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| SpeedEvil | el_zilcho: so you - for example rely on connecting to existing original daemons and drivers, not duplicating them. | 00:00 |
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| el_zilcho | oh ok, ty that clarifies it | 00:00 |
| el_zilcho | i'll probably give it a try at some point | 00:00 |
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| Mysterious | is there a vnc server that definately works with windows and vncviewer | 00:02 |
| Mysterious | ? | 00:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Mysterious: there is one in extras-testing. | 00:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I have not tested it | 00:02 |
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| Mysterious | i meant windows-side server | 00:02 |
| mikkov | ultravnc | 00:03 |
| Mysterious | ehm | 00:03 |
| Mysterious | not for me^^ | 00:03 |
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| el_zilcho | and you've verified that it all works properly from a client that's not your phone? | 00:04 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: do you use a graphical IRC client on OSX? | 00:05 |
| Dantonic | hey all! just got my N900!! :) | 00:05 |
| crashanddie | Dantonic: 'grats! | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | colloquy | 00:05 |
| el_zilcho | congrats :) | 00:05 |
| javispedro | congratu...die! die! die! | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | Dantonic: are you using enus or engb? | 00:05 |
| Dantonic | YAY!!! | 00:05 |
| Dantonic | us | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | if so, i have a package you could play w/ | 00:05 |
| fnordianslip | crashanddie: colloquy here too | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | hold on a minute | 00:05 |
| Dantonic | hey question... what's the password for sudo? | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | ... | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | your user passwrod | 00:05 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 00:05 |
| Dantonic | why is it asking me for it? | 00:05 |
| Dantonic | I just turned it on... I didn't create one | 00:05 |
| crashanddie | fnordianslip & timeless_mbp: but colloquy looks like crap | 00:06 |
| Mysterious | well | 00:06 |
| Mysterious | the program connected to my server | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: it has themes | 00:06 |
| crashanddie | fnordianslip & timeless_mbp: I just want a irc client that works well, and won't try to do 50k things at the same time | 00:06 |
| fnordianslip | it works nicely and is themable | 00:06 |
| fnordianslip | try it | 00:06 |
| Dantonic | oh I gotta get rootsh? | 00:06 |
| el_zilcho | Dantonic: when i attempted to set/change user's password i was denied :) i set a root password, but the "root" command doesn't ask for it | 00:06 |
| crashanddie | fnordianslip: ok, I'll give it a shot | 00:07 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: i also use epic/ircii or something in screen | 00:07 |
| el_zilcho | yz | 00:07 |
| jebbajeb | Dantonic, ya you need rootsh from extras repo which you need to enable in the package manage ("catalogs") | 00:07 |
| Mysterious | In VNCViewer the mouse-cursor appears but then the connection suddenly closes | 00:08 |
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| fnordianslip | any idea how to solve locale issues with ssh on m5? | 00:08 |
| Dantonic | shoot ok... well before I do that is there another way to check my Mac address? I was just trying to run sudo ifconfig to find it out... | 00:09 |
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| Dantonic | I need it to grant access to my wifi | 00:09 |
| Mysterious | el_zilcho: any ideas? | 00:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | Dantonic: i rely on logs from the server :) | 00:10 |
| timeless_mbp | it's easier to copy/paste them anyway :) | 00:10 |
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| el_zilcho | Mysterious: i'm not sure | 00:10 |
| Dantonic | logs from the server? | 00:10 |
| timeless_mbp | your server will reject the accesses it doesn't like :) | 00:10 |
| Mysterious | mom | 00:10 |
| AakashPatel | hey | 00:11 |
| AakashPatel | are we allowed to release closed source apps? | 00:11 |
| Dantonic | timeless_mbp, you mean my router? not sure what you're talking about | 00:11 |
| AakashPatel | in the repo's? | 00:11 |
| timeless_mbp | AakashPatel: somehow, yes | 00:11 |
| timeless_mbp | Dantonic: you want to find your mac address, no? | 00:11 |
| Mysterious | 3/12/2009 21:49 Invalid attempt from client 93.33.245.104 | 00:11 |
| Mysterious | 3/12/2009 21:49 Invalid attempt from client 93.33.245.104 | 00:11 |
| Mysterious | 3/12/2009 21:49 Invalid attempt from client 93.33.245.104 | 00:11 |
| Mysterious | 3/12/2009 21:49 Invalid attempt from client 93.33.245.104 | 00:11 |
| Mysterious | 3/12/2009 21:49 Invalid attempt from client 93.33.245.104 | 00:11 |
| Mysterious | 3/12/2009 22:05 Invalid attempt from client 78.54.64.156 | 00:11 |
| AakashPatel | somehow? | 00:11 |
| Mysterious | 3/12/2009 22:06 Invalid attempt from client 78.54.64.156 | 00:11 |
| Mysterious | 3/12/2009 22:58 Invalid attempt from client 78.54.64.156 | 00:11 |
| fnordianslip | Dantonic: don't need sudo for ifconfig, just: /sbin/ifconfig | 00:11 |
| timeless_mbp | shouldn't your server be nice and log it? :) | 00:11 |
| Mysterious | mslogon.log | 00:11 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 00:11 |
| luke-jr | what happens if you hit that 5 GB cap because of crackers trying to bruteforce your sshd? ;) | 00:12 |
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| javispedro | ah.. | 00:12 |
| javispedro | someone now posted info on how to use openssh daemon and a sftp windows client | 00:12 |
| javispedro | on a fansite | 00:12 |
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| fnordianslip | luke-jr: run it on an obscure port | 00:13 |
| javispedro | so expect thousands of widely opened ssh daemons | 00:13 |
| el_zilcho | lol | 00:13 |
| el_zilcho | yeah, i need to make another user account and disable root login | 00:13 |
| javispedro | your device will spend most of the time not behind a firewall... just used private key authentication | 00:14 |
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| GAN900 | Boarded, fingers crossed that there's still a guide at the hotel to help my incompetent ass get to citilab. ;) | 00:16 |
| javispedro | well | 00:16 |
| javispedro | i'm sure you'll find someone :) | 00:16 |
| Dantonic | all right.. thanks I got the mac address and have internet :P | 00:17 |
| el_zilcho | nice | 00:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok people w/ n900s | 00:19 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm looking for testers for enus or the clock map fix | 00:20 |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, hit me with the link again when I'm in BCN. | 00:20 |
| GAN900 | I can do some conscription there. | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: have a good trip | 00:20 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: um, can i hit you by email? | 00:21 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, hope I can manage to sleep. ;) | 00:21 |
| timeless_mbp | because i don't really exist on friday/saturday | 00:21 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, perfect. | 00:21 |
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| * GAN900 goes offline. | 00:23 | |
| javispedro | see you! | 00:23 |
| javispedro | and sleep well hehe | 00:24 |
| timeless_mbp | have a safe journey | 00:24 |
| xorAxAx | does the n900 have 256 MB or 1024 MB RAM? | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | 256mb | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | and 768mb swap | 00:24 |
| xorAxAx | because various internet sources claim 1 GB | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | ram is really an ambigious term these days | 00:25 |
| xorAxAx | i.e. swap is preconfigured unlike with the n810? | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | RAM is not ambiguous | 00:25 |
| Mysterious | It is | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | swap is memory, but not RAM | 00:25 |
| tigert | LEBL | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | advertising 1 GB RAM is nothing but false advertising | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | even advertising 1 GB memory is borderline | 00:26 |
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| luke-jr | especially considering that it will crash before you get anywhere near that if it's anything like N810 | 00:26 |
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| jebbajeb | how with apt/dpkg can you tell which repo a package is from? | 00:28 |
| Corsac | apt-cache madison might help you | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | apt-cache policy | 00:29 |
| Xisdibik | heya timeless_mbp | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: new map up | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | plus package to play w/ | 00:29 |
| Xisdibik | yea, im going to check it out once im home :D | 00:29 |
| Mysterious | vnc works^^ | 00:29 |
| Mysterious | huh strange errors | 00:29 |
| Mysterious | good bye guys | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure i've updated all the different files | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | the one we're mostly using for testing at this point is gmap.html | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | because we're doing lat/long verification | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | trying to avoid a international crisis? | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: well um.. | 00:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | did you see analysis? | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 00:31 |
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| asidjazz | GAN900: awesome | 00:37 |
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| w00t | does someone mind telling me whether I'm insane and checking if they can find an account-plugin-haze package anywhere? | 00:53 |
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| Xisdibik | Anyone here have trouble with the GPS on the n900 get it fixed? | 00:53 |
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| Xisdibik | w00t: its in devel | 00:53 |
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| w00t | Xisdibik: I thought that, yet I've added devel, and I still can't find it | 00:54 |
| Xisdibik | strange, i got mine from devel | 00:54 |
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| w00t | my GPS seems to sort of work for what it's worth, though so far it's only getting a coarse fix, which is about 2-3 streets off | 00:54 |
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| w00t | gah | 00:54 |
| w00t | my bad | 00:54 |
| Xisdibik | well, my GPS wether outside, inside with network positioning on or off, says "searching" and has a flashing satellite icon on the taskbar | 00:54 |
| w00t | -devel was disabled | 00:55 |
| * w00t kicks it | 00:55 | |
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| w00t | hmm | 00:55 |
| w00t | not good :\ | 00:55 |
| Xisdibik | yea | 00:55 |
| el_zilcho | mine showed me being probably a mile from where i'm at... but i think the network data was throwing it off | 00:56 |
| Xisdibik | apparently other ppl have had issues with the GPS, but im wondering how to fix it, or do i need to send it back or something :/ | 00:56 |
| el_zilcho | but it works fine now | 00:56 |
| fnordianslippers | maps has stopped working over my vodaphone uk data sim but works ok over wifi | 00:56 |
| el_zilcho | its got me more or less pinpointed | 00:56 |
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| Xisdibik | el_zilcho: was there any update that helped fix yours? | 00:57 |
| el_zilcho | well, i'm not positive on what was causing it to be off.... mine gets a fix, doesn't sound like yours does | 00:58 |
| Xisdibik | well | 00:58 |
| el_zilcho | i assume the network option for location is using a-gps and tower data, and i'm in kind of a dead zone | 00:58 |
| el_zilcho | so i think that's why mine was off | 00:59 |
| el_zilcho | i think i'm only barely visible to one tower | 00:59 |
| Xisdibik | for the weather thing it says Valencia (GPS), which is a bit off from where i am. im just wondering why location always says "searching" | 00:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | I found turning off network assist made it work for me | 00:59 |
| el_zilcho | yeah, i turned that off too | 00:59 |
| Xisdibik | ill try that once im out of class | 00:59 |
| el_zilcho | i also put it on the window sill | 00:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | also screwing up the time (as in not setting it) broke it | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | el_zilcho: some windows are quite good GPS shields | 01:00 |
| luigi | hi all | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | el_zilcho: especially energy efficient ones. | 01:00 |
| Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: do you mean setting it to manual, vs having it find out the time for you? | 01:00 |
| el_zilcho | i'll keep that in mind | 01:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Xisdibik: I mean it never got a fix when the date was set to 1/1/2009 - or whatever it came with | 01:00 |
| Mousey | ddate "+%." | 01:00 |
| Mousey | oops | 01:00 |
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| luigi | is there the possibility to store some settings (like aliases, prompt, etc) of Maemo busybox ? | 01:01 |
| el_zilcho | dunno about busybox, i installed bash... then edited ~/.bashrc | 01:01 |
| Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: ah, ive set that stuff up correctly afaik | 01:02 |
| luigi | el_zilcho : yes I know that in bash the settings are stored in ".bashrc", but under busybox? | 01:02 |
| kalikiana | luigi, try creating a .profile file instead | 01:03 |
| kalikiana | that should work | 01:03 |
| luigi | mhh..ok, I'll try it | 01:04 |
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| luigi | thx | 01:04 |
| timeless_mbp | ok guys | 01:05 |
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| Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: curious but, when i turn off Network Positioning, there is no more satellite icon, and if i tap the taskbar, theres no thing saying "location" anymore, is that normal? | 01:05 |
| timeless_mbp | we're done. but it'd be great if people could test the clock-map update | 01:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Xisdibik: it may take more time to lock in that state | 01:06 |
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| * zerojay does CPR on his N900 to no avail. | 01:07 | |
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| Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: So once it igets a fix (when im outside), it should show the satellite icon again, or location when i tap the taskbar, or will it get a fix, but just not show either of those things? | 01:08 |
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| * el_zilcho gets out the defibrillator | 01:08 | |
| el_zilcho | CLEAR! | 01:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I just saw the icon when maps or photo was open | 01:09 |
| zerojay | It's dead, man. | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | (sat icon) | 01:09 |
| zerojay | It's dead and it ain't comin' back. | 01:09 |
| el_zilcho | but it was like a brother :( | 01:09 |
| zerojay | At least not without a new micro USB port. | 01:09 |
| el_zilcho | ahh | 01:09 |
| Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: ah ok, well i have it set to supposedly show my location in my status, which i dont think its been doing, though i dont really know how taht feature is supposed to work or what it actualy works with | 01:09 |
| kynky | zerojay, what did you do ? | 01:10 |
| w00t | zerojay: the correct quote is "It's dead, Jim" | 01:10 |
| el_zilcho | even better | 01:12 |
| javispedro | zerojay: so, is it really even more weak than the n810's power connector? | 01:12 |
| luigi | kalikiana : THANKS! It works | 01:14 |
| kynky | bit of a hassle but you can buy bl-5j chargers for £2.50 inc shipping | 01:15 |
| luigi | it's not possible to install "nano" with maemo under busybox, right? | 01:15 |
| luke-jr | why not? | 01:16 |
| luigi | which repository can I use? | 01:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah - enabling network - I get a lock inside | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | cool | 01:16 |
| luigi | I have a N900 with Maemo 5 | 01:16 |
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| andre__ | why "under busybox"? | 01:17 |
| kynky | busybox is default | 01:17 |
| luigi | the XTerminal of the N900 uses busybox | 01:18 |
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| el_zilcho | i don't think the shell matters | 01:18 |
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| el_zilcho | but i could be wrong | 01:19 |
| andre__ | busybox provides some core functionality in the shell. for nano, i think it does not matter if it's busybox or not :) | 01:19 |
| el_zilcho | there are a few things i didn't see int he repos i'm going to try to install from source | 01:19 |
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| kynky | so what you could do with is a nano.install ? | 01:19 |
| luigi | I'll try to compile nano sources | 01:19 |
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| lardman|home | is it possible to start an osso app from the command line? | 01:20 |
| kynky | and optify, every byte counts :) | 01:20 |
| achipa_irssi | is there something going on the autobuilders today ? This is getting unbearable... | 01:20 |
| lardman|home | achipa_irssi: x86 not working? | 01:20 |
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| achipa_irssi | lardman|home: working, but slow. As in 10+ hours per build slow. | 01:21 |
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| lardman|home | saw that for Fremantle, then an error on the x86 build that didn't seem to be caused by anything | 01:22 |
| crashanddie | timeless: is there an equivalent to "free" in osx? | 01:22 |
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| fnordianslippers | nano is in the tools repo | 01:22 |
| jebbajeb | kalikiana: you get a chance to confirm (fix? if i may dare ask) the midori not-purging-cache issue? | 01:22 |
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| jebbajeb | crashanddie: uh, top ? | 01:23 |
| jebbajeb | not quite equivalent, but you can get the same info. Is true in all the *bsds | 01:23 |
| crashanddie | jebbajeb: doesn't give me the cached information | 01:23 |
| achipa_irssi | whoops | 01:24 |
| achipa_irssi | /scratchbox/tools/bin/fakeroot: line 187: 27948 Segmentation fault (core dumped) FAKEROOTKEY=$FAKEROOTKEY LD_PRELOAD="$LD_PRELOAD" SBOX_PRELOAD="${HOST_PRELOAD},${TARGET_PRELOAD}" "$@" | 01:24 |
| achipa_irssi | this can't be good | 01:24 |
| el_zilcho | fnordianslippers: excellent ty | 01:25 |
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| fnordianslippers | np | 01:26 |
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| kalikiana | jebbajeb, it is fixed in the updated version. there is "web cache" in "Delete private data" now :-) | 01:27 |
| kalikiana | if you update it, you should see the option | 01:28 |
| jebbajeb | kalikiana: are you packaging midori or are you midori developer too (e.g. midori upstream). Thx btw. | 01:29 |
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| kalikiana | jebbajeb, yep. I fixed it in git and then made a new snapshot for maemo. | 01:31 |
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| kalikiana | ie. I'm both | 01:31 |
| apol | how do I install Xephyr into the scratchbox? | 01:31 |
| derf | You don't. | 01:31 |
| apol | oh | 01:32 |
| derf | Xephyr should be installed on the host. | 01:32 |
| apol | ok | 01:32 |
| el_zilcho | fnordianslippers: "tools" repo is extras-devel? | 01:32 |
| apol | makes sense :P | 01:32 |
| fnordianslippers | el_zicho nope. hang on | 01:33 |
| jebbajeb | el_zilcho: fnordianslippers deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free | 01:34 |
| el_zilcho | ty | 01:34 |
| luigi | is there a just ready text editor to use with shell (not vi) ? | 01:35 |
| fnordianslippers | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 01:35 |
| kalikiana | luigi, vim and emacs are in extras | 01:36 |
| apol | af-sb-init.sh start << how do I run that? | 01:36 |
| apol | i don't have it in my path :S | 01:36 |
| jebbajeb | /etc/init.d/af-sb-init.sh start | 01:37 |
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| jebbajeb | oh wait, i don't see it there. wtf. where is it? | 01:37 |
| apol | i get a su command not found -.- | 01:38 |
| jebbajeb | perhaps run it like ./af-sb-init.sh | 01:38 |
| jebbajeb | you should get "su: must be suid to work properly" ... apol, where you running this, on the n900? | 01:38 |
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| apol | jebbajeb: scratchbox | 01:39 |
| jebbajeb | ah | 01:39 |
| jebbajeb | sry, not sure | 01:39 |
| luigi | kalikiana : I'm not able to find emacs under "extras" (only vim, but it's very ugly to use) | 01:39 |
| zerojay | w00t: I know what the correct quote is, thanks. | 01:40 |
| el_zilcho | luigi: they said its under the tools repository | 01:40 |
| el_zilcho | up a few lines jebba gave this line for apt sources | 01:40 |
| el_zilcho | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free | 01:40 |
| mikkov__ | extra spoon of whipped cream to Vitaly Repin for fixing bug #6451 | 01:41 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6451 Unable to change file extension in File Manager | 01:41 |
| el_zilcho | would go in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 01:41 |
| kalikiana | luigi, could be they are only in testing, which I have enabled | 01:41 |
| mikkov__ | actually bug #6541 | 01:41 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6541 Polish Subject line violates RFC ("Odp." prefix) | 01:41 |
| kalikiana | qemacs and qemacs-nox are in there | 01:41 |
| Venomrush | "Use Nokia Maps without data connection: Just like Nokia Maps for S60 devices you can load up maps into memory and use Nokia Maps and your GPS without a data connection when traveling." | 01:41 |
| Venomrush | how exactly does this work | 01:42 |
| mikkov__ | It doesn't | 01:42 |
| Venomrush | is the Maps on maemo = S60? | 01:42 |
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| mikkov__ | Maps on Maemo is different than on S60 | 01:42 |
| w00t | zerojay: no problem | 01:43 |
| Venomrush | mikkov__: how do i use it without data connection? | 01:43 |
| kynky | ovi maps 1.0 on n900 , ovi maps 3.0 on s60, world of difference between the two | 01:43 |
| w00t | it's not possible, yet | 01:43 |
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| mikkov__ | Venomrush: it's useless without data connection as long as GPS doesn't work without data | 01:43 |
| w00t | umm | 01:44 |
| kalikiana | Hrm... Kandis' sound suggests some kind of fatal error took place. Not nice | 01:44 |
| w00t | my GPS got a fix two streets away within a minute without data | 01:44 |
| kalikiana | Definitely I need a different sound | 01:44 |
| kynky | you can get it to cache all data on pre routed jorney afaik, if you go off route then you need data connection, but think data connection helps for gps lock | 01:44 |
| kalikiana | Only problem: no option :'-( | 01:45 |
| naxxatoe | does anyone know if there is a working port of ruby running on maemo5 on the n900 device already | 01:45 |
| naxxatoe | ? | 01:45 |
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| kynky | there is a company bringing out satnav with turn by turn and voice by end of year for n900 | 01:45 |
| Venomrush | yeah | 01:45 |
| kynky | naxxatoe, seen ruby and irb on a maemo rep | 01:45 |
| Venomrush | synic or something | 01:45 |
| kalikiana | naxxatoe, existing, yes. working? no idea | 01:45 |
| kynky | Venomrush, yeah :) | 01:46 |
| naxxatoe | w00t: your gps got a fix without data? mine didnt work at all without data (wich is pretty lame until i get data connections enabled on my phone account ;) | 01:46 |
| mikkov__ | You can't search on Maps without data connection | 01:46 |
| naxxatoe | because you dont always have open wifi | 01:46 |
| w00t | naxxatoe: yes | 01:46 |
| naxxatoe | just to get your images tagged correctly | 01:46 |
| Venomrush | n900 should store location of sattelites when it uses data connection | 01:46 |
| naxxatoe | when taking pics | 01:46 |
| w00t | I don't have data enabled at present | 01:46 |
| Venomrush | instead of refreshing everytime | 01:46 |
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| Venomrush | leading to no gps when no data connection is available | 01:46 |
| naxxatoe | i dont like this "should do" thing, expierience shows that it doesnt | 01:46 |
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| tigert | Venomrush: that assumes you dont move while gps is off | 01:47 |
| w00t | I think the "should do" was really an implication of what it ..should do.. not what it does | 01:47 |
| tigert | Venomrush: like when flying this would not help | 01:47 |
| Venomrush | iok then i'll change it to a must | 01:47 |
| naxxatoe | ;) | 01:48 |
| Venomrush | tigert: option to refresh sattelites location, easy workaround there | 01:48 |
| tigert | thats what the agps is for | 01:48 |
| tigert | sure it needs connection | 01:48 |
| Venomrush | sattelites arent changing theirs positions that much anyway | 01:48 |
| Venomrush | once a week update is good enough | 01:48 |
| naxxatoe | well, the best thing would be to build a small app to fetch maps for the countries you select initially | 01:48 |
| tigert | but the whole device exists to have a connection to the net.. | 01:49 |
| lardman|home | what does this mean? *(int*)"Y800" | 01:49 |
| lardman|home | the value at that location? | 01:49 |
| lardman|home | e.g. as a long? | 01:49 |
| naxxatoe | and then you only need to update satilite locs once in while | 01:49 |
| lardman|home | int rather | 01:49 |
| Venomrush | agps = pull current sattelites position = n900 knows where to look = faster fix | 01:49 |
| Venomrush | the problem is | 01:49 |
| Venomrush | n900 isn't saving the info | 01:50 |
| naxxatoe | rue | 01:50 |
| naxxatoe | true* | 01:50 |
| naxxatoe | but that should be fixable | 01:50 |
| Venomrush | rather refreshing them everytime - i think this is to give an impression that it gets faster fix | 01:50 |
| naxxatoe | in terms of there is a fix for the agps to fix faster XD and store locations | 01:50 |
| luigi | el_zilcho : emacs is not present in tools/free repository | 01:51 |
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| el_zilcho | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# apt-cache search emac | 01:52 |
| el_zilcho | qemacs - Small emacs clone editor with HTML and DocBook editing support | 01:52 |
| el_zilcho | i dunno if that works | 01:52 |
| el_zilcho | its all i'm seeing | 01:52 |
| el_zilcho | as well | 01:52 |
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| el_zilcho | but with that repo i just got another 10 tools or so i was missing... screen, wget, traceroute, strace, less, htop, etc. | 01:53 |
| el_zilcho | which makes me :) | 01:53 |
| divinegod | does anyone know how to get subversion and screen installed? | 01:53 |
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| luigi | el_zilcho : same device and same fw. "apt-cache search emac" produces no results | 01:54 |
| luigi | I think you have added some other repo | 01:55 |
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| el_zilcho | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 01:55 |
| el_zilcho | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps/ ./ | 01:55 |
| el_zilcho | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/002 ./ | 01:55 |
| el_zilcho | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free | 01:55 |
| el_zilcho | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/ fremantle free non-free | 01:55 |
| el_zilcho | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free | 01:55 |
| el_zilcho | divinegod: dunno about svn, but screen is in one of those last two lines of ^^ | 01:55 |
| divinegod | it's in the last then | 01:55 |
| jebbajeb | el_zilcho, luigi: you'll want to add those repo URLs via the maemo application manager. If you just add them to that text file, they will get blown out | 01:55 |
| divinegod | did try extras-testing | 01:55 |
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| el_zilcho | jebba: that's odd functionality :) does sources.list get blown away too? | 01:56 |
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| jebbajeb | el_zilcho: if it's named something else, I don't know. But I added them to hildon-application-manager.list, added some apps with apt, then later ran the maemo app manager and now they are gone. Plus they weren't listed when I hit "catalog" | 01:57 |
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| luigi | but is there a way to connect the host to the N900 console ? | 01:57 |
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| luigi | I mean in order to use it easily from the host keyboard | 01:58 |
| jebbajeb | luigi: you mean to ssh in? install openssh server/client package in extras | 01:58 |
| jebbajeb | or via VNC | 01:58 |
| luigi | ok, good idea! | 01:58 |
| Venomrush | just got the clearprotector screen protector | 01:59 |
| Venomrush | easy apply | 01:59 |
| Venomrush | fits perfectly | 01:59 |
| Venomrush | waiting for it to dry atm | 01:59 |
| Venomrush | so far it seems to help reducing glare | 01:59 |
| el_zilcho | jebba: oh, yeah, i only asked because there's the sources.list.d directory that has the hildon app's sources... but the regular /etc/apt/sources.list is actually an empty text file... i'll play around and see if it works there | 01:59 |
| luigi | jebbajeb : on the device I have to install the server, right? | 02:00 |
| el_zilcho | yes | 02:00 |
| Venomrush | so helps the finger movement on screen (without it, it was pretty sticky) | 02:00 |
| divinegod | el_zilcho: thanks | 02:00 |
| el_zilcho | np | 02:00 |
| luigi | but in repo it's present only the client | 02:02 |
| el_zilcho | apt-get install openssh doesn't give you client and server? | 02:02 |
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| jebbajeb | you want the "ssh" package which includes both openssh-client and openssh-server packages el_zilcho luigi | 02:07 |
| el_zilcho | i used the openssh package and have both | 02:07 |
| jebbajeb | luigi: this may be of some help: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#ssh_server_.26_keys | 02:07 |
| luigi | yeh I found and installed them | 02:08 |
| luigi | now I need help how to use them | 02:08 |
| jebbajeb | openssh-common - Common files fro ssh server and client | 02:08 |
| jebbajeb | openssh-client - Secure shell client, an rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement | 02:08 |
| jebbajeb | openssh-server - Secure shell server, an rshd replacement | 02:08 |
| jebbajeb | openssh - Secure shell client and server | 02:08 |
| jebbajeb | ssh - secure shell client and server (metapackage) | 02:08 |
| jebbajeb | "fro" | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | got http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba as a desktop bookmark on N900 :-))) | 02:09 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 02:09 |
| jebbajeb | :) | 02:09 |
| luigi | yup! :D Thx | 02:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jebbajeb: the dbus incantations are really great | 02:10 |
| jebbajeb | ya. I didnt brew any of them myself (yet), but just hunted thru wiki/talk. | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jebbajeb: any clue about device name of modem's AT interface? | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | like /dev*/tty* | 02:11 |
| jebbajeb | DocScrutinizer not yet no | 02:12 |
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| divinegod | Are there any other VCS available instead of subversion perhaps? I would be nice to be able to have a complete dev. env. on the device. | 02:12 |
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| user_ | w00t. irssi on the n900. | 02:13 |
| jebbajeb | DocScrutinizer interesting there is a /dev/ppp | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | config irssi, user_!! | 02:13 |
| user_ | extras-devel repo looking good! | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebbajeb: That's for sure the HSPA data link. No "ATfoo" there :-/ | 02:14 |
| jebbajeb | user_: just make sure you dont fill up your device or you brick it. | 02:14 |
| user_ | DocScrutinizer: late here. will copy config from lappie tomorrow. | 02:14 |
| jebbajeb | ah duh | 02:14 |
| user_ | jebbajeb: really? | 02:14 |
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| kynky | luigi, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 02:15 |
| user_ | anyway a more pressing q.. | 02:15 |
| user_ | is it possible to interface with /dev/video0 directly rather than via gst? | 02:16 |
| jebbajeb | user_: ya. i bricked mine. Well, just had to flash it, but a bit of a hassle of course | 02:16 |
| lardman|home | anyone happen to know the correct GTK_RESPONSE_* value for a hildon_file_chooser_dialog ? | 02:16 |
| user_ | i wish to build my own capture and stream handling interface rather than use gstreamer. | 02:17 |
| el_zilcho | indeed... i learned the powerful lesson about making usre the battery is fully charged when flashing :) | 02:17 |
| user_ | shouldn't be a problem no? | 02:18 |
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| redeeman | sivang: hello, are you here? | 02:18 |
| lardman|home | hey redeeman, get x64 working? | 02:18 |
| redeeman | nope, and the vmware image wasnt working either | 02:19 |
| lardman|home | hmm, sorry about that | 02:19 |
| redeeman | im just gonna write my app first and then get it compiled there | 02:19 |
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| lardman|home | tho I think the normal SDK will install if you fiddle the scripts | 02:19 |
| redeeman | i can setup a 32bit VM when that's done | 02:19 |
| orbarron | anyone know how I can pull down the full rootfs from a n900? | 02:19 |
| redeeman | not if its 64bit | 02:19 |
| redeeman | isnt* | 02:19 |
| lardman|home | redeeman: the old ones could be installed on a 64bit system | 02:19 |
| redeeman | lardman|home: i don't have 32bit compatibility libraries at all | 02:20 |
| CShadowRun | I just had a bit of a realization, maemo uses telepathy for IM...telepathy doesn't support basic things like logging onto an IRC server with a username/password | 02:20 |
| CShadowRun | That's gonna be a problem for me >.< | 02:20 |
| redeeman | CShadowRun: it supports IRC at all on maemo? | 02:20 |
| lardman|home | redeeman: ah, that will be an issue then | 02:20 |
| CShadowRun | Can i install pidgin on it? | 02:20 |
| CShadowRun | redeeman: i would assume so, i thought it uses telepathy? | 02:20 |
| redeeman | it does, but theres no option in the UI for it | 02:20 |
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| CShadowRun | that's not very good | 02:20 |
| CShadowRun | why no IRC? | 02:20 |
| redeeman | no idea | 02:20 |
| redeeman | i want it aswell | 02:21 |
| jebbajeb | DocScrutinizer, pokign at ofono, just for kicks, that (can) use /dev/ttyS0 | 02:21 |
| CShadowRun | redeeman: can you install pidgin on it? | 02:21 |
| el_zilcho | orbarron: if you've got ssh installed might tryconnecting with WinSCP or similar program depending on your os | 02:21 |
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| el_zilcho | i dunno if that's the most efficient way | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebbajeb: cool | 02:21 |
| el_zilcho | but it hsould work | 02:21 |
| redeeman | CShadowRun: yes, i've seen some pidgin screenshots on it, don't know where to obtain it though | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebbajeb: thanks | 02:21 |
| CShadowRun | redeeman: nice | 02:21 |
| orbarron | el_zilcho: using ubnuntu | 02:21 |
| redeeman | CShadowRun: in general, it should run everything a normal linux does, if its in debian arm, you can be quite sure it will work | 02:21 |
| el_zilcho | gnome? | 02:21 |
| CShadowRun | redeeman: i assume i could just compile it | 02:21 |
| CShadowRun | worst case scenario :P | 02:21 |
| CShadowRun | redeeman: nice, ty :D | 02:22 |
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| redeeman | CShadowRun: you have a toolchain up? | 02:22 |
| el_zilcho | you can do Launcher --> Places --> Connect To Server | 02:22 |
| el_zilcho | and it'll browse with konquerer like it was sitting right there | 02:22 |
| CShadowRun | redeeman: dunno what that is sorry :P | 02:22 |
| CShadowRun | but i've compiled stuff on my linux box, does it not compile the same way on maemo? | 02:22 |
| el_zilcho | if you're using kubuntu, then i'm cleless | 02:22 |
| CShadowRun | (configure, make, make install) | 02:23 |
| redeeman | CShadowRun: maemo doesn't come with a compiler, so you need a cross compiler | 02:23 |
| orbarron | thanks | 02:23 |
| CShadowRun | redeeman: oh | 02:23 |
| CShadowRun | redeeman: is there any way to have irc on maemo at all? | 02:23 |
| jebbajeb | DocScrutinizer, in fact /dev/ttyS1 thru S4 are all owned by "dialout" group, so that's pretty good indication | 02:23 |
| user_ | scratchbox is good for xcompilation once setup | 02:23 |
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| CShadowRun | besides hacking something up :P | 02:23 |
| redeeman | CShadowRun: yes, xchat and irssi is available aswell | 02:23 |
| jebbajeb | DocScrutinizer, so is /dev/sticon0 whatever that is | 02:24 |
| redeeman | CShadowRun: but you can certainly get pidgin, im just not aware of where to get it precompiled | 02:24 |
| user_ | CShadowRun: i am writing from irssi right now | 02:24 |
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| CShadowRun | redeeman: nice :D | 02:24 |
