IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2009-12-03

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lardman|homewould one tend to have a class that represents the whole app, and that global vars would become members of?00:00
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lcukyes00:00
Stskeepssivang: quim.gil@nokia.com? (sure you got the right guy? not sure if quim does video editing :)00:00
lcukyou dont have globals in OO00:00
lcukor its not right to00:00
lardman|homeok00:00
lardman|homewould that be the same class as the main window00:00
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lardman|homeor a class above that?00:00
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sivangStskeeps: opos, never IRC when you are drunk00:01
sivangStskeeps: I was sure I was in #plone00:01
sivang:)00:01
arachnistircing while drinking is fun00:01
sivangStskeeps: I attended the Nokida Develoepr day , and talked to Jure00:01
lardman|homeonly way to do it!00:01
sivangStskeeps: and Sami00:01
arachnistespecially if you try identifying in nickserv00:01
sivanghehehe00:01
lardman|homelol00:01
sivangI am actually sitting in a bar in tel aviv00:02
* lardman|home is not sure he can fact Qt-ising the whole of mbarcode atm, TV time00:02
sivanggot too drunk over guuness and a lot of whiskey00:02
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sivangor whisky00:02
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Stskeepson a n900?00:02
Stskeeps:P00:02
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sivanghahah00:03
sivangI wish!00:03
sivangthey ruffled onlyu one and it wasn't me00:03
sivangwho won it00:03
sivangalthough the UI could use some performance improvements00:03
sivangit was a bit Jerky00:03
Stskeepssivang: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend is the barcelona thing00:03
sivangyeah, Jure noted to me about it but currently I am out of funds to go there by my own financing00:04
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jebba900interesting. The media player made thumbnails of my videos EXCEPT the ones i shot with the camera00:04
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sivangwas a great event although the venue was gross00:05
sivangbe back later, switchign to antoher pub/wifi00:05
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javispedrothough, I have to ask, how does identification work in these events?00:06
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jebba900also, why is the camera so out of focus? I'm shooting something like 10 meters away00:07
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lardman|afkno continuous focus00:11
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lardman|afkhave you panned?00:11
jebba900'apt-get install diff'   says its provided by busybox, but busybox isnt compiled with diff00:11
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jebba900larrdman, a bit. you mean just side to side?00:11
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Flandryie so that the object in view is a different distance away than when originally focused00:13
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jebba900flandry, when is original focus set?00:20
FlandryI have no idea, but i assume it's when you first push down the shutter button00:21
lardman|homeyeah I think so00:21
lardman|homebut again, no real idea :)00:21
lardman|homeback to the tv or the wife will kill me00:21
lardman|home:)00:21
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Flandryduh fail00:22
Flandryhaha00:22
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GeneralAntillesjebba900, it works like a camera.00:24
GeneralAntillesHalf-step to autofocus.00:24
GeneralAntillesThe brackets indicate whether it was successful.00:24
GeneralAntillesOh, video?00:24
GeneralAntillesNevermind then, no clue.00:24
* mtnbkr is LOVING his new N900 :)00:25
* Pavlov wishes the 20 n900s he ordered would arrive00:25
jebba900this was video, but ive had same probs with still00:25
toggles_wmtnbkr: don't rub it in00:25
Pavlovor you know, ship00:25
mtnbkr20??00:25
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jebba9003 here have 1...00:25
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jebba900gah howto kill join/part msgs in xchat     editing conf trying to find keyword....00:27
mtnbkrtoggles_w: Sorry... I am just really excited.. The N900 with Maemo is what I have been waiting for for years now... All open-source software on an Open source OS, on an open hardware platform that is not locked into a carrier.   The phone was my LAST DRM'ed/locked-in thing I neded to replace. Everything elase I do is Linux, FreeBSD etc. :)  Buh-Bye iPhone. :)00:27
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Stskeepsall open source? hmm00:28
jebba900irc_who_join ?00:28
mtnbkrStskeeps: well, mostly? :)00:28
Stskeepsmtnbkr: good enough00:28
mtnbkrStskeeps: how about far more open than iPhone?  heh00:28
VDVsxjavispedro, ping00:28
javispedroVDVsx: hi00:28
Stskeepsmtnbkr: works for me00:28
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jebba900mtnbkr  agreed.  about 95percent there.   (just noticed no percent sign!)00:29
VDVsxjavispedro, are you a BCN metro expert ? :P00:29
evojebba900: try this one: http://t0x.in/xchatsetvars.html00:29
aSIMULAtorare we all staying at hte same hotel?00:29
evojebba900: I don't know how up to date it is00:29
jebba900try evo00:29
javispedroVDVsx: I have Métro app installed, does that qualify? :)00:30
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VDVsxaSIMULAter, dunno00:30
VDVsxjavispedro, probably00:30
VDVsxlol00:30
aSIMULAtornh something something cornelia something00:30
javispedroqgil said 16 nh cornellà rooms00:30
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javispedrobtw there's no free wifi00:31
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javispedrothe provider is swissnet or something like that00:31
javispedro(on the hotel)00:31
VDVsxaSIMULAter, NH Cornellà here00:31
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javispedrobcn metro map (.pdf): http://www.tmb.net/img/genplano.pdf00:32
aSIMULAtorsame00:32
VDVsxjavispedro, so l5 to Sants estacion and then l3 to Drassanes ? (for Maremagnum)00:32
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javispedroVDVsx: yep, that'll work :)00:33
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VDVsxjavispedro, btw, is that metro app free ? :D00:34
VDVsxcan be handy00:34
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javispedroVDVsx: it's a garnetvm app :)00:34
javispedrobut free as in beer00:34
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VDVsxjavispedro, symbian, maemo version ?00:34
javispedrohttp://www.nanika.net/metro/ has saved me uncountable times00:34
javispedronope.00:34
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javispedrowell, they seem to do symbian now.00:35
VDVsxjavispedro, cool :P00:35
* VDVsx downloads the metro app00:35
jebba900evo thx that worked00:36
* aSIMULAtor puts the map on her device00:37
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evojebba900: you're welcome00:38
aSIMULAtorhow much is a travelcard for hte weekend?00:38
aSIMULAtordoes anyone know00:38
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javispedrofrom drassanes to maremagnum you have to walk along a wood bridge, but that's pretty old and I'm sure qgil'll know00:38
VDVsxjavispedro, is it unsafe ? lol00:39
GAN900jebba900, fn-sym00:39
javispedroVDVsx: it's large and wide :)00:39
GAN900How far is the conference center from the hotel?00:39
javispedroGAN900: < 5 minutes00:40
aSIMULAtorgood question00:40
VDVsxjavispedro, so no prob00:40
GAN900javispedro, walking?00:40
javispedroGAN900: yep00:40
javispedro(citilab <-> nh cornellà)00:40
aSIMULAtorso that's 10 mins for little ppl such as myself00:40
javispedro:)00:40
javispedroand there's ping pong tables on the way00:40
aSIMULAtorwe have a good ping pong player on our ui team00:41
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javispedroI was surprised to see them :)00:41
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aSIMULAtorhe's bringing his gear too to barcelona00:41
aSIMULAtorhas a ping pong date00:41
aSIMULAtor:P00:41
aSIMULAtoror rather just his paddle00:41
aSIMULAtornot sure what other gear00:42
aSIMULAtormaybe short shorts and a sweatband00:42
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GAN900Hrm, landing around 07:45, hopefully to the hotel by 08:30.00:44
jebba900GAN900  fn-sym ?00:44
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GAN900jebba900, the top two keys on the leftmost side of the keyboard.00:44
GAN900For percent %00:44
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mecetomorrow is N900 day for me! yay!00:45
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meceerr.. again. monday was also N900 day. Twice. But this time it's my private device, not the two I got for work :)00:45
jebba900GAN900 heh.  I did ctrl-q in xchat00:46
GAN900Anybody going to be leaving the hotel around 08:45 who knows where they're going.00:46
GAN900?00:46
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jebba900i see it now00:46
jebba900like the top two keys, not the blue one heh00:46
javispedroaSIMULAter: a 3 day card is 15,20€00:48
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GAN900jebba900, also, ctrl-backspace to00:48
GAN900go to the dashboard00:48
GAN900go to the dashboard00:48
GAN900Ugh00:48
fnordianslipis stuff in fremantle tools optified?00:48
GAN900damn keyboard00:49
javispedrothough, there's a card with 10 journeys for 7.70€00:49
fnordianslipGAN900: is that the mbpro keybd ?00:49
fnordianslipmine's a bugger00:49
GAN900fnordianslip, no, N900 keyboard. :P00:49
fnordiansliphmm.  smaller but less prone to ignoring key presses00:49
GAN900The MacBook Pros all feel like battleships to me since I got a Mini 9.00:50
fnordianslipmine's a 17" aircraft carrier00:50
fnordianslipand the eee901 is a dinghy00:50
* GAN900 uses a Unicomp keyboard on his Mac Pro that is pure bliss. (http://pckeyboard.com))00:51
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tKMFDMi wonder if it would be possible to add OTR functionality to telepathy-haze accounts01:06
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phreck_WADDDAPPPP01:07
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phreck_Is the Devel repo down? i cant seem to get the catalogue to update...01:08
mecehey is the custom xterm qole flashed in tmo available somewhere?01:08
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Arkenoievo: i mean "regular" UMTS video calls, not VoIP01:09
evoArkenoi: oh sorry, I was talking about this article: http://www.fring.com/blog/?p=179101:11
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asidjazzi know why its not workin :)01:11
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asidjazzfuckin vmware takin up all my usbs01:11
phreck_lol01:11
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meceoh found the thread. here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926 if someone's interested in adding software keys to xterm.01:14
phreck_yea.01:14
asidjazzyea hide hte bar!01:14
phreck_saw that01:15
asidjazzHIZIDE IT01:15
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asidjazzhi timeless01:15
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timeless_mbphello01:16
timeless_mbpwhat's up?01:16
asidjazzjust having issues trying to flash this n90001:17
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asidjazzi think i figured it out its vmware taking usb ports01:17
SpeedEvilThe clock doesn't flop around when you move the display under the power of the accellerometer.01:17
asidjazzbrb rebooting01:17
mecei'm off. toodles.01:17
SpeedEvilThis is a dalibreaker.01:17
timeless_mbpah01:17
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timeless_mbpyeah, vmware and friends do that01:17
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rangeBefore I file a bug ...01:18
rangeI have automatic connections to all networks (wlan/3G) configured.01:19
phreck_Is the devel repo up guys?01:19
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rangeWhen I'm at home, the N900 connects to a Linksys WRT610N - and then after 10 to 15 minutes it switches to 3G. If I tell it to not automatically connect to 3G, it stays connected to the Linksys.01:20
rangeAnywhere where I can see *why* that happens?01:20
rangeBecause I really don't want to be on 3G when at home :)01:20
lardman|afknight all01:20
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timeless_mbprange: so...01:20
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timeless_mbpthere's a setting for per connection power use01:21
rangeYeah. Didn't touch that yet ...01:21
timeless_mbpit's possible that's relevant01:21
phreck_touching wifi setting is not good...01:21
rangephreck_: Yeah, but switching to 3G in an area where I am *likely* to have a charger available isn't good either.01:21
rangeOkay, let me look01:22
rangetimeless_mbp: So you think setting power saving to medium could help?01:23
luke-jrIMO, I would have it connect to Wifi (both active), have it move connections it can (MIPv6, or simple transparent reconnection like XMPP), then shutdown 3G if no longer needed01:24
rangeBecause it keeps the ad hoc network to my MacBook.01:24
luke-jrand vice-versa when Wifi signal gets poor01:24
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Macergod fight club cracks me up when the skinny cancer girl gets up there trying to hook up for sex01:25
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rangeOtherwise: Nice machine (yes, my microphone works) :)01:25
phreck_Macer: that is pretty hilarious01:26
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timeless_mbprange: i have no idea01:26
timeless_mbpi know of various toggles, i work on the web browser01:26
Macerphreck_: i love this movie01:26
timeless_mbpand occasionally i translate the platform01:26
timeless_mbpand right now we're repainting the map01:26
timeless_mbpbut ... i don't touch hardware :)01:26
Maceri mean you really have to take a moment to realize how crazy the people in it are )01:26
rangeAh well. Let's see. Otherwise I'll open up a bug report (if it also happens with the guest wlan at work yesterday where 3G is much weaker than at home).01:27
Macerit took me like 3 times watching it to stop for a moment and realize how absolutely nuts he was :)01:27
Maceri mean going to support groups to cry in order to sleep?01:27
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rangeyesterday? tomorrow.01:28
* range crawls back into bed, tree, ocean.01:28
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Xisdibiksomeone said my name earlier ;)01:31
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Xisdibikanyways off work see you guys in a bit01:31
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jebbajebi'm really wowing my 5 year old with vncviewer on the fone to his computer.  haha. magico.01:33
SpeedEvil5 year olds are so spoilt these days.01:34
SpeedEvil4chan, redtube, ...01:34
jebbajeboh man....01:34
jebbajebhe's more supertux... alex4, abe...01:34
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rangetimeless_mbp: Hmmm. Looks like that does it. So always keep a charger at bay when at home.01:38
ManuelSEnext generation seems to expecting these devices01:38
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rangeI wouldn't have thought about that. Thanks.01:38
timeless_mbp:)01:39
rangeOkay, that was too early. Exactly when typing that it switched :/01:41
ManuelSEis there 10x the interest in N900 over the exciterment and press of them N800?01:41
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jebbajebprobably more01:42
ManuelSEalso can users buy from a carrier which does not drmlock n900?01:42
ManuelSEhow do users know if they have a locked drvice?01:42
jebbajebManuelSE: all the n900s i've heard of so far are unlocked01:43
ManuelSEor if they are getting a locked n900?01:43
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SpeedEvilHmm.01:43
SpeedEvilIf the USB connector was on the right hand side - it would be a lot easier to hit return01:43
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luke-jrjebbajeb: referring to a specific kind of lock? All I've heard so far is that all N900s are locked and absolutely not unlockable ;)01:44
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redeemanluke-jr: locked how?01:44
luke-jrredeeman: closed spec, closed code01:44
luke-jraround essential components01:45
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jebbajebah01:45
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jebbajebwell, i was referring more to "buy it from att, can't use it with verizon" kind of locked. I think that's what Q implied.01:45
luke-jrI see.01:45
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luke-jreven then, N900 is "locked" to GSM networks01:45
luke-jrof which there are like, 2, both with outrageous pricing01:45
luke-jrwould be nice if N900 supported iDEN SIM cards too, Boost Mobile has a decent price01:46
SpeedEvilI want bluetooth SIM profile01:46
SpeedEvilthat would be nice01:46
GeneralAntillesredeeman, the trolling kind of "locking". :)01:46
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Venomrushhow do i do a clear screen in IRC?01:46
SpeedEvil /clear01:47
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: have I said anything false?01:47
Venomrushthanks :001:47
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, Boost can't manage to achieve better than single-digit KB/sec and often it's measured in bytes/sec.01:47
Venomrushseems like maemo.org servers arent going to get ugpraded this month01:47
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, you redefined the definition of the words "locked" and "unlocked" for your own purposes.01:48
Venomrushchristmas and new year will be fun01:48
GeneralAntillesVenomrush, indeed.01:48
GeneralAntillesVenomrush, another incompetent ISP.01:48
GeneralAntillesSurprise, surprise.01:48
jebbajebluke-jr: well, they are unlockable, you just gotta write the code   ;)   It's not like they have something *stopping* you, they just haven't provided the code yet.   But see things like ofono or whatever it is.01:48
Venomrushis it possible for network carriers to 'brand' the n900?01:48
jebbajebluke-jr: you mean "closed" not locked, but this is getting in trolling territory...01:48
Venomrushand by flashing the global firmware, we'll be able to debrand it?01:49
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: Boost is more practical though01:49
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GeneralAntillesluke-jr, data that doesn't work isn't "practical" for me.01:49
luke-jrjebbajeb: they haven't provided specs, either01:49
GeneralAntillesjebbajeb, way past trolling territory. ;)01:49
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luke-jrGeneralAntilles: it should be enough for any regular usage. not enough for VoIP, but that's what the voice part of the cell service is for01:49
jebbajebluke-jr: for which parts?01:50
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, I was on Nextel once, it's not. :)01:50
luke-jrjebbajeb: AFAIK, the phone, GPS, and battery01:50
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: gee, thanks for ruining my hopes of an affordable cell service :(01:50
jebbajebluke-jr: see ofono for the fone part of it. They are working on an entire free stack you cat git-clone if you desire.01:50
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luke-jrjebbajeb: last I heard there was closed bits at the center01:51
luke-jrdon't know if the situation has changed01:51
jebbajebluke-jr: for ofono?  it's all open AFAICT.  At least everything in the git repo is.01:51
luke-jrbut I don't care about high-level predefined-uses interface01:51
luke-jrjust the low-level talks-to-hardware stuff01:51
luke-jrmy ideal is a shell script I run from Konsole to dial01:52
jebbajebso i'm assuming you haven't bothered to look at ofono and  are just speculating?01:52
jebbajebyou can probably do that now01:52
luke-jrjebbajeb: with nothing more than a BASH shell and 100% open kernel ;)01:52
jebbajebluke-jr:     ofono/drivers/isimodem/devinfo.c    <--- I assume you are ignoring that?01:53
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, T-Mobile's unlimited plan costs the same as Boost's unlimited plan.01:53
luke-jrjebbajeb: I assume I've only looked at a list of closed packages :)01:53
GeneralAntillesExcept their network isn't incredibly old and outdated.01:53
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: $30/mo, with no 5 GB cap?01:53
jebbajebvoicecall.c  etc...01:54
GeneralAntillesYou couldn't reach 5GB if you tried on Boost.01:54
luke-jrno?01:54
luke-jr2 KB/sec can hit 5 GB in a month01:54
GeneralAntillesJust barely01:55
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jebbajebluke-jr: even with the closed GSM stack on the n900 now, there probably still is a way to make a call from the shell01:55
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GeneralAntillesjebbajeb, yes, it's just Telepathy.01:56
rangeUm.01:56
jebbajebGeneralAntilles: you have a sample script by any chance?01:56
rangeWhere's ">" and "<" on the keyboard? :)01:56
GeneralAntillesrange, fn-sym.01:56
GeneralAntillesjebbajeb, not handy, but I'm sure qwerty12 could spit out the dbus recipe if here were here.01:57
jebbajebrange: fn is the blue arrow pointing up on the left01:57
rangeThanks!01:57
rangeThat's not in the printed manual :)01:57
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: you're saying Boost is slower than 3 KB/sec?01:57
Arkenoioops. seems that contact pictures are not fetched from IM, just displayed if available. i'd like to have a way to store them permanently01:58
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DocScrutinizer51actually it's a major annoyance xchat segfaults on presets storing02:03
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ManuelSEyes.  is a complex program, and ui is not fully tabletized02:05
ManuelSEedit presets in vi02:05
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jebbajeb ~/.xchat2/xchat.conf02:05
ManuelSEinm /home/us   yes02:06
DocScrutinizer51I know02:07
DocScrutinizer51some of the settimgs not really self explanatory02:08
DocScrutinizer51and I prefer mcedit to vi ;-)02:08
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asidjazzmcedit are you kidding me02:09
asidjazzthats like saying i prefer dogshit to boobs02:09
DocScrutinizer51lol02:09
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DocScrutinizer51for serious work take ed02:10
DocScrutinizer51or sed02:10
jebbajebhah02:10
hashiernotepad (:02:10
DocScrutinizer51eeeek02:11
* jebbajeb goes crazy filling / again02:11
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* DocScrutinizer51 is amazed to find himself drooling that much over his "iron" despite all the (admittedly minor) bugs he already found02:13
SpeedEvilit is shiny02:14
DocScrutinizer51not a single showstopper though02:14
SpeedEvilMy only gripes are mecanical02:14
SpeedEvilIf the display was 5mm thicker, and the base 5mm thinner, it would be lots easier for me to use02:15
SpeedEvilfrom a keyboard POV02:15
DocScrutinizer51speedevil, which ones?02:15
jebbajeb"mechanically" I don't like when you are on a call and charging the fone, the power cable is at the TOP, not the bottom.02:16
DocScrutinizer51speedevil. huh?02:16
DocScrutinizer51jebbajeb. lol02:17
SpeedEvilMy thumbs don't bend enough when the keyboard is held in left and right hand fingers to easily hit the return, right-arrow and shift and symbol-shift keys02:17
SpeedEvilIf the base was ~2mm thinner, they would02:17
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SpeedEvilMaybe I'm holding it wrong.02:17
DocScrutinizer51dont see that02:17
DocScrutinizer51see problem. not cure though02:18
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* DocScrutinizer51 hopes for a 910 with 810 formfactor02:19
SpeedEvilIf the keyboard was thinner, at least for me - the thumb joint would not have to bend so far in order not to hit a key while moving over it02:19
SpeedEvilWhich is uncomfortable.02:19
DocScrutinizer51hmm02:19
DocScrutinizer51i'm too used to 810 - alwaysmhit m instead of spacebar02:21
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arachnisti like the N900 keyboard02:22
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arachnistapart from the euro and gbp keys02:23
arachnisti'd put <, > or | there02:23
phreck-xchat for n900 is good02:23
SpeedEvilI like it - mostly02:23
SpeedEvilthe tactility is great02:23
phreck-its a good port02:24
DocScrutinizer51I hope the stains won't be as severe as on N810, after a year of heavy use02:24
phreck-worried about battery02:24
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arachnistyeah02:25
arachnisthaving to charge it every day is not going to be good for the battery life in the long term02:25
hardakerbummer....  libao failed to port (or the application using it failed to).  Since it's throwing a runtime error that won't be fun.02:26
phreck-i know. comes with the territory though02:26
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crashanddieruns fine for two days here02:26
DocScrutinizer51arachnist: worst thing for bat is complete drain02:26
phreck-mine ran for a day with normal use02:26
DocScrutinizer51mine too02:27
phreck-some fone, some pics, lil web02:27
arachnistwell02:27
arachnisti always have a gprs/3g/wlan connection active02:27
phreck-same02:27
DocScrutinizer51me too02:27
arachnistwith 2 jabber accounts, skype, sip and 2 other im's on02:28
arachnistand email check every 30 minutes02:28
ShadowJKarachnist: liion doesn't care much about the number of times you charge tit02:29
