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| lcuk | indeed | 00:02 |
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| arachnist | hi | 00:03 |
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| type_t | hello! what does the script run_me_first.sh actually do? | 00:04 |
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| type_t | wait :> its not this room.. | 00:04 |
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| Flandry | lol | 00:04 |
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| Flandry | you didn't end up in #frat, promise | 00:05 |
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| type_t | its for scratchbox maemo-dev . anyway. hi guys.. | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | type_t, you use the run_me_first to complete the setup i believ | 00:05 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 00:07 |
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| arachnist | do you know about an app for integrating connectivity with the gadugadu im network in the N900's "conversations"? | 00:07 |
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| type_t | for the what ? | 00:09 |
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| arachnist | type_t: which part of the above sentence is not understandable for you? | 00:10 |
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| crashanddie | arachnist, the lack of capitalisation | 00:11 |
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| crashanddie | type_t, the "Gadugadu IM Network" | 00:11 |
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| type_t | never heard of it.. | 00:11 |
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| crashanddie | neither have I | 00:11 |
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| GAN900 | telepathy-haze | 00:12 |
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| aep | some pilish thingy | 00:12 |
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| Stskeeps | used in poland and similar countries | 00:12 |
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| arachnist | quite possible if you're not polish | 00:12 |
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| GAN900 | It's in Extras devel. | 00:12 |
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| crashanddie | there are similar countries to poland? | 00:12 |
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| arachnist | Stskeeps: i actually doubt if it's used outside of poland by non-poles | 00:12 |
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| frals | loving nokia sweden right now, nokia online store suddenly decided to ship the phone to people who preorder with orginial firmware anyway.. week 50 :-) | 00:12 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | frals: Holding it back for the sake of one network was stupid anyway :) | 00:13 |
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| frals | yeah | 00:13 |
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| RST38h | Gadugadu is mainly Asian, isn't it? | 00:14 |
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| arachnist | RST38h: not really, although the language might sound just as funny as the asian languages for most people | 00:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | The strength of the penguin! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/8380412.stm | 00:16 |
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| arachnist | SpeedEvil: tactical nuclear penguin? | 00:17 |
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| Quibus | how do I direct keyboard input to my SDL app? | 00:19 |
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| johnsq | Quibus: it should automatic get the input, if focused. | 00:20 |
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| Quibus | johnsq: when I type a key, I get the Contacts app | 00:20 |
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| lcuk | are you running app | 00:21 |
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| lcuk | on scratchbox | 00:21 |
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| lcuk | or on device | 00:21 |
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| Quibus | yep | 00:21 |
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| Quibus | scratchbox | 00:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Quibus: you need to request input or something | 00:21 |
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| Quibus | Stskeeps: "or something" :-) | 00:21 |
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| lcuk | Quibus, just looking for the patch no | 00:23 |
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| johnsq | Quibus: you have enabled in SDL the keyboard input? | 00:23 |
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| Quibus | johnsq: on normal Debian it just gets keyboard input | 00:24 |
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| Stskeeps | welcome to not so normal debian | 00:25 |
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| vasily_pupkin | hildon-theme-cacher: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open | 00:25 |
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| vasily_pupkin | wtf?! O_o | 00:25 |
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| Quibus | Stskeeps: I know it's not so normal, just saying that the app itself should have keyboard input enabled | 00:25 |
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| Stskeeps | vasily_pupkin: what are you trying to do? :P | 00:25 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | vasily_pupkin: If you're gonna replace GLib, at least ensure Nokia's modifications get applied to it | 00:25 |
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| arachnist | btw. another tablet - another device that doesn't play a free and open file formats (ogg, flac) | 00:26 |
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| vasily_pupkin | i just try to compile some stuff in scratchbox | 00:26 |
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| arachnist | that much i expected to be there by default | 00:26 |
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| Stskeeps | arachnist: context.. | 00:27 |
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| vasily_pupkin | hm | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | Quibus, XSetInputFocus() is the call thats needed. http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/src/liqx11info.c#L61 is my implementation i just call that when x11 tells me im ready | 00:27 |
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| vasily_pupkin | what version of libgtk2.0-0 is by default in diablo? | 00:27 |
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| Stskeeps | arachnist: you are free to install ogg-support debian package. | 00:27 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | arachnist: Ogg Support is in Extras. *yawn* | 00:27 |
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| Stskeeps | arachnist: considering other platforms where you are not free to do so, i opt for the one where we can. | 00:27 |
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| Quibus | lcuk: but the app is based on SDL, so it doesn't do anything with X calls | 00:28 |
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| Quibus | (directly) | 00:28 |
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| arachnist | Stskeeps: right. but it doesn't work - my .flacs still don't play in media player (and they do with mplayer/amarok on my laptop) | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | sdl sits ontop of x11 | 00:28 |
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| johnsq | Quibus: SDL allows it, no big problem. | 00:28 |
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| Stskeeps | arachnist: submit a bug report? | 00:29 |
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| Quibus | lcuk: I know | 00:29 |
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| lcuk | every framework (from gtk qt liqbase efl etc have all had to make this patch for fremantle | 00:29 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Quibus: You may find this thread insightful: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31696 | 00:29 |
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| arachnist | Stskeeps: will do, once i find .flacs that do play. so far i think that the file container might be the case | 00:30 |
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| Quibus | it seems that in my (SDL) app, red and blue are reversed | 00:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Quibus: known bug | 00:30 |
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| Flandry | yeah only on SDK | 00:31 |
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| Flandry | it's fine on N900 | 00:31 |
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| Quibus | Stskeeps: thanks for clearing that up | 00:31 |
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| Stskeeps | Quibus: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 | 00:31 |
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| povbot | Bug 4870: Red & blue color channels swapped sometimes in SDK | 00:31 |
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| Quibus | thanks | 00:33 |
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| Quibus | If I compile it for armel, is someone willing to try to run it? | 00:33 |
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| Flandry | my app has been in -testing for almost a month | 00:34 |
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| Flandry | so the answer is, "eventually" | 00:34 |
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| Stskeeps | Flandry: what app? | 00:34 |
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| Flandry | uqm | 00:34 |
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| Quibus | I mean, before packaging, just to see if it's running minimally | 00:35 |
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| Flandry | up to 6 votel last i checked :) | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | Quibus, i dont know what app it is or why i would want to try it | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | post some pictures | 00:35 |
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| Quibus | lcuk: it's an MSX emulator and you would want to try it to help me a bit | 00:35 |
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| Quibus | http://openmsx.sf.net | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | doh! | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | but i wouldnt have any games to play on it | 00:36 |
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| Quibus | I could provide those | 00:36 |
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| lcuk | that could be interesteing | 00:36 |
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| lcuk | really? | 00:36 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: Metal Gear | 00:36 |
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| lcuk | You would supply gamesopenly | 00:36 |
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| Quibus | anything you play on fMSX :P | 00:36 |
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| lcuk | i dunno, but an emulator without games isnt much use to me | 00:37 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: MSX BASIC? =) | 00:37 |
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| Quibus | lcuk: the games aren't the problem, trust me :-) | 00:37 |
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| lcuk | then why are you tryingto push it | 00:37 |
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| lcuk | qwerty i liked zx spectrum basic | 00:38 |
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| pupnik | Flandry: i mapped to "b" and "n" in setup | 00:38 |
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| pupnik | need to reinstall | 00:39 |
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| pupnik | it is a hard game to play f | 00:39 |
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| pupnik | rfrom savestates, because it has such a branched/fuzzy-logic plot | 00:40 |
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| pupnik | but i enjoy the begging most anyway. grand | 00:41 |
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| Flandry | which control to 'b' and which to 'n'? | 00:41 |
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| Flandry | yes it's hard to remember what has been done and what to do next | 00:42 |
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| Flandry | maybe it should include a todo list app :D | 00:42 |
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| lcuk | Flandry, bugzilla | 00:44 |
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| Flandry | ? | 00:46 |
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| lcuk | issue tracking | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | keeps everything together and lets users submit things as well | 00:47 |
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| Flandry | oh, you mean the xsbc-bug field | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | i do | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | absolute balls | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | i just had winxp spend 20 mins scanning drives for something | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | and then promptly closed the results window | 00:49 |
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| Flandry | bugzilla uqm exists i just didn't want to throw out a month's worth of tests by pushing the next version out | 00:50 |
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| Flandry | if it took less than a week to get 10 testers i wouldn't mind | 00:50 |
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| Flandry | i actually have a bug report, which is what i was asking pupnik about | 00:50 |
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| Flandry | Why is that thread still open | 00:51 |
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| Flandry | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35255&goto=newpost | 00:51 |
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| serenity | hi | 00:55 |
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| serenity | extras-devel repo is like extras-testing but http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel right? | 00:56 |
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| juhar | how i become a maintainer of package in maemo.org? i've requested it about a week ago and it's been a "pending maintainer" since then? | 00:56 |
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| juhar | a second maintainer i mean | 00:57 |
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| jaem_n810 | mornin' | 01:04 |
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| Quibus | FYI: worked around the input problem by not setting the Icon in SDL | 01:10 |
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| Quibus | thanks for that forum link qwerty12_N900 | 01:10 |
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| asidjazz | lollllllllllllllllllllllllllll | 01:12 |
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| asidjazz | had my buddy in NY pick me up an n900 today and overnight it | 01:12 |
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| asidjazz | i go pick it up tomorrow morning | 01:12 |
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| asidjazz | _STOKED_ | 01:12 |
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| ShadowJK_ | funny, I'm still using n810 for typing and grabbing it when I want web :) | 01:12 |
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| ShadowJK_ | (n900 arrived today) | 01:13 |
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| asidjazz | UR NOT BETTER THAN ME | 01:13 |
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| Flandry | oO | 01:14 |
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| serenity | hm, crtl+shift+x doesn't work in scratchbox | 01:17 |
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| range | asidjazz: Well, at least his writing style is better. | 01:18 |
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| jaem_n810 | hrm | 01:20 |
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| * jaem_n810 is running the sdk in a chroot on his N900 | 01:20 |
| jaem_n810 | for some reason. basic sdk packages like svn aren't available | 01:20 |
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| jaem_n810 | does anyone know which repo that is in? | 01:21 |
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| Flandry | i just use the host machine for that kind of stuff | 01:22 |
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| Flandry | copy the stuff i need to /scratchbox user | 01:22 |
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| jaem_n810 | mm | 01:22 |
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| jaem_n810 | okay | 01:23 |
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| Flandry | my sdk manages to fubar itself often enough without extra help ;) | 01:23 |
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| serenity | yipp, just happend here | 01:24 |
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| serenity | want to install connections switcher | 01:24 |
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| Flandry | so i switched to using a vbox host | 01:24 |
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| Flandry | so i can restore a good backup | 01:24 |
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| Flandry | rather than reinstalling every other week | 01:24 |
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| Flandry | of course, since doing that, it's been fine :P | 01:24 |
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| serenity | hmm, sounds like a plan | 01:25 |
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| serenity | Flandry: is crtl+shift+x working for you? | 01:29 |
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| Flandry | haven't tried | 01:29 |
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| Quibus | dependency checking doesn't seem to work properly in the scratchbox | 01:29 |
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| Flandry | what's it supposed to do? | 01:29 |
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| Quibus | According to the build system developer it's caused by the gcc-wrapper | 01:29 |
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| serenity | Flandry: open up a terminal | 01:30 |
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| serenity | Quibus: thanks for the info | 01:30 |
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| Flandry | oh let me check | 01:30 |
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| Quibus | Is this a known problem? | 01:30 |
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| serenity | tried both: keyboard grabed in xephyr and not | 01:31 |
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| Flandry | well ctrl+shift is for grabbing keyboard, so i think that inteferes | 01:32 |
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| Flandry | it keeps capturing just the x | 01:32 |
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| Flandry | i suspect that changing the keys for xephyr might fix it | 01:33 |
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| Quibus | are Debian packaging files a good start to create Maemo packaging? | 01:34 |
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| Flandry | yes | 01:34 |
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| Quibus | is there some kind of tutorial on how to transform them into Maemo packaging files? | 01:35 |
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| Flandry | sometimes it just takes a few changes to control file | 01:35 |
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| Flandry | i remember asking the same thing | 01:35 |
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| ShadowJK_ | hey where's energy profiler for maemo, i saw it in screenshots! D: | 01:35 |
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| Flandry | i think they basically told me to look at other packages for examples | 01:35 |
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| Flandry | you did find the wiki pages on packaging? | 01:35 |
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| crashanddie | I'm going to start and shoot tmo users | 01:36 |
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| crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=396975#post396975 | 01:36 |
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| Quibus | Flandry: yeah, but they're quite extensive and not telling me what is different compared to Debian | 01:36 |
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| crashanddie | Quibus, wiki | 01:36 |
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| Flandry | you might document what you discover :) | 01:36 |
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| Quibus | http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openmsx.html <-- Debian packaging is already in place since a long time, so I am not going to reinvent the wheel :-) | 01:37 |
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| crashanddie | Quibus, the wiki covers all the steps | 01:37 |
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| Quibus | crashanddie: thanks, I'll look for it there | 01:37 |
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| crashanddie | Quibus, there's even an app that downloads the sources from Debian, compiles it and links it, plus all the dependencies | 01:37 |
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| crashanddie | and packages it nicely | 01:37 |
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| Flandry | not much difference, try changing the changelog to a maemo-appropriate release number and building | 01:38 |
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| Quibus | crashanddie: wtf! Now you tell me! | 01:38 |
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| Flandry | oh yeah, there is tha | 01:38 |
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| Flandry | t | 01:38 |
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| crashanddie | Quibus, you never asked me | 01:38 |
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| Flandry | i haven't tried it | 01:38 |
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| Quibus | crashanddie: where can I get that? :-) | 01:38 |
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| crashanddie | dunno, search the web | 01:38 |
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| crashanddie | I always forget the name | 01:38 |
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| Quibus | hm, can't quickly find it | 01:40 |
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| Flandry | seriously, though | 01:40 |
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| Flandry | you can probably change the version in changelog and build it | 01:41 |
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| Flandry | if it fails it will probably give you an indication why | 01:41 |
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| Quibus | What if I don't change the version even? :-) | 01:41 |
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| Flandry | also i think the deb tools version is ancient for sdk, so you might have to set it back | 01:42 |
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| Flandry | obviously that's fine, but not for a release | 01:42 |
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| lardman | wonderful, loads of email turn up late on Friday, at least I won't be bored next week! | 01:45 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, mark them all as read | 01:46 |
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| lardman | hmm, just realised I'd missed a really important one from last week, luckily the chap resent it! | 01:46 |
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| crashanddie | "Hi Simon, Would it be possible to get a status update on this? I don't seem to have received any reaction since last week. Thanks, Best regards, @@sig@" | 01:48 |
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| lcuk | lardman, its only a problem if you ignore mails from your wife | 01:50 |
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| lardman | :) | 01:50 |
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| lardman | at least I realise the error of my ways that evening with her! :) | 01:50 |
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| lardman | for other people it probably comes across as being rude | 01:51 |
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| lardman | well for her too probably :D | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | lol | 01:51 |
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| crashanddie | My last day at the office was a bit weird | 01:53 |
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| crashanddie | All the customers thought it was the best day to report all of their bloody issues to me, regardless of the fact they're now in prod and handed over to support, or that I communicated that some other guy would be taking the reins and they should contact him in the future | 01:54 |
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| crashanddie | They all (every single one) must've thought they were being very original, starting their phone call with "Hiya Seb, I know it's your last day and all but..." | 01:54 |
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| ertl | hi, there's a way to tell the Mail application what to with deleted emails while using Gmail IMAP? ie. I'd like to move them to Gmail/Trash folder while the applications remove them from the current folder but keep them inside Gmail/All Mail ... | 01:54 |
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| crashanddie | ertl, sadly, that's not supported through IMAP | 01:55 |
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| lardman | :) | 01:55 |
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| crashanddie | ertl, not a Maemo-specific issue though | 01:55 |
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| asidjazz | range: lol | 01:56 |
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| asidjazz | yo crashanddie, lardman | 01:56 |
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| ertl | crashanddie: ouch, thanks | 01:56 |
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| asidjazz | n900 comin tomorrow :) | 01:56 |
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| AakashPatel | :( | 01:56 |
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| asidjazz | f imap | 01:56 |
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| * AakashPatel doesnt know when his is coming | 01:56 |
| AakashPatel | amazon ftw | 01:56 |
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| CShadowRun | i want one, i'm just waiting for a good offer | 01:56 |
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| CShadowRun | I missed the 360 offer :( | 01:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | asidjazz: mine prolly monday | 01:57 |
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| AakashPatel | 500 bucks is pretty god | 01:57 |
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| lardman | hi asidjazz | 01:57 |
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| Quibus | Flandry: OK, building deb :-) | 01:57 |
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| ertl | crashanddie: somehow I managed to do it with mutt time ago, even if I don't know how :) | 01:57 |
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| crashanddie | ertl, maybe they have specific algorithms to deal with it, but that means they're copying the mail to a specific folder etc | 01:57 |
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| CShadowRun | amazon.co.uk doesn't appear to have n900's either :( | 01:58 |
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| AakashPatel | They're shipping them though | 01:58 |
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| AakashPatel | http://twitter.com/#search?q=amazon%20n900 | 01:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | .co.uk!=.com | 01:59 |
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| CShadowRun | indeed | 01:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/searchresults.aspx?cache=9HOGHk2ivWz231QhJ7%2bTmAcOEpKIURZHwA1ykrOTmeuLbVhkQu1dwiIg7KzSSI2Acmad%2fgg7NYYF2phz%2bUpWfA%3d%3d&keyword=n900&culture=en-GB still says preorder | 02:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | I guess they don't have stock caught up with orders | 02:00 |
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| AakashPatel | Oh | 02:00 |
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| AakashPatel | woopse | 02:00 |
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| AakashPatel | hehe sorry :) | 02:00 |
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| pupnik | found out how i made n900 unusably slow. fill internal mem with videos and cam clips | 02:00 |
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| CShadowRun | hehe yea, still preorder | 02:00 |
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| pupnik | unit becomes unresponsive | 02:00 |
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| CShadowRun | and £500 too, very pricey considering they was going for £360 the other day | 02:01 |
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| CShadowRun | i'd rather wait a while for another deal to pop up | 02:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | 271 here - but that offer expired 21 oct | 02:01 |
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| ertl | here (Italy) the prices are so bad for n900 .. luckily I got mine with a great discount, 479€ instead of 599€ | 02:01 |
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| pupnik | it also causes errors due to cache not behing coherent with filesystem | 02:01 |
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| pupnik | i deleted 5 videos, refreshed, and they are still there | 02:02 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, Talk users don't read anything. | 02:02 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900, ironic for a text-based bulletin board | 02:03 |
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| pupnik | also whatever that indexer is using for data structures or algorithms is causing severe memory allocation hangups in all tasks - this is where my "10 second browser delays" were coming-from. | 02:03 |
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| pupnik | +/in all/, affeccting all/ | 02:04 |
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| pupnik | s | 02:04 |
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| pupnik | damn | 02:04 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik, give me some of your affeeccttiioonn! | 02:04 |
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| Flandry | oO | 02:05 |
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| crashanddie | any good movies I could watch? | 02:05 |
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| Flandry | pupnik: which actions did you map to those two keys? | 02:05 |
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| pupnik | yes | 02:05 |
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| crashanddie | that wasn't a yes or no question | 02:05 |
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| pupnik | o forgot names | 02:05 |
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| pupnik | sorry umm i love The Ladykillers | 02:06 |
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| pupnik | Kind Hearts and Coronets to follow it up, if you liked the first | 02:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: you mean the awesomebar? | 02:06 |
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| pupnik | Flandry: ill give you answer in a min | 02:07 |
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| Quibus | Flandry: OK, I got debs! :) But now I need a volunteer to test them :-) | 02:10 |
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| Flandry | with armel target? | 02:10 |
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| Quibus | yep | 02:10 |
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| Flandry | ok good luck :D | 02:11 |
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| Quibus | I used the Debian packaging as is | 02:11 |
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| crashanddie | Quibus, test it yourself please | 02:11 |
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| Quibus | How can a user install debs explicitly? | 02:11 |
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| Quibus | crashanddie: I don't have a device | 02:11 |
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| crashanddie | you've got scratchbox, same thing | 02:11 |
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| crashanddie | dpkg -i <filename> | 02:11 |
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| crashanddie | or fakeroot dpkg -i <filename> | 02:11 |
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| Quibus | crashanddie: I understand, but a normal user doesn't have a terminal I suppose | 02:12 |
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| crashanddie | whatever the syntax is | 02:12 |
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| crashanddie | Quibus, and a normal user will not use your debs | 02:12 |
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| crashanddie | Quibus, also, debs are built on the autobuilder | 02:12 |
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| crashanddie | Quibus, you only provide the source code | 02:12 |
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| Quibus | crashanddie: I want a normal user to try this on his real device before putting it up there | 02:12 |
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| crashanddie | no | 02:13 |
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| crashanddie | do not giveaway binaries just like that, please | 02:13 |
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| Quibus | just to have it run at least once on a real device | 02:13 |
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| crashanddie | if you have packages you want to take ownership of, follow the tutorials and use the appropriate ways | 02:13 |
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| Flandry | upload to the autobuilder as a real devel version is the best bet | 02:13 |
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| crashanddie | you will have access to thousands of people who are willing to test it | 02:14 |
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| Quibus | allright | 02:14 |
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| crashanddie | thanks | 02:14 |
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| Flandry | then it will be available on extras-devel directly through app manager | 02:14 |
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| Quibus | darn | 02:14 |
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| Quibus | The packages depend on C-BIOS (free system roms for MSX), and that one has a build dep on a Z80 assembler which isn't in extras-devel of course :S | 02:15 |
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| Flandry | you'll have to package and upload that first then | 02:16 |
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| Quibus | Flandry: as they're all in Debian, I could just as well just do completely nothing special and just upload the Debian stuff with revised versions | 02:18 |
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| Flandry | if it's over a few hundred KB in size you'll have to optify it or it will never make it into extras | 02:18 |
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| Quibus | Flandry: the openMSX package? | 02:19 |
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| Flandry | whatever packages you are uploading | 02:19 |
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| Flandry | if they are going to fill up the 256 MB rootfs, they have to be modified to install to /opt | 02:20 |
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| Flandry | there's a program to help do it | 02:20 |
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| Quibus | it's about 2.6MB | 02:21 |
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| AakashPatel | maemo is debian based? | 02:21 |
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| Flandry | but for an initial -devel upload that's not required obviously | 02:21 |
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| Flandry | AakashPatel: yes | 02:21 |
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| crashanddie | AakashPatel, you think? | 02:21 |
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| AakashPatel | Ah | 02:21 |
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| AakashPatel | Hey, I'm new here | 02:21 |
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| AakashPatel | :P | 02:21 |
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| crashanddie | AakashPatel, really, it's windows in disguise, but Linux sells better in these days of economic crisis | 02:21 |
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| Flandry | Quibus: definitely have to optify that for extras acceptance | 02:21 |
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| AakashPatel | haha sounds reasonable crashanddie :P | 02:21 |
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| Quibus | Flandry: OK, I'll sort that out later | 02:25 |
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| Quibus | good night now | 02:25 |
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| Flandry | 'night | 02:26 |
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| Quibus | thanks for the help and all | 02:26 |
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| Flandry | sure, it's a bit of a curve at first | 02:26 |
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| Quibus | well, it's mostly Debian | 02:26 |
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| Flandry | yup | 02:26 |
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| Quibus | Best attempt is probably take Debian packaging as is and do minimal changes and upload | 02:27 |
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| crashanddie | haha, this one made me smile | 02:33 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dOFmJyBS68 | 02:33 |
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| AakashPatel | Haha I saw taht one on tv | 02:34 |
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| * zerojay yawns. | 02:38 |
| zerojay | What a day. | 02:38 |
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| lardman | night all | 02:51 |
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| juhar | how i become a second maintainer of package in maemo.org? i've requested it about a week ago and it's been a "pending maintainer" since then? | 02:51 |
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| Flandry | you are talking about garage? | 02:52 |
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| juhar | no, maemo.org, so i can promote packages from devel to testing | 02:53 |
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| Flandry | but you didn't actually submit the package? | 02:53 |
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| Flandry | i've no idea but the original maintainer must be around | 02:54 |
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| juhar | nope, i'm second developer of package.. i have rights to upload it in extras-devel, but not rights to promote it to extras-testing | 02:54 |
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| Flandry | oh. So you uploaded a version to devel but can't promote | 02:55 |
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| juhar | yeah.. only a maintainer can | 02:55 |
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| Flandry | promotion is basically broken for me anyway | 02:55 |
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| Flandry | talk to jeremiah | 02:55 |
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| Flandry | He's on now and then | 02:56 |
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| juhar | yeah i should ask when he's around | 02:56 |
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| juhar | thanks | 02:56 |
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| Flandry | ~seen jeremiah | 02:56 |
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| infobot | jeremiah is currently on #maemo, last said: 'heh'. | 02:56 |
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| Flandry | so, ask him your question and hopefully he can help when he's at the keyboard | 02:57 |
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| juhar | yeah i will | 02:57 |
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| pupnik | that media indexer is going to die by my hand | 02:57 |
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| Flandry | lol | 02:57 |
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| Flandry | pupnik the crawler killer | 02:58 |
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| Flandry | did you figure out what data structure it's using? | 02:58 |
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| pupnik | it is like a wrt rat in a living room | 02:58 |
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| pupnik | fat rat | 02:58 |
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| pupnik | wet rat | 02:58 |
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| pupnik | no | 02:58 |
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| AakashPatel | o.o | 02:59 |
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| AakashPatel | lol. | 02:59 |
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| pupnik | i installed mplayer and am going back to my filesystem-based media viewing | 02:59 |
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| AakashPatel | pupnik: wave yet? | 02:59 |
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| pupnik | crawlers break on large datasets | 02:59 |
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| pupnik | yes | 02:59 |
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| AakashPatel | Sweet | 02:59 |
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| pupnik | AakashPatel: part of getting old is that you want big innovations like a cure for cancer and dont get excited about every little corporate attempt to rebrand and sell an existing idea | 03:01 |
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| AakashPatel | Lol I see | 03:01 |
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| * AakashPatel isnt old ;) | 03:01 |
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| crashanddie | neither is pupnik | 03:01 |
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| crashanddie | he just read that in a book | 03:01 |
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| Flandry | old is relative here | 03:01 |
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| AakashPatel | Haha | 03:01 |
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| CShadowRun | pupnik: there already is a cure for cancer afaik it's just that no company wants to produce it because it's past it's 3 year exclusive rights | 03:02 |
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| CShadowRun | i saw some article about it once | 03:02 |
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| pupnik | :) | 03:02 |
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| Flandry | yeah it's called death | 03:02 |
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| CShadowRun | lies :P | 03:02 |
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| crashanddie | CShadowRun, yes, and Obama is actually a robot and some guy in China is controlling him | 03:02 |
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| Flandry | lol | 03:02 |
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| CShadowRun | totally! | 03:02 |
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| crashanddie | CShadowRun, and also, they never went on the moon | 03:02 |
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| CShadowRun | china has spy cameras in the water too. | 03:02 |
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| crashanddie | CShadowRun, even worse, 9/11 was an inside job, in order to enslave the american people! | 03:03 |
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| AakashPatel | And microsoft help apple make osx | 03:03 |
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| pupnik | i like jello | 03:03 |
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| CShadowRun | haha | 03:03 |
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| Flandry | anybody claiming a cure for cancer clearly doesn't know enough biochemistry to realize that there can never be a single ucre | 03:03 |
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| Flandry | cure | 03:03 |
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| crashanddie | anyone claiming knowing enough about science to say there will "never be something for x" is an ignorant fool | 03:04 |
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| crashanddie | men fly on a daily basis ;) | 03:04 |
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| crashanddie | the world is round, and no, the universe doesn't gravitate around us | 03:04 |
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| Flandry | yes it does | 03:04 |
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| CShadowRun | but only on fridays. | 03:04 |
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| AakashPatel | YES | 03:04 |
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| crashanddie | and leap years | 03:04 |
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| AakashPatel | today is friday | 03:04 |
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| Flandry | only for you :P | 03:05 |
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| AakashPatel | :0 | 03:05 |
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| CShadowRun | it's caturday here. | 03:05 |
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| AakashPatel | Flandry: Then..is it a saturday for you? | 03:05 |
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| Flandry | i've been stuck in Monday for at least a fortnight | 03:05 |
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| AakashPatel | Lol | 03:06 |
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| crashanddie | also, Nokia didn't release the N900 because really, the 770, n800, n810 and n900 are all part of a very elaborate conspiracy to be able to see how the world would react when deceived | 03:06 |
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| crashanddie | it's those damn sociologists, they're to blame | 03:06 |
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| CShadowRun | with their space ships. | 03:06 |
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| crashanddie | no, those are aliens, AKA PhD in Math | 03:07 |
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| CShadowRun | xD | 03:07 |
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| crashanddie | I can go on for hours ;) | 03:07 |
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| crashanddie | well, not hours, I have a flight to the US to catch | 03:07 |
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| AakashPatel | haha | 03:07 |
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| AakashPatel | mmm food | 03:08 |
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| AakashPatel | brb | 03:08 |
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| * Flandry met a man in Miami once who claimed that GM shut him down and made him a fugitive because he invented a better engine | 03:08 |
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| crashanddie | and the ghosts in Pac-Man are named Inky, Blinky, Pinky and Clyde | 03:09 |
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| Flandry | oh great, here come's a lawsuit | 03:09 |
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| crashanddie | comes | 03:09 |
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| Flandry | ha | 03:09 |
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| crashanddie | here's an experiment for you guys | 03:10 |
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| crashanddie | 1 is written "one", right? | 03:10 |
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| Flandry | that apostrophe sneaking in wherever these days | 03:10 |
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| crashanddie | 2 is written "two" | 03:10 |
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| crashanddie | keep counting, until you reach a number with the letter "a" | 03:10 |
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| crashanddie | (i know the most useless facts) | 03:11 |
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| crashanddie | funniest part is, some people in this channel are actually counting and trying to find one | 03:12 |
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| crashanddie | and when quizzed about it, most of you will say "Nha, I wasn't doing it" | 03:13 |
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| Flandry | nah i've never found that kind of game interesting | 03:13 |
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| crashanddie | exhibit a | 03:13 |
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| Flandry | if a computer can solve it faster, it's generally more fun to solve that problem | 03:13 |
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| Flandry | i was actually trying to think of a good analogy for the single cure for cancer | 03:14 |
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| Flandry | the best i came up with is a single cure for N900 problems | 03:14 |
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| AakashPatel | Flandry: reboot! | 03:14 |
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| AakashPatel | haha | 03:14 |
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| Flandry | you either have to defeat each one separately or invent better hardware/software | 03:15 |
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| kynky | one hundred and one | 03:15 |
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| Flandry | lol | 03:15 |
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| crashanddie | kynky, wrong :) | 03:16 |
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| Flandry | it's a, of course | 03:16 |
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| crashanddie | thousand | 03:16 |
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| Flandry | we're using hex, right? | 03:16 |
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| kynky | lol | 03:17 |
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| kynky | one hundred and one is before a thousand | 03:18 |
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| crashanddie | excepted that "and" isn't a number... | 03:18 |
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| kynky | nither is a thousand, its the englis representation, a thosand is still 1000, and one hundred and one is still 101, but the firs english representation of a number in base 10 with an a in it is one hundred and one | 03:19 |
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| kynky | i dont say one hundred one | 03:19 |
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| crashanddie | and it's the guy with the worst spelling ever who's going to give us a lecture about "english" | 03:20 |
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| crashanddie | amazing | 03:20 |
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| kynky | yep, blame lovely wireless kb :) | 03:20 |
