IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-12-08

Dantonic	just keeps saying "connecting"	00:00
ali1234	i'm hoping it will be a bit faster after it is done playing the looooong intro to FF7	00:00
RevdKathy	I can't do the aggregate bit tonight - too tired!	00:00
RevdKathy	an I don;t have a pic on my profile	00:00
RevdKathy	anyone who cares part one is here: http://revdkathy.livejournal.com/	00:00
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Dantonic	hi RevdKathy !	00:01
zgold	ali1234: you really want that $20 =P	00:01
RevdKathy	Hi Dantonic	00:01
ali1234	maybe if i get it working to the point where it is playable	00:01
ali1234	it isn't in this state, it's too slow	00:01
ali1234	i wouldn't pay $20 for this	00:01
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zgold	lol, the terms were "a deb such that i can play ff7" :)	00:01
ali1234	well you can do that	00:02
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ali1234	if you don't mind that everything takes 5x longer than it should	00:02
ali1234	still it's an improvement on 5fps	00:02
ghostman	http://scfire-dtc-aa03.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1048	00:02
ali1234	*1fps	00:02
zgold	ali1234: the game already has like a 30-40 hour gametime... 5x would be bad :)	00:02
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ali1234	man i always forget how long these intros are	00:03
ali1234	btw, sound, kb input, everything else works fine without even configuring it	00:03
ali1234	it's just slow	00:03
zgold	ali1234: you have to start it from CLI i imagine?	00:03
ali1234	yeah	00:03
ali1234	i could make a .desktop though, it's easy	00:04
ali1234	it isn't optified either	00:04
zgold	.desktop to start a specific game or to start a gui?	00:04
ali1234	to start the gui	00:04
zgold	oh, so there is a gui	00:04
ali1234	i dont think it has command line options	00:04
FIQ	nice chan	00:04
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ghostman	http://scfire-dtc-aa03.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1048	00:04
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zgold	ali1234: did you see today's video of the iphone playing n64? It had a pretty nifty onscreen keyboard overlayed ontop of the game	00:05
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ali1234	no, i didn't	00:05
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ali1234	i don't really have time for watching that stuff :)	00:05
ali1234	i should be doing real work instead of sitting here watching the ff7 intro at 20% normal speed	00:06
zgold	but its such a good intro =P	00:06
zgold	http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/07/iphone-3gs-emulates-n64-blows-minds-in-the-process/	00:06
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clmntch	whoa, ff7	00:06
clmntch	!!!!	00:06
ali1234	yeah but this is like the youtube poop remix	00:07
zgold	ali1234: so get some accel on those conversions =P	00:07
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ali1234	we need an arm dynarec	00:07
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ali1234	this is running in the interpreter, which is super slow	00:08
ali1234	intro is nearly done	00:08
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RevdKathy	Ok... need sleeeeeeep. Night all!	00:09
wazd	javispedro: http://s41.radikal.ru/i094/0912/ca/f6d6f9fe30f9.jpg <- not ready yet but you got the point :)	00:09
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javispedro	:)	00:09
javispedro	wazd: purrrfect! :)	00:09
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ghostman	who wants to fuck me? ;)	00:11
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ghostman	was	00:15
AakashPatel	is there a python interpreter in -extras?	00:16
AakashPatel	if i wanted to write my whole app in python	00:16
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ali1234	AakashPatel: yes	00:16
AakashPatel	awesome	00:16
ghostman	http://scfire-dtc-aa03.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1048	00:16
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Stskeeps	ghostman: stop spamming	00:17
ghostman	fick dich, du Arsch!	00:17
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* Stskeeps sighs		00:18
Stskeeps	my ignore list seems to be growing more and more these days	00:18
Flandry	ban him from your N900 :)	00:18
ghostman	http://scfire-dtc-aa03.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1048	00:18
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zgold	ali1234: could you perhaps post a diff with your work when your done?	00:18
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DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps, Army Of Losesrs even	00:18
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FIQ	n900...	00:18
FIQ	think i would by it after chrismas. :p	00:18
ali1234	zgold: sure	00:19
FIQ	lol by	00:19
FIQ	buy*	00:19
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DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps, the tools-repo issue (404) fixed magically :-P	00:20
DocScrutinizer51	strange	00:21
javispedro	don't worry, that'll be "fixed" eventually	00:21
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: most be a broken issue somewhere	00:21
javispedro	maybe it'll start returning 401s again :)	00:21
DocScrutinizer51	javispedro, ;-P	00:21
ghostman	StskeepsStskeepsStskeeps; Fick dich du Arsch!	00:21
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RST38h	Dear gentlemen! Anyone knows how I can invoke "install" to recursive install a directory?	00:23
homeasvs_	anyone know if it is at all possible to create additional profiles, so I can have it so that only the phone can make a noise at night, but not email/sms/... ?	00:23
javispedro	no profiles yet from what I've seen	00:24
javispedro	RST38h: you could use cp/chown/chmod -R	00:24
RST38h	ah...ok	00:25
Macer	ok. seriously	00:25
DocScrutinizer51	javispedro, there are TWO(!)	00:26
Macer	if there is one thing i can give linux... you do not run into these idiot trojans	00:26
Macer	my god i'm about to have a friggin nutty	00:26
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: yeah, yeah.. but that's "profiles" only to avoid user confusion or something like that	00:26
DocScrutinizer51	anyway it,s a silly joke. homeasvs_ 's request quite valid	00:27
homeasvs_	hm	00:27
homeasvs_	so it might make sense to make a little app that sets the volumes of stuff	00:28
homeasvs_	that would at least keep me going for now	00:28
DocScrutinizer51	homeasvs_, I'd guess those two profiles aren't hardcoded	00:28
javispedro	btw, how much does the thing take to charge from your average 500mA USB port?	00:29
range	Wow.	00:29
DocScrutinizer51	so if you find where they reside, and copy abnd "rename" one, maybe you're better off	00:29
range	Modest brings my imap server to segfault.	00:30
javispedro	s/much/long/	00:30
infobot	javispedro meant: btw, how long does the thing take to charge from your average 500mA USB port?	00:30
pwnguin	yay, phone arrival	00:31
DocScrutinizer51	takes eternities to charge, no matter how	00:32
javispedro	well it takes the usual 2 hours in the in-the-box wall charger	00:32
javispedro	*with the nokia-provided wall charger	00:32
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DocScrutinizer51	Feels to me like a whole lot longer	00:34
Arkenoi	3 hours from wall charger, more like 4-5 from usb	00:34
DocScrutinizer51	that's more like it	00:34
GAN900	Woo, 18000' higher than you suckers.	00:35
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ghostman	lose ya	00:35
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ghostman	ach scheiss drauf!	00:36
javispedro	GAN900: "Hello from outer space, earthlings!"	00:36
GAN900	Ping is only about 200ms, too.	00:36
ghostman	Die JJjugend hatt nichts mehrr drauf!	00:37
DocScrutinizer51	all your base are belong to us	00:37
javispedro	lol, my usb hub is starting to get really hot	00:37
ghostman	llangwweiligg	00:37
DocScrutinizer51	please chanop!!!	00:37
ghostman	nnix geht mehhr	00:37
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mikhas	wow, nice GAN900 ...	00:38
DocScrutinizer51	javispedro, your HUB??	00:38
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javispedro	DocScrutinizer: yeah...	00:38
ghostman	brave Bürger: Ich hasse Euch!	00:38
GAN900	mikhas, Delta's still mostly fail, though. :D	00:39
javispedro	that's why I am hoping for the n900 to end charging soon...	00:39
GAN900	javispedro, no adaptor?	00:40
GAN900	USB charging is damn near useless.	00:40
ghostman	klleinee hubies?	00:40
DocScrutinizer51	ahhh, !ghostman@ added to ignore list.	00:40
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GAN900	Sloooow	00:40
javispedro	GAN900: I wanted to test that for myself :P	00:40
ghostman	ccV	00:40
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ghostman	V	00:41
ghostman	V	00:41
ghostman	forr what?	00:41
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GAN900	I really want to drop the banhammer from space	00:41
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javispedro	drop it!	00:41
javispedro	FINISH HIM!!!	00:41
DocScrutinizer51	Dooo	00:41
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javispedro	see you, bastard!	00:41
FIQ	tack	00:41
DocScrutinizer51	thanks	00:41
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FIQ	with english	00:41
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GAN900	lol	00:42
GAN900	The nearly made that not happen.	00:42
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DocScrutinizer51	more like :-S	00:43
GAN900	Man, I'm pretty sure that makes me like super l33t or something.	00:43
DocScrutinizer51	nevermind	00:43
GAN900	*lag	00:43
zgold	ali1234: did the intro finish?	00:44
wazd	javispedro: http://i057.radikal.ru/0912/48/ddefef185b4a.png	00:44
derf	GAN900: The general rule is, if you have to call yourself l33t, you're not.	00:44
ali1234	yeah i played it a bit, just doing a youtube video	00:44
ali1234	it totally sucks	00:44
zgold	ali1234: sweet!	00:44
GAN900	derf, thus, the irony. :D	00:44
javispedro	wazd: thanks! thanks! thanks!	00:45
wazd	javispedro: np as always :)	00:46
wazd	javispedro: have you got your n900 at last?	00:46
javispedro	wazd: yeah!	00:46
wazd	javispedro: great, congratulations :)	00:47
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SpeedEvil	javispedro: Woo!	00:47
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DocScrutinizer51	any hint whichmagic incantation xchat should use to maake vbrator kick shortly (and maybe pllay notification sound same time - I'd not mind)?	00:47
SpeedEvil	I'd like a magic incantation to make it use espeak for privmsgs	00:48
javispedro	good lord	00:48
DocScrutinizer51	jebba, ^ ?	00:48
* RST38h moos with passion		00:49
DocScrutinizer51	man, typos more than correct chars	00:49
javispedro	mow RST38h	00:50
RST38h	wazd: Oh, shit, this image is no longer violating Nintendo's copyright!	00:50
RST38h	Well, to a degree...	00:50
javispedro	yeah...	00:50
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javispedro	still ... probably not worth pursuing ...	00:50
wazd	RST38h: that was the point :)	00:51
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lardman	evening all	00:55
javispedro	evening lardman	00:55
lardman	hi javispedro	00:55
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GAN900	Hey, lardman.	00:56
DocScrutinizer51	hi	00:56
Mysterious	hello	00:56
lardman	hey GAN900, DocScrutinizer, Mysterious	00:56
lardman	so how was Barcenlona?	00:57
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lardman	hmm, spelling not hot as ever ;)	00:57
GAN900	Crazy. Amazing. Fantastic.	00:57
Mysterious	huh^^	00:57
mikhas	in that order	00:57
javispedro	no problem, it's been spelled wrong 50% of the times today :)	00:57
GAN900	On the last leg of my trip now.	00:57
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GAN900	Thankfully I don't yet feel as though I got up at 2 this morning.	00:58
* lardman imagines the headlines tomorrow - airliner brought down by interference from cell phone		00:58
GAN900	lardman, in flight WiFi	00:58
lardman	oooo	00:58
Mysterious	I don't want to bother	00:58
Mysterious	but aww I'll just do	00:58
DocScrutinizer51	lol	00:58
lardman	GAN900: who are you flying with?	00:58
divinegod	okay, this is rather weird. I am trying to install programs, the device reports that there is not enough space, but it also reports that there is 1.71 GB left for applications	00:59
Mysterious	has anybody tried to run the aircrack-ng suite on our loved n900 device yet?	00:59
GAN900	and the headline would be "Airliner brought down by Nokia's new Maemo-based N900"	00:59
GAN900	Delta	00:59
Mysterious	or did someone started to port it?	00:59
Pavlov	oh come on	00:59
GAN900	divinegod, from where?	00:59
Pavlov	it won't take the plane down	00:59
Pavlov	the battery will die well before he boards	00:59
lardman	GAN900: well yeah, depends in the yellow boxes store the MACs of the offending items ;)	00:59
lardman	s/in/if	00:59
DocScrutinizer51	Mysterious, I heard airodump should work	00:59
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GAN900	Pavlov, at 34k right now. :P	00:59
divinegod	GAN900: from trying to install apps on my n900	01:00
FIQ	divinegod; from extras-devel?	01:00
GAN900	That.	01:00
divinegod	FIQ: no, I don't have extras-devel added now.	01:00
crashanddie	o/ GAN900	01:00
divinegod	only extras and extras-testing	01:01
Mysterious	DocScrutinizer51, that's nice :D	01:01
Mysterious	but how about aircrack?	01:01
GAN900	Hey, crashanddie.	01:01
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Hardaker900	hi me	01:01
hardaker2	hey... sup me?	01:01
FIQ	every app in the -testing area isn't optified yet i think	01:01
lardman	anyone here used Sage?	01:01
Hardaker900	not much	01:01
DocScrutinizer51	Mysterious, thats a cpu hug	01:01
lardman	ah crashanddie, what was that you said to my back as I left yesterday....? ;)	01:02
Mysterious	DocScrutinizer51, xD you are right	01:02
FIQ	and will (try to) install on root that has much less space	01:02
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crashanddie	lardman: wanker?	01:02
crashanddie	lardman: cuz you don't reply to emails	01:02
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lardman	sounds familiar	01:02
divinegod	FIQ: oh, well.. that explains it.	01:02
lardman	crashanddie: really?	01:02
Mysterious	DocScrutinizer51, is there a source where i can download ist?	01:02
lardman	emails or pms?	01:02
Mysterious	*it	01:02
crashanddie	yes, really	01:02
crashanddie	emails	01:02
DocScrutinizer51	s/hug/hog/	01:02
infobot	DocScrutinizer51 meant: Mysterious, thats a cpu hog	01:02
lardman	hmm, not received any	01:02
DocScrutinizer51	Mysterious, dunno	01:03
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lardman	oh you didn't send to gmail did you?	01:03
Mysterious	infobot, i thought of that ;)	01:03
infobot	You thought of that ;)?	01:03
crashanddie	lardman: 3 days ago	01:03
lardman	crashanddie: ah, I see your emails now	01:03
Mysterious	ok actually i dunno what hog means xD	01:03
lardman	sorry, I don't check gmail often	01:03
lardman	many thanks, I will download and merge your patches :)	01:04
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DocScrutinizer51	hmm	01:04
DocScrutinizer51	~hog	01:05
* javispedro notes the irony of http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-10-07.log.html#t2009-10-07T01:19:48		01:05
infobot	i guess hog is you have to know 2 know like scratch sam loza and edd	01:05
GAN900	crashanddie, wish you could've made it to BCN	01:05
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GAN900	Really fantastic	01:05
DocScrutinizer51	bah	01:05
Mysterious	anyways, i would like to hug my cpu^^	01:05
DocScrutinizer51	hehe	01:06
DocScrutinizer51	~dict hog	01:06
infobot	Dictionary 'hog' (3 of 10): a sheep up to the age of one year; one yet to be sheared ;; take greedily; take more than one's share ;; \Hog\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Hogged}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Hogging}.] 1. To cut short like bristles; as, to hog the mane of a horse. --Smart. [1913 Webster] 2. (Naut.) To scrub with a hog, or scrubbing broom. [1913 Webster].	01:06
Mysterious	I like to pick the sheep meaning xD	01:07
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DocScrutinizer51	xD	01:07
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lardman	hog=sheep?!	01:07
lardman	means pig in my land	01:08
kynky	me2	01:08
lardman	my land being that which speaks English	01:08
Mysterious	in my land there is no word like hog :P	01:08
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lardman	infobot: you're wrong about the meaning of hog	01:08
kynky	hogging all the food like a pig	01:09
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javispedro	oh, the n900 says charged. that was 4 hours from my PC's usb	01:09
DocScrutinizer51	cool	01:09
arachnist	it takes less than 2 hours on the normal charger	01:10
javispedro	yep.	01:10
lardman	anyone know if the Maxima source tarball contains a lisp interpreter?	01:10
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wiretapped	i've been trying to give nokia some money in exchange for an N900 for a while now	01:10
wiretapped	they really seem unable	01:10
Mysterious	oh no	01:10
SpeedEvil	wiretapped: where are you?	01:10
Mysterious	i hate lisp xD	01:10
wiretapped	san francisco	01:10
lardman	Mysterious: I just want a decent cas	01:11
lardman	CAS even	01:11
wiretapped	i've given up waiting on the ddp and decided to buy one retail	01:11
SpeedEvil	:/	01:11
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wiretapped	so i tried at nokiausa.com... two cards declined. presumably due to trying to ship somewhere not my billing address	01:11
wiretapped	so i call them	01:11
wiretapped	and their fraud system has blocked me for three days for trying twice	01:11
wiretapped	that was last week	01:12
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wiretapped	so now i'm on the phone again, i've pushed the button for sales, and been holding for >25 minutes	01:12
greggypoo	hey this is a long shot...i have a couple apps i wrote using libX11, and they do not show up in the maemo taskbar	01:12
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wiretapped	in the meantime my company tried to buy one for me, and they said they couldn't take a corporate credit card	01:12
wiretapped	nokiausa	01:12
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wiretapped	wtf	01:12
greggypoo	so if you minimize them, they disappear completely. anyone experienced with the magic windowmanager hints needed for this thing? i wrote this software back in the era of matchbox 0.1 :)	01:12
GAN900	wiretapped, gotta love NokiaUSA	01:13
wazd	VDVsx: around? :)	01:13
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DocScrutinizer51	greggypoo, taskbar??	01:14
javispedro	probably diablo	01:14
DocScrutinizer51	dahboard?	01:14
javispedro	greggypoo: OS2009?	01:14
crashanddie	so lardman ?	01:14
javispedro	err	01:14
javispedro	greggypoo: OS2008?	01:14
Mysterious	I like asking stupid questions: Is it possible to use debian arm repositories to install software on the n900? Or do i need to port them? And how hard might that be?	01:14
greggypoo	um ... maemo 4.1.2 diablo :)	01:15
lardman	crashanddie: thank you and I'll merge your patches	01:15
lardman	see above	01:15
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javispedro	greggypoo: so, the only way I know is to set a proper WMCLASS and create your own .desktop file	01:15
lardman	and the email I just sent to you	01:15
greggypoo	i'm not sure taskbar is the right name, i mean the icons in along the left of the screen showing the currently running apps	01:15
greggypoo	hmmm, i've carefully avoided learning any class stuff so far, so that may be where i went wrong	01:15
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greggypoo	javispedro, do you know what program is responsible for managing that part of the screen?	01:16
* lardman decides lisp looks like a pita		01:16
javispedro	greggypoo: hildon-desktop	01:16
DocScrutinizer51	bet is IS	01:16
crashanddie	lardman: ok, I'll use the other email address in the future. I've done a bit of work on some other source code, but wasn't sure if I should considering I wasn't getting a reply	01:16
crashanddie	lardman: do you prefer diff format? (I don't have access to garage)	01:17
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greggypoo	thanks javispedro, that'll give me something to dig into for a while.	01:17
lardman	no that's fine, source is ok, I can do a side by side comparison	01:17
lardman	thanks! :)	01:17
Mysterious	answer my questions or i'll cry!	01:17
javispedro	greggypoo: good luck	01:17
greggypoo	i'll need it :)	01:17
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javispedro	:)	01:18
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DocScrutinizer51	Mysterious, went unnoticed	01:18
Mysterious	yes obviously	01:19
crashanddie	lardman: cool, I'll probably send some more stuff late tonight (maybe early tomorrow morning for you then)	01:19
* Mysterious cries		01:19
lardman	sounds good	01:19
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lardman	crashanddie: don't kill yourself though, am just doing small patches for the GTK+ stuff now, moving the ui to Qt	01:19
DocScrutinizer51	Mysterious, actually I dont remember any question	01:20
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lardman	though the decoder.c will probably remain the same so that's all good :)	01:20
lardman	at least for the time being anyway	01:20
Mysterious	DocScrutinizer51, I'll copy&paste it	01:20
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Mysterious	DocScrutinizer51: (00:14:41) Mysterious: I like asking stupid questions: Is it possible to use debian arm repositories to install software on the n900? Or do i need to port them? And how hard might that be?	01:20
FIQ	could you install arm debian (@desktop) apps on maemo or does they need some form of port? and if they need port... it's a version of debian.. why wouldn't it?	01:20
DocScrutinizer51	aah	01:21
DocScrutinizer51	that one... no idea here	01:21
javispedro	and the answer is DEPENDS.	01:21
javispedro	happy now?	01:21
Mysterious	yeah great	01:21
Mysterious	-.-	01:21
FIQ	hm	01:22
lardman	Mysterious: the answer is probably that no you can't now as they use a different abi	01:22
DocScrutinizer51	prolly try and see XD	01:22
lardman	same to FIQ	01:22
lardman	or has Debian updated itself on ARM?	01:22
javispedro	debian uses armel now	01:22
javispedro	/eabi	01:22
FIQ	the program/app/image/whatever "easy debian" is used to install arm debian packages i guess?	01:22
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javispedro	is used to install debian itself, on a chroot.	01:23
lardman	interesting name for a library http://packages.debian.org/sid/libm4ri-0.0.20080521	01:23
FIQ	ah	01:23
GAN900	Ehehe http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/4160666201/	01:23
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lardman	:)	01:23
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range	Ummm.	01:23
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range	TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA - why is modest using that one?	01:24
FIQ	nice name	01:24
range	dissect_ssl3_hnd_srv_hello can't find cipher suite 0x88 - I'd like to peek into the ssl stream :)	01:24
range	bug 6654 - nice one.	01:24
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6654 Nokia Mail does not update messages after a while	01:24
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GAN900	lardman, I wanted a pannable background of that one. g	01:25
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DocScrutinizer51	bah, maemo msgs popps up mail settings on receiving "poll_mintime ERROR: to frequent polls"	01:27
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DocScrutinizer51	which is really bad with providers like GMX or web.de	01:27
