IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-12-08

Dantonicjust keeps saying "connecting"00:00
ali1234i'm hoping it will be a bit faster after it is done playing the looooong intro to FF700:00
RevdKathyI can't do the aggregate bit tonight - too tired!00:00
RevdKathyan I don;t have a pic on my profile00:00
RevdKathyanyone who cares part one is here:
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Dantonichi RevdKathy !00:01
zgoldali1234: you really want that $20 =P00:01
RevdKathyHi Dantonic00:01
ali1234maybe if i get it working to the point where it is playable00:01
ali1234it isn't in this state, it's too slow00:01
ali1234i wouldn't pay $20 for this00:01
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zgoldlol, the terms were "a deb such that i can play ff7"  :)00:01
ali1234well you can do that00:02
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ali1234if you don't mind that everything takes 5x longer than it should00:02
ali1234still it's an improvement on 5fps00:02
zgoldali1234: the game already has like a 30-40 hour gametime... 5x would be bad :)00:02
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ali1234man i always forget how long these intros are00:03
ali1234btw, sound, kb input, everything else works fine without even configuring it00:03
ali1234it's just slow00:03
zgoldali1234: you have to start it from CLI i imagine?00:03
ali1234i could make a .desktop though, it's easy00:04
ali1234it isn't optified either00:04
zgold.desktop to start a specific game or to start a gui?00:04
ali1234to start the gui00:04
zgoldoh, so there is a gui00:04
ali1234i dont think it has command line options00:04
FIQnice chan00:04
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zgoldali1234: did you see today's video of the iphone playing n64?  It had a pretty nifty onscreen keyboard overlayed ontop of the game00:05
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ali1234no, i didn't00:05
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ali1234i don't really have time for watching that stuff :)00:05
ali1234i should be doing real work instead of sitting here watching the ff7 intro at 20% normal speed00:06
zgoldbut its such a good intro =P00:06
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clmntchwhoa, ff700:06
ali1234yeah but this is like the youtube poop remix00:07
zgoldali1234: so get some accel on those conversions =P00:07
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ali1234we need an arm dynarec00:07
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ali1234this is running in the interpreter, which is super slow00:08
ali1234intro is nearly done00:08
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RevdKathyOk... need sleeeeeeep. Night all!00:09
wazdjavispedro: <- not ready yet but you got the point :)00:09
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javispedrowazd: purrrfect! :)00:09
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ghostmanwho wants to fuck  me? ;)00:11
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AakashPatelis there a python interpreter in -extras?00:16
AakashPatelif i wanted to write my whole app in python00:16
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ali1234AakashPatel: yes00:16
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Stskeepsghostman: stop spamming00:17
ghostmanfick dich, du Arsch!00:17
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* Stskeeps sighs 00:18
Stskeepsmy ignore list seems to be growing more and more these days00:18
Flandryban him from your N900 :)00:18
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zgoldali1234: could you perhaps post a diff with your work when your done?00:18
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DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, Army Of Losesrs even00:18
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FIQthink i would by it after chrismas. :p00:18
ali1234zgold: sure00:19
FIQlol by00:19
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DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, the tools-repo issue (404) fixed magically :-P00:20
javispedrodon't worry, that'll be "fixed" eventually00:21
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: most be a broken issue somewhere00:21
javispedromaybe it'll start returning 401s again :)00:21
DocScrutinizer51javispedro, ;-P00:21
ghostmanStskeepsStskeepsStskeeps; Fick dich du Arsch!00:21
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RST38hDear gentlemen! Anyone knows how I can invoke "install" to recursive install a directory?00:23
homeasvs_anyone know if it is at all possible to create additional profiles, so I can have it so that only the phone can make a noise at night, but not email/sms/... ?00:23
javispedrono profiles yet from what I've seen00:24
javispedroRST38h: you could use cp/chown/chmod -R00:24
Macerok. seriously00:25
DocScrutinizer51javispedro, there are TWO(!)00:26
Macerif there is one thing i can give linux... you do not run into these idiot trojans00:26
Macermy god i'm about to have a friggin nutty00:26
javispedroDocScrutinizer: yeah, yeah.. but that's "profiles" only to avoid user confusion or something like that00:26
DocScrutinizer51anyway it,s a silly joke. homeasvs_ 's request quite valid00:27
homeasvs_so it might make sense to make a little app that sets the volumes of stuff00:28
homeasvs_that would at least keep me going for now00:28
DocScrutinizer51homeasvs_, I'd guess those two profiles aren't hardcoded00:28
javispedrobtw, how much does the thing take to charge from your average 500mA USB port?00:29
DocScrutinizer51so if you find where they reside, and copy abnd "rename" one, maybe you're better off00:29
rangeModest brings my imap server to segfault.00:30
infobotjavispedro meant: btw, how long does the thing take to charge from your average 500mA USB port?00:30
pwnguinyay, phone arrival00:31
DocScrutinizer51takes eternities to charge, no matter how00:32
javispedrowell it takes the usual 2 hours in the in-the-box wall charger00:32
javispedro*with the nokia-provided wall charger00:32
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DocScrutinizer51Feels to me like a whole lot longer00:34
Arkenoi3 hours from wall charger, more like 4-5 from usb00:34
DocScrutinizer51that's more like it00:34
GAN900Woo, 18000' higher than you suckers.00:35
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ghostmanlose ya00:35
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ghostmanach scheiss drauf!00:36
javispedroGAN900: "Hello from outer space, earthlings!"00:36
GAN900Ping is only about 200ms, too.00:36
ghostmanDie JJjugend hatt nichts mehrr drauf!00:37
DocScrutinizer51all your base are belong to us00:37
javispedrolol, my usb hub is starting to get really hot00:37
DocScrutinizer51please chanop!!!00:37
ghostmannnix geht mehhr00:37
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mikhaswow, nice GAN900 ...00:38
DocScrutinizer51javispedro, your HUB??00:38
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: yeah...00:38
ghostmanbrave Bürger: Ich hasse Euch!00:38
GAN900mikhas, Delta's still mostly fail, though. :D00:39
javispedrothat's why I am hoping for the n900 to end charging soon...00:39
GAN900javispedro, no adaptor?00:40
GAN900USB charging is damn near useless.00:40
ghostmanklleinee hubies?00:40
DocScrutinizer51ahhh,  *!*ghostman*@* added to ignore list.00:40
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javispedroGAN900:  I wanted to test that for myself :P00:40
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ghostmanforr what?00:41
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GAN900I really want to drop the banhammer from space00:41
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javispedrodrop it!00:41
javispedroFINISH HIM!!!00:41
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javispedrosee you, bastard!00:41
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FIQwith english00:41
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GAN900The nearly made that not happen.00:42
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DocScrutinizer51more like :-S00:43
GAN900Man, I'm pretty sure that makes me like super l33t or something.00:43
zgoldali1234: did the intro finish?00:44
derfGAN900: The general rule is, if you have to call yourself l33t, you're not.00:44
ali1234yeah i played it a bit, just doing a youtube video00:44
ali1234it totally sucks00:44
zgoldali1234: sweet!00:44
GAN900derf, thus, the irony. :D00:44
javispedrowazd: thanks! thanks! thanks!00:45
wazdjavispedro: np as always :)00:46
wazdjavispedro: have you got your n900 at last?00:46
javispedrowazd: yeah!00:46
wazdjavispedro: great, congratulations :)00:47
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SpeedEviljavispedro: Woo!00:47
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DocScrutinizer51any hint whichmagic incantation xchat should use to maake vbrator kick shortly (and maybe pllay notification sound same time - I'd not mind)?00:47
SpeedEvilI'd like a magic incantation to make it use espeak for privmsgs00:48
javispedrogood lord00:48
DocScrutinizer51jebba, ^ ?00:48
* RST38h moos with passion00:49
DocScrutinizer51man, typos more than correct chars00:49
javispedromow RST38h00:50
RST38hwazd: Oh, shit, this image is no longer violating Nintendo's copyright!00:50
RST38hWell, to a degree...00:50
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javispedrostill ... probably not worth pursuing ...00:50
wazdRST38h: that was the point :)00:51
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lardmanevening all00:55
javispedroevening lardman00:55
lardmanhi javispedro00:55
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GAN900Hey, lardman.00:56
lardmanhey GAN900, DocScrutinizer, Mysterious00:56
lardmanso how was Barcenlona?00:57
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lardmanhmm, spelling not hot as ever ;)00:57
GAN900Crazy. Amazing. Fantastic.00:57
mikhasin that order00:57
javispedrono problem, it's been spelled wrong 50% of the times today :)00:57
GAN900On the last leg of my trip now.00:57
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GAN900Thankfully I don't yet feel as though I got up at 2 this morning.00:58
* lardman imagines the headlines tomorrow - airliner brought down by interference from cell phone00:58
GAN900lardman, in flight WiFi00:58
MysteriousI don't want to bother00:58
Mysteriousbut aww I'll just do00:58
lardmanGAN900: who are you flying with?00:58
divinegodokay, this is rather weird. I am trying to install programs, the device reports that there is not enough space, but it also reports that there is 1.71 GB left for applications00:59
Mysterioushas anybody tried to run the aircrack-ng suite on our loved n900 device yet?00:59
GAN900and the headline would be "Airliner brought down by Nokia's new Maemo-based N900"00:59
Mysteriousor did someone started to port it?00:59
Pavlovoh come on00:59
GAN900divinegod, from where?00:59
Pavlovit won't take the plane down00:59
Pavlovthe battery will die well before he boards00:59
lardmanGAN900: well yeah, depends in the yellow boxes store the MACs of the offending items ;)00:59
DocScrutinizer51Mysterious, I heard airodump should work00:59
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GAN900Pavlov, at 34k right now. :P00:59
divinegodGAN900: from trying to install apps on my n90001:00
FIQdivinegod; from extras-devel?01:00
divinegodFIQ: no, I don't have extras-devel added now.01:00
crashanddieo/ GAN90001:00
divinegodonly extras and extras-testing01:01
MysteriousDocScrutinizer51, that's nice :D01:01
Mysteriousbut how about aircrack?01:01
GAN900Hey, crashanddie.01:01
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Hardaker900hi me01:01
hardaker2hey...  sup me?01:01
FIQevery app in the -testing area isn't optified yet i think01:01
lardmananyone here used Sage?01:01
Hardaker900not much01:01
DocScrutinizer51Mysterious, thats a cpu hug01:01
lardmanah crashanddie, what was that you said to my back as I left yesterday....? ;)01:02
MysteriousDocScrutinizer51, xD you are right01:02
FIQand will (try to) install on root that has much less space01:02
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crashanddielardman: wanker?01:02
crashanddielardman: cuz you don't reply to emails01:02
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lardmansounds familiar01:02
divinegodFIQ: oh, well.. that explains it.01:02
lardmancrashanddie: really?01:02
MysteriousDocScrutinizer51, is there a source where i can download ist?01:02
lardmanemails or pms?01:02
crashanddieyes, really01:02
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: Mysterious, thats a cpu hog01:02
lardmanhmm, not received any01:02
DocScrutinizer51Mysterious, dunno01:03
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lardmanoh you didn't send to gmail did you?01:03
Mysteriousinfobot, i thought of that ;)01:03
infobotYou thought of that ;)?01:03
crashanddielardman: 3 days ago01:03
lardmancrashanddie: ah, I see your emails now01:03
Mysteriousok actually i dunno what hog means xD01:03
lardmansorry, I don't check gmail often01:03
lardmanmany thanks, I will download and merge your patches :)01:04
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* javispedro notes the irony of
infoboti guess hog is you have to know 2 know like scratch sam loza and edd01:05
GAN900crashanddie, wish you could've made it to BCN01:05
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GAN900Really fantastic01:05
Mysteriousanyways, i would like to hug my cpu^^01:05
DocScrutinizer51~dict hog01:06
infobotDictionary 'hog' (3 of 10): a sheep up to the age of one year; one yet to be sheared  ;; take greedily; take more than one's share  ;; \Hog\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Hogged}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Hogging}.] 1. To cut short like bristles; as, to hog the mane of a horse. --Smart. [1913 Webster] 2. (Naut.) To scrub with a hog, or scrubbing broom. [1913 Webster].01:06
MysteriousI like to pick the sheep meaning xD01:07
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lardmanmeans pig in my land01:08
lardmanmy land being that which speaks English01:08
Mysteriousin my land there is no word like hog :P01:08
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lardmaninfobot: you're wrong about the meaning of hog01:08
kynkyhogging all the food like a pig01:09
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javispedrooh, the n900 says charged. that was 4 hours from my PC's usb01:09
arachnistit takes less than 2 hours on the normal charger01:10
lardmananyone know if the Maxima source tarball contains a lisp interpreter?01:10
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wiretappedi've been trying to give nokia some money in exchange for an N900 for a while now01:10
wiretappedthey really seem unable01:10
Mysteriousoh no01:10
SpeedEvilwiretapped: where are you?01:10
Mysteriousi hate lisp xD01:10
wiretappedsan francisco01:10
lardmanMysterious: I just want a decent cas01:11
lardmanCAS even01:11
wiretappedi've given up waiting on the ddp and decided to buy one retail01:11
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wiretappedso i tried at two cards declined. presumably due to trying to ship somewhere not my billing address01:11
wiretappedso i call them01:11
wiretappedand their fraud system has blocked me for three days for trying twice01:11
wiretappedthat was last week01:12
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wiretappedso now i'm on the phone again, i've pushed the button for sales, and been holding for >25 minutes01:12
greggypoohey this is a long shot...i have a couple apps i wrote using libX11, and they do not show up in the maemo taskbar01:12
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wiretappedin the meantime my company tried to buy one for me, and they said they couldn't take a corporate credit card01:12
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greggypooso if you minimize them, they disappear completely.  anyone experienced with the magic windowmanager hints needed for this thing?  i wrote this software back in the era of matchbox 0.1 :)01:12
GAN900wiretapped, gotta love NokiaUSA01:13
wazdVDVsx: around? :)01:13
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DocScrutinizer51greggypoo, taskbar??01:14
javispedroprobably diablo01:14
javispedrogreggypoo: OS2009?01:14
crashanddieso lardman ?01:14
javispedrogreggypoo: OS2008?01:14
MysteriousI like asking stupid questions: Is it possible to use debian arm repositories to install software on the n900? Or do i need to port them? And how hard might that be?01:14
greggypooum ... maemo 4.1.2 diablo :)01:15
lardmancrashanddie: thank you and I'll merge your patches01:15
lardmansee above01:15
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javispedrogreggypoo: so, the only way I know is to set a proper WMCLASS and create your own .desktop file01:15
lardmanand the email I just sent to you01:15
greggypooi'm not sure taskbar is the right name, i mean the icons in along the left of the screen showing the currently running apps01:15
greggypoohmmm, i've carefully avoided learning any class stuff so far, so that may be where i went wrong01:15
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greggypoojavispedro, do you know what program is responsible for managing that part of the screen?01:16
* lardman decides lisp looks like a pita01:16
javispedrogreggypoo: hildon-desktop01:16
DocScrutinizer51bet is IS01:16
crashanddielardman: ok, I'll use the other email address in the future. I've done a bit of work on some other source code, but wasn't sure if I should considering I wasn't getting a reply01:16
crashanddielardman: do you prefer diff format? (I don't have access to garage)01:17
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greggypoothanks javispedro, that'll give me something to dig into for a while.01:17
lardmanno that's fine, source is ok, I can do a side by side comparison01:17
lardmanthanks! :)01:17
Mysteriousanswer my questions or i'll cry!01:17
javispedrogreggypoo: good luck01:17
greggypooi'll need it :)01:17
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DocScrutinizer51Mysterious, went unnoticed01:18
Mysteriousyes obviously01:19
crashanddielardman: cool, I'll probably send some more stuff late tonight (maybe early tomorrow morning for you then)01:19
* Mysterious cries01:19
lardmansounds good01:19
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lardmancrashanddie: don't kill yourself though, am just doing small patches for the GTK+ stuff now, moving the ui to Qt01:19
DocScrutinizer51Mysterious, actually I dont remember any question01:20
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lardmanthough the decoder.c will probably remain the same so that's all good :)01:20
lardmanat least for the time being anyway01:20
MysteriousDocScrutinizer51, I'll copy&paste it01:20
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MysteriousDocScrutinizer51: (00:14:41) Mysterious: I like asking stupid questions: Is it possible to use debian arm repositories to install software on the n900? Or do i need to port them? And how hard might that be?01:20
FIQcould you install arm debian (@desktop) apps on maemo or does they need some form of port? and if they need port... it's a version of debian.. why wouldn't it?01:20
DocScrutinizer51that one... no idea here01:21
javispedroand the answer is DEPENDS.01:21
javispedrohappy now?01:21
Mysteriousyeah great01:21
lardmanMysterious: the answer is probably that no you can't now as they use a different abi01:22
DocScrutinizer51prolly try and see XD01:22
lardmansame to FIQ01:22
lardmanor has Debian updated itself on ARM?01:22
javispedrodebian uses armel now01:22
FIQthe program/app/image/whatever "easy debian" is used to install arm debian packages i guess?01:22
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javispedrois used to install debian itself, on a chroot.01:23
lardmaninteresting name for a library
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rangeTLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA - why is modest using that one?01:24
FIQnice name01:24
rangedissect_ssl3_hnd_srv_hello can't find cipher suite 0x88 - I'd like to peek into the ssl stream :)01:24
rangebug 6654 - nice one.01:24
povbot`Bug Nokia Mail does not update messages after a while01:24
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GAN900lardman, I wanted a pannable background of that one. *g*01:25
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DocScrutinizer51bah, maemo msgs popps up mail settings on receiving "poll_mintime ERROR: to frequent polls"01:27
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DocScrutinizer51which is really bad with providers like GMX or web.de01:27
crashanddielardman: I'm working on web.c01:28
lardmancrashanddie: may not be worth it tbh01:29
lardmanmost of that will be implemented as plugins in the end01:29
crashanddieat least it'll be readable for the one converting them to plugins :P01:29
lardmanwell there is that of course ;)01:29
MysteriousDo you hate me because i do not posess a n900/maemo-device?01:29
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crashanddieMysterious: yes, we all hate you01:30
derfcrashanddie: You're helping with mbarcode now?01:30
lardmanMysterious: me in particular?01:30
crashanddiederf: I am indeed, why the "now"?01:30
javispedroyeah, everybody here has a device save for m...01:30
lardmanderf: he foolishly volunteered to get rid of some of the many warnings01:30
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crashanddielardman: of which there is a fuckload01:30
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lardmanindeed :)01:31
crashanddielardman: you actually generate more warnings than lcuk !01:31
derfcrashanddie: Oh, if you were doing stuff before I missed it.01:31
crashanddieand he speaks northern to his compiler01:31
lardmanI was duly warned and ignored them01:31
derfI am not the most observant.01:31
crashanddiederf: no, wasn't on the project before01:31
derfJust happy to see more people involved.01:31
fnordianslippersdo the n900s shutdown in a low battery state or just run til they drop01:31
javispedrothey shutdown "gracefully"01:32
javispedrowhere gracefully is they give a final warning and then you have like 5 seconds to save and close01:32
fnordianslippersloads of time then01:32
javispedroit feels like ages when you are in the middle of something important01:32
javispedroi think they call that "bullet time"01:32
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javispedroI did manage to compose and send an email once01:33
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Mysterioustakes the battery damage during a full discharge ?01:33
lardmanderf, crashanddie: once the ui is moved to Qt and a plugin system fleshed out, I hope it will become more usable (and accessible)01:34
fnordianslippersdid it say "please send new batter"01:34
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derflardman: Well, by moving to Qt you pretty much ensure I will never touch the UI code.01:34