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| kynky | to late to check | 03:20 |
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| kynky | but principle is there | 03:21 |
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| dmj726 | looks like nintendo just lost at least $40 they could have had. | 03:42 |
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| pekuja | dmj726: which $40 is that? | 03:43 |
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| pekuja | dmj726: also, I'm sure that they don't really care what with their money printing machines and all | 03:44 |
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| dmj726 | they're never going to get me to buy a wiimote for the n900 | 03:44 |
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| CShadowRun | and orbital mind control | 03:44 |
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| pekuja | dmj726: because they are investigating whether Nokia infringed on their copyright? | 03:44 |
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| * dmj726 wouldn't want a wii, but the wiimote might be nice for emulation and other uses | 03:44 |
| madmikeuk | and intergalactic super lawyers which feed on the souls of young children? | 03:45 |
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| pekuja | dmj726: they didn't even sue yet | 03:45 |
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| pekuja | unless I missed that | 03:45 |
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| dmj726 | yeah...and there's no emulator in extras anymore...read: little use for wiimote | 03:45 |
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| pekuja | ah, I see, it was taken out? | 03:45 |
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| pekuja | it's not like Nintendo took it out | 03:46 |
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| pekuja | and anyways, you could just download it manually | 03:46 |
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| pekuja | I'm sure it's available somewhere | 03:46 |
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| dmj726 | how? | 03:46 |
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| dmj726 | a maemoized version? | 03:46 |
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| madmikeuk | i know that there are a few mirrors... | 03:46 |
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| pekuja | I'm sure the repos didn't have the only copy of it | 03:46 |
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| dmj726 | mirrors? | 03:46 |
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| pekuja | first of all there's bound to be a version control repository somewhere that the developers use | 03:47 |
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| pekuja | etc. | 03:47 |
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| madmikeuk | the source code is still available in garage for drnoksnes | 03:47 |
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| pekuja | yeah | 03:47 |
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| pekuja | so just build it yourself | 03:47 |
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| dmj726 | perhaps we need an extras-ugly | 03:48 |
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| madmikeuk | perhaps people should host repos for packages that nokia won't. | 03:49 |
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| crashanddie | NO | 03:49 |
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| pekuja | I'm surprised that there isn't one | 03:49 |
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| pekuja | are you sure there's not? | 03:49 |
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| crashanddie | feck off with your stupid ideas | 03:49 |
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| crashanddie | bloody hell | 03:49 |
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| crashanddie | we worked for YEARS to not have everyone host their own bloody repo | 03:49 |
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| pekuja | crashanddie: a 3rd party repo is a stupid idea? | 03:49 |
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| crashanddie | you're not going to undo all that good work just for a stupid emulator | 03:49 |
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| dmj726 | so don't have an emulator? | 03:50 |
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| crashanddie | no | 03:50 |
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| AakashPatel | ouch | 03:50 |
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| AakashPatel | crashanddie: NO | 03:50 |
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| crashanddie | work with Nokia to either disconnect maemo.org from any legal obligation towards Nokia corporation | 03:50 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: ? | 03:50 |
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| Macer | you weren't kidding about jericho.. what a crappy ending :) | 03:50 |
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| dmj726 | Perhaps have *one* third party repo like medibuntu | 03:50 |
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| crashanddie | or have a nice discussion with them to understand the emulator isn't infringing anything | 03:50 |
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| crashanddie | Macer, yeah, horrendous eh | 03:51 |
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| dmj726 | Isn't there even a DMCA exemption for emulators? | 03:51 |
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| pekuja | if Nokia is the one deciding what gets to be on the Maemo extras repo, I'd say you didn't do a very good job in making sure we don't need 3rd party repos | 03:51 |
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| dmj726 | I think there is come to think of it. | 03:51 |
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| madmikeuk | it was a mild suggestion anyway | 03:51 |
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| pekuja | unless of course it wasn't even Nokia that removed it | 03:51 |
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| crashanddie | dmj726, oh yeah, the DMCA helps a lot in europe | 03:51 |
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| Macer | crashanddie: heh | 03:52 |
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| pekuja | EUCD | 03:52 |
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| Macer | yeah. the ending i suppose had a bit of closure | 03:52 |
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| Macer | but it still sucked :) | 03:52 |
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| CShadowRun | agree'd, don't be hostile towards 3rd party repos | 03:52 |
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| dmj726 | Europe doesn't even have DMCA like laws I don't think. | 03:52 |
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| CShadowRun | they are a good thing | 03:52 |
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| pekuja | dmj726: we have EUCD | 03:52 |
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| crashanddie | no, 3rd party repos aren't a good thing | 03:52 |
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| CShadowRun | why not? | 03:52 |
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| crashanddie | we had people running around with 50+ repos installed on their devices | 03:52 |
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| crashanddie | conflicts everywhere | 03:52 |
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| crashanddie | everyone pushing their own binaries onto every single device | 03:52 |
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| pupnik | -un! | 03:53 |
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| dmj726 | Does the EUCD restrice format shifting? | 03:53 |
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| pekuja | dmj726: I think so | 03:53 |
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| CShadowRun | ubuntu seems to handle it ok | 03:53 |
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| madmikeuk | package conflicts. welcome to the world of linux package management | 03:53 |
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| madmikeuk | stuff happens | 03:53 |
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| pekuja | dmj726: actually maybe not... you can't break DRM though, I think | 03:53 |
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| CShadowRun | indeed | 03:53 |
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| crashanddie | we do not want pre-compiled binaries running on anyone's device | 03:53 |
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| dmj726 | Ubuntu has snes emulators and they're just fine | 03:53 |
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| crashanddie | the whole point about the builder we have in place, along with the full QA process is to ensure everyone has properly tested software on their devices | 03:54 |
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| crashanddie | you know how thick people are on TMO. As soon as something doesn't work "NOKIA ARE WANKERS AND PLONKERS" | 03:54 |
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| madmikeuk | you can't censor an open OS | 03:54 |
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| pekuja | crashanddie: I think we do need one repo that's detached from Nokia though | 03:54 |
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| CShadowRun | I actually specifically want to install random .deb files on the N900. That's a major feature for me | 03:54 |
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| crashanddie | no, we don't | 03:54 |
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| crashanddie | there is no real good reason to do so | 03:54 |
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| crashanddie | the repos aren't linked to Nokia | 03:54 |
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| pekuja | crashanddie: it's a SNES emulator now. tomorrow it might be something more important | 03:54 |
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| pupnik | right | 03:54 |
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| pekuja | crashanddie: well why did the emulator get pulled out then? | 03:54 |
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| dmj726 | Does Nokia have the ability to censor the repos? | 03:54 |
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| crashanddie | knee-jerk reaction from legal? | 03:55 |
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| crashanddie | Maybe they just heard something, and pulled it out of fear. I am sure we will be able to discuss this nicely with Nokia and have the app back there in no time | 03:55 |
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| dmj726 | The censorship issue is one reason I will never develop an iphone app. | 03:55 |
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| crashanddie | so please, no cataclysmic reaction just yet | 03:55 |
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| crashanddie | there is NO censorship | 03:55 |
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| crashanddie | currently, the servers are hosted/paid for by Nokia | 03:55 |
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| CShadowRun | there is no spoon. | 03:55 |
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| pupnik | dmj726: try censoring http://pupnik.de/software.html | 03:56 |
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| AakashPatel | They're jsut controlling how its distributed :P | 03:56 |
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| madmikeuk | crashanddie: most people who know how to modify their apt sources will know the consequences. | 03:56 |
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| pupnik | right | 03:56 |
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| crashanddie | they have a legal obligation to their shareholders to make sure they won't get sued for a stupid mistake | 03:56 |
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| crashanddie | once that is cleared up, everything will be back to normal | 03:56 |
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| pupnik | the point of the extras fdevel and ftesting is to get apps to end-users | 03:56 |
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| AakashPatel | What happened? | 03:56 |
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| pekuja | madmikeuk: except when it's "you can get an SNES emulator if you do this!" then suddenly a lot of clueless people are doing it | 03:56 |
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| pupnik | in extras, which moost users will enable | 03:57 |
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| madmikeuk | pekuja: touché. | 03:57 |
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| CShadowRun | indeed, nokia make it clear that enabling root is unsupported | 03:57 |
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| AakashPatel | I've been hearing all these legal convo's here | 03:57 |
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| CShadowRun | and that's fine, we get that | 03:57 |
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| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEwPqZQcTs8&feature=player_embedded | 03:57 |
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| Macer | omg | 03:57 |
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| AakashPatel | oh god | 03:57 |
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| Macer | that is gross | 03:57 |
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| crashanddie | madmikeuk, you have a device which has unrestricted access to your SIM card, contacts and email, you're going to run binaries from an unknown third party? | 03:57 |
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| crashanddie | madmikeuk, seriously? Hang on, lemme send you some script I wrote, just for a quick test | 03:57 |
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| AakashPatel | Loll | 03:57 |
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| CShadowRun | lol | 03:57 |
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| CShadowRun | crashanddie: yes, i am | 03:58 |
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| dmj726 | How directly does Nokia control Maemo.org? | 03:58 |
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| crashanddie | seriously, are you trying to create windows or something? | 03:58 |
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| madmikeuk | crashanddie: you have a computer with unrestricted access to your email, contacts and internet history, and anything else stored on it, from some unknown party? | 03:58 |
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| CShadowRun | exactly | 03:58 |
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| CShadowRun | why is nokia more trustworthy than an open source developer | 03:58 |
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| pupnik | touche madmikeuk | 03:58 |
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| crashanddie | what is that argument? | 03:58 |
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| crashanddie | Nokia has nothing to do with it for crying out loud | 03:59 |
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| CShadowRun | crashanddie: who is nokia to decide who i do and don't trust? | 03:59 |
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| madmikeuk | where did i blame nokia? | 03:59 |
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| crashanddie | for fucks sake you thick idiot | 03:59 |
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| AakashPatel | crashanddie: deep breaths ;) | 03:59 |
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| crashanddie | CShadowRun, it's the community that runs the QA processes | 03:59 |
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| crashanddie | we set up the bloody builder, we pushed for that | 03:59 |
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| crashanddie | not Nokia | 03:59 |
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| CShadowRun | and that's good, the fact that you've got everything most people will need in the repositories is excellent, that's what will make the device great | 04:00 |
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| madmikeuk | well I congratulate your work. but accept one thing: one size does not fit all | 04:00 |
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| CShadowRun | but don't turn into an iPhone and only allow people to install applications that are in the repo. | 04:00 |
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| CShadowRun | exactly | 04:00 |
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| pupnik | crashanddie's words bear consideration | 04:00 |
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| AakashPatel | CShadowRun: but don't turn into an iPhone and only allow people to install applications that are in the repo. | 04:00 |
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| crashanddie | understand this guys: Nokia does not control the repos | 04:00 |
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| AakashPatel | I severly doubt they will *ever* do that | 04:00 |
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| dmj726 | okay, then who removed drnok? | 04:01 |
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| CShadowRun | AakashPatel: true :) | 04:01 |
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| madmikeuk | dmj726: could just have been a C+D notice | 04:01 |
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| dmj726 | can't you just say bugger off to those if you know you've got a case? | 04:01 |
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| microlith | dmj726: you can but they can still cost you money | 04:01 |
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| madmikeuk | maybe they don't want to risk it | 04:01 |
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| madmikeuk | nintendo have some very smart lawyers | 04:02 |
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| dmj726 | yeah | 04:02 |
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| Macer | wtf | 04:02 |
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| AakashPatel | ftw | 04:02 |
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| Macer | wtf does debian install for smtp? | 04:02 |
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| CShadowRun | pupnik: that PS1 emulator looks interesting, i use pcsx on my ubuntu box. Reckon it'd run well on the N900? | 04:02 |
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| Macer | i have a port conflict and can't seem to figure out what is using it | 04:02 |
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| madmikeuk | sendmail? | 04:02 |
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| Macer | sendmail and postfix aren't installed | 04:02 |
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| madmikeuk | postfix? | 04:02 |
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| madmikeuk | hmm | 04:02 |
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| dmj726 | perhaps this needs to find it's way to a few blogger's headlines. | 04:02 |
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| AakashPatel | Macer: I remember this happened to you before on something else lol | 04:03 |
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| * CShadowRun hands dmj726 a "I'm blogging this" T-Shirt | 04:03 |
| crashanddie | Guys, at this point we don't even know what the hell happened to "drnok". For all we know, it could just be a glitch or whatever (very suspicious glitch I agree, but still) | 04:03 |
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| AakashPatel | macer: any apps using UPnP? | 04:03 |
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| AakashPatel | ;) | 04:03 |
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| crashanddie | I just ask you for patience | 04:03 |
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| dmj726 | Who manages the repos? | 04:03 |
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| madmikeuk | the same suspicious glitch that wiped all the other nintendo emus? ;) | 04:03 |
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| dmj726 | We should ask them about it. | 04:03 |
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| w00t | I expect there will be an explanation as to exactly what happened on monday, but from what I heard earlier, there was discussion on this | 04:03 |
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| crashanddie | Please allow the council, and the community members involved to understand what has happened | 04:03 |
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| AakashPatel | Was drnok an app or something? | 04:03 |
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| w00t | there's already a thread on talk for it | 04:03 |
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| madmikeuk | yeah | 04:03 |
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| AakashPatel | I see | 04:04 |
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| dmj726 | snes emulator | 04:04 |
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| AakashPatel | Ohh | 04:04 |
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| Macer | wtf | 04:04 |
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| crashanddie | dmj726, they're contractors | 04:04 |
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| Macer | is there a wayy to find out what is using the port? | 04:04 |
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| w00t | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35248 | 04:04 |
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| AakashPatel | Shit happens...thats life ;) | 04:04 |
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| pekuja | drnoksnes, to be exact | 04:04 |
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| crashanddie | dmj726, they're paid for by Nokia, but work for the Community | 04:04 |
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| w00t | in particular: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=397055&postcount=37 | 04:04 |
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| madmikeuk | i'm not fussed though, i can just compile a copy of it using the garage tarball in the fremantle sdk | 04:05 |
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| AakashPatel | Macer: Hmm i remember seeing some command :/ | 04:05 |
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| crashanddie | so please, just allow it to settle | 04:05 |
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| * AakashPatel forgot it | 04:05 |
| AakashPatel | shit | 04:05 |
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| crashanddie | stop pushing the buttons on TMO | 04:05 |
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| crashanddie | the only thing we're doing is creating a shitstorm | 04:05 |
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| pekuja | crashanddie: TMO? | 04:05 |
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| crashanddie | talk.maemo.org | 04:05 |
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| pekuja | ah, talk.maemo.org | 04:05 |
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| crashanddie | I don't want to see all the good work that has been done around repos destroyed just because of this | 04:06 |
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| w00t | if (and I emphasise if) there is a need for a shitstorm, it can wait for next week, when there will likely be more information about this | 04:06 |
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| lcuk | arent you going to aus crashanddie ? | 04:06 |
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| pekuja | crashanddie: nobody's destroying the work right now. we're just talking about the issue here | 04:06 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, leaving to california on sunday | 04:06 |
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| crashanddie | pekuja, and talking about "creating a repo nokia has no control over" | 04:06 |
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| kynky | version 1.2.4 was on maemo , but version 1.2.2 tarball on garage ? | 04:06 |
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| lcuk | i think ill finally be using the name lookup you wrote seb :) | 04:06 |
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| lcuk | thanks | 04:07 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, heh | 04:07 |
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| lcuk | ive revived the irc app | 04:07 |
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| Macer | exim ;) | 04:07 |
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| crashanddie | Don't forget, if need be, you can always install a .deb directly from garage, or whatever the host is | 04:07 |
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| crashanddie | but for the love of god, no repositories, please | 04:07 |
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| dmj726 | I hope we never need a Medimaemo repo | 04:07 |
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| pekuja | crashanddie: yeah, to which you say "NO! FUCK YOU GUYS, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT" instead of "actually, the current ones aren't controlled by Nokia, so there's probably something else happening behind the scenes" | 04:07 |
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| crashanddie | seriously guys, you weren't here at the time | 04:07 |
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| lcuk | nor were you | 04:08 |
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| crashanddie | yes, I was | 04:08 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, memory issues mate? we joined at the same time | 04:08 |
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| pekuja | crashanddie: but maybe it's a war flashback type thing, so I understand ;-) | 04:08 |
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| lcuk | exactly | 04:08 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, and builder didn't exist ;) | 04:08 |
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| lcuk | #and the repo history problem was well in hand on n800s | 04:09 |
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| crashanddie | pekuja, "THIS IS MY WAAAAAAAAR, ADRIAAAAAAANE" | 04:09 |
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| lcuk | we arrived as a solution was being formulated | 04:09 |
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| lcuk | the problem well existed before us | 04:09 |
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| crashanddie | I didn't say it started with us, thank god for that | 04:09 |
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| crashanddie | I just remember the outfall | 04:10 |
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| lcuk | you sebastian are personally at fault for the repo cockup | 04:10 |
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| lcuk | come on, hold your hands up :p | 04:10 |
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| crashanddie | \o/ | 04:10 |
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| crashanddie | I remember the shitload of stupid things there were, different repos with their own search engines, absolutely no control, and plus, once Nokia will implement the "Platform Security", there's going to be a lot more restriction as to what can and can't be installed | 04:11 |
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| pekuja | crashanddie: so what's your involvement in Maemo? | 04:11 |
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| crashanddie | pekuja, official troll | 04:11 |
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| pekuja | haha, ok | 04:11 |
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| w00t | (at least he's honest about it) | 04:11 |
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| crashanddie | pekuja, I used to be a dev, kinda, worked on a few things here and there | 04:12 |
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| crashanddie | pekuja, then work happened, and not a lot of time to write code | 04:12 |
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| pekuja | :-/ | 04:12 |
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| crashanddie | so I just started to hack people rather than hack code | 04:12 |
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| AakashPatel | Command not recognized | 04:13 |
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| AakashPatel | >.< | 04:13 |
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| crashanddie | Oh look, someone told me I'm a double faced bastard on TMO, has nice | 04:15 |
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| AakashPatel | TMO <wazzat? | 04:16 |
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| crashanddie | talk.maemo.org | 04:16 |
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| w00t | crashanddie: wait, you're not? :o | 04:16 |
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| * w00t is grossly misinformed! | 04:16 |
| madmikeuk | TMO is troll or be trolled most of the time | 04:16 |
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| crashanddie | w00t, as lcuk can attest, if I were double faced, would I be wearing this one? | 04:17 |
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| w00t | crashanddie: true. I expect you'd rather not break mirrors :-) | 04:17 |
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| AakashPatel | Curses whoever took aakashpatel nickname on garage! | 04:17 |
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| * AakashPatel has to use aakashbpatel :( | 04:17 |
| * lcuk puts his hands up | 04:17 |
| * AakashPatel kicks lcuk | 04:18 |
| lcuk | crash, yes you are 2 faced, AakashPatel has this ever happened before? or is this the first ever time your doppleganger has got in there before you | 04:18 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, I'm not 2 faced! | 04:18 |
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| crashanddie | how am I 2 faced? | 04:18 |
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| * lcuk laughs | 04:18 |
| AakashPatel | Im biplar | 04:18 |
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| w00t | because if it was all in one piece it would be too ugly for anyone to tolerate | 04:18 |
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| AakashPatel | bipolar | 04:18 |
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| AakashPatel | haha | 04:18 |
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| * w00t ducks | 04:18 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, if you are being called in in tmo, obviously its true | 04:19 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, lol | 04:19 |
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| w00t | hah | 04:19 |
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| AakashPatel | lcuk: Rarely ever happens lol | 04:19 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, i don't give a crap about tmo, I do care about your opinion though | 04:19 |
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| lcuk | then wtf are you lot gettin on your high horses about | 04:19 |
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| lcuk | .me nods | 04:19 |
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| lcuk | seb i know its nearly your last day, but theres a security problem in the java class im editing | 04:20 |
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| crashanddie | oh ffs | 04:20 |
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| lcuk | :D | 04:20 |
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| crashanddie | bastard, you got me | 04:21 |
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| AakashPatel | haha | 04:21 |
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| * crashanddie throws a fag to lcuk | 04:21 |
| * lcuk gets back to code | 04:21 |
| lcuk | ta | 04:21 |
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| crashanddie | oh, my paycheck! | 04:21 |
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| crashanddie | w00t | 04:21 |
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| w00t | hm? | 04:21 |
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| crashanddie | sorry | 04:22 |
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| w00t | :( | 04:22 |
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| w00t | nobody wants to talk to poor old me | 04:22 |
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| crashanddie | it's one of my favourite "sounds" | 04:22 |
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| crashanddie | I w00t a lot | 04:22 |
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| * w00t feels unloved | 04:23 |
| AakashPatel | Hm how come on maemo.org when you enter your garage username and pass it doesnt redirect you to the garage.maemo.org website, instead keeps asking you for your credentials | 04:23 |
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| lcuk | is there a pattern match thing that will store away the pattern results in an array or collection | 04:23 |
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| w00t | AakashPatel: have you registered on garage? it's seperate from maemo.org/talk | 04:23 |
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| AakashPatel | Yeah | 04:23 |
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| crashanddie | AakashPatel, search for SSO on TMO or BMO | 04:23 |
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| lcuk | AakashPatel, cos its not sure you are who you say you are, so it mst confirm | 04:23 |
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| AakashPatel | lcuk: lol | 04:24 |
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| AakashPatel | crashanddie: sso, bmo | 04:24 |
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| crashanddie | sweet mother of jesus | 04:24 |
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| AakashPatel | what do those stand for lol | 04:24 |
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| lcuk | obviously theres a fake you around | 04:24 |
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| crashanddie | AakashPatel, single sign-on | 04:24 |
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| AakashPatel | oh okay | 04:24 |
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| crashanddie | AakashPatel, bugs.maemo.org | 04:24 |
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| AakashPatel | i see | 04:24 |
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| crashanddie | wtm tla ioi | 04:24 |
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| lcuk | all the accounts are borkened but there are ninja hamsters running around trying to bring them all together | 04:25 |
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| crashanddie | (way too many three letter acronyms in our industry) | 04:25 |
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| * AakashPatel 's brain farts | 04:25 |
| AakashPatel | Hah true that | 04:25 |
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| crashanddie | AakashPatel, basically there's an effort going on trying to establish a web-sso system that would allow all systems part of maemo.org to function using the same credentials | 04:25 |
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| AakashPatel | Awesome | 04:26 |
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| crashanddie | AakashPatel, however it is quite a tricky process, as each solution to the issue has major drawbacks, so it requires careful planning | 04:26 |
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| AakashPatel | very understandable | 04:26 |
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| AakashPatel | you do something? YOU BETTER DUN IT RIGHT | 04:27 |
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| AakashPatel | haha i forgot whats taht off of | 04:27 |
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| crashanddie | Obviously, as the Lead Technical Consultant for ActivIdentity Professional Services, I would recommend using ActivIdentity 4TRESS Authentication Server in conjunction with ActivIdentity SecureLogin Single Sign-On, the industry-standard in terms of Enterprise-level security! | 04:27 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, can I get the official "Maemo/Spammer" hostmask? | 04:28 |
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| AakashPatel | Haha you should be their spokesman also | 04:28 |
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| AakashPatel | :0 | 04:28 |
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| AakashPatel | that would be the coolest hostmask ever | 04:29 |
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| AakashPatel | well, in here at least | 04:29 |
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| AakashPatel | lol | 04:29 |
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| crashanddie | true | 04:29 |
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| * AakashPatel wants ;) | 04:30 |
| crashanddie | for $i in [~$query(/list channels)] -command=/join $i -tempo 0.3 -command=/say $i "Are you looking for a new corporate phone? May I suggest looking into the Maemo platform. For more information, /join #maemo or visit http://www.maemo.org" | 04:30 |
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| crashanddie | bonus points for those who recognise the syntax | 04:31 |
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| AakashPatel | erm | 04:31 |
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| AakashPatel | PHP? | 04:31 |
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| * AakashPatel doesnt know | 04:32 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 04:32 |
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| AakashPatel | oh wait wtf | 04:32 |
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| crashanddie | PHP as a scripting language? ;) | 04:32 |
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| * AakashPatel hits himself in the face for saying PHP | 04:32 |
| crashanddie | err, "irc scripting language" | 04:32 |
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| AakashPatel | Oh hm, i really havent looked into scripts on IRC too much | 04:33 |
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| AakashPatel | too much/at all* | 04:33 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, I just got paid, and it includes my upgrade salary for my new position in oz ;) | 04:34 |
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| lcuk | cool, so you can afford 2 hookers and still have enough for a 4pack of XXXX | 04:35 |
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| AakashPatel | LOL | 04:36 |
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| crashanddie | pretty much | 04:36 |
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| lcuk | good on ya | 04:36 |
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| lcuk | how long you stateside, was it 2 weeks? | 04:36 |
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| crashanddie | nearly 3 in total | 04:36 |
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| AakashPatel | What state? | 04:36 |
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| crashanddie | but won't be back in the UK until 5th Jan | 04:36 |
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| crashanddie | AakashPatel, california | 04:36 |
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| AakashPatel | Nice | 04:37 |
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| lcuk | 1 week holiday, 10 days for the cavity inspection retests | 04:37 |
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| crashanddie | I'm officially going to live in hotels for the next 11 weeks | 04:37 |
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| pupnik | bring back the .install file :F | 04:37 |
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| *** fluff is now known as fluff|afk | 04:37 |
| pupnik | wow | 04:38 |
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| pupnik | nobody will rent to you? | 04:39 |
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| crashanddie | why would I rent? Company paying | 04:39 |
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| pupnik | i would ask for the money in cash | 04:39 |
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| crashanddie | Doesn't work that way | 04:39 |
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| crashanddie | lol | 04:39 |
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| pupnik | i can negotiate | 04:39 |
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| crashanddie | not with our finance team you can't | 04:40 |
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| crashanddie | the CFO has an automatic reply for his emails. As soon as there is a question mark in an email he receives, a response is being sent out "NO" | 04:40 |
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| pupnik | mhm h well | 04:40 |
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| crashanddie | easiest job in the world | 04:40 |
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| pupnik | lol | 04:40 |
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| AakashPatel | Hahaha | 04:41 |
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| pupnik | "Do you mind if we pay ourselves out of company accounts?" | 04:41 |
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| crashanddie | 500 strong company | 04:42 |
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| AakashPatel | brb | 04:43 |
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| crashanddie | one man only has the legal right to sign documents | 04:43 |
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| crashanddie | the CFO | 04:43 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, nearly 3AM | 04:43 |
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| crashanddie | I'm out | 04:44 |
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| crashanddie | take care | 04:44 |
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| wrapster | i just finished installing the sdk | 04:57 |
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| wrapster | starting xephyr opens up another black terminal? What is that. | 04:57 |
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| wrapster | and what does scratchbox contain>? | 04:58 |
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| cehteh | what os? | 04:59 |
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| wrapster | cehteh: ubuntu | 04:59 |
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| cehteh | on debian it wors fine for me | 05:00 |
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| cehteh | well except the usual documented bugs | 05:00 |
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| wrapster | hmm.. or do could it be coz of compiz? | 05:00 |
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| cehteh | likely | 05:00 |
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| wrapster | the window is apparently called "xephyr on:2.0(ctrl+shift to grab mouse and keyboard) | 05:01 |
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| wrapster | i started the server i know that.. but should it throw up an empty black screen? is my question | 05:01 |
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| izzox | Hi all | 05:03 |
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| cehteh | normally or at least here xephyr has the usual X background pattern .. kindof weaved dots | 05:03 |
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| wrapster | cehteh: even after switching compiz off "Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb & | 05:04 |
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| wrapster | " when i run this.. i get the server window open but again a black screen? | 05:04 |
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| cehteh | no idea maybe 'buntu patched the usual xserver pattern out? | 05:05 |
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| cehteh | can you start any normal app inside? | 05:05 |
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| cehteh | DISPLAY=:2 xeyes | 05:05 |
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| wrapster | hmm... inside the server you mean? | 05:05 |
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| wrapster | echo $DISPLAY | 05:06 |
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| wrapster | :0.0 | 05:06 |
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| wrapster | thats from my regular teminal | 05:06 |
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| cehteh | DISPLAY=:2 xeyes | 05:06 |
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| cehteh | exactly like that | 05:06 |
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| wrapster | ok | 05:07 |
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| wrapster | i see the cursor blinking on the next line and in the xpher server i see eyes... lol | 05:08 |
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| wrapster | responding to my mouse movement? | 05:08 |
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| wrapster | but still a black screen on the whole | 05:09 |
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| cehteh | cursor blinking on the terminal where you started it? or inside the xephyr window? | 05:09 |
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| wrapster | where i started it | 05:10 |
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| simula_ | the n900 rocks | 05:10 |
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| Hydroxide | woo for figuring out how to get the internet via my N900 over a usb cable from Linux! :) [using kppp from kde4 in this case, but that's a detail] | 05:10 |
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| simula_ | now i just have to install qt for maemo : | 05:11 |
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| simula_ | :) | 05:11 |
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| cehteh | any news about the microphone problems? | 05:11 |
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| Hydroxide | a web page aimed at sierra wireless customers running linux combined with t-mobile apn info combined with a couple of google searches and some trial+error got it working | 05:11 |
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| cehteh | and GPS fix without net connection | 05:11 |
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| Hydroxide | cehteh: my n900 mic is functional. (sep 3 preorder from nokiausa.com, shipped nov 24, arrived nov 25) | 05:11 |
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| cehteh | germany here | 05:12 |
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| Hydroxide | haven't gotten gps fix successfully yet, but only tried with a very obstructed view of the sky once | 05:12 |
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| cehteh | preordered from a retailer so it will take a bit | 05:12 |
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| Hydroxide | ah. | 05:12 |
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| simula_ | i haven't played with my mic yet | 05:12 |
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| Hydroxide | good luck. | 05:12 |
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| cehteh | well some tell gps without net connection doesnt work at all | 05:12 |
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| Hydroxide | simula_: just try to make a call and have someone else hear you? | 05:12 |
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| wrapster | cehteh: any idea? is it normal or not? how do i run python scripts on it? i just want to check before i start.. hmm lets say a python hello world prg | 05:12 |
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| cehteh | with network no problem | 05:12 |
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| simula_ | hydroxide... i don't have a sim card in it... wifi baby :) | 05:13 |
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| Hydroxide | cehteh: I'm guessing it will take longer to get a fix without having recently downloaded AGPS coordinates | 05:13 |
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| Hydroxide | simula_: so? do a voip call :) | 05:13 |
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| cehteh | wrapster: if xeyes display then xephyr is working .. just go on as the manual says | 05:13 |
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| Hydroxide | jabber/google talk/sip/skype | 05:13 |
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| simula_ | i haven't set up a voip account with it yet :) | 05:13 |
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| Hydroxide | ah :) | 05:13 |
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| cehteh | Hydroxide: they say 'not at all' means really not at all | 05:13 |
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| Hydroxide | ah | 05:13 |
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| cehteh | sitting for hours and get no fix | 05:13 |
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| Hydroxide | wow | 05:13 |
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| wrapster | cehteh: manual? | 05:13 |
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| cehteh | that would be a no deal for me | 05:14 |
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| cehteh | wrapster: SDK manual | 05:14 |
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| wrapster | cehteh: ok | 05:14 |
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| Hydroxide | anyway, I'm not too worried for myself since I have a flat-rate data plan... but i might test out of curiosity | 05:14 |
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| Hydroxide | and for places out of reception, of course | 05:14 |
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| cehteh | well if mine arrives someday and doesnt get a fix without sim card i send it back | 05:14 |
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| AakashPatel | bck | 05:15 |
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| Hydroxide | cehteh: most likely wifi would work too, but depending on use that might not be useful | 05:15 |
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| AakashPatel | back | 05:15 |
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| cehteh | when do you need gps most? .. i do when i am in a foreign country or in the wilderness | 05:15 |
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| AakashPatel | Navigation on my old phones | 05:15 |
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| cehteh | means no net or expensive roaming | 05:15 |
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| Hydroxide | personally I use it for tracking map-based navigation within my home country :) | 05:15 |
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| cehteh | so i want a reliable gps without net | 05:15 |
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| Hydroxide | then again, my home country covers a much larger area than your home country, so I travel outside of it less often even for the same distances | 05:16 |
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| cehteh | europe has more smaller countries | 05:16 |
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| Hydroxide | yep | 05:16 |
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| cehteh | it already turned me off that it doesnt have a compass .. | 05:16 |
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| Hydroxide | I've been to a few of them. not germany yet though - maybe if munich wins their bid to host debconf11 | 05:16 |
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| cehteh | but if gps doesnt get a fix that would be extremely disappointing | 05:17 |
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| Hydroxide | cehteh: some of the rumors say it has one of those. I haven't tested. the official specs don't list an FM radio or the IrDA but it has those | 05:17 |