crashanddie	lardman: I'm working on web.c	01:28
lardman	crashanddie: may not be worth it tbh	01:29
lardman	most of that will be implemented as plugins in the end	01:29
crashanddie	hmm	01:29
lardman	sorry	01:29
crashanddie	at least it'll be readable for the one converting them to plugins :P	01:29
lardman	well there is that of course ;)	01:29
Mysterious	Do you hate me because i do not posess a n900/maemo-device?	01:29
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crashanddie	Mysterious: yes, we all hate you	01:30
derf	crashanddie: You're helping with mbarcode now?	01:30
lardman	Mysterious: me in particular?	01:30
crashanddie	derf: I am indeed, why the "now"?	01:30
javispedro	yeah, everybody here has a device save for m...	01:30
javispedro	err....	01:30
javispedro	:P	01:30
lardman	derf: he foolishly volunteered to get rid of some of the many warnings	01:30
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crashanddie	lardman: of which there is a fuckload	01:30
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lardman	indeed :)	01:31
crashanddie	lardman: you actually generate more warnings than lcuk !	01:31
derf	crashanddie: Oh, if you were doing stuff before I missed it.	01:31
crashanddie	and he speaks northern to his compiler	01:31
lardman	I was duly warned and ignored them	01:31
derf	I am not the most observant.	01:31
crashanddie	derf: no, wasn't on the project before	01:31
derf	Just happy to see more people involved.	01:31
fnordianslippers	do the n900s shutdown in a low battery state or just run til they drop	01:31
javispedro	they shutdown "gracefully"	01:32
fnordianslippers	thanks	01:32
javispedro	where gracefully is they give a final warning and then you have like 5 seconds to save and close	01:32
fnordianslippers	loads of time then	01:32
javispedro	it feels like ages when you are in the middle of something important	01:32
javispedro	i think they call that "bullet time"	01:32
fnordianslippers	:)	01:33
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javispedro	I did manage to compose and send an email once	01:33
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Mysterious	takes the battery damage during a full discharge ?	01:33
lardman	derf, crashanddie: once the ui is moved to Qt and a plugin system fleshed out, I hope it will become more usable (and accessible)	01:34
fnordianslippers	did it say "please send new batter"	01:34
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derf	lardman: Well, by moving to Qt you pretty much ensure I will never touch the UI code.	01:34
derf	But that wasn't likely to happen, anyway.	01:34
lardman	yeah, the ui should hopefully just sit there doing nothing	01:35
lardman	but Qt will allow e.g. Python plugins	01:35
lardman	and of course C	01:35
zgold	ali1234: youtube video up? :)	01:35
ali1234	no it's still going, 290 mb	01:35
ali1234	don't worry i'll let you know when it's done	01:35
zgold	ali1234: :)	01:35
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redeeman	derf: you don't like Qt?	01:36
lardman	C++, yuck! ;)	01:36
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redeeman	it could be worse, it could be c with gtk :P	01:37
redeeman	or c++/gtkmm	01:37
lardman	well C is good, gtk+ not so good	01:37
derf	redeeman: I don't know Qt. I hate C++.	01:37
lardman	stick to command line I say	01:37
lardman	but users don't like it	01:37
PaulFertser	Mysterious: if you discharge a LiIon "too much" then yes, but a good device shouldn't allow you to do that. And if you obey some basic restrictions, there's only charge cycle count limit to worry about.	01:37
redeeman	derf: well you're not forced to use most of the c++ features	01:37
derf	redeeman: Bullshit.	01:38
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Mysterious	PaulFertser: ok thanks	01:38
Mysterious	Good bye, everybody!	01:38
lardman	hmm, I swear I can smell fried onions	01:38
lardman	must just be extreme hunger making me smell things	01:39
Mysterious	wtheck	01:39
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VDVsx	wazd, yes	01:40
SpeedEvil	lardman: or onions	01:40
wazd	VDVsx: http://s08.radikal.ru/i181/0912/22/0e7c1940757d.png	01:40
lardman	SpeedEvil: might be	01:40
* lardman wonders if the smell of real fried onions will wake his wife up....		01:40
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VDVsx	wazd, looks good, but I'm not sure about the ps3 logo, don't want issues with Sony :P	01:41
wazd	meh	01:41
wazd	well, it can be BM logo instead	01:42
SpeedEvil	lardman: Sneak up behind her, and place a filtered 'nuisance odor' mask on her.	01:42
redeeman	wtf	01:42
GAN900	VDVsz, bye, by the way. ;)	01:43
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VDVsx	GAN900, lol	01:43
lardman	SpeedEvil: well she is asleep	01:43
VDVsx	GAN900, already at home ?	01:43
GAN900	VDVsx, thanks for putting up with me as your roommate, etc. g	01:43
GAN900	VDVsx, close, on the flight back to Tampa	01:44
GAN900	Landin about about 1.5 hours.	01:44
VDVsx	ah those new cool wifi services ;)	01:45
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* Arkenoi tries to choose - try to set up MfE sync to google calendar or just wait for more proper way to be implemented?		01:47
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GAN900	VDVsx, I now more completely understand why people might now want to have meetups in the US. ;)	01:48
GAN900	The biometric shit was all very Minority Report	01:48
lardman	s/now/not ??	01:49
VDVsx	GAN900, eheh, for people from the European union is more or less easy, but for the other is a big headache	01:49
VDVsx	*others	01:49
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GAN900	lardman, yes.	01:50
GAN900	VDVsx, I had a helluva time getting through security at BCN	01:51
wazd	VDVsx: well, anyway, I'll send you files soon	01:51
GAN900	They wanted EVERYTHING out of my carryon	01:51
VDVsx	wazd, thanks :)	01:51
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VDVsx	wazd, I showed the current stuff to some of the ux persons at BCN and they liked a lot, even asked your name :P	01:52
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GAN900	Nobody spoke English and the security lady made me leave my wallet, N900 and a fistfull of coins down at the end of the conveyor while she dragged me back through with the laptop.	01:53
wazd	VDVsx: oh	01:53
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* orbarron ready to throw scratchbox out the window....		01:54
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wazd	VDVsx: since they haven't asked for my e-mail - whatever :D	01:54
VDVsx	GAN900, ahah, they did some test to your laptop ?	01:54
VDVsx	wazd, lol	01:54
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orbarron	any one have pointers to removing scratchbox?	01:55
VDVsx	orbarron, apt-get remove package_name	01:55
* orbarron believe it was removed the wrong way:P		01:55
Flandry	you're doomed then	01:55
orbarron	thanks...	01:55
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Flandry	i've got in infinite loop in my FS from that happening :P	01:56
GAN900	VDVsx, no, but I apparently, placed the bag with too much overlap overthe laptop so she dragged all of the wires in my backpack out to run through again.	01:56
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GAN900	wazd, hehe, I was spreadin your name around a bit, too. :P	01:57
VDVsx	wazd, but if you're willing to work in mobile devices design/ux your should pay attention to any job in that company, they are very talented and friendly people :)	01:57
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VDVsx	GAN900, it's a bit odd that no one speaks English in the security crew, at least basic English	02:00
wazd	VDVsx: I don't even know what company it is	02:00
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javispedro	GAN900: I'm used to having to leave my belt and .. my glasses. and the guy found nothing hilarious about the situation.	02:00
wazd	VDVsx: "Some UX persons inc."? :D	02:00
VDVsx	GAN900, I had to help one of the girls because she had some big boots and the lady asked her to remove them in Spanish of course	02:01
GAN900	VDVsx, well, the same is frequently true in the US. :D	02:01
VDVsx	wazd, aSIMULAter company :P	02:01
kevloral	VDVsx: well, I bet the security people there barely spoke... any language. It's not like they are the brightest people, you know.	02:01
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VDVsx	kevloral, lol	02:01
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GAN900	Lots of latins work for TSA.	02:01
VDVsx	kevloral, i bet they keep saying the same words all the time, not to dificult to 'fix' some at least :p	02:02
VDVsx	s/to/too/	02:02
infobot	VDVsx meant: kevloral, i bet they keep saying the same words all the time, not too dificult to 'fix' some at least :p	02:02
GAN900	VDVsx, I ended up a T2 at first	02:03
mikhas	eheheh, T2 .... =)	02:03
ali1234	damn it the youtube upload failed	02:03
GAN900	Managed to get to the gate just as my zone started boarding.	02:03
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jebba	man, long fkn process to get something built for extras-devel	02:04
GAN900	mikhas, looked at the board and thought "this can't be right"	02:04
mikhas	and the t1<->t2 shuttle takes a while, too ...	02:05
mikhas	onto the motorway, off the motorway, onto ..., off ...	02:06
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wazd	VDVsx: aaaaaaaaah :)	02:06
wazd	VDVsx: still don't know it :D	02:07
javispedro	they're not used to it, the airport has been nearly doubled in size in the last year	02:07
GAN900	mikhas, I was "ohshitohshitoshit" for more of the shuttle ride	02:07
GAN900	s/more/most/	02:07
VDVsx	wazd, yes, you know :p	02:07
infobot	GAN900 meant: mikhas, I was "ohshitohshitoshit" for most of the shuttle ride	02:07
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wazd	VDVsx: aah, that fishing company? :)	02:08
GAN900	javispedro, T1 sure is purty, though.	02:08
lardman	bed time	02:08
VDVsx	wazd, lol	02:08
lardman	night all	02:08
javispedro	gnite lardman	02:08
wazd	lardman: cya	02:08
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VDVsx	javispedro, t1 is very big, but was almost empty	02:09
GAN900	javispedro, by the way, really glad you got a device.	02:09
VDVsx	should be very different in the summer	02:09
javispedro	GAN900: thanks!	02:09
GAN900	Now we just need to get wazd buffed out.	02:10
javispedro	yeah	02:10
wazd	GAN900: hah, nice joke :D	02:10
GAN900	VDVsx, I thought it was funny how all the UI people who were supposed to be available to help were all clustered up at the one table on Fri.	02:11
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GAN900	wazd, no joke, there was talk of donation funds bouncing around.	02:11
GAN900	(buffed, not rubbed, by the way. :P)	02:11
VDVsx	GAN900, yeah, but I can't complain at least :)	02:12
lcuk	GAN900, on friday it was concepting stuff wasnt it, i ended up with 3 tiny things, did you see all the stuff from the video editor?	02:12
GAN900	VDVsx, things really picked up after the ice was broken but it gave me a good chuckle.	02:13
lcuk	there were page after page of layouts and ideas	02:13
GAN900	lcuk, hahah	02:13
GAN900	lcuk, that's too bad	02:13
* GAN900 contributed a few pages for zaheerm.		02:13
jebba	is the build box running on an N900?	02:13
* VDVsx too		02:13
javispedro	as I told twice, I was basically alone in my concepting group :)	02:14
lcuk	easy to do isnt it :D	02:14
wazd	GAN900: I heard some rumors bout Forum.Nokia selling n900 for developers but as you can see :D	02:14
GAN900	lcuk, I thought about going in the other room but thought to myself "Meh, calendar.". g	02:14
GAN900	javispedro, excuses, excuses.	02:14
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javispedro	many thanks though to the UI gentlemen who tried to teach me something :)	02:14
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lcuk	heh javis, who was that	02:15
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javispedro	I already forgot the names... :P :(	02:16
lcuk	martin grimm had the fm radio concepted over the course of a couple of days i tihnk	02:16
lcuk	1:1 the pair of em seemed to be able to bounce the ideas off each other well, was one of hte great parts of the weekend to see	02:17
VDVsx	javispedro, watch the youtube videos, some of them are there :p	02:17
GAN900	VDVsx, I'm embarassed to say I didn't realize that was yerga at dinner until I asked about the maemo.org talk. <_<	02:17
VDVsx	lol	02:18
VDVsx	javispedro, took me some time to realize from where I knew some of the faces at the ux workshop, lol	02:18
GAN900	As we were wandering around I was thinking "Who is this guy?" "I should probably ask, but it's probably somebody I should know. . . ."	02:19
wazd	oh, fm radio was there too, nice	02:19
wazd	It's like I've been there by myself :D	02:20
* Arkenoi synced calendar with goolge (set up a new one, then it works). the contacts problem remains.. for email i used nokia messaging		02:20
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javispedro	VDVsx: you mean the ux ones? or are there maebar videos in yt?	02:20
VDVsx	javispedro, http://www.youtube.com/user/Maemo5UITeam	02:20
javispedro	VDVsx: yeah, the ux ones :) saw them	02:21
* DocScrutinizer51 is going to set up a live podcast so you can feel with me and my suffering :-(		02:21
javispedro	oh, I can get names this way	02:21
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GAN900	I'm glad I got some opportunities to chat with daniel. Really awesome dude.	02:21
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lcuk	+10	02:22
ali1234	zgold: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUl_eqCX_yM	02:22
VDVsx	GAN900, blame maemo.org avatars, we had the same problem at the airport waiting fro yerga	02:22
lcuk	haha	02:22
GAN900	Yeah, they really should be bigger.	02:22
lcuk	but we had his headshot available	02:22
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VDVsx	lcuk, true	02:22
GAN900	and yours looks absolutely nothing like you by the way. :P	02:23
VDVsx	with a strange hat	02:23
lcuk	GAN900, whos?	02:23
GAN900	VDVsx's	02:23
lcuk	heh imagine my surprise when i met javis	02:23
VDVsx	i'm prettier I know :P	02:23
GAN900	Ehehe	02:23
* javispedro recognized lcuk though		02:23
xorAxAx	hrw\|gone: you mean opensync 0.39? thats considered unstable	02:23
DocScrutinizer51	duh, N900 cam has a natural gift to take scary pasport portraits	02:24
javispedro	even though I had my doubts firstly :)	02:24
lcuk	i would really like to use maemo.org avatars for contacts and meetups and chat	02:24
VDVsx	javispedro, did you recognized me too ?	02:24
GAN900	lcuk, yeah, I totally wouldn't have placed him except for the weird looks he was giving me across the table Friday morning. :D	02:24
javispedro	VDVsx: nope	02:24
VDVsx	eheh	02:24
* lcuk had to ask before i kicked ur ass		02:24
javispedro	VDVsx: even though don't change your avatar, it looks cool :)	02:24
javispedro	s/even though/but	02:24
GAN900	javispedro, he just has to open his mouth. :D	02:24
VDVsx	lol	02:25
GAN900	lcuk, we need to get a badge format for all events.	02:25
javispedro	hehe	02:25
lcuk	we have n900s	02:25
GAN900	Based in the Summit 2009 one.	02:25
lcuk	lanyards and barcodes	02:25
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GAN900	I kept getting "Yes, I know"'s when I introduced myself to people.	02:26
VDVsx	javispedro, so you spot my name in the badge ?	02:26
lcuk	haha	02:26
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GAN900	So I think my avatar is pretty good. :D	02:26
javispedro	VDVsx: I don't remember, how we met? :P	02:26
javispedro	hehe	02:26
javispedro	GAN900: agreed	02:26
* DocScrutinizer51 feels like getting a spae back cover and W spare stylii eventually		02:26
GAN900	VDVsx, I hardly got any names from the tiny ass bad text.	02:26
VDVsx	javispedro, you talked to me at the breakfast	02:27
javispedro	ah	02:27
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GAN900	You should be able to read those things inconspicuously so you can look like a super badass knowing everybody. :D	02:27
VDVsx	lol, true	02:27
GAN900	Dave and conny I recognized right off at breakfast	02:28
GAN900	Same with Gary	02:28
VDVsx	the summit ones were pretty good for that	02:28
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DocScrutinizer51	GAN900, nearfield RF	02:28
javispedro	VDVsx: iirc your face ringed a bell so I had a look at your badge	02:28
lcuk	adhoc wifi	02:29
GAN900	David was also very identifiable	02:29
GAN900	as was Quim	02:29
lcuk	know whos in the room with a recent pic downloaded from local device	02:29
GAN900	danielwilms I wouldn't have placed had Mary not introduced him.	02:29
GAN900	RevdKathy was wearing a freaking bear sweater, so no issue there.	02:30
VDVsx	GAN900, yeah, the avatars pic is very different	02:30
VDVsx	lol	02:30
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GAN900	RevdKathy was wearing a freaking bear sweater, so no issue there.	02:30
GAN900	zoops	02:30
GAN900	Martin I didn't connect for a while.	02:30
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Arkenoi	nokia customer support navigation on the web site is pure schizophrenic crap. trying to find where i do report problems with nokia messaging, it is non-obvious to say the least	02:31
prometoys	hi, what is the device name of the n900 in linux, if I connect it as a modem (pc suite mode)	02:31
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GAN900	Sebastian I knew as soon as he pulled out that freaking 770. :D	02:31
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VDVsx	GAN900, me neither, but I read his badge and introduced myself :P , never saw Martin's pic IIRC	02:32
GAN900	Yeah, nor I.	02:32
GAN900	anidel was really obvious.	02:32
VDVsx	not for me at the summit	02:33
javispedro	i missed xournal's session though :( got pulled into the formation track because somehow I ended up helping someone fix his sbox problems :)	02:33
VDVsx	eheh	02:34
GAN900	lol	02:34
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GAN900	Victor and Vicky were awesome to have around.	02:35
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DocScrutinizer51	prometoys, nokia-n900-xx-yy?	02:36
VDVsx	GAN900, ehehe, I've a friend a BCN that studies in the same university, he did some promotion of the event for me, but victor and vicky already knew about the event	02:36
DocScrutinizer51	prometoys, dunno, never iused pc-suite	02:37
prometoys	DocScrutinizer51: oh, sorry. I mean on a linux host, not the hostname of the n900 :)	02:37
prometoys	i want to talk with the n900 as a modem with AT commands, but don't know where to connect (dev path).	02:37
VDVsx	GAN900, my friend got the "A flue", bahh	02:37
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javispedro	haha	02:37
javispedro	they're going to close my uni now	02:37
VDVsx	ouch	02:37
javispedro	na, not yet :)	02:38
GAN900	VDVsx, between you, andy80, and Victor I practically didn't have to worry about anything.	02:38
javispedro	but you don't know much they fear h1n1 here	02:38
GAN900	It was perfect. :D	02:38
jebba	ok, so irssi took 25 minutes to build on Nokia's build server. It took 1 minute 22 seconds on my laptop. This means it might take up to four hours to build my package (just the ARM version--another 4 hours for x86). Plus queue time. Hmm. And if there is one error? Yay, get to start over.	02:38
Arkenoi	why does MfE set up "mail for exchange" email folder even if i do not sync email?	02:38
GAN900	I didn't see much evidence on this trip.	02:38
VDVsx	GAN900, we had some cleaning 'gel' at the hotel	02:38
javispedro	jebba: maemo.org 's server, and then it spends most of the time installing build-deps	02:39
VDVsx	I didn't use it :P	02:39
GAN900	VDVsx, nor I.	02:39
DocScrutinizer51	jebba, nokia build servers are on 286	02:39
GAN900	Oh, by the way, the two-button toilets were what I think they were for, right?	02:39
VDVsx	DocScrutinizer, incorrect	02:39
VDVsx	DocScrutinizer, 770	02:39
javispedro	:)	02:39
jebba	installing builddeps for irssi? Most of the time just for that? hmm... builddeps should install in like seconds.... javispedro	02:40
VDVsx	GAN900, probably, it's normal here	02:40
Seulement	hm, anyone else using Tear and webchat.freenode?	02:40
GAN900	VDVsx, yeah, just one "mode" over here.	02:40
VDVsx	to save water	02:40
GAN900	and usually a lever, not a button	02:40
GAN900	Indeed	02:40
javispedro	jebba: get a 770 and tell me if apt-get install anything is faster than building three, four or even five "average sized" .c files	02:40
ali1234	zgold: it turns out the psx emulator for iphone is open source, and also compiles for pandora etc. so that should a) work better and b) be even easier to get running	02:41
* GAN900 took long American showers. :D		02:41
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GAN900	Ok, landing.	02:42
GAN900	Later.	02:42
javispedro	see you	02:42
VDVsx	see you	02:42
javispedro	here, yet another ad about h1n1 prevention	02:42
prometoys	hi, did one of you try to use the n900 as a modem on a desktop/laptop?	02:42
jaem_	prometoys, works with the N810, so I'm sure it would work	02:43
VDVsx	ahah they guy is funny -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpdvPdzuy6M&feature=player_embedded	02:43
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jaem_	prometoys, this might be of some use: http://ffejery.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/internet-sharing-with-the-n810-or-how-to-make-a-400-wlan-adapter/	02:43
DocScrutinizer51	prometoys, me not yet	02:44
prometoys	jaem_, it works here for me to (n900+ubuntu via network-manager), but I just want to find out the dev path, so I can connect for AT commands	02:44
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prometoys	anidel about n900 as modem: http://anidel.blogspot.com/2009/10/n900-as-modem-for-ubuntu-910.html	02:46
DocScrutinizer51	jaem_, I wonder what N810 could possibly do to bring internet to a laptop	02:46
jebba	javispedro: wtf 770?	02:46
javispedro	jebba: rumour has garage is on a 770 =)	02:46
jebba	ya, but wtf is a 770?	02:46
DocScrutinizer51	hehe	02:47
javispedro	the original internet tablet.	02:47
SpeedEvil	770 is old.	02:47
hardaker	what piece of broken code is deciding when to turn the keyboard light on and off? And is it in the public repo so I can fix it???	02:47
jebba	ah heh	02:47
SpeedEvil	My brother has one	02:47
javispedro	as jsmanrique said, don't mess with the 770!	02:47
jaem_	DocScrutinizer, I don't follow...	02:47
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Seulement	the 770 is still a sexy steam-scifi loooking piece	02:48
SpeedEvil	hardaker: the LEDs are controlled by /sys/LED//kb* or something	02:48
wiretapped	770 FOR LIFE	02:48
DocScrutinizer51	hardaker, tell me!	02:48
SpeedEvil	hardaker: but I diddn't find what softare runs	02:48
* wiretapped crosses arms		02:48
hardaker	just turned on/off like three times when I was entering a twitter message.	02:48
javispedro	VDVsx: a n900 with diablo! (that optima thing) lol	02:48
hardaker	wiretapped: you're just bitter because they didn't send your n900 yet.	02:49
Seulement	got someone locally that is selling a like-new 770 for $75...im tempted	02:49
hardaker	wiretapped: btw, could you see the snow on the foothills from SF? or was it only on my side?	02:49
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wiretapped	hardaker: i have not seen any snow recently, but i haven't looked at distant mountains either	02:49
Seulement	you can see the snow on the hills in San Jose	02:49
hardaker	there was snow this morning on the hills around fairfield/berryessa as seen from the sac area	02:50
Xisdibik	hardaker: there was snow on my deck this morning but it was gone by like 9:30am	02:50
Xisdibik	and im on the west side of the mountains in berkeley	02:51
hardaker	berkeley? dang, that's low.	02:51
Seulement	did you take a temperature reading with your nit? ;)	02:51