| CShadowRun | that's all good then | 02:24 |
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| luigi | bye all | 02:25 |
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| jebbajeb | google says "console [sticon0] enabled " | 02:25 |
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| el_zilcho | i installed irssi too, problem is my most common use case is n900 --> term --> ssh --> home machine --> screen --> irssi | 02:25 |
| jebbajeb | so likely not the modem | 02:25 |
| el_zilcho | so i'm likely to not use it often | 02:26 |
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| MikeDev | hello | 02:26 |
| user_ | irssi is fine on the n900 | 02:26 |
| el_zilcho | of course, i idle a couple places so i don't keep connecting/disconnecting when i re-attach | 02:26 |
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| MikeDev | so basically you have to compile pidgin and any plugins but they will proably work | 02:27 |
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| kynky | ive just switched from using screen to using tmux instead | 02:27 |
| el_zilcho | hmm | 02:27 |
| kynky | irssi has proxy mode too, which is handy | 02:27 |
| user_ | it does? | 02:28 |
| el_zilcho | I do have another good reason for running it remotely | 02:28 |
| el_zilcho | when i'm at work, like now, i don't like to be connected directly to an irc server | 02:28 |
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| kynky | wish the n900 had more space in / | 02:29 |
| user_ | el_zilcho: why? privacy? | 02:29 |
| MikeDev | so basically you have to compile pidgin and any plugins but they will proably work | 02:29 |
| lardman|home | any GDK pixbuf gurus about? | 02:29 |
| lardman|home | buf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file(filename, &error); | 02:29 |
| kalikiana | kynky, curiously, how does tmux compare to screen? | 02:29 |
| lardman|home | buf==NULL and gerror->message is apparently blank | 02:29 |
| lardman|home | any thoughts? | 02:29 |
| * user_ is curious too | 02:30 | |
| el_zilcho | user: that's part of it, although i do use the -ssl option for the servers i'm worried about | 02:30 |
| user_ | right | 02:30 |
| el_zilcho | i don't even see tmux in debian lenny | 02:30 |
| kalikiana | lardman|home, &error == gerror? | 02:31 |
| kalikiana | did you typo the variables? | 02:31 |
| lardman|home | yep | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | pidgin is available too | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | however, I can't get it to work | 02:31 |
| lardman|home | sorry, should be error->message | 02:31 |
| el_zilcho | its in ubuntu karmic though | 02:31 |
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| kynky | kalikiana, http://niallohiggins.com/2009/06/04/tmux-a-bsd-alternative-to-gnu-screen/ | 02:31 |
| kalikiana | hm.. then it's odd that both is null | 02:32 |
| kynky | its good | 02:32 |
| lardman|home | yeah | 02:32 |
| kalikiana | kynky, thanks. | 02:32 |
| el_zilcho | guess i'll be sticking with screen for the time being... i like things in the form of working across all my distros | 02:32 |
| el_zilcho | common denominators | 02:32 |
| lardman|home | the filename is a valid path to a .jpg | 02:32 |
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| kynky | el_zilcho, tmux is bsd licensed as opposed to gpl | 02:33 |
| user_ | its the emacs like bindings that always irritate me about screen | 02:34 |
| kynky | oh, you mean it not in debian lennny ? | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | i can't get pidgin to work for IRC I mean | 02:34 |
| el_zilcho | at work, our PBX's are centos based (yes, yuck)... i run ubuntu on my home machine (mostly for ubuntustudio apps)... and i use debian lenny on this laptop | 02:34 |
| el_zilcho | yeah | 02:34 |
| el_zilcho | its not in lenny repos | 02:34 |
| el_zilcho | maybe sid or something | 02:34 |
| kalikiana | SpeedEvil, pidgin irc sucks, save the effort :-P | 02:35 |
| el_zilcho | but i'm running a relatively clean lenny | 02:35 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 02:35 |
| asidjazz | we need an email widget | 02:35 |
| asidjazz | why dont we have one | 02:35 |
| user_ | me too hehe | 02:35 |
| user_ | lenny is great | 02:35 |
| jebbajeb | DocScrutinizer, it's not in the repo that i see, but ttywatch may be a useful app for what you want (or for what i'm guessing you may want) | 02:35 |
| asidjazz | what is lenny user_ | 02:35 |
| user_ | best deb stable ever | 02:35 |
| el_zilcho | i can't figure out which distro i hate most | 02:35 |
| el_zilcho | asidjazz: debian 5 | 02:35 |
| asidjazz | oh | 02:35 |
| asidjazz | i did ubuntu | 02:35 |
| kynky | el_zilcho, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tmux&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all | 02:35 |
| el_zilcho | ubuntu for dumbing everything down and disabling things like ctrl-alt-backspace to kill x | 02:35 |
| el_zilcho | debian for always being slow on software versions (which i understand is a perceived pro, not a con) | 02:36 |
| redeeman | el_zilcho: debian testing is on average newer than ubuntu | 02:36 |
| jebbajeb | el_zilcho: oh i like having no ctrl-alt-backspace. I hit that accidentally a lot heh | 02:36 |
| el_zilcho | really? | 02:36 |
| kalikiana | el_zilcho, lots of people apparently manage to kill X accidentally via ctrl-alt-backspace. arguably it's not a stupid reasoning | 02:37 |
| el_zilcho | i can't figure out how to re-enable it | 02:37 |
| lardman|home | jebbajeb: you know that can be disabled? ;) | 02:37 |
| jebbajeb | ya. I can't remember why i would all the time. maybe breaking out of a cursor locked in qemu? don't remember | 02:37 |
| kynky | its an xorg.conf setting, search google for three finger salute i think | 02:37 |
| el_zilcho | "dumb" was the wrong word | 02:37 |
| el_zilcho | but not totally | 02:37 |
| el_zilcho | because they dumb it down | 02:37 |
| jebbajeb | lardman|home: ya. and i would. But then you do a fresh install, forget to do it and POOF, aw shit again | 02:37 |
| el_zilcho | to protect the user | 02:37 |
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| el_zilcho | i understand why they have to do that too though | 02:38 |
| kalikiana | el_zilcho, remember ubuntu is for average users, not for admins | 02:38 |
| lardman|home | jebbajeb: I have the opposite; it's disabled and I need to use it! :) | 02:38 |
| asidjazz | AW SHIIIIIIIIIIIET | 02:38 |
| user_ | ubuntu 9.10 somehow looks worse than earlier versions. quite a feat. | 02:38 |
| el_zilcho | my vmware modules still won't recompile in karmic | 02:38 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 02:38 |
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| fchurca | user_: indeed | 02:38 |
| el_zilcho | i didn't try hard though | 02:38 |
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| Venomrush | how is the process of getting apps from devel -> extras-testing? | 02:38 |
| jebbajeb | lardman|home: I had to teach my 5 year old how to do it on his eee cuz full screen games flake out all the time. Funny to hear him say it cuz he has a spanish accent ("control backspace!") | 02:38 |
| Venomrush | i've seen apps i want to installed imported to devel since october but not yet available on extras-testing yet | 02:39 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 02:39 |
| el_zilcho | cute | 02:39 |
| user_ | mark s for all his talents has absolutley no aesthetic talents whatsoever. | 02:39 |
| jebbajeb | vmware? kvm.... | 02:39 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 02:39 |
| nhg | anyone know which multimedia codecs on the N900 uses gst-dsp plugins? | 02:40 |
| jebbajeb | rpm -q --requires gst-dsp now translate into apt-speak | 02:40 |
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| nhg | will that tell me which codecs are using gst-dsp as opposed to gst-openmax? | 02:41 |
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| nhg | basically I'm trying to find out which codecs are HW accelerated (to use the DSP) and if so which gstreamer plugins do they use (gst-dsp, gst-openmax or something else) | 02:42 |
| lardman|home | does dpkg --list take wildcards? | 02:43 |
| lardman|home | in which case feed that to grep | 02:43 |
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| nhg | grep shows both gst-dsp and gst-openmax | 02:43 |
| lardman|home | for which plugin> | 02:44 |
| lardman|home | ? | 02:44 |
| el_zilcho | grep -i gst-dsp | 02:44 |
| el_zilcho | should invert results | 02:44 |
| user_ | apt-cache show and look for depends | 02:44 |
| el_zilcho | if you're saying gst matches gst-dsp and gst-openmax | 02:44 |
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| nhg | yes....dpkg -la | grep gst | 02:44 |
| * user_ misses man pages on the n900 | 02:45 | |
| nhg | shows both openmax and dsp...so how can I tell which codecs are using what? | 02:45 |
| lardman|home | not gst | 02:45 |
| lardman|home | grep gsp-dsp | gst-openmax | 02:45 |
| lardman|home | where | is a typing instruction, not something to type ;) | 02:46 |
| el_zilcho | dpkg -la | grep gst | grep -i gst-dsp (should show the gst results, excluding gst-dsp... you can extend it from there to do what you need) | 02:46 |
| el_zilcho | or yeah | 02:46 |
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| el_zilcho | replace what i said with what you said :) | 02:46 |
| kynky | there is man-db, but doesnt look like it a good idea to install, as it will prob use too much space | 02:46 |
| el_zilcho | gst/gsp/etc | 02:46 |
| lardman|home | :) | 02:46 |
| jebbajeb | nhg: a more accurate way would probably be to use `ldd` on the various libraries and see which ones use the dsp library. | 02:47 |
| lardman|home | sounds like a loop would be needed | 02:47 |
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| lardman|home | assuming the deps are correct I'd use apt-get/dpkg tbh | 02:47 |
| lardman|home | dpkg in fact | 02:48 |
| nhg | http://pastebin.com/mf2a89d9 | 02:48 |
| el_zilcho | yeah, i guess i made assumptions about your output | 02:48 |
| nhg | what does ldd do again? | 02:48 |
| lardman|home | should library links | 02:49 |
| el_zilcho | print shared library dependencies | 02:49 |
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| lardman|home | looks like you've just grepped for "gst" there? | 02:49 |
| kynky | have fennec 1.0b5 which isnt optified, prob where i lost a lot of space | 02:49 |
| lardman|home | does fennec really have lots of additional data? | 02:50 |
| nhg | yes...not infront of the device to type the command...but I doubt "grep gsp-dsp | gst-openmax" will give me what I'm looking for? | 02:50 |
| kynky | fennec was a 12.2mb d/l | 02:51 |
| lardman|home | nhg: no, but type one or the other | 02:51 |
| kynky | nightly builds are optified, so installing that | 02:51 |
| lardman|home | kynde: ok, pretty big | 02:51 |
| jebbajeb | hmm, in my ultra-cruft way of searching for it I dont see anything that uses libgstdsp.so (!) | 02:52 |
| user_ | dpkg -S libgstdsp.so | 02:52 |
| nhg | what will that give me? | 02:52 |
| jebbajeb | which just brings up gstreamer0.10-dsp, nothing else | 02:52 |
| user_ | hmm. then do a rdpepends on it | 02:53 |
| user_ | rdepends | 02:53 |
| el_zilcho | haha, the reason what i said doesn't work is because your dpkg -la i don't think shows the data you're looking for... | 02:53 |
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| el_zilcho | after actually typing it myself | 02:53 |
| kynky | back to 40.5mb free on root, still feels too small | 02:54 |
| jebbajeb | how about this for bullSSSSSiiiiipz: `for i in `find /usr/lib` ; do echo "library $i" ; ldd $i 2>/dev/null ; done |less` then look for libgstdsp. Which turns up nothing except the package that it is actually in. I know this is a retarded way to do this. | 02:55 |
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| user_ | install apt-rdepends | 02:55 |
| nhg | Are there any Nokia DSP folks hanging around in this chat by anychance? (maybe wishful thinking..) | 02:55 |
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| lardman|home | nhg: I'm not, but what are you after? | 02:56 |
| nhg | trying to get gst-dsp working on beagle/zoom2 | 02:56 |
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| Venomrush | "The packages hosted here are promoted from extras-devel and have gone through an automated quality check." Is there a long queue to be 'automated quality checked' or something? Why are there still apps since September not going through? | 02:56 |
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| lardman|home | nhg: ah, ok, no idea then, sorry | 02:57 |
| user_ | nhg nice. i also have a revb bb. | 02:57 |
| asidjazz | whats the url that installs aother repos | 02:57 |
| asidjazz | other repos | 02:57 |
| asidjazz | onto n9000 | 02:57 |
| nhg | user_:cool | 02:57 |
| el_zilcho | asidjazz: in the application manager you can add repositories... there's a text file that has the addys but i'm told it can get wiped out so best to add through the application manager | 02:58 |
| asidjazz | nah theres a url you click on from maemo.org el_zilcho | 02:58 |
| asidjazz | and itll install em itself | 02:59 |
| asidjazz | i foudn it before | 02:59 |
| el_zilcho | o rly | 02:59 |
| nhg | just curious...are you guys mostly nokia engineers or maemo open source developers? | 02:59 |
| el_zilcho | nice | 02:59 |
| jebbajeb | Venomrush: perhaps they failed the automated QA | 02:59 |
| asidjazz | el_zilcho: https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#To_enable_Extras_repository.2C_just_open_this_link_on_your_tablet. | 02:59 |
| jebbajeb | nhg: mostly random lurkers | 02:59 |
| nhg | hehe | 03:00 |
| user_ | nhg: im an independent dev but consult to nokia a little lately. | 03:00 |
| * Mousey lurks randomly | 03:00 | |
| Ronaldo38741 | I'm not a random lurker. I have medals in lurking. | 03:00 |
| Mousey | man, who are you? | 03:01 |
| Mousey | that's amazing, i've never seen you | 03:01 |
| kalikiana | lol | 03:01 |
| naxxatoe | thats some of the fun part of lurking | 03:01 |
| Ronaldo38741 | If you'd seen me, I wouldn't be doing a very good job at lurking. | 03:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer randoms luridly | 03:01 | |
| naxxatoe | changing nick frequently | 03:01 |
| Ronaldo38741 | I'm that good. | 03:01 |
| Mousey | wow! they're comin' outta the woodwork! | 03:02 |
| kalikiana | if you're good, you let a bot lurk in your place and read the logs carelessly | 03:02 |
| user_ | Ronaldo38741: i haven't ever seen you for years and years. | 03:02 |
| user_ | you are very good at this indeed. | 03:03 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Medals, man. So many medals. | 03:03 |
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| kalikiana | user_, I know you, though. your name appears on many websites :-P | 03:03 |
| naxxatoe | i am so happy with my n900, except for a few bugs | 03:03 |
| nhg | glad my question is bringing people out of the woodwork....if you guys ever get tired or lurking here...please join us on #linux-omap. | 03:03 |
| naxxatoe | now i gotta start hacking the shit out of it ;) | 03:03 |
| nhg | thanks. | 03:03 |
| naxxatoe | whats linux-omap? | 03:04 |
| user_ | Ronaldo38741: real lurkers use other ppls nicks! | 03:04 |
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| jebbajeb | beagle board! wee. I really want to build a http://cinema.elphel.com/ | 03:04 |
| user_ | naxxatoe: linux on omap3 family | 03:04 |
| kalikiana | nhg, do they give out free drinks there? | 03:04 |
| Ronaldo38741 | How do you know I'm not using someone else's nick? | 03:04 |
| nhg | linux users on Texas Instruments OMAP processors | 03:04 |
| naxxatoe | i see | 03:04 |
| naxxatoe | currently really pissed about the agps issue on n900 | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /msg nickserv ghost user_ bigsecretpassword | 03:05 |
| jebbajeb | nhg: i wanted to get a beagleboard, but they are backordered everywhere i looked, then i left the USA and getting them in argentina will be a PITA | 03:05 |
| nhg | free drinks on weekends | 03:05 |
| naxxatoe | and that there is no good navigation system around that runs on it | 03:05 |
| naxxatoe | that will allow for the storage on maps on the device itself | 03:05 |
| user_ | nokia berlin are working on it. | 03:05 |
| jebbajeb | naxxatoe: i would like to see tangogps. Have you tried that on another device by any chance? | 03:05 |
| kalikiana | naxxatoe, there is maemo mapper | 03:06 |
| naxxatoe | plus i am thinking about building a finance managment tool that is really simple | 03:06 |
| naxxatoe | to run on it | 03:06 |
| naxxatoe | as that would be awsome | 03:06 |
| jebbajeb | maemo mapper is dog slow for me I don't know what is up. Like 30 seconds just to bring up a menu. | 03:06 |
| user_ | me too. | 03:06 |
| naxxatoe | something like squirrelmap on macs | 03:06 |
| user_ | on the n97 it is faster i hear. | 03:06 |
| kalikiana | I expect mapper to become better, it's not adapted for fremantle at all yet | 03:07 |
| jebbajeb | i found GPXview to be the best mapping program so far, but it's meant for geocaching.... | 03:07 |
| jebbajeb | tangogps! as soon as i get a good working SDK.... | 03:07 |
| user_ | kalikiana: i believe this is true. | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | naxxatoe: agps issue? | 03:07 |
| naxxatoe | yup | 03:08 |
| nhg | jebbajeb: have two on my desk....can mail one for double the cost | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | what kind of issue? | 03:08 |
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| naxxatoe | well the standart one | 03:08 |
| naxxatoe | like using agps | 03:08 |
| naxxatoe | with network connection | 03:08 |
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| nhg | digikey might be your best bet | 03:08 |
| naxxatoe | so it initially gets the satilites around | 03:08 |
| naxxatoe | and whilst you are on your way | 03:08 |
| naxxatoe | you loose lets say | 03:08 |
| naxxatoe | network coverage | 03:08 |
| naxxatoe | but you can still see the satilites | 03:08 |
| jebbajeb | nhg: backordered at digikey when i checked a week or so ago | 03:09 |
| naxxatoe | and nothing | 03:09 |
| naxxatoe | because it doesnt store sat locations | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 03:09 |
| nhg | hmm... | 03:09 |
| naxxatoe | updating them once a day would be more than enouph for accurate navigation | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | it doesn't store ephem and almanac | 03:09 |
| naxxatoe | i actually researched this afer Venomrush mentioned it | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? o.O | 03:09 |
| naxxatoe | also gps stops working sometimes when the n900 goes to power saving mode due to inaactivity on ovi maps | 03:10 |
| naxxatoe | xD | 03:10 |
| user_ | jebbajeb: be sure to get a BB with the case | 03:10 |
| jebbajeb | nhg: digikey estimated ship date is february... Plus getting it thru customs in .ar is a PITA since they are idiots here. | 03:10 |
| kynky | droid sans mono font look nice in xterm | 03:10 |
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| naxxatoe | DocScrutinizer: there is a ticket on it in bugs.maemo.org | 03:10 |
| naxxatoe | i descided not to post in that thread because its already there and i cant add too much new info to it | 03:10 |
| user_ | jebbajeb: protects the ports.. usb power hdmi etc | 03:11 |
| naxxatoe | example: having network coverage | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | naxxatoe: well, considering how long it took to put GPS on Openmoko FR to decent work, I'm not surprised to find some flaws in Nokia's implementation ;-P | 03:11 |
| jebbajeb | ya. though i may not even have time to play with it til feb since my n900 arrived ;) | 03:11 |
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| naxxatoe | using maps or the photo app to geotag stuff | 03:11 |
| nhg | would love to visit Argentina....can bring one along with me. | 03:12 |
| jebbajeb | tangogps! ;) | 03:12 |
| naxxatoe | with agps | 03:12 |
| jebbajeb | nhg: haah ok. ;) | 03:12 |
| nhg | free food/lodging will be needed | 03:12 |
| naxxatoe | then it should save what it knows for a hour or so | 03:12 |
| naxxatoe | but instead you close the app | 03:12 |
| naxxatoe | move a couple of feet till network is out (or turn it off) | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebbajeb: actually rango is great on FR | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tango | 03:12 |
| jebbajeb | pretty much have that here... | 03:12 |
| jebbajeb | food is very cheap here. | 03:12 |
| naxxatoe | and you cant get a fi anymore xD | 03:12 |
| jebbajeb | fix | 03:13 |
| nhg | let me check with my colleagues in TI brazil and see...how they order them. | 03:13 |
| naxxatoe | sorry ;) | 03:13 |
| jebbajeb | ok thx | 03:13 |
| jebbajeb | ordering thru brazil would be less hassle since they are MERCOSUR country. | 03:13 |
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| naxxatoe | man i would so love to build awsome apps for n900 but my coding partner has close to no time at the moment, and all i am good at is implementing the background code (eg everything without graphics) and designing user interfaces on paper | 03:14 |
| user_ | jebbajeb: bb is bueno pero el n900 es bastante mas interesante- maemo la camera etc | 03:14 |
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| naxxatoe | and then he does the graphical stuf | 03:14 |
| naxxatoe | so i am really fucked up at the moment xD | 03:14 |
| jebbajeb | user_: si mejor. Pero mira eso: http://cinema.elphel.com :) | 03:14 |
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| naxxatoe | english please, somebody else may be interested in what you are talking about too ;) | 03:15 |
| jebbajeb | clicky clicky ;) | 03:15 |
| * user_ clicks el enlace | 03:15 | |
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| lardman|home | nighty-night all | 03:15 |
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| naxxatoe | is there python already running on the n900? i mean in a state where it is not all broken? | 03:16 |
| user_ | jebbajeb: nice site/proyecto | 03:16 |
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| user_ | i must sleep. good night all. | 03:18 |
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| el_zilcho | You know what i just realized? when you receive a call, the MUTE button is right on top of the Answer button... and above the deny button is the option to send a text.... so if you fat finger mute, you might accidentally pick up a call you intended to ignore | 03:19 |
| jebbajeb | naxxatoe: python i've used on there all seems fine from what i've seen (minimal, but no probs) | 03:19 |
| el_zilcho | would seem more logical for mute to be above reject methinks, but whatever | 03:19 |
| fusi | im concerned about flow control statements in compiled glsl crashing out the driver :( | 03:21 |
| el_zilcho | i guess it can always be flipped face down instead of using the softkey for mute | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | never heard of that for N900 | 03:21 |
| fusi | i think theres a bug logged somewhere for it | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | for omnia this option was so poorly implemented I had to disable it when walking with omnia in pocket while listening MP3 :-S | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | winmoob noobs | 03:23 |
| el_zilcho | yeah, i only found out about that mute because of the ux team's youtube vids | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's actually there? | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (don't want to wake the baby while trying now ;) | 03:25 |
| el_zilcho | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eZu3nku2uM | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it's somewhat stupid to mute on a device orientation that's covering all the optical feedback elements ;-/ | 03:27 |
| el_zilcho | in what respect? | 03:27 |
| fusi | u talkin bout face down while ringing | 03:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you could argue you *need* ringtone, when screen-down. While screen-up you see fashing screen and LED | 03:28 |
| fusi | some phones do loudspeaker on face down during call | 03:28 |
| el_zilcho | i think it only mutes if it starts ringing and then you flip it | 03:28 |
| fusi | aye | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a reasonable design decision anyway | 03:29 |
| el_zilcho | there's something more going on in the software than just checking if its facedown | 03:29 |
| el_zilcho | but i couldn't tell you what :) | 03:29 |
| kalikiana | DocScrutinizer, if you put it face down, it's because you don't have time or want to take the call. you wouldn't need a ring tone then | 03:31 |
| el_zilcho | its nice to see the interaction evolve beyond "push button x for feature x" | 03:31 |
| fusi | aye | 03:31 |
| jebbajeb | DocScrutinizer, you have any luck with the /dev/ttyS* fooo? what you looking to do anyway? just pokin'? | 03:32 |
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| fusi | tho i hesitate at this portrait ui stufff - bee on a pos winmo phone that autorotates ui on device orientation and it flippin annoying | 03:32 |
| fusi | being* | 03:32 |
| jebbajeb | turn your head | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba. sending USSD like *100# | 03:33 |
| el_zilcho | oh, and the thing i said about fat-fingering reject... apparently that's only in landscape mode that those two are awfully close... and i guess it sounds like that might have been a last minute type thing | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not tested yet | 03:33 |
| jebbajeb | ah,it's the trailing # that is causing the bug? | 03:33 |
| jebbajeb | cuz i do *150 fine | 03:34 |
| kalikiana | fusi, you can disable it | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno | 03:34 |
| kalikiana | (though I personally do like it a lot) | 03:34 |
| fusi | u mean on the n900? | 03:35 |
| kalikiana | yep | 03:35 |
| fusi | ye | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | *31#12345 also works | 03:35 |
| jebbajeb | it's funny how some apps are so huge and some so surprisingly teeny. An alarm clock that weighs in at 4.9M. Leafpad editor is a couple hundred K, yet "lightweight" vim is 20 fkn megs. | 03:35 |
| fusi | id like the option aye | 03:35 |
| fusi | jees | 03:35 |
| kalikiana | in phone it is Options > Turning Control | 03:35 |
| kalikiana | quite easy | 03:35 |
| fusi | ye - what i kinda meant was the os | 03:36 |
| fusi | not just the phone | 03:36 |
| fusi | alotof ppl i see moanin bout it heh | 03:36 |
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| fusi | that its not there yet | 03:37 |
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| fusi | doesnt bother me | 03:38 |
| kalikiana | yeah, it needs a bit of polishing. with coming updates it will receive that presumably. | 03:38 |
| fusi | i dont mind how itt is atm | 03:38 |
| fusi | aye :) | 03:39 |
| Pavlov | anyone had problem with n900 not recognizing a simcard? | 03:39 |
| Pavlov | it was working a minute ago before i reflashed it... | 03:39 |
| kalikiana | perfectly fine here | 03:39 |
| fusi | is it seated properly | 03:39 |
| Pavlov | seems to be | 03:39 |
| Pavlov | i just reseated it again... | 03:39 |
| fusi | hmmz | 03:39 |
| fusi | dunno | 03:39 |
| Pavlov | mm | 03:40 |
| el_zilcho | nah, only sim card problem i had was my own stupidity... at first i couldn't figure out how to latch it... i thought the battery was the only thing holding it in place | 03:40 |
| kalikiana | seems doubtful that flashing would affect the sim | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | friggin mailer doesn't show jpg attachment in html part of a multipart msg :-( | 03:40 |
| Pavlov | i've flashed it before, without problems | 03:40 |
| kalikiana | there's a whole load of testers making sure it won't | 03:40 |
| fusi | ive heard of winmo phones doin similar things as a result of a badd flaash | 03:40 |
| fusi | but thats winmo :p | 03:41 |
| Pavlov | welp, i have a winmo phone right here to test the sim in!;) | 03:41 |
| Pavlov | tho i really want to install anything other than winmo on it | 03:41 |
| fusi | bedtime for me, nn all | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | Pavlov: is the SIM card definitely GSM? | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | N900 only supports GSM SIM cards AFAIK | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf else? | 03:42 |
| redeeman | in the terminal, if i start top, it says load average is 8 | 03:42 |
| redeeman | is that normal? | 03:42 |
| redeeman | DocScrutinizer51: theres some 3g ones | 03:42 |
| Pavlov | luke-jr: yes, the card was working before | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: at least iDEN uses SIM cards too | 03:43 |
| redeeman | the cpu usage is only reported to 1-4% | 03:43 |
| Robot101 | redeeman: no, what is taking cpu? | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | duh' that's same sim. just other nb*nds the carriers provide | 03:43 |
| Robot101 | redeeman: oh... could be some stuck tasks (D state) | 03:43 |
| redeeman | Robot101: seemingly nothing is taking cpu, but it just reports really high average | 03:43 |
| Pavlov | simcard works fine in my htc hd2 | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bands. damn | 03:44 |
| * Pavlov goes to reflash again | 03:44 | |
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| redeeman | Robot101: 4 D stated | 03:45 |
| redeeman | what do you have on yours ? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | any way to get a better idea than small green bar about remaining bat? | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | speedevil: now I start to feeel what you meant by "few mm off kbd thickness would be better" | 03:48 |
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| el_zilcho | no sure about the battery... i was looking to see if i could find anything useful, but didn't see anything | 03:57 |
| redeeman | any of you that can report on the load average at you? | 03:57 |
| el_zilcho | doubt mine is useful since i reflashed this morning and haven't been actively using it | 03:58 |
| redeeman | yes, i wish to know | 03:59 |
| redeeman | it only samples a few minutes back | 03:59 |
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| el_zilcho | 19:59:41 up 5:57, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.07 | 03:59 |
| redeeman | something is wrong here then, try ps aux | grep D | 03:59 |
| Robot101 | redeeman: which 4? | 03:59 |
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| el_zilcho | looking for something specific in there? looks like sshd ohmd tonegend | 04:00 |
| redeeman | obexd. symc. hildon-thumbnailerd, intellisyncd | 04:00 |
| redeeman | sync* | 04:00 |
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| redeeman | events/0 also appears to be D stated, it says DW | 04:01 |
| Robot101 | redeeman: seems they got stuck trying to do some sync thing | 04:01 |
| el_zilcho | yeah... | 04:01 |
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| Robot101 | do you have any errors in dmesg? | 04:01 |
| redeeman | nothing striking | 04:01 |
| redeeman | but haven't checked thoroughly | 04:02 |
| el_zilcho | obexd i think is object exchange daemon | 04:02 |
| el_zilcho | or something | 04:02 |
| Robot101 | yeah bluetooth stuff | 04:02 |
| el_zilcho | yzyz | 04:02 |
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| el_zilcho | i guess now that i'm paying attention 3 of those 4 are involved in syncing | 04:03 |
| redeeman | i just rebooted, now its gone | 04:03 |
| redeeman | i wonder what it did in D state | 04:03 |
| redeeman | it can impossibly having been doing that much IO? | 04:04 |
| Robot101 | no no. they were blocked on IO | 04:04 |
| Robot101 | its not causing any real load | 04:04 |
| redeeman | wonder why though | 04:04 |
| redeeman | oh well | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xchat just vanished on ctrl-i. and relaunching it failed. killing failed y(no process) | 04:04 |
| redeeman | any of you have a working toolchain? | 04:04 |
| Robot101 | they're runnable, not actually running | 04:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: lshal|awk '/percen/{print $3}' | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | had to launch from cmdline :-\ | 04:05 |
| SpeedEvil | (though that's silly) | 04:05 |
| redeeman | i don't have a 32bit environment yet, and i'd like to see how something runs | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | speedevil. why silly? | 04:07 |
| el_zilcho | can you relaunch it but do an strace? | 04:07 |
| el_zilcho | oh nm | 04:07 |
| redeeman | http://redeeman.kaspersandberg.com:8001/StopWatch.tar <-- in case anyone has a toolchain and wanna try | 04:07 |
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| el_zilcho | you said you got it relaunched from the cli | 04:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that tapping the battery doesn't give you this info. | 04:12 |
| Pavlov | hrm | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | speedevil' right | 04:12 |
| rashed2020 | This may seem like a stupid question. But is PyMaemo's socket module compiled with SSL support? | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | let's see if xchat will start from iconclick now again | 04:14 |
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| jebba | wish me luck. 51 packages... for i in `cat INSTALL_THESE ` ; do echo "installing $i ....." ; apt-get -y install $i && apt-get clean && sync ; done | 04:14 |
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| kalikiana | jebba, if you do that on the device, it will not use the right cache | 04:15 |
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| jebba | kalikiana: got a better suggestoin? | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yo, fixed itself [(c) Tuttle] | 04:16 |
| kalikiana | jebba, find out what the option is to make it use it. I don't remember unfortunately | 04:18 |
| kalikiana | otherwise there's a chance you'll run out of space very soon | 04:19 |
| jebba | you know which cache is suppose to be used? | 04:19 |
| jebba | ya, that's why i'm apt-get cleanign all the time | 04:19 |
| jebba | seems /var/cache should not be on NAND anyhoo... | 04:20 |
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| kalikiana | jebba, /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache is what the app installer uses | 04:24 |
| kalikiana | you can symlink it | 04:25 |
| kalikiana | or find out the right option | 04:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | gmplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:height=240:width=320:device=/dev/video0 is startlingly good. | 04:27 |
| SpeedEvil | gmplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:height=240:width=320:device=/dev/video1 is startlingly bad. | 04:27 |
| SpeedEvil | it can't really be that bad? | 04:27 |
| kalikiana | jebba, there we go: -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache | 04:28 |
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| jebba | well, i made it all the way to "maemo-mapper" til the list hit 100% ;) | 04:30 |
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| jebba | kalikiana: cool thx :) | 04:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh - I forgot I had a cling-film 'screen protector' over the camera. | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Nope, if anything, removing that has made it worse. | 04:32 |
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| jebba | filled up to 100% but reboot freed up 38.3M (!) | 04:34 |
| jebba | i gotta read up on this ubiFS thing | 04:34 |
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| kalikiana | jebba, you have to consider two things: 1. libraries which are being used while you upgrade 2. ubifs being conservative with estimating compressed file size | 04:36 |
| el_zilcho | i haven't looked since i reflashed, but on arrival i was getting lots of ubifs errors in dmesg | 04:36 |
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| jebba | anyway, i hit 100%, I apt-get clean again and blow out the most recently isntalled app, reboot, clear up space, added your -o, re-run and hope for best. | 04:37 |
| jebba | continual reflashing teaches a lot anyway ;) | 04:37 |
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| jebba | gotta automate my system more & more..... | 04:37 |
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| jebba | mkdir /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache/archives/ fwiw | 04:39 |
| jebba | the other dirs were there (couldn't find lock, which it wanted in a subdir of there, though there was anther lock file). | 04:40 |
| jebba | my mind is getting a bit loose at the moment btw...,. | 04:40 |
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| jebba | mkdir -p /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache/archives/partial | 04:40 |
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| el_zilcho | yeah, its almost 9pm and i'm at work still :) | 04:41 |
| jebba | ahora si | 04:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wonders how hard it could be to fix xchat segfault on saving preferences | 04:44 | |
| jebba | heh | 04:44 |
| jebba | ya considering the userbase of it... | 04:44 |
| jebba | everyone is too lazy and just edit xchat.conf ;) | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bah | 04:45 |
| jebba | it's probably just looking in the wrong dir or some no brainer ;) | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | keybindings works | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so it,s not a general problem | 04:45 |
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| jebba | i did things like set freenode #maemo to autostart and not show networks at startup and such with the GUI no prob | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just tried a gdb xchat... alas no gdb :-S | 04:46 |
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| jebba | there's strace | 04:47 |