ShadowJKit*02:29
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DocScrutinizer51yep02:30
DocScrutinizer51deep dischare really hurts02:30
ShadowJKheat, and sitting empty in a drawer accelerate aging though02:30
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arachnistwell, battery in my thinkpad x300 seems to have lower life than it originally had02:31
ShadowJKyes, of course02:31
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ShadowJKlaptops are hot :)02:31
arachnistmine doesn't get very hot02:31
Venomrushhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/irssi/0.8.14-1/02:32
DocScrutinizer51and actually keeping bat at 100% charge is also bad02:32
VenomrushIRSSI just got promoted to extras-testing02:32
Venomrush:)02:32
arachnistunless i leave it on the bed and start compiling something02:32
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chris231989_anybody else having problems with the windows flasher ?02:33
arachnistirssi on the N900 is usable with swap-ng.pl script02:33
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chris231989_i'm getting a "set your time" error02:33
hashierarachnist: what does this script do?02:33
DocScrutinizer51windows? whats that?02:33
hashierDocScrutinizer51: something that runs in virtualbox02:33
chris231989_it's that silly os i haveto use @work02:33
arachnisthashier: you can switch windows with /[number]02:33
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jebbajebuh, oh. Booting up my fone just shows 5 dots.02:33
arachnisthashier: so you can just turn the fn lock on and press / and numbers02:34
phreck-lol02:34
ShadowJK"At a 100% charge level, a typical Li-ion laptop battery that is full most of the time at 25 °C or 77 °F will irreversibly lose approximately 20% capacity per year. However, a battery in a poorly ventilated laptop may be subject to a prolonged exposure to much higher temperatures, which will significantly shorten its life."02:34
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hashierarachnist: i mostly use A-a02:34
ShadowJK"Different storage temperatures produce different loss results: 6% loss at 0 °C (32 °F), 20% at 25 °C (77 °F), and 35% at 40 °C (104 °F). When stored at 40%–60% charge level, the capacity loss is reduced to 2%, 4%, 15% at 0, 25 and 40 degrees Celsius respectively."02:35
hashierarachnist: but you're right, that's a nice feature for irssi on n90002:35
jebbajebdoes it mean anything if it shows 5 dots and the second one is more "lit" than the others?  doesnt appear to be doing anything.  Orange LED pulsating.02:35
DocScrutinizer51shadowjk: good quote. to the point02:35
arachnisthttp://arachnist.doesntexist.org/swap-ng.pl02:36
arachnistif anyone's interested02:36
jebbajebholding down power button does nothing.  Suppose I should yank battery   (?)     My / was at 100%, which is likely related   (though root probably still had some space to work with)02:36
hashierarachnist: th02:36
hashierarachnist: thx*02:36
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jebbajebwoe02:37
jebbajebshard.   Yanking battery and reboot looks like hanging in same spot   :(02:38
DocScrutinizer51jebb)eb: 100 means 10002:38
DocScrutinizer51try cleanup /02:39
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jebbajebDocScrutinizer51:   uh ya, but can't boot up...02:39
DocScrutinizer51root no space left kills every box02:40
ShadowJKisn't 100% / the guaranteed no-boot method?02:40
DocScrutinizer51sorry, no idea - except reflash02:40
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jebbajebno way to get to the filesystem by mounting it as USB device connected to my laptop is there?  Like if it was just a USB drive?02:41
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DocScrutinizer51dunno if that works02:43
DocScrutinizer51note to myself: install a minimal recue system on separate partitopn. and bootmenu02:44
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ArkenoiJust submitted two bugs: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6531 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6529 , would you vote for it, and if not, why? ;-)02:45
povbot`Bug 6531: Extended IM contact info is not fully fetched02:45
povbot`Bug 6529: Contact pictures are not persistent (or just not always)02:45
kalikianajebbajeb, the problem is, you can't mount it in two places. and you need it to run the system from it02:46
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kalikianaI wonder about suggesting .links files in the wiki as an alternative to maemo-optify.02:48
kalikianaFor me maemo-optify failed in weird errors, then I created .links files and it worked just fine02:48
ShadowJK.links? huh?02:48
kalikiana.links is a list of symbolic links, similar to .install files02:48
jebbajebkalikiana: i'm takign a glance at this:   https://wiki.maemo.org/Troubleshooting_boot_issues02:49
jebbajebkalikiana: so is flashing the only way out?02:49
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kalikianajebbajeb, That assumes you didn't actually boot the device fully, so that might work02:51
DocScrutinizer51if there's no way to crank up an aux system. then prolly yes02:51
kalikianajebbajeb, I was just saying you can't mount it while it's running.02:52
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jebbajebkalikiana: ya, i can't get it to boot.  Likely because of 100% full /    but maybe other issue.  Just dont know how to get out of that short of reflashing, which of course i dont really want to do,.02:55
Sargun_ScreenExchange is broken on my device :-( meep.02:56
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Sargun_ScreenAnyone here have a tmobile contract that they would be willing to add a line to02:56
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SpeedEvilSargun_Screen: US?02:58
SpeedEvilJust noticed that tmobile-uk is doing a silly pay-as-you-go SIM - 20 quid for 6 months of internet - 1G/mo fair use02:59
Sargun_ScreenSpeedEvil: US.02:59
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Sargun_ScreenTmobile-US broke data a few months ago apparently.02:59
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jebbajebwhat is "eMMC content 1.2009.41-1"   for the flash?03:08
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kalikianajebbajeb, that's the default contents of the internal memory03:11
kalikianaie. /home/user/MyDocs03:11
dmj7261are there any issues with opengl in scratchbox?03:11
jebbajebwoah bash: ./flasher-3.5: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory03:13
jebbajebis the flasher closed source?  I'm on 64bit fedora 12...03:14
kalikianathere was a 64bit version at some point but it doesn't work with the n900 iirc03:16
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kalikianajebbajeb, just install a few 32bit libs, it won't hurt that much :-)03:16
jebbajebah, free flasher. http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/    But not sure if it works on n90003:16
kalikianawoot03:16
GeneralAntillesjebbajeb, eMMC you don't need03:17
GeneralAntilles0xFFFF has not been updated for the N900 yet.03:17
DocScrutinizer51speedevil@still 25€ here for 5GB *prepaid*03:18
kalikianajebbajeb, let's throw a dice who tries it first? :-D03:18
kalikianai'd guess it would just fail to do anything in the worst case, though03:18
kalikianaI've used old flashers with the n900 which are incompatible before03:19
DocScrutinizer51headset is decent quality but kinda uncomfortable :-/03:19
DocScrutinizer51generalantilles: WAahat r u talking of, great master?03:21
jebbajebi'm trying it now and i'm not getting nothing yet03:21
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jebbajebhttp://www.mail-archive.com/0xffff@lists.nopcode.org/msg00072.html    probably need a fresh build03:22
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DocScrutinizer51darn, xchat won't open URL om clisk by default :-(((03:25
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dmj7261ali1234: you have experience with gles on maemo, right?03:26
DocScrutinizer51sorry, s/om/on/ s/clisk/click/03:26
fnordianslipDocScrutinizer: think "right click" should offer it03:26
ArkenoiIs there really Nokia Messaging support in n900 or just generic imap polling interface (no push)?03:26
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DocScrutinizer51arkenoi: you can ask questions03:27
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DocScrutinizer51wtf is mnokia msgng support? do i w"t it? need it?03:28
DocScrutinizer51want03:29
dmj7261yes ali1234 is doing the ogre port03:29
ManuelSEovi providess it arkenoi03:29
ArkenoiDocScrutinizer, nokia proprietary push email, it is there for symian and said there is n900 version also03:29
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ManuelSEimap polling is not supported for power reasons03:30
ArkenoiManuelSE, how do i set it up? There is "nokia messaging" email type, but it is just generic imap03:30
ArkenoiManuelSE, hmm. why is it more power consuming than staying online with IM?03:30
ManuelSEi do not have a documentation url fpor you03:30
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ManuelSEonline with im would consume more03:31
Arkenoiand i am always online with im anyways03:31
ManuelSEbut online with im is maybe 12 hours, and idle with ovi push is 90 hours03:31
Arkenoiso i guess i could just enable IDLE and be happy03:31
ManuelSEget it?03:31
ManuelSEget it?03:31
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Arkenoihmm, so there *is* ovi push support?03:32
jebbajebok. i built a rpm of 0xFFFF for fedora 12 based on latest hg code....03:32
jebbajebkalikiana.  Not sure what distro you run.,...03:32
Arkenoi(though i get ~20 hours of IM online. not as good as 40 hours i got with symbian but still something i can live with)03:33
DocScrutinizer51what,s 0xFFFF?03:33
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DocScrutinizer51excwpt 6553503:33
fnordianslipwas just gonna type that03:33
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DocScrutinizer51that,s why I did03:34
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Arkenoiit was unwise to disable imap idle for good if it was the only reason. i thought "power consumption" problems mentioned before were much more severe03:35
kalikianajebbajeb, archlinux, so no rpm for me. but thanks for the offer03:35
GeneralAntillesArkenoi, Symbian doesn't have the hardware Maemo has.03:36
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer51, open source flasher.03:36
kalikianathe repository is horribly slow, my goodness03:37
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DocScrutinizer51genealantilles: huh?03:38
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jebbajebDocScrutinizer51:  supposedly a free software flasher for maemo, but not sure if it works with n900.     http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/?p=home03:38
DocScrutinizer51thanks03:38
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DocScrutinizer51generalantilles: thought thats a vcommand to me ;-)03:39
DocScrutinizer51dunno how to open "source flasher" :-P03:41
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jebbajebdamn. gotta take boy to bed. To late. Will work on flashing mañana.   Goodnight doc, kali, all......03:41
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DocScrutinizer51night fella03:43
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dmj7261javis: I'm trying to port an app and it seems to be failing because it can't find opengl.  Any ideas?03:51
DocScrutinizer51well, 150min of screen bl, umts irc, plus mp3 playback: looks like 25percent off the bat03:51
DocScrutinizerrather decent, huh?03:52
kalikianadmj7261, elaborate "can't find"03:53
DocScrutinizeralas handover umts->wlan is a real pita for IRC. not N900 fault...03:53
dmj7261 /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.2.1/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL03:53
dmj7261collect2: ld returned 1 exit status03:53
DocScrutinizer51so soon this imncarnation will face anoter 20min downtime03:54
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DocScrutinizerpresumably03:54
derfdmj7261: What does ls -l /usr/lib/libGL* say?03:55
DocScrutinizerno problem though, and mp3 continues on Sisters Of Mercy ;-)03:56
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GeneralAntillesAh, what isn't there to love about the public school system in the US?03:56
dmj7261-rw-r--r--  1 david 1000 343396 Oct 29 06:18 /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so03:56
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GeneralAntilleshttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hQEEZ1hg7uNolSi46p83k1GIVXJQD9CBAQ90103:56
GeneralAntillesRewarding incompetence is always productive.03:56
derfdmj7261: If that's all it says, you're missing some files.03:56
derfLike, say, /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.5.07010003:57
ManuelSEthat is not a joke, generalantilles?03:57
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ManuelSEi would like to earn 1 million to uninstall seti03:58
dmj7261apparently that SETI thing is very badly reported.03:58
derfIt should come from libgl103:58
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: any idea if we'll see tab nick completion and no segfault for prefs on xchat ?03:58
DocScrutinizeranytime soon?03:58
ManuelSEhow do these people spend so much tax money?  is that not a crime?03:58
dmj7261http://techdirt.com/articles/20091201/0027357144.shtml03:59
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, talk to qwerty1203:59
DocScrutinizerk03:59
GeneralAntillesManuelSE, because they work for the government.03:59
GeneralAntillesManuelSE, like I said, the government rewards incompetence and waste.03:59
dmj7261derf: installed libgl1 and it still has the same issue04:00
DocScrutinizerlol, not a single nick starting with "q" atm04:00
ManuelSEhmm. in germany this is called untreue / unfaithfulness and is sometimes prosecuted04:01
derfAre those files there?04:01
dmj7261[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/Horde3D] > ls -l /usr/lib/libGL*04:02
dmj7261lrwxrwxrwx  1 david 1000      19 Dec  2 20:00 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.5.07010004:02
dmj7261-rw-r--r--  1 david 1000 2387508 Nov 13  2008 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.07010004:02
dmj7261-rw-r--r--  1 david 1000  343396 Oct 29 06:18 /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so04:02
dmj7261lrwxrwxrwx  1 david 1000      20 Dec  2 20:00 /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 -> libGLU.so.1.3.07010004:02
dmj7261-rw-r--r--  1 david 1000  458552 Nov 13  2008 /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3.07010004:02
ManuelSEif this is in your area gan, you can advertise "seti removal" to them for 1000 dollars04:02
ManuelSEand prove their waste04:02
derfRun ldconfig?04:02
derfThough presumably it would have done that for you when installing the library.04:03
luke-jrManuelSE: in the US, they just approved tax money going to murder children. go figure.04:03
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luke-jractually, not "just", but more04:04
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dmj7261ran ldconfig...nothing04:05
derfWell, I fixed one of your problems.04:05
derfNo idea what's wrong with it now.04:05
dmj7261yeah04:06
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dmj7261http://pastebin.com/mec9414804:07
dmj7261there's the cmake output04:08
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: what's the fastest your rebel can shoot?04:08
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ManuelSEwhat is fastest way to get libs and console packages into extras?04:11
ManuelSEe.g. irssi04:11
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, um, the buffer maxes at 9 frames in RAW and it shoots about 3 fps.04:11
ManuelSEthings that just build04:11
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: I meant shutter speed04:11
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I think the newer Rebels are a bit faster.04:11
kalikianaManuelSE, upload them, promote them and find 10 irssi users04:11
crashanddie1/2000?04:11
crashanddie1/4000?04:11
GeneralAntillesOh, um, 1/4000?04:11
GeneralAntillesI think04:11
ManuelSEcan i click somewhere in app manager to vote up applications?04:12
GeneralAntillesYeah, 1/400004:12
GeneralAntillesManuelSE, unfortunately, no.04:12
GeneralAntillesPatches welcome.04:12
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: and your f-number?04:13
luke-jris 'u' a number?04:13
crashanddieluke-jr: micro04:13
kalikianaManuelSE, there is an app for that but it's a bit of extra work to install and configure it04:13
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: you should try lowering your f-number and speeding up your shutter speed, you'd get a better shallow depth of field04:14
ManuelSEcan we add login/voting to app manager?04:14
ManuelSEor voting widget?04:14
ManuelSEi think maemo.org has a password problem04:14
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, what picture are we referring to?04:15
ManuelSEwhat is the name of this app please, kalikiana?04:15
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: in general04:15
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, crappy EF-S lenses.04:15
GeneralAntillesDon't have a ton of wiggle room on the aperture.04:15
crashanddiewhat's the aperture range?04:15
GeneralAntillesf/4.0-5.6 on the 55-250mm04:15
crashanddiewell, that's a lot better than the 8+ I saw on a few pictures :)04:16
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, give me something specific and I can probably tell you why.04:16
kalikianaManuelSE, packagerate04:17
dmj7261this is in scratchbox by the way04:17
ManuelSEtry panasonic lumix dmc-tz7  with leica DC vario-elmar  1:3.3-4.9 / 4.1-49.2 ASPH.04:17
kalikianait looks a bit horrible :-]04:17
crashanddiehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2790463079/meta/in/set-7215760692975346304:17
GeneralAntillesAlthough some of the earlier stuff was just incompetence.04:17
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crashanddiehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2787794309/meta/in/set-7215760692975346304:18
crashanddie(even though the panning on that one is pretty good!)04:18
GeneralAntillesYeah, that CA trip was my first run with the camera04:18
crashanddieok04:18
GeneralAntillesIt was on semi-manual most of the time.04:18
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GeneralAntillesHehe, I took about 100 others to get that one of the Civic.04:18
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: though, I talk a lot, but only have a (very good) P&S04:19
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I really need to get some real lenses.04:20
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chris231989i just had to set my date 2 years in the future to get an old n770 to flash with the windows flasher(tryed 4 differnt machines) and a ubuntu 9.10 box04:25
chris231989anybody else have that happen?04:26
ManuelSEkalikiana, is packagerate window supposed to close and exit after pressing "Upload", and entering username/password?04:29
ManuelSEusername / pw is same as ta!k.maemo.org?04:29
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jaemso... this referendum04:36
jaemwhat is the purpose of it?04:36
* SpeedEvil is confused, and assumed it was spam.04:37
jaemSpeedEvil, it's not04:37
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dmj7261derf: perhaps it is missing -dev packages?04:50
luke-jrit's definately missing pizza04:51
derfdmj7261: That might affect compilation, it shouldn't affect linking.04:51
dmj7261luke-jr: I was referring to my gl prob04:51
derfdmj7261: Ignore luke-jr. He's a troll.04:52
dmj7261hrm...this is frustrating04:52
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jaemdmj7261, what's your issue?04:55
dmj7261 /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.2.1/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL04:55
jaemwhat are you trying to build?04:56
dmj7261horde3d04:56
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jaemhmm... 'fraid I'm not much help with that04:56
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DocScrutinizer51any suggestion how an arbitrary app should notify user (via cmdline call) by playing a tune and activating vibrator shortly?05:00
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DocScrutinizer51play-sound foo.wav && dbus-send foo.vib foo/vib activate 100 30  ??05:02
DocScrutinizer51help much appreciated05:03
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DocScrutinizer51btw: how would I keep AVconnector video output active while minimizing power consumption for LCM and it's backlite?05:08
b-man17http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3544/3339115971_b6d8ac81b3.jpg lol05:08
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DocScrutinizer51i.e. bug or flaw or enhancement? :: keep AVconnector video output alive while dimming/suspending LCD. Make that a config option05:13
* Arkenoi wonders why phone manufacturers claim that GSM/WCDMA battery consumption (according to talk/standby time) differs about 5-10% while actually the difference is at least twice05:15
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Flandryvs what? cdma?05:16
ShadowJKgsm vs wcdma05:17
ShadowJKArkenoi, it depends on the use05:17
Flandryyeah i notice that's swept under the carpet05:17
ShadowJKIt also depends on the network05:18
DocScrutinizer51and largely on chipset05:18
ShadowJKmine is bad for 3G and always-on type use05:18
Flandryis it just because GSM is underdeveloped here?05:18
Flandryor is there a technical reason?05:18
ShadowJKI think it was ukki or konttori who mentioned that the 3G radio has to stay active for, was it 5 seconds after each transmission on my network05:18
ShadowJKSo when I had xchat open yesterday on 3g, and lots of channels, the 3g radio never went to sleep, and half the battery went in 2 hours05:19
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ShadowJKswitched to 2g, and the rate of drain was reduced /alot/05:19
DocScrutinizer51it's actually even much more complex05:19
ShadowJKmore than factor of two05:19
ShadowJKi figured05:19
SpeedEvilrange to tower comes in05:20
ShadowJKYou know what's annoying? dynamic ip. Why? You're on 3G, and get the IP of someone who was running edonkey previously. The UDP queries from other clients never stop...05:21
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, this was about 500 metres from tower :-)05:21
DocScrutinizer51starts with cdma vs time multiplex05:21
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DocScrutinizer51shadowjk: yup, nasty 80 heritage sucks05:23
DocScrutinizer51oops IP heritage05:23
ShadowJKtyping on device? :)05:23
* ShadowJK mixes up Fn and shift all the time..05:23
DocScrutinizer51sure05:23
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DocScrutinizer51shadowjk: the real pita is tcpstack will crank up UMTS tx each time an unsolicited package comes in, just to send a NACK or whatever05:31
ShadowJKthat can be fixed with iptables05:32
DocScrutinizer51yup, *can*05:32
DocScrutinizer51not sure if UMTS is aware of this though ;-)05:33
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AakashN900hey everyone05:36
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AakashN900is there a way to get facebook chat on the conversations app?05:36
ManuelSEis facebook chat api public?05:39
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AakashN900idk, pidgin and other desktop apps have it05:41
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DocScrutinizer51damn, N810 unsolicited reboot once again. I *really* rally hope this shit's been fixed with maemo505:42
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RXrenesis8mab aecgm gleay.o ogjt [{[05:44
AakashN900?05:44
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DocScrutinizer51I actually wonder how the assumed cause of excessive file system operations can cause the watchdog to trigger05:45
ArkenoiDocScrutinizer, haven't ever experienced unsolicited reboot on n900 at all05:45
SpeedEvilme neither05:45
Flandry"unsolicited" lol05:45
DocScrutinizer51on N900. well mine is 3d age05:46
Arkenoiit is amazingly stable05:46
Arkenoiactually never seen a mobile OS being *that* stable05:46
Arkenoii mean real OS, not PalmOS and stuff05:46
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DocScrutinizer51on N810 though I've seen this since a year now05:47
RXrenesis8oy, adium changed my keyboard layout to dvorak!05:47
RXrenesis8and then crashed 10-15 times05:47
Flandrywhat did?05:47
Flandryi use dvorak :)05:48
RXrenesis8It's going to crash again if I do anything to this nickserv popup...05:49
* RXrenesis8 clicks it05:49
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AakashN900no facebook chat? lol05:49
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DocScrutinizer51whats facebook?05:50
FlandryoO05:50
DocScrutinizer51prolly sth I don't like05:50
clmntchhas anybody tried to add "washington dc" in omweather?05:51
derfclmntch: It works fine on the N8x0.05:51
clmntchhrm05:52
clmntchi get a segfault05:52
AakashN900doc05:52
clmntchyeah05:52
DocScrutinizer51I wonder if and when linux will learn to recognize charger attached during boot05:52
clmntchi was thinking that i was just special05:52
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clmntchactually, it only bugs out when i have the widget on the desktop05:53
DocScrutinizer51this really wears the charger receptacle and plug. esp on those unsol reboots of maemo4.105:54
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Maceri'm watching a movie called the grey zone05:59
Macerwow05:59
Macerwhat a messed up movie05:59
