| timeless_mbp | which involves doing a network lookup to ovi servers | 00:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | that part shouldn't be *too* expensive | 00:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | however *something* in my 3 week trip through eastern europe was *very* expensive | 00:00 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not quite sure what but my bill was obscene | 00:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | my bet is that it was being in Ukraine (which isn't an EU member) | 00:01 |
| mikec | timeless_mbp:that would be the blond one | 00:01 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp: come in france ... where isp block agps data with their stupid proxy | 00:02 |
| Khertan | you ll not get overpriced bill | 00:02 |
| Khertan | but you ll be lost | 00:02 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: been there, had no problems | 00:02 |
| Khertan | yep right ... depends on isp | 00:02 |
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| Khertan | some allow it | 00:03 |
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| Khertan | but it s really high priced contract | 00:03 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, this is cool, it's actually getting cached by the browser | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: did you enable disk cache? | 00:04 |
| mikec | just setup Open SuSE 11.2 with KDE 4 desktop on my macbook pro. Real sweet, gives me lots of comfort on Qt | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc you have to do it from about:config | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | Well no, I was using firefox ;) | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: think about it... | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | google pays for bandwidth | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and they pay for server hits | 00:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | they don't want to have to serve the same data to the same clients more than once | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | so they will configure caching properly :) | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | plus their goal is to have things load in the client app as fast as possible | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | For some things, I gues | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | a network trip is pretty much the opposite of that :) | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | queries are different :) | 00:06 |
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| julianoliver | timeless_mbp: google maps on the N900 seems to be almost non-functional here. i couldn't, for instance, close the location balloon. | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | I have 2 caching squid proxies in a chain to alleviate the whims of technology a bit :) | 00:07 |
| timeless_mbp | julianoliver: did you enable the interaction mode? | 00:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and have you installed the gps addon? | 00:07 |
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| julianoliver | timeless_mbp: no. i wasn't aware of either of these two things. | 00:07 |
| timeless_mbp | julianoliver: have you watched the maemo ui team videos? | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | but it didn't even hit the squids.. alot of sites seem to cause firefox to not use cache, and then the squids think that cached data is still perfectly valid and serves that :D | 00:08 |
| julianoliver | timeless_mbp: admittedly i'd had the phone about an hour when i started using it on the street! | 00:08 |
| julianoliver | timeless_mbp: no i have not. | 00:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd suggest you start there | 00:08 |
| timeless_mbp | if you can't find them w/in 2mins, ping me here | 00:08 |
| julianoliver | i will do. | 00:08 |
| timeless_mbp | that and um. the browser has default bookmarks including one to maemo.nokia.com | 00:09 |
| timeless_mbp | you should use that one... | 00:09 |
| Proteous | KenYoung, you should be able to ssh from your n900 to your desktop with the x11 forwarding option enabled, and then start the app you want from the commandline and have it forwarded to your desktop over the ssh connection | 00:09 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless, oh I get it.. I use google maps so rarely that they've changed the URL scheme for the images since last time :) | 00:10 |
| julianoliver | timeless_mbp: thanks for the tips. i will try google maps in the morning. | 00:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | julianoliver: you'll want to enable disk cache | 00:11 |
| timeless_mbp | if you don't do that, you'll be unhappy with google maps sooner or later | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | to do that, about:config and having a firefox to compare it against is a good idea | 00:12 |
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| KenYoung | Proteus, so you're saying that to get an N900 shell displayed on my desktop, I should ssh from my N900 to my desktop with X11 forwarding, figure out what the name of the X11 connection is, then with a separate shell on the N900, launch an xterm that will use the X11 tunneling that the client ssh on the N900 established? | 00:17 |
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| qgil | qwerty12_N900: ping | 00:17 |
| qwerty12_N900 | qgil: Hiya | 00:17 |
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| qgil | qwerty12_N900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=391759#post391759 | 00:18 |
| Proteous | KenYoung: all you want is a terminal to the n900? | 00:18 |
| Proteous | or do you need a gui x11 app? | 00:18 |
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| crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, I think I went overboard with your "go anti-troll tmo" | 00:18 |
| * qgil wonders as well what I'm doing still awake timeless_mbp :) | 00:19 | |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 00:19 |
| crashanddie__ | hey qgil, how are you mate? | 00:19 |
| timeless_mbp | bad if he's up past bedtime :( | 00:19 |
| qgil | a bit sleepy now, otherwise very well thank you :) you? | 00:19 |
| crashanddie__ | not too bad, not too bad at all | 00:19 |
| crashanddie__ | qgil, it's good you're around, I have a quick question | 00:19 |
| crashanddie__ | I'm moving to Australia, how does that impact my loan device agreement? | 00:20 |
| qwerty12_N900 | qgil: Hmm, regarding MyPaint? | 00:20 |
| qgil | qwerty12_N900: yes | 00:20 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie__: the cost to return it should go up :) | 00:20 |
| crashanddie__ | timeless_mbp, that actually made me smile :) | 00:20 |
| qgil | I think Forum Nokia serves the antipodes as well | 00:20 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie__: TrollTech Qt used to be in Australia | 00:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd assume Nokia hasn't closed the office there | 00:21 |
| crashanddie__ | oh really? | 00:21 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're lucky you could ask them to manage the return | 00:21 |
| crashanddie__ | is there a lot of Nokia stuff going on in Oz? | 00:21 |
| qgil | Brisbane, Qt 4.6 for Maemo comes actually from there | 00:21 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.blogistan.co.uk/qt/2007/02/trolltech_australia_moves.php | 00:21 |
| crashanddie__ | heh, moving to Brisbane :) | 00:21 |
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| ljp | qt 4.6 for maemo does not come from Brissie | 00:22 |
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| xorAxAx | hmm, af-sb-init doesnt work anymore for me | 00:22 |
| xorAxAx | /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 55: /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop: No such file or directory | 00:22 |
| qwerty12_N900 | qgil: anders_gud would be a better person to ask, I guess. I just put it in -devel for him; he did the actual porting (plus, Python isn't a speciality) | 00:22 |
| xorAxAx | and other weird error messages, help! | 00:22 |
| xorAxAx | (the particular file exists) | 00:22 |
| * w00t can't wait for qt 4.6. | 00:22 | |
| Proteous | KenYoung: if you just need a term you can: from the n900: ssh -R 12345:127.0.0.1:22 username@yourhost | 00:22 |
| qgil | qwerty12_N900: ah... do you think he'll answer within 12h? :) | 00:23 |
| Proteous | then from your desktop: ssh -p 12345 | 00:23 |
| Proteous | to localhost | 00:23 |
| javispedro | xorAxAx: are you in armel or x86 target? and, since you said /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop exists, does /bin/sh exist? :) | 00:24 |
| xorAxAx | javispedro: x86 target | 00:24 |
| xorAxAx | javispedro: no, it doesnt,hmm | 00:24 |
| Proteous | something wierd about tunneling ssh over ssh | 00:24 |
| xorAxAx | where is my sh?!? | 00:24 |
| qwerty12_N900 | qgil: Heh, good question... He's -1h behind you guys =) | 00:24 |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 <=== does it works for you ? | 00:25 |
| xorAxAx | javispedro: i symlinked bash into sh and it works now. nevertheless weird why sh vanished | 00:25 |
| javispedro | black magic :) | 00:25 |
| qgil | ljp: do you know where this guy is based? http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-maemo5-core/ | 00:26 |
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| qgil | maybe not the 4.6 code, but the packaging then :) | 00:26 |
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| lardman | re | 00:27 |
| xorAxAx | how can i start a terminal on maemo 5? | 00:27 |
| crashanddie__ | zerojay, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35053&page=2 | 00:27 |
| mikhas | it is funny how there is an account that only draws karma from publishing the packages =) | 00:27 |
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| xorAxAx | is there one in extras(-devel)? | 00:27 |
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| mikhas | I think karma should run into negatives >=) | 00:27 |
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| crashanddie__ | xorAxAx, the SDK is not an emulator | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: osso-xterm is the packge name | 00:27 |
| ljp | qgil: he is QA engineer in Brisbane assigned to Maemo stuff | 00:27 |
| xorAxAx | crashanddie__: you mean its missing applications? | 00:27 |
| crashanddie__ | xorAxAx, meaning getting the full environment, 100% like it's on the device itself is not going to be easy | 00:28 |
| crashanddie__ | if possible at all, which I doubt | 00:28 |
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| xorAxAx | but osso-xterm could have been in the metapackage | 00:28 |
| lardman | or even possible as qemu doesn't fully emulate the processor | 00:28 |
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| qgil | ljp: do you like chess ahem ahem? B) | 00:29 |
| javispedro | xorAxAx: it's not a nokia-binary nor makes sense to add in the default environment, since why limit yourself to osso-xterm when you have whatever xterms you need in your host? | 00:29 |
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| crashanddie__ | qgil, are you ranked? | 00:29 |
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| ljp | i am bad at chess | 00:29 |
| xorAxAx | javispedro: for interoperability testing | 00:30 |
| xorAxAx | javispedro: whether the input methods suite your console app | 00:30 |
| xorAxAx | that you want to port to fremantle | 00:30 |
| qgil | ljp: but this doesn't really matter if you are good at Qt programming: http://wiki.maemo.org/Miniature | 00:30 |
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| qgil | please forward the URL to your chess loving mates pls ljp | 00:30 |
| xorAxAx | woooot, colored prompt | 00:31 |
| javispedro | xorAxAx: "input methods"? you can only test virtual keyboard. | 00:31 |
| xorAxAx | javispedro: for example | 00:31 |
| qgil | crashanddie__: I'm a humble player around 1500 | 00:31 |
| xorAxAx | javispedro: ah, the return key doesnt work in the osso-xterm | 00:31 |
| xorAxAx | i can type ls but return doesnt do anything | 00:32 |
| javispedro | xorAxAx: cause it's expecting a KP_ENTER because that's what the device keyboard sends AFAIK | 00:32 |
| qgil | qwerty12_N900: anyway, it looks like MyPaint won't be in the BCN Long Weekend. What about you? | 00:32 |
| javispedro | xorAxAx: so if you have a keypad, press the enter key there. | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N900 | qgil: Sorry, no passport or anything | 00:32 |
| crashanddie__ | qgil, nice. I won't be challenging you then | 00:32 |
| xorAxAx | javispedro: ok | 00:33 |
| KenYoung | Proteous, What is the meaning of 12345 in the command you just sent me? Do I literally use 12345 (if that's the case, it doesn't work) or should I be substituting some other number for 12345 ? | 00:33 |
| qgil | qwerty12_N900: where are you based? | 00:33 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N900: poor excuse you've had time! | 00:33 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | qgil: London | 00:33 |
| crashanddie__ | qgil, he's a minor | 00:33 |
| lardman | miner? | 00:33 |
| lardman | ;) | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm confused | 00:33 |
| crashanddie__ | qgil, technically, you could be arrested for inviting him ;) | 00:33 |
| qgil | qwerty12_N900: still? How long have I been hearing that story? ;) | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | do you need a guardian to cross national borders? | 00:33 |
| qgil | ok ok | 00:33 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N900: I thought you were 17? | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | clearly 12. | 00:33 |
| qgil | crashanddie__: alright, I see the brits in this room :P | 00:34 |
| lardman | hi qgil :) | 00:34 |
| KenYoung | Proteous, And yes, in answer to your earlier question, all I want is a shell on my N900 that I can have displayed on my desktop machine, and type into with my desktop keyboard. | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lardman: Yep | 00:34 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N900: well you're not minor any longer then are you...? | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | KenYoung: ssh -X is your friend | 00:34 |
| crashanddie__ | "any longer"? | 00:34 |
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| lardman | you can even get married and fly a plane | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | is your desktop wifi enabled? | 00:34 |
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| xorAxAx | uh, so many packages break because there is no maemo-select-menu-location | 00:35 |
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| xorAxAx | isnt there a dummy package somewhere? | 00:35 |
| lardman | xorAxAx: yeah, noticed thar | 00:35 |
| crashanddie__ | lardman, coming of age is still at 18, technically speaking, he can't take a taxi without a guardian | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: the goal was to force people to rebuild/repackage | 00:35 |
| xorAxAx | can somebody wrap up a dummy? :) | 00:35 |
| lardman | yeah he can in the UK | 00:35 |
| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: well, there are broken packages in extra-devel ... | 00:35 |
| KenYoung | timeless_mbp, But I can't ssh INTO my N900, only ssh'ing OUT from it works. | 00:35 |
| xorAxAx | was that a goal? :) | 00:36 |
| javispedro | xorAxAx: not many | 00:36 |
| Proteous | KenYoung: the 12345 is just a random port number, the command creates a port forward | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: and given that for the n900 we want people to optify too | 00:36 |
| lardman | he can drive now, so taking a taxi isn't such a big thing | 00:36 |
| xorAxAx | optify? | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | KenYoung: ok, so can you ssh to your n900 from your n900? | 00:36 |
| mikhas | what is the legal age in UK for owning a n900 then? 37? | 00:36 |
| crashanddie__ | lardman, most cab companies won't allow it -- and I actually believe it's illegal, as he is "alone" | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | kidnapping is a serious crime in .uk :) | 00:37 |
| qgil | 30 seconds survey: anybody here still undecided about going to BCN Long Weekend? | 00:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | qgil: would someone sponsor me to go :) | 00:37 |
| crashanddie__ | qgil, GeneralAntilles lost his passport | 00:37 |
| lardman | qgil: would love to go but have work stuff on :( | 00:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | KenYoung: then connecting to 12345 on your 'desktop' system connects to port 22 - through the ssh remote proxy | 00:37 |
| lardman | crashanddie__: you're not serious about GeneralAntilles? | 00:37 |
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| crashanddie__ | lardman, correct | 00:37 |
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| lardman | good good | 00:37 |
| Proteous | KenYoung: that commands connects from you n900 to your desktop and sets up a listening port on your desktop (the 12345 number) that takes any trafic sent to it and sends it on to port 22 on you n900 | 00:38 |
| xorAxAx | Setting up osso-xterm (0.14.mh27+0m5) ... | 00:38 |
| xorAxAx | You must be root to launch this program. | 00:38 |
| xorAxAx | aha! | 00:38 |
| KenYoung | timeless_mbp, Yes, I can ssh from the N900 to the N900, using 127.0.0.1 . | 00:38 |
| crashanddie__ | that would've been the funniest thing ever. GA losing his passport after the Summit catastrophe! | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: fakeroot | 00:38 |
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| qgil | lardman your barcode reader...? | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | KenYoung: So you connect to your desktop on port 12345 with ssh - login through the transparent tcp tunnel setup by ssh and then do whatever you want on the n900 - including setting up a xterm pointing back to your desktop | 00:38 |
| Proteous | KenYoung: so if you have sshd running on your n900 on port22 then it should allow you to tunnel the ssh connection from your desktop to your n900 | 00:38 |
| lardman | qgil: working | 00:38 |
| * VDVsx drops the bomb at -community :) | 00:38 | |
| qgil | oh my | 00:39 |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: yeah | 00:39 |
| qgil | I go to sleep, see you tomorrow | 00:39 |
| xorAxAx | wow, bullshit bingo | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N900 | 'night, qgil | 00:39 |
| lardman | qgil: still need to improve webscraping, but am thinking of moving everything other than decoding out of it and sending DBus messages to interested apps | 00:39 |
| lardman | night qgil | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: Thanks for getting the ball rolling | 00:39 |
| qgil | thx for microreport lardman | 00:39 |
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| KenYoung | Proteous, But when I do it, I get the message "Remote port forwarding failed for listen port 12345" | 00:39 |
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| Proteous | KenYoung: try changing that number and seeing if it works | 00:40 |
| Proteous | something else might be using that port | 00:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | I know that dropbear seemed not to like to do portforwarding oncee when I tried it | 00:40 |
| xorAxAx | hmm, at first i though the cancel button would be hidden below the lower screen border when i was first using xephyr and the sdk | 00:41 |
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| javispedro | VDVsx: I see your evil bomb. | 00:41 |
| timeless_mbp | KenYoung: you could replace dropbear to openssh :) | 00:41 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Why would you use Dropbear on an NXXX device anyway? It's like buying a Ferrari and asking for a tape recorder to be put in there | 00:41 |
| KenYoung | Proteous, No, it doesn't work even with a different number. Do I need to enable X11 forwarding in the /etc/ssh/ssh_config file? It does not appear to be enabled by default. | 00:41 |
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| Proteous | this is not using x11 at all | 00:42 |
| javispedro | ~qwerty12_N900++ | 00:42 |
| Proteous | you don't need x11 for just a terminal | 00:42 |
| KenYoung | timeless_mbp, I'm not using dropbear. I don't think dropbear supports X11 forwarding. I'm using openssh | 00:42 |
| javispedro | if you are memory conscious launche openssh from inetd :) | 00:42 |
| * Stskeeps ponders why on earth osso-bookmark-engine is closed | 00:43 | |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 00:43 | |
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| xorAxAx | javispedro: is that connected to the maemo.org karma? :) | 00:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: histerical reasons | 00:43 |
| * xorAxAx is playing frozen bubble on the sdk in xephyr | 00:43 | |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: still surprised? | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | hysterical or historial? :) | 00:43 |
| timeless_mbp | but mostly because the browser team never managed to get approval to open source anything | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | ical | 00:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: "yes" | 00:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | (i.e. both) | 00:43 |
| timeless_mbp | our primary goal was to open source the browser ui | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | right, back to ripping bookmark support out by force of hildon-home | 00:44 |
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| javispedro | and you failed ... ? | 00:44 |
| timeless_mbp | but that mostly failed | 00:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | we weren't going to fight harder for bookmarks having failed w/ browser-ui | 00:44 |
| mece | heh testing an N900... over vnc. | 00:44 |
| crashanddie__ | mece, shame the cursor doesn't show up eh | 00:45 |
| pekuja | you have a VNC server running on the N900? | 00:45 |
| crashanddie__ | pekuja, yeah, got one too here | 00:45 |
| mece | no but my friend has. I dont have the device | 00:45 |
| Proteous | KenYoung: something on your desktop machine is not letting you create the listening port | 00:45 |
| pekuja | crazy | 00:45 |
| mikhas | anyone using sbox on windows here? | 00:45 |
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| mece | yeah.. still it's pretty cool | 00:45 |
| * javispedro remebers the stupid "mail" task navigator plugin was closed. considering that, I can see reasons for nearly everything to be closed. | 00:45 | |
| pekuja | agreed | 00:45 |
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| mece | x11vnc only uses 10% and it's pretty smooth. Over 3g no less! | 00:46 |
| mikhas | is there an easy way to access folders inside sbox from windows directly, say with the windows explorer? | 00:46 |
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| mece | 10% cpu that is | 00:46 |
| pekuja | I'm still on the fence about getting an N900. that sort of things do make me smile though :-P | 00:46 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: I find it amusing that such things as the Memory Control Panel applet are closed :\ | 00:46 |
| pekuja | every now and then it does bug me how little flexibility the OS in my current phone has | 00:46 |
| javispedro | differentiation... yeah. | 00:46 |
| Proteous | KenYoung: what is your desktop running? | 00:47 |
| Proteous | KenYoung: is it a mac? | 00:47 |
| betz | Greetings! I've just read about maemo in a linux magazine and i was wondering if it would be possible to run maemo on a nokia 6620 navigator? | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N900 | There's differentiation and then there is just plain being anal | 00:47 |
| VDVsx | mikhas, where is sbox ? inside a linux system ? | 00:47 |
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| KenYoung | Proteous, No, it's running Centos, but I just tried doing it to an Ubuntu machine, and I did not get an error, so I'm sure you're right, the problem is on the desktop machine. | 00:48 |
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| ShadowJK | betz, no. | 00:48 |
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| betz | bummer | 00:48 |
| mikhas | VDVsx, sbox inside linux/virtual box | 00:49 |
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| KenYoung | Proteous, Once I have that listening port set up, how can I use it to open an xterm displayed on the desktop machine? | 00:49 |
| ShadowJK | Maemo4 on N800 and N810, Maemo5 on N900. | 00:49 |
| wiretapped | the N900 is no longer available on newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875205178&Tpk=n900 | 00:50 |
| wiretapped | "Deactivated Item" | 00:50 |
| mece | sure | 00:50 |
| wiretapped | not in their search results | 00:50 |
| DantonicN800 | ouch | 00:50 |
| crashanddie__ | Jaffa, am I dreaming or is christaexport highjacking your post about MWN to talk about his depression? | 00:51 |
| VDVsx | mikhas, ah, the vbox image is a big file, dunno if you can access things there. If it's inside a normal linux system, you only need to install support for ext3/4 on windows | 00:51 |
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| VDVsx | there's a couple of free app for that | 00:51 |
| mikhas | ok thanks! | 00:51 |
| crashanddie__ | wiretapped, out of stock? | 00:52 |
| DantonicN800 | mece, what os do you run on your desktop? | 00:52 |
| mece | mint 7 | 00:52 |
| mece | using gtkvncviewer to play with the N900 | 00:53 |
| wiretapped | crashanddie__: it was never listed as being in stock; the date available went from 11/14 to 11/30 | 00:53 |
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| DantonicN800 | mece, i'm trying to figure out vnc, i'm on ubuntu 9.10 but have been unable to configure it. trying to use vino. whats an easy server to setup? | 00:54 |
| mece | gtkvncviewer works fine on ubunutu. or are you talking about server? | 00:54 |
| DantonicN800 | yes | 00:54 |
| mece | oh.. | 00:55 |
| DantonicN800 | server on ubuntu to access from tablet | 00:55 |
| mece | oh wait. | 00:55 |
| mece | I'll ask the owner of the phone. He does that. | 00:56 |
| Proteous | KenYoung: from your desktop machine run: ssh -P thePortYouUsedMaybe12345 localhost | 00:56 |
| Proteous | login with the username password that you have setup on you n900 | 00:57 |
| javispedro | I see KDE is getting on "abusing the community word" train. | 00:58 |
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| KenYoung | Proteous, Thanks very much for your patient help on this. The Ubuntu machine I was able to get your command to work on is not in my building, so I'll have to travel to test this out. I'll sign off here now, and try the command you just gave me. Again, thanks a bunch! | 00:58 |
| mece | DantonicN800, just open "remote desktop" (should be installed) and enable stuff there. no extra software required. | 00:59 |
| Proteous | KenYoung: no problem, hope it works! | 00:59 |
| kynky | hope they port nx (nomachine) to n900 | 00:59 |
| edgar2 | dantonicn800: i'm using linux mint, and the pre-installed program remote desktop | 00:59 |
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| edgar2 | i simply enabled it to accept remote connections | 01:00 |
| edgar2 | and logged in with vnc viewer from n900 | 01:00 |
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| mece | here's some stuff on remote desktop on ubuntu: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/share-your-ubuntu-desktop-using-remote-desktop.html | 01:01 |
| * Hydroxide cheers at finally having a n900 | 01:01 | |
| DantonicN800 | heh spent several hours on it. it doesnt work. | 01:02 |
| mece | Hydroxied, does it have a working mic? | 01:02 |
| DantonicN800 | how is mint? whats different about it? | 01:02 |
| Hydroxide | mece: I haven't tested the mic input yet. are most of them broken? | 01:02 |
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| Hydroxide | mece: (yes, that means I haven't made a call yet) | 01:02 |
| mece | DantonicN800 It's easy. | 01:02 |
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| mece | Hydroxide, no, but some are. | 01:02 |
| Hydroxide | mece: ah. will be sure to check. thanks for the heads-up | 01:03 |
| edgar2 | dantonicn800: mint is, afaik, ordinary ubuntu + some artwork and custom menu + update-manager | 01:03 |
| Hydroxide | mece: my 14-day return period starts today according to the included packing list, so I have some time to find any flaws :) and I think for defects it's 30 days | 01:03 |
| Hydroxide | mece: I'm overall expecting to like it like I did my 770 and N800 :) | 01:03 |
| Hydroxide | mece: or probably more | 01:03 |
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| mece | Hydroxide: well, I don't have one yet :( But at least I'm playing with one over vnc right now :D | 01:04 |
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| Hydroxide | mece: cool :) I pre-ordered from nokiausa.com on september 3, and did the "oops nokia gave me an incompatible bundle" re-order with 15% discount on november 16. it shipped overnight yesterday and arrived today | 01:05 |
| Hydroxide | mece: so you can draw your own conclusions from that about your own situation | 01:05 |
| mece | Hydroxide: I'll get mine 4th or 6th december. Yawn. | 01:06 |
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| mece | But I might get two of them to work this week. | 01:07 |
| Hydroxide | mece: good luck. seems nice so far. | 01:07 |
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| lardman | what's my best bet for splitting a file read into a char* to get the individual lines out? | 01:08 |
| lardman | strtok? | 01:08 |
| Proteous | perl? | 01:08 |
| greenfly | heh | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | strtok is evil | 01:09 |
| Proteous | sed? | 01:09 |
| lardman | in C | 01:09 |
| w00t | anyone want a google wave invite? I've 16 to give away | 01:09 |
| yuizy | o/ | 01:09 |
| * AakashPatel wishs he had a use for google wave | 01:09 | |
| Proteous | I've got one but non of my friends do, makes google wave pretty boring | 01:09 |
| AakashPatel | mines just been sitting there un used :( | 01:10 |
| ShadowJK | If you're going to use strtok, consider strsep | 01:10 |
| w00t | AakashPatel: much the same as my attitude ;-) | 01:10 |
| AakashPatel | :D | 01:10 |
| w00t | yuizy: msg me your address | 01:10 |
| yuizy | w00t: do you want my email? | 01:10 |
| yuizy | ok | 01:10 |
| AakashPatel | yuizy, you probably wont get the invite immediately btw | 01:10 |
| crashanddie__ | lardman, fscanf(ptr, "%s", &buffer); if my memory serves me well | 01:10 |
| mavhc | wave replaces group email/document collaboration | 01:10 |
| crashanddie__ | lardman, sorry, that's wrong, use fgets | 01:11 |
| yuizy | :( | 01:11 |
| lardman | ah, good idea, thanks crashanddie__ | 01:11 |
| w00t | anyone else? | 01:11 |
| AakashPatel | yuizy, a few days ;) | 01:11 |
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| crashanddie__ | s * [r, c, 1] = P * [ -sin(phi); cos(phi)sin(theta); cos(phi)cos(theta) ] | 01:12 |
| AakashPatel | o.O | 01:12 |
| crashanddie__ | sorry, wrong window | 01:13 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 01:13 |
| javispedro | ah, matlab. *hate/love relationship* | 01:13 |
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| crashanddie__ | (for those interested, where P = T * K(f) * R) | 01:13 |
| sp3000 | there's no symbol for that relationship? | 01:14 |
| mece | alrighty I'm off. goodnight | 01:14 |
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| AakashPatel | night dude | 01:14 |
| sp3000 | surely somewhere in unicode ;) | 01:14 |
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| julianoliver | i'm setting up the nokia apps in sbox_FREEMANTLE_x86 and getting pages of errors like the following: http://pastebin.com/d25ebb5d7 | 01:16 |
| julianoliver | is that to be expected? | 01:16 |
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| AakashPatel | Is the maemo emu supposed to have any apps installed in ti? | 01:18 |
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| AakashPatel | it* | 01:18 |
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| sp3000 | if you install the nokia binaries whatever thingamajig it'll have some at least | 01:19 |
| AakashPatel | Oh what.. I instlled the nokia binaries and i didnt have *any* | 01:20 |
| javispedro | AakashPatel: it's not an emu. | 01:20 |
| AakashPatel | not even a browser :/ | 01:20 |
| AakashPatel | ah i see | 01:20 |
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| javispedro | though Nokia did add some x86 builds of some applications to aid development | 01:20 |
| Klowner | you can apt-get the extra stuff | 01:20 |
| javispedro | including the browser | 01:20 |
| javispedro | in metapackage nokia-apps | 01:20 |
| *** crashanddie__ changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | http://maemo.nokia.com | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo-Barcelona Long Weekend - Registrations open - http://tinyurl.com/ydv6p62 | Scratchbox + Xephyr is not an emulator, don't expect a terminal or browser" | 01:21 | |
| javispedro | :) | 01:21 |
| AakashPatel | hehe | 01:21 |
| * AakashPatel just came from the android world | 01:21 | |
| AakashPatel | so i got used to the word emulator | 01:21 |
| crashanddie__ | julianoliver, in your world, are "errors" "expected? | 01:22 |
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| acidjazz | FUCKING SHIP ALRD | 01:24 |
| acidjazz | *CRY* | 01:24 |
| b-man17 | o.0 | 01:24 |
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| crashanddie__ | Si la gent entendria que no som Google! | 01:24 |
| crashanddie__ | acidjazz, take your pills | 01:24 |
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| julianoliver | crashanddie__: with software there is no One World.. In the world of Maemo 5, errors may be equivalent to light drizzle, I don't yet know. | 01:25 |
| acidjazz | how is qt btw | 01:25 |
| acidjazz | is it neat | 01:25 |
| acidjazz | gimme some qt codes to read or a lil qt tutorial | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, you do realise Maemo 5 doesn't include Qt by default, right? | 01:25 |
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| crashanddie | or rather, to qualify the above, the Maemo 5 UI isn't written in Qt | 01:26 |
| KenYoung | Proteous, Are you sure "ssh -P 12345 localhost" is what I should use? I get the error "ssh: connect to host 12345 port 22: Invalid argument" . | 01:26 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie: whats it written in then | 01:26 |
| julianoliver | KenYoung: little -p | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, GTK/Hildon | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, as for Qt tutorials: /join #qt | 01:27 |
| Pio | -P for scp, -p for ssh :( | 01:27 |
| acidjazz | so whats the optimal langauge to write apps in | 01:27 |
| Klowner | assembler | 01:27 |
| acidjazz | w/out caring about including stuff | 01:27 |
| julianoliver | Pio: isn't it annoying. especially after 10 years of daily use. | 01:27 |
| Pio | so so so annoying hehe | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, lol? | 01:27 |
| acidjazz | hildon? | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, use a proper IDE and use whatever language you fancy? | 01:27 |
| julianoliver | acidjazz: indeed. assembler is optimal.. for computers. | 01:28 |
| acidjazz | i'm asking a question of preference | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, and everyone will give you a different answer | 01:28 |
| acidjazz | thats fine | 01:28 |
| acidjazz | whats yours | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, we can't make choices for you, only you can | 01:28 |
| acidjazz | i know | 01:28 |
| acidjazz | and i will | 01:28 |
| julianoliver | acidjazz: for humans it greatly varies. i prefer Python for quickly writing an application. for performance, i stick with C++ | 01:28 |
| KenYoung | Proteous, I tried that too. It gives the error "ssh: connect to host localhost port 12345" Connection refused" . | 01:28 |
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| julianoliver | KenYoung: well then you don't have sshd listening on 12345 /or/ you don't have sshd running at all or you are trying to connect as root or [..] | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | KenYoung, netstat -nl | grep 12345 | 01:29 |
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| acidjazz | julianoliver: is python built into the sdk for maemo? | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, you can install it easily | 01:30 |
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| acidjazz | yea but if i write python apps am i going to have to ask ppl to install python to run them? | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | yes | 01:30 |
| acidjazz | i'd rather avoid that | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | but that will be done automatically | 01:30 |
| acidjazz | will they know? | 01:30 |
| acidjazz | or itll prompt em? | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | basically, the application manager will automatically install the dependencies | 01:30 |
| acidjazz | dependancy packages or something.. | 01:30 |
| acidjazz | i see | 01:30 |
| acidjazz | there a php dependancy package? :) | 01:31 |
| crashanddie | so for example, the first time a user install a python app it will show up as being "15meg", when really the app itself is just 20k, but the dependencies beef that up | 01:31 |
| julianoliver | acidjazz: if you package it properly then that'll all be done for the user. | 01:31 |
| acidjazz | oo http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/16/new-php-package-for-maemo/ | 01:31 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, no, PHP is not ported for N900 as far as I am aware | 01:31 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie: cuz the python package is 15mb? yea that woudl suck | 01:31 |
| KenYoung | crashanddie, THat command produces no output, except error messages about no kernel support for INET6 | 01:32 |
| julianoliver | acidjazz: well, it'd be the same on a platform like Windows. i think many users would not find it a problem. | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, that link was for Mistral -- aka the 770 | 01:33 |
| julianoliver | KenYoung: 'netstat -tupa' on the N900 | 01:33 |
| acidjazz | yea | 01:33 |
| acidjazz | and it was 2007 | 01:33 |
| acidjazz | so then why is qt so marketed as the langauge for the n900 | 01:33 |
| crashanddie | it is not | 01:33 |
| julianoliver | KenYoung: better 'netstat -tupa | grep sshd' | 01:33 |
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| acidjazz | is that just what is the most supported by the n900? | 01:33 |
| KenYoung | julianoliver, It does not accept the -p option. | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | julianoliver, he's port forwarding SSH, so SSHD won't help | 01:34 |
| julianoliver | crashanddie: ahh.. i see. | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, god you're thick | 01:34 |
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| crashanddie | acidjazz, Qt isn't most supported on the N900. Everything native is GTK/Hildon. Qt has been announced as being the platform for Maemo 6 | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, hence, everyone gets an implied incentive to use Qt rather than GTK if they want their apps to run nicely on Maemo 6 | 01:35 |
| acidjazz | nokia made a public newsletter announcing qt support etc | 01:35 |
| acidjazz | oh 6 ok | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | however at this point, Qt python bindings and such aren't optimal yet, so if you just want to have fun, I would suggest using something that is well documented such as GTK/Hildon | 01:35 |
| acidjazz | i guess i missed it was 6 | 01:35 |
| acidjazz | yea i think i will | 01:36 |
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| acidjazz | thanks for the info crashanddie , minus insulting me the entire time | 01:36 |
| javispedro | oh, you get used to him after a while :) | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | don't behave like an idiot and I won't have to | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | happy I could help | 01:36 |
| javispedro | :) | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | javispedro, seen my latest rant on tmo? | 01:37 |
| acidjazz | also venting to random ppl on irc wont help your issues :) | 01:37 |
| javispedro | crashanddie: yep | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | javispedro, I'm sure you liked it | 01:37 |
| javispedro | to be honest, I did. | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | there's a surprise :) | 01:37 |
| javispedro | I dislike "goodbye members" or similarly styled threads. | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | I actually had to revise the post a few times before posting it -- I was way too rough for tmo | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, I don't really vent, I just prefer it when people do some research before asking obvious questions | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, everything you asked has been discussed millions of times on the mailing lists, forums and blogs, I really don't see how you could've missed it while searching -- indicating you didn't, and showing you think our time is less valuable than yours | 01:39 |
| acidjazz | you have an idea how much easier it is to just ask and find out instantly on irc? | 01:39 |
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| acidjazz | no matter how many ppl you piss off? | 01:40 |
| acidjazz | whos thick now | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, do you have any idea the people you're pissing off are the ones you're considering working with for the next few months, if you get a device? | 01:40 |
| acidjazz | yes, 1. | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | right | 01:40 |
| lardman | anyone know if there's a handy hildonesque function which returns the name of the visible user directory, e.g. ~/MyDocs ? | 01:41 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, I'm happy we cleared that up, I'm sure people will love working with you :) | 01:41 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, it's a single user environment | 01:42 |
| acidjazz | and as i learn i also plan on helping any1 else in here who has questions w/out simultaneousely insulting them and venting other issues | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | lardman, you can probably hard-code that (or conf it) | 01:42 |
| andre__ | ...and in the end, everything was fine and everybody was happy. | 01:42 |
| lardman | yeah, but the name might change | 01:43 |
| lardman | ;) | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | lardman, never came across that anyway | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | s/that/that function/ | 01:43 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: lardman, never came across that function anyway | 01:43 |
| lardman | me neither | 01:43 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, do you know autostitch? | 01:44 |
| kalikianafk | lardman, the env variable MYDOCSDIR | 01:44 |
| lardman | ah right | 01:44 |
| lardman | crashanddie: no, what is it | 01:44 |
| lardman | kalikianafk: thanks | 01:44 |
| kalikianafk | no problem | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | lardman, funky app that assembles pictures in a pano view | 01:45 |
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| lardman | ah right, seen that sort of thing before | 01:45 |
| crashanddie | lardman, contrary to most apps that do that, it doesn't do just 1d adjustments, but also 2d adjustments (horizontal and vertical, thus depth and angle) | 01:45 |
| crashanddie | lardman, the results are seriously amazing, millions time better than the ones I had seen before | 01:46 |
| lardman | rotation too? | 01:46 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, 360deg * 180deg | 01:46 |
| lardman | I meant adjustment of the rotation of an image before stitching it | 01:47 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, also, if you need to subcontract some webscraping functions, I don't helping out a bit. Just drop me an email saying what you're trying to get from a page or something and I'll see if I can help out | 01:47 |