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| Hydroxide | (compass) | 05:17 |
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| cehteh | yeah there are some rumors | 05:17 |
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| AakashPatel | Does the N900 have a compass? | 05:17 |
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| Hydroxide | AakashPatel: that's what we're wondering about :) | 05:17 |
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| cehteh | but there are also disassembled pics of it and looks like no one seen a compass chip yet | 05:18 |
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| AakashPatel | Oh hah | 05:18 |
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| Hydroxide | ah | 05:18 |
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| cehteh | while fm reciever is on the chipset for free | 05:18 |
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| Hydroxide | ya | 05:18 |
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| cehteh | prolly just a little chip which could be soldered to gpio or i2c .. i really wonder why it doesnt have one | 05:19 |
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| simula_ | has anyone installed build-essential on their n900? | 05:20 |
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| Ave | anyone gotten a production n900 yet? | 05:27 |
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| clmntch | hello | 05:27 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: many people | 05:28 |
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| Ave | I read many forums and people only bitch about continuous postpones | 05:29 |
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| Ave | even from official nokia store and operators | 05:29 |
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| simula_ | i have one | 05:29 |
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| Ave | yaay | 05:29 |
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| simula_ | pre-ordered early | 05:29 |
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| simula_ | usa | 05:29 |
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| Ave | did you 810? | 05:30 |
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| Ave | have | 05:30 |
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| simula_ | nopes | 05:30 |
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| Ave | I gotta get to try one .. | 05:30 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: even amazon US is shipping a few out a day | 05:30 |
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| Ave | I have android phone now and had 810, but I have no idea what to expect from n900 | 05:30 |
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| AakashPatel | I have an android phone also | 05:30 |
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| Ave | judging form iamges alone, the 900 seems a bit bulky | 05:31 |
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| simula_ | it is extremely sweet... i'm still putting it through it's paces | 05:31 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: what Android based phoen do you have rigth now | 05:31 |
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| pekuja | Ave: it's smaller than an 810 I think | 05:32 |
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| Ave | htc hero | 05:32 |
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| AakashPatel | o.O the sprint one or the other one? | 05:32 |
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| Ave | a bit underpowerd, but still nice | 05:32 |
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| AakashPatel | Yeah, underpowered | 05:32 |
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| Ave | um its stock unlocked one, I think I bought mine from france | 05:32 |
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| Ave | (finland) | 05:32 |
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| simula_ | http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/HTC_HD2_Nokia_N900_keyboard_comparison_SlashGear_8-540x384.jpg | 05:32 |
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| Ave | man these messages http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=397199&postcount=4245 | 05:32 |
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| lpotter | it is smaller than the tablets | 05:32 |
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| Ave | I found that the 810 hw keyboard had too little clearing at the top, it was hard to type | 05:33 |
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| Ave | hope 900 has more space there | 05:33 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: Tell him to quit bitching and he'll get it before that date | 05:33 |
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| simula_ | i'm picking up the little keyboard pretty well :) | 05:33 |
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| AakashPatel | On twitter people are posting they're shipping | 05:33 |
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| AakashPatel | simula: Are the keys nice on the n900? | 05:34 |
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| AakashPatel | like typing on it? | 05:34 |
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| * AakashPatel has wide thumbs | 05:34 |
| Ave | the waiting must've been rough ..2 months! | 05:34 |
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| Ave | I would've exploded | 05:34 |
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| simula_ | they seem pretty nice to me, but i'm not a big guy :) | 05:34 |
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| lpotter | the space between the kayboard is the same, but the n900 has more definition in the keys | 05:34 |
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| pekuja | AakashPatel: can you type on other thumb keyboards? | 05:35 |
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| AakashPatel | Yeah | 05:35 |
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| Ave | hm well, I always ran into the screen with my thumbs, and I dont have particularly big hands | 05:35 |
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| AakashPatel | i can type on the HTC Dream okay | 05:35 |
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| pekuja | ok | 05:35 |
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| lpotter | I find its easier to type on the n900 than the n810 | 05:36 |
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| Ave | well it does have 1 less row right? | 05:36 |
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| lpotter | ya 3 rows | 05:36 |
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| Ave | btw, is there a dpad/home/back hw keys anywhere? | 05:36 |
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| Ave | I mean how are you supposed to run old legacy apps | 05:36 |
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| Ave | if any .. | 05:36 |
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| lpotter | there are arrow keys | 05:36 |
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| lpotter | and the spacebar is not in the middle and takes a bit to get used to | 05:37 |
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| lpotter | spacebar is to the right of 'M' | 05:37 |
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| Ave | blasphemy | 05:38 |
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| lpotter | its not bad. | 05:38 |
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| Ave | had to mod the keymap in 810 to get pipe and pgup/pgdown | 05:38 |
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| Ave | essential for screen/irssi .. | 05:38 |
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| Ave | well shell in general | 05:38 |
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| Ave | tab also | 05:38 |
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| Ave | I mean without resorting the the horrible CHR picker | 05:39 |
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| lpotter | its extremely easy to send a txt or im message | 05:39 |
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| Ave | are all common IM standards supported now without 3rd party app? | 05:40 |
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| Ave | people use mostly msn | 05:40 |
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| lpotter | i suppose at some point there will be | 05:41 |
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| Ave | even 810 had something, but in reality you had to install different app to get real world IM capabilities | 05:41 |
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| lpotter | ya, it will be like a plugin, I suppsoe | 05:42 |
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| Ave | iirc its now using the telepathy framewoek | 05:43 |
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| Ave | or no was it just latest gnome/ubuntu reelase switching away from pidgin .. | 05:43 |
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| Ave | too many things going on | 05:44 |
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| Arkenoi | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/2800mAh-Extended-Battery-for-Nokia-5800-BL-5J-BL5J_W0QQitemZ370293304993QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091120?IMSfp=TL0911201610001r26 if we only had replacement back cover.. | 06:03 |
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| pekuja | Arkenoi: we'd have a really thick phone then | 06:07 |
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| pekuja | Arkenoi: I'm sure an extended battery for N900 will come out soon enough if there is demand for it | 06:08 |
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| Ave | the htc hero has same thing going on, someone sells a custom extended battery AND custom back cover | 06:09 |
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| Ave | but the outside dimensions arent changed | 06:09 |
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| Ave | the back cover is just slightly thinner | 06:09 |
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| pekuja | haha | 06:09 |
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| Ave | due to thicker battery, obviously | 06:10 |
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| Ave | you get few hundred mAh more .. | 06:10 |
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| pekuja | that battery on eBay is double the capacity of the original | 06:11 |
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| pekuja | so that's pretty good | 06:11 |
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| Ave | is it really | 06:11 |
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| pekuja | yeah | 06:11 |
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| Ave | you can buy most anything from eg dealextreme, but you'll get whatever .. | 06:11 |
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| pekuja | the original battery is 1320mAh | 06:11 |
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| pekuja | haha | 06:12 |
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| pekuja | you may be right | 06:12 |
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| Ave | if the battery is ~ twice the size, then why not | 06:14 |
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| Ave | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22691 | 06:14 |
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| Ave | quite cheap huh | 06:14 |
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| Ave | and they have worldwide free shipping, thats insane, really .. | 06:15 |
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| Ave | I've bought one cree high power led lamp from there, pretty nice quality for the price (about 10 euros) | 06:16 |
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| Ave | I felt sick due to the fact that they ship everything from hong kong in airplanes all over the world ... | 06:16 |
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| pekuja | well basically they ship so much stuff that it doesn't cost them a lot to ship any individual product | 06:17 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, telepathy-extras is in Extras-devel | 06:17 |
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| GAN900 | lpotter, the N900 has more space above the keyboard than the N810 | 06:18 |
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| GAN900 | sjgadsby has a comparison shot up on flickr. | 06:18 |
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| Ave | yeah I know they ship insane amount of stuff, but still | 06:18 |
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| Ave | sometimes people order <1 dollar items just for kicks | 06:18 |
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| Ave | yay more space! | 06:19 |
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| Ave | nokia did SOMETHING right atleast! | 06:19 |
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| GAN900 | The N900 keyboard has great feel. | 06:19 |
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| AakashPatel | awesome | 06:20 |
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| GAN900 | Though, honestly, I still prefer the fullscreen keyboard coming from nearly 3 years with an N800. | 06:20 |
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| greenfly | screen keyboard makes interactive shells tough | 06:21 |
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| Ave | but there still is osd kb in 900? | 06:21 |
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| Myrtti | stupid canola2, can't update it on my n800 :-( | 06:21 |
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| greenfly | like mutt, vim, and irssi | 06:21 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, worst part of Maemo 5 is all of the rough edges they need to smooth out to get it up to par featurewise with something like S60 for phone use. | 06:21 |
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| GAN900 | Per-contact ringtones, voice dialing, caller announcement, profile customization, etc. | 06:22 |
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| GAN900 | As a tablet it's great, though. | 06:22 |
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| Ave | sounds harsh | 06:22 |
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| Ave | well as a tablet, I like tne 810 even if its a bit underpowered | 06:22 |
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| Ave | I got it customized to my liking | 06:23 |
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| GAN900 | N900 aint underpowered. ;) | 06:23 |
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| AakashPatel | Lol its a besat | 06:23 |
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| AakashPatel | beast | 06:23 |
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| * AakashPatel drools at the specs | 06:23 |
| GAN900 | It's particularly nice being able to play back mostly anything from my UPnP mediaserver. | 06:23 |
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| pupnik | it is a balanced lightweight sports coupe for me | 06:24 |
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| Macer | ugh | 06:24 |
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| Macer | after dicking around with this damn zimbra crap for hours i finally got it working | 06:24 |
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| Macer | wtf | 06:24 |
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| Macer | i was about to switch to ms server and exchange | 06:24 |
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| GAN900 | Probably more MX-5 than Z4 M, though. | 06:25 |
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| * Myrtti stares at the application manager of her n800 with distaste | 06:25 |
| AakashPatel | Macer: I thought ZIMBRA WAS AWESOME | 06:25 |
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| pupnik | to me a monster is something that consumes lots of energy | 06:25 |
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| Myrtti | stupid bloody thing | 06:25 |
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| AakashPatel | pupnik: its worth it lol | 06:25 |
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| AakashPatel | feed it all the power it wants | 06:25 |
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| pupnik | ever ride in a mx5? | 06:25 |
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| Ave | GAN900: also 720p h264 video? | 06:25 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, really wish we had a couple of interested UI hackers for that thing. | 06:25 |
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| AakashPatel | how about 1080p :0 | 06:25 |
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| pupnik | id like to try one for a few days | 06:25 |
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| Ave | that really needs hw assistance/gpu offloading | 06:25 |
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| Macer | AakashPatel: it is when it's running | 06:25 |
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| Macer | it totally sucks to set up when you have problems | 06:26 |
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| Macer | which really my major problem was the goddamn godaddy ssl cert | 06:26 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, MPEG4 is doable, built-in stumbles with the higher quality h.264 profiles. | 06:26 |
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| Ave | I have yet to see a pc that doesnt | 06:26 |
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| pupnik | i thought we had a media engine folr that | 06:26 |
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| GAN900 | There's a NEON optimized decoder floating around. | 06:26 |
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| pupnik | in hadware | 06:26 |
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| GAN900 | DSP handles video. | 06:26 |
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| pupnik | not powervr | 06:26 |
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| Ave | my netgem stb decodes absolutely everything h264 without a hiccup, but it has dedicated hw | 06:26 |
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| Myrtti | GAN900: it told me I have problems, but didn't give any suggestions how to fix any | 06:26 |
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| Ave | and its linux based too | 06:26 |
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| pupnik | ok | 06:26 |
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| Myrtti | HAEt | 06:27 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, apt-get to the rescue! (?) | 06:27 |
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| Ave | the package manager is fail all around | 06:27 |
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| Ave | root shell and apt-get wins, every time | 06:27 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, except for the fact that the cache is on rootfs by default. ;) | 06:28 |
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| Myrtti | Ave: we should've evolved past that ages ago | 06:28 |
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| Ave | I have many problems, I wonder if the package manager knows about those | 06:28 |
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| clmntch | hrm | 06:28 |
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| Myrtti | to get to consumer markets | 06:28 |
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| Ave | by the geeks, for the geeks, never forget | 06:28 |
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| Myrtti | not just for us geeks | 06:28 |
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| Myrtti | fuck that | 06:28 |
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| GAN900 | FGBG? | 06:29 |
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| Ave | I suppose nokia has, or should have, some usability/ui experts in staff | 06:29 |
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| raz955 | the sound in n900 is loud like n96 or n73 music edition ? | 06:29 |
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| cehteh | apt-get install --reinstall microphone :) | 06:29 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, they do, they have funny ideas about stuff sometimes, however. | 06:29 |
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| raz955 | the sound in n900 is loud like n96 or n73 music edition ? | 06:30 |
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| Ave | you can actually buy a megaphone as addon | 06:30 |
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| Ave | a Nokia©® one | 06:30 |
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| pupnik | it is a good speakerphone volume | 06:30 |
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| GAN900 | raz955, I can only compare to my 5800 and N800 | 06:30 |
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| GAN900 | It's louder than both. | 06:30 |
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| pupnik | man winter | 06:31 |
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| pupnik | it just doesnt count wikthout snow | 06:31 |
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| raz955 | GAN900 : N900 Louder than 5800 ? | 06:32 |
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| pupnik | he just said that | 06:32 |
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| GAN900 | raz955, yes. | 06:32 |
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| GAN900 | Louder than most Apple laptops, too. | 06:32 |
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| pupnik | think of another question | 06:32 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, my thin Florida bload disagress with you. | 06:32 |
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| cehteh | ohnoes ... more disco in public transportation :P | 06:33 |
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| * GAN900 is cold. | 06:33 |
| raz955 | GNV900 : ok nice | 06:33 |
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| Ave | I watched the multitask demo from youtube, was fairly impressive | 06:33 |
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| Ave | how much does the 900 have memory? | 06:33 |
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| Ave | actual ram | 06:33 |
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| raz955 | 256 | 06:33 |
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| cehteh | 256MB | 06:33 |
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| raz955 | http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n900-2917.php | 06:34 |
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| GAN900 | Plus 768MB of swap | 06:34 |
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| Ave | huh only .. | 06:34 |
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| cehteh | it is directly on the cpu chip so dont whine, no change possible | 06:34 |
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| GAN900 | Which it generally uses to good effect. | 06:34 |
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| raz955 | the phone very slowly | 06:34 |
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| raz955 | # Large and heavy | 06:34 |
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| raz955 | # No voice recorder, no MMS, and no handwriting recognition | 06:34 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, find me another OMAP3 device with more. kthxbye ;) | 06:34 |
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| raz955 | # Outdated camera interface and features | 06:34 |
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| GAN900 | cehteh, false. | 06:34 |
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| Ave | I mean only that much, consiering the multitas capabilities | 06:34 |
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| cehteh | voice recorder should be trivial by 3rd party | 06:35 |
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| Ave | suppose much shared mem and a sane swap algo | 06:35 |
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| cehteh | linux | 06:35 |
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| Ave | 2.6 kernel? | 06:35 |
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| Ave | I suppose | 06:35 |
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| GAN900 | cehteh, it's a PoP which is purchased separately and attached as part of the fab process. | 06:35 |
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| GAN900 | 2.6.28 | 06:35 |
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| cehteh | http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ << anyone with the actual phone may try to port that there | 06:35 |
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| GAN900 | Camera works great. | 06:36 |
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| cehteh | nitin is working/planning on compressed swap on the backing device too | 06:36 |
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| cehteh | i used that on my laptop and it increased performance considerably | 06:36 |
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| GAN900 | and the device's size and weight feels appropriate considering that what you're getting is a little laptop, not a phone. | 06:37 |
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| Ave | GAN900: beagleboard has nore if you count the nand flash! | 06:37 |
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| Ave | really, no | 06:37 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, Beagle and N900 have the same PoP. ;) | 06:37 |
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| Ave | surprising | 06:37 |
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| GAN900 | 2Gb/2Gb | 06:38 |
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| cehteh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32105 cool | 06:38 |
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| AakashPatel | mmm beagleboard | 06:38 |
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| * AakashPatel has one | 06:38 |
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| GAN900 | raz955, if you want the N900 just to use as a phone, you probably want to use something else. | 06:39 |
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| cehteh | can anyone please report me the value of /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode on the actual device? | 06:39 |
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| AakashPatel | GAN900++ | 06:39 |
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| GAN900 | raz955, however, if you want a laptop that fits in your pocket and also has phone functionality, then this is the device for you. | 06:39 |
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| AakashPatel | and if you dont know what that means..n900 isnt for you | 06:40 |
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| AakashPatel | haha | 06:40 |
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| raz955 | very funny | 06:40 |
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| AakashPatel | :D | 06:40 |
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| GAN900 | cehteh, 0. | 06:41 |
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| cehteh | and the filesystems are mounted with commit=1 iirc | 06:41 |
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| raz955 | Iphone 3GS Better :) | 06:41 |
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| AakashPatel | LOL | 06:41 |
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| AakashPatel | raz955: now THATS funny | 06:41 |
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| raz955 | the true is very funny :) | 06:42 |
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| raz955 | you right | 06:42 |
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| GAN900 | swappiness is 100 | 06:42 |
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| AakashPatel | o.o | 06:42 |
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| AakashPatel | raz955: you're srs? | 06:42 |
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| microlith | raz955 is back? | 06:42 |
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| cehteh | sounds like excessive writes to the nand | 06:42 |
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| GAN900 | raz955, having used both devices rather extensively, both of them cater to different audiences. | 06:42 |
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| GAN900 | cehteh, Ew | 06:42 |
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| GAN900 | er | 06:43 |
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| cehteh | the buildin flash isnt replaceable or? | 06:43 |
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| GAN900 | 32GB is a lot of room for wear leveling. | 06:43 |
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| cehteh | i mean not even not by service | 06:43 |
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| Ave | laptop is slightly broad claim sconsidering that you cant run everything a small real x86 laptop would | 06:43 |
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| cehteh | well only if you have a lot free | 06:43 |
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| raz955 | well i think the keyboard in n900 not comfortable and unnecessary | 06:43 |
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| Ave | I guess the sony vaio P ultraportable comes closest at that | 06:43 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: MOSTLY everything is good enough lol | 06:43 |
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| Ave | yeah in reality | 06:43 |
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| cehteh | if you use it frequently like video and swapping mp3's then not | 06:43 |
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| raz955 | Virtual Qwerty is better | 06:43 |
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| AakashPatel | raz955: have you useed it? | 06:44 |
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| microlith | raz955: that's your opinion, honestly | 06:44 |
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| Ave | hell I have everything I need in n810 and android atm | 06:44 |
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| GAN900 | Even if not, the N810 had fairly similar swap arrangements and I've not heard of any wearout issues. | 06:44 |
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| Ave | n900 would suffice too, I guess | 06:44 |
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| AakashPatel | microlith: | 06:44 |
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| raz955 | AskahPatel : no but i used N97 the keyboard not comfortable | 06:44 |
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| AakashPatel | i dont even think he's used a n900 | 06:44 |
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| microlith | AakashPatel: this much is obvious | 06:44 |
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| AakashPatel | raz955: N97...you guess it...IS NOT the n900 | 06:44 |
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| GAN900 | raz955, it has a virtual input, too. | 06:44 |
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| raz955 | but its the same keyboard | 06:44 |
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| GAN900 | raz955, not even close. | 06:44 |
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| cehteh | well if i ever receive mine .. the gps and the microphone works i may try to make it little less write happy :P | 06:44 |
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| * AakashPatel gives raz955 a cookie or being an idiot | 06:44 |
| AakashPatel | raz955: Bull shit | 06:45 |
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| raz955 | the buttons very small | 06:45 |
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| AakashPatel | Do you have eyes | 06:45 |
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| GAN900 | N900's keyboard is SO much better than the N97's. | 06:45 |
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| raz955 | ok 5800 better | 06:45 |
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| AakashPatel | Says a man | 06:45 |
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| raz955 | virtual keyboard | 06:45 |
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| AakashPatel | taht actually HAS an n900 | 06:45 |
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| lcuk | raz955, you know the real problem don't you. fucking thing isn't available in red. | 06:45 |
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| Myrtti | raz955: have a lollipop | 06:45 |
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| AakashPatel | hahaha | 06:45 |
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| * lcuk wants a red n900 | 06:46 |
| microlith | lcuk: a red one would go faster | 06:46 |
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| Myrtti | anyway | 06:46 |
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| AakashPatel | zoom zoom | 06:46 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, well, I showed the N900 to a bunch of Android hackers at the Florida Linux show and very nearly instantly converted all 6 of them. ;) | 06:46 |
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| lcuk | indeed | 06:46 |
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| raz955 | you just jealous that you dont have N95 8GB Like me | 06:46 |
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| AakashPatel | GAN900: haha im doing it right now | 06:46 |
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| Ave | GAN900: meh! | 06:46 |
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| raz955 | AHAHA ! sucker | 06:46 |
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| lcuk | pink for you Myrtti | 06:46 |
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| * AakashPatel looks down at his ADP1 | 06:46 |
| lcuk | ? | 06:46 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, and Maemo devices have long since obsoleted laptops for me. | 06:46 |
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| Myrtti | raz955: the door, it is that way | 06:46 |
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| Ave | I ♥ my 11" vaio | 06:47 |
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| Ave | nuff said | 06:47 |
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| AakashPatel | lol | 06:47 |
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| lcuk | :O | 06:47 |
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| Myrtti | anyway | 06:47 |
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| Ave | I'll prolly get n900 eventually, but I have to get my hands on one first | 06:47 |
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| GAN900 | raz955, trolling is not a productive sport here. :) | 06:47 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, someone nicked your thing | 06:47 |
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| Myrtti | http://paste.ubuntu.com/329972/ ♥ | 06:47 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: push just buy one | 06:47 |
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| Ave | no way jose | 06:47 |
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| * AakashPatel did | 06:47 |
| AakashPatel | :0 | 06:47 |
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| Ave | I bought n810 blind | 06:47 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, gulp | 06:47 |
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| Ave | myrtti is screwed | 06:48 |
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| lcuk | You are about to do something potentially harmful | 06:48 |
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| lcuk | To continue type in the phrase ‘Yes, do as I say!’ | 06:48 |
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| Ave | try aptitude too, it resolves dependencies better .. | 06:48 |
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| lcuk | "no way" | 06:48 |
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| Ave | if its available, I forget | 06:48 |
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| AakashPatel | incompatible encoding LOL | 06:48 |
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| AakashPatel | lcuk: what did you type after the end quote o.O | 06:48 |
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| Myrtti | Ave: i'm not an idiot, you kniw | 06:48 |
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| raz955 | capcitive or resitive what better ? | 06:49 |
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| Ave | Myrtti: did I say you were .. | 06:49 |
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| AakashPatel | depends | 06:49 |
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| raz955 | depends in what ? | 06:49 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, SDK repo and Extras-devel are dangerous. | 06:49 |
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| microlith | raz955: personal preference | 06:49 |
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| Myrtti | ctrl-c and i'm not 'screwed' anymore | 06:49 |
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| AakashPatel | yeah | 06:49 |
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| lcuk | raz955, i look forward to using the high resolution screen on my n900 | 06:49 |
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| AakashPatel | microlith: I didnt wanna say taht cuz i know he's gonna say somehting stupid back | 06:49 |
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| AakashPatel | lol | 06:49 |
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| lcuk | and writing and drawing my ideas | 06:49 |
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| microlith | AakashPatel: then why give him attention? | 06:50 |
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| Ave | Myrtti: bah, I meant regarding the to-be-removed packages | 06:50 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, the N900 is a much better device than the N810. | 06:50 |
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| Ave | it better be! | 06:50 |
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| AakashPatel | microlith: its like i have to make sure stupid people are stupid lol | 06:50 |
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| Ave | nokias last hope | 06:50 |
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| AakashPatel | know they are* | 06:50 |
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| Myrtti | Ave: *shrug* | 06:50 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, yeah, right, with their 40% share of the smartphone market. | 06:50 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, you in the uk nowadays? coming to long weekend? | 06:50 |
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| Myrtti | GAN900: probably didn't even realise i had them | 06:51 |
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| Ave | running symbian, and its massive app list | 06:51 |
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| GAN900 | Apple and Android hardly matter compared to Nokia's volumel | 06:51 |
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| Ave | having tried N97, I'm not at all sold | 06:51 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: back in Finnie until date x | 06:51 |
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| AakashPatel | GAN900: what IRC client are you using? | 06:51 |
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| GAN900 | XChat | 06:51 |
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| AakashPatel | mmm | 06:51 |
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| lcuk | where abouts? | 06:51 |
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| * AakashPatel cant wait to use XChat on an n900 | 06:51 |
| GAN900 | Ave, I agreep, but sales numbers speak volumes. | 06:51 |
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| lcuk | xchat works | 06:52 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: tampere | 06:52 |
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| Flandry | is libsdl supported by nokia or maemo? | 06:52 |
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| lcuk | cool - literally | 06:52 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, going to Barcelona? | 06:52 |
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| GAN900 | Flandy, silly question. | 06:52 |
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| GAN900 | Maemo is Nokia | 06:52 |
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| raz955 | N900 VS N95 8GB , ( N95 8GB HAVE Better Camera , Sound ) Thats improtant ! | 06:52 |
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| Flandry | um that's not what they told me :P | 06:52 |
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| GAN900 | "the community" is the second word you were looking for. ;) | 06:53 |
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| GAN900 | and, um, Nokia I believe. | 06:53 |
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| Ave | even so, I still feel that future mobile wars are fought between android, maemo and apple | 06:53 |
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| AakashPatel | raz955: SHUT THE FUCK UP | 06:53 |
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| Ave | symbian is yesterdays news | 06:53 |
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| lcuk | raz955, never had one | 06:53 |
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| Myrtti | GAN900: did ask my boss, but doubt it | 06:53 |
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| GAN900 | raz955, first warning. :) | 06:53 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, :( | 06:53 |
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| raz955 | GN900 you @ ? | 06:53 |
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| lcuk | but ive also never hada camrea i code up and do stuff with either | 06:53 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, Android rather distresses me. | 06:53 |
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| lcuk | gan is god unfortunately | 06:53 |
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| lcuk | :D | 06:54 |
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| AakashPatel | GAN900: On android, the "multitasking" is a bit unintuitive, the way you swtich apps | 06:54 |
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| microlith | AakashPatel: chill | 06:54 |
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| AakashPatel | microlith: *deep breaths* | 06:54 |
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| * lcuk sleeps | 06:54 |
| Ave | Java irks me, but other than that the google offering is pretty solid platform that has almost everything (including the evil) | 06:54 |
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| raz955 | every one here can kiss my pussy | 06:54 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, it plays at being an open platform but isn't anything of the sort. | 06:54 |
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| AakashPatel | okay, someone ban him | 06:54 |
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| raz955 | wow "BAN" | 06:54 |
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| raz955 | please dont do that | 06:54 |
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| raz955 | im "really" need this room lol | 06:55 |
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| Flandry | well i'm trying to figure out what i would do to add code to libsdl. I have the source package but where should i look? | 06:55 |
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| AakashPatel | you might wanna join #english also | 06:55 |
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| Ave | dont know if maemo is any more open, it too, has black boxes (like dsp, gps, booatloaders, whatnot) | 06:55 |
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| Myrtti | so a duck walked into a bar | 06:55 |
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| lcuk | ave it has black boxes, sure | 06:55 |
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| lcuk | just like every circuit board has chips | 06:55 |
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| AakashPatel | Thats expected :) | 06:55 |
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| Ave | android has its shady areas too | 06:56 |
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| lcuk | but we are free to build the board how we like | 06:56 |
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| lcuk | and use any language or toolkit to make what we need | 06:56 |
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| Ave | well android has been ported to n810 as well | 06:56 |
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| Flandry | lol android has its shady areas... | 06:56 |
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| Ave | why not n900 .. | 06:56 |
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| Ave | someone will do it, no doubt | 06:56 |
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| GAN900 | Avi, it has some compatability with desktop Linuxes and vaguely open governance. | 06:56 |
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| AakashPatel | Does the radio and such work? | 06:56 |
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| AakashPatel | on the n810 port? | 06:56 |
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| Flandry | whole of it in the shade of google | 06:56 |
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| Ave | almost nothing works, its mostly proof of concept | 06:56 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, because I don't want that evil Google Java shit on my device. | 06:57 |
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| Ave | yeah it is a bit nasty, but I dont really care, its nice from user perspective | 06:57 |
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| Ave | and I can code apps for it | 06:57 |
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| Ave | maemo is nicer in many respects,for sure | 06:57 |
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| AakashPatel | Android imo is meant just to be a phone | 06:57 |
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| AakashPatel | On a phone* | 06:57 |
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| Ave | it is | 06:57 |
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| GAN900 | Maemo 5 kicks its ass, though. ;) | 06:57 |
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| microlith | android is basically a winmo replacement | 06:58 |
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| Ave | that alone justifies its existance | 06:58 |
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| AakashPatel | maemo is like you want a UMPC that makes calls lol | 06:58 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: people try to do soem crazy shit with it lol | 06:58 |
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| Ave | we'll see about that in few years time | 06:59 |
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| Flandry | sigh | 06:59 |
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| Ave | I eargerly wait what happens in the device and app space on coming years | 06:59 |
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| Flandry | i really have no idea where to look for this | 06:59 |
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| Flandry | it's not on gitorious | 06:59 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: see about what? lol | 06:59 |
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| AakashPatel | i got lost | 07:00 |
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| GAN900 | Android is worse than WinMon and iPhone OS to me. | 07:00 |
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| AakashPatel | O.o | 07:00 |
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| GAN900 | At least those platforms are upfront about not being about. | 07:00 |
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| Flandry | yeah it's a bit hypocritical | 07:00 |
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| GAN900 | Android is billed as an open OS but is really nothing of the sort. | 07:00 |
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| AakashPatel | The core OS is open | 07:01 |
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| AakashPatel | But all the stuff that makes it useful is not lol | 07:01 |
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| Flandry | exactly | 07:01 |
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| GAN900 | It locks you into its toolkits, its language, and Google. | 07:01 |
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| GAN900 | Open isn't just about source. | 07:01 |
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| GAN900 | It's also about governance. | 07:01 |
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| AakashPatel | Google is REALLY shady about android | 07:01 |
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| Flandry | that's why i'm so down on it--i spent quite a while enthused about it before i realized the scam | 07:01 |
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| AakashPatel | upcoming feature and stuff like that | 07:01 |
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| AakashPatel | Flandry: you should have seen how many dev's were angry about how 2.0 was released | 07:02 |
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| Flandry | it wasn't until the C&D thing hit that i realized how pointless Android is without google | 07:02 |
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| Ave | android is not 100% libre by any means, but nothing is | 07:02 |
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| AakashPatel | 2-3 weeks before an actual device launch | 07:02 |
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| Flandry | and therefore how unopen it is | 07:02 |
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| AakashPatel | and they release the sdk | 07:02 |
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| AakashPatel | HYE GUISE FINISH UP | 07:02 |
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| Ave | maemo is "more free" if you want to define it like that | 07:02 |
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| AakashPatel | Yeah. | 07:03 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, I'm not open source zealot, but Android scares me. | 07:03 |
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| Ave | I guess | 07:04 |
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| GAN900 | The platform is much to eager to hand over controll to carriers and device manufacturers. | 07:04 |
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| AakashPatel | Lol I just want something that they actually communicate with you | 07:04 |
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| Ave | Iphone is locked more than android | 07:05 |
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| GAN900 | The N900 is the first really open phone. | 07:05 |
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| Ave | aha, what about neo freerunner! | 07:05 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, sure, but Apple doesn't lie about that. | 07:05 |
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| Ave | it even runs debian | 07:05 |
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| microlith | *chuckle* | 07:05 |
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| GAN900 | *mainstream | 07:05 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: Freerunner blahah | 07:05 |
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| Flandry | nobody ever claimed iphone was open though :P | 07:05 |
