| qwerty12_N900 | Even though I have no need for MfE, I find it awesome that he's taking his time to answer questions | 00:00 |
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| asidjazz | rm_you: n/m thats for the n800, is there an n900 repo list? | 00:00 |
| javispedro | asidjazz: go to the application manager double tap on "extras" repository and enable it. | 00:00 |
| rm_you | asidjazz: if you look at the extras catalog entry, just duplicate that | 00:01 |
| Pavlz | here to the ninux day | 00:01 |
| rm_you | but in the URL, where it says maemo.org/extras/ make it maemo.org/extras-devel/ and extras-testing/ | 00:01 |
| Pavlz | there is Elektra | 00:02 |
| GAN900 | People hoarding knowledge. . . . | 00:02 |
| GAN900 | I find that claim highly insulting. | 00:02 |
| Pavlz | and i saw too xMff | 00:02 |
| GAN900 | I bet he'd want us to clean up the pieces when he bricks his device, too. | 00:03 |
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| asidjazz | yea i added both of this rm-you they keep failing to refresh | 00:05 |
| Pavlz | here to the Ninux Day | 00:06 |
| Pavlz | i saw Elektra and xMff | 00:06 |
| asidjazz | getting 404 errors | 00:07 |
| asidjazz | odd | 00:07 |
| Pavlz | Elektra of FreiFunk (B.A. T.M.A.N.) | 00:07 |
| asidjazz | ah mispell | 00:07 |
| Pavlz | and xMff the mantainer of OpenWrt | 00:07 |
| Pavlz | here in Italy (Roma) | 00:08 |
| Macer | damn. guess i can't install tomato on this thing | 00:08 |
| Macer | ah well | 00:08 |
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| zerojay | GAN900: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=398148&postcount=25 | 00:10 |
| Macer | ugh | 00:11 |
| Macer | AakashPatel: you sure holding the reset button will clear the password? | 00:11 |
| AakashPatel | Yes | 00:11 |
| Macer | so just hold reset for 30 secs | 00:12 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, s/Maemo.org/maemo.org/g *g* | 00:12 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: yep | 00:12 |
| Macer | you have the dd-wrt page that shows you how to do this? :) | 00:12 |
| AakashPatel | and then turn off power for 1 min | 00:12 |
| Macer | i'm looking for it | 00:12 |
| AakashPatel | ...just do it lol | 00:12 |
| Macer | i just don't want to run into a problem when i do this | 00:12 |
| zerojay | GAN900: Typed too fast. | 00:12 |
| Macer | AakashPatel: oh yeah. trust the scrolling text person :) | 00:12 |
| Macer | haha | 00:12 |
| AakashPatel | What problem will you run in to? | 00:12 |
| AakashPatel | :P | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | the most appearant proof that the communist cabal isn't in charge of talk.maemo.org is the fact a constant s/Maemo.org/maemo.org/g filter is not in place. | 00:12 |
| asidjazz | the extras devel repo gives me a 'no hash entry in release file' | 00:12 |
| Macer | a bricked router? :) | 00:12 |
| Macer | haha | 00:12 |
| AakashPatel | ...do it | 00:12 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 00:12 |
| Macer | and a panic into setting up this G2 one | 00:12 |
| Macer | that doesnt' support tomato | 00:13 |
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| AakashPatel | Lol | 00:13 |
| Macer | ddwrt is still free? | 00:13 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: I promise you if dd-wrt is installed correctly it will reste | 00:13 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: some versions | 00:13 |
| AakashPatel | the old ones | 00:13 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 00:13 |
| Macer | it is | 00:13 |
| Macer | i just can't login to it anymore | 00:13 |
| AakashPatel | bull shit | 00:13 |
| Macer | i am using it now :) | 00:13 |
| Macer | i tried to change the root pw | 00:13 |
| Macer | guess i did it wrong | 00:13 |
| AakashPatel | oh | 00:14 |
| Macer | is there any other way to recover it? | 00:14 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: did your reboot? | 00:14 |
| Macer | yeah i'm pretty sure i did | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | I love the random Droid loser that clued the guy in to our conspiracy then helped him set up his device to lose allof his data in the near future. | 00:14 |
| AakashPatel | it *wasnt* 1 min 30 secs | 00:14 |
| AakashPatel | on my watch | 00:14 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 00:14 |
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| Macer | heh | 00:14 |
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| Macer | so just hold that little reset button for 30 and start it back up and login root password admin? | 00:14 |
| Macer | after leaving it powered off for 1 min? :) | 00:15 |
| AakashPatel | Power it on | 00:15 |
| AakashPatel | Press rest for 30 secs | 00:15 |
| Macer | it is on | 00:15 |
| Macer | i am using it now :) | 00:15 |
| AakashPatel | power off for 1 min | 00:15 |
| AakashPatel | power on | 00:15 |
| AakashPatel | :) | 00:15 |
| Macer | then root/admin | 00:15 |
| Macer | ? | 00:15 |
| AakashPatel | yes | 00:15 |
| Macer | ok. i will do that in a little bit | 00:15 |
| AakashPatel | it will tell you what the default user and pass is | 00:15 |
| AakashPatel | if youget it wrong | 00:15 |
| Macer | tell me? :) | 00:15 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: if you enter the pass wrong? | 00:15 |
| Macer | haha | 00:15 |
| Macer | oh | 00:15 |
| javispedro | man there's REALLY a topic of the redpill mode? | 00:15 |
| AakashPatel | it doesnt tell you on the 403 page? | 00:15 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, and blog posts mirroring it. | 00:16 |
| javispedro | now my personal battle against the "emulator" seems like a war in a sandbox | 00:16 |
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| asidjazz | lol pdigin for maemo? | 00:16 |
| asidjazz | sickkkkkkkkk | 00:16 |
| Macer | no. just "default user is root" | 00:16 |
| Macer | it's a 401 | 00:17 |
| Macer | :) | 00:17 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 00:17 |
| AakashPatel | root and admin or something | 00:17 |
| AakashPatel | ore root blank | 00:17 |
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| GAN900 | Gotta love that marcinw guy | 00:17 |
| Macer | ok. i will try it out in a little while | 00:17 |
| Macer | and curse your name when it doesn't work :) | 00:17 |
| woglinde | whats wrong with pidgine for maemo? | 00:18 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, and the propaganda guys are doing a great job of making us look like we're anti-user for it. | 00:18 |
| woglinde | I bet psi is in place too | 00:18 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: Call me if it doesnt work | 00:18 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 00:18 |
| Macer | lol | 00:18 |
| javispedro | GAN900: I can't wait for the spanish fansites to publish it so that I can scold them. | 00:18 |
| Macer | if it doesn't work i'll tether my G1 and curse your damn name over and over :) | 00:18 |
| Macer | it actually won't be that big of a deal | 00:18 |
| AakashPatel | fine haha | 00:18 |
| Macer | i have the G2 on standby | 00:18 |
| Macer | and it will just take a couple minutes to get it going | 00:18 |
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| AakashPatel | lol whenever you say that i feel like im talking to a n00b on #android | 00:19 |
| AakashPatel | I HAZ THE G2 | 00:19 |
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| Macer | heh | 00:19 |
| Macer | the G2 is a spare | 00:19 |
| asidjazz | omg dont tell me theres on exchange support yet | 00:19 |
| asidjazz | no* | 00:19 |
| AakashPatel | tehre is | 00:19 |
| AakashPatel | look at hte specs :P | 00:19 |
| asidjazz | where is it? its already installed? | 00:19 |
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| javispedro | GAN900: invoke the mods. edit the damn message to put the "DONT DO THIS OR YOU'LL BRICK YOUR DEVICE, 90% CHANCE" moniker in big bold letters. | 00:19 |
| AakashPatel | Supported protocols: Mail for Exchange, IMAP, POP3, SMTP | 00:20 |
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| asidjazz | what about syncing contacts and calendar w/ excahnge | 00:20 |
| AakashPatel | asidjazz: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ | 00:20 |
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| Macer | waiting for something to finish | 00:20 |
| Macer | and i can try this reset | 00:20 |
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| AakashPatel | Macer: you order a n900 yet? :P | 00:21 |
| Macer | AakashPatel: ! | 00:21 |
| AakashPatel | what | 00:21 |
| Macer | AakashPatel: no. i am going to wait a bit | 00:21 |
| Macer | i preordered a touchbook | 00:21 |
| AakashPatel | they lowerd the price anyway | 00:21 |
| Macer | and wound up selling it for 1/2 its price | 00:21 |
| Macer | :) | 00:21 |
| AakashPatel | Lol yeah haha | 00:21 |
| Macer | because it sucked total balls | 00:21 |
| AakashPatel | Eh this cant suck to many balls | 00:21 |
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| Macer | i'll wait and see how people react to the n900 before getting one | 00:21 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: your gay touchbook didnt even have prototype vids or anything | 00:22 |
| AakashPatel | you're a total dumbass | 00:22 |
| AakashPatel | :P | 00:22 |
| zerojay | lol | 00:22 |
| Macer | :-P yes it did | 00:22 |
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| Macer | they showed a FAKE touch interface | 00:22 |
| AakashPatel | okay, the oens the company posted | 00:22 |
| AakashPatel | of nothing | 00:22 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 00:22 |
| Macer | that realistically did nothing! | 00:22 |
| Macer | hahaha | 00:22 |
| Macer | it had static pics for battery and wifi! | 00:22 |
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| serenity | is wallpapercreator not available in -devel anymore? | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | welcome to marketing | 00:22 |
| Macer | i was able to get ubuntu on it though | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: lol. | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: :/ | 00:22 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 00:22 |
| Macer | :) | 00:22 |
| Macer | well.. actually. meiz made the image. but it worked | 00:23 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: haha | 00:23 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: yeah i guess so | 00:23 |
| Macer | did it get there yet? :) | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: customs notice was delivered, yeah | 00:23 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: ah . awesome | 00:23 |
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| Macer | maybe you dev geeks can do something with that piece of shit :) | 00:24 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, it's the evil cabal at work again. | 00:24 |
| Macer | i'm sure in a few months he will be running skynet from his fridge | 00:24 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 00:24 |
| javispedro | fortunately, the fansites I know are still discussing MaemoItalia's bricked N900 video | 00:25 |
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| Macer | maemoitalia's? | 00:25 |
| Macer | how did it get bricked? | 00:25 |
| Macer | cosmic rays? :) | 00:25 |
| AakashPatel | :0 | 00:25 |
| javispedro | how I'd know? | 00:25 |
| type_t | whats the topic..? | 00:25 |
| Macer | from the fan sites? :) | 00:26 |
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| AakashPatel | er what | 00:26 |
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| AakashPatel | i screwed up my topic | 00:26 |
| suihkulokki | Macer: now, since companies are plotting on replacing barcodes with rfid tags, you could soon run a cluster in your fridge.. | 00:26 |
| Macer | suihkulokki: haha | 00:26 |
| Macer | cell rfid tags? :) | 00:27 |
| type_t | TOPIC IS WHO Created This Channel. and For Whom.? | 00:27 |
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| Macer | i should turn on my n810 :) | 00:27 |
| Macer | too bad it's not a wimax edition | 00:27 |
| AakashPatel | i cant see my topic now | 00:27 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 00:27 |
| AakashPatel | brb | 00:27 |
| Macer | i'd sell it for $1000 | 00:27 |
| AakashPatel | gotta restart this client | 00:27 |
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| serenity | is wallpapercreator not available in -devel anymore? | 00:28 |
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| Macer | serenity was an awesome movie | 00:28 |
| serenity | Macer: my nick is much older than the movie is | 00:28 |
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| AakashPatel | yay | 00:28 |
| serenity | it's my normal state of mind | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | serenity: http://xkcd.com/212/ ? | 00:29 |
| Macer | lies! | 00:29 |
| serenity | SpeedEvil: sth like that | 00:29 |
| serenity | want to create a wallpaper, but with wpcreator it's more fun, than fire up gimp | 00:31 |
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| GAN900 | serenity, PR1.1 will handle cutting automatically. | 00:32 |
| serenity | oh nice | 00:32 |
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| AakashPatel | Macer: FIX OUR ROUTER | 00:35 |
| AakashPatel | YOU | 00:36 |
| AakashPatel | R | 00:36 |
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| asidjazz | theres no widget for email? | 00:41 |
| asidjazz | rly? | 00:41 |
| GAN900 | AakashPatel, only if you fix your keyboard. | 00:41 |
| asidjazz | how come installed widgets dont sohw up in the widget list on the desktop menu | 00:42 |
| AakashPatel | GAN900: Dude I make so many typo's it's not even funny lol | 00:42 |
| GAN900 | asidjazz, are they on another desktop? | 00:42 |
| asidjazz | nope | 00:42 |
| asidjazz | all empty | 00:42 |
| GAN900 | You can't add dupes. :/ | 00:42 |
| GAN900 | Huh | 00:42 |
| AakashPatel | Why is there sales tax when I buy from nokia's site | 00:42 |
| asidjazz | i mean widgets i installed after | 00:42 |
| GAN900 | Restart? | 00:42 |
| asidjazz | ok ill restart | 00:42 |
| asidjazz | hows the battery on this thing? | 00:43 |
| GAN900 | AakashPatel, cause they do business in your state. | 00:43 |
| asidjazz | it last prety long? | 00:43 |
| lcuk | i misread that entire line then and wondered why he was installing midgets | 00:43 |
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| AakashPatel | GAN900: :0 | 00:43 |
| AakashPatel | Missouri? haha | 00:43 |
| AakashPatel | Who would do business here! | 00:43 |
| GAN900 | AakashPatel, Bright Point, apparently. | 00:43 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, because you're a creeper. | 00:43 |
| AakashPatel | Is that the company that fulfills orders or smething? | 00:44 |
| qwerty12_N900 | GAN900: You can, actually. Add X-Multiple=true to the applet's desktop file. | 00:44 |
| AakashPatel | Haha, When you buy the ADP1, the company that fills those orders is "Bright Star" | 00:44 |
| * javispedro considers a week of no tmo | 00:45 | |
| asidjazz | lol midgets | 00:46 |
| asidjazz | so srsly no email widget eh? | 00:46 |
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| yuizy | nor email midgets | 00:46 |
| Macer_ | WELL | 00:47 |
| Macer_ | guess that worked :) | 00:48 |
| Macer_ | haha | 00:48 |
| Macer_ | AakashPatel: thanks | 00:48 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: :P | 00:48 |
| AakashPatel | yep | 00:48 |
| Macer_ | bbl. have to set up all my port forwards again :( | 00:48 |
| AakashPatel | k | 00:48 |
| Macer_ | thanks again though. that worked out nicely | 00:48 |
| AakashPatel | Yep no prob man | 00:48 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, it feels good. | 00:48 |
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| asidjazz | how do you zoom in on photos | 00:49 |
| javispedro | stress is like a drug | 00:49 |
| AakashPatel | you smoke some more everyday.. | 00:49 |
| javispedro | it destroys you but sometimes you want more and go to tmo ;) | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N900 | ...and get a giggle out of some of the lunacy | 00:50 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 00:51 |
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| javispedro | I like that for the first time ever in TMO | 00:52 |
| javispedro | the conspirators are ourselves and not Nokia. | 00:53 |
| javispedro | WE are the ones hiding the knowledge! | 00:53 |
| javispedro | how dare we! | 00:53 |
| serenity | asidjazz: via the volume buttons | 00:53 |
| asidjazz | volume buttons are just going to other images | 00:53 |
| qwerty12_N900 | I wish Reggie would just ban the guy for asking where ROMs can be found from in the first place | 00:54 |
| serenity | asidjazz: should not | 00:54 |
| GAN900 | The mods really need to step it up. | 00:54 |
| GAN900 | Kick some ass. | 00:54 |
| lcuk | historical threads too? | 00:54 |
| javispedro | Like the mods on IRC do >:) | 00:54 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: ChanServ is awesome; don't you dare be knocking him/her! | 00:55 |
| javispedro | /kickall | 00:55 |
| qwerty12_N900 | #idonthaveann900... Good times | 00:55 |
| lcuk | /kickass | 00:56 |
| lcuk | /chewbubblegum | 00:56 |
| javispedro | the best channel in the entire known universe | 00:56 |
| asidjazz | alright whats the app called that adds more services to conversation | 00:56 |
| javispedro | AakashPatel: no offense ;) | 00:56 |
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| AakashPatel | Haha what? | 00:57 |
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| javispedro | ah, I guess you didn't read the topic, which was directed to evilQwerty. in which case, don't mind ;) | 00:57 |
| AakashPatel | Oh haha | 00:57 |
| GAN900 | telepathy-extras | 00:58 |
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| serenity | asidjazz: what service do you need? | 00:58 |
| serenity | account-plugin-haze should cover the most | 00:59 |
| AakashPatel | what protocols does haze have? | 00:59 |
| serenity | aim, gadugadu, groupwise, icq, msn, qq, sametime, yahoo | 01:00 |
| AakashPatel | ah | 01:00 |
| AakashPatel | google talk? | 01:00 |
| serenity | google talk is iirc built-in | 01:00 |
| AakashPatel | ah | 01:00 |
| AakashPatel | When is facebook chat coming again? | 01:00 |
| AakashPatel | someoen said but i forgot | 01:01 |
| serenity | dunno | 01:01 |
| AakashPatel | hm ok | 01:01 |
| AakashPatel | np | 01:01 |
| mikhas | extras-devel is up again it seems? | 01:01 |
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| serenity | mikhas: was it down? | 01:01 |
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| AakashPatel | earlier today it was | 01:02 |
| AakashPatel | apparently | 01:02 |
| serenity | ah | 01:02 |
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| Macer | AakashPatel: hey. you ever overclock your wrt? | 01:04 |
| Macer | :) | 01:04 |
| AakashPatel | Yeah lol | 01:04 |
| Macer | there's an overclock option in ddwrt | 01:04 |
| Macer | how high did you go before it started to melt? | 01:04 |
| AakashPatel | and make it go upto 251mW | 01:04 |
| AakashPatel | hah | 01:04 |
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| Macer | there's a signal boost too? | 01:04 |
| Macer | where's that at? :) | 01:04 |
| AakashPatel | In advanced wireless settings | 01:04 |
| Macer | how high did you put your cpu? | 01:05 |
| AakashPatel | mines at default | 01:05 |
| AakashPatel | I dont need it any higher | 01:05 |
| Macer | hm. the extra distance might help me out a bit | 01:05 |
| Macer | but i suppose that's not that big a deal considering clients probably can't reach that far | 01:06 |
| AakashPatel | Yeah | 01:06 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: on the n900 you can change the output ;) | 01:06 |
| Macer | heh | 01:07 |
| Macer | it's at 70 by default | 01:07 |
| AakashPatel | Yeah | 01:07 |
| Macer | will boosting it cause problems? :) | 01:07 |
| AakashPatel | over a certain threshold | 01:07 |
| Macer | like 251 ? :-P | 01:07 |
| Macer | haha | 01:07 |
| AakashPatel | Hah yes | 01:07 |
| AakashPatel | that'll probably melt it | 01:08 |
| * Macer pictures airplanes crashing into his house | 01:08 | |
| AakashPatel | (literally) | 01:08 |
| AakashPatel | LOL | 01:08 |
| GAN900 | Macer, don't go above 71mw | 01:08 |
| Macer | blah. i'll leave it alone :) | 01:08 |
| AakashPatel | it'll run fine at 100mW wont it? | 01:08 |
| GAN900 | The signal can actually get worse past that point. | 01:08 |
| Macer | GAN900: why? radio stations will start to call me up saying'you're messing up our broadcast!" | 01:09 |
| GAN900 | No | 01:09 |
| GAN900 | The radio will cook itself and the noise level goes way up. ;) | 01:09 |
| serenity | and you can watch your battery melting | 01:09 |
| asidjazz | serenity: i cant find that in my apps manager | 01:09 |
| asidjazz | serenity: which catalog is that in? | 01:09 |
| AakashPatel | GAN900: why is the n900 set at 100mW's then? | 01:09 |
| Macer | hehe | 01:10 |
| GAN900 | asidjazz, telepathy-extras in extras devel | 01:10 |
| serenity | asidjazz: extras-devel for a reason ;) | 01:10 |
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| asidjazz | extras devel is not wanting to be added | 01:10 |
| GAN900 | Aakash, er, WRT, not N900 | 01:10 |
| asidjazz | i get some kinda hash error | 01:10 |
| AakashPatel | GAN900: Eh yeah, but its still 100mW's | 01:10 |
| AakashPatel | Erm, maybe its differnt by differnt radios | 01:11 |
| crashanddie_ | asidjazz, you're the hash error | 01:11 |
| AakashPatel | Haha | 01:11 |
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| GAN900 | Aakashi, yeah . . . and the N900 radio spends WAY less time on. | 01:11 |
| GAN900 | Not comparable. | 01:11 |
| AakashPatel | I see. | 01:11 |
| GAN900 | asidjazz, wait for your Akamai mirror to work again. | 01:12 |
| asidjazz | akamai? not fremantle? | 01:12 |
| crashanddie_ | lol... | 01:12 |
| qwerty12_N900 | *facepalm* | 01:12 |
| crashanddie_ | asidjazz, If you use the Internet for anything - to download music or software, check the headlines, book a flight - you've probably used Akamai's services without even knowing it. We play a critical role in getting content from providers to consumers. | 01:13 |
| crashanddie_ | (from their website) | 01:13 |
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| AakashPatel | you guys make the pretty ponies! | 01:13 |
| asidjazz | i konw what akamai is i thougth that mighta been a distribution name as well | 01:13 |
| crashanddie_ | PONIES | 01:13 |
| GAN900 | asidjazz, mirroring network. | 01:13 |
| AakashPatel | oh wait | 01:13 |
| AakashPatel | thats something else | 01:13 |
| AakashPatel | :/ | 01:13 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 01:13 |
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| GAN900 | Distribution should be blank. | 01:14 |
| serenity | akamai is a content service provider | 01:14 |
| GAN900 | Generally, anyway. | 01:14 |
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| AakashPatel | yeah | 01:14 |
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| AakashPatel | i was thinking of the wrong company | 01:14 |
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| asidjazz | i can install haze via apt-get since extras-devel is down? | 01:15 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, I ordered Assassin's Creed II for $15 from Amazon. | 01:15 |
| AakashPatel | Thats freakin cheap | 01:15 |
| GAN900 | Bunch of store credits floating around from promotion stuff. | 01:16 |
| AakashPatel | I see | 01:16 |
| * javispedro dies of laughing | 01:16 | |
| javispedro | did you see the latest tmo post? | 01:17 |
| asidjazz | tried rootsh apt-get install account-plugin-haze | 01:17 |
| asidjazz | nothi | 01:17 |
| javispedro | on the "evil knowledge hiders" topic | 01:17 |
| javispedro | asidjazz: "extras" is the name of the repo. if it's down, apt-get won't work either. | 01:17 |
| asidjazz | i have extras | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: aharharhar | 01:17 |
| asidjazz | serenity said its in extras-devel | 01:17 |
| javispedro | asidjazz: by extras Imean extras, extras-testing and extras-devel :) | 01:18 |
| javispedro | this tmo guy is a total expert in skim reading | 01:18 |
| asidjazz | it looks up and find http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/install/ | 01:18 |
| asidjazz | fine* | 01:18 |
| asidjazz | can i give apt-get a url to the actual file or somethign? | 01:18 |
| javispedro | can anyone confirm extras-devel is down? | 01:19 |
| javispedro | WORKSFORME in n810 | 01:19 |
| asidjazz | yea it doesnt look down | 01:19 |
| asidjazz | i put in http://repository.maemo.rg/extras-devel , fremantle, free non-free | 01:20 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900, nice | 01:20 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900, I gave my copy to one of my colleagues | 01:20 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: It's down for me | 01:20 |
| asidjazz | no hash entry in release file /var/lib/apt/lists.new/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle_Release | 01:20 |
| javispedro | asidjazz: so it's down. then wait until tomorrow. | 01:20 |
| asidjazz | thats like years from now | 01:21 |
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| crashanddie_ | actually, it's just a few hours | 01:21 |
| * qwerty12_N900 predicts extras-testing will become the next extras-devel. Its downtime is getting to an annoyingly stupid point | 01:21 | |
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| javispedro | wasn't the new hardware coming? | 01:21 |
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| javispedro | but somehow I think this WON'T be fixed by hw alone | 01:22 |
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| johnx | mornin' all | 01:23 |
| javispedro | moo | 01:23 |
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| asidjazz | qwerty12_N900: how long has it been down for u? | 01:24 |
| moo-_- | yes javispedro | 01:24 |
| moo-_- | :P | 01:24 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: Ping | 01:24 |
| qwerty12_N900 | asidjazz: A couple of hours. Before that, it was working... | 01:24 |
| javispedro | moo-_-, I'm afraid you have choosen quite an unfortunate nick. | 01:24 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Morning, johnx | 01:24 |
| rm_you| | morning johnx | 01:24 |
| moo-_- | well.. on other channels people have strength to type full "good morning" :) | 01:24 |
| asidjazz | im trying to add it from garage.maemo link | 01:25 |
| qwerty12_N900 | moo-_-: This is #maemo. We act differently | 01:25 |
| moo-_- | well at least I will greeted often ;) | 01:25 |
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| AakashPatel | MORNING moo-_- | 01:27 |
| * AakashPatel had to greet him | 01:27 | |
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| * moo-_- bleaches and goes to the greener pastures | 01:27 | |
| AakashPatel | california | 01:28 |
| javispedro | california, greener? O.o | 01:28 |
| AakashPatel | lawl | 01:28 |
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| asidjazz | whats that app called that ive seen thats a slider to unlock ur desktop | 01:28 |
| asidjazz | or is that biult in | 01:28 |
| javispedro | jmknnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn | 01:28 |
| AakashPatel | o.o | 01:28 |
| asidjazz | fyi i want to have sex w/ this phone | 01:28 |
| AakashPatel | cat? | 01:28 |
| andre__ | javispedro, your N key is broken. | 01:28 |
| AakashPatel | hah | 01:28 |
| javispedro | head banging, sorry. | 01:29 |
| AakashPatel | asidjazz: Okay................... | 01:29 |
| moo-_- | N900 keyboard lacks one critical key: Windows key | 01:29 |
| asidjazz | new | 01:29 |
| asidjazz | ew* | 01:29 |
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| javispedro | asidjazz: it's builtin,but I don't know how to launch it | 01:29 |
| qwerty12_N900 | asidjazz: Just lock the phone using the slider on its right side? | 01:30 |
| AakashPatel | Thats cooler anyways | 01:30 |
| AakashPatel | Easier to use | 01:30 |
| johnx | the windows key is awesome on laptops | 01:30 |
| asidjazz | qwerty12_N900: i wanna see theapp though | 01:31 |
| qwerty12_N900 | asidjazz: As javispedro said: It's built in! | 01:32 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Lock it and press the power key | 01:32 |
| asidjazz | oh lol | 01:33 |
| asidjazz | LOL | 01:33 |
| asidjazz | sick VIM | 01:33 |
| asidjazz | damn 7mb | 01:33 |
| asidjazz | whats this thign got 32gb? | 01:33 |
| AakashPatel | yessuh | 01:33 |
| asidjazz | hawt | 01:34 |
| AakashPatel | expandable with a 16GB sd :0 | 01:34 |
| asidjazz | i wouldnt be surprised if it had a ketchup dispensor and an umbrella pops out of the stylist hole | 01:34 |
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| AakashPatel | lol | 01:34 |
| GAN900 | johnx, gotta get one of afb's Penguin stickers for the Win key. | 01:34 |
| asidjazz | fyi u can install catalogs by browsing to https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/install/ | 01:34 |
| asidjazz | tell noobs that, saves time. | 01:35 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900, I'm really trying to be less of a troll on tmo | 01:35 |
| asidjazz | the key it needs is a 'your key' | 01:35 |
| asidjazz | like the e90 had | 01:35 |
| crashanddie_ | asidjazz, interesting you should say | 01:35 |
| asidjazz | u make the key anything u want | 01:35 |
| johnx | GAN900, eh. I actually use it as a "window manager operations" meta-key, so the silly little compiz wobbly window that's already on it works well enough :) | 01:35 |
| asidjazz | crashanddie_: why cuz im a noob? | 01:35 |
| asidjazz | crashanddie_: ive had the phone 2hrs gimme a break :) | 01:35 |
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| crashanddie_ | asidjazz, was actually a charlie parker reference, nevermind | 01:36 |
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| AakashPatel | asidjazz: | 01:37 |
| asidjazz | ah | 01:37 |
| AakashPatel | are you shitting me? lol | 01:37 |
| AakashPatel | you bought the phone without loookin at the specs? | 01:37 |
| AakashPatel | 600 dollar device | 01:37 |
| asidjazz | AakashPatel: i just forgot | 01:38 |
| asidjazz | see how i like guessed it.. | 01:38 |
| Macer | i think i might have to boost the cpu a bit | 01:38 |
| Macer | i wonder how well the wrt can handle it | 01:38 |
| johnx | Macer, to do what? | 01:38 |
| asidjazz | there a bash package? | 01:38 |
| Macer | to help the wrt handle its routing | 01:39 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: fire | 01:39 |
| AakashPatel | thats what you'll get | 01:39 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 01:39 |
| Macer | haha | 01:39 |
| GAN900 | I love how everybody on Talk just stoops right down. | 01:39 |
| johnx | Macer, what kind of internet connection do you have? | 01:39 |
| asidjazz | oh its ash | 01:40 |
| AakashPatel | some killer connection | 01:40 |
| AakashPatel | :P | 01:40 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900, how so? | 01:40 |
| asidjazz | does ash obey .ashrc | 01:40 |
| asidjazz | can i set aliases | 01:40 |
| johnx | Macer, smallnetbuilder has a graph of routers and how fast they can do NAT | 01:41 |
| johnx | but yeah, the WRT54G/GS/GL is getting pretty long in the tooth at this point | 01:41 |
| asidjazz | hoew do i paste :) | 01:41 |
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| johnx | menu -> paste | 01:42 |
| AakashPatel | i thought there was a short cut | 01:42 |
| AakashPatel | control V doesnt do it? | 01:42 |
| AakashPatel | also? | 01:42 |
| johnx | in most apps it does, but not in the terminal | 01:43 |
| AakashPatel | OH | 01:43 |
| johnx | ctrl+v and ctrl+c are reserved for the shell | 01:43 |
| AakashPatel | i thought we were talkin about a reg app | 01:43 |
| Hydroxide | yeah, ctrl-v generally has other meanings in a unix terminal | 01:43 |
| AakashPatel | Yeah i know | 01:43 |
| crashanddie_ | can we stop talking about unix? | 01:43 |
| johnx | to be honest I have no idea what app we're talking about, but I saw people talking about ash...so I assumed terminal | 01:44 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, I suspect it probably would've been more productive to address this p.articular troll's issues more directly. | 01:44 |
| AakashPatel | hah what | 01:44 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900, link? | 01:44 |
| AakashPatel | crashanddie_ doesnt liek unix? | 01:44 |
| asidjazz | AakashPatel: not in terminal | 01:44 |
| GAN900 | crashandie_, even if it doesn't convince him at least it doesn't bring us down to his level. | 01:44 |
| GAN900 | The "knowledge hoarding conspiracy" thread. | 01:44 |
| AakashPatel | lol can you post a link? | 01:45 |
| crashanddie_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4141490517/sizes/l/ | 01:45 |
| asidjazz | so no putty for maemo yet i assume | 01:45 |
| crashanddie_ | putty? | 01:45 |
| AakashPatel | of the forum link :P | 01:45 |
| asidjazz | i guess terminal and ssh will do | 01:45 |
| asidjazz | need to setup an authorized key | 01:45 |
| Hydroxide | asidjazz: just use OpenSSH from the terminal. though I guess someone could port putty - it is in debian | 01:45 |
| crashanddie_ | why would you want putty on linux? | 01:45 |
| AakashPatel | putty? thats for windows is it not? | 01:45 |
| asidjazz | the putty for symbian s5 is awesome Hydroxide .. on ly reason i asked | 01:45 |
| asidjazz | touch screen scrolling etc | 01:45 |
| qwerty12_N900 | It comes in a GTK 2 form, too | 01:45 |
| Hydroxide | crashanddie_, AakashPatel: it does have a linux version. | 01:45 |
| mikhas | crashanddie_, but it has a UI! | 01:46 |
| AakashPatel | o.O | 01:46 |
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| Hydroxide | it can be nice to manage settings and saved sessions via the GUI | 01:46 |
| crashanddie_ | a UI to do what, exactly? | 01:46 |
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| AakashPatel | crashanddie_: same question here... | 01:46 |
| Hydroxide | and it can change settings during a running session more easily | 01:46 |
| mikhas | what Hydroxide said | 01:46 |
| AakashPatel | Oh | 01:46 |
| crashanddie_ | just create a shortcut? | 01:46 |
| AakashPatel | psh yeah | 01:46 |
| AakashPatel | *scrolls up in terminal* | 01:46 |
| johnx | the terminal on maemo5 already has touch scrolling | 01:46 |
| AakashPatel | i dont know | 01:46 |
| Hydroxide | and you can easily make a desktop icon to launch a given session. believe me I usually use OpenSSH on linux myself, but I can see how both have their place | 01:46 |
| AakashPatel | johnx: dont hold me to it lol | 01:47 |
| AakashPatel | oh wait | 01:47 |
| AakashPatel | was that a statement | 01:47 |
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| johnx | yup | 01:47 |
| AakashPatel | oh hehe | 01:47 |
| johnx | it's a really nice terminal actually | 01:47 |
| AakashPatel | Awesome | 01:47 |
| crashanddie_ | AakashPatel, sentences without a question mark are usually statements | 01:47 |
| johnx | was quite impressed with how nice it behaves | 01:47 |
| GAN900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35345 | 01:47 |
| johnx | crashanddie_, not a safe assumption when reading thins I write is it | 01:47 |
| AakashPatel | crashanddie_: I read over it really fast and thought it was a quetsoin :/ | 01:47 |
| andre__ | talk.maemo.org needs a "[ ] Don't ever again show me postings by this user" setting next to all names. Would save me some time | 01:47 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900, oh, that | 01:47 |
| GAN900 | Aakash, that | 01:48 |
| crashanddie_ | johnx, you write in thins? | 01:48 |
| qwerty12_N900 | andre__: Ignore =) | 01:48 |
| AakashPatel | ah | 01:48 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm just going to start reporting everyone as troll | 01:49 |
| johnx | AakashPatel, actually, I can picture a neat little command to easily take a command and make a .desktop file that launches it in a terminal | 01:49 |
| andre__ | qwerty12_N900, or directly " [ ] -> /dev/null". | 01:49 |
| AakashPatel | johnx: Yeah, who needs PuTTY! | 01:49 |
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| AakashPatel | we got terminal shortcuts | 01:49 |
| AakashPatel | Hell yeah | 01:49 |
| johnx | AakashPatel, well, we don't yet :) but it would be straightforward I think | 01:50 |
| AakashPatel | Eh yeah, shouldnt be too terribly hard to implement | 01:50 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, somebody needs to propose more active moderation. | 01:52 |
| AakashPatel | Seriously :/ | 01:52 |
| * javispedro is an evil genius | 01:53 | |
| andre__ | GAN900: what exactly does moderation mean, in contrast to e.g. censorship? asking because that term is quite wide... | 01:54 |
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| asidjazz | sweet got my authorized key on my phone to my irc box | 01:54 |
| asidjazz | so ssh w/out pword | 01:54 |
| asidjazz | is there an rc file ash follows? | 01:54 |
| asidjazz | i wanna add some aliases on the phone | 01:54 |
| javispedro | andre__: it doesn't matter. were already being accused of censuring ;) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=398248 | 01:55 |
| AakashPatel | andre__: I think he means to just get rid of useless posts liek that | 01:55 |
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| andre__ | i think i agree. | 01:55 |
| johnx | asidjazz, follows /etc/profile. should also look at ~/.profile | 01:55 |
| asidjazz | graci | 01:56 |
| asidjazz | johnx: nope | 01:56 |
| asidjazz | johnx: put an alias in there, didnt run | 01:56 |
| asidjazz | also theres no 'source' command | 01:57 |
| johnx | what about: . sourceme.sh | 01:57 |
| johnx | ? | 01:57 |
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| asidjazz | newp | 01:58 |
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| GAN900 | Stupid thing. | 01:58 |
| GAN900 | andre__, more active thread merging and locking | 01:58 |
| GAN900 | Lower threshold for issuing warnings. | 01:58 |
| johnx | asidjazz, wait? no source command? I seem to have one | 01:59 |
| johnx | I also have . command | 02:00 |
| cehteh | 'source' should be buildin in the shell and not exist as command somewhere | 02:01 |
| asidjazz | odd | 02:01 |
| asidjazz | i even put the alias in /etc/profile | 02:01 |
| asidjazz | nothin | 02:01 |
| johnx | GAN900, as long as we're getting wishes: I want full threading | 02:01 |
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| johnx | asidjazz, what happens if you type source /path/to/file from the commandline? | 02:01 |
| asidjazz | i put alias scn='ssh test@test.com' | 02:02 |
| javispedro | oh no, he's still posting. | 02:02 |
| asidjazz | johnx: no errors, sorry i guess i misspelled source before bu ti have it | 02:02 |
| GAN900 | johnx, you want the moon. | 02:02 |
| johnx | GAN900, well yeah, but I'll be ok with full threading for now. the moon can wait until we can deorbit it safely | 02:02 |
| AakashPatel | GIMME THE SAUCE | 02:02 |
| johnx | asidjazz, it looks like you need to use source with the full path to the file | 02:03 |
| asidjazz | tried that | 02:03 |
| andre__ | later.... | 02:03 |
| asidjazz | no alias | 02:03 |
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| asidjazz | if itype in the alias manually it works | 02:03 |
| GAN900 | johnx, the Koreans already did it. | 02:03 |
| GAN900 | johnx, see The Onion News Network. | 02:03 |
| johnx | GAN900, slashdot did it too | 02:03 |
| asidjazz | whats hte pw for user via ssh | 02:04 |
| asidjazz | or just hte pword for user | 02:04 |
| johnx | asidjazz, locked account by default, IIRC | 02:05 |
| asidjazz | ah k | 02:05 |
| johnx | get root and then type passwd user | 02:05 |
| AakashPatel | If i order my n900 from nokia tomorrow, is there a good chance it'll ship out monday? | 02:05 |
| asidjazz | done | 02:05 |
| asidjazz | i dont understand why we use rootsh when sudo is built in | 02:05 |
| asidjazz | lol AakashPatel no | 02:06 |
| AakashPatel | why not? | 02:06 |
| AakashPatel | They're "in stock" lol | 02:06 |
| asidjazz | rad | 02:06 |
| asidjazz | ssh'ed onto my phone | 02:06 |
| asidjazz | oo we got top | 02:06 |
| asidjazz | BogoMIPS : 499.92 | 02:07 |
| asidjazz | nice | 02:07 |
| Macer | blah | 02:08 |
| johnx | asidjazz, it's one of those things where we're trying not to mess with the default config too much | 02:08 |
| AakashPatel | asidjazz: hm lemme check that on my HTC Dream lol | 02:08 |
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| asidjazz | AakashPatel: whats hte dream run android? | 02:09 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 02:09 |
| asidjazz | AakashPatel: keep up to date w/ the shipping thread on talk.maeom | 02:09 |
| javispedro | bogomips is hardly a measure of performance | 02:09 |
| AakashPatel | Link? | 02:09 |
| GAN900 | We need an N900 Haiku thread. | 02:09 |
| asidjazz | 'who' shows on users | 02:09 |
| asidjazz | when i got like 3 shells open lol | 02:09 |
| rm_you| | try "w"? | 02:09 |
| johnx | hey rm_you| :D | 02:10 |
| rm_you| | dunno if it is on device | 02:10 |
| rm_you| | sup johnx | 02:10 |
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| rm_you| | i said morning earlier :P | 02:10 |
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| johnx | rm_you|, I ignored you earlier | 02:10 |
| rm_you | been poking around agan | 02:10 |
| rm_you | *again | 02:10 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:10 |
| rm_you | yes :P | 02:10 |
| johnx | "poking around"? | 02:10 |
| asidjazz | k we need php+gtk on tihs thing | 02:11 |
| asidjazz | stat | 02:11 |
| rm_you | erm | 02:11 |
| rm_you | just saying hi and fixing random bits | 02:11 |
| rm_you | packrat is back up and working with fremantle | 02:11 |
| johnx | keen | 02:11 |
| johnx | that'll be nice to have back | 02:11 |
| rm_you | http://www.ageofikon.info/packrat/ | 02:12 |
| AakashPatel | asidjazz: ohly feck | 02:12 |
| AakashPatel | that thraed is huge | 02:12 |
| asidjazz | AakashPatel: just go tot he end | 02:12 |
| asidjazz | go to the last page | 02:12 |
| asidjazz | back up a couple pages | 02:12 |
| asidjazz | i guess i should uninstall sshd after im done w/ this | 02:12 |
| asidjazz | since itll prolly eat up battery | 02:13 |
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| AakashPatel | D: | 02:13 |
| * AakashPatel wonders how long it will be before his ships then | 02:13 | |
| asidjazz | so when i have contacts open | 02:14 |
| asidjazz | w/ no kb | 02:14 |
| asidjazz | i have no virtual kb? | 02:14 |
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| johnx | asidjazz, turn it on in the control panel -> input | 02:15 |
| johnx | and I've been running opensshd constantly since october 10/12 | 02:15 |
| AakashPatel | some dude ordered his on staurday and shipped tuesday | 02:15 |
| AakashPatel | :0 | 02:15 |
| AakashPatel | thats a good sign | 02:15 |
| asidjazz | gtraci | 02:15 |
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| asidjazz | johnx: its on now .. where does it pop up? | 02:16 |
| johnx | asidjazz, huh? which screen are you looking at? the main contacts screen with the search bar at the top? | 02:17 |
| johnx | oh, I see | 02:18 |
| johnx | no search bar | 02:18 |
| johnx | yeah. I guess no virtual keyboard for you in that case | 02:18 |
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| asidjazz | lol search bar? | 02:19 |
| asidjazz | yea this sucks | 02:19 |
| asidjazz | hopefully theyll fix this soon | 02:19 |
| lardman | hmm, maemojedi....... | 02:20 |
| johnx | lardman, this would be the reason I want an "ignore thread" | 02:20 |
| lardman | yeah | 02:21 |
| lardman | has he done anything useful in the 29 or so days he's been a member I wonder? | 02:21 |
| lardman | been thanked a few times | 02:21 |
| crashanddie_ | sent a shitload of PMs | 02:21 |
| lardman | is he a Nintendo ringer? | 02:21 |
| johnx | I think he just hangs out in warez forums and really doesn't understand why we don't "loosen up" | 02:22 |
| johnx | though it doesn't help that people responded to his trolls | 02:22 |
| lardman | I will repsond, then I will destroy him | 02:23 |
| asidjazz | is there an internet radio app yet | 02:23 |
| lardman | in a metaphorical removing from the db sort of way | 02:23 |
| asidjazz | or somtehign to stream shoutcast or something | 02:23 |
| lardman | hmm, /me thinks that perhaps banning people when he's not in a good mood is a bad plan | 02:24 |
| johnx | asidjazz, canola+last.fm | 02:24 |
| lardman | perhaps a raincheck | 02:24 |
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| johnx | lardman, yeah. I can see that one ending badly | 02:25 |
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| lardman | well not for me :) | 02:25 |
| johnx | I wish people would leave him alone until he gets bored | 02:25 |
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| lardman | I have the same odd masochistic urge to argue with trolls though | 02:25 |
| javispedro | the issue is that this will happen again | 02:25 |
| lardman | yeah | 02:26 |
| lardman | I'll ignore it | 02:26 |
| johnx | it's such a fertile ground for trolling right now | 02:26 |
| lardman | it's really become a waste of time looking at TMO, is a shame | 02:26 |
| lardman | we should perhaps alter the forum rules so that those with <250 karma can only post in some forums | 02:27 |
| lardman | or perhaps not so high, but that sort of thing | 02:27 |
| lardman | ;) | 02:27 |
| javispedro | and I believe this eternal september won't end | 02:27 |
| javispedro | not really, cause you force users to post into the "wouldbe" idiot forum before posting into the "wouldbe" enlightened forum | 02:27 |
| johnx | lots of new fanboys trying to prove loyalty, lots of people who won't search, and lots of people who are cranky about all the noise | 02:28 |
| lardman | I'm in the latter group I admit | 02:28 |
| pupnik_ | just search the noise | 02:28 |
| lardman | takes time though | 02:28 |
| pupnik_ | adapt to higher noise board | 02:28 |
| pupnik_ | yup | 02:28 |
| johnx | we need: full threading (let off-topic arms of the thread die out in silence), an "ignore thread" button, and the active topics to not include offtopic/for sale | 02:29 |
| rm_you | I'm in a bad mood too right now T_T | 02:29 |
| lardman | hey rm_you :) | 02:29 |
| rm_you | totally unrelated to maemo: http://filenetworks.blogspot.com/2009/11/sct-tracker-scenetorrents-to-shut-down.html | 02:29 |
| johnx | rm_you, hmmm? forum related? | 02:29 |
| pupnik_ | it is no longer the comfy workshed of 2007, lardman | 02:29 |
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| javispedro | it is definitely not. | 02:29 |
| lardman | pupnik_: so true | 02:29 |
| johnx | rm_you, does that mean no more multi-part .rar files? | 02:30 |
| rm_you | johnx: T_T | 02:30 |
| javispedro | there's no damn way to have a damn discussion there without someone interrupting just to say (literally) "i don't know what you're doing but sounds interesting" or "when is this thing going to be shipped?" (in a thread about development on device) | 02:30 |
| rm_you | it means the death of the internet as I know it | 02:30 |
| rm_you | and 20,000 people in various places around the world all simultaniously saying "wtf" | 02:31 |
| lardman | I see mininova have just said they're pulling all illegal torrents | 02:31 |
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| AakashPatel | o.o really | 02:32 |
| rm_you | yep | 02:32 |
| AakashPatel | hm | 02:32 |
| johnx | javispedro, the former I don't mind most of the time, but I'm used to getting asked that at work everyday | 02:32 |
| rm_you | mininova is dead | 02:32 |
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| AakashPatel | thats very interesting | 02:32 |
| pupnik_ | i told u guys in oct secret meeting south korea | 02:32 |
| rm_you | LOOP got shut down | 02:32 |
| pupnik_ | game is changing | 02:32 |
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| lardman | pupnik_: lol :D | 02:32 |
| asidjazz | lol i got that lame dpulicate contacts thing again just like w/ syncing my symbian phones w/ outlook | 02:32 |
| asidjazz | great | 02:32 |
| pupnik_ | not much just a bit | 02:33 |
| lardman | AakashPatel: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8382012.stm | 02:33 |
| asidjazz | there a way to delete all my contacts and re-grab them all from exchange again? | 02:33 |
| pupnik_ | all changes happen at the margin, as economists like to say lardman | 02:33 |
| crashanddie_ | Weather: BRISBANE, QLD at 29th 10:04am: Temp 33.2°C, Humidity: 44%, Wind: N at 9 km/hr with gusts of 11 km/hr. Atmospheric Pressure: 1005.3 hPa. Rain: 0.0 mm. | 02:33 |
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| AakashPatel | lardman: They're goin down in a few weeks then lol | 02:33 |
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| crashanddie_ | what the hell happened there | 02:33 |
| lardman | I think you can delete all by tapping the menu, but I've no idea what will happen | 02:33 |
| pupnik_ | so when i say big change it is just a relatively big one | 02:33 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway, after those temperature readings, I just have one thing to add | 02:33 |
| crashanddie_ | TAKE THAT BITCHES | 02:33 |
| AakashPatel | what temp readings? lol | 02:34 |
| lardman | crashanddie_: not too bad humidity-wise | 02:34 |
| lardman | must be a lucky day ;) | 02:34 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman, better than the 120% humidity we've had in London over the past couple of days | 02:34 |
| lardman | well yeah, that's bad, but not as bad as with >40C temps ;) | 02:34 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman, I lived in Perpignan, I'll survive ;) | 02:35 |
| lardman | oh yeah | 02:35 |
| lardman | you'll love it I'm sure :) | 02:35 |
| AakashPatel | i've lived in 115 F degree temps | 02:35 |
| lardman | not that I've been to Brisbane, but Seoul was "pleasant" | 02:35 |
| AakashPatel | India ftw | 02:35 |
| AakashPatel | 46 C | 02:36 |
| * AakashPatel had to look it up | 02:36 | |
| AakashPatel | lol | 02:36 |
| lardman | I was in Delhi earlier in the year, in the spring I guess, was thankfully not too hot | 02:36 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway | 02:36 |
| AakashPatel | I went in the summer :( | 02:36 |
| lardman | only 35C | 02:36 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm flying to calif tomorrow | 02:36 |
| crashanddie_ | need to get some sleep, loads of things to do tomorrow morning | 02:37 |
| AakashPatel | crashanddie_: Cali is gonna be niceee weather | 02:37 |
| crashanddie_ | take care guys, see you on the other side of the planet | 02:37 |
| lardman | nighty-night, have a safe trip | 02:37 |
| AakashPatel | safe trip dude | 02:37 |
| crashanddie_ | ta | 02:37 |
| AakashPatel | peace. | 02:37 |
| johnx | crashanddie_, hey, stop by seattle on the way :) | 02:37 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 02:37 |
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| crashanddie_ | johnx, not really "on the way" | 02:38 |
| lardman | well, right direction at least | 02:38 |
| lardman | and you didn't say if you were going to north or south california ;) | 02:38 |
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| AakashPatel | Still real far away | 02:38 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 02:38 |
| johnx | crashanddie_, ah bummer. I can't remember but I think I even owe you a beer :) | 02:39 |
| AakashPatel | over 500 miles even if he's in north | 02:39 |
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| johnx | AakashPatel, psh, that's less than a day's drive | 02:39 |
| lardman | AakashPatel: but a blink of the eye in an aeroplane :) | 02:39 |
| AakashPatel | But who likes driving a day? | 02:39 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 02:39 |
| lardman | or an hour | 02:39 |
| AakashPatel | lardman: a few hundred blink | 02:39 |
| AakashPatel | s | 02:39 |
| AakashPatel | hah | 02:39 |
| johnx | lardman, kind of a long blink :) | 02:40 |
| lardman | yeah, dry eyes, etc | 02:40 |
| lardman | especially bad on the planes with the a/c | 02:40 |
| lardman | :) | 02:40 |
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| lardman | does each GTK widget has its own window? | 02:41 |
| lardman | what about Boxes? | 02:41 |
| javispedro | no, not all, that's what event boxes are for AFAIU | 02:41 |
| asidjazz | is there an acceleromoter in this thing? | 02:41 |
| lardman | hmm, I need to pass a plugin a widget into which it can pack items | 02:42 |
| johnx | asidjazz, yup | 02:42 |
| lardman | asidjazz: yeah | 02:42 |
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| asidjazz | when is maemo gonna use it :) | 02:42 |
| lardman | javispedro: but if I choose an HBox, for example, the plugin will probably need to create its own stuff and pack it in, was just wondering about overhead | 02:42 |
| asidjazz | im also ugessing google hasnt ported google maps to this yet? :) | 02:42 |
| lardman | asidjazz: it does; and no | 02:42 |
| asidjazz | lardman: where? i havent seen it yet | 02:43 |
| lardman | phone automatically turning on when you rotate, app rotation, etc | 02:43 |
| javispedro | lardman: osso-games-startup' plugin interface just allows you to return a single GtkWidget* and it will do whatever it wishes with it. | 02:43 |
| asidjazz | which apps rotate | 02:43 |
| asidjazz | a few? | 02:43 |
| johnx | asidjazz, image viewer, xournal, conboy | 02:43 |
| lardman | javispedro: what type is the widget it returns to the plugn? | 02:43 |
| johnx | phone will if you have it enabled | 02:44 |
| lardman | mbarcode ;) | 02:44 |
| asidjazz | oh i dont have it enabled by default? | 02:44 |
| javispedro | lardman: au the contraire, the plugin returns the widget. | 02:44 |
| asidjazz | hah | 02:44 |
| lardman | oh I see | 02:44 |
| lardman | javispedro: hmm, ok | 02:44 |
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| javispedro | lardman: o-g-s just puts it into its own vbox inside an hbox inside an ... | 02:44 |
| AakashPatel | I thought the dialer app and stuff pops up if you rotate | 02:44 |
| lardman | javispedro: yeah | 02:44 |
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| lardman | javispedro: I'm just thinking I might need to put the whole plugin in its own window, but of course I can do that if it returns a widget | 02:45 |
| lardman | AakashPatel: have to enable it in the phone app | 02:45 |
| AakashPatel | ah | 02:45 |
| javispedro | lardman: I like the approach indeed. | 02:45 |
| lardman | good good | 02:46 |
| * lardman cracks on with that | 02:46 | |
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| asidjazz | johnx: cant find conboy | 02:50 |
| asidjazz | i wish extras-devel worked :( | 02:50 |
| johnx | in extras | 02:50 |
| johnx | maybe extas-testing | 02:50 |
| johnx | extras-testing is a safer bet than extras-devel anyways | 02:50 |
| asidjazz | those all work | 02:50 |
| asidjazz | yea but the stuff i want is in -devel | 02:50 |
| lardman | what's up with extras-devel? | 02:50 |
| johnx | stupid "repository hash bla blah bleh" | 02:51 |
| asidjazz | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/conboy/ | 02:51 |
| asidjazz | whats conboy do | 02:51 |
| lardman | notes app iirc | 02:51 |
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| johnx | a really nice notes/desktop wiki | 02:52 |
| asidjazz | want | 02:52 |
