IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-12-01

lcukmikhas, i dont like censorship, if a person wants to read every single line of text writter there great00:00
*** gletelli_ has quit IRC00:00
lcukbut there should be a way for posts to be moderated00:00
*** Lorthirk has quit IRC00:00
timeless_mbpit seems that roughly all of the the cities in continental North America north of Tijuana/Miami are misplaced00:00
kalikianaFinally, Midori shows up in apt and on maemo.org00:00
lcukand to show only the highest by default :)00:00
*** gletelli_ has joined #maemo00:00
*** anselmolsm has joined #maemo00:00
lcuk"thanks" is a good one00:00
javispedroi think any tmo s/n plan should base on allowing each user to select the forums he wants to select for the "active topics" view00:00
lcukthe default fora view might only show thanked entries00:00
mikhasthere might need to be a filtered area if we are aexpected to read it, yeah00:00
javispedroand enforcing proper subforum separation00:00
lcukthat would improve the s/n drastically00:00
javispedrolike, no idiots posts in development forums00:00
lcukfor random viewers00:01
lcuklogged in users can switch to view all etc00:01
lcukand join in the live conversation00:01
crashanddielcuk: or rated 3 stars or more by people who have a positive t/p ratio00:01
*** `0660 has joined #maemo00:01
lcukthat needs new options and db stuff00:01
qwerty12_N900kalikiana: Say hi to hash error00:01
lcukwe have thanks that works00:02
javispedrothe slashdot system has a problem though, it tends to promote "spectacular" posts instead of "right" wrongs00:02
mikhaswell, so what you want is
pekujadieg: a forum thread is hardly a statistic. I don't think anyone not handling returns or repairs knows what the failure rate is really like. This sort of thing happens with most new high-tech devices at the beginning. It does suck. I hope I don't get that problem, and I hope you can get a new one promptly.00:02
lcukjavispedro, it would happen everywhere00:02
lcukby popular vote00:02
kalikianaqwerty12_N900, hash error?00:02
lcuksure, but thats therefore our jobs as thankers00:02
*** myosound has quit IRC00:02
lcukto mark good quality items00:02
lcukwhich we seem to do00:02
lcukthe thread ranking isnt worth it00:02
lcukcos thats for the overall thread00:02
lcuknd doesnt relaly give much knowledge of whats inside00:03
*** ajaxous has quit IRC00:03
qwerty12_N900kalikiana: "No Hash entry in Release file..." Basically, as per-usual, extras-devel has messed up00:03
kalikianaqwerty12_N900, you mean it took long because it had a wrong checksum?00:03
javispedroit's too late for tmo, save yourselves!00:03
lcukno its not00:03
*** EspadaV8_P has joined #maemo00:03
lcuki would be really interested to see a quick test on the thanked view00:03
*** Free_maN has quit IRC00:03
lcukthe data exists00:04
lcukand we would know if it would work00:04
lcukfor a general outsiders view on the forums00:04
SpeedEvilMy free n900's mic works.00:04
*** aakashd has quit IRC00:04
* SpeedEvil checks bank account again to see if they've unscrewed it.00:04
mikhastheory: the mic doesnt work if you have to pay for your n900?00:04
lcukoverruled. i paid with blood00:05
lcukand my mic still works00:05
*** `0660__ has quit IRC00:05
*** chenca has quit IRC00:05
javispedroSpeedEvil: you got yours already?00:05
mikhasperhaps that does the trick, yeah. did you give your soul, too?00:05
woglindelcuk hasnt a soul at all00:06
lcuknot after you destroyed it with packaging00:06
qwerty12_N900andre__: "Note to Andre: Drop your non-public Nokia stuff here" - so, like, where is it? :P00:06
*** aakashd has joined #maemo00:06
*** archebyte has left #maemo00:07
*** EspadaV8_P has quit IRC00:07
SpeedEviljavispedro: yes. Ordered on the 20th of oct, they took money on the 23rd of nov, it arrived on the 30th (today) - and they put the money back.00:07
*** Andril has joined #maemo00:07
SpeedEvilWhich was a little odd.00:07
javispedroone shouldn't worry about that.00:07
javispedrothey'll get the money one way of the other00:07
andre__qwerty12_N900, in my pocket. But it's useless to publish it as it only makes sense for people with access to the internal database anyway...00:08
SpeedEvilThey have the right to come in and take it if I don't pay. (reading the website T&Cs :)00:08
andre__qwerty12_N900, you actually read code? no other hobbies, eh? ;-)00:08
qwerty12_N900andre__: Oh, I read it, I just don't promise to understand it =)00:08
*** ajaxous has joined #maemo00:09
johnsqandre__: reading code of others is good for learning00:09
andre__qwerty12_N900, I have the same problem here, I simply don't get my code ;-)00:09
ShapeshifterI think the word "dealbreaker" should be erased from the English language00:09
* javispedro remembers the celerity (hours) of his uni to collect money when grants expire, and the slowness (years) to return the money when grants are renewed00:09
*** AakashPatel has quit IRC00:09
*** blade_runner has quit IRC00:11
simula__that shapeshifter, would be a dealbreaker00:11
*** simula__ is now known as simula00:11
Vink_Does maeno use a stripdown Xserver00:11
*** anselmolsm has quit IRC00:12
Vink_what windowing system does it use?00:12
johnsqVink_: just complete X1100:12
kynkyas opposed to xfree8600:13
Vink_isn't that too heavy/ big for phone devices00:13
*** hannesw__ has quit IRC00:13
*** simula_ has quit IRC00:13
Vink_does the phone appear slow/00:13
SpeedEvilVink_: This is not a phone.00:13
kynkyits super smooth00:13
SpeedEvilVink_: It's a cutting edge desktop system of 10 years ago.00:13
kynkyis a mid00:13
*** KMFDM has quit IRC00:13
aSIMULAtorugh i found something annoying00:13
Vink_N900 ?00:13
javispedrohey, I find that a great definition actually :)00:13
johnsqVink_: x11 did run on old 386 cpus with 33mhz00:13
aSIMULAtori'm calling a US 1 877 number00:13
aSIMULAtorwith skype00:14
aSIMULAtoron the n90000:14
Vink_I know its a debian derived00:14
aSIMULAtorand it doesn't support dtmf dialpad00:14
aSIMULAtorwhen it asks you "press 1 for your mom press 2 for your arse" etc00:14
jebbajeb1this thing is the greatest fone ever. Just got my n90000:14
Vink_maemo 5?00:14
timeless_mbpaSIMULAtor: that's supposed to be fixed in a later service release00:14
timeless_mbpfind someone who has a vpn and grab an updated version :)00:14
aSIMULAtorwhich release?00:14
timeless_mbpbut beware of downgrade issues on the cellmo00:15
timeless_mbpum, good question00:15
qwerty12_N900"Ability to connect with ones' arse, fixed for aSIMULAtor"00:15
aSIMULAtorohhhhhh i'm soooooooooo pissed00:15
aSIMULAtori ordered some clothes00:15
aSIMULAtorand they cancelled my friggin order00:15
Stskeepsthis is how people feel with n900s, aSIMULAtor00:15
timeless_mbpwho would cancel an order for clothes?00:15
timeless_mbpand why?00:15
aSIMULAtorok i tried to order first with my cc, and get it shipped to my parents in california00:16
*** dieg has quit IRC00:16
aSIMULAtorand they were like FAIL00:16
*** onion_ has joined #maemo00:16
aSIMULAtorthen i called my sister and asked for her cc00:16
aSIMULAtorand i used it to order, then get it shipped to hers00:16
*** simula_ has joined #maemo00:16
aSIMULAtorand cause i ordered from an IP address outside of the US00:16
*** Flyser_ has quit IRC00:16
aSIMULAtorthey cancelled the order00:16
aSIMULAtorso now i'm going to bitch at them for being pricks00:16
aSIMULAtorand PWN THEM00:16
aSIMULAtorlike you did that one time to elisa customer service :D00:16
aSIMULAtorahha that was great fun00:16
*** onion has quit IRC00:16
aSIMULAtorone of the highlights of the year 200900:17
kynkyintresting year?00:17
aSIMULAtorwe still talk about it00:17
lcuki see aSIMULAtor has had a funpacked year :p00:17
aSIMULAtoroh yeah totally00:17
aSIMULAtorit's just refreshing though to hear an american pwn finnish customer service00:17
aSIMULAtori did that last week00:17
*** simula has quit IRC00:18
aSIMULAtori complained about the drivers license theory test00:18
aSIMULAtorand the english00:18
aSIMULAtorlike WTF OK00:18
aSIMULAtortell me if u guys know what "dipped headlights" are00:18
* lcuk throws lighter across the room gruffly00:18
Vink_what is the Desktop Environment on N900?00:18
timeless_mbpVink_: um, undefined?00:18
*** juliank has quit IRC00:18
* frals stops lurking and heads back to the endless fun of Java RMI00:18
timeless_mbpwe don't have Gnome or KDE00:18
timeless_mbpwe use clutter as a window magic system00:18
timeless_mbpand gtk apps00:18
woglindefrals hehe00:19
woglindefrals dhcp00:19
kynkywith qt apps in the future00:19
lcukand everything in between00:19
mecewell in the present to some extent...00:19
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, Hildon. ;)00:19
timeless_mbperr yeah, um hildon00:19
VDVsx*hildon-desktop :)00:20
*** anselmolsm has joined #maemo00:21
qwerty12_N900hildon-home, hildon-status-menu =)00:21
Chanithere's a Plasma shell being worked on too (in kde not nokia, of course)00:21
javispedrohildon-desktop is the wm, but the whole DE should be "hildon"00:21
*** nhg has left #maemo00:21
* timeless_mbp shrugs00:21
kynkyhow much space, do ppl typically have left on root (df -h), i have about 44MB00:21
timeless_mbpit's simpler to say "there isn't a DE like the DEs you know, so stop dreaming in desktop terms, this isn't a desktop"00:21
Vink_how much is the memory footprint with all the stuff: clutter, full X11 on the Nokia 90000:22
timeless_mbpkynky: seems about right00:22
qwerty12_N900javispedro: TBH, I always think of the widgets when I hear "Hildon"00:22
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, no, just Hildon.00:22
SpeedEvil62M at the momemt00:22
javispedroso if isn't a desktop and it isn't a phone, what's that thing everyone's talking about?00:22
timeless_mbpi have 67 atm on my newly flashed n90000:22
SpeedEvilVink_: typically a thirdish of RAM in use it looks like.00:22
SpeedEvilVink_: minus buffers, cache00:23
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, yeah, he asked for the DE not the wm :P00:23
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, yes, Hildon is the DE.00:23
*** anselmolsm has quit IRC00:23
Vink_SpeedEvil, do you have any wiki link etc that consolidates all this?00:23
SpeedEvilVink_: No. may be worth a loo00:24
* timeless_mbp cries00:24
* timeless_mbp must have broken the clock00:24
* VDVsx doesn't likes hildon, very much :P00:24
woglindeanother n900 goes down00:24
qwerty12_N900timeless: You made it true to your name?00:24
SpeedEvilVDVsx: Just get KDE working on it.00:24
moo-_-timeless_mbp: back from the future? :)00:24
Ceron^qwerty12_N900: give n90000:25
* hardaker yells "yippie" and begins to open box00:25
Ceron^_still not in store_00:25
qwerty12_N900Ceron^: Sword fight! (*shoots Ceron^*)00:25
VDVsxSpeedEvil, buhhhh00:25
*** simula has joined #maemo00:25
*** bergie has quit IRC00:25
Ceron^qwerty12_N900: unfair00:26
*** tonikitoo has quit IRC00:26
qwerty12_N900Ceron^: I'm just teaching you one of life's rules00:26
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]00:26
Vink_I have a omap evm board, will it work on that board00:26
Vink_512 MB ram, 512 nand00:26
VDVsxSpeedEvil, I like the 'apparency' of the system, don't like hildon as a dev 'framework' (from a dev POV)00:27
*** brolin has quit IRC00:27
infoboti heard mer is, or on #mer00:27
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, the WM is Matchbox200:27
Stskeepsor, maybe,
lcukhey Stskeeps im sure you are on a commission for those guys :p00:27
kynkygotta say q3a arena runs alot better than i thought it would00:27
Stskeepslcuk: damn straight00:27
moo-_-kynky: are there sane conrols for it?00:27
kynkymoo-_-, i was surprised how easy it was to play00:28
* lcuk keeps ctrl c'ing irc00:28
lcukhope it doenst break it00:28
moo-_-kynky: against bots? :)00:28
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, afaik is a very modified version of matchbox, a derivate00:28
kynkyaccelerometer for moving, proximity sensor for fire, can use cursor keys for move and touch screen for look00:28
GeneralAntillesWell, sure, but it's sure not Hildon. :P00:28
kynkymoo-_-, played on internet and single player00:29
moo-_-ah. very nice trick with proximity sensor.00:29
moo-_-kynky: is proximity sensor "analog control"00:29
moo-_-i.e. it has linear response?00:29
kynkyits just fire00:29
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, well, they name it hildon-desktop00:29
*** benh has joined #maemo00:29
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, libmatchbox200:29
meceis quake 2 (whatever it was called on previous maemo versions) ported to fremantle btw?00:30
FlandryN900 owner: what does groups return?00:30
*** zaheerm-lp has quit IRC00:31
Vink_@Stskeeps, I already have ubuntu running on my arm board Cortex A900:32
* lcuk curses c for forcing ;00:32
SpeedEvilsh: groups: not found00:32
StskeepsVink_: then it's an easy step up00:32
Vink_yes, I though so, havent tried yet00:32
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, "Hildon desktop, the window manager, application launcher and switcher program."00:32
Vink_were you able to run maemo 5 on the omap board then?00:34
VDVsxand yes, it uses matchbox as a base, afaik00:34
StskeepsVink_: on zoom2 and beagle so far. there's a bug with newest SDK though00:34
lcukoh bollocks00:34
lcuki wrote a function which is deep in the system and it does a very nice thing, but now i need to change the functionality of it and its gonna be annoying00:35
Vink_oh cool, let me try on my zoom2 board00:35
qwerty12_N900lcuk: No pain, no gain00:35
StskeepsVink_: bug meaning it won't make a booting X right now until we fix the sgx patch for the kernel00:35
Vink_oh, then its no good00:36
StskeepsVink_: give us a week and it should be better00:36
lcukcurious, github isnt indexed properly by google00:36
Vink_when is it expected to be patched?00:36
lardmanStskeeps: did you get any reply btw?00:36
Stskeepslardman: none yet00:36
Vink_I have the Nvidia Tegra 200:38
*** BabelO has quit IRC00:38
Vink_any hopes of running on that?00:38
Stskeepswhat instruction set is that?00:38
Stskeepsdual cortex a9?00:38
Stskeepsfor Mer, sure, not sure about m500:39
*** tonikitoo has joined #maemo00:39
Vink_yes, dual cortex A900:39
Vink_I have the beta board00:39
*** jaem_n810 has joined #maemo00:39
Stskeepsmer needs a working kernel and a Xorg, and even better if gles2 exists00:39
*** b-man17 has quit IRC00:40
*** b-man17 has joined #maemo00:40
*** arachnist has joined #maemo00:41
*** fluff is now known as fluff|afk00:41
arachnistmmcb1k0p1 being a vfat is *bad*00:42
*** MrGoose has joined #maemo00:42
arachnisti couldn't even put Sky Blue 720p rip on it :/00:42
GeneralAntillesEw Tegra00:43
GeneralAntillesarachnist, it doesn't really playback 720p anyway.00:43
arachnistwell, mplayer complains00:43
lardmanhmm, just realised I broke portrait mode in mbarcode, time to fire up the Linux box and get fixing00:43
*** lardman has quit IRC00:43
*** alexga has quit IRC00:44
Vink_what hardware does N900 use?00:44
Vink_omap zoom2 board has the same specs00:47
*** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s00:47
*** lardman has joined #maemo00:47
jaem_n810timeless_mbp, poke00:47
timeless_mbpcounter poke00:47
Vink_dumbass question: Why doesn't X work on omap zoom 2?00:47
*** wirelessdreamer has quit IRC00:48
jaem_n810so, that Nokia dev says my code shouldn't work, but it does00:48
jaem_n810which leaves me vaguely confused00:48
StskeepsVink_: in our port? simple, in the last SDK update they suddenly updated the SGX module in kernel on us :)00:48
* timeless_mbp shrugs00:49
jaem_n810he said that the bt_ui code uses unicast DBus signals, which he said are nonstandard00:49
jaem_n810and that I'd have to use libdbus directly00:49
jaem_n810but it works00:49
Tyrant91101is maemo5 capable of running on another embedded system as long as its arm cortex?00:53
*** rm_you has joined #maemo00:53
*** DantonicN800 has quit IRC00:53
timeless_mbpTyrant91101: eh?00:53
*** LuciusMa1e has quit IRC00:54
Flandrycan't find where it talks about testing and what can reset the tests. Is it uploading a new version to extras-devel or promoting a new version to testing?00:54
moo-_-Tyrant91101: i believe not00:54
moo-_-there are more in hw than just cpu00:54
moo-_-and chipset00:54
infobotmer is, like,, or on #mer00:54
timeless_mbpmoo-_-: what do you mean?00:54
*** jayabharath has quit IRC00:54
Tyrant91101Well I mean given that the drivers/apps are updated for whatever the other hardware is00:55
timeless_mbpTyrant91101: so.... maemo5 is kinda lots of things to lots of people00:55
timeless_mbphypothetically someone w/ full source access could port it to another arm device00:55
timeless_mbpif the screen is 2px by 2px00:55
timeless_mbpthen no, maemo5 won't work there00:55
moo-_-Tyrant91101: if you want complete open start point, try openmoko and openembedded00:55
timeless_mbpand if it's 2million px by 2million px00:55
lcuktimeless, but we could make a disco app for it00:55
moo-_-they have been succefully ported00:55
timeless_mbpthen maemo5 will probably not work well there00:55
lcukwow timeless what would oyu fill a 2million*2million display with00:56
* lcuk has ideas00:56
Stskeepsliqbase, of course00:56
timeless_mbplcuk: i don't want to know00:56
Tyrant91101Where would you get a bus that can send data fast enough00:56
lcuk:D Stskeeps00:56
lcukTyrant91101, collaborative networked machines of course00:57
lcukeach one just another brick in the wall00:57
Tyrant91101You mean corraborative controllers and seperate lcd panels?00:57
* lcuk ponders holymoly200:57
lcukTyrant91101, whatever is practical00:58
Tyrant91101i dont think a 2 terapixel display is practical period :P00:58
lcukTyrant91101, the n900 is nice and brick sized00:58
lcukTyrant91101, it really depends on what you want on the display00:58
lcukif you had an array of 100*100 N900s and they were showing a small piece of the same puzzle00:58
lardmancan one only have a single DBus callback in a given application?00:59
lardmanor could I have e.g. one to handle messages sent to org.maemo.mbarcode and another for orientation messages?00:59
derflcuk: A 1048560x1048560 Theora stream, of course.00:59
Vink_roughly how much time does it take to port to other arm devices?00:59
derfThe largest the standard allows.00:59
Tyrant91101ARM not that long01:00
Tyrant91101They share common architectures01:00
moo-_-Hypermega HD01:00
lcuklardman, whn you register for signals dont they all come in the same osso port thiny01:00
lcukie i dont think you can break em up01:00
lcukderf, problem there is bandwidth01:00
lardmanlcuk: dunno, my two callbacks have different formats01:00
lcukyou need to get the data to all machines at the same time01:00
*** bilboed has quit IRC01:01
derflcuk: That's always going to be a problem with that kind of display.01:01
moo-_-lcuk: if it's not real-time you can cache the stream locally before starting show video synchronously01:01
lcukderf not really01:01
lcukyou cant cache realistically a movie over 10000 machines01:01
moo-_-lcuk: oh yes.... facebook et. al. do even trickier massive data sharding :)01:01
*** rm_you has quit IRC01:02
moo-_-cache just a local piece of it01:02
lcuklardman, i thought each specific callback was its own function anyway01:02
*** Dantonic has quit IRC01:02
lcukmoo-_-, think of the delivery system required to get the right parts of the movies to the right screens at the right time for such a system01:03
*** Dantonic has joined #maemo01:03
lcukbut if you considered rendering a fractal scene01:04
*** andre__ has quit IRC01:04
lcukjust sending out the coordinates from 1 machine to say zoom to this area01:04
*** DantonicN800 has joined #maemo01:04
lcukeach machine could act on its own with low bandwidth01:04
*** JoakimCarli has quit IRC01:04
lcukand display a live interactive view01:04
lcukand that would scale on n8x0 class hardware upto as far as the networking would allow01:05
*** MrGoose has quit IRC01:05
derflardman: There are glib bindings for dbus that can handle dispatching callbacks for you appropriately.01:06
derfBut back on the N800, at least, these were totally broken.01:06
derfI don't know if there's a newer version of dbus on newer tablets that fixes them.01:06
lardmanI'm mixing libosso rpc stuff, which is in the wiki for how to handle orientation changes, with a general DBus callback handler for messages to my app, and wondering if the latter is stealing the former's messages01:07
*** b-man17 has quit IRC01:07
*** tbf has quit IRC01:08
lardmanah well #dbus wasn't much help, just told me to ask in here01:08
*** chenca has joined #maemo01:09
lardmanperhaps I asked the wrong thing, oh well01:09
derfWell, there's always dbus_bus_get_private().01:09
derfWhich lets you get separate connections. But that seems excessive.01:09
*** goshawk has quit IRC01:10
lardmanAm just trying to find the libosso code to see what the rpc* functions actually do with the DBus bus01:10
lardmanif anyone can give me a hint as to where on Earth it lives, that would be useful01:11
lardmangitorious I guess?01:12
*** _claesbas has quit IRC01:12
Stskeepsyes, hildon desktop01:12
*** igagis_ has quit IRC01:13
*** El-Scorcho has quit IRC01:13
*** sjaensch has joined #maemo01:13
*** aspidites has joined #maemo01:13
lardmanthanks Stskeeps01:14
*** matt_c has quit IRC01:14
arachnisthere's the plan: screw the standard / which is smaller than what my other arm toy has, put / on /dev/mmcblk0p2 (which is 2GB in size), put /home on /dev/mmcblk0p1 (which is 27GB) in size, dispose of the ability to use the device as a pendrive.01:16
aSIMULAtorwhat happened to extras-devel repository01:16
aSIMULAtorstill there or ei01:16
arachnistaSIMULAtor: bunch of stuff was removed from it, especially emulators01:16
woglindeaSIMULAtor emails sounded it is fixed01:17
StskeepsaSIMULAtor: technical error in repo updating i think01:17
aSIMULAtorok cheers01:18
*** esaym153 has joined #maemo01:18
*** tonikitoo| has joined #maemo01:18
javispedro"receiving multiple calls at the same time through multiple voice, sip, or skype services" and someone on tmo says "it's a very basic problem"01:20
* javispedro sighs01:20
javispedroI hope he was being sarcastic..01:20
*** tonikitoo has quit IRC01:20
mikhasthe problem being that you let yourself into a situation where you have to handle multiple calls at the same time?01:21
*** Corsac has joined #maemo01:21
javispedrothe "dealbreaker" being that the n900 doesn't seem to handle this (rather uncommon IMHO) situation gracefully01:21
*** JPohlmann1 has quit IRC01:22
fnordianslipperswhy is it different to call waiting?01:22
*** JPohlmann has joined #maemo01:22
lbtjavispedro: clearly he's someone who can talk through his arse... :D01:23
lardmanok, so it looks like it adds callbacks for both the system and session buses01:23
greenflyas long as the n900 gives you the option to either put a current call or the incoming call on hold, or it goes to voice mail directly when you are on the phone, I don't see the big deal01:23
aSIMULAtorsuch rare use cases01:24
greenflyonly time I've run into it is when a call drops and both of us call each other at the same time01:24
greenflyI'll see an incoming call from the person I'm calling01:24
*** gunni has joined #maemo01:26
lcukjust buy multiple devices01:26
lcukyou were born with 2 ears, use them01:26
lcukor could you get stereo bt headsets01:26
* aSIMULAtor is thankfully not so important that she gets multiple calls at a time01:26
lcukactually, strike all that01:26
mavhcwell, can't you put one call on hold and answer another?01:27
*** gunni_ has quit IRC01:27
lcuki dunno01:27
lcukive never in my existence ever had more than one caller o nthe line at a time01:27
greenflyI suppose that's what is causing the hoopla in t.m.o01:27
*** rm_you has joined #maemo01:27
lcukthey usually get an engaged tone01:27
lcuktaking multiple calls is like toilet stall sharing01:27
mavhcI have two phones01:27
lcukfor men01:27
javispedroactually, his case is that google voice is replicating the _same_ call over the three services (gsm, sip, skype)01:27
*** wazd_ has quit IRC01:27
javispedrothus the service is choosen on a First Come First Served basis.01:28
greenflyjavispedro: ahh, I hadn't read the thread. that's just silly01:28
jaem_n810lcuk, lol01:28
Vink_just to confirm, N900 (maemo 5) uses full fledged X11 with clutter as the Windowing System and gtk (qt to come soon) apps01:29
Vink_am I right?01:29
greenflythat person should set up google voice to only send to his phone once01:29
Vink_lcuk, thanks01:29
woglindevink qt is already there01:29
lcukVink_, to be fully integrated into the system, gtk apps need "hildonizing"01:29
lcukwhich is the process of changing a couple of the UI widget classes and diddling with stuff01:30
woglindevink but not the main widgetset01:30
