| lcuk | crashanddie, craigslist | 00:02 |
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| aSIMULAtor | so i wonder how many phones ended up in people's hands fuckuked to begin with | 00:03 |
| lcuk | i dunno aSIMULAtor but its troubling | 00:03 |
| aSIMULAtor | yes and it's embarassing | 00:03 |
| aSIMULAtor | especially since one of my friends ended up with a bricked phone | 00:04 |
| kynky | nuknuk made him self noticed on tmo | 00:04 |
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| range | That's one way to say it. | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | still curious regarding if the reboot issue is SW or HW | 00:05 |
| DangerMaus | Klowner, anything? ohwell im dead tired cya 2marrow | 00:06 |
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| brian946 | crashanddie: do you happen to have opendns's ip handy? | 00:06 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, reboot could be many many things | 00:08 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah but wd reboots are usually not good | 00:08 |
| lcuk | no agreed | 00:08 |
| timeless_mbp | flasher 3.5 is available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 00:08 |
| * lcuk charges batteries and gets ready to push to autobuilder | 00:09 | |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i've been hard pressed to make my n8x0 wd reboot :P | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | id be hard pressed to make n810 reboot at all | 00:09 |
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| AakashPatel | YAY | 00:09 |
| AakashPatel | got my n900 | 00:09 |
| lcuk | :D w00t! | 00:09 |
| w00t | YES! | 00:10 |
| AakashPatel | is there anyway to get my google contacts to hear? | 00:10 |
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| w00t | AakashPatel: what country? | 00:10 |
| AakashPatel | sync em | 00:10 |
| AakashPatel | w00t: US to the A | 00:10 |
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| w00t | oh, ok, irrelevant | 00:10 |
| w00t | (:-p) | 00:10 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N900 | w00t: Don't worry: There's tons of people from the UK who have one | 00:11 |
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| brian946 | crashanddie: opendns fixed the problem! | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | there's a conspiracy to keep w00t from getting his n900 | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:11 |
| w00t | qwerty12_N900: I am going to murder you slowly and painfully | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Led by Stskeeps | 00:11 |
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| lcuk | is w00t still waiting for his w00t momnt | 00:11 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders when his proper screen protector will arrive. | 00:11 | |
| lcuk | and if he does have it will anyone notice | 00:11 |
| w00t | lcuk: yes :-/ | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Currently I have cling-film taped on the display. | 00:12 |
| lcuk | damn | 00:12 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: hahaha. | 00:12 |
| fnordianslip | brian946: opendns fixed the repo problem? | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N900 | w00t: Do I get fries with that? | 00:12 |
| AakashPatel | any info on syncin? | 00:12 |
| w00t | qwerty12_N900: do you get fried? yes | 00:12 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, inventive | 00:12 |
| AakashPatel | or only thing to do is download the contacts file and import it | 00:12 |
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| brian946 | fnordianslip: i think it did...not 100% | 00:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It actually sticks OK - getting it wrinkle free is hard though | 00:12 |
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| w00t | I really do hope mine arrives this week, otherwise it's going to be wait until it's on O2 contract time | 00:13 |
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| fnordianslip | brian946 hmm. i went to my ISPs upstream DNS instead of a dnsmasq on my LAN and that fixed it for me two | 00:13 |
| fnordianslip | too, even | 00:14 |
| brian946 | fnordianslip: i can do an apt-get update...https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps/ and the other https repo work fine | 00:14 |
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| brian946 | fnordianslip: awesome | 00:15 |
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| fnordianslip | brian946: yep, it was the downloads.maemo.nokia.com causing my problems | 00:15 |
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| brian946 | fnordianslip: now apt-get complains about "No hash entry" for extras-devel | 00:16 |
| fnordianslip | brian946: it worked ok over cellular but not on my home LAN. | 00:16 |
| fnordianslip | brian946: different problem | 00:16 |
| brian946 | fnordianslip: ok...i'm just trying over the lan too | 00:16 |
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| mashiara | flandry: any preference/suggestion on file transfer service ? | 00:17 |
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| fnordianslip | brian946: i mean the dns prob wasn't on the cell network. extras-devel problem seems urelated | 00:17 |
| mashiara | I have a joydev.ko that inserts to stock kernel for you | 00:17 |
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| mashiara | how to make a nice .deb is left as an exercise to the reader | 00:17 |
| Flandry | wow that's wonderful | 00:17 |
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| Flandry | um tgz and email? | 00:18 |
| brian946 | fnordianslip: i agree | 00:18 |
| Flandry | it's small i assume | 00:18 |
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| mashiara | yes | 00:18 |
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| mashiara | but I don't have any email accounts set up on the VM... | 00:18 |
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| Flandry | my server died last month so i'm rather limited in options | 00:18 |
| Flandry | oh | 00:19 |
| Flandry | webmail? | 00:19 |
| mashiara | point... | 00:19 |
| * mashiara is too tired... | 00:19 | |
| mashiara | your email ? | 00:19 |
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| Flandry | davidfalkayn gmail | 00:20 |
| AakashPatel | ermmm | 00:20 |
| AakashPatel | can i import a cvs contacts file | 00:20 |
| AakashPatel | ?? | 00:20 |
| lardman | night all | 00:20 |
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| Flandry | bye lardman|gone | 00:21 |
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| AakashPatel | anyone got any info on contacts? :/ | 00:24 |
| Venomrush | got managed to get hold of service manual level 3 + 4 | 00:25 |
| Venomrush | getting the schematics sometime end of the week | 00:25 |
| Venomrush | thanks to Moz | 00:25 |
| mashiara | flandry: sent, also again with how I made it | 00:25 |
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| Flandry | received, and thank you very much | 00:26 |
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| Flandry | How would you like to be credited in the changelog? | 00:27 |
| mashiara | this is exactly the same way I have tried building the nf_conntrack et co for the stock kernel, but they just won't work... | 00:27 |
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| Flandry | hmm that is weird | 00:27 |
| Flandry | maybe start fresh and set it all up from scratch and you'll realize where it went wrong | 00:28 |
| mashiara | been there, done that | 00:28 |
| mashiara | many times... | 00:28 |
| mashiara | from same build as the conntrack et co for example msdos.ko does work | 00:29 |
| mashiara | so it's not something in the build process itself | 00:29 |
| jebbajeb | wow, that's quite a bit of space for a device with only 256M: | 00:29 |
| jebbajeb | 20.8M Dec 1 19:22 /usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache | 00:29 |
| Flandry | yeah it is | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | jebbajeb: but compared to the amount of performance improvement.. | 00:29 |
| Flandry | it's also a high-volume bit of data | 00:30 |
| Flandry | ^ | 00:30 |
| mashiara | anyways, now I go to sleep. good night everyone | 00:30 |
| AakashPatel | anyone D: | 00:30 |
| Flandry | goodnight | 00:30 |
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| jebbajeb | Stskeeps: just trying to track down fatness as I'm back at 99% full on / ;) (even after reboot....) | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 00:32 |
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| jebbajeb | would be nice if /home/user was encrypted. I mean if you lose your fone, you are pretty hosed. | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | jebbajeb: yeah but you would need to encrypt swap, /home and /opt too .. | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | and then performance starts going downhill | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: doubtful. | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: attack vector: your own kernel booting from ext sd. | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: I would guess hte encryption speed at >10M/s - even assuming there is no encryption hardware | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | meh - no crypto modules for kernel | 00:36 |
| AakashPatel | Does nokia pc suite support osx? | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, OMAP3 should be able to accelerate crypto. | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | AakashPatel, ha. | 00:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VMWare. ;) | 00:37 |
| jebbajeb | Stskeeps: i was thinking something along the lines of LUKS, just for user data, not for applications | 00:37 |
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| AakashPatel | GeneralAntilles: Lol is there a way to sync/import my google contacts to this thing? | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: IIRC, you were anti-MIPS to some degree... what makes ARM better than MIPS? from what I've seen, ARM uses 4x the power than MIPS does in practice | 00:38 |
| jebbajeb | like just /home/user/MyDocs (not swap nor /opt) | 00:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - time dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=102400 |md5sum - | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | completes in 3s - which is 30 meg a second | 00:38 |
| jebbajeb | * "sync" | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | And aes should be same order of magnitude as md5 | 00:38 |
| AakashPatel | jebbajeb: lol what | 00:39 |
| Venomrush | hmm i love service manuals | 00:39 |
| Venomrush | those troubleshooting flows really help | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, it's also got significantly better performance. | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | and more support from the big mobile players. | 00:39 |
| jebbajeb | AakashPatel: ? | 00:39 |
| AakashPatel | you said somethin about sync | 00:39 |
| AakashPatel | oh | 00:39 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: i c | 00:39 |
| AakashPatel | you werent talkin to me | 00:39 |
| AakashPatel | sorry | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, they're both better than x86, but given a choice between MIPS and ARM I'd definitely go with ARM. | 00:39 |
| jebbajeb | ah, do dd then the sync... the sync will take longer me supposes | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not that I'm /anti/-MIPS, it's just wouldn't be my architecture of choice. | 00:40 |
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| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: well, I'm mainly thinking for a router at the moment, and OpenRD-Client uses 20 W vs RouterBoard at 3-5 W | 00:41 |
| jebbajeb | if one just does a `reboot` or `shutdown now -r` instead of doing the poweroff in the menu, is it ok/clean? | 00:41 |
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| tbf | luke-jr: quite wasteful | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, don't have any real experience with non-brick'n'mortar network hardware. | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok. Kernel can do AES - but cryptoloop doesn't seem to be there | 00:43 |
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| jebbajeb | SpeedEvil: what about things like cryptsetup / LUKS? | 00:44 |
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| yannj__ | I am tring to read a rtsp flow, I manage to get it from gst-launch with uridecodebin, but when trying with the link in maemo browser (the link is on a webpage) it launches mediaplayer and fails, is there a way to launch mediaplayer directly with the URI | 00:44 |
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| jebbajeb | SpeedEvil: i thought cryptoloop was long ago deprecated | 00:44 |
| tbf | luke-jr: unless i am totally off the n900 is somewhere around 0.5..4W depending on load (well, or i am just too tired) | 00:44 |
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| luke-jr | tbf: N900 is also far more expensive than I'm buying for a router ;) | 00:46 |
| luke-jr | and lacks Ethernet | 00:46 |
| VDVsx | grrr extras-devel is broken again :( | 00:46 |
| jebbajeb | VDVsx: how? I'm using it ok | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: beat someone? | 00:47 |
| tbf | luke-jr: well, therefore it has wlan, 3g, bluetooth | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | jebbajeb: meh | 00:47 |
| tbf | luke-jr: well, but i am quite clueless when it comes to hardware | 00:48 |
| tbf | luke-jr: regularly wonder if should it consider offensive that i have to flash my n900 myself :-D | 00:48 |
| VDVsx | jeanjean, really ? I'm getting the "hash bla bla" error | 00:48 |
| VDVsx | ups | 00:48 |
| VDVsx | jebbajeb, | 00:48 |
| VDVsx | ^ | 00:48 |
| tbf | luke-jr: just wanted to point out that ARM isn't wasteful by definition | 00:48 |
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| tbf | maybe. | 00:49 |
| luke-jr | tbf: IMO, devices should come blank and require flashing :) | 00:50 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, devices should come up with a menu on install, "maemo symbian, other" | 00:52 |
| lcuk | ^ m | 00:52 |
| lcuk | ^ , even | 00:52 |
| lcuk | ffs | 00:52 |
| microlith | luke-jr: people like to actually use their devices | 00:52 |
| AakashPatel | lawl i got gmail sycing with active sync with my phone | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | actually, better yet | 00:52 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, maemo, symbian, liqbase, canola, other :D | 00:53 |
| lcuk | ahem | 00:53 |
| luke-jr | Vendor can produce a quality piece of hardware, then hold a contest for software | 00:53 |
| tbf | luke-jr: didn't talk as customer, talked as developer who has to flash one or two times a week ;-) | 00:53 |
| luke-jr | winner gets the software development budget | 00:53 |
| luke-jr | :) | 00:53 |
| lcuk | liqos and canolos | 00:53 |
| lcuk | DOS!! | 00:53 |
| jaem | ha | 00:53 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, errr isnt it a bit late | 00:54 |
| lcuk | after the stuff has been made | 00:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: My last phone did | 00:54 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: (kernel only, which panicked due to no FS) | 00:54 |
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| Klowner | I got it! yaaaaaaay | 01:00 |
| Shapeshifter | Does someone know a text-to-speech lib that is already ported to ARM and available in the repos? | 01:01 |
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| Mousey | HAIL ERIS! | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | flite? | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ->shap | 01:01 |
| fnordianslippers | indeed | 01:02 |
| Mousey | flite and espeak, ne? | 01:02 |
| Mousey | i drove a fnord for a while.. had to sell it. the windows kept breaking | 01:02 |
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| Mousey | ...out into song! | 01:02 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil, Mousey, thanks | 01:02 |
| fnordianslippers | i had a pc for a bit and the windows kept breaking. coincidence? | 01:03 |
| Mousey | i think about knots | 01:03 |
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| fnordianslippers | i think about the game, and i don't even play it | 01:04 |
| * Mousey goes back to not eating hot dogs | 01:04 | |
| Mousey | ...well the buns, anyway | 01:04 |
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| fnordianslippers | they're ok if you have 5 | 01:05 |
| fnordianslippers | probably | 01:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. I'm bored with the app I'm coding. I don't think anyone will use it, including myself. | 01:27 |
| Shapeshifter | Any suggestions what to code? | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: you can help write an IRC bot | 01:27 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders. | 01:27 | |
| luke-jr | http://gitorious.org/geneticchat/ | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: A quassel port? | 01:27 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: why? supybot is good enough. | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | with a n900 frontend? | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: Supybot is utterly void of any intelligence | 01:28 |
| Firebird | you could help test/add ogles2/0 to libsdl1.3 for me | 01:28 |
| mikhas | ShadowJK, go to t.m.o and search for app requests? | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: way to encrypt /home ? | 01:28 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, what are you building atm | 01:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh, not interested. Oh, I know something. Maybe a tool and service to easily set up theft-protection, i.e. sending of GPS coordinates by SMS/internet/anything available + sending pictures made with the front cam. | 01:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | lcuk: a calendar app. It's quite nifty I think, but only for very specific usage patterns. | 01:30 |
| lcuk | pics? | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: that's an idea | 01:30 |
| Firebird | I think by the time the GPS locks the thief would have taken the battery out | 01:30 |
| lcuk | and would you know at the maemo long weekend my calendar is gettin looked at | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, rcadden. | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: make sure it uses minimum bandwidth normally. like, one TCP connection when it boots, and pings/checks every hour with 1 byte | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | Firebird: thiefs are mostly stupid | 01:31 |
| * hardaker hates the fact that the calendar app can't do a simple "first monday of the month" repeat. sigh. | 01:31 | |
| lcuk | no, criminals are refined | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: the elite few | 01:31 |
| lcuk | they will steal a device with the single intention of building gentoo linux on them | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | ... | 01:31 |
| lcuk | its not worth stealing if its not open | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | Firebird: be sure to demand NOLO source from Nokia to prevent flashing over the security ;) | 01:32 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: http://stuff.moritzg.ch/maemopyqal.png I originally started writing it for my laptop, not maemo, that's why it's not hildonized yet. I'm currently optimizing it as an option to suit maemo. | 01:32 |
| luke-jr | if you're really crafty, you can have your replacement NOLO emulate a successful flash while infecting the new image... | 01:32 |
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| Shapeshifter | the features aren't apparent, but it does things like: | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | looks like time reporting tool, was thursday your busy day? | 01:34 |
| Shapeshifter | 1. the checker style thing in the top left; if you click-hover the mouse the week below changes dynamically. very easy to browse a whole year within seconds. 2. day with events are highlighted. 3. optional zoom function on the "microcal" thingy in the top left. tries to understand any input and translates it. e.g. you enter 900 1120 something and it will reformat to 09:00 11:20 - something. supports recurring events, inifite, counting up ... | 01:34 |
| Shapeshifter | ... (bdays?), or counting down (deadlines?) | 01:34 |
| joerg_rw | Mediaplayer doesn't sense headset holdbutton on N900? | 01:35 |
| lcuk | cool | 01:35 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: nah in the end every day has the same amount of space. that just because it's a bit cramped on maemo. as I said I'm working on it. But I got a bit bored. I wouldn't even use it myself. I think. The point is that I don't really get the point of those calendars like google calendar where you have huuge bars that stretch over the hours and especially on the n900 you have to scroll around the screen to see all events | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: looks too difficult to touch accurately | 01:36 |
| PolarFox | I think I have to order an expert to install my Maemo development enviroment :D | 01:36 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: I have an interesting calendar "app" | 01:36 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: yep. that's why I implemented zooming on the widget at the top left. but I clearly made it with the desktop in mind. I imagine it is impossible to use on maemo. | 01:36 |
| PolarFox | I've wasted like 10 hours and I still cannot get ANYTHING to run :) | 01:36 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeVPddxHW84 30 second overview | 01:37 |
| Flandry | use a virtual machine image | 01:37 |
| mikhas | and the UI installer | 01:37 |
| lcuk | PolarFox, :( i feel your pain | 01:37 |
| lcuk | once i discovered the GUI installer on a clean ubuntu tho i was happy | 01:37 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: that's nice :) can it sync with google? or import .ics? | 01:38 |
| tbf | Shapeshifter: already was going to ask if you'll ship a pair of glasses with that app :-D | 01:38 |
| tbf | but not hildonized - ok | 01:38 |
| lcuk | google and ics dont support the human touch | 01:38 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: well, for those events they could just be pasted on screen. just for "importing" | 01:38 |
| Shapeshifter | not syncing back. | 01:38 |
| lcuk | it will howevereventually sync with the calendar on my kitchen wall | 01:38 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 01:38 |
| lcuk | pasted on screen? | 01:39 |
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| joerg_rw | Nybody share a pointer or advice where to get xchat maemo5 please | 01:39 |
| lcuk | extras-devel | 01:39 |
| Shapeshifter | but, importing events from google/caldav would be quite useful. Well, I mean just put them there, somewhere in the area where you can also handwrite on | 01:39 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: do you have released the source? | 01:39 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:39 |
| lcuk | it will be totally standalone though in about 2 hours | 01:40 |
| lcuk | its embedded in playground atm | 01:40 |
| lcuk | im just pulling it out as we speak | 01:40 |
| lcuk | so people can just install the calendar | 01:40 |
| joerg_rw | Lcuk I seem to have extrasfdevel | 01:40 |
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| joerg_rw | Can't find it | 01:40 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: ah okay. | 01:40 |
| PolarFox | lcuk: maybe I should install jaunty on a virtualbox machine and try out the GUI installer.. | 01:41 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: what is it written in, and what toolkit? | 01:41 |
| lcuk | PolarFox, if you are making a vm just grab the entire vm image | 01:41 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, its in c, and is totally ground up code | 01:41 |
| lcuk | no existing toolkit was used | 01:41 |
| Shapeshifter | ohh okay | 01:41 |
| PolarFox | lcuk: It's a huge download .. and with my luck, it's already old :) | 01:41 |
| mikhas | it isnt | 01:41 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hGUKICDeok the rendering engine portion and a quick run through of some bits | 01:42 |
| PolarFox | lcuk: I'm going VM since my tries with 64bit OS ended with pain.. :) | 01:42 |
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| lcuk | PolarFox, i also feel your pain | 01:42 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/calendar/demo.svg | 01:43 |
| joerg_rw | Anyway, youtube plays fine on N900 | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: disclaimer: requires a half decent SVG viewer | 01:43 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, that looks like other calendaring apps ive written in the past | 01:43 |
| tbf | can someone translate "mick out of customers" please? | 01:43 |
| tbf | i hate it getting called words in slang | 01:44 |
| mavhc | as in take the mick? | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: seriously? I wrote it cuz I couldn't find anything to do it | 01:44 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, why does someone miss hygiene on thursday and friday | 01:44 |
| PolarFox | Well I'm going to sleep.. maybe fourth night with this "Kit" will solve the problem. | 01:45 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, could drag and edit and adjust things as required | 01:45 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: that is brilliant | 01:45 |
| fnordianslippers | tbf: it's polite for "piss" | 01:45 |
| PolarFox | BTW. Why is that image so huuuge? :) | 01:45 |
| * lcuk nods :) | 01:45 | |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: how about non-rectagular polygons? ;) | 01:46 |
| luke-jr | PolarFox: what image? | 01:46 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: what kind of accent is that btw? | 01:46 |
| lcuk | mancunian | 01:46 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, ahh you see | 01:46 |
| lcuk | thats multiple individual columns | 01:46 |
| Shapeshifter | I see. | 01:46 |
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| PolarFox | luke-jr: that ESBox VM image | 01:46 |
| lcuk | with a bit of trickery as to which border to show | 01:46 |
| lcuk | i even had the autosizing algorithm for the text within | 01:47 |
| lcuk | didnt go downwards tho | 01:47 |
| PolarFox | maemovmware or something like that | 01:47 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: should have published it? :p | 01:47 |
| lcuk | part of a different life | 01:47 |
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| lcuk | i have to reimplement anything i do | 01:48 |
| lcuk | (closed source vb project a few years ago for old job) | 01:48 |
| tbf | fnordianslippers: awesome. calling apple users "fans" is "pissing them" | 01:48 |
| tbf | awesome guys | 01:48 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, i have all the test projects that i did for the pieces, holdon lemme see if i can find | 01:49 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: the difficult part remaining would be to make the text flow within the polygon | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | rather than treating the bounding rectangle | 01:50 |
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| lcuk | take widest contigious piece | 01:50 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/font_scale_rendering_area.png | 01:50 |
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| fnordianslippers | tbf: not quite. taking the piss means to make fun of them | 01:51 |
| spaghetty | bye | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: that doesn't do it | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | (the content is results of a codegen) | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: all of those are rectangles | 01:51 |
| lcuk | take the u shaped "lunch" one | 01:52 |
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| luke-jr | actually, for "Lunch", the ideal would be just making sure the "L" and "h" are in the tall regions ;) | 01:52 |
| luke-jr | but it's a unique case | 01:52 |
| lcuk | you have an island made up from 3 columns | 01:52 |
| lcuk | the text has to realistically sit i nthe lower half | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | but thats an optimization on hte rendering layer | 01:53 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: for example, take Breakfast ;) | 01:53 |
| lcuk | cos you can happily say lunch in each column | 01:53 |
| lcuk | wlel that looks silly | 01:53 |
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| luke-jr | XD | 01:54 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | I like to sleep in when I can | 01:54 |
| lcuk | if its something like that, perhaps a background layer with shaded region would be better | 01:54 |
| lcuk | i do like the ZZzs | 01:55 |
| lcuk | could get nice effect just using a tiled ttexture image | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | those only work in Inkscape and Firefox <.< | 01:55 |
| lcuk | infact, thats how you could do all those standard ones | 01:55 |
| lcuk | for sleep and breakfast and everything | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | Prep Food could use line-splitting :p | 01:56 |
| lcuk | why does C not have any lunch on thursday | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: the public SVG is filtered for privacy :) | 01:57 |
| lcuk | top secret thursday? | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | haha | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | and Wednesday | 01:57 |
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| luke-jr | I am L | 01:58 |
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| lcuk | no shit! | 01:58 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:58 |
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| lcuk | are these actual times you do things or expected | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: expected | 01:58 |
| lcuk | thats quite cool overal | 01:59 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: your dragging thing would be cooler tho ;) | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | mine is just a Perl script to convert event files into SVG | 02:01 |
| lcuk | yeah | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | and not very efficient with the algorithm | 02:01 |
| lcuk | at the barcamps ive been to recently, the trackshave been entered into a big grid | 02:01 |
| lcuk | they use pen and paper! | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | it literally plots events per minute and traces the shapes | 02:01 |
| lcuk | yikes | 02:01 |
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| lcuk | that dataset is entirely possible to run in realtime | 02:01 |
| lcuk | its not that complex | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | well, actually, slightly different from that... | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | it traces the shapes, and for each "pixel" it calls a function to get the value | 02:02 |
| luke-jr | at that time, the function looks at all the events to see which match it ;) | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | id just grad the stuff from the database in ascending order and start from there | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | i need to go beat the shit out of new package, bbiab | 02:03 |
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| toggles_w | so i was thinking about starting a conversation here about n900's and bluetooh keyboards.. | 02:06 |
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| Arkenoi | why does "mirror" application show such a distorted noisy picture? | 02:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: camera is shit | 02:11 |
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| simula | i haven't done a great deal with the camera, but it doesn't seem so bad to me | 02:12 |
| Arkenoi | *that* shit? looks like it is almost non-working | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Do yuou have pre-release hardware? | 02:13 |
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| simula | i haven't used the mirror app though | 02:13 |
| simula | nawp, release hardware | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | And I thought the classic mirror app is setting screen to black XD | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ->ark | 02:13 |
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| Docscrutinizer51 | Grr pidgin | 02:14 |
| Docscrutinizer51 | Omg at least better name now | 02:15 |
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| Arkenoi | speedevil, nope, it is "not for sale", but i have "n900" logo on the device | 02:16 |
| Arkenoi | so i guess it is the final version | 02:17 |
| AakashPatel | is tehre video chatting on google talk? | 02:17 |
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| tbf | AakashPatel: on the n900? disabled for too many serious bugs, but the rtcom staff is working hard on getting it running | 02:19 |
| Arkenoi | (tried to capture an screenshot of mirror app, but no luck for obvious reason) | 02:20 |
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| mikhas | AakashPatel, did you try a skype video chat? | 02:24 |
| Venomrush | Nokia N900 Stress Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA11mScNBLk | 02:24 |
| Venomrush | more like Scratch Test | 02:24 |
| AakashPatel | :0 | 02:24 |
| AakashPatel | mikhas: the default skype integration has video chat? | 02:24 |
| Venomrush | apparently it scratches pretty easy | 02:24 |
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| mikhas | AakashPatel, cant say. but it came up on planet.maemo.org some time ago. Havent tried myself yet =) | 02:26 |
| AakashPatel | ill try it in a few mins lol | 02:26 |
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| mikhas | Venomrush, that's sick | 02:28 |
| mikhas | I couldnt watch to the end | 02:28 |
| luke-jr | nice, someone I know just turned down a job because they use glib :) | 02:28 |
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| simula | heh | 02:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh, I was thinking about writing a videocalling solution. Am I bound to fail? | 02:31 |
| Shapeshifter | a really simple one. Just because I'm sick of skype and sip is broken anyway. | 02:32 |
| Shapeshifter | just for me and my girlfriend if it has to be. | 02:32 |
| luke-jr | why not just use XMPP w/ the default stuff? | 02:32 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh xmpp does videocalling? huh. how did I miss that. | 02:32 |
| Shapeshifter | googling. | 02:32 |
| luke-jr | ... | 02:33 |
| Arkenoi | what's wrong with sip? | 02:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: with vibrator support? | 02:35 |
| Shapeshifter | Arkenoi: it's incredibly broken, and all clients suck. | 02:35 |
| Arkenoi | Venomrush, he talks too much ;-) | 02:35 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: hah. | 02:35 |
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| greenfly | screen -dr | 02:35 |
| * Arkenoi is quite satisified with sip. never tried video, though | 02:35 | |
| greenfly | heh | 02:35 |
| Shapeshifter | Arkenoi: ah. well audio ain't that bad with sip. | 02:36 |
| tbf | SpeedEvil: signup at facebook and get a date :-D :-p | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | My N810 works with SIP if I'm on the LAN, but not if it has to go through NAT | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | and unfortunately, my PBX is Asterisk whcih doesn't support IPv6 | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | SIP would probably work fine if people weren't screwing with packetflow | 02:37 |
| ccooke | it all depends on which SIP transport you use... | 02:38 |
| luke-jr | ? | 02:38 |
| luke-jr | you mean other than RTP? | 02:38 |
| ccooke | luke-jr: sip can use tcp or udp transports | 02:38 |
| luke-jr | oh | 02:38 |
| ccooke | and a couple of different kinds of tunnelling | 02:38 |
| luke-jr | I'm not sure TCP vs UDP is the problem at all | 02:39 |
| ccooke | udp is good for nat traversal | 02:39 |
| luke-jr | tunnelling is just lame | 02:39 |
| luke-jr | ... | 02:39 |
| luke-jr | TCP is far better than UDP for getting by NATs | 02:39 |
| AakashPatel | how do you get into skype on the device?? | 02:39 |
| AakashPatel | i logged in through settings | 02:39 |
| luke-jr | AakashPatel: Skype sucks. | 02:39 |
| AakashPatel | i want video chat :( | 02:40 |
| ccooke | Actually, no. UDP with a central server or predefined endpoints is vastly superior to TCP for nat traversal. | 02:40 |
| luke-jr | AakashPatel: use XMPP like a real man | 02:40 |
| AakashPatel | Lol | 02:40 |
| Arkenoi | will there ever be SRTP? | 02:40 |
| AakashPatel | I use Google Talk usually | 02:40 |
| AakashPatel | luke-jr: Just wanted to try out the video chatting on it | 02:40 |
| luke-jr | AakashPatel: Google Talk should work fine with Nxx0 | 02:40 |
| Robot101 | Shapeshifter: the Telepathy framework on the device supports XMPP (and Google Video) video calls | 02:40 |
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| AakashPatel | Hmmm | 02:41 |
| Shapeshifter | Robot101: nice. | 02:41 |
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| Robot101 | Arkenoi: we're working on SRTP in the stack atm | 02:41 |
| AakashPatel | So... | 02:41 |
| AakashPatel | how do i do it lol | 02:41 |
| luke-jr | AakashPatel: click the phone icon before you dial | 02:42 |
| luke-jr | it enables the camera | 02:42 |
| luke-jr | at least that's how it was on Maemo 4 | 02:42 |
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| Robot101 | Arkenoi: but it's not likely to be supported officially - it might be possible for us to put some of it on maemo.org for keen people to update :) | 02:42 |
| AakashPatel | hmm it is only if you have a skype nubmer? | 02:43 |
| * AakashPatel isnt familar with skype anyways | 02:43 | |
| Arkenoi | robot101: that would be great! first "crypto phone out of the box". well, almost that ;-) | 02:44 |
| mikhas | AakashPatel, you can register a test account and get some minutes for free | 02:44 |
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| AakashPatel | okay | 02:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: can you recommend an XMPP client that does video for linux? | 02:46 |
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| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: no. | 02:46 |
| Robot101 | Shapeshifter: empathy, using the same telepathy framework | 02:46 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: Psi supposedly supports it, but requires gstreamer :/ | 02:46 |
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| Shapeshifter | Robot101: I don't like empathy. | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | and I refuse to use g* | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | luke-jr: maemo uses quite a lot of it... :P | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: I don't use Maemo | 02:47 |
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| Robot101 | sorry, rash assumption of me, its not like we're in #maemo or anything :P | 02:48 |
| mikhas | empathy is a great IM client anway, no reasons to not have it on your desktop =p | 02:48 |
| luke-jr | :D | 02:48 |
| luke-jr | mikhas: it's g* even though it doesn't match literally | 02:48 |
| luke-jr | that alone is reason enough | 02:48 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: you don't like gstreamer? | 02:48 |
| mikhas | you hate gst? | 02:48 |
| Shapeshifter | why not? | 02:48 |
| Robot101 | Shapeshifter: well... cool. why? | 02:48 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: it's g* | 02:48 |
| mikhas | you must hate a lot of things then | 02:49 |
| Shapeshifter | Robot101: I don't remember actually. I had it installed just 3 weeks ago and tried out everything but for some reason I went "meh" and continued using pidgin. | 02:49 |
| Robot101 | thanks, I'll pass that on to the guys in the office :P | 02:49 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 02:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: no but gstreamer really is useful. | 02:50 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: to me, things like gstreamer are a waste anyway | 02:50 |
| luke-jr | ALSA works just fine | 02:50 |
| Shapeshifter | ewww alsa | 02:50 |
| mikhas | luke-jr, ever tried to stream video with alsa? | 02:50 |
| Robot101 | luke-jr: these two things are not alike | 02:50 |
| Shapeshifter | alsa needs to die | 02:50 |
| Robot101 | luke-jr: I don't like living in a house, I have a teapot | 02:50 |
| luke-jr | mikhas: nope, that's what something like mplayer is for | 02:50 |
| Shapeshifter | long live OSS | 02:50 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: then gstreamer shouldn't fight ALSA | 02:51 |
| Robot101 | it doesn't | 02:51 |
| Robot101 | it uses alsa to access the hardware... thats why it has alsa plugins | 02:51 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't lock the device when silent? | 02:51 |
| luke-jr | preventing other ALSA apps from playing sound | 02:51 |
| Robot101 | its a library, it doesn't "do" anything you don't ask it to | 02:51 |
| mikhas | filter graphs are a necessity for so many application that it is a bit silly to be against gst =) | 02:51 |
| AakashPatel | psh feck this | 02:51 |
| AakashPatel | i have to buy a number | 02:52 |
| luke-jr | AakashPatel: wtf? | 02:52 |
| Robot101 | any alsa application can block any other alsa application from playing sound, thats why stuff like pulseaudio exists. | 02:52 |
| AakashPatel | skype is a ftl | 02:52 |
| luke-jr | mikhas: if gst wants me to use it, they need to stop depending on libglib | 02:52 |
| Shapeshifter | pulse.... oh no | 02:52 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: not true, by default ALSA will mix audio streams | 02:52 |
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| Robot101 | luke-jr: by default, no it won't. you need to configure it to. and even if you did, gstreamer would still work fine. | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | and even if you disable that for some reason, usually things don't lock it when not in use | 02:53 |
| AakashPatel | now, waht was taht other way to video chat with google talk? | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: yes it does... | 02:53 |
| Shapeshifter | for gods sake if you'd just use OSS everything would be brilliant | 02:53 |
| Shapeshifter | it mixes perfectly | 02:53 |
| Shapeshifter | anything | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | OSS never mixed for me | 02:53 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: how can oss not mix. | 02:54 |
| Shapeshifter | you just send stuff to /dev/dsp and it does the rest. | 02:54 |
| Shapeshifter | basically. | 02:54 |
| Robot101 | it doesn't mix | 02:54 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: if you open /dev/dsp, nothing else can until you close it | 02:54 |
| Robot101 | and, OSS sucks | 02:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | and it gives you brilliant control over hardware. | 02:54 |
| Robot101 | ALSA is more complicated but thats the reality of things | 02:54 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: oh sorry, I mean mix0 | 02:55 |
| luke-jr | wtf is mix0 | 02:55 |
| Robot101 | anyway, whatever. off topic for here, I don't care what you think of alsa or gstreamer if you're wrong. :P | 02:55 |
| Shapeshifter | oss' mixer device. | 02:55 |
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| Shapeshifter | but meh. | 02:55 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: am I wrong? gstreamer *doesn't* depend on libglib? | 02:55 |