derfBut that wasn't likely to happen, anyway.01:34
lardmanyeah, the ui should hopefully just sit there doing nothing01:35
lardmanbut Qt will allow e.g. Python plugins01:35
lardmanand of course C01:35
zgoldali1234: youtube video up? :)01:35
ali1234no it's still going, 290 mb01:35
ali1234don't worry i'll let you know when it's done01:35
zgoldali1234: :)01:35
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redeemanderf: you don't like Qt?01:36
lardmanC++, yuck! ;)01:36
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redeemanit could be worse, it could be c with gtk :P01:37
redeemanor c++/gtkmm01:37
lardmanwell C is good, gtk+ not so good01:37
derfredeeman: I don't know Qt. I hate C++.01:37
lardmanstick to command line I say01:37
lardmanbut users don't like it01:37
PaulFertserMysterious: if you discharge a LiIon "too much" then yes, but a good device shouldn't allow you to do that. And if you obey some basic restrictions, there's only charge cycle count limit to worry about.01:37
redeemanderf: well you're not forced to use most of the c++ features01:37
derfredeeman: Bullshit.01:38
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MysteriousPaulFertser: ok thanks01:38
MysteriousGood bye, everybody!01:38
lardmanhmm, I swear I can smell fried onions01:38
lardmanmust just be extreme hunger making me smell things01:39
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VDVsxwazd, yes01:40
SpeedEvillardman: or onions01:40
lardmanSpeedEvil: might be01:40
* lardman wonders if the smell of real fried onions will wake his wife up....01:40
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VDVsxwazd, looks good, but I'm not sure about the ps3 logo, don't want issues with Sony :P01:41
wazdwell, it can be BM logo instead01:42
SpeedEvillardman: Sneak up behind her, and place a filtered 'nuisance odor' mask on her.01:42
GAN900VDVsz, bye, by the way. ;)01:43
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VDVsxGAN900, lol01:43
lardmanSpeedEvil: well she is asleep01:43
VDVsxGAN900, already at home ?01:43
GAN900VDVsx, thanks for putting up with me as your roommate, etc. *g*01:43
GAN900VDVsx, close, on the flight back to Tampa01:44
GAN900Landin about about 1.5 hours.01:44
VDVsxah those new cool wifi services  ;)01:45
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* Arkenoi tries to choose - try to set up MfE sync to google calendar or just wait for more proper way to be implemented?01:47
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GAN900VDVsx, I now more completely understand why people might now want to have meetups in the US. ;)01:48
GAN900The biometric shit was all very Minority Report01:48
lardmans/now/not ??01:49
VDVsxGAN900, eheh, for people from the European union is more or less easy, but for the other is a big headache01:49
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GAN900lardman, yes.01:50
GAN900VDVsx, I had a helluva time getting through security at BCN01:51
wazdVDVsx: well, anyway, I'll send you files soon01:51
GAN900They wanted EVERYTHING out of my carryon01:51
VDVsxwazd, thanks :)01:51
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VDVsxwazd, I showed the current stuff to some of the ux persons at BCN and they liked a lot, even asked your name :P01:52
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GAN900Nobody spoke English and the security lady made me leave my wallet, N900 and a fistfull of coins down at the end of the conveyor while she dragged me back through with the laptop.01:53
wazdVDVsx: oh01:53
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* orbarron ready to throw scratchbox out the window....01:54
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wazdVDVsx: since they haven't asked for my e-mail - whatever :D01:54
VDVsxGAN900, ahah, they did some test to your laptop ?01:54
VDVsxwazd, lol01:54
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orbarronany one have pointers to removing scratchbox?01:55
VDVsxorbarron, apt-get remove package_name01:55
* orbarron believe it was removed the wrong way:P01:55
Flandryyou're doomed then01:55
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Flandryi've got in infinite loop in my FS from that happening :P01:56
GAN900VDVsx, no, but I apparently, placed the bag with too much overlap overthe laptop so she dragged all of the wires in my backpack out to run through again.01:56
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GAN900wazd, hehe, I was spreadin your name around a bit, too. :P01:57
VDVsxwazd, but if you're willing to work in mobile devices design/ux your should pay attention to any job in that company, they are very talented and friendly people :)01:57
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VDVsxGAN900, it's a bit odd that no one speaks English in the security crew, at least basic English02:00
wazdVDVsx: I don't even know what company it is02:00
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javispedroGAN900: I'm used to having to leave my belt and .. my glasses. and the guy found nothing hilarious about the situation.02:00
wazdVDVsx: "Some UX persons inc."? :D02:00
VDVsxGAN900, I had to help one of the girls because she had some big boots and the lady asked her to remove them in Spanish of course02:01
GAN900VDVsx, well, the same is frequently true in the US. :D02:01
VDVsxwazd, aSIMULAter company :P02:01
kevloralVDVsx: well, I bet the security people there barely spoke... any language. It's not like they are the brightest people, you know.02:01
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VDVsxkevloral, lol02:01
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GAN900Lots of latins work for TSA.02:01
VDVsxkevloral, i bet they keep saying the same words all the time, not to dificult to 'fix' some at least :p02:02
infobotVDVsx meant: kevloral, i bet they keep saying the same words all the time, not too dificult to 'fix' some at least :p02:02
GAN900VDVsx, I ended up a T2 at first02:03
mikhaseheheh, T2 .... =)02:03
ali1234damn it the youtube upload failed02:03
GAN900Managed to get to the gate just as my zone started boarding.02:03
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jebbaman, long fkn process to get something built for extras-devel02:04
GAN900mikhas, looked at the board and thought "this can't be right"02:04
mikhasand the t1<->t2 shuttle takes a while, too ...02:05
mikhasonto the motorway, off the motorway, onto ..., off ...02:06
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wazdVDVsx: aaaaaaaaah :)02:06
wazdVDVsx: still don't know it :D02:07
javispedrothey're not used to it, the airport has been nearly doubled in size in the last year02:07
GAN900mikhas, I was "ohshitohshitoshit" for more of the shuttle ride02:07
VDVsxwazd, yes, you know :p02:07
infobotGAN900 meant: mikhas, I was "ohshitohshitoshit" for most of the shuttle ride02:07
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wazdVDVsx: aah, that fishing company? :)02:08
GAN900javispedro, T1 sure is purty, though.02:08
lardmanbed time02:08
VDVsxwazd, lol02:08
lardmannight all02:08
javispedrognite lardman02:08
wazdlardman: cya02:08
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VDVsxjavispedro, t1 is very big, but was almost empty02:09
GAN900javispedro, by the way, really glad you got a device.02:09
VDVsxshould be very different in the summer02:09
javispedroGAN900: thanks!02:09
GAN900Now we just need to get wazd buffed out.02:10
wazdGAN900: hah, nice joke :D02:10
GAN900VDVsx, I thought it was funny how all the UI people who were supposed to be available to help were all clustered up at the one table on Fri.02:11
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GAN900wazd, no joke, there was talk of donation funds bouncing around.02:11
GAN900(buffed, not rubbed, by the way. :P)02:11
VDVsxGAN900, yeah, but I can't complain at least :)02:12
lcukGAN900, on friday it was concepting stuff wasnt it, i ended up with 3 tiny things, did you see all the stuff from the video editor?02:12
GAN900VDVsx, things really picked up after the ice was broken but it gave me a good chuckle.02:13
lcukthere were page after page of layouts and ideas02:13
GAN900lcuk, hahah02:13
GAN900lcuk, that's too bad02:13
* GAN900 contributed a few pages for zaheerm.02:13
jebbais the build box running on an N900?02:13
* VDVsx too02:13
javispedroas I told twice, I was basically alone in my concepting group :)02:14
lcukeasy to do isnt it :D02:14
wazdGAN900: I heard some rumors bout Forum.Nokia selling n900 for developers but as you can see :D02:14
GAN900lcuk, I thought about going in the other room but thought to myself "Meh, calendar.". *g*02:14
GAN900javispedro, excuses, excuses.02:14
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javispedromany thanks though to the UI gentlemen who tried to teach me something :)02:14
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lcukheh javis, who was that02:15
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javispedroI already forgot the names... :P :(02:16
lcukmartin grimm had the fm radio concepted over the course of a couple of days i tihnk02:16
lcuk1:1 the pair of em seemed to be able to bounce the ideas off each other well, was one of hte great parts of the weekend to see02:17
VDVsxjavispedro, watch the youtube videos, some of them are there :p02:17
GAN900VDVsx, I'm embarassed to say I didn't realize that was yerga at dinner until I asked about the talk. <_<02:17
VDVsxjavispedro, took me some time to realize from where I knew some of the faces at the ux workshop, lol02:18
GAN900As we were wandering around I was thinking "Who is this guy?" "I should probably ask, but it's probably somebody I should know. . . ."02:19
wazdoh, fm radio was there too, nice02:19
wazdIt's like I've been there by myself :D02:20
* Arkenoi synced calendar with goolge (set up a new one, then it works). the contacts problem remains.. for email i used nokia messaging02:20
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javispedroVDVsx: you mean the ux ones? or are there maebar videos in yt?02:20
javispedroVDVsx: yeah, the ux ones :) saw them02:21
* DocScrutinizer51 is going to set up a live podcast so you can feel with me and my suffering :-(02:21
javispedrooh, I can get names this way02:21
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GAN900I'm glad I got some opportunities to chat with daniel. Really awesome dude.02:21
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VDVsxGAN900, blame avatars, we had the same problem at the airport waiting fro yerga02:22
GAN900Yeah, they really should be bigger.02:22
lcukbut we had his headshot available02:22
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VDVsxlcuk, true02:22
GAN900and yours looks absolutely nothing like you by the way. :P02:23
VDVsxwith a strange hat02:23
lcukGAN900, whos?02:23
lcukheh imagine my surprise when i met javis02:23
VDVsxi'm prettier I know :P02:23
* javispedro recognized lcuk though02:23
xorAxAxhrw|gone: you mean opensync 0.39? thats considered unstable02:23
DocScrutinizer51duh, N900 cam has a natural gift to take scary pasport portraits02:24
javispedroeven though I had my doubts firstly :)02:24
lcuki would really like to use avatars for contacts and meetups and chat02:24
VDVsxjavispedro, did you recognized me too ?02:24
GAN900lcuk, yeah, I totally wouldn't have placed him except for the weird looks he was giving me across the table Friday morning. :D02:24
javispedroVDVsx: nope02:24
* lcuk had to ask before i kicked ur ass02:24
javispedroVDVsx: even though don't change your avatar, it looks cool :)02:24
javispedros/even though/but02:24
GAN900javispedro, he just has to open his mouth. :D02:24
GAN900lcuk, we need to get a badge format for all events.02:25
lcukwe have n900s02:25
GAN900Based in the Summit 2009 one.02:25
lcuklanyards and barcodes02:25
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GAN900I kept getting "Yes, I know"'s when I introduced myself to people.02:26
VDVsxjavispedro, so you spot my name in the badge ?02:26
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GAN900So I think my avatar is pretty good. :D02:26
javispedroVDVsx: I don't remember, how we met? :P02:26
javispedroGAN900: agreed02:26
* DocScrutinizer51 feels like getting a spae back cover and W spare stylii eventually02:26
GAN900VDVsx, I hardly got any names from  the tiny ass bad text.02:26
VDVsxjavispedro, you talked to me at the breakfast02:27
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GAN900You should be able to read those things inconspicuously so you can look like a super badass knowing everybody. :D02:27
VDVsxlol, true02:27
GAN900Dave and conny I recognized right off at breakfast02:28
GAN900Same with Gary02:28
VDVsxthe summit ones were pretty good for that02:28
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DocScrutinizer51GAN900, nearfield RF02:28
javispedroVDVsx: iirc your face ringed a bell so I had a look at your badge02:28
lcukadhoc wifi02:29
GAN900David was also very identifiable02:29
GAN900as was Quim02:29
lcukknow whos in the room with a recent pic downloaded from local device02:29
GAN900danielwilms I wouldn't have placed had Mary not introduced him.02:29
GAN900RevdKathy was wearing a freaking bear sweater, so no issue there.02:30
VDVsxGAN900, yeah, the avatars pic is very different02:30
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GAN900RevdKathy was wearing a freaking bear sweater, so no issue there.02:30
GAN900Martin I didn't connect for a while.02:30
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Arkenoinokia customer support navigation on the web site is pure schizophrenic crap. trying to find where i do report problems with nokia messaging, it is non-obvious to say the least02:31
prometoyshi, what is the device name of the n900 in linux, if I connect it as a modem (pc suite mode)02:31
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GAN900Sebastian I knew as soon as he pulled out that freaking 770. :D02:31
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VDVsxGAN900, me neither, but I read his badge and introduced myself :P , never saw Martin's pic IIRC02:32
GAN900Yeah, nor I.02:32
GAN900anidel was really obvious.02:32
VDVsxnot for me at the summit02:33
javispedroi missed xournal's session though :( got pulled into the formation track because somehow I ended up helping someone fix his sbox problems :)02:33
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GAN900Victor and Vicky were awesome to have around.02:35
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DocScrutinizer51prometoys, nokia-n900-xx-yy?02:36
VDVsxGAN900, ehehe, I've a friend a BCN that studies in the same university, he did some promotion of the event for me, but victor and vicky already knew about the event02:36
DocScrutinizer51prometoys, dunno, never iused pc-suite02:37
prometoysDocScrutinizer51: oh, sorry. I mean on a linux host, not the hostname of the n900 :)02:37
prometoys i want to talk with the n900 as a modem with AT commands, but don't know where to connect (dev path).02:37
VDVsxGAN900, my friend got the "A flue", bahh02:37
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javispedrothey're going to close my uni now02:37
javispedrona, not yet :)02:38
GAN900VDVsx, between you, andy80, and Victor I practically didn't have to worry about anything.02:38
javispedrobut you don't know much they fear h1n1 here02:38
GAN900It was perfect. :D02:38
jebbaok, so irssi took 25 minutes to build on Nokia's build server. It took 1 minute 22 seconds on my laptop. This means it might take up to four hours to build my package (just the ARM version--another 4 hours for x86).  Plus queue time. Hmm.  And if there is one error?  Yay, get to start over.02:38
Arkenoiwhy does MfE set up "mail for exchange" email folder even if i *do not* sync email?02:38
GAN900I didn't see much evidence on this trip.02:38
VDVsxGAN900, we had some cleaning 'gel' at the hotel02:38
javispedrojebba: 's server, and then it spends most of the time installing build-deps02:39
VDVsxI didn't use it :P02:39
GAN900VDVsx, nor I.02:39
DocScrutinizer51jebba, nokia build servers are on 28602:39
GAN900Oh, by the way, the two-button toilets were what I think they were for, right?02:39
VDVsxDocScrutinizer, incorrect02:39
VDVsxDocScrutinizer, 77002:39
jebbainstalling builddeps for irssi? Most of the time just for that?  hmm...  builddeps should install in like seconds.... javispedro02:40
VDVsxGAN900, probably, it's normal here02:40
Seulementhm, anyone else using Tear and webchat.freenode?02:40
GAN900VDVsx, yeah, just one "mode" over here.02:40
VDVsxto save water02:40
GAN900and usually a lever, not a button02:40
javispedrojebba: get a 770 and tell me if apt-get install *anything* is faster than building three, four or even five "average sized" .c files02:40
ali1234zgold: it turns out the psx emulator for iphone is open source, and also compiles for pandora etc. so that should a) work better and b) be even easier to get running02:41
* GAN900 took long American showers. :D02:41
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GAN900Ok, landing.02:42
javispedrosee you02:42
VDVsxsee you02:42
javispedrohere, yet another ad about h1n1 prevention02:42
prometoyshi, did one of you try to use the n900 as a modem on a desktop/laptop?02:42
jaem_prometoys, works with the N810, so I'm sure it would work02:43
VDVsxahah they guy is funny ->
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jaem_prometoys, this might be of some use:
DocScrutinizer51prometoys, me not yet02:44
prometoysjaem_, it works here for me to (n900+ubuntu via network-manager), but I just want to find out the dev path, so I can connect for AT commands02:44
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prometoysanidel about n900 as modem:
DocScrutinizer51jaem_, I wonder what N810 could possibly do to bring internet to a laptop02:46
jebbajavispedro: wtf 770?02:46
javispedrojebba: rumour has garage is on a  770 =)02:46
jebbaya, but wtf is a 770?02:46
javispedrothe original internet tablet.02:47
SpeedEvil770 is old.02:47
hardakerwhat piece of broken code is deciding when to turn the keyboard light on and off?  And is it in the public repo so I can fix it???02:47
jebbaah heh02:47
SpeedEvilMy brother has one02:47
javispedroas jsmanrique said, don't mess with the 770!02:47
jaem_DocScrutinizer, I don't follow...02:47
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Seulementthe 770 is still a sexy steam-scifi loooking piece02:48
SpeedEvilhardaker: the LEDs are controlled by /sys/LED/*/*kb* or something02:48
wiretapped770 FOR LIFE02:48
DocScrutinizer51hardaker, tell me!02:48
SpeedEvilhardaker: but I diddn't find what softare runs02:48
* wiretapped crosses arms02:48
hardakerjust turned on/off like three times when I was entering a twitter message.02:48
javispedroVDVsx: a n900 with diablo! (that optima thing) lol02:48
hardakerwiretapped: you're just bitter because they didn't send your n900 yet.02:49
Seulementgot someone locally that is selling a like-new 770 for $ tempted02:49
hardakerwiretapped: btw, could you see the snow on the foothills from SF?  or was it only on my side?02:49
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wiretappedhardaker: i have not seen any snow recently, but i haven't looked at distant mountains either02:49
Seulementyou can see the snow on the hills in San Jose02:49
hardakerthere was snow this morning on the hills around fairfield/berryessa as seen from the sac area02:50
Xisdibikhardaker: there was snow on my deck this morning but it was gone by like 9:30am02:50
Xisdibikand im on the west side of the mountains in berkeley02:51
hardakerberkeley?  dang, that's low.02:51
Seulementdid you take a temperature reading with your nit?  ;)02:51
Xisdibikhardaker: not that low, my house is at the top of the hills,  ~600-900 feet02:52
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil, the tool is nice, but only helps to get clear tecxt .NMEA.from GPS02:53
VDVsxjavispedro, its a tablet!!! I think some tmo folks are happy now ;)02:54
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: and cellphone positioning02:54
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I'm unsure what the multiple modes are02:54
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil, dgoogle might help. dunno02:55
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SpeedEvilI haven't been doing much today other than failing my driving test.02:56
jaem_SpeedEvil, lol02:56
SpeedEvilBrake caliper froze on the way.02:56
javispedroVDVsx: it's a phone! or at least, the video shows a dialpad02:56
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil, :-/02:56
SpeedEvilHad to pull off the wheel, hammer lots on the caliper, which seems to have fixed temporarily, then got to the test centre exhausted. Diddn't improve from there.02:57
javispedro(with the usual fugly el-cheapo style)02:57
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil, double :-/02:57
VDVsxjavispedro, only voip I think02:58
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DocScrutinizer51what? voip works great!02:59
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DocScrutinizer51even over HSPA here02:59
DocScrutinizer51O2 loop, to whom it may concern03:01
DocScrutinizer5125 bucks / month03:01
Vrathawhat's 25 / mo.?03:02
Vrathasorry, i can't scroll up03:02
Vrathaand i'm nosy03:02
DocScrutinizer515GB HSPA "flat"03:02
jaem_DocScrutinizer, Rogers, in Canada here, pulled a Verizon, and told me that data overages were "0.3 cents" per Megabyte03:03
DocScrutinizer51I'm using this very momet03:03
jaem_...instead of 0.30 dollars03:03
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DocScrutinizer51old europe here XD03:04
Vrathai'm waiting for t-mo USA to release HSDPA here in the NY area03:04
jaem_the rep was very happily informing me that I could pay for a 512MB plan, and then use 1GB of data for "only $5 more in overages"03:04
Vrathathey have it in chicago03:04
Vrathabut i pay $50 / mo. for 500 anytime minutes, unlimited text and web03:04
jaem_not only was he off by two orders of magnitude on the overage fee, but he also can't multiply03:04
Vrathano contract03:04
GiantTalkingCowOld Europe? As opposed to the new one they opened earlier this year, I suppose?03:04
Vrathait's half as much as i paid on AT&T03:04
jaem_GiantTalkingCow, yeah, new europe's all the rage these days03:05
Vrathathough my t-mo connection doesn't work as well as AT&T03:05
GiantTalkingCowjaem_: Do tell.03:05
DocScrutinizer51old europes a of double-who bush03:05
* SpeedEvil is really happy with his pay-as-you-go deal.03:07
SpeedEvilt-mobile UK.03:07
SpeedEvil20 pounds ($35 US) for 6 months of internet at 1G/mo cap03:07
XisdibikVratha: you pay 59.99 for that03:08
SpeedEvilAnd no other charges if i don't make any calls.03:08
VrathaXisdibik: no, i pay $5003:08
VrathaXisdibik: they're undercharging me03:08
Vrathai just don't tell them that03:08
Xisdibikim gonna!03:08
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Xisdibikeven so though03:08
Xisdibik59.99 for that is still a great deal03:08
Vrathayeah, i thought so03:08
