | 10:44 |
| johnx | nah. I actually just had the conversation today with my boss and essentially got the go-ahead :) | 10:44 |
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| jaem | so, this weekend should be fun - I'll be researching and writing a paper on my N900 ;) | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: just remember the SDK is not an emulator, it's basically a bunch of hildon stuff slapped together that feels remotely like a maemo5 instance :P | 10:45 |
| jaem | for lack of anything else | 10:45 |
| * timeless sighs | 10:45 | |
| * timeless wishes Entourage wouldn't constantly beach ball | 10:45 | |
| jaem | which means I need to get Wikipedia loaded onto it too | 10:45 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: yeah, I'd assume the actual experience would be slower and more painful | 10:45 |
| arachnist | Myrtti: on the device the ui works very well | 10:45 |
| timeless | it makes doing anything hard | 10:45 |
| johnx | Myrtti, faster actually | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: no, actually faster | 10:45 |
| jaem | Myrtti, agreed | 10:45 |
| jaem | it's quite nice | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: the SDK is sw-rendering on many machines | 10:45 |
| Myrtti | I'm not too hopeful | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | youtube n900 videos :P | 10:46 |
| timeless | nice | 10:46 |
| Myrtti | the application menus drive me crazy | 10:46 |
| timeless | entourage can't handle progress for a folder w/ 100k messages | 10:46 |
| timeless | after the first 99 messages it shows: | 10:46 |
| timeless | 100/124... | 10:47 |
| Myrtti | the whole stress on fingerability that has stripped many so good apps to one fifth of the features they originally have | 10:47 |
| Myrtti | case example: xournal | 10:47 |
| Myrtti | or osso-xterm | 10:47 |
| timeless | myrtti: so... | 10:47 |
| johnx | osso-xterm is way better | 10:47 |
| timeless | try connectivity dialogs | 10:47 |
| johnx | and what's xournal missing? | 10:47 |
| timeless | you'll find that they suck | 10:47 |
| timeless | because they aren't fingerable | 10:47 |
| timeless | 400/12... | 10:48 |
| timeless | er | 10:48 |
| timeless | 4000/12... | 10:48 |
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| * timeless can't believe ms didn't make sure the field supported 100k mailboxes | 10:48 | |
| ruskie | lol | 10:48 |
| jaem | timeless, on an aside, do you have any idea how easy it would be to lobotomize the accent composition mode from the charmap (on a personal build, I mean)? | 10:48 |
| ruskie | you are joking right? | 10:48 |
| jaem | I never actually use accents, and so it's annoying | 10:48 |
| Myrtti | johnx: everthing that was in maemo4 version, that isn't in maemo5. For example, I don't dream of designing patterns with it anymore. | 10:48 |
| johnx | oh, it supports mailboxes with 100kB of messages just fine? what you want more than that? madness! | 10:48 |
| timeless | jaem: it's a keymap | 10:48 |
| timeless | it should be pretty easy | 10:48 |
| jaem | timeless, are you saying it wouldn't require source modifications? | 10:49 |
| timeless | jaem: do us a favor and whack the project manager while you're at it | 10:49 |
| johnx | Myrtti, ah. I guess I didn't lose anything I ever used, but I'm kind of a "light" xournal user | 10:49 |
| jaem | timeless, sorry? | 10:49 |
| timeless | jaem: oh, um, you'll have to modify something | 10:49 |
| jaem | kk | 10:49 |
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| jaem | I'll take a look next week, probably... I'm going out for the weekend | 10:49 |
| timeless | but the file should be some vaguely documented file | 10:49 |
| Myrtti | no option for grid background - eh. And if you say "you should export a pdf with grid layout in xournal on your computer, and then annotate that" what a crappy solution | 10:49 |
| jaem | concert, and then early Christmas | 10:49 |
| jaem | timeless, "vaguely documented"? Woo! That's what I've been dealing with the last few weeks | 10:50 |
| Myrtti | anyway, ranting is useless, I've learnt that | 10:50 |
| jaem | good fun! | 10:50 |
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| * jaem rants at Myrtti | 10:50 | |
| timeless | myrtti: i learned to detect a rant | 10:50 |
| Myrtti | All I get is "you're using your tools wrong, use this app to do what you want" and "have you contacted upstream" | 10:50 |
| johnx | Myrtti, you could talk to the xournal dev at least | 10:50 |
| timeless | calm down and hopefully politely address it | 10:50 |
| timeless | boy was that challenging | 10:50 |
| Myrtti | or "so there's the specs, why don't you do it yourself" | 10:50 |
| timeless | someone gave you specs?! | 10:51 |
| timeless | that sounds like a criminal offense | 10:51 |
| timeless | passing classified documents | 10:51 |
| johnx | I think in this case talking to "upstream" might actually get you somewhere. Maybe the xournal guy really doesn't use the features he dropped? | 10:51 |
| Myrtti | johnx: or I could just stop dreaming about N900 and save my money and use my N95 and N800 until they break. | 10:51 |
| Myrtti | johnx: *shrug* | 10:51 |
| johnx | Myrtti, you could of course. I can't even cope with using my N800 anymore, though :| | 10:52 |
| Myrtti | I'll contact him all right, I'm just not having high hopes. Hope is the mindkiller, losing hope is worse than not having it in the first place | 10:52 |
| timeless | oh, how nice | 10:52 |
| johnx | I mean, really, what's the harm in asking the xournal guy? he's not even a Nokia employee (AFAIK) | 10:52 |
| timeless | this copy dialog is at least window modal, if not app modal | 10:52 |
| timeless | but it isn't a sheet | 10:52 |
| timeless | yay ms | 10:52 |
| johnx | ah, sorry. typed that before I read your response | 10:52 |
| jaem | johnx, I know ;) My problem is that my N900 is a dev loaner :( | 10:52 |
| jaem | so I'll have to give it back | 10:52 |
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| johnx | jaem, yeah. I've got a loaner too, due back in march or so I guess | 10:53 |
| timeless | myrtti: it's not like your asking someone to put an 'n' back where it belongs | 10:53 |
| Myrtti | I'll just crawl back to my cave now. | 10:53 |
| johnx | gotta save up $cost_of_n900_2010 in march by the time I have to send it back | 10:53 |
| timeless | hrm | 10:53 |
| jaem | johnx, my prof scooped them at Dev Days, since the one we ordered throught the local office was taking forever | 10:53 |
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| timeless | i think my copy died and it's trying again? | 10:54 |
| jaem | johnx, yeah, I wish I could :( | 10:54 |
| * timeless looks up the standard definition of insanity | 10:54 | |
| sayjava | does anyone know if there is a problem on the maemo playing audio over the network with the phonon framework? | 10:54 |
| johnx | jaem, skip lunch | 10:54 |
| luke-jr_ | johnx: I imagine you will have $cost_of_n900_2010 extra to spend | 10:54 |
| jaem | johnx, for how long? | 10:54 |
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| luke-jr_ | johnx: slonopotamus just got a N900 gifted without any terms | 10:54 |
| timeless | sayjava: that sounds like something that's either filed in bugs.maemo.org or not filed there | 10:54 |
| johnx | jaem, until march maybe? | 10:54 |
| jaem | even if I was buying food at the residence dining hall, itwould be awhile | 10:54 |
| jaem | hah | 10:54 |
| luke-jr_ | slonopotamus: curious timing | 10:55 |
| johnx | luke-jr_, that's interesting. what were the circumstances? | 10:55 |
| jaem | luke-jr_, nice | 10:55 |
| sayjava | timeless: just wanted to check if anyone else is having same issue | 10:55 |
| luke-jr_ | johnx: someone contacted him and told him to come pick up a N900 | 10:55 |
| luke-jr_ | johnx: or something like that | 10:55 |
| johnx | probably won't happen to me :) | 10:55 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr_, morning :) | 10:55 |
| timeless | sayjava: that's what bugs.maemo.org is for | 10:55 |
| timeless | if they're having the issue, they report a bug | 10:55 |
| timeless | if you don't provide steps to reproduce, no one can say | 10:56 |
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| timeless | since you're talking about a network, presumably you can provide a public url and steps so someone else could try | 10:56 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr_, no f*cking tab here. i can't use xchat | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-i? | 10:57 |
| timeless | slono; that's why i use epic/ircii :) | 10:57 |
| luke-jr_ | timeless: I suspect he means ssh -X remotehost with working sound | 10:57 |
| Myrtti | note, I'm giving panucci a try - again. If *THIS* isn't any better than the diablo version is, I'll be very, very sad. | 10:57 |
| luke-jr_ | slonopotamus: Xchat ftl | 10:57 |
| * jaem is pondering hooking up a physical throttle to rtorrent :) | 10:57 | |
| * luke-jr_ wonders how you can physically throttle an application | 10:57 | |
| johnx | jaem, like a gas pedal? or more like one from a motorcycle? | 10:58 |
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| jaem | johnx, speedboat | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr_: "nice" ? ;p | 10:58 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, liar. you didn't autocomplete my nick either :) | 10:58 |
| luke-jr_ | Stskeeps: ??????????????? | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr_: throttling an app :P | 10:58 |
| timeless | slono: i don't believe in autocomplete | 10:58 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 10:58 |
| timeless | your name is too long :) | 10:58 |
| luke-jr_ | Stskeeps: "nice" isn't physical | 10:58 |
| luke-jr_ | timeless is right! | 10:58 |
| luke-jr_ | slonopotamus: your name violates the RFC | 10:59 |
| Myrtti | or then again, it could just crash in the scratchbox. | 10:59 |
| luke-jr_ | I demand you fix it! | 10:59 |
| luke-jr_ | :p | 10:59 |
| jaem | lame... this torrent is so poorly seeded that I'm pulling only ~250kB/s on a 35Mbps connection :/ | 10:59 |
| Myrtti | ho-hum | 10:59 |
| jaem | that makes me cry | 10:59 |
| timeless | iirc the limit is 11 chars | 10:59 |
| timeless | and you're 12 | 10:59 |
| * Myrtti goes to get some glögi with red wine in it. | 10:59 | |
| luke-jr_ | timeless: right | 10:59 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr_, file a bugreport :p | 10:59 |
| luke-jr_ | timeless++ | 10:59 |
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| Myrtti | NO it's NOT too early for wine yet. | 11:00 |
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| slonopotamus_ftw | that's max | 11:00 |
| RST38h | heffalumpus | 11:00 |
| timeless | slono: classically irc had an 11 char limit | 11:00 |
| slonopotamus_ftw | ctrl+i in xchat does smth weird | 11:00 |
| luke-jr_ | I wrote a fancy algorithm to make my bots fit in the 11 char limit | 11:01 |
| luke-jr_ | works for up to like 1600 instances | 11:01 |
| luke-jr_ | which is apparently far too few :| | 11:01 |
| timeless | heh | 11:01 |
| slonopotamus_ftw | ... | 11:01 |
| Myrtti | timeless: wasn't it 9? | 11:01 |
| timeless | what kind of botnet were you managing? | 11:01 |
| timeless | myrtti: hrm | 11:01 |
| Myrtti | I could remember wrong... | 11:01 |
| luke-jr_ | timeless: http://gitorious.org/geneticbot | 11:01 |
| Myrtti | again, isnt' the only time | 11:01 |
| timeless | aol had a 10 char limit | 11:01 |
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| timeless | (timelessne) | 11:02 |
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| luke-jr_ | ok, my bad link | 11:02 |
| luke-jr_ | http://gitorious.org/geneticchat | 11:02 |
| slonopotamus_ftw | limits are for losers! | 11:02 |
| luke-jr_ | there it is | 11:02 |
| timeless | slono: yeah, we should just use nicks which are 256mb long | 11:02 |
| timeless | that'll work well on n900s :) | 11:02 |
| johnx | then we can just show the hash of those nicks in the channel :) | 11:03 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* atleast I got my row counter. | 11:03 |
| luke-jr_ | timeless: note it was only able to manage > 1600 instances when they all shared a single process :) | 11:03 |
| jaem | timeless, millibits are pretty small - it might work | 11:03 |
| jaem | ;) | 11:03 |
| luke-jr_ | jaem: 256mb isn't *that* small | 11:03 |
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| luke-jr_ | still 32 MB | 11:03 |
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| ruskie | lol | 11:04 |
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| johnx | mb != Mb | 11:04 |
| ruskie | hmm I wish the notification would mess up input focus | 11:04 |
| johnx | I think the first one is millibars actually | 11:04 |
| luke-jr_ | johnx: metric != computer units | 11:04 |
| jaem | luke-jr_, no, 256 mibibits == 1/4 1b | 11:04 |
| pupnik | how close are you gettin macro focus on n900? | 11:04 |
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| luke-jr_ | timeless: anyhow, to summarize, the bot swarm is self-mutating survival of the fittest | 11:05 |
| slonopotamus_ftw | so... autocomplete in xchat in fremantle, anyone? :) and where qik dissapeared... | 11:05 |
| jaem | timeless, any idea what keywords might be useful to find the charmap stuff? | 11:05 |
| jaem | I'm not having much luck in mxr | 11:05 |
| timeless | jaem: hrm, vkb as a find? | 11:05 |
| timeless | you really want to start by finding the layouts | 11:06 |
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| jaem | timeless, trying it | 11:06 |
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| timeless | you might try rx51 | 11:06 |
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| jaem | so it's part of vkb, then? | 11:06 |
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| timeless | dunno | 11:06 |
| jaem | not a separate component? | 11:06 |
| jaem | hmm | 11:06 |
| timeless | you're basically looking for the thing that manages key composition/mapping iirc | 11:06 |
| jaem | yes | 11:06 |
| jaem | ah... here we go... maybe | 11:06 |
| timeless | but it's definitely a task for find not search | 11:06 |
| jaem | heh | 11:07 |
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| * timeless sighs | 11:08 | |
| timeless | entourage is really not working | 11:08 |
| johnx | that's how you can tell it's entourage? | 11:09 |
| johnx | if it started working you might mistake it for a very recent version of mac os x mail | 11:09 |
| timeless | well, there's a parentless dialog labeled "Copying Messages" | 11:09 |
| johnx | yeah. mislabeled. It should read "Screwing something up" | 11:10 |
| timeless | and clicking it changes the menubar to Entourage | 11:10 |
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| timeless | johnx: my entourage forces me to rebuild the mail database every time i launch the app :) | 11:10 |
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| johnx | but you can enjoy all the benefits of your exchange server, right? | 11:10 |
| timeless | (this is not an exageration) | 11:11 |
| johnx | eh, mac os x mail did the same to some of our users in older (tiger especially) versions | 11:11 |
| timeless | johnx: you mean the daily message saying "you've exceeded 90% of your metric-gigabyte mailbox limit"? | 11:11 |
| timeless | yes, i look forward to that message every day | 11:12 |
| timeless | it helps me reach my limit | 11:12 |
| timeless | since it isn't a free message | 11:12 |
| johnx | sanity limit? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: how's enus coming along? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | (i dont' have time to test until after 15th) | 11:12 |
| timeless | sts: it's going to regress with whatever service release | 11:13 |
| jaem | timeless, same here (15th) | 11:13 |
| timeless | i've got a few strings in display that need rewrites | 11:13 |
| timeless | and i have a plan to fix the reboot issue | 11:13 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:13 |
| timeless | i was supposed to discuss the bug w/ eero yesterday, but didn't feel well enough | 11:13 |
| jaem | mornin' Jaffa | 11:13 |
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| johnx | timeless, hey. would there be any reason that your translation pack might totally screw up pulseaudio and/or hildon-status-menu? | 11:14 |
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| timeless | pulse? not that i know of | 11:14 |
| timeless | hildon-status-menu? you'll need a reboot.. | 11:14 |
| timeless | but otherwise, no | 11:15 |
| jaem | gah... I have an exam in 7 hours | 11:15 |
| johnx | I think that one was screwing up the other causing them both to try and use 100% of the CPU | 11:15 |
| * jaem is going to sleep | 11:15 | |
| jaem | night, all | 11:15 |
| johnx | through multiple reboots | 11:15 |
| johnx | jaem, better than a 7 hour exam | 11:15 |
| johnx | 'night jaem | 11:15 |
| timeless | sleep well | 11:16 |
| jaem | johnx, true | 11:16 |
| jaem | thanks | 11:16 |
| jaem | night | 11:16 |
| timeless | johnx: um, i claim no matter what my stuff does, if pulse goes nuts, that's a problem w/ pulse | 11:16 |
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| johnx | timeless, I have a feeling that something was asking it to do something repeatedly | 11:17 |
| aquatix | good morning all | 11:18 |
| timeless | strings don't ask people to do work :) | 11:18 |
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| johnx | yeah. the only thing that implicates strings was the timing | 11:19 |
| johnx | I have another suspect, but I figured I'd have you vouch for your package anyways :) | 11:19 |
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| pupnik | /jo | 11:19 |
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| * timeless curses | 11:26 | |
| timeless | anyone here understand upstart? | 11:26 |
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| luke-jr_ | I understand pizza. | 11:28 |
| arachnist | mmm, pizza | 11:28 |
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| luke-jr_ | exactly. | 11:28 |
| pupnik | there are a lot of mysterious things running on n900 :) | 11:29 |
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| luke-jr_ | pupnik: including a mouse?!?!? | 11:29 |
| pupnik | oh can we use old n800 hack to show cursor? | 11:29 |
| luke-jr_ | ... | 11:29 |
| pupnik | if i get started again, i need that synergy | 11:29 |
| pupnik | x pointer | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: you need to set a x pointer or something | 11:30 |
| luke-jr_ | why not a Y pointer? | 11:30 |
| pupnik | yeah, somewhere in /home/user there was somth like that | 11:30 |
| pupnik | X11 | 11:30 |
| X-Fade | And remove the transparent mouse pointer icon ;) | 11:30 |
| luke-jr_ | and finally get a pizza. | 11:31 |
| * luke-jr_ wonders if he spends too much time around markov bots | 11:31 | |
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| pupnik | 10:37 <@Koan> Tired of the boring voices on GPS tracking systems telling you where to go? Don't fret my pets, Snoop Dogg to the rescue! The 38-year-old rapper has lent his voice out to GPS company TomTom, providing two versions of voice overs. | 11:40 |
| pupnik | with, and without f-words | 11:40 |
| johnx | :D | 11:40 |
| johnx | the second part is what makes it | 11:40 |
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| luke-jr_ | ........... | 11:40 |
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| pupnik | the 3g agps assistance is fantastic! but why cant we assist manually? | 11:41 |
| pupnik | if we know where we are? which is sometimes the case... | 11:42 |
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| timeless | woohoo | 11:42 |
| timeless | copy+paste ftww | 11:42 |
| timeless | win-win | 11:42 |
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| johnx | win-win = 0? | 11:42 |
| pupnik | right, i am moving shop to brainstorm | 11:42 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | ODROID dev edition shipping, $349 with breakout board and cable | 11:44 |
| timeless | sts: so | 11:44 |
| timeless | i need an upstart guru | 11:44 |
| timeless | gadgetoid: is that on topic? | 11:45 |
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| johnx | timeless, as a potential maemo/mer target? yeah, kinda at least | 11:45 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | timeless: yup! | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: not personally one | 11:46 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | loosely speaking | 11:46 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Android sucks, but a Maemo ODROID would be... an ODMAEMO? | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | nah, mer/odroid | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:46 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | How is Mer, anyway? | 11:47 |
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| timeless | johnx: in #mer sure | 11:47 |
| arachnist | i wonder when someone will port dalvik to maemo/mer | 11:48 |
| arachnist | that'd be cool | 11:48 |
| johnx | timeless, you're talking about entourage and telling people an linux-based omap3 device (capable of running Maemo5/6 in terms of hardware) is off-topic? | 11:48 |
| melmoth | i m lost in c++, trying to compile a simple calendar-backend test thingy. | 11:50 |
| melmoth | http://pastebin.com/mc841715 | 11:50 |
| timeless | johnx: it's my copororate mailbox for managing work on maemo :) | 11:50 |
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| melmoth | any idea why is the calendar-backend lib not found by the linker whereas pkg-config says it s there ? | 11:50 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | The ODROID guys seem to ignore my repeat requests for a unit, sheesh | 11:51 |
| timeless | melmoth: -l != -L | 11:51 |
| johnx | Gadgetoid_mbp, as in "take my money!" or "gimme one for free!" ? | 11:51 |
| timeless | you need to specify -L /path/to/junk -llib_name | 11:51 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | johnx: "gimme one for free" is my usual approach | 11:51 |
| timeless | but you should use `pkg-config --cflags --libs package_name` | 11:52 |
| johnx | Gadgetoid_mbp, well, it's always worth a try | 11:52 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | johnx: even if it results in a loan, definitely | 11:52 |
| melmoth | timeless is it not what i did ? g++ -Wall -o test test.cpp -I/usr/include/calendar-backend/ -lcalendar-backend | 11:53 |
| melmoth | ahh, -L | 11:53 |
| melmoth | and -l | 11:53 |
| melmoth | thanks. | 11:53 |
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| pupnik | Nice job offer in my area for an embedded/firmware programmer | 11:53 |
| melmoth | now i m puzzled as to what -I is about hten :) | 11:53 |
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| timeless | melmoth: you could read the man pages... | 11:54 |
| timeless | L is "add directory to library search path" | 11:54 |
| timeless | l is "link against a library (in search path) which has roughly this name" | 11:54 |
| timeless | the definition of roughly varies by platforms | 11:55 |
| timeless | on linux, i think you get "lib" lib_name ".so" | 11:55 |
| melmoth | yop, i should have read the man page | 11:55 |
| timeless | s/platforms/platform/ | 11:55 |
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| melmoth | hmmm | 12:00 |
| florian | good morning | 12:00 |
| melmoth | "does not work" :) | 12:00 |
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| hrw | morning | 12:02 |
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| hrw | ok, time to report another bug | 12:06 |
| * ruskie wonders what | 12:06 | |
| hrw | groups in contacts | 12:06 |
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| ruskie | you mean lack of? | 12:07 |
| timeless | not fair, you can group your gtalk, your skype, your sip, your sim | 12:08 |
| timeless | that's lots of groups! | 12:08 |
| timeless | (all useless!) | 12:08 |
| ruskie | lol | 12:08 |
| ruskie | no gtalk installed no skype installed, sim has no contacts, only one sip account(and that is my own) | 12:08 |
| timeless | (please do complain) | 12:08 |
| timeless | my customer complained about it | 12:09 |
| timeless | and pretty much everyone in his class does | 12:09 |
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| timeless | (they all send out mass sms mailings regularly) | 12:09 |
| andre__ | hrw, sounds like enhancement request. | 12:09 |
| timeless | no, it's a bug | 12:09 |
| timeless | lack of a basic phone feature | 12:09 |
| pupnik | mass-sms is basic? i am not a phone person | 12:10 |
| vesa | lack of a feature isn't a bug if it's not been advertised | 12:10 |
| pupnik | right | 12:10 |
| * timeless grumbles | 12:10 | |
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| pupnik | but it should be added | 12:10 |
| vesa | i agree, but it just isn't a bug =) | 12:10 |
| timeless | the bug is a lack of a requirement | 12:10 |
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| pupnik | manym folks in germany are totally sms-oriented | 12:10 |
| timeless | the bug isn't in the software, it's in the requirements document | 12:10 |
| mece | timeless, LOL | 12:10 |
| timeless | but it's still a bug | 12:10 |
| pupnik | ahh interesting | 12:11 |
| timeless | pupnik: it hardly matters | 12:11 |
| timeless | if you upgrade to using email, you can still want a mailing list | 12:11 |
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| timeless | we don't support them in mail either! | 12:11 |
| vesa | if it were a bug in the requirements document, that would mean that the document has interpreted some other document, stating what should be included, wrong. | 12:11 |
| pupnik | so many things to improve. my brain asplodes | 12:12 |
| timeless | vesa: it's called poor research | 12:12 |
| hrw | bug 6850 | 12:12 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6850 Contacts does not allow to show only non-IM contacts | 12:12 |
| timeless | the researcher submitted buggy work | 12:12 |
| timeless | it's a bug | 12:12 |
| vesa | you can't call it a bug if the requirement is nowhere to be found =) | 12:12 |
| timeless | i most certainly can | 12:12 |
| timeless | i just did. | 12:12 |
| Hukka | I noticed that there are some extensions to the integrated IM system in M5 in extras-testing, but they all had bad karma. | 12:12 |
| vesa | i squash your bug with petty nitpicking! | 12:12 |
| mece | timeless, calling it that doesn't make it so though.. | 12:12 |
| Hukka | But in principle, is it possible to get anything there, like IRC notifications? | 12:13 |
| hrw | andre__: I will enter EACH bug which I will find into bugtracker. | 12:13 |
| hrw | andre__: and only to bugtracker | 12:13 |
| hrw | andre__: I do not care about 'brainstorm' section because it is useless | 12:13 |
| sejo | lol @timeless | 12:13 |
| andre__ | hrw, if it's bugs, sure. that's the place. if it's enhancement requests, it's brainstorm | 12:13 |
| andre__ | hrw, ah, okay. I can deactivate your account in case of abuse, no problem. | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: did we remove enhancement requests from bugzilla yet? :P | 12:14 |
| hrw | andre__: add comments, mails on new activity etc functionality to brainstorm maybe? | 12:14 |
| melmoth | timeless: i m still lost, any idea what i am doing wrong ? http://pastebin.com/m2a4484e5 | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | (like, the type) | 12:14 |
| andre__ | hrw, ask someone else? I explained all this three days ago to you already? read what I write? | 12:14 |
| florian | hrm.. the contacts application sucks badly | 12:14 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, no, but b.m.o is meant for really trivial ones. rest should go to brianstorm | 12:14 |
| timeless | -I/usr/include/calendar-backend/ | 12:15 |
| hrw | andre__: you did, I just like to repeat from time to time to not forgot | 12:15 |
| timeless | I oh, that's an I not an l | 12:15 |
| andre__ | hrw, okay :) | 12:15 |
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| adeus | -lcalendar_backend | 12:15 |
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| timeless | it should be -lcalendar_backend | 12:15 |
| * timeless sighs | 12:15 | |
| timeless | this font sucks :( | 12:15 |
| * mece agrees | 12:16 | |
| timeless | but really, you want to use pkg-config | 12:16 |
| mece | well that font, not this. | 12:16 |
| timeless | `pkg-config calendar-backend --libs --cflags` | 12:16 |
| timeless | in linux, you really don't want to manually build compiler flags | 12:17 |
| melmoth | works way better thanks ! | 12:17 |
| timeless | you'll cry way too often | 12:17 |
| timeless | and when pkgconfig doesn't work on linux, you can complain to the .pc author :) | 12:17 |
| timeless | distributed blame :) | 12:17 |
| pupnik | n900 performance as experienced by user is 1/(a+n), where n = number of media files on-device and a is some constznt | 12:18 |
| pupnik | 384msongs, 101 clips, and i have to set down n900 and walk away on bootup | 12:19 |
| arachnist | wait | 12:19 |
| pupnik | a few minutes later it recovers from the tracker trauma | 12:19 |
| pupnik | yep | 12:19 |
| arachnist | you actually shutdown/reboot your n900? | 12:19 |
| florian | Did I miss something or does the contacts application not have a field for adress data? | 12:20 |
| pupnik | you can add fields | 12:20 |
| mece | 384 million songs? | 12:20 |
| pupnik | 384 songs | 12:20 |
| mece | oh. I have 1500 songs and It's as fast as it was when it was empty. | 12:20 |
| range | pupnik: Really? | 12:21 |
| florian | pupnik: yes right... this seems to be a bug in the sync app - It pulled all contacts but without the address. | 12:21 |
| pupnik | i can make a video | 12:21 |
| pupnik | ahhh | 12:21 |
| range | Let me look, I have around 3000 songs on there. | 12:22 |
| timeless | florian: which sync app? | 12:22 |
| timeless | (we have 3 i believe) | 12:22 |