| jebba | no -dbg files or whatever debian calls debug tho | 04:47 |
| jebba | need like /extras-devel/ free debug etc | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | friggin shit | 04:48 |
| jebba | k? | 04:50 |
| jebba | still filling up / a bunch even with apt cache in homedir. lots needs to kcik over to /opt | 04:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 does df -h | 04:55 | |
| jebba | 99% time to reboot! | 04:56 |
| jebba | df -h / ; while true; do df -h / | grep rootfs ; sleep 10 ; done | 04:56 |
| jebba | rootfs 227.8M 221.3M 2.3M 99% / | 04:56 |
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| jebba | i totally sympathize with why the problem with filling / is happening (e.g. how to reflash etc), but it is TOTALLY RETARDED to keep filling / with a stock setup on a device with 32G of RAM. </rant not over, perhaps just begining> | 04:57 |
| jebba | s/RAM/disk | 04:58 |
| el_zilcho | watch -n 10 "df -h | grep rootfs" | 04:58 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 04:58 |
| jebba | man `reboot` sure goes a helluva lot faster than buttons | 04:58 |
| jebba | oh you and your saved keystrokes ;) | 04:59 |
| el_zilcho | nah | 04:59 |
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| el_zilcho | i just use watch all the time | 04:59 |
| el_zilcho | defaults to 2 seconds typically | 04:59 |
| jebba | watchout, it's getting late and i've been hacking on this fkn thing for, uh, 15 hours straight..... | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba, couldn't agree more | 04:59 |
| el_zilcho | this is my third late night here | 05:00 |
| el_zilcho | and i've got a weekend conference | 05:00 |
| el_zilcho | 9am - 10:30pm for friday/saturday/sunday | 05:00 |
| el_zilcho | and then back tow ork monday | 05:00 |
| el_zilcho | i think i'm just going to tell them i'm sleeping in monday | 05:00 |
| kalikiana | jebba, complain to package maintainers. apps with big files in / won't go into extras anyway | 05:00 |
| jebba | conferneces are bs anyway, doesnt really matter. unless you're giving keynote or somethign ;) | 05:00 |
| jebba | kalikiana: I can fill 256M with symlinks! | 05:01 |
| el_zilcho | well, its "the landmark forum" some thing work is paying for... | 05:01 |
| kalikiana | jebba, If you insist, you can fill it with 'touch' | 05:01 |
| jebba | hehe | 05:01 |
| kalikiana | Whatever | 05:01 |
| el_zilcho | i hope i can get wifi there | 05:02 |
| el_zilcho | n900 to the rescue | 05:02 |
| jebba | kalikiana: but a strenght of this is that we can use wtf repo we want. This isn't iphone. Would be nice if we didn't have to treat /usr like fucking eggshells. | 05:02 |
| kalikiana | jebba, well, the filesystem is extremely optimized to handle powerloss and other bad things. you can't do that with fat obviously | 05:03 |
| kalikiana | so it's not surprising the cheap space is elsewhere | 05:03 |
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| jebba | kalikiana: ya, ditch fat | 05:05 |
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| kalikiana | it makes perfect sense if you consider the reasoning. the problem is realizing that | 05:06 |
| kalikiana | there's lots of small details involved in making a phone | 05:07 |
| jebba | oh, ya, like i said, i completely sympathesize with why it happened. I can see that. | 05:07 |
| jebba | But from another perspective, i mean, free the thing up. I mean, theres 32G of space on this thing out-of-the-box, yet root is filling all the time? think think! gotta be a way. | 05:08 |
| jebba | i mean, even have a shadow /usr with base stuff that gets "overmounted" by a much larger /usr or *something* | 05:08 |
| jebba | just one file on NAND that is -o ro or something | 05:09 |
| kalikiana | Yeah. I suspect there is one or two things that can still be optimized. Afterall, the the first N900 came out before it was officially done | 05:10 |
| jebba | 5/6 .. for sure. | 05:11 |
| kalikiana | I'm out, gotta be up in less than six hours. See you | 05:12 |
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| jebba | got all 51 apps installed at least := | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-) | 05:13 |
| jebba | and 26M free :) | 05:13 |
| jebba | funny, used to get the whole thing going in like 8M, and now bitch about 256M ;) | 05:14 |
| jebba | but now it's *easy* | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | battery.charge_level.percentage = 8 (0x8) (int) | 05:15 |
| jebba | "En el principio creó Dios los cielos y la tierra" yep rapier works ;) | 05:16 |
| jebba | DocScrutinizer51: if you find more dbus-sends, feel free to edit "my" page. | 05:16 |
| jebba | once i get it a bit better will do wiki/dbus-send-examples or somesuch | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 05:16 |
| jebba | day 1 on that page ;) | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | happy to help as soon as I'm smart enough ;-) | 05:17 |
| redeeman | damn i wish they had the SDK for x86_64 | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I wish they had it for RPM based systems | 05:18 |
| jebba | redeeman: what disto? | 05:18 |
| redeeman | i have gentoo and debian | 05:18 |
| jebba | maemo sdk on fedora: http://blog.gbraad.nl/2009/11/maemo-5-sdk-on-fedora-12.html | 05:18 |
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| jebba | i tried it in qemu, but the lastest one met with fail | 05:18 |
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| jebba | havent read that yet, actually | 05:19 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 wondering what's going to happen in a few minutes, when bat is down | 05:20 | |
| ameng | can i run opengl programs with hilton-desktop runing? | 05:20 |
| redeeman | any of you that have the SDK? | 05:20 |
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| jebba | redeeman: well, downloaded ya. installed some older versions of in in debian lenny in qemu | 05:21 |
| redeeman | i appear to have a working arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc now, but i need all the headers and libs | 05:21 |
| jebba | ameng: should be ok | 05:21 |
| jebba | redeeman: i think you can just apt-get within the chroot, no? | 05:21 |
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| redeeman | scratchbox is completely broken | 05:21 |
| redeeman | but the gcc works | 05:22 |
| ameng | jebba : do you mean there is something like dir2 of X to utilizing 3d hw? | 05:22 |
| ameng | dri | 05:22 |
| jebba | ameng: i think things like evas work fine and other opengl apps, if that's what you are asking. | 05:23 |
| jebba | http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/wireless/open-source-effort-to-hack-gsm | 05:26 |
| el_zilcho | to hell with you java swing :( | 05:27 |
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| ameng | jebba: I am curious how can opengl running without shutting down X server | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | current decay rate: 8%/h | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | during last 30 min | 05:30 |
| redeeman | DocScrutinizer51: how do you read that? | 05:30 |
| jebba | ameng: sry dunno | 05:31 |
| jebba | ameng: this works fine: /opt/supertux/supertux --opengl not sure if that answers what you are talking about at all tho | 05:32 |
| jebba | but supertux isn't killing X to use opengl | 05:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | redeeman, ~ $ lshal|grep percen;date | 05:34 |
| redeeman | ah so hal knows | 05:34 |
| redeeman | i wonder what it reads out from | 05:34 |
| el_zilcho | whoa | 05:34 |
| el_zilcho | you just made me feel like a n00b | 05:35 |
| el_zilcho | i've run lshal so many times and not realized ls hal | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | huh? | 05:35 |
| el_zilcho | i never realized what the command actually said | 05:36 |
| el_zilcho | list hal | 05:36 |
| el_zilcho | or whatever | 05:36 |
| el_zilcho | i always saw lshal as gibberish | 05:36 |
| ameng | jebba: thanks | 05:36 |
| el_zilcho | nm | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah | 05:36 |
| el_zilcho | i just never connected lshal and hal in my head | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | see lspci, lsusb | 05:37 |
| el_zilcho | yeah | 05:37 |
| el_zilcho | those are a little more obvious | 05:37 |
| el_zilcho | just slightly | 05:37 |
| el_zilcho | like i said, ifeel dumb :) | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, sometimes it,s just hard to guess. e.g. usr/ | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | unix system resources?? o.O | 05:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | down to 2 percent. still no warning of any kind | 05:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, 0% | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aaaaah. bat ow warning. and with loupe I see one red pixel in bat icon | 05:55 |
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| Flandry | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=408939&postcount=11 | 05:58 |
| Flandry | urge...to...killl | 05:58 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 06:02 |
| el_zilcho | understood | 06:02 |
| Flandry | Couldn't help myself :P http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=408995&postcount=12 | 06:04 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 06:04 |
| el_zilcho | what's the deal with all that anyways? i know nintendo was pissed over drnoksnes vids... but i was under the impression the emulation software is completely legal... i thought the big question was "zomg did someone at nokia have a rom? zomg" | 06:05 |
| microlith | el_zilcho: nintendo is more than willing to take a case to court and burn cash over that sort of thing | 06:06 |
| microlith | legal or not, win or lose, they'll make it painful | 06:07 |
| el_zilcho | yeah, true | 06:07 |
| el_zilcho | just means you can't get it from the official repos.... i don't see what all the user fuss is over | 06:07 |
| microlith | I think the fuss is because they were taken out of the repositories, I'm not up on all the details though. | 06:08 |
| jaem | yeah, I think it was overblown a bit | 06:08 |
| microlith | that they were in there at all kinda surprised me | 06:08 |
| jaem | I'd host a repo, but the only server I could do that on is in the US, and I don't want Nintendo coming after /me/ for doing something completely legal | 06:08 |
| jaem | lol | 06:08 |
| microlith | jaem: nintendo doesn't really pursue the issue unless they're -hugely visible- | 06:09 |
| el_zilcho | i've got .debs for it anyways | 06:09 |
| jaem | microlith, true, but if they really wanted to pursue it, then they might not stop at just getting it out of the official repos | 06:09 |
| jaem | I doubt they would, but just saying..,. | 06:09 |
| microlith | and the video was just visible enough (and technically, being used to promote a possible competitor's product) | 06:09 |
| Flandry | the user fuss is because most of the people who want emulators are completely incapable of installing from a deb | 06:09 |
| el_zilcho | it seems like emulators are in most of the major distros already | 06:10 |
| jaem | el_zilcho, they are | 06:10 |
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| microlith | this fact is not reported loudly, nor is it used in promotional videos for portable devices that could technically compete with Nintendo | 06:10 |
| crashanddie_mbp | yo | 06:10 |
| el_zilcho | that too | 06:11 |
| microlith | so long as it's not in the public eye, nintendo doesn't really care | 06:11 |
| microlith | because they know they can't | 06:11 |
| el_zilcho | yeah | 06:11 |
| el_zilcho | the publicity was the nail in the coffin i guess | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | actually | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | Nintendo DOES care | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | because once they lose, they can't do it again | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | so Nintendo doesn't want to risk it any more than necessary | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | they need to weigh the risks | 06:12 |
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| crashanddie_mbp | ~ping | 06:23 |
| infobot | ~pong | 06:23 |
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| wrapster | how do i port an app to maemo? | 06:37 |
| wrapster | where can i find the details.. | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, 50min full active with bl on a 0 charge bat | 06:40 |
| crashanddie_mbp | wrapster: seriously? | 06:40 |
| wrapster | yeah | 06:41 |
| crashanddie_mbp | wrapster: you can't even use google? | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | must be a magic cell ;-P | 06:41 |
| wrapster | crashanddie_mbp: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UsingPythonInMaemo#Porting_existing_applications | 06:41 |
| wrapster | thats what i found. | 06:41 |
| crashanddie_mbp | yeah, that's using python though, probably no good for you, depending on the language you want to use | 06:41 |
| wrapster | im on python only | 06:41 |
| crashanddie_mbp | oh, well, then what's the issue, does that page not document it enough? (didn't look at it, honest question) | 06:42 |
| wrapster | not quite well.. | 06:42 |
| wrapster | so if there are any external source i would like to know | 06:43 |
| crashanddie_mbp | what kind of information are you after? | 06:43 |
| wrapster | i just want to know how to write a .desktop file and where in the debian pkg dir should i place it? | 06:44 |
| wrapster | and supposing my app is called. process_mgmt.py should the .desktop file be called.. process_mgmt.desktop? | 06:45 |
| Flandry | yup | 06:48 |
| Flandry | whatever the debian package name will be | 06:49 |
| Flandry | grab a source package and look at the desktop file in the debian directory | 06:50 |
| Flandry | http://pastebin.com/m5734249a | 06:54 |
| Flandry | there's an example wrapster | 06:55 |
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| wrapster | the install command in the scratchbox does not have -t option... | 07:40 |
| wrapster | how do i specify the target dir | 07:41 |
| wrapster | if that be the case? | 07:41 |
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| el_zilcho | almost midnight, been here since 8am | 07:42 |
| johnx | el_zilcho, isn't someone supposed to come by and take the night shift from you? | 07:43 |
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| el_zilcho | i wish... i've got somewhat of a deadline to meet | 07:44 |
| el_zilcho | or my boss can't train the people he's supposed to train | 07:44 |
| DM_900 | heh it mever ends el_zilcho | 07:44 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 07:44 |
| el_zilcho | its ok, he's getting mostly smoke and mirrors | 07:44 |
| el_zilcho | he knows it too | 07:44 |
| wrapster | guys can anyone pls help its my first time with the maemo environment | 07:44 |
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| el_zilcho | what do you need to know? | 07:45 |
| el_zilcho | i may/may not be helpful | 07:45 |
| DM_900 | if someone knows the'll help | 07:45 |
| DM_900 | still getting uaed to the hwkb | 07:46 |
| el_zilcho | ditto | 07:46 |
| wrapster | el_zilcho: the install command in the scratchbox does not have -t option...how do i specify the target dir, if that be the case? | 07:46 |
| el_zilcho | its alright until i have to type non-letters | 07:46 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 07:46 |
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| el_zilcho | oh.... scratchbox... i set that up but never did anything with it :-/ | 07:47 |
| el_zilcho | what install command are you talking about? apt/dpkg stuff? | 07:47 |
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| wrapster | el_zilcho: currently im doing this. http://pastie.org/726993 | 07:48 |
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| el_zilcho | have you looked at the contents of the command "man install"? | 07:49 |
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| el_zilcho | i've not used that app before, but it says its just copying files and setting attributes | 07:49 |
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| el_zilcho | Usage: install [-cgmops] [sources] dest|directory | 07:51 |
| el_zilcho | so if -t is just the target/destination directory | 07:51 |
| wrapster | yeah i know' | 07:51 |
| el_zilcho | it seems you don't need the flag | 07:51 |
| DM_900 | el_zilcho: non letters are easy if there the blue -n non letters you dont gotta hold the Fn to use them like i thought in beginning | 07:51 |
| wrapster | hmm | 07:51 |
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| DM_900 | ahwell should go get some tea | 07:53 |
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| wrapster | el_zilcho: well i found a work around.. it was just a python script that i had to place in /urs/bin/ so i manually copied it to debian/pkgname/usr/bin and chmod 755 it.. good enough... ? | 07:56 |
| el_zilcho | yeah, like i said, i've never used that specific command before, but it sounds like simply a cp or mv and a chmod | 07:58 |
| el_zilcho | at least according to the descritpion i read | 07:58 |
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| RST38h | What is this crap with Russian N900 communities lately? | 08:20 |
| RST38h | Are they having a competition in who opens the "oldest" one or what? | 08:20 |
| johnx | "I liked Maemo before it was cool" | 08:21 |
| johnx | can we get that on a t-shirt | 08:21 |
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| RST38h | johnx: "liked" may be bad choice of a word | 08:22 |
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| el_zilcho | :) | 08:25 |
| * el_zilcho keeps his mouth shut and avoids making any comments about cultural stereotypes | 08:25 | |
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| RST38h | good. | 08:26 |
| el_zilcho | <-- only 1/4 russian | 08:27 |
| el_zilcho | heya kmfdm | 08:27 |
| johnx | el_zilcho, like the top 1/4? or just some part in the middle? | 08:27 |
| el_zilcho | little here little there | 08:27 |
| el_zilcho | scattered | 08:27 |
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| el_zilcho | unlike some other people i know IRL, i don't get into the 1-up sorta competitive attidtude like that though :) | 08:30 |
| johnx | ha! well I get into those 1-up competitions even less than you. so there :P | 08:31 |
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| el_zilcho | :) | 08:32 |
| Tester | how can I control the presnece in the public sdk ? | 08:32 |
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| Venomrush | how easy is it to write an account plugin for Facebook? | 08:34 |
| Tester | arg, using mc-tool | 08:34 |
| Venomrush | so those Facebook contacts that aren't using IM, we can still chat to them! | 08:34 |
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| luke-jr | Venomrush: pretty sure IM gateways exist | 08:40 |
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| wazd | hello everyone | 09:16 |
| mece2 | helllo | 09:17 |
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| ManuelSE | i hope feedback for xchat is positive. there is much to do but good work on changes so far | 09:23 |
| ManuelSE | server list.. | 09:24 |
| ManuelSE | is nicer than on pc | 09:24 |
| Venomrush | luke-jr: heh? | 09:26 |
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| Venomrush | luke-jr: other gateways yes, don't see Facebook though | 09:26 |
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| Xisdibik | ManuelSE: whose incharge of xchat on the n900? | 09:31 |
| ManuelSE | faheem | 09:32 |
| Xisdibik | oki | 09:34 |
| kirma | is it just me or does the cell-based locationing service n900 used congested? | 09:37 |
| kirma | I mean' much more so than monday last week | 09:37 |
| kirma | blinky satellite dish for indefinite periods, "@ Finland" as only iformation on IM | 09:38 |
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| kirma | considering it's nokia, it's almost... expected. | 09:39 |
| cehteh | mhm today is the 4th .. will the devices become available today really? | 09:40 |
| cehteh | i mean germany preordered :P | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | in your dreams | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | today the nightmare begins | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | you will be charged | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | and then your order CANCELLED | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | and you won't get a refund for a week | 09:41 |
| cehteh | i will not be charged | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | and then you'll need to pay $100 more | 09:41 |
| cehteh | cash on delivery | 09:41 |
| posixninja | so what exactly is so great about the n900? | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | for the same old retarded N900 | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 09:41 |
| Xisdibik | rofl luke | 09:41 |
| * adeus tries not to think like a programmer when answering that character vote | 09:42 | |
| cehteh | posixninja: its more open than the rest, native apps for best performance .. that are at least the criterias for me | 09:42 |
| luke-jr | adeus: I did it once, not doing it again | 09:42 |
| adeus | the thinking or the answering? :) | 09:43 |
| posixninja | i've heard about it, looks interesting, but I haven't really been following | 09:43 |
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| adeus | I don't understand why the reset the thing | 09:43 |
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| adeus | why not just let reanswer | 09:44 |
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| luke-jr | adeus: cuz then I need to recalculate which I'd miss more | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | Euro was like the last on my list | 09:44 |
| adeus | pound | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | I mean, who really uses the character? | 09:44 |
| adeus | then euro | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | pound is needed for shell comments | 09:44 |
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| luke-jr | and Perl | 09:45 |
| adeus | £ | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | oh | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | that pound | 09:45 |
| adeus | sterling :) | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 09:45 |
| adeus | ~ was my first | 09:45 |
| adeus | needed in urls | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | I was only thinking for home | 09:46 |
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| cosmo_ | adeus: isn't it %e7 or something in urls | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | cosmo_: no | 09:47 |
| adeus | what? | 09:48 |
| adeus | that would be the url encoding | 09:48 |
| adeus | and I don't type that when I'm accessing an url | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | adeus: ~ is a normal character in URIs | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | not encoded | 09:49 |
| adeus | yes but you can still endode it | 09:51 |
| adeus | try :) | 09:51 |
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| * DangerMaus just goes WOW agajn just how awsome this device is :) | 10:04 | |
| Stskeeps | what'd you try? | 10:04 |
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| DangerMaus | was messing with an app and the skype popped and ansawered a call | 10:05 |
| DangerMaus | didnt have to scramble to find the phone | 10:05 |
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| DangerMaus | yesterday was listing to inet radio checking over the clock map chatting here popping pics of stuff figuring out the hwkb and stumbling on shortcuts | 10:07 |
| DangerMaus | the webcam is awful.. or the mirror app is | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | DangerMaus: i think its just not calibrated right in kernel | 10:08 |
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| Stskeeps | i might be wrong | 10:09 |
| DangerMaus | lotta colored snow | 10:09 |
| cehteh | a lot people say that | 10:09 |
| DangerMaus | hey its linux get a better driver:P | 10:10 |
| DangerMaus | nothing new there | 10:10 |
| Myrtti | here's a thought | 10:10 |
| cehteh | either just software which keeps the gain to high or its really crap | 10:10 |
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| DangerMaus | but when propper it'll rock! | 10:10 |
| Myrtti | would Alice be portable to Maemo? http://castrojo.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/alice-where-have-you-been-all-my-life/ | 10:10 |
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| Myrtti | or whatever handwaving is necessary to make it work? | 10:11 |
| DangerMaus | gotta get on with my sister and ask her how the cam is at the other end | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: not sure perl on device is good enough for it. maybe? since irssi works | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: it could work remotely probably though | 10:12 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: was just thinking since *cough* xchat isn't really that... erm. nice. atleast to me | 10:12 |
| Myrtti | perhaps more variation in irc clients would make people happier? | 10:13 |
| Myrtti | then there's of course webirssi | 10:13 |
| DangerMaus | bah irssi !! | 10:13 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: Perl is far more efficient than PHP or Python | 10:13 |
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| mece2 | Irssi works fine. irc eats batteries though if you're on 3G | 10:14 |
| DangerMaus | lol.. | 10:14 |
| DangerMaus | havent had the pleasure yet | 10:14 |
| Myrtti | mece2: and breathing eats oxygen | 10:14 |
| Myrtti | you'd better stop or we'll run out | 10:15 |
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| DangerMaus | :) | 10:15 |
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| mece2 | Myrtti, well it was not criticism, I just noticed that the batteries didn't last very long when idling on irc. | 10:15 |
| mece2 | Irssi is pretty sweet either way. | 10:16 |
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| DangerMaus | add music to that | 10:16 |
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| DangerMaus | gonna have to install wifi everywhere i hang out then | 10:17 |
| Myrtti | I just bought a new fonera 2.0n | 10:18 |
| mece2 | DangerMaus, yeah. A huge difference. | 10:18 |
| Myrtti | it's pretty sweet | 10:18 |
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| DangerMaus | was on here allday yeasteday with inet radio going | 10:18 |
| DangerMaus | anyone find a nice case or armor for this thing yet? | 10:19 |
| Myrtti | ooh, good reminder | 10:20 |
| Myrtti | I could knit my N800 a new pouch | 10:20 |
| mece2 | Knitta please! | 10:20 |
| DangerMaus | hehe | 10:20 |
| DangerMaus | found one digicam pouch from lowepro bout $14 | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | i found a N-series pouch in a polish shop | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | works for me | 10:21 |
| Myrtti | DangerMaus: I'd be surprised if Nokia wouldn't have any | 10:21 |
| DangerMaus | they dont over here yet | 10:21 |
| DangerMaus | they got a something or other over in EU | 10:22 |
| DangerMaus | in white or black | 10:22 |
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| * cehteh plans to DIY a rugged neoprene shell, with thermoformed abs plastic inserts and display accessible while inserted | 10:25 | |
| mece2 | My pants have a protective case included. Some people call it a pocket ;) | 10:25 |
| cehteh | when that works well i may make a few more and sell them :P | 10:25 |
| DangerMaus | i have one pair of cargo pants with a padded pocket | 10:26 |
| DangerMaus | even just a neoprene wrap | 10:26 |
| ManuelSE | mece2 that would be a nice t.m.o. tagline | 10:26 |
| DangerMaus | w is t.m.o. | 10:26 |
| mece2 | talk | 10:26 |
| cehteh | well i want something where the device survives falling on concrete without problems .. maybe making bike mount for it later | 10:27 |
| ManuelSE | talk.maemo.org | 10:27 |
| * RST38h yawns and says hello to Myrtti | 10:27 | |
| DangerMaus | ahh | 10:27 |
| RST38h | centeh: Moto RAZR? =) | 10:27 |
| ManuelSE | this n900 has fallen from table onto concrete | 10:27 |
| DangerMaus | & | 10:27 |
| ManuelSE | i see no damage | 10:27 |
| DangerMaus | better you than me | 10:27 |
| cehteh | yeah talking about falling from bike at 30km :) | 10:28 |
| ManuelSE | i congratulate nokia | 10:28 |
| ManuelSE | but tripping over the cable pulled usb connector off board | 10:28 |
| cehteh | so far i heard its quite rugged, but well its expensive and i want to be sure | 10:28 |
| mece2 | hm pulsating yellow means charging I guess. I really like the little led :) | 10:28 |
| RST38h | [Dear talk.maemo.org! Please, memorize that I want CLASSIC skin, not the gaudy MAEMO skin, and DO NOT give me this shit again. Thank you.] | 10:28 |
| DangerMaus | i used to be afraid for my old razr hitting concrete but they bounced well | 10:28 |
| ManuelSE | so charging is delicate | 10:28 |
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| DangerMaus | haha | 10:29 |
| * mece2 doesn't get it | 10:29 | |
| DangerMaus | another guy did that lastnight while here | 10:29 |
| DangerMaus | tripped over cable | 10:29 |
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| mece2 | ouch.. did he rip out the usb port? | 10:29 |
| DangerMaus | device bounced | 10:30 |
| DangerMaus | this isnt a mac | 10:30 |
| ManuelSE | does anyone here see delays entering text in some webpages in browser? | 10:30 |
| mece2 | doesn't macs bounce? | 10:30 |
| pekuja | isn't today supposed to be the day N900's start shipping for non-preorderers? | 10:30 |
| mece2 | ManuelSE, in some, yes | 10:30 |
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| ManuelSE | only happens in windows like google with assistance? | 10:30 |
| DangerMaus | some yep | 10:30 |
| wrapster | i created a pkg and installed it as well.. | 10:31 |
| wrapster | but i dont see the .desktop file ... | 10:31 |
| wrapster | where should i place it? | 10:31 |
| cehteh | pekuja: haha .. many preorders are not yet shipped | 10:31 |
| DangerMaus | and cant get it to highlightr easily on some text boxes | 10:31 |
| ManuelSE | is that some javascript we can disable? | 10:31 |
| ManuelSE | right! | 10:31 |
| ManuelSE | im not the only one! | 10:31 |
| DangerMaus | but that is prob me | 10:31 |
| pekuja | cehteh: preorders directly from Nokia? | 10:32 |
| DangerMaus | eek | 10:32 |
| cehteh | prolly yes .. dunno .. but well i preordered somewhere else | 10:32 |
| pekuja | yeah, me too | 10:32 |
| ManuelSE | dangermaus have you a bugs.marmo.org account? | 10:32 |
| mece2 | ManuelSE I think it's sites that have inefficient js functions on the input boxes that are slow | 10:32 |
| pekuja | ordered from my operator | 10:33 |
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| pekuja | will see if it ships | 10:33 |
| DangerMaus | not yet ManuelSE | 10:33 |
| mece2 | pekuja, moi ossi. I have mine at the postoffice. | 10:33 |
| ManuelSE | mece2 can you imagine a browser hack to disable that stuff? | 10:33 |
| DangerMaus | not the greatest but wrighter ManuelSE | 10:33 |
| mece2 | ManuelSE, hmm. a shortcut key to disable javascript perhaps? | 10:34 |
| pekuja | I'm not in much of a rush to get the phone right now, because I'm sick anyhow | 10:34 |
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| DangerMaus | prbo a good a time as any to set one up | 10:34 |
| pekuja | mece2: ossi? | 10:34 |
| hotaru2k3 | i've got a question... i hooked up my phone to the usb port on my n810 and turned on mobile network sharing. when i run ifconfig on the n810 it shows a usb network connection, but i can't seem to get it to send or recieve any packets. what do i need to do to fix this? | 10:34 |
| mece2 | pekuja, then you would have time to play with it all day long! | 10:34 |
| ManuelSE | please tell me if it works for you dangermaus | 10:34 |
| mece2 | pekuja, "me too" | 10:34 |
| ManuelSE | do you already have an account on talk.maemo.org? | 10:34 |
| wrapster | can anybody tell me the name of some pkg that i can download and have a look at.. to see how to write the .desktop file | 10:34 |
| DangerMaus | yeah | 10:35 |
| wrapster | pls | 10:35 |
| ManuelSE | create a talk account first, dangermaus | 10:35 |
| DangerMaus | got it | 10:35 |
| ManuelSE | please | 10:35 |
| DangerMaus | not on this nooc | 10:35 |
| DangerMaus | nic | 10:35 |
| pekuja | mece2: heh, yeah, but if I'm stuck at home, I could just as well play with my PC, which does more ;-) | 10:35 |
| pekuja | mece2: isn't the cool part of having a fancy phone that you can do cool stuff while you aren't at home? | 10:36 |
| mece2 | pekuja, moi ossi is peculiar to finns I guess. I meant me too, in french :) | 10:36 |
| DangerMaus | ManuelSE, too many nicks | 10:36 |
| pekuja | mece2: yeah, because "moi" means "hi" and "ossi" is a name in Finnish | 10:36 |
| * mece2 is finnish ;) | 10:37 | |
| pekuja | yeah, that's why it was confusing | 10:37 |
| pekuja | checked your whois | 10:37 |
| * smaug_ wonders if there is some reasonable well working email client for maemo 5 | 10:37 | |
| wrapster | guys can anyone pls help me? | 10:37 |
| wrapster | name any app for which there is a .desktop file.. i want to look at it. | 10:38 |
| mece2 | smaug_, Mutt? | 10:38 |
| cehteh | smaug_: tell me when you found one :) .. claws mail prolly | 10:38 |
| ManuelSE | something ncurses based perhaps? | 10:38 |
| ManuelSE | heh mutt | 10:38 |
| mece2 | I've been hearing good things about mutt | 10:39 |
| pekuja | so M5 doesn't ship with a reasonable well working email client? | 10:39 |
| ManuelSE | of course it does | 10:39 |
| ManuelSE | lol | 10:39 |
| cehteh | well | 10:39 |
| ManuelSE | depends on your use case | 10:39 |
| Myrtti | I use claws on my desktop ♥ | 10:39 |
| * DangerMaus pounds fists ... cant never find maemo buggsy | 10:39 | |
| mece2 | pekuja, depends on how you use it I suppose. Some are more demanding than others | 10:39 |
| pekuja | yeah | 10:39 |
| ManuelSE | dangermaus - i never find bugs | 10:40 |
| smaug_ | pekuja: maemo5's email client really can't handle my gmail | 10:40 |
| hotaru2k3 | if it does that's one advantage it has over android | 10:40 |
| ManuelSE | never succeeded at a bugs.maemo.org search | 10:40 |
| cehteh | modest has problems with large imap boxes, no imap idle support and no threaded view or? | 10:40 |
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| cehteh | and cant subscribe to imap folder induvidually | 10:40 |
| smaug_ | pekuja: and it can't handle imap subfolders properly | 10:40 |
| pekuja | :-( | 10:40 |
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| smaug_ | fortunately gmail works well in the browse | 10:41 |
| ManuelSE | ceteh, is the modest client open source? | 10:41 |
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| smaug_ | browser | 10:41 |
| ManuelSE | that stuff sounds fixable | 10:41 |
| mece2 | cehteh, what happens with large imap boxes? | 10:41 |
| Lorthirk | g'morning | 10:41 |
| pekuja | everything is fixable | 10:41 |
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| pekuja | the beauty of Maemo | 10:41 |
| pekuja | obviously some stuff takes more fixing than others | 10:41 |
| ManuelSE | fixable for noobs | 10:41 |
| smaug_ | mece2: everything is *very* slow with large imap boxes | 10:41 |
| ManuelSE | that might require more rework | 10:42 |
| mece2 | well that's not good. What is a big box then? I have 1773 messages says my webmail | 10:42 |
| smaug_ | I have 100000+ emails in my gmail | 10:43 |
| adeus | error no space left on device | 10:43 |
| adeus | ffuuuu | 10:43 |
| Pavlov | modest kind of sucks for large email boxes | 10:44 |
| Pavlov | smaug_: even with like 10k, you're screwed ;/ | 10:44 |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, ping? | 10:46 |
| GAN900 | (hello from BCN, by the way!) | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | pong | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, in development, modest couldn't handle 40k gmail boxes | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | they explicitly declared it a non goal | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | rumor has it an update changes that | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | (tested by using the bugzilla mailbox filler algorithm) | 10:48 |
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| DangerMaus | hey timeless_mbp | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | hi | 10:50 |
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| * timeless_mbp pokes GAN900 | 10:52 | |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp: sorry, the repo isn't working here. | 10:52 |
| GAN900 | .install not found. | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | wrong move script, hold | 10:53 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp: the Transifex guy is sitting next to me. | 10:53 |
| DangerMaus | heheh' | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: reload | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | i.e. click again | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | transifex? | 10:53 |
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| GAN900 | There it guys | 10:54 |
| GAN900 | Uh, the localization software we picked for community l10n on maemo.org | 10:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah um | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | we definitely need to talk | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | do they have a phone number/ | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | or something like a room where you and them and i can talk | 10:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | because there's an interesting problem pending for a hypothetical service release | 10:55 |
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| el_zilcho | barcelona is the place to be? | 10:56 |