Xisdibikfor similar specs i was paying 101.xx at AT&T03:08
Vrathayeah, same here03:09
Vrathathough, with AT&T, i get 3g in more places, and AT&T's 3g is 3x as fast03:09
Vrathaat least in this area (about 30 mi. north of NYC)03:09
Xisdibikreally?  where i am i actualy tend to find Tmobiles 3g faster03:09
Xisdibikin SF03:09
Xisdibikand berkeley03:09
Vrathaah, i hear AT&T is really bad there03:09
Xisdibiktoo many damn Iphone users03:09
Xisdibiki swear every single person on the train ride home has one03:09
Xisdibikcept me03:10
Vrathahaha, yeah03:10
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil, incredible03:10
Vrathai have one03:10
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: surprised me.03:10
Vrathai like my iphone, but when i cancel the AT&T contract, it'll just be a nice ipod video03:10
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil, sure you own your own ass?03:11
Vrathaso, when i install a new widget on my maemo device, exactly how do i place those on my desktop?03:11
Vrathathey aren't showing up by default03:11
DocScrutinizer51Vratha, RTFM?03:12
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I read the contract carefully - it doesn't even say no VOIP03:12
VrathaDocScrutinizer51: i did.  it said not to ask you03:13
DocScrutinizer51almost scary03:13
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DocScrutinizer51Vratha, good03:13
kevloralVratha: Click anywhere on the Maemo desktop background. You should see a "engine" icon on the top right. Click on it. It will be shown a menu bar containing "Desktop menu" and "Done". Click on "Desktop menu". You should now see a menu with 4 buttons. Click on the "Add widget" button.03:14
Vrathakevloral: ah, i have kept trying that.  the "Desktop menu" isn't responding i guess03:14
Vrathai thought i was just doing the wrong thing03:14
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Vrathamaybe it has to do with the fact that i've added/removed various packages today.  maybe i'll have to reboot the device03:15
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Vrathaoh, psh.  as it shut down, i saw all the widgets that hadn't appeared03:16
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Vrathaooooh, there we go03:18
Vrathaa reboot fixed that menu03:18
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jebbaare there any alternative repos to extras-devel and such? Like ala rpmfusion, that isn't associated directly with maemo/nokia?03:25
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GAN900Er03:27 isn't associated with Nokia03:27
GAN900It's a community owned repo.03:27
DocScrutinizer51jebba, toolsÄ03:27
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GiantTalkingCowIsn't it? Funny, I wasn't aware of that.03:30
jebbaGAN900: it's a community repo?  Who owns the build boxes?03:31
jebbai just assumed it was all on nokia hardware03:31
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jebbaafaict it's a community project in the same way fedora is (e.g. server hardware/infrastructure by Red Hat/Nokia)03:42
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Sir_LancelotI'm gonna buy a N900 because of Maemo.org03:51
Sir_Lancelotit seems to be growing a lot every day now03:51
Sir_Lancelotit offers the support and new apps that no else we could get it....03:52
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jebbaoh ya, is fantastic, no doubt.  I just want it to be faster  :)03:55
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Gandalfimusit's not the snappiest true .. but it works very well. I think with a few updates it will be much snappier and quicker03:58
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jebbadamn build failed on builder04:00
jebbawell, there went 6 horus.04:00
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DocScrutinizermaemo has crossed the line between doom and self-nourishing momentum. For sure04:03
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Proteousslow dooooooommm04:03
DocScrutinizerjebba: horus is an ancient aegyptian god, no? XD04:03
Proteousthe kind of doom that is slow moving and easy to avoid04:03
jebbaheh ya, iirc04:03
jebbathe kind of doom that just needs a few faster servers...04:04
jebbagah. dammit04:04
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pwnguinprobably not good that the 2nd item on the games list is "bullshit bingo"04:04
DocScrutinizerOM is establishing it's existance on the other side of that line. regretably04:05
jebbaanyway, i should have anticipated the build fail. Asterisk does something pretty atypical by default in that it goes out to Digium's servers and downloads the sound files and the build failed on this. I imagine the build server doesn't allow this. I'm not certain how to work around it either. Hmm.04:05
jebbapwnguin: ya, i was surprised to see that. Good to see the anarchist faq too heh.04:05
pwnguinjebba: i liked the instructions for when you win bsbingo04:06
AakashPatelIs the Ovi store live yet on the n900?04:06
AakashPatelOh and whoever said that the skype integration lets you make video calls04:07
ali1234ok now where getting somewhere. psx4all is MUCH faster04:08
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PaulFertserHey guys, SpeedEvil, here's my detailed letter inquiring information about n900 hostmode capabilities:
ali1234unfortunately the graphics are all messed up, and sound doesn't work04:09
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ali1234PaulFertser: one thing you got to know, host mode has almost nothing to do with OTG04:10
ali1234that is, host mode can work just fine without the OTG pull ups/fifth pin - which are just there to provide role switching capabilities04:10
PaulFertserali1234: i know that, isn't it clear from my letter?04:10
ali1234not really04:11
PaulFertserali1234: please clarify04:11
ali1234you're asking if OTG works - OTG isn't a prerequisite for host mode04:11
ali1234except for point 004:11
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PaulFertserali1234: i'm asking mostly about the hostmode. OTG would be nice to have but not mandatory.04:12
PaulFertserali1234: probably my english is too clumsy or i shouldn't write letters at 5am but i thought it's all obvious from the letter.04:12
ali1234i dunno, that's just what i see04:12
PaulFertserLet's see what SpeedEvil says ;)04:13
pwnguinAakashPatel: skype is available? i just see a "go to and download" with no n900 offering =(04:13
ali1234if you're going to ask difficult questions like this, you have to ask them with incedible levels of accuracy, otherwise some politician will answer only the parts he feels like answering :)04:13
AakashPatelpwnguin: On the n900?04:13
AakashPatelIts integrated04:13
ali1234pwnguin: skype is available ootb04:13
pwnguinis it integrated with telepathy or something?04:14
PaulFertserali1234: i hoped to get an answer from an engineer, not a politician. I wouldn't even try to ask those liers about anything :|04:14
ali1234pwnguin: yes04:15
AakashPatelPaulFertser: ???04:15
AakashPateloh nvm04:15
AakashPatelWe need to get facebook chat workin on thsi thing >.<04:15
jebbaLOL :  "Haven't you said it the last week? And the week before the last? And the week before...  This is starting to look like a weird cargo cult."04:16
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ali1234PaulFertser: you might want to ask on the linux-omap lists, i know that TI engineers and nokia kernel devs are on that list. of course, it would be kind of off-topic, so you might get flamed04:16
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PaulFertserali1234: i have 6 questions listed, none of them can be misinterpreted in a way to allow someone to answer "we do not have id pin connected, so OTG is impossible, so you better shutup".04:16
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PaulFertserali1234: Stskeeps and Andre said they would probably take care of contacting the right guys once the questions are clearly set.04:17
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GAN900jebba, we do.04:25
GAN900jebba, finances the hardware and bandwidth04:25
GAN900er, Nokia04:25
GAN900But they don't "own" it.04:26
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Sir_LancelotHey Gandalfimus04:30
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jebbahmm. Any way to do this:  I send a text message to "150" with "saldo" and it gives me my balance. A shortcut on my desktop for that would be nice (e.g. with "saldo" in it too--not just the contact "name")04:37
jebbamaybe some dbus foo04:38
AakashPatelwe can run USSD codes?04:38
AakashPatellike #646*04:38
PaulFertserAakashPatel: you can do that manually with at commands04:38
AakashPatelDo you know the command?04:39
AakashPatelOr a link04:39
PaulFertserAakashPatel: AT+CUSD=1,"*102#",1504:41
povbot`Bug 5357: Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *#04:41
AakashPatelwhats the '15' part?04:41
jebbaand how do you even send that to the phone?04:42
jebbaooooh     dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/csd/call string:"$1" uint32:004:42
PaulFertserjebba: no, i'm afraid that won't work. CSD is not ussd04:43
PaulFertserjebba: nokia decided to use a proprietary telephony stack, i'm not even sure if api docs are available. So you're on your own until ofono is ready. For more details please read the ticket. ;)04:44
jebbaPaulFertser: what won't work=04:44
AakashPatelcommand not found :)04:44
PaulFertserAakashPatel: 15 is the "language parameter", most probably can be omitted.04:45
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jebbaPaulFertser: the above works for making calls. Not sure about the # part of it though as I dont have a number to call with that04:45
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AakashPatelOn AT&T it lets me check my mins and data usage04:46
DocScrutinizerPaulFertser: can you please translate the website #5357 refers to? I have no idea *how* to talk to modem directly04:46
Sir_Lancelotanyone here thinking about developing an equalizer for N900?04:47
AakashPatelI think it just uses a buncha "at" commands04:47
DocScrutinizerSir_Lancelot: should integrate into whatever player for mp3 you use04:47
DocScrutinizerSir_Lancelot: (though I'm not sure there might be ALSA controls for usual bass/teble adjustment in soundchip)04:48
PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: i've no idea as well except connecting it to a PC where it should provide cdc_acm interface i think.04:48
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jebbaAakashPatel: try running this:04:48
jebba dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/csd/call string:"#646*" uint32:004:48
DocScrutinizerAakashPatel: that's been to me? sure it uses AT. but *which* ttySx??04:49
AakashPatelwhat jebba said i guess lol04:49
AakashPatelthats a shit load to copy paste haha04:49
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AakashPatelby hand D:04:49
DocScrutinizerjebba: you're incredible - I toldya yet?04:50
PaulFertserAakashPatel: i think it won't work anyway. You can initiate a call this way but not a ussd request.04:50
AakashPatelah hmm04:50
jebbaAakashPatel: try it.04:51
AakashPatelI dont wanna type it thoug hahah04:51
jebbacut and paste it? want me to mail it to your fone or something heh04:52
AakashPatelsure lol04:52
jebba1 sec04:52
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jebbaAakashPatel: sent.  I even did it as an attached shell script  ;)04:55
AakashPatelhaha thanks04:55
AakashPateleh...still no emailz04:56
DocScrutinizerjebba: s/*/*/04:58
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DocScrutinizernot going to investigate further today. Still good to get your remarks, so I know what to do tomorrow04:59
jebbas/*/*/ is nothign.05:00
DocScrutinizer[2009-12-08 03:50:13] <DocScrutinizer> jebba: you're incredible - I toldya yet?05:00
AakashPatellawl wtf05:01
AakashPateli saved it in Documents05:01
AakashPatelbut its not in there05:01
* AakashPatel plugs in his phoen to his comp05:01
AakashPatelwhy does hte phone have  Mac OS folder?05:02
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AakashPateljebba: all that does is launch the phone app05:04
AakashPateland call that number05:04
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microlithnewegg order confirmation on my N90005:07
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AakashPatelsweet microlith05:08
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microlithI only hope it arrives within the next week05:08
AakashPatelLol i ordered from nokia on sunday, shipped monday, arrived tuesday05:10
microlithwhich I was hoping to happen05:10
microlithbut alas...05:10
AakashPatelon the rebate they have05:12
AakashPatelyou have toactivate the ovi store on the device05:12
AakashPatelbut ovi store doesnt exist yet for it :|05:12
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DocScrutinizer51freaking. charges for >1h now. bat was at 95%05:14
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DocScrutinizer51well, chartging LiIon is real fun05:15
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microlithfor now05:17
microlithtime to replace my aspire one's fan05:17
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jebbaweird. ofono builds fine in fedora 12 fine, but not in scratchbox. dang.05:20
fredrinwhat's up?05:20
fredrineverytihng good with the n900 these days05:20
Vrathasomeone yesterday was asking this, but is there a command-line maemo app for sending/receiving SMSes?05:20
fredrinwould smstools3  work?05:20
Vrathafredrin: well, front-facing video camera doesn't work with skype yet, and assisted GPS isn't working for me where i am05:21
fredrinexist for the freerunner05:21
Vrathafredrin: hmm, probably quite nicely.  i'll check it out05:21
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ShadowJKdoc: I suspect it's a bit random about when/where it says battery full :)05:21
fredrinVratha: did not know that there was a plan to make the front camera work with skype05:22
fredrinthat's sweet05:22
jebbahmm. think it's make 3.80 v 3.81 issue05:22
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fredrinhopefully both cams in the long run05:22
Vrathafredrin: well, i don't know if there is a plan for that.  but it'd be nice to use it for some sort of video conferencing05:22
fredrinor at parties05:22
fredrinwith girls05:23
Vrathaor for sex calls with your significant other :-D05:23
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: end of charging is detected by charge curerent falling below a certain threshold05:23
fredrini'll make a payperview05:23
fredrindocscrutinizer: not in bed yet?05:23
fredrinI'm just woke up...05:24
fredrinskipped a day....05:24
DocScrutinizerdepending in actual circuit (maybe moden is fed directly by battery) and setup of this threshold, end-of-charge detection might take quite a time05:24
DocScrutinizerfredrin: seems I never really sleep ;-)05:24
fredrinnot with the 900 in your hands05:24
Vrathai noticed my n900 really likes to suck down the battery05:24
DocScrutinizertake a light nap sometimes - or fall inconcious05:24
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DocScrutinizer(might take quite a time) or sometimes never is detected at all, slowly charging battery to nirvany05:26
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: (might take quite a time) or sometimes never is detected at all, slowly charging battery to nirvana05:26
jebbaneeded to build libmm-dev to build package for smstools.  But it all appears to build no problem.05:27
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DocScrutinizer(bat charge) see
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fredrinjebba: kool05:34
fredrinneh, play some quakelive05:35
Vrathafredrin: is smstools in the Extras-devel or something?05:35
fredrindont know05:35
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Vrathafredrin: i don't see it, and i'm using Extras and Extras-testing05:36
fredrini don't have a n900 yet :(05:36
fredrinworking on getting the money05:36
fredrinbut it should be imho :)05:36
fredrini guess it could be used for many cool things05:36
redeemanjust logged 11 bugs :)05:37
redeemani just hope nokia looks at them05:38
simula_dang, anybody know a shortcut to allowing me to run shell scripts in MyDocs?05:40
simula_i have already changed my fstab to remove noexec (and the script that was wiping my changes to fstab)05:41
Vrathai have to say, i love the Sheevaplug05:41
Vrathait just replaced my previous low power network server that had a fan in it05:41
simula_sheevaplug does look cool05:41
Vrathabut this is smaller and uses 1/4 the power of even that, and it has no fan!05:41
Vrathaand i have the cutest 4 gb usb flash drive hooked into the back of it.... some really small pny drive05:42
Vrathasimula_: yeah, it's very sleek05:42
jebbahmm, debconf is broken05:42
Vrathaonly annoying thing is they haven't dropped the price yet, and it's been out there for months05:42
Vrathaand i may want to buy another one, and they don't have wifi built in yet05:42
DocScrutinizerjust stopped counting on 15 non-ticketed bugs / flaws05:42
DocScrutinizerI know I'm a lazy idiot ;-/05:43
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VrathaDocScrutinizer: you talking about the openmoko?05:43
VrathaDocScrutinizer: oh, you have found that many bugs?  i've noticed quite a few as well05:44
Vrathathe software definitely seems incomplete05:44
jebbaWTF is this?=?05:44
jebbafakedebconf                                     0.0.2                                           Debian Configuration Management System (fake)05:44
DocScrutinizerno showstopper though, which I'm quite pleased about05:44
DocScrutinizeractually maemo5 is of amazing state of maturity05:45
DocScrutinizerkudos to the devels05:45
VrathaDocScrutinizer: yeah, no show stoppers05:45
Vrathayeah, but nokia needs to invest more heavily in that section if they want to phase out symbian05:46
DocScrutinizerthe never planned to do that05:46
Vrathathey need search in the email, working A-GPS (on t-mobile at least), and a few other things05:46
DocScrutinizer(phase out 60)05:46
redeemandocScrutinizer, Vratha: what kind of bugs did you find?05:46
Vrathawell, they want maemo to be the flagship MID OS05:46
Vrathathey also need to make it so firefox (i.e. maemo browser) doesn't crash so often05:47
redeemani really hope N900 will get maemo 6, and it will have all moved to Qt and the old stuff removed05:47
redeemani haven't had firefox crash on it(ofcourse i've disabled flash)05:47
Vratharedeeman: i think it will.  that would be kind of dick to leave us in the dust after spending all that money on it05:47
redeemanwell that depends on how long it takes05:47
DocScrutinizerI don't give a sh*t about Qt vs GTK05:47
Vrathashould be next year05:47
simula_yeah.... it would be nice, but i'm not expecting maemo605:48
DocScrutinizerhas to *work*05:48
redeemanimo the current maemo gtk wierdness is really too messy to deal with05:48
redeemanits fine for usage, but theres NO way im gonna touch it05:48
redeemanand i'd like to touch it and make it better05:48
simula_i'm a big Qt fellar and i'm in full agreement with DocScrutinizer05:48
DocScrutinizerthough for developing, probably Qt is way more fun05:48
redeemanthat's also why i bought the N900, i knew it was gonna be like this, but since im just gonna do my own Qt applications, that's okay05:49
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Vrathai would like to see android running in a jvm05:50
redeemantheres some things in maemo i must say i really like05:50
redeemanfor instance, the voip/phone integration, excellent05:50
Vrathaoh, yeah05:50
Vrathathat is nice05:50
redeemanand the way the multi-language dictionary works05:50
redeemanseriously superb compared to SE phones05:50
redeemani had to switch constantly on my SE T70005:50
redeemanand it was deep in a menu05:50
Vrathaa major thing that will help the n900 is them opening the ovi store05:51
redeemanalso, on the SE, you constantly manipulate the dictionary word, on the N900 you can choose its suggestion if you want, that's very nice05:51
DocScrutinizerI like ~. period05:51
Vrathathen people can start putting for-money apps up05:51
Vrathai'd take advantage of that05:51
redeemanwhy is it called ovi store?05:51
Vrathano clue05:51
redeemanisn't it nokia doing it?05:51
redeemanand ovi maps, that's quite weird05:52
DocScrutinizerovi == nokia05:52
redeemanyes but why ovi then?05:52
smackpotatoovi is finnish for bargin05:52
DocScrutinizerbetter sound? dunno05:52
jebbauh, ok, so i have smstools3 built, installed, and the daemon is up and running, but i have no idea how to use it.  WHo was it that requested this? haha05:52
redeemanyes well that's IMO retarded to call stuff05:52
smackpotatowell it might be05:52
jebbaVratha: fredrin: you know how to use it?05:52
redeemanwhen i first saw the ovi name, i thought "wtf, some third party app store? distrust!"05:53
DocScrutinizerjebba: lol05:53
Vrathajebba: i requested it.  did you just use apt-get for that?  are you using extras-devel?05:53
DocScrutinizerwtf smstools3??05:54
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jebbaVratha: i built the package. I could put it in extras-devel, but it would take a month.  It's not /optified either, and would have to be optified manually.05:54
VrathaDocScrutinizer: command-line SMS sender/receiver05:54
jebba(really pretty ugly how it does thigns=05:54
DocScrutinizerhmmm, c..c..coo..ol05:54
jebbaVratha: i just see a daemon though, not a command line program05:54
Vrathajebba: hmm, i guess i could build myself then05:54
Vrathajebba: ah, that sucks05:54
jebbayou know how it works?05:55
Vrathathought it came with some sort of apps to make it easy to pop off a quick SMS from the CLI05:55
jebbahave you used it on another system?05:55
Vrathanever had a reason until now, because i have unlimited texting with my account05:55
Vrathaso, if nokia doesn't release maemo 6 for the n900, won't we just be able to build it ourselves and install it?05:56
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* DocScrutinizer suspects some dbus call existing, to do "dbsu-send foo/gsm/sms foo/gsm/smstext="hi there" foo/gsm/smsnumber_to="123456" "05:57
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redeemanVratha: it would seem many components are closed05:59
DocScrutinizerVratha: (maemo6) that's a rather fictional question. Answer: who knows, maybe05:59
Vratharedeeman: ah05:59
DocScrutinizerfirst of all: what *is* maemo605:59
redeemanperhaps they will do it differently with maemo6, have more open05:59
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VrathaDocScrutinizer: well, i think redeeman's answer pretty much answers the question05:59
redeemanif they do, it will certainly benefit them06:00
redeemani would probably do lots of development on it then06:00
jebbaVratha: ah ya, has sample script:06:00
jebbasudo sh  /usr/share/doc/smstools/examples/scripts/sendsms 5555555 'foo'06:00
Vrathajebba: you in the states?  i can give you my number if you want to test it06:00
DocScrutinizerjebba: BEWARE!! ;-P06:01