| johnx | and it can sync with tomboy on the desktop | 02:52 |
| johnx | I think it's been in extras since like october ... | 02:52 |
| asidjazz | does the app maanger just install these .deb packages? | 02:57 |
| lardman | yes, should do | 02:58 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:58 |
| * lcuk waves | 02:58 | |
| asidjazz | so if i just wget these .deb files to the phone itself | 02:58 |
| asidjazz | and do a local debian pkg install | 02:58 |
| asidjazz | i should be fine? | 02:59 |
| johnx | allo lcuk | 02:59 |
| johnx | asidjazz, yeah, or if you just use apt-get | 02:59 |
| asidjazz | apt-get goes after hte repositories | 02:59 |
| lardman | yeah will be fine, but it won't handle the deps for you | 02:59 |
| asidjazz | so if a repo is down apt-get ownt work either | 02:59 |
| javispedro | can you please WAIT until the repository comes back | 03:00 |
| lcuk | javis, obviously in this case, waiting is not an option! | 03:00 |
| lcuk | perhaps it will never come back | 03:00 |
| lcuk | lardman, fsm still | 03:01 |
| lardman | :) | 03:01 |
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| lcuk | i thought we had new $deity by now | 03:01 |
| lardman | what was that thread about? | 03:02 |
| lardman | I've not looked at it again since | 03:02 |
| javispedro | the member I and andre were trying to help yesterday or two days ago or whatever days ago to install some .deb packages now has the _WEIRDEST_ setup I've ever seen with mixes of repos from all OS versions and some system packages being non installable | 03:02 |
| lcuk | i dunno i gave up caring | 03:02 |
| Klowner | stinkin' nokia's site charges sales tax | 03:02 |
| * lardman looks now | 03:02 | |
| lcuk | i just posted penguins and left | 03:02 |
| javispedro | I don't even know how his n900 is capable of booting... | 03:02 |
| lcuk | Klowner and you expected to become a fugitive? | 03:03 |
| Klowner | lcuk: eh? :) | 03:03 |
| lcuk | well if you dont pay your taxes you get arrested | 03:04 |
| lcuk | dont you | 03:04 |
| lcuk | thrown in the clink | 03:04 |
| lcuk | manual labour? | 03:04 |
| Klowner | yeah, but if you buy things online, typically sales tax doesn't apply, unless you're buying it from a company in the same state | 03:04 |
| asidjazz | wihch package is for the n900 ? armel? | 03:04 |
| Klowner | ie. Amazon charges me no sales tax | 03:04 |
| asidjazz | conboy_0.5.8_armel.deb ? | 03:04 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, urg | 03:04 |
| lcuk | asidjazz, learn to wget and apt-get | 03:05 |
| asidjazz | lol here goes ~/tmp $ rootsh dpkg -i conboy_0.5.8_armel.deb | 03:05 |
| lcuk | Klowner, do you pay tax on the goods you get? | 03:05 |
| asidjazz | lcuk: apt-get doesnt owrk w/ repos buddy | 03:05 |
| asidjazz | when repos are down* | 03:05 |
| asidjazz | also the phone has no wget | 03:05 |
| Klowner | lcuk: only if I buy them in my state | 03:06 |
| lcuk | strange i use it often | 03:06 |
| lcuk | mustv got it from a maemo.org repo tho | 03:06 |
| asidjazz | damn. depencancies | 03:06 |
| lcuk | never had anythuing else | 03:06 |
| asidjazz | dencies* | 03:06 |
| lcuk | Klowner, no import duty? | 03:06 |
| johnx | asidjazz, I'm sure it's in extras-testing | 03:06 |
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| asidjazz | ahh i can apt-get these deps | 03:07 |
| Klowner | lcuk: nope, unless it's factored into the actual price by the retailer | 03:07 |
| asidjazz | cuz thats up johnx, tnx. | 03:07 |
| asidjazz | Unpacking replacement conboy ... | 03:07 |
| asidjazz | Setting up conboy (1:0.5.8) ... | 03:07 |
| asidjazz | installed | 03:07 |
| lcuk | ahh i got mine from fremantle/tools repo | 03:07 |
| asidjazz | yup | 03:08 |
| asidjazz | owrks | 03:08 |
| asidjazz | shows up | 03:08 |
| asidjazz | dpkg -i works | 03:08 |
| lcuk | Klowner, cool, so you can buy stuff worldwide for 0 tax (lets say 200000 cars) and sell them for +taxd inside the country? | 03:08 |
| lcuk | would oyu have to pay tax on the,? | 03:09 |
| * lardman wonders if lcuk has been at the wine.... | 03:09 | |
| * lardman notes it took him 5 goes to write the last sentence | 03:09 | |
| * lcuk nods | 03:09 | |
| lcuk | and im tired | 03:09 |
| lcuk | :D | 03:09 |
| Klowner | lcuk: hrrm, I'm not sure but I think the seller pays taxes on part of his sales, and the buyer pays a tax on what he buys | 03:10 |
| asidjazz | so the tool is fuse? to add aim etc to conversation? | 03:10 |
| lcuk | its ok Klowner | 03:10 |
| lardman | bed time | 03:10 |
| lardman | night all | 03:10 |
| lcuk | agreed | 03:10 |
| lcuk | gnite lardman | 03:10 |
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| asidjazz | i see maemo8, 9, and 10 for fuse. which do i use for the n900 ? | 03:10 |
| javispedro | the n900 uses maemo900 | 03:11 |
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| asidjazz | fuse installed | 03:13 |
| asidjazz | sweet | 03:13 |
| asidjazz | or not | 03:14 |
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| simula_ | is there a repo that contains nano for the n900? | 03:17 |
| simula_ | nano the text editor | 03:17 |
| asidjazz | hmm i dont see haze in the pool | 03:17 |
| swc|666 | vi > nano | 03:18 |
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| javispedro | simula_, no: http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=Maemo+5&Arg=nano | 03:18 |
| simula_ | thanks for the link javispedro | 03:19 |
| simula_ | i was looking for diskusage too :) | 03:20 |
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| asidjazz | ah haze is in telepahty | 03:22 |
| asidjazz | wee | 03:22 |
| asidjazz | Unpacking telepathy-haze (from telepathy-haze_0.3.2-1_armel.deb) ... | 03:23 |
| asidjazz | Setting up telepathy-haze (0.3.2-1) ... | 03:23 |
| Macer | who would have known. all you need to stop vx gas is bleach | 03:23 |
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| asidjazz | also fyi some apps need a reboot to install | 03:24 |
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| asidjazz | i dont get it | 03:28 |
| asidjazz | i installed haze and i still have no aim under conversations | 03:28 |
| KMFDM | asidjazz, did you add your aim account | 03:29 |
| KMFDM | under accounts? | 03:29 |
| asidjazz | thats what i tried to do | 03:30 |
| asidjazz | i dont see it as an option | 03:30 |
| asidjazz | Preparing to replace telepathy-haze 0.3.2-1 (using telepathy-haze_0.3.2-1_armel.deb) ... | 03:31 |
| asidjazz | Unpacking replacement telepathy-haze ... | 03:31 |
| asidjazz | Setting up telepathy-haze (0.3.2-1) ... | 03:31 |
| asidjazz | looks good to me | 03:31 |
| KMFDM | ok | 03:32 |
| KMFDM | go to conversation | 03:32 |
| KMFDM | did it finish setting up? | 03:32 |
| asidjazz | im installing it as a local .deb | 03:32 |
| KMFDM | go to conversation>accounts | 03:32 |
| asidjazz | cuz extras-devel is down | 03:32 |
| asidjazz | yea i went there | 03:32 |
| KMFDM | 'new | 03:32 |
| KMFDM | and then under account setup select service | 03:32 |
| KMFDM | if it doesn't appear there | 03:33 |
| KMFDM | it didn't work | 03:33 |
| KMFDM | yeah i never installed it as a local deb | 03:33 |
| KMFDM | i always used extras-devel | 03:33 |
| asidjazz | i just see google voice .. skype.. jabber and sip and ovi | 03:33 |
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| KMFDM | restart your device to be sure | 03:33 |
| KMFDM | but if that fails then that local deb | 03:34 |
| KMFDM | isn't the proper one | 03:34 |
| asidjazz | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/t/ | 03:34 |
| asidjazz | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/t/telepathy-haze/ | 03:34 |
| asidjazz | KMFDM: are u able to check ur haze versoin on ur app manager for me pls? | 03:34 |
| KMFDM | yeah sec | 03:34 |
| KMFDM | 0.3 | 03:37 |
| Proteous | I can haz version check? | 03:37 |
| asidjazz | extras-devel is working!!! | 03:38 |
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| simula_ | it's working for me | 03:39 |
| rm_you | oh is it back? :P | 03:39 |
| simula_ | installing DiskUsage right now :) | 03:39 |
| asidjazz | lol an anarchism app? | 03:39 |
| asidjazz | wtf | 03:39 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: how is mer coming along? | 03:49 |
| Macer | was going to put it on my n810 in a little bit to see how far along it has come since i last tried | 03:49 |
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| KMFDM | asidjazz, what does it do | 03:51 |
| simula_ | is it possible to resize rootfs? | 03:51 |
| asidjazz | im not installin that shit | 03:51 |
| javispedro | simula_: no | 03:52 |
| javispedro | rootfs is on a different chip | 03:52 |
| KMFDM | im going to after i find it | 03:52 |
| KMFDM | asidjazz, what is it called? | 03:52 |
| Macer | who here has a retail n900? | 03:53 |
| simula_ | ahh, so that chip is only 228MB javispedro? | 03:53 |
| javispedro | 256MiB | 03:53 |
| simula_ | i have a retail n900 | 03:53 |
| Macer | simula_: is it good? :) | 03:53 |
| Macer | i mean like... didn't get released prematurely good? | 03:53 |
| simula_ | javispedro... what is a good way to go about paring down it's contents without wrecking something? i've already uninstalled just about everything i can find. | 03:53 |
| Macer | like a G1 :) with its beta android heh | 03:53 |
| simula_ | macer... i loves it | 03:53 |
| asidjazz | i loves mine too | 03:54 |
| Macer | was goign to get one soon. still on my n810 | 03:54 |
| asidjazz | got it today | 03:54 |
| Macer | heh | 03:54 |
| javispedro | simula: what you'd need to do that for? | 03:54 |
| simula_ | it's amazingly zippy | 03:54 |
| javispedro | either way, the best way would be to purge locales, maybe clean apt cache.. | 03:54 |
| Macer | simula_: how is telepathy? | 03:54 |
| Macer | does it support google video chatting? :) | 03:55 |
| javispedro | not yet | 03:55 |
| Macer | yet? | 03:55 |
| rm_you | heh no video chat yet that i've seen | 03:55 |
| Macer | so it has a front cam? | 03:55 |
| * asidjazz loading quake 3 | 03:55 | |
| simula_ | thanks javispedro... var is on rootfs, so i was afraid i could run out of room apps expect to have | 03:55 |
| rm_you | yeah, front cam is the same as n800/n810 cam | 03:55 |
| Macer | what about the rear? | 03:55 |
| Macer | like an n95? | 03:55 |
| rm_you | rear is 5MP | 03:55 |
| simula_ | i haven't played with any chat, but the video and cam on the front works well for me | 03:55 |
| rm_you | really nice | 03:55 |
| Macer | does dvd quality mp4 video too? | 03:56 |
| Macer | like the n95? | 03:56 |
| simula_ | i'm mostly getting it set up as my portable dev box | 03:56 |
| javispedro | Macer: they've said video chatting would be coming "soon" | 03:56 |
| rm_you | oh, how is the cam on the front? | 03:56 |
| Macer | javispedro: haha.. don't remind me of the n8x0 ;) | 03:56 |
| simula_ | thanks for the tip javispedro | 03:56 |
| Macer | where video chatting only worked in crappy gizmo | 03:56 |
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| rm_you | on mine the cam on the front is pretty much useless, exact same as the n800 cam... but i guess maybe they could have changed it for the production models? | 03:56 |
| asidjazz | where do i make a request for php-gtk on maemo :) | 03:57 |
| Macer | rm_you: heh. well it was supposed to support h264 i thought | 03:57 |
| Macer | so you could video chat over gtalk :) | 03:57 |
| rm_you | heh | 03:57 |
| Macer | or jabber. which would be even more awesome | 03:57 |
| Macer | but technically teh same thign :) | 03:57 |
| rm_you | well someone should run something like Mirror that captures from the front cam and take a screenshot and post it :P | 03:57 |
| asidjazz | rm_you: i can check mine | 03:58 |
| rm_you | i can barely make out that it's trying to show *A face*, not even going into detail like whose face it is :P | 03:58 |
| rm_you | so much random noise | 03:58 |
| asidjazz | ohw do i enable my front camera? | 03:59 |
| rm_you | use a program like Mirror | 03:59 |
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| asidjazz | will mirror cature images | 04:01 |
| asidjazz | odd the n97 has an option in the camera app | 04:01 |
| rm_you | doubt it... | 04:01 |
| simula_ | so javispedro... there isn't any drawback to only having 4megs of free space on rootfs? | 04:01 |
| rm_you | but ctrl-shift-p will | 04:01 |
| rm_you | i think | 04:01 |
| rm_you | or maybe it's fn-shift-p | 04:01 |
| rm_you | i forget <_< | 04:01 |
| javispedro | simula: I have to wonder how you got only 4 megs left... extras-devel apps? | 04:02 |
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| asidjazz | wow | 04:03 |
| asidjazz | it looks so bad | 04:03 |
| asidjazz | oo mediabox | 04:03 |
| asidjazz | w/ a shoutcast plugin | 04:03 |
| asidjazz | nigawhaaaaaaaaaaaat | 04:03 |
| simula_ | javispedro, the only extra apps i have on my box are rootsh, maemo-cpluplus-device-env, and load-applet | 04:03 |
| simula_ | oh, and DiskUsage | 04:03 |
| simula_ | i have installed at least DiskUsage from extras-devel, now i'm checking that link to see where everyone else came from : | 04:05 |
| simula_ | ) | 04:05 |
| javispedro | maemo-cplusplus is from extras-devel. | 04:05 |
| cehteh | no powertop for maemo? | 04:05 |
| simula_ | yeah javispedro ... i'm planning on doing some qt dev on here, so i needs me gcc | 04:05 |
| javispedro | simula: chroot | 04:06 |
| javispedro | either way, if you plan to do qt dev no need for maemo-cplusplus | 04:06 |
| simula_ | i'm working on installing the sdk on my n900 :) | 04:07 |
| javispedro | chrooooooooot | 04:07 |
| simula_ | i mean... compiling it from source | 04:07 |
| javispedro | uh? | 04:07 |
| simula_ | i haven't chrooted since my LFS days | 04:07 |
| javispedro | congratulations. but unless you want to brick your phone by installing bash, chroot. | 04:07 |
| javispedro | or fix all bashisms in the SDK or all "busyboxisms" in the base image, all your choice =) | 04:08 |
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| * javispedro thinks that qole should provide a dev easy-chroot | 04:10 | |
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| microlith | *for ruby | 04:20 |
| Macer | is there a maemo jabber conference? | 04:27 |
| Macer | :) | 04:27 |
| Macer | i'd love to get rid of irc heh | 04:27 |
| javispedro | i've wondered that at times. | 04:27 |
| johnx | Macer, yup. just set it up and join it ... and wait for everyone else :) | 04:27 |
| javispedro | but since now there's no jabber conference client for the n900 | 04:27 |
| Macer | johnx: haha | 04:27 |
| johnx | seriously though, why do you want to get rid of IRC? | 04:27 |
| javispedro | seems like a bad idea. | 04:27 |
| simula_ | yeah | 04:28 |
| Macer | javispedro: can't you just do like xxx@conference.whatever.blah ? | 04:28 |
| javispedro | Macer: nah, they removed the chat ui. | 04:28 |
| Macer | i should see about starting one :) | 04:28 |
| Macer | javispedro: they don't have the addon? | 04:28 |
| Macer | forgot what they called it for telepathy in maemo4 | 04:28 |
| javispedro | Macer: it was builtin previously... now it's gone :( | 04:28 |
| Macer | where you can join irc channels and stuff | 04:28 |
| Macer | wow really? that totally blows | 04:28 |
| Macer | sure wish the world would switch to jabber :) | 04:29 |
| simula_ | darned... i modify my /etc/fstab and it reverts to the original on restart :P | 04:29 |
| javispedro | why do you all want to do all those things | 04:29 |
| javispedro | without reading how the thing works | 04:29 |
| simula_ | i just want to build a software package | 04:30 |
| johnx | Macer, uhm, why? | 04:30 |
| simula_ | where is a good reference javispedro? | 04:30 |
| javispedro | simula: the source | 04:30 |
| javispedro | >:) | 04:30 |
| Macer | johnx: i dunno. forced ssl for everything ? | 04:30 |
| Macer | pretty sure s2s is ssl too :) | 04:30 |
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| johnx | "forced ssl" huh? | 04:31 |
| Macer | sure why not? :) hehe | 04:31 |
| johnx | as in, you can only connect by ssl? or you only want to speak over ssl? | 04:31 |
| javispedro | so push for freenode-ssl :) | 04:31 |
| simula_ | so javispedro... where is a better way to read "how the thing works", rather than reading the source? :) | 04:32 |
| simula_ | i'm reading this for nows: https://wiki.maemo.org/Frequently_asked_questions | 04:32 |
| Macer | well.. ssl over irc is still not encrypted s2s | 04:32 |
| johnx | Macer, just FYI, this channel is publicly logged, so uhm, not seeing what SSL gets you | 04:32 |
| javispedro | simula, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide | 04:32 |
| Macer | johnx: i know. but i was just curious about it :) | 04:32 |
| simula_ | thanks javispedro... i'm a readin | 04:33 |
| Macer | plus i am curious about the zimbra support for it | 04:33 |
| Macer | wanted to see if i could add blah@conference.jabber.org as a contact and if it would join the # | 04:34 |
| javispedro | na, that usually works badly | 04:34 |
| Macer | that would be kind of awesome | 04:34 |
| javispedro | well if zimbra has support for conferences it may work, if not, only the presence part of it will work afaiu | 04:35 |
| javispedro | which means you'll got a contact that goes green when the "conference room is present" (whatever that means), but trying to start a im session on it will do nothing or the wrong thing.. | 04:35 |
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| johnx | I really hope Chevy lives long enough to release the volt :| | 04:43 |
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| Macer | johnx: heh. i dunno | 05:11 |
| Macer | johnx: they keep having one bad moment after another | 05:11 |
| Macer | i hope they survive | 05:11 |
| johnx | yeah. the chevy volt is an awesome idea | 05:11 |
| johnx | exactly the right compromises. I'm even happy with the styling (which is totally rare for me to say about chevy) | 05:12 |
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| Macer | i haven't even seen what a volt looks like | 05:21 |
| johnx | http://gm-volt.com/ | 05:21 |
| Macer | http://modernizedcaveman.com/chevyvolt.jpg | 05:21 |
| Macer | it looks like a newer camero | 05:22 |
| johnx | that's a concept | 05:22 |
| johnx | not even close to the final look, thankfully | 05:22 |
| Macer | http://www.autobytel.com/images/Autoshows/2006/Detroit/Concept/400/ChevyCameroCncpt_3.jpg | 05:22 |
| Macer | looks like they were both off the same drawing board :) | 05:22 |
| Macer | let me check your site out | 05:23 |
| Macer | wow is that thing ugly :) | 05:23 |
| johnx | eye of the beholder I guess | 05:23 |
| Macer | yeah | 05:23 |
| Macer | it kind of reminds me of a longer prius | 05:23 |
| johnx | kinda reminds me of the civic | 05:23 |
| johnx | especially the front | 05:24 |
| johnx | except for that god-awful grille | 05:24 |
| johnx | seriously...just why?! | 05:24 |
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| Macer | hahaha | 05:26 |
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| Macer | they wanted it to look like a mean face | 05:26 |
| Macer | :) | 05:26 |
| Macer | http://www.gm-volt.com/galleries/album/72157607038955164/photo/3612157004/production-chevy-volt-blackchevyvolt77-jpg.html | 05:27 |
| jaem | can someone clarify something for me? The "show_search_dlg" method in http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libconbtui/src/conbtdialogs-dbus.h lists DBUS_TYPE_ARRAY for one of the parameters. I'm trying to use that call in Qt, and I can't figure out what type maps to that | 05:27 |
| Macer | you know right there.. in the air intake at the bottom | 05:27 |
| Macer | i'd lace it with night rider red leds | 05:27 |
| Macer | hahaha | 05:27 |
| jaem | as best as I can tell, it's a QList of some sort, but I'm not sure which type to template it with | 05:28 |
| * pupnik_ stares at 4:28 | 05:28 | |
| AakashPatel | who said prius! | 05:28 |
| * AakashPatel pet his | 05:28 | |
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| johnx | AakashPatel, I'd rather have a CRX :) | 05:35 |
| johnx | the volt is kind of a different thing. not saying the prius isn't nice, but it's not for me | 05:35 |
| AakashPatel | ...what straight man would want a prius | 05:35 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 05:35 |
| AakashPatel | but they do have a shit ton of features | 05:36 |
| * AakashPatel watches his park itself | 05:36 | |
| johnx | you sound somewhat insecure with your sexual identity... | 05:36 |
| type_t | a straight man with big Volts | 05:36 |
| AakashPatel | Haha my dad got it | 05:36 |
| johnx | heh. now I'm really confused | 05:36 |
| type_t | no for that you need NUTS-n-VOLTS | 05:37 |
| AakashPatel | johnx: hah he travels alot, so it was teh best solution | 05:37 |
| type_t | beats a 48Volt goCart | 05:38 |
| johnx | meanwhile my commute fits easily within 40 miles so a volt would be awesome, especially if I could charge it at work :> | 05:38 |
| AakashPatel | Get a Tesla Model S lol | 05:38 |
| * AakashPatel wants to reserve one soon | 05:39 | |
| johnx | I'd love one | 05:39 |
| johnx | sadly, I need a *house* before I need a tesla :P | 05:39 |
| AakashPatel | Haha I see | 05:39 |
| johnx | plus, the volt range extending just sound nice to have | 05:40 |
| AakashPatel | Yeah, what is it...300 miles? | 05:40 |
| johnx | I mean, a volt could be my only car, a tesla? not so much | 05:40 |
| AakashPatel | erm | 05:40 |
| AakashPatel | i read taht wrong | 05:40 |
| johnx | s/car,/car./ | 05:41 |
| infobot | johnx meant: I mean, a volt could be my only car. a tesla? not so much | 05:41 |
| johnx | does that help? | 05:41 |
| AakashPatel | Why can't a Tesla be your only car? | 05:41 |
| johnx | road trips | 05:41 |
| AakashPatel | Eh, just take 45min breaks every 300 miles lol | 05:41 |
| johnx | I mean, what happens if you get 300 miles and can't find a power socket you can sit by for 8 hours? | 05:41 |
| johnx | that kinda sucks | 05:42 |
| johnx | 45 minutes for a full charge? nah. I don't buy it | 05:42 |
| AakashPatel | 80% | 05:42 |
| AakashPatel | is what they say | 05:42 |
| AakashPatel | But thats with like 480 volts | 05:42 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 05:42 |
| johnx | yeah | 05:43 |
| Sargun_Screen | What about 480 volts? | 05:43 |
| AakashPatel | Sargun_Screen: To charge a Tesla Model S in 45 mins | 05:43 |
| Sargun_Screen | Ah, yeah. | 05:43 |
| johnx | I can just picture getting to a small town with one gas station. "Hi. can I unplug your arc welder and plug my car in for like an hour?" "hahahaha. no. wanna buy some gas?" | 05:43 |
| AakashPatel | Hahaha | 05:43 |
| Sargun_Screen | My dad is getting one of those. | 05:43 |
| AakashPatel | Sweet | 05:43 |
| Sargun_Screen | How much does a 480V generator cost. | 05:43 |
| johnx | very cool | 05:44 |
| AakashPatel | Cost, who knows, size? | 05:44 |
| Sargun_Screen | AakashPatel: I can fit it in the back of my Lexus | 05:44 |
| johnx | you could step up from 120V...but I don't think you'd have the amperage to charge the car in 45 minutes without burning down your house | 05:44 |
| AakashPatel | Are you gonna tow your lexus? | 05:44 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 05:44 |
| AakashPatel | yeah johnx | 05:44 |
| Sargun_Screen | AakashPatel: The S has a trunk. | 05:45 |
| AakashPatel | Two of em :0 | 05:45 |
| AakashPatel | Sargun_Screen: I just had to say that thing about towing it hah | 05:46 |
| * Sargun_Screen wonders if the S is going to have the same shipping schedule as the Nokia N900. | 05:46 | |
| AakashPatel | D: | 05:46 |
| johnx | a lot closer to the pandora I think :) | 05:46 |
| AakashPatel | I wonder how big the queue i | 05:46 |
| AakashPatel | is* | 05:46 |
| Macer | damn butters cracks me up | 05:46 |
| Sargun_Screen | 3 months late. | 05:46 |
| johnx | an awesome project, that's always 2 months away :) | 05:47 |
| Macer | do you know what i am talking about? | 05:47 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: hahaha | 05:47 |
| Sargun_Screen | johnx: The Pandora is dead. | 05:47 |
| Macer | he had me in tears every time he said that :) | 05:47 |
| AakashPatel | Oh no | 05:47 |
| AakashPatel | its alive | 05:47 |
| johnx | Sargun_Screen, the radio or the linux handheld? | 05:47 |
| Sargun_Screen | In my eyes it's deada. | 05:47 |
| Sargun_Screen | there is a pandora radio? | 05:47 |
| Sargun_Screen | I meant the box. | 05:47 |
| AakashPatel | Sargun_Screen: Good enough to be dead | 05:47 |
| Sargun_Screen | :-P | 05:47 |
| AakashPatel | Might as wekk get an N900 lol | 05:47 |
| AakashPatel | same specs | 05:47 |
| Macer | what ever happened to the pandora? | 05:47 |
| Macer | wasn't it supposed to be some sort of gaming device? | 05:48 |
| Sargun_Screen | AakashPatel: Close, but not quite. The form factor is better for many people | 05:48 |
| johnx | Macer, the finished the moulds and should be producing final cases soonish | 05:48 |
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| Macer | johnx: didn't they say that a year ago? | 05:48 |
| Macer | :) | 05:48 |
| Macer | after the touchbook i wouldn't buy that pandora garbage | 05:48 |
| johnx | Macer, nah. they have pics of the finished stainless steel molds now :) | 05:48 |
| Macer | haha | 05:48 |
| Macer | renders? :) | 05:48 |
| Macer | does it do the t1000 morph when accessing skynet? | 05:49 |
| johnx | Macer, that's like saying: After buying an HP, I wouldn't buy a Dell | 05:49 |
| johnx | how does b follow from a? | 05:49 |
| Sargun_Screen | I take it back, the generator that was in the back of my car was 240VAC | 05:49 |
| johnx | anyways, I'm looking forward to hacking on it. | 05:49 |
| Macer | possibly | 05:49 |
| Macer | :) | 05:49 |
| Macer | more like. i bought a macbook so i am never getting a mac mini | 05:49 |
| AakashPatel | Sargun_Screen: Well this is your day | 05:49 |
| johnx | Macer, I actually got to see a touchbook in real life. looked neat, but really fragile | 05:49 |
| AakashPatel | The Model S has two trunks | 05:49 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 05:49 |
| Xisdibik | johnx: it follows that after buying an HP he was so happy he would then never buy a dell :)? | 05:50 |
| Macer | johnx: i sold mine to Stskeeps who had me send it to w00t | 05:50 |
| johnx | Xisdibik, yup. Macer shore loves his touchbook :> | 05:50 |
| Macer | hehe | 05:50 |
| AakashPatel | lawl | 05:50 |
| Sargun_Screen | AakashPatel: I should ask my dad if they have a prototype at a dealer | 05:50 |
| AakashPatel | Yeah, I would love to see one also | 05:50 |
| AakashPatel | In real life | 05:50 |
| AakashPatel | (buyin a car before seeing it is...not the best of things to do) | 05:50 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 05:50 |
| Macer | i'm just saying that after preordering and having high expectations for a touchbook.. i can see the same problems with the pandora | 05:51 |
| AakashPatel | Macer is a perfect example! | 05:51 |
| Sargun_Screen | The Tesla is awesome. It goes like uber fast without any noise | 05:51 |
| Sargun_Screen | kinda scary almost. | 05:51 |
| Macer | plus. i just don't see the need for a pandora when you can get an n900 | 05:51 |
| AakashPatel | That will be so tight | 05:51 |
| AakashPatel | Sargun_Screen: It sounds so cool when your in a prius and its on pure electric | 05:51 |
| AakashPatel | but the tesla will go all the time like that | 05:51 |
| AakashPatel | :0 | 05:51 |
| johnx | Macer, my main purposes are actually going to be 1) hacking and 2) gaming | 05:52 |
| johnx | nah, it's not really a consumer device in that regard | 05:52 |
| Sargun_Screen | AakashPatel: but it goes Really fucking fast | 05:52 |
| Sargun_Screen | AakashPatel: and the torque is nuts on it. | 05:52 |
| johnx | but the possibilities seem exciting, and I don't have to worry about making it unbootable and missing a phone call | 05:52 |
| AakashPatel | I know | 05:52 |
| Sargun_Screen | it literally puts you in your seat | 05:52 |
| AakashPatel | its like 5 secs to go 0-60 | 05:52 |
| AakashPatel | in the model S | 05:52 |
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| AakashPatel | the other one is like 3.6 secs | 05:53 |
| Sargun_Screen | AakashPatel: I've only seen the Tesla Roadster | 05:53 |
| AakashPatel | yeah the roadster | 05:53 |
| Sargun_Screen | that bastard, flaunting his N900. | 05:53 |
| * Sargun_Screen has gotten a "preparing for launch" message from AMAZON | 05:53 | |
| johnx | Sargun_Screen, they know where you live! get to the bomb shelter! | 05:53 |
| * Sargun_Screen is about an hour from his house | 05:54 | |
| AakashPatel | BS really Sargun_Screen ? | 05:54 |
| AakashPatel | amazon? | 05:54 |
| Sargun_Screen | AakashPatel: huh? yeah | 05:54 |
| AakashPatel | :0 | 05:54 |
| ShadowJK_ | hm.. how do i make media player show full filenames.. | 05:54 |
| AakashPatel | where's it say that Sargun_Screen | 05:54 |
| Sargun_Screen | Let me get a screen shot. | 05:54 |
| johnx | ShadowJK_, switch to "category view" | 05:54 |
| ShadowJK_ | well that's intuitive ;) | 05:55 |
| Sargun_Screen | ahahaha | 05:55 |
| Sargun_Screen | bahaha | 05:55 |
| Sargun_Screen | lol | 05:55 |
| johnx | ShadowJK_, intuitivity will be added in a future release | 05:56 |
| ShadowJK_ | with that, enough text fits that i can distinguish the files :) | 05:56 |
| ShadowJK_ | exactly one char difference, the last char shown :) | 05:58 |
| ShadowJK_ | descrptive filenames :/ | 05:58 |
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| AakashPatel | Sargun_Screen: Heh, I was gonna order from Nokia tomorrow, but guess now amazon haha | 05:58 |
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| AakashPatel | Sargun_Screen: SCREENSHOT? | 05:59 |
| AakashPatel | caps lock also | 06:00 |
| Sargun_Screen | http://xbmodder.us/tmp/amzn.png | 06:00 |
| Sargun_Screen | Delivered. | 06:00 |
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| Sargun_Screen | PS: you can unblackout it, but don't. | 06:01 |
| AakashPatel | When did you place your doer? | 06:01 |
| Sargun_Screen | it says, doesn't it? | 06:01 |
| AakashPatel | Oh | 06:01 |
| AakashPatel | OH | 06:01 |
| AakashPatel | october 8 | 06:01 |
| AakashPatel | of course yours will ship | 06:01 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 06:01 |
| Sargun_Screen | 10/08/09 | 06:01 |
| Sargun_Screen | if you use american style | 06:01 |
| Sargun_Screen | 2009-10-08 if you use sargun style. | 06:01 |
| AakashPatel | I thought you said that it was preparing for release or somethign | 06:01 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 06:01 |
| AakashPatel | Guess its nokia again then | 06:01 |
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| Sargun_Screen | AakashPatel: AMZN is pretty good at shipping them | 06:02 |
| Sargun_Screen | shipping shit in general | 06:02 |
| AakashPatel | Yeah | 06:02 |
| AakashPatel | But i've been hearing alot fo poeple havent evne shipped yet | 06:02 |
| AakashPatel | from amazon | 06:02 |
| AakashPatel | of poeples* | 06:02 |
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| AakashPatel | Sargun_Screen: And it still says not released lol | 06:03 |
| AakashPatel | While nokias says...IN STOCK MOTHA FUCKA | 06:03 |
| Sargun_Screen | AakashPatel: It isn't. | 06:03 |
| AakashPatel | Yeah it is... | 06:03 |
| Sargun_Screen | I should ask my friend who works tere. | 06:03 |
| Sargun_Screen | really? nokia says "IN STOCK MUDDAFUCCKA" | 06:03 |
| AakashPatel | That would be so tight if you did lol | 06:03 |
| Sargun_Screen | it would be | 06:03 |
| AakashPatel | Sargun_Screen: I can make it if you gimme 5 mins | 06:03 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 06:03 |
| Sargun_Screen | uhm | 06:04 |
| Sargun_Screen | ok, let's see it | 06:04 |
| AakashPatel | okay hold on | 06:04 |
| AakashPatel | one more min... | 06:05 |
| Sargun_Screen | Has te Nokia store actually shipped | 06:05 |
| AakashPatel | okay more than a min | 06:05 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 06:05 |
| Sargun_Screen | I hear that AMZN is gunna ship next week sometime | 06:06 |
| AakashPatel | i'vebeen yearing it | 06:06 |
| AakashPatel | okay updaloding | 06:07 |
| AakashPatel | http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6673/picture15er.png | 06:08 |
| AakashPatel | Sargun_Screen: ask your friend who works for amzn | 06:09 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 06:09 |
| Sargun_Screen | AakashPatel: I will | 06:09 |
| Macer | haha | 06:09 |
| Macer | ok. simpsons was kind of funny when krusty said "do you have ink for an amiga brand fax machine?" | 06:09 |
| AakashPatel | Sargun_Screen: Lol before monday? if not ill order from nokia if it doesnt say instock by tomorrow evening | 06:10 |
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| * microlith averts his eyes from the image of nokia usa's website | 06:19 | |
| AakashPatel | Hahaha | 06:20 |
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| AakashPatel | argegghgh | 06:58 |
| * AakashPatel cant make up his mind | 06:58 | |
| AakashPatel | Nokia USA store | 06:58 |
| AakashPatel | Or amazon | 06:58 |
| Pavlov | amazon hasn't shipped yet | 06:59 |
| Pavlov | and half the time nokia's website doesn't work | 06:59 |
| AakashPatel | but IF my order goes through Nokia's site | 07:00 |
| AakashPatel | How long you think itll be | 07:00 |
| Pavlov | *shrug* | 07:00 |
| AakashPatel | :( | 07:01 |
| AakashPatel | thats the dilemma im in haha | 07:01 |
| Pavlov | i'd think nokia would ship sooner | 07:01 |
| Pavlov | but really no idea | 07:01 |
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| AakashPatel | Eh yeah | 07:02 |
| Macer | hm | 07:02 |
| Macer | anybody know how you download videos on a ps3 | 07:02 |
| Macer | like from the browser | 07:03 |
| Arkenoi | hmm, application manager says there is mbarcode update available, but when i select it i get "unable to update mbarcode" | 07:03 |
| Macer | instead of them opening and trying to play from the site? | 07:03 |
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| AakashPatel | LONG CLICK ON THE LINK | 07:03 |
| AakashPatel | tee hee | 07:03 |
| Macer | heh | 07:03 |
| Macer | it's not for me. someone i know is trying to use his ps3 to download videos of my son for him and his wife | 07:03 |
| AakashPatel | did you google it? | 07:04 |
| Macer | it's my old buddy from the USMC... sorry bastard only had a laptop that broke :) | 07:04 |
| Macer | AakashPatel: yeah . i saw a video but i don't understand it without having a ps3 myself | 07:04 |
| AakashPatel | ...tell him to go on youtube and search??? | 07:04 |
| Macer | did that too | 07:04 |
| AakashPatel | he has a browser with flash haha | 07:04 |
| Macer | he will try it tomorrow he said.. but the video is confusing | 07:04 |
| AakashPatel | Okay | 07:05 |
| AakashPatel | Now solve my problem | 07:05 |
| AakashPatel | AMAZON OR NOKIA | 07:05 |
| Macer | nokia | 07:05 |
| Macer | it costs more but you know it works :) | 07:05 |
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| AakashPatel | lol so would amazons | 07:06 |
| Macer | nope | 07:06 |
| Macer | amazon is like retail ebay | 07:06 |
| AakashPatel | amazon rox | 07:06 |
| AakashPatel | i buy shit from them all the time | 07:06 |
| AakashPatel | but they dont have stock :( | 07:07 |
| Macer | i do too.. but for something like an n900 i'd rather get it from nokia :) | 07:07 |
| AakashPatel | Hmmm okay | 07:07 |
| Macer | phones are like samurai swords.. only the best of swordsmiths get the best pick of the steel | 07:07 |
| Macer | the rest are given the garbage :) | 07:08 |
| AakashPatel | [citation required] | 07:08 |
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| AakashPatel | lol | 07:08 |
| Macer | yeah they might cut things.. but they will break in battle :) | 07:08 |
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| AakashPatel | Who told you this. | 07:09 |
| AakashPatel | Lol.. | 07:09 |
| AakashPatel | -. | 07:09 |
| AakashPatel | o.o | 07:09 |
| Macer | the samurai sword thing? | 07:11 |
| Macer | saw a NG special on it :) | 07:12 |
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| Macer | wtf | 07:14 |
| Macer | i'm a little confused as to why this version of fight club is like 27G | 07:14 |
| AakashPatel | NG? lol | 07:14 |
| Macer | Traditionaly, tamahagane is only made three or four times a year by Nittoho and Hitachi Metals[5] during winter in a wood building and is only sold to the master swordsmiths to use once it is made. | 07:19 |
| Macer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamahagane | 07:20 |
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| Macer | god bless wikiipedia | 07:20 |
| AakashPatel | amen | 07:20 |
| Macer | i have to donate :) | 07:20 |
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| AakashPatel | lol | 07:21 |
| AakashPatel | <= cheap | 07:21 |
| rashed2020 | WE KNOW | 07:25 |
| AakashPatel | rashed2020: BREATH | 07:26 |
| AakashPatel | who said Macer knew i was cheap | 07:26 |
| rashed2020 | Macer should join us at the shithole we call home | 07:27 |
| AakashPatel | i think i jut did | 07:27 |
| johnx | that's a pretty strange thing to call a shithole | 07:27 |
| johnx | I call mine "ass" | 07:27 |
| rashed2020 | then i'll be at 39 bans only | 07:27 |
| AakashPatel | hahaha | 07:27 |
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| rashed2020 | johnx: you gotta see our home | 07:30 |
| AakashPatel | yeahhh | 07:30 |
| johnx | sorry to hear that | 07:31 |
| rashed2020 | johnx: i challenge you to a duel | 07:32 |
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| rashed2020 | doo-el | 07:32 |
| johnx | rashed2020, duly noted | 07:33 |
| rashed2020 | its about time someone testing your magazine comprehension skills | 07:33 |
| rashed2020 | tested* | 07:33 |
| johnx | magazine comprehension? I haven't read a magazine in like years I think | 07:34 |
| rashed2020 | hmm.. you're not so bad after all | 07:34 |
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| johnx | nah, just very confused | 07:34 |
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| rm_you | night johnx / all | 07:39 |
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| johnx | 'night rm_you|sleep | 07:39 |
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| wrapster | does n900 support all the cmds that can be natively run on linux machine? | 07:48 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 07:48 |
| wrapster | example ps -ef , ls so on | 07:48 |
| AakashPatel | erm | 07:48 |
| AakashPatel | not sure | 07:48 |
| AakashPatel | probably lol | 07:48 |
| AakashPatel | debian based | 07:48 |
| AakashPatel | so.. | 07:49 |
| johnx | wrapster, it's debian, but the shell is ash (instead of bash) and the utils are busybox instead of GNU coreutils | 07:49 |
| johnx | s/debian/debian-based/ | 07:49 |
| infobot | johnx meant: wrapster, it's debian-based, but the shell is ash (instead of bash) and the utils are busybox instead of GNU coreutils | 07:49 |
| AakashPatel | aw why | 07:49 |
| johnx | why what? | 07:50 |
| AakashPatel | its busybox | 07:50 |
| AakashPatel | intsead of GNU coreutils | 07:50 |
| johnx | space | 07:50 |
| AakashPatel | ah | 07:50 |
| wrapster | infobot: / johnx : but can i test it somehow.. i mean i have logged into /scratchbox/login | 07:50 |
| johnx | nah, scratchbox has bash and coreutils I believe | 07:50 |
| wrapster | hmm.... | 07:51 |
| wrapster | how do i test it then? | 07:51 |
| johnx | if you just had a question about a couple commands I can run them for you | 07:51 |
| wrapster | johnx: could you please try ps -ef / grep / awk ? | 07:51 |
| johnx | sure, but for those commands you'll want to look at the busybox help files | 07:52 |
| wrapster | johnx: ls as well. | 07:52 |
| wrapster | johnx: is there a link that i can follow? | 07:52 |
| johnx | http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html | 07:53 |
| johnx | do you want to know if the commands are there? or what the output looks like? or what options are available? | 07:53 |
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| johnx | so yeah, ps -ef, ls, grep, and awk are all there | 07:53 |
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| Macer | well. i think i have officially ran out of anything good to watch | 08:00 |
| Macer | how do you do that with 5TB of movies and shows | 08:01 |
| Macer | i am hording them too. i need to rm a lot of it | 08:01 |
| johnx | Macer, there's a cool space shuttle video on slashdot | 08:06 |
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| Macer | heh | 08:10 |
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| Macer | i'm watching the simpsons where all the kids have cell phones | 08:10 |
| Macer | omg that cracked me up | 08:11 |
| arachnist | well, don't all kids have cell phones now? | 08:11 |
| Macer | yeah | 08:11 |
| luke-jr | mostly | 08:11 |
| Macer | but she told them to put them on vibrate and the damn things were louder than they were ringing | 08:11 |
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| Macer | they have someone else doing the voice of the teacher | 08:12 |
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| Macer | lol. "that text was almost worth the 15 cents it cost for me to receive it" | 08:16 |
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| pupnik_ | i wonder what kids think computers are | 08:23 |
| pupnik_ | when i first saw them, they had screens. and we typed commands into them. and they spat out answers | 08:23 |
| pupnik_ | i thought that was the point of a computer | 08:23 |
| pupnik_ | now everything has a computer | 08:23 |
| johnx | everything is waking up | 08:24 |
| pupnik_ | mhm | 08:24 |
| cehteh | screens? :) | 08:24 |
| pupnik_ | but to think like a consumer, i have to stop being interested in the computer, and start realizing that the consumer is really, really only interested in the appliance | 08:24 |
| cehteh | not teletypes, punchwriters and so on? | 08:24 |
| Ford_Prefect | Has anyone here tried x11vnc'ing into their device? | 08:24 |
| johnx | 20 years ago, the routing in google maps would probably have been classed as some form of AI :) | 08:24 |
| pupnik_ | and in some ways i will never, ever be able to grasp how other people see these devices. | 08:24 |
| pupnik_ | morning Ford_Prefect - not I | 08:25 |
| Ford_Prefect | Heya pupnik_ :) | 08:25 |
| Ford_Prefect | So close to making it work. | 08:25 |
| AakashPatel | Its morning her also | 08:25 |
| AakashPatel | 0:25 | 08:25 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 08:25 |
| johnx | Ford_Prefect, just did it. it's not all that fast | 08:25 |
| johnx | works fine though | 08:26 |
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| Ford_Prefect | johnx, mouse works fine for you? | 08:26 |
| johnx | mostly | 08:26 |
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| johnx | kinda jumpy, and can't seem to register a click on everything for some reason | 08:27 |
| AakashPatel | Even on wifi? | 08:27 |
| Ford_Prefect | johnx, that's better than here - I don't even get the curssor | 08:27 |
| simula_ | i don't know what all the other kids think of it, but i'm making my n900 my portable dev environment | 08:27 |
| * arachnist 's testing the tv-out | 08:27 | |
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| arachnist | looks cool | 08:27 |
| AakashPatel | simula: o.o | 08:27 |
| johnx | Ford_Prefect, all I get is the native cursor on the machine I'm connecting from | 08:28 |
| AakashPatel | I use comptuers to do that cuz i dont have an extra 100 yrs of life | 08:28 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 08:28 |
| Ford_Prefect | johnx, my cursor disappears when it enters the VNC area | 08:28 |
| simula_ | the n900 is a pretty righteous computer :) | 08:28 |
| Ford_Prefect | Getting tightvnc to get another data point | 08:28 |
| johnx | Ford_Prefect, which vnc client? | 08:28 |
| AakashPatel | simula_: Compile the linux kernel | 08:28 |
| johnx | also, which OS are you connecting from? | 08:28 |
| AakashPatel | Tell us how long it takes lol | 08:29 |
| Ford_Prefect | johnx, vinagre | 08:29 |
| cehteh | vnc has some issues with pointer and keyboard mappings | 08:29 |
| simula_ | i'll be compiling the Qt sdk... it'll take longer | 08:29 |
| AakashPatel | Ouch | 08:29 |
| AakashPatel | taht took a long time on my comp | 08:29 |
| johnx | Ford_Prefect, try vncviewer host:0 | 08:29 |
| simula_ | then i'll be running qt-creator on my little portable computer | 08:29 |
| AakashPatel | simula_: lawl see how hot your phone gets | 08:29 |
| Ford_Prefect | johnx, will do - just getting tightvnc to try that | 08:29 |
| simula_ | it maxes out at 1 watt, so not too hot | 08:30 |
| AakashPatel | simula_: My goal will be to try to use my laptop less also | 08:30 |
| AakashPatel | simula_: On my HTC Dream it gets HOT when using EDGE data | 08:30 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 08:30 |
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| Ford_Prefect | johnx, no luck with the mouse | 08:46 |
| Ford_Prefect | Using vncviewer, I mean | 08:46 |
| johnx | interesting | 08:46 |
| johnx | it should show a little bkack dot | 08:46 |
| johnx | *black | 08:46 |
| Ford_Prefect | It is, that's the cursor tracked by the host | 08:47 |
| asidjazz | when i do a copy from the brwoser | 08:47 |
| asidjazz | i cant seem to paste to email or IM | 08:47 |
| asidjazz | should i? | 08:47 |
| asidjazz | where is it supposed to be pasted to? | 08:48 |
| pupnik_ | xchat wastes too much space compared to irssi on n900 | 08:48 |
| pupnik_ | yes you should | 08:48 |
| johnx | Ford_Prefect, yeah, and when you click it should work... | 08:48 |
| asidjazz | pupnik_: n900 has irssi? where | 08:48 |
| AakashPatel | o.O | 08:48 |
| johnx | the N900 will never draw a cursor | 08:48 |
| Ford_Prefect | johnx, doesn't. But I did find this - http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/X11vnc_on_Maemo | 08:48 |
| pupnik_ | asidjazz: i have not had that problem - when copying text, you should see a yellow bar appear. did you see the bar? | 08:49 |
| asidjazz | pupnik_: in the browser? hmm | 08:49 |
| asidjazz | i mean i go into manipulation mode | 08:49 |
| pupnik_ | asidjazz: irssi through screen running on another computer | 08:49 |
| asidjazz | hihglihgt the text | 08:49 |
| asidjazz | hit menu | 08:49 |
| pupnik_ | i try that now | 08:49 |
| asidjazz | pupnik_: yea thats what i do, irssi via screen via ssh | 08:49 |
| asidjazz | and i hit copy... | 08:49 |
| asidjazz | then i go to email and ctrl+v .. nothin | 08:49 |
| johnx | Ford_Prefect, you're using x11vnc on the device, right? | 08:50 |
| Ford_Prefect | johnx, yes | 08:50 |
| pupnik_ | you must see the message that your text was copied asidjazz | 08:50 |
| pupnik_ | in browser | 08:50 |
| johnx | through the icon it makes? or running it on the command line? | 08:50 |
| pupnik_ | try pasting to xterminal or another app also | 08:50 |
| asidjazz | yea i get no yellow bar when hitting 'copy' in my browser | 08:50 |
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| Ford_Prefect | johnx, Looks like I need to enable XInput in the X startup script (according to that forum.nokia.com page) | 08:50 |
| asidjazz | pupnik_: yea im ont seein that | 08:51 |
| johnx | Ford_Prefect, I guess so, but I definitely didn't do that, unless the x11vnc install did that for me... | 08:51 |
| pupnik_ | sorry i don't see the yellow when i use copy from menu | 08:51 |
| asidjazz | how else do you use copy? | 08:51 |
| pupnik_ | asidjazz: one only sees it in browser when using ctrl+C to copy | 08:51 |
| asidjazz | ctrl+c does nothing either | 08:52 |
| Ford_Prefect | johnx, didn't do it for me. Maybe because of firmware differences. | 08:52 |
| pupnik_ | now i don't see the yellow bar with ctrl+c either | 08:52 |
| asidjazz | do i need to turn on ctrl+c and ctrl+v somewher? | 08:52 |
| pupnik_ | :( | 08:52 |
| pupnik_ | no. something is strange | 08:52 |
| pupnik_ | copy and paste works here though | 08:52 |
| asidjazz | ok it worked whe i closed eveyrthing and copied text from google.com to the termianl | 08:52 |
| johnx | Ford_Prefect, 42-11? or some internal thing? if you want I can test the Nokia internal version here if you send it to me ;) | 08:52 |
| pupnik_ | asidjazz: maybe file a bug to add ctrl+v to email client | 08:53 |
| pupnik_ | i cannot test email amt | 08:53 |
| Ford_Prefect | johnx, hehe, not sure how to get the fw version till I can play with the gui | 08:53 |
| asidjazz | pasting to im works | 08:55 |
| asidjazz | email nope | 08:55 |
| asidjazz | does google maps blow shit up | 08:57 |
| asidjazz | is google gonna make a google maps for maemo? nokia maps blows | 08:57 |
| Macer | i seriously need to make a new server | 08:57 |
| Macer | and use the one i have for only fileserving | 08:57 |
| Macer | mostly because my dated server doesn't have virtualization support which seriosly hinders vbox | 08:58 |
| simula_ | google maps seems to work fine on the maemo browser for me | 08:59 |
| simula_ | macer, the new phenom II's are quite sweet with vbox | 09:00 |
| * RST38h suggests Macer to screw the servers and go for a nature walk | 09:00 | |
| RST38h | Seriously, why spend so much time on IT? | 09:01 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: Get x2 6-core Xeons | 09:01 |
| asidjazz | does the maemo sdk have an emulator? | 09:01 |
| AakashPatel | Yes | 09:01 |
| simula_ | it... blech | 09:01 |
| AakashPatel | sorta kinda | 09:01 |
| AakashPatel | They dont like it if you call it an emulator | 09:01 |
| AakashPatel | I asked and they changed to topic just cuz | 09:02 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 09:02 |
| AakashPatel | Oh swee | 09:02 |
| AakashPatel | t | 09:02 |
| AakashPatel | Its gone | 09:02 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 09:02 |
| asidjazz | whats my 1st step installing the latest debian? any faq on just hte debian part? | 09:02 |
| asidjazz | like particular install? | 09:02 |
| AakashPatel | I used ubuntu | 09:02 |
| AakashPatel | the latest one | 09:02 |
| AakashPatel | And then jsut run the GUI installer on the SDK | 09:02 |
| RST38h | asidjazz: go to www.google.com and type "debian install howto"? | 09:02 |
| simula_ | if i could cross-compile on an x86-64 ubuntu box to n900/32/arm, that would be sweet | 09:02 |
| simula_ | i mean... i'm sure i can, but if a ready built environment existed, that would be sweet | 09:02 |
| asidjazz | RST38h: i konw how to install debian, asking if i need a particular version/install | 09:02 |
| asidjazz | AakashPatel: noway? not distro dependant eh? | 09:03 |
| asidjazz | AakashPatel: just gotta have apt packaging? | 09:03 |
| AakashPatel | Uh | 09:03 |
| AakashPatel | i Saw something about it not workin on a version of debian | 09:03 |
| asidjazz | err pkg or whatever | 09:03 |
| AakashPatel | So just use the latest Ubuntu lol | 09:03 |
| asidjazz | ah says mainly debian and ubuntu | 09:05 |
| asidjazz | yea i like ubuntu alot more imuh do that | 09:05 |
| arachnist | hey | 09:05 |
| asidjazz | AakashPatel: you did 9.10 ? | 09:05 |
| AakashPatel | asidjazz: yepp | 09:06 |
| arachnist | does anyone know where are the 2 missing apples in the bounce game? | 09:06 |
| AakashPatel | o.O | 09:06 |
| AakashPatel | its 1:06 here | 09:06 |
| AakashPatel | feck | 09:06 |
| arachnist | i can only find 12 out of 14 | 09:06 |
| * asidjazz leeching ubuntu and vmware 7 | 09:07 | |
| johnx | asidjazz, vmplayer will work | 09:08 |
| johnx | also, good luck "leeching" ubuntu :) | 09:08 |
| RST38h | asidjazz: for the sdk you mean? | 09:08 |
| RST38h | asidjazz: latest ubuntu will do | 09:08 |
| asidjazz | johnx: i have 7 workstation licensed through work alrd | 09:08 |
| asidjazz | 7 is rad | 09:08 |
| johnx | then you can't leech it. sorry :) | 09:08 |
| RST38h | But do make sure you have got normal 32bit x86 installation | 09:08 |
| asidjazz | when you full screen in linux xwindows it changes the rez to that size | 09:09 |
| RST38h | AMD people historically had problems | 09:09 |
| asidjazz | yea this lappy is x86 | 09:09 |
| asidjazz | free'd up about 10gb this should be plenty | 09:09 |
| johnx | RST38h, AMD people silly enough to jump on x86_64 distros before multiarch | 09:09 |
| asidjazz | now to grab beers while it dl's | 09:09 |
| asidjazz | love comcast | 09:10 |
| asidjazz | [Time-Taken]: 4 minutes 40 seconds | 09:10 |
| asidjazz | [Avg-Speed]: 1895kB/s | 09:10 |
| RST38h | johnx: this is too complicated for a cow =) | 09:10 |
| johnx | mmmm...multiarch will be very cute | 09:11 |
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| AakashPatel | you're cute | 09:12 |
| AakashPatel | ew no | 09:12 |
| AakashPatel | gai | 09:12 |
| AakashPatel | XD | 09:12 |
| johnx | <_< | 09:12 |
| johnx | >_> | 09:12 |
| AakashPatel | Hahaha | 09:12 |
| * AakashPatel gets to place his n900 order from nokia tomorrow | 09:14 | |
| AakashPatel | and you know what that means! | 09:14 |
| AakashPatel | N900 by the end of this week :000 | 09:14 |
| AakashPatel | :000 | 09:16 |
| dmj7261 | I think I know why some people have complained about the n900's touchscreen not being reponsive | 09:19 |
| dmj7261 | I had a chance to try it out today. | 09:19 |
| johnx | dmj7261, because they are using their noses? | 09:19 |
| AakashPatel | dmj7261: how was it??? | 09:19 |
| dmj7261 | Very responsive for the most part. | 09:19 |
| johnx | but yeah, it does take some getting used to | 09:19 |
| AakashPatel | sweet | 09:19 |
| pupnik_ | if anyone wants to test "knyghts" lemme know | 09:19 |
| dmj7261 | however, I did have to get used to applying pressure to make it swipe. | 09:20 |
| angelixd | quick question: is there an UPnP app for maemo 5 yet? | 09:20 |
| johnx | angelixd, to play things from a UPNP server? | 09:20 |
| dmj7261 | ...so for the first ~minute swiping between desktops felt hard. | 09:20 |
| dmj7261 | However buttons were very responsive. | 09:21 |
| angelixd | johnx: to control a UPnP server; like a remote | 09:21 |
| johnx | dmj7261, I've found that I use the side of my finger a lot | 09:21 |
| pupnik_ | who was kernelconcepts.de ?? back in the 770 days. inz? | 09:21 |
| dmj7261 | Using my finger pad I had to "apply pressure." | 09:21 |
| johnx | angelixd, ah, that's different then. hmm, I thought something was in the works, but I don't remember now | 09:21 |
| dmj7261 | But I didn't feel like I was using pressure with my finger nail. | 09:21 |
| AakashPatel | dmj7261: Is there haptic feedback? | 09:22 |
| AakashPatel | via vibration? | 09:22 |
| pupnik_ | swiping is definitely more intuitive on capacitive. i understand why people like that stuff now. it feels more modern and unreal | 09:22 |
| dmj7261 | Yes, but it's not very noticeable | 09:22 |
| AakashPatel | Cool | 09:22 |
| AakashPatel | I just wanted a little bit | 09:22 |
| johnx | pupnik_, i dunno. iphone screens drive me nuts for some reason. but mostly when trying to type | 09:22 |
| dmj7261 | I do appreciate the ability to use your finger nail. | 09:23 |
| angelixd | well, we're going to try and write one tonight :-) | 09:23 |
| pupnik_ | johnx: i would hate iphone clicking when my finger barely brushes the capacitative surface | 09:23 |
| johnx | angelixd, look up gupnp and rigel (i think it is) | 09:23 |
| pupnik_ | i've seen some really odd behavior from cap. touchpads | 09:23 |
| johnx | maybe rygel | 09:23 |
| dmj7261 | Using the screen gets easier much faster than say the Droid. | 09:23 |
| asidjazz | droid screen and kb SUCK | 09:24 |