| GAN900 | el_zilcho: apparently. | 10:57 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 10:57 |
| jebba900 | bcn qik | 10:58 |
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| mece2 | Man I'd love to have some Sangria @ Placa Reial right about now... | 10:59 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: is the .install working? | 11:00 |
| Myrtti | isn't it a bit early for Sangria? | 11:00 |
| Lynoure | depends on the timezone... | 11:00 |
| DangerMaus | ok gotta stop eating cheetos when playing with device | 11:00 |
| mece2 | a tanque cerveza then. | 11:00 |
| * mece2 is slightly hung over from last night office xmas party | 11:01 | |
| Myrtti | Lynoure: Finland ;-) | 11:02 |
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| mece2 | It's 11 here already. waay past beer o'clock | 11:03 |
| el_zilcho | 4am | 11:04 |
| mece2 | not really though. I meant that it would be nice to be in Barcelona instead. | 11:04 |
| el_zilcho | O.o | 11:04 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 11:09 | |
| Lorthirk | men, i'm so pissed off this morning | 11:11 |
| Lorthirk | dell postponed a laptop shipping to 22/01/2010 | 11:11 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 11:12 |
| Lorthirk | i have to get back an n900 for a replacement and it seems that they're still not in stock | 11:12 |
| * GAN900 doesn't have enough Spanish for this keynote. | 11:12 | |
| Lorthirk | who should i kill to get what I paid a lot of bucks? | 11:12 |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, yes. | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry about that, my "setup repo" "script" is a commandline which has an overaggressive wildcard :( | 11:13 |
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| Lorthirk | i definitely need to find something to do. | 11:15 |
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| bilboed-tp | lcuk, you in the auditori ? | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | Lorthirk: got an n900? | 11:17 |
| Lorthirk | not at the moment | 11:17 |
| Lorthirk | i sent back mine for some headset problems | 11:18 |
| Lorthirk | and still waiting for the new one | 11:18 |
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| * Lorthirk appreciates a lot | 11:27 | |
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| SpeedEvil | with 'mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1' - the front camera - I see _horrible_ noise - unless the scene is actually sunlit, and even then the left ~128 pixels seem dark. Anyone else see this? | 11:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Or is mplayer doing something wrong? | 11:29 |
| SpeedEvil | (mirror doesn't install) | 11:29 |
| mece2 | aah! came up with an application I want (and will make) | 11:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | mece2: A motion capture theramin? | 11:32 |
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| mece2 | SpeedEvil, YES! How'd you guess? | 11:35 |
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| Lorthirk | SpeedEvil: the dark bar is an already fixed bug in next firmware version | 11:40 |
| Lorthirk | for the noise keep in mind that this is 0,3mpx camera | 11:40 |
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| * andre__ confirms that it's fixed internally | 11:40 | |
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| TomaszD | hello | 11:41 |
| TomaszD | :) | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: an irc addict always knows his way there | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:41 |
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| TomaszD | heh | 11:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Lorthirk: irrelevant. | 11:42 |
| Lorthirk | technically, yes | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Lorthirk: I have 0.3mp $5 webcams that are much, mucj better | 11:43 |
| Lorthirk | but i mean, don't expect an high quality camera :) | 11:43 |
| Lorthirk | however maybe something is being fixed with next firmware as well | 11:43 |
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| Lorthirk | however i can assure you that i had a lot of noise too, so it's not a problem of yours | 11:44 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if the front camera is socketed as the back one. | 11:44 | |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 11:44 |
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| anilg | Hi All.. I have packaging question | 11:47 |
| anilg | how do i specify a directory to dh_installdocs so it does not automatically install to $tmp/usr/share/docs .. I'm trying to get it to install to $tmp/opt/share/docs | 11:47 |
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| anilg | or is this the wrong room for the question | 11:47 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe use maemo-optify? | 11:49 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, the l1/l2 pdf is up somewhere. | 11:50 |
| * GAN900 really wishes they had made the nametag text bigger. | 11:50 | |
| * GAN900 also needs to find a pen to put his nick on here. | 11:50 | |
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| Lynoure | GAN900: where are you? | 11:51 |
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| * anilg is writing an optifying script | 11:51 | |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: more importantly, are you roaming? :P | 11:52 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: he should be @BCN | 11:53 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: Baja California Norte? | 11:54 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: yeah - read it - but don't recall it being | 11:55 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: asked because it sounded like some event, possibly maemo related and I have been in a barrel last couple of weeks | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=airport+bcn | 11:55 |
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| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: nametags at airports, with irc nicks on them, seem weird. | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | http://lmgtfy.com/search?q=maemo%20bcn | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: sorry, airport codes are a convenient, and often amusing shorthand for a region | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. i'm @HEL most of the time | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a lot faster than writing Helsinki | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | and if i write @MEX, i can't manage to misspell Mexico's capital city as Cuidad de México, unlike e..g http://www.flagship.nokia.com/ ... | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | s/e..g/e.g./ | 11:57 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: and if i write @MEX, i can't manage to misspell Mexico's capital city as Cuidad de México, unlike e.g. http://www.flagship.nokia.com/ ... | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: speaking of which | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | i finally found the ovi manager for the spanish-latin america botch | 11:58 |
| GAN900 | Lynoure, 3rd row from the front left side | 11:58 |
| GAN900 | Between Aniello and VDVsx | 11:58 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, no cellular at all. | 11:58 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps. reasonable WiFi here. | 11:58 |
| GAN900 | Ah, perhaps less specific. :# | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | their team claims they're aware they have problems and they've hired someone to help coordinate things | 11:58 |
| GAN900 | Lynoure, Maemo Barcelona Long Weekend. | 11:58 |
| Lynoure | GAN900: unfortunately I'm not there... stuck at work still for today. | 11:58 |
| GAN900 | Still deserves as ass kicking. | 11:58 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: I'm a tad acronym blind, which adds to confusion :) But got it now. | 11:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | as => an? | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: i happen to use them often, it dates to my {undermac} days (irc.undernet.org #macintosh) | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | -- the bot their would answer to airport code queries | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug_: so, lunch? | 12:01 |
| Lynoure | Some week starting the next one, it might be delightful to have lunch with Hki maemo ppl. | 12:02 |
| redeeman | sivang: ping | 12:02 |
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| smaug_ | timeless_mbp: yeah, could do | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug_: pizza hut? | 12:03 |
| smaug_ | timeless_mbp: hmm, haven't eaten pizza for awhile, so yeah, sounds ok | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | tennispalace? | 12:04 |
| smaug_ | yup | 12:04 |
| smaug_ | 13:00? | 12:04 |
| smaug_ | or earlier? | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 12:05 |
| smaug_ | 13:00 then | 12:05 |
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| Stskeeps | http://simcity.ea.com/coolstuff/sc3k_music/index.php <3 | 12:10 |
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| IcanCU | so nokia is going to continue to bet on 2 horses? | 12:11 |
| Myrtti | IcanCU: huh? | 12:13 |
| IcanCU | symbian and maemo | 12:13 |
| Myrtti | and this is news to you because...? | 12:13 |
| tbf | IcanCU: one horse proven to be somewhat a cash cow... | 12:13 |
| petrux | IcanCU: good question. :-) | 12:13 |
| tbf | IcanCU: and an experimental OS for the future | 12:14 |
| tbf | nothing wrong with that | 12:14 |
| Myrtti | they've never, ever said they're going to drop symbian | 12:14 |
| IcanCU | true | 12:14 |
| tbf | IcanCU: actually they even have 3 or 4 operating systems | 12:14 |
| tbf | IcanCU: all the different active symbian variants, and maemo | 12:14 |
| IcanCU | you mean like s60 s30? | 12:14 |
| IcanCU | etc | 12:14 |
| Myrtti | s40 ♥ | 12:14 |
| tbf | IcanCU: yup. | 12:14 |
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| tbf | Myrtti: yup, dropping symbian just was jounalist's sensationism | 12:15 |
| GAN900 | IcanCU, Maemo doesn't work on most of the hardware Symbian does. | 12:15 |
| IcanCU | how come? | 12:16 |
| IcanCU | maemo need horsepower? | 12:16 |
| tbf | IcanCU: yup | 12:16 |
| Myrtti | s60 doesn't work on most of the most sold handsets | 12:16 |
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| Myrtti | even less maemo | 12:16 |
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| Myrtti | *cough* or rather, maemo or s60 doesn't work on most of the devices Nokia puts its hope of gaining market share | 12:17 |
| IcanCU | i guess | 12:20 |
| redeeman | linux can easily run on smaller hardware though, so they could create a simpler less demanding environment | 12:20 |
| IcanCU | but horsepower will come standard in the future | 12:20 |
| suihkulokki | The "Cash Cow" is the dirt-cheap phones sold in volume in 3rd world countries | 12:20 |
| IcanCU | specs of phons are increasing everyday | 12:20 |
| IcanCU | phones | 12:21 |
| redeeman | but | 12:21 |
| redeeman | N900 is pushing it | 12:21 |
| redeeman | the battery life is not very good | 12:21 |
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| redeeman | it should ATLEAST last 24 hours with moderate usage | 12:21 |
| suihkulokki | ..and from these profits one can afford to put R&D effort to create new shiny high-end phones like n900 | 12:21 |
| GAN900 | redeeman, realistic expectations are important. | 12:21 |
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| Stskeeps | redeeman: how long does your netbook last? :) | 12:22 |
| redeeman | this is possible if they had done more for powersaving | 12:22 |
| GAN900 | Currently there are limits in technology. | 12:22 |
| GAN900 | Pfft | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | redeeman: they have done quite a lot for power saving, trust me :) | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | redeeman: changes are you have a wifi that doesn't support PSM for instance | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | chances | 12:22 |
| GAN900 | Nokia is a big driver of mobile power saving in Linux. :) | 12:22 |
| redeeman | GAN900: theres a limit to how much of that is upstreamed atleast | 12:23 |
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| Stskeeps | redeeman: OMAP3 PM is upstreamed quite a bit | 12:23 |
| redeeman | im a consulant, and i deal with companies using the same OMAP platform, granted, not with a GSM modem, but their stuff can idle 2 days on a similarly sized battery | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | redeeman: idle.. | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:23 |
| mece2 | is there "less" for fremantle somewhere? | 12:23 |
| redeeman | well try that with the N900 | 12:23 |
| redeeman | that too includes some amount of work | 12:24 |
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| Myrtti | idle in n900 is a bit different than idle with a device without gsm chip | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | redeeman: frankly, i'm happy that i can make my n900 sleep (charge) when i sleep | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | that's sufficient for me | 12:24 |
| redeeman | very true, however, i know a radio doesn't use terribly much | 12:25 |
| mece2 | Stskeeps, ditto | 12:25 |
| redeeman | an elcheapo nokia phone can idle 14 days on a battery 2/3 the capacity of the N900 | 12:25 |
| redeeman | perhaps even a tad less capacity | 12:25 |
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| Myrtti | how much is the difference in battery capacity and idle time between N900 and iphone? | 12:26 |
| redeeman | no idea, i doubt the iphone is better | 12:26 |
| Myrtti | again, comparing elcheapo and n900 is meaningless | 12:26 |
| tbf | redeeman: if you put the n900 really on idle, it can survive almost 90 hours | 12:26 |
| redeeman | Myrtti: i was using the measurements of the elcheapo phone to get an idea of what a radio takes | 12:26 |
| tbf | redeeman: but what's the use of an N900 with everything deactivated? | 12:26 |
| glass_ | you're contactable | 12:27 |
| Myrtti | redeeman: elcheapo has wifi, bluetooth, big screen and 3G? | 12:27 |
| glass_ | someone can call you, that is | 12:27 |
| redeeman | Myrtti: big screen is irellevant if unpowered | 12:27 |
| tbf | glass_: "everything disabled" means "even GSM" disabled | 12:27 |
| redeeman | and 3g is irellevant too as im not covered here | 12:27 |
| glass_ | tbf: ah well then | 12:27 |
| DM_900 | is there a command to send the current channels/settings in irssi to the config? | 12:27 |
| glass_ | tbf: then it's off | 12:27 |
| redeeman | tbf: how long with gsm on? | 12:27 |
| glass_ | :D | 12:27 |
| Myrtti | redeeman: ah, but do you have 3g enabled on the phone, even if you're not in the area that has 3G? | 12:28 |
| tbf | glass_: well, you can wake it up instantly. ;-) | 12:28 |
| tbf | glass_: so a little advantage is left over entirely disabling it | 12:28 |
| tbf | ehm. turning it off. | 12:28 |
| redeeman | Myrtti: it writes "2.5" under the indicator | 12:28 |
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| mece2 | what's the name of the ip widget again? | 12:28 |
| redeeman | Myrtti: im unaware of any way to force it into non-3g mode | 12:29 |
| tbf | redeeman: i once had it running for almost 2 days with only GSM enabled, but don't consider this a proper measurement | 12:29 |
| Myrtti | redeeman: but do you have 3G enabled on your phone? I can set my N95 to use 2G, 3G or both. Choosing either saves battery a lot, having both makes it last less. | 12:29 |
| redeeman | Myrtti: also when you're not in a 3G area? | 12:29 |
| redeeman | Myrtti: don't think i can disable 3g | 12:30 |
| Myrtti | redeeman: I'd assume that if you could set the n900 to use only 2G, your results would be comparable. with 3G enabled, but not reachable, I'd assume the device keeps searching for the network, and uses battery a lot | 12:31 |
| plr_ | oh wow, just installed diskusage and noticed that / only has 6,4mb free left.. | 12:31 |
| tbf | plr_: many non-optified packages installed? | 12:31 |
| redeeman | i have 79MB free | 12:32 |
| tbf | plr_: there should be more space on / | 12:32 |
| plr_ | tbf I haven't installed that many, there must be something big though | 12:32 |
| plr_ | what's the best way to find out? | 12:32 |
| redeeman | where are apps meant to be installed? | 12:32 |
| plr_ | redeeman root, but if they have big files, those should go to /opt or something | 12:32 |
| tbf | redeeman: apps are meant to install to /opt, which has 2 GB (AFAIR) | 12:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Myrtti: redeeman: settings -> pphone -> network mode -> 2g | 12:33 |
| redeeman | /opt is not a different mountpoint here | 12:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Or rather 'GSM' | 12:33 |
| Myrtti | SpeedEvil: great, so now redeeman can try to make a meaningful comparison | 12:33 |
| Myrtti | well, a bit more meaningful | 12:33 |
| redeeman | yeah, thanks | 12:34 |
| tbf | redeeman: /opt is implemented as symlink | 12:34 |
| redeeman | i think if it can withstand moderate usage and last 24 hours, that's pretty much perfect | 12:34 |
| redeeman | yes, opt -> /home/opt | 12:34 |
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| redeeman | tbf: how do i check if my accesspoint is crappy? | 12:35 |
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| redeeman | i set the power limit to 10mW | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | redeeman: that's only for french, really | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:35 |
| redeeman | but it uses less power, and it works inside the house | 12:36 |
| redeeman | 1 step outside and its dead though, lol | 12:36 |
| redeeman | with full power i can go long outside | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | redeeman: battery.charge_level.percentage = 91 (0x5b) (int) | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | redeeman: lshal that is | 12:37 |
| redeeman | yeah | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | (to see battery level) | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be nice if it would do dynamic | 12:37 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: hm, did they just announce no n900 maemo6? (saw a twitter) | 12:40 |
| * w00t prepares the chainsaw | 12:41 | |
| SpeedEvil | I can't seem to find any statistics relating to retransmitted packets in /sys/class/wlan0/statistics/ | 12:43 |
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| Stskeeps | lizardo: thanks for pymaemo liblocation, you just saved my thesis a lot of trouble ;) | 12:44 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. /sys/class/net/wlan0/wireless/retries ? | 12:44 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, more or less. | 12:44 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, who's surprise. | 12:45 |
| GAN900 | Multi | 12:45 |
| Myrtti | I thought that was no news | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: any specific statement? :P | 12:45 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, it was in Spanish, um. | 12:46 |
| GAN900 | Guy asked about compat breaks between m5 and m6. | 12:47 |
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| GAN900 | and Quim said something about multi being an issue. | 12:47 |
| Myrtti | multitouch? | 12:47 |
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| lizardo | Stskeeps: nice :) | 12:48 |
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| wazd_ | guys, where should I get VAT number? :) | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | for russia? :P | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | in DDP i think people generally agreed to leave it out or something | 12:55 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: it's required | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | there's some advice in the DDP thread i think | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: yeah.. cos FN deals with companies and not individuals, and that's why this is a bit weird :P | 12:57 |
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| wazd_ | Stskeeps: I've made it 0000000000 :) | 12:58 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: whatever :) | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | morning jeremiah | 12:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | smaug_: oops, in transit | 13:00 |
| hrw | morning | 13:01 |
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| florian | hi hrw | 13:03 |
| sivang | redeeman: pong, I will be back soon, have to run now | 13:03 |
| sivang | redeeman: mail me if you want | 13:03 |
| redeeman | sivang: address? | 13:03 |
| sivang | redeeman: sivang ___ AT _______ gmail.com | 13:03 |
| redeeman | okay, thanks | 13:03 |
| sivang | redeeman: k ? | 13:03 |
| sivang | redeeman: cool, talk to you soon | 13:04 |
| redeeman | yeah, have fun | 13:04 |
| sivang | morning all btw :) | 13:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | oops | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i got the nokia progress balls to appear in front of the nokia blue on white background :) | 13:05 |
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| GAN900 | UX track starting | 13:07 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: nice one | 13:08 |
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| Sho_ | Does anyone know if the N900 is capable of playing back 640x368 xvid reasonably comfortably? | 13:10 |
| ccooke | Morning, all | 13:10 |
| plr_ | sho I would say yes | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | Sho_: No problem at all. | 13:10 |
| Sho_ | wonderful | 13:10 |
| plr_ | the ones I have tried have played flawlessly without any conversions | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: welcome back from holiday, had a good one? | 13:11 |
| * Sho_ prepares to throw away all transcoding software used for his n810 and g1 | 13:11 | |
| Sho_ | freeeee! ^^ | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Still hiding a bit today ;) Will be back in full force on monday. | 13:11 |
| plr_ | Sho_: yeah I didn't like transcoding stuff for mobile at all | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, hiding seems like a good choice ;) | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | Sho_: You don't need to transcode at all? | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | Sho_: I play desktop xvids just fine? | 13:11 |
| PaulFertser | Sho_: unless you try to run blob-free :| | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Creating a todo list by scanning my inbox atm.. | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: One month of mail backlog is quite a bit. | 13:12 |
| Sho_ | X-Fade: not for the n810 or g1 :) | 13:12 |
| Sho_ | X-Fade: err, I mean, for the n810 or the g1 i do have to transcode | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | Sho_: Pfff old tech ;) | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah.. some people say that people lose the effect of their holidays cos of the huge amount of work piled up while they were gone | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:13 |
| Sho_ | X-Fade: according to you, i no longer will have to for the n900 | 13:13 |
| Sho_ | X-Fade: hence: i can throw away the transcoding soft ;) | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | Sho_: i play my totally legal tv episodes on my n900 just fine | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | some have issues but so it is | 13:13 |
| Sho_ | Stskeeps: :) | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah that is true. Preparing for a holiday and caching up really sets you back. | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | Hmm this reminds me, I need to check if I can play my tv shows recorded on my dreambox over wifi on my N900 now. | 13:14 |
| GAN900 | X-Fade! | 13:14 |
| Sho_ | ah, it seems there will be an official vlc build for maemo | 13:15 |
| X-Fade | Seems mpeg2 ts support was added in the codec pack. | 13:15 |
| Sho_ | nifty | 13:15 |
| GAN900 | Looks like the WiFi blocks IRC | 13:15 |
| GAN900 | Think I'm the only one here that's on. | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: tomaszd was on webchat earlier | 13:15 |
| xorAxAx | regarding the low standby time of the n900: why is the palm pre much better here (factor 2-3)? | 13:15 |
| X-Fade | xorAxAx: Huh? | 13:16 |
| xorAxAx | (even though it has less battery capacity) | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Open device, and paste for x in lp5523\:kb*/brightness ;do echo 4096 >$x;sleep 1;done | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | into shell :) | 13:16 |
| Sho_ | the n810 had an awesome standby time, even with wlan on | 13:16 |
| xorAxAx | X-Fade: whats unclear? | 13:16 |
| X-Fade | xorAxAx: It can stay standy on wiki and 3G for days and days? | 13:16 |
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| X-Fade | lol. s/wiki/wifi/ | 13:16 |
| ccooke | Hmm. My wife's n900 (on mobile phones direct) is listed as "ready for dispatch" on the order tracker. | 13:16 |
| xorAxAx | X-Fade: yes | 13:16 |
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| frals_ | the pre can standby for weeks? | 13:17 |
| xorAxAx | for 13 days they claim | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | n900 should be able to do that easily? | 13:17 |
| ccooke | X-Fade: depends on implementation | 13:18 |
| X-Fade | Weren't there rundown test published somewhere? | 13:18 |
| X-Fade | n810 was 28 days orso? :) | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | 28 days with s2ram, i think | 13:19 |
| xorAxAx | can somebody find the 3G rundown stats of the pre? | 13:21 |
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| xorAxAx | indeed, 13 days are too much to be true | 13:21 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps: fanoush did ~30 with normal idle. | 13:21 |
| xorAxAx | GAN900: whats that? | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, that is what I thought. | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Can anyone work out how to force on the LEDs on the keyboard when there is ambient light? | 13:22 |
| *** X-Fade sets mode: -o X-Fade | 13:22 | |
| GAN900 | WiFi off, screen off, no activity | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | The fact that they are individually accessible is cool. | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure what can be done with this though. | 13:22 |
| xorAxAx | SpeedEvil: poke somewhere into /proc or /sys? | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | xorAxAx: prolly | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | the above script gives a rather crap 'light show' :) | 13:24 |
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| X-Fade | GAN900: How are you doing? Joined the UX weekend? | 13:25 |
| xorAxAx | why is the n900 better than the palm pre again? :) | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | Better OS? Better hardware? | 13:27 |
| xorAxAx | but less apps, right? | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | GSM? :) | 13:28 |
| GAN900 | GAN900: yeah, in the concepting presentation atm | 13:28 |
| xorAxAx | the pre doesnt have gsm? | 13:28 |
| GAN900 | xorAxAx: open OS, open platform | 13:28 |
| GAN900 | No, Sprint CDMA | 13:28 |
| xorAxAx | the european one as well? | 13:28 |
| X-Fade | There is a gsm pre as well. | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | not sure about euro one though | 13:28 |
| * Sargun wonders why MfE isn't working | 13:29 | |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: either way, whatever handset you choose is your own choice :P i love my n900 and it has revolutionized my mobile usage. | 13:29 |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: sounds good :) in which ways? | 13:29 |
| zerojay | That's why I feel so completely naked because mine's now dead. | 13:30 |
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| Sargun | the good ones | 13:30 |
| xorAxAx | zerojay: oh, what happened? | 13:30 |
| Sargun | zerojay, you n900 died? | 13:30 |
| zerojay | Yep. | 13:30 |
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| GAN900 | er, s/GAN900/X-Fade/ | 13:30 |
| zerojay | Same thing that happened to Texrat. | 13:30 |
| zerojay | The micro USB port is fucked. | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | GAN900: At least you had a passport now ;) | 13:30 |
| xorAxAx | how about a moment of silence? | 13:30 |
| zerojay | broke off inside the N900. | 13:30 |
| frals_ | you had a preprod one right? | 13:30 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, makes you feel good about DDP, right? ;) | 13:30 |
| zerojay | Can't charge it. | 13:30 |
| GAN900 | X-Fade: indeed | 13:30 |
| zerojay | frals_: Yes. | 13:30 |
| zerojay | GAN900: Yeah, no kidding. | 13:31 |
| xorAxAx | zerojay: too much force applied? | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | GAN900: And you have better weather than in Amsterdam ;) | 13:31 |
| Sargun | zerojay, can't you charge it by will? | 13:31 |
| frals_ | hoping its just an issue with those ;o | 13:31 |
| zerojay | xorAxAx: No, I was always careful. Cable was never tugged or forced out. | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: my usual example is that i'm a danish citizen living abroad. i travel a lot, and i roam a lot on various hotel wifis. when i'm in denmark i can use my contacts phone numbers directly, when i'm abroad, i can skype them directly with same interface. I IM the same way i SMS on msn/skype/google talk/secure jabber. | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Buy some desktop battery charger? :) | 13:31 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: That's only half the problem, isn't it? | 13:32 |
| w00t | ^ same as Stskeeps | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Hehe ;) | 13:32 |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: well, what about a SIP client? | 13:32 |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: is there one? | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: SIP is supported by standard | 13:32 |
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| Stskeeps | has been since tablet days | 13:32 |
| xorAxAx | cool | 13:32 |
| zerojay | I was disconnecting it from my N900 and the port came out with the cable. | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | telepathy | 13:32 |
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| w00t | so far I've moved pretty much all my IM to my phone now | 13:32 |
| DM_900 | ouch zerojay | 13:33 |
| zerojay | If you've been noticing that your n900 doesn't always recognize that it's plugged in and should be charging, you're probably not far from having the port disconnect on you like mine has. | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: when i'm at my desk i can access my phone with x11vnc. when i'm travelling, i watch movies/anime/tv series when on the go, without having to transcode | 13:33 |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: sounds good | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Tripped over the wire while charging? | 13:33 |
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| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: and best of all, i ssh in to my servers :) | 13:34 |
| DM_900 | gotta love surfacemount | 13:34 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: Never. The cable/port has never been under any stress. I've been extremely careful because it is a prototype after all. | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm able to be contacted when i'm in the supermarket or out. | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | no matter if it's a local person or a remote person talking to me over the net. | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Weird. it is supposed to be rated for at least 10000 insert cycles. | 13:34 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: It should be rated for at least ten times that. | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: that, and a quite good camera where i can share it instantly. :P | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: commercially available connectors don't do that though | 13:35 |
| Mek | if it is the port not being properly connected on the device, how comes that repluggin the cable on my laptop side often makes it start charging? | 13:35 |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: now i want an n900 as well :) | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: along with a kick-ass community attached to it :) that's how i like my n900 | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: to get 100k, you'd need ZIF pretty much | 13:35 |
| tigert | gmm | 13:35 |
| tigert | hmm even | 13:36 |
| tigert | the maebar wlan blocks ssh on default port | 13:36 |
| tigert | = suck | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | tigert: people are more productive then probably | 13:36 |
| xorAxAx | maebar? | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/USB-connector/a/9000000096046.htm | 13:36 |
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| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend | 13:36 |
| zerojay | SpeedEvil: Well, I don't know. All I can tell you is that the fucking thing is fucked after three months. This better not be a design flaw in the n900's retail versions or else we're going to see a wave of really pissed people in two months. | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: 10000 you'd have to go some in 3 months to exceed | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | that's 100/day | 13:37 |
| zerojay | Well, it failed. What do you want me to say? | 13:37 |
| zerojay | It failed with an average of two/day. | 13:38 |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: i am busy, otherwise i might have thought about travel | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: typical connectors shouldn't fail at 300 cycles or so. | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Yeah, can just be that you are unlucky. | 13:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | zerojay: I mean - they are designed for way more | 13:38 |
| zerojay | It's clear that it just became unsoldered from the board. | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Bad part is always possible, but I haven't seen others complain about it? | 13:39 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: Texrat. | 13:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | zerojay: you can't charge at all? | 13:39 |
| w00t | without a USB port, that would seem rather difficult | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Yeah or soldering broke off because of either bad soldering or shock/vibration. | 13:39 |
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| Ashenburg | if it's completely unsoldered I wouldn't think bad part, but sloppy execution | 13:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Resoldering the USB is generally not too hard | 13:40 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | SpeedEvil: That is what warranty is for generally ;) | 13:40 |
| mae-sko | hio | 13:40 |
| SpeedEvil | meh | 13:40 |
| Markus23 | anyone experience with libferris on n900? | 13:41 |
| zerojay | SpeedEvil: I'm far from a soldering god and I'm not about to rip open a loaned Nokia prototype and get down and busy on it. | 13:41 |
| mae-sko | How can i get some error logging from frematle-x86 target? | 13:41 |
| Markus23 | and is unison-2.27.57 compiled for mamo5? | 13:41 |
| andre__ | feri, you still send emails from the future here (one hour ahead), but maybe my Evolution is just broken... | 13:41 |
| monkeyiq | marant; send me an n900 and I will have ;-0 | 13:41 |
| andre__ | feri, "Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:19:31 +0100" but I think you are in +0200 | 13:41 |
| monkeyiq | Markus23; err nic completion :( | 13:41 |
| mae-sko | ..developing small python app; after started run-standalone appname -> nothing happens; no errors no gui.. :( | 13:41 |
| Markus23 | monkeyiq: so you are lacking a n900, otherwise you would have compiled unison-2.27.57? | 13:42 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: I think the real issue here is how tight the cable is when it's inserted inside the N900. | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: You had the n900 hanging by the connector while charging? :) | 13:43 |
| andre__ | yay. X-Fade is back? nice. welcome! :) | 13:43 |
| monkeyiq | Markus23; yes, since I compiled unison and libferris for my n810... if I had a 900 I would have it for that too | 13:43 |
| monkeyiq | Markus23; I don't know if diablo debs are installable on n900, but if they are you could try my deb for unison | 13:44 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: Nope. lol | 13:44 |
| * DM_900 yawns | 13:44 | |
| Markus23 | monkeyiq: are you related to libferris or unison or did you just compile it? | 13:44 |
| GAN900 | tigert: proxy. ;) | 13:44 |
| monkeyiq | Markus23; I wrote one of them ;) | 13:45 |
| tigert | port 443, yes | 13:45 |
| Markus23 | monkeyiq: however, I also don't have a n900 at the moment, but it is on my wishlist :-) | 13:45 |
| Markus23 | monkeyiq: don't make it so thrilling, libferris? | 13:46 |
| monkeyiq | Markus23; heh, well, its probably on many wishlists | 13:46 |
| monkeyiq | Markus23; yep | 13:46 |
| xorAxAx | Markus23: where do you plan to order the n900? | 13:46 |
| GAN900 | tigert: I'm connected to my irssi proxy at home. | 13:47 |
| Markus23 | xorAxAx: not decided yet, A1 has it already for 300 eur (i am from austria) | 13:47 |
| xorAxAx | wow, why so cheap? | 13:47 |
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| GAN900 | tigert: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1328519@N22/ | 13:47 |
| Markus23 | xorAxAx: additionally 10 euros for 24 month for just 300 mb | 13:48 |
| * tigert hacked dropbox on his N900 | 13:48 | |
| tigert | with sshfs and server dropbox folder | 13:48 |