redeemanfor instance, most of the bugs i logged tonight (just did 2 more) i could have almost certainly fixed pretty quickly, and attached a patch06:01
DocScrutinizer*sigh* *yawn*06:02
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jebbaVratha: well, it running and such, but can't talk to /dev/ttyS0   1, 2, or 3. Which isn't exactly surprising:06:09
jebbaGSM1: Could not send character A, cause: Input/output error06:09
jebbasomething else, even if we knew which was the modem, would have some lock on there or be interfering for sure.06:10
jebbabut ya, a dbus-send way of doign it is far more "correct" than smstools ;)06:10
DocScrutinizer51jebba, yoh06:10
jebbacuz there already exists a way to send SMS on the thing.06:10
jebbaI think i even remember using a version of this program like *forever* ago (1990s), which would call us and send messages when servers crashed and such06:11
jebba...or something similar enough...06:11
derfNice. extras-devel is completely empty.06:13
kevloralcya all06:14
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DocScrutinizer51jebba, yaps (or similar)? yet another pager server06:14
DocScrutinizer51derf, maemo tools was even 404 this eve06:15
jebbawould be cool to have like a pastebin type site, but for .debs  ;)06:17
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DocScrutinizer51jebba, rapidshare?06:18
jebbawell, that's not a repo06:19
DocScrutinizer51or torrent06:19
ali1234zgold: i have psx4all running now, it's a lot faster, feels like about 50% real speed. but it crashes at the first battle06:19
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jebbain fact, i can't even get to right now (?). If thats the site you're talking about. I've never used it i dont think.06:19
smaugtimeless_mbp: "world clock" has a strange bug. It doesn't allow me to add a new entry for Helsinki, because it seems to think that the "local time" means Helsinki. But yet the local time is automatically adjusted to place where I am (CA)06:20
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DocScrutinizer51jebba, neither me06:20
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jebbasmaug: i have my locality set to Buenos Aires and the world clock allowed me to add buenos aires  (though they show different times, due to retarded govt!)06:20
zgoldali1234: :-(06:21
smaugjebba: hmm06:21
zgoldali1234: still only half real speed?06:21
smaugI wonder what the bug is then.06:21
smaugI had to use Tallinn to get the time for Helsinki06:21
DocScrutinizer51I have a static IP and URL, and places like
ali1234zgold: hard to say. the music still seems to play at 10% real speed but everything is quite fast06:21
zgoldali1234: so its not playable i take it :/06:22
ali1234it would be if it didn't crash06:22
jebbaDocScrutinizer51: set up fremantle subdir, open up for uploading .debs, and run some deb cronjob that regenerates the headers  :)06:22
zgoldali1234: any hunches on the cause of the crash?06:22
ali1234it's crashing somewhere in the dynarec in some crazy asm code so i have no clue how to fix it06:22
DocScrutinizer51duh. not now :-P06:22
zgoldali1234: is that something that can be tweaked, e.g. to use dynarec in different amounts?06:23
zgoldali1234: maybe its a bad bios?06:23
DocScrutinizer51jebba, you know. I'm actually not even here anymore ;)06:23
jebbathen put a simple web interface and sanity check the files to make sure they are ARM or "all" .debs  :)06:24
jebbavoila done, then go to bed  :)06:24
ali1234zgold: it could be bios related, i'm using HLE06:24
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ali1234zgold: dynarec is all or nothing06:24
DocScrutinizer51jebba, I *am* in bed XD06:25
zgoldali1234: and i imagine without it its too slow06:25
jebbathen you can skip that step06:25
ali1234zgold: yes it would be as slow as the other one06:25
zgoldali1234: so dynarec is a good boost, what about using gl for the RGB->YUV conversions?06:26
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DocScrutinizer51probably get spanking in a moment - and that's not my favourite practics :-P06:26
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ali1234zgold: that probably wouldn't make much different06:26
ArkenoiMortar does not work with 2-arrow keyboard as well :-(06:27
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zgoldali1234: do you see any tech being used to make it play 100%?  I mean its smooth on the iphone which has the same cpu, ya?06:27
ali1234i don't think it is even using YUV, i think that was a bad printf in the other code06:27
* pwnguin has a question about wifi post-connect scripting.06:27
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pwnguinis it possible?06:27
ali1234zgold: i don't see any ff7 iphone vids... different games run different speeds...06:28
DocScrutinizer51sure XD06:28
zgoldali1234: Hmmm06:28
ali1234here is one:
ali1234fps:31 - that's the same speed i get06:28
Venomrushff7 on n900?06:28
ali1234Venomrush: yes06:29
zgoldali1234: the iphone one doesnt seem to crash though =P06:29
ali1234yeah this is true06:29
zgoldali1234: wait06:29
ali1234so it is fixable somehow06:29
zgoldthats a normal iphone 3g06:29
zgoldnot a 3gs06:29
zgoldthe comments say it runs full speed on the 3gs06:29
ali1234i can't explain that06:30
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Venomrushali1234, are you porting it/06:30
ali1234looks like it, yeah06:30
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ali1234here's an interesting thing:
ali1234notice psx4all is only using 55% CPU06:33
ali1234xorg and hildon are eating the rest up06:33
ali1234quite possibly06:33
zgoldpulse @ 10% is also unreasonably high06:34
zgoldbut i sdee that too when playing normal audio06:34
ali1234you think? it regularly goes about 20% on my P4 desktop machine06:34
zgoldthats retarded06:35
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zgoldalsa uses 0% cpu for me06:35
ali1234it's using 4% now and i'm not even playing any sound06:35
zgoldwe need to fix X06:35
zgoldwhat if you kill hildon-desktop?06:35
DocScrutinizer51PA is and ever was an insane cpu hog06:35
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ali1234yep, that made it about 20% faster06:37
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zgoldali1234: comparable to the iphone 3gs video?06:38
ali1234sound is messed up still though06:39
zgoldali1234: I'd still ask some of the Maemo Xorg guys about X using 20% there06:39
zgoldali1234: i knoiw some of their emails if you want06:40
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DocScrutinizer51dong things like sqrt(a^2 +a^2 + b^2 + c^2 +d^2) on 4 muted streams, om 96k samples/s  (exaggerated)06:40
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DocScrutinizer51on FR we had to kick PA as it was too heavy06:42
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Sir_Lancelotsee you tomorrow guys06:43
loft306well my device is stuck in portrait mode06:43
loft306havent rebooted yet or shutdown06:43
fredrin_shake it?06:44
loft306lol first thing06:45
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ali1234hmm another interesting thing: the frameskip/limiter is broken06:46
zgoldali1234: now your TOO fast?06:47
loft306all i did wa-s ansawer a voice mail while in bed then it wouldnt leave peortrait mode06:47
ali1234but i set it to skip 4/5 frames and it isn't06:47
DocScrutinizer51thought there simply *is* no prortrait mode for most apps06:48
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loft306ok got it out of portrait mode by locking it and unlocking it with the power botton and slide finger en scroeen  not with the side slider that just put it back in portrait mode06:49
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loft306did it again...  rotated it to portrait to enable the phone and then closed the phone in portrait mode and it stays in portrait mode06:52
loft306but the slider thing gets it out06:52
loft306as above06:52
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DocScrutinizer51sorry, don,t get it. what,s in porrait mode when you close the ühone aka dialer app?06:53
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ali1234with sound disabled, pulseaudio killed, hilden-desktop stopped - i get 50 fps06:54
DocScrutinizer51when I close dialer, there's dashboard which I never seen in portrait06:55
loft306its in the phone if i close it there it stays in portrait and also the accelerometer seems to not kick it outta phone to landscape while in phone all of a sudden06:55
DocScrutinizer51aaah, killing PA is a way to reach ultimate happiness06:55
zgoldali1234: and 60fps is 100%?06:56
ali123450 fps is 100% if you play the PAL version06:56
zgoldI bet we can get that Xorg cpu down suh that we can keep hildon & PA alive =P06:56
DocScrutinizer51loft306, sorry I can,t reproduce. Not even imagine06:56
ali1234the thing is, it doesn't look all that much faster06:57
loft306hehehe... dant want to its a pita06:57
ali1234i have a feeling the fps timer is broken, along with frameskip and the rest06:57
loft306though bounce works just fine06:58
ali1234hmm actually that was quite a bit faster06:58
ali1234they must have used adaptive framerate for the in game parts - that would explain it06:59
loft306shute just rotate pione to portrail and it stays there no rotate back in landscape06:59
loft306 gonna reboot06:59
zgoldali1234: that a good thing or a bad thing?06:59
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DocScrutinizer51ali1234, every decent game engine does (base on timers rather than graca framerate)07:00
ali1234actually, the decent ones don't, usually07:01
ali1234it's especially pointless on consoles07:01
ali1234anyway, compositing is killing us here, for sure07:01
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ali1234can't get above 30 fps with the window manager running07:02
zgoldali1234: I'm sure where not the only ones to have this issue.  Does bounce get around it?07:02
ali1234bounce has crappy framerate :(07:02
zgoldthis is true07:02
ali1234but, if i fix frameskip this should not be an issue07:02
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ali1234cos then you;re not compositing anything07:03
loft306ok a reboot fixed it07:03
ali1234unless you are - i don't really know how that stuff works07:03
DocScrutinizer51ali1234, aha. so the decent games just do a t+=25ms; render frame; wait for next vsync? or what?07:05
DocScrutinizer51actually that's what a videoplayer does when you don't enable frame skipping07:08
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ali1234DocScrutinizer: well, maybe not on recent games, but PS1 type stuff...07:08
ali1234this game is 12 years old after all07:08
zgoldali1234: and its still the best game ever made =PO07:09
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DocScrutinizer51yeah, even 12 years ago the used "adaptive framerate" as you noticed07:12
DocScrutinizer51i.e. read out real world time and diced based on that what the next frame to render should look like07:14
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: i.e. read out real world time and decide based on that what the next frame to render should look like07:15
ali1234adaptive framerate really only works if you run the engine off something like 20fps and then use prediction for the inbetween frames07:15
ali1234otherwise the game tends to explode when you drop a frame :)07:16
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ali1234i think quake 1 used 12 fps internally?07:17
DocScrutinizer51don't want my games to explode07:17
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loft306 lol07:17
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cornucopicHey all: What Linux distros are now officially supported by Maemo? Just Debian and Ubuntu ?07:18
cornucopicfor development, i.e.07:19
DocScrutinizer51ubuntu only?07:19
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sivangDocScrutinizer51: debian as well07:22
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sivangDocScrutinizer51: practically, you have have it on whatever distro you want - but the installer script uses apt so you need to use an apt enabled distro07:22
* DocScrutinizer51 kicks 5 of 6 linux mobile devices out of the bed, waves and snoozed07:23
cornucopicsivang, mhm07:23
cornucopicsivang, so tecnically, if I modify the script for say, 'yum' it should work ?07:23
sivangcornucopic: right, that was addressed to you :)07:23
cornucopicsivang, mhm. Thanks :)07:23
sivangcornucopic: and if the package layout is the same - e.g. pulls all the needed deps and isntalls them acording to FHS07:24
sivangcornucopic: as is spec'd in debian07:24
loft306lol DocScrutinizer5107:24
cornucopicsivang, so its just the package installation part that is distro dependent ?07:24
sivangcornucopic: you see, some stuff are in different locations then in redhat's07:24
infobotsivang meant: cornucopic: you see, some stuff are in different locations than in redhat's07:24
cornucopicsivang, yeah..but RedHat does confirm to the LSB, right ?07:24
sivangcornucopic: it's been years since I touched it so :)07:25
cornucopicsivang, i am out of it too ..07:25
sivangcornucopic: why do you want to use redhat ?07:25
cornucopicsivang, but i need to write this article on Maemo, so just finding out..07:25
cornucopicsivang, i am no Redhat fanboy :)07:25
sivangcornucopic: maemo is a libapt based distro, so you'd normally be best using an libapt based distro07:26
cornucopicsivang, your pointers are greatly appreciated :)07:26
DocScrutinizer51bah, a winmoob phone. go away as well, crap07:26
sivangcornucopic: test it and report back :) maybe it will just work with modifyingf the installer to invoke yum :)07:26
sivangcornucopic: you are most welcome07:27
cornucopicsivang, should be a fun exercise..infact i was reading a 'tweet' that this guy had got it working on Fedora..07:27
cornucopicsivang, didn't hear back from him though..07:27
ruskiehmm trying to roll my own posix-locales and failing miserably... stuff just keeps failing07:28
sivangcornucopic: Personally, I would prefer to use a native apt distro for that - so I could test non maemoized debs and see if I like them and then maemoize them07:30
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sivangcornucopic: or borrow stuff from them to build my maemo packages. Feels more natural to me07:30
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jebba900cornucopic, i use SDK on f12 64bit07:30
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sivanghey jebba900 :)07:31
cornucopicjebba900, mhm. have you put up the changes you needed to do somewhere ?07:32
* sivang is curious07:32
cornucopicjebba900, great! can I take a look ?07:32
cornucopic\me too07:32
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jebba1 sec07:33
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jebbacornucopic: sivang
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jebbasivang: it uses apt in the chroot so you dont need it installed in fedora fyi07:36
cornucopicjebba, thanks. taking a look.07:36
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StargazersHi. Anyone other had this kind of bug:
StargazersI mean those font problems07:41
StargazersUhm have to go at work. If anyone can know what I can do exxcept boot to fix that font bug, please hilight so I can see it from awaylog.07:43
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Proteouslinux smartphones at NBLUG tomorrow:
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* RST38h moos08:04
RST38h"Linux netbooks have captured 32% of the global netbook market, says Jeff Orr, an analyst with consumer computer research firm ABI Research." <=== probably bullshit though08:05
Proteoustime for a milking08:05
ShadowJKthese are the same people that said itanium would rule the world?08:07
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RST38hBut ABI sounds suspiciously like Absolute Bullshit Inside08:08
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arachnistN900 could be sold as a netbook ;)08:11
arachnistit has the same screen resolution that the first eeepc had08:11
arachnistit has a keyboard08:11
arachnistand has more storage :>08:11
hrw|gonexorAxAx: opensync 0.39 is named 'unstable' but it is supported. 0.22 is stable but none of developers remember how it works. read for more08:12
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StargazersMade in a forum topic too.08:18
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loft306so true arachnist08:31
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wazdmornin' maemo08:33
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Xisdibikevening wazd08:34
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RST38hStargazers: font corrupted. reboot. if it is still broken, reflash.08:38
RST38hehlo, tekojo, wazd08:38
wazdRST38h: heya08:38
loft306anyone else having issues with the built in gps?08:39
wazdooh, I'm out of painkillers, I'm doomed :(08:39
arachnistwazd: get vodka08:40
keesj_my N900 charger stopped working and it looks like the contact points are to blame08:42
StargazersRST38h: Well, can't I do that without reboot?08:43
keesj_on the n900 side. i can still charge when i connect the device to the pc but only if ireally dont touch the cable :(08:43
hrwkeesj_: in charger or in n900?08:43
StargazersRST38h: I mean, restart some services or something like that.08:43
hrwkeesj_: so microusb in n900 is broken?08:44
tekojoMorning RST38h!08:44
Xisdibikloft306: whats the issue?08:44
keesj_not fully but it is heading that way indeed08:44
hrwok, have to go now08:45
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tekojokeesj_ charger or N900 micro usb contacts?08:45
hrw|gonesee you in 3h08:45
loft306just havennt been able to get a lock  for position08:45
loft306with thu internal gps08:45
tekojokeesj_ need to see what can be done08:46
loft306though that im now  have a sim it i think is using network08:46
RST38hStargazers: no.08:46
loft306also and getting a lock quicker08:46
StargazersWell, I am too lazy don't want to, so it can look like that.08:46
StargazersRST38h: Any idea what can cause that?08:46
loft306i dunno just seamed like it was gonna take all day ot get a fix08:48
keesj_tekojo: i will try to figure out what is really going on08:48
loft306so gave up when i have more time to play ill look again08:48
loft306unless im missing something in ovi maps08:49
Xisdibikloft306: i couldnt get a lock etiher way, but today it finally did08:50
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Xisdibikso could just be bad luck08:50
loft306will try a bt gps later08:51
StargazersWhat is the X-server of N900 or is it X server anyway?08:51
loft306but with bt not playing nice that should be fun08:51
tekojoloft306 you do have an internet connection on?08:51
StargazersOh, it is Xorg08:51
loft306tmobile or wifi08:51
StargazersHave to try to restart it08:52
wazdanybody can provide conversations shot please?08:52
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wazdI just need sizes, you can blur your precious messages if you want :D08:52
loft306i got a red slash through the gps symbol on the evi maps08:53
tekojoloft306 sounds strange, with net assisted gps the location should come in seconds08:53
loft306i cheock settings and it is on08:53
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wazdok, nm08:53
RST38hStargazers: bad things.08:54
loft306so i got a good mic but a screwie gsp...08:54
StargazersWhy so?=08:54
loft306ho hum08:54
StargazersWhat it can break?08:54
tekojoloft306 how about other gps software like eCoach or OSM2Go ?08:54
loft306nothing yet08:54
loft306will try other app see if  just the ap08:55
wazdoh crap, I've lost my nokia fonts08:55
loft306not a big loss08:55
wazdbig for me :)08:55
tekojoAlso check that Settings -> Location has Network positioning enabled08:55
Xisdibikloft306: where are you right now?08:56
tekojowazd lost Nokia fonts?08:56
wazdtekojo: well, yeah :)08:56
wazdtekojo: reinstalled the system, forgot to back them up08:56
loft306near a window08:56
loft306crap what was i doing08:57
tekojowazd aren't they public?08:57
DocScrutinizer51loft306, try disabling the net assistence then start a gps app. stop. reenable net assist and start again. this helped for my GPS08:57
wazdtekojo: I got them with Tablet Video Converter, but it's archived now :(08:58
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loft306turned off powersave and lock on dim and putting it in the window09:00
DocScrutinizer51loft306, check GPSjinni. it's in testing or devel repository. quite helpful tool09:00
wazdok, found it, nm :)09:00
loft306thnx DocScrutinizer5109:01
tekojowazd they seem to be around09:01
Xisdibikloft306: some windows block alot of GPS signals (someone said it to me the other day here) :)09:01
* Stskeeps yawns09:03
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loft306heh thease arent coated with anything09:03
crashanddieeveryone, please vote "No" here:
wazdStskeeps: o/09:03
Flandry2 am here09:04
tekojoStakeeps morning!09:04
infobottekojo meant: Stskeeps morning!09:04
Stargazerscrashanddie: Voted no, imho is better at least in this point that talkings are in english, even that I speak it not very well, but still my worse english is more understandable by others than very good finnish or some other language.09:04
* tekojo go get coffee09:04
Flandrylol what you got against Germans09:04
DocScrutinizer51he Stskeeps moinmoin09:05
crashanddieFlandry: I'm jewish09:05
Flandryuh huh09:05
crashanddieand I still haven't forgiven them09:05
crashanddieFlandry: just kidding :P09:05
Stargazerscrashanddie: :---D09:06
loft306haha rofl crashanddie09:06
loft306but you got a merceddes?09:06
StargazersCan I change font in menu?09:06
StargazersI mean, menu font.09:06
LinuxCodeonce you start making multi-lingual forums actual useful information for everyone gets diluted09:07
crashanddieStargazers: yeah, pretty much my opinion as well. The thing is that very valuable information can be exchanged if everyone uses, however segregating means that information is filtered through everyone's mother tongue09:07
loft306i think info will get lost in german09:07
crashanddieand most people don't give a flying fuck about reading the english fora if they have their own little corner09:08
XisdibikDoes anyone know a good relatively inexensive Wireless Controller that works with the N900 (not the wiimote, note enough buttons clearly)09:08
crashanddiealso, during summits, the only people not mixing are germans09:08
LinuxCodehumans suck, they always choose the easiest path09:08
crashanddieno offense09:08
LinuxCodecrashanddie, happens in any language09:08
StargazersSurely there is some good points about different languages, because some of us just can't talk english at all.09:09
crashanddiegermans are worse :P09:09
StargazersBut in those cases, well.09:09
* LinuxCode finds it rude during conferences, when people start talking in their own language, when somebody stands next to them who does not09:09
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StargazersLinuxCode: Ei kait siinä09:09
LinuxCodeand I speak more than one language09:09