lcukbut raw gtk works01:30
*** florian has quit IRC01:30
kalikianaVink_, you can even see the code of HildonDesktop on gitorious if you're curious01:30
* javispedro can't believe he has to argue that the n900 doesn't has usb host out of the box _again_01:30
lcukthen dont01:30
Vink_and the memory footprint is ~62 M01:30
* SpeedEvil needs to test that. (usb-host)01:30
lcukis this for the wiki page you suggested01:30
lcukor secret spy mission?01:30
lardmananyone know if DBus callbacks consume the signals they are passed unless they return e.g. something other than OSSO_OK?01:31
javispedroVink_: you have been answered before01:31
*** johnsq has quit IRC01:31
lcuklardman, question doesnt quite parse01:31
SpeedEvilVink_: A freshly booted - and left for a couple of hours n900 has about 100M free. That is easily freeable RAM01:32
lardmanwhen you have a DBus signal/method callback, does any signal/message passed to the callback get destroyed if the callback returns e.g. OSSO_OK, rather than being passed onto the next handler01:32
*** edgar2 has left #maemo01:32
javispedrolardman: in raw dbus,  dbus_connection_add_filter's callbacks can choose to return DBUS_HANDLER_RESULT_HANDLED or DBUS_HANDLER_RESULT_NOT_YET_HANDLED01:32
javispedrowon't probably help you in glib dbus, but :)01:33
lardmanhmm, ok01:33
GeneralAntillesOh, ChristExaport.01:33
*** mece has left #maemo01:33
lardmanjust wondering if osso_rpc handles my callback before I get to it01:33
lardmanor something01:33
lardmanhandles my signal even01:33
derfYou can monitor the bus, to see if they're sent at all.01:34
lardmanI know they're sent, just wondering why my callback isn't being called since I added in a DBus callback01:34
*** pH5 has quit IRC01:34
derfDid you add a match rule for it?01:35
*** jaem_n810 has quit IRC01:35
fralsanyone heard anything bout "Forum Nokia and Maemo Marketing busy next week presenting developer opportunities next week in Paris, Mountain View, Stockholm and Barcelona"? only seen stuff about barcelona01:35
lardmanyeah, I have a match rule for the MCE orientation stuff, and a DBus dbus_connection_add_filter()01:35
lardmanthat used to work01:35
lardmanbefore I added in this:     result = osso_rpc_set_cb_f(appdata->osso,01:35
lardman                               "org.maemo.mbarcode",01:35
lardman                               "/org/maemo/mbarcode",01:35
lardman                               "org.maemo.mbarcode",01:35
lardman                               dbus_req_handler, NULL);01:35
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo01:37
*** BBNS has quit IRC01:37
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS01:37
lardmanit looks to me like the callback should ignore signals and only handle methods01:37
GeneralAntillesThe built-in File manager not having root permissions and not browsing / is a "roadblock" . . . right.01:38
GeneralAntillesThe anti-commandline mentality by supposed "hackers" is hilarious.01:38
*** netvandal has quit IRC01:39
*** mavhc has quit IRC01:41
*** LuciusMa1e has joined #maemo01:42
lcukGeneralAntilles, forget hackers01:42
*** fab has quit IRC01:42
aSIMULAtoranyone have the problem that when they try to update via application manager the update progress bar goes back to 0 and takes 15 mins01:42
lcukimagine your mum idly browsing /usr/bin and taking a fancy to something01:43
*** VDVsx has quit IRC01:43
*** Xisdibik has joined #maemo01:44
lcukooo aSIMULAtor no01:44
lcukbut that sounds special01:44
* lcuk must vanish anyway01:44
lcukim trying to get this working01:44
GeneralAntillesaSIMULAtor, what repos?01:44
aSIMULAtorextras testing01:45
GeneralAntillesHrm, I updated about 40 minutes ago without issue.01:45
*** mavhk has joined #maemo01:45
aSIMULAtorit's my friend who's having problems01:45
GeneralAntillesCould be a local network issue.01:45
GeneralAntillesapt-get update in console?01:45
aSIMULAtoryeah probably a local network issue01:46
*** mavhk is now known as mavhc01:47
GeneralAntillesAlternatively, I guess h-a-m does have logs.01:47
*** javispedro has quit IRC01:48
*** saLOUt has quit IRC01:49
*** zap has quit IRC01:51
*** Venomrush has left #maemo01:51
*** willer has quit IRC01:51
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo01:51
aSIMULAtorthen another friend is having problems with his wifi01:53
*** mikhas has quit IRC01:54
odin_needs better RSS/browser workflow, for example browsers knowing where they were launched from, so back button auto-closes it (and goes back to a previous brose window, or back to a different app)01:55
*** el_zilcho has joined #maemo01:55
odin_so if RSS launches browser, then you look at side, the you use back button, it should auto-close browser and re-select the RSS reader as the app in focus01:56
infobotodin_ meant: so if RSS launches browser, then you look at site, the you use back button, it should auto-close browser and re-select the RSS reader as the app in focus01:56
*** BBNS has quit IRC01:56
*** LuciusMa1e has quit IRC01:57
*** BBNS has joined #maemo01:57
el_zilchoIs there any tool that could help me troubleshoot wifi without root access? i'm pretty sure my wifi is non-functional as i haven't been able to even see any AP's two feet from a machine that can, let alone connect01:57
el_zilchoi can't get my root because i can't get wifi working01:57
kynkycopy deb via usb ?01:58
lardmanhmm, still not working with the DBus stuff gone01:58
el_zilchomaybe not a bad solution01:59
aSIMULAtori said that in the other chan :P01:59
el_zilcholet me find rootsh in that form01:59
aSIMULAtorbut a couple of hours ago01:59
lardmandoes anyone have a link to the wiki page about implementing orientation under Fremantle?01:59
kynkyother chan ?01:59
lardmanI can't seem to find it01:59
*** poster_ has joined #maemo01:59
aSIMULAtorwe're in another channel together01:59
el_zilchooh, ust have been when i had my head into things01:59
*** mmatth has quit IRC02:00
lcuklardman, the wiki is outdated!02:01
* el_zilcho sighs02:02
lcuk  is not what it seems02:02
*** chmac has quit IRC02:02
lcukel_zilcho, it has nothing at all showing02:02
lcukthats curious too02:02
*** brbrbr has quit IRC02:02
kynkythe chess ai on n900 is pretty good02:02
lcukwhy are people bringing odd things out now02:02
lardmanlcuk: yeah I was also having troubles sifting through02:02
lcukkynky, its running on faster hardware02:02
*** rm_you has quit IRC02:02
lcukit will kick ur ass02:02
*** brbrbr has joined #maemo02:02
el_zilchoit only shows at&t's conn02:02
el_zilchoone sec02:03
el_zilchoinstalling rootsh.deb02:03
kynkylcuk, been trying to beat it on easy =)02:03
lcukyeah i noticed that problem lol02:03
* aSIMULAtor hangs head in shame if her friends' n900s don't work02:03
lcukits a lot tougher than it was on n810.  evolved02:03
lcukaSIMULAtor, we do more than that02:04
lcukyou know oyur ninja training wasnt a waste02:04
Macer3 address not listed for hostname
Maceri hate asia02:04
kynkyasia is a big place02:04
Macerfilled with the same types of people02:04
aSIMULAtoru mean chinky chongs?02:05
lardmanI've found the problem, interesting.02:05
MaceraSIMULAtor: no. i mean people that just feel it is necessary to try to hack systems just for the sake of doing it02:05
Macerthere's no honor amongst hackers nowadays :)02:05
lardmanI was using this: appdata->con = dbus_g_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SYSTEM, &error); rather than this: appdata->con = osso_get_sys_dbus_connection(appdata->osso); on the recommendation of this:
lardmanthat was a mistake02:05
derfAre you trying to pretend there ever was?02:05
lcuklardman, mistake in docs on wiki?02:06
lcukor just from your head02:06
*** Venomrush has joined #maemo02:06
lardmandunno really, not even sure what the docs are trying to achieve ;)02:06
lcukbonus tho for gettin past that end of level nasty02:07
lardmanbut looks like if you want osso_rpc, then don't ask for the system bus pointer directly02:07
kynkyaSIMULAtor, worst case for fixing n900, do reflash ?02:07
lcukmaemo development really is an MMORPG02:07
aSIMULAtoreasy for me to reflash at work, not sure if that's a good suggestion to my friend02:08
*** Dantonic has quit IRC02:08
lcukaSIMULAtor, the system updater is available02:09
*** Archanamiya has joined #maemo02:09
lardmanis there a debian field called conflicts?02:10
xnt14guys, don't mind my bot usage, I just want to show Archanamiya infobot, (we're writing a bot)02:10
xnt14~seen Archanamiya02:10
infobotarchanamiya is currently on #maemo (46s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 7s, last said: 'ah'.02:10
xnt14~seen b-man1702:10
infobotb-man17 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 4h 50m 13s ago, saying: 'hello, javispedro'.02:10
xnt14~stab Archanamiya02:11
* infobot runs at Archanamiya with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.02:11
el_zilchoOk, so how am i supposed to install rootsh from a .deb when i don't have perms to run dpkg?02:11
xnt14what else02:11
el_zilchothat was a fun little endeavor02:11
xnt14~poke Archanamiya02:11
* infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Archanamiya, pokes Archanamiya repeatedly, hilarity ensues.02:11
*** JPohlmann has quit IRC02:11
* el_zilcho tracks down the log to see who suggested it02:12
xnt14~nuke Archanamiya02:12
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Archanamiya ... B☢☢M!02:12
xnt14el_zilcho, im showing Archanamiya infobot02:12
Archanamiyauh oh02:12
*** DantonicN800 has quit IRC02:12
xnt14were writing a bot02:12
Archanamiyaim screwed :P02:12
*** sjaensch has quit IRC02:12
xnt14I think that was the command02:12
ArchanamiyaxD ignored02:13
xnt14it pmed me02:13
xnt14~wtf test02:13
infobottest: test (1)             - check file types and compare values02:13
*** DantonicN800 has joined #maemo02:13
el_zilchoback to square one.... 1) can't connect via wifi, can't even see broadcastin, open ap 2) can't troubleshoot the issue because i don't have root 3) can't install rootsh from deb because of same permission issues02:14
xnt14im back02:14
el_zilchothat was fast02:14
xnt14ok how about some other cmds02:14
xnt14~burn something02:14
* infobot pours gasoline all over something, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze02:14
lcukxnt14, take it to pm for now hes seen lots of it02:15
xnt14lcuk, infobot doesn't work over pm02:15
*** setanta has quit IRC02:15
aSIMULAtorif you have access to your at&t connection can't you install rootsh via there and app manager?02:15
* xnt14 rereads the sentence02:15
xnt14oh xD02:15
lcukor find a chan with him in thats not busy02:15
xnt14~join #projectnini02:16
*** RXrenesis81 has joined #maemo02:16
xnt14I don't think it'll let me fo that02:16
xnt14ok lol02:16
ShadowJKnow how to render these .ass subs to a video and re-encode for n900..02:16
lcukel_zilcho, has it done this always02:16
el_zilchoi just got it today... screw it... i should probably just get on the line with customer support instead of trying to troubleshoot it myself...02:17 customer support?02:17
el_zilchoi probably could use att to download the appropriate apps but i haven't turned on my data plan02:17
el_zilchono, nokia02:17
aSIMULAtorno way, i doubt they can help you02:17
aSIMULAtorif anything i would think ppl in here would02:17
*** trofi has quit IRC02:18
lcukel_zilcho, on a hunch, take out the sim and see what happens02:18
*** BBNS has quit IRC02:18
el_zilchowill do02:18
*** BBNS has joined #maemo02:18
lardmanhas anyone found a low-bandwidth site which streams the twitter-like comments from the rugby?02:19
lardmansame goes for the cricket for that matter, thinking to the future02:20
lardmanlike the ones, if anyone has ever seen them02:20
lardmanis there a dedicated irc channel?02:21
lcukwhy cant you use the bbc02:21
lardmanthe page is heavy02:21
lcukthere should be live irc chans for all sorts of events :)02:21
lcukand a cleve irc client to pluck out the data02:21
lcukand give easy clickable links ;)02:21
lcukof everything, like isbn numbers and stuff02:21
SpeedEvillardman: transcript live of radio 5?02:21
aSIMULAtorhave infobot do that02:21
lardmanSpeedEvil: does that exist somewhere?02:21
SpeedEvillardman: dunno02:22
lardmannot sure I need that level of waffle though02:22
lardmanotherwise I'd just listen to it online02:22
lardmanwell try over a 3G connection anyway02:22
SpeedEvillardman: see
el_zilchoso far no good, but we'll see... soon as it came back up, i nudged to see the internet connection by the clock and it scanned and updated with nothing... settings, internet, connections, new, scan also shows nothing with or without sim card in... so i guess its fubar02:22
lcukand there are connections nearby02:23
*** Archanamiya has left #maemo02:23
*** lbt has quit IRC02:23
lcukthat are strong etc02:23
*** lbt has joined #maemo02:23
el_zilchois there any other functionality that would be expected to fail if the wifi failed? like bluetooth or anything? i'm 10 feet from my router which i switched to broadcast essid and no encryption02:23
*** aakashd has quit IRC02:23
lcukel_zilcho, i wouldnt know, wifi has been the most rock solid components in the entire time ive mucked with device02:24
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]02:24
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: ping02:24
lcukie, ive never had probs with it and never heard of others rly02:24
timeless_mbphave you tried using the clock?02:24
timeless_mbpBaltimore is amusing02:24
aSIMULAtortimeless: u know of any issues with wifi?02:25
timeless_mbpaSIMULAtor: um...02:25
el_zilcholol, ok... just thought if it was hardware related issue that maybe some other rf based stuff might not work02:25
aSIMULAtormy friend is having problems connecting his device02:25
*** |uben| has joined #maemo02:25
timeless_mbpdefine issues02:25
lcukfailure to see any APs02:25
timeless_mbpis the network WPS, WPA, WEP, Open, WPA2?02:25
aSIMULAtor[02:14am] <el_zilcho> back to square one.... 1) can't connect via wifi, can't even see broadcastin, open ap 2) can't troubleshoot the issue because i don't have root 3) can't install rootsh from deb because of same permission issues02:25
timeless_mbp3 is solvable02:26
el_zilchoopen and broadcasting... two locations it fails to see any APs whatsoever with another machine in the vicinity clearly reading its presence02:26
timeless_mbphe can enable red pill moe02:26
lcukits el_zilcho, i'm 10 feet from my router which i switched to broadcast essid and no encryption02:26
timeless_mbpand use install from file to install the deb02:26
timeless_mbpassuming he can download the .deb some other way02:26
timeless_mbp(please excuse gender on friend)02:26
aSIMULAtorit's a he02:26
* timeless_mbp presumes el = spanish male02:26
el_zilchoI can't install rootsh from deb because i don't have root access02:26
aSIMULAtorhe's a he02:26
el_zilchofunny, eh?02:26
timeless_mbpel_zilcho: see above02:26
aSIMULAtorhow do you enable red pill mode?02:26
lcukel_zilcho, WHAT TYPE OF ap IS IT02:27
timeless_mbp1. open app manager02:27
aSIMULAtori know you press some top corner in application manager02:27
timeless_mbp2. tap the title area02:27
timeless_mbp3. tap catalog(ue)s02:27
timeless_mbp4. tap new02:27
timeless_mbp5. change the url to 'matrix'02:27
timeless_mbp6. tap outside the dialog02:27
timeless_mbp7. select the red pill02:27
timeless_mbp8. tap the title again and use install from file02:28
* Xisdibik wishes there were more steps so he could read timeless_mbp's sentences more02:29
* aSIMULAtor should be going to sleep but wants to make sure zero's device works :P02:29
*** eton has joined #maemo02:29
timeless_mbpXisdibik: i have roughly 150 blog entries02:29
timeless_mbpgo read them02:29
kynkybig disclaimer follows for other ppl seeing how to enable red pill mode02:29
lcukbut its so good to get a live irc recital02:29
timeless_mbpyeah, "don't do it"02:29
*** eton has quit IRC02:29
timeless_mbpif you think you need red pill mode, you're *probably* doing something wrong02:30
timeless_mbpel_zilcho: once you've installed rootsh, repeat the process and select the blue pill02:30
timeless_mbpel_zilcho: technically you could have created a local repo and pointed to that :)02:30
lardmanah, the genius of it, and you can even use mbarcode to open your favourite rugby wap site :)02:30
kynkyor run the .install file ?02:31
lcuklardman +102:31
lcukfeature creep :D02:31
timeless_mbp.install files don't tend to work well w/o a working network :)02:31
Xisdibiktimeless_mbp: blogs just arnt the same ;)02:31
zerojayaSIMULAtor: You can go to bed then. ;)02:31
el_zilchowill do, ty02:31
aSIMULAtorzero :)02:31
aSIMULAtorno i'll irc from bed :P02:31
aSIMULAtornow chuang's having problem with his device02:32
zerojayel_zilcho: Turn down your power saving as well. Might make a difference.02:32
aSIMULAtorwtf is up02:32
lardmanlcuk: I've added the ability to encode install files in QR codes and therefore hopefully install them from a picture :)02:32
kynkyoh yeah, lol thought you could use .install over usb, but obviously that connects out to net, hence local rep quip :)02:32
lcuklardman, that would work really well combined with timelesses dynamic repo and a tiny web server on device02:32
aSIMULAtorzerojay: i guess we caught each other on irc :P02:33
lcuklike i said at the summit, installing files by word of mouth would be cool02:33
lcukbut it breaks all kinds of protocols for extras and stuff02:33
lardmanlcuk: well no need for a webserver on device, otherwise the camera can't see the barcode02:33
lcukit owuld be a wicked idea02:33
lcukwebserver has nothign to do with the camera02:33
lcukyour barcode shows02:34
zerojayaSIMULAtor: Hah.. yeah, sure did. I came home from work way late too.02:34
*** Andril has quit IRC02:34
lcukand it was dynamically generated based on the ip address now02:34
lcukthe install starts pointing at this new dynamic repository02:34
lcukdragging files from my tablet to yours02:34
*** Rhoruns has joined #maemo02:35
lcukand hey presto, new app02:35
*** aSIMULAter has joined #maemo02:35
lcuktl; dr02:35
lcuklardman did you ever transition over to reading direct from the viewfinder02:36
lcukor are you still taking the larger slower full resolution image and using gstreamer to scale02:36
*** BBNS has quit IRC02:36
lardmanwell even the viewfinder is scaled somewhere02:36
*** BBNS has joined #maemo02:36
*** smackpotat has joined #maemo02:36
lardmanbut no I don't use that, otherwise I'd have a redundant pipeline02:37
timeless_mbpsp3000: well02:37
lcukdidnt use the viewfinder?02:37
timeless_mbpthe baltimore in the device is near Washington, GA02:37
*** tonikitoo| has quit IRC02:37
*** smackpotat has left #maemo02:37
*** zs has quit IRC02:37
*** hellwolf-n810 has joined #maemo02:38
ShadowJKhm.. Xv performance seems kinda poor :/02:39
Flandry~seen pupnik02:39
lcuki find it astonishingly amazing02:39
infobotpupnik <n=pupnik@unaffiliated/pupnik> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 5m 43s ago, saying: 'sorry maemo'.02:39
ShadowJKmplayer performance seems to be about the same as on N810 at first look :)02:39
* ShadowJK gets no sound either :D02:39
lcukthats different then02:40
Flandrythe optimizations to ogg are incredible though02:40
*** Rhoruns has quit IRC02:40
*** guysoft42 has quit IRC02:40
zerojayaSIMULAter: wb02:40
ShadowJKyeah but video_out was consuming more CPU than video_decode :)02:40
*** uben has quit IRC02:40
Flandry>= mpeg now02:40
*** Rhoruns has joined #maemo02:41
Flandryoh well bandwidth is a big issue02:41
*** Rhoruns has quit IRC02:42
*** guysoft42 has joined #maemo02:44
*** brbrbr has quit IRC02:45
* Flandry kicks autobuilder02:45
*** RXrenesis8 has joined #maemo02:46
* Proteous pats autobuildeer and says that it will be alright02:46
*** RXrenesis8 has quit IRC02:46
*** BBNS has quit IRC02:47
Flandryyou have no idea how to maintain a server ;)02:47
*** BBNS has joined #maemo02:47
* timeless_mbp sighs02:48
*** RXrenesis81 has quit IRC02:48
timeless_mbpaSIMULAtor: hey02:48
timeless_mbpplease try the latest version :)02:48
lardmannight all02:49
timeless_mbpoh, and if you've reflashed recently, there's only one .install file these days02:49
*** lardman has quit IRC02:49
aSIMULAterok ill flash it at work?02:49
Flandrygoodnight lardman|gone02:49
timeless_mbpyou were @bcn, no?02:50
timeless_mbpwe're neighbors btw02:50
timeless_mbpwe dropped two floors and moved lunchward one wing02:51
aSIMULAteroh really? hehe02:51
aSIMULAterwhat wing?02:51
aSIMULAteri'm going ot barcelona on thurs02:51
aSIMULAterat nrc today adn wed02:51
*** hellwolf-n810 has quit IRC02:52
aSIMULAteroh yeah tha'ts right i think jaakko was telling me about u guys moving02:52
*** RXrenesis8 has joined #maemo02:52
*** ferdna has joined #maemo02:53
GeneralAntillesHow're we getting from the airport to the hotel, by the way?02:57
*** bolsh has quit IRC02:57
aSIMULAteri dunno how we are02:58
*** tonikitoo has joined #maemo02:58
*** DantonicN800 has quit IRC02:58
aSIMULAteri'm guessing we're all goign to hold hands and skip02:58
*** DantonicN800 has joined #maemo02:59
GeneralAntillesSounds fun02:59
*** GuySoft has quit IRC03:00
el_zilchohaha, oh jeez... libiw30 is installed... but i've got no iw* apps... specifically iwlist and such... my /etc/network/interfaces has lo, eth0 as dhcp, usb0 is being set statically.... then i ifconfig it and it looks like we've got lo, phonet0, wlan0, and wmaster0 links currently up...03:00
*** GuySoft has joined #maemo03:00
el_zilchowlan and wmaster have no transfer, with < 2kb on phonet003:00
el_zilchoguess i'll see if i can track down my wireless tools in a deb03:01
zerojayaSIMULAter: Any idea if there are more of these events coming in the future?03:02
crashanddieo/ zerojay03:03
aSIMULAterlet's hope there are!03:03
GeneralAntillesNope, zerojay, last one forever and always.03:04
*** BBNS has quit IRC03:06
*** SmilybOrg has joined #maemo03:07
*** BBNS has joined #maemo03:07
aSIMULAternite guys03:07
*** RXrenesis81 has joined #maemo03:08
zerojaybye bye03:08
*** Archanamiya has joined #maemo03:08
*** woglinde has quit IRC03:13
ShadowJKhm... still can't get any sound out of mplayer :/03:14
*** Analias has joined #maemo03:15
SpeedEvilSilly mistake #403:15
SpeedEvilWonder why it's not taking picture, keep holding down 'shutter' button. Wonder why device turns off.03:16
*** RXrenesis8 has quit IRC03:16
ShadowJKoh, if I set profile to general, I get sound03:19
*** akeripper_ has quit IRC03:19
ShadowJKbut not consistently...03:21
ShadowJKah nevermind03:22
*** SmilyOrg has quit IRC03:25
*** tonikitoo has quit IRC03:27
ShadowJKugh, compiling mplayer for arm is a minefield of compiler crashes :-)03:28
derf4.2.1 was a particularly bad version of gcc.03:28
Flandryisn't there already a source package?03:28
*** BBNS has quit IRC03:29
*** qole has joined #maemo03:29
Flandrywhich groups is the N900 user a member of?03:29
ShadowJKi want to compile a newer mplayer03:30
*** BBNS has joined #maemo03:30
ShadowJKwith a compiler that does neon03:30
qoleShadowJK, yes please!03:31
*** Ronaldo38741 has joined #maemo03:31
*** dmj7261 has joined #maemo03:32
* ShadowJK realizes he's using diablo4 sdk03:32
Ronaldo38741Will the main OS2008 apps ever be updated, or just wait for stable Mer?03:32
ShadowJKfaad seems to miscompile :/03:33
dmj7261zaheerm: thanks for porting zope and twisted.  They're exactly what I needed.03:33
qoleShadowJK, we really need a Fremantle version of mplayer that is optified and optimised03:33
dmj7261Dosage now works on the command line03:33
ShadowJKqole, the optimized part is going to be hard, I don't think the buildhosts's compiler is new enough?03:33
ShadowJKatleast someone on talk said something like that03:33
ShadowJKhave fun building gcc just for mplayer :-)03:33
qoleyes that's what the VLC maintainer said too03:34
qoleat least optified and set to fullscreen by default, then03:35
ShadowJKno way to push binaries to extras?03:36
qoleextras non-free03:36
ShadowJKwhat about sneaking gcc binaries in the source package03:37
qoleat least in Diablo you could do an end-run around the autobuilder by uploading to non-free03:37
qoleyes, you can upload "source" packages with pre-compiled binaries, too.03:38
ShadowJKOh, faad fixed-point is broken... floating point seems fine03:38
ShadowJKbut the floating point version is consuming 70% decoding time :-)03:38
qolemaybe pre-compile the minimum and let the autobuilder do the rest?03:39
qoleor is the core binary the problem here?03:39
ShadowJKWell 4.3Megs out of the 7-9 meg binary or whatever..03:40
derfgcc on ARM needs some serious work.03:41
*** BBNS has quit IRC03:41
crashanddiederf: just take the lead03:41
el_zilchoAnyone mind taking a look at a dmesg dump quick and seeing if anything near the end might explain why i'm not able to see an open, broadcasting access point?