| crashanddie | lardman, oh yeah, it doesn't care about the angle, only what's in the image itself | 01:47 |
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| javispedro | oh, people are ALREADY asking why only 25 GiB free | 01:47 |
| lardman | crashanddie: well re webscraping, anything that does a better job than what I have atm ;) | 01:48 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: AWS would be good, also barcodepedia, etc., etc | 01:48 |
| lardman | crashanddie: there are some urls listed and commented out in the existing web.c code, so please take a crack if you feel like it | 01:48 |
| crashanddie | lardman, might do on the plane while I'm flying to calif this weekend | 01:48 |
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| julianoliver | HAH! it works. i have a fully virtually hosted scratchboxed, Maemo 5 to play with on my laptop. super. | 01:49 |
| * julianoliver rubs hands | 01:49 | |
| lardman | feel free, probably better than waxing your surfboard | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | julianoliver, could you document your steps? | 01:49 |
| julianoliver | i just followed this, to the letter: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | julianoliver, that's just the SDK though ;) | 01:49 |
| julianoliver | my two previous attempts failed. | 01:49 |
| julianoliver | crashanddie: yes, that's what i meant ;) it's running in the hosted X session. | 01:50 |
| crashanddie | julianoliver, I failed miserably last time as well, found out later that it was because some package was unavailable on the repo | 01:50 |
| julianoliver | yes, i think this happened to me. | 01:50 |
| acidjazz | julianoliver: nice | 01:51 |
| crashanddie | lardman, only taking my skateboard this time. Rented the surf equipment over there last time. Half moon bay was awesome, but a bit shark infested and cold | 01:52 |
| crashanddie | I guess the sharks will be a good training for oz | 01:52 |
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| julianoliver | crashanddie: attacks on surfers are pretty rare in Australia. just stay between the flags and be sure to listen to beachpatrol. | 01:54 |
| lardman | julianoliver: not as rare as over here though I bet ;) | 01:55 |
| julianoliver | that said, as someone that's been in close proximity to a very large shark, none of that is any comfort. | 01:55 |
| julianoliver | lardman: where's 'here'? | 01:55 |
| lardman | UK :) | 01:55 |
| julianoliver | hehe | 01:55 |
| julianoliver | indeed | 01:55 |
| acidjazz | you said half moon bay? | 01:55 |
| acidjazz | in cali? | 01:55 |
| lardman | though per surfing capita....... | 01:56 |
| julianoliver | lardman: then yes, it's a problem of epidemic proportions. | 01:56 |
| crashanddie | lardman, http://people.cs.ubc.ca/~mbrown/panogallery/panogallery.html | 01:56 |
| julianoliver | anyway, night all | 01:56 |
| crashanddie | lardman, you'd be surprised at the number of surfers in the UK | 01:56 |
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| crashanddie | acidjazz, yeah, going to cal for a month | 01:57 |
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| lardman | night julianoliver | 01:57 |
| TommyBres | hey guys i just got my emu running, can someone help me get browser on there? | 01:57 |
| lardman | crashanddie: I know, but fewer than Oz I imagine | 01:57 |
| acidjazz | im in sf | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | lardman, this is the truly impressive stuff: http://people.cs.ubc.ca/~mbrown/panogallery/green2.html | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, cool, I'll be staying in Fremont | 01:58 |
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| acidjazz | crashanddie: got an n900 you wanna sell me? :) | 01:58 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie: you have yours yet? | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | I have one on loan from Nokia | 01:59 |
| acidjazz | oh one of the pre ones | 01:59 |
| acidjazz | howd you get it | 01:59 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, lol, last time I was in cal I asked for one nicely and they gave me one for 3 days ;) | 01:59 |
| crashanddie | (I had to do a presentation) | 01:59 |
| acidjazz | how do you ask, they have an office here? | 01:59 |
| acidjazz | the nokia ngage building in soma? | 01:59 |
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| crashanddie | Somewhere in Mt View | 02:00 |
| crashanddie | right off the freeway, take a right, big unmarked complex, looks good though | 02:00 |
| acidjazz | http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=nokia+mountain+view&fb=1&gl=us&hq=nokia&hnear=mountain+view&cid=0,0,3104505882658661920&ei=FMUNS4iNNYeEswP3_oDDCg&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQnwIwAA | 02:00 |
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| crashanddie | you won't get it without an appointment though ;) | 02:00 |
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| crashanddie | get in** | 02:00 |
| acidjazz | you went there and asked for one? | 02:00 |
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| acidjazz | lol how do i make an appt | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | yup, that's the one | 02:01 |
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| acidjazz | what do you do? whatd you make the appt for? | 02:01 |
| kynky | my n900 just 4mins ago set off on its journey from tamworth to leeds, and i work in leeds, n900 will be mine | 02:01 |
| acidjazz | http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/22639095.jpg | 02:01 |
| acidjazz | there we go | 02:01 |
| acidjazz | kynky: whatd you order from | 02:02 |
| kynky | nokia uk shop | 02:02 |
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| KenYoung | Proteous, FYI - If I just put my N900 on the net via WiFI, instead of GSM/3G, everything works easily, so I guess I'll just do that. | 02:03 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, I'm a security expert, I know a few R&D engineers in the cal office | 02:03 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz, I forgot my N900 in London, asked if I could borrow one as I needed to do a presentation, they were happy to help | 02:04 |
| crashanddie | KenYoung, yeah, it's quite a lot of hassle, plus it's not like you need the ssh console that much on the NIT anyway | 02:05 |
| crashanddie | KenYoung, plus, keeping an active SSH session over 3G would probably drain the battery a bit more | 02:06 |
| KenYoung | crashanddie, Yeah, I really only need to be able to do this from home or work anyway. Thanks for your helpful messages earlier. | 02:06 |
| crashanddie | KenYoung, no wifi at work? | 02:07 |
| kynky | crashanddie, guess it depends on th keepalive, but ssh with compression on idle, wont send much data, and use screen anyway and detach when not in use | 02:07 |
| KenYoung | Yeah, WiFI at home and work, so this solution works at any desktop I really care about. | 02:07 |
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| KenYoung | I'm used to an Openmoko phone, where it's easy to ssh over USB. | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | KenYoung, we'll have USBNet soon enough ;) | 02:09 |
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| crashanddie | that or you'll have to wait for someone to finally implement the long awaited IP over FM | 02:09 |
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| KenYoung | crashanddie, There's the IR port, too. | 02:10 |
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| crashanddie | heh, SSH over IR | 02:10 |
| crashanddie | how mid-80s-bad-hacker-movie is that | 02:10 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | "If we get a mirror to reflect the signals into the mainframe receiver, I will be able to connect as if I was in front of it!" | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | anyone else just had a geeky thought about taking over those old wireless infrared keyboards? | 02:12 |
| KenYoung | crashanddie, FOr a mid 80's hacker movie, it would just work with no fiddling, between two machines the hacker had never touched. | 02:12 |
| crashanddie | heh, yeah | 02:12 |
| crashanddie | "Let me connect to the pentagon website" | 02:12 |
| KenYoung | Oh, the password is the Secretary of Defense's son's name! | 02:13 |
| Shapeshifter | hacker is suck a funny movie | 02:13 |
| Shapeshifter | I like the bad guy on the skateboard. | 02:14 |
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| acidjazz | crashanddie: oh nice | 02:14 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie: i was in the sec industry for 5-6 years | 02:14 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie: foundstone | 02:14 |
| crashanddie | KenYoung, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6C_HjWr3Nk#t=1m50s | 02:14 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie: don trly do that that muhc anymore, but still have alot of close friends in the industry | 02:15 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie: whatd you do a presentation on? mobile security? | 02:15 |
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| crashanddie | acidjazz, something like that :) | 02:18 |
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| acidjazz | crashanddie: you know zane lackey or luis miras ? | 02:19 |
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| crashanddie | isn't zane a BH guy? | 02:20 |
| acidjazz | yup | 02:20 |
| crashanddie | think I've seen some of his talks | 02:20 |
| crashanddie | but don't know him personally | 02:20 |
| crashanddie | don't know the other one | 02:20 |
| acidjazz | can i ask your name? | 02:20 |
| acidjazz | i command ur infos | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | lol | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | google me ;) | 02:21 |
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| andre__ | "This message has been rejected because it has a potentially executable attachment "foo.js". I want back those days when internet just worked(TM) and mail servers did not try to be smartasses | 02:22 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm out | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | later | 02:23 |
| acidjazz | cya | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | lardman, drop me an email about the stuff you need | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | lardman, no logging here, forgot the websites and shit. I'll have a look at the source code this weekend | 02:23 |
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| philosopher | does the n900 only have 65536 color ? | 02:24 |
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| philosopher | does the n900 only have 65536 color ? | 02:26 |
| kalikianafk | andre__, as far as I remember .js is actually executable on windows | 02:26 |
| kalikianafk | but I agree it's not helpful to reject it | 02:26 |
| philosopher | kalikianafk: any idea ? | 02:27 |
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| kalikianafk | philosopher, I don't remember off head I'm afriad. I can tell you that images display with enough colours but no idea how many it is capable of | 02:28 |
| philosopher | checking the official web site it is not mention there | 02:29 |
| philosopher | so i guess it is 65356... | 02:29 |
| philosopher | canceling my order lol | 02:29 |
| kalikianafk | what makes you worry about it in particular? | 02:29 |
| AakashPatel | yeah, what? | 02:29 |
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| Proteous | KenYoung: did you try it over 3g? I'm sort of interested it if works or not. | 02:32 |
| philosopher | 65356 is just not enought for me | 02:32 |
| kalikianafk | philosopher, how many do you need? | 02:32 |
| philosopher | my ast phone had 256 000 something | 02:33 |
| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/Implementing_and_Using_D-Bus_Signals | 02:33 |
| lardman | seems quite complex | 02:33 |
| philosopher | and that wasnt enought | 02:33 |
| lardman | crashanddie: thanks, websites, etc are in the code, commented out | 02:33 |
| lardman | crashanddie: and poorly implemented too ;) | 02:33 |
| KenYoung | Proteous, Yes, that's what I was originally trying, and I never got it to work. I ran sshd in debug mode, and it never saw anything coming in. I suspect T-Mobile does not allow that sort of traffic to go through. | 02:33 |
| kalikianafk | lardman, you can use osso rpc and have it easier :) | 02:34 |
| Proteous | hmm | 02:34 |
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| kalikianafk | philosopher, enough for what? | 02:35 |
| Proteous | I run a constant ssh connection with ATT on my n97 with no problem | 02:35 |
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| lardman | kalikianafk: I only want to send a signal with an attached string | 02:35 |
| philosopher | videos | 02:36 |
| lardman | all the making up classes seems like overkill to me | 02:36 |
| KenYoung | Hmmmm. I've been told the N900 won't work on AT&T's 3G network. Was I misinformed? | 02:36 |
| Proteous | I have a nokia n97 | 02:36 |
| AakashPatel | Nope | 02:36 |
| AakashPatel | KenYoung, It doesnt | 02:36 |
| Proteous | the n900 doesn't have att 3g frequencies | 02:36 |
| kalikianafk | lardman, then use libosso | 02:36 |
| kynky | works on t-mobile us ? | 02:36 |
| Proteous | yeah | 02:36 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 02:36 |
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| kalikianafk | philosopher, how many colours do your videos need? | 02:37 |
| KenYoung | Proteous, too bad. I have an AT&T account too, so if the N900 would work there, I could get rid of one bill. | 02:37 |
| Proteous | heh | 02:37 |
| lardman | kalikianafk: can libosso wake the process in question? | 02:37 |
| Proteous | ATT's data is starting to suck where I live | 02:37 |
| lardman | kalikianafk: I guess so as it uses DBus behind the scenes? | 02:37 |
| Proteous | I blame too many Iphone users | 02:37 |
| AakashPatel | It already sucks where i love | 02:37 |
| AakashPatel | No 3g :D | 02:37 |
| Proteous | heh | 02:37 |
| philosopher | kalikianafk: i dont know lol , just the video looked quite bad on my device compared to my psp... it was the sonyerison p1i | 02:37 |
| KenYoung | Proteous, iPhone overload? | 02:37 |
| kalikianafk | lardman, osso_application_top can | 02:37 |
| Proteous | I think so | 02:38 |
| kalikianafk | lardman, yep, it's completely dbus. just the API is a lot simpler that "raw" dbus | 02:38 |
| lardman | ok | 02:38 |
| kalikianafk | *than | 02:38 |
| lardman | I'd like an app to be able to send a message like org.maemo.mbarcode scan | 02:39 |
| kalikianafk | it checks whether the app (its service) is running and opens it if not | 02:39 |
| lardman | and have it start mbarcode if not running | 02:39 |
| lardman | ok cool | 02:39 |
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| KenYoung | Proteous, How do you like your N97? | 02:39 |
| kalikianafk | the only catch is, it won't handle someone calling your app via command line | 02:39 |
| kalikianafk | but that's not really a problem I'd say | 02:39 |
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| Proteous | KenYoung: For the most part it works fine, wish it had a faster CPU for rendering web pages | 02:40 |
| lardman | nah won't start from command line anyway | 02:40 |
| Proteous | KenYoung: I want a n900 though :) | 02:40 |
| kalikianafk | philosopher, so let's end the game. 16.7 million colours ought to be enough for you, you don't really have to worry about video quality on the n900 :) | 02:41 |
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| kynky | amazing dpi | 02:45 |
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| Arkenoi | what does yellow blinking mean? | 02:47 |
| Shapeshifter | Arkenoi: self destruction imminent | 02:48 |
| AakashPatel | an aplosion | 02:48 |
| AakashPatel | dang it Shapeshifter beat me to it | 02:48 |
| AakashPatel | and i spelled it wrong | 02:48 |
| AakashPatel | asplosion | 02:48 |
| AakashPatel | there we go haha | 02:48 |
| lardman | antone got an install file handy? | 02:48 |
| KenYoung | Arkenoi, chsrging. | 02:48 |
| KenYoung | Arkenoi, oops charging. | 02:49 |
| Arkenoi | looks like that | 02:49 |
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| Arkenoi | i started copying 8gb microsd to internal memory and it hangs, is it a good idea to wait more or to reboot? | 02:50 |
| AakashPatel | Is it still hung? | 02:51 |
| Arkenoi | the screen does not lit | 02:51 |
| Arkenoi | yep, for 5 minutes or so | 02:51 |
| AakashPatel | Oh hm, jut restart i suppose then | 02:51 |
| b-man17 | yup - reboot | 02:51 |
| b-man17 | it shouldn´t do too much harm | 02:52 |
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| kalikianafk | lardman, debian .install file? just lines in the form debian/tmp/usr/lib/lib*.so.* | 02:53 |
| lardman | kalikianafk: no, a .install file to install applications | 02:54 |
| lardman | but I've downloaded and copied it into a barcode | 02:54 |
| kalikianafk | ah | 02:54 |
| lardman | my install handler is segfaulting atm though, and I'm too tired to go on, so will fix it tomorrow | 02:55 |
| lardman | then I just have to persuade X-Fade to place barcodes on the Downloads.maemo.org pages :) | 02:55 |
| lardman | though actually to contain the entire contents of an install file they are pretty large, so might be better to go the android route and just have a shortcut to the necessary info | 02:56 |
| Arkenoi | oops, MyDocs is mounted readonly after boot | 02:56 |
| lardman | anyway, will look tomorrow | 02:56 |
| lardman | night all | 02:56 |
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| Arkenoi | will try to fsck it now | 02:59 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 03:00 |
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| Arkenoi | shouldn't it check filesystem on start and mount it r/w? | 03:03 |
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| Arkenoi | btw how am i supposed to fix filesystem without gainroot? | 03:05 |
| KenYoung | Arkenoi, Why not use gainroot? | 03:05 |
| kalikianafk | Arkenoi, if you have ssh installed you can login from ssh | 03:06 |
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| Arkenoi | well, i did, but n900 is marketed for end users without unix knowledge, what are they supposed to do if someting goes wrong? | 03:06 |
| kalikianafk | joe average will open the File Manager and format the memory | 03:07 |
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| GAN900 | Areknoi, why are they fixing the fs in the first place? :) | 03:21 |
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| * paroneayea gonna try to install debian onto a microsd card, if possible | 03:34 | |
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| Arkenoi | btw why is microSD is placed under the back cover? looks quite illogical | 03:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's easy | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Adding slots to cases has lots of costs. | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It makes the case much harder to make basicall.y | 03:37 |
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| paroneayea | I prefer the microsd to be there personally | 03:38 |
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| paroneayea | I used to dual boot on my zaurus, w/ one operating system being on the sd card | 03:38 |
| paroneayea | if you accidentally took that out | 03:38 |
| paroneayea | yikes | 03:39 |
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| Arkenoi | having 32Gb internal memory almost ensures that microSD is "external storage" indeed, it is not to stick there forever | 03:40 |
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| dmj726 | I would also prefer the (micro)sd to be on the outside...so it could be adapted to usb | 03:47 |
| AakashPatel | amazon is already shipping n900s :0 | 03:48 |
| AakashPatel | someone on twitter said | 03:48 |
| paroneayea | I get the sense that nokia underestimated the demand for the n900 | 03:49 |
| AakashPatel | Why | 03:49 |
| paroneayea | well: | 03:49 |
| dmj726 | at least it's not under the battery http://www.manifest-tech.com/media_pda/vzw_motorola_droid.htm | 03:49 |
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| paroneayea | AakashPatel: http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-in-store-sales-delayed-in-uk-2564484/ | 03:52 |
| paroneayea | http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/2009/11/25/nokia-n900-launch-delayed-115875-21850329/ | 03:53 |
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| CoreFusion- | What on earth are they blabbering about? Pushed to 4. dec? That has been the date for "street sales" for a long time now.... | 03:59 |
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| paroneayea | CoreFusion-: I bought mine in a nokia store... | 04:05 |
| paroneayea | unless you mean to non-nokia stores | 04:06 |
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| alecrim | how can I make repo http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/ work wih my distro? like mer did! | 04:07 |
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| yigal | j mer | 04:10 |
| yigal | oops | 04:10 |
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| dmj726 | Is the swirly gesture used in the browser for zoom easily applicable for other programs or does the browser handle all that? | 04:14 |
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| AakashPatel | anyone want google wave? | 04:20 |
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| pupnik | i just lost sound on browser | 04:36 |
| pupnik | is it useful AakashPatel . | 04:37 |
| AakashPatel | pupnik, Depends | 04:37 |
| AakashPatel | Do you have friends? | 04:37 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 04:37 |
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| pupnik | yes, we pass links in email and irc and skype chat | 04:38 |
| pupnik | whwhat do you do with wave? | 04:38 |
| pupnik | send short emails? | 04:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | This "Swype" input method is extremely clever. Why didn't anyone think of that before. It looks really smart. | 04:40 |
| AakashPatel | pupnik, ill send you one anyways | 04:41 |
| AakashPatel | pm me your email | 04:41 |
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| * paroneayea is looking for documentation on how to configure the nolo bootloader | 05:57 | |
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| KenYoung | Does anyone happen to know what the default password is (factory set) for the user account on an N900 ? | 06:20 |
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| greenfly | KenYoung: no password afaik | 06:24 |
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| KenYoung | greenfly, Well, if I try to ssh into the N900 as user, it asks for a password, and does not let me in if I just hit <return>. | 06:25 |
| Firebird | KenYoung, you need to ssh as root which you should have changed the password for | 06:25 |
| greenfly | yeah, you have to explicitly set one | 06:25 |
| greenfly | it's a security measure to avoid the sorts of fun hacks that have plagued jailbroken iPhones | 06:25 |
| KenYoung | OK, I was a bit worried that I might mess something up if I changed the password on the default account, but I'll try that now. | 06:26 |
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| raz955 | hey , Nokia 5800 or N95 8GB ? | 06:27 |
| greenfly | n900? | 06:27 |
| greenfly | :) | 06:27 |
| raz955 | no too expensive :( and i dont like keyboard kwerty | 06:28 |
| krfkeith | I'm reall sick of all the trolls on the maemo forums | 06:28 |
| raz955 | qwerty* | 06:28 |
| krfkeith | *really | 06:28 |
| raz955 | right now i have N95 8GB i have in this phone everything ( Speaker , Camera , Symbian , LOUD MUSIC) | 06:29 |
| raz955 | but its old and boring .. i think about 5800 what do you think ? | 06:29 |
| krfkeith | I like the e90, but that not be what you want | 06:30 |
| krfkeith | I'll buy your N95 ;-) | 06:30 |
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| krfkeith | *may not | 06:30 |
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| raz955 | ok | 06:30 |
| raz955 | what do you think about 5800 ? | 06:31 |
| raz955 | the speaker | 06:31 |
| krfkeith | no idea | 06:32 |
| krfkeith | never used the 5800 | 06:32 |
| raz955 | ok thanks anyway dude | 06:32 |
| krfkeith | no problem | 06:32 |
| krfkeith | but yeah I'm def interested in your N95 | 06:32 |
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| raz955 | who can give me details about 5800 please? | 06:34 |
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| Firebird | you're asking in the maemo channel? | 06:34 |
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| raz955 | its not a nokia irc channel ? | 06:35 |
| AakashPatel | no | 06:36 |
| ljp | google can give you details | 06:36 |
| AakashPatel | ljp++ | 06:36 |
| raz955 | well google give me details but i want more from exprenice users | 06:36 |
| AakashPatel | Does the 5800 run maemo? | 06:37 |
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| raz955 | wait i dont understand | 06:37 |
| raz955 | maemo its software ? | 06:37 |
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| AakashPatel | Yes | 06:37 |
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| AakashPatel | Mobile OS | 06:37 |
| clmntch | hello | 06:38 |
| AakashPatel | hey clmntch | 06:38 |
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| raz955 | maemo support 5800 ? | 06:38 |
| AakashPatel | Probably....not | 06:39 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 06:39 |
| Firebird | sigh... | 06:39 |
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| raz955 | oh | 06:39 |
| raz955 | maemo thats OS | 06:39 |
| raz955 | like symbian ... | 06:39 |
| AakashPatel | yes | 06:39 |
| AakashPatel | yes | 06:39 |
| clmntch | i got my n900 today | 06:40 |
| raz955 | congratz | 06:40 |
| AakashPatel | clmntch, did you order from nokia? | 06:40 |
| clmntch | yes | 06:40 |
| AakashPatel | ah | 06:40 |
| raz955 | well N900 its a heavy i think | 06:40 |
| Ford_Prefect | Anyone know if it is possible to play mp3s on the fremantle x86 SDK? | 06:40 |
| raz955 | but beauty | 06:40 |
| AakashPatel | its amazing HW | 06:40 |
| clmntch | it needs a few firmware upgrades, i'll say that much | 06:41 |
| paroneayea | so does anyone in here know anything about NOLO, the n900 bootloader, and how I might configure it to boot off of a microsd card? | 06:41 |
| AakashPatel | of course, it was just released ;) | 06:41 |
| clmntch | i suppose i should register and submit some bugs | 06:41 |
| AakashPatel | werd | 06:42 |
| raz955 | wow n900 very expensive | 06:42 |
| raz955 | not worth the money | 06:42 |
| clmntch | i payed 800$+ for my touch hd, and that wasn't worth the money | 06:43 |
| clmntch | however, i believe that the n900 will be worth it once they've made some fixes | 06:43 |
| AakashPatel | raz955, yeah it is | 06:43 |
| AakashPatel | 500 bucks for a phone of taht caliber is nice | 06:43 |
| raz955 | well i can tell you | 06:43 |
| raz955 | n95 8gb you can get everything in this phone | 06:43 |
| raz955 | and cheap | 06:44 |
| AakashPatel | uh | 06:44 |
| raz955 | give me 1 thing that n900 better | 06:44 |
| AakashPatel | gimme the n95 page | 06:44 |
| AakashPatel | found it | 06:44 |
| AakashPatel | maemo5 | 06:45 |
| AakashPatel | thats a plus lol | 06:45 |
| AakashPatel | full keyboard | 06:45 |
| AakashPatel | 32 gb storage | 06:45 |
| raz955 | keyboard not so good | 06:45 |
| raz955 | the buttons small | 06:45 |
| AakashPatel | 1GB of app memory | 06:46 |
| AakashPatel | eh | 06:46 |
| AakashPatel | WVGQ screen :) | 06:46 |
| raz955 | well | 06:46 |
| raz955 | after all, | 06:46 |
| AakashPatel | WVGA | 06:46 |
| raz955 | dont worth the money | 06:46 |
| microlith | you actually own the device :) | 06:46 |
| raz955 | N95 8GB worth the money | 06:46 |
| AakashPatel | erm imo its worth it | 06:46 |
| raz955 | N900 not | 06:46 |
| clmntch | i like it | 06:46 |
| microlith | the OS alone makes the N900 better than every other phone out there, imo | 06:46 |
| pupnik | there is no absolute measure of value | 06:47 |
| raz955 | Symbian better than maemo | 06:47 |
| microlith | raz955: heheheh, if you really think so | 06:47 |
| * microlith prefers an actual linux OS | 06:48 | |
| AakashPatel | hahahaha | 06:48 |
| raz955 | Maemo is new and alot of bugs | 06:48 |
| raz955 | slowly | 06:48 |
| AakashPatel | microlith, yeah, maemo is like a full linux desktop in your palm | 06:48 |
| raz955 | Symbian old and good :) | 06:48 |
| AakashPatel | but old | 06:48 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 06:48 |
| ljp | old is right, but good? debatable | 06:49 |
| AakashPatel | still not the full linux experience | 06:49 |
| raz955 | look | 06:49 |
| raz955 | nokia 3100 and n900 is almost the same | 06:49 |
| AakashPatel | uhh | 06:49 |
| AakashPatel | erm... | 06:49 |
| raz955 | in 3100 you have snake | 06:50 |
| microlith | lol | 06:50 |
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| AakashPatel | hahahaha | 06:50 |
| AakashPatel | raz955, in n900 you have full desktop apps | 06:50 |
| raz955 | in 5800 you have loud music | 06:51 |
| lcuk | raz955, 100% agree | 06:51 |
| lcuk | snake rocks | 06:51 |
| lcuk | we need maemo version | 06:51 |
| raz955 | do you have in n900 loud music ? NO ! | 06:51 |
| lcuk | making best use of hw | 06:51 |
| raz955 | you only have "QUAILTY" who need quailty ? i want loud ! | 06:51 |
| lcuk | snake HD tv out super 3d vision | 06:51 |
| AakashPatel | hahha | 06:51 |
| raz955 | "quailty music" only for geeks | 06:51 |
| AakashPatel | lcuk, when i get my n900 ill do it | 06:51 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 06:51 |
| microlith | raz955: you're pretty funny | 06:51 |
| lcuk | someone is making a mod tracker | 06:52 |
| lcuk | we can be old shool | 06:52 |
| microlith | lcuk: multiplayer | 06:52 |
| AakashPatel | sweet | 06:52 |
| lcuk | #skool | 06:52 |
| AakashPatel | word dawg | 06:52 |
| raz955 | N86 is "music quailty" but the sound very low | 06:52 |
| raz955 | why all the ppls think about quailty ? | 06:52 |
| * AakashPatel hopes you're joking lol | 06:53 | |
| microlith | because loud, distorted music sucks? | 06:53 |
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| * microlith plans on using headphones, anyway | 06:53 | |
| raz955 | No | 06:53 |
| raz955 | in n95 8gb you have loud and quailty too | 06:53 |
| AakashPatel | ...erm | 06:53 |
| raz955 | if you dont play with Equilazer | 06:53 |
| AakashPatel | raz955, I got an idea...Hook it up to your car...and blast the speakers | 06:53 |
| AakashPatel | CLEAR AND LOUD! | 06:53 |
| lcuk | raz955, sound is fine from n900 | 06:53 |
| raz955 | i have Subaru Justy | 06:53 |
| lcuk | and yeah radio tx rocks | 06:53 |
| lcuk | as does tv out | 06:54 |
| microlith | lcuk: what's the range on the FM xmitter? | 06:54 |
| lcuk | send audio through your stereo system | 06:54 |
| AakashPatel | as does everything else the n900 has to offer | 06:54 |
| lcuk | microlith, i dunno, from the passenger seat to antenna i suppose | 06:54 |
| lcuk | ive used it from bedroom window | 06:54 |
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| lcuk | to car downstairs | 06:54 |
| lcuk | but its about same distance | 06:54 |
| raz955 | all the "geeks" use earphone , because the "quailty" and "radiation" why the hell you need that ? | 06:54 |
| microlith | lcuk: that's pretty good, certainly better than others I've used (and less annoying) | 06:54 |
| raz955 | enjoy your phone with BLAST SPeAKERS | 06:54 |
| microlith | raz955: do you know what you're talking about? | 06:55 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 06:55 |
| AakashPatel | i dont think you do | 06:55 |
| raz955 | N900 good phone but expensive | 06:55 |
| AakashPatel | microlith, he knows he wants to blast his speakers lol | 06:55 |
| raz955 | dont worth the money | 06:55 |
| AakashPatel | good/great | 06:55 |
| raz955 | why you need pay alot of money for phone ? | 06:55 |
| AakashPatel | and totally worth my 500 bucks | 06:55 |
| AakashPatel | dude | 06:55 |
| raz955 | you can get a chepaerr | 06:55 |
| lcuk | its a computer | 06:55 |
| AakashPatel | thats cheap for a phone like that | 06:55 |
| AakashPatel | lcuk++ | 06:56 |
| * luke-jr would gladly pay $800 or so for a good phone, but N900 doesn't cut the bill. | 06:56 | |
| raz955 | no its not | 06:56 |
| microlith | raz955: wait a year, it'll be cheaper | 06:56 |
| AakashPatel | raz955, uhh dude | 06:56 |
| AakashPatel | look at hte nokia page | 06:56 |
| lcuk | a fucking amazing computer | 06:56 |
| AakashPatel | it even says mobile computer | 06:56 |
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| raz955 | moer year you will get n90000 and no n900 | 06:56 |
| AakashPatel | its a mobile computer, with calling as a feature | 06:56 |
| raz955 | more * | 06:56 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 06:56 |
| lcuk | nOVER9000 | 06:56 |
| raz955 | with Maemo Supoer and all that bullshit | 06:56 |
| microlith | lcuk: woohoo! | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | AakashPatel: all cell phones are computers | 06:56 |
| raz955 | only before my n86 fall to toeilt | 06:57 |
| raz955 | what i need that shit | 06:57 |
| raz955 | toilet * | 06:57 |
| AakashPatel | luke-jr, eh this one you can actually compare though ;) | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | but it's not a *general purpose* computer if you can't run a *general purpose* OS | 06:57 |
| raz955 | i talk in phone and my phone fall down to toilet | 06:57 |
| raz955 | with all the pee and shit | 06:57 |
| microlith | I got it | 06:57 |
| microlith | raz955 is a troll | 06:57 |
| AakashPatel | Okay... | 06:57 |
| AakashPatel | microlith, yeah. | 06:57 |
| krfkeith | raz955: lovely... | 06:57 |
| greenfly | troll or not, raz955 is funny | 06:58 |
| raz955 | i am serious | 06:58 |
| AakashPatel | Shits and gigggles for a while | 06:58 |
| raz955 | i search a small bag to took it | 06:58 |
| AakashPatel | then it gets old lol | 06:58 |
| raz955 | but i get one | 06:58 |
| raz955 | i have warrenty and trick to "hide" corrosion | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | I spent $800 on my first handheld. | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | $200 on my second. | 06:58 |
| krfkeith | could someone help me with flashing my n900? I'll be in #maemo-help so as to no flood this channel with an unrelated conversation | 06:58 |
| * AakashPatel spent 400 on his second :/ | 06:58 | |
| luke-jr | for my third, I plan to spend $800-$1000, but I'm waiting for a good one | 06:58 |
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| luke-jr | my first handheld was more useful than my second | 06:59 |
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| luke-jr | 1. Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 | 06:59 |
| AakashPatel | luke-jr, i'll wait for a phone thats worth that much lol | 06:59 |
| luke-jr | 2. Nokia N810 | 06:59 |
| raz955 | n900 classic phone | 06:59 |
| raz955 | very simple | 06:59 |
| raz955 | poor camera | 06:59 |
| krfkeith | I love the Zaurus | 06:59 |
| luke-jr | the key difference is the keyboard | 06:59 |
| raz955 | only the geeks see the "quailty" in this phone | 06:59 |
| luke-jr | SL-C760's keyboard was awesome, compared to the N810's barely usable one | 07:00 |
| microlith | raz955: if you don't like it, why are you here? | 07:00 |
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| krfkeith | exacltly | 07:00 |
| raz955 | to tell you dont buy it | 07:00 |
| luke-jr | raz955: it's not supposed to be a phone nor a camera. | 07:00 |
| raz955 | you can do more better with your money | 07:00 |
| microlith | raz955: what should I get instead then? | 07:00 |
| luke-jr | raz955: I'm not buying it, but those aren't the reasons why. | 07:00 |
| luke-jr | microlith: that indeed is a good question that I can't find an answer to :( | 07:00 |
| raz955 | you can buy n95 8gb and save your money for bike | 07:00 |
| raz955 | or subaru justy with blast spekaers | 07:01 |
| luke-jr | raz955: except N95 is a phone at best | 07:01 |
| microlith | raz955: already have a bike, and the N95 doesn't do what I want | 07:01 |
| luke-jr | N900 is not a phone. | 07:01 |
| raz955 | N900 not a phone ? | 07:01 |
| AakashPatel | LOL what? | 07:01 |
| microlith | luke-jr: it's because there's nothing else like it aside from the Neo Freerunner, and that's not a very good device | 07:01 |
| AakashPatel | you just contradicted me | 07:01 |
| luke-jr | raz955: phone capabilities are a side effect for the N900 | 07:01 |
| luke-jr | raz955: the goal was a 24/7 internet connection | 07:01 |
| raz955 | look N900 its simple phone with poor os like maemo | 07:02 |
| raz955 | very simple | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | all the predecessors didn't even have phone capability | 07:02 |
| AakashPatel | your mind wroks in a simple way | 07:02 |
| raz955 | Symbian 4 Ever | 07:02 |
| AakashPatel | okay, this isnt the symbian channel | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | dedicated phones are lame. | 07:02 |
| microlith | raz955: fine, have fun porting all your apps to symbian | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | when I find a handheld I like, my "phone" will be a bluetooth headset | 07:02 |
| AstralStorm | troll must be thinking "yum yum tasty" | 07:02 |
| AstralStorm | btw, hi | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | microlith: no need, Qt4 supports Symbian | 07:02 |
| raz955 | in symbian you can call to ppls without problems | 07:02 |
| raz955 | in maemo you need click 7 buttons to call | 07:03 |
| AstralStorm | luke-jr: qt4 is but a tiny thing to port | 07:03 |
| microlith | luke-jr: great, which means nothing for Gtk+ apps | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | raz955: that's because Maemo isn't for phones. | 07:03 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | microlith: GTK+ sucks. I wouldn't use those apps on ANY platform. | 07:03 |
| krfkeith | raz955: so wait, because the earlier tablets didn't have a phone fucntionailty they were simple? | 07:03 |
| AakashPatel | who calls anyways these daysh | 07:03 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 07:03 |
| AstralStorm | luke-jr: of course, you also have a zillion of other APIs to port | 07:03 |
| microlith | luke-jr: let me guess, you run KDE? | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | AstralStorm: no. | 07:03 |
| raz955 | KDE is shit too | 07:03 |
| raz955 | i have bugs with RTL | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | microlith: yes, KDE/Gentoo/GNU/Linux | 07:03 |
| microlith | ah | 07:03 |
| AstralStorm | luke-jr: ALSA, anything network-related | 07:03 |
| krfkeith | you do realize your precious Symbian came from EPOC which was originally on PDAs and not smartphones | 07:03 |
| raz955 | i have KDE its very beauty but alot of bugs | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | AstralStorm: Qt4 abstracts all that. | 07:04 |
| raz955 | but after all buy n900 | 07:04 |
| raz955 | good phone i love it | 07:04 |
| AstralStorm | luke-jr: except nobody uses those abstractions yet. hahaha | 07:04 |
| raz955 | new os | 07:04 |
| AstralStorm | luke-jr: find me a Qt4 app using Qt4 for networking | 07:04 |
| AstralStorm | kmail doesn't count, it uses KDE libs | 07:04 |
| AstralStorm | not Qt. | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | I think I wrote one, once... | 07:04 |
| AstralStorm | one, once. | 07:04 |
| AstralStorm | exactly | 07:04 |
| AstralStorm | now you see the amount of porting work | 07:05 |
| raz955 | so 5800 or n95 8gb | 07:05 |
| AstralStorm | :) | 07:05 |
| AstralStorm | raz955: have fun with either | 07:05 |
| AstralStorm | they're both so-so phones | 07:05 |
| raz955 | whats this so-so- ? | 07:05 |
| AstralStorm | not too good as PDAs or more advanced devices | 07:05 |
| AstralStorm | raz955: they're mediocre | 07:05 |
| raz955 | i need a Good speaker | 07:05 |
| microlith | then get real speakers | 07:06 |
| microlith | not some tiny things embedded in a phone | 07:06 |
| AstralStorm | n95 being a "multimedia" phone fails at it due to bad sound output and mediocre display | 07:06 |
| AstralStorm | no speaker will help bad DSP chip | 07:06 |
| raz955 | n95 have bad sound ? | 07:06 |
| raz955 | uou just jealious you want n95 | 07:06 |
| AstralStorm | not good, I'd say | 07:06 |
| microlith | raz955: tiny speakers have bad sound inherently | 07:06 |
| AstralStorm | lol | 07:06 |
| AakashPatel | whos an op in here | 07:06 |
| AakashPatel | kick this n00b | 07:06 |
| AstralStorm | raz955: google "cellphone sound tests" | 07:07 |
| AstralStorm | there are at least 2 very good sources | 07:07 |
| raz955 | i dont need to google | 07:07 |
| raz955 | you can hear yourself | 07:07 |
| raz955 | whats better and what shit like n900 | 07:07 |
| AakashPatel | then shut it | 07:07 |
| AstralStorm | note: n810 has the same sound output as n95 | 07:07 |
| AakashPatel | raz955, Why the FUCK do we care? | 07:07 |
| AstralStorm | it is -76 dBA noise at best | 07:07 |
| raz955 | beacause i care about you | 07:07 |
| microlith | ... | 07:07 |
| microlith | raz955: please troll somewhere else | 07:07 |
| AstralStorm | but, n810 has far better speakers at least | 07:07 |
| raz955 | look | 07:07 |
| AakashPatel | AstralStorm, dont make him talk any more | 07:07 |
| AakashPatel | plz lol | 07:08 |
| microlith | raz955: you do not understand what the N900 is about | 07:08 |
| raz955 | where i can get awnsers | 07:08 |
| raz955 | for my questions | 07:08 |
| AstralStorm | AakashPatel: finished. | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | raz955: N900 doesn't compete with N95 | 07:08 |
| AstralStorm | I'll just give you all those 2 good links for sound tests | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | N900 competes with OpenPandora. | 07:08 |
| AstralStorm | someone should measure n900 like that | 07:08 |
| raz955 | panadora its linux | 07:08 |
| raz955 | what the hell | 07:08 |
| AakashPatel | wah the fuck do you know | 07:08 |
| raz955 | openSUSE 11.2 better | 07:08 |
| greenfly | luke-jr: but the OpenPandora wins the pre-order delay contest | 07:08 |
| AakashPatel | raz955, read a book once and a while | 07:08 |
| raz955 | i dont like books | 07:08 |
| * AakashPatel shuts his loud mouth | 07:08 | |
| microlith | raz955: you do realize SuSE is linux, right? | 07:08 |
| AakashPatel | and you do realize openpandora is a DEVICE | 07:09 |
| raz955 | yes | 07:09 |
| AakashPatel | OKay end of story | 07:09 |
| raz955 | ok | 07:09 |
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| TommyBres | hey guys i got my emu working but there are no apps, how do i get browser on there? | 07:10 |
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| Ford_Prefect | How awesome is this. gdb dies with a core dump when I'm trying to load a core file. | 07:10 |
| microlith | Ford_Prefect: two bugs in one? | 07:10 |
| greenfly | Ford_Prefect: the only thing to do now is see if gdb dies when it loads its own core | 07:10 |
| Ford_Prefect | I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong | 07:10 |
| TommyBres | when in doubt, blame microsoft | 07:11 |
| Ford_Prefect | greenfly, the very fabric of space-time will tear! | 07:11 |
| Ford_Prefect | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > ms-gdb | 07:11 |
| Ford_Prefect | bash: ms-gdb: command not found | 07:11 |
| Ford_Prefect | Stupid Microsoft | 07:11 |
| johnx | is ms-gdb like Ms. Pacman? Does it have more levels? | 07:11 |
| TommyBres | lol | 07:12 |
| raz955 | ok i have idea | 07:12 |
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| raz955 | hey hey | 07:14 |
| raz955 | i need somebody hey hey is there and body ? | 07:14 |
| raz955 | hey hey i need some body tuewndy | 07:14 |
| microlith | do you need somebody to love? | 07:14 |
| raz955 | ze kvar eser dakot sheani mitapek lo livkot | 07:14 |
| raz955 | mul eynciach shelo mehayhot | 07:14 |
| raz955 | ani gever halash she mahzik et gufo mitapek | 07:15 |
| raz955 | ya ben shel zona :) | 07:15 |
| Ford_Prefect | everybody needs somebody to love | 07:16 |
| Ford_Prefect | o/-< | 07:16 |
| Ford_Prefect | o\-< | 07:16 |
| raz955 | well right now i am not virgin i "destroy" it before 2 months | 07:17 |