| CoreFusion- | wohooo!! | 13:48 |
| * CoreFusion- just opened his N900 box | 13:48 | |
| tigert | kludge(tm) but works nice | 13:48 |
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| monkeyiq | ah, dropbox, the closed src juice everybody wants | 13:49 |
| xorAxAx | Markus23: with the xcite zero, it is at 450 EUR | 13:49 |
| Markus23 | monkeyiq: so you are Ben Martin? - very nice job you are doing with libferris | 13:49 |
| xorAxAx | thats still quite cheap | 13:49 |
| tigert | monkeyiq: yeah that | 13:50 |
| monkeyiq | Markus23; thanks :) patches welcome ;-p | 13:50 |
| Markus23 | xorAxAx: yes, maybe the better option - but where to get umts data then? | 13:50 |
| xorAxAx | Markus23: do you know whether they ship already? | 13:50 |
| tigert | just as closed as, say, flickr | 13:50 |
| xorAxAx | Markus23: i would get them from simyo here in germany | 13:50 |
| Markus23 | xorAxAx: yeah, they seem to ship, I got a mail that it is available | 13:50 |
| xorAxAx | Markus23: uhh, activation price 50 EUR | 13:50 |
| monkeyiq | tigert; yeah, I guess I'm just a bit surprised by some osrc zealots how love dropbox without realizing the irony | 13:50 |
| monkeyiq | but each to their own | 13:51 |
| xorAxAx | Markus23: so its in the same range as the cheap dealers (those do not have the phone available, yet, though) | 13:51 |
| tigert | monkeyiq: yeah | 13:51 |
| tigert | monkeyiq: theres ifolder too | 13:51 |
| tigert | wasnt that open? | 13:51 |
| monkeyiq | as I can mount flickr with libferris, I also use these evil services from time to time | 13:51 |
| tigert | the service is the point | 13:52 |
| tigert | and others you can share with | 13:52 |
| tigert | just like flickr | 13:52 |
| tigert | sure theres gallery | 13:52 |
| monkeyiq | tigert; I thought ifolder was a nasty complex novell C# thing last I saw | 13:52 |
| tigert | but the point of flickr is to have contacts and sharingä | 13:52 |
| tigert | just like facebook | 13:52 |
| tigert | closed shit but has people you care about | 13:53 |
| monkeyiq | yeah, this is why I added support for facebook and flickr etc to libferris. I can just 'cp' images there for folks to see | 13:53 |
| tigert | monkeyiq: but it is OSS iirc | 13:53 |
| tigert | (ifolder) | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | flickr is so regrettably broken. | 13:53 |
| tigert | flickr workd fine for me | 13:53 |
| tigert | borkennesslid point-of-view dependant | 13:53 |
| tigert | erm | 13:53 |
| tigert | tyops sukc | 13:53 |
| monkeyiq | tigert; I should take another look at ifolder at some point. if I can get any sanity from tehir marketing | 13:53 |
| tigert | monkeyiq: yea, havent looked at it myself either | 13:54 |
| monkeyiq | I really only use flickr as a bit bucket for images I want to share with the world.. if they die I just rsync to another place | 13:54 |
| tigert | but such things need someone with resources to host a big setup | 13:54 |
| tigert | be it open or closed | 13:54 |
| monkeyiq | I can see why they close the server, otherwise there is no business model | 13:55 |
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| * monkeyiq adds "check how ifolder is doing" to his todo list | 13:56 | |
| SpeedEvil | tigert: broken in the respect that intentionally, you can't do some things becase 'we don't want you to' | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | tigert: For example being able to upload minority interest pictures without them appearing on your photostream as latest. | 13:57 |
| monkeyiq | SpeedEvil; all closed servers do that though... facebook is a prime example | 13:57 |
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| tigert | SpeedEvil: yeah | 13:57 |
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| tigert | SpeedEvil: private groups but thats a bit kludgy too | 13:58 |
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| lizardo | mae-sko: are you running it on scratchbox ? if so, did you start the Maemo UI environment prior to try to run the application? | 14:00 |
| * tigert installed maemo5 sdk btw | 14:00 | |
| tigert | per instructions | 14:01 |
| lizardo | mae-sko: and if you are using PyGTK, did you run "gtk.main()" ? | 14:01 |
| tigert | but i miss all apps | 14:01 |
| tigert | and af-sb-init | 14:01 |
| tigert | anyone seen similar? | 14:01 |
| tigert | the maemo-sdk-install.sh said it ran ok | 14:01 |
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| adeus | nokia closed binaries missing? | 14:03 |
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| jjo | tigert: install nokia-apps | 14:06 |
| jjo | it'll pull in binaries as well | 14:07 |
| jjo | fremantle doesn't exactly work with just free components | 14:07 |
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| tigert | jjo: it misses everything | 14:14 |
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| tigert | even af-sbafinit and hildon-desktop | 14:14 |
| tigert | maybe theres something wrong with my scratchbox | 14:14 |
| tigert | ie, looks like theres just base debian | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | added the token repository? | 14:15 |
| xorAxAx | so much regarding "free operating system" as an advantage compared to the pre | 14:15 |
| tigert | even though it installed rootdtraps | 14:15 |
| tigert | straps even | 14:15 |
| tigert | Stskeeps: used installer script | 14:15 |
| tigert | but i guess i need to do this again | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | tigert: and that took the url from tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula ? | 14:15 |
| mae-sko | lizardo: yes, i do the af-sb-init.sh start it starts OK | 14:17 |
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| mae-sko | after installing scratchbox locally I tested the virtualbox image of it -> the apt get does not work in it: some dns errors, sigh | 14:20 |
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| Flandry | ~seen jeremiah | 14:21 |
| infobot | jeremiah is currently on #maemo (1h 22m 16s), last said: 'I wanna cookie!'. | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | damn, N900 phonelog is braindamaged :-( | 14:25 |
| DangerMaus | what ehere who? | 14:26 |
| DangerMaus | \wait wrong channel | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | either phonelog or me | 14:27 |
| DangerMaus | neither | 14:27 |
| DangerMaus | me | 14:27 |
| lardman | hmm, just suffered from the wonders of mic not working | 14:27 |
| jeremiah | w00t, cookies! | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: on preprod? | 14:28 |
| jeremiah | And not you w00t | 14:28 |
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| DangerMaus | lardman, now your mic took a vacation?? | 14:28 |
| w00t | jeremiah: and here was me thinking I was getting cookies | 14:28 |
| jeremiah | Sorry. :P | 14:28 |
| Flandry | haha | 14:28 |
| Flandry | look what i started | 14:29 |
| jeremiah | talk to Flandry, he's giving them out! | 14:29 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: yeah | 14:29 |
| * w00t steals Flandry's cookies | 14:29 | |
| jeremiah | Wait - there is a mic on the N900? | 14:29 |
| lardman | it's bask now though, is a sw issue | 14:29 |
| GAN900 | dmj7261: do you have your video editor mockup handy? | 14:29 |
| Flandry | They were stale anyway | 14:29 |
| lardman | s/bask/back | 14:29 |
| jeremiah | I didn't see anything about that on TMO | 14:29 |
| Flandry | lol | 14:29 |
| lardman | first and touch wood only time it's happened | 14:29 |
| lardman | jeremiah: what's TMO? | 14:30 |
| Flandry | jeremiah: sorry to be a pain, but the promotion of uqm didn't work entirely: it didn't show up in downloads | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anybody share a clue how to watch *details* of a call in phonelog? like duration, *number*... | 14:30 |
| jeremiah | The N900 is made of wood? | 14:30 |
| lardman | ;) | 14:30 |
| jeremiah | lardman: Oh, you got me. I almost answered you. | 14:30 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: probably though an enhancement request | 14:30 |
| lardman | jeremiah: lol | 14:30 |
| jeremiah | :) | 14:30 |
| jeremiah | Flandry: You're not a pain, the promotion software should 'just work' | 14:31 |
| hrw | someone can tell me where I can find a list of maemo5 icons which can be used in toolbar/buttons? | 14:31 |
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| jeremiah | I think Niels is kicking it since people are reporting that it seems to be working | 14:31 |
| Flandry | well i keep breaking it ;) | 14:31 |
| hrw | or is each developer requested to supply own play/stop/pause buttons? | 14:31 |
| jeremiah | heh | 14:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lardman, lol. k, thanks anyway | 14:31 |
| jeremiah | Flandry: Yeah, well, breaking software is what devs are for. | 14:31 |
| redeeman | hmm, shouldn't Qt be bundled on the N900? | 14:31 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: really though, the phone interface could do with being different | 14:32 |
| jeremiah | redeeman: I think it is still a community project at this point, so no | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | jeremiah: I have had my phone for 5 days. I have done 4 SMSs - all to setup internet - and no calls. | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: it is in SDK, so i think it's bundled somehow | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | maybe not on device | 14:32 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: would be good to be able to make our own phone app probably | 14:32 |
| jeremiah | SpeedEvil: what do you think? do you like the N900? | 14:33 |
| _marcell_ | redeeman: There is libqt4-core on the device and the rest are in the preconfigured apps repo | 14:33 |
| Flandry | anywayz i am ridiculously excited about having it in extras and would appreciate it if you could poke the necessary server or person | 14:33 |
| redeeman | _marcell_: ah ok, can i install that from the gui? | 14:33 |
| jeremiah | ~_marcell_++ | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | jeremiah: very, very nice. | 14:33 |
| jeremiah | w00t! | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lardman, ack | 14:33 |
| Flandry | there you go taking his name in vain again | 14:33 |
| jeremiah | redeeman: I think you'll need to use apt-get | 14:33 |
| _marcell_ | redeeman: if you have a package that depends on qt in the repository, it will pull in all the needed qt stuff | 14:33 |
| _marcell_ | yes, or apt-get | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Any cheap people in the UK - tmobile - pay-as-you-go, 'boosters' - 20 quid gets you 6 months internet with 1G/mo fair use | 14:34 |
| redeeman | _marcell_: i haven't got my package in a repo like that, i just have a binary i compiled myself | 14:34 |
| Flandry | SpeedEvil: seriously? | 14:34 |
| redeeman | _marcell_: and installing it manually with apt-get won't fuck up stuff with the package manager later? | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Flandry: seriously | 14:34 |
| Flandry | wow | 14:34 |
| jeremiah | redeeman: Did you test it in the SDK? | 14:34 |
| * Flandry moves to the UK | 14:34 | |
| jeremiah | That is usually a good approach | 14:34 |
| redeeman | jeremiah: uhm no, i just compiled it | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | https://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/payg/boosters/ | 14:35 |
| lardman | hrw: no idea I'm afraid, have you dug around under /usr/share? | 14:35 |
| jeremiah | redeeman: You compiled in the SDK? | 14:35 |
| _marcell_ | redeeman: you will need network connection, and root acces, then do an apt-get install libqt4-gui, or whatever else you need | 14:35 |
| redeeman | jeremiah: i have scratchbox installed with the sdk | 14:35 |
| _marcell_ | it will not mess up anything | 14:35 |
| jeremiah | redeeman: oh okay, cool | 14:35 |
| hrw | lardman: /usr/share/icons/ is mess | 14:35 |
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| hrw | lardman: on maemo5 sdk | 14:35 |
| redeeman | jeremiah: how do i launch the desktop within scratchbox to test it? | 14:35 |
| hrw | lardman: 124x124 144x144 164x164 16x16 18x11 18x25 216x216 24x24 295x295 40x40 50x50 96x96 index.theme scaleable | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 20bucks/6months?? | 14:36 |
| hrw | 128x128 14x14 16x12 16x20 18x18 18x36 22x22 26x26 32x32 48x48 64x64 icon-theme.cache scalable | 14:36 |
| jeremiah | redeeman: I'll pass you a good link, but essentiall you launch Xephyr | 14:36 |
| hrw | lardman: instead of few normal sizes | 14:36 |
| Flandry | redeeman: see the SDK wiki | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: well - $1.65*20 | 14:36 |
| redeeman | Flandry: that's where i am | 14:36 |
| redeeman | it doesn't appear to have Xephyr installed | 14:36 |
| redeeman | install it inside the scratchbox? | 14:36 |
| lardman | hrw: saves scaling time I guess | 14:36 |
| _marcell_ | redeeman: outside | 14:36 |
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| hrw | lardman: and no usable icons found anyway | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lost me completely | 14:37 |
| lardman | hrw: I don't think you need them all, just use scalable and accept the performance hit | 14:37 |
| Flandry | i had no clue what i was doing and got through it with the wiki. I think you missed a page | 14:37 |
| Flandry | there's one on installing sdk | 14:37 |
| hrw | lardman: I want to have 'play' button in my app which will not be different from other apps play button. on desktop it is doable. on maemo... looks like not | 14:37 |
| Flandry | and one on using it | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~1.65 * 6 | 14:38 |
| infobot | 9.9 | 14:38 |
| lardman | hrw: mail the list and ask perhaps? | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~1.65 * 20 | 14:38 |
| infobot | 33 | 14:38 |
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| hrw | lardman: maemo-devel again? I hoped that I will not have to go there... ;D | 14:38 |
| Flandry | haha | 14:38 |
| redeeman | _marcell_: now i got that, but the wiki says to launch af-sb-init.sh start, that's not there | 14:39 |
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| lardman | hrw: well at least some more Nokians are about there so you may get an official answer# | 14:39 |
| Flandry | in scratchbox | 14:39 |
| Flandry | you have to login | 14:39 |
| Flandry | all in the wiki, in order | 14:39 |
| Flandry | i'm sure of it | 14:39 |
| redeeman | i am logged in | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: err- yes | 14:39 |
| redeeman | i just tested my app on the real N900, it works great | 14:39 |
| Flandry | set the target to x86? | 14:39 |
| jeremiah | redeeman: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Starting.2FShutting_down_the_SDK_UI | 14:40 |
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| lardman | Anyone know anything about .desktop files for Diablo, and how Fremantle versions won't work there? | 14:40 |
| Flandry | "$ Installer requires root preveliges" | 14:40 |
| Flandry | heheh | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: as I get it you pay 20 quid one time for a period of 6 months use? Still awesome | 14:41 |
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| redeeman | jeremiah: yeah, did that, i don't have af-sb-init.sh | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:41 |
| _marcell_ | redeeman: I hope that you have installed the nokia-binaries too, I do not think that the desktop comes up without that | 14:41 |
| redeeman | ah | 14:41 |
| redeeman | sorry | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: here 25EUR / month for 5GB - that's even considered a good deal | 14:41 |
| Flandry | So jeremiah, should i just go make my own entry on Downloads? | 14:43 |
| _marcell_ | redeeman: still, af-sb-init.sh should be there. It's in /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh, coming from the osso-af-sb-startup package | 14:43 |
| Andrwe | hi, I need help, I've copied some music onto my n900 into .sound and now there are many unidentifiable files which I can't delete because the filesystem seems to be read-only, I've also reboot some times. I tried to start an fsck for mmcblk0p1 but this asks which FAT should be tested and shows 2 FAT entries | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno if anybody's interested n it: yesterday's "stresstest" gave me 23h of UMTS standby + WLAN SIP&IRC online + 10h of backlight and moderate CPU usage +1h of GPS - on one bat-charge | 14:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | quite decent I'd say | 14:45 |
| Flandry | 23 hours wlan+irc? | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:46 |
| Flandry | and 10 hrs backlight | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, those 10h bl are somewhat estimated | 14:46 |
| Flandry | that's a lot different than people are complaining about in the battery thread | 14:46 |
| Flandry | glad to hear it works right for you | 14:46 |
| Flandry | i'm still blown away by tuomas' test results | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | last 80min were on a 0% battery ;-P | 14:47 |
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| Flandry | 22 hours of vorbis playback... lol | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds feasible | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | without bl | 14:48 |
| Flandry | 90 hours phone standby iirc | 14:48 |
| DangerMaus | i find the battery just fine i get sofar alot more than i thiught but im pshure that will change when im on gsm | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | also seems correct. First 10h of idle standby ate ~10..15% of cell | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GPS seems to be a power hog | 14:49 |
| Flandry | that seems to generally be the case yeah | 14:49 |
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| ShadowJK | it depends so much on use and network conditions :) | 14:51 |
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| Dyresen | Im sure this has been asked a few times, but anyway. I just got a Nokia n900 and it keeps rebooting a lot. Seems to happend when there is some cpu load. | 14:56 |
| Dyresen | Anyone had similar issues and know a fix for it? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | Dyresen: you might have a faulty unit | 14:56 |
| jjo | tigert: even the open desktop stuff isn't installed by default, because it smply will not work without the closed packages | 14:56 |
| Dyresen | Stskeeps: ahh oki, this is not a software thingy? :) | 14:57 |
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| Flandry | Dyresen: big thread about it on Talk. Seems it could be sim card, network software, or hardware fault | 14:57 |
| redeeman | anyone that has developed with Qt for the N900? im wondering how i might switch the orientation of my application, and also, how i can detect if the application is "active" or not | 14:57 |
| Flandry | or maybe something else entirely | 14:57 |
| xorAxAx | whats the URL of the rundown thread with battery stats? | 14:58 |
| Dyresen | Flandry: ok, I can generate a new simcard to rule that out of the way. | 14:58 |
| Flandry | Dyresen: i don't know anything about simcards, but i think it was a type of card | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | Dyresen: see if it happens without SIM too for good measure | 14:59 |
| Flandry | anyway it's all still fairly guesses | 14:59 |
| Dyresen | sleipnir: good point | 14:59 |
| Flandry | so anything you can find out would be great for the community | 14:59 |
| Dyresen | Is this a common problem? | 14:59 |
| Andrwe | is there someone who can help me with my problem? which FAT should I use? | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | Dyresen: some people have lemon devices, but mine doesn't do this | 15:00 |
| Flandry | hard to say. Squeaky wheels are more easily heard :D | 15:00 |
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| mikkov__ | X-Fade: around? | 15:00 |
| sleipnir | Dyresen: ??? | 15:00 |
| tbf | redeeman: for detected device orientation you have to listen to some dbus signal | 15:00 |
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| Dyresen | sleipnir: wrong nick, sorry | 15:01 |
| tbf | redeeman: the wiki should have example code | 15:01 |
| redeeman | i don't care about detected, i just wanna force a mode | 15:01 |
| tbf | second | 15:01 |
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| tbf | redeeman: http://gitorious.org/miniature/miniature/blobs/desktop/src/miniature.cc#line75 | 15:04 |
| redeeman | thanks | 15:04 |
| redeeman | do you also know about the active part? is that dbus? | 15:04 |
| tbf | redeeman: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qwidget.html#isActiveWindow-prop | 15:04 |
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| tbf | redeeman: or to do it really perfect look at the root window's _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW property... | 15:05 |
| tbf | redeeman: when the task switcher is shown, your window also isn't active, but that property gets a special value | 15:05 |
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| redeeman | hmm | 15:05 |
| tbf | redeeman: maybe someone on #qt-maemo has better information about detecting the task switcher | 15:06 |
| tbf | helpful people | 15:06 |
| redeeman | thanks | 15:06 |
| Dyresen | Reboots without simcard as well. And the whole thing feels slugish | 15:07 |
| ShadowJK | Comment by a .fi cellphone operator on N900 - "I must admit N900 hit one of the fiercest target audiences I've ever seen in this job. People are ready to sell their mothers to get their hands on i | 15:07 |
| ShadowJK | t" | 15:07 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: heh :) | 15:08 |
| Flandry | ha | 15:08 |
| Flandry | sounds like good news for Nokia? | 15:08 |
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| Stskeeps | or customer service nightmare | 15:09 |
| ShadowJK | the latter | 15:09 |
| Flandry | hmm yeah | 15:09 |
| tbf | ShadowJK: which operator? | 15:09 |
| ShadowJK | saunalahti | 15:09 |
| Dyresen | Im going to ask to get this one replaced... | 15:10 |
| Dyresen | Doesnt stay on more than a few minutes at the time. | 15:10 |
| ShadowJK | even without simcard? | 15:10 |
| Dyresen | yes | 15:10 |
| ShadowJK | That's not normal. I'd ask for a replacement myself too. | 15:11 |
| Flandry | yeah | 15:11 |
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| Flandry | there have definitely been some defective units and that sounds like one | 15:11 |
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| Dyresen | lock code for reseting settings? | 15:12 |
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| ShadowJK | I wonder if that's in the manual | 15:13 |
| Dyresen | Couldn't find it | 15:14 |
| ShadowJK | My first guess would be 12345 | 15:14 |
| Dyresen | 12345 it is, thanks | 15:15 |
| ShadowJK | Hm, a verkkokauppa (biggest online store in .fi) rep also said they couldn't fill all preorders :) | 15:16 |
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| ShadowJK | Scary, a flash-mob of people calling around every looking for N900s | 15:19 |
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| ShadowJK | s/every/every store/ | 15:19 |
| infobot | ShadowJK meant: Scary, a flash-mob of people calling around every store looking for N900s | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Hire a couple of coaches. | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Go around in person. | 15:19 |
| ShadowJK | (today was release day for non-nokia stores in .fi) | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | 80 people walk into each store in turn :) | 15:19 |
| ShadowJK | yeah they seem to be doing that too :) | 15:19 |
| Andrwe | is there really noone who can help me, I need my n900 | 15:20 |
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| w00t | ShadowJK: it's happened in the uk twice now, too | 15:20 |
| w00t | (unable to fill preorders) | 15:20 |
| ShadowJK | Andrwe, well, if there is a correct choice, and if the other one is incorrect, then you've got 50% chance! | 15:20 |
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| Andrwe | ShadowJK: nice to know but which one is correct? | 15:21 |
| tbf | w00t: w00t!? | 15:21 |
| Andrwe | ShadowJK: or can I just try it because there couldn't be something damaged | 15:21 |
| w00t | tbf: me!? | 15:22 |
| tbf | w00t: just asked "what" | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | Andrwe, I would say, that the fact that it's asking, is a sign that something is corrupted. Normally it doesn't ask | 15:22 |
| jeremiah | Flandry: Sure, that might make sense | 15:22 |
| tbf | w00t: "what, n900 sold out second time in uk!?" | 15:22 |
| jeremiah | i.e. Make your own entry on Downloads. | 15:22 |
| w00t | tbf: both shipments to nokia online shop have sold out, which is why I had to wait 1-1.5 weeks when they fucked my first order up | 15:22 |
| Andrwe | ShadowJK: "nicely" fsck say both appear to be intact | 15:23 |
| fireswires | pre order in the Regent Street shop | 15:23 |
| tbf | w00t: crazy. | 15:23 |
| fireswires | you should get it in a week or so | 15:23 |
| w00t | I already got mine, so, no need | 15:23 |
| ShadowJK | Andrwe, if it was me, if I had the files elsewhere, I'd just pick one and see what happens. if fsck crashes I'd try hook it up to USB and run scandisk from windows, it's a bit better than fsck. | 15:23 |
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| * w00t pats his precious | 15:23 | |
| ShadowJK | and don't forget safely remove hw etc | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, I "want to break my device", but WTF is "RD mode"?? | 15:24 |
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| tbf | DocScrutinizer51: you just want to install rootsh from maemo extras | 15:25 |
| tbf | DocScrutinizer51: no need to play with the flasher and activate Research & Development mode | 15:25 |
| tbf | only drains your battery | 15:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | aah, thanks for the implicit explanation :-)) | 15:26 |
| ShadowJK | I think you can disable lifeguard and watchdog, but you probably don't want to do that | 15:27 |
| ShadowJK | (after that you can actually damage the hw through software too) :) | 15:27 |
| ShadowJK | or atleast you could on n810 | 15:27 |
| tbf | ShadowJK: in R&D mode the device also uses keyboard LEDs to indicate sleep states | 15:28 |
| tbf | and some serial console gets activated and all such crap | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | watchdog may happily live on, as long as it doesn, start to do unsolicited reboots like on N810 | 15:28 |
| Andrwe | ShadowJK: Oo unfinished long filename some hex-code. (Start may be overwritten by Zd\011"1Ü\220.> #) 1: delete LFN, 2: leave it as it is, 3: fix numbering; this message comes after I've choosen the first FAT | 15:28 |
| tbf | maybe someone should file a bug to get this error message fixed | 15:28 |
| ShadowJK | fs corruption :/ | 15:29 |
| Andrwe | ShadowJK: same with second | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK, damage HW?? o.O Please elaborate | 15:29 |
| ShadowJK | oh on N810 once you disable lifeguard you can kill the battery management daemon, for example :-) | 15:30 |
| ShadowJK | Normally, if the battery management daemon was to die, the device automatically reboots | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok, killing bat isn,t simple but feasible | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in theory at least | 15:32 |
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| ShadowJK | Give it a year or two, and a hot summer, and the Li-Po in N810 is pretty close to death even without battery management failures :) | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-( | 15:33 |
| ShadowJK | mine is a bit swollen too, only noticed it when comparing to the new battery though | 15:34 |
| mgedmin | batteries last 3 years, no matter what you do ... | 15:34 |
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| tbf | mgedmin: heat dramatically shortens battery life time | 15:34 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 15:34 |
| trupheenix | hi. i'm trying to port my gtk+ application onto maemo. i seem to have hit the wall for hildon. my app compiles, i can run it in scratchbox but all i get is a black window and no widgets drawn inside. any leads on how to fix this? | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | global warming is caused by a conspiracy of battery manufacturers! | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the BLS-2N of my 6210 is quite decent even after 9 years | 15:35 |
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| trupheenix | should i paste my code? will u guys help out? | 15:36 |
| lardman | ~pastebin | 15:36 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 15:36 |
| lardman | rather than paste | 15:36 |
| PolarFox | How do you disable 3G in Maemo? :) | 15:36 |
| trupheenix | lardman, yea that's what i meant | 15:36 |
| lardman | oh sorry | 15:36 |
| Venomrush | go to settings -> phone | 15:37 |
| Venomrush | scroll down | 15:37 |
| Venomrush | find network | 15:37 |
| Venomrush | change Dual to GSM | 15:37 |
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| Venomrush | that will disable 3G | 15:37 |
| PolarFox | Venomrush: Thanks :) | 15:37 |
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| Venomrush | btw anyone notice having multple account plugins drain account pretty dramatically? | 15:37 |
| Venomrush | i got gtalk + yahoo + msn | 15:37 |
| Venomrush | lasted 8 hours | 15:38 |
| Venomrush | before i could last a day | 15:38 |
| DangerMaus | should take http://www.rafb.net/paste out of the list it dont exist anymore | 15:38 |
| toggles_w | woot! est delivery date! | 15:38 |
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| ShadowJK | Venomrush, 3g? | 15:38 |
| PolarFox | Venomrush: Have you tried without msn only.. I have heard it generates a lot of traffic.. :) | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | trupheenix, I'd take a look, but I've never written a hildon app (keep planning to; find other more urgent projects all the time) | 15:38 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, ok. | 15:39 |
| PolarFox | Venomrush: Would have helped if there was a scrollbar so you could guess there are more setting below ;) | 15:39 |
| DangerMaus | toggles_w, where you get a date from? | 15:39 |
| Flandry | Where do i report broken/bad links in maemo.org/downloads? | 15:41 |
| Andrwe | ShadowJK: the cryptic filenames cause the error but | 15:41 |
| Andrwe | -but | 15:41 |
| * Arkenoi switched from scheduled mail retrieve every 5 minutes to nokia messaging push and got *HUGE* battery standby time increase. Quite strange. | 15:42 | |
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| Arkenoi | but it is twice or so | 15:43 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, my main function in my GTK+ Hildon application. http://pastebin.ca/EcinymaO | 15:43 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, please suggest | 15:43 |
| Flandry | Arkenoi: sounds like a bug report in the making | 15:43 |
| divinegod | why is vim retarded when pressing the return key | 15:44 |
| divinegod | ? | 15:44 |
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| Stskeeps | Arkenoi: of course push is faster than poll | 15:44 |
| frals | well, instead of pulling every 5min it only transfers data when needed | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | faster/better | 15:44 |
| frals | in my mind its pretty obvious push would be better | 15:44 |
| Arkenoi | i thought waking up once a 5 minutes and exchanging some data over existing network connection should not be that power consuming | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | divinegod, worksforme | 15:46 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, :) i pasted please see in ur free(time) | 15:46 |
| Flandry | jeremiah: hit a snag, it doesn't let me upload an .install, wanting instead a URL. | 15:46 |
| Arkenoi | i have sip registration and xmpp online at the same time | 15:46 |
| range | bug 3888 says that the IMAP IDLE implementation in tinymail uses more power than pulling. | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | divinegod, breaks under screen, or if you use any other ncurses app before, maybe? | 15:46 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3888 IMAP-IDLE not working | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | divinegod, workaround is to use ctrl-j or ctrl-m instead of enter | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | divinegod, I consider it an osso-xterm bug | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | it's filed even | 15:46 |
| ShadowJK | frals, I would suspect the push email variant is sending frequent keepalives to maintain the connection even through stupid NATs... | 15:47 |
| Flandry | jeremiah: i don't think putting a random .install off on another server is a good idea :D | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | trupheenix, looking | 15:47 |
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| toggles_w | DangerMaus: amazon just sent me an email | 15:47 |
| Arkenoi | ShadowJK, how does Nokia Messaging bypass that? | 15:47 |
| divinegod | mgedmin: thanks | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone in the UK have a recommended cheap phone insurer? | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | well - cheap insurer of expensive phones. | 15:47 |
| lardman | household insurance? | 15:47 |
| ShadowJK | Arkenoi, oh wait, I read it wrong | 15:47 |
| Flandry | jeremiah: sorry, never mind, i can add one down below. | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | trupheenix, Sorry, this paste is encrypted. You will need to provide a password to view it. | 15:48 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin abcdef | 15:48 |
| ShadowJK | Arkenoi, nevermind me | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | trupheenix, Sorry, that password is incorrect. Could not decrypt the paste. Please try again. | 15:48 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, abcdefg | 15:48 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, that's the passwd | 15:48 |
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| mgedmin | you're paranoid | 15:48 |
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| mgedmin | but not paranoid enough ;) | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: I have not found one with accidental damage cover of phones outside the home | 15:49 |
| lardman | oh right | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | first time I see a C program with 1-space indents | 15:49 |
| lardman | dunno then | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | hmm, don't see anything wrong off-hand | 15:50 |
| mgedmin | then again, I'm not an expert | 15:50 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, yea but i get a black screen on scratch box.... | 15:51 |
| zash | push email? really? not just imap idle? | 15:51 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, the window title gets set | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | is there any metapackage or convenience script to install all the basics to get a *real* system (less, bash, etc pp)? | 15:51 |
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| Lorthirk | DocScrutinizer51: never heard anything like that | 15:52 |
| mikkov__ | jeremiah: can you promote liblzo2-2 from extras-devel to extras-testing? It's needed by openvpn and the system failed to autopromote it. | 15:52 |
| * ShadowJK is using openvpn on n900 :D | 15:53 | |
| * Lorthirk may get his n900 shipped today | 15:54 | |
| * toggles_w has to wait until monday | 15:54 | |
| toggles_w | anyone recommend good bt a2dp headphones? | 15:54 |
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| trupheenix | mgedmin, but no widgets get drawn | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | toggles_w, sony HBH-DS220 just works for me | 15:57 |
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| ccooke | yay! MPD say my wife's n900 will arrive tomorrow | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | toggles_w, not tested with N900 yet | 15:58 |
| toggles_w | DocScrutinizer51: thanks | 15:58 |
| lardman | toggles_w: see if you can get some that can decode mp3 | 15:59 |
| toggles_w | wont the n900 do that? | 15:59 |
| lardman | not that bluez supports it atm afaik, but might be useful :) | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | btw, is mediaplayer not supposed to detect the wired headset's holdbutton? | 15:59 |
| lardman | toggles_w: you've never had the pleasure of listening to SBC encoded audio have you...? ;) | 16:00 |
| toggles_w | lardman: nope | 16:00 |
| lardman | it's not as good as a wired pair of headphones | 16:00 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, why do u suppose none of the widgets are drawing? | 16:01 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, would u know? | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | I've no clue, sorry! | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | O | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | I'd find a "hello world" app for hildon, see it it works | 16:02 |
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| mgedmin | then start comparing api calls, see what's different | 16:02 |
| Ceron^ | how can i get irssi to reconnect automatically on the n900 :( | 16:02 |
| Ceron^ | after i change from 3g to wlan | 16:03 |
| w00t | why does it stop reconnecting? | 16:03 |
| Ceron^ | I dont know :P | 16:03 |
| w00t | what message does it give | 16:03 |
| ShadowJK | it doesn't realize it's disconnected | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | Ceron^: add libconic support | 16:03 |
| ShadowJK | would be my guess | 16:03 |
| Ceron^ | whats libconic for? | 16:03 |
| lardman | connection handling | 16:03 |
| Ceron^ | w00t: no message :P | 16:03 |