| takku | someone should do a scipt or something about that when u have keylock on and you push the on/off switch to see clock. In that same view would be nice to see also is there any messages or e-mails also... | 12:22 |
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| timeless | takku: i think according to andre you need to complain in brainstorm | 12:23 |
| andre__ | yes. | 12:23 |
| hrw | andre__: bug 6851 is better? | 12:23 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6851 No way to comment ideas/solutions in brainstorm | 12:23 |
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| takku | timeless: true | 12:23 |
| timeless | of note, seeing messages/mail is something that came to s60 as "active standby" and it was a very late arrival | 12:24 |
| andre__ | hrw: it's even highly welcome. :-) thanks a lot for filing it | 12:24 |
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| range | pupnik: Normal boot time here. | 12:24 |
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| mece | range, is yout device snappy with 3000 songs? | 12:24 |
| odin_ | Ive looked over "brainstorm" and it doesn't make me want to "contribute" to that process | 12:24 |
| florian | timeless: I used the contacts app function to fetch contacts from a S60 phone. | 12:24 |
| range | mece: Yes. | 12:24 |
| mece | range, pupnik, perhaps it's the videos that cause the problems | 12:24 |
| timeless | florian: ok, so, that's one of the sync methods | 12:25 |
| odin_ | "brainstorm" is just like a forum "poll" nothing more, 100% anacdotal | 12:25 |
| timeless | it's of the 3 the one i've never used successfully :) | 12:25 |
| hrw | florian: for me it fetched from E66 | 12:25 |
| range | I only have the "9" trailer on there, as the device doesn't like my .mkvs ... | 12:25 |
| mece | On my friends device an video had trouble making a thumbnail and that caused a lot of lag apparently | 12:25 |
| hrw | range: 'apt-get install decoders-support' | 12:25 |
| pupnik | maps is redownloading data for the 10 km around my home | 12:25 |
| range | hrw: Still doesn't like *my* .mkvs :) | 12:25 |
| mece | range, all the mkv's I have are a bit too heavy for the device too. | 12:25 |
| range | Probably the AC3 passthrough. | 12:26 |
| range | On the other hand I don't see me watching movies on there. | 12:27 |
| sivang | hiu all | 12:27 |
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| Hukka | range: I wouldn't either, but I have a train/plane trip coming in one week | 12:27 |
| sivang | anybody experience very slow net access from the scratch box and hence poor browsinf experience on the maemo emlator ? | 12:27 |
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| sivang | it is slow to death | 12:27 |
| Hukka | Will probably take one or two movies with me, just in case I'm too tired to read but not enough to sleep | 12:27 |
| sivang | and has issues finding the address ont he offered web liks in the browser | 12:27 |
| range | Hukka: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0 - also stands for the n900 :) | 12:28 |
| * timeless sighs | 12:28 | |
| hrw | andre__: bug 6852 is next one | 12:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6852 No way to get notifications about changes in brainstorm | 12:28 |
| Hukka | range: It seems that I've lost voice in my FF flash, again | 12:28 |
| andre__ | hrw, thanks. no need to tell me here though, I see them anyway when looking at the new bugs. | 12:28 |
| timeless | hrw: i'm surprised andre isn't making you file these in brainstorm :) | 12:29 |
| timeless | they're missing features | 12:29 |
| timeless | which surely means they aren't bugs ;-) | 12:29 |
| andre__ | timeless, I consider them usability bugs. | 12:29 |
| andre__ | brainstorm is not in the state it should be. full stop. | 12:29 |
| hrw | timeless: he knows already what I think about brainstorm and that I ignore that part of maemo.org | 12:29 |
| pupnik | tablets are great for folks with back problems | 12:29 |
| timeless | you don't consider the inability to use sms from the tablet a usability bug? | 12:29 |
| andre__ | timeless, eh? | 12:30 |
| timeless | andre: i've traveled to a number of european countries recently | 12:30 |
| timeless | in each country, i meet a rabbi who has a phone (nokia) which has a contact list | 12:30 |
| pupnik | did sms not work? | 12:30 |
| timeless | which he uses to send people invites to the next learning/fun session | 12:30 |
| johnx | is this a math problem? | 12:30 |
| timeless | pupnik: try sending a message to 100 people | 12:30 |
| odin_ | what about the bug that some "password" dialogs attempt to use auto-complete (but the suggestion is "*****" out, ha ha) I've not nailed it down to an app, widget-set or toolkit problem yet | 12:30 |
| timeless | (or 50) | 12:30 |
| timeless | and then try sending them another message a week later | 12:31 |
| * hrw wants modest 46.11 | 12:31 | |
| timeless | and the next week | 12:31 |
| timeless | and the week after that | 12:31 |
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| timeless | odin: i've never seen that | 12:31 |
| timeless | but it sounds awesome | 12:31 |
| pupnik | good enhancement idea | 12:31 |
| florian | hrw: Including adresses? Here it fetched the contacts but not all data from the address fiels got lost. | 12:31 |
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| sivang | what a baffling | 12:31 |
| sivang | nothing works :( | 12:31 |
| timeless | florian: file a bug | 12:32 |
| hrw | florian: including | 12:32 |
| timeless | include the specific make and model and version of the other phone | 12:32 |
| timeless | then have your other phone send a single example contact card via bluetooth to your n900 | 12:32 |
| timeless | have it save the contact and import it | 12:32 |
| timeless | verify that the data is present | 12:32 |
| timeless | attach that .vcf to the bug as an example | 12:32 |
| timeless | and export the original migrated copy to show what got "synced" | 12:33 |
| sivang | is maemo.org very slow ? | 12:33 |
| odin_ | sivang, normal speed for me today... its not fast, does take a second or so to thing about responding to every request (but this is normal for this site) | 12:34 |
| florian | timeless: of course - just searching bugzilla if there is one about this already. | 12:34 |
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| sivang | odin_: Ah I see | 12:35 |
| sivang | odin_: good to know, I was sure there is problem with the SDK | 12:35 |
| sivang | odin_: but other sites woek quite well | 12:35 |
| sivang | trying to install a temrinal app | 12:35 |
| sivang | is ther a gnome-terminal for mameo ? | 12:36 |
| sivang | or a kterm ? | 12:36 |
| pupnik | ... | 12:36 |
| pupnik | why | 12:36 |
| pupnik | you have one | 12:36 |
| sivang | i like there key bindings | 12:37 |
| sivang | pupnik: how do I access it ? | 12:37 |
| pupnik | second screen of app icons | 12:37 |
| pupnik | "terminal" | 12:37 |
| sivang | ah bah | 12:37 |
| sejo | hmm how long does it take to get the confirmation mail for subscribing on garage.maemo.org? | 12:37 |
| sivang | pkgs update and installation also doesn't work | 12:37 |
| timeless | viang: nothing will save you from not looking | 12:37 |
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| timeless | s/vi/siv/ | 12:37 |
| infobot | timeless meant: sivang: nothing will save you from not looking | 12:37 |
| sivang | timeless: I looked :) | 12:38 |
| timeless | how did you miss it? | 12:38 |
| sivang | so I click "more" | 12:38 |
| sivang | right ? | 12:38 |
| timeless | yep | 12:38 |
| timeless | that's where apps live... | 12:38 |
| timeless | the front page is advertising | 12:38 |
| sivang | then I have File Manager, RSS, App Mnaager | 12:38 |
| sivang | that's all! | 12:38 |
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| timeless | oh, you're using SDK? | 12:38 |
| sivang | I would have seen it if it were there. | 12:38 |
| sivang | yes | 12:39 |
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| sivang | why isn't it included inthe SDK / | 12:39 |
| sivang | ? | 12:39 |
| * timeless wonders which repo has xterm | 12:39 | |
| sivang | I want to install ROXTerm | 12:39 |
| odin_ | oh yes some of my widgets (or whatever) crashed on the home screen, yesterday. i have not rebooted N900 to get them back | 12:39 |
| timeless | well, the sdk lets you use your favorite shell/tty | 12:39 |
| johnx | sivang, because if you're using the SDK you're on a machine that has a terminal? | 12:39 |
| timeless | so for most people it's bloat | 12:39 |
| odin_ | things like facebook, messages, wlan0 IP, GPRS Tx/RX counters all gone | 12:39 |
| sivang | johnx: yes, but I want to create a demo showing the terminal in action on the SDK | 12:40 |
| sivang | johnx: I have a specific reason | 12:40 |
| johnx | ok. then the SDK doesn't meet your needs, because it's an SDK, not a demo. | 12:40 |
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| odin_ | the other icons restarted, like the bookmarks and the default calander screen and Maemo Select, Ovi Store icons | 12:40 |
| Jagoo | out of curiosity, is the actual phone radio API directly accessible by maemo applications? | 12:40 |
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| timeless | sivang: i'd use Mer | 12:41 |
| * sivang is trying to install ssh client on the SDK, but r.m.o does not respond | 12:41 | |
| odin_ | anyone know the program that makes them appear? and if it can't be setup to auto-restart on crash ? | 12:41 |
| sivang | timeless: what's Mer ? | 12:41 |
| timeless | ~Mer | 12:41 |
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| infobot | [mer] http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 12:41 |
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| odin_ | Jagoo, I belive so, there are is documentation, try http://maemo.org/development/ looke for "Reference" | 12:41 |
| sivang | timeless: I see | 12:42 |
| timeless | jagoo: the fm radio app in the repo is a python app | 12:42 |
| plr_ | whoa, an update to the sdk already? nice | 12:43 |
| Jagoo | I am not talking fm radio | 12:43 |
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| Jagoo | I am talking radio as in umts/gsm | 12:43 |
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| Jagoo | like, could you write your own "phone" application? | 12:43 |
| timeless | what do you want to do | 12:43 |
| timeless | attack the cellular network? | 12:43 |
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| timeless | the phone ui is based on telepathy | 12:43 |
| timeless | (and dbus) | 12:44 |
| sivang | I am trying to make a demo and a talk about how easy it to use python for testing stuff on the device, can't I use to SDK for that? | 12:44 |
| sivang | especially testing widgets. | 12:44 |
| timeless | telepathy documentation is mostly hosted somewhere else, but it's public | 12:44 |
| Jagoo | I wouldnt want to attack the cellular network, I work for a big operator :) | 12:44 |
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| sivang | that's why I want to use an term that is instalalble on the device, and show the interactive prompt on it | 12:44 |
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| odin_ | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/telepathy-glib/ ?? | 12:44 |
| anidel | anyone having issues in entering text in Canola ? | 12:44 |
| timeless | odin: wow, documentation | 12:45 |
| * sivang doesn't understand why is it so hard to get a term app from the SDK from the UI desktop itself | 12:45 | |
| timeless | how distressing and shocking | 12:45 |
| timeless | sivang: find the right repo, and it shoudl be simple | 12:45 |
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| timeless | have you enabled extras-devel ? | 12:45 |
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| sivang | timeless: I can't even download for the official ones :) | 12:45 |
| johnx | your resolv.conf is probably not pointing to real nameservers | 12:46 |
| Myrtti | I install everything from the scratchbox prompt | 12:46 |
| sivang | johnx: ah, so to my host's ones ? | 12:46 |
| * sivang checks | 12:46 | |
| timeless | sivang: your scratchbox has a bad /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf or something | 12:46 |
| timeless | you need resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf to not suck | 12:46 |
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| sivang | timeless: thaks dude, I thght this was the problem but then israeli sites worked quite well and fast so I figured resolve.conf is okay | 12:46 |
| anidel | no one ;) | 12:47 |
| sivang | holy crap | 12:47 |
| sivang | it has the previous ISP DNS's! | 12:48 |
| sivang | I'll be damned | 12:48 |
| * sivang fixes | 12:48 | |
| * sivang hates network manager | 12:48 | |
| pupnik | :) | 12:48 |
| sivang | network manager is such a ... | 12:48 |
| johnx | ...wonderful thing when it's working? | 12:48 |
| sivang | I guess :) | 12:49 |
| sivang | are we using it on the maemo desktop for netowrk awareness and setup ? | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | no, they have ICD2 | 12:49 |
| sivang | thank goodness | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | which is old but for some reason is better than networkmanager.. | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:49 |
| johnx | (for a very limited subset of what nm is supposed to do) | 12:49 |
| timeless | johnx: a wonder that it ever works at all? | 12:49 |
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| timeless | well, icd2 fails at handling multiple networks | 12:50 |
| sivang | timeless: eheh | 12:50 |
| sivang | guys, sorry for almost becoming a trol | 12:50 |
| timeless | (not that nm manages that particularly well) | 12:50 |
| sivang | trool | 12:50 |
| johnx | nm is surprisingly workable here. it even does auto-magic NAT sharing ok | 12:50 |
| sivang | I got on the wrong side today | 12:50 |
| sivang | johnx: it does that quite well, yes | 12:50 |
| sivang | johnx: but screws NS all the tiem when itnernet chantes and roamin is enabled | 12:51 |
| johnx | sivang, trying to make the SDK do something useful is enough to make anyone feel trollish. sorry I was short with you about it | 12:51 |
| timeless | nm ui actually makes me appreciate maemo ui design | 12:51 |
| johnx | but it really isn't "demo" material | 12:51 |
| sivang | johnx: that;s okay ::-) | 12:51 |
| timeless | which is something i really do not like to admit to ever doing | 12:51 |
| sivang | johnx: I know, until I get my machine I have to use it | 12:51 |
| timeless | alright, group hug! | 12:51 |
| * sivang hugs! | 12:51 | |
| johnx | timeless, as in the latest n-m? or older ones? | 12:51 |
| sivang | "This is what we have, and with this we shall win!" | 12:52 |
| timeless | johnx: the last one i used was mer 0.15/0.16 | 12:52 |
| sivang | is it okay to use Mer's stuff inside the SDK ? | 12:52 |
| timeless | or maybe there was one in the maemosdk vmware image | 12:52 |
| sivang | (or teh device, for that matter) | 12:52 |
| johnx | the one in the newest ubuntu is marginally nicer (which is to say it imitates the mac os x wifi-menubar-plugin a bit better) | 12:53 |
| Jagoo | telepathy/dbus both seem to be related to the UI, not actual phone radio functions, I dont see anything related to "establishing a phone call" or "sending an sms" in the docs | 12:53 |
| timeless | there's always a risk in pulling in anything from anywhere :) | 12:53 |
| sivang | I see, if in doubt, compile ? :) | 12:53 |
| sivang | s/compile/debuild/ | 12:53 |
| infobot | sivang meant: I see, if in doubt, debuild ? :) | 12:53 |
| timeless | jagoo: my guess is you need to make a channel | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | if in doubt, help out with mer ;p | 12:54 |
| sivang | hehe | 12:54 |
| sivang | will do | 12:54 |
| timeless | jagoo: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ | 12:55 |
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| sivang | is it okay to install aan os2008 deb on the sdk ? | 12:56 |
| sivang | let's leave aside the question if ti will work or not | 12:56 |
| sivang | (due to ABI crapness) | 12:56 |
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| timeless | not a great idea, but it might not ruin your sdk | 12:57 |
| Jagoo | timeless: thanks :) | 12:57 |
| timeless | specifically: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Recipes | 12:58 |
| timeless | you want :"make an audio call" | 12:58 |
| sivang | timeless: k, thanks dude | 12:58 |
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| timeless | jagoo: btw, i'm looking forward to a competing (open source) phone ui | 12:58 |
| * sivang is running for the train, talk to you all alter. | 12:59 | |
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| timeless | sivang: hag sameach? | 12:59 |
| Jagoo | timeless: I wouldnt hold my breath, unless you want to have a CLI interface :) | 12:59 |
| timeless | jagoo: i build ui's in zenity | 13:00 |
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| timeless | if you give me a cli that's usable, i'll probably take it | 13:00 |
| sivang | timeless: how do you kno ?! | 13:00 |
| timeless | well, shabbat starts a bit sooner here | 13:00 |
| timeless | and we have to light hanukah candles first | 13:01 |
| timeless | so i have ~30mins to prepare | 13:01 |
| sivang | timeless: true, you also celebrate shabat ? | 13:01 |
| timeless | yes. | 13:01 |
| sivang | timeless: oh cool :) | 13:01 |
| timeless | that's why i disappear on fridays | 13:01 |
| timeless | not that you'd be in a position to notice. | 13:01 |
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| sivang | I guess not :) | 13:02 |
| timeless | still haven't figured out what your name means | 13:02 |
| timeless | sivan g ? | 13:02 |
| sivang | Sivan Greenberg | 13:02 |
| timeless | gotcha | 13:02 |
| * timeless hates translit | 13:02 | |
| timeless | such a royal pain for my tiny little mind | 13:02 |
| hrw | btw - is there a way to play audio/video on n900 from remote samba share without manually mounting it? | 13:02 |
| sivang | Sivan = the month of april in the hebrew calander, Greenberg, formly Grinberg fromly Grunberg int he original | 13:03 |
| zeenix | hrw: yes | 13:03 |
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| timeless | yeah, once i tried i realized the parsing should have been sivan | 13:03 |
| zeenix | hrw: it's call Rygel: http://live.gnome.org/Rygel | 13:03 |
| timeless | and it made a lot more sence | 13:03 |
| zeenix | s/call/called/ | 13:03 |
| infobot | zeenix meant: hrw: it's called Rygel: http://live.gnome.org/Rygel | 13:04 |
| zeenix | hrw: oh you said samba, no! i don't know of any :) | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | export them over upnp? | 13:04 |
| pupnik | how many windows do you usually have open? i am usually around 6-10 | 13:05 |
| hrw | zeenix: upnp handle also videos? I know that audio works because tried one day | 13:05 |
| Micha_ | hrw: yes, my n900 automagically picked up my upnp server (audio&video) at home and can stream all assets. | 13:06 |
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| hrw | thx | 13:07 |
| hrw | now need to select good upnp server and isntall on sheeva | 13:07 |
| hrw | zeenix, Micha_: which one do you suggest? | 13:07 |
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| Mece | I have a feeling that my N900 uses battery power while plugged in after it's fully charged. Can anyone confirm this? | 13:07 |
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| pupnik | id like to try upnp too | 13:08 |
| Micha_ | hrw: I use Mediatomb. Works a treat, also for my PS3. | 13:08 |
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| hrw | will try ushare - it is already packaged | 13:10 |
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| X-Fade | Mece: Sure, it is. But it will start charging again when a certain level is reached? | 13:10 |
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| hrw | awesome! | 13:12 |
| zeenix | hrw: packaged for? | 13:12 |
| hrw | zeenix: angstrom | 13:12 |
| zeenix | hrw: afaik, it's abondoned project | 13:12 |
| hrw | yes - "By lack of spare time, motivation and interest, uShare development is currently discontinued (this may change though). Don't expect release anytime soon :-(" | 13:13 |
| zeenix | hrw: try rygel, i am the developer and Nokia pays me to write/maintain it so it's an active project :) | 13:13 |
| hrw | zeenix: ok | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | zeenix: Any eta for arrival in Extras? :)000 | 13:13 |
| hrw | zeenix: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgee2, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libgssdp-1.0-2 (>= 0.7.0), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.23), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libgupnp-1.0-3 (>= 0.13.1), libgupnp-av-1.0-2 (>= 0.5.2), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libsoup2.4-1 (>= 2.27.92), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.6.20), libuuid1 ( | 13:14 |
| hrw | zeenix: sheevaplug is headless... | 13:14 |
| zeenix | X-Fade: as soon as libsoup is upgraded | 13:14 |
| hrw | zeenix: and those are deps of rygel in Debian | 13:14 |
| zeenix | hrw: why should that be a problem? | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | zeenix: What is the minimum version you need? | 13:14 |
| zeenix | hrw: there is no UI involved and i know at least one person who is running rygel on a headless machine | 13:15 |
| hrw | zeenix: I prefer to keep system as minimal as possible - 512MB storage for everything (except media files) | 13:15 |
| zeenix | X-Fade: 2.26 iirc | 13:15 |
| zaheerm | zeenix, lisoub 2.26 is in extras-devel | 13:15 |
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| zaheerm | parallel installable with older libsoup, it is used by webkit there | 13:16 |
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| X-Fade | zeenix: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsoup2.26-1 | 13:17 |
| zeenix | cool | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | zeenix: The only thing you need to do is make sure you use that library name instead. | 13:17 |
| zeenix | i guess i'll kick fatal then | 13:17 |
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| julianoliver | hi. after an act of foolishness /bin/sh points to /bin/bash and i can no longer open the Terminal application. what's the easiest remedy? | 13:18 |
| X-Fade | zeenix: Let him ping me if there are any issues. | 13:18 |
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| woglinde | jo | 13:18 |
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| zeenix | X-Fade: will do, thanks | 13:18 |
| woglinde | hm n900 arrvied here at work | 13:18 |
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| woglinde | unfornatly my co-worker has it now | 13:18 |
| woglinde | *g* | 13:18 |
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| julianoliver | is there a way to reach an X terminal without using the Terminal shortcut? | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-shift- | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | x | 13:21 |
| julianoliver | Stskeeps: thanks. it seems that X terminal also relies on /bin/sh pointing to busybox | 13:22 |
| julianoliver | Stskeeps: unfortunately, /bin/sh -> /bin/bash and so i can't start a terminal application. | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | julianoliver: /bin/sh being bash works fine on Mer. | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | er,, or dash | 13:23 |
| julianoliver | Stskeeps: yes i am running stock Maemo 5 here. | 13:23 |
| Jagoo | a port of "blacklist" (for both calls and sms) and "total recall" (record phone calls as audio file, without the "beep") for Maemo would be very very nice :) | 13:23 |
| nomis | tigert: did you create a "no-fuzz" theme for the N900? | 13:23 |
| julianoliver | Stskeeps: what is the best solution here? how do i reach a shell? | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | julianoliver: ssh? | 13:24 |
| tigert | nomis: ? | 13:24 |
| julianoliver | Stskeeps: this seems to silently fail now also.. | 13:24 |
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| nomis | tigert: I liked your blue theme for the older devices (forgot how it was named). | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | julianoliver: time for a backup+reflash | 13:26 |
| julianoliver | Stskeeps: is there no way to boot the N900 into a root shell? | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | julianoliver: nop, but i have said for a year it would be a good idea :P | 13:27 |
| julianoliver | (without splash etc?) | 13:28 |
| julianoliver | hehe | 13:28 |
| julianoliver | Stskeeps: is there perhaps another terminal application i could install? | 13:28 |
| julianoliver | or even reinstall it perhaps.. | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | julianoliver: maybe diablo's roxterm, but dunno if it works | 13:29 |
| * julianoliver tries this | 13:29 | |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | is it a bad idea to try to fly on christmas day? | 13:32 |
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| Stskeeps | depends on if the pilots are drunk or bitter | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | i'd be more worried about 1. january | 13:33 |
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| julianoliver | hehe | 13:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, how about i fly wed dec 23 and return mon jan 4 | 13:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | and i'll deal w/ the mess of getting around later | 13:33 |
| arachnist | http://vjarmy.com/archives/2009/12/best_error_message_of_2009.php | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | 300 GBP for the flight | 13:34 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | timeless_mbp: just don't try and fly with wax wings | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | right, flying christmas eve is a bad idea | 13:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, cheaptickets will deliver my tickets by post | 13:41 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: No eticket? | 13:41 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 13:41 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: How old fashioned ;) | 13:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i want to fly HEL to Manchester | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | Btw, I managed to check in by putting my N900 under a barcode reader in Australia. | 13:42 |
| timeless_mbp | why | 13:42 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 13:42 |
| timeless_mbp | gah | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | Laser barcode scanned worked fine ;) | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | *scanner | 13:42 |
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| X-Fade | Pretty cool when you can just use you e-ticked PDF on your phone display ;) | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0-KQ6wPJ04 | 13:44 |
| julianoliver | ugh, so it looks like /bin/sh -> /bin/bash totally bricks the N900. | 13:44 |
| julianoliver | that was foolish. | 13:44 |
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| julianoliver | is there no way to reach a terminal hosting /bin/bash without using the Terminal shortcut? | 13:44 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Getting sea sick ;) | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah.. not my video | 13:45 |
| arachnist | julianoliver: ssh | 13:46 |
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| julianoliver | arachnist: it silently fails as ssh looks for /bin/sh | 13:47 |
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| julianoliver | arachnist: i'd love to find some way to pull up a root busybox or bash shell. | 13:48 |
| julianoliver | would save me having to reflash.. | 13:49 |
| range | X-Fade: That's one of the reasons why I'd like MMS on the N900, as the german railway company sells tickets that way: You get a QR-Code via MMS which then gets scanned on the train. They don't send those per mail, though. | 13:49 |
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| X-Fade | range: Well, if your phone doesn't support MMS, you will get an URL I guess ;) | 13:50 |
| arachnist | julianoliver: you could try creating a .desktop file launching "osso-xterm -e /bin/bash" | 13:50 |
| X-Fade | range: So you can view the link online? | 13:50 |
| arachnist | julianoliver: or better: ask someone to create a package that'd do that | 13:50 |
| range | Hmmm. Actually I think you can get them to send a test MMS. let me see what happens to that on the N900 (didn't think of that). | 13:51 |
| julianoliver | arachnist: right. perhaps i could create this file with the text editor.. | 13:51 |
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| X-Fade | range: t-mobile does that for me at least. | 13:51 |
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| redeeman | i get those links in DK aswell | 13:52 |
| julianoliver | arachnist: installing the package without /bin/sh won't be possible i think.. | 13:52 |
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| julianoliver | arachnist: and the note-taking application doesn't seem to like saving notes anywhere other than the desktop. | 13:53 |
| julianoliver | i mean.. it /doesn't/ save to the desktop. so that's no good. | 13:53 |
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| arachnist | julianoliver: isn't MyDocs accessible when you connect the device over usb to a pc? | 13:54 |
| arachnist | julianoliver: i think you should be able to launch .desktop files using the file manager | 13:55 |
| julianoliver | hmm.. there's a good thought. | 13:55 |
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| tigert | julianoliver: ctrl-shift-x | 13:59 |
| tigert | works? | 13:59 |
| florian | Is there a way to share the Internet connection of the N900? | 13:59 |
| tigert | hi florian :) | 14:00 |
| florian | hi tigert | 14:00 |
| Veggen | florian: there's always a way. | 14:00 |