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| Shapeshifter | alsa doesn't mix at all. you need shitty pulse as another layer | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm... | 02:56 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: nonsense | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | t-mobile PAYG | 02:56 |
| tbf | luke-jr: if you refuse to use g*, you instantly must stop using Qt! | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Fair-use 1G/mo | 02:56 |
| luke-jr | tbf: no | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | 20 quid for 6 months!!! | 02:56 |
| tbf | luke-jr: as its main loop has some gmainloop integration | 02:56 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: wtf? | 02:56 |
| luke-jr | tbf: not mine | 02:56 |
| luke-jr | USE=-glib kthx | 02:56 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: well, maybe we're just cross-unlucky. I all know is I block all alsa kernel modules, run oss as a daemon and bang every single app on my machine mixes. | 02:56 |
| tbf | luke-jr: quite stupid | 02:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: https://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/payg/boosters/ 6 month internet plus booster | 02:57 |
| tbf | luke-jr: as this prevents you to reuse libraries using dbus-glib internally | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin | 02:57 |
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| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: beginning with 1.0.9rc2, Dmix is enabled by default | 02:57 |
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| luke-jr | tbf: good, I don't want such on my system anyway | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | tbf: I have libglib masked | 02:57 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: for some reason, alsa failed me on 3 boxes. | 02:58 |
| luke-jr | so it will never be installed | 02:58 |
| tbf | luke-jr: F***! you use >>>G<<<entoo1 | 02:58 |
| tbf | luke-jr: it starts with "G"! :-D | 02:58 |
| mikhas | but he dislikes it =p | 02:58 |
| luke-jr | tbf: Gentoo doesn't match g* | 02:58 |
| * SpeedEvil may not bother trying to work out other internet. | 02:59 | |
| AakashPatel | :0 | 02:59 |
| AakashPatel | can fring let me video chat w/o buyin mins? | 02:59 |
| AakashPatel | like from phone to computer | 02:59 |
| luke-jr | tbf: I am case sensitive. :D | 02:59 |
| mikhas | fine, let's rename glib to ... wait for it ... Glib >=) | 03:00 |
| luke-jr | it will still be g*! | 03:00 |
| tbf | luke-jr: not sure if little penguins deserve a big "G" :-D | 03:00 |
| * mikhas stops now | 03:00 | |
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| luke-jr | tbf: the moment HURD surpasses Linux in functionality and reliability, I will switch | 03:01 |
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| AakashPatel | Hey which version of fring do i use for the n900? | 03:02 |
| luke-jr | wtf is fring | 03:03 |
| AakashPatel | fring.com | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | AakashPatel, none, Fring sucks. | 03:03 |
| AakashPatel | WHAT? | 03:03 |
| AakashPatel | thats shit | 03:03 |
| AakashPatel | idk what else to do lol | 03:03 |
| AakashPatel | thats easy | 03:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They installed the SDK repo in a .install in Diablo. | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't ever forgive them for the pain that caused. | 03:03 |
| AakashPatel | GeneralAntilles: help me figure out how i can video chat in gtalk or skype free then lol | 03:04 |
| Robot101 | AakashPatel: the device doesn't support video call atm | 03:04 |
| AakashPatel | :X | 03:04 |
| * AakashPatel keels over | 03:04 | |
| tbf | luke-jr: i've heard rumour maemo7 would use hurd | 03:05 |
| luke-jr | tbf: I think you just fabricated that rumour. | 03:05 |
| Robot101 | it has the hardware but not all the software bits | 03:05 |
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| tbf | luke-jr: damn. you are the better troll. | 03:05 |
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| * tbf raises white flag | 03:06 | |
| Robot101 | tbf: I heard about Nokia evaluating NetBSD though... :) | 03:06 |
| AakashPatel | hm how do i install xchat on this baby | 03:07 |
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| luke-jr | Robot101: crap, I don't know if you're serious or not. | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | AakashPatel: X-Chat sucks. | 03:07 |
| AakashPatel | haha everything sucks | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | :D | 03:07 |
| AakashPatel | what do i use for IRC then | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | Quassel or Konversation of course | 03:07 |
| derf | Don't listen to that fool. | 03:08 |
| derf | screen+irssi | 03:08 |
| luke-jr | no | 03:08 |
| luke-jr | irssi is g* | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | AakashPatel, it's still in Extras-devel. | 03:08 |
| derf | Folos don't get an opinion, sool. | 03:08 |
| AakashPatel | luke-jr: what do you use :) | 03:09 |
| luke-jr | AakashPatel: Konversation usually | 03:09 |
| luke-jr | 1.1 | 03:09 |
| Robot101 | AakashPatel: don't ask luke-jr's advice on software to run on maemo, he doesn't use it. | 03:10 |
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| Robot101 | AakashPatel: he's just here as some light entertainment | 03:10 |
| luke-jr | doesn't Maemo have its own IRC? | 03:10 |
| AakashPatel | LOLWHAT? | 03:10 |
| AakashPatel | I thought you had an N900 | 03:10 |
| AakashPatel | :P | 03:10 |
| luke-jr | AakashPatel: no, I have a N810, but it doesn't run Maemo | 03:11 |
| Robot101 | you can install telepathy-idle to support IRC, but the built-in conversations doesn't support multi-user chats yet so its not too useful | 03:11 |
| AakashPatel | GeneralAntilles: Okay, just got my n900 today, how do i brows "extras-devel" | 03:11 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: seriously? that's STILL missing in Maemo 5? | 03:11 |
| AakashPatel | browse* | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 03:11 |
| infobot | it has been said that extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 03:11 |
| AakashPatel | ooo | 03:11 |
| joerg_rw2 | Lucke-jr: you might use CP transport which probably would work over NAT | 03:12 |
| luke-jr | joerg_rw2: wtf is that? it's no longer really SIP at that point | 03:13 |
| AakashPatel | huh | 03:15 |
| AakashPatel | I search titles and descriptions for "IRC" | 03:15 |
| AakashPatel | no results | 03:15 |
| luke-jr | lol | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | AakashPatel, add the repository to the application manager. | 03:16 |
| AakashPatel | i enabled extras | 03:16 |
| AakashPatel | oh wait, extras-devel is different? | 03:16 |
| arachnist | yes | 03:16 |
| AakashPatel | i see | 03:16 |
| AakashPatel | sry | 03:16 |
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| luke-jr | extras-devel is "this is probably broken, don't try it" | 03:17 |
| arachnist | well | 03:18 |
| fchurca | Hi people | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | AakashPatel, the wiki link from infobot contains everything you need to know about the repos. | 03:18 |
| arachnist | luke-jr: with varying degrees of broken | 03:18 |
| fchurca | I'm an engineering student from Argentina. Does anyone know when the N900 release will be here? | 03:18 |
| luke-jr | fchurca: yesterday | 03:19 |
| fchurca | :O | 03:19 |
| AakashPatel | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/install/extras-devel.install | 03:19 |
| AakashPatel | erm | 03:19 |
| AakashPatel | wrong window | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | AakashPatel, just don't leave that repo enabled. | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get what you need and disable it. | 03:20 |
| AakashPatel | okay i will | 03:20 |
| jebbajeb | AakashPatel: i saw an irc plugin for conversations in -testing iirc | 03:20 |
| AakashPatel | Message extras-devel not avaiable on server" | 03:20 |
| AakashPatel | :/ | 03:20 |
| fchurca | luke-jr: most people "selling" the N900 here are unofficial importers. I was looking forward to an official release by Nokia or a service provider like Claro | 03:21 |
| luke-jr | fchurca: np, I was pulling that out of my butt | 03:21 |
| fchurca | ah hahaha | 03:21 |
| AakashPatel | GeneralAntilles: Is it normal for it to be down often? | 03:21 |
| jebbajeb | fchurca: it's not even listed on nokia shop's argentina page yet, not even preorder... | 03:21 |
| fchurca | How much does the N900 cost around there? (wherever "there" is) | 03:22 |
| jebbajeb | i got mine off mercadolibre.... | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | AakashPatel, lately, yes. | 03:22 |
| AakashPatel | I see :/ | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | fchurca: $500 to $1000 depending on "there" | 03:22 |
| jebbajeb | i'm using -devel repo fine right now fwiw. | 03:22 |
| fchurca | luke-jr: Is that in USD? | 03:23 |
| AakashPatel | yay | 03:23 |
| AakashPatel | it added this time | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | fchurca: yeah | 03:23 |
| fchurca | luke-jr: thx | 03:24 |
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| AakashPatel | yess xchat | 03:25 |
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| fchurca | Can one develop in the n900? does it have gcc and an editor? | 03:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | fchurca, you can install build-essential, yes. | 03:26 |
| luke-jr | fchurca: N900 is hardware. you mean Maemo 5 | 03:27 |
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| Archanamiya | !lol | 03:27 |
| ArchaBot | ╔══╗─╔═════╦══╗ | 03:27 |
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| fchurca | luke-jr: yes, you are correct. I mean the N900 out of the box with maemo | 03:27 |
| ArchaBot | ╚════╩═════╩════╝ | 03:27 |
| b-man17 | O.o | 03:27 |
| Archanamiya | xP | 03:27 |
| fchurca | GeneralAntilles: how does it behave? | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Archanamiya, no botspam, please. | 03:28 |
| Archanamiya | sry | 03:28 |
| Archanamiya | :P | 03:28 |
| fnordianslip | GeneralAntilles: is build-essential and its deps optified? | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | fchurca, fine, talk to lcuk, he does all of his dev work on the N900 | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | fnordianslip, no idea. | 03:28 |
| v2px_ | !die | 03:28 |
| * v2px_ sighs | 03:28 | |
| fnordianslip | k | 03:28 |
| Archanamiya | lawl | 03:28 |
| jebbajeb | i don't see gcc in any of the "stock" repos (-extras -testing -devel), but there's no reason it couldn't be added. Plenty of text editors. | 03:28 |
| Archanamiya | !stab infobot | 03:28 |
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| luke-jr | fchurca: I run Gentoo on my N810. | 03:29 |
| fchurca | luke-jr: sweet | 03:29 |
| fchurca | luke-jr: apart from debian and gentoo (and maemo), what else has been ported? | 03:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jebbajeb, SDK tools. | 03:30 |
| arachnist | fchurca: there was a port of android | 03:30 |
| jebbajeb | GeneralAntilles: ? | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | jebbajeb, it's in one of the SDK repos. | 03:31 |
| fchurca | seems it'll be nice | 03:31 |
| fchurca | can one do multiboot? | 03:31 |
| jebbajeb | fchurca: yes | 03:32 |
| fchurca | it'll be nice indeed :D | 03:32 |
| luke-jr | fchurca: to a degree | 03:32 |
| fchurca | can someone point me to the doc for that so i don't bother you through here? | 03:32 |
| jebbajeb | fchurca: https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 03:33 |
| fchurca | takk | 03:33 |
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| fchurca | jebbajeb: n900s on mercadolibre are way too expensive :S | 03:44 |
| fchurca | jebbajeb: I'll wait for an official release | 03:44 |
| jebbajeb | ya no kidding | 03:44 |
| fchurca | everyone: thanks for your time; i'm leaving | 03:45 |
| fchurca | see you soon! | 03:45 |
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| jebbajeb | hmm, could someone package up `less` pretty plz? | 03:52 |
| jebbajeb | :) | 03:52 |
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| fnordianslippers | jebbajeb: more is less | 04:01 |
| fnordianslippers | ish | 04:01 |
| jebbajeb | fnordianslippers: uh, yes, more certainly is less than less... even after I wrote that I went straight to my terminal and typed `less xorg.conf`. It's pretty ingrained in me. | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | err - less is there | 04:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | apt-get install less | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | well - after you've setup the right repos | 04:04 |
| jebbajeb | SpeedEvil: which is the right repo in this case? | 04:04 |
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| jebbajeb | (don't see it in extras or extras-testing... I disabled -devel for now, i'll go see if it's there= | 04:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | /etc/apt/sources.list | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | # fremantle tools | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I think | 04:06 |
| jebbajeb | ah cool thx, hadnt seen that repo. amassing lots of info at the moment... | 04:07 |
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| jebbajeb | a real `top` ps free df etc would be nice instead of busybox versions too | 04:08 |
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| aspidites | i've done some research and i see that efforts are being made to have hildonized widgets in qt. does anyone know if they are coming to pyqt or pyside at all? | 04:15 |
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| AakashN900 | yo | 04:16 |
| aspidites | hi | 04:16 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: they're fucking idiots | 04:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, agreed. | 04:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, no luck at all? | 04:27 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: oh, sorry, talking about the guys on tmo about the lawsuit | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 04:27 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: buying the mbp in a few minutes, got the cash from an atm and gave it to a colleague | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, sweet. | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Glossy or matte? | 04:28 |
| crashanddie | glossy | 04:28 |
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| aspidites | erm.. oops | 04:29 |
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| Sargun_Screen | pyay | 04:33 |
| Sargun_Screen | it works | 04:33 |
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| Sargun_Screen | doesm the n900 have a soft keyboard | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 04:38 |
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| jebbajeb | Sargun_Screen: yes, but i haven't used it. I've seen reference to it in settings as a preferred keyboard or somesuch | 04:39 |
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| Blast | Hello all... have a question... provided the N900 can vibrate... is there an API for that? | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 04:41 |
| * crashanddie imagines the creepiest thing "SOFT VIBRATOR" | 04:41 | |
| Flandry | oh great. Another guy writing a vibrator app | 04:41 |
| crashanddie | I'm going to change the vibrator motor and connect a much more powerful motor (like a windscreen wiper or something) | 04:42 |
| crashanddie | Then I'm going to write an app for it. There will be three settings on the vibrator: Courageous, Mental and Heroic | 04:43 |
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| Sargun_Screen | hey | 04:55 |
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| Klowner | this thing is coooool | 05:00 |
| microlith | :/ | 05:00 |
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| hashier | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/dbus-glib/dbus-binding-tool.html ohhh.... great doc "blablablalba" great! | 05:05 |
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| luke-jr | lol | 05:09 |
| luke-jr | that's what you get for using glib | 05:09 |
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| microlith | man, 16GB is so tiny | 05:13 |
| microlith | physically even | 05:14 |
| ShadowJK | anyone tried editing the mmc-mount script yet so it mounts ext3 cards? :> | 05:14 |
| arachnist | i have 64GB of space in my laptop | 05:14 |
| * ShadowJK has 40 in his N900 :-( | 05:14 | |
| ShadowJK | 32 in N800 | 05:14 |
| ShadowJK | 10 in N810 | 05:14 |
| microlith | eventually I shall have 48, when I get my hands on the N900 | 05:15 |
| Sargun_Screen | 38 in n900 | 05:15 |
| microlith | and my iPod will be retired permanently | 05:15 |
| clmntch | hello | 05:15 |
| Klowner | just got my N900, dunno what to do now | 05:15 |
| Sargun_Screen | my iPod was retired permanently... | 05:16 |
| microlith | hack the gibson, of course | 05:16 |
| Sargun_Screen | ...when I got it | 05:16 |
| jebbajeb | Klowner: add a bunch of repos and install everything you see | 05:16 |
| Sargun_Screen | .....With a sledgehammer | 05:16 |
| microlith | Sargun_Screen: tragic | 05:16 |
| Klowner | jebbajeb: is there a list of magical repos somewhere? | 05:17 |
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| ShadowJK | extras is safe, extras-testing is less safe, extras-devel is least safe | 05:17 |
| ShadowJK | they're probably on wiki.maemo.org ;) | 05:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 05:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I bought a US/EU adaptor for the Summit, now I've lost it. | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | 48 | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a question | 05:19 |
| arachnist | Klowner: configure some sharing accounts, configure your IM's | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | where should I report simple short bugreports about maemo on N900? | 05:19 |
| arachnist | configure your email, calendar | 05:19 |
| arachnist | import contacts from your old phone | 05:20 |
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| arachnist | merge contact (phone/email/im) | 05:20 |
| Sargun_Screen | DocScrutinizer: hey | 05:20 |
| arachnist | Klowner: should be enough to make you busy for the next few hours | 05:20 |
| Sargun_Screen | are you going to put fso on the n900 | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | like "N900 unlock screen doesn't dim, when regularly touched. Expected: screen goes dim after few seconds, if not correctly unlocked. Found: screen light stays on, consuming power, when touched" | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://bugs.maemo.org/ | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 05:22 |
| arachnist | ShadowJK: it looks like all you should have to change in the mmc-mount script is replacing "vfat" with "auto" | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | another one I just want to discuss before I report: | 05:22 |
| ShadowJK | arachnist, I thought so too | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | dialer doesn't take "*100#" | 05:23 |
| arachnist | DocScrutinizer: there's a bug for that | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 05:23 |
| Klowner | hrrrm, skype calls and nobody can hear me, that's not great | 05:23 |
| Klowner | I hope I didn't get a bad mic one | 05:23 |
| arachnist | DocScrutinizer: btw, if you really have to, there's a way to just enter it using AT commands | 05:24 |
| arachnist | bug 5357 | 05:24 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# | 05:24 |
| Sargun_Screen | i wish the n900 had a soft cover | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: (vfat/auto) good idea. found that as well | 05:24 |
| Sargun_Screen | liie the n810 | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: (AT, 5357) is the way to directly interface modem AT interface mentioned in this bug? | 05:25 |
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| arachnist | DocScrutinizer: /dev/ppp ? | 05:26 |
| arachnist | (though i suspected something more like /dev/tty*) | 05:27 |
| jebbajeb | Klowner: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing that's one to start with | 05:27 |
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| arachnist | Klowner: i had no problems with calling people over skype that used their PCs | 05:28 |
| arachnist | Klowner: calling people using fring on windows mobile didn't work well, though | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: hmm, not quite obvious | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | the mentioned russian site says ""dbus-send --system --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:"$1" uint32:0"" | 05:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't get any of the rest | 05:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: and /dev/ppp most likely is the data channel of the gsm07muxer | 05:33 |
| arachnist | hmm | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | if not a completely separate physical interface of the modem | 05:34 |
| arachnist | dunno | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, for sure I could check and try all usual suspects in /dev | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I'd appreciate a short hint of someone knowing exactly which interface is AT | 05:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sargun_Screen: (FSO) Probably not anytime soon. Maybe FSO team might consider to do so | 05:38 |
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| Sargun_Screen | did they ever port it to the palm pre? | 05:40 |
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| jebbajeb | looks like xchat crashes when you try to save preferences... | 05:40 |
| Klowner | grrr, mic better not be busted | 05:40 |
| jebbajeb | Klowner: you have headfones plugged in? you could also try a different app. Could just be skrype | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | different app could be "recorder". Just tested - works great | 05:44 |
| Klowner | headphone works, yelling at the device itself I hear nothing | 05:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Klowner: you're aware headset hat ships with N900 has a builtin mic? | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | in the clip | 05:48 |
| Klowner | correct, that works | 05:49 |
| Klowner | there's a mic IN the phone though, right? | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | or do you say you don't use headphones, and skype doesn't work with builtin device mic? | 05:49 |
| Klowner | correct | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, ure there is | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, can you place normal phonecalls? | 05:50 |
| Klowner | I have no sim yet | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems you should get one for 30min rather soon, to thoroughly test device | 05:51 |
| Klowner | is there another app to test audio input? | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | after a few weeks it's usually not that easy to get a replacement rather than a repair | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | record should work for builtin as well I guess | 05:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lemme try... | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | works great | 05:53 |
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| Klowner | in an extras repos? | 05:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (extras) possibly | 05:57 |
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| jebba900 | wow supertux runs great | 05:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Klowner: "Voice Recorder" 0.3.2 - alas the prog.manager doesn't tell me which repo it's from | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 06:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually repo management in progman isn't that great | 06:01 |
| Klowner | it's in maemo extras | 06:02 |
| Klowner | and I'm not hearing anything | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, expected that | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohhh | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's actually strange | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | with headset it works? | 06:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | (record via headset mic, playback with hs unplugged) | 06:03 |
| Klowner | yeah | 06:03 |
| Klowner | yep, works fine through the headset | 06:04 |
| Klowner | playback through headset and device both work | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds actually like a borked digital mic | 06:04 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if the missing SIM / disabled phone might... o.O | 06:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | s/phone/modem | 06:05 |
| jebba900 | klowner you could try a good ol reboot (i say with dread). could just be pulseaudio | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 06:06 |
| jebba900 | problem is more likely software than hardware | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | most usually | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | mic's been tested a few days ago. Worked back when | 06:07 |
| jebba900 | hah. volume rocker in xchat flips thru channels | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaaaah, xchat, my love. Almost forgot to give you a try | 06:09 |
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| Klowner | reboot did nothin | 06:10 |
| Klowner | there seems to be a lot of people with bad mics on the forums | 06:10 |
| Klowner | dangit | 06:10 |
| * Arkenoi looked closely at the screen - one week of use, one minor scratch. if the rate keeps the screen will look damn ugly at the end of year. any advices? is there a way to remove scratches later? | 06:11 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, don't put sand in your pockets? | 06:11 |
| Arkenoi | i doubt it was there. i am pretty sure there was nothing except the phone itself in that pocket. | 06:13 |
| jebba900 | docscrutinizer: saving prefs crashes though. Also ddont see how to do tab for nick completion | 06:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, I've had it since September and don't have any scratches. | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba900: for tab I defined another key on N810 | 06:15 |
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| jebba900 | £ and € would be good candidates for tab and pipe. How do you change 'em? | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so good so far | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | guess I edited the xchat config file | 06:18 |
| jebba900 | ah, just in xchat not systemwide ? | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Klowner: ouch. share pointer? | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba900: yes | 06:19 |
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| jebba900 | in maemomaps the only way i can figure out how to leave is to open the camera! | 06:19 |
| greenfly | jebba900: probably can use the ctrl-bksp thing too | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, hit upper left, the eventually a screen with close X shows up | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ovi Maps is junk | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't bother with it. | 06:20 |
| jebba900 | heh nice thx. lots to learn still | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/left/right | 06:20 |
| Arkenoi | well, i think i am going to buy a case, i guess iphone one with elastic sides may fit | 06:21 |
| jebba900 | i was using maemomaps. gpx or something worked great then i realized it was just a treasure hunting game or somesuch | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: seems hard to slide out kbd then | 06:22 |
| jebba900 | also there is openstreetmaps EDITOR which may be usable. Not sure wwhich is best yet | 06:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jebba900: as I said: hit "daa didididit" opper right, then hit X same location | 06:23 |
| Arkenoi | will see how it fits. i hope i can find one which is easy to open and take the phone out | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Case seems rather pointless | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Screen protector is the way to go. | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bonus: glare and smudge reduction | 06:24 |
| Arkenoi | actually if n900 screen is the same plastic used in e90, it is quite hard to scratch and the scratch i got must be accidental | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully Boxwave will have one soon. | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm thinking about a screen protector foil | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | did a good job on N810 | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | though there I disassembled screen to pace the foil under the bezel | 06:25 |
| Arkenoi | it should be ok to take a psp screen protector and cut it to fit n900 | 06:26 |
| Firebird | where did you get transparent foil? | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just buy one that'll actually fit. | 06:26 |
| Arkenoi | general: i doubt i can find one in a local store soon and cutting is not hard part at all | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | got me a one-size-fits-all kit in local electronics store | 06:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cutting wasn't hard, as I didn't have to cut to exact size, as mentioned above | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | got two microbubbles though :-/ | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course the device looks a loot less shiny and the screen less crisp | 06:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and ts sensitivity is somewhat reduced | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm still pondering... | 06:32 |
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| Sargun_Screen | DocScrutinizer: what do you put your n900 inside of? | 06:35 |
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| jebba900 | wow canola looks nice | 06:36 |
| jebba900 | your pocket! | 06:36 |
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| Klowner | welp, looks like the mic doesn't work | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's awesome. | 06:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It almost seems like Nokia cranked down the QC in favor of meeting demand. | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | lol | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | N810 mic doesn't work with non-Maemo yet | 06:44 |
| greenfly | what I keep wondering is whether it's hardware or whether it's the mixer levels for that mic | 06:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | greenfly, well, reflashes haven't solved it. | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it seems like it's hardware. | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, dunno. | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | ... | 06:45 |
| Klowner | poking around in alsamixer didn't help | 06:45 |
| greenfly | but if they reflashed with the same firmware | 06:45 |
| greenfly | that had the problem | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | reflashes won't help if it defaults to muted | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | greenfly, well, I'm running that firmware on my device and the mic works fine. | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, no, that doesn't really explain it. | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | and lots of other people with retail firmware have mics that work fine, too. | 06:45 |
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| luke-jr | hm | 06:47 |
| greenfly | I'm just saying it could be explained by either | 06:47 |
| greenfly | if we had pulse mixer controls on it... | 06:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If it were firmware, EVERY device would have the issue. | 06:48 |
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| arachnist | i have no problems with mic either | 06:49 |
| DangerMaus | Klowner, fedex give you your fix? | 06:49 |
| Klowner | DangerMaus: yes, and the mic isn't working | 06:50 |
| DangerMaus | hmmm | 06:52 |
| jebba900 | hmm. Somehow admin@online.gnome.org made it into my Contacts list. They are listed as being in Villa Crespo, Argentina which I seriously doubt... | 06:52 |
| DangerMaus | i didnt check that yet | 06:52 |
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| DangerMaus | stupid left thumb just cant hit the pad rite | 06:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Nokia Blog so stole my story. | 07:00 |
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| Klowner | this is almost more frustrating than waiting for this darn thing | 07:01 |
| DangerMaus | bloody hell no tab on the hardware kb? | 07:02 |
| jebba900 | no pipe either heh | 07:03 |
| Proteous | no alt | 07:04 |
| jebba900 | would be nice to remap £€. Dont dare tread into xmodmap territory yet tho | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | DangerMaus, just rebind it. | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Details on maemo-developers. | 07:04 |
| jaem | morning... | 07:05 |
| * DangerMaus never figured out xmodmap or re editing keymaps | 07:05 | |
| DangerMaus | just always wound up with busted keymaps | 07:06 |
| jaem | has anyone here been working with Qt on the N900? | 07:06 |
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| jaem | I need to do conditional compilation with the Q_WS_HILDON #define, as mentioned on the Maemo wiki, but I think I'm not understanding that fully | 07:06 |
| jaem | is that set automatically based on the port of Qt that you're building against, or do you have to set it manually somewhere? | 07:07 |
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| Venomrush | in silient mode when u browse youtube | 07:09 |
| Venomrush | does it meant to give sound? | 07:09 |
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| jaem | Venomrush, are you saying it is making noise, or asking if it should? | 07:10 |
| Venomrush | asking if it should | 07:11 |
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| Venomrush | i expect in silent mode | 07:11 |
| Venomrush | no sound wat soever | 07:11 |
| Venomrush | except music play | 07:12 |
| jaem | Venomrush, I believe silent/general is for notifications, vs the slider for user volume | 07:12 |
| jaem | a bit counterinuitive for most phones | 07:12 |
| jaem | then again, my old phone had "silent" and "vibrate" mode, where vibrate==silent, and silent==*mostly* silent | 07:12 |
| jaem | lol | 07:12 |
| jaem | so... | 07:12 |
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| johnx | allo | 07:23 |
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| Klowner | how the heck do you have a $0.50 component be busted and not know it | 07:26 |
| johnx | hmm? | 07:26 |
| Klowner | My N900 mic doesn't work and I'm pissed | 07:27 |
| johnx | which $.50 component of mine is busted? | 07:27 |
| johnx | Klowner, were you the one asking on the forum? | 07:27 |
| Klowner | no | 07:27 |
| johnx | ah | 07:27 |
| Klowner | it appears I'm not the only one | 07:27 |
| cehteh | many people have that problem | 07:27 |
| Xisdibik | Is the default weather app good? or is another one in the repos a better deal? | 07:27 |
| johnx | Xisdibik, omweather | 07:28 |
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| ersin | hi everyone | 07:28 |
| johnx | good morning ersin | 07:29 |
| ersin | i have python2.5 installed in scratchbox, but when i compile part of the program seems to be detecting scratchbox's python2.3 package, because my build chokes when ld tries to link to the python2.3 libs but can't find them | 07:30 |
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| ersin | then i tried to look for libpython2.3* under /scratchbox, but i couldn't find it | 07:30 |
| jebba900 | klowner you got url to others with same prob? | 07:30 |
| Klowner | jebba900: yep, there's some on the nokia forums, and maemo forums | 07:31 |
| jebba900 | url? | 07:31 |
| Klowner | jebba900: and people on twitter.. | 07:31 |
| ersin | any ideas? | 07:31 |
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| Klowner | jebba900: http://discussions.nokiausa.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=maemo&thread.id=68 | 07:31 |
| Klowner | jebba900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35075 | 07:31 |
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| cehteh | is it possible to change the fontsize globally? | 07:34 |
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| jebba900 | not that ive seen re: fontsize | 07:35 |
| cehteh | mhm | 07:36 |
| cehteh | idea .. | 07:36 |
| johnx | cehteh, maybe in a theme? | 07:36 |
| cehteh | works :) | 07:36 |
| cehteh | i didnt really expect it .. i changed the -dpi of the Xserver in the SDK | 07:37 |
| cehteh | you likely can change that on the real device too | 07:37 |
| DangerMaus | Klowner, checked my mic and it works in the voice recorder | 07:37 |
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| DangerMaus | no sim atm | 07:38 |
| Klowner | lucky | 07:38 |
| DangerMaus | still trying to recover skype passwd | 07:38 |
| ersin | anybody at all know why the app i'm trying to compile is trying to link with python2.3 libs or where i can get python2.3 libs? | 07:38 |
| ersin | (in scratchbox?) | 07:38 |
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| cehteh | now i would like to know how to send a 'return' keystroke in pidgin | 07:42 |
| cehteh | ctrl-ret doesnt work | 07:42 |
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| cehteh | (SDK) | 07:42 |
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| jebba900 | cehteh, try sliding out the keyboard and see if that changes behaviour | 07:44 |
| cehteh | sdk! | 07:44 |
| cehteh | i dont have a device yet | 07:44 |
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| DangerMaus | heh | 07:45 |
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| cehteh | well if anyone of you want to try .. you can change the fontsizes globally by forcing the xserver to a different dpi setting | 07:48 |
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| Xisdibik_N900 | :) | 07:59 |
| Xisdibik | yay, xchat setup :D | 07:59 |
| microlith | cool | 08:04 |
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| DangerMaus | Xisdibik what repo is xchat in? | 08:10 |
| ersin | ok so i've installed python2.3 and /usr/lib/libpython2.3* is present, but when i run ld -lpython2.3 it still says that it "cannot be found" | 08:11 |
| ersin | any ideas? | 08:11 |
| ersin | /usr/lib is in LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 08:11 |
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| Xisdibik | DangerMaus: devel afaik | 08:14 |
| DangerMaus | crap | 08:14 |
| Xisdibik | DangerMaus: did you get your n900 today? :D | 08:15 |
| DangerMaus | not ready to play there yet | 08:15 |
| DangerMaus | :) | 08:15 |
| Xisdibik | ive only played with select things there | 08:15 |
| DangerMaus | and the Mic works | 08:15 |
| Xisdibik | xchat, and telepathy haze to be exact | 08:15 |
| DangerMaus | back to the 770 for xchat | 08:16 |
| DangerMaus | brb grabbing skyp stuff from rents puter | 08:17 |
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| jaem | ersin, eek, that's old | 08:19 |
| jaem | probably not easily | 08:19 |
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| Klowner | guess I'll call nokia care in the morning | 08:22 |
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| tekojo | Morning! | 08:23 |
| tekojo | Klowner what's the problem? | 08:23 |
| ersin | jaem: i think i narrowed it to finding the python2.3-dev package | 08:23 |
| Klowner | dead mic | 08:23 |
| Klowner | just reflashed the firmware too, still nothi | 08:24 |
| ersin | openoffice is detecting python2.3 in some random places...it's a very difficult package to build, i already had to make gcc 4.2 =/ | 08:24 |
| tekojo | ok, then it sounds dead | 08:24 |
| tekojo | bummer | 08:24 |
| Klowner | I got finger prints aaaaaaall over it | 08:25 |
| ersin | does ANYONE know where i can download python2.3-dev???? | 08:25 |
| johnx | ersin, for maemo4 or maemo5 sdk? | 08:27 |
| ersin | maemo4 | 08:27 |
| ersin | i've combed all the repository.maemo.org dirs as well as gronmayer.lt | 08:27 |
| ersin | the closest i got is this: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/unstable/4.0beta/content-comparison-3.2-to-4.0beta.html | 08:28 |
| ersin | it looks like python2.3-dev was removed after the 3.2 sdk | 08:28 |
| ersin | but i can't find it any bora/mistral repos... | 08:28 |
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| johnx | errr, earlier I thought you *didn't* want python2.3? | 08:30 |
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| jaem | ersin, it probably was | 08:31 |
| ersin | no no | 08:31 |
| Klowner | gah, did talk.maemo.org just take a dump? | 08:31 |
| jaem | and you don't want to try to install packages that old | 08:31 |
| jaem | what? | 08:31 |
| ersin | i *do* want it | 08:31 |
| ersin | openoffice is detecting it for some reason | 08:31 |
| ersin | because that's the default python version in maemo4 scratchbox sdk | 08:31 |
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| ersin | despite the fact that i've already installed python2.5 from extras in my scratchbox, it's detecting the default, which is python2.3 | 08:32 |
| johnx | so, just modify openoffice's build scripts to explicitly call python2.5 | 08:32 |
| ersin | heh yeah easier said than done... | 08:32 |
| johnx | no kidding :) | 08:32 |
| ersin | such a convoluted build process | 08:32 |
| ersin | this thing is a monster | 08:32 |
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| ersin | and i have no idea why it would detect the older version | 08:32 |
| johnx | I looked at OO.o's build system once and decided that abiword was probably good enough for me | 08:32 |
| johnx | if you type "python -V" what does it say? | 08:33 |
| ersin | well i did the most recent abiword port, which is quite nice | 08:33 |
| ersin | and i'm trying to get OOo for my next project ;-) | 08:33 |
| ersin | whoa | 08:33 |
| ersin | python -v says "Python 2.3.4" | 08:33 |
| johnx | yeah | 08:33 |
| ersin | but i definitely have python2.5 as well | 08:33 |
| johnx | that's why it's finding python 2.3 :) | 08:34 |
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| DangerMaus | ^^ | 08:34 |
| ersin | oh wow stupid path order | 08:34 |
| ersin | it's looking for the scratchbox stuff first, duh | 08:34 |
| johnx | so, maybe tweak OO.o's build to explicitly call python2.5 in place of python2.3? or maybe some hacking with alias or something? /me shrugs | 08:34 |
| ersin | no i'll just switch the path order, that should do it | 08:35 |
| ersin | i hope...heh | 08:35 |
| DMaus_990 | Xisdibik_N900: | 08:35 |
| DMaus_990 | :) | 08:35 |
| johnx | danger danger :) other things in sb will probably fail after that, but it's worth a shot | 08:35 |
| ersin | but why would scratchbox sdk ship with python2.3 but not have the dev libs?? | 08:35 |
| johnx | for the same reason that I gave up on sb years ago | 08:35 |
| ersin | hah! and how do you do maemo dev then? | 08:36 |
| johnx | because it's a little bit too complicated for its own good (IMHO) | 08:36 |
| johnx | I hack on mer stuff. :) | 08:36 |
| ersin | nice | 08:36 |
| ersin | how's that coming along these days? | 08:36 |
| johnx | a little slow. could always use more hands :) | 08:36 |
| ersin | like on what? | 08:37 |
| ersin | (in particular) | 08:37 |