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asidjazzflash _successful_06:10
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jebbajebasidjazz: that's what i'm just getting ready to do.06:15
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Flandryjeremiah: Perhaps the reason the promotion page reload hadn't finished, even though the app is now in extras, was because it was working on putting it in downloads. I don't know if it's all part of the same script or not, but in any case it still hasn't showed up on downloads.06:20
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jebbajebcool, looks like unbricking was successful.   Though when i select America Latina for time zones on initial setup, it doesn't give me a GMT acceptable for me.... It only gives places in mexico06:26
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Flandryi thought the USA was the only place that saw Latin America that way06:38
jebbajeb0xFFFFF dumps core on me with "buffer overflow detected"06:39
jebbajebapparently in Finland too ;)06:39
DangerMausjebbajeb,  you bricked it again? how many is that now?06:40
jebbajebjust bricked once  ;)   reflashed it ok though.   Trying to flash with 0xFFFFF, but it won't go.06:44
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DangerMausi  had a weird one earlier  i fumbled the powerswitch while turning it on pushed it twice  on boot up and it wad a dead set till i pulled the battery06:45
Klownerenjoying yours so far DangerMaus ?06:45
DangerMaustotaly06:46
DangerMausit did that bit scarry06:46
DangerMausbut  can deal with it06:46
DangerMauswent to the store Klowner  and no sooner did i park than it locked on an open wifi06:47
Klownersweet :(06:48
Klownersent mine back06:48
DangerMausi dont have a plan yet   still trying to decide between the 206:48
DangerMausaww w you not even gonna play with it? and try to brick it a fe times?06:49
DangerMausbut att's map is screwie06:49
DangerMausi want to go tmo06:49
DangerMausthough06:49
KlownerI don't think they're cross shipping06:49
DangerMauswhat you read it again??06:50
Klowneremail06:51
Klownererr06:51
DangerMausahh06:51
Klownerwoman on phone made it sound like cross06:51
Klowneremail totally didn't06:51
DangerMaushaha picked up a junker phone for where i wont take the 900 and turned it on and it spoke spanish to me06:52
DangerMaus#$%^&*(06:52
DangerMauswhen i have sent hardware back to other co's they give me a week to send back or charge my card for it06:53
DangerMaustill the get it back06:54
Klowneryeah06:54
KlownerI sent it just to be sure06:54
Klownersince they don't reply to emails..06:54
DangerMausha06:54
DangerMausand your not doing the 3h call thing again i take it06:54
Klownermaybe tomorrow06:55
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Klownerthough I had trouble understanding them on the phone07:00
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DangerMaushehe the'll send it dumb post07:03
Klownermy return was fedex ground07:04
DangerMausok router firmware07:04
Klownerso, I'll be right pissed if they're waiting for it07:04
DangerMauslol07:04
DangerMausto indy? or NY07:04
Klownerindy07:05
Klowneroh, estimated delivery for tomorrow07:06
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DangerMauskool koool hope you dont gotta be anywhere tomarrow Klowner07:15
KlownerI mean my busted one will be in indy tomorrow07:16
DangerMausgotta flash rents new router the  the one there on now dose random reboots and looses its connx to the modem07:17
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DangerMausahh07:17
DangerMausthought they sent ou a track # for the new one07:17
Klownerno, that's what I thought it was at first but then noticed that was the number on the shipping label they emailed me to attach to the box for return07:18
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DangerMausbloody hell found the wiki page but not the firmware page07:22
DangerMausgotta love it07:23
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DangerMausKlowner, so my buddy says he cant possably spend that kinda money on a phone... he'd have to buy a puter ... i reply thats exactly what it did only it fits in my pocket and dials out too07:26
Klownerthat was my rationalization07:26
Klownerit's like a tiny tiny netbook07:27
Klownerand my blackberry pisses me off too07:27
johnxxI can't see myself buying a netbook07:27
johnxxmy devices either need to be 1) damn close to pocketable or 2) fast07:29
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rashed2020Netbooks are God's punishment to laptop manufacturer's for being dicks.07:31
DangerMausim on a netbook atm07:32
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rashed2020Why?07:33
simula_i thought a netbook would do it for me... but it just isn't as portable and hence actually something i'll use as my n90007:33
DangerMausand it makes the 13" lapppie at my feeet look giant07:33
rashed2020Acer's 3810T is perfect if you're looking for something small.07:33
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simula_once i get my dev environment installed onto my n900 it will be perfect :)07:34
johnxxI actually have a netbook from work for a project I'm working on, but it's just totally unusably slow, and I can't deal with the 1024x600 screen07:34
DangerMausi was going fot battery so im on a 1005ha-p07:34
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simula_i grew up with vga, so 800x480 is awesome07:34
DangerMausand it it bounces round my truck offroading not a big loss07:34
johnxxI have the attention of a hamster on speed, so I tend to multitask pretty heavily. 1024x600 means one app visible at a time, and that's kind of a deal breaker. Also, the thought of running big compiles and/or qemu on an N270 makes me cringe07:35
rrr__i run blender on my netbook :p07:36
johnxxand some people like hot wax being melted on them :)07:37
Klownerand ball hooks07:37
DangerMaus:eek:07:39
simula_luckily i'm just programming... typing is pretty low cpu utilization07:39
DangerMausok off to the feedbag for a bit then maybe i can find the actual dd-wrt dl page not the matrix07:40
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ManuelSEthis sucks,  n900 slowing down07:56
simula_do you have multiple apps open at the same time?07:56
ManuelSEthis sucks,  n900 slowing down07:56
ManuelSEfourteen07:56
ManuelSE:)07:56
simula_heh07:56
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ManuelSEi actually see people complain like that07:57
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ManuelSEvery exciting productt07:57
simula_it's my little portable computer... i'm lovin it07:57
DangerMaus   lol  lojust had a cant preform that   running out of memory yellow bar .... webcam was on forgot about it07:57
ManuelSEtransforms your day also?07:57
ManuelSEi have to delete more videos07:58
simula_it gives me something to do when i'd just be wasting time sitting around07:58
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ManuelSEctrl-bksp is my favorite sjortcut07:59
simula_what does that do?07:59
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johnxxit's "show all windows"08:00
simula_ahh, thanks08:01
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grasshello?08:03
simula_hey08:03
timeless_mbphi08:03
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* timeless_mbp looks for people to check a map08:04
timeless_mbphttp://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/corrected.html08:04
grasshi everybody, I'm new to Maemo and I want to develop some apps using SMS08:04
grassAnybody could give me a direction?08:04
grassI'd like to use Qt only08:04
timeless_mbpi'd like to use an unsupported powertool08:05
* timeless_mbp looks for a mishaped drill08:05
simula_grass... one sec, i'll get you a link08:05
grassgreat, thanks!08:05
timeless_mbpsorry, i've been up all night moving points around08:05
KlownerI'd like to use a swarthy sea lion08:05
simula_hey grass... here is for developing for maemo on another dev box:08:06
simula_http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon#Using_the_Qt_4.6_tech_preview_in_Fremantle08:06
simula_i'm working on getting the qt sdk built from source directly on the n900 itself :)08:06
grassthanks, simula_!08:07
simula_np, good luck grass08:07
grassI just setup my vmware player08:07
grassdid you use the prebuilt image?08:07
grassDo I need to install Qt even if I08:07
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grassm running the prebuilt image?08:08
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simula_hey grass... that link should have everything you need08:08
ManuelSEwow timeless nice08:08
ManuelSEnice panning08:08
timeless_mbpManuelSE: which?08:08
simula_me personally... i'm holding out until i can set up my n900 as my maemo dev environment itself08:08
grasssure, I'm reading it...08:08
ManuelSEthat giant map08:08
timeless_mbpthe map was redone by sp3000 using map drifts that i calculated08:09
timeless_mbpand then i moved the data around08:09
andre__grass, maybe also see the links in the thread here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=36515808:09
grassthanks andre_!!!08:09
grasswhere can I find the SMS programming part of Qt?08:10
grasscouldn't find it in the developer's guide08:10
wazdmornin' all08:10
simula_grass... there is a new mobility section of the sdk... let me see if i can find it08:10
grassthat'll be very helpful!08:11
sulxgrass: there aint no SMS library in qt...08:12
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ManuelSEtimeless is that one large jpg?08:13
KlownerI think the phone operations are handled via dbus or something like that, but I don't know anything08:13
grasssulx: really? Then I have to use the GTK+ way?08:13
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simula_hey grass... this is the closest i could get... it is a work in progress, but there is source:08:14
simula_http://qt.nokia.com/developer/new-qt-apis?currentflipperobject=c7fcf92f7505aeb6bbe2e48df7106b3108:14
timeless_mbpManuelSE: sure...08:14
timeless_mbpwell, for some definition of large08:14
timeless_mbpit's 1500px wide by 919px tall08:14
timeless_mbpit's the same dimensions as the one used by the clock app08:14
timeless_mbpthe big difference is that it isn't anywhere near as messed up!08:14
grassThank you very much simula_!!08:14
simula_np sir08:14
sulxsimula_: ah didn't even know such thing existed08:15
sulxnice08:15
simula_yeah... the trolls are coming out with a whole buncha stuff nows adays :)08:16
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grasssulx and simula_: it seems Maemo doesn't support messaging for now...:(08:17
grassI meant maemo508:18
timeless_mbpok, if a couple of people could possibly download wdb.new and the latest map and try it w/ their clock, that'd be appreciated08:18
timeless_mbpmy initial testing shows that the data is much better than the n900 sales clock08:18
timeless_mbpbut... real eyeballs are appreciated08:18
DangerMaushehehe the nokia one had a city in canada rite next to chicago08:19
timeless_mbpDangerMaus: hrm...08:19
timeless_mbpyou're looking at n900.html?08:19
grasssimula_: N900 uses maemo5, isn't it?08:19
DangerMausno08:20
simula_grass... yulps08:20
DangerMausjust when i was setting up the clocks i kept getting that canuk city08:20
grasssimula_: I saw that the messaging box is grey for maemo5 here: http://qt.nokia.com/doc/qtmobility-1.0-tp/index.html#platform-compatability08:21
timeless_mbpDangerMaus: hrm, could you please download wdb.new and map-new.jpg?08:21
grasssimula_: which means it's being developed right not08:21
timeless_mbpi'll walk you through setting them up, because i really need to know if it works for you08:21
grassnow08:21
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DangerMauswhere timeless08:21
DangerMauswhere timeless_mbp08:22
timeless_mbphttp://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/wdb.new08:22
timeless_mbphttp://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/map-new.jpg08:22
timeless_mbpsave those two files to your n900 (preferably in the top level folder as visible from file manager)08:22
DangerMausgah08:23
DangerMausummm cable08:23
timeless_mbp?08:23
timeless_mbpuse the web browser on the n90008:23
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DangerMausunder lunch i think it is08:23
Venomrushsysteminfowidget updated08:23
Venomrushlol08:23
DangerMausnot thinking yet08:23
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derfThe Bering Straight still looks wrong, but I suspect no one will care.08:25
timeless_mbpderf: that one's mostly unfixable08:26
timeless_mbp(we know)08:26
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timeless_mbpoh08:26
timeless_mbpsp3000 was supposed to move the island under russia08:26
derfIt's not like anyone lives there.08:27
timeless_mbpit's currently on the american side of the map (probably because the "artist" said "hey, it's an american island, i'll stick it with the americas")08:27
timeless_mbpanyway, the map is effectively too wide there08:27
timeless_mbpand figuring out how to compress it scares me a lot08:27
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DangerMausbastage.. timeless_mbp i cant get the ~ to type on the touch kb  it just highlights but wwont go on the url line...08:28
timeless_mbp(plus if the width of the image changes from 1500, or the height from 919, the clock app would need a recompile)08:28
timeless_mbpDangerMaus: tap ~, press <space>08:28
timeless_mbpDangerMaus: that row of keys is a row of "dead keys"08:28
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DangerMausok got it08:28
timeless_mbpthey let you compose things, like [~n], ['e] [:o] [^u]08:28
DangerMausthats weird08:28
derfJust saying, it would have been nice to have the international date line vaugely correct.08:29
rashed2020N97 Mini for $480? Ha-Ha, Nokia.08:29
timeless_mbpif you spend time writing italian/german/french, you get used to them08:29
cehtehhehe anyone tried to setup real xcompose08:29
DocScrutinizer51dangermaus: same tilde issue here with xchat08:29
timeless_mbpderf: if you want to try to recolor the map, you're welcome to give it a shot08:29
derfIt's supposed to do a zig down near New Zealand also, but again, no one lives there. It's just open water.08:29
timeless_mbpi think the deadline is ~ +6hrs08:29
derfNah, I've been up, working, for 20 hours.08:30
* timeless_mbp ponders08:30
timeless_mbpit's 8:30am, i started working somewhere around perhaps 10am yesterday?08:30
timeless_mbpi'm pretty sure i win08:30
timeless_mbpor lose08:30
DocScrutinizer51aah ok08:30
timeless_mbpdepending on how you play the game08:30
timeless_mbpbut seriously, if anyone here wants to try to fix the time zone lines/coloring08:31
derfAnd NokiaUSA still hasn't shipped the device I orderd 4 days ago, when people who ordered after me have gotten theirs.08:31
timeless_mbpyou have roughly 6 hours08:31
derfSo I'm not feeling charitable at the moment.08:31
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timeless_mbpderf: i'll throw in some USD via paypal for the effort08:31
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derfMoney is the one thing I don't need.08:31
johnxxderf, well I can definitely help you then :)08:32
derfSleep I do... I've got a lot to get done tomorrow, too.08:32
derf'Night.08:32
timeless_mbpgood night08:32
johnxx'night derf08:32
* timeless_mbp contemplates doing the same08:32
* timeless_mbp pokes DangerMaus , johnxx 08:32
* johnxx is poked08:33
timeless_mbpjohnxx: see two urls above, could you download them to an n900?08:33
timeless_mbpi need some people to try using them w/ the clock app to see if they have any complaints08:33
johnxxalright, but keep in mind that I'm about as good at geography as an American ...08:33
johnxxso where do they go?08:34
timeless_mbpcan you read a map or use google maps?08:34
DangerMausderf, that'd be me08:34
timeless_mbpsudo gainroot08:34
johnxxtimeless_mbp, I am unable to read08:34
timeless_mbpmv /usr/share/clock/wdb /usr/share/clock/wdb.sales08:34
timeless_mbpcp /home/user/MyDocs/wdb.new /usr/share/clock/wdb08:34
DangerMauscrap didnt get to the gainroot bit yet08:35
Venomrushhaving problems transferring large number of files over USB08:35
Venomrushie my music folder08:35
Venomrush407 items ~1.7GB08:36
L0cMini9re08:36
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Venomrushkept getting errors when trying to copy the folder08:36
* DangerMaus jumps in with both feet08:36
Venomrushhad to copy them all manually..08:36
timeless_mbpmv /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/clock_worldmap_time_chooser.jpg /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/clock_worldmap_time_chooser.sales.jpg08:36
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timeless_mbpcp /home/user/MyDocs/map-new.jpg /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/clock_worldmap_time_chooser.jpg08:36
johnxxVenomrush, I did too, then I fscked the drive, dunno if that helped08:36
timeless_mbpkillall worldclock08:36
johnxxbut i haven't had the problem again08:36
timeless_mbp---- open the clock ----08:37
Venomrush-.-08:37
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Venomrushhow do u mean f*cked up the drive08:37
johnxxman fsck08:37
Venomrushah08:38
johnxx:)08:38
Venomrushparameters?08:38
Venomrushjust 'fsck'?08:38
* DangerMaus takes notes 08:39
johnxxplug n900 into linux machine, umount /media/Nokia\ N900 && fsck /dev/<whatever device it is>08:39
Venomrushhmm im using windows08:40
johnxxah, chkdsk or whatever it is you guys have should be fine08:40
johnxxit is vfat after all08:40
cehtehhehe this plugin functionality and vfat will likely be the first thing i disable when i get the device :P08:41
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Maceris it me or is terminator salvation too much like the future version of the matrix?08:42
johnxxcehteh, the vfat I could believe, but plugging it in for mass file transfers is really nice08:42
cehtehplugging it in should charge the device and maybe build a network connection over usb08:42
Macerthe whole machine vs humans thing08:42
Macereven the sounds08:42
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cehtehjohnxx: i alas disliked that beacuse one cant hear to music while uploading some more08:42
johnxxthat's a good argument against it definitely08:43
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cehtehjohnxx: at some point i might consider to write a 'virtual' fat filesystem08:43
johnxxand it ships with the g_ether module, so it should be possible08:43
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cehtehqemu had some code for that08:43
cehtehwell i prolly will not work on such, but that would be a nice thing08:44
johnxsshfs would be awesome over g_ether I bet08:44
cehtehsshfs works over wlan too :P08:44
Macernow motorcycle terminators08:45
Venomrushwhy isn't fsck command supported on n900 itself?08:45
Macerwow these guys think of everything08:45
johnxVenomrush, it might be. you'd have to manually umount the /home/user/MyDocs08:45
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cehtehbut having it networked is far more flexible than mounting it as storage device .. someone could even setup a samba there, small samba doesnt cost much resources08:45
cehtehin case of windows (i dont really care lala)08:46
johnxcehteh, it works great over wlan. I use it a lot, but it's nice having 10MB/s+ of transfer rate sometimes :)08:46
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johnxyeah, I stopped caring about smbfs pretty much as soon as I discovered sshfs :)08:46
* cehteh even watched DVD in the sleeping room on the laptop over sshfs .. the dvd put in the desktop 08:47
cehtehwell sshfs has few issues as any fuse filesystem has08:47
cehtehbut generally it works nice08:47
johnxyeah. it's sooo nice to have the networked filesystems be outside of kernelspace though :)08:47
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simula_n900awww yeah08:48
simula_n900irssi ftw08:48
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cehtehhehe08:49
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cehtehany news on imap idle? .. some software on the n900 seems realy halfbaked08:50
Venomrushinteresting bug http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3577208:50
cehtehmodest is one of this cases ..08:50
johnxcehteh, sooo much better than it used to be :)08:50
* cehteh hopes for claws on maemo508:51
ManuelSEimap idle is halfbaked08:51
ManuelSEwell no, just a necessary workaround for some situations08:51
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johnxtimeless_mbp, I don't see anything *wrong* but I don't know what I'm looking for ...08:53
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simula_is anyone here on irssi on a nxx?08:55
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simula_i'm trying to figure out how to switch windows without an alt key08:55
johnxcan't you use a / command? also, why not bind alt in your x term?08:56
johnx(to one of those onscreen keys on the toolbar)08:57
simula_oh sweet... i didn't know i could... i'm gonna figure that out... thanks johnx :)08:57
johnxit's not straightforward, but search t.m.o for the guy who added a '|' to his08:58
simula_darn hehe08:58
Venomrushhow do you copy contact from phone -> SIM?08:59
Venomrushcan only see a SIM option which is to view the contacts from the SIM08:59
Venomrushcan't see any options to send contacts over to SIM..08:59
simula_n900it seems /window works08:59
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simula_n900irc on my n900.  too sweet!09:01
DangerMaustimeless_mbp,  cant fig how to save that db page09:02
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Nitialsimula_n900: isn't there esc somewhere? use that instead of alt09:05
Nitialsoft key maybe09:05
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simula_n900that works nitial, thanks09:06
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DangerMauswhat nitwit left the | off the kb09:08
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simula_n900there is an extra screen input with pipes, brackets, and other goodies09:11
DangerMausok ok got the saving thing back to the old ^s09:11
DangerMausnowait still saving as a web page09:12
DangerMausgah09:12
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tigertsimula_n900: /alias wg window go09:20
tigertsimula_n900: then /wg 89 :)09:20
tigertor ctrl-n/p09:20
Corsacor alt-a09:20
Corsac(i use that a lot)09:21
tigerttheres no alt09:21
Corsacha :)09:21
Corsac(I guess you can remap that, though)09:21
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inztigert, is there esc?09:24
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simula_n900there is an escape on the alternate screen input09:28
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simula_n900oops, i meant on the xterm onscreen buttons09:29
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* DangerMaus passes out09:31
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timeless_mbpDangerMaus: um09:33
timeless_mbpyou could use wget :)09:33
* timeless_mbp goes to make a debian package09:33
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DangerMaustimelessman in m realy not thinking today09:36
DangerMaustimeless_mbp,  in m realy not thinking today09:36
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DangerMaustimeless_mbp,  i got a nice bt kb rite here but just wont stay connected to the 900...09:37
DangerMausno will me headset09:38
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DangerMausbut ohwell heard bt was a bit bugified09:38
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murrayc_What's this character election thing? I don't understand the point of it.09:47
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Corsacmurrayc_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=405742&postcount=1409:48
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murrayc_Corsac: So they want to know what characters I use most often?09:51
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murrayc_And they want to ask some hackers?09:51
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murrayc_Then they'll get a hacker's keyboard.09:51
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Corsacthey ask maemo.org population09:52
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Corsacso yeah, mostly geeks I guess09:53
Corsacbut we don't know how much that will count in the end, nor if they don't do the same kind of poll elsewhere09:53
Corsacbut yeah, they know who they ask for09:53
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CorsacI'm not to worry about having a “hacker's keyboard” tbh09:53
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meceAahahah! Awesome terminator thread in tmo today :D09:58
Maceri just finished watching teminator salvation10:00
Macerwhat a stupid movie :)10:00
andre__tmo is getting more and more useless10:00
andre__because of stuff like this.10:00
Stskeepsmece: i wonder if he's one of the people who had shown his IMEI10:01
Macerisn't the entire web useless?10:01
Venomrushanyone know how to transfer contacts to SIM?10:01
Macerhaha10:01
MacerStskeeps: someone is going to highjack their number!10:01
Venomrushonly options i see is to view SIM contacts, and not able to do anything to it10:01
Macerdo they have that in their info line?10:01
Macerrunning motorola krzr imei 238742378973289273 M0DD3D10:02
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Macerl33t10:02
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andre__murrayc_: character election: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-community/should_we_restart_the_unicode_voting/10:02
