| lcuk | mikhas, i dont like censorship, if a person wants to read every single line of text writter there great | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | but there should be a way for posts to be moderated | 00:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | it seems that roughly all of the the cities in continental North America north of Tijuana/Miami are misplaced | 00:00 |
| kalikiana | Finally, Midori shows up in apt and on maemo.org | 00:00 |
| lcuk | and to show only the highest by default :) | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | "thanks" is a good one | 00:00 |
| javispedro | i think any tmo s/n plan should base on allowing each user to select the forums he wants to select for the "active topics" view | 00:00 |
| lcuk | the default fora view might only show thanked entries | 00:00 |
| mikhas | there might need to be a filtered area if we are aexpected to read it, yeah | 00:00 |
| javispedro | and enforcing proper subforum separation | 00:00 |
| lcuk | that would improve the s/n drastically | 00:00 |
| javispedro | like, no idiots posts in development forums | 00:00 |
| lcuk | for random viewers | 00:01 |
| lcuk | logged in users can switch to view all etc | 00:01 |
| lcuk | and join in the live conversation | 00:01 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: or rated 3 stars or more by people who have a positive t/p ratio | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | no | 00:01 |
| lcuk | that needs new options and db stuff | 00:01 |
| qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: Say hi to hash error | 00:01 |
| lcuk | we have thanks that works | 00:02 |
| javispedro | the slashdot system has a problem though, it tends to promote "spectacular" posts instead of "right" wrongs | 00:02 |
| mikhas | well, so what you want is so.com? | 00:02 |
| pekuja | dieg: a forum thread is hardly a statistic. I don't think anyone not handling returns or repairs knows what the failure rate is really like. This sort of thing happens with most new high-tech devices at the beginning. It does suck. I hope I don't get that problem, and I hope you can get a new one promptly. | 00:02 |
| javispedro | s/wrongs/ones | 00:02 |
| lcuk | javispedro, it would happen everywhere | 00:02 |
| lcuk | by popular vote | 00:02 |
| kalikiana | qwerty12_N900, hash error? | 00:02 |
| lcuk | sure, but thats therefore our jobs as thankers | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | to mark good quality items | 00:02 |
| lcuk | which we seem to do | 00:02 |
| lcuk | the thread ranking isnt worth it | 00:02 |
| lcuk | cos thats for the overall thread | 00:02 |
| lcuk | nd doesnt relaly give much knowledge of whats inside | 00:03 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: "No Hash entry in Release file..." Basically, as per-usual, extras-devel has messed up | 00:03 |
| kalikiana | qwerty12_N900, you mean it took long because it had a wrong checksum? | 00:03 |
| kalikiana | oh | 00:03 |
| javispedro | it's too late for tmo, save yourselves! | 00:03 |
| lcuk | no its not | 00:03 |
| mikhas | hahaha | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | i would be really interested to see a quick test on the thanked view | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | the data exists | 00:04 |
| lcuk | and we would know if it would work | 00:04 |
| lcuk | for a general outsiders view on the forums | 00:04 |
| SpeedEvil | My free n900's mic works. | 00:04 |
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| * SpeedEvil checks bank account again to see if they've unscrewed it. | 00:04 | |
| mikhas | theory: the mic doesnt work if you have to pay for your n900? | 00:04 |
| lcuk | overruled. i paid with blood | 00:05 |
| lcuk | and my mic still works | 00:05 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: you got yours already? | 00:05 |
| mikhas | perhaps that does the trick, yeah. did you give your soul, too? | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | nope. | 00:06 |
| woglinde | lcuk hasnt a soul at all | 00:06 |
| woglinde | *g* | 00:06 |
| lcuk | not after you destroyed it with packaging | 00:06 |
| qwerty12_N900 | andre__: "Note to Andre: Drop your non-public Nokia stuff here" - so, like, where is it? :P | 00:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: yes. Ordered on the 20th of oct, they took money on the 23rd of nov, it arrived on the 30th (today) - and they put the money back. | 00:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | Which was a little odd. | 00:07 |
| javispedro | one shouldn't worry about that. | 00:07 |
| javispedro | they'll get the money one way of the other | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 00:07 |
| andre__ | qwerty12_N900, in my pocket. But it's useless to publish it as it only makes sense for people with access to the internal database anyway... | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | They have the right to come in and take it if I don't pay. (reading the website T&Cs :) | 00:08 |
| andre__ | qwerty12_N900, you actually read code? no other hobbies, eh? ;-) | 00:08 |
| qwerty12_N900 | andre__: Oh, I read it, I just don't promise to understand it =) | 00:08 |
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| johnsq | andre__: reading code of others is good for learning | 00:09 |
| andre__ | qwerty12_N900, I have the same problem here, I simply don't get my code ;-) | 00:09 |
| Shapeshifter | I think the word "dealbreaker" should be erased from the English language | 00:09 |
| * javispedro remembers the celerity (hours) of his uni to collect money when grants expire, and the slowness (years) to return the money when grants are renewed | 00:09 | |
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| Vink_ | Hi | 00:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | ih | 00:11 |
| simula__ | that shapeshifter, would be a dealbreaker | 00:11 |
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| Vink_ | Does maeno use a stripdown Xserver | 00:11 |
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| Vink_ | what windowing system does it use? | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | X | 00:12 |
| johnsq | Vink_: just complete X11 | 00:12 |
| kynky | xorg | 00:12 |
| kynky | as opposed to xfree86 | 00:13 |
| Vink_ | isn't that too heavy/ big for phone devices | 00:13 |
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| Vink_ | does the phone appear slow/ | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Vink_: This is not a phone. | 00:13 |
| Vink_ | ? | 00:13 |
| kynky | its super smooth | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Vink_: It's a cutting edge desktop system of 10 years ago. | 00:13 |
| kynky | is a mid | 00:13 |
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| aSIMULAtor | ugh i found something annoying | 00:13 |
| Vink_ | N900 ? | 00:13 |
| javispedro | hey, I find that a great definition actually :) | 00:13 |
| johnsq | Vink_: x11 did run on old 386 cpus with 33mhz | 00:13 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'm calling a US 1 877 number | 00:13 |
| aSIMULAtor | with skype | 00:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | on the n900 | 00:14 |
| Vink_ | I know its a debian derived | 00:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | and it doesn't support dtmf dialpad | 00:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | when it asks you "press 1 for your mom press 2 for your arse" etc | 00:14 |
| jebbajeb1 | this thing is the greatest fone ever. Just got my n900 | 00:14 |
| Vink_ | maemo 5? | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: that's supposed to be fixed in a later service release | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | find someone who has a vpn and grab an updated version :) | 00:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | which release? | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | but beware of downgrade issues on the cellmo | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | um, good question | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N900 | "Ability to connect with ones' arse, fixed for aSIMULAtor" | 00:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | ohhhhhh i'm soooooooooo pissed | 00:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | i ordered some clothes | 00:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | and they cancelled my friggin order | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | this is how people feel with n900s, aSIMULAtor | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | who would cancel an order for clothes? | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | and why? | 00:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | pacsun.com | 00:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | ok i tried to order first with my cc, and get it shipped to my parents in california | 00:16 |
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| aSIMULAtor | and they were like FAIL | 00:16 |
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| aSIMULAtor | then i called my sister and asked for her cc | 00:16 |
| aSIMULAtor | and i used it to order, then get it shipped to hers | 00:16 |
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| aSIMULAtor | and cause i ordered from an IP address outside of the US | 00:16 |
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| aSIMULAtor | they cancelled the order | 00:16 |
| aSIMULAtor | so now i'm going to bitch at them for being pricks | 00:16 |
| aSIMULAtor | and PWN THEM | 00:16 |
| woglinde | hihi | 00:16 |
| aSIMULAtor | like you did that one time to elisa customer service :D | 00:16 |
| aSIMULAtor | ahha that was great fun | 00:16 |
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| aSIMULAtor | one of the highlights of the year 2009 | 00:17 |
| kynky | intresting year? | 00:17 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 00:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | we still talk about it | 00:17 |
| lcuk | i see aSIMULAtor has had a funpacked year :p | 00:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh yeah totally | 00:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | it's just refreshing though to hear an american pwn finnish customer service | 00:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | i did that last week | 00:17 |
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| aSIMULAtor | i complained about the drivers license theory test | 00:18 |
| aSIMULAtor | and the english | 00:18 |
| aSIMULAtor | like WTF OK | 00:18 |
| aSIMULAtor | tell me if u guys know what "dipped headlights" are | 00:18 |
| * lcuk throws lighter across the room gruffly | 00:18 | |
| Vink_ | what is the Desktop Environment on N900? | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | Vink_: um, undefined? | 00:18 |
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| * frals stops lurking and heads back to the endless fun of Java RMI | 00:18 | |
| timeless_mbp | we don't have Gnome or KDE | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | we use clutter as a window magic system | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and gtk apps | 00:18 |
| woglinde | frals hehe | 00:19 |
| woglinde | frals dhcp | 00:19 |
| kynky | with qt apps in the future | 00:19 |
| lcuk | and everything in between | 00:19 |
| mece | well in the present to some extent... | 00:19 |
| frals | :) | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Hildon. ;) | 00:19 |
| timeless_mbp | err yeah, um hildon | 00:19 |
| VDVsx | *hildon-desktop :) | 00:20 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | hildon-home, hildon-status-menu =) | 00:21 |
| Chani | there's a Plasma shell being worked on too (in kde not nokia, of course) | 00:21 |
| javispedro | hildon-desktop is the wm, but the whole DE should be "hildon" | 00:21 |
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| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 00:21 | |
| kynky | how much space, do ppl typically have left on root (df -h), i have about 44MB | 00:21 |
| timeless_mbp | it's simpler to say "there isn't a DE like the DEs you know, so stop dreaming in desktop terms, this isn't a desktop" | 00:21 |
| Vink_ | how much is the memory footprint with all the stuff: clutter, full X11 on the Nokia 900 | 00:22 |
| timeless_mbp | kynky: seems about right | 00:22 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: TBH, I always think of the widgets when I hear "Hildon" | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, no, just Hildon. | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | 62M at the momemt | 00:22 |
| javispedro | so if isn't a desktop and it isn't a phone, what's that thing everyone's talking about? | 00:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i have 67 atm on my newly flashed n900 | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Vink_: typically a thirdish of RAM in use it looks like. | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Vink_: minus buffers, cache | 00:23 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, yeah, he asked for the DE not the wm :P | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, yes, Hildon is the DE. | 00:23 |
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| Vink_ | SpeedEvil, do you have any wiki link etc that consolidates all this? | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Vink_: No. wiki.maemo.org may be worth a loo | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | look | 00:24 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 00:24 | |
| * timeless_mbp must have broken the clock | 00:24 | |
| woglinde | uh | 00:24 |
| * VDVsx doesn't likes hildon, very much :P | 00:24 | |
| woglinde | another n900 goes down | 00:24 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless: You made it true to your name? | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | VDVsx: Just get KDE working on it. | 00:24 |
| moo-_- | timeless_mbp: back from the future? :) | 00:24 |
| Ceron^ | qwerty12_N900: give n900 | 00:25 |
| * hardaker yells "yippie" and begins to open box | 00:25 | |
| Ceron^ | _still not in store_ | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Ceron^: Sword fight! (*shoots Ceron^*) | 00:25 |
| VDVsx | SpeedEvil, buhhhh | 00:25 |
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| VDVsx | ;) | 00:25 |
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| Ceron^ | qwerty12_N900: unfair | 00:26 |
| kynky | cheers | 00:26 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Ceron^: I'm just teaching you one of life's rules | 00:26 |
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| Vink_ | I have a omap evm board, will it work on that board | 00:26 |
| Vink_ | 512 MB ram, 512 nand | 00:26 |
| VDVsx | SpeedEvil, I like the 'apparency' of the system, don't like hildon as a dev 'framework' (from a dev POV) | 00:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Vink_: | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | ~mer | 00:27 |
| infobot | i heard mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, the WM is Matchbox2 | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | or, maybe, http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_on_OMAP_Project | 00:27 |
| lcuk | hey Stskeeps im sure you are on a commission for those guys :p | 00:27 |
| kynky | gotta say q3a arena runs alot better than i thought it would | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: damn straight | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:27 |
| moo-_- | kynky: are there sane conrols for it? | 00:27 |
| moo-_- | controls | 00:28 |
| kynky | moo-_-, i was surprised how easy it was to play | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | hope it doenst break it | 00:28 |
| moo-_- | kynky: against bots? :) | 00:28 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, afaik is a very modified version of matchbox, a derivate | 00:28 |
| kynky | accelerometer for moving, proximity sensor for fire, can use cursor keys for move and touch screen for look | 00:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, sure, but it's sure not Hildon. :P | 00:28 |
| kynky | moo-_-, played on internet and single player | 00:29 |
| moo-_- | ah. very nice trick with proximity sensor. | 00:29 |
| moo-_- | kynky: is proximity sensor "analog control" | 00:29 |
| moo-_- | i.e. it has linear response? | 00:29 |
| kynky | its just fire | 00:29 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, well, they name it hildon-desktop | 00:29 |
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| kynky | afaict | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, libmatchbox2 | 00:29 |
| mece | is quake 2 (whatever it was called on previous maemo versions) ported to fremantle btw? | 00:30 |
| Flandry | N900 owner: what does groups return? | 00:30 |
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| Vink_ | @Stskeeps, I already have ubuntu running on my arm board Cortex A9 | 00:32 |
| * lcuk curses c for forcing ; | 00:32 | |
| SpeedEvil | groups | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | sh: groups: not found | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | Vink_: then it's an easy step up | 00:32 |
| Vink_ | yes, I though so, havent tried yet | 00:32 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, "Hildon desktop, the window manager, application launcher and switcher program." | 00:32 |
| Vink_ | were you able to run maemo 5 on the omap board then? | 00:34 |
| VDVsx | and yes, it uses matchbox as a base, afaik | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | Vink_: on zoom2 and beagle so far. there's a bug with newest SDK though | 00:34 |
| lcuk | oh bollocks | 00:34 |
| lcuk | i wrote a function which is deep in the system and it does a very nice thing, but now i need to change the functionality of it and its gonna be annoying | 00:35 |
| Vink_ | oh cool, let me try on my zoom2 board | 00:35 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: No pain, no gain | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | Vink_: bug meaning it won't make a booting X right now until we fix the sgx patch for the kernel | 00:35 |
| Vink_ | oh, then its no good | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | Vink_: give us a week and it should be better | 00:36 |
| lcuk | curious, github isnt indexed properly by google | 00:36 |
| Vink_ | when is it expected to be patched? | 00:36 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: did you get any reply btw? | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: none yet | 00:36 |
| lardman | ok | 00:37 |
| Vink_ | I have the Nvidia Tegra 2 | 00:38 |
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| Vink_ | any hopes of running on that? | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | what instruction set is that? | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | dual cortex a9? | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | for Mer, sure, not sure about m5 | 00:39 |
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| Vink_ | yes, dual cortex A9 | 00:39 |
| Vink_ | I have the beta board | 00:39 |
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| Stskeeps | mer needs a working kernel and a Xorg, and even better if gles2 exists | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:39 |
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| arachnist | huh | 00:41 |
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| arachnist | mmcb1k0p1 being a vfat is *bad* | 00:42 |
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| arachnist | i couldn't even put Sky Blue 720p rip on it :/ | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ew Tegra | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | arachnist, it doesn't really playback 720p anyway. | 00:43 |
| arachnist | well, mplayer complains | 00:43 |
| lardman | hmm, just realised I broke portrait mode in mbarcode, time to fire up the Linux box and get fixing | 00:43 |
| lardman | bbiam | 00:43 |
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| Vink_ | what hardware does N900 use? | 00:44 |
| ShadowJK | omap3 | 00:44 |
| andre__ | Vink_, http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430 | 00:44 |
| Vink_ | omap zoom2 board has the same specs | 00:47 |
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| jaem_n810 | timeless_mbp, poke | 00:47 |
| timeless_mbp | counter poke | 00:47 |
| Vink_ | dumbass question: Why doesn't X work on omap zoom 2? | 00:47 |
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| jaem_n810 | so, that Nokia dev says my code shouldn't work, but it does | 00:48 |
| jaem_n810 | which leaves me vaguely confused | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | Vink_: in our port? simple, in the last SDK update they suddenly updated the SGX module in kernel on us :) | 00:48 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 00:49 | |
| jaem_n810 | he said that the bt_ui code uses unicast DBus signals, which he said are nonstandard | 00:49 |
| jaem_n810 | and that I'd have to use libdbus directly | 00:49 |
| jaem_n810 | but it works | 00:49 |
| jaem_n810 | huh | 00:49 |
| Tyrant91101 | is maemo5 capable of running on another embedded system as long as its arm cortex? | 00:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | Tyrant91101: eh? | 00:53 |
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| Flandry | can't find where it talks about testing and what can reset the tests. Is it uploading a new version to extras-devel or promoting a new version to testing? | 00:54 |
| moo-_- | Tyrant91101: i believe not | 00:54 |
| moo-_- | there are more in hw than just cpu | 00:54 |
| moo-_- | and chipset | 00:54 |
| ShadowJK | ~mer | 00:54 |
| infobot | mer is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 00:54 |
| timeless_mbp | moo-_-: what do you mean? | 00:54 |
| timeless_mbp | err | 00:54 |
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| Tyrant91101 | Well I mean given that the drivers/apps are updated for whatever the other hardware is | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Tyrant91101: so.... maemo5 is kinda lots of things to lots of people | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | hypothetically someone w/ full source access could port it to another arm device | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | if the screen is 2px by 2px | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | then no, maemo5 won't work there | 00:55 |
| moo-_- | Tyrant91101: if you want complete open start point, try openmoko and openembedded | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | and if it's 2million px by 2million px | 00:55 |
| lcuk | timeless, but we could make a disco app for it | 00:55 |
| moo-_- | they have been succefully ported | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | then maemo5 will probably not work well there | 00:55 |
| lcuk | wow timeless what would oyu fill a 2million*2million display with | 00:56 |
| * lcuk has ideas | 00:56 | |
| Stskeeps | liqbase, of course | 00:56 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i don't want to know | 00:56 |
| Tyrant91101 | Where would you get a bus that can send data fast enough | 00:56 |
| lcuk | :D Stskeeps | 00:56 |
| lcuk | Tyrant91101, collaborative networked machines of course | 00:57 |
| lcuk | each one just another brick in the wall | 00:57 |
| Tyrant91101 | You mean corraborative controllers and seperate lcd panels? | 00:57 |
| * lcuk ponders holymoly2 | 00:57 | |
| lcuk | Tyrant91101, whatever is practical | 00:58 |
| Tyrant91101 | i dont think a 2 terapixel display is practical period :P | 00:58 |
| lcuk | Tyrant91101, the n900 is nice and brick sized | 00:58 |
| lcuk | Tyrant91101, it really depends on what you want on the display | 00:58 |
| lcuk | if you had an array of 100*100 N900s and they were showing a small piece of the same puzzle | 00:58 |
| lardman | can one only have a single DBus callback in a given application? | 00:59 |
| lardman | or could I have e.g. one to handle messages sent to org.maemo.mbarcode and another for orientation messages? | 00:59 |
| derf | lcuk: A 1048560x1048560 Theora stream, of course. | 00:59 |
| Vink_ | roughly how much time does it take to port to other arm devices? | 00:59 |
| derf | The largest the standard allows. | 00:59 |
| Tyrant91101 | ARM not that long | 01:00 |
| Tyrant91101 | They share common architectures | 01:00 |
| moo-_- | Hypermega HD | 01:00 |
| lcuk | lardman, whn you register for signals dont they all come in the same osso port thiny | 01:00 |
| lcuk | ie i dont think you can break em up | 01:00 |
| lcuk | derf, problem there is bandwidth | 01:00 |
| lardman | lcuk: dunno, my two callbacks have different formats | 01:00 |
| lcuk | you need to get the data to all machines at the same time | 01:00 |
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| derf | lcuk: That's always going to be a problem with that kind of display. | 01:01 |
| moo-_- | lcuk: if it's not real-time you can cache the stream locally before starting show video synchronously | 01:01 |
| lcuk | derf not really | 01:01 |
| lcuk | you cant cache realistically a movie over 10000 machines | 01:01 |
| moo-_- | lcuk: oh yes.... facebook et. al. do even trickier massive data sharding :) | 01:01 |
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| moo-_- | cache just a local piece of it | 01:02 |
| lcuk | lardman, i thought each specific callback was its own function anyway | 01:02 |
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| lcuk | moo-_-, think of the delivery system required to get the right parts of the movies to the right screens at the right time for such a system | 01:03 |
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| lcuk | but if you considered rendering a fractal scene | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | just sending out the coordinates from 1 machine to say zoom to this area | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | each machine could act on its own with low bandwidth | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | and display a live interactive view | 01:04 |
| lcuk | and that would scale on n8x0 class hardware upto as far as the networking would allow | 01:05 |
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| derf | lardman: There are glib bindings for dbus that can handle dispatching callbacks for you appropriately. | 01:06 |
| derf | But back on the N800, at least, these were totally broken. | 01:06 |
| derf | I don't know if there's a newer version of dbus on newer tablets that fixes them. | 01:06 |
| lardman | I'm mixing libosso rpc stuff, which is in the wiki for how to handle orientation changes, with a general DBus callback handler for messages to my app, and wondering if the latter is stealing the former's messages | 01:07 |
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| lardman | ah well #dbus wasn't much help, just told me to ask in here | 01:08 |
| derf | Hah. | 01:08 |
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| lardman | perhaps I asked the wrong thing, oh well | 01:09 |
| derf | Well, there's always dbus_bus_get_private(). | 01:09 |
| derf | Which lets you get separate connections. But that seems excessive. | 01:09 |
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| lardman | Am just trying to find the libosso code to see what the rpc* functions actually do with the DBus bus | 01:10 |
| lardman | if anyone can give me a hint as to where on Earth it lives, that would be useful | 01:11 |
| lardman | gitorious I guess? | 01:12 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, hildon desktop | 01:12 |
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| woglinde | http://performous.org/ | 01:14 |
| lardman | thanks Stskeeps | 01:14 |
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| arachnist | here's the plan: screw the standard / which is smaller than what my other arm toy has, put / on /dev/mmcblk0p2 (which is 2GB in size), put /home on /dev/mmcblk0p1 (which is 27GB) in size, dispose of the ability to use the device as a pendrive. | 01:16 |
| aSIMULAtor | what happened to extras-devel repository | 01:16 |
| aSIMULAtor | still there or ei | 01:16 |
| arachnist | aSIMULAtor: bunch of stuff was removed from it, especially emulators | 01:16 |
| woglinde | aSIMULAtor emails sounded it is fixed | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | aSIMULAtor: technical error in repo updating i think | 01:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | ok cheers | 01:18 |
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| javispedro | "receiving multiple calls at the same time through multiple voice, sip, or skype services" and someone on tmo says "it's a very basic problem" | 01:20 |
| * javispedro sighs | 01:20 | |
| frals | lol | 01:20 |
| javispedro | I hope he was being sarcastic.. | 01:20 |
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| mikhas | the problem being that you let yourself into a situation where you have to handle multiple calls at the same time? | 01:21 |
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| javispedro | the "dealbreaker" being that the n900 doesn't seem to handle this (rather uncommon IMHO) situation gracefully | 01:21 |
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| woglinde | dealer? | 01:22 |
| fnordianslippers | why is it different to call waiting? | 01:22 |
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| lbt | javispedro: clearly he's someone who can talk through his arse... :D | 01:23 |
| lardman | ok, so it looks like it adds callbacks for both the system and session buses | 01:23 |
| greenfly | as long as the n900 gives you the option to either put a current call or the incoming call on hold, or it goes to voice mail directly when you are on the phone, I don't see the big deal | 01:23 |
| aSIMULAtor | such rare use cases | 01:24 |
| greenfly | only time I've run into it is when a call drops and both of us call each other at the same time | 01:24 |
| greenfly | I'll see an incoming call from the person I'm calling | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | just buy multiple devices | 01:26 |
| lcuk | you were born with 2 ears, use them | 01:26 |
| lcuk | or could you get stereo bt headsets | 01:26 |
| * aSIMULAtor is thankfully not so important that she gets multiple calls at a time | 01:26 | |
| lcuk | actually, strike all that | 01:26 |
| mavhc | well, can't you put one call on hold and answer another? | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | i dunno | 01:27 |
| lcuk | ive never in my existence ever had more than one caller o nthe line at a time | 01:27 |
| greenfly | I suppose that's what is causing the hoopla in t.m.o | 01:27 |
| aSIMULAtor | yes | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | they usually get an engaged tone | 01:27 |
| lcuk | taking multiple calls is like toilet stall sharing | 01:27 |
| mavhc | I have two phones | 01:27 |
| lcuk | for men | 01:27 |
| javispedro | actually, his case is that google voice is replicating the _same_ call over the three services (gsm, sip, skype) | 01:27 |
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| javispedro | thus the service is choosen on a First Come First Served basis. | 01:28 |
| greenfly | javispedro: ahh, I hadn't read the thread. that's just silly | 01:28 |
| jaem_n810 | lcuk, lol | 01:28 |
| Vink_ | just to confirm, N900 (maemo 5) uses full fledged X11 with clutter as the Windowing System and gtk (qt to come soon) apps | 01:29 |
| Vink_ | am I right? | 01:29 |
| lcuk | yes | 01:29 |
| greenfly | that person should set up google voice to only send to his phone once | 01:29 |
| Vink_ | lcuk, thanks | 01:29 |
| woglinde | vink qt is already there | 01:29 |
| lcuk | Vink_, to be fully integrated into the system, gtk apps need "hildonizing" | 01:29 |
| lcuk | which is the process of changing a couple of the UI widget classes and diddling with stuff | 01:30 |
| woglinde | vink but not the main widgetset | 01:30 |
| lcuk | but raw gtk works | 01:30 |
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| kalikiana | Vink_, you can even see the code of HildonDesktop on gitorious if you're curious | 01:30 |
| * javispedro can't believe he has to argue that the n900 doesn't has usb host out of the box _again_ | 01:30 | |
| lcuk | then dont | 01:30 |
| Vink_ | and the memory footprint is ~62 M | 01:30 |
| Vink_ | ? | 01:30 |
| lcuk | dunno | 01:30 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to test that. (usb-host) | 01:30 | |
| lcuk | is this for the wiki page you suggested | 01:30 |
| lcuk | or secret spy mission? | 01:30 |
| lardman | anyone know if DBus callbacks consume the signals they are passed unless they return e.g. something other than OSSO_OK? | 01:31 |
| javispedro | Vink_: you have been answered before | 01:31 |
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| lcuk | lardman, question doesnt quite parse | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Vink_: A freshly booted - and left for a couple of hours n900 has about 100M free. That is easily freeable RAM | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | (buffers+cache) | 01:32 |
| lardman | when you have a DBus signal/method callback, does any signal/message passed to the callback get destroyed if the callback returns e.g. OSSO_OK, rather than being passed onto the next handler | 01:32 |
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| javispedro | lardman: in raw dbus, dbus_connection_add_filter's callbacks can choose to return DBUS_HANDLER_RESULT_HANDLED or DBUS_HANDLER_RESULT_NOT_YET_HANDLED | 01:32 |
| javispedro | won't probably help you in glib dbus, but :) | 01:33 |
| lardman | hmm, ok | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, ChristExaport. | 01:33 |
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| lardman | just wondering if osso_rpc handles my callback before I get to it | 01:33 |
| lardman | or something | 01:33 |
| lardman | handles my signal even | 01:33 |
| derf | You can monitor the bus, to see if they're sent at all. | 01:34 |
| derf | dbus-monitor | 01:34 |
| lardman | I know they're sent, just wondering why my callback isn't being called since I added in a DBus callback | 01:34 |
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| derf | Did you add a match rule for it? | 01:35 |
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| frals | anyone heard anything bout "Forum Nokia and Maemo Marketing busy next week presenting developer opportunities next week in Paris, Mountain View, Stockholm and Barcelona"? only seen stuff about barcelona | 01:35 |
| lardman | yeah, I have a match rule for the MCE orientation stuff, and a DBus dbus_connection_add_filter() | 01:35 |
| lardman | that used to work | 01:35 |
| lardman | before I added in this: result = osso_rpc_set_cb_f(appdata->osso, | 01:35 |
| lardman | "org.maemo.mbarcode", | 01:35 |
| lardman | "/org/maemo/mbarcode", | 01:35 |
| lardman | "org.maemo.mbarcode", | 01:35 |
| lardman | dbus_req_handler, NULL); | 01:35 |
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| lardman | it looks to me like the callback should ignore signals and only handle methods | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | The built-in File manager not having root permissions and not browsing / is a "roadblock" . . . right. | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | The anti-commandline mentality by supposed "hackers" is hilarious. | 01:38 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 01:40 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, forget hackers | 01:42 |
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| aSIMULAtor | anyone have the problem that when they try to update via application manager the update progress bar goes back to 0 and takes 15 mins | 01:42 |
| lcuk | imagine your mum idly browsing /usr/bin and taking a fancy to something | 01:43 |
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| lcuk | ooo aSIMULAtor no | 01:44 |
| lcuk | but that sounds special | 01:44 |
| * lcuk must vanish anyway | 01:44 | |
| lcuk | im trying to get this working | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAtor, what repos? | 01:44 |
| aSIMULAtor | extras | 01:44 |
| aSIMULAtor | extras testing | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, I updated about 40 minutes ago without issue. | 01:45 |
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| aSIMULAtor | same | 01:45 |
| aSIMULAtor | it's my friend who's having problems | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could be a local network issue. | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | apt-get update in console? | 01:45 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah probably a local network issue | 01:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, I guess h-a-m does have logs. | 01:47 |
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| aSIMULAtor | then another friend is having problems with his wifi | 01:53 |
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| odin_ | needs better RSS/browser workflow, for example browsers knowing where they were launched from, so back button auto-closes it (and goes back to a previous brose window, or back to a different app) | 01:55 |
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| odin_ | so if RSS launches browser, then you look at side, the you use back button, it should auto-close browser and re-select the RSS reader as the app in focus | 01:56 |
| odin_ | s/side/site/ | 01:56 |
| infobot | odin_ meant: so if RSS launches browser, then you look at site, the you use back button, it should auto-close browser and re-select the RSS reader as the app in focus | 01:56 |
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| el_zilcho | Is there any tool that could help me troubleshoot wifi without root access? i'm pretty sure my wifi is non-functional as i haven't been able to even see any AP's two feet from a machine that can, let alone connect | 01:57 |
| el_zilcho | i can't get my root because i can't get wifi working | 01:57 |
| kynky | copy deb via usb ? | 01:58 |
| lardman | hmm, still not working with the DBus stuff gone | 01:58 |
| el_zilcho | maybe not a bad solution | 01:59 |
| aSIMULAtor | i said that in the other chan :P | 01:59 |
| el_zilcho | let me find rootsh in that form | 01:59 |
| aSIMULAtor | but a couple of hours ago | 01:59 |
| lardman | does anyone have a link to the maemo.org wiki page about implementing orientation under Fremantle? | 01:59 |
| kynky | other chan ? | 01:59 |
| lardman | I can't seem to find it | 01:59 |
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| aSIMULAtor | we're in another channel together | 01:59 |
| el_zilcho | oh, ust have been when i had my head into things | 01:59 |
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| lcuk | lardman, the wiki is outdated! | 02:01 |
| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Using_Fremantle_Widgets#Portrait_Mode | 02:01 |
| * el_zilcho sighs | 02:02 | |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation is not what it seems | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | el_zilcho, it has nothing at all showing | 02:02 |
| lcuk | thats curious too | 02:02 |
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| kynky | the chess ai on n900 is pretty good | 02:02 |
| lcuk | why are people bringing odd things out now | 02:02 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah I was also having troubles sifting through | 02:02 |
| lcuk | kynky, its running on faster hardware | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | it will kick ur ass | 02:02 |
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| el_zilcho | it only shows at&t's conn | 02:02 |
| el_zilcho | one sec | 02:03 |
| el_zilcho | installing rootsh.deb | 02:03 |
| kynky | lcuk, been trying to beat it on easy =) | 02:03 |
| lcuk | yeah i noticed that problem lol | 02:03 |
| * aSIMULAtor hangs head in shame if her friends' n900s don't work | 02:03 | |
| lcuk | its a lot tougher than it was on n810. evolved | 02:03 |
| lcuk | aSIMULAtor, we do more than that | 02:04 |
| lcuk | you know oyur ninja training wasnt a waste | 02:04 |
| lcuk | your | 02:04 |
| Macer | 3 220.133.116.100: address not listed for hostname t888.com.tw | 02:04 |
| Macer | i hate asia | 02:04 |
| kynky | asia is a big place | 02:04 |
| Macer | filled with the same types of people | 02:04 |
| aSIMULAtor | u mean chinky chongs? | 02:05 |
| lardman | I've found the problem, interesting. | 02:05 |
| Macer | aSIMULAtor: no. i mean people that just feel it is necessary to try to hack systems just for the sake of doing it | 02:05 |
| Macer | there's no honor amongst hackers nowadays :) | 02:05 |
| lardman | I was using this: appdata->con = dbus_g_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SYSTEM, &error); rather than this: appdata->con = osso_get_sys_dbus_connection(appdata->osso); on the recommendation of this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/SendVia_Functionality | 02:05 |
| lardman | that was a mistake | 02:05 |
| derf | Are you trying to pretend there ever was? | 02:05 |
| lcuk | lardman, mistake in docs on wiki? | 02:06 |
| lcuk | or just from your head | 02:06 |
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| lardman | dunno really, not even sure what the docs are trying to achieve ;) | 02:06 |
| lcuk | bonus tho for gettin past that end of level nasty | 02:07 |
| lardman | but looks like if you want osso_rpc, then don't ask for the system bus pointer directly | 02:07 |
| kynky | aSIMULAtor, worst case for fixing n900, do reflash ? | 02:07 |
| lcuk | maemo development really is an MMORPG | 02:07 |
| aSIMULAtor | easy for me to reflash at work, not sure if that's a good suggestion to my friend | 02:08 |
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| lcuk | aSIMULAtor, the system updater is available | 02:09 |
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| lardman | is there a debian field called conflicts? | 02:10 |
| xnt14 | guys, don't mind my bot usage, I just want to show Archanamiya infobot, (we're writing a bot) | 02:10 |
| Archanamiya | ah | 02:10 |
| xnt14 | ~seen Archanamiya | 02:10 |
| infobot | archanamiya is currently on #maemo (46s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 7s, last said: 'ah'. | 02:10 |
| Archanamiya | :D | 02:10 |