LinuxCodeStargazers, DIE09:09
XisdibikYour so rude Stargazers !!! j/k09:09
StargazersLinuxCode: I speak too. I can talk to you C if you want!09:09
Stargazersprintf( "Yeah, baby\n" );09:09
crashanddieja ja, nu kunnen we ook allemaal in onze moedertaal gaan klappen, maar veel gaat dat niet helpen ;)09:09
StargazersXisdibik: Yeah I am.09:09
LinuxCodecrashanddie, haha ;-D09:10
Stargazerscrashanddie: Ich habe keine panzer! wARUM!09:10
Xisdibikwe should just make a universal language everyone has to learn09:10
Xisdibikand please dont make it english :)09:10
StargazersXisdibik: Well, we should use C then.09:10
LinuxCodeXisdibik, it is English09:10
StargazersLove is the universal language, lol.09:10
StargazersLet's use it.09:10
XisdibikLinuxCode: yeah, but I dont like english :P (even though its the only language i know)09:10
crashanddieStargazers: that wasn't german ;)09:11
LinuxCodeXisdibik, get a klingon dictionary then09:11
* Xisdibik slides up close to Stargazers.. HEY BAB... WAIT YOUR A GUY!09:11
LinuxCodesee how that works out...09:11
StargazersXisdibik: Yikes09:11
XisdibikLinuxCode: im doing fine with japanese thanks ;)09:11
StargazersXisdibik: But I have a long hairs so you wouldn't be the first who have thought that I am female :D09:11
LinuxCodecrashanddie, he came mighty close those09:11
crashanddieXisdibik: as long as you don't start arguing that we should learn chinese, I'm fine with picking another language than English09:11
XisdibikStargazers: are you into metal? :p09:11
Stargazerscrashanddie: Wasn't it?09:11
LinuxCodeit should have been keinen!09:11
StargazersXisdibik: Hehehe, yeah :D09:11
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StargazersXisdibik: I listen metal much.09:12
StargazersI am a hairy hippie, then :D09:12
Xisdibikcrashanddie: im not a fan of Mandarin, or Catonese, but i dont know this "Chinese" you speak of09:12
loft306DocScrutinizer51 Xisdibik ek im getting a lock now!! prob just needed to sit for a bit to get first lock09:12
crashanddieyou understood my point09:12
crashanddienow gtfo you pedantic bod :P09:12
StargazersXisdibik: How did you guessed?09:12
Xisdibikloft306: probbaly,  i was sitting for 16 minutes for my train in freezing weather tonight, thats why it had time for a lock09:12
* simula_ kicks a can09:13
XisdibikStargazers: dunno, but i love metal too \m/09:13
StargazersHehe, nice. What kind of?09:13
XisdibikPower Metal and its derivatives09:13
loft306i know with my big bt unit it took it a while for its first lock09:13
StargazersFlandry: \o.09:13
simula_i finally got to the point where i can execute files on MyDocs, but my shell script is giving me problems :P09:13
Flandrywhat did it take simula_?09:13
Flandrydid you have to change fstab?09:14
StargazersXisdibik: Sonata Artica and Stratovarius and Dragonforce etc?09:14
Xisdibikall of those i like yes09:14
XisdibikHammerFall is my favorite09:14
Xisdibikor one of09:14
StargazersXisdibik: Nice, I am going to see Sonata in next year if I am alive :)09:14
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Xisdibik2012 isnt for a few years, you should be alive Stargazers09:14
StargazersHamemrfall? Well, I really love song of them "The Fallen" and "Always will be"09:14
StargazersXisdibik: Yeah :D09:14
simula_i had to remove the overwrite of the fstab in /etc/event.d/rcS-late09:14
simula_then update fstab09:15
StargazersBut I do not believe 2012 stuff.09:15
* Flandry wonders what the next doomsday is after Y2K and 201209:15
simula_then i umounted MyDocs and mount -a MyDocs09:15
StargazersXisdibik: Have you listened Rhapsody?09:15
StargazersThey have nice songs.09:15
XisdibikRhapsody of Fire as they are now called ;)?09:15
Xisdibikthey are another one up high on my list09:15
simula_a long term fix would be finding the script that mounts it :)09:15
Flandrysimula_: Make a wiki page about it?09:15
StargazersAll right. What about Elvenking? \p/09:15
StargazersHeathenreel is nice album.09:16
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Xisdibikdont know them :(  *writes down their name*09:16
sleipnirLinuxCode: this is perfect german. germans never have only one panzer ;-)09:16
Flandryohh Erlkonig09:16
Flandryi like that :P09:16
StargazersXisdibik: It is little kind different but you might like it or not.09:16
simula_Flandry, once i get the Qt 4.6 installed on my n900 i'll definitely put up a wiki :)09:16
StargazersXisdibik: But Dreamtale <309:16
StargazersIt is power metal.09:16
StargazersHave you ever heard?09:16
StargazersIt is excellent.09:16
XisdibikStargazers: i also listen ot other metal sometimes though09:16
Xisdibikdont know them either09:16
StargazersXisdibik: Well check it first ;)09:16
LinuxCodesleipnir, good point, he must be a collector then09:16
XisdibikI have Children of Bodom, InFlames etc also in my collection09:16
StargazersIt is that kind of stuff.09:16
StargazersAll right.09:17
StargazersI have In Flames  too.09:17
StargazersHave listened Bodom surely.09:17
sleipnirLinuxCode: :-)09:17
StargazersXisdibik: But have you heard Dark Tranquillity?09:17
XisdibikMetal sounds really nice from my n90009:17
XisdibikStargazers: yep have them09:17
StargazersPropably best metal band.09:17
StargazersAll right, nice :)09:17
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StargazersXisdibik: I saw them on Jyväskylä :)09:17
StskeepsPaulFertser: good questions for discussion09:18
XisdibikStargazers: no idea what that is.. but awesome \m/09:18
StargazersXisdibik: It is a city where I live.09:18
StargazersThere are some photos :)09:18
StargazersI was very close as you can see :D09:18
Xisdibikwas that taken with the n900??09:19
StargazersNope, there was no even talk about N900 then.09:19
StargazersIt was not published nor talked about it.09:19
StargazersI didn't even knew that some day there would be so lovely machine \o09:19
Xisdibikwell next concert you can take pics and upload them for us live during the concert ;)09:20
Xisdibikand take some videos09:20
StargazersHehe, well, have to think about it. If I take my phone on it (sometimes sooo much peoples that propably can break my phone..)09:21
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, (paulf) the mail about hostmode?09:21
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: yeah09:21
StargazersBut now gotta go o/ Have a nice day.09:22
XisdibikStargazers: Just tell the security you have a n900,   they will clear a space around u09:22
Xisdibiklater Stargazers im off to bed myself09:22
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, hope it helps to get some A from the right people09:22
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: a lot of nokians wish they had usb host as well so it might if there just might be a possibility for it :P09:23
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Stskeepsthere's a downside though, you can't charge and usb host at same time no matter what09:24
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Flandrywait, what's the news on usb host?09:24
StskeepsFlandry: none, just discussion09:25
FlandryDocScrutinizer51: i thought you had verified no possibility due to hardware09:25
DocScrutinizer51the most important question seems: can we disable the 1k5 pulldown. And can we feed 5V to receptacle09:25
DocScrutinizer51Flandry, nope09:26
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DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, (charge + hm) almost rue09:27
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps, with a Yfcable you actually can. See FR and even OTG specs charger supplement09:28
DocScrutinizer51dunno if thats true for N900 though09:29
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DocScrutinizer51possibly that's the *only* mode N900 is capable of09:30
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loft306brrr cold09:36
johnxyeah. I am not amused by the weather09:36
loft306and its 72f in here09:36
loft306hello cold gonna be in bed for a few days it seems09:36
loft306least i can watch movies in bed without trying to keep a lappi from everheating now09:37
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PaulFertserStskeeps: :D09:43
timeless_mbpwazd: does it run on maemo?09:44
wazdtimeless_mbp: currently it runs on photoshop :)09:45
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johnxwazd, how's photoshop's battery life?09:45
wazdtimeless_mbp: as all of my stuff though09:45
wazdjohnx: rather poor :)09:45
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timeless_mbpwazd: the bitly app?09:46
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PaulFertserDocScrutinizer51: (disable 1.5k pullup) almost certainly can, it highly impossible it's hard-wired, most probably it's controlled by a switch connected to musb.09:49
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wazdjoshua.maverick is raging with some custom monstrosity there so I thought it would be nice to give some more common solutions to the author09:49
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johnxyeah. I tend to like integrated apps better than ones that feel they need their own custom theme ...09:53
wazdevery custom thing should have it's purpose09:53
johnxvery true09:53
wazdCanola has custom ui cause it's made with EFL, not GTK09:54
wazdATi has custom UI to look like actual calcs for those who used them before09:54
tigertEFL has nothing necessarily to do with custom ui09:54
johnxalso...for some reason I feel like media players can get away with custom stuff more easily09:54
tigertyou could do a ui that follows maemo ui style with it just fine09:54
johnxthough I wish canola on maemo 5 integrated the top bar ...09:55
tigertcustom ui is nice for things like mediaplayer09:55
tigertbut for many things it is nice that things work in a consistent way09:55
wazdtigert: well, Canola has it's own UI ecosystem, well designed I should notice09:55
PaulFertserDocScrutinizer51: i think you can just measure DP and DM lines resistance to GND after asking musb to switch to the host mode, it would possibly give some insights.09:55
tigertyes, but it is totally different09:55
tigertI meant, it is not "because it was written with efl"09:56
wazdtigert: why twitter app should have custom UI - dunno :)09:56
tigertbut they designed it different09:56
tigertwell, I dunno either09:56
wazdtigert: well, I mean since it's not GTK anyway, they can do whatever they want :)09:56
* timeless_mbp sighs09:56
* timeless_mbp looks for native english speakers09:56
timeless_mbp(especially brits)09:57
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tigertwazd: it doesnt really matter - sure it is easier to do "native style" with gtk since it is already themed like that09:57
PaulFertserDocScrutinizer51: the sysfs node is called "mode" and valid parameters are "host", "peripheral" and "otg".09:57
timeless_mbpjohnx: you know you want to help09:57
tigertbut there is no reason why canola couldnt use the same ui style even with efl09:57
tigertit was just their decision to do it differently and experiment with a different ui style09:57
PaulFertserOthers with n900 and a multimeter can join in as well.09:57
johnxtimeless_mbp, I don't speak english worth a damn and you know it :P09:57
timeless_mbptigert: other than it'd technically be a royal pain ;)09:57
tigerttimeless_mbp: well, they designed their style from scratch I presume?09:58
timeless_mbp(not a reason not to do it)09:58
timeless_mbptigert: dunno09:58
tigertconverting it to native style now would be pain09:58
wazdtimeless_mbp: he can help with japaneese :D09:58
timeless_mbpbut manually interpreting gtk themes is never something "simple"09:58
tigertbut I meant, "lets use efl" and "lets make it different" are two different things09:58
johnxwazd, ha! that's a sure way to offend an entire country09:59
timeless_mbptigert: true09:59
tigert"lets do this with EFL and lets make it look native" would have been likely the same amount of work as "lets do it with efl and lets do our own style"09:59
timeless_mbpi'm just noting that it's probably moderately painful to get native theming working w/ EFL09:59
tigertbut it doesnt need to be native anyway09:59
timeless_mbptigert =~ s/lets/let's/09:59
tigertit just needs to look the same and behave the same :)09:59
johnxmimicking one gtk theme is one thing, but responding to all possible themes is kind of insane10:00
johnxeasier in maemo because there's only one engine10:00
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johnxbut I think choosing efl and choosing to design their own style were two decisions that came naturally together10:01
tigertjohnx: sure10:01
johnxonce one of the decisions was made the other was more likely to follow10:01
timeless_mbpwazd: erm10:01
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tigertand they had their vision of what they wanted to do10:01
tigertfit their needs nicely10:01
timeless_mbpdo they really have 5 buttons at the bottom?10:01
timeless_mbpplease tell them that this is Not OK10:01
tigertcanola is not "wrong ui" - it is just different10:01
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timeless_mbpyou can use 5 toolbar icons if you like10:01
timeless_mbpbut 5 buttons will not fit if translated10:01
timeless_mbptigert: speaking of which10:02
wazdtimeless_mbp: yeah10:02
timeless_mbpcan you take a cluebat to the networking ui designers?10:02
timeless_mbpi'll visit you sometime today for a demo10:02
tigertthose are not fingersized either10:02
timeless_mbpthey did something "fancy"10:02
* johnx wants to watch a demo of the cluebat10:02
tigertits not really a toolbar I think10:02
timeless_mbptigert: the bottom 5 buttons *should* be a toolbar10:02
timeless_mbpor just buried in the app menu10:03
wazdtimeless_mbp: app menu will do just fine10:03
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wazdtimeless_mbp: since these buttons are not for everysecond use anyway10:03
timeless_mbpsuihkulokki: =)10:03
johnxsuihkulokki, that's actually one of the funnier UF strips I've seen :D10:03
tigertsuihkulokki: heh, its been a loooooong time since I read UF10:04
timeless_mbpwazd: agreed10:04
timeless_mbpwazd: my ui analysis algorithm is as you saw it here10:04
timeless_mbptwo many buttons => overflow @ translation => toolbar it; hrm, are any of those things actually necessary? => menu it10:04
suihkulokkitigert: mee too, but I remembered that one so I just googled for cluebat userfriendly :)10:05
* tigert did some gpodder mockups on the weekend10:05
timeless_mbpspeaking of gpodder10:05
timeless_mbpa coworker promised to file a bug against it10:05
timeless_mbpbecause it doesn't install a file in /etc/osso-backup/applications10:05
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timeless_mbpand i gave him the file for that10:05
* timeless_mbp wonders if he filed the bug yet10:05
wazdtimeless_mbp: bad UI => follow guidelines => good UI :D10:06
tigertI also noticed a fun bug about panucci10:06
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tigertthe podcast/ebook player10:06
timeless_mbpwazd: hrm10:06
timeless_mbpdoesn't work for nokia apps10:06
tigertit doesnt play any sound when device has silent profile active :)10:06
ersinhi stskeeps10:06
tigertneed to poke thp about that :)10:06
Stskeepsmorning ersin10:06
ersinso my girlfriend kicked my laptop off the bed and now the screen's messed up =P  so no gtk hacking for a while10:07
ersinthank god for maemo xchat10:07
timeless_mbpersin: hack from n90010:07
sejomorning gents!10:07
ersintimeless_mbp plz send me one10:08
Stskeepsersin: well i hope the kicking was done not in malice :P10:08
sejohmm wpa and n900 not working allright :/10:08
timeless_mbpersin: i've already dropped one10:08
timeless_mbpi had to recall the last one i loaned out :(10:08
ersinstskeeps, oh not at all, just silliness10:08
ersintimeless_mbp: wow rough10:08
ersinthankfully my laptop is still under warranty10:08
timeless_mbpwell the guy i loaned it to was supposed to get his own10:08
timeless_mbpsadly my n900s are nokia's so.. no warranty10:09
johnxersin, will warranty really cover that?10:09
ashenburgerjohnx: probably depends on phrasing :)10:09
ersinjohnx: "what the dinner guests dont' know won't kill them"10:09
ersinashenburger: exactly10:09
ersinthe dinner guests being gateway et al10:09
johnxmy screen got a giant hole in it while it was sitting on a desk10:10
ersin? like, literally?10:10
timeless_mbpjohnx: nah, while sitting in my bag :)10:10
johnxsorry, forgot the "s :)10:10
ersinstskeeps: while i'm deprived of cpu power i thought i might pick your brain10:11
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johnxtrying to run your compiles on Stskeeps? :D10:11
Stskeepsersin: finishing up my thesis at the moment so the quota is low10:11
ersinstskeeps: i was wondering if you know what's preventing someone from building a totally new os for the nits from scratch...i recall something about a watchdog and it will reboot w/o nokia hw blobs10:11
Stskeepsersin: nothing10:12
ersinstskeeps: no worries then, i'm in a similar boat, applying to programs10:12
Stskeepsersin: except that if you go for a desktop distro, you10:12
ersinstskeeps: um, really??  why hasn't it been done before?10:12
Stskeeps'll end up with laptop like battery performance10:12
ersinand mer...?10:12
Stskeepsersin: sure it has, debian, gentoo10:12
Stskeepsand mer is closer to maemo and not as such a desktop environment10:13
ersinso wifi and bluetooth are supported in the kernel tree?10:13
ersin(do you know which drivers?)10:13
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Stskeepswe just abuse initfs for firmware10:13
ersinif there's a wiki with all this somewhere i'll take a look at that10:13
johnxby "kernel tree" do you mean mainline?10:14
ersinthat doesn't cause massive fails with different kernel versions?10:14
ersinjohnx: yes, ty10:14 sells N900 for 887.15 US dollars.  Dell sold N900 at 442 US dollars + free shipping + tax.  How is this possible?10:15
pupnik_Both unlocked.10:15
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wazdpupnik_: magic! :D10:16
* ersin goes to investigate running busybox on his n770 with what little graphics capabilities his poor laptop has left10:16
LinuxCodepupnik_, I will sell you one for £1000 , if you want to pay that10:16
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johnxersin, well, see...that's a different story :) There's different wifi driver that works for newer kernels. And the N810s have sound support in newer kernels, but the N800s have a slightly different codec. Support in newer kernels is kind of hit-or-miss, largely because no one has done the work10:17
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ersinjohnx: what about the 770's?10:18
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johnxuhm...I don't think people have looked at getting a newer kernel on them10:18
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ersinjohnx: and do you know which driver that different one is?10:18
Stskeepsersin: wifi kernel blob10:18
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ersinstskeeps: wasn't a hacker named fanoosh doing 770 wifi stuff?  he must've had access to the code10:19
tigerthah, that espeak sounds like the amiga speech synth10:21
johnxaka stlc45xx10:21
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pupnik_LinuxCode, why not buy from dell and sell in germany? (economic arbitrage)10:24
pupnik_Earn 300 dollars per n900 sold10:24
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LinuxCodei tell you why10:24
ashenburger-vat, I'd assume. possibly taxes to10:24
LinuxCodewe in Europe use 220-240 volts10:24
LinuxCodenot worth it10:25
pupnik_what is customs?10:25
LinuxCodethey tax it on import10:25
tigertthe charger does 110 / 22010:25
johnxpupnik_, a tax on people bad at smuggling10:25
LinuxCodetigert, still leaves VAT and customs and excise duty10:25
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pupnik_This is a ridiculous situation caused by european socialist government.\10:26
LinuxCodepupnik_, PLEASE10:26
LinuxCodethe US has customs too10:26
tigertkeep your socialism in your arse please10:26
pupnik_You do nnot explain why it is cheaper in us!!!10:26
rrr__just get one from UK and quit complaining :p10:27
LinuxCodepupnik_, sales tax10:27
LinuxCodeus 7%10:27
LinuxCodeUK 15%10:27
ashenburgernorway 25% :(10:27
pupnik_germany 20%10:27
LinuxCode+ currency fluctuations10:27
mecefinland 22%10:27
Stskeepsdk 25%10:27
pupnik_so we have 14 percent of the 100 percent surcharge10:27
johnxpupnik_, because you're willing to pay :P10:27
pupnik_where is the rest of the 86 percent, LinuxCode10:27
Corsacremember the dollar price nowadays :)10:27
LinuxCodepupnik_, ask Nokia10:27
ashenburgerbut if you buy it in another country you buy it tax-free no?10:28
Corsacashenburger: and you pay taxes in your own country10:28
pupnik_it is in the transaction cost of doing business in europe, due to all the regulations imposed10:28
ashenburgerwell, only if you really want to :p10:28
johnxever played the lemonade stand game on the Apple ][?10:28
meceI think it's cheaper in the us because it's a tougher market for Nok10:28
LinuxCodepupnik_, rubbish10:28
pupnik_what is the supply/demand curve for n900?  how many more would be sold at 300 euro price point?10:28
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pupnik_That is the relevance.10:29
LinuxCodepupnik_, US is the biggest market, in the World10:29
mecepupnik_ I'm guessing A LOT, but Nokia is guessing not so many.10:29
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LinuxCodecompanies set a price selling point per currency market10:29
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LinuxCodeso currency fluctuations level each other out10:30
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LinuxCodebesides, they might be buying their components in USD10:30
LinuxCodethe Chinese currency is linked to the USD10:30
johnxthough more likely in Won (sp?)10:30
pupnik_i used the current conversion rate between euro and dollar, LinuxCode - not some fantasy figure10:30
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CoreFusion-Good morning!10:31
LinuxCodepupnik_, that is market rate ;-p nobody gets that, not even banks10:32
* Flandry played Lemonade Stand10:32
* johnx thinks he still has Euros, Kroner and Yen left over, wonders how much...10:32
CoreFusion-Ok, I have about 4 hours of free time, anyone need some testing done?10:32
LinuxCodeand again, ask Nokia, they calculate in currency fluctuations, level of average income, etc..10:32
FlandryToday's forecast: Hot and dry! Oh yeah, time to sell big :P10:33
LinuxCodeanyway, pupnik_ bitch all you like, nothing will change10:33
suihkulokkiNokia needs to grab american market share desperately, so the n900 is priced there accordingly10:33
johnxFlandry, I learned more about economics from that game than any other time in school10:33
suihkulokkiin EU N still has many other phones sellign well10:34
johnxCoreFusion-, do you know where the extras-testing voting page is?10:34
FlandryI suspect that game's the reason i dislike business10:34
CoreFusion-johnx: is it this one?