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Stskeepsmece: i can't imagine how anyone is surprised their N900 is self-aware, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxiOKKF721U10:03
Stskeeps:P10:03
amit_usualhi , can I know how I can add to gpe contacts10:03
Venomrushandre__: how to transfer contacts to SIM?10:03
amit_usualI want to read vcards and add them to gpe-contacts is their any applications for that?10:05
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meceStskeeps, haha exactly :D It's the weird little dude in there making the calls :D10:07
mecetmo seriously need the ignore thread button.10:07
adeuslike most forum sites10:08
adeusannoyingly absent feature10:08
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Venomrushanyone know how to transfer contacts to SIM?10:08
mecePersonal ignore list.10:08
Venomrushand why does copying a folder with large number of files failed over USB?10:08
Stskeepsvista?10:09
Stskeeps:P10:09
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Venomrush7 mate10:09
Venomrush:\10:09
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Venomrushif i copy them individually, as in select all the individual files, it works10:10
Venomrush:\10:10
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andre__Venomrush: why do you ask me?10:12
Venomrushyou seem to be the 'know it all guy' :)10:12
andre__then I should work on destroying that impression :-P10:13
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andre__Venomrush, I also tried 10 minutes ago because of the forum posting, and could not find out. maybe it's not supported...10:14
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Venomrushhmm ok, i guess i'll log it as an enhancement10:15
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RST38hmoo all10:20
meceRST38h, baa10:21
* RST38h shaves mece10:22
* mece shaves some whales10:22
meceis the file manager open source?10:22
mecethe N900 on, that people are complaining about10:23
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Stskeepsmaybe only the parts from libhildonfm10:23
timeless_mbphelp :(10:24
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timeless_mbpcan someone please remind me how debian packaging works? :)10:24
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mecetimeless_mbp, are you being repressed?10:24
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: magic and fairies10:24
LorthirkRST38h: meow10:24
mecewhat he said.10:24
inztimeless, dh_make && dpkg-buildpackage ;)10:24
timeless_mbpmece: i'm being tortured10:24
DangerMausmagic smoke10:24
mecehmm the last on I did I made dh_make -f sourcearchive.tgz10:26
meceand then umm..10:26
mecefakeroot debian/rules binary10:26
mece:)10:26
meceno idea if it's the correct way, but it worked.10:27
* Stskeeps ponders if 15eur/month for 4gb/month data plan is expensive10:27
adeusthat worked purely by accident :P10:27
meceStskeeps, unlimited speed on that?10:27
Stskeepsyeah10:28
Stskeepsgprs and 3g10:28
Stskeepsand cdma if anyone used that abdomination10:28
meceStskeeps, seems ok price.10:28
meceStskeeps, cdma is the hd-dvd of telecom. I would have said betamax, but betamax was actually good.10:28
Stskeeps20gb for 30 eur10:28
meceStskeeps, how much do you use?10:29
Stskeepsat the moment? less than i did when i lived in .dk\10:29
meceStskeeps, they are all unlimited here, but the speeds differ in pricing. 30€ for full speed unlimited.10:29
Stskeeps:nod:10:29
Stskeepsi don10:29
Stskeeps't mind a quota personally10:29
meceStskeeps, I'd take the 4Gb, I think it's a good price. I'm poor though :)10:30
meceI currently have 512kbps unlimited10:30
Stskeepsneed something sane for my n900 so10:30
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luke-jrStskeeps: over here, it's 5 GB/mo for at least like 100 USD/mo :/10:33
arachnisthuh10:33
arachnisthere you can get 6GB/mo for 60 pln/mo10:34
luke-jrwtf is pln? XD10:34
Stskeepsarachnist: hm, what subscription is that?10:34
luke-jryou *can't* get 6 GB/mo in the US :|10:34
Stskeepsarachnist: (i live in poland now too :P)10:34
arachnistluke-jr: polish zloty10:34
arachnistStskeeps: orange10:34
luke-jrunless you do overage charges per KB10:34
arachnistluke-jr: 60 pln == 22 usd10:34
luke-jrnice10:34
luke-jrUSA sucks for connectivity :(10:35
Stskeepsarachnist: well, is that their CDMA offer or the one that people actually can use on a cellphone10:35
Stskeepsarachnist: (what city are you in btw?, warsaw here)10:35
arachnistStskeeps: warsaw :>10:35
Stskeepscool10:35
arachnistStskeeps: the one that you can use on the cellphone10:36
Stskeepsarachnist: hm, only found the 4gb one so far10:36
luke-jryou'll have to get coffee together every morning!10:36
luke-jr:p10:36
meceOn a sidenote, from a metal music point of view, poland is awesome!10:36
mece:D10:36
luke-jr...10:36
luke-jrwhat about a plastic music point of view?10:37
arachnistmece: :>10:37
Stskeepsarachnist: i finally got a PESEL after several months of waiting, so i can finally get a data plan :P10:37
arachnistluke-jr: there's a lot of plastic crap here10:37
meceluke-jr, not sure about that.10:37
Stskeepsinstead of throwing more money after orange pay-as-you-go10:37
mecearachnist, well Behemoth and Vader canel out all the plastic :)10:37
arachnistStskeeps: you weren't born in poland, were you?10:37
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Stskeepsarachnist: correct, i am a danish citizen :P10:37
Stskeepsmoved here in september, married to a polish girl10:38
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arachnistStskeeps: oh, that explains10:39
hrwmorning10:39
Stskeepsmorning hrw10:39
hrwStskeeps: which operator you use now? era/plus/orange/play?10:40
Stskeepsorange atm10:41
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arachnistStskeeps: looks like they've changed it in the last few days10:44
Stskeepsprobably due to xmas, heh10:44
DangerMausbest use for the stylus on the n900?  Getting the back cover off easily :P10:45
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aSIMULAtorgreat, our flight's delayed10:45
Stskeepsfinnair?10:46
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LynoureDangerMaus: hee :)10:46
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aSIMULAtoryeah10:47
aSIMULAtorand although it says we have only an 8kg allowance for handcarry10:47
aSIMULAtorthey can suck it10:47
aSIMULAtorwith this baggage handling strike10:47
aSIMULAtorthey suggest no check ins10:48
DangerMausits true :P pop open where you start then push it all the way in on that side then move to other side and repeat the cover falls rite off10:48
aSIMULAtormy laptop alone is like 2kg10:48
Venomrushmy laptop alone is like 5kg :\10:48
Stskeepseat your own dog food and do everything on a n900? ;)10:48
* Stskeeps didn't bring laptop to .dk and worked off n900 for a week, with some intermittent access to a desktop machine10:49
timeless_mbpaSIMULAtor, et al: ok, i've got an updated localization which includes an updated map10:49
DangerMausLynoure, you seem familar10:49
timeless_mbpi'm looking for people who have some time and some sense of geography (or who are at least able to compare two maps)10:50
aSIMULAtori have a sense of geography, it's always been my strong point, but no time at all10:50
DangerMausme!!  when i get it me head in the game timeless10:50
timeless_mbpjust ask HAM to update everything10:51
* DangerMaus smacks self silly10:51
timeless_mbpyou'll get the update10:51
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timeless_mbplet someone else use your n900 ;-)10:51
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DangerMausawww10:51
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Venomrushdo you trust ovi maps for your navigation? :p10:53
aSIMULAtortruthfully?10:55
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arachnistmy laptop alone is 1.5kg10:55
arachnist2kg with the charger10:55
StskeepsVenomrush: no.10:57
StskeepsVenomrush: if anything, disable cell-id localization, it makes it a -little- bit saner10:57
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cehtehlaptop fail :P10:59
StskeepsVenomrush: i have occasionally thought about making a programme that exports N900 GPS as bluetooth GPS and using my n810.11:00
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LynoureDangerMaus: I was here back when I had N800... and I'm on (and have been) on many other channels11:02
DangerMausdid you have a 770 with a scrambled screen way back?11:03
LynoureDangerMaus: worn out more than scrambled, but yes.11:03
DangerMausand i was prob loft30611:03
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LynoureDangerMaus: Now I'm soon starting a happycodingsabbatical, with a GTD app for N900 in mind :)11:04
Lynoure(soon, as in on Monday)11:04
StskeepsLynoure: ooh. interested.11:04
DangerMaushmmm11:05
LynoureStskeeps: I hope to have something (maybe not much, though) to show on Dec 18th11:05
Stskeeps:nod:11:05
LynoureSo far it's just a pile of ideas and a name (maebi)11:05
Lynourepronounced not all too differently from "maybe"11:06
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Stskeeps:nod:11:07
Stskeepsbeen meaning to get back on the gtd wagon for a while now and the tiddlywiki based ones just didn't work for me on n8x0/n90011:07
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cehtehtiddlywiki doesnt work on n900? woot :/11:09
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Stskeepswork for me, that is11:10
Stskeepsas in, not a good daily routine11:10
suihkulokkiwhat does it need to work?11:11
DangerMausit is so weird just rebooting a phone from cli11:11
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timeless_mbpso... anyone else willing to help validate a map? :/11:18
luke-jrtimeless_mbp: you know my answer! :P11:18
CorsacI guess that require a device?11:19
timeless_mbpyou need to get an n900?11:19
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timeless_mbpCorsac: well, kinda, i guess11:19
Corsacok :)11:19
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timeless_mbpi dunno, i haven't checked an n8x011:19
Corsacsorry then11:19
timeless_mbpit's /possible/ the files are the same11:19
timeless_mbpsomeone could check ;)11:19
luke-jrn8x0 doesn't have maps, afaik?11:19
timeless_mbpthis isn't map11:20
timeless_mbpit's clock11:20
timeless_mbpad the clock was around in the 77011:20
luke-jrhow does that validate a map?11:20
DangerMauslookin round in south america now11:20
* GeneralAntilles yawns and hits the road.11:21
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: road might hit you back..11:21
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DangerMausoh i geuss brazill dose goo that far west11:22
* DangerMaus pulls out the 77011:24
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DangerMausnot too many cities an the 770 clock timeless11:26
timeless_mbpDangerMaus: the map has *never* cared about time zones11:26
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timeless_mbpthat's another bug11:26
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timeless_mbpDangerMaus: yeah, but does /usr/share/clock/wdb exist?11:26
DangerMaushmm11:26
timeless_mbpand if so. is it similar to the one in the n900?11:26
timeless_mbpand similarly, is the map the same file/path/size/shape?11:26
timeless_mbpanyway, i need to do some other stuff11:26
DangerMauswdb exists11:28
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DangerMauswait'11:29
DangerMauswrong n11:29
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DangerMausno not even a /usr/share/clock11:31
DangerMaustimeless_mbp,11:31
DangerMaus^^^11:31
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Ensiferumis there a "theme api" in maemo for queyring the system at runtime for theme details such as window background/button colors etc?11:38
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Stskeepsensi: GTK's stuff? :P11:39
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ensihmm but hildon adds stuff on gtk11:40
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truI think the term you are looking for is "unholy mess"11:41
tigerthmmm11:44
tigerthas anyone used the vnc viewer for osx screen viewing?11:44
tigertis the osx a ip.address.here:0 ?11:44
tigertor what? the vnc viewer just says it cannot control11:44
tigerterm11:44
tigertcannot connect11:44
tigertI can ping the machine fine11:44
sgbirchhow do you minimize the media player when it is playing a video?11:45
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tigertsgbirch: you dont :P11:45
sgbirchtigert: bug?11:45
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tigertfeature?11:45
tigertits a thin line :)11:45
tigertI dont like it either11:46
sgbirchtigert: well .. it is the first bug/feature I have experienced.  Oh .. except for the loss of productivity for the last two days after buying the N900 :-)11:46
tigertI mean11:46
tigertit will pause when you switch away11:46
tigertyou can use ctrl-backspace to switch apps11:46
tigertbut it will stop playing when in background11:46
tigertif that is what you meant?11:46
sgbirchtigert: ahhhh .. yes, exactly.  Can you do that without opening the keyboard?11:47
tigertno :/11:47
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tigertbut the videoplayer shows back-button in topright when you tap the screen when video plays11:47
tigertso you can return to the video list and switch apps from there11:47
sgbirchtigert: I love the way n900 works with vnc .. I have it on my desktop while working. Cool11:48
tigertthe video resumes where you left if you continue11:48
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tigertsgbirch: I think I have a firewall here somewhere that blocks vnc and ssh between hosts11:48
DangerMaushmmm should fig how to add the | in lew of the GBP symbol here is the states11:48
sgbirchtigert: too bad, both ssh and vnc work really well. I am used to ssh on N810 which was slow. This is incredible.11:49
GeneralAntillesAnybody else notice the N900 often seems to send Snow Leopard into fits?11:49
* GeneralAntilles gets a -10810 from Finder.app now.11:49
DangerMaushahaha GeneralAntilles11:51
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DangerMausGeneralAntilles, thi first time i plugged it into a xp box the thing wend looking for lots and lots of drivers11:52
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sgbirchwhich irc client are ppl using on n900?11:53
tigertsgbirch: Terminal + ssh + screen running irssi11:54
DangerMausim still ssh'ng to home11:54
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DangerMaussame here tigert11:54
tigertthats the way I have always done11:54
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DangerMauswhen xchatis outta deval i'll prob use that11:55
plr_irssi here11:55
MyrttiDEVEL!11:55
tigertxchat is not really having a nice ui on maemo :(11:56
DangerMaushehe11:56
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tigertits a mash-shoehorned desktop ui into the device11:56
tigertcould be much nicer with some work11:56
DangerMausthy got xchat-text?11:56
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suihkulokkime being lazy, is there work on maemo-nethack port to fremantle ?11:57
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DangerMausi;ll settle for irssi also11:57
viggiirssi ftw!11:57
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zaheer__suihkulokki, AD-N770 was looking at it i think11:57
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tigerthmm11:57
tigertnethack would also run nicely in screen11:57
tigerthmmmmm... ;)11:58
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suihkulokki:P11:58
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tigertI just never learned the keyboard moving, missing arrowkeys11:58
tigertN900 would be motivation for that ;)11:58
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suihkulokkitigert: AD-N770's maemo ui had a compass to click on screen for movement11:59
DM_770bit ufly on this tige11:59
DM_770rt11:59
floriangood morning12:00
DM_770ugly12:00
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DangerMaushmm12:01
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tigertsuihkulokki: oh12:01
AD-N770I've to try to build it for freemantle12:02
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AD-N770just not found time yet to do an attempt12:02
AD-N770I've some more ideas to improve the UI12:02
AD-N770to make it more suitable for N90012:02
suihkulokkiAD-N770: are you headed to the barcelona weekend?12:02
AD-N770maybe during the Barcelona's long weekend I can do something12:03
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suihkulokkiperfect :D12:03
zaheermAD-N770, i fly tonight, you coming tomorrow morning right?12:03
AD-N770yes12:03
zaheermawesome12:03
AD-N770that's the plan12:03
zaheermi have your 3 parcels :)12:03
AD-N770I've you card :)12:03
zaheermexcellent, and thomas may get an n900 too, depends if UPS gets here before i go to the airport12:04
AD-N770I'll have to wait if I'm lucky for a n900 in the long weekend12:05
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Venomrushhmm SIP calls drains the abttery quick12:14
javispedroso today I got a mp (not on tmo)... "I want to install .deb,  show me plz I'm using hyperterminal but it says it will brick my device plz"12:14
javispedroI have to wonder where he pointed hyperterminal to...12:15
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javispedrothe phone seems to be finally arriving at the hands of some fansites members and chaos is ensuing12:20
javispedrofortunately, it seems that the rants from those who didn't know what the thing was die rather quickly12:21
murrayc_Does anyone know why opengl is slow slow when using X86 and xephyr?12:21
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murrayc_s/slow slow/so slow12:21
javispedromurrayc_: because on most configurations I've tried it will just use mesa software renderer.12:21
javispedrothis includes anything nvidia propietary12:22
murrayc_I have intel graphics.12:22
javispedroin fact, I am yet to see an unmodified SDK installation be accelerated, but that's another story.12:22
murrayc_Surely if the regular desktop can use accelerated graphics then xephyr should too?12:22
chxgiven that Maemo 6 is arriving in H2 2010 isnt it cheaper/better to buy a mifi and keep the N810 for now...?12:22
javispedromurrayc_: depends on Xephyr version I guess.12:23
zaheermchx, it's cheaper to not buy, right :)12:23
Myrttichx: it's your personal choice12:23
javispedroone question I always wanted to ask is: does ANYONE get GL accelerated X86 SDK + Xephyr?12:23
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Stskeepschx: i am perfectly happy not to have to deal with a shitty phone anymore and have two seperate devices12:23
Stskeeps:P12:23
chxok, putting it in a diff way, is n900 much better than n810?12:23
zaheermi personally like maemo 512:23
zaheermchx, yes12:23
Stskeepschx: yes, in most ways12:23
chxwhat ways12:23
plr_it's almost funny how many buy this expensive device, then find out one small bug/missing feature, declare it as a dealbreaker and create their own thread for it and vent like crazy how nokia sucks because of it :)12:23
murrayc_javispedro: Me too.12:24
chxi mean, there is a commiunity project to put maemo 5 on the n810 if i reckon12:24
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Myrttichx: to a certain extent12:24
zaheermchx, the cpu, ram and 32GB of internal storage is much much better12:24
javispedromurrayc_: as for myself I use VMGL to accelerate it, you lose the blur effect (no FBOs) but it's very fast.12:24
javispedronot worth the effort unless you also want to learn about VMGL itself12:25
zaheermtv out is cool too, i used it to entertain my nephews with youtube of thomas tank engine and peppa pig12:25
zaheermit is actually half the reason i wrote zoutube :)12:25
javispedrotv out, fm radio in/out, camera, and ir are my favourite features12:25
murrayc_zaheerm: I tried it a few days ago. Good for watching trailers. Full screen would be great though.12:26
javispedrosmall screen and measly battery life are my personal "dealbreakers" :)12:26
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javispedrowell, my only dealbreaker would be ... price.12:26
javispedroc'mon DDP :)12:26
zaheermmurrayc_, thx, full screen with buttons and slider only overlayed when touched is in the pipeline12:26
javispedroanyone going on a plane soon? :)12:26
zaheermjavispedro, 19:15 is my flight...12:27
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javispedrosee you then12:27
zaheermmurrayc_, a bonus, tv out makes the video full screen on tv automatically :)12:28
murrayc_zaheerm: If you just rename it (and simplify it) to YouTube Trailers Viewer, you'll get masses of users.12:28
zaheermmurrayc_, can I use the name Youtube?12:28
murrayc_No idea.12:28
plr_zaheerm yeah great app, full screen would be nice12:29
* zaheerm wants to have fullscreen and iplayer working very soon on it12:29
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plr_iplayer?12:29
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zaheermplr_, bbc iplayer12:29
plr_oh okay12:29
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DangerMaushmm irssi crashed the first time i started it12:35
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DM_900ok irssi worked the 2nd time12:38
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javispedrosomeone used the mic as reset button? then wondered why the mic didn't work?12:43
DangerMausROFL12:43
DangerMausmust of been thinkin 77012:43
DangerMausjust return it anyways there are enough of them with busted mics12:44
ManuelSEgod bless 77012:46
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DangerMausita a good day to go get glasses12:48
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DangerMausthis thing is just tiny12:48
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mecewould moving my /usr/local/ directory to /opt/usr/local/ be a problem?12:51
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meceI so suck at linking stuff properly :/12:52
ManuelSEwho here looked at "top" playing musikc?12:52
ccookeMorning, all12:52
ManuelSEwhy is pulse audio so high cpu load?12:52
w00tthere is a thread about that on talk12:52
w00tone moment12:52
meceW00t, there is?12:52
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w00tI was speaing to ManuelSE, sorry for not being explicit12:53
andre__anybody running 1.2009.42-11 who can tell the version of nokia-maps-ui? ("dpkg -l nokia-maps-ui")12:53
meceW00t, I know. I was wondering about the same thing a while back12:53
ManuelSEwhat is the right way12:53
w00tah, hmm12:53
w00tManuelSE: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579412:53
povbot`Bug 5794: pulseaudio: resampling 44k1hz mp3 to 48khz (sink) consumes too much cpu12:53
ManuelSEwhat about eq and speaker protection?12:54
meceandre__,  nokia-maps-ui  0.1.0-22+0m512:54
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w00t^ see that report12:54
andre__mece, thanks a lot!12:54
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* RST38h yawns12:55
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RST38hDo I understand it correctly that DDP is not gonna deliver anything until 2010?12:56
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javispedroRST38h: yep12:57
javispedrolate 2010 actually12:57
javispedroand what they're going to deliver is notifications that our orders have been cancelled because they no longer manufacture the n90012:57
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* javispedro cries12:58
mece??12:58
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Stskeepsjavispedro: ..wtf? :P12:59
DangerMauswhat place is DDP?12:59
rangejavispedro: But you can probably apply for a 6 device, then.12:59
meceDark and Dangerous Place?12:59
meceoh Developer Device Program12:59
javispedroDDP is on the North Pole, near santa's home12:59
zaheermjavispedro, i think they may be waiting for loans from the amsterdam summit to be returned ;)13:00
Arkenoiactually i miss "call sender" function in SMS/IM. it is much more easy to use than "go to contacts - select recent - call"13:00
zaheermyes13:00
meceyeah, that's actually something I use a lot on my old phone..13:01
zaheermand also in call log, when you select the contact it asks you which of their numbers to call13:01
plr_Arkenoi: yeah that would be nice13:01
zaheermrather than calling the one that actually called you13:01
javispedrorange: "when is my harmattan device going to ship?"13:01
zaheermjavispedro, check with t.m.o shipping threads ;)13:01
rangejavispedro: Late 2011, I guess?13:02
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lardmanmorning13:03
lardmanis the autobuilder broken for x86?13:03
javispedro2011: "when is my inverna(harmattan+1 ;)) device going to ship?" 2012: "when is my harmattan+2 device going to ship?" until you die13:03
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RST38hjavispedro: The moment N900 falls below $450 in the US, I am cancelling DDP order.13:06
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RST38hNot worth it.13:06
DM_900how to switch channels in irssi on the n900?13:07
javispedroI still _hope_ they will ship before christmas13:07
Stskeepsi use ctrl-a and such13:07
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RST38hjavispedro: Sounds more and more unrealistic with every day13:07
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sulxesc+number ?13:07
javispedroI think that enough people will have returned defective N900s by then13:07
javispedroso they can send those to us :)13:07
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DangerMausthnx '13:08
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DangerMaushmm13:09
DangerMausok the esc-# works13:10