| tigert | florian: at least via usb cable it connects my mac to teh tubes of the interweb | 14:00 |
| Veggen | not necessarily an official, toolkit-supported, way, though. | 14:01 |
| florian | ok, I should have asked a more prcise question :) | 14:01 |
| X-Fade | florian: bluetooth-dun in extras-devel | 14:01 |
| florian | Veggen: this should have been the question :) | 14:01 |
| Veggen | but of course it supports echo "1">/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding | 14:01 |
| Veggen | or wherever it is. | 14:01 |
| florian | right | 14:01 |
| florian | X-Fade: sounds like a start | 14:02 |
| Markus23 | I have the n900, it is so great :-) | 14:02 |
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| X-Fade | florian: http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=74 | 14:03 |
| Jaffa | Yay, getting patches for Hermes. | 14:04 |
| X-Fade | OSS at it's best :) | 14:04 |
| julianoliver | arachnist: i turned the N900 off and rebooted and of course it fails. it's bricked :( | 14:05 |
| julianoliver | arachnist: it wasn't mounting and so rebooting seemed the next logical step. | 14:05 |
| florian | uh... garage is slow today | 14:05 |
| arachnist | julianoliver: :/ | 14:05 |
| lardman | florian: today?! ;) | 14:05 |
| andre__ | julianoliver, bricked means that it's unrevertible. which is highly unlikely. | 14:05 |
| andre__ | tried reflashing? | 14:06 |
| hrw | zeenix: rygel require vala to be installed during build? | 14:06 |
| lardman | andre__: we need a new name for temporarily unworkable machines, rather than bricked | 14:06 |
| julianoliver | andre__: i'm about to try, yes. a lot of important data on there! i did a backup before rebooting, but it seemed not to save images/video/source code directories. | 14:06 |
| andre__ | lardman, yes. | 14:06 |
| lardman | perhaps paperweighted | 14:06 |
| lardman | not quite the same ring though | 14:06 |
| julianoliver | lardman: indeed | 14:07 |
| andre__ | "borked"? | 14:07 |
| julianoliver | anyway, if /bin/sh -> /bin/bash the N900 is broke. | 14:07 |
| lardman | sounds fine to me | 14:07 |
| nomis | brocked. | 14:07 |
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| florian | lardman: make it an "extra slow today" :-) | 14:07 |
| lardman | florian: ah ok | 14:08 |
| nomis | (with a slight reference to the german word "brocken": lump, boulder, crumbs | 14:08 |
| zeenix | hrw: no | 14:08 |
| hrw | zeenix: ok | 14:08 |
| lardman | nomis: sounds good too | 14:08 |
| zeenix | hrw: if you use release tarballs | 14:09 |
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| hrw | zeenix: I am attempting to build 0.4.6 | 14:09 |
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| lardman | mmmm | 14:09 |
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| hrw | zeenix: m4_esyscmd comes from gnome m4 macros? | 14:11 |
| Dialekt | hi | 14:11 |
| hrw | ignore | 14:11 |
| zeenix | hrw: great! more help on this topic on #gupnp (irc.gimp.org) | 14:11 |
| hrw | 5th network... | 14:12 |
| hrw | zeenix: m4_esyscmd([GNOME_TAG_PATTERN=RYGEL build-aux/git-version-gen .tarball-version]) - but there is no build-aux/git-version-gen in 0.4.6 tarball | 14:13 |
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| yabo | Hi | 14:14 |
| zeenix | hrw: weird, let me check.. | 14:14 |
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| Stskeeps | oh good, fanoush has a n900 now | 14:18 |
| woglinde | re | 14:18 |
| woglinde | troll? | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? :P | 14:18 |
| mece | Stskeeps, yay! I've been waiting for him to hack it to bits :) | 14:18 |
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| Dialekt | ? | 14:19 |
| yabo | Has nokia communicated on when they woul add ovi support for the n900 ? I didn't find any clear statement from them but only expectations in various forums. :-/ | 14:19 |
| Dialekt | i'm dying for change.. | 14:19 |
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| * Dialekt looks through devices..n900, n97, DROID, Hero | 14:19 | |
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| VDVsx_ | yabo, dunno, but they just blocked the access to the store | 14:21 |
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| yabo | VDVsx, hmm, what could it mean ? | 14:22 |
| red | hey, i just got a sms contact card on n900 | 14:22 |
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| red | its a link | 14:22 |
| yabo | The reason why I bought a n900 was to be able to always have my agenda on me and to sync it | 14:23 |
| VDVsx_ | yabo, the opened the store yesterday for test, it seems | 14:23 |
| red | i click it and it asks to do a new contact or merge | 14:23 |
| yabo | oh ok | 14:23 |
| yabo | Thanks | 14:23 |
| red | but there is no info | 14:23 |
| red | so is it bugged or wtf | 14:23 |
| VDVsx_ | yabo, http://thenokiablog.com/2009/12/10/ovi-store-nokia-n900-not-open/ | 14:23 |
| VDVsx_ | I downloaded a bunch of games :P | 14:24 |
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| yabo | :-) | 14:24 |
| red | guess ill ask for the number as an sms msg instead | 14:24 |
| red | ill be back to rant :p | 14:25 |
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| woglinde | Stskeeps args I read god isntead of good | 14:25 |
| lardman | red: hang on | 14:25 |
| lardman | red: why don't you save the vCard and look at it? | 14:25 |
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| furunk3l | greetings | 14:26 |
| VDVsx_ | yabo, here is the list of 'app's there, just from one publisher: http://pastebin.ca/1710217 (retrieved yesterday) | 14:26 |
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| yabo | VDVsx, in fact I already installed some of those | 14:27 |
| rmrfchik | how can I setup desktop box (linux) to auto assign network on usb0 when n810 connects? | 14:27 |
| yabo | offscr-speedometer | 14:27 |
| yabo | for example | 14:27 |
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| yabo | But I had to do the apt-get install by hand | 14:27 |
| VDVsx | yabo, yes, same here | 14:27 |
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| furunk3l | oh | 14:28 |
| furunk3l | i know the offscr stuff from symbian | 14:28 |
| red | lardman: there is no info in the contact card | 14:28 |
| red | even via hold - save | 14:29 |
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| furunk3l | are the packages also in the extras-devel repos? | 14:29 |
| red | oh fuck this | 14:29 |
| tekonivel | wtf the Maemo email client doesn't wrap long lines | 14:29 |
| red | i opened dial pad while on the phone | 14:29 |
| yabo | I don't have the extras-devel repos, only extras and extras-testing | 14:29 |
| tekonivel | this has to be a joke | 14:30 |
| VDVsx | furunk3l, no, Ovi repository | 14:30 |
| red | typed the number there but no option to save | 14:30 |
| furunk3l | oh? | 14:30 |
| VDVsx | furunk3l, but was taken down today | 14:30 |
| red | and it disappeared when call ended | 14:30 |
| furunk3l | meh | 14:30 |
| red | pos.. | 14:30 |
| furunk3l | i assume the ovi store will be up soon then | 14:30 |
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| yabo | and all the ovi services with it | 14:31 |
| VDVsx | yabo, careful with extras-devel :) | 14:31 |
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| yabo | VDVsx, I said I didn't use extras-devel, only extras-testing | 14:31 |
| VDVsx | yabo, :) | 14:31 |
| yabo | Though I'd like to install Qt 4.6 to try to play a bit | 14:32 |
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| Markus23 | yabo: is Qt 4.6 already in repository? | 14:33 |
| tekonivel | it's possibly the mime content type "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed" that the maemo email client fails to handle properly. | 14:33 |
| tekonivel | nice | 14:33 |
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| VDVsx | Markus23, yes, in -devel | 14:34 |
| yabo | Markus23, http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4Hildon#Installing_Qt_packages_in_Scratchbox | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd o/ | 14:35 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, heya) | 14:36 |
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| * kalikiana wonders if SpeedCrunch could be ported on Maemo | 14:38 | |
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| tigert | hmm | 14:46 |
| tigert | does anyone know about python home applet? | 14:46 |
| tigert | or | 14:46 |
| tigert | I wish to have an applet which gets METAR string from teh internet | 14:46 |
| tigert | and displays it in the desktop | 14:46 |
| Corsac | n900 release in France looks like a big fail | 14:46 |
| tigert | like the homeip applet does | 14:46 |
| Corsac | maybe they don't have enough azerty ones produces | 14:47 |
| Corsac | produced* | 14:47 |
| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, you don't need to be sorry for anything) | 14:47 |
| yabo | Corsac, I've an azerty N900 bought two days ago in France :) | 14:47 |
| Corsac | yabo: at tph? | 14:47 |
| red | french are a big fail | 14:47 |
| yabo | yep | 14:47 |
| Corsac | red: you're a big fail | 14:47 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_n800, seems that the council has no power on that, or some people don't like you :P | 14:47 |
| Corsac | yabo: out of interest, which contract did you get? | 14:48 |
| red | you guys just want to do everything differently and whine about it :p | 14:48 |
| * red spent 2 years there | 14:48 | |
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| ale-x | hi hackers! | 14:48 |
| yabo | Corsac, I have little use of 3G as I live in Paris so almost always have a Wifi connection. So I went for the cheapest one providing the best price for the N900 : Bouygues Telecom Evasio | 14:48 |
| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, maybe) | 14:48 |
| Corsac | k | 14:48 |
| kalikiana | red, never go to Asia, they don't even write in Latin letters :-P | 14:48 |
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| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, but at least I can thank all those generous people) | 14:49 |
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| ale-x | I've been trying to get SDK+ working here for days now | 14:49 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_n800, well the Council at least was generous :) | 14:49 |
| Corsac | yabo: here it seems like a lot of TPH don't have it and can't order it (and as they have exclusivity, other stores only mark it as “available soon”) | 14:49 |
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| ale-x | anyone knows how to get rid of "'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded" | 14:50 |
| yabo | Corsac, oh, lucky me then :) | 14:50 |
| Corsac | yabo: and you can't even go to a store, buy it and leave the store with it, you have to wait like 2 days before they receive it. do you confirm? | 14:50 |
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| yabo | Corsac, yes I confirm. I bought it monday and got it on wednesday | 14:51 |
| yabo | Because they keep them all in a central depot and have to ship them to the store | 14:51 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: Did you get it after downloading the nokia-binaries? | 14:51 |
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| Corsac | yabo: ok | 14:52 |
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| Corsac | (that kind-of sucks :) | 14:52 |
| Corsac | yabo: out of interest (i'm in paris too), which store did you buy it from? | 14:52 |
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| yabo | Clearly. | 14:52 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, no, no more bear please) | 14:53 |
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| ale-x | Micha: no, I wanted to enter my i386 sb2 | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: hehe, rough night last night? | 14:53 |
| yabo | Corsac, 15 BOUL. MONTMARTRE, 75002 | 14:53 |
| Corsac | ok | 14:53 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, I'm already feeling like an astronaut ) | 14:53 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: I mean, since when did the message start occuring, immediately after installing sb2, or after you tried to download the nokia-binaries package inside sb2? | 14:53 |
| ale-x | Micha_: I downloaded and setup the armel rootstrap without that problem | 14:54 |
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| ale-x | Micha_: and I never got that error until I tried sb2 -eR | 14:54 |
| ale-x | Micha_: with i386 target | 14:55 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: I only got it after installing additional packages inside sb2, but in my case I can fix it as follows: | 14:55 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: sb2 -eR | 14:55 |
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| Micha_ | ale-x: cd /usr/lib | 14:55 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: rm libfakeroot | 14:56 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: ln -s /usr/lib/libfakeroot . | 14:56 |
| Micha_ | Basically the symlink got trashed because libfakeroot-net gets installed inside sb2 as a dependecy of nokia-binaries. | 14:57 |
| ale-x | aha | 14:57 |
| Micha_ | Are you on a 64-bit or 32-bit host? | 14:57 |
| ale-x | I'll try with a virgin rootstrap and report back | 14:57 |
| ale-x | 64 | 14:57 |
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| Micha_ | Ok, you might have to ln -s /opt/maemo/dists/lenny-2009-1/usr/lib/libfakeroot/ instead then. | 14:58 |
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| ale-x | Micha_: I already thought so *g* | 14:59 |
| Micha_ | So far I have fixed a bunch of problems trying to install the i386 rootstrap, but I've never ended with a fully working one. | 14:59 |
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| ale-x | which is funny, because armel works except that hildon doesn't start | 14:59 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: Here's my notes so far: http://www.micha.name/Programming/Maemo/Maemo5_SDKPlus_InstallationNotes.txt | 15:00 |
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| * Micha_ would be very grateful for a fully working install :) | 15:00 | |
| Micha_ | Yes, the armel target is fine for compiling, but it's known that the emulation is not stable enough to run the system. | 15:01 |
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| ale-x | Micha_: thank you for your great tip. "ln -s /opt/maemo/dists/lenny-2009-1/usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-sysv.so ~/.maemo-sdk/rootstraps/i386/fremantle5.0minimal_i386/usr/lib/libfakeroot/." did the trick | 15:07 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: No worries; took me a few days to work out. | 15:08 |
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| Micha_ | ale-x: Let me know if you get a full hildon interface running under the i386 target | 15:09 |
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| ale-x | Micha_: atm I'm installing nokia-apps and nokia-binaries from archive cache, shouldn't take long | 15:10 |
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| SinofEnvy | maybe stupid question, but is it possible to develop an application for the N900 which just turns on one of the LED flashes for the camera with the click of a button, until you click it again to turn it off? does the sdk allow you to control the hardware like that? or is this impossible | 15:36 |
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| SinofEnvy | (basically for a flashlight app, I saw one but I think it just used the regular screen on full brightness or something? instead of the camera flash which is way brighter) | 15:37 |
| RST38h | odin: well fed. | 15:37 |
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| odin_ | SinofEnvy, does the camera light support continious on mode ? since its a "flash" and its designed to "flash" | 15:38 |
| cehteh | SinofEnvy: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch | 15:38 |
| SinofEnvy | I'm not sure... does it? :p | 15:39 |
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| cehteh | it has 3 modes .. indicator (dim) light, torch mode and flash | 15:39 |
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| cehteh | feel free to implement an app for that | 15:39 |
| SinofEnvy | ah okay, thanks cehteh | 15:39 |
| cehteh | or send me a device then i'll do :P | 15:39 |
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| cehteh | be careful with the flash level you can easily fry your leds | 15:39 |
| SinofEnvy | haha nah that's okay, I know a bit of C and I can probably figure it out.. I just don't have my N900 yet (can arrive any moment now, due today :>) so I wasn't sure | 15:40 |
| cehteh | eww :P | 15:40 |
| SinofEnvy | eww? : | 15:40 |
| v2n900 | ~flashing | 15:40 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:40 |
| SinofEnvy | :O | 15:40 |
| cehteh | i dont have a device yet and i expect it wil still take some weeks | 15:40 |
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| SinofEnvy | yeah I was lucky | 15:41 |
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| SinofEnvy | really lucky. they were all out of stock here, but I found this one site that had it ... I ordered it, checked 2 hours later, and it was out of stock on there as well | 15:41 |
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| odin_ | ~hotcakes ? | 15:41 |
| SinofEnvy | immediately cancelled my other order :p | 15:41 |
| odin_ | mine was shipped from NL | 15:42 |
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| cehteh | i should prolly order at all places which have it for less than 500Eur | 15:42 |
| SinofEnvy | hmm. what site odin_? | 15:42 |
| SinofEnvy | or Nokia Netherlands? | 15:42 |
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| odin_ | nokia.co.uk | 15:42 |
| odin_ | shop.nokia.co.uk | 15:42 |
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| odin_ | arrived 2 wks ago | 15:42 |
| SinofEnvy | lucky then I guess? since iirc the UK had the biggest supply issues in europe, no? | 15:43 |
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| cehteh | well you paied more | 15:43 |
| cehteh | SinofEnvy: i bet germany has :) | 15:43 |
| cehteh | even the nokia shop is sold out | 15:43 |
| odin_ | no idea.. I ordered it only 2 to 3 weeks before, was given the date when they were due to receive them into warehouse, by the Wed the following week it was with courrier on its way to me (i guess the 2 day delay was since I ordered last) | 15:44 |
| odin_ | dispatch warehouse was in NL | 15:45 |
| wazd | k, I'm out to the hospital | 15:45 |
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| Oli`` | If you were smart, you would have pre-ordered it when there were two 15%-off voucher codes available that stacked. My n900 was the best deal I ever had. </smug> | 15:46 |
| odin_ | what 15% off vouchers? maybe some people as just richer than you and don't care? | 15:46 |
| cehteh | i just wait | 15:47 |
| Oli`` | odin_: it was a while back... few weeks before launch | 15:47 |
| cehteh | amazon? | 15:47 |
| Oli`` | No, nokia vouchers for use on the nokia shop | 15:47 |
| SinofEnvy | I'd wait but I'm impatient as hell :( | 15:48 |
| cehteh | no idea where you get those .. but since i ordered for less than 500Eur and it costs over 600 at nokia i dont care about 15% | 15:48 |
| yabo | Oli``, curiosity : how much did you pay it ? | 15:48 |
| SinofEnvy | I'd been watching the N900 since like october so when it was actually coming out I just couldn't wait for a price drop anymore (with all the delays and all) | 15:48 |
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| SinofEnvy | I spent less than 500 as well though | 15:48 |
| Oli`` | yabo: £360-something inc £10 next day delivery | 15:48 |
| Oli`` | sorry, £370.52 | 15:49 |
| SinofEnvy | I efficiently spent €420 | 15:49 |
| cehteh | its not that urgent for me .. getting something well tested (by all you test bunnies bwahaha) from the 2nd or 3rd batch hardware with most of the problems fixed for 100Eur less is ok for me :P | 15:50 |
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| cehteh | SinofEnvy: where? | 15:50 |
| yabo | Oli``, that's 410€ right ? | 15:50 |
| SinofEnvy | yabo, yes | 15:50 |
| cehteh | well .nl not .de :/ | 15:50 |
| SinofEnvy | and cehteh, well, random shop but I cheated a little... I didn't include tax, because at the end of the year I get it back because I wrote it off as business phone :x | 15:51 |
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| yabo | I got it for 199 € here in France with a 37€ / month subscription with "illimited" 3G | 15:51 |
| Oli`` | SinofEnvy: good point... in that case, I "paid" £322.19 | 15:52 |
| yabo | (limited to 500 Mo / month) | 15:52 |
| Jaffa | cehteh: We're already on h/w revision 4 or 5 ;-p | 15:52 |
| Oli`` | yabo: that's not bad | 15:52 |
| Oli`` | although I could easily burn through 500megs in a week =\ | 15:53 |
| cehteh | Jaffa: the better :) | 15:53 |
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| yabo | Oli``, I have little use of 3G, I prefer wifi | 15:54 |
| yabo | so it's more for vacations or travels | 15:54 |
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| julianoliver | when i attach my N900 via USB to my Debian machine and select 'Mass Storage' i consistently get "unable to connect via USB: device in use". | 15:55 |
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| julianoliver | any ideas? | 15:56 |
| julianoliver | it worked before the latest firmware | 15:56 |
| cehteh | soemthing keeps the storage mounted | 15:56 |
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| Oli`` | julianoliver: I've had that once but (unhelpfully for you) I restarted my Ubuntu PC and the phone, tried again and it worked | 15:57 |
| cehteh | do you have some app running accessing data on it? | 15:57 |
| julianoliver | cehteh: no, i don't. | 15:57 |
| julianoliver | i've just reflashed and plugged the device in. | 15:57 |
| cehteh | or last time you didnt unplugged it safely | 15:58 |
| julianoliver | Oli``: i'll try a restart of the phone, first. | 15:58 |
| julianoliver | cehteh: yes, it's possible. | 15:58 |
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| julianoliver | cehteh: reboot the phone and the laptop? | 15:58 |
| cehteh | check if there is a stale mount | 15:58 |
| ccooke | Good Afternoon | 15:58 |
| julianoliver | cehteh: no, there isn't. | 15:58 |
| cehteh | well dunno then | 15:59 |
| julianoliver | i'll reboot the laptop. | 15:59 |
| julianoliver | bbs | 15:59 |
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| cehteh | .. did i say that storage thing will be the first thing to disable :P | 15:59 |
| cehteh | reformat as ext4 and make networking over usb | 15:59 |
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| flux | wow, has anyone else noticed that the device apparently can serve alarms even when powered off?-o | 16:01 |
| flux | apparently symbians also did that, though | 16:02 |
| tigert | its not really totally off | 16:02 |
| flux | obviously :) | 16:02 |
| tigert | if theres a battery | 16:02 |
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| DerSaidin | anyone know a way I can run a bash script whenever I connect to a specific lan? (or every 5 mins, but it only works on 1 lan) | 16:03 |
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| Corsac | DerSaidin: run a script in cron and detect the current selected wlan? | 16:04 |
| Corsac | (maybe the info is available in dbus or something like that) | 16:04 |
| DerSaidin | Corsac: I didn't find a cron | 16:04 |
| Corsac | oh :/ | 16:04 |
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| tigert | theres dbus for finding out about lan | 16:06 |
| tigert | and there is an alarm framework iirc | 16:06 |
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| VDVsx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide^ | 16:06 |
| VDVsx | ups: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide | 16:06 |
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| DerSaidin | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Alarm_Framework | 16:09 |
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| DerSaidin | ok, somewhat excessive for running a bash script :p | 16:09 |
| DerSaidin | but I guess it would be usefull if it was made configurable | 16:09 |
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| DerSaidin | (ie, crontab) | 16:09 |
| yabo | there should be a cron implementation using that framework | 16:09 |
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| Corsac | DerSaidin: ans isn't cron available at all? | 16:10 |
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| Corsac | DerSaidin: in maemo4 there was a cron package | 16:11 |
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| awben | hi all | 16:12 |
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| DerSaidin | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/alarmd/ that sounds like it might be close enough to cron | 16:12 |
| awben | someone on who can help me with a calendar problem? | 16:13 |
| yabo | awben, what's your problem ? | 16:13 |
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| awben | i tried to open a lokus notes calendar (ics) | 16:14 |
| awben | the phone open the calendar and shows me ca. 6000 enrys | 16:14 |
| Mysterious | hello everybody | 16:14 |
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| awben | after storing the calendar in a new one, it shows sero entries | 16:15 |
| yabo | awben, I never tried to open an ics file :/ | 16:15 |
| awben | it is funny.... i cant see any entrys, but this morning i got an alarm for one entry | 16:15 |
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| yabo | haha | 16:16 |
| awben | :-) | 16:16 |
| awben | maybe a remember of the twilight zone | 16:16 |
| awben | ^^ | 16:16 |
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| awben | i can see only the birthdays... but they are from my contacts | 16:17 |
| awben | i tried 2 synchronise the calendar with my 9300i... but it doesnt works... | 16:17 |
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| flux | has maemo 5 sdk been getting updates, or would the one I installed a month (or so) ago be still up-to-date? | 16:19 |
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| hrw | flux: "fakeroot apt-get update;fakeroot apt-get upgrade" should update your sdk anyway | 16:22 |
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| flux | hrw, oh, ok | 16:23 |
| hrw | flux: remember - nevermind how they broke Debian on which they base, it is still a bit of Debian under | 16:23 |
| flux | ;) | 16:24 |
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| yabo | is there a maemo roadmap somewhere (not talking about maemo 6 but the updates to the 5) ? | 16:27 |
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| hrw | yabo: next firmware should get working Modest (compared to current not usable state) | 16:28 |
| cehteh | imap idle? | 16:28 |
| yabo | hrw, ok, thanks | 16:29 |
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| hrw | cehteh: large accounts with lot of folders and emails | 16:29 |
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| cehteh | nice .. i absolutely need that | 16:30 |
| flux | for the record, the sdk has apparently only a handful of non-critical (just guessing) updates during the last month or so | 16:30 |
| cehteh | well imap idle support would be nice, i have some hopes anyone fixes that | 16:30 |
| hrw | cehteh: for me n900 is only able to tell that I have new email. but it takes eons to get it to show it | 16:31 |
| cehteh | hrw: yes, i seen that on the sdk | 16:31 |
| Dialekt | hmm | 16:31 |
| cehteh | modest is kindof braindead/unuseable | 16:31 |
| cehteh | in some ways | 16:31 |
| hrw | cehteh: maybe it works for pop3 accounts | 16:31 |
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| yabo | hrw, I have a quite large email account using imap and it works. A bit slow though. Over wifi (didn't try over 3G) | 16:32 |
| cehteh | no imap subscription support, no imap idle, no subfolders .. i didnt figured out if it has threading for messages | 16:32 |
| hrw | yabo: sure, it works here too. But I do not have patience to wait half hour just to get list of emails | 16:32 |
| yabo | But I guess it depends on what "large" means | 16:32 |
| yabo | yes | 16:32 |
| cehteh | and i have a lot huge mail folders with more than 30k messages | 16:33 |
| yabo | I've the same though with less messags (more around 5-10 k) | 16:33 |
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| hrw | yabo: my S60 phone with ProfiMail application do check of 7-10 subscribed folders (~18000 mails in total) in 5 minutes. and it display 14k folder in few seconds | 16:33 |
| Hukka | I only have about 9k mails in my inbox, but modest doesn't have a search feature... | 16:34 |
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| ccooke | I think I must have burned out some important part of my brain - I'm enjoying the "Only 30% cost of the n900 is justifiable" thread... | 16:34 |
| pupnik_ | how much would it cost to design and produce a different back cover for n900 that could take 2 batteries in parallel? | 16:34 |
| yabo | Is Modest the only mail client for maemo ? | 16:34 |
| Hukka | Kinetic scrolling doesn't appeal to me quite that much | 16:34 |
| hrw | Hukka: does Modest has something at all? | 16:34 |
| hrw | yabo: the only one integrated probably | 16:34 |
| cehteh | there is claws mail for maemo .. not sure if its ported to n900/maemo5 yet | 16:34 |
| Hukka | hrw: Well, it pops a notification when new mail comes? | 16:34 |
| ccooke | pupnik_: Hmm. Say two days of work and around $100, with additional covers costing about $50. | 16:35 |
| pupnik_ | would make it about 4mm thicker, and require some little bridgepiece between batteries | 16:35 |
| Hukka | That's something | 16:35 |
| ccooke | pupnik_: that's the cover alone, though - you'd need electronics. | 16:35 |