derfGo get them to fix some of their bugs:
povbotBug 40893: was not found.03:41
povbotBug 40887: was not found.03:41
*** murrayc_ has joined #maemo03:42
*** BBNS has joined #maemo03:42
el_zilchoi got it earlier today, haven't really been able to do much with no network connectivity03:42
crashanddieel_zilcho: doesn't contain anything03:42
el_zilchoi see a lot of ubifs errors which i assume are entirely unrelated03:42
crashanddieel_zilcho: can you see other access points?03:43
el_zilchoyeah, at work earlier i could iwlist and see the ap there03:43
el_zilchobut nothing in the connections menu,03:43
el_zilchoi've looked a few places now and don't see anything meaningful to me03:43
*** Ronaldo38741 has quit IRC03:43
el_zilchoon the phone...03:44
*** lbt has quit IRC03:44
el_zilchoand i apparently don't have any wireless tools even those the only package i saw was installed03:44
crashanddieel_zilcho: possible scenarios: too much noise on the specific channel (other access points on the same channel, which are overpowering the access point you are trying to connect to), access point is broken (in the way that only a broken receiver could read it), etc03:44
crashanddietry rebooting AP, or changing settings/frequency03:44
*** DangerMaus has joined #maemo03:45
el_zilchoi'd say its more likely the handset's hardware is dead since i've tried both work and home routers03:45
el_zilchobut i'd expect to see some errors somewhere03:45
Flandryit's hard to test the package installation when scratchbox doesn't really have root access03:47
*** BBNS has quit IRC03:47
*** BBNS has joined #maemo03:47
*** VDVsx has quit IRC03:47
Flandryi guess it's just my user03:48
el_zilchoi'll try changing the channel though, i guess everything is worth trying at this point03:48
crashanddieFlandry: fakeroot?03:48
crashanddieel_zilcho: i've never seen a device where only wifi would break03:48
el_zilchoif wifi didn't work, what else would you expect to see nonfunctioning?03:49
*** ezadkiel_mB has joined #maemo03:49
Flandryfakeroot doesn't actually let you change some things, but it looks like dpkg runs with root anyway03:49
el_zilchomy understanding is my buddy took his out of the box, turned it on, and the menu by the clock that allows you to get into connections came up, showed essids, he chose and away he flew... i don't seem to be able to even make it see a single router... i don't know how else to explain the issue without presumind possible hardware defect03:51
crashanddieel_zilcho: interesting, I suppose you've tried rebooting it and all?03:52
crashanddieel_zilcho: do you and your buddy have the same software version on the phones?03:52
el_zilchomultiple locations, multiple routers, multiple reboots of all involved electronics03:52
GeneralAntillesel_zilcho, have you reflashed?03:53
*** DrNoboto has joined #maemo03:53
el_zilchoi'm running umm... 24.11 or the dyslexic version of that03:53
el_zilchowhichever is proper03:53
el_zilchoi guess i will if you think that's my last chance03:53
DrNobotosup el_zilcho03:53
crashanddieel_zilcho: I'm guessing that with the whole no-wifi thing, you didn't really do a lot with the device03:53
crashanddieel_zilcho: so flashing it won't hurt your data at all03:54
crashanddieel_zilcho: it's a long shot, but worth the try, as you said03:54
el_zilchonot worried about data, but if its a last ditch effort... has those images?03:54
DrNobotocan someone just tell me how to install nano or pico?03:54
DrNobotonothing is in these repositories03:55
DrNobotonot even irssi03:55
qoleel_zilcho, I agree with crashanddie, a good reflash couldn't hurt03:55
crashanddieDrNoboto: which repositories?03:55
crashanddieqole: we're in the same timezone!03:55
DrNobotonokia applications, nokia system software updates, maemo extras, extras testing03:56
qoleReally! Cool! Almost 6pm.03:56
DrNobotocool, i'm in that timezone too03:56
crashanddieqole: I'm in California for a few weeks :)03:56
crashanddieqole: walk down and have a beer!03:56
qoleAlmost home too, the next bus stop.03:56
crashanddieDrNoboto: where abouts?03:57
*** murrayc has quit IRC03:57
qolecrashanddie, too far to walk, but definitely somewhere I'm thinking about vacationing next spring.03:57
crashanddieI'll probably go down to LA for the weekend03:57
ShadowJKhm.. and qemu seems to segfault on binaries that have neon..03:57
crashanddieqole: but I won't be here next spring! I'm here now!03:57
* ShadowJK gives up :-)03:58
qolecrashanddie, if I were a developer, I could go to that Nokia dev thing03:58
crashanddieqole: if I'm all setup and have enough room, I'm offering you a week at my place next spring!03:58
DrNobotoso is anyone here using irssi?03:59
crashanddieDrNoboto: ncurses is evil03:59
DrNobotoif i apt-get it, it's not found03:59
DrNobotoi'm evil03:59
*** Mousey has quit IRC03:59
qolecrashanddie, you moving there?03:59
greenflyDrNoboto: I'm using it, but not on the n90004:00
greenflyDrNoboto: sshing into a server that's running it in a screen session04:00
DrNobotoi'm using it too but not on my n90004:00
crashanddieqole: yup04:00
DrNobotothat's the problem : /04:00
qolexchat ftw04:00
crashanddieqole: if "there" is Re: the PM I sent04:00
DrNobotoyeah, i might do that at some point04:00
greenflyDrNoboto: you should, it's way better to just connect to a persistent screen session04:00
el_zilchoreading the EUSA on the flasher... isn't that basically going to put me in a position of not being able to return this phone for a replacement?04:00
DrNobotogreenfly: i know04:00
*** Vink_ has quit IRC04:00
DrNobotoi'm well aware of the virtues of that system04:00
DrNoboto: )04:00
el_zilcho"By accepting04:01
el_zilchothe following License Agreement you also agree to use this software at04:01
el_zilchoyour own risk and accept that Nokia assumes no liability and does not04:01
el_zilchoprovide any warranties, support or services related to the software.04:01
DrNobotobut the firewall that my shell is behind is acting weird04:01
DrNobotoi'm actually sshed into it right now04:01
*** Xisdibik has quit IRC04:01
DrNobotobut i'm behind that firewall04:01
*** tarelerulz has joined #maemo04:01
el_zilchoso basically, i flash it, i probably can't send it back, which would be completely bunk04:01
qolecrashanddie, definitely NOT my time zone!04:01
GeneralAntillesel_zilcho, no.04:03
GeneralAntillesel_zilcho, the flasher does not void the warranty.04:03
DrNobotowell i guess i should just fix that firewall issue then shouldn't i04:03
el_zilchook, i'll take your word for it04:04
GeneralAntillesel_zilcho, what that sentence is telling you is that they do not warranty the flasher.04:04
DrNobotoif you brick it, you can just send it to me04:04
GeneralAntillesRead it again more carefully.04:04
*** qole has quit IRC04:05
el_zilchowell, its the Nokia assumes no liability thing that gets me04:05
*** hardaker has quit IRC04:05
el_zilchonot necessarily the warranty part04:05
GeneralAntillesIf the flasher blows up your computer, they're not going to pay to fix it.04:06
*** crashanddie has quit IRC04:06
GeneralAntillesTrust me, the flasher isn't going to void your N900's warranty.04:06
GeneralAntillesBesides, I've never once seen it fail.04:06
*** hellwolf-n810 has joined #maemo04:06
* ShadowJK wonders what else supports advanced substation alpha subtitles in mkv files04:11
pwnguinwhen did get a beta tag?04:12
paroneayeahello all04:14
*** BBNS has quit IRC04:15
paroneayeaanyone have any links to what "SSO" refers to in that diagram?04:15
*** BBNS has joined #maemo04:15
pwnguinsingle sign on?04:15
paroneayeawell so I assumed :)04:16
paroneayeatrying to find details on that package04:16
pwnguinlemme look at the picture04:16
Flandryis plugdev one of the groups that N900 user is in by default?04:16
*** Londi is now known as Londo04:16
pwnguinparoneayea: "the components in red are proprietary components"04:17
paroneayeapwnguin: right04:17
*** arachnist has quit IRC04:17
*** robink has quit IRC04:17
paroneayeaI'm compiling a list of nonfree components and what's necessary to replace them04:17
*** jayne has quit IRC04:17
*** Archanamiya has left #maemo04:18
pwnguinisnt there already a list of nonfree on te wiki?04:18
paroneayeaso I'm trying to gather info on that, but it's the one piece I can't find any data on04:18
paroneayeayeah but it's a bit outdated it seems.  I'm also looking to update that list04:18
*** jayne has joined #maemo04:18
Flandryjust need to know the groups a user is in on N900. 10 seconds of someone's time, please.04:18
pwnguinFlandry: if i had one, i'd tell you04:19
*** DrNoboto has quit IRC04:19
greenflyFlandry: as the user type "groups"04:19
*** arachnist has joined #maemo04:19
Flandryi don't have an n90004:19
Flandryor i would :)04:19
asidjazzwho here has n900 with tmo 3g i cant get it to work04:19
lcuk-shL groups not found04:20
paroneayeaFlandry: dialout, audio, video, pulse-access04:20
greenflybah, will have to check /etc/group04:20
asidjazzim at a tmo store is there special instructiins after putting the sim in04:20
lcuki have 3g, and works04:20
*** fnordianslip has quit IRC04:20
paroneayeaand users04:20
asidjazzlcuk tmo?04:20
asidjazzhowd u get it to work04:20
lcukthats what you asked04:20
paroneayeaFlandry: ^^^04:20
*** robink has joined #maemo04:20
el_zilchoso this flasher...  there's i386 .deb version that won't cooperate with me, an exe that doesn't work under wine, and i'm starting to feel like i should just initiate my RMA04:21
lcukFlandry, if theres another route ask quickly im beddin in 504:21
*** BBNS has quit IRC04:21
asidjazzlcuk im bootin it with tmo sim cards its not workin04:21
asidjazzlcuk wait :)04:21
*** BBNS has joined #maemo04:21
Flandryi have no idea if groups doesn't work04:21
lcukyou need cards to use
asidjazzlcuk is there special settings i habe to do04:22
asidjazzlcuk i searched couldnt find instructions04:22
Flandrythere's a group called users though paroneayea?04:22
paroneayeaFlandry: yes, and a user is in it by default04:22
*** kalikiana has quit IRC04:22
Flandryok, that one will do04:23
Flandrythanks so much04:23
el_zilchoasidjazz: is the implication of your statement that it has worked with other sim cards? or did i read into it?04:23
asidjazzit works with at&t sim as edge04:24
asidjazztmo sims theres no internet04:24
asidjazzedge or 3g04:24
GeneralAntillesasidjazz, did you change the operator?04:24
lcukgo lookup tmobiles website settings04:24
GeneralAntillesIt's probably still got AT&T settings04:24
GeneralAntilleslcuk, no, rerun the operator setup wizard04:25
lcuki had to manually enter settings for my o2 sim earlier04:25
lcukahh cool04:25
lcukso thats feasible now04:25
*** myosound has joined #maemo04:25
asidjazzim with tmo reps there no settings or docs for n90004:26
asidjazzgeneral where is that found04:26
asidjazzwell k go to conn settings and it says internet2.voicestream.com04:27
GeneralAntillesControl panel04:27
GeneralAntillesFind the internet connections control panel04:27
GeneralAntillesSettings, yeah.04:27
asidjazzk then what04:28
GeneralAntillesDelete the AT&T one and create a new one04:28
asidjazzcant delte it04:28
paroneayeahow's it goin GeneralAntilles04:29
asidjazztrying again brb04:29
pwnguinparoneayea: if you publish or finish the list, do give me a /msg04:29
paroneayeapwnguin: ok, will do04:30
*** BBNS has quit IRC04:31
*** BBNS has joined #maemo04:31
pwnguinparoneayea: maybe it's actually OSSO?04:31
paroneayeaosso seems to be a pretty generic name in here, stands for "Open Source Software Operations" afaict04:32
paroneayeaso I think osso is a department inside of nokia04:32
paroneayeabut the osso- package is on some proprietary packages so the term "open source" on there is kind of weird04:33
GeneralAntillesA long time ago04:33
paroneayeaGeneralAntilles: oh?04:33
GeneralAntillesNow it's Maemo Devices04:33
paroneayeaso the packaging name of osso- is legacy?04:33
paroneayealegacy naming convention :)04:33
paroneayeaGeneralAntilles: noted, thanks04:34
GeneralAntillesSadly we sometimes still get new packages with it, however. <_<04:34
paroneayeaGeneralAntilles: do you work for nokia or are you an enthusiast only?04:34
paroneayeaI see you answering a lot of questions on here04:34
GeneralAntillesparoneayea, enthusiast04:34
GeneralAntillesparoneayea, served on the council for two terms.04:34
zerojayGeneralAntilles is zerojay-certified.04:35
paroneayeaGeneralAntilles: cool04:35
*** hellwolf-n810 has quit IRC04:35
pwnguindoes fennec support addons?04:36
*** hellwolf-n810 has joined #maemo04:36
*** Ford_Prefect has quit IRC04:37
Flandryit should, it has xulrunner04:37
pwnguinarg. once again, mozilla's wiki contains conflicting information on the subject04:37
pwnguinone page says addons are disabled04:37
pwnguinanother has clear "install weave on n810" instructions04:38
GeneralAntillespwnguin, older versions had addons disabled04:38
GeneralAntillesI think it was recently enabled.04:39
pwnguini swear, someone needs to chat with mozilla about how wikis have revision history04:39
pwnguinmaybe they could fund some wiki development to support tagged revisions; "this set of pages are related to version 1.0"04:40
*** DantonicN800 has quit IRC04:41
*** tonikitoo has joined #maemo04:42
*** DantonicN800 has joined #maemo04:48
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo04:49
*** BBNS has quit IRC04:49
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS04:49
*** Ford_Prefect has joined #maemo04:52
*** BBNS has quit IRC04:53
*** BBNS has joined #maemo04:53
Sargun_Screenim talking to you from my n90004:55
derfSo why does gcc.specs include -fno-optimize-sibling-calls?04:58
*** BBNS has quit IRC05:04
*** chmac has joined #maemo05:04
*** BBNS has joined #maemo05:04
Sargun_Screenhm, my tmobile sim doesn't work for data.05:08
Sargun_Screenit's a prepaid sim05:08
simula_do they make prepaid data sims?05:09
Sargun_Screenit worked in my other phone(s)05:10
*** BBNS has quit IRC05:10
*** BBNS has joined #maemo05:10
*** hellwolf-n810 has quit IRC05:12
*** hellwolf-n810 has joined #maemo05:13
pwnguinSargun_Screen: what were the other phones?05:13
Sargun_Screenopenmoko neo05:13
pwnguinthe prepaid data plan is fairly cheap from what i hear, and restricted to dumbphones/05:13
Sargun_Screeni had to manually set the p05:13
pwnguinso it works?05:14
Sargun_Screenhm, how do i set the apn on here?05:14
*** Xisdibik has joined #maemo05:15
ShadowJKthat's a goof questoon05:15
Sargun_Screenalright, class now, buysy05:16
*** chmac has quit IRC05:19
*** ajaxous has left #maemo05:21
*** myosound has quit IRC05:22
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo05:29
*** BBNS has quit IRC05:29
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS05:29
*** hardaker has joined #maemo05:29
*** Openfree has quit IRC05:31
*** SpeedEvil has quit IRC05:31
FlandryIs there some direct connection between changelogs and bugtracker yet, as in Fixes: MB#NNNN?05:31
*** BBNS has quit IRC05:33
*** BBNS has joined #maemo05:34
*** Openfree has joined #maemo05:34
*** qwerty12_N900 has quit IRC05:35
*** JoeBrain_ has quit IRC05:38
*** Ford_Prefect has quit IRC05:49
*** hellwolf-n810 has quit IRC05:53
*** Firebird has quit IRC05:54
*** BBNS has quit IRC05:55
*** BBNS has joined #maemo05:55
*** Ford_Prefect has joined #maemo05:57
*** pcfe has quit IRC05:57
*** pcfe has joined #maemo05:58
*** v2px has joined #maemo06:05
DangerMausGood news! Your order xxxxxx  was sent on 30.11.200906:06
*** penguinbait has quit IRC06:07
DangerMausOMG if all goes well i'll have it tomarrow!06:08
XisdibikDangerMaus: nice! i got mine today :D06:12
DangerMausordered outta  (usa)  bout midnight06:13
*** bigbrovar has quit IRC06:13
*** jeremiah has quit IRC06:13
*** jeremiah has joined #maemo06:14
DangerMausXisdibik, i should get it tomarrow06:14
Xisdibiknice :D06:14
DangerMausman dont update there system till like 22:30EST06:15
*** trbs_ has quit IRC06:19
*** v2px_ has quit IRC06:21
*** hardaker2 has joined #maemo06:23
*** Sho_ has quit IRC06:24
hardaker2Well, do *not* let your n900 time out security wise while it's mounted.  crashed my main linux machine.06:24
*** BBNS has quit IRC06:24
*** BBNS has joined #maemo06:24
microlithman, nokia usa makes me rage06:25
*** rm_you has joined #maemo06:26
*** doos has quit IRC06:26
microlithDangerMaus: when did you place your order?06:27
hardaker2microlith: their support absolutely sucked.06:27
microlithhardaker2: I know this06:27
hardaker2my favorite line was when they told me "oh yeah...  your phone is ready to go.  we're just waiting for fedex to pick it up"06:28
hardaker2then two days later got the *same* response.06:28
microlithoh you got that far at least06:28
hardaker2I told them "um, I know fedex pretty well and if it was ready 2 days ago they would have picked it up 2 days ago!"06:28
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC06:28
microliththey hit a fraud denial with my CC, and every attempt to re-order was rejected06:28
hardaker2yep.  they got that with me too.06:29
hardaker2eventually it stopped though.06:29
hardaker2very annoying.06:29
*** Unmensch has joined #maemo06:29
microlithI'm debating cancelling my newegg order and trying nokia one more time06:29
microlithin the hopes it works06:29
paroneayeapwnguin: ^^06:30
*** BBNS has quit IRC06:30
*** BBNS has joined #maemo06:31
DangerMausmicrolith, i placed the order today bout 10m after midnight when my direct deposit finnaly went it06:34
*** BBNS has quit IRC06:34
*** Londi has joined #maemo06:34
*** Londo has quit IRC06:35
*** Londi is now known as Londo06:35
*** BBNS has joined #maemo06:35
DangerMausmicrolith, i did also take the 1-3days shipping06:36
*** brbrbr has joined #maemo06:36
*** BBNS has quit IRC06:36
*** BBNS has joined #maemo06:36
DangerMausgotta love the winders clippboard06:37
*** easydebian has joined #maemo06:37
easydebiananyone know why i can't install dmsetup?06:38
easydebiani get the error rm: cannot remove '/etc/udev/rules.d/65_dmsetup.rules': No such file or directory06:38
microlithDangerMaus: huh06:39
microliththeir system is so screwed06:39
*** hardaker has quit IRC06:40
DangerMauswhat they cancell you?06:40
microliththey got caught by my CC's anti-fraud stuff06:40
microlithand apparently even that will lock you out of their system for an undefined amount of time06:41
microlith(whereas newegg allowed me to instantly re-order)06:41
DangerMausit took me 3 tres to get my cc info correst06:41
easydebiani need to update easy-chroot, but this error has blocked the upgrade06:41
DangerMausand i thought newegg was tough06:41
easydebiananyone have any ideas?06:41
*** rm_you has quit IRC06:42
*** rm_you has joined #maemo06:42
*** BBNS has quit IRC06:42
*** doos has joined #maemo06:42
*** BBNS has joined #maemo06:43
*** Unmenschlich has quit IRC06:44
DangerMausmicrolith,  like my card has a few addys attached to it ands usualy i can leave either as the billing addy  but not at nokia had to use my home addy for billing even though the addy im at atm is the true addy06:44
*** JoeBrain has joined #maemo06:44
DangerMausfor billing06:45
RXrenesis81we got hachi and hydrox06:45
RXrenesis81code names!06:45
RXrenesis81for code people...06:45
easydebiananyone have any ideas?06:45
easydebianthis is the right channel to ask, right?06:46
*** BBNS has quit IRC06:46
*** BBNS has joined #maemo06:47
easydebianawesome; now i wonder if anyone is awake :)06:48
*** DantonicN800 has quit IRC06:48
cehtehi seen a package for dmsetup do you use that?06:48
cehtehand real hardware of course, not SDK06:49
easydebiani need to update easy-chroot, but this error has blocked the upgrade06:49
cehteh.o(and no, i dont have a n900)06:49
easydebianeasy-chroot now depends on dmsetup (didn't in the past)06:49
cehtehdmsetup needs hardware/kernel access, so wont work on the sdk06:49
easydebiani am using thne n81006:49
cehtehah ok06:50
cehtehwell dunno then, maybe packaging bug?06:50
cehtehtry to workaround that bug06:50
easydebiani bet it is; no one else has reported it06:50
easydebiani tried several work arounds06:50
easydebianbut couldn't find the *.deb for it06:50
cehtehtouch /etc/udev/rules.d/65_dmsetup.rules06:50
cehtehwell i dunno what exactly happens there06:51
easydebiantrying that cmd06:51
cehtehthat would just satisfy the rm command not to fail06:51
easydebianthanks, that fixed it06:52
easydebianis that the same as sudo nano that file?06:52
easydebian(to create it)06:53
cehtehor echo >filename06:53
cehtehwhatever :)06:53
easydebiani only know the nano, but the touch worked grat06:53
easydebian*great (the n810 keyboard)06:53
easydebianthznks again cehteh06:54
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo06:55
*** BBNS has quit IRC06:55
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS06:55
*** bigbrovar has joined #maemo06:58
*** BBNS has quit IRC06:58
*** BBNS has joined #maemo06:59
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo07:09
*** BBNS has quit IRC07:09
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS07:09
*** xnt14 has quit IRC07:10
easydebiancehteh: i posted the workaround here:
*** easydebian has quit IRC07:14
*** brbrbr has quit IRC07:17
*** djcb has quit IRC07:17
*** JoeBrain has quit IRC07:17
DangerMausyay fixed07:21
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo07:21
*** BBNS has quit IRC07:21
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS07:21
cehtehhas the n900 a tmpfs mounted somewhere?07:24
*** L0cutus has joined #maemo07:24
ShadowJK/tmp /var/run07:27
*** BBNS has quit IRC07:29
*** BBNS has joined #maemo07:29
*** Shinto has joined #maemo07:31
*** DantonicN800 has joined #maemo07:31
*** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC07:32
*** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo07:32
dmj7261hi cehteh07:34
*** BBNS has quit IRC07:35
cehtehhi dmj726107:35
*** droid0011 has joined #maemo07:35
*** BBNS has joined #maemo07:35
dmj7261I've been writing a webcomic app to familiarize myself with maemo07:35
dmj7261been doing horrible things to Randall Munroe's servers. :P07:36
*** tarelerulz has quit IRC07:37
cehtehi bet he needs soem fat loadbalancers and a server farm just because many people try so :P07:37
cehtehwhat language/libs do you use?07:38
dmj7261I've probably scraped his archive about three times so far07:38
dmj7261mostly python07:38
cehtehmakes sense for such a thing07:39
cehtehand i guess there is no 'xsetroot' on maemo07:39
dmj7261I glued my python gui to the python cli app with this kludge: os.system('python2.5 mainline xkcd -c &')07:39
arachnistxkcd ++07:39
arachnistdmj7261: that lookes ugly07:40
DangerMausmainlining xkcd :)07:40
cehtehi am going over my C/C++ debuggin lib sometime next, i give it a try to port it to maemo too07:40
arachnistalmoast as bad as perl scripts launching sed and grep in system()07:41
dmj7261yeah...I just took a GPLed command line webcomic scraper written in python and use it as my backend07:41
arachnist(as i've seen some leftovers after one of the old admins)07:41
cehtehwget :P07:41
dmj7261the one nice thing about that ugly line of code is that it decouples the downloading process from the gui07:42
*** Moku has quit IRC07:43
cehtehin some extra ugly way :P07:43
dmj7261I'll fix it better later07:44
dmj7261You don't want to picture what it does without the &07:44
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo07:45
*** BBNS has quit IRC07:45
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS07:45
*** Sargun has joined #maemo07:46
cehtehsystem() always calls a intermediate shell .. so be careful about its security implications07:46
dmj7261I think I've found why people are complaining about the kinetic scrolling07:46
dmj7261security implications?07:46
SargunIt requires that I changed it to a side kick plan07:47
*** lcuktest has joined #maemo07:47
cehtehyeah using the accelerometer for scrolling would be fun07:48
dmj7261I'm attempting to scroll through the xkcd archive07:48
dmj7261It's taken at least ten minutes so far07:50
*** droid001 has quit IRC07:51
*** rm_you has quit IRC07:51
Klownermy N900 should arrive tomorrowwww! =07:52
* Klowner spins in circles while screaming07:52
DangerMausjoin me Klowner mini too tomarrow07:53
*** Rhoruns has joined #maemo07:53
cehtehwell.. you are the test bunnies, do well weeding out all bugs until mine arrives :P07:53
KlownerDangerMaus: I ordered from NokiaUSA this morning, shipped tonight07:54
cehtehpaying premium for being alpha tester ... G07:54
DangerMausaslong as its not the reboot one07:54
DangerMausKlowner, me207:54
PolarFoxI don't know when my N900 will arrive.. :( It's a race with N900 on the other side and the Maemo-SDK with ESBox on the other side.. :) I think N900 will win :)07:54
*** philipl has quit IRC07:54
*** philipl has joined #maemo07:55
DangerMauscrap i dont even have a linux box with me07:56
*** Hbp has joined #maemo07:57
*** rrr__ has joined #maemo07:57
*** BBNS has quit IRC07:59
*** BBNS has joined #maemo07:59
*** BBNS has quit IRC08:04
*** BBNS has joined #maemo08:04
*** wazd has joined #maemo08:06
dmj7261that's 255 by the way08:06
*** tekojo has joined #maemo08:07
Sargunecho 10 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness08:07
cehtehglowing vibrator? :)08:08
Sargunit works08:08
sulxdont you have one?08:08
*** BBNS has quit IRC08:08
Xisdibikis timeless sleeping like he should be?08:08
Sargunsulx, have one what?08:08
sulxglowing vibrator08:08
*** BBNS has joined #maemo08:08
t_s_omind > gutter08:09
RST38ha killer feature08:09
Klownerglowing vibrator? is that like the sparkly Twilight vibrators?08:09
*** hellwolf-n810 has joined #maemo08:09
XisdibikNew Moon vibrator sounds like08:10
*** hardaker2 has quit IRC08:10
SargunRST38h, a vibrator08:10
KlownerXisdibik: they make those, I saw it on youtube08:12
*** lcuktest has quit IRC08:12
XisdibikKlowner: please no links, the thought alone gives me nightmares08:13
SargunGod, Tmobile sucks08:14
* Klowner stops looking through his browser history08:14
Xisdibikwhats wrong Sargun08:14
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: IIRC, you were anti-MIPS to some degree... what makes ARM better than MIPS? from what I've seen, ARM uses 4x the power than MIPS does in practice08:14
SargunXisdibik, can't get roaming data08:15
infobotSargun meant: Xisdibik, can't get prepaid data08:15
*** BBNS has quit IRC08:15
*** BBNS has joined #maemo08:15
*** Hbp has left #maemo08:15
* Klowner stares in awe at infobot 08:15
* Xisdibik stares in awe at Klowner 08:16
* DangerMaus finds his giant cartoon mallet08:18
Klownerthe combination of having 3 pints at the local tweetup and my N900's shipping status has made me giddy08:18
*** DarwinSurvivor has quit IRC08:19
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo08:19
DangerMausbeen there since 9:30 CST Klowner08:19
*** BBNS has quit IRC08:20
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS08:20
DangerMauswithout the tweetup08:20
* DangerMaus feels sorry for the peeps with 900's stuck in newegg/amazon limbo08:20
KlownerI had an amazon pre-order since Nov 6th08:23
Klownerpre-orders seem to be mid-October, so I figured I'd risk it and order a second through NokiaUSA08:23
DangerMausyours ship outta indy?08:23
Klownershipped tonight, so I quick canceled my amazon08:23
*** t_s_o has quit IRC08:24
Klownermmmm yep08:24
Klowner10:06pm arrived at fedex location in Indianapolis08:24
DangerMausim in chicago for a few days  it'll get here b4 i leave08:25
*** philipl has quit IRC08:25
*** hellwolf-n810 has quit IRC08:25
Klownerdandy, I'm in the Quad Cities08:25
DangerMaustoo bad bout the tax but who cares 'll have it08:26
*** ssvb has quit IRC08:26
DangerMausi thought about going down to the flagship yesterday08:26
DangerMausin chicago08:26
DangerMausbut figged they would be out by then08:27
XisdibikKlowner you ordered in oct and didnt get yours yet from Amazon?08:27
Xisdibikoh since nov 608:27
Xisdibikno wonder08:27
Xisdibiki got mine today from amazon and ordered Sept 19th08:27
KlownerXisdibik: yaa08:27
KlownerI ended up paying like $60 more, but I'll get it before.. frickin February08:28
DangerMausyepyep exectly08:28
DangerMausif i didnt see it moving within 3 days i would of just prob canceled and waited  or tried it from buy.com08:29
*** brbrbr has joined #maemo08:29
Xisdibikso to get MSN and AIM and Yahoo etc on my n900, i have to install pidgin, or can i install certain protocols to just link in with conversations app?08:30
Xisdibik(i actualy got MSN with the accounts-telepathy-haze or w/e thingy08:30
Xisdibikbut not AIM / yahoo08:30
greenflyXisdibik: there's telepathy packages that add extra protocols08:30
greenflyshould even be a metapackage that pulls all of 'em08:31
Xisdibikgreenfly: i couldnt find anything unless its (*checks*)08:32
Xisdibiki didnt see telepathy on the loist08:33