| pupnik_ | overall feel is real nice eh dmj7261 ? speed of animations, size of buttons, etc | 09:24 |
| dmj7261 | The maemo UI is much more consistent than Droid too. | 09:24 |
| asidjazz | terminal needs a mod to hide those shortcut buttons | 09:24 |
| dmj7261 | Yeah, camera framerate isn | 09:24 |
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| dmj7261 | 't good though | 09:24 |
| pupnik_ | you mean the preview? | 09:24 |
| dmj7261 | The buttons were smaller than I expected. | 09:24 |
| dmj7261 | the video camera | 09:25 |
| pupnik_ | or do you mean stuttering in the encoded video? | 09:25 |
| pupnik_ | i think it is 30fps no? | 09:25 |
| pupnik_ | or 25 | 09:25 |
| dmj7261 | Of course my maemo dev environment is 11 inches diagonally. | 09:25 |
| dmj7261 | both preview and encoded video. | 09:25 |
| dmj7261 | There was one other window open though. | 09:26 |
| pupnik_ | when you say 'frame rate too low' you are probably seeing some dropped frames on playback, caused by other processes consuming cpu | 09:26 |
| dmj7261 | ...think it was the bookmarks. | 09:26 |
| pupnik_ | hmm | 09:26 |
| dmj7261 | dropped frames | 09:26 |
| dmj7261 | I hope it actually captured them. | 09:26 |
| pupnik_ | depends totally on video of course | 09:26 |
| pupnik_ | i filled up with like 20 GB of video | 09:26 |
| pupnik_ | been a lot of fun | 09:26 |
| pupnik_ | just filming everywhere | 09:26 |
| AakashPatel | Whats the max res of vid you can play? | 09:26 |
| dmj7261 | This was at the Nokia store before a concert | 09:27 |
| johnx | AakashPatel, 800x480 is no problem | 09:27 |
| pupnik_ | with the proper codec, 800x480 is certainly possible | 09:27 |
| johnx | dunno about much higher than that | 09:27 |
| AakashPatel | sweet | 09:27 |
| pupnik_ | and the hardware should be able to do 720p | 09:27 |
| AakashPatel | :0 | 09:27 |
| pupnik_ | with the right codec | 09:27 |
| johnx | not really much of a point in 1280x720 unless it's just for compatibility reasons | 09:27 |
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| dmj7261 | The only reason would be to avoid reencoding | 09:28 |
| pupnik_ | yep | 09:28 |
| arachnist | h264 @ 800x480 should be possible with n900 | 09:28 |
| dmj7261 | sweet | 09:28 |
| pupnik_ | even 400x240 looks pretty good on a 3.5" screen | 09:28 |
| asidjazz | isnt the 9 trailer @ 720p ? | 09:28 |
| johnx | asidjazz, don't think so | 09:28 |
| johnx | let's see | 09:28 |
| asidjazz | i wish the fb app would go to lite.facebook.com | 09:28 |
| dmj7261 | the screen feels smaller than I had expected. | 09:28 |
| dmj7261 | Not too small though. | 09:28 |
| johnx | 9.mp4 is 800x480 | 09:29 |
| johnx | they'd be silly to not make it fit perfectly ;) | 09:30 |
| asidjazz | it looks smaller than the iphone screen | 09:30 |
| asidjazz | mp4 is not really compressed | 09:30 |
| asidjazz | so im not impressed | 09:30 |
| asidjazz | h264 mkv @ 720p id be very impressed | 09:30 |
| AakashPatel | Whats the iPhone res? | 09:31 |
| AakashPatel | of the screen | 09:31 |
| dmj7261 | 320x240 | 09:31 |
| AakashPatel | lolwut | 09:31 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 09:31 |
| asidjazz | does having less desktops conserve battery | 09:31 |
| pupnik_ | asidjazz: http://www.google.de/search?q=omap3+720p+video+playback+h.264 | 09:31 |
| johnx | dmj7261, like 480x320, isn't it? | 09:31 |
| dmj7261 | ...2.5x difference | 09:31 |
| dmj7261 | sorry | 09:31 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 09:31 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 09:31 |
| dmj7261 | johnx is right | 09:31 |
| AakashPatel | still | 09:31 |
| dmj7261 | still 2.5x difference | 09:31 |
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| asidjazz | pupnik_: thats android phones isnt it? | 09:32 |
| johnx | asidjazz, mp4 is a family of codecs and also a container format. technically h.264 is a in the MP4 family of codecs unless I'm confused | 09:32 |
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| dmj7261 | n900 didn't seem that heavy | 09:33 |
| dmj7261 | Why do people think it is? | 09:33 |
| Arkenoi | btw how long can iphone last with active wifi connection, say, im client? | 09:33 |
| asidjazz | lol FYI when you hide views on desktop and then re-show them it clears all the apps that were on them | 09:33 |
| asidjazz | johnx: im talking more compression level not codec | 09:34 |
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| arachnist | dmj7261: it's about twice as heavy as most of dumb-phones | 09:34 |
| johnx | asidjazz, mp4 does not specify a bitrate :) | 09:34 |
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| asidjazz | ok so then whats the bitrate of 9 | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | johnx: you're certain? | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | asidjazz: wtf? | 09:35 |
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| dmj7261 | 70grams mroe than my dumb phone | 09:35 |
| johnx | luke-jr, you stepped in late. read your scrollback | 09:35 |
| dmj7261 | ...didn't feel heavy in my hands though. | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | johnx: Well, DVD-Video at least specifies a maximum bitrate... I wouldn't be surprised if mp4 did the same | 09:36 |
| AakashPatel | dmj7261: Have you held a G1 before? | 09:36 |
| dmj7261 | not for more than 5 minutes | 09:36 |
| simula_ | it's not too heavy in my pocket, i don't have a problem carrying it around everywhere | 09:36 |
| johnx | luke-jr, at the very least it specifies a range of bit rates. if you're going to be a pedant, at least do it right | 09:36 |
| AakashPatel | Does it feel solid? | 09:36 |
| AakashPatel | or cheap | 09:36 |
| * AakashPatel looks over at his ADP1 | 09:36 | |
| dmj7261 | solid | 09:36 |
| dmj7261 | the sd card holder thing feels cheap | 09:37 |
| asidjazz | i dont see any docs on bitrate restrictions | 09:37 |
| asidjazz | but im pretty sure there is | 09:37 |
| dmj7261 | also, it's not intuitive to insert microsd cards. | 09:37 |
| johnx | asidjazz, mplayer says the bitrate is zero :) | 09:37 |
| * dmj7261 tried to put it in wrong. | 09:37 | |
| AakashPatel | Oh do you have to slide it in that slot and then push it down? | 09:38 |
| AakashPatel | on the little metal thing? | 09:38 |
| dmj7261 | yeah | 09:38 |
| asidjazz | johnx: how big is the file | 09:38 |
| johnx | ah, good thought :) | 09:38 |
| AakashPatel | Night | 09:38 |
| johnx | 'night AakashPatel | 09:38 |
| asidjazz | i wanna see some sweet widget/desktop setups | 09:38 |
| johnx | asidjazz, 68.8MB | 09:38 |
| asidjazz | johnx: yea thats huge and how long is it 5min? | 09:39 |
| johnx | 2:30 | 09:39 |
| johnx | :) | 09:39 |
| asidjazz | yea that should be alot smaller | 09:40 |
| johnx | mplayer chokes on it on the device, but total CPU usage during high motion playback in the native player is like 30% or so | 09:40 |
| asidjazz | lemme pull up some mkv video stats | 09:40 |
| dmj7261 | screen is a finger print magnet | 09:41 |
| asidjazz | ok lets see | 09:42 |
| asidjazz | Californication.S03E09.720p.HDTV.X264 | 09:42 |
| dmj7261 | Keys are small but useable...on par with the Droid | 09:42 |
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| asidjazz | bit rate is 5061kb/s | 09:43 |
| dmj7261 | browser is more or less up to par with my other mobile browsing device for small number of web pages | 09:43 |
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| asidjazz | 745mb @ 1 hour | 09:43 |
| dmj7261 | ...other mobile is a netbook | 09:43 |
| dmj7261 | so I don't have a reference for other browsers | 09:44 |
| dmj7261 | ...wait...it's far better than when I played with the Droid. | 09:44 |
| AakashPatel | DROIDDDD | 09:44 |
| johnx | asidjazz, the files on it are "demo" material. encoded for their looks and low CPU usage only | 09:44 |
| dmj7261 | also droid terminal is vastly inferior. | 09:45 |
| asidjazz | johnx: no im not arguing that | 09:45 |
| johnx | asidjazz, I'll see if I can push it a little bit | 09:46 |
| asidjazz | just dl some mkv x264 720p | 09:46 |
| johnx | 720p won't happen I think | 09:46 |
| johnx | there was a demo on a beagleboard, but that's with nothing else running. and it sure as hell wasn't running a composited GUI at the same time | 09:47 |
| asidjazz | well wait | 09:47 |
| asidjazz | whats the screen resolution? | 09:47 |
| asidjazz | 800x380? | 09:47 |
| johnx | 800x480 | 09:47 |
| asidjazz | 40 | 09:47 |
| asidjazz | ok so 720p is useless | 09:47 |
| asidjazz | and unseeable | 09:47 |
| asidjazz | its capable of 480p tops | 09:47 |
| asidjazz | you would have to create custom mpegs of cropped 720 to 800x480 | 09:48 |
| johnx | so the question is: what's the best looking 480p you can view | 09:48 |
| asidjazz | you can do that in vlc | 09:48 |
| asidjazz | a custom cropped 720p | 09:48 |
| asidjazz | they take a while to make | 09:48 |
| asidjazz | depending on cpu | 09:48 |
| johnx | not worth it I think | 09:48 |
| asidjazz | not uunless you had it all automated | 09:48 |
| johnx | it's so easy to just drag and drop as it is :) | 09:48 |
| asidjazz | like take a season of a show and batch it through | 09:48 |
| johnx | I'm used to plugging it in via usb and just dragging what I want to see that day onto it | 09:49 |
| pupnik_ | knots2 is a nice frontend to stream and download video from your PC to your tablet (N800, N810, N900) | 09:49 |
| asidjazz | someone write an app thatll crop/convert to 800x480 from any media, give it a folder of media :) | 09:49 |
| pupnik_ | check out knots2 asidjazz | 09:49 |
| pupnik_ | might be able to live convert your 720p and 1080i if your pc is fast | 09:49 |
| asidjazz | i don tneed to stream | 09:49 |
| asidjazz | have it stream to another mpge | 09:50 |
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| pupnik_ | you need to transcode. knots transcodes | 09:50 |
| asidjazz | bingo | 09:50 |
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| asidjazz | have it transcode to itself in another file locally | 09:50 |
| pupnik_ | ahh | 09:50 |
| asidjazz | can you queue the content on the server? | 09:50 |
| pupnik_ | i'll ask about that | 09:50 |
| AakashPatel | is there ffmpeg for maemo? | 09:51 |
| rm_you|sleep | errr | 09:51 |
| pupnik_ | good feature request asidjazz | 09:52 |
| pupnik_ | yes AakashPatel | 09:52 |
| rm_you|sleep | jaffa's project from a while back | 09:52 |
| rm_you|sleep | tablet-encode | 09:52 |
| AakashPatel | ah nice | 09:52 |
| rm_you|sleep | it's for doing... well, what you want. | 09:52 |
| rm_you|sleep | though | 09:52 |
| asidjazz | ugh forgot vmware makes u rebot 20x | 09:52 |
| AakashPatel | rm_you|sleep: Lol what? | 09:53 |
| AakashPatel | Its for doing waht i want <- the purpse of any app? | 09:53 |
| Macer | lol | 09:53 |
| Macer | summer glau doesn't make for a good terminator | 09:53 |
| Macer | she was better as river | 09:53 |
| * RST38h moos at rm_you and pupnik | 09:53 | |
| AakashPatel | omg a cow | 09:53 |
| asidjazz | are there lots of sample apps w/ source i can mess w/. like very simple. | 09:53 |
| rm_you|sleep | asidjazz: IMO (and this is coming from a videophile who refuses to watch anything that isn't 720p in normal circumstances), just go with HDTV/xvid that isn't 720p, it looks beautiful on the screen of n900 because it is the right size :P | 09:53 |
| asidjazz | rm_you|sleep: iirc | 09:53 |
| asidjazz | <- spoiled videophile as well | 09:54 |
| asidjazz | if it aint 720p i aint watchin it | 09:54 |
| rm_you|sleep | asidjazz: when i first picked up the n800 it was as a portable media device | 09:54 |
| Macer | rm_you|sleep: i would usually encode it to mp4 | 09:54 |
| Macer | :) | 09:54 |
| rm_you|sleep | and i spent weeks fine-tuning the encoding process | 09:54 |
| Macer | doesn't the n900 have an h264 decoder? | 09:54 |
| johnx | Macer, yes. it works quite well | 09:54 |
| rm_you|sleep | n900 comes around, and trust me, the screen size is perfect for any standard HDTV/xvid | 09:55 |
| rm_you|sleep | for instance | 09:55 |
| rm_you|sleep | National.Geographic.Megastructures.Man.Made.Sun.HDTV.XviD-PVR | 09:55 |
| rm_you|sleep | etc | 09:55 |
| rm_you|sleep | perfect fit on the screen | 09:55 |
| Macer | well. i am just curious why xvid | 09:56 |
| rm_you|sleep | 720p is actually 1.5x the pixels on the tablet | 09:56 |
| Macer | when you have an h264 decoder :) | 09:56 |
| rm_you|sleep | Macer: decodes faster | 09:56 |
| rm_you|sleep | though | 09:56 |
| johnx | rm_you|sleep, have you tried h264 on the N900? | 09:56 |
| Macer | well. i would figure it would offload to the decoder | 09:56 |
| johnx | I'm curious at this point | 09:56 |
| rm_you|sleep | i haven't tried since Tomasz released the thing that enables mkv playback :P | 09:56 |
| johnx | just installed that :> | 09:56 |
| rm_you|sleep | yeah | 09:57 |
| rm_you|sleep | i need to | 09:57 |
| rm_you|sleep | but then ScT went down | 09:57 |
| rm_you|sleep | and i spent about three hours crying | 09:57 |
| rm_you|sleep | but now i'm back | 09:57 |
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| Macer | i figured playing xvids would tax the cpu more than mp4s | 09:58 |
| rm_you|sleep | tried some h264 stuff, yes, but it was mostly pretty slow comparatively | 09:58 |
| asidjazz | AakashPatel: what ubuntu install did you choose | 09:58 |
| AakashPatel | Huh? | 09:58 |
| rm_you|sleep | doesn't seem to | 09:58 |
| AakashPatel | The regular one | 09:58 |
| AakashPatel | Desktop | 09:58 |
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| rm_you|sleep | phone is in the other room now charging tho, so can't try till morning | 09:58 |
| rm_you|sleep | and will be driving most of tomorrow, starting when i wake up <_< | 09:58 |
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| johnx | rm_you|sleep, fun. where to? | 09:59 |
| rm_you|sleep | back to SA | 09:59 |
| AakashPatel | asidjazz: yo? | 09:59 |
| rm_you|sleep | in Dallas <_< | 09:59 |
| asidjazz | AakashPatel: also how much room would you say the vm needs | 10:00 |
| AakashPatel | not too much | 10:00 |
| asidjazz | AakashPatel: werent u the one thats using ubuntu? | 10:00 |
| asidjazz | 10gb? 5gb? | 10:00 |
| AakashPatel | give the VM like 5 gb | 10:00 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 10:00 |
| AakashPatel | 10 is okay also | 10:00 |
| AakashPatel | i gave mine 10 lol | 10:00 |
| Macer | 50! | 10:00 |
| Macer | why be fickle | 10:00 |
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| rm_you|sleep | asidjazz: really though, it turns out that scene released xvids are pretty close to perfect for playback on n900 by default, and maybe you could improve them slightly, sure, but it is NOT worth the effort when literally everything you can get is drag-and-drop ready | 10:01 |
| AakashPatel | Sure, if you send me your harddrives | 10:01 |
| asidjazz | rm_you|sleep: yea and its not really gonna be too noticable by the human eye on such a small device | 10:01 |
| rm_you|sleep | asidjazz: especially since you can run a torrent client on-device :P | 10:01 |
| asidjazz | thats just nuts lol | 10:01 |
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| rm_you|sleep | yes, that's what i was saying too :P | 10:01 |
| asidjazz | i saw lighttpd too | 10:01 |
| rm_you|sleep | i think Transmission is the one in repos? | 10:02 |
| asidjazz | i narrowed mine down to 2 desktops | 10:02 |
| rm_you|sleep | so it is approved by most scene trackers too :P | 10:02 |
| asidjazz | hopefully thatll be nicer on the battery | 10:02 |
| rm_you|sleep | my battery lasts me like 6-7 hours on average' | 10:02 |
| asidjazz | its all this freakin screen | 10:03 |
| johnx | bittorrent will not be nice on the battery :) | 10:03 |
| rm_you|sleep | but i also use my device actively for about 1/3 of that time | 10:03 |
| asidjazz | the e61i i have has the same battery lasts for days | 10:03 |
| asidjazz | my n97 .. 5-6 hours | 10:03 |
| asidjazz | its probably 70% screen brightness | 10:03 |
| johnx | it's the difference between a phone and a computer :) | 10:03 |
| rm_you|sleep | yep | 10:03 |
| rm_you|sleep | of course my G1 lasted about the same | 10:03 |
| rm_you|sleep | so | 10:03 |
| asidjazz | not as bad as the g1 though | 10:03 |
| asidjazz | that things horrible | 10:03 |
| johnx | well, yeah, but I think it's a use-case thing | 10:03 |
| rm_you|sleep | my G1 was about the same, MAYBE a little worse actually | 10:04 |
| rm_you|sleep | i don't think i used my G1 as heavily | 10:04 |
| johnx | there's nothing to *do* on my old dumb-phone so I only ever use it to make calls and send SMS | 10:04 |
| rm_you|sleep | and it died in the same time | 10:04 |
| rm_you|sleep | i carry both around still T_T | 10:04 |
| AakashPatel | My ADP1 is worse lol | 10:04 |
| asidjazz | does the notification light change colors | 10:04 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Traitor :p | 10:04 |
| rm_you|sleep | any word on an official tmobile plan? | 10:04 |
| johnx | rm_you|sleep, here's the word: get the $10/month data plan :) | 10:05 |
| rm_you|sleep | lol | 10:05 |
| johnx | I'll tell you when they kick me off | 10:05 |
| rm_you|sleep | heh | 10:05 |
| rm_you|sleep | yeah dunno why i'm still on the G1 | 10:05 |
| KenYoung | I'm running the N900 on T-Mobile with no problems. | 10:05 |
| rm_you|sleep | so am I, i just have the G1 package still :p | 10:05 |
| asidjazz | are there any good themes worth using yet? | 10:06 |
| rm_you|sleep | so i guess they think i'm using that? | 10:06 |
| asidjazz | KenYoung: minus 3g though | 10:06 |
| rm_you|sleep | i have 3g :P | 10:06 |
| KenYoung | asidjazz, Nope, 3G is fine. | 10:06 |
| asidjazz | shouldnt 3g not work via t-mo ? | 10:06 |
| rm_you|sleep | 3g is built for tmobile | 10:06 |
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| rm_you|sleep | it won't work on ATT :/ | 10:06 |
| Macer | n900 has tmob freqs | 10:07 |
| Macer | heh | 10:07 |
| Macer | down with att! | 10:07 |
| KenYoung | asidjazz, It doen't work for AT&T, but it does for T-Mobile., | 10:07 |
| Macer | i hope they go bankrupt! | 10:07 |
| asidjazz | wtf i thought it was the other way around | 10:07 |
| rm_you|sleep | lol no | 10:07 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: No wai! | 10:07 |
| rm_you|sleep | hope you didn't just get an ATT plan T_T | 10:07 |
| * AakashPatel huggles his AT&T | 10:07 | |
| KenYoung | asidjazz, Nope, definately not. I've got one, and it works on T-Mobile, with not problems. | 10:07 |
| asidjazz | nah i never do plans | 10:07 |
| asidjazz | i always buy phones and do month to month | 10:08 |
| asidjazz | ok well i might switch then | 10:08 |
| asidjazz | i live in sf carrier doesnt matter to me | 10:08 |
| asidjazz | thats odd cuz the n97 was at&t | 10:08 |
| asidjazz | right | 10:08 |
| asidjazz | and not t-mo | 10:08 |
| AakashPatel | What 3g freq's does it have | 10:09 |
| johnx | AakashPatel, EU 3G, and t-mo 3G | 10:09 |
| AakashPatel | o.O | 10:09 |
| asidjazz | whyd they do the opposite for the n97?? | 10:09 |
| AakashPatel | They probably custom made it just for att's freq's then i guess? | 10:10 |
| johnx | asidjazz, different market strategy, different chipset | 10:10 |
| asidjazz | i switched from t-mo to at&T for the n97 .. $85/mo | 10:10 |
| asidjazz | who here has t-mo whats ur phone bill | 10:10 |
| KenYoung | It's nice not to have to compete with the iPhone users for bandwidth. | 10:10 |
| johnx | asidjazz, on a family plan, so not representative | 10:10 |
| * AakashPatel is also on family plan on att though | 10:10 | |
| AakashPatel | but i think my bill is cheaper than yours | 10:11 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 10:11 |
| AakashPatel | lemme check | 10:11 |
| johnx | the data part of my t-mo plan is $10 :) | 10:11 |
| AakashPatel | o.o | 10:11 |
| AakashPatel | on att its 15 | 10:11 |
| johnx | back in a couple minutes | 10:11 |
| AakashPatel | aight | 10:11 |
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| asidjazz | i have the cheapest talking plan | 10:12 |
| asidjazz | and unlimited text/data | 10:12 |
| AakashPatel | On my family plan i have 700 mins, 2 lines, 1 line with data | 10:12 |
| AakashPatel | dammit load att | 10:12 |
| asidjazz | the slider is nowhere near as smooth as iphone :( | 10:13 |
| asidjazz | my talk plan is $45 my data/text is $30 trhen other fees and crap | 10:13 |
| AakashPatel | how many mins | 10:13 |
| pupnik_ | you mean sliding pictures? | 10:14 |
| asidjazz | no the lock slider | 10:14 |
| asidjazz | on the iphone its super reactive | 10:14 |
| asidjazz | this one pauses | 10:14 |
| AakashPatel | Lol wtf | 10:14 |
| asidjazz | like if you move your thumb back and forth it lags | 10:15 |
| asidjazz | and is slow | 10:15 |
| asidjazz | grab an iphone | 10:15 |
| AakashPatel | att's business billing crap doesnt even wanna open | 10:15 |
| asidjazz | impossible to get it to lag | 10:15 |
| asidjazz | their sites are crap | 10:15 |
| * AakashPatel wonders if he can use that as an excuse not to pay his bill | 10:15 | |
| asidjazz | and ridic slow | 10:15 |
| asidjazz | lol no they'll charge you more $$$ for site accessing fees | 10:15 |
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| AakashPatel | Haha | 10:15 |
| asidjazz | and attempting to not pay fees | 10:15 |
| AakashPatel | its getting stuck at this sales.liveperson.net | 10:16 |
| AakashPatel | transferring... | 10:16 |
| RST38h | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9141465/Microsoft_s_top_developers_prefer_old_school_coding_methods | 10:17 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 10:17 |
| asidjazz | whats oldschool mean | 10:17 |
| asidjazz | not using bloated frameworks | 10:17 |
| AakashPatel | Gateway Timeout | 10:17 |
| AakashPatel | The proxy server did not receive a timely response from the upstream server. | 10:17 |
| AakashPatel | Oh yes | 10:17 |
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| * timeless_mbp eyes AakashPatel | 10:18 | |
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| * AakashPatel gets scared | 10:18 | |
| asidjazz | is it not possible to 'edit' a bookmark? | 10:18 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Let the stalking begin | 10:18 |
| asidjazz | n/m | 10:18 |
| RST38h | While visual programming can be easier to learn and can help make developers more productive, it's also "easier to delude yourself," said Butler Lampson, a technical fellow at Microsoft. For instance, "no one can ever tell you what a UML diagram means." | 10:19 |
| * RST38h rotfls | 10:19 | |
| timeless_mbp | > For instance, "no one can ever tell you what a UML diagram means." | 10:19 |
| asidjazz | fucking uml | 10:19 |
| AakashPatel | lmao | 10:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Butler + | 10:19 |
| RST38h | Have they finally come up with a textual representation or is it still a bunch of cute box images copied from Rational Rose? | 10:20 |
| asidjazz | :( 1st n900 crash | 10:21 |
| asidjazz | need to clean up all the apps i frantically installed | 10:21 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Oh, timeless_mbp, how's the CPA stuff going? I'm ill and bored, so I need something to do | 10:21 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: what crashed? an app | 10:21 |
| asidjazz | browser | 10:21 |
| asidjazz | on engadget.com | 10:21 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: my n900 died | 10:21 |
| timeless_mbp | so i'm um, stuck | 10:21 |
| simula_ | yay, maemo5 has 'top' :) | 10:21 |
| simula_ | why did it die timeless_mbp? | 10:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i was very mean to it | 10:22 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: Serves you right for showing all those screenshots. No, really, what happened? :) | 10:22 |
| RST38h | "I think we have maybe five to 10 years left [with Moore's Law]," he said. "Optimizations will get very, very sexy again, when people realize how we pay for abstractions." <=== and this guy designed Microsoft's C++/CLI | 10:22 |
| asidjazz | simula_: yea i saw that lol | 10:22 |
| * timeless_mbp dropped it on a tile floor | 10:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | (a couple of times) | 10:22 |
| asidjazz | already?? | 10:22 |
| asidjazz | reminds me i need a good case/sleeve for this thing | 10:22 |
| asidjazz | and a screen protector | 10:22 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: My old Palm died after one drop on a tiled floor | 10:22 |
| timeless_mbp | my e61i dropped from a waistlevel drop to concrete outside a parking lot near work | 10:23 |
| johnx | my old palm died after I overclocked it :) | 10:23 |
| simula_ | RST38h... i think you are quoting herb sutter... are you not? | 10:23 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: it was --parent-window X or --parent-window=X ? | 10:23 |
| asidjazz | whats pulseaudio | 10:23 |
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| asidjazz | its taking 26% cpu | 10:24 |
| johnx | asidjazz, it's your sound mixer/daemon | 10:24 |
| asidjazz | and whats as-daemon | 10:24 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: --parent-window=X, AFAIK | 10:24 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: probably alsa | 10:24 |
| johnx | asidjazz, dunno about as-daemon. google is probably your friend | 10:24 |
| timeless_mbp | oh wait, we use pulse | 10:24 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 10:24 | |
| asidjazz | Xorg is onw top cpu | 10:25 |
| asidjazz | guess thats the xwindows daemon | 10:25 |
| johnx | timeless, doesn't mean you don't also use alsa. ;) that used to be the case for sure | 10:25 |
| asidjazz | along w/ hildon-home | 10:25 |
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| johnx | asidjazz, technically it's the "X server" | 10:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: calling Xorg the 'xwindows daemon' is kinda odd | 10:25 |
| AakashPatel | mmm 2:25 | 10:25 |
| AakashPatel | looks like its bed time | 10:25 |
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| AakashPatel | night | 10:25 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, web server, http daemon, X server, X daemon. I think it actually fits pretty well :) | 10:26 |
| asidjazz | yay ubuntu installed | 10:26 |
| asidjazz | man the new version is sexy lookin | 10:26 |
| AakashPatel | asidjazz: Just download the GUI Installer () from maemo dev site | 10:26 |
| AakashPatel | and run it in phython | 10:26 |
| AakashPatel | and you're golden | 10:27 |
| AakashPatel | now im really going to sleep lol | 10:27 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 10:27 | |
| * timeless_mbp keeps losing qwerty's file | 10:28 | |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: hit me again :( | 10:28 |
| arachnist | lol | 10:28 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: http://qwerty12.qole.org/qwerty_cpa.c | 10:28 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: The Zenity source is on the autobuilder, somewhere... | 10:29 |
| asidjazz | AakashPatel: thanks again for your help | 10:29 |
| AakashPatel | yep | 10:29 |
| timeless_mbp | 404? | 10:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | yes, 404 | 10:30 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: http://qwerty12.qole.org/qwerty-cpa.c | 10:31 |
| timeless_mbp | that works better :) | 10:31 |
| asidjazz | qwerty12_N900: whats this ur writing | 10:32 |
| qwerty12_N900 | asidjazz: Nothing special; it's just an applet for the Control Panel that runs a program | 10:33 |
| Macer | lol | 10:33 |
| Macer | to get seduced by a machine | 10:33 |
| Macer | damn that skynet! | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: ok, pulled into one of two places | 10:33 |
| * timeless_mbp needs to figure out how to move scratchbox from one computer to another | 10:34 | |
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| * asidjazz just ran sudo ./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py | 10:36 | |
| asidjazz | qwerty12_N900: whats hte program that it runs? | 10:36 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: you install it in a vm | 10:37 |
| qwerty12_N900 | asidjazz: timeless' über-locale modifier | 10:37 |
| Macer | and move the disk ;) | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Macer: i did install it in a vm (the wrong one) | 10:37 |
| Macer | haha | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | now i want to move it to the right one :) | 10:37 |
| Macer | oops :) | 10:37 |
| Macer | just suck it up and start over man | 10:37 |
| Macer | heh | 10:37 |
| asidjazz | ugh rss only allows adds as an address? | 10:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: ? | 10:40 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 10:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: so um | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | this doesn't make sense | 10:43 |
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| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: an rss feed search thing would be nicer | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i rebuilt your files and then copied them over | 10:43 |
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| asidjazz | like googles reader | 10:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: google reader works | 10:43 |
| asidjazz | i htink my scratchbox is stuck at 20% | 10:43 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: watcha mean? | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | but only 1/4 of my files changed | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i can use google reader on my n900 (when my n900 works..) | 10:44 |
| asidjazz | Warning: unknown mime-type for "/tmp/maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.log" -- using "application/octet-stream" | 10:44 |
| asidjazz | Error: no "view" mailcap rules found for type "application/octet-stream" | 10:44 |
| timeless_mbp | hi gavin___ | 10:44 |
| asidjazz | :( | 10:44 |
| timeless_mbp | what in the world are you doing? | 10:44 |
| asidjazz | heres my error http://pastie.org/718976 | 10:45 |
| asidjazz | trying to install scrtachbox via the gui installer | 10:45 |
| timeless_mbp | gui installers are for people who trust nokia guis | 10:46 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Crap, its default theme is called "Twilight" | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: blacklisted word? :) | 10:46 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: Something like that. It's on my films to never watch list :) | 10:47 |
| Macer | haha. the terminator just rolled through a mexican prison killing everybody in sight | 10:47 |
| Macer | that was awesome.. i love skynet :) | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | Macer: t2? | 10:47 |
| pupnik_ | is there a pair of sunglasses with composite-input for vieweing n900 screen? | 10:47 |
| Macer | sarah conner chronicles | 10:47 |
| pupnik_ | some that don't suck? | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: so, odd | 10:48 |
| johnx | pupnik_, that qualifier filters the results to zero I think | 10:48 |
| qwerty12_N900 | T2 had him free Sarah Connor from an American prison | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i have a so-update file | 10:48 |
| Macer | well. it was actually a mental institution :) | 10:48 |
| pupnik_ | johnx: i think so too. But something that could full pal could display enough data i think | 10:48 |
| pupnik_ | maybe even chat :) | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | Macer: she was in a mental ward | 10:48 |
| pupnik_ | overlaid on normal view | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't believe the institution only provided mental facilities | 10:48 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: I've never seen a "so-update" file | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: it means that i already tried updating your .so's | 10:49 |
| Macer | new timeless_mbp that's what i just said | 10:49 |
| johnx | pupnik_, there's some myvu glasses that are VGA I think | 10:49 |
| Macer | er.. timeless_mbp | 10:49 |
| pupnik_ | yeah i see them advertised | 10:49 |
| pupnik_ | just scared to buy, because i tried some vr in 1989 and it sucked | 10:49 |
| Macer | new sarah is hotter | 10:49 |
| qwerty12_N900 | pupnik_: I bet... | 10:50 |
| pupnik_ | but then i could walk about and do more whilst keeping an eye on discussions | 10:52 |
| pupnik_ | lol | 10:52 |
| PaulFertser | Hey guys :) | 10:52 |
| PaulFertser | Can one probably explain me how nokia customer support is supposed to work? The feedback on this ticket looks kinda strange to me :| https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6360 | 10:53 |
| povbot | Bug 6360: Headset problems | 10:53 |
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| Macer | lol | 10:53 |
| Macer | wow it sure sucks to be part of the sarah conner group | 10:53 |
| asidjazz | these gets in this install of scratchbox are taking forever | 10:53 |
| Macer | i mean like.. just imagine all the people they pass up that aren't beign hunted by skynet all day long :) | 10:53 |
| Macer | lucky bastards ... ignorance is bliss i suppose | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: 1. you call nokia care | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. you walk through their menus | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | 3. if you have complaints about nokia care, you write a letter | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: is that clear? | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | *.maemo.org is NOT Nokia support | 10:55 |
| simula_ | heh | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i can repeat it for you if necessary, but i don't think i can use smaller words | 10:56 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: yes... But what is the real-life experience on using nokia "care"? I had so many useless conversations with technical assitance that i honestly doubt they can help with what is already clearly explained on the bugtracker. | 10:56 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: i'm not trying to offense anybody btw | 10:57 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: real life experience is that i want to shoot them | 10:57 |
| timeless_mbp | but if you want official support, you will use Nokia Care | 10:57 |
| timeless_mbp | and if you want to do the rest of the community a favor, you will record each call to Nokia Care, properly indicating to them that you are doing so | 10:57 |
| timeless_mbp | and when they do something stupid, you will publish a transcript + audio log | 10:57 |
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| johnx | PaulFertser, glanced at the bug. is this a headset that is designed to be iphone compatible? | 10:58 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: a valuable advice, thanks (no sarcasm) | 10:58 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: the guy got an n900 along with n900 headset, official, no modifications. | 10:58 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: i doubt it's iphone compatible since iphone uses reverse pinout for mic and gnd pins. | 10:59 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: all things considered, the bug summary sucks | 10:59 |
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| johnx | sorry, reading the bug in depth now | 10:59 |
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| simula_ | heh, there were problems with the bluetooth headset that you got with the n900 pre-ordered... i called them a couple weeks before they sent mine out and they said they could drop that headset and save me $100... i dropped it | 10:59 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: it'd be interesting to understand how maemo differentiates between regular headphones and a headset but i lack necessare motivation to dig the code right now. | 10:59 |
| timeless_mbp | if i read c0 correctly, the actual claim is "headset icon doesn't appear if headset is plugged in before power is turned on" | 11:00 |
| timeless_mbp | is that correct? | 11:00 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, you misread I believe | 11:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | johnx: is it the *other* way around? | 11:00 |
| asidjazz | any easy way to force-kill an app runnig | 11:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: fwiw, afaik the headset icon only appeared when using a BT headset :) | 11:01 |
| timeless_mbp | so the fact that someone indicates it applies to wired is news to me :o | 11:01 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, as I understand it: boot with headset plugged in, result: shows icon and routes sound correctly. after unplugging/replugging on that same boot: sound routes correctly, but icon never reappears | 11:01 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: please fix the summary | 11:02 |
| johnx | if they're plugged in after boot for the first time: sound/icon don't show up or function properly | 11:02 |
| timeless_mbp | 'headset problems' so doesn't work | 11:02 |
| timeless_mbp | "headset icon only appears if headset is plugged in before turning on n900" | 11:02 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, please re-read: "as I understand it" | 11:02 |
| asidjazz | this flash pgae in my browser wont close | 11:02 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: you can use `kill` in a terminal ... | 11:03 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, if you re-read his description, with my summary in mind, does it make sense? | 11:03 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: sorry, i'm not the reporter. I'm afraid the reporter being a non-native speaker is not accurately describing the problem. | 11:03 |
| asidjazz | im doin ga kill | 11:03 |
| asidjazz | it stops the flash | 11:03 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: i'm confused | 11:03 |
| asidjazz | but when i go to look at open tasks the browser is still shown and it pops back up | 11:03 |
| timeless_mbp | other comments 1/2 only talk about the n95 headset | 11:03 |
| asidjazz | i kill -9'ed browserd | 11:03 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: the major problem for him is that if he boots his n900 then plugs an original n900 headset he can't get neither sound nor mic working (he can get sound after loading special alsa state though). | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: simply put, if the reporter does a bad job of reporting a bug | 11:04 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, has he tried reflashing and not restoring any files/apps/settings? | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | and our triage team doesn't speak the same language as the reporter | 11:04 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: i think yes, he has tried reflashing. | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | the results are unlikely to be particularly good | 11:05 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, that sounds like a hardware problem | 11:05 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: if you read the only comment from maemo guy you'll see he didn't seem to try to read the original text... | 11:05 |
| johnx | maybe a loose socket? | 11:05 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: yes but it works with an n95 headset. | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: if you read what i wrote, you'd see that i failed to understand the original comment | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm a native speaker | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | if a native speaker can't figure out what the reporter is saying | 11:06 |
| timeless_mbp | then you shouldn't expect a non native speaker to get better results | 11:06 |
| timeless_mbp | what andre was doing is diagnostics | 11:06 |
| timeless_mbp | they're useful when you try to report a bug to the actual engineers | 11:06 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: at least the original comment says that there're particular kernel messages present. And expresses that clearly. Andre was asking about the same message, it's like he was in a hurry and didn't notice the info is already present. | 11:06 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, sometimes bug triagers make mistakes | 11:07 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: so um | 11:07 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. the original report has a lot of text | 11:07 |
| johnx | give it some time | 11:07 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. it doesn't have precise dmesg output | 11:07 |
| timeless_mbp | if andre wants to report the bug to an engineer, he's going to want the exact dmesg output | 11:07 |
| asidjazz | i love that yellow notificatoin bar | 11:07 |
| johnx | anyways, if it works for everyone else, it behaves sporadically and persists through a reflash. to me it sounds like a hardware problem with the N900 he has. Maybe it's not | 11:08 |
| timeless_mbp | not "i saw a B in the dmesg output, and maybe a Q, or was that a P" | 11:08 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: but if this is actually a hardware problem | 11:08 |
| timeless_mbp | then the right venue is indeed Nokia Care | 11:08 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: i might be stupid but in fact i thought that the comment from a @maemo guy would explain how in fact HS detection works (because apparently, the GPIO thing is for every headphones, what's interesting here is how it differentiate between a regular headphones and a stereo headset). | 11:08 |
| timeless_mbp | so i will point to my original answer :) | 11:08 |
| asidjazz | 5gb is def not enough for a vmware | 11:09 |
| asidjazz | i just ran out of room during the install :( | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: andre is a maemo.org employee fwiw, not a official nokian :P | 11:09 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: given a bit more technical details might save the guy some time because he has a multimeter and can diagnose hardware problems with headset himself. | 11:09 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: my vm machine has 40gb assigned | 11:09 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: yes, but it's maemo code that does HS detection, isn't it? | 11:09 |
| asidjazz | giving it 10gb | 11:09 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: how much free space do u have rihgt now | 11:09 |
| timeless_mbp | but i've only used 2.4gb and i have a minimal scratchbox | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: it does this based on a gpio afaik | 11:10 |
| timeless_mbp | i can compile the program qwerty gave me :) | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm not sure) | 11:10 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, yes it might. I should note that Andre is a generalist. He's a bug triager, not the guy who designed the N900 hardware, or the guy who wrote the headphone detection routine | 11:10 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: gpio event happens for any plug, including regular headphones. | 11:10 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Morning, Stskeeps | 11:10 |
| asidjazz | email app work w/ gmail? | 11:10 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: why didn't he add the relevant people to CC then? | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: define work | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: we don't like to drown our engineers in crapy bugs | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | morning qwerty12_N900 | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | engineers work on well defined bugs | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | or management tasks | 11:11 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: like do i have to install it as an imap thing and just get annoyed | 11:12 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, because, I'm not Andre, I can't answer for him. Because I can't answer for him, I can only surmise that he's trying to reproduce the same problem internally. I don't know what you want me to say. I'm not a Nokia employee. | 11:12 |
| * johnx shrugs | 11:12 | |
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| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: how big is your mailbox? | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | if it's >40k messages, i wouldn't try | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | i certainly have never fed a gmail inbox to modest | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: are we clear on wanting precise output from dmesg? | 11:13 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: i've read that somewhere else before. Usually it means that to actually report the issue you have to get through useless procedures and sometimes even incompetence of "1st level support". Management tasks, eh. Somehow if i report a bug for GCC, i can CC the relevant people right at the time i file a bug... | 11:13 |
| asidjazz | adblock plus works really well | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | do you actually object to that as a request? | 11:13 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: massive | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: forget about it. | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | use the browser | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | https://mail.google.com/mail/x/ | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | https://mail.google.com/mail/x/ | 11:13 |
| timeless_mbp | https://mail.google.com/mail/h/ | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=1 | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: instead of complaining, get involved in the bugsquad. | 11:14 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, also, response on a bug tracker tends to be quality over speed. Give him a couple days, and in the meantime, talking to Nokia support definitely seems worthwhile | 11:14 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: (precise output from dmesg) nope, that's useless, there's only one thing that gets there when you plug a headphones, that's GPIO message. It's already pretty clear it's there... | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: https://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad | 11:14 |
| asidjazz | n/m | 11:14 |
| asidjazz | ill wait for gogle to port theirs timeless_mbp | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | or http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad | 11:14 |
| * timeless_mbp tries to figure out how Stskeeps 's urls differ | 11:15 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: one asks for login, one doesn't | 11:15 |
| johnx | timeless, ssl | 11:15 |
| qwerty12_N900 | One has an 's' | 11:15 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: anyway | 11:16 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i've not come to complain. I'm trying to help the guy to diagnose the problem. But lacking hardware specs and understanding of maemo internals i can't help much. I assumed that CCing relevant people through the bugzilla ticket can help since that's a matter of 5 minutes to them to describe how the detection procedure should work... | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | other comments #2 to me implies bad hardware on the n900 | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: sorry, that's not really how things work | 11:16 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, this isn't quite a typical open source project | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: that mostly happens if the bug is imported internally | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: imagine that hypothetically there were 1,000,000 people who owned n900s | 11:17 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: (bad hardware on n900) if it was indeed bad why does n95 headset works properly with it then? | 11:17 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: imported internally? I can't even understand what you mean. | 11:17 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: comment 2 doesn't indicate the n95 headset works properly | 11:17 |
| timeless_mbp | in fact it indicates that it does not | 11:17 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, you haven't ever seen sporadically non-functional hardware? | 11:17 |
| timeless_mbp | it only works properly in one cas | 11:17 |
| timeless_mbp | e | 11:17 |
| timeless_mbp | that's my definition of "DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY" | 11:18 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: his n95 headset works every time he plugs it in he says. | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: OK, there's bugs.maemo.org and there's the internal nokia bugtracker. relevant bugs are imported from BMO to internal bugtracker and assigned a int- alias | 11:18 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: lol | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: i don't like this either but that's how it is right now | 11:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway, imagine my 1,000,000 n900 owners | 11:18 |
| ali12341 | does the n95 headset have a mic on it? | 11:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and imagine each of them filing a bug in bugs.maemo.org | 11:18 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: gcc internal bugtracker, only for important bugs to not bother _real_cool_devs_ with shit, rofl | 11:18 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, no. his N95 headset doesn't show an icon. | 11:18 |
| PaulFertser | ali12341: it does. | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: will you stop being a troll for once? :P | 11:18 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: nobody even knows for sure if the icon should be there or not. And when it should appear and how. | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | if a million people filed bugs | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: i'm telling you how things are, of course they are not the best. | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | and people were able to arbitrarily cc engineers to their bugs | 11:19 |
| qwerty12_N900 | PaulFertser: Have you considered joining talk.maemo.org? You'll quickly settle in. | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | that'd be a lot of unwanted mail for a lot of engineers | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: originally only internal bugtracker existed. | 11:19 |
| asidjazz | godamnit | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | bugs.maemo.org is an improvement in that regard | 11:19 |
| asidjazz | i turned on that damn gmail plugin | 11:19 |
| PaulFertser | qwerty12_N900: webforum? no dice. And yes, i understand your irony. | 11:19 |
| asidjazz | that makes me do math when i reply to mail late at night | 11:19 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, and yet you're claiming that it works? | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: gmail plugin? | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: oh lol | 11:19 |
| asidjazz | incase im wasted | 11:19 |
| asidjazz | loll | 11:19 |
| asidjazz | im only buzzed | 11:20 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: no icon but the sound from headphones works and mic recording works. | 11:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: anyway, if i worked on hardware, i wouldn't want to deal with this bug | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | now, if i were andre, i'd have included my own dmesg output | 11:21 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: now imagine there're 10^6 users of GCC and some bad release breaks let's say AVR support and 10^3 people are able to directly CC the key gcc developers about that. What a disaster! | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | and indicate what happens when i use the n900 headset | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: ime when gcc screws things up | 11:21 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, yeah, that suggests a problem to me of some sort. look, I really am not sure what you want at this point. if you have a question, please ask and I can try to answer. if you want to argue, I can just ignore you. I have some headsets here would it help if I tested them on my n900? | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | you get five or so bugs in each down stream bug tracker | 11:21 |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 <<< still require some testers :) | 11:21 |
| asidjazz | great | 11:21 |
| asidjazz | expanded my ubuntu disk now it wont login | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | most people never file a bug into the gcc tracker | 11:21 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: you see, the kernel says only about gpio. That's a generic procedure to detect _any_ jack. But there's some special magic about the headsets since they got a mic. | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: i don't give a F | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | now get the F out of here | 11:22 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: it'd be nice to understand how the headset detection works. | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | now. | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | ok? | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | go to H | 11:22 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, we don't know | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | do not pass Go | 11:22 |
| ali12341 | PaulFertser: i know they have some more "magic" | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | do not collect 200 USD | 11:22 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, did you have another question? | 11:22 |
| ali12341 | PaulFertser: but do not know what it is | 11:22 |
| asidjazz | these finallyfast.com commercials make me want to slaughter children | 11:23 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: i assume i'm still allowed to stay on channel after shutting up, ok? | 11:23 |
| PaulFertser | After me shutting up | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | let's pretend we're all babies, out of sight, out of mind | 11:24 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: again sorry how much frree space does your vm hvae | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | 40gb- 2.4gb | 11:24 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, of course. I can't think of anyone getting kicked from here :) Now, can I help you find a way to figure out the answer to your problem, given that I can't affect Nokia internal processes? | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | so um... 37.6gb ? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: best advice. want to improve the situation, join the bugsquad. there's nothing most of us 'sw' guys can do in here. best way is to report the issue as a HW issue to nokia care if it advertises it should work. | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: please note that bugs.maemo.org is for software bugs | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | if the problem is hardware, then the only answer has always been Nokia Care | 11:25 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: jesus what are you using all that room for? | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | as I've said 3 or 4 times already and as others have repeated | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: which? | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: vms use sparse disks | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | the 37.6gb doesn't cost me much if anything | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | timeless-mbp-2:~ timeless$ df -h . | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | rpool/export/home/timeless 131Gi 17Gi 113Gi 14% /Users/timeless | 11:27 |