| DMaus_990 | if.at.first.u.dont suceed simply ssh home and reattach to irssi | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | irssi ftl | 08:37 |
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| Xisdibik_N900 | dmausm:) | 08:38 |
| johnx | ersin, hmm, packaging, hacking on the non-3D accelerated version of the desktop | 08:38 |
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| johnx | if you're interested in kernel level stuff, there's a little bit to do there before we can move on from 2.6.21 | 08:39 |
| Xisdibik_N900 | Dmaus_990 :) | 08:39 |
| johnx | uhm, in either case, sound stuff could use work (pulse-dsp) | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | johnx: "a little bit" does not explain the extent of the necessary reverse engineering well | 08:40 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, shhh. 'em in the door first, then scare them after that :) | 08:40 |
| ersin | is the main difficulty because mer needs to reverse engineer the closed source nokia bins? | 08:40 |
| ersin | hahahah | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | ersin: Mer doesn't *need* to reverse *all* of them <.< | 08:41 |
| cehteh | there kernel itself is told to be not tained | 08:41 |
| ersin | oh i'm interested already...i probably won't be able to start for a while because i'm in the middle of grad program apps and, ofc, porting ooo ;) | 08:41 |
| cehteh | there are prolly some firmware blobs which are poked into the DSP and stuff | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | OOo ftl | 08:41 |
| ersin | lol | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | yeah, I don't mind the firmware blobs too much | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | biggest #1 blob problem is gpsdriver | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | after that, BME | 08:41 |
| johnx | cehteh, yeah, I believe we're missing the DSP tasks themselves, so no sound for right now | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | and finally GLES libs | 08:42 |
| cehteh | hehe .. and dont forget about hacking baseband :P | 08:42 |
| luke-jr | not-so-important are firmware blobs and NOLO | 08:42 |
| cehteh | that will make some people really angry | 08:42 |
| luke-jr | johnx: sound output works fine on 2.6.30 | 08:42 |
| Xisdibik | i thought there was a SNES emulator in the repos, is it not ready yet? | 08:42 |
| luke-jr | johnx: for N810 at least | 08:42 |
| johnx | luke-jr, on the N810 it does. On the N800 I believe it doesn't | 08:42 |
| johnx | right | 08:42 |
| cehteh | if anyone of you guys does kernel hacking and needs git hosting space, i would donate it | 08:42 |
| johnx | Xisdibik, I think emulators got pulled from the repos (unless I'm confused) | 08:42 |
| Xisdibik | johnx: theres a Sega emulator in it | 08:43 |
| johnx | cehteh, we have git hosting. we need kernel hackers :) | 08:43 |
| johnx | thought thanks for the offer | 08:43 |
| cehteh | well we need devices :) | 08:43 |
| johnx | Xisdibik, in Extras or Extras-(devel|testing)? | 08:43 |
| cehteh | at least me | 08:43 |
| johnx | cehteh, if you want to hack on kernel stuff for the N8x0, I can send you an N800 :) | 08:44 |
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| Xisdibik | johnx: i thing testing | 08:44 |
| cehteh | ok i am not that much kernel hacker, but just maintaining a vanilla kernel + maemo stuff merged in to stay on the top without any other invasive changes would be nice | 08:44 |
| cehteh | and maybe then hist a deb repository with some kernel images .. encryption enabled, ipv6 (if it isnt already) and so on | 08:45 |
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| cehteh | johnx: well so far i am not even sure if i will keep the n900 .. somewhat nice to see and watch while waiting for the device | 08:45 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: Maemo kernel stuff is not legit, so we can't do that :p | 08:46 |
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| cehteh | luke-jr: what? | 08:46 |
| cehteh | its GPL | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: and big companies think they're above GPL | 08:46 |
| cehteh | yeah .. no one succeeded with that | 08:46 |
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| luke-jr | Nokia's a little better, but not totally clean | 08:46 |
| cehteh | yes | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: few fail at ignoring Linux GPL | 08:47 |
| cehteh | but the very much depend on a n900 deveoper community | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: unfortunately, most of the developer community doesn't care | 08:47 |
| cehteh | when they start bashing them they can only loose ... and they know that | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | I think N900 kernel is 100% legit tho | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: there's at most 10 people I've met that actually care | 08:48 |
| cehteh | i rather wonder why nokia doesnt host a kernel git | 08:48 |
| luke-jr | well, with N900 kernel stuff, it's supposedly been merging to mainline... | 08:48 |
| luke-jr | no idea how realistic that worked out | 08:49 |
| cehteh | because the sources are open and its easy to diff them against vanilla .. its just a *bit* pita to merge and maintian their changes if there are any | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | honestly, Nokia made a lot of improvement on the Linux end with N900 now that I think of it | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | but N8x0 are left in the dust | 08:49 |
| cehteh | i expect there are some changes .. but there is no black magic and even if its not going to be merged by linus the community should at least maintain their own public kernel repository | 08:50 |
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| cehteh | of course there is more for a free phone than just a free kernel, but whatever is reachable should be done | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: Nokia had an open wifi driver developed for the N8x0 a while back | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | that finally got put into mainline staging for 2.6.31 | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | or maybe 2.6.30 | 08:51 |
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| luke-jr | but it was removed from 2.6.32 due to not progressing | 08:51 |
| johnx | strangely for a linux device, it seems the N8x0 didn't attract a huge kernel hacker community | 08:51 |
| cehteh | for example i want btrfs and encryption soon | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: if you just want a free phone, OpenMoko seems the way to go ;) | 08:51 |
| cehteh | i know some people using then n800 | 08:51 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: bad experiences from Sharp et al? | 08:51 |
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| cehteh | well i want a free useable phone .. and i am willing to make some compromises | 08:52 |
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| cehteh | but having a free kernel is an requirement for sustainablility of the device | 08:52 |
| johnx | luke-jr, Sharp was worse than negligent in working with the community. They were actively harmful, But at the same time, the Zaurii have a more recent kernel | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | I'm willing to compromise hardware schematics ;) | 08:52 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: yeah, just saying maybe some of the guys who bought them said "never again" | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: IMO, free hardware support. | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: which Nokia actively refuses to provide for all models AFAIK | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | in part, PowerVR and TI are to blame, of course. | 08:54 |
| cehteh | yes, prolly by some NDA's they had to sign :P | 08:54 |
| johnx | luke-jr, very possible, but pretty much every zaurus has a more recent kernel than the N8x0 or 770 | 08:54 |
| cehteh | but at least they should do and support what they can do | 08:54 |
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| cehteh | and so far it looks reasnonable good for the n900 | 08:54 |
| johnx | PowerVR licenses the driver to TI who distributes to Nokia, if I understand correctly | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: BME is 100% Nokia, but they refuse to give specs or code | 08:54 |
| cehteh | but we (the community) have to push them | 08:55 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, BME is also not necessary, just for running a new kernel, right? | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | johnx: of course it's necessary | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | nobody buys a handheld to run on AC power | 08:55 |
| johnx | s/BME/an open BME/ | 08:55 |
| infobot | johnx meant: luke-jr, an open BME is also not necessary, just for running a new kernel, right? | 08:55 |
| cehteh | BME is actually dangerous and looking at the US law system nokia better dont let kids play with it :) | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | johnx: mainline has clearly stated they will never merge pass-thru-to-blob-userland "drivers" | 08:56 |
| cehteh | while it would be nice to turn stolen n900 into bombs remotely :P | 08:56 |
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| luke-jr | cehteh: does the US law system differentiate between C code and ARM code? | 08:57 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: not to mention when the next ABI change comes around | 08:57 |
| johnx | cehteh, chances of blowing up: relatively low. chances of damaging the battery: meh. | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | chances of blowing up blindly reverse engineering a blob: relatively low | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | chances of blowing up reading over well-commented C code: almost none | 08:58 |
| cehteh | if anyone figures out how to 'improve' the charging circruit in some dangerous way .. or only let the cpu overheat or the brightness LED's wear out (not to talk about the flash) then someone will certaily sue nokia for allowing that happen | 08:58 |
| johnx | luke-jr, we can workaround the ABI stuff (the same way we do now). Can the 2.6.21 patches that support BME be applied to 2.6.3x? | 08:58 |
| johnx | cehteh, nah. I don't really buy it. Think of all the people who bricked their Linksys routers :) | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | I know | 08:59 |
| cehteh | since the kernel (including the blob loaders and control modules) are GPL it shoudl be possible to maintain them with an actual kernel | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | I'll find a 0-day exploit in N900's kernel, remote into every N900 over GSM, and make them ALL blow up | 09:00 |
| cehteh | with more or less work | 09:00 |
| cehteh | someone just have to do that | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: N8x0 kernel is *not* GPL | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | or rather, it should be, but we don't have code | 09:00 |
| johnx | luke-jr, huh? to what part? | 09:00 |
| cehteh | well someone sue nokia them :P | 09:00 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: cx3110x's umac thing | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: nobody's sued nVidia | 09:00 |
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| luke-jr | and it can't be just anyone | 09:01 |
| cehteh | does nvidia ship devices with the blob preinstalled? | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | it needs to be a copyright holder | 09:01 |
| johnx | we have a newer/better wifi driver anyways | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: nope, irrelevant | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | johnx: but no combination actually works yet | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | johnx: also, last time I tried stlc45xx it didn't work | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | p54spi was even worse | 09:02 |
| cehteh | well not exactly, bad practice yes, maybe not even compliant with the GPL but you dont get a GPL violation at first .. you admit violating the GPL by installing the nvidia driver by yourself | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: installing the driver is not violation; distributing it is | 09:02 |
| cehteh | yes | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | nVidia distributes it plenty | 09:02 |
| ersin | sue the bastards! | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | I lack a copyright on Linux :( | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | not to mention funds for a lawsuit | 09:03 |
| ersin | oh, right | 09:03 |
| ersin | *returns to spectating* | 09:03 |
| cehteh | rather linus unpolitical views | 09:03 |
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| cehteh | anyways nvidia is bad, we know that | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | Linus blocked merging a patch to refuse to load them :/ | 09:04 |
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| cehteh | i dunno about the n8x0 kernel | 09:04 |
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| cehteh | but for the n900 kernel we should at least to as much as is possible to maintain it freely | 09:04 |
| johnx | yeah, should be a much better situation with the N900 | 09:05 |
| johnx | especially with all the other systems sharing the OMAP3 processors | 09:05 |
| cehteh | n8x0 had no competition .. | 09:05 |
| denniscollective | how do how do I sync an n900 with linux? | 09:05 |
| cehteh | with n900 they have a lot competition | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: they do? | 09:05 |
| cehteh | as 'smartphone' | 09:06 |
| brbrbr | i put more hope on alternatives to Linus kernel, after Alan Kox self-dismissal. like linuz fors nad BSD/Viengoose | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: N900 isn't a smartphone | 09:06 |
| cehteh | even if nokia says so .. look at the forums | 09:06 |
| Xisdibik_N900 | lu | 09:06 |
| cehteh | people either buy it because its freer OR because they want a nice smartphone | 09:06 |
| brbrbr | even Debian moved[slowly]to kFreeBSD | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: or the same reason they bought a N810... | 09:06 |
| cehteh | no one buys it because its a 'internet tablet' | 09:06 |
| Xisdibik_N900 | hmm | 09:07 |
| johnx | brbrbr, moved? or you mean supported? | 09:07 |
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| brbrbr | i like N800. this just lack of good[small and robust enough, like HTC one]AUX IR keyboard | 09:07 |
| cehteh | well the n810 and so one didnt sold *that* well .. nokia expects to sell the n900 1000 times more | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: I'll probably move to OpenPandora | 09:08 |
| johnx | brbrbr, is a bluetooth keyboard ok? | 09:08 |
| cehteh | and the users (that are we) have to make it clear to nokia that the 'free' is a important decision in buying their thing | 09:08 |
| brbrbr | johnx yeah, but Squeeze maybe last Debian with linux naziware inside. wonder what shurtlleworth can do in THAT case ;) moving to Fedora ? :) | 09:08 |
| rashed2020 | What exactly should Nokia do with Maemo to crush all other mobile OSs. I'm reading up on it and it really doesn't seem that hard to do with Nokia's reach. | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: those of us who demand free are too few | 09:08 |
| brbrbr | johnx, no its NOT ok. have size of 3x N800 and have BAD keys | 09:08 |
| johnx | brbrbr, uh huh. right. link to the announcement on the debian mailing list? | 09:08 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: of users maybe .. but talk about developers .. | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | rashed2020: Mobile OS ftl :) | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: developers too | 09:09 |
| johnx | brbrbr, you mean the foldable ones? which IR keyboard are you thinking about? | 09:09 |
| rashed2020 | luke-jr: What do you mean? | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: they're always bashing me for being a "zealot" | 09:09 |
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| brbrbr | no, but kFreeBSD declared "mission critical", so Squeeze not out, before kFreeBSD was polished out too | 09:09 |
| Tyrant91101 | Is there any work around for the n810 for the flasher error "Error claiming USB interface: device or resource busy" ? | 09:09 |
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| cehteh | i didnt seen much developers yet who look at maemo for closed sourced apps | 09:09 |
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| luke-jr | cehteh: no, tehy don't look FOR it, but they tolerate it | 09:10 |
| brbrbr | i mean something, what HTC ship with premium version of old O2 smartphones. about 1.5x size of ordinary PC's mouse | 09:10 |
| cehteh | the ones who aim for a business target apple or android, maybe port their stuff | 09:10 |
| johnx | Tyrant91101, uhm. which flasher version? which distro/kernel version? | 09:10 |
| denniscollective | can anyone reccomend a relatively painless way of syncing my n900 up with my linux laptop, the magic oracle google, wasn't being fruitful. | 09:10 |
| cehteh | denniscollective: syncing what? | 09:11 |
| Tyrant91101 | johnx: flasher-3.0, trying to install diablo, on FC12 livecd | 09:11 |
| johnx | Tyrant91101, might be worth trying flasher-3.5 | 09:11 |
| cehteh | denniscollective: rsync for files | 09:11 |
| brbrbr | i tried HTC kbd get to work with N800, but no luck[out of patience bedore] | 09:11 |
| cehteh | is there any more to sync than files? :) | 09:12 |
| denniscollective | Magic syncing calender stuff, cause its the future | 09:12 |
| johnx | brbrbr, I don't even know what keyboard you're talking about...and the N800 doesn't have IR | 09:12 |
| luke-jr | denniscollective: Git | 09:12 |
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| cehteh | ldap | 09:12 |
| denniscollective | git push calender.... | 09:12 |
| cehteh | hehe | 09:12 |
| denniscollective | so do it.... "IN THE CLOUD" | 09:12 |
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| luke-jr | I still use Subversion for my PIM data | 09:12 |
| luke-jr | though my latest calendar is git | 09:13 |
| denniscollective | wow. | 09:13 |
| Tyrant91101 | johnx: thank you didnt knwo newer version was released. Since they have one for Win7 maybe I can avoid using that dreaded FC12 ;p | 09:13 |
| johnx | denniscollective, not many good options right now I think. definitely not painless ones | 09:13 |
| denniscollective | checkout git clone git://github.com/denniscollective/lifestyle.git | 09:13 |
| denniscollective | cool, thanks everyone, thats unfortunate, but so is life. | 09:14 |
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| johnx | denniscollective, I think they might support google's implementation of exchange at some point. no announcement yet | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | denniscollective: hire me to write a PIM suite and I'll make sure it's painless ;) | 09:15 |
| denniscollective | I wish there were a convenient way for me to make my laptop, and phone play nice without letting google know, but I guess I should just surrender to the future/big brother | 09:16 |
| johnx | there actually are PIM apps that should be able to sync to some degree, kinda I think | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | denniscollective: seriously, git isn't *that* hard | 09:16 |
| denniscollective | luke-jr: what's your rate? | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | denniscollective: if I can GPL everything, I'll go down to $25/hr | 09:17 |
| denniscollective | i know, I use it all day | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | but I'm pretty busy with other work right now, so it might be a few months before I can really commit to it | 09:17 |
| johnx | though it's supposed to be evolution data server on the device, so maybe it's just a question of getting the desktop to talk to it or muck around with the right files | 09:17 |
| denniscollective | classy, when my website makes me a DOTCOM WEB3.0 BILLIONAIRE, I will finance it | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | hehe | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | sounds like we have similar ("not this moment") timeframes in mind | 09:18 |
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| denniscollective | yes. | 09:18 |
| denniscollective | luke-jr: can you make git play nice with the pretty pim applets? | 09:18 |
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| denniscollective | i just got my n900 today, so I haven't used the command line much, so I'm not terribly aware of how its set u[ | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | denniscollective: possibly, grab me a N900 and I'll see what I can do :p | 09:19 |
| denniscollective | when the magick timeline works out... | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | (my N810 doesn't have pim *anything*) | 09:19 |
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| denniscollective | ... is there a relatively painfree way for me to make the keyboard on my n900 dvorak, I don't want RSI. | 09:22 |
| johnx | actually, if the device uses evolution data server, why *can't* we sync it...? | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | denniscollective: RSI/dvorak/etc don't apply to handheld keyboards... | 09:23 |
| johnx | denniscollective, err, ukeyboard maybe? | 09:23 |
| luke-jr | I mean, yuo probably CAN | 09:23 |
| luke-jr | but you're typing with your thumbs, not your full set of fingers | 09:23 |
| luke-jr | if you want an optimized layout, it ain't going to be dvorak | 09:23 |
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| denniscollective | oh yeah, your right, one handed dvorak, then I'll only need to use 1 thumb. | 09:24 |
| Xisdibik | is javispedro a UKer? | 09:24 |
| Xisdibik | or euro for that matter | 09:24 |
| denniscollective | johnx: it uses evolution internally? wow, it'd be nice to make this happy. | 09:24 |
| johnx | yeah. so I think it might just be a question of ... exposing the filesystem to the desktop and letting the desktop handle it maybe? | 09:25 |
| johnx | haven't played with eds at all, but now I'm curious, because I'd like the same thing | 09:25 |
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| johnx | ideally I'd like to just sync it to *everything* to my hosted server w/ LDAP/CalDAV/IMAP | 09:26 |
| johnx | but one step at a time | 09:26 |
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| Xisdibik | If anyone is interested in subtitles in the standard media player, i have an enhancement post made :D | 09:33 |
| Xisdibik | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6464 | 09:33 |
| povbot | Bug 6464: Support Subtitles in Media Player | 09:33 |
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| cehteh | where is a repository for claws? | 09:37 |
| cehteh | or next question has garage a deb repository? | 09:37 |
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| Venomrush | voted | 09:39 |
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| Xisdibik | Venomrush: awesome thanks :) | 09:57 |
| Xisdibik | and with that im off to catch some Zzzz's night all | 09:58 |
| timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: how many did you find to change? | 09:58 |
| Xisdibik | mm i think like 5 | 09:58 |
| Xisdibik | i have the file on my desktop though | 09:58 |
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| johnx | mmm...vga video glasses getting down to $150 | 10:04 |
| johnx | my wife would kill me if I started wearing those everywhere :D | 10:04 |
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| DangerMaus | haha | 10:05 |
| johnx | really thought. vga has to be the absolute *lowest* resolution for that kind of thing that'd be worth it at all, so it's pretty cool to have them hit $150. Just need one of those one-handed keyboards ... | 10:06 |
| johnx | s/thought/though | 10:07 |
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| wrapster | ive written a python lib for which i needed a qt frontend.. it displays a list of processes running and param associated with it.. But im a total newbie to qt with abosolutely no knowledge of it.. can any one please give me some sort of push with regard to a template where I can hook in my methods so that it can be displayed on n900... | 10:07 |
| wrapster | its kinda urgent as well | 10:07 |
| wrapster | please. | 10:07 |
| johnx | wrapster, have you looked at qt designer? (I think that's the name) | 10:08 |
| tigert | hmm | 10:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | tigert: hey | 10:08 |
| timeless_mbp | how are you w/ html? | 10:08 |
| wrapster | johnx: yeah i have but i only have like a day to learn and script it out.. so kinda needed help onit.. | 10:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | i need something to draw lines onto a web page :) | 10:08 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: you thinking of drawing timezone lines, or lat/long or? | 10:09 |
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| tigert | timeless_mbp: <h1>SAY AGAIN?</h1> | 10:10 |
| timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: no | 10:11 |
| timeless_mbp | drawing lines from Nokia City to Real City | 10:11 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 10:11 |
| tigert | as in a graph? | 10:11 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 10:11 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: ah ok | 10:11 |
| timeless_mbp | tigert: see http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/n900.html#182 | 10:11 |
| tigert | draw it in google maps and embed it? :) | 10:11 |
| timeless_mbp | Nokia put Tokyo somewhere in the Pacific Ocean | 10:12 |
| Xisdibik | and Osaka | 10:12 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah well | 10:12 |
| timeless_mbp | let's not list all of the errors here right now :) | 10:12 |
| timeless_mbp | the list is kinda long | 10:12 |
| Xisdibik | haha ;) | 10:12 |
| * Xisdibik just hopes the pilot of his flight to tokyo in january doesnt have a n900 | 10:13 | |
| cehteh | whats the 'windowmanager' in fremantle? can it be started standalone from the sdk? | 10:13 |
| Xisdibik | "ladies and gentlemen we will be landing in tokyo shortly *SPLASH* | 10:13 |
| Lupu | hehe | 10:13 |
| cehteh | Xisdibik: rather: "" | 10:13 |
| cehteh | .. microphone defect :P | 10:14 |
| Xisdibik | yea, forgot the end one, always do that ;) | 10:14 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 10:14 |
| timeless_mbp | cehteh++ | 10:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: wanna add kerguelen (#186) to the list of islands to move? | 10:15 |
| timeless_mbp | it needs to move north | 10:15 |
| Xisdibik | i would if i had the file here | 10:15 |
| DangerMaus | hehe | 10:15 |
| Xisdibik | this netbook doesnt have office on it yet | 10:15 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah don't worry | 10:15 |
| Xisdibik | as im reinstalling everything tomorrow once my new hdd arrives | 10:15 |
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| cehteh | so any idea bout the windowmanager question? | 10:15 |
| timeless_mbp | but basically it looks like most of the islands in the pacific aren't well placed | 10:15 |
| timeless_mbp | cehteh: dunno what the final sdk has | 10:15 |
| timeless_mbp | the original draft sdk didn't include the real wm | 10:16 |
| timeless_mbp | because it was a secret :) | 10:16 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: indeed, guam looked off, but i didnt have time to check it fully | 10:16 |
| cehteh | i think its some component of the hildon desktop | 10:16 |
| timeless_mbp | i think cocos is off | 10:16 |
| cehteh | but i wonder if it can be started standalone | 10:16 |
| timeless_mbp | chatham is probably too :( | 10:16 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 10:16 | |
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| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: they chose where things were by playing darts on a map board. "Tokyo" *throw* "yea there works" ;) | 10:17 |
| timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: definitely | 10:17 |
| Venomrush | n900 appearing on xbox | 10:17 |
| Venomrush | never knew nokia and microsoft have such good relation | 10:17 |
| Venomrush | http://thenokiablog.com/2009/12/01/nokia-n900-xbox-360/ | 10:17 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd assume we paid big for that | 10:18 |
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| luke-jr | lol | 10:19 |
| luke-jr | Microsoft's strategy becomes more obvious every day :) | 10:19 |
| luke-jr | here's my theory: | 10:19 |
| timeless_mbp | ms is generally fairly friendly to people offering cash | 10:19 |
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| luke-jr | that whole SCO fiasco? | 10:19 |
| Xisdibik | luke-jr: it wasnt obvious from the start? ;) | 10:19 |
| DangerMaus | hey they advertised on our sites for long enough | 10:19 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 10:19 | |
| luke-jr | goal: get rid of SCO | 10:19 |
| DangerMaus | yepyep | 10:20 |
| luke-jr | with SCO gone, Microsoft can produce *nix again | 10:20 |
| DangerMaus | no more repreives for them | 10:20 |
| timeless_mbp | apple wasn't willing to give sun enough money :( | 10:20 |
| tigert | I guess they sell ads to whoever wants to pay? | 10:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd assume so | 10:21 |
| timeless_mbp | wouldn't you? | 10:21 |
| tigert | the amount of cash correlates to the warmness of the friendship? :) | 10:21 |
| Myrtti | OMG I SEE SUN | 10:21 |
| johnx | tigert, same as any real life relationship, right? :D | 10:21 |
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| wrapster | johnx: well i know that. .but like i said i have no idea about that either... so the simpleset way i though was just to create an icon using qt ... where the base file will say soemthing like this "pyton <file.py>" when you click that icon terminal opens up and the script runs | 10:22 |
| tigert | johnx: I guess some relationships work like that :) | 10:23 |
| johnx | ...but here's an interesting one: Microsoft advertises bing on google, but google doesn't advertise on bing :) | 10:23 |
| johnx | wrapster, hmm? | 10:23 |
| * Xisdibik will pay 500,000 USD to whoever will be his friend first ;) | 10:23 | |
| Xisdibik | dont all jump on it at once :P | 10:24 |
| * suihkulokki thinks nokia outsourced marketing to someone and microsoft outsourced selling ad spots to someone | 10:24 | |
| luke-jr | lol | 10:24 |
| johnx | wrapster, I'm probably not the person to ask about qt. I just suggested qt designer because I'd heard of it before | 10:24 |
| wrapster | ok | 10:24 |
| johnx | suihkulokki, someone with a sense of irony :) | 10:25 |
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| suihkulokki | so neither company actually is being aware that they are advertizing on "competitors" sphere | 10:25 |
| suihkulokki | (possibly the ad agency and spot reseller is the same company...) | 10:26 |
| * Xisdibik sleeps too | 10:26 | |
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| Venomrush | why is microsoft promoting maemo? does that mean they know wm suck? | 10:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | johnx: why should google advertise? | 10:30 |
| plr_ | everyone knows that and they have all the more reason to know that - they are the ones making it :) | 10:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: didn't ms outsource selling ads to yahoo? | 10:30 |
| timeless_mbp | (nokia outsources marketing regionally) | 10:31 |
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| mischa_ | hi all, i just received my n900 today. it's looking good :) | 10:46 |
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| Stskeeps | does the mic work and it doesn't go into reboot loops? | 10:46 |
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| mischa_ | :), it seems to be working fine :) | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | congrats, you might have a non-foobared n900 :) | 10:47 |
| mischa_ | is that a common problem with the n900? | 10:47 |
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| Stskeeps | there's been some batches that have some issues it seem | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | s | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | mine works fine | 10:47 |
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| mischa_ | i hope mine is fine 2 ::) | 10:48 |
| mischa_ | can you recoment sites for me , where to find the cool stuff for the n900, Stskeeps | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | maemo.org, obviously :) | 10:49 |
| mischa_ | :) | 10:49 |
| mischa_ | and.... | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | talk.maemo.org is a big discussion place | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | and maemo.nokia.com | 10:49 |
| mischa_ | k | 10:49 |
| mischa_ | i know ruby is working on the n800, with i also got, | 10:50 |
| mischa_ | does that mean it will also run on n900 | 10:50 |
| mischa_ | i mean , are packeges interchangable | 10:50 |
| mischa_ | ? | 10:50 |
| mischa_ | sorry for my terrrible english btw | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | mm, not always | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | can't recall if ruby was ported to n900 yet | 10:50 |
| mischa_ | that my fav prog language ... | 10:51 |
| mischa_ | it would be nice if i can work on my phone if i wanted to :) | 10:51 |
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| asidjazz | i think i fucked w/ my n900 too muc | 10:52 |
| asidjazz | how do i give it a full on reset/reboot | 10:52 |
| mischa_ | :) | 10:52 |
| asidjazz | wont get on the net | 10:52 |
| asidjazz | wont charge via usb | 10:52 |
| asidjazz | wont work w/ t-mo gsm | 10:52 |
| asidjazz | wont work w/ 3g | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 10:52 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 10:52 |
| asidjazz | if i leave it alone and pick it up itll say too many apps open .. no apps will be open | 10:52 |
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| Lupu | mischa_: My apt-cache shows ruby1.8 available | 10:53 |
| mischa_ | cool!!! | 10:53 |
| TomaszD | yep, ruby is there | 10:53 |
| mischa_ | damn, did not look at it yet | 10:53 |
| mischa_ | it just arrived | 10:53 |
| mischa_ | that is so perfect | 10:53 |
| mece | hey py python can't find osso. (eg import osso fails) what am I missing? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | mece: python-osso package? | 10:54 |
| mece | stskeeps, I have that. | 10:54 |
| mischa_ | what sources list should i use | 10:54 |
| mischa_ | i cant find ruby if i apt-cache search it | 10:55 |
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| mischa_ | if got the following catalogi | 10:56 |
| mischa_ | nokia-apps | 10:56 |
| mischa_ | software-updates | 10:56 |
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| mischa_ | mame extras | 10:56 |
| mischa_ | maemo extras | 10:56 |
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| asidjazz | Stskeeps: hmm should i do USA variant or Global release? | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | ruby is probably in extras-devel but be careful about adding it as you might trash your device | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: up to you :P | 10:57 |
| * Stskeeps can't remember difference | 10:57 | |
| mischa_ | :) | 10:57 |
| asidjazz | ill do US | 10:57 |
| mischa_ | flasher is your friend :) | 10:57 |
| mischa_ | you have the uri for me? | 10:57 |
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| Stskeeps | ~extras | 10:58 |
| infobot | rumour has it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 10:58 |
| DangerMaus | hehe | 10:59 |
| mischa_ | ~extra-devel | 10:59 |
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| mischa_ | ~extras-devel | 10:59 |
| infobot | from memory, extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel | 10:59 |
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| asidjazz | the only issue w/ flashing is i cannot fully charge the phone and it wants to die | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | why can't you charge? | 11:02 |
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| asidjazz | says charging then i unplug the charger, back to dead again | 11:03 |
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| asidjazz | any1 have any issues charging your n900 via usb? | 11:06 |
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| cehteh | some people have problems with it .. see forums | 11:07 |
| cehteh | did you set it into 'pc tansfer mode' ... if not do so | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: usb charger i have no issue with, sometimes i do with pc | 11:08 |
| cehteh | and a normal usb port provides less current than the charger | 11:08 |
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| cehteh | but might be a hardware problem as well | 11:08 |
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| asidjazz | Stskeeps: what do you mean w/ pc | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | like, plugged into a pc to charge :P | 11:09 |
| asidjazz | ah and what is hte issue you hvae | 11:09 |
| asidjazz | (more specifically) | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | asidjazz: well, at that point, that it didn't really charge that much | 11:10 |
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| LuciusMare | hello | 11:10 |
| asidjazz | were you able to tell if it charged at all? | 11:10 |
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| asidjazz | whoa im able to access the n900 HD w/out it on? | 11:12 |
| Lynoure | asidjazz: HD? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: the n900 is alive when you charge | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | it just acts dead | 11:12 |
| Lynoure | asidjazz: hard drive, high definition, something else? | 11:12 |
| asidjazz | the drive | 11:12 |
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| Lynoure | asidjazz: I suppose that if you turn it totally off, with power button, no. | 11:13 |
| mischa_ | ok, just installed ruby. nice!!! | 11:13 |
| Lynoure | But not sure. | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | if it's charging, it is usually alive :P | 11:13 |
| asidjazz | Lynoure: its totally off | 11:13 |
| asidjazz | what are ya gonna do w/ ruby mischa_ | 11:13 |
| asidjazz | Stskeeps: i wonder if now that its off .. its actually charging for real | 11:14 |
| Lynoure | Stskeeps: yup, missed the charging bit. :) | 11:14 |
| asidjazz | ill leave it alone for 20-30mins andfind out | 11:14 |
| mischa_ | it my main progr language | 11:14 |
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| asidjazz | mischa_: i like ruby | 11:14 |
| asidjazz | only issue is if you write something in ruby ppl are gonna need to install ruby to run it | 11:15 |
| mischa_ | if i com up with a good idae and i am not in the prox of a computer i can make a prototype on my phone hahahaha | 11:15 |
| mischa_ | ruby is my main language | 11:15 |
| mischa_ | i love it | 11:15 |
| mischa_ | yep | 11:15 |
| mischa_ | it should by n there by default :) | 11:16 |
| asidjazz | does hte ruby package have gtk support | 11:16 |
| asidjazz | also sharing an app means sharing the source to that app | 11:16 |
| mischa_ | http://site.realitybites.eu/content/nokia_download | 11:16 |
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| mischa_ | that is for 810, but that will probably work on the n900 also | 11:17 |
| mischa_ | it also have ruby 1.8.7 | 11:17 |
| mischa_ | -p71 | 11:17 |
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| asidjazz | what is it | 11:19 |
| asidjazz | gtk+ruby? | 11:19 |
| asidjazz | so then the package forthe n900 doesnt suppor gtk? | 11:19 |
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| mischa_ | asidjazz: yes, maemo ruby gtk/hildon bindings | 11:20 |
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| Venomrush | how do i zoom | 11:28 |
| Venomrush | in photos? | 11:28 |
| Venomrush | ah got it | 11:28 |
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| Sai_Mon12 | Hi everyone, have a question. I just got done with configuring and installing apps for my n900. I wanna do a backup now. The built in backup tool seems to only backup the "Application List". I want to backup the actual applications. Cause all app .install files simply point to the package download (linux thing). But what if at the time of restore, i had no internet or the package i want is no longer there....? | 11:33 |
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| Venomrush | shouldnt be too hard to redownload all the applications once u have the list | 11:34 |
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| Lynoure | Sai_Mon12: the backup does list the .deb that is installed... you can back them up manually based on the list... even to somewhere else than your N900. | 11:34 |
| Sai_Mon12 | does the n900 install .debs? | 11:36 |
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| Veggen | Sai_Mon12: yah, it's Debian based. | 11:37 |
| Lynoure | Sai_Mon12: yes | 11:37 |
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| serenity | hi | 11:38 |
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| imran | hi | 11:39 |
| imran | while installing scratchbox on ubuntu i get following error | 11:39 |
| Sai_Mon12 | great. I'll conduct a backup. then go through the list to download the .debs manually on my PC. reason y am worried about this. is sometimes packages are taken off. like the snes emulator fo instance | 11:39 |
| serenity | on my host system i'm using ppp0 to get into internet. What changes must be done, that scratchbox uses this connection= | 11:39 |
| imran | Get:2 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main Packages gzip: stdin: not in gzip format | 11:39 |
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| serenity | can i add the host connection to scratchbox? | 11:44 |
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| asidjazz | hmm it seems that charging it for 30mins while off charged it a little bit | 11:45 |
| asidjazz | still alot slower than plugging it into a wall | 11:46 |
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| Lynoure | Sai_Mon12: http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/07/24/howto-download-packages-and-dependencies-for-offline-installation/ is for ubuntu, but could be easily modified for N900 | 11:48 |
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| RST38h | Any C++ wizards out there? =) | 11:55 |
| cehteh | mhm about? | 11:55 |
| RST38h | About possibility of instantiating a template with function names | 11:56 |
| RST38h | I.e. I want to supply two function names when instantiating a class template | 11:56 |
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| cehteh | as in template <Function> class foo { .. ? | 11:57 |
| RST38h | yeah | 11:57 |
| RST38h | where class foo calls Function() somewhere inside | 11:57 |
| cehteh | wont work, at least not easily | 11:57 |
| cehteh | you need some dispatcher, binder, functor or whatever there | 11:57 |
| * RST38h knew that #defines were superiod after all :) | 11:57 | |
| RST38h | superior | 11:58 |
| cehteh | hehe yes | 11:58 |
| cehteh | i stopped using C++ years ago and back to C := | 11:58 |
| adeus | it's just a bigger gun to shoot at your leg :) | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | pretty much the same here, I ignore all these features normally | 11:58 |
| cehteh | for C i can give you an example how to dispatch on strings :P | 11:58 |
| RST38h | nah, this I can do =) | 11:59 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 11:59 | |