Xisdibik	hardaker: not that low, my house is at the top of the hills, ~600-900 feet	02:52
hardaker	ah.	02:52
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DocScrutinizer51	SpeedEvil, the tool is nice, but only helps to get clear tecxt .NMEA.from GPS	02:53
VDVsx	javispedro, its a tablet!!! I think some tmo folks are happy now ;)	02:54
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: and cellphone positioning	02:54
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: I'm unsure what the multiple modes are	02:54
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DocScrutinizer51	yep	02:55
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DocScrutinizer51	SpeedEvil, dgoogle might help. dunno	02:55
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SpeedEvil	maybe	02:56
SpeedEvil	I haven't been doing much today other than failing my driving test.	02:56
jaem_	SpeedEvil, lol	02:56
SpeedEvil	Brake caliper froze on the way.	02:56
jaem_	oops	02:56
javispedro	VDVsx: it's a phone! or at least, the video shows a dialpad	02:56
DocScrutinizer51	SpeedEvil, :-/	02:56
SpeedEvil	Had to pull off the wheel, hammer lots on the caliper, which seems to have fixed temporarily, then got to the test centre exhausted. Diddn't improve from there.	02:57
javispedro	(with the usual fugly el-cheapo style)	02:57
DocScrutinizer51	SpeedEvil, double :-/	02:57
VDVsx	javispedro, only voip I think	02:58
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DocScrutinizer51	what? voip works great!	02:59
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DocScrutinizer51	even over HSPA here	02:59
DocScrutinizer51	O2 loop, to whom it may concern	03:01
DocScrutinizer51	25 bucks / month	03:01
Vratha	what's 25 / mo.?	03:02
Vratha	sorry, i can't scroll up	03:02
Vratha	and i'm nosy	03:02
DocScrutinizer51	5GB HSPA "flat"	03:02
jaem_	DocScrutinizer, Rogers, in Canada here, pulled a Verizon, and told me that data overages were "0.3 cents" per Megabyte	03:03
DocScrutinizer51	I'm using this very momet	03:03
jaem_	...instead of 0.30 dollars	03:03
jaem_	>_<	03:03
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Vratha	ah	03:04
DocScrutinizer51	old europe here XD	03:04
Vratha	i'm waiting for t-mo USA to release HSDPA here in the NY area	03:04
jaem_	the rep was very happily informing me that I could pay for a 512MB plan, and then use 1GB of data for "only $5 more in overages"	03:04
Vratha	they have it in chicago	03:04
Vratha	but i pay $50 / mo. for 500 anytime minutes, unlimited text and web	03:04
jaem_	not only was he off by two orders of magnitude on the overage fee, but he also can't multiply	03:04
Vratha	no contract	03:04
GiantTalkingCow	Old Europe? As opposed to the new one they opened earlier this year, I suppose?	03:04
Vratha	it's half as much as i paid on AT&T	03:04
jaem_	GiantTalkingCow, yeah, new europe's all the rage these days	03:05
Vratha	though my t-mo connection doesn't work as well as AT&T	03:05
GiantTalkingCow	jaem_: Do tell.	03:05
DocScrutinizer51	old europes a of double-who bush	03:05
* SpeedEvil is really happy with his pay-as-you-go deal.		03:07
SpeedEvil	t-mobile UK.	03:07
SpeedEvil	20 pounds ($35 US) for 6 months of internet at 1G/mo cap	03:07
Xisdibik	Vratha: you pay 59.99 for that	03:08
SpeedEvil	And no other charges if i don't make any calls.	03:08
Vratha	Xisdibik: no, i pay $50	03:08
Vratha	Xisdibik: they're undercharging me	03:08
Xisdibik	lol	03:08
Vratha	i just don't tell them that	03:08
Xisdibik	im gonna!	03:08
Vratha	hehehe	03:08
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Xisdibik	even so though	03:08
Xisdibik	59.99 for that is still a great deal	03:08
Vratha	yeah, i thought so	03:08
Xisdibik	for similar specs i was paying 101.xx at AT&T	03:08
Vratha	yeah, same here	03:09
Vratha	though, with AT&T, i get 3g in more places, and AT&T's 3g is 3x as fast	03:09
Vratha	at least in this area (about 30 mi. north of NYC)	03:09
Xisdibik	really? where i am i actualy tend to find Tmobiles 3g faster	03:09
Xisdibik	in SF	03:09
Xisdibik	and berkeley	03:09
Vratha	ah, i hear AT&T is really bad there	03:09
Xisdibik	too many damn Iphone users	03:09
Xisdibik	i swear every single person on the train ride home has one	03:09
Xisdibik	cept me	03:10
Vratha	haha, yeah	03:10
DocScrutinizer51	SpeedEvil, incredible	03:10
Vratha	i have one	03:10
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: surprised me.	03:10
Vratha	i like my iphone, but when i cancel the AT&T contract, it'll just be a nice ipod video	03:10
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DocScrutinizer51	SpeedEvil, sure you own your own ass?	03:11
Vratha	so, when i install a new widget on my maemo device, exactly how do i place those on my desktop?	03:11
Vratha	they aren't showing up by default	03:11
DocScrutinizer51	Vratha, RTFM?	03:12
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: I read the contract carefully - it doesn't even say no VOIP	03:12
Vratha	DocScrutinizer51: i did. it said not to ask you	03:13
DocScrutinizer51	almost scary	03:13
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DocScrutinizer51	Vratha, good	03:13
kevloral	Vratha: Click anywhere on the Maemo desktop background. You should see a "engine" icon on the top right. Click on it. It will be shown a menu bar containing "Desktop menu" and "Done". Click on "Desktop menu". You should now see a menu with 4 buttons. Click on the "Add widget" button.	03:14
Vratha	kevloral: ah, i have kept trying that. the "Desktop menu" isn't responding i guess	03:14
Vratha	i thought i was just doing the wrong thing	03:14
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Vratha	maybe it has to do with the fact that i've added/removed various packages today. maybe i'll have to reboot the device	03:15
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Vratha	oh, psh. as it shut down, i saw all the widgets that hadn't appeared	03:16
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Vratha	ooooh, there we go	03:18
Vratha	a reboot fixed that menu	03:18
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toggles_w	ls	03:24
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jebba	are there any alternative repos to extras-devel and such? Like ala rpmfusion, that isn't associated directly with maemo/nokia?	03:25
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GAN900	Er	03:27
GAN900	maemo.org isn't associated with Nokia	03:27
GAN900	It's a community owned repo.	03:27
DocScrutinizer51	jebba, toolsÄ	03:27
DocScrutinizer51	?	03:28
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GiantTalkingCow	Isn't it? Funny, I wasn't aware of that.	03:30
jebba	GAN900: it's a community repo? Who owns the build boxes?	03:31
jebba	i just assumed it was all on nokia hardware	03:31
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jebba	afaict it's a community project in the same way fedora is (e.g. server hardware/infrastructure by Red Hat/Nokia)	03:42
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Sir_Lancelot	I'm gonna buy a N900 because of Maemo.org	03:51
Sir_Lancelot	it seems to be growing a lot every day now	03:51
Sir_Lancelot	it offers the support and new apps that no else we could get it....	03:52
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jebba	oh ya, maemo.org is fantastic, no doubt. I just want it to be faster :)	03:55
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Gandalfimus	it's not the snappiest true .. but it works very well. I think with a few updates it will be much snappier and quicker	03:58
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jebba	damn build failed on builder	04:00
jebba	well, there went 6 horus.	04:00
jebba	hours	04:00
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DocScrutinizer	maemo has crossed the line between doom and self-nourishing momentum. For sure	04:03
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Proteous	slow dooooooommm	04:03
DocScrutinizer	jebba: horus is an ancient aegyptian god, no? XD	04:03
Proteous	the kind of doom that is slow moving and easy to avoid	04:03
jebba	heh ya, iirc	04:03
jebba	the kind of doom that just needs a few faster servers...	04:04
jebba	gah. dammit	04:04
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pwnguin	probably not good that the 2nd item on the games list is "bullshit bingo"	04:04
DocScrutinizer	OM is establishing it's existance on the other side of that line. regretably	04:05
jebba	anyway, i should have anticipated the build fail. Asterisk does something pretty atypical by default in that it goes out to Digium's servers and downloads the sound files and the build failed on this. I imagine the build server doesn't allow this. I'm not certain how to work around it either. Hmm.	04:05
jebba	pwnguin: ya, i was surprised to see that. Good to see the anarchist faq too heh.	04:05
AakashPatel	riiiicoollaaa	04:05
pwnguin	jebba: i liked the instructions for when you win bsbingo	04:06
AakashPatel	Is the Ovi store live yet on the n900?	04:06
AakashPatel	Oh and whoever said that the skype integration lets you make video calls	04:07
AakashPatel	WRONGGG	04:07
ali1234	ok now where getting somewhere. psx4all is MUCH faster	04:08
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PaulFertser	Hey guys, SpeedEvil, here's my detailed letter inquiring information about n900 hostmode capabilities: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/22757	04:09
ali1234	unfortunately the graphics are all messed up, and sound doesn't work	04:09
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ali1234	PaulFertser: one thing you got to know, host mode has almost nothing to do with OTG	04:10
ali1234	that is, host mode can work just fine without the OTG pull ups/fifth pin - which are just there to provide role switching capabilities	04:10
PaulFertser	ali1234: i know that, isn't it clear from my letter?	04:10
PaulFertser	;)	04:11
ali1234	not really	04:11
PaulFertser	ali1234: please clarify	04:11
ali1234	you're asking if OTG works - OTG isn't a prerequisite for host mode	04:11
ali1234	except for point 0	04:11
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PaulFertser	ali1234: i'm asking mostly about the hostmode. OTG would be nice to have but not mandatory.	04:12
PaulFertser	ali1234: probably my english is too clumsy or i shouldn't write letters at 5am but i thought it's all obvious from the letter.	04:12
ali1234	i dunno, that's just what i see	04:12
PaulFertser	Let's see what SpeedEvil says ;)	04:13
pwnguin	AakashPatel: skype is available? i just see a "go to m.skype.blah and download" with no n900 offering =(	04:13
ali1234	if you're going to ask difficult questions like this, you have to ask them with incedible levels of accuracy, otherwise some politician will answer only the parts he feels like answering :)	04:13
AakashPatel	pwnguin: On the n900?	04:13
AakashPatel	Its integrated	04:13
ali1234	pwnguin: skype is available ootb	04:13
pwnguin	is it integrated with telepathy or something?	04:14
PaulFertser	ali1234: i hoped to get an answer from an engineer, not a politician. I wouldn't even try to ask those liers about anything :\|	04:14
ali1234	pwnguin: yes	04:15
AakashPatel	PaulFertser: ???	04:15
AakashPatel	oh nvm	04:15
AakashPatel	We need to get facebook chat workin on thsi thing >.<	04:15
jebba	LOL : "Haven't you said it the last week? And the week before the last? And the week before... This is starting to look like a weird cargo cult."	04:16
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ali1234	PaulFertser: you might want to ask on the linux-omap lists, i know that TI engineers and nokia kernel devs are on that list. of course, it would be kind of off-topic, so you might get flamed	04:16
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PaulFertser	ali1234: i have 6 questions listed, none of them can be misinterpreted in a way to allow someone to answer "we do not have id pin connected, so OTG is impossible, so you better shutup".	04:16
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PaulFertser	ali1234: Stskeeps and Andre said they would probably take care of contacting the right guys once the questions are clearly set.	04:17
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GAN900	jebba, we do.	04:25
GAN900	jebba, finances the hardware and bandwidth	04:25
GAN900	er, Nokia	04:25
GAN900	But they don't "own" it.	04:26
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Sir_Lancelot	Hey Gandalfimus	04:30
Sir_Lancelot	:D	04:30
Gandalfimus	;)	04:31
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jebba	hmm. Any way to do this: I send a text message to "150" with "saldo" and it gives me my balance. A shortcut on my desktop for that would be nice (e.g. with "saldo" in it too--not just the contact "name")	04:37
jebba	maybe some dbus foo	04:38
AakashPatel	hmmm	04:38
AakashPatel	we can run USSD codes?	04:38
AakashPatel	cant*	04:38
AakashPatel	like #646*	04:38
PaulFertser	AakashPatel: you can do that manually with at commands	04:38
AakashPatel	orly	04:38
AakashPatel	Do you know the command?	04:39
AakashPatel	Or a link	04:39
PaulFertser	AakashPatel: AT+CUSD=1,"*102#",15	04:41
PaulFertser	AakashPatel: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357	04:41
povbot`	Bug 5357: Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *#	04:41
AakashPatel	whats the '15' part?	04:41
jebba	and how do you even send that to the phone?	04:42
jebba	ooooh dbus-send --system --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:"$1" uint32:0	04:42
AakashPatel	o.O	04:43
PaulFertser	jebba: no, i'm afraid that won't work. CSD is not ussd	04:43
PaulFertser	jebba: nokia decided to use a proprietary telephony stack, i'm not even sure if api docs are available. So you're on your own until ofono is ready. For more details please read the ticket. ;)	04:44
jebba	PaulFertser: what won't work=	04:44
jebba	?	04:44
AakashPatel	'AT'	04:44
AakashPatel	command not found :)	04:44
PaulFertser	AakashPatel: 15 is the "language parameter", most probably can be omitted.	04:45
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AakashPatel	Ah	04:45
jebba	PaulFertser: the above works for making calls. Not sure about the # part of it though as I dont have a number to call with that	04:45
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AakashPatel	On AT&T it lets me check my mins and data usage	04:46
DocScrutinizer	PaulFertser: can you please translate the website #5357 refers to? I have no idea how to talk to modem directly	04:46
Sir_Lancelot	anyone here thinking about developing an equalizer for N900?	04:47
Sir_Lancelot	:P	04:47
AakashPatel	I think it just uses a buncha "at" commands	04:47
DocScrutinizer	Sir_Lancelot: should integrate into whatever player for mp3 you use	04:47
DocScrutinizer	Sir_Lancelot: (though I'm not sure there might be ALSA controls for usual bass/teble adjustment in soundchip)	04:48
PaulFertser	DocScrutinizer: i've no idea as well except connecting it to a PC where it should provide cdc_acm interface i think.	04:48
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jebba	AakashPatel: try running this:	04:48
jebba	dbus-send --system --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:"#646*" uint32:0	04:48
DocScrutinizer	AakashPatel: that's been to me? sure it uses AT. but which ttySx??	04:49
AakashPatel	what jebba said i guess lol	04:49
AakashPatel	thats a shit load to copy paste haha	04:49
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AakashPatel	by hand D:	04:49
DocScrutinizer	jebba: you're incredible - I toldya yet?	04:50
PaulFertser	AakashPatel: i think it won't work anyway. You can initiate a call this way but not a ussd request.	04:50
AakashPatel	ah hmm	04:50
jebba	AakashPatel: try it.	04:51
AakashPatel	I dont wanna type it thoug hahah	04:51
jebba	cut and paste it? want me to mail it to your fone or something heh	04:52
AakashPatel	sure lol	04:52
AakashPatel	aakashbpatel	04:52
jebba	@gmail?	04:52
AakashPatel	yeah	04:52
jebba	1 sec	04:52
AakashPatel	k	04:53
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jebba	AakashPatel: sent. I even did it as an attached shell script ;)	04:55
AakashPatel	haha thanks	04:55
AakashPatel	eh...still no emailz	04:56
AakashPatel	yay	04:56
DocScrutinizer	jebba: s///	04:58
jebba	?	04:59
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DocScrutinizer	not going to investigate further today. Still good to get your remarks, so I know what to do tomorrow	04:59
jebba	s/// is nothign.	05:00
DocScrutinizer	[2009-12-08 03:50:13] <DocScrutinizer> jebba: you're incredible - I toldya yet?	05:00
DocScrutinizer	better?	05:00
jebba	ahhaha	05:00
DocScrutinizer	gn8	05:01
AakashPatel	lawl wtf	05:01
AakashPatel	i saved it in Documents	05:01
AakashPatel	but its not in there	05:01
* AakashPatel plugs in his phoen to his comp		05:01
jebba	nite	05:02
AakashPatel	why does hte phone have Mac OS folder?	05:02
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AakashPatel	jebba: all that does is launch the phone app	05:04
AakashPatel	and call that number	05:04
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microlith	woohoo	05:07
microlith	newegg order confirmation on my N900	05:07
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jebba	:)	05:08
AakashPatel	sweet microlith	05:08
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microlith	I only hope it arrives within the next week	05:08
AakashPatel	Lol i ordered from nokia on sunday, shipped monday, arrived tuesday	05:10
microlith	which I was hoping to happen	05:10
microlith	but alas...	05:10
AakashPatel	on the rebate they have	05:12
AakashPatel	you have toactivate the ovi store on the device	05:12
AakashPatel	but ovi store doesnt exist yet for it :\|	05:12
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DocScrutinizer51	freaking. charges for >1h now. bat was at 95%	05:14
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DocScrutinizer51	well, chartging LiIon is real fun	05:15
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microlith	for now	05:17
microlith	time to replace my aspire one's fan	05:17
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jebba	weird. ofono builds fine in fedora 12 fine, but not in scratchbox. dang.	05:20
fredrin	what's up?	05:20
Vratha	hmm	05:20
fredrin	everytihng good with the n900 these days	05:20
Vratha	someone yesterday was asking this, but is there a command-line maemo app for sending/receiving SMSes?	05:20
fredrin	would smstools3 work?	05:20
Vratha	fredrin: well, front-facing video camera doesn't work with skype yet, and assisted GPS isn't working for me where i am	05:21
fredrin	exist for the freerunner	05:21
Vratha	fredrin: hmm, probably quite nicely. i'll check it out	05:21
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ShadowJK	doc: I suspect it's a bit random about when/where it says battery full :)	05:21
fredrin	Vratha: did not know that there was a plan to make the front camera work with skype	05:22
fredrin	that's sweet	05:22
jebba	hmm. think it's make 3.80 v 3.81 issue	05:22
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fredrin	hopefully both cams in the long run	05:22
Vratha	fredrin: well, i don't know if there is a plan for that. but it'd be nice to use it for some sort of video conferencing	05:22
fredrin	or at parties	05:22
fredrin	;D	05:23
fredrin	with girls	05:23
Vratha	or for sex calls with your significant other :-D	05:23
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: end of charging is detected by charge curerent falling below a certain threshold	05:23
fredrin	i'll make a payperview	05:23
Vratha	haha	05:23
fredrin	docscrutinizer: not in bed yet?	05:23
fredrin	I'm just woke up...	05:24
fredrin	skipped a day....	05:24
DocScrutinizer	depending in actual circuit (maybe moden is fed directly by battery) and setup of this threshold, end-of-charge detection might take quite a time	05:24
DocScrutinizer	fredrin: seems I never really sleep ;-)	05:24
fredrin	not with the 900 in your hands	05:24
Vratha	i noticed my n900 really likes to suck down the battery	05:24
DocScrutinizer	take a light nap sometimes - or fall inconcious	05:24
fredrin	0clock	05:25
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DocScrutinizer	yeah	05:25
DocScrutinizer	kinda	05:25
fredrin	heheh	05:25
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DocScrutinizer	(might take quite a time) or sometimes never is detected at all, slowly charging battery to nirvany	05:26
DocScrutinizer	s/ny/na/	05:26
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: (might take quite a time) or sometimes never is detected at all, slowly charging battery to nirvana	05:26
jebba	needed to build libmm-dev to build package for smstools. But it all appears to build no problem.	05:27
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DocScrutinizer	(bat charge) see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers	05:29
* jebba building for ARM...		05:29
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fredrin	jebba: kool	05:34
fredrin	neh, play some quakelive	05:35
Vratha	fredrin: is smstools in the Extras-devel or something?	05:35
fredrin	dont know	05:35
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Vratha	fredrin: i don't see it, and i'm using Extras and Extras-testing	05:36
fredrin	i don't have a n900 yet :(	05:36
Vratha	okay	05:36
Vratha	ah	05:36
fredrin	working on getting the money	05:36
fredrin	but it should be imho :)	05:36
fredrin	i guess it could be used for many cool things	05:36
redeeman	just logged 11 bugs :)	05:37
fredrin	respect	05:37
redeeman	i just hope nokia looks at them	05:38
simula_	dang, anybody know a shortcut to allowing me to run shell scripts in MyDocs?	05:40
simula_	i have already changed my fstab to remove noexec (and the script that was wiping my changes to fstab)	05:41
Vratha	i have to say, i love the Sheevaplug	05:41
Vratha	it just replaced my previous low power network server that had a fan in it	05:41
simula_	sheevaplug does look cool	05:41
Vratha	but this is smaller and uses 1/4 the power of even that, and it has no fan!	05:41
Vratha	and i have the cutest 4 gb usb flash drive hooked into the back of it.... some really small pny drive	05:42
Vratha	simula_: yeah, it's very sleek	05:42
jebba	hmm, debconf is broken	05:42
Vratha	only annoying thing is they haven't dropped the price yet, and it's been out there for months	05:42
Vratha	and i may want to buy another one, and they don't have wifi built in yet	05:42
DocScrutinizer	just stopped counting on 15 non-ticketed bugs / flaws	05:42
DocScrutinizer	I know I'm a lazy idiot ;-/	05:43
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Vratha	DocScrutinizer: you talking about the openmoko?	05:43
DocScrutinizer	nah	05:43
DocScrutinizer	N900	05:43
Vratha	DocScrutinizer: oh, you have found that many bugs? i've noticed quite a few as well	05:44
Vratha	the software definitely seems incomplete	05:44
jebba	WTF is this?=?	05:44
jebba	fakedebconf 0.0.2 Debian Configuration Management System (fake)	05:44
DocScrutinizer	no showstopper though, which I'm quite pleased about	05:44
DocScrutinizer	actually maemo5 is of amazing state of maturity	05:45
DocScrutinizer	kudos to the devels	05:45
Vratha	DocScrutinizer: yeah, no show stoppers	05:45
Vratha	yeah, but nokia needs to invest more heavily in that section if they want to phase out symbian	05:46
DocScrutinizer	the never planned to do that	05:46
Vratha	they need search in the email, working A-GPS (on t-mobile at least), and a few other things	05:46
DocScrutinizer	(phase out 60)	05:46
redeeman	docScrutinizer, Vratha: what kind of bugs did you find?	05:46
Vratha	well, they want maemo to be the flagship MID OS	05:46
Vratha	they also need to make it so firefox (i.e. maemo browser) doesn't crash so often	05:47
Vratha	hehe	05:47
redeeman	i really hope N900 will get maemo 6, and it will have all moved to Qt and the old stuff removed	05:47
redeeman	i haven't had firefox crash on it(ofcourse i've disabled flash)	05:47