| xnt14 | :P | 02:10 |
| xnt14 | ~seen b-man17 | 02:10 |
| infobot | b-man17 <n=b-man17@pool-98-115-142-132.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 4h 50m 13s ago, saying: 'hello, javispedro'. | 02:10 |
| Archanamiya | :) | 02:10 |
| xnt14 | ~stab Archanamiya | 02:11 |
| * infobot runs at Archanamiya with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. | 02:11 | |
| xnt14 | lol | 02:11 |
| Archanamiya | o_O | 02:11 |
| Archanamiya | lol | 02:11 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 02:11 |
| el_zilcho | Ok, so how am i supposed to install rootsh from a .deb when i don't have perms to run dpkg? | 02:11 |
| xnt14 | what else | 02:11 |
| el_zilcho | lol | 02:11 |
| el_zilcho | that was a fun little endeavor | 02:11 |
| xnt14 | ~poke Archanamiya | 02:11 |
| * infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Archanamiya, pokes Archanamiya repeatedly, hilarity ensues. | 02:11 | |
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| Archanamiya | xDxDxD | 02:11 |
| xnt14 | :P | 02:12 |
| * el_zilcho tracks down the log to see who suggested it | 02:12 | |
| el_zilcho | lol | 02:12 |
| xnt14 | ~nuke Archanamiya | 02:12 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Archanamiya ... B☢☢M! | 02:12 | |
| xnt14 | el_zilcho, im showing Archanamiya infobot | 02:12 |
| Archanamiya | uh oh | 02:12 |
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| xnt14 | were writing a bot | 02:12 |
| Archanamiya | im screwed :P | 02:12 |
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| xnt14 | :P | 02:12 |
| xnt14 | ~badbot | 02:12 |
| Archanamiya | ignored | 02:12 |
| Archanamiya | :P | 02:12 |
| xnt14 | I think that was the command | 02:12 |
| xnt14 | :P | 02:12 |
| xnt14 | ~help | 02:12 |
| Archanamiya | xD ignored | 02:13 |
| xnt14 | no | 02:13 |
| xnt14 | it pmed me | 02:13 |
| Archanamiya | oh | 02:13 |
| Archanamiya | gotcha | 02:13 |
| Archanamiya | :) | 02:13 |
| xnt14 | ~wtf | 02:13 |
| xnt14 | ~wtf test | 02:13 |
| infobot | test: test (1) - check file types and compare values | 02:13 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 02:13 |
| xnt14 | lol | 02:13 |
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| el_zilcho | back to square one.... 1) can't connect via wifi, can't even see broadcastin, open ap 2) can't troubleshoot the issue because i don't have root 3) can't install rootsh from deb because of same permission issues | 02:14 |
| xnt14 | brb | 02:14 |
| xnt14 | im back | 02:14 |
| Archanamiya | k | 02:14 |
| el_zilcho | that was fast | 02:14 |
| xnt14 | ok how about some other cmds | 02:14 |
| Archanamiya | k | 02:14 |
| xnt14 | lol | 02:14 |
| xnt14 | ~burn something | 02:14 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over something, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 02:14 | |
| lcuk | xnt14, take it to pm for now hes seen lots of it | 02:15 |
| xnt14 | lcuk, infobot doesn't work over pm | 02:15 |
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| aSIMULAtor | if you have access to your at&t connection can't you install rootsh via there and app manager? | 02:15 |
| * xnt14 rereads the sentence | 02:15 | |
| lcuk | improvise | 02:15 |
| xnt14 | oh xD | 02:15 |
| lcuk | or find a chan with him in thats not busy | 02:15 |
| xnt14 | ~join #projectnini | 02:16 |
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| xnt14 | I don't think it'll let me fo that | 02:16 |
| xnt14 | *do | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 02:16 |
| xnt14 | ok lol | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | now how to render these .ass subs to a video and re-encode for n900.. | 02:16 |
| lcuk | el_zilcho, has it done this always | 02:16 |
| el_zilcho | i just got it today... screw it... i should probably just get on the line with customer support instead of trying to troubleshoot it myself... | 02:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | what..amazon customer support? | 02:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | lol | 02:17 |
| el_zilcho | i probably could use att to download the appropriate apps but i haven't turned on my data plan | 02:17 |
| el_zilcho | no, nokia | 02:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | no way, i doubt they can help you | 02:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | if anything i would think ppl in here would | 02:17 |
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| lcuk | el_zilcho, on a hunch, take out the sim and see what happens | 02:18 |
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| el_zilcho | will do | 02:18 |
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| lardman | has anyone found a low-bandwidth site which streams the twitter-like comments from the rugby? | 02:19 |
| lardman | same goes for the cricket for that matter, thinking to the future | 02:20 |
| lcuk | irc | 02:20 |
| lardman | like the bbc.co.uk ones, if anyone has ever seen them | 02:20 |
| lardman | is there a dedicated irc channel? | 02:21 |
| lcuk | why cant you use the bbc | 02:21 |
| lardman | the page is heavy | 02:21 |
| lcuk | there should be live irc chans for all sorts of events :) | 02:21 |
| lcuk | and a cleve irc client to pluck out the data | 02:21 |
| lcuk | and give easy clickable links ;) | 02:21 |
| lcuk | of everything, like isbn numbers and stuff | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: transcript live of radio 5? | 02:21 |
| aSIMULAtor | have infobot do that | 02:21 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: does that exist somewhere? | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: dunno | 02:22 |
| lardman | not sure I need that level of waffle though | 02:22 |
| lardman | otherwise I'd just listen to it online | 02:22 |
| lardman | well try over a 3G connection anyway | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: see http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ | 02:22 |
| el_zilcho | so far no good, but we'll see... soon as it came back up, i nudged to see the internet connection by the clock and it scanned and updated with nothing... settings, internet, connections, new, scan also shows nothing with or without sim card in... so i guess its fubar | 02:22 |
| lcuk | and there are connections nearby | 02:23 |
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| lcuk | that are strong etc | 02:23 |
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| el_zilcho | is there any other functionality that would be expected to fail if the wifi failed? like bluetooth or anything? i'm 10 feet from my router which i switched to broadcast essid and no encryption | 02:23 |
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| lcuk | el_zilcho, i wouldnt know, wifi has been the most rock solid components in the entire time ive mucked with device | 02:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: ping | 02:24 |
| lcuk | ie, ive never had probs with it and never heard of others rly | 02:24 |
| timeless_mbp | have you tried using the clock? | 02:24 |
| timeless_mbp | Baltimore is amusing | 02:24 |
| aSIMULAtor | timeless: u know of any issues with wifi? | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: um... | 02:25 |
| el_zilcho | lol, ok... just thought if it was hardware related issue that maybe some other rf based stuff might not work | 02:25 |
| aSIMULAtor | my friend is having problems connecting his device | 02:25 |
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| el_zilcho | anyways | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | define issues | 02:25 |
| lcuk | failure to see any APs | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | is the network WPS, WPA, WEP, Open, WPA2? | 02:25 |
| aSIMULAtor | [02:14am] <el_zilcho> back to square one.... 1) can't connect via wifi, can't even see broadcastin, open ap 2) can't troubleshoot the issue because i don't have root 3) can't install rootsh from deb because of same permission issues | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | 3 is solvable | 02:26 |
| el_zilcho | open and broadcasting... two locations it fails to see any APs whatsoever with another machine in the vicinity clearly reading its presence | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | he can enable red pill moe | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | mode | 02:26 |
| lcuk | its el_zilcho, i'm 10 feet from my router which i switched to broadcast essid and no encryption | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and use install from file to install the deb | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | assuming he can download the .deb some other way | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | (please excuse gender on friend) | 02:26 |
| aSIMULAtor | it's a he | 02:26 |
| * timeless_mbp presumes el = spanish male | 02:26 | |
| el_zilcho | I can't install rootsh from deb because i don't have root access | 02:26 |
| aSIMULAtor | he's a he | 02:26 |
| aSIMULAtor | :P | 02:26 |
| el_zilcho | funny, eh? | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | el_zilcho: see above | 02:26 |
| aSIMULAtor | how do you enable red pill mode? | 02:26 |
| el_zilcho | r&d? | 02:27 |
| lcuk | el_zilcho, WHAT TYPE OF ap IS IT | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. open app manager | 02:27 |
| aSIMULAtor | i know you press some top corner in application manager | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. tap the title area | 02:27 |
| lcuk | A/B/N/X/ABC | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | 3. tap catalog(ue)s | 02:27 |
| lcuk | -caps | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | 4. tap new | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | 5. change the url to 'matrix' | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | 6. tap outside the dialog | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | 7. select the red pill | 02:27 |
| el_zilcho | ty | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | 8. tap the title again and use install from file | 02:28 |
| * Xisdibik wishes there were more steps so he could read timeless_mbp's sentences more | 02:29 | |
| * aSIMULAtor should be going to sleep but wants to make sure zero's device works :P | 02:29 | |
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| timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: i have roughly 150 blog entries | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | go read them | 02:29 |
| kynky | big disclaimer follows for other ppl seeing how to enable red pill mode | 02:29 |
| lcuk | but its so good to get a live irc recital | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, "don't do it" | 02:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you think you need red pill mode, you're *probably* doing something wrong | 02:30 |
| timeless_mbp | el_zilcho: once you've installed rootsh, repeat the process and select the blue pill | 02:30 |
| timeless_mbp | el_zilcho: technically you could have created a local repo and pointed to that :) | 02:30 |
| lardman | ah, the genius of it, and you can even use mbarcode to open your favourite rugby wap site :) | 02:30 |
| kynky | or run the .install file ? | 02:31 |
| lcuk | lardman +1 | 02:31 |
| lcuk | feature creep :D | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | .install files don't tend to work well w/o a working network :) | 02:31 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: blogs just arnt the same ;) | 02:31 |
| zerojay | aSIMULAtor: You can go to bed then. ;) | 02:31 |
| el_zilcho | will do, ty | 02:31 |
| aSIMULAtor | haha | 02:31 |
| aSIMULAtor | zero :) | 02:31 |
| el_zilcho | nite | 02:31 |
| aSIMULAtor | no i'll irc from bed :P | 02:31 |
| aSIMULAtor | now chuang's having problem with his device | 02:32 |
| zerojay | el_zilcho: Turn down your power saving as well. Might make a difference. | 02:32 |
| aSIMULAtor | wtf is up | 02:32 |
| lardman | lcuk: I've added the ability to encode install files in QR codes and therefore hopefully install them from a picture :) | 02:32 |
| kynky | oh yeah, lol thought you could use .install over usb, but obviously that connects out to net, hence local rep quip :) | 02:32 |
| lcuk | lardman, that would work really well combined with timelesses dynamic repo and a tiny web server on device | 02:32 |
| aSIMULAtor | zerojay: i guess we caught each other on irc :P | 02:33 |
| lcuk | like i said at the summit, installing files by word of mouth would be cool | 02:33 |
| lcuk | but it breaks all kinds of protocols for extras and stuff | 02:33 |
| lardman | lcuk: well no need for a webserver on device, otherwise the camera can't see the barcode | 02:33 |
| lcuk | it owuld be a wicked idea | 02:33 |
| lcuk | webserver has nothign to do with the camera | 02:33 |
| lcuk | your barcode shows | 02:34 |
| lcuk | http://10.0.0.3/quick/install | 02:34 |
| zerojay | aSIMULAtor: Hah.. yeah, sure did. I came home from work way late too. | 02:34 |
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| lcuk | quick.install | 02:34 |
| lcuk | and it was dynamically generated based on the ip address now | 02:34 |
| lcuk | the install starts pointing at this new dynamic repository | 02:34 |
| lcuk | dragging files from my tablet to yours | 02:34 |
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| lardman | lcuk: http://tinyurl.com/yfh3fx9 | 02:35 |
| lcuk | and hey presto, new app | 02:35 |
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| lcuk | tl; dr | 02:35 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:35 |
| lcuk | lardman did you ever transition over to reading direct from the viewfinder | 02:36 |
| lcuk | or are you still taking the larger slower full resolution image and using gstreamer to scale | 02:36 |
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| lardman | well even the viewfinder is scaled somewhere | 02:36 |
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| lardman | but no I don't use that, otherwise I'd have a redundant pipeline | 02:37 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: well | 02:37 |
| lcuk | didnt use the viewfinder? | 02:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the baltimore in the device is near Washington, GA | 02:37 |
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| ShadowJK | hm.. Xv performance seems kinda poor :/ | 02:39 |
| lcuk | rly | 02:39 |
| Flandry | ~seen pupnik | 02:39 |
| lcuk | i find it astonishingly amazing | 02:39 |
| infobot | pupnik <n=pupnik@unaffiliated/pupnik> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 5m 43s ago, saying: 'sorry maemo'. | 02:39 |
| Flandry | oO | 02:39 |
| ShadowJK | mplayer performance seems to be about the same as on N810 at first look :) | 02:39 |
| * ShadowJK gets no sound either :D | 02:39 | |
| lcuk | thats different then | 02:40 |
| Flandry | the optimizations to ogg are incredible though | 02:40 |
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| zerojay | aSIMULAter: wb | 02:40 |
| ShadowJK | yeah but video_out was consuming more CPU than video_decode :) | 02:40 |
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| Flandry | >= mpeg now | 02:40 |
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| Flandry | oh well bandwidth is a big issue | 02:41 |
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| aSIMULAter | hihi | 02:44 |
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| * Flandry kicks autobuilder | 02:45 | |
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| * Proteous pats autobuildeer and says that it will be alright | 02:46 | |
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| Flandry | you have no idea how to maintain a server ;) | 02:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: hey | 02:48 |
| timeless_mbp | please try the latest version :) | 02:48 |
| lardman | night all | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, and if you've reflashed recently, there's only one .install file these days | 02:49 |
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| aSIMULAter | ok ill flash it at work? | 02:49 |
| Flandry | goodnight lardman|gone | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | you were @bcn, no? | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | we're neighbors btw | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | we dropped two floors and moved lunchward one wing | 02:51 |
| aSIMULAter | oh really? hehe | 02:51 |
| aSIMULAter | what wing? | 02:51 |
| aSIMULAter | i'm going ot barcelona on thurs | 02:51 |
| aSIMULAter | at nrc today adn wed | 02:51 |
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| aSIMULAter | oh yeah tha'ts right i think jaakko was telling me about u guys moving | 02:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How're we getting from the airport to the hotel, by the way? | 02:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Taxi? | 02:57 |
| aSIMULAter | i dunno how we are | 02:58 |
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| aSIMULAter | i'm guessing we're all goign to hold hands and skip | 02:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sounds fun | 02:59 |
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| el_zilcho | haha, oh jeez... libiw30 is installed... but i've got no iw* apps... specifically iwlist and such... my /etc/network/interfaces has lo, eth0 as dhcp, usb0 is being set statically.... then i ifconfig it and it looks like we've got lo, phonet0, wlan0, and wmaster0 links currently up... | 03:00 |
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| el_zilcho | wlan and wmaster have no transfer, with < 2kb on phonet0 | 03:00 |
| el_zilcho | guess i'll see if i can track down my wireless tools in a deb | 03:01 |
| zerojay | aSIMULAter: Any idea if there are more of these events coming in the future? | 03:02 |
| crashanddie | o/ zerojay | 03:03 |
| aSIMULAter | let's hope there are! | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope, zerojay, last one forever and always. | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry. | 03:04 |
| zerojay | bah | 03:06 |
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| aSIMULAter | nite guys | 03:07 |
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| zerojay | bye bye | 03:08 |
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| jaem | morning | 03:12 |
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| ShadowJK | hm... still can't get any sound out of mplayer :/ | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh. | 03:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Silly mistake #4 | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Wonder why it's not taking picture, keep holding down 'shutter' button. Wonder why device turns off. | 03:16 |
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| ShadowJK | oh, if I set profile to general, I get sound | 03:19 |
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| ShadowJK | but not consistently... | 03:21 |
| ShadowJK | :/ | 03:21 |
| ShadowJK | ah nevermind | 03:22 |
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| Flandry | lol | 03:28 |
| ShadowJK | ugh, compiling mplayer for arm is a minefield of compiler crashes :-) | 03:28 |
| derf | 4.2.1 was a particularly bad version of gcc. | 03:28 |
| Flandry | isn't there already a source package? | 03:28 |
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| Flandry | which groups is the N900 user a member of? | 03:29 |
| ShadowJK | i want to compile a newer mplayer | 03:30 |
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| ShadowJK | with a compiler that does neon | 03:30 |
| qole | ShadowJK, yes please! | 03:31 |
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| * ShadowJK realizes he's using diablo4 sdk | 03:32 | |
| ShadowJK | mwhahahaha | 03:32 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Will the main OS2008 apps ever be updated, or just wait for stable Mer? | 03:32 |
| ShadowJK | faad seems to miscompile :/ | 03:33 |
| dmj7261 | zaheerm: thanks for porting zope and twisted. They're exactly what I needed. | 03:33 |
| qole | ShadowJK, we really need a Fremantle version of mplayer that is optified and optimised | 03:33 |
| dmj7261 | Dosage now works on the command line | 03:33 |
| ShadowJK | qole, the optimized part is going to be hard, I don't think the buildhosts's compiler is new enough? | 03:33 |
| ShadowJK | atleast someone on talk said something like that | 03:33 |
| ShadowJK | have fun building gcc just for mplayer :-) | 03:33 |
| qole | yes that's what the VLC maintainer said too | 03:34 |
| qole | at least optified and set to fullscreen by default, then | 03:35 |
| ShadowJK | no way to push binaries to extras? | 03:36 |
| qole | extras non-free | 03:36 |
| ShadowJK | what about sneaking gcc binaries in the source package | 03:37 |
| qole | at least in Diablo you could do an end-run around the autobuilder by uploading to non-free | 03:37 |
| qole | yes, you can upload "source" packages with pre-compiled binaries, too. | 03:38 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, faad fixed-point is broken... floating point seems fine | 03:38 |
| ShadowJK | but the floating point version is consuming 70% decoding time :-) | 03:38 |
| qole | maybe pre-compile the minimum and let the autobuilder do the rest? | 03:39 |
| qole | or is the core binary the problem here? | 03:39 |
| ShadowJK | Well 4.3Megs out of the 7-9 meg binary or whatever.. | 03:40 |
| derf | gcc on ARM needs some serious work. | 03:41 |
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| Macer | lol | 03:41 |
| crashanddie | derf: just take the lead | 03:41 |
| el_zilcho | Anyone mind taking a look at a dmesg dump quick and seeing if anything near the end might explain why i'm not able to see an open, broadcasting access point? http://pastebin.ca/1695032 | 03:41 |
| derf | Go get them to fix some of their bugs: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40893 http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40887 | 03:41 |
| povbot | Bug 40893: was not found. | 03:41 |
| povbot | Bug 40887: was not found. | 03:41 |
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| el_zilcho | i got it earlier today, haven't really been able to do much with no network connectivity | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | el_zilcho: doesn't contain anything | 03:42 |
| el_zilcho | i see a lot of ubifs errors which i assume are entirely unrelated | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | el_zilcho: can you see other access points? | 03:43 |
| el_zilcho | yeah, at work earlier i could iwlist and see the ap there | 03:43 |
| el_zilcho | but nothing in the connections menu, | 03:43 |
| el_zilcho | i've looked a few places now and don't see anything meaningful to me | 03:43 |
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| el_zilcho | on the phone... | 03:44 |
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| el_zilcho | and i apparently don't have any wireless tools even those the only package i saw was installed | 03:44 |
| crashanddie | el_zilcho: possible scenarios: too much noise on the specific channel (other access points on the same channel, which are overpowering the access point you are trying to connect to), access point is broken (in the way that only a broken receiver could read it), etc | 03:44 |
| crashanddie | try rebooting AP, or changing settings/frequency | 03:44 |
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| el_zilcho | i'd say its more likely the handset's hardware is dead since i've tried both work and home routers | 03:45 |
| el_zilcho | but i'd expect to see some errors somewhere | 03:45 |
| Flandry | it's hard to test the package installation when scratchbox doesn't really have root access | 03:47 |
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| Flandry | i guess it's just my user | 03:48 |
| el_zilcho | i'll try changing the channel though, i guess everything is worth trying at this point | 03:48 |
| crashanddie | Flandry: fakeroot? | 03:48 |
| crashanddie | el_zilcho: i've never seen a device where only wifi would break | 03:48 |
| el_zilcho | if wifi didn't work, what else would you expect to see nonfunctioning? | 03:49 |
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| Flandry | fakeroot doesn't actually let you change some things, but it looks like dpkg runs with root anyway | 03:49 |
| crashanddie | tno | 03:51 |
| el_zilcho | my understanding is my buddy took his out of the box, turned it on, and the menu by the clock that allows you to get into connections came up, showed essids, he chose and away he flew... i don't seem to be able to even make it see a single router... i don't know how else to explain the issue without presumind possible hardware defect | 03:51 |
| crashanddie | el_zilcho: interesting, I suppose you've tried rebooting it and all? | 03:52 |
| crashanddie | el_zilcho: do you and your buddy have the same software version on the phones? | 03:52 |
| el_zilcho | multiple locations, multiple routers, multiple reboots of all involved electronics | 03:52 |
| el_zilcho | yeah | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | el_zilcho, have you reflashed? | 03:53 |
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| el_zilcho | i'm running umm... 24.11 or the dyslexic version of that | 03:53 |
| el_zilcho | whichever is proper | 03:53 |
| crashanddie | 54.11? | 03:53 |
| el_zilcho | i guess i will if you think that's my last chance | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | 42-11 | 03:53 |
| DrNoboto | sup el_zilcho | 03:53 |
| el_zilcho | 1.2009.42-11.002 | 03:53 |
| crashanddie | el_zilcho: I'm guessing that with the whole no-wifi thing, you didn't really do a lot with the device | 03:53 |
| crashanddie | el_zilcho: so flashing it won't hurt your data at all | 03:54 |
| crashanddie | el_zilcho: it's a long shot, but worth the try, as you said | 03:54 |
| el_zilcho | not worried about data, but if its a last ditch effort... maemo.org has those images? | 03:54 |
| DrNoboto | can someone just tell me how to install nano or pico? | 03:54 |
| crashanddie | el_zilcho: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:55 |
| DrNoboto | nothing is in these repositories | 03:55 |
| DrNoboto | not even irssi | 03:55 |
| DrNoboto | :( | 03:55 |
| el_zilcho | ty | 03:55 |
| qole | el_zilcho, I agree with crashanddie, a good reflash couldn't hurt | 03:55 |
| crashanddie | DrNoboto: which repositories? | 03:55 |
| crashanddie | qole: we're in the same timezone! | 03:55 |
| DrNoboto | nokia applications, nokia system software updates, maemo extras, extras testing | 03:56 |
| qole | Really! Cool! Almost 6pm. | 03:56 |
| DrNoboto | cool, i'm in that timezone too | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | qole: I'm in California for a few weeks :) | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | qole: walk down and have a beer! | 03:56 |
| qole | Almost home too, the next bus stop. | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | DrNoboto: where abouts? | 03:57 |
| DrNoboto | LA | 03:57 |
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| crashanddie | cool | 03:57 |
| qole | crashanddie, too far to walk, but definitely somewhere I'm thinking about vacationing next spring. | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | I'll probably go down to LA for the weekend | 03:57 |
| ShadowJK | hm.. and qemu seems to segfault on binaries that have neon.. | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | qole: but I won't be here next spring! I'm here now! | 03:57 |
| DrNoboto | heh | 03:57 |
| * ShadowJK gives up :-) | 03:58 | |
| qole | crashanddie, if I were a developer, I could go to that Nokia dev thing | 03:58 |
| crashanddie | qole: if I'm all setup and have enough room, I'm offering you a week at my place next spring! | 03:58 |
| DrNoboto | so is anyone here using irssi? | 03:59 |
| crashanddie | DrNoboto: ncurses is evil | 03:59 |
| DrNoboto | if i apt-get it, it's not found | 03:59 |
| DrNoboto | i'm evil | 03:59 |
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| qole | crashanddie, you moving there? | 03:59 |
| greenfly | DrNoboto: I'm using it, but not on the n900 | 04:00 |
| greenfly | DrNoboto: sshing into a server that's running it in a screen session | 04:00 |
| DrNoboto | i'm using it too but not on my n900 | 04:00 |
| crashanddie | qole: yup | 04:00 |
| DrNoboto | that's the problem : / | 04:00 |
| qole | xchat ftw | 04:00 |
| crashanddie | qole: if "there" is Re: the PM I sent | 04:00 |
| DrNoboto | yeah, i might do that at some point | 04:00 |
| greenfly | DrNoboto: you should, it's way better to just connect to a persistent screen session | 04:00 |
| el_zilcho | reading the EUSA on the flasher... isn't that basically going to put me in a position of not being able to return this phone for a replacement? | 04:00 |
| DrNoboto | greenfly: i know | 04:00 |
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| DrNoboto | i'm well aware of the virtues of that system | 04:00 |
| DrNoboto | : ) | 04:00 |
| el_zilcho | "By accepting | 04:01 |
| el_zilcho | the following License Agreement you also agree to use this software at | 04:01 |
| el_zilcho | your own risk and accept that Nokia assumes no liability and does not | 04:01 |
| el_zilcho | provide any warranties, support or services related to the software. | 04:01 |
| DrNoboto | but the firewall that my shell is behind is acting weird | 04:01 |
| DrNoboto | i'm actually sshed into it right now | 04:01 |
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| DrNoboto | but i'm behind that firewall | 04:01 |
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| el_zilcho | so basically, i flash it, i probably can't send it back, which would be completely bunk | 04:01 |
| qole | crashanddie, definitely NOT my time zone! | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | el_zilcho, no. | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | el_zilcho, the flasher does not void the warranty. | 04:03 |
| DrNoboto | well i guess i should just fix that firewall issue then shouldn't i | 04:03 |
| el_zilcho | ok, i'll take your word for it | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | el_zilcho, what that sentence is telling you is that they do not warranty the flasher. | 04:04 |
| DrNoboto | if you brick it, you can just send it to me | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Read it again more carefully. | 04:04 |
| DrNoboto | nice | 04:05 |
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| el_zilcho | well, its the Nokia assumes no liability thing that gets me | 04:05 |
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| el_zilcho | not necessarily the warranty part | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | If the flasher blows up your computer, they're not going to pay to fix it. | 04:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Trust me, the flasher isn't going to void your N900's warranty. | 04:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, I've never once seen it fail. | 04:06 |
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| ShadowJK | hm | 04:11 |
| * ShadowJK wonders what else supports advanced substation alpha subtitles in mkv files | 04:11 | |
| pwnguin | when did maemo.org get a beta tag? | 04:12 |
| paroneayea | hello all | 04:14 |
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| paroneayea | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture | 04:15 |
| paroneayea | anyone have any links to what "SSO" refers to in that diagram? | 04:15 |
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| pwnguin | single sign on? | 04:15 |
| paroneayea | well so I assumed :) | 04:16 |
| paroneayea | trying to find details on that package | 04:16 |
| pwnguin | lemme look at the picture | 04:16 |
| Flandry | is plugdev one of the groups that N900 user is in by default? | 04:16 |
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| pwnguin | paroneayea: "the components in red are proprietary components" | 04:17 |
| paroneayea | pwnguin: right | 04:17 |
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| paroneayea | I'm compiling a list of nonfree components and what's necessary to replace them | 04:17 |
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| pwnguin | isnt there already a list of nonfree on te wiki? | 04:18 |
| paroneayea | so I'm trying to gather info on that, but it's the one piece I can't find any data on | 04:18 |
| paroneayea | yeah but it's a bit outdated it seems. I'm also looking to update that list | 04:18 |
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| Flandry | just need to know the groups a user is in on N900. 10 seconds of someone's time, please. | 04:18 |
| pwnguin | Flandry: if i had one, i'd tell you | 04:19 |
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| greenfly | Flandry: as the user type "groups" | 04:19 |
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| Flandry | i don't have an n900 | 04:19 |
| Flandry | or i would :) | 04:19 |
| asidjazz | who here has n900 with tmo 3g i cant get it to work | 04:19 |
| lcuk | -shL groups not found | 04:20 |
| paroneayea | Flandry: dialout, audio, video, pulse-access | 04:20 |
| Flandry | :o | 04:20 |
| greenfly | bah, will have to check /etc/group | 04:20 |
| asidjazz | im at a tmo store is there special instructiins after putting the sim in | 04:20 |
| lcuk | i have 3g, and talk.maemo.org works | 04:20 |
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| paroneayea | and users | 04:20 |
| asidjazz | lcuk tmo? | 04:20 |
| asidjazz | howd u get it to work | 04:20 |
| lcuk | thats what you asked | 04:20 |
| paroneayea | Flandry: ^^^ | 04:20 |
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| Flandry | thanks | 04:20 |
| paroneayea | np | 04:21 |
| el_zilcho | so this flasher... there's i386 .deb version that won't cooperate with me, an exe that doesn't work under wine, and i'm starting to feel like i should just initiate my RMA | 04:21 |
| lcuk | Flandry, if theres another route ask quickly im beddin in 5 | 04:21 |
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| el_zilcho | hehe | 04:21 |
| asidjazz | lcuk im bootin it with tmo sim cards its not workin | 04:21 |
| asidjazz | lcuk wait :) | 04:21 |
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| Flandry | i have no idea if groups doesn't work | 04:21 |
| lcuk | you need cards to use talk.maemo.org? | 04:22 |
| asidjazz | lcuk is there special settings i habe to do | 04:22 |
| asidjazz | lcuk i searched couldnt find instructions | 04:22 |
| Flandry | there's a group called users though paroneayea? | 04:22 |
| paroneayea | Flandry: yes, and a user is in it by default | 04:22 |
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| Flandry | ok, that one will do | 04:23 |
| Flandry | thanks so much | 04:23 |
| el_zilcho | asidjazz: is the implication of your statement that it has worked with other sim cards? or did i read into it? | 04:23 |
| asidjazz | it works with at&t sim as edge | 04:24 |
| asidjazz | tmo sims theres no internet | 04:24 |
| asidjazz | edge or 3g | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | asidjazz, did you change the operator? | 04:24 |
| lcuk | go lookup tmobiles website settings | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's probably still got AT&T settings | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no, rerun the operator setup wizard | 04:25 |
| lcuk | i had to manually enter settings for my o2 sim earlier | 04:25 |
| lcuk | ahh cool | 04:25 |
| lcuk | so thats feasible now | 04:25 |
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| asidjazz | im with tmo reps there no settings or docs for n900 | 04:26 |
| asidjazz | general where is that found | 04:26 |
| asidjazz | well k go to conn settings and it says internet2.voicestream.com | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Control panel | 04:27 |
| asidjazz | settings? | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Find the internet connections control panel | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Settings, yeah. | 04:27 |
| asidjazz | k then what | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Delete the AT&T one and create a new one | 04:28 |
| asidjazz | cant delte it | 04:28 |
| paroneayea | how's it goin GeneralAntilles | 04:29 |
| asidjazz | trying again brb | 04:29 |
| pwnguin | paroneayea: if you publish or finish the list, do give me a /msg | 04:29 |
| paroneayea | pwnguin: ok, will do | 04:30 |
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| pwnguin | paroneayea: maybe it's actually OSSO? | 04:31 |
| pwnguin | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/libosso-rtcom-accounts/ | 04:31 |
| paroneayea | osso seems to be a pretty generic name in here, stands for "Open Source Software Operations" afaict | 04:32 |
| paroneayea | so I think osso is a department inside of nokia | 04:32 |
| paroneayea | but the osso- package is on some proprietary packages so the term "open source" on there is kind of weird | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | A long time ago | 04:33 |
| paroneayea | GeneralAntilles: oh? | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now it's Maemo Devices | 04:33 |
| paroneayea | aha | 04:33 |
| paroneayea | so the packaging name of osso- is legacy? | 04:33 |
| paroneayea | legacy naming convention :) | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 04:33 |
| paroneayea | GeneralAntilles: noted, thanks | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sadly we sometimes still get new packages with it, however. <_< | 04:34 |
| paroneayea | GeneralAntilles: do you work for nokia or are you an enthusiast only? | 04:34 |
| pwnguin | interesting | 04:34 |
| pwnguin | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libosso-dev | 04:34 |
| paroneayea | I see you answering a lot of questions on here | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | paroneayea, enthusiast | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | paroneayea, served on the council for two terms. | 04:34 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles is zerojay-certified. | 04:35 |
| paroneayea | GeneralAntilles: cool | 04:35 |
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| pwnguin | does fennec support addons? | 04:36 |
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| Flandry | it should, it has xulrunner | 04:37 |
| pwnguin | arg. once again, mozilla's wiki contains conflicting information on the subject | 04:37 |
| Flandry | afaki | 04:37 |
| pwnguin | one page says addons are disabled | 04:37 |
| pwnguin | another has clear "install weave on n810" instructions | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, older versions had addons disabled | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it was recently enabled. | 04:39 |
| pwnguin | i swear, someone needs to chat with mozilla about how wikis have revision history | 04:39 |
| pwnguin | maybe they could fund some wiki development to support tagged revisions; "this set of pages are related to version 1.0" | 04:40 |
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| Sargun_Screen | im talking to you from my n900 | 04:55 |
| Sargun_Screen | weee | 04:55 |
| yuizy | :) | 04:55 |
| derf | So why does gcc.specs include -fno-optimize-sibling-calls? | 04:58 |
| Sargun_Screen | hey | 05:00 |
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| Sargun_Screen | hm, my tmobile sim doesn't work for data. | 05:08 |
| Sargun_Screen | it's a prepaid sim | 05:08 |
| simula_ | do they make prepaid data sims? | 05:09 |
| Sargun_Screen | it worked in my other phone(s) | 05:10 |
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| pwnguin | Sargun_Screen: what were the other phones? | 05:13 |
| Sargun_Screen | openmoko neo | 05:13 |
| pwnguin | the prepaid data plan is fairly cheap from what i hear, and restricted to dumbphones/ | 05:13 |
| pwnguin | ? | 05:13 |
| Sargun_Screen | i had to manually set the p | 05:13 |
| Sargun_Screen | apn | 05:14 |
| pwnguin | so it works? | 05:14 |
| Sargun_Screen | no | 05:14 |
| Sargun_Screen | hm, how do i set the apn on here? | 05:14 |
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| ShadowJK | that's a goof questoon | 05:15 |
| DangerMaus | heh | 05:16 |
| Sargun_Screen | alright, class now, buysy | 05:16 |
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| Flandry | Is there some direct connection between changelogs and bugtracker yet, as in Fixes: MB#NNNN? | 05:31 |
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| DangerMaus | Good news! Your order xxxxxx was sent on 30.11.2009 | 06:06 |
| DangerMaus | :) | 06:06 |
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| DangerMaus | OMG if all goes well i'll have it tomarrow! | 06:08 |
| Xisdibik | DangerMaus: nice! i got mine today :D | 06:12 |
| DangerMaus | ordered outta shop.nokia (usa) bout midnight | 06:13 |
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| DangerMaus | Xisdibik, i should get it tomarrow | 06:14 |
| Xisdibik | nice :D | 06:14 |
| DangerMaus | man dont update there system till like 22:30EST | 06:15 |
| Xisdibik | why? | 06:17 |
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| hardaker2 | Well, do *not* let your n900 time out security wise while it's mounted. crashed my main linux machine. | 06:24 |
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| microlith | man, nokia usa makes me rage | 06:25 |
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| microlith | DangerMaus: when did you place your order? | 06:27 |
| hardaker2 | microlith: their support absolutely sucked. | 06:27 |
| microlith | hardaker2: I know this | 06:27 |
| hardaker2 | my favorite line was when they told me "oh yeah... your phone is ready to go. we're just waiting for fedex to pick it up" | 06:28 |
| hardaker2 | then two days later got the *same* response. | 06:28 |
| microlith | oh you got that far at least | 06:28 |
| hardaker2 | I told them "um, I know fedex pretty well and if it was ready 2 days ago they would have picked it up 2 days ago!" | 06:28 |
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| microlith | they hit a fraud denial with my CC, and every attempt to re-order was rejected | 06:28 |
| hardaker2 | yep. they got that with me too. | 06:29 |
| hardaker2 | eventually it stopped though. | 06:29 |
| hardaker2 | very annoying. | 06:29 |
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| microlith | I'm debating cancelling my newegg order and trying nokia one more time | 06:29 |