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| mece | anyone know where the osso python module is? ive got python-osso installed but it still cant find module osso | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | on device or scratchbox? | 12:02 |
| mece | device | 12:02 |
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| mece | the annoying part is that it works on the other device, but i cant find whats different | 12:04 |
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| jaem | morning | 12:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: when do i get a newer version of Mer? :) | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | oh, right, was supposed to make a new image today | 12:14 |
| * jaem wants his Mer fix as well | 12:14 | |
| jaem | what're we at these days, anyway? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | 0.17testing3 | 12:15 |
| jaem | 0.17almostthere? | 12:15 |
| jaem | oh | 12:15 |
| jaem | lol | 12:15 |
| jaem | last I checked it was at 0.16.99999999 | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem: have you played w/ the map web page? :) | 12:15 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, which one? | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a fun game | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/n900.html or a variant | 12:16 |
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| jaem | timeless_mbp, heh, but what's the point? error-checking? | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | laughing at someone's dart throwing? | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | corrected.html has a version where i've moved a bunch of cities | 12:17 |
| jaem | you'd think they could have gotten it right from the get-go... I mean, most of these cities have been around for a bit longer than the development cycle | 12:17 |
| frals_ | god i love some lectures... EJB lecutre (about developing ejb's, not setting it up or anything) and people are asking about how the HTTP protocol works and how webservers load balance >_< | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | there are quite a few more to move | 12:17 |
| jaem | wow... | 12:17 |
| jaem | fail | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem: search for caracas | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | frals_: occasionally i lose my faith in academia | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | it's one of my more recent favorites | 12:18 |
| * jaem *facepalms* | 12:18 | |
| frals_ | Stskeeps: yeah.. this is just.. >_< | 12:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | jaem: did you find it? :) | 12:18 |
| jaem | yeah | 12:18 |
| Sai_Mon12 | hey all, i seem to have made a small mistake. I tried making a backup, using the backup tool on the n900. i chose to save it on the onboard memory. thinking it would just make the one file.....it didnt. for some reason now i have duplicates of the folders. for instance Audio Clips, Video Clips, etc.....and it won't let me delete the duplicates | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem: well, it's in a Latin land, that's what counts, right? :) | 12:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | so... i've got a problem... | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i manage files which don't live in LC_MESSAGES? :) | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | that's basically: 'map', 'maps', 'browser' | 12:22 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, I've been fighting with QtDBus since Sunday afternoon :/ | 12:23 |
| jaem | finally got it solved | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | cool | 12:23 |
| jaem | I asked a friendly Troll, and he cleared it up in about 2 minutes | 12:23 |
| jaem | lol | 12:23 |
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| jaem | sigh... wasted time | 12:23 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, any idea why the map fails this badly? | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i plead the 5th? | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, probably the wrong one | 12:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | but how about "it'd be bad if i were to publicly speculate" | 12:24 |
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| jaem | -snerk- | 12:25 |
| jaem | fair enough - it's funny enough without an explanation | 12:26 |
| jaem | :) | 12:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway, if you want to help, please use corrected instead of n900 | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | you can enable coordinate gathering by removing a 'return;' line from the html or generator | 12:27 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, I'm juggling exams, assignments, and this research project at the moment, so I can't right now | 12:28 |
| jaem | but I'll take a look if I get a chance | 12:28 |
| jaem | :) | 12:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | RAGE | 12:39 |
| Shapeshifter | for the first time, I'm a bit pissed at this delay. stupid shop. shouldn't promise devices on 1st of december and then change the date to "unknown". -.- | 12:40 |
| jaem | Shapeshifter, :( | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 12:40 |
| jaem | Stskeeps, does Mer 0.17testing3 have N810 images now? | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | no, x86 images broke so | 12:41 |
| mgedmin | see, this is why Nokia never makes announcements about future projects | 12:41 |
| Shapeshifter | they better not >.> | 12:41 |
| mgedmin | broken promises incite rage | 12:41 |
| Shapeshifter | people would go completely bananas | 12:41 |
| mgedmin | mobs with torches | 12:41 |
| Shapeshifter | indeed | 12:41 |
| jaem | mgedmin, liqtorch? :P | 12:42 |
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| mgedmin | is there a liqmob? | 12:42 |
| jaem | I don't know | 12:42 |
| jaem | somebody tell lcuk to get working! | 12:42 |
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| jaem | mgedmin, maybe an N900 remote to a onedotzero-style projection of waiting customers' rage? | 12:43 |
| jaem | oh wait | 12:44 |
| jaem | -snerk- | 12:44 |
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| florian | go0od morning | 12:46 |
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| jaem | morning | 12:46 |
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| CoreFusion- | good morning | 12:46 |
| CoreFusion- | should be only two days now.... I should get my N900 on friday :) | 12:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | ooh | 12:50 |
| jaem | woo | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | my rocket science finally became helpful | 12:50 |
| jaem | CoreFusion-, have fun :) | 12:50 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, oh? | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem: i've been puzzling how to deliver replacements for files that are not .mo files | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | and it finally dawned upon me | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i think, anyway | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to check to make sure it does the right thing tm | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, it probably isn't going to work | 12:51 |
| * timeless_mbp looks at the map carefully | 12:51 | |
| CoreFusion- | OMG..... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35612 | 12:52 |
| CoreFusion- | wtf is wrong with people? | 12:53 |
| cehteh | bored? :) | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | CoreFusion-: their credit card handling system needs a beating, for sure | 12:53 |
| cehteh | yeah | 12:53 |
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| cehteh | well and people who order a non existing product pre-paied need to be beaten too .. | 12:54 |
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| mece | who's ordering what now? | 12:54 |
| rashed2020 | Why is it nonexisting? | 12:55 |
| rashed2020 | mece: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35612 | 12:55 |
| cehteh | dunno how its called in english but i ordered by 'nachname' means i have to pay the delivery sevice in cash when it comes | 12:55 |
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| rashed2020 | It's called Cash on Delivery :P | 12:56 |
| cehteh | rashed2020: non-available then .. well at the time people pre-ordered it was virtually non existing, except for preproduction development samples | 12:56 |
| cehteh | bbl | 12:56 |
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| Dantonic | hey anyone know the difference between invisishield and durasec screen protectors? | 13:00 |
| Shapeshifter | Dantonic: the durasec doesn't fit right, iirc. | 13:05 |
| Shapeshifter | it's too big. | 13:05 |
| wrapster | how do i port python app to maemo | 13:05 |
| asidjazz | any1 here successful flashed an n900 | 13:05 |
| asidjazz | "suitable usb device not found, waiting" | 13:05 |
| wrapster | i have a py app now... but how do i port it | 13:06 |
| Dantonic | Shapeshifter, I'm concerned about the touch sensitivity after application of an invisishield... | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: what OS? | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | and 32 or 64 bit? | 13:06 |
| jaem | asidjazz, yep, once | 13:06 |
| jaem | on Windows | 13:06 |
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| jaem | haven't tried Linux flasher yet | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: there's a big thread on talk.maemo.org somewhere on this issue | 13:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | Dantonic: from all I read, *touch* sensitivity is almost unaffected when applying almost any protector, while moving the stylus around (swiping, painting) is affected especially by the invisible-shield rubbery type of protector. | 13:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | I will probably get myself a multipack of "clear" protectors. Those which are rather scratchable (but I'll keep the phone in a pouch anyway), but which are thin and really invisible. | 13:09 |
| Shapeshifter | I can always change it if it's gone bad. | 13:09 |
| mece | wrapster, you can just run the py app. | 13:09 |
| Dantonic | Shapeshifter, well I've never used a protector, so I have no idea what they feel like or what to choose... | 13:09 |
| Dantonic | ah sounds interesting, any particular brand you use? | 13:10 |
| Shapeshifter | Dantonic: me neither, but you get the idea from the videos. thos "military" types are rubbery and sticky | 13:10 |
| Dantonic | I'm planning on a pouch as well | 13:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | Dantonic: nah. I think I'd like a boxwave cleartouch crystal clear | 13:10 |
| Shapeshifter | but boxwave doesn't offer them yet. | 13:11 |
| DangerMaus | boxwave when the come out with csomething | 13:11 |
| Shapeshifter | http://www.boxwave.com/community/request/index.htm you could vote here if you like. The antiglare is supposed to be great | 13:11 |
| Shapeshifter | though on such a dense-pixel device it might actually impair the picture quality | 13:11 |
| DangerMaus | found a place t o grab up a screen protector from dont know how good it is but better than scratching the screen | 13:11 |
| Shapeshifter | so I won't get that. | 13:12 |
| mece | rashed2020, *sigh* don't know whether to laugh or cry when I see that thread... | 13:12 |
| aSIMULAter | hi | 13:12 |
| DangerMaus | already voted Shapeshifter | 13:12 |
| Dantonic | well with the N800 I never used a screen protector, and I kept it pretty scratch free | 13:12 |
| Dantonic | except for the right side where the scroll menu is.. some scratches due to stylus | 13:12 |
| rashed2020 | mece: Meh. Feeling anything towards it means you still care too much about stupid people. | 13:12 |
| rashed2020 | Does anyone have a Maemo device on Tmobile (USA) ? | 13:13 |
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| DangerMaus | ditto rashed2020 | 13:13 |
| DangerMaus | whats tmo like i got no plan yet | 13:13 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm giving up. I'm giving the n900 a new arrival date of January 13th. | 13:13 |
| Shapeshifter | hope that is safe. | 13:14 |
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| Shapeshifter | else I'm going mad. | 13:14 |
| rashed2020 | I think they're alright. I live in downtown philly so I'm pretty covered. I just wanna know if the phones are NAT'd. | 13:14 |
| DangerMaus | lol you selling them? | 13:14 |
| Shapeshifter | DangerMaus: no, I want one | 13:14 |
| DangerMaus | lol | 13:14 |
| Shapeshifter | but as accuarate as the dates are, anyone can set them, right? | 13:14 |
| rashed2020 | Shapeshifter: Someone I know ordered it and got it in 3 or so days. | 13:14 |
| Shapeshifter | rashed2020: not in Switzerland -.- | 13:14 |
| rashed2020 | Owwwh | 13:14 |
| DangerMaus | ahh yes he's in .ch | 13:15 |
| rashed2020 | You guys should be getting them before us, though. Nokia likes Europe more. | 13:15 |
| DangerMaus | rashed2020, got it in bout 24h | 13:15 |
| Shapeshifter | they said it should be here yesterday. even when people called in. Now they say they didn't get the batch from the supplier and don't know anything about when it's going to arrive. Well at least it's "don't know" now, and not "tomorrow, for sure" -.- | 13:15 |
| rashed2020 | DangerMaus: Where'd you order it from? | 13:15 |
| Shapeshifter | rashed2020: nah, the US got it first | 13:16 |
| Shapeshifter | by a mile | 13:16 |
| DangerMaus | nokiausa monday got it tuesday at bout noon | 13:16 |
| rashed2020 | Yeah, I can see that now :P | 13:16 |
| Shapeshifter | I think only australia and canada will come after Europe | 13:16 |
| Shapeshifter | an places like zimbabwe >.> | 13:16 |
| rashed2020 | DangerMaus: I'm still undecided on whether I should get it or not. I have a G1. | 13:16 |
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| ccooke | Good Morning | 13:16 |
| rashed2020 | Everyone knows Nigeria and *NOT* Zimbabwe have the newest technology. | 13:16 |
| DangerMaus | im function yesterday today on wifi | 13:16 |
| DangerMaus | and skype | 13:17 |
| DangerMaus | it nicely locks on to any and every open wifi | 13:17 |
| rashed2020 | I'll be using 3G, mostly. | 13:17 |
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| DangerMaus | me2 | 13:17 |
| plastun | hello! | 13:17 |
| DangerMaus | but not on tmo yet didnt want a plan and no phone | 13:18 |
| * SpeedEvil found cheap deal in the UK. | 13:18 | |
| SpeedEvil | (for connection) | 13:18 |
| w00t | hooray for processing email | 13:18 |
| Lynoure | 3G seems battery intensive for data. | 13:18 |
| rashed2020 | Wifi is battery intensive for everything. | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Lynoure: pretty much unless you're close to the reciever | 13:19 |
| DangerMaus | rashed2020, and tmo seems to have basic data in the woods where i play unlike att | 13:19 |
| plastun | I want ot make gtkLabel as link. I use pango markup languageand tag 'a'. When i run my app in maemo, i have error, which says, that "unknown tag a". ??? | 13:19 |
| tigert | what is most battery sensitive is using the device - it goes to sleep modes of various depths when idle | 13:19 |
| rashed2020 | DangerMaus: Again, I live downtown :P | 13:20 |
| rashed2020 | City life, bebeh! | 13:20 |
| tigert | has anyone noted a difference between 3G and GPRS? | 13:20 |
| DangerMaus | i live downtown too but ploay in the woods | 13:20 |
| rashed2020 | tigert: You'd have to be delusional to not notice a difference. | 13:20 |
| tigert | in battery life btw? my N95 battery appreciated non-3G | 13:20 |
| rashed2020 | Oh :P | 13:20 |
| rashed2020 | Yeah, I still see a difference. | 13:21 |
| tigert | yeah | 13:21 |
| tigert | edge is just way slow :/ | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a /proc or /sys node with battery state? | 13:21 |
| DangerMaus | like email vs full blown broadband | 13:21 |
| asidjazz | lol | 13:21 |
| rashed2020 | Just so I get this straight, Maemo is proper proper Linux? | 13:21 |
| asidjazz | i flashed my n900 and my bookmarks are still there | 13:21 |
| rashed2020 | Just with a different WM and DE? | 13:21 |
| asidjazz | yup | 13:22 |
| asidjazz | linux debian + gtk hildon | 13:22 |
| rashed2020 | I find that insanely hard to believe. | 13:22 |
| rashed2020 | That's just such a cool idea. | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | rashed2020: yes | 13:22 |
| DangerMaus | just dont install pkgs to /usr | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | well, modified debian | 13:22 |
| tigert | maemo is NOT debian | 13:22 |
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| rashed2020 | So the debian ARM repos are good? | 13:22 |
| tigert | apt-get dist-upgrade will not be something you do | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | rashed2020: no, but easy debian exists | 13:22 |
| tigert | it uses dpkg and debian stuff quite heavily | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | rashed2020: I'm ssh'd into my n900, with 3 or 4 browsers running. Nice. | 13:23 |
| tigert | but it is not debian | 13:23 |
| tigert | but yes, it is as "linux" as anything | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | rashed2020: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34550&highlight=easy+debian | 13:23 |
| tigert | rashed2020: so debian arm repositories wont work | 13:23 |
| tigert | but | 13:23 |
| kynde | anyone had success compiling additional kernel modules for the n900 kernel? (the 2.6.28-20094102.3+0m5 being the latest, I presume) | 13:23 |
| tigert | there was some package that let you run them wiht a chrooted debian easily | 13:24 |
| asidjazz | its linux tigert | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | kynde: mashiara was working on it | 13:24 |
| asidjazz | and it uses alot of debian distro functionality | 13:24 |
| zaheer_ | tigert, thx for your droid sans mono tip for terminal! | 13:24 |
| asidjazz | making it debian distro of linux | 13:24 |
| asidjazz | on a phone | 13:24 |
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| rashed2020 | tigert: Yeah. That looks like what's in Stskeeps's link. Easy Debian. | 13:24 |
| kynde | Stskeeps: yeah, I stumbled on to your irc log about it and seems like he had similar issues. | 13:24 |
| mashiara | kynde: yes and no, | 13:24 |
| kynde | mashiara: oh, you're here, too, good. | 13:24 |
| rashed2020 | Aw man I can't wait to get this phone. | 13:24 |
| tigert | asidjazz: let me rephrase: it is not necessarily debian compatible | 13:25 |
| rashed2020 | I was THIS close to getting the N810 but backed out cuz it wasn't a phone. | 13:25 |
| tigert | ie, dependencies etc wont necessarily work | 13:25 |
| tigert | between maemo and debian | 13:25 |
| rashed2020 | Just say Debian based :P | 13:25 |
| mashiara | kynde: I'm kinda busy now, if flandry is here he has the steps I took to compile joydev.ko for him | 13:25 |
| tigert | stuff is packaged differently here and there | 13:25 |
| tigert | zaheer_: :) | 13:25 |
| tigert | rashed2020: yeah, easydebian, i havent tried it myself, but maybe I should | 13:25 |
| zaheer_ | tigert, also noticed i could make it white on black! | 13:26 |
| rashed2020 | I wanna make it neon green on black! | 13:26 |
| rashed2020 | With transparency :P | 13:26 |
| tigert | zaheer_: sure :) | 13:26 |
| rashed2020 | And Compiz effects. | 13:26 |
| asidjazz | wtf is flashing even for | 13:26 |
| asidjazz | nothing is removed off my phone | 13:26 |
| kynde | mashiara: ack. the maemo 5.0 kernel guide wiki appears to have some flaws. it uses kernel extraversion -maemo2 but I have -omap1 in my device. | 13:26 |
| tigert | zaheer_: but that wasnt so hard to discover, wasnt it? :) | 13:26 |
| asidjazz | i still have all my contacts and freakin files in my home dir | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | wow! | 13:26 |
| rashed2020 | asidjazz: Just the system files? | 13:26 |
| zaheer_ | tigert, to be honest, i never bothered to check the font menu | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: if you want to remove some config stuff, you need to flash eMMC too | 13:26 |
| tigert | asidjazz: your contacts are in emmc | 13:26 |
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| asidjazz | oh eMMC | 13:26 |
| asidjazz | what else is in eMMC | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: it's to avoid you shooting yourself in the foot too much | 13:27 |
| asidjazz | besides bookmarks and contacts | 13:27 |
| tigert | I dont know if emmc flashable images are public though | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | management decided the embarrassment that is clock should be ... well, addressed | 13:27 |
| asidjazz | what about installed apps | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: your files, etc | 13:27 |
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| mashiara | kynde: yes, it's kinda dated... leave extraversion empty and the Makefile will set it to -omap1 | 13:27 |
| asidjazz | were those removed | 13:27 |
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| tigert | asidjazz: apps you lose when you flash | 13:27 |
| asidjazz | k good | 13:27 |
| tigert | but restore a backup, it restores your instaled apps list, and repositories | 13:27 |
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| tigert | so you can "restore applications" wiht app manager later | 13:27 |
| asidjazz | why do we call this flashing | 13:28 |
| mashiara | kynde: be warned though, so far I have not managed to compile working nf_conntrack for example (for the stock kernel, now my N900 is running a custom one...) | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: cos you actually 'flash' the internal NAND | 13:28 |
| asidjazz | we should call it "kinda not do much at all" | 13:28 |
| tigert | emmc has /home/user (ext2 iirc) and /home/user/MyDocs | 13:28 |
| kynde | mashiara: ok. nf_conntrack is what I'm working on, too. | 13:28 |
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| tigert | MyDocs is the usb-storage partition that is FAT | 13:28 |
| rashed2020 | I'm sorta confused about PyMaemo. Is it included by default or not? | 13:28 |
| tigert | asidjazz: it flashes the root partition and bootloader and other stuff | 13:29 |
| mashiara | kynde: oh.... then see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=383608#post383608 and v | 13:29 |
| mashiara | kynde: and https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mobilehotspot/ | 13:29 |
| kynde | the custom works ok? I mean, the phone and related modules are ok and intact? Didn't have the guts to flash it. | 13:29 |
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| asidjazz | flashing it should replace the entire phone w/ a stock default image | 13:29 |
| kynde | ... just yet, that is, since I haven't back shit up yet. I'm well acquainted with kernel and modules, especially on a n810, but the issues I'm facing with the conntrack seem odd. | 13:29 |
| tigert | asidjazz: flashing wont replace memory cards | 13:30 |
| asidjazz | this is more getting naked in a trenchcoat .. | 13:30 |
| mashiara | kynde: you can flash just the kernel without messing with the rootfs | 13:30 |
| tigert | asidjazz: thats what the eMMC is, its just soldered in though | 13:30 |
| tigert | but its for your data | 13:30 |
| mashiara | and you can extract the stock kernel from the Fiasco (combined kernel and rootfs) image | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: when you flash emmc, it should be stock | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:30 |
| kynde | mashiara: I know. It's just that I really would've liked to just add the necessary and new modules. I'm a little baffled as to why the nf_conntrack (and even x_tables) don't work if I build them in scratchbox. | 13:31 |
| asidjazz | mm yea cnat find an emmc image | 13:31 |
| asidjazz | ohwell | 13:31 |
| asidjazz | tnx for hte help guys | 13:31 |
| mashiara | kynde: odd issues with conntrack, yes! I was thinking I was going crazy or maybe my SB was messing stuff up | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: tablets-dev.nokia.com? | 13:31 |
| tigert | oh yea | 13:31 |
| tigert | there is the emmc image too | 13:31 |
| tigert | asidjazz: its in the same spot | 13:31 |
| asidjazz | if its not that public and supported Stskeeps i dont wanna risk bricking this thing | 13:31 |
| tigert | asidjazz: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 13:31 |
| mashiara | kynde: I have no idea why it goes wrong and I'm not really a kernel hacker | 13:31 |
| asidjazz | i was reading http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 | 13:32 |
| mashiara | kynde: but if you figure it out I will be very happy | 13:32 |
| asidjazz | oh nice | 13:32 |
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| tigert | "RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" | 13:32 |
| mashiara | kynde: mainly so that the mobilehotspot project can be used also by the timid ones | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: i highly doubt flashing voids warranty | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:32 |
| kynde | mashiara: I'll keep trying, but I'm getting more and more confident that I'm forced to flash the kernel, too. | 13:32 |
| asidjazz | no way im dealing w/ that right now :) | 13:32 |
| asidjazz | lol | 13:32 |
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| mashiara | kynde: really, flashing the kernel is not a big issue but it's a bit of a hassle | 13:33 |
| tigert | asidjazz: why would you want to flash unless there were an update anyway? | 13:33 |
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| kynde | mashiara: yeah, no worries there, I was on suspicious about the phone/gsm stuff, incase there were some closed / binary-only modules I'd have to worry about. | 13:34 |
| rashed2020 | Does Maemo do some voodoo with Python apps so they all run under one interpreter? Or is it one interpreter/app? | 13:34 |
| mashiara | kynde: and in harmatten running unsigned kernels while possible is not really an option for the general user | 13:34 |
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| xorAxAx | cehteh: hi | 13:34 |
| kynde | mashiara: shit, really? | 13:34 |
| kynde | mashiara: they're closing kernel? | 13:34 |
| mashiara | kynde: no | 13:34 |
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| Stskeeps | kynde: no, it's way more complicated than that :P you can still run your wn kernel if you want to get rid of DRM | 13:35 |
| mashiara | kynde & stskeeps: I was talking with the researcher after the harmattan security framework presentation | 13:36 |
| asidjazz | there an easy way to delete all my contacts | 13:36 |
| asidjazz | the somewhere in /home/user | 13:36 |
| asidjazz | tigert: i just wanted to completely reset the phone | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: flash emmc and that should do i | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | t | 13:36 |
| asidjazz | tigert: ivew been messin w/ it too much | 13:36 |
| mashiara | kynde & stskeeps: it's in many ways very sensible system and a good compromise. But if for the user flashing unsigned kernel means losing access to any content in secure storage stored before flashing it's a no-go | 13:37 |
| mashiara | kynde & stskeeps: of course they can flash a signed kernel back and get it all back | 13:37 |
| tigert | asidjazz: then flash the 42-11 image and then the emmc | 13:37 |
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| Stskeeps | mashiara: losing access to any content in the DRM keys stuff is obvious | 13:37 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: to us... | 13:38 |
| jaska | id prefer not having any drm trash on any system whatsoever :) | 13:38 |
| mashiara | jaska: you can use it for your own benefit too | 13:38 |
| krig | yeah..good riddanc | 13:38 |
| tigert | mashiara: "flashing kernel" is not obvious to regular users anyway | 13:38 |
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| tigert | most people run a stock one anyway | 13:39 |
| mashiara | jaska: the secure storage APIs are very generic and usable for many pro-user use cases as well | 13:39 |
| mashiara | tigert: I was wondering since just about everything is updateable OTA, maybe the kernel can be flashed too ? | 13:39 |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 13:39 |
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| RST38h | --= Deliver our first Maemo 6-powered mobile computer, with an iconic user experience, in the second half of 2010 =-- | 13:40 |
| mashiara | tigert: haven't had the time to dig out the details and even if it's possible it probably is (or should be) locked to some signed stuff | 13:40 |
| tigert | mashiara: sure it can, but for regular users the "flashable image" does it for you | 13:40 |
| RST38h | Statement made by Nokia. | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yay, roadmaps | 13:40 |
| tigert | it updates the kernel (if there is an updated kernel in the image, of course) and everything else | 13:40 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: So, I am taking my words back: it looks like that sole 2010 device will be Maemo6 after all | 13:41 |
| lizardo | rashed2020: it is one interpreter running per application | 13:41 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: (will it mean another rushed release and delays though?) | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: first m6 device they say though | 13:41 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Yea, so no keyboardless N900 I guess? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: nfi? :P | 13:42 |
| tigert | RST38h: you imply that there has been a maemo device release in the past _without_ rush? :D | 13:43 |
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| RST38h | tigert: awwwww... :) | 13:43 |
| CoreFusion- | The N920 should be coming | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | zerojay: the 1 week warranty is mentioned earlier in the thread and seems sadly to be true | 13:44 |
| odin_ | when? on N920 and whats the main difference ? | 13:44 |
| CoreFusion- | N920 doesn't have keyboard | 13:44 |
| CoreFusion- | But I don't know exactly when it's coming | 13:44 |
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| odin_ | what are the targets for maemo6 ? i.e. what changes are planned in roadmap? | 13:45 |
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| kynde | I could live with not toying around with the kernel, I'm already mainitaining enough kernel variants as it is, aslong as I'd atleast get lacking stuff back in as modules atleast. | 13:45 |
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| CoreFusion- | I have no idea, all I know is that they are working hard with Maemo 6 already | 13:46 |
| odin_ | kynde, even if they are not skipped on the device, they should be put up for download | 13:46 |
| kynde | exactly. | 13:47 |
| odin_ | s/skipped/shipped/ | 13:47 |
| infobot | odin_ meant: kynde, even if they are not shipped on the device, they should be put up for download | 13:47 |
| Hiisty | but can n900 be upgraded to maemo6 ? | 13:47 |
| RST38h | nobody knows | 13:47 |
| RST38h | also, it is a faq | 13:47 |
| odin_ | the only issue is when some module cause increased kernel image/data size (even though the main code is a module) | 13:47 |
| mece | ok I think I found out why I can't import osso in python. osso directory is missing __init__.py it appears | 13:48 |
| tigert | kynde: compiling the kernel was fun in 1996 | 13:48 |
| odin_ | maybe a range of kernels should be built, the "release" one and a "developer" one with more stuff built at modules | 13:48 |
| tigert | kynde: sure there are valid reasons to build a custom kernel sometimes for specific cases | 13:48 |
| RST38h | Last thing I heard was that Maemo6 will make so heavy use of multitouch UI that N900 simply won't be sufficient | 13:48 |
| tigert | kynde: but I am pretty sure the kernel and all stuff in N900 is tuned pretty well to work with the hw in the official images | 13:48 |
| odin_ | is N920 to be capacative screen ? | 13:49 |
| RST38h | tigert: Hey, kids are still having fun compiling kernels, it replaces masturbation | 13:49 |
| odin_ | is that question in FAQ ? | 13:49 |
| RST38h | odin: What is N920? | 13:49 |
| kynde | tigers: absolutely. It's a travesty if they should drop that possibility. | 13:49 |
| tigert | RST38h: exactly, and makes you look cool when you can say you did it :) | 13:49 |
| RST38h | tigert: That I never understood | 13:49 |
| odin_ | CoreFusion-, said N920 first, ask him | 13:49 |
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| RST38h | odin: You go ask. | 13:50 |
| tigert | RST38h: it might make sense for the pc you built | 13:50 |
| tigert | RST38h: but for a nokia kernel for a nokia device, | 13:50 |
| RST38h | odin; When you figure it out, come back with your question | 13:50 |
| tigert | I would assume they got their kernel parameters figured out | 13:50 |
| tigert | our core guys are not idiots :) | 13:50 |
| RST38h | tigert: Would not assume that | 13:50 |
| odin_ | RST38h, which question ? | 13:50 |
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| tigert | and like I said, there are cases when you need something specific, but that is not for joe average anyway | 13:50 |
| RST38h | tigert: I once had to compile FreeBSD kernel because the release version had sysV IPC disabled for some reason | 13:51 |
| RST38h | tigert: For unknown reasons, somebody probably thought it was unsecure | 13:51 |
| tigert | RST38h: :) thats bsd for you :) | 13:51 |
| RST38h | So, yes, there is still a possibility you will need to recompile, but it is pretty tiny | 13:51 |
| tigert | yeah | 13:51 |
| RST38h | odin: Good, figure that out too. | 13:52 |
| kynde | RST38h: but it's still a kernel. you give me a linux device and cripple it by disallowing kernel modifications is not that much different from giving me a windows device. | 13:52 |
| RST38h | kynde: AFAIK you CAN recompile Maemo5 kernel | 13:52 |
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| odin_ | RST38h, I think you are just confusing things more, I don't believe I need to take any of the actions you are asking me to take, so place stop assiting me (telling me what I should do) | 13:53 |
| RST38h | kynde: But I have no idea how you equate inability to compile kernel and windows ce | 13:53 |
| kynde | but that cripples drm related stuff, then, or did I miss something. I'm not well acquainted with this harmattan drm stuff, just heard about it. | 13:53 |
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| lizardo | mece: which python-osso version are you using ? | 13:53 |
| tigert | harmattan has nothing to do with reflashing or compiling N900 kernel | 13:53 |
| hrw | morning | 13:53 |
| RST38h | kynde: AFAIK Maemo5 still does not have DRM | 13:53 |
| RST38h | Maemo6 will | 13:54 |
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| odin_ | yeah that was a gentlemanly "f**k awf" ha ha | 13:54 |
| mece | lizardo, dunno. I did apt-get install python-osso | 13:54 |
| lizardo | mece: dpkg -l python-osso will tell it :) | 13:54 |
| mece | k. hold on | 13:54 |
| * kynde is baffled. harmattan is maemo6, right. and someone just said that using custom kernel there disables drm? | 13:55 | |
| odin_ | ~codenames | 13:55 |
| infobot | [codenames] buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), Woody=Stable (3.0) Sarge=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews | 13:55 |
| mece | lizardo, 0.4-0maemo1 | 13:55 |
| odin_ | infobot codenames is http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 13:55 |
| infobot | ...but codenames is already something else... | 13:55 |
| lizardo | mece: do you have the "extras-devel" reposotory in your sources.list ? | 13:56 |
| odin_ | infobot you are stupid | 13:56 |
| infobot | odin_: what are you talking about? | 13:56 |
| mece | lizardo, nope | 13:56 |
| mece | lizardo, funnily the other N900 i'm comparing with has the same version, and is not missing the init files | 13:57 |
| lizardo | mece: for Python development on Maemo, I suggest you have it enabled, there are some fixes to packages there that are not yet on extras-testing/extras | 13:57 |
| odin_ | has anyone hooked up infobot to wiki.maemo.org ? can anyone? | 13:57 |
| lizardo | mece: both do not have extras-devel ? | 13:57 |
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| odin_ | is extras-devel working ? I set it up but I get an error I have "user" "free" and "non-free" setup | 13:58 |
| kynde | RST38h: where did I go wrong? doesn't the drm equate to reduced possibilities of using custom kernels? or when using custom kernels, there'll be lack of features otherwise present in the device? | 13:58 |
| mece | lizardo, that's right. But I'm not sure if testing has been enabled at a point in the other device. I't snot mine. | 13:58 |
| mece | lizardo, would not the version be different then? | 13:58 |
| lizardo | mece: yes, in that case you would have the 0.4.0-0maemo2 version installed | 13:59 |
| mece | lizardo, ok so since there is the exact same version of python-osso in both devices, but one is missing the init files, what has gone wrong? | 14:00 |
| lizardo | mece: but python-osso uses python-central to create that __init__.py file, and the problem might be that you are using an older python-central version... | 14:00 |
| lizardo | mece: anyway, I'll try to reproduce the problem here | 14:00 |
| mece | lizardo, perhaps I don't have python-central | 14:01 |
| lizardo | mece: well, you should have, because python-osso depends on it :) | 14:01 |
| lizardo | mece: otherwise it would not install | 14:01 |
| mece | lizardo, lol right :D | 14:01 |
| lizardo | mece: can you check your python-central version ? (dpkg -l python-central) | 14:02 |
| mece | 0.6.11.1maemo1 | 14:02 |
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| lizardo | mece: ok, here I have 0.6.11.1maemo2 (again, took from extras-devel) | 14:02 |
| mece | k. | 14:02 |
| lizardo | mece: ideally, we will have all these updates in extras-testing some day | 14:02 |
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| jrocha | lizardo, hi there | 14:03 |
| lizardo | mece: it just happens that these packages are not being automatically promoted to extras-testing as they should | 14:03 |
| mece | lizardo, nod. Are there some other version in testing? | 14:03 |
| lizardo | jrocha: hi | 14:03 |
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| jrocha | lizardo, about python 2.3 in SB, do I have it because I've been upgrading SB since a while now or is it normal for it to be there | 14:04 |
| lizardo | from repository.maemo.org: "The proxy server did not receive a timely response from the upstream server." :/ | 14:04 |
| jrocha | lizardo, how can I set the 2.5 as the default and ever used one | 14:04 |
| mece | lizardo, I'll try to remove python-central and reinstall this and see if it helps. | 14:04 |
| jrocha | lizardo, the 2.3 is messing with me when I try to generate debian files for a python pet project | 14:04 |
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| lizardo | jrocha: python2.3 has always been there , and it has always been a nightmare for python developers because of that :) | 14:05 |
| lizardo | jrocha: short answer is : always use python2.5 explicitely | 14:05 |
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| lizardo | jrocha: do you use CDBS for the packaging ? | 14:05 |
| jrocha | lizardo, yes | 14:05 |
| jrocha | well, I use it together with a setup script | 14:06 |
| lizardo | jrocha: ok, you have too options | 14:06 |
| lizardo | jrocha: add "cdbs_python_compile_version = 2.5" to your debian/rules | 14:06 |
| lizardo | jrocha: or | 14:06 |
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| lizardo | jrocha: add this nice hack^H^H^Htrick to your debian/rules: | 14:07 |
| lizardo | # workaround to avoid calling Scratchbox python2.3 | 14:07 |
| lizardo | PATH := /usr/bin:$(PATH) | 14:07 |
| lizardo | export PATH | 14:07 |
| lizardo | SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE = /usr/bin/python | 14:07 |
| lizardo | export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE | 14:07 |
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| tigert | odin_: just free non-free afaik | 14:08 |
| jrocha | lizardo, nice, thanks | 14:08 |
| jrocha | lizardo, I will try that later | 14:08 |
| lizardo | jrocha: just be careful with the second option, because unfortunately scratchbox uses python for some of it internal tools and those tools might fail if they are called by debian/rules at some point | 14:08 |
| lizardo | jrocha: but both worked for me so far :) | 14:08 |
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| jrocha | lizardo, btw, do you think that this might be what's causing my debian package to link the destiny paths for my packages as: /scratchbox/user/..../python2.3.... | 14:09 |
| lizardo | jrocha: yes, I'm sure :) | 14:09 |
| lizardo | jrocha: because those paths are taken from the running interpreter | 14:10 |
| jrocha | lizardo, I get the whole path from /scratchbox instead of the relative /usr/lib/python2.5... | 14:10 |
| jrocha | lizardo, I see | 14:10 |
| lizardo | jrocha: and inside scratchbox python == python2.3 (even if you call /usr/bin/python !) | 14:10 |
| jrocha | lizardo, nice, I'll try your suggestions. hopefully you'll save my day | 14:11 |
| jrocha | :) | 14:11 |
| lizardo | :) | 14:11 |
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| maki1908_ | sorry for interrupt, Im new here, and I have problem with this "SBOX_CPU TRANSPARENCY _ METHOD not set" =) | 14:12 |
| mece | lizardo, python-osso seems to install completely separate from python-central | 14:12 |
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| maki1908_ | can somebody help =) | 14:12 |
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| maki1908_ | how can i setup transparency method for FREMANTLE X86 | 14:13 |
| lizardo | mece: oh, now I see | 14:14 |
| lizardo | mece: there is a bug in that python-osso version | 14:14 |
| lizardo | mece: it lacks the necessary depends on python-central :( | 14:14 |
| mece | lizardo, good to know. | 14:14 |
| lizardo | mece: but it was fixed on maemo2 | 14:14 |
| lizardo | mece: so one more reason to push python-osso into extras-testing ASAP :) | 14:14 |
| mece | lizardo, so I'll just activate devel and install python-osso from there, and then disable it again, and I should be golden? | 14:15 |
| lizardo | mece: it should work ;) | 14:15 |
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| lizardo | mece: or you can download directly from | 14:16 |
| lizardo | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/python-osso/python-osso_0.4-0maemo2_armel.deb | 14:16 |
| lizardo | mece: and "dpkg -i python-osso_0.4-0maemo2_armel.deb" | 14:16 |
| mece | lizardo, yeah I' was just doing that :) | 14:16 |
| mece | lizardo, thanks | 14:17 |
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| mece | Wohoo! Works :D | 14:20 |
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| Blast | hello all... | 14:22 |
| Blast | I have a small question... | 14:22 |
| Blast | provided the N900 can vibrate... is there an API for that? And where's the doc? | 14:22 |
| jaem | Blast, mce? | 14:22 |
| jaem | I think? | 14:22 |
| jaem | I imagine you'd use DBus | 14:22 |
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| jaem | look up MCE | 14:22 |
| jaem | it also controls the LED | 14:23 |
| Blast | mee too I'd imagine that... but haven't found any good info, apart from the possibility to use vibra plugins... | 14:23 |
| jaem | well, take a look-see in /etc/mce/mce.ini, for starters | 14:23 |
| Blast | how about that? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain | 14:23 |
| Blast | Vibra notification plugin: Emits bursts of vibration and controls the vibration hw. | 14:23 |
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| Blast | I read the SDK 5 should have a Vibration API | 14:26 |