*** philipl has joined #maemo08:33
Xisdibikexcept the haze thing for MSN08:33
* DangerMaus passes Klowner a glass of champange08:33
greenflyXisdibik: search for different account-plugin packages08:36
Xisdibikjust idle, and salut08:36
Xisdibikis it in devel or something?08:37
*** Rhoruns has quit IRC08:37
greenflyhaze should add pidgin support08:37
greenflyXisdibik: it could be but I didn't think it was08:37
*** tKMFDM has joined #maemo08:37
Xisdibikany way i can check without adding -devel?08:38
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo08:40
*** BBNS has quit IRC08:40
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS08:40
greenflyXisdibik: go to your settings and try to add a new account and see if AIM is available now08:40
XisdibikOvi, skype, Gtalk, Jabber, MSN and SIP08:41
* Klowner downs it in one gulp08:41
luke-jrdid Nokia seriously just invent a new proprietary IM protocol??08:42
Xisdibikluke-jr: dunno, did they? ;)08:42
timeless_mbpXisdibik: i do sleep for a bit..08:42
Xisdibiktimeless_mbp: ^^ good morning?   or are you going to sleep more?08:43
luke-jrXisdibik: you just listed "Ovi" as one..?08:43
Xisdibikluke-jr: it shows up in the accounts page for conversations08:43
Xisdibikluke-jr: i figured it was older than maemo 5?08:43
luke-jrXisdibik: that's ... slightly disturbing08:43
luke-jrno, never seen it on my N81008:44
kirmaI've got the impression Gtalk is XMPP/Jabber, and it's listed separately on the device, obviously for users' delight08:44
Xisdibiktimeless_mbp: maybe you can help me with my question? ;)08:44
luke-jrkirma: true08:44
Xisdibikkirma: ype08:44
tekojoluke-jr it's just xmpp, but if you want an Ovi account it's easy to create there08:44
Xisdibiktekojo: so same deal as gtalk then?08:44
tekojoXisdibik yep, people talk of Gtalk, so less hassles08:45
*** hellwolf-n810 has joined #maemo08:45
timeless_mbpXisdibik: thanks, dunno08:46
Xisdibiktekojo: do you know if the protocols for AIM/Yahoo are in extras-devel, since i cant seem to get them with extras/extras-testing08:46
Xisdibikor do i have to install pidgin to get them?08:46
timeless_mbpso um.. which of you guys are in .us?08:46
timeless_mbpi need someone w/ an n900 to heavily and meticulously test something for me08:47
Xisdibiki am timeless_mbp08:47
Xisdibikand i have an n90008:47
luke-jrXisdibik: you are timeless_mbp?08:49
*** bergie has joined #maemo08:49
*** eton has joined #maemo08:50
timeless_mbpluke-jr: have you upgraded engb1?08:51
*** BBNS has quit IRC08:51
luke-jrtimeless_mbp: engb1?08:52
*** BBNS has joined #maemo08:52
*** alexj has joined #maemo08:53
*** zs has joined #maemo08:53
Xisdibikluke-jr: im not timeless_mbp08:53
tekojoXisdibik yes, seem to be in devel08:53
LynoureYesterday I was inquiring after ESbox not finding hildonmm.h and gtkmm.h, I now think I should have everything needed installed in the scratchbox... is it possible ESbox is looking somewhere else?08:53
LynoureOr what should I try?08:54
tekojoeverything else in testing, no idea why08:54
Xisdibikhaha, maybe the rest should be moved! ;)08:54
Xisdibikor rather the ones in devel should be moved08:54
timeless_mbptekojo: the clock app is depressing08:56
Xisdibiktimeless_mbp: just the map portion apparently08:57
tekojotimeless_mbp no the weather is depressing, the clock just presents us the fact that this time of the year is depressing08:58
RST38hDoes Maemo SDL support SDL_ttf at all???08:59
LynoureDo I need to install some of the -dev packages to the host machine itself for esbox to find them?08:59
*** BBNS has quit IRC08:59
*** BBNS has joined #maemo08:59
*** Flyser has joined #maemo09:00
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo09:01
timeless_mbptekojo: open clock09:03
timeless_mbpfind baltimore09:03
*** zs has quit IRC09:05
luke-jrtimeless_mbp: I hereby declare you a pizza.09:05
*** alexga has joined #maemo09:05
*** BBNS has quit IRC09:05
timeless_mbpi am not a number!09:05
*** JoakimCarli has joined #maemo09:06
timeless_mbpwhat kind of number is a pizza?09:06
luke-jrno, you're a pizza.09:06
*** BBNS has joined #maemo09:06
Lynouretimeless_mbp: you seem clueful... any idea what I could try?09:08
timeless_mbpwhy didst thou dubbest me as pizza?09:08
timeless_mbpLynoure: you're assuming i'm paying attention instead of trying to literally rewrite the map09:09
timeless_mbpLynoure: pastebin your current error09:10
timeless_mbpi can't read your screen09:10
*** zs has joined #maemo09:10
*** hellwolf-n810 has quit IRC09:10
*** hellwolf-n810 has joined #maemo09:11
*** wazd has quit IRC09:11
Lynouretimeless_mbp: Unresolveld inclusion <hildonmm.h>09:12
*** _marcell_ has joined #maemo09:12
Lynouretimeless_mbp: Unresolved inclusion <gtkmm.h>09:12
timeless_mbphave you found
LynoureNo idea how to check09:13
*** lorelei^_ is now known as lorelei^09:13
Lynourebus arriving, I'll have to go and recheck later. Sorry for the suddenness of this.09:13
*** mece has joined #maemo09:14
timeless_mbpLynoure: roughly, you need to figure out who provides it09:15
Lynouretimeless_mbp: I installed sdk with the nokia script and esbox with Getting started with maemo5 video instructions09:15
timeless_mbpmy guess (randomly) would be gtkmm-dev09:15
timeless_mbpthe fremantle xref does not have a gtkmm.h09:15
Lynouretimeless_mbp: I thought I did, and installed those into the scratchbox09:15
*** geaaru has joined #maemo09:16
Lynourehmm. I'll come back on my lunchbreak. Damn meetings.09:16
timeless_mbpin general, you need to do two things:09:16
*** ab[out] is now known as ab09:16
timeless_mbp1. install foo-dev09:16
timeless_mbp2. make sure pkgconfig --cflags foo works09:16
*** zs has quit IRC09:18
*** sleipnir has joined #maemo09:19
*** wazd has joined #maemo09:19
*** eMHa has quit IRC09:21
tigertwhy does extras-devel fail for me all the time?09:21
*** udovdh has quit IRC09:21
*** lardman has joined #maemo09:22
lardmanmorning all09:22
timeless_mbptigert: to teach you patience09:23
tigerti has it :)09:25
*** eton has quit IRC09:25
*** eton has joined #maemo09:25
tigert"no hash entry in release file"09:25
*** wrapster has joined #maemo09:25
tigertanyone else seeing this?09:25
Xisdibikis there any way to load subtitles into the default media player for videos?09:26
Chaniwhat can I use to #ifdef out code that's maemo-only?09:26
*** BBNS has quit IRC09:26
* tigert wonders if appmanager is broken in this build or if the repo is broken09:26
*** BBNS has joined #maemo09:26
*** eton has quit IRC09:26
tigertXisdibik: no09:26
tigertXisdibik: install mplayer09:26
tigertit should do some sub stuff?09:26
wrapsteros.system() call does not show anything on n900 but on scratchbox it works fine.. so had this doubt of whether I need to pipe it to something to get it up on the n900 screen as well?09:26
wrapsteranyone has an idea?09:27
lardmanXisdibik: file a bug, I want that too09:27
lardmanwrapster: what are you running in there?09:27
Xisdibiklardman: have you filed a bug already?09:27
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: gah09:27
timeless_mbpi so want to kill someone09:28
timeless_mbptekojo: ping09:28
wrapsterlardman: a few shell commands09:28
timeless_mbpplease explain to me why i should distinguish between nokia software and third party software09:28
lardmanXisdibik: no, but I just stuck a movie + subtitles on my N900; check there's not one already mind you09:28
*** eton has joined #maemo09:28
timeless_mbpand, what actually counts as 'Nokia' software?09:28
lardmanwrapster: they are not running?09:28
wrapsterlardman: no.. irony is that they run perfectly on scratbox but none of the them run on n900's terminal09:29
*** benh has quit IRC09:29
*** eton has quit IRC09:29
*** lbt has joined #maemo09:29
lardmanwrapster: what are the commands?09:29
lardmanyou don't use /bin/bash by chance?09:29
timeless_mbphas anyone here ever seen the orange software updates notification?09:29
* Xisdibik hasnt09:29
*** eton has joined #maemo09:29
wrapsterlardman: any command... but for now.. may be this os.system('cat full_info.log |more')09:30
timeless_mbplardman: have you ever seen it suggest 'Nokia Software'?09:30
Flandryi have09:30
lardmanwrapster: strange, but ok, in that case I don't know09:30
timeless_mbpFlandry: what "Nokia Software" did it offer to update?09:30
lardmantimeless_mbp: not sure I have, but then we've not had an OTA update have we09:30
Flandryonly for m.o software09:30
Flandryextras rather :P09:31
* timeless_mbp pokes tekojo 09:31
*** hannesw__ has joined #maemo09:31
* lardman has a sore throat :(09:31
* Xisdibik pokes lardman with a pm09:31
*** eton_ has joined #maemo09:31
* lardman always misses those, so goes to look at it now09:31
*** hannesw__ has quit IRC09:32
*** BBNS has quit IRC09:32
*** hannesw has joined #maemo09:32
mecevisudo points to the wrong editor location in fremantle09:32
Venomrushdoes the N900 mail client support IMAP IDLE?09:32
*** BBNS has joined #maemo09:32
Venomrushfor use with push mails09:32
*** hellwolf-n810 has quit IRC09:33
*** zer0mdq has quit IRC09:34
*** hellwolf-n810 has joined #maemo09:34
*** asolsson has joined #maemo09:34
timeless_mbpVenomrush: ever heard of google?09:34
mecetimeless_mbp, google is evil.09:35
*** Lorthirk has joined #maemo09:35
*** bolsh has joined #maemo09:36
mecewow.. yahoo search looks like google these days :D09:36
timeless_mbpmece: you mean it's evil in that it enables people to not seem as clueless as they are09:36
lardmansubtitles are supported by gstreamer
lardmanso might be worth trying to compile that gst element and see if they magically appear :)09:37
mecetimeless_mbp, you're talking about search engines, not google.09:37
mecetimeless_mbp, although google does have a search engine that is pretty good.09:37
lardmanso are we on version 0.10.4 or later I wonder?09:38
Sarguncan I have multiple exchange accouns09:38
timeless_mbpSargun: wanna practice using google09:38
mecetimeless_mbp, How's that a fail?09:38
Sarguntimeless_mbp, I don't like using google09:38
timeless_mbpmece: none of the top hits have anything about the n900's support for imap idle09:39
timeless_mbpthey're mostly articles about competitor's imap idle support  + an ad for the n90009:39
meceexcept the one pointing here:
timeless_mbpmece: yeah, for me that was #1009:39
*** BBNS has quit IRC09:39
timeless_mbpi typically give up after about 309:40
mecetimeless_mbp, still, it's there, so not a fail imo.09:40
*** BBNS has joined #maemo09:40
Flandryyeah i don't have much luck searching for stuff on m.o09:40
timeless_mbpFlandry: you get one free 'loser was too lazy to search'09:40
timeless_mbpafter that, you'll have to pay09:41
mecetimeless_mbp, I'm not saying yahoo is as good as google, but it does wrok most of the time.09:41
mecenot only does it wrok, it also works :)09:41
timeless_mbpwell it doesn't rock!09:41
Flandrythere's a difference between searching and not finding and not searching though09:41
cehtehmodest makes me thinking about finally switching to gnus09:42
*** Wikier has joined #maemo09:42
*** swc|666 has quit IRC09:42
meceis there a way to change where visudo looks for vi, or does one have to symlink to vi from the place it looks?09:42
meceWohoo! Helena is released!09:44
tigertX-Fade: do you still know about the webstuff?09:44
tigertwow, lots of idling :)09:44
*** bigbrovar has quit IRC09:44
Stskeepsx-fade may still be on holiday?09:44
tigertlooks like extras-devel Release file was missing all the checksum stuff09:44
tigertyeah it seems so, 13 days idle09:45
tigertso this now has the hash stuff09:45
tigertbut when this failed in appmanager09:45
*** warp10 has joined #maemo09:45
tigertI opened it in browser and got just the "header" part in the beginning, ie, the file ended after the Date: line09:45
*** Rhoruns has joined #maemo09:45
* timeless_mbp frowns09:46
tigertso nobody else has ever seen this?09:47
Sargunwhy is the exchange syncronization taking like09:47
Sargun3 hrs09:47
* Sargun aborts it09:47
timeless_mbpFlandry: only one active MfE account at a time09:48
FlandryThink you got the wrong guy09:48
Xisdibikhe does :)09:48
timeless_mbphrm, probably09:49
XisdibikSargun is who he ment09:49
timeless_mbps/Flandry/Sargun/ ?09:49
Stskeepstigert: suspect there's a update process that doesn't modify a local copy and then updting atomically09:49
timeless_mbpSargun: how should multiple accounts work?09:49
tigertStskeeps: that came to my mind too09:49
timeless_mbpif i have a calendar entry in MfE-Nokia-MSExch200709:49
timeless_mbpand I add MfE-Google-GMail09:49
timeless_mbpshould my calendar entry be added to that service too?09:50
*** guardian has quit IRC09:50
Lynouretimeless_mbp: (15min break) I do have libhildon-dev and libgtk-2.4-dev on both scratchbox targets. Do I need such things on the host as well?09:50
timeless_mbpLynoure: you should never need -dev packages on device09:50
timeless_mbpthey're basically header files and linker object files09:50
timeless_mbp(archives technically, whatever)09:50
Lynouretimeless_mbp: the header files is what I think I am missing...09:51
*** lbt is now known as lbt_09:51
timeless_mbpLynoure: i don't think the gtkmm file is a standard part of gtk09:51
Lynouretimeless_mbp: So I need to have those in my host OS?09:51
*** sleipnir has quit IRC09:51
Sarguntimeless_mbp, well.09:51
*** eton has quit IRC09:51
Sargunwhat's MfE09:51
*** hellwolf-n810 has quit IRC09:51
Sarguntimeless_mbp, works on my Palm Pre09:51
XisdibikMfE = Mail for Exchange09:52
Stskeepstigert: and then it might get amplified by the CDN sync script.. nothing i have access to look at though09:52
* timeless_mbp needs to rename MfE to Exchange09:52
timeless_mbpor ActiveSync09:52
* timeless_mbp hasn't figured out which yet09:52
tigerttimeless_mbp: well it should just add two calendars09:52
timeless_mbptigert: ok09:52
tigertmail works just fine like that too09:52
tigertmultiple accounts09:52
timeless_mbpwhat about when i add a contact?09:53
timeless_mbpdoes it get automatically added to the other MfE addressbook?09:53
tigertno, because multiple accounts do not work :)09:53
*** brbrbr has quit IRC09:53
tigertbut that is likely an issue that would need to be solved somehow09:53
timeless_mbphow should MfE *know* not to upload the contact to the second MfE service?09:53
*** BBNS has quit IRC09:53
Xisdibikwha, i thought you just said it did tigert09:53
tigertyou have multiple contact sources even now though09:53
timeless_mbptigert: no kidding09:53
* Xisdibik is confuzzled09:53
tigertXisdibik: multiple Exchange accounts do not work09:54
*** BBNS has joined #maemo09:54
*** calvaris has joined #maemo09:54
timeless_mbpXisdibik: what he said is multiple mailboxes kinda works09:54
timeless_mbpand multiple calendars kinda works09:54
timeless_mbpso in theory those two things should be possible for MfE09:54
timeless_mbpif it were enabled09:54
tigertbut there is no fundamental reason why it couldnt work09:54
timeless_mbp(it's actively crippled by the MfE team)09:54
tigertmultimail works with imap09:54
tigertcalendar sync only works apparently with MfE09:55
timeless_mbpyeah, it's just ui09:55
*** benh has joined #maemo09:55
tigertwhich sucks,09:55
timeless_mbptigert: technically cal sync works w/ PC Suite :)09:55
tigertsince it would be nice to get the work calendar + googlecalendar09:55
timeless_mbpmy personal n900 is on loan to a guy who uses it09:55
tigerttimeless_mbp: yea pcsuite syncs09:55
*** mardi__ has quit IRC09:55
tigertbut pcsuite also sucks :)09:55
timeless_mbpso don't say "Only" =b09:55
timeless_mbpoh, you'll never hear an argument from me on that point ;-)09:55
tigertbut the device says it is not recommended to use both at the same time09:56
lardmanis PC Suite written in Qt?09:56
timeless_mbpperhaps s/also/only/ ;-)09:56
timeless_mbptigert: well, yeah09:56
timeless_mbpyou really don't want to09:56
timeless_mbpit should be able to create some terrible loops09:56
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo09:56
timeless_mbpwhat it actually means is "don't sync the same account using two means"09:56
*** jrocha has joined #maemo09:57
LynoureI could not find hildonmm.h at all on rmx.maemo.org09:57
tigerttimeless_mbp: right09:57
timeless_mbpLynoure: yep, i think mm=c++ package09:57
timeless_mbpi don't think it's something we'd have09:57
tigerttimeless_mbp: now what one needs is a native port of pcsuite09:57
* tigert ducks ;D09:57
timeless_mbpsince maemo was gtk-c09:57
timeless_mbptigert: um09:57
Lynouretimeless_mbp: weird...09:58
timeless_mbpi need smaller holes in my head09:58
timeless_mbpdunno about you09:58
tigerttimeless_mbp: I wonder if the sync stuff limits multiaccounts only in the ui?09:58
timeless_mbpporting pc suite isn't quite something i'd want09:58
timeless_mbptigert: ask vitaly09:58
tigerttimeless_mbp: I was just joking about pcsuite porting09:58
timeless_mbphe explained what they did09:58
Lynouretimeless_mbp: I'm working with a tutorial provided by Nokia, called Getting Started With Moemo509:58
infobotLynoure meant: timeless_mbp: I'm working with a tutorial provided by Nokia, called Getting Started With Maemo509:58
timeless_mbpLynoure: does it actually use gtkmm?09:59
timeless_mbpif so, contact the author09:59
LynoureAny idea of what tutorial I should use, that would work?09:59
Lynouretimeless_mbp: Yes.09:59
*** Rhoruns has quit IRC09:59
timeless_mbpcontact the author09:59
timeless_mbpi believe the author is smoking something09:59
LynoureNo idea who the author is.09:59
LynoureWhat tutorial should I use instead? Eventually I'd like to use Qt for my app?10:00
infobotLynoure meant: What tutorial should I use instead? Eventually I'd like to use Qt for my app10:00
* timeless_mbp wonders about that audio track10:00
timeless_mbpis it text to speech?10:01
timeless_mbpshe isn't reading the text on the screen10:01
timeless_mbpbut her pace is fixed10:01
LynoureSeems to be more speech than the text.10:01
timeless_mbpso.. i don't deal w/ fn10:02
timeless_mbpbut if you can't find a way to contact them, i'd suggest ... well... figure it out10:02
timeless_mbpthere's a big "Feedback" button at the bottom left of this page :)10:02
timeless_mbpok, it isn't that big..10:02
LynoureAnyway, I don't have to use _that_ tutorial... but is it so that there is no recommendable tutorials?10:02
timeless_mbpi wouldn't bother with Gtk++10:03
timeless_mbpit seems like a waste10:03
LynoureQt, like I said.10:03
timeless_mbpyou're using Gtk C because you have Gtk C code you want to use10:03
timeless_mbpotherwise, if you like C++, you should just use Qt10:03
timeless_mbpnote that, in my current life, i'm not a Qt coder10:04
Lynouretimeless_mbp: I'm using gtk because I did not get to the qt part of that tutorial yet10:04
Lynoure...and never will, if the author seems to be smoking something =)10:04
timeless_mbpthere's a "feedback *disclaimer*"!10:04
*** trickie has joined #maemo10:04
* lardman wonders if the BBC mobile page provides those twitter like comments during rugby matches?10:04
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo10:06
*** BBNS has quit IRC10:06
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS10:06
timeless_mbpLynoure: i found signs of a
timeless_mbpi'd assume that package depends on enough interesting bits of gtkmm10:07
timeless_mbpso libhildonmm-dev is in extras-devel10:08
timeless_mbpof course, extras-devel is probably dead :)10:08
murrayc_What's the problem?10:08
* timeless_mbp shrugs10:09
Lynourelibhildonmm-dev is what I installed on the scratchbox already, no help.10:09
murrayc_Here's how to install maemomm:10:09
*** kwek__ is now known as kwek10:09
Lynouremurrayc_: mostly I'm hoping to find a tutorial tha would get me started on my way to make a qt app for N90010:10
*** BBNS has quit IRC10:10
*** BBNS has joined #maemo10:10
murrayc_Lynoure: maemomm is not much use to you then.10:10
lardmanhmm, someone was talking about petrovich the other day, I thought they meant this:
*** fluff|afk is now known as fluff10:10
*** petur has joined #maemo10:10
*** petrux has joined #maemo10:10
Lynouremurrayc_: and was trying to use but ran into problems, now wondering if it is broken or obsolete10:10
*** JoeBrain has joined #maemo10:11
Lynouremurrayc_: yes, I know, just a step to test the dev environment. But what tutorial should I use?10:11
*** chmac has joined #maemo10:11
*** ds3 has quit IRC10:11
*** netvandal has joined #maemo10:12
timeless_mbpLynoure: it sounds like they forgot to tell you to install maemomm10:12
timeless_mbpcomplain to FN10:12
timeless_mbpplease note that FN is not affiliated with #maemo10:13
timeless_mbpFN is a commercial entity within nokia10:13
timeless_mbpit's distinct from Maemo Devices10:13
timeless_mbp(they have people who kinda work with us, but they are technically not ours)10:13
murrayc_Lynoure: This might be helpful, but the earlier version that I checked was quite awful:
LynoureI did already complain about the tutorial.10:14
*** BBNS has quit IRC10:14
*** BBNS has joined #maemo10:14
Lynouremurrayc_: "awful" currently beats "no starting point" :)10:14
murrayc_It's really very bad.10:15
Lynouremurrayc_: any idea ideas for a starting point?10:16
adeuswell that doesn't look all that bad10:17
adeusat least the hello world parts seem ok10:17
*** BBNS has quit IRC10:18
*** BBNS has joined #maemo10:18
Lynoureadeus: I'll try with that one, then :)10:19
adeuspersonally I'd skip the ESBox stuff :P10:20
Lynourehmm, I did have all the maemomm packages installed in the scratchbox already, hmm10:20
Lynoureadeus: what would you use instead?10:21
murrayc_Lynoure: Were you using pkg-config to get the paths?10:21
hrw|gone - who is behind that crap?10:21
hrw|gonesomeone know?10:21
adeuswell just native qt tools10:22
adeusqt creator or just emacs..10:22
adeusbut maybe I'm too oldschool10:22
*** eMHa has joined #maemo10:22
murrayc_hrw|gone: Looks like content theft.10:22
hrw|gonemurrayc_: I know that - my posts are there10:23
lardmanhmm, why do my avis appear with a bit of working screen at the top and the rest green?10:23
*** tbf has joined #maemo10:23
hrw|goneRegistrant: Simon Challis 15 Victoria rd Laindon Essex ss156an United Kingdom10:23
*** ds3 has joined #maemo10:24
mecehrw|gone, wtf? That is pretty weird.10:24
*** BBNS has quit IRC10:24
hrw|goneok, need to go now, will be back in ~2h10:25
*** BBNS has joined #maemo10:25
*** trbs_ has joined #maemo10:25
Lynouremurrayc_: I'll try that on my next break10:26
*** JoeBrain has quit IRC10:26
adeusis actually using the eclipse thingy now?10:26
*** DantonicN800 has quit IRC10:26
Lynoureadeus: I'm new to qt so something ide-like might be good...10:26
adeusmy experience of it is quite old10:26
*** sleipnir has joined #maemo10:26
adeusthen maybe you should that then10:27
*** frade has joined #maemo10:27
Lynoureadeus: that=?10:28
*** millenomi has joined #maemo10:28
adeusthe esbox10:28
adeusdescribed in that doc10:28
*** BBNS has quit IRC10:28
*** BBNS has joined #maemo10:28
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo10:29
Lynoureadeus: I'll give it a shot. And then leap to using something else  if it sucks10:29
*** andre__ has joined #maemo10:30
lardman~curse application manager for taking so damn long to do anything10:31
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, application manager for taking so damn long to do anything !10:31
*** Tyrant91101 has quit IRC10:32
*** BBNS has quit IRC10:32
Flandryyeah it's really slow10:32
*** BBNS has joined #maemo10:32
timeless_mbphrw|gone: that isn't your site? :)10:32
Flandryand in sdk i have to re-set red pill mode every other time i use it10:33
Flandryand tell it to assume net connection10:33
lardmanargh, why can't I find gst-inspect?10:33
timeless_mbphrw|gone: looks like an advertising aggregator10:33
*** rmoravcik has joined #maemo10:33
*** DarwinSurvivor has joined #maemo10:34
* suihkulokki notices a fresh "clutter" branch in maemo-mapper git10:34
lardmanhmm, gstreamer-tools /me wonders10:34
*** Lorthirk has quit IRC10:34
lardmansuihkulokki: for Qt?10:35
timeless_mbpsuihkulokki: stalking isn't polite :)10:35
*** BBNS has quit IRC10:36
*** BBNS has joined #maemo10:37
suihkulokkitimeless_mbp: :P no just someone asked from me if there was a maemo-mapper for n900 so I went to check what's going on =)10:37
SargunDoes the front camera do anything useful on the n900?10:37
Ford_PrefectSargun, video conferencing on GTalk/Skype?10:38
SargunFord_Prefect, It doesn't have an option for video10:38
Venomrushcan't really switch Camera to use front camera10:38
Myrttiand that means it will not have an option in the future?10:38
Venomrushcan't see where use Video Calling..10:38
Sargunwhen will it?10:38
lardmananyone have a film with .sub subtitles and want to see if subparse works?10:39
*** danielwilms has joined #maemo10:39
suihkulokkiSargun: there is a mirror application for it10:39
Sargunhaha, really10:40
timeless_mbpSargun: it takes up space :)10:40
timeless_mbpbut yeah, the mirror app works today10:40
timeless_mbpthe goal is to use it for video conferencing eventually10:40
*** goshawk has joined #maemo10:40
zaheermi hope front camera quality and that annoying stripe on right improves soon though :)10:41
*** promulo has quit IRC10:41
* timeless_mbp frowns10:41
*** Sateesh has joined #maemo10:42
*** lbt has joined #maemo10:43
* timeless_mbp sighs10:44
*** BBNS has quit IRC10:44
*** BBNS has joined #maemo10:44
timeless_mbpwhose brilliant idea was it to spell Hartford as hatford?10:44
timeless_mbpjust because it's pronounced that way doesn't mean it's spelled that way10:44
* timeless_mbp guesses it was a finn10:45
*** _claesbas has joined #maemo10:45
MyrttiEnglish pronounciation is screwed up anyway10:45
*** pvanhoof has joined #maemo10:45
timeless_mbpyeah, but you're not supposed to pronounce words when you write them for publication10:46
timeless_mbpyou're supposed to use a reference and make sure you properly copy+paste the thing10:46
zaheermwe have worse at our company10:47
*** igagis has joined #maemo10:47
timeless_mbpmirophone/micorophone wins prizes10:47
zaheermwhere we have spaniards writing the spanish PR and an english translator translating them10:48
*** chmac has quit IRC10:48
*** eocanha has joined #maemo10:48
timeless_mbpzaheerm: but have you ever had anyone write out Cuidad de México?10:48
timeless_mbpyou clearly haven't been to
zaheermwe've had phrases you'd have to look at 3 times to understand what they meant though10:49
*** chmac has joined #maemo10:49
timeless_mbp(you have to wait for the ribbons to move away)10:49
* timeless_mbp still wants to know what the heck is10:49
zaheermMexico City (Spanish: Ciudad de México, or Distrito Federal)10:49
*** bergie has quit IRC10:50
zaheermso they got it right10:50
timeless_mbpzaheerm: um10:50
timeless_mbpread the front page flash carefully10:50
timeless_mbpno cheating10:50
zaheermsorry i see nothing wrong, except the meet your city part looks daft10:51
*** javispedro has joined #maemo10:51
timeless_mbpok, please read the title of the city letter at a time10:51
zaheermoh ashit10:51
timeless_mbpdon't read the words you think they wrote, read the letters10:52
zaheermi didn't spot that10:52
* timeless_mbp noticed10:52
timeless_mbpteaching people to read is apparently hard10:52
zaheermhave you filed a bug report with them? :)10:52
timeless_mbpum... over a week ago i sent email to 3 of the employees at that store10:52
zaheermyes especially as tendency is not to actually read but try and recognise the whole word10:52
timeless_mbpthey send thanks10:52
*** fab has joined #maemo10:53
infobottimeless_mbp meant: they said thanks10:53 doesn't work10:53
timeless_mbpit used to exist10:54
timeless_mbpit was a flash property10:54
*** fnordianslip has joined #maemo10:54
*** `0660_ has joined #maemo10:54
*** javispedro has quit IRC10:55
*** dneary has joined #maemo10:55
*** lardman has quit IRC10:56
timeless_mbpi wonder if the guy from has better contacts10:56
*** RXrenesis81 has quit IRC10:57
zaheermyou think nokia were bad wrt launch of n900 read this:
timeless_mbpwait, there's a nokia flagship store in dubaii?10:57
zaheermtimeless_mbp, yep to attract the yuppies ;)10:57
PolarFoxtimeless_mbp: Why not? I can't think no better place .. :D10:57
timeless_mbpzaheerm: it isn't on the site10:58
timeless_mbpif it isn't on the web, it must not exist10:58
*** EspadaV8_W has joined #maemo10:58
*** kalikiana has joined #maemo10:59
suihkulokkitimeless_mbp: tsk, tsk, it is Dubai, not "dubaii". :P10:59
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo10:59
timeless_mbpsuihkulokki: yeah, i saw, but decided not to s// :(10:59
timeless_mbpbut at least nokia didn't manage to misspell it, since they don't list it :)10:59
timeless_mbpbut seriously11:00
*** BBNS has quit IRC11:00
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS11:00