| raz955 | in tel aviv-yafo parttyyyyy | 07:17 |
| raz955 | oh yeah babee | 07:17 |
| Ford_Prefect | Sigh, is _anybody_ using the armel target? | 07:17 |
| microlith | Ford_Prefect: no one who is on at the moment, probably have to wait for timeless_mbp to roll back around | 07:17 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 07:18 |
| timeless_mbp | define using | 07:18 |
| Ford_Prefect | Have you tried running anything on it? | 07:18 |
| Ford_Prefect | I'm trying to run pulseaudio there, and it just hangs | 07:18 |
| Ford_Prefect | The core dump is unreadable | 07:18 |
| timeless_mbp | you understand that officially sbox-qemu is only for building | 07:18 |
| timeless_mbp | not running | 07:18 |
| timeless_mbp | it's not an emulator | 07:18 |
| timeless_mbp | it's an sdk | 07:18 |
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| Ford_Prefect | I don't have a device at the moment, so was hoping to try it out | 07:19 |
| raz955 | kde is very shitty | 07:19 |
| raz955 | but i love the design | 07:19 |
| TommyBres | timeless_mbp: yeah but when i'm in the emu, there's no browser | 07:19 |
| raz955 | not a multilanguage | 07:19 |
| TommyBres | and i want one, so i can use the emulator as a phone without calls | 07:19 |
| Ford_Prefect | timeless_mbp, thanks, will not waste time on that then | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: qemu is an emulator. a SDK should use a cross-compiler. | 07:19 |
| * timeless_mbp tries to figure out why raz955 was transliterating hebrew into #maemo | 07:20 | |
| raz955 | a - osher poooooooo ohhhhohhhhhh ZE KVAR 10 DAKOT(MINUTES) !!! sheani mitapek lo livkot(cry) | 07:20 |
| luke-jr | TommyBres: calls are what define a phone. a N900 w/o calls is not even slightly phone-related | 07:20 |
| Ford_Prefect | timeless_mbp, is it expected that mp3s don't play in the SDK | 07:20 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: the problem is that a lot of linux style packages except to be able to run code as part of their build system | 07:20 |
| Ford_Prefect | (pardon the n00b questions ... I am a n00b) | 07:20 |
| timeless_mbp | Ford_Prefect: dunno | 07:20 |
| TommyBres | luke-jr: okay sir, i would like a MAEMO RUNNING DEVICE THAT CAN BROWSE THE INTERNET | 07:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't expect audio to work in an sdk | 07:21 |
| TommyBres | that's what i want the EMULATOR for | 07:21 |
| raz955 | why no one love me ? | 07:21 |
| Ford_Prefect | timeless_mbp, it does, actually | 07:21 |
| Ford_Prefect | After some massaging | 07:21 |
| raz955 | why no one give me awnser? | 07:21 |
| raz955 | i do something wrong ? | 07:21 |
| krfkeith | raz955: cuz i u luv me symbian | 07:21 |
| TommyBres | i've used the android emulator, the webos emulator, they don't suck nearly as bad as maemo's | 07:21 |
| krfkeith | I | 07:21 |
| raz955 | i love the touch | 07:21 |
| raz955 | with your fingers | 07:21 |
| krfkeith | I'm still needing help with flashing my N900 if anyone would care | 07:22 |
| timeless_mbp | TommyBres: we don't have an emulator | 07:22 |
| krfkeith | raz955: yes, many of us enjoy touchscreens | 07:22 |
| timeless_mbp | so you're comparing apples to air | 07:22 |
| TommyBres | well my phone actually has a screen that doesn't suck (capacitive), so i like touching with fingers too :P | 07:22 |
| TommyBres | timeless_mbp: sure you do, i ran it just a little while ago | 07:22 |
| microlith | .... | 07:22 |
| Ford_Prefect | BTW, the browser works just fine on me with SB+Xephyr | 07:22 |
| TommyBres | it's just linux-only, which blows in itself but i'm past it | 07:22 |
| AstralStorm | timeless_mbp: oranges. apples are a different thing altogether | 07:22 |
| AstralStorm | ;) | 07:22 |
| Ford_Prefect | Sans Flash, of course | 07:22 |
| * timeless_mbp pats this mac book pro | 07:22 | |
| TommyBres | Ford_Prefect: orly | 07:22 |
| johnx | TomaszD, did you have a question? | 07:22 |
| * TommyBres laughs at your MBP | 07:22 | |
| Ford_Prefect | TommyBres, yep - worked fine from the start for me | 07:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway. i use armel just for incredibly basic compiling | 07:23 |
| johnx | krfkeith, what happens when you try to flash? | 07:23 |
| pupnik | i award TommyBres the b-plus silver trolling award | 07:23 |
| johnx | pupnik, really? I think he needs to put more heart into it | 07:23 |
| TommyBres | Ford_Prefect: how'd you get it on there? | 07:23 |
| TommyBres | i don't see a browser in the emu | 07:23 |
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| TommyBres | pupnik: you'll know when i'm trolling, slight jabs at the sdk are far from it | 07:24 |
| xnt14[laptop] | ~seen b-man17 | 07:24 |
| infobot | b-man17 <n=b-man17@pool-98-115-74-139.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4h 32m 22s ago, saying: 'it shouldn´t do too much harm'. | 07:24 |
| pupnik | johnx: i stand corrected | 07:24 |
| xnt14[laptop] | hmm | 07:24 |
| Ford_Prefect | TommyBres, 'af-sb-init.sh start' and voila, it's the first thing in app list as 'Web' | 07:25 |
| TommyBres | wow, see, mine isn't there for some reason | 07:25 |
| TommyBres | i have app manager and settings, and that's it... there are links on the home screens, and i can't even open them (facebook/twitter/etc) | 07:25 |
| Ford_Prefect | That is weird | 07:26 |
| Ford_Prefect | Any errors onthe terminal? | 07:26 |
| TommyBres | no | 07:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Ford_Prefect: what did you install? | 07:26 |
| krfkeith | johnx: read this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35132 | 07:26 |
| TommyBres | well, when i was downloading the nokia binaries there was some sort of error, but my friend got the same one when installing his, maybe a server was down or something? | 07:26 |
| clmntch | does anyone know how to enable the telepathy plugins on the n900 | 07:26 |
| timeless_mbp | because the minimal box won't give you anything | 07:26 |
| krfkeith | that's why I need to flash | 07:26 |
| timeless_mbp | (well it gives you what TommyBres saw) | 07:27 |
| johnx | krfkeith, alright, so what OS are you running on the machine you want to flash from? | 07:27 |
| krfkeith | XP | 07:27 |
| TommyBres | timeless_mbp: which is why i came here and asked how to install the browser :P | 07:27 |
| jaem | clmntch, which ones? | 07:27 |
| timeless_mbp | the meta package is osso-browser | 07:27 |
| timeless_mbp | but i have no idea how one arranges to get it | 07:27 |
| jaem | clmntch, it depends, and most (none?) of the extra ones are in the stable repo yet | 07:27 |
| johnx | krfkeith, have you tried the nokia software update tool? | 07:27 |
| clmntch | jaem: aim mostly | 07:27 |
| krfkeith | johnx: nope, I haven't should I? | 07:27 |
| johnx | let me find a link | 07:27 |
| clmntch | ahhh | 07:28 |
| jaem | clmntch, I think you may have to go through Pidgin's libpurple for that atm | 07:28 |
| krfkeith | johnx: as mentioned in th thread, I can't actually boot all the way | 07:28 |
| TommyBres | hmm lame | 07:28 |
| jaem | clmntch, it's in extras-testing or extras-devel (not sure which). If it's in -devel, it might eat your hamster | 07:28 |
| timeless_mbp | i believe the browser is in nokia closed which means you'd probably have needed to agree to the nokia closed license when you used the SDK installer script | 07:28 |
| johnx | krfkeith, it should be fine. the nokia tool talks to the N900 at a pretty low level | 07:28 |
| jaem | clmntch, you have been warned | 07:28 |
| krfkeith | ok | 07:28 |
| krfkeith | well, I'll try that | 07:28 |
| clmntch | jaem: thanks | 07:28 |
| jaem | clmntch, seriously, though, I'd strongly recommend against using software in -devel, but it is there if you must | 07:29 |
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| jaem | some of it's pret-ty bad... | 07:29 |
| johnx | http://europe.nokia.com/get-support-and-software/download-software/device-software-update | 07:29 |
| clmntch | it's not going to get stable until somebody uses it | 07:29 |
| johnx | krfkeith, ^ | 07:29 |
| TommyBres | timeless_mbp: i agreed to the EULA | 07:29 |
| jaem | clmntch, yes, but that's what -testing is for | 07:29 |
| krfkeith | johnx: thanks | 07:29 |
| TommyBres | and like i said, when installing the nokia binaries there were issues with some of them that my friend also got | 07:29 |
| jaem | ...builds that are for testing | 07:29 |
| TommyBres | i have a feeling some server was down or something was off on there side that didn't allow everything to download | 07:30 |
| timeless_mbp | TommyBres: doesn't sound good | 07:30 |
| johnx | krfkeith, and for the record, there's a wiki page with more info here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 07:30 |
| timeless_mbp | note that i haven't agreed to the license | 07:30 |
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| jaem | -devel is just for devs that need to stick their apps (however broken) in a repo | 07:30 |
| timeless_mbp | so my sdk doesn't have them :) | 07:30 |
| krfkeith | ok, I had seen that | 07:30 |
| TommyBres | heh | 07:30 |
| AstralStorm | http://www.wirelessinfo.com/content/Nokia-N95-Review/Audio-Quality.htm | 07:32 |
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| AstralStorm | get those guys to measure N900 as well :) | 07:32 |
| AstralStorm | maybe they've done so already | 07:32 |
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| AstralStorm | they've tested 5800 and N96 | 07:34 |
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| AstralStorm | I remember another test that checked sound quality with headphones | 07:35 |
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| Ford_Prefect | timeless_mbp, the latest SDK from the site | 07:39 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: such is a broken build system | 07:40 |
| timeless_mbp | i only trade in urls :) | 07:40 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: yeah um, welll | 07:40 |
| timeless_mbp | the assumption is that most systems are broken | 07:41 |
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| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: Maemo, aiming to be a system, should be able to manage this :p | 07:42 |
| timeless_mbp | ever tried herding cats? | 07:42 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, cross compiling arbitrary packages? you're kidding right? | 07:43 |
| johnx | I mean, if it works so well for you, why were you compiling packages natively on your N810? | 07:44 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | johnx: because my handheld is supposed to be self-hosting? | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | otherwise it's more like a PDA | 07:46 |
| johnx | mornin' RST38h | 07:47 |
| johnx | luke-jr, so you actually have a working gentoo cross compile env on your desktop, right? | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | johnx: yes, but not targetting my N810 | 07:47 |
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| luke-jr | targetting Windows and my cable modem :p | 07:48 |
| johnx | if I recall, the only people who ever tried cross compiling x86 gentoo to arm gentoo ran into huge amounts of pain and frustration | 07:49 |
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| krfkeith | sorry had to reconnect | 07:49 |
| krfkeith | johnx: are you around? | 07:50 |
| johnx | krfkeith, no worries. got it working? | 07:50 |
| krfkeith | the nokia updater doesn't seem to work | 07:50 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: #gentoo-embedded people do it all the time | 07:50 |
| krfkeith | it won't recognize my device | 07:50 |
| Ford_Prefect | luke-jr, some things do break on the cross-compile. It's a bit of a moving target. | 07:50 |
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| krfkeith | johnx: unfortunately not | 07:50 |
| johnx | krfkeith, what does it say? | 07:51 |
| Ford_Prefect | And it's best to have a couple of the crossdev packages to unb0rk host-dependent autofoo stuff | 07:51 |
| krfkeith | johnx: "unable to find connected device" | 07:52 |
| johnx | krfkeith, what does the N900 do when you plug it in? | 07:53 |
| krfkeith | should I try the command line flasher then? | 07:53 |
| johnx | does it show the NOKIA screen? does it show a "usb" icon | 07:53 |
| L0cutus | re | 07:53 |
| johnx | ? | 07:53 |
| krfkeith | umm | 07:53 |
| krfkeith | well, most of the time the screen is black with the little orangle lite on (solid) | 07:53 |
| krfkeith | but occasionally it will cycle on and off and show the nokia logo with a backlight | 07:54 |
| krfkeith | it buzzes whenever it does this | 07:54 |
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| johnx | ah, so you start Nokia software updater thing, pull the battery on your n900, then put the battery in and plug it into usb, right? | 07:54 |
| tigert | morn | 07:55 |
| tigert | no | 07:55 |
| tigert | well | 07:55 |
| tigert | plug usb first | 07:55 |
| krfkeith | johnx: oh, no, I haven't tried pulling the battery, lemme try that | 07:55 |
| tigert | then batt | 07:55 |
| tigert | at least works with linux flasher | 07:55 |
| johnx | ah, really? it shouldn't try to start before you hit the power button or plug in usb | 07:56 |
| johnx | but really either way should work, so if one doesn't, try the other :) | 07:56 |
| krfkeith | ok | 07:56 |
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| krfkeith | well, I 1) started the updater, 2) plugged in the USB cable, and 3) put in the batt and nothing happens | 07:57 |
| krfkeith | no light, nada | 07:57 |
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| krfkeith | yep, the updater just said it couldn't find the device | 07:58 |
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| tigert | then press power to boot it if it doesnt otherwise | 07:59 |
| tigert | but the device always boots to a low level mode when battery is in | 08:00 |
| tigert | otherwise alarms wouldnt work when device is "off" | 08:00 |
| RST38h | Pandora! Pandora! http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/11/pandora-final-assembly.jpg | 08:00 |
| RST38h | Looks more like some homebrewn DSi mod, but who am I to judge... | 08:01 |
| RST38h | "dutiful souls behind what's sure to become the world's next favorite pocket gizmo actually have some proof that mass production is tantalizingly near." | 08:02 |
| krfkeith | tigert: I tried that | 08:02 |
| krfkeith | it refuses to boot | 08:02 |
| tigert | hm | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: did you read the associated blog? | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: they skipped the finish on the test cases | 08:03 |
| tigert | krfkeith: let me read scrollback :) | 08:03 |
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| luke-jr | curiously, I just noticed Pandora's got better specs than N900 ;) | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | N900 = OMAP3430 - 600 MHz ARM Cortex A8 + PowerVR SGX 530 GPU + 430MHz C64x+ DSP + ISP (Image Signal Processor) | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | Pandora = OMAP3530 - 720 MHz ARM Cortex A8 + PowerVR SGX530 GPU + 520 MHz C64x+ DSP + ISP (Image Signal Processor) | 08:04 |
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| tigert | krfkeith: you could try advdnturous, ubuntu in vmware + linux flasher maybe | 08:05 |
| RST38h | Pandora is also made of vapor, things made of vapor are always shinier | 08:05 |
| krfkeith | tigert: I'm using the GUI updater in the windows | 08:06 |
| tigert | i have never used the windowsflasher, but i guess it has docs on what to do with the device when flashing | 08:06 |
| tigert | if that doesnt work, i guess someone knows more about that :( | 08:06 |
| krfkeith | should I try the CL one? | 08:06 |
| krfkeith | also, the phone shows the Nokia logo atm, but the update still doesn't recognize it | 08:06 |
| tigert | the topright corner has a usb logo briefly when it boots | 08:07 |
| tigert | in the nokia logo screen iirc | 08:07 |
| krfkeith | yeah, mine does | 08:07 |
| krfkeith | shoot, the logo went away | 08:07 |
| tigert | that is the moment when it should hook up | 08:07 |
| tigert | and start flashng | 08:07 |
| tigert | try another usdb port? | 08:08 |
| krfkeith | ye | 08:08 |
| krfkeith | *yep | 08:08 |
| tigert | without usb hub etc | 08:08 |
| krfkeith | ok | 08:08 |
| johnx | and you're using the nokia usb cable, right? | 08:08 |
| krfkeith | yes | 08:08 |
| krfkeith | whenever it does have the nokia logo it reboots like every 20 sec | 08:08 |
| tigert | yea, if it boots to the usblogo thingy it should flash | 08:09 |
| tigert | how did you end up in reboot loop anyway | 08:09 |
| tigert | ? | 08:09 |
| ajaxous | sorry to inject some usb reflash thoughts -- the PID/VID (product ID/Vendor ID) probably changes when the device is in reflash mode to let the reflash utilities find the right device. "lsusb" in linux or something like http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/usb_devices_view.html in windows can possibly show what the phones doing during the reboots. Maybe it will help... | 08:10 |
| konttori | NSU (nokia software updater) is using a version of linux flasher inside | 08:10 |
| johnx | both interesting tidbits to know :) | 08:11 |
| tigert | with libwine or so? | 08:11 |
| tigert | no wait | 08:11 |
| krfkeith | cool | 08:11 |
| krfkeith | anyway | 08:11 |
| tigert | that wouldnt make sense =) | 08:11 |
| krfkeith | hmm? | 08:12 |
| krfkeith | I'm talking about that software | 08:12 |
| krfkeith | it shows the nokia logo atm, but it constantly reboots | 08:13 |
| tigert | yea, but how did it end that way? | 08:13 |
| tigert | you tried to flash and it went bad, or you did somwething while it was running? | 08:14 |
| krfkeith | no, I just rebooted it | 08:14 |
| tigert | and bedore that? | 08:15 |
| tigert | rd mode? | 08:15 |
| tigert | no wait, win flasher likely doesnt let you do that | 08:15 |
| krfkeith | it worked fine before that | 08:15 |
| krfkeith | even the CL one? | 08:16 |
| johnx | it probably does. but he was asking what you did already | 08:16 |
| johnx | anyways, yeah, might be time to break out the commandline flasher if you feel up to it | 08:16 |
| krfkeith | ok | 08:17 |
| krfkeith | can you guys help me with it? | 08:17 |
| johnx | yup | 08:17 |
| krfkeith | I downloaded that NirSoft USB viewer thing | 08:17 |
| krfkeith | and its not saying the N900 is connected to the computer | 08:17 |
| krfkeith | (it is plugged in) | 08:17 |
| johnx | it'll only show up as "plugged in" when it's all the way booted or right at the beginning of a boot with the "usb" logo on the screen | 08:18 |
| johnx | alright, so get flasher from here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher#Downloads_and_documentation | 08:19 |
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| Myrtti | *yawn* | 08:26 |
| krfkeith | johnx: ok | 08:26 |
| johnx | krfkeith, ok? | 08:27 |
| krfkeith | I was afk | 08:27 |
| krfkeith | I'm getting it now | 08:27 |
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| krfkeith | ok | 08:34 |
| krfkeith | installed the flasher | 08:34 |
| krfkeith | now what? | 08:35 |
| johnx | so you need to open cmd as administrator I think | 08:36 |
| Ford_Prefect | Anyone know the package name for the calculator and notes applications? | 08:36 |
| pupnik | improve em | 08:37 |
| pupnik | apt-cache search calculator | 08:37 |
| johnx | or if you know the name of the binary: dpkg -S /usr/bin/<somebinary> | 08:37 |
| Ford_Prefect | pupnik, returns bc and dc | 08:38 |
| Ford_Prefect | And bison for some reason | 08:38 |
| pupnik | osso-calculator | 08:38 |
| Ford_Prefect | pupnik, thanks - I guess it's not there on the SDK | 08:39 |
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| pupnik | meh | 08:39 |
| pupnik | likewise osso-notes | 08:39 |
| pupnik | but i cand dl them | 08:39 |
| Ford_Prefect | On the device? | 08:40 |
| krfkeith | ok I did that | 08:40 |
| pupnik | device yes | 08:40 |
| Ford_Prefect | Okay. :| | 08:40 |
| johnx | krfkeith, try typing: flasher-3.5.exe | 08:41 |
| johnx | just that and hit enter | 08:41 |
| johnx | does it find the flasher? | 08:41 |
| krfkeith | ok | 08:41 |
| krfkeith | did that | 08:41 |
| krfkeith | yep | 08:42 |
| pupnik | oh there it is osso-notes | 08:42 |
| johnx | ok, next is to download a new OS "image" to flash | 08:42 |
| johnx | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 08:43 |
| Ford_Prefect | pupnik, if you say you found it on the device again, I'll have to pull some more of my hair out :P | 08:43 |
| johnx | you'll want this one: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 08:43 |
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| johnx | Ford_Prefect, yeah, looks like it's closed source | 08:44 |
| krfkeith | version 1.2009.42-11 | 08:44 |
| krfkeith | ? | 08:44 |
| johnx | yes | 08:44 |
| AstralStorm | heh, even MP3 players can't manage good sound :) | 08:44 |
| krfkeith | ok, downloading | 08:44 |
| johnx | sorry, I mispasted last time: RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 08:45 |
| krfkeith | *cough*iPods*cough* | 08:45 |
| AstralStorm | giving some -80 dB SNR, -60 dB total distortion (I hate the % measurement), and -3dB frequency response 20-20k | 08:46 |
| krfkeith | combined, and not the US localized? | 08:46 |
| AstralStorm | (usually flat, but tapering faster than you'd wish) | 08:46 |
| AstralStorm | someone should build a real audiophile device ;p | 08:46 |
| johnx | krfkeith, hang on a sec, I think that might be something else | 08:46 |
| krfkeith | wait, nvm | 08:46 |
| johnx | :) | 08:46 |
| AstralStorm | oh, those are *good* MP3 players :) | 08:47 |
| krfkeith | I really hope this works | 08:47 |
| AstralStorm | bad ones are just bad | 08:47 |
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| AstralStorm | so bad, an ok walkman of old is able to beat them | 08:47 |
| krfkeith | if only the N900 had USB-host we could use a USB DAC | 08:48 |
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| AstralStorm | I wonder how do they manage such bad SNR in a battery powered device | 08:48 |
| johnx | AstralStorm, an old walkman had a lot more room for better sound hardware to live ... | 08:48 |
| AstralStorm | not that much room | 08:48 |
| AstralStorm | and I'd be happy to offer extra 3 cm in height for proper hardware ;p | 08:48 |
| johnx | AstralStorm, now find half a million other people like you who will pay upfront for someone to make it and you're in good shape :) | 08:49 |
| AstralStorm | nah, I'd like a small scale production | 08:50 |
| AstralStorm | thousands, on demand | 08:50 |
| AstralStorm | sustainable enough? (the problem is always with the cases, not PCBs or parts) | 08:50 |
| johnx | ask the pandora guys about how easy it is :) | 08:50 |
| AstralStorm | it is hard | 08:51 |
| johnx | maybe CE certification as well? | 08:51 |
| AstralStorm | what has CE to do with this? | 08:51 |
| AstralStorm | or rather, EC | 08:51 |
| johnx | the EU electronics certification thing | 08:51 |
| AstralStorm | probably only volume limit and antispill for batteries | 08:52 |
| johnx | is that just for devices with radio transmitters? | 08:52 |
| AstralStorm | not much I can see there | 08:52 |
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| AstralStorm | johnx: not just them | 08:52 |
| AstralStorm | EC requires output power cap in sound devices or a warning | 08:52 |
| AstralStorm | but that's trivial | 08:52 |
| johnx | I suppose so. I guess even the pandora guys didn't have a big problem with that | 08:53 |
| johnx | I think mainly it was multiple revisions of the PCB, then the case molds | 08:53 |
| AstralStorm | the whole problem will be... building a shielded DSP | 08:53 |
| johnx | heh. I don't even remember all the delays anymore ... | 08:54 |
| AstralStorm | typical FPGAs I used for this are fairly large, but passable | 08:54 |
| krfkeith | I'm ntosu sure whenterh or not I want to get a pandora | 08:55 |
| AstralStorm | it does have an apt name ;) | 08:56 |
| krfkeith | ok I downaloaded the firmware | 08:56 |
| AstralStorm | I should take apart a typical good MP3 player and see what's the cause of the noise | 08:56 |
| AstralStorm | I suspect discount amplifier | 08:57 |
| johnx | krfkeith, alright, how good are you on the windows command line? | 08:57 |
| AstralStorm | (but then again, a good sigma-delta as used for CD players is neither expensive nor bad) | 08:57 |
| krfkeith | johnx: I'm ok | 08:59 |
| johnx | so open cmd.exe as administrator and cd to the directory where you downloaded the .bin file to | 08:59 |
| krfkeith | yep | 09:00 |
| krfkeith | done that | 09:00 |
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| johnx | flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R | 09:00 |
| felbutss | hey guys its me again. im the guy with the bricked N900 | 09:00 |
| johnx | felbutss, hey, just walking someone through a flash. | 09:01 |
| felbutss | im in linux and just ran the flasher command and it says not found Suitable usb device | 09:01 |
| johnx | let's see how it goes for krfkeith | 09:01 |
| felbutss | ok | 09:01 |
| felbutss | lol | 09:01 |
| krfkeith | felbutss: I'm having the exact same issue as you | 09:01 |
| johnx | felbutss, did it show the usb icon on boot? | 09:01 |
| felbutss | my issue is the tut says to turn the device on when the cable is plug in but its not working. it will only turn on when no cable is plugged in | 09:01 |
| felbutss | is not plugged in* | 09:02 |
| felbutss | its still trying to boot for the charging state | 09:02 |
| felbutss | good luck krfkeith | 09:02 |
| krfkeith | thanks | 09:02 |
| felbutss | i sure need it | 09:02 |
| krfkeith | heh | 09:03 |
| felbutss | whts wrong with urs? same issue as mine? | 09:03 |
| johnx | krfkeith, once you've run that, turn off the device, then plug it in to usb, then turn it on | 09:03 |
| felbutss | thats the part im up to "then plug it in to usb, then turn it on" that part doesnt work for me. wont let me turn it on when a usb cable is attached lol | 09:03 |
| krfkeith | johnx: I entered: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 09:03 |
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| krfkeith | the fw file is the in teh same dir as my flasher | 09:04 |
| johnx | krfkeith, it should run and say "no suitable device found" or similar | 09:04 |
| krfkeith | yep | 09:04 |
| krfkeith | and then waiting | 09:04 |
| johnx | once it says that you're ready to follow the next steps | 09:04 |
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| johnx | felbutss, so does it light up or do anything when you plug it into usb? | 09:04 |
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| felbutss | yep. i need nokia on the screen with no back light. and the yellow LED is solid then it disappears after a few seconds. then the whole device restarts and the same thing happens over and over | 09:05 |
| felbutss | *i see nokia on the screen | 09:06 |
| johnx | that's pretty weird...let me test something here ... | 09:06 |
| krfkeith | johnx: same problem here | 09:06 |
| felbutss | but i can turn it on with no cable. the LED comes on solid white and i see Nokia in the background fully backlit. then it turns off | 09:07 |
| krfkeith | felbutss: yep, I get the same thing | 09:07 |
| johnx | well...I'm fresh out of ideas then :/ | 09:07 |
| felbutss | lol two people in the same boat. lol | 09:08 |
| johnx | try calling up nokia, one after another | 09:08 |
| krfkeith | yeah the flasher doesn't do anything | 09:08 |
| johnx | maybe make sure you talk to the same person | 09:08 |
| felbutss | lol | 09:08 |
| krfkeith | felbutss: did you win yours in a contest? | 09:08 |
| felbutss | il gonna call their head office right now and speak to the guys who gave me the phone | 09:08 |
| krfkeith | because I did | 09:08 |
| felbutss | oo | 09:08 |
| felbutss | did u | 09:08 |
| felbutss | ? | 09:08 |
| krfkeith | which contest? | 09:09 |
| felbutss | on blogs.nokia.com/nseries | 09:09 |
| johnx | I'm actually at least half serious. they'll have to take it seriously if they have more than one person calling with same problem | 09:09 |
| felbutss | the cityman contest | 09:09 |
| krfkeith | I got mine from PUSH | 09:09 |
| felbutss | ok | 09:09 |
| felbutss | did u get a sample unit 2 | 09:09 |
| krfkeith | but, there's a common denominator | 09:09 |
| johnx | felbutss, are you sure you "won"? :) | 09:09 |
| krfkeith | the box on mine says NOT FOR SALE | 09:09 |
| felbutss | lol yes | 09:09 |
| felbutss | yes | 09:09 |
| AstralStorm | felbutss: I suspect your device is bricked in the bootloader | 09:09 |
| felbutss | exactly the same | 09:09 |
| johnx | which is funny, cause I also have a "not for sale" unit from maemo summit | 09:10 |
| AstralStorm | fixing this is possible only via JTAG connector... | 09:10 |
| felbutss | we both got the same phone and have the same issue | 09:10 |
| krfkeith | heh | 09:10 |
| AstralStorm | felbutss: the connector was in n8x0 near the battery | 09:10 |
| johnx | haven't tried flashing since I flashed 42-11 though, so I'll do a quick test | 09:10 |
| krfkeith | AstralStorm: is that even worth trying to fix on our own? | 09:10 |
| AstralStorm | hmm | 09:10 |
| felbutss | krfkeith | 09:10 |
| felbutss | listen | 09:10 |
| AstralStorm | there may be various reason that it's bricked | 09:10 |
| johnx | krfkeith, nope :) | 09:10 |
| AstralStorm | faulty flash chip is one | 09:10 |
| felbutss | im gonna call their head office now. we obviously both have dodgy units | 09:10 |
| AstralStorm | this you can't replace without specialized tools | 09:10 |
| AstralStorm | (esp. hotair station) | 09:11 |
| krfkeith | yeah | 09:11 |
| felbutss | what a minute | 09:11 |
| krfkeith | felbutss: do I need to give you my name or anything? | 09:11 |
| felbutss | wait 1 sec lemi think | 09:11 |
| felbutss | bastards | 09:11 |
| krfkeith | I know | 09:11 |
| krfkeith | extremely rude | 09:11 |
| krfkeith | I think we both got pre-production units | 09:12 |
| AstralStorm | who actually? | 09:12 |
| AstralStorm | ooh well, eng samples | 09:12 |
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| felbutss | hhmm all makes sense now | 09:12 |
| AstralStorm | happens sometimes with these | 09:12 |
| felbutss | i thought i was going mad | 09:12 |
| AstralStorm | usually because they're put together by hand or are first production samples | 09:12 |
| krfkeith | felbutss: me too | 09:12 |
| johnx | krfkeith, well judging by how late in the game you got them, I kinda doubt they were pre-production in anything except software/firmware | 09:12 |
| felbutss | private PM im gonna get ur details and give u mine | 09:12 |
| AstralStorm | they tend to have more hardware failures | 09:12 |
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| krfkeith | ok | 09:13 |
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| AstralStorm | johnx: might've been some old supplies | 09:13 |
| felbutss | maybe just a bad batch? who knows but we both won the phones and have the same issue | 09:13 |
| johnx | possible I suppose | 09:13 |
| johnx | so when you plug in to usb, you see the dimmed nokia logo, the orange light stays solid | 09:13 |
| AstralStorm | mhm, possible | 09:13 |
| johnx | does the screen ever turn off and switch to a flashing orange light? | 09:14 |
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| AstralStorm | yes, if the Nokia logo shows, the bootloader is likely OK | 09:14 |
| AstralStorm | and a flash should be possible - have to hold a certain key to enable it in n8x0, likely in n900 too | 09:14 |
| johnx | ah, there it is | 09:15 |
| johnx | try holding u while plugging in the usb cable | 09:15 |
| felbutss | ill try now | 09:15 |
| krfkeith | hold what? | 09:16 |
| krfkeith | power? | 09:16 |
| johnx | the "u" button | 09:16 |
| AstralStorm | johnx: describe it spatially ;) | 09:16 |
| krfkeith | is tha the slider thing? | 09:16 |
| johnx | yeah, on the keyboard | 09:16 |
| johnx | same key as 7 | 09:16 |
| johnx | (the numbers are the same on all key layouts, right?) | 09:17 |
| krfkeith | oh, litterally the U key | 09:17 |
| AstralStorm | if this "stops" the bootloader on the nokia logo, try flashing | 09:17 |
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| AstralStorm | that should work - although no idea why it would "spontaneously combust" like that | 09:17 |
| johnx | AstralStorm, on mine, plugging in without u pressed, turned it on and it went to g_file_storage mode | 09:18 |
| johnx | with u pressed it stayed in 'flashable' mode | 09:18 |
| AstralStorm | yup | 09:18 |
| AstralStorm | exactly | 09:18 |
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| felbutss | back | 09:19 |
| felbutss | the LED came on solid yellow and the screen stayed black while i was holding 'U' | 09:19 |
| AstralStorm | hmm | 09:20 |
| felbutss | im gonna call right now. ill let u guys know wht they say | 09:20 |
| AstralStorm | that sounds wrong | 09:20 |
| felbutss | wht time is it in finland | 09:20 |
| AstralStorm | should 8 AM | 09:20 |
| AstralStorm | too early a bit | 09:20 |
| AstralStorm | try in 2 hours | 09:20 |
| johnx | stayed black? or is the backlight just off? | 09:20 |
| felbutss | couldnt see anything on the screen | 09:20 |
| Myrtti | 2009-11-26 09:20:53 | 09:20 |
| johnx | though my LED didn't turn yellow | 09:20 |
| Myrtti | that's the time in Finland | 09:20 |
| felbutss | 9.20 | 09:21 |
| felbutss | ok time 2 call | 09:21 |
| krfkeith | I gotta run guys | 09:21 |
| felbutss | cya mate | 09:21 |
| AstralStorm | Myrtti: I was close :) | 09:21 |
| krfkeith | thanks for all the help | 09:21 |
| johnx | 'later krfkeith | 09:21 |
| felbutss | brbrbrrb | 09:21 |
| krfkeith | see you all later | 09:21 |
| johnx | hope it works out for you | 09:21 |
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| * Stskeeps pokes his coffee machine | 09:24 | |
| AstralStorm | why would you do that? | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | to make it go faster | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:25 |
| * AstralStorm has concluded that certain people should never be allowed near an MP3 player with loudness calibration | 09:25 | |
| * Ford_Prefect huggles dbus-monitor | 09:25 | |
| AstralStorm | someone should build one (requires but a simple microphone for rough measurement - most MP3 players have one already) | 09:26 |
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| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=393019&postcount=1 <- wow, talk about putting yourself right in the line of fire | 09:27 |
| * Stskeeps admires his courage | 09:28 | |
| AstralStorm | courage doesn't win with dumb :) | 09:28 |
| pupnik | the n900 xterm is so godly, i just have to click near a link and i can open a browser window | 09:28 |
| pupnik | and the youtube starts in browser as fast as on my older laptop | 09:28 |
| * AstralStorm senses a real troll coming to this hot topic | 09:29 | |
| AstralStorm | pupnik: trivial, have that in urxvt on my PC already | 09:29 |
| AstralStorm | xfce terminal also does this well | 09:29 |
| AstralStorm | I always wondered why osso-xterm didn't | 09:29 |
| AstralStorm | it's already libvte based | 09:29 |
| pupnik | perfect for screen plus irssi! thaank you nokia! thaank you inz! | 09:30 |
| AstralStorm | irssi is overrated :) | 09:30 |
| AstralStorm | as is screen | 09:30 |
| pupnik | i did ot on n810 and it was a mess | 09:30 |
| AstralStorm | irc bounces are far far better | 09:30 |
| * RST38h curses tracker and gst-thumbnailer | 09:30 | |
| * AstralStorm loves his dircproxy | 09:30 | |
| pupnik | simplicity, son | 09:30 |
| RST38h | Biggest waste of resources ever | 09:30 |
| jaem | AstralStorm, lies! | 09:30 |
| johnx | AstralStorm, screen is my god | 09:31 |
| AstralStorm | johnx: screen is good, but as good for irc sessions | 09:31 |
| AstralStorm | xchat beats irssi in osso-xterm any day | 09:31 |
| AstralStorm | and I can use it with the bounce | 09:31 |
| AstralStorm | also, it is more responsive than whole UI sent by ssh | 09:31 |
| johnx | ah, that reminds me. was looking at nx ... | 09:31 |
| pupnik | i went back to irssi because it is faster and better for me | 09:32 |
| AstralStorm | faster?! | 09:32 |
| AstralStorm | how | 09:32 |
| AstralStorm | it's still irc | 09:32 |
| pupnik | be adult and i will too | 09:32 |
| AstralStorm | it does take a bit less memory... and that might be important *sometimes* | 09:32 |
| pupnik | be adult and i will too | 09:33 |
| pupnik | sory | 09:33 |
| pupnik | faster to use | 09:33 |
| AstralStorm | but I value good UI vs rare swapping | 09:33 |
| pupnik | hit up arrow instead of return | 09:33 |
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| AstralStorm | *over | 09:33 |
| pupnik | no faster to scan channels | 09:33 |
| AstralStorm | not faster than the touchscreen-enabled xchat | 09:33 |
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| pupnik | for me, faster | 09:34 |
| AstralStorm | with the button sort mod | 09:34 |
| pupnik | understand this is not an absolute measure, but an individual one | 09:34 |
| AstralStorm | (the defaault sort mode is horrid, true - it's alphabetic. I have one that sorts by recent message and priority, like irssi) | 09:34 |
| pupnik | ok | 09:35 |
| AstralStorm | it is | 09:35 |
| pupnik | i understand | 09:35 |
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| AstralStorm | but that's about the only drawback I can see in default xchat on n810 | 09:35 |
| RST38h | Is Extras-Development dead again? | 09:35 |
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| pupnik | fingers off keyboard is one | 09:35 |
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| AstralStorm | pupnik: why? you don't have to | 09:35 |
| Markus23 | good morning | 09:35 |
| AstralStorm | xchat has keyboard shortcuts on part with irssi | 09:35 |
| AstralStorm | *par | 09:35 |
| AstralStorm | (not to mention aliases) | 09:36 |
| pupnik | /ignore is another | 09:36 |
| pupnik | which xchat devs decided to ignore | 09:37 |
| AstralStorm | /ignore exists in xchat as well, heh | 09:37 |
| pupnik | i talked to them | 09:37 |
| pupnik | insane | 09:37 |
| AstralStorm | yes, that's a misdecision that has been corrected in various forks and plugins for it | 09:37 |
| AstralStorm | only lacking in newest xchat versions | 09:38 |
| pupnik | ah cool | 09:38 |
| johnx | I just used ignore the other day in xchat...am I going crazy? did the people I was ignorning just stop talking on their own suddenly? | 09:39 |
| AstralStorm | no :) | 09:39 |
| AstralStorm | I think pupnik is though. | 09:39 |
| AstralStorm | ;) | 09:39 |
| AstralStorm | when crazy is defined as "apart from reality" | 09:40 |
| AstralStorm | urlgrabber plugins are essential for keyboard use, of course | 09:41 |
| AstralStorm | there are some for every reasonable irc client | 09:41 |
| pupnik | think xhat is powerful, just has some historic design that creates a few unintuitive processes for user, and arrogantly leaves some things unconfigured | 09:41 |
| AstralStorm | this doesn't work over screen | 09:41 |
| AstralStorm | (it'll try to open the url on the target machine) | 09:41 |
| AstralStorm | some things unconfigured? hmmh. | 09:42 |
| AstralStorm | no idea what you're talking about :) | 09:42 |
| pupnik | anyway i thank inz for saving me from hilighting 8-point urls with stylus | 09:42 |
| pupnik | was gonna go maul cats or smth | 09:43 |
| AstralStorm | I thank my urlgrabber plugin for saving me from whipping out stylus altogether | 09:43 |
| AstralStorm | :) | 09:43 |
| AstralStorm | (urxvt can do this too, it has keyboard shortcuts for navigating urls, but that's harder and they tend to wrap) | 09:43 |
| pupnik | dude share the tricked-put xchat config | 09:44 |
| pupnik | tricked-out | 09:44 |
| AstralStorm | tricked out? | 09:44 |
| pupnik | like in package | 09:44 |
| AstralStorm | it's very close to the default | 09:44 |
| AstralStorm | only python urlgrabber plugin | 09:44 |
| AstralStorm | which needs no package. | 09:44 |
| AstralStorm | oh, right | 09:44 |
| AstralStorm | the sorting mod is another plugin | 09:44 |
| AstralStorm | let me find those | 09:44 |
| AstralStorm | I'll notify you later, because now I've to get to work :| | 09:45 |
| pupnik | you are all part of a conspiracy to piss me off and make me maintain another fork. get away! all of you! | 09:45 |
| AstralStorm | what fork | 09:45 |
| pupnik | cheers ;) | 09:45 |
| AstralStorm | there's no fork | 09:45 |
| pupnik | xchat | 09:45 |
| pupnik | xspoon | 09:46 |
| AstralStorm | those plugins are enabled in the build I have on n810 | 09:46 |
| AstralStorm | perl, python and ruby are supported | 09:46 |
| AstralStorm | (once you install the right interpreter that is and load the binding) | 09:46 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 09:46 |
| AstralStorm | bbl | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hope your bios gets better | 09:47 |
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| felbutss | back. they have no idea. | 09:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: llet's hope service will fix it :) | 09:48 |
| felbutss | im writing up an email for me and krfkeith | 09:48 |
| felbutss | does anyone have any email address from nokia??? | 09:48 |
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| johnx | felbutss, I wish we could figure out if your N900s might be from the same "batch" | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | felbutss: krfkeith's problem didn't happen after NSU though | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 09:49 |
| johnx | did you and krfkeith compare serial numbers | 09:49 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, krfkeith said he just rebooted and it went reboot-loop on him | 09:50 |
| johnx | they appear to have similar symptoms when booting by pressing 'u' and plugging in USB | 09:50 |
| johnx | and both have 'not for sale' N900s | 09:50 |
| felbutss | yep | 09:50 |
| felbutss | dam man. i put a lot of work into those contests. and money | 09:51 |
| johnx | felbutss, ah, so as for serial number. Would you mind posting yours? or PMing me if you want? | 09:51 |
| felbutss | i sec | 09:51 |
| johnx | felbutss, you did the PUSH thing? which project was yours? | 09:51 |
| felbutss | na i did the city man thing | 09:51 |
| felbutss | another contest after push | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | danielwilms: if winners of cityman & PUSH contest end up with a device that refuses to flash and is reboot looping, who'd be the right people to prod? (we've tried everything that is possible without a flashing jig) | 09:53 |
| felbutss | ye this is so deppressing. | 09:54 |
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| felbutss | thanks stskeeps and johnx. good guys | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | felbutss: at least you're taking the constructive route instead of contacting journalists :) | 09:56 |
| felbutss | lol | 09:57 |
| felbutss | na i wouldnt do that. lol i want nokia to fix it nice easy and quick | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | btw where did you get the "it" part of -Rit in your posts? | 09:57 |
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| felbutss | ooo it was on the read me file when you install the flasher on a PC | 09:57 |
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| danielwilms | Stskeeps what is everything, which is possible? which image have you taken to flash? the one from tabletsdev? what is the error msg?? | 09:57 |
| dmj726 | Hey zaheerm | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | danielwilms: hang on, let me just locate the exact information | 09:58 |
| johnx | felbutss, ah, so were you still here when we were talking about holding "u" and plugging in USB? I forgot... | 09:58 |
| felbutss | yep | 09:58 |
| felbutss | tryed that | 09:58 |
| johnx | and the result was? | 09:59 |
| felbutss | this is day 3. wasted about 5 hours each day on this | 09:59 |
| johnx | blank screen? nokia screen? orange light? | 09:59 |
| felbutss | nothing | 09:59 |
| felbutss | yep | 09:59 |
| felbutss | blank screen | 09:59 |
| felbutss | solid yellow light | 09:59 |
| felbutss | same with krfkeith | 09:59 |
| johnx | yeah, I remember krfkeith trying, but I didn't remember if both of you tried it, or if you had left to call nokia at that point | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | felbutss: could you locate the product version? | 10:00 |