| microlith | in the hopes it works | 06:29 |
| paroneayea | http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/FreeMaemo | 06:30 |
| paroneayea | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/double_checking_free-nonfree_packages/ | 06:30 |
| paroneayea | pwnguin: ^^ | 06:30 |
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| DangerMaus | microlith, i placed the order today bout 10m after midnight when my direct deposit finnaly went it | 06:34 |
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| DangerMaus | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/double_checking_free-nonfree_packages/ | 06:35 |
| DangerMaus | microlith, i did also take the 1-3days shipping | 06:36 |
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| DangerMaus | oops | 06:36 |
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| DangerMaus | gotta love the winders clippboard | 06:37 |
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| easydebian | anyone know why i can't install dmsetup? | 06:38 |
| easydebian | i get the error rm: cannot remove '/etc/udev/rules.d/65_dmsetup.rules': No such file or directory | 06:38 |
| microlith | DangerMaus: huh | 06:39 |
| microlith | their system is so screwed | 06:39 |
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| DangerMaus | what they cancell you? | 06:40 |
| microlith | they got caught by my CC's anti-fraud stuff | 06:40 |
| microlith | and apparently even that will lock you out of their system for an undefined amount of time | 06:41 |
| microlith | (whereas newegg allowed me to instantly re-order) | 06:41 |
| DangerMaus | it took me 3 tres to get my cc info correst | 06:41 |
| easydebian | i need to update easy-chroot, but this error has blocked the upgrade | 06:41 |
| DangerMaus | and i thought newegg was tough | 06:41 |
| DangerMaus | man | 06:41 |
| easydebian | anyone have any ideas? | 06:41 |
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| DangerMaus | microlith, like my card has a few addys attached to it ands usualy i can leave either as the billing addy but not at nokia had to use my home addy for billing even though the addy im at atm is the true addy | 06:44 |
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| DangerMaus | for billing | 06:45 |
| RXrenesis81 | we got hachi and hydrox | 06:45 |
| RXrenesis81 | code names! | 06:45 |
| RXrenesis81 | for code people... | 06:45 |
| easydebian | anyone have any ideas? | 06:45 |
| easydebian | this is the right channel to ask, right? | 06:46 |
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| cehteh | mhm | 06:48 |
| easydebian | awesome; now i wonder if anyone is awake :) | 06:48 |
| cehteh | :) | 06:48 |
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| cehteh | i seen a package for dmsetup do you use that? | 06:48 |
| cehteh | and real hardware of course, not SDK | 06:49 |
| easydebian | i need to update easy-chroot, but this error has blocked the upgrade | 06:49 |
| cehteh | .o(and no, i dont have a n900) | 06:49 |
| easydebian | easy-chroot now depends on dmsetup (didn't in the past) | 06:49 |
| cehteh | dmsetup needs hardware/kernel access, so wont work on the sdk | 06:49 |
| easydebian | i am using thne n810 | 06:49 |
| cehteh | ah ok | 06:50 |
| cehteh | well dunno then, maybe packaging bug? | 06:50 |
| cehteh | try to workaround that bug | 06:50 |
| easydebian | i bet it is; no one else has reported it | 06:50 |
| easydebian | i tried several work arounds | 06:50 |
| easydebian | but couldn't find the *.deb for it | 06:50 |
| cehteh | touch /etc/udev/rules.d/65_dmsetup.rules | 06:50 |
| cehteh | well i dunno what exactly happens there | 06:51 |
| easydebian | trying that cmd | 06:51 |
| cehteh | that would just satisfy the rm command not to fail | 06:51 |
| easydebian | thanks, that fixed it | 06:52 |
| easydebian | is that the same as sudo nano that file? | 06:52 |
| easydebian | (to create it) | 06:53 |
| cehteh | yes | 06:53 |
| cehteh | or echo >filename | 06:53 |
| cehteh | whatever :) | 06:53 |
| easydebian | i only know the nano, but the touch worked grat | 06:53 |
| easydebian | *great (the n810 keyboard) | 06:53 |
| easydebian | thznks again cehteh | 06:54 |
| cehteh | np | 06:54 |
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| easydebian | cehteh: i posted the workaround here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=402103 | 07:13 |
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| DangerMaus | yay fixed | 07:21 |
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| cehteh | has the n900 a tmpfs mounted somewhere? | 07:24 |
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| ShadowJK | /tmp /var/run | 07:27 |
| ShadowJK | /dev/shm | 07:28 |
| cehteh | nice | 07:28 |
| cehteh | thanks | 07:28 |
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| dmj7261 | hi cehteh | 07:34 |
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| cehteh | hi dmj7261 | 07:35 |
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| dmj7261 | I've been writing a webcomic app to familiarize myself with maemo | 07:35 |
| dmj7261 | been doing horrible things to Randall Munroe's servers. :P | 07:36 |
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| cehteh | haha | 07:37 |
| cehteh | i bet he needs soem fat loadbalancers and a server farm just because many people try so :P | 07:37 |
| dmj7261 | yeah | 07:38 |
| cehteh | what language/libs do you use? | 07:38 |
| dmj7261 | I've probably scraped his archive about three times so far | 07:38 |
| dmj7261 | mostly python | 07:38 |
| cehteh | makes sense for such a thing | 07:39 |
| cehteh | and i guess there is no 'xsetroot' on maemo | 07:39 |
| dmj7261 | I glued my python gui to the python cli app with this kludge: os.system('python2.5 mainline xkcd -c &') | 07:39 |
| arachnist | xkcd ++ | 07:39 |
| arachnist | dmj7261: that lookes ugly | 07:40 |
| DangerMaus | mainlining xkcd :) | 07:40 |
| cehteh | i am going over my C/C++ debuggin lib sometime next, i give it a try to port it to maemo too | 07:40 |
| arachnist | almoast as bad as perl scripts launching sed and grep in system() | 07:41 |
| dmj7261 | yeah...I just took a GPLed command line webcomic scraper written in python and use it as my backend | 07:41 |
| arachnist | (as i've seen some leftovers after one of the old admins) | 07:41 |
| cehteh | wget :P | 07:41 |
| cehteh | awk | 07:41 |
| dmj7261 | the one nice thing about that ugly line of code is that it decouples the downloading process from the gui | 07:42 |
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| cehteh | uhm | 07:43 |
| cehteh | in some extra ugly way :P | 07:43 |
| dmj7261 | yeah | 07:44 |
| dmj7261 | I'll fix it better later | 07:44 |
| dmj7261 | You don't want to picture what it does without the & | 07:44 |
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| cehteh | system() always calls a intermediate shell .. so be careful about its security implications | 07:46 |
| dmj7261 | I think I've found why people are complaining about the kinetic scrolling | 07:46 |
| dmj7261 | security implications? | 07:46 |
| Sargun | It requires that I changed it to a side kick plan | 07:47 |
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| cehteh | yeah using the accelerometer for scrolling would be fun | 07:48 |
| dmj7261 | I'm attempting to scroll through the xkcd archive | 07:48 |
| dmj7261 | It's taken at least ten minutes so far | 07:50 |
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| Klowner | my N900 should arrive tomorrowwww! = | 07:52 |
| * Klowner spins in circles while screaming | 07:52 | |
| cehteh | 8D | 07:53 |
| DangerMaus | join me Klowner mini too tomarrow | 07:53 |
| DangerMaus | mine | 07:53 |
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| cehteh | well.. you are the test bunnies, do well weeding out all bugs until mine arrives :P | 07:53 |
| Klowner | DangerMaus: I ordered from NokiaUSA this morning, shipped tonight | 07:54 |
| cehteh | paying premium for being alpha tester ... G | 07:54 |
| DangerMaus | aslong as its not the reboot one | 07:54 |
| DangerMaus | Klowner, me2 | 07:54 |
| PolarFox | I don't know when my N900 will arrive.. :( It's a race with N900 on the other side and the Maemo-SDK with ESBox on the other side.. :) I think N900 will win :) | 07:54 |
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| DangerMaus | crap i dont even have a linux box with me | 07:56 |
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| dmj7261 | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/subjectivity.png | 08:04 |
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| dmj7261 | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/subjectivity.png | 08:04 |
| DangerMaus | werks | 08:05 |
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| dmj7261 | that's 255 by the way | 08:06 |
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| Sargun | echo 10 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness | 08:07 |
| Sargun | hm | 08:07 |
| Sargun | wtf | 08:07 |
| cehteh | glowing vibrator? :) | 08:08 |
| Sargun | it works | 08:08 |
| sulx | dont you have one? | 08:08 |
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| Xisdibik | is timeless sleeping like he should be? | 08:08 |
| Sargun | sulx, have one what? | 08:08 |
| sulx | glowing vibrator | 08:08 |
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| t_s_o | mind > gutter | 08:09 |
| RST38h | a killer feature | 08:09 |
| Klowner | glowing vibrator? is that like the sparkly Twilight vibrators? | 08:09 |
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| Xisdibik | New Moon vibrator sounds like | 08:10 |
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| Sargun | RST38h, a vibrator | 08:10 |
| Klowner | Xisdibik: they make those, I saw it on youtube | 08:12 |
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| Xisdibik | Klowner: please no links, the thought alone gives me nightmares | 08:13 |
| Sargun | God, Tmobile sucks | 08:14 |
| Klowner | lol | 08:14 |
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| Xisdibik | whats wrong Sargun | 08:14 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: IIRC, you were anti-MIPS to some degree... what makes ARM better than MIPS? from what I've seen, ARM uses 4x the power than MIPS does in practice | 08:14 |
| Sargun | Xisdibik, can't get roaming data | 08:15 |
| Sargun | s/roaming/prepaid/ | 08:15 |
| infobot | Sargun meant: Xisdibik, can't get prepaid data | 08:15 |
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| * Klowner stares in awe at infobot | 08:15 | |
| * Xisdibik stares in awe at Klowner | 08:16 | |
| * DangerMaus finds his giant cartoon mallet | 08:18 | |
| Klowner | the combination of having 3 pints at the local tweetup and my N900's shipping status has made me giddy | 08:18 |
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| DangerMaus | been there since 9:30 CST Klowner | 08:19 |
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| DangerMaus | without the tweetup | 08:20 |
| * DangerMaus feels sorry for the peeps with 900's stuck in newegg/amazon limbo | 08:20 | |
| Klowner | I had an amazon pre-order since Nov 6th | 08:23 |
| DangerMaus | ouch | 08:23 |
| Klowner | pre-orders seem to be mid-October, so I figured I'd risk it and order a second through NokiaUSA | 08:23 |
| DangerMaus | yours ship outta indy? | 08:23 |
| Klowner | shipped tonight, so I quick canceled my amazon | 08:23 |
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| Klowner | mmmm yep | 08:24 |
| Klowner | 10:06pm arrived at fedex location in Indianapolis | 08:24 |
| DangerMaus | im in chicago for a few days it'll get here b4 i leave | 08:25 |
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| Klowner | dandy, I'm in the Quad Cities | 08:25 |
| DangerMaus | heh | 08:25 |
| DangerMaus | too bad bout the tax but who cares 'll have it | 08:26 |
| Klowner | yea | 08:26 |
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| DangerMaus | i thought about going down to the flagship yesterday | 08:26 |
| DangerMaus | in chicago | 08:26 |
| DangerMaus | but figged they would be out by then | 08:27 |
| Xisdibik | Klowner you ordered in oct and didnt get yours yet from Amazon? | 08:27 |
| Xisdibik | oh since nov 6 | 08:27 |
| Xisdibik | no wonder | 08:27 |
| Xisdibik | i got mine today from amazon and ordered Sept 19th | 08:27 |
| DangerMaus | yiokes | 08:27 |
| DangerMaus | yikes | 08:27 |
| Klowner | Xisdibik: yaa | 08:27 |
| Klowner | I ended up paying like $60 more, but I'll get it before.. frickin February | 08:28 |
| DangerMaus | yepyep exectly | 08:28 |
| DangerMaus | if i didnt see it moving within 3 days i would of just prob canceled and waited or tried it from buy.com | 08:29 |
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| Xisdibik | so to get MSN and AIM and Yahoo etc on my n900, i have to install pidgin, or can i install certain protocols to just link in with conversations app? | 08:30 |
| Xisdibik | (i actualy got MSN with the accounts-telepathy-haze or w/e thingy | 08:30 |
| Xisdibik | but not AIM / yahoo | 08:30 |
| greenfly | Xisdibik: there's telepathy packages that add extra protocols | 08:30 |
| greenfly | should even be a metapackage that pulls all of 'em | 08:31 |
| Xisdibik | greenfly: i couldnt find anything unless its (*checks*) | 08:32 |
| Xisdibik | i didnt see telepathy on the loist | 08:33 |
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| Xisdibik | list* | 08:33 |
| Xisdibik | except the haze thing for MSN | 08:33 |
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| greenfly | Xisdibik: search for different account-plugin packages | 08:36 |
| Xisdibik | just idle, and salut | 08:36 |
| Xisdibik | is it in devel or something? | 08:37 |
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| greenfly | haze should add pidgin support | 08:37 |
| greenfly | Xisdibik: it could be but I didn't think it was | 08:37 |
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| Xisdibik | any way i can check without adding -devel? | 08:38 |
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| greenfly | Xisdibik: go to your settings and try to add a new account and see if AIM is available now | 08:40 |
| Xisdibik | nope | 08:41 |
| Xisdibik | Ovi, skype, Gtalk, Jabber, MSN and SIP | 08:41 |
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| luke-jr | did Nokia seriously just invent a new proprietary IM protocol?? | 08:42 |
| Xisdibik | luke-jr: dunno, did they? ;) | 08:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: i do sleep for a bit.. | 08:42 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: ^^ good morning? or are you going to sleep more? | 08:43 |
| luke-jr | Xisdibik: you just listed "Ovi" as one..? | 08:43 |
| L0cutus | re | 08:43 |
| Xisdibik | luke-jr: it shows up in the accounts page for conversations | 08:43 |
| Xisdibik | luke-jr: i figured it was older than maemo 5? | 08:43 |
| luke-jr | Xisdibik: that's ... slightly disturbing | 08:43 |
| luke-jr | no, never seen it on my N810 | 08:44 |
| kirma | I've got the impression Gtalk is XMPP/Jabber, and it's listed separately on the device, obviously for users' delight | 08:44 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: maybe you can help me with my question? ;) | 08:44 |
| luke-jr | kirma: true | 08:44 |
| Xisdibik | kirma: ype | 08:44 |
| tekojo | luke-jr it's just xmpp, but if you want an Ovi account it's easy to create there | 08:44 |
| luke-jr | ah | 08:44 |
| luke-jr | ok | 08:44 |
| Xisdibik | tekojo: so same deal as gtalk then? | 08:44 |
| tekojo | Xisdibik yep, people talk of Gtalk, so less hassles | 08:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: thanks, dunno | 08:46 |
| Xisdibik | tekojo: do you know if the protocols for AIM/Yahoo are in extras-devel, since i cant seem to get them with extras/extras-testing | 08:46 |
| Xisdibik | or do i have to install pidgin to get them? | 08:46 |
| timeless_mbp | so um.. which of you guys are in .us? | 08:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i need someone w/ an n900 to heavily and meticulously test something for me | 08:47 |
| Xisdibik | i am timeless_mbp | 08:47 |
| Xisdibik | and i have an n900 | 08:47 |
| timeless_mbp | cool | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | Xisdibik: you are timeless_mbp? | 08:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | luke-jr++ | 08:51 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: have you upgraded engb1? | 08:51 |
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| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: engb1? | 08:52 |
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| Xisdibik | luke-jr: im not timeless_mbp | 08:53 |
| tekojo | Xisdibik yes, seem to be in devel | 08:53 |
| Lynoure | Yesterday I was inquiring after ESbox not finding hildonmm.h and gtkmm.h, I now think I should have everything needed installed in the scratchbox... is it possible ESbox is looking somewhere else? | 08:53 |
| Lynoure | Or what should I try? | 08:54 |
| tekojo | everything else in testing, no idea why | 08:54 |
| Xisdibik | haha, maybe the rest should be moved! ;) | 08:54 |
| Xisdibik | or rather the ones in devel should be moved | 08:54 |
| timeless_mbp | tekojo: the clock app is depressing | 08:56 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: just the map portion apparently | 08:57 |
| tekojo | timeless_mbp no the weather is depressing, the clock just presents us the fact that this time of the year is depressing | 08:58 |
| RST38h | Does Maemo SDL support SDL_ttf at all??? | 08:59 |
| Lynoure | Do I need to install some of the -dev packages to the host machine itself for esbox to find them? | 08:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | tekojo: open clock | 09:03 |
| timeless_mbp | find baltimore | 09:03 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock-notes.jpg | 09:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/wdb | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: I hereby declare you a pizza. | 09:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | i am not a number! | 09:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | what kind of number is a pizza? | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | no, you're a pizza. | 09:06 |
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| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: you seem clueful... any idea what I could try? | 09:08 |
| timeless_mbp | why didst thou dubbest me as pizza? | 09:08 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: you're assuming i'm paying attention instead of trying to literally rewrite the map | 09:09 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: pastebin your current error | 09:10 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't read your screen | 09:10 |
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| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: Unresolveld inclusion <hildonmm.h> | 09:12 |
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| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: Unresolved inclusion <gtkmm.h> | 09:12 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 09:12 |
| timeless_mbp | have you found mxr.maemo.org? | 09:12 |
| Lynoure | No idea how to check | 09:13 |
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| Lynoure | bus arriving, I'll have to go and recheck later. Sorry for the suddenness of this. | 09:13 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org | 09:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: roughly, you need to figure out who provides it | 09:15 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: I installed sdk with the nokia script and esbox with Getting started with maemo5 video instructions | 09:15 |
| timeless_mbp | my guess (randomly) would be gtkmm-dev | 09:15 |
| timeless_mbp | the fremantle xref does not have a gtkmm.h | 09:15 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: I thought I did, and installed those into the scratchbox | 09:15 |
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| Lynoure | hmm. I'll come back on my lunchbreak. Damn meetings. | 09:16 |
| timeless_mbp | in general, you need to do two things: | 09:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | 1. install foo-dev | 09:16 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. make sure pkgconfig --cflags foo works | 09:16 |
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| tigert | sigh | 09:21 |
| tigert | why does extras-devel fail for me all the time? | 09:21 |
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| lardman | morning all | 09:22 |
| timeless_mbp | tigert: to teach you patience | 09:23 |
| tigert | i has it :) | 09:25 |
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| tigert | "no hash entry in release file" | 09:25 |
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| tigert | anyone else seeing this? | 09:25 |
| Xisdibik | is there any way to load subtitles into the default media player for videos? | 09:26 |
| Chani | what can I use to #ifdef out code that's maemo-only? | 09:26 |
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| * tigert wonders if appmanager is broken in this build or if the repo is broken | 09:26 | |
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| tigert | Xisdibik: no | 09:26 |
| tigert | Xisdibik: install mplayer | 09:26 |
| tigert | it should do some sub stuff? | 09:26 |
| wrapster | os.system() call does not show anything on n900 but on scratchbox it works fine.. so had this doubt of whether I need to pipe it to something to get it up on the n900 screen as well? | 09:26 |
| wrapster | anyone has an idea? | 09:27 |
| lardman | Xisdibik: file a bug, I want that too | 09:27 |
| lardman | wrapster: what are you running in there? | 09:27 |
| Xisdibik | lardman: have you filed a bug already? | 09:27 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: gah | 09:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i so want to kill someone | 09:28 |
| timeless_mbp | tekojo: ping | 09:28 |
| wrapster | lardman: a few shell commands | 09:28 |
| timeless_mbp | please explain to me why i should distinguish between nokia software and third party software | 09:28 |
| lardman | Xisdibik: no, but I just stuck a movie + subtitles on my N900; check there's not one already mind you | 09:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | and, what actually counts as 'Nokia' software? | 09:28 |
| lardman | wrapster: they are not running? | 09:28 |
| wrapster | lardman: no.. irony is that they run perfectly on scratbox but none of the them run on n900's terminal | 09:29 |
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| lardman | wrapster: what are the commands? | 09:29 |
| lardman | you don't use /bin/bash by chance? | 09:29 |
| timeless_mbp | has anyone here ever seen the orange software updates notification? | 09:29 |
| lardman | yes | 09:29 |
| * Xisdibik hasnt | 09:29 | |
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| wrapster | lardman: any command... but for now.. may be this os.system('cat full_info.log |more') | 09:30 |
| timeless_mbp | lardman: have you ever seen it suggest 'Nokia Software'? | 09:30 |
| Flandry | i have | 09:30 |
| lardman | wrapster: strange, but ok, in that case I don't know | 09:30 |
| timeless_mbp | Flandry: what "Nokia Software" did it offer to update? | 09:30 |
| lardman | timeless_mbp: not sure I have, but then we've not had an OTA update have we | 09:30 |
| Flandry | only for m.o software | 09:30 |
| Flandry | extras rather :P | 09:31 |
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| * lardman has a sore throat :( | 09:31 | |
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| * lardman always misses those, so goes to look at it now | 09:31 | |
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| mece | visudo points to the wrong editor location in fremantle | 09:32 |
| Venomrush | does the N900 mail client support IMAP IDLE? | 09:32 |
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| Venomrush | for use with push mails | 09:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | Venomrush: ever heard of google? | 09:34 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Email_Options#IMAP_Idle_for_Push_Email | 09:34 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, google is evil. | 09:35 |
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| mece | wow.. yahoo search looks like google these days :D | 09:36 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: you mean it's evil in that it enables people to not seem as clueless as they are | 09:36 |
| lardman | subtitles are supported by gstreamer http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/tasks/gstreamer.html | 09:36 |
| lardman | so might be worth trying to compile that gst element and see if they magically appear :) | 09:37 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, you're talking about search engines, not google. | 09:37 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, although google does have a search engine that is pretty good. | 09:37 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=n900+imap+idle&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701 | 09:37 |
| timeless_mbp | efail | 09:37 |
| lardman | http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/0.10.5/gst-plugins-base-plugins/html/gst-plugins-base-plugins-plugin-subparse.html | 09:37 |
| lardman | so are we on version 0.10.4 or later I wonder? | 09:38 |
| Sargun | can I have multiple exchange accouns | 09:38 |
| timeless_mbp | Sargun: wanna practice using google | 09:38 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, How's that a fail? | 09:38 |
| Sargun | timeless_mbp, I don't like using google | 09:38 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: none of the top hits have anything about the n900's support for imap idle | 09:39 |
| timeless_mbp | they're mostly articles about competitor's imap idle support + an ad for the n900 | 09:39 |
| mece | except the one pointing here: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Email_Options | 09:39 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: yeah, for me that was #10 | 09:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | i typically give up after about 3 | 09:40 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, still, it's there, so not a fail imo. | 09:40 |
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| Flandry | yeah i don't have much luck searching for stuff on m.o | 09:40 |
| timeless_mbp | Flandry: you get one free 'loser was too lazy to search' | 09:40 |
| timeless_mbp | after that, you'll have to pay | 09:41 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, I'm not saying yahoo is as good as google, but it does wrok most of the time. | 09:41 |
| mece | not only does it wrok, it also works :) | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | well it doesn't rock! | 09:41 |
| Flandry | there's a difference between searching and not finding and not searching though | 09:41 |
| cehteh | modest makes me thinking about finally switching to gnus | 09:42 |
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| mece | is there a way to change where visudo looks for vi, or does one have to symlink to vi from the place it looks? | 09:42 |
| mece | Wohoo! Helena is released! | 09:44 |
| tigert | hmm | 09:44 |
| tigert | X-Fade: do you still know about the webstuff? | 09:44 |
| tigert | wow, lots of idling :) | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | x-fade may still be on holiday? | 09:44 |
| tigert | looks like extras-devel Release file was missing all the checksum stuff | 09:44 |
| tigert | yeah it seems so, 13 days idle | 09:45 |
| tigert | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/Release | 09:45 |
| tigert | so this now has the hash stuff | 09:45 |
| tigert | but when this failed in appmanager | 09:45 |
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| tigert | I opened it in browser and got just the "header" part in the beginning, ie, the file ended after the Date: line | 09:45 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 09:46 | |
| tigert | so nobody else has ever seen this? | 09:47 |
| Sargun | why is the exchange syncronization taking like | 09:47 |
| Sargun | 3 hrs | 09:47 |
| * Sargun aborts it | 09:47 | |
| timeless_mbp | Flandry: only one active MfE account at a time | 09:48 |
| Flandry | ? | 09:48 |
| Flandry | Think you got the wrong guy | 09:48 |
| Xisdibik | he does :) | 09:48 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, probably | 09:49 |
| Xisdibik | Sargun is who he ment | 09:49 |
| timeless_mbp | s/Flandry/Sargun/ ? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | tigert: suspect there's a update process that doesn't modify a local copy and then updting atomically | 09:49 |
| Sargun | :-( | 09:49 |
| timeless_mbp | Sargun: how should multiple accounts work? | 09:49 |
| tigert | Stskeeps: that came to my mind too | 09:49 |
| timeless_mbp | if i have a calendar entry in MfE-Nokia-MSExch2007 | 09:49 |
| timeless_mbp | and I add MfE-Google-GMail | 09:49 |
| timeless_mbp | should my calendar entry be added to that service too? | 09:50 |
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| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: (15min break) I do have libhildon-dev and libgtk-2.4-dev on both scratchbox targets. Do I need such things on the host as well? | 09:50 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: you should never need -dev packages on device | 09:50 |
| timeless_mbp | they're basically header files and linker object files | 09:50 |
| timeless_mbp | (archives technically, whatever) | 09:50 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: the header files is what I think I am missing... | 09:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: i don't think the gtkmm file is a standard part of gtk | 09:51 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: So I need to have those in my host OS? | 09:51 |
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| Sargun | timeless_mbp, well. | 09:51 |
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| Sargun | what's MfE | 09:51 |
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| Sargun | timeless_mbp, works on my Palm Pre | 09:51 |
| Xisdibik | MfE = Mail for Exchange | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | tigert: and then it might get amplified by the CDN sync script.. nothing i have access to look at though | 09:52 |
| * timeless_mbp needs to rename MfE to Exchange | 09:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | or ActiveSync | 09:52 |
| * timeless_mbp hasn't figured out which yet | 09:52 | |
| tigert | timeless_mbp: well it should just add two calendars | 09:52 |
| timeless_mbp | tigert: ok | 09:52 |
| tigert | mail works just fine like that too | 09:52 |
| tigert | multiple accounts | 09:52 |
| timeless_mbp | what about when i add a contact? | 09:53 |
| timeless_mbp | does it get automatically added to the other MfE addressbook? | 09:53 |
| tigert | no, because multiple accounts do not work :) | 09:53 |
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| tigert | but that is likely an issue that would need to be solved somehow | 09:53 |
| timeless_mbp | how should MfE *know* not to upload the contact to the second MfE service? | 09:53 |
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| Xisdibik | wha, i thought you just said it did tigert | 09:53 |
| tigert | you have multiple contact sources even now though | 09:53 |
| timeless_mbp | tigert: no kidding | 09:53 |
| * Xisdibik is confuzzled | 09:53 | |
| tigert | Xisdibik: multiple Exchange accounts do not work | 09:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: what he said is multiple mailboxes kinda works | 09:54 |
| timeless_mbp | and multiple calendars kinda works | 09:54 |
| timeless_mbp | so in theory those two things should be possible for MfE | 09:54 |
| timeless_mbp | if it were enabled | 09:54 |
| tigert | but there is no fundamental reason why it couldnt work | 09:54 |
| timeless_mbp | (it's actively crippled by the MfE team) | 09:54 |
| tigert | multimail works with imap | 09:54 |
| tigert | calendar sync only works apparently with MfE | 09:55 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, it's just ui | 09:55 |
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| tigert | which sucks, | 09:55 |
| timeless_mbp | tigert: technically cal sync works w/ PC Suite :) | 09:55 |
| tigert | since it would be nice to get the work calendar + googlecalendar | 09:55 |
| timeless_mbp | my personal n900 is on loan to a guy who uses it | 09:55 |
| tigert | timeless_mbp: yea pcsuite syncs | 09:55 |
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| tigert | but pcsuite also sucks :) | 09:55 |
| tigert | imho | 09:55 |
| timeless_mbp | so don't say "Only" =b | 09:55 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, you'll never hear an argument from me on that point ;-) | 09:55 |
| tigert | but the device says it is not recommended to use both at the same time | 09:56 |
| lardman | is PC Suite written in Qt? | 09:56 |
| timeless_mbp | perhaps s/also/only/ ;-) | 09:56 |
| timeless_mbp | tigert: well, yeah | 09:56 |
| timeless_mbp | you really don't want to | 09:56 |
| Lynoure | hmm. | 09:56 |
| timeless_mbp | it should be able to create some terrible loops | 09:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | what it actually means is "don't sync the same account using two means" | 09:56 |
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| Lynoure | I could not find hildonmm.h at all on rmx.maemo.org | 09:57 |
| tigert | timeless_mbp: right | 09:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: yep, i think mm=c++ package | 09:57 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think it's something we'd have | 09:57 |
| tigert | timeless_mbp: now what one needs is a native port of pcsuite | 09:57 |
| * tigert ducks ;D | 09:57 | |
| timeless_mbp | since maemo was gtk-c | 09:57 |
| timeless_mbp | tigert: um | 09:57 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: weird... | 09:58 |
| timeless_mbp | i need smaller holes in my head | 09:58 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno about you | 09:58 |
| tigert | timeless_mbp: I wonder if the sync stuff limits multiaccounts only in the ui? | 09:58 |
| timeless_mbp | porting pc suite isn't quite something i'd want | 09:58 |
| timeless_mbp | tigert: ask vitaly | 09:58 |
| tigert | timeless_mbp: I was just joking about pcsuite porting | 09:58 |
| timeless_mbp | he explained what they did | 09:58 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: I'm working with a tutorial provided by Nokia, called Getting Started With Moemo5 | 09:58 |
| Lynoure | s/Moemo/Maemo/ | 09:58 |
| infobot | Lynoure meant: timeless_mbp: I'm working with a tutorial provided by Nokia, called Getting Started With Maemo5 | 09:58 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: does it actually use gtkmm? | 09:59 |
| timeless_mbp | if so, contact the author | 09:59 |
| Lynoure | Any idea of what tutorial I should use, that would work? | 09:59 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: Yes. | 09:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | contact the author | 09:59 |
| Lynoure | http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Get_started_with_Maemo_5/ | 09:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i believe the author is smoking something | 09:59 |
| Lynoure | No idea who the author is. | 09:59 |
| Lynoure | What tutorial should I use instead? Eventually I'd like to use Qt for my app? | 10:00 |
| Lynoure | s/app?/app/ | 10:00 |
| infobot | Lynoure meant: What tutorial should I use instead? Eventually I'd like to use Qt for my app | 10:00 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders about that audio track | 10:00 | |
| timeless_mbp | is it text to speech? | 10:01 |
| timeless_mbp | she isn't reading the text on the screen | 10:01 |
| timeless_mbp | but her pace is fixed | 10:01 |
| Lynoure | Seems to be more speech than the text. | 10:01 |
| timeless_mbp | so.. i don't deal w/ fn | 10:02 |
| timeless_mbp | but if you can't find a way to contact them, i'd suggest ... well... figure it out | 10:02 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a big "Feedback" button at the bottom left of this page :) | 10:02 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, it isn't that big.. | 10:02 |
| Lynoure | Anyway, I don't have to use _that_ tutorial... but is it so that there is no recommendable tutorials? | 10:02 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno | 10:03 |
| timeless_mbp | i wouldn't bother with Gtk++ | 10:03 |
| timeless_mbp | it seems like a waste | 10:03 |
| Lynoure | Qt, like I said. | 10:03 |
| timeless_mbp | you're using Gtk C because you have Gtk C code you want to use | 10:03 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise, if you like C++, you should just use Qt | 10:03 |
| timeless_mbp | note that, in my current life, i'm not a Qt coder | 10:04 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: I'm using gtk because I did not get to the qt part of that tutorial yet | 10:04 |
| Lynoure | ...and never will, if the author seems to be smoking something =) | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a "feedback *disclaimer*"! | 10:04 |
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| * lardman wonders if the BBC mobile page provides those twitter like comments during rugby matches? | 10:04 | |
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| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: i found signs of a http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/install/gtkmm-booster.install | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd assume that package depends on enough interesting bits of gtkmm | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/hildonmm/2.1.5-0maemo0/ | 10:08 |
| timeless_mbp | so libhildonmm-dev is in extras-devel | 10:08 |
| timeless_mbp | of course, extras-devel is probably dead :) | 10:08 |
| murrayc_ | What's the problem? | 10:08 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 10:09 | |
| Lynoure | libhildonmm-dev is what I installed on the scratchbox already, no help. | 10:09 |
| murrayc_ | Here's how to install maemomm: | 10:09 |
| murrayc_ | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/sec-installation.html#sec-linux-install-from-packages | 10:09 |
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| Lynoure | murrayc_: mostly I'm hoping to find a tutorial tha would get me started on my way to make a qt app for N900 | 10:10 |
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| murrayc_ | Lynoure: maemomm is not much use to you then. | 10:10 |
| lardman | hmm, someone was talking about petrovich the other day, I thought they meant this: http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/petrovich.html | 10:10 |
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| Lynoure | murrayc_: and was trying to use http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Get_started_with_Maemo_5/ but ran into problems, now wondering if it is broken or obsolete | 10:10 |
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| Lynoure | murrayc_: yes, I know, just a step to test the dev environment. But what tutorial should I use? | 10:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: it sounds like they forgot to tell you to install maemomm | 10:12 |
| timeless_mbp | complain to FN | 10:12 |
| timeless_mbp | please note that FN is not affiliated with #maemo | 10:13 |
| timeless_mbp | FN is a commercial entity within nokia | 10:13 |
| timeless_mbp | it's distinct from Maemo Devices | 10:13 |
| timeless_mbp | (they have people who kinda work with us, but they are technically not ours) | 10:13 |
| murrayc_ | Lynoure: This might be helpful, but the earlier version that I checked was quite awful: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Qt_for_Maemo_Developers_Guide | 10:14 |
| Lynoure | I did already complain about the tutorial. | 10:14 |
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| Lynoure | murrayc_: "awful" currently beats "no starting point" :) | 10:14 |
| murrayc_ | It's really very bad. | 10:15 |
| Lynoure | murrayc_: any idea ideas for a starting point? | 10:16 |
| adeus | well that doesn't look all that bad | 10:17 |
| adeus | at least the hello world parts seem ok | 10:17 |
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| Lynoure | adeus: I'll try with that one, then :) | 10:19 |
| adeus | personally I'd skip the ESBox stuff :P | 10:20 |
| Lynoure | hmm, I did have all the maemomm packages installed in the scratchbox already, hmm | 10:20 |
| Lynoure | adeus: what would you use instead? | 10:21 |
| murrayc_ | Lynoure: Were you using pkg-config to get the paths? | 10:21 |
| hrw|gone | http://www.maemonokian900.com - who is behind that crap? | 10:21 |
| hrw|gone | someone know? | 10:21 |
| murrayc_ | Lynoure: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/sec-basics-headers-and-linking.html | 10:21 |
| murrayc_ | Lynoure: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/sec-basics-example.html | 10:21 |
| adeus | well just native qt tools | 10:22 |
| adeus | qt creator or just emacs.. | 10:22 |
| adeus | but maybe I'm too oldschool | 10:22 |
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| murrayc_ | hrw|gone: Looks like content theft. | 10:22 |
| hrw|gone | murrayc_: I know that - my posts are there | 10:23 |
| lardman | hmm, why do my avis appear with a bit of working screen at the top and the rest green? | 10:23 |
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| hrw|gone | Registrant: Simon Challis 15 Victoria rd Laindon Essex ss156an United Kingdom | 10:23 |
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| mece | hrw|gone, wtf? That is pretty weird. | 10:24 |
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| hrw|gone | ok, need to go now, will be back in ~2h | 10:25 |
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| Lynoure | murrayc_: I'll try that on my next break | 10:26 |
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| adeus | is actually using the eclipse thingy now? | 10:26 |
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| Lynoure | adeus: I'm new to qt so something ide-like might be good... | 10:26 |
| adeus | my experience of it is quite old | 10:26 |