timeless_mbpgoogle is not helping me find much evidence that nokia-flagship-dubai exists11:00
PolarFoxWait, g00gle tells me that it's a Nokia Concept Store11:01
PolarFoxnot a flagship store.11:01
PolarFoxLooks like Flagship store... but isn't.. :)11:01
timeless_mbpthat claims it's a flagship11:01
timeless_mbput yeah, google says concept store11:01
infobottimeless_mbp meant: but yeah, google says concept store11:02
PolarFoxOh... It's in a blog, it must be true.. :)11:02
timeless_mbpif it's in only one blog, it must be false :)11:02
DangerMaussaw someoone mention the dubai flagship store in the reboot or bricking buggy11:02
* Sargun hasn't begun N900 love yet11:02
* DangerMaus starts tomarrow11:03
SargunWhere do I put my music11:03
timeless_mbpcan someone please explain why [india] is in a dropdown?11:04
Sargunhow do I prevent the N900 from sleeping11:05
*** DarwinSurvivor has quit IRC11:05
timeless_mbpplug it in11:05
RST38hAny SDL experts around?11:06
*** chmac has quit IRC11:06
* timeless_mbp kicks nokia11:07
*** ferdna has quit IRC11:07
timeless_mbpthere's no "i didn't do anything because your site sucked"11:07
*** `0660 has quit IRC11:07
*** fnordianslippers has quit IRC11:09
*** Sateesh has quit IRC11:10
DangerMaustimeless_mbp, ^^11:10
*** DarwinSurvivor has joined #maemo11:11
timeless_mbpi'm a winner11:11
timeless_mbpi'm not done taking the .in survey11:11
timeless_mbpand now i have a chance to take the .ae survey11:11
Corsac wtf11:12
Corsac(and 1, 2)11:12
timeless_mbphow can they not spell OS X correctly?11:13
Corsacwhat about Mac OS 9?11:13
*** goshawk has quit IRC11:13
timeless_mbpCorsac: ...11:14
Corsacwhat? :)11:15
*** bergie has joined #maemo11:15
timeless_mbpif nokia is trying to compete w/ software from Mac OS 9 days, that'd explain some things11:15
timeless_mbpbut even software for 9 was shinier and worked better11:15
CorsacOS 9 was release just a few months before Windows 2000 which is in the list too11:15
* DangerMaus falls flat on his face11:16
* DangerMaus waits to see the FedEx plane fly over with his 900 in it11:17
timeless_mbpYou are here - Nokia United Arab Emirates Find a storeStore LocatorApplication Container11:19
timeless_mbpI'm in an application container?11:19
timeless_mbpCorsac: AIX is listed11:19
timeless_mbpdo i even want to know when AIX last had a major version released?11:20
*** fnordianslip has quit IRC11:20
Corsactimeless_mbp: so you can install it on your laptop, sure11:20
*** mashiara has joined #maemo11:21
Stskeepsmashiara: any luck yet?11:22
* DangerMaus throws a stamp on the container and mail timeless_mbp home11:22
timeless_mbpvaluable stamp, eh?11:23
SargunOk, so far the N900 isn't as revolutionary as the N81011:23
mashiarastskeeps: on the kernel/modules front ? haven't had the time11:23
Stskeepsmashiara: k11:23
Sargunit doesn't have working GSM -_- fucking t-mobile11:23
*** fab has quit IRC11:23
*** asolsson has quit IRC11:23
timeless_mbpSargun: eh?11:23
Sarguntimeless_mbp, Apparently you can't get "real" prepaid data on a t-mobile sim11:23
Sargununless you have a sidekick11:24
mashiarastskeeps: I was kind of starting to wonder if there is something in Parallels/my SB installation that messes the kernel up in subtle ways11:24
Shapeshiftermy shop claims that they receive their n900 batch today.11:24
timeless_mbpdo i want to know why exists?11:24
Shapeshifterreason for me to get excited? yes. probably not true? yes.11:24
Sarguntimeless_mbp, I can't get GPRS on a t-mobile SIM without contract.11:24
mashiarastskeeps: though I have yet to try to just dpkg-buildpackage the kernel source package as is and then try flashing it11:24
timeless_mbpcould someone try clicking on ...11:25
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo11:25
timeless_mbpة فائقة. أداء عالي.11:25
timeless_mbpin that web page11:25
*** BBNS has quit IRC11:25
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS11:25
SargunHow hard is it to get signal info (cell, RSSI, etc..)11:25
*** sjaensch has joined #maemo11:25
* timeless_mbp sighs11:25
timeless_mbpwhy in the world would they have an n900en flash ad in an arabic web page?11:26
zaheermif you're talking about dubai11:26
zaheermmost people there do not speak arabic11:26
timeless_mbp is funny11:27
Shapeshifterwoooo the second- and third-biggest mobile providers here just fusioned.11:27
Shapeshifterbetter reception ftw.11:27
Sarguncan I do podcatching in my n900?11:27
timeless_mbpShapeshifter: not necessarily11:27
timeless_mbpSargun: catching?11:27
timeless_mbpwho does podthrowing?11:27
zaheermShapeshifter, a way of decomissioning expensive mast sites :P11:27
Shapeshiftertimeless_mbp: yes necessarily. because one of them doesn't have Edge but loads of 3G antennas11:27
*** goshawk has joined #maemo11:28
Sarguntimeless_mbp, Reading RSS feeds, and automagically downloading new podcrap11:28
Shapeshifterthe other one has only little 3G11:28
Shapeshifterthey make a perfect team11:28
*** goshawk has quit IRC11:28
Shapeshifterand yeah, they can put down a few antennas.11:28
timeless_mbpSargun: i'm pretty sure that podcatching isn't an accepted term11:28
*** goshawk has joined #maemo11:28
zaheerms/a few/ a lot of/ :)11:28
*** tulkastaldo has quit IRC11:28
zaheermSargun, install gpodder11:28
jaemhrm... does the #ifdef Q_WS_HILDON feature require any setup, or does Maemo-Qt just automatically set that on build?11:29
*** tulkastaldo has joined #maemo11:29
*** BBNS has quit IRC11:29
*** BBNS has joined #maemo11:29
*** mashiara has left #maemo11:29
timeless_mbp Results 1 - 10 of about 31,100 for podcatching11:29
Sargunwhat else do you call it11:30
timeless_mbpResults 1 - 10 of about 30,300,000 for podcasting11:30
fralspodcatching, never heard that before11:30
timeless_mbpi'd say anything w/ less than 100,000 hits is a typo11:30
*** wrapster has quit IRC11:30
*** mardi__ has quit IRC11:30
*** bolsh has quit IRC11:32
*** BBNS has quit IRC11:32
*** BBNS has joined #maemo11:33
*** r2d2rogers has quit IRC11:34
*** goshawk has quit IRC11:34
*** goshawk has joined #maemo11:34
*** rabbitear has quit IRC11:36
DangerMausgoing to strap the feedbag on11:36
*** Free_maN has joined #maemo11:36
* jaem moos at DangerMaus 11:37
jaemg'night, all11:37
DangerMausnn jaem11:37
*** asolsson has joined #maemo11:37
timeless_mbpthere are ~250k hits for podcatcher11:37
timeless_mbpv. 900k hits for podcaster11:38
*** millenomi has quit IRC11:38
*** BBNS has quit IRC11:38
timeless_mbpzaheerm: what do they speak?11:39
*** BBNS has joined #maemo11:39
* timeless_mbp is too lazy to ask cia world fact book11:39
*** v2px_ has joined #maemo11:39
mecetimeless_mbp, what are you up to?11:39
zaheermtimeless_mbp, english :)11:39
zaheermtimeless_mbp, it is full of expats who outnumber the locals, the main language of business and pleasure is english11:40
*** fab has joined #maemo11:40
*** florian_kc has joined #maemo11:41
*** florian_kc is now known as florian11:41
timeless_mbpcan you fix "Kamiramat"11:41
*** v2px has quit IRC11:41
DangerMausyep yep fedex just flew over while i was in the kitchen11:42
floriangood morning11:42
ShapeshifterDangerMaus: why didn't you shoot it down11:42
Shapeshifteryou could have had the device in your hands in a minute.11:42
timeless_mbpShapeshifter: s/in/on/11:43
DangerMaustha woulndnt help at this point my 900 is at the sort facility already11:43
*** bilboed-pi has joined #maemo11:44
DangerMaustoo bad they dont deliver till like 9am at the earliest11:45
Shapeshiftermhh, I have a problem with the Qt app I'm writing. It runs natively on linux as it does in scratchbox, but as soon as I add a QMenuBar, it won't show the app anymore in the SDK. It runs, but in the SDK I only see console output, no window.11:45
ShapeshifterDangerMaus: you're staying up all night waiting for it?11:46
DangerMauswas up all night lastnight shouldnt be that bad11:47
DangerMausnow if the stuff i ordered lastweek would get here already but no 2 more days11:48
*** BBNS has quit IRC11:48
*** BBNS has joined #maemo11:48
*** alup has joined #maemo11:49
*** yerga has joined #maemo11:49
*** trofi has joined #maemo11:50
*** yannj has joined #maemo11:54
*** Termana has joined #maemo11:55
*** Termana has quit IRC11:56
*** darktears has quit IRC11:56
*** Termana has joined #maemo11:57
*** Ford_Prefect has quit IRC11:57
*** yannj_fr has joined #maemo11:59
*** El-Scorcho has joined #maemo12:00
*** Sateesh has joined #maemo12:00
*** geaaru has quit IRC12:03
*** BBNS has quit IRC12:03
*** BBNS has joined #maemo12:03
*** _berto_ has joined #maemo12:03
*** darktears has joined #maemo12:04
Shapeshifterhow can I find out what package version I have of a package (e.g. qt)?12:04
*** yannj has quit IRC12:06
WntShapeshifter: apt-cache show pkg-name12:06
ShapeshifterWnt: thanks.12:07
adeusor dpkg -l|grep pkg-name12:08
*** BBNS has quit IRC12:08
*** BBNS has joined #maemo12:09
Shapeshifterthis is really weird.12:09
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC12:09
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo12:09
*** goshawk has quit IRC12:15
*** BBNS has quit IRC12:15
*** BBNS has joined #maemo12:15
*** tank-man has quit IRC12:17
timeless_mbpdpkg -S + apt-cache show12:18
odin_does a Class 6 MMC card work faster in the N900 than Class 2 (i.e. the read/write performance bottleneck is the card?)12:18
timeless_mbpodin_: i highly doubt anyone here would know12:18
timeless_mbp99% of us are software people12:18
timeless_mbpthat's not really a software question12:18
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo12:19
odin_I'd have thought someone might have tried it, to speed up the development process, faster card = faster turn around cycles?12:19
timeless_mbpwhat dev process?12:19
timeless_mbpno one does work on mmc's12:19
glass_probably someone does12:20
timeless_mbpfastest read/write is almost certainly ubifs12:20
glass_but it would be a rare occasion where it would make impact on dev process12:20
odin_glass_, yes in the whole mix the reload/reboot is a small part of overall time12:20
DangerMausgreat question odin_  i wish i knew12:21
DangerMausbut i'll prob buy the class 6 anyways $$$12:21
odin_timeless_mbp, what does ubifs have to do with things ?  isn't that just a fs format12:21
timeless_mbpubifs on the n900 refers to a specific volume12:22
timeless_mbpmost volumes have native write-leveling12:22
*** JamieBennett1 has joined #maemo12:22
timeless_mbpthe volume hosting ubifs does not12:22
odin_DangerMaus, suppler sent me a Class2 16Gb (when I ordered Class6 same brand), Class6 in short supply12:22
timeless_mbpa feature of ubifs is write-leveling12:22
odin_DangerMaus, thinking over if I should send it back or not, I have no card in there at the mo12:22
DangerMausodin_, ouch!12:22
Venomrushhow is different to :\12:23
*** BBNS has quit IRC12:23
timeless_mbpVenomrush: one is obsolete12:23
odin_DangerMaus, class6 is x2.2 times the price of a class212:23
timeless_mbpand really needs to be killed from the repo12:23
timeless_mbpVenomrush: i haven't gotten around to filing a bug12:23
timeless_mbpideally one should have an obsoletes tag against the other12:23
timeless_mbpnot sure if it does12:23
*** JamieBennett has quit IRC12:23
*** BBNS has joined #maemo12:23
Venomrushso which one are we meant to be using12:23
DangerMausand from what i understand  class 6 is x6 speed  and class2 is 2x speed12:23
*** choppa has joined #maemo12:24
odin_DangerMaus, yes correct, my understanding too, but for the extra speed you pay x2.2 the price12:24
Venomrushi'm assuming the higher version?12:24
DangerMausdid they refund the extra $$$ by sending you a class2?12:25
DangerMausodin_, ^^12:26
DangerMausi use mostly class 6 in my camera12:26
odin_DangerMaus, well I said to them (it was purchased through amazon market space from a UK supplier, I am in UK), I said, if they have a Class 6 in stock I will pay the cost of Class 2 and keep it too, but if they don't I want a refund12:26
*** andrewgodwin has quit IRC12:27
odin_DangerMaus, this is to stop being trying this method on when they know full well they dont have Class6 in stock but advertise it12:27
odin_DangerMaus, so will refund it and I can return it, but if I cant get Class6 anyhow, I might as well keep it and get a refund for the diff12:27
*** andrewgodwin has joined #maemo12:27
timeless_mbpodin_: there are ~3 people i think @nokia who would know12:28
timeless_mbpbut afaik they don't come out much12:28
timeless_mbppersonally, if the cost isn't much, i'd just demand the difference in value12:28
timeless_mbpi doubt you'll find the extra speed in our device is important12:28
timeless_mbpbut, i don't build mozilla on my n900s12:29
timeless_mbpand i'd hope you wouldn't either...12:29
aSIMULAtorhas anyone tried multitasking on android and if so how does it compare to maemo512:29
*** BBNS has quit IRC12:29
odin_well I can wait until the new year, when class6 are in stock and experiment and report it to wiki :)12:29
timeless_mbpaSIMULAtor: a guy from the rtcomish team had one (htc hero?)12:29
timeless_mbpi didn't like it12:30
timeless_mbpi don't think he did either12:30
DangerMausi got a class 6 in my newegg cart atm fairly cheep but im still trying to find again the local co that sells generic ones well below market and ive never had an issue with them12:30
*** BBNS has joined #maemo12:30
timeless_mbpaSIMULAtor: btw, have you searched for Baltimore in the clock? :)12:30
odin_the brand of this is Trancend (not many microSDHC at 16Gb around)12:30
ShapeshifterA QMenuBar *should* be represented in maemo in the title bar menu thingy, right?12:30
aSIMULAtorno, cause ther'es no use for me to :P12:30
timeless_mbpaSIMULAtor: it's worth at least one giggle!12:31
aSIMULAtorok let me check12:32
odin_the USB interface is not a host interface, but is there any kind of external keyring storage device that works on it?  maybe another silly question from me ?  lols12:32
*** `0660 has joined #maemo12:32
aSIMULAtorso no baltimore but plenty of other cities or towns around it i guess12:33
timeless_mbpaSIMULAtor: i'd recommend using find12:33
timeless_mbpdon't try to find it yourself12:33
ccookeGood Morning12:33
RST38haSIMULA: there aren't many, you know?12:33
*** BBNS has quit IRC12:33
DangerMausodin_, you on a 770?12:33
*** BBNS has joined #maemo12:33
odin_DangerMaus, N90012:33
*** DantonicN800 has joined #maemo12:33
DangerMauswas just out there that you said mmc12:34
*** MarkBao has joined #maemo12:34
*** Flyser has quit IRC12:34
aSIMULAtorso should baltimore be there?12:34
aSIMULAtoror something12:34
odin_microSDHC of course, the device interface on linux is like /dev/mmc or so, hence use of term12:34
*** Sateesh has quit IRC12:34
DangerMausswitch it to host mode odin_ ?12:35
aSIMULAtormaybe i should bitch to the clock ppl that there's no "porter ranch" california instead i have to pick los angeles :P12:35
zaheermreview of samsung h1 "We found the capacitive screen a little reluctant to respond to screen taps at times, though. Getting haptic feedback is well and good, but it does need to be accompanied by action."12:35
meceis there an irc client in extras?12:35
ccookemece: I believe Xchat is there... might only be in extras-devel, still12:35
zaheermmece, xchat exists but i think it is in extras-devel12:35
odin_DangerMaus, so with adaptor I can switch the USB to host mode and use a keyfob storage stick ?12:35
mecek. I don't think I'll be enabling devel on this one though.12:35
DangerMaussee if that helps12:36
zaheermmece, better not to :)12:36
DangerMausodin_, i dont have mine yet but will later today12:36
meceperhaps I could just compile some client that uses curses.12:36
DangerMaus  <<< also good reading odin_12:36
plr_Lynoure: did you install esbox on windows or linux?12:37
timeless_mbpaSIMULAtor: you know you can click the magnifying glass in select time zone, right?12:37
odin_DangerMaus, thanks... I am also looking up "Bluetooth Storage"12:37
* timeless_mbp sighs12:37
*** guardian has joined #maemo12:37
timeless_mbpit isn't even really a time zone picker12:37
timeless_mbpit's a city picker12:37
timeless_mbpbug => me12:37
*** BBNS has quit IRC12:37
DangerMausnp odin_12:37
*** BBNS has joined #maemo12:37
aSIMULAtoroh ok u want me to actually search for hte city and type it in rather than on the world map12:38
*** baraujo has joined #maemo12:38
aSIMULAtoryes i knew there's a city picker dialog but to be honest i dont' use it12:38
aSIMULAtorthe cities i'm interested in are already..on the map :P12:38
*** LuciusMare has joined #maemo12:38
*** rabbitear has joined #maemo12:39
meceanyone tried weechat?12:39
odin_oh maybe bluetooth storage isn't the way to go... 0.72 Mb/sec12:40
zaheermsomeone should tell the firefox boys to put their nightlies in extras-devel12:40
*** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo12:40
*** bilboed-pi has quit IRC12:40
*** bilboed-pi has joined #maemo12:41
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo12:44
*** BBNS has quit IRC12:44
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS12:44
timeless_mbpaSIMULAtor: baltimore is on the map too112:44
timeless_mbpaSIMULAtor: and while baltimore and guam are special12:45
timeless_mbpi suspect you'll find the cities that interest you aren't much less special12:45
Stskeepsis that your office wall or your whiteboard?12:46
Stskeepsah, whiteboard12:46
timeless_mbpand not mine12:46
*** prusnak has joined #maemo12:46
timeless_mbpthe n900 camera is actually pretty good for certain things12:46
SpeedEvilMeh. Not free n900 - they took payment again today. Silly nokia.12:46
timeless_mbpthere's plenty of space above on that whiteboard for the rest of the cities12:47
*** lizardo has joined #maemo12:47
Stskeepsyeah, like digitizing whiteboards12:47
LuciusMarefor example,for photographing12:47
timeless_mbpsadly, ergonomically12:47
Stskeepsimport directly to evernote..12:47
*** goshawk has joined #maemo12:47
*** goshawk_ has joined #maemo12:47
*** goshawk has quit IRC12:47
timeless_mbpStskeeps: anyway, my database is kinda better12:47
*** BBNS has quit IRC12:47
timeless_mbpwhat i really need is for someone to write an app which takes the db and plots the points onto a web page or something12:47
timeless_mbpbecause manually moving pointers sucks12:48
*** BBNS has joined #maemo12:48
timeless_mbp(new wdb is up in n900/wdb fwiw)12:49
*** mairas has joined #maemo12:49
*** asolsson has quit IRC12:50
*** Fargus has joined #MAEMO12:51
*** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s12:51
*** `0660_ has quit IRC12:51
DangerMaustimeless you in europe?12:52
timeless_mbpunfortunately? why do you ask?12:52
DangerMaus2009-01-11  is the the first month or the 11th month12:52
*** Guest11883 has joined #maemo12:52
timeless_mbpyear major is always yyyy-mm-dd12:52
timeless_mbpanyone doing something else is an idiot12:52
*** Guest11883 has left #maemo12:53
timeless_mbpand while i know many idiots, i don't know idiots like that12:53
DangerMausim used to mm-dd-yyyy12:53
* timeless_mbp nods12:53
timeless_mbpi'm personally used to mm/dd/(yy)yy12:53
Myrttithe beauty of the iso standard way is that it alphabetizes nicely12:53
rangeAnd it is easily understandable.12:53
rangeNo chance for misunderstandings.12:54
timeless_mbpnot all iso standards are good12:55
timeless_mbpthis specific one (or portion thereof) is actually a winner12:55
timeless_mbpby contrast, iso week numbering is a loser12:55
*** BBNS has quit IRC12:55
DangerMausskip week numbering and just count the days 1 through 365 or 66 for leap12:56
SargunDangerMaus, DeadMau5?12:56
* DangerMaus walks away12:57
*** BBNS has joined #maemo12:57
DangerMausif your asking relation sargunthen no12:57
*** DarwinSurvivor has quit IRC12:57
DangerMausif your asking relation sargun no12:58
*** zer0mdq has joined #maemo12:58
odin_what is the name of the USB connector of N900 ?  "USB Micro B female" ?13:01
DangerMausshould be13:02
DangerMausmicro b13:02
DangerMausis what i bought for cables13:02
*** halves has joined #maemo13:02
Termanasearch for USB 2.0 A to Micro B Female / Male13:02
*** BBNS has quit IRC13:02
odin_ah wikipedia have a page with diagram, looks like Micro-B to me too13:03
TermanaTheir available on Amazon for $1.7513:03
DangerMaus lower right13:03
*** BBNS has joined #maemo13:03
*** hrw|gone is now known as hrw13:04
odin_I am looking for cable or adaptor to make a hostmode cable, quite difficult I think as converting "USB Micro-B male" to "USB Type A receptable" is an unusual request13:04
DangerMausleast were on the same page13:04
*** rkirti has joined #maemo13:04
Lynoureplr_: Linux13:04
DangerMausi dont know how current that article is  odin_ i linked to you13:05
SpeedEviltake to cables, solder.13:05
DangerMauswas like last year but provides ideas13:05
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo13:05
Lynoureplr_: (Sorry for delay, my current paid work took over)13:05
Termanabash commands no work here silly13:06
*** JamieBennett has joined #maemo13:06
mecethey should tho.13:07
*** JamieBennett1 has quit IRC13:07
TermanaYou could alias /ls to /list :P I assume that should be easy on irssi, don't know about xchat as I don't know its (xchat's) scripting abilities.13:08
mecehey is irssi in the repositories?13:08
Termanan900 repositories?13:09
meceTermana, ya13:09
TermanaDon't know sorry - and I don't own an n900 to find out :P I know XChat is13:09
meceI'm actually compiling it in the sdk atm, but I guess some folks are already using it.13:10
*** halves has quit IRC13:13
*** BBNS has quit IRC13:13
SargunLinux lucifer 2.6.31-gentoo-r3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Nov 16 00:25:56 PST 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9550 @ 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux13:13
SargunI modded my N900 and put a Core 2 in there.13:13
*** BBNS has joined #maemo13:13
*** eMHa has quit IRC13:13
*** halves has joined #maemo13:13
mecestupid virtualbox13:14
SpeedEvilDamn, the n900 _needs_ a stylus sensor.13:14
SpeedEvilSo it can squeal if you put it down without13:14
*** Kusk has quit IRC13:15
DangerMausor nokia needs to have spares available13:15
*** asolsson has joined #maemo13:15
mecerunning linux mint on the other screen in virtualbox, and it looks like it's active, but you still have to click it first.13:17
DangerMausyour getting good at the wrong window bit today mece13:17
DangerMausi do it in E alot not in a virtual  cant get the focus just rite13:18
meceDangerMaus, quite.13:18
meceoh blast there's not a premade control file and all that :@13:18
*** halves has joined #maemo13:18
DangerMaustictoctictoc few more hours till i can dance with it13:19
meceNice to see that the N900 works with ampache straight out of the box.13:19
* DangerMaus is jelouse13:22
DangerMausstill i never thought i could order one yesterday and get it today13:22
*** hrw is now known as hrw|gone13:24
*** zap_ has joined #maemo13:25
*** herz1 has joined #maemo13:26
VenomrushDangerMaus: where are you ordering it from?13:27
*** BBNS has quit IRC13:27
*** MarkBao has quit IRC13:27
*** BBNS has joined #maemo13:27
DangerMausKlowner, did it too and he should get his today also13:27
DangerMausyou pay a bit more but it will be in hand13:28
DangerMausdont know if the price went back up to msrp or not  after the weekend13:28
*** JPohlmann has joined #maemo13:29
*** xnt14 has joined #maemo13:29
*** tonikitoo is now known as IRCMonkey09876513:30
DangerMausnope still listed at the lower price Venomrush13:30
*** Kusk has joined #maemo13:30
*** agi has joined #maemo13:30
*** mikhas has joined #maemo13:31
*** `0660_ has joined #maemo13:32
agiany news/hints on bugs 6334/6350?13:33
*** shdb has quit IRC13:34
*** LuciusMare has quit IRC13:34
agiindeed, happening here all the time13:34
*** shdb has joined #maemo13:34
*** sjaensch has quit IRC13:35
Stskeepsagi: the bug is certainly been given attention to13:35
Stskeepsif you have Eero looking at it, you got one of the best guys on it :P13:35
DangerMausbad bug it is.. i had just checked it and nothing new13:35
*** ali1234 has quit IRC13:36
*** BBNS has quit IRC13:36
agiStskeeps: thanks, if I can be of any help, just let me know13:36
*** BBNS has joined #maemo13:37
aginot a maemo hacker but quite experienced gnu/linux sysadmin13:37
*** Dantonic has joined #maemo13:37
DangerMausStskeeps, is this widespread or just realy over in like italy and finnland ect..13:38
agiI'm in Spain13:38
agiand it's happening in the UK too13:39
StskeepsDangerMaus: i am not a nokia employee, just for good measure. i don't have those issues and i'm on 42-11, but with a summit device13:39
Stskeepsi'm just saying that there seems to be a capable nokian on the case13:39
*** warp10_ has joined #maemo13:39
DangerMausoh yeqah totaly13:40
agiI'm new to BTS, in order to add a comment yo just reply the last one?13:40
Stskeepsyes, or in the top13:40
*** warp10_ has quit IRC13:41
timeless_mbpagi: um13:41
timeless_mbpdon't "reply"13:41
timeless_mbpjust add your comment13:41
timeless_mbpthis isn't a mailing list, everything that exists in the bug will effectively always exist in the bug13:41
RST38hMhm...Everybody and their dog seems to be royally disappointed at the Maemo 2010 plans13:42
timeless_mbpwe have plans?13:42
*** david__ has joined #maemo13:42
agitimeless_mbp: thanks, I couldn't find the 'add comment' :)13:43
RST38hSts: As developers all say that they "have no idea what Maemo6 will look like", the info sounds credible13:43
timeless_mbpagi: you probably forgot to log in13:43
agitimeless_mbp: nope, not that :)13:43
DangerMausoh geez13:43
timeless_mbpagi: there's a sizeable text area...13:44
StskeepsRST38h: it will be with comic sans and drawn in a cartoonish way, of course13:44
*** prusnak has quit IRC13:44
w00tStskeeps: you forgot the 'omgponies' theme13:44
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo13:44
agiaahhhhh now I see it, to obvious for me! :D13:44
agitimeless_mbp: thanks13:44
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo13:44
timeless_mbpagi: but please, don't add comments that aren't necessary13:44
DangerMausagi, top of list aditional comments and just below the  'commit' button]13:45
*** BBNS has quit IRC13:45
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS13:45
timeless_mbpDangerMaus: technically it depends on your configuration :)13:45
*** `0660 has quit IRC13:45
timeless_mbpfor me, the comment box is just above the most recent comment13:45
*** timeless_mbp has quit IRC13:45
agitimeless_mbp: ok, won't do13:45
DangerMausthat would be better13:45
DangerMaustimeless, is it a diff login from maemo,org?13:46
*** Londo has quit IRC13:46
*** Londo has joined #maemo13:47
*** Londi has joined #maemo13:47
DangerMaustimeless_mbp  is it a diff login from maemo,org?13:47
RST38hSts: Oh yesss13:48
*** _claesbas has quit IRC13:49
rrr__anyone here familiar with powervr sdk?13:50
*** hrw|gone is now known as hrw13:51
*** naice has joined #maemo13:51
*** _claesbas has joined #maemo13:51
*** The_Tall1 has joined #maemo13:51
StskeepsRST38h: that said, mixed with hello kitty, it would be a hit13:52
w00tStskeeps: you have now inspired my first wallpaper change in a long time13:52
w00ti hope you're happy.13:52
Stskeepsnot until i don't have to think about hip surgeries daily13:53
*** Dantonic has quit IRC13:53
*** BBNS has quit IRC13:53
*** Openfree has quit IRC13:54
*** BBNS has joined #maemo13:55
*** LuciusMare has joined #maemo13:55
*** setanta has joined #maemo13:55
*** BBNS has quit IRC13:56
*** mortenvp has joined #maemo13:56
*** ssvb has joined #maemo13:56
*** BBNS has joined #maemo13:57
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo13:57
*** hannesw_ has joined #maemo13:58
*** rsalveti_ has quit IRC13:58
*** xnt14 has quit IRC13:59
*** Termana has quit IRC13:59
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo14:00
*** BBNS has quit IRC14:00
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS14:00
*** goshawk_ has quit IRC14:02
*** anselmolsm has joined #maemo14:03
*** croppa_ has joined #maemo14:04
*** croppa has quit IRC14:04
* ccooke discovers (probably after everyone else) about the uk vodafone exclusive 14:04
*** mece_ has joined #maemo14:04
mece_hm ok. irssi seems nice.14:04
ccookemece_: recommended from here :-)14:05
* ccooke has been using irssi for some years now14:06
mece_my completely vanilla deb installed it to /usr/local, and it's not in the default path it appears.14:06
SpeedEvilccooke: ?14:07
plr_irssi is awesome14:07
ccookethis is on a tablet?14:07
mece_ccooke, ye14:07
Lupumece_: But ssh is. *grin* :D14:07
ccookemece_: which one?14:07
ccookeSpeedEvil: hmm?14:07
mece_ccooke, N90014:07
ccookemece_: oooh, where's the .deb?14:07
mece_ccooke, on my computer14:07
mece_ccooke, I just compiled it 5 minutes ago14:07
ccookeah, fair enough14:08
SpeedEvilccooke: vodafone14:08
ccookeSpeedEvil: oh.