| asidjazz | 15gb eh | 11:27 |
| asidjazz | err 17gb | 11:27 |
| asidjazz | so you've used 17gb for your scratchbox vm | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | that's my mac's home folder | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | it's unrelated | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i already said that my vm is 2.4gb | 11:27 |
| asidjazz | how much room will i need for ubuntu + scratchbox | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | out of a 40gb volume | 11:27 |
| asidjazz | like a strong dev enviornment | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, no clue | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i used what would be considered a 'minimal' dev env | 11:28 |
| asidjazz | how big i sit | 11:28 |
| asidjazz | is it* | 11:28 |
| timeless_mbp | i have the arm and x86 2007 toolchains | 11:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/maemo-vm-df.txt | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | is that easier to understand? | 11:30 |
| asidjazz | oh your /media | 11:30 |
| asidjazz | is 18gb | 11:30 |
| asidjazz | thats odd | 11:30 |
| asidjazz | i created a 5gb vm w/ ubuntu | 11:30 |
| asidjazz | ran out during the scratchbox install | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | actually reload | 11:31 |
| asidjazz | oh ur using ubuntu 8 | 11:31 |
| ali12341 | 5gb is barely enough for ubuntu | 11:31 |
| ali12341 | (with full desktop obv.) | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm using ubuntu 8 server | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't need x11, all my vm does is compile stuff | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | and only the stuff *i* want to compile | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | which is basically the one thing that qwerty12_N900 has mentioned above | 11:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | but if you have an xserver outside your vm | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | then you don't really need an xserver inside your vm | 11:32 |
| asidjazz | so your vm copmiles then what | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | i copy to Mer or n900 | 11:32 |
| asidjazz | whats Mer | 11:33 |
| timeless_mbp | ~Mer | 11:33 |
| infobot | it has been said that mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 11:33 |
| asidjazz | and its just a single binary? | 11:33 |
| timeless_mbp | that i'm generating? yep :) | 11:33 |
| timeless_mbp | incredibly tiny, it's just a control panel applet | 11:33 |
| timeless_mbp | which just runs a script | 11:33 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:33 |
| asidjazz | hmm | 11:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't need all the bells and whistles :) | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | it only exists because the cp people didn't provide a better way to host scripts as cpas | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (their bug) | 11:34 |
| asidjazz | well i dont have an outside xwindows | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | you are using a vm, no? | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | is the host windows? or osx? | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, it's all up to you | 11:35 |
| ali12341 | asidjazz: if you want a full ubuntu install with all desktop stuff etc *and* also maemo sdk, well, mine is 16gb, not including /home | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd probably pick 20gb | 11:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | note that i'm not going to try to build libc or mozilla in a 4gb scratchbox :) | 11:36 |
| timeless_mbp | that doesn't work :/ | 11:36 |
| qwerty12_N900 | ...and you're a traitor, anyway. Safari? Psshh... | 11:37 |
| ali12341 | libc would easily build in 40gb... mozilla ptobably not | 11:37 |
| asidjazz | ali12341: thats the entire size? shit i just did a 10gb one | 11:37 |
| ali12341 | *glibc | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | but most vm's allow you to setup disks which grow as you use them | 11:37 |
| ali12341 | asidjazz: that's for my main desktop yes, i use it for everything | 11:37 |
| asidjazz | lol i cant find 20gb on tihs lappy to use | 11:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless staff 3.3G Nov 29 11:38 /Users/timeless/Library/VirtualBox/HardDisks/maemosdk_server_intrepid-10-08.vmdk | 11:38 |
| asidjazz | ali12341: so how big is ubuntu+maemo sdk | 11:38 |
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| ali12341 | i have no idea, it depends what you install | 11:38 |
| asidjazz | fuck it ill just do it again if this dont work | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | that's the spirit!: ) | 11:38 |
| ali12341 | i know that if you rip all the crap out of windows and install it in a VM it a) runs faster than native, and b) uses about 200mb :) | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | windirstat? :) | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | (grand perspective is my friend) | 11:42 |
| asidjazz | lol wat thats not true | 11:42 |
| asidjazz | oh the 'crap' | 11:42 |
| asidjazz | like | 11:42 |
| crashanddie_ | "group staff"? | 11:42 |
| asidjazz | yo crashanddie_ | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie_: standard unix | 11:42 |
| crashanddie_ | my point exactly, what are you running? | 11:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | osx | 11:43 |
| crashanddie_ | oh, wannabe Unix then | 11:43 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie_: you realize that the /Users and /Library portion of the path give it away, right? | 11:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | it'd be /export/home/timeless/.VirtualBox on solaris iirc | 11:44 |
| crashanddie_ | timeless, hadn't read that far ahead :) | 11:44 |
| arachnist | and /usr/home/timeless on freebsd | 11:44 |
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| crashanddie_ | one of the most popular threads on open solaris is how to put your home folder on / | 11:45 |
| * crashanddie_ facepalms | 11:45 | |
| timeless_mbp | rpool/export/home/timeless 131Gi 17Gi 113Gi 14% /Users/timeless | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie_: *sigh* | 11:45 |
| asidjazz | lolll | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | note that this is OS X 10.5.8 running zfs :) | 11:45 |
| asidjazz | solaris still exists? | 11:45 |
| asidjazz | whatever happened to /home/ | 11:45 |
| asidjazz | now its all /usr/export/local/var/home/ | 11:46 |
| asidjazz | which softlinks to somtehign longer | 11:46 |
| crashanddie_ | there's a very good reason for that | 11:47 |
| crashanddie_ | if an attacker gets access to your machine | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: automounters are my friend | 11:47 |
| crashanddie_ | he will need more time to type the full command | 11:47 |
| crashanddie_ | to go and snoop around | 11:47 |
| crashanddie_ | meaning films will finally be accurate | 11:47 |
| arachnist | timeless_mbp: too bad there's no ZFS support in 10.6 | 11:47 |
| arachnist | timeless_mbp: and the zfs project has been shut-down | 11:47 |
| crashanddie_ | "OMG, Only 18 seconds before the firewall kicks in, quick, get the data" "I canne push her any harder c'pt'n, the path is too long" | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | http://github.com/dustin/mac-zfs iirc | 11:49 |
| GAN900 | Grr @ MicroB scrolling artifacts. | 11:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: gah | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: how do i fish for a package from the builder? | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | i need the sources for qwerty's zenity | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | or at least an x86 build of it | 11:54 |
| GAN900 | "You're scrolling, you must want to see parts of the last page you visited, right?" | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 11:54 |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, grab it fromextras-devel? | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think it's there | 11:54 |
| GAN900 | Oh, hum. | 11:54 |
| GAN900 | Dunno i | 11:54 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/zenity_2.28.0-1maemo1/ | 11:55 |
| GAN900 | That. | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/z/zenity/ | 11:55 |
| GAN900 | ;) | 11:55 |
| asidjazz | whats zenity do again? | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | reverse Polish ? | 11:55 |
| pupnik_ | gpodder is wonderfully handy. a few modal design blechs, but otherwise.. | 11:56 |
| GAN900 | pupnik_, UI still irritates me too much. | 11:57 |
| pupnik_ | the way functions are spread between screens? | 11:57 |
| pupnik_ | GAN900: ? | 11:57 |
| GAN900 | I just have iTunes do the downloading and move things over manually. | 11:57 |
| pupnik_ | e.g. from download window can not start tune? | 11:57 |
| pupnik_ | ah ok | 11:57 |
| lbt | WTF is going on with wifi? | 11:58 |
| pupnik_ | my video list is now too long to scroll through | 11:58 |
| lbt | It works for 1 day and then won't connect... | 11:58 |
| lbt | is this a known thing? | 11:58 |
| pupnik_ | not for me lbt | 11:58 |
| GAN900 | Ah, invoking the silent majority. | 11:59 |
| lbt | <mutter> every time I try and use this thing something seems to go wrong... | 11:59 |
| GAN900 | Gotta love Talk. | 11:59 |
| lbt | OK, off to bugzilla | 11:59 |
| GAN900 | lbt, icd spazes on me every so often | 11:59 |
| GAN900 | It claims to be connected but isn't actually | 11:59 |
| GAN900 | Mostly when migrating from one ap to another or to cellular and back | 12:00 |
| lbt | no, this is simply "Network Connection Error" "Try again? | 12:00 |
| lbt | same AP as last night | 12:00 |
| GAN900 | and mostly only when doing so automatically | 12:00 |
| GAN900 | Ah | 12:00 |
| lbt | reboot, click connect... instant connection | 12:00 |
| lbt | next morning its disconnected | 12:00 |
| GAN900 | Haven't had that since OS2008 HE | 12:00 |
| lbt | click connect "Network Connection Error" "Try again?" | 12:01 |
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| fuz_ | stskeeps : i'va managed to boot cloned os :) | 12:02 |
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| Stskeeps | fuz_: cool! :) | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: what were the issues? | 12:03 |
| fuz_ | some cellular thing blocked xsession | 12:03 |
| fuz_ | i've got other problem as well | 12:03 |
| fuz_ | tell you when i come back this evening | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: publish your console kernel somewhere, might be useful for some people | 12:04 |
| crashanddie_ | oh fuck it | 12:05 |
| crashanddie_ | i'm a fucking wimp | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | not moving to australia? | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:05 |
| crashanddie_ | I managed to "block" my back while folding a shirt | 12:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | "block"? | 12:07 |
| crashanddie_ | lock it up | 12:08 |
| crashanddie_ | like you feel something snapping/moving in your back and can't move that much anymore? | 12:08 |
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| crashanddie_ | I'VE GOT 20 MORE SHIRTS TO FOLD | 12:08 |
| johnx | :| bummer | 12:08 |
| crashanddie_ | oh well | 12:08 |
| crashanddie_ | it's official | 12:08 |
| crashanddie_ | can't go to the US | 12:08 |
| crashanddie_ | what a shame... | 12:08 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway, going back to bed, later | 12:09 |
| johnx | hope you feel better soon | 12:10 |
| GAN900 | lol | 12:10 |
| GAN900 | Get your N900 to fold 'em! | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | is it just me or has the shipping threads calmed down a little bit and there's more 'real' posts? | 12:10 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: Yes and no | 12:11 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: it is an illusion | 12:11 |
| asidjazz | damn scratchbox install wont past 20% again | 12:12 |
| asidjazz | been a while | 12:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: i sure hope i don't need maemo-optify on mer | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: maemo-optify would possibly be a no-opt on mer | 12:13 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: It fucked up the autobuilder build, so at this point in time, I could care less about it | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | but haven't looked into it yet | 12:13 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, now we have proper troll threads instead. | 12:14 |
| lbt | right, just videoed my bug | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: um, apt-get doesn't like me | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i get packages from Mer? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: and now it's moving to twitter too: http://twitter.com/darkbulb | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | failed to fetch download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo://Mer://Testing/Ubuntu_9.04/Sources 404 | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: ah, we don't have source repositories | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bug | 12:15 |
| crashanddie_ | w00t w00t, still at a strong 1.69 ratio on TMO! | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | in OBS | 12:15 |
| johnx | darkbulb? is that supposed to be ironic? | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | wow | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=398797&postcount=3 | 12:16 |
| crashanddie_ | lmao | 12:16 |
| johnx | proper response to a gimic I guess :) | 12:17 |
| crashanddie_ | Ok, I can understand people don't understand latin words than transfered to English | 12:17 |
| crashanddie_ | but "multi"? | 12:17 |
| asidjazz | the swirl motion should work viewing photos | 12:17 |
| asidjazz | also we need a 3d photo viewer thing like the n97 had | 12:17 |
| asidjazz | that thing was awesome | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: yeah, everyone complains about the fact that the browser gestures aren't supported everywhere | 12:18 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 12:18 | |
| * Stskeeps 's usefulness ratio (thanks divided by total posts) is 2.711 | 12:18 | |
| GAN900 | XChat is so purty when it's blurred behind a context menu | 12:18 |
| crashanddie_ | well, after all the "user experience" crap we've had to endure during the summit, I have to say it's quite ironic that the only trait of the N900 is that the user experience... is not consistent! | 12:18 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, doing better than me. I'm down to like .9 or so | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: do i want to see? | 12:18 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: thats a general nokia issue w/ phone os' | 12:18 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, nice | 12:19 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, how many posts? | 12:19 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: the basic issue is the swirl functionality was invented after the gui 'standard' was probably speced or something | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: user interface behavior for browsers will never match their platforms | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: um | 12:19 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, the trolling on Talk or the XChat blurring? | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: 658 total posts, total thanked 1784 | 12:19 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: shoulda prioritized finalizing something general like 'zoom' | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: xchat | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | talk doesn't exist | 12:19 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, nice work! | 12:19 |
| asidjazz | well i do agree in general | 12:19 |
| crashanddie_ | asidjazz, you're a follower? | 12:20 |
| lbt | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=398797#post398797 | 12:20 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, well, it's not a bug, I just think the compositor effect looks cool with all of the colored text. ;) | 12:20 |
| crashanddie_ | lbt, weak | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | Mer has a 2.0gb vm | 12:20 |
| lbt | crashanddie_: it's sunday | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | and it has 0 avail :( | 12:20 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 12:20 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i'll up that in my next version | 12:21 |
| * Stskeeps goes edit | 12:21 | |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i guess i can't really install Scratchbox into this Mer | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: aye :P | 12:21 |
| asidjazz | lolll lbt | 12:21 |
| crashanddie_ | already time to call it mer2? | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: so... | 12:21 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: I have a scratchbox-fake package | 12:21 |
| asyik | hello | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: mer2 = harmattan base | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | the browser zoom was added by a browser dev | 12:21 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, mer2 in french sounds like "merde", "shit" | 12:21 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, how about we jump to mer3? | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | it wasn't added by the browser ui spec person | 12:22 |
| asidjazz | nokia created the browser | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: it's a versatile word | 12:22 |
| asidjazz | same as maemo | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | and we weren't going to discuss it with the entire ui team | 12:22 |
| asidjazz | developers dont just create fatures | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | because we needed the feature | 12:22 |
| asidjazz | specs are written up of what they will do | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 12:22 |
| asidjazz | oh ok | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i work for Nokia | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | on the browser team | 12:22 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, that being said, "mer4" sounds like "meerkat" | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | a colleague of mine did this | 12:22 |
| asidjazz | ok i tought you were coming at me w/ some suggestion :) | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 12:22 |
| asidjazz | thought* | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: Mer 4.0, 'Meerkat' | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:22 |
| asidjazz | ok n/m | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm explaining facts | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | we get vetod whenever we suggest/request stuff | 12:23 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, we need codenames, clearly. | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | so this wasn't something we were going to negotiate w/ the global ui people | 12:23 |
| asidjazz | so you're saying it was an issue where it would exist or not | 12:23 |
| * GAN900 <3's UI team. | 12:23 | |
| timeless_mbp | i'm saying the browser needed a zoom | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | we implemented it | 12:23 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, http://www.comparethemeerkat.com/my-movies | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | we were not going to ask the global team to do it | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | because they'd have ordered us not to do anything | 12:23 |
| asidjazz | cuz it was obvious that there wasnt time to look back at something liek that and implement it elsewhere | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | which wouldn't have been better | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | it's better that the browser work than that everything consistently have on usable zooming | 12:24 |
| asidjazz | i agree | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | ok good ;) | 12:24 |
| asidjazz | well i hope at some point it does get implemented :) | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | note that we have a contract for maemo6 | 12:24 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, where do we vote :) | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and it says "the browser is the browser" "the platform is the platform" | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | that basically means that the browser and platform can/will diverge at times | 12:25 |
| GAN900 | "How can we take existing UI paradigms, break them and reimplement so they're completely unusable?" | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: which one? | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | or how many? :) | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not saying i like spiral zoom fwiw | 12:25 |
| GAN900 | My current pick for the day are the ctrl-* shortcuts. | 12:25 |
| asidjazz | the idea is awesome | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i was actually opposed to it, i to this day do not believe it was the right answer | 12:26 |
| asidjazz | the way it works kinda sweet | 12:26 |
| GAN900 | I never use it | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: heh | 12:26 |
| asidjazz | well idea != solution | 12:26 |
| asidjazz | does the n900 have multitouch capability (noob) | 12:26 |
| GAN900 | I just wish the rocker zoomed in steps. | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: no | 12:26 |
| Corsac | a friend of mine just received its n900, switching from a 3 years old k750, he said me it was “a jump into the 21st century” :) | 12:26 |
| asidjazz | surprised | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | well, "not really" | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | the n900 uses a resistive screen | 12:26 |
| asidjazz | hardware-wise | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: upping space for vmdks to 4gb | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | multitouch is generally a feature of capacitive screens | 12:26 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Corsac: K750i was awesome | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps++ | 12:27 |
| GAN900 | So I could get back to 100% zoom and fix the broken text rendering. :( | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: it's kinda sorta possible to hack it | 12:27 |
| asidjazz | so thats another good ? .. why did nokia choose resistive | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: resistive is an older technology | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | also cheaper | 12:27 |
| GAN900 | asidjazz, more precise | 12:27 |
| asidjazz | so stability? | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | it maps more closely to classical user behaviors | 12:27 |
| asidjazz | nokia doesnt seem to do 'cheaper' though | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 12:27 |
| * timeless_mbp rotfl | 12:27 | |
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| timeless_mbp | you're kidding, right? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't n8x0's made up of spare parts? | 12:27 |
| GAN900 | There are a variety of advantages and disadvantages to both techs. | 12:28 |
| asidjazz | well compared to alot of other phone companys | 12:28 |
| asidjazz | nokia always seems to pack in the best | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia prides itself on cost advantage against other vendors | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: when we do that, it's because we have volume | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | so we're leveraging volume to reduce cost per component | 12:28 |
| GAN900 | I rea. | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | see comment about n8x0s and spare parts | 12:28 |
| GAN900 | lly want Stantum multi | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | the 770 too fwiw | 12:28 |
| asidjazz | well i dont think its a bad choice if its more stable and maps closer | 12:29 |
| asidjazz | multitouch is kinda candy | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | the thing about multitouch is... | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | it adds cost to the base components | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and in order to benefit, you have to design everything for it | 12:29 |
| asidjazz | yea i read about that | 12:29 |
| RST38h | GAN: Talked to some Nokia devs at the recent meetup | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | to say that's nontrivial is a whopper of an understatement | 12:29 |
| asidjazz | in this article about those new 10 point touch lcd screens | 12:29 |
| RST38h | GAN: They say multitouch is the major reason for not releasing Harmattan for N900 | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: that and the fact that we have no idea what will be in harmattan or when :) | 12:30 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, awful reason | 12:30 |
| RST38h | GAN: And when I commented that multitouch isn't used widely even in iPhone UI, the response I got was "Harmattan UI heavily relies on it" | 12:30 |
| GAN900 | Multitouch is SO gimmicky in practice | 12:30 |
| GAN900 | oh brother | 12:31 |
| RST38h | No details of course, so you are free to fantasize | 12:31 |
| * Stskeeps still wonders how developers will deal with SDK's then | 12:31 | |
| GAN900 | It sounds horrifying | 12:31 |
| GAN900 | Trying to zoom on the iPhone is impossible | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | actually portions of maemo6 are supposedly open | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | unless everyone uses multitouch mac mice! | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:31 |
| GAN900 | If everything needs two fingers on the screen. . . . | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: a manager of mine has one | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | it's really slick | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | ....if you can find the sources, you're free to figure out what they've done | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: gitorious and qt/dui, yeah | 12:32 |
| GAN900 | Logitech MX Revolution | 12:32 |
| * RST38h always thought of recent mac mice as some weird kind of sex toys | 12:33 | |
| GAN900 | The One True Mouse | 12:33 |
| RST38h | Guess it started with the first iMac... | 12:33 |
| johnx | GAN900, then the phone is limited to people who have at least two fingers! discrimination! | 12:33 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: going back to quality .. compared to copmanys like htc .. motorola .. palm .. you agree nokia usually packs more impressive hardware? | 12:33 |
| RST38h | GAN: BTW, yes, multitouch means no one-handed UI | 12:33 |
| RST38h | Something lowly 5800 excels in | 12:33 |
| asidjazz | multitouch has one sole actual functional purpose imho .. zoom. | 12:34 |
| GAN900 | johnx, well, we already limit amputee usage with landscape | 12:34 |
| asidjazz | and if the cost of it is too great for that f it | 12:34 |
| RST38h | johnx: You can still use your nose and other appendages | 12:34 |
| * GAN900 talked to one of those at FLS | 12:34 | |
| johnx | RST38h, thank you for going there :) | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: i don't use htc/motorola hardware | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i've owned two sony ericssons iirc | 12:34 |
| suihkulokki | multitouch is great if you are a ancient one with dozens of tentacles | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | and truth be told, i don't care about hardware | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | what i want is for the hardware to work | 12:35 |
| RST38h | johnx: The nose thing is no joke, that is what poor Moscow metrosexuals are forced to use on their iPhones in winter season =) | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | if you read /. recently about MS-Intel | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: hence proving maemo UI team is actually tentacle creatures? ;) | 12:35 |
| GAN900 | Useful for virtual input and emulators | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | you know that wanted hardware to work is sadly much more than one can ask for | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | poor ms | 12:35 |
| GAN900 | Most everything else screams gimmick | 12:35 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: thank you for going there (C)johnx =) | 12:35 |
| asidjazz | im only really bringing up features .. cpu .. space .. etc. | 12:35 |
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| johnx | suihkulokki, I think Nokia missed out on some really unique marketing opportunities :) | 12:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: sorry, i really don't know/care | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i should put it differently | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i've bought roughly 5 cell phones since 2001 | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, no, 4 | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the first ones were nokias | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i bought them for features | 12:38 |
| GAN900 | Don't taunt the octopuss | 12:38 |
| asidjazz | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dd4_1259409112 | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't care much about cost, i wanted IR+BT+Handsfree | 12:38 |
| GAN900 | -s | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | the later phones were sony ericson | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | again, i bought them for features (ir, bt) | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | the later phones had cameras, about which i didn't really care much, and color screens (ibid) | 12:39 |
| asidjazz | the nokia 8890 was basically the sickest phone | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | the last one had a sony memorystick slot (useless) | 12:39 |
| arachnist | since 2001 i had Nokia 3330, Nokia 3100, SE K800i (last 3 years), and a Nokia N900 now | 12:39 |
| arachnist | and siemens sl45i before or after the 3100 | 12:39 |
| asidjazz | it flew around the room when you got a call | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | i was w/ Cingular for that time period | 12:39 |
| arachnist | asidjazz: how's that? | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | and when i was in ca.us looking for phones, they didn't offer nokias that had the features i wanted (ir,bt) | 12:40 |
| arachnist | (the phone flying) | 12:40 |
| timeless_mbp | i wasn't a particularly demanding customer | 12:40 |
| asidjazz | http://www.all4mobiles.com/photo/nokia%208890.jpg | 12:40 |
| timeless_mbp | quite simple demands, really :) | 12:40 |
| asidjazz | i went through like 5 of those | 12:40 |
| cvandonderen | Hiya, off question. I have Skype and Haze accounts. Is it possible to just have skype online without disabling the Haze account? | 12:41 |
| asidjazz | when theres a skype app ? | 12:41 |
| asidjazz | or addon.. | 12:41 |
| cvandonderen | asidjazz: it is built-in | 12:42 |
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| cvandonderen | just add an VoIP account | 12:42 |
| GAN900 | cvandonderen, not so far as I've been able to divine. | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | cvandonderen: you can disable any individual presence accounts | 12:42 |
| wjt | cvandonderen: you can create custom presences which have some of your accounts offline | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | by using the status thing | 12:42 |
| cvandonderen | eh? | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but i don't know what haze is | 12:42 |
| cvandonderen | I do not understand | 12:42 |
| cvandonderen | timeless_mbp: MSN | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | cvandonderen / GAN900 : you should be using enus1 :) | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | wait | 12:43 |
| wjt | timeless_mbp: haze is a telepathy component | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | are you saying haze breaks skype / vice-versa? | 12:43 |
| cvandonderen | timeless_mbp: no, it is just in the same panel | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i can have googletalk enabled/disabled independently of enabling/disabling skype | 12:43 |
| wjt | cvandonderen: open the status chooser; there's a button called something like "new status" (i forget what it's called exactly; i don't have an n900 on me) | 12:43 |
| cvandonderen | I can but everything on offline or available | 12:43 |
| wjt | ah, you can't set yourself Away? | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | cvandonderen: tap an individual account | 12:44 |
| wjt | I thought we fixed that | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | you can change it to offline | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | i still would wish there was profile based account enable/disable | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | that doesn't turn off the other accounts | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: "@home" "@work" ? | 12:44 |
| cvandonderen | timeless_mbp & wjt: found it, thanks :-) | 12:44 |
| kirma | eh. hildon-status-menu stalled | 12:44 |
| arachnist | i have jabber, skype, sip, googletalk and gadugadu in N900, and only for the last one i had to install additional plugin (haze) | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: actually @wifi @dataplan | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | @ukraine | 12:45 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 12:45 | |
| timeless_mbp | but gotcha | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd expect that'd be doable w/ third party software | 12:45 |
| asidjazz | cvandonderen: oh sweet | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | it's probably worth doing | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | cos i don't mind XMPP over data plan, but skype and MSN is a bit heavy | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | then showing people @nokia that it's valuable | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so um | 12:46 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, put them on limited data plans? :) | 12:46 |
| asidjazz | this is the longest sdk install ive ever sen | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: grumble | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i must say, that's one of the worst parts of working for nokia | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i had absolutely ZERO incentive to test skype | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | why should i? my phone bill is paid | 12:46 |
| johnx | aaah, I see what you mean | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, that's one scenario n900 isn't well suited for. non-cool data plans | 12:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: it isn't like the iPhone is better | 12:47 |
| johnx | mine is pretty damn cool, but yeah, not everyone's is :) | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: of course not, but it usually comes with a good data plan | 12:47 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, dropped connections help minimize data usage :D | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 12:47 |
| crashanddie_ | does media player support flac? | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | note: i'm not saying i want nokia to take away my plan | 12:48 |
| crashanddie_ | on the N900? | 12:48 |
| johnx | ah, though that's a iPhone/US specific thing | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | right now i'm in poland, and i can't get a personal number for 3 months now as it requires a personal ID number | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | which i don't have (yet) due to bureaucracy | 12:48 |
| crashanddie_ | or ogg? | 12:48 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, just saying they should take the higher up's data plans away :) | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | err, personal number = data plan | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | yes! | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and make the ui team roam | 12:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | at least make them leave .fi | 12:48 |
| qwerty12_N900 | crashanddie_: You want Ogg Support, available from Extras | 12:49 |
| kulve | crashanddie_: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/10/16/ogg-support-next-steps/ | 12:49 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, nah, make the higher ups use pre-production devices. they'll report bugs, UI team will fix them :) | 12:49 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, does it drain the battery? | 12:49 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: think they did, didn't you listen to ari's talk? | 12:49 |
| kulve | crashanddie_: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/ | 12:49 |
| qwerty12_N900 | crashanddie_: No idea, I use Limewire and co so all my music are MPEs | 12:49 |
| qwerty12_N900 | MP3s, even | 12:50 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, nevermind then :) | 12:50 |
| pupnik_ | ty kulve | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: some harsh words about tracker and such | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:50 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: would capasitive vs resistent screens explain the smoothness of the iphone lock slider vs nokias? | 12:50 |
| asidjazz | err the n900's | 12:50 |
| crashanddie_ | kulve, awesome | 12:50 |
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| cvandonderen | Will Skype get video calling? | 12:51 |
| GAN900 | asidjazz, no. | 12:51 |
| GAN900 | asidjazz, Apple just does animation smoothing for it. | 12:51 |
| pupnik_ | kulve: did you make a post to t.m.o? | 12:51 |
| kulve | pupnik_: yes | 12:51 |
| asidjazz | i would say its more than smoothing | 12:51 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows if those extra gst components (AC3,MKV,etc) are worth installing? | 12:51 |
| asidjazz | like if u swipe back and forth quickly it never lags where the n900 will | 12:51 |
| * crashanddie_ rips some spotify for the flight | 12:51 | |
| RST38h | Will they be automatically supported in media player? | 12:51 |
| pupnik_ | the ffmpeg opened up youtube .flvs for me RST38h | 12:52 |
| crashanddie_ | kulve, qwerty12_N900, thanks | 12:52 |
| GAN900 | asidjazz, it's also moving less than half the pixels around. | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: still in extras-devel i think, so test them out and vote? :P | 12:52 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: -testing afaik | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | same rationale | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:52 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: just wondering if they are optified and actually work =) | 12:52 |
| RST38h | "Government zeal in pursuing anyone suspected of harbouring paedophilic tendencies may shortly rebound Á | 12:53 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, look outside | 12:53 |
| RST38h | ...with unintended consequences for the 2012 Olympic logo" | 12:53 |
| GAN900 | asidjazz, did Quake III run faster on your old Pentium III machine if you reduced the resolution? | 12:53 |
| qwerty12_N900 | crashanddie_: Nothing but rain... and the binman | 12:54 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, not rain | 12:54 |
| GAN900 | s/if/when/ | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: lisa simpson giving head? | 12:54 |
| pupnik_ | notice how plugging-in headphones gets you 3 more hours music playback :/ | 12:54 |
| infobot | GAN900 meant: asidjazz, did Quake III run faster on your old Pentium III machine when you reduced the resolution? | 12:54 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, have you ever seen rain bounce back from the ground? | 12:54 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I checked the London logo - possibilities boggle the mind | 12:55 |
| qwerty12_N900 | crashanddie_: No, I can't say that I have | 12:55 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: OGC? | 12:55 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Besides, it is freaking PUPLE | 12:55 |
| RST38h | Purple | 12:55 |
| RST38h | qwerty: apparently | 12:56 |
| qwerty12_N900 | That logo still makes me crack up | 12:56 |
| RST38h | Is it a British version of FTC or what? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: you should see my uni's new logo | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | everyone hates it, for good reason | 12:56 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: link? | 12:57 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: The åarhus one? | 12:57 |
| RST38h | Well, UMD's "new" logo is not exactly a work of art either | 12:57 |
| qwerty12_N900 | *Å | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://www.designmanual.au.dk/data/24890343/logo_tre_varianter.gif | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | top one | 12:58 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: This was definitely created on a different kind of drugs than the London Olympics logo... | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | "it's not a dick." | 12:59 |
| johnx | that's such a great slogan | 12:59 |
| RST38h | Looks more like a typographic problem | 12:59 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: http://www.mukamo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/goatse-2012-olympic-logo.jpg | 12:59 |
| RST38h | BTW, whoever suggested watching Zombieland, thanks =) | 12:59 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N900, opening up london to the 2012 olympics? | 13:00 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Hehe | 13:00 |
| johnx | RST38h, might have been me. lots of brainless fun, eh? | 13:00 |
| RST38h | qwerty12: http://www.macguff.fr/goomi/unspeakable/WEBIMAGES/MISC/Sochi2014.GIF | 13:00 |
| qwerty12_N900 | That logo was shown on BBC News | 13:00 |
| asidjazz | yea zombieland rules | 13:00 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, comes wery close to Tremors in terms of hilarity | 13:00 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: *shudder* | 13:01 |
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| RST38h | johnx: A bit overdone, of course =) | 13:01 |
| johnx | I think that's part of the joke really | 13:01 |
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| johnx | and actually, it was supposed to be a TV series, IIRC | 13:01 |
| johnx | hey Omegamoon | 13:01 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Yea, plus that is what you get for easily accessible special effects | 13:01 |
| RST38h | Ah, will be waiting fo the next installment =) | 13:02 |
| asidjazz | no way Zombieland is way funnier than tremors | 13:02 |
| Omegamoon | johnx: Hi! | 13:02 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Wasn't the Zombieland director whining about how he was not going to make a sequel due to piracy? | 13:02 |
| RST38h | johnx: Also, the geeky guy appears to be identical to the one in Stargate Universe. Is it the new chic to have a geeky guy ? =) | 13:03 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah actually. The IT Crowd is a pretty popular show even. but the geeky guy in zombieland > * in stargate universe | 13:05 |
| RST38h | not in fat content, anyway... | 13:05 |
| * RST38h plays with a fork | 13:06 | |
| asidjazz | so are there any themes yet? | 13:07 |
| asidjazz | bossateal? | 13:08 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | bossa-teal looks awesome | 13:08 |
| qwerty12_N900 | And there's wazd's Marine | 13:08 |
| asidjazz | is that in the app manager | 13:09 |
| asidjazz | bossa is too brihgt and plain | 13:09 |
| qwerty12_N900 | bossa-teal: yes, Marina: no: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32761&highlight=marina | 13:09 |
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| asidjazz | dpkg -i marina.dev i assume | 13:11 |
| asidjazz | err shroot* | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: dunno | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | keep in mind that to use resistive, you need to press | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | typically w/ a fingernail | 13:13 |
| aSIMULAtor | timeless | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're trying to gracefully slide the tip of a finger, then the fact that it doesn't work well shouldn't really come as much of a surprise | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | hi aSIMULAtor | 13:13 |
| aSIMULAtor | i have a question for you, maybe you can help? | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | maybe | 13:13 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'll msg u | 13:13 |
| asidjazz | lol | 13:14 |
| Sargun_Screen | [`huh | 13:14 |
| Sargun_Screen | Does the N900 use X11? | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:14 |
| Sargun_Screen | X11/X.org | 13:14 |
| Sargun_Screen | How does it write to the screen? GL + Framebuffer? | 13:14 |
| Sargun_Screen | or some odd propietary thing | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | framebuffer + GL on top? go see xserver-xorg-video-fbdev | 13:15 |
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| Stskeeps | hej Kusk | 13:17 |
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| asidjazz | 3rd time creating an ubuntu vmware + installing maemo sdk.. | 13:18 |
| RST38h | why? | 13:19 |
| asidjazz | 1st was i didnt allocate enough room | 13:19 |
| RST38h | and why not install Ubuntu on your computer (sans VMware) and install SDK there? | 13:19 |
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| asidjazz | and allocating more broke ubuntu | 13:19 |
| asidjazz | 2nd looks like gets to maemo for the sdk died/failed during install | 13:19 |
| pupnik_ | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/11/04/#20091104-android_mythbusters Executive summary: Android is a screwed, hard-coded, non-portable abomination | 13:20 |
| asidjazz | i need to be able to copy/move this to other machines | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | old | 13:20 |
| RST38h | Or maybe you should consider getting a use-ready image with everything peinstalled... | 13:20 |
| johnx | pupnik_, yeah. more tersely: "Android is not UNIX" | 13:20 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Yea, seen that. Besides, app programmers complain that there is no market for android apps | 13:20 |
| RST38h | johnx: Not Linux | 13:21 |
| asidjazz | RST38h: those exist? :-D | 13:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: It is Unixy enough to be called Unix | 13:21 |
| johnx | RST38h, sys v ipc isn't there | 13:21 |
| RST38h | asidjazz: yes | 13:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: there are unices without it | 13:21 |
| johnx | no POSIX threads | 13:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: it is somewhat of abomination anyway | 13:21 |
| pupnik_ | yeah and it really doesn't intend to be, so that criticism may fail by criterion of false expectations | 13:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: there are unices without posix threads | 13:21 |
| asidjazz | RST38h: where? | 13:21 |
| johnx | RST38h, name one other semi-modern UNIX that doesn't have either? | 13:21 |
| RST38h | asidjazz: google? | 13:22 |
| johnx | (honestly curious) | 13:22 |
| RST38h | johnx: Why should android be semi-modern? | 13:22 |
| * RST38h can compile FBSD kernel without SySV ipc and posix threads | 13:22 | |
| johnx | don't a lot of apps end up breaking horribly? | 13:23 |
| RST38h | In fact, a few years ago, the default kernel was for some reason compiled without sysv ipc | 13:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: Some, yes. Not many. | 13:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: Mine did though (using X11 SHM) so I had to recompile it | 13:23 |
| pupnik_ | also, it's a phone appliance, and not a university mainframe :) | 13:23 |
| RST38h | well, I guess we can put this argument away | 13:23 |
| pupnik_ | still i wish that kind of big_brothr+lockdown would die in a fire | 13:24 |
| RST38h | There is nothing thee about lockdown | 13:24 |
| johnx | it's just interesting how everything else is getting more UNIXy recently | 13:24 |
| RST38h | It is more about some kid at Google who thought he could make a decent mobile Linux distro | 13:24 |
| johnx | RST38h, actually, it's from a company google bought, IIRC | 13:25 |
| RST38h | johnx: "Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to invent it again and again" | 13:25 |
| johnx | which explains the mindset a lot more | 13:25 |
| pupnik_ | HAHAHAHA | 13:25 |
| RST38h | johnx: Ok, so the kid worked in that company | 13:25 |
| johnx | RST38h, I always heard "Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reimplement it, poorly." | 13:25 |
| RST38h | johnx: And nobody pulled his hands out at the right moment | 13:25 |
| RST38h | johnx: Yea, the "poorly" part sometimes figures there | 13:26 |
| RST38h | johnx: I skipped it as it did not sound canonical enough =) | 13:26 |
| johnx | RST38h, exactly. Google probably saw a nearly "finished" product from the front end, didn't look too much into how it worked, bought it to get to market really fast and ended up with Android :) | 13:26 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Well, it is not lethal really, they can always redo the backend properly or order it from a company like EA | 13:27 |
| pupnik_ | heh | 13:27 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, not fatal, just not something I want to hack on for fun | 13:27 |
| RST38h | johnx: I would be ok with it | 13:28 |
| RST38h | johnx: Mainly dissatisfied with the necessity to go through Java | 13:28 |
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| RST38h | Still, something like HTC Leo, running Android, is going to be mighty attractive | 13:29 |
| * timeless_mbp shrug | 13:29 | |
| timeless_mbp | Android is Android | 13:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you buy Android, you're buying it for Android userspace | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | not gnu userspace | 13:29 |
| asidjazz | htc == crap | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone who thought that Android was gnu userspace is so deluded, they aren't worth talking to | 13:30 |
| RST38h | how so? | 13:30 |
| asidjazz | crap plastic | 13:30 |
| asidjazz | crap battery life | 13:30 |
| asidjazz | crap kb's | 13:30 |
| asidjazz | crap hardware | 13:30 |
| * RST38h buys phones to make phone calls and use the mobile internet | 13:30 | |
| asidjazz | crap design | 13:30 |
| RST38h | Who gives a flying fuck what "userspace" they are based upon? | 13:30 |
| johnx | RST38h, people who like porting emulators to them | 13:31 |
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| RST38h | johnx: not me | 13:34 |
| RST38h | only need a few apis | 13:34 |
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| asidjazz | lolmarina is supe rbroke | 13:36 |
| asidjazz | super broke* | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | reboot first | 13:36 |
| asidjazz | rly? i was able to choose it just fine | 13:37 |
| asidjazz | ok | 13:37 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's still unpleasant to work with a poorly designed userspace, from your point of view though, isn't it? I mean, tell me PalmOS is a fun place to work :) | 13:39 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 13:39 | |
| * timeless_mbp considers moving dev out of ~ into /media | 13:39 | |
| asidjazz | lol userspace | 13:39 |
| RST38h | johnx: I only work with applications, as long as they are ok I am fine | 13:39 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: whats ur position @ nokia? | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | browser engineer | 13:39 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: you in the US? | 13:39 |
| RST38h | johnx: When developing something, I am mainly interested in standard apis (libc really) being present | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 13:40 |
| asidjazz | finland? | 13:40 |
| timeless_mbp | . | 13:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: The userspace makes almost no difference | 13:40 |
| asidjazz | do you konw if nokia still has an sf office in the sega building | 13:40 |
| asidjazz | in san francisc | 13:40 |
| johnx | RST38h, I guess, in my mind userspace includes the libs available to the programmer (ie, everything that isn't the kernel) | 13:40 |
| asidjazz | i beleive it was for ngage.. | 13:40 |
| asidjazz | cafeteria there is a+ | 13:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: even so, semi-compliant libc is enough for me | 13:41 |
| johnx | RST38h, what I'm getting at is that you, the developer, have a limited amount of time, and if something frustrates you enough, you'll go elsewhere unless you're in it for the money (and there is serious money in it) | 13:42 |
| RST38h | yea, more or less | 13:42 |
| johnx | there's (some) money in making apps for the iphone, so anything coming late to the party better be semi-enjoyable to program for | 13:42 |
| RST38h | but lack of GNU/Linux userspace does not frustrate me | 13:42 |
| johnx | RST38h, yes. but it frustrates a lot of other people | 13:43 |
| RST38h | maybe... | 13:43 |
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| johnx | lack of windows mobile APIs frustrates a certain subset of developers | 13:43 |
| odin_ | Hmm.... I have a strange situation with my phone... web browser is running, full-screen, the bottom right button appears (to show top/bottom bars) but it doesn't work | 13:44 |
| johnx | lack of APIs that *anyone* likes can mean a lack of "amateur" (non-paid) developer enthusiasm | 13:44 |
| odin_ | if i press the power button I would expect to be able to from the drop down menu (open the home screen) | 13:44 |
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| johnx | odin_, hit ctrl+backspace | 13:44 |
| odin_ | ok that works | 13:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: you are supposed to develop for android in java | 13:45 |
| RST38h | do not forget that | 13:45 |
| odin_ | would be nice to have the same function as a button to the "on/off menu" | 13:45 |