| Ceron^ | Stskeeps: how does one add libconic support? | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway IRC and roaming is a PITA with all the clients I tested so far | 16:04 |
| divinegod | mgedmin: adding set nocompatible to .vimrc and perhaps set backspace=indent,eol,start whichwrap+=<,>,[, will make vim behave better. | 16:04 |
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| mgedmin | divinegod, wanna see my .vimrc from my n900? | 16:04 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, is there like no place where i can understand the fundamentals of writing a GTK+ hildon app? some writeup? | 16:05 |
| divinegod | mgedmin: ok | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | http://mg.pov.lt/vimrc-n900 | 16:05 |
| Ceron^ | DocScrutinizer51: pita? | 16:05 |
| lardman | Ceron^: link to the lib, call the right functions and provide a connection callback | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | trupheenix, have you read the official docs? | 16:05 |
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| mgedmin | trupheenix, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~wtf pita | 16:06 |
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| infobot | PITA: pain in the ass | 16:06 |
| Ceron^ | lol :P | 16:06 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, yea i'm seein that | 16:06 |
| Ceron^ | i would tought someone on a n900 would already use irssi | 16:06 |
| Ceron^ | on it | 16:06 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, until IPv6 the only solution is a VPN, and when IPv6 comes everyone will have had their turn to ruin it, so then we'll need VPN too! ;-) | 16:06 |
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| * mgedmin too old to learn new command-line apps | 16:06 | |
| * mgedmin didn't learn irssi back when, and now it's too late | 16:06 | |
| penguinbait | what? too old?? | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | give me a shiny gui | 16:07 |
| sgbirch | When I use Voip or skype on N900 with bluetooth headphone, sound quality is terrible. Is that a known problem? | 16:07 |
| Ceron^ | DocScrutinizer51: how so? | 16:07 |
| range | Ceron^: What is irssi supposed to do? At some time it will timeout and then reconnect to the IRC server. | 16:07 |
| Ceron^ | DocScrutinizer51: irssi on 3g works fine | 16:07 |
| Flandry | jeremiah: by way of possible diagnostic, the extended description of the package is over 500 characters and had to be trimmed down before it would be accepted in the downloads description field. Perhaps that was what blocked the script from working. | 16:07 |
| penguinbait | give me a shell | 16:07 |
| Ceron^ | range: suppoused to notice its disconnected and reconnect | 16:07 |
| Ceron^ | :P | 16:07 |
| Ceron^ | it doesnt notice | 16:07 |
| range | Ceron^: How is it supposed to do so? | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | penguinbait, shells are for real work, not for entertainment | 16:08 |
| Flandry | lol | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, but handover to wifi always creating huge downtimes for reconnect | 16:08 |
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| range | Sure. Because things like IP addresses change. | 16:08 |
| Ceron^ | range: i dont know, i just tought this woul be solved :( | 16:08 |
| penguinbait | no computers are for work not for entertainment ;) | 16:08 |
| * Flandry is entertained by shells | 16:08 | |
| range | Ceron^: How? | 16:08 |
| Ceron^ | by n900 irssi users | 16:09 |
| range | You are changing your complete connection. | 16:09 |
| Ceron^ | yes | 16:09 |
| penguinbait | give me a shell on the beach and I am happy, I can work while at the beach | 16:09 |
| Ceron^ | 3g -> wlan | 16:09 |
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| Ceron^ | and wlan -> 3g | 16:09 |
| range | Yes. | 16:09 |
| range | And irssi will notice it when the limit for tcp/ip timeouts is reached. | 16:09 |
| range | Everything else would mean to *notify* irssi somehow. | 16:09 |
| Ceron^ | well i had it for like 10 min | 16:09 |
| Ceron^ | nothing happens | 16:09 |
| range | Yes, because tpc/ip timeouts can take some time. | 16:10 |
| Ceron^ | no status window report :P | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | exactly | 16:10 |
| Ceron^ | how long | 16:10 |
| range | Depends on configuration. | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then you need to reregister, reclaim your nick etc | 16:11 |
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| Ceron^ | /set lag_max_before_disconnect = 3000 | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a PITA | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | that's like an hour? | 16:11 |
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| Ceron^ | i cant make it less | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | or is it in something else than seconds.. | 16:11 |
| Ceron^ | irssi says error | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | I only have a lag_max_before_disconnect = 5min | 16:12 |
| Ceron^ | invalid timestamp | 16:12 |
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| range | Well, looks like irssi and/or IRC aren't made for changing connections on the fly. | 16:12 |
| Ceron^ | ShadowJK: what does it say at your lag_ma? | 16:12 |
| Ceron^ | lag_ma | 16:12 |
| Ceron^ | ax | 16:12 |
| ShadowJK | i don't have one | 16:12 |
| range | Because even if you can tell irssi to do so it will do a *complete* reconnect to the server. | 16:12 |
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| ShadowJK | it has no other choice | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 16:14 |
| ccooke | ... Well, I think Nokia have got their money's worth from me WRT the n900 loan... | 16:14 |
| range | So put your irssi into a screen on a server you can connect to ... | 16:14 |
| Ceron^ | yeh :P | 16:14 |
| ccooke | So far, six people have told me they're buying an n900 because I demo'd mine | 16:14 |
| ccooke | range: that's what I always do. | 16:15 |
| * ShadowJK too | 16:15 | |
| w00t | ccooke: I didn't even need one to demo and I've got about 8 people buying them | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: Did you give them your affiliate code, so you get the discount? | 16:15 |
| ccooke | Oh, for people doing that: I have an irssi script that'll automatically mark you away when screen detaches (and unmark when screen reattaches) | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:15 |
| w00t | it seems to just sell itself | 16:15 |
| w00t | :P | 16:15 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: heh. I don't have one :-) | 16:16 |
| ShadowJK | and then xchat connecting to irssiproxy over a openvpn vpn to that same server, and openvpn handles 3g-wlan-3g well :) | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: they should so do that | 16:16 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: oh yes | 16:16 |
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| ccooke | Would people find a link to the irssi script useful? | 16:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also bounties on software improvements. | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: there should be a 'handy random stuff' on the wiki | 16:17 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: Good idea. Go make it :-) | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK, sounds good | 16:17 |
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| trupheenix | mgedmin, do i have to necessarily convert all my GTK widgets into hildon widgets to get my program running? | 16:19 |
| mgedmin | no | 16:19 |
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| trupheenix | mgedmin, so why do u suppose none of my widgets are drawing? i'm seeing some hello world examples. i seem to be following everything correctly | 16:23 |
| trupheenix | mgedmin, probably need to debug it better | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | precisely! | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Tweaks | 16:23 |
| redeeman | how does one get ones app on the extras repo? | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | I can't do that for you, because (a) I don't have the whole app, and (b) I've got better things to do anyway ;) | 16:23 |
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| mgedmin | I would suggest taking the hello world app and starting to transform it into your app bit by bit | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | add one widget at a time, see when they disappear | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | and if they won't, you've got yourself a working app! | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw those meanies at Nokia *really* could have added a spare stylus to N900, no? :-( | 16:25 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer: it shouldn't come out of the silo anyway. :P | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so what's when I eat it? ;-P | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | friggin 600 bucks, 3 delays, and no spare stylus worth 0.2ct | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | mean | 16:29 |
| w00t | I personally keep forgetting there *is* a stylus | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | the phone actually only costs 0.2ct. the stylus is the expensive part ;p | 16:29 |
| w00t | I've used it once | 16:29 |
| Lorthirk | ok, my second N900 is officially on its way | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually me too, especially after I used it every other day and forget to reseat it to device - that's why I mention it :-D | 16:30 |
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| w00t | hahaha | 16:30 |
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| toggles_w | Lorthirk: woot, but yer a greedy bastard some of us can't even get one | 16:31 |
| * w00t hugs his. | 16:31 | |
| w00t | I'm not letting my baby out of my sight | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, same here | 16:31 |
| glass_ | write a poem to it, on it | 16:31 |
| Lorthirk | toggles_w: i had to send back the first one | 16:31 |
| Lorthirk | headset problems | 16:32 |
| Lorthirk | (bug 6360 if someone dares to read :D) | 16:32 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6360 Headset problems | 16:32 |
| w00t | my n900 is oh so sexy, screen so shiny and wonderfully flexy.. | 16:32 |
| w00t | eh.. i suck at this :-) | 16:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | tmobile - 3.5G all bars on the sofa (if I hold the phone right - but...) 130kbytes/s from kernel.org | 16:33 |
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| w00t | hmm | 16:34 |
| * w00t goes to test speed | 16:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | And for 3.? quid/month. Insanely good value. | 16:34 |
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| w00t | how much? | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | UK | 16:35 |
| w00t | yes, is that £3? or what | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | 20/6 pounds per month | 16:35 |
| w00t | o.O | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I couldn't be bothered doing the exact division | 16:35 |
| w00t | how the fuck | 16:35 |
| w00t | that must have a really low b/w cap | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | 1G/mo | 16:35 |
| w00t | yeah.. not that good | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | But given that at least 5/6ths of the time, I'm going to be in wlan range. | 16:37 |
| redeeman | how do i "register" my application with maemo and setup an icon for it and such? all i have is my crosscompiled binary which works | 16:37 |
| w00t | true. | 16:37 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: got a link? | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: ? | 16:37 |
| w00t | my other half is looking for a mobile internet provider | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/payg/boosters/ | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, how does people deal with the issue of 'one opengl drawing context' that was mentioned at some point btw? | 16:39 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: updated that page with a link to the irssi script | 16:39 |
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| naxxatoe | morining guys =) | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: I deal with it by not having a clue what it means. It troubles me at night though. | 16:40 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to get some appage going. | 16:40 | |
| SpeedEvil | Also - is there a way of ordering official nokia spare parts? | 16:40 |
| * SpeedEvil checks to see if accidental damage cover covers soldering. :) | 16:41 | |
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| ShadowJK | There are some rare stores that have them | 16:42 |
| ShadowJK | (at reasonable prices) | 16:42 |
| ShadowJK | and one or two that have all of them, at prices that would make bankers blush | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm getting a probably silly urge to take a screwdriver to it... | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Which I will be able to resist for some time. | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | regarding headset bug I start to be concerned about my device. Is headset button supposed to work in any application? | 16:43 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: thanks | 16:43 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I don't think so | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok then | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | would like to see an explanation which sysfs nodes are supposed to show which values for the different permutations of AV jack states | 16:45 |
| fireswires | can anyone see what I've done wrong? | 16:45 |
| fireswires | [sbox-: ~] > sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL | 16:45 |
| fireswires | sb-conf: No such target: FREMANTLE_ARMEL | 16:45 |
| fireswires | sb-conf: No current target | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a generic 'hardware twiddles' page? | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Listing info about each bit of hardware? | 16:45 |
| clmntch | hello | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I wish there were | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: well - it's a wiki | 16:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Add a column onto the 'hardware' page of the wiki | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | linking to pages | 16:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was surprised that the individual keyboard LEDs are addressable | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | which is cool | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: Maybe when Nokia decides to send me an NDA to sign, and gives me access to the schematics ;-) | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - well - there is that. I would give you a schematic, in exchange for a sum of money :) | 16:48 |
| * SpeedEvil has DMM and hot-air-station. | 16:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer | which actually shouldn't be *that* hard, given every dumbass of repair shop gets the service manuals | 16:48 |
| ShadowJK | hot-air-station :-( | 16:48 |
| ShadowJK | trade it for a scope? | 16:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: cheap one from ebay | 16:49 |
| ShadowJK | this was so cheap I just had to get it http://jyetech.com/Products/LcdScope/eDSO062.html | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, the AV probably is very similar to N810, for which I know how the hw detects the various cables/hp/hs | 16:50 |
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| ShadowJK | Consider it runs video on the AV now | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | the missing link being the description of the sysfs nodes' semantics | 16:51 |
| aquatix | ShadowJK: what did you pay for that scope? | 16:51 |
| ShadowJK | aquatix: ~30euro | 16:51 |
| aquatix | wow | 16:51 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 16:51 |
| aquatix | no case though? | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, actually does | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | tested it ;-) | 16:52 |
| aquatix | still, interesting | 16:52 |
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| ShadowJK | aquatix, it has faceplate and a bottom plate. Open on all sides though | 16:52 |
| ShadowJK | the plates were optional | 16:52 |
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| dmj7261 | GAN900 | 16:53 |
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| dmj7261 | GAN900: Yes...I'll have it in 20 mins | 16:53 |
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| ShadowJK | It's $49.00 now. I guess that might've been 30 Euro when I ordered it. | 16:53 |
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| ShadowJK | http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/digital-storage-oscilloscope-with-panels-p-514.html | 16:54 |
| ShadowJK | that site has tons of toys | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's really interesting gadget | 16:55 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not sure it's actually useful. | 16:55 |
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| ShadowJK | I was able to see ripples in the output of a PC PSU.. though I didn't compare known-good and known-bad ones which was my original intent :) | 16:55 |
| aquatix | ShadowJK: nice | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | well for 30 bucks that's still great | 16:56 |
| GAN900 | dmj7261, too late. :P | 16:56 |
| ShadowJK | it's somewhat more now at today's exchange rate... i think | 16:56 |
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| Ceron^ | does anyone use n900 phone @ work? | 17:00 |
| Ceron^ | does mail for exhange work :P | 17:00 |
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| Ceron^ | i have asked this question lots of times nobody seems to use it for normal sexchange emails | 17:01 |
| w00t | I use it at work, but we don't use exchange, so | 17:01 |
| w00t | ... sexchange? | 17:01 |
| w00t | lol. | 17:01 |
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| Ceron^ | doesnt anyone got a exchange account? | 17:02 |
| aquatix | google can do exchange sync for its calendar stuff | 17:02 |
| aquatix | useful, as i'm not aware of a working google calendar sync for maemo otherwise | 17:03 |
| Ceron^ | yeh but i need emails | 17:03 |
| aquatix | apart from khertan's client | 17:03 |
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| Ceron^ | i need emails and kalendar synced from microsoft exchange | 17:03 |
| Ceron^ | on the n900 | 17:03 |
| Ceron^ | calendar* | 17:03 |
| Ceron^ | like 90% of the biggest companies in the world do :p | 17:03 |
| jaska | exchange? no thanks :) | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | Ceron^: theres a large thread on talk.maemo.org about that | 17:04 |
| aquatix | hell, even universities convert to exchange :/ | 17:04 |
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| Ceron^ | Stskeeps: please give me the specific thread | 17:05 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, interesting | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | ' pippuri: New from @forumnokia: #maemo developers get free Ovi publishing via a free Launchpad membership! #maebar http://twitpic.com/s3mnv ' | 17:06 |
| v2px_ | .oO( Ceron^ http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=5832103 ) | 17:06 |
| LeoD | so many broken n900s? :( | 17:07 |
| w00t | LeoD: mm? | 17:07 |
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| LeoD | like how many people report that their n900 reboots randomly.. but i'm probably just going paranoid :/ | 17:09 |
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| fnordianslip | LeoD: how many don't report that it doesn't? | 17:10 |
| LeoD | yeah, i know :P | 17:10 |
| fnordianslip | there was a fair bit of that with the N8x0s too | 17:11 |
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| dmj726 | GAN900: you there? | 17:19 |
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| dmj726 | GAN900: http://imagebin.org/74066 | 17:21 |
| dmj726 | GAN900: http://imagebin.org/74067 | 17:22 |
| dmj726 | GAN900: you at the UX hackfest? | 17:23 |
| lardman | ~curse a2dp headphone manufacturers for not stating explicitly whether their headphones support more than just the SCB codec | 17:24 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, a2dp headphone manufacturers for not stating explicitly whether their headphones support more than just the SCB codec ! | 17:24 |
| orbarron | morning all | 17:24 |
| lardman | s/SCB/SBC of course | 17:24 |
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| LeoD | next thing to go paranoid about for me would be the battery life of the n900 | 17:25 |
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| naxxatoe | i have mine now for 3 days | 17:26 |
| naxxatoe | battery is fine | 17:26 |
| Dyresen | For me is it to stop rebooting 10 times an hour | 17:26 |
| naxxatoe | it kinda feels like the iphone | 17:26 |
| jaska | now i need to figure out if i can filter calls on n900 somehow (even if i have to code it myself).. other than disassembling the phone software parts | 17:26 |
| naxxatoe | because you connect it to power when you go to sleep | 17:26 |
| naxxatoe | and when you wake up, battery lasts till you go to sleep again | 17:27 |
| naxxatoe | so its quite ok ;) | 17:27 |
| LeoD | looks like some devices have really bad battery life while others are just fine | 17:27 |
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| naxxatoe | you have to look at it like this | 17:27 |
| naxxatoe | the iphone i had was similar in battery life to the n900 | 17:27 |
| fnordianslip | Some claim that old SIMs can drain the battery | 17:28 |
| naxxatoe | now when i compare the openmoko (standby time 1 hour on the freerunner) | 17:28 |
| naxxatoe | vs the 1 and a half days i get from n900 | 17:28 |
| naxxatoe | well.... you gotta figure that out yourself | 17:28 |
| LeoD | :) | 17:28 |
| LeoD | if it's really bad i guess i can still get me a second battery | 17:28 |
| naxxatoe | its ok | 17:29 |
| jaska | id probably need a new sim card then, my current one reads "tele" (from back when sonera was tele) | 17:29 |
| naxxatoe | just for your notice | 17:29 |
| fnordianslip | 1.5 days is better than i get. do you have skype continuously logged in or other accounts, over the cell network? | 17:29 |
| jaska | as in, 11+ year old sim | 17:29 |
| naxxatoe | i sleep 6 hours a day | 17:29 |
| naxxatoe | (or i am 6 hours in a bed depending on how you look at it) | 17:29 |
| naxxatoe | and thats more than enouph to give the battery all the power it needs for the time when i am not in bed ;) | 17:30 |
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| RainCT | uhm.. I'm trying to install the SDK but during the "apt-get update" the server says "permission denied" for several of the Sources files. I'm here at Citilab. Any idea? | 17:30 |
| naxxatoe | nope | 17:30 |
| fnordianslip | no good for all-night raves then ? | 17:30 |
| naxxatoe | i just use wirless | 17:30 |
| microlith | are you calling apt-get with fakeroot? | 17:30 |
| naxxatoe | and gsm | 17:30 |
| RainCT | microlith: the installer is doing | 17:30 |
| RainCT | not sure if it uses fakeroot | 17:31 |
| naxxatoe | as i dont have a data plan yet | 17:31 |
| microlith | ahh, the installer | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | RainCT: 401? | 17:31 |
| naxxatoe | but i have the audio player running like 80% of the time | 17:31 |
| RainCT | but it sees that some of the Sources file couldnpt get downloaded, tries setting up everything again, then aborts | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | RainCT: there's probably still a export filter issue. try to refresh | 17:31 |
| dmj726 | might need fakeroot | 17:31 |
| naxxatoe | turned down the brightness for a bit | 17:31 |
| RainCT | Stskeeps: yes 401 | 17:31 |
| naxxatoe | and disabled all the annoying sounds | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | RainCT: if daniel wilms is around, try to poke him | 17:31 |
| fnordianslip | i'm having some issues with the Tools and extras-testing at the mo - could be that? | 17:31 |
| fnordianslip | repos | 17:32 |
| naxxatoe | a friend of mine mentioned you can get more powerful battery or it | 17:32 |
| andre900 | define "some issues" | 17:32 |
| naxxatoe | but i am not shure about that | 17:32 |
| fnordianslip | i have a power-monkey that i use o top up mine if needed. keeps the uptime going - beter than a battery swap, although bulkier than a speare | 17:33 |
| fnordianslip | spare, even | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | i dont think there are any bigger batteries now | 17:34 |
| naxxatoe | what i also have (since i travel a lot) | 17:34 |
| fnordianslip | i have other cheapo battery packs that will not charge it | 17:34 |
| naxxatoe | is a portable usb charger | 17:34 |
| naxxatoe | wich is basically a battery pack that you can charge at home | 17:34 |
| RainCT | Stskeeps: ok, yeah he is here. Thanks | 17:34 |
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| naxxatoe | and then when you are on the road it can charge all usb phones | 17:34 |
| naxxatoe | or ipods | 17:34 |
| naxxatoe | its 1/3rd the size of a zigarette pack | 17:34 |
| naxxatoe | and n900 charges on it like in one hour | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | my tekkeon doesn't charge the N900 via the USB cable included with N900 :) | 17:35 |
| naxxatoe | from zero to hero | 17:35 |
| loufoque | how long does the N900 live on battery with wifi enabled? | 17:35 |
| naxxatoe | one and a half days | 17:35 |
| fnordianslip | i also have a litlte Freeplay radio/torch with a crank that outputs 5V. can charge the powermonkey with that, althoug would need performance enhancing drugs to give it a full charge without arm falling off | 17:35 |
| naxxatoe | if you use gsm | 17:35 |
| naxxatoe | kik fnordianslip | 17:36 |
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| ShadowJK | loufoque, depends on use ;-) | 17:36 |
| naxxatoe | lol | 17:36 |
| loufoque | so what's so bad about the battery life? | 17:36 |
| fnordianslip | ow | 17:36 |
| loufoque | i've read everywhere it was bad | 17:36 |
| naxxatoe | nothing | 17:36 |
| lardman | bmidgley: Have you done anything re adding support for mp3 over a2dp? I just saw a post by you here: http://www.howardforums.com/printthread.php?t=819057&page=17&pp=15 | 17:36 |
| naxxatoe | its like the iphone | 17:36 |
| naxxatoe | one and a half days on my average use and battery is drained | 17:37 |
| naxxatoe | wich means recharge when you go to sleep | 17:37 |
| ShadowJK | 3G and 30 irc channels in xchat was bad. 50% in 2 hours. Lasts entire day on edge though | 17:37 |
| naxxatoe | and no issues | 17:37 |
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| jaska | they need to start the miniaturization of radioisotope thermal generators | 17:37 |
| * ShadowJK hasn't had a phone in 5 years that hasn't been on charger at night | 17:37 | |
| naxxatoe | lol | 17:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | jaska: naah. | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | jaska: Implantable blood-glucose powered magnetic jacks. | 17:38 |
| naxxatoe | oh yeah and whilst you are at it | 17:38 |
| naxxatoe | kill the bluetooth thingie | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | jaska: Clip a device on, and you're good. | 17:38 |
| naxxatoe | that shit drains power like really fast | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | jaska: And it's diet too! | 17:38 |
| fnordianslip | SpeedEvil: +1 | 17:38 |
| FiSHBoY | jaska, got a line on some Pu238? ;) | 17:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | 10W = an extra mince pie a day. | 17:39 |
| jaska | id prefer pu-239, albeit not for rtgs | 17:39 |
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| loufoque | ShadowJK: so 4 hours for something not even CPU-intensive? | 17:40 |
| loufoque | I wonder how long it lasts if you compile something over NFS over wifi | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | While playing bounce. | 17:40 |
| naxxatoe | call me sick | 17:41 |
| jaska | nfs over wifi sounds... painful | 17:41 |
| naxxatoe | but i tried wifi - sshfs - gcc | 17:41 |
| naxxatoe | whilst listening to music | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | jaska: works OK | 17:41 |
| naxxatoe | answer is 3 hours 25 minutes | 17:41 |
| naxxatoe | with bluetooth enabled for the bt keyboard | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | how do you setup the VT keyb? | 17:41 |
| ShadowJK | loufoque, like I said, it depends on use and network conditions. And use doesn't necessarily mean CPU use. The type of activity generated by loads of irc channels keeps the 3g radio active constantly | 17:42 |
| loufoque | 3G requires more power than wifi? | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | it's all about wakeups | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | loufoque: lots | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | loufoque: well - depending | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | wifi with no psm will drain battery in a few hours too :) | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | loufoque: it is orders of magnitude less efficient for sending 100 bytes | 17:43 |
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| fnordianslip | anyone know how to sort out locale issues when using ssh from n900? don't think i ever solved it for my n800, but starting to annoy slightly now. | 17:43 |
| redeeman | ShadowJK: how can i see if my AP has psm? | 17:44 |
| ShadowJK | well, is your N900 warm? | 17:44 |
| redeeman | no | 17:44 |
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| * w00t found that he had bad router positioning with his n900 | 17:45 | |
| redeeman | ShadowJK: can you recommend an AP that will do PSM properly? | 17:47 |
| ShadowJK | my linksys wrt54gl seems to do it | 17:48 |
| * ShadowJK shrugs | 17:48 | |
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| ShadowJK | I have a LevelOne too | 17:48 |
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| redeeman | ohh i have a WAP54g but i don't use it | 17:48 |
| luke-jr | Linux doesn't support WRT54GL's wireless yet though | 17:48 |
| redeeman | luke-jr: the L stands for linux incase you didn't know | 17:48 |
| luke-jr | redeeman: yes, a proprietary fork of 2.4 | 17:48 |
| redeeman | true :( | 17:48 |
| luke-jr | that's not Linux anymore | 17:49 |
| luke-jr | that's a fork | 17:49 |
| loufoque | fnordianslip: locales? what would you need that for | 17:49 |
| redeeman | i should probably turn on my linksys wap54g then, and use instead of my chinaap | 17:49 |
| loufoque | english has taken over the world already | 17:49 |
| luke-jr | also, WRT54GL is very low on flash :x | 17:49 |
| hardaker | ok, newbie question I can't find the answer to: what module contains the AIM and Yahoo chat support? | 17:49 |
| redeeman | hardaker: telepathy probably | 17:49 |
| dmj726 | will tomato or ddwrt work on it? | 17:50 |
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| dmj726 | hardaker: there's a teelepathy plugin | 17:50 |
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| hardaker | they're not labeled well either though. | 17:50 |
| hardaker | unless it's telepathy-hazy | 17:50 |
| hardaker | probably, since it connects with libpurple | 17:51 |
| dmj726 | haze...i thnk that's it | 17:51 |
| fnordianslip | loufoque: last night i sshed into all my linux boxes after setting up the n900s key and ran an update on them. most of them upgraded perl, the install for which complained that i was using an incompatible char encoding (or something) complaining about the language and stuff that I don't specifically recall. | 17:51 |
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| fnordianslip | loufoque: i seem to remember the same issue on my n800. note that i have installed and am using bash, so it could be to do with that, i guess | 17:52 |
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| loufoque | what do you use on your linux box | 17:53 |
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| loufoque | and what do you use on the N900 | 17:53 |
| loufoque | try the "locale" command | 17:54 |
| fnordianslip | 1 debian etch, and a couple of ubuntu 9.04 | 17:54 |
| fnordianslip | oh, er, | 17:54 |
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| fnordianslip | i'm sure the linux box complained about LC_LANGUAGE (probably). the n900 doesn't show that when i use the 'locale' command | 17:55 |
| luke-jr | redeeman: correction: | 17:55 |
| luke-jr | b43 claims to support WRT54GL's chip | 17:55 |
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| luke-jr | so it's Openwrt that's slacking | 17:55 |
| loufoque | LC_LANGUAGE? Isn't that just LANG? | 17:56 |
| fnordianslip | loufoque: ah. all of the boxen are using UTF-8 | 17:56 |
| fnordianslip | hmm | 17:56 |
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| fnordianslip | and the one in Dallas is using en_US not en_GB. typcial! | 17:57 |
| hardaker | FYI, telepathy-extras seems to have pulled in pretty much every protocol ever developed | 17:57 |
| hardaker | (and I suspect it was haze that added the ones I was looking for) | 17:58 |
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| dmj726 | How is the UX hackfest going? | 18:09 |
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| RolaBlade | Help please... I cant browse the web from the maemo sdk browser. Anyone knows why is that? | 18:13 |
| Andy80 | so nice :) | 18:13 |
| Andy80 | and interesting | 18:13 |
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| fnordianslip | RolaBlade: try using dig to see if name resolution is working | 18:14 |
| derf | lardman: Are you going to be around this weekend? | 18:14 |
| fnordianslip | RolaBlade: ah, is dig even in the sdk install, not sure. nslookup otherwise | 18:15 |
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| RolaBlade | fnordianslip: I can install apps from repository but the browser is not working | 18:16 |
| fnordianslip | fnordianslip: oh. hmm | 18:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | does ping www.google.com work? | 18:17 |
| RolaBlade | SpeedEvil: ping: command not found | 18:18 |
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| RolaBlade | SpeedEvil: ping was not found | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | maemo extras-devel: ERROR: no hashkey foo | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | known issue? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | sadly | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ETA to fix? or any workaround? | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | wait, retry? | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | k | 18:24 |
| RolaBlade | someone... please help | 18:24 |
| Andy80 | RolaBlade: you need to fix your resolv.conf | 18:25 |
| fnordianslip | RolaBlade: why do you need the browser in the SDK to work? | 18:25 |
| Andy80 | RolaBlade: sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 18:25 |
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| RolaBlade | Andy80: have done that already. I can access the internet. I used wget to download a file but the browser specifically does not work | 18:26 |
| RolaBlade | fnordianslip: because I want it to work. | 18:26 |
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| fnordianslip | ok. good enough for me. | 18:27 |
| Andy80 | RolaBlade: are you using any proxy in browser? | 18:27 |
| Andy80 | RolaBlade: try to start thw browser from the command line and tell me if it works | 18:28 |
| RolaBlade | Andy80: really dont know | 18:28 |
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| RolaBlade | Andy80: okay... let me start it from command line | 18:28 |
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| RolaBlade | Andy80: please do you know the command to start the default browser? | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Has anyone looked at the geotagged images from the n900 | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Are the geotags snapped to a ~15m*30m grid ? | 18:33 |
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| fnordianslip | the extras-testing and tools repos seem to be working again now | 18:34 |
| ensi | RolaBlade: i think its a d-bus message to somewhere | 18:35 |
| RolaBlade | ensi: dont understand... can you explain please? | 18:35 |
| ensi | RolaBlade: you send a d-bus message to the system bus dont know the object path, sorry | 18:36 |
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| ensi | RolaBlade: you can try dbus-monitor and try clicking on link somewhere that launches the browser you might see the message | 18:37 |
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| jebba | how can the n900 appear as a drive to a macintosh? there anything like samba for it or similar? | 18:38 |
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| mgedmin | no, it pretends to be a USB mass storage device | 18:39 |
| cehteh | unfortunally :P | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | aka "flash key" or "USB hard drive" | 18:39 |
| fnordianslip | jebba: i've used sshfs with macfuse before, butnot yet with the n900 | 18:39 |
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| cehteh | that will be the first thing to disable when it arrives :P | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | eh? | 18:40 |
| tank-man | he probably meant wirelessly | 18:40 |
| RolaBlade | ensi: nothing... I guess I am stuck with this one :( | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | really? the n900 appears as a device on a mac, wirelessly??? | 18:40 |
| cehteh | well samba should be available for ARM .. and thus easy to port to maemo | 18:40 |
| ensi | RolaBlade: do you have Qt? | 18:40 |
| RolaBlade | ensi: yeah... i have Qt installed | 18:40 |
| * mgedmin does not believe | 18:40 | |
| ensi | RolaBlade: is your app Qt then? | 18:41 |