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sgbirchHow do you cut and paste on the n900 .. (from the note field in the address book)?13:10
Stskeepsctrl-c?13:10
meceIf I move my /usr/local to opt, should it be hard or soft linked?13:10
Stskeepshard is only on same fs13:11
mecek13:11
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chxyou cant hardlink a dir13:11
mecechx, ahyesh.. that makes sense.13:11
jrochalizardo, hi13:12
chxanother option is mount --bind13:12
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jrochalizardo, I tried your suggestion for the Debian package, it didn't work13:12
jrochaI still get the full paths to python2.313:12
jrochausing CDBS13:12
meceso basically the /opt -> /home/opt is a regular ln -s /home/opt /opt ?13:12
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ManuelSEare the serial pins under batterty ttl safe?  can i hook up a debounced switch?13:21
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Shapeshiftermeh. If only nokia had made even less advertisment. none at all. or even ads where they say "you should not buy this device". Then hundrets of N900s wouldn't have been wasted on all all the nokia fanboys who buy anything with NOKIA written on it. And _I_ would have one by now.13:22
ManuelSEwould like 2 binary inputs for a user mod13:22
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ManuelSEit is the right stage to begin having fans13:23
andre__garr. Realising that -002 and -003 suffixes in version numbers DO have a meaning (US resp. MiddleEast variants)13:23
Ceron^lol friends n900 lasts only for 7-8 hours on 3g13:23
jrochalizardo, I think the only way is to use the env vars to override to ignore the python in /usr/bin13:23
ManuelSEkonttori had some hardware mod kit13:23
Ceron^aint that kinda fial13:23
Ceron^failk13:23
ManuelSEi iave it13:23
lardmanCeron^: what's it doing during that time?13:23
Ceron^lardman: irsssi13:24
Ceron^thats all :P13:24
lardmanwell that's quite a bit13:24
Ceron^lol less than surfing13:24
lardmando you have a laptop?13:24
ManuelSEi got 10 hours irssi and light surfing and light mp313:24
lardmanwould that last 7-8 hours on irrisi?13:24
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ManuelSEwith wifi ahnd no sikm13:24
Ceron^i dont compare laptop to n90013:25
Ceron^i compare n900 to a phone13:25
ManuelSEi compare n900 to n81013:25
ManuelSEhehe13:25
ManuelSEweirdo13:25
lardmann810 can last that long with wifi on?13:25
ManuelSEmmm max i got was 8 hrs13:26
ManuelSEusing it13:26
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ManuelSEthis is great performance for power ceron13:26
tigertcompare the use13:26
ManuelSEtrust us13:26
tigertweb browsing and stuff is more like laptop13:26
ManuelSEnot good, great13:26
tigertphone in pocket = phone13:27
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ManuelSEmhm13:28
zaheermi treat it as a phone13:28
chxthe problem with irssi is that you have 3g data moving all the time...13:28
chxno matter how little -- there is data13:28
ManuelSEtigert are you working on anything maemo atm?13:28
chxneeds to communicate with the server all the time13:29
chxweb browsing is actually lighter than irc13:29
Myrttichx: that's why you detach from screen when you're not really using it13:30
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ManuelSEi dont like that much radio energy near brain13:30
chxright but Ceron^ was complaining about the battery time when ircing13:30
chxand i tried to explain13:30
ManuelSEcan we cut power to cell radio in n900?13:30
Myrttiif you run the client on the device, it doesn't matter what client you're using13:30
ManuelSEall power13:30
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MyrttiManuelSE: use a handsfree13:31
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StskeepsMyrtti: not a bad idea.. something to attach/detach based on device stae13:31
Myrttiand live next to a cell mast13:31
ManuelSEcan we cut power to cell radio in n900?13:31
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meceManuelSE, there's offline mode13:31
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ManuelSEthank you for the attempt to answer :)13:32
Myrttithe closer you live to a cell mast, the less energy is needed for the signal to be strong13:32
chxgreat so the solution to cut radiaton from your phone is to move next to a cell mast13:32
chxthat *surely* cuts your radiation exposure :P13:33
Myrttithat's why all the schools actually *should* have a cell mast next to them, since we can't take achieved technological achievements from the kids, but we can limit the exposure13:33
ManuelSEand is this n900 a device that can be turned on remotelym to spy on me unless i cut power traces to cell radio?13:33
MyrttiManuelSE: ...13:33
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ManuelSEthank you for the attempt to answer :P13:34
MyrttiManuelSE: in most countries it's required by law that the cell phone location must be traceable in some way13:34
Myrttior whatever it was13:34
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ManuelSEwothout sim card?13:34
viggiObvious troll.13:34
Myrttiviggi: I'm starting to suspect the same13:34
chxManuelSE: if you want to be untracable then ditch all electronics and civilization and move into some vast forest (Canada is a good place) and do not get in touch with civilization13:35
MyrttiManuelSE: atleast in finland it's possible to call national emergency number without one13:35
ManuelSEi have seen it on the news13:35
Myrttichx: yeah, finland isn't really an option13:35
ManuelSEthen we investigate this, thank you13:35
ManuelSEto see if n900s are spuying on users13:35
chxMyrtti: finland also has nice forests.13:35
w00tn900 n900 n900 n90013:35
* w00t celebrates13:36
tigert:)13:36
chxBut Siberia and Canada is better for this.13:36
Myrttichx: and cell coverage almost throughout the country13:36
chxMyrtti: then defnitely Siberia or Canada , you wont have cell coverage in the tundra for sure :D13:36
* Stskeeps steals w00t's n90013:37
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w00tStskeeps: I will defend this with my life13:37
w00tso I don't think so13:37
DangerMausand another gets thairs13:37
ManuelSEw00t are you unboxing:?13:37
* lcukn900 is gonna get on first rainyplane13:37
MyrttiManuelSE: you do realise that *all* phones are traceable to a location by the operator?13:38
DangerMausheh been loking for pouches and such for it .. looking at digicam pouches13:38
w00tManuelSE: did a few minutes ago, yes13:38
ManuelSEmyrtti - not when off13:38
jebbajeb1OMFG my amazon order is finally shipping.  Nov 4th order.13:38
MyrttiManuelSE: well neither is N900 when it's off, not surprisingly13:38
ManuelSEdo not waste time if you do not know the answer myrtti13:38
* tigert has one backpack for barcelona13:39
DangerMausjebbajeb1, thought you already had one?13:39
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tigerta few shirts, underwear and toothbrush and 2 N900s for some lucky ones quim has had in mind13:39
lcukn900tigert only 113:39
tigertplus laptop and logitech mouse :)13:39
lcukn9002!13:39
lcukn900i have 1.99 n900s13:39
ManuelSEhappym day  w00t!13:39
w00ttell me about it13:40
w00ti'm overjoyed13:40
* w00t connects wifi13:40
ManuelSEcan we order replacement battery covers13:40
ManuelSEi want 213:40
jebbajeb1DangerMaus: I do. I got that one off mercardolibre (ebay argentina) waay too expensive tho13:40
chxare there spare styluses this time?13:40
jebbajeb1how can i call myself with just 1?  ;)13:40
DangerMausi want a bakc cover i just know im gonna break the kickstand13:40
w00thaha13:41
w00tI expect I will too13:41
ManuelSEw00t go back and forth to N810 to compare feel.  Impressions?13:41
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DangerMausouch jebbajeb113:41
w00tManuelSE: I don't have any older maemo devices unfortunately >.>13:41
lcukn900pretend13:42
DangerMaushah13:42
lcukn900i dont like the rain13:43
tigertaSIMULAtor: ping?13:43
ManuelSEi think this is a classic design13:43
DM_900:)13:43
w00tsmoother feel, quicker boot, and it's black.13:43
* w00t enjoyed complete BS making there13:43
w00t:P13:43
ManuelSEafter using constantly.  love at first sight.  i knew she was right.13:43
lizardojrocha: I forgot to tell you that first solution only worked for earlier CDBS releases :(13:43
jrochalizardo, ok, no problem13:44
lizardojrocha: that ' s why I came up with the second solution13:44
Myrttilcukn900: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4155207694/13:44
* w00t figures out how to set skype up.13:44
jrochalizardo, so, is this normal? does this happen in a fresh installed system? (because it is a pain)13:44
jrochalizardo, I have a new project that I delayed the release because of it :P13:44
lcukn900damn wish irc would show photos inline13:44
DM_900ManuelSE: totaly even if the iphone ppl call it a preegant guppy13:44
suihkulokkiwhat a lovely neighborhood13:44
lizardojrocha: yes, it is normal, something we could not avoid because scratchbox uses python for its internal toolss13:45
lizardojrocha: the problem has been there since first PyMaemo releaes in 2005 , I think :(13:46
lcukn900myrtti what a lovely scene13:46
Blasthello guys... wondering about the N900 Usb Host Mode... did you find any bluetooth - USB host?13:46
Myrttilast two weeks have been shitty anyway, nice to have a bit of change13:46
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DM_900hmmm cantnhave xterm and irssi not good13:47
SpeedEvilmeaning to tru to get it working13:47
DangerMausas in a seperate xterm from the irssi one13:47
lcukn900whats host mode for13:47
SpeedEvillcuk: plugging stuff in13:47
ManuelSEgreat question blast13:47
lcukn900are ppl just wanting usb wifi13:47
SpeedEvillcuk: so you can plug in a USB missile launcher.13:47
SpeedEvillcuk; (probably with external power supply)13:47
ManuelSEusb pendrives13:48
lcukn900speedevil' icbm over irc is the new hot13:48
SpeedEvilOr webcam, or ethernet nIC, or ...13:48
ManuelSEdigicams13:48
SpeedEvilyeah13:48
DM_900hmm we got screen ?13:48
ManuelSEcoffee  heater's13:48
lcukn900the bloody n900 IS a digicam13:48
SpeedEvillcukn900: it's a very bad one13:48
ManuelSEfrom other cams13:48
ManuelSEto gimp them13:48
SpeedEvillcukn900: compared to a proper even slightly better than bargain basement camera.13:49
StskeepsSpeedEvil: did you remember to set resolution properly? :P13:49
lcukn9005mpix and 32gb onboard wireless shitty one yeah13:49
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SpeedEvilStskeeps: yes. 5MP looks like ~3MP at best. More like 2 in reality.13:49
ManuelSEthe microscopic cam in n900 does not compete with much larger cameras13:49
SpeedEvilno optical zoom, no stabilisation, ...13:49
ManuelSEit can not13:49
lcukn900manuel no1 is denying that13:49
SpeedEvilYou can actually in principle upgrade the cam.13:50
SpeedEvil(the cam is socketed)13:50
lcukn900but those wrk without usb13:50
DangerMausbetter than my stand alone 4mp sofar13:50
DangerMausif nothings moving13:50
SpeedEvilSo in principle, you could have a replacement back, with a 12MP DSLR :)13:50
ManuelSEit is good enough for me to not regret not taking camera13:50
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Blast...how about something like that? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/16/belkin_unveils_wifi_usb_hub/13:50
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Blastwow, a split ;)13:50
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mecewtf was that?13:51
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Stskeepsa netsplit13:51
SpeedEvilwusb is not standard wireless13:51
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BlastSpeedEvil, = unusable?13:51
aSIMULAtorthis server sucks13:51
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lizardodamn freenode servers :)13:51
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SpeedEvilBlast: you absolutely can't use wireless USB with standard 802.11* hardware13:52
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SpeedEvil(well, you could have a wusb 802.11* network card, but apart from that)13:52
timelysHello world13:52
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Stskeepshello timelys13:52
DangerMausmanu yeah13:53
DangerMauserr13:53
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DangerMausher christel trip over something again13:53
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lardmanhmm, was the vote for your favourite character, string supposed to look like this I wonder?: "$ % & ( ) < = > \ _ | ~ £ €"13:54
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lardmantha tlast block looks like a comma to me13:54
SpeedEvilI'm not voting - simply as it's an insane question on its face.13:55
SpeedEvilWhat the hell does it mean.13:55
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SpeedEvillardman: it's a euro13:55
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lizardojrocha: I was saying that the FAQ only covers the more generic "use python2.5 instead of just python" suggestion13:55
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lizardojrocha: the packaging trick is not documented there (yet)13:55
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lardmanSpeedEvil: ah I see, pointless char ;)13:56
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timelysDanger, any other comments on the clock?13:56
lizardojrocha: just because I made it not long ago :)13:56
lizardojrocha: anyway, I'll update the FAQ accordingly13:56
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mececan one disable these enter and exit room messages somehow, or is it up to the client?13:56
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SpeedEvilmece: up to client13:56
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timelys /ignore * join part13:57
timelysRoughly13:57
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lcukn900thats per session isnt it13:57
lcukn900or forever more?13:58
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frals_depends on the client ;)13:58
timelysSome clients have a conference mode...13:58
lcukn900yeah irc clients are finnicky13:58
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frals_some ircds got delayed mode which doesnt show join/parts until the user speaks, dunno bout freenode13:58
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lcukn900thats neat13:59
timelysLcuk, test my map data?13:59
lcukn900no13:59
lcukn900im boarding plane in 5min13:59
frals_:D13:59
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timelysTo bcn?13:59
lcukn900frals will tho13:59
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lcukn900if he has device14:00
lcukn900yeah14:00
aSIMULAtorlcuk our flight is delayed14:00
lcukn900via amsterdam14:00
aSIMULAtorby 3 hrs14:00
frals_if i had a device i would... but alas, no :(14:00
timelysSay hello14:00
lcukn900o-O14:00
lcukn900will do dude14:00
frals_"Marketing at Stockholm Developer Day by Swedish magazine Mobil in Summit Conference Centre."14:00
lcukn900asim what is this nonsense14:00
frals_wonder where this is...14:00
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lcukn900tell14:01
timelysAsimulator, so you have time for the clock :)14:01
mecetimelys, I have a device here, what is it you need?14:01
lcukn900-tell14:01
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lcukn900w00t has one finally errrrrr w00t lol14:02
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zaheermlcukn900, see you in bcn tomorrow morning14:02
lcukn900indeed14:02
w00tlcukn900: you have *no* idea how applicable my nick is right now14:02
frals_nice, at this stockholm dev day you got the chance to win a n900... if you develop a symbian app14:02
lcukn900mmmm curious14:03
lcukn900dev for symbian get n900 cant use app?14:03
zaheermcan port app ;)14:03
frals_yeah, makes sense right14:03
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Stskeepsfrals_: trick is to use Qt.14:03
Stskeeps:P14:03
frals_yeah14:03
frals_read the schedule and it has "15.15-16.00 Cross publishing on Maemo, Symbian, Android, Widows Mobile and Java14:03
frals_QT Development for Maemo and Symbian14:03
frals_Monosync Cross Publishing14:03
frals_ops, sorry for multiline paste14:04
zaheermthat's like saying use c++ :)14:04
lcukn900then its not a sym bian app14:04
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zaheermwriting a normal qt app and recompiling won't fix it automagically for maemo14:04
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frals_shame ive not seen a single piece of information about this until today, they even had student discount for attending :(14:04
lardmanXEP-0080 support: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35787 what are your thoughts people?14:04
lcukn900i curse the lack of sketching here i want to gesticulate with a little drawing of confus man14:05
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lcukn900zaheerm14:05
zaheermlcukn900, ? :)14:05
lcukn900its ok i am simply speechless lol14:06
lardmanis your sketching irc standalone?14:06
lcukn900yesh and not working yet14:06
zaheermi think everyone but nokia/qt marketing know qt is not a magic bullet14:06
lcukn900QMagicBullet14:07
lcukn900nice name for an app14:07
timelysYou forgot Nokia upper management :-)14:07
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lcukn900QMagicBulletNokiaUpperManagement14:07
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lcukn900it doesnt sound as good tho14:08
zaheermlardman, it was discussed in telepathy talk at summit14:08
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lardmanzaheerm: I don;t seem to remember the outcome, do you?14:08
zaheermlardman, yes we can do it but virtually no jabber servers support it14:08
lardmansomething like Google's servers don't support it so it probably won't work for most people, etc14:08
lardmansome do though: http://coccinella.im/servers/servers_by_pubsub_pep.html14:09
lardmanseems a shame not to have it14:10
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zaheermi think they should implement it anyway14:10
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zaheermRobot101 may be able to chime in14:10
lardmanlikewise14:10
lardmanthough it would be good to hook into Latitude too, as that's what most mobiles use these days14:10
* lcukn900 waves at rob14:10
Stskeeps~wifi-psm14:11
infobothmm... wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM)14:11
w00tanyone else experienced connectivity (specifically wifi) difficulties in relation to usb use? (long shot, but it seems to be possibly related.. testing again now)14:11
Stskeepsw00t: read the page above14:12
w00tStskeeps: will do, but i'm sceptical about psm14:12
Stskeepstry to disable power saving and see if it works :P14:12
w00tboth times it's happened when i plugged usb in14:12
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lcukn900infinite 5minss14:12
Stskeepsw00t: psm values are adjusted depending on device activity14:12
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w00trebooted now, no usb, trying to load a page.. and.. looking like complete and utter fail still, so maybe you're right14:13
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* w00t tries psm14:13
lcukn900i read that as "w00t tries pron"14:14
lcukn900i need eyetest14:14
lardmanyou know what they say about too much pron14:14
lardman;)14:14
w00tpower saving is off, going to test again14:14
lcukn900heh14:15
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andre__hmm, I always mix up psm with pms.14:15
w00theh14:15
w00tpower saving off, it loaded14:15
w00tlet's try on, but not max14:15
lcukn900i had to get my stickout in the airport14:15
lcukn900grrr at xchat14:15
w00tStskeeps: are there lists of which routers have issues anywhere? might be wise to add this one if so14:15
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w00tstill seems to work with it to on but not max14:17
Stskeepsandre__: so you think your gf has power management issues?14:17
Corsacw00t: on the end of the wiki page14:17
w00tCorsac: doj, i'm blind14:17
w00t*doh14:17
Corsacbut there are only two at that time (and I just added the second so...)14:17
w00tthanks14:17
andre__Stskeeps: not anymore since I've installed the new version. battery life is also better, she's up two hours longer in the evening14:17
Stskeepshehe14:18
lcukn900boarding14:20
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frals_thats some long 5minutes lcuk :D14:20
Stskeepsfinnair?14:20
Stskeeps:P14:20
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lcukn900ok will cyas later14:22
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thomasvshow long does it take after registering on garage to be able to register on maemo.org for barcelona long weekend ?14:23
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thomasvsit's obviously longer than a few minutes, but ...14:23
zaheermthomasvs, give it an hour...14:23
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wazdhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/nokia-offers-sneak-peak-at-improved-symbian-user-experience/14:26
wazdwhy do they have that boring 3-yo kid photoshop devices for presentations14:27
RST38hwazd: this does look like slightly rehashed S60e5 though14:28
arachnist"improved" and "symbian" in one sentence? :P14:28
ShadowJKI know how to improve symbian14:28
ShadowJKit involves napalm14:28
wazdI've made my e900 in like 1.5 hours and it definitely looks more reallistic14:28
wazdRST38h: you mean "boring" :)14:29
ShadowJKe900 was awesome :)14:29
RST38hwazd: well, dunno, I would go with "utilitarian" :)14:30
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wazdShadowJK: well, not as good as it can be, but I've no 3d modelling skills so :)14:30
wazdRST38h: they want to make a UI for 2010 that already existed in 200714:30
wazdRST38h: that's kinda boring14:31
ShadowJKyou need to come up with a "N930" ;-)14:31
Stskeepsnaah. N114:31
arachnisthmm14:31
Stskeepsor does that exist already..14:32
Corsacn1k?14:32
arachnistxchat on n900 has no [tab] :/14:32
ShadowJKWasn't that the chinese thingy..14:32
ShadowJKarachnist, does ctrl-i work?14:32
wazdShadowJK: the only things that I need to come up with are some more hands for my body :)14:32
arachnisthmm14:32
arachnistshadowjk: doesn't seem se14:33
arachnistso*14:33
ShadowJKoh well :/14:33
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ShadowJKnick complete is a configurable shortcut in xchat...14:34
ShadowJKbut the preferences don't work on n90014:34
arachnistyeah, it crashed for me after exiting them14:34
arachnisti could just edit the config with vim, but oh well14:35
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Robot101lardman: the location support is there in the backend, yes14:35
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Robot101you gave me a nice idea for an enhancement bug though :)14:36
lardmanRobot101: and currently on the device?14:36
Robot101yes on the device, nothing sets it though14:36
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lardmanoh right :)14:36
* Stskeeps wonders why a msn authorisation request's msn addy ended up changing my MSN scren name14:36
lardmanRobot101: what's your enhancement bug #?14:37
Robot101I didn't file anything14:37
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zaheermyet..14:37
lardmanwhat was the idea then?14:38
lardmanpromise I won't steal it to get an orange t-shirt :)14:38
Robot101that the built-in thing could also publish your location via pep14:38
Robot101should be only a few lines to change/add14:38
lardmanPersonal Eventing Protocol ?14:39
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Robot101pep is the general mechanism used by stuff like xep-008014:42
lardmanok14:42
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lardmanso why not just use the xep-0080 stuff?14:44
lardmanor are you talking about how to display that?14:44
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Robot101I'm saying the device should set it if your server supports it14:46
lardmanah ok14:47
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lardmansounds good to me :)14:47
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Robot101that at least lets someone plug in a nice ui at the other end14:47
lardmanindeed14:47
Robot101but, you can probably find an api on the device which takes location strings and gives you lat/long too14:48
arachnistand it seems like url handler seems to crash xchat14:48
lardmanthe other thing that would be nice is fixing the current getlocation method for the text data14:48
Robot101the presence ui uses the reverse feature14:48
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lardmanRobot101: no, whatever the presence ui uses seems to be closed14:48
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Robot101that doesn't mean you can't figure out how to use it... :P14:49
lardmantrue, but I do have better things to be doing than reverse engineering random binaries14:49
Robot101well, I can't reverse engineer it, I've got the source14:50
lardmanI settled on using geonames14:50
Robot101I'll see if we can get a patch in to set the xep0080 stuff, but apparently the relevant code is hairy14:51
lardmaniirc osso_abook_presence_get_location_string() is broken14:51
lardmanand I've also noticed that no matter what accuracy I ask for, I always get a town name, nothing more precise14:51
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lardmanin the display that is14:51
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lardmanso at this point I've sort of stopped work on my Emerillon plugin as it's not really going to be very useful anyway14:54
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sivanghi15:06