| Blast | am I wrong? | 14:26 |
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| jaem | just looking | 14:26 |
| Blast | if it's thru DBus, I see no reason to call it an API... (thanks for looking anyway...) | 14:26 |
| Blast | :) | 14:27 |
| jaem | take a look at http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/mce-dev/include/mce/dbus-names.h | 14:27 |
| jaem | well, DBus is a form of API - just not in the traditional sense | 14:27 |
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| jaem | I guess qualifying it with the prefix "DBus" would make "API" a bit more clear, though | 14:27 |
| plr_ | hmm pdf reader is quite basic one - Zoom can only be 50, 100, 150% etc. and scrollin from one page to another is not possible, you have to press a virtual button to get to the next page (which forces you to close the full screen) .. | 14:28 |
| plr_ | is there any other choices? | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | swipe not work? | 14:28 |
| kynde | mashiara: I'm not entirely certain what's going on with the scratchbox kernel compilation. Since I build the rx51_defconfig as-is and the modules it spews out are considerably different from those in kernel-modules 2.6.28-20094102.3+0m5 | 14:28 |
| tigert | plr_: yeah, it is one of those things that didnt get much updates from previous releases | 14:28 |
| jaem | plr_, I don't know if anything else is ported yet, but probably soon | 14:28 |
| plr_ | SpeedEvil: it will work to scroll the page you are on, but then it will not change the page | 14:29 |
| jaem | tigert, yeah, I noticed | 14:29 |
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| tigert | would be nice to have a good pannable & swipeable one | 14:29 |
| Blast | jaem... looking :) | 14:30 |
| mikhas | free zooming for the pdf reader would be more important for now | 14:30 |
| mikhas | otherwise you have to make your presentations to exactly with the given zoom levels of the pdf reader =/ | 14:30 |
| mikhas | *to exactly match | 14:31 |
| plr_ | can fbreader open pdf's? | 14:31 |
| Blast | jaem... it is definitely there.. I suppose it's the only way... gonna have a look at some examples thou... | 14:31 |
| plr_ | mikhas I agree | 14:31 |
| Blast | if you happen to have any ... it would be great... :) | 14:31 |
| mikhas | file an enhancement request at b.m.o? if it isnt there already =) | 14:32 |
| plr_ | I instantly tried the web browser circle zoom, but nothing happened | 14:32 |
| mikhas | oh yeah, same here! | 14:32 |
| mikhas | browser gestures are addictive | 14:32 |
| Lynoure | Is there a user's guide to N900 somewhere? | 14:32 |
| tigert | mikhas: ideally it should column-zoom just like the browser | 14:32 |
| tigert | Lynoure: in your N900? | 14:32 |
| Lynoure | I got mine on loan, so did not get anything other than a quick start guide... | 14:33 |
| jaem | Blast, you said you don't have an N900, right? | 14:33 |
| tigert | Lynoure: look into Documents | 14:33 |
| Blast | no, I don't... | 14:33 |
| mece | is there nano for N900? | 14:33 |
| Blast | it's arriving :) | 14:33 |
| mikhas | true, tigert. but it is a bit harder to detect columns in a PDF | 14:33 |
| mikhas | at least I think it is | 14:33 |
| tigert | mikhas: yeah I suppose | 14:33 |
| plr_ | reflow would be nice as well.. | 14:33 |
| jaem | Blast, have you used DBus before? | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | pdf is silly on mobile devices | 14:33 |
| tigert | reflow for pdf is not really sensible | 14:33 |
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| Lynoure | tigert: oh my :) | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | actually no. | 14:34 |
| Lynoure | reflow can be sensible... | 14:34 |
| tigert | as layout is an important part of the document format | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | PDF is utterly broken on mobile devices | 14:34 |
| Blast | jaem, nope.. that's the reason I was hoping for some straight API.. :) | 14:34 |
| Lynoure | but seems to wreck code examples often | 14:34 |
| tigert | it would then not be "pdf viewer" | 14:34 |
| tigert | now, rendering the _content_ in another form might be | 14:34 |
| Lynoure | many people use pdf for something plain text or html would suffice for | 14:34 |
| jaem | Blast, okay, well, check over http://dbus.freedesktop.org | 14:34 |
| tigert | Lynoure: I am a designer, I use pdfs for print etc... | 14:34 |
| Lynoure | and for those pdfs, reflow is goodness :) | 14:35 |
| tigert | you dont want to reflow those :) | 14:35 |
| Blast | jaem, ok, thank you so much... | 14:35 |
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| tigert | but there are different use cases for pdf for sure | 14:35 |
| jaem | and KDE's Techbase Wiki has some good info, although the examples are all Qt-specific | 14:35 |
| jaem | Blast, I've spent the last four days tearing my hair out over DBus, but now I actually get it :) | 14:35 |
| jaem | lol | 14:35 |
| jaem | it's a bit confusing at first | 14:35 |
| jaem | but here's something to get you started, when you get your device | 14:35 |
| jaem | you'll want to save this somewhere | 14:35 |
| jaem | to turn the vibe on: | 14:36 |
| jaem | from the command line, that is | 14:36 |
| Blast | jaem... I haven't been to sincere... been using HAL... but just from the user side, no coding experience... | 14:36 |
| jaem | dbus-send --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_patter_activate string:PatternIncomingCall | 14:37 |
| jaem | --system means the system bus (not the session bus) | 14:37 |
| Blast | oh, wow :) | 14:37 |
| jaem | --dest is the remote object you're accessing | 14:37 |
| Blast | that will save my day as soon as I start coding! | 14:37 |
| jaem | s/object/service/ | 14:37 |
| jaem | sorry | 14:37 |
| infobot | jaem meant: --dest is the remote service you're accessing | 14:37 |
| jaem | /com/nokia/mce/request is the path to the *object* you want to call a method of | 14:38 |
| jaem | and com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate is the fully qualified method name | 14:38 |
| jaem | (qualified with the name of the interface that the object implements to provide that method | 14:38 |
| jaem | after that is just arguments | 14:39 |
| jaem | hopefully that will wet your feet, so to speak | 14:39 |
| Blast | so I suppose including a dbus api would be enough to send a message | 14:39 |
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| Blast | to the service I require... | 14:39 |
| jaem | one sec | 14:39 |
| jaem | not exactly | 14:40 |
| jaem | DBus is a bit weird | 14:40 |
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| Blast | eheh too good to be true ;) | 14:40 |
| jaem | the simple way to do things is to use your language's DBus bindings to create a DBus message, fill it with arguments, and send it off | 14:41 |
| jaem | the proper way to do things is to generate a wrapper class, or "proxy" (to the remote object) | 14:41 |
| jaem | that normally requires a feature that Nokia probably hasn't implemented :P | 14:41 |
| jaem | look up the Introspection section of the DBus Spec in the link I gave you | 14:42 |
| Blast | in my case, if one can define vib-patterns it should be enough to send simple messages... | 14:42 |
| jaem | you'll probably have to write the XML yourself, but the examples cover the basic cases | 14:42 |
| Blast | that will not be a huge problem... | 14:43 |
| jaem | Blast, patterns can be defined in /etc/mce/mce.ini | 14:43 |
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| jaem | then you just reference them by name in the DBus call | 14:43 |
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| jaem | as I said, mess around with DBus - it might take a bit of getting used to | 14:43 |
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| jaem | oh, and you probably should know this | 14:44 |
| jaem | if you run that command, your phone will vibrate for all eternity | 14:44 |
| jaem | so you'll want to run a similar command with the word "activate" changed to "deactivate" :P | 14:45 |
| Blast | just to understand... where did you read about the: "com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_patter_activate" ? | 14:45 |
| jaem | also, I think I made a typo in that, but it should be obvious, and I'm too tired to care | 14:45 |
| jaem | good luck | 14:45 |
| jaem | oh? | 14:45 |
| jaem | ah | 14:45 |
| jaem | in http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/mce-dev/include/mce/dbus-names.h | 14:46 |
| jaem | req_vibrator_pattern_activate is the method | 14:46 |
| jaem | line 411 | 14:46 |
| Blast | ok, found it... | 14:46 |
| Blast | thank you, u have been really appreciated! | 14:46 |
| Blast | can't wait to get my hands on N900... | 14:47 |
| jaem | it takes some form of string as a parameter, but what that is depends on your language | 14:47 |
| jaem | Blast, I'm sure you'll like it | 14:47 |
| Blast | as I ordered from the states... | 14:47 |
| jaem | I was lucky enough to get mine prerelease, and it's awesome :) | 14:47 |
| Blast | (I'm in italy) | 14:47 |
| Blast | and it will be remailed to me... | 14:47 |
| jaem | Blast, I know, I just checked ;) | 14:47 |
| Blast | should the guy sending it over check for something | 14:47 |
| Blast | before he ships it along? | 14:48 |
| jaem | what do you mean? | 14:48 |
| Blast | (heard about the mic failing...) | 14:48 |
| jaem | hmm... haven't had any hardware issues | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm trying to enable extras testing. As outlined in http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing | 14:48 |
| Blast | some preliminary checks... possibly make a phone call? | 14:48 |
| jaem | Blast, sure, why not, if you want | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I setup the repo in the application manager, hit update, and it comes back with errors - I check the errors, and find I'm getting 404s | 14:48 |
| Blast | if there's some other common major problem... | 14:48 |
| jaem | blast, by the way, if you're interested in DBus, watch my blog in the next while (http://ffejery.creativemisconfiguration.com) | 14:49 |
| jaem | I'm crazy busy with exams and such now, but I'm planning on doing some articles about it | 14:49 |
| Blast | bookmarking... | 14:49 |
| jaem | to save other people like you the hassle I went throutgh | 14:49 |
| jaem | :P | 14:49 |
| Blast | now that's GNU Talking! | 14:49 |
| Blast | ;) | 14:49 |
| VRe | Blast: hope so, mine has broken earpiece. Waiting for friday to see if I can get one from the shop so I can return this. | 14:49 |
| Blast | VRe... so you suggest I shall ask the guy to use it a bit before sending? | 14:50 |
| jaem | anyhow, it's almost 5am here, so I should get some sleep | 14:50 |
| Blast | (gonna have trouble with the warranty in europe if it is a US model) | 14:50 |
| Blast | jaem, thank you REALLY much | 14:51 |
| jaem | Blast, ahahaahaah | 14:51 |
| jaem | you don't know the half of it | 14:51 |
| VRe | Blast: I would.. | 14:51 |
| jaem | warrantying a US model in *Canada* almost cost me $60 in UPS ransom | 14:51 |
| jaem | luckily I got that sorted out | 14:51 |
| Blast | jaem, just imagine... the cost in italy is the same... except that it's in euros! | 14:51 |
| jaem | Blast, you're welcome - good that you caught me. I have finally grokked the way of the DBus, and it is good - I just hope you don't have to spend as much time as I did on it | 14:52 |
| jaem | heh | 14:52 |
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| jaem | Blast, lol | 14:52 |
| Blast | look: www.nokiausa.com - $569.00 | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | On the topic of my last query. Fremantle is a silly name. | 14:53 |
| Blast | www.nokia.it - €599,00 | 14:53 |
| Blast | and, on top of that... nokia.it does not deliver yet! | 14:53 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: 'SpeedEvil' is a bit meh too | 14:53 |
| w00t | :-) | 14:53 |
| Blast | oh, I have another silly question... what's the N900 Bootloader? | 14:54 |
| mece | can you use checkinstall in sb? | 14:54 |
| Blast | can it be reflashed? | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I couldn't spot that 'freemantle' was a typo | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | Blast: you don't want to, it loads a zImage and that's about what you need to know :P | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | and provides a way to save your ass when you have bricked your device | 14:55 |
| Blast | Stskeeps, how about to load an alternative zImage? | 14:55 |
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| Blast | or possibly an alternative initrd? | 14:55 |
| jaem | Blast, what he's saying is yes, but it *will* eat your hamster if you try | 14:55 |
| Blast | like having 2 kernels available... | 14:56 |
| Blast | isn't there an option for that? | 14:56 |
| jebba900 | blast yes u can | 14:56 |
| kynde | ls | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | Blast: no, it loads one kernel, either from NAND or USB | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | Blast: you can install your own kernel though | 14:57 |
| jebba900 | search alternative bootloader in the wiki | 14:57 |
| Blast | NO-LO ... I suppose it resembles LI-LO | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | Blast: you can install boot menu if you want though, but not for kernels :/ | 14:57 |
| Blast | oh, btw, I really think the maemo website | 14:58 |
| Blast | is VERY messy | 14:58 |
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| DangerMaus | heh] | 14:58 |
| Blast | I don't think a wiki was a good choice for such a MASSIVE project | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | Blast: uhm.. there's maemo.org and wiki.maemo.org | 14:58 |
| RST38h | So, what disasters struck Maemoworld while I was working? | 14:59 |
| Blast | NoLo bootloader not only is proprietary and sucky, there's almost no documentation available for it anywhere. | 14:59 |
| Blast | ;) | 14:59 |
| Blast | good starting point! ;) | 14:59 |
| mece | Blast, well nolo means embarrassed, so I suppose it does suck :D | 15:00 |
| jaem | Blast, NoLo stands for "Nokia Loader", I believe | 15:00 |
| jaem | mece, which language? | 15:00 |
| mece | jaem, finnish, duh :P | 15:01 |
| jaem | mece, lol | 15:01 |
| tigert | nolo means embarassing in finnish | 15:01 |
| tigert | or embarassed yeah | 15:01 |
| mece | 's what i said | 15:01 |
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| tigert | yeah | 15:01 |
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| mece | anyway, I was wondering do the debian armel builds work in maemo? Like nano for example. | 15:02 |
| Blast | I plan to work with a crypted fs... | 15:02 |
| Blast | so the boot loader is a point I will have to deal with in the next future... | 15:03 |
| Blast | possibly bypassed by a good working init script... but who knows... :) | 15:03 |
| tigert | you want this for protection of your files? | 15:03 |
| jaem | Blast, if you find a way to do that, I'd be quite interested :) | 15:03 |
| tigert | maybe try mounting /home/user with some crypt thing? | 15:04 |
| Blast | jaem, that will be my main goal... | 15:05 |
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| Blast | tigert, /home? mmm | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | mount /home/user -o encryption=rot13 | 15:05 |
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| mece | woo nano :D | 15:05 |
| Blast | I was planning for / <- | 15:05 |
| mece | vi was making me want to do drugs. | 15:06 |
| Blast | oh, btw, could someone paste a default "fdisk -ul" for N900? | 15:06 |
| Blast | just to pre-realize what I am going to mess with :) | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | fdisk -ul | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | -sh: fdisk: not found | 15:06 |
| Blast | oh :) | 15:06 |
| jaem | cfdisk is available | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | sfdisk.. | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:07 |
| Blast | cfdisk would do... | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1698327 | 15:08 |
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| Blast | is that original? untouched? | 15:10 |
| Blast | could you also paste a "mount" output? | 15:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | no, I've installed maybe 20M of stuff | 15:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1698335 | 15:11 |
| Blast | SpeedEvil, no, I mean if you had repartioned... | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - no | 15:11 |
| Blast | gotta get used to that... | 15:12 |
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| Blast | ... /home/user ... wtf! "user" ... | 15:12 |
| mece | latest linux mag has a tutorial for making Qt apps for maemo I hear. Something I find promising for the platform :) | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | Blast: welcome to maemo | 15:12 |
| Blast | i've had /home/manu for the past 10 years | 15:12 |
| Blast | and I don't plan to symlink me! | 15:13 |
| mece | Blast, useradd -d /home/manu manu | 15:13 |
| Blast | mece, what about "MyDocs" ? | 15:13 |
| Blast | :) | 15:13 |
| Blast | nah... the partition table need a major rethink... | 15:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oooh - portrait mode! | 15:14 |
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| mece | grr argh why does all my debs install crap into local? | 15:15 |
| Blast | Thank you guys... very helpful... going out for lunch... | 15:15 |
| Blast | have a nice day/night... depending on your location ;) | 15:15 |
| VRe | mece: qt is quite simple. Just make software on desktop and then compile in scrachbox. Should work quite well from the box. | 15:17 |
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| mece | VRe, so I hear. I just think it's nice that Linux Magazine promotes maemo. | 15:18 |
| VRe | I don't think they promote. They write arcticles to get readers. | 15:19 |
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| mece | VRe, it's still promoting. | 15:21 |
| VRe | well, then they for sure promoted already during 770 days. Tablet with linux and all.. | 15:22 |
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| agi | re | 15:25 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/02/mephedrone_madness/ | 15:29 |
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| * frals_ is waiting for talk to explode with "maemo6 device 2h2010" | 15:38 | |
| tKMFDM | RST38h, mephedrone is quite a dangerous development. I've done extensive research on it. There is a strong possibility that it causes mitral valve prolapse and pulmonary edema. It is also highly probable that it is as toxic to dopamine receptors as methamphetamine and methcathinone | 15:38 |
| * Stskeeps blinks | 15:39 | |
| RST38h | tKMFDM: In other words, junkies have found another shit to kill themselves with | 15:39 |
| tKMFDM | RST38h, in other words prohibition has lead to a drug more dangerous than the illegal drugs being sold because the stuff people really want is illegal | 15:40 |
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| RST38h | Still, it probably does not make you claw your crotch out =) | 15:40 |
| tKMFDM | and most people using mephedrone are kids | 15:40 |
| tKMFDM | not junkies | 15:40 |
| tKMFDM | usually who have little to no drug experience | 15:40 |
| tKMFDM | in the UK it is available at virtually every headshop | 15:40 |
| * RST38h isn't so sure about prohibition leading to that, but anyway | 15:40 | |
| tKMFDM | and no it doesn't make you claw your crotch out | 15:40 |
| tKMFDM | I've used it | 15:40 |
| tKMFDM | I would not do so again | 15:41 |
| tKMFDM | but no my crotch wasn't clawed out | 15:41 |
| tKMFDM | it does make you smell like a bathroom urinal cake though | 15:41 |
| tKMFDM | it is excreted in the sweat | 15:41 |
| RST38h | urgh | 15:41 |
| Flandry | so you're saying i could get high *and* be irresistible to women while i kill myself? | 15:42 |
| tKMFDM | seriously though no one would use this crap if the prohibited stuff was regulated | 15:42 |
| tKMFDM | and then kids wouldn't be able to score the currently illegal substances that are often easier to obtain for them than alcohol | 15:42 |
| tKMFDM | Flandry, you could look at it that way yes | 15:43 |
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| RST38h | "Live webcast from Nokia Capital Markets Day" went to "Offtopic". WTF? | 15:43 |
| Flandry | the question is, does it let users kill as many other people as alcohol does | 15:44 |
| RST38h | tKMFDM: I am sure somebody would, prohibition or not | 15:44 |
| tKMFDM | RST38h, yes somebody would | 15:44 |
| tKMFDM | somebody however; would be a lot fewer than currently use it | 15:44 |
| tKMFDM | most people using mephedrone are taking it as an mdma alternative | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | http://crimeandjustice.org.uk/estimatingdrugharms.html - fun | 15:44 |
| tKMFDM | because they either can't obtain mdma or do not want to risk prosecution | 15:44 |
| RST38h | The thing I noticed is that drugs like company | 15:44 |
| tKMFDM | the rest are taking it as an alternative to other stimulants | 15:44 |
| Flandry | i'm not really worried what people do to themselves as much as what they do to others | 15:45 |
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| RST38h | Small groups of friends start using the same drugs, then switch to harder stuff, then group members slowly start fucking themselves up | 15:45 |
| Flandry | so frankly if it causes less DUI homiciides, it's better than alcohol | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | (fig 1 on page 10 - relative drug harms) | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Usually takes 3-5 years from the moment they start smoking grass =) | 15:45 |
| tKMFDM | such as cocaine or methamphetamine which while both addiction prone and dangerous substances are at least well studied. we know what the risk of these substances are both long term and short term. mephedrones risk is completely unknown. only estimatable at t his time | 15:45 |
| tKMFDM | RST38h, separate the drug markets like the netherlands does | 15:46 |
| tKMFDM | almost no cannabis user in holland users hard drugs | 15:46 |
| Myrtti | ohai, I can haz maemo discussion? | 15:46 |
| Flandry | wrong channel Myrtti | 15:46 |
| tKMFDM | Myrtti, ok i'll throw something out there. there needs to be an rdp client that works with the keyboard | 15:46 |
| Myrtti | politics and drug discussion make my head hurt | 15:46 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Yea, would you like fries with that? =) | 15:46 |
| Robot101 | Myrtti: DUI *is* a Maemo discussion :) | 15:46 |
| Robot101 | it didn't cse any homicides... yet | 15:46 |
| tKMFDM | we need a cool acronym for driving while using the device | 15:47 |
| RST38h | Ironically, Robot is correct =) | 15:47 |
| RST38h | DirectUI | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwDRBm-qbQI - on the current topic. | 15:47 |
| Robot101 | its unclear what they were smoking though :) | 15:47 |
| tKMFDM | I've so far avoided walking into people (or cars or bikes) while walking around using the device | 15:47 |
| Myrtti | oh noes, my Ubuntu IRC experience hasn't yet worn off from me | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | tKMFDM: I am currently losing weight and shivering due to my n900. | 15:47 |
| * Myrtti goes to scrub her hands with pumice and lye | 15:48 | |
| tKMFDM | on last point i was in the middle of that i simply had to throw in is that almost no one in NL uses grass either despite it being for sale in every major city | 15:48 |
| tKMFDM | SpeedEvil, elucidate | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | (diet, partially to pay for it, and heating minimal) | 15:48 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Got your N900? | 15:48 |
| Flandry | lol | 15:48 |
| tKMFDM | lol | 15:48 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: I've not ordered or paid for one | 15:48 |
| Myrtti | I'd be surprised if I'd get one :-D | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | tKMFDM: I couldn't really afford it. But it was good motivation for diet. And I need to lose maybe 25Kg) | 15:48 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Not interested in N900 as opposed to N8x0 or some other reason? =) | 15:49 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: waiting for the prices go down a bit more, mainly. And the latest press release with "Maemo6 device to ship on second half of 2010" has made the consideration process a bit harder | 15:50 |
| |R | Anyone has ordered from MobileCityOnline? | 15:51 |
| Flandry | N900 shipped in "the latter half of 2009" | 15:51 |
| Lynoure | Myrtti: with that kind of thinking you might always wait for the next one :) | 15:51 |
| Flandry | how long do you want to wait :D | 15:51 |
| lopz | hola ;} | 15:51 |
| Myrtti | Lynoure: but maemo6 is the step 5 in the roadmap with 5 steps... | 15:52 |
| suihkulokki | Lynoure: and in process save a lot of money =) | 15:52 |
| jpjokela | Myrtti: I'd rather see it like this: "First modern non-symbian Nokia phone shipping now-ish" | 15:52 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Ah, that... :) | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: I would consider ordering from US as alternative to waiting for prices to fall | 15:52 |
| Lynoure | Myrtti: Want to join maemo revolution at the end of the path? *trollish* | 15:52 |
| Flandry | if i could wait i would buy my phone and zaurus have both had it | 15:52 |
| Myrtti | I'm not sure yet if I want to pay 530€ for a "nice try, but no bonus"-phone that'll be more or less obsolete in a year | 15:52 |
| zaheer_ | s/obsolete/outdates | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: (+) You get all four arrows (-) kbd layout switch bug suddenly becomes relevant | 15:53 |
| zaheer_ | outdated even | 15:53 |
| |R | I don't think anything with people in suit can be called a revolution though :P | 15:53 |
| Lynoure | Every phone is "outdated" after a year :) | 15:53 |
| Myrtti | Lynoure: I'm working and being paid for being a part of the revolution, and have been for 18 months already, so your argument doesn't roll | 15:53 |
| zaheer_ | i am sure gsm, edge, 3g, hsdpa, wifi all will exist 2nd half of 2010 | 15:53 |
| Flandry | s/but/buy | 15:53 |
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| zaheer_ | so obsolete is an exaggeration | 15:53 |
| Lynoure | |R: I would not call maemo people people in suits... | 15:53 |
| rashed2020 | 530 euros?!?! | 15:54 |
| Lynoure | |R: though some of them here might shock me with that =) | 15:54 |
| |R | Lynoure: agreed, but there backing is :) | 15:54 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: $500 though? | 15:54 |
| |R | their | 15:54 |
| Lynoure | Myrtti: oh, you work for Nokia? | 15:54 |
| |R | (just woken up and usually speak french, sorry :P) | 15:54 |
| Lynoure | Myrtti: or, maemo, in particular, that is? | 15:54 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: I could get it for free in UK with a plan I'm likely to get anyway, but I want specifically a Nordic version of the device | 15:54 |
| Flandry | actually, do we know yet if the next device will support a stylus? If not i'm really not interested | 15:54 |
| Myrtti | Lynoure: Nokia subcontractor | 15:55 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: no way I can understand that... | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | af'noon all | 15:55 |
| Flandry | good morning :) | 15:55 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: I mean, specifically NOT getting .RU version here because of the arrows... | 15:55 |
| rashed2020 | Myrtti: What's so special about the Nordic version? | 15:55 |
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| Lynoure | Myrtti: but for maemo? What company? What do you do? (Got curious, have not heard about you since I left #u-o | 15:55 |
| zaheer_ | Jaffa, is it intended that while doing the contatcs updating in hermes, there is no indication that it is busy? | 15:55 |
| Lynoure | (other than FB statusi, but those do not count) | 15:56 |
| Myrtti | rashed2020: I'm sceptic about being able to use scandic characters in other versions of the device | 15:56 |
| tKMFDM | Myrtti, i hear from others that you can | 15:56 |
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| tKMFDM | if you add other languages | 15:56 |
| tKMFDM | they appear int he symbols dialog | 15:56 |
| Myrtti | "how convinient" | 15:56 |
| tKMFDM | granted then it is cumbersome | 15:56 |
| Lynoure | Should be possible to add them to the keyboard, with xkb-fu | 15:57 |
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| Lynoure | Have not gotten around to it then | 15:57 |
| tKMFDM | i wonder when we will get firmware that can add more than two languages | 15:57 |
| tKMFDM | apparently the firmware nokians have already can | 15:57 |
| Lynoure | s/then/yet/ | 15:57 |
| infobot | Lynoure meant: Have not gotten around to it yet | 15:57 |
| suihkulokki | it is possible to change the hwkb layout from the control panel | 15:57 |
| zaheer_ | yes | 15:57 |
| zaheer_ | it is | 15:58 |
| Lynoure | suihkulokki: yes, but it does not say what key goes where... | 15:58 |
| Myrtti | besides, my brain is mapped quite tightly to use Finnish hw keyboard | 15:58 |
| DangerMaus | heh | 15:58 |
| suihkulokki | zaheer_: it was not a question, it was a statement =) | 15:58 |
| RST38h | Myrtti. tKMFDM: Be aware of bug #2501 | 15:58 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 Hardware keyboard doesn't switch Input language when pressing Ctrl+Space | 15:58 |
| zaheer_ | mine was not a rebuttal but a verification :) | 15:58 |
| Myrtti | I had to buy stickers for making a UK keyboard Finnish to be able to properly use it | 15:58 |
| Lynoure | suihkulokki: rumour I heard was that getting ä and ö would lose my cursor keys. | 15:58 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: hence why I'm sceptic | 15:58 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: layouts are memorizable, do not need stickers really. But that switch bug is a bummer | 15:59 |
| suihkulokki | Lynoure: it is not a rumour, it is a fact | 15:59 |
| Flandry | losing arrow keys though... | 15:59 |
| suihkulokki | that is why the bug RST38h should be fixed asap | 16:00 |
| Lynoure | suihkulokki: so, instead I'm thinking of having ä instead of pound sign and ö instead of euro | 16:00 |
| Myrtti | Lynoure: business card says "Nomovok Ltd", and I've got AUCtex as my main tool in emacs. | 16:01 |
| Jaffa | zaheer_: apart from the progress dialogue? | 16:01 |
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| Jaffa | zaheer_: (if you close the progress dialogue it won't reopen) | 16:01 |
| suihkulokki | (vote vote vote) | 16:01 |
| zaheer_ | Jaffa, progress dialogue? | 16:01 |
| zaheer_ | maybe i did close it and didn't notice | 16:02 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: You do understand that it exists since 2007 or so and NOBODY has fixed it so far? | 16:02 |
| Jaffa | zaheer_: you tap "retrieve" and it goes from "Fetching friends' info" through to "Updating contacts" | 16:02 |
| zaheer_ | i just saw my contacts app changing its number for all contacts while hermes was running | 16:02 |
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| zaheer_ | and this time i left it running and so got all my birthday only contacts, previous time i had closed it at some point... | 16:03 |
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| |R | Is the proximity sensor the one below the camera or the one above? | 16:05 |
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| Jaffa | once again, -users proving itself as a cesspool of crime and villainy | 16:08 |
| Myrtti | rashed2020: sorry, the lowest price atm is actually 539€ with shipping | 16:08 |
| rashed2020 | Myrtti: Is that in euros? Or do you mean another currency that you don't have the key for? | 16:09 |
| rashed2020 | Cuz that is an INSANE price if it's in euros. | 16:09 |
| Nitial | it is | 16:09 |
| Nitial | it's finnish price | 16:09 |
| Myrtti | rashed2020: yes, euros, and I use UTF8, what are you using? | 16:09 |
| Corsac | rashed2020: it's an euro sign :) | 16:09 |
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| Nitial | N900 is still cheap compared to the e90 when it was new... somehing like 900+ euros | 16:10 |
| |R | yiaoutch! | 16:10 |
| Nitial | Finland, VAT and all the happiness :P | 16:11 |
| frals_ | its like 560€ here in .se | 16:11 |
| Myrtti | with a contract the cheapest deal is around 22e/mo, and the contract probably includes absolutely *nothing* | 16:11 |
| Myrtti | and you're tied to it for 24mo | 16:11 |
| GAN900 | I can't believe what a throwaway device the N900 seems to be turning into. | 16:12 |
| GAN900 | Nokia just never learns. | 16:12 |
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| GAN900 | Multitouch idiocy. . . . | 16:13 |
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| Flandry | eh? | 16:14 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: perhaps they'd learn by maemo6? perhaps the next device is the jesus model that they can use as a base for everything forthcoming and make maemo6+ downwards compatible for all maemo6 devices? perhaps? maybe? hopefully? *shrug* | 16:14 |
| Flandry | GAN900: you mean by not including multitouch? | 16:14 |
| Myrtti | anyway, hope springs eternal | 16:15 |
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| GAN900 | Flandry, I mean not having multitouch on the N900 is a bullshit reason for not releasing an update for the N900. | 16:16 |
| Flandry | does the autobuilder check for binary package dependencies or just build dependencies? | 16:16 |
| Flandry | Oh, is that their official stance now? | 16:16 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, I have this sinking feeling that my relationship with Maemo will end with Harmattan. | 16:16 |
| Flandry | (no update) | 16:16 |
| GAN900 | Flandry, Nokia never has an official stance. | 16:16 |
| GAN900 | But that seems to be the direction the rumors point. | 16:17 |
| Flandry | ah ok :/ | 16:17 |
| GAN900 | Harmattan mostly looks like something I don't want. | 16:17 |
| GAN900 | For a ba | 16:17 |
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| Flandry | yeah | 16:17 |
| GAN900 | For a variety of practical and philosophical reasons. | 16:18 |
| Lynoure | Enough stress in my life, not worrying about something that happens about techtoys a year from now :) | 16:18 |
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| Khertan | Hello Everybody ! | 16:18 |
| Flandry | well GAN900's involvement in maemo goes a bit beyond just a toy | 16:18 |
| CoreFusion- | WOO!! My order status just changed to SHIPPED! | 16:19 |
| GAN900 | Indeed, I've invested way too much tine | 16:19 |
| w00t | CoreFusion-: uk? | 16:20 |
| GAN900 | time in this platform not to care. | 16:20 |
| CoreFusion- | w00t: Finland | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Surely they're not hinting multitouch will be so integral as to preclude N900 usage? | 16:20 |
| w00t | CoreFusion-: k, never mind then :-) | 16:20 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: "to Everything There is a Season" | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=404806&postcount=1935 | 16:20 |
| * w00t clicks | 16:20 | |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, that's what I keep hearing. | 16:20 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: *glare* | 16:21 |
| Flandry | Jaffa: fremantle for N800? | 16:21 |
| GAN900 | rangar has Thanked a post or two to that effect. | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: feels like a kick in the crotch, eh? :P | 16:21 |
| w00t | quite | 16:21 |
| tru | wonder when nokia sweden will ship the n900. | 16:21 |
| tru | what's the status for 1.1 firmware? | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | Flandry: H/w step change | 16:21 |
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| w00t | tru: they seem to be having a large amount of problems even shipping in countries it's already released in, so I'd expect that might impact it too | 16:22 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: bah | 16:22 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, indeed. | 16:22 |
| GAN900 | I can't possibly see that being justifiable. | 16:22 |
| GAN900 | Multitouch is so freaking gimmicky. | 16:22 |
| Flandry | Jaffa: so is step 5 one would assume by that logic | 16:23 |
| Myrtti | FECK | 16:23 |
| Flandry | that almost sounded unladylike | 16:23 |
| Myrtti | I snapped a nail :-< | 16:24 |
| Flandry | rofl | 16:24 |
| GAN900 | Besides, they HAVE to realize that jetisoning their existing owners over and over isn't an effective way to build a platform. | 16:24 |
| suihkulokki | anyone bugzilla empowered in bugs.maemo.org awake? | 16:24 |
| Flandry | you'd be surprised how many companies don't get that | 16:24 |
| GAN900 | suihkulokki, hmm? | 16:24 |
| Flandry | AT&T drove their cell business into the ground that way | 16:25 |
| GAN900 | Idiocy | 16:25 |
| Flandry | and then someone was dumb enough to think that renaming Cingular after that company was a good idea | 16:25 |
| zaheer_ | Stskeeps, yah well glad people are getting them :) | 16:25 |
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| Lupu | GAN900: You should try mailing them to suggest open-sourcing the platform so you can port Maemo6 for the N900. *grin* | 16:26 |
| Jaffa | Flandry: What h/w is on the horizon for 2H10? | 16:26 |
| zaheer_ | perosnally i think nokia should open source all the maemo 5 ui | 16:26 |
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| zaheer_ | if they're scrapping them all for qt based ui in maemo 6 | 16:27 |
| |R | indeed | 16:27 |
| Flandry | Jaffa: besides a mulitouch screen, not much different, but the point is they seem to make each step a new start | 16:27 |
| GAN900 | Lupu, I suspect there'll be a bit of justifying by poinring to Mer. | 16:27 |
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| |R | They hopefully add a digital compass too in the next N9x0 | 16:28 |
| |R | 'll | 16:28 |
| Flandry | i'm not justifying it, just pointing it out | 16:28 |
| Flandry | one would hope, yes | 16:28 |
| Flandry | and usb host | 16:28 |
| zaheer_ | hdmi out would be sweet too | 16:28 |
| Flandry | that's pretty much all that's missing | 16:28 |
| |R | yeah, and more ram haha ;) | 16:28 |
| Myrtti | uhuhhuh, mommys little baby ♥ Fonera 2.0n | 16:28 |
| Flandry | oh well that :) | 16:28 |
| Myrtti | it haz a tux on it :-D | 16:29 |
| CoreFusion- | And now I got the tracking code for my shipment :) | 16:29 |
| * GAN900 wonders what happened to MicroB being open sourced. | 16:29 | |
| zaheer_ | CoreFusion-, is it being shipped from finland or from NL? | 16:29 |
| * |R scrapped his order from september to get a lower price yesterday... and thus is never getting a phone | 16:29 | |
| CoreFusion- | zaheer_: from finland, from my operator | 16:29 |
| |R | Damn us in Canada | 16:29 |
| GAN900 | Maemo, that land of broken promises. | 16:30 |
| zaheer_ | CoreFusion-, aah ok :) | 16:30 |
| w00t | zaheer_: haha. i asked the same question ;) | 16:30 |
| w00t | (more or less) | 16:31 |
| Flandry | anyone know if the autobuilder will reject a build for binary package dependencies not being found? | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | has anyone got pidgin working? I installed it from extras-testing - it connects to freenode, then becomes confused, not logging in properly. | 16:31 |
| Flandry | That pretty much summarizes my pidgin experience throughout the years | 16:31 |
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| Flandry | it "becomes confused" | 16:31 |
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| GAN900 | suihkulokki, timeframe expiring momentarily. | 16:32 |
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| Jaffa | Flandry: build-deps: yes; depends: no (cos the autobuilder needs to build it to know them) | 16:32 |
| Flandry | ok thanks | 16:32 |
| |R | hehe pidgin on my debian unstable rights now after a while i come back, close a window, and it goes in a while(true): malloc() loop or something like that and then gets killed by the OOM manager.. | 16:33 |
| GAN900 | suihkulokki, ping timeout. | 16:34 |
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| suihkulokki | GAN900: no longer need that. | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | wb qwerty12_N900 | 16:41 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Thank you, Stskeeps | 16:41 |
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| sgbirch | OMG - Got my N900 a few days ago, just coming up to speed. It is INCREDIBLE | 16:49 |
| Flandry | sigh http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35055&page=15 | 16:49 |
| Flandry | deval extras | 16:50 |
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| plr_ | hmm camkeyd doesn't seem to work for me - the camera key still opens camera instead of dashboard | 16:51 |
| plr_ | it would be very nice to use it for dashboard | 16:51 |
| ShadowJK | instead of ctrl-backspace? | 16:51 |
| krig | Flandry: the guy with the problem did say that he hadn't touched the devel repo though | 16:51 |
| Flandry | yeah i know, but clueless kids wandering into the thread and spewing that doesn't help stuff | 16:52 |
| plr_ | shadow yeah | 16:52 |
| krig | very true | 16:52 |
| plr_ | ShadowJK: it's annoying when the keyboard is closed and app is full screen | 16:52 |
| roundyz | is xterm actaully the real xterm? or is it slim like rxvt? | 16:54 |
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| kalikiana | roundyz, if you mean the Terminal, it is a fork of Terminal, ie. found in Xfce | 16:55 |
| Jaffa | roundyz: What do you mean by "real" and "slim"? It's based on libvte like gnome-terminal | 16:56 |
| zaheer_ | "Listening to the obvious pride they are showing in how they staged the N900 introduction makes me wonder if the delay, confusing availability and messy sales processes, were all planned to create "talk," if not outright hype around the N900. It's also interesting to note what they do not talk about regarding this device, like how many unique orders they have actually got for the device, or expected sales volume, or whether it will be Mae | 16:56 |
| zaheer_ | mo6 compatible." from t.m.o re:nokia capital markets day | 16:56 |
| roundyz | yerh terminal, i meant | 16:56 |
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| Jaffa | zaheer_: Anyone who thinks that credits Nokia with more cunning than I think they've got. A *lot* more cunning. | 16:59 |
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| glass_ | conspiracy theories are fun to some people | 16:59 |
| zaheer_ | yah i think you're right :) | 16:59 |
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| Flandry | hi kalikiana | 17:01 |
| Klowner | overdriven jazz makes me angry (on hold with nokia) :[ | 17:01 |
| kalikiana | hey Flandry | 17:02 |
| Flandry | kalikiana: i was trying to remember if i verified that the /dev/input/uinput group is properly set after reboot. Did you check that yesterday? | 17:02 |
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| kalikiana | Flandry, iirc I did chgrp manually | 17:03 |
| Flandry | Instead of a reboot, changing it back to group root and then trying udevadm control --reload_rules would accomplish the same | 17:03 |
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| Flandry | i hope | 17:04 |
| Flandry | attila is going to upload the kernel module package, so if that udevadmn command does the trick, everything should work after the next uqm update | 17:05 |
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| kalikiana | Flandry, so you resolved the missing kernel symbols? | 17:07 |
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| kalikiana | I read some of the discussion about it, but not all | 17:07 |