| pupnik_ | nah i cheat and bridge batteries | 16:35 |
| ccooke | Oh, and the whole process would take about a month or two. | 16:35 |
| pupnik_ | how come cover so cheap? | 16:35 |
| ccooke | I'm thinking of shapeways | 16:35 |
| yabo | You could also always have 2 batteries with you and switch them | 16:35 |
| yabo | but it requires a shutdown of the device though | 16:36 |
| ccooke | basically, use existing 3d imaging stuff to get a 3d model of the official cover. | 16:36 |
| ccooke | Redesign it, then ship that to shapeways using a cheap material. That will probably be wrong, so refine that over a few attempts. | 16:36 |
| awben | how about a fuel cell | 16:36 |
| awben | :-) | 16:36 |
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| pupnik_ | mhm, the slider camera cover would add to cost a lot | 16:36 |
| yabo | awben, nuclear powered cell :) | 16:36 |
| ccooke | Once you have a workable design, print it in a more solid material as a final test... then you're done :-) | 16:37 |
| awben | some fuel cells are available for notebooks | 16:37 |
| pupnik_ | ty for the shapeways info | 16:37 |
| ccooke | (note that shapeways take a *lot* longer to print metal objects) | 16:37 |
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| pupnik_ | btw bmw and vw have abandoned fuel cells | 16:37 |
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| ccooke | yabo: not viable :-) | 16:38 |
| xorAxAx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator | 16:38 |
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| awben | for that, u need big pockets | 16:39 |
| xorAxAx | nah, you can build small ones as well | 16:40 |
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| tigert | so folks | 16:40 |
| awben | i can use the phone nearby 24 hours with one loead | 16:40 |
| tigert | has anyone manaed to make that adblock plus installed? | 16:41 |
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| awben | but i go 2 offline mode in the night | 16:41 |
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| xorAxAx | perkele | 16:42 |
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| naxxatoe | awben: the best power saver is still for me to turn off wifi auto scan and auto connect | 16:43 |
| awben | copy that | 16:43 |
| Laiska | aaah,first ever n900 irc experience | 16:44 |
| naxxatoe | that does the trick quite well, the downside is i have to connect manually when i get somewhere | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | tigert, zerojay's package in Extras? | 16:44 |
| naxxatoe | with not much running in the background | 16:44 |
| awben | and 2 increase the time of refreshing weather and so on | 16:44 |
| naxxatoe | and listiening to music about 3 hours a day | 16:44 |
| naxxatoe | i get about mhh 48 hours of batt life | 16:44 |
| naxxatoe | till empty | 16:44 |
| awben | how long do u use it? | 16:45 |
| awben | i have it since last week friday | 16:45 |
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| awben | 48 hours is very good | 16:45 |
| naxxatoe | got it like 1 weeek ago | 16:45 |
| naxxatoe | maybe one and a half | 16:45 |
| Hukka | Hmh, ipython doesn't run. | 16:45 |
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| naxxatoe | also its quite nice to turn off 3g | 16:46 |
| naxxatoe | if you dont need it | 16:46 |
| Hukka | Oh well, here begins the actual work (the one that isn't fun at the same time) | 16:46 |
| naxxatoe | that is a big power saver too | 16:46 |
| tigert | hmm | 16:46 |
| awben | i lost a lot of battery capacity, trying 2 get my f**** notes calendar into the phone | 16:46 |
| pupnik_ | normal phone users will need to learn that battery life varies tremendously on an advanced power saving platform like this | 16:46 |
| naxxatoe | yeah | 16:46 |
| awben | "normal" phone users. should choose another phone | 16:47 |
| awben | ^^ | 16:47 |
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| pupnik_ | show the bounce evolution demo to folks.... wetpants | 16:48 |
| naxxatoe | we need more good apps on the n900 | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awesome, Talk users want to "remove" the CPU clock "governor". | 16:48 |
| naxxatoe | but its kinda hard to do, i have so many great ides (some already sketeched on paper) | 16:48 |
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| naxxatoe | and i suck at doing graphical stuff | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | force it to 800GHz! | 16:48 |
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| pupnik_ | naxxatoe: any ideas u wanna shate? | 16:49 |
| pupnik_ | share | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: neads moar levals. | 16:49 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: I see you're playing to your nick... | 16:49 |
| awben | ive got no 3g at the moment | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Having said that - I would like more governor flexibility. | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | But not on that side really. | 16:49 |
| odin_ | looking at http://www.mimomonitors.com/ (wishing someone produced a "net-book" sized screen 10" to 12.1", with "net-book" sized resolutions 1024x640 to 1280x960 via a USB2 link) | 16:49 |
| naxxatoe | pupnik_: i have a couple, stuff like a finance management tool (that keeps track of your expenses, something really useful to road warriors and so on), | 16:49 |
| pupnik_ | SpeedEvil: i guess so. it is so well done. such happy colors. i dont wanna show folks openarena | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | For example queuing inbound and outbound packets from processes for 30s. | 16:50 |
| naxxatoe | various addons to the calendar wich is a real mess | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=422656 | 16:50 |
| pupnik_ | naxxatoe: yeah i need expense tracker | 16:50 |
| naxxatoe | a location tool that allows you to swithc locations | 16:50 |
| pupnik_ | manual agps | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | And stalling them for most of the time, to make them ~100% idle, and reduce radio use, and CPU | 16:50 |
| naxxatoe | and turn on wifi/3g based on that | 16:50 |
| naxxatoe | pupnik_: agps is doable | 16:50 |
| naxxatoe | i thought about that yesterday | 16:50 |
| pupnik_ | it works great when cell radio is on | 16:50 |
| naxxatoe | all we need is a database of satilites | 16:50 |
| naxxatoe | like nokia has | 16:51 |
| pupnik_ | so clearly the gps software could be changed to allow user-assist | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | naxxatoe: the problem is we have no docs on the formats of stuff | 16:51 |
| naxxatoe | then we have a mini web server | 16:51 |
| awben | anyone else problems withe the calendar? | 16:51 |
| naxxatoe | and a sniffer | 16:51 |
| pupnik_ | i should charge for my advice | 16:51 |
| naxxatoe | change the url in the config interface and go | 16:51 |
| naxxatoe | ;) | 16:51 |
| naxxatoe | pupnik_: you good with graphical stuff? | 16:51 |
| pupnik_ | not any more | 16:52 |
| naxxatoe | damn | 16:52 |
| pupnik_ | the world moved-on | 16:52 |
| naxxatoe | need a coding partner to push cool projects, as my graphics stuff sucks ;) | 16:52 |
| pupnik_ | why u need gfx | 16:52 |
| naxxatoe | not gfx | 16:53 |
| naxxatoe | i just dont get along with lets say qt | 16:53 |
| pupnik_ | ui stuff? | 16:53 |
| naxxatoe | yup | 16:53 |
| pupnik_ | ah | 16:53 |
| pupnik_ | port some sdl games then :) | 16:53 |
| naxxatoe | i am more the high performance computing and security guy | 16:53 |
| pupnik_ | is great for noobs to get started | 16:53 |
| pupnik_ | ahh | 16:53 |
| pupnik_ | nm | 16:53 |
| naxxatoe | ;) | 16:53 |
| naxxatoe | afk for a bit | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man, there is NO productive troubleshooting going on on Talk. | 16:54 |
| pupnik_ | right | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a lot of clueless people helping other clueless people arrive at incorrect conclusions. | 16:54 |
| pupnik_ | we d | 16:54 |
| pupnik_ | we do that direct with mainteners | 16:55 |
| pupnik_ | adding regulatory hoops to tinyproject maintenance is a waste of life | 16:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: And the phone isn't even available to the unwashed masses who can get given it on a contract yet. They have to seek it out. | 16:56 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: So the ones on talk are the smart ones. | 16:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "smart" | 16:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's like the WiFi thread, I can't even find a productive bug on the issue. | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Imagine 6 months, when some carriers are giving the n900 out to iphone users cold. | 16:57 |
| lbt_ | lcuk: hey --- dominic says they've removed the offending clauses | 16:58 |
| wazd_5130 | Vdvsx, around? | 16:58 |
| lbt_ | we should be good to go | 16:58 |
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| pupnik_ | SpeedEvil: i hope after 6 months some of the annoyances will be fixed. | 17:00 |
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| pupnik_ | nokians, please fill your N900s with media files | 17:01 |
| pupnik_ | join us | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | heh, tracker | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | because indexing files should be O(1)? :P | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: Sure. But they will find new and stupid ones. | 17:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The WiFi one seems pretty stupid | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: many of which are not in scope - such as carrier performance. | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish somebody would dive in and troubleshoot it. | 17:02 |
| pupnik_ | yes. also media players should notify users if their index is not uptodate. on startup i have very slow device performance for a couple of minutes. | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, Apple uses a statusbar icon for that. | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia could easily do the same. | 17:02 |
| pupnik_ | GeneralAntilles: aha! | 17:02 |
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| pupnik_ | grep track /etc/init.d/* > (0) results GeneralAntilles | 17:05 |
| pupnik_ | hjashahah i was on my pc | 17:05 |
| VDVsx | wazd_5130, yes | 17:05 |
| VDVsx | new phone, lol | 17:05 |
| wazd_5130 | Yeah) | 17:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Should the suggestions of the keyboard be statistically based? I mean - I go to enter a new appointment - 'driving les' - as I have done several times before - and it suggests to complete that with 'bians' - not 'driving lesson'. | 17:08 |
| pupnik_ | I wish i still had my original VT100 terminal | 17:08 |
| pupnik_ | would be a gas to hook up to n900 | 17:08 |
| pupnik_ | GeneralAntilles: i don't see what invokes tracker - it ought to be able to run at a lower priority, no? | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, I think it DOES run at a low priority. | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | bug #6862 | 17:10 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6862 Add status area item to indicate Tracker activity | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, autocomplete is just horribly and uselessly broken. | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Save yourself the suffering and turn it off. ;) | 17:10 |
| wazd_5130 | I was thinking if you need analogue sticks for ps3 profile | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I find it not quite useless. | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: If I pick really long words with unique beginnings, it greatly boosts my typing speed | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, it picks phrases its acquired from your typing over dictionary phrases. | 17:11 |
| yabo | I wish they had put a tab key on the keyboard to use the autocompletion | 17:11 |
| pupnik_ | wazd_5130 just ordered a BT ps3 controller for experiments | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It also interferes with removing typos. | 17:11 |
| * SpeedEvil tries to remember when he typed driving lesbians. | 17:11 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Which I still don't understand, jrocha! | 17:11 |
| VDVsx | wazd_5130, that not sure, that might be tricky | 17:12 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, what don't you understand? | 17:12 |
| yabo | SpeedEvil, could be more interesting to than a car ;) | 17:12 |
| wazd_5130 | Pupnik, hehe) | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | yabo: indeed. | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, what possible point having the backspace key remove the autocomplete suggestion serves. | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | (other than forcing me to turn off autocomplete) | 17:13 |
| yabo | sp3000, maybe the phone is smarter than you think and tries to make a suggestion :) | 17:13 |
| wazd_5130 | Vdv, i mean just buttons, without analogue stuff | 17:13 |
| yabo | (s/sp3000/SpeedEvil) | 17:13 |
| pupnik_ | GeneralAntilles: ok how about this - when user starts N900, they generally want to do some stuff. Maybe if we had the 'out of sync' icon, we could delay invocation of the tracker for a minute or two? | 17:13 |
| pupnik_ | Right now, it is "Turn on N900, walk away" | 17:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, Apple doesn't let you stop out-of-box Spotlight indexing either. | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. | 17:14 |
| VDVsx | wazd_5130, humm, no need, they do the same thing as the dpad, at least in the PS2 | 17:14 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, the point is that at that moment the *last* thing you did/have was to receive the word suggest, backspace removes that last thing | 17:14 |
| jrocha | it's clear for me | 17:14 |
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| * VDVsx moos back | 17:14 | |
| pupnik_ | GeneralAntilles: maybe media indexes are the problem | 17:14 |
| wazd_5130 | Rst, heya | 17:14 |
| RST38h | Anyone has any ideas why Vulture's fails updating? | 17:15 |
| jrocha | if the backspace deleted the last char and an other suggestion was received it'd look intrusive for me... | 17:15 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, have packages to test ? I have :P | 17:15 |
| pupnik_ | you know, a filesystem is there, to organize your data | 17:15 |
| * RST38h has done some research this morning but nothing conclusive | 17:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, so, let's say I'm typing along and I hit a typo (frequent occurrence when typing on the N900 keyboard). It stands to reason that the thing I'd want to delete was the typo, right? | 17:15 |
| RST38h | VDV:sx: a moment =) | 17:15 |
| pupnik_ | also media tracker picking up graphics images from games is not good. | 17:15 |
| RST38h | 09:27 | 17:15 |
| RST38h | 09:27 Baltimore, MD - USA With delivery courier | 17:15 |
| wazd_5130 | Rst, my n800 is temp dead so I have to use java irc) | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, well, right now, if I want to delete that typo I have to typo backspace TWICE to remove the autocomplete which was AUTOMATICALLY inserted. | 17:16 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, but to remove that type is two key strokes away! | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, so, twice the effort, right? | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, but you still haven't explained WHY the autocomplete needs to be deleted by backspace. | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, what purpose does it serve? | 17:16 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, bug number please ? | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, note: I know of no other autocomplete system on any other platform that does it this way. :) | 17:16 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, what should happen in your opinion then? remove the char and the autocomplete? | 17:17 |
| yabo | GeneralAntilles, innovations are always misunderstood :) | 17:17 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, oh, I meant apps, lol | 17:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, autocomplete should be based on whatever characters are currently in the word. If you remove the last character, then the autocomplete suggestion changes. | 17:17 |
| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5369 | 17:18 |
| povbot | Bug 5369: Backspace removes auto-completion text but does not delete last typed char | 17:18 |
| * VDVsx didn't ordered the DDP device, since his a poor guy :) | 17:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, why does the delete key need to remove the autocompletion text? | 17:18 |
| wazd_5130 | Rst, can i buy your qwerty nokia please?) | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | yabo, point me to the innovation here. | 17:18 |
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| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, well, I would find that really annoying, having the autocomplete popping up every time I hit backspace | 17:18 |
| yabo | GeneralAntilles, I was kidding :) | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, isn't that the purpose of autocomplete? | 17:19 |
| jrocha | no | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, to show you suggestions based on what you have typed out now? | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and to REDUCE the amount of work it takes to typo? | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right now it's pretty much only succeeding in INCREASING the amount of work. | 17:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | (which is why I've turned it off) | 17:19 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, the purpose is to give you a suggestion of what you typed, not what you are left after removing stuff | 17:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: ohmygod | 17:19 |
| pupnik_ | http://library.gnome.org/devel/libtracker-common/unstable/ | 17:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: My current one is a loaner =) | 17:20 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, I'm not the designer who invented it. I'm not a designer, I'm a programmer | 17:20 |
| Hukka | Hm "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, note: every other platform I've seen with autocomplete does it this way. | 17:20 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, but as also a N900 user, I like it | 17:20 |
| Hukka | When I try to ssh into N900 | 17:20 |
| wazd_5130 | Rst, yeah, a bit sick experience) | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, and here we get to the core issue with Nokia's broken process. | 17:20 |
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| RST38h | somebody removed libpulse0 | 17:20 |
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| RST38h | I wonder why | 17:20 |
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| pupnik_ | !! | 17:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, I assume it's completely impossible to get to either the manager or the designer (or anybody at all who has the power to fix this glaring bug). | 17:21 |
| pupnik_ | Hukka: i ssh'd to root no problem. Specify root | 17:21 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, why do you think this is a glaring bug? is anyone apart from you complaining about it? | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, yes, everybody here I've asked about it doesn't like it. | 17:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, it's a bug because it's reducing usability, not increasing it. | 17:22 |
| Hukka | pupnik_: Did, that is not the cause | 17:22 |
| yabo | GeneralAntilles, isn't Maemo open source ? Can't the community fix this ? | 17:22 |
| Hukka | pupnik_: Google hits mention broken udev upgrades and missing device files | 17:22 |
| pupnik_ | http://live.gnome.org/Tracker/Performance "This page does not exist yet" GeneralAntilles ;) | 17:22 |
| wazd_5130 | Going deeper underground, bbl | 17:22 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, it's not that I don't like it. It's that I don't care ;-) | 17:22 |
| VDVsx | I don't like it too :( is annoying if you're used to other device | 17:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | yabo, not in this particular case, I don't think. | 17:22 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: we talking about autocomplete crapness? | 17:23 |
| VDVsx | and doesn't make any sense for me either | 17:23 |
| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5369 | 17:23 |
| povbot | Bug 5369: Backspace removes auto-completion text but does not delete last typed char | 17:23 |
| yabo | GeneralAntilles, no what ? This part of code isn't open source or it's too complicated to be fixed by the community ? | 17:23 |
| lardman | ah, my bug | 17:23 |
| pupnik_ | Linux Nokia-N900-42-11 Hukka ? | 17:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, yeah, see, I'm inclined not to care either, but mostly because the autocompletion is broken to the point where it's utterly useless. | 17:23 |
| jrocha | I don't think basing an experience on whatever devices one used is *always* a good point | 17:23 |
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| AbstractW | looks like nokia has more N900s in. | 17:23 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: You can test VE and SlideRule for exampple =) | 17:23 |
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| lardman | I note that autocompletion works correctly in desktop GTK apps | 17:24 |
| pupnik_ | bug 5369 might be considered a feature | 17:24 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5369 Backspace removes auto-completion text but does not delete last typed char | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: mostly useless. I find it of more use than not. | 17:24 |
| Hukka | pupnik_: Yes | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, and yet I've not seen a reasonable justification for why the autocomplete has to be setup this way. :) | 17:24 |
| Hukka | Closing all xterms solved this | 17:24 |
| Hukka | But not a nice solution... | 17:24 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Maybe even FBReader, if/when I figure out how to make a package of it | 17:24 |
| pupnik_ | Hukka: you ran out of ptys then | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody who's bothered by this issue, please vote on the bug. | 17:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, we're at 6. | 17:24 |
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| red | GeneralAntilles: on the backspace issue? | 17:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, which based on b.m.o's usual voting response rate makes it rather non-trivial. | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | red, yes. | 17:25 |
| red | do i need an acc to vote or is it ip based | 17:25 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, like I told you, my opinion is, it seems logic to me this way and doesn't get in my way. I cannot give you the original reasoning of why this was thought because I'm not the one who designed it :D | 17:25 |
| red | since it bothers me aswell | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | red, need to register an account. | 17:25 |
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| lardman | account | 17:25 |
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| red | cool | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, again, this goes back to the brokenness in Nokia's process. | 17:25 |
| red | id also like to know why a vCard sent from a 60e nokia symbian phone is empty on my n900 | 17:25 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, I tell you what, next week I'll try to rediscuss this issue with the designers | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, if there's any chance you could drag the person accountable out into the bug it'd be much appreciated. | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd really like to hear some logic | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | because right now I can't find any. | 17:26 |
| red | tested few different contacts, and even created a new one with just the phone number in it | 17:26 |
| red | has anyone else experienced this? | 17:26 |
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| red | bugzilla does require login | 17:26 |
| red | oh well ill create one | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | red, it doesn't take too long. | 17:26 |
| red | i have a feeling ill be needing it later on | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's pretty useful. | 17:26 |
| red | aye | 17:27 |
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| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, I'll try that. Actually I'm sending an email right away to the designers about this matter | 17:27 |
| red | got loads of stuff to go vote for / post if its not posted already | 17:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, thanks! | 17:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I assume commenting negatively on a wontfix is pointless - is voites actually purposeful? | 17:27 |
| Hukka | pupnik_: Four is too much? | 17:27 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: yeah votes are an easy metric | 17:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, votes are useful. | 17:28 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, what if the backspace deleted the suggestion AND the previous char BUT not suggesting anything? | 17:28 |
| lardman | rather than reading posts | 17:28 |
| pupnik_ | look at /etc/inittab Hukka - there they are instantiated | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, that'd be workable. | 17:28 |
| lardman | jrocha: that would be fine, but probably a bit silly | 17:28 |
| pupnik_ | i think u should be able to add some | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, although my suggestion here is that the designers look at how other platform do it. | 17:28 |
| jrocha | I know I know | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, as this is one of those cases where, unless you have something really innovative, deviating from what people are used to doesn't serve much purpose. | 17:28 |
| lardman | Damn ui spec! ;) | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, indeed. :( | 17:29 |
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| red | Anyone know an media player compatible with n900 that would support genres and folder based (+subfolders) | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate that it's the engineers out here taking our flack and not the designers or managers. | 17:29 |
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| lardman | I'm sure this must annoy Nokians too, but it's in the UI spec and therefore cannot be changed | 17:29 |
| red | i have a huge collection sorted into folders by main genre, then subfolders by albums | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | red, the built-in one does genres. | 17:29 |
| lardman | I wonder if the UI spec writer is very scary or something? | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola does folder browsing. | 17:29 |
| red | i know, but I need folders aswell | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, I think it's just a broken process. | 17:29 |
| red | fex: Rock & Punk folder has rock, alt rock, punk, punk rock, grunge | 17:30 |
| pupnik_ | I think GeneralAntilles is right again | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, there doesn't seem to be a good way to get fixes into the design. | 17:30 |
| red | keeping .pls files up to date is a hazzle | 17:30 |
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| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, I'm actually not at work time anymore but I'll still send the email | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, design bugs don't seem to be a "thing". | 17:30 |
| pupnik_ | red, i just put media into the proper directory | 17:30 |
| pupnik_ | what is so hard about that | 17:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: yeah - see the javascript yes/no thing :/ | 17:30 |
| red | I have .sound/punk & rock/albumname | 17:30 |
| red | but I cannot set the player to play only stuff in punk & rock + subfolders | 17:30 |
| pupnik_ | lectures/mit lectures/auburn songs/jazz songs/rock etc | 17:31 |
| red | since I also have DnB, House, Metal folders set up the same way | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, or a thousand others over the past 3 years. :( | 17:31 |
| pupnik_ | right red, because our industry has decided that users are too stupid to organize media | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I really hope the GPS phototagging precision isn't one of those - as it seems to be the policy on other phones from nokia. | 17:31 |
| pupnik_ | and perhaps the industry is right | 17:31 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, about the designers not enrolling more in discussions, maybe it also has to do with how things are told, I'm used to people being aggressive on mailing lists and stuff but that might scare people that are not taking up with such shit | 17:31 |
| pupnik_ | but i would rather that our devices not contribute to the IDIOTification of the planet | 17:31 |
| red | whats so hard about organizing media :( | 17:31 |
| pupnik_ | agree with you red | 17:31 |
| red | there are programs to do basic sorting for you alread aswell (like jaikoz fex) | 17:32 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Just need a decent third party multimedia player AND a way to turn tracker off | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, unfortunately it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. | 17:32 |