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lizardojrocha: I made a few updates to the FAQ: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/faq.html  , do you think know the information is enough to handle the "use python2.5" kind of issues ?15:07
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lizardos/know/now/15:07
infobotlizardo meant: jrocha: I made a few updates to the FAQ: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/faq.html  , do you think now the information is enough to handle the "use python2.5" kind of issues ?15:08
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pyhimysWhere are the sharing accounts' information stored? ~/.sharing ?15:14
pyhimysI'm having trouble setting up the pixelpipe account.15:15
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pyhimysno, wasn't theer15:17
pyhimyss/er/re/15:17
infobotpyhimys meant: no, wasn't there15:17
jrochalizardo, I was having lunch15:18
jrochalizardo, I'll have a coffee now and when I come back I can take a look and give you my opinion15:18
lizardojrocha: sure , take your time ;)15:19
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jrochalizardo, back15:36
jrochalizardo, about the FAQ, it is obviously much better than before ;)15:37
jrochalizardo, but maybe instead of exporting the vars, one should call them only relative to the command15:37
jrochaso we don't screw up eventual further operations the user might do with SB15:38
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Hoxzer_Anybody here has N900 ?15:43
Stskeepsmany15:43
yannjyep15:43
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Hoxzer_:) Cool. yannj: Have you tried any bash scripts on it ?15:43
esaym153howdy. Anyone have an extra micro sd to mini sd adaptor that I can have? lol15:43
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esaym153I though the nokia took micro so that is what I bought15:44
yannjyes, but the default shell isn't bash15:44
Flandrywhy is that anyway15:44
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Hoxzer_yannj: Can it be changed?15:44
Flandryand how much does it differ15:44
yannjHoxzer_: don't know, but you can install bash15:44
Hoxzer_:) Cool. Becasue I have noticed that many of my scripts only work with bash. o-O15:45
Hoxzer_Second question. yannj: is X11 forward supported ?15:45
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lizardojrocha: the problem with not exporting the vars is for those who use CDBS, you don't have the commands explicitely on debian/rules :/15:45
jrochaah frak!15:46
tigertFlandry: the shell is busybox (ash)15:46
jrochalizardo, fair enough :)15:46
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lizardojrocha: that's why I put the "if you have problems , ask on the list" so we handle the issues case by case15:46
tigertfor size reasons15:46
StskeepsHoxzer: if your scripts depend on bash, use #!/bin/bash15:46
jrochalizardo, ok, perfect then15:46
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sgbirchDoes anyone know if Nokia is going to add msn to the messaging clients on the n900?15:46
lizardojaem: I know it sucks to not have a universal solution :(15:46
lizardojrocha: ^15:46
Stskeepssgbirch: there's telepathy-butterfly. no need for nokia to do it15:46
Stskeeps:P15:46
HoxzerStskeeps: yeah yeah. I know15:47
lizardo(damn word completion)15:47
tKMFDMsgbirch, install telepathy-haze from extras15:47
sgbirchStskeeps: tell me more (my daughter uses MSN, cant get her off)15:47
Stskeepsor -haze15:47
yannjHoxzer : X11 forwarding... I don't know15:47
sgbirchTWO?? wow, which is better?15:47
tKMFDMsgbirch, just load up your downloadable apps list when extras repo enabled and grab telepathy15:48
tKMFDMit will be in the list15:48
yannjHoxzer : you may try via SSH15:48
sgbirchtKMFDM: did I mention I LOVE this thing.  Still cant believe how good it is15:49
Hoxzeryannj: well. X11 forwarding is usually done via ssh. And I don't have n900 so I can't try it15:50
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yannjdid you try using SDK15:50
yannj?15:50
Hoxzer:\ haven't installed it. Is there emulator identical to the N900 ?15:50
Flandryyeah i'm not sure the sdk is going to help you answer that one15:51
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zaheermkalikiana, ping15:51
yannjflandry : if you run SSH on the sdk, you can try X11 forwarding , right?15:51
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Hoxzeryannj: Have you tried to compile anything for n900, that wasn't orginally intended for mobile use15:51
Hoxzer?15:52
yannjHoxzer : I am trying to run pptp_client15:52
Hoxzer:-)15:52
yannjHoxzer : I just compile the kernel module at this time15:52
Flandryyannj: sure, i'm just saying that i don't know if that will really answer the question of whether the N900 can do it15:52
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Flandrythe SDK is an imperfect replication of an N900 by design15:53
yannjFlandry, Hoxzer : ok let me try the X11 forwarding15:53
Hoxzer^_^ cool15:53
sgbirchtKMFDM: I cant see it from the apt manager!  But apt-cache tells me it is there15:53
Stskeepssgbirch: there's a telepathy extra somehing15:54
tKMFDMsgbirch, do you have the extras-repo enabled?15:54
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sgbirchtKMFDM: sure .. and extras-testing15:54
tKMFDMyou should be able to install it via apt-get as well if you have gainroot installed15:54
Flandrysgbirch: use apt-get. It's so much easier than HAM15:55
Flandryif you're into debian anyway15:55
tKMFDMyeah i pretty much exclusively use apt-get15:55
sgbirchFlandry: yes ... I prefer apt-get, but its good to see what the millions of Linux noobs will experience15:55
Flandry:)15:56
sgbirchFlandry: I am thinking there will be a flood, it is going to be be very interesting15:56
HoxzerOnly sad thing about N900 is the small display15:56
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Flandryi submitted a patch to make the description flow in the window instead of looking all unix-y like :P15:56
yannjsmall?15:56
SpeedEvilHoxzer: yeah. I want one with a 35" display.15:56
Flandrylol15:57
HoxzerWell, I want something that can just and just fit the pocket15:57
|R35" is sooooo 200515:57
|R:P15:57
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Flandrymy SDK display is 40" :D15:57
rrr__I hate triangles they are so mean!15:57
SpeedEvilHoxzer: yeah - personally - boosting the height and width by about 20% would be about perfect for me15:57
sgbirchHoxzer: seems ok to me. When I am at my desk I use vnc to pop the N900 on my desk15:58
SpeedEvil(of the whole device)15:58
Flandryrrr__: you should really look out for the lines then. Sharp and temperamental15:58
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sgbirchwhich is more popular -hayes or -salut?15:58
sgbirchhaze*15:59
Stskeepssalut or something else15:59
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rrr__maybe the quads are friendlier!16:00
Hoxzersgbirch: :/ I believe that NX would be faster16:01
sgbirchHoxzer: NX?16:01
HoxzerNot sure it will work on N900 though. :)16:01
Hoxzersgbirch: nomachine16:01
sgbirchHoxzer: k16:01
HoxzerI haven't tried to connect to the physical dekstop with it though. Dunno if it is even possible O_o16:01
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yannjHoxzer : I don't make it works at this time (X11)16:03
Hoxzeryannj: :( Awww16:03
Flandryhmm16:04
Flandrythanks for trying16:04
yannjbut I 'm running the ssh default config16:04
HoxzerI was so expecting to have Maple running on my N90016:04
yannjI'll check16:04
Hoxzerwould be teh ultimate calculator16:04
* Flandry has bad memories of maple assignments in ODEs class16:04
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Hoxzer:\ Personally I rarely even use a pocket calculator as it is never allowed on math exams16:05
Hoxzerso it is either maple or matlab for me :)16:06
javispedroso, use gnu octave (matlab)16:06
Flandryi use my current dumb phone all the time in the lab16:06
lardman|homejavispedro: I was going to build that the other day16:06
Flandryoctave would be cool16:07
lardman|homebut thought I'd do Qalculate! first16:07
lardman|homebut got stuck working out how to add hildon-1 to the Makefile.am16:07
StskeepsPKG_CONFIG?16:07
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lardman|homewasn't one of those in there16:07
javispedroyou'd have to add it to configure.ac16:08
lardman|homeah, ok16:08
javispedro(or so I think)16:08
lardman|homeah well perhaps at the weekend if I get time16:08
lardman|homethough cln failed to build for some reason16:08
lardman|homeso perhaps I should just get on with octave16:08
javispedroI think octave will be harder16:08
javispedroiiirc due to the sheer number of deps16:09
lardman|homewell I'll remove most of the ones Debian has in there16:09
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Flandryyeah i expect that to be a maze of depends16:10
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yannjdoes someone know the name of "xterm" in maemo16:11
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javispedroosso-xterm in diablo at least16:11
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divinegodHello everybody!16:12
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Stskeepsanother dane..16:12
Stskeeps:P16:12
divinegodyeah.. Got my phone yesterday.. It's really nice.16:12
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divinegodthough I think i might have b0rked it just a bit.. Hermes is throwing a tantrum saying that it cannot write mode P as JPEG.16:13
javispedrohm... so, when connecting the N900 to a usb host does it show a dialog where the user can choose between mass storage / pc suite modes?16:14
javispedrowhat if that does not appear?16:14
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timelysYou're in trouble16:15
yannjwell I am not able to x11 forward... perhaps due cause of my client (xming)16:15
javispedroah, interesting.16:15
HoxzerOkies ;__;16:15
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timelysIf it's smart it decide not to if it detects your emmc is in use16:16
timelysBut does it show charging?16:17
el_zilchowhen that didn't show up for me, i unplugged it, opened the keyboard and replugged it back in and the dialog showed up16:17
javispedrotimelys: seems so (this is "remote debugging" so...)16:17
sgbirchhmmm ... extras-testing no longer in hildon-application-manager. Does something remove it?16:18
lardman|homeel_zilcho: mine doesn't show up sometimes16:18
lardman|homeunplug then replug and it works16:18
el_zilchocoworker is trying to use some fancy battery charger for his r/c stuff to recharge my battery so i can try to unbrick it again :)16:18
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timelysI don't think testing is ever in by default16:18
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sgbirchtimelys: I added it before using vi, something removed it!16:19
timelysOh16:19
timelysUser error16:19
javispedrouser probably edited hildon-app-mgr.list16:20
javispedro;)16:20
timelysThe file you edited is automatically generated16:20
timelysCreate your own file16:20
sgbirchtimelys: ahhhh .. where should it go?16:20
timelysFile.list16:20
sgbirchtimelys: Got it ... thx16:20
timelysAs a sibling16:20
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timelysAny name, the extension is what counts16:21
sgbirchshould it be in /etc/apt or /etc/apt/sources.list..d16:21
javispedrothe latter one, which actually is /etc/apt/sources.list.d16:22
timelysThe latter without the typo16:22
sgbirchtimelys: :-)  thanks16:22
redeemanis there any way to check the battery status while charging, so i deduce how long theres left, on N900?16:22
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timelysNo16:22
redeemanobviously theres something, as it knows when its done16:23
fluxredeeman, I don't actually know, but in principle you could have information what the level was before charging and how long you've been charging16:23
plr_is desktop widget able to register long press apart from press16:23
flux'when it's done' could be implemented by other means16:23
redeemantrue but it seems unlikely it is16:23
redeemansince it also knows level while discharging16:24
fluxatleast it cannot measure the battery voltage (unless it does it periodically?) because that would be the same as the charging voltage16:24
lardman|homeanyone know about problems with osso_get_dbus_connection() under Diablo?16:24
timelysI believe done is a core don't dry me service16:24
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timelysErr fry16:24
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timelysT9 :-(16:24
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lardman|homeflux: the Zaurus used to charge, then measure, then charge, etc16:25
fluxcan n900 do that? disable charging in software?16:25
Flandryi doubt the criterion that the charger uses for detecting full is amenable to percentage charge time calcs16:25
fluxif so, it'd be implementable..16:25
lardman|homeI presume so, but we don't know how the hw works16:26
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lardman|homehey hrw16:26
redeemanFlandry: i suspect the charging is somewhat linear, it is on normal batteries16:26
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javispedrodepending on the battery charging->measure->charge->measure will give bogus data16:26
redeemanand i see no reason i should be able to make an educated guess if i should get some data16:26
lardman|home~curse maemo.org for being so sloooooowwwwww16:26
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo.org for being so sloooooowwwwww !16:26
PaulFertserWhat is the reason nokia didn't integrate something like modern battery gas gauge sensors in n900? They're damn cheap, used in many laptops and handy for users.16:26
jebbajeb1Uh, is there a default device lock code?16:26
PaulFertserEven openmoko freerunner has bq27000!16:27
hrwre16:27
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plr_I think a shortcut for switching between last open and open app would be useful16:27
plr_instead of having to open the dashboard and picking the right app everytime16:28
timelysNo16:28
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timelysThat'd be suprise me16:29
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timelysSurprise16:29
timelysOften chat or mail or phone or clock16:30
timelysBut not when you want them16:30
zaheermlizardo, the pygobject in maemo does it have the pygi patches in so pygi can be built?16:31
Flandrylithium cells don't have the the problem is that lithium batteries don't really have a linear voltage to charge level relationship, so it's not simply a case of "stop and check the voltage"16:31
Flandryoops :P16:32
Flandryhalf filnished the thought before i left sorry16:32
lizardozaheerm: not without recompiling pygobject, but I should warn you the me plus the guy working on GUPnP binding are working on this16:32
lizardozaheerm: I mean, I plan to get the pygi packages from Debian and make them work on fremantle16:32
zaheermlizardo, great at least you're working on it!16:33
lizardozaheerm: (in my spare time, to make it clear :)16:33
zaheermwhen do you think you'd have a pygobject + pygi package?16:33
jebbajeb1ah 12345  :)16:33
zaheermlet me know if you need a hand :)16:33
lizardozaheerm: no short term plans, it is not part of my "official" PyMaemo work (yet) :) but I should give some time to it still this week16:34
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lizardozaheerm: but the good news is that I already made PyGi work on fremantle some time ago, with a tiny patch to PyGI16:34
fiferboyQt actually built for me under ARMEL!!!16:34
Flandryreinventing the wheel are we? :D16:35
zaheermlizardo, awesome, i want to use it in combination with libgdata's soon to appear introspection for zoutube16:35
PaulFertserFlandry: non-linearity shouldn't be much of a problem, you can do more complex approximations. And i think if you prepare a separate voltage/charge table for CC charging, it'll be ok for most usecases.16:35
lizardozaheerm: I wonder whether the existing python-gdata binding (never used myself, it is not part of PyMaemo) does not serve for you?16:36
Flandryyeah sorry i didn't mean non-linear, i meant indirect16:36
Flandryie stronger than nonlinear16:36
zaheermlizardo, i like the api in libgdata better to be honest16:36
Flandryat 4.2 V you reall have no idea what the charge level is within a large margin16:37
zaheermlizardo, currently i do xml parsing with elementtree for the atom stuff, which is ok but i want to clean that up..16:37
PaulFertserFlandry: who cares about that loosy 20% :)16:37
SpeedEvilUnless you have kept track of the battery volts - and know how long it's been at 4.2V16:37
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Flandryheh fair enough16:37
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Flandrythat's assuming an identical charge time which is impossible16:38
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SpeedEvilFlandry: nope.16:38
Flandryapproximations, but good ones16:38
PaulFertserFlandry: anyway i think suppressing charge level indication altogether is worse then giving a rough estimate.16:38
Flandryi agree16:38
SpeedEvilFlandry: the battery is slowly charged to 4.2V - in constant current mode.16:38
SpeedEvilFlandry: then it is charged for a timed period in constant voltage mode - at 4.2V16:38
Flandrytime period isn't the right way to do it16:39
PaulFertserFlandry: the fact we agree means nothing here :(16:39
SpeedEvilFlandry: the charge acceptance during this phase pretty much largely depends on battery condition and temperature16:39
lizardozaheerm: it would be nice if you could join efforts with PyGI guys then and begin writting the GIR information for GData :)16:39
SpeedEvilno - timed period, and current dropping to a limit is the right way.16:39
Flandryright16:39
lizardozaheerm: unless it already exists ?16:39
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PaulFertserThe right way would be nokia integrating bq27000 in their flagman device :| And shipping with mainline kernel. And debian preinstalled :)16:40
zaheermlizardo, philip has got it almost working on git master of libgdata16:40
SpeedEvilI've yet to find where - if any - the vattery voltage and whatever nodes are for n90016:40
SpeedEvilbattery voltage and current draw would be nice16:40
Flandryhmm there's no api at all then?16:41
lizardozaheerm: good to know :) I'm watching #pygi on irc.gimp.org BTW16:41
Flandryi thought i remembered seeing an app that measured power draw16:41
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zaheermlizardo, didn't know such a channel existed :)16:41
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SpeedEvilFlandry: I haven't done as much investigating as I would like. This week I have been mostly raking leaves.16:42
lizardozaheerm: neither am I , until two days ago :)16:42
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Flandrylots of leaves to be raked around here, too16:43
Flandrywhich is odd, since we usually have had a bit of snow fall by now16:44
zaheermlizardo, http://git.gnome.org/cgit/libgdata/commit/?id=a3ad67db38082514cc85891df305369b3ba7ed9816:44
lizardozaheerm: nice, you can get that ported to maemo5 is alrady 50% of work done :)16:45
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zaheermlizardo, already made a package :)16:45
lizardozaheerm: is it in extras-devel ?16:46
zaheermlizardo, just need to clean it up a bit before pushing it16:46
lizardozaheerm: ah ok16:46
zaheermlizardo, not yet, but will be by end of maemo long weekend bcn i think :)16:46
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zaheermlizardo, using it for a c++ app to do gcal sync with fremantle calendar16:46
lardman|homeanyone know if there's a GTK+ utility fn to open an image file and return e.g. a pixbuf?16:48
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fiferboylardman|home: There is.  Probably in gdkpixbuf, I'll look it up16:49
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lardman|homeI can look np, thanks for the pointer16:49
derfgdk_pixbuf_new_from_file16:49
lardman|homeah cool, thanks16:49
fiferboylardman|home: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk-pixbuf/unstable/gdk-pixbuf-file-loading.html16:49
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lardman|homethanks chaps16:50
hrwquestion: does Maemo5 support SyncML syncing?16:50
zaheermhrw, over usb and bluetooth i think16:51
hrwzaheerm: not over http?16:51
zaheermhrw, not over ip16:51
zaheermno16:51
hrwzaheerm: I need to sync with ScheduleWorld16:51
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zaheermhrw, you'll have to write your own backend to the calendar-backend in fremantle for one of the syncml libs around16:52
hrwzaheerm: I prefer to rather report bug for it and complain to nokia16:52
lopzhi ;=}16:52
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zaheermhrw, and wait for them to listen? :)16:53
hrwzaheerm: after playing with opensync and syncml I prefer to not touch it anymore16:53
zaheerm:)16:54
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hrwopensync is everything but usable16:54
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lardman|homeok another pixbif question, if I load some image using gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file(), I can ask the pixbuf what the data is, presumably there's a way of converting it?16:59
lardman|homeor rather a fn to do it rather than manually?16:59
lardman|homee.g. RGB -> greyscale, etc16:59
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lardman|homeah, I see only RGB is supported, so a moot point17:02
divinegoddoes extras-testing update some critical library that makes Hermes unusable? "Something went wrong: cannot write mode P as JPEG" - error17:02
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fiferboylardman|home: For greyscale you can look at gdk_pixbuf_saturate_and_pixelate17:03
fiferboyhttp://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk-pixbuf/unstable/gdk-pixbuf-util.html#gdk-pixbuf-saturate-and-pixelate17:03
lardman|homehmm, thanks17:04
lardman|homebut still in RGB form I guess17:04
fiferboylardman|home: Yes17:05
lardman|homeI need a 8bit-per-pixel buffer17:05
lardman|homeI'll have to extract the data so I'll convert it on the fly too17:05
derflardman|home: Are you just trying to load an image to pass to zbar et al.?17:05
lardman|homeyrp17:05
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lardman|homeI know zbar can accept different colour formats17:06
lardman|homewas hoping to not alter that code too much though17:06
zaheermlardman|home, use gstreamer to convert it for you17:06
lardman|homebut might be easier and quicker that way tbh17:06
lardman|homezaheerm: hmm, I'd prefer to not setup and run another gst pipeline17:06
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lardman|homepixbufs contain alpha data too do they?17:09
lardman|homeso it's RGBA?17:09
fiferboylardman|home: They don't necessarily17:09
lardman|homeah ok17:09
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lardman|homewill have to ask it then I guess17:09
fiferboyYou can set them up to, or add alpha to an RGB pixbuf17:09
Stskeepsphilosophical question: does flashing a N900 void warranty17:10
Stskeeps?17:10
* mgedmin guesses not17:10
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lcukn900no, but it might scare it. to be safve, keep your clothes on17:10
Stskeepsoi17:11
Stskeeps:P17:11
sgbirchStskeeps: I doubt it, Nokia has made the N900 geek friendly on purpose. God bless them.17:11
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lardman|homeStskeeps: depends if the fault is with the hw or sw perhaps?17:11
lcukn900stskeeps since flashing is described as a repair merhod for basicaally any device i dont see how it could.17:11
lcukn900but it might if you flash a none official fw on some devices17:11
lcukn900archos for example17:12
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* SpeedEvil wishes for ubergeek friendly.17:13
SpeedEvilI2C, 3.3V, and 1cc of space in the phone would be cool.17:13
SpeedEvilbut...17:13
lcukn900and 20percent by volume17:14
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w00ti think we just broke a record17:17
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w00tfrom brand new n900 to fucked up and reflashed in under 3 hours17:17
w00t(thanks to Stskeeps for his help)17:17
javispedroflashing voids warranty? dealbreaker!17:17
Stskeepsw00t: i broke my CMT in first attempt17:17
javispedrooops, I have no warranty either way17:17
w00tjavispedro: hahaha.17:17
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julianoliverwow.. look at all the new OMAP love in 2.6.32: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_32 !17:18
javispedroeven though I have to wonder why people reflash so much?17:18
julianoliversee 13.1. Graphics17:18
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w00tjavispedro: we screwed it up somehow17:19
SpeedEvilAre there bluetooth heartrate monitoring watches?17:23
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|RSpeedEvil: that would take you heart rate from the wrist?17:26
zaheermw00t, what did you do? :)17:26
w00tzaheerm: my better half did something weird.17:26
w00tnot exactly sure what :)17:26
zaheermw00t, and the symptoms?17:26
w00tblack screen on startup17:27
w00ti.e. unbootable, basically17:27
zaheermwow17:27
Stskeepsafter dots that is17:28
w00ti'm sure it's something stupid on our part, I think I might have a go at trying to reproduce it later17:28
zaheermdid she have root access?17:28
w00t(this really makes me wish I had a spare one to break :))17:29
w00tzaheerm: no17:29
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zaheermso that is bad, that she managed to break it17:29