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| Flandry | turns out he already has a workspace set up that can create kernel module builds, so i think it will be ok. The symbol problems were with the net module mashiara was working on | 17:09 |
| Flandry | mashiara sucessfully built and installed the joydev module, and sent it to me, but didn't have a way to autobuild it yet | 17:10 |
| Flandry | if you really want to test it out, you can get the module from the https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6492 bug report and install it | 17:11 |
| povbot | Bug 6492: Accelemymote component requires joydev kernel module | 17:11 |
| Flandry | but hopefully a deb will be on extras when attila uploads that | 17:11 |
| kalikiana | it's probably eaisest to wait and test it then, if he uploads it anyway | 17:13 |
| Klowner | waiting to talk to nokia human for nearly 30 mins, effing' jazz music | 17:13 |
| Myrtti | is it pan pipes? | 17:14 |
| jebbajeb | why in contacts if you add a phone number does it also add a SMS link? The numbers don't accept SMS (landlines)... | 17:14 |
| Klowner | I wish it were | 17:14 |
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| Klowner | it's a single terrible distorted song on a loop | 17:15 |
| Flandry | yes, true. Could you please do a quck chgrp on the uinput node and then call the update rules script to make sure that side of things is all set? | 17:15 |
| Flandry | chgrp root /dev/input/uinput | 17:15 |
| Flandry | udevadm control --reload_rules | 17:15 |
| Klowner | they don't need to say "sorry, our lines are busy, we will answer your call shortly" every 8 seconds | 17:16 |
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| Flandry | Klowner: that just makes it more annoying, doesn't it? | 17:16 |
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| Klowner | Flandry: totally | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | jebbajeb: FWIW, landlines in the UK can get SMSes (although I've never used it) | 17:16 |
| jebbajeb | heh. | 17:16 |
| jebbajeb | not here in .ar | 17:17 |
| jebbajeb | at least not that i've seen yet | 17:17 |
| Flandry | that's cool | 17:17 |
| ccooke | Jaffa: ... under some circumstances, with some providers? | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | jebbajeb: FWIW, landlines in the UK can get SMSes (although I've never used it) | 17:17 |
| jebbajeb | i think we need a #maemo, #maemo-devel, #maemo-bitch-about-nokia, heh | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | and #Maemo-bacon | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | ccooke: All do, AFAIK. BT, for example, ring you and it's read out | 17:18 |
| Klowner | amen | 17:18 |
| kalikiana | Flandry, did that. according to acceleremote it is fine | 17:18 |
| ccooke | Jaffa: and people with landlines from virgin? | 17:19 |
| Jaffa | jebbajeb: point me at a bug # and I'll vote for it :) | 17:19 |
| Jaffa | ccooke: same thing AIUI | 17:19 |
| ccooke | huh | 17:19 |
| Flandry | kalikiana: Great! thanks for checking that | 17:19 |
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| ccooke | I shall check | 17:19 |
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| ccooke | Jaffa: ... nope. | 17:21 |
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| PhonoE71 | Writing from wirelessIRC via symbian, and wondering what the best, most popular IRC client is on Maemo 5. What are you guys using? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | xchat? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:22 |
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| plr_ | xchat, but I guess I'm not the only one who uses screen+irssi | 17:23 |
| qwerty12_N900 | telnet | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | i use ssh+irssi mostlythough | 17:23 |
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| Jaffa | ccooke: doh | 17:24 |
| * Jaffa using ssh+irssi too | 17:24 | |
| ShadowJK | xchat + lots of channels + 3G == 57% battery remaining after 2 hours | 17:24 |
| tigert | ssh + screen + irssi | 17:24 |
| jebbajeb | PhonoE71: using xchat at the moment. Though i did install pidgin and the IRC plugin for "conversations" which i suppose i could try now | 17:24 |
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| ShadowJK | I switched to 2G and it was significantly better | 17:25 |
| tigert | its the awesome on the road | 17:25 |
| jebbajeb | ShadowJK: is xchat a hog? | 17:25 |
| PhonoE71 | Cheers, thanks everybody. I'll definitely want an on phone client... Looking at xchat now, is it currently compatible? | 17:25 |
| tigert | no disconnects to worry about | 17:25 |
| ShadowJK | jebba900, no it's 3G | 17:25 |
| vanksi | i second the shell with irssi in screen | 17:25 |
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| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, IRC needs an extension for powersaving ;p | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: no longer my scene | 17:25 |
| ccooke | ssh, screen and irssi is a wonderful platform :-) | 17:25 |
| tigert | screen is the thing that makes irssi so awesome | 17:25 |
| ShadowJK | I know | 17:25 |
| tigert | otherwise it is not | 17:25 |
| PhonoE71 | Jebbajeb: IRC plugin sounds interesting | 17:25 |
| jebbajeb | PhonoE71: ya, xchat is compatible. i'm using it now | 17:26 |
| jebba900 | over here | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | I saw mention on tmo or bugzilla that the irc plugin doesn't do channels... | 17:26 |
| plr_ | tigert: completely agree | 17:26 |
| jebbajeb | though i havent been able to save preferences in xchat yet... | 17:26 |
| tigert | ShadowJK: it doesnt because the n900 chat doesnt do group chats | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: that said, raising ping timeouts and maybe a PSM like protocol .. | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 17:26 |
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| ccooke | If you can't do it with ssh and screen, you probably haven't thought enough ;-) | 17:26 |
| jebbajeb | it did save autostartup freenode #maemo, but the main menu preferences crashes when i save it | 17:26 |
| tigert | plus irssi doesnt waste screen for useless gui | 17:27 |
| PhonoE71 | Thanks all, that should get me started | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | basically a "don't send my anything for 60seconds unless I ask"-command | 17:27 |
| tigert | its just the chat on fullscreen terminaö | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: except when display is on? | 17:27 |
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| tigert | ShadowJK: maybe some irssi / ssh powersave mode | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | Well, client would cancel that command when display comes on | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | the ssh powersave mode is ^A^D | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK | ;-) | 17:28 |
| jebbajeb | also for scrolling in xchat you have to grab the widget on the far right. You can't scroll by sliding up and down like in the browser and such. It hasnt really been tweaked for maemo much. | 17:28 |
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| tigert | that it could update in bursts every (timeout -1) seconds | 17:28 |
| tigert | ShadowJK: yeah | 17:28 |
| tigert | though i wonder if ssh does some keepalive stuff | 17:28 |
| tigert | that could be tuned? | 17:29 |
| derf | It has keepalive options, yes. | 17:29 |
| ShadowJK | jebbajeb, I think you have to get rid of the channel tree/tabs and userlist completely | 17:29 |
| ShadowJK | not enough room for chat otherwise with the huge widgets :/ | 17:29 |
| tigert | maemo openssh defauts should be checked for maximum powersave | 17:29 |
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| tigert | xchat ui would be a good one to work on, | 17:29 |
| derf | I'm pretty sure the defaults are no keepalives at all. | 17:29 |
| tKMFDM | xchat also has other issues | 17:30 |
| tigert | in barcelona next weekend | 17:30 |
| tKMFDM | changing settings crashes the client | 17:30 |
| derf | But either the client or the server can request them. | 17:30 |
| ShadowJK | Just esc 1 to status window in irssi where nothing happens anyway, and there will be minimum irssi traffic? | 17:30 |
| tigert | a well designed fremantle-style irc would be nice | 17:30 |
| ShadowJK | tKMFDM, yeah, I just copied settings from n810 | 17:30 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not so fond of "Conversations" either, the font is gigantic for my taste | 17:30 |
| tigert | ShadowJK: statusbar + chanact... | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | I guess it's fine for twitter generation where your attention span is about 80 chars | 17:31 |
| tKMFDM | i wonder if the settings files are identical to linux chat. if so i i'll just copy from my ox | 17:31 |
| tKMFDM | with some changes | 17:31 |
| tKMFDM | ShadowJK, you can change text size | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | tigert: I actually think pidgin - the way I have it setup for desktop - would be about right. Conversation window, with tabs down the right-hand-side - with the tabs lettering at right angles | 17:32 |
| tKMFDM | using the volume button i believe | 17:32 |
| tigert | yea | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | pidgin - the package - is broken | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: technically you could implement this power saving protocol in a BNC | 17:32 |
| tigert | could mockup something someday | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | or irssi-proxy | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, yes | 17:32 |
| tigert | now to cook dinner | 17:32 |
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| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, when I find the time I will | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | doesn't even need to be protocol-aware | 17:32 |
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| ShadowJK | if I put it infront of irssi-proxy or bnc | 17:32 |
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| wazd | hello maemo | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | I read somewhere that the zooming in conversations is going to get disabled? maybe I remember wrong | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/pidgin/ - how do I get from here to 'report an issue against this package' ? | 17:34 |
| jebbajeb | ShadowJK: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5624 | 17:34 |
| povbot | Bug 5624: Zoom in/out in IM chat does not reflow contents | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | pet peeve rapidly approaching #1: when you get the silly recurring "Unable to connect to one or more accounts", volume keys control volume | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | and not the app | 17:34 |
| jebbajeb | SpeedEvil: btw, i see at this very moment there is a new pidgin update, at least since last night | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | jebbajeb: downloaded a couple of hours ago | 17:35 |
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| Klowner | wait 50 mins to talk to returns and now they forward me to troubleshooting... grr | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | what is that area where the battery status and clock is display called? System notification area? systray? status tray? | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | status area | 17:36 |
| jebbajeb | pidgin 2.6.3-6nix0 is what i have at the moment | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | ANd what is that thing that pops up when you tap it called? The one with shortcuts to clock, profile, bluetooth, internet connection, volume, and so on? | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | status menu | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | OK | 17:36 |
| * mgedmin thinks | 17:36 | |
| mgedmin | ;) | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | what's that thing you get when you press power? | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | power menu? | 17:37 |
| suihkulokki | system ui | 17:37 |
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| ShadowJK | Now, open browser, switch browser out of fullscreen, open status menu from status area. Browser is blurred out, press volume keys. Volume is not changed. (It is changed when browser isn't shown) | 17:37 |
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| ShadowJK | Does that make sense? I'd really want it to change volume whenever status menu is out ;-) | 17:38 |
| lcuk | aSIMULAtor, ping | 17:38 |
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| jebbajeb | ShadowJK: you can vote for that conversations font size bug too... | 17:38 |
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| roundyz | I just wrote a hello world app, transfered it to mydocs and now I can't execute it as it wont let me tr to change permissions on the file, i do sudo gainroot; then chmod 777; ./helloARM | 17:38 |
| roundyz | wont work, permissions wont change, any idea? | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | roundyz: mydocs is probably noexec | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | (not sure though) | 17:39 |
| ShadowJK | jebbajeb, I guess, just to keep the zoom feature there :) | 17:39 |
| jebbajeb | :) | 17:39 |
| roundyz | yerh just got that, thanks | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | ShadowJK, I can reproduce, and I too think that's a bug | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | the exact opposite of my bug | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35686 | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | (pink theme) | 17:40 |
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| mgedmin | hello kitty! | 17:40 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: Thanks for making me vomit. | 17:40 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: no problem | 17:41 |
| jebbajeb | hello shitty | 17:41 |
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| ShadowJK | mgedmin, what's your bug? | 17:41 |
| Flandry | does fat even support file attributes, i don't remember? | 17:41 |
| jebbajeb | man, i just thought it was some sort of mockup, not a new theme yikes | 17:41 |
| Myrtti | my pink highlight has just been set off | 17:41 |
| Flandry | @roundyz | 17:41 |
| * Myrtti clicks | 17:41 | |
| qwerty12_N900 | Question is: Who's gonna be high enough to install it? | 17:42 |
| Myrtti | OH JESUS | 17:42 |
| wazd | heya maemo | 17:42 |
| * w00t clicks | 17:42 | |
| Myrtti | my eyes, they burn | 17:42 |
| Flandry | lol is that for real? | 17:42 |
| w00t | hey | 17:42 |
| wazd | Myrtti: you've summoned me I suppose :D | 17:42 |
| w00t | I really like that colour | 17:42 |
| Flandry | "Hello, Maemo" theme | 17:42 |
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| wazd | wowshit! | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: new game at maemo meetups.. get a person drunk and install hello kitty theme on the person's n900 | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | ShadowJK, <mgedmin> pet peeve rapidly approaching #1: when you get the silly recurring "Unable to connect to one or more accounts", volume keys control volume and not the app | 17:43 |
| Myrtti | I'd seriously want to see that in use | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:43 |
| wazd | that's not hello kitty :) | 17:43 |
| wazd | that's hello ACID :D | 17:43 |
| DangerMaus | ouch my eyeballs | 17:43 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: I'm going to use that theme | 17:43 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: nobody will ever dare steal my phone | 17:43 |
| Myrtti | who knows, perhaps it's even usable | 17:43 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: I wouldn't want to be held responsible for blinding someone | 17:43 |
| jebbajeb | # su - user | 17:43 |
| jebbajeb | $ passwd | 17:43 |
| jebbajeb | The password for user cannot be changed." | 17:43 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Fuck | 17:43 |
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| mgedmin | interesting | 17:45 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=405012&postcount=6 | 17:45 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Anyone see the irony? | 17:45 |
| Flandry | had to comment | 17:46 |
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| DangerMaus | haha | 17:46 |
| Flandry | who let God back in anyway | 17:47 |
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| orbarron | morning all | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | morning orbarron | 17:47 |
| jebbajeb | ok. So i want to scp videos over to "/home/user/MyDocs/.documents/Audio". I tried to change the password for "user" but, no go. I set up a /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys file, but it still prompts for a password. How to scp over stuff to "user"'s directory? Just as root, then chown? Seems goofy. | 17:47 |
| w00t | zaheer_: god dammit, my email notification went off.. i rush to my inbox: "Dear xxx@xxx.net receive 80% OFF on Pfizer" | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | jebbajeb, use ssh keys, they're *awesome* | 17:47 |
| zaheer_ | w00t, lol | 17:48 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Flandry: http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=25632 | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | I see you created authorized keys | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | check if the directory permissions are right, or ssh will ignore them | 17:48 |
| jebbajeb | look ok to me | 17:48 |
| qwerty12_N900 | w00t: ...and that's all you will ever recieve! *hides* | 17:48 |
| Flandry | The devil has been thanked over 30 times | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | jebbajeb, also, IIRC, I had to sudo gainroot, vi /etc/passwd and change user:! to user:* | 17:48 |
| w00t | qwerty12_N900: :( | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | before ssh accepted my logins | 17:49 |
| qwerty12_N900 | I thanked him with a pint of your blood, Flandry | 17:49 |
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| Flandry | oO | 17:49 |
| * Flandry had been wondering about that needle mark on his arm | 17:49 | |
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| jebbajeb | mgedmin: cool, thanks. I had to edit /etc/passwd AND set a password for "user", now it works :) | 17:50 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | w00t: If it makes you happy, I have a picture of my N800, N810, and "my" N900 on a desk. Urge to kill rising? | 17:50 |
| w00t | qwerty12_N900: yes. | 17:50 |
| wrapster | how do i obtain the UID in python... | 17:51 |
| wrapster | i know wrong forum.. but im not registerd...and was working on maemo only so asked... | 17:51 |
| wrapster | :) | 17:51 |
| wrapster | kinda forgot | 17:51 |
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| mgedmin | jebbajeb, I never set a password for user | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | wrapster, os.getuid()? | 17:54 |
| wrapster | mgedmin: ah.. thanks.. | 17:54 |
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| ShadowJK | submitted bug about volume slider in status menu when browser is in the bg | 18:01 |
| * Arkenoi still owns a 770. runs os2007 (2008HE is too unstable and 2006 is too ugly) | 18:01 | |
| DangerMaus | akiniemi, my 770 in rite next to the 900 though im running 2008HE needed it for something i thing bt | 18:03 |
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| Klowner | I can't take this jazz! Apparently I have to wait in line AGAIN because they transferred me to tech support :[ | 18:04 |
| DangerMaus | Dont hang up | 18:05 |
| Klowner | Been on for 1.5jrs | 18:05 |
| Klowner | er hrs | 18:05 |
| DangerMaus | OUch | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Klowner: You mean that support couldn't help you!!! | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Klowner: you've got a broken mic? | 18:06 |
| DangerMaus | like like all he needs in=s an RMA | 18:06 |
| Klowner | correct, because it's a hardware problem | 18:06 |
| Klowner | yes | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Yeah - well - it's not unreasonable to assume that people asking for a RMA may be idiots. | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Unfortunately. | 18:06 |
| DangerMaus | your prob got dropped harder than the others | 18:06 |
| DangerMaus | and if they only had a clue | 18:07 |
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| DangerMaus | but they only have a book they read from | 18:08 |
| Klowner | she told me to press the mic mute button | 18:08 |
| DangerMaus | the what? | 18:08 |
| Klowner | when making a call, you can mute | 18:09 |
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| Klowner | that aint it though | 18:09 |
| DangerMaus | yeah | 18:09 |
| DangerMaus | i hoped that was what it was | 18:09 |
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| tbf | hmm. seems http://maemo.org/vote/vote.php?election_id=8 doesn't really work | 18:10 |
| tbf | i only see green rectangles | 18:10 |
| DangerMaus | vs. a fictisious physical button | 18:10 |
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| vkvraju | Hello All | 18:15 |
| ccooke | huh, mail from mobilephonesdirect confirming they're shipping on Friday | 18:15 |
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| ShadowJK | believe it when you see it | 18:16 |
| ShadowJK | and touch it | 18:16 |
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| ccooke | I've no reason to distrust them | 18:16 |
| * darktears is getting angry with the broken linker of maemo5 SDK | 18:16 | |
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| * darktears still don't know why the linker is not capable to pick the library correctly | 18:17 | |
| ccooke | MPD have been perfectly open through the whole process. And hey, we know that n900s have shipped already. | 18:17 |
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| DangerMaus | now to setup mail ... hmmm | 18:18 |
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| lcuk | hey bilboed-tp | 18:20 |
| jebbajeb | would tunneling x11vnc via ssh greatly increase the load on the n900? | 18:20 |
| lcuk | ccooke, you gettin another n900? | 18:21 |
| jebbajeb | as compared to running without it? | 18:21 |
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| wrapster | mgedmin: and how do i get the current user's name? | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | getpass.getuser() | 18:21 |
| wrapster | thanks | 18:22 |
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| ccooke | lcuk: my wife's | 18:22 |
| lcuk | give her yours | 18:23 |
| darktears | is anyone know how the fuck i can check where the linker is looking for libraries | 18:23 |
| lcuk | or is it a case of cold dead hands | 18:23 |
| darktears | ? | 18:23 |
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| Flandry | um | 18:24 |
| ccooke | lcuk: if I gave her mine, what would *I* use? :-) | 18:24 |
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| ShadowJK | jebba900, on wlan? | 18:24 |
| ccooke | darktears: so you're after the dynamic linker, right? | 18:25 |
| kalikianatoli | darktears, it looks where you tell it to, usually /usr/lib | 18:25 |
| ShadowJK | jebbajeb, on wlan? | 18:25 |
| darktears | ccooke: yes | 18:25 |
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| darktears | kalikianatoli: no it doesn't i have a custom path for library i'm building sometimes it don't find it even though the lib is there | 18:26 |
| darktears | ccooke: it's broken | 18:26 |
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| ccooke | darktears: you've put a library in a location you've invented and the linker doesn't pick it up automatically? That's why it's "broken"? | 18:26 |
| darktears | ccooke: i'm working with cmake, sometimes it works sometimes not, depending what i'm buiding | 18:26 |
| darktears | ccooke: no using rpath-link | 18:26 |
| darktears | i mean puting the absloute path doesn't work neither | 18:27 |
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| kalikianatoli | darktears, maybe you should first check if cmake is behaving correctly | 18:27 |
| kalikianatoli | rather than blaming the linker | 18:27 |
| Oli`` | Which app are people using to connect wiimotes to their n900s? | 18:28 |
| darktears | it does | 18:28 |
| ccooke | darktears: The dynamic linker works on a set of configured library paths. Unless you're putting your library into one of those, you shouldn't expect it to work. | 18:28 |
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| kalikianatoli | Oli``, wiicontrol. it tends to crash after a while, though | 18:28 |
| kalikianatoli | so you have to start it after playing for a bit | 18:28 |
| Oli`` | kalikianatoli: okidoke | 18:28 |
| kalikianatoli | seems to dislike if I switch windows | 18:28 |
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| jebbajeb | ShadowJK: ya, on wlan. I was thinking it may increase CPU too much to encrypt it all | 18:29 |
| Flandry | kalikianatoli: does that show up as a joystick device? How does it work? | 18:29 |
| darktears | kalikianatoli: i had to add that to cmake to properly link with system libraries -DCMAKE_EXE_LINKER_FLAGS=-Wl,-rpath-link,/usr/lib and to build Qt the same QMake needs to be modified to define rpath-link. For some reason, /usr/lib is not in the library search path for resolving | 18:29 |
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| prusnak | http://maemo.org/vote/vote.php is broken in Firefox and Chromium ... :-/ | 18:30 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, It sends keys as if it was a keyboard | 18:31 |
| prusnak | Error: unterminated string literal | 18:31 |
| prusnak | Source File: http://maemo.org/vote/vote.php | 18:31 |
| kalikianatoli | and in the game you configure it in keyboard controls | 18:31 |
| prusnak | Line: 168, Column: 41 | 18:31 |
| prusnak | Source Code: | 18:31 |
| prusnak | listItemText = document.createTextNode('\'); | 18:31 |
| jebbajeb | here's a simple little script to connect conveniently to the N900 with VNC: http://pastebin.ca/1698590 | 18:32 |
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| darktears | ccooke: and adding extra path to the link using r-path to actually link with a library that you haven't yet install is perfectly valid, that how you deal if in your project you have libB which depends on a libA, and both of them are in the project you are building | 18:32 |
| Flandry | kalikianatoli: oh, that's right. i checked it out before and had forgotten. | 18:32 |
| Flandry | it would much easier to do that for uqm but i wanted to have a full analog control eventually | 18:33 |
| Klowner | 2 hours of jazz, why nokia? why?! | 18:33 |
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| aspidites | i'm in scratchbox writing python code but can't seem to import any pyqt modules | 18:36 |
| aspidites | from PyQt4 import * works, but not from PyQt4.QtGui import * | 18:37 |
| apol_ | can anybody tell me why in my scratchbox, after installing qt4-dev-tools and libqt4-dev i can't find qmake? | 18:37 |
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| aspidites | apol_: i don't have it either :-S | 18:37 |
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| apol_ | :/ in the FAQ they say it should be right after installing the packages :S | 18:39 |
| Flandry | where do the screenshots on m.o/downloads come from? | 18:40 |
| * Flandry wonders if he missed another custom maemo control file tag | 18:40 | |
| mikhas | apol_, did libqt4-dev pull in all the core deps? you could check what you have installed with dpkg -l *libqt4* | 18:41 |
| fiferboy | Flandry: They are uploaded by the owner of the package | 18:41 |
| fiferboy | It is not automated | 18:41 |
| Flandry | oh ok. Thanks fiferboy | 18:41 |
| mikhas | anyway, for qt-on-meamo questions you probably get more help @ #qt-maemo | 18:41 |
| aspidites | wait...doesn't debian make all qt packages modular? ie, id' have to download qtsql,etc seperately | 18:42 |
| aspidites | mikhas: why didn't i think of that. #maemo certainly wasn't any help :P | 18:42 |
| apol_ | mikhas: solved thanks | 18:42 |
| mikhas | aspidites, yes. and usually installing libqt4-dev should install the important modules *-core, -gui etc. | 18:42 |
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| DangerMaus | hollywood is getting outta controll >> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/mpaa-drm-tv | 18:43 |
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| aspidites | mikhas: ah. thats what i get for residing on an arch linux box. thanks for the map mikhas. headed to qt-maemo | 18:44 |
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| |R | Is oMWeather that much of a battery drain like some people suggested on the forum or is it just because they have it on update every 10 minutes? | 18:46 |
| Flandry | Only one more tester needed! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/uqm/0.6.7-0maemo/ | 18:46 |
| aspidites | uqm - urquan masters? | 18:47 |
| Flandry | yes | 18:47 |
| jebbajeb | that URL isn't even loading here.... | 18:47 |
| jebbajeb | ah now it finally has | 18:48 |
| Flandry | that part of m.o is slow | 18:48 |
| aspidites | downloading now via scratchbox. darn you all who have a device in hand :(...and congrats | 18:49 |
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| aspidites | says i can't install because i don't have joydev. is that scratchbox exclusive? | 18:50 |
| aspidites | also, i thought apt did automatic dependency resolving? | 18:50 |
| rEv9 | where do I find the Scummvm libs? I says its in the repos, but they arent there.. 'It requires some additional packages, all of which are available in the extras, extras-devel or extras-testing repositories, such as: libsdl, libmad, libvorbisidec, libflac, libasound.' | 18:50 |
| Flandry | aspidites: what you're getting is the newer version on -devel | 18:50 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, is the -data package in user/ on purpose, by the way? | 18:50 |
| Flandry | aspidites: and yes it should, but that package doesn't exist | 18:51 |
| Flandry | the 3do data package is | 18:51 |
| Flandry | it's optional | 18:51 |
| kalikianatoli | I mean uqm-data | 18:51 |
| Flandry | iit's in user? oO | 18:51 |
| Shapeshifter | uhm.... in this utf election.... | 18:52 |
| kalikianatoli | yes, it showed up here | 18:52 |
| Shapeshifter | I have two green rectangles which are empty | 18:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | candidates, preferences. both empty. | 18:52 |
| bmidgley2 | lardman were you trying to reach me? | 18:52 |
| * Shapeshifter tries another browser | 18:52 | |
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| Flandry | kalikianatoli: what do you mean by "here"? | 18:53 |
| Flandry | the control file has Section: games | 18:53 |
| Shapeshifter | well. empty rectangles in chromium and firefox. | 18:53 |
| Shapeshifter | is there supposed to be something there? | 18:53 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, oops, sorry. I checked again, it is really the 3do package. | 18:54 |
| Flandry | you had me worried :D | 18:54 |
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| * Shapeshifter tries yet another browser | 18:54 | |
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| * kalikianatoli deforms Shapeshifter into a browser. | 18:55 | |
| Shapeshifter | kalikianatoli: I'm trying midori next :P | 18:55 |
| Flandry | ha | 18:55 |
| kalikianatoli | Shapeshifter, good boy :-D | 18:55 |
| * Flandry models Shapeshifter into a fennec, then a mobile fox, then gets confused | 18:56 | |
| Shapeshifter | also empty. | 18:56 |
| Shapeshifter | I think this is broken | 18:56 |
| Flandry | aspidites: anyway, if i had an N900 i'd be the first tester on the list. | 18:57 |
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| Flandry | aspidites: to install on sdk youll need to take the version in -testing | 18:57 |
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| jebbajeb | Shapeshifter: midori "works", but screen refresh is *really* slow | 18:58 |
| Shapeshifter | jebbajeb: mh? | 18:59 |
| Shapeshifter | no, I'm talking about the poll | 18:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs at Maemo 6. | 18:59 | |
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| jebbajeb | ah | 18:59 |
| Corsac | jebbajeb: send flowers to kalikianatoli | 18:59 |
| kalikianatoli | lol | 19:00 |
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| Corsac | mhmh, besides €, what does this poll has to do with unicode? | 19:00 |
| jebbajeb | the Extra character election? I didn't get a vote token. | 19:00 |
| aspidites | ok Flandry | 19:00 |
| Corsac | jebbajeb: for midori :) | 19:01 |
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| jebbajeb | ah heh | 19:01 |
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| aspidites | i was surprised to see midori in repos already. looks decent :) | 19:01 |
| jebbajeb | also, i had checked to clear "personal data" on exit in midori, but it left a ~/.cache/midori directory full | 19:01 |
| Corsac | I kind-of miss some context for that poll | 19:01 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: yeah. me as well. | 19:02 |
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| jebbajeb | where does one get a vote token? | 19:02 |
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| Corsac | Shapeshifter: and I have the green boxes too | 19:02 |
| Corsac | on firefox | 19:02 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: yeah it's broken | 19:02 |
| Shapeshifter | see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=405315 | 19:02 |
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| hrw | that voting is broken - after login I got empty page | 19:03 |
| Flandry | wooooo promoted to extras :D | 19:03 |
| kalikianatoli | jebbajeb, eek, I'm guessing ~/.cache/web to be exact? | 19:03 |
| rEv9 | tnx Flandry for pointing me to the maemo.org/packages url. I found everything and its working now, thanks again ;) | 19:03 |
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| Corsac | hey JPohlmann1 | 19:03 |
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| Flandry | rEv9: glad i could help out | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grr | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The goddamn apartments flooding. | 19:04 |
| * SpeedEvil passes GeneralAntilles some sandbags. | 19:04 | |
| jebbajeb | kalikianatoli: i blew it out, i can retest. But ya, i think it was ~/.cache/midori/web | 19:05 |
| jebbajeb | i'll retest now | 19:05 |
| * Flandry still waiting for m.o to promote the package... | 19:05 | |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: rain? | 19:06 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: washing machine? | 19:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: tears? | 19:06 |
| * Flandry remembers that he should have made the new package only depend on joydev on armel | 19:08 | |
| Klowner | that was painful, I guess they're sending me another N900.. hopefully it's overnight shipping again | 19:08 |
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| Flandry | Klowner: what happened? | 19:08 |
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| Klowner | Flandry: dead mic | 19:08 |
| Flandry | oh, the infamous | 19:09 |
| DangerMaus | Klowner, they sending you first or cross ship or send yours first? | 19:09 |
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| Klowner | from what I understand they're sending a new one immediately and I have 6 days to ship this one back | 19:09 |
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| DangerMaus | dose nokia have a history with dead mic's or something? | 19:09 |
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| DangerMaus | kool | 19:10 |
| hrw | Klowner: who pays for shipping of both? | 19:10 |
| Flandry | no but N900 has had a ... few | 19:10 |
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| DangerMaus | read like a 20 page thread of dead mics | 19:10 |
| Klowner | hrw: Nokia | 19:10 |
| Flandry | well that's good | 19:11 |
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| DangerMaus | yeah sounded like a rma in the box of the new one | 19:11 |
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| Klowner | I feel like I can't play with this one because it's retarded | 19:12 |
| DangerMaus | haha | 19:12 |
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| Flandry | ~seen jeremiah | 19:12 |
| infobot | jeremiah is currently on #maemo (1d 12h 58m 19s), last said: 'heh'. | 19:12 |
| jebbajeb | kalikianatoli: confirmed. `rm -rf ~/.cache/midori ; rm -rf ~/.config/midori` Start midori. Go to some website. Click "Tools". Click "Clear Private Data". Check "Clear private data when quitting Midori" (but DON'T click "Clear private data" button). Tap blurry part at top to close private data window. Exit Midori. `ls -R ~/.cache/midori/web` and see the .pngs or whatever. | 19:12 |
| Shapeshifter | which character would you be voting for anyway? | 19:13 |
| Shapeshifter | |, & and $ are equally important for bash scripting. | 19:13 |
| jebbajeb | kalikianatoli: i can bugzilla it, if that's useful for you. | 19:13 |
| Shapeshifter | and ( ) are very important | 19:13 |
| Shapeshifter | for anything | 19:13 |
| DangerMaus | so what was the total amount of time on the phone with nokia Klowner | 19:13 |
| DangerMaus | ? | 19:13 |
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| kalikianatoli | jebbajeb, thanks for checking, I'll check it this evening. no bug needed, I'll take care of it | 19:14 |
| * Flandry expects that smoke is rising from the m.o package servers | 19:15 | |
| jebbajeb | kalikianatoli: np. thanks! :) | 19:15 |
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| Flandry | jeremiah: with no resolution for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6301 in sight, is it possible that you could promote http://maemo.org/packages/view/uqm-3do-data/ to either testing or extras? The app just went into extras. | 19:19 |
| povbot | Bug 6301: Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/org/maemo/packages/handler/repository/repository.php on line 542 | 19:19 |
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| jebbajeb | what is the logic behind doing /home/user/MyDocs/.video instead of /home/user/MyDocs/video (e.g. why a hidden file)? Same for .documents etc. | 19:21 |
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| Flandry | discussion on t.m.o: localization. It's renamed in file manager | 19:23 |
| jebbajeb | ah ok, makes sense | 19:23 |
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| * Flandry is still waiting for m.o to promote the package to extras | 19:24 | |
| greenfly | jebbajeb: I just created my own Music and Video directories | 19:25 |
| greenfly | jebbajeb: and trackerd still found them | 19:26 |
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| * SpeedEvil wishes for a DAB transmitter. | 19:26 | |
| jebbajeb | weird. I'm trying to log in to last.fm in Canola, but when I type a key in the Username: field it opens Contacts app! | 19:27 |
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| crashanddie | jebbajeb: file a bug! | 19:27 |
| fiferboy | jebbajeb: I think canola has a problem with input currently | 19:27 |
| lcuk | known issue with toolkits | 19:27 |
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| jebbajeb | crashanddie: ok | 19:27 |
| Flandry | to anyone who has submitted a patch in a bug report for maemo core apps: do they mark the bug report closed when they apply the patch? | 19:27 |
| fiferboy | The key stroke goes to the desktop, which searches your contacts | 19:27 |
| lcuk | VDVsx should know more | 19:27 |
| crashanddie | jebbajeb: actually, search for it first, I remember it being talked about during the summit | 19:28 |
| DangerMaus | now that was weird.... i had turned phone off and put it on charge to charge up a bit faster then i went to turn it on and it wouldnt just kept holding for a good long time ,,, then i popped the charger off and tried again nothing... so then i pulled the battery replaced it anf it started as normal | 19:28 |
| lcuk | hiya fiferboy \o | 19:28 |
| lcuk | and seb | 19:28 |
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| jebbajeb | ok | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | hey lcuk | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | jebbajeb: you can vote for it on bmo | 19:28 |
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| fiferboy | hi lcuk. How's things? | 19:28 |
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| lcuk | good so far | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: how's the job? | 19:28 |
| DangerMaus | its got about 3/4 charge | 19:28 |
| lcuk | just gettin ready, ive got an 8 hour trip tomorrow | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: where you going to? | 19:28 |
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| lcuk | should be shorted but im touring europe | 19:29 |
| lcuk | barca | 19:29 |
| lcuk | via amsterdam | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | barcelone via amsterdam? | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | lol | 19:29 |
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| lcuk | yeah pita | 19:29 |
| DangerMaus | heheh | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: you realise there's very regular and cheap flights from stansted and heathrow to girona? | 19:29 |
| lcuk | coming back i get to visit france | 19:30 |
| hrw | lcuk: shiphol? | 19:30 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: can you stick around until the 18th? :P | 19:30 |
| lcuk | stansted and heathrow are nearly 300 miles from me | 19:30 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: if you let details stopping ya... | 19:30 |
| lcuk | hrw yeah think so | 19:30 |
| crashanddie | hrw: which other main airport is there in holland? | 19:30 |
| hrw | lcuk: how much time for a change? | 19:30 |
| jeremiah | mjau | 19:31 |
| lcuk | not enough time to go visit city | 19:31 |
| jeremiah | Flandry: I don't see why not. | 19:31 |
| lcuk | lemme check | 19:31 |
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| crashanddie | hrw: you got zestienhoven en aachen, but they're hardly of any size compared to schiphol | 19:31 |
| jebbajeb | ah, gah, it's not even free software (canola). instead of bugzilla, i remove.... | 19:32 |
| jeremiah | Flandry: So I'm not sure I understand. The app just went into extras, but you want me to promote it to extras? | 19:32 |
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| jeremiah | Canola is not GPL? | 19:32 |
| zaheer_ | lcuk, nothing from manchester to bcn? | 19:32 |
| fireswires | hi, this is a very luser question, so apologies in advance, google didn't help. But on my N900 when I press enter in vim insert mode I get a capital M on the line above. How may I fix this? | 19:32 |
| jebbajeb | jeremiah: not according to this: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/canola/ | 19:32 |
| derf | The only way I found to get to Aachen was to fly to Schipol first. | 19:33 |
| Flandry | jeremiah: The app is in the process of being promoted to extras (10 minutes and counting on the reload...). This is the optional data package for it. It's just content | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | fireswires, you're using screen, aren't you? | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | or were using screen in that xterm session | 19:33 |
| fireswires | neither | 19:33 |
| lcuk | zaheer_, i asked the same question myself, im not just gonna wildly go for a tour for no reason \o/ | 19:33 |
| zaheer_ | lcuk, wow that is a shock and a half | 19:33 |
| * lcuk hates flying at best of times, actually, i hate takeoff and landing | 19:33 | |