Vratha	redeeman: i think it will. that would be kind of dick to leave us in the dust after spending all that money on it	05:47
redeeman	well that depends on how long it takes	05:47
DocScrutinizer	I don't give a sh*t about Qt vs GTK	05:47
Vratha	should be next year	05:47
simula_	yeah.... it would be nice, but i'm not expecting maemo6	05:48
DocScrutinizer	has to work	05:48
redeeman	imo the current maemo gtk wierdness is really too messy to deal with	05:48
redeeman	its fine for usage, but theres NO way im gonna touch it	05:48
redeeman	and i'd like to touch it and make it better	05:48
simula_	i'm a big Qt fellar and i'm in full agreement with DocScrutinizer	05:48
DocScrutinizer	though for developing, probably Qt is way more fun	05:48
redeeman	that's also why i bought the N900, i knew it was gonna be like this, but since im just gonna do my own Qt applications, that's okay	05:49
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Vratha	i would like to see android running in a jvm	05:50
redeeman	theres some things in maemo i must say i really like	05:50
redeeman	for instance, the voip/phone integration, excellent	05:50
Vratha	oh, yeah	05:50
Vratha	that is nice	05:50
redeeman	and the way the multi-language dictionary works	05:50
redeeman	seriously superb compared to SE phones	05:50
redeeman	i had to switch constantly on my SE T700	05:50
redeeman	and it was deep in a menu	05:50
redeeman	(English/Danish)	05:51
Vratha	a major thing that will help the n900 is them opening the ovi store	05:51
redeeman	also, on the SE, you constantly manipulate the dictionary word, on the N900 you can choose its suggestion if you want, that's very nice	05:51
DocScrutinizer	I like ~. period	05:51
Vratha	then people can start putting for-money apps up	05:51
Vratha	i'd take advantage of that	05:51
redeeman	why is it called ovi store?	05:51
Vratha	no clue	05:51
redeeman	isn't it nokia doing it?	05:51
redeeman	and ovi maps, that's quite weird	05:52
DocScrutinizer	ovi == nokia	05:52
redeeman	yes but why ovi then?	05:52
smackpotato	ovi is finnish for bargin	05:52
DocScrutinizer	better sound? dunno	05:52
jebba	uh, ok, so i have smstools3 built, installed, and the daemon is up and running, but i have no idea how to use it. WHo was it that requested this? haha	05:52
redeeman	yes well that's IMO retarded to call stuff	05:52
smackpotato	well it might be	05:52
jebba	Vratha: fredrin: you know how to use it?	05:52
redeeman	when i first saw the ovi name, i thought "wtf, some third party app store? distrust!"	05:53
DocScrutinizer	jebba: lol	05:53
Vratha	jebba: i requested it. did you just use apt-get for that? are you using extras-devel?	05:53
DocScrutinizer	wtf smstools3??	05:54
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jebba	Vratha: i built the package. I could put it in extras-devel, but it would take a month. It's not /optified either, and would have to be optified manually.	05:54
Vratha	DocScrutinizer: command-line SMS sender/receiver	05:54
jebba	(really pretty ugly how it does thigns=	05:54
DocScrutinizer	hmmm, c..c..coo..ol	05:54
jebba	Vratha: i just see a daemon though, not a command line program	05:54
Vratha	jebba: hmm, i guess i could build myself then	05:54
Vratha	jebba: ah, that sucks	05:54
jebba	you know how it works?	05:55
Vratha	thought it came with some sort of apps to make it easy to pop off a quick SMS from the CLI	05:55
jebba	have you used it on another system?	05:55
Vratha	no	05:55
Vratha	never had a reason until now, because i have unlimited texting with my account	05:55
Vratha	so, if nokia doesn't release maemo 6 for the n900, won't we just be able to build it ourselves and install it?	05:56
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* DocScrutinizer suspects some dbus call existing, to do "dbsu-send foo/gsm/sms foo/gsm/smstext="hi there" foo/gsm/smsnumber_to="123456" "		05:57
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redeeman	Vratha: it would seem many components are closed	05:59
DocScrutinizer	Vratha: (maemo6) that's a rather fictional question. Answer: who knows, maybe	05:59
Vratha	redeeman: ah	05:59
DocScrutinizer	first of all: what is maemo6	05:59
redeeman	perhaps they will do it differently with maemo6, have more open	05:59
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Vratha	DocScrutinizer: well, i think redeeman's answer pretty much answers the question	05:59
redeeman	if they do, it will certainly benefit them	06:00
redeeman	i would probably do lots of development on it then	06:00
jebba	Vratha: ah ya, has sample script:	06:00
jebba	sudo sh /usr/share/doc/smstools/examples/scripts/sendsms 5555555 'foo'	06:00
Vratha	jebba: you in the states? i can give you my number if you want to test it	06:00
DocScrutinizer	jebba: BEWARE!! ;-P	06:01
redeeman	for instance, most of the bugs i logged tonight (just did 2 more) i could have almost certainly fixed pretty quickly, and attached a patch	06:01
DocScrutinizer	sigh yawn	06:02
DocScrutinizer	cya	06:02
* DocScrutinizer goes to 0clock		06:02
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jebba	Vratha: well, it running and such, but can't talk to /dev/ttyS0 1, 2, or 3. Which isn't exactly surprising:	06:09
jebba	GSM1: Could not send character A, cause: Input/output error	06:09
jebba	something else, even if we knew which was the modem, would have some lock on there or be interfering for sure.	06:10
jebba	but ya, a dbus-send way of doign it is far more "correct" than smstools ;)	06:10
DocScrutinizer51	jebba, yoh	06:10
jebba	cuz there already exists a way to send SMS on the thing.	06:10
jebba	I think i even remember using a version of this program like forever ago (1990s), which would call us and send messages when servers crashed and such	06:11
jebba	...or something similar enough...	06:11
derf	Nice. extras-devel is completely empty.	06:13
kevloral	cya all	06:14
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DocScrutinizer51	jebba, yaps (or similar)? yet another pager server	06:14
DocScrutinizer51	derf, maemo tools was even 404 this eve	06:15
jebba	would be cool to have like a pastebin type site, but for .debs ;)	06:17
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DocScrutinizer51	jebba, rapidshare?	06:18
jebba	well, that's not a repo	06:19
DocScrutinizer51	or torrent	06:19
ali1234	zgold: i have psx4all running now, it's a lot faster, feels like about 50% real speed. but it crashes at the first battle	06:19
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jebba	in fact, i can't even get to rapidshare.com right now (?). If thats the site you're talking about. I've never used it i dont think.	06:19
smaug	timeless_mbp: "world clock" has a strange bug. It doesn't allow me to add a new entry for Helsinki, because it seems to think that the "local time" means Helsinki. But yet the local time is automatically adjusted to place where I am (CA)	06:20
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DocScrutinizer51	jebba, neither me	06:20
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* smaug guesses that timeless_mbp might be asleep		06:20
jebba	smaug: i have my locality set to Buenos Aires and the world clock allowed me to add buenos aires (though they show different times, due to retarded govt!)	06:20
zgold	ali1234: :-(	06:21
smaug	jebba: hmm	06:21
zgold	ali1234: still only half real speed?	06:21
smaug	I wonder what the bug is then.	06:21
smaug	I had to use Tallinn to get the time for Helsinki	06:21
DocScrutinizer51	I have a static IP and URL, and places like people.openmoko.org/joerg	06:21
ali1234	zgold: hard to say. the music still seems to play at 10% real speed but everything is quite fast	06:21
zgold	ali1234: so its not playable i take it :/	06:22
ali1234	it would be if it didn't crash	06:22
jebba	DocScrutinizer51: set up fremantle subdir, open up for uploading .debs, and run some deb cronjob that regenerates the headers :)	06:22
zgold	ali1234: any hunches on the cause of the crash?	06:22
ali1234	it's crashing somewhere in the dynarec in some crazy asm code so i have no clue how to fix it	06:22
DocScrutinizer51	duh. not now :-P	06:22
zgold	ali1234: is that something that can be tweaked, e.g. to use dynarec in different amounts?	06:23
zgold	ali1234: maybe its a bad bios?	06:23
DocScrutinizer51	jebba, you know. I'm actually not even here anymore ;)	06:23
jebba	heh	06:24
jebba	then put a simple web interface and sanity check the files to make sure they are ARM or "all" .debs :)	06:24
jebba	voila done, then go to bed :)	06:24
ali1234	zgold: it could be bios related, i'm using HLE	06:24
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ali1234	zgold: dynarec is all or nothing	06:24
DocScrutinizer51	jebba, I am in bed XD	06:25
zgold	ali1234: and i imagine without it its too slow	06:25
jebba	haha	06:25
jebba	then you can skip that step	06:25
ali1234	zgold: yes it would be as slow as the other one	06:25
zgold	ali1234: so dynarec is a good boost, what about using gl for the RGB->YUV conversions?	06:26
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DocScrutinizer51	probably get spanking in a moment - and that's not my favourite practics :-P	06:26
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ali1234	zgold: that probably wouldn't make much different	06:26
Arkenoi	Mortar does not work with 2-arrow keyboard as well :-(	06:27
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zgold	ali1234: do you see any tech being used to make it play 100%? I mean its smooth on the iphone which has the same cpu, ya?	06:27
ali1234	i don't think it is even using YUV, i think that was a bad printf in the other code	06:27
* pwnguin has a question about wifi post-connect scripting.		06:27
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pwnguin	is it possible?	06:27
ali1234	zgold: i don't see any ff7 iphone vids... different games run different speeds...	06:28
DocScrutinizer51	sure XD	06:28
zgold	ali1234: Hmmm	06:28
ali1234	here is one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOlXMkL_Y4Q	06:28
ali1234	fps:31 - that's the same speed i get	06:28
Venomrush	ff7 on n900?	06:28
ali1234	Venomrush: yes	06:29
zgold	ali1234: the iphone one doesnt seem to crash though =P	06:29
ali1234	yeah this is true	06:29
zgold	ali1234: wait	06:29
ali1234	so it is fixable somehow	06:29
zgold	thats a normal iphone 3g	06:29
zgold	not a 3gs	06:29
zgold	the comments say it runs full speed on the 3gs	06:29
ali1234	well	06:30
ali1234	i can't explain that	06:30
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Venomrush	ali1234, are you porting it/	06:30
zgold	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Vg8TjnTYE&fmt=18	06:30
ali1234	looks like it, yeah	06:30
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ali1234	here's an interesting thing: http://pastebin.com/m738691cc	06:33
ali1234	notice psx4all is only using 55% CPU	06:33
ali1234	xorg and hildon are eating the rest up	06:33
zgold	compositing?	06:33
ali1234	quite possibly	06:33
zgold	pulse @ 10% is also unreasonably high	06:34
zgold	but i sdee that too when playing normal audio	06:34
ali1234	you think? it regularly goes about 20% on my P4 desktop machine	06:34
zgold	thats retarded	06:35
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zgold	alsa uses 0% cpu for me	06:35
ali1234	it's using 4% now and i'm not even playing any sound	06:35
zgold	shrug	06:35
zgold	we need to fix X	06:35
zgold	what if you kill hildon-desktop?	06:35
DocScrutinizer51	PA is and ever was an insane cpu hog	06:35
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ali1234	yep, that made it about 20% faster	06:37
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zgold	ali1234: comparable to the iphone 3gs video?	06:38
ali1234	yeah	06:38
ali1234	sound is messed up still though	06:39
fredrin_	http://www.tehkseven.net/news/nokia-news/part-five-nokia-n900-water-test/	06:39
zgold	hmm	06:39
zgold	ali1234: I'd still ask some of the Maemo Xorg guys about X using 20% there	06:39
zgold	ali1234: i knoiw some of their emails if you want	06:40
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DocScrutinizer51	dong things like sqrt(a^2 +a^2 + b^2 + c^2 +d^2) on 4 muted streams, om 96k samples/s (exaggerated)	06:40
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DocScrutinizer51	on FR we had to kick PA as it was too heavy	06:42
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Sir_Lancelot	see you tomorrow guys	06:43
loft306	well my device is stuck in portrait mode	06:43
Sir_Lancelot	[[[]]]	06:43
loft306	havent rebooted yet or shutdown	06:43
fredrin_	shake it?	06:44
loft306	lol first thing	06:45
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ali1234	hmm another interesting thing: the frameskip/limiter is broken	06:46
zgold	ali1234: now your TOO fast?	06:47
ali1234	no	06:47
loft306	all i did wa-s ansawer a voice mail while in bed then it wouldnt leave peortrait mode	06:47
ali1234	but i set it to skip 4/5 frames and it isn't	06:47
DocScrutinizer51	thought there simply is no prortrait mode for most apps	06:48
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loft306	ok got it out of portrait mode by locking it and unlocking it with the power botton and slide finger en scroeen not with the side slider that just put it back in portrait mode	06:49
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loft306	did it again... rotated it to portrait to enable the phone and then closed the phone in portrait mode and it stays in portrait mode	06:52
loft306	but the slider thing gets it out	06:52
loft306	as above	06:52
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DocScrutinizer51	sorry, don,t get it. what,s in porrait mode when you close the ühone aka dialer app?	06:53
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ali1234	with sound disabled, pulseaudio killed, hilden-desktop stopped - i get 50 fps	06:54
DocScrutinizer51	when I close dialer, there's dashboard which I never seen in portrait	06:55
loft306	its in the phone if i close it there it stays in portrait and also the accelerometer seems to not kick it outta phone to landscape while in phone all of a sudden	06:55
DocScrutinizer51	aaah, killing PA is a way to reach ultimate happiness	06:55
zgold	ali1234: and 60fps is 100%?	06:56
ali1234	50 fps is 100% if you play the PAL version	06:56
zgold	Lol	06:56
zgold	I bet we can get that Xorg cpu down suh that we can keep hildon & PA alive =P	06:56
DocScrutinizer51	loft306, sorry I can,t reproduce. Not even imagine	06:56
ali1234	the thing is, it doesn't look all that much faster	06:57
loft306	hehehe... dant want to its a pita	06:57
ali1234	i have a feeling the fps timer is broken, along with frameskip and the rest	06:57
loft306	though bounce works just fine	06:58
ali1234	hmm actually that was quite a bit faster	06:58
ali1234	they must have used adaptive framerate for the in game parts - that would explain it	06:59
loft306	shute just rotate pione to portrail and it stays there no rotate back in landscape	06:59
loft306	gonna reboot	06:59
zgold	ali1234: that a good thing or a bad thing?	06:59
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DocScrutinizer51	ali1234, every decent game engine does (base on timers rather than graca framerate)	07:00
ali1234	actually, the decent ones don't, usually	07:01
ali1234	it's especially pointless on consoles	07:01
ali1234	anyway, compositing is killing us here, for sure	07:01
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ali1234	can't get above 30 fps with the window manager running	07:02
zgold	ali1234: I'm sure where not the only ones to have this issue. Does bounce get around it?	07:02
ali1234	bounce has crappy framerate :(	07:02
zgold	this is true	07:02
ali1234	but, if i fix frameskip this should not be an issue	07:02
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ali1234	cos then you;re not compositing anything	07:03
loft306	ok a reboot fixed it	07:03
ali1234	unless you are - i don't really know how that stuff works	07:03
DocScrutinizer51	ali1234, aha. so the decent games just do a t+=25ms; render frame; wait for next vsync? or what?	07:05
DocScrutinizer51	actually that's what a videoplayer does when you don't enable frame skipping	07:08
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ali1234	DocScrutinizer: well, maybe not on recent games, but PS1 type stuff...	07:08
ali1234	this game is 12 years old after all	07:08
zgold	ali1234: and its still the best game ever made =PO	07:09
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DocScrutinizer51	yeah, even 12 years ago the used "adaptive framerate" as you noticed	07:12
DocScrutinizer51	i.e. read out real world time and diced based on that what the next frame to render should look like	07:14
DocScrutinizer51	s/diced/decide/	07:15
infobot	DocScrutinizer51 meant: i.e. read out real world time and decide based on that what the next frame to render should look like	07:15
ali1234	adaptive framerate really only works if you run the engine off something like 20fps and then use prediction for the inbetween frames	07:15
ali1234	otherwise the game tends to explode when you drop a frame :)	07:16
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DocScrutinizer51	ouch	07:16
ali1234	i think quake 1 used 12 fps internally?	07:17
DocScrutinizer51	don't want my games to explode	07:17
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loft306	lol	07:17
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cornucopic	Hey all: What Linux distros are now officially supported by Maemo? Just Debian and Ubuntu ?	07:18
cornucopic	for development, i.e.	07:19
DocScrutinizer51	ubuntu only?	07:19
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sivang	DocScrutinizer51: debian as well	07:22
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sivang	DocScrutinizer51: practically, you have have it on whatever distro you want - but the installer script uses apt so you need to use an apt enabled distro	07:22
* DocScrutinizer51 kicks 5 of 6 linux mobile devices out of the bed, waves and snoozed		07:23
cornucopic	sivang, mhm	07:23
cornucopic	sivang, so tecnically, if I modify the script for say, 'yum' it should work ?	07:23
sivang	cornucopic: right, that was addressed to you :)	07:23
cornucopic	sivang, mhm. Thanks :)	07:23
sivang	cornucopic: and if the package layout is the same - e.g. pulls all the needed deps and isntalls them acording to FHS	07:24
sivang	cornucopic: as is spec'd in debian	07:24
loft306	lol DocScrutinizer51	07:24
cornucopic	sivang, so its just the package installation part that is distro dependent ?	07:24
sivang	cornucopic: you see, some stuff are in different locations then in redhat's	07:24
sivang	s/then/than/	07:24
infobot	sivang meant: cornucopic: you see, some stuff are in different locations than in redhat's	07:24
cornucopic	sivang, yeah..but RedHat does confirm to the LSB, right ?	07:24
sivang	cornucopic: it's been years since I touched it so :)	07:25
cornucopic	sivang, i am out of it too ..	07:25
sivang	cornucopic: why do you want to use redhat ?	07:25
cornucopic	sivang, but i need to write this article on Maemo, so just finding out..	07:25
cornucopic	sivang, i am no Redhat fanboy :)	07:25
sivang	cornucopic: maemo is a libapt based distro, so you'd normally be best using an libapt based distro	07:26
cornucopic	sivang, your pointers are greatly appreciated :)	07:26
DocScrutinizer51	bah, a winmoob phone. go away as well, crap	07:26
sivang	cornucopic: test it and report back :) maybe it will just work with modifyingf the installer to invoke yum :)	07:26
sivang	cornucopic: you are most welcome	07:27
cornucopic	sivang, should be a fun exercise..infact i was reading a 'tweet' that this guy had got it working on Fedora..	07:27
cornucopic	sivang, didn't hear back from him though..	07:27
ruskie	hmm trying to roll my own posix-locales and failing miserably... stuff just keeps failing	07:28
sivang	cornucopic: Personally, I would prefer to use a native apt distro for that - so I could test non maemoized debs and see if I like them and then maemoize them	07:30
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sivang	cornucopic: or borrow stuff from them to build my maemo packages. Feels more natural to me	07:30
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sivang	</my_opinion>	07:30
jebba900	cornucopic, i use SDK on f12 64bit	07:30
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sivang	hey jebba900 :)	07:31
jebba900	hey	07:31
cornucopic	jebba900, mhm. have you put up the changes you needed to do somewhere ?	07:32
jebba900	ya	07:32
* sivang is curious		07:32
cornucopic	jebba900, great! can I take a look ?	07:32
cornucopic	\me too	07:32
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jebba	cornucopic: sivang http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba	07:34
jebba	http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#SDK	07:34
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jebba	sivang: it uses apt in the chroot so you dont need it installed in fedora fyi	07:36
cornucopic	jebba, thanks. taking a look.	07:36
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Stargazers	Hi. Anyone other had this kind of bug: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stargazers/4168563068/	07:41
Stargazers	I mean those font problems	07:41
Stargazers	Uhm have to go at work. If anyone can know what I can do exxcept boot to fix that font bug, please hilight so I can see it from awaylog.	07:43
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Proteous	linux smartphones at NBLUG tomorrow: http://nblug.org/node/148	07:50
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* RST38h moos		08:04
RST38h	"Linux netbooks have captured 32% of the global netbook market, says Jeff Orr, an analyst with consumer computer research firm ABI Research." <=== probably bullshit though	08:05
Proteous	time for a milking	08:05
ShadowJK	these are the same people that said itanium would rule the world?	08:07
RST38h	Dunno...	08:08
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RST38h	But ABI sounds suspiciously like Absolute Bullshit Inside	08:08
arachnist	hmm	08:11
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ruskie	:)	08:11
arachnist	N900 could be sold as a netbook ;)	08:11
arachnist	it has the same screen resolution that the first eeepc had	08:11
arachnist	it has a keyboard	08:11
arachnist	and has more storage :>	08:11
hrw\|gone	xorAxAx: opensync 0.39 is named 'unstable' but it is supported. 0.22 is stable but none of developers remember how it works. read http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/02/26/syncing-mobile-devices/ for more	08:12
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hrw	morning	08:12
arachnist	moin	08:12
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jebba900	gnite!	08:17
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Stargazers	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=415928#post415928	08:18
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Stargazers	Made in a forum topic too.	08:18
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loft306	so true arachnist	08:31
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wazd	mornin' maemo	08:33
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Xisdibik	evening wazd	08:34
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RST38h	Stargazers: font corrupted. reboot. if it is still broken, reflash.	08:38
RST38h	ehlo, tekojo, wazd	08:38
wazd	RST38h: heya	08:38
loft306	anyone else having issues with the built in gps?	08:39
wazd	ooh, I'm out of painkillers, I'm doomed :(	08:39
arachnist	wazd: get vodka	08:40
loft306	whisky	08:40
loft306	hehlol	08:40
keesj_	my N900 charger stopped working and it looks like the contact points are to blame	08:42
Stargazers	RST38h: Well, can't I do that without reboot?	08:43
keesj_	on the n900 side. i can still charge when i connect the device to the pc but only if ireally dont touch the cable :(	08:43
hrw	keesj_: in charger or in n900?	08:43
Stargazers	RST38h: I mean, restart some services or something like that.	08:43