w00tmy best guess is that she had it on usb17:29
w00tpowered it down17:29
Stskeepsusb charger or usb computer?17:29
w00tit rebooted sorta kinda (due to usb cable connected)17:29
w00tshe pulled the battery out17:30
w00t-> boink17:30
w00tStskeeps: usb computer17:30
Stskeepsick17:30
Stskeepsyeah, i guess that could cause it17:30
w00tyeah, now you see why i think that may be the scenario17:30
w00tthe fun i had with it on usb made me think of that17:31
SpeedEvil|R: yes17:31
Stskeepsw00t: especially due to mass storage showing up in actdead it might be a little odd17:31
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SpeedEvil|R: I'm having real problems working out how many calories random activities burn - and it would greatly help with my diet. (with some sort of tracker in the n900 too)17:32
w00tStskeeps: worth a report if I can reproduce it?17:32
Stskeepsw00t: right17:32
Stskeepsw00t: you probably need something that tries to automount it17:33
|RSpeedEvil: from what i saw / understand and sellers i've talked too, wrist measurement would be really unreliable so you need those chest strap... :/17:33
|Rtoo/to17:33
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RST38hSpeedEvil: Don't forget to sell the car too17:33
w00tStskeeps: *nod*17:33
SpeedEvilRST38h: ?17:33
RST38hSpeedEvil: Diet alone won't do it =)17:33
SpeedEvilRST38h: It will.17:34
SpeedEvilRST38h: I am ~8.5Kg down since Oct 20.17:34
SpeedEvilI'm having problems keeping it at 1Kg/week.17:34
zaheerm1kg a week is a lot17:35
RST38hWow17:35
RST38hIsn't that bad for your health to go at this rate?17:35
eMHaat first youn loose water17:35
eMHathis is not good for your health17:35
SpeedEvilRST38h: yes - I am eating 500 calories/day or so more than I was - ~1900Kc now. (before any due to excersize)17:36
SpeedEvil|R: Hmm - maybe, I hadn't considered that, possible.17:36
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* eMHa thinks is in wrong channel?17:37
javispedrothis is never the right channel17:37
SpeedEvilI was originally looking for a BT device to hook up to n90017:37
SpeedEvilso not quite17:37
Flandrylol17:37
eMHalol17:37
SpeedEvilA good integrated diet and excersize app, that understood product barcodes would be very cool.17:38
eMHai'm still waiting for my N900 :-/17:38
eMHaso i can talk about diets ;-)17:38
KlownereMHa: I just sent mine back yesterday :(17:38
eMHabt should work with e.g. your computer17:38
eMHaKlowner: shit, what happened?17:39
|RSpeedEvil: The nice thing with watch though would be constant wearability and even Caller ID hehe ;)17:39
KlownereMHa: mic was dead17:39
SpeedEvileMHa: yes - but I will be using it around the garden.17:39
SpeedEvileMHa: and accelerometer added in would be good too. (from phone)17:39
eMHaKlowner: f***, i hope mine will be good17:39
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|RSpeedEvil: there was a thread on this on t.m.o17:39
eMHaseems a lot of people have the mic problem17:39
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SpeedEvil|R: te mic you mean?17:40
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|RSpeedEvil: no the search for a heart monitor / rate / BT17:40
SpeedEvilAh17:40
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SpeedEvil|R: I couldn't really afford n900 - so I decided that to pay for it, I'd start a diet with actual planned meals. This has slashed my food bills - though I do now need new jeans at some point.17:41
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bilboed-pianyone has any details regarding where exactly the bar meetup is this evening in barcelona ?17:41
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eMHathe mic thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3507517:41
w00tis there a way to find out the % charge of the battery?17:42
|RSpeedEvil: hehe nice plan :)17:42
Stskeepsw00t: lshal17:42
w00tthe tiny icon isn't a very good indicator17:42
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Stskeepslo TomaszD17:42
TomaszDwooo17:42
eMHaw00t: possible something in /proc or /sys ?17:42
TomaszDfree wifi at mcdonalds haha17:42
|RSpeedEvil: in my case i live in Canada and so it's very hard to get beyond overpriced eBay sells :|17:42
SpeedEvileMHa: I haven't found any.17:43
w00tStskeeps: dear god that is a lot of output17:43
Stskeepsw00t: oh, | grep battery17:43
SpeedEvilw00t:17:43
w00tyeah17:43
w00tsearching for my pipe char :P17:43
StskeepsTomaszD: bcn good?17:43
TomaszDbcn?17:43
javispedrobarcelona :P17:43
Flandrylol17:43
SpeedEvilOooh - thanks Stskeeps17:43
TomaszDoh lol17:43
* Flandry hasn't seen w00t's pipe 17:44
TomaszDvery nice and warm17:44
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TomaszDnice weather17:44
eMHahelp for pip: |17:44
TomaszDhotel is nice17:44
eMHacopy&paste ;-)17:44
javispedro"hal-device bme" woorks too17:44
javispedroand no pipe required17:44
zaheermTomaszD, great17:44
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TomaszDanyone here as well?17:45
eMHaw00t: is acpi installed on the n900? if yes, try "acpi -V"17:45
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SpeedEvilno ehma17:45
zaheermTomaszD, i go to the airport in an hr17:45
SpeedEvileMHa: no ACPI at all17:45
eMHahm, bad17:45
eMHaapm?17:45
StskeepsTomaszD: freezing here in .pl17:45
Stskeeps:P17:45
javispedrono acpi no apm, what do you expect?17:45
TomaszDzaheerm you're coming? awesome17:45
jebbajebI just wrote up a bunch of notes, fwiw:  http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba17:46
eMHai expect a linux phone :-D17:46
SpeedEvilACPI is really an x86/PC thing mostly.17:46
SpeedEvilAs is APM17:46
TomaszDwhat's your real name zaheerm?17:46
zaheermTomaszD, yep i arrive same time as thp does17:46
zaheermTomaszD, Zaheer17:46
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SpeedEvil(PC in the sense of desktop hardware)17:46
eMHaSpeedEvil: ok, don't have much experience with the ARM17:46
TomaszDzaheerm ok17:46
bilboed-piTomaszD, any idea which bar we're meeting up in maremagnum ?17:46
zaheermbilboed-pi, i guess just keep check t.m.o17:46
TomaszDsee you in the evening then17:46
TomaszDbilboed-pi no idea17:46
eMHaSpeedEvil: but hopefully i'll get some experience in some days... or wekks17:46
bilboed-pizaheerm, forgot the thread17:47
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Stskeepsjebbajeb: impressive set of notes though17:48
TomaszDif anyone thinks people speak even basic english btw...17:48
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javispedro:)17:48
TomaszDlet's just say... take your phrasebook17:48
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TomaszDI've been getting by using hand motions and it serves me well17:49
StskeepsTomaszD: i borrowed zenvoid for that purpose17:49
jebbajebSpeedEvil: the Sharp Netwalker, a kind-of-similar-device, uses APM fwiw17:49
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bilboed-piTomaszD, you'll find more english-speakers in the touristic areas, don't worry too much17:49
jebbajebtake your maemo english/spanish dict!!!  oh, there is none?  Someone quick package fantasdic or something  :))))))17:50
StskeepsTomaszD: it's good to know that mcdonalds will always serve you food17:50
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TomaszDthe only two people who spoke english was the lady at the airport infopoint17:50
TomaszDand the guy in the hotel17:50
javispedrothe night shift lady also spoke english17:51
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TomaszDstskeeps yeah, names of sandwitches are in english17:51
TomaszDbut I barely managed to order fries...17:51
StskeepsTomaszD: wtf is "menu" and such not in english here..17:51
Stskeeps:P17:51
TomaszDpatates something17:51
javispedrofregides in catalan, fritas in spanish17:52
TomaszDit says patates, I can see the menu from here17:52
TomaszD:P17:52
javispedroyeah, "patates fregides" ;)17:53
TomaszDyeah17:53
javispedroliterally "fried potatoes"17:53
hashierhas anybody used the mafw yet?17:53
Klownerfrozen taters!?17:53
Klowneroh17:53
javispedroTomaszD: so you're in the shopping center near the hotel?17:53
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javispedro(don't worry for your safety, I don't plan to go there today ;) )17:54
ArlexAHi at all17:54
javispedrohiu17:54
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TomaszDjavispedro lol I don't feel any threats17:55
TomaszDjavispedro correct17:55
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TomaszDyou're sending your agents after me?17:55
javispedroagents? I'm already sending the ICBMs17:55
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TomaszDI'm not giving my n900 to anyone!17:56
TomaszDoh17:56
StskeepsTomaszD: he has one17:56
Stskeeps:P17:56
Stskeepsi think17:56
TomaszDno point in running then17:56
javispedrothe n900 should be immune to those, doesn't it?17:56
javispedroStskeeps: no17:56
Stskeepsah17:56
* RST38h releases the uranium-laden cockroaches onti TomaszD17:56
TomaszDi hope it's immune to mcdonalds grease17:56
* javispedro lookups the "N900 ICBM stress testing video"17:56
RST38hOnce they all arrive to the target, the critical mass will be exceeded and then BOOM!17:57
KlownerI wonder if there was a dim-witted assemblyline person that was jamming paperclips into the mic hole thinking it was the reset button17:57
TomaszDanyway, room 220 if anyone is looking for me17:57
TomaszDhahah17:57
javispedrohar har17:57
StskeepsKlowner: that would make sense..17:58
javispedrowi-fi on the hotel was around 40€ _per_ day?17:58
javispedroi remember reading that somewhere and it surprised me but I could be wrong17:58
TomaszDno idea, I'm afraid to ask17:58
TomaszDI'll check my mail here17:58
Stskeepsjavispedro: sounds about as rape-ish as the amsterdam one17:58
TomaszDhope nobody is manipulating the stream17:58
javispedroTomaszD: there's a brochure right on reception's desk17:59
javispedro(about paid Wi-Fi I mean)17:59
StskeepsTomaszD: time to bring out iodine17:59
sp3000a brochure? no wonder it's expensive ;)17:59
TomaszDit's probably an ssl honeypot this ap17:59
hrwhi TomaszD17:59
TomaszDbut oh well17:59
TomaszDhey hrw17:59
javispedrobrochure: a booklet of printed informational matter, like a pamphlet, often for promotional purposes. :P18:00
TomaszDI saw it on the reception desk18:00
TomaszDdidn't mention price18:00
hrwTomaszD: got better usable Polish hw keymap?18:00
TomaszDhrw no18:00
TomaszDI'm in barcelona atm18:00
hrw~curse DDP then18:00
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, DDP then !18:00
javispedro~curse DDP now18:00
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, DDP now !18:00
hrw~curse DDP again18:01
hrw:D18:01
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, DDP again !18:01
hrwday without cursing DDP is wasted day18:01
TomaszDthp around?18:02
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TomaszDalright, I'm leaving this joint before I ruin the phone with grease18:03
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TomaszDsee ya at citilab tomorrow18:03
SpeedEvil...18:03
* SpeedEvil wonders how the hell his stylus got in the washing up.18:04
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javispedrosee you18:04
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javispedroSpeedEvil: and there's only ONE stylus in the retail box now18:04
SpeedEviljavispedro: :/18:04
SpeedEviljavispedro: It's stupid18:04
javispedroi wonder if  "average number of spare stylus in retail boxes" is an indicator of the global economical crisis18:04
SpeedEviljavispedro: It will literally cost them $.08 or so.18:05
tigertwho needs a stylus anyway?18:05
hrwtigert: I do18:05
mgedmino/18:05
javispedroevery gadget I've bought was more expensive than the previous one and had less spare stylus18:05
SpeedEvilAnd I suspect that's high by a factor of several18:05
tigertstyluses are so 199918:05
* w00t notes he hasn't used the stylus in the past 4 hours of usage18:05
hrwI have 5 touchscreens in range and just one styli18:05
javispedrotigert: go buy an iphone, you steve jobs follower!18:05
w00tI forgot it even had one18:05
tigertthumb is the new stylus :)18:05
tigertjavispedro: I havent really used the stylus at all with my N90018:06
hrwtigert: you did not mentioned n900 when asked ;D18:06
tigertyou can have mine if you come to barcelona if you lost yours :)18:06
javispedroCome? I am at barcelona!18:07
* javispedro is happy to have an spare stylus now 18:07
javispedroMWAHAHA18:07
tigertwoot18:07
tigert:)18:07
tigertok, poke me then18:07
tigertunless I lose this on the way there :)18:07
Stskeepsi lost my n810 stylus in the car at some point and found it again a year later18:07
Stskeeps:P18:07
javispedroI won't allow you to give your only stylus. it's immoral.18:07
GAN900Ah, security theater.18:08
GAN900Gotta love it.18:08
javispedroand there will be more.18:08
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tigertjavispedro: i still would have two thumbs ;)18:08
tigertand they are sufficient for me18:08
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tigerthmm18:09
bilboed-pitigert, you're coming to bcn ?18:09
tigertfennec and N810 actually makes a nice combo18:09
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tigertloaned one to a friend and he is psyched18:09
tigertbilboed-pi: yea18:09
bilboed-pi\o/18:09
GAN900tigert, I still prefer resistive and the only time my stylus comes out is for Mahjong.18:10
tigertyea18:12
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tigertresistive and fingernail = teh rock18:12
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GAN900I really wish Nokia would use Stantum or something.18:12
GAN900Otherwise I'll probably be finding another platform after Maemo 6.18:13
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javispedroi'm pretty sure they'll just use capactive18:15
tigertcapacitive doesnt work with fingernails18:16
javispedrolooking at the masses, I see that even those who loathe Jobs and the iPhone somehow also dislike stylus18:16
tigertthat sucks :(18:16
tigertotherwise its nice18:16
javispedroeven though it was El Jobs who started "the war against the stylus" (a pretty stupid war IMHO)18:17
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rangeBut you have to have multitouch!!!!111118:17
* Flandry declares "the war against Jobs"18:17
tigertmultitouch to do what? pinching photos?18:18
tigert:)18:18
javispedropinching iphone users, that would be an interesting use case :)18:18
tigerthow often you really need to sdo that :)18:18
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Flandrybetter control over fart apps18:18
rangetigert: No idea. Never seen anyone do that. But by reading TMO one gets the notion that it is an absolute must.18:18
tigertyea18:19
tigertthats how managers make requirements18:19
Stskeepswhy though .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dC2qpDsgZU&feature=player_embedded18:19
tigert"must have multitouch"18:19
tigertditto for the hordes of teh internet18:19
tigert;)18:19
tigertDEALBREAKER ;)18:19
range:)18:20
Stskeepsfor next summit DEALBREAKER tshirt must be made18:20
Stskeeps:P18:20
tigertyes! =)18:20
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jebbajebgah, new vote on extra chars, but no TAB again18:20
Stskeepslo qwerty1218:20
javispedrono t-shirt! dealbreaker!18:20
qwerty12Hiya, Stskeeps18:20
FlandryMaemo: The DEALBREAKER18:20
Flandrysounds like a bad action movie18:21
StskeepsFlandry: if it caused traditional US telecom alliances to break up, i would call it a dealbreaker18:21
Flandryor professional wrestler18:21
jebbajebqwerty12: someone mentioned yesterday you would be the one to suggest how to make a phone call from the command line or a shell script or whatever.  Hints?18:22
javispedroso, someone puts a video of "drag to zoom", a feature that was already implemented in an uncountable number of palmos apps18:23
javispedroyoutube comments?18:23
javispedro"let nokia know about this, call them nokia R&D!"18:23
qwerty12jebbajeb: The dbus-send foo for bringing up the UI with a pre-defined number is in the IRC logs, somewhere. But, no, I don't know it myself18:23
GAN900tigert, I keep hearing Maemo 6 will be so multitouch dependent that they can't manage an update for the N900. I can't even begin to fathom how irritating an interface will be.18:23
jebbajebqwerty12: thx18:23
javispedroGAN900: it's been already described. imagine the whole OS being a pannable desktop, with widgets. no windows.18:24
GAN900javispedro, nothing in that description requires multi.18:24
javispedrohm.. touché.18:25
GAN900Truth be told, the whole idea sounds rather awful to me.18:25
tigertheh18:25
tbfi also would have to see this monster desktop live18:25
Flandryi agree18:25
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tbfright now i am really unconvinced18:25
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GAN900Indeed18:26
Flandrystop at step 4 while we are ahead18:26
GAN900Hehe18:26
GAN900I wish Nokia would pursue both techs.18:26
javispedrothat's what I plan to do if they keep on insisting in capacitive stuff either way18:26
GAN900(there's a big Antonov parked out on the tarmac for some reason)18:27
Flandryis Nokia aware of this sentiment?18:27
GAN900Both techs have their pros and cons.18:27
tbfi wonder if some crazy people will port maemo5 to maemo6 devices, if maemo6 should turn out to be the horror18:27
GAN900Let the customer pick.18:27
javispedrotbf: like, my inner desire to see Diablo on N900?18:27
GAN900Flandry, depends on how you define "Nokia"18:27
FiSHBoYAntonovs don't need a reason, they just look awesome and that's good enough. ;)18:27
tbfwell, but maybe the guys doing that monster desktop are just brilliant and we'll also love this stuff18:28
GAN900My bet is it comes from upper management18:28
tbfjavispedro: seriously?18:28
javispedroI have to try :)18:28
GAN900and has the approximate logic of "OMG MULTITOUCH!"18:28
tbfjavispedro: oh. just 'cause you can. that's fine.18:28
javispedroI initially though Diablo's task switching approach was more efficient18:28
tbfjavispedro: i already wondered why you'd prefer diablo from a UI pov18:28
GAN900javispedro, wait until you try Maemo 5. ;P18:28
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cehtehdoesnt anyone ever had the idea to combine capacitative and resistive technology? :)18:29
GAN900We need to rebind the camera button to something useful.18:29
GAN900cehteh, $$$18:29
Flandrycehteh: it was patented recently18:29
javispedrobut then I realized even something as stupid as switching always through exposé may be more useful that having to basically guess the window I want in the task navigator18:29
Flandryby HTC i believe18:29
cehtehah18:29
GAN900Plus complexity, durability, size and power consumption.18:29
cehtehi doubt that this will be very expensive18:29
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cehtehthe upper resistive layer can serve as capciataive layer too18:30
GAN900Really, they just need Stantum.18:30
Flandrywhat is that?18:30
GAN900Resistive multi.18:30
Flandryoh18:30
Flandrydon't see that happening18:31
javispedroI'm sure engadget will find the way to bash them.18:31
Flandryit's capacitive that's the buzz18:31
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cehtehwell actually i think resistive *is* better in a lot ways ...18:31
cehtehFlandry: yes, without much reason18:31
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cehtehthey are more sensitive .. but only to big warm wet fingers :P18:32
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Flandryso that's why us cold dry geeks prefer resistive?18:32
cehteh:)18:32
SpeedEvilresistive works with gloves on.18:33
SpeedEvil++18:33
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cehtehi prefer at least pointing with the tip of my finger18:33
Flandryi use my Zaurus with gloved hands in lab18:33
Flandryalmost every day18:33
cehtehwinter gloves .. not vinil lab gloves18:34
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Flandryhancom sheet and me, we're like that...18:34
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GAN900Yeesh, there are Droid ads all over the airport.18:37
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GAN900cehteh, yeah, I vastly prefer resistive, too, but it's really a personal issue.18:37
* GAN900 sighs.18:37
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cehtehwell both would be cool .. capacitative can do proximity sensing18:38
GAN900Another "Nokia doesn't care about consumers, so why should I waste my time" post from krisse.18:38
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Myrttiare they actually from her or from somewhere else?18:39
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Myrttiatleast greader shows a lot of All about maemo posts as hers18:39
Myrttior whatever it has been18:39
GAN900Myrtti, from her.18:40
GAN900Talk18:40
Myrttioh, right18:40
GAN900accompanied by a PM.18:40
MyrttiI never really read it :-/18:40
GAN900Good plan.18:41
Myrttiif something isn't on the community mailing list or planet maemo, I usually miss the news18:41
Flandryhehe yeah18:41
GAN900That's equivalent to saying "I never really do crack cocaine"18:41
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qwerty12GAN900: Just get Jaffa to do another Planet posting saying why $KRISSESLATESTIDEA sucks18:41
GAN900lol18:41
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MyrttiI might click an odd link from IRC now and then18:42
aSIMULAterhi gius18:42
aSIMULAterguys18:42
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Myrttithat reminds me of a bad 4chan joke18:42
Myrttimoving on18:42
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loufoqueGAN900, just tell the guy to run the community version of the software and not nokia's.18:43
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GAN900This "I°TECH X-Perience" store across from me has "Blue Tooth" accessories.18:44
javispedrokrisse did promise to "help with mer" didn't him/her?18:44
GAN900She18:44
GAN900Dunno18:44
GAN900loufoque, gal, and I'm all done working to pull her out of slumps. :P18:44
zaheermoff to airport to go bcn18:44
javispedrosee you18:45
loufoquehum, it seems Nokia is planning to release a new maemo device in second half of 2010, even though the N900 still isn't out?18:45
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Myrttiloufoque: what shrooms have you eaten?18:45
rangeIsn't out? Do I have to give it back then?18:45
loufoqueit's still only available as pre-orders.18:46
jebbajebwe're all on shrooms! you just *think* you have an n90018:46
FiSHBoYit's out, the launch is just going slightly shakey ;)18:46
loufoquei.e. it's not officially out18:46
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FiSHBoYit is officially out on nokia's own sales sites :P18:46
loufoqueI can't apply to get one from my company for example18:46
bilboed-piloufoque, it's on sale allright18:46
ManuelSEi am typing on one also18:46
FiSHBoYhehe18:46
loufoqueon the nokia online shop, it only says preorder to me18:47
bilboed-pimaybe in 3rd world countries, like the USA18:47
bilboed-pi:P18:47
ManuelSEi am typing on one also18:47
ManuelSEdepends on country i think?18:47
loufoquehttp://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/default.aspx18:47
loufoqueDo you see the big N900 pre-order image?18:47
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javispedroit is officially out.18:47
javispedroit's as out as the wii on its launch day.18:47
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javispedroor even worse.18:47
* javispedro dumps the n900 stress testing videos18:47
javispedroI think the n97' ones were much better18:47
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javispedrowithout all those fuss and show and smiles and music18:48
bilboed-piloufoque, they got out of stock again ???18:48
ManuelSEwou are making videos opf stresstesting javispedro?18:48
bilboed-piloufoque, it was working perfectly fine a few days back18:48
loufoqueit has only been available as a pre order for me for the past three months18:48
javispedroManuelSE: of course not.18:48
Stskeepsjavispedro: i think you're thinking of korbe18:49
loufoqueanyway I need it to be available from vodafone for my company to buy it for me18:49
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javispedroStskeeps: ah, true18:49
Stskeepswhat is this thread krissie posted btw?18:49
Stskeepssounds like something i should comment on18:50
loufoqueI wonder how something like the N97 compares to maemo18:50
javispedroI think it's this one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3575918:50
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Stskeepsah, nothing interesting18:51
javispedroloufoque: depending on your PoV, Maemo is either absolutely awful or Maemo is just on another level.18:51
ManuelSElofoque, it appears you are looking at n900 as a phone.  maybe think of it as a linux computer with phone instead.18:51
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ManuelSEn97 is the more phonelike device18:51
javispedroanother level up to the point you look at the rest of gadgets with disdain...18:51
loufoqueManuelSE, isn't a smartphone basically a mobile computer these days?18:51
* microlith wants his another level device... that just so happens to be able to make phonecalls18:51
greenflythe n97 and most other "smartphones" are phones trying to be computers, the n900 is a computer trying to be a phone18:51
ManuelSEthe heritage of the devices shows everywhere.18:52
FiSHBoYyeah, the N900s roots are in portable tablets, whereas the N97s roots are in phones.18:52
loufoqueit's the same processor as the iPhone and both operating systems share roots18:52
loufoquethe good thing about maemo is that's it's fairly open18:53