| felbutss | na have tryed it before a few times. done everything on a MAC, linux and windows pc | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | danielwilms: first one failed half-way through NSU. it then refuses to show up in flasher with RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin , NOKIA logo does show though. battery charging attempted (without the N900), ./flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 10:00 |
| johnx | this is interesting, with regards to comparing our IMEIs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Equipment_Identity#Structure_of_the_IMEI_and_IMEISV | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | felbutss: because it might be that your device doesn't match with the firmware image | 10:01 |
| felbutss | type: RX-51 code: 0560826 | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | there's a four-digit code somewhere | 10:02 |
| felbutss | 661E? | 10:02 |
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| felbutss | im looking inside the battery compartment | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, now i'm curiou which one too :) | 10:03 |
| felbutss | this is what it says in order. model: N900, type:RX-51, code:0560826, FCC iD: LJPRX-51, IC:661E-RX51 | 10:04 |
| felbutss | and on the right of the sticker: 0434 | 10:04 |
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| danielwilms | felbutss what does it say when you try to reflash with the flasher itself and not with the NSU? | 10:06 |
| danielwilms | when does it stop? | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | Suitable USB device not found, on multiple computers and OS'es | 10:06 |
| felbutss | yes | 10:06 |
| danielwilms | hmmmm | 10:07 |
| felbutss | doesnt sound right | 10:07 |
| johnx | I think the more interesting thing is that even when holding "u" to get into flasher mode, it still boots to a blank screen with the orange/yellow LED glowing | 10:07 |
| danielwilms | how do you reflash? battery out - connect - start flasher - battery in? and still it does not find it?? | 10:07 |
| felbutss | i can try that again now for u just incase but yes it did not work before hand. and i cant do the linux update because for some reason when i have the usb cable plugged in the device wont turn on. but it would turn on if the cable isnt plugged in | 10:09 |
| danielwilms | felbutss it might be that you have an issue with the battery | 10:10 |
| felbutss | nope didnt work | 10:10 |
| felbutss | how so | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | felbutss: you said you tried with a similar type battery from another device? | 10:11 |
| felbutss | yep | 10:12 |
| felbutss | thats wht i mean. lol confused me | 10:12 |
| felbutss | ive tryed two batterys | 10:12 |
| danielwilms | ahhh...ok | 10:12 |
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| johnx | felbutss, at any point in the past, have you walked under a ladder, crossed the path of a black cat or perhaps been cursed or hexed in any way? | 10:13 |
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| felbutss | lol | 10:14 |
| felbutss | it has been a bad week | 10:14 |
| felbutss | not just with the phone | 10:14 |
| felbutss | the phone was strick 3 | 10:14 |
| felbutss | strike | 10:14 |
| johnx | yeah, probably a curse then. or perhaps a karmic overdraft | 10:15 |
| felbutss | lol | 10:16 |
| RST38h | The Battery God requires a sacrifice, that's all | 10:16 |
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| felbutss | ok im off guys. ill let u know later on how i went. gonna get another battery from a guy at work. he has another 5800 | 10:16 |
| Pavlov | anyone know how to get the n900 to re-sync google contacts? | 10:17 |
| johnx | I'm thinking: not the battery :) but that's just me | 10:17 |
| RST38h | Guy at work is gonna lose his battery real soon now... | 10:18 |
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| RST38h | heh...bunch of kiddies discussing how they valiantly enable Extras-Testing/Extras-Devel to get the latest versions of the emulators. | 10:22 |
| RST38h | but none of them are voting for these emulators of course | 10:22 |
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| * Sargun wonders where his N900 is | 10:22 | |
| Sargun | :-( | 10:22 |
| Sargun | Missing | 10:22 |
| RST38h | This "public qa" scheme was a really rotten idea, made up by people who obviously never stepped out of their computer rooms | 10:23 |
| Sargun | RST38h, huh? | 10:23 |
| Sargun | RST38h, I've seen you before | 10:23 |
| pupnik | he is famous | 10:24 |
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| mece | RST38h, I don't really get it either. | 10:24 |
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| pupnik | you prefer nokia picks? | 10:24 |
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| suihkulokki | RST38h: I wouldn't shoot the scheme down yet.. a better voting UI and responsive maemo.org site would make it work better | 10:25 |
| RST38h | Sargun: do I have to hide now? | 10:25 |
| pupnik | if you have an app that needs votes, tell jus. give url | 10:25 |
| Sargun | pupnik, How so | 10:25 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: this has been officially proposed and discussed weeks ago, jeremiah basically agreed with it, but do you see any changes? | 10:26 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Not THOSE votes ;) | 10:26 |
| pupnik | ok | 10:26 |
| RST38h | Those I can generate on my own, in hundreds, I am afraid :) Another hole in the system | 10:26 |
| pupnik | make a smaller hole? | 10:27 |
| RST38h | pupnik: The ones here: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ <== I still can't get 3 of my apps into Extras because nobody is testing | 10:27 |
| RST38h | Well, nobody is voting, anyway | 10:27 |
| pupnik | so only better code | 10:27 |
| pupnik | ty i gol there now | 10:27 |
| RST38h | pupnik: they made the hole smaller but afaik it still exists and can be exploited. Hit that url with rating=5 several hundred times and your app is suddenly hot :) | 10:28 |
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| pupnik | abuse can be manually fixed if they h/e no time to code it i guess | 10:29 |
| pupnik | page load slow | 10:29 |
| RST38h | everything is slow there, takes minutes to vote | 10:29 |
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| pupnik | ow yes | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.openpandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | is it just me or does that casing look .. 80s? | 10:31 |
| RST38h | Looks like a sodomized DSi to me | 10:32 |
| RST38h | Side note: Nokia did beat Pandora folks with the release, just as predicted :) | 10:32 |
| johnx | RST38h, that's what they told the company making their molds (moulds?) :) | 10:32 |
| pupnik | all my web are slow atm | 10:32 |
| johnx | RST38h, yup. still came out closer than lots of people thought | 10:33 |
| RST38h | johnx: true | 10:33 |
| RST38h | Next: Pandora vs Moller SkyCar ! | 10:33 |
| johnx | though by saying thhat I've jinxed it of course ... | 10:33 |
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| pupnik | i think it is still a cool adventurous project | 10:36 |
| johnx | RST38h, how is iNES? | 10:37 |
| RST38h | johnx: Fully working, afaik | 10:37 |
| RST38h | The last change I have done was the Maemo-specific config dialog | 10:37 |
| Pavlov | oh, hm | 10:38 |
| johnx | I'll test and vote | 10:38 |
| RST38h | Still need to add file extension filter, proper About window with URL, and file-load-failed message but it is all non-crucial stuff | 10:38 |
| RST38h | johnx: Better test and vote for fMSX, ColEm, and Speccy | 10:38 |
| RST38h | johnx: iNES is already in the extras (older version though), but these three are not - people are not testing them =( | 10:39 |
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| johnx | RST38h, sorry, but I have nothing to test those with... | 10:41 |
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| johnx | wait, is fmsx == master system? | 10:42 |
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| RST38h | No, fMSX==MSX | 10:42 |
| RST38h | johnx: Bith Speccy and fMSX will boot into BASIC | 10:43 |
| RST38h | johnx: (ok Speccy wil go into loader menu but anyway) | 10:43 |
| RST38h | johnx: Actually, you can get stuff for all three, here is the explanation: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34906 | 10:44 |
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| pupnik | on maemo.org in maemo browsr, i cannot enter my username to vote on fmsx | 10:48 |
| pupnik | oh the text appeared with 20 second delay | 10:49 |
| pupnik | am i the only person on 42.11 who gets huge pauses entering text into webforms? | 10:50 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik: no, focus is a bit shady | 10:50 |
| pupnik | 4 to 15 seconds | 10:51 |
| pupnik | where van i see page source on n900 | 10:51 |
| pupnik | yes re focus also | 10:51 |
| pupnik | PID PPID USER STAT RSS %MEM %CPU COMMAND | 10:52 |
| pupnik | 1666 1170 user R 72620 29.4 33.9 /usr/sbin/browserd -s 1666 -n browserui | 10:52 |
| pupnik | 722 1 pulse S < 3296 1.3 21.8 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority | 10:52 |
| pupnik | sigh | 10:53 |
| suihkulokki | RST38h: MSX BASIC version 2.1 Copyright 1986 microsoft ? | 10:54 |
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| RST38h | yeah | 10:55 |
| suihkulokki | and that is ok to redistribute ? | 10:55 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I sometimes cannot enter anything at all, no response from the browser | 10:55 |
| johnx | admittedly, playing games on the n900 keyboard is ... difficult | 10:56 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: most likely yes, people distributed it for years | 10:56 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: as it is mostly of archeological value (same goes for ZX Spectrum( | 10:56 |
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| pupnik | ty RST38h | 10:57 |
| suihkulokki | unfortunately what is ok for random people is probably not ok for large corporations (as maemo.org is a tentacle of one such corp..) | 10:57 |
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| andre__ | Numbers starting with * are called USSD. What's the name for numbers starting with #? | 10:59 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: Then MS will send a DMCA notice at some point and Maeom.org will have to take the file down | 10:59 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: I have never heard of this happening in relation to MSX stuff though | 10:59 |
| suihkulokki | one way to workaround the legal risk to someone else would be to download the files from the internets when first running the app | 11:00 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: Yea, probably, that would definitely prevent 99% of people from using the app | 11:00 |
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| RST38h | For some more commercial stuff, like TI ROMs, I had to remove all the ROMs for calcs TI still sells from the package | 11:01 |
| RST38h | You will now get a message telling you to supply your own ROM. For MSX it simply does not make sense | 11:01 |
| pupnik | i can enter text to login now but i cannot log in to maemo.org yet | 11:01 |
| pupnik | i have time | 11:02 |
| crashanddie | suihkulokki, maemo.org isn't a tentacle of such corporation, there's a small distinction to make | 11:02 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Why not use a desktop PC though? =) | 11:02 |
| pupnik | it is off | 11:02 |
| pupnik | and sucks 100watts | 11:02 |
| crashanddie | suihkulokki, maemo.org is a community effort, for which Nokia pays the bills | 11:02 |
| pupnik | rst knows his apps | 11:03 |
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| pupnik | maemo bugs is not loading - 2 minutes | 11:05 |
| pupnik | sorry 5 now | 11:05 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: trying to do this with n900 sucks time and effort =) | 11:06 |
| pupnik | why is the browser so slow? ;) | 11:06 |
| pupnik | it is the site | 11:06 |
| pupnik | no? | 11:07 |
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| pupnik | is t.m.o bogging it down? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | nah, different servers | 11:09 |
| andre__ | jeremiah: any idea about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6301 (php issue in packages)? | 11:12 |
| povbot | Bug 6301: Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/org/maemo/packages/handler/repository/repository.php on line 542 | 11:12 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Is there anything in the SDK to deal with accelerometers | 11:14 |
| Ford_Prefect | As in tell it what the orientation should be | 11:14 |
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| kalikiana | Ford_Prefect, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Porting_Software/Porting_Existing_GTK+_Application_to_Maemo_5#Portrait_Mode | 11:20 |
| Ford_Prefect | kalikiana, perfect, thanks! | 11:21 |
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| lardman | morning all | 11:28 |
| kalikiana | moin | 11:29 |
| peter-k | hi lardman | 11:29 |
| peter-k | kalikiana: | 11:30 |
| peter-k | hi | 11:30 |
| peter-k | how are you gyes | 11:30 |
| peter-k | guys | 11:30 |
| lardman | not bad, you? | 11:30 |
| peter-k | just so so | 11:30 |
| peter-k | where are you from lardman? | 11:31 |
| lardman | UK | 11:31 |
| lardman | hmm, /me thinks that this QR code encoding a .install file is rather large: http://qrcode.kaywa.com/img.php?s=8&d=%5Binstall%5D%0D%0Acatalogues%20%3D%20extras%0D%0Apackage%20%3D%20conversations-inbox-widget%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bextras%5D%0D%0Aname%20%3D%20Maemo%20Extras%0D%0Auri%20%3D%20http%3A%2F%2Frepository.maemo.org%2Fextras%2F%0D%0Adist%20%3D%20fremantle%0D%0Acomponents%20%3D%20free%20non-free | 11:32 |
| lardman | hmm, tinyurl methinks | 11:32 |
| lardman | http://tinyurl.com/qr-install | 11:33 |
| kalikiana | or even better would be to setup shortcuts on maemo.org | 11:33 |
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| kalikiana | then you wouldn't even need any files | 11:33 |
| lardman | yeah sure, just thinking about the physical size of the barcode, not the url length ;) | 11:33 |
| kalikiana | I mean, if maemo.org would generate .install files for packages | 11:33 |
| lardman | I think it does already...? | 11:34 |
| kalikiana | then why do you need to encode the whole file? | 11:34 |
| lardman | I was just thinking of the case where I'm browsing on my PC, rather than N9|8x0, then I could just snap a picture and app manger will install it for me | 11:34 |
| kalikiana | you need network in that case anyway | 11:35 |
| kalikiana | so an url would be fine | 11:35 |
| lardman | ah true | 11:35 |
| lardman | I see what you mean now | 11:36 |
| lardman | I wonder if app manager can open a .install file from an URL, rather than having to spawn the browser to download the file, which then gets passed on? | 11:36 |
| ali1234 | actually, that is a really good idea | 11:37 |
| ali1234 | why should i have to type in a long url to an install file, when instead i can take a picture of the screen? | 11:37 |
| lardman | we aim to please | 11:37 |
| vesa | anyone have pointers where to look to get opengl es working with scratchbox/xephyr? | 11:38 |
| lardman | I think javispedro has it working | 11:39 |
| pupnik | new record for pulseaudio cpu usage - spoken mp3 in mediaplayer - duration of peak about 10 seconds: | 11:39 |
| pupnik | PID PPID USER STAT RSS %MEM %CPU COMMAND | 11:39 |
| ali1234 | vesa: dunno where to look. i heard it currently only works on x86 target | 11:39 |
| pupnik | 722 1 pulse R < 3764 1.5 25.2 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority | 11:39 |
| vesa | hmm. ok. will bug javispedro =) | 11:39 |
| ali1234 | pupnik: you think 25% CPU usage for pulseaudio is high? | 11:39 |
| pupnik | yea! | 11:40 |
| ali1234 | i've seen it go about 35% on a P4 | 11:40 |
| ali1234 | *above | 11:40 |
| Pavlov | anyone sort out how to sync your google contacts with your n900 -- ones beyond just your gtalk contacts? | 11:40 |
| pupnik | haahahaha | 11:40 |
| Pavlov | or do i need to use activesync? | 11:43 |
| pupnik | i see a war between googleites and freesearchers in 2025 | 11:44 |
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| Pavlov | heh | 11:46 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:48 |
| javispedro | morning Jaffa | 11:48 |
| javispedro | tada! did I hear someone needing OpenGL ES help? | 11:48 |
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| javispedro | vesa: what's your problem? | 11:49 |
| lardman | morning Jaffa javispedro | 11:50 |
| javispedro | re | 11:50 |
| vesa | javispedro: indeed you heard correctly. having trouble getting opengl es working with scratchbox (ie. building works, running in scratchbox doesn't) | 11:51 |
| vesa | running on device works well too | 11:51 |
| javispedro | it won't work in armel target | 11:51 |
| javispedro | the libs there are not emulation but the real deal AFAIU | 11:51 |
| vesa | yes, trying with X86 | 11:52 |
| javispedro | and what you get? black screen? EGL error? | 11:52 |
| vesa | segfault | 11:52 |
| vesa | should it work out of the box or are there extra steps? | 11:52 |
| javispedro | gl es 2 should work out of the box, mostly. | 11:53 |
| vesa | ok. then there might be a problem somewhere else. will doublecheck. | 11:53 |
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| ali1234 | as i understand it, you need opengl 2.0 support in your host system in order to use the gl|es emulation libs | 11:53 |
| javispedro | not really, the sdk ships a libmesa soft | 11:54 |
| ali1234 | hmm. well in that case, i'm having the same problem | 11:54 |
| vesa | and for the record i'm using the fremantle final vmware image | 11:54 |
| javispedro | hum... I've not tried with the latest libs yet. | 11:55 |
| ali1234 | neither have i | 11:55 |
| ali1234 | i have not tried it since the updated firmware and SDK | 11:55 |
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| vesa | uh, haircut time. bbl -> | 11:56 |
| ali1234 | ah i see | 11:57 |
| ali1234 | there is no "libgles2" for x86 target | 11:58 |
| javispedro | there is (apt-get install libgles2-dev) | 11:58 |
| glass_ | vesa: didn't you get the memo? the longer the hair the less you have to do work | 11:58 |
| javispedro | and either way I guess that's not vesa's problem. | 11:58 |
| ali1234 | yeah i guess | 11:58 |
| ali1234 | but that package does not exist either | 11:58 |
| javispedro | vesa: try building and running http://depot.javispedro.com/oglesv2test/ogltest.tar.gz | 11:58 |
| javispedro | or ali1234 for the matter | 11:59 |
| javispedro | I'm away from my sbox box | 11:59 |
| pupnik | i just ran in armel box. why build x86 at all? | 11:59 |
| ali1234 | will do | 11:59 |
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| ali1234 | yeah i just run everything on the device | 11:59 |
| ali1234 | that works perfectly | 11:59 |
| ali1234 | but of course not everyone has one | 11:59 |
| javispedro | and x86 dev is faster | 11:59 |
| pupnik | k | 12:00 |
| pupnik | *armel scratchbox | 12:00 |
| ali1234 | meh, you know what's even faster? developing using a portable 3d engine like ogre... | 12:00 |
| javispedro | well you ported it don't you? it's on extras laready? | 12:00 |
| ali1234 | well i didn't put it there | 12:01 |
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| ali1234 | but yeah, that's why i ported it... using raw EGL is just not worth it unless you're writing an engine, something i have no desire to do | 12:02 |
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| javispedro | I'd say EGL is just a bit harder than GLX. not rocket stuff. | 12:02 |
| javispedro | butusing bare GL for any serious game is. | 12:02 |
| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/m35e0d514 | 12:03 |
| ali1234 | (result of attempting to install libgles2-dev | 12:03 |
| ali1234 | hmm i meant GLES | 12:03 |
| javispedro | enable extras non-free | 12:03 |
| javispedro | hmm extras-devel non-free actually | 12:03 |
| ali1234 | specifically GL|ES 2.0 is a real pain | 12:03 |
| ali1234 | cheers, i'll do that | 12:04 |
| ali1234 | afaik every repo i added, i added to both targets... | 12:04 |
| javispedro | note that if you haven't patched it, the xephyr colors bug will be there -- expect orangeness instead of blueness | 12:04 |
| ali1234 | maybe it will be double bugged, and come out right? | 12:05 |
| ali1234 | or | 12:05 |
| javispedro | s/xephyr/clutter | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: we have colors bug in mer vmdk.. what was the url for the bugfix again? | 12:05 |
| ali1234 | actually i might have hit the nail on the ehad there | 12:05 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: you're not using the maemo libclutter thus my workaround doesn't apply there :( | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: we are now | 12:05 |
| ali1234 | someone is working on the gl|es backend right? maybe they worked around the bug instead of patching xephyr? | 12:05 |
| javispedro | bug 4870 | 12:06 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 Red & blue color channels swapped sometimes in SDK | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: updated snapshot to latest gitorious tree | 12:06 |
| ali1234 | thus causing the reverse bug when running on real device | 12:06 |
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| javispedro | I don't know anything about the device having that bug | 12:06 |
| ali1234 | exact;y | 12:06 |
| ali1234 | what i mean is | 12:06 |
| javispedro | not the same bug if it does | 12:06 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1542 | 12:07 |
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| ali1234 | say i'm porting ogre in the SDK and i notice the colours are swapped, so i put a work around in ogre. now it looks ok in the SDK. when i run it on the device, the colours will be swapped, if the device doesnt have the same bug | 12:07 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 12:07 | |
| javispedro | ali1234: ah, I get it. | 12:07 |
| javispedro | yeah, that would be pretty funny. | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so... qwerty wrote some code for me | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and it works in Maemo5 but not in Mer | 12:07 |
| ali1234 | i guess we will find out if i get it running in the SDK | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: patch applies | 12:09 |
| javispedro | we'll, waiting the news :) | 12:09 |
| javispedro | s/'/ | 12:09 |
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| dmj726 | is the browser ui closed? | 12:10 |
| javispedro | ah... | 12:10 |
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| lardman | such a pain not being able to run my app from the command line | 12:11 |
| javispedro | dmj726: yes... | 12:11 |
| dmj726 | okay. | 12:12 |
| dmj726 | I was hoping to see how they did the swirly zoom gesture. | 12:12 |
| dmj726 | Is that a standard maemo gesture or proprietary to the browser? | 12:12 |
| javispedro | I was hoping to see some system-wide lib for detecting it now that the zoom buttons are for "volume" | 12:12 |
| lardman | browser | 12:12 |
| lardman | but with Qt there will be a gesture layer iirc | 12:13 |
| dmj726 | too bad. | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: http://maemo.gitorious.org/+mer/fremantle-hildon-desktop/clutter_0_8-mer/commits/mer/colours-fix | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | if you want us to submit a mere request to clutter, do say | 12:14 |
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| Stskeeps | merge | 12:14 |
| javispedro | this is very specific to the maemo clutter | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | to maemo clutter, i mean | 12:14 |
| dmj726 | perhaps I should just co-opt the volume buttons | 12:14 |
| javispedro | well if you to ask them... | 12:15 |
| javispedro | :) | 12:15 |
| dmj726 | that seems mean though | 12:15 |
| javispedro | I'd like some review though (someone checking if my assumptions are true) | 12:15 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: let's test if it works first and then we can suggest a merge request | 12:15 |
| javispedro | of course. | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: stupid question, is your patch reversed? | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 12:17 |
| javispedro | seems not | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | just had to understand it :) | 12:17 |
| javispedro | the basic idea is to | 12:18 |
| javispedro | fix the typo in the packed_pixels ext detection, | 12:18 |
| javispedro | and allow use of GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT_5_6_5 even if that extension is not present | 12:18 |
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| javispedro | since (and that's what I'd like checked) GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT_5_6_5 comes with ogl 1.2 and not packed_pixels | 12:18 |
| javispedro | packed_pixels comes with RGBA_4444, etc. | 12:19 |
| javispedro | s/comes/adds | 12:19 |
| javispedro | (the extension is present in any sane version of mesa either way, so the second part shouldn't actually matter) | 12:20 |
| javispedro | but it's just there for pickiness and the fact that vmgl does not support packed_pixels | 12:21 |
| javispedro | (but does support _5_6_5, therefore proving my point and ending my monologue) | 12:21 |
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| Markus23 | is there jfs support build in maemo 5 kernel? | 12:25 |
| Markus23 | why isn't /home a much larger ext2? | 12:25 |
| lardman | If I'm writing debugging info to a file, do I need to flush it after each write? | 12:25 |
| javispedro | home IS in a much large ext3. | 12:25 |
| javispedro | well, 2 GiB large. | 12:25 |
| * Markus23 thinks it is strange that /home/user/MyDocs is using VFAT | 12:26 | |
| Stskeeps | not relly | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | able to use for mass storage | 12:26 |
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| Markus23 | ok, I can change it anyways | 12:26 |
| * javispedro has MyDocs on VFAT on his N810 just for that reason.. | 12:26 | |
| Markus23 | is jfs support? | 12:26 |
| Markus23 | is/is there | 12:27 |
| javispedro | don't think so, but if you can build it as a module... | 12:27 |
| Markus23 | ahh, ok | 12:27 |
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| lardman | bbl | 12:31 |
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| Lorthirk | 'morning | 12:31 |
| TomaszD | you guys, vote for OMweather's iconsets ok? else there never gonna show up in extras | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | dmj726: the zoom gesture iirc is in the gecko side | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | not the browser-ui side | 12:32 |
| * javispedro ponders if he's allowed to vote iconsets without the device ;) | 12:33 | |
| javispedro | morning Lorthirk | 12:34 |
| RST38h | of course you are :) | 12:34 |
| Lorthirk | has anyone had problems with nokia's headphones and n900? | 12:34 |
| ali1234 | only involving the fm radio, and that's fixed now | 12:35 |
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| Lorthirk | damn | 12:36 |
| Lorthirk | n900 won't recognize my headphones | 12:36 |
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| Lorthirk | but the jack is working, since any other headphones and the a/v cable are working fine | 12:37 |
| Lorthirk | and the nokia headphones are ok too, since they works on an iphone | 12:37 |
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| ShadowJK | where "my headphones" is the nokia headphone? | 12:38 |
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| Lorthirk | yep | 12:40 |
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| javispedro | .... | 12:41 |
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| javispedro | oh, so THERE IS a way to bypass QA ;9 | 12:42 |
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| Lorthirk | :) | 12:44 |
| Lorthirk | but now... what to do? | 12:44 |
| Lorthirk | called nokia shop, told me to call nokia care | 12:44 |
| Lorthirk | called nokia care, told to ask nokia shop for a PHONE replace | 12:45 |
| ali1234 | javispedro: ok, got the libs installed, had to "ln -s libGL.so.1 libGL.so" before anything would work, and i still get nothing but a black window | 12:45 |
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| ali1234 | actually that makes me think it is working, cos if you open a window and don't draw anything, it's green | 12:46 |
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| ali1234 | indeed, if i set clear colour to red, i get an empty red window :) | 12:48 |
| javispedro | so it's working? | 12:48 |
| ali1234 | yeah looks like it | 12:48 |
| ali1234 | just not drawing any geometry | 12:48 |
| ali1234 | but probably the sim exploded | 12:48 |
| ali1234 | by app expects the accelerometer | 12:48 |
| zaheerm | w00t, were you told by nokia.co.uk that they ran out of stock? | 12:48 |
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| w00t | zaheerm: i've been repeatedly told multiple things to the point where I've pretty much given up on calling them | 12:50 |
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| zaheerm | w00t, so anyways i plan on going to regent street and buying it there and then cancelling the silly order when that is done | 12:51 |
| ali1234 | hmm that's weird. disable the accelerometer reading, and the output is kind of ... not what i expected. oh well, it's working anyway | 12:51 |
| w00t | I was considering similar but not quite identical action | 12:51 |
| w00t | i.e. just going to amazon or something and waiting a while | 12:51 |
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| w00t | they have infinitely better customer service even if I do have to wait a while | 12:51 |
| zaheerm | w00t, they told me on tuesday oh don't worry plenty of stock, muppets then told me today oh we ran out of stock waiting for new stock which is arriving in a week | 12:51 |
| w00t | ..yeah, I got told the 'plenty of stock' thing too, as well as 'it'll ship today' two days ago | 12:52 |
| w00t | etc | 12:52 |
| zaheerm | they don't have a clue | 12:52 |
| zaheerm | the phone isn't even for me, it is for thomasvs | 12:52 |
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| w00t | it's certainly left a bad impression on their retail for me | 12:52 |
| zaheerm | and i'm going to barcelona on wed to give to him | 12:53 |
| zaheerm | s/wed/thu/ | 12:53 |
| infobot | zaheerm meant: and i'm going to barcelona on thu to give to him | 12:53 |
| jorma_ | just got my n900 5 mins ago!!!! | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | jorma_: congrats :) check your microphone, headset and screen | 12:53 |
| zaheerm | looks like mastercard did a auto denial on nokia | 12:53 |
| jorma_ | stskeeps: yeah | 12:53 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, haha, that's exactly what I was typing | 12:53 |
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| * w00t grins | 12:54 | |
| Stskeeps | jorma_: and charge your device fully before reflashing | 12:54 |
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| bilboed | zaheerm, looks like mastercard really doesn't like the Nokia online stores | 12:54 |
| bilboed | zaheerm, same screwup happened with me for the N810 program (ordered 3 times, cancelled 3 times, never got the device) | 12:54 |
| w00t | I don't have a mastercard, mine was done via debit card, and the most annoying point is, as far as my bank is concerned, it went through | 12:55 |
| w00t | so I still have a £1k hold on my account that nokia refuses to believe exists | 12:55 |
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| bilboed | w00t, the money was taken straight away those 3 times... then refunded a week later | 12:55 |
| w00t | haha. | 12:55 |
| ali1234 | best thing to do in those situations is go into the branch and start complaining very loudly | 12:55 |
| bilboed | (it's a debit mastercard, can't stand credit) | 12:55 |
| bilboed | ali1234, branch <===== lightyears =====> online store | 12:56 |
| ali1234 | they can't do anything in branch, but they can get you directly through to the "special" customer services that can actually fix the problem | 12:56 |
| bilboed | they have virtually nothing in common | 12:56 |
| w00t | ali1234: I spent the better part of yesterday pinging and ponging from the bank to nokia to try get it sorted out | 12:56 |
| ali1234 | right, phoning up is a waste of time | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: you can go claim the hold is fraudulent as they have cancelled the order | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | and show proof of cancellation | 12:56 |
| ali1234 | you have to complain loudly and publicly in the branch. make a scene | 12:56 |
| bilboed | bring a baseball bat | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | and a S/M mask | 12:56 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: you know, I'm quite tempted to do that, if it weren't for the fact that it might make them think the next transaction were fradulent :-P | 12:57 |
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| * RST38h moos | 12:59 | |
| zaheerm | shit | 13:00 |
| zaheerm | nokia flagship uk store said 4th december | 13:01 |
| w00t | haha. | 13:01 |
| w00t | those dates just keep getting further and further away | 13:01 |
| zaheerm | the "launch" of the n900 is 4th december | 13:01 |
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| zaheerm | the retail side of nokia needs a big kick up the arse | 13:02 |
| w00t | I wonder when they'll push that date back like the last 30 they've given out | 13:02 |
| maexmo | good morning | 13:02 |
| w00t | I think the twitter announcement was the best | 13:02 |
| zaheerm | earlier this week, store said thursday, latest friday | 13:02 |
| frals | be glad your not in sweden, we wont get until after first update is released ;-) | 13:03 |
| zaheerm | frals, i guess so :) | 13:03 |
| w00t | frals: at the current rate, neither will I | 13:03 |
| w00t | zaheerm: and last week, they said that last week | 13:04 |
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| zaheerm | w00t, maybe the executive decision was that everyone has to wait for sweden :) | 13:04 |
| w00t | that implies there was thought and coordination :P | 13:05 |
| zaheerm | w00t, lol | 13:05 |
| shd | n900 has some patching to do.. nc -l -p 1234 >/dev/null and nc host 1234 </dev/zero crashes N900 in ad hoc mode | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | shd: report the crash? | 13:06 |
| shd | the reason is, some daemon does software reset on the device | 13:06 |
| shd | not really crashes, but daemon forces software reset | 13:06 |
| shd | Stskeeps: of course | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | of course, if the system is way too overloaded | 13:06 |
| shd | but imo, pumping zero with tcp is not overloading.. it's pretty normal load for data traffic | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:07 |
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| shd | and this only happens if the wlan is in ad hoc mode, not infrastructure mode | 13:07 |
| shd | cleaning the sources list from /etc/apt (taking everything away) makes this bug go away :D | 13:07 |
| julianoliver | is there an equivalent to the iwtools suite for Maemo5? | 13:08 |
| shd | julianoliver: yes, put extras into source list, and install wireless-tools | 13:08 |
| julianoliver | ahh.. great. thanks.. | 13:08 |
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| javispedro | <tmo mode>Nokia Spain is shipping</tmo mode> | 13:12 |
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| khertan | Hi ... | 13:13 |
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| lardman | re | 13:13 |
| khertan | is there a way to have some priviledge on his own product on maemo bugzilla ? | 13:14 |
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| khertan | i cannot confirm bug on my own product | 13:14 |
| khertan | just add comment | 13:14 |
| khertan | :( | 13:14 |
| andre__ | khertan, uhm? | 13:14 |
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| andre__ | khertan, blame me :) | 13:15 |
| khertan | lol | 13:15 |
| andre__ | khertan, which product? | 13:15 |
| khertan | mCalendar | 13:15 |
| fnordianslip | hi. happy to get my new n900 yesterday. so far so good, although it's taking a while to get used to its size. i'v e noticed that the browser can lose keybd focus if something goes on in the background, i.e. app manager finishes an installation. has anyone else noticed this? | 13:15 |
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| andre__ | khertan, well, you're not listed as default assignee :) | 13:15 |
| julianoliver | fnordianslip: yes | 13:16 |
| khertan | but i think it ll be the same for the other product | 13:16 |
| khertan | andre__: how can i do it ? | 13:16 |
| andre__ | khertan, better now? :-) | 13:16 |
| andre__ | just fixed it | 13:16 |
| andre__ | fnordianslip, known issue, moment | 13:16 |
| khertan | ah ok thank | 13:16 |
| fnordianslip | ok.tnx | 13:17 |
| julianoliver | fnordianslip: indeed the N900 isn't very trouser pocket friendly.. probably more catered to jackets. | 13:17 |
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| fnordianslip | julianoliver: its the lack of size, not an excess of it, that i'm finding hard to deal with | 13:17 |
| andre__ | fnordianslip, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6060 - will be fixed in a future update | 13:18 |
| povbot | Bug 6060: Application manager finishing an installation in background blocks keyboard input | 13:18 |
| julianoliver | fnordianslip: haha. you may be the first. | 13:18 |
| fnordianslip | andre__: thanks | 13:19 |
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| khertan | hum ... i ve a strange things here | 13:22 |
| khertan | python... import gdata no module nammed gdata | 13:23 |
| khertan | python-gdata installed | 13:23 |
| khertan | and pymaemo-optify ... <<<--- maybe the problem | 13:23 |
| * ShadowJK has had jeans that fit unfolded flipphones | 13:24 | |
| lizardo_ | khertan: is thi on N900 ? or on sbox ? | 13:24 |
| khertan | lizardo_: on n900 | 13:24 |
| khertan | i was trying to upload a post with mastory ... but didn't work so i look what happen on xterm | 13:25 |
| lizardo_ | khertan: let me try here :) did you installed gdata after or before upgrading the python version that installed pymaemo-optify ? | 13:25 |
| khertan | it s could come from gdata package | 13:25 |
| khertan | removing ... reinstall ... (same package) now work | 13:26 |
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| khertan | was installed before the maemo-optify | 13:27 |
| lizardo_ | khertan: it worked here | 13:27 |
| khertan | don't know why | 13:27 |
| khertan | don't bother with this | 13:27 |
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| lizardo_ | khertan: strange, pymaemo-optify always migrate the old content from /usr/lib/>... directories before installing it, so that packages already installed continue to work (I tried it many times with other packages) maybe fore some reason it failed to do so (but in this case I think the instalation would have failed) I'll try to reproduce the problem | 13:28 |
| lizardo_ | at least I've seen no other reports of breakage :) | 13:28 |
| khertan | lizardo_: i ven't any other broken things | 13:29 |
| khertan | i ve try to with pygtkeditor ... | 13:29 |
| khertan | before ... after ... before ... | 13:29 |
| khertan | but launching python apps doesn't work well while the package pymaemo-optify is installing | 13:30 |
| khertan | :) | 13:30 |
| khertan | to/too | 13:30 |
| lizardo_ | khertan: yes, that's kind unavoidable, because it moves things around :/ | 13:30 |
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| khertan | yep of course | 13:30 |
| khertan | but ... i ve try for the fun | 13:31 |
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| julianoliver | is there a server side search interface akin to packages.debian.org? i would like to see what's in repositories not in my sources.list. | 13:32 |
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| javispedro | maemo.org/packages | 13:32 |
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| khertan | lizardo_: did you know if it s a bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6254 or something that i could fix in python | 13:33 |
| povbot | Bug 6254: FileChooserDialog didn't display files or folders icon | 13:33 |
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| julianoliver | javispedro: thanks.. should've guessed. | 13:33 |
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| * julianoliver notes maemo.org is extremely slow. | 13:34 | |
| lizardo_ | khertan: we didn't have time do triage this bug yet :/ but IIRC at least one PyMaemo dev reproduced it, but we still need to check whether it is something missing on Python code or actually a bug | 13:34 |
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| khertan | lizardo_: ok thx | 13:34 |
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| lizardo_ | khertan: as soon as I get some update on it (e.g. workarounds) I'll comment on the bug | 13:35 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: so, did my workaround work? | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: OBS is a bit broken atm so waiting for it | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem: ok, i'm told that /bin/cp doesn't do what i thought it did | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | so i think i might have a fix :) | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | with that, i can probably worry less about restarting :) | 13:38 |
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| hrw | morning | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 13:43 |
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| RST38h | mourning indeed | 13:43 |
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| hrw | ~curse ddp | 13:45 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ddp ! | 13:45 |
| RST38h | what again? | 13:45 |
| adeus | is there a way to clone a scratchbox target? | 13:45 |
| hrw | RST38h: cursing ddp for delay once per day helps to keep sanity | 13:45 |
| javispedro | yet another gloriuous morning of no ddp =) | 13:46 |
| RST38h | hrw: What if they send you a device with the broken mic? =) | 13:46 |
| javispedro | mic is overrated | 13:46 |
| javispedro | who needs to place actual phone calls? | 13:46 |
| javispedro | ;) | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: at least there's 1 week warranty | 13:46 |
| * RST38h is only going to get his in January, so if the mic is broken, he cannot find it in the first week and return | 13:46 | |
| RST38h | javis: Yea, it is not a phone after all | 13:46 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Does not help me | 13:47 |
| hrw | RST38h: I have few other phones to shout at them | 13:47 |
| RST38h | javis: It is a mobile computer! | 13:47 |
| hrw | my music player has 25KB binary and no device to use it on | 13:47 |
| RST38h | command line music player? | 13:50 |
| hrw | Qt | 13:50 |
| javispedro | much like what palm did with the foleo, it inherits both the worst aspects of a phone and the worst aspects from a mobile computer | 13:51 |
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| javispedro | so it is neither a phone nor a mobile computer but a monster =) | 13:52 |
| julianoliver | my N900 is a European model. does this mean I should use the 'Global' flasher image? | 13:52 |
| lardman | yes | 13:53 |
| adeus | only if you're on earth | 13:53 |
| julianoliver | lardman: cheers | 13:53 |
| julianoliver | adeus: ahh, good catch. speaking of which, wireless reception is exceptional from the ISS. | 13:53 |
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| lardman | International Space Station? | 13:54 |
| julianoliver | indeed. | 13:55 |
| fnordianslip | 've sent packets of sata through the ISS using my ham radio kit | 13:55 |
| fnordianslip | er, data | 13:55 |
| javispedro | julianoliver: remember to try IrDA if you ever get in a spaceship flying at 0.3c | 13:56 |
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| julianoliver | javispedro: i certainly will. | 13:56 |