| johnx | RST38h, that's great. some java devs like it. People who don't like java automatically hate it | 13:45 |
| RST38h | so all that userspace argument is completely out of scope as far as google is concerned | 13:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: correct | 13:46 |
| johnx | odin_, I think you can make "plugins" for that menu | 13:46 |
| johnx | would certainly be a sensible place for a task manager to be launched | 13:46 |
| odin_ | indeed | 13:47 |
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| odin_ | just a "way out" if something is not working, as users will go for off switch | 13:47 |
| johnx | odin_, if you get a chance that might be worth bringing up on talk.m.o with a brainstorm attached or as an enhancement on the bugzilla | 13:47 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: if you use shared folders on linux | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | how do you write to them? | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | err, smb maybe? not sure | 13:48 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's "out of scope" at google's own peril. And they've already opened the doors a little wider to writing "native" code | 13:48 |
| odin_ | yes I am writing down my ideas/concerns offline at the moment, maybe after Ive used it somemore some ideas might not sound so good | 13:48 |
| * Stskeeps uses scp | 13:48 | |
| timeless_mbp | i need a writable fs | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | since i have no space! | 13:48 |
| johnx | timeless, sshfs or nfs | 13:48 |
| johnx | depends on what kind of speed and permissions requirements you have | 13:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i have libsmbclient installed... | 13:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i trust myself | 13:49 |
| odin_ | is timeless_mbp releated to timeless of mozilla development ? | 13:49 |
| johnx | smb doesn't support symlinks unless I'm mistaken | 13:49 |
| timeless | odin: yes | 13:49 |
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| timeless | or rather, timeless_mbp is timeless_mbp the same timeless_mbp you'd find on irc.mozilla.org | 13:49 |
| odin_ | hi timeless 1 | 13:49 |
| odin_ | hi timeless ! | 13:49 |
| timeless | hi | 13:50 |
| asidjazz | timeless: did u see my ?'s | 13:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, that is something for Google to stumble upon and [possibly] fail | 13:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: about smoothness? i thought i commented | 13:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: None of us can suggest Google Android strategy any better than we can suggest Nokia Maemo strategy | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | about sf? | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | no idea | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | we have offices in mountainview | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc we have a couple of other offices in the bay area | 13:51 |
| asidjazz | yea | 13:51 |
| asidjazz | you have a huge one in uhm | 13:51 |
| asidjazz | mountain view kinda | 13:51 |
| asidjazz | right around there | 13:51 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: do you konw a dietrich ayala ? | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 13:51 |
| asidjazz | hah rly | 13:52 |
| asidjazz | hes a close friend | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | odin: http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/contacts/nokia-offices | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | select united states of america from the drop down | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | 650 Townsend and One Market Spear Tower | 13:52 |
| asidjazz | yea thats the sega building | 13:53 |
| johnx | RST38h, agreed | 13:53 |
| TomaszD | this interface is broken http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ | 13:53 |
| timeless_mbp | TomaszD: broken how? | 13:53 |
| TomaszD | timeless, look at the error on the right | 13:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Notice: Undefined offset: 0 in ? | 13:54 |
| TomaszD | yeah, you can't go to the second page of the extras-testing list | 13:54 |
| timeless_mbp | TomaszD: file a bug :) | 13:55 |
| TomaszD | the page chooser disappeared | 13:55 |
| TomaszD | ugh | 13:55 |
| TomaszD | :) | 13:55 |
| TomaszD | this just goes to show how often people come there and vote :P | 13:56 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Its speed does not do much to entice people :) | 13:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/?org_openpsa_qbpager_packages_in_repo_page=2 | 13:56 |
| timeless_mbp | google lets you cheat :) | 13:56 |
| timeless_mbp | page 2 :) | 13:56 |
| TomaszD | not sure if it loads the whole thing, I promoted my package yesterday and it's not here | 13:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/nameday-applet/0.5-0/ | 13:58 |
| timeless_mbp | someone should vote for that | 13:58 |
| timeless_mbp | it has 9/10 votes | 13:58 |
| RST38h | TomaszD: Hey, got a question about the gst modules package you uploaded | 13:58 |
| lopz | hola ;) | 13:58 |
| RST38h | TomaszD: Is it optified? Is it safe to use? (i.e. won't break anything serious?) | 13:59 |
| asidjazz | http://www.patrickmoberg.com/internet-vices/ | 13:59 |
| TomaszD | RST38h, I can't say about gstreamer modules as I have not touched them, merely depend on them | 13:59 |
| TomaszD | the whole package is like 9KB/s and doesn't install anything of its own | 13:59 |
| TomaszD | oops, *KB | 14:00 |
| TomaszD | :) | 14:00 |
| RST38h | TomaszD: Does show up as 2+MB | 14:00 |
| TomaszD | but yes I'm planning to fix the damn *-ugly set so it's installable | 14:00 |
| TomaszD | RST38h, look at the source, there's nothing fancy going on there | 14:00 |
| RST38h | So once I install the package, mkv and othe stuff should automagically work in the media player? =) | 14:01 |
| TomaszD | yes. | 14:01 |
| RST38h | cooooool | 14:01 |
| RST38h | gonna give it a try... | 14:01 |
| TomaszD | as long as the file formats inside the container are supported | 14:02 |
| TomaszD | which doesn't really happen often... | 14:02 |
| RST38h | true, but let us see... | 14:02 |
| TomaszD | mkv rips usually use the higher end of the h.264 profiles, which are not supported | 14:02 |
| TomaszD | and they're usually HD | 14:02 |
| TomaszD | which doesn't help | 14:02 |
| TomaszD | I have this 720p rip of topgear, I converted it down to 800*something, used Xvid and MP3, works fine | 14:03 |
| TomaszD | so I know the container support is there. | 14:03 |
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| johnx | ah, that's what was broken for me. it must have been a really "high quality" h.264 encode | 14:04 |
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| johnx | does "AVC1" mean anything in that regard? | 14:04 |
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| TomaszD | johnx, you mean VC-1? | 14:05 |
| TomaszD | if so, then no go :) | 14:05 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: why delete zenity.ui? | 14:05 |
| PaulFertser | (headset detection) well, finally instead of asking i've downloaded the kernel sources and a had a look for myself. And there's some magic in there indeed. First of all, there's some special kind of headsets: ECI. And the eci0 pin means a lot in detection scheme. I'm not sure where it is connected and if it's pulled up or down. Also i assume the best way to obtain the detection result is to use input-events utility to monitor jack sense events but ... | 14:06 |
| PaulFertser | ... unfortunately it's not in maemo repositories. | 14:06 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: It's installed in another package; leaving it in the main zenity package causes it to have a hissy-fit | 14:06 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 14:06 |
| johnx | TomaszD, nah, it's h.264 I think | 14:06 |
| johnx | VC1 was what I thought at first too | 14:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: what's sstrip? | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: checked pulseaudio? | 14:07 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: it's several layers higher. | 14:07 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: from memory eci is a proprietary nokia protocol | 14:07 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i also see there're some sysfs nodes exported that should allow to arbitrarily check the detection outcome whenever needed. | 14:07 |
| TomaszD | johnx, I think it only supports Baseline and possibly Main | 14:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and iirc we don't really implement much if any of it | 14:07 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: One of my wacky ways to knock a few Kbs off zenity. Feel free to comment it out | 14:07 |
| timeless_mbp | but i could be wrong | 14:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i hate alphabet soup | 14:08 |
| TomaszD | gonna do some tests | 14:08 |
| * timeless_mbp drowns in it | 14:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: nah, i added -f | 14:08 |
| odin_ | is there any "printing" functionality in N900 ? | 14:08 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: yes, looks like it's serial protocol to communicate with multi-button headsets. But i'm unsure how exactly it influences the detection procedure since i lack the schematics. | 14:08 |
| timeless_mbp | because i removed the optify bit | 14:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: pretty much no one i know of has useful access to those bits | 14:08 |
| timeless_mbp | if i have the right bits | 14:09 |
| timeless_mbp | and yes, this would be for multibutton fun | 14:09 |
| * Jaffa finally ways in on the console-apps in Extras thread | 14:10 | |
| johnx | PaulFertser, now here's something interesting: if I half insert my N810's headset into my N900 I get messages out of dbus-monitor about detect events, but nothing in the status bar area (icon) and I bet sound routing hasn't changed yet either | 14:10 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: thanks for sorting that thread, much appreciated | 14:10 |
| PaulFertser | Ok, now i'll try to add a useful comment to the ticket, i think that'll allow the guy to diagnose further. | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: thanks | 14:10 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, thanks | 14:10 |
| PaulFertser | :-O | 14:10 |
| RST38h | multiple buttons are usually realized with resistors, generating different voltages at the ADC input | 14:10 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, :) | 14:11 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: yes but ECI is a serial exchange protocol: /* ECI RX/TX connected to mic/bias line */ (from the sources) | 14:11 |
| RST38h | Ah | 14:11 |
| RST38h | that would need a chip in the headset then | 14:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, it's an annoyingly smart protocol | 14:12 |
| timeless_mbp | you guys are welcome to reverse it | 14:12 |
| timeless_mbp | then we could actually support the buttons from the n95 one | 14:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | but i'd have hoped eci wouldn't adversely affect basic stuff | 14:12 |
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| johnx | oooh, here's something fun | 14:13 |
| johnx | if I insert the jack slowly enough I think I can make the headset icon not show up :> | 14:13 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 14:14 | |
| timeless_mbp | isn't the jack the receptor? | 14:14 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: find /sys -name eci0_show | 14:14 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: there're some files in that directory that are of interest | 14:14 |
| PaulFertser | madc_show, detect_show, type_show | 14:14 |
| johnx | I have a "/sys/devices/platform/nokia-av" with a file eci0 in it | 14:15 |
| johnx | and eci1 | 14:15 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: yep, that's it. | 14:15 |
| PaulFertser | Sorry for _show, that's something i typed being confused. | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | oh dear | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=398915#post398915 | 14:16 |
| * Stskeeps headdesks | 14:17 | |
| johnx | sound routes to the headset though | 14:17 |
| asidjazz | timeless_mbp: what time is it there? | 14:17 |
| timeless_mbp | 215p | 14:17 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly | 14:17 |
| timeless_mbp | time for lunch | 14:17 |
| asidjazz | Stskeeps: damn | 14:17 |
| johnx | I bet it's a race condition. anyone have a bet against me? | 14:17 |
| timeless_mbp | not i :) | 14:18 |
| johnx | I can reproduce at will by plugging it in in two "stages" | 14:18 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, I'll give you good odds. c'mon, be a sport | 14:18 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, one cookie? | 14:18 |
| johnx | done | 14:18 |
| johnx | so how about 2:1 odds? | 14:19 |
| asidjazz | so the thing is the emu's are not copyright but the roms are? | 14:19 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm... since the cookie's probably bad for my figure, ok | 14:19 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, so what do you expect to be in eci0/eci1 in different situations? | 14:19 |
| johnx | asidjazz, exactly | 14:19 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: typically | 14:19 |
| timeless_mbp | unless the emus are evil | 14:19 |
| timeless_mbp | if an emulator has stolen blobs from the thing it emulates | 14:19 |
| timeless_mbp | it could violate copyright | 14:19 |
| johnx | there was an emu farm near my house for a while | 14:19 |
| asidjazz | what like containing cheats for roms or something | 14:20 |
| timeless_mbp | roms are basically a copyright violation | 14:20 |
| johnx | asidjazz, more like containing BIOS ROM dumps | 14:20 |
| timeless_mbp | ^ | 14:20 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: no idea, i lack schematics :) But i think contents of all files there together will make some sense as one would be able to compare measured voltages, gpio statuses etc with the detection code. | 14:20 |
| johnx | do you see a reference to a "detect" file? | 14:20 |
| asidjazz | sounds like nokias temporarily obeying some kind of cease and disest | 14:21 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: fwiw, mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/ in theory should help | 14:21 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: static DEVICE_ATTR(detect, S_IRUGO, detect_show, NULL); | 14:21 |
| timeless_mbp | it's easier than downloading all the sources yourself | 14:21 |
| moo-_- | emulation scene has been "off the radar" for PC for years. it is not reasonable to expect that maemo should be different. | 14:21 |
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| moo-_- | asidjazz: if nokia wants to co-op with nintendo nintendo can state the terms, I guess :) | 14:21 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: what, a large corporation trying to run an official store | 14:21 |
| timeless_mbp | which has not too long ago run a thing called "n-gage" where it partnered w/ major video game vendors? | 14:22 |
| qwerty12_N900 | wazd: Wow, didn't know you had the poetry streak in you =) | 14:22 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, yeah, i can reproduce your friend's results semi-regularly | 14:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm shocked to hear that they'd listen to lawyers | 14:22 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: thanks, i'll probably use it the next time i need to dig the sources. | 14:22 |
| asidjazz | thats different | 14:22 |
| asidjazz | lol | 14:22 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: on n900 with stock headset? | 14:22 |
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| johnx | PaulFertser, it's the N810 headset | 14:22 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: btw, he's not my friend, just some random guy from irc :) | 14:22 |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: he's using an n8x0 | 14:22 |
| johnx | I'll dig up my N900 headset | 14:22 |
| johnx | for the record, the above tests were N810 headset on an N900 | 14:23 |
| asidjazz | well the easy solution sounds like someone should host a non-nokia repository catalog | 14:23 |
| asidjazz | and its 1st added package is the emu | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | asidjazz: the main problem is that maemo.org is still not it's own legal entity.. | 14:23 |
| asidjazz | followed by the other emu's | 14:23 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: :D | 14:23 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: um, and in a non extradition country | 14:23 |
| asidjazz | or that yea | 14:23 |
| johnx | asidjazz, someone who likes getting sued and/or lives in Sweden :) | 14:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and with no intention of ever visiting the civilized world | 14:24 |
| asidjazz | sweden | 14:24 |
| timeless_mbp | (sweden isn't civilized) | 14:24 |
| asidjazz | cayamn islands | 14:24 |
| asidjazz | whatever | 14:24 |
| asidjazz | or is just small time | 14:24 |
| johnx | ahaha | 14:24 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: um | 14:24 |
| johnx | I can do it with the N900 headset as well | 14:24 |
| timeless_mbp | if maemo.org were its own legal entity | 14:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | it would hopefully choose not to try to get sued | 14:24 |
| timeless_mbp | you need to be an entity the size of google to want to get sued | 14:25 |
| timeless_mbp | and even google picks its fights carefully | 14:25 |
| asidjazz | to create/validate a cease and disest takes time/$$$ unless creating a general crawling cease and disest ruleset which most ppl can easily ignore | 14:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the last company to try this was pystar (?) | 14:25 |
| asidjazz | so you just be the awesome person and start one up | 14:25 |
| moo-_- | timeless_mbp: google, or apple :) | 14:25 |
| asidjazz | get one, have someone else be awesome | 14:25 |
| asidjazz | p2p catalog repository :) | 14:25 |
| moo-_- | nokia vs. apple will be awesome | 14:25 |
| moo-_- | that's like transformers megatron vs. optimus prime | 14:25 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091114101637997 | 14:26 |
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| moo-_- | legal grounds will be shaken for years ahead when they hit each other | 14:26 |
| asidjazz | i wouldnt give apple that much credit | 14:26 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, this is a first class bug :) It's no wonder that guy had so much trouble isolating it: if you aren't *trying* to make it happen it's really hard to figure out what's causing it | 14:26 |
| timeless_mbp | moo-_-: apple doesn't like getting sued | 14:26 |
| timeless_mbp | c.f. apple and html5 video | 14:26 |
| RST38h | By "legal grounds" do you mean the endless foul swamp? | 14:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | apple doesn't mind suing people who are dumb enough to cross it and the law | 14:26 |
| moo-_- | timeless_mbp: but they definitely picked the fight as they could have easily licensed the technology (3G essential patents) | 14:27 |
| timeless_mbp | moo-_-: hrm, i must have missed that one | 14:27 |
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| johnx | moo-_-, it's more like if megatron and prime sat down for like 3 months worth of boring talks and then ended up forming an alliance against everyone else | 14:27 |
| moo-_- | johnx: like... against humanity ;) | 14:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i know nokia played w/ qualcomm (?) | 14:27 |
| moo-_- | timeless_mbp: this http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/10/22/1541220/Nokia-Sues-Apple-For-Patent-Infringement-In-iPhone?from=rss | 14:28 |
| johnx | I wonder if putting headphones in slowly will trick the fm transmitter :> | 14:28 |
| timeless_mbp | moo-_-: oh, that | 14:28 |
| * PaulFertser tried to change summary to a more meaningful one. Hehe, failed, not enough bugzilla powers :) | 14:28 | |
| timeless_mbp | PaulFertser: if you promise to play nice, i'll upgrade you | 14:29 |
| timeless_mbp | but no name calling, and don't make me regret it | 14:29 |
| timeless_mbp | if you make me regret it, i'll terminate your account | 14:29 |
| johnx | soooo, if it's a bug that potentially causes an FCC violation in transmit power: how quickly can that be fixed? | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: let's find out or abuse it? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:29 |
| asidjazz | when going to apps the 'more' lols me | 14:30 |
| asidjazz | only pagination functionality w/ only a '2nd page' in the entire os | 14:30 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, no one is going to overpower my fm transmitter now. they can listen to *my* music if they want :D | 14:30 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: not true | 14:30 |
| * qwerty12_N900 wants to make a daemon sending fake D-Bus signals so he can hexedit fmtxd... | 14:30 | |
| asidjazz | NOT TRUE | 14:30 |
| timeless_mbp | we have advanced boxes in 5+ places | 14:30 |
| PaulFertser | timeless_mbp: thanks for the offer, but i'm afraid i'm not ready for _that_ kind of responsibility. Too immature, you know. | 14:31 |
| asidjazz | thats not pagination | 14:31 |
| asidjazz | thats iq seperation :) | 14:31 |
| RST38h | the more thing is a sad joke | 14:31 |
| timeless_mbp | this is just the only place normal people see it | 14:31 |
| johnx | I believe I'm obligated to add to this bug report :) | 14:31 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, sorry, do you have the bug # on hand? | 14:31 |
| RST38h | it is like saying "we were too busy (or lazy) to make a proper application selector" | 14:31 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: sure, 6360 | 14:31 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: nah | 14:32 |
| RST38h | bug 6360 | 14:32 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6360 Headset problems | 14:32 |
| asidjazz | lol RST38h | 14:32 |
| timeless_mbp | it's more like "we tried this for the 770/n800/n810" | 14:32 |
| timeless_mbp | "it didn't work" | 14:32 |
| timeless_mbp | "we give up" | 14:32 |
| johnx | much obliged RST38h | 14:32 |
| yannj | Does anyone know how can I compile a new kernel module for maemo? | 14:32 |
| timeless_mbp | "people can use the home screen to build their own app selector instead" | 14:32 |
| asidjazz | you might as well replaced 'advanced' w/ 'nerd' | 14:32 |
| asidjazz | NERD STUFF | 14:32 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: while you're at it, please change the summary to "N900 headset (Nokia WH-205) not recognised by N900" or something. | 14:33 |
| johnx | well that's weird. now my detection is screwed up I think :/ | 14:33 |
| * RST38h can think of a few ways to do this propely | 14:33 | |
| johnx | PaulFertser, it's all headsets, AFAICT | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | yannj: 'kernel' debian source package, go nuts | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:33 |
| RST38h | And for those lacking imagination, Finnish forests are home to 250+ kinds of mushrooms | 14:33 |
| asidjazz | timeless how does this channel not drive you nuts | 14:34 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: i usually don't watch it | 14:34 |
| timeless_mbp | and usually it's tame | 14:34 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: the detection routine is really tricky, it turns BIAS power on/off, measures voltages, tries ECI communication etc. I'd not made such a bold claim. | 14:34 |
| * lbt points Jaffa at http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/ | 14:34 | |
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| ali1234 | PaulFertser: been testing the headsets... there magic in there, because the tv out cable triggers the gpio 177 but not the icon... | 14:34 |
| asidjazz | this should be #maemoRADbutlemmetellyouwhereyourewrong | 14:34 |
| PaulFertser | ali1234: indeed. | 14:34 |
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| johnx | PaulFertser, then I'll spend another 10 minutes and tell you if I can reproduce it on $15 stereo headphones :) | 14:35 |
| PaulFertser | ali1234: but without understanding of where and how ECI0 and ECI1 connected i can't explain much. | 14:35 |
| yannj | Stskeeps : I followed the kernel documentation, I compiled the module on my computer in the SDK, I wonder if I can just drop the module on my device | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | yannj: sure, remember depmod though | 14:35 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, alright. turns out I didn't neat 15 minutes :) | 14:36 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 14:36 | |
| * timeless_mbp runs out of disk space again | 14:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: can i remove languages? | 14:36 |
| johnx | I can reproduce mis-detection 80%+ of the time on anything with a 3.5mm audio jack | 14:36 |
| max_posedon | hi! I have little problem with checking-neon(arm float)-support configure script | 14:36 |
| asidjazz | need more datas | 14:36 |
| PaulFertser | yannj: sometimes compiling modules makes it necessary to update the kernel image too, but you'll know exactly if it's the case when you try to modprobe it. | 14:36 |
| max_posedon | current pixman's check passes on arm5tel, ehich is wrong | 14:36 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 14:37 | |
| johnx | s/neat/need/ <- yeah, dunno about that | 14:37 |
| timeless_mbp | do i want to know why my mer has python2.5 and python2.6? | 14:37 |
| max_posedon | Does anybody know correct example for checking neon-support? | 14:37 |
| asidjazz | ok | 14:37 |
| asidjazz | the sdk finally finished | 14:37 |
| yannj | PaulFertser : I am compiling the ppp and ppp_mppe kernel module to port PPTP_client | 14:37 |
| RST38h | max_posedon: read a sysfs file | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: localepurge | 14:37 |
| * johnx reboots to make sure his detection didn't get screwed up at some point | 14:37 | |
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| timeless_mbp | woohoo | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | zenity built | 14:38 |
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| johnx | PaulFertser, can you find anyplace that looks timing sensitive? like say, if one or two rings (pins?) were in contact, but others weren't | 14:39 |
| max_posedon | RST38h, 1. which one and how? I don't have any cpu with neon. 2. I don't think that such check looks good | 14:39 |
| * RST38h unsubscribes from the silly red-pill thread | 14:39 | |
| RST38h | more silly than the "maemo5 emulator" probably... | 14:39 |
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| PaulFertser | johnx: yes... | 14:39 |
| fnordianslip | on my n900, pressing Space or Shift+Space in the browser doesn't page down/up by the right amount. is this a known bug? | 14:39 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: assuming n810 is close to n900 i think i can try to understand the eci pins... | 14:40 |
| asidjazz | where is maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh | 14:40 |
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| johnx | PaulFertser, sorry, maybe I wasn't clear: I can reproduce this problem on *any* audio equipment that plugs into an N900 with a 3.5mm plug | 14:41 |
| johnx | I just did it with normal $15 stereo headphones | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12: are xparents numbers? | 14:41 |
| yannj | another question : where can I find the source for libcityinfo ? | 14:41 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: yes, probably it got detected as an "open cable". There's some delayed detection of those. | 14:41 |
| asidjazz | ugh i didnt do the -u USER | 14:41 |
| RST38h | max_posedon: /proc/cpuinfo | 14:41 |
| qwerty12 | timeless_mbp: Yes: XIDs | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | yannj: closed source | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | yannj: closed | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | yannj: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/ | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | yannj: (please make a very good argument on bugs.maemo.org why this is horribly stupid and the database should be closed instead) | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | has all the open bits | 14:42 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, should be a test for that. it shouldn't let me turn on the fm transmitter anyways | 14:42 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: and it's not exactly reproducing the reporter's issue since he's experiencing problems only with original headset, not with regular headphones (and i assume he plugs both with the same speed :) ) | 14:42 |
| max_posedon | RST38h, sometimes we haven't /proc, I want correct check, that can gone upstream | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: it's nokia proprietary junk | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | they claim copyright to putting Maine north of Floriday | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: it's one of those apis that make no sense to have closed | 14:43 |
| max_posedon | some code, that will fail compile time | 14:43 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, it's pretty finicky. I have to concentrate to make it act up with my headphones, but it's quite easy to reproduce with my N810's headset | 14:43 |
| RST38h | fail compile time? | 14:43 |
| max_posedon | like regular! configure.ac way | 14:43 |
| RST38h | Why it is easy | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: it'd be embarrassing if people could read the sources! | 14:43 |
| RST38h | __asm { neon_instruction; } | 14:43 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, uhm. if I tell you that cat detect returns "1" does that help? | 14:43 |
| max_posedon | yep, this is how configure works, isn't it? | 14:43 |
| RST38h | And you are instantly fucked up. | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libcityinfo/cityinfo_8c.html | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it is fairly embarassing already at that point | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: "osso" | 14:44 |
| yannj | Stskeeps : I opened a bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6359 , I hoped to fix it by myself | 14:44 |
| povbot | Bug 6359: Geolocation show the wrong country when more than one country code in cities database | 14:44 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: not really, i think it could probably help if you get the output of all the files in there after semi-plugging and fully plugging, and added them to the ticket so they do not get lost. | 14:44 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, fair enough | 14:44 |
| RST38h | BTW, have to admit that SSH/SCP work like a charm in 42.11 firmware. No more disconnects. Or almost no disconnects. | 14:44 |
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| johnx | I thought you might have seen the return values in your kernel code spelunking | 14:45 |
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| Stskeeps | yannj: ask if libcityinfo can be oss'ed so you can fix the bug :P | 14:45 |
| qwerty12 | Good luck with that... | 14:45 |
| yannj | who might I ask?? | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | yannj: make a bugs.maemo.org bug on it | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:46 |
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| LuciusMare | Hello | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | yannj: anyway, i gave lardman a list of things to fix in city info | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | someday i'll file bugs for them | 14:46 |
| LuciusMare | Nokia n900 hasn't been released yet? | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | most of this can be fixed w/o sources | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare: yes.. | 14:46 |
| LuciusMare | timeless_mbp: it was? | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp | you can buy it in normal stores.. | 14:46 |
| LuciusMare | phew | 14:47 |
| LuciusMare | timeless_mbp: i was scared for a minute | 14:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | you thought the world ended? | 14:47 |
| yannj | Stskeeps : should I open a bug for "Please oss'ed libcityinfo " ? | 14:47 |
| LuciusMare | timeless_mbp: at one side,i saw yt videos like "first looks" | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | HEL doesn't freeze over until january | 14:47 |
| achipa_irssi | you have to wait for the pandora for that | 14:47 |
| LuciusMare | timeless_mbp: but at nokia.com there was PREORDER | 14:47 |
| LuciusMare | i am planning it for christmas | 14:47 |
| LuciusMare | i was freaked like hell | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | yannj: right, and CC quim.gil@nokia.com and carsten.munk@gmail.com | 14:47 |
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| LuciusMare | and so,there is also "preoder" at amazon...so where can i buy it? | 14:48 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Still noticed that your request for libsharingdialog has gone unanswered... Ah well, fuck 'em and I hope people steal Petrovich code to take advantage of libsharingdialog | 14:48 |
| yannj | Stskeeps : ok... Whish me good luck | 14:49 |
| arachnist | "Petrovich code"? | 14:49 |
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| PaulFertser | johnx: i'm not that fast in understanding kernel code to immediately diagnose this bug unfortunately and anyway the relevant info should be on bugtracker, i hope that some kernel dev in nokia will finally take care of that. | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: is the library really in the same package as the datafile? | 14:49 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, sadly, I think the kernel might be "doing the right thing" and something higher up may be confused | 14:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | johnx: are the dmesg messages reasonable? | 14:50 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, I've mostly been reading /sys/devices/platform/nokia-av | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 14:51 |
| johnx | I was about to document what those files contain in different situations | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | sounds good | 14:51 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: probably... detect returning "1" means HEADPHONES | 14:51 |
| PaulFertser | /* or line input cable or external mic */ | 14:51 |
| johnx | PaulFertser, perfect. I can get detect to show one with headphones inserted and no icon and no sound routing | 14:51 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: detect calls detect() function everytime you read it. But the jack sense event is generated only when it returns 1 after being called after GPIO event it seems. | 14:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | qwerty12: ok, seems to work | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | now i just need to figure out what to do about zenity | 14:53 |
| johnx | anyways, I'll add some meat to this bug, then go to sleep :) | 14:53 |
| * timeless_mbp considers trying to get advanced tools to work for rewriting po files | 14:53 | |
| asidjazz | what is zenity? | 14:54 |
| yannj | Please vote if you can : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6418 | 14:54 |
| povbot | Bug 6418: Some bugs with Libcityinfo, please make it OpenSource | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: a commandline dialog builder | 14:54 |
| johnx | asidjazz, it lets you call a basic GUI from a script | 14:54 |
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| asidjazz | what for simplicity? | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | for people who don't like compiling code | 14:54 |
| qwerty12 | timeless_mbp: You have upload rights, right? Try uploading the source from that folder I gave you. If it works, great; if it does not, I'll take a look | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12: since i've hacked it, i'd rather not right now | 14:55 |
| asidjazz | so its a precompiled parameter fed dialog box? | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | esp not from this place | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | asidjazz: roughly, i suppose | 14:55 |
| asidjazz | you feed it like params and display rules and it returns responses? | 14:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | yep | 14:55 |
| qwerty12 | timeless_mbp: Fair enough | 14:55 |
| asidjazz | thtas like a step in teh direction of webos amirite | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | well... | 14:56 |
| asidjazz | maemotml? :) | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | since i usually write my guis in perl | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | and webos is html | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | it's mostly backwards | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | but roughly, sometimes writing a gui using C/Gtk/Qt is stupid | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | all you do is waste time making bad uis | 14:57 |
| johnx | instead you can have bad GUIs instantly! | 14:57 |
| moo-_- | timeless_mbp: most of the time writing gui in C is stupid :) | 14:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | since i'm basically a hacker, my goal is to provide the features to a user | 14:57 |
| asidjazz | exactly timeless_mbp | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | such that someone else can fix the ui later | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | by e.g. improving zenity | 14:58 |
| asidjazz | i do agree w/ moo-_- though | 14:58 |
| asidjazz | i tis | 14:58 |
| timeless_mbp | someone=qwerty12 fwiw | 14:58 |
| moo-_- | timeless_mbp: real hackers don't document their code or have polished end user experience | 14:58 |
| timeless_mbp | moo-_-: you know of an exception? :) | 14:58 |
| moo-_- | yeah, I like that | 14:58 |
| asidjazz | REAL HACKERS | 14:58 |
| timeless_mbp | (to gui in C) | 14:58 |
| moo-_- | and who needs these users in the first place? :) | 14:58 |
| asidjazz | AKA IM TOO IMPORTANT | 14:58 |
| moo-_- | real hackers don't need users | 14:58 |
| timeless_mbp | my users should never use my GUI anyway | 14:59 |
| timeless_mbp | it's just there for the annoying people who need to file bugs w/ original strings and don't want to uninstall my package to do it | 14:59 |
| Oli`` | Is it possible to quickly turn a OSX .wdgt Widget into something I can plonk on my n900's desktop? | 14:59 |
| moo-_- | timeless_mbp: I know one exception, at least. these guys are senior real hackers and they make tough statements about their code: http://bfg.repoze.org/ | 15:00 |
| moo-_- | 100% unit tested, no undcoumented code | 15:00 |
| asidjazz | AKA FIGURE IT OUT | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Oli``: so.. | 15:01 |
| Lynoure | http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Get_started_with_Maemo_5/ tells me to install maemo-qt4-env ,but I cannot find it. What repo is it in? | 15:01 |
| timeless_mbp | for most definitions of "quickly" i guess "no" | 15:01 |
| moo-_- | Lynoure: I think the instructions are outdated | 15:01 |
| timeless_mbp | Oli``: ... there was a package for diablo which would convert a .wdgt into something that could maybe work | 15:01 |
| timeless_mbp | Oli``: but afaik we never shipped it | 15:01 |
| moo-_- | and maemo-qt4-env is something coming with nokia dev env installer | 15:01 |
| Lynoure | moo-_-: that I used, so I guess I should be fine. | 15:02 |
| Lynoure | moo-_-: thanks. | 15:02 |
| PaulFertser | n810 lacks ECI support, no chance to understand it fully looking at n810 info... | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | my mer x session died | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | "oops" :) | 15:03 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 15:09 | |
| timeless_mbp | what the heck? | 15:09 |
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| asidjazz | installation successful | 15:09 |
| asidjazz | im scaread to touch it | 15:09 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, ouch | 15:09 |
| timeless_mbp | um, why can't i run my ARM library on my INTEL vm? :) | 15:10 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to kick the packaging | 15:10 | |
| johnx | asidjazz, take a snapshot | 15:10 |
| asidjazz | good idea | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | ouch | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | so um, this sucks | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | um... | 15:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | so... can someone explain how .install files work? :) | 15:11 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Did Nokia/the council email you before taking stuff down from Extras? | 15:11 |
| qwerty12 | timeless_mbp: http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/install-devel.html | 15:13 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12: wrong .install | 15:13 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean debian/install or debian/{package}.install | 15:13 |
| qwerty12 | Ah. man dh_install? =) | 15:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | looks like i need to hack Makefile and change .install | 15:15 |
| timeless_mbp | Makefile=debian/rules | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=398984&postcount=59 | 15:16 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | could have been handled much more insanely | 15:20 |
| wrapster | when i run a simple script like so... | 15:20 |
| wrapster | sorry... | 15:20 |
| wrapster | im having issues running my the python script on n900 | 15:21 |
| wrapster | says permission denied. | 15:21 |
| wrapster | but in the scratchbox when i run the same script it works fine... | 15:21 |
| wrapster | could any one please help me... | 15:21 |
| johnx | wrapster, is python installed? is the script executable? is it pointing to the right python executable? | 15:22 |
| johnx | *is the script on a vfat partition?* | 15:23 |
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| wrapster | johnx: python is isntallled, right executable as in? | 15:23 |
| wrapster | could you tell me the path.. | 15:23 |
| johnx | which python | 15:23 |
| wrapster | on scratchbox its /scratchbox/tools/bin/python | 15:23 |
| wrapster | so thats where it was pointing to. | 15:24 |
| johnx | (literally, type that at your console on the device) | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: Hi :-) | 15:24 |
| wrapster | ok. | 15:24 |
| johnx | the other thing. if you copied it to the device with usb, it's on a part of the card that's FAT32 and can't be executed | 15:24 |
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| PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: Hey :D | 15:25 |
| fnordianslip | wow, that was weird. my n900 just started making a noise like a geiger-counter in a hot zone, after i upgraded omweather with app man. | 15:25 |
| qwerty12 | It's a trap | 15:26 |
| johnx | changelog: enabled geiger counter to find hot zones around your house | 15:26 |
| fnordianslip | lol | 15:27 |
| fnordianslip | all seems normal after a reboot, which i was planning on doing anyway, as IIRC omweather always wanted one | 15:28 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 15:28 | |
| timeless_mbp | wtf | 15:28 |
| wrapster | johnx: yeah thats more likely to have happend... | 15:30 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, why does dpkg-genchanges care about previous versions of my package? | 15:30 |
| wrapster | johnx: i dont have the phone.. im writing scripts and giving it to my friend she owns one | 15:30 |
| wrapster | johnx: could you please tell me a step by step approach to get it working? | 15:30 |
| johnx | wrapster, aaah. yeah, that would do it. you could tell her to run: python script.py | 15:31 |
| johnx | actually. one sec | 15:31 |
| wrapster | ok | 15:31 |
| timeless_mbp | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS | 15:31 |
| timeless_mbp | As indicated above, noopt will disable optimation. | 15:31 |
| timeless_mbp | what is "optimation"? | 15:32 |
| wrapster | johnx: well she is not answering the call :( | 15:32 |
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| johnx | if she copies it over usb connected from a computer, it will be in /home/user/MyDocs | 15:32 |
| timeless_mbp | wrapster: you're calling a girl? | 15:32 |
| wrapster | johnx: step wise approach please.. i'll go whack her on the head... | 15:33 |
| wrapster | timeless_mbp: well i dont own that phone now... so cant crib much. | 15:33 |
| johnx | so if she starts X Terminal, tell her to type: python MyDocs/script.py | 15:33 |
| wrapster | johnx: ok | 15:33 |
| wrapster | johnx: chmod 755 script.py was what i had done on my machine .... do you think that has any effect when its running? | 15:34 |
| wrapster | johnx: on the phone | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | remember #!/usr/bin/python in the top? | 15:35 |
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| wrapster | #!/scratchbox/tools/bin/python is that correct? or should it be #!/usr/bin/python | 15:35 |
| johnx | wrapster, basically, here's the thing. the N900 has three different "partitions" / is ubifs (with normal unix permissions), /home/user is ext3 (with unix permissions), /home/user/MyDocs is vfat (with no permissions) | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | wrapster: real n900s don't have /scratchbox .. | 15:36 |
| johnx | wrapster, the second one on the N900 | 15:36 |
| wrapster | johnx: so if its run on a vfat partition then the script wont run is it? | 15:37 |
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| johnx | you should be able to run it as "python script.py" but not as "./script.py" or "/path/to/script.py" | 15:37 |
| johnx | if you run it as "python script.py" you don't need to worry about the #! line at the top either | 15:38 |
| johnx | anyways, best of luck | 15:38 |
| johnx | I need some sleep :) | 15:38 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: thanks for testing the headsets :) | 15:39 |
| PaulFertser | johnx: good night | 15:39 |
| wrapster | johnx: ok thaks .. good night | 15:39 |
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| * timeless_mbp hates writing deb scripts | 15:40 | |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, is dh_install a verb? | 15:43 |
| Khertan_n900 | Hello again ! | 15:43 |
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| achipa_irssi | lardman|gone: hey, what's with the '=' dependency on pyqt ? | 15:43 |
| yannj | Does anyone knows I 3G connection uses PPP? | 15:44 |
| Khertan_n900 | does the front small webcam on pre production summit device is defective ? | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n900: you'd think so, yeah | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:44 |
| Khertan_n900 | stskeeps seriously ? i m trying to use it ... but i got a strange result | 15:45 |
| yannj | like really bad quality? | 15:45 |
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| Khertan_n900 | really poor quallity | 15:47 |
| yannj | gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src device=/dev/video1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! autovideosink | 15:47 |
| yannj | I tryed with that | 15:47 |
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| yannj | and the quality is really really poor, but it's a 0,3Mpx cam. .... so | 15:48 |
| yannj | and I have a strip on left side | 15:48 |
| achipa_irssi | yannj: resolution has nothing to do with it | 15:49 |
| Khertan_n900 | hum ... gst-launch not found 2min | 15:49 |
| achipa_irssi | yannj: the strip is a firmware issue, supposedly fixed in 43-* | 15:49 |
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| yannj | is 43 released? | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12: ping | 15:50 |
| qwerty12 | timeless_mbp: Pong | 15:50 |
| achipa_irssi | yannj: not for the general public yet, afaik | 15:51 |
| yannj | ok... | 15:51 |
| yannj | too bad | 15:52 |
| Khertan_n900 | hum also with gst-launch i can see that the quality is like looking a vhs which was put in micro wave | 15:52 |
| timeless_mbp | yannj: week numbers are mostly internal gunk | 15:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | just because a week exists doesn't mean it'll ever be released publicly | 15:52 |
| timeless_mbp | the fact that we had both 41 and 42 is more of an anomaly than a pattern | 15:52 |
| Shapeshifter | guys, the menu which comes up when clicking on the application name, what kind of menu is it, "framework" speaking? I'm coding something in Qt and I want to add a menu. But it isn't a simple menubar, is it? | 15:53 |
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| Khertan_n900 | you means that there is week which which doesn t exist ... ? oh so my calendar is lying ? | 15:53 |
| Khertan_n900 | :) | 15:53 |
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| clmntch | good morning | 15:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan_n900: most weeks don't exist | 15:54 |
| timeless_mbp | and we don't publish calendars :) | 15:54 |
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| achipa_irssi | never said that there will be a 43, only that it's fixed there, there have been sighting of newer ones :) | 15:54 |
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| Khertan_n900 | so i should add a bugs in maeno.org as it display all weeks in the fremantle calendar apps | 15:55 |
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| Khertan_n900 | it s look like that preproduction have a bad camera but is it hw or sw ? | 15:56 |
| moo-_- | Khertan_n900: how do you mean? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n900: probably not calibrated well | 15:56 |
| spaghetty | hi | 15:56 |
| spaghetty | someone have info about sync contact from N900 tu Ubuntu ? | 15:57 |
| Khertan_n900 | oh i ve just putting light up in the room and now it s far away better | 15:57 |
| Khertan_n900 | :) | 15:57 |
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| achipa_irssi | Khertan_n900: it's just as crappy on production models according to feedback | 15:58 |
| Robot101 | Shapeshifter: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4Hildon#Hildon_menus | 15:59 |
| sgbirch | Khertan_n900: I joing came in and caught your last comment about production models .. of what do you speak? | 15:59 |
| Khertan_n900 | it s a pre production i have | 16:00 |
| Robot101 | sgbirch: the forward-facing webcam | 16:01 |
| sgbirch | ahhh .. ok thanks | 16:01 |
| sgbirch | Is there a VirtualBox VM which has the maemo dev tools preinstalled? | 16:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: for maemo4? yes | 16:04 |
| sgbirch | not 5? | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | the thing i found was maemo4 :( | 16:04 |
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| wrapster | to run a few system cmds.. i ran os.system('grep <something>') but os.system does not work | 16:07 |
| wrapster | can anyone please tell me if the API is supported on n900 | 16:08 |
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| wrapster | or how do i get such calls working via a python script? | 16:08 |
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| RST38h | heya javispedro | 16:10 |
| javispedro | hello all | 16:10 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Morning, javispedro | 16:10 |
| * javispedro glances at the mirrors appearing.. | 16:11 | |
| javispedro | I'd prefer nothing to appear for now | 16:11 |
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| javispedro | (damn, can't they want for a few days? the worst part is that some of the people pming don't even have the n900 but are already asking for mirror!) | 16:11 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I already expressed my opinion in that thread | 16:12 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: Welcome to the all-new Talk :) | 16:12 |
| achipa_irssi | wrapster: it works, what's the third param on grep ? | 16:12 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Basically, I am greatly inclined to start charging $19.99 for a copy simply to filter out all the freeloaders | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: in case of rapidshare you might be able to point to the non-commercial clause in the license | 16:12 |
| achipa_irssi | wrapster: if you want io with what you call, use the subprocess module | 16:13 |
| wrapster | os.system("top -n 1 -b > process_output.log") ; os.system("sed -n '7,$p' process_output.log > full_info.log") | 16:13 |
| wrapster | these are some of the os.system usage i am doing... | 16:13 |
| wrapster | but none of the os.system lines work... could any one please test it out and tell me how to get it working.. pls. | 16:13 |
| javispedro | Mirrors appearing now is nearly _accepting_ that they will never be on extras again. I personally prefer to wait for the official NO then I point them to the mirror on my site (which has been online since the dawn of time and noone seems to have realized) | 16:13 |
| derf | What?! Freeloaders in open source? | 16:13 |
| derf | Say it ain't so. | 16:14 |
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| zerojay | javispedro: You don't even wanna know some of the PMs I've gotten. | 16:14 |
| wrapster | achipa_irssi: subprocess modules? | 16:14 |
| RST38h | derf: None of my stuff is open source. | 16:14 |
| wrapster | achipa_irssi: could you please explain? | 16:14 |
| derf | RST38h: Oh really? | 16:14 |
| zerojay | javispedro: Hate mail from people thinking that I took down your packages so they can't play their free gamez anymore. | 16:14 |
| derf | Then you _should_ charge for it. | 16:14 |
| RST38h | derf: Ok, ColEm and fMSX are, but you can probably guess that nobody is interested in these | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: O_o | 16:14 |
| RST38h | derf: That is my thought exactly :( | 16:15 |
| achipa_irssi | wrapster: that should work, but watch out for busybox | 16:15 |
| javispedro | zerojay: you evil conspirator, take off your copyright czar hat! | 16:15 |
| zerojay | RST38h: I was actually surprised you didn't start charging for the initial Maemo ports, actually. | 16:15 |
| zerojay | lol | 16:15 |
| wrapster | achipa_irssi: didnt understand | 16:15 |
| RST38h | derf: And not even because I am some greedy capitalist pig (which I obviously am :)) | 16:15 |
| * Stskeeps gives zerojay the power to electrocute people over the interneet | 16:15 | |
| Stskeeps | -e | 16:15 |
| javispedro | LOOK AT THEM | 16:15 |
| RST38h | zerojay: Well, the user base is small and they do not come to me asking to hold their hands, so no time spent on support | 16:15 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Charging for them on Maemo 4 would make no sense whatsoever, but Maemo 5's a whole new game | 16:16 |