ccookeSpeedEvil: note that I've only seen it there - it might not be true.14:08
ccookeOnly came across the story a few minutes ago14:08
mece_ccooke, and I didn't edit the control file or anything, so it's not "proper".14:08
RST38hSts: I especially like that Comic font idea =)14:09
*** LuciusMare has quit IRC14:09
*** LuciusMare has joined #maemo14:09
RST38hSts: Seriously, though, we do know a few things. The desktop will apparently become a huge 2D canvas with app windows all over14:09
RST38hSts: Not sure how useful that will be, but it was in the presentation14:10
LuciusMareI know this is an Off Topic,but nobody else on other channels could answer me - or they didnt even try14:10
SpeedEvilRST38h: insane14:10
hrwI HATE SBOX even more now14:10
SpeedEvilRST38h: Discrete desktops are pretty much mandatory14:10
LuciusMareWhat is wrong with this sudoers line? lucius ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/wminput - it still prompts me for password14:10
zaheermwere they app windows or applets?14:10
hrwyou guys are great - using such crap and getting something working14:11
*** mece_ has quit IRC14:11
RST38hSpeedEvil: I am also very sceptical on this :(14:11
SpeedEvilRST38h: And I've _used_ a large virtual desktop on a 640*480 display14:11
Stskeepshrw: i loathe sbox too but it pays decently off knowing a bit about it14:11
RST38hSpeedEvil: but there may be ways to make it work14:11
SpeedEvilRST38h: (though it was a few years ago now.)14:12
hrwStskeeps: sure14:12
*** mece_ has joined #maemo14:12
*** tulkastaldo has quit IRC14:13
plr_I'm stuck due to not knowing how to get samba installed on scratchbox..14:13
*** hannesw has quit IRC14:13
hrwplr_: what for?14:13
hrwplr_: sbox is not emulating device14:13
*** BBNS has quit IRC14:14
*** BBNS has joined #maemo14:14
plr_hrw: getting a share to work between windows and sbox in order to be able to do development there14:14
hrwplr_: sbox run in linux vm?14:15
plr_hrw: yes14:15
hrwplr_: install samba in linux vm not in sbox14:15
*** mece_ has quit IRC14:15
hrwplr_: then configure linuxvm to connect to windows share somewhere in /scratchbox/14:15
*** mikedg-blau has joined #maemo14:16
plr_hrw: hmm I think it has it installed14:16
hrwso configure it14:16
plr_hrw: the share connecting is done in the esbox automatically, cannot really configure it myself like that14:16
hrwplr_: never used esbox14:17
*** naice has quit IRC14:17
plr_oh wait, I guess it let's me choose the directory14:17
RST38hSpeedEvil: It may be possible to make this plan useful with dynamic scaling,, kinda like better Maemo5 task switcher14:19
RST38hSpeedEvil: I.e. you get an additional dimension of "height" above the desktop14:20
*** ezadkiel_mB has quit IRC14:20
hrwheh... I cannot develop my app for maemo5 ;(14:20
hrwno gstreamer-modplug built14:20
mikedg-blaubuild it on an n90014:20
SpeedEvilRST38h: yeah14:20
RST38hcompile it14:20
SpeedEvilRST38h: 4:3 FTW!14:20
hrwmikedg-blau: which n900?14:20
*** chenca has quit IRC14:20
mikedg-blauthe one in my pants14:21
SpeedEvilRST38h: also perhaps accellerometer scrolling.14:21
hrwmikedg-blau: it does not responds14:21
RST38hSpeed: kinetic, you mean?14:21
*** alexj has quit IRC14:21
*** alexj has joined #maemo14:21
*** gunni_ has joined #maemo14:22
zap_Does latest ke-recv from Nokia SVN work on Maemo 4, or it is Maemo 5 only?14:22
SpeedEvilRST38h: something like that.14:22
SpeedEvilRST38h: I'm unsure how well that'd work though14:22
Stskeepszap_: probably only on m514:23
RST38hSpeed: Just because it sounds cool, does not mean it will be usable14:23
zap_so its not backward compatible?14:23
Stskeepszap_: doubt it.14:23
*** zap_ is now known as zap14:23
RST38hAnyone with SDL knowledge?14:23
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo14:24
mecehowcome irssi is not in the erpository?14:24
*** BBNS has quit IRC14:24
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS14:24
SpeedEvilRST38h: yeah.14:24
SpeedEvilRST38h: Been through that with openmoko14:25
*** toggles_w has joined #maemo14:25
mikedg-blauanyone know old people with kindles, like 65+14:25
*** booiiing has quit IRC14:25
*** HuescaRed has joined #maemo14:28
plr_nice, qt 4.6 released14:28
DangerMausbut my pops thought better of it14:28
plr_with new version for maemo as well14:28
meceplr_, v. nice!14:29
*** |uben| has quit IRC14:29
*** Ryback_ has joined #maemo14:29
*** sjaensch has joined #maemo14:29
plr_also qt mobility api seems to be available too14:29
*** ifvoid has joined #maemo14:30
HuescaRedHi, I am trying to use displaylink with my nokia i810 but I can't get working the framebuffer, any idea?14:30
ifvoidI'm compiling a program for maemo14:30
ifvoidbut when I run it, I get "./nfb: relocation error: ./nfb: symbol powf, version GLIBCXX_3.4 not defined in file with link time reference"14:31
ifvoidanyone got an idea of how to solve that?14:31
*** penguinbait has quit IRC14:31
*** `0660 has joined #maemo14:31
*** mashiara_ has joined #maemo14:34
hrwhildon-home[7981]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib - g_parse_long_long: assertion `nptr != NULL' failed14:34
hrwthats normal?14:34
*** gunni has quit IRC14:35
*** prusnak has joined #maemo14:35
*** mashiara_ has quit IRC14:35
hrwor that: /usr/bin/make: relocation error: /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ symbol _dl_catch_error, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file with link time reference14:36
mikedg-blaudoes maemo support kindle14:37
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo14:37
hrwmikedg-blau: amazon kindle?14:37
*** BBNS has quit IRC14:37
SpeedEvilmikedg-blau: no14:37
SpeedEvilmikedg-blau: kindle is a program that they -amazon - would have to make available.14:37
*** BBNS has joined #maemo14:38
SpeedEvil(in addition to a device - if you're asking can I run maemo on my kindle - the answer is no)14:38
HuescaRedanybody has worked with displaylink?14:38
*** geaaru has joined #maemo14:42
hrwenough is enough14:43
hrwif even libtool does needs to be adapted to just build application then sbox is not for me14:43
derflibtool breaks almost everywhere.14:45
derfThis should not be a surprise.14:45
hrwderf: I am able to cross compile software for other platforms14:46
*** `0660_ has quit IRC14:46
hrwbut "./configure;make" failing on libtool? how Debian can get broken that much?14:46
konttori_work_noHi guys!14:49
*** BBNS has quit IRC14:49
konttori_work_nowe have a problem for SSU.14:49
konttori_work_nopython on the extras is not optified14:49
konttori_work_noand it's taking too much rootfs space14:49
*** BBNS has joined #maemo14:49
lizardokonttori_work_no: there is an optified version in extras-devel14:49
*** The_Tall1 has quit IRC14:50
konttori_work_nopython in extras-devel is optified. Does anybody know why not upload that to extras?14:50
lizardokonttori_work_no: but for some reason it is not getting automatically promoted :(14:50
konttori_work_nooh. Perhaps apps need to depend on specific version?14:50
RST38hkonttori: Because the guy who uploaded it to -devel is too lazy to promote it? =)14:50
lizardokonttori_work_no: it should have been automatically promoted to extras-testing already14:50
*** mardi__ has quit IRC14:50
*** The_Tall1 has joined #maemo14:50
lizardokonttori_work_no: I will ask on the list14:50
konttori_work_nolizardo, thanks14:50
konttori_work_noand we need to make it that apps update to using that asap14:50
lizardoRST38h: well, I uploaded it :P Niels requested dependencies to not be promoted manually to extras-testing14:51
konttori_work_noso that end users will also get upgraded to that one14:51
zaheermlizardo, you have to specifically promote it to testing i think14:51
lizardoand instead let application pull it from extras-devel14:51
RST38hlizardo: Ah! Well, can't wait for Niels...14:51
zaheermlizardo, aah. i get you :(14:51
* RST38h asks the Tentacled One to keep Niels out of harm's way. For now, anyway14:51
lizardozaheerm: well, that was not what I've been told :( it was working for previous version, but right now it seems the automatic promotion system is not working14:52
zaheermso someone needs to dep on the new python specifically :)14:52
RST38hlizardo: It cannot remain in -devel for long, really =(14:52
RST38hlizardo: Too much stuff depends on it, and it is too large for / anyway14:52
lizardozaheerm: I don't think so14:52
konttori_work_noI completely agree14:52
lizardozaheerm: there is something *very* broken with the automatic promotion system14:52
zaheermlizardo, maybe the next zoutube i promote to testing, i will specify minimum python version to be optified one14:52
zaheermlizardo, that should auto promote it...14:53
zaheermeven if it is not the intended way14:53
lizardozaheerm: please git it a try :)14:53
lizardozaheerm: but I think something else is broken14:53
*** booiiing has joined #maemo14:53
lizardozaheerm: for a couple of weeks I noticed no other new versions of any PyMaemo packages got automatically promoted as before14:54
lizardoanyway, time to send a e-mail to the list14:54
hrwI had to not report bugs before getting device but looks like DDP waits for maemo6 devices to be ready first so bug #6474 was added.14:54
povbotBug libqt4-dev ships symlink but do not depend on libphonon-dev package14:54
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo14:55
*** BBNS has quit IRC14:55
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS14:55
*** david__ has quit IRC14:57
*** DantonicN800 has quit IRC14:58
lizardomail sent to the list , lets hope it gets fixed ASAP14:58
*** DantonicN800 has joined #maemo14:59
*** tekojo has quit IRC14:59
*** chenca has joined #maemo15:01
*** asolsson has quit IRC15:01
HuescaRedanybody has worked with displaylink?15:03
*** zap has quit IRC15:04
*** BBNS has quit IRC15:04
*** BBNS has joined #maemo15:05
*** lardman|gone is now known as lardman15:06
derfMoo lardman.15:08
hrwlardman: what do you think?15:08
lcukhi lardman, theres a cunning plan underway to keep your fridge safe from bacon thieves15:09
lcukhey hrw thats cool15:09
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo15:09
lardmanhrw: the wonders of Qt! :)15:09
zaheermis the maemo5 calendar using eds or calendar-backend from maemo gitorious?15:09
lardmanhrw: needs more bling15:10
hrwlardman: needs lot of work15:11
lardmanderf: hey15:11
lardmanhrw: what's your goal?15:11
hrwlardman: anyway it will not be released for maemo5 in 2009 rather15:12
lardmanlcuk: what's that about fridges?15:12
*** rrr__ has quit IRC15:12
hrwlardman: read my blog15:12
lardmanBy Your Command15:12
lcuklardman, see stskeeps and lbt they have a cunning plan to safeguard your bacon15:13
lbthow do I screenshot an app on N900 ?15:13
hrwlardman: shift-ctrl-p?15:13
*** timeless_mbp has joined #maemo15:13
plr_ctrl-shift-p was it?15:13
* lbt has 3 screenshots now :)15:13
plr_there is also an app that adds an icon for it in the status menu15:14
hrwfood time15:14
*** hrw is now known as hrw|afk15:14
plr_lbt :)15:14
lardmanhrw|afk: sorry was trying to work out what lcuk's on about :)15:15
lbtOK  I do like the 'share piccy' thing.... that's nice15:15
*** asolsson has joined #maemo15:15
lardmanlcuk: bit slow today, what are you talking about>?!15:15
lcukdont worry15:15
* lardman descends back into his sore throat induced stupor15:16
Stskeepslardman: o2 joggler at 99 quid15:16
Venomrushjoggler is a joke15:16
Khertan <---- Still require some testers or vote !15:17
lbtnot with Mer on it Venomrush15:17
lbtit's fully hackable15:17
lardmanah I see15:17
Venomrushwhat can you do after hack15:17
lardmanlooks cool15:17
StskeepsVenomrush: run linux os of choice?15:17
lbtVenomrush: xterm15:18
lbtwhat more is there in life?15:18
Venomrushdoes it have good specs tho?15:18
*** t_s_o has quit IRC15:19
*** BBNS has quit IRC15:19
Stskeeps1.33ghz, 512m, usb host, wlan and eth15:19
lardmanhw accel?15:19
Stskeeps7" 800x48015:19
Stskeepslardman: intel gl15:19
*** BBNS has joined #maemo15:19
lardmanno audio at work15:21
*** mece has quit IRC15:21
Stskeepsno need for it15:21
lardmanmmmm, >300fps15:21
*** Jaffa has joined #maemo15:22
Jaffaaf'noon, all15:22
*** danilocesar has joined #maemo15:22
lardmanhey Jaffa15:22
*** GNUton-BNC is now known as gnuton15:23
*** user_ has joined #maemo15:23
*** user_ is now known as detective15:23
lardmanlooks cool15:23
*** Meizirkki has joined #maemo15:23
detectivehey! good evening :D15:23
lardmanso it has an xterm? or is flashable somehow?15:24
lardmanor is it already running Mer? ;)15:24
Stskeepslardman: runs mer already, has a efi bootloader15:24
* Jaffa mutters about community discussions spread over 3 places15:24
detectivei love you all and maemo :)15:25
* lardman puts his back to the wall15:25
lardmanhello detective15:25
* lardman wonders about intercepting the TrafficMaster info15:26
lardmanthat would be reason enough to buy it15:26
*** elseayoukay has joined #maemo15:27
lcukJaffa, it will happen, did you see my suggestion anywhere to try but only showing the thanks posts within a thread.15:29
lcukto see how a moderated version would look15:29
*** |dl9pf| has joined #maemo15:29
lardmanjust remove tmo from the karma calc ;)15:29
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo15:29
Jaffalcuk: heh15:29
*** BBNS has quit IRC15:30
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS15:30
lcuk:D wow it works15:30
lcukjust not for lardman15:30
*** mikkov has joined #maemo15:30
* Jaffa gets annoyed when someone (Quim in this case) cuts off a discussion with "you're repeating what's been discussed in brainstorm and tmo", when -community is the obviously superior place since it's followed by bergie et al15:31
lardmanand since most of us can't be arsed to follow 40-odd pages of >90% waffle in TMO anyway ;)15:31
*** papo has joined #maemo15:31
lardmanso what do do?15:31
guardianwith maemo 5, is GTK still used?15:32
guardianbut applications will be able to use Qt?15:32
guardianat least it's how i understood it15:32
lardmanthey are able to do so, yes15:32
mikhasguardian, there is #qt-maemo15:32
lardmanbut then they are also able in Diablo15:32
lardmanmikhas: really?15:33
mikhasthe topic links will answer most of your questions already15:33
Jaffalardman: ..and I'm still not convinced about Brainstorm being anything other than the idiocy of crowds (perhaps other Brainstorms are better, but the concept seems so useless)15:33
lardmanJaffa: I never look at it15:33
guardiani'm about to revamp an input method module for maemo that i coded with GTK back in time, am I better off continuing using GTK for this purpose?15:33
lardmanseems to me to be some sort of forum, and why do we need another?15:33
*** BBNS has quit IRC15:34
mikhasguardian, if your app is GTK, then continue using GTK, it is only small changes15:34
lardmanguardian: probably as we don;'t know what the input framework looks like for Qt do we?15:34
*** BBNS has joined #maemo15:34
mikhas*if* it is only small changes, I mean15:34
*** geaaru has quit IRC15:34
mikhasonly switch to qt if you intend a full port anyway15:34
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo15:34
Stskeepsguardian: yes, if it's HIM15:35
*** fluff is now known as fluff|afk15:35
guardianlardman: i don't know either what the input framework looks like for Qt -- i wasn't sure maemo 5 was built around hildon, it has been a long time since i didn't really follow what's going on with maemo :/15:35
Jaffalardman: It's a forum with limited replies, voting on unimplementable solutions and no ability to edit solutions as ideas progress (crucial in a real brainstorm), discussion (crucial in a real brainstorm), consensus building (...) and the recognition of who is the expert (...)15:35
PolarFoxmmmh... Does anyone know why apt repo doesn't include all files?15:36
lardmanJaffa: in which case I'm glad I ignore it15:36
*** geaaru has joined #maemo15:36
PolarFoxubuntu repo that is ;)15:36
PolarFoxmaemo-sdk deb is missing for example :)15:36
*** mikedg-blau has left #maemo15:36
Jaffalardman: Indeed. WHich is why I ignore it too.15:36
lardmanAnyway, back to the important things, the Joggler, which is apparently a rebranded Openpeak device15:37
guardianand to newcomers to the maemo platform, wanting to code an app from scratch? what do you suggest here? go GTK or go Qt?15:37
lardmanopenpeak also do an opentablet, which looks cool15:37
lardmanthough are they just a design house or somesuch?15:37
Jaffaguardian: Gtk for now, although there's been a new version of Qt announced today.15:37
lardmanStskeeps: ok15:38
lardmanStskeeps: I like the Joggler, but would be better not tired to a socket15:38
Stskeepsit is a different device but still nice :)15:38
guardianJaffa: thx for your opinion15:38
JaffaJoggler's similar to a slimmer Chumby15:38
PolarFoxonion_: Come on... help me out here ;)15:39
Jaffaguardian: np15:39
Stskeepsjoggler's 7"15:39
guardianJaffa: today's Qt announcement is precisely what made me think about my old maemo devs again :)15:39
*** LuciusMare has quit IRC15:39
lardmanwas there an announcement today then?15:39
Jaffaguardian: Qt's still in flux, whereas Gtk/Hildon is mature15:39
*** rabbitear has quit IRC15:39
Jaffalardman: New Qt 4.6 IIRC15:39
mikhasguardian, link?15:40
*** BBNS has quit IRC15:40
lardmanok, the one Maemo 6 will use?15:40
Jaffamikhas: I saw it on pmo/Twitter15:40
guardianJaffa: but GTK doesn't compete with Qt when it's about the new animation features etc it seems -- if I had to stay with GTK then I would use clutter15:40
Jaffalardman: yup15:41
guardianmikhas: link to?15:41
mikhasah ok15:41
*** BBNS has joined #maemo15:41
lardmananyone got the url of the announcement, or was it a gitorious thing?15:41
*** jayabharath has joined #maemo15:41
guardianlardman: it's on the Qt blog15:42
RST38h<YAWN> What? Where? What announcement?15:42
*** asolsson has quit IRC15:42
guardianmikhas: was it the link to the announcement that you wanted?15:43
*** blade_runner has joined #maemo15:43
lardmanthanks chaps15:44
*** bbee has quit IRC15:44
dnearyanyone here have any insights into stuff which should go onto a "Creating digital media with Maemo" wiki page?15:44
RST38hdneary: "Camera still sucks in anything but bright sunlight"15:45
lardmanRST38h: camera or autofocus?15:45
lardmanworks for me15:45
dnearyI need links to things like taking & sharing photos, using the phone as a drawing tablet, taking video, video editing if that exists, transcoding & streaming, using the TV Out15:45
lardmanhey dneary15:45
dnearyRecording audio, making podcasts, anything like that15:45
RST38hlardman: Camera15:45
lcukdneary, i think you should put some digital media into the wiki page about "creating digital media with maemo"15:45
* lcuk is seeing content creation happen every minute15:46
zaheermmostly in shipping threads ;)15:46
lcuklol thats entropy15:47
Jaffazaheerm: "content"?!15:47
* Jaffa swims15:47
lcukdneary, wiki is itself digital media15:47
zaheermJaffa, i never said good content :)15:47
dnearylcuk, Happy to! Do you know how to embed YouTube or Vimeo video in a wiki page?15:47
lcukcontent creation on the go15:47
lcukdont know if you can dneary15:47
lcukbut digital media doesnt have to be complex15:47
lcukits as simple as ascii text15:47
dnearylcuk, I'm aiming for beginner material15:47
dnearyIt seems to me that all the wiki docs so far have been to answer the question "how can I make my N900 do what it wasn't designed to do?" and not so much "What can I do with my N900?"15:48
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo15:48
*** BBNS has quit IRC15:49
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS15:49
dnearylcuk, If you don't mind, I'd like to limit the page to audio, video, graphics and perhaps rich text?15:49
lcukthen you are missing one of the most vibrant parts of content on the n900.  conversations and text messages.  the written word is one of our finest forms of communication15:50
toggles_ware any suppliers shipping reliably in the US aside from possibly nokia?15:50
lcukpeople use n900 now to send hundreds of messages to loved ones and friends every day15:51
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo15:51
lcukif thats not using it now for what it needs i dont know what is15:51
hrw|afklardman: readed?15:51
*** jebbajeb1 has quit IRC15:52
*** jebbajeb has joined #maemo15:54
DangerMaustoggles_w, i ordered yesterday from nokiausa and it will be in muy hands by 3pm today  as far as others i hear horror stories15:54
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC15:54
DangerMausand seem to still be stuck on preorders or not selling atm15:54
Khertan <---- Still require some testers or vote !15:55
RST38hdneary: "What can I do" thing should be answered in the user' smanual, no?15:55
toggles_wDangerMaus: thanks mate, website or phone?15:55
DangerMauswebsite and took 1-3 day delivery15:56
toggles_wDangerMaus: thanks again!15:56
DangerMausbut they say phone  prob the same15:56
*** kwek has quit IRC15:56
*** asolsson has joined #maemo15:57
hrw|afk~curse Harald Fernengel for crappy qt packages15:57
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Harald Fernengel for crappy qt packages !15:57
*** hrw|afk is now known as hrw15:57
DangerMausif you credit card messes up on the site they have the credit card security set realy high15:57
toggles_wDangerMaus: one more q, is there the $50 rebate with that?15:57
DangerMausi didnt see it on the nokia site  but at this point i didnt care i just didnt want to wait till 2010 or end of the month15:58
toggles_wok, thanks15:58
dnearyRST38h, Except we're getting lots of people asking "what can I do?" questions15:58
DangerMausqwe will see if there is anything in the box15:58
dnearyOr, not finding answers to simple stuff like "how can I record video?"15:58
yannj_frKhertan : one more vote for PyGTKEditor...15:58
dnearyFor example, me15:58
Khertanyannj_fr: thanks !15:59
Lynouredneary: that took some wondering at Maemo summit already :)15:59
DangerMaustoggles_w, only issue is if they have a store in your state like here the'll hit you for tax15:59
Lynourethe GUI is not always the most intuitive.15:59
dnearyLynoure, My point exactly15:59
dnearyIt's something I bet we all struggled with first time, and yet no-one's written a nice little tutorial yet15:59
Lynouredneary: I have not yet figured out how to use the front camera =)15:59
LynoureNot that I have tried very hard.15:59
dnearyLynoure, Normally, it's as easy as "open the lens"16:00
toggles_wDangerMaus: in pa, don't thinks sp16:00
dnearyLynoure, And the camera app starts up on its own16:00
Lynouredneary: front camera has nothing to open16:00
zaheermdneary, he means the front one not the back one :)16:00
Lynouredneary: only the back one.16:00
*** mfinkle_ has joined #maemo16:00
Lynourezaheerm: she, but yeah :)16:00
*** fiferboy has joined #maemo16:00
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo16:01
hrwoptifying maemo5 can result in nicely fucked system...16:01
*** mfinkle__ has joined #maemo16:01
zaheermLynoure, gst-launch v4l2camsrc ! ffmpegcolorspace ! videoscale ! xvimagesink :)16:01
*** BBNS has quit IRC16:01
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS16:01
hrwhaving 11 versions of libsqlite3 for example16:01
zaheermLynoure, sorry about that :)16:01
zaheermLynoure, you can also install the mirror app which i think is in extras-testing16:01
Lynourezaheerm: heh :)16:01
ccookehrw: ugh. how did that happen?16:01
ccookeit really shouldn't do that...16:01
*** rsalveti has quit IRC16:02
hrwccooke: my maemosdk has now two libphonon libraries16:02
hrwtwo Qt libraries16:02
Lynourezaheerm: does it allow actual taking of photos as well? Or just, you know, mirroring?16:02
hrwand all that from official repositories (extras/extras-devel)16:02
dnearyzaheerm, The one with the lens is on the front16:02
hrwccooke: "apt-get install libqt4-dev libqt4-maemo5-dev"16:02
dnearyzaheerm, The big screen is on the back16:02
zaheermLynoure, at the moment it doesn't seem worth taking a photo with the front camera...16:03
fiferboyhrw:  Those qt libraries can be used at the same time16:03
zaheermdneary, depends on your orientation ;)16:03
* rEv9 finally got his N900 <316:03
dnearyWhy do I have front & back differently to you?16:03
dnearyWhen I'm taking a picture, I'm behind the camera, not in front of it, no?16:03
lardmanwhy not little & large?16:03
Lynourezaheerm: for selfportrait, in order to add an image to an IM. (gosh, this sounds much more girly than I am)16:03
lardmanLynoure: lol16:04
zaheermwhen i use the phone, i usually have the screen as the front :)16:04
dnearyzaheerm, But when you're taking pictures, it's not a phone is it?16:04
zaheermLynoure, it is doable but the quality currently is really bad16:04
hrwfiferboy: sure, either can 11 copies of libsqlite316:04
zaheermdneary, yes but when referring to parts on the phone, you're at the time not taking a picture :)16:05
fiferboyhrw: True.  And at least one of those sqlite3 libraries seems messed up16:05
*** BBNS has quit IRC16:05
* tru want it's N900 as well.16:05
fiferboyThe one for qt 4.5 gives me weird column orders sometimes.  The 4.6 one has worked well so far16:05
*** kwek has joined #maemo16:06
Venomrushthe Recording app uses WAV16:06
hrwtru: I want maemo6 device to be released. maybe this will free some n900s for ddp16:06
*** BBNS has joined #maemo16:06
Venomrushwhat the audio format of the recording from the video?16:06
truhrw: hehe.16:06
hrwfiferboy: so far it looks like my app works with qt4.5 packages and fails with qt4.6 ones (works with any on desktop)16:06
hrwfiferboy: time to wait for device and develop only for desktop for now16:07
*** hardaker2 has joined #maemo16:07
*** BBNS has quit IRC16:07
fiferboyhrw: Do you know what the issue with 4.6 is?  I had to change where I initialized my resource file to get it to work16:07
*** mfinkle_ has quit IRC16:07
*** |dl9pf| has quit IRC16:08
*** BBNS has joined #maemo16:08
dnearyzaheerm, Camera lenses are parts of the camera, though :)16:08
dnearyAnyway - let's not fight16:08
zaheermdneary, agreed, very not worth the argument ;)16:09
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]16:09
dnearyLet's agree to call the small camera for Skype the back camera16:09
*** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s16:09
lardmanSub/Multi-megapixel camera16:09
hrwfiferboy: no, I do not know. I know that sqliteDB does not work out of box16:09
sp3000user-facing :)16:09
sp3000well, unless the user turns the thing around, but, hey16:10
*** BBNS has quit IRC16:10
fiferboyhrw: Hmm, that is strange.  I have had a better experience with 4.6 sqlite.16:10
Lynourelardman: actually, even then.16:10
andre__is the wiki down or is it just me?16:10
fiferboyhrw: libqt4-maemo5-sql-sqlite is installed I assume?16:10
*** BBNS has joined #maemo16:10
Lynourelardman: or, well, depends what you call your "self" =)16:10
* lardman goes back to big/little multi/sub megapixel16:11
VenomrushNokia got in trouble with Nintendo for showing off SNES on the N900 -
sp3000what if you're taking pictures of other users?16:11
Lynouremain and auxiliary, for me.16:12
hrwfiferboy: now yes16:12
SpeedEvilYou can plug in a new camera in principle.16:12
SpeedEvil(if you could find an alternative with compatible footprint and size)16:13
hrwexport PATH=/opt/something:/opt/other/:/opt/yetanother:/opt/thisonetoo:/opt/and/do/not/forget/about/me:$PATH16:13
SpeedEvilIt's a removable (main) camera16:13
Stskeepshrw: you shouldn't have to use /opt in paths at all?16:13
*** mfinkle has quit IRC16:13
*** mfinkle__ is now known as mfinkle16:13
andre__ah. works again.16:13
Stskeepsit symlinks from /usr/whatever into /opt/somewhere16:13
*** goshawk has joined #maemo16:13
hrwStskeeps: tell that to Qt4-maemo5 maintainer16:13
*** bbee has joined #maemo16:13
andre__bug 6474, eh?16:14
povbotBug libqt4-dev ships symlink but do not depend on libphonon-dev package16:14
Stskeepshrw: don't tell me he did a /configure --prefix=/opt?16:14
*** kalikianatoli has joined #maemo16:14
lopzhi ;]16:14
hrwStskeeps: did not looked at it16:14
suihkulokkipst. at #qt-maemo one is more likely to get better maemo qt advice16:14
hrwandre__: should be new bug but I am lazy16:15
*** juliank has joined #maemo16:15
StskeepsVenomrush: the difference is the kontorri did that in his free time..16:15
hrw - qt 4.5, - qt 4.616:15
*** calvaris_ has joined #maemo16:17
Stskeeps4.5 is the community one and 4.6 is the 'official' one?16:17
*** calvaris has quit IRC16:17
fiferboyStskeeps: Yes16:17
plr_Stskeeps: yes16:17
*** calvaris_ has quit IRC16:17
fiferboyIt is bizarre that I have the opposite problem of hrw, with 4.6 having better sqlite (on the device)16:18
Lynourehrw: Hey you. Obviously you poke around with maemo and qt, what would you recommend as a tutorial/starting point for getting into that?16:19
hrwfiferboy: after installing it by hand it works16:19
*** zaheerm-lp has joined #maemo16:19
hrwLynoure: 1. forget about maemo, develop on your desktop. 2. use Qt-Designer for UI work. 3. test on maemo only when it works and you want to adapt UI16:20
*** qwerty12 has joined #maemo16:20
hrwLynoure: otherwise you will loose lot of time16:20
* timeless_mbp sighs16:20