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| adeus | then maybe you should that then | 10:27 |
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| Lynoure | adeus: that=? | 10:28 |
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| adeus | the esbox | 10:28 |
| adeus | described in that doc | 10:28 |
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| Lynoure | adeus: I'll give it a shot. And then leap to using something else if it sucks | 10:29 |
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| lardman | ~curse application manager for taking so damn long to do anything | 10:31 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, application manager for taking so damn long to do anything ! | 10:31 |
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| Flandry | yeah it's really slow | 10:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrw|gone: that isn't your site? :) | 10:32 |
| Flandry | and in sdk i have to re-set red pill mode every other time i use it | 10:33 |
| Flandry | and tell it to assume net connection | 10:33 |
| lardman | argh, why can't I find gst-inspect? | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw|gone: looks like an advertising aggregator | 10:33 |
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| * suihkulokki notices a fresh "clutter" branch in maemo-mapper git | 10:34 | |
| lardman | hmm, gstreamer-tools /me wonders | 10:34 |
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| lardman | suihkulokki: for Qt? | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: stalking isn't polite :) | 10:35 |
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| suihkulokki | timeless_mbp: :P no just someone asked from me if there was a maemo-mapper for n900 so I went to check what's going on =) | 10:37 |
| Sargun | Does the front camera do anything useful on the n900? | 10:37 |
| Ford_Prefect | Sargun, video conferencing on GTalk/Skype? | 10:38 |
| Sargun | Ford_Prefect, It doesn't have an option for video | 10:38 |
| Venomrush | can't really switch Camera to use front camera | 10:38 |
| Myrtti | and that means it will not have an option in the future? | 10:38 |
| Venomrush | can't see where use Video Calling.. | 10:38 |
| Sargun | when will it? | 10:38 |
| lardman | anyone have a film with .sub subtitles and want to see if subparse works? | 10:39 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/gst/ | 10:39 |
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| suihkulokki | Sargun: there is a mirror application for it | 10:39 |
| Sargun | haha, really | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | Sargun: it takes up space :) | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, the mirror app works today | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | the goal is to use it for video conferencing eventually | 10:40 |
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| zaheerm | i hope front camera quality and that annoying stripe on right improves soon though :) | 10:41 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 10:41 | |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 10:44 | |
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| timeless_mbp | whose brilliant idea was it to spell Hartford as hatford? | 10:44 |
| timeless_mbp | just because it's pronounced that way doesn't mean it's spelled that way | 10:44 |
| * timeless_mbp guesses it was a finn | 10:45 | |
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| Myrtti | English pronounciation is screwed up anyway | 10:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, but you're not supposed to pronounce words when you write them for publication | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | you're supposed to use a reference and make sure you properly copy+paste the thing | 10:46 |
| zaheerm | we have worse at our company | 10:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | mirophone/micorophone wins prizes | 10:47 |
| zaheerm | where we have spaniards writing the spanish PR and an english translator translating them | 10:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: but have you ever had anyone write out Cuidad de México? | 10:48 |
| zaheerm | :) | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | you clearly haven't been to http://www.flagship.nokia.com/ | 10:49 |
| zaheerm | we've had phrases you'd have to look at 3 times to understand what they meant though | 10:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | (you have to wait for the ribbons to move away) | 10:49 |
| * timeless_mbp still wants to know what the heck www.meet-your-city.com is | 10:49 | |
| zaheerm | Mexico City (Spanish: Ciudad de México, or Distrito Federal) | 10:49 |
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| zaheerm | so they got it right | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: um | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | read the front page flash carefully | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | no cheating | 10:50 |
| zaheerm | sorry i see nothing wrong, except the meet your city part looks daft | 10:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, please read the title of the city letter at a time | 10:51 |
| zaheerm | oh ashit | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | don't read the words you think they wrote, read the letters | 10:52 |
| zaheerm | i didn't spot that | 10:52 |
| * timeless_mbp noticed | 10:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | teaching people to read is apparently hard | 10:52 |
| zaheerm | have you filed a bug report with them? :) | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | um... over a week ago i sent email to 3 of the employees at that store | 10:52 |
| zaheerm | yes especially as tendency is not to actually read but try and recognise the whole word | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | they send thanks | 10:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | s/send/said/ | 10:53 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: they said thanks | 10:53 |
| zaheerm | www.meet-your-city.com doesn't work | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | view-source:http://web.archive.org/web/20080209013657/http://www.meet-your-city.com/ | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it used to exist | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | it was a flash property | 10:54 |
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| lardman | bbl | 10:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | i wonder if the guy from http://www.postwork.co.uk/portfolio/2008/09/flagshipnokiacom/ has better contacts | 10:56 |
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| zaheerm | you think nokia were bad wrt launch of n900 read this: http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2009/12/01/Motorola-Milestone--aka-Droid--Hits-T-Mobile/p1 | 10:57 |
| timeless_mbp | wait, there's a nokia flagship store in dubaii? | 10:57 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, yep to attract the yuppies ;) | 10:57 |
| PolarFox | timeless_mbp: Why not? I can't think no better place .. :D | 10:57 |
| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: it isn't on the flagship.nokia.com site | 10:58 |
| timeless_mbp | if it isn't on the web, it must not exist | 10:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | QED | 10:58 |
| PolarFox | :D | 10:58 |
| zaheerm | lol | 10:58 |
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| suihkulokki | timeless_mbp: tsk, tsk, it is Dubai, not "dubaii". :P | 10:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: yeah, i saw, but decided not to s// :( | 10:59 |
| timeless_mbp | but at least nokia didn't manage to misspell it, since they don't list it :) | 10:59 |
| timeless_mbp | but seriously | 11:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | google is not helping me find much evidence that nokia-flagship-dubai exists | 11:00 |
| PolarFox | Wait, g00gle tells me that it's a Nokia Concept Store | 11:01 |
| PolarFox | not a flagship store. | 11:01 |
| PolarFox | Looks like Flagship store... but isn't.. :) | 11:01 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.blogcatalog.com/blog/symbia-s60-the-3rd/605805f8a7b927ea043c7b6a1b0c95c6 | 11:01 |
| timeless_mbp | that claims it's a flagship | 11:01 |
| timeless_mbp | ut yeah, google says concept store | 11:01 |
| timeless_mbp | s/ut/but/ | 11:02 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: but yeah, google says concept store | 11:02 |
| PolarFox | Oh... It's in a blog, it must be true.. :) | 11:02 |
| timeless_mbp | if it's in only one blog, it must be false :) | 11:02 |
| DangerMaus | saw someoone mention the dubai flagship store in the reboot or bricking buggy | 11:02 |
| * Sargun hasn't begun N900 love yet | 11:02 | |
| Sargun | :-( | 11:02 |
| * DangerMaus starts tomarrow | 11:03 | |
| Sargun | Where do I put my music | 11:03 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.nokia.co.in/find-a-store/ncs-mumbai | 11:03 |
| timeless_mbp | can someone please explain why [india] is in a dropdown? | 11:04 |
| Sargun | how do I prevent the N900 from sleeping | 11:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | plug it in | 11:05 |
| RST38h | Any SDL experts around? | 11:06 |
| DangerMaus | heheheheheh | 11:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/687335 | 11:07 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks nokia | 11:07 | |
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| timeless_mbp | there's no "i didn't do anything because your site sucked" | 11:07 |
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| DangerMaus | http://www.nokia.ae/find-a-store-en/store-locator/store-concept-uae | 11:10 |
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| DangerMaus | timeless_mbp, ^^ | 11:10 |
| timeless_mbp | ooh | 11:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm a winner | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not done taking the .in survey | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | and now i have a chance to take the .ae survey | 11:11 |
| DangerMaus | lol | 11:11 |
| Corsac | http://europe.nokia.com/EUROPE_NOKIA_COM_3/Sorry/design3.jpg wtf | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/687336 | 11:12 |
| Corsac | (and 1, 2) | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | how can they not spell OS X correctly? | 11:13 |
| Corsac | what about Mac OS 9? | 11:13 |
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| DangerMaus | ha | 11:13 |
| DangerMaus | ha | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: ... | 11:14 |
| Corsac | what? :) | 11:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | if nokia is trying to compete w/ software from Mac OS 9 days, that'd explain some things | 11:15 |
| timeless_mbp | but even software for 9 was shinier and worked better | 11:15 |
| Corsac | OS 9 was release just a few months before Windows 2000 which is in the list too | 11:15 |
| Corsac | released | 11:16 |
| * DangerMaus falls flat on his face | 11:16 | |
| * DangerMaus waits to see the FedEx plane fly over with his 900 in it | 11:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | You are here - Nokia United Arab Emirates Find a storeStore LocatorApplication Container | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | I'm in an application container? | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: AIX is listed | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | do i even want to know when AIX last had a major version released? | 11:20 |
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| Corsac | timeless_mbp: so you can install it on your laptop, sure | 11:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | hum | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: any luck yet? | 11:22 |
| * DangerMaus throws a stamp on the container and mail timeless_mbp home | 11:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | valuable stamp, eh? | 11:23 |
| Sargun | Ok, so far the N900 isn't as revolutionary as the N810 | 11:23 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: on the kernel/modules front ? haven't had the time | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: k | 11:23 |
| Sargun | it doesn't have working GSM -_- fucking t-mobile | 11:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | Sargun: eh? | 11:23 |
| Sargun | timeless_mbp, Apparently you can't get "real" prepaid data on a t-mobile sim | 11:23 |
| Sargun | unless you have a sidekick | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | explain? | 11:24 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: I was kind of starting to wonder if there is something in Parallels/my SB installation that messes the kernel up in subtle ways | 11:24 |
| Shapeshifter | my shop claims that they receive their n900 batch today. | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | do i want to know why http://www.nokia.ae/find-products-ar/all-phones/nokia-n900?ca=NewN900&lpos=row1_position1&lid=convergence_NewN900_displayad+NewN900Ar+_banner_228x96&t=convergence exists? | 11:24 |
| Shapeshifter | reason for me to get excited? yes. probably not true? yes. | 11:24 |
| Sargun | timeless_mbp, I can't get GPRS on a t-mobile SIM without contract. | 11:24 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: though I have yet to try to just dpkg-buildpackage the kernel source package as is and then try flashing it | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | ah | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | nice | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | could someone try clicking on ... | 11:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | ة فائقة. أداء عالي. | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | in that web page | 11:25 |
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| Sargun | How hard is it to get signal info (cell, RSSI, etc..) | 11:25 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 11:25 | |
| timeless_mbp | why in the world would they have an n900en flash ad in an arabic web page? | 11:26 |
| zaheerm | if you're talking about dubai | 11:26 |
| zaheerm | most people there do not speak arabic | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nokia.ae%2Ffind-products-ar%2Fall-phones%2Fnokia-n900%2Ffeatures&sl=ar&tl=en is funny | 11:27 |
| Shapeshifter | woooo the second- and third-biggest mobile providers here just fusioned. | 11:27 |
| Shapeshifter | better reception ftw. | 11:27 |
| Sargun | can I do podcatching in my n900? | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: not necessarily | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Sargun: catching? | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | who does podthrowing? | 11:27 |
| zaheerm | Shapeshifter, a way of decomissioning expensive mast sites :P | 11:27 |
| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: yes necessarily. because one of them doesn't have Edge but loads of 3G antennas | 11:27 |
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| Sargun | timeless_mbp, Reading RSS feeds, and automagically downloading new podcrap | 11:28 |
| Shapeshifter | the other one has only little 3G | 11:28 |
| Shapeshifter | they make a perfect team | 11:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | and yeah, they can put down a few antennas. | 11:28 |
| timeless_mbp | Sargun: i'm pretty sure that podcatching isn't an accepted term | 11:28 |
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| zaheerm | s/a few/ a lot of/ :) | 11:28 |
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| zaheerm | Sargun, install gpodder | 11:28 |
| jaem | hrm... does the #ifdef Q_WS_HILDON feature require any setup, or does Maemo-Qt just automatically set that on build? | 11:29 |
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| Sargun | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=podcatcher | 11:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | Results 1 - 10 of about 31,100 for podcatching | 11:29 |
| Sargun | what else do you call it | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | Results 1 - 10 of about 30,300,000 for podcasting | 11:30 |
| frals | podcatching, never heard that before | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd say anything w/ less than 100,000 hits is a typo | 11:30 |
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| DangerMaus | going to strap the feedbag on | 11:36 |
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| * jaem moos at DangerMaus | 11:37 | |
| jaem | g'night, all | 11:37 |
| DangerMaus | nn jaem | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 11:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | there are ~250k hits for podcatcher | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | v. 900k hits for podcaster | 11:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: what do they speak? | 11:39 |
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| * timeless_mbp is too lazy to ask cia world fact book | 11:39 | |
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| mece | timeless_mbp, what are you up to? | 11:39 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, english :) | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | reading http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nokia.ae%2Ffind-products-ar%2Fall-phones%2Fnokia-n900%2Ffeatures&sl=ar&tl=en | 11:39 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, it is full of expats who outnumber the locals, the main language of business and pleasure is english | 11:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nokia.ae%2Ffind-products-ar%2Fall-phones%2Fnokia-n900%2Ffeatures&sl=ar&tl=en | 11:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | can you fix "Kamiramat" | 11:41 |
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| DangerMaus | yep yep fedex just flew over while i was in the kitchen | 11:42 |
| florian | good morning | 11:42 |
| Shapeshifter | DangerMaus: why didn't you shoot it down | 11:42 |
| Shapeshifter | you could have had the device in your hands in a minute. | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: s/in/on/ | 11:43 |
| DangerMaus | tha woulndnt help at this point my 900 is at the sort facility already | 11:43 |
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| DangerMaus | too bad they dont deliver till like 9am at the earliest | 11:45 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh, I have a problem with the Qt app I'm writing. It runs natively on linux as it does in scratchbox, but as soon as I add a QMenuBar, it won't show the app anymore in the SDK. It runs, but in the SDK I only see console output, no window. | 11:45 |
| DangerMaus | maybe8 | 11:45 |
| Shapeshifter | DangerMaus: you're staying up all night waiting for it? | 11:46 |
| DangerMaus | yepyep | 11:46 |
| DangerMaus | was up all night lastnight shouldnt be that bad | 11:47 |
| DangerMaus | now if the stuff i ordered lastweek would get here already but no 2 more days | 11:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | how can I find out what package version I have of a package (e.g. qt)? | 12:04 |
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| Wnt | Shapeshifter: apt-cache show pkg-name | 12:06 |
| Shapeshifter | Wnt: thanks. | 12:07 |
| adeus | or dpkg -l|grep pkg-name | 12:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh | 12:09 |
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| Shapeshifter | this is really weird. | 12:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | dpkg -S + apt-cache show | 12:18 |
| odin_ | does a Class 6 MMC card work faster in the N900 than Class 2 (i.e. the read/write performance bottleneck is the card?) | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: i highly doubt anyone here would know | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | 99% of us are software people | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | that's not really a software question | 12:18 |
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| odin_ | I'd have thought someone might have tried it, to speed up the development process, faster card = faster turn around cycles? | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | what dev process? | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | no one does work on mmc's | 12:19 |
| glass_ | probably someone does | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | fastest read/write is almost certainly ubifs | 12:20 |
| glass_ | but it would be a rare occasion where it would make impact on dev process | 12:20 |
| odin_ | glass_, yes in the whole mix the reload/reboot is a small part of overall time | 12:20 |
| DangerMaus | great question odin_ i wish i knew | 12:21 |
| DangerMaus | but i'll prob buy the class 6 anyways $$$ | 12:21 |
| odin_ | timeless_mbp, what does ubifs have to do with things ? isn't that just a fs format | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | ubifs on the n900 refers to a specific volume | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | most volumes have native write-leveling | 12:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | the volume hosting ubifs does not | 12:22 |
| odin_ | DangerMaus, suppler sent me a Class2 16Gb (when I ordered Class6 same brand), Class6 in short supply | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | a feature of ubifs is write-leveling | 12:22 |
| odin_ | DangerMaus, thinking over if I should send it back or not, I have no card in there at the mo | 12:22 |
| DangerMaus | odin_, ouch! | 12:22 |
| Venomrush | how is http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemo-recorder/ different to http://maemo.org/packages/view/recorder/ :\ | 12:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | Venomrush: one is obsolete | 12:23 |
| odin_ | DangerMaus, class6 is x2.2 times the price of a class2 | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | and really needs to be killed from the repo | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | Venomrush: i haven't gotten around to filing a bug | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | ideally one should have an obsoletes tag against the other | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | not sure if it does | 12:23 |
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| Venomrush | so which one are we meant to be using | 12:23 |
| DangerMaus | and from what i understand class 6 is x6 speed and class2 is 2x speed | 12:23 |
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| odin_ | DangerMaus, yes correct, my understanding too, but for the extra speed you pay x2.2 the price | 12:24 |
| DangerMaus | yepyep | 12:24 |
| Venomrush | i'm assuming the higher version? | 12:24 |
| DangerMaus | did they refund the extra $$$ by sending you a class2? | 12:25 |
| DangerMaus | odin_, ^^ | 12:26 |
| DangerMaus | i use mostly class 6 in my camera | 12:26 |
| odin_ | DangerMaus, well I said to them (it was purchased through amazon market space from a UK supplier, I am in UK), I said, if they have a Class 6 in stock I will pay the cost of Class 2 and keep it too, but if they don't I want a refund | 12:26 |
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| odin_ | DangerMaus, this is to stop being trying this method on when they know full well they dont have Class6 in stock but advertise it | 12:27 |
| DangerMaus | heh | 12:27 |
| odin_ | DangerMaus, so will refund it and I can return it, but if I cant get Class6 anyhow, I might as well keep it and get a refund for the diff | 12:27 |
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| DangerMaus | yepyep | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: there are ~3 people i think @nokia who would know | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | but afaik they don't come out much | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, if the cost isn't much, i'd just demand the difference in value | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | i doubt you'll find the extra speed in our device is important | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | but, i don't build mozilla on my n900s | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'd hope you wouldn't either... | 12:29 |
| aSIMULAtor | has anyone tried multitasking on android and if so how does it compare to maemo5 | 12:29 |
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| odin_ | well I can wait until the new year, when class6 are in stock and experiment and report it to wiki :) | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: a guy from the rtcomish team had one (htc hero?) | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't like it | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think he did either | 12:30 |
| DangerMaus | i got a class 6 in my newegg cart atm fairly cheep but im still trying to find again the local co that sells generic ones well below market and ive never had an issue with them | 12:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: btw, have you searched for Baltimore in the clock? :) | 12:30 |
| odin_ | the brand of this is Trancend (not many microSDHC at 16Gb around) | 12:30 |
| Shapeshifter | A QMenuBar *should* be represented in maemo in the title bar menu thingy, right? | 12:30 |
| aSIMULAtor | no, cause ther'es no use for me to :P | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: it's worth at least one giggle! | 12:31 |
| aSIMULAtor | ok let me check | 12:32 |
| odin_ | the USB interface is not a host interface, but is there any kind of external keyring storage device that works on it? maybe another silly question from me ? lols | 12:32 |
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| aSIMULAtor | so no baltimore but plenty of other cities or towns around it i guess | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: i'd recommend using find | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | don't try to find it yourself | 12:33 |
| ccooke | Good Morning | 12:33 |
| RST38h | aSIMULA: there aren't many, you know? | 12:33 |
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| DangerMaus | odin_, you on a 770? | 12:33 |
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| odin_ | DangerMaus, N900 | 12:33 |
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| DangerMaus | was just out there that you said mmc | 12:34 |
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| aSIMULAtor | so should baltimore be there? | 12:34 |
| aSIMULAtor | or something | 12:34 |
| odin_ | microSDHC of course, the device interface on linux is like /dev/mmc or so, hence use of term | 12:34 |
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| DangerMaus | switch it to host mode odin_ ? | 12:35 |
| aSIMULAtor | maybe i should bitch to the clock ppl that there's no "porter ranch" california instead i have to pick los angeles :P | 12:35 |
| zaheerm | review of samsung h1 "We found the capacitive screen a little reluctant to respond to screen taps at times, though. Getting haptic feedback is well and good, but it does need to be accompanied by action." | 12:35 |
| mece | is there an irc client in extras? | 12:35 |
| aSIMULAtor | xchat | 12:35 |
| ccooke | mece: I believe Xchat is there... might only be in extras-devel, still | 12:35 |
| zaheerm | mece, xchat exists but i think it is in extras-devel | 12:35 |
| odin_ | DangerMaus, so with adaptor I can switch the USB to host mode and use a keyfob storage stick ? | 12:35 |
| DangerMaus | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode | 12:35 |
| mece | k. I don't think I'll be enabling devel on this one though. | 12:35 |
| DangerMaus | see if that helps | 12:36 |
| zaheerm | mece, better not to :) | 12:36 |
| DangerMaus | odin_, i dont have mine yet but will later today | 12:36 |
| mece | perhaps I could just compile some client that uses curses. | 12:36 |
| DangerMaus | http://maemo.org/community/council/wiki_articles_you-re_missing_out_on/ <<< also good reading odin_ | 12:36 |
| plr_ | Lynoure: did you install esbox on windows or linux? | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: you know you can click the magnifying glass in select time zone, right? | 12:37 |
| odin_ | DangerMaus, thanks... I am also looking up "Bluetooth Storage" | 12:37 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 12:37 | |
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| timeless_mbp | it isn't even really a time zone picker | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a city picker | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | bug => me | 12:37 |
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| DangerMaus | np odin_ | 12:37 |
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| DangerMaus | haha | 12:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh ok u want me to actually search for hte city and type it in rather than on the world map | 12:38 |
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| aSIMULAtor | yes i knew there's a city picker dialog but to be honest i dont' use it | 12:38 |
| aSIMULAtor | the cities i'm interested in are already..on the map :P | 12:38 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 12:39 |
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| mece | anyone tried weechat? | 12:39 |
| odin_ | oh maybe bluetooth storage isn't the way to go... 0.72 Mb/sec | 12:40 |
| zaheerm | someone should tell the firefox boys to put their nightlies in extras-devel | 12:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: baltimore is on the map too1 | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | s/1/! | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: and while baltimore and guam are special | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i suspect you'll find the cities that interest you aren't much less special | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock-notes.jpg | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | is that your office wall or your whiteboard? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | ah, whiteboard | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | whiteboard | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and not mine | 12:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | the n900 camera is actually pretty good for certain things | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Meh. Not free n900 - they took payment again today. Silly nokia. | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | there's plenty of space above on that whiteboard for the rest of the cities | 12:47 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, like digitizing whiteboards | 12:47 |
| LuciusMare | for example,for photographing | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly, ergonomically | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | import directly to evernote.. | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: anyway, my database is kinda better | 12:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | what i really need is for someone to write an app which takes the db and plots the points onto a web page or something | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | because manually moving pointers sucks | 12:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | (new wdb is up in n900/wdb fwiw) | 12:49 |
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| DangerMaus | timeless you in europe? | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | unfortunately? why do you ask? | 12:52 |
| DangerMaus | 2009-01-11 is the the first month or the 11th month | 12:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | first | 12:52 |
| DangerMaus | k | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | year major is always yyyy-mm-dd | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone doing something else is an idiot | 12:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | and while i know many idiots, i don't know idiots like that | 12:53 |
| DangerMaus | im used to mm-dd-yyyy | 12:53 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 12:53 | |
| timeless_mbp | i'm personally used to mm/dd/(yy)yy | 12:53 |
| Myrtti | the beauty of the iso standard way is that it alphabetizes nicely | 12:53 |
| DangerMaus | heh | 12:53 |
| range | And it is easily understandable. | 12:53 |
| range | No chance for misunderstandings. | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | s/the/that/ | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | not all iso standards are good | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | this specific one (or portion thereof) is actually a winner | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | by contrast, iso week numbering is a loser | 12:55 |
| DangerMaus | hehe | 12:55 |
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| DangerMaus | skip week numbering and just count the days 1 through 365 or 66 for leap | 12:56 |
| Sargun | DangerMaus, DeadMau5? | 12:56 |
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| DangerMaus | if your asking relation sargunthen no | 12:57 |
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| DangerMaus | oops | 12:57 |
| DangerMaus | if your asking relation sargun no | 12:58 |
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| odin_ | what is the name of the USB connector of N900 ? "USB Micro B female" ? | 13:01 |
| DangerMaus | should be | 13:02 |
| DangerMaus | micro b | 13:02 |
| DangerMaus | is what i bought for cables | 13:02 |
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| Termana | search for USB 2.0 A to Micro B Female / Male | 13:02 |
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| odin_ | ah wikipedia have a page with diagram, looks like Micro-B to me too | 13:03 |
| Termana | Their available on Amazon for $1.75 | 13:03 |
| DangerMaus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Types-usb_new.svg lower right | 13:03 |
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| odin_ | I am looking for cable or adaptor to make a hostmode cable, quite difficult I think as converting "USB Micro-B male" to "USB Type A receptable" is an unusual request | 13:04 |
| DangerMaus | least were on the same page | 13:04 |
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| Lynoure | plr_: Linux | 13:04 |
| DangerMaus | i dont know how current that article is odin_ i linked to you | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | take to cables, solder. | 13:05 |
| DangerMaus | was like last year but provides ideas | 13:05 |
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| Lynoure | plr_: (Sorry for delay, my current paid work took over) | 13:05 |
| mece | ls | 13:06 |
| mece | oops | 13:06 |
| DangerMaus | ha | 13:06 |
| Termana | bash commands no work here silly | 13:06 |
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| Termana | don't* | 13:07 |
| mece | they should tho. | 13:07 |
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| Termana | You could alias /ls to /list :P I assume that should be easy on irssi, don't know about xchat as I don't know its (xchat's) scripting abilities. | 13:08 |
| mece | hey is irssi in the repositories? | 13:08 |
| Termana | n900 repositories? | 13:09 |
| mece | Termana, ya | 13:09 |
| Termana | Don't know sorry - and I don't own an n900 to find out :P I know XChat is | 13:09 |
| mece | I'm actually compiling it in the sdk atm, but I guess some folks are already using it. | 13:10 |
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| Sargun | Linux lucifer 2.6.31-gentoo-r3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Nov 16 00:25:56 PST 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9550 @ 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux | 13:13 |
| Sargun | I modded my N900 and put a Core 2 in there. | 13:13 |
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| mece | ls | 13:14 |
| mece | crap | 13:14 |
| mece | stupid virtualbox | 13:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Damn, the n900 _needs_ a stylus sensor. | 13:14 |
| SpeedEvil | So it can squeal if you put it down without | 13:14 |
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| DangerMaus | haha | 13:15 |
| DangerMaus | or nokia needs to have spares available | 13:15 |
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| mece | ls | 13:16 |
| DangerMaus | haha | 13:16 |
| mece | running linux mint on the other screen in virtualbox, and it looks like it's active, but you still have to click it first. | 13:17 |
| DangerMaus | your getting good at the wrong window bit today mece | 13:17 |
| DangerMaus | i do it in E alot not in a virtual cant get the focus just rite | 13:18 |
| mece | DangerMaus, quite. | 13:18 |
| mece | oh blast there's not a premade control file and all that :@ | 13:18 |
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| DangerMaus | tictoctictoc few more hours till i can dance with it | 13:19 |
| mece | Nice to see that the N900 works with ampache straight out of the box. | 13:19 |
| * DangerMaus is jelouse | 13:22 | |
| DangerMaus | still i never thought i could order one yesterday and get it today | 13:22 |
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| Venomrush | DangerMaus: where are you ordering it from? | 13:27 |
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| DangerMaus | nokiausa | 13:27 |
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| DangerMaus | Klowner, did it too and he should get his today also | 13:27 |
| DangerMaus | you pay a bit more but it will be in hand | 13:28 |
| DangerMaus | dont know if the price went back up to msrp or not after the weekend | 13:28 |
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| DangerMaus | nope still listed at the lower price Venomrush | 13:30 |
| DangerMaus | http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetailbymodel_10500_10101_-1_10000367_Y | 13:30 |
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| agi | hi | 13:31 |
| DangerMaus | hi | 13:31 |
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| agi | any news/hints on bugs 6334/6350? | 13:33 |
| DangerMaus | yikes | 13:34 |
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| agi | indeed, happening here all the time | 13:34 |
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| Stskeeps | agi: the bug is certainly been given attention to | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | if you have Eero looking at it, you got one of the best guys on it :P | 13:35 |
| DangerMaus | bad bug it is.. i had just checked it and nothing new | 13:35 |
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| agi | Stskeeps: thanks, if I can be of any help, just let me know | 13:36 |
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| agi | not a maemo hacker but quite experienced gnu/linux sysadmin | 13:37 |
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| DangerMaus | Stskeeps, is this widespread or just realy over in like italy and finnland ect.. | 13:38 |
| agi | I'm in Spain | 13:38 |
| agi | and it's happening in the UK too | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | DangerMaus: i am not a nokia employee, just for good measure. i don't have those issues and i'm on 42-11, but with a summit device | 13:39 |
| DangerMaus | ok | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just saying that there seems to be a capable nokian on the case | 13:39 |
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| DangerMaus | oh yeqah totaly | 13:40 |
| DangerMaus | yeah | 13:40 |
| agi | I'm new to maemo.org BTS, in order to add a comment yo just reply the last one? | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes, or in the top | 13:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | agi: um | 13:41 |
| timeless_mbp | don't "reply" | 13:41 |
| timeless_mbp | just add your comment | 13:41 |
| timeless_mbp | this isn't a mailing list, everything that exists in the bug will effectively always exist in the bug | 13:41 |
| RST38h | Mhm...Everybody and their dog seems to be royally disappointed at the Maemo 2010 plans | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | +rumoured | 13:42 |
| timeless_mbp | we have plans? | 13:42 |
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| agi | timeless_mbp: thanks, I couldn't find the 'add comment' :) | 13:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: As developers all say that they "have no idea what Maemo6 will look like", the info sounds credible | 13:43 |
| timeless_mbp | agi: you probably forgot to log in | 13:43 |
| agi | timeless_mbp: nope, not that :) | 13:43 |
| DangerMaus | oh geez | 13:43 |
| timeless_mbp | agi: there's a sizeable text area... | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it will be with comic sans and drawn in a cartoonish way, of course | 13:44 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: you forgot the 'omgponies' theme | 13:44 |
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| agi | aahhhhh now I see it, to obvious for me! :D | 13:44 |
| agi | timeless_mbp: thanks | 13:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | agi: but please, don't add comments that aren't necessary | 13:44 |
| DangerMaus | agi, top of list aditional comments and just below the 'commit' button] | 13:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | DangerMaus: technically it depends on your configuration :) | 13:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | for me, the comment box is just above the most recent comment | 13:45 |
| DangerMaus | hmmm | 13:45 |
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| agi | timeless_mbp: ok, won't do | 13:45 |
| DangerMaus | that would be better | 13:45 |
| DangerMaus | timeless, is it a diff login from maemo,org? | 13:46 |
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| DangerMaus | timeless_mbp is it a diff login from maemo,org? | 13:47 |
| RST38h | Sts: Oh yesss | 13:48 |
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| rrr__ | anyone here familiar with powervr sdk? | 13:50 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: that said, mixed with hello kitty, it would be a hit | 13:52 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: you have now inspired my first wallpaper change in a long time | 13:52 |
| w00t | i hope you're happy. | 13:52 |
| agi | lol | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | not until i don't have to think about hip surgeries daily | 13:53 |
| w00t | what. | 13:53 |