| achipa_irssi | wrapster: some top/sed/whatever stuff coukld be missing | 16:16 |
| achipa_irssi | wrapster: run the command from console | 16:16 |
| wrapster | achipa_irssi: ok | 16:16 |
| RST38h | zerojay: In a situation like that, why would I care to charge money? | 16:16 |
| zerojay | I had people arguing that the first amendment to the US constitution gives them the right to your packages... lol | 16:16 |
| qwerty12_N900 | *facepalm* | 16:16 |
| range | snicker* | 16:16 |
| range | * | 16:16 |
| zerojay | RST38h: Good stuff. I remember how you used to catch a lot of shit for charging for emulators in the past. | 16:16 |
| derf | It always surprises me how many people appear to not have actually _read_ the first amendment. | 16:16 |
| * pupnik wants to see javispedro on television | 16:17 | |
| javispedro | what? NOBODY reads anything | 16:17 |
| range | Bah, reading. | 16:17 |
| RST38h | zerojay: Well, the situation with the Windows version was exactly that | 16:17 |
| zerojay | derf: It always surprises me that they know how to type. | 16:17 |
| pupnik | :P | 16:17 |
| zerojay | RST38h: Yeah, I remember the uproar back in the day, actually. | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | so now we have the communist cabal and we have the "THOSE WHO TOOK OUR PACKAGES AWAY" cabal? | 16:17 |
| RST38h | zerojay: When you start getting 20 emails a day written in broken capitalized English, you start wondering | 16:17 |
| derf | http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2002-06-24 | 16:17 |
| zerojay | RST38h: Haha... yeah, I can imagine. | 16:17 |
| RST38h | zerojay: And end up charging for access. Which instantly fixes things. | 16:17 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: Yes, you see I'm the M. Bison of the Maemo world apparently. I'm keeping your red pillz away and kicking your gamez off my system. | 16:18 |
| pupnik | javispedro: prefer to wait for the official NO then I point them to the mirror on my site << this is the proper thing to do | 16:18 |
| RST38h | zerojay: Because you can now legally and ethically tell to whoever has not paid for it to FUCK OFF. | 16:18 |
| javispedro | pupnik: appearing on TV... for having doing nothing? I would have to live with the guilt of having freeloaded from the actual emulator authors. | 16:18 |
| pupnik | i just think it's funny | 16:19 |
| zerojay | RST38h: Makes sense to me. I remember seeing all the people publically bitching. | 16:19 |
| pupnik | :) | 16:19 |
| pupnik | and the nicest port from gp2x land so far | 16:19 |
| derf | To say nothing of the original _game_ authors. | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Ah, the Horror, the Suffering... | 16:19 |
| javispedro | game? I only play elevator madness with this. | 16:19 |
| derf | Right. | 16:19 |
| pupnik | i really loved that | 16:19 |
| pupnik | the cheesy spies | 16:20 |
| RST38h | derf: Original game authors use iNES to play their old games =) | 16:20 |
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| * RST38h has got a few emails stashed somewhere to prove that | 16:20 | |
| odin_ | the little nokia power adaptor CA-148C (Make In China) is squelling like a pig now | 16:21 |
| * javispedro ponders how someone's reason for buying the n900 is retrograming even when I tried hard to make clear that the pandora would be better suited for that. | 16:21 | |
| zerojay | RST38h: I don't think you have an emulator for what I've put out so far, so I can't say the same thing. :/ | 16:22 |
| KMFDM | RST38h, you removed your iNES package from extras-devel? | 16:22 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: The Pandora exists? | 16:22 |
| RST38h | zerojay: Just wait for another 20 years :) | 16:22 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N900: since NOBODY who pm'd for mirrors has a N900, does that matter? | 16:22 |
| zerojay | RST38h: DS and Wii shit. :) | 16:22 |
| zerojay | haha. | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: could make the most evil package, a package that generates wallpapers based on random runs of the nes emulators! | 16:23 |
| RST38h | javispedro: We are not talking retrogaming here | 16:23 |
| zerojay | lol | 16:23 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: Haha, fair point | 16:23 |
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| ShadowJK_ | odin_, and melting? | 16:23 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I can bet that 90% of posters in those threads are not even 20 years old yet | 16:23 |
| Quibus | Hi, how can I file a bug against the gcc wrappers? I found a small testcase that shows the dependencies are not correctly generated with -M flags | 16:23 |
| RST38h | javispedro: So, all they want is some free games, mostly GBA games because these are most recent | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: in scratchbox? | 16:24 |
| odin_ | ShadowJK_, no not melting... just distracting | 16:24 |
| javispedro | RST38h: there is a 13 year old making a lot of noise at least. | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: hope it's working in sb2. | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:24 |
| Quibus | Stskeeps: yes | 16:24 |
| RST38h | javispedro: exactly | 16:24 |
| ShadowJK_ | odin_, all my nokia chargers (though I haven't tried the one with N900 yet) squeal :) | 16:24 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: I take offence to that :( | 16:24 |
| ShadowJK_ | the CA-148C has been known to go into meltdown though | 16:24 |
| Quibus | E.g. in Linux, this command line: g++ -MP -MMD -MF hello.d -o sub/hello.o -c sub/hello.cc gives this output: sub/hello.o: sub/hello.cc | 16:24 |
| Quibus | but in scratchbox you get: hello.o: sub/hello.cc | 16:25 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Hey, you are a freak, as far as teenagers go =) | 16:25 |
| RST38h | qwerty: NOT typical :) | 16:25 |
| Quibus | this kills dependency checking on openMSX's build system | 16:25 |
| odin_ | ShadowJK_, the plugin part is below the desk, this adaptor thing is just 2 inchs from phone, but why is squeel its doing something with the power? protecting the phone maybe from stupidity | 16:25 |
| * javispedro notes the irony | 16:25 | |
| qwerty12_N900 | Hehe | 16:25 |
| zerojay | I don't really see the desire to have emulators on the N900 honestly. I don't really find them very playable. | 16:26 |
| RST38h | depends on the game | 16:26 |
| Quibus | Stskeeps: um, so can I put this someone so that developers can work on this bug? | 16:26 |
| zerojay | If they ran better and we had more input options aside from the laggy wiimote.. okay, makes much more sense. | 16:26 |
| odin_ | yeah... give us XBox emulation :) | 16:26 |
| RST38h | besides, I will play Goonies on *anything* | 16:26 |
| Quibus | s/someone/somewhere | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: bugs.maemo.org but i wouldn't expect it to get fixed :/ | 16:26 |
| Quibus | Stskeeps: why not? | 16:26 |
| zerojay | I set up my PS3 for emulators with a nice frontend and everything. | 16:26 |
| derf | Because: a) people have time to waste and b) they only want to carry one device with them. | 16:26 |
| ShadowJK_ | odin_, it's probably a step-down buck regulator in there, taking the voltage down from the 6.X volts of the old nokia charger to 5.0V for USB | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: Harmattan is moving on to SB2 and anyone who had a clue regarding Scratchbox1 is in the loonie bin by now | 16:27 |
| zerojay | Got video previews and everything. | 16:27 |
| zerojay | Pretty nice. | 16:27 |
| javispedro | :'( | 16:27 |
| * RST38h cackles approvingly | 16:27 | |
| Quibus | Stskeeps: so, sb1 is a messy mess? :-) | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | some really really cool work by claesbas: http://castus.dnsalias.com:8080/share/mer_bootvideo_800x480_mstrcomp_draft1.avi | 16:27 |
| RST38h | zerojay: Depends on what system you are talking about. N900 is pretty good on emulating 8bit hw | 16:28 |
| RST38h | zerojay: And even 16bit hw, most of the time | 16:28 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Wow. SB2 and Qt. Harmattan FTW! /s | 16:28 |
| RST38h | zerojay: GBA stuff is sluggish, but that was to be expected. It is no real GBA | 16:28 |
| Quibus | Stskeeps: which product to pick? | 16:28 |
| wrapster | achipa_irssi: so instead of using os.system(" ") you recommend using os.popen("something > file") ; a = file.readlines(); <do what i want here> | 16:29 |
| wrapster | achipa_irssi: which would be a safe bet? | 16:29 |
| Quibus | ah, development platform, presumable | 16:29 |
| Quibus | y | 16:29 |
| javispedro | yet another red pill thread. | 16:29 |
| Quibus | Stskeeps: so, can I test with sb2? | 16:30 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I feel like it is time for an exodus | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: maemo sdk+ and see | 16:30 |
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| Quibus | Stskeeps: ? | 16:30 |
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| zerojay | RST38h: I don't know... I get a very stuttery 20-30fps out of iNES at best. | 16:31 |
| RST38h | zerojay: I always get 59-60fps on N900 | 16:31 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Quibus: Note that the autobuilder for extras-devel (community repository; 1st of a 3-step process of getting things into Extras which is a repository that comes with the N900 by default) uses SB1 | 16:31 |
| RST38h | zerojay: Yea, it is set to draw 35% frames, but this only contributes to slight jitter | 16:32 |
| qwerty12_N900 | "Download 2012 and New Moon on[...]". Delete. | 16:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Should we simply create another Google group? | 16:33 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=399103 | 16:34 |
| javispedro | I had to do it. | 16:34 |
| zerojay | I had to thank you. | 16:34 |
| Quibus | qwerty12_N900: OK | 16:34 |
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| zerojay | javispedro: Refresh the thread. lol | 16:35 |
| Shapeshifter | Robot101: thanks | 16:35 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: You forgot to make it red | 16:35 |
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| javispedro | I forgot to dedicate it to certain people | 16:37 |
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| RST38h | and make it flash | 16:38 |
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| RST38h | in fact, it should be flashing red on purple | 16:38 |
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| javispedro | I have to wonder how they associate being pull from the repo == released. | 16:39 |
| javispedro | *pulled. | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | half of them probably does not understand what they are talking about. They came to the thread for those links. | 16:40 |
| javispedro | RST38h: and people give them links to rapidshare urls which host non-working or os2008 builds, and they orgasm all over the thread about it | 16:40 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Y'know, there's gonna be a direct correlation between the debs posted in that thread and the usage of Red Pill going up | 16:41 |
| javispedro | when all they have to do IS FSCKING WAIT. | 16:41 |
| javispedro | a few days at most. | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | tell them by sharing the stuff they might end up being party to a court case and make them piss their pants? :P | 16:42 |
| javispedro | it does not work, they feel safe behind their pseudonyms | 16:42 |
| javispedro | but why I am worrying? | 16:43 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: they are minors, so their parents will =) | 16:43 |
| derf | "We're logging your IPs. The NSA has been notified." | 16:43 |
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| javispedro | another pm | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | 10 bucks to the guy who posts as Czar@Nintendo | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:44 |
| javispedro | ah, antivirus thread. | 16:45 |
| javispedro | I was missing it already. | 16:45 |
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| javispedro | I remember when the "which antivirus" thread opened in the WristPDA (a PalmOS wristwatch) -- the idea of your wristwatch running an antivirus amused me to death. | 16:46 |
| javispedro | *WristPDA forum | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | Bring back the crazy Polish guy!!! | 16:49 |
| zerojay | lol. | 16:49 |
| zerojay | I'm asking people to not mirror my package out of respect. | 16:49 |
| zerojay | I doubt anyone will listen to me anyways, but we'll see. | 16:49 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Darius? | 16:49 |
| javispedro | zerojay: but RST is right, for that you'd need big violet flashing letters | 16:49 |
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| javispedro | or use your recently acquired remote-electrocution powers. | 16:49 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Yea | 16:50 |
| zerojay | Oh yes. | 16:50 |
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| javispedro | Engadget seems to believe that with the conversations video Nokia was advertising they had their own suite of emulators. | 16:51 |
| RST38h | javispedro: you would need that power with cascade reaction to take 'em all out | 16:51 |
| javispedro | at least that's what I understand from their " with cascade reaction to take 'em all out" | 16:51 |
| javispedro | err... | 16:51 |
| RST38h | hehehehe | 16:51 |
| javispedro | at least that's what I understand from their "N900 emulatin' is still easy to come by from third parties -- check one out after the break." | 16:51 |
| RST38h | ah who cares | 16:52 |
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| javispedro | well, if the "skimming" bloggers at engadget believe that, imagine what the "copyright czar" would believe. | 16:52 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile in Switzerland: Voters in a referendum on Sunday voted in favour of imposing a blanket ban on the building of minarets in Switzerland, | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | hEY guyZ! i HERD i CAN EMULATE N900 ON MY GAMEBOY! | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:53 |
| rm_you | lol | 16:53 |
| zerojay | RST38h: I have no idea what a minaret is, but it sounds dangerous and communist! | 16:53 |
| javispedro | btw | 16:53 |
| RST38h | zerojay: it is muslim. muslim is the new communist. | 16:53 |
| javispedro | RST38h rm_you: feature request for packrat: parsing Pre-Depends ;) | 16:53 |
| zerojay | lol.. jk, but I really don't know what a minaret is. | 16:54 |
| RST38h | javispedro: isn't it done already? | 16:54 |
| rm_you | zerojay: i seem to remember they're involved with Spirals :P | 16:54 |
| * RST38h seems to remember doing it | 16:54 | |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: It is the spire of a mosque. | 16:54 |
| rm_you | :P | 16:54 |
| javispedro | RST38h: it only shows "Depends" here (package openttd has openttd-data in pre-depends) | 16:54 |
| * rm_you briefly recalls something about a Spiral Minaret from some old mario game or other. | 16:54 | |
| RST38h | ah | 16:54 |
| rm_you | will look at it later | 16:55 |
| rm_you | gotta drive home now (5-7 hours) | 16:55 |
| rm_you | bbl :P | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Wave. | 16:55 |
| javispedro | thanks, bye! | 16:55 |
| javispedro | or should I've said khtxbye | 16:55 |
| Quibus | that is shorter | 16:56 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: It's OK, we're not on Talk | 16:56 |
| pupnik | I should write an Ovi store app that blocks all known maemo viruses. | 16:56 |
| zash | pupnik: sounds easy | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: And one for freedom advocates, that unblocks them. | 16:57 |
| pupnik | haha | 16:57 |
| * javispedro watches latest post and screams the Wilhelm Scream | 16:57 | |
| pupnik | operator of computer decides what to run. is hacker way. | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Well - yes... | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: But - look at the botnet cloud. | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Operator of computer works fine for people with a clue. | 16:58 |
| qwerty12_N900 | pupnik: int main(int argc, char** argv){gtk_init(&argc, argv); hildon_banner_show_information(NULL, NULL, "Your N900 is protected, have a good day!"); gtk_main(); return 0}? | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Especially if maemo takes off, and you have a million 12 year olds with no clue using it, 'operator of computer' doesn't work so well - especially when there is no vetting of applications. | 16:59 |
| javispedro | you're missing the "if (rand() > THRESHOLD) { "Your N900 has a virus! Please buy our extended antivirus program for $99.99 | 16:59 |
| javispedro | " }" | 16:59 |
| * Stskeeps starts making a hit list based on the people who voted yes on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35385 | 17:00 | |
| pupnik | bah qwerty12_N900 open-sourced it before i could patent! | 17:00 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Whoops :\ | 17:00 |
| javispedro | lol it is a non anonymous poll! | 17:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: JoinDate>=10/1/2009 works | 17:00 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Who's gonna be the first to put "I am rich" on the Ovi store? | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | Apparently, Ovi Store is implemented in such a way that nobody can ever submit an app there and get it accepted | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | heh, i am still waiting for the first people to get pissed, and implementing the Alternative Ovi Store | 17:02 |
| RST38h | So, my guess is that it will simply die after a year or two, like all the previous Nokia app stores | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | it is 100% technically possible | 17:02 |
| * RST38h can implement an alternative in a matter of a week | 17:03 | |
| RST38h | If needed | 17:03 |
| javispedro | what does Ovi Store have that everybody is so interested in it? | 17:03 |
| javispedro | (and that the maemo.org/downloads page has not?) | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Nothing but hype | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: so far we don't know | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't up for n900 yet is it? | 17:03 |
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| javispedro | nope afaik | 17:04 |
| javispedro | the maemo.org/downloads page is | 17:04 |
| RST38h | Weakminded think that by being endorsed by Nokia Ovi Store becomes "special" | 17:04 |
| * javispedro is tempted to post in antivirus thread... I'm still too young to have learned from the experience | 17:05 | |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: I wish Reggie would've given him a perm. ban... | 17:05 |
| sgbirch | javispedro: antivirus software for the N900. That should sell well to ppl coming from Windows :-) | 17:06 |
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| * RST38h suggested spamming tmo with otherworldly news and rumors before | 17:08 | |
| javispedro | cmon, cmon | 17:08 |
| javispedro | just a few seconds ant the emulators thread will vanish from the active topics list! | 17:08 |
| RST38h | Just to drive these lemmings completely mad | 17:08 |
| javispedro | yeah! | 17:08 |
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| RST38h | "Nokia stops N900 production, skips straight to Harmattan devices next year" | 17:08 |
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| javispedro | vanished! bring in the champagne | 17:08 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: Until it gets bumped with new links for mirrors :) | 17:09 |
| javispedro | but chances are much lower now :) | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i'm not entirely sure if that's fake or not :P | 17:09 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: That is the key: the news should not look fake | 17:09 |
| RST38h | "N900 keyboard shown to cause capral tunnerl syndrome in iPhone users" | 17:10 |
| RST38h | "Maemo to run on existing Symbian phones by May 2010" | 17:10 |
| javispedro | I like that one | 17:11 |
| RST38h | Of couse you do, that is the second hint ;) | 17:11 |
| javispedro | bonus links if we manage to get a .zip file with garbage in a .nokia.com subdomain | 17:11 |
| clmntch | does the n900 support AWS | 17:11 |
| javispedro | s/links/points | 17:11 |
| RST38h | Has to be at the edge of reality (1) and universally liked/disliked (#2) | 17:11 |
| javispedro | I mean I'd like to see how they would kill themselves for the "attached" file, I don't have a symbian phone =) | 17:11 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: The virus-harbouring .sis file would have to be signed for the full effect | 17:12 |
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| wrapster | does anyone have n900 here.. who is ready to do me a favor? please | 17:14 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Wow, I see this style of post is catching on: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=399183&postcount=47 | 17:15 |
| javispedro | you see what happens in the new TMO? someone posts a good bootup video and the thread gets converted into a "how to install bootvideos" thread. | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: colours should be banned on tm | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | o | 17:16 |
| javispedro | then, when we don't answer, | 17:16 |
| RST38h | qwerty: self-signed should be fine | 17:16 |
| javispedro | he starts up a new thread on how we all suck | 17:16 |
| * RST38h thinks of responding "Please, fuck off already" then goes back to work | 17:16 | |
| Quibus | Stskeeps: well, I filed the bug, I hope it's OK: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6420 | 17:17 |
| povbot | Bug 6420: g++/gcc wrapper generating wrong deps | 17:17 |
| Quibus | right, thanks povbot :-) | 17:17 |
| javispedro | NOOOOOOOO emulators thread back. | 17:17 |
| RST38h | Oh shit, C code commented in Chinese... | 17:19 |
| qwerty12_N900 | From docpurge: "Real hackers don't need docs." | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: looks right | 17:19 |
| wazd | at least my Sonic wallpaper can't be pulled cause it's from Sega, so fffuuuu Nintendo :D | 17:20 |
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| RST38h | wait until sega comes knocking... | 17:20 |
| javispedro | oh | 17:21 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Nah, we need javispedro to port a Megadrive emulator, first, and for Nokia to release a video showing it being used with a downloaded Sonic ROM | 17:21 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: I like the first part :D | 17:21 |
| qwerty12_N900 | :) | 17:22 |
| * javispedro still ponders why I am getting such amount of free publicity for nothing :) | 17:22 | |
| wazd | javispedro: it's all your fault! :) | 17:22 |
| javispedro | it is? they will banish me from maemo.org! :'( | 17:23 |
| javispedro | I will buy an archos TabletPC MWAHAHA | 17:23 |
| qwerty12_N900 | That's like living a life of celibacy... | 17:23 |
| wazd | javispedro: buy HD2, join my army :D | 17:23 |
| javispedro | Windows Mobile! never! | 17:23 |
| pupnik | qwerty12_N900: re: your awesome post up there. Maemo has arrived! | 17:24 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Hehe | 17:24 |
| javispedro | If I were to buy a phone, I would buy the Palm Pre =) probably the palm virus still hiding in me :P | 17:24 |
| wazd | javispedro: I bet it's gonna have android rom soon | 17:24 |
| Khertan | javispedro: do some application like mine ... for developpers ... and you ll not get no publicity :) | 17:25 |
| wazd | ~seen fiferboy | 17:25 |
| infobot | fiferboy <i=480c97c3@Maemo/community/contributor/fiferboy> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 3h 15m 25s ago, saying: 'later all'. | 17:25 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Imagine what happened when I first released iNES... | 17:25 |
| * Khertan don't know if he should do release his bittorrent ratio faker python scripts ... it could be popular ... but not good for bittorrent network :) | 17:26 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: but you deserved it, you coded the entire emulator for scratch :) | 17:26 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Khertan: Bad boy! | 17:26 |
| javispedro | s/for/from | 17:26 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Khertan: I hit-and-run... | 17:26 |
| Khertan | qwerty12_N900: yeah i know ... but i can't upload all the day from my nit so i got a bad ratio :) | 17:26 |
| wazd | javispedro: and he's made it with a single finger! without display! :D | 17:27 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Khertan: Hehe... I once found this page full of hacked BitTorrent clients... It was bliss :) | 17:27 |
| Khertan | lol | 17:27 |
| javispedro | man, you're all evil | 17:27 |
| RST38h | javispedro: NOBODY deserves this | 17:28 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Not more than being suffocated by a swarm of fruit flies | 17:28 |
| Khertan | i just make a simple proxy ... the first time it was for fixing the pb with announing and kTorrent ... | 17:28 |
| Khertan | but in the same time :) | 17:28 |
| Khertan | i do some modification | 17:28 |
| Khertan | s | 17:28 |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 <<< Still require some tester ... :) | 17:29 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://foto.mail.ru/bk/kirik-ch/other/877.html :D | 17:31 |
| Quibus | wazd: and who are that? | 17:32 |
| qwerty12_N900 | There's something wrong in that picture: I see no AK-47s | 17:32 |
| RST38h | wazd: Which one is the g0dzilla guy? | 17:32 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: that guy in red tie won n900 :) | 17:32 |
| qwerty12_N900 | wazd: Hehe | 17:32 |
| Khertan | i was asking my when we will got the first antivirus question on n900 ... : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=399121#post399121 | 17:32 |
| wazd | Quibus: that's Moscow n900 meetup | 17:33 |
| wazd | RST38h: dunno | 17:33 |
| Khertan | won a n900 doing what ? | 17:33 |
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| wazd | Khertan: accidentally :D | 17:33 |
| Khertan | lol | 17:33 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Standing in the crowd =) | 17:33 |
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| RST38h | That was probably the only case knwon to me when such a prize went to a person who could actually make use of it | 17:34 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJxs3sHW3Bc - unknown marketing guy | 17:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: haven't found us on photos btw :) | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | good at hiding wazd ! | 17:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: should be good thing | 17:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep :) | 17:36 |
| wazd | lcuk: actually some jerk was shooting me very aggresively | 17:36 |
| Khertan | All nintendo emulator have been removed from extras repository ? | 17:36 |
| javispedro | Khertan: you too, my son? ;) | 17:37 |
| lcuk | wazd, you need your army training! | 17:37 |
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| Khertan | hu ... it s just emulator ... doesn't use Nintendo materials ... i didn't understand | 17:38 |
| javispedro | yeah, they removed basically everything | 17:39 |
| javispedro | nintendo-related. | 17:39 |
| Khertan | this sucks ... as if i ve well understood the emulator on the wii was using some part of open sourced emulator | 17:40 |
| javispedro | well that you'll never know. | 17:41 |
| * javispedro wonders what's this g0dzilla guy and if sending him a multipar rar file encrypted with both whatever .rar uses, gpg, and custom rijndael implementation will calm him down. | 17:41 | |
| Khertan | yep i ven't reverse engined the wii emulator version ... so i couldn't be sure | 17:42 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: I recommend RST38h/wazd shoot him with some Ketamine | 17:42 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: You mean, he isn't on drugs already? | 17:43 |
| Khertan | who is g0dzilla ? | 17:43 |
| RST38h | some idiot | 17:43 |
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| javispedro | TMO idiot :) | 17:43 |
| RST38h | went nuts over nintendo stuff being withdrawn | 17:44 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: In that case, some more can't hurt! | 17:44 |
| RST38h | qwerty: AFAIK, they use aminazin in asylums | 17:44 |
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| cvandonderen | if there a package of libfftw for Maemo5 somewhere? | 17:44 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: To quickly stop psychotic behavior in patients | 17:44 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Got some nasty side effects though | 17:45 |
| javispedro | cvandonderen: seems not, but there was one for os2008. | 17:45 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Like curing the patient? | 17:45 |
| cvandonderen | javispedro: I know, so no updated version yet.... | 17:45 |
| cvandonderen | blegh | 17:45 |
| cvandonderen | does that take a long time to compile? | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | qwerty12_N900: What a good idea! | 17:45 |
| RST38h | qwerty: mental patients generally can't be cured, only "socially adapted" =) | 17:46 |
| * SpeedEvil gets out his big barrel marked 'bacon cure, extra dry'. | 17:46 | |
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| wazd | who's that g0dzilla guy? :) | 17:46 |
| RST38h | qwerty: But yeah, that is what they achieve with medication - "socially adapt" the patient so that he does not go onto rampage, as long as he takes the medication | 17:46 |
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| nnod | does anyone know how to do this on the n900: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357#c17 | 17:46 |
| povbot | Bug 5357: Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# | 17:46 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: This one apparently missed a dose | 17:47 |
| * qwerty12_N900 nods | 17:47 | |
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| RST38h | nnod: 5357 has apparently been fixed internally | 17:47 |
| javispedro | note that the side effects are : "inability to initiate movement and inability to remain motionless" | 17:47 |
| * cvandonderen thinks: yes, I can update my settings again! (number starts with *#) | 17:48 | |
| nnod | RST38h: that's good, but i'd like to check my balance now... | 17:48 |
| RST38h | javis: yeah, sounds consistent with what witnesses reported | 17:48 |
| RST38h | nnod: You can use voice services, no need to do this with the special number | 17:48 |
| cvandonderen | RST38h: not true with all providers | 17:48 |
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| RST38h | peruse the website then | 17:49 |
| RST38h | you have got the browser in that n900 | 17:49 |
| Khertan | RST38h: for some providers voices must be paid ... :) | 17:49 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Not here though =) | 17:49 |
| cvandonderen | yeah, well, Vodafone NL uses some codes which are only changeable by dialing a *# number, even customer care cannot do it | 17:49 |
| * RST38h never even knew about *# codes to check balance | 17:49 | |
| nnod | well, does anyone know the address to the modem? /dev/ttyS?? | 17:49 |
| Khertan | RST38h: and information on website didn't work on n900 because require true wap browser :) | 17:49 |
| javispedro | here you have to pay for BOTH the *# number and the voice services number | 17:50 |
| javispedro | around 25 euro cents | 17:50 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: For O2-UK, *# is the only way, AFAIK | 17:50 |
| qwerty12_N900 | 150 is free on T-Mobile UK | 17:50 |
| RST38h | Khertan: It is all very disturbing, I can't understand why it all works in Russia but never works in supposedly "civilized" western world =) | 17:50 |
| RST38h | <willbeback> | 17:50 |
| javispedro | Who explained to me that the reason info is so closely guarded here is because of the basic need geeks have to feel superior to others. And since the N900 is far more advanced than other devices it's a revenge of the nerds kinda thing. | 17:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: noooo, they have spotted me :D | 17:51 |
| javispedro | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa | 17:51 |
| javispedro | haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa | 17:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://foto.mail.ru/bk/kirik-ch/other/872.html | 17:51 |
| Khertan | RST38h: "civilized" in france means ... paid paid paid | 17:51 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:51 |
| * javispedro ROFLs | 17:51 | |
| wazd | RST38h: damn, am I really that tall from the side? :) | 17:52 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N900, your patch for fbreader, did you submit it to the fbreader devs | 17:53 |
| lcuk | so they can officially push it | 17:53 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: What's the point? They aren't interested in doing anything, anyway | 17:53 |
| lcuk | is fbreader in the rpeoistory already? | 17:54 |
| lcuk | repository too | 17:54 |
| * lcuk hit the keys in no defined order | 17:54 | |
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| qwerty12_N900 | It's in extras-devel and it was not installable for the first few weeks because of missing libfribidi. And MishaS had no plans to upload that. It was only installable once mikkov had uploaded it | 17:55 |
| lcuk | javispedro, :D you likey my antivirus cleanup tool then :D | 17:55 |
| Khertan | lcuk: if the first letter and the last of words are at the right place ... it's not a problem :) | 17:55 |
| javispedro | lcuk: i liked your post, the first useful one of the day in tmo :) | 17:55 |
| lcuk | if people are concerned, play on those concerns :) | 17:56 |
| Khertan | lcuk: you make a fake one ? | 17:56 |
| lcuk | its not fake! | 17:56 |
| lcuk | i installed it fine | 17:56 |
| lcuk | and now i have a 14" dong | 17:56 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: It has ".exe" on the end! | 17:56 |
| lcuk | yeah | 17:56 |
| lcuk | it works on maemo tho | 17:57 |
| lcuk | honest | 17:57 |
| * lcuk actually did build binaries at first with .exe | 17:57 | |
| lcuk | so i could tell the difference | 17:57 |
| Khertan | lcuk: url is incorrect | 17:58 |
| wazd | http://applerejectedme.com/ :D | 17:59 |
| lcuk | it works at this end | 17:59 |
| lcuk | run a virus check before downloading | 17:59 |
| lcuk | you must already have a virus | 17:59 |
| * javispedro goes to register http://maemo.org.rejectedme.com | 17:59 | |
| nnod | the post at the bottom of http://juick.com/Unatine/394204 shows how you can use dbus-send to call numbers with *#: dbus-send --system --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:"$1" uint32:0 | 18:00 |
| wazd | yeah, nokia is the second apple :) | 18:00 |
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| nnod | it's meant to be in a bash script so $1 is the number to call | 18:00 |
| * Khertan will register ... maemo.org.stillinextra-testing.com | 18:00 | |
| wazd | freedom, opencource, blah-blah :) | 18:00 |
| javispedro | opencoarce ;) | 18:00 |
| Khertan | as http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 is still in extras-testing ... <<--- require testers | 18:00 |
| nnod | but it doesn't seem to work for my swiss sunrise prepaid sim | 18:00 |
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| wazd | I made an app that makes the iphone have crappy 3G, but since that duplicates functionality….ARM :D :D | 18:02 |
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| yuizy | :D | 18:02 |
| wazd | I made an app of Tic-Tac-Toe for the iphone. Apple sent me a letter saying it was too confusing for the average user. ARM. | 18:04 |
| wazd | jeez :D | 18:04 |
| lorelei^ | nnod: which "service code" did you use? | 18:04 |
| javispedro | well | 18:04 |
| javispedro | it IS too confusing for the average iphone user ;) | 18:04 |
| Quibus | a letter? | 18:04 |
| Quibus | Wow. | 18:04 |
| nnod | lorelei^: *121# | 18:05 |
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| nnod | lorelei^: it makes a voice call actually and the a recording says the number is not accessible | 18:06 |
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| lorelei^ | nnod: ah..interesting...and with*21*# ? | 18:06 |
| lorelei^ | nnod: *121*# | 18:06 |
| nnod | lorelei^: same recording | 18:07 |
| lorelei^ | nnod: (I don't have a n900 yet, but I have a prepaid swiss sunrise sim) | 18:07 |
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| nnod | perhaps com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith isn't the right method call | 18:08 |
| fuz_ | hello again | 18:08 |
| nnod | lorelei^: ok | 18:08 |
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| fuz_ | so am i the first with a cloned os w/ n900 ? :) | 18:09 |
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| nnod | is anyone else tunnelling with iodine over gprs? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: nah, but i didnt publish mine | 18:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh, for some reason, when I run my pyqt app in the SDK instead of on my laptop natively, the gui never shows up when I add this line: menubar = QtGui.QMenuBar(self) | 18:11 |
| fuz_ | sts: you should have :) | 18:12 |
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| fuz_ | sts: mine is not fully working | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK_ | what's iodine? | 18:12 |
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| fuz_ | sts: do you find it's slower than the original one ? | 18:13 |
| lorelei^ | nnod: are you currently in switzerland when doing the *121*# call? I don't think that it should matter (I'm guessing that *# service codes are transferred when roaming is in use, at least it did when I was in the US)...but who knows.. | 18:13 |
| nnod | ShadowJK_: http://code.kryo.se/iodine/ | 18:13 |
| nnod | lorelei^: yes i can use the number with my n70 | 18:13 |
| lorelei^ | nnod: ok | 18:13 |
| nnod | lorelei^: i am in the netherlands currently | 18:13 |
| lorelei^ | well..if it works in the n70, then my point is moot :/ | 18:13 |
| arachnist | hmm | 18:14 |
| arachnist | N900 is very right-handed | 18:14 |
| fuz_ | sts: on mine hildon-status-menu segfaults and startup-pin-query blocks xorg starts,i've had to disable both, do you have any idea ? are they working for you ? | 18:15 |
| lcuk | arachnist, really | 18:15 |
| lcuk | i am left handed and dont have a massive problem | 18:15 |
| wrapster | guys could anyone of you please help me? | 18:15 |
| wrapster | its kinda important | 18:15 |
| arachnist | lcuk: try turning on the "Turning control" in the phone app | 18:15 |
| lcuk | why would i want to do that | 18:16 |
| arachnist | wrapster: say what's your problem first | 18:16 |
| lcuk | i dont want to accidentally the whole thing | 18:16 |
| nnod | lorelei^: how do you top up your sunrise prepaid? | 18:16 |
| lcuk | arachnist, it also has to be based on way because the mic is at that end | 18:17 |
| lcuk | if you rotated it the other way you would be talking into the speaker | 18:17 |
| arachnist | hm, | 18:17 |
| arachnist | good point | 18:17 |
| lcuk | and imho look sillier than a taco talking ngage user | 18:18 |
| lorelei^ | nnod: usually I do it from sunrise's website (with a credit card) | 18:18 |
| nnod | lorelei^: can you put money on any number or do you have to log in to your my sunrise account? | 18:18 |
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| * javispedro ponders | 18:18 | |
| qwerty12_N900 | arachnist: The open-source hildon-desktop is responsible for starting the app, so if you feel like hacking... | 18:19 |
| * lcuk bacons | 18:19 | |
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| javispedro | time for a tmo avatar change | 18:19 |
| lorelei^ | nnod: you have to log into your own sunrise account. If you want to load money on an arbitrary number you have to go through an ATM (or railway ticket dispenser) that offers credit recharge | 18:19 |
| nnod | lorelei^: yeah...i figured. someone gave me my sim card several years ago, so i don't have access to the account | 18:20 |
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| lorelei^ | nnod: hmmm, I think that you can get access to the account by requesting a personal access code (sent to your mobile) via the sunrise website | 18:22 |
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| lorelei^ | nnod: but I'm not entirely sure about the procedure...did it a few years ago... | 18:22 |
| RST38h | back | 18:22 |
| nnod | lorelei^: ok, i'll have a look thanks | 18:23 |
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| RST38h | wazd: But, seriously, look at some recent "normal users" on t.m.o. Will you honestly argue that they can learn to play Tic Tac Toe? | 18:24 |
| lcuk | paging dr wazd, paging dr wazd, theres an art thread critical in tmo, get there stat. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=399264#post399264 | 18:25 |
| javispedro | I like texrat's entry though. | 18:26 |
| * lcuk nods | 18:26 | |
| lcuk | simplicity is best | 18:26 |
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| RST38h | Invisible Shield for N900 has been backordered for 2-3 weeks | 18:34 |
| RST38h | This obsession with N900 is unhealthy, people seriously believe it is the next S60 =) | 18:35 |
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| aSIMULAtor | invisble shield? | 18:35 |
| RST38h | http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php | 18:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh great | 18:36 |
| RST38h | Very useful | 18:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | thanks | 18:36 |
| RST38h | Pricy though | 18:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | i've been looking out for something like this | 18:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | i was about to buy some other screen protector | 18:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | but this looks fine | 18:36 |
| lcuk | do you have to repoke the hole | 18:38 |
| ShadowJK_ | arachnist, it'd work better if used as left handed, then you don't cover the gsm/3g antenna with your hand ;) | 18:38 |
| lcuk | for the headset speaker | 18:38 |
| lcuk | or can you hear it through | 18:38 |
| * lcuk pokes aSIMULAtor | 18:38 | |
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| aSIMULAtor | so see u this week lcuk? | 18:38 |
| lcuk | yeah! | 18:38 |
| aSIMULAtor | :D | 18:38 |
| lcuk | this year has gone so quick | 18:39 |
| ShadowJK_ | lcuk, I'd think it comes with a hole? | 18:39 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK_, i dunno, which is why im asking | 18:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm surfing thru t.m.o. with eyes closed :D | 18:39 |
| ShadowJK_ | wazd, and nothing of value was lost? | 18:40 |
| wazd | lcuk: I'm seriously don't have much time now | 18:40 |
| lcuk | i seriously know now wazd | 18:40 |
| lcuk | time to pass on your quill to some loyal followers | 18:40 |
| lcuk | aSIMULAtor, hows the weather your end | 18:40 |
| lcuk | has the snow closed in yet | 18:40 |
| wazd | lcuk: I have a nice maemo logo anyway :) | 18:41 |
| RST38h | wazd: Just avoid eating before browsing | 18:41 |
| lcuk | good | 18:41 |
| lcuk | i have advanced app idea too | 18:41 |
| * lcuk got kicked from freenode for flooding tho | 18:42 | |
| aSIMULAtor | weather sucks | 18:42 |
| aSIMULAtor | and it's dark | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk, make your own ircd for that purpose and disable fake lag | 18:43 |
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| aSIMULAtor | feel lethargic | 18:43 |
| aSIMULAtor | but i don't think i'm suffering from SAD | 18:43 |
| lcuk | yeah sts but i think it will end up on its own server to stop strays if the problem i spoke to you about cant be solved | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | aSIMULAtor: joys of living in finland | 18:43 |
| wazd | http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0807/34/c3ff1e9c3b5c.jpg | 18:43 |
| lcuk | aSIMULAtor, same here, we were on snow watch the other night | 18:43 |
| lcuk | i had 3 pairs of socks on | 18:44 |
| javispedro | I think that we need a semaphore system on TMO | 18:44 |
| javispedro | just bring in the red semaphore in some threads | 18:44 |
| * Stskeeps is worried he'll freeze to death in hel in january | 18:45 | |
| * javispedro looks at temp... 17ºC :) | 18:45 | |
| PolarFox | What is the best way to start developing maemo stuff? | 18:45 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah the "joys" | 18:46 |
| Shapeshifter | PolarFox: this question can asked and answered in so many different ways, it's hard to understand what you want. | 18:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | can't wiat for summer | 18:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | but i'm on holiday for a month in january | 18:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | i save all my summer holiday days for winter | 18:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | i figure, it's a good time to get out of here | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | good choice | 18:46 |
| javispedro | heh | 18:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah go somewhere sunny | 18:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | and get a tan | 18:47 |
| fuz_ | stskeeps: did you have any problem i told above ? | 18:48 |
| PolarFox | Shapeshifter: Well.. I've been waiting SDK install for a while.. and I haven't done much desktop software before... I'm still lost with all this.. :) | 18:48 |
| Shapeshifter | PolarFox: well, do you know how to code? | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: i am not at liberty to say sorry | 18:48 |
| PolarFox | Shapeshifter: well, some.. like 10+ years programming experience. Not much C/C++ in recent years :) | 18:48 |
| fuz_ | mmh ok :) | 18:49 |
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| PolarFox | Shapeshifter: script languages mostly.. Ruby, Python and of couse, PHP.. :) | 18:49 |
| Shapeshifter | PolarFox: well, you could write something in pygtk or pyqt. | 18:49 |
| bakarat | Maemo is debian-based yes? So how easy is it to port a generic debian application to maemo? | 18:49 |
| bakarat | or is it simply install-and-go? | 18:49 |
| javispedro | depends on the application, of course. | 18:50 |
| PolarFox | Shapeshifter: I take it that Ruby apps don't go well with Maemo ;) | 18:50 |
| Shapeshifter | PolarFox: http://www.zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ good tutorial for pyqt, http://www.zetcode.com/tutorials/pygtktutorial/ same for pygtk. I strongly recommend Qt though. | 18:50 |
| * RST38h has nothing against winter, as long as all the water solidifies, and does not cross the metling point dozen times a day | 18:50 | |
| javispedro | PolarFox: there are few ruby apps | 18:50 |
| PolarFox | why QT? | 18:51 |
| GAN900 | fnordianslip, yes it's know, supposedly fixed post week 47. (browser paging)) | 18:51 |
| Shapeshifter | PolarFox: because it's better. ;) | 18:52 |
| PolarFox | Is QT so much better? I've done some small GTK apps with Ruby... And I use Gnome all the time.. I'm just wonderink why I should go QT.. | 18:52 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: so... i'm looking for testers :) | 18:52 |
| javispedro | PolarFox: Nokia will start pushing Qt hard "soon", but Gtk+ is there and will remain for a while. | 18:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i think i finally have something shiny | 18:52 |
| PolarFox | Shapeshifter: Love your arguments btw. :) | 18:52 |
| Shapeshifter | PolarFox: and qt is nokia, and for maemo6 qt will be preferred anyway. | 18:52 |
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| Stskeeps | fuz_: but yes, of course it's slower on mmc | 18:52 |
| Shapeshifter | PolarFox: nah. Just reading the API... Qt is brilliantly documented, makes sense, and provides lots of useful stuff | 18:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | It's the best API I've ever seen | 18:53 |
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| fnordianslip | GAN900: wow. better late than never (your response, not the fix) :) i raised a bug anyway, so perhaps it's a dupe: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6419 | 18:53 |
| povbot | Bug 6419: Paging up (down) in browser by pressing space (Shift+Space) jumps too far | 18:53 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: woohoo | 18:53 |
| timeless_mbp | modality works :) | 18:53 |
| timeless_mbp | fnordianslip: did you search? | 18:53 |
| PolarFox | Shapeshifter: Maybe I can do QT then... It's just like cheering for the wrong team.. :) | 18:53 |
| fnordianslip | timeless_mbp: yes. | 18:54 |
| PolarFox | Shapeshifter: I've been a Gnome loyalist since... I don't even remember :D | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | how hard did you search? | 18:54 |
| RST38h | Wait until Nokia breeds Qt with Avkon... | 18:54 |
| GAN900 | fnordianslip, yeah, I filled the original. ;) | 18:54 |
| * GAN900 bemoans this keyboard. | 18:54 | |
| javispedro | PolarFox: you can do Gtk just fine. If you haven't done any of them though, give Qt a chance. | 18:54 |
| fnordianslip | timeless_mbp: pretty hard - i really did try, but i got no matching results and looked through loads. perhaps my search-fu sucks | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | fnordianslip: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=space&product=Browser&chfieldfrom=3m | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | fnordianslip: that's my search | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | please try to figure out why your search failed | 18:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | (odds are you didn't search resolved bugs) | 18:55 |
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| PolarFox | Do you have to make large changes because of the touchscreen interface? | 18:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | fnordianslip: all things considered, thumbs up for the bug style, the summary had all the right words | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | but next time,... resolved bugs :) | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | PolarFox: for a command line app? sure | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | command line apps don't really work well on touchscreen devices | 18:56 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 18:57 | |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: um | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | i got "Failed to run" from your ui | 18:57 |
| fnordianslip | timeless_mbp: thanks. the first bug i filed was so badly filled in that i got my ass reamed by the dev, and was afraid of bugzilla for ages. i am trying harder :) | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | fnordianslip: it's ok | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | your bug is definitely better, and learning to use bugzilla is well... like anything else, it takes a bit of time | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that the defaults are designed for engineers | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | engineers don't usually care about resolved bugs | 18:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | sadly in a system where fixes aren't instantly available to all users, the search rules for end users don't fit that | 18:58 |
| fnordianslip | timeless_mbp: my search query was "n900 browser" and bug 5367 wasn't returned in the results | 19:01 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5367 Spacebar scrolls more than 1 page | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | yuck | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | your search query should be based on the words you're likely to use to file the bug | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | you used the word 'space' | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | so that's the likely word to use while searching | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | make sense? | 19:01 |
| fnordianslip | wouldn't "browser" be expected to return that result though? | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | n900 is going to get you basically nothing | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and searching for 'browser' generally searches text fields, not necessarily products | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | (depending on which search engine you use, bugzilla has at least 3) | 19:02 |
| fnordianslip | ok. i'd better go and find more bugs so i get more practice at this. thanks for the tips :) | 19:03 |
| fnordianslip | btw, i are an engineer, but not used to bugzilla | 19:04 |
| timeless_mbp | s/are/am/ | 19:04 |
| wrapster | arachnist: i just want to know if you can test os.system("ls -l | grep [something] > process_output.log") will work on n900 | 19:04 |
| fnordianslip | no. "i are an engineer" is some kind of meme | 19:05 |
| arachnist | wrapster: that's python, right? | 19:05 |
| wrapster | arachnist: its working on scratch box.. but any os.system() calls i write are not... thats weird. | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: so um... | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | why is that api call deciding that it failed to exec? | 19:05 |
| wrapster | could you please tell me if it works or any alternative of getting similar outputs... | 19:05 |
| wrapster | arachnist: yeah | 19:05 |
| type_t | Python rocks! | 19:06 |
| wrapster | type_t: i know but im unable to get it up on n900.. could you give me some idea.. | 19:06 |
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| wrapster | can anyone please help. im stuck with no way to know wahts happening.... | 19:06 |
| wrapster | scratchbox = it works.. n900= damn | 19:07 |
| wrapster | ! | 19:07 |
| arachnist | wrapster: works here | 19:07 |
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| type_t | wrapster where dis you get your python package from? | 19:08 |
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| arachnist | wrapster: http://dpaste.com/126654/ | 19:10 |
| bakarat | i'm wondering if the n900 is worth the price? i heard vague rumors that it would be succeeded quickly? | 19:10 |
| timeless_mbp | bakarat: how often do you buy a phone? | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | bakarat: i love my n900, personally, and the overwhelming amount of requests for n900 may change any existing plans | 19:11 |
| timeless_mbp | how many people do you know who have purchased an iPhone, iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS? | 19:11 |
| bakarat | timeless_mbp, a phone? not too much, last one is 4 years old and dying, but i have a n810 on the side | 19:11 |
| timeless_mbp | so your phone will last a while... | 19:11 |