pwnguinanyone understadn the purpose of /etc/event.d/act-dead?10:35
johnxFlandry, and also the reason why I feel no need to try and guess why the N900 is expensive some places: Nokia sales team must be die hard lemonade stand players10:35
FlandryHmm, wonder if Aztec and Swashbuckler code is around somewhere10:35
johnxCoreFusion-, just making sure. I don't have anything specific for you to test :)10:36
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timeless_mbpjohnx: i miss lemonade stand10:41
johnxplaying that game was one of the formative moments of my cynical attitude10:42
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timeless_mbpjohnx: i recently gave away my eastern european currency, too heavy, too little value10:42
timeless_mbppwnguin: so..10:43
timeless_mbpever heard of a reboot loop?10:43
timeless_mbpimagine your system manages to mess up a critical service10:43
timeless_mbpwhen that happens, we reboot10:43
timeless_mbpif your device isn't plugged into a charger, then what will happen assuming no acting is:10:44
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CoreFusion-Found a minor bug in mclock, how do i report it?10:44
timeless_mbpdevice tries to boot, x loads, various its poke the file system10:44
timeless_mbpthe critical app fails10:44
timeless_mbpthe device reboots10:44
timeless_mbpthis repeats forever (rather, until the device's battery is fully drained)10:44
StskeepsCoreFusion-: see if it's in bugs.maemo.org10:44
timeless_mbpwith act-dead, if you fail to get through to some reasonable point X times in a row, we give up10:44
timeless_mbpthere's something wrong, and you need to fix it first before we try to boot again10:45
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CoreFusion-Stskeeps: There doesn't seem to be anything about mClock in bugs.maemo.org10:45
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StskeepsCoreFusion-: check under extras?10:47
timeless_mbpCoreFusion-: bugzilla says it doesn't have a component10:47
timeless_mbponly mCalendar10:47
timeless_mbp(are they related?)10:47
CoreFusion-So how should I proceed?10:48
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timeless_mbpjohnx: so, i'm aware you're acting as a non native speaker10:48
timeless_mbpbut users are still good for me10:48
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timeless_mbpwon't you please be my user :)10:48
johnxheh. what's the question?10:48
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fnordiansliptimeless_mbp: interesting about act-dead.  does it offer any actual way to fix the problem (whatever it might be)?10:53
fnordianslipi.e. single user mode10:54
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johnxHmm...I think I'll hit my car with a baseball bat until it starts working10:58
timeless_mbpum, the device does10:58
timeless_mbpthe mode itself isn't really interested in doing that10:58
timeless_mbpand offers is kinda an overstatement10:58
timeless_mbpit's a device, there's a serial console and a usb port10:59
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timeless_mbpwith those you can talk to it10:59
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: i actually wish actdead would present itself better than death10:59
fnordianslipah. ok. so not for end users really11:00
timeless_mbpcome up w/ a better solution and you can ship it in Mer ;-)11:00
* timeless_mbp sighs11:01
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timeless_mbpthis slide show just misspelled the email address for the contact11:01
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johnxtimeless_mbp, it's ok. I don't think they'll get many complaints ... by email :D11:02
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sejoIs there a list somewhere where I can see what packages are new in the testing repo?11:03
sejoand does someone knom how to join rooms on jabber with the n900?11:03
timeless_mbpsejo: the qa page isn't good enough?11:03
sejotimeless_mbp: that would be perfectvvv11:04
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timeless_mbp ?11:04
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odin_does N900 take OTA SMS for setting updates?11:04
sejothx timeless_mbp11:05
timeless_mbpodin_: the localization has strings that talk about it11:05
timeless_mbpi've never seen it show those strings11:05
timeless_mbpand i am not going to check to see if they're really used11:05
timeless_mbp(but as a localizer, i know they exist)11:05
Stskeepsit's possible to be dragged into a multi user chat i think11:05
RST38hjohnx: Still alive?11:05
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johnxRST38h, fraid so :P11:06
* timeless_mbp sighs11:06
* RST38h needs some help with setting up a package under Maemo11:06
timeless_mbpStskeeps / et al, visit: w/ your n90011:06
sejoStskeeps: I tried to join a room but that didn't work11:06
timeless_mbpand click on "Maps"11:06
RST38hjohnx: goooooooooood =)~11:06
RST38hjohnx: Let us say I have a nethack11:06
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RST38hjohnx: It is installed into /opt/vultures, there is a binary there, started by a script /usr/bin/vultures11:07
johnxwith you so far11:07
RST38hjohnx: Now, Nethack has to be able to write a few files in its data dir11:07
johnxwhat kind of files?11:07
RST38hThis includes the scorecard, the save games, and a link("perm","perm_lock") to insure it is the only program writing stuff there11:07
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RST38hWhich leads vultures failing to run unless you run it as root of course11:08
RST38hHow I am trying to fix it:11:08
johnxsave games go in ~/ , scorecard (high scores?) actually have a system wide directory (like /var/games or something) and that link can written wherever you want. /tmp or /var/run maybe?11:09
odin_timeless_mbp, no sure I follow you comment.. localization ?  the updates Im after are for  MMS + WAP/GRPS/PacketData and anything else, we are talking of the same thing?11:09
RST38hcd /opt/vultures ; chgrp games . vultures <datafiles> ; chmod g+s vultures ; chmod g+w . <datafiles>11:09
timeless_mbpodin_: yes11:09
RST38hjohnx: Sorry, it is not an option11:09
timeless_mbpodin_: did you know that your n900 can speak more than one language?11:09
odin_I tested my N900 out on real network and it wont connect to PacketData, so I need to know what to ask my operator for11:09
timeless_mbpi've written my own translation11:09
RST38hjohnx: have ot do it as shown above. It does not work. Any idea why?11:09
odin_timeless_mbp, can speak?   can you name the languages it can speak ?11:10
StskeepsRST38h: postinst? :P11:10
timeless_mbpspeak = display text11:10
johnxRST38h, 1) I have little interest in nethack 2) you're making your pacakge in a way that won't work on mer ... so my motivation for jumping down the rabbit hole is very small11:10
RST38hStskeeps: I have done it MANUALLY just now. Does not work.11:10
odin_if i ask for N97 or E95 (or whatever) OTA setting, will they work with N900 ?11:10
RST38hjohnx: This is how Nethack worked for years11:10
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RST38hjohnx: I am trying not to invent things11:11
odin_my operator (Vodafone) never heard of N900 yet... so all I can do is tell them to send same setting for N97 or E95 or someting they do know about11:11
johnxRST38h, I guarantee it isn't packaged that way on debian11:11
johnx(or any sane multi-user system)11:11
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odin_timeless_mbp, I dont understand what the display text and locale has to do with OTA SMS setting11:11
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johnxuhm. so chrgrp is failing on a vfat fs is what you're saying?11:12
timeless_mbpodin_: in order to support most things11:12
RST38hchgrp works11:12
timeless_mbpthe device has to tell you something11:12
RST38hchmod works11:12
RST38hit is not a vfat fs, it is /opt11:12
timeless_mbpif it can't tell you something happened, how would you deal w/ it11:12
johnxah right. got turned around11:12
timeless_mbpin order for you to be told, it has to speak your language11:12
RST38hit just can't open or link any of those files, in spite of all the bits being in place11:12
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timeless_mbpas such, if there's no translation of a message relating to a feature, it's unlikely that the feature exists11:12
RST38hmaybe the OS prohibits changing group?11:13
timeless_mbp(existence of a translation for a string doesn't imply the feature, although the lack thereof generally implies the lack of existence)11:13
odin_timeless_mbp, erm....  when my new E72 was turned on with new SIM, I got 1 SMS (which I could not read), this was the OTA via SMS settings... the phone never told me anything....  I then promptly rebooted the phone, because I just knew that is what you should do after tou get some SMS updates with a new SIM/phone (since this is what Ive always done for 10 years)11:13
timeless_mbpodin_: i doubt that11:14
odin_timeless_mbp, so localization really has nothing to do with what I'm on about11:14
timeless_mbpwhen i used my e61i the ota sms explained that it was a special settings thing11:14
timeless_mbpthat was a localized message11:14
johnxRST38h, so which of those commands are you running as root, and which as some user in the games group? (pastebin might be the most concise)11:14
odin_on the E72 I got a new message indicate, which I read but nothing displayed at all it went back to home screen and new message indicate was reset11:15
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odin_but yes I agree, some older phones I've had, did have a written message for the same thing11:15
odin_but thats not actually important, the important things are the setting contained, will the phone interpret them and setup profiles for GRPS connections and such ?11:15
sejotimeless_mbp: nice work with the store11:16
timeless_mbpsejo: store?11:16
timeless_mbpmy translation is enus111:16
timeless_mbpthe only thing i did to store was change 'store' to 'ovi store'11:16
odin_the N900 can't do MMS yet anyway?11:16
sejoerr the i mean11:16
timeless_mbpsejo: not my work11:16
timeless_mbpsejo: did you click on the maps link?11:16
timeless_mbpfor me i got a message saying my n810 isn't supported11:17
timeless_mbpwhich is interesting, because as i noted, i have an n90011:17
timeless_mbpooh, they're asking this guy about n900 support11:17
sejotimeless_mbp: seems to work here (slow though)11:17
sejoach no11:17
timeless_mbpsejo: what?!11:18
sejonot supported11:18
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timeless_mbpdoes it say n900 or n810?11:18
sejotext just didn't render11:18
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* timeless_mbp sends an email11:18
Stskeepsmorn RevdKathy11:18
johnxhey RevdKathy11:18
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johnxtimeless_mbp, so, was I testing something specific in your l10n?11:19
timeless_mbpnope, just breathe it11:19
timeless_mbpsejo: message sent11:19
timeless_mbpjohnx: well11:19
odin_does the N900 support "WAP" settings?  there is different APN for "Internet" and "WAP"11:19
timeless_mbptest the clock11:19
johnxI liked "Switch off!" better. Everytime I read it I thought of C3PO yelling at R2D2 :)11:19
timeless_mbpodin_: we don't support WAP period11:20
timeless_mbpjohnx: lol11:20
odin_WAP is just old-hat :)11:20
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RevdKathyMorning all. not really here but IT decided to remotely update my pc while I was using it so thought I'd see how xchat works on n90011:20
RST38hjohnx: I run vultures executable with g+s11:20
RST38hjohnx: Not running anything as root. It fails11:20
timeless_mbpRevdKathy: how nice of them11:20
RST38hjohnx: Now, when I run vultures executable as root, it works11:20
johnxRST38h, if you try to do the things it does, by hand as the user, what happens?11:21
RST38hnot getting permission of course11:21
johnxRST38h, did you add user to games?11:21
RST38hno, why should I?11:22
johnxtimeless_mbp, so, uhm. did you change the timezone listing at the bottom right?11:22
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timeless_mbpjohnx: i tried to move the japanese cities out of the ocea11:22
johnxerrr...did it ever actually say the "name" of the timezone?11:22
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RST38hI have a vultures executable that has group set to games AND has g+s11:22
johnxlike PST instead of GMT-811:22
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timeless_mbpwe don't know that11:22
timeless_mbp(we're idiots)11:23
RST38hShouldn't that be sufficient?11:23
odin_is there a GPRS connection failure log?11:23
timeless_mbpjohnx: please file a bug in bugs.maemo.org11:23
johnxRST38h, I don't know what the code does :P just trying to think of a way to verify it with code that "should" work11:23
RST38hjohnx: no use, better try verifying that the process does indeed guid to games11:24
johnx(code like "mkdir" and "touch" and "ln")11:24
RST38hEven THIS I cannot verify :(11:24
johnxheh. but if you could do it as user, you could mkdir from your launcher script :P11:24
johnxor touch or whatever11:24
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RST38hwait I found how to look up the group!!!11:25
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RST38hok, the busybox ps is too braindamaged to support -o or O flag11:28
RST38hso, no doughnut11:28
timeless_mbpRST38h: i don't think busybox ps supports any flags11:29
waz1DDP will start shipping when they'll have  300 refurbished  n900 I suppose :)11:30
odin_RST38h, im working on busyboxless package :)11:30
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* RST38h tears his hair out, what the hell is going on?11:30
RST38hThe filesystem does nto seem to disable guid11:31
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* timeless_mbp sighs11:31
odin_this will provide the same tools and place in /usr/local/bin (so shells and such can use proper versions)11:31
* timeless_mbp needs to shoot a couple of people11:31
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timeless_mbpok, can a nokian please walk me through setting up voip?11:33
timeless_mbpmy n900 is tied to a non internationalized sim :(11:33
odin_u have VoIP provider?  (I know about VoIP but have not gotten to doing that with N900 yet)11:34
timeless_mbpmy employer supposedly11:34
timeless_mbpalthough apparently they do not approve of our protocol stack :o11:34
odin_is it asterisk based ?11:35
ersinis there somewhere i can get a .config list for the 770 kernel?11:35
timeless_mbpi kinda doubt it11:35
johnxersin, you mean Nokia's one? yeah. I'd hope so11:36
timeless_mbppresumably there's a debian package w/ sources?11:36
ersinjohnx, sorry sarcasm carries poorly over the you mean that it's obvious or that it's hopeless =P11:36
johnxersin, neither ;) if they don't have it, they'll get hung out to dry by open source zealots :)11:37
johnxand I think they're smarter than that11:37
ersinhah true11:37
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ersinmm must be in a different jffs2 image...11:37
johnxhmm? the .config? I bet it's in their kernel-source debian package11:38
ersinoh good idea11:38
johnxdo you have gregale sdk setup somewhere?11:38
ersinno, but maybe i can just dl it from the repo11:38
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odin_ok I take it other people have gotten GPRS/PacketData working for them ?  I am Vodafone/UK and APN is setup but it wont connect "Internet connection failed.  Try again?"11:39
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* timeless_mbp sighs11:39
* timeless_mbp really needs to strangle someone11:39
* zash hides11:39
* odin_ puts himself up for torture11:40
* johnx films it for youtube11:40
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LynoureSuch cooperation :) I love the Internet.11:40
odin_use a regular phone like everyone else .... its what the operators love... they dont like any of this VoIP nonsense, there is no money in that !11:40
RevdKathyOk got a meeting to attend. It works, anyway! (thanks to GAN900 for installing to My Mo)11:41
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RST38hAnd guess what? She can even USE it at her meeting!11:41
odin_are there any GPRS connectivity logfiles?  is GPRS a form of PPP ?11:41
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johnxRST38h, strangely enough. there are still professions where laptop/gadget use at meetings is kind of a faux pas11:42
Stskeepsjohnx: it's excellent when laptops are banned but people use gadgets instead11:43
RST38hjohnx: Well, there is always under-the-table!11:43
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johnxRST38h, yeah. I always choose to pretend they're just playing with their iphones ...11:44
timeless_mbpRST38h: doesn't work as well for a laptop as it does for a touchpad/phone11:45
fralsnokia sweden finally shipping, mms here i come!11:45
JamieBennettAnyone seen a bug that makes you inbox become INBOX (and hence doesn't work) on the n900?11:45
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ccookeGood Morning11:45
odin_can it be connected via WLAN and GPRS at the same time ?11:45
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lbt_odin_: I have it working - uk/vodaphone11:46
RST38hJamieBennett: Yes. It is called "installing PINE"11:46
JamieBennettRST38h, only have it on11:47
JamieBennettone account and its annoying11:47
JamieBennettDoesn't always do it, maybe 50/5011:47
zaheermjeremiah, hi any idea if the fremantle build queue is stuck?11:47
homeasvsjeremiah, if it is, most likely it's because of my erlang build11:48
homeasvsjeremiah, if the build system also uses qemu, I also have some idea why it is hanging11:48
odin_lbt, I have APN setup (it was there by default, so maybe loaded from SIM or OTA SMS ?) its setup for "Vodafone Internet GPRS", "Packet Data", "Internet", "web", "web", Don't prompt for password at every login, Advanced settings nothing it setup all on AUTO, I am uk/vodafone/contract11:48
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floriangood morning11:50
johnxwoo! I think I dodged a bullet and don't have to re-image 21 machines at work11:51
johnxsometimes I almost wish ssh was a little *less* strict ...11:51
RST38hlike, that it would read your mind and do the right thing?11:54
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odin_ok I give up on N900 GPRS for now... (like i gave up on Fedora12 last night, when my video card was not correctly supported, even through it was in FC5 which is what I run now)11:57
* odin_ grumbles....11:57
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odin_tiflsc, is that a real IPv6 address you have there?  or some kind of host-nickname ?11:58
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johnxodin_, trying to use the gps without any kind of internet connection or ...?11:59
zaheermodin_, my wife has hers set for uk vodafone and it advanced settings just choosing vodafone from the list of UK providers11:59
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odin_GPRS  (Packet Data connection)11:59
odin_zaheerm, the list of UK providers?  maybe I missed a step somewhere?11:59
johnxheh...I was following the whole conversation and yet I totally misread that11:59
zaheermodin_, when you start the phone for the first time, it asks you12:00
odin_I have no idea how it got the current settings it has, but they are correct as per vodafone's website (and my other phone's a E72)12:00
odin_oh I had no SIM then (when I booted it up first time)12:01
zaheermnor did she...but when she put sim in, that's when it asked12:01