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| GAN900 | and that isn't a piece of shit. | 07:05 |
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| Ave | it was open, and phone | 07:05 |
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| Ave | fine add parameters then! | 07:05 |
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| Flandry | lol | 07:05 |
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| eie | GAN900 open phone, how? | 07:05 |
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| GAN900 | Freerunner can't even manage to run Mer decently. ;) | 07:06 |
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| AakashPatel | the only TRUE open phone | 07:06 |
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| AakashPatel | is the openmoko devices lol | 07:06 |
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| GAN900 | eie, it's the first phone you can pretty much do whatever you want with without having to fight for the ability to do so. | 07:06 |
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| raz955 | N900 cheap features Nokia suck , only N95 8GB | 07:06 |
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| AakashPatel | raz955: dont make me tell you again | 07:07 |
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| microlith | AakashPatel: shh! | 07:07 |
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| Myrtti | raz955: you're a broken record | 07:07 |
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| * AakashPatel hits himself in the face | 07:07 |
| Flandry | augh wtf are there no maemo maintainers in the control file | 07:08 |
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| raz955 | n900 its like shit , two of them suck HAHAH | 07:08 |
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| eie | GAN900 like what things? | 07:08 |
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| AakashPatel | Is there no op's here? | 07:08 |
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| AakashPatel | s/Is/Are/ | 07:08 |
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| infobot | AakashPatel meant: Are there no op's here? | 07:08 |
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| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o GAN900 | 07:08 |
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| *** GAN900 sets mode: +b raz955!*@* | 07:09 |
| AakashPatel | LOL | 07:09 |
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| AakashPatel | Thank you GAN900 :D | 07:09 |
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| *** GAN900 sets mode: -o GAN900 | 07:09 |
| AakashPatel | Now you're bannin people "on the fly" | 07:09 |
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| GAN900 | I think that's the first IRC ban from an N900 | 07:09 |
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| * AakashPatel had to say that | 07:09 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 07:09 |
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| Flandry | hey, it's one for the history books | 07:10 |
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| AakashPatel | Write it down! | 07:10 |
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| GAN900 | We're making history here, people! ;) | 07:10 |
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| * microlith cheers? | 07:10 |
| GAN900 | eie, like boot Debian. | 07:10 |
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| Ave | first, just now? that is historic | 07:10 |
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| cehteh | .. and emacs on a smartphone? :) | 07:10 |
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| Ave | but he left by his own hand .. | 07:11 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, ah, damn, I have join/part spam turned off here. ;) | 07:11 |
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| * microlith ponders ruby-based mobile applications | 07:11 |
| Ave | [07:09] -!- mode/#maemo [+o GAN900] by ChanServ | 07:11 |
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| Ave | [07:09] -!- raz955 [n=raz955@77.126.66.106] has left #maemo [] | 07:11 |
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| Ave | pretty funny .. | 07:11 |
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| Ave | "eep" | 07:11 |
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| AakashPatel | I say we DDoS him to death | 07:12 |
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| microlith | no | 07:12 |
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| AakashPatel | >.< | 07:12 |
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| eie | GAN900 someone said its like a laptop, wonder if its really is | 07:12 |
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| Ave | you may do so, but only using n900's | 07:12 |
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| AakashPatel | I'm nto gonna waste my time microlith dont worry haha | 07:12 |
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| Ave | it has the oompah! | 07:12 |
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| * GAN900 still has pie from Thanksgiving to finish. | 07:13 |
| GAN900 | What a burden. | 07:13 |
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| * AakashPatel didnt get any pie | 07:13 |
| AakashPatel | email me some | 07:13 |
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| Macer | ugh | 07:13 |
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| GAN900 | eie, Maemo devices have completely replaced laptops for me. | 07:13 |
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| Macer | about time | 07:13 |
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| GAN900 | No! | 07:13 |
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| * GAN900 hoards. | 07:13 |
| Macer | i think i'm just about done with this friggin zimbra server | 07:13 |
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| Macer | and now it's runnign in debian instead of centos | 07:14 |
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| Macer | which i honestly don't know if that's a good or bad thing :) | 07:14 |
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| Flandry | lol SDL sets a max of 32 joysticks | 07:14 |
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| cehteh | ohnoes, no multiplayer pong | 07:15 |
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| Ave | only if multi <= 32 | 07:15 |
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| Ave | or actually >= | 07:15 |
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| cehteh | massive multiplayer pong :) | 07:15 |
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| Flandry | massive multiplayer online pong | 07:15 |
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| Ave | the next big thing, maybe | 07:15 |
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| Ave | mmorpg is getting so old | 07:16 |
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| Flandry | mmoping the world | 07:16 |
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| Ave | retrogaming is the shit | 07:16 |
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| AakashPatel | fuck yeah | 07:16 |
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| Ave | enjoy the new communal pong in train, aeroplane, anywhere! | 07:16 |
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| cehteh | hey nethack for n900? | 07:16 |
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| Ave | certainly I'd say | 07:16 |
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| Ave | if you have terminal and curses, you are there | 07:17 |
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| Macer | hey | 07:17 |
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| Ave | even 810 oughta have it .. | 07:17 |
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| cehteh | not in the repo yet | 07:17 |
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| Macer | don't knock pong | 07:17 |
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| Macer | :) | 07:17 |
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| eie | GAN900 if it wasnt for the financial crisis I think it would have been sold for much more than $800 lol | 07:17 |
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| Ave | my first videogame experience was pong, dammit | 07:17 |
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| eie | wonder if prices will drop soon | 07:17 |
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| AakashPatel | 800 for an n900??? | 07:17 |
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| Macer | heh | 07:17 |
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| * AakashPatel wouldnt go that high | 07:17 |
| Macer | n810 wimax! | 07:17 |
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| eie | AakashPatel yes in here | 07:17 |
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| Macer | for $1000 | 07:17 |
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| AakashPatel | where is here | 07:17 |
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| Macer | ! | 07:17 |
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| AakashPatel | Macer: Now thats a bargain! | 07:18 |
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| Macer | hehe | 07:18 |
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| Macer | they are actually pretty expensive | 07:18 |
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| eie | AakashPatel dubai | 07:18 |
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| Macer | i guess everybody in baltimore is buying them.. or wherever the city is that actually has it | 07:18 |
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| AakashPatel | Ah | 07:18 |
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| Macer | is that 800 indian? | 07:18 |
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| eie | 800 usd | 07:19 |
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| Macer | wow in dubai? | 07:19 |
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| Macer | i didn't think people had that much american money | 07:19 |
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| eie | 816 to be exact | 07:19 |
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| AakashPatel | Macer: haha | 07:19 |
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| Macer | 816 in dubai .. that would be like someone who owns half the country | 07:19 |
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| eie | Macer their currency is fixed to american dollar | 07:19 |
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| AakashPatel | Macer: Oh, my parents told me about castes the other day | 07:20 |
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| AakashPatel | haha | 07:20 |
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| Macer | AakashPatel: hahahaha! | 07:20 |
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| Macer | goddamn americanized indians | 07:20 |
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| Macer | eie: how is that even possible? | 07:20 |
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| AakashPatel | lololol | 07:20 |
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| Macer | like 8923479347839749247938274 indian = $1? | 07:20 |
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| eie | Macer lots of virtue shops here, many people got that phone here lol | 07:21 |
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| Macer | then tomorrow it's 28934728937893749823789789343892478923723847 | 07:21 |
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| AakashPatel | Indian? | 07:21 |
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| AakashPatel | wtf is taht | 07:21 |
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| AakashPatel | Rs. ftw | 07:21 |
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| Macer | rubles? | 07:21 |
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| eie | Macer 800 sounds like nothing | 07:21 |
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| Macer | or something? | 07:21 |
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| AakashPatel | Rupees | 07:21 |
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| Macer | oh | 07:21 |
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| Macer | seriously? | 07:21 |
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| Ave | seriously | 07:21 |
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| AakashPatel | yea | 07:21 |
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| Macer | weren't they called rupees in zelda? :) | 07:21 |
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| AakashPatel | LOL | 07:21 |
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| AakashPatel | I believe so | 07:22 |
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| Ave | you guys are hilarious, I'm offended | 07:22 |
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| Ave | not being indian and all | 07:22 |
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| AakashPatel | :D | 07:22 |
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| Macer | i've seen india. it is NOT a very nice place | 07:22 |
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| AakashPatel | You got aht right | 07:22 |
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| Macer | like the worst of the worst of the worst ghetto here in chicago... | 07:22 |
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| AakashPatel | Macer: Unless you're a Patel ;) | 07:22 |
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| Macer | is nothing compared to a semi bad place in india | 07:22 |
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| Macer | there is human feces on the streets! | 07:23 |
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| AakashPatel | That's if youre low class :P | 07:23 |
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| Ave | nice way to get some perspective into things huh | 07:23 |
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| Ave | "man my n900 has too little memory" | 07:23 |
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| Ave | these people dont have shoes, or water, or house fwiw, yay | 07:23 |
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| Macer | women in india try to sell their babies and when they can't they just throw them into the street and walk away | 07:23 |
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| GAN900 | Macer, Dubai is a fuckload richer than wherever you're living. | 07:23 |
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| eie | Macer the biggest *cough* democracy *cough* in the world they say 1.3 billion | 07:23 |
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| Flandry | yup | 07:23 |
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| Macer | GAN900: probably now :) chicago is kind of hurting for money heh | 07:24 |
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| AakashPatel | Macer: That's if you're poor :P | 07:24 |
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| eie | Macer though half the population lives on streets | 07:24 |
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| AakashPatel | Like *poor* | 07:24 |
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| GAN900 | Macer, Dubai is where they build artificial islands. | 07:24 |
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| AakashPatel | Yeah haa | 07:24 |
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| AakashPatel | Dubai is rich as fuck | 07:24 |
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| Macer | lies! | 07:25 |
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| Macer | :) | 07:25 |
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| AakashPatel | Lol | 07:25 |
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| eie | dubai has 80 USD billionS debt lol | 07:25 |
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| GAN900 | eie, that's nothin' | 07:25 |
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| Macer | eie: US has 12Trillion USD debt :) | 07:25 |
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| Ave | dubai would be one of the top filthy rich places | 07:25 |
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| Ave | and man they are screwed when things go south | 07:25 |
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| Macer | filthy is a good word to describe it | 07:25 |
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| Ave | they have NO infrastructure for anything whatsoever | 07:25 |
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| Ave | the place is gonna be deserted | 07:26 |
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| Flandry | they've got some pretty fantastic desal plants | 07:26 |
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| eie | GAN900 US is screwed anyways and its big, cant compare it to a small city | 07:26 |
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| AakashPatel | Dubai? | 07:26 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: the place is gonna be deserted | 07:26 |
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| Flandry | and that new super-high tech city | 07:26 |
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| Flandry | if the oil ran out tomorrow they'd be hurting, but then so would everyone else | 07:27 |
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| * Macer is reminded of the indian enron power plant | 07:27 |
| Macer | so how's that thing working out? | 07:27 |
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| Macer | :) | 07:27 |
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| AakashPatel | I never watched taht movie lol | 07:27 |
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| Ave | theres no food, water, anything, they just fly everything in, not self sustainable at all | 07:27 |
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| AakashPatel | Macer: i got 10 mins in and fell asleep | 07:27 |
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| AakashPatel | haa | 07:27 |
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| Ave | if things go up shit creek, the rich just move away .. | 07:27 |
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| Macer | AakashPatel: haha | 07:28 |
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| Macer | that movie is awesome | 07:28 |
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| Macer | :) | 07:28 |
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| Macer | you have to get into the 20th minute to really watch the bastards at work | 07:28 |
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| Flandry | not really sure how that's different than anywhere else though | 07:28 |
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| Macer | we have a weather man in chicago named tom skilling | 07:28 |
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| Macer | i never realized that was jeff skillling's brother | 07:28 |
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| Macer | the guy who ran enron into the ground | 07:28 |
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| eie | Ave its like expecting andora to manufacture planes | 07:29 |
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| Ave | sorry, dont get that :\ | 07:29 |
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| Ave | you mean the desert environment | 07:30 |
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| Ave | it is extremely futile | 07:30 |
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| *** AakashPatel is now known as BitchSlappin | 07:30 |
| *** BitchSlappin is now known as AakashPatel | 07:30 |
| Ave | yet they waste lots of water into making some green areas flourish | 07:30 |
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| eie | Ave its a small city with a small population not even a million | 07:30 |
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| Ave | yeah, thats small | 07:31 |
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| Ave | compared to what :D | 07:31 |
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| Flandry | ah that's nothing. You ever drive around southern CA? | 07:31 |
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| eie | Ave wouldnt expect it to make big stuff or be totally independent | 07:31 |
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| Flandry | they're wasting water on lawns like you wouldn't believe | 07:31 |
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| Ave | we are pretty independent, except for oil (finland, ~5e6 people) | 07:31 |
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| AakashPatel | Is there a tethering app for maemo? | 07:31 |
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| AakashPatel | over wifi? | 07:32 |
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| AakashPatel | or bluetooth | 07:32 |
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| Ave | Flandry: sure but usa will never run out of fresh water, surely | 07:32 |
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| Flandry | not true | 07:32 |
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| Ave | elec maybe, but water, noooo | 07:32 |
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| eie | Ave finland is not a desert lol | 07:32 |
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| Ave | no, its cold and dark and a sad place | 07:32 |
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| eie | Ave and 5 million | 07:32 |
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| Flandry | just because energy is the popular topic | 07:32 |
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| Flandry | water is looming | 07:32 |
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| Ave | overpopulation is looming | 07:33 |
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| Flandry | but we are using it to make corn into ethanol | 07:33 |
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| Ave | and resource deficiency | 07:33 |
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| Ave | yeah this eco-bio-greenwash is something I just dont get | 07:33 |
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| Flandry | my research is water treatment oriented | 07:33 |
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| Ave | what the hell, put FOOD into car? basically | 07:33 |
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| Ave | no sense whatsoever | 07:33 |
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| Flandry | and very few people realize what an issue water is already | 07:33 |
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| eie | Ave they say once oil runs out the big deserts here will export energy | 07:33 |
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| eie | solar | 07:33 |
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| Ave | yeah suppose that'll happen | 07:34 |
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| Ave | the oil barons surely are investing into solar and other alternavite tech | 07:34 |
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| Flandry | exporting energy is a fairly losing proposition | 07:34 |
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| Flandry | unless it's free | 07:34 |
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| Ave | these days they even have solar panels that have efficiency =>1 | 07:35 |
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| eie | heard france is buying huge charged solar batteries from here | 07:35 |
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| Flandry | the transmission losses are why we don't use our deserts now for power | 07:35 |
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| eie | shipped to france | 07:35 |
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| Ave | maybe use some mad-ass tesla coils and low frequency transfer | 07:35 |
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| Flandry | france? | 07:35 |
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| Ave | and bigass antennas | 07:35 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: Thats what i'm talkin about1 | 07:36 |
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| Ave | see the TED talk about wireless power | 07:36 |
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| AakashPatel | Ingenuity ftw | 07:36 |
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| Flandry | over thousands of miles? | 07:36 |
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| Ave | its usable for short distances atleast | 07:36 |
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| Ave | well in theory .. | 07:36 |
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| Ave | but large wavelength requires big antennas .. | 07:36 |
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| eie | also germany invested in big solar projects in the sahara desert | 07:36 |
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| Flandry | and you think people will ever allow that... | 07:37 |
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| Flandry | they freak out over phone radiation ffs | 07:37 |
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| Ave | well those people are NUTS | 07:37 |
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| Ave | non ionizing radiation and all | 07:37 |
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| Flandry | and a significant voting population | 07:37 |
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| AakashPatel | lol so is taht radiation shit just buncha BS? | 07:37 |
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| Ave | little education wouldnt hurt | 07:37 |
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| Flandry | good luck | 07:37 |
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| * AakashPatel wonders if he can sleep with his phone 1in from his face | 07:37 |
| AakashPatel | w/o getting brain damage | 07:37 |
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| AakashPatel | >.< | 07:38 |
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| Flandry | geothermal | 07:38 |
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| Ave | the brain damage would come from the heating effects of the near field | 07:38 |
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| Ave | not radiation per se | 07:38 |
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| Flandry | yeah | 07:38 |
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| Ave | atleast according to current knowledge | 07:38 |
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| Flandry | how is that not radiation? | 07:38 |
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| AakashPatel | So...isnt taht radiation? lol | 07:38 |
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| Ave | its not ionizing radiation | 07:39 |
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| Flandry | i guess not in the "scary nuclear" sense | 07:39 |
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| Ave | thats what people SHOULD be worried of | 07:39 |
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| Flandry | it's all EM | 07:39 |
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| Ave | yeah | 07:39 |
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| Ave | hell, light is EM | 07:39 |
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| Ave | hooo I'm sscared! | 07:39 |
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| AakashPatel | Hah yeah | 07:39 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: IT BURNS | 07:39 |
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| AakashPatel | THE LIGHT | 07:39 |
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| Flandry | point is anyway you gotta do what people will accept | 07:39 |
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| Flandry | we've got a huge NIMBy problem with wind in the US | 07:40 |
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| Ave | well people are asses | 07:40 |
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| Flandry | and nuclear | 07:40 |
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| Ave | and when their asses are in need, they'll accept anything .. | 07:40 |
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| Flandry | which are both essential | 07:40 |
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| Flandry | power plants aren't built overnight | 07:40 |
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| Flandry | the lead time on nuclear plants is ridiculous | 07:41 |
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| Ave | I dont actually like wind, in theory its nice supplement, but to replace even one small reactor, you'd need so insane amount of propelleres that nobody wants them in their backyard making WOOSH WOOSH 24/7 | 07:41 |
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| Ave | thank you energy density of riched uranium .. | 07:41 |
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| Flandry | we've still got a bunch of basic research to do on geothermal, and the government keeps killing off those projects halfway | 07:42 |
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| Ave | why | 07:42 |
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| Ave | here geothermal is being used extensively for small housing now | 07:42 |
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| GAN900 | Ave, that's why you buld 'em out in the middle of nowhere. ;) | 07:42 |
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| Flandry | we don't have uranium reserves to go full nuclear unless we can get over the breeder reactor phobia | 07:42 |
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| Ave | low and passive energy houses | 07:42 |
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| Flandry | that's good | 07:42 |
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| Flandry | i'm talking geothermal electrical production | 07:42 |
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| Ave | and how do you get the power from middle of nowhere to civilization | 07:43 |
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| Flandry | you have to drill down deep and extract high quality heat | 07:43 |
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| GAN900 | I want fusion! | 07:43 |
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| Flandry | yeah don't we all | 07:43 |
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| Ave | I've been waiting for tokamat to deliver for some time now | 07:43 |
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| Ave | about to turn BLUE | 07:43 |
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| Flandry | better take a breath :D | 07:43 |
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| Ave | "it must be oil conspiracy" | 07:44 |
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| Ave | "once we hit peak oil they'll reveal 100% working fusion desings" | 07:44 |
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| Flandry | i don't think you have to look to conspiracy to explain it | 07:45 |
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| Flandry | stupidity will do :/ | 07:45 |
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| AakashPatel | omg did someone say reactor? | 07:45 |
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| Ave | nah, just basic greed | 07:45 |
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| rashed2020 | It's not efficient enough | 07:45 |
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| * AakashPatel has reactor phobia | 07:45 |
| Ave | AakashPatel: psst, you are living on one | 07:45 |
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| Ave | and near one too | 07:45 |
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| Flandry | haha | 07:45 |
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| Ave | earth core and sun, dammit | 07:45 |
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| AakashPatel | hehehe | 07:45 |
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| Ave | all amok! | 07:45 |
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| rashed2020 | AakashPatel: You noob. planet earth is a react0r! | 07:45 |
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| AakashPatel | Owow youre smart | 07:46 |
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| rashed2020 | And arrogant. | 07:46 |
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| Flandry | yeah i subtitled my minor thesis: Geothermal, the safest, cleanest nuclear power source | 07:46 |
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| AakashPatel | LOL | 07:46 |
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| AakashPatel | Nice! | 07:46 |
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| rashed2020 | I subtitled my thesis "Why random people who sound like they know what they're talking about rarely do" | 07:46 |
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| Flandry | sociology? | 07:46 |
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| Ave | I propose you all see the movie "The Core", not only is it the CRAPPIEST MOVIE I've ever seen, it at the same time neatly demosntrates the dangers of messing with earth core | 07:47 |
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| rashed2020 | A bit. More Maemo than anything else though. | 07:47 |
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| Flandry | oh man | 07:47 |
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| Flandry | i winced at just the previews | 07:47 |
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| Ave | 2012 was entertaining tho! | 07:47 |
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| GAN900 | lol | 07:47 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: I thought it was shit | 07:47 |
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| AakashPatel | haha | 07:47 |
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| Flandry | it's like some evil spawn of SyFy was released into the wild | 07:47 |
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| * AakashPatel wasted 8 bucks on taht | 07:47 |
| Ave | I've promised to myself that I'll never see another turd by bay/emmerich/bruckheimer | 07:47 |
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| Ave | but I got free tickets, so meh .. | 07:48 |
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| AakashPatel | oh | 07:48 |
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| Flandry | instead of being confined to the channel itself | 07:48 |
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| AakashPatel | then its okay | 07:48 |
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| AakashPatel | lol | 07:48 |
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| rashed2020 | 2012 was crap. How scientifically inaccurate was THAT movie. | 07:48 |
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| Ave | very! | 07:48 |
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| Ave | but did they blow up shit! | 07:48 |
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| AakashPatel | They did? | 07:48 |
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| GAN900 | I saw the new Nightmare on Elm St trailer before the 2012 one | 07:48 |
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| Ave | I would've killed the cusack character tho | 07:48 |
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| Ave | and that fucking DOG | 07:48 |
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| GAN900 | I swear they switched the produce credits. | 07:48 |
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| Ave | argh.. | 07:48 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: AND THE HOT CHICK | 07:48 |
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| AakashPatel | ]:P | 07:48 |
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| Flandry | oh | 07:48 |
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| AakashPatel | wah | 07:48 |
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| Ave | there was one? | 07:49 |
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| AakashPatel | that was cool haha | 07:49 |
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| Flandry | who was the hot chick? | 07:49 |
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| AakashPatel | that other blondie | 07:49 |
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| AakashPatel | with the dog | 07:49 |
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| AakashPatel | paris hilton almsot haha | 07:49 |
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| Ave | oh yeah the rooskie | 07:49 |
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| Flandry | ick | 07:49 |
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| Ave | but didnt she die, drown .. | 07:49 |
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| Ave | anyways | 07:49 |
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| AakashPatel | eh | 07:49 |
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| AakashPatel | ANYWAYS GOTTA LOVE THAT MAEMO, AY CHUCK? | 07:49 |
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| Ave | the movie had few nice things in it, like the ark idea, I always assumed some space ships .. | 07:49 |
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| AakashPatel | Yeah | 07:50 |
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| AakashPatel | That part was pretty cool | 07:50 |
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| Ave | and making the chinese do it, that was ingenious | 07:50 |
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| Ave | in reality too, they have the most resources .. | 07:50 |
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| AakashPatel | Them chinese! | 07:50 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: taht was probably the only fictional part haha | 07:50 |
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| TommyBres | Ave: resources = people + land, so sure | 07:50 |
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| Ave | and COAL | 07:50 |
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| rashed2020 | Absolutely. The level of research that has gone into that production to closely mimic real life tendencies of manufacturing is abosolutely flabbergasting. | 07:51 |
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| TommyBres | coal is overrated | 07:51 |
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| TommyBres | oil is underrated | 07:51 |
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| Ave | co2 ftw | 07:51 |
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| TommyBres | lol | 07:51 |
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| AakashPatel | o2 | 07:51 |
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| AakashPatel | thats ftw | 07:51 |
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| TommyBres | percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere? | 07:51 |
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| * AakashPatel blows up the o2 tank | 07:51 |
| TommyBres | 0.03% | 07:51 |
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| Ave | actually I want oil to diminish so we'd get rid of cheap plastic crap | 07:51 |
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| TommyBres | global warming _my ass_ | 07:51 |
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| Ave | I want more metal and wood, dammit | 07:51 |
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| Flandry | lol | 07:52 |
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| rashed2020 | Ave: How do you get your Amazon packages? | 07:52 |
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| TommyBres | Ave: say goodbye to your LCD screen, you can't make that out of metal or wood | 07:52 |
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| TommyBres | unless you want every screen in the universe to be glass | 07:52 |
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| Flandry | or oled | 07:52 |
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| Ave | then its back to flintstones methods | 07:52 |
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| rashed2020 | And you'd live in a world like that? | 07:52 |
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| Flandry | airport sign | 07:52 |
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| Ave | actually the problems with rare earth metals is gonna hit is sooner than oil | 07:52 |
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| Ave | semiconductur business is gonna get hurt | 07:52 |
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| AakashPatel | diamonds :0 | 07:52 |
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| TommyBres | i'm a semiconductor | 07:53 |
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| rashed2020 | They'll be making that shit in labs in no time. | 07:53 |
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| rashed2020 | I read it in an article that I'm fully preaching atm. | 07:53 |
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| Flandry | rare earth metals? | 07:53 |
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| * AakashPatel buys a $100K intel p5 | 07:53 |
| Flandry | transmutation ftw now eh | 07:53 |
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| Ave | gallium, arsenium, etc | 07:53 |
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| TommyBres | rashed2020: remember, once you've read it from a newspaper or respected magazine, it's your own knowledge and you can preach it like you have a PhD in the subject | 07:53 |
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| AakashPatel | lolll | 07:53 |
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| rashed2020 | TommyBres: Please keep in mind that doing so is only acceptable in certain mediums and not others. | 07:54 |
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| Ave | I'll be dead before any of this shit happens, so for now I'm getting ALL THE TOYS I CAN | 07:54 |
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| Ave | remember kids, the one with the most toys wins | 07:54 |
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| AakashPatel | LOL | 07:54 |
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| * AakashPatel writes that down for future reference | 07:54 |
| TommyBres | rashed2020: IRC is included in those medium | 07:54 |
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| TommyBres | s | 07:54 |
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| rashed2020 | Indeed it is, friend. | 07:54 |
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| Flandry | some concern about limited lithium supply too while we're on the subject | 07:54 |
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| rashed2020 | Screw lithium. That's the only reason we're stuck with crappy batteries. | 07:55 |
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| Ave | stop press: earth resources are limited | 07:55 |
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| TommyBres | Ave: i'll buy Tyko and own your ass in plastics possessions | 07:55 |
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| Ave | who knew? | 07:55 |
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| AakashPatel | Where does the worlds lithium primarily come from? | 07:55 |
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| TommyBres | FISHER PRICE? YOU'RE MINE! | 07:55 |
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| Flandry | you'd think at element number 3 we'd have a ton around | 07:55 |
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| rashed2020 | lol | 07:55 |
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| Flandry | bolivia | 07:55 |
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| Flandry | has 1/2 world reserves | 07:55 |
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| AakashPatel | I see | 07:55 |
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| Flandry | the saudi arabia of lithium | 07:55 |
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| TommyBres | i think i just pooped out some lithium | 07:55 |
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| AakashPatel | LETS DIG 'ER UP | 07:55 |
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| TommyBres | should i dig it out for $? | 07:55 |
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| Ave | well we still have antarctica and siberia up for grabs! | 07:55 |
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| Ave | no worries | 07:55 |
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| Ave | once they melt, its gonna be a par-tay | 07:56 |
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| Flandry | but apparently there are no processes that produce lithium in stars | 07:56 |
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| rashed2020 | Siberia is motherland property. | 07:56 |
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| AakashPatel | Yeah, lets go live there | 07:56 |
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| Flandry | it actually has been decreasing in abundance since the big bang | 07:56 |
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| AakashPatel | rashed2020: Pack my bags | 07:56 |
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| TommyBres | Ave: are you a geologist? | 07:56 |
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| Ave | I'm an ASS | 07:56 |
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| AakashPatel | Flandry: Li has? | 07:56 |
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| TommyBres | oh okay | 07:56 |
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| Flandry | yeah | 07:56 |
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| rashed2020 | AakashPatel: Sorry, don't know how. Haven't read any articles on bag packing. | 07:56 |
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| TommyBres | is your major geology? | 07:56 |
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| Ave | no, I'm EE/CS | 07:57 |
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| AakashPatel | whats ASS | 07:57 |
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| AakashPatel | lol | 07:57 |
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| Flandry | lol | 07:57 |
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| Ave | but I've been reading about antarctica lately :D | 07:57 |
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| TommyBres | Ave: oh, i see... you talk like you're a geologist | 07:57 |
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| rashed2020 | In magazines? | 07:57 |
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| Ave | no, just an ass | 07:57 |
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| AakashPatel | Lol | 07:57 |
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| AakashPatel | Oka | 07:57 |
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| Flandry | i take it as proof God has a sense of humor | 07:57 |
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| AakashPatel | Lol | 07:57 |
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| TommyBres | well i was just curious if you knew these things based on a good background of related education or if you read an article in the new york times science section and decided to spew someone else's ideas on your own soapbox | 07:57 |
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| TommyBres | now that i know it's the latter, i'll leave that topic alone | 07:58 |
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| AakashPatel | ouch | 07:58 |
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| Ave | that makes panda sad :( | 07:58 |
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| Ave | I didnt know we were SERIOUS here | 07:58 |
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| EugeneKay | On the contrary. Pandas are tasty | 07:58 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: THE INTERNETS ARE A SERIOUS PLACE | 07:58 |
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| Flandry | you have an element that by all appearances should be THE perfect battery, and then it turns out to be relatively rare | 07:58 |
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| rashed2020 | Panda's consume more than 99% of the world's Bamboo resources. | 07:58 |
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| Ave | I hear pands are actually unpalatable | 07:58 |
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| TommyBres | i think you're the only one on IRC that doesn't know the internet is serious business | 07:58 |
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| EugeneKay | You've never tried them with Soy Sauce | 07:59 |
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| Ave | that must be it | 07:59 |
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| Flandry | eww | 07:59 |
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| TommyBres | Ave: you read that in a Zoology article? | 07:59 |
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| rashed2020 | lol | 07:59 |
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| Ave | I was wondering about how the pandas taste, and that in china THEY MUST also eat them | 07:59 |
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| Ave | just must | 07:59 |
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| rashed2020 | Pandas with Soy Sauce <3 | 07:59 |
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| TommyBres | china eats dogs, why not pandas | 07:59 |
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| TommyBres | they eat kangaroos in australia | 07:59 |
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| GAN900 | I like it when advertisers don't realize that Adult Swim isn't Cartoon Network. | 07:59 |
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| Ave | endangared species, pish | 07:59 |
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| Flandry | it's a wonder they're not extinct eh | 07:59 |
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| AakashPatel | GAN900: haha | 08:00 |
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| Flandry | do they eat hedgehogs in England? | 08:00 |
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| rashed2020 | Probably. Why not? | 08:00 |
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| TommyBres | no, just hydrochloric acid judging by their teeth | 08:00 |
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| Flandry | they're cool | 08:00 |
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| Flandry | ouch | 08:00 |
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| rashed2020 | Only when they're blue. | 08:00 |
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| rashed2020 | And run really fast. | 08:00 |
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| Ave | man tommy is on a roll | 08:00 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: Lol | 08:01 |
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| TommyBres | i know right, if i didn't know better i'd say i'm trolling | 08:01 |
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| Flandry | we're all trolling | 08:01 |
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| Flandry | i should be asleep | 08:01 |
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| AakashPatel | We are a community of trolls | 08:01 |
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| AakashPatel | Flandry: as half of us here lol | 08:01 |
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| Ave | I'm not a troll even tho I smell like one | 08:01 |
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| Flandry | or trying to wrap my head around latinga's code | 08:01 |
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| TommyBres | if this is the maemo community, it's going nowhere but down | 08:01 |
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| *** auenf has joined #maemo | 08:01 |
| Ave | that said, a shower would be nice | 08:01 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: what do i smell like? | 08:01 |
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| TommyBres | instead of "Internet" the shortcut is gonna be changed to "intarwebz" | 08:01 |