| arachnist | bakarat: if by "quickly" you mean "in a year"? | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK_ | bakarat, people who preordered N900 and experienced the delay would dispute the "quickly" part ;P | 19:12 |
| * w00t mutters | 19:12 | |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 19:12 | |
| timeless_mbp | bakarat: looking at it another way | 19:12 |
| luke-jr | bakarat: I'm personally holding off for something that sucks less | 19:12 |
| bakarat | arachnist, ye, i heard in bout 1 year | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | so far Nokia's Maemo whatever hasn't managed to produce things in much faster than 1 year | 19:12 |
| bakarat | luke-jr, how's that? what exactly sucks? | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're willing to wait 1yr+X for another phone | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | then you're free to wait | 19:13 |
| timeless_mbp | but don't complain when X grows | 19:13 |
| luke-jr | bakarat: it's not open | 19:13 |
| w00t | new hardware is always on the move, anyway | 19:13 |
| bakarat | luke-jr, eh? | 19:13 |
| glass_ | 1 year from now, you could start waiting for another year for something else | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: oi, didn't you get warned on trolling? | 19:13 |
| glass_ | and one year from that too | 19:13 |
| wrapster | arachnist: on n900? | 19:13 |
| arachnist | wrapster: yes | 19:13 |
| lcuk | no w00t when a customer buys a phone the whole development process stops | 19:13 |
| ShadowJK_ | this is pure speculation, but the next device will probably have working gps, a magnetometer for compass, working USB host and a bigger battery. However, it will have no HSDPA and no keyboard. Nokia giveth, Nokia taketh away ;) | 19:13 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: warning consumers against Nokia's false marketting is not trolling, kthx | 19:13 |
| w00t | lcuk: oh! | 19:13 |
| lcuk | and new devices and features are never made | 19:13 |
| lcuk | this is a special feature just for bakarat | 19:13 |
| bakarat | ShadowJK_, i was under the impression this one had gps as well? :p | 19:13 |
| w00t | you mean the n700 is all that is available? :-( | 19:14 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: has nokia done *any* marketing? | 19:14 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK_: N900's GPS doesn't work still? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: he did not mention anything about open, so be fair | 19:14 |
| arachnist | luke-jr: go openmoko if you want truly open. but don't complain if you won't be able to even make a phone call every second update | 19:14 |
| timeless_mbp | all i see here is Samsung marketing | 19:14 |
| timeless_mbp | :o | 19:14 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: if the marketting isn't Nokia, who is it? :p | 19:14 |
| ShadowJK_ | luke-jr, it's bug for bug compatible with N810 I suspect ;) | 19:14 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: they've put up a few crappy youtube videos | 19:14 |
| ShadowJK_ | I haven't testd it, I only read bugzilla | 19:14 |
| w00t | i'm here because of Stskeeps, personally | 19:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | w00t: i'd hardly call that marketing | 19:14 |
| w00t | i suppose that counts as marketing by proxy | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | w00t's my bitch | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:14 |
| luke-jr | in particular, who promotes the N900 as "open source"? | 19:15 |
| luke-jr | that isn't Nokia? | 19:15 |
| w00t | i've also raved on a lot about the n900 to just about everyone I know, but I'm certainly not on commission (or I'd probably be able to retire by now) | 19:15 |
| luke-jr | I'm pretty sure I saw a Nokia blog doing just that... | 19:15 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: urls or it didn't happen :) | 19:15 |
| ShadowJK_ | they do that about symbian too.. | 19:15 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, when you said remove fake lag - i tohught the delay in retranmission came from server side itself | 19:16 |
| lcuk | ie freenode | 19:16 |
| lcuk | in this case | 19:16 |
| lcuk | and to do it without lag/boots for flooding i would need a dedicated server which allowed this sort of thing | 19:16 |
| luke-jr | http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/software-freedom-lovers-here-comes-maemo-5/ | 19:16 |
| luke-jr | not explicitly claiming Maemo is open source, but the language implies it strongly | 19:17 |
| w00t | lcuk: most clients have settings to delay how fast they send stuff | 19:17 |
| kalikiana | hrm... seems extras devel is still broken :-( | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: oi, don't reveal your shady past :( | 19:17 |
| microlith | luke-jr: it's a trick. maemo is 100% closed! | 19:17 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: hard to get out of the habit. | 19:17 |
| lcuk | w00t, lol | 19:17 |
| lcuk | w00t, my client isnt delaying anytihng | 19:17 |
| ShadowJK_ | The groupies are still being retrained | 19:17 |
| lcuk | and i got kicked from freenode last night for flooding | 19:18 |
| javispedro | if it's X-Chat it is delaying | 19:18 |
| javispedro | at least here | 19:18 |
| lcuk | xchat doesnt sketch over irc | 19:18 |
| luke-jr | microlith: There's a reason I use the term "not open" rather than "closed" ;) | 19:18 |
| javispedro | luck: ah, THAT client ;) | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: oh, i have a new target for you | 19:18 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: none of his words or even paragraphs are technically wrong | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | archos 5/7 | 19:18 |
| w00t | lcuk: meh, it happens :-) | 19:19 |
| timeless_mbp | perhaps he should have said "showcase of open source UI framework" | 19:19 |
| * lcuk knows | 19:19 | |
| timeless_mbp | but that wouldn't have have made much sense | 19:19 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: it doesn't need to be objectively false to imply that which is not true | 19:19 |
| luke-jr | even the title implies Maemo 5 is open | 19:19 |
| javispedro | ah, we enter territory of metaphysics | 19:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | the title doesn't | 19:20 |
| timeless_mbp | it's not like "The Open Browser" | 19:20 |
| * timeless_mbp curses Nokia marketing | 19:20 | |
| timeless_mbp | which was hardly open | 19:20 |
| ShadowJK_ | maybe it should've clarified that it's ESR open not RMS open ;-D | 19:20 |
| luke-jr | why would software freedom loves *care* about Maemo 5? only if it were open | 19:20 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK_: I think ESR would object | 19:20 |
| w00t | ShadowJK_: ouch | 19:20 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: you can't run normal gtk or Qt programs on Android | 19:20 |
| microlith | luke-jr: because it's a company taking steps and agreeing to be more open than they otherwise would be | 19:21 |
| timeless_mbp | and you can't run general programs on the iPhone | 19:21 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: so? | 19:21 |
| lcuk | or make a whole new toolkit | 19:21 |
| timeless_mbp | this is open to whatever software you want to add | 19:21 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: I didn't say those were open either | 19:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | realistically, this is the only commercial product available today where people can install whatever open source software they like | 19:21 |
| bakarat | sorry guys, i missed the answer (if any) to my first question: how easy is it to port/simply run a generic debian application on maemo? | 19:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | and do pretty much whatever they like to their phone | 19:21 |
| bakarat | i mean, does it run more or less out of the box or does it require some effort? | 19:21 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, the presence of a few programmable black boxes does not prevent me from making open code | 19:22 |
| timeless_mbp | bakarat: it's fairly simple | 19:22 |
| timeless_mbp | but you can spend forever polishing it | 19:22 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: within Nokia's sandbox | 19:22 |
| timeless_mbp | same applies to anything else | 19:22 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: sandbox? | 19:22 |
| microlith | luke-jr: there's a sandbox in maemo? | 19:22 |
| timeless_mbp | anything missing from the sandbox can be added | 19:22 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: without open drivers, you can only do what those drivers let you | 19:22 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, nokias sandbox is a bit like a trip to the seaside ;) | 19:22 |
| luke-jr | without code, it's impossible to identify what is missing | 19:23 |
| lcuk | even on a beach you have boundaries and limitations | 19:23 |
| * timeless_mbp would hate to drown in an ocean | 19:23 | |
| bakarat | timeless_mbp, well that's good to hear, the main reason i want something linux based is 1) for apps and 2) for integration with my computers @ home :> | 19:23 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: it's like a trip to the seaside when you purchased a cruiseship | 19:23 |
| lcuk | or sink in quicksand | 19:23 |
| javispedro | bakarat: what kind of "Integration"? | 19:23 |
| microlith | luke-jr: go whine at PowerVR and TI | 19:23 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: then don't jump off the cruiseship. | 19:23 |
| KMFDM | any way to get tn900 kb working instopcli | 19:24 |
| lcuk | microlith, im not whining | 19:24 |
| lcuk | i dont need powervr | 19:24 |
| luke-jr | microlith: I would, if it was merely PowerVR and TI at fault. | 19:24 |
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| lcuk | its slower | 19:24 |
| microlith | lcuk: not you | 19:24 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: as long as i'm allowed to steer my cruiseship into an iceberg! | 19:24 |
| bakarat | javispedro, well currently i use my n810 to sync with evolution, ssh,.. | 19:24 |
| * lcuk misread | 19:24 | |
| lcuk | lol | 19:24 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: allowed to != choose to | 19:24 |
| microlith | luke-jr: time for some reverse engineering then | 19:24 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, anyone is free to steer their n900 into an iceberg | 19:24 |
| luke-jr | microlith: not practical, I tried for N810 | 19:24 |
| javispedro | bakarat: "sync with evolution" with GPE I hope, cause the default soft won't allow you (for now at least) | 19:24 |
| timeless_mbp | it's just not recommended | 19:24 |
| bakarat | javispedro, yupz | 19:25 |
| lcuk | timeless, RMS will do his titanic bit (he is Kate Winslet with Linus being Leonardo)( | 19:25 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: but there's a steering lock on the wheel to stop us, and to do it we need to rip off the entire wheel! | 19:25 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i hated that movie | 19:25 |
| w00t | lcuk: NOOOOOO | 19:25 |
| w00t | now I have celine dion in my head | 19:25 |
| lcuk | pretty ,much every person with testosterone did | 19:25 |
| w00t | you bastard | 19:25 |
| javispedro | good car^W ship analogy. | 19:25 |
| lcuk | hahaha | 19:25 |
| arachnist | btw, isn't the graphics chip similiar in N810/N800 to what's in N900? | 19:26 |
| javispedro | no | 19:26 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: which means we can't do a "close miss" of the iceberg | 19:26 |
| luke-jr | arachnist: similar as in from the same company, but a new model | 19:26 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, hitting the iceberg isn't that hard | 19:26 |
| ShadowJK_ | arachnist, mbx vs sgx | 19:26 |
| javispedro | crashing with iceberg at full speed is the maemo way | 19:26 |
| timeless_mbp | arachnist: it has letters in it! | 19:26 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: the point is you need to lose all control to hit it | 19:26 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 19:27 |
| arachnist | luke-jr: well, ofcourse a newer model. the older one didn't do 3d due to being low on memory | 19:27 |
| timeless_mbp | to be fair you do need to take it off autopilot | 19:27 |
| luke-jr | arachnist: the older one can do 3D | 19:27 |
| arachnist | luke-jr: but not in 800x480 | 19:27 |
| luke-jr | no? | 19:27 |
| luke-jr | IIRC, TI promised usable GLES drivers for the N810 and never delivered | 19:27 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: did they? | 19:27 |
| lcuk | hell no, we dont crash into icebergs. we just make 40page threads about the possibility of crashing into an iceberg | 19:28 |
| arachnist | luke-jr: afaik no | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | they have delivered but for OMAP2, we're working on N8x0 support | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | the screwed up framebuffer setup is causing some trouble | 19:28 |
| javispedro | *punch sound* | 19:28 |
| luke-jr | ah | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | so capable people are working on it | 19:28 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: but in theory it *can* do 800x480,right? | 19:28 |
| * lcuk w00ts | 19:28 | |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: we're not sure. maybe. | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 19:28 |
| * javispedro remembers of something :P | 19:29 | |
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| w00t | lcuk: hahahaha | 19:29 |
| w00t | lcuk: so, what you're saying is, talk is like the titanic | 19:29 |
| w00t | slowly sinking into icy waters that nobody will want to be in | 19:29 |
| lcuk | not at all | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: i wonder if ashes on talk.maemo.org is our ashes | 19:30 |
| w00t | but that everyone will occasionally peer at through a robot submarine in years to come.. | 19:30 |
| lcuk | what people fail to realise if the good ship maemo only travels along rivers | 19:30 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: DEAR GOD NO :< | 19:30 |
| lcuk | where there has never been an iceberg ever | 19:30 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: we'll know he is if he makes 10 page posts about making dinner for his cat | 19:30 |
| lcuk | o_O | 19:30 |
| lcuk | with photos? | 19:30 |
| w00t | knowing that ashes, possibly | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | kittyeats | 19:30 |
| lcuk | cool | 19:31 |
| lcuk | another use for n900 | 19:31 |
| lcuk | is there a photo share doofer to upload to talk.maemo.org directly from n900 | 19:31 |
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| lcuk | and make a new thread | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK_ | He was rounding up volunteer homeless people to get started with his carreer as a tattooist, last I saw | 19:31 |
| Khertan | Hi again everybody | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK_: hah. | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK_ | Someone told him pracitcing on pig skin isn't worth it | 19:32 |
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| w00t | hahahah | 19:32 |
| w00t | ShadowJK_: in iceland? | 19:32 |
| ShadowJK_ | quebec now afaik | 19:35 |
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| w00t | how pleasantly random | 19:36 |
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| Khertan | The text that you have entered is too long (167695 characters). Please shorten it to 15000 characters long. <<< roh we cannot enter a single sentence on t.m.o made of "ha ha" | 19:42 |
| Khertan | ;) | 19:42 |
| w00t | :-( | 19:43 |
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| javispedro | :) | 19:44 |
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| Khertan | pfioou ... trying to found something interesting on t.m.o is a real paining ... we should rename whinning.maemo.org | 19:47 |
| waz1 | You wouldn't beleive it but my PC's dead again :D | 19:47 |
| Khertan | hum ... are you sure that you have really connected your power supply correctly to the main board ? | 19:47 |
| Khertan | because you can't plug directly power to the main board you need a power supply before waz1 :) | 19:48 |
| arachnist | Khertan: 167KB of spam? ;> | 19:49 |
| Khertan | 167KC (Kilo Chars :) ) | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | waz1: what did you do this time? | 19:49 |
| waz1 | Stskeeps: ah, it's common Vista registry failure | 19:50 |
| waz1 | Installation CD cures it but ironically I doon't have one with me | 19:51 |
| timeless_mbp | how is that ironic? | 19:51 |
| waz1 | I thiink it's time to move to seven) | 19:51 |
| arachnist | waz1: it's not your pc's that dead | 19:51 |
| arachnist | waz1: your OS is broken | 19:51 |
| arachnist | there's a big difference | 19:51 |
| arachnist | :> | 19:51 |
| Khertan | (use a real os ... ) | 19:52 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:52 |
| waz1 | Arachnist: thanks, Cap :D | 19:52 |
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| arachnist | btw, there is a way to run windows in a sane way | 19:52 |
| arachnist | http://etherboot.org/wiki/sanboot/win2k8_iscsi_install | 19:52 |
| waz1 | Khertan: Well, initially this vista was installed on a completely different hardware | 19:53 |
| Khertan | waz1: ouch ... this doesn't help | 19:53 |
| arachnist | just install it on an iscsi volume shared from a solaris box (zfs zvol with shareiscsi property set "on") | 19:53 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 19:53 | |
| waz1 | So I blame my laziness more) | 19:53 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so um | 19:53 |
| Khertan | waz1: as windows store many hardware information in his registry database and most of the time use it without hw verification | 19:54 |
| timeless_mbp | someone needs to help me figure out how to make cancel work correctly | 19:54 |
| timeless_mbp | since it seems i don't have that working | 19:54 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp: cancel ? | 19:54 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp: where to ? | 19:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: i have a progress dialog | 19:54 |
| timeless_mbp | and when you click cancel, the dialog goes away | 19:54 |
| timeless_mbp | but the work i'm doing doesn't stop :o | 19:55 |
| Khertan | arf ... :) | 19:55 |
| Khertan | kill -9 ... or try ctrl backspace | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | nah, goal is to fix it for end users :) | 19:55 |
| Khertan | ah :) | 19:55 |
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| arachnist | timeless_mbp: cancel button? why not just the "click outside the dialog"? | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | arachnist: expensive progress dialogs have cancel buttons | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | they protect you from accidentally doing something stupid | 20:00 |
| timeless_mbp | see HAM | 20:00 |
| arachnist | HAM? | 20:00 |
| timeless_mbp | ~ham | 20:00 |
| infobot | methinks ham is oink oink | 20:00 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks infobot | 20:00 | |
| Khertan | lol | 20:02 |
| javispedro | :) | 20:02 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 20:02 | |
| kalikiana | you gotta love silly acronyms =) | 20:02 |
| fnordianslip | infobot says no | 20:02 |
| Khertan | Application Manager | 20:02 |
| javispedro | ~Hildon Application Manager | 20:03 |
| javispedro | ~stupid bot | 20:03 |
| infobot | Stupid human. | 20:03 |
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| kalikiana | haha | 20:03 |
| javispedro | :( | 20:03 |
| javispedro | ~N900 | 20:04 |
| infobot | well, n900 is OMAP3430, HD camera, HSPA, Maemo 5 (Fremantle), probably Summer 2009 (or later) | 20:04 |
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| Khertan | ~N910 | 20:04 |
| Khertan | ~N920 | 20:04 |
| javispedro | ~N810 | 20:04 |
| Khertan | ~n800 | 20:04 |
| kalikiana | Ñ900 | 20:05 |
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| Khertan | ~hara-kiri | 20:05 |
| Khertan | ~self.destroy() | 20:05 |
| kalikiana | ~kamikaze | 20:05 |
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| javispedro | ~chase Khertan | 20:05 |
| * infobot chases Khertan | 20:05 | |
| Pavlov | benzea:/win 63 | 20:06 |
| Pavlov | er | 20:06 |
| * javispedro glances at some more .. .uh.. "people" in the emulators threads. | 20:07 | |
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| slonopotamus | what's the problem with nintendo? nokia ships tablets with preinstalled emulator? | 20:08 |
| Khertan | slonopotamus: some nokia employee show a n900 running a snes emulator | 20:08 |
| javispedro | -> nintendo sends dcma letter to maemo.org -> nokia panics -> maemo.org deletes everything | 20:08 |
| Khertan | in a video | 20:08 |
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| javispedro | or something like that | 20:09 |
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| slonopotamus | Khertan, and so what? | 20:09 |
| * RST38h moos | 20:09 | |
| javispedro | wb RST38h | 20:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Beware, I just watched Zombieland, so all those "people" cause certian kind of response in me... | 20:10 |
| * kalikiana milks RST38h | 20:10 | |
| javispedro | NeoPain, you surely are a new pain. | 20:10 |
| Khertan | slonopotamus: and ... so ... fearrrrr .... and discution ... but before removing ... if i understand all well | 20:10 |
| arachnist | is there a way to make N900 not rescale images when sharing to an online service while on wifi? | 20:10 |
| Khertan | but discussion | 20:10 |
| Pavlov | nokia deleted stuff from maemo extras? | 20:10 |
| Khertan | Pavlov: not nokia i think but the community | 20:11 |
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| Khertan | but i couldn't say more ... i ve just read discussion on talk ... | 20:12 |
| Pavlov | heh | 20:12 |
| Khertan | so could be completly wrong | 20:12 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, problem solved :) | 20:13 |
| javispedro | RST38h: well I would be VERY happy if you could arrange them to be exterminated. | 20:13 |
| javispedro | before they have the chance to pm me... again... | 20:13 |
| * RST38h prays to the Tentacled One to make use of this low calorie food source | 20:13 | |
| GAN900 | Pavlov, Quim contacted the council who agreed to takedown, then Quim contacted maintainers who also agreed, then some maemo.org people removed the packages. | 20:14 |
| RST38h | Has PokerTH been optified already? | 20:14 |
| Pavlov | GAN900: sounds like apple :/ | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | Pavlov: except apple doesn't really ask | 20:14 |
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| Pavlov | heh, fair enough | 20:15 |
| javispedro | Pavlov: save that we consented for the removal of packages. | 20:15 |
| javispedro | even though I have to wonder what would have happened if I acted crazy and said "over my dead body" | 20:15 |
| RST38h | javispedro: they would still remove the packages | 20:15 |
| javispedro | basically. | 20:15 |
| javispedro | or either send in the black helicopters :) | 20:15 |
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| kalikiana | there was no legal fundation for the removal, so nothing serious could've happened =) | 20:16 |
| LuciusMare | Hello | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | kalikiana: no, but then again, saving some money from maemo.org budget to get us have candy at next summit, might be useful | 20:16 |
| LuciusMare | Is it possible to run android apps on maemo - like wine and windows>unix? | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | LuciusMare: would be if ChickenCutlass had published his sources | 20:18 |
| LuciusMare | ChickenCutlass? | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | michael frey, google android on ubuntu | 20:19 |
| Macer | hm | 20:21 |
| Macer | think i need to give the zimbra box more ram | 20:21 |
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| javispedro | ah, we're already getting n97 / s60 questions | 20:21 |
| javispedro | in tmo. | 20:21 |
| Macer | tmo has n97s? | 20:21 |
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| javispedro | newtmo has. | 20:21 |
| Macer | heh | 20:22 |
| Macer | are they asking 'why doesn't my 3g work?' | 20:22 |
| Macer | hehe | 20:22 |
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| * RST38h once again suggests creating a google group | 20:22 | |
| javispedro | something about yahoo | 20:22 |
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| RST38h | Anyone willing to join/ | 20:22 |
| RST38h | ? | 20:22 |
| * javispedro votes for usenet group :) | 20:22 | |
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| Macer | no | 20:23 |
| Macer | google is the machine | 20:23 |
| Macer | make your own group | 20:23 |
| Macer | :) | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: garage.maemo.org mailing list | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:23 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I hate mailing lists =( They generate too much mail | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 20:23 |
| javispedro | though, I enjoy reading mailing lists throug gmane/Pan :) | 20:23 |
| Macer | doesn't maemo.org have forums? | 20:24 |
| GAN900 | I love how Apple is advertising "multitasking" now. | 20:24 |
| bakarat | anyone know how the battery holds up on the n900? | 20:24 |
| kalikiana | bakarat, very good unless you keep wireless on permanently :-) | 20:25 |
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| javispedro | GAN900: URL? :) | 20:25 |
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| Macer | GAN900: new groundbreaking apple stuff? | 20:26 |
| bakarat | kalikiana, could you define "very good"? :p currently my n810 is drained after a day of music playing | 20:26 |
| Macer | like the iphone compass? | 20:26 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Besides, Googroups allow just the right access control. We can pretty much allow all the regulars in, and moderate the rest | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Allowing people in on the basis of having significant brain activity | 20:28 |
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| kalikiana | bakarat, I think about 2 days when I play music in the train and surf a bit | 20:28 |
| Macer | RST38h: you can do the same with wordpress | 20:28 |
| RST38h | Macer: Yes but then I have to install, configure, and manage wordpress | 20:28 |
| kalikiana | no scientific measurements, though, just estimated | 20:28 |
| bakarat | kalikiana, that is....almost too hard to believe :) i thought it had a weaker battery then n810 and tons more "gadgety" stuff? | 20:28 |
| RST38h | Not interested in that | 20:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how RST38h is going to evaluate that criterion | 20:28 | |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: hey, how do i install dpkg? :) | 20:28 |
| GAN900 | XP and WiFi don't mix | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: *twitch* | 20:29 |
| Macer | RST38h: it takes like 2 minutes to set up and manage wordpress ;) | 20:29 |
| RST38h | Set it up where? | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: my scratchbox is very minimal | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't have dpkg :) | 20:29 |
| derf | DocScrutinizer: 10:00:50< RST38h> Sts: JoinDate>=10/1/2009 works | 20:29 |
| Macer | it's harder to set up apache than it is wordpress | 20:29 |
| Macer | RST38h: i dunno. tell Stskeeps to put it on maemo.org :) | 20:29 |
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| kalikiana | bakarat, more gadgety? | 20:29 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, YouTube. They show a guy looking up email while on a call and somehow this is revolutionary. | 20:29 |
| bakarat | kalikiana, well, an actual gsm module for one :P | 20:30 |
| GAN900 | My 6682 could do that. | 20:30 |
| javispedro | GAN900: ah, palmos style multitasking | 20:30 |
| javispedro | what do we want wordpress for? :P | 20:30 |
| javispedro | setup another copy of vB somewhere and .. exodus! ;) | 20:31 |
| * timeless_mbp enables dpkg | 20:31 | |
| * Stskeeps isn't sure dividing is the best thing to do atm. | 20:32 | |
| timeless_mbp | interesting | 20:32 |
| kalikiana | bakarat, gsm standby is fine. of course if you talk all the time that might vary | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | i had dpkg in arm sb, but not x86 sb | 20:32 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, somebody needs to open a "Moderators should be more active" thread. | 20:32 |
| javispedro | bakarat: the battery in "100% use" is lower than n810, on idle mode is similar. | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: feel free? | 20:33 |
| GAN900 | Who among us has the most credibility with the proles? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | penguinbait? | 20:33 |
| GAN900 | lol | 20:33 |
| javispedro | whoever gives them illegal emulators | 20:33 |
| GAN900 | I was thinking qole, but, yeah, that's probably right. | 20:33 |
| javispedro | </iron> | 20:33 |
| kalikiana | javispedro, arugably 100% use is an unfair comparison since the device has more components :-P | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: nah, qole is sane these days | 20:34 |
| javispedro | kalikiana: and a smaller battery.. | 20:34 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, yeah, he's gone and joined the evil cabal. | 20:34 |
| GAN900 | But better power saving | 20:34 |
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| Macer | wow zimbra takes forever to yenc attachments | 20:35 |
| Macer | wtf | 20:35 |
| javispedro | arrrrrrrgh | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: should we freeze you until this blows over? | 20:36 |
| javispedro | no, but I'm considering blocking talk.maemo.org at the router level | 20:36 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 20:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: where do i get sstrip? | 20:36 |
| javispedro | and at gmail level... | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | for mer I got it from elfkickers | 20:37 |
| * javispedro wanders off to do real work | 20:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | but maemo doesn't have it | 20:37 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders what's wrong w/ dh_strip | 20:37 | |
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| kynky | seems a lot of attitude on tmo | 20:37 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: Just comment it out. Now, sleep | 20:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | sleep at 18.40? | 20:40 |
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| RST38h | 21:40 | 20:40 |
| kynky | lol | 20:41 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i fell asleep at this time last week, sat in chair and everything | 20:41 |
| lcuk | missus noticed and didnt think to wake me even though my neck was @ 90degrees | 20:41 |
| kynky | you got life insurance ? | 20:42 |
| lcuk | kynky, lol | 20:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | wtf | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | your intltool is too old? | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | welcome to SB | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | sb? or maemo? | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | sb probably | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | intltool claims to come from fremantle/sdk/free | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | at 0.35.0-3 | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | and the package wants 0.40.0 | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | doctools or something devkit | 20:44 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 20:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | won't you be my packager? | 20:46 |
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| bakarat | does the n900 come with a subscription for the maps? or do you have to pay extra? (or are the maps free? :p) | 20:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | bakarat: the maps are um... | 20:48 |
| Pavlov | is my maemo talk login different than the rest of the site login? | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | licensed for your use | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i suppose | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | Pavlov: yes | 20:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | Pavlov: ayup :) | 20:48 |
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| bakarat | timeless_mbp, well i ask becuase on the n810 they were not, so i am using maemo mapper atm :p | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | Pavlov: trust us, you don't want to go anywhere near talk | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | bakarat: free doesn't mean worth using :) | 20:48 |
| bakarat | timeless_mbp, that bad? :p | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | bakarat: depends where you travel | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | Kiev is 1 1/2 roads | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | it wasn't what i'd call "helpful" | 20:49 |
| bakarat | timeless_mbp, well mostly western europe | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | bah, anything will work in western europe | 20:50 |
| timeless_mbp | you're no fun | 20:50 |
| bakarat | hehe :) | 20:50 |
| bakarat | :D | 20:50 |
| timeless_mbp | where's your sense of adventure? | 20:50 |
| kynky | should be satnav software by third party with turn by turn and voice navigation , similar to tomtom by end of xmas | 20:50 |
| bakarat | o btw, the nokia n810 needs to be reflashed for maemo upgrade iirc, but the n900 can simply do something like apt-get dist-upgrade or something right? | 20:51 |
| kynky | but ovi maps 1.0 i hear isnt that great, and no chance of gmaps till jvm, and even then i dunno | 20:51 |
| kynky | n900 can do ota updates | 20:51 |
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| bakarat | kynky, your terminology is causing a wooshing effect over here :p | 20:51 |
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| kynky | ota = over the air :) | 20:52 |
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| bakarat | gmaps = google maps i presume, jvm...afaik that's java virtual machine, although how that ties in with google maps, not a clue | 20:52 |
| bakarat | ah ok :) | 20:52 |
| timeless_mbp | bakarat: some n8x0 updates are over the air | 20:52 |
| kynky | bakarat, from what ive read alot of the google apps stuff needs jvm | 20:52 |
| timeless_mbp | hopefully most n900 updates will be over the air | 20:52 |
| kynky | native apps, not webapps i mean | 20:52 |
| bakarat | o | 20:53 |
| kynky | native apps use inbuilt gps then | 20:53 |
| bakarat | gah, it's just the pricetag that's keeping me back atm, so damned expensive :P | 20:53 |
| luke-jr | not me | 20:54 |
| bakarat | but my cellphone is dying atm, so can't wait for it to drop | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | I'd gladly buy one in an instant if it met my requirements | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | :p | 20:54 |
| kynky | shoulda got when it was cheap, was half price around oct 20th | 20:54 |
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| bakarat | :| | 20:54 |
| bakarat | que? :| | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | kynky: wtf? | 20:54 |
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| * Pavlov wonders how long it takes for his garage account to work everywhere | 20:55 | |
| kynky | i got it for £250 , n900 that is | 20:55 |
| bakarat | i'm comparing it to nokia 6710 navigator, which offers a lot of the same functionality (no maemo though :'() but is a LOT cheaper | 20:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: still dying | 20:55 |
| bakarat | kynky, "fell of the boat! i swears!" | 20:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | xml::parser not found | 20:55 |
| kynky | bakarat, got from nokia uk shop | 20:55 |
| AakashPatel | kynde: Now? | 20:56 |
| bakarat | kynky, well, without such a sweet bargain, it's a _lot_ of money :p | 20:56 |
| AakashPatel | How* | 20:56 |
| bakarat | can buy a sweet desktop for that price | 20:56 |
| wazd | nokia 5130 is like a cheap n900) | 20:56 |
| kynky | 3 x 15% discount codes + £50 topcashback | 20:57 |
| AakashPatel | :0 | 20:57 |
| AakashPatel | Gimme a code | 20:57 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 20:57 |
| AakashPatel | I'm ordering mine today :P | 20:57 |
| kynky | they ran out on oct 21st | 20:57 |
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| AakashPatel | D: | 20:57 |
| bakarat | o btw, anyone know if the syncing on the n900 is any good? (running mostly ubuntu on home systems) | 20:58 |
| arachnist | bakarat: syncing with what? | 20:58 |
| kynky | there is grsync , so syncing should be easy | 20:58 |
| bakarat | arachnist, well evolution would be nice | 20:58 |
| bakarat | *googles grsync* | 20:58 |
| javispedro | bakarat: if you keep on using GPE, everything will be as usual | 20:58 |
| GAN900 | Pavlov, i.e., SSO or until everything's synched for a new account? | 20:59 |
| bakarat | javispedro, while gpe works, it does have some drawbacks...so was hoping for something better :p | 20:59 |
| LuciusMare | Is there a barcode | 20:59 |
| LuciusMare | Agh | 20:59 |
| javispedro | bakarat: nothing better for now | 20:59 |
| javispedro | (which is sad | 20:59 |
| javispedro | ) | 20:59 |
| kynky | grsync is a gtk frontend to rsync, rsync is the definitive linux synching tool | 20:59 |
| Pavlov | GAN900: the latter | 20:59 |
| LuciusMare | Is there a barcode (QR code) scanner for maemo,like i-nigma or something? | 20:59 |
| bakarat | but i read it supports syncml, and opensync supports almost all of syncml | 20:59 |
| bakarat | so uh...shouldn't syncing pim data be easy as pie? | 21:00 |
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| bakarat | kynky, i mean pim syncing, rsync is more file-based ye? | 21:00 |
| javispedro | if you think that adding 3 layers of abstraction will make a better sync than the current one with just two (that already sucks), well =) | 21:00 |
| GAN900 | Pavlov, shouldn't be more than 24 hours. | 21:00 |
| bakarat | kynky, that could work as well obviously since the pim data is probably somewhere in clear text :) | 21:00 |
| bakarat | but still :P | 21:00 |
| Pavlov | oh, not "a few minutes" like it claims? ;) | 21:00 |
| kynky | dunno much about it, but think ovi has some services for syncing stuff, but not sure | 21:00 |
| GAN900 | Pavlov, although who knows with the crazy serverloads. | 21:00 |
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| LuciusMare | Nvm,found it | 21:00 |
| Xisdibik | wow no qwerty today? | 21:00 |
| LuciusMare | Oh | 21:00 |
| bakarat | kynky, from what i can gather the ovi suite has no release for linux yet nor any upcoming (one for mac though...) | 21:00 |
| LuciusMare | Can apps for OS2008 run on Maemo5? | 21:01 |
| GAN900 | Pavlov, well, it SHOULD be just a few minutes, but isn't always. :( | 21:01 |
| Pavlov | gotcha | 21:01 |
| kynky | qwerty went to bed | 21:02 |
| GAN900 | Ah, ChristExaport, your hubris is so uplifting. | 21:02 |
| fernando_ | qwerty actually sleeps? etc | 21:02 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare: most people rebuild for distinct platforms | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | it's not that an app /couldn't/ run | 21:03 |
| Xisdibik | kynky: how long ago? | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | it's just that rebuilding it is worth it | 21:03 |
| kynky | would assume the tool chains would be diff | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | they are | 21:03 |
| Xisdibik | who else here ordered from Amazon usa | 21:04 |
| LuciusMare | timeless_mbp: so no digging in code,just recompiling? | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | when you're lucky, yes | 21:04 |
| AakashPatel | Xisdibik: I canceled my order | 21:04 |
| kynky | Xisdibik, nearly 30mins ago he quit | 21:04 |
| AakashPatel | Xisdibik: Im reordering today from Nokia | 21:04 |
| AakashPatel | Cuz I want it this week lol | 21:04 |
| kynky | n900 is awesome btw | 21:04 |
| AakashPatel | Nah, its shit! | 21:05 |
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| AakashPatel | :P | 21:05 |
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| kynky | had an htc touch pro before | 21:05 |
| kynky | AakashPatel, lol | 21:05 |
| AakashPatel | I have an HTC Dream rihght now lol | 21:05 |
| Xisdibik | AakashPatel: when you ordered yours from Amazon. did you get the 3 yr warrenty dealio from the third party? | 21:05 |
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| kynky | why ? hehe | 21:05 |
| AakashPatel | I have no clue | 21:05 |
| Xisdibik | or would you have | 21:05 |
| AakashPatel | But im going with nokia usa lol | 21:06 |
| Xisdibik | heh k | 21:06 |
| Xisdibik | useless! :P | 21:06 |
| AakashPatel | :D | 21:06 |
| kynky | so you going with tmobile then ? | 21:06 |
| AakashPatel | ATT :P | 21:06 |
| Xisdibik | GSM with the n900, have fun :P | 21:06 |
| AakashPatel | And Xisdibik you dont know when your gonna get it | 21:06 |
| Xisdibik | yes i do | 21:06 |
| AakashPatel | haha it could be the end of december befroe you do | 21:07 |
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| Xisdibik | tomorrow | 21:07 |
| Xisdibik | :p | 21:07 |
| AakashPatel | ...no | 21:07 |
| AakashPatel | they arent shipping | 21:07 |
| Xisdibik | i got an email from amazon | 21:07 |
| AakashPatel | HuH??? | 21:07 |
| bakarat | anyone dare venture a guess how long before the first decent price drop for the n900? ;) | 21:07 |
| Xisdibik | saying the order is shipping estimated delivery date of Nov 30th | 21:07 |
| LuciusMare | timeless_mbp: so no digging in code,just recompiling? | 21:07 |
| AakashPatel | Oh when did your oder | 21:07 |
| kynky | AakashPatel, the n90 work on att ? | 21:07 |
| AakashPatel | early october? | 21:07 |
| Xisdibik | Sept 19th | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | [9:04pm] <timeless_mbp> when you're lucky, yes | 21:07 |
| AakashPatel | o.o | 21:07 |
| kynky | n900* | 21:07 |
| AakashPatel | tahts why | 21:07 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so, what black magic do i need for xml::parser? | 21:08 |
| AakashPatel | kynky: 3g doesnt work on AT&T, but I live in the middle of Missouri, so no worries about that anyway | 21:08 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 21:08 |
| LuciusMare | :/ | 21:08 |
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| AakashPatel | If you order from amazon TODAY you'll probably get it at the end of december or early '10 haha | 21:09 |
| * AakashPatel would rather pay an extra 50 bucks | 21:10 | |
| AakashPatel | and get it this week >.< | 21:10 |
| javispedro | the archos stuff voids the warranty :S | 21:10 |
| kynky | AakashPatel, i bet loads are on ebay now | 21:11 |
| AakashPatel | eww ebay | 21:11 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, nice. | 21:11 |
| kynky | AakashPatel, completely agree | 21:11 |
| AakashPatel | I wouldnt by this kind of product from ebay just yet lol | 21:11 |
| AakashPatel | :) | 21:12 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: not a perl guy sorry | 21:13 |
| timeless_mbp | err | 21:14 |
| timeless_mbp | what version of gtk do we have in maemo? | 21:14 |
| LuciusMare | Okay,if you are not gonna answer me,at least point me to some informations | 21:14 |
| AakashPatel | Google.com | 21:14 |
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| kynky | lol | 21:15 |
| AakashPatel | Plethora of info right there | 21:15 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 21:15 |
| LuciusMare | Um | 21:15 |
| LuciusMare | I meant | 21:15 |
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| LuciusMare | Okay,enuff | 21:15 |
| LuciusMare | But what should i google? | 21:15 |
| AakashPatel | What are you trying to do? | 21:15 |
| LuciusMare | "Port os2008 to maemo5"? | 21:15 |
| mashiara | LuciusMare: the maemo5 UI is different | 21:15 |
| AakashPatel | Os2008 apps maemo 5 | 21:15 |
| * javispedro still things the archos pctablet has something that looks cool :) | 21:15 | |
| LuciusMare | ack | 21:15 |
| bakarat | btw, maemo is going qt instead of gtk right? | 21:15 |
| mashiara | so it would make sense to adjust the UI of the app | 21:15 |
| LuciusMare | mashiara: so code digging? :( | 21:15 |
| kynky | archos tablet is bugridden ? | 21:16 |
| LuciusMare | not just recompiling | 21:16 |
| LuciusMare | ? | 21:16 |
| AakashPatel | just recompile it for maemo 5? | 21:16 |
| mashiara | LuciusMare: depends on the software | 21:16 |
| krig | bakarat: maemo 6 will be Qt | 21:16 |
| AakashPatel | :0 | 21:16 |
| krig | from what I know | 21:16 |
| bakarat | ah | 21:16 |
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| AakashPatel | Will the n900 get maemo6? | 21:16 |
| bakarat | and maemo 6 will simply be an update away when it is relead ye? ;) | 21:16 |
| AakashPatel | or is that not known to anyone yet lol | 21:16 |
| luke-jr | "probably" | 21:16 |
| bakarat | released* | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | archos tablet is closed by default, so as academic as opening it up to devs is doesnt take away the fact i cant just give the fruits of my labour to friends with same devices | 21:16 |
| mashiara | LuciusMare: since the application menus for example are very different | 21:16 |
| lcuk | or am i wrong | 21:16 |
| kynky | LuciusMare, get a dev env orking for maemo5 , then get sources for os2008 apps, then look at how source works, needs to be configured, do some building and testing , think there is a developers section on tmo | 21:17 |
| javispedro | I said archos PCtablet :P | 21:17 |
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| Chapbass | yeah the archos9 looks neat...not sure how much I'd use it though | 21:17 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:17 |
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| Chapbass | and if its like the rest of their devices...have fun with support | 21:17 |
| mashiara | LuciusMare: so for example maemo-mapper with it's huge main menu and deep menu tree in general is not going to be usable without rethinking the menu structure | 21:17 |
| krig | bakarat: too early to guess.. it might not even happen, only nokia can say for sure | 21:17 |
| lcuk | mashiara, old style menus work | 21:18 |
| mashiara | LuciusMare: It will likely compile and run as-is though... | 21:18 |
| mashiara | lcuk: oh ? | 21:18 |
| LuciusMare | example: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/numptyphysics/ | 21:18 |
| * lcuk has apps here using them | 21:18 | |
| mashiara | didn't realize that... | 21:18 |
| lcuk | i think xchat still has them | 21:18 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 21:18 | |
| odin_ | my second bug of the week to #firefox they will start to hate me again | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | the zenity build script checks for zenity | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | that seems wrong | 21:18 |
| lcuk | :( timeless | 21:18 |
| kynky | bootstrapping ? | 21:18 |
| lcuk | thats a bit recursive | 21:18 |
| lcuk | but entirely feasible | 21:19 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't see the point | 21:19 | |
| lcuk | lots of language compilers are self building | 21:19 |
| kynky | chicken or egg | 21:19 |
| * lcuk loves the chichen n egg | 21:19 | |
| lcuk | lol | 21:19 |
| mashiara | LuciusMare: AFAIRecall numptyphysics has already package in extras-testing at least | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | hey b-man17 | 21:20 |
| b-man17 | hello :) | 21:20 |
| javispedro | hi | 21:20 |
| b-man17 | hello, javispedro | 21:20 |
| mashiara | LuciusMare: Sorry, must have been extras-devel where I think a saw it (I don't have that repo currently enabled on my device, nightly builds can be a bit of minefield...) | 21:21 |
| javispedro | yet another pm. at least this one is kind. | 21:22 |
| mashiara | LuciusMare: I see numptyphysics as available package in my scratchbox, so it's in extras-devel | 21:22 |
| LuciusMare | So,there are no "big" changes of the interface - i am faced only a problem that it wont look good if i wont rewrite the gui? | 21:22 |
| LuciusMare | i mean | 21:23 |
| lcuk | then port things | 21:23 |
| lcuk | the same way people have been doing | 21:23 |
| LuciusMare | no big changes in 2008>maemo5 | 21:23 |
| LuciusMare | i cant really code | 21:23 |
| kynky | ppl should ask in channel anyway, more ppl can respond/riducule/help then | 21:23 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 21:23 | |
| Chapbass | Hey has anyone heard anything about the status of a possible logmein port to maemo5? | 21:23 |
| kynky | LuciusMare, i guess most important thing to figure out, is how to recover ifthings go wrong | 21:23 |
| LuciusMare | kynky: O_o | 21:24 |
| timeless_mbp | unable to get login information for username "maemo" at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etc/lib/gpkg/controllib.pl | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare | what can go wrong...? | 21:24 |
| lcuk | <LuciusMare> i cant really code | 21:24 |
| lcuk | everything. | 21:24 |
| Chapbass | you can brick your device, making it unable to boot, etc. | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare | um | 21:24 |
| kynky | :) | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare | Oh | 21:24 |
| mashiara | nothing a reflash won't solve | 21:24 |
| kynky | mashiara, not true | 21:25 |
| * LuciusMare switched from reading reviews of n900 to videos of android | 21:25 | |
| kynky | reflash cant charge battey | 21:25 |
| Pavlov | kynky: no, but yout n810 can | 21:25 |
| * timeless_mbp winks @Pavlov | 21:25 | |
| luke-jr | Maemo and Android FTL! KDE ftw! XD | 21:25 |
| kynky | i bought a battery charger for bl-5j for £2.50 | 21:25 |
| * lcuk has done some pretty drgrading stuff to his n810 and now n900 and not managed to so far stop it being flashable | 21:25 | |
| lcuk | are you guys doing REALLY perverted things to them? | 21:26 |
| kynky | can you always reflash as long as you got battery ? | 21:26 |
| Chapbass | ha, a basic battery charger for it...not a bad idea... | 21:26 |
| LuciusMare | Pockejte,vzdyt jde jen o instalaci programu,zadny velky zasahy do systemu... | 21:26 |
| LuciusMare | Er | 21:26 |
| * LuciusMare turns the language switch to english | 21:27 | |
| arachnist | lcuk: as long as you don't trash the bootloader (u-boot), you should be safe | 21:27 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 21:27 | |
| LuciusMare | Wait,its just an installation of a program,no big changes in the system | 21:27 |
| timeless_mbp | what version of zenity do you guys have? | 21:27 |
| arachnist | lcuk: even after trashing u-boot, the firmware flasher should be able to restore it | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | nokia devices doesn't use u-boot. | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | they use NOLO and some additional bootloader | 21:27 |
| arachnist | even N900 doesn't? | 21:27 |
| arachnist | i thought it did | 21:28 |
| mashiara | N900 uses NOLO | 21:28 |
| lcuk | then arachnist i reaffirm my question - has anyone actually done something in software to make device bricked? | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: it's pretty easy to really brick it but you have to do it intentionally | 21:28 |
| lcuk | o_O | 21:28 |
| kynky | LuciusMare, if your program did like a dd of /dev/random to flesystem, thas bad, or similar, or did a sudo gainrot , then rm -rf /*.* | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | stskeeps yikes | 21:28 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: just overwrite NOLO | 21:28 |
| LuciusMare | kynky: I dont really expect the used applications to do this | 21:29 |
| kynky | nobody ever expects the spanish inquisistion | 21:29 |
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| LuciusMare | er | 21:29 |
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| mashiara | hey it's tekojo! | 21:29 |
| kynky | but install enough non-optified apps then ..... | 21:29 |
| tekojo | hi! | 21:29 |
| luke-jr | Holy Inquisition ftw! | 21:29 |
| LuciusMare | I am not installing applications in python | 21:29 |
| lcuk | hey tekojo \o | 21:30 |
| tekojo | evening lcuk! | 21:30 |
| * lcuk looks, yup its dark here too! | 21:30 | |
| Myrtti | *burp* | 21:30 |
| * mashiara has been compiling kernels and flashing kernels most of the day, all of them refused to boot... | 21:30 | |
| * lcuk nudges Myrtti | 21:30 | |
| lcuk | that smelt bad | 21:30 |
| Myrtti | sorry, a pot of Chunky Monkey ice cream | 21:31 |
| tekojo | mashiara you are in the right place :-) | 21:31 |
| lcuk | with real monkey chunks? | 21:31 |
| kynky | lcuk, dont worrk, just take a deep breath and elax | 21:31 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: yeah | 21:31 |
| kynky | relax* | 21:31 |
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| * lcuk elaxes | 21:31 | |
| kynky | lol | 21:31 |
| * LuciusMare smells something bad | 21:31 | |
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| mashiara | tekojo: yeah, but it's getting kinda late, and recompile takes forever even though I have given 2 cores to the Parallels VM | 21:32 |
| * RST38h moos at Myrtti | 21:32 | |
| tekojo | mashiara, do you know the packages/repostiry page on m.o ? | 21:32 |
| LuciusMare | 20:29 < kynky> but install enough non-optified apps then ..... | 21:32 |
| LuciusMare | What does it mean? | 21:32 |
| RST38h | heya tekojo, too | 21:32 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: moo-o | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: what device? | 21:32 |
| tekojo | and what module are you trying to add? | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | evening lardman | 21:32 |
| lcuk | just in time, did you bring a few bottles of wine? | 21:32 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: N900 tekojo: basically conntrack, iptables and the lot... | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | can i install irc server on my n900 | 21:33 |
| mashiara | apt-get source kernel | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: 42-11 and kernel_2.6.28-20094102.3+0m5.dsc ? | 21:33 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 21:33 |
| Mozillion | I cannot find it with ogg-support installed, flac metadata is supposed to be available in tracker/media player | 21:33 |
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| Myrtti | uhhuh. | 21:33 |
| lardman | yeah, got some wine on the go :) | 21:33 |
| Mozillion | hey cleary :) | 21:33 |
| kynky | LuciusMare, if you install non-optifed apps , then they use lots of precious space where your essential apps are stored, there is not a lot of room, if this space fills up, you can have a non bootable device potentially, if you then run out of battery, then potentialy its kinda bricked | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: i installed a irc server in a ar7 router once, so yeah, shouldn't be too difficult | 21:34 |
| lcuk | cool | 21:34 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: can't remember offhand, summit device flashed with latest Fiasco, and yes that kernel | 21:34 |