| red | had the basic same problem with iphone about folder, but it was neat that I could just drag & drop a folder into a playlist | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, when people get frustrated, they tend to get short and irritable. | 17:32 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: doesn't seem to be a good way of getting enhancements anywhere either :( | 17:32 |
| red | then autosync the playlist and just adding music into playlists instead of folders worked | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, so internal people are less inclined to come out and people get more frustrated. | 17:33 |
| VDVsx | lardman, enhancements, did you mean brainstorm :D | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, my personal opinion is that they need to stop hiring people out of S60. ;) | 17:33 |
| lardman | VDVsx: wash your mouth out! | 17:33 |
| pupnik_ | vi /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 17:33 |
| red | guess I could just work my way around it and autotag all those mp3s as "pop & punk" etc and then it would work, but that would suck for genius playlists on my desk comp | 17:33 |
| pupnik_ | cooool! it has initial delay! | 17:33 |
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| red | and having two copies of a 50gig library is gay aswell | 17:34 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, well, I like to think that human-beings can reason and understand that sometimes you just need to go slower and be polite | 17:34 |
| pupnik_ | <3 n900 soo much | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, easier to do when you don't feel like your effort is just getting flushed down a toilet. | 17:34 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles: if the community behaves respectful and patient, this would work. but a few people tend to attack Nokia, and I can also understand Nokians saying "why should I spend my time in the community?" | 17:34 |
| pupnik_ | flag to RST38h ` | 17:34 |
| jrocha | andre__, EXACTLY! | 17:34 |
| lardman | jrocha: is hard for us though when we make quite decent suggestions and get told "No way, doesn't agree with the UI spec" | 17:35 |
| pupnik_ | tracker was indexing my documents - elohel! | 17:35 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, and yes, I can also understand frustration in the community. but saying "but the other party has to start" never works :-) | 17:35 |
| temp-ale-x | a question, just out of interest: has anyone of you got an SDK+ to work with i386 rootstrap of freemantle? | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | the opposite argument is that the fact people aren't 'out in the community' causes the tension instead :P | 17:35 |
| andre__ | lardman, yeah, UI Spec argumentations extremely suck. | 17:35 |
| andre__ | so we all agree on a chicken and egg problem? :-P | 17:35 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, I don't think that's the whole story, I think the internet enabled people to do and say whatever they want because you're behind a shield and is free (tm) | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, you can't lay the blame squarely on either side. | 17:36 |
| RST38h | Sts: It really has ot be resolved at the case-by-case basis | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | cos we don't know who to gently poke | 17:36 |
| lcuk | lbt_, yeah? | 17:36 |
| RST38h | Sts: Not all developers should be spending their time online rather than working | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: of course | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, respect and disrespectful seems to get you exactly the same distance--nowhere. | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | and not all decisions should be made by community alone, either :P | 17:36 |
| pupnik_ | man, whoever made tracker, GOOD JOB with that .cfg file | 17:36 |
| RST38h | Sts: Some developers (like the GPS guy for example) are better pay some attention to the community | 17:36 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, so in doubt you should be respectful if it's the same result anyway ;-) | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, after as much time as a lot of folks have put in it becomes quite frustrating. | 17:36 |
| jrocha | andre__, exactly | 17:37 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, designers and developers need to be together when coming up with specs to ensure their plans match with the devices and capabilities | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Sts: And yes, the UI Spec sucks, and yes, I do not think community participation would help there | 17:37 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, yeah, I totally agree. And you're way longer around here than me, plus you've put a lot of efforts into Maemo... | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, eventually that leads to meltdowns, however. | 17:37 |
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| lcuk | and it needs to remain so to follow up afterwards | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Sts: Because Good UI Spec mostly depends on the common sense that was missing in the current UI Spec designers | 17:37 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm really happy to see the UX guys/girls out of the woodwork :) | 17:37 |
| pupnik_ | # Set to true to disable initial indexing when running on battery | 17:37 |
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| pupnik_ | BatteryIndexInitial=false | 17:37 |
| pupnik_ | nice! | 17:37 |
| lcuk | yes was good thrashing some bits out last week | 17:37 |
| lcuk | needs to continue | 17:38 |
| jaem | pupnik_, where is this cfg file? | 17:38 |
| hrw | tracker? | 17:38 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, but people dealing with you may change and new people may arrive, and if the new guys who can be nicer or worse arrive and see: "hey, this sucks! DO THIS NOW, that MAKES NO SENSE, FIX IT!"... people tend to give up | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Sts: Instead of watching users and helping them do their work faster, the current UI spec builds a "beautiful" city-on-the-hill in hopes that the usersand developers will flock to it | 17:38 |
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| pupnik_ | vi /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Well, no freaking chance, given how crooked the streets are | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | did any of you read the materials put out about style guide etc? | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:39 |
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| RST38h | Sts: I have read the style guide. It is enough. | 17:39 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, not pointing this stick to you but if one tries to be more polite when asking for things, results are normally better. you (generic you) should try it ;) | 17:39 |
| red | Does any other IM program integrate into contacts like butterfly? Butterfly has problems sensing internet connection and remains in connection error state after I roam to an area where there is no wlan/gprs. | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, unfortunately that's rarely the case. | 17:39 |
| red | and only way to get it to reconnect is offline mode -> online mode | 17:39 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Explaning to me why it is done this way is not going to succeed, as there are multiple ways to accomplish those goals | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, mostly you either get no response or a "this it how it is *WONTFIX*" no matter how kindly or not the original issue is filled. :) | 17:40 |
| slonopotamus | argh. n900 wifi is weaker than n800. have to move AP somewhere, n900 loses network in the kitchen :( | 17:40 |
| odin_ | does ARM have a CPU serial number, like Intel CPUID ? | 17:40 |
| nomis | is it possible to configure the "blur radius" of the stuff in the background of the dialogs? | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, which is why people tend to trend towards being unpleasant. | 17:40 |
| RST38h | slono: more agressive powersave | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | nomis: yeah, hildon-desktop.ini | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 17:41 |
| odin_ | (which was removed due to outrage, OUTRAGE !!!) | 17:41 |
| lardman | ~kill all representatives of Global Telecom | 17:41 |
| * infobot shoots a excited photon gun at all representatives of Global Telecom | 17:41 | |
| RST38h | General: Well, live people are often unpleasant, there is nothing unusual with that | 17:41 |
| _berto_ | slonopotamus: in my experience it's the other way around | 17:41 |
| RST38h | General: Ability to withstand some flac and a good strategic position helps though | 17:41 |
| lardman | ~piss on the graves of all representatives of Global Telecom | 17:41 |
| * infobot pisses on the graves of all representatives of Global Telecom | 17:41 | |
| slonopotamus | rst38h, is it configurable? | 17:42 |
| RST38h | Nokia does not have that on many of the public bugzilla trackers | 17:42 |
| RST38h | slono: Yea | 17:42 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, unpleasant does not get you any further. I'm not sending the email because you were aggressive, I'm sending it because I think you guys might have a point | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, this is one case out of 500. | 17:42 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly if it's time for community code of conduct | 17:42 | |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, still, politeness if the way :D | 17:42 |
| jrocha | s/if/is | 17:42 |
| * VDVsx waits for the day that "Fixed in harmattan" massively attacks bmo | 17:42 | |
| slonopotamus | berto, i have them both on the table near each other, n800 sees wifi (2 bars), n900 doesn't | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: it's going to be a more odd situation than with diablo - as most of the stuff is developed openly now | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | well, a lot of stuff | 17:43 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: if you'd like to take our some agression, I can suggest that any representative of Global Telecom would gladly welcome being beaten to a pulp | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, my only point is that we don't all have the patience of saints. | 17:43 |
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| slonopotamus | rst38h, how? :) | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrocha, both sides tend to reap what they sow. | 17:43 |
| _berto_ | slonopotamus: strange, my impression was different, but you might be right :) | 17:44 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, just wait for UI changes/enhancements ;) | 17:44 |
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| Micha_ | temp-ale-x: How far did you get? | 17:44 |
| slonopotamus | rst38h, found | 17:44 |
| RST38h | slono: yeah :) | 17:44 |
| Jagoo | I wonder how long its gonna take until we see proper ports of Quake and Quake2 for the N900 :) | 17:44 |
| jrocha | GeneralAntilles, okay, I understand that but you gotta free the hate buffer once in while, to leave space for the new people not to be annoyed on their first contact to the community | 17:44 |
| temp-ale-x | Micha_: stuck somewhere at the and | 17:44 |
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| ale-x | or whatever? | 17:45 |
| ale-x | this is not even my password *g* | 17:45 |
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| andre__ | jrocha, yeah, exactly. i've seen people attacking developers in bugzilla and talk after they had started to speak directly with the community. no good | 17:46 |
| jrocha | also re-check the language that people use sometimes and forget that some of the people, specially designers (statistically) might be girls, and girls tend to get more annoyed than us when someone says: "hey why the frak is this doing X instead of Y dude!" | 17:46 |
| andre__ | heh. "WTF?????????????" | 17:47 |
| VDVsx | I totally agreed with jrocha on that, I already saw some Nokians and contractors showing up in BMO for the first time and they generally got a really nice welcome there :( | 17:47 |
| lardman | I'd be upset as a boy being called a small piece of poo too | 17:47 |
| furunk3l | what did i miss? | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: heh, - i'm still astonished by how well vitaly_repin is keeping up on tmo :) | 17:47 |
| Jagoo | jrocha: the wonders of OSS development model ;) | 17:48 |
| lardman | hmm, wikipedia doesn't seem to agree with my meaning for the word dude | 17:48 |
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| furunk3l | lardman: change it | 17:48 |
| * lardman wonders where he heard that then | 17:48 | |
| AbstractW | then update wikipedia, lardman. | 17:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | lardman: dude != poo | 17:48 |
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| lardman | furunk3l: ah yes :) | 17:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | That would be doodie | 17:48 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, on related news (tmo), seems that our friend Darius is back | 17:48 |
| lardman | ah, means fool from German | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: oh dear | 17:49 |
| andre__ | VDVsx, uh? where? | 17:49 |
| slonopotamus_ | hmm | 17:49 |
| jrocha | Jagoo, yes, but we need to change that if we want to be more successful | 17:49 |
| furunk3l | fool? | 17:49 |
| slonopotamus_ | with disabled powersave it works | 17:49 |
| slonopotamus_ | need to try with medium | 17:49 |
| VDVsx | andre__, talk | 17:49 |
| furunk3l | i would translate it more like "alter" | 17:49 |
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| lardman | http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/dude?view=uk | 17:49 |
| lardman | Dude | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Darius for Council chair! Impeach VDVsx! | 17:49 |
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| lardman | :D | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Misappropriation of funds! | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hear he used maemo.org money to go to a topless bar in Barcelona! | 17:49 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, + 1 | 17:49 |
| andre__ | VDVsx, username / link? | 17:49 |
| VDVsx | andre__, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=421938&postcount=3 | 17:50 |
| range | Topless bears? | 17:50 |
| andre__ | hmm. as long as he does not enter bugzilla... :-P | 17:50 |
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| jrocha | of course, developers are also very aggressive sometimes, not only unhappy users :) | 17:50 |
| odin_ | Who was looking into the Maemo "Security API" ? or specifically a "Secure Storage API" ? the kind of API to be used for service credentials, maybe long-term cookies | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, Imma PM him a link. | 17:50 |
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| solpete | could someone check if kongregate games work on n900 .. such as http://www.kongregate.com/games/light_bringer777/learn-to-fly | 17:50 |
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| jrocha | we should think about this and change | 17:50 |
| VDVsx | andre__, there's another thread, where is complains about lack of updates for the 770 | 17:50 |
| * Stskeeps blinks | 17:51 | |
| VDVsx | s/is/he | 17:51 |
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| Scummer | woof woof | 17:51 |
| slonopotamus_ | rst38h, you made me happier :) | 17:51 |
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| X-Fade | odin_: Maemo 6 platform security? | 17:51 |
| ale-x | Micha_: af-sb-init.sh start should be run as root? | 17:51 |
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| odin_ | X-Fade, 5 and yes 6 (i.e. I don't expect things to be perfected in 5 but for input into Meamo6 development) | 17:51 |
| andre__ | jrocha: yes. a good rant is acceptable if it actually triggers change. yes, we're all a bunch of passionate people, aren't we? :-P | 17:51 |
| Scummer | alex : no.. you can login into scratchbox and run the init script from there | 17:52 |
| jrocha | andre__, yup! | 17:52 |
| lardman | shall I delete that post, seems to be spam | 17:52 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: To be honest, that was before I figured out that what that does, should really be done by "maemo-sdk start gui" | 17:52 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: If you do "maemo-sdk --verbose start gui" you (should) see a lot of errors. | 17:52 |
| ale-x | well, the maemo-sdk way doesn't give me enough error output | 17:52 |
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| ale-x | ah ok | 17:52 |
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| ale-x | you were faster than I *g* | 17:52 |
| Scummer | micha : is that for the armel or x86 target ? | 17:53 |
| jrocha | andre__, let's be passionate like artists, not passionate like hungry lions going for the tiniest gazelle in the field | 17:53 |
| ale-x | than I could think, I meant | 17:53 |
| ale-x | x86 | 17:53 |
| Scummer | ah | 17:53 |
| Micha_ | Scummer: We're stuck trying to get the i386 target working | 17:53 |
| andre__ | jrocha, hell yeah. | 17:53 |
| Scummer | i've spent all day yesterday to get the armel target up only to read that it actually just simply doesn't work d'oh | 17:53 |
| solpete | does java games such as http://www.kongregate.com/games/light_bringer777/learn-to-fly work? | 17:54 |
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| Micha_ | Scummer: It works just fine for compiling, just not for running stuff | 17:54 |
| odin_ | solpete, I don't think there is any Java support yet, ths is something I would very much look into (in new year) | 17:54 |
| Scummer | micha: correct.. i was able to compile modest trunk only to find out i couldn't test it in scratchbox :/ | 17:54 |
| Micha_ | Scummer: Yeah, and I like to test stuff first before I try it on the device.. the sb2 stuff seems to be very fragile at present. | 17:55 |
| ale-x | Micha_: I get stuck at Error setting value: Configuration server couldn't be contacted: D-BUS error: Can't overwrite existing read-only value | 17:55 |
| Scummer | micha: ACK | 17:56 |
| ale-x | then maemo-invoker complains about not getting the correct parameters (or none it seems) | 17:56 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: I get similar. | 17:56 |
| ale-x | then trackerd doesn't finds its libs (which is odd, because they are there) | 17:56 |
| ale-x | and that's it | 17:56 |
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| ale-x | apart from a few gstreamer related problems | 17:57 |
| ale-x | maybe dbus or whatever | 17:57 |
| ale-x | Micha_: do you get the same results in X86 and AMD64? | 17:57 |
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| Micha_ | ale-x: Would have to double-check now (and right now I can't due to being at work). | 17:57 |
| lbt_ | lcuk: yes, I got the revised stuff through. We're officially allowed to be "derogatory and disparaging" towards Nokia *and* their employees .... hear that timeless_mbp you worthless yankee nokian? <grin> | 17:58 |
| lcuk | as long as you are happy david, thats the most important thing. | 17:59 |
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| ale-x | Micha_: but you couldn't get it to run in X86 either? | 17:59 |
| lcuk | and i think timeless rocks! so dont call him again | 17:59 |
| lbt_ | we can't defame them though .... | 17:59 |
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| Micha_ | ale-x: Nope. My amd64 box is Ubuntu 9.10, my x86 box is Debian sid | 18:00 |
| lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee lol | 18:00 |
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| lardman | esp this bit: | 18:00 |
| lcuk | of course, thats been the same for every self respecting member of this community fora long time anyway | 18:00 |
| * lbt_ has rules - you can insult anyone on irc that you've had dinner with ;) | 18:00 | |
| lardman | A humorous aphorism attributed to E.B. White summarizes these distinctions: | 18:00 |
| lardman | To foreigners, a Yankee is an American. | 18:00 |
| lardman | To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner. | 18:00 |
| lardman | To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner. | 18:00 |
| lardman | To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander. | 18:00 |
| lardman | To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter. | 18:00 |
| lardman | And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast. | 18:00 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: When I get time, I was going to set up a virtual Debian lenny box and try it on there. | 18:00 |
| lcuk | lbt, ive never eaten dinner with you! | 18:00 |
| pupnik_ | I just heard a lecture including a history of the yankees, and that is not far off. | 18:00 |
| ale-x | Micha_: my first try was in a ia32 chroot | 18:01 |
| lcuk | but ive slept in the same room as you and thats close enough | 18:01 |
| VDVsx | lbt_, I did, so I can insult you now ? :P | 18:01 |
| lbt_ | VDVsx: of course | 18:01 |
| VDVsx | lol | 18:01 |
| ale-x | Micha_: could not even get diablo to display in Xephyr there | 18:01 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: I never tried that. Read something that the sb2 based environment now supports amd64 so I've just been bashing my head against walls trying to get that going. | 18:01 |
| VDVsx | never had dinner with timeless_mbp , but he was my summit roomate, dunno if that counts :p | 18:02 |
| lbt_ | lcuk: nah I'm always polite to people I sleep with ;) | 18:02 |
| Scummer | lard: lol | 18:02 |
| ale-x | Micha_: actually I can run the diablo rootstrap in my system without problems, so I'd say yes, sb2 supports amd64 | 18:02 |
| lbt_ | lcuk: seriously though - all the contentious legal clauses are out | 18:03 |
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| lcuk | i know, ill talk to you properly after work :) thanks for pushing | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: no requirement for indemnity forex/ | 18:03 |
| lcuk | compromise :) | 18:03 |
| lbt_ | the licensing still needs work but I'm happy that the community and W+K have a basis for communication now | 18:03 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: Heh. Haven't tried the diablo one. Just been trying the fremantle rootstraps. | 18:04 |
| lbt_ | SpeedEvil: correct | 18:04 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:04 |
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| VDVsx | lbt_, many thanks for the effort :9 | 18:04 |
| lbt_ | nb... legal docs are like code problems | 18:04 |
| VDVsx | lol | 18:04 |
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| * VDVsx prefer code problems | 18:04 | |
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| ale-x | Micha_: I think I'll give up for now and wait for SDK+ and freemantle to mature a bit | 18:05 |
| awben | back | 18:06 |
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| Scummer | alex: agreed | 18:06 |
| andre__ | ale-x, fremantle. one e. :-P | 18:06 |
| Micha_ | ale-x: That's pretty much where I'm at too :( But people must have it working.. | 18:06 |
| Scummer | micha: or you just test on the device :) | 18:06 |
| Scummer | that's what the ssh server is for :) | 18:07 |
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| ale-x | I guess those who are emulating successfully use SDK and old scratchbox | 18:07 |
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| ale-x | Scummer: no need ssh if there is no N900 to ssh to ;-) | 18:08 |
| Scummer | alex: oh.. sorry :) | 18:08 |
| Scummer | i forgot.. there are still a lot of people waiting | 18:09 |
| Micha_ | Scummer: True.. But a bit scary.. | 18:09 |
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| ale-x | I won't get one in the near future either ;-) | 18:09 |
| Scummer | currently i shouldn't really test on the phone as the office internet is down and i'm connected through my n900 ;) | 18:09 |
| Scummer | that could potentially leave me dead in the water | 18:10 |
| ale-x | Scummer: is it easy to completely brick the N900? | 18:11 |
| andre__ | ale-x, no. | 18:11 |
| Scummer | alex: i haven't tried it yet :) | 18:11 |
| odin_ | ale-x, there are known causes, like filling rootfs and rebooting | 18:11 |
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| Scummer | but i also don't have a flash image with me | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: which isn't "bricking" as such. brick = not even possible to flash | 18:12 |
| ale-x | Stskeeps, that's what I meant | 18:12 |
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| Scummer | i guess it is advisable as a n900 to carry your laptop with a backup image with you at any times? :) | 18:12 |
| Scummer | n900 owner even | 18:12 |
| lardman | no | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, camkeyd is so awesome. | 18:13 |
| odin_ | Scummer, not really advise just paranoia | 18:13 |
| Scummer | paranoia is good | 18:13 |
| Scummer | keeps you on the edge | 18:14 |
| odin_ | Scummer, are you looking at me ? stop looking at me ! | 18:14 |
| ale-x | ;-) | 18:14 |
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| lardman | I've yet to make a device unusable in normal day to day use | 18:15 |
| lardman | and I've had a few | 18:15 |
| lardman | from 770 onwards | 18:15 |
| lardman | so I really wouldn't worry | 18:15 |
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| odin_ | had a few? attempts? days? devices? beers? | 18:16 |
| lardman | all the above | 18:16 |
| ShadowJK | wow, bounce is (somewhat) optified | 18:16 |
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| odin_ | I think it would possible to fix the non-booting when full issue | 18:16 |
| hrw | bye all | 18:16 |
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| lardman | cu hrw|gone | 18:16 |
| Scummer | odin : hmm.. like a daemon running? if rootfs > 95% then rm -rf / | 18:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | odin_: delete stuff at random | 18:17 |
| odin_ | maybe even provide single-user mode (to boot) | 18:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Bah Scummer beat me too it | 18:17 |
| Scummer | gadget *5* | 18:17 |
| ale-x | odin_: what exactly is the problem? device doesn't boot if there is no space left? | 18:17 |
| odin_ | thats the common (presumed) cause I've head, no-space-on-root-mean-no-life-after-boot haha | 18:17 |
| lardman | hmm, I really would rather like a beer | 18:17 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Fscking right up when the root fs runs out of space is a Maemo feature | 18:18 |
| Scummer | :) | 18:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | One that N8x0 owners thoroughly enjoyed | 18:18 |
| ale-x | odin_: what filesystem does the roo partition use? | 18:18 |
| Scummer | maybe have a way to start another image from the SD card to mount the rootfs and clean up some stuff ? | 18:18 |
| odin_ | the fix is to make the important stuff work even with no space (ubifs is expandable anyway, so its possible to reserve) | 18:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Although when I filled my N810 I didn't even need to reboot it before it fscked right up | 18:18 |
| odin_ | ale-x, UBIFS for rootfs | 18:18 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Ran out of cache for apt, so there's no room to uninstall apps... what a paradox | 18:19 |
| AbstractW | grr. | 18:19 |
| AbstractW | The N900 was in stock this morning, and now its out of stock on Nokia's site. | 18:19 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'll sell you mine for £700 AbstractW | 18:20 |
| Scummer | abstract : still trying to score one? | 18:20 |
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| AbstractW | Yes. | 18:20 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid_mbp, how much as in AbstractW worth? | 18:20 |
| Scummer | abstract 0: nokia store 1 | 18:20 |
| odin_ | what about if during bootup and root mount it sees less than 32Kb (or whatever min-limit) free space, it offers single-user-mode and a terminal ? which runs X11 and terminal using a ram-drive for storage if needed | 18:20 |
| Scummer | ;) | 18:20 |
| AbstractW | Ideally, if I could get in on that $450 dell deal, I'd jump. | 18:20 |
| odin_ | doesn't FuSE work, I see there module is there... ramdrive over the top of rootfs | 18:20 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | lcuk: precisely 1.5 GBP | 18:20 |
| ale-x | odin_: and how are you filling the root fs to make it full? installing software? | 18:20 |
| lcuk | nice | 18:21 |
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| odin_ | ale-x, yes that is one way, I move my /var/lib/dpkg tho, since the installed software package-db uses 5 to 10% of rootfs storage | 18:21 |
| ale-x | odin_: yes, that's a problem with dpkg, it was not really designed for embedded systems as far as I know | 18:22 |
| odin_ | ale-x, i.e. what I'm saying is the package-db as-is is not scalable, since lets presume number of repos/apps doubles, thats 10 to 15% of rootfs for it | 18:22 |
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| Scummer | /var is not an extra fs ? | 18:22 |
| lardman | mmm, beer | 18:22 |
| odin_ | Scummer, no, only /home | 18:23 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Pandora XML for all! | 18:23 |
| Scummer | odin : hmm.. ok.. that's no good | 18:23 |
| ale-x | odin_: I'm asking, because I know that some fs provide reserveable space for root-user | 18:23 |
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| ale-x | ubifs as well, afaik | 18:23 |