| jeremiah | jebbajeb: Wow. That kinda sucks. | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: that's what you get for living in the north :P | 19:34 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, what do you need ? :P | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | fireswires, workarounds: (a) don't use screen, (b) use ctrl-j or ctrl-m instead of the enter key (c) map <esc>OM <cr> | map! <esc>OM <cr> | 19:34 |
| jeremiah | Flandry: Is it a dependency? | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: go to some widely easy place to get, such as brisbane or something :P | 19:34 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, onfirmation of the bug with search and contacts when you use keyboard | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | fireswires, I use vim on my n900 and my enter key works fine -- why doesn't yours? | 19:34 |
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| jeremiah | If so it should get promoted with the app | 19:34 |
| lcuk | lol | 19:34 |
| Flandry | jeremiah: no, it's optional | 19:34 |
| jeremiah | ah | 19:34 |
| jeremiah | okya | 19:34 |
| jeremiah | or okay rather | 19:34 |
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| mgedmin | fireswires, did you run mc, or any other ncurses-based app in that xterm? | 19:35 |
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| mgedmin | does it do the same if you open a new xterm window? | 19:35 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, that a bug on hildon-desktop | 19:35 |
| zaheer_ | lcuk, there are none with BA...but easyjet fly from liverpool john lennon | 19:35 |
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| fireswires | brand new terminal same issue | 19:35 |
| crashanddie | When a 121 page PDF starts with "A sophisticated, feature-rich solution with high security and privacy protection,", you just know you're going to have a good time | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | weird | 19:35 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, here is the Qt fix as example: http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-maemo-developers/qt/qt-maemo/commit/fbf22e64599b220cf95ca90d27d0eb6cdeaa91fe | 19:35 |
| crashanddie | IcanCU: no, you can't | 19:36 |
| IcanCU | better get dressed | 19:36 |
| crashanddie | I'm in the office, next to the CFO, undressed wouldn't work -- I'm not a hot 20 yo busty blonde | 19:37 |
| jeremiah | Yes you are. | 19:37 |
| Mousey | but are you a girl? | 19:37 |
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| crashanddie | Mousey: no, thank god for that | 19:37 |
| jeremiah | If you weren't a 20 busty blonde I wouldn't talk to you. | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | 20 busts? | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: wtf are you doing with ops? | 19:38 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps: get down | 19:38 |
| Mousey | that's a lot of girls to put up with | 19:38 |
| jeremiah | He's Stskeeps | 19:38 |
| jeremiah | He can do whatever he wants | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, his ass is deputized. | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | why do i have op | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: /deop #maemo Stskeeps | 19:38 |
| jeremiah | For operating | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | In case pupnik goes off his meds again. ;) | 19:39 |
| * Flandry watches #maemo go to hell in a handbasket again | 19:39 | |
| jeremiah | lulz | 19:39 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: we has you which should be enough | 19:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, not when I'm sleeping or at class. | 19:39 |
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| * jeremiah smacks them both pre-emptively. | 19:39 | |
| crashanddie | god, still going with that school masquerade? | 19:39 |
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| crashanddie | stop playing around, we need you in the industry | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hopefully not permanent :P | 19:40 |
| VDVsx | jebbajeb, canola uses GPL v3, the info in that page is outdated | 19:40 |
| jeremiah | Yeah! School? Pffff | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, yeah, I'm tired of it too. | 19:40 |
| jebbajeb | VDVsx: how does one get license info with `dpkg` /usr/share/docs has been blown out. | 19:40 |
| fireswires | mgedmin: | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I had a dream about dropping out and joining the Marines last week. | 19:40 |
| jebbajeb | VDVsx: i'll file bug about incorrect license info. | 19:40 |
| jeremiah | VDVsx: Nice catch | 19:40 |
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| mgedmin | fireswires, ? | 19:40 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I said the industry, not the mindless fucks | 19:40 |
| jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: I don't recommend it. | 19:40 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: plus you're skinny, you'd be a rop | 19:40 |
| jeremiah | Unless you want to go to Afghanistan | 19:40 |
| jeremiah | No 3G | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | aieee! | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | how do the live there? | 19:41 |
| jeremiah | See | 19:41 |
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| jeremiah | I wouldn't call it living | 19:41 |
| jebbajeb | VDVsx: should things like that be filed in bugs.maemo.org or in garage's bug system? | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, maybe the airforce, then. Those C-130s have WiFi, right? | 19:41 |
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| jeremiah | jebbajeb: Well, you could just send a mail to the project, might be faster. :) | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | jebbajeb, Garage is never the answer. | 19:42 |
| jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: They love people who know how to use computers - maybe they'd have you fly a drone? | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: or you could try an inflection on the xkcd comic: "RYAN, GET YOUR ASS ON THAT MACHINE GUN, THEY'RE BUTCHERING US HERE" "Hang on sir, someone is WRONG on TMO" | 19:42 |
| VDVsx | jebbajeb, BMO, there a canola produte there | 19:42 |
| jeremiah | heh | 19:42 |
| jeremiah | TMO | 19:42 |
| VDVsx | jebbajeb, in case you don't know there's also a canola irc channel (#canola) | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: unless the question is "where can you hide a body for a few hours while mixing cement" | 19:42 |
| jebbajeb | VDVsx: thx again, going #canola | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The location stuff for Telepathy should really tell you the state for US locations. | 19:44 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, yeah i know that i fixed it before qt did, it was for someone mentioning about canola experiencing it | 19:45 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, yes EFL suffer for this issue | 19:45 |
| Flandry | hmm how long should the page load take for a package promotion request anyway | 19:46 |
| fireswires | mgedmin: that map works well. thank you | 19:46 |
| * lardman|home now has 2 GB in his N140 | 19:48 | |
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| crashanddie | last night on a conf call, some manager yells at a chick in Oz: "You can slap him on the head now", she replies: "Which one?", and I jump in: "He's got two heads?"... There was a big silence, I just understood how ambiguous our combined statements were | 19:48 |
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| lardman|home | lol | 19:48 |
| crashanddie | anyway, fag break, see ya in a bit | 19:48 |
| * lardman|home is shocked at how long cln takes to build | 19:49 | |
| jebbajeb | ok, #canola is fixing license if they can figure out how. In bugs.m.o, the version numbers of canola are old though (just list betas). Wonder who to poke to update that. #canola folks directed me here for that heh | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman|home, the N140 is the Maemo 6 device, isn't it? | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody find him and kill him! | 19:49 |
| lardman|home | that's the one ;) | 19:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How's the Samsung? | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | hmm, I thought you'd just signed my death warrant and left | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | yeah, seems ok | 19:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I put 2GB in my Mini 9. | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | does the job I bought it for anyway | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | It seems silly with an 8GB SSD. | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | ah, I have 250Gb | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | spinny hdd though | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | but that's fine, as I deal with large data files | 19:51 |
| * lardman|home wonders what gecebekcisi's avatar says | 19:52 | |
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| lardman|home | ah, an email address | 19:53 |
| lardman|home | datamatrix barcodes don't scan so well | 19:53 |
| lardman|home | ~lart libdmtx for not working very well with out of focus images | 19:53 |
| * infobot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at libdmtx for not working very well with out of focus images | 19:53 | |
| lardman|home | so is it possible to alter the app that is launched when the camera shutter-thing is opened? | 19:54 |
| jeremiah | Flandry: Yeah, that page takes a long time. :/ | 19:54 |
| jeremiah | We are going to work on it. | 19:54 |
| konttori | lardman|home: unfortunately - no | 19:54 |
| konttori | file a bug! | 19:55 |
| Flandry | but it should work, even if it doesn't finish loading after an hour? | 19:55 |
| konttori | you can detect it and switch yourself to the front atm though | 19:55 |
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| konttori | that's what qik does | 19:55 |
| lardman|home | konttori: as long as no-one has beat me to it! :) | 19:55 |
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| jeremiah | Flandry: Well, it should | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, who's going to Barcelona that can tell me how I should get to the hotel from the airport? | 19:55 |
| jeremiah | I'll check to see if it is showing up | 19:55 |
| jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: Are you going to Barca? | 19:56 |
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| jeremiah | You lucky brat | 19:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, not feeling so lucky about it at the moment. | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's feeling rather inconvenient, in fact. | 19:56 |
| jeremiah | oh | 19:57 |
| jeremiah | sorry. | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. ;) | 19:57 |
| jeremiah | Still. | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apartment flooding, still need to drive down to St. Pete for my flight tomorrow afternoon. | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Exams start next week, too. | 19:57 |
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| jeremiah | Exams? Pffft | 19:57 |
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| Shapeshifter | Klowner: wow I feel sorry for you | 20:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | that totally sucks | 20:02 |
| zaheer_ | GeneralAntilles, did you read the travel part in the wiki? | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | zaheer_, ah! Missed the part. | 20:03 |
| Shapeshifter | I just noticed my 6310i was made in germany >.> | 20:03 |
| jebbajeb | crashanddie: done: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6511 | 20:03 |
| povbot | Bug 6511: Canola last.fm plugin doesn't allow you to enter username/password | 20:03 |
| zaheer_ | GeneralAntilles, i put in info re: taxi, train and bus options | 20:03 |
| Shapeshifter | no wonder it's so good. | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | zaheer_, yeesh, I'm gonna guess I'd better take a taxi. | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are the taxis cash-only over there or do they take Visa? | 20:04 |
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| Flandry | visa? | 20:04 |
| Flandry | do taxis here take visa? | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on the city. | 20:04 |
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| Shapeshifter | My dad once fell from his bike while doing 50km/h and landed on this 6310i and all it suffered were a couple of scratches on the back of it. | 20:05 |
| zaheer_ | GeneralAntilles, depends, mostly cash | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need to get some money in the airport, then. | 20:05 |
| zaheer_ | GeneralAntilles, tehre are some but you won't be able to ask for one that takes visa | 20:05 |
| jebbajeb | extra char selection is working for me in firefox 3.5.5 (fedora 12). But TAB isn't listed for vote! | 20:05 |
| Shapeshifter | jebbajeb: they fixed it. | 20:06 |
| Shapeshifter | I miss ^ | 20:06 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 20:06 |
| Flandry | jeremiah: still no promotion. Should i click the link again? | 20:06 |
| zaheer_ | GeneralAntilles, 20 euros should cover the cab ride (it's a minimum 20 euros from bcn airport to anywhere, but cornella is not far from airport...it usually costs me 20 euros to the world trade centrew hich is in central barcelona quite a bit further than cornella is) | 20:06 |
| jeremiah | Flandry: Try that - see what happens. | 20:07 |
| jeremiah | Flandry: If it doesn't work | 20:07 |
| jeremiah | I'll have to go spelunking in the code / database | 20:07 |
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| Flandry | Interesting | 20:08 |
| Flandry | Server Error | 20:08 |
| Flandry | Package has already been promoted. | 20:08 |
| Flandry | Error 500 | 20:08 |
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| Flandry | It now shows up as being on both extras and extras-testing. Is that normal? | 20:09 |
| Flandry | Under "latest version" | 20:10 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 20:11 |
| Klowner | Shapeshifter: it's quite a bummer, thank you for your sympathy | 20:11 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, makes sense to me. so users can just use devel to get everything | 20:11 |
| Flandry | It's not showing in downloads page yet however. | 20:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders how much of the agenda is in Spanish. | 20:12 | |
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| Flandry | Todo | 20:13 |
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| zaheer_ | GeneralAntilles, i'm guessing most people will be locals | 20:13 |
| jebbajeb | there another nokia/maemo conf? BCN? | 20:13 |
| Flandry | and that doesn't mean "to be done" :P | 20:13 |
| zaheer_ | jebbajeb, mameo long weekend barcelona | 20:13 |
| zaheer_ | jebbajeb, it's in cornella de llobregat not barcelona city | 20:14 |
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| Flandry | Is there no automation of the m.o/downloads page, then? All the apps there are added by hand? | 20:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Flandry, they're added automatically from Extras. | 20:18 |
| rashed2020 | No automation of the downloads page? I'm having second thought about buying an N900.. | 20:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rashed2020, what in the world does automation of the Downloads page have to do with you? | 20:18 |
| Flandry | it's a separate process than promotion i see | 20:19 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, you land 10 mins after me and tim are we meeting in airport | 20:19 |
| Flandry | thanks for info | 20:19 |
| rashed2020 | GeneralAntilles: Sarcasm, friend. | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | rashed2020, ah, well then. | 20:19 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, humm, Tim also sent me a email | 20:19 |
| VDVsx | and I also will wait for yerga | 20:20 |
| lcuk | good idea | 20:20 |
| rashed2020 | Plus, all the channels I'm usually in are dead. | 20:20 |
| lcuk | time for coffee and a smoke | 20:20 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, :) | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | same going back as well, might as well hop in taxis, martin grimme asked for taxi share | 20:22 |
| lcuk | makes sense to fill one up | 20:22 |
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| Venomrush | where can i find list of the default N900 repository? Not the Extras, the ones enabled by default, | 20:23 |
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| jeremiah | Venomrush: I am not sure what you want - the ones already installed on your device? | 20:24 |
| jeremiah | If so, you can look in the Application Manager | 20:24 |
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| zaheer_ | lcuk, VDVsx, yerga: there are 2 terminals that are not very close in bcn...remember that when deciding where to meet, some may be in T1 some in T2 | 20:24 |
| konttori | lizardo: have you been able to push the new python towards extras (proper) | 20:25 |
| lcuk | zaheer_, yikes! | 20:25 |
| Venomrush | ah i meant | 20:25 |
| Venomrush | is there a wiki page | 20:25 |
| Venomrush | listing all the repos | 20:25 |
| Venomrush | defaults + extras | 20:25 |
| jeremiah | Venomrush: Not really. | 20:25 |
| jeremiah | Venomrush: What are you looking for? | 20:25 |
| jeremiah | A specific app? | 20:25 |
| jeremiah | Or a specific repo? | 20:25 |
| VDVsx | zaheer_, terminal 2 is for domestic flights ? | 20:25 |
| lizardo | konttori: looks like someone did that yesterday :) | 20:26 |
| zaheer_ | lcuk, best to check your airlines, i can tell you which for which | 20:26 |
| zaheer_ | VDVsx, no both are international terminals | 20:26 |
| konttori | oouu! really? great! | 20:26 |
| lizardo | konttori: see http://maemo.org/packages/view/python2.5/ | 20:26 |
| suihkulokki | domestic as in "inter EU" flights methinks | 20:26 |
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| zaheer_ | suihkulokki, same, both have international and inter european flights | 20:26 |
| konttori | so, what's the best way to push end users to upgrade to it? | 20:26 |
| RST38h | "In the last year alone, Sprint turned over users' GPS data to authorities 8 million times." | 20:27 |
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| konttori | asking gpodder, fmradio to start depending on that with >= dependency? | 20:27 |
| RST38h | konttori: exactly. and every other python app | 20:27 |
| RST38h | konttori: Oh, I know | 20:27 |
| lizardo | konttori: well, that is being discussed on the mailing list ... it seems HAM does not suport upgrading non user/* packages :( | 20:27 |
| lcuk | i am terminal 1 | 20:27 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, me too | 20:27 |
| lcuk | then thats easy lol | 20:27 |
| RST38h | konttori: New Vagalume is coming. Contact its author quickly and ask him to depend on python 2.5 | 20:27 |
| RST38h | konttori: That will guarantee everyone switches | 20:28 |
| konttori | lizardo: so, setting python-runtime meta-package as a user/other would make is upgradeable | 20:28 |
| RST38h | moo VDVsx | 20:28 |
| konttori | and would also probably help in visibility to the users as well (so not such a bad thing in the end) | 20:28 |
| evo | hi, I added some web shortcuts on the desktop, I'd like to edit the titles, I can't find the files on home directory, any hint? thanks | 20:29 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, hey :) | 20:29 |
| RST38h | Hilarious, simply hilarious: http://gizmodo.com/5417225/sprint-to-humans-we-know-where-you-are-and-so-do-the-police?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher | 20:29 |
| suihkulokki | hmm.. HAM should still be fixed, else we'll end up eventually having all packages in user/* | 20:29 |
| lizardo | konttori: not really... the python-runtime package is a metapackage intended for developers, not end users | 20:29 |
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| VDVsx | lizardo, with the right permission you can upload directly to extras, at least the 'new users' will have the optified version | 20:30 |
| Venomrush | hmm i'm trying to get it from sources.list but don't have enough permission even with gainroot | 20:30 |
| lizardo | konttori: see http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-December/022765.html for the gory details | 20:30 |
| Venomrush | how do i open /etc/apt/sources.list from terminal? | 20:31 |
| Venomrush | already gainroot | 20:31 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: the packages are already in extras-testing | 20:31 |
| agi | Venomrush: vi /etc/apt/sources.list | 20:31 |
| Venomrush | but still got an error saying no permission | 20:31 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: IMHO that does not sound like the right solution :/ | 20:31 |
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| suihkulokki | Venomrush: there is no /etc/apt/sources.list, there are some files under sources.list.d/ | 20:32 |
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| VDVsx | lizardo, upgrade is impossible in the short term :( | 20:32 |
| lizardo | konttori: in summary: the only solution right now is to have your packages depend on python2.5 (>= 2.5.4-1maemo5) | 20:32 |
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| VDVsx | lizardo, as I said you can put the packages directly in extras, but that doesn't grant the upgrade for the existent users :( | 20:33 |
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| zaheer_ | lizardo, on my n900 i saved 14MB by upgrading python :) | 20:33 |
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| zaheer_ | VDVsx, yah that kinda sucks | 20:34 |
| Venomrush | suihkulokki: cheers, got it | 20:34 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: I prefer some good guy changing their Python application do depend on python2.5 (>= 2.5.4-1maemo5) and have that application in extras, so the entire optified python will be pushed together :) | 20:34 |
| VDVsx | lizardo, the only solution that I can see here, is ship python in a SSU and promote the new packages to extras | 20:34 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: I don't really know how to do that | 20:35 |
| fnordianslip | hmm. this character election thing, is that for the on screen symbol keybd on the n900? | 20:35 |
| mikkov | lizardo: you can't | 20:35 |
| VDVsx | lizardo, I can help you with the promotion (can bug someone), about the SSU I can't | 20:35 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: well, if you have such permissions , feel free to do that, I really haven't the power to do that | 20:35 |
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| zaheer_ | VDVsx, python is already in extras | 20:36 |
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| VDVsx | lizardo, I don't have but can ask the ones that have | 20:36 |
| zaheer_ | VDVsx, his new package that is | 20:36 |
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| lizardo | zaheer_: not really, it is in extras-testing :) | 20:36 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: but the whole thing is , other developers are starting to have the same problem | 20:36 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: (see the thread on the list) | 20:37 |
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| zaheer_ | lizardo, aah shit i didn't notice the difference in the digit at end :) | 20:37 |
| VDVsx | yeah, but that HAM fault :( | 20:37 |
| suihkulokki | is there a bug against HAM on the nonupgradeability of libs? | 20:37 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: I mean, it is not a python specific thing | 20:37 |
| VDVsx | the community can't do anything about it, I guess | 20:37 |
| VDVsx | lizardo, I know | 20:38 |
| fnordianslip | i don't understand why we can't have a big scrollable character table to choose from. perhaps we can. can anyone explain the point of the election? | 20:38 |
| zaheer_ | VDVsx, my wife got the zoutube update today in status bar, when we updated it 2 days ago | 20:38 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 20:38 |
| zaheer_ | so not sure how often that thing checks for new updates | 20:38 |
| VDVsx | fnordianslip, search the mailinglist archives for the related discussion | 20:39 |
| fnordianslip | VDVsx: thanks. | 20:39 |
| fnordianslip | VDVsx: is that tthe dev mailing list? | 20:39 |
| mikkov | I didn't get any mail about the vote | 20:39 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: OK | 20:39 |
| lizardo | mikkov: looks like it went to spam filter for some | 20:40 |
| mikkov | if the voting instructions don't explain what's it about, it's broken | 20:40 |
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| Fire | hi | 20:41 |
| fnordianslip | We are running an election to see which of the following characters | 20:41 |
| fnordianslip | are most important to you on Maemo: | 20:41 |
| fnordianslip | $ % & ( ) < = > \ _ | ~ £ € | 20:41 |
| lizardo | mikkov: unfortunately I think its description was too short so most people will see as "wtf?" if they didn't follow the discussion :( | 20:41 |
| VDVsx | fnordianslip, http://n2.nabble.com/Requesting-an-election-for-Unicode-characters-td4075339.html#a4075339 | 20:41 |
| fnordianslip | er, all of them are equally important. how do i express that adequately in a vote? | 20:41 |
| Fire | where do we vote? | 20:41 |
| mikkov | lizardo: found the mail from spambox :) | 20:41 |
| lcuk | supply blank devices and a sharpie | 20:42 |
| VDVsx | same here | 20:42 |
| lizardo | mikkov: I think google didn't like these random characters in the body message :) | 20:42 |
| VDVsx | dneary is a known spamer :P | 20:42 |
| mikkov | ok, the mail doesn't explain basically at all what's it about | 20:43 |
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| mikkov | results are probably not going to be any use | 20:43 |
| fnordianslip | mikkov: i agree. | 20:43 |
| Fire | Can I get any advice from N900 owners if there are any? | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | Fire: define owner | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:43 |
| fnordianslip | Fire: away | 20:43 |
| mikhas | there are no n900 owners | 20:43 |
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| mikhas | it's all a lie =) | 20:44 |
| Fire | I am hesitant to get an N900, I had an Iphone then black berry bold and now I am looking for something new, how complete is N900 compared to those 2? | 20:44 |
| fnordianslip | in soviet russia, the n900s own you | 20:44 |
| Fire | I saw reviews and most of them say for early adopters | 20:44 |
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| mashiara | wheres @bergie, fire: you will want to ask him | 20:44 |
| mashiara | fire: since he's actually used an iphone as well | 20:45 |
| mikhas | if you had a crackberry then your use cases are probably very specific already and most likely not covered by modest et al. | 20:45 |
| Fire | well I use mail and chats a lot | 20:45 |
| Fire | I don't game on my phone mostly but I don't mind a nice platform game | 20:46 |
| mikhas | chat works great on the device, mail ... needs some improvement. havent used the exchange sync yet | 20:46 |
| mashiara | the conversations system is very nice on n900 | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | very very nice | 20:46 |
| fnordianslip | +1 | 20:46 |
| lcuk | and supertux rocks | 20:46 |
| lcuk | as a platformer | 20:46 |
| Fire | well the support worries me, is nokia even doing anything to update this device? | 20:46 |
| mikhas | oh yeah | 20:46 |
| kalikiana | Fire, yes, there are updates over wlan | 20:47 |
| Fire | knowing nokia they will fix it on a new device... | 20:47 |
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| fnordianslip | and the hackers | 20:47 |
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| fnordianslip | disabling the FM Tx on charge is a real PITA. anyone know if we can hack around that, perhaps in the kernel, or is the interlock in hardware? | 20:48 |
| * lcuk ponders if theres a supertux thread | 20:48 | |
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| copumpkin | are the flashers at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php the most recent ones available? | 20:49 |
| javispedro | fnordianslip: the whole fmtx "middleware" is closed | 20:49 |
| javispedro | so, bug nokia.. | 20:49 |
| copumpkin | it appears that the mac os one is still stuck on powerpc and only claims to be able to do the N770... | 20:49 |
| Fire | stupid question but is there a chance that the n900 updates to maemo 6 when ever that comes out | 20:49 |
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| jeremiah | copumpkin: No - it works with Snow Leopard | 20:49 |
| jeremiah | And the N900 | 20:49 |
| copumpkin | jeremiah: oh cool, it's just mislabeled then? | 20:49 |
| jeremiah | I have tested. | 20:49 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, :/ | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | Fire: noone knows | 20:50 |
| konttori | lizardo: thanks for the link. yeah, that seems to be the case. shame. | 20:50 |
| fnordianslip | javispedro: bugger. | 20:50 |
| copumpkin | jeremiah: no issues with ppc over rosetta? | 20:50 |
| jeremiah | rosetta? | 20:50 |
| roundyz | I know this might be premature, but where would you go to obtain information on offical firmware process.. | 20:50 |
| copumpkin | the ppc "VM" | 20:50 |
| jeremiah | Why would the chip matter? | 20:50 |
| jeremiah | What VM? | 20:50 |
| copumpkin | well the flasher on that site claims it's for powerpc macs | 20:50 |
| mashiara | fire: there are rumours that maemo6 will use multitouch very heavily which means N900 will be kinda cripled with it since the resistive touchscreen cannot do multi | 20:50 |
| jeremiah | okay | 20:50 |
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| luke-jr | Maemo Unicode preference election - voting instructions | 20:51 |
| copumpkin | I'll try it :) | 20:51 |
| luke-jr | FAIL | 20:51 |
| luke-jr | they dodn | 20:51 |
| jeremiah | I have a intel Mac mini - seemed to work fine | 20:51 |
| luke-jr | they didn't encode the email properly | 20:51 |
| copumpkin | cool | 20:51 |
| mashiara | fire: of course someone might hack it to sorta work anyway | 20:52 |
| mashiara | fire: people hacked diablo (the n810 os) to sorta work on the n770 | 20:52 |
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| lcuk | i still wonder how the hacking is gonna get round the lack of holographic screen and lightsabre clip thenext device is rumoured to have | 20:53 |
| Fire | mashiara: well I am just making sure how long before I need a new phone, I am definitely going to get something new but I am not sure if the N900 is the one | 20:53 |
| mashiara | fire: it depends on how much you like hacking... | 20:53 |
| Fire | I am not fond of linux to be honest, I had some bad times with it | 20:54 |
| Flandry | lol | 20:54 |
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| Fire | while I would jailbreak an Iphone if I get one I am not sure if N900 is as easy to hack and mod | 20:54 |
| Fire | linux is never simple | 20:55 |
| mashiara | fire: ?? | 20:55 |
| arachnist | Fire: sudo gainroot | 20:55 |
| Myrtti | then buy an iphone | 20:55 |
| mashiara | fire: the platform is open | 20:55 |
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| mashiara | fire: making simple python applications is trivial | 20:55 |
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| mashiara | fire: and you have full control of your device out of the box, no need to "jailbreak" | 20:55 |
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| Fire | mashiara: oh yes I am aware of that, but I rather not have to "rewrite" anything | 20:56 |
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| mikhas | I think that maemo extras will kill the need for most users to even use the terminal | 20:56 |
| Lorthirk | Fire: you're not supposed to write a new os... | 20:56 |
| mikhas | I mean, why would you jailbreak the iphone? | 20:57 |
| mashiara | if you have invested time in objective-c app writing for iphone | 20:57 |
| asidjazz | THEN YOU HAVE FAILED | 20:57 |
| asidjazz | AND MAY LEAVE | 20:57 |
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| Flandry | harsh | 20:57 |
| mashiara | then rewriting definitely is an issue since the whole framework is completely different | 20:57 |
| wiretapped | LOL @ "We are running an election to see which of the following characters are most important to you on Maemo" | 20:58 |
| mashiara | but somehow I doubt it, there is a "web runtime" coming for running html+js widgets | 20:58 |
| wiretapped | no mention of hardware keyboards in that email | 20:58 |
| wiretapped | it's just a "unicode preference election" | 20:58 |
| Flandry | ooooh that kind of character | 20:58 |
| wiretapped | I've never been a fan of the ampersand, myself... I'd like to see it banished | 20:59 |
| Flandry | i was trying to figure out if it was a popularity contest or mascot contest | 20:59 |
| lcuk | did i see somewhere that python widgets are appearing now | 20:59 |
| Fire | Anyways, thanks for the help | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | copumpkin, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 20:59 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: they've been coming on the desktop linuxes for three or four years now | 21:00 |
| copumpkin | GeneralAntilles: ooh nice | 21:00 |
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| Lorthirk | copumpkin: i also have a mac but i suggest you to use command line flasher... | 21:01 |
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| lcuk | lol Myrtti | 21:01 |
| copumpkin | Lorthirk: what parameters should I pass to it? | 21:01 |
| copumpkin | it seems to accept a bajillion different options :) | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fire, if you want an open platform that you don't have to fight with your operator and your manufacturer to use and don't mind a few warts, then go with the N900. | 21:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, Rosetta is the PPC emulation for Intel Macs. | 21:02 |
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| Lorthirk | https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, the old flasher builds pre-3.5 are all built for PPC and thus need to run under Rosetta. | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody should be using flasher-3.5, though. | 21:02 |
| jeremiah | Ah | 21:02 |
| jeremiah | Good | 21:02 |
| jeremiah | Someone here knows what the hell is going on. | 21:02 |
| jeremiah | Clearly not me. | 21:02 |
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| RST38h | Ok. I compiled Nethack. I compiled vultures.o. HOW THE HELL DO I COMBINE THEM? | 21:05 |
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| javispedro | black magic | 21:06 |
| RST38h | this is weird. | 21:06 |
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| redeeman | hello | 21:07 |
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| Fire | GeneralAntilles: I keep hearing N900 for hackers and early adopters but how much do I need to hack it if I do to make it work as it should | 21:09 |
| Fire | I was hoping to install a few apps and use it | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fire, depends entirely on your use-case. | 21:10 |
| Fire | Mail applications, chat, GPS and obviously as a phone | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Out of the box, it's a fantastic web browser, an excellent IM/SMS machine, an excellent camera, an excellent XTerm, a good gaming platform, a good email client, etc. | 21:11 |
| Fire | The main reason I want to move to a new phone is the fact that the bold has horrible GPS | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Phone is OK to good depending on the features you need. | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ovi Maps is complete and utter shit, but there's a half dozen other options out there. | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | The GPS hardware is competent enough | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper is a reasonable free solution if you don't require turn-by-turn | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sygic is releasing a port, though. | 21:12 |
| zaheer_ | ovi maps is the worst app there, but with a netowrk connection is ok if you want a way to find where you are and where something else is | 21:12 |
| mikhas | Fire, make sure to test the microphone quickly though. Some have problems with that. | 21:12 |
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| mikhas | eh, just use google maps for now, and wait for 3rd party apps | 21:12 |
| mikhas | but yeah, gps ... | 21:12 |
| Fire | any other issues I need to look out for? | 21:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Fun diversion: http://www.xritephoto.com/ph_toolframe.aspx?action=coloriq I scored a 3. | 21:15 |
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| copumpkin | is OS2008 the latest thing I can get for the N800? | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 21:18 |
| infobot | somebody said mer was http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not day-to-day usable yet, however. | 21:18 |
| copumpkin | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ seems to be the latest thing listed on here, but not sure that's up to date | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is. | 21:18 |
| copumpkin | except for the mac os flasher, I guess :) | 21:18 |
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| Makavel | Hi guys... when i try to update my scratchbox repo, i get all sort of errors like "Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'. Anyone knows why is that? | 21:20 |
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| fiferboy | Makavel: Try (from your host system) "cp /etc/resolv.conf /scratchbox/etc" | 21:22 |
| el_zilcho | i get a ping response | 21:22 |
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| Makavel | fiferboy: it worked nicely now. Thanks | 21:25 |
| fiferboy | NP | 21:25 |
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| rashed2020 | How does Maemo treat ICS files downloaded from the browser? | 21:26 |
| |R | ah | 21:26 |
| Makavel | fiferboy: one more problem i just found out... I added a repo and now i get an error - "GPG error" | 21:26 |
| |R | oops | 21:26 |
| fiferboy | Makavel: That is a signing thing in the repo, I'm not sure if the repo is signed and if the key is available | 21:27 |
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| fiferboy | Makavel: Usually safe to ignore for the maemo.org repos, I belevie | 21:27 |
| Makavel | fiferboy: It was PySide's repo i added | 21:27 |
| copumpkin | I entered "red pill" mode but the list of installable applications is tiny | 21:27 |
| javispedro | RST38h: did yous saw vultures has debian packaging template in dist/linux/debian ? | 21:28 |
| DangerMaus | GeneralAntilles, i deffinatly need glasses got a 22 | 21:28 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 21:28 |
| fiferboy | Makavel: I don't know anything about that, sorry | 21:28 |
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| Makavel | fiferboy: Alright. Thanks a lot for your help | 21:28 |
| * Stskeeps passes Myrtti a cookie | 21:28 | |
| lizardo | Makavel: if you are using PySide on Maemo , you should use the new packages in the extras-devel repository | 21:28 |
| copumpkin | did I need to do something when flashing the OS to get the full list of apps? | 21:28 |
| copumpkin | or am I just missing a repository? | 21:29 |
| javispedro | red pill mode again? | 21:29 |
| lizardo | Makavel: the ones in that www.pyside.org repository are outdated | 21:29 |
| Makavel | lizardo: that was the one i used | 21:29 |
| javispedro | ... | 21:29 |
| copumpkin | javispedro: already tried thrice | 21:29 |
| javispedro | copumpkin: no, just disable it. | 21:29 |
| * Myrtti wipes her tears and munches the cookie in the corner | 21:29 | |
| Makavel | lizardo: oh... i got this one from www.pyside.org | 21:29 |
| jeremiah | I wanna cookie! | 21:29 |
| copumpkin | javispedro: as in, do blue pill? | 21:29 |
| Makavel | lizardo: where can i get the latest one? | 21:29 |
| * Stskeeps passes jeremiah a cookie too | 21:29 | |
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| javispedro | copumpkin: N900 applications are here for you http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ | 21:30 |
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| copumpkin | javispedro: I'm on the n800 though | 21:30 |
| lizardo | Makavel: yes, check the http://www.pyside.org/downloads/ now, it has new instructions for installation on Maemo/N900 :) | 21:30 |
| copumpkin | all I need is an ssh daemon | 21:30 |
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| javispedro | copumpkin: diablo? | 21:30 |
| copumpkin | yep | 21:30 |
| copumpkin | RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin is the firmware I just flashed | 21:30 |
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| javispedro | copumpkin: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/openssh/ | 21:31 |
| javispedro | click on the install install link from your device. | 21:31 |
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| copumpkin | thanks :) weird that red pill didn't do anything for me. Back with the really old OS a couple of years ago that's how I did this | 21:31 |
| copumpkin | but maybe I forgot some steps | 21:32 |
| javispedro | red pill is no longer needed for anything | 21:32 |
| copumpkin | oh :) | 21:32 |
| javispedro | mostly, of course. | 21:32 |
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| timeless_mbp_ | so | 21:33 |
| timeless_mbp_ | for people curious about the status of the clock | 21:33 |
| timeless_mbp_ | drift calculation: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/drift.html | 21:33 |
| timeless_mbp_ | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/analysis.txt | 21:33 |
| timeless_mbp_ | officially management wants to fix "something" by "tomorrow" | 21:34 |
| fnordianslip | timeless_mbp_ fix something really easy | 21:34 |
| javispedro | how can someone make so many misses on such a map? | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | someone was pissed they got dragged in travel pay when going to france and it claiming it was tahiti? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | timeless, so the earth moved | 21:36 |
| javispedro | just grab whatever map is readily available, like the A-GPS guys did | 21:36 |
| lcuk | byu the sounds of it some of us were caught in a temporal vertex | 21:36 |
| fnordianslip | timeless_mbp_: that analysis.txt is hilarious | 21:36 |
| fnordianslip | epic fail | 21:36 |
| Flandry | a vertex heheh | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp_ | fnordianslip: it isn't complete | 21:37 |
| javispedro | and japan is now a peninsula | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp_ | that's just my current summary | 21:37 |
| fnordianslip | lols | 21:37 |
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| javispedro | and issues like those is basically an international accident waiting to happen | 21:38 |
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| Flandry | apparently lex luthor's plot already succeeded and san francisco is now in eastern CA | 21:40 |
| copumpkin | is there any easy way to determine my ip address other than firing up xterm and typing in ifconfig? | 21:40 |
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| copumpkin | (on the device, that is) | 21:40 |
| javispedro | yeah, the Connection Manager app has a menu | 21:41 |