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| Ave | ass | 08:01 |
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| EugeneKay | SUGAR WE'RE GOING DOWN DOWN DOWN | 08:01 |
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| AakashPatel | YES | 08:01 |
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| Flandry | curry | 08:01 |
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| AakashPatel | not troll! | 08:01 |
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| rashed2020 | You need some Sans. | 08:01 |
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| AakashPatel | LOLOL | 08:01 |
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| AakashPatel | Flandry: haha | 08:01 |
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| Ave | teh inter tubes are full | 08:02 |
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| TommyBres | CURRY | 08:02 |
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| TommyBres | LMFAO | 08:02 |
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| AakashPatel | haha | 08:02 |
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| * TommyBres adds Flandry to my friends list | 08:02 |
| Flandry | yay a friend | 08:02 |
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| AakashPatel | Flandry: that makes...2 :0 | 08:02 |
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| Ave | great, now get a room .. | 08:02 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: ... | 08:02 |
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| AakashPatel | You dont get any huggles today | 08:03 |
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| EugeneKay | This channel ain't notihng. | 08:03 |
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| Ave | oh what the hell, just do it right here | 08:03 |
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| EugeneKay | For a great time(with a corpse), visit the #necrolounge | 08:03 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: rofl | 08:03 |
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| rashed2020 | Ave: SOME friends don't put out :( | 08:03 |
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| AakashPatel | EugeneKay: is there actual people there now? | 08:03 |
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| * TommyBres grabs 5 hot sluts from craigslist | 08:03 |
| TommyBres | Flandry: we're gonna do them right here | 08:03 |
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| EugeneKay | at least 3 regulars | 08:03 |
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| v2px | wait.. is this #maemo? | 08:03 |
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| Flandry | lol | 08:03 |
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| AakashPatel | hahaha | 08:03 |
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| EugeneKay | No | 08:03 |
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| EugeneKay | This is #randomshit | 08:03 |
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| AakashPatel | v2px: if you havea question, ask ;) | 08:03 |
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| AakashPatel | other than that | 08:03 |
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| TommyBres | v2px: nah, it's actually #4chan | 08:03 |
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| AakashPatel | its random | 08:03 |
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| Flandry | it's been all downhill since that guy got banned | 08:04 |
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| TommyBres | i wish i were freenode staff, i'd make #maemo forward to #4chan | 08:04 |
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| AakashPatel | Flandry: Hmm you make a very good point | 08:04 |
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| rashed2020 | What guy? | 08:04 |
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| EugeneKay | I know a staph | 08:04 |
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| AakashPatel | earlier | 08:04 |
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| rashed2020 | For what? | 08:04 |
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| AakashPatel | trolling | 08:04 |
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| TommyBres | EugeneKay: there's a staffer that hangs out in offtopic | 08:04 |
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| Flandry | escaping from T.M.O | 08:04 |
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| rashed2020 | Trolling mhile ontoxicated? | 08:04 |
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| AakashPatel | lmao | 08:05 |
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| AakashPatel | hahah | 08:05 |
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| Ave | Too Much Onanism | 08:05 |
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| Ave | obviously | 08:05 |
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| Flandry | mmm | 08:05 |
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| TommyBres | okay i'm back to #android-offtopic, later noobs with a shitty linux-only SDK | 08:05 |
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| AakashPatel | o.o | 08:05 |
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| rashed2020 | I'm gonna pretend I didn't read that thing about onanism. | 08:05 |
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| EugeneKay | Does listening to Linkin Park make me gay? | 08:05 |
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| TommyBres | yes | 08:05 |
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| rashed2020 | Cuz now that's stored in my search history forever. | 08:05 |
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| AakashPatel | EugeneKay: quite | 08:05 |
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| AakashPatel | Flandry: That was interesting | 08:06 |
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| Ave | right, calm down everyone, we must save the worls, for pete's sake | 08:06 |
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| Ave | I'll start by taking a shower and some oatmeal | 08:06 |
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| Flandry | lol well i think i've done enough damage around here | 08:07 |
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| AakashPatel | Ave: evasive manure! | 08:07 |
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| AakashPatel | o.o | 08:07 |
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| rashed2020 | WORL (660 AM) is a radio station broadcasting a news talk format. Licensed to Altamonte Springs, Florida, USA, it serves the Orlando, Florida area | 08:07 |
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| * AakashPatel checks his spell check again | 08:07 |
| EugeneKay | Yeah. You'd hate to end up watching The Men Who Stare At Goatse by mistake | 08:08 |
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| EugeneKay | *cough* http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/men-who-stare-sfw.jpg | 08:08 |
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| * AakashPatel passes out | 08:08 |
| EugeneKay | It happens. | 08:09 |
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| rashed2020 | I don't know whether to laugh or cry. | 08:09 |
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| rashed2020 | Or not be surprised at all that you posted that. | 08:09 |
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| AakashPatel | Okay...back to maemo talk...maybe? | 08:11 |
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| rashed2020 | Does it work like a MiFi? | 08:14 |
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| luke-jr | I hate Google. | 08:15 |
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| AakashPatel | luke-jr: why so | 08:16 |
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| luke-jr | From pr61.iad07.net.google.com icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: Administratively prohibited | 08:16 |
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| luke-jr | wtf is with that crap? :p | 08:16 |
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| luke-jr | I need a new search engine now | 08:16 |
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| v2px | yauba.com! | 08:17 |
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| AakashPatel | BINGGG | 08:17 |
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| Klowner | that chicken one | 08:17 |
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| luke-jr | v2px: no AAAA record for that one at all? | 08:17 |
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| * arachnist got around the bug #2051, at last :> | 08:17 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2051 Unable to connect to EAP PEAP MSCHAPV2 without certificates | 08:17 |
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| v2px | oh, hmm | 08:17 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 08:17 |
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| luke-jr | links can access Google O.o | 08:17 |
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| Klowner | err duckduckgo.com | 08:18 |
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| Klowner | chicken != duck | 08:18 |
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| simula_ | yay! build-essential on my n900 | 08:23 |
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| microlith | nice | 08:24 |
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| AakashPatel | simula: compile somethign cool now | 08:24 |
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| AakashPatel | lol | 08:24 |
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| simula_ | heh | 08:25 |
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| AakashPatel | haha compile the linux kernal | 08:25 |
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| AakashPatel | tell us how long it takes | 08:25 |
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| AakashPatel | kernel* | 08:26 |
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| simula_ | there's a good chance i'm going to compile the qt sdk which will take longer | 08:26 |
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| AakashPatel | o.o | 08:26 |
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| * AakashPatel would compile that in sbox | 08:26 |
| AakashPatel | i say it will take a whole day | 08:26 |
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| simula_ | gcc 4.21 | 08:27 |
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| simula_ | 4.2.1 | 08:27 |
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| AakashPatel | haha this should be fun to watch | 08:27 |
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| AakashPatel | i wonder if the n900 can overheat | 08:28 |
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| AakashPatel | from constant high cpu usagte | 08:28 |
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| AakashPatel | usage | 08:28 |
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| simula_ | it's amazingly low wattage | 08:28 |
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| arachnist | how does one quit the openarena? | 08:29 |
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| Klowner | one does not quit openarena | 08:30 |
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| Klowner | (though 'quit' in the console may work) | 08:30 |
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| arachnist | that was my first thought | 08:30 |
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| Klowner | if there's a tilde key to press.. | 08:31 |
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| arachnist | exactly | 08:31 |
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| Klowner | or escape | 08:31 |
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| arachnist | which is also missing | 08:31 |
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| arachnist | oh | 08:33 |
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| Klowner | wrap foil around the device to destroy the internet connection | 08:33 |
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| arachnist | "FN + [,;]" == escape | 08:33 |
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| arachnist | Klowner: that would totally destroy the connection to localhost ;) | 08:33 |
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| Klowner | oh, darn | 08:34 |
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| Klowner | that'd take a lot of foil | 08:34 |
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| arachnist | but still, managed to get out | 08:34 |
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| AstralStorm | heh | 08:34 |
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| AstralStorm | I might buy n900 next year... or maybe even the next device once that's out | 08:35 |
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| arachnist | i could have just logged-in over ssh, but i don't know what's my ip in this network | 08:35 |
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| AstralStorm | now, I'd love it to be a tiny bit slimmer and instead larger | 08:35 |
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| Klowner | I might buy one if they take my money from me and ship it | 08:35 |
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| AstralStorm | (maybe with a bit larger battery) | 08:35 |
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| AstralStorm | Klowner: why wouldn't they? ;p | 08:35 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: it's not really as thick as it seems so from the photos | 08:35 |
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| Klowner | AstralStorm: amazon hasn't yet | 08:35 |
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| AstralStorm | arachnist: it's 20 mm | 08:36 |
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| AstralStorm | right? | 08:36 |
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| AstralStorm | or close | 08:36 |
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| arachnist | right. | 08:36 |
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| GAN900 | 18mm | 08:36 |
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| AstralStorm | that's thicker than n810 already | 08:36 |
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| AstralStorm | ;p | 08:36 |
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| AakashPatel | Amazon US is shipping to a few customers | 08:36 |
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| AakashPatel | already | 08:36 |
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| AstralStorm | which is not the king or queen of slimness | 08:36 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: most of the smartphones with keyboards are about that thick | 08:36 |
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| GAN900 | It's not that thick. | 08:36 |
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| AstralStorm | yup | 08:36 |
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| Klowner | AakashPatel: yeah some that pre-ordered back in october | 08:36 |
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| Klowner | I ordered on the 6th of this month | 08:37 |
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| AakashPatel | Oh :/ | 08:37 |
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| AstralStorm | the whole issue is that they made the screen and the device smaller for no real reason | 08:37 |
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| AakashPatel | im ordering tomorrow | 08:37 |
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| AstralStorm | heck, I can fit n810 + a slim phone in a pocket easily | 08:37 |
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| AakashPatel | So...it'll bea while | 08:37 |
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| arachnist | i preordered back in september | 08:37 |
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| AstralStorm | so n900 being smaller is not really any help ;p | 08:37 |
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| Klowner | AakashPatel: sounds like people are having good luck ordering directly from the nokia store | 08:37 |
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| AakashPatel | I'd rather save 150 bucks lol | 08:37 |
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| Klowner | yea | 08:38 |
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| arachnist | but that preorder was cancelled due to bank issues | 08:38 |
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| AstralStorm | heh | 08:38 |
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| Klowner | You can drop $600 in the toilet and still dry it off | 08:38 |
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| Klowner | in the form of an N900, not so much | 08:38 |
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| AakashPatel | Hah yeah | 08:38 |
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| AakashPatel | I can wait a few weeks :) | 08:38 |
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| * AakashPatel hopes he gets it before christmas | 08:39 |
| cehteh | hey the first users pay premium for being test bunnies and beta testers :P | 08:39 |
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| arachnist | Klowner: i ordered directly from the nokia store, but i'm not in the US | 08:39 |
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| Klowner | I *must* have it for my Holland trip, but that's in April | 08:39 |
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| AstralStorm | heh | 08:40 |
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| AstralStorm | I'm considering some android goodie instead though | 08:40 |
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| AstralStorm | to complement n810 functionality | 08:40 |
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| Klowner | I always wanted an N700, and then N800.. so | 08:41 |
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| Klowner | finally going for it | 08:41 |
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| AstralStorm | hehe | 08:41 |
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| cehteh | n910 ... | 08:41 |
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| AakashPatel | lol | 08:41 |
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| AstralStorm | n1k ;) | 08:42 |
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| cehteh | with compass AND microphone :P | 08:42 |
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| AstralStorm | microphone? there is one on n900 already | 08:43 |
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| AstralStorm | compass is in as well | 08:43 |
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| cehteh | well working one ... :) | 08:43 |
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| simula_ | we have a compass? | 08:43 |
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| AstralStorm | (but not sure how to access it) | 08:43 |
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| cehteh | no compass | 08:43 |
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| AstralStorm | yup, in the GPS chip | 08:43 |
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| AstralStorm | it's used for dead reckoning | 08:43 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: it might as well not be there, if it's like that | 08:43 |
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| cehteh | any reliable specs? | 08:43 |
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| AstralStorm | none. | 08:43 |
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| AstralStorm | ;p | 08:43 |
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| cehteh | so no compass | 08:43 |
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| simula_ | heh | 08:43 |
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| AstralStorm | arachnist: is the GPS ok? | 08:44 |
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| AstralStorm | or still borked | 08:44 |
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| AstralStorm | and slow | 08:44 |
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| cehteh | fast with internet connection borked without from what i hear | 08:44 |
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| AstralStorm | nah | 08:44 |
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| AstralStorm | AGPS doesn't count | 08:44 |
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| cehteh | take the sim card out and try to get a fix | 08:44 |
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| AstralStorm | so, it is still crummy | 08:45 |
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| AstralStorm | AGPS is not a solution, it's a workaround | 08:45 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: seems so | 08:45 |
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| AstralStorm | meh | 08:45 |
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| cehteh | people complain its not only slow but absolutely not working without agps | 08:45 |
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| AakashPatel | Who said they ordered from amazon also here | 08:45 |
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| AstralStorm | another reason to buy another phone and not n900 | 08:45 |
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| AakashPatel | a few mins ago | 08:45 |
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| cehteh | for me too | 08:45 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: i managed to get a lock in about 20s in the tram | 08:46 |
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| AstralStorm | for net browsing, n810 is adequate | 08:46 |
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| cehteh | i just keep my order an watch, but if thats not fixed i give it back | 08:46 |
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| AstralStorm | arachnist: not great, same as n810 with AGPS | 08:46 |
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| cehteh | arachnist: without sim? | 08:46 |
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| Klowner | AakashPatel: I did | 08:46 |
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| AstralStorm | with real GPS, you get 0s locks | 08:46 |
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| arachnist | cehteh: with | 08:46 |
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| AstralStorm | max 5s | 08:46 |
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| AakashPatel | Klowner: Does amazon get small shipments every day or something? | 08:46 |
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| AakashPatel | like 5 or something? haha | 08:46 |
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| cehteh | arachnist: yes thats known .. i want to know without | 08:46 |
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| Klowner | AakashPatel: I have no idea, seems like it | 08:46 |
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| AstralStorm | (for example, with a certain Sirf Star III bt one I tried) | 08:46 |
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| AstralStorm | (and Sirf aren't the fastest chips) | 08:47 |
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| ShadowJK_ | you dont get 0-5s with gps.. | 08:47 |
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| AstralStorm | sure you do | 08:47 |
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| AstralStorm | with AGPS | 08:47 |
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| ShadowJK_ | oh, sure | 08:47 |
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| AstralStorm | and n810 and apparently n900 can't do that | 08:47 |
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| AstralStorm | even with AGPS | 08:47 |
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| cehteh | well 1-2 minutes without net would be ok for me too | 08:47 |
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| AstralStorm | this means the chip is suck | 08:47 |
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| ShadowJK_ | n810 does | 08:47 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: you know, tram is a big metal box moving at some speed that's faster than you can run | 08:47 |
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| cehteh | but no fix at all is unacceptable | 08:47 |
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| AstralStorm | arachnist: I know, that doesn't matter | 08:47 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: so i wouldn't say that 20s lock is a bad thing | 08:47 |
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| AstralStorm | it is | 08:48 |
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| AstralStorm | tram is comparable to a car | 08:48 |
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| cehteh | arachnist: still talking about without net/sim .. not agps | 08:48 |
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| AstralStorm | agps doesn't need constant update | 08:48 |
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| AstralStorm | ephemeris info + right software means still fast fixes for some time | 08:48 |
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| AstralStorm | esp. if you use the gps often | 08:49 |
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| cehteh | well if you dont have net then you dont care if it needs only one update or constant | 08:49 |
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| AstralStorm | good GPS grabs ephemeris from clean state in about 30-60s depending on conditions and luck | 08:49 |
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| cehteh | my usecase is to leave the plane somewhere far away, turn it on and be able to navigate | 08:49 |
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| AstralStorm | well, n810 gets 90s on good conditions | 08:49 |
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| ShadowJK_ | I would guess that on n900 it only ffetches agps data when you request a fix. on n810 there's daemon fetching it regulary | 08:49 |
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| cehteh | without net or expensive data roaming | 08:50 |
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| AstralStorm | and on bad... usually can't lock | 08:50 |
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| AstralStorm | cehteh: ... really, that is but some few KB of data | 08:50 |
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| AstralStorm | shouldn't be expensive | 08:50 |
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| AstralStorm | even w/o a data plan | 08:50 |
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| AstralStorm | it's only transferred on grabbing the first fix if the AGPS data is too old | 08:50 |
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| cehteh | AstralStorm: even then ... i might have no peering there or no network altogether | 08:50 |
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| AstralStorm | again | 08:51 |
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| cehteh | there are still areas in the world where you dont have network you know | 08:51 |
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| AstralStorm | "the data is too old" means some many hours | 08:51 |
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| AstralStorm | and you don't technically need it, yes | 08:51 |
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| cehteh | standalone gps devices can handle this | 08:51 |
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| AstralStorm | yup | 08:51 |
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| ShadowJK_ | the biggest problem is probably apps that close/reopen the gps all the time, and user covering gps receiver or moving it around so it never gets a continous view of same sector of sky :) | 08:52 |
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| AstralStorm | because they have non-sucky chips | 08:52 |
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| cehteh | even turned off for a few days | 08:52 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: close/open is simple, ephemeris data is saved | 08:52 |
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| AstralStorm | user covering gps receiver just spells "crummy" all over it | 08:52 |
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| AakashPatel | ermm | 08:52 |
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| AakashPatel | i cant make up my mind | 08:52 |
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| AstralStorm | it shouldn't even really cause a problem | 08:52 |
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| AakashPatel | order from amazon | 08:52 |
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| AakashPatel | or nokia | 08:52 |
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| AstralStorm | AakashPatel: roll 1k6, divide by 3 rounding up | 08:53 |
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| AstralStorm | ;) | 08:53 |
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| AakashPatel | o.o | 08:53 |
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| AakashPatel | haha | 08:53 |
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| AakashPatel | HOLY SHIT | 08:53 |
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| AakashPatel | pRICE DROP | 08:53 |
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| AakashPatel | http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetail_10500_10101_-1_10000367 | 08:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why should amn app | 08:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | constatntly close/reopen GPS? | 08:53 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: because GPS sucks quite a bit power | 08:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nonsense | 08:54 |
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| AstralStorm | sure it does | 08:54 |
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| AakashPatel | okay | 08:54 |
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| AakashPatel | im going from amazon | 08:54 |
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| AstralStorm | measure it | 08:54 |
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| AakashPatel | :D | 08:54 |
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| AakashPatel | ermmm | 08:54 |
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| AakashPatel | nokia** | 08:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you won't help it with close/reopen | 08:54 |
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| AstralStorm | but it's not constantly | 08:54 |
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| AstralStorm | it means that when you close the app, the GPS is stopped | 08:54 |
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| AstralStorm | that's what ShadowJK_ meant by "constantly" | 08:54 |
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| AstralStorm | now, 30s hot fix time is bad. and it's my average with n810 | 08:55 |
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| cehteh | anyone knows what GPS chip is exactly used? | 08:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shutting down GPs makes sense *only* if you do it for >60sec | 08:55 |
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| AstralStorm | cehteh: the TI thingy | 08:55 |
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| cehteh | same as 810? | 08:55 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: ... stating the obvious | 08:55 |
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| ShadowJK_ | reports say ovi maps shutsdown and restarts the gps several times per minute, it never stays on long enough to download ephemeris from any satellites I'd guess | 08:55 |
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| AstralStorm | cehteh: likely not, but a close relative | 08:56 |
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| AstralStorm | cehteh: maybe a next version | 08:56 |
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| ShadowJK_ | 20s is average for me on n810 :) | 08:56 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: that would be real fail | 08:56 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: good weather conditions, yes | 08:56 |
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| AstralStorm | bad weather conditions, urban environment - much harder ;p | 08:56 |
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| AstralStorm | because the chip sucks | 08:57 |
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| * ShadowJK_ draws random squiggles at ovimaps, how the hell does this thing work anyway | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | +6dB on sats make a diff of 15sec to 3min on a GPS | 08:57 |
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| cehteh | AstralStorm: so its on a serial port | 08:57 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: true | 08:57 |
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| AstralStorm | cehteh: huh? no. | 08:57 |
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| AstralStorm | cehteh: it's internal bluetooth | 08:57 |
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| AstralStorm | wired one | 08:57 |
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| AstralStorm | maybe it's also available via SPI | 08:57 |
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| * AakashPatel is so happy price dropped right before he was gonna roder | 08:57 |
| AstralStorm | who know | 08:57 |
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| AstralStorm | s | 08:57 |
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| cehteh | i2c | 08:57 |
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| AstralStorm | no, there's no i2c in n8x0 | 08:57 |
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| AstralStorm | there's SPI | 08:58 |
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| cehteh | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4663&navigationId=12607&templateId=6123 | 08:58 |
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| cehteh | huh | 08:58 |
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| cehteh | 5300 is used on 810 | 08:58 |
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| AstralStorm | so? | 08:58 |
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| RST38h | moo? | 08:58 |
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| cehteh | uart or i2c ... :P | 08:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | muhaha, no I2C?? | 08:58 |
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| ShadowJK_ | the n810 gps chip is connected to serial, I think | 08:58 |
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| cehteh | on 810 | 08:59 |
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| cehteh | n900 has i2c | 08:59 |
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| ShadowJK_ | ah | 08:59 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: yes, to SPI. but I think the driver also simulates it being a bluetooth device or something | 08:59 |
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| AstralStorm | quite a bit of work | 08:59 |
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| cehteh | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12803&contentId=41247&DCMP=WTBU&HQS=Other+PR+navilink6 | 08:59 |
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| cehteh | looks like a match | 09:00 |
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| AstralStorm | not sure | 09:00 |
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| AstralStorm | and also, those chips are junk considering all GPS that is available | 09:00 |
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| AstralStorm | they're the worst ones | 09:00 |
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| cehteh | well bluetooth, FM rx/tx and agps | 09:00 |
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| AstralStorm | even old Sirf chips are better | 09:00 |
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| AstralStorm | cehteh: so? | 09:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GPS is via UART2 on N810 | 09:00 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: nice. | 09:01 |
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| AakashPatel | what the hell | 09:01 |
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| AakashPatel | you have to pay sales tax? | 09:01 |
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| ShadowJK_ | even if you put sirf in a phone, it wouldn't perform as good as standalone sirf :/ | 09:01 |
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| AakashPatel | on nokia US store? | 09:01 |
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| AstralStorm | AakashPatel: ... | 09:01 |
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| cehteh | err ... bluetooth is from braodcom | 09:01 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: not really that bad | 09:01 |
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| AakashPatel | lol seriously | 09:01 |
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| cehteh | https://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_N900 | 09:01 |
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| cehteh | at least on the preprod models | 09:02 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: maybe a bit due to extra noise | 09:02 |
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| AakashPatel | Do the N900 models from Nokia Store come with the $50 rebate? | 09:02 |
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| AstralStorm | with careful PCB design, you could reach the kind of quality you get from standalone | 09:02 |
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| AstralStorm | fortunately, GPRS frequencies are a bit away from GPS range | 09:03 |
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| cehteh | nokia could be little more open about the hardware they use .. we are not going to buy the parts and solder our own n900 | 09:03 |
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| AstralStorm | cehteh: they can't | 09:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PCB has nothing to do with it. It's just it has to be normal correct and a good antenna | 09:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and of course good chipset | 09:03 |
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| AstralStorm | Texas instruments has a stranglehold on this | 09:03 |
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| cehteh | and anyone who would do so wont resist to analyze an actual device | 09:03 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: sure it has | 09:03 |
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| AstralStorm | to minimize noise | 09:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aha | 09:04 |
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| AstralStorm | what you need is clean power, good and well placed antenna | 09:04 |
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| cehteh | what cant? they coud just tell which chip they use | 09:04 |
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| AstralStorm | cehteh: NDA I bet. | 09:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd subsummon that under "normal correct design" | 09:04 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: yup | 09:04 |
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| AstralStorm | but TI solution is highly integrated | 09:04 |
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| AstralStorm | that might be part of the reason why the GPS chip is such fail | 09:04 |
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| AstralStorm | it's very close to the CPU | 09:05 |
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| AstralStorm | and has no separate filtered power source | 09:05 |
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| ShadowJK_ | gprs is good at causing interference with everything. radio pulsing on/off all the time :) | 09:05 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: ... not the right frequency | 09:05 |
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| AstralStorm | :) | 09:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AstralStorm: how can you tell they have no filters on GPS VDD | 09:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ? | 09:06 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: I don't know | 09:06 |
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| AstralStorm | it's fully integrated | 09:06 |
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| AstralStorm | that alone will cause noise | 09:06 |
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| ShadowJK_ | my computer's capacitors start going beepitybeep if phone is near it :) | 09:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nooooonsense | 09:06 |
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| simula_ | heh | 09:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | more integration actually means less noise usually | 09:07 |
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| arachnist | ...right | 09:07 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: ... | 09:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you got shorter traces to catch noise | 09:07 |
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| AstralStorm | try to integrate a small amplifier with a noisy circuit | 09:07 |
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| AstralStorm | see the SNR drop. a lot. | 09:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's the noisy circuit on GPS chipset?? | 09:08 |
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| AstralStorm | not GPS chipset | 09:08 |
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| AstralStorm | CPU itself | 09:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr.... | 09:08 |
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| arachnist | DocScrutinizer: even sound cards these days get EMI shields | 09:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course | 09:08 |
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| AstralStorm | yup | 09:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they sure need | 09:08 |
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| AstralStorm | and here, you also get one, except the noise gets in via power line | 09:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and GPS of N900 for sure has a dedicated separate shielding can | 09:09 |
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| AstralStorm | sure, so? | 09:09 |
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| AstralStorm | the power line and connectors don't | 09:09 |
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| AstralStorm | and it's a very short distance from the CPU | 09:10 |
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| AstralStorm | (bad decision IMO) | 09:10 |
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| ShadowJK_ | imagine all that huge amounts of noise on n8x0 headphone port, you could hear the touchscreen on it even.. | 09:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yayaya we got that power line interference issue on Openmoko GTA02 | 09:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | was really poor layout though | 09:10 |
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| AstralStorm | same here ;p | 09:11 |
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| AstralStorm | real poor layout IMO | 09:11 |
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| AstralStorm | I did take apart the n810 | 09:11 |
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| AstralStorm | (and put it back together, it works) | 09:11 |
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| arachnist | (almoast) ;) | 09:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, wondering how you can tell as long as you don't have the project files of PCB layout program, to see all 8 layers | 09:11 |
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| AstralStorm | arachnist: not almost, fully | 09:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AstralStorm: I did as well | 09:12 |
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| AstralStorm | the damage was caused by fall(s) and not myself | 09:12 |
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| AstralStorm | so, the GPS is the left top chip | 09:12 |
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| AstralStorm | near the tiny strip of metal that is the antenna | 09:12 |
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| AstralStorm | and to the bottom right (less than 1cm) is the CPU | 09:12 |
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| AstralStorm | another fail is that GPS and its antenna is near bluetooth and wifi antennas | 09:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AstralStorm: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/ | 09:13 |
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| AstralStorm | I figure harmonics of those could interfere | 09:13 |
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| simula_ | what is a good way to transfer files to my n900? i tried treating it as a mass storage device, and copying files to it, but "find / -name 'x'" can't find the files i copied | 09:14 |
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| AstralStorm | nice, you have more and better pics than me | 09:14 |
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| AstralStorm | simula_: hmmh? they should be there | 09:14 |
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| ShadowJK_ | simula: usb still connected? | 09:14 |
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| AstralStorm | although, I'd use sshfs | 09:14 |
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| AstralStorm | but that's just me | 09:14 |
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| simula_ | shadowJK_ i had it connected, then disconnected.. let me try again | 09:14 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00281_jpg.jpeg.html this pic is good | 09:15 |
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| ShadowJK_ | your computer and n900 can't access the filesystem both at the same time | 09:15 |
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| AstralStorm | :) | 09:15 |
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| AstralStorm | yup | 09:15 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: but you need better focus with those pics ;p | 09:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | was a ETEN M800 IIRC, no way | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or samsung OMNIA | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | similar crap | 09:18 |
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| RST38h | simula: USB connection only exposes ~user/MyDocs | 09:19 |
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| simula_ | shadowJK_, i ejected it from my linux box before, but now i'm going to exit the terminal | 09:19 |
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| RST38h | simula: If you want the whole tree, use sshfs instead (but it is slower) | 09:20 |
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| AstralStorm | or use usb_gadget on another filesystem | 09:21 |
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| AstralStorm | usb_file_gadget what's the driver called | 09:21 |
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| ShadowJK_ | simula: is the cable physically connected? | 09:21 |
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| simula_ | nopes | 09:21 |
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| AstralStorm | instead of sshfs, you could use NFS or CIFS | 09:21 |
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| ShadowJK_ | right | 09:21 |
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| RST38h | AStorm <-- being fancy | 09:21 |
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| AstralStorm | why? | 09:21 |
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| AstralStorm | CIFS is plain old Samba | 09:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | here's the GPS antenna: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00305_jpg.jpeg.html | 09:22 |
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| AstralStorm | ;p | 09:22 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: yeah yeah, the golden strip | 09:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | guess it's not really great | 09:22 |
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| AstralStorm | too small for the frequency | 09:22 |
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| AstralStorm | even with a length multiplier it's going to be fail | 09:22 |
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| AstralStorm | someone should hack it to use the whole backplate as the antenna ;p | 09:23 |
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| AstralStorm | I wonder how well would that work | 09:24 |
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| AstralStorm | I bet not really, because of noise captured, but worth a try | 09:24 |
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| simula_ | found it... just had to close and open xterm... hmmm | 09:24 |
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| simula_ | thanks astralstorm | 09:24 |
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| ShadowJK_ | there's a gps hack for n97 which involves improving the nantenna with more foil | 09:24 |
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| AstralStorm | you know, the antenna should be a bit like GPRS phone antenna | 09:25 |
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| AstralStorm | not a weird strip of metal | 09:25 |
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| simula_ | the folder made available to other boxes when the n900 is mass storage is /home/user/MyDocs | 09:25 |
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| AstralStorm | it's a close frequency range | 09:25 |
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| AstralStorm | (1,5 GHz for GPS, 1,9GHz for GPRS in some countries) | 09:26 |
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| AstralStorm | should actually be even longer than that | 09:26 |
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| AstralStorm | (the antenna as it is is below lambda/2 length, which means suck) | 09:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 1.8, 1.8, 2.1(UMTS) | 09:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err 1.8, 1.9, 2.1(UMTS) | 09:29 |
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| AstralStorm | yup | 09:29 |
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| AstralStorm | GPS is about 1,5 | 09:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and of cours e850, 900 | 09:29 |
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| AstralStorm | so, a bit longer waves | 09:29 |
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| ShadowJK_ | and umts900 | 09:29 |
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| AstralStorm | mhm | 09:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umts900 is a weird american non-standard | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 09:30 |
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| ShadowJK_ | no | 09:30 |
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| AstralStorm | no, european not-yet-standard ;p | 09:30 |
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| AstralStorm | e.g. Finland. | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | muhahaha | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never seen european buerocrats | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | finland is a poor country, with looooong distances between BTS. They simply *need* D-band | 09:31 |
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| arachnist | hmm | 09:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even for UMTS ;-P | 09:31 |