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| xorAxAx | cehteh: what to disable? | 18:41 |
| xorAxAx | cehteh: did you order already? | 18:41 |
| RolaBlade | ensi: what do you mean my app? | 18:41 |
| cehteh | ordered a month ago :P | 18:42 |
| cehteh | disable that it connects as usb storage device | 18:42 |
| cehteh | .. i'd prefer charging and usb networking | 18:42 |
| ensi | RolaBlade: well whatever you are doing is it done with Qt? | 18:42 |
| cehteh | i hate it when i have to turn off my music to upload new one | 18:43 |
| RolaBlade | ensi: I just tried to surf the net with the maemo default browser | 18:43 |
| orbarron | ping: KaKaRoTo | 18:43 |
| xorAxAx | cehteh: where did you order? | 18:43 |
| RolaBlade | ensi: the browser is the problem.. i cant seem to surf the net with it. | 18:43 |
| ensi | RolaBlade: oh sorry i misunderstood the problem | 18:43 |
| ensi | RolaBlade: have you set a DNS? | 18:44 |
| cehteh | mp3-player.de .. cheapest in germany and i once buyed there too, service was quite ok | 18:44 |
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| ensi | you need to put a name server address in /etc/resolve.conf | 18:44 |
| xorAxAx | cehteh: whats the expected delivery date? | 18:45 |
| RolaBlade | ensi: I have done that already. I can use wget to download files from the internet | 18:45 |
| cehteh | you joking? :) | 18:45 |
| RolaBlade | but the browser is just not working | 18:45 |
| ensi | RolaBlade: sorry can't help then | 18:45 |
| xorAxAx | cehteh: well, amazon has it on stock already | 18:45 |
| RolaBlade | ensi: Thanks a lot for your help | 18:46 |
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| cehteh | yes since a few days .. but 100 eur more expensive | 18:46 |
| xorAxAx | the other dealers say jan 2010 | 18:46 |
| cehteh | maybe | 18:46 |
| cehteh | i just wait, i dont want to pay premium for being allowed to be a alpha tester :P | 18:47 |
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| cehteh | maybe i get mine before chrismas :P | 18:47 |
| cehteh | well and if they dont ship when i need it or someone else becomes cheaper i just cancel | 18:48 |
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| cehteh | its just a nice toy but i dont must have it | 18:48 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 18:49 |
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| mtnbkr | anyone know how to get "mail" on N900 to see sub folders of INBOX for an IMAP account? Or sub fulders of any folder for that matter? | 18:54 |
| hardaker | they need to be "subscribed" on the imap server. | 18:55 |
| hardaker | have another mail client "subscribe" the folders and they'll appear on the n900 | 18:55 |
| hardaker | (it took me a bit to figure that out) | 18:55 |
| hardaker | there is no way to have the n900 do the subscribing yet. | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | it took me ages + reading the bug on maemo.org to figure that out | 18:55 |
| mtnbkr | hardaker: they are - and are seen fine in Thunderbird and on my iPhone (before I gave it to my wife lol) | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | also, my one ancient dovecot server tells modest that all my folders are subscribed | 18:55 |
| hardaker | I think thunderbird and the iphone don't use the subscription mechanism. | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | even when I try to unsubscribe from some | 18:56 |
| hardaker | if you're using dovecot, go to your mail dir and edit the "subscriptions" file. that's actually *exactly* what I did ;-) | 18:56 |
| mtnbkr | plus another annoyance is that when therea re LARGE amouns of email in the INBOX iphone handled it gracefully and d/l'ed the headers for only 50 or 100 or whatever I set. N900 mail seems to d/l ALL headers when mail starts and that sucks if you have 7k+ emails in INBOX :( | 18:57 |
| * SpeedEvil files his first bug. | 18:57 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:57 |
| mtnbkr | hardaker: this is a Zimbra server... I guess I can do some testing on my Cyrus IMAP server too for comparison. | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil, wooha | 18:59 |
| hardaker | mtnbkr: try thunderbird. I believe it actually has a "subscribe to this" drop down when you right click on the folder or something. | 19:00 |
| mtnbkr | hardaker: Right... they are all subscribed - just double checked | 19:00 |
| hardaker | ah, well, then you're screwed! | 19:00 |
| hardaker | sorry. | 19:00 |
| hardaker | I'm sure there's a way to make it happen. | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wired hs button actually works in dialer, at least to cut calls | 19:01 |
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| hardaker | I'd be tempted to use a python/perl IMAP module to try and connect to the server to figure out what it thinks is subscribed. | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 | 19:01 |
| povbot` | Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading. | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | now to check out all the other hardware in detail :) | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bt as well. plus bt hs mediakey "play" actually works with mediaplayer | 19:01 |
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| embedded | hi all | 19:05 |
| embedded | who knows where are stored the shell settings for the root user under Maemo 5? | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in /root ? | 19:06 |
| mgedmin | what are "shell settings"??? | 19:06 |
| hardaker | (and /etc/profile) | 19:07 |
| embedded | I mean the settings for aliases, prompt, etc. | 19:07 |
| hardaker | they'd be in /root/.profile if you want to create some | 19:07 |
| embedded | for the "user" they are stored into the file ".profile", but for the "root" user ??? | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | nowhere, since the root user never logs in interactively | 19:08 |
| hardaker | mgedmin: tell that to the openssh sshd | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | if you ssh root@yournokia, then in /root/.profile | 19:08 |
| johnsq | embedded: look where roots home in /etc/passwd there you can create .profile | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | hardaker, yeah, occurred to me just after I pressed enter | 19:08 |
| hardaker | heh. | 19:08 |
| hardaker | in fact, when you install it by default the user *can't* log in so all you can do is log in as root! | 19:08 |
| embedded | I have a N900 but the strange thing is that for both users "user" and "root" the home is the same dir "/home/user" | 19:09 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 does a cat /etc/passwd | 19:10 | |
| ShadowJK | try su - after gainroot | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | gainroot is equivalent to simple su | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | su - gives root's environment too | 19:10 |
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| embedded | I have created a ".profile" file into the "/home/user" directory and when I open XTerminal the shell successfully gets the settings from it | 19:12 |
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| embedded | but it doesn't work if I do a "sudo gainroot" to switch to the "root" user | 19:13 |
| Frye | Evening folks | 19:13 |
| hardaker | if it was evening, I wouldn't be working. sigh. | 19:13 |
| Frye | Is there a good irc client available for N900 yet? | 19:13 |
| fnordianslip | xchat & irssi | 19:13 |
| Frye | is there a repo for xchat? | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | root:SU.odxp3Vs:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh | 19:14 |
| Frye | or do I need to download the package somewhere? | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | heh, now we can crack your root password, DocScrutinizer51 | 19:14 |
| fnordianslip | but u may need to go into the devel repo for that, and don't ever edit the settings in the gui | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah | 19:14 |
| hardaker | Frye: it's in extras-testing I think (maybe -devel) | 19:14 |
| johnsq | DocScrutinizer51: you shound now change your password | 19:14 |
| Frye | ok | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin, never :-P | 19:14 |
| Frye | I'll take a look | 19:14 |
| hardaker | DocScrutinizer51: ditto what johnsq says ! | 19:14 |
| embedded | no one can help me?? | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | think I,m noob? | 19:15 |
| fnordianslip | embedded: just "root" ? | 19:15 |
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| hardaker | embedded: I just type "root" | 19:16 |
| derf | Nice. | 19:16 |
| Flandry | When does the debmaster get back? | 19:16 |
| derf | Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) | 19:16 |
| derf | Segmentation fault | 19:16 |
| Flandry | it's always segmentation's fault | 19:17 |
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| mgedmin | embedded, .profile is only used for login shells | 19:18 |
| mgedmin | sudo doesn't spawn a login shell | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | su - does | 19:18 |
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| mgedmin | embedded, I created a ~/.ashrc and put export ENV=$HOME/.ashrc into my ~/.profile on the n900 | 19:18 |
| mgedmin | that makes /bin/sh read ~/.ashrc for non-login shells | 19:18 |
| mgedmin | my PS1 etc are set in .ashrc | 19:19 |
| hardaker | better yet: apt-get install bash; chsh | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | don't work with sudo gainroot anyway | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | but I edited /etc/sudoers to allow everything for my user | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | and use sudo -s | 19:19 |
| * mgedmin is scared of chsh -- what if the n900 won't boot? | 19:19 | |
| derf | mgedmin: Test early. | 19:19 |
| embedded | ok, I'll try it | 19:19 |
| hardaker | mgedmin: it did for me ;-) | 19:19 |
| derf | Early versions of bash would hose the tablet if you made it user's shell. | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | csh is evil ;-) | 19:20 |
| derf | But I think by the N810 they actually worked properly. | 19:20 |
| hardaker | bZP/wF9hPT6lM | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | that looks like a secure password | 19:20 |
| fnordianslip | bash is nice on n900. | 19:21 |
| hardaker | ha, no... | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maemo-devel? | 19:21 |
| hardaker | sadly it was the real crypted (now old) password. | 19:21 |
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| hardaker | I meant to paste: root:imnotanoobeither:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash | 19:21 |
| hardaker | Oh, the irony | 19:22 |
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| fnordianslippers | lol | 19:22 |
| * hardaker weeps | 19:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | muhaha | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | <hardaker> DocScrutinizer51: ditto what johnsq says ! | 19:23 |
| * hardaker crawls under the desk | 19:23 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | U bet my crypt was "edited to protect my privacy" | 19:25 |
| jebba | wow. amazon finally lists n900 as in stock | 19:25 |
| * mgedmin once pasted his password in plain text to an irc channel | 19:26 | |
| mgedmin | you at least had the sense to paste hashes | 19:26 |
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| hardaker | DocScrutinizer51: yeah, mine was *supposed* to be. Except my copy ring didn't contain what I expected. | 19:26 |
| * hardaker is a big fan of the "show my password" firefox add-on | 19:28 | |
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| Khertan | hi everyone ! | 19:30 |
| derf | Sigh... why is alarmd's svn repo in garage "developer only"? | 19:30 |
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| Stskeeps | derf: prod them to open it or move to maemo.gitorious.org | 19:31 |
| Khertan | ~seen jaffa | 19:31 |
| infobot | jaffa is currently on #maemo (1d 5h 33m 21s), last said: 'evo: No, App Mgr only shows Section: user/* apps'. | 19:31 |
| derf | (note that a) I wouldn't care if alarmtool was in the repo and b) I can get it from the commits mailing list... painfully) | 19:31 |
| jebba | anyone remember the X11 tool that allows you to move your mouse from computer to computer? Sort of like xinerama, but each screen is a different computer. Like if I move my mouse far to the left, it would move into the screen of the n900 and I would control that. If I moved it far to the right, it would be controling the computer/screen of some workstation, and in the center, controling my laptop | 19:32 |
| Khertan | Someone know i can t select a treeview row when this one is put in a hildon Pannable area ? | 19:32 |
| lardman | x2x | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | derf: alarmd is in SDK-free afaik? | 19:32 |
| derf | I don't want alarmd. | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:32 |
| derf | I want alarmtool. | 19:32 |
| Khertan | jebba ? synergy ? | 19:33 |
| derf | Oh, wait, it's already installed somehow? | 19:33 |
| derf | Nevermind then. | 19:33 |
| derf | I thought it was a separate package, like before. | 19:33 |
| derf | But apparently not. | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | derf: alarmd src package has alarmtool.c | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | jebba: synergy? | 19:34 |
| jebba | Khertan: will check it out thx. ShadowJK too :) | 19:34 |
| derf | alarmtool: error while loading shared libraries: libalarm.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 19:34 |
| Khertan | Someone know i can t select a treeview row when this one is put in a hildon Pannable area ? on row-axtivated there is nothing in the selected iter ... | 19:34 |
| derf | So much for that. | 19:34 |
| lardman | jebba: x2x | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | derf: libalarm installed? | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | (libalarm2) | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | battery.rechargeable.is_charging = true (bool) | 19:34 |
| derf | libalarm2: Installed: 1.1.11+0m5 | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | battery.rechargeable.is_discharging = true (bool) | 19:34 |
| lardman | jebba: there was something else too, on the iPaqs iirc | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | derf: odd | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe, quite fiunny | 19:35 |
| derf | It's now /usr/lib/libalarm.so.2 | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | derf: seems like a build script screwed up somewhere | 19:35 |
| derf | Yes, so it would seem. | 19:35 |
| derf | Where's that source package? | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/a/alarmd/ | 19:36 |
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| derf | Okay, in there it's now "alarmclient". | 19:39 |
| jebba | lardman|gone: ya, x2x rings a bell | 19:39 |
| Khertan | Someone know i can t select a treeview row when this one is put in a hildon Pannable area ? on row-activated signals there is nothing in the selection iter ... | 19:39 |
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| derf | The alarmtool I got was from my partially-installed, old alarmtool package. | 19:40 |
| hardaker | x2x is definitely one, but I tihnk there is another not X-specific. | 19:40 |
| derf | (it failed during setup) | 19:40 |
| Khertan | +why | 19:40 |
| hardaker | (and last I looked at x2x it was still using imake) | 19:40 |
| hardaker | note that the n900 has a vncserver in -devel | 19:41 |
| derf | Okay, alarmclient works. | 19:42 |
| derf | No idea why that package isn't in any repo. | 19:42 |
| derf | Stskeeps: Thanks. | 19:42 |
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| * hardaker needs an alarm that has a configurable snooze | 19:45 | |
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| * hardaker wishes the calendar alarm was configurable. | 19:45 | |
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| hardaker | sort of odd that the only snooze time is 10 minutes, but yet you can't set the "warn me before" time to only 5 min and 15 min!!! | 19:46 |
| bilboed-tp | anyone knows where/when this evening's celebrations are for the bcn long weekend ? | 19:46 |
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| fnordianslip | hardaker: i recall reading something about flipclock supporting variable snoozes, although i've never tried it, and its living with the wolves in extras-devel i believe | 19:47 |
| hardaker | I'm amazed at how much appears in -devel from one day to the next ;-) | 19:48 |
| hardaker | I think it doubled between 2 days ago and yesterday | 19:48 |
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| Khertan | jaffa : aremyou herem? | 19:49 |
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| Khertan | ^ the space key is really too short | 19:50 |
| fnordianslip | yesm | 19:51 |
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| RST38h | "Initial speculation that the caller was merely conducting a prank was quickly dispelled upon realization that the item continued operation despite the removal of its internal power supply." | 19:51 |
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| fnordianslip | ? | 19:52 |
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| fnordianslip | fnord | 19:55 |
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| Khertan | Someone where i can found the hildon ui mode ? what is this constant ? | 20:02 |
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| Khertan | Please activate JavaScript to enable the search functionality.nSearch ResultsnnYour search did not match any documents. Please make sure that all words are spelled correctly and that you've selected enough categories. | 20:04 |
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| Khertan | nice core reference search feature | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | nothing to see here, move along | 20:05 |
| konttori | Khertan: what is? | 20:05 |
| Khertan | this treeview will made me sad | 20:05 |
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| Khertan | konttori: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/python_hildon_manual/search.html?q=ui+mode&check_keywords=yes&area=default | 20:05 |
| konttori | that it didn't return any results? | 20:06 |
| Khertan | Someone know whyi can t select a treeview row when this one is put in a hildon Pannable area ? on row-axtivated there is nothing in the selected iter ... | 20:06 |
| Khertan | konttori: nop any | 20:06 |
| Khertan | and i know there is as there is refence to this"ui mode" everwhere withoutsaying where i can found this constant | 20:07 |
| RST38h | moo, konttori. | 20:08 |
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| konttori | RST38h: sup? | 20:08 |
| * konttori is happy as the first SSU update is done. Waiting to be delivered. (phew - finally - a breather) | 20:09 | |
| RST38h | konttori: Not much. Honestly tried compiling Vulture's Eye. The UI and the core Nethack stuff compile, but I am having trouble combining them ;( | 20:09 |
| konttori | ah. I loved nethack on 770. | 20:09 |
| konttori | and n810. | 20:09 |
| RST38h | konttori: In other words, if you ever had to deal with Nethack sources before, let me know =) | 20:10 |
| RST38h | Oh, I have got N900 Nethack binaries, but that isn't particularly interesting | 20:10 |
| konttori | I have no clue about it. I can imagine that they are quite complex. | 20:10 |
| RST38h | Not really, a lot of people worked on them | 20:10 |
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| RST38h | It is substituing the display frontend that I cannot figure out | 20:11 |
| konttori | All I remember about nethack is an exercise on C class at the university: Create a nethack-like game. | 20:11 |
| RST38h | To have this: http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Vulture%27s | 20:11 |
| * Khertan always die quickly on nethack as he didn t undertood most of the text | 20:11 | |
| konttori | I really hope you can pull it off | 20:12 |
| Khertan | if only there translated version of nethack | 20:12 |
| Khertan | +is | 20:12 |
| Khertan | maybe add a google translate plugin :) | 20:12 |
| * RST38h just deleted the sources: could not figure it out =( | 20:13 | |
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| Flandry | hehe now that would be a true abomination | 20:13 |
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| Khertan | noone have yet made a git version that can be used to push from n900 to garage.maemo.org ? | 20:16 |
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| Khertan | rah and the pymaemo doc is most of the time wrong .... grrrrr | 20:21 |
| Khertan | there isn t any hildon_gtk_tree_view_new in hildon ! | 20:21 |
| * GAN900 yawns. | 20:21 | |
| GAN900 | Fun stuff in store for docs. | 20:21 |
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| lizardo | Khertan: you should be reporting these errors in either pymaemo-developers or bugzilla :) | 20:22 |
| redeeman | tbf: hello again, i tried the stuff on the link you provided, for orientation, it doesn't work | 20:22 |
| Khertan | lizardo : of course i do it ! :) | 20:22 |
| Khertan | lizardo : maybe you can help me ? in fighting with a treeview selection in a pannable area ... | 20:24 |
| lizardo | Khertan: I'm no gtk expert :( | 20:24 |
| lizardo | Khertan: I believe your doubt is generic, not even Python specific, right ? | 20:24 |
| Khertan | i can select a treeview row when this one is put in a hildon Pannable area but on row-axtivated there is nothing in the selected iter ... | 20:24 |
| Khertan | lizardo oki | 20:24 |
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| lizardo | Khertan: I suggest you ask it on the pygtk list | 20:25 |
| Khertan | lizardo right | 20:25 |
| Khertan | it s more an hildon problem than a pygtk one :) | 20:25 |
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| Flandry | ~seen pupnik | 20:26 |
| Khertan | as without using a pannable area it s works :) | 20:26 |
| infobot | pupnik <n=pupnik@unaffiliated/pupnik> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 12h 52m 27s ago, saying: 'sorry maemo'. | 20:26 |
| Flandry | anyone know what happened to pupnik? | 20:26 |
| lizardo | Khertan: do you have some simple code that I can check? | 20:26 |
| lizardo | Khertan: if so, paste in on pastebin | 20:26 |
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| Khertan | lizardo : i vent simple code but i ll try to make one quickly | 20:27 |
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| wazd | partialy back :) | 20:27 |
| wazd | just had heavy surgery in my mouth :) | 20:27 |
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| lizardo | Khertan: I have to not program much in GTK/PyGTK, but I can simply convert your snippet to C and modify it until it works, then make equivalent changes to the python code :) | 20:28 |
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| lizardo | s/I have to not/I do not/ | 20:28 |
| infobot | lizardo meant: Khertan: I do not program much in GTK/PyGTK, but I can simply convert your snippet to C and modify it until it works, then make equivalent changes to the python code :) | 20:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | Are there >2 stages for bounce? | 20:28 |
| lizardo | Khertan: BTW, do you happen to find what you are trying to do somewhere ? | 20:29 |
| lizardo | Khertan: e.g. some C example , or other application in Maemo | 20:29 |
| * lizardo is more of the "learn by example" school | 20:30 | |
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| Khertan | lizardo : me too i like the lean by example ... haven t found one in c or py doing what i m trying to do | 20:33 |
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| Khertan | a click on a row in a treeview open a dialog showing details | 20:34 |
| Khertan | but when signal : row-activated is emitted there is no selection in the gtk.Iter | 20:35 |
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| lizardo | Khertan: and what about something like: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Graphical_UI_Tutorial/Data_selection#Touch_selector isn't it enough ? | 20:38 |
| jebba | which SDK do people recommend. http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ or http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/Platforms/Maemo/ (I'm going to run this on fedora 12 x86_64...) | 20:38 |
| Khertan | lizardo : not really :) | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems mailclient locks up on unknown responses of pop3 server. like "minpoll: 15minutes" | 20:40 |
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| lizardo | Khertan: I wonder if anyone else besides you has a mental picture of what you want to do :) | 20:42 |
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| Khertan | lizardo : 2s i m finisshing my example | 20:43 |
| Khertan | it s quite slow due to the n900 keyboard | 20:44 |
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| sejo | did someone succeed in setting up the sdk for maemo5 on 64 xit? | 20:47 |
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| Khertan | lizardo of course my example isn t working :) | 20:48 |
| lizardo | Khertan: yes, so I wonder , how can you explain to others what you want to do if it does not work? a picture maybe? :) | 20:50 |
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| Khertan | lizardo yep a picture will be easy :) | 20:52 |
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| jebba | sejo: i'm going to do it RSN, on fedora x86_64. Just trying to figure out which is best SDK... | 20:54 |
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| sejo | jebba: thx found a howto for gentoo trying it now | 20:55 |
| jebba | sejo: URL? | 20:55 |
| jebba | you should just be able to install i386 libs and be fine | 20:56 |
| sejo | jebba http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33073 | 20:56 |
| sejo | well compiling everything | 20:56 |
| Khertan | lizardo: http://www.monsterup.com/image.php?url=upload/1259952939798.png | 20:56 |
| Khertan | i m trying to get the selected row when i click on a row | 20:57 |
| sejo | Khertan: gtd? | 20:57 |
| Khertan | gtd ? | 20:57 |
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| sejo | getting things done | 20:57 |
| Khertan | sejo :) | 20:57 |
| sejo | methodology? | 20:57 |
| Khertan | yep a bit like but my version | 20:58 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:58 |
| sejo | lol | 20:58 |
| jebba | is the official SDK still based on scratchbox 1? | 20:58 |
| sejo | dunno | 20:58 |
| Khertan | with a do it now, next (in 7 days) and future (the rest undone in the future) | 20:59 |
| lizardo | Khertan: and why you are trying to put the list on a pannable area? | 21:00 |
| lizardo | Khertan: isn't it scrollable already? | 21:01 |
| lizardo | Khertan: (the s/list/treeview/) | 21:01 |
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| yannj | Khertan : I 'll ask you a favour in a few time, I wrote an apps to receive SFR TV and I'll need testers... | 21:01 |
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| Khertan | lizardo : because a treeview isn t scrollable | 21:03 |
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| jebba | wtf is VDSO32 anyway (ala sysctl abi.vsyscall32=0) | 21:04 |
| Khertan | yannj yep of course | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I knew that once | 21:05 |
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| Khertan | yannj but i did n t think i have tv in my contract | 21:05 |
| yannj | Khertan : illimytics? | 21:06 |
| lizardo | Khertan: well, It really looks strange to me to have a list item in a pannable area... why not making a pannable list like that touch selector I sent to you? | 21:06 |
| lizardo | (my opinition :) | 21:06 |
| Khertan | yannj it s an old contract with unlimited web access ... but half the price of the illimytics contract :) | 21:06 |
| yannj | Khertan : right you certainly don't have a TV access... | 21:07 |
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| Khertan | lizardo : touch selector have clearly not the same use | 21:08 |
| lizardo | Khertan: I do not mean using the touch selector, but creating a widget like it :) | 21:08 |
| lizardo | Khertan: in practice, you want a scrollable/kinetic check list , right ? | 21:08 |
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| jebbajeb | anyone using SDK+ ? scratchbox2. http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ | 21:18 |
| Flandry | hmmm | 21:21 |
| Flandry | :( | 21:22 |
| Sargun | My Maemo wont work with MfE | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | go state your issue on tmo | 21:23 |
| RST38h | jebba: yes? | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35136 | 21:23 |
| andre__ | Sargun, which Exchange version? | 21:24 |
| Sargun | andre900, an old one | 21:24 |
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| Sargun_Screen | Still here. | 21:25 |
| Sargun_Screen | just not all of me. | 21:25 |
| jebbajeb | RST38h: how does it compare with the default one? | 21:25 |
| Sargun_Screen | - Ohoho! What about Exchange 2003? | 21:25 |
| Sargun_Screen | - Wait for sw. update. | 21:25 |
| Sargun_Screen | yeah, waiting for SW update | 21:25 |
| RST38h | jebba: it is saner | 21:25 |
| jebbajeb | RST38h: you recommend it over the regular one? I'm installing on fedora 12 x86_64, and both SDKs target apt/i386 world more... | 21:27 |
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| RST38h | jebba: x86_64 is a bad idea, so is Redhat | 21:30 |
| jebbajeb | RST38h: well, my computer here is x86_64, so there's no real goign back. And I have fedora installed, and that isn't going to change either. I'm working with what i've got. | 21:31 |
| RST38h | jebba: Well, then try installing and see what happens | 21:32 |
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| luke-jr | jebbajeb: uh, you can run x86_32 on x86_64 CPUs | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | there's always chroots... | 21:35 |
| jebbajeb | luke-jr: ya. Well probably just install more i686 libs etc (already have glibc.i686, for example) | 21:36 |
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| luke-jr | I don't do dual 32/64 mixed systems | 21:37 |
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| jebbajeb | normally i dont either, but i had to to install the maemo_flasher program | 21:40 |
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| jebbajeb | i did install the older SDKs in qemu, but was painfully slow (no VT bit in my CPU) | 21:40 |
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| andre__ | heja, anybody around with Windows 7 32-bit who can confirm bug 6453? | 21:42 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6453 Unable to transfer file over Bluetooth from Windows Explorer | 21:42 |
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| luke-jr | that's a feature! | 21:43 |
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| crashanddie | SDK would appear to be officially broken: http://slexy.org/view/s21M7Qadsn | 21:47 |
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| * Arkenoi just sold my old e90. $400, about twice i expected ;-) | 21:48 | |
| Xisdibik | andre__: have a link to bug 6453? | 21:48 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6453 Unable to transfer file over Bluetooth from Windows Explorer | 21:48 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: seems like a good way to deal with patch bugfixes is to offer them as merge requests on maemo.gitorious.org | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: i got 2 patches accepted that way | 21:48 |
| crashanddie | that's the 3rd install I do on Karmic Koala in about a month, once by using the command line scripts, once by using the Qt-GUI installer, same result twice. Scratchbox appears to work nicely, however Xephyr + graphical environment are dead | 21:48 |
| crashanddie | s/3rd/2nd/ | 21:49 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: that's the 2nd install I do on Karmic Koala in about a month, once by using the command line scripts, once by using the Qt-GUI installer, same result twice. Scratchbox appears to work nicely, however Xephyr + graphical environment are dead | 21:49 |
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| andre__ | Xisdibik, see the link that povbot provided :) | 21:49 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, uh, care to elaborate? examples? | 21:49 |
| Vink_ | Hi, I got N900 today | 21:50 |
| Vink_ | does telepathy has a facebook/ twitter service? | 21:50 |
| Xisdibik | andre__: but thats too easy ;) | 21:50 |
| jebbajeb | crashanddie: looks like you just need to isntall qemu | 21:50 |
| andre__ | grr. flash broken | 21:50 |
| Xisdibik | Vink_: congrats on your n900 :D | 21:50 |
| * andre__ boots another machine | 21:50 | |
| Vink_ | I dont see a facebook/ twitter app | 21:50 |
| andre__ | Vink_, what exactly do you expect for such an app? :) | 21:50 |
| crashanddie | jebbajeb: I'm running qemu, I'm in scratchbox ARMEL | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: http://bit.ly/8AhmFP , http://bit.ly/7pPEpG | 21:50 |
| Vink_ | I though the telepathy had an account manager to connect to them | 21:51 |
| pwnguin | oh snap | 21:51 |
| pwnguin | my order status says shipped! | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: i frankly expected them to be completely ignored, glad to be wrong :) | 21:51 |
| * pwnguin does the happy dance | 21:52 | |
| Vink_ | I see only jabber, skype etc | 21:52 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, nice | 21:52 |
| andre__ | Vink_, again: what do you expect, and where? | 21:52 |
| * Xisdibik snaps a picture of pwnguin doing the happy dance with his n900 | 21:52 | |
| Vink_ | I expect a facebook/ twitter app | 21:53 |
| crashanddie | Vink_: check in the application manager if there is no plug-in for telepathy to support twitter/facebook. It might not be installed by default -- if available at all | 21:53 |
| crashanddie | Vink_: don't expect to be spoon fed either | 21:54 |
| crashanddie | or my harsh reality hammer might smash your fingers | 21:54 |
| Vink_ | dont see it in the App manager | 21:54 |
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| crashanddie | hi andre__, how's it going? | 21:57 |
| andre__ | crashanddie, busy as hell, but fine apart from that :-P | 21:57 |
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| odin_ | what does "el" in "armel" mean ? embedded linux ? embedded little-endian ? | 21:57 |
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| Robot101 | odin_: endian little. its a joke :) | 21:58 |
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| Flandry | haha | 21:58 |
| Flandry | i never realized that's what it meant | 21:58 |
| odin_ | Robot101, a joke ? I know of "mips" has big and little variants | 21:59 |
| andre__ | Vink_, there is Hermes, but that is not ready for consumption I think, hence it has not yet reached Extras and is not yet in Application Manager | 21:59 |
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| Flandry | the joke is that it's backwards | 21:59 |
| andre__ | somebody may correct me | 21:59 |
| Flandry | odin_: arm does too, and armel is the little-endian target | 21:59 |
| odin_ | so what endian is "arm" ? are all arm CPUs little-endian ? | 22:00 |
| Robot101 | arm can be either | 22:00 |
| odin_ | ok like MIPS, can it switch back and forth ? | 22:00 |
| Robot101 | so there are armel and armbe architectures in some distributions | 22:00 |
| Robot101 | yeah | 22:00 |
| Robot101 | armel is *much* more common | 22:00 |
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| odin_ | ok thanks for info | 22:00 |
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| mikkov__ | Hermes is in Extras, but it's not facebook or twitter app | 22:01 |
| Vink_ | andre__, I see facebook in the app Manager->uninstall, that means it is installed, but again cant find it | 22:01 |
| andre__ | Vink_, what is the exact name of it? | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | There isn't a way of connecting an external antenna to the n900 that I've missed? | 22:02 |
| odin_ | is there a (good/useful) GUI based IRC client ? to run on N900 ? | 22:02 |
| Flandry | no | 22:02 |
| mikkov__ | but there is pidgin and xchat | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: pidgin is there - but it won't actually login to IRC | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | for some reason I haven't worked out | 22:03 |
| Flandry | but enough requests that it seems one is due | 22:03 |
| andre__ | odin_, xchat works more or less, but it's not ready for mainstream. it's in the extras-devel catalogue which means unstable software that might drain your battery and turn your device into a brick | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | A brick of gold? | 22:03 |
| andre900 | odin_, because this is written from xchat on the n900 | 22:04 |
| andre__ | so it kind of works :-P | 22:04 |
| odin_ | ah that reminds me I need to fix what I setup wrong with extras-devel catalog | 22:04 |
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| andre__ | odin_, as long as you are aware that extras-devel IS risky, okay :) | 22:05 |
| odin_ | you can recovery an N900 via USB cable, from a bricked state ? | 22:05 |
| crashanddie | odin_: mostly yes | 22:05 |
| odin_ | I am a s/w (kernel) devel also, so thats ok, thanks for warning | 22:05 |
| andre__ | ah, okay :) | 22:05 |
| odin_ | I just got my N900 a week ago | 22:05 |
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| Stskeeps | odin_: just don't toy with NOLO/X-loader and you should be fine | 22:05 |
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| * eMHa is just $HOME (installing apps on my new n900 the debian way :-) | 22:06 | |
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| jebbajeb | xchat also crashes when you save prefs, so you have to edit ~/.xchat2/xchat.conf manually | 22:08 |
| jebbajeb | yes | 22:08 |