| RST38h | Hmmm.... the no-mic thing is causing a major shitstorm | 13:57 |
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| julianoliver | RST38h: what proportion shipped have this problem? | 13:58 |
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| RST38h | How do I know? | 13:59 |
| RST38h | Apparently, many | 13:59 |
| julianoliver | a shame indeed. | 13:59 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: knowing how tmo works, with only ONE failed shipped mic there would be a similar shitstorm. | 13:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone else had their card/... charged from nokia.co.uk, and no further contact or indication it's shipping after several days? | 14:00 |
| RST38h | javis: Yea, although this does not appear to be the case | 14:00 |
| RST38h | Yes, and they returned the money after a week or so | 14:00 |
| RST38h | In related news..."iPhone owners with mates in Afghanistan will have a hard time keeping track of them, as the handset doesn't admit the existence of the country in its contacts application." | 14:01 |
| javispedro | ah, as usual, everyone posted their IMEI codes on the board | 14:01 |
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| javispedro | ............ sigh. | 14:01 |
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| javispedro | there goes my free tablets-dev image :) | 14:02 |
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| RST38h | evil, pure evil, like you couldn't do it any other way... | 14:02 |
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| javispedro | hey, I'm still an evil newbie. | 14:03 |
| javispedro | but yeah, the moment engadget grabs the story it's the end of the world as we know it. | 14:04 |
| RST38h | the next upcoming end of the world... | 14:05 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: i'd double check that the payment wasn't "declined" | 14:05 |
| w00t | (where declined in that context can really mean declined, or declined because nokia hates you) | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: It's still out of my account | 14:06 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: mine too, but nokia said it got declined :-) | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: as in a bank transfer | 14:06 |
| * SpeedEvil rings them | 14:07 | |
| javispedro | I have to admit, it would be somewhat shaming If I have to unpack a 600$ device only to try to make a phone call with it and fail =) | 14:07 |
| w00t | javispedro: yeah. kind of makes you wonder if the QA people had a hard night on the booze | 14:08 |
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| javispedro | or if it's a sw issue. | 14:09 |
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| w00t | mm | 14:09 |
| range | Doesn't look like it - drivers get loaded afaics (on tmo): | 14:09 |
| w00t | you'd expect that, then, to affect all or none, no? | 14:09 |
| w00t | identical hardware, identical software, should lead to identical effects | 14:09 |
| tbf | javispedro: do you know what regularly causes is empty http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/Release ? | 14:09 |
| range | It just doesn't show a capture interface. | 14:09 |
| javispedro | tbf: race conditions caused by X-Fade being on holidays. As soon as he returns, whithout him doing anything, problems will disappear. | 14:10 |
| javispedro | doesn't show a capture interface? | 14:10 |
| javispedro | then how could that be a hw problem? hw is dumb. | 14:10 |
| lardman | speaking of X-Fade, has he been online all this time? | 14:10 |
| lardman | ~seen X-Fade | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: 'still waiting for confirmation from the warehouse that it's shipped.' | 14:10 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (8h 28m 38s), last said: 'lcuk: tonight doesn't specify an end :)'. | 14:11 |
| lardman | ah, he's back | 14:11 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: curious | 14:11 |
| javispedro | ah, so my theories are wrong. | 14:11 |
| lardman | X-Fade: wb | 14:11 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: in other words, they lost your phone | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: :) | 14:11 |
| tbf | javispedro: so let's hope X-Fade comes back soon and fixes those races :-) | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: maybe they'll be sufficiently confused to send you one without payment. | 14:13 |
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| w00t | SpeedEvil: latest news on my reorder: "I think the payment succeeded" (although my bank doesn't think they even asked for it) and "it'll ship today" (which I've heard for the past 3 days) | 14:13 |
| lardman | does anyone know how latitude works? | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: it's how far north or south you are on the earth. The equator is 0, and the poles are +-90 | 14:13 |
| lardman | doh! | 14:14 |
| lardman | I meant, my fault, Google Latitide | 14:14 |
| zaheerm | SpeedEvil, latest news on mine, ran out of stock due in a week... | 14:14 |
| range | javispedro: Because there phyiscally is no capture interface, when/if the mic is broken? | 14:14 |
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| range | Physically even. | 14:14 |
| lardman | Latitude even | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Oops - sorry - I've not woken up really yet. | 14:14 |
| lardman | :) | 14:14 |
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| zaheerm | nothing been debited by nokia from my credit card apart from the first attempt that got declined on monday | 14:15 |
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| lardman | I mean Google Maps is available on lots of platforms, and they all support Latitude, surely someone has done some data interception | 14:16 |
| javispedro | range: isn't the mic connected to an analog connection? | 14:17 |
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| Davide | hey any idea why when connected to my ubuntu desktop from my tablet through vnc, I cannot see the changes when minimizing maximizing windows or opening programs...? | 14:18 |
| Davide | anyone use the vncviewer? | 14:18 |
| range | javispedro: I have no phone, Nokia Germany fails to deliver :) | 14:19 |
| Davide | could it have to do with compiz? | 14:19 |
| range | So I cannot look. That is just what I took out of the threads on tmo. | 14:19 |
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| javispedro | but I'm pretty sure, if they're using the standard omap codec, that it's an analog connection | 14:20 |
| javispedro | in which case sw detecting ANYTHING would mean sw problem | 14:21 |
| lizardo_ | khertan: I just commented on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6254 :) I proposed a workaround there | 14:21 |
| povbot | Bug 6254: FileChooserDialog didn't display files or folders icon | 14:21 |
| javispedro | or a deep shit omap problem | 14:21 |
| javispedro | which I doubt. | 14:21 |
| julianoliver | yep | 14:21 |
| lizardo_ | khertan: BTW that "GtkWarning: Invalid icon size 0" is unrelated to the bug (it also appears on C code) | 14:21 |
| zaheerm | lardman, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/588062/google-latitude-api | 14:23 |
| lardman | thanks | 14:23 |
| lardman | I wonder if that could be hacked to work for us.... | 14:24 |
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| crashanddie_ | lardman: same T&C as for Google Maps | 14:28 |
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| lardman | yeah well | 14:28 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman: only allowed to use the APIs for websites | 14:28 |
| lardman | portable website, webruntime, etc | 14:29 |
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| hrw | Qt 4.6 is available already in maemo5? | 14:30 |
| lardman | does it compile now? | 14:30 |
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| evo | hi guys, I have a problem with maemo browser; I want to write a ` character (grave accent) inside the password field, but virtual keyboard (both Italian and English) don't let me to put just it, they want me to add a letter after ... how can I force it to accept the accent only? thanks! | 14:32 |
| andre__ | evo, click twice | 14:33 |
| lardman | space | 14:33 |
| andre__ | or press space after | 14:33 |
| evo | thanks :) | 14:33 |
| evo | I'm really enjoying maemo5 on my n900, thanks to all of you guys :) | 14:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: wow | 14:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't realize that rtcom guys monitor bugs.maemo.org | 14:34 |
| andre__ | hrw, not yet AFAIK. http://qt.gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework ? | 14:34 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, moving slowly. but I've had a few nice surprises in the last weeks of Nokians actually talking to users out there ;-) | 14:34 |
| timeless_mbp | s/there/here/ ? :) | 14:34 |
| javispedro | and even Exchange guys monitoring tmo :) | 14:35 |
| timeless_mbp | as in MS E or MfE ? | 14:35 |
| timeless_mbp | because internally we can't get them to fix our MS E svr | 14:35 |
| hrw | andre__: I do not care about maemo6 | 14:35 |
| andre__ | javispedro, that's the coolest pleasure to me today | 14:35 |
| andre__ | hrw, fine. | 14:35 |
| hrw | andre__: when maemo6 will be released users of n900 will be forced to buy n1000 | 14:35 |
| hrw | andre__: so far I plan to have n900 but avoid gtk as much as possible | 14:36 |
| javispedro | probably. and it will be like november 2009 all again. | 14:36 |
| andre__ | hrw: so http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1346627 instead? | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | no one ever forced me to buy an SNES | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | or an n64 | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | or hrm... did i miss one? | 14:36 |
| javispedro | all the gameboy variations | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | GameCube! | 14:36 |
| glass_ | virtualboy | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and i haven't even been forced to buy a Wii | 14:37 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: I meant: I doubt that maemo6 will work on n900 | 14:37 |
| timeless_mbp | even though i own an NES and a GB | 14:37 |
| andre__ | evo, and feel free to vote for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5314 :-P | 14:37 |
| povbot | Bug 5314: Third row of special characters are deadkeys, no hint about that | 14:37 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: do i want to know why that bug is RESO FIXE ? | 14:38 |
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| andre__ | timeless_mbp, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5314#c13 | 14:38 |
| povbot | Bug 5314: Third row of special characters are deadkeys, no hint about that | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: no | 14:39 |
| lardman | hrw: I think it probably will | 14:39 |
| timeless_mbp | assuming that the dead keys don't look distinct when they are *not* highlighted | 14:39 |
| timeless_mbp | then the bug isn't fixed | 14:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | even my pre sales shows a highlight when a deadkey is triggered | 14:39 |
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| * julianoliver notes people are saying mic works after reboot: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35075&page=14 | 14:39 | |
| * timeless_mbp thinks OMWeather crashed hildon-desktop | 14:39 | |
| timeless_mbp | is it supposed to do that when it updates? | 14:40 |
| lardman | lol @ mic | 14:40 |
| lardman | a "feature" you reckon? ;) | 14:40 |
| frals | hmm.. head to the pub or freshen up my C... choices, always choices ;< | 14:41 |
| julianoliver | frals: bit early for the pub no? | 14:41 |
| javispedro | frals: forget C, forget the pub, and waste your time in tvtropes.org | 14:41 |
| lardman | it's after 11 somewhere in the world | 14:41 |
| frals | julianoliver: as a student i have to disagree ;-) | 14:41 |
| julianoliver | lardman: "pubs" are generally in Britain. "bars" are usually everywhere else ;) | 14:42 |
| zap | in dmesg I have "onenand_wait: controller error = 0x2440" and then "Buffer I/O error on device mtdblock4, logical block 53568". Is this the end? | 14:42 |
| lardman | doing wonders there for the appreciation of students i see frals ;) | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: the problem with the deadkeys is presentational | 14:42 |
| frals | studentpub opens at 11, and its already 13:40 here ;) | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | at the flat state when the soft view opens | 14:42 |
| lardman | julianoliver: we have bars too, they are located in pubs ;) | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | those things should have a different outline | 14:43 |
| lardman | actually we have bars too, different to pubs tho | 14:43 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, actually I'm surprised that in t.m.o a Nokian clearly said what's currently not supported in Mail for Exchange. I've been waiting for weeks for this. Hope that a braindead manager does not kill him for this... | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | and they should have some box below their icon to indicate that they compose | 14:43 |
| TomaszD | julianoliver, I'd have to disagree on that. Here bars is where you eat, pubs is just alcohol and snacks. | 14:43 |
| julianoliver | lardman: TomaszD where's "here" ? | 14:43 |
| andre__ | timeless, battle internally with the managers. i've already spent hours on this and even became insulting. | 14:43 |
| lardman | TomaszD: other way round over here | 14:43 |
| TomaszD | julianoliver, Poland. | 14:43 |
| lardman | here is the UK for me | 14:43 |
| TomaszD | heh, that's funny, somewhere someone got things mixed up and now it's like it is | 14:44 |
| frals | i use the words interchangeably (sp?) | 14:44 |
| javispedro | zap: probably not. | 14:44 |
| julianoliver | they should just be referred to as 'Havens of Unproductivity' | 14:45 |
| julianoliver | 'haven' for short.. | 14:45 |
| frals | :D | 14:46 |
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| zap | javispedro: do you have any idea why this error appears? | 14:46 |
| javispedro | zap: no, but I'd guess bad block. | 14:46 |
| zap | JFFS2 warning: (2154) jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary, padsize = -1001 | 14:46 |
| zap | I see this too | 14:46 |
| javispedro | again, normal. | 14:46 |
| zap | does jffs2 mark bad blocks somehow? | 14:47 |
| javispedro | yes, that's one of its main jobs | 14:47 |
| javispedro | and the reason it runs over the mtd layer instead of block | 14:47 |
| zap | is it? I had the impression that mtdblock4 is mounted as root | 14:47 |
| zap | or you mean mtdblock is not a regular block device | 14:48 |
| javispedro | mtdblock is mtd device | 14:48 |
| zap | aha | 14:48 |
| javispedro | aka "raw flash" | 14:48 |
| zap | that happened when I tried to backup my mtdblock4 with dd, so it is possible that JFFS2 marked it as bad already, right? | 14:48 |
| javispedro | yeah | 14:50 |
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| zap | anybody knows whats the best way to backup the rootfs so that it could be restored even if maemo doesn't boot? | 14:50 |
| zap | I'm going to do Very Bad Things with it and I wouldnt like to reinstall the firmware from scratch every time | 14:51 |
| javispedro | ~flashing | 14:52 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 14:52 |
| javispedro | ah | 14:52 |
| javispedro | misread, sorry. | 14:52 |
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| Stskeeps | zap: on my n900 i rsync -aHx / to my ext2/3 SD, copy over a typical /dev, and make a ubifs out of t | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | which i then can reflash | 14:53 |
| zap | what is ubifs? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | jffs2 replacement in n900 | 14:53 |
| zap | ~ubifs | 14:53 |
| zap | ah | 14:53 |
| zap | never heard of it | 14:53 |
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| lardman | hmm, interesting: http://code.google.com/apis/gears/geolocation_network_protocol.html | 14:58 |
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| lardman | I wonder if we could provide data to that service, and receive a current address, but also I wonder if we will then appear on Latitude... | 14:58 |
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| kynde | Does the location widget work on N900 on others? mine worked yesterday but can | 14:59 |
| kynde | 't download maps today... :( | 14:59 |
| lardman | what do you mean? | 15:00 |
| lardman | the desktop widget? | 15:00 |
| kynde | yes, that one. | 15:00 |
| lardman | it just shows your location | 15:00 |
| julianoliver | hmm.. N900 does seem snappier after the firmware upgrade. | 15:00 |
| TomaszD | because it is | 15:00 |
| julianoliver | let's see if mounting now works.. | 15:01 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: here? | 15:01 |
| kynde | lardman: I know, but I haven't gotten it to start all day. I start it, it tries to do something (no maps visible) and then complains about it not being able to download map data. | 15:01 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: complain here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35136 | 15:01 |
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| lardman | kynde: ah, probably a problem with the Nokia server then | 15:01 |
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| kynde | lardman: ack, I'll wait and see... | 15:02 |
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| lardman | so would e.g. phonegap be able to display google maps? | 15:04 |
| * lardman not being a web dev at all | 15:04 | |
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| fnordianslip | any irc clients yet for n900 ? | 15:07 |
| lardman | xirc? | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | xchat | 15:07 |
| lardman | ah, that's the one, knew it had an x in it ;) | 15:07 |
| fnordianslip | are they in the repos? | 15:07 |
| julianoliver | the best IRC client, irssi, is available. | 15:08 |
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| fnordianslip | julianoliver: must be in testing then, as i can't see it with an apt-cache search | 15:09 |
| julianoliver | fnordianslip: ugh, my mistake. os2006: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/irssi/ | 15:10 |
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| julianoliver | fnordianslip: it was here apparently http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29232 | 15:11 |
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| julianoliver | fnordianslip: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/i/irssi/ | 15:12 |
| fnordianslip | julianoliver: tnx for info.currently having problems with app man not updating from downloads.maemo.nokia.com repos | 15:13 |
| julianoliver | right. | 15:13 |
| julianoliver | the repos have problems, intermittently. the well-known 401 error usually. | 15:14 |
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| wazd | New phone, new bios, beautiful day) | 15:15 |
| fnordianslip | ok. i can't update either Nokia Applications or Nokia System Software Updates, and I can't install the mirror app or Documents To Go. is that the usual repo problem at work? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: bios repair worked? | 15:15 |
| julianoliver | does the N900 always need to be powered off before mounting under linux? | 15:15 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yep | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: congrats :) | 15:15 |
| julianoliver | simply plugging it in gives http://pastebin.com/d4ee27f06 | 15:15 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: they told me so :D | 15:16 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: heading back home | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | julianoliver: did you set it to mass storage mode? | 15:16 |
| julianoliver | Stskeeps: i've had no such option/prompt. | 15:16 |
| wazd | 5130 is damn loud phone | 15:17 |
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| Lorthirk | great, i have to return my phone | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | julianoliver: on the n900? really? :P | 15:17 |
| julianoliver | Stskeeps: where can i find the dialog/setting? | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | julianoliver: it appears when plugging into usb | 15:17 |
| julianoliver | Stskeeps: hmm.. not here. | 15:17 |
| julianoliver | i will try a reboot. just upgraded the firmware. | 15:17 |
| Lorthirk | julianoliver: upgraded to which version? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | you might need to reflash mmc oo?too | 15:18 |
| hrw | zap: ubifs is very nice replacement for jffs2 | 15:18 |
| julianoliver | Lorthirk: RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 15:18 |
| Lorthirk | so the one i have | 15:19 |
| Lorthirk | thanks anyway | 15:19 |
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| * Lorthirk feels REALLY angry. | 15:19 | |
| Stskeeps | someone should make a penguin punching bag | 15:19 |
| julianoliver | Lorthirk: are you having issues with this version? | 15:19 |
| Lorthirk | no | 15:19 |
| Lorthirk | i'm having issues with headphones | 15:19 |
| Lorthirk | it seems that the only thing i can do is return the phone | 15:20 |
| Lorthirk | and get another one who knows when | 15:20 |
| julianoliver | Lorthirk: what is happening? | 15:20 |
| julianoliver | (or /not/ happening) | 15:20 |
| Lorthirk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35161 | 15:20 |
| * julianoliver clicks | 15:20 | |
| julianoliver | Lorthirk: odd | 15:20 |
| Lorthirk | really | 15:20 |
| Lorthirk | as said in the topic i can't find who to blame | 15:21 |
| Lorthirk | the headphones, the phone... | 15:21 |
| julianoliver | aside from the headphones, does audio function normally? | 15:22 |
| julianoliver | (mic also) | 15:22 |
| Lorthirk | yes | 15:22 |
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| Lorthirk | i can hear people talking and they can hear me | 15:22 |
| PaulFertser | Lorthirk: what do you mean "the phone doesn't recognise"? | 15:22 |
| Lorthirk | mmmh | 15:22 |
| Lorthirk | i have a theory... | 15:22 |
| PaulFertser | Lorthirk: do you expect to see an input event on plugging or what? | 15:22 |
| julianoliver | PaulFertser: read his post.. | 15:23 |
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| Lorthirk | well, when plugging a working headphone i can see the icon in the status bar | 15:23 |
| Lorthirk | julianoliver: can you point me to the download location of the file you said before? | 15:23 |
| PaulFertser | julianoliver: i did. "the phone simply doesn't recognize them". That doesn't make sense to me kernel-wise. | 15:23 |
| Lorthirk | maybe reflashing could help me | 15:23 |
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| Lorthirk | PaulFertser: i'm speaking of ui | 15:23 |
| PaulFertser | Lorthirk: i think debugging UI before making sure HW and the kernel work is mostly useless. | 15:24 |
| julianoliver | Lorthirk: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 15:24 |
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| PaulFertser | but it's my very humble opinion. | 15:24 |
| Lorthirk | PaulFertser: where can i see kernel outputs? | 15:24 |
| julianoliver | Stskeeps: after reflash and reboot, the prompted mounting works as you describe. | 15:25 |
| PaulFertser | Lorthirk: dmesg? And input devices report events via /dev/input/event*, you can decypher the output with input-events tool, usually comes in input-utils package or similar. | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: and mine. | 15:25 |
| Lorthirk | ok, i'll tell you in seconds | 15:25 |
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| Lorthirk | PaulFertser: headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected | 15:28 |
| PaulFertser | Lorthirk: nice, so it's actually recognised by the kernel. | 15:29 |
| PaulFertser | Lorthirk: is it the same when you plug (semi-)working iphone HP? | 15:29 |
| Lorthirk | indeed this is when i insert the semi-working iphone hp | 15:29 |
| Lorthirk | unfortunately now i'm at work | 15:29 |
| Lorthirk | and i'll be at home in 5 hours | 15:30 |
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| lardman | which app was using a Qt wrapped web runtime? | 15:32 |
| jrocha | hey guys, can you confirm that you have python-gobject available to be installed in the N900? | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | ovi maps? | 15:32 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: no, a Garage project, but which is hosted externally | 15:33 |
| jrocha | I updated my firmware and after that it was no longer available on the reps | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:33 |
| lizardo | jrocha: yes I have :) | 15:33 |
| lardman | I can't remember what it was, but it piqued my interest because of the web runtime | 15:33 |
| lizardo | jrocha: which repos you have enabled? | 15:33 |
| Shapeshifter | yaay, just ordered my n900. | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: welcome to your new state of mind - frothing insanity | 15:34 |
| jrocha | extras, extras-testin, estras-devel, apart from the original ones | 15:34 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: xD I'm prepared to wait until january. | 15:34 |
| Shapeshifter | But I expect it 15. of dec. | 15:34 |
| julianoliver | Stskeeps: you say that now.. then comes the fever. | 15:34 |
| lizardo | jrocha: me too... and what about "apt-cache policy python-gobject" ? | 15:34 |
| Shapeshifter | if I'm lucky 1. of dec. | 15:34 |
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| Arkenoi | active xmpp client over wifi and sip registration == 12 hours standby for n900. oops. e90 lasted 2 days (though not *every* xmpp client could preserve battery, but nokia conversations could) | 15:35 |
| lizardo | jrocha: BTW python-gobject is very core package , I think pygtk , python-hildon , all depend on it | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | Arkenoi: report it? | 15:36 |
| jrocha | lizardo, ok, let me check it | 15:37 |
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| Arkenoi | not sure where does this problem belong to. have anyone tried without xmpp, just sip? | 15:37 |
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| jrocha | lizardo, 2.16.1 is the candidate, there's none installed | 15:40 |
| lardman | ah, Macuco | 15:40 |
| lizardo | jrocha: yes, but are you nable to install it ? | 15:40 |
| jrocha | lizardo, I know it is a core for those packages and I noticed it when I couldn't restore gPodder | 15:40 |
| Shapeshifter | koffice is in the repos, right? | 15:41 |
| lizardo | khertan: BTW I couldn't reproduce the python-gdata installation issue, but I think the problem was because it is manually optified... I think its maintainer needs to de-optify it now that pymaemo-optify takes care of that automatically | 15:41 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: File it under | 15:41 |
| RST38h | Messaging | 15:41 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Also there was someone from Collabora at this channel, you can complain directly to that guy | 15:42 |
| jrocha | lizardo, yes I am, I just wanted to know how/why this failed | 15:42 |
| jrocha | to be done automatically | 15:43 |
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| lizardo | jrocha: hmmm, you mean through HAM ? | 15:43 |
| jrocha | it could be a trouble for new users | 15:43 |
| jrocha | yup, I tried restoring my apps and gPodder failed everytime I tried to restore or install it | 15:43 |
| lizardo | jrocha: I remembered that HAM had some nasty bug that didn't resolve depencies properly for some python packages | 15:44 |
| khertan | lizardo: probably | 15:44 |
| lizardo | jrocha: even though apt-get could do it :( | 15:44 |
| lizardo | jrocha: are you able to reproduce it ?> | 15:44 |
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| khertan | lizardo: so you suggest to do not optify python libs ? | 15:44 |
| PaulFertser | BTW, what kernel does N900 use? | 15:44 |
| lizardo | jrocha: if so, we can triage that HAM issue once and for all (it seems a small number of people is being affected) | 15:45 |
| jrocha | lizardo, it installed through apt-get but from the app-mgr it wasn't installable | 15:45 |
| lizardo | khertan: yes, everything under /usr/lib/python2.5 is now automatically optified | 15:45 |
| jrocha | lizardo, I need to work now but I'll mention that to my HAM colleagues :D | 15:45 |
| linfl683 | Hi, when using python on the maemo... How do I determine my (external) ip adress? | 15:45 |
| khertan | linfl683: like on other language | 15:45 |
| khertan | lizardo: ok thx ... | 15:46 |
| jrocha | lizardo, so, I'll let the HAM team knows about it, thank you | 15:46 |
| khertan | linfl683: a simple solution is to get the content of checkmyip.org with a http request | 15:46 |
| linfl683 | khertan: and how's that? ;P | 15:46 |
| lizardo | jrocha: ok, I think andre__ was one of those which reported a similar issue to me before (involving python-xml) but we didn't went further to investigate why apt-get resolved the dependencies but HAM not ) | 15:46 |
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| linfl683 | khertan: y, but i don't have internet acces | 15:47 |
| linfl683 | khertan: only on LAN | 15:47 |
| andre__ | lizardo, which exact package? | 15:47 |
| khertan | linfl683: ? and you have an external ip ? | 15:47 |
| khertan | it s an internal one so ... | 15:47 |
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| linfl683 | khertan: y i mean like not localhost, my regular ip | 15:47 |
| andre__ | ah... "h-a-m states "missing python2.5-xml dependency" ( but apt-get works)"? | 15:47 |
| lizardo | andre__: I think it was some package you tried to install and it complained about python-xml (I might be wrong though, it was a long time ago) | 15:47 |
| lizardo | andre__: yes :) | 15:47 |
| lizardo | andre__: I think it is a similar issue of that jrocha had, just for another package | 15:48 |
| andre__ | yes, that internal ticket is still open and unresolved. hmm, there's no public report for that. anybody willing to create it? :-) | 15:48 |
| lizardo | andre__: jrocha promised to do it later... riiight? :D | 15:49 |
| khertan | linfl683: http://theclimber.fritalk.com/post/2008/12/09/Python-shell-:-extract-the-local-IP-from-interface | 15:49 |
| andre__ | jrocha, lizardo: int-136204 for those having access to internal bugtracker | 15:49 |
| andre__ | jrocha, so gpodder is also affected by this? which exact dependency? | 15:49 |
| jrocha | andre__, please submit the bug if you can, I cannot do it right now | 15:49 |
| jrocha | python-gobject | 15:49 |
| jrocha | at least for me.. | 15:50 |
| lizardo | andre__, jrocha : I have a feeling that it is something related to the Provides/Replaces/Conflicts fields | 15:50 |
| jrocha | and it happened after trying to restore the apps I had after upgrading the firmware | 15:50 |
| linfl683 | khertan: thanks, y was thinking of doing something like that | 15:50 |
| jrocha | lizardo, probably | 15:50 |
| andre__ | workaround: use apt-get... | 15:51 |
| khertan | andre__: yep gpodder is also affected | 15:51 |
| lizardo | andre__: yes, but for most users it will be too hard :) | 15:51 |
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| andre__ | sigh | 15:51 |
| andre__ | sure, i know | 15:51 |
| andre__ | problem is that I've pinged two times already and developers ignore it (old problem, I know) ;-) | 15:51 |
| lizardo | jrocha: can you talk to the HAM team and push them more ? I can provide a simpler testcase if that is better (instead of a "flash device and try to restore gpodder" is to big to debug) | 15:52 |
| lizardo | s/is to big/if that is too big/ | 15:53 |
| infobot | lizardo meant: jrocha: can you talk to the HAM team and push them more ? I can provide a simpler testcase if that is better (instead of a "flash device and try to restore gpodder" if that is too big to debug) | 15:53 |
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| Lorthirk | julianoliver: have you had success in reflashing? | 16:00 |
| julianoliver | Lorthirk: yes, as per these instructions: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:02 |
| Lorthirk | are you on linux? | 16:02 |
| julianoliver | yes, Debian. | 16:03 |
| lizardo | is it just me or repository.maemo.org is terribly slow these days ? :( | 16:03 |
| julianoliver | i used the Debian package of the flasher rather than the tarball. | 16:03 |
| Arkenoi | how much standby time you guys could get n900 with at least one program that uses active wifi connection? i'd like to know what can i expect if there are no bugs that affect battery consumption | 16:03 |
| julianoliver | lizardo: yes, it's terrible. | 16:03 |
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| lizardo | and now I'm getting : Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/maemo/dists/fremantle/sdk/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 16:03 |
| lizardo | with just a "apt-get update" | 16:04 |
| Lorthirk | i'm under macosx... but istructions doesn't work -_- | 16:04 |
| julianoliver | lizardo: it's common. maemo.org server admins weren't prepared for Maemo's new found fame, it seems. | 16:04 |
| lizardo | hmm, although I see the problem now :) | 16:05 |
| jjo | lizardo: you've got one extra maemo on your path | 16:05 |
| lizardo | but it is still slow :/ | 16:05 |
| julianoliver | Lorthirk: i'd search around in the forums for other OS X users. | 16:05 |
| lizardo | jjo: yeah, my bad | 16:05 |
| julianoliver | lizardo: haha your problem is PEBKAC | 16:05 |
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| aol | hmmm I installed openssh client + server on my n900... It is connected to wlan and I can ping it... and netstat says ssh port is listening | 16:11 |
| aol | but I cant connect to it | 16:11 |
| aol | ssh works locally to the public ip | 16:11 |
| aol | but not from my pc | 16:11 |
| * VDVsx yawns | 16:11 | |
| aol | anyone run in to same? I'd like to use the ssh for developing | 16:11 |
| crashanddie_ | aol: it's not a public IP | 16:12 |
| VDVsx | aol, works for me | 16:12 |
| VDVsx | I used my network IP of course | 16:12 |
| julianoliver | aol: works here too. | 16:12 |
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| julianoliver | aol: try a 'netstat -tupa | grep sshd' on the device. | 16:12 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: is there a way to change charset in xterm? i'd like to have koi8-r there as well | 16:12 |
| crashanddie_ | gents, I think he's talking about the 3g IP | 16:12 |
| julianoliver | aol: oopps, you said you'd tried this. | 16:13 |
| VDVsx | oh | 16:13 |
| julianoliver | crashanddie_: ahh, that again. | 16:13 |
| crashanddie_ | indeed | 16:13 |
| julianoliver | aol: no, it's probably NAT'd to hell by your ISP. | 16:13 |
| VDVsx | yup | 16:13 |
| VDVsx | I've the same issue with one of the carriers here | 16:13 |
| aol | julianoliver: I'm on WLAN | 16:13 |
| crashanddie_ | aol: 3G or wifi? | 16:13 |
| VDVsx | aol, pc and device on WLAN ? | 16:14 |
| glass_ | aol: does the wlan have client seperation (or the same feat with some other name) | 16:14 |
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| *** crashanddie_ changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | http://maemo.nokia.com | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo-Barcelona Long Weekend - Registrations open - http://tinyurl.com/ydv6p62 | Scratchbox + Xephyr is not an emulator, don't expect a terminal or browser | You can't SSH to your N900 over 3G!" | 16:14 | |
| julianoliver | crashanddie_: hehe | 16:14 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, yes you can :p | 16:14 |
| VDVsx | that's depends on your carrier | 16:15 |
| crashanddie_ | VDVsx: some people might, but for 99% of people the answer will be "NO" | 16:15 |
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| VDVsx | crashanddie, true :p | 16:15 |
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| aol | right. | 16:15 |
| julianoliver | aol: so you have the N900 and another computer on a LAN. can you ping the client? | 16:15 |
| aol | my laptop was connected both to ethernet and WLAN, so... | 16:15 |
| julianoliver | s/client/N900 | 16:16 |
| aol | now it works when I disconnected the ethernet, thanks for tips | 16:16 |
| crashanddie_ | aol: do you mean "wifi" or "3g"? | 16:16 |
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| aol | WLAN == wifi | 16:16 |
| crashanddie_ | aol: you'd be amazed at the confusion there is regarding the terms, hence the clarification I requested | 16:16 |
| aol | it works now, I'm happy! | 16:16 |
| julianoliver | aol: sounds like your router partitions clients between ethernet and wireless connections. | 16:17 |
| aol | julianoliver: yep, it's the company network, so does not suprise me. I forgot that I plugged in the ethernet | 16:17 |
| julianoliver | aol: client separation at the router is a common security measure. | 16:17 |
| javispedro | aw, the topic is getting long | 16:17 |
| crashanddie_ | aol: if the wireless has a different network address than the ethernet one, you can add a route so that it goes through your wireless card | 16:18 |
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| Arkenoi | how do i get nokia messaging for n900? nokia says i should register my phone and wait for sms with link, but seems that it cannot send me sms | 16:21 |
| vesa | javispedro: got it to work (well not me, but a colleague). thanks for the help =) | 16:21 |
| javispedro | np :) | 16:22 |
| vesa | javispedro: you wouldn't know of any resource listing the speed of different operations in shaders on the n900? | 16:22 |
| vesa | atleast multitexturing seems to be a bit on the slow side | 16:22 |
| javispedro | nope, even though it's a standard sgx 350 | 16:23 |
| vesa | 530 =) | 16:24 |
| julianoliver | vesa: i'd like such a list also | 16:25 |
| vesa | yep. it's all good and well doing stuff that'll look cool but if it's at 5 fps then there's not much point | 16:25 |
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| lardman|home | jeremiah: you about? | 16:26 |
| lardman|home | jeremiah: I have a packaging question for you.... :) | 16:26 |
| ensi | anyone know if it's possible to run valgrind on N900 ? | 16:26 |
| mikhas_ | ensi, use the maemo debug scripts? | 16:26 |
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| mikhas_ | oh, n900 | 16:27 |
| mikhas_ | sorry | 16:27 |
| javispedro | valgrind for arm wasn't done yet. | 16:27 |
| ensi | ah its not available for this architecture | 16:27 |
| mikhas_ | I was thinking sbox, for whatever reason | 16:27 |
| ensi | so anyone got ideas how to "profile" an application on the device? I'm interested getting some wall times, how long it takes to open some certain windows etc. | 16:27 |
| javispedro | oprofile is available | 16:28 |
| javispedro | and gprof should work | 16:28 |
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| * andre__ realizes that he should split up just another product in maemo.org Bugzilla into more subcomponents. darn :-/ | 16:31 | |
| frals | sounds like fun | 16:31 |
| andre__ | well, at least not a big one | 16:31 |
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| tbf | andre__: now having SQL access would be fun | 16:33 |
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| andre__ | tbf, I'm always afraid of triggering side effects :) | 16:34 |
| jeremiah | lardman|home: Hello! | 16:35 |
| lardman|home | hey | 16:35 |
| jeremiah | :) | 16:35 |
| lardman|home | zbar requires python to build some wrappers, but it's also pulled in as a runtime dep | 16:35 |
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| lardman|home | how can I stop it being a runtime dep, as many people won't want to use it with python | 16:36 |
| lardman|home | ? | 16:36 |
| jeremiah | You can specify it as build time with Build-Indep | 16:36 |
| jeremiah | I'll see if I can show you the relevant debian doc. . . | 16:36 |
| lardman|home | thanks | 16:37 |
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| lardman|home | to other people, those who know about DBus and libosso specifically, how can I send a "broadcast" message to say "A barcode is ready for you to handle in your apps"? | 16:38 |
| lardman|home | looks like osso_rpc_run() is aimed at a single specific application with known params | 16:38 |
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| jeremiah | lardman|home: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-sourcebinarydeps | 16:41 |
| lardman|home | thanks jeremiah :) | 16:41 |
| jeremiah | Sure. | 16:41 |
| jeremiah | That link is a bit opaque - as free software documentation can be. :/ | 16:41 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 16:41 |
| jeremiah | But it ought to provide a way for you to specify that you want python at build time and not runtime | 16:42 |
| lardman|home | jeremiah: I'll doubtless bug you later then ;) | 16:42 |
| jeremiah | (If that is in fact what you want.) | 16:42 |
| lardman|home | yep | 16:42 |
| jeremiah | lardman|home: Feel free. :) | 16:42 |
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| lardman|home | come on all you libosso/DBus fiends, heads above the parapet | 16:44 |
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| ideamonk | I've been trying to setup maemo 5.0 sdk on Ubuntu 9.10, and am stuck, everything installed properly, but there's some glitch running xephyr to load the gui. Xephyr log - http://paste.pocoo.org/show/153060/ scratchbox log - http://paste.pocoo.org/show/153059/ | 16:47 |
| ideamonk | I followed these instructions - http://is.gd/545i1 are there some changes in steps while installing maemo 5 on Ubuntu ? | 16:48 |
| javispedro | I must admit I am attracted to the Emblaze Else | 16:48 |
| adeus | the first one relates to the X auth | 16:48 |
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| javispedro | since they seem not to be total idiots when it comes to efficiency of use. | 16:49 |
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| lardman|home | looks quite cool | 16:50 |
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| julianoliver | ideamonk: this worked for me just fine on Debian Lenny: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 16:53 |
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| aol | hmmm only 65mb left in / | 16:54 |
| aol | no more than that for extra apps? | 16:54 |
| julianoliver | ideamonk: perhaps check that config/dbus for the security policies mentioned? | 16:54 |
| zaheerm | thp, you thought of splitting out your download manager code and have a dbus activatable download manager so other apps can use it? | 16:55 |
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| ideamonk | julianoliver, I went through the same, I'm looking into config... | 16:55 |
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| adeus | ideamonk, for the first error, find /etc/dbus-1/system.d/xorg-server.conf | 16:57 |
| adeus | in there, add <allow own="org.x.config.display2"/> | 16:57 |
| lardman|home | hmm, is a signal simply a method that doesn't have a return type? | 16:57 |
| ideamonk | adeus, oh that file is missing, im making one right away | 16:58 |
| adeus | mmm | 16:58 |
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| adeus | it should be there | 16:58 |
| adeus | in the hsot | 16:58 |
| adeus | host | 16:58 |
| ideamonk | adeus, oh on the host ! | 16:58 |
| adeus | there are similar lines like that there | 16:59 |
| adeus | add after them | 16:59 |
| ideamonk | adeus, yes | 16:59 |
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| khertan | <advert> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 require test for QA validation ... Thanks for your help.</advert> | 17:00 |
| adeus | you'll probably need to restart X to put that into effect | 17:00 |
| ideamonk | adeus, will I have to restart X... yeah got it :) | 17:01 |
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| Proteous | the great gooble roast 09 is on | 17:11 |
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| zaheerm | Khertan, if you test zoutube and vote i'll test pygtkeditor and vote ;) | 17:14 |
| Khertan | lol | 17:14 |
| crashanddie_ | Khertan: installing! | 17:14 |