hrw	keesj_: so microusb in n900 is broken?	08:44
tekojo	Morning RST38h!	08:44
Xisdibik	loft306: whats the issue?	08:44
keesj_	not fully but it is heading that way indeed	08:44
hrw	crap	08:44
hrw	ok, have to go now	08:45
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tekojo	keesj_ charger or N900 micro usb contacts?	08:45
hrw\|gone	see you in 3h	08:45
loft306	just havennt been able to get a lock for position	08:45
loft306	with thu internal gps	08:45
tekojo	keesj_ need to see what can be done	08:46
loft306	though that im now have a sim it i think is using network	08:46
RST38h	Stargazers: no.	08:46
Stargazers	Damn.	08:46
loft306	also and getting a lock quicker	08:46
Stargazers	Well, I am too lazy don't want to, so it can look like that.	08:46
Stargazers	RST38h: Any idea what can cause that?	08:46
loft306	i dunno just seamed like it was gonna take all day ot get a fix	08:48
keesj_	tekojo: i will try to figure out what is really going on	08:48
loft306	so gave up when i have more time to play ill look again	08:48
loft306	unless im missing something in ovi maps	08:49
Xisdibik	loft306: i couldnt get a lock etiher way, but today it finally did	08:50
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Xisdibik	so could just be bad luck	08:50
loft306	will try a bt gps later	08:51
Stargazers	What is the X-server of N900 or is it X server anyway?	08:51
loft306	but with bt not playing nice that should be fun	08:51
tekojo	loft306 you do have an internet connection on?	08:51
Stargazers	Oh, it is Xorg	08:51
loft306	tmobile or wifi	08:51
Stargazers	Have to try to restart it	08:52
wazd	anybody can provide conversations shot please?	08:52
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wazd	I just need sizes, you can blur your precious messages if you want :D	08:52
loft306	i got a red slash through the gps symbol on the evi maps	08:53
loft306	ovi	08:53
tekojo	loft306 sounds strange, with net assisted gps the location should come in seconds	08:53
loft306	i cheock settings and it is on	08:53
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wazd	ok, nm	08:53
RST38h	Stargazers: bad things.	08:54
loft306	so i got a good mic but a screwie gsp...	08:54
Stargazers	Why so?=	08:54
loft306	ho hum	08:54
Stargazers	What it can break?	08:54
tekojo	loft306 how about other gps software like eCoach or OSM2Go ?	08:54
loft306	nothing yet	08:54
loft306	will try other app see if just the ap	08:55
wazd	oh crap, I've lost my nokia fonts	08:55
loft306	not a big loss	08:55
wazd	big for me :)	08:55
tekojo	Also check that Settings -> Location has Network positioning enabled	08:55
Xisdibik	loft306: where are you right now?	08:56
tekojo	wazd lost Nokia fonts?	08:56
wazd	tekojo: well, yeah :)	08:56
wazd	tekojo: reinstalled the system, forgot to back them up	08:56
loft306	near a window	08:56
loft306	crap what was i doing	08:57
tekojo	wazd aren't they public?	08:57
DocScrutinizer51	loft306, try disabling the net assistence then start a gps app. stop. reenable net assist and start again. this helped for my GPS	08:57
wazd	tekojo: I got them with Tablet Video Converter, but it's archived now :(	08:58
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loft306	turned off powersave and lock on dim and putting it in the window	09:00
DocScrutinizer51	loft306, check GPSjinni. it's in testing or devel repository. quite helpful tool	09:00
wazd	ok, found it, nm :)	09:00
loft306	thnx DocScrutinizer51	09:01
tekojo	wazd they seem to be around	09:01
Xisdibik	loft306: some windows block alot of GPS signals (someone said it to me the other day here) :)	09:01
* Stskeeps yawns		09:03
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loft306	heh thease arent coated with anything	09:03
crashanddie	everyone, please vote "No" here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36158	09:03
wazd	Stskeeps: o/	09:03
Stskeeps	morning	09:03
Flandry	2 am here	09:04
tekojo	Stakeeps morning!	09:04
tekojo	s/Stakeeps/Stskeeps/	09:04
infobot	tekojo meant: Stskeeps morning!	09:04
Stargazers	crashanddie: Voted no, imho is better at least in this point that talkings are in english, even that I speak it not very well, but still my worse english is more understandable by others than very good finnish or some other language.	09:04
* tekojo go get coffee		09:04
Flandry	lol what you got against Germans	09:04
DocScrutinizer51	he Stskeeps moinmoin	09:05
crashanddie	Flandry: I'm jewish	09:05
Flandry	uh huh	09:05
crashanddie	and I still haven't forgiven them	09:05
crashanddie	Flandry: just kidding :P	09:05
Stargazers	crashanddie: :---D	09:06
Stargazers	LOL	09:06
loft306	haha rofl crashanddie	09:06
tigert	mroning	09:06
loft306	but you got a merceddes?	09:06
Stargazers	Can I change font in menu?	09:06
Stargazers	I mean, menu font.	09:06
LinuxCode	once you start making multi-lingual forums actual useful information for everyone gets diluted	09:07
LinuxCode	;-\|	09:07
crashanddie	Stargazers: yeah, pretty much my opinion as well. The thing is that very valuable information can be exchanged if everyone uses, however segregating means that information is filtered through everyone's mother tongue	09:07
loft306	i think info will get lost in german	09:07
crashanddie	and most people don't give a flying fuck about reading the english fora if they have their own little corner	09:08
Xisdibik	Does anyone know a good relatively inexensive Wireless Controller that works with the N900 (not the wiimote, note enough buttons clearly)	09:08
crashanddie	also, during summits, the only people not mixing are germans	09:08
LinuxCode	humans suck, they always choose the easiest path	09:08
crashanddie	no offense	09:08
LinuxCode	crashanddie, happens in any language	09:08
Stargazers	Surely there is some good points about different languages, because some of us just can't talk english at all.	09:09
crashanddie	germans are worse :P	09:09
Stargazers	But in those cases, well.	09:09
* LinuxCode finds it rude during conferences, when people start talking in their own language, when somebody stands next to them who does not		09:09
crashanddie	aye	09:09
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Stargazers	LinuxCode: Ei kait siinä	09:09
Stargazers	;)	09:09
LinuxCode	and I speak more than one language	09:09
LinuxCode	Stargazers, DIE	09:09
Xisdibik	Your so rude Stargazers !!! j/k	09:09
Stargazers	LinuxCode: I speak too. I can talk to you C if you want!	09:09
Stargazers	printf( "Yeah, baby\n" );	09:09
crashanddie	ja ja, nu kunnen we ook allemaal in onze moedertaal gaan klappen, maar veel gaat dat niet helpen ;)	09:09
Stargazers	Xisdibik: Yeah I am.	09:09
LinuxCode	crashanddie, haha ;-D	09:10
Stargazers	crashanddie: Ich habe keine panzer! wARUM!	09:10
Xisdibik	we should just make a universal language everyone has to learn	09:10
Xisdibik	and please dont make it english :)	09:10
Stargazers	Xisdibik: Well, we should use C then.	09:10
LinuxCode	Xisdibik, it is English	09:10
Stargazers	Love is the universal language, lol.	09:10
Stargazers	Let's use it.	09:10
Xisdibik	LinuxCode: yeah, but I dont like english :P (even though its the only language i know)	09:10
Stargazers	..O	09:10
crashanddie	Stargazers: that wasn't german ;)	09:11
LinuxCode	Xisdibik, get a klingon dictionary then	09:11
* Xisdibik slides up close to Stargazers.. HEY BAB... WAIT YOUR A GUY!		09:11
LinuxCode	hehe	09:11
LinuxCode	see how that works out...	09:11
Stargazers	Xisdibik: Yikes	09:11
Xisdibik	LinuxCode: im doing fine with japanese thanks ;)	09:11
Stargazers	Xisdibik: But I have a long hairs so you wouldn't be the first who have thought that I am female :D	09:11
LinuxCode	crashanddie, he came mighty close those	09:11
crashanddie	Xisdibik: as long as you don't start arguing that we should learn chinese, I'm fine with picking another language than English	09:11
Xisdibik	Stargazers: are you into metal? :p	09:11
Stargazers	crashanddie: Wasn't it?	09:11
LinuxCode	it should have been keinen!	09:11
Stargazers	Xisdibik: Hehehe, yeah :D	09:11
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Stargazers	Xisdibik: I listen metal much.	09:12
Stargazers	I am a hairy hippie, then :D	09:12
Xisdibik	crashanddie: im not a fan of Mandarin, or Catonese, but i dont know this "Chinese" you speak of	09:12
Xisdibik	Cantonese*	09:12
loft306	DocScrutinizer51 Xisdibik ek im getting a lock now!! prob just needed to sit for a bit to get first lock	09:12
crashanddie	you understood my point	09:12
crashanddie	now gtfo you pedantic bod :P	09:12
Stargazers	Xisdibik: How did you guessed?	09:12
Stargazers	;)	09:12
Xisdibik	loft306: probbaly, i was sitting for 16 minutes for my train in freezing weather tonight, thats why it had time for a lock	09:12
* simula_ kicks a can		09:13
Xisdibik	Stargazers: dunno, but i love metal too \m/	09:13
Stargazers	Hehe, nice. What kind of?	09:13
Flandry	aluminum	09:13
Xisdibik	Power Metal and its derivatives	09:13
loft306	i know with my big bt unit it took it a while for its first lock	09:13
Stargazers	Flandry: \o.	09:13
loft306	also	09:13
simula_	i finally got to the point where i can execute files on MyDocs, but my shell script is giving me problems :P	09:13
Stargazers	http://thxforthe.info/2008/06/14/im-a-huge-metal-fan-me-too/	09:13
Flandry	what did it take simula_?	09:13
Flandry	did you have to change fstab?	09:14
Stargazers	Xisdibik: Sonata Artica and Stratovarius and Dragonforce etc?	09:14
Xisdibik	all of those i like yes	09:14
Xisdibik	HammerFall is my favorite	09:14
Xisdibik	or one of	09:14
Stargazers	Xisdibik: Nice, I am going to see Sonata in next year if I am alive :)	09:14
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Flandry	oO	09:14
Xisdibik	2012 isnt for a few years, you should be alive Stargazers	09:14
Stargazers	Hamemrfall? Well, I really love song of them "The Fallen" and "Always will be"	09:14
Stargazers	Xisdibik: Yeah :D	09:14
simula_	i had to remove the overwrite of the fstab in /etc/event.d/rcS-late	09:14
simula_	then update fstab	09:15
Stargazers	But I do not believe 2012 stuff.	09:15
* Flandry wonders what the next doomsday is after Y2K and 2012		09:15
simula_	then i umounted MyDocs and mount -a MyDocs	09:15
Stargazers	Xisdibik: Have you listened Rhapsody?	09:15
Stargazers	They have nice songs.	09:15
Xisdibik	Rhapsody of Fire as they are now called ;)?	09:15
Xisdibik	yes	09:15
Xisdibik	they are another one up high on my list	09:15
simula_	a long term fix would be finding the script that mounts it :)	09:15
Flandry	simula_: Make a wiki page about it?	09:15
Stargazers	All right. What about Elvenking? \p/	09:15
Stargazers	Heathenreel is nice album.	09:16
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Xisdibik	dont know them :( writes down their name	09:16
sleipnir	LinuxCode: this is perfect german. germans never have only one panzer ;-)	09:16
Flandry	ohh Erlkonig	09:16
Flandry	i like that :P	09:16
Stargazers	Xisdibik: It is little kind different but you might like it or not.	09:16
simula_	Flandry, once i get the Qt 4.6 installed on my n900 i'll definitely put up a wiki :)	09:16
Stargazers	Xisdibik: But Dreamtale <3	09:16
Stargazers	It is power metal.	09:16
Stargazers	Have you ever heard?	09:16
Stargazers	It is excellent.	09:16
Xisdibik	Stargazers: i also listen ot other metal sometimes though	09:16
Xisdibik	dont know them either	09:16
Stargazers	Xisdibik: Well check it first ;)	09:16
LinuxCode	sleipnir, good point, he must be a collector then	09:16
Xisdibik	I have Children of Bodom, InFlames etc also in my collection	09:16
Stargazers	It is that kind of stuff.	09:16
Stargazers	All right.	09:17
Stargazers	I have In Flames too.	09:17
Stargazers	Have listened Bodom surely.	09:17
sleipnir	LinuxCode: :-)	09:17
Stargazers	Xisdibik: But have you heard Dark Tranquillity?	09:17
Xisdibik	Metal sounds really nice from my n900	09:17
Xisdibik	Stargazers: yep have them	09:17
Stargazers	Propably best metal band.	09:17
Stargazers	All right, nice :)	09:17
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Stargazers	Xisdibik: I saw them on Jyväskylä :)	09:17
Stskeeps	PaulFertser: good questions for discussion	09:18
Xisdibik	Stargazers: no idea what that is.. but awesome \m/	09:18
Stargazers	Xisdibik: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stargazers/sets/72157606045805888/	09:18
Stargazers	Xisdibik: It is a city where I live.	09:18
Stargazers	There are some photos :)	09:18
Stargazers	I was very close as you can see :D	09:18
Xisdibik	:D	09:19
Xisdibik	was that taken with the n900??	09:19
Stargazers	Nope, there was no even talk about N900 then.	09:19
Stargazers	:/	09:19
Xisdibik	:/	09:19
Stargazers	It was not published nor talked about it.	09:19
Stargazers	I didn't even knew that some day there would be so lovely machine \o	09:19
Xisdibik	well next concert you can take pics and upload them for us live during the concert ;)	09:20
Xisdibik	and take some videos	09:20
Stargazers	Hehe, well, have to think about it. If I take my phone on it (sometimes sooo much peoples that propably can break my phone..)	09:21
DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps, (paulf) the mail about hostmode?	09:21
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: yeah	09:21
DocScrutinizer51	yep	09:21
Stargazers	But now gotta go o/ Have a nice day.	09:22
Xisdibik	Stargazers: Just tell the security you have a n900, they will clear a space around u	09:22
Xisdibik	later Stargazers im off to bed myself	09:22
DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps, hope it helps to get some A from the right people	09:22
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: a lot of nokians wish they had usb host as well so it might if there just might be a possibility for it :P	09:23
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Stskeeps	there's a downside though, you can't charge and usb host at same time no matter what	09:24
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Flandry	wait, what's the news on usb host?	09:24
Stskeeps	Flandry: none, just discussion	09:25
Stskeeps	maemo-developers@	09:25
Flandry	DocScrutinizer51: i thought you had verified no possibility due to hardware	09:25
DocScrutinizer51	the most important question seems: can we disable the 1k5 pulldown. And can we feed 5V to receptacle	09:25
DocScrutinizer51	Flandry, nope	09:26
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DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps, (charge + hm) almost rue	09:27
DocScrutinizer51	True	09:27
DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps, with a Yfcable you actually can. See FR and even OTG specs charger supplement	09:28
DocScrutinizer51	dunno if thats true for N900 though	09:29
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DocScrutinizer51	possibly that's the only mode N900 is capable of	09:30
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loft306	brrr cold	09:36
johnx	yeah. I am not amused by the weather	09:36
loft306	and its 72f in here	09:36
loft306	hello cold gonna be in bed for a few days it seems	09:36
loft306	least i can watch movies in bed without trying to keep a lappi from everheating now	09:37
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wazd	http://i026.radikal.ru/0912/36/089658a648d5.png	09:42
PaulFertser	Stskeeps: :D	09:43
timeless_mbp	wazd: does it run on maemo?	09:44
wazd	timeless_mbp: currently it runs on photoshop :)	09:45
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johnx	wazd, how's photoshop's battery life?	09:45
wazd	timeless_mbp: as all of my stuff though	09:45
wazd	johnx: rather poor :)	09:45
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timeless_mbp	wazd: the bitly app?	09:46
wazd	timeless_mbp: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35596	09:46
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PaulFertser	DocScrutinizer51: (disable 1.5k pullup) almost certainly can, it highly impossible it's hard-wired, most probably it's controlled by a switch connected to musb.	09:49
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wazd	joshua.maverick is raging with some custom monstrosity there so I thought it would be nice to give some more common solutions to the author	09:49
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johnx	yeah. I tend to like integrated apps better than ones that feel they need their own custom theme ...	09:53
wazd	every custom thing should have it's purpose	09:53
johnx	very true	09:53
wazd	Canola has custom ui cause it's made with EFL, not GTK	09:54
wazd	ATi has custom UI to look like actual calcs for those who used them before	09:54
tigert	EFL has nothing necessarily to do with custom ui	09:54
johnx	also...for some reason I feel like media players can get away with custom stuff more easily	09:54
tigert	you could do a ui that follows maemo ui style with it just fine	09:54
johnx	though I wish canola on maemo 5 integrated the top bar ...	09:55
tigert	custom ui is nice for things like mediaplayer	09:55
tigert	but for many things it is nice that things work in a consistent way	09:55
wazd	tigert: well, Canola has it's own UI ecosystem, well designed I should notice	09:55
PaulFertser	DocScrutinizer51: i think you can just measure DP and DM lines resistance to GND after asking musb to switch to the host mode, it would possibly give some insights.	09:55
tigert	yes, but it is totally different	09:55
tigert	I meant, it is not "because it was written with efl"	09:56
wazd	tigert: why twitter app should have custom UI - dunno :)	09:56
tigert	but they designed it different	09:56
tigert	well, I dunno either	09:56
wazd	tigert: well, I mean since it's not GTK anyway, they can do whatever they want :)	09:56
* timeless_mbp sighs		09:56
* timeless_mbp looks for native english speakers		09:56
timeless_mbp	(especially brits)	09:57
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tigert	wazd: it doesnt really matter - sure it is easier to do "native style" with gtk since it is already themed like that	09:57
PaulFertser	DocScrutinizer51: the sysfs node is called "mode" and valid parameters are "host", "peripheral" and "otg".	09:57
timeless_mbp	johnx: you know you want to help	09:57
tigert	but there is no reason why canola couldnt use the same ui style even with efl	09:57
tigert	it was just their decision to do it differently and experiment with a different ui style	09:57
PaulFertser	Others with n900 and a multimeter can join in as well.	09:57
johnx	timeless_mbp, I don't speak english worth a damn and you know it :P	09:57
timeless_mbp	tigert: other than it'd technically be a royal pain ;)	09:57
tigert	timeless_mbp: well, they designed their style from scratch I presume?	09:58
timeless_mbp	(not a reason not to do it)	09:58
timeless_mbp	tigert: dunno	09:58
tigert	converting it to native style now would be pain	09:58
wazd	timeless_mbp: he can help with japaneese :D	09:58
timeless_mbp	but manually interpreting gtk themes is never something "simple"	09:58
tigert	but I meant, "lets use efl" and "lets make it different" are two different things	09:58
johnx	wazd, ha! that's a sure way to offend an entire country	09:59
timeless_mbp	tigert: true	09:59
tigert	"lets do this with EFL and lets make it look native" would have been likely the same amount of work as "lets do it with efl and lets do our own style"	09:59
timeless_mbp	i'm just noting that it's probably moderately painful to get native theming working w/ EFL	09:59
tigert	sure	09:59
tigert	but it doesnt need to be native anyway	09:59
timeless_mbp	tigert =~ s/lets/let's/	09:59
timeless_mbp	g	09:59
tigert	it just needs to look the same and behave the same :)	09:59
tigert	anyway	10:00
tigert	:)	10:00
johnx	mimicking one gtk theme is one thing, but responding to all possible themes is kind of insane	10:00
johnx	easier in maemo because there's only one engine	10:00
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johnx	but I think choosing efl and choosing to design their own style were two decisions that came naturally together	10:01
tigert	johnx: sure	10:01
johnx	once one of the decisions was made the other was more likely to follow	10:01
timeless_mbp	wazd: erm	10:01
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timeless_mbp	http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2551/4156675656_3c4981036f_o.png	10:01
tigert	and they had their vision of what they wanted to do	10:01
tigert	fit their needs nicely	10:01
timeless_mbp	do they really have 5 buttons at the bottom?	10:01
timeless_mbp	please tell them that this is Not OK	10:01
tigert	canola is not "wrong ui" - it is just different	10:01
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timeless_mbp	you can use 5 toolbar icons if you like	10:01
timeless_mbp	but 5 buttons will not fit if translated	10:01
timeless_mbp	tigert: speaking of which	10:02
wazd	timeless_mbp: yeah	10:02
timeless_mbp	can you take a cluebat to the networking ui designers?	10:02
timeless_mbp	i'll visit you sometime today for a demo	10:02
tigert	those are not fingersized either	10:02
timeless_mbp	they did something "fancy"	10:02
* johnx wants to watch a demo of the cluebat		10:02
tigert	its not really a toolbar I think	10:02
timeless_mbp	tigert: the bottom 5 buttons should be a toolbar	10:02
timeless_mbp	or just buried in the app menu	10:03
suihkulokki	johnx: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030210	10:03
wazd	timeless_mbp: app menu will do just fine	10:03
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wazd	timeless_mbp: since these buttons are not for everysecond use anyway	10:03
timeless_mbp	suihkulokki: =)	10:03
johnx	suihkulokki, that's actually one of the funnier UF strips I've seen :D	10:03
tigert	suihkulokki: heh, its been a loooooong time since I read UF	10:04
timeless_mbp	wazd: agreed	10:04
timeless_mbp	wazd: my ui analysis algorithm is as you saw it here	10:04
timeless_mbp	two many buttons => overflow @ translation => toolbar it; hrm, are any of those things actually necessary? => menu it	10:04
suihkulokki	tigert: mee too, but I remembered that one so I just googled for cluebat userfriendly :)	10:05
* tigert did some gpodder mockups on the weekend		10:05
timeless_mbp	speaking of gpodder	10:05
timeless_mbp	a coworker promised to file a bug against it	10:05
timeless_mbp	because it doesn't install a file in /etc/osso-backup/applications	10:05
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timeless_mbp	and i gave him the file for that	10:05
* timeless_mbp wonders if he filed the bug yet		10:05
tigert	right	10:05
wazd	timeless_mbp: bad UI => follow guidelines => good UI :D	10:06
tigert	I also noticed a fun bug about panucci	10:06
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tigert	the podcast/ebook player	10:06
timeless_mbp	wazd: hrm	10:06
timeless_mbp	doesn't work for nokia apps	10:06
tigert	it doesnt play any sound when device has silent profile active :)	10:06
ersin	hi stskeeps	10:06
tigert	need to poke thp about that :)	10:06
Stskeeps	morning ersin	10:06
ersin	so my girlfriend kicked my laptop off the bed and now the screen's messed up =P so no gtk hacking for a while	10:07
ersin	thank god for maemo xchat	10:07
timeless_mbp	ersin: hack from n900	10:07
sejo	morning gents!	10:07
ersin	timeless_mbp plz send me one	10:08
ersin	lol	10:08
Stskeeps	ersin: well i hope the kicking was done not in malice :P	10:08
sejo	hmm wpa and n900 not working allright :/	10:08
timeless_mbp	ersin: i've already dropped one	10:08
timeless_mbp	i had to recall the last one i loaned out :(	10:08
ersin	stskeeps, oh not at all, just silliness	10:08
ersin	timeless_mbp: wow rough	10:08
ersin	thankfully my laptop is still under warranty	10:08
timeless_mbp	well the guy i loaned it to was supposed to get his own	10:08
timeless_mbp	sadly my n900s are nokia's so.. no warranty	10:09
johnx	ersin, will warranty really cover that?	10:09
ashenburger	johnx: probably depends on phrasing :)	10:09
ersin	johnx: "what the dinner guests dont' know won't kill them"	10:09
ersin	ashenburger: exactly	10:09
ersin	the dinner guests being gateway et al	10:09