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| Stskeeps | thesis | 13:54 |
| w00t | haha | 13:54 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 13:55 |
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| DangerMaus | eeks | 13:56 |
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| * ccooke discovers (probably after everyone else) about the uk vodafone exclusive | 14:04 | |
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| mece_ | asdf | 14:04 |
| mece_ | hm ok. irssi seems nice. | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | ghjkl; | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:04 |
| ccooke | mece_: recommended from here :-) | 14:05 |
| * ccooke has been using irssi for some years now | 14:06 | |
| mece_ | my completely vanilla deb installed it to /usr/local, and it's not in the default path it appears. | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: ? | 14:07 |
| plr_ | irssi is awesome | 14:07 |
| ccooke | this is on a tablet? | 14:07 |
| mece_ | ccooke, ye | 14:07 |
| Lupu | mece_: But ssh is. *grin* :D | 14:07 |
| ccooke | mece_: which one? | 14:07 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: hmm? | 14:07 |
| mece_ | ccooke, N900 | 14:07 |
| ccooke | mece_: oooh, where's the .deb? | 14:07 |
| mece_ | ccooke, on my computer | 14:07 |
| ccooke | :-) | 14:07 |
| mece_ | ccooke, I just compiled it 5 minutes ago | 14:07 |
| ccooke | ah, fair enough | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: vodafone | 14:08 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: oh. http://www.mobile-users.net/2009/11/25/n900-exclusivity-update/ | 14:08 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: note that I've only seen it there - it might not be true. | 14:08 |
| ccooke | Only came across the story a few minutes ago | 14:08 |
| mece_ | ccooke, and I didn't edit the control file or anything, so it's not "proper". | 14:08 |
| ccooke | *nod* | 14:09 |
| RST38h | Sts: I especially like that Comic font idea =) | 14:09 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Seriously, though, we do know a few things. The desktop will apparently become a huge 2D canvas with app windows all over | 14:09 |
| RST38h | Sts: Not sure how useful that will be, but it was in the presentation | 14:10 |
| LuciusMare | I know this is an Off Topic,but nobody else on other channels could answer me - or they didnt even try | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: insane | 14:10 |
| hrw | I HATE SBOX even more now | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Discrete desktops are pretty much mandatory | 14:10 |
| LuciusMare | What is wrong with this sudoers line? lucius ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/wminput - it still prompts me for password | 14:10 |
| zaheerm | were they app windows or applets? | 14:10 |
| hrw | you guys are great - using such crap and getting something working | 14:11 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: I am also very sceptical on this :( | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: And I've _used_ a large virtual desktop on a 640*480 display | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: i loathe sbox too but it pays decently off knowing a bit about it | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:11 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: but there may be ways to make it work | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: (though it was a few years ago now.) | 14:12 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: sure | 14:12 |
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| plr_ | I'm stuck due to not knowing how to get samba installed on scratchbox.. | 14:13 |
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| hrw | plr_: what for? | 14:13 |
| hrw | plr_: sbox is not emulating device | 14:13 |
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| plr_ | hrw: getting a share to work between windows and sbox in order to be able to do development there | 14:14 |
| hrw | plr_: sbox run in linux vm? | 14:15 |
| plr_ | hrw: yes | 14:15 |
| hrw | plr_: install samba in linux vm not in sbox | 14:15 |
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| hrw | plr_: then configure linuxvm to connect to windows share somewhere in /scratchbox/ | 14:15 |
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| mikedg-blau | hi | 14:16 |
| plr_ | hrw: hmm I think it has it installed | 14:16 |
| hrw | so configure it | 14:16 |
| plr_ | hrw: the share connecting is done in the esbox automatically, cannot really configure it myself like that | 14:16 |
| hrw | plr_: never used esbox | 14:17 |
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| plr_ | oh wait, I guess it let's me choose the directory | 14:17 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: It may be possible to make this plan useful with dynamic scaling,, kinda like better Maemo5 task switcher | 14:19 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: I.e. you get an additional dimension of "height" above the desktop | 14:20 |
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| hrw | heh... I cannot develop my app for maemo5 ;( | 14:20 |
| hrw | no gstreamer-modplug built | 14:20 |
| mikedg-blau | why? | 14:20 |
| mikedg-blau | build it on an n900 | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: yeah | 14:20 |
| RST38h | compile it | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: 4:3 FTW! | 14:20 |
| hrw | mikedg-blau: which n900? | 14:20 |
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| mikedg-blau | the one in my pants | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: also perhaps accellerometer scrolling. | 14:21 |
| hrw | mikedg-blau: it does not responds | 14:21 |
| RST38h | Speed: kinetic, you mean? | 14:21 |
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| zap_ | Does latest ke-recv from Nokia SVN work on Maemo 4, or it is Maemo 5 only? | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: something like that. | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I'm unsure how well that'd work though | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | zap_: probably only on m5 | 14:23 |
| RST38h | Speed: Just because it sounds cool, does not mean it will be usable | 14:23 |
| zap_ | so its not backward compatible? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | zap_: doubt it. | 14:23 |
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| RST38h | Anyone with SDL knowledge? | 14:23 |
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| mece | howcome irssi is not in the erpository? | 14:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: yeah. | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Been through that with openmoko | 14:25 |
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| mikedg-blau | anyone know old people with kindles, like 65+ | 14:25 |
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| DangerMaus | almost | 14:28 |
| plr_ | nice, qt 4.6 released | 14:28 |
| DangerMaus | but my pops thought better of it | 14:28 |
| plr_ | with new version for maemo as well | 14:28 |
| mece | plr_, v. nice! | 14:29 |
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| plr_ | also qt mobility api seems to be available too | 14:29 |
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| ifvoid | hi! | 14:30 |
| HuescaRed | Hi, I am trying to use displaylink with my nokia i810 but I can't get working the framebuffer, any idea? | 14:30 |
| ifvoid | I'm compiling a program for maemo | 14:30 |
| ifvoid | but when I run it, I get "./nfb: relocation error: ./nfb: symbol powf, version GLIBCXX_3.4 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference" | 14:31 |
| ifvoid | anyone got an idea of how to solve that? | 14:31 |
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| hrw | hildon-home[7981]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib - g_parse_long_long: assertion `nptr != NULL' failed | 14:34 |
| hrw | thats normal? | 14:34 |
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| hrw | or that: /usr/bin/make: relocation error: /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/libdl.so.2: symbol _dl_catch_error, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference | 14:36 |
| mikedg-blau | does maemo support kindle | 14:37 |
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| hrw | mikedg-blau: amazon kindle? | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | mikedg-blau: no | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | mikedg-blau: kindle is a program that they -amazon - would have to make available. | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | (in addition to a device - if you're asking can I run maemo on my kindle - the answer is no) | 14:38 |
| HuescaRed | anybody has worked with displaylink? | 14:38 |
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| hrw | enough is enough | 14:43 |
| hrw | if even libtool does needs to be adapted to just build application then sbox is not for me | 14:43 |
| derf | libtool breaks almost everywhere. | 14:45 |
| derf | This should not be a surprise. | 14:45 |
| hrw | derf: I am able to cross compile software for other platforms | 14:46 |
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| hrw | but "./configure;make" failing on libtool? how Debian can get broken that much? | 14:46 |
| konttori_work_no | Hi guys! | 14:49 |
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| konttori_work_no | we have a problem for SSU. | 14:49 |
| konttori_work_no | python on the extras is not optified | 14:49 |
| konttori_work_no | and it's taking too much rootfs space | 14:49 |
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| lizardo | konttori_work_no: there is an optified version in extras-devel | 14:49 |
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| konttori_work_no | python in extras-devel is optified. Does anybody know why not upload that to extras? | 14:50 |
| lizardo | konttori_work_no: but for some reason it is not getting automatically promoted :( | 14:50 |
| konttori_work_no | oh. Perhaps apps need to depend on specific version? | 14:50 |
| RST38h | konttori: Because the guy who uploaded it to -devel is too lazy to promote it? =) | 14:50 |
| lizardo | konttori_work_no: it should have been automatically promoted to extras-testing already | 14:50 |
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| lizardo | konttori_work_no: I will ask on the list | 14:50 |
| konttori_work_no | lizardo, thanks | 14:50 |
| konttori_work_no | and we need to make it that apps update to using that asap | 14:50 |
| lizardo | RST38h: well, I uploaded it :P Niels requested dependencies to not be promoted manually to extras-testing | 14:51 |
| konttori_work_no | so that end users will also get upgraded to that one | 14:51 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, you have to specifically promote it to testing i think | 14:51 |
| lizardo | and instead let application pull it from extras-devel | 14:51 |
| RST38h | lizardo: Ah! Well, can't wait for Niels... | 14:51 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, aah. i get you :( | 14:51 |
| * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to keep Niels out of harm's way. For now, anyway | 14:51 | |
| lizardo | zaheerm: well, that was not what I've been told :( it was working for previous version, but right now it seems the automatic promotion system is not working | 14:52 |
| zaheerm | so someone needs to dep on the new python specifically :) | 14:52 |
| RST38h | lizardo: It cannot remain in -devel for long, really =( | 14:52 |
| RST38h | lizardo: Too much stuff depends on it, and it is too large for / anyway | 14:52 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: I don't think so | 14:52 |
| konttori_work_no | I completely agree | 14:52 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: there is something *very* broken with the automatic promotion system | 14:52 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, maybe the next zoutube i promote to testing, i will specify minimum python version to be optified one | 14:52 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, that should auto promote it... | 14:53 |
| zaheerm | even if it is not the intended way | 14:53 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: please git it a try :) | 14:53 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: but I think something else is broken | 14:53 |
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| lizardo | zaheerm: for a couple of weeks I noticed no other new versions of any PyMaemo packages got automatically promoted as before | 14:54 |
| lizardo | anyway, time to send a e-mail to the list | 14:54 |
| hrw | I had to not report bugs before getting device but looks like DDP waits for maemo6 devices to be ready first so bug #6474 was added. | 14:54 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6474 libqt4-dev ships libphonon.so symlink but do not depend on libphonon-dev package | 14:54 |
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| lizardo | mail sent to the list , lets hope it gets fixed ASAP | 14:58 |
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| HuescaRed | anybody has worked with displaylink? | 15:03 |
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| lardman | re | 15:06 |
| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/tmp/pic12.jpg | 15:07 |
| derf | Moo lardman. | 15:08 |
| hrw | lardman: what do you think? | 15:08 |
| lcuk | hi lardman, theres a cunning plan underway to keep your fridge safe from bacon thieves | 15:09 |
| lcuk | hey hrw thats cool | 15:09 |
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| lardman | hrw: the wonders of Qt! :) | 15:09 |
| zaheerm | is the maemo5 calendar using eds or calendar-backend from maemo gitorious? | 15:09 |
| lardman | hrw: needs more bling | 15:10 |
| hrw | lardman: needs lot of work | 15:11 |
| lardman | derf: hey | 15:11 |
| lardman | hrw: what's your goal? | 15:11 |
| hrw | lardman: anyway it will not be released for maemo5 in 2009 rather | 15:12 |
| lardman | lcuk: what's that about fridges? | 15:12 |
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| hrw | lardman: read my blog | 15:12 |
| lardman | By Your Command | 15:12 |
| lcuk | lardman, see stskeeps and lbt they have a cunning plan to safeguard your bacon | 15:13 |
| lbt | how do I screenshot an app on N900 ? | 15:13 |
| hrw | lardman: shift-ctrl-p? | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-shift-p | 15:13 |
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| plr_ | ctrl-shift-p was it? | 15:13 |
| lbt | ta | 15:13 |
| * lbt has 3 screenshots now :) | 15:13 | |
| plr_ | there is also an app that adds an icon for it in the status menu | 15:14 |
| hrw | food time | 15:14 |
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| plr_ | lbt :) | 15:14 |
| lardman | hrw|afk: sorry was trying to work out what lcuk's on about :) | 15:15 |
| lbt | OK I do like the 'share piccy' thing.... that's nice | 15:15 |
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| lardman | lcuk: bit slow today, what are you talking about>?! | 15:15 |
| lcuk | dont worry | 15:15 |
| * lardman descends back into his sore throat induced stupor | 15:16 | |
| Stskeeps | lardman: o2 joggler at 99 quid | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:16 |
| Venomrush | joggler is a joke | 15:16 |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 <---- Still require some testers or vote ! | 15:17 |
| lbt | not with Mer on it Venomrush | 15:17 |
| lbt | it's fully hackable | 15:17 |
| lardman | ah I see | 15:17 |
| Venomrush | what can you do after hack | 15:17 |
| lardman | looks cool | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | Venomrush: run linux os of choice? | 15:17 |
| lbt | Venomrush: xterm | 15:18 |
| lbt | what more is there in life? | 15:18 |
| Venomrush | does it have good specs tho? | 15:18 |
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| Stskeeps | 1.33ghz, 512m, usb host, wlan and eth | 15:19 |
| lardman | hw accel? | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | 7" 800x480 | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: intel gl | 15:19 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbCXLyb6oJQ | 15:20 |
| lardman | no audio at work | 15:21 |
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| Stskeeps | no need for it | 15:21 |
| lardman | k | 15:21 |
| lardman | mmmm, >300fps | 15:21 |
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| Jaffa | af'noon, all | 15:22 |
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| lardman | hey Jaffa | 15:22 |
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| lardman | looks cool | 15:23 |
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| detective | hey! good evening :D | 15:23 |
| lardman | so it has an xterm? or is flashable somehow? | 15:24 |
| lardman | or is it already running Mer? ;) | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: runs mer already, has a efi bootloader | 15:24 |
| * Jaffa mutters about community discussions spread over 3 places | 15:24 | |
| detective | i love you all and maemo :) | 15:25 |
| * lardman puts his back to the wall | 15:25 | |
| lardman | hello detective | 15:25 |
| * lardman wonders about intercepting the TrafficMaster info | 15:26 | |
| lardman | that would be reason enough to buy it | 15:26 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, it will happen, did you see my suggestion anywhere to try talk.maemo.org but only showing the thanks posts within a thread. | 15:29 |
| lcuk | to see how a moderated version would look | 15:29 |
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| lardman | just remove tmo from the karma calc ;) | 15:29 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:29 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: heh | 15:29 |
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| lcuk | :D wow it works | 15:30 |
| lcuk | just not for lardman | 15:30 |
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| * Jaffa gets annoyed when someone (Quim in this case) cuts off a discussion with "you're repeating what's been discussed in brainstorm and tmo", when -community is the obviously superior place since it's followed by bergie et al | 15:31 | |
| lardman | and since most of us can't be arsed to follow 40-odd pages of >90% waffle in TMO anyway ;) | 15:31 |
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| lardman | so what do Openpeak.com do? | 15:31 |
| guardian | with maemo 5, is GTK still used? | 15:32 |
| lardman | yes | 15:32 |
| guardian | but applications will be able to use Qt? | 15:32 |
| guardian | at least it's how i understood it | 15:32 |
| lardman | they are able to do so, yes | 15:32 |
| mikhas | guardian, there is #qt-maemo | 15:32 |
| lardman | but then they are also able in Diablo | 15:32 |
| lardman | mikhas: really? | 15:33 |
| mikhas | the topic links will answer most of your questions already | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | lardman: ..and I'm still not convinced about Brainstorm being anything other than the idiocy of crowds (perhaps other Brainstorms are better, but the concept seems so useless) | 15:33 |
| lardman | Jaffa: I never look at it | 15:33 |
| guardian | i'm about to revamp an input method module for maemo that i coded with GTK back in time, am I better off continuing using GTK for this purpose? | 15:33 |
| lardman | seems to me to be some sort of forum, and why do we need another? | 15:33 |
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| mikhas | guardian, if your app is GTK, then continue using GTK, it is only small changes | 15:34 |
| lardman | guardian: probably as we don;'t know what the input framework looks like for Qt do we? | 15:34 |
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| mikhas | *if* it is only small changes, I mean | 15:34 |
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| mikhas | only switch to qt if you intend a full port anyway | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | guardian: yes, if it's HIM | 15:35 |
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| guardian | lardman: i don't know either what the input framework looks like for Qt -- i wasn't sure maemo 5 was built around hildon, it has been a long time since i didn't really follow what's going on with maemo :/ | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | lardman: It's a forum with limited replies, voting on unimplementable solutions and no ability to edit solutions as ideas progress (crucial in a real brainstorm), discussion (crucial in a real brainstorm), consensus building (...) and the recognition of who is the expert (...) | 15:35 |
| PolarFox | mmmh... Does anyone know why maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org apt repo doesn't include all files? | 15:36 |
| lardman | Jaffa: in which case I'm glad I ignore it | 15:36 |
| lardman | :) | 15:36 |
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| PolarFox | ubuntu repo that is ;) | 15:36 |
| PolarFox | maemo-sdk deb is missing for example :) | 15:36 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Indeed. WHich is why I ignore it too. | 15:36 |
| lardman | Anyway, back to the important things, the Joggler, which is apparently a rebranded Openpeak device | 15:37 |
| guardian | and to newcomers to the maemo platform, wanting to code an app from scratch? what do you suggest here? go GTK or go Qt? | 15:37 |
| lardman | openpeak also do an opentablet, which looks cool | 15:37 |
| lardman | though are they just a design house or somesuch? | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | OEM | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | guardian: Gtk for now, although there's been a new version of Qt announced today. | 15:37 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: ok | 15:38 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: I like the Joggler, but would be better not tired to a socket | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:38 |
| lardman | s/tired/tied | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | it is a different device but still nice :) | 15:38 |
| guardian | Jaffa: thx for your opinion | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | Joggler's similar to a slimmer Chumby | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | ? | 15:38 |
| PolarFox | onion_: Come on... help me out here ;) | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | guardian: np | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | joggler's 7" | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | Interesting. | 15:39 |
| guardian | Jaffa: today's Qt announcement is precisely what made me think about my old maemo devs again :) | 15:39 |
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| lardman | was there an announcement today then? | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | guardian: Qt's still in flux, whereas Gtk/Hildon is mature | 15:39 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: New Qt 4.6 IIRC | 15:39 |
| mikhas | guardian, link? | 15:40 |
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| lardman | ok, the one Maemo 6 will use? | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | mikhas: I saw it on pmo/Twitter | 15:40 |
| guardian | Jaffa: but GTK doesn't compete with Qt when it's about the new animation features etc it seems -- if I had to stay with GTK then I would use clutter | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | lardman: yup | 15:41 |
| guardian | mikhas: link to? | 15:41 |
| mikhas | ah ok | 15:41 |
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| lardman | anyone got the url of the announcement, or was it a gitorious thing? | 15:41 |
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| guardian | lardman: it's on the Qt blog | 15:42 |
| lardman | ok | 15:42 |
| plr_ | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/12/01/qt-460-released-early-due-to-good-behaviour/ | 15:42 |
| RST38h | <YAWN> What? Where? What announcement? | 15:42 |
| lbt | http://qt.nokia.com/about/news/nokia-releases-qt-4.6 | 15:42 |
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| guardian | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/12/01/qt-for-maemo-5-next-iteration/ | 15:43 |
| guardian | mikhas: was it the link to the announcement that you wanted? | 15:43 |
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| lardman | thanks chaps | 15:44 |
| dneary | hi | 15:44 |
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| dneary | anyone here have any insights into stuff which should go onto a "Creating digital media with Maemo" wiki page? | 15:44 |
| RST38h | dneary: "Camera still sucks in anything but bright sunlight" | 15:45 |
| lardman | RST38h: camera or autofocus? | 15:45 |
| lardman | works for me | 15:45 |
| dneary | I need links to things like taking & sharing photos, using the phone as a drawing tablet, taking video, video editing if that exists, transcoding & streaming, using the TV Out | 15:45 |
| lardman | hey dneary | 15:45 |
| dneary | Recording audio, making podcasts, anything like that | 15:45 |
| RST38h | lardman: Camera | 15:45 |
| lcuk | dneary, i think you should put some digital media into the wiki page about "creating digital media with maemo" | 15:45 |
| * lcuk is seeing content creation happen every minute | 15:46 | |
| zaheerm | mostly in shipping threads ;) | 15:46 |
| dneary | See http://wiki.maemo.org/Creating_media | 15:46 |
| lcuk | lol thats entropy | 15:47 |
| Jaffa | zaheerm: "content"?! | 15:47 |
| * Jaffa swims | 15:47 | |
| lcuk | dneary, wiki is itself digital media | 15:47 |
| zaheerm | Jaffa, i never said good content :) | 15:47 |
| lcuk | irc | 15:47 |
| dneary | lcuk, Happy to! Do you know how to embed YouTube or Vimeo video in a wiki page? | 15:47 |
| lcuk | content creation on the go | 15:47 |
| lcuk | dont know if you can dneary | 15:47 |
| lcuk | but digital media doesnt have to be complex | 15:47 |
| lcuk | its as simple as ascii text | 15:47 |
| dneary | lcuk, I'm aiming for beginner material | 15:47 |
| dneary | It seems to me that all the wiki docs so far have been to answer the question "how can I make my N900 do what it wasn't designed to do?" and not so much "What can I do with my N900?" | 15:48 |
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| dneary | lcuk, If you don't mind, I'd like to limit the page to audio, video, graphics and perhaps rich text? | 15:49 |
| lcuk | then you are missing one of the most vibrant parts of content on the n900. conversations and text messages. the written word is one of our finest forms of communication | 15:50 |
| toggles_w | are any suppliers shipping reliably in the US aside from possibly nokia? | 15:50 |
| lcuk | people use n900 now to send hundreds of messages to loved ones and friends every day | 15:51 |
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| lcuk | if thats not using it now for what it needs i dont know what is | 15:51 |
| hrw|afk | lardman: readed? | 15:51 |
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| DangerMaus | toggles_w, i ordered yesterday from nokiausa and it will be in muy hands by 3pm today as far as others i hear horror stories | 15:54 |
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| DangerMaus | and seem to still be stuck on preorders or not selling atm | 15:54 |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 <---- Still require some testers or vote ! | 15:55 |
| RST38h | dneary: "What can I do" thing should be answered in the user' smanual, no? | 15:55 |
| toggles_w | DangerMaus: thanks mate, website or phone? | 15:55 |
| DangerMaus | website and took 1-3 day delivery | 15:56 |
| toggles_w | DangerMaus: thanks again! | 15:56 |
| DangerMaus | but they say phone prob the same | 15:56 |
| DangerMaus | np | 15:56 |
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| hrw|afk | ~curse Harald Fernengel for crappy qt packages | 15:57 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Harald Fernengel for crappy qt packages ! | 15:57 |
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| DangerMaus | if you credit card messes up on the site they have the credit card security set realy high | 15:57 |
| toggles_w | DangerMaus: one more q, is there the $50 rebate with that? | 15:57 |
| DangerMaus | i didnt see it on the nokia site but at this point i didnt care i just didnt want to wait till 2010 or end of the month | 15:58 |
| toggles_w | ok, thanks | 15:58 |
| dneary | RST38h, Except we're getting lots of people asking "what can I do?" questions | 15:58 |
| DangerMaus | qwe will see if there is anything in the box | 15:58 |
| dneary | Or, not finding answers to simple stuff like "how can I record video?" | 15:58 |
| yannj_fr | Khertan : one more vote for PyGTKEditor... | 15:58 |
| dneary | For example, me | 15:58 |
| Khertan | yannj_fr: thanks ! | 15:59 |
| Lynoure | dneary: that took some wondering at Maemo summit already :) | 15:59 |
| DangerMaus | toggles_w, only issue is if they have a store in your state like here the'll hit you for tax | 15:59 |
| Lynoure | the GUI is not always the most intuitive. | 15:59 |
| dneary | Lynoure, My point exactly | 15:59 |
| dneary | It's something I bet we all struggled with first time, and yet no-one's written a nice little tutorial yet | 15:59 |
| Lynoure | dneary: I have not yet figured out how to use the front camera =) | 15:59 |
| Lynoure | Not that I have tried very hard. | 15:59 |
| dneary | Lynoure, Normally, it's as easy as "open the lens" | 16:00 |
| toggles_w | DangerMaus: in pa, don't thinks sp | 16:00 |
| dneary | Lynoure, And the camera app starts up on its own | 16:00 |
| Lynoure | dneary: front camera has nothing to open | 16:00 |
| DangerMaus | heh | 16:00 |
| zaheerm | dneary, he means the front one not the back one :) | 16:00 |
| Lynoure | dneary: only the back one. | 16:00 |
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| Lynoure | zaheerm: she, but yeah :) | 16:00 |
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| hrw | optifying maemo5 can result in nicely fucked system... | 16:01 |
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| zaheerm | Lynoure, gst-launch v4l2camsrc ! ffmpegcolorspace ! videoscale ! xvimagesink :) | 16:01 |
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| hrw | having 11 versions of libsqlite3 for example | 16:01 |
| zaheerm | Lynoure, sorry about that :) | 16:01 |
| zaheerm | Lynoure, you can also install the mirror app which i think is in extras-testing | 16:01 |
| Lynoure | zaheerm: heh :) | 16:01 |
| ccooke | hrw: ugh. how did that happen? | 16:01 |
| ccooke | it really shouldn't do that... | 16:01 |
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| hrw | ccooke: my maemosdk has now two libphonon libraries | 16:02 |
| hrw | two Qt libraries | 16:02 |
| Lynoure | zaheerm: does it allow actual taking of photos as well? Or just, you know, mirroring? | 16:02 |
| hrw | and all that from official repositories (extras/extras-devel) | 16:02 |
| dneary | zaheerm, The one with the lens is on the front | 16:02 |
| hrw | ccooke: "apt-get install libqt4-dev libqt4-maemo5-dev" | 16:02 |
| dneary | zaheerm, The big screen is on the back | 16:02 |
| zaheerm | Lynoure, at the moment it doesn't seem worth taking a photo with the front camera... | 16:03 |
| fiferboy | hrw: Those qt libraries can be used at the same time | 16:03 |
| zaheerm | dneary, depends on your orientation ;) | 16:03 |
| * rEv9 finally got his N900 <3 | 16:03 | |
| dneary | Why do I have front & back differently to you? | 16:03 |
| dneary | When I'm taking a picture, I'm behind the camera, not in front of it, no? | 16:03 |
| lardman | why not little & large? | 16:03 |
| Lynoure | zaheerm: for selfportrait, in order to add an image to an IM. (gosh, this sounds much more girly than I am) | 16:03 |
| lardman | Lynoure: lol | 16:04 |
| zaheerm | when i use the phone, i usually have the screen as the front :) | 16:04 |
| dneary | zaheerm, But when you're taking pictures, it's not a phone is it? | 16:04 |
| zaheerm | Lynoure, it is doable but the quality currently is really bad | 16:04 |
| hrw | fiferboy: sure, either can 11 copies of libsqlite3 | 16:04 |
| zaheerm | dneary, yes but when referring to parts on the phone, you're at the time not taking a picture :) | 16:05 |
| fiferboy | hrw: True. And at least one of those sqlite3 libraries seems messed up | 16:05 |
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| * tru want it's N900 as well. | 16:05 | |
| fiferboy | The one for qt 4.5 gives me weird column orders sometimes. The 4.6 one has worked well so far | 16:05 |
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| Venomrush | the Recording app uses WAV | 16:06 |
| hrw | tru: I want maemo6 device to be released. maybe this will free some n900s for ddp | 16:06 |
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| Venomrush | what the audio format of the recording from the video? | 16:06 |
| tru | hrw: hehe. | 16:06 |
| hrw | fiferboy: so far it looks like my app works with qt4.5 packages and fails with qt4.6 ones (works with any on desktop) | 16:06 |
| hrw | fiferboy: time to wait for device and develop only for desktop for now | 16:07 |
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| fiferboy | hrw: Do you know what the issue with 4.6 is? I had to change where I initialized my resource file to get it to work | 16:07 |
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| dneary | zaheerm, Camera lenses are parts of the camera, though :) | 16:08 |
| dneary | Anyway - let's not fight | 16:08 |
| zaheerm | dneary, agreed, very not worth the argument ;) | 16:09 |
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| dneary | Let's agree to call the small camera for Skype the back camera | 16:09 |
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| zaheerm | lol | 16:09 |
| lardman | Sub/Multi-megapixel camera | 16:09 |
| hrw | fiferboy: no, I do not know. I know that sqliteDB does not work out of box | 16:09 |
| sp3000 | user-facing :) | 16:09 |
| sp3000 | well, unless the user turns the thing around, but, hey | 16:10 |
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| lardman | user-facing-when-not-taking-self-portrait? | 16:10 |
| fiferboy | hrw: Hmm, that is strange. I have had a better experience with 4.6 sqlite. | 16:10 |
| Lynoure | lardman: actually, even then. | 16:10 |
| andre__ | is the wiki down or is it just me? | 16:10 |
| fiferboy | hrw: libqt4-maemo5-sql-sqlite is installed I assume? | 16:10 |
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| Lynoure | lardman: or, well, depends what you call your "self" =) | 16:10 |
| * lardman goes back to big/little multi/sub megapixel | 16:11 | |
| Venomrush | Nokia got in trouble with Nintendo for showing off SNES on the N900 - http://www.intomobile.com/2009/12/01/nokia-got-in-trouble-with-nintendo-for-showing-off-snes-on-the-n900-maemo.html | 16:11 |
| sp3000 | what if you're taking pictures of other users? | 16:11 |
| Lynoure | main and auxiliary, for me. | 16:12 |
| hrw | fiferboy: now yes | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | You can plug in a new camera in principle. | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | (if you could find an alternative with compatible footprint and size) | 16:13 |
| hrw | export PATH=/opt/something:/opt/other/:/opt/yetanother:/opt/thisonetoo:/opt/and/do/not/forget/about/me:$PATH | 16:13 |
| hrw | ARHGDGE@!@#! | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a removable (main) camera | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: you shouldn't have to use /opt in paths at all? | 16:13 |
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| andre__ | ah. works again. | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | it symlinks from /usr/whatever into /opt/somewhere | 16:13 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: tell that to Qt4-maemo5 maintainer | 16:13 |
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| andre__ | bug 6474, eh? | 16:14 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6474 libqt4-dev ships libphonon.so symlink but do not depend on libphonon-dev package | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: don't tell me he did a /configure --prefix=/opt? | 16:14 |
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| lopz | hi ;] | 16:14 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: did not looked at it | 16:14 |
| suihkulokki | pst. at #qt-maemo one is more likely to get better maemo qt advice | 16:14 |
| hrw | andre__: should be new bug but I am lazy | 16:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Venomrush: the difference is the kontorri did that in his free time.. | 16:15 |
| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/tmp/pic12.jpg - qt 4.5, http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/tmp/pic13.jpg - qt 4.6 | 16:15 |
| hrw | ARGH | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | 4.5 is the community one and 4.6 is the 'official' one? | 16:17 |
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| fiferboy | Stskeeps: Yes | 16:17 |
| plr_ | Stskeeps: yes | 16:17 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 16:17 |
| fiferboy | It is bizarre that I have the opposite problem of hrw, with 4.6 having better sqlite (on the device) | 16:18 |
| Lynoure | hrw: Hey you. Obviously you poke around with maemo and qt, what would you recommend as a tutorial/starting point for getting into that? | 16:19 |
| hrw | fiferboy: after installing it by hand it works | 16:19 |
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| hrw | Lynoure: 1. forget about maemo, develop on your desktop. 2. use Qt-Designer for UI work. 3. test on maemo only when it works and you want to adapt UI | 16:20 |
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| hrw | Lynoure: otherwise you will loose lot of time | 16:20 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 16:20 | |
| timeless_mbp | so there are all sorts of funnies in this map | 16:20 |
| mikhas | Lynoure, I'd recommend the maemo examples in the x11-maemo repo: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/x11-maemo | 16:20 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: hmm? | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: open the clock app | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | tap on world time | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | tap add | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | tap the magnifier | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | enter 'kanton' | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | (if you aren't using enus/enus1/engb/engb1, then fix your locale first...) | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | read the time zone | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | tap done | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | look at the map | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | get back to me | 16:22 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: east of Australia | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | and what time zone? | 16:22 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: for me it says -7 in both cases. | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, where is -7 on a map? | 16:24 |
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| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: not very far, and I have no idea what zone they actually use there. | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | is here near australia? | 16:26 |
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| lardman | Is Adelaide's timezone now included? | 16:27 |
| thiago | my N900 cannot resolve any hostname, even though it's connected to the wireless and I can ping the DNS servers | 16:27 |
| lardman | 8.5h or somesuch | 16:27 |
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| thiago | I can confirm from another machine that the DNS servers are working | 16:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | lardman: i'm going to post a script and maps for comparison | 16:28 |
| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: reasonably, yeah, -8 for Pitcairn is closer, though. | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: i have a router that corrupts my DNS packets | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | Lynoure: um | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | -7 is somewhere in the USA | 16:28 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: it's not the router | 16:28 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: it's dnsmasq somehow | 16:28 |
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| Lynoure | timeless_mbp: timezones seem weirder than I realize, I had no idea there was GMT+14 or GMT+13:45 | 16:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | timezones are fun | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | but getting timezones right is important | 16:29 |
| Lynoure | anything with abs > 12 seems suspect. | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and sticking guam in the continental us | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | or confusing the continental us (phoenix, AZ) with the pacific (phoenix islands) | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | is a problem | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, lemme push this so people can play | 16:30 |
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| DangerMaus | haha | 16:31 |
| Lynoure | hrw, mikhas: thanks. | 16:31 |
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| hrw | Lynoure: maemoization of application is mostly UI related so you can leave it for end of work | 16:32 |
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| VDVsx | Announcement: December sprint meeting is about to start at #maemo-meeting | 16:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/n900.html | 16:35 |
| Lynoure | hrw: my problem is that the app is a tad complex and I'll want to have some preliminary versions on the device so that I can use some parts of it before the whole thing is done. Is that doomed? | 16:35 |
| thiago | how does dnsmasq work? | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | that's the map that shipped w/ the n900 | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | and the data it had | 16:35 |
| hrw | Lynoure: not doomed | 16:37 |