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| zaheerm | something deleted my application catalogues from app manager! | 17:16 |
| zaheerm | all of them | 17:16 |
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| Khertan | zaheerm: it s not deleted ... | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | zaheem: happened to me when / was full | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | they weren't really deleted | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | app manager just couldn't load them or something like that | 17:16 |
| Khertan | but i got the problem two time | 17:16 |
| Khertan | just restart | 17:16 |
| zaheerm | aah yes | 17:17 |
| ideamonk | adeus, that didn't work :( qemu still ends with a segmentation fault... | 17:17 |
| Khertan | when / is full | 17:17 |
| zaheerm | the file still has them in | 17:17 |
| zaheerm | i have 25MB free | 17:17 |
| Khertan | zaheerm: zoutube isn't optified yet ? | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | hmm strange | 17:17 |
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| ideamonk | adeus, is it common to come across problems with qemu and armel(target) | 17:17 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, it is only in /opt ! | 17:17 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, what tells you it isn't in /opt ? | 17:17 |
| Khertan | lost 8Mb on / | 17:18 |
| Khertan | after instal | 17:18 |
| Khertan | l | 17:18 |
| zaheerm | aah | 17:18 |
| Khertan | maybe some depandency | 17:18 |
| zaheerm | that would be one of the deps | 17:18 |
| zaheerm | probably python related | 17:18 |
| Khertan | i don't think, as i use pymaemo-optify :) | 17:18 |
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| zaheerm | Khertan, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg is optified the only other one that is a dep is gstreamer0.10-plugins-flv which takes up a few KB | 17:20 |
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| zaheerm | it does run some tracker stuff to register video/x-flv as a video | 17:20 |
| Khertan | hum ... maybe something else | 17:21 |
| Khertan | as it comes back and your file are optified | 17:21 |
| zaheerm | could be the apt cache! | 17:21 |
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| zaheerm | it keeps packages downloaded | 17:22 |
| zaheerm | only deletes them after a certain time | 17:22 |
| Khertan | zaheerm: ok ... works well | 17:22 |
| * Khertan like the simple ui | 17:22 | |
| Khertan | sound doesn't work the first time ... just level down and up make it work ... (but maybe comming from the video) | 17:23 |
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| zaheerm | that is probably a bug lower down in the stack... | 17:24 |
| zaheerm | to search, just type btw | 17:24 |
| zaheerm | on the front screen | 17:24 |
| Khertan | if only i can vote | 17:24 |
| zaheerm | installing pygtkeditor now | 17:24 |
| Khertan | slow maemo.org | 17:25 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:25 |
| zaheerm | yah i empathise | 17:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Woo! Shipped Item/s: Qty/Description: 1 / Nokia N900 (SKU# 10208380) Qty/Description: 1 / Nokia Battery BL-5J (SKU# 3956679) | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | when did you order? | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | 20 oct | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | and from where? | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | nokia.co.uk | 17:26 |
| Khertan | it take me 3 hours to try to promote my package | 17:26 |
| zaheerm | SpeedEvil, they were out of stock when i ordered | 17:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | jaem: ok, i'm pretty sure it was my fault, assuming semantics of cp which cp didn't have :( | 17:27 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, the icon that is a set of cogs doesn't do anything | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, fixed in current local package :) | 17:27 |
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| ideamonk | adeus, Known Issues says - " * Armel target does not bring up the UI framework ", is it the reason behind http://paste.pocoo.org/show/153059/ ? | 17:27 |
| Khertan | cogs ? | 17:27 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, looks like settings | 17:27 |
| Khertan | the last one on the right ? | 17:28 |
| zaheerm | yep | 17:28 |
| Khertan | ah ;) ... it s the execute command | 17:28 |
| Khertan | did you have an existing script to execute ? | 17:28 |
| zaheerm | no | 17:28 |
| zaheerm | i didn't know it was execute | 17:28 |
| zaheerm | will it execute python code? | 17:28 |
| Khertan | yep | 17:29 |
| Khertan | by launching an xterm | 17:29 |
| Khertan | so you can see error :) | 17:29 |
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| Khertan | require that you save the script before ... maybe i should put a warning ... message or something like taht | 17:30 |
| javispedro | today's dealbreaker: Bounce Evolution's framerate! | 17:30 |
| Khertan | javispedro: ? | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: oh brother | 17:30 |
| lbt | javispedro: let me guess .... tmo? | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | "good enough" | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 17:30 |
| javispedro | tmo, yes. | 17:30 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't go there | 17:30 | |
| lbt | heh .... | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you shouldn't either! | 17:30 |
| * javispedro is starting to become sick of this daily games. | 17:30 | |
| zaheerm | Khertan, I like the editor, nice..voting | 17:31 |
| Khertan | thx | 17:32 |
| Khertan | zaheerm: the direct link : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/pygtkeditor/3.0.0-5 | 17:32 |
| Khertan | it ll be faster than trying to browse package | 17:32 |
| Khertan | zoutube page is still loading :) | 17:32 |
| javispedro | what will tomorrow's dealbreaker be, ladies and gentlemen? Place your bets already, because THIS ... IS ... TMO! | 17:32 |
| crashanddie_ | I thought christaexport had been banned from tmo? | 17:33 |
| Khertan | javispedro: look my answer | 17:33 |
| javispedro | Khertan: hehe | 17:33 |
| crashanddie_ | Khertan: link? | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: isn't that God you're thinking of? :P | 17:34 |
| Khertan | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35157&page=2 | 17:34 |
| VRe | Hmm.. I managed to fill up / just by installing stuff from extras, any handy oneliner to find out the guilty apps? | 17:34 |
| Firebird | :o, so much misinformation on TMO now... | 17:34 |
| Khertan | VRe: http://khertan.net/2009/10/not-enought-space-on-device/ | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | VRe: if you used anything beyond extras such as extras-devel or extras-testing, it's your fault :P but there's some tools, yeah | 17:35 |
| Khertan | maybe i should do a real app with an interface to found guilty apps | 17:35 |
| Khertan | or does there is already one ? | 17:35 |
| VRe | I have used on desktop but can not remember names tho | 17:36 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps: I wish God would ban christaexport from life | 17:36 |
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| VRe | Khertan: Yeah, I would love one.. now I have to figure out how to move that to the device - thats why I was hoping oneliner :) | 17:37 |
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| Khertan | VRe: use ssh :) | 17:37 |
| VRe | Khertan: can't install it, root full.. | 17:38 |
| VRe | "I see a lot of keypresses" | 17:38 |
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| Khertan | VRe: oh ... ssh is THE first thing to install :) | 17:39 |
| VRe | I was going in order from top | 17:39 |
| Khertan | VRe: did you have installed rootsh ? | 17:39 |
| VRe | of course | 17:39 |
| Khertan | open xterm | 17:40 |
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| Khertan | sudo gainroot | 17:40 |
| wazd | Daaaamn | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: doesn't work still? | 17:40 |
| wazd | Guys, need a little help :) | 17:40 |
| Khertan | VRe: apt-get purge | 17:41 |
| wazd | I forgot how tto blug in power buttons'n'stuff :D | 17:41 |
| Khertan | and look if it makes some place | 17:41 |
| Khertan | VRe: df -h | 17:41 |
| wazd | Plug* | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: the manual should show the pins you have to put them on | 17:41 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I don't have one :( | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | n810? | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | or n800 | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: could you grab me the name of the board again? | 17:42 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: can you check it on the site and give me direct link to the pic? | 17:42 |
| wazd | Ah, sure | 17:42 |
| wazd | Ga-m57sli-s4 | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | right, hang on | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | and you owe me a finished theme if this works ;) | 17:43 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: :D | 17:43 |
| VRe | Khertan: I have done those already.. thats why I need to find the guilty - and flush the ubifs | 17:44 |
| wazd | 5130 is ohmygodsoloud | 17:44 |
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| felbutss | :( sso depressed. just got my new car charger and screen protector in from ebay | 17:44 |
| wazd | Checked n900 a bit more today | 17:44 |
| Khertan | VRe: mplayer installed ? | 17:45 |
| felbutss | and i tryed a different batter again :( | 17:45 |
| wazd | Thhey had it with uncalibrated screen | 17:45 |
| felbutss | lucky guys u r | 17:45 |
| wazd | Noobs :) | 17:45 |
| felbutss | *battery | 17:45 |
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| wazd | Like the material of the back and keyboard | 17:46 |
| Khertan | zaheerm: ouch ... maemo.org is still validating my vote ... 30 min :) | 17:46 |
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| VRe | Khertan: no mplayer | 17:47 |
| * brbrbr warmly greet anyone | 17:47 | |
| wazd | 15 devices sold on meet-up, 80 devices sold yesterday | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: 125kb too big? | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | very detailed | 17:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: whatever, hit me) | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/wazdconn.png | 17:48 |
| vesa | javispedro: know about texture compression, ie. what types are supported on the n900? | 17:48 |
| vesa | i'm assuming the same pvrtc works as on the iphone seeing as they run the same chip | 17:49 |
| fuz_ | hi skskeep, i'm the guy with bootmenu problem :) | 17:49 |
| VRe | Is bounce non-optified? I think there was such a talk before.. | 17:49 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, mine has been going for a while too | 17:49 |
| Khertan | zaheerm: lol ... I ve voted two time on maemo.org/packages for zoutube ... there is clearly a bug :) | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: heya , could you answer the qs in my post? | 17:49 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: thanks | 17:49 |
| xorAxAx | what does it mean to optify? | 17:49 |
| javispedro | vesa: pvr is supported for sure. as for the rest, GL_COMPRESSED_TEXTURE_FORMATS. | 17:50 |
| vesa | is there a tool in the sdk for conversion? | 17:50 |
| javispedro | nope, get the imagination sdk | 17:50 |
| vesa | mmkay | 17:50 |
| fuz_ | yes it shutdowns event when i select internal flash | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: you press the enter button? | 17:52 |
| dmj726 | timeless_mbp: where is the gecko source for maemo kept? | 17:52 |
| fuz_ | yes | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | dmj: meaning? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: interesting | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: how long time do you wait until this happens? | 17:52 |
| dmj726 | I would like to take a look at the source for the zoom gesture. | 17:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/microb-engine/ has the sources for microb | 17:53 |
| fuz_ | sts: i can come back here in 2 hours with the device if you want | 17:53 |
| dmj726 | thanks I was having a hard time finding it. | 17:53 |
| fuz_ | so i can give more precise answers | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: the irritating part about debugging this is that it's best done with a serial console :) | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, i'm wrong | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | gestures are in one of the browser closed bits | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | but the original gesture impl that you could consider as a reference impl is a firefox addon | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there an easy installable package with the source of 'everything' buildable on the device? | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | if that's what actually interests you | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: if you write nokia a source request | 17:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: you want to rsync mxr.maemo.org? | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | probably not easy, but right | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:54 |
| fuz_ | if it means running all commands step by step in a console, i can probably do it | 17:54 |
| dmj726 | I'm looking for the swirly gesture | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: could you do me a favour and reinstall bootmenu from the url to make sure it's the absolute right one? running install bootmenu | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | just so we have that scenario out of the way | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | dmj726: yeah, the reference impl is a js based ff addon | 17:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: 'everything' = everything minus closed-source | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: formally you can write a letter to nokia asking for it | 17:55 |
| fuz_ | sks: not just now, but later ok | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | or i could probably arrange an rsync | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: right | 17:55 |
| wazd | Erm, positive is white or color?) | 17:55 |
| penguinbait | I would love to test bootmenu on the n900 for you | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i just grabbed the sources from the repo | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | apt-get is your friend | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | penguinbait: got one yet? :P | 17:56 |
| penguinbait | just send me your n900 | 17:56 |
| penguinbait | ;p | 17:56 |
| fuz_ | i'll get back in about 2 hours. thanks :) | 17:56 |
| penguinbait | happy thanksgiving all | 17:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: they have zero bugs :) -- talking about a slow pong :) | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: power button is "just" a shortcut anyway.. | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: see which one works :P | 17:57 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, who? | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | bingo | 17:58 |
| wazd | Oh yeah | 17:58 |
| andre__ | ah | 17:58 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 17:59 |
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| wazd | Looks like it works) | 17:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya) | 18:00 |
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| wazd | FUCK! | 18:01 |
| wazd | NO WAY | 18:01 |
| * timeless_mbp looks for qwerty | 18:02 | |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ? | 18:02 |
| wazd | It stopped working again | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | turned off? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | did you connect the fans and all that jazz? | 18:03 |
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| wazd | No, it worked normally, then I've rebooted and here we go again | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | no signal? | 18:04 |
| wazd | Yep | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | was HD connected? | 18:04 |
| wazd | Doesn't matter | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | in this case it does.. virtual dual bios picks up a bios from the HD | 18:05 |
| wazd | It booted first time, and then something killed bios again | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | which is how it works :P | 18:06 |
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| RST38h | what the hell are you booting, anyway? | 18:07 |
| RST38h | Is it some Mac? | 18:07 |
| julianoliver | should 'scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7' remedy the "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs." when compiling on FREMANTLE_ARMEL target? i don't see a 'scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-armel' | 18:08 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah you want arm7 | 18:08 |
| julianoliver | my program compiles fine under FREMANTLE_X86 | 18:08 |
| julianoliver | timeless_mbp: cheers | 18:08 |
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| julianoliver | will dig deeper as to the problem. | 18:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: ordinary pc | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll probably also want to partially reset your target | 18:09 |
| * timeless_mbp hates targets | 18:09 | |
| julianoliver | ok, i'll try reseting | 18:09 |
| wazd | Fuck, what the fuck is going on | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i suggest creating a dummy target with the right compiler and no files | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | then copy over the config bits you need | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | and then delete the dummy target :) | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | because i don't trust scratchbox :) | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i think the so-called bios recovery grabbed the copy from the harddisk and overwrote your mainboard bios | 18:10 |
| julianoliver | timeless_mbp: i like the /idea/ of scratchbox. is the implementation i'm not yet sure about. | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, i'm sure i don't like scratchbox :) | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | sb2 i dislike less | 18:10 |
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| wazd | What am I supposed to do now | 18:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: urgh... | 18:11 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: was the harddisc connected up? | 18:12 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: first time - yes | 18:13 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: now - no | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: then that's why your bios got hosed probably | 18:13 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: maybe | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | when it booted first time,it noticed there was a differece between harddisc copy and the one in your bios | 18:14 |
| AakashPatel | yo | 18:14 |
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| Stskeeps | and coped in the harddisc copy. | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:14 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: but what should I do now :D | 18:14 |
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| pablo_ | QParallelAnimationGroup does not have clearAnimations() ??? I used the HEAD commit bcac9bdb88a8eddc23e490a1ce7c5e5d5fcab120 | 18:15 |
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| wazd | Fuck... | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: i would get bios refixed, and use another harddisk for booting or attempt to remove that hidden bios | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | the harddisk you have has a broken BIOS on it, so | 18:17 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: that's quite a complex solution) | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: yes, but it's the only way i can see around the issue | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: at what stage did you shut off your bios? | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | err, computer | 18:19 |
| TomaszD | wazd, can you make a 26x26 icon for my little ac3-support package? | 18:19 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, on second boot | 18:19 |
| wazd | TomaszD: no | 18:19 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp: http://www.maemofrance.fr/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Nokia_N900009.jpg <--- nice :) | 18:20 |
| wazd | TomaszD: my pc is dead. Again | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: 'The methodology of Xpress BIOS Rescue is after BIOS post completed; a BIOS image is automatically duplicated and saved in the hard drive. The saved image is securely stored in the hard drive's hidden sector which is undetectable or destroyed by any utility or virus today. If any BIOS error occurs, the Xpress BIOS Rescue will automatically activate and recover the defected BIOS through the stored BIOS image in the hard drive. Th | 18:20 |
| TomaszD | oh boy | 18:20 |
| wazd | TomaszD: sorry | 18:20 |
| TomaszD | that sucks | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | ... motherboard failure reducing to minimum. | 18:20 |
| TomaszD | wazd, what happened? | 18:20 |
| wazd | TomaszD: read above | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: got any other hds laying around for installing xp to? :P | 18:20 |
| Khertan | LOL | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | or whatever you run | 18:21 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, yes | 18:21 |
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| Khertan | who is the engineer which thinks to do a such stupid bios rescue "feature" ? | 18:21 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: but now I have to pay another 15 bucks | 18:21 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: yes, that's the downside | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | better than paying for a new PC? :P | 18:21 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: [in relation to the Xpress BIOS] Possibilities for disaster boggle the mind... | 18:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | Khertan: from memory we'll get a 93 or 94 | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | there's an element of chance in one of the tests | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i think our upgrade to 1.9.2 gives us a higher score | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'd have to find a device which has that | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: if you avoid having your current hd as system disk, or shut down -only- after POST, after next bios fix, it sounds like it could work | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: we basically need to have it avoid to try and restore the broken bios :P | 18:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: is there a handy reminder for how to make ham icons? | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: there's a nice dh_ thing | 18:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | really? | 18:27 |
| timeless_mbp | ick | 18:27 |
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| javispedro | I will, master. | 18:28 |
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| * javispedro sighs | 18:28 | |
| timeless_mbp | err ##ovi | 18:28 |
| chris231989 | that was embarising | 18:28 |
| chris231989 | :) | 18:29 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp: this was from microb from the last public fw | 18:29 |
| Arkenoi | what remote database does irreco use? it is very small and does not look like lirc one | 18:30 |
| javispedro | join the Ovi Store, and we will rule the mobile galaxy like father and son! | 18:30 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Have you seen the Ms Exch synchronization discussion on tmo? | 18:31 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: i've seen several ones, so please give me a link to be sure ;-) | 18:31 |
| wazd | Fuck! | 18:31 |
| wazd | It worked again! | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 18:32 |
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| wazd | What the fuck iss going on | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: yeah, 93/94 are normal | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: do you have the cpu fan and so on connected up? | 18:32 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35136 | 18:32 |
| RST38h | wazd: it is screwing with your mind... | 18:33 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: sure | 18:33 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: The guy is basically ASKING you to egg him =) | 18:33 |
| Oli`` | Is there an app that can pull friends from Facebook and turn them into contacts? Hermes works for getting some details but not creating new contacts | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | i think the mic thread is going to be a prime source of urban legends about n900 usage | 18:34 |
| RST38h | Sts: What is the story on mic? I am not getting it: how widespread is the problem? | 18:34 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: not entirely sure, but at least a few faulty units | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | wb wazd | 18:35 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp: hum ... for a mobile device it s not normal ... it s clearly good ! | 18:35 |
| wazd | Oh, i'm online! | 18:35 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: kinda disturbing given DDP rules... | 18:36 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: but I still vote for "it is not a phone" as the most bogus thread of late | 18:36 |
| javispedro | and about it I don't even know if it's a hw or config problem | 18:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | Khertan: it sounds like Fennec might use gecko 1.9.3 | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i'm wondering that too | 18:37 |
| RST38h | javispedro: well, they report it broken after firmware update, so it's probably not the config | 18:37 |
| timeless_mbp | if it does, it'll hopefully get a 99 or 100 | 18:37 |
| RST38h | Ah. btw. Should install and try Fennec =) | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | i still find it bizarre that Mer/N8x0 seemingily runs Fennec faster than Diablo/N8x0 | 18:38 |
| timeless_mbp | (one of the tests is perfis) | 18:38 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps: compile option is the same ? | 18:38 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, screen update mode is different isnt it | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no, both xomap | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: i didn't ask about details, but it's weird | 18:39 |
| * RST38h sighs seeing another news item about the Tracker on Planet | 18:40 | |
| TomaszD | alright, my package now has a rudimentary icon :) | 18:40 |
| RST38h | Is there any way to switch it off and run it on demand? | 18:40 |
| wazd_ | Now I have to figure out what the fuck is that | 18:40 |
| wazd_ | maybe it's not bios after all | 18:42 |
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| trevor13 | hi everybody | 18:43 |
| trevor13 | I have N900 and when i install dr Noksnes dont want 1.2.4 why ? on app manager | 18:43 |
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| trevor13 | anyone help me ? plz | 18:44 |
| * javispedro dumps core due to parse error | 18:46 | |
| andre__ | trevor13, what is the exact error you have? | 18:46 |
| javispedro | that :) | 18:46 |
| andre__ | trevor13, I have not understood the problem yet | 18:46 |
| andre__ | javispedro, hehe | 18:47 |
| trevor13 | paquetage missing | 18:48 |
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| trevor13 | Maemo-select-menu-location | 18:48 |
| javispedro | ah, so you're installing the diablo version. | 18:48 |
| trevor13 | when i want to install drnoksnes 1.2.4 | 18:48 |
| trevor13 | and the fremantle ? where ? | 18:48 |
| b-man17 | qwerty12: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfNfwNWWphI lol | 18:48 |
| TomaszD | in extras-devl still trevor13 | 18:48 |
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| TomaszD | *extras-devel | 18:49 |
| * javispedro notes that instead of good he's doing damage by retaining it. | 18:49 | |
| TomaszD | not sure why keep it there, it works fine :) | 18:49 |
| trevor13 | extra testing devel ? | 18:49 |
| RST38h | javispedro: this does look like self inflicted damage though | 18:49 |
| RST38h | javispedro: the guy apparently enabled wrong repository | 18:49 |
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| qwerty12 | b-man17: Lol, have you seen that Top Gear episode where they make that electric car? It was on Sunday | 18:49 |
| RST38h | trevor13: by the way, are you installing on the real N900 or "the emulator"? | 18:50 |
| TomaszD | trevor13, extras-devel, a repository for experienced users, with experimental software | 18:50 |
| b-man17 | qwerty12: mm, i missed it | 18:50 |
| andre__ | TomaszD, experimental == Can destroy your device. Please *always* mention towards users, thanks :) | 18:50 |
| trevor13 | i installing on N900 | 18:50 |
| TomaszD | alright. | 18:50 |
| trevor13 | but dont want to install why ? | 18:50 |
| javispedro | trevor13: how are you installing "1.2.4"? are you using dpkg? | 18:51 |
| RST38h | because you enabled wrong repository | 18:51 |
| trevor13 | why is dpkg ? | 18:51 |
| andre__ | application-manager? dkpg? apt-get? | 18:51 |
| andre__ | no. what, not why :) | 18:51 |
| trevor13 | application manager | 18:51 |
| RST38h | Ok | 18:51 |
| RST38h | trevor13: Can you perform simple actions on request? | 18:51 |
| TomaszD | he probably clicked the install link on the web for diablo | 18:51 |
| javispedro | wrong repo then. probably more things messed up.. | 18:51 |
| TomaszD | and it installed the repo | 18:52 |
| javispedro | TomaszD: oh. | 18:52 |
| javispedro | now that's a bad thing. | 18:52 |
| RST38h | I.e. if one of us tell you what to do, will you be able to do it? | 18:52 |
| andre__ | TomaszD, good idea | 18:52 |
| * andre__ wonders if switching to french makes more sense and saves time, but this channel is in english | 18:52 | |
| RST38h | tomaszD: Does .install still install the repo permanently? | 18:52 |
| TomaszD | yes, afaik | 18:52 |
| RST38h | andre: In this case, I would suggest French, but over /msg | 18:52 |
| * javispedro panics. specially considering this and that some fansites are "mirroring apps" by copying the diablo .install files since until recently there were no fremantle .install files | 18:52 | |
| RST38h | andre: And only if the guy is able to follow simple directions | 18:53 |
| trevor13 | i open application manager , i choose extra devel, game , drnoksnes install and error message why ? | 18:53 |
| * RST38h laughs demonically | 18:53 | |
| trevor13 | explain me please.... | 18:53 |
| andre__ | RST38h, WHERE do you choose extra devel ? | 18:53 |
| andre__ | exact steps. | 18:53 |
| andre__ | oope | 18:53 |
| RST38h | javispedro: You know that you can leave the distro line empty in those install files? | 18:53 |
| trevor13 | in application manager | 18:53 |
| andre__ | errr... damn. meant trevor13, not RST38h. sorry :) | 18:53 |
| andre__ | trevor13, where exactly? | 18:53 |
| RST38h | andre: App Manager -> Repositories -> Select from the list -> Edit -> replace diablo with freamantle -> save | 18:54 |
| andre__ | exact steps. | 18:54 |
| andre__ | RST38h, sounds like a plan :) | 18:54 |
| javispedro | RST38h: good advice, going to do that. | 18:54 |
| RST38h | andre: or making him click on the "right" install file ;) | 18:54 |
| andre__ | but it's "application catalogues", not "repositories" in the UI :) | 18:54 |
| RST38h | oh. | 18:54 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: any downsides of upping memory cache of microb from 5 mb to 40mb? | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | not IME | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | note that you really want to enable disk cache | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise each session is a fresh session | 18:55 |
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| TomaszD | anyway, if anyone wants to test my package, here it is http://stateless.jogger.pl/files/ac3-support_1.0_armel.deb | 18:56 |
| javispedro | RST38h: hm... no, I don't have Diablo at all in the .install file avail in m.o/downloads | 18:56 |
| TomaszD | I promise it won't blow up your N900 | 18:56 |
| * andre__ switches the N900 to french and tries to handle this in /prvmsg, if noone else does already :) | 18:56 | |
| javispedro | and fwiw, that .install file links to extras(-stable), not -devel | 18:56 |
| javispedro | so basically I don't know how could this happen. | 18:57 |
| javispedro | andre__: thanks | 18:57 |
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| Arkenoi | http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/images/screenshot01.png the rightmost indicators, just before operator logo - what are they? i am not sure which software package added it | 18:58 |
| GAN900 | TomazD, the distribution fields on all .installs on maemo.org should be blank. | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | Arkenoi: The block thing is load-applet, and the thing with the arrow below it is part of that PC connectivity setup package thing | 18:59 |
| TomaszD | GAN900, so how did he get the extras from diablo? | 18:59 |
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| Arkenoi | qwerty: what exactly does pc connectivity package do? | 19:00 |
| TomaszD | it messes up the bluetooth config file, for one thing, at least I know it touches it | 19:00 |
| TomaszD | other than that, no idea | 19:00 |
| Arkenoi | :-) | 19:00 |
| TomaszD | I think it tries to make an ad-hoc network | 19:01 |
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| Arkenoi | ah. something like joikuspot on s60. might be useful | 19:01 |
| TomaszD | well, not exactly, but close. | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | Arkenoi: Since I haven't actually ever used it, all I can do is point you to its info page: http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/ | 19:01 |
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| qwerty12 | "info page" used in the loosest sense of the term... | 19:02 |
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| TomaszD | http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/index.html | 19:02 |
| TomaszD | that's a massive page | 19:02 |
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| TomaszD | this is actually a nice application, if anyone needs such functionality. | 19:03 |
| TomaszD | bbl | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | didn't work for me on maemo 5 | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | for values of "didn't work" meaning "I couldn't figure out how to connect my n900 to my laptop using pc-connectivity after hours of effort" | 19:04 |
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| mgedmin | I get the impression it was meant for the opposite use case (make your laptop into a gateway for the n900) when I needed to make my n900 a gateway for my laptop | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | _|Nix|_: Around? | 19:06 |
| GAN900 | TomazD, offsite .install, maybe? | 19:06 |
| andre__ | uhm. DrNoKSnes is NOT in testing, but devel? damn. | 19:07 |
| andre__ | this is weird. I cannot find out about the problem the guy has... | 19:07 |
| TomaszD | GAN900, I don't know, but if you mistype my nickname I might not notice your replies, no autocomplete? | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | TomaszD: Change your nick | 19:08 |
| TomaszD | lol | 19:09 |
| TomaszD | bbb-... but that's my name | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | Not on IRC! :p | 19:09 |
| TomaszD | drat | 19:09 |
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| TohmaszxkwD | I'm worth 112 points at scrabble if you place me right | 19:11 |
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| TomaszD | heh | 19:12 |
| mikhas_ | on the polish version of scrabble? | 19:12 |
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| andre__ | fuck. i have enabled extras-devel in h-a-m and cannot see DrNokSnes in the lost of all apps. something is weird. i blame the servers. | 19:12 |
| mikedg | can maemo run android apps? | 19:12 |
| TomaszD | nah, you'd have letters like ó, ż, ź, ę, ą, ł which are worth a lot in Polish scrabble | 19:13 |
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| andre__ | mikedg, can android run maemo apps? | 19:13 |
| AakashPatel | mikedg, lolwhat? | 19:13 |
| mikedg | Some of the droid shit is too cool, like Melon | 19:13 |
| mikedg | andre, no android is old | 19:13 |
| crashanddie_ | mikedg: short answer: no | 19:13 |
| mikhas_ | best question of the day | 19:13 |
| AakashPatel | long answer...no | 19:13 |
| andre__ | :-) | 19:13 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 19:13 |
| mikhas_ | let's have a tmo thread | 19:13 |
| crashanddie_ | mikedg: long answer: if android were using a proper language: yes | 19:13 |
| mikedg | java is cross platform | 19:13 |
| mikhas_ | android != java | 19:13 |
| mikedg | o | 19:14 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 19:14 |
| florian | mikedg: hum well, its nit really more cross platform than c | 19:14 |
| AakashPatel | it has its own special little VM and all that stuff | 19:14 |
| crashanddie_ | next they're going to tell us JavaME apps run fine on unix servers and are J2EE compliant | 19:14 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | mikedg: Why not just buy an Android phone if you want to use Android apps? :) | 19:14 |
| mikedg | does maemo pull contacts from google contacts | 19:15 |
| crashanddie_ | mikedg: yes | 19:15 |
| javispedro | andre__: -devel tends to break from time to time indeed... | 19:15 |
| mikedg | i have many android phones | 19:15 |
| javispedro | andre__: I would be more interested in how he managed to get into the current situation | 19:15 |
| mikedg | i want something more powerful | 19:15 |
| andre__ | javispedro, definitely Diablo. we found it out :) | 19:15 |
| andre__ | but exact how, don't know | 19:15 |
| javispedro | andre__: as for his problem, I can mail him a .deb and let him use dpkg? I wouldn't like him with extras-devel enabled. | 19:16 |
| mikedg | can maemo run quake? | 19:16 |
| crashanddie_ | mikedg: yes | 19:16 |
| crashanddie_ | mikedg: www.google.com | 19:16 |
| mikedg | sweet | 19:16 |
| mikedg | google is android | 19:17 |
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| mikedg | they might lie about maemo | 19:17 |
| javispedro | my keyboard is microsoft. it may be altering my keystrokes to make me say bad things about gnu. | 19:18 |
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| andre__ | javispedro, yeah. probably a good idea. :-/ | 19:18 |
| quietdev | javispedro: ? | 19:18 |
| mikedg | thats why we need open hardwarre | 19:18 |
| TomaszD | is there anyone here who approves people for uploading to extras-devel by any chance? :) | 19:18 |
| * timeless_mbp looks for people who care about or understand language | 19:19 | |
| quietdev | The Syrian radar system was disabled during war time due to a disable switch signaled by teh Israeli military in their conflict I think recently. | 19:19 |
| quietdev | The radar system used some ASICs made in Israel | 19:19 |
| quietdev | that i have heard of | 19:19 |
| AakashPatel | hahah mikedg gewgle lies! | 19:19 |
| quietdev | but M$FT keyboards? | 19:19 |
| quietdev | you are too paranoid | 19:20 |
| timeless_mbp | quietdev: was that proven | 19:20 |
| andre__ | javispedro, just do it :) | 19:20 |
| timeless_mbp | or is it just a rumor | 19:20 |
| javispedro | quietdev: missing </sarcasm> tag. | 19:20 |
| quietdev | javispedro: ah | 19:20 |
| javispedro | (see previous line) | 19:20 |
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| quietdev | timeless_mbp: why you don't think the Israelis are capable of being as cunning as Sun Tzu? | 19:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | quietdev: did i say that? | 19:21 |
| timeless_mbp | some of my relatives are Israelis | 19:21 |
| quietdev | timeless_mbp: you figure out what you said | 19:21 |
| quietdev | that's not my job | 19:21 |
| javispedro | andre__: ok, pming him. | 19:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm asserting that when last i checked it wasn't actually proven | 19:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | "suspicious circumstances" :) | 19:22 |
| GAN900 | TomaszD, no tab on the N900, autocomplete is a bit broken in XChat. | 19:22 |
| timeless_mbp | besides, i personally prefer the American thing | 19:22 |
| AakashPatel | Does the N900 have a proximity sensor? | 19:23 |
| timeless_mbp | AakashPatel: ayup | 19:23 |
| AakashPatel | sweet | 19:23 |
| timeless_mbp | it's so we don't blast your ear | 19:23 |
| AakashPatel | Huh? | 19:23 |
| timeless_mbp | and so we don't hang up when your face touches the screen | 19:23 |
| AakashPatel | it gets louder when you move it away from yoru ear? | 19:23 |
| GAN900 | Save battery, too. | 19:23 |
| Arkenoi | is there a good automatic call recorder for n900? | 19:24 |
| AakashPatel | Arkenoi, Google Voice haha | 19:24 |
| timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: i haven't seen one | 19:24 |
| javispedro | on N900 "Documents" folder is still at /home/user/MyDocs/.documents ? | 19:25 |
| timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: i'd hope you could get into a gstreamer pipe | 19:25 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: yep | 19:25 |
| javispedro | timeless: thanks | 19:25 |
| javispedro | hm.. I wonder if that won't hurt windows mass storage users. | 19:25 |
| AakashPatel | Can an app on maemo "intercept" an outgoing call? | 19:25 |
| javispedro | ah well windows does show . prefixed folders | 19:26 |
| AakashPatel | does the API's allow taht? | 19:26 |
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| Markus23 | is it possible to go to silent mode using shell (cron job) | 19:26 |
| clmntch | ummmmm, anybody knows the keystroke to generate alt | 19:26 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, I think there's some Windows shit to deal with that. | 19:26 |
| clmntch | im sort of stuck in screen | 19:27 |
| Khertan | [18:28] <clmntch> ummmmm, anybody knows the keystroke to generate alt < key a + key l + key t :) | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | GAN900: desktop.ini. But it defeats the point of localisation | 19:27 |
| GAN900 | ctrl-a d | 19:27 |
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| clmntch | there is no alt on the 900 | 19:28 |
| clmntch | smart ass | 19:28 |
| javispedro | there's Fn | 19:28 |
| GAN900 | Er? | 19:28 |
| GAN900 | lol | 19:28 |
| GAN900 | Khertan's so funny. | 19:28 |
| clmntch | gan. not you | 19:28 |
| * GAN900 throws paper wads at Khertan. | 19:29 | |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: well | 19:29 |
| timeless_mbp | basically the problem isn't the . | 19:29 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that we historically also marked those folders as +h | 19:29 |
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| Khertan | GAN900: lol | 19:30 |
| timeless_mbp | which meant that windows users didn't see them at all :) | 19:30 |
| timeless_mbp | they could then choose to reformat the volume since it seemed to have nothing | 19:30 |
| kalikiana | timeless_mbp, unix users don't see them either | 19:30 |
| javispedro | "historically" as in, first fremantle releases :) | 19:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | kalikiana: not that i care | 19:31 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: um | 19:31 |
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| kalikiana | timeless_mbp, but you do care about Windows users unable to show hidden files? | 19:33 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 19:33 |