johnx	my screen got a giant hole in it while it was sitting on a desk	10:10
ersin	? like, literally?	10:10
timeless_mbp	johnx: nah, while sitting in my bag :)	10:10
johnx	sorry, forgot the "s :)	10:10
ersin	heh	10:10
ersin	stskeeps: while i'm deprived of cpu power i thought i might pick your brain	10:11
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johnx	trying to run your compiles on Stskeeps? :D	10:11
Stskeeps	ersin: finishing up my thesis at the moment so the quota is low	10:11
ersin	stskeeps: i was wondering if you know what's preventing someone from building a totally new os for the nits from scratch...i recall something about a watchdog and it will reboot w/o nokia hw blobs	10:11
Stskeeps	ersin: nothing	10:12
ersin	stskeeps: no worries then, i'm in a similar boat, applying to programs	10:12
Stskeeps	ersin: except that if you go for a desktop distro, you	10:12
ersin	stskeeps: um, really?? why hasn't it been done before?	10:12
Stskeeps	'll end up with laptop like battery performance	10:12
ersin	hmm	10:12
ersin	and mer...?	10:12
Stskeeps	ersin: sure it has, debian, gentoo	10:12
Stskeeps	and mer is closer to maemo and not as such a desktop environment	10:13
ersin	so wifi and bluetooth are supported in the kernel tree?	10:13
Stskeeps	sure	10:13
ersin	(do you know which drivers?)	10:13
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Stskeeps	we just abuse initfs for firmware	10:13
ersin	if there's a wiki with all this somewhere i'll take a look at that	10:13
ersin	hah	10:13
johnx	by "kernel tree" do you mean mainline?	10:14
ersin	that doesn't cause massive fails with different kernel versions?	10:14
ersin	johnx: yes, ty	10:14
pupnik_	Amazon.de sells N900 for 887.15 US dollars. Dell sold N900 at 442 US dollars + free shipping + tax. How is this possible?	10:15
pupnik_	Both unlocked.	10:15
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wazd	pupnik_: magic! :D	10:16
* ersin goes to investigate running busybox on his n770 with what little graphics capabilities his poor laptop has left		10:16
LinuxCode	pupnik_, I will sell you one for £1000 , if you want to pay that	10:16
LinuxCode	;-p	10:16
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johnx	ersin, well, see...that's a different story :) There's different wifi driver that works for newer kernels. And the N810s have sound support in newer kernels, but the N800s have a slightly different codec. Support in newer kernels is kind of hit-or-miss, largely because no one has done the work	10:17
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ersin	johnx: what about the 770's?	10:18
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johnx	uhm...I don't think people have looked at getting a newer kernel on them	10:18
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ersin	johnx: and do you know which driver that different one is?	10:18
Stskeeps	ersin: wifi kernel blob	10:18
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ersin	stskeeps: wasn't a hacker named fanoosh doing 770 wifi stuff? he must've had access to the code	10:19
johnx	stlc4550	10:20
tigert	hah, that espeak sounds like the amiga speech synth	10:21
johnx	aka stlc45xx	10:21
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pupnik_	LinuxCode, why not buy from dell and sell in germany? (economic arbitrage)	10:24
pupnik_	Earn 300 dollars per n900 sold	10:24
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LinuxCode	i tell you why	10:24
ashenburger	-vat, I'd assume. possibly taxes to	10:24
ashenburger	too*	10:24
LinuxCode	we in Europe use 220-240 volts	10:24
LinuxCode	customs	10:24
LinuxCode	not worth it	10:25
pupnik_	what is customs?	10:25
LinuxCode	they tax it on import	10:25
tigert	the charger does 110 / 220	10:25
johnx	pupnik_, a tax on people bad at smuggling	10:25
LinuxCode	tigert, still leaves VAT and customs and excise duty	10:25
tigert	sure	10:25
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pupnik_	This is a ridiculous situation caused by european socialist government.\	10:26
LinuxCode	pupnik_, PLEASE	10:26
LinuxCode	the US has customs too	10:26
LinuxCode	lol	10:26
tigert	keep your socialism in your arse please	10:26
pupnik_	You do nnot explain why it is cheaper in us!!!	10:26
tigert	:)	10:26
rrr__	just get one from UK and quit complaining :p	10:27
LinuxCode	pupnik_, sales tax	10:27
LinuxCode	us 7%	10:27
LinuxCode	UK 15%	10:27
ashenburger	norway 25% :(	10:27
pupnik_	germany 20%	10:27
LinuxCode	+ currency fluctuations	10:27
mece	finland 22%	10:27
mece	hah	10:27
Stskeeps	dk 25%	10:27
Stskeeps	:P	10:27
pupnik_	so we have 14 percent of the 100 percent surcharge	10:27
johnx	pupnik_, because you're willing to pay :P	10:27
pupnik_	where is the rest of the 86 percent, LinuxCode	10:27
Corsac	remember the dollar price nowadays :)	10:27
LinuxCode	pupnik_, ask Nokia	10:27
ashenburger	but if you buy it in another country you buy it tax-free no?	10:28
Corsac	ashenburger: and you pay taxes in your own country	10:28
pupnik_	it is in the transaction cost of doing business in europe, due to all the regulations imposed	10:28
ashenburger	well, only if you really want to :p	10:28
johnx	ever played the lemonade stand game on the Apple ][?	10:28
mece	I think it's cheaper in the us because it's a tougher market for Nok	10:28
LinuxCode	pupnik_, rubbish	10:28
pupnik_	what is the supply/demand curve for n900? how many more would be sold at 300 euro price point?	10:28
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pupnik_	That is the relevance.	10:29
LinuxCode	pupnik_, US is the biggest market, in the World	10:29
mece	pupnik_ I'm guessing A LOT, but Nokia is guessing not so many.	10:29
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LinuxCode	companies set a price selling point per currency market	10:29
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LinuxCode	so currency fluctuations level each other out	10:30
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LinuxCode	besides, they might be buying their components in USD	10:30
LinuxCode	the Chinese currency is linked to the USD	10:30
johnx	though more likely in Won (sp?)	10:30
pupnik_	i used the current conversion rate between euro and dollar, LinuxCode - not some fantasy figure	10:30
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CoreFusion-	Good morning!	10:31
LinuxCode	pupnik_, that is market rate ;-p nobody gets that, not even banks	10:32
* Flandry played Lemonade Stand		10:32
* johnx thinks he still has Euros, Kroner and Yen left over, wonders how much...		10:32
CoreFusion-	Ok, I have about 4 hours of free time, anyone need some testing done?	10:32
LinuxCode	and again, ask Nokia, they calculate in currency fluctuations, level of average income, etc..	10:32
Flandry	Today's forecast: Hot and dry! Oh yeah, time to sell big :P	10:33
LinuxCode	anyway, pupnik_ bitch all you like, nothing will change	10:33
LinuxCode	hehe	10:33
suihkulokki	Nokia needs to grab american market share desperately, so the n900 is priced there accordingly	10:33
johnx	Flandry, I learned more about economics from that game than any other time in school	10:33
suihkulokki	in EU N still has many other phones sellign well	10:34
johnx	CoreFusion-, do you know where the extras-testing voting page is?	10:34
Flandry	I suspect that game's the reason i dislike business	10:34
CoreFusion-	johnx: is it this one? http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/	10:34
pwnguin	anyone understadn the purpose of /etc/event.d/act-dead?	10:35
johnx	Flandry, and also the reason why I feel no need to try and guess why the N900 is expensive some places: Nokia sales team must be die hard lemonade stand players	10:35
Flandry	Hmm, wonder if Aztec and Swashbuckler code is around somewhere	10:35
johnx	CoreFusion-, just making sure. I don't have anything specific for you to test :)	10:36
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timeless_mbp	johnx: i miss lemonade stand	10:41
johnx	playing that game was one of the formative moments of my cynical attitude	10:42
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timeless_mbp	johnx: i recently gave away my eastern european currency, too heavy, too little value	10:42
timeless_mbp	pwnguin: so..	10:43
timeless_mbp	ever heard of a reboot loop?	10:43
timeless_mbp	imagine your system manages to mess up a critical service	10:43
timeless_mbp	when that happens, we reboot	10:43
timeless_mbp	if your device isn't plugged into a charger, then what will happen assuming no acting is:	10:44
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CoreFusion-	Found a minor bug in mclock, how do i report it?	10:44
timeless_mbp	device tries to boot, x loads, various its poke the file system	10:44
timeless_mbp	the critical app fails	10:44
timeless_mbp	the device reboots	10:44
timeless_mbp	this repeats forever (rather, until the device's battery is fully drained)	10:44
Stskeeps	CoreFusion-: see if it's in bugs.maemo.org	10:44
timeless_mbp	with act-dead, if you fail to get through to some reasonable point X times in a row, we give up	10:44
timeless_mbp	there's something wrong, and you need to fix it first before we try to boot again	10:45
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CoreFusion-	Stskeeps: There doesn't seem to be anything about mClock in bugs.maemo.org	10:45
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Stskeeps	CoreFusion-: check under extras?	10:47
timeless_mbp	CoreFusion-: bugzilla says it doesn't have a component	10:47
timeless_mbp	only mCalendar	10:47
Stskeeps	ah	10:47
timeless_mbp	(are they related?)	10:47
CoreFusion-	So how should I proceed?	10:48
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timeless_mbp	johnx: so, i'm aware you're acting as a non native speaker	10:48
timeless_mbp	but users are still good for me	10:48
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timeless_mbp	won't you please be my user :)	10:48
johnx	heh. what's the question?	10:48
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fnordianslip	timeless_mbp: interesting about act-dead. does it offer any actual way to fix the problem (whatever it might be)?	10:53
fnordianslip	i.e. single user mode	10:54
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johnx	Hmm...I think I'll hit my car with a baseball bat until it starts working	10:58
timeless_mbp	um, the device does	10:58
timeless_mbp	the mode itself isn't really interested in doing that	10:58
timeless_mbp	and offers is kinda an overstatement	10:58
timeless_mbp	it's a device, there's a serial console and a usb port	10:59
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timeless_mbp	with those you can talk to it	10:59
Stskeeps	timeless_mbp: i actually wish actdead would present itself better than death	10:59
Stskeeps	:P	10:59
fnordianslip	ah. ok. so not for end users really	11:00
timeless_mbp	come up w/ a better solution and you can ship it in Mer ;-)	11:00
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timeless_mbp	this slide show just misspelled the email address for the contact	11:01
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johnx	timeless_mbp, it's ok. I don't think they'll get many complaints ... by email :D	11:02
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sejo	Is there a list somewhere where I can see what packages are new in the testing repo?	11:03
sejo	and does someone knom how to join rooms on jabber with the n900?	11:03
timeless_mbp	sejo: the qa page isn't good enough?	11:03
sejo	timeless_mbp: that would be perfectvvv	11:04
sejo	...	11:04
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timeless_mbp	http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing ?	11:04
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odin_	does N900 take OTA SMS for setting updates?	11:04
sejo	thx timeless_mbp	11:05
timeless_mbp	odin_: the localization has strings that talk about it	11:05
timeless_mbp	i've never seen it show those strings	11:05
timeless_mbp	and i am not going to check to see if they're really used	11:05
timeless_mbp	(but as a localizer, i know they exist)	11:05
Stskeeps	it's possible to be dragged into a multi user chat i think	11:05
RST38h	johnx: Still alive?	11:05
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johnx	RST38h, fraid so :P	11:06
* timeless_mbp sighs		11:06
* RST38h needs some help with setting up a package under Maemo		11:06
timeless_mbp	Stskeeps / et al, visit: http://ovi.mobi w/ your n900	11:06
sejo	Stskeeps: I tried to join a room but that didn't work	11:06
timeless_mbp	and click on "Maps"	11:06
RST38h	johnx: goooooooooood =)~	11:06
RST38h	johnx: Let us say I have a nethack	11:06
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RST38h	johnx: It is installed into /opt/vultures, there is a binary there, started by a script /usr/bin/vultures	11:07
johnx	with you so far	11:07
RST38h	johnx: Now, Nethack has to be able to write a few files in its data dir	11:07
johnx	ugh	11:07
johnx	what kind of files?	11:07
RST38h	This includes the scorecard, the save games, and a link("perm","perm_lock") to insure it is the only program writing stuff there	11:07
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RST38h	Which leads us....to vultures failing to run unless you run it as root of course	11:08
RST38h	How I am trying to fix it:	11:08
johnx	save games go in ~/ , scorecard (high scores?) actually have a system wide directory (like /var/games or something) and that link can written wherever you want. /tmp or /var/run maybe?	11:09
odin_	timeless_mbp, no sure I follow you comment.. localization ? the updates Im after are for MMS + WAP/GRPS/PacketData and anything else, we are talking of the same thing?	11:09
RST38h	cd /opt/vultures ; chgrp games . vultures <datafiles> ; chmod g+s vultures ; chmod g+w . <datafiles>	11:09
timeless_mbp	odin_: yes	11:09
RST38h	johnx: Sorry, it is not an option	11:09
timeless_mbp	odin_: did you know that your n900 can speak more than one language?	11:09
odin_	I tested my N900 out on real network and it wont connect to PacketData, so I need to know what to ask my operator for	11:09
timeless_mbp	i've written my own translation	11:09
RST38h	johnx: have ot do it as shown above. It does not work. Any idea why?	11:09
odin_	timeless_mbp, can speak? can you name the languages it can speak ?	11:10
Stskeeps	RST38h: postinst? :P	11:10
timeless_mbp	speak = display text	11:10
johnx	RST38h, 1) I have little interest in nethack 2) you're making your pacakge in a way that won't work on mer ... so my motivation for jumping down the rabbit hole is very small	11:10
RST38h	Stskeeps: I have done it MANUALLY just now. Does not work.	11:10
odin_	if i ask for N97 or E95 (or whatever) OTA setting, will they work with N900 ?	11:10
RST38h	johnx: This is how Nethack worked for years	11:10
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RST38h	johnx: I am trying not to invent things	11:11
odin_	my operator (Vodafone) never heard of N900 yet... so all I can do is tell them to send same setting for N97 or E95 or someting they do know about	11:11
johnx	RST38h, I guarantee it isn't packaged that way on debian	11:11
johnx	(or any sane multi-user system)	11:11
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RST38h	hm	11:11
odin_	timeless_mbp, I dont understand what the display text and locale has to do with OTA SMS setting	11:11
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johnx	uhm. so chrgrp is failing on a vfat fs is what you're saying?	11:12
RST38h	no	11:12
timeless_mbp	odin_: in order to support most things	11:12
RST38h	chgrp works	11:12
timeless_mbp	the device has to tell you something	11:12
RST38h	chmod works	11:12
RST38h	it is not a vfat fs, it is /opt	11:12
timeless_mbp	if it can't tell you something happened, how would you deal w/ it	11:12
johnx	ah right. got turned around	11:12
timeless_mbp	in order for you to be told, it has to speak your language	11:12
RST38h	it just can't open or link any of those files, in spite of all the bits being in place	11:12
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timeless_mbp	as such, if there's no translation of a message relating to a feature, it's unlikely that the feature exists	11:12
RST38h	maybe the OS prohibits changing group?	11:13
timeless_mbp	(existence of a translation for a string doesn't imply the feature, although the lack thereof generally implies the lack of existence)	11:13
odin_	timeless_mbp, erm.... when my new E72 was turned on with new SIM, I got 1 SMS (which I could not read), this was the OTA via SMS settings... the phone never told me anything.... I then promptly rebooted the phone, because I just knew that is what you should do after tou get some SMS updates with a new SIM/phone (since this is what Ive always done for 10 years)	11:13
timeless_mbp	odin_: i doubt that	11:14
odin_	timeless_mbp, so localization really has nothing to do with what I'm on about	11:14
timeless_mbp	when i used my e61i the ota sms explained that it was a special settings thing	11:14
timeless_mbp	that was a localized message	11:14
johnx	RST38h, so which of those commands are you running as root, and which as some user in the games group? (pastebin might be the most concise)	11:14
odin_	on the E72 I got a new message indicate, which I read but nothing displayed at all it went back to home screen and new message indicate was reset	11:15
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odin_	but yes I agree, some older phones I've had, did have a written message for the same thing	11:15
odin_	but thats not actually important, the important things are the setting contained, will the phone interpret them and setup profiles for GRPS connections and such ?	11:15
sejo	timeless_mbp: nice work with the store	11:16
timeless_mbp	sejo: store?	11:16
timeless_mbp	my translation is enus1	11:16
timeless_mbp	the only thing i did to store was change 'store' to 'ovi store'	11:16
odin_	the N900 can't do MMS yet anyway?	11:16
sejo	err the ovi.mobi i mean	11:16
timeless_mbp	sejo: not my work	11:16
timeless_mbp	sejo: did you click on the maps link?	11:16
timeless_mbp	for me i got a message saying my n810 isn't supported	11:17
timeless_mbp	which is interesting, because as i noted, i have an n900	11:17
timeless_mbp	ooh, they're asking this guy about n900 support	11:17
sejo	timeless_mbp: seems to work here (slow though)	11:17
sejo	ach no	11:17
timeless_mbp	sejo: what?!	11:18
sejo	not supported	11:18
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timeless_mbp	does it say n900 or n810?	11:18
sejo	text just didn't render	11:18
sejo	N810	11:18
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timeless_mbp	great	11:18
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sejo	lol	11:18
* timeless_mbp sends an email		11:18
Stskeeps	morn RevdKathy	11:18
johnx	hey RevdKathy	11:18
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johnx	timeless_mbp, so, was I testing something specific in your l10n?	11:19
timeless_mbp	nope, just breathe it	11:19
timeless_mbp	sejo: message sent	11:19
timeless_mbp	johnx: well	11:19
odin_	does the N900 support "WAP" settings? there is different APN for "Internet" and "WAP"	11:19
timeless_mbp	actually	11:19
timeless_mbp	test the clock	11:19
johnx	I liked "Switch off!" better. Everytime I read it I thought of C3PO yelling at R2D2 :)	11:19
timeless_mbp	odin_: we don't support WAP period	11:20
timeless_mbp	johnx: lol	11:20
odin_	WAP is just old-hat :)	11:20
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RevdKathy	Morning all. not really here but IT decided to remotely update my pc while I was using it so thought I'd see how xchat works on n900	11:20
RST38h	johnx: I run vultures executable with g+s	11:20
RST38h	johnx: Not running anything as root. It fails	11:20
timeless_mbp	RevdKathy: how nice of them	11:20
RST38h	johnx: Now, when I run vultures executable as root, it works	11:20
johnx	RST38h, if you try to do the things it does, by hand as the user, what happens?	11:21
RST38h	not getting permission of course	11:21
johnx	RST38h, did you add user to games?	11:21
RST38h	no, why should I?	11:22
johnx	timeless_mbp, so, uhm. did you change the timezone listing at the bottom right?	11:22
timeless_mbp	?	11:22
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timeless_mbp	johnx: i tried to move the japanese cities out of the ocea	11:22
timeless_mbp	n	11:22
johnx	errr...did it ever actually say the "name" of the timezone?	11:22
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RST38h	I have a vultures executable that has group set to games AND has g+s	11:22
johnx	like PST instead of GMT-8	11:22
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timeless_mbp	nope	11:22
timeless_mbp	we don't know that	11:22
timeless_mbp	(we're idiots)	11:23
RST38h	Shouldn't that be sufficient?	11:23
odin_	is there a GPRS connection failure log?	11:23
timeless_mbp	johnx: please file a bug in bugs.maemo.org	11:23
johnx	RST38h, I don't know what the code does :P just trying to think of a way to verify it with code that "should" work	11:23
RST38h	johnx: no use, better try verifying that the process does indeed guid to games	11:24
johnx	(code like "mkdir" and "touch" and "ln")	11:24
RST38h	Even THIS I cannot verify :(	11:24
johnx	heh. but if you could do it as user, you could mkdir from your launcher script :P	11:24
johnx	or touch or whatever	11:24
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RST38h	wait I found how to look up the group!!!	11:25
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RST38h	ok, the busybox ps is too braindamaged to support -o or O flag	11:28
RST38h	so, no doughnut	11:28
timeless_mbp	RST38h: i don't think busybox ps supports any flags	11:29
waz1	DDP will start shipping when they'll have 300 refurbished n900 I suppose :)	11:30
odin_	RST38h, im working on busyboxless package :)	11:30
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RST38h	The filesystem does nto seem to disable guid	11:31
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odin_	this will provide the same tools and place in /usr/local/bin (so shells and such can use proper versions)	11:31
* timeless_mbp needs to shoot a couple of people		11:31
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timeless_mbp	ok, can a nokian please walk me through setting up voip?	11:33
timeless_mbp	my n900 is tied to a non internationalized sim :(	11:33
odin_	u have VoIP provider? (I know about VoIP but have not gotten to doing that with N900 yet)	11:34
timeless_mbp	my employer supposedly	11:34
timeless_mbp	although apparently they do not approve of our protocol stack :o	11:34
odin_	is it asterisk based ?	11:35
ersin	is there somewhere i can get a .config list for the 770 kernel?	11:35
timeless_mbp	i kinda doubt it	11:35
johnx	ersin, you mean Nokia's one? yeah. I'd hope so	11:36
timeless_mbp	presumably there's a debian package w/ sources?	11:36
ersin	johnx, sorry sarcasm carries poorly over the internet...do you mean that it's obvious or that it's hopeless =P	11:36
johnx	ersin, neither ;) if they don't have it, they'll get hung out to dry by open source zealots :)	11:37
johnx	and I think they're smarter than that	11:37
ersin	hah true	11:37
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ersin	mm must be in a different jffs2 image...	11:37
johnx	hmm? the .config? I bet it's in their kernel-source debian package	11:38
ersin	oh good idea	11:38
johnx	do you have gregale sdk setup somewhere?	11:38
ersin	no, but maybe i can just dl it from the repo	11:38
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johnx	http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale/free/source/k/kernel-source-2.6.16/	11:38
ersin	ty	11:39
odin_	ok I take it other people have gotten GPRS/PacketData working for them ? I am Vodafone/UK and APN is setup but it wont connect "Internet connection failed. Try again?"	11:39
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* timeless_mbp really needs to strangle someone		11:39
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* johnx films it for youtube		11:40