timeless_mbpso there are all sorts of funnies in this map16:20
mikhasLynoure, I'd recommend the maemo examples in the x11-maemo repo:
Lynouretimeless_mbp: hmm?16:20
timeless_mbpLynoure: open the clock app16:21
timeless_mbptap on world time16:21
timeless_mbptap add16:21
timeless_mbptap the magnifier16:21
timeless_mbpenter 'kanton'16:21
timeless_mbp(if you aren't using enus/enus1/engb/engb1, then fix your locale first...)16:21
timeless_mbpread the time zone16:21
timeless_mbptap done16:21
timeless_mbplook at the map16:21
timeless_mbpget back to me16:22
Lynouretimeless_mbp: east of Australia16:22
timeless_mbpand what time zone?16:22
Lynouretimeless_mbp: for me it says -7 in both cases.16:24
timeless_mbpok, where is -7 on a map?16:24
*** herz1 has quit IRC16:25
Lynouretimeless_mbp: not very far, and I have no idea what zone they actually use there.16:26
timeless_mbpis here near australia?16:26
*** thiago has joined #maemo16:27
lardmanIs Adelaide's timezone now included?16:27
thiagomy N900 cannot resolve any hostname, even though it's connected to the wireless and I can ping the DNS servers16:27
lardman8.5h or somesuch16:27
*** BBNS has quit IRC16:27
thiagoI can confirm from another machine that the DNS servers are working16:28
*** BBNS has joined #maemo16:28
timeless_mbplardman: i'm going to post a script and maps for comparison16:28
Lynouretimeless_mbp: reasonably, yeah, -8 for Pitcairn is closer, though.16:28
Stskeepsthiago: i have a router that corrupts my DNS packets16:28
timeless_mbpLynoure: um16:28
timeless_mbp-7 is somewhere in the USA16:28
thiagoStskeeps: it's not the router16:28
thiagoStskeeps: it's dnsmasq somehow16:28
*** kalikiana has quit IRC16:29
*** sopi has joined #maemo16:29
Lynouretimeless_mbp: timezones seem weirder than I realize, I had no idea there was GMT+14 or GMT+13:4516:29
*** sopi is now known as feri16:29
timeless_mbptimezones are fun16:29
timeless_mbpbut getting timezones right is important16:29
Lynoureanything with abs > 12 seems suspect.16:29
timeless_mbpand sticking guam in the continental us16:29
timeless_mbpor confusing the continental us (phoenix, AZ) with the pacific (phoenix islands)16:30
timeless_mbpis a problem16:30
timeless_mbpanyway, lemme push this so people can play16:30
*** calvaris has joined #maemo16:31
Lynourehrw, mikhas: thanks.16:31
*** kwek has quit IRC16:32
hrwLynoure: maemoization of application is mostly UI related so you can leave it for end of work16:32
*** viggi_ is now known as viggi16:33
*** kwek has joined #maemo16:33
*** mece has joined #maemo16:33
VDVsxAnnouncement: December sprint meeting is about to start at #maemo-meeting16:34
*** trbs has joined #maemo16:34
Lynourehrw: my problem is that the app is a tad complex and I'll want to have some preliminary versions on the device so that I can use some parts of it before the whole thing is done. Is that doomed?16:35
thiagohow does dnsmasq work?16:35
timeless_mbpthat's the map that shipped w/ the n90016:35
timeless_mbpand the data it had16:35
hrwLynoure: not doomed16:37
hrwLynoure: maemo5 part of work is mostly adapting UI to very small resolution16:37
*** maexmo has quit IRC16:37
*** lopz has quit IRC16:38
RST38hiPhone fans vindicated:
*** lopz has joined #maemo16:38
hrwLynoure: as you have space just for few widgets on screen at same time16:38
timeless_mbpfor people curious about timezones16:38
*** tbf is now known as tbf|afk16:39
*** dimir has quit IRC16:39
*** javispedro has joined #maemo16:39
* thiago is really lost about this DNS problem16:39
* Flandry yawns16:39
thiagotcpdump available for fremantle?16:39
thiagoor strace?16:40
*** serenity has joined #maemo16:40
*** Erod has joined #maemo16:40
FlandryAnyone want to b0rk their N900 testing my accelerometer joystick driver?16:40
* javispedro notes that there's a light rail that connects his uni and where the maebar is being hosted literally door to door16:40
serenityanyone an idea how to prevent xyphyr to use ctrl+shift to keep focus?16:40
* Flandry is jealous16:41
*** juliank has quit IRC16:43
kalikianatoliFlandry, how do you implement fire buttons with an accelerometer?16:43
timeless_mbpthiago: strace is in tools iirc16:43
kalikianatolior do you rely on the touch screen for that?16:43
Flandryi haven't done that16:43
Flandryso far it's just a  2-axis16:43
Flandryi intend to capture proximity sensor and maybe camera button in future16:44
* timeless_mbp sighs16:44
kalikianatoliI would be interested in an accelerometer joystick if it could do buttons, since that's what easily becomes awkward if you have to hit certain keys16:44
Flandryand also gestures16:44
timeless_mbpCan someone here point to Caracas, Venezuela?16:44
* Flandry points south16:45
Flandrywell if you don't have to use arrow keys, hitting a key for buttons is much less onerous16:45
* papo points west16:46
Flandrythe current app has enter and left shift as buttons16:46
Flandryand space16:46
thiagotimeless_mbp: unfortunatelly I can't install anything until I solve the DNS problem16:46
kalikianatoliFlandry, buttons aside, is it an app or can it be used on existing games?16:47
Flandryit's currently bundled with uqm but it's a general solution for games that use the joystick port because it emulates one16:47
*** dimir has joined #maemo16:47
javispedrois this the one using uinput?16:47
*** hexa has quit IRC16:48
kalikianatoliFlandry, then I'd like to try it if you put it somewhere16:48
Flandryfor now it's just part of the default control scheme for uqm. Once it gets debugged there i'll probably make it into a package of its own16:49
*** `0660_ has joined #maemo16:49
Flandryneed to make sure it can even install right still :)16:49
*** detective has quit IRC16:50
*** kwek has quit IRC16:51
Flandrythe problem with testing it is that scratchbox only goes so far at emulating a system16:53
*** user_ has joined #maemo16:53
*** kwek has joined #maemo16:53
*** gadgetoid has joined #Maemo16:53
*** juliank has joined #maemo16:53
javispedroscratchbox, emulate what?16:53
*** pablo_ has joined #maemo16:53
*** HuescaRed has quit IRC16:53
Flandrymeh you know what i mean16:53
kalikianatoliFlandry, you don't have a device?16:53
javispedroit's not an emulator.16:53
*** BBNS has quit IRC16:54
javispedroif you are injecting events in uinput, you are injecting them ON YOUR HOST SYSTEM...16:54
pablo_Where i find packages MySql for Maemo ??16:54
thiagotimeless_mbp: got it, thanks16:54
Flandryyes, which has separate udev rules, for example, than scratchbox env16:54
*** thiago has left #maemo16:54
javispedroexactly :)16:54
*** BBNS has joined #maemo16:54
Flandryand different user groups16:55
*** tank-man has joined #maemo16:55
kalikianatolipablo_, apt-cache search mysql16:55
javispedroah, slashdot got "The Great Emu Mess" story.16:56
*** user_ has quit IRC16:56
Flandryi set the joystick bindings in uqm by feeding specific values to the dummy accelerometer file16:57
FlandryIt does work, i just don't know if the current deb will install correctly on an n90016:57
kalikianatoliFlandry, you can give me a .deb and I can test it16:58
*** zenvoid has joined #maemo16:58
Flandryit's on extras-devel16:58
Flandryplease do :)16:58
wazd~seen fiferboy16:58
kalikianatoliah, I thought you had a different package that's not in devel16:58
infobotfiferboy is currently on #maemo (58m). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 40m 45s, last said: 'It is bizarre that I have the opposite problem of hrw, with 4.6 having better sqlite (on the device)'.16:58
kalikianatoliI'll check the one in devel in a minute16:59
wazdohoh :)16:59
wazdfiferboy: heya :)16:59
wazdand hello all btw :)16:59
Flandryhi wazd16:59
fiferboyhi wazd16:59
fiferboywazd: How's it going?16:59
qwerty12Hiya, wazd16:59
* qwerty12 waves at zenvoid 16:59
wazdfiferboy: fine, where have you been? :)17:00
wazdfiferboy: congrats with new Olmsted in your family btw :)17:00
*** BBNS has quit IRC17:00
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo17:00
*** tekojo has joined #maemo17:00
timeless_mbpFlandry / papo : ask the world clock :)17:00
fiferboywazd: Thanks.  Yeah, I've been a bit busy lately :)17:00
wazdfiferboy: yeah, same for me17:01
* Shapeshifter has seen an n900 poster in the city today17:01
papotimeless_mbp: well you know... I'm still waiting for the device :)17:02
javispedroStskeeps: ouch!17:03
javispedroStskeeps: 4_4_4_4 DOES require packed_pixels!17:03
Stskeepsjavispedro: feel free to comment17:03
*** calvaris has quit IRC17:03
javispedroi see there was activity on the bug17:04
*** BBNS_ has quit IRC17:04
*** BBNS has joined #maemo17:04
* javispedro can read where from his original post it could be induced that 4_4_4_4 came with GL 1.2.. sorry17:04
Flandryhey cool, so no more blue<->red in SDL in SDK?17:06
*** BBNS has quit IRC17:06
*** BBNS has joined #maemo17:06
javispedrohopefully :)17:06
*** rmoravcik has quit IRC17:07
* w00t notes that lcuk must be addicted to tmo17:07
*** rmoravcik has joined #maemo17:07
lcukmmm w00t ?17:07
w00tI'm seeing you lurking in just about every thread I'm reading on there. :P17:07
*** `0660 has quit IRC17:07
Klowneraaaah, it's 30mins away at the fedex facility17:08
lcukyou shouldnt17:08
qwerty12That just means one of you is a stalker17:08
lcukim not onany atm17:08
lcukbut i watch the vaispy17:08
lcukso i see posts as they happen on all topics17:08
w00tqwerty12: I'm no stalker, I just happen to like standing outside your window17:09
qwerty12Ah, OK, not so worried anymore :-)17:09
* w00t licks qwerty12's window longingly17:09
* Flandry wonders why w00t is stalking lcuk AND qwerty1217:10
* qwerty12 sprays H1N1 on his window17:10
lcukw00t, this is the page i use
* w00t looks shifty17:10
lcukw00t stalks everyone17:10
w00tlcuk: woah.17:10
* lcuk curses his n90017:10
* w00t bookmarks17:10
Flandryhey cool17:11
lcukyeah, so thats how i appear to be stalking without actually doing much17:11
Flandrythat's new to me tto17:11
lcukif a thread takes my fancy i click17:11
javispedrolcuk has liqtmo which automatically reads all threads for him then proceeds to digest the interesting stuff :)17:11
qwerty12Talk is funny, actually. If you're not logged in and click on someone's profile, you can see what they're doing, but if you are logged in, you can't...17:11
lcuknahh javispedro i have irc to do that17:12
lcuksomeone inevitably complains about a thread or other17:12
javispedrotouché :)17:12
w00tqwerty12: just like people not making sense off talk complain about people on talk not making sense17:12
* Flandry suspects that the Grand Unified Theory is also found somewhere on m.o. if he just knew how to find it.17:12
* w00t ducks and runs17:12
*** BBNS has quit IRC17:12
w00tI suspect I didn't actually make sense with that comment17:12
w00toh, the irony :(17:12
qwerty12No comment17:12
* w00t grmbl17:12
*** BBNS has joined #maemo17:13
javispedroStskeeps: :P seems that indeed 4_4_4_4 comes with packed pixels too, so I will shut up and thank you :)17:13
javispedros/packed pixels/1.2 err...17:13
SpeedEvilIs there a way to have the thumbnails of pages on the desktop be semi-live?17:13
SpeedEvilFor example - I'd like a page - which updates every 4 hours.17:13
lcukSpeedEvil, you mean like a government minister?17:13
Flandryyou mean zombie-like?17:13
SpeedEvilBut I don't want the browser footprint for the whole time17:14
SpeedEvil(weather page)17:14
lcuksurprisingly has nifty things to do that for you17:14
Flandryit's called a widget i think17:14
SpeedEvilWhat's omweathers data source?17:14
*** choppa has quit IRC17:14
lcukmother nature i believe17:14
qwerty12lcuk's weather machine17:15
* SpeedEvil covers lcuk in golden syrup, and places him on an anthill in brazil.17:15
qwerty12But as it's in the North, it's always set to "rain"17:15
lcukstop highlighting me anyway im trying to flash device17:15
* lcuk is wearing a mac17:15
dnearyanyone else think that gcobb's fart application is a sure-fire winner?17:15
qwerty12lcuk: Why are you flashing the device?17:15
javispedrowe have a fart app already?17:16
javispedrothat makes two!17:16
qwerty12dneary: Only if he includes a goatse picture to go with it17:16
wazdfiferboy: I have another idea for clock applet17:16
*** brolin has joined #maemo17:16
wazdfiferboy: we should have one more layer in front of all17:16
qwerty12Now I'm tempted to write a fart app with a goatse picture...17:16
wazdfiferboy: for "glass" effect for example17:16
fiferboywazd: Sounds reasonable17:16
lcukoh crap thanks wazd, you just reminded me of something i have to remove17:17
SpeedEvilqwerty12: Clearly it should be a transition effect.17:17
wazdlcuk: np :D17:17
qwerty12SpeedEvil: Like having the app expand from the middle17:17
SpeedEvilqwerty12: Every new window, a pair of hands come in from screen left and right, and open the window - morphed into a circular shape until it approaches the size of the screen as the hands stretch it, finishing off rectangular, and dissapearing off the edges.17:18
v2px_reminds me of goatse17:18
lcukSpeedEvil, you have clearly been investigating goatse far too closely17:18
lcukhowever did i miss the fact he was actually a cleverly disguised window manager17:19
*** DangerMaus has quit IRC17:19
dmj7261I was comparing the n900 to another music player on Saturday...17:20
*** edgar2 has joined #maemo17:20
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]17:20 didn't hold up17:20
*** serenity has left #maemo17:20
SpeedEvillcuk: I investigated, and it sucks - comparatively.17:20
lcuki really want a big butto non omweather "WRONG!" so when i look out the window and see what its actually doing i can click it and send real info17:21
dmj7261of course the other music player was a symphony orchestra :P17:21
*** kwek has quit IRC17:22
*** _marcell_ has quit IRC17:22
*** kwek has joined #maemo17:22
*** thopiekar has joined #maemo17:23
Flandrylcuk: that would be awesome17:23
zaheermlcuk, that'd be great, it was 1 degrees C this morning, omweather said 7 :)17:23
SpeedEvil - I find much more accurate17:24
* lcuk nods 17:24
*** kwek has quit IRC17:24
*** BBNS has quit IRC17:24
*** BBNS has joined #maemo17:24
*** matt_c has joined #maemo17:24
zaheermSpeedEvil, i hope not, i platy footy tonight and it says rain and 3 degrees c for london :(17:24
lcukSpeedEvil, surprisingly, i find the glenrothes weather maps to be more accurate for manchester too, thanks for the tip17:25
kalikianatoliFlandry, seems like the repo is partly down, I'll try it later in the evening17:25
*** kwek has joined #maemo17:25
SpeedEvil I like the fact they also do XML17:26
*** kwek has quit IRC17:26
Flandrykalikianatoli: typical. Thanks and let me know what happens.17:26
*** kwek has joined #maemo17:26
*** hannesw__ has joined #maemo17:26
*** asolsson has quit IRC17:26
*** hrw is now known as hrw|gone17:29
*** gnuton is now known as GNUton-BNC17:32
*** Sho_ has joined #maemo17:32
*** promulo has joined #maemo17:33
*** javispedro has quit IRC17:38
*** aakashd has joined #maemo17:38
*** BBNS has quit IRC17:38
*** BBNS has joined #maemo17:38
*** yannj has joined #maemo17:38
*** zs has joined #maemo17:39
*** lardman is now known as lardman|gone17:39
*** bergie has quit IRC17:40
*** hannesw_ has quit IRC17:42
*** user_ has joined #maemo17:42
*** Khertan has quit IRC17:42
* Jaffa has kicked off another "ML better than tmo" rant sub-thread. Oops17:42
Jaffaand a suggestion by Texrat that we're in a decision-making impasse.17:43
*** gadgetoid has quit IRC17:44
*** user_ has quit IRC17:44
*** DangerMaus has joined #maemo17:46
DocScrutinizerN900 performs rather decent, afaict after 20h :-)17:46
ccookeJaffa: ML?17:47
Jaffaccooke: mailing lists17:47
*** mikhas has quit IRC17:48
* Jaffa particularly fond of when he's sat in Center Parcs for 4 mins on a seat with free wifi17:48
*** elseayoukay has quit IRC17:48
*** danielwilms has left #maemo17:48
*** elseayoukay has joined #maemo17:50
*** hcarrega has quit IRC17:51
toggles_wi quit, can suck my bawls..17:53
wazdomweather is an app, not weather provider17:54
wazdso you can't make any buttons connected to forecast change17:55
DangerMauscrediy card not working?17:55
*** yannj_fr has quit IRC17:55
*** ali1234 has joined #maemo17:56
*** JPohlmann has quit IRC17:56
*** GiantTalkingCow has joined #maemo17:56
DangerMaustoggles_w, credit card not working?17:58
*** kr1shnak has joined #maemo17:58
*** mairas has quit IRC17:59
ShapeshifterDangerMaus: you got your device?18:00
toggles_wDangerMaus: yeah, called hsbc, they  authorised it 4 times, nokia web and their call center wont take it, tried another card too, no go, guess they don't want my money..18:00
Klownerout for deliverrrrrrry18:00
DangerMausvery close Shapeshifter  out for delivery18:00
Shapeshiftermy shop told me they'd receive their first batch today. seems like they were lying xD18:00
KlownerNow I'm afraid to go take a shower18:00
Shapeshifternot that I didn't expect that.18:01
Flandryis N900 little endian?18:01
DangerMausoh geez toggles_w ... lotta ppl having that issue with nokia and not just here UK also18:01
qwerty12Klowner: You in prison?18:01
Klownerqwerty12: lol, no, I'm afraid I'll miss the fedex person18:01
KlownerI'll get out of the shower all squeaky clean only to discover one of those "we missed you" stickers on the door18:01
Klownerthen I'll dramatically drop to my knees and scream at the heavens18:02
feriJaffa: ping18:02
qwerty12That would suck :\18:02
* toggles_w is looking at tickets to chicago for the weekend, buy in person..18:02
Klownertoggles_w: I considered the same thing on saturday/sunday, though it's only a 3hr drive for me18:02
DangerMausKlowner, at that point you jump in the car about 3pm and head to the fedex terminal and bring the tracking # and id and the'll get it off the truck for you i do it all the time18:03
KlownerDangerMaus: true, I've done that so many times18:03
ShadowJKFlandry, yes18:04
Klownerbut with fedex I have to drive clear across the mississippi and it's a hassle18:04
Flandrytakes a lot of faith too18:04
* DangerMaus is in chicago but didnt feel like going downtown18:04
toggles_wi suppose i could have it delivered to the billing address and work from home that day18:04
DangerMausrofl Klowner18:04
toggles_wDangerMaus: do they have them in store?18:05
*** BBNS has quit IRC18:05
Klownerthey had a demo unit hiding in a cupboard at the Chicago store almost 3 weeks ago18:05
DangerMaustoggles_w, you got an alternate delivery addy set up to deliver to with your CC company?18:05
* toggles_w should call before booking plane tickets..18:05
*** BBNS has joined #maemo18:05
*** ferdna has joined #maemo18:06
DangerMausahhh nvm18:06
DangerMausdidnt see the work from home thing18:06
*** BBNS has quit IRC18:07
DangerMauswait got your work addy as an alt delivery addy?18:07
*** BBNS has joined #maemo18:07
*** aakashd has quit IRC18:07
toggles_wi always have stuff sent here, never been a problem before18:08
toggles_wit's weird, anyway plane tickets are too expensive, ill do the work from home thing ;-)18:08
DangerMausnokia is doing strict checkiing even more than newegg18:08
*** tekojo has left #maemo18:08
*** fiferboy_ has joined #maemo18:08
toggles_wis newegg shipping?18:08
*** sleipnir has quit IRC18:09
*** BBNS has quit IRC18:09
DangerMausthey didnt lastnight have any to buy18:09
DangerMausbut someone said still fubar there18:09
*** BBNS has joined #maemo18:09
toggles_wyeah, no buy button.. hmm.18:10  but prob still preorder18:10
SpeedEvilDangerMaus: They've been even more wacky for me.18:10
DangerMausSpeedEvil, nokia or newegg?18:11
SpeedEvilDangerMaus: Ordered Oct 20, card charged Nov 23rd. Charge reversed on the 30th (it arrived shortly after) and today they take the money again.18:11
DangerMausthought you got a freebe didnt you18:12
SpeedEvilWell - I'd hoped - I wasn't expecting.18:12
*** feri has left #maemo18:12
*** julianoliver has joined #maemo18:12
infobotrumour has it, abend is abnormal end18:14
SpeedEvil~nine edge18:15
julianoliverhmm. i'll put a man on the case.18:15
*** GiantTalkingCow has quit IRC18:15
*** moo-_- has quit IRC18:17
DangerMaussounds like a fedex truck18:17
* Klowner runs upstairs18:17
DangerMausnope the diaper truck18:18
*** aakashd has joined #maemo18:18
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo18:19
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo18:19
*** BBNS has quit IRC18:19
*** BBNS_ is now known as BBNS18:19
*** Lorthirk has joined #maemo18:21
meceI'm having some trouble initializing osso.Context() is there something I'm missing?18:23
*** bolsh has joined #maemo18:23
*** yannj_fr has joined #maemo18:24
*** fiferboy has quit IRC18:25
*** AdmiralSausage has joined #maemo18:25
meceshould this work: asdf = osso.Context("osso_asdf", 0.0.1, False)18:26
mecetalking python here.18:26
*** bleader_ has joined #maemo18:26
*** bleader has quit IRC18:26
mecehmm ok, this api reference is ooold. Perhaps that's the problem.-..18:27
*** fiferboy has joined #maemo18:27
DangerMausgoing close to the door18:28
*** kwek has quit IRC18:29
*** alexj_ has joined #maemo18:29
*** fab has quit IRC18:29
*** Fargus has quit IRC18:30
*** lardman has joined #maemo18:32
* kalikianatoli wonders if the author of gcompris noticed that he messed up the sections18:33
qwerty12kalikianatoli: I'm gonna be laughing if he submits it to extras-testing18:34
*** bleader_ is now known as bleader18:34
qwerty12Ain't no way in hell you'll get someone to rate that many language packages18:34
*** rmoravcik has quit IRC18:34
*** BBNS has quit IRC18:34
*** BBNS_ has joined #maemo18:34
kalikianatolimaybe he just seeks lots of attention...18:36
lardmanhmm, why is a single SMS 160 chars, but a double SMS is 304 chars?18:36
lardmanmore info to stick it back together?18:37
mecelardman, Suppose there's some info telling that it's a two part..18:37
*** mikedg-blau has joined #maemo18:37
mikedg-blaujohn told me that maemo sucks18:37
*** avs has joined #maemo18:37
qwerty12John! That fucker!18:38
lardmandeath to the unbeliever!18:38
lardmanqwerty12, hand me my sharpened chopsticks18:38
* qwerty12 obliges18:38
* lardman takes aim at John18:38
*** cjdavis has quit IRC18:38
qwerty12All this time... It was John!18:38
qwerty12OK, seriously, who is John and why should we care?18:39
*** BBNS_ has quit IRC18:39
*** BBNS has joined #maemo18:39
lardmannot any more...... ha!18:39
lardmanso mikedg-blau, why would you believe john anyway?18:39
*** panaggio has joined #maemo18:40
mikedg-blaui didnt18:40
lardmanStskeeps: do you know whether there are any image files available for the Joggler?18:40
mikedg-blauthats whyi came here18:40
lardmangood lad :)18:40
mikedg-blaumy maemo is still on order18:41
mikedg-blauat amazon18:41
Stskeepslardman: hmm?18:41
lardmanStskeeps: I would like to examine the traffic application18:41
*** yannj has quit IRC18:43
lardmanhmm, they've shut down that site I see18:43
*** yannj has joined #maemo18:43
*** fiferboy_ has quit IRC18:43
mikedg-blaucan i get a hell yeah!18:44
Myrttishun the non-believer18:45
lardmanno, give him hell like he asks!18:45
lardmanI've got a sore throat, can't shout back18:46
lardmanyou win ;)18:46
*** Lorthirk has quit IRC18:46
Myrttilet's go to the CANDY MOUNTAIN!18:46
*** alexj has quit IRC18:47
*** alup has left #maemo18:48
DangerMausKlowner got it yet?18:48
*** Wikier has quit IRC18:48
*** pvanhoof has quit IRC18:49
*** yannj_fr has quit IRC18:49
lardmanMyrtti: you feeling ok?18:51
Myrttiwhy, yes. Thank you for asking.18:51
jebbajebwhy is there so little space on /, when the device itself has *tons* of space?18:51
KlownerDangerMaus: nerp18:51
DangerMausrootfs is on the 256mb NAND18:52
*** swc|666 has joined #maemo18:52
DangerMauswith the boot and the kernel18:52
jebbajebDangerMaus: ya, but they could have put some of that on the 32G too...  Like /usr (similar to what they did with /opt).18:53
jebbajebi installed just a "few" applications and the thing is full already.18:53
*** lbt has quit IRC18:53
jebbajebwhich means i can't even receive message18:53
*** cjdavis has joined #maemo18:54
DangerMausummm did someone saysomething bout a reboot would clear some of the at out?18:54
*** The_Tall1 has quit IRC18:54
*** Lorthirk has joined #maemo18:55
lardmannot realistically18:55
jebbajeb256M just aint so much space.....18:55
greenflyDangerMaus: I noticed a reboot cleaned up about 15Mb or so on /, but if you have a lot of devel software that hasn't been properly optified...18:55
lardmanthough does ubifs perform garbage collection on reboot?18:55
*** mgedmin has joined #maemo18:56
*** yerga has quit IRC18:56
*** d4rkfe4r has joined #maemo18:56
*** trickie has quit IRC18:56
DangerMausi was just gonna wonder that greenfly if it was optified stuff or not18:56
Klownerdangit, just heard a thump but it must have been the cat18:56
Shapeshifterhuh, messages are saved on that 256 space?18:56
greenflyDangerMaus: you can see how much space individual packages take up in the package manager when you go to the remove section18:56
d4rkfe4rHello. I need some help with my n810.18:56
lardmanjebbajeb: indeed, packages which have large files should be "optified" which means their large data files should be placed in /opt which is mounted elsewhere18:56
DangerMausthnx greenfly18:56
greenflyDangerMaus: then in a console a dpkg -L packagename    will tell you where the package installed its files18:57
d4rkfe4rWhen its checking for updates it stops half way18:57
*** yannj_fr has joined #maemo18:57
*** BBNS has quit IRC18:57
*** BBNS has joined #maemo18:57
jebbajebShapeshifter: not certain where they are stored, but once I filled / to 100%, it was constantly spamming the screen with "device full, no messages can be received/sent" or somesuch18:57
lardmangreenfly: remember that the rootfs is compressed, so you won't get as much space back as it reports18:57
greenflylardman: yeah, at first I was confused when I ran a du against / and noticed about 480mb used up :)18:58
*** angelixd has joined #maemo18:58
*** bilboed-pi has quit IRC18:58
*** julianol1ver has joined #maemo18:58
jebbajeblardman, ya i saw that about /opt.   But that seems to put an unnecessary burden on the developers to convert standard applications over. They have the space, they should use it sensibly... I mean the 256M should be for just /boot or similar....18:58
DangerMauswhy did they do suc a small nand18:58
*** goshawk has quit IRC18:59
DangerMausor is that all that fit  at design stage?18:59
jebbajebthey dont' really need a bigger NAND, they just need to use the available space more wisely.18:59
greenflyyou could argue for /opt or /usr/local being a better place for all extra apps18:59
greenflyespecially WRT the filesystem hierarchy standard18:59
*** penguinbait has quit IRC19:00
*** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s19:00
DangerMausi used to wind up with apps all over the place on the 77019:00
*** udovdh has joined #maemo19:00
jebbajebwell, why not just standard /usr though?  I mean, the package manager can handle that correctly, plus it is where 99% of applications are expeting...19:00
lardmanwell I imagine they assume people will have lots of media onboard19:00
mikedg-blaumedia schmedia19:00
*** mardi__ has quit IRC19:00
greenflyjebbajeb: check out the filesystem hierarchy standard for linux, specificially the sections on /opt and /usr/local19:00
jebbajebgreenfly: yes, and applications downloaded via apt and such should be in /usr19:01
greenflyjebbajeb: and you'll see that really /usr proper is for programs that come with the OS19:01
lardmanalso see the ml for the arguments about optification vs other options19:01
greenflyand that third-party apps should be either in /usr/local or /opt19:01
jebbajebgreenfly: and apps you "./configure; make ; make install"  go into /usr/local19:01
greenflyjebbajeb: heh, that's not the standard19:01
*** Lorthirk has quit IRC19:01
jebbajebgreenfly: debian, ubuntu, fedora, etc...  ALLLLLLL of them install repository applications in /usr19:02
*** Lorthirk has joined #maemo19:02
greenflythe standard doesn't have to do with how the package is built but more whether the package is considered "part" of the distribution19:02
jebbajebyes, and things in the repo are part of it.19:02
jebbajebi mean, really.  Conform to how debian does it, for example.19:02
greenflyin this case you could argue that EVERYTHING that doesn't come with maemo5 should go in /opt or /usr/local19:02
d4rkfe4rHello. I need some help with my n810. When its checking for updates it stops half way.19:02
jebbajebif I install gonvert or something in debian, it goes in /usr, not /opt.19:02
jebbajebgreenfly: well whatever. It's not how debian/ubuntu/fedora/etc do it.19:03
Shapeshifternor arch19:03
*** uben has joined #maemo19:03
greenflytrue, most people have a hard time applying that standard19:03
greenflybecause it's easier for packagers to just put it in /usr19:03
jebbajebi think you are reading it wrong.19:03
greenflyand not actually follow the standard19:03
greenflyand there's also a vague sense of what is "part" of the distribution and what isn't19:04
Corsacjebbajeb: if you install something in debian, it usually comes from debian anyway :)19:04
greenflyit's a bit more clear cut for the n900 though19:04