greenflyif you primarily use your pocket device as a phone it probably makes sense to get one that is a phone with some computer functions18:53
greenflyif you primarily use your pocket device as a mobile computer, then get one that is a mobile computer with some phone functions18:53
fluxI'm still waiting my n900, but apparently its user interface is still much more bent towards mobile phone use than, say, n800's ui was18:53
GAN900loufoque, really, it's the first realization of an open cellular device.18:53
wjt“don't forget openmoko!”18:53
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* microlith remembers openmoko and chuckles18:53
loufoqueopenmoko died in the womb18:53
GAN900wjt, I'm too lazy to type out "mainstream" on this keyboard. :P18:54
loufoquethey fired the only competent programmer they had18:54
loufoqueand were riddled with hardware bugs18:54
wjthence the “”s :þ18:54
timeless_mbpGAN900: hey18:55
timeless_mbpcan i get you to at least test the map data update? :)18:55
evohi, my usual question again: is someone using modest with gmail imap?18:55
timeless_mbp(although at this point, we vaguely have an algorithm for doing something more systematic)18:55
timeless_mbpevo: i've heard a few people say they do18:55
timeless_mbpi think if your mailbox is <20k messages it might work in the sales version of modest18:55
rangeevo: Yes.18:56
evoit is, but I have a different problem18:56
timeless_mbpi've heard rumors that you can even load a 40k message mailbox in some hypothetical future version of modest18:56
rangeOooooh!18:56
ccookemodest... is that the default mail app or another one?18:56
evorange: can you *really* delete emails? Modest say they're gone and doesn't show them, but they're still there using the webmail18:56
timeless_mbpccooke: default18:56
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timeless_mbpevo: there's a bug that explains that18:57
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ccookebecause the default one can't handle my 14,000 mail IMAP mailbox.18:57
timeless_mbpyou need to send and receive18:57
rangeevo: Ummm. Good question.18:57
rangeAh.18:57
timeless_mbproughly18:57
timeless_mbpor at least select a different folder18:57
evoI read it and run the send/receive18:57
javispedromodest 40k: in theathers 202918:57
evobut it doesn't work for me18:57
timeless_mbpbasically for "power saving reasons"18:57
javispedromind the typo.,18:57
timeless_mbpwhen you take an action, we don't always send the action to the server18:57
rangeUm. For me it doesn't even mark the mail I read as read ...18:58
timeless_mbpat least, that's the answer for marking messages as read18:58
timeless_mbpi'm not sure if that applies to deletes18:58
rangeBut I never changed folder or used "send and receive", just switched to my other mail account.18:58
timeless_mbprange: that's the explanation we got for unread. iirc it's in a public bug @ bugs.maemo.org18:58
evotimeless_mbp: I did the send/receive trick, I changed folder, I closed the app and rerun it18:58
GAN900timeless_mbp, at the airport, boarding in about 30 minutes.18:58
timeless_mbpplease note that gmail generally does *not* allow imap clients to actually *delete* messages18:58
ccooke I find modest is unstable and eats battery when I activate my imap account.18:59
timeless_mbpit just lets clients remove them from a given folder18:59
timeless_mbpccooke: i use MfE18:59
rangeHmmm. Cannot try at the moment, I'm on a WLAN which just lets http and nntp (WTF?) through :)18:59
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timeless_mbpas protocols go, i think MfE is better18:59
evotimeless_mbp: I know, but it should let you delete emails from Gmail/Trash18:59
timeless_mbp(gmail's imap support is incredibly broken)18:59
timeless_mbpevo: *shrug*18:59
ccooketimeless_mbp: gmail doesn't support MfE18:59
timeless_mbpccooke: not actually correct :)19:00
evotimeless_mbp: so I was moving them there before deleting them19:00
rangeThe other way round?19:00
timeless_mbpnow, the sales modest MfE might not work w/ gmail MfE19:00
timeless_mbpbut gmail does have support for a certain version of the protocol :o19:00
ccooketimeless_mbp: (and I don't actually use gmail for my email)19:00
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ccookemy email is on a server I control19:00
timeless_mbphttp://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13878419:00
timeless_mbphttp://arstechnica.com/software/news/2009/02/google-turns-on-exchange-for-iphone-and-windows-mobile-users.ars19:01
ccookeHowever, it's modest that actually crashes, not the server :-019:01
evorange: sorry but I didn't get if you're able to delete or not :)19:02
timeless_mbpccooke: so um, if you can collect crash reports for modest crashing19:02
timeless_mbpwe have an engineer who would like to fix bugs if core dumps were provided19:02
timeless_mbpGAN900: well, installing the .deb is fast19:03
timeless_mbpplaying with it can be done while offline :)19:03
ShadowJK"Unable to register SIM card" suddenly today, and no signal. Cycled via offline, and suddenly sim card was fine and full signal... One day we'll have the resources to create an automatic work-around AI that automaticaööy cycles via offline when thngs fail19:03
ccooketimeless_mbp: didn't notice any core dumps, but I can re-enable it this weekend. I can't really do it during the week, because it eats too much power19:03
ccooketimeless_mbp: I just stopped reading email on the device.19:03
rangeevo: I cannot try at the moment, as I cannot do IMAP right now ...19:04
timeless_mbpShadowJK: roughly19:04
timeless_mbpmy n900 decided (again) that it only likes one of my 2 sim cards19:04
rangeStupid firewall rules.19:04
timeless_mbpwhich is annoying, because it likes the one that can't dial internationally19:04
evorange: ok, thanks anyway :)19:04
ShadowJKthis was the same sim card, I didn't even reseat it. it's just cell radio + network operator bugs I'd think19:05
* ShadowJK needs to cycle all of his phones via offline/airplane mode occasionally :/19:06
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ShadowJKI tried the FM transmitter today in the car19:07
ShadowJKit doesn't switch off when charger is plugged in19:07
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GAN900Depends on the charger, I think.19:08
ShadowJKit seems that most of the signal is sucked up by the charger though19:08
GAN900I think it drops the power.19:08
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ShadowJKonly one way to find out, open a bunch of heavy pages in browser, try feed 10000 mail boxes to modest, and plug/unplug charger, listening if the transmitter reacted immediately or not19:10
StskeepsRST38h: from twitter..: ' 3c4165061ed19d8368b0bca480c9be87455463b3_full_normal19:11
Stskeepserr..19:11
Stskeepsok, no19:11
w00thha.19:12
* Stskeeps gives up and goes make coffee.19:12
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evoumm, according to http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=77657 modest is working in the right way, deleting an email from a folder just removes that label but it's still present in the "All Mail" folder; the problem is when you try to empty [Gmail]/Trash19:14
redeemanhmm,  the N900 email clients imap support doesn't appear to support folders? atleast not on my imap server, it also doesn't copy the sent mails to the sent folder on the imap server, anyone know how to change this?19:15
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rangeredeeman: Second part: It doesn't.19:16
rangeFirst part: It shows the folders on my IMAP server without problems.19:16
Lorthirk`redeeman: it does with gmail19:16
redeemancould it be because my imap server does them in a namespace called INBOX. ?19:17
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_berto_anyone in barcelona ?19:17
bilboed-pi_berto_, I am (but I live here). Don't know where other people are, and if the idea to go to maremagnum for drinks is still on or not19:18
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_berto_i don't know either19:19
bilboed-piaren't most people staying in one hotel ?19:19
hardakerit does support folders.19:19
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hardakeryou have to have them in the subscribed list on the server side19:19
_berto_yes, but i'm in a different one19:19
hardaker(which I figured out by directly subscribing to them in another mail client)19:20
rangeevo: Are you seeing bug 6634 ?19:20
povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6634 was not found.19:20
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rangeErm. bug 563419:20
povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5634 Deleted IMAP messages are not expunged19:20
hardakerthere is no way to configure subscribed folders on the N900 that I can find.19:20
hardakerpovbot`: I actually like that fact.  I'd *rather* have my other mail client do the expunging and am about to depend on it I think.19:20
povbot`hardaker: Error: "I" is not a valid command.19:20
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javispedrolol19:21
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* javispedro watches hardaker quietly realize something :)19:21
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evorange: yeah, last message is mine, for example; the fact I got no reply let me think I was the only one with this issue, so I asked here :)19:21
rangeevo: Ah :)19:21
hardakerjavispedro: nah19:22
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jebbajebi bricked then flashed my device. The installed applications are still in /opt (supertux, as an example), but the icons aren't there and the /usr/bin/ symlinks are gone. Is there any way to re-generate these links/icons without having to apt-get everything again?19:28
hardakerI'd think you'd want to anyway so the application manager knows about what you've installed.19:29
hardakerit's cleaner ;-)19:29
plr_where in n900 canI find the sync menu19:29
hardakerbut you should be able to script around for i in *; apt-get install $i19:29
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jebbajebheh. yikes.19:30
jaemmorning19:31
* GAN900 still needs to buy some Euros.19:31
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jaemGAN900, I'll sell you one for 2 Euros19:32
ShadowJKplr_, contacts, menu, get contacts19:32
SpeedEvilI'll sell you euros at one ounce of gold per.19:32
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GAN900The money changer that used to be at the terminal here moved, I guess. <_<19:33
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jjmarinanybody knows where I can find the SIM menu on Nokia N900  like symbian phones ? I want to change the number on a vofafone twin SIM19:33
bilboed-piGAN900, just withdraw cash at any ATM19:34
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ShadowJKjjmarin, there isn't one :)19:34
jaemO_o19:34
ShadowJKatleast I haven't found any either19:34
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Ceron^can i make my n900 automatically use wlan when in range of HOME wlan19:34
ShadowJKCeron^, yes19:34
Ceron^and then change to 3g when away19:34
Ceron^how19:34
jaemokay, so... I went to bed last night with code that didn't work, needing to demo it today19:34
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jaemI woke up, and it still spits out all the same errors, and by all accounts shouldn't work, but it magically does19:35
ShadowJKCeron^, Settings -> INternet connections -> switch to wlan when available, save19:35
jjmarinShadowJK: thanks, what a pity :(19:35
jaemno idea why19:35
rangeCeron^: Go to preferences -> internet connections ...19:35
rangeWell, as ShadowJK typed faster.19:35
Myrttithere's three places where I love my maemo devices (770 and 800)19:35
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Myrttiall start with letter b19:35
ShadowJKbed and bus19:35
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SpeedEvilbathroom?19:35
SpeedEvilbordello?19:35
rangebar, breakfast table.19:35
Myrttibed, bog, bathtub19:35
ShadowJKlol19:36
SpeedEvilbathtub I'd be rather hesitant at.19:36
Ceron^ /b/19:36
SpeedEvilOwing to the whole humidity thing.19:36
Myrttimy fave place19:36
SpeedEvilI do however use my laptop in there19:36
Myrttican stay two or three hours19:37
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SpeedEvil(I place it on a chair, and then use a disposable USB keyb in the bath)19:37
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Ceron^SpeedEvil: lool doesnt it shortcut :f19:37
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Ceron^SpeedEvil: the whole computer19:37
Myrttibest was when i had mpd server and a proper sound system attachedd to it19:37
ManuelSEwhat is the point of hiding display brightness deep in settings menu19:37
ShadowJKthose dudes doing the torturetest thing should try shower19:37
SpeedEvilCeron^: no. The worst that can happen is the keyboard shorts out basically19:38
Myrtticould remotely control it with the mpd client19:38
Ceron^you sure :o19:38
Ceron^SpeedEvil: there is 5volts in the usb19:38
SpeedEvilCeron^: very sure.19:38
Ceron^you can break your pc usb ports19:38
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GAN900bilboed-pi, I'm assuming my US check card will work OK?19:38
SpeedEvilCeron^: Standards compliant USB ports are able to be shorted without damage.19:38
rangeManuelSE: There is a simple brightness applet in Extras which is accessible from the menu you get when you touch the status bar.19:38
ShadowJKManuelSE, they had some fancy geeks with fancy equipment spend 4 months in a closed room measuring brightness and contrast, and they said it was perfect and threatened to eat anyone implying a brightness setting was needed19:38
bilboed-piGAN900, if it's VISA or Mastercard or American Express it'll work virtually anywhere19:39
cehtehGAN900: where are you now?19:39
ManuelSEshadowjk  the brightness is pretty much awesome19:40
cehtehstranded in europe?19:40
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GAN900cehteh, TPA19:40
ManuelSEit is adjusting gently?19:40
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GAN900waiting to board the flight to JFK19:40
ShadowJKManuelSE, gentler than N810 atleast19:40
cehtehtpa is?19:40
GAN900Tampa, FL19:40
Ceron^http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00FYutWUaBsEMmM/Flexible-Keyboard-Silicon-Keyboard-Waterproof-Keyboard.jpg SpeedEvil19:41
cehtehah .. thought somewhere in eu19:41
Ceron^those are awsome19:41
ManuelSEthey were right.  it is adjusting very well19:41
GAN900cehteh, nah, landing in Barcelona at 07:45 local.19:42
ManuelSEthis looks like real R&# - i did not notice adjusting19:42
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cehtehis the brightness sensor readable by software?19:42
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cehtehmy hp laptop has the same .. and the same accelerormeter ... but i can only control the sensor off or on but not readout its level19:43
ShadowJKdunno, it was readable on N81019:43
cehtehbit pita i would like to adjust the brightness control algorithm19:43
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ShadowJKI'd suspect you can't override it19:45
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cehtehBME ...19:46
Stskeepsnaah.19:46
Stskeepsmce probably19:46
cehtehwell .. someone will hack it eventually :P19:46
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cehtehlets see maybe it works out of the box like i like it19:47
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el_zilchow00t! i doubt anyone cares that much, but my wifi wasn't working on arrival... incomplete flash fucked me over hardcore... got the battery charged with a circuit my office neighbour had... got it successfully flashed19:49
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el_zilchoand now wifi works now too19:49
el_zilchowtf19:49
el_zilcho:)19:49
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SpeedEvil:)19:51
el_zilchodebating whether i should wait for the replacement from amazon anyways since my battery contacts got bent a little and i had to bend them back into position19:52
el_zilchonice19:53
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* bilboed-pi goes home.19:56
bilboed-pimaybe people in bcn will give some sign of life19:56
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DM_900hey found the pipe for the hwkb  its Fn then Sym(symbol) screen pops up and tab is there too20:00
DM_900pita20:00
el_zilchoyzyz20:00
el_zilchohoping eventually to be able to customize those softkeys20:00
el_zilchobut that's a bit ahead of me since i've just got my device monday, and it just finally started working completely today20:01
DM_900yepyep i'd put it £ or €20:01
el_zilchoi searched five minutes for the @ :)20:01
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DM_900lol20:01
el_zilchoshift space was very unexpected20:01
DM_900blue arrow spacebar20:02
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el_zilchoyeah20:02
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DM_900orrather  Fn20:02
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DM_900discovered you dont have to hond cap or Fn for one cap or blue key20:03
DM_900but 2 hits of Fn and it stays on20:04
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DM_900same for caps20:04
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fchurcaHi people!20:11
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fchurcaJust being curious; I've read Gentoo has been ported to the N900; has Fedora been ported to the N900 too?20:12
Stskeepsgo ahead, there's bootmenu20:12
Stskeeps:P20:12
fchurcame?20:13
jebbajebfchurca: celumundo has N900 in .ar now, but for USD$1400.....20:13
DocScrutinizerel_zilcho: Is user supposed to flash a fresh OS on arrival of N900? o.O20:13
jebbajebfchurca: i doubt fedora has. I'm surprised gentoo has actually.20:13
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fchurcajebbajeb: Too expensive for me; I'll wait for it to be released by Claro at a saner price :P20:14
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simulano doc20:14
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DocScrutinizerpffffff20:15
DocScrutinizerthanks, got almost scared ;-P20:15
simulathey even partially charge the battery for you so you can start playing right away20:15
fchurcajebbajeb: It'll be just a matter of time for fedora, but gentoo, debian, or maemo itself will do :)20:15
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DocScrutinizersimula: I know ;-) Did exactly that20:16
DocScrutinizerand really appreciated the manual finally discarded the nonsense "charge bat for at least 99h prior to first use"20:16
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* RST38h moos thoughtfully20:18
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Arkenoibuiltin file manager does not open zip files, though i have unzip installed20:18
Vink_Hi,20:18
jebbajebfchurca: where you read about gentoo, btw?   debian has an arm repo, but IIRC fedora doesnt have arm repo unless they added one recently20:18
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fchurcafchurca: someone here (I don't remember the nick) has Gentoo on his/her N90020:19
RST38hArkenoi: Built in file manager does not do many things20:19
fchurcajebbajeb: /\20:19
RST38hArkenoi: It is basically a slightly extended file selection dialog. So, unless you feel like porting a few programs, install Midnight Commander20:20
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DocScrutinizerArkenoi: builtin fm also cheats on user in the much hated way of hiding real directory tree and dir names, not even a "go to:" to enter "real world"20:21
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Khertanhello everybody !20:21
fchurcahi Khertan20:21
DocScrutinizerlike "go to:" /etc20:22
RST38hDocScrut: just like S60 file manager20:22
fchurcaDoes anyone has Gentoo on a N900, people?20:22
Khertandoes there is hildon expert in the room ?20:22
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DocScrutinizeror am I missing something here20:22
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Khertanpymaemo docs say that hildon.Dialog is the same as gtk ones ... but buttons arg does nt seems to exists20:23
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: (MC) exactly what I did ;-)20:23
qwerty12Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "20:23
fchurcaalthough actually if vmware works in maemo you could virtualize whatever distro you want20:24
fchurcaor windows for that matter :P20:24
DocScrutinizerRST38h: I hate the blue bg though, need to tweak the config20:24
RST38h...and GtkDialog majorly broken, as usual20:24
Khertanqwerty12 : hum thx ... pymaemo docs is really buggy so :) 4 times that the docs is wrong20:25
KhertanRST38h ? broken ?20:25
Khertanreally ?20:25
Khertanyou mean FileChooserDialog ?20:25
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RST38hKhertan: no I mean that Hildon GtkDialog is no longer the same as Gtk+ GtkDialog20:26
RST38hi.e. from Gtk+ point of view, it is broken20:26
Khertanrst38h like every gtk things since fremantle20:27
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RST38hexactly20:27
RST38h...and they are already eyeing QT! =)20:28
RST38hThe End of the World is coming. Repent.20:28
Khertanyep i didn t think i ll do the move to qt ... i didn t like the framework20:29
DocScrutinizerOMG QT. Run for shelter ;-P20:29
_berto_HildonDialog is not needd20:29
_berto_just use GtkDialog20:29
_berto_which is not broken by any means20:29
Khertanand when i see all the things they changemin the ui in fremantle ... i m pretty sure the gtk will look ugly in hartman20:30
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redeemanhttp://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php <-- anyone that can tell me if the prefinal 2 is newest? (it doesnt exactly specify)20:30
lardman|homelook at the week numbers20:30
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Khertan_berto_ : yep but as i said the pymaemo docs suggest to use hildon.Dialog20:30
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lardman|homeredeeman: ignore me20:30
suihkulokki"The oldest Russian N900 community"20:30
redeemanlardman|home: :)20:30
lardman|homeI think there's final out now actually20:31
_berto_Khertan: that's probably a bug in pymaemo, but on the other hand it doesn't make any difference whether you use HildonDialog or GtkDialog20:31
suihkulokkithere are many russian n900 community sites? :P20:31
lardman|homeredeeman: hmm, virtual images, in which case I don't know, sorry20:31
RST38hsuih: there is one20:31
RST38hn8xx.com20:32
redeemanoh well, i can just take the real SDK, do you know if its available for x86_64 ?20:32
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lardman|homeno idea, but you used to be able to hack the installation scripts if they failed20:32
lardman|homehave since moved back to 32bit so don't know for this version I'm afraid20:32
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: yo from my Mac!20:33
fchurca!lol20:36
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Khertancrashanddie : what are you doing with a mac ???20:36
crashanddieI just bought it :)20:37
lardman|homeyou arty-farty type20:37
lardman|home;)20:37
crashanddiebla bla bla :P20:37
lardman|homelol20:37
Khertantasks in fremantle are stored in evolution data right ?20:37
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florianre20:39
jjmarinIt there any alternative url for supl.nokia.com for localization ?20:39
Khertantasks in fremantle are stored in evolution data right ? < noone know ?20:40
Khertanjjmarin: yes there are but mostly depends on your fai20:41
Khertans/fai/isp20:41
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jjmarinKhertan: Do you know where can I find a list of this places ?20:43
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jjmarins/this/these/20:43
infobotjjmarin meant: Khertan: Do you know where can I find a list of these places ?20:43
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fnordianslipcrashanddie: 1st tip for your new mac.  want a nice free text editor - get textwrabgler - built in support for sftp20:46
* Mousey suggests sticking with vi20:47
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Khertanjjmarin : depends also on contract20:47
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fnordianslipMousey: back in your hole before i set the cat on you20:47
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Mouseyooh, a snack!20:48
fnordianslipMousey: you eat cats?20:48
Mouseyexcellent source of emergency protien20:49
Mouseys/ie/ei/20:49
infobotMousey meant: excellent source of emergency protein20:49
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fnordianslipI'll keep that in mind20:49
jjmarinKhertan: But if I use WLAN, can I use A-GPS ?20:49
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luke-jrjjmarin: N810 only has WLAN20:50
jebbajebWhy do so many dbus-send examples start with "run-standalone.sh dbus-send ...".   Why is the run-standalone.sh there?  They all seem to run fine without it too.20:50
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Khertanjjmarin : yes and now ...20:51
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jjmarinluke: ok20:51
derfjebbajeb: run-standalone.sh ensures that environment variables are properly set so it can locate the dbus session.20:51
Khertanfor example sfr isp accept only request from their 3g network so don t work on wlan20:51
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derfIf you're running them as user that's no problem.20:52
derfBut if you were running them from, say, a cron job, it would be.20:52
Khertanand of course they block the nokia one20:52
jebbajebah, gotcha thx20:52
derfOr an install script.