| hrw | Lynoure: maemo5 part of work is mostly adapting UI to very small resolution | 16:37 |
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| RST38h | iPhone fans vindicated: http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/01/nokia-asks-own-blog-readers-whats-their-favorite-part-of-the-x6/ | 16:38 |
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| hrw | Lynoure: as you have space just for few widgets on screen at same time | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/n900-tz.html | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | for people curious about timezones | 16:38 |
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| * thiago is really lost about this DNS problem | 16:39 | |
| * Flandry yawns | 16:39 | |
| thiago | tcpdump available for fremantle? | 16:39 |
| thiago | or strace? | 16:40 |
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| Flandry | Anyone want to b0rk their N900 testing my accelerometer joystick driver? | 16:40 |
| * javispedro notes that there's a light rail that connects his uni and where the maebar is being hosted literally door to door | 16:40 | |
| serenity | anyone an idea how to prevent xyphyr to use ctrl+shift to keep focus? | 16:40 |
| * Flandry is jealous | 16:41 | |
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| kalikianatoli | Flandry, how do you implement fire buttons with an accelerometer? | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: strace is in tools iirc | 16:43 |
| kalikianatoli | or do you rely on the touch screen for that? | 16:43 |
| Flandry | i haven't done that | 16:43 |
| Flandry | so far it's just a 2-axis | 16:43 |
| Flandry | i intend to capture proximity sensor and maybe camera button in future | 16:44 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 16:44 | |
| kalikianatoli | I would be interested in an accelerometer joystick if it could do buttons, since that's what easily becomes awkward if you have to hit certain keys | 16:44 |
| Flandry | and also gestures | 16:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Can someone here point to Caracas, Venezuela? | 16:44 |
| * Flandry points south | 16:45 | |
| Flandry | well if you don't have to use arrow keys, hitting a key for buttons is much less onerous | 16:45 |
| * papo points west | 16:46 | |
| Flandry | the current app has enter and left shift as buttons | 16:46 |
| Flandry | and space | 16:46 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: unfortunatelly I can't install anything until I solve the DNS problem | 16:46 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, buttons aside, is it an app or can it be used on existing games? | 16:47 |
| Flandry | it's currently bundled with uqm but it's a general solution for games that use the joystick port because it emulates one | 16:47 |
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| javispedro | is this the one using uinput? | 16:47 |
| Flandry | yeah | 16:48 |
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| kalikianatoli | Flandry, then I'd like to try it if you put it somewhere | 16:48 |
| Flandry | for now it's just part of the default control scheme for uqm. Once it gets debugged there i'll probably make it into a package of its own | 16:49 |
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| Flandry | need to make sure it can even install right still :) | 16:49 |
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| Flandry | the problem with testing it is that scratchbox only goes so far at emulating a system | 16:53 |
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| javispedro | scratchbox, emulate what? | 16:53 |
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| Flandry | meh you know what i mean | 16:53 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, you don't have a device? | 16:53 |
| javispedro | it's not an emulator. | 16:53 |
| kalikianatoli | lol | 16:54 |
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| javispedro | if you are injecting events in uinput, you are injecting them ON YOUR HOST SYSTEM... | 16:54 |
| pablo_ | Where i find packages MySql for Maemo ?? | 16:54 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: got it, thanks | 16:54 |
| Flandry | yes, which has separate udev rules, for example, than scratchbox env | 16:54 |
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| javispedro | exactly :) | 16:54 |
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| Flandry | and different user groups | 16:55 |
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| kalikianatoli | pablo_, apt-cache search mysql | 16:55 |
| javispedro | ah, slashdot got "The Great Emu Mess" story. | 16:56 |
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| Flandry | i set the joystick bindings in uqm by feeding specific values to the dummy accelerometer file | 16:57 |
| Flandry | It does work, i just don't know if the current deb will install correctly on an n900 | 16:57 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, you can give me a .deb and I can test it | 16:58 |
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| Flandry | it's on extras-devel | 16:58 |
| Flandry | please do :) | 16:58 |
| wazd | ~seen fiferboy | 16:58 |
| kalikianatoli | ah, I thought you had a different package that's not in devel | 16:58 |
| infobot | fiferboy is currently on #maemo (58m). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 40m 45s, last said: 'It is bizarre that I have the opposite problem of hrw, with 4.6 having better sqlite (on the device)'. | 16:58 |
| kalikianatoli | I'll check the one in devel in a minute | 16:59 |
| wazd | ohoh :) | 16:59 |
| wazd | fiferboy: heya :) | 16:59 |
| wazd | and hello all btw :) | 16:59 |
| Flandry | hi wazd | 16:59 |
| fiferboy | hi wazd | 16:59 |
| fiferboy | wazd: How's it going? | 16:59 |
| qwerty12 | Hiya, wazd | 16:59 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: fine, where have you been? :) | 17:00 |
| wazd | fiferboy: congrats with new Olmsted in your family btw :) | 17:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | Flandry / papo : ask the world clock :) | 17:00 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Thanks. Yeah, I've been a bit busy lately :) | 17:00 |
| wazd | fiferboy: yeah, same for me | 17:01 |
| * Shapeshifter has seen an n900 poster in the city today | 17:01 | |
| papo | timeless_mbp: well you know... I'm still waiting for the device :) | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/clutter_0_8/commit/2c8f021 | 17:02 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: ouch! | 17:03 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: 4_4_4_4 DOES require packed_pixels! | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: feel free to comment | 17:03 |
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| javispedro | i see there was activity on the bug | 17:04 |
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| * javispedro can read where from his original post it could be induced that 4_4_4_4 came with GL 1.2.. sorry | 17:04 | |
| Flandry | hey cool, so no more blue<->red in SDL in SDK? | 17:06 |
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| javispedro | hopefully :) | 17:06 |
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| * w00t notes that lcuk must be addicted to tmo | 17:07 | |
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| lcuk | mmm w00t ? | 17:07 |
| w00t | I'm seeing you lurking in just about every thread I'm reading on there. :P | 17:07 |
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| Klowner | aaaah, it's 30mins away at the fedex facility | 17:08 |
| lcuk | you shouldnt | 17:08 |
| qwerty12 | That just means one of you is a stalker | 17:08 |
| lcuk | im not onany atm | 17:08 |
| lcuk | but i watch the vaispy | 17:08 |
| lcuk | so i see posts as they happen on all topics | 17:08 |
| w00t | qwerty12: I'm no stalker, I just happen to like standing outside your window | 17:09 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, OK, not so worried anymore :-) | 17:09 |
| * w00t licks qwerty12's window longingly | 17:09 | |
| * Flandry wonders why w00t is stalking lcuk AND qwerty12 | 17:10 | |
| * qwerty12 sprays H1N1 on his window | 17:10 | |
| lcuk | w00t, this is the page i use http://talk.maemo.org/vaispy.php | 17:10 |
| * w00t looks shifty | 17:10 | |
| lcuk | w00t stalks everyone | 17:10 |
| w00t | lcuk: woah. | 17:10 |
| * lcuk curses his n900 | 17:10 | |
| * w00t bookmarks | 17:10 | |
| Flandry | hey cool | 17:11 |
| lcuk | yeah, so thats how i appear to be stalking without actually doing much | 17:11 |
| Flandry | that's new to me tto | 17:11 |
| lcuk | if a thread takes my fancy i click | 17:11 |
| javispedro | lcuk has liqtmo which automatically reads all threads for him then proceeds to digest the interesting stuff :) | 17:11 |
| qwerty12 | Talk is funny, actually. If you're not logged in and click on someone's profile, you can see what they're doing, but if you are logged in, you can't... | 17:11 |
| lcuk | nahh javispedro i have irc to do that | 17:12 |
| lcuk | someone inevitably complains about a thread or other | 17:12 |
| javispedro | touché :) | 17:12 |
| w00t | qwerty12: just like people not making sense off talk complain about people on talk not making sense | 17:12 |
| * Flandry suspects that the Grand Unified Theory is also found somewhere on m.o. if he just knew how to find it. | 17:12 | |
| * w00t ducks and runs | 17:12 | |
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| w00t | hm | 17:12 |
| qwerty12 | Heh | 17:12 |
| w00t | I suspect I didn't actually make sense with that comment | 17:12 |
| w00t | oh, the irony :( | 17:12 |
| qwerty12 | No comment | 17:12 |
| * w00t grmbl | 17:12 | |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: :P seems that indeed 4_4_4_4 comes with packed pixels too, so I will shut up and thank you :) | 17:13 |
| javispedro | s/packed pixels/1.2 err... | 17:13 |
| javispedro | :P | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a way to have the thumbnails of pages on the desktop be semi-live? | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - I'd like a yr.no page - which updates every 4 hours. | 17:13 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, you mean like a government minister? | 17:13 |
| Flandry | you mean zombie-like? | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | But I don't want the browser footprint for the whole time | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | (weather page) | 17:14 |
| lcuk | omweather | 17:14 |
| lcuk | surprisingly has nifty things to do that for you | 17:14 |
| Flandry | it's called a widget i think | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | What's omweathers data source? | 17:14 |
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| lcuk | mother nature i believe | 17:14 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk's weather machine | 17:15 |
| * SpeedEvil covers lcuk in golden syrup, and places him on an anthill in brazil. | 17:15 | |
| qwerty12 | But as it's in the North, it's always set to "rain" | 17:15 |
| lcuk | stop highlighting me anyway im trying to flash device | 17:15 |
| * lcuk is wearing a mac | 17:15 | |
| dneary | anyone else think that gcobb's fart application is a sure-fire winner? | 17:15 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: Why are you flashing the device? | 17:15 |
| javispedro | we have a fart app already? | 17:16 |
| javispedro | that makes two! | 17:16 |
| qwerty12 | dneary: Only if he includes a goatse picture to go with it | 17:16 |
| wazd | fiferboy: I have another idea for clock applet | 17:16 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: we should have one more layer in front of all | 17:16 |
| qwerty12 | Now I'm tempted to write a fart app with a goatse picture... | 17:16 |
| wazd | fiferboy: for "glass" effect for example | 17:16 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Sounds reasonable | 17:16 |
| lcuk | oh crap thanks wazd, you just reminded me of something i have to remove | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | qwerty12: Clearly it should be a transition effect. | 17:17 |
| wazd | lcuk: np :D | 17:17 |
| qwerty12 | SpeedEvil: Like having the app expand from the middle | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | qwerty12: Every new window, a pair of hands come in from screen left and right, and open the window - morphed into a circular shape until it approaches the size of the screen as the hands stretch it, finishing off rectangular, and dissapearing off the edges. | 17:18 |
| Flandry | creepy | 17:18 |
| v2px_ | reminds me of goatse | 17:18 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, you have clearly been investigating goatse far too closely | 17:18 |
| lcuk | however did i miss the fact he was actually a cleverly disguised window manager | 17:19 |
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| dmj7261 | I was comparing the n900 to another music player on Saturday... | 17:20 |
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| dmj7261 | ...it didn't hold up | 17:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I investigated weather.com, and it sucks - comparatively. | 17:20 |
| lcuk | i really want a big butto non omweather "WRONG!" so when i look out the window and see what its actually doing i can click it and send real info | 17:21 |
| dmj7261 | of course the other music player was a symphony orchestra :P | 17:21 |
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| Flandry | lcuk: that would be awesome | 17:23 |
| zaheerm | lcuk, that'd be great, it was 1 degrees C this morning, omweather said 7 :) | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/long.html - I find much more accurate | 17:24 |
| * lcuk nods | 17:24 | |
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| zaheerm | SpeedEvil, i hope not, i platy footy tonight and it says rain and 3 degrees c for london :( | 17:24 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, surprisingly, i find the glenrothes weather maps to be more accurate for manchester too, thanks for the tip | 17:25 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, seems like the repo is partly down, I'll try it later in the evening | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 17:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | I like the fact they also do XML | 17:26 |
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| Flandry | kalikianatoli: typical. Thanks and let me know what happens. | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/varsel.xml | 17:26 |
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| * Jaffa has kicked off another "ML better than tmo" rant sub-thread. Oops | 17:42 | |
| Jaffa | and a suggestion by Texrat that we're in a decision-making impasse. | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N900 performs rather decent, afaict after 20h :-) | 17:46 |
| ccooke | Jaffa: ML? | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | ccooke: mailing lists | 17:47 |
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| * Jaffa particularly fond of when he's sat in Center Parcs for 4 mins on a seat with free wifi | 17:48 | |
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| toggles_w | i quit, nokiausa.com can suck my bawls.. | 17:53 |
| wazd | omweather is an app, not weather provider | 17:54 |
| wazd | so you can't make any buttons connected to forecast change | 17:55 |
| DangerMaus | crediy card not working? | 17:55 |
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| DangerMaus | toggles_w, credit card not working? | 17:58 |
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| Shapeshifter | DangerMaus: you got your device? | 18:00 |
| toggles_w | DangerMaus: yeah, called hsbc, they authorised it 4 times, nokia web and their call center wont take it, tried another card too, no go, guess they don't want my money.. | 18:00 |
| Klowner | out for deliverrrrrrry | 18:00 |
| DangerMaus | very close Shapeshifter out for delivery | 18:00 |
| Shapeshifter | heh | 18:00 |
| Shapeshifter | my shop told me they'd receive their first batch today. seems like they were lying xD | 18:00 |
| Klowner | Now I'm afraid to go take a shower | 18:00 |
| Shapeshifter | not that I didn't expect that. | 18:01 |
| Flandry | is N900 little endian? | 18:01 |
| DangerMaus | oh geez toggles_w ... lotta ppl having that issue with nokia and not just here UK also | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | Klowner: You in prison? | 18:01 |
| Klowner | qwerty12: lol, no, I'm afraid I'll miss the fedex person | 18:01 |
| Klowner | I'll get out of the shower all squeaky clean only to discover one of those "we missed you" stickers on the door | 18:01 |
| Klowner | then I'll dramatically drop to my knees and scream at the heavens | 18:02 |
| feri | Jaffa: ping | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | That would suck :\ | 18:02 |
| * toggles_w is looking at tickets to chicago for the weekend, buy in person.. | 18:02 | |
| Klowner | toggles_w: I considered the same thing on saturday/sunday, though it's only a 3hr drive for me | 18:02 |
| DangerMaus | Klowner, at that point you jump in the car about 3pm and head to the fedex terminal and bring the tracking # and id and the'll get it off the truck for you i do it all the time | 18:03 |
| Klowner | DangerMaus: true, I've done that so many times | 18:03 |
| ShadowJK | Flandry, yes | 18:04 |
| Klowner | but with fedex I have to drive clear across the mississippi and it's a hassle | 18:04 |
| Flandry | takes a lot of faith too | 18:04 |
| * DangerMaus is in chicago but didnt feel like going downtown | 18:04 | |
| toggles_w | i suppose i could have it delivered to the billing address and work from home that day | 18:04 |
| DangerMaus | rofl Klowner | 18:04 |
| toggles_w | DangerMaus: do they have them in store? | 18:05 |
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| Klowner | they had a demo unit hiding in a cupboard at the Chicago store almost 3 weeks ago | 18:05 |
| DangerMaus | toggles_w, you got an alternate delivery addy set up to deliver to with your CC company? | 18:05 |
| * toggles_w should call before booking plane tickets.. | 18:05 | |
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| DangerMaus | ahhh nvm | 18:06 |
| DangerMaus | didnt see the work from home thing | 18:06 |
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| DangerMaus | wait got your work addy as an alt delivery addy? | 18:07 |
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| toggles_w | i always have stuff sent here, never been a problem before | 18:08 |
| toggles_w | it's weird, anyway plane tickets are too expensive, ill do the work from home thing ;-) | 18:08 |
| DangerMaus | nokia is doing strict checkiing even more than newegg | 18:08 |
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| toggles_w | is newegg shipping? | 18:08 |
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| DangerMaus | no | 18:09 |
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| DangerMaus | well | 18:09 |
| toggles_w | heh.. | 18:09 |
| DangerMaus | they didnt lastnight have any to buy | 18:09 |
| DangerMaus | but someone said still fubar there | 18:09 |
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| toggles_w | yeah, no buy button.. hmm. | 18:10 |
| DangerMaus | buy.com but prob still preorder | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | DangerMaus: They've been even more wacky for me. | 18:10 |
| DangerMaus | SpeedEvil, nokia or newegg? | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | DangerMaus: nokia.co.uk Ordered Oct 20, card charged Nov 23rd. Charge reversed on the 30th (it arrived shortly after) and today they take the money again. | 18:11 |
| DangerMaus | haharpofl | 18:11 |
| DangerMaus | rofl | 18:11 |
| DangerMaus | thought you got a freebe didnt you | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - I'd hoped - I wasn't expecting. | 18:12 |
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| julianoliver | ~abend | 18:14 |
| infobot | rumour has it, abend is abnormal end | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | ~nine edge | 18:15 |
| julianoliver | hmm. i'll put a man on the case. | 18:15 |
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| DangerMaus | sounds like a fedex truck | 18:17 |
| * Klowner runs upstairs | 18:17 | |
| DangerMaus | nope the diaper truck | 18:18 |
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| mece | I'm having some trouble initializing osso.Context() is there something I'm missing? | 18:23 |
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| mece | should this work: asdf = osso.Context("osso_asdf", 0.0.1, False) | 18:26 |
| mece | talking python here. | 18:26 |
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| mece | hmm ok, this api reference is ooold. Perhaps that's the problem.-.. | 18:27 |
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| DangerMaus | going close to the door | 18:28 |
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| * kalikianatoli wonders if the author of gcompris noticed that he messed up the sections | 18:33 | |
| qwerty12 | kalikianatoli: I'm gonna be laughing if he submits it to extras-testing | 18:34 |
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| qwerty12 | Ain't no way in hell you'll get someone to rate that many language packages | 18:34 |
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| kalikianatoli | maybe he just seeks lots of attention... | 18:36 |
| lardman | hmm, why is a single SMS 160 chars, but a double SMS is 304 chars? | 18:36 |
| lardman | s/304/306 | 18:36 |
| lardman | more info to stick it back together? | 18:37 |
| mece | lardman, Suppose there's some info telling that it's a two part.. | 18:37 |
| mece | right | 18:37 |
| lardman | yeah | 18:37 |
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| mikedg-blau | john told me that maemo sucks | 18:37 |
| mikedg-blau | wtf | 18:37 |
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| qwerty12 | John! That fucker! | 18:38 |
| lardman | death to the unbeliever! | 18:38 |
| lardman | qwerty12, hand me my sharpened chopsticks | 18:38 |
| * qwerty12 obliges | 18:38 | |
| * lardman takes aim at John | 18:38 | |
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| qwerty12 | All this time... It was John! | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | OK, seriously, who is John and why should we care? | 18:39 |
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| lardman | not any more...... ha! | 18:39 |
| lardman | indeed | 18:39 |
| lardman | so mikedg-blau, why would you believe john anyway? | 18:39 |
| _claesbas | lol | 18:40 |
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| mikedg-blau | i didnt | 18:40 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: do you know whether there are any image files available for the Joggler? | 18:40 |
| mikedg-blau | thats whyi came here | 18:40 |
| lardman | good lad :) | 18:40 |
| mikedg-blau | my maemo is still on order | 18:41 |
| mikedg-blau | at amazon | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: hmm? | 18:41 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: I would like to examine the traffic application | 18:41 |
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| lardman | hmm, they've shut down that site I see | 18:43 |
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| mikedg-blau | can i get a hell yeah! | 18:44 |
| Myrtti | shun the non-believer | 18:45 |
| Myrtti | shunnnnn | 18:45 |
| lardman | no, give him hell like he asks! | 18:45 |
| Myrtti | SHUNNNN | 18:46 |
| lardman | I've got a sore throat, can't shout back | 18:46 |
| lardman | you win ;) | 18:46 |
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| Myrtti | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4 CHARLIEEEEEEE | 18:46 |
| Myrtti | let's go to the CANDY MOUNTAIN! | 18:46 |
| Myrtti | adventure! | 18:46 |
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| DangerMaus | Klowner got it yet? | 18:48 |
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| Myrtti | SHUNNN THE NONBELIEVER! | 18:50 |
| lardman | Myrtti: you feeling ok? | 18:51 |
| Myrtti | why, yes. Thank you for asking. | 18:51 |
| lardman | np | 18:51 |
| jebbajeb | why is there so little space on /, when the device itself has *tons* of space? | 18:51 |
| Klowner | DangerMaus: nerp | 18:51 |
| DangerMaus | rootfs is on the 256mb NAND | 18:52 |
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| DangerMaus | with the boot and the kernel | 18:52 |
| jebbajeb | DangerMaus: ya, but they could have put some of that on the 32G too... Like /usr (similar to what they did with /opt). | 18:53 |
| jebbajeb | i installed just a "few" applications and the thing is full already. | 18:53 |
| DangerMaus | hehe | 18:53 |
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| jebbajeb | which means i can't even receive message | 18:53 |
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| DangerMaus | ummm did someone saysomething bout a reboot would clear some of the at out? | 18:54 |
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| jebbajeb | at? | 18:55 |
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| DangerMaus | that | 18:55 |
| lardman | not realistically | 18:55 |
| jebbajeb | 256M just aint so much space..... | 18:55 |
| greenfly | DangerMaus: I noticed a reboot cleaned up about 15Mb or so on /, but if you have a lot of devel software that hasn't been properly optified... | 18:55 |
| lardman | though does ubifs perform garbage collection on reboot? | 18:55 |
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| DangerMaus | i was just gonna wonder that greenfly if it was optified stuff or not | 18:56 |
| Klowner | dangit, just heard a thump but it must have been the cat | 18:56 |
| Shapeshifter | huh, messages are saved on that 256 space? | 18:56 |
| greenfly | DangerMaus: you can see how much space individual packages take up in the package manager when you go to the remove section | 18:56 |
| d4rkfe4r | Hello. I need some help with my n810. | 18:56 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: indeed, packages which have large files should be "optified" which means their large data files should be placed in /opt which is mounted elsewhere | 18:56 |
| DangerMaus | thnx greenfly | 18:56 |
| greenfly | DangerMaus: then in a console a dpkg -L packagename will tell you where the package installed its files | 18:57 |
| d4rkfe4r | When its checking for updates it stops half way | 18:57 |
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| DangerMaus | k | 18:57 |
| jebbajeb | Shapeshifter: not certain where they are stored, but once I filled / to 100%, it was constantly spamming the screen with "device full, no messages can be received/sent" or somesuch | 18:57 |
| lardman | greenfly: remember that the rootfs is compressed, so you won't get as much space back as it reports | 18:57 |
| greenfly | lardman: yeah, at first I was confused when I ran a du against / and noticed about 480mb used up :) | 18:58 |
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| jebbajeb | lardman, ya i saw that about /opt. But that seems to put an unnecessary burden on the developers to convert standard applications over. They have the space, they should use it sensibly... I mean the 256M should be for just /boot or similar.... | 18:58 |
| DangerMaus | why did they do suc a small nand | 18:58 |
| DangerMaus | such | 18:58 |
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| DangerMaus | or is that all that fit at design stage? | 18:59 |
| jebbajeb | they dont' really need a bigger NAND, they just need to use the available space more wisely. | 18:59 |
| greenfly | you could argue for /opt or /usr/local being a better place for all extra apps | 18:59 |
| greenfly | especially WRT the filesystem hierarchy standard | 18:59 |
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| DangerMaus | i used to wind up with apps all over the place on the 770 | 19:00 |
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| jebbajeb | well, why not just standard /usr though? I mean, the package manager can handle that correctly, plus it is where 99% of applications are expeting... | 19:00 |
| jebbajeb | expecting | 19:00 |
| lardman | well I imagine they assume people will have lots of media onboard | 19:00 |
| mikedg-blau | media schmedia | 19:00 |
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| greenfly | jebbajeb: check out the filesystem hierarchy standard for linux, specificially the sections on /opt and /usr/local | 19:00 |
| jebbajeb | greenfly: yes, and applications downloaded via apt and such should be in /usr | 19:01 |
| greenfly | jebbajeb: and you'll see that really /usr proper is for programs that come with the OS | 19:01 |
| lardman | also see the ml for the arguments about optification vs other options | 19:01 |
| greenfly | and that third-party apps should be either in /usr/local or /opt | 19:01 |
| jebbajeb | greenfly: and apps you "./configure; make ; make install" go into /usr/local | 19:01 |
| greenfly | jebbajeb: heh, that's not the standard | 19:01 |
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| jebbajeb | greenfly: debian, ubuntu, fedora, etc... ALLLLLLL of them install repository applications in /usr | 19:02 |
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| greenfly | the standard doesn't have to do with how the package is built but more whether the package is considered "part" of the distribution | 19:02 |
| jebbajeb | yes, and things in the repo are part of it. | 19:02 |
| jebbajeb | i mean, really. Conform to how debian does it, for example. | 19:02 |
| greenfly | in this case you could argue that EVERYTHING that doesn't come with maemo5 should go in /opt or /usr/local | 19:02 |
| d4rkfe4r | Hello. I need some help with my n810. When its checking for updates it stops half way. | 19:02 |
| jebbajeb | if I install gonvert or something in debian, it goes in /usr, not /opt. | 19:02 |
| jebbajeb | greenfly: well whatever. It's not how debian/ubuntu/fedora/etc do it. | 19:03 |
| Shapeshifter | nor arch | 19:03 |
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| greenfly | true, most people have a hard time applying that standard | 19:03 |
| greenfly | because it's easier for packagers to just put it in /usr | 19:03 |
| jebbajeb | i think you are reading it wrong. | 19:03 |
| greenfly | and not actually follow the standard | 19:03 |
| greenfly | and there's also a vague sense of what is "part" of the distribution and what isn't | 19:04 |
| Corsac | jebbajeb: if you install something in debian, it usually comes from debian anyway :) | 19:04 |
| greenfly | it's a bit more clear cut for the n900 though | 19:04 |
| greenfly | at a bare minimum I'd argue anything in the extras repo, test, or devel, would be considered 3rd party, not part of the core distro, and should go in /usr/local or /opt | 19:04 |
| greenfly | since maemo5 chose /opt instead of /usr/local, then /opt | 19:05 |
| lardman | mmm, frixio looks like it's ripe for webscraping, once I improve my technique | 19:05 |
| jebbajeb | Corsac: i'm talking about standard nokia/maemo repos here (no third party stuff) | 19:05 |
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| Corsac | yup | 19:06 |
| greenfly | jebbajeb: extras isn't a standard nokia repo IMO, it would follow the standard to consider it 3rd party | 19:06 |
| greenfly | since it's not enabled by default | 19:06 |
| Shapeshifter | I just had a look at the standard and I don't see where it says it's not okay to put "optional" apps there. | 19:06 |
| greenfly | and most of what people are complaining about is stuff in extras or generally stuff on maemo.org | 19:06 |
| jebbajeb | ok, well whatever. But in every other distro it's in /usr. | 19:06 |
| greenfly | in this case they are just being more explicit about this standard | 19:07 |
| greenfly | and encouraging that you use it, by giving you way more space there | 19:07 |
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| jebbajeb | and making devices fill up... | 19:07 |
| greenfly | not if you follow the standard | 19:07 |
| lardman | well it's not a big thing really is it, just means you change the configure params | 19:07 |
| jebbajeb | thankfully i know mke2fs, fdisk etc. But how do i get my non-tech friend in another hemesphere set up? | 19:07 |
| greenfly | I don't see why it's really hard to change where something gets installed | 19:08 |
| greenfly | if you are packaging it anyway | 19:08 |
| jebbajeb | greenfly: i'm not packaging it. | 19:08 |
| lardman | who is? | 19:08 |
| greenfly | all it does it add an extra sanity step, which IMO will probably help the quality of the apps that get ported | 19:08 |
| jebbajeb | i just enabled extras, installed a few things, and saw that i can't receive messages anymore, which seems not so wise. | 19:08 |
| greenfly | since someone has to spend 2 seconds thinking about the platform instead of just cross-compiling a x86 deb and calling it done | 19:08 |
| jebbajeb | ya, might as well throw an extra hurdle in front of them... | 19:09 |
| greenfly | it's a change in convention here | 19:09 |
| greenfly | noone will be complaining about it in maemo6 since all the apps will have conformed by then | 19:09 |
| greenfly | you are seeing growing pains now because some people just did a quick repackage of old maemo apps since they don't have an n900 yet | 19:10 |
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| greenfly | hopefully in the next couple of months you'll see devs repackage their stuff properly | 19:10 |
| greenfly | since, honestly, it's not /difficult/ to do it right | 19:10 |
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| greenfly | we are talking a different directory here | 19:10 |
| solarion | I need time to get gnumeric reported | 19:10 |
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| solarion | forking is a pain; integration is where it's at. | 19:11 |
| derf | greenfly: Spoken like someone who's never tried to convince autotools to do something "simple". | 19:11 |
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| jebbajeb | hha | 19:11 |
| greenfly | heh | 19:11 |
| jebbajeb | ya, i've had enough pain even getting apps to respect $DESTDIR... | 19:12 |
| greenfly | derf: hey I'm a /usr/local guy myself so IMO they should have done that, but noone asked me :) | 19:12 |
| jebbajeb | (building fedora RPMS) | 19:12 |
| jebbajeb | i think they should have done what fedora/redhat/debian/ubuntu/etc all do.... | 19:12 |
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| greenfly | jebbajeb: clearly they didn't have 2Gb of internal storage, they had 256 | 19:13 |
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| greenfly | so they had to choose some non-/ mount point for the 32Gb storage | 19:13 |
| greenfly | and since usb storage still generally expects vfat everywhere, they had to give the bulk up to that | 19:13 |
| greenfly | and carve up 2gb of it for an ext3 partition mounted somewhere for the bulk of the system storage (in this case in /opt) | 19:14 |
| greenfly | you can certainly argue it should have been mounted in /usr, or /usr/local instead | 19:14 |
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| greenfly | but (for various internal reasons that I'm sure their team argued about) they decided to go with /opt | 19:14 |
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| jebbajeb | heh. well, i can't even get the thing to power back on, so i'm extra noob at the moment ;) | 19:15 |
| greenfly | ya, that sucks :( | 19:15 |
| lardman | hold the power button down until the light comes on and the vibration motor goes | 19:16 |
| lardman | or have you broken it? | 19:16 |
| lardman | so are deps of promoted packages not being pulled in? | 19:16 |
| greenfly | really, I'm surprised the stuff in Extras isn't all optified yet, I'd expect that to be a prerequisite | 19:16 |
| lardman | greenfly: indeed | 19:16 |
| derf | If you put it in /usr, you can't reflash the device to get it back to a known working state. | 19:16 |
| derf | Which is _not_ something fedora/redhat/debian/ubuntu/etc ever had to worry about. | 19:17 |
| greenfly | derf: true, that's a really good point | 19:17 |
| lardman | hmm, is the promotion sequence devel -> testing -> extras? | 19:17 |
| derf | /usr/local might still have been a reasonable option. | 19:17 |
| lardman | I hope so as I just promoted mbarcode and I've no idea where to | 19:17 |
| greenfly | derf: IME most people use /usr/local and /opt interchangibly, the solaris guys like /opt and the Linux guys seem to like /usr/local | 19:18 |
| zaheerm | greenfly, what isn't optified in extras? | 19:18 |
| jebbajeb | you know under the battery there are like 10 gold "dots". Is that jtag, usb, serial, what? | 19:18 |
| greenfly | zaheerm: dunno, apparently something jebbajeb installed that filled up his / | 19:18 |
| zaheerm | jebbajeb, what did you install? | 19:18 |
| jebbajeb | greenfly: i installed a bunch from extras. supertux and vim (20 megs heh--when leafpad is like 900k). Anyway, that filled / | 19:19 |
| Shapeshifter | so, extra apps get installed in that 256 space? | 19:19 |
| derf | IME /usr/local gets added to paths and /opt doesn't. | 19:19 |
| jebbajeb | Shapeshifter: some do, some dont | 19:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | why do some? | 19:19 |
| derf | So I could just ./configure --prefix=/usr/local and be done. | 19:19 |
| jebbajeb | derf: --prefix=/opt ya. | 19:19 |
| greenfly | derf: yeah, I like /usr/local better myself, because it's just one extra entry to each path (library paths, binary paths, etc.) | 19:19 |
| derf | jebbajeb: Not if I want it to show up in the user's path. | 19:19 |
| jebbajeb | ASSUMING the ./configure script respects that, which many dont | 19:19 |
| lardman | derf: yeah I don't know why that wasn't chosen tbh | 19:19 |
| greenfly | derf: when in the /opt case each addition requires the path get longer | 19:19 |
| jebbajeb | I assume /opt/bin is in the $PATH too | 19:20 |
| derf | jebbajeb: You probably assume wrong. | 19:20 |
| greenfly | jebbajeb: it shouldn't be | 19:20 |
| Shapeshifter | but why this. | 19:20 |
| jebbajeb | actually it isnt | 19:20 |
| greenfly | as the standard in /opt is for each program to have its own named dir | 19:20 |
| greenfly | and then under that dir, there might be a bin, lib, etc. | 19:20 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: you should split the package so binaries are under /usr and data under /opt iirc | 19:20 |
| Shapeshifter | well. I'm all for /usr/local | 19:20 |
| Shapeshifter | and that should not be on the 256 partition. | 19:20 |
| lardman | Shapeshifter: too late | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | Shapeshifter, have you read the FHS? | 19:21 |
| greenfly | lardman: if you use /opt, everything for the package should be under a named dir in /opt | 19:21 |
| Shapeshifter | no I haven't. | 19:21 |
| Shapeshifter | but... | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | then you're missing some of the considerations | 19:21 |
| zaheerm | jebbajeb, so...supertux i know is optified | 19:21 |
| Shapeshifter | uhm. | 19:21 |
| lardman | greenfly: bar a shell script to call the binary, etc | 19:21 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: what is the "FHS"? | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | 19:21 |
| zaheerm | one problem is apt stores it's packages to / | 19:21 |
| greenfly | Shapeshifter: Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ | 19:21 |
| Shapeshifter | ahh. yes I've skimmed over it. | 19:21 |
| Shapeshifter | but, what does this have to do with maemo and the storage problem. | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | "The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when installing software locally. It needs to be safe from being overwritten when the system software is updated" | 19:22 |
| jebbajeb | zaheerm, supertux may be /opt. I was just listing some apps.... | 19:22 |
| Shapeshifter | I mean, it can't be that there's soo little space for extra apps. and /opt is a bit silly because every subdir is an app dir. | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | which is usually interpreted as "distro packages should not ship stuff in /usr/local" | 19:22 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: so what, that's perfect | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | except maybe for skeleton directories for sysadmin to put his custom files | 19:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | and "the system software" being updated would simply be syncing the main repo. | 19:23 |
| greenfly | basically if you look at the problem they had to solve, /usr/local and /opt were the two best choices | 19:23 |
| greenfly | they went with /opt, so that's what we have | 19:23 |
| Shapeshifter | but in opt, do libraries still get shared? | 19:23 |
| greenfly | they can provided you add their individual paths to your library path | 19:24 |
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| greenfly | that's the major downside when you optify, your paths can get huge | 19:24 |
| Shapeshifter | and apt does that? | 19:24 |
| Shapeshifter | when installing a package? | 19:24 |
| greenfly | if your package is intelligent enough to update the library paths it affects | 19:24 |
| greenfly | in many cases, though, at least in my experience, optified packages are self-contained | 19:25 |
| lardman | hmm, need to vpn, bbiam | 19:25 |
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| greenfly | so outside packages don't have to use their libraries as much | 19:25 |
| Shapeshifter | but, so, in essence all this means that except for big independend apps like open office, eclipse, all that like, apps will get installed to the 256mb partition which will be full in no time. | 19:26 |
| greenfly | Shapeshifter: no | 19:26 |
| greenfly | it means all apps /should/ change so they install in /opt | 19:27 |
| greenfly | and anything in /usr should expect to be overwritten during a firmware update | 19:27 |
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| Shapeshifter | but, well, you answered this already, but I really think that's a problem with shared libs then. | 19:27 |
| jebbajeb | that does make sense in the case of having to reflash the thing. | 19:27 |
| greenfly | Shapeshifter: any extra libs you add just need to update the system library path so they are included | 19:28 |