odin_can't it guess provider from OperatorID12:01
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odin_well I guess I need to take the sim out and swap E72 one for N900 one and see if they work vice-versa12:02
odin_oh I like some of the thoughts/features of the E72 (only had that 2 weeks as well), we need to port some of them to N900 :)12:03
tigertodin_: tried the wizard?12:04, also doesn't RIM have patent on "push email" but hasn't the BIFF service been around for 20 years + ?12:04
tigertno  wait12:04
odin_I can't obviously see a wizard12:06
odin_but I am sure it is in front of me12:06
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Myrttioh god I hate the new xournal :-(12:09
Myrttiis there a way to get the grid background?12:10
odin_the Settings -> Internet Connection -> New (only seems to let you setup WLAN, not PacketData?)12:10
sejosomeone tried the MfE with zimbra? and can explain hom to do it?12:10
odin_I had better not accidentally select my GPRS profile, cus then I would be hosed !12:11
Jaffaodin_: it's through the phone bit/inserting a SIM & allowing data connection AFAICT12:11
auenfzimbra mfe is pay-for?12:11
* odin_ looks at "phone bit" :)12:11
* Jaffa is using his N900 on Vodafone UK with no probs.12:12
sejoauenf: bleh apparently :/12:12
Myrttiplease tell me there's a way to choose grid background to xournal...?12:12
auenfonly imap/pop/webmail is part of OSS12:12
odin_its a new number/SIM, so for all I know its vodafone's problem, but they say its all enabled12:12
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cancis there a way to have boot options at startup ?12:14
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RST38hMyrtti: "New" Diablo xournal or new Fremantle xournal?12:15
RST38hDo you mean the lobotomized one from Fremantle?12:15
JaffaMyrtti: ask anidel?12:15
timeless_mbpcanc: eh? what for/why?12:15
woglindemoo rst12:16
RST38hJaffa: that has been done, he promised to bring the normal UI back after Barcelona12:16
* timeless_mbp pokes Jaffa / GAN900 for en testing12:16
* RST38h herds woglinde out into the meadow12:16
MyrttiRST38h: fremantle :-(12:16
tiflscodin_: it's real. university is v6 ready12:16
* Myrtti cries12:16
Myrttithis is no good for designing knitting patterns anymore :-(12:16
RST38hMyrtti: Anidel says he had to go back to this lobotomized UI due to Fremantle UI "guidelines"12:16
canctimeless_mbp: I got a N900, and it freeze during the boot I wonder if there is a way to see what module is going wrong12:17
Jaffatimeless_mbp: 'fraid not. Using random Helsinki wifi and have got to head back shortly.12:17
RST38hMyrtti: He did promised to bring back the normal UI, if someone helps him with advice on how to add it all in Maemo5412:17
RST38hMyrtti: So, catch him here and do not get off his back until this happens =)12:17
MyrttiI hope someone does, I can't code even the bloody counter widget...12:18
RST38hMyrtti: he does not need help coding12:18
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MyrttiRST38h: I mean, I have probably no skills in what he needs help for12:18
woglindehm hm12:18
RST38hMyrtti: He needs help arranging all the xournal settings so that they are all easily accessible, without resorting to a traditional Maemo4 menu12:18
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Myrttiah, ok12:18
woglindehm xournal12:18
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timeless_mbpJaffa: you're in town?12:19
timeless_mbpand you didn't say hello?12:19
RST38hMyrtti: You probably know that Maemo5 Design Guide is not helping by stating that "you should reduce the amount of options available in your app to simplify the UI"12:19
timeless_mbpcanc: generally speaking we do debugging via a serial console12:19
timeless_mbpif you don't have a serial console then passing random boot flags won't get you very far12:20
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MyrttiRST38h: the irony of that which coincides with my work the past few months, doesn't go unnoticed, I'm laughing and crying at the same time.12:20
MyrttiDesign guide... oh boy.12:21
StskeepsRST38h: yeah, we just discussed it in mer. they seem to have various copyright infringement issues (nokia sans, etc)12:21
StskeepsRST38h: that said, they do have a huge bunch of self made work12:21
RST38hStskeeps: Which will not help them with copyright issues, unfortunately12:21
woglindehm uh vmware now released there embedded hypervisor12:21
fralsthey use ms icons and sounds as well from what i gatheredo n that mid12:21
Stskeepswoglinde: url?12:21
canctimeless_mbp: ok, so if I want to have it booting again, I have to look for a serial console ? does it work even if the maemo system is down ?12:21
RST38hStskeeps: So, the only thing saving them from a police raid is Nokia China not knowing which government buttons to push12:22
StskeepsRST38h: they are trying to sell it in the US12:22
RST38hMyrtti: Yes, suffer now ;)~~~12:22
timeless_mbpcanc: serial consoles don't lie around in general12:22
timeless_mbpthey mostly live in nokia offices12:22
RST38hStskeeps: know12:22
canctimeless_mbp: Not sure I like this answer :/12:23
MyrttiRST38h: oy, I didn't write it! I've just... helped create... the framework it's done on... *cough*12:23
Stskeepscanc: make a fbcon kernel12:23
timeless_mbpcanc: i'm not sure you got the message, but roughly "don't do that"12:23
timeless_mbpif your device has a problem, take it to nokia care12:23
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RST38hMyrtti: The Tentacled One does not differentiate!12:24
canctimeless_mbp: It's not a question of do or don't, the device freeze during boot time, I mean, if it's a linux, I may be able to do something ?12:24
* timeless_mbp shrugs12:24
cancok :)12:24
woglindestskeep ->
RST38hMyrtti: Seriously though, there are several ways to work around the UI framework defficiencies12:24
timeless_mbpyou may be able to void your warranty too, that doesn't mean you should :)12:25
RST38hMyrtti: Anidel just has not looked at them yet, I guess12:25
timeless_mbpcanc: roughly, if you don't report this to nokia care, nokia isn't officially aware of the problem12:25
timeless_mbpwhich actually sucks from our perspective12:25
woglindeI should read to the end12:25
canctimeless_mbp: you're right12:25
timeless_mbpcanc: put another way, it's a consumer electronics device, you're supposed to complain like a consumer, not fix it yourself12:26
odin_does the serial console not work with the existing tooling ?  maybe someone orght to write up a Wiki page on how to make one12:26
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timeless_mbpRST38h: "wow"12:27
canctimeless_mbp:  So my idea of it's a linux powered device, I may be able to fix it when it won'twork anymore is wrong12:27
timeless_mbp(watching video)12:27
timeless_mbpcanc: well, you *could* do that12:27
timeless_mbpbut it's the wrong mindset12:27
odin_yes I must pay more attention to the "Limited Warranty" terms12:27
timeless_mbpthat mindset is more suitable for openmoko devices12:27
timeless_mbpyou're paying for a warranty12:28
timeless_mbpyou should use it12:28
odin_s/for a warranty/for a LIMITED warranty/12:28
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timeless_mbp(and you're paying for support)12:28
* Jaffa heads back for the prodding12:28
canctimeless_mbp: ok, in my world when a linux device freeze during the boot sequence, I try to see what's going wrong, I'm not used to this warranty things12:28
Stskeepscanc: if you're a linux hacker, then make a fbcon kernel and take it from there :P12:29
cancStskeeps: I'll have a look at fbcon, I don't know yet what it is :)12:29
meceHello, has anyone gotten google-album-art-downloader to work?12:29
Stskeepscanc: fbcon is the stuff to get you framebuffer console12:30
cancStskeeps: It's what I'm reading :)12:30
* odin_ goes and starts hacking a NOLO Yee-Haaaah!12:30
Stskeepsodin_: say bye bye to your soon-to-be-brick12:31
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odin_hmm I just realised the E72 batter us huge compared to N90012:34
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timeless_mbpRST38h: i want to see that guy stick it in his pocket12:35
RST38hWhat are you talking about?12:35
odin_but actually N900 is almost same capacity... 1320mAh v 1500mAh12:35
RST38hthe chinese mid?12:35
timeless_mbp> Optima OP5-E resurfaces with English OS, gets lengthy video review12:35
RST38hah ok12:35
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sejohow do I sync with ovi on the n900?12:37
timeless_mbpsejo: is that supported?12:37
sejotimeless_mbp: I hope so!12:37
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derfSo what do I do when, 8 hours after uploading to the autobuilder, my packages still aren't in the repository and there's no mention of them in ?12:37
sejotimeless_mbp: would be a serious foil if I can't sync my contacts/calendar with nothing but exchange12:38
woglindehi hrw12:38
infobotsejo meant: timeless_mbp: would be a serious fai if I can't sync my contacts/calendar with nothing but exchange12:38
infobotsejo meant: timeless_mbp: would be a serious fail if I can't sync my contacts/calendar with nothing but exchange12:38
timeless_mbpsejo: um, there are 2 windows apps Nokia PC Suite and Ovi Suite12:38
timeless_mbpmy experience w/ Ovi Suite was awful12:39
sejotimeless_mbp: on the site I can't add the n900 to the supported devices12:39
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timeless_mbpi think it basically said "thanks for wasting your time downloading our junk, but we don't support you"12:39
sejotimeless_mbp: I don't use windows... ever...12:39
timeless_mbpwine :)12:39
meceand cheese!12:39
sejono way!12:39
timeless_mbppc suite otoh can sync contacts/calendar/... to the n90012:39
hrwtimeless_mbp: my experience with any win32 nokia tools was awful12:39
meceI use wine for spotify.12:39
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mecespeaking of which...12:40
mecegotta compile despotify for this baby!12:40
timeless_mbp(but pc suite sync kinda talks to outlook, which you probably wouldn't have)12:40
zaheermderf, the autobuilder is stuck12:40
johnxhas anyone looked into syncing with the evolution data server on the device?12:41
sejotimeless_mbp: nope don't have it12:41
johnxthere was some effort for maemo 412:41
zaheermderf, shows the backlog12:41
johnxsync-eveolution or something?12:41
lucentis the N900 screen likely to crack?  I don't have one delivered yet, so I have questions about durability12:41
sejojust supporting syncML would be great12:41
timeless_mbplucent: if you sit on it?12:41
lucentjust wonder if it's going to survive being compressed inside a backpack12:41
Stskeepslucent: mine has taken a fair beating so far12:41
derfzaheerm: Oh, good, that was what I was looking for.12:41
timeless_mbp"don't do that"12:41
timeless_mbpoh, don't jump on it either!12:42
lucentmore or less so than Apple product like iPhone or iPod ?12:42
timeless_mbpand no taking a hammer to the screen12:42
sejoa nail and a hammer would do the trick also12:42
zaheermjeremiah, ping re: autobuilder being stuck probably due to erlang package12:42
sejoor a hammer alone12:42
mecelucent, it's not glass, so it wont crack like an iphone12:42
timeless_mbpsejo:  =b12:42
sejoa nail alone would be a challenge though12:42
johnxsejo, you could probably use it to let the LC in your LCD out :)12:43
lucentthanks for the responses12:43
meceif it's a big nail and you use force, it should break easily.12:43
sejolol johnx12:43
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odin_ok I switched SIMs and now the N900 can use Vodafone internet ok, but E72 can not, so it is a Vodafone problem !12:44
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johnxodin_, awesome! yeah I haven't heard of many people having problems like that12:45
zaheermodin_, kick vodafone in the arse :)12:45
johnxand the reason it works: because you gave up earlier ;)12:45
lucentI'm pondering whether to bring an N900 with me when I'm doing sports like skiing/snowboarding12:45
timeless_mbplucent: i'd skip taking it down w/ you when you go skuba diving :)12:46
lucentcan take quite a beating in a breast pocket if I yard sale badly12:46
infobottimeless_mbp meant: lucent: i'd skip taking it down w/ you when you go scuba diving :)12:46
johnxlucent, that's what I keep "last gen" devices around for12:46
Stskeepslucent: get a hard case for it?12:46
lucentStskeeps: which hard case do you like for the N900?12:46
Stskeepslucent: i have a pouch personally since i don't snowboard.12:46
timeless_mbpi'd probably just by a disposable phone for the slopes12:47
rangeAs you cannot use the N900 with only one hand, it's not the perfect snowboard phone anyway :)12:47
timeless_mbpyou're not really going to be doing a lot of GPS/Web Surfing as you go up or down..12:47
timeless_mbpi suppose the lifts could be long..12:47
lucentI was thinking about GPS12:47
zemmtimeless_mbp: if i may ask stupidish question; few days ago you said something about problems (with flashing and out of sync?) if there were symlinks from /usr to secondary fs. Wouldn't flashing reset the rootfs and replace symlinks with real files and the previous files would be un-used abritrary files on eMMC?12:48
* timeless_mbp did take an n800 or two and probably an n810 up on a gondola @whistler12:48
lucentto track my activity / ascent / descent12:48
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timeless_mbpzemm: until you try too use the script12:48
Stskeepslucent: get a gps collector gadget and unload afterwars12:48
zemmwhat script12:48
timeless_mbpthe point is your file system is out of sync12:48
zaheermor use ecoach12:48
johnxah. I was going to say: "If you're relying on that GPS for life/death reasons, you're in line for a Darwin award."12:48
timeless_mbpwhichever one makes the symlinks12:48
timeless_mbplucent: i'd get a dedicated device for that12:49
timeless_mbpthere are certainly devices for cyclists12:49
zemmi was thinking about just doing it by hand in case i some day need =P12:49
timeless_mbpi'd be shocked if there aren't similar ones for skiers12:49
timeless_mbpzemm: again, the big problem is merging the data12:50
timeless_mbpwhich is virtually impossible12:50
lucentI've ordered a Zagg screen protector, and a Nokia CP321 case12:50
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zemmbut wouldn't the whole thing be reset with flashing? so all the files i may have moved to another fs, would be irrelevant and deleted? back to starting point12:50
lucentguess I'm just anxious for my N900 order to ship12:51
zemmwell let me put it this way: if i flash the rootfs of my device, will all my installed applications be gone?12:52
Stskeepszemm: yes, but some might remain on /opt on the internal SD12:52
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zemmthat would sound like a potentially broken stuff :o12:52
Stskeepszemm: personally i hope next SSU will wipe /opt at first boot, but hmm12:53
sejolucent: the wait well be worted even without proper calendar/contacts syncing *grin*12:53
johnxzemm, yes, but at least you won't be able to easily uninstall it after reflashing12:53
timeless_mbpStskeeps: that'd piss me off12:53
timeless_mbpi have media in there12:53
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: in the 2gb? :P12:53
johnxtimeless, in /opt or ~MyDocs?12:53
timeless_mbp(it will be, but is not yet managed by a package)12:53
timeless_mbpin /opt12:53
johnx"don't do that"12:53
* johnx ducks12:54
Stskeepserr i mean next fw image, not ssu12:54
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timeless_mbpso, "if user is dumb enough to reflash, let them lose /opt/*" ?12:54
timeless_mbpi could live w/ that12:54
timeless_mbpyou roughly speaking need to do that12:54
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: right12:54
timeless_mbpbut it needs a bigger warning than the one we have12:55
johnxI suggest replacing the users12:55
johnxI did that at work and it's made a ton of difference12:55
zemmi know there is something that i don's understand here.. if there is folder /foo/bar on rootfs that would be wiped out with flashing, how can it be different if i had linked it to another fs, and it would be disconnected on flashing (link replaced by original dir, and me manually deleting the now disconnected /home/foo/bar)  :(12:56
sejobit hard for the cashflow usually johnx12:56
johnxsejo, well I changed jobs in the process, but from my point of view I stopped having teenagers using windows and now have adults using macs (and some linux!)12:57
johnxanyways, 3AM here. time for some sleep :)12:57
johnx'night chaps12:57
woglindenite johny12:58
woglindeargs x12:58
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murraycDoes anyone know of a desktop widget or status applet that's implemented with Qt?13:00
woglindemurrayc kde?13:01
woglindeshould have a lot13:01
Stskeepsmurrayc: there was a project re plasma on hildon desktop13:01
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zaheerma hildon desktop widget/status applet?13:02
woglindezaheerm qt13:02
woglindenot gtk13:02
zaheermyes but for hildon desktop13:02
zaheermnot for kde right?13:02
murrayczaheerm: Yes.13:02
woglindebut maybee its no so diffrent13:02
zaheermit shouldn't be much different from a gtk+ one13:02
woglindedontknow howmany functions kdelibs warps13:03
murrayczaheerm: I'm wondering how a qmake-based application would get a pkg-config variable, and I know that desktop widgets and status applets need to do that to discover the install locations.13:03
VDVsxmurrayc, there's some silly demo in extras-devel13:03
woglindehi VDVsx13:03
VDVsxwoglinde, hey13:03
murrayczaheerm: Well, it's a GTK+ based API - you have to derive a GObject.13:03
lcukmurrayc, at the summit Mek managed to get qt based desktop widgets running, whether they were the expected version or not im not sure, but its a lead.  you might also call into #qt-maemo and ask there13:04
murraycOK, thanks.13:05
woglindegm lcuk13:05
murraycMek, do you have a URL for some code?13:05
lcukmornin woglinde13:05
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timeless_mbpzemm: the assumption we have is that for any link you create once off the root fs13:08
timeless_mbpyou're likely to want to recreate it later after reflashing13:08
ersinhmm is there any easy way of merging deprecated kernel drivers back into a new kernel?13:08
woglinde*sigh*  I want newer debhelper in fremantle13:08
timeless_mbpthe data that spans that link is going to be in a mixed state13:08
timeless_mbpwoglinde: one where triggers work?13:09
timeless_mbpwoglinde: you're greedy13:09
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* timeless_mbp wants en(us|gb) testers/speakers w/ n900s13:09
woglindetimeless_mbp nope where dh_override works13:10
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odin_right the issue I think was lack of provisioning of Internet PacketData service on SIM, tut!13:11
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zemmso the point was just the case that i would do the linking again, to the old files (from before flashing?) which of course i would not do13:12
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timeless_mbpwoglinde: bah. you're being lazy13:12
timeless_mbpzemm: why wouldn't you?13:12
timeless_mbpobviously you did it the first time13:12
timeless_mbpand note that the original discussion involved asking nokia to do this13:12
timeless_mbpyou're free to do whatever the heck you lik13:12
infobottimeless_mbp meant: you're free to do whatever the heck you like13:13
zemmwhen i did it the first time, i copied the files as they were in the moment the linking was done13:13