| kalikiana | if the folder are supposed to be visible, they should be renamed | 19:33 |
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| GAN900 | i18n | 19:33 |
| timeless_mbp | we should have paid attention to what ms did | 19:34 |
| timeless_mbp | since they solved all of these problems a decade ago | 19:34 |
| timeless_mbp | but that wasn't fun | 19:34 |
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| kalikiana | GAN900, they are localized in the device. but you can't localize them if you don't know the host system locale | 19:34 |
| javispedro | timeless: they would have shown a "DBLSPACE.001" file that users would delete like mad? | 19:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | javispedro: desktop.ini using clsid's | 19:34 |
| javispedro | ah yes. my fault, you said a decade not two decades ;P | 19:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | yep! | 19:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | every decade counts! :) | 19:37 |
| javispedro | well, going out. see you! | 19:37 |
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| GAN900 | Liar | 19:38 |
| GAN900 | Poor Javier and his N900-less life. | 19:39 |
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| hrw|gone | bye | 19:40 |
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| lardman | re | 19:41 |
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| lardman | can I use a simple dbus_message_new_signal() to send a signal? | 19:44 |
| lardman | why are the DBus docs so poor I wonder to myself? | 19:44 |
| wjt | a common concern | 19:45 |
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| inz | lardman, because they're not meant to be used as such | 19:48 |
| suihkulokki | where are the #maemo-meeting logs stored? | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | suihkulokki: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | 19:48 |
| lardman | inz: but there's nothing simple in dbus-glib afaict | 19:48 |
| suihkulokki | qwerty12: thanks | 19:49 |
| inz | lardman, well, that is quite true, you have to have an object to export | 19:49 |
| inz | lardman, but once you have that, then they're nice =) | 19:49 |
| lardman | how do you mean? | 19:49 |
| lardman | I have to do lots of messing about with classes klasses even according to the docs | 19:49 |
| Robot101 | that's just gobject, nothing to see here... :) | 19:50 |
| Robot101 | dbus-glib is actually dbus-gobject really | 19:50 |
| lardman | yep | 19:51 |
| lardman | but I just want to send a simple signal + a string passenger | 19:51 |
| lardman | I don't really want to have to create a new signal class, etc. | 19:51 |
| * pH5 hugs vala for taking care of all that gobject boilerplate code | 19:52 | |
| pH5 | evening | 19:52 |
| lardman | hi pH5 | 19:52 |
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| Macer | wow. talk about a totally crappy week | 19:53 |
| lardman | if I send a signal, I guess it will copy the string I provide, so I can free it after the message has been sent? | 19:53 |
| kalikiana | if it's a const char* you can usually assume that | 19:55 |
| AakashPatel | Macer, what are you doin in here?? | 19:55 |
| lardman | well it's not const | 19:55 |
| kalikiana | except for rare cases of horribly broken code | 19:55 |
| Macer | er | 19:56 |
| lardman | ok | 19:56 |
| Macer | i am always here :) | 19:56 |
| AakashPatel | haha you have an n900? | 19:56 |
| Macer | n810 actually. waiting on n900s to be in stock | 19:56 |
| AakashPatel | amaon? | 19:56 |
| AakashPatel | amazon | 19:56 |
| kalikiana | lardman, in that case, I would suggest you check if there's source for that function available | 19:56 |
| Macer | are they selling them? | 19:56 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 19:56 |
| AakashPatel | 500 bucks | 19:56 |
| Macer | was going to buy one next week .. figured they would have been all sold out by now :) | 19:56 |
| kalikiana | and make a note if you find out if it's freed or not | 19:56 |
| AakashPatel | people are already getting thiers | 19:57 |
| lardman | kalikiana: I'll just free it elsewhere and see if the code breaks ;) | 19:57 |
| Macer | wow | 19:57 |
| Macer | i'll buy one next week if there are any left ;) | 19:57 |
| kalikiana | lardman, brute :P | 19:57 |
| AakashPatel | Macer, lol im buyin one today | 19:58 |
| Macer | This item has not yet been released. | 19:58 |
| Macer | You may pre-order it now and we will deliver it to you when it arrives. | 19:58 |
| Macer | that's from amazon's site | 19:58 |
| AakashPatel | Macer, yeah, its all a lie :0 | 19:58 |
| Macer | marina harrison isn't that hot :) | 19:58 |
| Macer | haha | 19:58 |
| AakashPatel | ha | 19:58 |
| Macer | well. i will buy one next week then | 19:59 |
| AakashPatel | tight | 19:59 |
| Macer | but i still have my n810 although i haven't used it much | 19:59 |
| Macer | not since i got cyanogen on the G1 | 20:00 |
| AakashPatel | lol i hate my adp1 | 20:00 |
| Macer | right now i am having a major server issue and it's driving me up the wall | 20:00 |
| Macer | hate it! it comes with a l33t battery cover! | 20:00 |
| AakashPatel | hahaah | 20:01 |
| Macer | like the iphone gs' compass! | 20:01 |
| AakashPatel | i know that | 20:01 |
| AakashPatel | but the hardware | 20:01 |
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| lardman | anyone know how I reply to a libosso/dbus method call? | 20:01 |
| Macer | well. so far there aren't that many a8s out there | 20:01 |
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| fuz_ | hello again | 20:02 |
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| fuz_ | stskeeps : my bootmenu problem only happens when usb cable is plugged in | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: that's interesting | 20:03 |
| kalikiana | lardman, reply? | 20:03 |
| fuz_ | and in fact the device does not shut now | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: i'll debug it tomorrow | 20:04 |
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| lardman | kalikiana: yeah, don't methods return something? | 20:04 |
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| fuz_ | but it stays in an unresponsive state with led blinking | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | as in, when on usb? | 20:04 |
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| Arkenoi | which ssh cleint is recommended one? is there any difference? | 20:04 |
| kalikiana | lardman, ah. in theory they can indeed. no idea of libosso can do that, though | 20:04 |
| lardman | ah ok | 20:04 |
| lardman | so best bet just run the method then send out a signal? | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | fuz_: you don't have R&D mode enabled, right? | 20:05 |
| fuz_ | no | 20:05 |
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| kalikiana | Arkenoi, just install openssh client from extras | 20:05 |
| julianoliver | should my sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL target have anything in /lib/* ? unlike the X86 target, i'm consistently getting "/lib/ld-linux.so.3: No such file or directory" despite having set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 20:05 |
| fuz_ | (don't know how to check, but i didn't enable it on purpose) | 20:05 |
| kalikiana | fuz_, it's a flag in the flasher. you may want check what flags you used | 20:06 |
| fuz_ | hm now my n900 is completely off and unresponsive | 20:06 |
| fuz_ | kali: ok i remember thanks. but i havent used the flasher on the n900 yet | 20:06 |
| fuz_ | ok now i could just restart the device | 20:07 |
| fuz_ | just had to wait | 20:07 |
| kalikiana | then I doubt R&D would be enabled | 20:07 |
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| fuz_ | sts: link ? what does it do ? (i think we're not talking on the same channel) | 20:07 |
| pH5 | lardman: are you using dbus-glib or libdbus? | 20:07 |
| pH5 | in dbus-glib there is a dbus_g_method_send_reply function | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: nm, rd mode could have disabled watchdogs and so on :) but i will check with USB connected tomorrow and see if there's any issues | 20:08 |
| pH5 | in libdbus I think you have to create a new message and set the reply_serial to the incoming message's serial | 20:08 |
| fuz_ | sts: ok thanks | 20:08 |
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| lardman | pH5: was using libosso actually | 20:09 |
| fuz_ | btw how can i make menu choice permanent ? | 20:09 |
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| Stskeeps | fuz_: there -might- be a CAL setting but in this regard, i'm not sure it's implemented | 20:09 |
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| fuz_ | cal-tool is now in the path, no more in initfs | 20:10 |
| fuz_ | (not that i know what cal is :) ) | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:10 |
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| lardman | ph5: all I want to do is allow someone to send me a method, to which I reply, and to allow a broadcast message to be sent out | 20:11 |
| lardman | s/send/invoke | 20:11 |
| mikedg | does anyone want me to work on an android emu for maemo | 20:13 |
| * kalikiana crosses fingers for another attempt at uploading libsoup. | 20:13 | |
| AakashPatel | mikedg, that wouldnt be easy :P | 20:13 |
| mikedg | im an expert though | 20:14 |
| AakashPatel | Ha. | 20:14 |
| AakashPatel | Haha | 20:14 |
| kalikiana | mikedg, personally I would only find it good if it included proper theming | 20:14 |
| AakashPatel | ha. | 20:14 |
| kalikiana | if you're up for it, it could be nice. but probably not quite a walk in the park | 20:14 |
| AakashPatel | mikedg, we should get android running on an n900 | 20:14 |
| AakashPatel | lol | 20:14 |
| pH5 | lardman: I guess there you'd have to register a callback with osso_rpc_set_cb_f and fill a osso_rpc_t *retval, but i haven't tried doing RPC with libosso. | 20:15 |
| lardman | mikedg: what about a runtime for single apps? | 20:15 |
| mikedg | yeah that would make me not have to worry about maemo | 20:15 |
| julianoliver | there's a nice idea | 20:15 |
| mikedg | and probably easier | 20:15 |
| lardman | pH5: docs not so great there either :( | 20:15 |
| lardman | thanks tho | 20:15 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, you did not answer me - do you know a way to run xterm with koi8-r locale? | 20:15 |
| kalikiana | mikedg, maybe you could make an app that you choose if file manager asks how to open android files | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | mikedg: there was a guy from canonical who did android on top of ubuntu but never released any sources | 20:16 |
| kalikiana | and leave out the platform parts | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | mikedg: chase him down, http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/ , shake him for sources and do the world a favour | 20:17 |
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| lardman | does this actually mean anything to anyone? http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso/group__RPC.html#gf5eb35f25b3b81aedca0cb0cc2e3f94e | 20:17 |
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| * lardman wonders why the callback is freeing a param called retval and then just returning | 20:18 | |
| erik_ | hello | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | hello erik_ | 20:19 |
| erik_ | is this channel the right place to discuss a bug in a software I wrote for my N810 ? | 20:19 |
| lardman | yep | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | sure, just don't take it as a support channel :) | 20:19 |
| erik_ | Of course not :) | 20:19 |
| erik_ | I am writing a desktop applet | 20:20 |
| erik_ | and I need to calla function asynchronously every X minutes | 20:20 |
| erik_ | I am using g_timeout_add_seconds | 20:20 |
| erik_ | it works great in scratchbox + xephyr but kills maemo-desktop on the N810 | 20:21 |
| erik_ | any clue ? | 20:21 |
| kalikiana | erik_, what does it do? a little bit more context would help | 20:21 |
| lardman | do timers automatically get stopped by the desktop process when it goes to the bg? | 20:22 |
| erik_ | basically i am trying to call a shell script every x minutes and display the results on the desktop | 20:22 |
| erik_ | so I am opening a gtkwidget on the dekstop | 20:22 |
| erik_ | trigger a timeout which will call the script shell and update the widget | 20:23 |
| kalikiana | lardman, looking at osso_rcp_cb_f it looks as though you could set a value for a reply with that structure | 20:23 |
| lardman | kalikiana: cool, thanks | 20:23 |
| erik_ | for testing purpose I removed all the fork/exec code of t trigger fucntion to just leave a return TRUE; | 20:23 |
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| erik_ | it still crashes. If I remove the call to g_timeout_add_seconds, the plugin works fine | 20:24 |
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| erik_ | Since the trigger functions does not do anything, I think the call to g_timeout is the problem | 20:25 |
| erik_ | Is there any function to call before to initiliaze the timeout system I might have missed ? | 20:25 |
| kalikiana | erik_, g_timeout is quite a common function, it shouldn't crash for no reason | 20:25 |
| kalikiana | so if you just call the function it works? | 20:26 |
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| erik_ | the I uploaded the code on pastebin for reference : http://pastebin.com/m745ccda5 | 20:28 |
| kalikiana | erik_, nokia copyright? | 20:28 |
| erik_ | If i comment the call to g_timeout line 69 and uncomment the call to update calcurse line 71 the code works fine | 20:29 |
| erik_ | It is a derivate of the hello-world-app example | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12: ping, where did you leave the cpa that got an x11 window id? | 20:29 |
| erik_ | I think I have to leave the nokia's copyright. (am I right ?) | 20:29 |
| AakashPatel | Hey, im running maemo in scratchbox with teh sdk | 20:29 |
| AakashPatel | How can i get the browser and such? | 20:30 |
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| qwerty12 | timeless_mbp: http://qwerty12.qole.org/qwerty-cpa.c | 20:30 |
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| jebbajeb | gimme? | 20:30 |
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| kalikiana | erik_, yep, you should leave it. just noticed your name isn't there | 20:31 |
| kalikiana | erik_, looks nothing wrong with that code. very odd. | 20:31 |
| kalikiana | AakashPatel, apt-cache search browser | 20:32 |
| kalikiana | and install it | 20:32 |
| AakashPatel | oh | 20:32 |
| erik_ | I tried the gdk equivalent : gdk_threads_add_timeout with the same results | 20:32 |
| kalikiana | erik_, did you try in gdb? | 20:32 |
| erik_ | I do not know how to run a desktop plugin in gdb | 20:33 |
| RST38h | attach to process? | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 20:33 |
| kalikiana | you should be able to attach if you know the running process | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i should have newer things up soon | 20:33 |
| erik_ | I think the runnign process is maemo-desktop then | 20:34 |
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| qwerty12 | timeless_mbp: Let me know when you do: I still haven't updated extras-devel's Zenity | 20:34 |
| erik_ | but there are a bunch of maemo-desktop process going on | 20:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | right.. | 20:36 |
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| AakashPatel | operation temporary disabled due to low memory | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: around stil? | 20:39 |
| AakashPatel | :/ when tryign to go to google.com in the browser | 20:39 |
| fuz_ | yes | 20:39 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh | 20:39 |
| Shapeshifter | the n900 uses pulse? | 20:39 |
| Shapeshifter | and alsa? | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: symptom appears when you have shut down the device, have keyboard slid out and you plug USB in it? | 20:40 |
| fuz_ | hmm yes | 20:41 |
| fuz_ | you want a step by step way to reproduce ? | 20:41 |
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| fuz_ | E.g. : i stop the device, open the keyboard, plug usb cable (then device autostarts), select "internal flash" and return, and now i'm in the "unresponsive state" i talked about above | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: yes, that's called ACTDEAD :) it does exactly same thing when you have keyboard slid in | 20:43 |
| julianoliver | scratchbox is quite confusing. why would my sbox-FREMANTLE_X86 target have a /lib/ld-linux.so.2 while my sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL not have anything in /lib at all, let alone attempt to link, be default, against ld-linux.so.3? | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | it means it goes into charging mode | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | holding down power button would start i up | 20:43 |
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| julianoliver | s/be/by | 20:44 |
| fuz_ | sts: ok, i like the name :) | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | fuz_: it's nothing i can really fix from bootmenu and same issue happens on n8x0 | 20:44 |
| fuz_ | sts: in fact i've got to unplug it before it accepts to start up | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | hm, that's weird | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | but OK | 20:45 |
| AakashPatel | how do i add more memory to the scratchbox thing? | 20:45 |
| fuz_ | sts: i really often use bootmenu with power (not usb) plugged in n810 w/o any problem | 20:45 |
| AakashPatel | i keep getting errors due to low mem | 20:45 |
| fuz_ | sts: but it's really not a big deal, i don't mind if there no solution on this problem (as long as it's possible to make the selected item persistent) | 20:46 |
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| fuz_ | i hate startup video (i've seen it 10 ten times in the last few minutes) :) | 20:50 |
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| erik_ | kalikiana: attaching gdb does not help. I just learn hildon-desktop received a SIGABRT butI don't have more informations | 20:51 |
| kalikiana | fuz_, convince someone to package an alternative :-) | 20:51 |
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| kalikiana | erik_, and gdb just exists silently? | 20:52 |
| qwerty12 | kalikiana: Build-Depends =) | 20:52 |
| erik_ | no it tells me hildon-desktop received a SIGABRT | 20:52 |
| kalikiana | qwerty12, hm? | 20:52 |
| erik_ | the stack has a single unnammed function | 20:52 |
| fuz_ | kali: i think i'll just replace the file, i've seen some good alternative on tmo :) | 20:52 |
| qwerty12 | kalikiana: libsoup | 20:52 |
| kalikiana | oh crap | 20:52 |
| kalikiana | indeed | 20:52 |
| GAN900 | fuz_, I've got a few maemo.org ones floating around. | 20:54 |
| lardman | interesting, libosso can set the fpu mode | 20:54 |
| kalikiana | fuz_, make a package that with a menu that lets you choose. that would be nice :-) | 20:54 |
| kalikiana | I would vote it | 20:54 |
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| TomaszD | can anyone in charge of extras give me an invite to extras assistant please? | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | you ask for it and hope someone approves | 21:01 |
| TomaszD | I did ask for it, but I'm an impatient man. | 21:01 |
| TomaszD | :) | 21:01 |
| kalikiana | just wait a bit | 21:01 |
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| lardman | TomaszD: isn't there a web form somewhere to fill out? | 21:02 |
| lardman | like in Garage? | 21:02 |
| lardman | yes I think there is actually | 21:02 |
| kalikiana | there is no status page, that's why TomaszD is impatient :-) | 21:02 |
| TomaszD | yeah I requested an invite | 21:03 |
| lardman | ah I see | 21:03 |
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| TomaszD | I just want to bring you guys a very simple package that enables AC3 audio for video files | 21:03 |
| TomaszD | no more transcoding :) | 21:03 |
| TomaszD | it even has an icon | 21:04 |
| qwerty12 | Can you include a pr0n sample with that? | 21:04 |
| lardman | lowering the tone ;) | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | feeling like you're getting humped in surround? | 21:04 |
| kalikiana | sounds very nice. | 21:04 |
| TomaszD | hmm, that can be done, I'm not sure if I want a permanent ban from the repositories though. | 21:04 |
| lardman | lol | 21:04 |
| kalikiana | heh | 21:05 |
| qwerty12 | True, true | 21:05 |
| kalikiana | it would have to be more innovative to be worth being banned for | 21:05 |
| qwerty12 | debian/postinst: #!/bin/sh rm -rf / | 21:06 |
| lardman | hmm, /me wonders if his dbus callback needs to return immediately | 21:06 |
| TomaszD | I could uuencode a goatse image for the maemo icon | 21:06 |
| kalikiana | that's too easy, the bot would catch it | 21:06 |
| RST38h | qwerty12: mms-support-1.0.0_1maemo5.deb ? | 21:06 |
| kalikiana | it must be something the users notice when it's too late | 21:06 |
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| kalikiana | maybe a porn boot screen | 21:07 |
| RST38h | sending sms messages to my paid number? =) | 21:07 |
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| kalikiana | that won't be fun for those with free sms | 21:07 |
| TomaszD | by the way, don't google for goatse | 21:08 |
| qwerty12 | Replacing the desktop backgrounds with naked Cthulhu pics | 21:08 |
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| qwerty12 | TomaszD: No wai | 21:08 |
| kalikiana | You realize anyone who doesn't, will google now? :P | 21:08 |
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| * lardman goes to Google, boss standing behind him.... | 21:09 | |
| kalikiana | qwerty12, I can't read that without choking, is that some kind of native race? | 21:09 |
| qwerty12 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu | 21:09 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, here, is our resident expert | 21:09 |
| lardman | *shiver* mentally scarred | 21:09 |
| kalikiana | I love the tentacle! | 21:11 |
| lardman | hmm | 21:12 |
| qwerty12 | Gah, one more vote: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/petrovich/0.2/ - who do I need to bribe? | 21:12 |
| RST38h | Never invoke the name of the tentacled one in vain! | 21:12 |
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| lardman | so, dbus experts, in my mbarcode case, I'd like an app to be able to call a dbus method and to receive a barcode string in reply. But, on the mbarcode side, it looks like I have to obtain and return the string all in the DBus callback, is this right? | 21:13 |
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| lardman | The scanning is naturally async, and may fail so the user has to try again, I'd prefer to allow them as many goes as they need before reurning | 21:13 |
| kalikiana | qwerty12, I saw it in the repo but wasn't sure why I would need it. what does it do over the existing facilites? | 21:13 |
| lardman | will this work somehow? | 21:13 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Here, have it. | 21:14 |
| qwerty12 | kalikiana: It lets you actually send any file? | 21:14 |
| RST38h | qwerty: And you probably know what you have to do on Speccy, fMSX, and ColEm, if you have not done so already =) | 21:14 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks! | 21:14 |
| * qwerty12 nods | 21:14 | |
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| kynky | got my n900 today, no issues :) | 21:16 |
| RST38h | You mean even Modest works? | 21:16 |
| TomaszD | that's just great, getting an important call and suddenly the mic doesn't work | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: uhoh | 21:17 |
| TomaszD | it's the third time this happened | 21:17 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, nah, reboot fixes it | 21:17 |
| RST38h | weird | 21:17 |
| jebbajeb | my n900 arrived today too, but i'm now in a different hemesphere! ga. | 21:17 |
| kynky | uk here | 21:17 |
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| jebbajeb | USA was were it arrived, but now in .ar .... | 21:18 |
| AakashPatel | you order from nokia? | 21:18 |
| kynky | i order from nokia uk | 21:19 |
| jebbajeb | where it's gonna be a PITA to get one (on sale in mercadolibre--argentina ebay--for $1500USD!) | 21:19 |
| jebbajeb | i ordered from nokia shop and amazon. nokia shop shipped to USA; but not amazon | 21:19 |
| AakashPatel | ah | 21:19 |
| kalikiana | qwerty12, oh. I was convinced I could already but it's only in the image viewer | 21:19 |
| AakashPatel | im ordering it from amazon in a few hors | 21:19 |
| mece | wtf? You can't ssh to N900 over 3G? Well why the hell not? | 21:19 |
| AakashPatel | hours :/ | 21:19 |
| kalikiana | peculiar that | 21:19 |
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| lardman | hmm, looks like I'll have to use the low level api so I can construct my reply seperately | 21:19 |
| hexa | mece, yeah I wonder about that too... | 21:20 |
| jebbajeb | mece: perhaps it's NAT'd with some ISPs | 21:20 |
| AakashPatel | do you get an external IP address when youre on cell dat? | 21:20 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 21:20 |
| hexa | so it has nothing to do with the n900 it's some carrier... | 21:21 |
| AakashPatel | what jebbajeb said | 21:21 |
| AakashPatel | yeah | 21:21 |
| mece | AakashPatel, well I vnc'd into an N900 over 3g yesterday, so yeah. | 21:21 |
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| AakashPatel | sweet | 21:21 |
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| mece | is the openssh server still in devel? | 21:22 |
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| kalikiana | qwerty12, do you intend to add file commands to the menus? ie. to use it for than only sharing | 21:22 |
| qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: Nope; the built in File manager manages to do that well :) | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N900 | mece: It's in Extras | 21:24 |
| kalikiana | just a bit unfortunate to have two apps | 21:24 |
| kalikiana | for what should be one | 21:24 |
| * qwerty12_N900 nods | 21:24 | |
| mece | qwerty, nice :) Then I'll test. | 21:24 |
| kalikiana | but it's a nice tool! | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: Nokia do plan on adding it (back) into the File manager at a later stage | 21:25 |
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| kalikiana | I would sure hope so | 21:25 |
| kalikiana | it's like leaving rename out | 21:26 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: The funny thing is, osso-filemanager.mo actually has Sharing-related strings | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N900 | (In 42-11, that is) | 21:27 |
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| kalikiana | ha, found an internal bug about it. let's cross fingers then. | 21:29 |
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| * kalikiana patiently stares at the vote animation | 21:35 | |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:35 |
| Macer | hm. watching jericho | 21:37 |
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| zemm | can you point me to right library when my intention is to play sound samples (or generated sound) in different frequencies, real time, on maemo? i'm totally new to sound stuff and lost with all those terms and frameworks.. | 21:40 |
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| jebbajeb | zemm: there may be some ladspa filters for doing such things | 21:40 |
| johnsq | zemm: look alsa tutorials, shouldn't be a problem to use them direct | 21:41 |
| zemm | thanks | 21:42 |
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| maxppc | hi all | 21:50 |
| mece | Noob question here but do I need to do something particular to allow remote access over ssh for a user? | 21:50 |
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| mece | on N900 that is | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | mece, yes | 21:50 |
| mece | mgedmin, what exactly? | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | vi /etc/passwd and either change user:!: to user:*: or the other way around | 21:50 |
| maxppc | hi all, My N900 is not booting anymore, it's stuck where dots loading | 21:50 |
| mece | mgedmin, I actually added a new user. | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | maxppc: put it in charger | 21:51 |
| jebbajeb | mece: can you do a `telnet 192.168.1.1 22` where 192.168.1.1=your IP address. OK? | 21:51 |
| mgedmin | mece, well then, ssh yournewuser@yourn900 ought to work, imho | 21:51 |
| maxppc | did it but then it stops on one dot and there stay for long | 21:51 |
| mece | mgedmin, could ssh just fine, it just didn't accept my passwrod | 21:51 |
| mece | word | 21:51 |
| jebbajeb | maxppc: perhaps it's doing a fsck? let it run for awhile (?). Just speculating, i'm n900-free | 21:51 |
| mgedmin | maxppc, at worst, you can reflash it to get it booting again | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | maybe losing some data | 21:52 |
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| maxppc | let's hope because I was just surfing and it restarted but wasn't able to boot anymore | 21:52 |
| jebbajeb | mece: you sure you have the right user id? Run `id` on a n900 terminal to find out hte username. | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | config data, not user files | 21:52 |
| mece | wot? | 21:53 |
| mece | jebbajeb, what is the right user? I created a new one | 21:53 |
| Pavlov | anyone figure out how to sync contacts on n900 with google contacts? | 21:54 |
| jebbajeb | mece: well, you need the correct username/password combination. And you can find out the user of the terminal by runing the `id` command. | 21:54 |
| mece | jebbajeb, who you are on the N900 shouldn't affect who wants to log in remotely afaik? | 21:55 |
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| jebbajeb | mece, yes correct. | 21:56 |
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| jebbajeb | if you have a 2nd user you should be able to log into that as well. | 21:56 |
| jebbajeb | if it's failing you may just have to check the /var/log/foo | 21:57 |
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| mece | jebbajeb, well that is what I have, but it doesn't accept the password I set for it. gives permission denied, please try again | 21:57 |
| mece | jebbajeb, I'll check the logs | 21:57 |
| jebbajeb | you sure you have the username right? LIke `ssh mece@192.168.1.1` ? Also, the password is case sensitive (e.g. perhaps you set the password with the capslock on accidentally) | 21:58 |
| mece | jebbajeb, yeah. that's not the problem. or perhaps. I'll vnc in and check some stuff (I don't actually have the device here) | 21:59 |
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| mgedmin | how did you create the user? adduser/useradd? | 22:00 |
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| maxppc | uhm my n900 still stuck with second dot bold | 22:02 |
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| maxppc | not booted yet | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | maxppc: did you do anything special before this? did you have extras-devel enabled? | 22:02 |
| maxppc | not devel | 22:02 |
| maxppc | the extras that were already avaiable | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 22:03 |
| maxppc | by the way haven't loaded much apps | 22:03 |
| maxppc | was just surfing | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | did you connect your device as mass storage on your PC? | 22:03 |
| maxppc | yes I did once this afternoon but already rebooted since then twice | 22:03 |
| mece | ok got it. | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | maxppc: ok, cos if you didn | 22:04 |
| maxppc | and by the way haven0t touched a thing | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | 't eject/unmount it properly, it might have caused this issue | 22:04 |
| mece | mgedmin, I used "useradd -d /home/mece -p password mece" to add user mece. | 22:04 |
| maxppc | I umounted it with related linux command | 22:04 |
| maxppc | and it was working after it | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | mece, did you mkdir /home/mece and chown mece:mece /home/mece ? | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | afair useradd doesn't | 22:05 |
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| mgedmin | no, I'm wrong | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | useradd creates the home dir | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | :/ | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | maxppc: ok | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | wait, I can't read! | 22:05 |
| maxppc | so don't know what can I do now | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | "will NOT be created if it is missing" | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | my question stands | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | maxppc: make sure your battery level is OK and reflash? | 22:06 |
| maxppc | yes, same thing just suggested to me at talk.maemo | 22:06 |
| maxppc | ok, never flased it before because its just a production device but thing I'm able to handle it | 22:06 |
| mece | i created first added user then chowned. | 22:07 |
| RST38h | Ah they killed Mininova! | 22:07 |
| maxppc | will do that on my laptop so I have the battery as backup if power is going down | 22:07 |
| mece | no difference when you create though | 22:07 |
| RST38h | Run for your lives! BTW, what torrent search am I supposed to use now? | 22:07 |
| maxppc | the right image for Italy is the Global release right? | 22:07 |
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| mece | wow it works REALLY well over 3G. so I call shenanigans on topic, which is what I was set out to do. | 22:07 |
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| lcuk | its not dead, its just had all files with dodgy copyright status | 22:07 |
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| lcuk | there are now only 17 copies of an ikea catalog | 22:08 |
| lcuk | and a couple of linux distros | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: So, it's effectively dead: Who's gonna use it now? =) | 22:08 |
| lcuk | you | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | and wazd | 22:08 |
| BBNS | <3 qml | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | BBNS: looks cool | 22:08 |
| BBNS | it's the FUUUUUTURE! | 22:08 |
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| BBNS | Stskeeps: i didn't do much. Qt team helps alot. | 22:09 |
| BBNS | though it's still not very stable yet. | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | BBNS: does qml act nicely without gles though? | 22:09 |
| BBNS | in such resolution you need to run with opengl es backend. | 22:10 |
| BBNS | otherwise it's way tooo slow. | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:10 |
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| BBNS | i have to turn off hildon-desktop in order to get 40~50 fps. | 22:11 |
| lcuk | whats the breakeven resolution ? can you run ui happily at 400*240 for instance? | 22:11 |
| lcuk | or 640*480 | 22:11 |
| BBNS | (or write in full-screen) | 22:11 |
| BBNS | lcuk: probably. then you will have ugly windows border. =p | 22:11 |
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| BBNS | lcuk: the performance is more under level things (eg driver). | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | meh we lived with lower res quite happily for years and the iPoo manages things quite well | 22:12 |
| BBNS | lcuk: that's why i said i am not sure 800x480 is a good or bad choice. | 22:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Which is just the longer form of saying "it is dead" | 22:12 |
| lcuk | its a good choice, but with this sort of rendering if there was a way to configure the candy level to make it usable it might be good | 22:13 |
| lcuk | [ ] enable shadows | 22:13 |
| lcuk | [ ] enable AA | 22:13 |
| lcuk | etc | 22:13 |
| RST38h | [ ] Disable Tracker | 22:13 |
| RST38h | ;) | 22:13 |
| BBNS | lcuk: 800x480 res pretty much juice out the SGX. =P | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | tracker doesnt stop those sorts of things normally | 22:14 |
| RST38h | ah, ok, isohunt works | 22:14 |
| RST38h | tracker has a tendency to make the system unresponsive | 22:14 |
| lcuk | BBNS, yeah i know that im just thinking of optimizations still | 22:14 |
| RST38h | the funny part is, it does not even go to the top of htop list | 22:14 |
| lcuk | ive only noticed after unplugging usb after copying lots of media | 22:15 |
| RST38h | looks like it is simply tying the disk access | 22:15 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: One video is enough | 22:15 |
| lcuk | and thats been noted as cured | 22:15 |
| RST38h | really? by whom? =) | 22:15 |
| lcuk | in the bug report i left on bugs.maemo.org | 22:15 |
| lcuk | lemme just see | 22:15 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6108 | 22:16 |
| povbot | Bug 6108: tracker takes cpu and time when scanning media | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | scanning files should obviously be a O(1) operation.. | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:17 |
| RST38h | yyyyeaaaah | 22:17 |
| RST38h | Sts: where O stands for an anus. | 22:17 |
| lcuk | the flux capacitor demuxing component has been frobulated and is now humming along at maximum synergy to capitalize on the harmonious cycles of the scaled resonance frequency of dark energy | 22:17 |
| TomaszD | to anyone who had mininova in their bookmarks, I suggest you replace them with e.g. btjunkie | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | +spelling | 22:18 |
| TomaszD | that is all | 22:18 |
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| TomaszD | *replac it | 22:18 |
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| TomaszD | duh.. | 22:18 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: who knows what Urho means by this... | 22:19 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Scratch the S60E5 support and tell 'em all to sell their N97s and buy N900s =) | 22:20 |
| lcuk | i dont know, but if the bug report says its gonna be cured i have to act like a user and hope it will be. it takes long enough to copy media over to device anyway at the moment ill check next time i need it | 22:20 |
| RST38h | qwerty: We've got 5800 in the family, so can't do that =) | 22:20 |
| RST38h | FreeBSD 8.0 is out. Nice =) | 22:21 |
| * RST38h wonders if Maemo SDK+ will run on FreeBSD | 22:21 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: probably too dependant on binfmt-misc | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | oh, sdk+ | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | -maybe-? | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:23 |
| AakashPatel | try it lol | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: I'd start by upping the dose of crack you must already be smoking for using SDK+ | 22:23 |
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| erik_ | kalikiana: I think I finally found the problem | 22:25 |
| RST38h | Sts: FBSD 8.0 release notes say it supports Redhat 10 binaries | 22:25 |
| erik_ | It seems I stupidly use a ARM7 compiler | 22:25 |
| RST38h | Sts: Not sure if this will help though | 22:25 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Would rather use SDK+ than stay sandboxed in SDK | 22:26 |
| kalikiana | erik_, so what went wrong? | 22:26 |
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| erik_ | I tested the use of gpointer in another program. And I got illegal instruction error | 22:27 |
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| erik_ | so I checked the compiler and it is for ARM7 where the n810 has arm6 compatibility | 22:27 |
| erik_ | so I think most instruction work ok, but there is something in the use of g_timeout that make it crash | 22:28 |
| erik_ | gonna try another compiler | 22:28 |
| mece | Thanks for the helps Jebbajeb and mgedmin. I can confirm that ssh:ing to the N900 over 3g works very well. | 22:29 |
| mece | I'm off. Tata. | 22:29 |
| *** qwerty12_N900 changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | http://maemo.nokia.com | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo-Barcelona Long Weekend - Registrations open - http://tinyurl.com/ydv6p62 | Scratchbox + Xephyr is not an emulator, don't expect a terminal or browser" | 22:29 | |
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| mgedmin | mece, what was the problem? lack of ~ | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | oh darn | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | now I'll have to read scrollback myself | 22:29 |
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| hexa | mgedmin, some carrier nat the n900 ip... | 22:30 |
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| Bryanhart | hello | 22:30 |
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| edgar2 | mgedmin: there really was no problem, it just took some time before a new user + psw was created | 22:34 |
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| mgedmin | interesting | 22:35 |
| edgar2 | no carrier nat issue here at least | 22:35 |
| edgar2 | = finland, with saunalahti (elisa) as the carrier | 22:35 |
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| Macer | jericho is actually pretty good | 22:39 |
| Macer | at least the first season is | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah but it ends rather rudely | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:40 |
| Macer | cancelled or something? | 22:41 |
| Macer | with no explaining what happened? :) | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | cancelled | 22:41 |
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| Macer | do they at least explain what happened? | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | meh, watch it to the end | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:42 |
| Macer | hahaha... thanks Stskeeps .. nothing beats disappointment :) | 22:43 |
| Macer | speaking of which. how is mer going? :) | 22:44 |
| Macer | ooooooooo | 22:44 |
| erik_ | kalikiana: I checked with the right compiler on my test program and it works. Thanks for the help | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: waiting on OBS to unfuck itself atm | 22:44 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: i doubt it will | 22:45 |
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| Quibus | Hi, is anyone here responsible for the emulators on Maemo? | 22:45 |
| Macer | especially when everybody starts sucking up the n900s heh | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: naah. you are misunderstanding the role of Mer in the bigger picture :) | 22:46 |
| Macer | haha. well right now i'm doing a hw controller raid check | 22:46 |
| Macer | because i think one of my drives died | 22:46 |
| Quibus | my point is: for the MSX emulation, a non-free emulator is used (fMSX), but there's a very good free alternative, openMSX, which is actually a lot better than fMSX. And GPL'd. | 22:46 |
| Macer | which really sucks because it did it the day i was going to move my vbox disks somewhere | 22:46 |
| Macer | so i wound up losing 4 servers | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Quibus: So port it, then. | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: there's no "responsible for emulators on maemo" - it's a lot of diff people | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: bait for discussion | 22:47 |
| Quibus | It shouldn't be hard to port, e.g. it's already in Debian and also works on Dingoo, GP2X, etc. | 22:47 |
| Macer | goddamnit Stskeeps now i am going to have to read some spoilers haha | 22:47 |
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| kalikiana | erik_, cool. | 22:48 |
| Quibus | How can I find out who did the fMSX port? | 22:48 |
| TomaszD | Quibus, check the package maintainer field | 22:48 |
| Quibus | getting the de | 22:48 |
| Quibus | b | 22:48 |
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| TomaszD | Quibus, http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmsx/ | 22:49 |