| frals_ | solid stuff there with the map lol | 21:41 |
| fiferboy | copumpkin: Install "Personal IP Address" | 21:41 |
| Flandry | and detroit gangs took over DC and renamed it | 21:41 |
| Flandry | er manhattan | 21:41 |
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| copumpkin | fiferboy: only seems to be available on maemo 5 | 21:42 |
| fiferboy | copumpkin: Try homeip | 21:42 |
| copumpkin | thanks :) | 21:43 |
| javispedro | and there's a "IP Address" option in the connection manager's app menu | 21:43 |
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| * el_zilcho is stilll waiting for his amazon response for his RMA | 21:44 | |
| el_zilcho | i'm kinda worried | 21:44 |
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| el_zilcho | they're still showing the item as pre-order state, so i hope they don't put me in a queue again | 21:44 |
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| copumpkin | thanks! | 21:45 |
| copumpkin | got in :) | 21:45 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:47 |
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| jebbajeb | whoever was working on that clock app may want to note the time is wrong for Buenos Aires, Argentina as well. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6481 | 21:50 |
| povbot | Bug 6481: Buenos Aires, Argentina time off by 1 hour | 21:50 |
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| * Flandry wonders about the purpose of http://maemo.org/downloads/product/create/99/application/ | 21:52 | |
| Flandry | I assume that's for adding apps not found in extras, but i wasn't aware that was encouraged by maemo | 21:53 |
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| szymon_g | hi | 21:53 |
| timeless_mbp_ | javispedro: did you get to the punch line? | 21:54 |
| timeless_mbp_ | where i mention not wanting to talk about city/country names? | 21:54 |
| timeless_mbp_ | there's an independent long list for that :) | 21:54 |
| javispedro | starting with "cuidad de méxico", poor mexico! ;) | 21:55 |
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| VDVsx | Flandry, that's meant only for maemo4 | 21:56 |
| VDVsx | the page will be disabled for maemo5 when the responsible gets back from vacations | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flandry, it's legacy more than anything. | 21:56 |
| szymon_g | ... anyone has nokia n810 :? how long does it stand on battery (with normal use)? | 21:57 |
| timeless_mbp_ | javispedro: different team | 21:57 |
| timeless_mbp_ | which reminds me, i need to call a guy about that | 21:57 |
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| GAN900 | szymom_g, define normal. | 21:58 |
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| papo | hello | 21:58 |
| szymon_g | GAN900: reading e-books, listening to music- wifi etc turned off | 21:59 |
| GAN900 | szymon_g, depending on the music format and backlight level probably about 6-10 | 21:59 |
| lcuk | szymon_g, ages and ages and ages | 21:59 |
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| GAN900 | I assume by reading ebooks you mean "screen never off" | 22:00 |
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| lcuk | and on low brightness fbreader lasts a while too | 22:00 |
| papo | It seems to me that applications for mobile phones that are able to read barcodes are demanded by smartphone users. Now I'm wondering whether such a thing exists for maemo and what such applications are used for in practice | 22:00 |
| lcuk | completely asleep its uptime is measured in weeks | 22:00 |
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| lcuk | hey GAN900 | 22:00 |
| GAN900 | papo, it's being developed. | 22:00 |
| lcuk | when are you setting off | 22:00 |
| GAN900 | papo, demand is a bit strong, methinks. | 22:00 |
| lcuk | we demand them | 22:00 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, tomorrow afternoon EST | 22:00 |
| tigert | to maebar? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | cool | 22:01 |
| lcuk | yeah t | 22:01 |
| szymon_g | thanx GAN900 and lcuk | 22:01 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, should be in Friday around 8 AM | 22:01 |
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| tigert | sweet :) | 22:01 |
| javispedro | just in time for registration :) | 22:01 |
| lcuk | you coming as well | 22:01 |
| * tigert will be there too | 22:01 | |
| lcuk | GAN900, you will have a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng day | 22:01 |
| lcuk | top banana | 22:01 |
| tigert | packing my inkscape and postit notes :) | 22:01 |
| GAN900 | thumbnailer is killing my batterty. :( | 22:02 |
| Flandry | Funny because the only option one can select for OS is Maemo 5 :D | 22:02 |
| timeless_mbp_ | tigert: we should have gotten you to help w/ the map :) | 22:02 |
| papo | GAN900: hum ok, interesting. But what kind of applications would such a program have? Scanning books in the bookstore and stuff like that? | 22:02 |
| tigert | heh | 22:02 |
| lcuk | tigert, ive only seen your photography, what other stuff do you get involved in then | 22:02 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, I really hope I manage to sleep on the plane. | 22:02 |
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| GAN900 | Else I'm going to die. | 22:02 |
| tigert | lcuk: ui, themes | 22:02 |
| tigert | lcuk: i did Plankton | 22:02 |
| tigert | and N810 default theme | 22:03 |
| * GAN900 demands Bora Plankton for Fremantle. | 22:03 | |
| lcuk | :D wicked | 22:03 |
| GAN900 | Far and away the best Maemo theme ever released. | 22:03 |
| lcuk | and i agree with gans demands | 22:03 |
| tigert | we need to get the fremantle theme toools out | 22:03 |
| * javispedro demands Diablo for N900! :) | 22:03 | |
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| tigert | now, House MD time, cya | 22:03 |
| lcuk | cya \o | 22:04 |
| crashanddie | House MD now? | 22:04 |
| lcuk | javispedro, theres a few suggested the same | 22:04 |
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| tigert | dvd | 22:04 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, nowadays tv time is anytime | 22:04 |
| tigert | :) | 22:04 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: true | 22:04 |
| GAN900 | lol | 22:04 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: with dave and all :P | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: if you upgrade dsme, it might not be entirely impossible.. | 22:04 |
| lcuk | see | 22:04 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: it's one of those things I plan to try when I find the time and the hw ;) | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i figured i would just get horribly bored at some point and see how far i get | 22:05 |
| * timeless_mbp_ hopes the dvr @home is recording house | 22:05 | |
| Stskeeps | heh, house is on polish tv too atm | 22:05 |
| * javispedro sends electrical surge to timeless' home an disables dvr | 22:06 | |
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| lcuk | timeless, it is, but its using the new time applet to do it, so you might get 45 minutes of the previous show | 22:06 |
| GAN900 | lol | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | several seasons behind and with lektor/dubbing | 22:06 |
| redeeman | which gps application do you guys recommend for someone that does not need turn by turn navigation, just able to see map etc, and very preferrably download the maps for a specific region to be able to use offline? | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp_ | lcuk: it could be in the wrong time zone | 22:06 |
| GAN900 | Maemo Mapper | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp_ | that seems to happen | 22:06 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: they're dubbing it here too, but somehow they managed not to lag much... | 22:06 |
| redeeman | is that also available for N900? | 22:06 |
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| GAN900 | Yes | 22:06 |
| GAN900 | Although it's currently alpha. | 22:07 |
| timeless_mbp_ | redeeman: technically you could use the Nokia Map Downloader! :) | 22:07 |
| * timeless_mbp_ wouldn't recommend it | 22:07 | |
| fnordianslip | GAN900: rally? extras-deve;? | 22:07 |
| fnordianslip | really, even | 22:07 |
| GAN900 | fnordianslip, think so. | 22:07 |
| lcuk | hold on, downloading the maps for a region was the most pleasurable experience | 22:07 |
| fnordianslip | hmm. checks ... | 22:07 |
| javispedro | A web 2.0 offline app in a mobile device, who has these ideas | 22:07 |
| lcuk | it worked flawlessly and quickly | 22:07 |
| lcuk | i was most impressed that i got maps for entire ocuntry on device :) | 22:08 |
| lcuk | country too | 22:08 |
| papo | GAN900: because just to clarify... a projects that deals with all that barcode parsing stuff sounds very interesting to me but I'm having trouble imaging what it could be used for in daily life | 22:08 |
| * javispedro watches yet another tmo recently-registered snatch and start sending noobs asking techy questions to /dev/null | 22:08 | |
| fnordianslip | javispedro: tell them its the recycle bin | 22:09 |
| redeeman | GAN900: where do i find it? | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hildon Home has about a billion crash reports. . . . | 22:10 |
| crashanddie | papo: indexing the books you have, checking if you already have a book in your library when you're looking at it in an airport or shop. Checking out the price of an item in a store and compare it against prices online of others stores, tells you if you're hitting a bargain or not | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | papo, shopping is a big one. | 22:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | papo, looking up reviews on something in front of you. | 22:11 |
| lcuk | papo there are many many uses, even eyond the normal stuff | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | papo, anything to do with inventorying. | 22:11 |
| Flandry | who shops in a store these days anyway | 22:11 |
| Shapeshifter | huh the storage partition is fat? lol. | 22:11 |
| lcuk | as gen says | 22:11 |
| Shapeshifter | I can repartition it, right? | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flandry, groceries. | 22:11 |
| Shapeshifter | reformat rather | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, Windows users. | 22:11 |
| Flandry | it's FAT so it can be mounted to windows | 22:11 |
| papo | uh cool, now if this is coupled with some kind of lookup tool then that would indeed have many interesting applications | 22:12 |
| papo | thank you guys | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flandry, or for things which never have appreciably cheaper prices online. | 22:12 |
| lcuk | Flandry, just being able to rescan the 12pack of beer for your online order saves you searching | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | with a satisfying BEEP you know you just gave away $10 for more beer | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: lmao | 22:12 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I understand that, but I can reformat to use ext3, right? | 22:12 |
| Flandry | that's a real killer app lol | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, believe so, not sure what the status is on breakage, currently, though. | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some stuff may expect a certain arrangement. | 22:13 |
| lardman|home | papo: talk to me about mbarcode | 22:13 |
| lardman|home | or not, as I'm about to fall asleep | 22:13 |
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| Creteil | hi all | 22:13 |
| lcuk | papo, you are lucky, lardman is here, and hes been devleoping and testing mbarcode for a while now, he has to date scanned 17243 bottles of wine | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman|home, early night. | 22:14 |
| Shapeshifter | mh | 22:14 |
| * Firebird wonders why there is an "Extra character election" | 22:14 | |
| lardman|home | GeneralAntilles: I feel rough, sore throat, cough, etc., etc | 22:14 |
| papo | lcuk: uh well I work at a fairly large library... we have barcodes, too :) | 22:14 |
| lardman|home | papo: what type? | 22:14 |
| lcuk | :D GeneralAntilles works in a bookshop | 22:14 |
| lcuk | sometimes | 22:14 |
| lcuk | when hes not being a slob | 22:14 |
| Creteil | someone known why the mediaplayer in N900 doesn't refresh filenames I have renamed in the filemanager ? | 22:14 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.irintech.com/x1/images/jean/pizza_isosceles_triangles.jpg | 22:15 |
| w00t | lcuk: burnn :P | 22:15 |
| lcuk | Creteil, file a bug | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm a slob at the moment. | 22:15 |
| Flandry | I hear it's very useful for qwerty12_N900 with his pimping business | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, why's that relevant, though? | 22:15 |
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| Flandry | he's actually had all the employees get tattoo bar codes... | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 22:15 |
| lcuk | cos someone was talking about books | 22:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles is also blind right now. | 22:15 | |
| w00t | Flandry: I don't want to hear where he's scanning barcodes on his hoes. | 22:15 |
| * lcuk nods | 22:15 | |
| Creteil | lcuk, ok, where I can file a bug ? | 22:15 |
| papo | lardman: Code 39 IIRC | 22:15 |
| lardman|home | we all know what causes that | 22:15 |
| crashanddie | Creteil: bmo | 22:15 |
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| fnordianslip | lcuk: is he like Bill Bailey's character in Black Books | 22:16 |
| lardman|home | papo: just wondering if zbar decodes that, and I think it does | 22:16 |
| Creteil | crashanddie, bmo ??? | 22:16 |
| crashanddie | Creteil: bugs.maemo.org | 22:16 |
| crashanddie | ok, going out for lunch, later all | 22:16 |
| Creteil | crashanddie, ok | 22:16 |
| papo | lardman|home: According to the project website, it does | 22:17 |
| papo | lardman|home: I could give it a try tomorrow | 22:17 |
| Flandry | still no appearance of uqm on downloads. How long is it supposed to take? | 22:17 |
| fnordianslip | hmm. well I'd find out if maemo-mapper was in extras-devel, if it WORKED :x | 22:17 |
| lardman|home | papo: please do, and what would you like to happen when you scan one? | 22:18 |
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| papo | lardman|home: Well this is really related to our library but something like displaying the due date would be quite funny :) | 22:18 |
| papo | lardman|home: so your barcode-app is based on zbar then? | 22:19 |
| lardman|home | well that would be easy enough to write a plugin for | 22:19 |
| lardman|home | hence my desire to get plugins working | 22:19 |
| lardman|home | yes, zbar for 1D + QR and libdmtx for datamatrix | 22:19 |
| papo | lardman|home: powerful parsing library plus plugin API would be interesting IMO | 22:20 |
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| jebbajeb | what is the "best" mapping program at the moment? I can't really get maemo-mapper to "go". The GPXviewer program is quite good, but seems to be for a treasure hunt game or something I don't quite grok. | 22:21 |
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| lardman|home | jebbajeb: MM works for me on N900 | 22:21 |
| papo | lardman|home: ah mbarcode is maemo-barcode? | 22:22 |
| lardman|home | no | 22:22 |
| lardman|home | ah yes | 22:22 |
| lardman|home | sorry, half asleep | 22:22 |
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| papo | ok | 22:22 |
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| mikkov | is /var/tmp really on rootfs? | 22:23 |
| jebbajeb | mikkov yes | 22:23 |
| mashiara | no | 22:24 |
| lardman|home | sure it's not a tmpfs? | 22:24 |
| mashiara | it's symlink | 22:24 |
| mikkov | is it? | 22:24 |
| * mashiara checks | 22:24 | |
| mikkov | mashiara: do you have retail N900? | 22:24 |
| papo | lardman|home: Hm I'm interested in this, I'll have a look at the code tonight | 22:24 |
| mikkov | browser download all files to /var/tmp first | 22:25 |
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| mashiara | mikkov flashed with retail image, and yes it's no longer symlink... sorry | 22:25 |
| lardman|home | papo: currently I don;t have a check for code 39 barcodes, but could presumably add something in (or see if zbar can tell me), then pass those onto you r plugin, etc | 22:25 |
| jebbajeb | mashiara: /var/tmp isn't a symlink | 22:25 |
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| mashiara | it used to be... | 22:25 |
| papo | lardman|home: ok. I first have to get into the maemo specific things... I don't even have a device yet so no hurry there | 22:26 |
| mikkov | /var/tmp being on rootfs is major fail for downloading files with browser | 22:26 |
| papo | lardman|home: But I'm wondering if I can run this in the SDK? I guess so, but I have to admit that I didn't have time to look into the devel-related stuff of maemo yet | 22:27 |
| lardman|home | papo: no need for maemo-specific, write some code and I'll see if I can add it into mbarcode to do your lib book lookups :) | 22:27 |
| lardman|home | no, doesn't seem to react well to the SDK so I hear | 22:27 |
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| hardaker | :/var/tmp# cd /var/tmp | 22:27 |
| hardaker | :/var/tmp# df . | 22:27 |
| lardman|home | but do try | 22:27 |
| hardaker | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on | 22:27 |
| hardaker | rootfs 233104 197532 31288 86% / | 22:27 |
| papo | lardman|home: Ok, I'll try | 22:27 |
| jebbajeb | lardman maemo-maps just seems excessively slow to use | 22:28 |
| jebbajeb | I dont even see how to really zoom (?) | 22:29 |
| jebbajeb | except thru menu, which is cumbersome to say the least | 22:29 |
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| lardman|home | papo: ok, I can determine the type of the barcode from zbar using zbar_symbol_get_type() so no problem there | 22:29 |
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| jebbajeb | and I just got a "maemo-mapper is not responding. Close application?" | 22:30 |
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| lardman|home | jebbajeb: use the +/- keys? | 22:31 |
| papo | lardman|home: Hm ok. I'm wondering how the application is going to know that this is a book and not something else... is there some kind of menu where you choose what plugin is going to be used? | 22:31 |
| lardman|home | papo: not yet, but that is my aim | 22:31 |
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| lardman|home | allow user to enable certain plugins | 22:31 |
| jebbajeb | lardman|home: like even tapping at the top to bring up a menu, then View, takes like 30+ seconds just to bring up menus.... | 22:31 |
| lardman|home | jebbajeb: hmm, that is slow | 22:32 |
| papo | lardman|home: very interesting, thank you | 22:32 |
| lardman|home | papo: np :) | 22:32 |
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| mikkov | hmm, when downloading again browser doesn't use /var/tmp anymore | 22:34 |
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| BluesLee | crashanddie: is there a kind of wiki with "getting started with your n900" stuff? | 22:42 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 22:42 |
| BluesLee | crashanddie: a collection of instructions, tipps and tricks or whatever | 22:43 |
| crashanddie | not aware of that | 22:43 |
| BluesLee | i guess they will appear on some blogs soon | 22:44 |
| papo | hum scratchbox.org isn't exactly fast somehow :( | 22:44 |
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| crashanddie | BluesLee: I guess the initial steps would be: load music, browse through applications, install maemo extras, find even more applications, integrate with online services, sync contacts and email accounts, etc | 22:46 |
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| crashanddie | not necessarily in that order | 22:46 |
| lcuk | or as someone in the forums said: | 22:46 |
| lcuk | fap fap fap fap fap | 22:46 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: meaning? | 22:46 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: what is zbar? | 22:46 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: and why does mbarcode conflict with it? | 22:47 |
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| BluesLee | crashanddie: ssh to n900 would be on top of that for me | 22:47 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35130 | 22:47 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: oh, that fap fap fap | 22:48 |
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| lardman|home | crashanddie: libzbar conflicts with it | 22:48 |
| lardman|home | zbar is the backend decoder | 22:48 |
| lardman|home | libzbar/zbar that is | 22:49 |
| crashanddie | solution? | 22:49 |
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| crashanddie | I'm so tired about all the stupid business acronyms we use | 22:51 |
| crashanddie | (in my company) | 22:51 |
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| crashanddie | but on this new project, they made me laugh... The customer keeps reporting "TFR"'s, which was a term coined by one of our engineers, though nobody knew what it meant | 22:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, you see bullshit bingo? | 22:51 |
| lardman|home | crashanddie: upgrade mbarcode and it should install libzbar and that should remove zbar | 22:51 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: I get a conflict | 22:51 |
| lardman|home | at least that was my understanding | 22:51 |
| lardman|home | hmm, it has conflicts and replaces, perhaps I only want one? | 22:52 |
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| crashanddie | we managed to get him drunk enough last night so he would disclose why he told the customer to use TFR when reporting issues | 22:53 |
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| crashanddie | it means "Technically fucked, really" | 22:53 |
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| crashanddie | (or totally, depending on interpretation) | 22:53 |
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| frals_ | lol | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: any way to - in the absence of a dbus notification thingy which would be actual work - simply dump the current barcode to /tmp/barcode-pipe ? | 22:55 |
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| lardman|home | sure, can't see why not | 22:55 |
| lardman|home | does the DBus not work? I've not tried it yet | 22:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - I've not tried it | 22:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | I diddn't realise it was an option - and I don't grok dbus yet. | 22:56 |
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| lardman|home | someone said it crashes, but seems to work for me (at least not crashing mbarcode) | 22:56 |
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| tigert | barcode as input method would be fun | 22:57 |
| tigert | but challenging since you need to see to aim | 22:57 |
| w00t | woo, departure scan in rotterdam | 22:57 |
| * w00t cheers | 22:57 | |
| tigert | online banking for example | 22:57 |
| lardman|home | can do copy & paste though | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amazon has started shipping early/mid-October pre-orders it looks like | 22:58 |
| lardman|home | would be easy enough to automatically copy the barcode, and then let the user paste it | 22:58 |
| tigert | our invoices have barcodes | 22:58 |
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| lardman|home | yeah, someone was talking about bank statements too | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | On scrolling (generally) you're not supposed to be able to drag the scroll indicator when it appears? | 22:58 |
| lardman|home | bank payment slips even | 22:58 |
| tigert | and my bank site can prefill invoice forms from them | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, it's just an indicator. | 22:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: Thanks. Meh. | 22:59 |
| tigert | works great with a usb barcode reader | 22:59 |
| tigert | that works as a keyboard | 22:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles whines about 60s electrical arrangements. | 22:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | All the lights in the apartment are out 'cause otherwise the fans from the carpet guy will blow the breaker. :( | 22:59 |
| tigert | so my usecase would be to fire up the barcode tool with focus in an input field | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: Clearly, that's a dealbreaker. | 22:59 |
| tigert | and paste the code in | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dealbreaker! | 22:59 |
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| jebbajeb | "No has entry" in release file for -devel repo. Hmm. That the common problem people see with -devel or is something else up? | 23:00 |
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| Jaffa | ev'nin, all | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | hey jaffa | 23:01 |
| lcuk | mmm jaffa | 23:01 |
| lcuk | i knew i had something | 23:01 |
| lardman|home | hi Jaffa | 23:01 |
| lcuk | how would you make hermes pickup maemo.org contact details | 23:01 |
| lcuk | im using it to pickup headshots from irc without config based on user names, but realised it would also be good to do for maemo | 23:02 |
| redeeman | which IRC client do you people recommend for N900? | 23:02 |
| lcuk | with regular contacts | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | XChat | 23:02 |
| evo | hi, can someone give me an hint? I'm looking for the directory where maemo stores the bookmarks you put on the desktops | 23:02 |
| fnordianslip | just don't try and change the prefs, as it always crashes for me then | 23:02 |
| suihkulokki | redeeman: ssh to irchost, screen irssi | 23:03 |
| tigert | jebbajebs problem is what i see often too | 23:03 |
| evo | yeah, it's better to manually edit the .xchat2/xchat.conf to avoid crashes | 23:03 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: go off the nickname field in Contacts | 23:03 |
| fnordianslip | evo: thanks | 23:03 |
| tigert | could it be that thwe Release file is not created atomically? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | yeah jaffa, is it doable with hermes tho? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | to let us use community details | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | im just about to go meet a load of folks | 23:04 |
| lcuk | and i dont have them on facebook or twitter | 23:04 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: or iterate over all maemo.org accounts with photos matching on name (probab.y set up an index to speed it up) | 23:04 |
| tigert | hermes plugins! :) | 23:04 |
| lcuk | and most have maemo.org profiles | 23:04 |
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| tigert | brr its freezing here | 23:04 |
| Jaffa | lcuk; certainly doable, I believe it's already on the roadmap at http://hermes.garage.maemo.org/#development | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | tigert: freezing? | 23:05 |
| lcuk | nice :) just thought about it for a specific use case | 23:05 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: I'm going to avoid the Mauku 2 problem as long as possible: design a system so powerful and generic it does nothing well (for a long time). See also Spring | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | python is not installing for me seemingly | 23:06 |
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| xorAxAx | amazon germany has the n900 available! | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone else had this problem? | 23:06 |
| Venomrush | £ and ¤ are important | 23:06 |
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| Venomrush | considering 1/3 of devices are sold in EU alone | 23:06 |
| tigert | METAR: EFHK 022050Z 36004KT 340V050 CAVOK M03/M04 Q1014 0419//95 5419//95 1519//95 NOSIG | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | fnmatch seems to be the first thing mentioned as an error | 23:06 |
| yannj | hello guys, I got a strange behaviour when opening a rtsp:// (video) , the flow is first opened as a video (see about 2 secondes of video) and then it switch on audio (as a flow)... my question : is there a way to open mediaplayer in command line giving the uri, and to force it to read the uri as a video | 23:06 |
| tigert | ;) | 23:07 |
| jaska | currency symbols are useless, other than $ because its used in programming etc :) | 23:07 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: yeah, was joking. you got la point | 23:07 |
| fnordianslip | jaska: and p | 23:07 |
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| Stskeeps | tigert: brrr. cold :P | 23:07 |
| tigert | yea | 23:07 |
| papo | xorAxAx: omg "on stock" | 23:08 |
| evo | yannj: I'd try with mplayer, it works fine for me | 23:08 |
| xorAxAx | papo: yep | 23:08 |
| papo | xorAxAx: it's quite expensive, though | 23:08 |
| xorAxAx | papo: yep | 23:08 |
| mario-goulart | Hi. Does MicroB support java? | 23:08 |
| tigert | mario-goulart: no | 23:09 |
| yannj | evo : how looks the command line? | 23:09 |
| Flandry | no java on N900 | 23:09 |
| tigert | there is no java env in N900 | 23:09 |
| Flandry | javascript yes | 23:09 |
| tigert | not a limit of microb i guess | 23:09 |
| mario-goulart | tigert: ah, ok. Thanks. | 23:10 |
| Flandry | MicroB supports javascript which is what most people are thinking of when they ask :) | 23:10 |
| papo | xorAxAx: I ordered mine from expansys. I'm wondering whether it's really going to ship on 12th | 23:10 |
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| xorAxAx | papo: URL? | 23:10 |
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| papo | xorAxAx: http://www.expansys.ch/d.aspx?i=188856 | 23:10 |
| evo | yannj: something like mplayer -playlist URL | 23:11 |
| papo | xorAxAx: there is a german expansys store, too | 23:11 |
| mario-goulart | Flandry: I mean Java, really. | 23:11 |
| papo | xorAxAx: ^.ch^.de^ | 23:11 |
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| Flandry | alright, just making ure | 23:11 |
| Flandry | sure | 23:11 |
| xorAxAx | papo: hmm, but 550 EUR is still quite expensive, other shops offer it at 500 EUR | 23:11 |
| jebbajeb | yep, editing ~/.xchat2/xchat.conf works, but changing xchat preferences via the program crashes xchat... | 23:12 |
| xorAxAx | http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a457621.html | 23:12 |
| papo | xorAxAx: yes, however, this is the QWERTY layout. Was not able to find another store which provides that layout for a lower price | 23:12 |
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| redeeman | i paid 450EUR in .dk | 23:13 |
| xorAxAx | redeeman: wow, URL? | 23:13 |
| Jaffa | mario-goulart: Google Jalimo, although I believe you can only get it working in-browser with effort | 23:13 |
| redeeman | its sold out, it was via my mobile operator, telmore.dk | 23:13 |
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| evo | I try to ask again, hope to be not annoying: I'd like to edit some bookmarks I put on the desktops, where are they saved? I tried with $HOME/.bookmarks but it stores the browser bookmarks | 23:13 |
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| xorAxAx | redeeman: ah :-( | 23:14 |
| tigert | evo: web ones? | 23:14 |
| el_zilcho | hmm.... jalimo you say... i'll check that out.... i've got some standalone jars i use for pbx configuration | 23:14 |
| jebbajeb | what's the best `mplayer -vo` option? -vo xv seems to drop quite a bit... | 23:14 |
| evo | tigert: exactly, they're saved using the <title> tag of the webpage, but sometimes I'd prefer to change it | 23:15 |
| mario-goulart | Jaffa: Thank you. Actually I was thinking about running MicroB on a regular linux system, just to know it. Don't even know if it is possible or easy, in fact. | 23:15 |
| evo | jebbajeb: I had the same question for -ao .. the default alsa one was not working fine with a web stream, I used -ao pulse | 23:16 |
| Shapeshifter | huh, this is very odd. I just tried using a coupon code at expansys.ch and all of a sudden it gives me an order receipt, and now I'm on a page where I can track the order. I didn't even enter my data or had the intention to actually buy. Seems like this is someone elses order. | 23:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | who ordered 02.12.2009 21:13 London UK Zeit xD | 23:16 |
| jebbajeb | evo: ya -ao pulse for sure (should be default) | 23:16 |
| tigert | evo: i guess edit the web bookmark and add it again :( | 23:17 |
| tigert | looks like it makes a copy to desktop | 23:17 |
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| tigert | and doesnt pick up changes from browser bookmarks | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: can you alter the delivery address? :) | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: my thought exactly | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:17 |
| jebbajeb | evo: echo "ao = pulse" > ~/.mplayer/config | 23:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | nah ;) | 23:18 |
| evo | tigert: umm, no, they're not in the browser bookmarks, they're stored in different places I guess | 23:18 |
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| Jaffa | mario-goulart: I wouldn't bother TBH. Best bet would be within Maemo SDK. timeless might be able to help you run microb outside Maemo, tho. | 23:18 |
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| Makavel | Hello... Cant i browse the web from the sdk. Cos I have been trying mine but it is not working | 23:19 |
| mario-goulart | Jaffa: cool. Thanks for the tips. :-) | 23:19 |
| evo | tigert: I used the second option you get when you click on the + button inside the browser .. sorry but I'm using the Italian i18n so I can't tell you the detailed thing | 23:19 |
| Jaffa | Makavel: check /etc/resolv.conf | 23:20 |
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| evo | jebbajeb: thanks | 23:21 |
| jebbajeb | heh. surprisingly -vo fbdev worked, but -vo fbdev2 totally hosed things | 23:21 |
| jebbajeb | had to reset.... | 23:21 |
| Makavel | Jaffa: That seems to be okay. I can update repo | 23:21 |
| tigert | evo: the "add bookmark" is the list of browser bookmarks | 23:21 |
| Jaffa | Makavel: oh, hmm. Using HAM? | 23:21 |
| tigert | evo: at least for me here | 23:21 |
| tigert | no wait | 23:21 |
| tigert | yeah | 23:21 |
| Makavel | Jaffa: Sorry, but what is HAM? | 23:22 |
| tigert | the second option adds just to desktop | 23:22 |
| yannj | evo : this stream can not be read with mplayer | 23:22 |
| evo | tigert: exactly :) | 23:22 |
| tigert | i guess those cannot be edited from the gui - but yea, they got to be somewhere indeed | 23:22 |
| el_zilcho | Makavel: when i ping google, i'm getting a response from 74.125.45.100, can you get there by numeric address? | 23:22 |
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| evo | tigert: if you're able to find where tell me, I was not able :/ ... thanks | 23:23 |
| aSIMULAtor | tigert: hi | 23:24 |
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| * lardman|home builds Qalculate! for Fremantle | 23:25 | |
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| evo | I wonder if saying that I'd love to have wget really qualifies me as a nerd :P | 23:27 |
| tigert | evo: maybe gconf? | 23:27 |
| tigert | hi aSIMULAtor | 23:27 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 23:27 |
| tigert | and gnight | 23:27 |
| el_zilcho | wget++ | 23:27 |
| lardman|home | evo: install it from the SDK repo | 23:27 |
| Jaffa | evo: apt-get install wget as root | 23:27 |
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| Jaffa | lardman|home: SDK repo not needed in Fremantle | 23:28 |
| Makavel | el_zilcho: from the sdk? I cant | 23:28 |
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| lardman|home | Jaffa: it was a few weeks back | 23:29 |
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| evo | Jaffa: cool! I thought that only packages shown by the package manager application were available! | 23:29 |
| el_zilcho | oh ok... jaffa had just pointed to resolv.conf which i assume was trying to determine if its dns issue or not... if you can't even get a ping response then it sounds like something i'm unqualified to help with :) | 23:29 |
| Jaffa | lardman|home: Hmmm, I've only installed -testing and have installed it | 23:29 |
| lardman|home | perhaps someone added it | 23:30 |
| Jaffa | evo: No, App Mgr only shows Section: user/* apps | 23:30 |
| * Jaffa nods | 23:30 | |
| lardman|home | and it was probably more like month or two ago, had to add the SDK repo to get it | 23:30 |
| * Jaffa has had too much booze to decode the apt-cache policy line | 23:30 | |
| lardman|home | anyone know what I add to Makefile.am to include hildon-1 > | 23:30 |
| lardman|home | ? | 23:30 |
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| evo | tigert: you meant gconf for the desktop bookmarks? | 23:31 |
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| jebbajeb | evo: re-encoding things like this did the trick: http://wiki.maemo.org/Manual_video_encoding | 23:33 |
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| asidjazz | whats the eta for maemo 6 | 23:34 |
| jpetersen | evo, gconf in /apps/osso/hildon-home/bookmarks | 23:34 |
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| asidjazz | also pls url eMMC flashing wiki | 23:34 |
| asidjazz | i wanna reset my phone completely | 23:35 |
| jebbajeb | "MPlayer was compiled without libmp3lame support." waah | 23:35 |
| el_zilcho | hehe | 23:36 |
| el_zilcho | asidjazz: this one? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Linux | 23:36 |
| jebbajeb | ./configure --enable-every-fkn-codec-possible | 23:36 |
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| asidjazz | no ive done taht | 23:37 |
| asidjazz | that doesnt wipe the device | 23:37 |
| * el_zilcho shrugs oh well, i tried | 23:37 | |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: you need to use the normal flashing image and then the emmc image | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | same routine | 23:37 |
| hcarrega | sirs | 23:37 |
| hcarrega | nokia fails | 23:37 |
| hcarrega | in delivery | 23:37 |
| hcarrega | :( | 23:37 |
| asidjazz | yea emmc im ready to do that Stskeeps | 23:37 |
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| hcarrega | gonna quit my request | 23:38 |
| papo | jebbajeb: it's not compliling libmp3lame support in if the devels are not around for libmp3lame | 23:38 |
| asidjazz | Stskeeps: can i have that url again pls? :) | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | hcarrega: oh well? | 23:38 |
| hcarrega | 2 months | 23:38 |
| papo | jebbajeb: Uh but well you probably know that | 23:38 |
| hcarrega | and nothing | 23:38 |
| hcarrega | #fail | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com | 23:38 |
| hcarrega | next week | 23:38 |
| hcarrega | bla bla bla | 23:38 |
| hcarrega | next week | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | hcarrega: there's noone in sales from nokia here afaik | 23:38 |
| hcarrega | week 49 | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:38 |
| papo | hcarrega: it's coming in week 54 | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | so take your moaning to talk.maemo.org :P | 23:38 |
| hcarrega | nokia europe #fails | 23:38 |
| hcarrega | papo: lol | 23:38 |
| hcarrega | :) | 23:38 |
| papo | :-) | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | hcarrega: and this isn't twitter | 23:39 |
| hcarrega | maybe in february 30:) | 23:39 |
| papo | probably | 23:39 |
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| asidjazz | Stskeeps: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php one right? | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | right | 23:40 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: it's not? :o | 23:42 |
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| Dantonic | ZOMG!!!!! | 23:44 |
| Dantonic | Shipment #1: Shipped on December 2, 2009 | 23:44 |
| Dantonic | Delivery estimate:December 3, 2009 | 23:44 |
| evo | I guess if I'm the only one using a Gmail IMAP account with Modest having the "impossible to delete emails" issue | 23:44 |
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| Flandry | grumble when's my app going to show up on downloads | 23:46 |
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| asidjazz | Stskeeps: so this will replace _everything_ on the phone right? | 23:47 |
| asidjazz | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 23:47 |
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| asidjazz | thats the eMMC image? | 23:48 |
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| Xisdibik | Flandry: what app is it? | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: that's the normal flash image | 23:49 |
| Flandry | well never let it be said that #maemo doesn't catalyze change | 23:49 |
| Flandry | Xisdibik: uqm it's a game but i'm impatient :P | 23:49 |
| asidjazz | oh i see i get the vanilla EMMC image | 23:49 |
| asidjazz | and THEN i flash it w/ the US image right Stskeeps | 23:49 |
| yannj | Still don't find any doc about how to open a specific url in mediaplayer from command line :-(( | 23:49 |
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| Stskeeps | asidjazz: no, US EMMC image | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | if you're in US :P | 23:50 |
| asidjazz | Stskeeps: there is no US emmc image listed | 23:50 |
| asidjazz | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 23:50 |
| arachnist | isn't there an universal image? | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: hmm | 23:50 |
| asidjazz | just vanilla | 23:50 |
| asidjazz | it says there will be no maps | 23:50 |
| asidjazz | which i like | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: get vanilla then i guess | 23:50 |
| asidjazz | nokia maps is a waste of hd space | 23:50 |
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| evo | tigert: found it! | 23:51 |
| asidjazz | lol gmail w/ imap | 23:52 |
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| asidjazz | just wait for google to port gmail to maemo | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | heh, doubt it'll happen | 23:52 |
| evo | tigert: /var/lib/gconf/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets/BookmarkShortcut* | 23:52 |
| evo | well, it works fine, the only problem is that deleted emails from Gmail/Trash and Gmail/Spam are not really expunged | 23:53 |
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| arachnist | asidjazz: now that they have android, i doubt they'll do that | 23:53 |
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| aSIMULAtor | lol efnet times | 23:54 |
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| el_zilcho | i'm on this side :) | 23:54 |
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| evo | aSIMULAtor: ahah, yeah | 23:54 |
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| sivang | is quim gill here ? | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: probably resting before going to barcelona? you're usually better off mailing him | 23:57 |
| aSIMULAtor | it's pretty late here i don't think he's online | 23:57 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: he's email server seems to be not responding anymore. I was supposed to talk to him when he finished with the video editing of the stuff from Budapest | 23:59 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: What's there in Barcelona ? | 23:59 |
| lardman|home | hmm, all a bit quite in the qt-maemo channel | 23:59 |
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