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| arachnist | N900 is about as thick as the ThinkPad X300 without the display | 09:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who cares? | 09:32 |
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| AstralStorm | which means thick | 09:32 |
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| ShadowJK_ | they should've taken 450 away from digita and used it for umts too :) | 09:32 |
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| AstralStorm | for a cell phone | 09:32 |
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| suihkulokki | DocScrutinizer: umts900 is european. umts850 is american | 09:32 |
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| AstralStorm | ;) | 09:32 |
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| RST38h | it is ok | 09:32 |
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| RST38h | does not feel thick | 09:32 |
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| AstralStorm | RST38h: try carrying it some more, huh | 09:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | suihkulokki: ok, that might be correct | 09:33 |
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| ShadowJK_ | my e70 was probably thicker | 09:33 |
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| AstralStorm | yup | 09:33 |
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| AstralStorm | e70 is almost a brick | 09:33 |
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| suihkulokki | http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?cc=fi&net=e3 | 09:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 850/1900 is US | 09:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 900/1800 is sane world ;-P | 09:33 |
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| AstralStorm | 900/1800/2100 actually | 09:34 |
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| AstralStorm | :) | 09:34 |
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| ShadowJK_ | still small compared to 1610 and e90 | 09:34 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: those actually *are* bricks | 09:34 |
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| AstralStorm | lo | 09:34 |
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| ShadowJK_ | nah, cityman is a brick | 09:34 |
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| AstralStorm | no contest on that | 09:35 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: it's not much thicker than the N97, really | 09:35 |
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| arachnist | 1 or 2mm | 09:35 |
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| AstralStorm | that's definitely not slim | 09:35 |
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| AstralStorm | ;p | 09:35 |
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| arachnist | (when put one next to the other) | 09:35 |
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| cehteh | my newton message pad is a brick :) | 09:35 |
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| AstralStorm | compare to HTC Hero for instance | 09:35 |
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| AstralStorm | ;p | 09:36 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: start comparing N900 to phones that actually have a non-flat keyboard, and it doesn't seem very thick | 09:36 |
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| AstralStorm | heh | 09:36 |
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| AstralStorm | n810? ;p | 09:36 |
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| arachnist | phones? | 09:36 |
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| AstralStorm | but this doesn't have the camera | 09:36 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if Nokia will manage to ship his N900 today o.O | 09:36 |
| AstralStorm | which adds some 2mm thickness | 09:36 |
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| ShadowJK_ | n810 keyboard is kinda flat.. | 09:36 |
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| AstralStorm | arachnist: Xperia 2? | 09:37 |
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| AstralStorm | which is thinner | 09:37 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: not flat enough, it's ok | 09:37 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: besides, it being a little thick actually helps holding the device | 09:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when they delay a little bit longer, I simply will send it back and get may money back | 09:38 |
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| ShadowJK_ | hm huh, swapon on microsd card on n900 hung :) | 09:38 |
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| AstralStorm | remkswap it | 09:38 |
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| AstralStorm | probably the swap file broke | 09:38 |
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| RST38h | AStorm: I carry it all the time. It is ok. | 09:38 |
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| arachnist | btw, the default 256MB of ubifs for / is a bad joke | 09:39 |
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| ShadowJK_ | it got stuck somewhere from vfat bmap code | 09:39 |
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| arachnist | i managed to fill it yesterday :P | 09:39 |
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| RST38h | arachnist: Let me guess: this is your first maemo device? | 09:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | optify | 09:39 |
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| ShadowJK_ | if only people wouldn't have their software installed there :/ | 09:39 |
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| arachnist | RST38h: nope. had an N800 earlier | 09:39 |
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| RST38h | then I do not see what changed | 09:40 |
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| ShadowJK_ | atleast on diablo you didn't need xterm to see space on / :) | 09:40 |
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| RST38h | ? | 09:40 |
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| arachnist | RST38h: the fact that i could get entire system on the N800 on the internal SDHC card | 09:40 |
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| RST38h | ah tha | 09:40 |
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| RST38h | you can probably still do it with N900, just has not been tried by anyone | 09:41 |
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| ShadowJK_ | control panel -> memory, doesn't show free space on / on n900 | 09:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 09:41 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: There is an app for that afaik | 09:41 |
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| ShadowJK_ | and with control panel i mean settings | 09:41 |
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| arachnist | ShadowJK_: xterm -> df -h | 09:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /opt /home etc on iSD? | 09:42 |
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| ShadowJK_ | arachnist: context, context, context, banana | 09:42 |
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| ShadowJK_ | doc, yes | 09:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I bet that's been tried dozens if not hundreds of times on N900 now | 09:42 |
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| arachnist | ShadowJK_: pineaple | 09:42 |
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| ShadowJK_ | call me a philistine, but I think I'd preferred n900 hw with maemo4 software ;) | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | have fun placing a phonecall | 09:44 |
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| arachnist | i might just do what i did with my other arm-powered device: mount some NFS rw, copy everything from / to it, pivot_root, rearrange the partitions (like giving / at least 2GB, by shrinking /home/user/MyDocs) and hoping that everything will still work | 09:45 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: yep. | 09:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: why should it fail? | 09:46 |
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| arachnist | DocScrutinizer: some crazy u-boot hack? | 09:47 |
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| AstralStorm | RST38h: fix your autocomplete ;) | 09:47 |
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| ShadowJK_ | n900 has no tab | 09:47 |
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| arachnist | ShadowJK_: the terminal has tab | 09:47 |
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| AstralStorm | arachnist: and no, 256 MB ubifs is almost good | 09:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aaaww, a few MB for kernel, another partition... nothing that uld stop you | 09:47 |
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| * RST38h uses IRCII inside screen inside ssh session. What autocomplete? | 09:47 |
| AstralStorm | arachnist: in that it's ubifs and not jffs2 | 09:48 |
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| AstralStorm | I can easily fit n810 system in the jffs2 flash | 09:48 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: i have nothing against ubi | 09:48 |
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| AstralStorm | but I *could* use extra 256 MB there | 09:48 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: it just sucks that it's so small | 09:48 |
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| AstralStorm | no, why | 09:48 |
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| AstralStorm | it's not meant for data storage | 09:48 |
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| AstralStorm | you have the internal MMC for this | 09:48 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: because some of the stuff you install still lands there | 09:49 |
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| AstralStorm | ... | 09:49 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: especially from the extras-devel repo | 09:49 |
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| AstralStorm | some of the stuff like what | 09:49 |
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| AstralStorm | apps | 09:49 |
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| AstralStorm | ;p | 09:49 |
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| AstralStorm | they do and should | 09:49 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: like fennec, or tear | 09:49 |
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| AstralStorm | but as I've said before | 09:49 |
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| AstralStorm | it is a bit tight | 09:49 |
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| arachnist | so 256MB is not enough | 09:49 |
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| AstralStorm | someone should try uclibc | 09:49 |
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| * ShadowJK_ has 64M free there | 09:50 |
| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: on a fresh system, I bet | 09:50 |
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| AstralStorm | after removing pointless junk | 09:50 |
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| AstralStorm | :) | 09:50 |
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| ShadowJK_ | i havent removed anything | 09:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (some stuff lands there) I really doubt any app nstaller or whatever will care *where* the rootfs lives, as where do the mounted /opt /home /etc etc | 09:50 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: so do that, remove e.g. multilingual user manuals | 09:50 |
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| arachnist | btw, there's /omweather.xml - WTF? | 09:50 |
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| AstralStorm | sample video and sounds | 09:51 |
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| arachnist | (yes, /) | 09:51 |
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| ShadowJK_ | i did install openssh, rootsh, pwsafe though | 09:51 |
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| AstralStorm | pwsafe? lol, nobody sane uses that | 09:51 |
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| AstralStorm | passwords are safer in head | 09:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not in mine | 09:51 |
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| AstralStorm | heh | 09:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 09:51 |
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| * cehteh uses uuid's for passwords | 09:51 |
| AstralStorm | fix it then ;p | 09:51 |
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| ShadowJK_ | i figured pwsafe is marginally better than a plaintext 'passwords' file | 09:52 |
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| * DocScrutinizer fetches the wooden hammer | 09:52 |
| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: of course | 09:52 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: use a rubber one instead | 09:52 |
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| ShadowJK_ | and more convenient than openssl bf -d in terminal | 09:52 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: less convenient than just remembering your passwords | 09:52 |
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| AstralStorm | ;p | 09:53 |
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| arachnist | it's easy to remember passwords if you have a different one for everything | 09:53 |
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| AstralStorm | yes, it is. | 09:53 |
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| AstralStorm | :) | 09:53 |
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| ShadowJK_ | i cant keep up. heck, just maemo.org needs like 3 of them | 09:53 |
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| AstralStorm | no need for split passwords there | 09:54 |
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| arachnist | at least when most of them is made using the same schema | 09:54 |
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| AstralStorm | could use one | 09:54 |
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| AstralStorm | since this is the same server | 09:54 |
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| AstralStorm | a break there means an attacker will grab all of these anyway | 09:54 |
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| arachnist | they could have made it "one account rules them all" | 09:54 |
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| AstralStorm | arachnist: or not. | 09:54 |
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| AstralStorm | maybe OpenID? :> | 09:54 |
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| ShadowJK_ | they,re not the same server though, and not in same dc even? | 09:55 |
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| AstralStorm | I'd love a one time password based system | 09:55 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: they're linked | 09:55 |
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| AstralStorm | that's enough | 09:55 |
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| arachnist | btw, locking the keyboard with that thingny on the right side is a good idea | 09:56 |
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| arachnist | convinient and doesn't seem to get turned on/off by accident | 09:57 |
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| ShadowJK_ | hm. xchat crashes on n900 if i go to preferences and then tap ok | 09:58 |
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| arachnist | ok, need to get my daily fix of cola | 09:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK_: eeeeek | 09:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | was the first app to install tomorrow :-S | 10:00 |
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| arachnist | oh | 10:00 |
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| arachnist | that reminds me to configure irssi-proxy | 10:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, the config files are plaintext anyway, as it's good custom on unix | 10:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xchat on OM has no config dialog I knew of ;-P | 10:02 |
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| arachnist | btw, i think that the N900 might have usb host after all | 10:04 |
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| arachnist | either that, or lsusb is lying | 10:05 |
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| pupnik | how can i test that here arachnist | 10:06 |
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| pupnik | oh nm | 10:07 |
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| pupnik | what device do you have | 10:07 |
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| ShadowJK_ | lsusb wouldnt know about the wiring :) | 10:07 |
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| AstralStorm | yeah | 10:07 |
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| pupnik | i thought you had done something else nm | 10:07 |
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| AstralStorm | n810 keyboard lock has a tendency to unlock | 10:07 |
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| arachnist | pupnik: N900 | 10:07 |
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| AstralStorm | because the slider autounlocks | 10:07 |
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| pupnik | crazy brain hoppin on some passin cloud | 10:07 |
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| AstralStorm | I find that broken | 10:07 |
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| ShadowJK_ | what? | 10:07 |
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| AstralStorm | would love to disable autounlock on keyboard being extended (that sensor is too sensitive) | 10:08 |
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| pupnik | arachnist: what is connected to n900 that seems to show usb host mode working on n900? | 10:08 |
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| arachnist | AstralStorm: as i said, the lock on the N900 works great so far | 10:08 |
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| ShadowJK_ | how does it autounlock? | 10:08 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: you extend the keyboard, the screen is unlocked | 10:08 |
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| AstralStorm | that's how it works on n810 | 10:08 |
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| AstralStorm | but the keyboard is a slider | 10:08 |
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| ShadowJK_ | ah right | 10:08 |
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| arachnist | pupnik: lsusb shows the "usb host" device | 10:08 |
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| AstralStorm | it's easy to move it accidentally enough for the device to register "being extended" | 10:08 |
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| ShadowJK_ | never happened to me accidentally.. and it relocks when you close it unless you do things in between | 10:09 |
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| arachnist | brb | 10:09 |
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| pupnik | i just see Bus --1 Device --1: ID 1d6b:0002 | 10:09 |
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| AstralStorm | ShadowJK_: yes, it does relocks | 10:09 |
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| pupnik | i just see Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 | 10:09 |
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| AstralStorm | but that's too late | 10:09 |
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| AstralStorm | the telock is usually too slow | 10:10 |
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| AstralStorm | some screen press might happen in the meantime | 10:10 |
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| AstralStorm | ;p | 10:10 |
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| AstralStorm | it's real easy to move keyboard enough when putting the device in the protector | 10:10 |
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| AstralStorm | and it tends to be < 1 mm precision | 10:11 |
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| AstralStorm | maybe my slide got loose with use and abuse ;p | 10:11 |
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| * ShadowJK_ hasnt had much happen even when he forgets to lock and has n810 in pocket :) | 10:11 |
| AstralStorm | haha | 10:11 |
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| AstralStorm | I had music playback start | 10:11 |
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| AstralStorm | desktop being reordered (dumb idea, no lock there ;p ) | 10:11 |
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| AstralStorm | etc etc | 10:11 |
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| pupnik | eat more ShadowJK_ son! You all skin and bones! | 10:12 |
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| pupnik | so anyone else fill up the n900 ? | 10:12 |
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| pupnik | notice the crawler getting in your way or not? | 10:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I assume OMAP3 SoC has multiple USB interfaces | 10:12 |
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| pupnik | is that interesting to us? | 10:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so it could conect any internal "peripheral" via USB which shows up as host then | 10:13 |
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| pupnik | :) | 10:13 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: if you find the wires | 10:13 |
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| AstralStorm | assuming they're even connected | 10:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 10:13 |
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| AstralStorm | ... | 10:13 |
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| AstralStorm | oh wait | 10:14 |
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| AstralStorm | the camera is via that USB | 10:14 |
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| AstralStorm | no joy for you | 10:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2009-11-28 09:04:52] <arachnist> btw, i think that the N900 might have usb host after all | 10:14 |
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| ShadowJK_ | yes it has an ehci host controller and a usb1+usb2 otg controller | 10:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2009-11-28 09:05:10] <arachnist> either that, or lsusb is lying | 10:14 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: ... it's the main chip | 10:14 |
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| AstralStorm | the one you have connected externally | 10:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I call that SoC | 10:14 |
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| AstralStorm | it is both host and client | 10:15 |
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| AstralStorm | nice OTG | 10:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2009-11-28 09:12:46] <DocScrutinizer> I assume OMAP3 SoC has multiple USB interfaces | 10:15 |
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| AstralStorm | no. | 10:15 |
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| AstralStorm | what for | 10:15 |
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| AstralStorm | remember how much power USB eats | 10:15 |
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| suihkulokki | DocScrutinizer: the omap3 SoC supportes ehci but you still need to pair it with PHY | 10:15 |
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| AstralStorm | the chip can handle 2 USB. | 10:15 |
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| AstralStorm | exactly | 10:15 |
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| AstralStorm | the Phy is not connected | 10:15 |
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| suihkulokki | DocScrutinizer: look at the beagleboard schematics | 10:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | suihkulokki: that's true for full featured USB interface | 10:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not though if you e.g. connect an internal BT-module via usb, like it's done on OM freerunner | 10:16 |
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| AstralStorm | DocScrutinizer: ... no, not w/o phy | 10:16 |
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| AstralStorm | it's not USB w/o phy | 10:16 |
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| AstralStorm | it's.... something internal ;) | 10:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AstralStorm: the protocol and D+/- *are* USB | 10:17 |
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| AstralStorm | yes, so? | 10:17 |
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| AstralStorm | wrong voltage, wrong current | 10:17 |
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| AstralStorm | you still need the Phy | 10:17 |
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| AstralStorm | if only a small one | 10:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lsusb doesn't need a PHY to show an nterface as host | 10:17 |
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| AstralStorm | yes, so. | 10:18 |
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| AstralStorm | the problem is that both - and + go positive here I think | 10:18 |
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| AstralStorm | and low voltage | 10:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what do you tell me?? On FR we have *no* PHY to connect hte BT module to S3C2442 SoC | 10:18 |
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| AstralStorm | no real USB device will work w/o a Phy AKA adapter | 10:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | USB | 10:18 |
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| AstralStorm | ... | 10:18 |
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| AstralStorm | this USB host is a bit different | 10:18 |
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| AstralStorm | it doesn't send proper levels | 10:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 10:19 |
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| AstralStorm | unlike most other phy-less chips | 10:20 |
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| AstralStorm | (which send proper differential output) | 10:20 |
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| AstralStorm | (if lower in voltage) | 10:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lsusb doesn't need a PHY to show an nterface as host | 10:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neither does xHCI | 10:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some laptops have >3 internal USB host interfaces and sometimes >10 internal USB-connected devices like touchscreen, Wifi, dunno what else | 10:22 |
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| pupnik | some people stick things into air vents | 10:24 |
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| RST38h | things like live fish and calamari tentacles | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless | 10:46 |
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| jaem | grr | 10:46 |
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| * jaem has a bone to pick | 10:46 |
| jaem | how are you, Stskeeps ? | 10:47 |
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| jaem | sigh... me too | 10:47 |
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| jaem | down to the wire on a project | 10:47 |
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| jaem | trying to work out BT D-Bus calls on Maemo | 10:48 |
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| Stskeeps | bluez? | 10:48 |
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| jaem | yeah, but Maemo has some wrappery stuff | 10:48 |
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| wazd | heya all | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | morning wazd o/ | 11:29 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: so your pc finally stable again? P | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 11:32 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: looks like :D | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | good | 11:34 |
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| Termana | r39pq | 11:42 |
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| Termana | shit | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | zzz | 11:42 |
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| Termana | arrggg | 11:42 |
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| Termana | hello | 11:42 |
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| Termana | Imma need to change my password now :\ | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | you change password first, then tell | 11:43 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 11:43 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Someone /ghost him | 11:43 |
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| Termana | shut up | 11:43 |
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| Termana | thats not the full password | 11:43 |
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| Termana | Besides, its my birthday - don't hurt frigle old me on my birthday | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | happy birthday :P | 11:44 |
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| Termana | fragile* | 11:44 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Grr, fine. Happy birthday, then | 11:44 |
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| Termana | Thanks guys :D | 11:45 |
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| Termana | Thanks for the cake, but why only 8 candles? | 11:49 |
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| Termana | Only an 8 year old would accidently show part of their password in an IRC channel? | 11:49 |
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| * SpeedEvil did that accidentally once with his most secret password. | 11:50 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Argh - pull network cable, change password on 8 systems time.' | 11:50 |
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| Termana | lol :P luckily I don't use the same password everywhere | 11:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Root password for local systems | 11:51 |
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| Lupu | Yeah, and be sure not to keep any secrets highlighted so that you might accidentally paste it into IRC or onto the web browser, creating a DNS query with the contents... | 11:52 |
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| Lupu | (middle mouse paste, on X systems) | 11:52 |
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| Termana | Sounds like another victim | 11:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | system was swapping, I was typing into xterm, xterm got oomkilled, and buffered keystrokes went into IRC | 11:52 |
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| pupnik | SpeedEvil: on n900? | 12:09 |
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| pupnik | oh dear | 12:09 |
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| pupnik | sorry nevermind | 12:09 |
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| pupnik | i seem to be the only person reporting severe lags entering text into google | 12:10 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik: keep in mind you are using the live search probably | 12:10 |
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| pupnik | what causes that? is google on maemo running javascript that table-lookups each character i type? | 12:10 |
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| pupnik | ahh | 12:10 |
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| pupnik | on the n900 mobile link i can type one character into field | 12:11 |
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| pupnik | then a 10 second delay comes | 12:12 |
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| pupnik | then the rest of what i type is shown | 12:12 |
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| pupnik | this is 'drive user nuts' behavior | 12:12 |
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| kynky | seems fine for me | 12:12 |
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| lardman | morn | 12:12 |
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| pupnik | many many possible causes | 12:12 |
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| pupnik | i guess i need to make a survey now that devices are shipping | 12:13 |
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| kynky | too many apps open at once ? | 12:13 |
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| kynky | lots of browser plugins installed ? | 12:13 |
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| pupnik | none, two or three | 12:13 |
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| pupnik | lemme see if ssh might be causing it | 12:13 |
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| Lorthirk | does anyone knows where to download previous versions of maemo (of the one currently installed)? | 12:13 |
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| Arkenoi | how do you get a mouse click in easydebian? | 12:14 |
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| pupnik | closed all apps, started browser. clicked googlie-mobile page. started entering text. suddenly page froze up and i couldn't type (after 4 letters) then it continued - no other programs running | 12:16 |
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| kynky | restart ? | 12:18 |
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| kynky | you got desktop widgets on? | 12:18 |
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| * RST38h moos at Arkenoi | 12:18 |
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| Arkenoi | ah, it is just slooooow | 12:19 |
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| pupnik | nope, turning the search history, locations off (and signed out of gooooooooglebrother) | 12:20 |
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| pupnik | and search suggestions off in google 'preferences' | 12:20 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: swapping maybe? | 12:21 |
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| RST38h | I have seen this happen a few times, with system being seemingly "stuck", usually eating 100% CPU, but no significant processes in htop | 12:22 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 12:22 |
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| pupnik | how do i get swapping shown to me live | 12:22 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: mmc I/O maybe | 12:22 |
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| pupnik | at least it helps to get confirmation that it's something unique to me | 12:23 |
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| pupnik | but it might indicate a security hole | 12:23 |
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| RST38h | Sts: yea | 12:23 |
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| pupnik | since i am one of the canaries in a coalmine when it comes to getting hacked | 12:23 |
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| jaem | pupnik, you use your N900 in a coal mine? :S | 12:24 |
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| jaem | no wonder you have issues | 12:24 |
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| jaem | :P | 12:24 |
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| Stskeeps | if there's a good enough wifi signal, who cares. | 12:25 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 12:25 |
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| jaem | Stskeeps, I'm guessing not | 12:25 |
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| pupnik | google.com homepage is not as simple as it looks | 12:27 |
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| pupnik | <input autocomplete="off" maxlength=2048 name=q size=55 class=lst title="Google Search" value=""><br><input name=bt | 12:27 |
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| pupnik | nG type=submit value="Google Search" class=lsb onclick="this.checked=1"> | 12:27 |
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| Arkenoi | well, looks like OOo defaults are incredibly ugly and customizing on such a slow machine is real pain :-( | 12:27 |
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| pupnik | maybe if i set maxlength=255 this whole thing speeds up? | 12:28 |
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| pupnik | open office? | 12:28 |
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| Arkenoi | yep | 12:28 |
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| pupnik | Arkenoi: talked to any open office folks about it? | 12:28 |
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| Arkenoi | from easydebian | 12:28 |
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| pupnik | ahh | 12:28 |
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| kynky | koffice on its way | 12:29 |
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| pupnik | anybody here in germany | 12:29 |
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| * jaem growls at BlueZ | 12:34 |
| Arkenoi | actually if OOo *wasn't* customized for n900 and just had its default look on such a screen size it'd be much more usable | 12:34 |
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| jaem | this is most odd | 12:34 |
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| jaem | I've been referencing http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libconbtui/src/conbtdialogs-dbus.h | 12:34 |
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| * CoreFusion- is amused by all the these threads in t.m.o about N900 sucks, N900 pushed out too early, etc.. :D | 12:35 |
| jaem | and using the show_search_dlg call | 12:35 |
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| kynky | n900 is awesome | 12:35 |
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| jaem | it worked initially, when using qdbus-send manually, but now it doesn't | 12:35 |
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| jaem | the DBus call returns (apparently) successfully, but the response contains no arguments | 12:35 |
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| CoreFusion- | still one week until I get my N900 :/ | 12:36 |
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| jaem | is anyone familiar with this area of things? | 12:36 |
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| jaem | kynky, agreed :) | 12:36 |
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| kynky | got my n900 on thursday, loving it | 12:36 |
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| kynky | totally dont mind bugs being fixed over time, i expect it as an early adopter of a deveopment machine | 12:37 |
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| kynky | had to do a few reboots, for settings to kick in sometimes | 12:38 |
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| arachnist | i'm happy since i worked around the #2051 | 12:41 |
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| Stskeeps | bug 2051 | 12:41 |
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| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2051 Unable to connect to EAP PEAP MSCHAPV2 without certificates | 12:41 |
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| kynky | which was? | 12:41 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 12:41 |
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| kynky | :) | 12:41 |
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| arachnist | though i don't think i would be able to guess what's the issue without access to the AD server | 12:43 |
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| lardman | time to do tidying the house :( | 12:44 |
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| kynky | lardman , too late, but hire a maid, and enforce strict compliance to uniform | 12:46 |
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| Arkenoi | well, lxde is almost unusable due to stupid huge fonts someone set to default and just changing those is damn too hard | 12:49 |
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| kynky | lxde was fine for | 12:51 |
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| kynky | me | 12:51 |
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| Arkenoi | i was unable to use any dialog | 12:52 |
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| Arkenoi | go to preferences and those huge fonts kick almost everything out of screen | 12:52 |
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| Arkenoi | i could not even find where to change it to something reasonable | 12:53 |
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| kynky | i use gentoo | 12:53 |
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| Arkenoi | same thing in ooo | 12:53 |
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| Arkenoi | kynky, on n900? | 12:53 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Wy not fix it the way you want? It does not even require programming, does it? | 12:54 |
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| crashanddie | Arkenoi, no, not on the N900 | 12:54 |
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| kynky | oh, lol, that will be why, but yah planning on putting gentoo om n900 at some point | 12:54 |
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| crashanddie | kynky, you aware of the effort for Gentoo on the N8X0? | 12:54 |
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| Arkenoi | rst38h: well, it takes some time to figure out where all is that located. i wish i'd go back to good old .Xdefaults days to do things like our ancestors made it to be | 12:55 |
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| Arkenoi | kynky, i guess it *IS* the point, you are *NOT* doing that on n900 :-/ | 12:55 |
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| Stskeeps | eh? :P | 12:56 |
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| Stskeeps | n900 can run gentoo just fine if you aren't picy | 12:56 |
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| Stskeeps | ky | 12:56 |
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| kynky | i used lxde on my box im typing on at the moment on gentoo, using xfce at mo, but cant ou just change config files for lxde , its gtk based, maybe have a predefined gtkrc first ? | 12:57 |
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| kynky | gentoo , doing work with armv7 stuff as we speak | 12:57 |
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| kynky | http://armin762.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/armv7/ | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | (as in, you -will- have to deal with some binary blobs) | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | kynky: talk to luke-jr and slonopatomus | 12:59 |
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| kynky | i use nvidia binaries on my box anyway, i dont mind binary blobs | 12:59 |
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| kynky | Stskeeps, cheers | 12:59 |
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| kynky | is there an image out now to use with maemo flasher, if you install somthing that kinda messes up your n900? | 13:04 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 13:04 |
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| kynky | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php :) | 13:06 |
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| arachnist | the imei is also available on the order info, if ou ordered from the nokia store | 13:07 |
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| kynky | i did, but too late now, cheers though | 13:08 |
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| kynky | also enough ppl posted their imei numbers (instead of just serial) on tmo | 13:09 |
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| kynky | so i want global release for uk (not usa or middle east and africa) | 13:12 |
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| arachnist | also, it seems to check only a few first numbers | 13:12 |
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| arachnist | s/a/the/ | 13:12 |
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| infobot | arachnist meant: thelso, it seems to check only a few first numbers | 13:12 |
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| arachnist | meh | 13:13 |
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| kynky | :) | 13:13 |
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| arachnist | anyway, s/numbers/digits/ | 13:13 |
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| RST38h | The N900 is up for 9 days now and most operations got really sluggish | 13:14 |
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| RST38h | Disk space is fine, including / | 13:14 |
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| RST38h | Memory use also seems to be fine | 13:14 |
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| cehteh | mhm emacs/gtk doesnt look that good .. | 13:14 |
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| RST38h | HTOP does not show any abnormal activity | 13:15 |
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| cehteh | but i guess in xterm will be better anyways, just for memory consumption and performance | 13:15 |
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| arachnist | you can change at least the last 7 digits of the IMEI | 13:15 |
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| arachnist | think that gives a good enough range for anyone to download the software | 13:16 |
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| kynky | last seven digits is serial anyway (except 7th) | 13:16 |
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| cehteh | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.2.1/libgcc.a(_divdi3.o):(.ARM.exidx+0x0): undefined reference to `__aeabi_unwind_cpp_pr0' | 13:18 |
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| cehteh | eww | 13:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: no. | 13:18 |
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| cehteh | good night | 13:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Perhaps it's caused by goiogle suggestions | 13:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh | 13:19 |
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| pupnik | was wondering if some of this googlecode is odd | 13:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | Do normal FF plugins work with the browser? | 13:20 |
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| kynky | xpi | 13:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | if so, xulprofiler | 13:20 |
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| arachnist | at least adblock works | 13:20 |
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| pupnik | ty sir | 13:20 |
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| pupnik | i'd like a system level profiler that helps me figure out exactly what is active when this hang situation happens | 13:22 |
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| pupnik | hello kernel i guess | 13:22 |
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| kynky | got a battery charger for bl-5j for £2.50 :) | 13:22 |
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| pupnik | wow, i paid 20 | 13:22 |
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| arachnist | pupnik: oprofile | 13:23 |
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| arachnist | pupnik: but that needs kernel support | 13:23 |
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| arachnist | which, i assume, the n900 kernel doesn't have | 13:23 |
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| pupnik | i had oprofile running on n810 | 13:23 |
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| kynky | just gotta find a place that does cheap offical bl-5j batteries | 13:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: while true do ps ;sleep 1; done >log ? | 13:23 |
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| pupnik | nice - i got a univ charger so it can do different voltages and battery types | 13:24 |
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| arachnist | SpeedEvil: not very accurate | 13:24 |
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| pekuja | kynky: where did you get the charger? | 13:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | arachnist: no, of course it's not. It'll tell you if anything is actually wedging the CPU though | 13:24 |
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| kynky | friend ordered 2 from a retailer on ebay | 13:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | arachnist: or if something is waiting on something | 13:24 |
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| pupnik | i'm not following | 13:24 |
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| kynky | http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=bl-5j+charger&hl=en&scoring=p , for prices on cheap chargers | 13:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: just run ps and date to a logfile, every second, and check the exact time of your stall | 13:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: then investigate | 13:26 |
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| kynky | 3rd link down ithink | 13:26 |
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| arachnist | hmm | 13:26 |
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| arachnist | *#06# doesn't work on N900 | 13:26 |
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| arachnist | yes, i know, there are other ways to check imei | 13:27 |
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| pupnik | hmm ty SpeedEvil that is fine grained enough to yield something | 13:27 |
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| Stskeeps | control panel -> about product, yeah | 13:27 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 13:27 |
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| pupnik | just need to synch clock and i'm good | 13:27 |
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| kynky | Stskeeps, lol, yeah | 13:27 |
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| Dantonic | hey how do I check my IP on my N800? | 13:28 |
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| pupnik | i use 'ifconfig' | 13:28 |
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| mord_ | ifconfig? | 13:28 |
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| kynky | bit scared if i lose n900 though, guess i should not have it remeber passwords | 13:28 |
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| pupnik | there is also an applet that should be on its way to maemo extras repository | 13:28 |
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| Dantonic | oh :P needed sudo I guess | 13:28 |
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| Dantonic | I had tried it without | 13:28 |
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| arachnist | Dantonic: /sbin/ifconfig | 13:28 |
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| pupnik | myip or smth | 13:28 |
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| kynky | "personal ip" | 13:29 |
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| kynky | its awesome | 13:29 |