| Quibus | thanks, I'm not very familiar with Maemo :-) | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: for what it's worth, there is space for both free and non-free versions of things in maemo :P | 22:49 |
| Quibus | D'ah, the maintainer is the author of fMSX itself :-) | 22:49 |
| Quibus | Stskeeps: I thought people might prefer free | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: fmsx is gratis | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | on unix | 22:50 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: WTF does this guy want? | 22:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Quibus: meet fMSX author | 22:50 |
| Quibus | Stskeeps: yeah, but openMSX is free, completely and always. And has much more accurate emulation, more features, more stuff emulated, etc. | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:50 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: He wants to port openMSX to Maemo or what? | 22:51 |
| Quibus | oh, hi Marat :-) | 22:51 |
| Quibus | Didn't know you were here | 22:51 |
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| Quibus | I'm not trying to insult your emulator, I was just hoping I could find someone who would be enthusiastic about doing openMSX for Maemo. | 22:52 |
| Quibus | But, unless I do it myself, I guess I can forget about it :P | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: see if it builds in maemo sdk, first step | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:53 |
| RST38h | Quibus": Why? Download Maemo SDK, get free, open openMSX source, port them to Maemo, place the resulting package into Extras-Testing | 22:53 |
| RST38h | Is there any problem with this plan? | 22:53 |
| * qwerty12_N900 has yet to meet anyone with a better knowledge of the tablets' internals. So good luck trying to get it to go any faster than fMSX. | 22:53 | |
| Quibus | RST38h: time? | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: second choice is baiting someone on talk.maemo.org to attempt a port | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:54 |
| RST38h | Quibus: In other words , you are not willing to do it?? | 22:54 |
| Quibus | qwerty12_N900: it might not be faster, but it is definitely more accurate. On general systems, it's already quite on par with fMSX regarding speed, AFAIK. | 22:54 |
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| Quibus | RST38h: I might, let's check out that SDK | 22:54 |
| Quibus | (I won't be able to test, because I don't have the device...) | 22:54 |
| RST38h | Quibus: All righty, you know what to do then | 22:54 |
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| Quibus | RST38h: are you willing to help me and test it? | 22:55 |
| RST38h | Quibus: No. | 22:55 |
| Quibus | RST38h: don't you think I would need someone to do that with me? | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N900 | The real question is, since you're not willing to do it yourself: Where will you find another GPL-fanatic who thinks the same as you regarding an MSX emulator? Most people couldn't care less since fMSX works. (And works extremely well, for the record) | 22:55 |
| RST38h | Quibus: No. | 22:55 |
| Quibus | qwerty12_N900: good point | 22:56 |
| Quibus | RST38h: can you explain? Because I would expect so. | 22:56 |
| RST38h | Yea, porting openMSX to Maemo is a relatively easy task that can be well undertaken by a single person | 22:57 |
| Macer | i just don't understand that nextel radio crap | 22:57 |
| Quibus | ...says an extremely experienced person on this :P | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: if you know how to build a debian package, it is fairly easy | 22:57 |
| RST38h | Do not need experience, it has already been written for you | 22:57 |
| Quibus | RST38h: so, you suggest to port it and then upload it without any testing? | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | unless you do really weird stuff | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:57 |
| kalikiana | We sure need an undertaker if this discussion continues in circles much longer :-P | 22:57 |
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| RST38h | Quibus: Once you have a package, someone will surely test it for you | 22:58 |
| Quibus | Stskeeps: not very familiar with that, but I can ask a DD I know | 22:58 |
| RST38h | Also, you MAY upload to Extras-Devel without testing | 22:58 |
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| Quibus | I'll try the port then | 22:59 |
| aSIMULAtor | http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2009/11/naughty_nokia_boasts_about_nintendo_games_on_n900 | 22:59 |
| Macer | haha | 22:59 |
| Macer | uh oh. here come the lawyers | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah time to get maemo.org to be a legally seperate entity .. | 22:59 |
| * RST38h actually has much better candidates for prting in mind, but anyway | 22:59 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:59 |
| kalikiana | ^^ I tried it. Mario on the N900 keyboard is very, very hard. :-) | 22:59 |
| Macer | all games on phones suck | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: Tried the N810's d-pad? =) | 23:00 |
| Macer | they need to make a phone designed for it | 23:00 |
| aSIMULAtor | i dunno i'm able to play them whilst in the metro | 23:00 |
| johnsq | kalikiana: get a wii mote | 23:00 |
| Macer | wii motes suck too | 23:00 |
| Macer | haha | 23:00 |
| Quibus | RST38h: I happen to be an openMSX developer, so hence my interest. | 23:00 |
| Macer | need to get a ps3 remote to work on the phone :) | 23:00 |
| Macer | n900 have a tv out? | 23:00 |
| kalikiana | johnsq, I have one. I didn't think the emulator might support that | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: yeah | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: wiicontrol | 23:01 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: pretty neat | 23:01 |
| Macer | specialized cable like the n95? | 23:01 |
| johnsq | kalikiana: if the emulator supports joysticks, than it should work. | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: yeah, from headphone | 23:01 |
| kalikiana | qwerty12_N900, thanks, will look for that. | 23:01 |
| Macer | pretty awesome | 23:01 |
| Macer | now if only you can hook a bt joypad to it | 23:01 |
| Macer | you'd be set. worlds smallest game console :) | 23:02 |
| Quibus | It's very cool to see MSX mentioned on all the news sites, by the way - thanks for that, RST38h | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: people have done wiimote.. sec | 23:02 |
| Macer | like i said. wiimote sucks :) | 23:02 |
| Macer | it reminds me of an nes remote | 23:03 |
| Quibus | Should I just get the maemo 4 SDK? | 23:03 |
| Macer | or do you mean with the nunchuck also? | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0wbLaMXeu4 | 23:03 |
| Macer | even then tho it still kind of sucks | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: go for m5 | 23:03 |
| Quibus | it's a beta, no probs? | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | m5 isn't beta | 23:03 |
| Quibus | Unstable: Beta 2 SDK | 23:03 |
| Quibus | (says the site) | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | get SDK from forum nokia | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't hosted on maemo.org anymore | 23:03 |
| TomaszD | hmm, it requires tcl8.4, and that is not available | 23:03 |
| TomaszD | (openmsx) | 23:03 |
| kalikiana | Macer, it wouldn't suck with a nunchuck, just disappoint because it won't feel particularly authentic | 23:04 |
| Quibus | 8.5 also works | 23:04 |
| Quibus | Or is no Tcl available? | 23:04 |
| TomaszD | no tcl is available | 23:04 |
| Quibus | darn | 23:04 |
| Quibus | TomaszD: thanks for finding that out... | 23:04 |
| TomaszD | apt-cache search reveals zero hits | 23:04 |
| RST38h | What do you need Tcl for? | 23:04 |
| Quibus | RST38h: the emulator is fully scriptable | 23:04 |
| TomaszD | or maybe my scratchbox is badly setup, I don't know, I just let the wizard run | 23:04 |
| * RST38h sighs. Well, at least it is not Java... | 23:04 | |
| TomaszD | wait, there is tcl8.5 in extras-devel Quibus | 23:05 |
| Quibus | it's pretty cool what you can do with those scripts, especially if you can access the MSX fully from them | 23:05 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 23:06 | |
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| Quibus | TomaszD: oh, good news :-) | 23:06 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: and then there were none | 23:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lovely, seems multiple people have NSU issues | 23:07 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: Navifirm & flasher-3.5 =) | 23:07 |
| Quibus | heheh, a typo in the m5 rel notes file :-) | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: tablets-dev.nokia.com & flasher-3.5 works too | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:07 |
| Quibus | Meamo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_1_en.txt | 23:07 |
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| erik_ | Is there any plan to upgrade the N810 to the new qt based environment ? | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: But this is for the full NSU experience! Feel the thrill of getting firmware from the NSU server! :p | 23:08 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 23:09 |
| TomaszD | erik_, ...how can I say this... No. | 23:09 |
| johnsq | erik_: but if you need qt you can use it. | 23:09 |
| Quibus | Which SDK version download do you recommend? I'd prefer to just unpack a tree somewhere and go | 23:09 |
| TomaszD | but we're working on a community port of Fremantle (Maemo 5), which is called Mer, join us at #mer erik_ | 23:10 |
| andre__ | Quibus, the latest. | 23:10 |
| Quibus | I mean, which download? E.g. there's a GUI installer, but also others | 23:10 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: What are your favourite Spectrum, Colecovision, NES, Game Gear games? (If I'm gonna upvote, may as well do it legitimately...) | 23:11 |
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| VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, I tried colem with "Chuck Norris super kicks" :P | 23:13 |
| Quibus | hmm, this installer requires root privileges... is there a way around that? (I don't like software I don't know to mess with my system...) | 23:13 |
| PaulFertser | May i ask about Mer? If some soft is nice (e.g. some like hildon-desktop and its applets or something like that) why does it require a separate distro? Why not just fully integrate with mainline debian or ubuntu, providing packages for its repositories? | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: Haha, awesome :p | 23:14 |
| TomaszD | PaulFertser, simply because the underlying technology is not that easy to integrate, e.g. we're still using the 2.6.21 kernel for the N810 | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | Quibus: SDK needs root. sorry. | 23:14 |
| lcuk | Quibus, dont most installers need root perms? | 23:14 |
| Quibus | lcuk: who uses installers? | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: the hard technical reason is Maemo GTK+. the soft reason is that we have to cut out parts of desktop distributions to make them suitable for usage on mobile environments. | 23:15 |
| TomaszD | PaulFertser, this discussion is better suited for #mer | 23:15 |
| kalikiana | hm... half the keys from the wii mote randomly switch windows, but it's a start | 23:15 |
| lcuk | Quibus, ok then, doesnt apt in general need something more than user | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: so we pin on top of ubuntu and replace/break some things. | 23:15 |
| PaulFertser | TomaszD: how can kernel affect desktop environment?.. | 23:15 |
| Quibus | lcuk: of course it does, but then my packages are from trusted Debian repositories ;-) | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Quibus: Grab VirtualBox and use the VMware image, or something | 23:16 |
| kalikiana | johnsq, any advise on how to make wii buttons work in the emulator? | 23:16 |
| lcuk | Quibus, this software on your nokia device running maemo is from a trusted maemo repository | 23:16 |
| kalikiana | movement works, but nothing else | 23:16 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: oh, so you mean nokia forked gtk and never merged back? That sounds unfun and probably somewhat wrong... | 23:16 |
| lcuk | go install debian native if you like | 23:16 |
| Quibus | qwerty12_N900: could do that... lots of work though. | 23:16 |
| Quibus | lcuk: I don't have a Nokia device | 23:16 |
| erik_ | kalikiana: are you using a wiimote on a maemo device ? | 23:16 |
| johnsq | kalikiana: you should configure key mapping. | 23:16 |
| PaulFertser | But that's exactly i'd expect given their "opensource" customs. | 23:16 |
| kalikiana | erik_, yep | 23:16 |
| TomaszD | PaulFertser, Maemo GTK+ ... and it doesn't make sense to run the full distro on a tablet device | 23:16 |
| Quibus | I'm already running Debian on my PC | 23:16 |
| erik_ | kalikiana: you are crazy :) | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: they tried to merge with normal GTK+ but a lot of the patches got shut down | 23:17 |
| kalikiana | johnsq, it only offers keyboard input | 23:17 |
| PaulFertser | TomaszD: i enjoy running Debian on my freerunner :P | 23:17 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: with a good enough reason? | 23:17 |
| TomaszD | PaulFertser, you can imagine how most other people would absolutely hate that. | 23:17 |
| kalikiana | erik_, The one uploading the package is at fault I practically have to. :-P | 23:18 |
| PaulFertser | TomaszD: i see no real difference between maemo and other debian-based/like distros. | 23:18 |
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| PaulFertser | TomaszD: also, given huge repository running mainline distro looks a reasonable thing to do. | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: we get mainline distro benefits in mer :P | 23:19 |
| TomaszD | PaulFertser, you underestimate what needs to be done for this to work reasonably well, not just for nerds who enjoy the occasional command line work | 23:19 |
| TomaszD | and more than 10 minutes of battery life too | 23:19 |
| TomaszD | anyway, bbl | 23:19 |
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| kalikiana | johnsq, nevermind, it does work via keyboard settings, somehow | 23:20 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i know but i'd rather like to see good apps given back to the mainline, not the other way. | 23:20 |
| aacd | hi | 23:20 |
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| aacd | just wanted to ask why the trolls aren't banned from maemotalk | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: i would wish that too. but maemo gtk+ would never appear in typical debian and hence most hildon apps will break | 23:21 |
| lcuk | PaulFertser, but mainline has tohusands of hot cool apps already | 23:21 |
| lcuk | why would it need moar | 23:21 |
| lcuk | thats just greedy | 23:21 |
| aacd | who is mod in the forums? | 23:21 |
| lcuk | whats maemotalk? | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | aacd: report people using the dedicated button and people in white coats will drag them away | 23:21 |
| aacd | forum on maemo.org | 23:21 |
| johnsq | kalikiana: can you configure the emulator to use the keys, or use better wii driver | 23:21 |
| lcuk | ahh i thought it was an outside repo | 23:21 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: Why were the patches not merged? Was it the stubborness of gtk+ devs or rather inadeqate expectations of nokia devs? | 23:22 |
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| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: i don't recall specifics. | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | was before my time in maemo community. | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | either way, it's bound to improve with qt. | 23:22 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: what about the current plan with qt? | 23:22 |
| kalikiana | johnsq, I had tried the different modes from the wii app before. but it seemed to randomly map keys in no helpful way | 23:23 |
| kalikiana | now it works amazingly good | 23:23 |
| kalikiana | just have to adjust slightly to the exact feeling of the timing | 23:23 |
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| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: well guess who owns qt.. | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:23 |
| aacd | i don't get it why people creating threads like "N900 - Yes, it sucks." aren't banned. it's only about prvoking others | 23:23 |
| mikedg | maemo arrigoto | 23:23 |
| kalikiana | next time on the train I'll carry a wiimote | 23:24 |
| mikedg | can i code on mameo? | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | mikedg: of course | 23:24 |
| erik_ | mmm./ I'd like to read the f-ing manual. But what to do when it is empty as in http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libhildondesktop-2.0.18/libhildondesktop-libhildondesktop.html#HD-DEFINE-TYPE-MODULE-EXTENDED:CAPS ? | 23:24 |
| kalikiana | mikedg, python works well | 23:24 |
| kalikiana | or if you're up for it, even compiling | 23:24 |
| mikedg | could i run eclipse? | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | aacd: it's a community.. if you start censorship of negative statements, it won't work well | 23:24 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: what can prevent nokia from forking their qt and making it incompatible with what is needed by mainline distros, providing a "heavily tuned, special benefits" version for maemo? | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: I get looks on the train when I'm just reading a PDF on the N900... | 23:25 |
| kalikiana | mikedg, I'd suggest pygtkeditor, no idea about eclipse | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: hard lesson learned with gtk+? | 23:25 |
| aacd | Stskeeps: no these guys are just provoking. itÄs not about critic | 23:25 |
| PaulFertser | Oh really? :) | 23:25 |
| lcuk | aacd censorship == worse than most other things | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | aacd: then don't feed them | 23:25 |
| kalikiana | qwerty12_N900, heh. maybe I'll get to meet some new friends that way :-D | 23:25 |
| aacd | i don't but others do | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | aacd: best way to regulate it is to report the people who consistently do it. but people should have the ability to say constructively that the n900 sucks.. :P | 23:26 |
| johnsq | kalikiana: female! | 23:26 |
| aacd | for example this thread "Bounce On Nokia N900... Lagfest": | 23:26 |
| aacd | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35157 | 23:26 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N900, people arent looking at the n900 all funny | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | aacd: you have to consider that if we turn our eye to bad impressions, we won't get a better product | 23:27 |
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| aacd | no problem with critic. but the way those people do it. | 23:28 |
| kalikiana | johnsq, no doubt the girls will say "you've got a big remote there" | 23:28 |
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| suihkulokki | instead of outright censoring, we could just copy stupid posts to a "backyard" forum | 23:28 |
| aacd | for wxample | 23:28 |
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| Stskeeps | aacd: agreed - and it's not something that's easy to deal with | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N900 | That is cleaned once a day? =) | 23:28 |
| lcuk | slashdot doesnt censor, it just moderates posts below human readable threshhold by default | 23:28 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i still can imagine nokia forking a whole distro just to have a tighter control over it ("we got business reasons, you know; deadlines; responsibility; it's just how it works") and messing everything up again in almost the same way (like making the system incompatible by missing glibc bump due to "manpower issues" or something like that). | 23:29 |
| RST38h | Oh, not another OSS argument... | 23:29 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: it's not about OSS! It's about being able to use upstream repos. | 23:30 |
| PaulFertser | Quite the difference! | 23:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is not like the stuff that gets high votes on Slashdot is particularly readable | 23:30 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:30 |
| lcuk | first post! | 23:30 |
| Ceron^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTGsM9pplUs aziz light | 23:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Insightful! | 23:30 |
| lcuk | :( | 23:30 |
| PaulFertser | You FreeBSD guys are strange :| | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: i'm not here to defend nokia :P i pretty much went balistic over some issues in the start as well | 23:31 |
| RST38h | Have you ever considered that Nokia might have forked Debian because it wanted tgighter integration with the hardware? | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed | 23:32 |
| RST38h | And that may be the actual technical reason why you can't use upstream repos? | 23:32 |
| kalikiana | qwerty12_N900, does the builder not use packages uploaded for testing? | 23:32 |
| Quibus | Is there a friendly relationship between Debian and Maemo.org? | 23:33 |
| kalikiana | it seems to fail because it doesn't find what it just built before | 23:33 |
| kalikiana | ie. libsoup | 23:33 |
| PaulFertser | RST38h: tighter integration with hardware is myth. Somehow debian manages to run on millions of different machines with different architectures, i can't beleive n8x0 is anything special. | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: It's been rather slow, recently, at importing the packages | 23:33 |
| RST38h | Power saving? | 23:33 |
| RST38h | DSP-based audio? | 23:33 |
| kalikiana | qwerty12_N900, so I should just wait and try again? | 23:33 |
| lcuk | kalikiana, if you just built a lib with autobuilder, you must wait about 30mins before pushing sometihng that uses new version of that lib | 23:33 |
| lcuk | its a pita | 23:33 |
| andre__ | I upstream a bug report from time to time to Debian. Like... every two months for issues where Debian is really teh upstream :-P | 23:33 |
| lcuk | and something i believe is being/might have been fixed | 23:33 |
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| PaulFertser | RST38h: nothing special. Implement what you need in kernel and push upstream. Implement what you need in the userspace and push upstream. | 23:34 |
| lcuk | "push upstream" | 23:34 |
| kalikiana | lcuk, ah, ok. I had seen "done" and assumed it would be used for the next build | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N900 | kalikiana: Yep. :\ | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: there are reasons why maemo is the way it is which you realize after trying to gain same degree of power saving that tablets have. | 23:34 |
| andre__ | PaulFertser, that's what Nokia does, for the kernel. | 23:34 |
| lcuk | upstream then sit on patch for 4 months | 23:34 |
| erik_ | Has someone ever written a homeplugin for hildon ? | 23:34 |
| lcuk | yes erik | 23:34 |
| kalikiana | erik_, there are a few in Extras, thus Yes | 23:34 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: pushing upstream? I'm not sure i've seen any activity on LAKML lately. | 23:34 |
| erik_ | I cannot manage to have a function being called whe the plugin is unloaded | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: i speak quite a bit of it in my first talk at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29258 (videos+slides), .. after that, we can discuss :P | 23:35 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: upstream reacts in a good way to good well-thought not-breaking anything patches. | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | PaulFertser, funny that, I have, and I don't even look :) | 23:35 |
| kalikiana | erik_, you can lookup the sources for any plugins in extras | 23:35 |
| lcuk | PaulFertser, depends exactly which upstream | 23:35 |
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| andre__ | PaulFertser, LAKML sounds like a disease to me. what does the A stand for? | 23:35 |
| maxppc | thanks for who helped me I got my N900 working again, had to reflash it | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: nokia is contributing a lot to linux-omap :P | 23:35 |
| maxppc | strange things kept most of settings | 23:35 |
| PaulFertser | andre__: linux arm kernel ML | 23:35 |
| lcuk | yeah the kernel might be monitored and stuff | 23:35 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i know, they do now. | 23:36 |
| lcuk | but other libraries may not get the same amount of care | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N900 | erik_: Do what kalikiana said and, in particular, look for the "dispose" stuff inside a plugin | 23:36 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: (power saving) any platform will benefit from less wakes etc. I can't see why it shouldn't be upstream. | 23:36 |
| PaulFertser | I'll watch the video now. | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | sorry for horrible recording :P | 23:37 |
| erik_ | kalikiana and qwerty12_N900 : thank you I am having a look | 23:37 |
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| ShadowJK | heh, it goes beyond less wakes :) | 23:37 |
| mikedg | maemo is antiamerican | 23:37 |
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| mikedg | tjeres too much activity here today | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | mikedg: are you drunk? | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | mikedg: there's this thing called timezones | 23:38 |
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| ali1234 | i don't see the big deal about upstream repos. you can use them if you stick it all in a chroot - you can never just add in random repos and expect the binaries to work. you can't do it between ubuntu and debian, why would it work on maemo? | 23:38 |
| PaulFertser | blip.tv doesn't seem to work with emacs-w3m... | 23:38 |
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| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: it's ogv. | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:38 |
| PaulFertser | ali1234: oh thanks, no chroot please, that's not what called integration. | 23:38 |
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| PaulFertser | ali1234: using a mainline distro directly is a huge benefit in my opinion... | 23:39 |
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| ali1234 | so you just want to have debian installed? then... install it? | 23:39 |
| lcuk | maemo is a mainline distro :D | 23:39 |
| andre__ | not if you want to sell a product, actually. | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, you need to freeze on a base | 23:39 |
| ali1234 | well, sharp are selling the netwalker with ubuntu installed... | 23:39 |
| kalikiana | PaulFertser, you still won't "magically" have integration even without chroot | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | but that's neither here nor there | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | you can't just magically meld together two different distros :) | 23:40 |
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| kalikiana | if you want integration, build a package | 23:40 |
| kalikiana | anything else is moot | 23:40 |
| mikhas | lol, do you still fall for this "why doesnt maemo use debian?" trolling? | 23:41 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: (ogv) yes but the site requires either JS or looking at the HTML source to download. | 23:41 |
| lcuk | i pulled in a lib direct from debian | 23:41 |
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| mikhas | it was old when it first appeared on some blog comments in august | 23:42 |
| Quibus | TomaszD: did you check the other deps as well? | 23:42 |
| jebbajeb | Stskeeps: what is the "status" of nokia/intel's free/open GSM stack (ophone?). Is mer going to use that anytime soon or is it still way too alpha? | 23:42 |
| PaulFertser | kalikiana: exactly what i say. Maemo shouldn't be a separate distro, nokia should "just have built a package". | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | PaulFertser: and spend most of their days arguing on debian-legal? | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:42 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: nokia deserved it :P | 23:43 |
| lcuk | is ubuntu in the same boat as maemo then? | 23:43 |
| lcuk | almost debian but not quite | 23:43 |
| kalikiana | PaulFertser, what I mean is, you can't use the exact same package if you want integration with osso, hildon, and everything else | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | jebbajeb: someone is playing with ofono on Mer/HTC | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | jebbajeb: afaik ophone did not release any code yet... | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: tmzt? | 23:43 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: imho ubuntu is doing shit, proposing mostly useless solutions to mostly non-existent problems, messing a good system up. | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: he was at some point\ | 23:44 |
| lcuk | but it works | 23:44 |
| PaulFertser | kalikiana: given proper architecture, you can | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | PaulFertser: ok now you *are* trolling :P | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: .. i think | 23:44 |
| mikhas | and provding a better desktop experience for millions than debian coudl ever do | 23:44 |
| mikhas | you always only tell half of the story | 23:44 |
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| jebbajeb | ali1234: http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/ofono.git;a=summary looks like some code there | 23:44 |
| kalikiana | PaulFertser, how? build packages for debian with hildon? that makes no sense | 23:44 |
| PaulFertser | kalikiana: if maemo gtk+ fork was mainline it would probably did. | 23:44 |
| lcuk | what is debian code based on? | 23:45 |
| Quibus | To be honest, I don't see much of a diff between Debian and Ubuntu if you just use the system. And they have a good relationship, all stuff is put back in Debian (if they accept it) | 23:45 |
| lcuk | or is debian the root of everything | 23:45 |
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| Quibus | but never mind, I'm getting off topic here right away :-) | 23:45 |
| mikhas | center of the universe, according to some | 23:45 |
| kalikiana | PaulFertser, so development in/ for maemo would be impossible. great idea. it was a good time. :-) | 23:45 |
| lcuk | but what existed before debian | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: debian is "a" root of everything. the other roots are slackware and red hat | 23:45 |
| cleary | lcuk: debian is one of the top tier ditros | 23:45 |
| cleary | *distros | 23:45 |
| mikhas | nothing, debian came with the big bang | 23:45 |
| PaulFertser | Quibus: i tried using ubuntu and face many little obstacles but they add up. Also their target goals look strange to me. | 23:45 |
| lcuk | i know that | 23:45 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, gnu/linux | 23:45 |
| * Stskeeps gets his popcorn | 23:46 | |
| lcuk | but did it start on day 1 | 23:46 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3370/2500/1600/GNULinuxupdatedw4.0.jpg | 23:46 |
| cleary | ^ as ali1234 said, | 23:46 |
| * lardman munches HobNobs | 23:46 | |
| cleary | lcuk: I think slackware is the oldest | 23:46 |
| PaulFertser | kalikiana: development for mainline gtk is possible, if maemo was mainline, development for maemo would be possible too. | 23:46 |
| mikhas | debian is older than the universe, the stable package versions prove it =p | 23:46 |
| * lcuk grabs a hobnob | 23:46 | |
| PaulFertser | kalikiana: what's the difference? | 23:46 |
| cleary | no distro started on day 1 | 23:46 |
| Quibus | Debian is not based on anything, AFAIK. Just figured out what would be a good way to go for a sw distro | 23:46 |
| lcuk | in the beginning there was linus | 23:46 |
| cleary | day 1 was a kernel | 23:46 |
| jebbajeb | lcuk: there is a distribution timeline (various ones) out there that show the whole picture. | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lardman: lol, I happen to be eating Cadbury's chocolate biscuits | 23:46 |
| lcuk | so pingo and his gf got together | 23:47 |
| lcuk | pingu even | 23:47 |
| kalikiana | PaulFertser, 1. release cycles of debian 2. releases of gtk 3. goals of gtk 4. platform changes not useful on other platforms than maemo | 23:47 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N900: :) | 23:47 |
| jebbajeb | lcuk: distro timeline: http://futurist.se/gldt/gldt93.png | 23:47 |
| kalikiana | PaulFertser, it's not only a problem Nokia has, Mer has the same problem, as has any distribution that exists | 23:48 |
| PaulFertser | kalikiana: debian testing/unstable works pretty much always, i wouldn't care lot about releases. | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lardman: How's the D-Bus stuff going? Or packed it in for today? :) | 23:48 |
| lardman | driving me mad | 23:48 |
| lcuk | do slackware and debian share patches? | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | QA'ing system on a moving target = difficult | 23:48 |
| lcuk | or do they just have a fight | 23:48 |
| PaulFertser | kalikiana: (gtk goals) i'm not sure forking it is enough of a proof. | 23:48 |
| lcuk | and cherry pick about who is better than who | 23:48 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: you mean damn near impossible ;) | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lardman: Use your moderator powers to remove the post suggesting it =) | 23:49 |
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| lardman | I think I'll go with mbarcode sending out a general signal whenever it detects a barcode, and allow apps to just start mbarcode up, but not demand that it immediately scans and returns something | 23:49 |
| lardman | lol | 23:49 |
| kalikiana | PaulFertser, then you don't understand what I mean. Nokia can't wait for maintainers of different projects to merge all patches | 23:49 |
| PaulFertser | kalikiana: (custom platform changes) somehow Linux, the kernel, manages to support thousands of different, sometimes very specific (embedded) platforms. All in one codebase. | 23:49 |
| cleary | lcuk: slackware and debian are downstream from other projects | 23:49 |
| PaulFertser | kalikiana: everybody's waiting, but nokia can't, olalal | 23:49 |
| lcuk | lardman, scanning barcodes in mbarcode sends out signal to open mbarcode which detects barcode which sends out signal.. | 23:49 |
| cleary | patches get pushed to those upstream projects | 23:49 |
| kalikiana | PaulFertser, distributions, like debian itself, have lots of patches to the kernel, do you realize that | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | the mainline kernel recently removed cpu frequency scaling support for omap2 :( | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | how is babby formed? | 23:49 |
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| cleary | you don't patch something then notify all distros in the known universe | 23:50 |
| lardman | lcuk: thankfully the app will only be opened once ;) | 23:50 |
| lcuk | phew! | 23:50 |
| * lardman wonders how to send more than one parameter with a signal | 23:50 | |
| kalikiana | PaulFertser, Sorry, but my patience ends. Think about it and maybe you see why it's just not practical | 23:50 |
| PaulFertser | kalikiana: not really lots, mostly they backport stuff for their older kernels. I've almost always run mainline kernel on all distros i used. | 23:50 |
| lcuk | lardman, so if at a later date something in the core camera ui were to start detecting barcodes and sent out this batsignal | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: You have noticed, with apps launched via D-Bus, hildon-desktop will only start it once? :) | 23:50 |
| lcuk | your ui could pop up | 23:50 |
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| lardman | lcuk: should work fine | 23:51 |
| ShadowJK | I hate things that popu | 23:51 |
| ShadowJK | p | 23:51 |
| lardman | except for the overhead of having it turned on all the time | 23:51 |
| mikhas | popcorn pops up =( | 23:51 |
| * lcuk nods | 23:51 | |
| PaulFertser | kalikiana: i've told you that in the beginning. Nokia wants a tighter control to fulfill their business needs. And you seem to be supporting exactly this POV. | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | lardman, im interested only at point of taking a photo | 23:51 |
| lcuk | at the moment im using inotify in liqbase to get same effect | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | sane release practises just state that some degree of forking is always needed. stable, unstable, etc | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | and not have maps die when the upstream distro decides to upgrade the browser, etc ,) | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | ;) | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | you do need patches to your own stuff, backports, etc | 23:52 |
| gavin | I can't for the life of me find a nano that'll work on my n900 | 23:52 |
| gavin | anyone have any suggestions? | 23:52 |
| qwerty12_N900 | ShadowJK: Not sure Nokia Maps would be a big loss... | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | gavin: learn to use vi? | 23:52 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: sure but if you get too much with too low manpower, you're screwed for eternity. Like n8x0 users betrayed by nokia (thich trolling now) ;) | 23:53 |
| lardman | betrayed...? | 23:53 |
| gavin | ali1234: not a particularly appealing option, though it is bubbling towards the top of the list :) | 23:53 |
| kalikiana | PaulFertser, It took me a while to understand why a company like Nokia does this and that. I don't expect you to see the reasoning easily | 23:53 |
| PaulFertser | Sorry, i'm bad at typing | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | my n8x0 works perfectly fine. | 23:53 |
| ali1234 | gavin: it's not that bad when you get used to it, and it is a useful skill to have | 23:53 |
| PaulFertser | Stskeeps: lol, with .21 kernel | 23:53 |
| * ShadowJK still has warranty left on his N810 :) | 23:53 | |
| lcuk | my n810 works great too | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | the issue however is that community hasn't been sufficiently involved in kernel development to help maintain and upgrade the kernels. | 23:54 |
| BabelO | ali1234 you here ? | 23:54 |
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| tank-man | I am also worried my n800 with explode 1 second after midnight on the day n900 is launched :) | 23:54 |
| lardman | PaulFertser: but that's the whole point, my car doens't have a new direct injection engine, but who cares? | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | BabelO: yep :) | 23:54 |
| lcuk | paul, when a new kernel comes out does the old one cease to exist? | 23:54 |
| jebbajeb | it needed a bit of critical mass, ala n900.... I | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | you can't assume a company -or- a open source community will dedicate resources | 23:54 |
| PaulFertser | lardman: the appeal of software updates is that you get new cool things without changing hardware. | 23:54 |
| BabelO | ali1234: N900 too | 23:55 |
| lardman | yes, but entitlement is something different | 23:55 |
| Guest3815 | hi | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | BabelO: yeah, from the summit :) | 23:55 |
| Guest3815 | could anyone help | 23:55 |
| Guest3815 | how to flash | 23:55 |
| Guest3815 | a nokia n900 | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N900 | ~flashing | 23:55 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | Guest3815: you can write all that in one sentence :) | 23:55 |
| PaulFertser | lcuk: when you want to use some new cool features everyone's around using already (ubifs e.g.) or face a bug fixed 3 years ago you'll understand what i mean. | 23:55 |
| lardman | anyone know how to differentiate the items I add to a DBus signal? How would the recipient know which one is which if they are the same types? | 23:55 |
| lcuk | PaulFertser, maybe, but i bought a tool | 23:56 |
| BabelO | ali1234: me N900 and N800 | 23:56 |
| gavin | ali1234: sure, just in more of a "get work done" mood than "learn new thing" - had nano on my n810, trying to transition to using fennec on an n900 now that I have one | 23:56 |
| Guest3815 | i have tried this but | 23:56 |
| lcuk | i have never expected eternity for anything ive bought | 23:56 |
| Guest3815 | it desnt work | 23:56 |
| lardman | PaulFertser: I take you back to the car analogy, and let's think about ABS or traction control perhaps | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | PaulFertser, go join luke and the other guy in the n8x0 kernel mainlining project :) | 23:56 |
| Guest3815 | it desnt fint the usb device | 23:56 |
| lcuk | seatbelts! | 23:56 |
| Guest3815 | and just waiting | 23:56 |
| lcuk | damn younguns got seatbelts | 23:56 |
| w00t | lcuk: :-P | 23:56 |
| lardman | lol | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | Guest3815: windows 64-bit? | 23:56 |
| Guest3815 | window 7 | 23:57 |
| lcuk | Guest3815, try it from direct usb pot, not from a hub | 23:57 |
| lcuk | port | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | Guest3815: got access to a XP machine? | 23:57 |
| lardman | lcuk: never bought a diamond then? ;) | 23:57 |
| PaulFertser | ShadowJK: i'm already busy enough with openmoko stuff... | 23:57 |
| Guest3815 | yeah i have xp as well | 23:57 |
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| lcuk | these new damned cars with doors | 23:57 |
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| lcuk | and electronic ignition | 23:57 |
| lcuk | no lardman | 23:57 |
| lcuk | for my sins | 23:57 |
| lcuk | maybe one day :) | 23:57 |
| Guest3815 | im using the us prt on the back of the pc | 23:58 |
| lardman | no worries, just thinking of an advert about them being for eternity or somesuch | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | Guest3815: try it out on XP | 23:58 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:58 |
| Guest3815 | ok | 23:58 |
| kalikiana | PaulFertser, openmoko? that must be easy these days, since it's just a wiki reader now :-P | 23:58 |
| PaulFertser | ShadowJK: and i'm not a great hacker wishing to fight stupid useless obstacles due to lack of documentation and willingness from nokia side. | 23:58 |
| Guest3815 | ill try it and come back | 23:58 |
| Guest3815 | 10 min | 23:58 |
| Guest3815 | will u be here? | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | It seems pretty depressing though. mculenare (I can't spell his nick) is working on trying to get smartq kernel into new recent kernel, and I've seen 0 replies and 0 actions taken to his patches and requests for comments.. :/ I guess there could've been some offlist *shrug* | 23:58 |
| lcuk | no | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | Guest3815: maye | 23:58 |
| PaulFertser | kalikiana: there're still ~15000 of devices people can use. | 23:58 |
| Davide | hi | 23:58 |
| lcuk | Guest3815, the room closes in 5 | 23:58 |
| Guest3815 | brb# | 23:58 |
| * lardman wonders where all the DBus experts lurk....? | 23:58 | |
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| lcuk | raise an event | 23:59 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lardman: #dbus? =) | 23:59 |
| lardman | lcuk: s/room/bar ? | 23:59 |
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| lcuk | o_O | 23:59 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N900: ah, so such a thing exists | 23:59 |
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| lcuk | exports.dbus.com Help() | 23:59 |
| kalikiana | PaulFertser, maybe I'm feeling too stongly about it, but imho they should not have completely replaced the original concept behind the same name. | 23:59 |
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