| greenfly | same goes for the system binary path | 19:28 |
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| kalikianatoli | Shapeshifter, if you reflash it, you can reinstall from a backup | 19:28 |
| Shapeshifter | greenfly: and, on a reflash /opt stays? | 19:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | but then, PATH is gone. | 19:28 |
| jebbajeb | greenfly: but what to do in the interim? https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card ? How to solve / at 100% (besides removing apps, which I did to get it down to 96%) | 19:29 |
| greenfly | Shapeshifter: honestly I'm not too well-versed in what the backup/restore features in NUS or whatever does and doesn't do | 19:29 |
| Shapeshifter | and also, flashing will erase the database anyway. | 19:29 |
| jebbajeb | Shapeshifter: ya /opt probably stays on reflash | 19:29 |
| lardman | hmm, probably not | 19:29 |
| Shapeshifter | the apt database? | 19:30 |
| lardman | /opt | 19:30 |
| Shapeshifter | database gone, path gone. | 19:30 |
| Shapeshifter | things in /opt will be corpses after a reflash anyway, won't they? | 19:30 |
| greenfly | IIRC the backup/restore tool makes note of the packages you had before reflash and can reinstall | 19:30 |
| lardman | they get flashed away anyway | 19:30 |
| jebbajeb | a reboot DID free up quite a bit of space. I was at 96%, after reboot i'm at 77% full. I had run an apt-get clean before reboot, but didnt seem to liberate space. So ubi or whatever seems to free up on boot. | 19:30 |
| Shapeshifter | ah | 19:30 |
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| greenfly | but again, I'm not well-versed on that tool | 19:31 |
| lardman | assuming you flash the emmc image, which I guess will always happen | 19:31 |
| crashanddie | Hi all | 19:31 |
| greenfly | I do know certain aspects of /home/user stay and some settings are reset to "factory" | 19:31 |
| greenfly | which makes sense if you think about it | 19:31 |
| lardman | /home/user in one mount point, /home/user/MyDocs is another | 19:32 |
| greenfly | if a user screwed up their gconf database, for instance, you'd want a reflash to fix that | 19:32 |
| jebbajeb | greenfly: do you have suggestions on best approach to increase / though? | 19:32 |
| jebbajeb | gconf is sadness | 19:32 |
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| greenfly | jebbajeb: have apps get optified, basically | 19:32 |
| Archanamiya | ~burn himself | 19:32 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 19:32 | |
| Archanamiya | xD | 19:32 |
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| jebbajeb | greenfly: ok, i'll see which apps are behaving incorrectly and bugzilla them | 19:33 |
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| Makavel | hello guys... what is the official language for Maemo? | 19:34 |
| greenfly | Makavel: looks like you have a choice between C (if you use gtk) c++ (if you use qt) and python | 19:34 |
| Archanamiya | ~slap himself | 19:34 |
| * infobot slaps himself, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 19:34 | |
| kalikianatoli | Makavel, there is a number of officially supported locales if you mean that | 19:34 |
| jebbajeb | This is how it finds stuff in /opt. Not sure how it would find them after reflash: | 19:34 |
| jebbajeb | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Nov 30 22:25 /usr/bin/vim -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/vim | 19:34 |
| Makavel | kalikianatoli: i meant programming language | 19:35 |
| kalikianatoli | oh, haha | 19:35 |
| kalikianatoli | ignore me | 19:35 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: lots of C and python. | 19:35 |
| Shapeshifter | uhm | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | :) | 19:36 |
| Shapeshifter | Makavel: ^ | 19:36 |
| Makavel | greenfly: for python on maemo, is it pyGtk or pyQt or PySide whatever | 19:36 |
| lardman | hmm, so much for M$ openness, what about the spec for HCCB? | 19:36 |
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| jebbajeb | also, tons of space is taken up for i10n stuff. I dont think i'm going to be speaking swedish anytime soon, unfortunately. But if you remove them, they want to take the whole app with them (e.g. remove swedish for calendar, the calendar wants to be removed too). Seems the app shouldn't dep on the i10n. | 19:36 |
| greenfly | Makavel: not sure, presumably pyGtk and pyQt at least | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | Makavel, for maemo 5, PyGtk (+ Python hildon bindings), although PyQt and PySide might also work | 19:36 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: valid point, file a bug though | 19:36 |
| Shapeshifter | Makavel: you can pretty much use what you want. I heard pyside is outdated. I myself use pyqt and it's awesome. | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | python apps have some disadvantages on maemo, compared to C apps (slower startup speed, larger memory usage) | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | well, they have those disadvantages on desktops too, but maemo is more resource-constrained | 19:37 |
| lcuk | lack of tab key is another maemo specific one ;) | 19:37 |
| Makavel | shapeshifter: but pyside was released not too long ago but how can it be outdated? | 19:37 |
| kalikianatoli | lcuk, use ctrl+i | 19:37 |
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| kalikianatoli | :P | 19:37 |
| jebbajeb | lcuk: no | (pipe) on keyboard made me almost cry. | 19:38 |
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| Makavel | I am asking because... i dont know C but know some C++ and python. Dont know gtk but know some Qt | 19:38 |
| greenfly | jebbajeb: easy enough to add to the xterm | 19:39 |
| jebbajeb | what's apt equivalent of `rpm -qf /usr/lib/microb-engine/libxul.so` (e.g. how to find out which package name libxul.so belongs to)? | 19:39 |
| greenfly | the gconf command is online | 19:39 |
| wjt | dpkg -S | 19:39 |
| jebbajeb | greenfly: ah, didn't know that. just been using this thing for a few hours now ;) thx | 19:40 |
| jebbajeb | wjt: thx | 19:40 |
| Shapeshifter | Makavel: I said "heard" it was outdated. I read it on the forums. | 19:40 |
| Shapeshifter | Makavel: both C and gtk are easy to learn | 19:40 |
| Shapeshifter | specially if you already know C++. | 19:40 |
| lizardo | Makavel: well it is not, in fact it currently supports Qt 4.6 :) | 19:40 |
| lizardo | Shapeshifter: ^ | 19:41 |
| Shapeshifter | oh okay. | 19:41 |
| lizardo | PyQt in Maemo 5 seems compiled against qt 4.5 | 19:41 |
| * hardaker2 supposes it's time to learn how to package .debs. Been doing .rpms for too long now. | 19:41 | |
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| DangerMaus | Klowner like where the heck is fedex? | 19:42 |
| Shapeshifter | is pyside better then pyqt? I see they're compatible atm. | 19:42 |
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| DangerMaus | i bet they show up rite at 1300 | 19:42 |
| DangerMaus | oops | 19:42 |
| lizardo | Shapeshifter: what do you mean by "better" ? | 19:42 |
| DangerMaus | 1500 | 19:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | lizardo: well, that's the question. does it have a brighter future then pyqt? is it somehow faster? | 19:44 |
| Shapeshifter | smaller? | 19:44 |
| Shapeshifter | more up to date? | 19:44 |
| kalikianatoli | hardaker, http://cdbs-doc.duckcorp.org | 19:45 |
| lizardo | Shapeshifter: faster ? we still need to measure ; smaller ? no at the current version, but we are working on it; more up to date ? well, we already support the new classes in Qt 4.6 that AFAIK PyQt does not (might be wrong though, I haven't been following PyQt development) | 19:46 |
| hardaker | kalikianatoli: heh; thanks. | 19:46 |
| mikedg-blau | only one fucking maemo device in 2k10 | 19:46 |
| mikedg-blau | wtf | 19:46 |
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| hardaker | (the good news is that once I learn it I'll likely be packaging a crapload of stuff) | 19:46 |
| lardman | mikedg-blau: year's not over | 19:46 |
| Shapeshifter | lizardo: ookay. I'll need to just try it. | 19:46 |
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| mikedg-blau | 10 i said | 19:46 |
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| lardman | likewise ;) | 19:47 |
| mikedg-blau | lol | 19:47 |
| mikedg-blau | touche! | 19:47 |
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| jebbajeb | on another note, my SDK installer has been hung at "Preconfiguring packages" for like 10 hours.... | 19:50 |
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| jebbajeb | exiting the package installer doesn't do an `apt-get clean` So perhaps I hit 100% cuz /var/cache got full (?). Perhaps the fone could mount /tmp /var/tmp /var/cache etc outside the 256M to save space. They don't matter for reflash. | 19:51 |
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| lardman | ~lart VB & MATLAB | 19:52 |
| * infobot slaps VB & MATLAB upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh | 19:52 | |
| Klowner | DangerMaus: I dunno, mine ain't here yet either | 19:52 |
| DangerMaus | ticc toc tic toc | 19:53 |
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| DangerMaus | atleast it should be here by 3pm | 19:53 |
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| jebbajeb | another newbie question. I downloaded and saved an mp3 with the webbrowser (which it put in a hidden dir!), but the "media player" doesn't appear to have any way to open files, AFAICT (??!). kmplayer the way to do that or what? I dont even see a way to remove all the pre-installed media, for which i have no use (other than xterm of course) | 19:55 |
| user_ | hello | 19:55 |
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| ccooke | jebbajeb: tracker should find it and make the media player see it. | 19:55 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: or double click from the filemanager | 19:56 |
| derf | You can't open files? | 19:56 |
| hardaker | jebbajeb: use the file manager to put it in ~/MyDocs/.sounds | 19:56 |
| derf | That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. | 19:56 |
| lardman | nah, leave it wherever, should still be seen | 19:56 |
| derf | Some of us don't _want_ a media scanner running. | 19:57 |
| jebbajeb | ah ya, via filemanager...gotcha hehe | 19:57 |
| derf | And have no need for one. | 19:57 |
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| ccooke | derf: in which case, you'll use an alternate media player and manage it yourself, surely? | 19:57 |
| lardman | derf: is better than metacrawler afaict ;) | 19:57 |
| jebbajeb | working now.. just need to find my way around this sucker still | 19:57 |
| derf | ccooke: Apparently I'll have to. | 19:57 |
| ccooke | derf: well, you can. And for the average user, their media 'just works' ;-) | 19:58 |
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| jebbajeb | i can't believe how responsive this thing is. I have a sharp netwalker (most recent zaurus, basically), and its waaaaaaaaaay slower. Pretty similar specs too (but netwalker has even more ram) | 20:00 |
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| ShadowJK | and people complain it's unresponsive... | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | darn, mediaplayer doesn't support flac | 20:03 |
| jebbajeb | i dont know what they are talking about. I run tons and it seems fast... | 20:03 |
| jebbajeb | annoyingly ogg isn't supported out-of-the-box. It's kind of even insulting. ;) | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, try oggsupport from extras? | 20:03 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: should be as simple as adding the gst element | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: thought I installed that 3h after opening the box. Will recheck. Thanks | 20:03 |
| lardman | though subtitles don't work even with the correct elementr | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless... bliss :-) | 20:05 |
| ShadowJK | lardman, gstreamer has ass support or are these some other subtitles? | 20:05 |
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| jebbajeb | There is this package: gstreamer0.10-flac | 20:07 |
| jebbajeb | ogg-support doesn't have FLAC files in it | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebbajeb: aah | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems I need to config my progmngr repos somewhat better | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebbajeb: which repo is gstreamer0.10-flac supposed o be found? | 20:11 |
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| lardman | derf: quite interesting, shame there's no spec: http://www.microsoft.com/tag/content/overview/customtagguidelines.aspx | 20:12 |
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| kalikianatoli | ShadowJK, "gstreamer has ass support", call it libass at least :-) | 20:13 |
| kalikianatoli | it reads horrible otherwise | 20:13 |
| d4rkfe4r | How do I get my n810 to not check for updates when i add a Repository? | 20:13 |
| jebbajeb | in the conversation app (IM), you increase the font size by using the volume rocker switch. This doesn't reflow the conversation though, so you have to left/right scroll, which is lame. Bug #5624 says that this wont be fixed since zoom will be removed. How to increase font size in conversations then??? I'm asking cuz i have a friend who wants n900, but says she can't read her SMSs cuz they are too small. | 20:13 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5624 Zoom in/out in IM chat does not reflow contents | 20:13 |
| jebbajeb | DocScrutinizer: i have -testing enabled, so it's probably there. http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebbajeb: thnx | 20:14 |
| lardman | mikkov: thanks for the comment | 20:15 |
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| lardman | mikkov: any thoughts as to what I can optify? ;) | 20:15 |
| ShadowJK | hm.. ogg-support on fremantle atleast claims to depend on gstreamer0.10-flac | 20:15 |
| hrw|gone | gstreamer in maemo5 should be rebuilt to support ALL options | 20:15 |
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| hrw | re | 20:15 |
| lardman | :) | 20:15 |
| jebbajeb | ShadowJK: could be that it drags in that package, but doesn't *include* it (e.g. it's a dep) | 20:15 |
| ShadowJK | no idea | 20:16 |
| lardman | hrw: you mean the packages being built and some components not being included in the installation files? | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | istr something on the forum or bugtracker about it.. | 20:16 |
| hrw | lardman: there is no modplug plugin for example. | 20:16 |
| konttori | wow, the qt 4.6 demo stuff is really cool looking | 20:16 |
| hrw | lardman: it is not built by default | 20:16 |
| * RST38h once again looks for SDL experts | 20:17 | |
| RST38h | Anyone? | 20:17 |
| hrw | konttori: and it is broken on maemo5 | 20:17 |
| konttori | it is? | 20:17 |
| konttori | how come? | 20:17 |
| hrw | konttori: Phonon::SeekSlider is broken | 20:17 |
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| kulve | ShadowJK: there's flac support, but without tags | 20:17 |
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| lardman | mikkov: when you say doesn't recognise, do you mean that it quite simply won't produce any text for a 2D/numbers for a 1D barcode? | 20:18 |
| kulve | ShadowJK: ogg-support depends on gstreamer0.10-flac that adds the gst flac plugin and depends on actual libflac | 20:18 |
| lardman | mikkov: in which case please give me an url to the image in question and I'll take a look | 20:18 |
| konttori | hrw: is that the only broken thing? | 20:18 |
| lardman | bbiam, need to reboot | 20:19 |
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| hrw | konttori: first found by me | 20:19 |
| RST38h | Maybe someone has compiled stuff using CURSES? | 20:19 |
| konttori | ah, but it's alpha quality still, so, a good catch | 20:19 |
| hrw | konttori: remember that I am not maemo(ANYVER) developer basically | 20:19 |
| hrw | konttori: but it follows Hildon UI more | 20:20 |
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| hrw | which made my app even less useful | 20:20 |
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| derf | lardman|gone: Looks devilishly hard to detect. | 20:20 |
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| kalikianatoli | hrw, what kind of app becomes less useful with a better qt? | 20:20 |
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| Corsac | well, qt... | 20:21 |
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| jebbajeb | hmm, app-manager should include $LICENSE in package summary.... | 20:22 |
| hrw | kalikianatoli: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/tmp/pic12.jpg contra http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/tmp/pic13.jpg | 20:22 |
| hrw | jebbajeb: app-manager should die (in painful way) | 20:22 |
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| jebbajeb | haha. why? | 20:22 |
| kalikianatoli | Corsac, don't you think a foul mouthed beggar becomes nicer when you give him fresh clothes, metaphorically speaking? :-) | 20:22 |
| Xisdibik | On the address section of Contacts it has "Extension" and "Street" and then a few others | 20:23 |
| Xisdibik | wtf is an extension in an address | 20:23 |
| hrw | jebbajeb: try to install 5 applications with it | 20:23 |
| Corsac | kalikianatoli: I'm just not sure the clothes are really worth it | 20:23 |
| jebbajeb | oh ya. you have to do them all one at a time. total pain in the ass. And you have to scroll to the bottom each time... and.... | 20:23 |
| kalikianatoli | hrw, oh, that's a bit of a drawback, yeah :-] | 20:24 |
| jebbajeb | ...and you have to "agree" each time. And it appears to not `apt-get clean` when done...and... | 20:24 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: trying to purchase an mbp from the apple store us... they can't use my bloody UK credit card, wankers | 20:24 |
| lardman | re | 20:24 |
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| kalikianatoli | jebbajeb, it's not optimized for mass installing but the ui is very nice imho | 20:25 |
| jebbajeb | kalikianatoli: yes. interface is ok. Would be nice if you could hit "P" or whatever on the keyboard and have it scroll to the letter P or somesuch though. | 20:25 |
| kalikianatoli | you're right actually. I tried typing letters a few times, automatically, and it didn't help | 20:26 |
| DangerMaus | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/tmp/pic12.jpg | 20:26 |
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| hrw | DangerMaus: yes? | 20:26 |
| DangerMaus | not ready for public yet | 20:27 |
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| hrw | DangerMaus: that app? | 20:27 |
| DangerMaus | oops wrong window | 20:27 |
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| DangerMaus | oops | 20:27 |
| hrw | DangerMaus: I do not plan to release it for maemo5 | 20:27 |
| hrw | DangerMaus: at least not in this year | 20:27 |
| DangerMaus | was showing someopne the sdk with that pic | 20:28 |
| DangerMaus | but pastred here instead | 20:28 |
| hrw | ah | 20:28 |
| DangerMaus | getting tired | 20:28 |
| hrw | DangerMaus: pic12 is deprecated by qt 4.6 packages | 20:28 |
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| hrw | and current api of application does not even remind that one from pic12/13 ;D | 20:28 |
| jebbajeb | lcuk: package liqcontrolpanel's summary is "short description" fyi | 20:29 |
| DangerMaus | heh | 20:29 |
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| * hardaker considers porting bacula | 20:30 | |
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| jebbajeb | timezone data is wrong for buenos aires, argentina.... | 20:34 |
| RST38h | javis! | 20:34 |
| RST38h | javis: where do I get SDL_ttf? | 20:34 |
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| hrw | RST38h: normally you get it from repository as libsdl-ttf2.0-0 package. but under maemo? | 20:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, sucks | 20:36 |
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| RST38h | hw: yes, under maemo? | 20:37 |
| jebbajeb | RST38h: libsdl-ttf2.0-0 | 20:37 |
| RST38h | thanks =) | 20:37 |
| hrw | RST38h: under maemo different things happens | 20:37 |
| RST38h | not found | 20:38 |
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| debayan | wow! | 20:38 |
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| jebbajeb | RST38h: libsdl-ttf2.0 phaps | 20:40 |
| jebbajeb | # apt-cache search SDL_ttf | 20:40 |
| jebbajeb | libsdl-pango1 - text rendering with Pango in SDL applications (shared library) | 20:40 |
| jebbajeb | libsdl-ttf2.0-0 - ttf library for Simple DirectMedia Layer with FreeType 2 support | 20:40 |
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| RST38h | hmmm | 20:40 |
| jebbajeb | you may need -testing enabled (I do). Not sure how to tell with dpkg/apt which repo a package is from (being more of a yum/rpm user...) | 20:40 |
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| RST38h | not here :( what epo is it in? | 20:41 |
| hardaker | jebbajeb: any chance that's in -devel? I have testing enabled and those don't show up. | 20:41 |
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| jebbajeb | hardaker: I have -extras and -extras-testing enabled only | 20:42 |
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| jebbajeb | hardaker: RST38h: my repos: http://pastebin.com/m74694600 | 20:44 |
| hardaker | looks like mine. | 20:44 |
| hardaker | odd. | 20:44 |
| jebbajeb | so for bugzilla, would bad timezone data be filed under "core" or "system software". I think it is a part of libc.... | 20:44 |
| hardaker | wait, there it is. | 20:44 |
| hardaker | searching for ttf2 didn't work. | 20:45 |
| hardaker | odd. | 20:45 |
| lcuk | jebbajeb, that package was wrong to be there in the first place | 20:45 |
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| * hardaker looks for his typo | 20:45 | |
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| RST38h | jebba: thanks | 20:45 |
| DangerMaus | Klowner, GOT IT!!!!! | 20:45 |
| jebbajeb | np | 20:46 |
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| lardman | mikkov: thanks | 20:46 |
| hardaker | ah shell typo. | 20:47 |
| hardaker | meta-back didn't clear the previous word | 20:47 |
| * hardaker installs bash | 20:47 | |
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| javispedro | RST38h: you, creator of packrat, asking me to find a package? =) | 20:49 |
| RST38h | yep=) | 20:49 |
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| RST38h | javis: looks like none of you, cruel bastards, are going to compile Vulture's Eye for me, so I decided to attempt it myself | 20:51 |
| RST38h | javis: Missing TTF and proper curses | 20:52 |
| javispedro | :) | 20:52 |
| javispedro | enjoy the build :) | 20:52 |
| RST38h | argh. | 20:52 |
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| Klowner | DangerMaus: I still wait :( | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | Ok, I installed libSDL-ttf, but the header files are not there =( | 20:56 |
| frals | hmm.. seems i made a backup of the wrong image when i nuked my sdk the other day... hope i commited all changes, doh | 20:56 |
| RST38h | Where do I get the header? | 20:56 |
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| Flandry | ~seen pupnik | 20:56 |
| infobot | pupnik <n=pupnik@unaffiliated/pupnik> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 13h 23m 1s ago, saying: 'sorry maemo'. | 20:56 |
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| DangerMaus | well only 2h max Klowner | 20:57 |
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| Klowner | then I'll probably hafta put it on the charger | 20:58 |
| javispedro | RST38h: libsdl-ttf2.0-dev | 20:58 |
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| * DangerMaus is taking his time | 20:58 | |
| Flandry | kalikianatoli: Any luck installing uqm? | 20:59 |
| RST38h | javis: not here | 20:59 |
| RST38h | which repo? | 20:59 |
| javispedro | Source http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ (Maemo 5) | 20:59 |
| RST38h | aha | 21:00 |
| * zaheer_ starts working on a gcal sync app.... (not sure if i want the headache but i've now had enough of not having gcal in the calendar app on my phone) | 21:00 | |
| DangerMaus | hmmm it came with a usb cable that wasnt listed as in the box | 21:00 |
| jebbajeb | anyone know of good end-user documentation for maemo/n900 in PDF format? | 21:01 |
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| Flandry | there's a user manual from Nokia in pdf | 21:02 |
| RST38h | javis: Another stupid question: what do I do to make nethack find curses.h? | 21:02 |
| Flandry | search on talk | 21:02 |
| RST38h | javis: the only copy is in /usr/include/ncursesw | 21:02 |
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| Flandry | RST38h: curse, of course | 21:02 |
| * RST38h curses, with no result | 21:03 | |
| mece | grr argh why oh why does extras repo complain about gpg error in the sdk? | 21:03 |
| RST38h | Fuck: vultures_sound.cpp:8:23: error: SDL_mixer.h: No such file or directory | 21:04 |
| konttori | I love how pc mag review starts: "The Nokia N900 is a 3G, Linux smartphone with XTerm built in. If the idea of hacking your phone down to the command line with the manufacturer's full approval sends you into paroxysms of joy, forget reading the rest of this review and just buy one now." | 21:04 |
| Flandry | ha | 21:05 |
| jebbajeb | RST38h: SDL_mixer is likely another package (it is in fedora land at least) | 21:05 |
| RST38h | yea | 21:05 |
| Flandry | i'm not sure the readership of pc mag would consider that a promotion | 21:05 |
| hardaker | konttori: I'd would have shortened it to "if the idea of SSHing into your phone makes you reach for your wallet, then reach fast" | 21:05 |
| RST38h | konttori: Arkenoi (guy who won n900 at the meetup here) wrote maybe the best n900 review I have seen | 21:05 |
| jebbajeb | The system DEFINITELY frees up space on / on reboot BTW | 21:05 |
| RST38h | no shit sherlock | 21:06 |
| mece | konttori, pretty sweet. I'd follow their advice. | 21:06 |
| lcuk | the average consumer will say "omg i have to use the console to make a call" o_O | 21:06 |
| javispedro | omg console | 21:06 |
| Flandry | yeah | 21:06 |
| mece | lcuk, I've been looking for an easy method to make calls from xterm | 21:06 |
| hardaker | omg, I *can* use the console to script a call. Sweet! | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, heck, the self-proclaimed "hackers" can't even manage to use XTerm to browse around the directory trees. ;) | 21:07 |
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| mece | hardaker, yeah, but has anyone made such a script? If yes, then I wants it | 21:07 |
| Flandry | Time for Jerky Boys: 21st Century | 21:07 |
| lcuk | mece, start xterm, telnet into the irc chan your work collegue is in, ask him to make call on your behalf | 21:07 |
| lcuk | simple | 21:07 |
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| mece | lcuk, haha yeah. | 21:07 |
| RST38h | General: You mean the "maemo5 emulator" hackers? | 21:07 |
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| hardaker | while(1) { $phonenum++; if (place_call($phonenum) == ANSWERED) { log_modem_at_site($phonenum); } } | 21:07 |
| RST38h | Or the red pill ones? | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, in this case, ChristExaport and his File Manager roadblock. | 21:08 |
| RST38h | Oh | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | hardaker, and, yes, dbus. | 21:08 |
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| * RST38h suggested MC, but apparently none of them listened | 21:08 | |
| RST38h | Funny, given that MC is easier to use than EmelFM | 21:08 |
| lcuk | mc is c c c c c console | 21:08 |
| hardaker | GeneralAntilles: org.wardialler.keypad? | 21:08 |
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| mece | GeneralAntilles, he's absolutely right though... | 21:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Who gives a damn? It works | 21:08 |
| lcuk | its not got kinetics | 21:09 |
| konttori | isn't there a dbus call to make a phone call | 21:09 |
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| mece | RST38h, is MC in extras? | 21:09 |
| konttori | mece: ^ | 21:09 |
| * lardman wonders why mikkov has such problems using mbarcode when it seems to work fine for me | 21:09 | |
| RST38h | mece: should be | 21:09 |
| lcuk | he might be holding his bacodes upside down | 21:09 |
| lardman | nah, that works fine | 21:09 |
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| lardman | http://www.sagedata.com/images/2007/Code_128_Barcode_Graphic.jpg | 21:10 |
| lardman | that's the link he sent saying it worked ok full size | 21:10 |
| lardman | hmm | 21:10 |
| lcuk | lighting makes a big difference | 21:10 |
| lardman | yeah | 21:10 |
| RST38h | gentlemen, I am really soryr, but could someone help me with curses.h? | 21:10 |
| lcuk | oh this is from stock images? | 21:10 |
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| plr_ | I tried once the barcodereader and it worked nicely | 21:10 |
| RST38h | What am I supposed to do to make the build process see curses.h if I have ncrusesw installed? | 21:11 |
| mece | RST38h, is your curses.h being difficult? | 21:11 |
| lardman | plr_: thank you for your kind words | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | mece, that the built-in File Manager should expose / and have root permissions? | 21:11 |
| * lardman adds plr_ to the XMas card list ;) | 21:11 | |
| plr_ | :) your welcome | 21:11 |
| * lcuk thinks plr_ is mrs lardman | 21:11 | |
| lardman | lol | 21:11 |
| plr_ | haha | 21:11 |
| lardman | no, she;s on the road atm | 21:11 |
| Flandry | rofl | 21:11 |
| * qwerty12_N900 thinks mbarcode sucks | 21:12 | |
| * lardman knows qwerty12_N900 like to | 21:12 | |
| lardman | s/like/likes | 21:12 |
| mece | GeneralAntilles, I don't think he mentioned root, anyone knows that's ridiculous. The counterwhining elite mentioned root. But yes, it should expose / as an option. | 21:12 |
| plr_ | I'm irxing from my n900, I could be on the road ;) | 21:12 |
| lardman | kind of lost its impact now | 21:12 |
| jaem | it did when I tried it, but it wasn't done, so I reserve judgement. It sounds like it will be awesome,thoguh | 21:12 |
| lardman | plr_: not knowing how fast she drives | 21:12 |
| jaem | :P | 21:12 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lardman: No, I don't want a Velvet Rub from you | 21:12 |
| jebbajeb | RST38h: you likely need all the -dev packages as well. Like ncurses-dev (just guessing at the name there). The .h files don't come in the regular packages. | 21:12 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N900: over my head, what pron would you recommend? :p | 21:13 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | lardman: 2 girls 1 cup | 21:13 |
| lcuk | lardman, could you just paste that barcode pic link again plz | 21:13 |
| mece | LOL | 21:13 |
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| lardman | http://www.sagedata.com/images/2007/Code_128_Barcode_Graphic.jpg | 21:13 |
| mece | RST38h, lemme check that. I had problems with curses when I compiled despotify a while back. | 21:14 |
| lcuk | top notch | 21:14 |
| lcuk | that looks superb | 21:14 |
| jaem | mece, despot-ify? O_o | 21:14 |
| javispedro | even though I have to wonder why a SDL app requires curses? | 21:14 |
| jaem | or de-spotify | 21:14 |
| mece | de-spotify. | 21:14 |
| jaem | lol | 21:14 |
| mece | i needed this: libncursesw5-dev | 21:15 |
| * lardman goes to try to write some AWS code to deal with the 1D codes | 21:15 | |
| lardman | what people should really try is the QR codes, the code is stunning, quite happily recognised out of focus, etc. Well done derf | 21:15 |
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| mece | RST38h, I was missing libncursesw5-dev then. dunno if that helps you though. | 21:16 |
| lcuk | lardman, timing outlay? | 21:16 |
| lcuk | how long does it take to identify | 21:16 |
| lcuk | from a frame | 21:16 |
| lardman | QR and 1D are very quick | 21:16 |
| javispedro | i've been today in the citilib/#maebar area | 21:16 |
| javispedro | pretty small building :) | 21:16 |
| lardman | dmtx is very slow, and not very good either | 21:16 |
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| zaheer_ | javispedro, enough for 130? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | the qr shoiuld be quick, it recognises corners first | 21:17 |
| lardman | easy to say ;) | 21:17 |
| lcuk | lardman, not really | 21:17 |
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| lcuk | ive got always on bullseye recognition code running here | 21:17 |
| RST38h | mece: ok, trying | 21:17 |
| javispedro | zaheer_, guess so. There seems to be three roms which I calculated to be able to hold 30~45 | 21:17 |
| lcuk | its the same stuff i had way back when to recognise the guardbars | 21:18 |
| lardman | lcuk: playing darts these days? | 21:18 |
| RST38h | mece: I have it | 21:18 |
| Flandry | despotify should just be called bleach | 21:18 |
| lcuk | lol and then some | 21:18 |
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| javispedro | and maybe some more hidden roms :) | 21:18 |
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| mece | RST38h, bummer.. | 21:18 |
| javispedro | the area is low-density residential, there's a shopping center at 10 minutes | 21:18 |
| zaheer_ | javispedro, don't say roms too loudly, nintendo peeps may be here :) | 21:18 |
| mece | Flandry, how so? | 21:19 |
| javispedro | er, I mean rooms :) | 21:19 |
| zaheer_ | i figured ;) | 21:19 |
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| Flandry | spot remover... | 21:19 |
| mece | aaahaha | 21:19 |
| jebbajeb | so what's the best app for "video conferencing" ? | 21:19 |
| mece | good one. | 21:19 |
| zaheer_ | jebbajeb, none currently | 21:19 |
| jebbajeb | i saw some mention of pidgin being able to do it, but havent tried | 21:19 |
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| wjt | jebbajeb: well, previous versions of maemo have had built-in support for video calls, and there's a webcam in the front of the n900, ... | 21:21 |
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| mgedmin | previous maemos could only do video over google talk | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | can n900 do video over google talk? | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | you'd need a guy with a nit on the other side of the google talk to test it, I suppose | 21:21 |
| wjt | not only google talk | 21:22 |
| jaem | mgedmin, I thought it could, but I can't remember | 21:22 |
| wjt | n810 supported video calls on xmpp and SIP | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | also, I heard rumours that skype video is going to happen on the n900 at some point in the future | 21:22 |
| jaem | I only have one contact I could test it with | 21:22 |
| jaem | since she has an N900 | 21:22 |
| jaem | mgedmin, ooooh | 21:22 |
| jebbajeb | i did a google talk call last night but didnt see any options for video | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | wjt, really? ooh | 21:22 |
| jaem | oh really? do tell | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | I'd heard that it supported some weird Google-only version over XMPP instead of following the Jingle spec | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | or maybe Jingle was the name of the weird google-only version | 21:22 |
| wjt | no, gabble on the n800 was the first implementation of Jingle | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | maybe I'm thinking about the N800, and N810 was better | 21:23 |
| wjt | which is a derivative of Google's spec | 21:23 |
| jaem | mgedmin, Jingle is Jabber standard | 21:23 |
| jebbajeb | iax2 ? | 21:23 |
| RST38h | Ok, seems to have solved curses problem | 21:23 |
| wjt | telepathy-gabble on the n900 supports jingle, and also supports the dialect for video calls used by the gmail client | 21:23 |
| mece | RST38h, can you make nethack use ncurses instead? | 21:23 |
| mece | RST38h, how'd you do it? | 21:23 |
| wjt | whether the higher layers do video calls is anothermatter | 21:23 |
| RST38h | mece: -I/usr/include/ncursesw -DLINUX | 21:24 |
| RST38h | Compiling Nethack now | 21:24 |
| mece | DST38h, are we talking original nethack? | 21:24 |
| mece | Awesome! | 21:24 |
| RST38h | mece: whatever I got from the website | 21:24 |
| RST38h | We are actually talking Vulture's Eye | 21:24 |
| mece | RST38h, sweet! | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | ooh | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | mece, why? emelfm2 is perfectly functional. | 21:25 |
| zaheer_ | wow http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/12/webgl-goes-mobile/ | 21:25 |
| jebbajeb | wjt: well if telepathy-gabble does video conf and it is on the maemo5, uh, then doesnt n900 support video conf? | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's one of those options that including in the default FM is just going to get people in trouble. | 21:26 |
| wjt | jebbajeb: gabble's just one component... you need the various UI bits to be in place too | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | mece, it's another thing Nokia has to test. | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | mece, implementing a feature like that is a non-trivial thing for Nokia. | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd rather they spent their efforts elsewhere and ship a community solution. | 21:26 |
| mece | GeneralAntilles, true true. | 21:27 |
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| Hydroxide | very brief question about harmattan: is the only publicly downloadable sdk-type stuff for harmattan the ui framework tech preview released at maemo summit? | 21:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mece, and describing it as a roadblock to "hacking" is just plain silly. ;) | 21:27 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:29 |
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| mece | GeneralAntilles, I agree with that. I didn't read that far into the thread. I just think it would be convenient. For me. I'd like to be able to browse to files other users have scp'd in to my device for example. | 21:30 |
| mece | if they'd chmod a+r them | 21:30 |
| simula | has anyone tried to get qt-creator running on their n900? | 21:30 |
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| Arkenoi | lardman, you got 1d working? i haven't :-( qr is reliable but no luck with 1d at all :-( | 21:31 |
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| elseayoukay | lardman | 21:32 |
| elseayoukay | stroke:225,133~222,129~221,125~218,121~213,116~204,110~189,106~172,106~147,111~122,122~100,135~81,149~65,168~60,186~65,205~83,221~110,232~142,239~177,243~205,243~224,243~237,232~241,215~238,183~228,154~213,127~198,107~182,90~182,90 | 21:32 |
| lardman | Arkenoi: does it show the code? | 21:32 |
| elseayoukay | hiding again | 21:33 |
| lardman | Arkenoi: or not even that | 21:33 |
| lardman | Arkenoi: I know the lookup stuff is pretty shoddy atm | 21:33 |
| lardman | elseayoukay: what is that? | 21:33 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | elseayoukay: /nick elcoq | 21:33 |
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| elseayoukay | what does it say it is | 21:33 |
| lardman | just loads of numbers to me | 21:34 |
| lcuk | at the start | 21:34 |
| lcuk | its not numbers :P | 21:34 |
| lardman | stroke: ? | 21:34 |
| lcuk | sketches are made up of strokes | 21:35 |
| jebbajeb | hmm, no dictionary application (!). fantasdic or similar would rule (e.g. eng/span dictionary) | 21:35 |
| * lcuk finishes the smiley | 21:35 | |
| lardman | lcuk: I see | 21:35 |
| elseayoukay | stroke:143,141~143,141~143,143~143,143~141,144~137,146~131,148~128,153~128,159~135,166~146,165~152,155~152,146~146,142~146,142 | 21:35 |
| elseayoukay | stroke:183,149~183,149~185,149~185,147~179,147~171,147~167,153~167,160~177,167~186,167~193,160~191,156~191,156 | 21:35 |
| elseayoukay | stroke:136,197~136,197~136,197~134,197~133,198~133,201~140,206~149,210~161,214~164,210~164,210 | 21:35 |
| RST38h | pleqse stop | 21:36 |
| RST38h | please | 21:36 |
| lcuk | now i wont be doing that here | 21:36 |
| lcuk | i know | 21:36 |
| lcuk | ive just left it alone today testing other things | 21:36 |
| lcuk | like automatic avatar lookup | 21:36 |
| mikkov | lardman: I've got better success with mbarcode now reading barcodes from dvds. Camera just seems to have focusing problems and it's not using leds as much as it probably should | 21:36 |
| lardman | mikkov: it only uses LEDs when you click Scan! | 21:37 |
| lcuk | and how well it detects media for automatic showing | 21:37 |
| lardman | if you just tap the image it does a focus without (no idea why) | 21:37 |
| lardman | mikkov: Pringles is difficult as the camera has a shallow focus | 21:37 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, I'm not sure if it works. Should I need to enable the accelerometer somehow? I saw it in control options, but only the arrows actually move the ship | 21:37 |
| lardman | mikkov: segfaults I'm sorry, my poor 1D lookup code, I should just disable that | 21:38 |
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| Flandry | did you reset the controls? | 21:38 |
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| Flandry | another user reported that the install didn't set the right permissions, so if you can run a few commands at the prompt it would be helpful | 21:39 |
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| RST38h | All personnel working around SCP-807 must be well-fed, and should preferably wear oral restraints to prevent accidental ingestion. | 21:40 |
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| kalikianatoli | Flandry, do you have an idea what file could be wrong? I have a terminal open | 21:40 |
| Flandry | it's the /dev/input/uinput node, but i'm not sure why the install fails to fix it | 21:41 |
| Flandry | /opt/uqm/accelemymote | 21:41 |
| Flandry | it should say the same | 21:41 |
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| mikkov | lardman: sometimes the camera stops functioning, it just show all black image | 21:41 |