timeless_mbpbut if what you do happens to change how the system works for more than just you, we have problems13:13
timeless_mbpzemm: again, your /opt will be horribly out of sycn13:13
zemmof course. my main point of asking in the first place was just that usually there is always something about anything that you might not know13:14
timeless_mbpStskeeps is right, the only safe way to do it is rm -rf /opt/*13:14
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woglindetimeless_mbp sure why do want rework debian packages13:14
woglindeto older cruft13:14
zemmeg. would be that for some mysterious hack the whole symlink would not work in the first place :)13:14
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woglindenow I am trying imagemagick13:15
zemmas it would in general linux13:15
timeless_mbpparse error13:15
* timeless_mbp gives up13:15
timeless_mbpthere are a couple of issues13:15
derfwoglinde: I wanted a newer debhelper in bora.13:15
derfGood luck with that.13:15
timeless_mbp1. /opt isn't mounted at the beginning of the boot process, no idea when it comes13:15
timeless_mbp2. dealing w/ /opt across flashings is painful13:15
woglindederf lol13:16
woglindeI never touched bora13:16
woglindenor will I13:16
derfYou shouldn't have.13:16
woglindedespite the old days to get pptp running on N70013:16
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woglindehm whats -R for an gcc option13:16
derfIt's a linker option.13:17
woglinde~lart imagemagick13:17
* infobot puts imagemagick into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of imagemagick's hair of13:17
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woglinde~lart imagemagick for not understanding autotools and libtool13:18
derf_Nobody_ understands autotools and libtool.13:18
derfAnyone who claims to is lying to you.13:18
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woglindeI am not a liar13:19
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derfI don't believe you.13:19
woglindeyour problem13:19
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derfIf you "understand" them, perhaps you can tell me why it insisted on adding `cygpath -w ...` around all of my source files.13:19
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derfDespite the fact that I am in no way using cygwin, or any other Windows thing.13:20
homeasvsif anyone is a maemo admin or knows one, please, take a look at the fremantle devel build queue13:20
* infobot executes killall -KILL imagemagick for not understanding autotools and libtool13:20
derfhomeasvs: It's building my package finally!13:20
derfDon't make them kill it now.13:20
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derf17 minutes to build something that takes a few seconds on my 3 year old laptop.13:20
woglindederf more context13:20
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homeasvsderf, which is yours, and how do you know it's building ?13:21
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zaheermhomeasvs, i think something has cleared up it's building more packages now13:21
zemmhow can it even be that the /opt is left as it is after flashing, isn't there essential files in rootfs for every optified application (desktop files, icons etc) so those won't work anyway, and what about package management data (wiped in flashing?), would those applications partially in the system appear not installed anyway?13:21
woglindederf show me the code13:22
VDVsxderf, you know the 770 is a bit slower than your laptop ;)13:23
timeless_mbpzemm: i'm pretty sure no one thought about the consequences of /opt installed stuff for flashing13:23
zemmin "clean" (flashed) system, should there be something in /opt or would it be just rm -r /opt/* like you said13:23
homeasvshm, but still no update on my erlang build13:23
derfwoglinde: ./configure --host=c6x-linux --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu lead to build lines like13:24
derf/home/derf/bin/c64x-cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../include -I../include   -D_V_SELFTEST -O -I/opt/TI/C6000CGT6.1.12/include -c -o test_bitwise-bitwise.obj `cygpath -w bitwise.c`13:24
timeless_mbpafaik /opt should be empty13:24
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timeless_mbpbut you'd need rm -rf /opt/.* /opt/*13:24
homeasvsX-Fade, ping13:24
derfwoglinde: Code is at;a=summary13:24
timeless_mbp(probably better to do:13:24
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timeless_mbpmv /home/opt /home/opt.dying13:24
timeless_mbpmkdir /home/opt13:24
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timeless_mbprm -rf /home/opt.dying &13:25
zaheermderf, cool you building the theora dsp packages?13:25
derfzaheerm: I'm building broken ones.13:25
derfThey build, but they don't work.13:25
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lardman|homedid you see my messages?13:25
derfhomeasvs: I'm finally getting output under
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RST38hhey, lardman, wanna chat about those subtitles some more?13:25
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lardman|homeRST38h: subtitles, as in the brainstorm/bug thing?13:26
homeasvsderf, ah, ok, so that's what it should look like if it passed one builder :)13:26
lardman|homeRST38h: if it's quick, have work to do really13:26
homeasvsguess I'll be waiting some more13:26
derfhomeasvs: Yeah, note the timestamps... 17 minutes just for ARM.13:26
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derfMaybe x86 will be faster?13:26
derfI don't know. I didn't even bother to test it on x86.13:26
derfBut the old version used to work there.13:27
lardman|homeanyone know about brainstorm btw, do I need to promote my "ideas"?13:27
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zaheermderf, why broken ones? :)13:27
derfzaheerm: I wish I knew!13:27
timeless_mbplardman|home: join other channel13:27
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timeless_mbpzaheerm: there's no fun in building working ones13:28
timeless_mbpnothing to do ! :)13:28
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lardman|hometimeless_mbp: what was the chan name?13:28
myrttihm, what was my quit message?13:28
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RST38hlardman: I have checked gst-plugins-base in Maemo5 and upstream13:28
RST38hlardman: The upstream HAS a plugin to show subtitles and also the plugins to parse them from .sub/.srt13:28
StskeepsMyrtti: remote closed the connection13:28
derfBut after 8+ hours fighting with autotools, I'm starting to care a lot less.13:29
Myrttiirssi crashed13:29
sejojohnx: that is a big advancement!13:29
RST38hlardman: The Maemo5 package does not have them, even at the source level in the git13:29
lardman|homeRST38h: what's the name of the overall wrapper?13:29
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RST38hlardman: showsubtitles.[ch]13:29
lardman|homeRST38h: well I compiled and installed subparse, but no joy13:29
RST38hlardman: It is just TWO files13:29
timeless_mbpMyrtti: nice13:29
RST38hlardman: Which are parts of the base gst distro13:29
derfI think autotools and libtool have done more to set back the progress of open source software than anything Microsoft or any other evil corporate empire could ever have devised.13:29
RST38hlardman: subparse alone will not work unless you have these13:29
lardman|homeoh ok13:30
zaheermRST38h, yes but the media player has to set properties on the playbin2 element to display them13:30
lardman|homederf: +1013:30
RST38hzaheerm: this may be in a config file somewhere, I would talk to ab (aka abbra) about it13:30
lardman|homezaheerm: the gst page reckons it should just work with playbin13:30
RST38hhe knows where to look13:30
RST38hlardman: You have time to wait until I find the relevant URLs again?13:31
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zaheermlardman,   suburi              : Optional URI of a subtitle13:31
zaheerm                        flags: readable, writable13:31
zaheerm                        String. Default: null Current: null13:31
zaheermlardman, for external subtitles....13:31
zaheermso it needs to be set13:32
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lardman|homethat's a playbin property?13:32
zaheermplaybin2 property13:32
lardman|homeCould you add that to this?:
lardman|homeor we can re-open the bug13:33
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lardman|homeas I hate brainstorm13:33
RST38hlardman: #1: search for subtitleoverlay here:
timeless_mbplardman|home: heh13:33
zaheermlardman|home, yah better in a bug i think...13:34
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woglindederf bahahahahaa look .msi its really evil13:34
lardman|homezaheerm: Quim wanted it moved to brainstorm....13:34
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zaheermlardman|home, well that brainstorm is very vague13:34
lardman|homevery rubbish imo13:35
timeless_mbproughly speaking, the internal bugzilla doesn't handle enhancements13:35
RST38hlardman: #2: source code in HEAD:
timeless_mbphistorically anyway13:35
lardman|hometimeless_mbp: ah13:35
timeless_mbpand to the extent that our goal is to entice engineers (and managers) into the public one13:35
derfwoglinde: Yes, but I don't have to use it.13:35
timeless_mbpwe need to make them feel at home13:35
lardman|homezaheerm, RST38h, hang on a tick, let me find you the bug number13:35
RST38hlardman: #3: Maemo sources of gst:
timeless_mbpthey like tracking "bugs"13:35
woglindederf do you have a svn/git somewhere?13:35
RST38hlardman: this is it13:35
timeless_mbpand get very confused by "features"13:35
woglindejo lardman13:35
derfI just gave you a pointer to the git repository?13:36
timeless_mbpnote: i think the fact that our managers can't handle this is a bug in our managers13:36
timeless_mbpbut it's hard to fix them13:36
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SpeedEviltimeless: file a bug13:36
zemmi added .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/hildon , is there some command that reloads those?13:37
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: i'm still trying to get nokia to spell the capital of mexico correctly13:37
timeless_mbpi can't find the right bug tracker13:37
timeless_mbpzemm: you looked in more... ?13:37
woglindederf uh so you are the ogg dsp devloper13:37
SpeedEviltimeless: That's silly. 'M'.13:37
lardman|home~lart bugzilla for not showning closed bugs under "My Bugs"13:37
* infobot gives bugzilla a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" for not showning closed bugs under "My Bugs"13:37
derfwoglinde: I am not, actually, but I will ultimately be maintaining the code.13:37
timeless_mbplardman|home: um13:37
RST38hlardman: got all three urls?13:37
lardman|homebug 646413:38
povbot`Bug Support Subtitles in Media Player13:38
woglindederf hm ah its libogg forked13:38
timeless=> lardman13:38
lardman|homeRST38h: yes, but not going to have any chance to look at it for a couple of weeks13:38
plr_nice url13:38
timelessdid i screw that up?13:38
timelessi did, sorry, hold13:38
lardman|homeRST38h: Xisdibik was the man who was really after support13:38
plr_maybe tinyurl it?13:38
RST38hlardman: I know you can handle this stuff, not sure about Xisdibik13:39
timelessno, no no13:39
lardman|homeQuim's comment was:13:39
lardman|homeThe scope of are bugs and only very specific and no-brainer13:39
lardman|homeenhancement requests. This report contains a feature request that is too13:39
lardman|homegeneric for Please post this problem and propose your13:39
lardman|homesolution in Maemo Brainstorm instead:13:39
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derfwoglinde: Right. I am unforking as much as possible.13:39
zaheermlardman|home, i added a comment to the brainstorm13:39
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homeasvsdoes ovi maps seriously have no way to create bookmarks or waypoints ?13:39
timelessdoes our bugzilla not do pronouns?13:39
lardman|homezaheerm: thanks13:40
timelesshomeasvs: correct13:40
timelesswhy would you want those?13:40
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lardman|homeanyone know if I need to promote a brainstorm idea or something?13:40
timelessit's not like it supports navigation either13:40
derfhomeasvs: Ovi maps is a joke. You should just pretend it doesn't exist.13:40
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RST38hbrainstorm ideas are kinda pointless :(13:40
rangelardman|home: To get it out of waiting? I'd also like to know that.13:40
homeasvsI know it's a joke, but I can't even imaging nokia releasing it without some basic features13:40
RST38hpromote, no promote, it does not matter13:40
derfhomeasvs: But that's the funny part!13:40
lardman|homeRST38h: no-one can see it otherwise though13:41
lardman|homewhich means I've wasted time13:41
sejo <-- so it should work?13:41
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rangesejo: Well, there is PIM support in 5. Not that you could sync it with anything else than Windows, but it is there.13:43
derfIs there any way to tell the autobuilder _not_ to build x86 packages?13:43
X-Fadederf: Sure, just specify armel only at the arch.13:43
woglindedef hm per arch13:44
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woglindex-fade *g*13:44
sejorange: ok13:44
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X-FadeArgh, why does freenode op me all the time ;)13:44
sejoX-Fade: because fou set autoop13:44
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derfAh, in place of "any"?13:44
infobotsejo meant: X-Fade: because you set autoop13:44
derfI mean, it _should_ work. But it fails, and the error message is completely useless.13:45
X-Fadesejo: Nah, I didn't but I guess that is a side effect of me becoming founder.13:45
timeless_mbpok, i give up13:45
derf/scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/bin/sbox-i486-pc-linux-gnu-strip: Unable to recognise the format of the input file `debian/gjiten-dics/usr/bin/gjiten_setdic'13:45
lardman|homeX-Fade: it's because it missed you13:45
sejoX-Fade: that can be also remove the O mode13:45
hrwtimeless_mbp: on what?13:45
derfThat's the only reference to setdic at all... I'm not sure it even re-built it after the ARM compile.13:46
timeless_mbpwriting the bugzilla query i wanted to give out13:46
timeless_mbplardman|home: roughly, you can save any query you like13:46
timeless_mbpi'd recommend saving one that makes sense13:46
* lcuk cheers for the safe return of X-Fade :D13:46
* timeless_mbp hates high latency to Jaffa 13:46
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abzaheerm, RST38h:
xorAxAxhrw: doesnt sound too good13:49
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abzaheerm, I guess you could ask Juan to include suburi configuration in his equalizer fork so that both can be combined13:50
hrwxorAxAx: thats how they work ;(13:52
JaffaX-Fade: how's the catchup going? Lots of packages changes to enact :/13:52
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zaheermab, line 1757 - 1762 of that file is used in n900?13:53
abzaheerm, it is fork of what is used.13:53
hrwquestion about I have: how often code from there is built/packaged? or users are expected to track changes, do builds and upgrade own devices?13:53
zaheermab, ah wait that is only for plkaybin113:53
VDVsxhey X-Fade, we need to discuss some stuff about the q&a improvements, when you have some time please poke me :)13:53
X-FadeJaffa: Catching up goes.. well... what should I say ;)13:54
abzaheerm, it tries to instantiate playbin2 and falls back to playbin if that has failed13:54
X-FadeVDVsx: Sure, any discussions I need to look at?13:55
abhrw, when appropriate projects consider code quality. For many projects m.g.o is the primary place where development happens. Our build system is capable to build straight from m.g.o13:55
VDVsxX-Fade, yes, 1 sec13:55
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hrwab: and those projects will do releases of packages independent from firmware releases?13:56
abhrw, currently not. I hope this will change with Harmattan.13:56
hrwab: so m.g.o exists but users have to wait for official firmware releases (which dates are never known) or do builds on their own?13:57
abhrw, it is more on higher level how product is gathered together and deployed. We supply code :)13:57
abhrw, I do not see it different to any other distributions.13:58
hrwab: I use debian 'sid' and got used to get new version of XYC when XYC project released new version13:58
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abhrw, in case of debian you depend on Debian's machinery and integration system. I.e. package maintainers upload packages to build servers and then they are pushed to repositories. It is same here, with a difference that the people and scripts who are "pushing to the repositories" different from maintainers and have their own schedule.14:00
zaheermab, MAFW_GST_RENDERER_DISABLE_PULSE_VOLUME is defined or not defined in fremantle?14:00
abzaheerm, I'm not a developer for MAFW, so can't say for sure.14:01
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thpdoes anyone know how to charge a BL-5J (N900 battery) in a N810?14:01
zaheermab, if it is not defined, it sets flags such that text is disabled...14:01
Jaffathp: small wires and cable clips?14:01
Jaffathp: carefully?14:01
zaheermab, who is relevant to ask?14:01
abzaheerm, I think if you want to add subtitles, you anyway would need to modify the code along lines I've shown. So it makes sense to combine your effort with what Juan is doing.14:02
MyrttiJaffa: reminds me of the old joke "how do hedgehogs have sex"14:02
VDVsxX-Fade, and
SpeedEvilthp: connect the + and - terminals to a laboratory power supply set at 4.20V, and a current limit of 0.8A. Leave for a couple of hours. Verify the voltage limit is in fact 4.2V and stable before connecting battery. Once current falls to under 0.08A, terminate charge.14:02
VDVsxX-Fade, but there more things to discuss14:02
JaffaMyrtti: :)14:02
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SpeedEvilMyrtti: Red wine, soft candlelight, ...14:02
zaheermab, is juan on irc?14:03
RST38hab: Got a question14:03
abzaheerm, I don't even know him directly. :)14:03
JaffaSomeone should develop a GPS overlay on map app for two people to rendezvous with14:03
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X-FadeVDVsx: Ok, I'll try to see if we can discuss this somewhere later in the week.14:03
abzaheerm, his contact info is in the file14:03
* SpeedEvil wonders if tangoGPS would do that14:03
SpeedEvilI know it had that feature at one point14:03
JaffaSo I could see how far away timeless was and if he was going in right direction14:04
RST38hab: Looks like gst-plugins-base HEAD has got the subtitle renderer and the srt/sub file parsers14:04
RST38hab: The renderer itself is just two files (c/h) by the way14:04
zaheermab, thx14:04
abRST38h, see above14:04
lardman|homeJaffa: I have a plugin for emerillon to do that14:04
RST38hab: Maemo5 version of gst-plugins-base does not have these14:04
lardman|homeJaffa: but we lack location data14:04
xorAxAxdoes the n900 support syncml over http out of the box=?14:04
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zaheermab, thx i got it14:04
RST38hab: Is it possible to compile these files into a gst plugin and somehow configure maemo5 to use it?14:04
JaffaSpeedEvil: Isn't it sort-of what Google Lattitude is about? But more ad-hoc14:04
abRST38h, see above, I had some suggestion to Zaheer14:05
SpeedEvilJaffa: I dunno - never investigated14:05
thpSpeedEvil: wouldn't the N810 charging circuit take care of not overcharging the battery?14:05
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