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Lynoure	Such cooperation :) I love the Internet.	11:40
odin_	use a regular phone like everyone else .... its what the operators love... they dont like any of this VoIP nonsense, there is no money in that !	11:40
RevdKathy	Ok got a meeting to attend. It works, anyway! (thanks to GAN900 for installing to My Mo)	11:41
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RST38h	And guess what? She can even USE it at her meeting!	11:41
odin_	are there any GPRS connectivity logfiles? is GPRS a form of PPP ?	11:41
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johnx	RST38h, strangely enough. there are still professions where laptop/gadget use at meetings is kind of a faux pas	11:42
Stskeeps	johnx: it's excellent when laptops are banned but people use gadgets instead	11:43
Stskeeps	:P	11:43
RST38h	johnx: Well, there is always under-the-table!	11:43
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johnx	RST38h, yeah. I always choose to pretend they're just playing with their iphones ...	11:44
timeless_mbp	RST38h: doesn't work as well for a laptop as it does for a touchpad/phone	11:45
frals	nokia sweden finally shipping, mms here i come!	11:45
JamieBennett	Anyone seen a bug that makes you inbox become INBOX (and hence doesn't work) on the n900?	11:45
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ccooke	Good Morning	11:45
odin_	can it be connected via WLAN and GPRS at the same time ?	11:45
JamieBennett	s/you/your	11:45
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lbt_	odin_: I have it working - uk/vodaphone	11:46
RST38h	JamieBennett: Yes. It is called "installing PINE"	11:46
JamieBennett	lol	11:46
JamieBennett	RST38h, only have it on	11:47
JamieBennett	one account and its annoying	11:47
JamieBennett	Doesn't always do it, maybe 50/50	11:47
zaheerm	jeremiah, hi any idea if the fremantle build queue is stuck?	11:47
homeasvs	jeremiah, if it is, most likely it's because of my erlang build	11:48
homeasvs	jeremiah, if the build system also uses qemu, I also have some idea why it is hanging	11:48
odin_	lbt, I have APN setup (it was there by default, so maybe loaded from SIM or OTA SMS ?) its setup for "Vodafone Internet GPRS", "Packet Data", "Internet", "web", "web", Don't prompt for password at every login, Advanced settings nothing it setup all on AUTO, I am uk/vodafone/contract	11:48
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florian	good morning	11:50
johnx	woo! I think I dodged a bullet and don't have to re-image 21 machines at work	11:51
johnx	sometimes I almost wish ssh was a little less strict ...	11:51
RST38h	like, that it would read your mind and do the right thing?	11:54
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odin_	ok I give up on N900 GPRS for now... (like i gave up on Fedora12 last night, when my video card was not correctly supported, even through it was in FC5 which is what I run now)	11:57
* odin_ grumbles....		11:57
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odin_	tiflsc, is that a real IPv6 address you have there? or some kind of host-nickname ?	11:58
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johnx	odin_, trying to use the gps without any kind of internet connection or ...?	11:59
zaheerm	odin_, my wife has hers set for uk vodafone and it works...no advanced settings just choosing vodafone from the list of UK providers	11:59
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odin_	GPRS (Packet Data connection)	11:59
odin_	zaheerm, the list of UK providers? maybe I missed a step somewhere?	11:59
johnx	heh...I was following the whole conversation and yet I totally misread that	11:59
zaheerm	odin_, when you start the phone for the first time, it asks you	12:00
odin_	I have no idea how it got the current settings it has, but they are correct as per vodafone's website (and my other phone's a E72)	12:00
odin_	oh I had no SIM then (when I booted it up first time)	12:01
zaheerm	nor did she...but when she put sim in, that's when it asked	12:01
odin_	can't it guess provider from OperatorID	12:01
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odin_	well I guess I need to take the sim out and swap E72 one for N900 one and see if they work vice-versa	12:02
odin_	oh I like some of the thoughts/features of the E72 (only had that 2 weeks as well), we need to port some of them to N900 :)	12:03
tigert	odin_: tried the wizard?	12:04
odin_	push.email.net http://email.vodafone.net, also doesn't RIM have patent on "push email" but hasn't the BIFF service been around for 20 years + ?	12:04
tigert	no wait	12:04
odin_	I can't obviously see a wizard	12:06
odin_	but I am sure it is in front of me	12:06
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Myrtti	oh god I hate the new xournal :-(	12:09
Myrtti	is there a way to get the grid background?	12:10
odin_	the Settings -> Internet Connection -> New (only seems to let you setup WLAN, not PacketData?)	12:10
sejo	someone tried the MfE with zimbra? and can explain hom to do it?	12:10
odin_	I had better not accidentally select my GPRS profile, cus then I would be hosed !	12:11
Jaffa	odin_: it's through the phone bit/inserting a SIM & allowing data connection AFAICT	12:11
auenf	zimbra mfe is pay-for?	12:11
* odin_ looks at "phone bit" :)		12:11
* Jaffa is using his N900 on Vodafone UK with no probs.		12:12
sejo	auenf: bleh apparently :/	12:12
Myrtti	please tell me there's a way to choose grid background to xournal...?	12:12
auenf	only imap/pop/webmail is part of OSS	12:12
odin_	its a new number/SIM, so for all I know its vodafone's problem, but they say its all enabled	12:12
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canc	hello	12:13
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canc	is there a way to have boot options at startup ?	12:14
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RST38h	Myrtti: "New" Diablo xournal or new Fremantle xournal?	12:15
RST38h	Do you mean the lobotomized one from Fremantle?	12:15
Jaffa	Myrtti: ask anidel?	12:15
timeless_mbp	canc: eh? what for/why?	12:15
woglinde	moo rst	12:16
RST38h	Jaffa: that has been done, he promised to bring the normal UI back after Barcelona	12:16
* timeless_mbp pokes Jaffa / GAN900 for en testing		12:16
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Myrtti	RST38h: fremantle :-(	12:16
tiflsc	odin_: it's real. university is v6 ready	12:16
* Myrtti cries		12:16
Myrtti	this is no good for designing knitting patterns anymore :-(	12:16
RST38h	Myrtti: Anidel says he had to go back to this lobotomized UI due to Fremantle UI "guidelines"	12:16
Myrtti	sigh	12:17
canc	timeless_mbp: I got a N900, and it freeze during the boot I wonder if there is a way to see what module is going wrong	12:17
Jaffa	timeless_mbp: 'fraid not. Using random Helsinki wifi and have got to head back shortly.	12:17
RST38h	Myrtti: He did promised to bring back the normal UI, if someone helps him with advice on how to add it all in Maemo54	12:17
RST38h	5	12:17
RST38h	Myrtti: So, catch him here and do not get off his back until this happens =)	12:17
Myrtti	I hope someone does, I can't code even the bloody counter widget...	12:18
RST38h	Myrtti: he does not need help coding	12:18
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Myrtti	RST38h: I mean, I have probably no skills in what he needs help for	12:18
woglinde	hm hm	12:18
RST38h	Myrtti: He needs help arranging all the xournal settings so that they are all easily accessible, without resorting to a traditional Maemo4 menu	12:18
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Myrtti	ah, ok	12:18
woglinde	hm xournal	12:18
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timeless_mbp	Jaffa: you're in town?	12:19
timeless_mbp	and you didn't say hello?	12:19
RST38h	Myrtti: You probably know that Maemo5 Design Guide is not helping by stating that "you should reduce the amount of options available in your app to simplify the UI"	12:19
timeless_mbp	canc: generally speaking we do debugging via a serial console	12:19
RST38h	Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/08/optima-op5-e-resurfaces-with-english-os-gets-lengthy-video-revi/	12:20
timeless_mbp	if you don't have a serial console then passing random boot flags won't get you very far	12:20
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Myrtti	RST38h: the irony of that which coincides with my work the past few months, doesn't go unnoticed, I'm laughing and crying at the same time.	12:20
Myrtti	Design guide... oh boy.	12:21
Stskeeps	RST38h: yeah, we just discussed it in mer. they seem to have various copyright infringement issues (nokia sans, etc)	12:21
Stskeeps	RST38h: that said, they do have a huge bunch of self made work	12:21
RST38h	Stskeeps: Which will not help them with copyright issues, unfortunately	12:21
woglinde	hm uh vmware now released there embedded hypervisor	12:21
frals	they use ms icons and sounds as well from what i gatheredo n that mid	12:21
Stskeeps	woglinde: url?	12:21
canc	timeless_mbp: ok, so if I want to have it booting again, I have to look for a serial console ? does it work even if the maemo system is down ?	12:21
RST38h	Stskeeps: So, the only thing saving them from a police raid is Nokia China not knowing which government buttons to push	12:22
Stskeeps	RST38h: they are trying to sell it in the US	12:22
RST38h	Myrtti: Yes, suffer now ;)~~~	12:22
timeless_mbp	canc: serial consoles don't lie around in general	12:22
timeless_mbp	they mostly live in nokia offices	12:22
RST38h	Stskeeps: well...umgh...you know	12:22
canc	timeless_mbp: Not sure I like this answer :/	12:23
Myrtti	RST38h: oy, I didn't write it! I've just... helped create... the framework it's done on... cough	12:23
Stskeeps	canc: make a fbcon kernel	12:23
timeless_mbp	canc: i'm not sure you got the message, but roughly "don't do that"	12:23
timeless_mbp	if your device has a problem, take it to nokia care	12:23
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RST38h	Myrtti: The Tentacled One does not differentiate!	12:24
canc	timeless_mbp: It's not a question of do or don't, the device freeze during boot time, I mean, if it's a linux, I may be able to do something ?	12:24
* timeless_mbp shrugs		12:24
canc	ok :)	12:24
woglinde	stskeep -> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/VMware-MVP/	12:24
RST38h	Myrtti: Seriously though, there are several ways to work around the UI framework defficiencies	12:24
timeless_mbp	you may be able to void your warranty too, that doesn't mean you should :)	12:25
RST38h	Myrtti: Anidel just has not looked at them yet, I guess	12:25
timeless_mbp	canc: roughly, if you don't report this to nokia care, nokia isn't officially aware of the problem	12:25
timeless_mbp	which actually sucks from our perspective	12:25
woglinde	args	12:25
woglinde	okay	12:25
woglinde	I should read to the end	12:25
canc	timeless_mbp: you're right	12:25
woglinde	2012	12:25
timeless_mbp	canc: put another way, it's a consumer electronics device, you're supposed to complain like a consumer, not fix it yourself	12:26
odin_	does the serial console not work with the existing tooling ? maybe someone orght to write up a Wiki page on how to make one	12:26
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timeless_mbp	RST38h: "wow"	12:27
canc	timeless_mbp: So my idea of it's a linux powered device, I may be able to fix it when it won'twork anymore is wrong	12:27
timeless_mbp	(watching video)	12:27
timeless_mbp	canc: well, you could do that	12:27
timeless_mbp	but it's the wrong mindset	12:27
odin_	yes I must pay more attention to the "Limited Warranty" terms	12:27
timeless_mbp	that mindset is more suitable for openmoko devices	12:27
timeless_mbp	you're paying for a warranty	12:28
timeless_mbp	you should use it	12:28
odin_	s/for a warranty/for a LIMITED warranty/	12:28
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timeless_mbp	(and you're paying for support)	12:28
* Jaffa heads back for the prodding		12:28
woglinde	prodding?	12:28
canc	timeless_mbp: ok, in my world when a linux device freeze during the boot sequence, I try to see what's going wrong, I'm not used to this warranty things	12:28
Stskeeps	canc: if you're a linux hacker, then make a fbcon kernel and take it from there :P	12:29
canc	Stskeeps: I'll have a look at fbcon, I don't know yet what it is :)	12:29
mece	Hello, has anyone gotten google-album-art-downloader to work?	12:29
Stskeeps	canc: fbcon is the stuff to get you framebuffer console	12:30
canc	Stskeeps: It's what I'm reading :)	12:30
* odin_ goes and starts hacking a NOLO Yee-Haaaah!		12:30
Stskeeps	odin_: say bye bye to your soon-to-be-brick	12:31
Stskeeps	:P	12:31
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odin_	hmm I just realised the E72 batter us huge compared to N900	12:34
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timeless_mbp	RST38h: i want to see that guy stick it in his pocket	12:35
RST38h	What are you talking about?	12:35
odin_	but actually N900 is almost same capacity... 1320mAh v 1500mAh	12:35
RST38h	the chinese mid?	12:35
timeless_mbp	> Optima OP5-E resurfaces with English OS, gets lengthy video review	12:35
RST38h	ah ok	12:35
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sejo	how do I sync with ovi on the n900?	12:37
timeless_mbp	sejo: is that supported?	12:37
sejo	timeless_mbp: I hope so!	12:37
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hrw	morning	12:37
derf	So what do I do when, 8 hours after uploading to the autobuilder, my packages still aren't in the repository and there's no mention of them in https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ ?	12:37
sejo	timeless_mbp: would be a serious foil if I can't sync my contacts/calendar with nothing but exchange	12:38
woglinde	hi hrw	12:38
sejo	s/foil/fai/	12:38
infobot	sejo meant: timeless_mbp: would be a serious fai if I can't sync my contacts/calendar with nothing but exchange	12:38
sejo	s/foil/fail/	12:38
infobot	sejo meant: timeless_mbp: would be a serious fail if I can't sync my contacts/calendar with nothing but exchange	12:38
timeless_mbp	sejo: um, there are 2 windows apps Nokia PC Suite and Ovi Suite	12:38
timeless_mbp	my experience w/ Ovi Suite was awful	12:39
sejo	timeless_mbp: on the site I can't add the n900 to the supported devices	12:39
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timeless_mbp	i think it basically said "thanks for wasting your time downloading our junk, but we don't support you"	12:39
sejo	timeless_mbp: I don't use windows... ever...	12:39
sejo	lol	12:39
timeless_mbp	wine :)	12:39
mece	and cheese!	12:39
sejo	no way!	12:39
timeless_mbp	pc suite otoh can sync contacts/calendar/... to the n900	12:39
hrw	timeless_mbp: my experience with any win32 nokia tools was awful	12:39
sejo	:p	12:39
mece	I use wine for spotify.	12:39
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mece	speaking of which...	12:40
mece	gotta compile despotify for this baby!	12:40
timeless_mbp	(but pc suite sync kinda talks to outlook, which you probably wouldn't have)	12:40
zaheerm	derf, the autobuilder is stuck	12:40
johnx	has anyone looked into syncing with the evolution data server on the device?	12:41
sejo	timeless_mbp: nope don't have it	12:41
johnx	there was some effort for maemo 4	12:41
zaheerm	derf, https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ shows the backlog	12:41
johnx	sync-eveolution or something?	12:41
lucent	is the N900 screen likely to crack? I don't have one delivered yet, so I have questions about durability	12:41
sejo	just supporting syncML would be great	12:41
timeless_mbp	lucent: if you sit on it?	12:41
lucent	just wonder if it's going to survive being compressed inside a backpack	12:41
Stskeeps	lucent: mine has taken a fair beating so far	12:41
derf	zaheerm: Oh, good, that was what I was looking for.	12:41
timeless_mbp	probably	12:41
timeless_mbp	"don't do that"	12:41
timeless_mbp	oh, don't jump on it either!	12:42
lucent	more or less so than Apple product like iPhone or iPod ?	12:42
timeless_mbp	and no taking a hammer to the screen	12:42
sejo	a nail and a hammer would do the trick also	12:42
zaheerm	jeremiah, ping re: autobuilder being stuck probably due to erlang package	12:42
sejo	or a hammer alone	12:42
mece	lucent, it's not glass, so it wont crack like an iphone	12:42
timeless_mbp	sejo: =b	12:42
sejo	a nail alone would be a challenge though	12:42
johnx	sejo, you could probably use it to let the LC in your LCD out :)	12:43
lucent	thanks for the responses	12:43
mece	if it's a big nail and you use force, it should break easily.	12:43
sejo	lol johnx	12:43
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odin_	ok I switched SIMs and now the N900 can use Vodafone internet ok, but E72 can not, so it is a Vodafone problem !	12:44
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johnx	odin_, awesome! yeah I haven't heard of many people having problems like that	12:45
zaheerm	odin_, kick vodafone in the arse :)	12:45
johnx	and the reason it works: because you gave up earlier ;)	12:45
lucent	I'm pondering whether to bring an N900 with me when I'm doing sports like skiing/snowboarding	12:45
timeless_mbp	lucent: i'd skip taking it down w/ you when you go skuba diving :)	12:46
lucent	can take quite a beating in a breast pocket if I yard sale badly	12:46
timeless_mbp	s/skuba/scuba/	12:46
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: lucent: i'd skip taking it down w/ you when you go scuba diving :)	12:46
johnx	lucent, that's what I keep "last gen" devices around for	12:46
Stskeeps	lucent: get a hard case for it?	12:46
lucent	Stskeeps: which hard case do you like for the N900?	12:46
Stskeeps	lucent: i have a pouch personally since i don't snowboard.	12:46
timeless_mbp	i'd probably just by a disposable phone for the slopes	12:47
range	As you cannot use the N900 with only one hand, it's not the perfect snowboard phone anyway :)	12:47
timeless_mbp	you're not really going to be doing a lot of GPS/Web Surfing as you go up or down..	12:47
timeless_mbp	i suppose the lifts could be long..	12:47
lucent	I was thinking about GPS	12:47
zemm	timeless_mbp: if i may ask stupidish question; few days ago you said something about problems (with flashing and out of sync?) if there were symlinks from /usr to secondary fs. Wouldn't flashing reset the rootfs and replace symlinks with real files and the previous files would be un-used abritrary files on eMMC?	12:48
* timeless_mbp did take an n800 or two and probably an n810 up on a gondola @whistler		12:48
lucent	to track my activity / ascent / descent	12:48
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timeless_mbp	zemm: until you try too use the script	12:48
Stskeeps	lucent: get a gps collector gadget and unload afterwars	12:48
zemm	what script	12:48
timeless_mbp	the point is your file system is out of sync	12:48
zaheerm	or use ecoach	12:48
johnx	ah. I was going to say: "If you're relying on that GPS for life/death reasons, you're in line for a Darwin award."	12:48
timeless_mbp	whichever one makes the symlinks	12:48
timeless_mbp	lucent: i'd get a dedicated device for that	12:49
timeless_mbp	there are certainly devices for cyclists	12:49
lucent	okay	12:49
zemm	i was thinking about just doing it by hand in case i some day need =P	12:49
timeless_mbp	i'd be shocked if there aren't similar ones for skiers	12:49
timeless_mbp	zemm: again, the big problem is merging the data	12:50
timeless_mbp	which is virtually impossible	12:50
lucent	I've ordered a Zagg screen protector, and a Nokia CP321 case	12:50
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zemm	but wouldn't the whole thing be reset with flashing? so all the files i may have moved to another fs, would be irrelevant and deleted? back to starting point	12:50
lucent	guess I'm just anxious for my N900 order to ship	12:51
zemm	well let me put it this way: if i flash the rootfs of my device, will all my installed applications be gone?	12:52
Stskeeps	zemm: yes, but some might remain on /opt on the internal SD	12:52
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zemm	that would sound like a potentially broken stuff :o	12:52
Stskeeps	zemm: personally i hope next SSU will wipe /opt at first boot, but hmm	12:53
sejo	lucent: the wait well be worted even without proper calendar/contacts syncing grin	12:53
Stskeeps	:P	12:53
johnx	zemm, yes, but at least you won't be able to easily uninstall it after reflashing	12:53
timeless_mbp	Stskeeps: that'd piss me off	12:53
timeless_mbp	i have media in there	12:53
Stskeeps	timeless_mbp: in the 2gb? :P	12:53
johnx	timeless, in /opt or ~MyDocs?	12:53
timeless_mbp	(it will be, but is not yet managed by a package)	12:53
timeless_mbp	in /opt	12:53
johnx	"don't do that"	12:53
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Stskeeps	err i mean next fw image, not ssu	12:54
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timeless_mbp	so, "if user is dumb enough to reflash, let them lose /opt/*" ?	12:54
timeless_mbp	i could live w/ that	12:54
timeless_mbp	you roughly speaking need to do that	12:54
Stskeeps	timeless_mbp: right	12:54
timeless_mbp	but it needs a bigger warning than the one we have	12:55
johnx	I suggest replacing the users	12:55
sejo	lol	12:55
johnx	I did that at work and it's made a ton of difference	12:55
zemm	i know there is something that i don's understand here.. if there is folder /foo/bar on rootfs that would be wiped out with flashing, how can it be different if i had linked it to another fs, and it would be disconnected on flashing (link replaced by original dir, and me manually deleting the now disconnected /home/foo/bar) :(	12:56
sejo	bit hard for the cashflow usually johnx	12:56
johnx	sejo, well I changed jobs in the process, but from my point of view I stopped having teenagers using windows and now have adults using macs (and some linux!)	12:57
johnx	anyways, 3AM here. time for some sleep :)	12:57
johnx	'night chaps	12:57
woglinde	nite johny	12:58
woglinde	args x	12:58
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murrayc	Does anyone know of a desktop widget or status applet that's implemented with Qt?	13:00
woglinde	murrayc kde?	13:01
woglinde	should have a lot	13:01
Stskeeps	murrayc: there was a project re plasma on hildon desktop	13:01
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zaheerm	a hildon desktop widget/status applet?	13:02
woglinde	zaheerm qt	13:02
woglinde	not gtk	13:02
zaheerm	yes but for hildon desktop	13:02
zaheerm	not for kde right?	13:02
murrayc	zaheerm: Yes.	13:02
woglinde	yeah	13:02
woglinde	but maybee its no so diffrent	13:02
zaheerm	it shouldn't be much different from a gtk+ one	13:02
woglinde	dontknow howmany functions kdelibs warps	13:03
murrayc	zaheerm: I'm wondering how a qmake-based application would get a pkg-config variable, and I know that desktop widgets and status applets need to do that to discover the install locations.	13:03
VDVsx	murrayc, there's some silly demo in extras-devel	13:03
woglinde	hi VDVsx	13:03
VDVsx	woglinde, hey	13:03
murrayc	zaheerm: Well, it's a GTK+ based API - you have to derive a GObject.	13:03
lcuk	murrayc, at the summit Mek managed to get qt based desktop widgets running, whether they were the expected version or not im not sure, but its a lead. you might also call into #qt-maemo and ask there	13:04
murrayc	OK, thanks.	13:05
Stskeeps	http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4078	13:05
woglinde	gm lcuk	13:05
murrayc	Mek, do you have a URL for some code?	13:05
lcuk	mornin woglinde	13:05
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timeless_mbp	zemm: the assumption we have is that for any link you create once off the root fs	13:08
timeless_mbp	you're likely to want to recreate it later after reflashing	13:08
ersin	hmm is there any easy way of merging deprecated kernel drivers back into a new kernel?	13:08
woglinde	sigh I want newer debhelper in fremantle	13:08
timeless_mbp	the data that spans that link is going to be in a mixed state	13:08