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| odin_ | ale-x, the problem is its a single-user devices, so there is "User" and "root" most things assume root, which is ok really | 18:23 |
| yabo | Isn't it possible to change /etc/fstab to have a new FS layout ? | 18:23 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Did you just copy /var/lib/dpkg to user space and symlink it? | 18:23 |
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| odin_ | I wrote a script | 18:24 |
| ale-x | odin_: the solution that instantly came to my mind: don't allow apt to install if there is not enough space and reserve some for root | 18:24 |
| Scummer | hmm.. since there is 32G's.. make the rootfs 2G's ? | 18:24 |
| odin_ | ale-x, yes sure there are issue with apt getting the amount of free diskspace on UBIFS, since its a compressed filesystem | 18:25 |
| ale-x | odin_: but I don't know enough about the N900, given the fact that I don't even own one *g* | 18:25 |
| Scummer | instead of the meager 230M's as the df shows ? | 18:25 |
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| X-Fade | Scummer: the emmc is way, way slower. | 18:26 |
| siriusnova | hello | 18:26 |
| siriusnova | im new | 18:26 |
| siriusnova | :> | 18:26 |
| siriusnova | i just bought a brand new Nokia N900 | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | siriusnova: welcome ;) | 18:26 |
| Scummer | xfade: oh.. ok | 18:26 |
| siriusnova | so what can i do with this fancy gadget | 18:26 |
| lopz | hi :! | 18:26 |
| odin_ | ale-x, making the device boot with a full rootfs is like really useful feature, worth persuing | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | Scummer: There is a reason why root is on that 256 MB part ;) | 18:26 |
| yabo | X-Fade, though the /opt is on the emmc isn't it ? | 18:27 |
| lardman | siriusnova: have a look in the application manager to see what you can install, and look at TMO for some other ideas | 18:27 |
| Scummer | xfade: so the 256M is some fast flash or battery backed RAM ? | 18:27 |
| ale-x | siriusnova: donate it? to me? | 18:27 |
| lardman | ~tmo | 18:27 |
| Scummer | bah | 18:27 |
| siriusnova | lol | 18:27 |
| Scummer | battery backed ram makes no sense | 18:27 |
| lardman | come on infobot | 18:27 |
| Scummer | so fast fash | 18:27 |
| siriusnova | ale-x: pif 700 USD | 18:27 |
| Scummer | flash | 18:27 |
| X-Fade | Scummer: onenand flash | 18:27 |
| microlith | Scummer: it's a samsung OneNAND chip | 18:27 |
| ale-x | yeah, as if I had USD at hand | 18:28 |
| odin_ | does it operate are CPU memory bus speed? | 18:28 |
| siriusnova | lardman: what is TMO | 18:28 |
| AbstractW | Interesting. | 18:28 |
| AbstractW | http://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B002OB49SW | 18:28 |
| siriusnova | is there a good irc client for the maemo 5? | 18:28 |
| odin_ | siriusnova, X-Chat does the trick for me | 18:28 |
| Scummer | sirius: xchat | 18:28 |
| yabo | siriusnova, irssi :) | 18:28 |
| AbstractW | define good :P | 18:28 |
| siriusnova | xchat isnt available in the extras repository | 18:28 |
| siriusnova | irssi is in extras-devel i think | 18:28 |
| lardman | siriusnova: talk.maemo.org | 18:28 |
| Scummer | ssh into home box with screeen and ircII is better tho :) | 18:28 |
| siriusnova | or extras-testing | 18:28 |
| yabo | siriusnova, non extras-testing | 18:29 |
| AbstractW | script: No, bitchx beats ircII | 18:29 |
| yabo | siriusnova, I have it without using extras-devel | 18:29 |
| rabbitear | I just noticed that the n900 is missing a 'wall projection screen' | 18:29 |
| siriusnova | oh | 18:29 |
| siriusnova | yaho - weird i dont | 18:29 |
| siriusnova | lemme check | 18:29 |
| siriusnova | i dont see xchat | 18:29 |
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| Scummer | ircII is the grand daddy of irc clients :) | 18:29 |
| ale-x | siriusnova: I guess pidgin would be an alternative too, supports IRC | 18:29 |
| ShadowJK | extras-devel, crashes if you try save settings | 18:29 |
| lopz | hello, anyone has the motion application running on a n800? | 18:30 |
| rabbitear | telnet is the grand daddy of irc clients :) | 18:30 |
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| Scummer | rabbit: ok, you win :) | 18:30 |
| rabbitear | hehe | 18:30 |
| X-Fade | irssi is in extras-testing | 18:30 |
| pupnik | rabbitear: 'talk' maybe | 18:30 |
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| pupnik | hey, who wants a port of 'hunt' | 18:30 |
| lopz | I have installed but when starting gives me some errors concerning v4l2, I step log of what I get on screen | 18:30 |
| rabbitear | talk does host to host I believe... | 18:30 |
| lopz | http://dpaste.com/132055/ | 18:30 |
| siriusnova | what other apps do you guys reccomend | 18:30 |
| pupnik | yeah | 18:31 |
| siriusnova | for my new Nokia N900 | 18:31 |
| siriusnova | aside from openssh :P | 18:31 |
| Scummer | sirius: drnoksnes | 18:31 |
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| Scummer | with wiicontrol | 18:31 |
| siriusnova | which repo is it in? | 18:31 |
| Scummer | and a projector for tv out :) | 18:31 |
| siriusnova | lol | 18:31 |
| siriusnova | i have all 3 | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later folks. | 18:31 |
| pupnik | maybe gpe file manager, gpe calendar, packagerate, maemo music player daemon, xchat, gpodder | 18:31 |
| Scummer | office life becomes so much better with those 3 things :) | 18:31 |
| lardman | cu GeneralAntilles | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Winter break! | 18:32 |
| pupnik | cu GeneralAntilles | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | uc lardman usuk | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | later | 18:32 |
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| rabbitear | have not seen talk in a loooong time, or am I thinking of hmm, oh well | 18:32 |
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| pupnik | hunt was the first unix multiplayer fragfest | 18:33 |
| siriusnova | where is xchat | 18:33 |
| Scummer | insteaf of talk, just use write :) | 18:33 |
| siriusnova | its not in extras-testing either | 18:33 |
| siriusnova | :/ | 18:33 |
| rabbitear | yeah, brain gets to rest :) (winter break) | 18:33 |
| Scummer | sirius : try extras-devel | 18:33 |
| rabbitear | thats what I was thinking of write | 18:33 |
| siriusnova | isnt that buggy sw | 18:33 |
| siriusnova | Scummer | 18:33 |
| pupnik | http://man-wiki.net/index.php/6:hunt | 18:33 |
| Scummer | sirius: so what ? :) | 18:33 |
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| yabo | Beware extras-devel eats your children, kills your kitten and blows up your house. | 18:34 |
| yabo | :) | 18:34 |
| Scummer | the bleeding edge requires a sense of adventure.. even if that means spending another 600$ on a new phone :) | 18:34 |
| siriusnova | lol | 18:34 |
| siriusnova | id rather not | 18:34 |
| rabbitear | talk was like an ncurses or whatever thing like bbs chat | 18:34 |
| Scummer | rabbit: yeah.. talk had like a dual screen | 18:35 |
| siriusnova | but in case how do I reflash my N900 anyhoo | 18:35 |
| siriusnova | is it possible yet? | 18:35 |
| siriusnova | since its brand new | 18:35 |
| Scummer | but write you could run from the command line.. especially useful when you are in the middle of typing a long command and a write comes in :) | 18:35 |
| rabbitear | yep :) | 18:36 |
| Scummer | sirius: wiki.maemo.org is your friend | 18:36 |
| siriusnova | yes found it | 18:36 |
| siriusnova | thx | 18:36 |
| rabbitear | good for messing with people at work.. (write) | 18:36 |
| Scummer | yep | 18:36 |
| Scummer | like : the system is going down.. logoff now!! and bamm.. you could 100% the CPU to yourself | 18:36 |
| rabbitear | I miss my job (long time ago) :) | 18:37 |
| Scummer | hehe | 18:37 |
| rabbitear | lol | 18:37 |
| Scummer | but that's wall was for | 18:37 |
| rabbitear | 'wall'? | 18:38 |
| Scummer | wall = write all | 18:38 |
| rabbitear | oh ya.... | 18:38 |
| rabbitear | your bringing back memories to me Scummer | 18:39 |
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| Scummer | :) | 18:39 |
| rabbitear | these was slackware servers ... | 18:39 |
| rabbitear | had all that stuff.. | 18:39 |
| Scummer | i ahven't been a unix admin for a while myself.. but the useful commands i still somewhat remember :) | 18:39 |
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| rabbitear | we and them, well, in the room, was answering the phones, using the slackware servers... in the 97++... isp's where young back then | 18:40 |
| Scummer | yep | 18:41 |
| rabbitear | today thats all different.. *shrugs* | 18:41 |
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| Scummer | it was a lucky shot if you got DSL in 97 unless you lived downtown in a city | 18:41 |
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| yabo | are there other usable distros for the n900 ? | 18:41 |
| rabbitear | back in school, and I shoulda done like art or something, its all windows Crap! | 18:41 |
| Scummer | yabo : i think Mer might work with some fiddling... but i think you'll loose the phone features | 18:42 |
| rabbitear | Scummer: I had the first (one of, was a beta tester) cable modems in town.. | 18:42 |
| yabo | Scummer, ok | 18:42 |
| rabbitear | 25kbits I think is that right | 18:43 |
| Scummer | rabbit: i always had DSL until a few month ago.. swtiched to commicast | 18:43 |
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| rabbitear | Scummer: that was in fairbanks, alaska actually.... | 18:43 |
| rabbitear | Scummer: I'm in anchorage, ak now (from boston tho), you guys have the better deals :) | 18:44 |
| Scummer | rabbit: brrr.. those bits were crawling in the cold.. no wonder it was 25kbit :) | 18:44 |
| rabbitear | faster then 3-5kbits | 18:44 |
| rabbitear | :) | 18:44 |
| Scummer | even tho.. a modem could have given you 33k back in 97 :) | 18:44 |
| Scummer | or was it 56k already ? | 18:44 |
| rabbitear | okay then I mean 250kbits | 18:44 |
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| Scummer | 250kbit.. yeah.. a tad faster than ISDN.. sounds right | 18:44 |
| rabbitear | I'm so bad at converting that.. | 18:45 |
| ShadowJK | 230 is like edge.. | 18:45 |
| Scummer | ISDN was nice.. i had that in germany | 18:45 |
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| Scummer | with channel bundling 128k when everyone else was still 33k dial up | 18:45 |
| Scummer | and the linux support for ISDN was pretty good 15 years ago | 18:46 |
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| ShadowJK | isdn and dialup sucked in thr sense that it was charged per minute | 18:46 |
| Scummer | shadow: not in germany | 18:46 |
| * ShadowJK switched to gprs as soon as he had phone with serial port and gprs coverage | 18:47 | |
| Scummer | shadow: after a while they had a flat rate.. just the dial-in was 10 cents and then no more charges | 18:47 |
| ShadowJK | isdn would've been about 3 euro per hour here :) | 18:47 |
| Scummer | if you were in a range of 5 miles to the CO | 18:47 |
| Scummer | which I was :) | 18:47 |
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| rabbitear | a little waay back you could still bluebox in germany too | 18:48 |
| Scummer | rabbit: i've tried.. but was never successful with it | 18:48 |
| rabbitear | like up until the mid early 90's | 18:48 |
| Scummer | rabbit: i really could have made good use of it as my girlfriend lived in the US | 18:48 |
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| rabbitear | Scummer: I got calls into my bbs before way back from the boxers | 18:49 |
| Scummer | my phone bills were outrages | 18:49 |
| Scummer | outrageous | 18:49 |
| rabbitear | ya... | 18:49 |
| Scummer | overseas calls are now damn cheap | 18:49 |
| rabbitear | the box sounds very weird on the phone | 18:49 |
| rabbitear | thats incoming box calls | 18:49 |
| Scummer | rabbit: even a normal call sounds different now than a decade ago | 18:50 |
| rabbitear | and takes a long time to connect too... Scummer | 18:50 |
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| SinofEnvy | just received my N900 :> any ideas on how to transfer my contacts from my iphone to my n900? lol | 18:50 |
| Scummer | now it seems they are right in the next town | 18:50 |
| Scummer | envy: take out the SIM? hehehehe | 18:50 |
| SinofEnvy | contacts aren't on the SIM unfortunately | 18:50 |
| SinofEnvy | but on internal mem :( | 18:50 |
| ale-x | SinOfEnvy: SyncML? | 18:51 |
| Scummer | the iphone actually does have a sIM? | 18:51 |
| juhar | SinofEnvy, do you have mac? | 18:51 |
| valdyn | SinofEnvy: nuevasync.com | 18:51 |
| SinofEnvy | juhar, no | 18:51 |
| yabo | ale-x, SyncML on n900 ? | 18:51 |
| luke-jr | SinofEnvy: by hand | 18:51 |
| ale-x | no there? | 18:51 |
| SinofEnvy | luke-jr, lolz... I'd rather not, but if there's no other way xP | 18:51 |
| yabo | ale-x, no | 18:51 |
| SinofEnvy | nuevasync, I'll have a look. thanks valdyn | 18:51 |
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| AbstractW | SinofEnvy: Use outlook | 18:52 |
| SinofEnvy | oh that's actually a good idea. | 18:52 |
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| rabbitear | the damn console here takes my keyboard away from me from time to time... don't know what that is yet | 18:53 |
| rabbitear | sucks. | 18:53 |
| Scummer | ? | 18:53 |
| ale-x | yabo: but there is syncevolution, right? | 18:53 |
| rabbitear | I can't type in the console sometimes -- every once in a while, its just archlinux | 18:53 |
| Scummer | odd | 18:53 |
| rabbitear | no idea - no biggie | 18:54 |
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| yabo | ale-x, don't know | 18:54 |
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| rabbitear | fvwm runs pretty strong (always use that for years cuz it works) but I think it might be this gnome notification thing... | 18:55 |
| rabbitear | oh well. | 18:55 |
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| yabo | ale-x, apt-cache search says no | 18:55 |
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| ale-x | yabo: hmm, I was just thinking, that because it's available in Debian, it's there for maemo as well | 18:56 |
| ale-x | yabo: should not be too hard (at least for the command-line app) to port it to n900 | 18:56 |
| ale-x | latest syncevolution release does even have a gtk ui I was told | 18:56 |
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| paravoid | hi | 18:57 |
| yabo | ale-x, yep, but it would be better if SyncML was flawlessly integrated in the phone | 18:57 |
| yabo | seems a pretty basic need... | 18:57 |
| paravoid | I'm trying to create my own layout (for Greek) | 18:57 |
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| paravoid | for the hardware keyboard of my N900 | 18:57 |
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| paravoid | problem is, I need to have level 5-8 and use Ctrl+Space for change | 18:58 |
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| ale-x | yabo: you are right. if I was able to run my SDK here I'd start to try to port to | 18:58 |
| paravoid | now, I see that with Russian Ctrl+Space changes language and the message "Keyboard layout switched" is displayed, while e.g. with English, Ctrl+Space results in "Input language switched" | 18:58 |
| paravoid | the latter changing only the virtual keyboard's layout | 18:58 |
| paravoid | any idea why there's that difference and how can I override it? | 18:58 |
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| AbstractW | I just want a dvorak keyboard on my N900 | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Is htere a nice way to have a refreshed picture URL on my desktop? | 19:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | I want http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/meteogram.png - forex - updated every 3 hoursish | 19:01 |
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| yabo | SpeedEvil, isn't there a command line tool to change the background ? | 19:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm | 19:04 |
| yabo | that could be called by a crontab event :p | 19:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I've been trying to avoid doing stuff my normal way for some reason. | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Which would probably involve awk. | 19:05 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, i cant paste multiple lines from browser to xchat on n900 | 19:10 |
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| AbstractW | sniff the clipboard, see if its chopping your CR/LFs | 19:14 |
| AbstractW | Or, xchat is stripping those. | 19:14 |
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| ShadowJK | browser -> notes is fine | 19:16 |
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| siriusnova | ok so | 19:16 |
| siriusnova | im about to enable extra-devel | 19:16 |
| * siriusnova crosses his fingers | 19:16 | |
| johnq | Hi! Is it possbile to automatically execute "ifup usb0" on the N900 once the "PC Suite mode" is selected after connecting the usb cable? | 19:16 |
| woglinde | lol | 19:16 |
| woglinde | johnq hm | 19:17 |
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| woglinde | johnq you could try to run ifpludg | 19:17 |
| woglinde | args ifplugd | 19:17 |
| woglinde | dont if it is packages yet | 19:17 |
| woglinde | but debian package should work out of the box | 19:17 |
| user_ | hi, anyone with an N900 here right now? could you tell methe browser's useragent? (or alternatively just click http://whatsmyuseragent.com/) | 19:18 |
| Xisdibik | siriusnova: good luck | 19:18 |
| siriusnova | lol | 19:18 |
| siriusnova | what does that mean | 19:18 |
| siriusnova | :P | 19:18 |
| siriusnova | should i not do this | 19:18 |
| siriusnova | i really dont want to brick my N900 | 19:18 |
| Xisdibik | it means, you might need to reflash your phone if you do something wrong ;) | 19:18 |
| siriusnova | :< | 19:18 |
| Xisdibik | now having said this | 19:19 |
| user_ | if you're in doubt, that probably means you shouldn't be doing that :P | 19:19 |
| Xisdibik | i have extras-devel enabled | 19:19 |
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| mgedmin | which is technically abusing the term "brick" | 19:19 |
| jkimball4 | not term abuse again | 19:19 |
| johnq | woglinde: I assume that this is a very common problem, I don't want to fire up a terminal on the device when connecting it via usb. So if there is no general solution I'll search for one and update the wiki. | 19:19 |
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| user_ | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv7l; fi-FI; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090928 Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.4.1.21 RX-51 N900 | 19:20 |
| user_ | thanks, whoever clicked that! | 19:20 |
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| siriusnova | lol i see dosbox in extras-devel | 19:20 |
| siriusnova | how does it run? | 19:20 |
| siriusnova | on a 600MHZ Arm | 19:20 |
| paroneayea | I keep trying to add extras-testing to my device | 19:20 |
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| Xisdibik | it has some issues at the moment | 19:20 |
| paroneayea | and I keep getting "failed to refresh" | 19:20 |
| Xisdibik | not related to performance | 19:20 |
| odin_ | Ive lost a lot of my home screen stuff (I rebooted earliar and only just noticed its not come back) | 19:20 |
| odin_ | stuff like facebook widget, wireless lan IP, GPRS tx/rx counters, "messages" window | 19:21 |
| woglinde | johnq running ifplugd is a common solution | 19:21 |
| SinofEnvy | quick question.. I updated my .sounds directory but my N900 isnt recognizing any music files, so I googled and came across "Run tracker-processes -r as user in an xterm." | 19:21 |
| SinofEnvy | I tried this, but it says permission denied.. | 19:21 |
| johnq | woglinde: ok, thanks | 19:21 |
| Xisdibik | SinofEnvy: are you still connected to the PC | 19:21 |
| Xisdibik | with the USB | 19:21 |
| SinofEnvy | :x | 19:22 |
| SinofEnvy | yes | 19:22 |
| Xisdibik | unplug | 19:22 |
| Xisdibik | :P | 19:22 |
| Xisdibik | then it should update | 19:22 |
| pupnik | looks like i fixed my performance issues with tracker :) | 19:22 |
| Xisdibik | (give it a minute or so after u open the media player | 19:22 |
| woglinde | johnq hm when remeber correctly ifupdown has a auto mechanismus too, but ifplugd works better for me | 19:22 |
| * pupnik dances | 19:22 | |
| SinofEnvy | says the same thing, Xisdibik | 19:22 |
| Xisdibik | dont try the command | 19:22 |
| Xisdibik | just open media player | 19:22 |
| SinofEnvy | should I just run as root? | 19:22 |
| SinofEnvy | hmm ok | 19:23 |
| Xisdibik | after u unplugged tho | 19:23 |
| Xisdibik | :) | 19:23 |
| odin_ | its letting me re-add them... but application makes "widgets" work on home screen? | 19:23 |
| SinofEnvy | ah | 19:23 |
| SinofEnvy | yeah cheers mate | 19:23 |
| SinofEnvy | :> | 19:23 |
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| Xisdibik | if your in mass storage mode or PC Suite mode with the USB cable | 19:23 |
| johnq | woglinde: I do not completely understand the mechanism behind this dialog window: the usb0 device is available before selecting "PC Suite" on the device, right? | 19:23 |
| Xisdibik | it unmounts the drive and mounts it in the desktop | 19:23 |
| woglinde | johnq no | 19:24 |
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| johnq | woglinde: ah ok, so I got that wrong | 19:24 |
| woglinde | ifplugd runs on known or not yet know devices | 19:24 |
| woglinde | usb can eithet net or console | 19:24 |
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| woglinde | udev tries to figure out whats right | 19:24 |
| SinofEnvy | okay, so next question.. how do I remove the "Getting started" thingy at the bottom of my screen? :p | 19:25 |
| Scummer | sitting in a vendor presentation is so much more bearable with a new toy :) | 19:25 |
| woglinde | sinofenv its an apllet | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | tap empty space on desktop, icon of gear pops up | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | press the gear, then tap titlebar menu | 19:25 |
| woglinde | sinofenv somewher you can configure which appletts are shown on homescren | 19:25 |
| SinofEnvy | ah yeah | 19:25 |
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| SinofEnvy | I see. I got it. | 19:25 |
| woglinde | cool | 19:25 |
| SinofEnvy | I should try before asking ;P | 19:26 |
| SinofEnvy | I could've easily figured that one out hahab | 19:26 |
| SinofEnvy | but thanks | 19:26 |
| woglinde | urgs | 19:26 |
| woglinde | Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break. | 19:26 |
| yabo | Am I the only one who has trouble with the little support beside the phone ? I wish it was larger... When I need to cick on the top right corner the phone tips over | 19:27 |
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| odin_ | the widgets that disappeared were, "Personal Data Plan Monitor", "Personal IP Address", "facebook", "Converstations Inbox", "Forceca Weather", however when I load them back (by adding them again, they each appear in the correct desktop place) | 19:28 |
| _berto_ | hildon-desktop running on Ubuntu Karmic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0-KQ6wPJ04 | 19:28 |
| flux | yabo, definitely. I think it's mostly for fairs or something, so they can hold the device in upright position.. | 19:28 |
| SinofEnvy | actually, if I recall correctly it was for watching movies etc... | 19:29 |
| SinofEnvy | not so much a stand to actually USE the phone. just to position it so you can watch/look at it (so yeah I guess fairs as well) | 19:29 |
| yabo | too bad, it's very useful for working with the phone on a table too... | 19:29 |
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| paroneayea | I thought I followed the instructions for adding the extras-testing repository, but I keep getting: | 19:30 |
| paroneayea | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/freemantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages | 19:30 |
| siriusnova | its fremantle | 19:31 |
| siriusnova | not freemantle | 19:31 |
| siriusnova | i made the same mistake | 19:31 |
| siriusnova | :P | 19:31 |
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| mgedmin | at least it's easier to spell than scirrocco[sp?] | 19:32 |
| pupnik | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free | 19:32 |
| pupnik | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle free non-free | 19:32 |
| paroneayea | ahhh | 19:32 |
| paroneayea | heh | 19:32 |
| paroneayea | fremantle. gotcha. | 19:32 |
| siriusnova | man there are a lot of libs in extras-devel | 19:32 |
| siriusnova | browsing through them is slooow | 19:32 |
| siriusnova | anyone try the openvpn app in testing? | 19:33 |
| pupnik | kinetic scrolling widget is only good up to a couple hundred entries imo | 19:33 |
| siriusnova | does it work | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | pupnik, you don't say! | 19:33 |
| pupnik | what is the solution for longer lists mgedmin | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | ever tried to scroll to the bottom of a large html page (like the irc logs of this particular channel)? | 19:33 |
| pupnik | how about a-z categories | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | it's pure hell | 19:33 |
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| yabo | siriusnova, use apt-* :) | 19:33 |
| pupnik | well the browser lets me scroll ahead of its rendering, which is very nice | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | except you don't know when to stop scrolling | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | you have to pause every so often to let it catch up | 19:34 |
| siriusnova | well atm im browsing through http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/?org_openpsa_qbpager_packages_in_repo_page=18 | 19:34 |
| siriusnova | and i think maemo.org is lagging | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | it's EVIL: even if you're holding your finger and NOT scrolling, it won't redraw | 19:34 |
| siriusnova | the webserver is taking ages to refresh new pages | 19:34 |
| siriusnova | :P | 19:34 |
| siriusnova | are you guys running this on a N900? | 19:34 |
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| pupnik | mgedmin: there's really no choice, from a marketing perspective. Scrollbars look old. | 19:34 |
| pupnik | how about an invisible scrollbar on right side? | 19:35 |
| pupnik | tap at 50% of vertical space to skip to 50% of webpage | 19:35 |
| pupnik | ? | 19:35 |
| yabo | pupnik, it would have been great that the scroll bars that are actually displayed when you scroll were functionnal | 19:36 |
| yabo | it's soooo much useful to scroll on long lists or to go directly to a known spot | 19:36 |
| johnq | is there a squashfs module for the official n900 kernel? if not, can I compile only the module and link it into the running kernel? | 19:36 |
| pupnik | well, that is true | 19:36 |
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| mgedmin | for ordered lists, typeahead-search would work (think app manager with lots of apps) | 19:37 |
| lardman|home | reboot time | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | for web pages, I'm lost | 19:37 |
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| mgedmin | unlimited zoom-out maybe? | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | as a multiplier for your scrolls | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | currently the zoom-out stops at 80% or something like that | 19:37 |
| yabo | sure about that ? | 19:37 |
| siriusnova | cold pizza ftw | 19:38 |
| siriusnova | :> | 19:38 |
| yabo | mgedmin, indeed | 19:38 |
| red | you guys got the circular motion zooming working | 19:38 |
| red | for me trying to clockwise/counter move my finger on the screen just wiggles the webpage | 19:38 |
| siriusnova | works for me | 19:38 |
| yabo | red, yes, I find it quite nice | 19:38 |
| siriusnova | i use a stylus | 19:38 |
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| red | i miss two-finger style | 19:38 |
| red | guess i should try if i can get it to work with stylus | 19:39 |
| red | <- butterfingers | 19:39 |
| yabo | i have both working | 19:39 |
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| newday | anybody experiencing random reboots of the device ?? | 19:39 |
| melmoth | newday: i think i saw a thread with this subject on internettablettalk.com/forums | 19:40 |
| paroneayea | yesss | 19:40 |
| yabo | but what's bad with the zoom is that it doesn't refresh the page so that if you're at the max zoom out level and that you go to the max zoom in everything is pixellised and you have to wait a second so it is refreshed | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | the browser is not as fast as I'd like it to be yes | 19:41 |
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| newday | this reboot problem is on bugzilla https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 but no solution found yet :( | 19:41 |
| povbot | Bug 6334: random reboots | 19:41 |
| adeus | I wonder if they set the "random boots" off on the final flash image :) | 19:42 |
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| melmoth | anybody kows how to enable CAL_DEBUG_LOG calls in the calendar_backend thingy ? | 19:45 |
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| lardman|home | re | 19:46 |
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| woglinde | gogo lardman | 19:46 |
| lardman|home | hi woglinde | 19:47 |
| woglinde | ~lart garage | 19:47 |
| * infobot makes a balloon animal out of garage | 19:47 | |
| lardman|home | :) | 19:47 |
| Stargazers | I accidentally a whole file system. Is that bad? | 19:47 |
| lardman|home | accidentally what? | 19:48 |
| pupnik | and a verb too | 19:48 |
| yabo | Stargazers, a verb is missing :) | 19:48 |
| Stargazers | A file system | 19:48 |
| yabo | That's not a word, same player plays again | 19:48 |