| jebbajeb | with maemo_flasher | 22:08 |
| andre__ | yeah, annoying | 22:09 |
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| Xisdibik | jebbajeb: or just dont change the settings ;) | 22:11 |
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| fnordianslip | crashanddie: how's the mac ? | 22:13 |
| odin_ | the built in IM client will that ever support MSN and ICQ ? or is pidgin a better bet ? | 22:13 |
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| KMFDM | odin_, the telepathy plugin in extras | 22:14 |
| Xisdibik | odin_: it supports it, if you add accounts-telepathy-haze or something like that, from extras-devel though so.. enter at your own risk | 22:14 |
| KMFDM | supports msn, icq, googletalk | 22:14 |
| KMFDM | Xisdibik, i thought that was in extras now | 22:14 |
| Xisdibik | if it was its within the last 1-2 days | 22:14 |
| Xisdibik | as i installed it like tuesday or wednesday, and it was in extras-devel | 22:14 |
| crashanddie | fnordianslip: awesome | 22:14 |
| crashanddie | fnordianslip: can't believe I ever had a laptop with less than 5 hours of battery... | 22:15 |
| fnordianslip | they make a nice front end to a house full of linux gadgets | 22:15 |
| crashanddie | fnordianslip: the freedom of just taking it back to the hotel, without worrying about charger or anything, it's just "right" | 22:15 |
| crashanddie | fnordianslip: snow leopard is nice as well, the UI just works, very happy with it | 22:15 |
| fnordianslip | we just need to be able to sync contacts with the 900 | 22:16 |
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| fnordianslip | macfuse and textwrangler ftw | 22:16 |
| kurt4n | http://static.pixelpipe.com/2fa735be-e54f-4a5f-a001-d10cc2576c7a_m.jpg | 22:16 |
| Xisdibik | theres laptops (aside from mac) that get 5+ hours? i thought that was pretty much Netbooks only | 22:16 |
| kurt4n | usb-host on n900 ? | 22:17 |
| simula | usb-host is in one of the repos | 22:17 |
| kurt4n | oh, sweet | 22:17 |
| crashanddie | fnordianslip: can iCal sync with google cal? Can contacts sync with google? | 22:17 |
| fnordianslip | does it work though? | 22:17 |
| Lorthirk | Xisdibik: there are many, indeed | 22:17 |
| fnordianslip | crashanddie: dunno, don't use google for much but the obvious | 22:17 |
| crashanddie | k | 22:18 |
| Lorthirk | crashanddie: both yes | 22:18 |
| Xisdibik | Lorthirk: ive only seen one, forget who made it, but it costed like 1-2k | 22:18 |
| crashanddie | Lorthirk: cool, thanks | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | simula, really?? o.O | 22:18 |
| kurt4n | fnordianslip: dunno | 22:18 |
| Lorthirk | Xisdibik: i'm sure there's some dell, even something from acer and hp iirc | 22:18 |
| kurt4n | would be great if it did :p | 22:18 |
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| Xisdibik | Lorthirk: those are netbooks | 22:18 |
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| simula | docscritinizer53... i have a ton of repos set up, so it might be in the dev or sdk repos :) | 22:19 |
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| simula | i haven't installed it | 22:19 |
| Xisdibik | crashanddie: completely agree with you, less than 5 hours on a laptop/netbook is unacceptable these days :D | 22:19 |
| fnordianslip | and on a phone | 22:19 |
| * fnordianslip ducks :) | 22:19 | |
| crashanddie | my old laptop had a 40 minute uptime on battery :P | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | simula, 8'll see in a minute ;-) | 22:19 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: keep me in the loop, I'm interested (actually, my career might change on the answer you'll give) | 22:20 |
| simula | heh, that deserves some elaboration crashanddie | 22:20 |
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| crashanddie | I'm a security expert, my CTO is very excited about the N900, but can only really pay attention to it once it has the OTG working | 22:21 |
| crashanddie | I'm currently working on some technologies which might help in Nokia's deployment of "Platform Security" | 22:21 |
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| user_ | works over wetsaw frroze :( | 22:23 |
| odin_ | OTG ? speaking of security... is there any "assured re-writable non-volatile memory" in the device ? like EEPROM or special flash pages which do not have wear-leveling ? | 22:23 |
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| crashanddie | odin_: not that I'm aware of -- however I'm not extremely familiar with the hardware features available | 22:26 |
| simula | crashanddie, when i am connected to wifi again, i'll read off the package details... i remember it saying that it allowed you to connect keyboards and mice into the micro-usb slot | 22:26 |
| simula | oh wait, what's that repository search website? | 22:26 |
| crashanddie | simula: which repo? | 22:27 |
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| odin_ | crashanddie, I am looking for a "Security API" which addresses a specific security problem domain, that being a key compromise, which is then change, but due to flash and wear-leveling it is theoretically possible for someone to access older data still on a device using a previous key | 22:27 |
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| odin_ | crashanddie, to a few bytes (maybe 64bytes) are needed in "assured re-writable non-volatile memory" which can both store the session key and a checksum/validation mechanism | 22:28 |
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| odin_ | crashanddie, the session key would change for every re-write of the bulk data into standard a flash page (with wear leveling it means the session key for the older pages gets destroyed, due to the "assured rewrite" part of the non-volatile location | 22:29 |
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| crashanddie | to whomever I was talking earlier, usbcontrol looks promising -- it starts up and identifies the USB bus correctly. That being said I don't have the cable required to do a test | 22:32 |
| kurtan | i posted the image.. klas ström at nokia in sweden posted it a couple of minutes ago | 22:33 |
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| crashanddie | link? | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie, usbcontrol. extras-devel | 22:35 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: yes, I have it installed | 22:35 |
| kurtan | http://twitter.com/klasstrom/status/6347795173 | 22:35 |
| kurtan | there | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | duh. faster than me | 22:35 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but that's just USB identifiation | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie, does it work? or segfault? ;-) | 22:36 |
| crashanddie | s/iation/ication/ | 22:36 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: yeah, but that's just USB identification | 22:36 |
| kurtan | :D | 22:36 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: yeah I have exactly the same screen | 22:36 |
| kurtan | thats just awesome | 22:36 |
| kurtan | <3 infobot | 22:36 |
| kurtan | crashanddie: you got to try it :( | 22:36 |
| crashanddie | ~burn kurtan | 22:36 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over kurtan, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 22:36 | |
| kurtan | ^^ | 22:36 |
| odin_ | crashanddie, he he, my cable(s) arrived today Micro B male to USB A male http://www.cableuniverse.co.uk/catalog/cables/USB-A-to-Micro-USB-B-Cable.html + http://www.cableuniverse.co.uk/catalog/cables/usb-a-female-to-a-female-adapter.html | 22:36 |
| odin_ | just installed usbcontrol about to test it out | 22:37 |
| crashanddie | what cables do we need for it? Any literature about this? | 22:37 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 22:37 | |
| SpeedEvil | Oh well - doesn't matter if odin does it first. | 22:37 |
| crashanddie | Would the Nokia USB cable + a female/female converter do the trick? | 22:37 |
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| * SpeedEvil could, but it'd involve getting out of bed. | 22:38 | |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: get your arse out of it, right now | 22:38 |
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| kurtan | naaaauw | 22:38 |
| odin_ | cheap as chip on that website... like £5 for both cable and adaptor will test and report in a min | 22:38 |
| crashanddie | odin_: awsm | 22:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: it's 8C, so no. | 22:38 |
| * crashanddie going for a fag, later | 22:38 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | can,t find any icon or settings entry for usbcontrol | 22:41 |
| DangerMaus___ | lol crashanddie | 22:42 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: launch it from command lind | 22:43 |
| kurtan | DocScrutinizer51: try starting it from xterm :o | 22:43 |
| * Stskeeps gets out his F-F adapter | 22:43 | |
| crashanddie | s/d/e/ | 22:43 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: DocScrutinizer51: launch it from commane lind | 22:43 |
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| kurtan | fail | 22:43 |
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| crashanddie | indeed | 22:43 |
| kurtan | =) | 22:43 |
| crashanddie | ~lart infobot | 22:43 |
| * infobot pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps crashanddie | 22:43 | |
| crashanddie | bastard | 22:44 |
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| KaKaRoTo | orbarron, pong | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sh: cannot create /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode: Permission denied | 22:45 |
| Lorthirk | hi KaKaRoTo :) | 22:45 |
| KaKaRoTo | hi Lorthirk | 22:45 |
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| Lorthirk | how is it going with amsn? | 22:46 |
| kurtan | also : http://twitter.com/klasstrom/status/6348670058 | 22:46 |
| kurtan | bah | 22:47 |
| kurtan | i want mah n900 nauw :P | 22:47 |
| dmj7261 | GAN900: How was the hackfest? | 22:47 |
| arachnist | i haz mah n900 nauw | 22:47 |
| arachnist | :P | 22:47 |
| kurtan | giveth | 22:47 |
| arachnist | (for more than a week :>) | 22:47 |
| Ceron^ | hmmph what should i install | 22:48 |
| Ceron^ | on my n900 | 22:48 |
| Ceron^ | went and bought one like 5 minutes before 9pm | 22:48 |
| Ceron^ | :D | 22:48 |
| arachnist | :P | 22:48 |
| * dmj7261 is jealous | 22:48 | |
| Ceron^ | when stores closed :p | 22:48 |
| arachnist | Ceron^: first... gainroot | 22:48 |
| kurtan | sweden will get its first batch next week | 22:48 |
| KaKaRoTo | Lorthirk, good, but I'm not debian packager expert, so I kind of don't want to start reading tons of docs to be able to create the debian/ dir for amsn | 22:49 |
| Ceron^ | lol :D i already found one bug | 22:49 |
| arachnist | lol, even poland got its first batch earlier than that | 22:49 |
| Ceron^ | first time i plugged the charger into the microusb porr | 22:49 |
| Ceron^ | port | 22:49 |
| Ceron^ | it didnt start loading battery | 22:49 |
| Ceron^ | :D | 22:49 |
| Lorthirk | KaKaRoTo: unfortunately i'm not either, otherwise i would have loved to help più | 22:49 |
| KaKaRoTo | Lorthirk, someone else had written debian rules inside the makefile or amsn, so you just do 'make deb', but you can't do dpkg-buildpackage.. and in order to get amsn into maemo-extras, it needs to have a dsc package and be buildable with dpkg-buildpackage :( | 22:49 |
| Ceron^ | then i reconnected and it started to wrok :D | 22:49 |
| KaKaRoTo | Lorthirk, thx :) | 22:49 |
| Lorthirk | s/più/you | 22:50 |
| Ceron^ | why does the sceen go black | 22:50 |
| Ceron^ | when using ovi maps | 22:50 |
| Ceron^ | its disturbing :D | 22:50 |
| Ceron^ | cant navigate with car | 22:50 |
| DangerMaus | settings tell it not to | 22:51 |
| kurtan | anyone try usbcontrol out yet? come on! :p | 22:51 |
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| Ceron^ | what usb control | 22:51 |
| Ceron^ | how? | 22:51 |
| Ceron^ | il try ;o | 22:51 |
| kurtan | its in the extra devel repos .. | 22:52 |
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| Ceron^ | dont got devel repos | 22:52 |
| Ceron^ | in use :P | 22:52 |
| Ceron^ | afraid to break the device | 22:52 |
| kurtan | =) | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odin_, crashanddie . any results?? | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: my nokia usb cable plus f-f didn't work. maybe if it's forced into host from first time | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kurtan, fail here | 22:53 |
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| Ceron^ | kurtan: show me the link | 22:53 |
| Ceron^ | to the usbcontrol in devel | 22:53 |
| Ceron^ | i wanna read on forums about it | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, huh? | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: stays in b_idle in musb_hdrc/mode | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | even with ke-recv dead | 22:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sh: cannot create /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode: Permission denied | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | now the 10000$ Q: is it app borked or hw missing feature | 22:56 |
| joppu_ | Hey everyone! | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: OTG was declared as not working. if USB host pins work, is something else. | 22:57 |
| joppu_ | I just managed to get my brand new N900 in some sort of "black striped screen of dead" | 22:57 |
| joppu_ | It still is visible on bluetooth | 22:57 |
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| Lorthirk | joppu_: front webcam? | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, missing VBUS supply | 22:57 |
| Flandry | i'm guessing too much pink | 22:57 |
| joppu_ | The screen is not coming up | 22:58 |
| kurtan | Ceron^: http://tr.im/GEFE | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: they removed otg pins intentionally for usb specification's sake i think | 22:58 |
| joppu_ | It's black with some wierd stripes | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps, dunno OTG pins | 22:58 |
| joppu_ | And it responds to touchscreen with a click | 22:59 |
| odin_ | usbcontrol is installed, cant find it in menus/icons | 22:59 |
| joppu_ | I need the correct image for the flasher | 22:59 |
| redeeman | any of you that have tried the vnc viewer on an N900? i cant seem to input anything in the host/pass fields | 22:59 |
| odin_ | better read instructions... | 22:59 |
| joppu_ | For retail Fremantle. | 22:59 |
| orbarron | works great | 22:59 |
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| Ceron^ | kurtan: that package doesnt work :P | 22:59 |
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| Ceron^ | kurtan: its made 14 07 2009 | 23:00 |
| Ceron^ | its broken | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | for good measure, usbcontrol in extras-devel is a leftover from diablo copy to fremantle extras | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 23:00 |
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| kurtan | thats what i heard | 23:00 |
| joppu_ | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | joppu_: first one is for wiping your internal storage, second is actal flash image | 23:00 |
| kurtan | just that a nokia guy in sweden linked to a pic when he ran it so.. well | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odin_, cmdline | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | kurtan: yes,but the hub he's showing is the internal one | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems fail anyway | 23:00 |
| joppu_ | Stskeeps: thanks, I'll try flashing it now | 23:01 |
| kurtan | k | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | kurtan: i will believe him when he shows two item in that list | 23:01 |
| odin_ | why is there a /usr/share/applications/hildon/usbcontrol.desktop file then ? Exec=sudo run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/usbcontrol | 23:02 |
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| javispedro | ouch, they decided to go the ovella negra | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | they're going to get robbed? | 23:03 |
| javispedro | cannot think of a better work to describe it that "non-alcoholics death trap" | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:03 |
| RST38h | moo javis | 23:03 |
| javispedro | hi RST38h | 23:03 |
| odin_ | what package is "less" and "joe" in ? | 23:03 |
| javispedro | btw, finally touched a N900... | 23:03 |
| javispedro | actually, GAN's one :) | 23:04 |
| RST38h | heh | 23:04 |
| javispedro | irc is banned on the maebar building, what a pity. | 23:05 |
| joppu_ | how 'bout SSH? | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: port 80 and 443 is open | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: you could probably make a living selling 5 eur ssh accesses | 23:06 |
| javispedro | probably :) | 23:06 |
| * pwnguin wonders if you can distinguish HTTPS from SSH | 23:06 | |
| javispedro | I don't think DreamHost would like me using their webserver as a IRC proxy | 23:06 |
| pwnguin | javispedro: linode doesn't mind ;) | 23:07 |
| odin_ | DocScrutinizer, well I did: echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 23:07 |
| odin_ | DocScrutinizer, thats all usbcontrol does lols | 23:08 |
| javispedro | well, I'm going to that death trap and see If I can find someone there | 23:08 |
| joppu_ | Can someone give me the command line for flashing the N900 with the "COMBINED" image? | 23:08 |
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| Lorthirk | joppu_: i used to do simply two flashes | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ok, checked with N900 | 23:09 |
| joppu_ | And I'm on XP if that matters | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | usbhostmode doesn,t work there as well | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | connectivity manager does though | 23:10 |
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| joppu_ | "flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -RIt" , correct? | 23:11 |
| odin_ | does the power need to be turned on? i.e. the output power? | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | joppu_: no "It" | 23:11 |
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| joppu_ | Stskeeps: "flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f" ? | 23:12 |
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| Stskeeps | no, add -R | 23:12 |
| joppu_ | Stskeeps: "flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R" ? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | N900 pc-connectivity manager doesn't offer USBHOST ;-( | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | joppu_: right | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so... usbcontrol fails on both N810 and N900. con mngr doesn't support hostmode on N900, but does on N810. What should we think? | 23:16 |
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| odin_ | DocScrutinizer, same USB chipset/family in both N810 and N900 ? | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nah. dont think so | 23:18 |
| DangerMaus | can it be switched on cli? | 23:18 |
| odin_ | CLi as in: echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode (did nothing for me, but I still need to verify cabling) | 23:18 |
| odin_ | nothing in "dmesg" either | 23:18 |
| DangerMaus | hmm | 23:19 |
| tarelerulz | Any of you have a Google wave account ? would you like to add to your wave or me add you to mine . I just want to see it in actoin | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odin_, exactly | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for me that's a rather closed file now with hostmode on N900 | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | =-(( | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Nokia said N900 can't do usb host. seems they were right | 23:21 |
| kurtan | indubitably | 23:22 |
| Lorthirk | tarelerulz: i have | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | might check with powered hub later... | 23:22 |
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| CShadowRun | anyone know of the cheapest UK retailer to grab an N900? Cheapest i've found is £434 | 23:23 |
| joppu_ | Ok, reflash complete, booted, nokia tune played fine. Screen still completely black. I need to return this tomorrow and ask for a replacement/money back :( | 23:24 |
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| Stskeeps | joppu_: and it doesn't show anything all the way? that's bad | 23:24 |
| odin_ | does the N810 show anything in "dmesg" after a: echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | but what' the use of powered hub when you can't evebn switch the protocol to host on the datalines | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odin_, will have to wait. later. not near 810 now | 23:26 |
| joppu_ | Stskeeps: yeah, the screen is totally black, with a backlight | 23:26 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: don't give up just yet | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | joppu_: not good. send to shop, may help people with later devices | 23:27 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: this app was probably just a port of the old n810 thing | 23:27 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: Getting host on the n8x0 took quite some time as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if we finally get something working in a month or two | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie, pc-conman simply doesn,t offer hostmode selection | 23:28 |
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| Arkenoi | so there *is* host mode hardware support? | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie, yeah. my thought. Nokia may have dropped the kernel support for it | 23:29 |
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| crashanddie | my understanding is that they couldn't advertise it because they wouldn't have gotten the certification | 23:29 |
| Arkenoi | wave is terribly slow on n900 :-( | 23:29 |
| odin_ | ok now for bluetooth keyboard ... I have "iTech laser virtual keyboard" ordered ... do I need this "BlueMaemo" package "bluetooth HID mouse & keyboard" to use it ? | 23:29 |
| hrw | hi | 23:29 |
| kurtan | wave is slow on any pc | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so, if we get a better or an additional foo.ko | 23:30 |
| kurtan | :P | 23:30 |
| crashanddie | (host mode is incompatible with usb charging from a standards perspective) | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odin_, prollly | 23:30 |
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| odin_ | is there an "on screen keyboard" in N900 ? am I missing some special key press for it ? | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but you need to enable it | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | blue ctrl | 23:31 |
| hcarrega | finally i get mine n900 | 23:31 |
| hcarrega | today | 23:31 |
| odin_ | enable it ? | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or simply close kbd slider and click to an input field | 23:32 |
| Dantonic | under input settings | 23:32 |
| Dantonic | hey where do I enable the switch to phone upon tilt? | 23:32 |
| Dantonic | or the app has to be open? | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | duh. maybe. forgot about such details ;-) | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Dantonic, enable in dialer options. desktop needs to be acctive | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | didm,t work while xchat or xterm open | 23:34 |
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| lardman | evening all | 23:35 |
| Dantonic | DocScrutinizer51, I don't see it in any options | 23:36 |
| Dantonic | under settings > phone | 23:36 |
| Dantonic | ? | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: sent TI guy a mail to see if there's any other updates.. and suggested maybe publishing the omap2 drivers if they work on omap2 boards - it's first step kate suggested in discussion of drivers justificiation.. | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | open dialer | 23:36 |
| Dantonic | ok | 23:36 |
| Dantonic | ok | 23:37 |
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| Ceron^ | lol | 23:37 |
| Ceron^ | where in ovi maps | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | menu .. rotate .. enable by... | 23:37 |
| Ceron^ | can i choose | 23:37 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: ok | 23:37 |
| Ceron^ | so that it doesnt shutdown screen | 23:37 |
| Ceron^ | while @ car | 23:37 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: have been feeling pretty crap, man-flu my wife tells me, so not managed to do any hacking I'm afraid | 23:37 |
| Ceron^ | or ovi maps is on | 23:37 |
| crashanddie | look at that, it's leet o'clock! | 23:37 |
| Dantonic | got it... wasnt seeing that option cause I kept going into the dialer part of the phone | 23:37 |
| Ceron^ | cant find any settings in ovi maps | 23:37 |
| lardman | hey crashanddie | 23:37 |
| Dantonic | its before that | 23:37 |
| crashanddie | yo lardman | 23:37 |
| crashanddie | lardman: what's up? | 23:38 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: there was an interesting convo in #mer earlier today.. got 5 minutes? | 23:38 |
| crashanddie | lardman: finally got a new build environment running, I'll get mbarcode tonight and work on it this weekend | 23:38 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: sure | 23:38 |
| lardman | crashanddie: am going to move to Qt, so perhaps not worth the bother atm | 23:38 |
| crashanddie | ooooh, I wanna work with Qt! | 23:38 |
| lardman | crashanddie: though I do have a couple of outstanding issues - gdk problem and Diablo .desktop not working | 23:39 |
| Dantonic | so is xchat available on this guy or what? | 23:39 |
| derf | Port it to Qt so lardman doesn't have to. | 23:39 |
| lardman | see the TMO thread | 23:39 |
| lardman | lol | 23:39 |
| crashanddie | lardman: don't have a diablo device anymore | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: http://trac.tspre.org/merlogs/2009-12-04.html search for JouniM | 23:39 |
| derf | lardman: Are you going to be around this weekend? | 23:39 |
| lardman | no, am reasonably happy to do that, learning experience | 23:39 |
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| lardman | derf: yeah should be, what's up? | 23:39 |
| derf | lardman: I've actually got my device and I'd like to get some DSP stuff going. | 23:39 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: ok | 23:39 |
| Ceron^ | how to install liquid base | 23:39 |
| Ceron^ | :O | 23:39 |
| Ceron^ | i want to try that tapping tool :P | 23:40 |
| Ceron^ | lcuk was showing | 23:40 |
| derf | Have you actually done anything with the DSP yet? | 23:40 |
| Arkenoi | oops. just downloaded official fbreader update hoping "volume" keys fix is already there. *NO*. | 23:41 |
| lardman | derf: nope | 23:41 |
| mgedmin | Arkenoi, I've got a hack | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: i think it just confirms we need a displaydriver | 23:41 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: ah yes, he says what I was saying, the lcd driver is built into the mbx driver | 23:41 |
| mgedmin | oops, left my n900 in the car | 23:41 |
| Arkenoi | yep, i installed it as well, but it was overwritten by this update now ;-) have to reinstall again | 23:42 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: yeah, the display class stuff | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:43 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: I don';t think that's too arduous, but would be nice to hear from Ti about what exactly is required in said display class, etc | 23:43 |
| lardman | otherwise we could just hack at it, but that takes time | 23:43 |
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| lardman | but if he has contacts, that's good :) | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: i think our better shot would be to ask imgtec maybe | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | they do seem to be fairly open | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of support | 23:44 |
| lardman | sure, though who should do the asking? | 23:44 |
| lardman | someone official-ish or at least known to them | 23:44 |
| BernardV | Hi all! | 23:44 |
| BernardV | Sorry to bump in with a question.. | 23:45 |
| lardman | but yeah, if we can be told what has to be done in the display class, it should be reasonably easy to get that working, then it's just a case of fitting the two together, crossing fingers, touching wood, etc ;) | 23:45 |
| lardman | derf: what are you DSP plans for the weekend then? | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | Arkenoi, http://pastie.org/728194 | 23:45 |
| BernardV | I got my N900 today yeah! With working mic, but an error on wlan. When I look in dmesg I get wl1251: ERROR unsupported chip id: 0x0 | 23:46 |
| BernardV | Is this a common error? | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | needs x11-utils | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | from the tools repo, iirc | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | BernardV: that does not look good | 23:46 |
| BernardV | I know | 23:46 |
| toggles_w | ouch.. | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | zomg | 23:46 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: ! | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | BernardV: wlan doesn't work, obviously? | 23:46 |
| derf | lardman: I'd like to get the C64x Theora port running on it. | 23:47 |
| lardman | crashanddie: still an issue with the GDK fn I'm trying to use to read in random image files if you're bored | 23:47 |
| BernardV | Nope it doesn't.. This is my second N900, first one had a broken MIC | 23:47 |
| BernardV | This one no wlan :S | 23:47 |
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| lardman | derf: and you've allocated a whole weekend to this ;) | 23:47 |
| derf | Given my success with the C55x port of CELT? | 23:47 |
| lardman | well ok | 23:47 |
| derf | But seriously, once I do there's lots of optimization work to be done, and figuring out openmax integration, and... | 23:48 |
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| konttori | BernardV: can you try to reflash it? | 23:48 |
| derf | And I have other work to get done this weekend also. | 23:48 |
| konttori | but that really sounds very bad | 23:48 |
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| lardman | derf: me too I'm afraid | 23:48 |
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| lardman | derf: but I'll be happy to help if I can | 23:48 |
| BernardV | Yes i was planning to, but first wanted to know if it was a "common" error | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | lardman: will do | 23:48 |
| Arkenoi | UQM keyboard support seems to be broken for non-english layout - arrow keys do not work in most menus | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | odin_: [15615.179687] tusb_source_power 633: VBUS a_wait_vrise, devctl 81 otg 184 conf c0010001 prcm 00a80500 | 23:48 |
| derf | I was just hoping for some "here's where you get started" pointers. | 23:48 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: thanks mate :) | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | BernardV: hang on | 23:48 |
| konttori | and I haven't heard or really any HW failures yet. But then again, us software guys, we only start to get montly reports from the field after 2 months of selling. | 23:49 |
| derf | I'm assuming things don't really work the same way they did for the C55x. | 23:49 |
| Arkenoi | mgedmin: wow, that's funny. is there a way to make this persistent? | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | patch fbreader's sources | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | odin_: on N810 | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | I rarely close my fbreader | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | xterm + fbre<tab><enter> ain't too bad every week or so | 23:49 |
| RST38h | fbreader eats battery though | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | BernardV: i would report the bug on bugs.maemo.org and start making arrangements for a return :P | 23:50 |
| melmoth | ping andrewfblack joshn53 or nathan ? | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | what's bad is that "unable to connect to an account" warning disables this hack | 23:50 |
| Arkenoi | there already is patched fbreader | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | and makes my volume keys control volume | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | randomly every 10 minutes or so | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | for a couple of seconds | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | ah, cool | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | didn't know that | 23:50 |
| BernardV | Will do Stskeeps .. thnx! Also will try to flash it. Will keep you updated ;) | 23:50 |
| RST38h | oh yes, the same occurs with maemo mapper | 23:50 |
| RST38h | that is because that banner takes the focus | 23:50 |
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| lardman | derf: dunno really, though other than more memory and actually having an 8bit type I think you might be ok | 23:51 |
| Arkenoi | http://qwerty12.qole.org/libzlibrary_0.10.7-1_armel.deb | 23:51 |
| Arkenoi | http://qwerty12.qole.org/fbreader_0.10.7-1_armel.deb | 23:51 |
| lardman | I have to go temporarily, mother-in-law sleeping in my office and wants to go to bed | 23:51 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, no really much | 23:52 |
| lardman | the wonders of weekend visitations! | 23:52 |
| derf | Well, no, it was more along the lines of the DSP kernel and task manager that were the stumbling blocks before. | 23:52 |
| lardman | bbiab | 23:52 |
| derf | I can write the code, I just can't get it to run. | 23:52 |
| lardman | ah yeah, not sure how the current comms stuff works I'm afraid | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | so, we have mic, screen, usb plug, wlan, and reboot loops issues? :P | 23:52 |
| lardman | derf: hang on 10 or so | 23:52 |
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| crashanddie_ | re | 23:52 |
| crashanddie_ | ~seen lardman | 23:53 |
| infobot | lardman <n=simon@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 47s ago, saying: 'derf: hang on 10 or so'. | 23:53 |
| crashanddie_ | bastard | 23:53 |
| derf | He does not dawdle. | 23:53 |
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| arachnist | 225244 !-- | <<< lardman!n=simon@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman ["off-ski"] | 23:54 |
| arachnist | crashanddie: ^ | 23:54 |
| arachnist | (2 minutes ago) | 23:54 |
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| crashanddie | arachnist: and that tells me what extra? Compared to infobot's output? | 23:54 |
| arachnist | 225227 | lardman | derf: hang on 10 or so | 23:54 |
| arachnist | it tells you when he quit | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | arachnist: I already knew that ;) | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | <infobot> lardman <n=simon@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 47s ago, saying: 'derf: hang on 10 or so'. | 23:55 |
| arachnist | you came in after he left, and what the infobot said was his last msg | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | and also "47s ago" | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | which at the time was correct | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | ~seen lardman | 23:55 |
| infobot | lardman <n=simon@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3m 28s ago, saying: 'derf: hang on 10 or so'. | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | oh look, 3m 27s | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | 28** | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | could that be the time he disconnected? | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | crashanddie: what's the fsckng rootpassword now? | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | noooo, that would be too awesome, no bot could calculate that | 23:56 |
| Arkenoi | how do i edit internet radio bookmarks? | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | sudo gainroot fails | 23:56 |
| Ceron^ | is it possible to make n900 not use any 3g and wlan at a certain time | 23:56 |
| Ceron^ | of the day | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer-8: sudo gainroot doesn't use the password | 23:56 |
| Ceron^ | i dont want it to stay connected to wlan | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | it fails | 23:56 |
| Ceron^ | when im sleeping | 23:56 |
| Ceron^ | :( | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer-8: error message? | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | I'm still user after that | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | Ceron^: offline mode? | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer-8: dmesg output? | 23:57 |
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| Ceron^ | crashanddie: not offline mode | 23:57 |
| Ceron^ | crashanddie: i want it to intercept calls | 23:57 |
| Ceron^ | but not use wlan :P | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | crashanddie: nottin interesting | 23:58 |
| Ceron^ | internet connection only required from 09:00am->01:00am | 23:58 |
| Ceron^ | :D | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | sudo gainroot plays jokes at me telling "if you want break your dev, enable R D" | 23:59 |
| hcarrega | need some help | 23:59 |
| Arkenoi | when is koffice for n900 release expected? | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | friggin shit | 23:59 |
| hcarrega | anyway to sync address book mac os x with n900? | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer-8: install rootsh. | 23:59 |
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