| lcuk | ill just stick with freenode for now until it really pees me off | 21:34 |
| kynky | irc.freenode.org running on a n900 | 21:34 |
| ali1234 | considering it had 2mb flash and 8mb ram | 21:34 |
| Myrtti | oof. Candy fail | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: if conntrack/iptables are modules, don't bother using zImage, just use .ko's directly | 21:35 |
| LuciusMare | kynky: how come that i can brick my phone if running outta battery? | 21:35 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: been there, tried that... couldn't get workable modules compiled | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: using FREMANTLE_ARMEL? | 21:35 |
| LuciusMare | brb | 21:35 |
| mashiara | stskeep: yes | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: that's rather weird | 21:36 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: I think so too | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | now that there's a final firmware release, do we have matching kernel source? | 21:36 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: AFAIK | 21:36 |
| kynky | LuciusMare, its not techncally bricked, but if you fill up rootso no space left on device , then run out of battery, device cant boot properly, then if it cant boot, it cant charge | 21:36 |
| kulve | Mozillion: no proper flac tag support yet with ogg-support 1.0.5 | 21:36 |
| Mozillion | kulve: just saw your bug report.. overlooked.. thanks | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | cool | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: and with dpkg-buildpackage -b of apt-get source kernel and all that jazz? | 21:37 |
| Mozillion | kulve: how does this work on the desktop atm then? in Rhythmbox for example? | 21:37 |
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| mikhas | kynky, nasty. can it be flashed still, somehow? | 21:37 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: yes, though I added a patch to the configure phase to enable the modules | 21:37 |
| ali1234 | mikhas: somehow, yeah :) | 21:37 |
| kynky | mikhas, yeah, just charge battery up, and reflash, i bought a battery charger for £2.50 | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: any specific errors when inserting modules? | 21:38 |
| Venomrush | hi everyone | 21:38 |
| lardman | I just watched New Moon | 21:38 |
| lardman | I'm feeling the teen angst now | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: my condolences | 21:38 |
| Venomrush | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6373 - No one seem to care! | 21:38 |
| povbot | Bug 6373: Fatal error on maemo.org > packages > Repository QA queue | 21:38 |
| kulve | Mozillion: playbin2 (the gst element) supports tags, e.g. hildon-desktop audio widget gets tags from there, but Tracker uses tagreadbin and it uses only parsers to get the tags. And flac and vorbis tags are in the bitstream, not in the container, so the parser doesn't get them | 21:38 |
| lardman | indeed, was painful, but there was a nice 911 Turbo and some eye candy | 21:38 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: symbol version mismatch on all symbols, and some missing symbols even for conntrack which should not depend on anything but the kernel itself AFAIRecall | 21:38 |
| kynky | mikhas , just goto google.com goto shoppng tb at top , type "bl-5j charger" | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: hmm | 21:39 |
| tekojo | Venomrush it's Sunday afternoon, hard to find people right now | 21:39 |
| kulve | Mozillion: but that's being worked on and hopefully we'll get it working in n900 at some point as well | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | Venomrush: when X-Fade is back from holidays, everything will be better :P | 21:39 |
| Mozillion | kulve: ah, so no workaround for now then | 21:39 |
| kulve | Mozillion: not yet | 21:39 |
| Mozillion | all my flacs are put in (unknown artist)/(unknown album) it's becoming a mess ;) | 21:39 |
| kynky | any good mpd clients in the works for n900 ? | 21:40 |
| Venomrush | it's been like that for several days | 21:40 |
| Venomrush | don't know why no one noticed it | 21:40 |
| mikhas | kynky, make a bug report @ bugs.maemo.org, how to reproduce and your workaround? | 21:40 |
| mikhas | on IRC, this knowledge is lost | 21:40 |
| kulve | Mozillion: I'm not sure but it looks like the tags are got after one playback, so maybe you get them, if you play them all once with the media player ;) | 21:40 |
| tekojo | Venomrush let me guess since Friday about this time | 21:40 |
| Mozillion | kulve: no, sorry | 21:40 |
| Mozillion | that doesn't seem to work for me | 21:40 |
| kynky | mikhas, i got this knowledge from a lot of threads on tmo , thought it was well known | 21:40 |
| mikhas | oh, well tmo ... | 21:41 |
| kulve | Mozillion: ok. I've tried flacs only briefly, so maybe I had something else going on. There's too many ways to do flacs. Flac in ogg, native flac, tags in id3, etc.. | 21:41 |
| * lardman ponders porting mbarcode to use Qt | 21:41 | |
| Stskeeps | mashiara: grab a full build log and i might be able to point out some weirdnesses. i've done rather rude things to fremantle kernel but it has never done that to me. | 21:41 |
| Mozillion | yeah | 21:42 |
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| lcuktest | haha cool and oops wrong chan. | 21:44 |
| type_t | TOPIC -MAEMO-Freq=GSM 1800,GSM 1900,GSM 850,GSM 900,WCDMA 1700,WCDMA 2100,WCDMA 900 ,Data Bearers -DualTransferMode (MSC 11),EDGE Class A,GPRS Class A,HSDPA[2],HSUPA[3],WCDMA | 21:44 |
| lcuktest | jaffa have a great holiday | 21:44 |
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| lcuktest | stroke: 139~86,132~84,117~84,102~84,92~91,88~102,95~116,107~128,127~132,144~122,152~106,146~92,132~85,132~85 | 21:45 |
| kynky | lcuktest, for our benefit ? :) | 21:45 |
| lcuktest | yeah oops best run ;) | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | lcuktest: what did you callme? | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:45 |
| lcuktest | stroke: 138~211,138~211,137~211,133~211,131~213,130~218,130~223,132~226,137~226,143~222,145~215,145~210,145~210 | 21:45 |
| lcuktest | stroke: 179~216,179~216,179~213,177~213,173~216,170~221,170~223,173~226,178~225,182~222,182~217,182~217 | 21:45 |
| lcuktest | stroke: 175~260,175~260,173~265,162~271,150~274,142~276,137~276,133~272,133~262,133~262 | 21:45 |
| lcuk | you work it out for yourself :p | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | oi, take that 137~211 away | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 21:46 |
| lcuk | well i sorted out the chan stuff | 21:46 |
| lcuk | and it looks up headshots automatically now from user nicks | 21:47 |
| lcuk | so jaffa headshot came up from maemo.org | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | you're on your way to become the next MS Comic CHat? | 21:47 |
| lcuk | indeed | 21:47 |
| kynky | isnt every1 still using ms comicchat ? | 21:47 |
| lcuk | but this weekend has been the first weekend ive had to hack since just before the summit | 21:47 |
| Venomrush | hmm is there anyway to change the size of /dev/mmcb1k0p2 ? | 21:48 |
| Venomrush | why is it only 2gb? | 21:48 |
| mikhas | the 1 millon dollar question ... | 21:48 |
| lcuk | cos the rest of the space is taken up with media | 21:49 |
| Venomrush | while the /dev/mmcb1k0p1 got 27gb | 21:49 |
| mikhas | imagine maemo5 w/ maemo-optify ... | 21:49 |
| mikhas | w/o* | 21:49 |
| lcuk | for years i lived with <1gb medi, now i find myself restricted iwth 31gb left | 21:49 |
| mikhas | =) | 21:50 |
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| mikhas | Venomrush, the far bigger problem, IMHO, is that the vfat partition tends to corrupt quickly | 21:50 |
| mikhas | try to copy big files etc (~2-4GB) | 21:50 |
| Venomrush | vfat partition? | 21:50 |
| Venomrush | which one is that | 21:50 |
| kynky | i guess anything is possible, can you delete the /dev/mmcb1k0p1 , do an e2resize on /dev/mmcb1k0p2 , then recreate /dev/mmcb1k0p1 ? | 21:50 |
| mikhas | well yes, that big one | 21:50 |
| Venomrush | (sorry still noob) | 21:51 |
| lardman | hmm, does Firefox run all of its tabs and windows in the same process | 21:51 |
| lardman | is veeeeeryyyyy slow with lots open | 21:51 |
| kynky | lardman, its not chrome or ie8 :) | 21:51 |
| lcuk | lardman, its only slow with flash or other addins running | 21:51 |
| * Stskeeps manages to tame LyX | 21:52 | |
| lardman | well I think it's running using the chrome renderer actually | 21:52 |
| kynky | luckily you can have xpi for flashblock and adblock plus etc | 21:52 |
| lardman | and chrome seems faster on WinXP than FF fwiw | 21:52 |
| * lcuk keeps being reminded flashblock needs fixing | 21:53 | |
| kynky | lardman, chrome uses webkit , but ff 3.5 ain too bad , but crome has process per tab, and even a task/tab manager | 21:53 |
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| mikhas | did no one forked a webkitted FF yet? | 21:54 |
| microlith | mikhas: I suspect that would be too much effort | 21:54 |
| kynky | mikhas, might as well build chromium rather than what you suggested , xulrunner is well entrenced | 21:54 |
| mikhas | certainly is | 21:54 |
| mikhas | no, I dont want a google-based browser, thank | 21:55 |
| mikhas | s | 21:55 |
| ali1234 | you know what xul is, right? | 21:55 |
| mikhas | I'll stick with my beloved epiphany | 21:55 |
| kynky | lol | 21:55 |
| ali1234 | i don't think it would be particularly easy to fix it to use webkit | 21:55 |
| mikhas | well, do you really have to rip out XUL if you want to replace gecko? | 21:56 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: taming LyX is an ability that I would like to have :) | 21:56 |
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| kynky | webkit, xulrunner, khtml ,gtkhtml , not many options for renderers i thought | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: used it already in highschool but i finally managed to tame figures :P | 21:56 |
| microlith | khtml = webkit | 21:56 |
| slonopotamus | microlith, != | 21:56 |
| microlith | wasn't khtml deprecated, anyway? | 21:57 |
| * javispedro has just tamed latin1 charset in latex :P | 21:57 | |
| javispedro | so.. :P | 21:57 |
| mikhas | javispedro, gedit has nice latex plugins | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | microlith, nope, it's used in konqueror | 21:57 |
| ali1234 | mikhas: there is no browser, only xul. if you take out gecko, there'd be literally nothing left. simply put, the UI of firefox is rendered by gecko... | 21:57 |
| microlith | slonopotamus: I thought konq was migrated to webkit | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | microlith, nope again :) | 21:57 |
| microlith | ali1234: was that a subtle reference? | 21:57 |
| mikhas | that's bad design if XUL depends on the renderer implementation, and not just API .. but I havent looked at FF in ages, so I'll better shut up =) | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | microlith: yes, but not by me | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | microlith: http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul | 21:59 |
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| microlith | heh | 21:59 |
| kynky | firefox to xulrunner is like ie to mshtml , xulruner was seperated because mozilla want a lot of apps to use xulrunner engine, like songbird etc etc , its rather really handy | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | mikhas: there's a browser called arora - qt/webkit based, and looks almost exactly like firefox. i prefer it to epiphany, even though i prefer gnome to kde | 22:00 |
| mikhas | XUL still smells kind of NIH >=) | 22:00 |
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| AakashPatel | yo | 22:01 |
| mikhas | epiphany has a webkit port already | 22:01 |
| ali1234 | yeah but epiphany interface is ugly | 22:01 |
| mikhas | oh well, opinions =) | 22:01 |
| mikhas | the default UI configuration is certainly nothing I would use | 22:02 |
| kynky | mozilla basically see xul apps as non platform specific, xulrunne has been ported to many platforms , its kinda lie a jvm, in the way , write once run anywhere | 22:02 |
| ali1234 | just saying, if you want something that looks exactly like ff but with webkit, arora is what you want. sometimes i forget which one i'm using, that's how similar it is | 22:02 |
| mikhas | nice | 22:02 |
| tekojo | Venomrush the extras-testing page is ok again, thanks to mashiara | 22:03 |
| javispedro | mikhas: thanks for the plugin | 22:03 |
| mikhas | javispedro, the plugin even handles multi-file latex documents | 22:04 |
| javispedro | ouch | 22:04 |
| mikhas | it will asks for the main document if you open an included file | 22:04 |
| javispedro | except GError as s: | 22:04 |
| javispedro | ^ | 22:04 |
| javispedro | SyntaxError: invalid syntax | 22:04 |
| javispedro | I guess it requires newer python :( | 22:04 |
| mikhas | oh | 22:05 |
| mikhas | now that's bad | 22:05 |
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| mikhas | can you hack the plugin quickly? | 22:05 |
| mashiara | and to derail the discussion while waiting for the dpkg-buildpacke on the kernel: http://www.qaiku.com/home/rambo/show/1dedcdc5f8c3f68dcdc11de93d51f3f993bf580f580/ | 22:05 |
| javispedro | Mikhas: I would if I know what's changed in python :P | 22:05 |
| mikhas | right | 22:05 |
| mikhas | I dont know either, sadly. I thought changes would only come with 3.0? | 22:06 |
| javispedro | well, since its just printing the exception, here goes crazy bug fixing | 22:06 |
| mashiara | (N900 camera and emailed via sharing service so it's kinda in topic) | 22:06 |
| javispedro | s/crazy/kamikaze | 22:06 |
| mikhas | hehe | 22:06 |
| mikhas | exceptions? let's pretend we didnt see any | 22:06 |
| mikhas | what could possibly go wrong! | 22:07 |
| kynky | mikhas, if you were irc'ing from your phone, then by your argument, you could say anything | 22:07 |
| kynky | i meant to say mid, not phone | 22:08 |
| javispedro | ImportError: No module named multiprocessing | 22:08 |
| * javispedro bangs head | 22:08 | |
| javispedro | seems it comes with 2.6 | 22:08 |
| mikhas | =( | 22:08 |
| javispedro | well, too bad :( | 22:08 |
| mikhas | yeah | 22:08 |
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| AakashPatel | Is there Fring for maemo? | 22:09 |
| AakashPatel | or somethign? | 22:09 |
| AakashPatel | I heard about something of the sort but i forgot | 22:09 |
| kynky | pidgin ftw | 22:09 |
| * AakashPatel wants video skyping | 22:09 | |
| AakashPatel | kynky: now does pidgin support video chatting ;) | 22:09 |
| pillar | AakashPatel yep, although I don't see the point as there is very nice integrated support for skype etc. | 22:10 |
| arachnist | pidgin? | 22:10 |
| AakashPatel | huh? | 22:10 |
| AakashPatel | We can videochat out of the box? | 22:10 |
| arachnist | who needs pidgin when you have conversations? | 22:10 |
| kalikiana | AakashPatel, if you can live with skype or google, yes | 22:10 |
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| kynky | arachnist, ive only had the n900 for a few days :) gimme a break | 22:11 |
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| mashiara | kalikiana: there are a bunch of plugins to add other protocols to conversations | 22:11 |
| AakashPatel | I didnt think skype on maemo had video chat :/ | 22:11 |
| kynky | i have installed butterfly, but it doesnt lways render names yet | 22:11 |
| AakashPatel | only 'net calls | 22:11 |
| arachnist | where you can replace "bunch" with | 22:11 |
| pillar | AakashPatel hmm fring has video chat? I didn't know that | 22:11 |
| arachnist | where you can replace "bunch" with "haze" | 22:11 |
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| kynky | pillar, was a big announcement by fring a few dats ago abot video chat | 22:12 |
| arachnist | because that one provides support for everything pidgin/libpurple has | 22:12 |
| pillar | kynky ok, I've been out of the loop for some days so that explains it | 22:12 |
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| kalikiana | kynky, but then, why do you need fring at all? | 22:13 |
| kynky | kalikiana, i never said i did | 22:13 |
| LuciusMare | kynky: don't i have freaking 32GB on N900? | 22:13 |
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| LuciusMare | eh | 22:13 |
| LuciusMare | i didn't notice the conversation rolled so far | 22:13 |
| kalikiana | with the extendable phone app, to be honest, I fail to see why either pidgin or fring was ported | 22:13 |
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| LuciusMare | If i fill the root fs - which is 32gb? | 22:13 |
| LuciusMare | Or is it separated differently? | 22:14 |
| kynky | LuciusMare, not for apps inastalled to phone, you have small amount for root, 2GB for /opt , and i think 27GB for fat32 for media files etc | 22:14 |
| kalikiana | LuciusMare, 32gb is /home, not root | 22:14 |
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| ali1234 | you're all wrong :P | 22:14 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 22:14 |
| LuciusMare | can i repartition it? :) | 22:15 |
| kalikiana | if you are bored, surely you can do that | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | root is 256mb of fast flash, /home is 1gb of the 32gb internal mmc, /home/user/MyDocs is the rest of the 32gb | 22:15 |
| Firebird | head -> desk | 22:15 |
| kynky | arachnist, so you were saying , something better than butterfly exists ? | 22:15 |
| mashiara | /home is 2G according to df -h | 22:15 |
| kynky | ali1234, how much for /opt / | 22:16 |
| LuciusMare | holy carp | 22:16 |
| LuciusMare | is 256 mb? | 22:16 |
| LuciusMare | er | 22:16 |
| mashiara | /opt -> /home/opt/ | 22:16 |
| LuciusMare | / is 256 mb? | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | kynky: /opt on the same part as /home | 22:16 |
| arachnist | kynky: dunno if better | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | hmm yeah, /home is 2gb | 22:16 |
| mashiara | LuciusMare: the root FS on on much faster memory than the standard flash used for /home and /home/useR/MyDocs | 22:17 |
| kynky | yeah ws looking for 2gb thing | 22:17 |
| kynky | ali1234, so i wasnt wrong then :) | 22:17 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 22:17 |
| LuciusMare | then it seems i don't have much space to use for installing apps | 22:17 |
| kynky | LuciusMare, thats why apps need to be optified | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | you have 2gb, use /opt | 22:18 |
| kynky | LuciusMare, hence why i was saying stuff about using extras-devel stuff earlier, they not all optified | 22:18 |
| * LuciusMare shakes his head | 22:18 | |
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| LuciusMare | 2gb does not seems so much | 22:19 |
| javispedro | you have to consider that up so far we used to have 256 MiB. | 22:19 |
| LuciusMare | how many "average-sized" apps fit there? | 22:19 |
| javispedro | less than that. | 22:19 |
| LuciusMare | I mean,optified average-sized apps | 22:19 |
| kynky | optified means, bbasically for example moving stuff originally in /usr/ to /opt/ to save spae, but theat very basic way of saying it | 22:19 |
| javispedro | we used to have around 160MiB | 22:19 |
| LuciusMare | O_o | 22:19 |
| mashiara | I guess Wesnoth etc that have a ton of graphics and audio could be modified to store the big resource files under Mydocs | 22:19 |
| javispedro | yeah | 22:20 |
| javispedro | but that's not your average app :) | 22:20 |
| PolarFox | How can i try out some pyqt stuff with scratchbox... | 22:20 |
| javispedro | iirc pyside was uploaded to extras-devel, pyqt is? | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | MyDocs is mounted noexec :) | 22:20 |
| LuciusMare | mashiara: that actually...cracked me up about it - if i have only 256mib- or 2gb,whatsoever,how did they managed to run wesnoth - or quake on it? | 22:20 |
| javispedro | ali1234: same as cards on n810.. | 22:20 |
| Venomrush | anyone has Crash Reporter on their N900? | 22:21 |
| mashiara | luciusmare: I don't think the quake engine and the first shareware level take that much space | 22:21 |
| kynky | the guy behind linux-live-tools ha come up with a way of reprensenting a linux file system directly on fat partitions, as fat doesnt support softlinks, attributes etc | 22:21 |
| Venomrush | have you noticed, when you reboot the device, it generates a crash report?? | 22:21 |
| mikhas | ali1234, isnt that a very sane choice? | 22:21 |
| ali1234 | yes | 22:21 |
| javispedro | kynky: uh, umsdos :) | 22:21 |
| mikhas | ok =) | 22:21 |
| mashiara | luciusmare: and simplest way to "optify" is to ./configure --prefix=/opt/ | 22:21 |
| javispedro | actually, the simplest way to optify is to run maemo-optify | 22:22 |
| kynky | javispedro, ++ | 22:22 |
| mashiara | luciusmare: for wesnoth, I haven't tried it on my N900, on N810 had to setup dual-boot to boot from the internal memory card to get enough space for the files... | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | i disagree, using maemo-optify means learning another tool | 22:22 |
| javispedro | tool? it's a damn script. | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | i already know how to use configure, so that way is easier for me | 22:22 |
| kynky | lol | 22:22 |
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| javispedro | and then you have to create all the symlinks and put the needed files in the rootfs | 22:23 |
| mashiara | luciusmare: I also fear for my productivity if I get hooked on wednoth again... | 22:23 |
| javispedro | and while you might know how to use configure, the guy who wrote the autoconf file might not. | 22:23 |
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| kynky | LuciusMare, hope we been helpful | 22:23 |
| mikhas | javispedro, so mean =) | 22:23 |
| arachnist | hmm | 22:23 |
| ali1234 | symlinks arn't technically required, i can optify a package without using a single symlink :P | 22:24 |
| javispedro | ali1234: "i-am-ruby"-like packages? | 22:24 |
| javispedro | aka do nothing. | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | javispedro: no, any package | 22:24 |
| kynky | either way maemo-optifier is quite handy | 22:24 |
| AakashPatel | Is the edge of the n900 metal? | 22:24 |
| javispedro | ali1234: how are you putting stuff on the menu? | 22:24 |
| AakashPatel | around the screen part | 22:24 |
| kynky | AakashPatel, it feels like it | 22:25 |
| kynky | rest is plastic | 22:25 |
| AakashPatel | ah | 22:25 |
| ali1234 | javispedro: drop the .desktop file into the menu directory, have it reference a script in /opt by absolute path which sets up the environment to make the package work without symlinks | 22:25 |
| javispedro | so, drop the .desktop file _outside_ /opt | 22:25 |
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| roundyz | hello | 22:25 |
| ali1234 | javispedro: correct. that's the *only* file you need outside opt | 22:25 |
| ali1234 | and does not involve any symlinks | 22:26 |
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| javispedro | and the d-bus service file | 22:26 |
| javispedro | for osso apps at least | 22:26 |
| kynky | :) | 22:26 |
| ali1234 | perhaps for weird stuff like that | 22:26 |
| ali1234 | for normal apps you don't need dbus | 22:26 |
| kalikiana | ali1234, normal apps do launch via dbus ;) | 22:26 |
| javispedro | exactly | 22:26 |
| javispedro | on maemo at least. | 22:26 |
| ali1234 | funny, i didn't have any trouble launching my app this way? | 22:26 |
| mikhas | you will have a hard time running a qt app correctly *without* dbus actually | 22:27 |
| kynky | one thing that annoys me about tmo, is all the useless posts s that ppl can get a high post count | 22:27 |
| mikhas | I havent found a way to set the style and everything else needed from the cmd line yet | 22:27 |
| pillar | hmm simple qt desktop widget in extras-devel is 4,9mb .. quite big for that description :) | 22:27 |
| roundyz | im interested about porting the tex system to fremantle, i have some dev exp but not cross compiling. do i need to change gcc ouput to get it to compile to ARM? | 22:27 |
| mikhas | pillar, it's the example + deps | 22:27 |
| javispedro | roundyz: scratchbox should hide most of that for you | 22:27 |
| kalikiana | ali1234, the launcher uses dbus, quite simply. unless of course you have a command line app | 22:28 |
| mikhas | I guess it needs to fetch some libqt packages | 22:28 |
| pillar | mikhas oh okay, that explains it | 22:28 |
| javispedro | roundyz: "the maemo sdk", I mean, | 22:28 |
| javispedro | . | 22:28 |
| kynky | roundyz, think for most simple way, some1 has created a virtual image you can do dev in, its a readymade dev env | 22:28 |
| RST38h | roundyz: you do not want to port TeX to Maemo | 22:28 |
| ali1234 | all i did was put the app and all deps into /opt/myapp, make a script that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH and runs the exe, and then reference it directly from the .desktop file. it launched fine from the menu. it isn't a command line app | 22:28 |
| pillar | I didn't know it is smart enough to calculate those as well | 22:28 |
| RST38h | roundyz: It will work, but the performance is going to be dismal | 22:28 |
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| javispedro | ali1234: sdl app? | 22:29 |
| kalikiana | ali1234, but then single instance for example breaks | 22:29 |
| roundyz | RST38h: have you tried? | 22:29 |
| kalikiana | and you can't use mime | 22:29 |
| RST38h | roundyz: No, but why should I? | 22:29 |
| ali1234 | javispedro: EGL | 22:29 |
| javispedro | bare x11 then. | 22:29 |
| ali1234 | yep | 22:29 |
| javispedro | normal. | 22:29 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 22:29 |
| roundyz | wanted to known what you know. | 22:29 |
| javispedro | try gtk or qt app. | 22:29 |
| timeless_mbp | lardman|gone: firefox 4 should hopefully have multi process | 22:29 |
| RST38h | roundyz: I know that TeX is doing a lot of computations, using a lot of memory and making lots of disk IO | 22:29 |
| ali1234 | nah, i'd rather not write a game in gtk | 22:29 |
| RST38h | roundyz: Maemo is short on all three | 22:29 |
| timeless_mbp | kynky: fwiw, technically chrome doesn't use process per tab | 22:30 |
| timeless_mbp | it uses process per domain | 22:30 |
| javispedro | ali1234: you'll want if you stay on this platform for more than a few months | 22:30 |
| ali1234 | i doubt it actually | 22:30 |
| roundyz | valid points RST38h | 22:30 |
| kynky | ff4 could be anytime, due to ff crazy number jumping versioning | 22:30 |
| kynky | timeless_mbp, thx =) | 22:30 |
| ali1234 | i'm not really bothered about writing spiffy new apps nobody has done before | 22:30 |
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| RST38h | roundyz: You want to do something useful, try porting Vulture's Eye | 22:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | mikhas: you clearly haven't seen the Qt UI bulider | 22:31 |
| RST38h | It is based on Nethack, adds nice 3D UI, uses SDL (supported in Maemo) | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | s/bulider/builder/ | 22:31 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: mikhas: you clearly haven't seen the Qt UI builder | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | mikhas: which is yet another XML UI dialect | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | claiming XUL is a NIH is kinda odd | 22:31 |
| roundyz | RST38h: what is Vultures eye? | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | sure VB and Delphi had ui builders | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | but at least originally neither of them were XML | 22:31 |
| mikhas | timeless, I have? | 22:32 |
| RST38h | roundyz: 3D Netahack | 22:32 |
| RST38h | nethack sorry | 22:32 |
| mikhas | and I also know about gtk builder =p | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and please note that Qt/DUI are very much XML+CSS style based systems | 22:32 |
| javispedro | timeless: code generated by them was messy already. I mean, you can mess without xml ;) | 22:32 |
| kynky | xml is just a format, something imho that is overhyped | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | so to complain about XUL is kinda stupid | 22:32 |
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| ali1234 | i think what he wants is a standardized was of describing a UI in XML, so that XUL can be rendered in QT, and vice versa | 22:33 |
| kynky | now there is yaml, and probably other stuff too | 22:33 |
| mikhas | well, I like UI XML files that help me writing code. Both with Qt and GTK I can instantiate widgets *from* an XML file. That doesnt mean my UI runs *on* a XML file. | 22:33 |
| roundyz | RST38h: dont really have any 3d experience. | 22:34 |
| RST38h | roundyz: no problem there, it is not real 3d, it is not using opengl, and best of all you only need to port it | 22:34 |
| javispedro | it's not 3d, just isometric | 22:34 |
| RST38h | roundyz: but a proper VE port to Maemo5 is gonna give you instant credibility with the folks | 22:35 |
| mashiara | stkeeps: http://pastebin.com/m490060a9 | 22:35 |
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| roundyz | RST38h: im not seeking credibility, but thanks for the pointer. | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | (glade is the gtk one) | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | mikhas: tomato, tomato | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | with glade and friends you actually instantiate the ui with the file | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | the only other part is who handles events and event looping | 22:37 |
| mashiara | stskeeps: and http://pastebin.com/m4ed84b7 | 22:37 |
| timeless_mbp | by the time you move to signal-slots | 22:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | and Qt-Python or Qt-Perl | 22:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | you're at the point where the distinction is minimal | 22:37 |
| * javispedro prefers ui tools to generate code. if it's ugly either way, why not just let it be whatever's nearest to machine code? | 22:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: um | 22:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i prefer open source | 22:38 |
| timeless_mbp | xml is more open source than .a files | 22:38 |
| javispedro | and parsing code is more difficult, ok | 22:38 |
| javispedro | but even then, the resulting binary should ship with code, not xml files | 22:38 |
| derf | lardman: You recently upgraded qemu in your scratchbox, right? | 22:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | javispedro: why? | 22:39 |
| timeless_mbp | would you like us to ship prelinked .so files that don't work well on your system? | 22:39 |
| mikhas | I part with javispedro here | 22:39 |
| kynky | xml is nice if you want to edit by hand, it can be compresed a lot, cos of ts texty nature, so raw xml can be slower to parse | 22:39 |
| timeless_mbp | kynky: slower to parse than what? | 22:40 |
| * RST38h finds ui tools useless | 22:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | just because the encoding is xml doesn't mean the transport layer needs to use it | 22:40 |
| kynky | something compiled to bytecode ? | 22:40 |
| javispedro | timeless: I mean that the end user binary shouldn't have separate xml files. Source tarballs can have the UI definition in whatever formats they wish (even Visio diagrams =) ) | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | and it doesn't mean that the system can't cache a compiled version | 22:40 |
| mashiara | Any other kernel hackers than stskeeps around ? he seems to have gone way (not that I blame him) | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: you'd prefer for us never to ship our sources to our ui apps? | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | good to hear, i'll let management know tomorrow | 22:41 |
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| javispedro | timeless: end user! end user! | 22:41 |
| kynky | it all depends on what the developer chooses todo :) | 22:42 |
| * suihkulokki .oO( XML is so 2000's - in 2010's everything will be encapsulated as JSON ) | 22:42 | |
| mashiara | noooo!! | 22:42 |
| * RST38h votes for .ini files | 22:42 | |
| kynky | csv ftw lol | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | .ini files don't really scale | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a reason ms replaced them w/ .reg | 22:42 |
| RST38h | neither does XML | 22:42 |
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| javispedro | sqlite binary database files =) | 22:43 |
| javispedro | and even that doesn't scale well, but hey :) | 22:43 |
| javispedro | at least it does a bit better | 22:43 |
| mashiara | gconf... | 22:43 |
| RST38h | yea right and then you won't be able to figure out why your app is so slow and fails all the time | 22:43 |
| ali1234 | haha, yeah, tell that to my firefox | 22:43 |
| kynky | timeless, gnome copied ms idea of .reg , but linux still uses /etc , so thats really bad ? | 22:43 |
| timeless_mbp | kynky: gnome managed to mess up .reg | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | which is impressive | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | (And maemo did it one worse) | 22:44 |
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| * RST38h ordered the invisibleshield. Now, just need a case. | 22:44 | |
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| kynky | RST38h, ordered a case from amazon, cos it was alright, not ordering screen protecter this time | 22:45 |
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| * javispedro is still thinking in the irony of shipping the ui definitions of an application in a sqlite database. | 22:46 | |
| kynky | 1 of AAJ Trading Black Leather Vertical Flip Carry Case Cover Pouch For Nokia N900, £5.99 , from amazon.co.uk | 22:46 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: do i want to know who does that? | 22:47 |
| mikhas | you mean, store a hierarchical structure in a relational model? | 22:47 |
| suihkulokki | resource fork! | 22:47 |
| javispedro | palmos :) | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | oh yeah | 22:47 |
| javispedro | but that was inspired in the macos resource forks, so... | 22:47 |
| RST38h | kynky: url? | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem: ping | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: ping | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: ping | 22:48 |
| kynky | i liked the idea of data being stored in Resource Description Framework (RDF) (triples) | 22:48 |
| javispedro | javispedro doesn't have an n900, remember that. | 22:48 |
| arachnist | the problem with cover cases is that they don't allow for opening the keyboard, usually | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: can i interest you in enus or engb for a bit? :) | 22:48 |
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| * timeless_mbp needs a tester | 22:49 | |
| kynky | http://www.amazon.co.uk/AAJ-Trading-Black-Leather-Vertical/dp/B002WVRAZ8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1259527759&sr=8-1 | 22:49 |
| kynky | RST38h, | 22:49 |
| RST38h | thanks =) | 22:49 |
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| kynky | RST38h, =) | 22:50 |
| suihkulokki | timeless_mbp: mmh, preferrably tomorrow when I can put it on a phone that has no data of importance :) | 22:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: :/ | 22:50 |
| kynky | doesnt seem many cases to choose from, but this is pretty cheap, when aweome case comes out , might upgrade, but think case pretty essential accesory | 22:51 |
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| kynky | those silicone cases make things look so cheap | 22:52 |
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| arachnist | Variations on Rockdodger seems fun | 22:53 |
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| zerojay | timeless_mbp: What are you testing? | 22:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | zerojay: translations | 22:56 |
| timeless_mbp | please help :) | 22:56 |
| zerojay | whatcha need? | 22:56 |
| RST38h | kynky: looks like it will stop you from using the keyboard though | 22:56 |
| Pavlov | timeless_mbp: do you know how i can take control of/update/delete http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mozilla-fennec/ ? | 22:57 |
| Pavlov | alpha 2 is.. well, yeah. | 22:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | Pavlov: nope | 22:57 |
| kynky | RST38h, yep, but used to taking device out of case now, dont think any cases do that yet, from my search about a week ago, but when one does come out , will prob get, but for £5.99 for leather case, seems a bargain | 22:57 |
| timeless_mbp | that's the old db | 22:58 |
| timeless_mbp | i never really pushed anything into it | 22:58 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade could | 22:58 |
| Pavlov | okay | 22:58 |
| Pavlov | i'll send some emails | 22:58 |
| Pavlov | "Updated 2008-09-16 21:24 UTC" lol | 22:59 |
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| LuciusMare | So,as we have discussed - is it possible to change the size of home partition and enlage usr and/or opt? | 22:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare: have you paid *any* attn? | 23:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | the root partition is on a physically distinct media element | 23:00 |
| timeless_mbp | you can't grow it, but you can ignore it | 23:00 |
| wazd | I can't find snes emu in extras( | 23:00 |
| timeless_mbp | everything else shares a second thing which is 32gb | 23:00 |
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| kalikiana | wazd, deleted due to nintendo threatening nokia | 23:01 |
| kynky | wazd, it was never in extras, it got puled from extras-devel , cos of nintendo noise iirc | 23:01 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare: the 32gb you can reorganize any way you like | 23:01 |
| LuciusMare | i know | 23:01 |
| wazd | kalikiana: I'm just kidding :) | 23:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | however i haven't met anyone who has had a problem w/ the 2gb volume being too small | 23:02 |
| LuciusMare | i mean,creating a part. which would be mounted as /usr | 23:02 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 23:02 |
| timeless_mbp | as i said, you can ignore the root fs | 23:02 |
| kalikiana | wazd, ah, so it was just a sneaky way of disturbing the partition nonsense? :-P | 23:02 |
| LuciusMare | or whatever else | 23:02 |
| kynky | you can always create an img on fat32 partition and mount that | 23:02 |
| wazd | kalikiana: yep :D | 23:02 |
| kynky | even use aufs and mount on /opt | 23:03 |
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| LuciusMare | how "ignored"? | 23:03 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 23:03 |
| RST38h | New wave of insanity: http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/29/nokia-n900-glitch-leads-to-useful-portrait-mode/ | 23:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: ))) | 23:03 |
| wazd | Jeez, they don't even want to break typical USA citizen stereotype | 23:04 |
| kalikiana | RST38h, quite an idiotic screenshot, since what it shows is already supported :-P | 23:05 |
| RST38h | just not available to us mere mortals | 23:05 |
| kalikiana | oh, silly me, *with keyboard is not normally supported | 23:05 |
| kalikiana | ignore me | 23:05 |
| kalikiana | but still, if they showed something that doesn't do portrait, it would be more useful | 23:06 |
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| wazd | I wonder what they will write bout maemo6 device | 23:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: "Not an iPhone"? | 23:07 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes zerojay | 23:07 | |
| wazd | RST38h: yep, looks like | 23:07 |
| zerojay | timeless_mbp: I don't see the app for it anymore. | 23:08 |
| timeless_mbp | it's in control panel now :) | 23:09 |
| wazd | RST38h: My app is not a fart simulator. ARM :D | 23:09 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 23:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i probably didn't fix the reboot bit | 23:09 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 23:09 | |
| zerojay | I don't see it there. I'll reboot. | 23:09 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 23:09 |
| timeless_mbp | it did install, right? | 23:09 |
| timeless_mbp | you shouldn't need to reboot | 23:09 |
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| * kynky has found reboots help quite a bit | 23:11 | |
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| timeless_mbp | kynky: do you have an n900 yet? | 23:12 |
| kynky | timeless_mbp, yep | 23:12 |
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| kynky | have had to reboot, to persist settings like, turn off haptic and audio feedback on touch screen, once i pulled out usb cable, it thought it was still connected, and when i have installed a desktop widget, it didnt show till i rebooted | 23:15 |
| kynky | havent minded at all though | 23:16 |
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| ali1234 | why is GL_DEPTH24_STENCIL8_OES in gl2ext.h but not glext.h, in the SDK? | 23:18 |
| Pavlov | anyone built an app to sync google contacts to the n900 yet? | 23:18 |
| ali1234 | if i google it, it is in the khronos sdk in both 2.0 and 1.1 | 23:18 |
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| LuciusMare | so there i am again | 23:19 |
| LuciusMare | My connection crashed just in time when you were telling it to me | 23:19 |
| LuciusMare | How can i "ignore" the root partition? | 23:19 |
| ali1234 | (top two hits) | 23:19 |
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| LuciusMare | So? | 23:22 |
| LuciusMare | It is impossible to *partition* the inner memory of n900? | 23:22 |
| ali1234 | no | 23:22 |
| ali1234 | it's just hard | 23:22 |
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| LuciusMare | (Anyway,what is the verb from partitioning? to partition?) | 23:23 |
| ali1234 | yes | 23:23 |
| LuciusMare | hm | 23:23 |
| LuciusMare | timeless_mbp: how did you mean the "ignoring" of root? | 23:23 |
| ali1234 | i would guess he meant moving the rootfs onto the big, slow, internal 32gb | 23:24 |
| ali1234 | similar to what was done on older devices | 23:24 |
| LuciusMare | ali1234: not exactly | 23:24 |
| LuciusMare | ali1234: smalling (my god,what an ugly verb) the /home/documents partition,creating another one and mounting it somewhere | 23:25 |
| LuciusMare | Not whole root | 23:25 |
| LuciusMare | Only one /folder | 23:25 |
| ali1234 | yeah, that is also possible | 23:25 |
| * lcuk goes playing supertux | 23:25 | |
| ali1234 | but if you don't know how to do it, it probably isn't best to learn on your n900 | 23:25 |
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| LuciusMare | ali1234: so it is *that* hard? | 23:26 |
| lcuk | LuciusMare, have you filled your partition already? | 23:26 |
| ali1234 | no, it's quite easy, if you're experienced with linux disk partitioning | 23:26 |
| ali1234 | but you'll have to do a few tweaks in the system | 23:26 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: no...but i expect the phone overflowing in like,week or two | 23:27 |
| ali1234 | i don't see why it would | 23:27 |
| lcuk | LuciusMare, cool | 23:27 |
| LuciusMare | ali1234: fstab...what else? | 23:27 |
| lcuk | what sort of stuff are you getting | 23:27 |
| lcuk | and has anyone else filled their /top yet? | 23:27 |
| lcuk | opt | 23:27 |
| ali1234 | LuciusMare: dunno, i have not attempted it. i would have to look at how the system works, and figure it out | 23:27 |
| derf | So, should I expect af-sb-init.sh to actually work? | 23:27 |
| derf | On the ARMEL target, I mean. | 23:29 |
| ali1234 | i think... no | 23:29 |
| ali1234 | it's only supported on x86 anyway | 23:29 |
| LuciusMare | ali1234: what i heard,its basically debian | 23:30 |
| ali1234 | don't believe everything you hear | 23:30 |
| LuciusMare | heh | 23:30 |
| LuciusMare | from nokia.com and maemo.org | 23:30 |
| ali1234 | LuciusMare: all i can tell you is it is possible. i don't know any more | 23:31 |
| LuciusMare | I assume these are credible sources | 23:31 |
| LuciusMare | ali1234: thank you,anyway | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | it depends which part of maemo.org you read it on | 23:31 |
| LuciusMare | main...page? | 23:32 |
| LuciusMare | um | 23:32 |
| LuciusMare | not exactly | 23:32 |
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| lcuk | mm | 23:32 |
| LuciusMare | i mean,the intro | 23:32 |
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| derf | ali1234: It used to work, on prior SDKs. | 23:32 |
| LuciusMare | lcukn900: what client do you use? | 23:32 |
| lcuk | xchat | 23:32 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 23:33 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 23:33 |
| Xisdibik | lcuk when are we making the virtual reality tennis/ping pong game with N900 paddles? | 23:33 |
| LuciusMare | That sounds nice | 23:34 |
| lcuk | how would we see screen if using it for a peddle | 23:34 |
| lcuk | paddle | 23:34 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: av connector | 23:34 |
| lcuk | av connector is short lead | 23:34 |
| lcuk | its not like you can swing it round | 23:34 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: then make it bigger | 23:34 |
| lcuk | user installable | 23:34 |
| lcuk | "oh sorry, to install this game we have to upgrade ur av link | 23:34 |
| Xisdibik | lcuk: virtual reality, Blue Tooth VR goggles ;) | 23:34 |
| lcuk | nahhh | 23:34 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: or,wiimote style - use the integrated BT to send informations needed to some central computer that does the rest | 23:35 |
| lcuk | better to communicate with a desktop system and use n900 as remote | 23:35 |
| LuciusMare | ... | 23:35 |
| lcuk | the code running the onedotzero identity works nicely and is multiplayer | 23:35 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: great idea,how sad i didnt think it off | 23:35 |
| lcuk | well LuciusMare i did it a couple of months ago :P | 23:35 |
| LuciusMare | Okay,you got me | 23:35 |
| LuciusMare | huh? | 23:36 |
| lcuk | bluetooth was too limiting | 23:36 |
| LuciusMare | onedotzero? | 23:36 |
| LuciusMare | what is that? | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/onedotzero-adventures-in-motion-powered-by-nokia-n900/ | 23:36 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 23:36 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/onedotzero-installation-how-it-worked/ | 23:37 |
| LuciusMare | woah | 23:37 |
| * lcuk goes back to supertux | 23:37 | |
| LuciusMare | That looks cool | 23:37 |
| lcuk | indeed :) | 23:37 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: on your n900? | 23:37 |
| LuciusMare | Or at a PC? | 23:37 |
| yuizy | does xmodmap or xbindkeys work on n900? | 23:37 |
| lcuk | 2 part app :) controller and visualiser | 23:37 |
| lcuk | n900 did control and input | 23:38 |
| lcuk | and sent the experience to the bigpcs | 23:38 |
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| LuciusMare | lcuk: yes,i didn't expect this whole thing done by one "stupid" phone... >_> | 23:38 |
| LuciusMare | Anyway,its cool | 23:38 |
| lcuk | technically its possible | 23:38 |
| oli | Hi, anyone with maemo-mapper? ; ) | 23:38 |
| lcuk | just not with the stack that was used | 23:38 |
| lcuk | it was done in a subset of Processing on big fast pcs | 23:38 |
| lcuk | but for n900 resolution its practical | 23:39 |
| lcuk | if custom coded | 23:39 |
| LuciusMare | anyway,back to the eternal question... | 23:39 |
| LuciusMare | Are you playing supertux on your n900 or pc? | 23:39 |
| lcuk | n900 of course | 23:39 |
| lcuk | its hte best game out there | 23:39 |
| LuciusMare | Okay,android lost the last point for me | 23:39 |
| lcuk | and doesnt have any copyright problems :) | 23:39 |
| oli | (ot: have google maps changed URLs?) | 23:39 |
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| LuciusMare | lcuk: unlike the emulator,"released" with big fame,now being courted | 23:40 |
| LuciusMare | I still think that it is just a bit sad | 23:40 |
| lcuk | meh same as many things | 23:41 |
| LuciusMare | Holy carp | 23:42 |
| LuciusMare | Accidentally visited US nokia e-shop | 23:42 |
| LuciusMare | It is there for,like 580$ or so | 23:42 |
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| LuciusMare | Here,in freakin europe,it is 980$ | 23:43 |
| luke-jr | lol | 23:43 |
| LuciusMare | I think it is cheaper to buy a plane ticket to US,buy it there and fly back | 23:43 |
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| cehteh | exactly | 23:43 |
| lcuk | Nokia N900, now with free US Govt anal probe. | 23:43 |
| luke-jr | lol | 23:44 |
| LuciusMare | lol | 23:44 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: lets make an app like that! | 23:44 |
| cehteh | just no warranty and us keyboard if that doesnt bother you | 23:44 |
| LuciusMare | cehteh: okay,warranty would... bother me,but us keyboard? | 23:44 |
| * cehteh checks what a flight to nyc would cost | 23:44 | |
| viq | "oh my, a keyboard with arrows on it!" ;P | 23:44 |
| jaem | timeless, high-latency-pong | 23:44 |
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| jaem | what's up? | 23:44 |
| LuciusMare | I think i heard somewhere that the Europe (czech) version of kb is included with crippled arrowws | 23:45 |
| timeless_mbp | trying to get enus1 working | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: remember - waterproof case. | 23:45 |
| Ave | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/29/nokia-n900-glitch-leads-to-useful-portrait-mode/ | 23:45 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, new deb? | 23:45 |
| LuciusMare | Ave: you are old,already visited...weird stuff though | 23:45 |
| LuciusMare | *already listed | 23:45 |
| pillar | at least scandinavic version is, in order to press up or down, one has to press fn+left or fn+right | 23:45 |
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| LuciusMare | pillar: exactly what i am talking about | 23:46 |
| cehteh | the german keyboard has crippled arrows too | 23:46 |
| LuciusMare | crippled keyboard,that is | 23:46 |
| LuciusMare | Like a freaking c64 | 23:46 |
| cehteh | well its easy to remap the keyboard | 23:46 |
| LuciusMare | cehteh: but the labels dont change | 23:46 |
| lcuk | tipex | 23:46 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 23:47 |
| timeless_mbp | but my repo isn't working | 23:47 |
| pillar | cehteh is it possible to remap the keyboard for specific apps only? I quite like the scandinavic keys in most cases | 23:47 |
| lcuk | ooer timeless what you borkened | 23:47 |
| Ave | LuciusMare: yeah, comes from t.m.o even | 23:47 |
| cehteh | pillar: no idea, depends a bit on the app .. for emacs, yes quite sure :P | 23:47 |
| LuciusMare | pillar: er,for example,ubuntu does it...but i dont think it is possible without more or less coding | 23:47 |
| LuciusMare | on maemo | 23:48 |
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| cehteh | ok flight to nyc next 2 months costs 500 over 1000 euros .. no deal | 23:48 |
| jaem | LuciusMare, there are alternate keymaps for the N810 on t.m.o | 23:48 |
| LuciusMare | although it will be nice | 23:48 |
| LuciusMare | what is tmo? | 23:48 |
| jaem | I've never made one, but I expect you could do it on the N900 as easily | 23:48 |
| jaem | talk.maemo.org | 23:48 |
| jaem | with periods in between - as opposed to t-mo ;) | 23:48 |
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| LuciusMare | cehteh: hey,lets team up,everyone will donate to a plane ticket,we will give the chosen one the money,buy the phones and here,would give it to people | 23:49 |
| LuciusMare | *the money,he will buy the phones there,and here would give it to people | 23:49 |
| LuciusMare | Damn i really need to learn how to make proper sentences | 23:49 |
| LuciusMare | Or at least think a sentece through before typing it | 23:50 |
| jaem | LuciusMare, I've seen worse on IRC | 23:50 |
| cehteh | i guess you get problems with customs when you want to enter europe with a bag full of n900's | 23:50 |
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| kynky | personal use, creating a n900 behemoth super computer | 23:50 |
| LuciusMare | cehteh: what is that in the bag? - ehhhh | 23:50 |
| LuciusMare | cehteh: so,lets hide them in bags of drugs! | 23:51 |
| cehteh | german customs are well trained, they are not easy to spoil | 23:51 |
| LuciusMare | They won't expect it | 23:51 |
| jaem | LuciusMare, NOKLA N900s, maybe? :P | 23:51 |
| cehteh | lol | 23:51 |
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| Venomrush | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=399701&postcount=13 | 23:51 |
| cehteh | well i ordered for 498Eurs .. thats ok for me | 23:51 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem: ok, try to update | 23:51 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, willdo | 23:51 |
| cehteh | in germany .. with warranty and german keyboard | 23:51 |
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| jaem | timeless_mbp, installing | 23:54 |
| LuciusMare | cehteh: you lucky one | 23:54 |
| LuciusMare | cehteh: wait a minute | 23:54 |
| LuciusMare | cehteh: germany? | 23:54 |
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| cehteh | yes | 23:54 |
| LuciusMare | I am from austria | 23:54 |
| LuciusMare | That is near | 23:54 |
| cehteh | mp3-player.de | 23:55 |
| LuciusMare | where did you buy it? | 23:55 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 23:55 |
| cehteh | well still waiting | 23:55 |
| cehteh | where are you? | 23:55 |
| LuciusMare | um,austria | 23:55 |
| LuciusMare | :) | 23:55 |
| LuciusMare | wait | 23:55 |
| LuciusMare | that is in euros | 23:55 |
| * LuciusMare smack himeslf | 23:55 | |
| LuciusMare | *himself | 23:55 |
| LuciusMare | nevermind | 23:55 |
| LuciusMare | even if still cheaper then there,i wont buy a phone from a site called mp3players | 23:56 |
| lcuk | hang on LuciusMare you are wanting to cure a problem no1 has with device - before you even get the device? | 23:56 |
| LuciusMare | Also,its just 75 euros | 23:56 |
| lcuk | you are efficient! | 23:56 |
| LuciusMare | er | 23:56 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 23:56 |
| lcuk | (i just realised what you were on about earlier) | 23:57 |
| Macer | sarah conner chronicles is pretty good | 23:57 |
| LuciusMare | i dont want to run into a problem,so i solve them before running into them | 23:57 |
| Macer | too bad it was cancelled | 23:57 |
| Macer | i don't understand what the networks expect for ratings | 23:57 |
| Macer | i mean it didn't get like. retardedly high ratings | 23:57 |
| lcuk | LuciusMare, focus energies elsewhere | 23:57 |
| lcuk | for now at least :) | 23:57 |
| LuciusMare | lcuk: hey,i dont want a device that has problems - so i presolve them and then just apply the solutions | 23:58 |
| cehteh | LuciusMare: that site just happens to have the cheapest offer and i once buyed there already wiithout problems, fast service | 23:58 |
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