| lardman|home | implicit "am"? | 19:48 |
| yabo | (s/word/verb) | 19:48 |
| lardman|home | [I *am* accidentally a whole file system. Is that bad?] ? | 19:48 |
| yabo | :D | 19:49 |
| * lardman|home thinks the verb to "rm -rf" is more likely | 19:49 | |
| yabo | how do you rm -rf a file system ? | 19:49 |
| yabo | :) | 19:49 |
| Stargazers | lol just wanted to test if people here read 4chan :D | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | yabo: "cd / && rm -rf" ?? | 19:50 |
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| mgedmin | Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out, Stargazers! | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | even better with fdisk mind you | 19:50 |
| woglinde | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/moo | 19:50 |
| yabo | lardman, thecnically speaking you're not removing the file system but the files stored in it | 19:50 |
| Stargazers | mgedmin: :) | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | mgedmin: I can't talk though, I'm English and I manage to mistype all the time ;) | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | the dd will remove the filesystem | 19:51 |
| yabo | mgedmin, agree | 19:51 |
| lardman|home | yabo: hmm, ok, I'll go one better then with dd ;) | 19:51 |
| Stargazers | dd rocks | 19:51 |
| woglinde | mgedmin who cares | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | leaving just the empty husk of a partition behind it, assuming the filesystem was inside the partition | 19:51 |
| yabo | dd if=/dev/random is funnied though | 19:51 |
| * mgedmin has extra skillz in pedantry | 19:51 | |
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| woglinde | yabo hm only when you have fast entropie | 19:52 |
| woglinde | so urandom is better | 19:52 |
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| Dr_Cain | err.. quick question | 19:52 |
| Dr_Cain | How do i get the ALT key in xterm? | 19:52 |
| yabo | woglinde, you don't want the FBI/CIA/NSA to be able to recover your data, which would happen by using a weaker random generator. | 19:53 |
| Laiska | heh | 19:53 |
| yabo | :) | 19:53 |
| Laiska | Dr_Cain: i was juat about to ask the same thing :) | 19:53 |
| lardman|home | Dr_Cain: what for? | 19:53 |
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| Dr_Cain | ... | 19:53 |
| Laiska | alt+a e.g. | 19:53 |
| Laiska | for irssi | 19:53 |
| Dr_Cain | it's there on a normal keyboard, I would like to use it on my n900 too :P | 19:53 |
| Dr_Cain | yeah | 19:53 |
| Laiska | would be useful | 19:53 |
| Dr_Cain | though, in irssi you can do esc+fn+number | 19:54 |
| lardman|home | not sure you can actually | 19:54 |
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| Dr_Cain | hmm | 19:54 |
| Dr_Cain | so no meta key? :| | 19:54 |
| lardman|home | though I'm non-authoritative | 19:54 |
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| yabo | I miss the '~' key on the keyboard | 19:54 |
| lardman|home | there may be a way | 19:54 |
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| woglinde | yabo he even water cannt destroy the n900 | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | Dr_Cain, for xterm apps, esc followed by a key is the same as alt+key | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | at least for keys that are alphanumeric | 19:55 |
| Stargazers | yabo: You mean sepparated key for that? | 19:55 |
| siriusnova | man | 19:55 |
| Dr_Cain | right | 19:55 |
| lardman|home | thanks mgedmin | 19:55 |
| siriusnova | this Nokia N900 is so much more open then google or i[phone | 19:55 |
| yabo | Stargazers, no, just the '~' to be somewhere on the keyboard | 19:55 |
| siriusnova | xchat and irssi + openssh = win | 19:55 |
| siriusnova | :D | 19:55 |
| lardman|home | :) | 19:55 |
| Dr_Cain | :) | 19:55 |
| woglinde | iphone is nothing open | 19:56 |
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| Stargazers | yabo: blue key above shift and ctrl/sym and then select that? | 19:56 |
| Laiska | yabo: well you can find the tilde under Sym so I dont think its a problem | 19:56 |
| yabo | yes I know about the Sym table, but I'm using it very often when in a shell | 19:57 |
| yabo | so its quite painful | 19:57 |
| VDVsx | iPhone is soooo close that you can't even remove the battery :P | 19:57 |
| Stargazers | yabo: well that I meant when said separated key, uhm | 19:58 |
| AbstractW | I'm really put off by the no multi-touch. | 19:58 |
| AbstractW | When will apple's patent run out? :P | 19:58 |
| yabo | Stargazers, oh ok | 19:58 |
| range | What do you need multitouch for? | 19:58 |
| AbstractW | You don't 'need' multitouch for anything. | 19:58 |
| AbstractW | its just nice. | 19:58 |
| Stargazers | yabo: I said it little bit strangely :P | 19:58 |
| range | I'd really like to know that - all the iPhone people I know use double taps for zooming. | 19:58 |
| yabo | Stargazers, yes, I thought it was like adding a new key dedicated to it | 19:59 |
| AbstractW | I must be the only one who uses multi for zooming then. | 19:59 |
| range | AbstractW: Do I know you? >:) | 19:59 |
| yabo | Stargazers, but I recognize that the keyboard (azerty) is full so no space left for the ~ | 19:59 |
| AbstractW | :P | 19:59 |
| VDVsx | AbstractW, seems that maemo6 has multitouch | 19:59 |
| * mgedmin would happily trade the pound key for ~ | 19:59 | |
| VDVsx | *will have | 19:59 |
| Stargazers | yabo: Yeah | 19:59 |
| Stargazers | My bad | 19:59 |
| AbstractW | Then the N900 will not officially be supported by maemo 6 | 19:59 |
| AbstractW | without a cap touch screen. | 19:59 |
| range | Or Multitouch can be turned off in M6. | 20:00 |
| lardman|home | I asked about that | 20:00 |
| siriusnova | anyone try openvpn client | 20:00 |
| lardman|home | was told the multi-touch gesture layer would be an optional part of Qt | 20:00 |
| siriusnova | for Maemo 5? | 20:00 |
| nomis | uh, can one send an SMS with the N900 without creating a new contact for the target number? | 20:00 |
| VDVsx | AbstractW, you can still can use single touch in a multitouch device :) | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | nomis, I think so | 20:01 |
| AbstractW | True, I guess I've never known about double tap zin/zout on the iphone. | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | Conversations -> New SMS -> type something in the To field | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | haven't actually tried that | 20:01 |
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| nomis | mgedmin: oh right, thanks. I was looking in the telephone app. | 20:01 |
| yabo | is there any plan for support of an external keyboard via the usb port ? | 20:02 |
| siriusnova | oh well i guess ill be the guinea pig and try openvpn on my N900 | 20:02 |
| siriusnova | :X | 20:02 |
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| yabo | siriusnova, tell us how it performs :) | 20:02 |
| nomis | yabo: AFAIK that is not possible, since they don't have USB host in the N900. A bluetooth keyboard should work though. | 20:02 |
| yabo | nomis, ok thanks | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | people complain about the system not having a standard pc105 keymap | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | so bluetooth keyboards have many buttons simply not working | 20:03 |
| * mgedmin hasn't tried himself yet | 20:03 | |
| yabo | mgedmin, but that shouldn't be hard to add | 20:03 |
| Dr_Cain | install one then :) | 20:03 |
| * lardman|home wonders what's gone wrong so that his greyscale conversion spits out all zeros | 20:04 | |
| mgedmin | where do I report bugs about avahi-daemon? | 20:04 |
| yabo | but the usb keyboard could have been powered through the usb and that would have been kewl | 20:04 |
| AbstractW | nomis: Is the lack of the USB host a lack of hardware? Or is it just not implemented in software? | 20:04 |
| lardman|home | mgedmin: normal | 20:04 |
| nomis | AbstractW: AFAIK it is a hardware issue. | 20:04 |
| AbstractW | That would make more sense, as it'd be a trivial software thing. | 20:04 |
| VDVsx | yabo, mgedmin seems that the X guys will accept maemo changes upstream and then we can have the upstream package in maemo with the default kb layouts :) | 20:04 |
| AbstractW | Has there been any word from nokia about their Maemo 6 device? | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | lardman|home, 'normal' what? | 20:05 |
| yabo | VDVsx, ok | 20:05 |
| lardman|home | bugs.maemo.org | 20:06 |
| lardman|home | ? | 20:06 |
| lardman|home | normal way, sorry | 20:06 |
| paroneayea | hm | 20:06 |
| paroneayea | can't install maemo-optify | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | I looked once, couldn't find it | 20:06 |
| lardman|home | https://bugs.maemo.org/ | 20:07 |
| lardman|home | is there | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | avahi-daemon is in extras-devel | 20:07 |
| lardman|home | oh, I see | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Extras -> no avahi listed there | 20:07 |
| lardman|home | in which case probably email the package maintainer | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | Maintainer: Utopia Maintenance Team <pkg-utopia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> | 20:07 |
| lardman|home | I thought it was a standard package, sorry | 20:07 |
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| mgedmin | I doubt they were the ones who uploaded avahi to maemo extras | 20:07 |
| lardman|home | mgedmin: hmm | 20:08 |
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| lardman|home | mgedmin: in which case ping X-Fade to find out who uploaded it | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | so I'm grasping at straws and asking on irc | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | actually, why? | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | I could ask on the list | 20:08 |
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| VDVsx | mgedmin, I think you need a brainstorm for that :D | 20:08 |
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| mgedmin | or hijack the package and supply the missing /etc/event.d/ config file | 20:08 |
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| mgedmin | aha, debian/changelog tells me who uploaded it to maemo! | 20:09 |
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| mgedmin | for some reason I thought dpkg-buildpackage took the debian/changelog name + email and put it into the control file | 20:10 |
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| lardman|home | no, unfortunately not | 20:10 |
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| * mgedmin finds retribution messages of the form "I will now give my money to your competitor!" somewhat funny | 20:11 | |
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| cbrake | how does one install ssh on a N900? | 20:13 |
| lardman|home | openssh from the repo | 20:13 |
| Stargazers | cbrake: openssh in extras? | 20:13 |
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| cbrake | is browsing downloads.maemo.org that way that is done? | 20:14 |
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| lardman|home | Application Manager | 20:14 |
| divinegod | how much space is available for text messages? I've reached the limit I think. | 20:14 |
| divinegod | But deleting conversations didn't help | 20:14 |
| mgedmin | where are they stored? I'm curious | 20:14 |
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| divinegod | and it seems that I can't send or recieve tests now. | 20:14 |
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| xorAxAx | divinegod: 50 text messages in the default version, 200 messages in the premium version of the n900 | 20:14 |
| Stargazers | mgedmin: In sqlite3 | 20:15 |
| mgedmin | in $HOME? | 20:15 |
| xorAxAx | use grep :) | 20:15 |
| Stargazers | Under home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger | 20:15 |
| mgedmin | Ovi Store sells extra message store coupons for $1.05 | 20:15 |
| Stargazers | el.db | 20:15 |
| cbrake | got it, thanks. | 20:15 |
| xorAxAx | mgedmin: indeed | 20:15 |
| lardman|home | xorAxAx: rubbish | 20:15 |
| siriusnova | lol holy crap | 20:16 |
| Stargazers | siriusnova: ? | 20:16 |
| siriusnova | the openvpn applet requires like | 20:16 |
| siriusnova | 20MB of python libs | 20:16 |
| siriusnova | D: | 20:16 |
| mgedmin | yeah :/ | 20:16 |
| Stargazers | Yikes | 20:16 |
| xorAxAx | siriusnova: well, better than NIH | 20:16 |
| siriusnova | anyway | 20:16 |
| Stargazers | mgedmin: Did you found that db? | 20:16 |
| siriusnova | ill try it anyway | 20:16 |
| mgedmin | I love python, but I'm not convinced it's the best choice for a tablet | 20:16 |
| siriusnova | :/ | 20:17 |
| xorAxAx | mgedmin: why not? | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | Stargazers, no, I'm busy with something else | 20:17 |
| siriusnova | any reccomendations wether i should use dropbear or just regular openssh | 20:17 |
| lizardo | siriusnova: hopefully they are all going to /opt if you are using the optified version already :) | 20:17 |
| Stargazers | mgedmin: Ok :) | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | siriusnova, always used openssh, never had problems | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | never tried dropbear for that reason | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | I know my ~/.ssh/config syntax by heart | 20:17 |
| Stargazers | Ssh config file ftw | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | I should show you my ~/.profile hack that starts ssh-agent... | 20:18 |
| siriusnova | herm k installing the openvpn applet | 20:18 |
| siriusnova | time to set me up a new client key on my server | 20:18 |
| siriusnova | :P | 20:18 |
| Stargazers | mgedmin: where ssh-agent is used? | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | by ssh, to avoid asking my passphrase every time | 20:19 |
| t_s_o | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/12/poulsbo-mess-casts-a-shadow-on-intels-moblin-project.ars <- one more argument for the computing world to get of its x86 addiction? | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | you ssh-add once, enter the passphrase that protects your key, and that's it | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | anybody who steals your n900 can ssh anywhere as you until they reboot | 20:20 |
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| cehteh | does the n900 use pam for auth? | 20:20 |
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| Stargazers | mgedmin: Err I just use ssh-key | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | with no passphrase? | 20:20 |
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| * mgedmin wrote an upstart config file for avahi-daemon, but it didn't work :( | 20:20 | |
| Stargazers | yeah | 20:20 |
| cehteh | outch | 20:21 |
| Stargazers | I have passwd on machine surely | 20:21 |
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| mgedmin | so what, keys sidestep passwords | 20:21 |
| cehteh | that wont help | 20:21 |
| cehteh | you want a good passphrase for your ssh key | 20:21 |
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| Stargazers | No I dont | 20:21 |
| Stargazers | I use keys only trusted computers | 20:22 |
| mgedmin | hey, if the man leaves his house doors unlocked when he leaves on vacation, it's his choice | 20:22 |
| cehteh | actually i use pam_ssh on my laptop, that means i login with my ssh-passphrase and it starts a ssh agent automatically | 20:22 |
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| Stargazers | mgedmin: Well I lock my pc | 20:22 |
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| cehteh | Stargazers: without a passphrase on a ssh key anyone can use it who gets access to it .. as in stealing it | 20:23 |
| yabo | Stargazers, I can read directly your hardrive and therefore your key... | 20:23 |
| Stargazers | I know | 20:23 |
| cehteh | and the normal 'login' password doesnt help | 20:23 |
| Stargazers | yabo: well yeah but sometimes my hard drive is crypted. | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | technically, anybody with sufficient access to read his hard disk can install a keylogger and capture his password | 20:23 |
| Stargazers | I know that | 20:23 |
| cehteh | 'sometimes' :) | 20:24 |
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| Stargazers | cehteh: well on llast installation | 20:24 |
| cehteh | my harddrive is always crypted :P | 20:24 |
| Stargazers | atm nit | 20:24 |
| Stargazers | atm not | 20:24 |
| adeus | that gets you nowhere if the comp is corked while running | 20:24 |
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| Stargazers | adeus: yep | 20:24 |
| yabo | Stargazers, but that means that by breaking one encryption our finding one hard drive not encrypted breaks all your security | 20:24 |
| yabo | why bother with security then ? | 20:25 |
| * cehteh still wonders how to protect a n900 in a good way | 20:25 | |
| adeus | a ton of cement | 20:25 |
| Stargazers | Well I do not generate keys everywhere... | 20:25 |
| Stargazers | Of course someone can steal my pc and take its hd and so on | 20:26 |
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| Stargazers | But what he gets? My irssi account to hack, lol | 20:27 |
| cehteh | serious .. i dont know yet how auth works there, just entering the pin? does it use pam? | 20:27 |
| adeus | hey, like google said, only criminals have something to hide :P | 20:27 |
| Stargazers | I have my personal stuff gpg crypted | 20:27 |
| adeus | is there any good gpg apps for n900? | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | wait, what? I reboot my n900 and it connects to 3g instead of my wlan! | 20:27 |
| adeus | as in password safe | 20:27 |
| yabo | have to go, see you folks | 20:27 |
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| cehteh | adeus: gpg is there isnt it? | 20:28 |
| mgedmin | explains why I can't see avahi running | 20:28 |
| Stargazers | I am too paranoid to save images on servers what I dont maintance myself | 20:28 |
| adeus | yes but as in a gui app | 20:28 |
| cehteh | dunno | 20:28 |
| Stargazers | But now gotta go o/ | 20:28 |
| adeus | the Handy Safe that I have now on my 5800 needs a replacement | 20:28 |
| mgedmin | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111................. | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break. | 20:29 |
| pupnik | cehteh: glass display case on the shelf, and synergy | 20:29 |
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| cehteh | pupnik: well serious | 20:29 |
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| cehteh | with my laptop i have a fingerprint scanner which is fun for unlocking things (but not for login) | 20:30 |
| pupnik | i use an old cellphone case and the maemo neckband | 20:30 |
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| cehteh | means you dont have to enter passwords in public places | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | command-line pwsafe rules, well, doesn't | 20:31 |
| mgedmin | but at least it keeps the passwords invisible | 20:31 |
| cehteh | for a n900 it would be a bit inconvinient to enter a password frequently | 20:31 |
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| adeus | the fingerprint thing is rather unsafe | 20:32 |
| cehteh | well .. ok for me | 20:32 |
| cehteh | i dont use it for unlocking the harddisk or for login | 20:32 |
| cehteh | its not *that* easy to cheat | 20:32 |
| cehteh | at least a password is easier to spy | 20:33 |
| Lupu | That's why you use password-protected SSH keys. | 20:33 |
| cehteh | eh? | 20:33 |
| Lupu | Neither the key nor password alone will gain access. :) | 20:33 |
| Lupu | (for typing in public places, that is) | 20:34 |
| cehteh | hey btw .. by config error i did (1.5 years ago when i setup this laptop) root login over ssh requires a fingerprint swipe .. i like that :P try to remote root login on my laptop haha | 20:35 |
| cehteh | Lupu: i am first talking about local login on the device (laptop, n900 whatever) | 20:35 |
| dolphin | fingerprint scanners are "myth busted" | 20:35 |
| cehteh | dolphin: passwords too | 20:36 |
| zerojay | Quim apparently finds it more important to jump up and say that my package has blockers (which it doesn't) than it is to respond to my e-mail about my busted N900. Awesome. | 20:36 |
| dolphin | nobody ever claimed passwords to be safe | 20:36 |
| SpeedEvil | busted? | 20:36 |
| cehteh | dolphin: so what are the alternatives? | 20:37 |
| dolphin | subconscious memory | 20:37 |
| zerojay | SpeedEvil: Yes. | 20:37 |
| cehteh | cant anyone be serious? | 20:37 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: in what manner/ | 20:37 |
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| zerojay | SpeedEvil: Micro USB port broke. | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: oh - that - sorry - forgot. | 20:38 |
| zerojay | I sent an e-mail a week or so ago... still no response... but yet, he's all over a complaint that my plugin isn't optified, which is bullshit. | 20:38 |
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| mgedmin | halp! anybody understands upstart? | 20:38 |
| woglinde | mgedmin sure | 20:38 |
| woglinde | read the doku | 20:39 |
| woglinde | mgedmin or whats your problem? | 20:39 |
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| mgedmin | woglinde, I'm trying to get avahi-daemon to start up | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | it won't | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | if I sudo start avahi-daemon it does | 20:39 |
| woglinde | hm why someone want avahid | 20:39 |
| woglinde | its the second I delete after networkmanager | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | my upstart job has 'start on stopped rcS' just like the sshd job, which comes up fine | 20:40 |
| fnordianslip | i find avahi useful | 20:40 |
| pupnik | thanks for your work woglinde | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | woglinde, 'ssh mg-n900.local' in *any* WLAN *anywhere* rules | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | no typing of IP addresses of asking admins to configure dhcp/dns | 20:40 |
| woglinde | pupnik qtnx again? | 20:40 |
| woglinde | pupnik I will try fremantle stuff this weekend | 20:41 |
| woglinde | and we have a n900 at work now | 20:41 |
| pupnik | it is just beautifully fast | 20:41 |
| pupnik | great! | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | woglinde, here's my attempt, next to a working sshd config: http://pastie.org/739340 | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | note that -D for sshd means "don't daemonize", while -D for avahi-daemon means the opposite | 20:41 |
| woglinde | mgedmin no erroer output? | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | where? | 20:42 |
| woglinde | syslog? | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | maybe I should install syslog | 20:42 |
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| woglinde | hm try logread | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | point is, 'sudo start avahi' works... hey, maybe avahi ought to wait for some other service, like dbus | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | thanks for the idea! | 20:43 |
| woglinde | hm yes | 20:43 |
| ifreq | why would anyone really run sshd on phone? | 20:43 |
| ifreq | just a thought. | 20:43 |
| woglinde | iefq sure | 20:43 |
| Mousey | you can't think of a reason?! | 20:43 |
| SinofEnvy | Is there a N900 compatible PC suite? :/ or is there another possibility to sync Outlook with my n900? | 20:44 |
| Mousey | fish:// that's why! | 20:44 |
| fnordianslip | hmm. shouldn't avahi-daaemon (re)start when a network interface comes up? | 20:44 |
| SinofEnvy | when downloading the PC suite on the nokia site it says the n900 is incompatible | 20:44 |
| ifreq | Mousey: nope, nothing else than insecure access for hacker | 20:44 |
| woglinde | openssh was the first package my coworker installed on n900 | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | ifreq, file transfer | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | sshfs or scp -- no cables! | 20:44 |
| ifreq | mgedmin: what about usb storage | 20:44 |
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| woglinde | ifreq type passwd | 20:44 |
| * Mousey huggles sshfs | 20:44 | |
| mgedmin | cables are for hobos | 20:44 |
| Mousey | and security freaks | 20:44 |
| ifreq | so rather open service against internet | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | the bottleneck is eMMC write throughput anyway | 20:44 |
| ifreq | on a mobile phone | 20:45 |
| ifreq | ok nvm. | 20:45 |
| Mousey | yes | 20:45 |
| ifreq | dont wanna start wars ;) | 20:45 |
| Mousey | to get all the music/pictures on/off | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | hey, let the internet crack my SSH key if they want to | 20:45 |
| woglinde | ifreq try read about simtoolkit and you will never use a cellphone anymore | 20:45 |
| Mousey | just install denyhosts | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | although lack of a maemo security team providing openssh security updates is maybe a bit worrying :/ | 20:45 |
| Mousey | or don't listen on 22 | 20:45 |
| Mousey | or don't listen on the cel radio | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | I suppose I could configure sshd to only listen on wlan, maybe | 20:46 |
| woglinde | mgedmin jupp | 20:46 |
| woglinde | Listen | 20:46 |
| ifreq | well happily i dont need to move files 24/7 to phone | 20:46 |
| woglinde | option | 20:46 |
| woglinde | in sshd_config | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | it wants a network address, not interface name, doesn't it? | 20:46 |
| woglinde | ifreq by the way google g1 has only telnet as default | 20:46 |
| woglinde | hm | 20:47 |
| woglinde | let me check the doku | 20:47 |
| ifreq | woglinde: i dont care about sharing my phone against internet access | 20:47 |
| * mgedmin loved that "everything you type is entered into a root shell" bug of android | 20:47 | |
| odin_ | SinofEnvy, I am using Nokia PC connectivity v7.1.40.1 | 20:47 |
| ifreq | so no telnet no ssh., ive got sshd on servers. | 20:47 |
| ifreq | but eof with this discussion, was just wondering. | 20:47 |
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| woglinde | mgedmin hm only adresses | 20:48 |
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| ifreq | woglinde: yeh well it can listen on WIFI LAN | 20:48 |
| jaem_n810 | morning | 20:48 |
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| mgedmin | woohoo it worked! | 20:49 |
| woglinde | mgedmin cool | 20:49 |
| * mgedmin is building a fixed avahi-daemon package now in scratchbox | 20:50 | |
| woglinde | mgedmin what was it? | 20:50 |
| * GAN900 wonders why there are so mant Maseratis in Florida. | 20:50 | |
| woglinde | mgedmin build a sreadahead | 20:50 |
| GAN900 | s/mant/many/ | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | "start on stopped rcS" instead of "start on started dbus" | 20:50 |
| lopz | Someone has the application "motion" running on a n800? | 20:50 |
| woglinde | mgedmin hihi | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | nah, next goal is probably an upstart script for screen to mkdir /var/run/screen | 20:50 |
| woglinde | mgedmin and dbus depends on udev right? | 20:50 |
| ifreq | is there a spotify client out yet? | 20:51 |
| zemm | ifreq: is there even alternative for ssh to directly modify files on the phone (mass storage mode + unmounts = no) ? :) | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | dbus has start on USER | 20:51 |
| ifreq | and hows the status with openvpn, no gui yet? | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | zemm, samba? | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | nfs? | 20:52 |
| ifreq | zemm: i use usb mass storage so no worries :) | 20:52 |
| ifreq | sued to have sshfs for various of things, but really no need :) | 20:52 |
| zemm | well that would result countless plug/unplugs | 20:52 |
| GAN900 | paroneayea, you can just leave the dist field blank. | 20:52 |
| GAN900 | It'll autofill the appropriate thing. | 20:52 |
| ifreq | asi only transfer music and movies (rsync +mount) | 20:52 |
| jaem_n810 | ifreq, is sshfs available yet? | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | also, zemm, you can't edit stuff like /etc/event.d/avahi-daemon over mass storage | 20:52 |
| ifreq | jaem_n810: sshfs is availabe to any system which has sshd | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | and I'd rather do that with a real laptop keyboard | 20:53 |
| zemm | that too | 20:53 |
| ifreq | jaem_n810: well not on maemo client i guess | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | anybody know when the garage maintenance break will be over? | 20:53 |
| zemm | mgedmin: is there samba available somewhere? | 20:53 |
| jaem_n810 | ifreq, I was meaning "is it in a fremantle repo" | 20:53 |
| jaem_n810 | I thought I heard something about someone working on it... | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | zemm, dunno, it never interested me | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | I think I remember people building it for the 770 | 20:53 |
| ifreq | jaem_n810: yeh i dunno. | 20:54 |
| jaem_n810 | gui installer for the SDK? bah! | 20:55 |
| jaem_n810 | ;) | 20:55 |
| siriusnova | well | 20:55 |
| siriusnova | guyz | 20:55 |
| * jaem_n810 is installing sbox in easy-debian | 20:55 | |
| siriusnova | I can verify for you that the openvpn app and applet works just dandy | 20:55 |
| siriusnova | :D | 20:55 |
| siriusnova | in extras-devel and testing | 20:55 |
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| ifreq | siriusnova: yeh i saw the vpn app, wheres the applet? | 20:55 |
| ifreq | ah or is the applet on devel (not using it yet) | 20:56 |
| siriusnova | ifreq - apparently you have to install openvpn-applet | 20:56 |