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| arachnist | Dantonic: you can call it without any special priviliges | 13:29 |
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| Dantonic | I see | 13:29 |
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| Dantonic | thanks | 13:29 |
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| Dantonic | got the IP :) | 13:29 |
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| arachnist | (if you really need to know the ip all the time) | 13:29 |
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| kynky | and "personal data plan" tells you how muchdata have usedon 3g | 13:29 |
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| pupnik | that is very nice! | 13:29 |
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| kynky | and what network type u on | 13:29 |
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| arachnist | yeah, the "personal data plan" is actually useful | 13:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Does the n900 know magically what APN/... to use with a SIM somehow? | 13:30 |
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| kynky | i use both in compact mode | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: it has a list yeah | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: otherwise it's configurable | 13:30 |
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| arachnist | SpeedEvil: it seems to have a built-in list | 13:30 |
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| kynky | its awesome (n900 thatis) | 13:30 |
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| pupnik | try em all! mwaahaha | 13:30 |
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| kynky | i can get settings over the air i thought in uk | 13:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: My deeply annoying WSP doesn't provide that sort of details... | 13:30 |
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| pupnik | i hope no dorks start doing stupid cell network abuse tricks | 13:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | vodafone | 13:30 |
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| pupnik | ahh | 13:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: you can't | 13:31 |
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| kynky | im with vodafone | 13:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: the phone part is just AT commands | 13:31 |
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| * Arkenoi had to set it up manually | 13:31 |
| pupnik | very simple api | 13:31 |
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| pupnik | ah | 13:31 |
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| pupnik | was going to ask | 13:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: you don't have any programmatic access to it even if you hack the kernel. | 13:31 |
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| arachnist | i've tried my N900 with 2 of the 4 major networks in poland, and i didn't have to set-up anything by hand | 13:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | (well - maybe not strictly AT commands - but the kernel is not bit-banging the hardware - there is a seperate phone core. | 13:31 |
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| pupnik | honestly, probably the only way *to* build and sell such a thing | 13:32 |
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| kynky | vodafone uk, has fastest 3g in uk, orange has greatest coverage , three mobile is cheapest | 13:32 |
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| crashanddie | "The latest in a parade of hits, Activision’s Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 has sold an estimated $550 million in the first five days of its release, bringing the entire The Call of Duty series $3 billion in sales between its six titles. To put that in perspective, James Bond has been a franchise for 47 years and grossed just over $5 billion." | 13:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Not quite. Some platforms use one core, and trusted computing techniques. | 13:32 |
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| arachnist | crashanddie: lol | 13:32 |
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| crashanddie | I was discussing MW2 with our VP of sales in EMEA | 13:33 |
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| crashanddie | When we were talking about WM2 results | 13:33 |
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| crashanddie | He gleefully came to the conclusion "MW2 made ActiVision as much money in 24 hours as we do in a quarter" | 13:33 |
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| pupnik | nechwarrior2? | 13:34 |
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| pupnik | m | 13:34 |
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| crashanddie | I'm in the wrong business | 13:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | cashanddie: insane | 13:34 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik, modern warfare, as per the quote above | 13:34 |
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| kynky | pupnik, neckwarrior sounds like a dodgy porno | 13:34 |
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| * pupnik shudders | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | So do many unix commands. | 13:35 |
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| kynky | lol | 13:35 |
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| johnx | neckwarrior2: revenge of the larynx | 13:36 |
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| pupnik | "it was monday, april 17. And my neck had just detached itself from my body. It was on a mission." | 13:37 |
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| crashanddie | "If by my life or death I can protect you, I will. You have my vocal chords... and you have my elbow... and my [fuck it's hard to find a bodily part that rimes with axe]" | 13:39 |
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| pupnik | paectorals | 13:39 |
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| pupnik | paaaecs | 13:39 |
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| pupnik | lol | 13:39 |
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| crashanddie | lol | 13:39 |
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| crashanddie | axe rimes with pecs now? | 13:39 |
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| Stskeeps | axe packs? | 13:40 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 13:40 |
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| pupnik | dancing above the fire above the black | 13:40 |
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| Lorthirk | hairs, maybe? | 13:41 |
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| kynky | whats best way for irc on n900 ? | 13:41 |
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| Stskeeps | xchat | 13:41 |
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| crashanddie | axe and hairs? | 13:41 |
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| crashanddie | God you guys suck at this! | 13:41 |
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| moo-_- | kynky: screen + irssi maybe | 13:41 |
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| kynky | xchat in extras-devel ? | 13:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: coxex. | 13:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: cortex | 13:42 |
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| crashanddie | doesn't rhyme with axe either | 13:42 |
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| kynky | installing screen and irssi, means use debian armel stuff ? or compile myself in sdk ? | 13:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Coxxyx rather | 13:42 |
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| crashanddie | hacks, jacks, fax, facts... | 13:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | coccyx rather | 13:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | cortex and axe are quite close. | 13:43 |
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| Arkenoi | do you have keyboard working in lxterm/easydebian? for some obscure reason mine does not | 13:43 |
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| moo-_- | kynky: you install screen + irssi on server side and use ssh to connect to them | 13:43 |
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| moo-_- | se even if your (mobiel) connecton is terminated you don't drop out from the channels | 13:43 |
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| kynky | moo-_-, can do that already :) | 13:43 |
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| kynky | but can use irssi as a proxy | 13:44 |
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| crashanddie | moo-_-, psybnc? | 13:44 |
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| moo-_- | crashanddie: bouncers are not always easier at least | 13:44 |
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| moo-_- | crashanddie: but if you want real multiplexed ircing use quassel + quasselcore | 13:44 |
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| crashanddie | moo-_-, you're the one asking | 13:45 |
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| moo-_- | however, quassel QT user interface is not very suitable for N900 in its current form | 13:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | quassel needs a commandline client | 13:45 |
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| crashanddie | moo-_-, don't turn the conversation the other way around, please | 13:45 |
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| kynky | so basically i can get xchat armel deb and then optify it, then install, or it already optified ? | 13:45 |
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| moo-_- | crashanddie: why so serious? ^_^ | 13:45 |
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| RST38h | All right, anyone has a quick sample of About dialog? | 13:50 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, http://www.e-zblaster.com/guide_images3/dialog_about.gif | 13:51 |
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| RST38h | sorry, this is not what I meant. | 13:52 |
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| crashanddie | oh, simpler yet? http://www.java2s.com/Tutorial/VBImages/AboutDialog.PNG | 13:53 |
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| viggi | how about this one? http://www.aeonscope.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/about-dialog.png | 13:53 |
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| Dantonic | hey, if I've created an SSH tunnel for VNC can I remove it? does it stay active even after I log off my ssh session? I used the following command: ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 user@remote_host | 14:04 |
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| woglinde | hi pupnik | 14:05 |
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| woglinde | dantonic you want nx | 14:05 |
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| Dantonic | ? | 14:05 |
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| woglinde | which makes graphical sudo | 14:05 |
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| kynky | nx is nomachine i thought | 14:05 |
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| woglinde | google for nomachine nx | 14:05 |
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| lbt | Dantonic: add -N | 14:05 |
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| woglinde | kynky in extras devel is qtnx | 14:06 |
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| Dantonic | I've no idea what you're talkinga bout woglinde | 14:06 |
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| kynky | nxclient for n900 ? | 14:06 |
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| kynky | sweet | 14:06 |
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| pupnik_ | bloop bloop. woglinde | 14:06 |
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| Dantonic | lbt, add -N to do what exactly remove it? | 14:06 |
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| lbt | hmm, Dantonic I assume you want a tunnel and no console? | 14:06 |
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| woglinde | I ported it to diablo | 14:06 |
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| woglinde | for n900 will follow | 14:06 |
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| Dantonic | basically lbt I was just trying to figure out how to vnc through SSH to be more secure | 14:06 |
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| Dantonic | but idk what I did | 14:06 |
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| Dantonic | now I can no longer vnc at all | 14:06 |
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| Dantonic | not even without SSH like before | 14:06 |
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| woglinde | dantonic as I say look into freenx and qtnx | 14:07 |
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| kynky | nxis like vnc but better, secure by default too | 14:07 |
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| lbt | yeah, the ssh session is needed since the tunnel uses it | 14:07 |
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| lbt | bt the console isn't needed | 14:07 |
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| pupnik_ | it is awesomeness, and then someday some smart guy named me or not-me will make it also stream mpeg4 or something when the screen goes into high-refresh mode (game was started) | 14:07 |
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| woglinde | kynky we even tested it on n810 and umts | 14:07 |
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| lbt | so : ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 user@remote_host -N | 14:07 |
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| woglinde | openoffice worked | 14:07 |
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| lbt | will ask for a pw and then "hang" - ie no shell | 14:07 |
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| lbt | but there's a tunnel | 14:08 |
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| Dantonic | ah | 14:08 |
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| kynky | so few weeks and qtnx will be on n900 ? | 14:08 |
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| Dantonic | and sorry what will that provide? | 14:08 |
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| woglinde | kynky maybee next weej | 14:08 |
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| woglinde | args week | 14:08 |
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| pupnik_ | wow woglinde, that kind of thing now just needs a video production team :) | 14:08 |
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| woglinde | If I am in the mood | 14:08 |
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| lbt | so it's suitable for running in the bg | 14:08 |
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| Dantonic | what's the reason for doing the -N? | 14:08 |
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| pupnik_ | "working on my desktop from the train, phone, yacht..." | 14:08 |
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| Dantonic | oh | 14:08 |
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| lbt | even as a daemon | 14:08 |
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| kynky | woglinde, you're amazing, so didnt wat to revert back to vnc | 14:08 |
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| kynky | want* | 14:08 |
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| woglinde | kynky its simple install sdk take fremantle env download the packages from diablo | 14:09 |
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| woglinde | compile for fremantle | 14:09 |
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| Dantonic | lbt, so how do I terminate it? | 14:09 |
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| pupnik_ | i needs surgery | 14:09 |
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| Dantonic | just Ctrl C? | 14:09 |
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| pupnik_ | damn | 14:09 |
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| lbt | yes | 14:09 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Know of any example of creating a decent About dialog in Maemo? | 14:09 |
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| woglinde | but I wanted to update it to the latest nx libs | 14:09 |
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| Dantonic | now once I've terminated it lbt the tunnel no longer exists? | 14:09 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: The default GtkAboutDialog looks extremely ugly | 14:09 |
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| lbt | err..... correct | 14:09 |
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| woglinde | moo rst | 14:10 |
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| woglinde | hi lbt btw. | 14:10 |
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| * RST38h moos at woglinde | 14:10 |
| lbt | hi woglinde :) | 14:10 |
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| * kynky working on removing holding hands at boot | 14:10 |
| woglinde | kynky maybee tomorrow I will do it | 14:10 |
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| woglinde | some one knows if sdk+ works now with latest fremantle? | 14:10 |
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| lbt | kynky: that's the boot movie | 14:11 |
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| lbt | you can add/remove it easily | 14:11 |
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| kynky | ibt, yeah, should b really simple | 14:11 |
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| kynky | woglinde, :) | 14:11 |
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| lbt | search wiki/tmo | 14:11 |
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| kynky | ibt, just looking into what to replace it with ;) | 14:11 |
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| Lorthirk | does anyone know ehre to get system informations about plugged in/out headsets (whether they are recognized or not, and how) apart from dmesg? | 14:12 |
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| lbt | kynky: it's Lbt btw... | 14:12 |
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| Lorthirk | *where | 14:12 |
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| lbt | Lorthirk: dbus | 14:12 |
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| lbt | hal | 14:12 |
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| kynky | lbt, sorry :) | 14:12 |
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| woglinde | wasnt hal dead? | 14:12 |
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| lbt | is it? | 14:12 |
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| woglinde | in near future | 14:13 |
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| woglinde | I heard something | 14:13 |
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| lbt | sounds daft | 14:13 |
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| lbt | so could be | 14:13 |
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| Lorthirk | dbus AND hal? | 14:13 |
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| Lorthirk | both of them have info? | 14:13 |
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| woglinde | no hal provides the info to dbus | 14:13 |
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| kynky | parts if hal being replaced by devicekit or consolekit, cant remember | 14:13 |
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| woglinde | thats what dbus is for | 14:13 |
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| Lorthirk | so who i should query? :) | 14:13 |
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| pupnik_ | RST38h: maybe you should make your 'About' open a web page stored in the game data. | 14:14 |
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| lbt | Lorthirk: listen to dbus | 14:14 |
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| Lorthirk | ok | 14:14 |
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| lbt | and plug in the headset | 14:14 |
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| lbt | and see what you get | 14:14 |
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| Lorthirk | ok thanks | 14:14 |
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| woglinde | dbus-monitor | 14:15 |
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| pupnik_ | my suggestion is probably bad for some reasons i can't fathom | 14:15 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: I really wanted to play by the rules and use GtkAboutDialog | 14:27 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: But it appears to suck royally, until in Maemo5 | 14:27 |
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| glass_ | uups | 14:31 |
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| pupnik_ | oh | 14:33 |
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| pupnik_ | RST38h: why use about dialog - put the info on splash screen and move to something else? | 14:33 |
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| pupnik_ | or is it just to play nice with tradition | 14:33 |
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| * RST38h tried that too | 14:35 |
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| pupnik_ | i wonder if an emulator author has ever entered 'easter eggs' to fool the user into thinking they discovered an egg in their emulated software | 14:38 |
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| RST38h | this is too deep for me, sorry =) | 14:38 |
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| pupnik_ | <button sequence detected?> - <Call Dancing Panda animation> | 14:39 |
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| RST38h | and who has got time to do dancing panda animation? | 14:40 |
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| MerkurAlex | Anyone seen any good deals for a n900 US version? so far i have found nokiausa.com is the cheapest... | 14:40 |
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| pupnik_ | you are so polite | 14:41 |
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| pupnik_ | amazon and dell stores had deals - check talk.maemo.org for deals discussions | 14:41 |
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| * RST38h kinda satisfied all the public requests by the way: emulators will now report if they cannot open a file on startup, the About box is now standard and refers to the web site with documentation, and the files are filtered by extension | 14:41 |
| pupnik_ | but i bought my 770 from nokia direct | 14:41 |
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| pupnik_ | why not give them the money | 14:41 |
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| pupnik_ | they invest it in the community | 14:41 |
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| MerkurAlex | mm good point | 14:42 |
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| jeremiah | Hey Hydroxide! | 14:42 |
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| jeremiah | How goes life? :-) | 14:42 |
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| MerkurAlex | i can hardly believe im buying one.. considering im still in a contract with at&t | 14:42 |
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| MerkurAlex | no 3g rofl | 14:42 |
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| pupnik_ | nice | 14:42 |
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| arachnist | the US networks issue makes me laugh | 14:43 |
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| RST38h | Ok, anyone else noticed that after ~7-9 days without a reboot, N900 becomes sluggish? | 14:43 |
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| arachnist | ask someone who has his N900 for >7 days ;> | 14:43 |
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| pupnik_ | MerkurAlex: i have convinced myself these devices are very valuable to me too because they really can change my life, how i communicate, what my prospects are. Staying in contact in this way, rather than just having a voice connection. | 14:43 |
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| jeremiah | Yeah, it becomes sluggish sooner than that | 14:43 |
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| MerkurAlex | RST38h, Memory leak or something? | 14:43 |
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| RST38h | I.e. everything you open (XTerm, Messaging, etc) opens very slowly, with spikes in CPU load, although HTOP shows nothing unnatural? | 14:43 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: is there a bug for that? | 14:43 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Hey, it sounds like religion =) | 14:44 |
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| jeremiah | Not that I know of. | 14:44 |
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| jeremiah | But there probably should be | 14:44 |
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| pupnik_ | yes RST38h | 14:44 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: swapping maybe | 14:44 |
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| moo-_- | RST38h: i haven't noticed | 14:44 |
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| pupnik_ | maybe someone wants to keep an eye on us | 14:44 |
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| MerkurAlex | pupnik_, i have to agree with that i still can't bring myself to sell my n810 lol but i suppose i should before i get that new shiny n900 o.o | 14:44 |
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| moo-_- | i am doing "normal use" though | 14:44 |
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| moo-_- | like web, phone calls and sms | 14:44 |
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| pupnik_ | can you afford to keep the N810? | 14:45 |
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| MerkurAlex | yeh..... but at the same time i would rather not have to haha | 14:45 |
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| pupnik_ | i kind of like having that metal case | 14:46 |
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| MerkurAlex | i will just be the happiest person ever to stop using this samsung eternity with a cracked screen... | 14:46 |
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| pupnik_ | i imagine myself pulling it out of a drawer in 2050 and saying "look timmy, this... was an ... internet tablet'" | 14:46 |
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| pupnik_ | ahh | 14:46 |
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| MerkurAlex | LOL | 14:46 |
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| pupnik_ | that's not that far off man | 14:47 |
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| MerkurAlex | how is the app development going on maemo 5? | 14:47 |
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| pupnik_ | time seems to move slow to you now | 14:47 |
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| pupnik_ | the slide gets steeper man | 14:47 |
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| MerkurAlex | lol | 14:47 |
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| wjt | hmm, someone should update http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture | 14:48 |
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| RST38h | pupnik, jeremiah, Stskeeps: Folks, I am gong to file a bug for this, could you please comment and vote on it, ok? | 14:48 |
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| MerkurAlex | wjt, go for it! lol | 14:48 |
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| pupnik_ | yes if i CAN | 14:48 |
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| pupnik_ | sorry | 14:48 |
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| wjt | MerkurAlex: i don't have the original image | 14:48 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: basically interactive processes should go above swapping: P | 14:48 |
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| MerkurAlex | wjt, it was a joke i figured you were asking someone else to do it because you had a reason for not being able to do it :) | 14:49 |
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| moo-_- | if you want to give n900 hard time try watching 1080p youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06lB6MqnSQ | 14:49 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Whatever they should do, they are not doing :) | 14:49 |
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| arachnist | the desktop switch effect (with icons/widgets "hovering" above the wallpaper) looks cool | 14:51 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah, Stskeeps, pupnik_ : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382 | 14:52 |
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| povbot | Bug 6382: Device becomes sluggish after several days | 14:52 |
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| MerkurAlex | so uhh how fat is the n900? lol | 14:55 |
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| MerkurAlex | basically is it annoying at all with it in your pocket? | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | not really | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | it's good cos you actually feel the vibrations :P | 14:56 |
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| MerkurAlex | lol | 14:56 |
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| moo-_- | MerkurAlex: it is heavy, but not annoyingly heavy | 15:07 |
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| moo-_- | worth of the compromised size | 15:07 |
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| TomaszD | zaheerm, around? | 15:08 |
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| MerkurAlex | i figured it would be heavy but thats not a big deal to me so long as it fits nicely in the pocket :) | 15:08 |
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| w00t | anyone want a google wave invite? | 15:15 |
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| edgar2 | RST38h: i've got a feeling that i've experienced similar | 15:22 |
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| RST38h | comment + vote | 15:22 |
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| edgar2 | i've made a habit of rebooting every second day or so | 15:22 |
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| edgar2 | i think i'll test it specifically first, without rebooting for a few days | 15:23 |
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| edgar2 | it's just that with all the extras-testing and extras-devel stuff, it's been next to impossible to tell what has caused the sluggishness | 15:24 |
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| edgar2 | but since the 42-11 update i've been going clean for awhile | 15:24 |
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| RST38h | So, what is the torrent search engine of the day? | 15:27 |
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| TomaszD | btjunkie.org | 15:28 |
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| lcuk | thp :) | 15:28 |
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| RST38h | ah, thanks | 15:28 |
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| Ceron^ | thp still active | 15:29 |
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| RST38h | not responding...probably all those people from mininova =) | 15:30 |
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| TomaszD | OK, I'm having a problem with the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly package | 15:30 |
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| TomaszD | it basically conflicts with already installed libraries | 15:30 |
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| TomaszD | no-one tried to install it before uploading? :P | 15:31 |
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| RST38h | It is -ugly! | 15:31 |
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| TomaszD | I know, but in this case the packaging is ugly | 15:31 |
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| * lcuk wakes up properly | 15:31 |
| javispedro | morning lcuk :) | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | mornin javispedro RST38h \o | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | and tomaz | 15:31 |
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| * RST38h notices that it is completely dark outside | 15:31 |
| TomaszD | of course, everyone gets my name wrong :P | 15:32 |
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| * javispedro opens the window to watch yet another glorious morning..... makes me sick! | 15:32 |
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| javispedro | ah.. bowlink. | 15:33 |
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| javispedro | er.. | 15:33 |
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| javispedro | bowling. I'm so bad a it :) | 15:33 |
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| lcuk | yeah me too | 15:33 |
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| MerkurAlex | w00t, got any google wave invites left? :D | 15:33 |
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| w00t | MerkurAlex: sure, drop me your mail address | 15:33 |
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| * lcuk has google wave invites somewhere | 15:34 |
| TomaszD | I also have them is anyone needs them.. | 15:34 |
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| lcuk | i dont think anyone needs them lol | 15:35 |
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| TomaszD | that's actually correct. | 15:35 |
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| TomaszD | :) | 15:35 |
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| MerkurAlex | i does but i has one nao | 15:35 |
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| MerkurAlex | O.O | 15:35 |
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| MerkurAlex | so i don'ts | 15:35 |
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| MerkurAlex | anymore | 15:35 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, what did you drop your n900 onto | 15:35 |
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| w00t | some people still do, I've sent 9 out to maemo people the past week | 15:35 |
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| lcuk | want is not the same as need :P | 15:36 |
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| yannj | hello everyone | 15:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone want one, I have them to give out | 15:36 |
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| lcuk | hello yannj and how can we help you today | 15:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | (google wave) | 15:36 |
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| pupnik_ | marble floor from 2.5 feet | 15:36 |
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| yannj | I'm still tracking the bug with location | 15:36 |
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| lcuk | nice, did you crack the marble? | 15:36 |
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| pupnik_ | i should have photo-surveyed it before moving | 15:37 |
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| pupnik_ | not sure | 15:37 |
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| MerkurAlex | o.o you dropped your n900 already? | 15:37 |
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| MerkurAlex | lol | 15:37 |
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| pupnik_ | not mine, nokias | 15:37 |
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| lcuk | last time i dropped my device it burnt a hole through 12 floors and came to rest in the basement | 15:37 |
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| MerkurAlex | ........ | 15:38 |
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| MerkurAlex | lol | 15:38 |
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| yannj | I had a look at liblocation, but it seems this is not the library which associate GPS position with the city name. Does someone know where this association is done? | 15:38 |
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| w00t | last time I dropped mine I ..oh, wait, I don't have one yet >:( | 15:38 |
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| pupnik_ | neutron-phone | 15:38 |
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| MerkurAlex | w00t,same :( | 15:38 |
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| lcuk | :( w00t | 15:38 |
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| pupnik_ | yannj: what bug? | 15:38 |
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| pupnik_ | i publically apologise for dropping it | 15:39 |
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| yannj | pupnik_ : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6359 | 15:39 |
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| povbot | Bug 6359: Geolocation gives the wrong country | 15:39 |
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| lcuk | lol pupnik_ | 15:39 |
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| MerkurAlex | hahaha | 15:39 |
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| lcuk | dropping your n900 could be catastrophic, people are worrying about the LHC making mini black holes | 15:39 |
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| lcuk | they should be worried about n900s | 15:39 |
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| lcuk | yikes yannj | 15:39 |
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| lcuk | its not the wrong country, its the country where it will end up if you drop it | 15:40 |
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| yannj | The fact is I really would like to be in Tahiti instead of france... but ...;-) | 15:40 |
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| pupnik_ | LMAO | 15:40 |
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| RST38h | n900 is the first step in the Apocalypse plan | 15:40 |
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| RST38h | when you rotate the name, it looks like 006n | 15:40 |
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| MerkurAlex | LOL | 15:40 |
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| Stskeeps | so next one is n999? | 15:40 |
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| RST38h | They are going to release n990, then n999, and the world will end | 15:40 |
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| w00t | 007 would have been leeter | 15:40 |
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| lcuk | 600u | 15:41 |
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| yannj | lcuk : you mean the antipode? | 15:41 |
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| range | L00n? | 15:41 |
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| * lcuk palmfaces | 15:41 |
| RST38h | w00t: that would have to be nLOO though | 15:41 |
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| pupnik_ | hmm n is ascii 117 | 15:41 |
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| w00t | RST38h: at least you have a device you can legitimately use while on the toilet | 15:41 |
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| w00t | "i'm just on the loo, done in a minute" | 15:41 |
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| pupnik_ | and 006n , well since it's upside down, that's supposed to represent -006 + n | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | didnt the early models have n00 on them | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | i kept wanting to scratch a b at the end | 15:41 |
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| pupnik_ | * 6 | 15:41 |
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| pupnik_ | which = 666 when viewed rightside up | 15:42 |
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| pupnik_ | so yes, numerology is the powerful tool to unlock the secrets of the universe | 15:42 |
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| pupnik_ | sorry ph5 | 15:42 |
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| lcuk | and helping nicolas cage save the world | 15:44 |
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| yannj | benjamin gates reference? | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | no, "Knowing" | 15:45 |
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| lcuk | i tohught windows had a lot of updates. ubuntu just gave me 125 updates | 15:45 |
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| MerkurAlex | lol ubuntu is win | 15:45 |
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| MerkurAlex | don't question it | 15:45 |
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| lcuk | im not | 15:45 |
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| MerkurAlex | win != windows :D | 15:46 |
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| lcuk | oooh it needs to restart too | 15:46 |
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| lcuk | it really does wanna be windows | 15:46 |
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| javispedro | :) | 15:46 |
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| MerkurAlex | lol | 15:46 |
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| yannj | regarding to the geolocation, has anyone else experienced the same issue? | 15:48 |
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| yannj | (I mean before to drop ...) | 15:49 |
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| lcukn900 | ive been lost | 15:49 |
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| lcukn900 | without a lock | 15:49 |
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| lcukn900 | and it spent time cached showing amsterdam until it foumd out i was in cambridge | 15:50 |
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| lcuk | when it found out it was in cambridge it spent its merry time downloading tho | 15:50 |
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| yannj | so you travelled from amsterdam to cambridge at light speed | 15:51 |
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| lcuk | no, i just didnt open maps after amsterdam | 15:51 |
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| lcuk | until i went to cambridge | 15:51 |
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| yannj | .... less fun | 15:51 |
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| MerkurAlex | lol | 15:52 |
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| yannj | is there a way to preload maps? | 15:52 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 15:52 |
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| lcuk | just a mo | 15:52 |
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| lcuk | ill find link | 15:52 |
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| yannj | tks | 15:52 |
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| lcuk | http://handphone-solution.blogspot.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html | 15:53 |
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| lcuk | just go find the country or region you need | 15:53 |
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| lcuk | put em in the right place and it will use them | 15:53 |
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| woglinde | hi lcuk | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | hiya woglinde \o | 15:55 |
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| Mozillion | how do I enable ssh for user@<myn900>.. I've installed openssh-server-client, have created ~/.ssh/authorized_keys with the correct fpr in it and verified .ssh and .ssh/authorized_keys perms | 15:56 |
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| Mozillion | still ssh user@<myn900> prompts for a password | 15:56 |
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| yannj | ok.. I wonder if I have to download France or Tahiti | 15:56 |
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| Mozillion | ssh root@<myn900> seems to work using the password I provided on install of openssh-server.. but I don't want to login as root | 15:57 |
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| pupnik_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain | 16:04 |
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| pupnik_ | flag to lcuk | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | thank you pupnik_ :) | 16:06 |
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| lcuk | Mozillion, urg dunno, i think it just worked for me last time i tried | 16:10 |
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| yannj | Is there a way to get the code of the photo app? | 16:21 |
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| pupnik_ | lcuk: i think we found whoever wrote that blog is the guy who promoted pulseaudio | 16:22 |
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| pupnik_ | that wiki page i mean | 16:24 |
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| pupnik_ | :) not quite serious about that, but i sure would like to ask the proponents some pointed questions | 16:24 |
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| yannj | Ok, I found the library which handles the GPS coord <=> city mapping : libcityinfo | 16:25 |
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| lcuk | indeed yannj | 16:25 |
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| yannj | and the reason is : Country code!!!!! | 16:26 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, the other night when we were talking fluid dynamics, you mentioned using a grid - you meant like this didnt you http://www.newscientist.com/gallery/aps-physics-fluid-dynamics/6 | 16:26 |
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| yannj | Tahiti is owned by france so it should share the same country code | 16:26 |
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| lbt | anyone else had any feedback on the community video upload thing? | 16:26 |
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| lbt | ooh, fluid dynamics ... :) | 16:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Computational fluid dynamics involves computing the states of voxels, which may be cuboidal or other shapes | 16:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | A moderately significant part of the problem of computing flow past structures is appropriately gridding the flow. | 16:27 |
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| lbt | was doing that ~15yrs ago for groundwater flow for radiological dispersion at Sellafield | 16:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | So that it does not misrepresent the flow conditions by being too coarse, or use too much computation by being too fine | 16:27 |
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| lbt | turned out to be harder to model a jet for a jacuzzi though ;) | 16:28 |
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| pupnik_ | nice job yannj | 16:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | In this case 'grid' may not be a rectiliniar grid, but it may be a mesh of assorted geometries. | 16:28 |
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| pupnik_ | ask france to pay for updating that useless data | 16:28 |
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| pupnik_ | rather the french govt | 16:28 |
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| * SpeedEvil wants to do CFD of something. | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | But hypersonic gas dynamics is hard. | 16:29 |
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| lbt | partially submerged jacuzzi jet with power assisted air inlet | 16:29 |
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| derf | Anything with shocks is hard. | 16:29 |
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| pupnik_ | lbt i was talking about the technique that first appeared on PCs with 'clouds' - winamp, goom, cthugha, etc | 16:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | (On my todo list is a 4 stage orbital rocket with a 1Kg payload for under 10K launch cost.) | 16:29 |
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| pupnik_ | that would be the greatest project in a long time | 16:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, have you seen liqflow | 16:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | But I have no funding. | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | it doesnt quite take stuff into space | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | but its pretty | 16:31 |
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| lbt | Mozillion: did you sort it out? | 16:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I have no n800/900 yet | 16:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: so no | 16:31 |
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| yannj | pupnik_ : we pay enough taxes to pay something more :p | 16:32 |
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| * Flandry peeks in and sees computational fluid dynamics discussion and pops out | 16:34 |
| Mozillion | lbt: uhm no | 16:35 |
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| Mozillion | tried to find some logs (like auth.log) but there aren't any | 16:35 |
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| lcuk | Flandry, dont be afraid :) | 16:36 |
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| lcuk | love the variety in this chan | 16:37 |
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| lbt | Mozillion: so is it prompting for a pw ? | 16:37 |
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| pupnik_ | I wonder what fights at nokia ensued over this eq and pulseaudio stuff | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | hey david | 16:37 |
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| lbt | garry? | 16:37 |
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| Mozillion | lbt: | 16:37 |
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| Mozillion | lbt: yeah | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | -r | 16:37 |
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| Mozillion | lbt: usually it means that something like authorized_keys is not mode 644 or something | 16:37 |
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| Flandry | well i was on my soapbox about water and energy sustainability last night, but fluid dynamics isn't my cup of tea | 16:37 |
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| Mozillion | but hard to check without logs | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | eithout fluid dynamics you wouldnt have a cup of tea | 16:38 |
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| lbt | Mozillion: ssh -v <device> | 16:38 |
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| Flandry | sure i would :P | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | prove it | 16:38 |
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| Flandry | i don't have to be able to virtually boil water to do it in real life | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | using equations | 16:38 |
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| Flandry | thank God | 16:38 |
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| Flandry | anyway i don't like tea either :D | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | :D | 16:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Flandry: Without CFD you wouldn't have good weather forecasts. Which are used somewhat by the tea industry. | 16:39 |
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| Mozillion | lbt: yeah, so the publickey auth method is tried but not successful, so it proceeds with method password | 16:39 |