| Flandry | Does that say "Uinput device node (at /dev/input/uinput) has the wrong permissions."? | 21:42 |
| lardman | mikkov: it stops looking once it's decoded something? | 21:43 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, when I run it, it tells me "Input node has wrong permissions, I'd blame udev" | 21:43 |
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| mikkov | lardman: picture stays black even if I press scan/cancel button repeatedly | 21:44 |
| Flandry | Hmm do you have access to root? | 21:44 |
| lardman | hmm | 21:44 |
| lardman | mikkov: I thought I'd got rid of that problem | 21:44 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, yep. I can fix or break as needed :-) | 21:44 |
| lardman | mikkov: You're not switching apps are you? | 21:44 |
| Flandry | :D | 21:44 |
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| kalikianatoli | Flandry, I'm not quite fluent with udev unfortunately | 21:45 |
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| Flandry | well check groups first, make sure "users" is listed | 21:45 |
| mikkov | lardman: no I was using only mbarcode. | 21:45 |
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| lardman | mikkov: the image window is not double buffered, but when it was I used to see that problem | 21:45 |
| jebbajeb | hmm, i run the barcode scan, but when i open the lens, the camera application starts. Was able to quit it (it crashed actually). Now barcode program is running, but focus totally sucks. | 21:45 |
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| lardman | mikkov: I'll have to do some more testing | 21:46 |
| lardman | btw I guess it got promoted into -testing? | 21:46 |
| lcuk | lardman, inverse barcode, can i have barcode popup when it detects a photo been recorded into DCIM | 21:46 |
| lardman | that was my hope anyway | 21:46 |
| lcuk | so i use normal camera app to do the photo taking with focus ops etc | 21:46 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, yep, 'users' exists | 21:46 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, there's a dbus call which should now work | 21:46 |
| jebbajeb | also barcode program seems to keep flipping from landscape to portrait mode... | 21:46 |
| lcuk | and then once good image is done it will be processed | 21:47 |
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| lardman | lcuk: though I'll have to add the reading from file thing | 21:47 |
| * lcuk nods | 21:47 | |
| root | hi all | 21:47 |
| root | i had a question about buildroot | 21:47 |
| Flandry | hmm maybe dpkg doesn't have root privileges after all | 21:47 |
| lcuk | how did you get root | 21:47 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: do you keep twitching your arm? ;) | 21:47 |
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| jebbajeb | haha no | 21:47 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, dpkg has to run as root, or it won't work | 21:47 |
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| jebbajeb | the book i'm scanning is laying on the table and i'm holding it above it tho | 21:47 |
| ersin | this might sound ridiculous, but i'm trying to build openoffice in scratchbox | 21:48 |
| mikkov | lardman: I've had the black picture only twice. | 21:48 |
| Flandry | yeah well it failed to chgrp users /dev/input/uinput | 21:48 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, the ham uses something else, though, it's not just dpkg | 21:48 |
| lardman | yeah, that's not my fault, is the fault of the dbus message telling me to switch | 21:48 |
| jebbajeb | lardman, ah, just got first scan to work | 21:48 |
| Flandry | oh, well that's what i meant then | 21:48 |
| lardman | I'm afraid lookups are currently rubbish, but I'm planning to sit down and write some AWS code this evening | 21:48 |
| ersin | unfortunately, it turns out that the specific combination of gcc and buildroot in diablo scratchbox is incompatabile with openoffice, it seems like i have to downgrade to 2.14 | 21:49 |
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| lardman | 2D lookups using QR are really good | 21:49 |
| ersin | but while trying to build binutils 2.14 it gives me all kinds of errors because i don't have the maemo patches | 21:49 |
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| ersin | binutils 2.20 builds fine, but then i still get the same errors with openoffice | 21:49 |
| Arkenoi | lardman: nothing at all, no fix | 21:49 |
| ersin | is there any way to get around this? or to downgrade binutils? or perhaps even upgrade gcc? | 21:49 |
| jebbajeb | it wasnt able to scan a book barcode probably because the book was orange-ish and there wasnt enough contrast (?) | 21:50 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, I'm not sure what privileges package scripts have, I guess they can't modify just any file. would seem like a logical thing to restrict that | 21:50 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: the camera needs a reasonable amount of light | 21:50 |
| Flandry | how about: cat /etc/udev/rules.d/51-uinput-accelemymote.rules | 21:50 |
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| lardman | Arkenoi: what barcode is this? | 21:50 |
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| Flandry | yeah i know | 21:50 |
| jebbajeb | lardman, i even went outside to try it.... (daylight here) | 21:50 |
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| Flandry | i'm just trying to figure out how to do this | 21:51 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, KERNEL=="uinput", NAME="input/%k", MODE="0660", GROUP="users" | 21:51 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: and the barcode fills the screen? | 21:51 |
| Flandry | ok good | 21:51 |
| Flandry | so a restart would probably fix it | 21:51 |
| jebbajeb | lardman yes | 21:51 |
| lardman | hmm, odd | 21:51 |
| Flandry | or a re-mod? | 21:51 |
| Flandry | not sure | 21:51 |
| mikkov | lardman: It seems that barcodes which are resolved to some product name crashes mbarcode about 50 % of scans | 21:52 |
| derf | lardman: An option to save the scanned image to a file would probably be invaluable for debugging. | 21:52 |
| jebbajeb | lardman, also, i launch mbarcode, then open the camera, then the *camera* app launches. | 21:52 |
| Arkenoi | lardman: just generic barcodes on books, dvd disks etc | 21:52 |
| lardman | mikkov: yeah, that's the lookup code crashing | 21:52 |
| fusi | this winmo phone is gonna meet a hard wall at high speed soon if it doesnt stop faffing abouut. | 21:52 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, let me try reboot first | 21:52 |
| Flandry | ok thanks a lot | 21:52 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, or if it's helpful I can try something else first? | 21:53 |
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| tran228 | please help me identify this song very easy http://www.musicuploader.org/MUSIC/550851259697143.mp3 | 21:53 |
| kalikianatoli | if it would help for packaging | 21:53 |
| lardman | strange cos even with really poor light here I have no troubles reading 1D barcodes | 21:53 |
| lardman | you do have to hold the N900 still for a second or two | 21:53 |
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| jebbajeb | lardman, ya, or else it kind of "wiggles". | 21:53 |
| copumpkin | does anyone know of an implementation of tor for maemo? | 21:54 |
| Flandry | well without knowing what rights HAM gives to install scripts i'm at a loss | 21:54 |
| lardman | when you click the Scan! button it has to autofocus, etc | 21:54 |
| tran228 | please help me identify this song very easy http://www.musicuploader.org/MUSIC/550851259697143.mp3 | 21:54 |
| Flandry | i'm not that familiar with loading and unloading modules | 21:54 |
| lardman | in fact performance is better on the N800 with the fixed focus camera | 21:54 |
| jebbajeb | lardman, seems to not autofocus too much though, esp. when close | 21:54 |
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| kalikianatoli | Flandry, I did chgrp and according to accelemymote it's fixed | 21:54 |
| |R | tran228: i don't know but it sounds horrible | 21:54 |
| lardman | due to no autofocus lag | 21:54 |
| Flandry | yeah i'd expect that | 21:55 |
| jebbajeb | lardman, how to erase an entry that is there to try again? | 21:55 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: you have to hold it at ~10cm, depends on the light though | 21:55 |
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| Flandry | how to get it to do that though... | 21:55 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: just click scan again | 21:55 |
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| jebbajeb | also, i'm seeing corruption at the top of the screen (random pixels) at the taskbar/panel thing | 21:55 |
| tran228 | no one can tell me | 21:56 |
| lardman | yeah, that's an artefact of the rotation | 21:56 |
| lardman | not a major issue imo | 21:56 |
| lardman | due to the camera display window being non-double buffered | 21:56 |
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| Flandry | i can't think of an alternative route. If you could verify it restarts with the right permissions and then actually test it in game that will be it. | 21:57 |
| Flandry | i wonder how to find out the right way to do this | 21:57 |
| mashiara | anyone here know definitive is N900 bootloader can handle bzImage (as opposed to zImage) ? | 21:57 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: ? | 21:57 |
| mashiara | seems not to be here now. | 21:58 |
| copumpkin | can I use any version of the maemo SDK on the n800? | 21:58 |
| copumpkin | or must it be an older version? | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: no, i don't think so | 21:58 |
| lardman | copumpkin: Diablo, 4.1 iirc | 21:58 |
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| mashiara | copumpkin: but it should be possible to install the diablo sdk stuff on a more recent scratchbox | 21:59 |
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| lardman | yeah, you can install it in the same one as the Fremantle stuff | 21:59 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: I was wondering because the wiki page is kinda inconclusive | 21:59 |
| mashiara | make bzImage but flash zImage, wtf ? | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: i always use zImages :P | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: see if it works? :P | 22:00 |
| ersin | sorry to ask my question again, but does anyone have any idea how to change the binutils/gcc version in scratchbox, or how to compile openoffice in scratchbox? | 22:00 |
| Myrtti | are you seriously trying to fit openoffice to a device? | 22:00 |
| lardman | configure && make ? | 22:00 |
| ersin | you better believe it | 22:01 |
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| ersin | lardman: ha thanks | 22:01 |
| lardman | ;) | 22:01 |
| ersin | :-P | 22:01 |
| RST38h | nethack build finished | 22:01 |
| ersin | i'm having problems with the binutils version | 22:01 |
| jebbajeb | lardman, the main issue seems to be that it just isnt autofocusing well enough to take a good scan. Won't autofocus on it in plain camera mode either. hmm | 22:01 |
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| ersin | i need to downgrade it to 2.14 to get the compile to work | 22:01 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, hrm.. still the game doesn't seem to be aware of what I do at all | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | I've given up on using them on my *desktop*, I hate to think how they'd perform on the bloody phone | 22:01 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: try further away | 22:01 |
| tran228 | please help me identify this song very easy http://www.musicuploader.org/MUSIC/550851259697143.mp3 | 22:01 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: I was just thinking that since there is a limit to size of zImage (can't remember the actual size limit offhand) that maybe this was the problem why the custom kernel I compiled a while back would not boot | 22:01 |
| ersin | Myrtti: have you used qole's easy-deb on the n800? | 22:02 |
| lardman | ersin: downgrade, why? | 22:02 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, I tried tilting the device with and without holding any keys, nothing happens | 22:02 |
| ersin | Myrtti: that has openoffice 3 and it runs quite smoothly | 22:02 |
| mikhas | but it is usuable? | 22:02 |
| mikhas | is it* | 22:02 |
| johnsq | Myrtti: it is usable with 586 32mb | 22:02 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: since I just verified that if I just dpkg-buildpackage the stock kernel as-is I can flash it to the device and everything (seems to) works | 22:02 |
| ersin | lardman: because the binutils + gcc combination is apparently incompatable | 22:02 |
| Myrtti | ersin: great! I'd still not use it. | 22:02 |
| Flandry | oh boy | 22:02 |
| Myrtti | give me an editor and latex and I'll be a happy camper ;-) | 22:02 |
| ersin | lardman: see this link, http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=16329 | 22:02 |
| RST38h | Now building vultures... | 22:03 |
| ersin | Myrtti: it may be difficult to believe, but I'm actually using my n800 as my main desktop machine | 22:03 |
| Flandry | ok, run /opt/uqm/uqm-default and see if it lists the joystick in the log | 22:03 |
| * RST38h gives Myrtti ore latex | 22:03 | |
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| Myrtti | oo, spanky | 22:03 |
| RST38h | The editor could not be persuaded to move | 22:03 |
| Flandry | also, see if the joystick device exists in /dev/ (probably /dev/input/js0) | 22:03 |
| Myrtti | yeah, I've got mah geany anyway already | 22:03 |
| lardman | ersin: you mean there's a problem with the source ;) | 22:03 |
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| lardman | ersin: but yeah, harsh, no idea sorry | 22:04 |
| Flandry | note that it will only be there while accelemymote is running, and it dies when uqm ends | 22:04 |
| ersin | lardman: yes yes =) but what can i do? much easier to change binutils then ooo =) | 22:04 |
| ersin | lardman: alright, thanks, i'll send an e-mail to the list | 22:04 |
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| kalikianatoli | Flandry, could 0 joysticks were found be a problem? | 22:06 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Is Geany usable on N900? Should be too small, no? | 22:06 |
| Flandry | :P | 22:06 |
| Flandry | lsmod | grep "joy" | 22:06 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: I don't have a N900 to try it on | 22:06 |
| RST38h | No joy found? | 22:06 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Oh | 22:06 |
| copumpkin | hmm, the maemo scratchbox 4.1 installer is bugging me about only running on i386 (I'm on x86_64). Any way to work around this? | 22:06 |
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| kalikianatoli | Flandry, nothing | 22:06 |
| Flandry | ah | 22:07 |
| Flandry | modprobe joydev then i guess | 22:07 |
| RST38h | cpumpkin: Run 32bit Linux | 22:07 |
| Flandry | crap :/ | 22:07 |
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| kalikianatoli | Flandry, doesn't exist | 22:07 |
| Flandry | might not be compiled in | 22:07 |
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| copumpkin | RST38h: helpful, I'll be back in several hours after I migrate my stuff over to a new installation | 22:07 |
| Flandry | well, poo | 22:07 |
| Klowner | wtf is fedex | 22:08 |
| Flandry | wait a minute, didn't gamepads work on N810 | 22:08 |
| Klowner | (er, that was a 'where' not a 'what') | 22:08 |
| DangerMaus | Klowner, still nothing? | 22:08 |
| DangerMaus | its awsome | 22:09 |
| RST38h | ohmygod it wants bison | 22:09 |
| Flandry | lol | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | yacc! | 22:09 |
| kalikianatoli | Flandry, I have to take care of something, I'll be back in a few. | 22:09 |
| Flandry | nethack does? | 22:09 |
| Flandry | ok, thanks for your time | 22:09 |
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| jebbajeb | lardman, you can watch what i'm talking about here: https://qik.com/jebba I *think* i'm doing it live, not sure! | 22:09 |
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| * RST38h installls freaking bison and m4 for a good measure | 22:10 | |
| RST38h | Flandry: Vulture's | 22:10 |
| RST38h | bison: subsidiary program `/scratchbox/tools/bin/m4' not found | 22:10 |
| RST38h | What do I do about this one? | 22:11 |
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| Klowner | DangerMaus: still nothing, I'll be pissed if they decide to bring it tomorrow | 22:11 |
| Klowner | I'll drive over to the distro facility | 22:11 |
| DangerMaus | yepyep | 22:12 |
| Flandry | looks like previous NITs required compilation of the joystick driver as well :? | 22:12 |
| DangerMaus | times like this i look for fedex vs. ups truck accidents | 22:12 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: looking now | 22:13 |
| jebbajeb | ok 1 sec | 22:14 |
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| lardman | hmm, got to go help my wife with a bag | 22:16 |
| lardman | bbiam | 22:16 |
| jebbajeb | lardman, could you see that at all? I think there is like 90 second delay or something | 22:16 |
| lardman | I can see the book though | 22:16 |
| jebbajeb | i just finished | 22:17 |
| jebbajeb | doesnt focus for shit | 22:17 |
| jebbajeb | I can't watch the qik channel tho cuz it doesnt work with gnash... | 22:17 |
| lardman | you have to start Scan! when you;re in the right pos, it doens't focus all the time | 22:17 |
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| jebbajeb | well, even using qik it doesnt appear to focus, no matter how long i hold the thing | 22:18 |
| spaghetty | hi | 22:18 |
| jebbajeb | i did try a macro setting on the camera too. During that video everything was set to "automatic" | 22:18 |
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| mashiara | stskeeps: yay! Managed to compile and flash a working custom kernel with the NAT modules | 22:25 |
| jebbajeb | cool congrats | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: congrats :) | 22:25 |
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| konttori | so, we'll get 500 dollar 3g router? | 22:25 |
| mashiara | if the same config patch can be used to compile usable NAT modules for the stock kernel I'll be really happy | 22:25 |
| konttori | (kidding, really great stuff!) | 22:25 |
| mashiara | think JoikuSpot killer... | 22:26 |
| RST38h | Weird: Vulture's does not link executable file. What do I do now? | 22:26 |
| Flandry | what did that involve, mashiara? | 22:26 |
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| Flandry | it looks like i'll need to build a kernel module too | 22:27 |
| frals | mashiara: awesome with the NAT modules! :D | 22:27 |
| jebbajeb | damn qik seemed to only keep the end of that vid hmm | 22:28 |
| mashiara | flandry: in theory it doesn't involve much, in practise I for example so far always get symbol version mismatch when trying to compile the conntrack and nat modules for the stock kernel | 22:28 |
| Flandry | eww | 22:28 |
| mashiara | flandry: which is bad but not yet fatal, the fatal stuff comes from missing symbols but my latest configuration patch might be able to avoid that | 22:29 |
| Flandry | is the source package for the kernel available? I didn't even check | 22:29 |
| mashiara | Flandry: sure it is | 22:30 |
| spaghetty | someone have some infos for sync N900 with linux, i mean contacts | 22:30 |
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| mashiara | Flandry: apt-get source kernel | 22:30 |
| Flandry | why would you get symbol mismatch then? | 22:30 |
| mashiara | Flandry: I have *no* idea | 22:30 |
| cehteh | spaghetty: i hope rsync will work :P | 22:30 |
| mashiara | Flandry: I'm even compiling it via dpkg-buildpacke, just adding a small extra step to the config-stamp to patch the .config | 22:31 |
| spaghetty | really with evolution ? do you have some reference ? | 22:31 |
| mashiara | to enable the modules I need | 22:31 |
| Flandry | W: Unable to locate package kernel | 22:31 |
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| mashiara | Flandry: FREMANTLE_ARMEL target ? | 22:32 |
| Flandry | There's kernel-source | 22:32 |
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| Flandry | doh | 22:32 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: You have to remember the hw can't do continual autofocus, which means nothing while taking video | 22:32 |
| jebbajeb | then user error. HOWTO then? | 22:33 |
| lardman | if you start mbarcode and it's not pointed in the right direction, etc., then tap the video image (and hold the N900 still) and it will pause the stream and autofocus then | 22:33 |
| lardman | otherwise just hold it at the right distance when you tap Scan! | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | Ok, I am giving up :((( | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | This vulture's stuff does not link an executable | 22:34 |
| lardman | it may be that the 1D code can be improved to handle out of focus in the same way that derf's QR code does | 22:34 |
| lardman | so that focus is less important | 22:35 |
| derf | Maybe, but it's difficult. | 22:35 |
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| lardman | well you did a good job with QR | 22:35 |
| derf | 1-D barcodes rely heavily on the ratio between bar sizes. | 22:35 |
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| derf | In QR all of the elements are the same size, so I can just use the center of everything. | 22:36 |
| lardman | hmm, ok | 22:36 |
| jebbajeb | ok thx | 22:36 |
| lardman | still possible, but perhaps not easy | 22:36 |
| derf | Which is not impossible to do for 1-D... | 22:36 |
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| derf | But yeah, requires some substantial changes. | 22:36 |
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| lardman | but tbh datamatrix performance is pants, that needs serious work | 22:36 |
| derf | It'll almost surely never be as robust as QR. | 22:37 |
| lardman | I need to get some vague amazon lookup going, then I'll go back to the good stuff - algorithms :) | 22:37 |
| derf | Though there has to be ways to make it substantially faster. | 22:37 |
| lardman | yep | 22:37 |
| mashiara | ls | 22:37 |
| lardman | . .. | 22:37 |
| mashiara | sorrty, wrong window... | 22:37 |
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| DangerMaus | damn the speakers in this thing sound great considering what it is | 22:45 |
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| * Klowner stews | 22:48 | |
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| mece | WebGL on N900. pretty cool. | 22:49 |
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| jebbajeb | how are updates with the app manager different from just a `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade`? | 22:51 |
| Flandry | well for one thing, HAM will remove apps that aren't in /use/ when the package that depends on them is removed | 22:52 |
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| DangerMaus | Klowner, ? | 22:54 |
| jebbajeb | i read that apt-get upgrade shouldnt be used (somewhere), but not sure if that's old info or not. Sure easier to do apt-get upgrade, than tap tap tap.... | 22:54 |
| mece | apt-get dist-upgrade will brick the phone I hear. | 22:54 |
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| jebbajeb | "can", not will IIRC | 22:55 |
| Klowner | DangerMaus: still nothing | 22:56 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: this is weird I recompiled (again) modules for the stock kernel, inserting nf_conntrack fails with disagreement about symbol versions and two symbols missing alltogether, however inserting msdos.ko works fine... | 22:56 |
| mece | right.. | 22:56 |
| kalikianatoli | jebbajeb, ham doesn't store packages in the root fs | 22:56 |
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| DangerMaus | wshake fist ah driver agter you got it in hand | 22:57 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: dpkg-buildpackage should rebuild everything, right ? doing another test on a clean extract of the kernel source just to be sure... | 22:57 |
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| kalikianatoli | mashiara, you can see that does does because it oututs recursive rm commands when it starts :-) | 22:58 |
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| kalikianatoli | you don't have to hope it does | 22:58 |
| mashiara | yeah, at this point I'm kind of paranoid | 22:58 |
| mashiara | since one module compiled in SB at the same time as another works but other complains about symbol versions... | 22:59 |
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| mece | D'oh! I couldn't figure out why osso.Context() didn't work on an N900 | 23:02 |
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| mece | Turns out you actually have to own the processes where the context is to run them. I didn't have the device so I ssh'd into a friends device. Didn't work. But it did work when he tried it locally on his phone. | 23:03 |
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| * mashiara would really like to have some way to choose which kernel to boot | 23:03 | |
| mashiara | without flashing everytime | 23:03 |
| mece | would have been cool to run notifications though.. | 23:03 |
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| Stskeeps | mashiara: get kexec working | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:04 |
| mece | well I'm off to bed. toodles. | 23:04 |
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| mashiara | stskeeps: I was thinking more in the line of the dualboot stuff someone did for N810 | 23:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so, the map data is ... | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: you didn't know we have bootmenu for n900? | 23:05 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: I saw something like it when momentarily enablin rd-mode | 23:06 |
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| Stskeeps | mashiara: yeah, that one is broken. sec | 23:06 |
| mashiara | stskeeps but how to tell it where to load the kernel from | 23:06 |
| timeless_mbp | is anyone here familiar w/ South America? | 23:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i need someone to try going through a map to decide which points in it are bad | 23:07 |
| fuz_ | even with bootmenu, we must have a single kernel for all OS booted from bootmenu, isn't it ? | 23:07 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: Yeah, sure! That's that city in Europe, innit? | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: kexec is broken in n900 kernels | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | :/ | 23:08 |
| Flandry | oh man | 23:08 |
| Flandry | kernel modules :/ | 23:08 |
| copumpkin | anyone know of a libevent package for maemo? | 23:08 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/clock/n900.html#391 | 23:09 |
| copumpkin | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/libe/libevent/ looks like it? | 23:09 |
| Flandry | anyone successfully building and installing kernel modules on fremantle? | 23:09 |
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| Flandry | and does it work from a deb with HAM | 23:09 |
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| mashiara | Flandry: my "custom" kernel works | 23:10 |
| Flandry | well that's good | 23:10 |
| mashiara | Flandry: basically it's the stock one but extra modules enabled and EXTRAVERSION set | 23:10 |
| Flandry | but you had to reflash... | 23:11 |
| mashiara | yes... | 23:11 |
| Flandry | lol | 23:11 |
| mashiara | you could try to just compile the joystick module | 23:11 |
| mashiara | it might work | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: I can barely see the text :\ | 23:11 |
| mashiara | in theory all this *should* work | 23:11 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: zoom | 23:11 |
| Flandry | that's a wee step beyond HAM | 23:11 |
| Flandry | oh? I really haven't done any kernel module fiddling | 23:12 |
| copumpkin | hmm, running configure in my scratchbox environment seems to be doing the wrong thing | 23:12 |
| copumpkin | oh wait, it's fine | 23:12 |
| archebyte | this is a test from the N900 | 23:12 |
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| mashiara | Flandry: if you have a list of modules you need (basically drill-down of where to find them in menuconfig) I can try to compile them | 23:13 |
| mashiara | since I've been trying this for a week now... | 23:13 |
| Flandry | i just need joydev i think | 23:14 |
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| Flandry | but if installing it is hairy it won't be useful to anyone else | 23:14 |
| hardaker | What can do IRC on the 900? pigin or does something else do it to? | 23:14 |
| lcuk | anyone want a beer? | 23:14 |
| GAN900 | I hate the trail of open windows the Maemo 5 UI insists on leaving around. | 23:14 |
| GAN900 | XChat | 23:14 |
| hardaker | ah | 23:14 |
| archebyte | hello | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: I have recycled water, if you're interested | 23:15 |
| mashiara | flandry: if it can be made to compile and cleanly work with stock kernel then it can be packaged into a nice .deb | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N900, ummm | 23:15 |
| lcuk | everyone has recycled water | 23:15 |
| Flandry | that would be awesome | 23:15 |
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| kynky | telepathy-idle does irc , maybe pidgin, some1 reccomeneded ssh into remote irssi | 23:16 |
| Flandry | what has most of your time been spent on to get this working anyway? | 23:16 |
| Flandry | if i'm going to go with an actual kernel module, it might be better to put the functionality into it | 23:17 |
| Flandry | or at least the userspace portion | 23:17 |
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| mashiara | Flan | 23:20 |
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| mashiara | sorry... | 23:20 |
| mashiara | Flandry: any other options than CONFIG_INPUT_JOYDEV, think fast | 23:20 |
| mashiara | the compile will take a while... | 23:21 |
| Flandry | i have no idea | 23:21 |
| Flandry | i haven't compiled a kernel since gentoo | 23:21 |
| fnordianslip | GAN900: have you found a way to get contacts out of the address book on your mac to your n900 yet? | 23:21 |
| Flandry | what steps have you had to take beyond just getting the source? | 23:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | fnordianslip, I don't maintain an addressbook on my Mac. | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | fnordianslip, however, vCards should serve. | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Holy shit | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's an N900 advertisement on Xbox Live. | 23:23 |
| Flandry | sweet | 23:23 |
| fnordianslip | GAN900: ok. i was hoping for a bulk transfer method. no worries. | 23:23 |
| w00t | <insert comment about still not having one here> | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: scary | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Holy shit | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a theme to go with it. | 23:24 |
| w00t | which is? | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: they're finally taking maemo marketing seriously? | 23:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: have you looked at my map? :) | 23:25 |
| mashiara | Flandry: there is a wiki page http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Kernel_Guide | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, nope. | 23:25 |
| mashiara | though it's a bit dated | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N900 | GeneralAntilles: Pics or it didn't happen. ;) | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, one sec. | 23:26 |
| mashiara | flandry: but the basic idea is get source and run make rx51_defconfig | 23:26 |
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| mashiara | flandry: then see the wiki page about fixing menuconfig on SB and then do your menuconfig | 23:27 |
| Flandry | mashiara: ah, thanks. Is that wiki page blatantly wrong anywhere? Something that takes weeks to figure out? :D | 23:27 |
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| mashiara | then either start compiling or make patch of your config vs the defconfig and edit the debian/rules to patch the configuration when building package | 23:27 |
| mashiara | Flandry: don't bother making separate SB target | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Utterly bizarre | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/ | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, ^ | 23:28 |
| mashiara | Flandry: and the EXTRAVERSION=-maemo2 is just wrong | 23:28 |
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| aSIMULAtor | i like your peanutbutter and banana sandwich photo | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: that one wonders me too | 23:29 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Ooh, shiny | 23:29 |
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| mashiara | stskeeps: looking at the debian/rules it seems they used that for a long while | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: yeah, but on device it's -omap1 | 23:29 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: and then decided to just use the -omap2 that is default in the Makefile | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: mm | 23:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAter, I need to buy some more bananas. | 23:30 |
| mashiara | hmm, | 23:30 |
| mashiara | let me check something... | 23:30 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, they should add it to the Wii market too :D | 23:30 |
| mashiara | yes, omap1 is default in Makefile | 23:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, the N900 theme is sadly uncreative. | 23:30 |
| mashiara | must have mixed maemo2 and omap1 in my brain | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: They want real gamers, not 6 year-old kids | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, hey! | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | You haven't played Super Mario Bros Wii yet, clearly. | 23:32 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, well, but could be a good 'gesture' anyway :P | 23:32 |
| Flandry | so what did you use? | 23:32 |
| mashiara | flandry ? I used dpkg-buildpackage which does not set extraversion (ie uses -omap1 from the Makefile) | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N900 | GeneralAntilles: Meh, looking to sell the Wii. Need something proper, whether that be a PS3 or an Xbox 360 :) | 23:33 |
| Sargun_Screen | yay | 23:33 |
| Flandry | oh, right | 23:33 |
| kynky | only 1 choice then :) | 23:33 |
| mashiara | Flandry: though in theory it should be possible to just say "make zImage modules" | 23:34 |
| mashiara | and then copy the module over, in fact this is what I started with | 23:34 |
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| cehteh | someone should setup a kernel repository with proven kernels, documenting what feature each contains :P | 23:35 |
| Flandry | that's not the source of your symbol mismatch then | 23:35 |
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| mashiara | but since I had symbol name issues I figured out I'm doing something wrong (even though it doesn't look like it) and started patching the config in debian/rules and using dpkg-buildpackage | 23:35 |
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| cehteh | well is it possible to build a vanilla 2.6.31 or so kernel for the n900 or is the nokia kernel suffiently patched to make it hard? | 23:36 |
| kynky | kernel is gpl2 | 23:36 |
| yannj | cehteh : I think there is a vanilla firmware existing | 23:36 |
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| Flandry | so the debian package build _is_ right | 23:36 |
| cehteh | gpl doesnt mean its easy to maintain | 23:36 |
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| cehteh | i know/heared that the kernel is not tainted | 23:37 |
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| cehteh | would be nice if nokia just makes an public git | 23:38 |
| mashiara | flandry: I also build vanilla kernel without patching config and flashed that and everything worked, this was made to doublecheck my SB doesn't subtly mess things up | 23:38 |
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| Flandry | ok that's good to know | 23:38 |
| cehteh | ah fine | 23:38 |
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| mashiara | flandry: as I said, I'm getting paranoid with these issues that in theory should not exist | 23:39 |
| yannj | does someone know how to launch browser with a url , tryed " browser http://blahblahblah" but doesnt work | 23:39 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | browser --url=http://blahblahblah | 23:40 |
| mashiara | at least on diablo it could be also done from dbus | 23:40 |
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| Flandry | yeah that works too | 23:41 |
| * qwerty12_N900 nods. it comes with a wrapper for that (if doing it from the shell): browser_dbuscmd.sh | 23:41 | |
| yannj | qwerty12_N900 : tks | 23:42 |
| dieg | Today I sended back my N900 to Nokia Spain because the mic problem! | 23:42 |
| mashiara | yannj: python code that worked in diablo: http://friendpaste.com/1Rv95pnPUaXm42uJOr4pKg | 23:42 |
| mashiara | this opens a new window, so does not replace existing windows url if one was already open | 23:43 |
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| yannj | ok | 23:44 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, GAN900: I'm trying to buy a refurbished mbp from the US store... I can't pay because I only have a UK credit card... Bloody wankers | 23:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, online or in person? | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: they sell refurbished in B&M stores now? | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you might be able to do it over the phone. | 23:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh, right, that. | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: nha, tried over the phone, they sent me to UK customer service to see if they could help me, but they can only do purchase and delivery to the UK | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | (purchase from UK store, at UK prices) | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | That sucks | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | yup | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | going to ask a friend if he wants to pay for me, I'll pay him in cash | 23:46 |
| Xisdibik | B&M? | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | brick and mortar | 23:46 |
| Xisdibik | thats a US store? | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | ... | 23:47 |
| Xisdibik | ive never even heard of it before lol | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | no, it's an expression to say it's a "real" store | 23:47 |
| Xisdibik | must be a UK expression :P | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | as in it was built with bricks and mortar | 23:47 |
| Xisdibik | things in USA are rarely bricks and mortar these days :) | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | Xisdibik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_and_mortar | 23:47 |
| Xisdibik | C&R would be more appropriate for a US store | 23:47 |
| brian946 | anyone else getting this: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps/./Packages Could not resolve host: downloads.maemo.nokia.com (Could not contact DNS servers) | 23:47 |
| Xisdibik | Concrete and Rebarb | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | Xisdibik: it is a US term you idiot | 23:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, brick and mortar is common here. | 23:48 |
| Xisdibik | ive never once in my life heard anyone say that | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The term, that is. | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | brian946: works for me | 23:48 |
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| crashanddie | brian946: however, there's a certificate issue | 23:49 |
| brian946 | crashanddie thx, i was afraid you would say that....doh | 23:49 |
| crashanddie | brian946: apparently an akamai server picked up and provides an akamai certificate (with wrong subject) | 23:49 |
| brian946 | i can install from extras and extras-devel, but not the two main repos | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | brian946: try http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps/Packages | 23:50 |
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| brian946 | crashanddie: ok | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | or http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps/./Packages rather | 23:50 |
| brian946 | crashanddie: just replace https with http? | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | brian946: yeah, long shot though | 23:51 |
| brian946 | crashanddie: I get a 403 forbidden error now | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | brian946: same as me | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | brian946: that's what you usually get, considering that you need your auth key in order to access that repo | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | IIRC | 23:53 |
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| brian946 | crashanddie: hmmm...so you can access it normally...does that mean my auth key is "bad" or something? | 23:54 |
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| crashanddie | brian946: No, I get the same results as you, so basically, you don't have an issue! | 23:56 |
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| brian946 | crashanddie: ok...thank you very much | 23:57 |
| brian946 | crashanddie: i wonder if i could work around it by changing to a different dns | 23:58 |
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| crashanddie | brian946: try opendns | 23:58 |
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