| siriusnova | the openvpn in devel works | 20:56 |
| ifreq | okay, im a bit too scared to install dev repo | 20:56 |
| siriusnova | the one in testing doesnt | 20:56 |
| ifreq | openvpn is on extras-testing imo | 20:56 |
| ifreq | aha | 20:56 |
| ifreq | damn it | 20:56 |
| ifreq | im forced to install it then :) | 20:56 |
| siriusnova | also openvpn-applet doesnt show up in the app catalog | 20:56 |
| siriusnova | you have to apt-get it | 20:56 |
| jaem_n810 | ifreq don't be scared - reflashing is fun! :D | 20:56 |
| johnq | I'm trying to compile some backport of the squashfs v4 kernel module. Compilation goes fine, but modprobe tells me "Invalid module format" and dmesg says "no symbol version for struct_module". Any idea? | 20:56 |
| ifreq | hrr :) well it isnt! | 20:56 |
| siriusnova | reboot your device and it shows up at the top | 20:56 |
| siriusnova | it works just fine | 20:56 |
| ifreq | thanks man | 20:56 |
| siriusnova | it install 20MB of python crap though | 20:56 |
| siriusnova | :/ | 20:57 |
| siriusnova | *installs | 20:57 |
| woglinde | he | 20:57 |
| woglinde | python | 20:57 |
| woglinde | isnt crap | 20:57 |
| ifreq | siriusnova: so you have all the repos enabled? | 20:57 |
| siriusnova | yes | 20:57 |
| ifreq | okay and still ircing, cant be so bad then | 20:57 |
| ifreq | *g* | 20:57 |
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| woglinde | johnq hm yes you have other header/config for the running kernel | 20:58 |
| jaem_n810 | hrm... where does easy-debian on the N900 mount the image to? | 20:58 |
| jaem_n810 | oops... nvm | 20:59 |
| johnq | woglinde: where do I get the correct config? I followed the instructions in http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Kernel_Guide | 20:59 |
| woglinde | johnq try with header-kernel-package which match your running kernel | 20:59 |
| woglinde | or install the kernel you compiled | 20:59 |
| woglinde | johnq sorry | 20:59 |
| johnq | and used apt-get source kernel in the scratchbox. | 21:00 |
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| woglinde | johnq hm cannt you overwrite actual kernel? | 21:00 |
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| _claesbas | I am looking for a thread on talk.maemo.org which shows different countries keyboard layouts on the n900.. I can't find it while searching.. | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | johnq, does the kernel version match? | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | are you using the official production firmware? | 21:02 |
| _claesbas | doe anyone here master the serach funktion there? | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | did you run fakeroot apt-get update in your scratchbox recently? | 21:02 |
| _claesbas | bit scared someone will kill me if I ask for it | 21:03 |
| _claesbas | on talk | 21:03 |
| jaem_n810 | _claesbas Google site:talk.maemo.org ? | 21:03 |
| johnq | I hope I don't have to overwrite the current kernel | 21:03 |
| jaem_n810 | t.m.o. search is pretty good, but sometimes El Goog is easier | 21:03 |
| johnq | the kernel on the device is 2.6.28-omap1 (factory kernel) | 21:03 |
| jaem_n810 | _claesbas, also, we're nice here :) - if you've already tried to find something, we won't bite your head off for asking for help | 21:04 |
| johnq | mgedmin: I think I ran it shortly before downloading the kernel source | 21:05 |
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| mgedmin | johnq, check with apt-cache policy kernel | 21:05 |
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| mgedmin | 2.6.28-20094102.3+0m5 is the kernel available in the SDK (the recently announced 1st update) | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | dunno what's on the production firmware | 21:06 |
| _claesbas | jaem_n810, ok, I will do some more searching and if I not lucky I ask for it.. | 21:06 |
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| mgedmin | my Amsterdam device has 2.6.28-20094102+0m5 | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | the original SDK release had 2.6.28-20093908+0m5 | 21:06 |
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| mgedmin | the original SDK kernel + amsterdam device = version mismatch errors or (if you strip versions) kernel panics and reboots | 21:07 |
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| johnq | linux-kernel-headers is ...908+0m5, but it seems there is no package kernel (only a source package with that name) | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | that was when I was trying to build iptables.ko | 21:07 |
| johnq | where can I get the actual version in the files (.ko and running kernel)? | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | xterm on your n900, apt-cache policy kernel | 21:07 |
| ifreq | how do i can see on app-manager from what repo im installing the current package? | 21:08 |
| johnq | ah sorry, of course ;-) | 21:08 |
| ifreq | ah nvm | 21:08 |
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| johnq | the version string is exactly the same as the one of the source .tar.gz | 21:08 |
| johnq | (...4102.3+0m5) | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | hm, bad | 21:09 |
| johnq | I suspect that I compiled the module incorrectly | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | I hope so | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | or we have a mismatch somewhere and nobody can compile modules for the official kernel :( | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | and that would mean no iptables for me :( | 21:09 |
| johnq | I patched the full kernel sources and did make EXTRAVERSION=-maemo2 modules | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | I think that's bunk | 21:10 |
| johnq | and then copied over the .ko file in fs/squashfs | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | the official kernel is built with EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 | 21:10 |
| johnq | hmm | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | I *think* | 21:10 |
| johnq | makes sense | 21:10 |
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| mgedmin | since that's what uname -a displays on my n900 | 21:10 |
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| johnq | right | 21:10 |
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| mgedmin | if you have success with kernel modules, please write to the list (or fix bugs in the wiki page)! | 21:11 |
| mgedmin | I have to go now | 21:11 |
| mgedmin | bye all! | 21:11 |
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| johnq | EXTRAVERSION=-maemo2 is mentioned on the wiki | 21:11 |
| johnq | but also -omap1 | 21:11 |
| ifreq | anyone has good top10 top25 apps sites? | 21:12 |
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| pupnik | debian.org | 21:13 |
| johnq | argh, still same error | 21:13 |
| ifreq | siriusnova: so applet should be shown after a reboot on top of screen allready? | 21:14 |
| siriusnova | ifreq | 21:14 |
| ifreq | ah nvm:)) | 21:15 |
| siriusnova | did you install openvpn and openvpn-applet? | 21:15 |
| ifreq | just too exited of it | 21:15 |
| ifreq | yeah | 21:15 |
| ifreq | np | 21:15 |
| ifreq | <-- blind by exitement | 21:15 |
| siriusnova | lol | 21:15 |
| johnsu01 | Heh, is it really necessary for Nokia to claim that the shell script installers for the SDK are proprietary software? | 21:15 |
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| johnq | i'm giving up for now | 21:16 |
| pupnik | what are you most excited about using on n900 ifreq ? | 21:18 |
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| ifreq | pupnik: the ability to do so much compared to my old phones :) | 21:19 |
| ifreq | pupnik: also quite happy with the hw, physical keyb, more opensrc env | 21:19 |
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| ifreq | pupnik: now i can even do some of my work via vpn+ ssh nicely | 21:20 |
| pupnik | it is heroic it ever got produced as open as it is | 21:20 |
| pupnik | yep | 21:20 |
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| jaem_n810 | pupnik, yeah | 21:22 |
| siriusnova | openvpn is the killer deal for me | 21:22 |
| siriusnova | lol | 21:22 |
| siriusnova | seriousl | 21:22 |
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| siriusnova | i live and work in a censored country | 21:23 |
| siriusnova | without openvpn my data is snooped on | 21:23 |
| siriusnova | :< | 21:23 |
| AbstractW | what country would that be? | 21:23 |
| ifreq | siriusnova: yeah that must be suckage :P | 21:23 |
| siriusnova | saudi arabia | 21:23 |
| AbstractW | That'd do it :P | 21:23 |
| AbstractW | At least your government is open about snooping your data. | 21:24 |
| Mousey | lets talk about sex! | 21:24 |
| siriusnova | lol | 21:24 |
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| AbstractW | my country isn't nearly as open about the snooping they do. | 21:24 |
| ifreq | anyone tested vulture's eye? | 21:24 |
| javispedro | ifreq: ye | 21:24 |
| siriusnova | nope | 21:24 |
| javispedro | yep | 21:24 |
| Dr_Cain | ok.. xchat from extras-devel, not quite stable yet :/ | 21:24 |
| siriusnova | well | 21:25 |
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| siriusnova | its in devel for a reason :p | 21:25 |
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| ifreq | javispedro: was nice or? | 21:25 |
| siriusnova | it hasnt crashed for me yet | 21:25 |
| siriusnova | heh | 21:25 |
| johnsq | Hi | 21:25 |
| Dr_Cain | try switching the channel list to the bottom | 21:25 |
| Dr_Cain | it give me a segfault :( | 21:25 |
| javispedro | ifreq: it is nethack, and I still don't know what nethack is. some dialogs are a little bit on the smallish side but seems playable. | 21:25 |
| ifreq | heh | 21:25 |
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| siriusnova | herm | 21:33 |
| siriusnova | how do i port console based apps to the maemo | 21:33 |
| siriusnova | :/ | 21:33 |
| siriusnova | i mean N900 | 21:33 |
| melmoth | siriusnova: recompile them in the sdk | 21:33 |
| siriusnova | ic | 21:33 |
| melmoth | easiest way is to apt-get source a package from a debian based distribution | 21:34 |
| melmoth | then , on the sdk, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 21:34 |
| melmoth | if you are lucky, that's all what is needed | 21:34 |
| siriusnova | k | 21:34 |
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| RevdKathy | Wow! great conversation in here tonight! | 21:39 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm...employment agencies seem to be having some fest tonight, 3 emails in a row... | 21:41 |
| evo | Hello, had anyone experienced troubles with mp3 tags and maemo multimedia player? I'm talkin' about "case sensitive" issues | 21:42 |
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| siriusnova | man | 21:43 |
| siriusnova | i could play with my n900 all day | 21:43 |
| siriusnova | :P | 21:43 |
| siriusnova | but i think i need to sleep now | 21:43 |
| siriusnova | Nokia does need to update Ovi Maps | 21:44 |
| siriusnova | its all but useless right now | 21:44 |
| javispedro | yeah | 21:44 |
| siriusnova | compared to my Nokia 5800 running Symbian and Ovi Maps 3.0 | 21:44 |
| javispedro | try the Nokia Map Loader though | 21:44 |
| javispedro | it seems to do something if you clear the "data store" | 21:44 |
| siriusnova | also no ovi suite | 21:44 |
| siriusnova | herm k | 21:44 |
| AbstractW | Does google maps work in the browser? | 21:44 |
| javispedro | including the ability to actually see the map without connectivity | 21:44 |
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| RST38h | oh holy fuck | 21:59 |
| pupnik | For some reason N900 directory select now shows me two entries for: "Audio clips" "Camera" "Documents" "Images" and "Video clips" | 21:59 |
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| pupnik | anybody know this weirdness? | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Who removed libpulse0 (>= 0.9.15~test5), ? | 21:59 |
| pupnik | since two weeks now | 21:59 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Yes it is a known bug | 22:00 |
| pupnik | thanks. i dunno RST38h. I wasn't able to find anything to 'improve' or 'temporarily disable' in /etc/pulse | 22:00 |
| RST38h | bug 5838 | 22:00 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5838 Certain directory entries are duplicated | 22:00 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: no, it got removed from extras so none of my packages can be installed now | 22:01 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: alright, the person who removed it SHOULD be here, no? | 22:08 |
| RST38h | pupnik: No idea | 22:08 |
| javispedro | libpulse was on extras? | 22:08 |
| RST38h | I have no idea where it was but it is no longer there | 22:09 |
| javispedro | 0.9.15-1maemo27+0m5 | 22:09 |
| javispedro | this is my device one | 22:09 |
| RST38h | same here | 22:09 |
| javispedro | just edit your package to depend on >0.9.15 and resubmit | 22:09 |
| RST38h | but now look at the fmsx page in packages | 22:09 |
| javispedro | >=0.9.15 I mean | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: all votes get wiped out and it never ever gets promoted | 22:10 |
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| javispedro | ah, the wonders of -testing | 22:10 |
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| javispedro | either way pulling libpulse0 from extras is wrong | 22:10 |
| RST38h | threshold is still set to 10 | 22:10 |
| javispedro | and probably H-A-M's "chicken-like" algorithms would have complained sooner or latter | 22:10 |
| RST38h | Is jeremiah around anyway? | 22:11 |
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| Pelap | Lol, preparing a video file before sharing=crash. Welcome to the future!!1 | 22:16 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: libpulse is part of SDK, why is it in extras? | 22:19 |
| slonopotamus | does microb hover mode work at all? | 22:19 |
| red | the VNCViewer application | 22:20 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: yeah, sorry, wanted to ask the exact same question as you | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yes, slide from left side of screen (a little outside) | 22:20 |
| red | what kinda program do i need on my desk pc in order for it to work? | 22:20 |
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| red | (windows 7) | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | red: realvnc , tightvnc or the likes | 22:20 |
| red | alright | 22:20 |
| lcuk2 | does windows 7 still support remote connections? | 22:20 |
| slonopotamus | sts, it drags page | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | woo, my car charger works with my n900 | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: hmm? a gentle gesture from left side turns it into cursor | 22:21 |
| lcuk2 | heh Stskeeps | 22:21 |
| Ceron^ | are there any nice ODB2 programs | 22:21 |
| red | lcuk2: theres some remote desktop protocol atleast, i've it disabled thought | 22:21 |
| Ceron^ | for maemo | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: outside the visible area | 22:21 |
| red | hope the vnc prog doesnt require it | 22:21 |
| slonopotamus | ah, crap | 22:21 |
| slonopotamus | you all lie | 22:21 |
| lcuk2 | i dont | 22:21 |
| lcuk2 | often | 22:21 |
| hrw | re | 22:22 |
| slonopotamus | you must drag at the bottom window porder | 22:22 |
| red | slonopotamus: it works ok i guess, bugs ALOT with flash (youtube for example) | 22:22 |
| lcuk2 | hey hrw | 22:22 |
| red | but for other stuff i found it works ok | 22:22 |
| slonopotamus | right where arrow image appears | 22:22 |
| slonopotamus | i was dragging higher | 22:22 |
| hrw | I wonder when each time when I use n900 I am finding new thigns to report in bugtracker | 22:23 |
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| lcuk2 | hrw, we need a bugtracker app :) | 22:23 |
| lcuk2 | with live updating chat and stuff | 22:23 |
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| slonopotamus | try, it really doesn't appear if you drag higher than arrow | 22:24 |
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| slonopotamus | this is argh #3 after no intuitive way to switch kb and no syncml server support | 22:26 |
| pupnik | [ Google demonstrates quantum computer image search - tech - 11 December 2009 - New Scientist ] http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18272-google-demonstrates-quantum-computer-image-search.html | 22:26 |
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| red | Stskeeps: works alright, but is there any vnc (or similar solution) available which I could use for live image | 22:30 |
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| red | kinda like ultravnc videodriver/possibly streaming video onto the device | 22:31 |
| red | now im not seeing my irssi window, nor kmplayer at all | 22:31 |
| red | (and yes i enabled fullscreenpoll) | 22:31 |
| melmoth | I m looking for a way to change the default timezone in the sdk. | 22:31 |
| melmoth | i cannot find where to do that,i try regionnal settings and clock and date stuff | 22:31 |
| melmoth | i can create a new world clock, buti need to have non gmt set as the default timezone, as it s the case on the real device | 22:32 |
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| red | ohwell ill try the mirage driver | 22:34 |
| melmoth | found it :) | 22:34 |
| * javispedro calls to skype echo test service... mic works | 22:34 | |
| melmoth | need to disable update automatically | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | Anyone can tell me the direct URL to FBreader source? | 22:38 |
| red | Stskeeps: hmm. still no video image appearing even thought im hooked directly into display drivers mirror screen | 22:38 |
| RST38h | The one that the package is built from? | 22:38 |
| Arkenoi | seems that n900 does not show sms notification on headset display | 22:38 |
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| red | At | 22:39 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: i am going to write a brief n00b's faq on n900 in russian, should i include a link to fbreader fix there or should i expect it to be fixed in te main repository? | 22:39 |
| Arkenoi | at, well | 22:40 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Well, I want to make some modifications to the package. I have done them locally but cannot package from the sources I have got | 22:40 |
| RST38h | So, it is too early | 22:40 |
| red | fbreader fix? | 22:41 |
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| RST38h | Anyone willing to hint me to where I get Extras-Devel sources of fbreader and zlibrary? | 22:41 |
| Arkenoi | red: mod to enable zoom keys to work as scroll | 22:41 |
| Arkenoi | btw n900 lacks "fullscreen" key, is there a way to remap it so some key combo globally? | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: I have done so | 22:42 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: My version reacts to Ctrl+Enter | 22:42 |
| cosmo | does anyone still know how to get packages from extras-devel to extras? | 22:42 |
| red | RST38h: would it be possible to disable the browser fullscreen icon aswell | 22:42 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, how to achieve that? | 22:42 |
| red | its in the way of a certain websites fixedposition menu =) | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: A few changes to fbreader config files | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: need to add definitions for Ctrl key and modifier first, then say that Ctrl+Enter does togglefullscreen | 22:43 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, globally i mean not for fbreader only - there are many programs that look much better in fullscreen | 22:43 |
| RST38h | ah, not globally, sorry | 22:43 |
| Arkenoi | actually i remember most of them worked in fullscreen just fine if there was a key | 22:43 |
| Arkenoi | rss reader, etc | 22:44 |
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| RST38h | ah found it | 22:44 |
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| red | I guess I'll just setup apache on my pc and download the video files etc which id like to stream. | 22:45 |
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| red | Most of my videos are 720p thought so it will be huge overhead compared to a streaming option | 22:45 |
| * RST38h will get qwerty's code and add some more stuff | 22:46 | |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, so answer to my question is..? ;-) | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: do I know how to do it globally? No. | 22:49 |
| RST38h | Do I have a new fbreader? Not yet | 22:49 |
| Arkenoi | ok, so i include qwerty's fix into faq | 22:50 |
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| RST38h | how touching, qwerty made exactly the same fix as I did | 22:50 |
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| AbstractW | netsplits galore! | 22:58 |
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| RST38h | The Tentacled One is feasting on a transatlantic cable tonight!!! | 22:58 |
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| pupnik | :) Lovecraft had a fantastic imagination. | 22:59 |
| Vulcanis_ | nope | 23:00 |
| Vulcanis_ | he witnessed all of it. | 23:00 |
| RST38h | Actually, 80% of the online Cthulhu memes are due to The Unspeakable Vault, not to Lovecraft | 23:00 |
| hrw | bye | 23:02 |
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| red | jesus, setting up VLC as video on demand server is awful | 23:10 |
| red | anyone have any suggestions what program would be suitable for windows, and would have a client on linux aswell? :P | 23:10 |
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| jkimball4 | what's the number to get n900 fixed under warranty? | 23:11 |
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| jkimball4 | still shutting off randomly. don't feel like messing with their site | 23:12 |
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| pupnik | red, it is pretty gross. Windows has some other options (orb, upnp). For streaming video from my pc to N900/N810 i use 'knots2' | 23:12 |
| red | pupnik: i used to use a software called airvideo | 23:13 |
| red | did a great job on iphone, encode on fly to specified resolution, or encode first and play then etc (depending on how badly my pc was on load or how big the file was.. 1080p takes some time to process for phone screen ^^) | 23:14 |
| johnsu01 | what's up with garage? | 23:14 |
| wazd | back again | 23:14 |
| red | pupnik: *facepalm* knots says for windows users download vlc | 23:16 |
| red | sup with that :( | 23:16 |
| pupnik | well it drives vlc for you | 23:16 |
| red | ahh, it hooks up via vlc | 23:16 |
| pupnik | so there's less fiddlingf | 23:16 |
| red | ye i should have read further | 23:16 |
| red | just raised a red flag heh | 23:16 |
| pupnik | it is a nice clean straightforward solution imo | 23:17 |
| pupnik | maybe just cause i saw it being developed | 23:17 |
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| RST38h | qwerty's fbreader source has got errors | 23:18 |
| RST38h | weird | 23:18 |
| RST38h | how did he compile? | 23:19 |
| VDVsx | btw where's qwerty ?? | 23:19 |
| RST38h | it is friday night | 23:19 |
| VDVsx | lol | 23:19 |
| RST38h | the real question is not where qwerty is but why we are here | 23:19 |
| VDVsx | because I got out on Saturdays :) | 23:20 |
| VDVsx | *go | 23:20 |
| RST38h | Analyst Claims iPhone Users Are Suffering From "Stockholm Syndrome" | 23:20 |
| VDVsx | ~seen qwerty12 | 23:20 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8d 2h 56m 35s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. | 23:20 |
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| VDVsx | humm, 8 days | 23:20 |
| red | does it matter if my knots file is at progfiles\git\cmd\ | 23:20 |
| red | or does it have to be in c: root? | 23:20 |
| Shapeshifter | huh. does america have software patents? | 23:21 |
| clmntch | where are the .desktop files for the backgrouns? | 23:21 |
| Shapeshifter | the US I mean | 23:21 |
| wazd | yeah, I have the same question bout qwerty | 23:21 |
| wazd | ~seen qwerty12 | 23:21 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8d 2h 57m 51s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. | 23:21 |
| woglinde | wazd yeah | 23:22 |
| woglinde | wondered yesterday where he is | 23:22 |
| ifreq | is there any openvpn configurator around? | 23:22 |
| redeeman | clmntch: in the folder where the images also are | 23:22 |
| clmntch | hrm | 23:22 |
| wazd | ~seen qwerty12_n900 | 23:25 |
| infobot | qwerty12_n900 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 5h 35m ago, saying: 'w00t: If it makes you happy, I have a picture of my N800, N810, and "my" N900 on a desk. Urge to kill rising?'. | 23:25 |
| wazd | aw | 23:25 |
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| VDVsx | he's active in talk, so lardman|home or lcuk didn't killed him yet | 23:26 |
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| melmoth | does somebody know the difference between calendar file type: VCAL and ICAL ? | 23:29 |
| woglinde | is garage up again? | 23:29 |
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| fnordianslip | doesn't look like it | 23:30 |
| fnordianslip | wonder who's maintaining it at this time of night | 23:31 |
| red | pupnik: im at the webgui now | 23:31 |
| red | and i must say the program looks promising | 23:31 |
| red | audio streaming too, which is very good :) | 23:31 |
| red | this means i can actually stream my music at school without eating up my phone battery :) | 23:31 |
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| red | mmh, a problem actually | 23:33 |
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| red | added a folder, and clicked update -- internal server error and access forbidden for my d:\ -drive | 23:33 |
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| pupnik | red, let ukki know if you like it please | 23:33 |
| pupnik | ah? | 23:33 |
| red | actually D:/System Volume Information | 23:33 |
| red | which is a hidden folder | 23:33 |
| red | got my vids in the root of d:\ as its a dedicated video drive | 23:34 |
| red | can i set it to skip hidden files on a scan? | 23:34 |
| pupnik | i tell it what folders i want to share | 23:34 |
| pupnik | those folders contain what i want to share | 23:34 |
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| pupnik | the things i don't want to share, i don't tell knots2 to share | 23:34 |
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| red | i guess i could move them one folder upwards | 23:35 |
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| pupnik | what behavior would you prefer red? | 23:35 |
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| pupnik | just ignore hidden directories? | 23:35 |
| pupnik | should be a quick fix | 23:36 |
| red | well, you hardly have videos in hidden folders :) | 23:36 |
| red | but i poked the vids 1 level upwards in a empty dir so its np | 23:36 |
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| melmoth | et pas de probleme depuis ? | 23:39 |
| melmoth | oups | 23:39 |
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| |R | any reasons why iNes would be slow on my n900? (while drnoksnes runs fast) | 23:40 |
| |R | Nothing else is running... | 23:40 |
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| |R | also ioquake3 doesn't have an icon and just keep loading forever ... | 23:42 |
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| red | pupnik: so report any suggestions to ukko? | 23:45 |
| red | ukki* | 23:45 |
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| pupnik | he da man! | 23:48 |
| pupnik | |R: emulators shoul get around 20 fps as things stand. Hopefully that can be fixed. | 23:49 |
| pupnik | But don't be impatient for it | 23:50 |
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| Klowner | debating an invisible shield | 23:52 |
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| RST38h | nothing to debate, get it | 23:53 |
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| Klowner | RST38h: not too weird with the stylus or anything? | 23:53 |
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| RST38h | no idea, but you probably do not want to scratch the display | 23:53 |
| pwnguin | is it possible to "dock" via usb? | 23:54 |
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| pwnguin | obviously power, but im wondering about network and sound (maybe video?) | 23:54 |
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| Klowner | true, I should say I'm debating between cheapo plastic screen protector and an expensive InvisibleShield brand fancypants one | 23:54 |
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| Klowner | considering how scratched up the protector on my blackberry has become over the past year, I certainly need *something* on the N900 | 23:55 |
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| Arkenoi | Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break. | 23:55 |
| Arkenoi | fuck! | 23:55 |
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| evo | hello, has anyone experienced troubles with mp3 tags and multimedia player? | 23:56 |
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| konttori | hmm.. is it just me, or does python seem non-optified again? | 23:57 |
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| VDVsx | konttori, the one in extras and -testing is not optified, at least last time I checked | 23:58 |
| VDVsx | only the one in -devel is | 23:58 |
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| andre__ | evo, how do you mean? examples? well, it's not bugfree :-P | 23:59 |
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| konttori | so, how do we get it to extras? | 23:59 |
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