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| pupnik_ | for e.g. many things in gstreamer now appear to be running in dsp. why is pulse taking such a big chunk? why isnt xprot on dsp? or eq in hw? the questions they will not leave me alone! ;) | 16:39 |
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| * Flandry lives in Boston, and has never seen a good weather forcast. | 16:39 |
| lbt | .ssh is 700 ? | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | boston tea party? | 16:39 |
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| Flandry | bit before my time | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | and i live in manchester, i can beat your bad weather forecast history | 16:40 |
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| lbt | how did you get the .pub key into authorized_keys2 ? | 16:40 |
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| pupnik_ | i picture someone saying "what do you want, pizza?" ... yes lbt | 16:40 |
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| lcuk | oh, sorry in 1977 there was a sunny spell | 16:40 |
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| Flandry | i thought you'd understand | 16:40 |
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| lcuk | lasted about 30 mins | 16:40 |
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| Mozillion | lbt: yep | 16:41 |
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| lbt | sec, my wifi won't connect | 16:41 |
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| lbt | it's been dodgy since I flashed retail | 16:42 |
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| Flandry | maybe someone on now can help me out. I'd like to get some code added to the maemo libsdl but can't figured out who/how to contact about it | 16:42 |
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| Mozillion | it has been dodgy here since I got it | 16:42 |
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| Mozillion | sometimes need over 10 attempts to connect | 16:42 |
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| Mozillion | although changing the channel from 9 to 3 seems to have helped a lot | 16:42 |
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| Flandry | the maintainer field is just debian people | 16:42 |
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| lbt | used to be flawless | 16:42 |
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| lbt | Flandry: I know - this is the problem for packages in extras-devel ... they should have a maemo contact | 16:43 |
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| yannj | Now...have to find where country code are stored | 16:43 |
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| Flandry | is it in extras-devel? | 16:44 |
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| lbt | reboot - wifi connects first time | 16:44 |
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| lbt | Flandry: libsdl - weren't you discussing that last night with qwerty12_N900 | 16:44 |
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| Flandry | uh not afaik | 16:45 |
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| Flandry | i asked about it last night but no one really could help out | 16:45 |
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| Flandry | i think gan900 was the only one on who responded | 16:45 |
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| Flandry | and that was just to say that Maemo is Nokia | 16:45 |
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| lbt | Flandry: ah, it was sdl-ttf | 16:46 |
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| lbt | Mozillion: user is disabled with a ! in /etc/passwd | 16:51 |
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| Mozillion | indeed! | 16:51 |
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| lbt | give user a pw and it'll work | 16:51 |
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| Mozillion | just found that out at the same time :) | 16:51 |
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| Flandry | lol wtf was that about | 16:51 |
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| lbt | Mozillion: or change to *, not ! | 16:53 |
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| Mozillion | that's a better idea actuall | 16:54 |
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| Mozillion | y | 16:54 |
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| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/28/qigis-smartbook-is-more-like-a-winmo-6-5-powered-mid/ | 16:54 |
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| RST38h | Hm, Nokia seems to be the onyly one making fuss about "mobile computers" | 16:54 |
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| jaska | .. claiming something running symbian as one.. lol | 16:55 |
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| RST38h | that is "multimedia computer", as someone corrected me =) | 16:55 |
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| Flandry | why is it so ridiculously hard to find different parts of maemo from m.o | 16:56 |
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| RST38h | What do you mean by different parts? | 16:57 |
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| Flandry | packages rep, garage, gitorious etc | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | ah that | 16:57 |
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| lbt | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/ | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | because nobody ever fixed the Development section | 16:58 |
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| Flandry | or any useful documentation | 16:58 |
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| Flandry | for that matter :D | 16:58 |
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| yannj | is there a svn repository for sources from Nokia? | 16:58 |
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| lbt | why would there be? | 16:58 |
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| lbt | svn <shudder> | 16:58 |
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| Flandry | better than nothing | 16:58 |
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| lbt | is it? | 16:59 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | stage is still used for some things, like GTK :p | 16:59 |
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| * lbt prefers an rss feed from a dev keyb to svn | 16:59 |
| yannj | on the libcityinfo it is written : | 17:00 |
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| yannj | All source code is stored in subversion repository fmca, subdirectory Clock, component cityinfo. | 17:00 |
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| yannj | oops | 17:00 |
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| RST38h | Flandry: When this layout was being designed, I proposed a new layout and even made a sample, but they ignored me | 17:02 |
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| Flandry | Time for my daily RFT (request for testers): http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/uqm/0.6.7-0maemo/ | 17:02 |
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| Flandry | Well what there is now is fail | 17:02 |
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| Flandry | not sure there's a link to m.o/packages anywhere | 17:03 |
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| Flandry | or, there probably is, but it's obscure | 17:03 |
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| Flandry | they should make that "Intro" tab into something more useful and add a few more to the bar | 17:04 |
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| Flandry | i proposed a few things myself | 17:04 |
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| Flandry | hmm there's both a libsdl-13 and a libsdl1.3 in packages :/ | 17:06 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 17:06 |
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| Flandry | hello | 17:07 |
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| Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 <<< still require some votes :) | 17:09 |
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| Khertan | Still no news of DDP ? | 17:10 |
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| * Khertan is just fearing that they charge my credit card at the worst moment ... after christmas bought :) | 17:11 |
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| kirma | is there some sort of "how to hack preinstalled software" guide for maemo5? | 17:11 |
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| kirma | well, it might be relatively debian-specific stuff... but not on all aspects. | 17:12 |
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| Khertan | kirma: depends, what are you trying to do ? | 17:12 |
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| kirma | I'm not trying to do anything specific at the moment, but interested in patching the open source packages supplied with device in general, adding experimental features and such | 17:13 |
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| Flandry | it is possible to develop on the device | 17:19 |
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| Flandry | you'd have to grab the source package and then rebuild the package | 17:19 |
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| Flandry | or some of the apps have a RCS | 17:20 |
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| crashanddie | Flandry, sure you can develop | 17:20 |
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| Khertan | flandry> of course ... and there is a nice source code editor in extras-testing waiting for votes : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 | 17:20 |
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| crashanddie | Flandry, some apps have been developed exclusively on the device itself | 17:20 |
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| Khertan | like -> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 | 17:21 |
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| crashanddie | Flandry, also, Khertan wrote that ;) | 17:21 |
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| Flandry | i'm talking to Kirma | 17:21 |
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| Flandry | talk to him... | 17:21 |
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| Khertan | ok i stop the advert :) | 17:21 |
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| Khertan | hi crashanddie | 17:21 |
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| crashanddie | yo Khertan | 17:21 |
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| crashanddie | como vach? | 17:21 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: alles ist gut | 17:21 |
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| kynky | apt-get install nano , no worky | 17:21 |
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| Khertan | und du, wie geht's ? | 17:21 |
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| Khertan | kynky: apt-get install pygtkeditor :) | 17:22 |
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| kynky | nano is ncurses | 17:22 |
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| kynky | didnt try pico though | 17:23 |
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| crashanddie | estic be, gracies | 17:23 |
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| Khertan | kynky: yep ... bugs #1 in nano is ncurse | 17:23 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan, em vaig mudar a australia! | 17:23 |
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| kynky | lol, i like ncurses, i like apps that work in screen | 17:23 |
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| ShadowJK_ | screen and nano missing from extras :) | 17:24 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: wait ... i m launching pygoogletranslator | 17:24 |
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| ShadowJK_ | emacs and vim available though.. | 17:24 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan, je demenage en australie mec! | 17:24 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: oh serieux ? | 17:24 |
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| crashanddie | yep | 17:24 |
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| yannj | tu parles français? | 17:24 |
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| kynky | emacs is massive, and ive been to lazy to learn vim properly, although vi comes preinstalled, i just used that | 17:24 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: tu vas faire quoi la bas ? nouveau jobs ? | 17:25 |
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| Khertan | yannj: yep :) | 17:25 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan, j'ai recu une promotion, je deviens principal tech lead pour asie et pacifique ;) | 17:25 |
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| yannj | ok, vous êtes de france? | 17:25 |
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| Khertan | kynky: i was using vi for writing the first line of PyGTKEditor ;) | 17:25 |
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| Khertan | yannj: yep | 17:25 |
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| crashanddie | yannj, j'ai vecu 10 ans en france, perpignan, khertan est un parigo | 17:25 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: félicitations !!! | 17:25 |
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| kynky | ich habe eine langes chlange | 17:25 |
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| Khertan | ardennais | 17:26 |
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| kynky | ich habe eine lange schlange | 17:26 |
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| yannj | ah ben il est pas loin de moi (à côté de versailles) | 17:26 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan, toi ardennais? Et mon cul c'est du poulet, t'en veux une aile? | 17:26 |
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| Khertan | bon a la base ... now j'ai une maison dans le nord nord de paris :) | 17:26 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: héhé | 17:26 |
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| kynky | dammit, thats like the only german i know, didnt know the german word sorry, for the girl i told that too, who started to get really upset | 17:26 |
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| Macer | haha | 17:26 |
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| Khertan | hihi | 17:26 |
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| yannj | nord nord de paris = Picardie? | 17:27 |
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| Khertan | yannj: yep ... a 30m de la frontiere de la seine et marne ... à 15 min de meaux :) | 17:27 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan, merci, donc voila, demain je me casse en californie pour 3 semaines, ensuite je retourne a perpignan pendant 2-3 semaines, et apres retour a londres et on prepare le demenagement... beaucoup de boulot | 17:27 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: tu m'etonne ... par container par bateau j'imagine ... | 17:28 |
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| kynky | bon bon | 17:28 |
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| crashanddie | 'fin, j'ai pas 3 gosses et une femme a demenager non plus, donc de ce cote la cava, mais c'est insane tous les visas, papiers et machins | 17:28 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: ah ouais ... j'avais jamais pensé au coté paperasse ... ca doit etre bien relou | 17:28 |
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| yannj | crashanddie, Khertan : vous aussi vous avez remarqué le bug avec la geoloc sur maemo? | 17:28 |
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| kirma | Flandry: welll. anyway, I suppose there's no "guide" for the task... ;) | 17:29 |
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| Khertan | yannj: which bugs , | 17:29 |
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| Khertan | yannj: ? | 17:29 |
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| crashanddie | j'ai le droit de te degouter? J'ai passe moins de 2 ans en angleterre, donc je viens de remplir de la paperasserie pour recuperer toutes les taxes que j'ai paye... Grossomerdo entre 8 et 14k... | 17:29 |
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| yannj | essaye de geolocalisé une photo , il te dis que tu es à tahiti : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6359 | 17:29 |
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| povbot | Bug 6359: Geolocation gives the wrong country | 17:29 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: GRRRRRRRRRR !!!! | 17:29 |
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| crashanddie | thanks povbot | 17:29 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: :) | 17:29 |
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| Khertan | yannj: lol | 17:30 |
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| yannj | ça marche comment ce truc? | 17:30 |
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| Khertan | yannj: a vrai dire j'ai jamais essayé de geoloc une photo en france ... | 17:30 |
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| Khertan | yannj: j'ai geoloc mes photos a amsterdam ... mais jamais en france :) | 17:31 |
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| yannj | lol | 17:31 |
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| yannj | vous bossez dans quoi | 17:31 |
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| crashanddie | expert en securite pour banques et gouvernements | 17:31 |
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| Khertan | expert en développement a la con dans une petite boite :) | 17:31 |
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| yannj | lol | 17:31 |
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| yannj | un peu pareil que moi alors | 17:32 |
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| Khertan | :) | 17:32 |
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| yannj | le "à la con " en moins | 17:32 |
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| yannj | lol | 17:32 |
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| Khertan | chef de project / developpeur dans une petite société de conception de software de gestion pour les agence immobilieres (boite situé a issy les moulineaux) | 17:33 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: ca va te changer du climat londonnien l'australie ... :) | 17:33 |
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| yannj | ok, moi je fais de la R&D pour une entreprise spécialisé dans la mesure de QoE en particulier pour les opérateurs | 17:33 |
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| Khertan | QoE ? | 17:33 |
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| Khertan | Quality of Emission ? | 17:34 |
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| crashanddie | experience | 17:34 |
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| Khertan | :) | 17:34 |
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| crashanddie | ou Queen of England | 17:34 |
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| yannj | lo | 17:34 |
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| yannj | l | 17:34 |
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| yannj | Quality Of Experience | 17:34 |
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| yannj | mais la mesure de queen of england...beurk | 17:34 |
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| crashanddie | traduction, c'est yannj dans le pub de verizon "Can you hear me now?" | 17:35 |
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| Khertan | :) | 17:35 |
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| yannj | lol | 17:35 |
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| Khertan | yannj: qu'est ce qui ta ammené sur Maemo ? | 17:35 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuNmIJSn5Kg | 17:36 |
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| yannj | pas envie d'avoir un iPhone fermé et de suivre le business model de la firme agricole | 17:36 |
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| Khertan | arf | 17:36 |
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| yannj | et puis je cherchais un tel de bonne qualité sur lequel je peux mettre mes applis sans payer 100$ | 17:37 |
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| Khertan | perso à l'epoque des palm tx (quand le miens a rendu l'ame) je voulais un appareil sur lequel je puisse faire du dev embarqué ... et j'ai hésité entre un sharp zaurus et le n900 | 17:37 |
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| Khertan | s/n900/n800 | 17:37 |
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| Flandry | so libsdl1.2 is in SDK and root filesystem and has no maintainer http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsdl1.2 | 17:37 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: Cette vidéo n'est pas disponible dans votre pays en raison de restrictions sur les droits d'auteur. | 17:38 |
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| yannj | ben là j'ai acheté le n900 et c'est vraiment bin | 17:38 |
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| crashanddie | rhooo | 17:38 |
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| Khertan | youtube powa :) | 17:38 |
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| Khertan | yannj: ah oui je confirme ... :) | 17:38 |
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| Flandry | wtf do i do to contribute to it | 17:38 |
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| javispedro | Flandry: maintainer is "nokia". what do you want to do? | 17:38 |
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| yannj | la je voudrai porté PPTP client pour utiliser Ipredator... | 17:38 |
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| Khertan | yannj: haha :) | 17:38 |
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| Flandry | i want to add the accelerometer as a joystick driver | 17:39 |
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| Khertan | yannj: shouldn't be too difficult | 17:39 |
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| wazd | Je mapelle Andre, je fais mes etudes a l'ecole 1259 :D | 17:39 |
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| Khertan | wazd: 1259 ... unknow school | 17:39 |
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| javispedro | Flandry: file a feature request in b.m.o | 17:39 |
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| yannj | Khertan : I think the most difficult would be to recompile the kernel module | 17:40 |
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| Khertan | Flandry: and send your patch :) | 17:40 |
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| yannj | and to make the GUI | 17:40 |
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| wazd | Khertan: that's basically all I remeber in french :D | 17:40 |
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| Flandry | ok. Think the chances of them adding it are reasonable? | 17:40 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Nope | 17:40 |
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| javispedro | Flandry: right now, no. | 17:40 |
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| javispedro | but getting the ball rolling is always good :) | 17:40 |
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| Flandry | Also, is that something that would show up as an update on HAM or would it have to be part of the firmware | 17:41 |
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| Khertan | yannj: the module should not be too difficult to recompile ... the most difficult part will be to install scratchbox :) | 17:41 |
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| yannj | I did in a VM | 17:41 |
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| javispedro | and we can get a list of bugs to add to libsdl1.3 which is not going to be a system lib. | 17:41 |
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| javispedro | s/bugs/fixes ;) | 17:41 |
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| Flandry | :) | 17:41 |
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| yannj | next step will be to write a "tweet deck" like from N900 | 17:41 |
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| yannj | for* | 17:41 |
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| Flandry | aren't some of the better parts of sdl1.3 proprietary? | 17:41 |
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| javispedro | "better parts"? I am interested in the compat layer and multiple windows support mostly :) | 17:42 |
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| Flandry | well, new stuff | 17:42 |
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| Flandry | multi mouse support | 17:42 |
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| Flandry | i think | 17:43 |
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| Khertan | yannj: what is tweet deck ? | 17:43 |
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| Flandry | ie multitouch | 17:43 |
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| Khertan | http://www.tweetdeck.com/beta/ <--- that ? | 17:43 |
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| yannj | khertan : yes.... | 17:43 |
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| javispedro | Flandry: never read about that | 17:43 |
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| * Khertan still didn't understand why everybody is exposing their life on social network | 17:44 |
| * Khertan didn't see any interest in social network | 17:44 |
| Flandry | huh http://sdl.org/ is joomla oO | 17:44 |
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| javispedro | Khertan: they've been brainwashed. | 17:44 |
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| yannj | Khertan : I don't use it as blog, but to follow some interesting things like CNN Breaking news | 17:44 |
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| lorelei^ | Khertan: social pressure... | 17:44 |
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| Firebird | Flandry, libsdl.org ...? | 17:45 |
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| Flandry | http://www.galaxygameworks.com/ | 17:45 |
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| Khertan | yannj: i'm using rss for following news | 17:45 |
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| Khertan | :) | 17:45 |
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| Flandry | i guess i was wrong | 17:45 |
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| Flandry | it's iphone and embedded device support that's commercial | 17:45 |
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| Flandry | good to know | 17:46 |
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| yannj | Khertan : I know... but I also follow some people | 17:46 |
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| yannj | F*ck my software partition is quite full | 17:47 |
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| Flandry | anyway, would you like to access the accelerometer as an sdl joystick? | 17:47 |
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| Flandry | or is adding that to sdl pointless | 17:47 |
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| Khertan | yannj: http://khertan.net/2009/10/not-enought-space-on-device/ | 17:47 |
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| javispedro | IMHO the hard part is doing anything useful with the accelerometer data | 17:47 |
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| Flandry | it would work best if it was frequently polled and smoothed, and then passed as axis events | 17:48 |
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| javispedro | well if it's smoothing it's already doing something useful :) | 17:48 |
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| Flandry | could act as an analog one-stick joystick that way | 17:48 |
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| yannj | khertan : Nice, I installed fenec yesterday , they put everything in /usr/local/fennec-1.0b5/ | 17:49 |
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| yannj | had to move and symlink | 17:49 |
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| yannj | Khertan : c'est quoi ton opérateur? | 17:50 |
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| Khertan | yannj: est sait pas faire : sfr | 17:51 |
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| Khertan | yannj: yep fennec isn't optified yet | 17:51 |
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| ShadowJK_ | is python optified these days? | 17:53 |
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| GAN900 | Khertan, it just was. | 17:53 |
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| lizardo | ShadowJK_: yes | 17:53 |
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| GAN900 | ShadowJK_, that one too. | 17:53 |
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| Khertan | ShadowJK_: yep but don't know if it s available yet in extras-testing | 17:53 |
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| Khertan | ShadowJK_: package pymaemo-optify | 17:53 |
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| yannj | Khertan : ben j'utilise fennec à cause de SFR, impossible de changer le user agent du coup je peux pas utiliser le navig de base | 17:54 |
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| Khertan | but before installing it i suggest you to remove python-gdata before and reinstall after ... i got some strang things on gdata | 17:54 |
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| Khertan | yannj: ah ... mais si :) | 17:54 |
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| ShadowJK_ | I don't have python installed right now | 17:54 |
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| yannj | Khertan : how? | 17:55 |
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| Khertan | yannj: in microb just go to about:config | 17:55 |
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| yannj | I did | 17:55 |
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| Khertan | yannj : validate the warning ... | 17:55 |
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| yannj | also did | 17:55 |
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| Khertan | look in the field for user | 17:55 |
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| Khertan | change it ... for Nokian900 for example | 17:55 |
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| Khertan | and it s work | 17:55 |
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| yannj | I did | 17:55 |
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| Khertan | but it s not permanent | 17:55 |
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| yannj | yes! | 17:55 |
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| Khertan | you need to do it each time you restart the browser | 17:56 |
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| Khertan | for a permanent solution just add a user.js file | 17:56 |
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| yannj | ok.. | 17:56 |
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| yannj | I tried to change prefs.us | 17:56 |
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| yannj | j* | 17:56 |
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| Khertan | yannj: http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file | 17:56 |
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| Khertan | prefs.js is rewrite at runtime by internal preferences of microb | 17:57 |
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| Khertan | yep sfr sucks | 17:57 |
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| Khertan | they detect the string firefox in the user agent | 17:57 |
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| Khertan | the other solution i use on n810 is privoxy setting a false user agent | 17:58 |
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| Khertan | the advantage of using privoxy is also to ban advert :) | 17:58 |
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| Khertan | but it s not available yet for Fremantle | 17:59 |
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| Khertan | ... need to do some works at home ... | 18:00 |
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| Khertan | see you later ... bye | 18:00 |
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| GAN900 | AdBlock is in Extras | 18:00 |
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| Flandry | So how do i handle it if my app wants the sdl version that supports accelerometer-joystick. Could i upload an alternative libsdl1.2 to depend on? | 18:00 |
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| Khertan | and do not forget to vote for : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 | 18:00 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Khertan: I voted. Love it :) | 18:01 |
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| Khertan | GAN900: the advantage of privoxy is that the rss reader is also blocked in diablo due to the useragent and sfr ... but there isn't any way to change the user agent ... so i use privoxy to do it :) | 18:01 |
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| Khertan | qwerty12_N900: thx | 18:01 |
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| Khertan | qwerty12_N900: the next release will be faster i hope for parsing the first time a large file ... i m working on optimizing it | 18:02 |
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| * qwerty12_N900 nods :) | 18:02 |
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| Khertan | qwerty12_N900: anyway if you have any requests, suggestions , patch feel free to comment on my web site (http://khertan.net/2009/11/pygtkeditor-3-0-0-is-availaible-in-extras-testing-repository/) or filled a bug to b.m.o | 18:03 |
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| Khertan | bye | 18:03 |
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| yannj | Khertan : can microb handle xhtml+xml?? | 18:04 |
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| Khertan | i ve some works to do in my home ... like finish the floor at the first stair ... | 18:04 |
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| Khertan | yannj: depends what you mean by handle but as it use gecko as rendering engine ... it should :) | 18:04 |
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| yannj | like to read the wap.sdp.sfr.fr | 18:04 |
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| Khertan | it s not xhtml ... but wml | 18:05 |
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| Khertan | and no microb doesn't handle wml | 18:05 |
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| Khertan | bye | 18:05 |
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| yannj | if the user agent is NokiaN95 it is xhtml+xml, bye | 18:06 |
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| yannj | I just want to get TV... | 18:06 |
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| lardman | call me lard-scrouge if you will, but I hate all the xmas shoppers getting in my way in town on a Saturday | 18:15 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | lard-scrouge, have a gun for Christmas | 18:15 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: debhelper 7 missing is due to scratchbox overriding it. | 18:15 |
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| lardman | mmmm | 18:15 |
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| lardman | I'd quite like one of those Chinese pikes with a blade on the end | 18:15 |
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| lardman | scythe my way through the peasants | 18:16 |
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| lardman | timeless: you about? | 18:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | yep | 18:16 |
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| lardman | timeless: is that your Paris favourite bug on the ml atm? | 18:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | url? | 18:16 |
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| lardman | dunno, in my inbox | 18:16 |
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| lardman | called "[libcityinfo issue] Where is the cities databases located?" | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6359 | 18:17 |
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| povbot | Bug 6359: Geolocation gives the wrong country | 18:17 |
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| lardman | yep, that too | 18:17 |
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| * timeless_mbp rotfl | 18:17 |
| GAN900 | lardman, hater. | 18:17 |
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| lardman | I like Xmas, just not the meandering | 18:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | lardman: so, that sounds like the ovi reverse dns services are drunk | 18:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | i've only rarely complained about them being bad | 18:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | e.g. returning 'null', 'undefined' to Maps | 18:19 |
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| lardman | interesting, is it just using the db, or is it a proper geolocation service? | 18:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's a service | 18:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you go to settings>gps | 18:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | you'll see the hostname | 18:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh wow | 18:20 |
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| lardman | has he mixed things up then? | 18:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | you're right, i'm wrong | 18:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, if he actually managed to fix it by mucking w/ clock | 18:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | that means we can fix all the other bugs | 18:20 |
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| lardman | I presumed the photo tagging used a service, but the liblocation app was just used for the world time app? | 18:20 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 18:20 |
| * timeless_mbp wtfs | 18:21 |
| *** GNUton-BNC is now known as gnuton | 18:21 |
| crashanddie | ffs, answer a few questions on tmo and have people sending you PMs on how to get roms for the emulators | 18:21 |
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| RST38h | ...thanks to sites like the student-run CollegeACB.com (ACB=Anonymous Confession Board), which can get hundreds of thousands of hits on a good day, TIME reports that anonymous slander is going viral on campus. | 18:21 |
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| lardman | gnuton: I have a quesiton for you | 18:21 |
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| lardman | gnuton: why does iirc qt4-dev alter the qemu method of the sb target | 18:22 |
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| lardman | ? | 18:22 |
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| gnuton | hi lardman. | 18:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | lardman: note that i have 0 working n900s handy atm | 18:22 |
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| lardman | hey | 18:22 |
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| gnuton | lardman: it was true just for Diablo | 18:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | so i can't play around | 18:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | lardman: but, could you try to fix Augusta, ME for me? | 18:22 |
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| lardman | gnuton: yeah, I was trying a diablo build | 18:22 |
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| RST38h | Mhm...The UMD board is pretty boring, 99% frats. | 18:23 |
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| lardman | timeless_mbp: : how? | 18:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | assuming it's this /usr/share/clock/wdb | 18:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | currently Augusta, ME is at the GPS coords for Augusta, GA | 18:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | so... move it north ;-) | 18:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | (maybe a bit east too...) | 18:23 |
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| lardman | is wdb flat text? | 18:23 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders when a proper caching map sw comes along for maemo | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | according to comment 5 it is | 18:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | again, i'm kinda short on devices :) | 18:24 |
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| RST38h | Sts: What is the probability that Gnuite is working exactly on that? | 18:24 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: how are the builds of maemo-mapper coming along? | 18:24 |
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| plr_ | hmm, anyone else having trouble using google.reader with n900 default browser? the scrolling doesn't seem to work properly. probably because of the framea | 18:24 |
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| ShadowJK_ | ovi maps doesn't cache? | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: no sure, last time i tried it crashed hard. that said, my /home/user was owned by root last time. | 18:24 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: I also hear that libchamplain will start caching soon, so that will mean emerillon with cache also | 18:24 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: It's another guy porting Maemo Mapper to Fremantle. Gnuite has gone to the dark side =) | 18:25 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs @bug 6300 | 18:25 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6300 :/ in http:// is converted into an emoticon in some cases | 18:25 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N900: do you know who it is? | 18:25 |
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| ShadowJK_ | timeless_mbp: congrats on the browser, it's about the only thing so far that doesn't annoy me ;) | 18:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK_: thanks | 18:25 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Yes, ubut you know, the dark side has got a maps app on its own... nAnd Gnuite looks like a good match... | 18:25 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | lardman: No idea, but he posted on Talk once | 18:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | btw, if you use gmail, i suggest mail/x or mail/h | 18:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | otherwise be sure to visit browser options and turn off disable background js | 18:25 |
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| lardman | timeless_mbp: what do you want me to change it to then? | 18:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | lardman: um | 18:26 |
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| * GAN900 had temporarily forgotten what high-humidity winters were like. | 18:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Augusta, Maine is at coordinates 44°19′25″N 69°45′55″W / 44.323535°N 69.765261°W / 44.323535; -69.765261 (Augusta, Maine)Coordinates: 44°19′25″N ... | 18:26 |
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| * lardman wonders which states ME and GA are? | 18:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Maine, Georgia | 18:26 |
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| lardman | k | 18:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | lardman: after you fix that, if it works | 18:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | i have a bunch of others to change | 18:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, and please keep a backup | 18:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | because when you're done, i want to write a perl script-package to fix other people's db's :) | 18:27 |
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| Flandry | still wondering about the acceptability of uploading custom builds of libsdl for a package to depend on. Is that kosher? | 18:27 |
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| lardman | well send me a list if you want, I'll have to pull it over to my pc and edit there | 18:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | Flandry: if a package is owned by the os | 18:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | then ham will not let it work | 18:27 |
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| lardman | no promises on how quick I'll get it donw though | 18:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | you'd need a new deb package name | 18:28 |
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| gnuton | lardman: that was necessary because we built Qt with some armv6 specific g++ optimizations | 18:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | and a new file path | 18:28 |
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| Flandry | i wouldn't call it libsdl1.2 | 18:28 |
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| Flandry | hmm yeah i'd have to change a lot :/ | 18:28 |
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| lardman | gnuton: it's just that for those of us building diablo stuff in the fremantle sb, we don't have that qemu | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/28/archos-releases-developer-edition-firmware-for-internet-tablets/ - hell must be freezing over. | 18:29 |
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| Flandry | :O | 18:29 |
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| Flandry | april 1st today? | 18:29 |
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| Stskeeps | seemingily not | 18:30 |
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| RST38h | There is now a prebuilt .deb file for Fremantle Maemo Mapper 2.6.2 | 18:30 |
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| lardman | oh cool, where is it? | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=4345&forum_id=72 | 18:31 |
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| lardman | anyone know of a tv listings app for the tablets? | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.archos.com/support/support_tech/updates.html bottom | 18:31 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: wrong one, but looks quite cool anyway | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:32 |
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| lardman | RST38h: thanks | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | 1. By installing the Special Developer Edition firmware on a device, it will forever loose the capability of playing DRM (digital right management) protected content even if I restore it later to a legacy ARCHOS firmware. | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 18:32 |
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| lcuk | "forever" | 18:32 |
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| RST38h | Foreva, man! | 18:32 |
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| trevor13 | hi everybody | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | still, archos 5 and 7 open | 18:33 |
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| RST38h | its corporate virginity is gonna be lost foreva | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | that's a bit amazing :P | 18:33 |
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| trevor13 | I want to play Quake 3 on my N900 How can i do ? | 18:33 |
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| trevor13 | where can i download quake 3 for my N900? | 18:33 |
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| RST38h | App Manager | 18:34 |
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| RST38h | Games | 18:34 |
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| derf | lardman: Don't they make websites for that sort of thing? | 18:34 |
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| RST38h | Install Open Arena | 18:34 |
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| Robot101 | Stskeeps: it deletes its drm keys? | 18:34 |
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| RST38h | And Quake3 | 18:34 |
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| lardman | derf: yeah, but I'm after something lightweight | 18:34 |
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| RST38h | ah, hello derf | 18:34 |
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| lardman | derf: probably one somewhere tho yes | 18:34 |
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| Stskeeps | Robot101: yeah | 18:34 |
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| wazd | Archos accidentally developer firmware | 18:34 |
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| derf | Moo RST38h. | 18:34 |
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| lardman | they are still pretty expensive aren't they? Archos 7s? | 18:35 |
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| lardman | Probably much cheaper to get a SmartQ V7 to watch movies on | 18:35 |
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| Robot101 | arggh | 18:35 |
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| Flandry | lardman, you use the accelerometer in your app. Any idea of its hertz? | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: 399 eur, 320gb hd | 18:35 |
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| Robot101 | lying on back with n900 in the air | 18:35 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: btw, what is the latest story with smartqs? Are you still developing Mer on them? | 18:36 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: some people are, i'm not personally | 18:36 |
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| Robot101 | tip: don't let go. it hurts when you drop it on your face. | 18:36 |
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| lardman | Flandry: I only use the standard system notifications | 18:36 |
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| * Stskeeps is sticking to nokia devices | 18:36 |
| lcuk | Robot101, sounds like the voice of experience | 18:36 |
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| * Robot101 fails at today | 18:36 |
| lardman | Flandry: does the wiki page not say, otherwise pester Jaffa perhaps or look at the kernel source | 18:37 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: yeah 399 euros is pretty dear, but I suppose it does have a large hdd | 18:37 |
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| Flandry | doesn't really say http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers | 18:38 |
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| Flandry | i'll check the talk thread | 18:38 |
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| lcuk | Flandry, at least 25hz | 18:38 |
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| lcuk | what you looking for | 18:38 |
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| Flandry | yeah, i guess that's true | 18:38 |
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| lcuk | or rather expecting to hear | 18:38 |
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| Flandry | that's probably fine | 18:38 |
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| trevor13 | FOr quake 3 , openarena/ 17.10.2009 13:46 - | 18:39 |
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| trevor13 | openarena-data/ | 18:39 |
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| Flandry | thanks :) | 18:39 |
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