timeless_mbp	woglinde: one where triggers work?	13:09
timeless_mbp	woglinde: you're greedy	13:09
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* timeless_mbp wants en(us\|gb) testers/speakers w/ n900s		13:09
woglinde	timeless_mbp nope where dh_override works	13:10
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odin_	right the issue I think was lack of provisioning of Internet PacketData service on SIM, tut!	13:11
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zemm	so the point was just the case that i would do the linking again, to the old files (from before flashing?) which of course i would not do	13:12
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timeless_mbp	woglinde: bah. you're being lazy	13:12
timeless_mbp	zemm: why wouldn't you?	13:12
timeless_mbp	obviously you did it the first time	13:12
timeless_mbp	and note that the original discussion involved asking nokia to do this	13:12
timeless_mbp	you're free to do whatever the heck you lik	13:12
timeless_mbp	s/lik/like/	13:13
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: you're free to do whatever the heck you like	13:13
zemm	when i did it the first time, i copied the files as they were in the moment the linking was done	13:13
timeless_mbp	but if what you do happens to change how the system works for more than just you, we have problems	13:13
timeless_mbp	zemm: again, your /opt will be horribly out of sycn	13:13
timeless_mbp	s/sycn/sync	13:13
zemm	of course. my main point of asking in the first place was just that usually there is always something about anything that you might not know	13:14
timeless_mbp	Stskeeps is right, the only safe way to do it is rm -rf /opt/*	13:14
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woglinde	timeless_mbp sure why do want rework debian packages	13:14
woglinde	to older cruft	13:14
zemm	eg. would be that for some mysterious hack the whole symlink would not work in the first place :)	13:14
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woglinde	now I am trying imagemagick	13:15
zemm	as it would in general linux	13:15
timeless_mbp	parse error	13:15
* timeless_mbp gives up		13:15
timeless_mbp	there are a couple of issues	13:15
derf	woglinde: I wanted a newer debhelper in bora.	13:15
derf	Good luck with that.	13:15
timeless_mbp	1. /opt isn't mounted at the beginning of the boot process, no idea when it comes	13:15
timeless_mbp	2. dealing w/ /opt across flashings is painful	13:15
woglinde	derf lol	13:16
woglinde	I never touched bora	13:16
woglinde	nor will I	13:16
derf	You shouldn't have.	13:16
woglinde	despite the old days to get pptp running on N700	13:16
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woglinde	hm whats -R for an gcc option	13:16
derf	It's a linker option.	13:17
woglinde	~lart imagemagick	13:17
* infobot puts imagemagick into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of imagemagick's hair of		13:17
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woglinde	~lart imagemagick for not understanding autotools and libtool	13:18
derf	_Nobody_ understands autotools and libtool.	13:18
derf	Anyone who claims to is lying to you.	13:18
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woglinde	haha	13:19
woglinde	I am not a liar	13:19
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derf	I don't believe you.	13:19
woglinde	your problem	13:19
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derf	If you "understand" them, perhaps you can tell me why it insisted on adding `cygpath -w ...` around all of my source files.	13:19
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derf	Despite the fact that I am in no way using cygwin, or any other Windows thing.	13:20
homeasvs	if anyone is a maemo admin or knows one, please, take a look at the fremantle devel build queue	13:20
* infobot executes killall -KILL imagemagick for not understanding autotools and libtool		13:20
derf	homeasvs: It's building my package finally!	13:20
derf	Don't make them kill it now.	13:20
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timeless	heh	13:20
derf	17 minutes to build something that takes a few seconds on my 3 year old laptop.	13:20
woglinde	derf more context	13:20
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homeasvs	derf, which is yours, and how do you know it's building ?	13:21
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zaheerm	homeasvs, i think something has cleared up it's building more packages now	13:21
zemm	how can it even be that the /opt is left as it is after flashing, isn't there essential files in rootfs for every optified application (desktop files, icons etc) so those won't work anyway, and what about package management data (wiped in flashing?), would those applications partially in the system appear not installed anyway?	13:21
woglinde	derf show me the code	13:22
VDVsx	derf, you know the 770 is a bit slower than your laptop ;)	13:23
timeless_mbp	zemm: i'm pretty sure no one thought about the consequences of /opt installed stuff for flashing	13:23
zemm	in "clean" (flashed) system, should there be something in /opt or would it be just rm -r /opt/* like you said	13:23
homeasvs	hm, but still no update on my erlang build	13:23
derf	woglinde: ./configure --host=c6x-linux --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu lead to build lines like	13:24
derf	/home/derf/bin/c64x-cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../include -I../include -D_V_SELFTEST -O -I/opt/TI/C6000CGT6.1.12/include -c -o test_bitwise-bitwise.obj `cygpath -w bitwise.c`	13:24
timeless_mbp	afaik /opt should be empty	13:24
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timeless_mbp	but you'd need rm -rf /opt/.* /opt/*	13:24
homeasvs	X-Fade, ping	13:24
derf	woglinde: Code is at http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=ogg-c64x.git;a=summary	13:24
timeless_mbp	(probably better to do:	13:24
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timeless_mbp	mv /home/opt /home/opt.dying	13:24
timeless_mbp	mkdir /home/opt	13:24
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timeless_mbp	rm -rf /home/opt.dying &	13:25
timeless_mbp	)	13:25
zaheerm	derf, cool you building the theora dsp packages?	13:25
derf	zaheerm: I'm building broken ones.	13:25
lardman\|home	morning	13:25
derf	They build, but they don't work.	13:25
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lardman\|home	timeless_mbp!	13:25
lardman\|home	did you see my messages?	13:25
derf	homeasvs: I'm finally getting output under https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/	13:25
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RST38h	hey, lardman, wanna chat about those subtitles some more?	13:25
timeless_mbp	um	13:25
derf	homeasvs: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/gjiten_2.6-1maemo3/summary.log	13:25
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lardman\|home	RST38h: subtitles, as in the brainstorm/bug thing?	13:26
homeasvs	derf, ah, ok, so that's what it should look like if it passed one builder :)	13:26
lardman\|home	RST38h: if it's quick, have work to do really	13:26
homeasvs	guess I'll be waiting some more	13:26
derf	homeasvs: Yeah, note the timestamps... 17 minutes just for ARM.	13:26
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derf	Maybe x86 will be faster?	13:26
derf	I don't know. I didn't even bother to test it on x86.	13:26
derf	But the old version used to work there.	13:27
lardman\|home	anyone know about brainstorm btw, do I need to promote my "ideas"?	13:27
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zaheerm	derf, why broken ones? :)	13:27
derf	zaheerm: I wish I knew!	13:27
timeless_mbp	lardman\|home: join other channel	13:27
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timeless_mbp	zaheerm: there's no fun in building working ones	13:28
timeless_mbp	nothing to do ! :)	13:28
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lardman\|home	timeless_mbp: what was the chan name?	13:28
myrtti	hm, what was my quit message?	13:28
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RST38h	lardman: I have checked gst-plugins-base in Maemo5 and upstream	13:28
RST38h	lardman: The upstream HAS a plugin to show subtitles and also the plugins to parse them from .sub/.srt	13:28
Stskeeps	Myrtti: remote closed the connection	13:28
Myrtti	right	13:28
derf	But after 8+ hours fighting with autotools, I'm starting to care a lot less.	13:29
Myrtti	irssi crashed	13:29
sejo	johnx: that is a big advancement!	13:29
RST38h	lardman: The Maemo5 package does not have them, even at the source level in the git	13:29
lardman\|home	RST38h: what's the name of the overall wrapper?	13:29
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RST38h	lardman: showsubtitles.[ch]	13:29
lardman\|home	RST38h: well I compiled and installed subparse, but no joy	13:29
RST38h	lardman: It is just TWO files	13:29
timeless_mbp	Myrtti: nice	13:29
RST38h	lardman: Which are parts of the base gst distro	13:29
derf	I think autotools and libtool have done more to set back the progress of open source software than anything Microsoft or any other evil corporate empire could ever have devised.	13:29
RST38h	lardman: subparse alone will not work unless you have these	13:29
lardman\|home	oh ok	13:30
zaheerm	RST38h, yes but the media player has to set properties on the playbin2 element to display them	13:30
lardman\|home	derf: +10	13:30
RST38h	zaheerm: this may be in a config file somewhere, I would talk to ab (aka abbra) about it	13:30
lardman\|home	zaheerm: the gst page reckons it should just work with playbin	13:30
RST38h	he knows where to look	13:30
RST38h	lardman: You have time to wait until I find the relevant URLs again?	13:31
lardman\|home	sure	13:31
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zaheerm	lardman, suburi : Optional URI of a subtitle	13:31
zaheerm	flags: readable, writable	13:31
zaheerm	String. Default: null Current: null	13:31
zaheerm	lardman, for external subtitles....	13:31
lardman\|home	yep	13:32
zaheerm	so it needs to be set	13:32
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lardman\|home	that's a playbin property?	13:32
zaheerm	yes	13:32
zaheerm	playbin2 property	13:32
lardman\|home	Could you add that to this?: http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/support_subtitles_in_media_player	13:33
lardman\|home	or we can re-open the bug	13:33
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lardman\|home	as I hate brainstorm	13:33
RST38h	lardman: #1: search for subtitleoverlay here: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html	13:33
timeless_mbp	lardman\|home: heh	13:33
zaheerm	lardman\|home, yah better in a bug i think...	13:34
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woglinde	derf bahahahahaa look .msi its really evil	13:34
lardman\|home	zaheerm: Quim wanted it moved to brainstorm....	13:34
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zaheerm	lardman\|home, well that brainstorm is very vague	13:34
lardman\|home	very rubbish imo	13:35
timeless_mbp	roughly speaking, the internal bugzilla doesn't handle enhancements	13:35
RST38h	lardman: #2: source code in HEAD: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-base/tree/gst/playback	13:35
timeless_mbp	historically anyway	13:35
lardman\|home	timeless_mbp: ah	13:35
timeless_mbp	and to the extent that our goal is to entice engineers (and managers) into the public one	13:35
derf	woglinde: Yes, but I don't have to use it.	13:35
timeless_mbp	we need to make them feel at home	13:35
lardman\|home	zaheerm, RST38h, hang on a tick, let me find you the bug number	13:35
RST38h	lardman: #3: Maemo sources of gst: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle-20091116/source/gst-plugins-base0.10/gst/playback/	13:35
timeless_mbp	they like tracking "bugs"	13:35
woglinde	derf do you have a svn/git somewhere?	13:35
RST38h	lardman: this is it	13:35
timeless_mbp	and get very confused by "features"	13:35
woglinde	jo lardman	13:35
derf	I just gave you a pointer to the git repository?	13:36
woglinde	hms	13:36
timeless_mbp	note: i think the fact that our managers can't handle this is a bug in our managers	13:36
timeless_mbp	but it's hard to fix them	13:36
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SpeedEvil	timeless: file a bug	13:36
timeless_mbp	RST38h++	13:36
zemm	i added .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/hildon , is there some command that reloads those?	13:37
timeless_mbp	SpeedEvil: i'm still trying to get nokia to spell the capital of mexico correctly	13:37
timeless_mbp	i can't find the right bug tracker	13:37
timeless_mbp	zemm: you looked in more... ?	13:37
woglinde	derf uh so you are the ogg dsp devloper	13:37
SpeedEvil	timeless: That's silly. 'M'.	13:37
lardman\|home	~lart bugzilla for not showning closed bugs under "My Bugs"	13:37
* infobot gives bugzilla a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" for not showning closed bugs under "My Bugs"		13:37
derf	woglinde: I am not, actually, but I will ultimately be maintaining the code.	13:37
zemm	timeless?	13:37
timeless_mbp	lardman\|home: um	13:37
RST38h	lardman: got all three urls?	13:37
lardman\|home	bug 6464	13:38
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6464 Support Subtitles in Media Player	13:38
timeless	https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?newquery=bug_status%3DUNCONFIRMED%26bug_status%3DNEW%26bug_status%3DASSIGNED%26bug_status%3DREOPENED%26email1%3Dtimeless%40gmail.com%26emailassigned_to1%3D1%26emailreporter1%3D1%26emailtype1%3Dexact%26field-1-0-0%3Dbug_status%26field-1-1-0%3Dassigned_to%26field-1-1-1%3Dreporter%26query_format%3Dadvanced%26remaction%3D%26type-1-0-0%3Danyexact%26type-1-1-0%3Danyexact%26type-1-1-1%3Danyexact%26value-1-0-0%3DUNCONFIRMED%2CNE	13:38
woglinde	derf hm ah its libogg forked	13:38
timeless	=> lardman	13:38
lardman\|home	RST38h: yes, but not going to have any chance to look at it for a couple of weeks	13:38
timeless	eep	13:38
plr_	nice url	13:38
timeless	did i screw that up?	13:38
timeless	i did, sorry, hold	13:38
lardman\|home	RST38h: Xisdibik was the man who was really after support	13:38
plr_	maybe tinyurl it?	13:38
RST38h	lardman: I know you can handle this stuff, not sure about Xisdibik	13:39
timeless	https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?newquery=bug_file_loc%3D%26bug_file_loc_type%3Dallwordssubstr%26bug_id%3D%26bugidtype%3Dinclude%26chfieldfrom%3D%26chfieldto%3DNow%26chfieldvalue%3D%26email1%3Dtimeless%40gmail.com%26email2%3D%26emailassigned_to1%3D1%26emailreporter1%3D1%26emailtype1%3Dexact%26emailtype2%3Dsubstring%26field-1-0-0%3Dassigned_to%26field-1-0-1%3Dreporter%26field0-0-0%3Dnoop%26keywords%3D%26keywords_type%3Dallwords%26long_desc%3D%26long_desc	13:39
timeless	arg	13:39
timeless	no, no no	13:39
lardman\|home	Quim's comment was:	13:39
lardman\|home	The scope of bugs.maemo.org are bugs and only very specific and no-brainer	13:39
lardman\|home	enhancement requests. This report contains a feature request that is too	13:39
lardman\|home	generic for bugs.maemo.org. Please post this problem and propose your	13:39
lardman\|home	solution in Maemo Brainstorm instead:	13:39
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derf	woglinde: Right. I am unforking as much as possible.	13:39
zaheerm	lardman\|home, i added a comment to the brainstorm	13:39
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homeasvs	does ovi maps seriously have no way to create bookmarks or waypoints ?	13:39
timeless	does our bugzilla not do pronouns?	13:39
lardman\|home	zaheerm: thanks	13:40
timeless	homeasvs: correct	13:40
timeless	why would you want those?	13:40
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lardman\|home	anyone know if I need to promote a brainstorm idea or something?	13:40
timeless	it's not like it supports navigation either	13:40
derf	homeasvs: Ovi maps is a joke. You should just pretend it doesn't exist.	13:40
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RST38h	brainstorm ideas are kinda pointless :(	13:40
range	lardman\|home: To get it out of waiting? I'd also like to know that.	13:40
homeasvs	I know it's a joke, but I can't even imaging nokia releasing it without some basic features	13:40
RST38h	promote, no promote, it does not matter	13:40
derf	homeasvs: But that's the funny part!	13:40
lardman\|home	RST38h: no-one can see it otherwise though	13:41
lardman\|home	which means I've wasted time	13:41
sejo	http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/pim_support/ <-- so it should work?	13:41
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range	sejo: Well, there is PIM support in 5. Not that you could sync it with anything else than Windows, but it is there.	13:43
derf	Is there any way to tell the autobuilder _not_ to build x86 packages?	13:43
woglinde	bye	13:43
X-Fade	derf: Sure, just specify armel only at the arch.	13:43
woglinde	def hm per arch	13:44
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woglinde	x-fade g	13:44
sejo	range: ok	13:44
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X-Fade	Argh, why does freenode op me all the time ;)	13:44
sejo	X-Fade: because fou set autoop	13:44
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derf	Ah, in place of "any"?	13:44
sejo	s/fou/you/	13:44
infobot	sejo meant: X-Fade: because you set autoop	13:44
derf	I mean, it _should_ work. But it fails, and the error message is completely useless.	13:45
X-Fade	sejo: Nah, I didn't but I guess that is a side effect of me becoming founder.	13:45
timeless_mbp	ok, i give up	13:45
derf	/scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/bin/sbox-i486-pc-linux-gnu-strip: Unable to recognise the format of the input file `debian/gjiten-dics/usr/bin/gjiten_setdic'	13:45
lardman\|home	X-Fade: it's because it missed you	13:45
sejo	X-Fade: that can be also remove the O mode	13:45
hrw	timeless_mbp: on what?	13:45
derf	That's the only reference to setdic at all... I'm not sure it even re-built it after the ARM compile.	13:46
timeless_mbp	writing the bugzilla query i wanted to give out	13:46
timeless_mbp	lardman\|home: roughly, you can save any query you like	13:46
timeless_mbp	i'd recommend saving one that makes sense	13:46
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ab	zaheerm, RST38h: http://gitorious.org/mafw-gst-eq-renderer/mafw-gst-eq-renderer/blobs/master/libmafw-gst-renderer/mafw-gst-renderer-worker.c#line1724	13:48
xorAxAx	hrw: doesnt sound too good	13:49
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ab	zaheerm, I guess you could ask Juan to include suburi configuration in his equalizer fork so that both can be combined	13:50
hrw	xorAxAx: thats how they work ;(	13:52
Jaffa	X-Fade: how's the catchup going? Lots of packages changes to enact :/	13:52
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zaheerm	ab, line 1757 - 1762 of that file is used in n900?	13:53
ab	zaheerm, it is fork of what is used.	13:53
hrw	question about maemo.gitorious.org I have: how often code from there is built/packaged? or users are expected to track changes, do builds and upgrade own devices?	13:53
zaheerm	ab, ah wait that is only for plkaybin1	13:53
VDVsx	hey X-Fade, we need to discuss some stuff about the q&a improvements, when you have some time please poke me :)	13:53
X-Fade	Jaffa: Catching up goes.. well... what should I say ;)	13:54
ab	zaheerm, it tries to instantiate playbin2 and falls back to playbin if that has failed	13:54
X-Fade	VDVsx: Sure, any discussions I need to look at?	13:55
ab	hrw, when appropriate projects consider code quality. For many projects m.g.o is the primary place where development happens. Our build system is capable to build straight from m.g.o	13:55
VDVsx	X-Fade, yes, 1 sec	13:55
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hrw	ab: and those projects will do releases of packages independent from firmware releases?	13:56
ab	hrw, currently not. I hope this will change with Harmattan.	13:56
Myrtti	yawn	13:57
hrw	ab: so m.g.o exists but users have to wait for official firmware releases (which dates are never known) or do builds on their own?	13:57
ab	hrw, it is more on higher level how product is gathered together and deployed. We supply code :)	13:57
ab	hrw, I do not see it different to any other distributions.	13:58
hrw	ab: I use debian 'sid' and got used to get new version of XYC when XYC project released new version	13:58
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ab	hrw, in case of debian you depend on Debian's machinery and integration system. I.e. package maintainers upload packages to build servers and then they are pushed to repositories. It is same here, with a difference that the people and scripts who are "pushing to the repositories" different from maintainers and have their own schedule.	14:00
zaheerm	ab, MAFW_GST_RENDERER_DISABLE_PULSE_VOLUME is defined or not defined in fremantle?	14:00
ab	zaheerm, I'm not a developer for MAFW, so can't say for sure.	14:01
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thp	does anyone know how to charge a BL-5J (N900 battery) in a N810?	14:01
zaheerm	ab, if it is not defined, it sets flags such that text is disabled...	14:01
Jaffa	thp: small wires and cable clips?	14:01
Jaffa	thp: carefully?	14:01
zaheerm	ab, who is relevant to ask?	14:01
ab	zaheerm, I think if you want to add subtitles, you anyway would need to modify the code along lines I've shown. So it makes sense to combine your effort with what Juan is doing.	14:02
Myrtti	Jaffa: reminds me of the old joke "how do hedgehogs have sex"	14:02
VDVsx	X-Fade, http://n2.nabble.com/Quality-Assurance-and-Extras-testing-discussion-on-IRC-td3945607.html#a3945607 and http://n2.nabble.com/Follow-up-from-QA-meeting-on-IRC-td3990526.html#a3990526	14:02
SpeedEvil	thp: connect the + and - terminals to a laboratory power supply set at 4.20V, and a current limit of 0.8A. Leave for a couple of hours. Verify the voltage limit is in fact 4.2V and stable before connecting battery. Once current falls to under 0.08A, terminate charge.	14:02
VDVsx	X-Fade, but there more things to discuss	14:02
Jaffa	Myrtti: :)	14:02
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SpeedEvil	Myrtti: Red wine, soft candlelight, ...	14:02
zaheerm	ab, is juan on irc?	14:03
RST38h	ab: Got a question	14:03
ab	zaheerm, I don't even know him directly. :)	14:03
Jaffa	Someone should develop a GPS overlay on map app for two people to rendezvous with	14:03
lcuk	marshmallows	14:03
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X-Fade	VDVsx: Ok, I'll try to see if we can discuss this somewhere later in the week.	14:03
ab	zaheerm, his contact info is in the file	14:03
* SpeedEvil wonders if tangoGPS would do that		14:03
SpeedEvil	I know it had that feature at one point	14:03
Jaffa	So I could see how far away timeless was and if he was going in right direction	14:04
RST38h	ab: Looks like gst-plugins-base HEAD has got the subtitle renderer and the srt/sub file parsers	14:04
RST38h	ab: The renderer itself is just two files (c/h) by the way	14:04
zaheerm	ab, thx	14:04
ab	RST38h, see above	14:04
lardman\|home	Jaffa: I have a plugin for emerillon to do that	14:04
RST38h	ab: Maemo5 version of gst-plugins-base does not have these	14:04
lardman\|home	Jaffa: but we lack location data	14:04
xorAxAx	does the n900 support syncml over http out of the box=?	14:04
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zaheerm	ab, thx i got it	14:04
RST38h	ab: Is it possible to compile these files into a gst plugin and somehow configure maemo5 to use it?	14:04
Jaffa	SpeedEvil: Isn't it sort-of what Google Lattitude is about? But more ad-hoc	14:04
ab	RST38h, see above, I had some suggestion to Zaheer	14:05
SpeedEvil	Jaffa: I dunno - never investigated	14:05
thp	SpeedEvil: wouldn't the N810 charging circuit take care of not overcharging the battery?	14:05
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