greenflyat a bare minimum I'd argue anything in the extras repo, test, or devel, would be considered 3rd party, not part of the core distro, and should go in /usr/local or /opt19:04
greenflysince maemo5 chose /opt instead of /usr/local, then /opt19:05
lardmanmmm, frixio looks like it's ripe for webscraping, once I improve my technique19:05
jebbajebCorsac: i'm talking about standard nokia/maemo repos here (no third party stuff)19:05
*** bilboed-pi has joined #maemo19:06
greenflyjebbajeb: extras isn't a standard nokia repo IMO, it would follow the standard to consider it 3rd party19:06
greenflysince it's not enabled by default19:06
ShapeshifterI just had a look at the standard and I don't see where it says it's not okay to put "optional" apps there.19:06
greenflyand most of what people are complaining about is stuff in extras or generally stuff on maemo.org19:06
jebbajebok, well whatever. But in every other distro it's in /usr.19:06
greenflyin this case they are just being more explicit about this standard19:07
greenflyand encouraging that you use it, by giving you way more space there19:07
*** andre__ has quit IRC19:07
jebbajeband making devices fill up...19:07
greenflynot if you follow the standard19:07
lardmanwell it's not a big thing really is it, just means you change the configure params19:07
jebbajebthankfully i know mke2fs, fdisk etc.   But how do i get my non-tech friend in another hemesphere set up?19:07
greenflyI don't see why it's really hard to change where something gets installed19:08
greenflyif you are packaging it anyway19:08
jebbajebgreenfly: i'm not packaging it.19:08
lardmanwho is?19:08
greenflyall it does it add an extra sanity step, which IMO will probably help the quality of the apps that get ported19:08
jebbajebi just enabled extras, installed a few things, and saw that i can't receive messages anymore, which seems not so wise.19:08
greenflysince someone has to spend 2 seconds thinking about the platform instead of just cross-compiling a x86 deb and calling it done19:08
jebbajebya, might as well throw an extra hurdle in front of them...19:09
greenflyit's a change in convention here19:09
greenflynoone will be complaining about it in maemo6 since all the apps will have conformed by then19:09
greenflyyou are seeing growing pains now because some people just did a quick repackage of old maemo apps since they don't have an n900 yet19:10
*** yannj_fr has quit IRC19:10
greenflyhopefully in the next couple of months you'll see devs repackage their stuff properly19:10
greenflysince, honestly, it's not /difficult/ to do it right19:10
*** julianoliver has quit IRC19:10
greenflywe are talking a different directory here19:10
solarionI need time to get gnumeric reported19:10
*** cjdavis has quit IRC19:11
solarionforking is a pain; integration is where it's at.19:11
derfgreenfly: Spoken like someone who's never tried to convince autotools to do something "simple".19:11
*** b-man17 has joined #maemo19:11
jebbajebya, i've had enough pain even getting apps to respect $DESTDIR...19:12
greenflyderf: hey I'm a /usr/local guy myself so IMO they should have done that, but noone asked me :)19:12
jebbajeb(building fedora RPMS)19:12
jebbajebi think they should have done what fedora/redhat/debian/ubuntu/etc all do....19:12
*** sjaensch has quit IRC19:12
*** pH5 has joined #maemo19:12
greenflyjebbajeb: clearly they didn't have 2Gb of internal storage, they had 25619:13
*** EspadaV8_W has quit IRC19:13
greenflyso they had to choose some non-/ mount point for the 32Gb storage19:13
greenflyand since usb storage still generally expects vfat everywhere, they had to give the bulk up to that19:13
greenflyand carve up 2gb of it for an ext3 partition mounted somewhere for the bulk of the system storage (in this case in /opt)19:14
greenflyyou can certainly argue it should have been mounted in /usr, or /usr/local instead19:14
*** yannj has quit IRC19:14
greenflybut (for various internal reasons that I'm sure their team argued about) they decided to go with /opt19:14
*** frade has quit IRC19:15
*** avs has quit IRC19:15
jebbajebheh. well, i can't even get the thing to power back on, so i'm extra noob at the moment  ;)19:15
greenflyya, that sucks :(19:15
lardmanhold the power button down until the light comes on and the vibration motor goes19:16
lardmanor have you broken it?19:16
lardmanso are deps of promoted packages not being pulled in?19:16
greenflyreally, I'm surprised the stuff in Extras isn't all optified yet, I'd expect that to be a prerequisite19:16
lardmangreenfly: indeed19:16
derfIf you put it in /usr, you can't reflash the device to get it back to a known working state.19:16
derfWhich is _not_ something fedora/redhat/debian/ubuntu/etc ever had to worry about.19:17
greenflyderf: true, that's a really good point19:17
lardmanhmm, is the promotion sequence devel -> testing -> extras?19:17
derf/usr/local might still have been a reasonable option.19:17
lardmanI hope so as I just promoted mbarcode and I've no idea where to19:17
greenflyderf: IME most people use /usr/local and /opt interchangibly, the solaris guys like /opt and the Linux guys seem to like /usr/local19:18
zaheermgreenfly, what isn't optified in extras?19:18
jebbajebyou know under the battery there are like 10 gold "dots".  Is that jtag, usb, serial, what?19:18
greenflyzaheerm: dunno, apparently something jebbajeb installed that filled up his /19:18
zaheermjebbajeb, what did you install?19:18
jebbajebgreenfly: i installed a bunch from extras.  supertux and vim (20 megs heh--when leafpad is like 900k).  Anyway, that filled /19:19
Shapeshifterso, extra apps get installed in that 256 space?19:19
derfIME /usr/local gets added to paths and /opt doesn't.19:19
jebbajebShapeshifter: some do, some dont19:19
*** petur has quit IRC19:19
Shapeshifterwhy do some?19:19
derfSo I could just ./configure --prefix=/usr/local and be done.19:19
jebbajebderf: --prefix=/opt  ya.19:19
greenflyderf: yeah, I like /usr/local better myself, because it's just one extra entry to each path (library paths, binary paths, etc.)19:19
derfjebbajeb: Not if I want it to show up in the user's path.19:19
jebbajebASSUMING the ./configure script respects that, which many dont19:19
lardmanderf: yeah I don't know why that wasn't chosen tbh19:19
greenflyderf: when in the /opt case each addition requires the path get longer19:19
jebbajebI assume /opt/bin is in the $PATH too19:20
derfjebbajeb: You probably assume wrong.19:20
greenflyjebbajeb: it shouldn't be19:20
Shapeshifterbut why this.19:20
jebbajebactually it isnt19:20
greenflyas the standard in /opt is for each program to have its own named dir19:20
greenflyand then under that dir, there might be a bin, lib, etc.19:20
lardmanjebbajeb: you should split the package so binaries are under /usr and data under /opt iirc19:20
Shapeshifterwell. I'm all for /usr/local19:20
Shapeshifterand that should not be on the 256 partition.19:20
lardmanShapeshifter: too late19:21
mgedminShapeshifter, have you read the FHS?19:21
greenflylardman: if you use /opt, everything for the package should be under a named dir in /opt19:21
Shapeshifterno I haven't.19:21
mgedminthen you're missing some of the considerations19:21
zaheermjebbajeb, so...supertux i know is optified19:21
lardmangreenfly: bar a shell script to call the binary, etc19:21
Shapeshiftermgedmin: what is the "FHS"?19:21
mgedminthe Filesystem Hierarchy Standard19:21
zaheermone problem is apt stores it's packages to /19:21
greenflyShapeshifter: Filesystem Hierarchy Standard19:21
Shapeshifterahh. yes I've skimmed over it.19:21
Shapeshifterbut, what does this have to do with maemo and the storage problem.19:22
mgedmin"The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when installing software locally. It needs to be safe from being overwritten when the system software is updated"19:22
jebbajebzaheerm, supertux may be /opt. I was just listing some apps....19:22
ShapeshifterI mean, it can't be that there's soo little space for extra apps. and /opt is a bit silly because every subdir is an app dir.19:22
mgedminwhich is usually interpreted as "distro packages should not ship stuff in /usr/local"19:22
Shapeshiftermgedmin: so what, that's perfect19:22
mgedminexcept maybe for skeleton directories for sysadmin to put his custom files19:22
*** BluesLee has joined #maemo19:23
Shapeshifterand "the system software" being updated would simply be syncing the main repo.19:23
greenflybasically if you look at the problem they had to solve, /usr/local and /opt were the two best choices19:23
greenflythey went with /opt, so that's what we have19:23
Shapeshifterbut in opt, do libraries still get shared?19:23
greenflythey can provided you add their individual paths to your library path19:24
*** bilboed-pi has quit IRC19:24
greenflythat's the major downside when you optify, your paths can get huge19:24
Shapeshifterand apt does that?19:24
Shapeshifterwhen installing a package?19:24
greenflyif your package is intelligent enough to update the library paths it affects19:24
greenflyin many cases, though, at least in my experience, optified packages are self-contained19:25
lardmanhmm, need to vpn, bbiam19:25
*** lardman has quit IRC19:25
greenflyso outside packages don't have to use their libraries as much19:25
Shapeshifterbut, so, in essence all this means that except for big independend apps like open office, eclipse, all that like, apps will get installed to the 256mb partition which will be full in no time.19:26
greenflyShapeshifter: no19:26
greenflyit means all apps /should/ change so they install in /opt19:27
greenflyand anything in /usr should expect to be overwritten during a firmware update19:27
*** bilboed-pi has joined #maemo19:27
Shapeshifterbut, well, you answered this already, but I really think that's a problem with shared libs then.19:27
jebbajebthat does make sense in the case of having to reflash the thing.19:27
greenflyShapeshifter: any extra libs you add just need to update the system library path so they are included19:28
greenflysame goes for the system binary path19:28
*** netvandal has quit IRC19:28
*** alexj has joined #maemo19:28
kalikianatoliShapeshifter,  if you reflash it, you can reinstall from a backup19:28
Shapeshiftergreenfly: and, on a reflash /opt stays?19:28
*** lardman has joined #maemo19:28
Shapeshifterbut then, PATH is gone.19:28
jebbajebgreenfly: but what to do in the interim?  ?   How to solve / at 100% (besides removing apps, which I did to get it down to 96%)19:29
greenflyShapeshifter: honestly I'm not too well-versed in what the backup/restore features in NUS or whatever does and doesn't do19:29
Shapeshifterand also, flashing will erase the database anyway.19:29
jebbajebShapeshifter: ya /opt probably stays on reflash19:29
lardmanhmm, probably not19:29
Shapeshifterthe apt database?19:30
lardman /opt19:30
Shapeshifterdatabase gone, path gone.19:30
Shapeshifterthings in /opt will be corpses after a reflash anyway, won't they?19:30
greenflyIIRC the backup/restore tool makes note of the packages you had before reflash and can reinstall19:30
lardmanthey get flashed away anyway19:30
jebbajeba reboot DID free up quite a bit of space. I was at 96%, after reboot i'm at 77% full.   I had run an apt-get clean before reboot, but didnt seem to liberate space.  So ubi or whatever seems to free up on boot.19:30
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo19:30
*** calvaris has joined #maemo19:30
greenflybut again, I'm not well-versed on that tool19:31
lardmanassuming you flash the emmc image, which I guess will always happen19:31
crashanddieHi all19:31
greenflyI do know certain aspects of /home/user stay and some settings are reset to "factory"19:31
greenflywhich makes sense if you think about it19:31
lardman /home/user in one mount point, /home/user/MyDocs is another19:32
greenflyif a user screwed up their gconf database, for instance, you'd want a reflash to fix that19:32
jebbajebgreenfly: do you have suggestions on best approach to increase / though?19:32
jebbajebgconf is sadness19:32
*** Archanamiya has joined #maemo19:32
greenflyjebbajeb: have apps get optified, basically19:32
Archanamiya~burn himself19:32
* infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze19:32
*** fab has joined #maemo19:33
jebbajebgreenfly: ok, i'll see which apps are behaving incorrectly and bugzilla them19:33
*** rsalveti has quit IRC19:33
*** Makavel has joined #maemo19:33
*** edgar83 has joined #maemo19:33
Makavelhello guys... what is the official language for Maemo?19:34
greenflyMakavel: looks like you have a choice between C (if you use gtk) c++ (if you use qt) and python19:34
Archanamiya~slap himself19:34
* infobot slaps himself, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!19:34
kalikianatoliMakavel, there is a number of officially supported locales if you mean that19:34
jebbajebThis is how it finds stuff in /opt.   Not sure how it would find them after reflash:19:34
jebbajeblrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           22 Nov 30 22:25 /usr/bin/vim -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/vim19:34
Makavelkalikianatoli: i meant programming language19:35
kalikianatolioh, haha19:35
kalikianatoliignore me19:35
Shapeshiftermgedmin: lots of C and python.19:35
ShapeshifterMakavel: ^19:36
Makavelgreenfly: for python on maemo, is it pyGtk or pyQt or PySide whatever19:36
lardmanhmm, so much for M$ openness, what about the spec for HCCB?19:36
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo19:36
jebbajebalso, tons of space is taken up for i10n stuff.   I dont think i'm going to be speaking swedish anytime soon, unfortunately.  But if you remove them, they want to take the whole app with them (e.g. remove swedish for calendar, the calendar wants to be removed too).  Seems the app shouldn't dep on the i10n.19:36
greenflyMakavel: not sure, presumably pyGtk and pyQt at least19:36
mgedminMakavel, for maemo 5, PyGtk (+ Python hildon bindings), although PyQt and PySide might also work19:36
lardmanjebbajeb: valid point, file a bug though19:36
ShapeshifterMakavel: you can pretty much use what you want. I heard pyside is outdated. I myself use pyqt and it's awesome.19:36
mgedminpython apps have some disadvantages on maemo, compared to C apps (slower startup speed, larger memory usage)19:37
mgedminwell, they have those disadvantages on desktops too, but maemo is more resource-constrained19:37
lcuklack of tab key is another maemo specific one ;)19:37
Makavelshapeshifter: but pyside was released not too long ago but how can it be outdated?19:37
kalikianatolilcuk, use ctrl+i19:37
*** sjaensch has joined #maemo19:37
jebbajeblcuk: no |  (pipe) on keyboard made me almost cry.19:38
*** BBNS has quit IRC19:38
*** BBNS has joined #maemo19:38
MakavelI am asking because... i dont know C but know some C++ and python. Dont know gtk but know some Qt19:38
greenflyjebbajeb: easy enough to add to the xterm19:39
jebbajebwhat's apt equivalent of `rpm -qf  /usr/lib/microb-engine/`   (e.g. how to find out which package name belongs to)?19:39
greenflythe gconf command is online19:39
wjtdpkg -S19:39
jebbajebgreenfly: ah, didn't know that. just been using this thing for a few hours now  ;)  thx19:40
jebbajebwjt: thx19:40
ShapeshifterMakavel: I said "heard" it was outdated. I read it on the forums.19:40
ShapeshifterMakavel: both C and gtk are easy to learn19:40
Shapeshifterspecially if you already know C++.19:40
lizardoMakavel: well it is not, in fact it currently supports Qt 4.6 :)19:40
lizardoShapeshifter: ^19:41
Shapeshifteroh okay.19:41
lizardoPyQt in Maemo 5 seems compiled against qt 4.519:41
* hardaker2 supposes it's time to learn how to package .debs. Been doing .rpms for too long now.19:41
*** hardaker2 is now known as hardaker19:41
DangerMausKlowner like where the heck is fedex?19:42
Shapeshifteris pyside better then pyqt? I see they're compatible atm.19:42
*** brolin has quit IRC19:42
DangerMausi bet they show up rite at 130019:42
lizardoShapeshifter: what do you mean by "better" ?19:42
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC19:43
*** dl9pf has joined #maemo19:43
*** warp10 has quit IRC19:43
*** florian has quit IRC19:43
Shapeshifterlizardo: well, that's the question. does it have a brighter future then pyqt? is it somehow faster?19:44
Shapeshiftermore up to date?19:44
kalikianatolihardaker, http://cdbs-doc.duckcorp.org19:45
lizardoShapeshifter: faster ? we still need to measure ; smaller ? no at the current version, but we are working on it; more up to date ? well, we already support the new classes in Qt 4.6 that AFAIK PyQt does not (might be wrong though, I haven't been following PyQt development)19:46
hardakerkalikianatoli: heh; thanks.19:46
mikedg-blauonly one fucking maemo device in 2k1019:46
*** dirk2 has joined #maemo19:46
hardaker(the good news is that once I learn it I'll likely be packaging a crapload of stuff)19:46
lardmanmikedg-blau: year's not over19:46
Shapeshifterlizardo: ookay. I'll need to just try it.19:46
*** tekonivel has quit IRC19:46
mikedg-blau10 i said19:46
*** tekonivel has joined #maemo19:46
lardmanlikewise ;)19:47
*** lorelei^_ has joined #maemo19:49
*** Unmenschlich has joined #maemo19:50
jebbajebon another note, my SDK installer has been hung at "Preconfiguring packages" for like 10 hours....19:50
*** mikedg-blau has left #maemo19:50
*** BluesLee has quit IRC19:50
*** sevard has quit IRC19:51
*** Mousey has joined #maemo19:51
jebbajebexiting the package installer doesn't do an `apt-get clean`  So perhaps I hit 100% cuz /var/cache got full (?).    Perhaps the fone could mount /tmp /var/tmp /var/cache etc outside the 256M to save space. They don't matter for reflash.19:51
*** sevard has joined #maemo19:51
*** Nailbar has joined #maemo19:52
lardman~lart VB & MATLAB19:52
* infobot slaps VB & MATLAB upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh19:52
KlownerDangerMaus: I dunno, mine ain't here yet either19:52
DangerMausticc toc tic toc19:53
*** bergie has joined #maemo19:53
DangerMausatleast it should be here by 3pm19:53
*** choppa has joined #maemo19:53
*** user_ has joined #maemo19:54
jebbajebanother newbie question. I downloaded and saved an mp3 with the webbrowser (which it put in a hidden dir!), but the "media player" doesn't appear to have any way to open files, AFAICT (??!).    kmplayer the way to do that or what?    I dont even see a way to remove all the pre-installed media, for which i have no use (other than xterm of course)19:55
*** user_ has quit IRC19:55
ccookejebbajeb: tracker should find it and make the media player see it.19:55
lardmanjebbajeb: or double click from the filemanager19:56
derfYou can't open files?19:56
hardakerjebbajeb: use the file manager to put it in ~/MyDocs/.sounds19:56
derfThat's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.19:56
lardmannah, leave it wherever, should still be seen19:56
derfSome of us don't _want_ a media scanner running.19:57
jebbajebah ya, via filemanager...gotcha hehe19:57
derfAnd have no need for one.19:57
*** IcanCU has joined #maemo19:57
ccookederf: in which case, you'll use an alternate media player and manage it yourself, surely?19:57
lardmanderf: is better than metacrawler afaict ;)19:57
jebbajebworking now.. just need to find my way around this sucker still19:57
derfccooke: Apparently I'll have to.19:57
ccookederf: well, you can. And for the average user, their media 'just works' ;-)19:58
*** choppa has quit IRC19:58
*** lizardo has quit IRC19:58
*** swc|666 has quit IRC19:59
*** dneary has quit IRC19:59
jebbajebi can't believe how responsive this thing is. I have a sharp netwalker (most recent zaurus, basically), and its waaaaaaaaaay slower. Pretty similar specs too (but netwalker has even more ram)20:00
*** lorelei^ has quit IRC20:01
*** Vink has joined #maemo20:02
*** Nailbar has quit IRC20:02
ShadowJKand people complain it's unresponsive...20:02
DocScrutinizerdarn, mediaplayer doesn't support flac20:03
jebbajebi dont know what they are talking about.  I run tons and it seems fast...20:03
jebbajebannoyingly ogg isn't supported out-of-the-box.  It's kind of even insulting.  ;)20:03
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, try oggsupport from extras?20:03
lardmanDocScrutinizer: should be as simple as adding the gst element20:03
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: thought I installed that 3h after opening the box. Will recheck. Thanks20:03
lardmanthough subtitles don't work even with the correct elementr20:04
*** willer has joined #maemo20:05
DocScrutinizernevertheless... bliss :-)20:05
ShadowJKlardman, gstreamer has ass support or are these some other subtitles?20:05
*** BBNS has quit IRC20:06
*** konttori has joined #maemo20:06
*** BBNS has joined #maemo20:06
*** Unmensch has quit IRC20:06
jebbajebThere is this package:   gstreamer0.10-flac20:07
jebbajebogg-support doesn't have FLAC files in it20:07
DocScrutinizerjebbajeb: aah20:08
*** petrux has quit IRC20:09
*** geaaru has quit IRC20:10
DocScrutinizerseems I need to config my progmngr repos somewhat better20:10
DocScrutinizerjebbajeb: which repo is gstreamer0.10-flac supposed o be found?20:11
*** yerga has joined #maemo20:12
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo20:12
lardmanderf: quite interesting, shame there's no spec:
*** Makavel has quit IRC20:12
kalikianatoliShadowJK, "gstreamer has ass support", call it libass at least :-)20:13
kalikianatoliit reads horrible otherwise20:13
d4rkfe4rHow do I get my n810 to not check for updates when i add a Repository?20:13
jebbajebin the conversation app (IM), you increase the font size by using the volume rocker switch. This doesn't reflow the conversation though, so you have to left/right scroll, which is lame. Bug #5624  says that this wont be fixed since zoom will be removed. How to increase font size in conversations then???  I'm asking cuz i have a friend who wants n900, but says she can't read her SMSs cuz they are too small.20:13
povbotBug Zoom in/out in IM chat does not reflow contents20:13
jebbajebDocScrutinizer: i have -testing enabled, so it's probably there.
DocScrutinizerjebbajeb: thnx20:14
lardmanmikkov: thanks for the comment20:15
*** jrocha has quit IRC20:15
lardmanmikkov: any thoughts as to what I can optify? ;)20:15
ShadowJKhm.. ogg-support on fremantle atleast claims to depend on gstreamer0.10-flac20:15
hrw|gonegstreamer in maemo5 should be rebuilt to support ALL options20:15
*** hrw|gone is now known as hrw20:15
jebbajebShadowJK: could be that it drags in that package, but doesn't *include* it  (e.g. it's a dep)20:15
ShadowJKno idea20:16
lardmanhrw: you mean the packages being built and some components not being included in the installation files?20:16
ShadowJKistr something on the forum or bugtracker about it..20:16
hrwlardman: there is no modplug plugin for example.20:16
konttoriwow, the qt 4.6 demo stuff is really cool looking20:16
hrwlardman: it is not built by default20:16
* RST38h once again looks for SDL experts20:17
hrwkonttori: and it is broken on maemo520:17
konttoriit is?20:17
konttorihow come?20:17
hrwkonttori: Phonon::SeekSlider is broken20:17
*** BBNS has quit IRC20:17
kulveShadowJK: there's flac support, but without tags20:17
*** BBNS has joined #maemo20:17
lardmanmikkov: when you say doesn't recognise, do you mean that it quite simply won't produce any text for a 2D/numbers for a 1D barcode?20:18
kulveShadowJK: ogg-support depends on gstreamer0.10-flac that adds the gst flac plugin and depends on actual libflac20:18
lardmanmikkov: in which case please give me an url to the image in question and I'll take a look20:18
konttorihrw: is that the only broken thing?20:18
lardmanbbiam, need to reboot20:19
*** lardman has quit IRC20:19
hrwkonttori: first found by me20:19
RST38hMaybe someone has compiled stuff using CURSES?20:19
konttoriah, but it's alpha quality still, so, a good catch20:19
hrwkonttori: remember that I am not maemo(ANYVER) developer basically20:19
hrwkonttori: but it follows Hildon UI more20:20
*** tekonivel has quit IRC20:20
*** tekonivel has joined #maemo20:20
hrwwhich made my app even less useful20:20
*** fnordianslip has joined #maemo20:20
derflardman|gone: Looks devilishly hard to detect.20:20
*** L0cMini9 has joined #maemo20:20
kalikianatolihrw, what kind of app becomes less useful with a better qt?20:20
*** BBNS has quit IRC20:20
Corsacwell, qt...20:21
*** BBNS has joined #maemo20:21
jebbajebhmm, app-manager should include $LICENSE in package summary....20:22
hrwkalikianatoli: contra
hrwjebbajeb: app-manager should die (in painful way)20:22
*** L0cutus has quit IRC20:22
jebbajebhaha. why?20:22
kalikianatoliCorsac, don't you think a foul mouthed beggar becomes nicer when you give him fresh clothes, metaphorically speaking? :-)20:22
XisdibikOn the address section of Contacts   it has   "Extension"  and "Street" and then a few others20:23
Xisdibikwtf is an extension in an address20:23
hrwjebbajeb: try to install 5 applications with it20:23
Corsackalikianatoli: I'm just not sure the clothes are really worth it20:23
jebbajeboh ya.  you have to do them all one at a time. total pain in the ass. And you have to scroll to the bottom each time... and....20:23
kalikianatolihrw, oh, that's a bit of a drawback, yeah :-]20:24
jebbajeb...and you have to "agree" each time. And it appears to not `apt-get clean` when done...and...20:24
*** lardman has joined #maemo20:24
crashanddieGAN900: trying to purchase an mbp from the apple store us... they can't use my bloody UK credit card, wankers20:24
*** avs has joined #maemo20:24
kalikianatolijebbajeb, it's not optimized for mass installing but the ui is very nice imho20:25
jebbajebkalikianatoli: yes. interface is ok.  Would be nice if you could hit "P" or whatever on the keyboard and have it scroll to the letter P or somesuch though.20:25
kalikianatoliyou're right actually. I tried typing letters a few times, automatically, and it didn't help20:26
*** EspadaV8_L has joined #maemo20:26
hrwDangerMaus: yes?20:26
DangerMausnot ready for public yet20:27
*** eMHa has joined #maemo20:27
hrwDangerMaus: that app?20:27
DangerMausoops wrong window20:27
*** guardian has quit IRC20:27
hrwDangerMaus: I do not plan to release it for maemo520:27
hrwDangerMaus: at least not in this year20:27
DangerMauswas showing someopne the sdk  with that pic20:28
DangerMausbut pastred here instead20:28
DangerMausgetting tired20:28
hrwDangerMaus: pic12 is deprecated by qt 4.6 packages20:28
*** Archanamiya has quit IRC20:28
hrwand current api of application does not even remind that one from pic12/13 ;D20:28
jebbajeblcuk: package liqcontrolpanel's summary is "short description" fyi20:29
*** nielsslot has joined #maemo20:29
* hardaker considers porting bacula20:30
*** Free_maN has quit IRC20:30
*** bilboed-pi has quit IRC20:31
*** Lorthirk` has joined #maemo20:31
*** Lorthirk has quit IRC20:31
*** richieeee72 has joined #maemo20:31
*** Lorthirk` has quit IRC20:32
*** javispedro has joined #maemo20:32
jebbajebtimezone data is wrong for buenos aires, argentina....20:34
RST38hjavis: where do I get SDL_ttf?20:34
*** richieeee72 has left #maemo20:34
*** tipi^ has quit IRC20:35
hrwRST38h: normally you get it from repository as libsdl-ttf2.0-0 package. but under maemo?20:35
*** tipi^ has joined #maemo20:35
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, sucks20:36
*** fluff|afk is now known as fluff20:36
RST38hhw: yes, under maemo?20:37
jebbajebRST38h: libsdl-ttf2.0-020:37
RST38hthanks =)20:37
hrwRST38h: under maemo different things happens20:37
RST38hnot found20:38
*** Unmenschlich has quit IRC20:38
*** debayan has joined #maemo20:38
*** debayan has quit IRC20:38
*** BluesLee has joined #maemo20:39
*** eocanha has quit IRC20:40
jebbajebRST38h: libsdl-ttf2.0  phaps20:40
jebbajeb# apt-cache search SDL_ttf20:40
jebbajeblibsdl-pango1 - text rendering with Pango in SDL applications (shared library)20:40
jebbajeblibsdl-ttf2.0-0 - ttf library for Simple DirectMedia Layer with FreeType 2 support20:40
*** BluesLee has quit IRC20:40
jebbajebyou may need -testing enabled (I do).  Not sure how to tell with dpkg/apt which repo a package is from (being more of a yum/rpm user...)20:40
*** hexa has joined #maemo20:40
*** qwerty12 has quit IRC20:41
RST38hnot here :( what epo is it in?20:41
hardakerjebbajeb: any chance that's in -devel?  I have testing enabled and those don't show up.20:41
*** timeless_mbp has quit IRC20:41
*** n6pfk has quit IRC20:41
*** qwerty12_N900 has joined #maemo20:42
jebbajebhardaker: I have -extras and -extras-testing enabled only20:42
*** choppa has joined #maemo20:42
*** `0660 has joined #maemo20:43
jebbajebhardaker: RST38h:    my repos:
hardakerlooks like mine.20:44
jebbajebso for bugzilla, would bad timezone data be filed under "core" or "system software".   I think it is a part of libc....20:44
hardakerwait, there it is.20:44
hardakersearching for ttf2 didn't work.20:45
lcukjebbajeb, that package was wrong to be there in the first place20:45
*** hrw has quit IRC20:45
* hardaker looks for his typo20:45
*** hrw has joined #maemo20:45
RST38hjebba: thanks20:45
DangerMausKlowner,  GOT IT!!!!!20:45
*** bilboed has joined #maemo